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Routard
08-01-07, 04:21
One year to prepare this trip. Until now, I have always done my mongering within business trips; very comfortable, no need to build up any explanation, all expenses except girls are paid by the company. On the other hand, it doesn't allow choosing destination. Well, can't complain with all travelling I have done and even being paid for that.

This time I wanted to choose my destination, and I chose to go on pilgrimage to the Mecca of mongerers: Rio. OK, some of you will claim that the world title of sex destination belongs to Thailand. It might be in terms of quantity of visitors, but to my opinion not in terms of quality. We monger because we love women diversity else we could just choose one and stay at home with. In Thailand, there is not exactly something as diversity in women due to the homogeneous ethnical looks. This is the good thing with FKK, only rich countries can attract women from all over the world. It’s not exactly an issue with countries like Brazil or Cuba as they have an incredible ethnic diversity within their population. Brazil has it all, from blondes to black, Indians, Latinas, mulattas, you name it. Brazil has also incredible clubs, similar to German FKK. For years I try to fin out where is the best brothel in the world, and it is most probably between German FKK, Rio's Termas and Sao Paulo top clubs.

The two main problems when building up a major mongering trip is finding the money and a reason to be away from home for so long. For the latest, it was much easy than I imagined, but I prefer not to tell it on the public board. I had tried to find a frequent flyer ticket to Rio, no better way to get a ticket without any expense on your bank account. Unfortunately, even a year before, the only flight I found to South America was Caracas. Of course, who else would want to go to Caracas? I then tried to find on Internet the cheapest way to fly from Caracas to Rio. The only one I found was a flight to Sao Paulo through Bogotá with Avianca.

I know, for most of you, Colombia is a country of violence, kidnapping, narcotraffic and FARC. Not for me. There is something I can't explain between Colombianas and me. And I was ready to go to find it out right on site. While preparing my trip, I found out I was dreaming more about Colombia than about Brazil. Anyway here is the trip, Caracas, Bogotá, Sao Paulo and Rio in two weeks, couldn't be better.

For the money, I had to prepare everything almost a year before. I had opened a secret bank account with a visa card. I had one year to put money on it. Not easy, but I finally found a few stock options I had completely forgotten from my previous job years ago. With the raise of the stock market, I had 10 000$ available. I took only 5000$, leaving the rest for a next mongering trip and may be the stock market will even increase that amount. I took hotel reservations on www.hotel.com, probably the cheapest and easiest way of hotel booking. I had done my homework on ISG and had all the addresses for each city. I tried to learn some Brazilian before leaving as well as some Latin dancing lessons and watched south American channels on TV. I jogged a lot to be as fit as possible as I knew I would ask a lot to my body. Hey, mongering needs a lot of efforts!

I bought a marvellous tool, the latest Glofiish X500, an all in one tool, PDA with Excel, Word Internet Explorer and so on, WIFI connection, cell phone, radio, Mpg reader, photo and video camera and last but not least a build in GPS. All the info I needed for my trip was in that device, a real James Bond tool. I could work for CIA with all the experience I have build up while mongering.

I then tried to find available mapping for South America. Only Route 66 and Destinator had a map for the Rio Sao Paulo region, but nothing for Colombia or Venezuela. At last I found an incredible software on Internet, www.smart2go.com. They provide for free worldwide mapping running on Windows mobile. Only vocal guiding is provided at a special fee, but I didn't really needed it. I entered all my addresses as POI in my GPS.

Regarding my luggage, I had everything in one bag on the exact dimensions to be allowed in cabin. I had some cash money hidden in the internal zip of my belt in case of, a wallet with photocopy of passport and local money, electronic tickets, and my passport and credit card in safety box of hotel as soon as I arrived. I had scanned my passport and all other info and had put it in my Internet mailbox in case I lost everything.

Of course I was exited to go, but still I was for the first time ever worried to travel. During business trips, I surface from time to time, but this time I'll be Routard for two complete weeks, with no one except you knowing where I really am. Will I be able to surface again? As I felt guilty, I contracted a life insurance before to leave.

Next in the Caracas thread:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=626834&postcount=703

Routard
08-01-07, 04:40
coming from the bogota thread:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=626839&postcount=1004

i want to thank bubba boy for his great guide that was for me my major source of information. it’s my first destination where i don’t need to make a detailed faq useful for other mongerers, as everything has been said already. i want to thank also my friend euro who convinced me to go to rio and compare the brazilian termas with the german fkk.

my flight had arrived at sao paulo international airport guarulhos in the early morning. i took the next flight to rio that i bought right at the airport for 320r, took a cab at airport arrival to my hotel and here i was on copacabana beach, the mecca of mongerers. i did it! first impressions where far from the usual rio picture as the weather is shit in july. the beach was deserted, no hot rio babes sunbathing in strings. i hadn't taken breakfast yet, and entered one of the numerous lanchonete to take a mistou quenche and cafezinho. i had three days and nights to check out all the mongering hot spots, so i checked out what could open at first.

termas aeroporto 216 c beira mar metro cinelandia www.termasaeroporto.com.br open from monday till friday from 12h00 till 0h00. pricing is 50r for entrance, 50r for room and 100r for the girl for 40min. the suite is 200r for an hour including the girl. this terma is conveniently located at walking distance from rio's downtown airport santos dumont.

i arrived at opening time as a horny bastard that can't wait longer. sure, i was already for 2 days in south america and still hadn't popped yet. i was in a complete confident environment, as everything goes right as in german fkk. at entrance the girl asks if it is the first time to give the useful information, especially pricing. she asks for name, you can give anything if you don't feel comfortable with it, no one will check. she then hands over the key and number on arm band. everything is paid when leaving and payment can be done with credit card. lockers room is on the same floor, i undressed, put on the bathrobe and sandals, then went for a first shower. the club has two areas, the main meeting room is the bar upstairs. drinks are additional but at a normal rate even for the girls, just show your number to have the drinks charged on your account. on the main floor is the sauna with showers, but also a relaxing zone. lot of girls prefer to stay here too. i was surprised about the line-up, about 20 girls at 12am. surprisingly, they look like the average fkk girls too, between 20 and 30 years old, 7 and 8 rated, with enough diversity, most blondes and brunettes with an occasional darker skinned girl. yes, this was the main surprise for me during my rio trip, most girls in termas are white skinned. as this club is in the business district, most customers are brazilian businessmen. the atmosphere is also upscale, girls are in nice lingerie outfits and in the afternoon there is a musician in the bar playing bosa nova and other soft music. girls are not pushy, from time to time one of them tries to initiate conversation but this does not commit you as long as you don't start to kiss her.

most girls speak only portuguese, but then one of them approached me in english with an american accent. she introduced herself, carol and explained that she had lived in usa for a while. she was 24, a nice looking brunette with green eyes. but what intrigued me most was that she definitely was much more educated than the usual girls you meet in such places. she indeed explained me she was a student and would be graduated as a doctor within 2 years. i usually don't take the typical student story doing it share time to pay her studies, but this time there was no doubt about it. i could come up with any subject, she had a great overall knowledge. i was fascinated by her, she had travelled a lot and was definitely too smart for this job. she told me that she had just started a couple of weeks ago. did i take this bullshit again? yes i took it 100%, as during the session her lack of experience was obvious. she explained me everything in detail how things work for the girls. there are two shifts and all girls need to respect time else they are fined. they are not allowed to take a day off that is not the one from the schedule, unless they are ill. but then again, only the club doctor can give them the day off. all girls are inspected daily by this doctor before starting to work. she also explained me what girls have to pay and what girls earn, but i don't remember exactly. basically they pay entrance fee like other customers, club get room fee and girls get girls fee from the customers, but only next day. girls have lunch offered by club but have only 10 minutes and on shifts too.

when we agreed to go to the room, she asked me to wait for her to prepare herself. she came back to pick me up again, but this time she was wearing a nice dress instead as lingerie. yes this is a nice thing in terma, girls put a special outfit to pick you up and go to the room. the session itself as i said showed all her lack of experience, definitely not a recommendation for great service, but her naive attitude was exactly what turned me on. all kind of signs, she let me put the condom, she didn't know how jacuzzi worked, she was nervous at the beginning of the session and she was not sexually skilled. i love that, as it needs effort but at least you get genuine emotions back. yes at first she kissed only her lips closed, but when she started to feel comfortable she began to kiss real passionately. she had an incredible nice body with perfect white soft skin. the sex turned out to be great at end of session when she became comfortable with me. i could have done stupid things like trying to get her know better and invite her out of the club. but i came to rio to fuck as much girls as possible and visit all the monger hotspots. after the session i took a last drink with her at the bar and left the club as a coward, lying i would come back to see her again.

quatro rua buenos aires 44 www.quatroporquatro.com.br open monday till friday from 14h00 till 0h00. pricing is 30r entrance and 170r for 40 minutes session.

i arrived in the late afternoon, received locker key, put on bathrobe and exited locker's room right instead of left. i didn't really understand the layout of the club as i walked in a long corridor, had stairs to climb and then arrived in an empty bar area. what happens, there is supposed to be hundred girls here? in fact, i went the wrong way, this is the vip bar on the third floor were you can go once you have chosen a girl in order to be in a more relaxed environment.

the layout is someone complicated as it is in a building with several stores, but managed to find easily the real meeting room on the second floor. in the late afternoon there were already probably 60-80 girls in a nightclub atmosphere. frankly, i did not like the atmosphere. it was too dark, noisy and busy. there are few seats available, most people are standing or dancing. i found it difficult to choose in the dark. in fact even with so many girls, there were very few girls that turned me on. the girls here have more the typical help look than a terma look. as i got bored in this terma, i initiated conversation with a few gringos. i was about to go without trying anything but i found at last anyone. sandrina was blonde with blue eyes and looked different from the other girls. i know, it's maybe stupid but in a german fkk, the latinas turn me on and in a brazilian terma, i go straight to the blondes. do i need therapy? anyway, it turned out to be a great session. i left quatro right after, eager to try euro's favorite terma.

terma l'uomo rua siquiera campos 143 first floor www.luomo.com.br open daily from 16h00 till 2h00. entrance is 60r if no girls, 45r if one girl and 25r if two girls. pricing is 60r for the room and 140r for the girl for 40min. i found easily the centro comercial, checked if i saw from outside the neon signs from the club, but didn't see, took the stairs up and went to the street side of the building. i found easily the club and noticed that the neon signs of the club had been hidden. i entered, got my explanation and locker's key, undressed, and entered with my bathrobe the relax zone. half a dozen girls in bikini were desperately waiting for customers, and i was warmly welcomed. i introduced myself to each of the girls, giving each a kiss and took a chair too near the prettiest. i felt instantly at home in this club. the relax zone allows group conversation, a bit like in bernd's. there was only one other customer, a gringo and we all socialised together. the nice looking girl near me was sue ellen. she was a young brunette with a pretty ethnical european type of face. she asked if i wanted to drink. i gave her my key and invited the other girls too to drink. this was very much appreciated by the group and i felt soon belonging to the l'uomo family. remember, drinks here are inexpensive and there is no additional fee for girl's drinks, so think of it as a good investment. sue ellen offered me to have dinner. yes, l'uomo is the only terma offering food for free. sue ellen was great, she took care of me and fed me as if i was a baby. life couldn't be better. girls had a lot of fun, but i had trouble following portuguese jokes. patricia, a dark little spinner was very fun and probably the most sympatic of all. priscilla a mulatta was quieter, but for some reason i stayed all night long was these three girls. sue ellen was however my novia for the night. yes, this is the great thing in termas, especially in l'uomo, girls stick with one customer only for all night. some might think that termas are expensive for a country like brazil, but in fact you pay only for 40min and she stays for the whole night with you. we kissed a lot, sue ellen never tried me to push for a session, i had to initiate it. she asked me to go and take a shower while she would prepare herself. i took my shower and went to have a look in the nightclub area. a dozen girls in the dark with not more than three customers, the ratio is incredible here. i noticed a few girls for my to-do list, so i definitely had to come back here. the bathrooms are fully equipped and offer everything you need including soap, shampoo, perfume, tooth brush and razors.

meanwhile sue ellen came to pick me up dressed in a black japanese style dress. she looked so cute. i followed her in the corridor towards the room. once in the room, we started to kiss and slowly undressed each other till we were both standing naked holding each other in our arms. we then laid on bed without stopping kissing. our bodies were looking for each other moving slowly in a rhythmic motion. i felt she was coming really wet and horny, so we started intercourse. i was impressed how good she was, but it then appeared to me why. she was not working, she was enjoying it too. i tried to understand how i did to pick out once again the one with mutual chemistry. but i guess i had to build up another theory here. from what i have seen, the girl's customer ratio is so high that it is impossible for each girl to have one customer a night. imagine what it is for a brazilian girl having less than once a night sex. this is the first time in a brothel that i felt the girls being more sexually frustrated than the guests. gfe fan, this is your club.

once back in the relax zone, i discussed with an american guy. we were the luckiest guys on earth, fully satisfied and having each of us three girls around us taking care of us. he had a great knowledge of brazil and offered me to go and visit help. why not, is was nearly midnight and i knew i would come back in l'uomo for my last night in rio.

help avenida atlantica entrance 28r before midnight 38r after midnight. this is the easiest club to find, right on avenida atlantica. everyone knows this nightclub, supposed to be the biggest nightclub of south america. before entering, we sat down on terraco atlantica right next door of help. it looks like a regular outdoor bar for tourists as it is right on the copacabana beach front with good lighting. tourists indeed have a drink, sitting on a table, but dozens of garottas are standing at a distance, waiting to be invited. just make eye contact and she comes to join you at your table. i watched around the surrealistic scene, checked the line-up, but thanks, no thanks. you can read all their life in their eyes, and you sure don’t want to know about it. these are all experienced hookers. we took a drink, my buddy left and i entered help. help is indeed a huge disco, nothing special, just huge with an enormous round dance scene in the middle. i counted 100 garottas and just as much guys, but the disco is so big that it looks empty. dare not to imagine if it was really full. my impressions were exactly as in the bar outside. no surprise as these are the same girls. sorry to say, i know there are some real help fans up on the board, but i stayed for an hour, checked each girl, and didn’t find not one i would have brought back to my hotel, even for free. this is definitely not my scene, i’m too quality minded for that.

as i was still in a monger mood, i decided to check for another place, more upscale. there are plenty of american bars on avenida princessa isabel like franks, la cicciolina or café senso. i didn’t want to try them all, so i decided to check out the most famous one.

barbarella’s rua ministro viveiro de castro 24 is the most famous, but also the most expensive. entrance is 60r. it’s basically an upscale strip club without rooms on site, but you can pick up a girl to go back to your hotel. the girls are supposed to be on top level, but i was disappointed about the line-up. there were 30 girls, but few turned me on. i suspected even some of them to be tv. i watched a bit bored the show and a girl came to sit next to me. i could have sent her away, but she didn’t try to push me for drinks, she seemed simply in need for a talk. priscilla had a typical us stripper’s look, little spinner, and athletic body, pretty european type face. i’m pretty sure she was doped or drunk, but she had that fragile attitude that makes me turn on. business was slow. there had even been an article today in the newspaper about barbarella, as the sex industry was disappointed about the panam games effect. same story in germany when stupid journalists had been the only one having seen 40 000 hookers coming from all over the world to attend the world cup. priscilla explained me everything about barbarellas. she spoke english and i had to admit that she had conversation. it was nearly closing time and i was her last chance. she nearly begged me to pick her up, promised to be sweet and not to ask too much. i felt sorry for her and decided to give her a try. she offered 300r for the night, but there was also an exit fee of 60r. of course, this is rio’s most expensive club. i was tired and didn’t want to discuss, so i agreed. we took a taxi in front of the club and went back to my hotel nearby on copacabana. needless to say, at arrival the taxi tried to ripp me off asking me for a huge amount of money. i didn’t start to yell like a stupid gringo, simply answered “onde o metro?”, exited quietly the taxi, handed him 10r and turned my back. this impressed a lot priscilla, and she said this to me. she understood that if hadn’t discussed her own price, it was not because i was a stupid tourist, but because i was a gentleman. she had to sign at the hotel desk with extra charge on my bill, but at least it’s safer for me. once in the room, she took a shower and i took mine too. yes, despite your advices, i did as usual, took my shower leaving her alone in my room and felt absolutely safe with it. i had simply put my wallet in the safety box when she was showering; there was nothing else to steal. priscilla had an incredible body and she was indeed as good as she had promised. barbarella’s girls just simply can’t get more than one customer a day, while i had already had three times sex today, so she enjoyed the sex probably even more than i did. this is the best thing in rio’s scene, the girls don’t fake, they really enjoy. she disappeared in the early morning, before breakfast.

i tried to sleep a bit in the morning, as i had started very strong my first day in rio. i had already visited quatro, l’uomo, help, barbarella’s and fucked four girls. not bad for a first day. at midday, i went to walk on copacabana. it was winter and too cold for most people to go to the beach. i had a look in front of othon palace hotel as well as in front of copacabana palace, but hookers beach was empty.

it was too early to go to the terma, so i decided to have a look at villa mimosa. i grabbed a taxi and went. it’s close to maracana stadium, anyone knows were it is. the taxi driver had fun bringing me to villa mimosa. he explained me everything about it. pricing is as low as 25 or 30r. when we arrived, i invited him to take a drink together in one of the bars. it was in the early morning, villa mimosa was quiet. all bars were open and we walked around. he explained me that in the evening, the place is packed. there were already couples of hookers at work. boy, i had never seen such ugly girls! euro my friend, i dare not believe you have fucked here! well, i confess, i did it once too in such a place, in belem…the visitors are part of the freak show too. i remember one of the isg reports comparing villa mimosa with the bar in star wars. i told this to the driver, and he watched at me, believing about a language misunderstanding. suddenly he pictured the star wars bar and he just kept laughing, showing me each monster from star wars around us, a huge fat one, an ugly tall one, an old witch, a little dwarf…

we went back to copacabana, but it was still too early for the termas, so i decided to check a bar in the area. club 22 rua siquiera capos 22 has a discrete entrance. it’s on the first floor. i paid 20r entrance for 3 drinks. inside is a typical south american bar with pool table and loud music. there were no other visitors, but a couple of girls in bikini or mini skirt were playing pool. there was a nice atmosphere, the girls were not pushy at all, simply nice to me. they invited me to play pool too. none really turned me on, but i spent good social time with them waiting for the nearby terma to open. as far as i know, pricing should be like 80r in a room on site, but i didn’t check it out. the next terma was on the corner.

terma monte carlo rua hilario de gouveia 19 www.termasmontecarlo.com.br. entrance is 60r, pricing is 60r for the room and 140r for the girl, it’s opened everyday from 15h00 till 2h00, closing at 0h00 on saturday and sunday. the entrance is very discrete as it is next door of olinda othon hotel entrance. i entered and bumped into a blonde european girl. she watched me with her incredible beautiful eyes, and i could have felt in love at first sight if i was not as embarrassed to have met her in a terma. i even believed for a few seconds i had entered the wrong address, but she welcomed me, starting to explain the rules. the next surprise was even bigger when she switched to french. what could such a good-looking french girl do in a brazilian terma? she smiled when she noticed my surprise and she explained me she was half french half brazilian. we discussed for a while together, and frankly i had no lust anymore for terma girls. i just had her incredible beautiful eyes in my mind. shit, i meet the woman of my dreams and she knows from the very first moment i’m a mongerer. i had no other choice than continuing and entering the club.

facilities are good looking as for all the copacabana termas. i entered the main meeting room and there were about a dozen girls waiting in bikini without any other guests. they all tried to make eye contact, but i preferred to have a drink and watch the scene before committing myself. i noticed a little spinner that reminded me one of my salsa dance partners. ii approached her and she had indeed the same face and the same smile. keira is a young petite dark haired girl. i felt comfortable with her from the very first moment, it was really as if i was with my salsa partner. after a while, we went to the room. she is very sexy and eager to please, a true recommendation. however, the chemistry between us came after the session when i started to speak about dancing with her. she indeed loved dancing and we compared different dancing styles. here we were both naked, dancing on a terma bed, forgetting where we were and what for we were here. i explained her the different caribbean styles and she showed me the brazilian rhythms, a true cultural exchange. she was real cool, a pity the chemistry came after the sex. when it was time to leave, she begged me to wait for her in the main room after the shower. i took my shower too and we met again in the nightclub. she went to the dj and asked for salsa, but there was no. she then asked for the different brazilian styles. samba, lambada, funkee, forro, she showed me the steps for each dance. at first the other girls had fun of her trying to learn a gringo dancing. but she didn’t care and i learned quickly the steps. i watched our couple dancing in the mirror and it looked great. i noticed also that the girl’s faces had changed too, they were surprised to see us dancing together with such mutual chemistry. in fact, latin dancing has all the same basic principles, it’s not that difficult to master the brazilian steps if you are used to caribbean steps. keira didn’t want to leave me anymore, but i came for mongering and didn’t want to commit myself to anyone during my three days of rio, so i preferred to leave the club.

i met again the french girl at the entrance desk. i felt a bit embarrassed when she asked me if i have had fun and preferred to switch to another subject. she was eager to discuss in french and we stayed together for a while discussing. a nervous young gringo entered and if was obviously his first terma. we had trouble not to laugh, especially when he asked if he could choose the girls. when he left, we watched each other and had a good laugh about it. she then stopped to laugh, looked at me with her incredible blue eyes and asked me: “i hope you will come back”. i was paralyzed. was it the employee who was speaking or the girl? i preferred to escape and went for the most upscale terma of rio.

centaurus, rua canning 44 www.centaurusnet.com.br. between copacabana and ipanena. opens everyday from 16h00 till 0h00. entrance of 330r includes the room and the girl for 40min. i know, this is exactly was pisses off most of you as you need to pay before and are committed when entering to go with a girl. but i guess it’s hard not to find in centaurus any girl. unfortunately, this was also the only terma were i had problem with my credit card, and i needed to pay cash. let’s be honest, pricing policy put apart, this is simply the best terma in rio regarding facilities as well as girls’ line-up. i would not make centaurus as my regular club, but it’s definitely a must do in rio. the quantity o 4x4x and the quality of l’uomo: more than 60 girls in bikini, all pretty. this terma is worth even only to watch the incredible line-up. the nightclub is packed and probably the busiest terma in copacabana, a mix of tourist and upper-class brazilians. here is where ronaldo and maradonna have fun when they are in rio. there is also a more quiet relaxing zone with sauna, showers and restroom to watch tv or read magazines. there are girls everywhere coming up and down with the stairs. i had trouble making up my choice, especially because when i watched a girl, she instantly came to me. i ended up with claudia, a pretty young brunette. she was so sweat, took great care of me, kissed me, ordered me drinks or food and fed me as a baby. why are the girls so different in my hometown? when she offered me to go to the room, i wanted to take the vip room with additional time, we live only once. unfortunately, i had to go back again to the front desk and pay before. yes, this policy is definitely not customer minded, i then preferred to keep with the 40 minutes option. claudia went to prepare herself while i went to take a shower too. i was waiting for her outside the nightclub’s door, and when she appeared on the stairs in her romantic pink dress, it was like a dream. we undressed each other and were eager to explore our bodies. no doubt again, she was having fun as much as i did. amazing rio! i paid my drinks and food and left centaurus for my last terma to visit in copacabana.

termas solarium rua jj seabra 21, www.solarium.com.br near the jardim botanica, on the other side of the lake. it’ belongs to the same owner as monte carlo, same pricing, 60r entrance pricing is 60r for the room and 140r for the girl and same opening times from 15h00 till 2h00 everyday, closing at 0h00 on saturday and sunday. i really liked this terma and stayed here till closing time. facilities are similar to monte carlo, but i preferred the atmosphere up here, maybe because it was already later in the evening. there were only a couple of other brazilian guests, and the girls were pretty cool here. about 20 to 30 girls in bikini, all pretty. i met laetitia, easy to spot. she has a typical german face, young, blonde, blue eyes, very white skin. i had hearing a german type of girl speaking and acting as a brazilian girl. her grandparents are indeed german, but she is born and raised in brazil. i finished having a session with this little spinner. she was indeed very funny in bed and there was an excellent chemistry. unfortunately, her unusual look makes her very popular, and once back in the main room, she was already busy with someone else. she looked at me a bit embarrassed and she sends me her friend to keep me company. her friend was too dark and fat for my taste, but it was the only non-brazilian i had met in rio’s termas. she was from cuba, and i love that country. it was also nice to be able to speak spanish, also she spoke also fluently english. she offered me to go with her for the weekly cuban party in rio, but unfortunately i would already be gone by that time. i sat down and had immediately a little spinner coming next to me. i hate making lose time to girls and preferred to warn upfront that i just came from a session and would not be able to go for a second time before closing. she didn’t care, she just wanted some company as there were few customers and she would not be able to work anymore. i asked her if she was hungry and offered her to eat with me. she was enthusiastic ad ordered french fries. when the french fries arrived, i was soon surrounded by two other girls willing to share our meal. no problem, there is nothing more cool than eating together with three lovely girls. they rewarded me by kissing and caressing, can life be better? yes, it can! it was nearly closing time, and the dj finished with brazilian music. the girls felt off duty and started to have fun all together. one of them was a pretty good dancer and acted as a cheerleader. she put all the girls in a raw and initiated synchronized dancing on the samba rhythm. boy, i will never forget that picture! all the solarium girls in their sexy bikini outfit from the brazilian beach volley team synchronized dancing in the rhythm of the samba. this will be forever my picture of rio, too bad usual tourists can’t see this! the few brazilian guests couldn’t stay very long and invited each of them a girl to dance. i had just had my samba lessons in monte carlo, so i could join the party too. incredible atmosphere! when it finished in a slow bassa nova rhythm, i found myself again with the little spinner. she felt sorry there was no time anymore for a session. she wanted to give me her phone number so i could meet her outside. a few girls noticed this and warned her not to do this. i guess management does not appreciate it and could punish it. she looked sad at me, went to write it down elsewhere and came back to put a piece of paper in the pocket of my bathrobe.

after a good night of sleep, i woke up and organized a few things for the rest of my trip. i had done all the copacabana termas and decided to visit the center and do all the termas there. i decided to go by metro, so most convenient way of traveling in rio. too bad it took me so much time to leave the taxis for the metro. i exited at uruguaiana station and walked towards 65. walking in centro is nice as there is a lot of life.

termas 65 rua de rosario 65. it opens from 14h00 till 0h00 from monday till friday. as most of termas, the layout is pretty surprising as you need to go with the elevator from one place to another. the meeting room is a nightclub as usual. i was surprised about the line up, probably 40 girls in the early afternoon and much better looking than in 44. this is definitely an underrated club. there were soon several girls on my to do list, but one of them approached. christina. was a pretty girl, nice to discuss with. she is from european descent too and has a surprising background. this is what probably surprises me most in the rio scene, several girls are real students with good education doing this job to pay their study. i am used to hear this everywhere, but here i definitely believe it. we took the elevator to go to the room, and i felt sorry for the bellboy in the elevator. christina was kissing me passionately while he just couldn’t do as if nothing was happening. the session turned out to be great, and once again i noticed how much she enjoyed it too. i remember her face of satisfaction when she came, impossible to fake. she looked so happy, her face had literally changed. she wrote me down her phone number and asked me to call her at 22h00 when she was done. only in rio!

she had told me that there was another club right next door, on 67. it’s basically the same club, except that the meeting room is a café for businessmen. guests stay clothed, there are no bathrobes. when i entered to visit the club, i bumped into one of’ christina’s friends. she watched at me, trying to remember where she had seen me, and suddenly remembered i was in 65 just before. i walked out, wondering if i would call christina when i realized i had forgotten her phone number in the bathrobe’s pocket. i tried to find terma cancun, but couldn’t find it, as i had only a spot on a map, not complete directions. i decided to head for the last terma on my list in center.

terma 502 rua da alfadenga 65. i walked up the stairs of this terma, but from my point of view it doesn’t deserve the name of terma. it’s just an average boite with ugly girls. guests remain clothed. i took a drink, but there was definitely no girl that could turn me on here, even for 100r. euro, you fucked here too? what happened, were you on a budget tour?

l'uomo as happy ending

i had done all the major center terms and decided to return to my favorite one to finish my last night in rio. back to l’uomo by metro before dinner, as it’s also the only terma with free buffet. i know, i’m cheap, but i rather prefer to leave the money for the girls. l’uomo is conveniently located next door of metro station siquiera campos. i entered l’uomo, security guy and girl at reception recognized me, i felt at home. most girls recognized me too and said hello, which was nice. sue ellen was warned and arrived soon to meet me. i found myself again with the same group of girls, priscilla and patricia came too. an american entered with a rapper look. he looked like a dick head with his sunglasses and gold chain and tattoos, but he was a cool guy, a marine as far as i have understood. the other girls told me that it was patricia’s novio, but patricia denied. the rapper came especially for patricia and offered her presents. as priscilla stayed with our group, i stayed all the time with the rapper too, but didn’t socialize with him. the guy had only eyes for priscilla and was definitely not into socializing with other guests. the other girls called him loco, but priscilla knew exactly how to handle him. we had dinner together but sue ellen realized i didn’t come exactly for her. yes, i hate to say this, but i’m a bastard, i like to change of girl no matter how good she had been to me before. she was pretty cool about this and said it was ok. she left so i could make up another choice. i was again on the market and for some reason other girls know this quiet fast and approached me again. i stayed for an hour and sue ellen came to me wondering why i was still alone. i said i could not make up my mind as she was the prettiest of all. she answered that she gave me half an hour to choose another one, else she would come back. deal!

i rushed to the main room determined to find anyone and remember that cute little girl that was on my to do list of last time. rebecca is a shy girl sitting all night long alone on the sofa. she is so petite and slim, i would have guessed she was 18, but she told me she was 22. she has an incredible beautiful face, unfortunately too much make-up for my taste. i approached her and she looked cool. she is surprising quiet for a brazilian, but that’s ok to me. i had to take a shower before and she went to prepare herself too. when i as her again in her black dress, she looked so cute. i undressed her in the room and discovered a [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) body. she had nearly no tits with surprising nipples. her pussy was unshaved, she looked like a teenager. she opened herself completely to me, this was one of my best fuck in rio. when i came i knew i would book her again that night. i told her so, but i guess she didn’t believe me.

once out of the room, i bumped into sue ellen. she was waiting for a guest to go for a session but was clearly not into it. i agree, the guy definitely didn’t look good. she seemed to blame herself for having let me escape. she grabbed me, looked at me into my eyes and ordered me to take her for a session after. her customer was not far, but she didn’t care. i’m pretty sure she needed her daily sex and as she was not giving herself to the guy, she needed me. i knew it would be hard to choose between sue ellen and a second time with rebecca. rebecca stayed with me in the sofa, kissing and caressing. we watched the crowd, especially priscilla with her rapper who was again next to me. patricia came from time to time to say hello and get an occasional drink of me. rebecca opened herself and told me about herself. i told her she looked at an old girlfriend of mine. she asked me when this was, and i told her 20 years ago, which made her smile. she seemed pretty comfortable with me, ready to finish the night like that with me. she was surprised when i offered to go with her for a second time. i guess this is unusual in termas, but hey, i’m a fkk guy. she prepared herself for another session while i went to brush my teeth and take a shower. in the room i told her she was my last girl in rio. we made love, there are no words to describe this.

back in the room i had to face again sue ellen. she was mad at me and didn’t want to talk to me anymore. i guess it’s hard for the girls, the ratio is against them. there were about 20 girls and just 5 customers all night long. it’s hard to understand how this can work economically. it was nearly closing time, rebecca said farewell, but i stayed a couple of minutes longer in the main room. most girls left, but a few stayed. there was some nice bossa nova music. one of the girls asked me to invite her for a last dance. we started dancing and i felt her body in contact of mine through the bathrobe. it was pretty sensual, even if i have had already four times sex today. i felt clear mutual chemistry. her friends called her, but she refused to stop the dance. we were just the two of us in l’uomo nightclub enjoying a few moments of happiness. i hadn’t seen her all night long with a customer, these poor girls are sexually frustrated, she simply needed a bit of tenderness from a man. when the dance finished, she smiled at me embarrassed like a teenager and thanked me for those moments spend together. my last moments in rio. when i exited l’uomo, most girls were downstairs waiting for a cab in normal clothing. i love these moments when everybody goes back to his normal life.

conclusion

so, what about the big question, what is the best between german fkk and brazilian termas? hard to give an opinion. regarding facilities, even centaurus can’t top the three frankfurt fkk, but that’s not the most important. regarding girls, quality level is similar in both, but i still would give the advantage to the german fkk as there is more diversity in origin. however, the main difference is atmosphere. it all depends what you are looking for. german fkk are definitely more erotic. most girls are naked in fkk, and coach action if not public sex is not uncommon in most german fkk. in the brazilian termas, i found the guests very prude, hiding themselves to take a shower and wearing sometimes underwear under the bathrobe. i had trouble with the small size of the bathrobes in termas, but the girls instantly helped me to hide if anything was visible from my body. there is much more sex in german fkk, multiple sessions for girls and guests is the rule. on the other side, brazilian termas are much better for gfe. girls in terma are independent and enjoy their job while in german fkk the hordes of eastern european girls are mainly controlled my mafia and pimps. not only most guests have only sex once, but also the girls. the ratio of girls to guest is incredible, most girls don’t even have sex once a day. when they have sex, they really enjoy it. if there is a good chemistry, most girls will give their phone number to meet outside the club, highly uncommon in german fkk. anyway, i had wonderful experience in terma as well as in german fkk, sex is a matter of chemistry between you and the girl, no matter where you are.

next in the sao paulo thread:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=626846&postcount=964

Chris H
08-01-07, 06:48
I was on Sunday after lunch-time sitting at MP when Claudia came up. She is a mulata, approx. 25 years, slimm and tall. One upper front-tooth is miscoloured.

Anyhow - we had been talking and around 2.30 I asked her for an afternoon session; we got to my hotel, I had two pops within 1.30 hour and I paid her 100 R$.

After she started arguing that she was spending time with me at MP and this should be paid also. I kicked her out of the apartment - she even went to the hotel-security complaining about me. I only told the security to call the police. Claudia disapeared after that suddenly. Later I saw here again and she started threatening me - I only told her to fuck off.

I think that is the newest trick the girls try to get some more money out of you


Carlos





You may not have seen, but I reported that a GDP that I met at Balcony Bar a few Sundays ago, wanted some money for sitting with us and having drinks. She wanted to be paid for her time. That's some mess that these weak American chicks be trying to pull.

Chris H
Carlos[/QUOTE]

Mangera
08-01-07, 06:58
It was a quick, informative, and concise report on different locations with your personal adventures. I had fun reading it, so I can just imagine the fun you had experiencing it.

I sense you have the right attitude when waliking into these establishments, that in itself helps create more of a possibility of having great chemistry with uma garota brasilera :)

Euro100
08-01-07, 11:09
I want to thank also my friend Euro who convinced me to go to Rio and compare the Brazilian Termas with the German FKK.

You are welcome :D. Now you know what makes me go back to this city as often as I can.


It was too early to go to the Terma, so I decided to have a look at Villa Mimosa. ... Euro my friend, I dare not believe you have fucked here!

Yes, yes, yes, I did. But it takes a bit of effort to get past the fuglies and find the gems. That's what makes it so interesting! Remember what I said here http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=607717&postcount=3656: "I also would say that the vast majority of the girls is absolutely not doable for my taste. BUT!!! There are treasures to be found here." And, yes, it's damn filthy here, but it gives you a peak into Brazil that you just cannot get at the Copa or at Centro. Of course VM cannot compete with 4*4 or L'uomo in my book, but I am really glad that Christopherd introduced me to VM. It's an experience I will never forget.


Terma 502 Rua da Alfadenga 65. I walked up the stairs of this Terma, but from my point of view it doesn’t deserve the name of Terma. It’s just an average Boite with ugly girls. Guests remain clothed. I took a drink, but there was definitely no girl that could turn me on here, even for 100R. Euro, you fucked here too? What happened, were you on a budget tour?

Again, I warned you that the majority of the girls here would not be "Optikficks" (as the Germans say); see my report from last year: http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=502251.

I am so pleased that you liked L'uomo as much as I did. Last year I was here almost every day for a good week, and it was one of the best mongering experiences in my life. A real home away from home! I wish you would have taken Sue Ellen up on the TLN take-home opportunity. This might have taken you to an altogether different GFE level of experience with a terma girl (I have sent you PMs about my time with "Angelika"). Oh well, there is only so much popping that any man can do in a few short days ;). But I know one thing: you will be back in Rio! Because the termas ARE way better than the German FKKs. Period!

In any case, I loved your report and put it where it belongs, into the RoD thread.

euro

Mr Enternational
08-01-07, 11:52
You may not have seen, but I reported that a GDP that I met at Balcony Bar a few Sundays ago, wanted some money for sitting with us and having drinks. She wanted to be paid for her time. That's some mess that these weak American chicks be trying to pull.

Chick in the club on Rua Augusta in Sao Paulo tried to do me the same way. Told me that I need to pay her R10 if I want her to sit and talk to me. I'm like you dirty broad I'm trying to interview you to see if I want to give you some work. The nerve of some GDPs.

Then once a rookie friend of mine picked up someone at Help. Of course I was busy with a non-pro for the duration so I didn't have time to hold his hand. She stayed with him well into the next day. When we went to the beach, she went to the beach. She even bought a bikini on the beach and changed into it. I said dude, how much is this chick costing you. I'm sure the meter is ticking. He said that he did not know because they didn't discuss money. I told him that he had better wrap it up because he might be up to R300 by now especially with her being an English speaker. He said that she followed him home and he did not tell her to do anything. I mean he had pictures of her and all. We get back to the apartment and he decides to get rid of her. He askes her how much she wants and she says 300. He told her she could go to hell because he was not giving her 300. She said she would settle for 200. Then he got smart. He asked her if she remembered the drinks and the food that her and her friend had that he paid for. He then subtracted that from the 200 and decided to give her 150. She was pissed and she left cursing....but she did leave!

Tungurahua
08-02-07, 09:43
FMH100: Monterray Hotel, for 30R a night, rents you a one-person cot, a wash basin, a table. I am not kidding when I say it is a closet. It resembles the fuckrooms of central's and Vila Mimosa's clubs. A tiny bathroom consisting of toilet and shower is outside the room. For 40R and 50R you can add a tv, larger room, larger bed, bathroom inside the room. The official rules of the hotel say guests are not allowed in the rooms, only in the lobby. This does not bother me as I am not a take-out kinda guy. I fuck on site only. I am still staying in this hotel at two weeks running. It is two blocks from the metro. I do not know if it has a safe or a website address. There are a dozen other cheapies at or around 30-50R a night in the area. I feel safer here than anywhere else in the city simply because it has a 'local-area' feel to it. Hope this helps.

Kcrl01: It took me a few looks to confirm but yes, that appears to be the same girl. I do have her phone number but she didn't make the same long-lasting impression on me as you (unfortunately, hehe). My first -- and so far only -- Rio Goddess is Micaela of Vila Mimosa. Every girl I fuck I ask her to write her name on a piece of paper so (a) I get it right, and (b) I remember it. While doing so almost every girl adds her phone number. I will never use them but it is something to note.

Ezinho: After the five-month blowout in Quito, then browsings in Bolivia, Argentina, Paraguay, I was becoming more and more convinced I would never find another Quito. While Rio does not reach Quito's heights in my books -- yet -- it is probably the closest thing to resembling Quito I have found to date when it comes to quality selection and pricing.

Looking back over the years I realize my initial dabblings into P4P in China at $30 a pop, but never wildly embracing it, was because $30 was my upper tolerance level for buying pussy. Anything more is a waste of money; pussy ceases to be a value to me. At that point I would rather do the five-knuckle shuffle. My entry into Quito to find 650 to 2000 penny pussy -- and some gorgeous pussies at that -- was a simultaneous meeting of desire, quality and pricing that ferociously exploded. Rio, at long last, contains some fuckworthy extensions of this trend.

Ezinho & Almotu: As for a presentation of photos I am hesitant to do so until I leave Rio. In the past I imagine Rio girls have become aware of this website via blabbermouth ISG members. This city board is a lot more high-profile than Quito was or ever will be. I think Christopherd plays it wisely and safely in this regard. I am hesitant to post pictures of girls for fear I get a courtesy visit from one of their brothers or boyfriends -- and all their favela friends. Thus I am thinking photos will be sidelined until I am well out of Dodge. If I stay longer than expected perhaps in due time I can set up an alternate link with photos and share them with members via private message.

Rio Safety in Low-End Clubs: Here I will address a note by Carlos Primeros in post 4044. I believe other posters, such as Perkele in post 4029, are concerned about this too.

First, the formula looks like this: a well travelled individual, with a developed street sense, goes into a city's harder areas to find pussy, reports enthusiastic results to the board, causing others to follow in his footsteps without their fully comprehending the potential darker sides of the tale. These others are not as well travelled, are a little (or a lot) greener in terms of street sense. So one day twenty year old blond-haired, blue-eyed Joe Hardy arrives in Rio for a week vacation. He struts into Vila Mimosa dressed up like he's ready for his favorite nightclub in a mid-sized American city, dick dripping with enthusiasm to fuck everything in sight for 25R a pop, having a few beers too many and talking too loud in English. A handful of boys from a nearby favela are sitting in a corner. They take notice. Joe Hardy is high as a kite. He's having a great time. Scored a prime pussy already. His green defenses are practically non-existent at this point. ... you take it from here.

Second, to gain a perspective of my background -- which provide a foundation for my mongering -- scroll down to questions 4 and 5 found in this link http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=488784 (cross-referenced to Rio Crime & Safety section, post 604 by Christopherd). Adapt the questions to read: "I do not speak Portugese. Is this a problem?" -- and -- "Is it dangerous in Rio?"

Third, I will expand question 5 to address Rio's spectacular divergences from Quito. Here I will confess something. While in Rio I expect to get 'stung' at some point. I mean robbed. I don't want to get robbed but I think it is inevitable. Even with years of travel training. Why? Because as days roll into weeks I feel the odds are overwhelmingly stacked against me. I read on this board that bonafide mongering pros of Rio's terrain get robbed. Competent men have sworn off this city forever.

Thus confessed the challenge I have before me is to minimize the 'sting' when it happens. Meaning I must seek to minimize my financial loss, all the while avoiding personal injury up to and including a bullet in the head.

Quito, for me, was a training ground for the rest of South America. I chose not to enter Columbia from Ecuador back in 2006 because I did not feel I was ready to travel overland in Columbia. I was wary of entering both Sao Paulo and Rio de Janeiro because of their incredible reputations for violence. Having done so both cities have been extremely insightful. I have seen poorer environments in the world (Pakistan, India). I have seen richer environments in the world (The West). But the spread of extreme poverty mixed with extreme wealth as displayed in cities like Sao and Rio is a new precedent. It is an intense precedent, one worthy of my time and continued observation. Quite simply Brazil is the most eye-opening country on this continent to date. (And now I understand -- with my own two eyes -- why Brazil is fiercely allied with China and India to break Western and Japanese agricultural subsidies in WTO talks).

Every subsequent move I make is built on a precedent. Observe posts: Foundations (evaluting south Rio, observing Help girls) leads to Continuations (evaluating central Rio, sampling central girls) leads to Transitions (entry into and evaluation of north Rio, sampling VM girls). My entry into Brazil was founded on years of travel in the Middle East, Asia, Mex & Central America, South America.

In other words I did not simply get on a plane to Rio and decide to frivolously fuck 1250 penny pussy in favela-land Vila Mimosa. Neither should anyone else without serious thought, similar travel-cultural experience, and realistic expectations.

Cleanliness in Low-End Rio Clubs: I can say it no better than quote from the Quito Fuckclub List. Here it is: "Of the cheap fuckclubs ... these places are not for those individuals looking for the 'clean & sterile' fuck. Crypton types: "The rooms in (low-end) brothels tend to be dingy -- you really need to supress any thoughts of what went on in that bed before your got there!" Bobisee’s types: “One of the not-so-pretty chicas told me she did about 3-5 guys a day and the popular ones -- maybe 20. Many do 5 or more days a week with 8 to 12 hours or more a day. Figure it out: An easy 1000 fucks a year for the less popular ones.” And no, they do not change the bed sheets after each fuck. They might do laundry once a week or once a month, who knows. If you choose to hit these clubs expect this."

Apparently, because I can tolerate this kind of environment, even thrive in it, I am a "very hardcore mongerer" (a thought I still find humorous).

You might not be.

Routard: I love the way you cross-linked your two week story on multiple boards. Nicely done with some interesting observations made. In particular for me: Rio more dangerous than Bogota? Hmmmm, from someone (you) who has seen both cities it is of potential importance to me going forward. Thanks for taking the writing time!

Dutch44
08-02-07, 09:50
Hi Euro100,

Just read your post and wanted to respond to your remark about your comparison of the german FKKS and termas. I think it is a little too simple to make a statement like 'they (termas) are WAY better, period!' You said:


.... Oh well, there is only so much popping that any man can do in a few short days ;). But I know one thing: you will be back in Rio! Because the termas ARE way better than the German FKKs. Period!

I sure go back to Rio all the time, but my thoughts about 'FKKs vs termas' are a little different. I do not entirely disagree with you, but yet I can bring up many points of comparison where the Rio termas are in fact not better. In 2006 and 2007 I have been in Rio several times at several of the Rio Termas. In Germany I have visited many of the german FKKs, or sauna clubs as others call them. Let's try to compare the well known Rio termas with the well known FKKs. You will find their names all on this forum. No need for me to repeat those.

Here goes the comparison: (I'm trying to be unbiased here)

1) Money: entry fee

FKK: A typical german FKK in the western part (towards the dutch border) will charge 50 euros for a whole day entry. Some other FKKs around Frankfurt charge 60 euros.

Termas: a typical termas in Rio will cost you 50-80 R$ to get in. (20-32 euro)

2) Money: food and drinks

FKK: all food (breakfast, lunch and dinner) and drinks (including beer) are free. (yes, this is really true)

Termas: you have to pay for all food and drinks. Prices for drinks and food tend to be quite high.

3) Money: rooms

FKK: in the FKK you do not have to pay for using the rooms, you only pay the lady. Quality of the rooms is good to very good. Most rooms are fairly large. Some of them even have showers and toilets.

Termas: you pay for using the rooms. The quality of the rooms is from average to pretty bad. Most rooms in a termas are small. I have not yet come accross a termas room with a bathroom built-in.

4) Money: paying the ladies

FKK: 30 minutes typically costs 50 euros, 60 minutes costs typically 75 euro. Around the Frankfurt area it may be more, like 100 euro for 1 hour.

Termas: 40 minutes with a girl may cost 150-200 R$. (60-80 euros) An hour may be up to 300 R$. (120 euros) As you see, a Rio termas may actually be more expensive in this than a regular FKK. The Termas fee includes the cost of the room.

4) Hygiene

FKK: Hygiene in most FKKs is very good. The furniture, rooms, bar, toilets, showers, etc are good to very good quality. Some FKKs have gardens where you can relax and sit outside. Use of the sauna and solariums are free.

Termas: Hygiene is sometimes questionable. Same for quality of toilets, showers etc. If there is a sauna/solarium it is free. But haven't seen many of those.

5) Service and management

FKK: My experience is that the management is usually good and the ladies are not pushy or aggressive. So far I did not meet any unfriendly management in any FKK yet. Nor has anyone tried to rip me off.

Termas: I have encountered some unfriendly management in some of the termas. Girls sometimes are a little pushy, some employees are sometimes trying to squeeze tips out of you. As we know, some termas are basically rip off places for the 'rich' tourists. There is plenty info on this in this forum.

6)Variety of the girls

FKK: you will find all kinds of women in the FKK. Eastern european girls, german, asian, south american and brasileiras as well.

Termas: you will find mostly brasileiras in there. (they are my favorites by the way)

7) Quality of the service

FKK: in the standard service almost 100% of the time a BBBJ is included, and DATY and CFS. Kissing is more rare. The looks of the women rank from average to very pretty.

Termas: BBBJ is not always offered, sometimes CBJ is offered instead. DAY and CFS is always included. Kissing is frequent. The looks of the women rank from average to very pretty.

8) Passion, GFE etc.

FKK: GFE can be found, but is more rare. European women certainly can be very sexy, but are typically less 'passionate' than the brasileiras.
But let's not forget though that some of the ladies in the FKK are in fact brasileiras.

Termas: GFE is easy to find. Passion is everywhere, hot steamy sex is easy to find. Brasileiras are simply great with all of that. No question there.

9) Opening times:

FKK: most FKKs are open the whole year, every day. From 11u00 to 01h00 or even later. Some are open to 05h00.

Termas: Some termas are closed in the weekend.

10) Location and transportation

FFK: for most europeans the FKKs are only a few hours of travel away. (by plane, taxi, car etc.) But they are spread out all over the country. Germany is however a very safe country to travel in. Traveling there can be quite expensive though.

Termas: A plane ticket to Rio is fairly expensive and so are the hotels. However the termas are all over Rio, taxis and subway are cheap. Rio is a great city, very much alive and kicking. Traveling in Rio and being there at night is not always safe though.

My conclusion:

Euro100 and others, do not get me wrong. I love Rio and I love the termas, but I do not think that they are 'WAY better' than the FKKS in all aspects. In fact in many of the 10 points listed above, in my opinion, the FKKs score better. Even the price is sometimes better in the FKK. (total sum of girls + food + drinks + use of rooms) Relatively speaking most of the bigger termas must be VERY expensive for the brazilian men actually, when you realize that an average income in Rio is something between 500-1000 R$ per month. (200-400 euro)

Yet, I would advise anybody to visit at least some of the termas in Rio. I simply loved 4x4. To be surrounded by 70-100 hot brazilian girls all dancing and wanting your attention (or money actually) is an amazing thing. There are many good smaller termas in Rio too, as we can all read on this forum. I will certainly try out some more termas when I am in Rio again. Then again, lets not forget the rio escort services either. They are pretty good. 125 reais for 2 hours of full service (= girl + cost for taxi) at your apartment or hotel ain't bad either. Thats just 50 euro! (my apologies to all the readers from the USA, but I can't help that in Europe we think in Euros, not US$)

I look forward to hearing responses or comments from you guys on these 10 points. What say you?

cheers,
Dutch44

Euro100
08-02-07, 11:21
I don't want to make this into a drawn-out discussion. Everybody can have their own opinion. Fine by me. I actually agree by-and-large with your list of 10 points. But #8 counts way more than the other ones in my book. And the average GFE is just so much better in a terma than in an FKK that it tilts the scale in the termas favor for me. Don't get me wrong, I love FKKs. If you check my posts, then you see many many in the German FKK section of the board. I have been with over 100 women in FKKs. So I love it there.

But there is a big difference to a terma: after your session in an FKK is done, the girl moves on, and you are history. Yes, there are exceptions; see for example my recent post on Debbie at Berndt's, or Jana or Andrea in the past. But in general this statement is true. I hope we can agree on this point. And in Rio I have had many experiences where the terma girl comes over to my place after work, and we continue all night ... occasionally even without money changing hands. That's what make the difference for me.

But still, everybody can have their own opinion. I respect that. For me the termas are way better. If they are not for you, that's cool.
euro

Almotu
08-02-07, 17:22
My first -- and so far only -- Rio Goddess is Micaela of Vila Mimosa. Every girl I fuck I ask her to write her name on a piece of paper so (a) I get it right, and (b) I remember it. While doing so almost every girl adds her phone number. I will never use them but it is something to note.I will gladly relieve you of all those tiny bits of paper :D. While partaking of all the goodies in VM, did you ever take any of the girls to that nearby hotel? (I forget the name) I had sessioned in VM once and would have preferred a nicer f*ckcloset! Would you put together a hot list of your North Rio favorite haunts?

Dutch44
08-03-07, 03:09
Hi Euro,

Thanks for your response. My message was not so much to disagree with you or anybody, but just to go into a little more detail on the comparison of the FKK with the Rio termas.


...I actually agree by-and-large with your list of 10 points. But #8 counts way more than the other ones in my book. And the average GFE is just so much better in a terma than in an FKK that it tilts the scale in the termas favor for me.....But there is a big difference to a terma: after your session in an FKK is done, the girl moves on, and you are history. Yes, there are exceptions; see for example my recent post on Debbie at Berndt's, or Jana or Andrea in the past. But in general this statement is true. I hope we can agree on this point. And in Rio I have had many experiences where the terma girl comes over to my place after work, and we continue all night ... occasionally even without money changing hands. That's what make the difference for me....

You are 100% right. The GFE in Brasil, is unique when compared to Europe. I regularly went with a GDP for a few days (nights) because of that. I've had 'free' offerings as well. That is what keeps me coming back to Brazil. So when I go to a Rio termas, I just forget about the things that are great in the FKK and go for the 'Rio' factor. No place like it.

cheers,
Dutch44

Tungurahua
08-04-07, 00:28
"a hot list of your North Rio favorite haunts?" -- The only place I know in north Rio is Vila Mimosa and these 72 mini-clubs are tightly clustered together. Your question begs my question: you mean there is more (in north Rio)? If so, what post(s) am I missing? Or are you including central in your question?

I have not done the hotel by VM; that would inflate costs. I am perfectly fine with the fuckclosets provided on site. Like I said many of them are nicer than Quito's.

Are you serious about wanting the phone numbers?

Tawan
08-04-07, 07:08
I knew Sue Ellen ("Suelen") when she was working at Monte Carlo as Luana last year. (There have been a couple other Luanas at Monte Carlo - this one has black hair with red streaks and a long name tatood to the back of her neck.) I agree with you, she is an unconventional beauty. She enjoys her work and can be very passionate.

I have also spent some time in Germany so I am familiar with your great reports in the FKK section. I think FKKs are wonderful but it's interesting how Brasileiras don't fit into that system very well - you'll rarely see a truly beautiful one there (or maybe they somehow become less beautiful out of their habitat?).

In terms of how the economics play out at a termas, most girls do manage to work either 1 or 2 times per night. Not working at all is considered a small disaster and can also be expensive, as the girls have to pay various fees and fines to the casa and many travel great distances just to get there. So they work very hard to develop regular clients. Switching from girl to girl in a termas, while totally acceptable, is not quite as standard as in FKKs.

Zimmer
08-04-07, 07:45
Thanks for the reports. What can I say? Just fantastic, probably the most well written and entertaining reports I've ever read. Thanks also for posting a link in the German FKK section, I would never have found it otherwise.

I think I've spent the last 5 hours or so reading your reports, Bubba Boy's excellent guides and more on the South American part of the forum.

I would love to hear what you would recommend for someone who doesn't speak Portuguese. I'm sure it's already written here but I couldn't find it or perhaps I've just forgot it already (I've probably read to much today).

Let's say the bigger clubs in Rio that you and Bubba Boy mention would it be possible for a English-only speaker to have a good time and get some of the GFE experience you guys talk about? I guess a lot of tourists must be visiting the big Rio clubs. Would you dare to make an estimation on what the percentage of girls who speak English is in the big Rio clubs?

Comparing to German FKKs that I'm used to would the big termas of Rio still be a good destination for a English-only speaker?

Again thank you very much for the great reports.

Euro100
08-04-07, 14:12
I would love to hear what you would recommend for someone who doesn't speak Portuguese. I'm sure it's already written here but I couldn't find it or perhaps I've just forgot it already (I've probably read to much today).


I can help there: my Portuguese is almost non-existent. I know, I know, I really should pick up more of the language, because I am in Brazil about once per year for a week or so. But what can I say? I am lazy.

Portuguese definitely helps, but you can get along just with English. The hotel receptionists usually speak English, and they can give you a lot of help. And the girls in the Copa termas also have rudimentary command of English. In the centro termas you will also find that the receptionists can talk enough English, and even a lot of the girls speak enough to get messages back and forth. I also ventured to Villa Mimosa, and got along just fine with just the words "chop" and "sexo".

If you are interested how a non-Portuguese-speaker adventures, here are links to my recent posts from my trip in June (Routard tried to put them into ROD, but did not provide the right links):
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=607674
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=607717
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=607707
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=607697
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=608497
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=608496
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=608495

And here are the links to my posts from last year:
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=502255
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=502254
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=502253
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=502251
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=502249
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=502248
(there is more, but I am too lazy to look it all up).

Well, enjoy. As you know from the German forum, I love the German FKKs, but for my money Rio is just up another notch.

euro (who will be back in Rio in October. YEAHHHHH!)

Sperto
08-04-07, 18:53
I would love to hear what you would recommend for someone who doesn't speak Portuguese...
As Euro100 wrote you will do fine with your English only. That is as long as you monger in Copa and the major termas. When dealing with Help girls, free-lancers, taxi-drivers, beach-vendors etc you can expect to overpay.

It will help a lot if you learn something like 50 basic phrases.

If you would like to enjoy the Eden of Rio, Vila Mimosa, you might need some more words than "sexo" and "chop" (BTW I never seen any bar serving chopp in VM).

Zimmer
08-04-07, 23:32
I can help there: my Portuguese is almost non-existent. I know, I know, I really should pick up more of the language, because I am in Brazil about once per year for a week or so. But what can I say? I am lazy.

Portuguese definitely helps, but you can get along just with English. The hotel receptionists usually speak English, and they can give you a lot of help. And the girls in the Copa termas also have rudimentary command of English. In the centro termas you will also find that the receptionists can talk enough English, and even a lot of the girls speak enough to get messages back and forth.Euro100,

Great reports! I just assumed you did speak fluent Portuguese (don't know where I got it from) and from what I read on this forum Routard seems to be a man who can communicate well in just about any language. I'm very happy to hear this recommendation from you because you also have so much experience from the German FKK scene.


As Euro100 wrote you will do fine with your English only. That is as long as you monger in Copa and the major termas. When dealing with Help girls, free-lancers, taxi-drivers, beach-vendors etc you can expect to overpay..I think I'll just stick with the major termas so the only problem I will face is probably the taxi drivers but here's a lot of information on that subject so I'll just follow some advice from here and hope I won't be to much cheated.


It will help a lot if you learn something like 50 basic phrases.Great idea with some basic phrases, I will study this forum for some useful phrases. I don't want to buy a book of phrases in an ordinary book store in my country because I have no need for being able to say "Thank you very much for the coffee" but it could be useful to be able to say "Is your pussy shaved recently?" LOL. Just kidding.

I certainly hope to make a trip to Brazil and Rio, probably not very soon unfortunately, but it looks like the perfect destination for one week of vacation. Hopefully, in the next 6 months or so I should be able to make it.

Loso69
08-05-07, 04:00
My thanks to Bubba Boy for posting about Lorrane's exploits as a porn star. This DVD was in the mail yesterday. Wow!

BTW, she's one of the stars from 4x4.

Loso

Lorenzo
08-05-07, 04:13
If you would like to enjoy the Eden of Rio, Vila Mimosa...........
The "Eden of Rio?" Gimme a break, Sperto! More like the Hades, or Dante's Inferno! I can see visiting VM once out of curiosity, but after that, unless you're hopelessly broke or have a fetish for grunge, places like VM are best avoided by anyone with a modicum of taste and discrimination. And that goes for Help! and Meia Pataca as well. Leave them to the thugs, gangstas, and newbies.

L

Rio Bob
08-05-07, 04:40
If you would like to enjoy the Eden of Rio, Vila Mimosa, you might need some more words than "sexo" and "chop" (BTW I never seen any bar serving chopp in VM).

That's probably because serving a chopp requires a clean glass.

Sperto
08-05-07, 04:51
The "Eden of Rio?" Gimme a break, Sperto! More like the Hades, or Dante's Inferno! I can see visiting VM once out of curiosity, but after that, unless you're hopelessly broke or have a fetish for grunge, places like VM are best avoided by anyone with a modicum of taste and discrimination.
I better check my bank accounts right away. I don't have a fetish for grunge so I must be hopelessy broke.

"Visiting VM once out of curiosity", that's OK with me as long at it's once a week. I'm always so curios.

VM is a giant marvellous circus with 1500 females performing. All of them ready to entertain you for a cheap buck. For me it's not only a issue of getting laid. I want to have fun as well. VM is fun! I can't wait go get back. ;)

Termas is OK for me. But always strolling around dressed in a robe in a terma chit chatting with other gringos is not my cup of tea. I prefer to do as the pigs, roll around in the mud.

Rio Bob
08-05-07, 04:51
The "Eden of Rio?" Gimme a break, Sperto! More like the Hades, or Dante's Inferno! I can see visiting VM once out of curiosity, but after that, unless you're hopelessly broke or have a fetish for grunge, places like VM are best avoided by anyone with a modicum of taste and discrimination. And that goes for Help! and Meia Pataca as well. Leave them to the thugs, gangstas, and newbies.

L

So what's left then? Just the handful of termas?

When I'm in Rio and I come across people who have been there for the first time and they ask me: where to go? If they are senior citizens I tell them to go to a termas. It's a safe sterile environment, go in, put on a robe, they will give you a glass of warm milk, pat you on the butt and tell you to have a good time. No need to speak the lingo plus you can have any girl, no need to have game or looks , is this the Eden for you L?

El Austriaco
08-05-07, 05:09
So what's left then? Just the handful of termas?
What I personally like about Rio is that there is something for everyone: every taste, every style of mongering, every budget, high-roller and low-rollers. Help is great for Rio Bob, good for him, no reason he should change his style, and all the best to him. And the same goes for many others, too. Some prefer Meia Pataca or Balcony. Termas are great for Lorenzo and Routard and many others, great for them. VM works for Christopherd and Tungurahua, awesome. Personally, I like finding my rough diamonds in Centro, cool with me. Somebody's purgatory is another person's paradise, and vice versa, I guess. I sure enjoy reading about all of them, heaven or hell.

What I am trying to say is that all places have their pros and cons, and while they might not appeal to everyone, they might just be perfect for some. But as long as everyone posts their own personal experiences and impressions to possibly help other similarly minded mongers, we are all cool, right?

EA

Rio Bob
08-05-07, 06:41
What I personally like about Rio is that there is something for everyone: every taste, every style of mongering, every budget, high-roller and low-rollers. Help is great for Rio Bob, good for him, no reason he should change his style, and all the best to him. And the same goes for many others, too. Some prefer Meia Pataca or Balcony. Termas are great for Lorenzo we are all cool, right?

EA

You are 100% correct, for me if all Rio had to offer was the Termas I wouldn't go, they bore me to death. I like the excitement of Help and the mystery to see what you end up with plus the chase. I don't feel you get that in a termas, seems to be the same girls everyday that everybody knows here. Some may find that comforting to go into a place that has a known quantity, I don't, I like to leave it to chance.

American Warrior
08-05-07, 06:50
The "Eden of Rio?" Gimme a break, Sperto! More like the Hades, or Dante's Inferno! I can see visiting VM once out of curiosity, but after that, unless you're hopelessly broke or have a fetish for grunge, places like VM are best avoided by anyone with a modicum of taste and discrimination. And that goes for Help! and Meia Pataca as well. Leave them to the thugs, gangstas, and newbies.

LI am in agreement with lonrenzo; stay away from vm you are ruining it (for me). Quit getting these guys hope of finding a gem in the rough (I found 4). I am a broke lawyer that has to go to vm because I fetish cheap pussy. My bio brother and his best friend refuses to sleep with any girl in vm. My two friends enjoy it just has much as me (also, one of them is a broke lawyer). Funny thing the five of us all enjoy help. Stay away from help my brother and his friend swear by centaruas, I am glad they love that place, its cool with me. Stay away from cent. Stay away from Rio.

Chris H
08-05-07, 07:51
So what's left then? Just the handful of termas?

When I'm in Rio and I come across people who have been there for the first time and they ask me: where to go? If they are senior citizens I tell them to go to a termas. It's a safe sterile environment, go in, put on a robe, they will give you a glass of warm milk, pat you on the butt and tell you to have a good time. No need to speak the lingo plus you can have any girl, no need to have game or looks , is this the Eden for you L?


gotta 2nd Rio Bob on this one. There is no adventure to going to Termas. VM and HELP and MP and the beaches bring some type of adventure or challenge.

Chris H

Euro100
08-05-07, 11:37
gotta 2nd Rio Bob on this one. There is no adventure to going to Termas. VM and HELP and MP and the beaches bring some type of adventure or challenge.
Ummm, challenge? At Help, VM, MP? In getting laid? No! You look at a girl, and it's a deal. You don't look away fast enough, it's a deal, too. Let's face it, all of these places are like shooting fish in a barrel, just like the termas or VM. That's why I love all of them. :D

I dunno, hard to decide what's "better". A few weeks ago I reported on a day where I started in VM, then went to terma L'uomo, and finished the night at Help, followed by take-home. All of them completely different environments, all of them exciting in their own way. I am not going to diss anyone on this board for preferring one thing over another. It's all good.

Euro100
08-05-07, 11:40
Yeah, I guess I should have said cerveja. Chopp is a draft-beer, and I have not seen that in VM. Just bottles, for obvious reasons ... as Rio Bob points out.

Rio Bob
08-05-07, 12:44
Ummm, challenge? At Help, VM, MP? In getting laid? No! You look at a girl, and it's a deal. You don't look away fast enough, it's a deal, too. Let's face it, all of these places are like shooting fish in a barrel, just like the termas or VM. That's why I love all of them. :D



Yes you're right but the deal is based upon many things, whether she likes you or not, your negotiation skills, various things, Termas is fixed, depends on nothing.

Your sex with her depends on you too, if you get her going, she'll screw your brains out, she'll stay all night if she likes you, she'll screw you the next day, in a termas it's 40 minutes and the phone rings, depends on nothing.

If I have a bad night at Help, it's my fault period because I chose the wrong one or I had an off night and couldn't get her going. But if you choose well, she liked you, she screwed your brains out, you got her going, that's the excitement, that's the adventure, that's the score and you did it all night long on your terms. That's what I’m talking about, in a termas you got to do all that before the phone rings. Yeah I know some of you get those termas girls to go home with you, that's good too.

Jan 156
08-05-07, 13:22
the "eden of rio?" gimme a break, sperto! more like the hades, or dante's inferno! i can see visiting vm once out of curiosity, but after that, unless you're hopelessly broke or have a fetish for grunge, places like vm are best avoided by anyone with a modicum of taste and discrimination. and that goes for help! and meia pataca as well. leave them to the thugs, gangstas, and newbies.

just to be awkward i'll take the opposite view <g>. people with taste select and differentiate. to me, 4x4 is like getting sex by intraveous injection. nothing wrong with it but it palls a bit for me, even if i can afford it. i like the freedom the girls enjoy at vm, and the price means that it's not that big a deal whether i sleep with them. and if she's a dud i haven't wasted half an hour. you have to exercise taste to distinguish between the ones who make 300r in other places and the ones that couldn't even if all tourists were blind.

it maybe has something in common with hades but what makes you think someone with taste would not go there? eden's close as well - a state of unrefinement, indigeousness, often unpolluted by the knowledge of marketing in aggressive helpee fashion. what you mean, i cheekily would suggest, is, "anyone with a modicum of addiction to refinement." and we are not even talking genuine refinement in the case of upmarket termas. more like a hologram of every american's fantasy!

but as someone pointed out, maybe the joy of rio is there being something for everyone.



that's probably because serving a chopp requires a clean glass.

try the bar at the end - i forget the number - the first one on the right hand side after the meat factory and lorries. you will almost certainly get a freshly washed glass from the bartender.

Mr Enternational
08-05-07, 14:32
I am in agreement with lonrenzo; stay away from vm you are ruining it (for me). Quit getting these guys hope of finding a gem in the rough (I found 4). I am a broke lawyer that has to go to vm because I fetish cheap pussy. My bio brother and his best friend refuses to sleep with any girl in vm. My two friends enjoy it just has much as me (also, one of them is a broke lawyer). Funny thing the five of us all enjoy help. Stay away from help my brother and his friend swear by centaruas, I am glad they love that place, its cool with me. Stay away from cent. Stay away from Rio.

Quedog, what's the difference between your brother and his friend sleeping with a girl in VM or a girl who they meet at Help who they do not know works regular in VM? I would say the difference is 200 reais for a different setting.

The first time I took my dad to VM he wouldn't get with any of the chicks there because it looked too shiesty to him. He thought that someone might come in the room and rob him. But from the second time he swears by it. He even brings a doggie bag to the apartment with him. If I even hint about taking a look in 4X4 when we are downtown he refuses to go near it. He used to like it but now thinks it's a ripoff. He prefers VM, the downtown casas, and getting chicks from MP 20 minutes for 20 reais over the ambiance of a termas.

Edward M
08-05-07, 16:21
My thanks to Bubba Boy for posting about Lorrane's exploits as a porn star. This DVD was in the mail yesterday. Wow!

BTW, she's one of the stars from 4x4.

LosoHow did you order that DVD? I cannot figure it out from the url on the label. It is all in German. I have banged her too and would like to get a DVD of a girl that I have actually banged.

Edward M
08-05-07, 16:24
The first time I took my dad to VMYou and your dad are my heroes What a great family! Is dad still married to mom?

Brazilman
08-05-07, 18:33
Have you guys read Jim Norton's new book.He has a picture of himself and Patrice oneal at the termas. They are in a robe and also by the locker. Its pretty cool.Has anyone ever seen them at the termas or help. He wrote a chapter on Brazil.

Tungurahua
08-06-07, 00:22
The "Eden of Rio?" Gimme a break, Sperto! More like the Hades, or Dante's Inferno! I can see visiting VM once out of curiosity, but after that, unless you're hopelessly broke or have a fetish for grunge, places like VM are best avoided by anyone with a modicum of taste and discrimination. And that goes for Help! and Meia Pataca as well. Leave them to the thugs, gangstas, and newbies. LLorenzo, after all this time I still don't have you convinced I am not a pig-fucker?! ;-) Ok, I can tell this has to be done. You guys who do a single casual drive-through at 11am and expect to find the gems I can only shake my head at the wonders you are missing.

In a rally-cry for the "Eden of Rio" (that name is so deliciously twisted!) here are a couple Vila Mimosa girls. These pictures will be taken down within 24 hours, to be officially added to the Photo Collection (with extras) later on down the road.

The first is Rio-Goddess Micaela, the second is Ghetto-Babe Alessandra. Both pretty tasty in my books. Price? 26R. That is 1383 pennies a session. This is value -- as opposed to the $75 to $150 price-tags elsewhere.

P.S: I am doing this in fun; I am not really angry. lol

Tavares
08-06-07, 00:29
Tungurauha,

Very tasty indeed!! more, pls

Kid Cisco
08-06-07, 00:32
Lorenzo, after all this time I still don't have you convinced I am not a pig-fucker?! Ok, I can tell this has to be done. You guys that do a single casual drive-through at 11am and expect to find the gems I can only shake my head at the wonders you are missing.

In a rally-call for the Eden of Rio here are a couple Vila Mimosa girls. These pictures will be taken down within 24 hours, to be officially added to the Photo Collection (with extras) later on down the road.

The first is Rio-Goddess Micaela, the second is Ghetto-Babe Alessandra. Both pretty tasty in my books. Price? 26R. That is 1383 pennies a session.Well, it all come down to ones ( taste,time,money) IF cost isn't a big deal to you a person can do the termas or some of the high end take out bars.

Also, you want have a problem finding a girl you would want to do.

NOW, if you have low funds or just like to get a thrill and rush do the VM were you will sooner or later find something you want to do ( BUT at the end of the day you pay for what you get).

Kid Cisco

Voyajer1
08-06-07, 00:58
Everybody on this board has an opinion of what is a great value or levels of cleanliness. I agree and defend anyone who tries all the spots, from the most expensive termas, escorts, or clubs or the low end spots, if there is even such a thing. In my opinion, it doesn't matter if the ass is being taken for 10 reals as in Sao Paulo's low end houses (Limeira, Dos Andradas, etc) or in Rio from VM to Centaurus (26 to 330 reals or more), ass is ass, period. Find something you like, screw 'em, leave them and lets share the experience. Don't bag on anyone elses idea of fun, just because of individual taste. It is the differences that make this board great. Right? Otherwise, we would all be staying at home (Wherever this maybe), get overcharged by a scag who may or may not perform or worse, get married :-(!!! Let each member tell us what they are doing and don't criticize them for it, to each his own. I personally enjoy the adventure and try all of the places mentioned on this board. There are gems everywhere, all eager to please. So if it is dirty, slimey, grungy or hospital clean, tell us what happened. Keep criticisms private. Tungurahua, no proof required, I believe you. You have proven that beyond doubt on the Ecuador board. Hell, I am even thinking of taking a trip :-)!!!

Lorenzo, after all this time I still don't have you convinced I am not a pig-fucker?! Ok, I can tell this has to be done. You guys that do a single casual drive-through at 11am and expect to find the gems I can only shake my head at the wonders you are missing.

In a rally-call for the Eden of Rio here are a couple Vila Mimosa girls. These pictures will be taken down within 24 hours, to be officially added to the Photo Collection (with extras) later on down the road.

The first is Rio-Goddess Micaela, the second is Ghetto-Babe Alessandra. Both pretty tasty in my books. Price? 26R. That is 1383 pennies a session.

Sperto
08-06-07, 01:35
The first is Rio-Goddess Micaela, the second is Ghetto-Babe Alessandra. Both pretty tasty in my books. Price? 26R.
Tungurahua,
I'm happy to see you have found Tatiane (Alessandra) at VM. This is one freaked out girl. One of the few VM girls I ever repeated.

More pics of this Queen of Eden:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=590884&postcount=1355
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=591403&postcount=1365

BTW, your VM reports were great.

Pipe Layer99
08-06-07, 03:05
Can we have another 'Sperto Cola'

Mangera
08-06-07, 03:09
Tungurahua,
I'm happy to see you have found Tatiane (Alessandra) at VM. This is one freaked out girl. One of the few VM girls I ever repeated.

More pics of this Queen of Eden:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=590884&postcount=1355
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=591403&postcount=1365

BTW, your VM reports were great.
This garota does not even bother going to the gym, and look at her abs, just amazing. Thats Brasil for you!

Ohp1972
08-06-07, 03:58
I dunno, hard to decide what's "better". A few weeks ago I reported on a day where I started in VM, then went to terma L'uomo, and finished the night at Help, followed by take-home. All of them completely different environments, all of them exciting in their own way. I am not going to diss anyone on this board for preferring one thing over another. It's all good.All I can say to that is, Amen!

American Warrior
08-06-07, 04:05
Quedog, what's the difference between your brother and his friend sleeping with a girl in VM or a girl who they meet at Help who they do not know works regular in VM? I would say the difference is 200 reais for a different setting.

The first time I took my dad to VM he wouldn't get with any of the chicks there because it looked too shiesty to him. He thought that someone might come in the room and rob him. But from the second time he swears by it. He even brings a doggie bag to the apartment with him. If I even hint about taking a look in 4X4 when we are downtown he refuses to go near it. He used to like it but now thinks it's a ripoff. He prefers VM, the downtown casas, and getting chicks from MP 20 minutes for 20 reais over the ambiance of a termas.I am in agreement with you that there is no difference VM and Help. I will go as far as saying there is no difference between VM and a Terma; it is what you choose was my point. You can lead a horse to the water but you can not make him drink. I like guys like Lorenzo and my brother, leave the cheap pussy for me. I say I hate no mongers taste or wallet; we are all different. By the way I show my brother a picture of a VM girl that was also at Help to prove my or our point. Again if the horse does not want to drink.

The Corn Hole
08-06-07, 07:43
I agree with Lorenzo on VM. I've heard cbjs are standard in VM (as opposed to 90% bbbj in the termas) which is an automatic disqualifier for me. But even if bbbjs were standard I wouldn't want to be recipient number 12 of the day. The hot ones in VM are naturally going to have a high number of customers every day. Forget about STDs. The rates of scabies, crabs and various parasites in that place must be going through the roof.

Dcsplicer
08-06-07, 08:11
My thanks to Bubba Boy for posting about Lorrane's exploits as a porn star. This DVD was in the mail yesterday. Wow!

BTW, she's one of the stars from 4x4.

LosoIs this the same girl? The that is the same for sure. If it is, I'd like to get the dvd.

Bubba Boy
08-06-07, 08:26
Thats definitely her, she was at centaurus for a few years before going to 4x4. I have tapped her a few times, she does everything and I do mean everything, what a dirty girl she is!!!

Dcsplicer
08-06-07, 09:41
Is this the same girl? The tat is the same for sure. If it is, I'd like to get the dvd.I forgot to resize the photo. This is from November 2006. I'm downloading the movie right now.

Tungurahua
08-06-07, 09:46
As four cop cars go screaming south I will plug in to the Matrix to update my time in Rio.

Sunday, day 11, hangover day. Monday, day 12, I tried the Modern Art Museum. Closed on Mondays. Figures. I take to the waterfront, read Monday's newspapers for its classifieds. Hmmm, not much for club addresses. Mostly single girl ads. Not my style. Looking around the park I take notice of a lot of punks. Now that that Pan-American games are over, Rio out of the world spotlight, are the police going to fade into the background, leaving the freaks to come out? Back to business as usual ("killing is my business ... and business is good ..."). I decide to retreat.

In front of the museum a tranny and its ugly friend call me over, asking for a light. Knowing proximity -- minimum safe distance -- is key I keep on cruising as it acts insulted. Stepping onto a ped-bridge I look behind me to see a punk running to catch up. I am 3/4 over the bridge, he's yelling I have dropped something, or I need to see something, to come back. Give me a break: how stupid do I look? Wandered central. Still tired from Saturday's blowout, therefore more paranoid than usual, I said to myself I am not in the mood for Rio today. I need to be 100% sharp, on my toes to deal with these streets. Metro'd it back home to watch the big, dumb Transformers movie.

Tuesday, day 13. Did Metroline 2 to Pavuna again in the afternoon. Exiting the train, did a walkabout of each station looking for vantage points to take pictures of nearby favelas, jumped on the next train to the next station. Hit 13 stations in all. This 'safe,' eye-opening way to see north Rio comes highly recommended by me.

In the evening met a friend at the Terrace, outside Help, for beers. Because Thurs-Fri-Sat are the high-days of VM a Tuesday night is all I can spare for something like Help. At midnight we jumped in. The selection was decent. At least a half-dozen fuckables for a slow Tuesday. There was one girl, a gorgeous sweet petite doll rivaling the beauty of a Lucy (** Tungurahua sheds a tear **). 23 years young. Ugh man, it was hard sending her away let me tell you. My face must have been a curious mix of unstable emotion as Price waged savage warfare with Desire under a crumbling facade. I am trying to keep Little-Tung on a leash while the mad bastard is practically running around the room after her, salivating, begging, whining for more.

Closed down the club at 5am. Thoughts? While interesting to see a piece of the famous Help it is not my style. I read others on the board like the 'game,' or challenge, of pursuit. Sounds like a normal bar back home. Bargaining? What's that about? Boring! Just make it a one-price fuckhouse so I can bend 'em over. That's efficiency. Help is too inefficient.

The 'virgin' Mexican City kid who I advised to take it easy on the drinks, that big-assed negrita was all over him like a shark to a minnow. You could see her toothy-vagina flexing under the spandex, eager to eat him alive.

Wednesday, day 14. A day off recovering from the all-nighter in Help. Thursday, day 15. Corcovado. Spent from 10:30am to 6:30pm sitting by Jesus. They forced me to listen to Mass from 3 to 4pm; a few demons found it intolerable and escaped my possession of them.

Friday, day 16. Boarded the Soul (Sol) Train back to my baby, Vila Mimosa. Ah, the sun is shining, I am gonna get me some fine pussy. Walk in was uneventful. With a beer in my paw I take to hunting the rabbit holes. One girl walks by sucking a soother; okay, so she has issues, but something about it works. She's not even good looking but it makes me want to stuff her. On my way in I noticed a guy passed out on the sidewalk, his face cut up, bleeding. A couple hours later he is front and center, dancing, hammered out of his mind, collecting cans and drinking the last 10ml of spit out of each.

Funkee music has seriously infected me; it's just so messed up. It's like James Brown on acid. I can ask for no better soundtrack to romance these girls to.

A common occurence is to see girls 'cross' the threshold. That is, as they step from the street into a hall they do the four points of the cross. For all you heathens, agnostics -- particularly you atheists -- may you rot and scald in hell for fucking Jesus' pussies.

One lady has such bad varicose veins it looks like the beginning of elephantitis. Other woolly mammoths, starting at 450kg, sway on by. Guys with broken feet, bandaged arms, crippled, wheelchairs, handicapped, scarred, whatever the case, whatever way possible they come to Vila Mimosa to get a little bit of animal satisfaction, to feel right again if only for twenty minutes once a week in a cluster-fuck called life.

The cops doing drive-throughs. Some with rifle-ends hanging out the windows of their beat-to-shit tiny cruisers. Other cops drive through in swanky new vehicles, decked with shiny computer screens before them. Uh, I know who is not feeling neglected, who I want to be stopped by.

During a walk-through I spot my first potential. Newbie! I turn around to follow. She takes down one hall through the crowd, cuts through a bar to the second hall, walks down a few doors, again cuts through a bar to double-back to the first hall. I'm thinking WTF?! This really is like a rabbit chase. Finally she takes to an abode, I catch up. Ah, petite and sweet.

I let her nibble on some cabbage, light up a smoke. She steps outside. I approach. She tries talking to me. Fuck if I know what she is saying. Enough small talk. How much? 25R. Handed over. Priscilla, 20 years young. After a brief BJ I laid her down and sunk myself into her soul. A meeting of the lips, tongues as she gently slides her fingers along my arms, back while I bury myself into her. Ooooooh, tis nice. Flatdog to blow.

Beers. Vids. Wanders. At about 9pm I was finishing a tour when I saw this girl in a window. She saw me. Immediately she jumped up and came over, she being as impressed by me as I was of her. Wow, Giovanna is a sight to behold. This is heavy metal love. She asks me where I am staying. I lie and say Gloria. She matter-of-fact states "You can stay at my place from now on." Me: !!!! I burst out laughing. Talk about a fast mover. After five minutes she was trying to slip a ring on my finger to marry us. Back home I would surely take it, but here in La-La-Land where pussy is $5 to $20 a pop, no thanks. Still, she was of interest.

She hauled me off to a metal-inclined Jukebox. As we played pool, her jamming guitar solos on a pool cue more than she was playing pool, I couldn't stop looking her over. She is tall and slender to begin with. Put the Kiss boots on (up to her thighs) and she surpasses my six feet. Long black hair, straight. Smaller breasts. You can tell she is a bit older but still a fine, fine mare. Says she is getting off 'work' at 2am, if I want to go to Heavy Duty afterwards. Gives me her phone number, advising to call her Saturday or Sunday, as she is not working. I walk her back to her mini-bar.

I didn't even fuck her and I got a number. Wow, this is becoming more efficient than ever. By the end of this tour I truly will be like Eddie Murphy with pussies falling out of my pockets. However, I had the taste of ex-girlfiend Vivian in my mouth the entire time. As gorgeous as Giovanna is I am not enthusiastic to go down that road again. I would rather pay for fuck sessions.

Okay. Time for round two. Who else is about? I hope ... YES! After a ten minute wait in she struts, wearing hotpants, dolled up for a Friday night, no top on, tits bouncing, rocking all of planet earth. Oh my fuck she is amazing to look at. Those tits scream the promise of joy. Hello Alessandra. 30R. Up we ascend. 40 minutes. I am going to pound this hot pussy with a torrential rage tonight.

Sperto has this description down pat: "very favelada, nasty, crazy and freaked out."

We get up to the room. We strip. I am snapping pictures to her poses. She asks for a condom. Ugh, great. For once my back pocket isn't stuffed with them and she has none. Down the stairs she goes. In she comes. We resume. On goes the condom. Brief BJ. Laid her back. Not even five minutes into it, after a series of disjointed thrusts in multiple positions, everything seeming to be out of synch, the condom breaks. Fuuuuck. She's laying there smiling. Arrrggghh, I am ready to tear my hair out Little-Tung wants this pussy and titties so badly. She's not going for a second.

It was the dopey, smug smile on her face that did me in. In retrospect she always has a dopey, smug smile on her face so it wasn't personal. I think she's baked out of her tree most of the time. But the smug smile, combined with a growing frustration, the alcohol, ignited a negative spark. I angrily threw in the towel and started dressing. She tried to smooch my cheek upon departure. I didn't let her. Walked away.

The rest of the morning was a write-off. Hit the metal-goth bars at the end of the street, then Heavy Duty. No Giovanna present. 6am metro'd home to sleep.

Saturday, day 17. 3pm, I wake hungover. Stuffed my back pocket full of condoms. Downed some grub. Metro'd back to VM. Took a second session with soft Priscilla.

More beers. Hmmm, new rabbits continue to appear. At about 10pm I caught glimpse of Micaela -- the heroine of my cock, superior hardware and software programmed to gobble all my goop. She is talking to a client, big smile for me. Never saw her again for the rest of the night.

Ah, there is the 8 who is a 10 in her eyes. Slender, pretty, a great ass. Fuck it, let's ride. Upon recognition of her at last she gave a big smile. 26R. Monique. I guess 19. In the room she goes into over-actress mode. No pictures. No kissing. A solid inch-feeding though. I fed her many meters. A bit clinical on the condom. Changed it once due to too much wear. Back home I'd give 1383 pennies anyday to do her. Here in Rio she is a hole-filling for 25 minutes, forgotten about as we part ways. 11:15pm, made my way back to the Metro.

Sunday, day 18. Took the metro and bus to Barra shopping in the south. After a meal, browsing the mall, I decided to walk outside the mall. I come to a bridge over water. There is a guy, decently dressed, standing on the opposite side. Instantly I went on alert. He was checking something, swaying, signalling as if to invite me forward. I can hear him muttering. Okay. He starts making his way across the bridge. I decide to cross the freeway, walk the opposite way.

I look back. What the hell?! He is running across the freeway in pursuit of me! Said fuck this, turned on the jets, ran like hell. I look back, he's trying to catch me but falling back. I ran for a bus, boarded. The bus waits (of course). The guy is still following my trail, swaying, pointing at cars driving by with his fingers-as-a-gun. Walks right beside my bus, I'm laying low, he passes. Five minutes later the bus finally leaves. He's in the distance swaying to and fro.

There are some mad creatures in this jungle.

I am going to take today off. Rest. Get sharp. Build up the sperm count. Go view Live Free or Die Hard.

Hit VM tomorrow night for some Diehard Fucking, Version 4.0.

Brazilman
08-06-07, 09:48
Quedog, how the hell are you broke. You lawyers charge 300 a hour. Can't you get clients.Hell, make a ambulance chaser tv ad.

Jan 156
08-06-07, 11:25
More great reports (and entertainingly written!) from Tungurahua. Nice one mate. Plus you've mentioned a girl (I won't say which one) that I've known for years - if you decide to dive in you'll maybe find you've only touched the surface of the great value to be had there buddy. Good hunting.

Edward M
08-06-07, 12:15
Have you guys read Jim Norton's new book.He has a picture of himself and Patrice oneal at the termas. They are in a robe and also by the locker. Its pretty cool.Has anyone ever seen them at the termas or help. He wrote a chapter on Brazil.I was wondering the same thing. I read his two chapters on Brazil. I am trying to figure out what termas he was at. From the pictures and describing going upstairs from reception to the bar and then up again to the cabine I am guessing Solarium but could this also be Centaurus? I would not know about Centaurus since I have never been there.

He also writes about sometimes needing to slip the girl an extra 50 in the cabine to get anal but I have never heard of this.

Almotu
08-06-07, 12:22
Thanks for the photo of Micaela, several posts back. Yes, I would be serious about those tiny slips of papers especially after seeing their photos (after your departure) and reading your reporting. I am looking forward to seeing Priscilla's and even, Giovanna. LoL.

Keep up the good work, how many more days will you be in town?

BTW, if you are serious about pulling down the photos you posted . . . you have to pay attention. After a certain amount of time, you won't be able to edit your posts any more.

Lorenzo
08-06-07, 12:41
Well, I'm sure glad to see that VM is so popular. I encourage you guys to keep going there, and leave the upscale termas to me and my likeminded monger brothers. Leave us to our warm milk and our warm pussy. Leave us to our circular beds in the luxury supersuites at L'uomo, and enjoy yourself humping away on a mattress on the floor. If that's what you want, who am I to judge? As several people said, to each his own.

Tuhgurahua, the last thing I'd say you are is a pig fucker. Your guide in the Ecuador thread helped me find an excellent "casa" in Quito last year--an upscale one, to be sure--for which I shall be forever grateful. BTW, did you tell Micaela that she could be earning a lot more money at one of the Copa termas? I didn't think so. She belongs at L'uomo or Monte Carlo. Alessandra would fit right in at 4x4, and would earn a lot more as well. These girls must be afraid to venture too far from home. Happy mongering, everyone, at the site of your choice.

L

Ryjerrob
08-06-07, 14:05
I better check my bank accounts right away. I don't have a fetish for grunge so I must be hopelessy broke.

"Visiting VM once out of curiosity", that's OK with me as long at it's once a week. I'm always so curios.

VM is a giant marvellous circus with 1500 females performing. All of them ready to entertain you for a cheap buck. For me it's not only a issue of getting laid. I want to have fun as well. VM is fun! I can't wait go get back. ;)

Termas is OK for me. But always strolling around dressed in a robe in a terma chit chatting with other gringos is not my cup of tea. I prefer to do as the pigs, roll around in the mud.

You guys are thoroughly crazy. While it has never really occurred to me to check out VM, I think I'll check it out. I usually get lazy and stay around Help/Meia Patace/Balcony. From reading about all the excitement you guys are having, I wanna see for myself. While I may or may not purchase any of their services, I wanna see for myself. Still can't get excited about Carnival, so I'm going back for New Year's Eve, and the three weeks prior. I guess I have some studying to do to make this next adventure a reality.

ryjer

Tawan
08-06-07, 16:49
I used to have a "relationship" with a termas girl and she still crashes at my apartment from time to time when I'm in town. We're just friends now, so she tells me everything and lets me watch her as she chats on MSN. Recently I enabled the "save chats" feature so I could share a few of them in case you find this stuff interesting. She is OK with me sharing them as long as I change the names.

This particular chat took place during the Pan American Games and focused on a couple popular topics: which termas to work at, and how to extract money from generous gringos. I have fond memories of our nights together but I think you can draw your own conclusions about what termas girls want and how they operate.


Naomi> So you’re going to stay at monte [carlo]?
Luciana> yeah its still good there
Luciana> lots of movement
Naomi> I don’t know if I’m going back to 4X4
Luciana> Why not?
Naomi> I’d like to go to Monte but I don’t know if they’ll let me back
Luciana> Why?
Naomi> Because the manager is a jerk and doesn’t like me from when I was at Solarium.
Naomi> It’s the same owner.
Luciana> So? A bunch of girls already came from there. Don’t worry.
Naomi> I don’t know
Luciana> Come on, you’ll like it
Luciana> Today the casa was busy, did 64 programas
Luciana> You’ll work a lot there
Naomi> Man what if the boss doesn’t let me?
Naomi> I mean, I know I’ll like it there
Luciana> Fuck it
Luciana> If you saw how many ugly women were there!
Luciana> There’s a lot of women, but a lot of customers too
Naomi> I know, lots of fat ones there
Naomi> rrrsrsrrsrss
Luciana> But dude I’ve learned to make my moves [galinhar]
Naomi> rsrsrrs
Luciana> You have no idea how many fat ones they have at Monte
Luciana> Unbelievable, one uglier than the next
Luciana> But shit they know how to work
Luciana> And I’ve learned to be just like them
Naomi> Yeah I’m learning too
Naomi> Not gonna say I’m an expert but I’m learning
Luciana> Shit it’s possible to do 3,4 per day there
Luciana> The place is fucked
Luciana> It’s like this, I keep to myself, but when the men enter, I get moving
Luciana> I’m working a lot, estou galinhando geral
Luciana> only thing is they have 2 managers there
Luciana> including one faggot who watches over us
Naomi> rsrsrs
Luciana> lots of rules, you can’t hang out in the bathroom, and can’t use your cell phone, except on the 6th floor
Luciana> plus you always have to go with your nails done, makeup

---<snip>---

Luciana> wait did I tell you Sheyla did liposuction?
Naomi> não that’s crazy
Naomi> rsrsr
Luciana> it’s true
Luciana> well one day she’s going to miss all the money she threw away
Luciana> and now she already wants to leave Martin [old European guy who took Sheyla out of termas and supports her]
Naomi> she’s maluca
Luciana> yep she wants to go back and work
Naomi> dude Gisele is a fucking expert [Gisele = friend who “happily” married rich gringo and retired, and now has the most money of anyone they know]
Luciana> yeah she’s way smarter than we imagined
Luciana> but now I’m getting smart too
Luciana> I met a guy who’s helping me a lot [giving me money] and now he wants me to leave work
Luciana> but I’m only leaving once I’ve bought a house
Naomi> wait it’s better to go with him and extract the most money possible [tirar o maximo] than work right?
Luciana> Martin is tricky [esperto] and never really wanted to buy her [Sheyla] a house.
Luciana> ele e muito malandro
Naomi> anyway Sheyla never knew how to make money
Naomi> she doesn’t know how to ask for things
Luciana> yeah I gave up on her a long time ago
Luciana> imagine spending all that time with that old man at your side
Luciana> and he’s not even giving her much money!
Naomi> dude you have to extract the maximum from these guys and disappear [tirar o maximo e ralar]
Luciana> yup

---<snip>---

Luciana> I’m still going to italy in September to meet the other one
Luciana> and now the one I’m with now doesn’t want me to go
Naomi> you better go
Luciana> but fuck it if I didn’t have to I wouldn’t go!
Luciana> it’s pretty stupid I could lose this one!
Luciana> man the mongers [puteiros] make us learn to be different
Naomi> that's true
Naomi> we’re not going to be pretty forever
Luciana> I already changed so much I almost don't recognize myself!
Naomi> rsrsssrs
Naomi> but I really don’t want to spend 10 years with puteiros
Luciana> you know I left Diego [her long time Brazilian boyfriend] again?
Naomi> you’re single?
Luciana> I am
Luciana> know why?
Naomi> it’s better
Luciana> in order to take as much money from these men and disappear
Luciana> but I’m making him suffer a lot
Naomi> that’s how it goes man

Loso69
08-06-07, 18:34
Dsplicer,

That's the one and only Lorrane in your picture. :)

Loso

Sperto
08-06-07, 18:52
Alessandra would fit right in at 4x4, and would earn a lot more as well. These girls must be afraid to venture too far from home.
Alessandra (actually Tatiane, name tattoed over her right breast) would never fit in at a terma. She's constantly on drugs, have no discipline at all and are propably much happier running around in the alleys at VM, getting high and dancing funk dressed in absolutely nothing else than a short skirt. It's a family tradition for her to work at VM and she earns quite well.

The reasons for other good looking girls to work at VM, instead of Copa, are the safety and the large number of clients. If they don't use drugs they will have very few expenses. They can sleep in the casa and eat for almost nothing. A Copa GP will spend lots of money on clothes, transport, beauty salons etc just to be able to compete.

A beautiful girl can have 15-25 clients/day at VM. That's R$ 300-500 to her. Some extra if she does anal or kinky stuff. Most of the real gems at VM only stay there for a couple of months, saving money. Then they are gone, studying or opening a small business or whatever.

On the other hand the average ugly VM girl will stay there much longer because she has very few choices. I guess about 80% of the VM girls are single mothers with kids to support.

Sperto
08-06-07, 19:18
Where you look for GPs is very individual. I looked at some statistics for my last trip. When I payed for p***y I found the GPs divided like this.

AVERAGE FOR RIO:
Casa in centro of Rio=32%
Vila Mimosa=28%
SW and bars=8%
Beach=16%
Strip-club=8%
Help=4 %
Upscale terma=4 %

AVERAGE FOR BRASIL:
SW and bars=34%
Strip-club=18%
Casa in centro of Rio=16%
Vila Mimosa=14%
Beach=14%
Help=2%
Upscale-terma=2%

Dcsplicer
08-06-07, 19:44
Dsplicer,

That's the one and only Lorrane in your picture. :)

LosoThanks Loso,

I bought the video onlne and downloaded it. She put on quite a performance.

It brought back nice memories as she was my first Rio Termas girl.

American Warrior
08-06-07, 20:30
Quedog, how the hell are you broke. You lawyers charge 300 a hour. Can't you get clients.Hell, make a ambulance chaser tv ad.I was being a little smarty with Lorenzo but my attempt of humor is misunderstood. Although I know I am not broke I like VM just as much as the termas. I never judge a monger's choices and to call an area bad is just a personal opinion and sure never be pointed directly at a fellow monger. Bout the tv ad, I was gong to advertise sex adventures in Brazil, just kidding.

Jan 156
08-06-07, 22:49
As Sperto says, it's a personal choice where you like to go hunting. But lists are nice. Here's mine.

Casas in centro 26%
Vila Mimosa 44%
SW and bars 21%
Beach 0%
Strip-club 0%
Help 0%
Upscale terma 8%

Notes:
1.This is based on 101 sessions in about a two month period, so the numbers are closer to numbers but near enough percentages. They relate to where I sourced them, even if they normally work somewhere else.
2. 'Casas in centro' I've taken very roughly to mean 'cheap knock shops'. They breakdown as Uru24 (3), BA113 (1), Carioca59 (4), Casarao (5), Rio Branco 156/1706 (1), BA85 (5), North Centro around Rua Acre (2), Belo Horizonte cheapies (5)
3. 'SW & bars' includes only one dedicated SW. Most of the Nogueira ones are repeats, simply phoned in to my apartment on rainy days and weekend daytimes, and under Nogueira I've include Rana and the local bars in the immediate Prado Junior area. The breakdown is: Nog (19), Mabs (1), Balcony Bar (1). Most of them normally worked in Help or the Boites (strip clubs)

El Austriaco
08-06-07, 23:39
After reading "some" of the fucking report it seems like it may be dificult to determine the non pros from the pros. I am more into regular bars and cafes and the beach scene than into negotiating with GDPs.
Not really all that difficult to determine: at Terraco Atlantico, Help, Meia Pataca, and Balcony (as well as Mabs), you may safely assume that every single Brazilian woman in there is hooking. I say Brazilian because I have seen female foreign tourists getting lost and ending up there, pretty clueless as to what's going on. There certainly may be GDPs in other regular bars and cafes, just don't assume that everyone there is on the program. Of course, you may meet them also on the beach (especially hooker beach) or pretty much anywhere else, but in that case, I'd wait for them to make the first move and clarify their "motives". Pretty easy, actually.


In a report of distinction I read non pros don't want to be seen with gringos in copacabana, where should I stay to meet non-pros, be close to the beach, bars, shopping....
Personally, I wouldn't say that it's all THAT bad in Copacabana, that any girl hanging out with a foreigner will be immediately classified a GDP, but some girls are sure very concerned about even the appearance of something not proper. Needless to say, hanging out with her in front of Help, Meia Pataca, and Balcony will immediately put the GDP tag on her, so no girl other than a GDP would take that chance.

So outside of Copacabana, you could stay in Ipanema, realistically speaking. All other areas of Rio, IMHO, are far less touristy (and more non-pro), but have the distinct disadvantage that very few girls there will speak anything but Portuguese. And while speaking good Spanish might help you out in a pinch, it actually does help much less than one would imagine, based on my own personal experience. In other words, speaking Portuguese is crucial for non-pros.


I'll continue rtfr but a beginers guide to rio's non pros would be nice!
OK, I'll do my share:

1. You don't speak Portuguese, you might very well be wasting your time. Not a lot of people speak foreign languages (including English), and those who do are either a) upper class girls and therefore not likely to mingle with a monger, or b) learned it on their back and are therefore not (or not exactly) non-pros.

2. Invest some time and money into learning Portuguese. Stick to the pros while you are learning to hold a basic conversation in Portuguese. You may even practice with them.

3. Once you feel reasonably confortable moving around in a Portuguese-only environment, go and explore Portuguese-only environments. If things don't work out at first, you still always got the pros to fall back on for a quick shag.

4. Once you start picking up regular girls, don't just ditch all the pros. Once you have gone through a few personal dramas and mind fucks with the non-pros, Brazilian telenovela style, reconsider the advantages and disadvantages of non-pros vs. pros in Brazil. Arguing with a Brazilian non-pro requires advanced Portuguese language skills, so you might not be there yet, linguistically speaking. At least, by then, you will be able to negotiate better with the pros... in Portuguese :)

5. While you keep studying the intricacies of the Portuguese language, don't forget that not all the girls that say that they are non-pros actually are, nor are girls that you meet in non-P4P settings necessarily non-hookers. That includes girls you meet on the Internet, too, BTW. As your Portuguese proficiency and exposure to Brazil increases, you will be better able to tell them apart.

EA

Edward M
08-07-07, 01:39
I was wondering the same thing. I read his two chapters on Brazil. I am trying to figure out what termas he was at. From the pictures and describing going upstairs from reception to the bar and then up again to the cabine I am guessing Solarium but could this also be Centaurus? I would not know about Centaurus since I have never been there.Just looked at their web site and the photos cannot of Solarium unless they have redecorated. The photos show white lockers (vs red on the site) and a mirrored wall beind reception which is not on the site either.

Urcarioca
08-07-07, 02:11
I'll continue rtfr but a beginers guide to rio's non pros would be nice!If you like the street scene and willing to meet "non-pros" (everybody on this board knows that it'll cost you more if you score), i know a few places packed with lovelly middle-class brazilian girls really into meet "gringos" and speaking at least a conversational english (to practice english, getting out in fancy restaurants, etc...):

Cobal da Humaita, Botafogo/Humaita;
Cobal do Leblon, near the Academia da Cachaça, Leblon;
Bracarense and Pizza Guanabara, Leblon;
Shennanigan's, praça General Osorio, Ipanema (on mondays there's the quizz-night and you can join a team of brazilians);

I love the "Feira dos Paraibas" in São Cristovão every week-end, to have a meal and dance "forro", but just like Lapa, if you don't speak portuguese, very tough mission.

Jan 156
08-07-07, 06:00
I love the "Feira dos Paraibas" in São Cristovão every week-end, to have a meal and dance "forro", but just like Lapa, if you don't speak portuguese, very tough mission.

Or dance forro. One of the beauties of dancing is that you don't need any other language except the movement of your body. Some of the girls at Mimosa will happily help you, if you are comfy in that environment. Try the first bar on the right (the nice clean 'TLC' bar at the end of a long passageway) or the last bar (the 'garage'). I've seen less beauties here but I've seen some stunning dancing.

Most of the dance schools offer forro classes but they tend to have quite a lot of explanation in Portuguese. They are also rather 'posh' compared to the attitude at São Cristovão or - another good venue - even BipBip in south west Copa.

You can also try to get forro lessons before you leave but be warned - I learnt from a Brasilian teacher but still got this p*ss taken out of me when I tried my newly acquired steps in Rio. Nicely though I might add . . . ;-)

Forro is a fast dance that soon develops very close body contact. It can get very steamy. The beat is very different to samba. Listen to Brasilian superstar Ivete Sangalo. Very casual. Very social. Ideal foreplay if you handle it well and pick up on signals. (Crotch grinding does not necessarily automatically lead to sex though - unless you're with a p4p anyway!)

I find dancing forro, even at my minimal level, helps to break the ice with groups of Brasilians. Learn the beat and the steps come naturally. Very different to western jive that the gringos in Help like to show off with.

Samba, on the other hand, is much easier to fake, as the man can get away with doing very little. <g>



Urcarioca - thanks for the list of bars - I'll try those sometime too :-)

Brugal8
08-07-07, 14:35
This terma was closed by the owners and it seems that they are trying to sell the place. Great infrastructure for a termas.

Well managed it can do very well.

Any monger willing to invest???

Sperto
08-07-07, 16:58
She told me that brazilians are forced to learn spanish because they are surrounded by it.
Surrounded by Spanish? Not in Brazil.
OK, Brazil is surrounded by Spanish-speaking countries in South-America, but that's no reason for the brazilians to learn Spanish. BTW Portuguese is the most spoken language in South-America.

I really think we need a non- pro section for all the cities listed in ISG.
The interest for mongering outside Rio and São Paulo seems very limited on ISG. I could imagine that the interest for a non-pro section for brazilian cities would be almost zero.

You can search for non-pro's at the popular clubs, bars and cafés. Other hunting grounds are the beaches, streets, shoppingcenters, restaurants, supermarkets, banks, buses etc etc... just about anywhere. If you have any success depends on your looks, charm, language skills, the time you can spend on her and your luck.

If you only are going to stay in Rio you should try the nightlife outside of Copacabana. Non-pro's don't have to be costly. In your case, first time in Rio, no knowledge of Portuguese and no intention of P4P there might be a risk that you'll step on some mines.

Try your luck. If you don't have any success with non-pro's there are lots of possibilities to release your tentions. That is if you can force yourself to pay for having sex with a woman. If not, head to Miami Show Center on NS Cop. I guess they still have their booths?


I also want to go to florainoplois which may be better for me. Will I be safe in these non-pro bars and running around alone?
No, the girls will eat you alive! Yes, you'll be just safe. No problem.

Benjoe
08-07-07, 17:59
This terma was closed by the owners and it seems that they are trying to sell the place. Great infrastructure for a termas.

Well managed it can do very well.

Any monger willing to invest???
The police (and other termas owners) will eat a gringo owner alive. A gringo owner will be paying the police so much money that he wouldn't make a dime. He'd be drained very quickly.

Urcarioca
08-07-07, 23:04
He'd be drained very quickly.Remember 1986 : fucking dictature... It was just 20 years ago!

You're right, if you're not linked with the military police or the civil police, no chance you can open a business like this. And when i mean MP or CP, I mean a high fucking ranked one!

Remember : Exploring (exploiting, whatever...), IS ILLEGAL IN BRAZIL. You can try to make your "sauna", "gym" or your "massage" legal, if you are not "linked" forget about it.

Tommy Boy
08-08-07, 03:18
Hate to change the topic of discussion, but as I know it Brazil has the 2nd highest population of Japenese people behind Japan. Are there any Japanese women working as GDPs in Rio? If so, where do you go? Also, Sperto, what is the Miami Show Center in NS Copa? Thanks fellas.

Sperto
08-08-07, 08:37
I'm surprised I didn't get flamed more for my posts. It took a few seconds for me to hit the Add Report tab. i'm not opposed to p4p it just doesn't do much for me at this point in my life, maybe rio is different.
Barefoot Chap,
There is absolutely no reason for flaming you just because you don't want P4P. "The purpose of this Forum is to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women."

Brazil is a wonderful country with nice beautiful women in all different colours. P4P can be found everywhere and often to low prices. However, what I like most is the easiness of picking up non-pro's.

The first seven years I travelled to Brazil I never had any interest in P4P. Then the P4P came into the picture. My ratio of P4P versus P4Free has gone from 0% to 40%.

P4P is a quick way to fulfill my needs. Just like hunger, thirst and sleep. Today I want a black girl, big tits or a big bunda? OK, I'll take the metro to Carioca. Rala & rola... A bit more than a hour later I'm heading back to Copa fully satisfied.

Non-pro's are also great. The low cost (IMHO), the sex, GFE, mostly reliable, they cock for you, intelligent conversations, great company for cinema and they often has beautiful friends that will flirt with you. Just great as long as they don't discover that you are cheating on them or getting to jealous. A little bit of jealousy is OK because ALL (no exceptions) brazilian women are jealous.

Conclusion: As long as I'm reasonable young and keep myself in shape I´ll keep a good balance of P4P and non-pro's. That works for me.

Note: When I go to Brazil I never stay less than 3 months so I have plenty of time to fool around with non-pro's. If you go there for 1-2 weeks you might want to go 100% on the P4P.

Sperto
08-08-07, 08:53
also, sperto, what is the miami show center in ns copa?
miami show center, avenida nossa senhora de copacabana 493. they have a sex-shop, video-booths and peep-show booths. i think they also have booths with private shows?

i passed by two times. this isn't my kind of place. i don't like to enter a sperm-smelling booth watching a girl on the other side of a window. why wasting money on a peep-show when you can get laid for just about the same cost in centro?

also, i remember when getting out of the booth there was an employee rushing into the booth swabbing the floor. made me feel like a dog that has shit on the floor in the livingroom.


hate to change the topic of discussion, but as i know it brazil has the 2nd highest population of japenese people behind japan. are there any japanese women working as gdps in rio?
i can't remember seeing any japanese gp in rio. most japanese are to be found in liberdade in são paulo. i guess there should be some japanese gp's working in sp.

Mr Enternational
08-08-07, 14:57
I'm surprised I didn't get flamed more for my posts. It took a few seconds for me to hit the Add Report tab. i'm not opposed to p4p it just doesn't do much for me at this point in my life, maybe rio is different. I have been known to hit a mp and after a good massage hose her face down. I'll keep you posted and I hope to get the non-pro link added when I return!

This is going to be funny. I already see it coming. I know married preachers who have gone down to Rio saying the same stuff. But lo and behold, as soon as they pull up in Meia Pataca or Help all of that goes out of the window. Like someone in the Thailand thread said, "It would be like going to Orlando, Florida and not paying a visit to Disneyworld."

Reminds me of my roommate when I was doing grad school work in Rio. He was from some Caribbean island. I would bring back a chick from TA or Help every night. He would be my cameraman but said he wouldn't pay anybody for sex. (He never made a visit to any of the mongering oasis with me. If I would have invited him and he had gone, then I'm sure he would have changed his mind.) I was like fine with me. Waste your trip to Brazil if you want. But what are your chances of picking up a non-pro when you don't even speak the language and in a limited time frame.

I am a non-pro man myself, but I usually tailor how I operate depending on where I am. If I am somewhere where I speak the local language and I am familiar with the culture (e.g. Brazil, Colombia, France) then I prefer to mix it up a bit, maybe 80% non - 20% pro. I could go strictly non-pro but I don't want to be horny the whole trip waiting on a non-pro to get off work or to decide she wants to fuck (not that it's not like taking candy from a baby for me). I like to be in a position where I can say in my mind, "I don't care if you are fucking or not. I have already had a lion's share of pussy before our little rendez-vous." Then too, if I am with friends or meeting other mongers from the board I like to take in some of the sites together.

Now if I am somewhere like Thailand where I can only speak 3 words in the local language then I pretty much go strictly pro. I don't want to waste a trip hunting non-pros when I know the chances are approaching zero.

Whatever you do though, have a good time. If you want to only be non-pro but are not getting the desired results, remember that there is a bottomless supply of pros in little glass containers. Don't be afraid to "Break glass in case of emergency."

Rio Bob
08-08-07, 15:35
Hate to change the topic of discussion, but as I know it Brazil has the 2nd highest population of Japenese people behind Japan. Are there any Japanese women working as GDPs in Rio? If so, where do you go? Also, Sperto, what is the Miami Show Center in NS Copa? Thanks fellas.

Sao Paulo has the 2nd highest population of Japanese people outside of Japan yes.

Through the years I have come across a few girls of Asian heritage in Help that came from Sao Paulo, not many but a few.

The closest I came to doing anything like this was a girl who was half Korean, she told me she lived in Niteroi and worked as a cashier in a restaurant but was doing this for extra income.

Mr Enternational
08-08-07, 20:23
Hate to change the topic of discussion, but as I know it Brazil has the 2nd highest population of Japenese people behind Japan. Are there any Japanese women working as GDPs in Rio? If so, where do you go? Also, Sperto, what is the Miami Show Center in NS Copa? Thanks fellas.

Latching on the what Rio Bob said, if you come across such, then they will most definitely be Brazilian (nationality-wise and culturally speaking), they will just have the Asian physical features from their parents. I have a few friends in Sao Paulo (male and female) that fit the description.

Chris H
08-08-07, 20:59
I thought I saw about 4 or 5 GDP's that have an Asian descent while I was Rio. The most known one is Favela. To me, she has an Asian look, mixed with Brazilan.

Chris H

El Austriaco
08-08-07, 21:01
Non-pro's are also great. The low cost (IMHO), the sex, GFE, mostly reliable, they cock for you, intelligent conversations, great company for cinema and they often has beautiful friends that will flirt with you.
I think this must be the greatest Freudian slip I have ever read on ISG ;)

Barefoot, as always, Sperto's advice is spot on. Like him, when I go to Brazil, I go there for months, and I have been speaking Portuguese for a long-time, so non-pros are an option, though not always a desirable one (possessiveness, jealousy, you name it). Just imagine going to Colombia for a week or two outside of Cartagena without speaking Spanish... would you recommend someone going for non-pros rather than pros? Hardly. And BTW, based on my personal experience, I think that Colombian non-pros are actually easier than Brazilian ones, and Rio GdPs are ubiquitous and still not all that pricey as long as you are willing to explore beyond Copacabana and flexible in terms of where you do them (as many recent posts on VM and not so recent ones on Centro have shown).

EA

Tungurahua
08-08-07, 22:01
Almotu: How many more days will I be in town? Uhhh, tough question. Rio has some nice pussies on the cheap. This is my last chance to tap it before I re-enter the jungle, float to Peru. VM is a unique jewel. A rotting, stinky one but still a jewel. As my travels are wide open I leave the answer to Rio wide open ...

Lorenzo: I was just busting your nuts. Your comments on VM implied I, as a VM-user, had little taste and/or discrimination. Hence the two photos to stir up conversation. As for why a Micaela would frequent VM over the upscale joints Sperto hit the nail right on the head (similar to Quito's high-turnover cheap joints).

El Austriaco definitely summed it up nicely, Rio has something for everyone.

While I will leave the extended story for the next post on Monday night I went to Giovanna's home on the other side of the bay. Feels like I escaped the Batcave after two days. I have to get used to civilization again.

JayHighFive
08-08-07, 22:35
I know this girl who wants to take me to a swing club in Brazil. Anyone ever been to one?

Tommy Boy
08-08-07, 23:15
Thanks all for the reply. So my best bet is Sao Paulo if I want Japanese Brazilian women? Furthermore, where do you go for the non-pros?

Edward M
08-08-07, 23:35
Hate to change the topic of discussion, but as I know it Brazil has the 2nd highest population of Japenese people behind Japan. Are there any Japanese women working as GDPs in Rio?I have never seen one. The closest I have seen is a girl that is 1/4 Japanese named Sayonara at 4x4. 4x4 also has a reception girl that is Japanese but she gets a little offended when guys ask her if they can have sex with her. I have heard that there are very few Japanese GDP in Sao Paulo also. I think it would be great to hook up with a Japanese girl with Brazilian attitude.

Combo
08-09-07, 15:34
About 5 years back, there used to be a very hot Japanese girl hanging around Terraco/Help. But in general, you need to head to Sao Paulo to find Japanese. There are alot of them there, but I don't know where the ones you can pay for sex hang out.

Almotu
08-09-07, 20:52
Here's a sampling of those that advertise . . .
http://www.sexdreams.com.br/acompanhantes.php?oriental=1
Meyre Gueixa is a very famous one who gets rave reviews on the local monger board. She is a MILF that is in her late 30's.
http://www.sexdreams.com.br/acompanhantes/ac001247/index.php
I personally met a very nice mixed Japanese garota at Clinica Antares about 2 years ago. But she is no longer there. You will have some luck at the massage clinics in Sao Paulo. Also you should ask taxi drivers about what you are looking for, sometimes they can definitely help.

Rio Bob
08-09-07, 20:57
Thanks all for the reply. So my best bet is Sao Paulo if I want Japanese Brazilian women? Furthermore, where do you go for the non-pros?

One thing you might want to do is find some escort websites in Sao Paulo and scan for Asians, I'm sure you'll find some. I even remember seeing several on Rio websites in the past but I bet Sao Paulo has more.

I would be willing to bet that this business is not as popular with the Asian descent girls as opposed to non asian types. Otherwise you would see more migrating to Rio for the high season as you do the non Asians.

Flexinbk
08-10-07, 00:25
Hate to change the topic of discussion, but as I know it Brazil has the 2nd highest population of Japenese people behind Japan. Are there any Japanese women working as GDPs in Rio? If so, where do you go? Also, Sperto, what is the Miami Show Center in NS Copa? Thanks fellas.What about Keimy Lee of karla models fame? I know she is no longer with them, anyone know if she's still working?

Tommy Boy
08-10-07, 02:48
All,

Thanks for the info!

Edward M
08-10-07, 06:44
Girls at termas have told me that they are inspected by a doctor (twice a month I think) and they get HIV tests once a month. I am assuming that this is law but do not know. What about low-end termas, escort agencies, Lido clubs, VM, etc? Do they have the same type of regimen.

Bimbo Boy
08-10-07, 07:02
I have never seen one. The closest I have seen is a girl that is 1/4 Japanese named Sayonara at 4x4. 4x4 also has a reception girl that is Japanese but she gets a little offended when guys ask her if they can have sex with her. I have heard that there are very few Japanese GDP in Sao Paulo also. I think it would be great to hook up with a Japanese girl with Brazilian attitude.
In contatos.com.br, there is a special section for "Orientais" : http://www.contatos.com.br/listacomp.php?tipo=orient&idade=all&mod=0. You could try Athami or Thais Okamoto. There aren't many of them though ... and most of them work in Sao Paulo. Regards. BB.

Superman79
08-10-07, 08:32
I met this half japanese GDP at TA last November. She was visiting Rio from Sao Paulo on vacation, of course whoring for spending cash. See below for pics. No nudes. : (. Great Fuck. Nice tight pussy!

Kartango
08-12-07, 12:39
Hi,

I will be in Rio the 25th-to-26th of August.

I need accomodation and a girl. Does anyone know a girl, where you can stay overnight?

Best regards,

Kartango

Tungurahua
08-12-07, 23:58
monday, day 19. sushi lunch, popped into buenos aires 85 for a beer. after frequenting vila mimosa this place is tame! when it comes to entertainment value i get the feeling after rio's vila mimosa even the clubs of quito are going to be tame.

vm by 3pm. little india: this is what vm is to the nose.

the way vm works: the hardcore fatties and oldies are on display early morning to mid-afternoon. a couple of the hotter ones are on display around 5pm. then a couple more at 8pm or so. by 9pm the fuck-festival is in full swing.

there is a blind guy who frequents the place. how he can navigate in this noise is beyond me. obviously by touch-cane and memory. probably knows every girl by voice, smell and/or ass-grab. ... these girls are like counselors, listening to guys talk on and on about their lives, nodding their head, smiling in acknowledgement. chicken soup for the ego and cock. ... guys pruning trees as machine-gun muziks blaze ...

time for a session. do i dare put up some high-risk venture capital on another session with alessandra? i debate. do. confirmation of the trend: a writeoff . she promises forty minutes, delivers twenty, doesn't let me cum, bla-de-blah. she looks fantastic but way too rep001terbrained. oh well, at least i captured a couple good doggie-fuck pics this time. scratch her titties of the list. hmmm, there are two new tight-assed fuckables wandering around. so noted.

also noticed giovanna motorcyle in at 7pm. by 8pm she bumped into me. we grooved to vidtunes. i bought her a flask of cheap wine (2r) as i continued with beer. she put in a solid three hours trying to convince me to go home with her. lives across the bay, past niteroi. she promised me i would not have to pay anything, etc. i trusted her. i knew the deal. i also knew where it was bound to lead ("no other girls", tee hee).

this is day six of vila mimosa in twelve days. i confess: on day four i began to tire of the place. the peculiar comedy of coming to one of the most beautiful landscapings on earth, rio de janeiro, and spending half my time in slum vila mimosa is not lost on me. yet spending time in vm is worthwhile for it is a street lesson. copa-ipanema is a vacation.

i said to myself i want to see something different; vm is losing its edginess. for the very thing that makes it interesting, its intense clustering, is its drawback -- as in there is little room to walk making it repetitious.

giovanna was born and raised in rio, 28 years. as i have seen how a columbian pro lives (vivian) let me see how a rio pro lives. at midnight we walked out of vm, caught a 7r taxi to a nearby bus stand, jumped on a bus, said goodbye to rio.

crossed the bay. getting off the bus, walking to her apartment, the first thing i noticed was how quiet, peaceful everything was. wow. and how safe everything was. usual brick and concrete houses. unpaved roads. it felt like a piece of countryside back home. she has a decent pad. 300r a month. more furniture than i had in my apartment back home. pics of her eight year old son, his father, her family. her dash-hound cleopatra is a gem of a pup.

burned out of hard drinking and fucking, desiring some gentle touch, after some couch time we retired to the bedroom, wrapped ourselves around one another and slept.

tuesday, day 20. in the early afternoon hiked to a nearby shopping mall food-court for fuel. over to a grocery store -- i didn't even have to pay for groceries. how sweet is that (not that i could have, as i limit nightly funds upon departure from my hotel). i stayed a second night with her, watching music videos mostly. the power went out at 6pm for a couple hours. like many people without tv we retreated to the bedroom to pass the time.

wednesday, day 21. about 3pm i said goodbye to her as she exited the bus for vm. she wanted me to return to her place on thursday night. said possibly. with a raging cold donated by priscilla i took it easy for the night.

by comparison giovanna has it a lot better than vivian; part of the reason being she shares her son with his father whereas vivian is left to support her two daughters alone. oddly enough i did not take pictures of giovanna, but i do have three pics of her dash-hound cleo to share.

thursday, day 22. hit vm 3pm. i took no notes of this day. had a session with a cutie named jacqueline, 20. then another slender whose name i do not remember (another sign of vm wear). this second girl went out of her way to please the cock. no giovanna around. left at 11pm.

friday, day 23. 10am ferried to niteroi, walked some ten kilometers along the coastline to charitas. hot, blue sky day. gorgeous walk. those people living in niteroi have it made! beautiful, safe, clean, great beaches, fantastic skyline view of rio across the bay. who would live in lunatic rio when niteroi is right here?! (for rio is only a 10 min boatride away). unbelievable.

returned to rio and, yes you guessed it, vm by 4pm. the men who walk around selling boxes of pastries and cakes to the girls slay me. i don't think a more efficient way exists to destroy these girls' incomes. okay, the handful of guys who shake my hand, wave hi, are proof enough i am starting to be known here. i no longer 'blend in.'

and what is with these packets being exchanged on the tables all the time?! guys riding bicycles into vm dropping off bags containing dozens of nicely folded, stapled packets. perhaps some questions are best not asked. after a handful of beers i spot jac for a second, less satisfying session.

a couple more beers. tired after only a few hours restless sleep i decide to exit vm early. first time ever. i came, i specialized, it's over. went home and had the best, relaxed sleep in weeks.

saturday, day 24, spent on ipanema beach. read the rest of the rio crime & safety section; this board is wild. from lorenzo listening to machine gun fire every night while in the sheraton, to euro100's friend getting carjacked by guys throwing a live viper through the window, to bubba's "apartments that face the favela on ns copa go for a hefty discount for risk of a stray bullet hitting you while watching tv at night." what a city.

sunday, day 25, catching up on items like laundry, burning cds, etc., my room in shambles after a two week blowout.

i am debating on a thursday departure, making it an even four weeks in rio. will scope out a few places in central on monday-tues-wednesday to hopefully find a couple newbies to thrust in.

as i have months of beans and platano before me in the sticks of northwest brazil i am going to stuff my face full of sushi till i upchuk ...

Off Road
08-13-07, 18:57
Hi,

I will be in Rio the 25th-to-26th of August.

I need accomodation and a girl. Does anyone know a girl, where you can stay overnight?

Best regards,

Kartango
I doubt if you will find a girl willing to let a one night tourist stay at her place.

Get one of the many hotels mentioned in these forums, then find just about any girl, she will stay all night with you.

J Ride
08-15-07, 01:30
Hey Fellas,

I've been digging through the threads here on Brazil as I am looking to pay the country a visit for the first time, for one week in September. I would love to have some input from you Brazil-Veterans... Here are my major questions:

1) Should I spend my one week in Rio De Janeiro, Sao Paolo or a combination of those places and elsewhere? I want to see the city sites, maybe a couple of waterfalls, definately need beaches and want to party and monger my ass off.

2) Can I bring a broad(s) back to my hotel for short or long times like I do in Asia or do I have to bang 'em on the premises, or otherwise face absorbanent fees?

3) What's the average cost for P4P (longtime, short-time, on-premises, etc.)

4) Am I going to get the evil eye from civilians if I'm paying for the local wildlife or is it common place enough where I shouldn't sweat it? That also leads me to ask what areas and hotels are girl-friendly?

5) Where are the hotspots for picking up P4P chicks? I like to go to places that are dedicated to the P4P experience like girlie-bars, go-gos, strip clubs, etc., versus sifting through civilians and working girls alike.

6) Lastly, anything I should absolutely do during my trip? And, conversely, is there anything I should absolutely not do or be weary of?

I am a veteran mongerer of (at least compared to many) Thailand and South-East Asia, so if I can answer any of your questions about that region, don't hesitate to let me know!

Thanks,

J Ride

Bad Boy Billy
08-15-07, 02:05
Hey Fellas,

I've been digging through the threads here on Brazil as I am looking to pay the country a visit for the first time, for one week in September. I would love to have some input from you Brazil-Veterans... Here are my major questions:

1) Should I spend my one week in Rio De Janeiro, Sao Paolo or a combination of those places and elsewhere? I want to see the city sites, maybe a couple of waterfalls, definately need beaches and want to party and monger my ass off.

2) Can I bring a broad(s) back to my hotel for short or long times like I do in Asia or do I have to bang 'em on the premises, or otherwise face absorbanent fees?

3) What's the average cost for P4P (longtime, short-time, on-premises, etc.)

4) Am I going to get the evil eye from civilians if I'm paying for the local wildlife or is it common place enough where I shouldn't sweat it? That also leads me to ask what areas and hotels are girl-friendly?

5) Where are the hotspots for picking up P4P chicks? I like to go to places that are dedicated to the P4P experience like girlie-bars, go-gos, strip clubs, etc., versus sifting through civilians and working girls alike.

6) Lastly, anything I should absolutely do during my trip? And, conversely, is there anything I should absolutely not do or be weary of?

I am a veteran mongerer of (at least compared to many) Thailand and South-East Asia, so if I can answer any of your questions about that region, don't hesitate to let me know!

Thanks,

J Ride

You have been digging through the threads on Brazil and you ask this list of questions?

Might I suggest you put down your shovel - pick up your glasses and READ the threads instead.

MOST - if not ALL your questions - are answrered OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

Once you do spend time reading and get the basics, many of these learned guys will be happy to fine tune your information requests - but you WILL NOT be spoon fed my friend.

J Ride
08-15-07, 02:41
You have been digging through the threads on Brazil and you ask this list of questions?

Might I suggest you put down your shovel - pick up your glasses and READ the threads instead.

MOST - if not ALL your questions - are answrered OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

Once you do spend time reading and get the basics, many of these learned guys will be happy to fine tune your information requests - but you WILL NOT be spoon fed my friend.

I have not asked to be spoon fed B3, rather I have asked these questions because it is difficult to quantify all of the information buried in these threads. Often times, I find myself jotting down snippets of information trying to formulate average costs, best practices, etc. My questions here are simple and common place. Further, whenever members ask the same questions in the Asia threads, I never flame them, instead I try and help by answering as many as I can. I am asking members to provide some feedback in a concentrated area versus spread throughout the forum.

I knew there was going to be some jerk who had to climb onto his high horse and call me out for not "digging" deep enough. If I wanted your opinion B3 I'd give it to you. For now, if you don't want to provide information, please keep your mouth shut.

I apologize to the other members contributing to this thread if my questions are being interpreted as me having not researched Brazil myself. I have and will continue to do so; I am simply asking these questions so that you that are experienced with Brazil can help me aggregate the information here. We all use this forum to help one-another and if you are not obliged to do so, that is your peragitive. For those of you that do offer your collective insite, you will help me have a better, more fun, safer trip and I thank you for it!

Thank you all again.

J Ride

Lorenzo
08-15-07, 02:44
I agree 100% with Bad Boy Billy. Yours is the kind of post that drives "Brazil-Veterans," to use your term, up the wall. Every single one of your questions except perhaps the first one, which is a matter of personal preference, is ABUNDANTLY answered on the threads. It's a mystery to me why people expect others to waste their valuable time answering questions for people who are unwilling to put in the effort to seek the answers themselves. As Billy says, once they see you have sought out and absorbed the basics, most veteran mongers will be willing to answer questions about things that are ambiguous, unclear, and/or not yet covered in the threads (very unlikely). Meanwhile, get off your ass and RTFF!

L

J Ride
08-15-07, 03:03
I agree 100% with Bad Boy Billy. Yours is the kind of post that drives "Brazil-Veterans," to use your term, up the wall. Every single one of your questions except perhaps the first one, which is a matter of personal preference, is ABUNDANTLY answered on the threads. It's a mystery to me why people expect others to waste their valuable time answering questions for people who are unwilling to put in the effort to seek the answers themselves. As Billy says, once they see you have sought out and absorbed the basics, most veteran mongers will be willing to answer questions about things that are ambiguous, unclear, and/or not yet covered in the threads (very unlikely). Meanwhile, get off your ass and RTFF!

L

Wow, you guys amaze me... Welcome to Brazil huh. So in order for me to ask a question or group of seemingly beneign questions I have to verify that I understand the basics of a Terma or have done my homework on the finer points of Rio or SP?

See that little phrase under my handle, it says "Senior Member" just like yours. I normally take it that if one of us asks a question that it is reasonable to assume that they have done a bit of homework before asking. However, I don't require proof, but that's just me. I'm a bit easy going that way. Who on earth are you guys to be calling people out? I absolutely despise members that do that. All you do is make others feel bad about asking questions. No one here should be afraid to ask a question no matter how specific, general or redundant it may seem. Further, as I just explained, it is generally understood that if you have been posting for a while like I have for the past several years, that we can probably assume I'm not a complete nitwit newbie talking out of my ass.

I don't know why you think someone is trying to waste your time, because if you are on this board and taking the time to reply to my inquiry then you apparently are not all that busy.

Hearing back from you lame asses really puts a sour taste in my mouth and I hope there are more bros on the board like me that don't have the first reaction of putting their foot up someone's ass because they ask a few apparently redundant questions.

J Ride

Umgman
08-15-07, 03:40
Well J Ride,

I don't have quite the experience that some of the vets have but I can gloss over some answers for you.

1. SP is a city environ and expensive. Rio (Copa) is beachfront and may provide some cheaper solutions that are easier to find. Choose.

2) On average you can typically bring a girl back, but the desk will make you register and pay. There are of course exceptions. Personally, I think an apt is the right way to go.

3) P4p will run you anywhere from 50-200 R ST (avg), 100-400 LT depending on bargaining skill, language skill, and the venue where the chica is acquired. Downtown Rio (I can't speak for SP) has places for around 1R/minute on premises, Villa Mimosa is like 25R for a bang--much has been recently documented about this.

4) If you look white, I think natives will typically assume you are a monger but the attitude is live and let live. If you are overburdened with sensitivity or morality, probably the wrong hobby.

5) Again--in Rio-- Help Disco or Balcony Bar, Termas in Copa or Centro, Strip club /boites like Barbarellas, or Franks or above mentioned places.

6) Go to Marius Restaurant, visit Corcovado, take Cipro.

Hope this helps a bit. It is superficial. The asskickers below are correct about these point being well addressed, but their eyes are closed as to exactly how much worthless flaming and extraneous off-topic bullshit is prevalent among the diamonds of info on this board. RTFF is never bad advice, however. Hope you have a lot of sex.

Umgman

J Ride
08-15-07, 03:55
Well J Ride,

I don't have quite the experience that some of the vets have but I can gloss over some answers for you.

1. SP is a city environ and expensive. Rio (Copa) is beachfront and may provide some cheaper solutions that are easier to find. Choose.

2) On average you can typically bring a girl back, but the desk will make you register and pay. There are of course exceptions. Personally, I think an apt is the right way to go.

3) P4p will run you anywhere from 50-200 R ST (avg), 100-400 LT depending on bargaining skill, language skill, and the venue where the chica is acquired. Downtown Rio (I can't speak for SP) has places for around 1R/minute on premises, Villa Mimosa is like 25R for a bang--much has been recently documented about this.

4) If you look white, I think natives will typically assume you are a monger but the attitude is live and let live. If you are overburdened with sensitivity or morality, probably the wrong hobby.

5) Again--in Rio-- Help Disco or Balcony Bar, Termas in Copa or Centro, Strip club /boites like Barbarellas, or Franks or above mentioned places.

6) Go to Marius Restaurant, visit Corcovado, take Cipro.

Hope this helps a bit. It is superficial. The asskickers below are correct about these point being well addressed, but their eyes are closed as to exactly how much worthless flaming and extraneous off-topic bullshit is prevalent among the diamonds of info on this board. RTFF is never bad advice, however. Hope you have a lot of sex.

Umgman

Hi Umgman,

Thank you so much for the insight. When I was going through the thread I think I was thrown off a bit pricing wise because of the large range in "average" prices. I've been trying to quantify what I may spend on my trip so from what I've read and what you have advised I'm going to run with the higher end of the ranges just to be safe. I'm clocking Rio as my best bet for stretching my monger bucks.

I'm also kind of thinking that an apartment might be a good way to go, but I have only once, in all my travels, stayed in one so I admit I need to research that option a lot more.

Thanks again,

J Ride

John
08-15-07, 04:38
I reached Rio yesterday evening and rented a studio right on Barata Ribiero in Copa Cabana. This studio is owned by an American who has several places in Rio.

From what i understand there are very few nicely furnished apartments with internet in Rio. Since i had to have internet in my apartment i am paying 150 reais per night.

After taking a shower i decided to first go to a terma, and looked at the map the nearest in walking distance terma to my apartment is Monte-Carlo, so i decided to go there. Since yesterday was Monday the terma was quiet slow. The ratio was like 6 girls to 1 monger. That gave me more then enough choice. The choice though kills me since there were mostly 7 to 8's only in Monte-Carlo, I picked up a chica i liked and had a very satisfactory session with her. Total cost 250 Reais.

Since i was very tired, i decided to go home and sleep for a while. I woke up at around 3:00 am and decided to pay a visit to Help. Most of the girls were gone by now, but there were still some 8's and 9's there.

After searching for couple of hours, i hooked up with a 9 looking girl. I tried some negotiating as she started with 300 reais. I told her 200, but she wouldn't go below 250. As this was my first night and i really wanted to have a 9 in my bed to sleep with, I decided to agree to her price.

I generally don't negotiate too much, but i try and keep it in the general price range. In summary the session with her reminded me of my 3 year old trip to Rio. As always Rio de Janeiro Rocks.

For those of you who visit Rio for the first time, i think your best information will come from Bubba boy's reports. Just skim through those 100 pages and i think you will not need to ask any more questions.

After visiting Havana-Cuba, Cartagena, and Medellin-Colombia, Buenos Aires-Argentina, Bangkok and Pataya-Thailand, Guangzhou, and Shanghai-China, Frankfurt-Germany. I still find that there is no city in the world that offers the same experience as Rio.

The F'n US dollar is valued so down right now, but since i am a Canadian the higher Valued Reais don't really matter since Reais appreciated against the dollar about 35% same as Canadian dollar.

I think Bangkok, Thailand and Medellin-Colombia offers the second best Sex Tourism experience in the world. I sincerely can't rate any one or the other any better.

Regards,

John

Dodger Bulldog
08-15-07, 05:04
The asskickers below are correct about these point being well addressed, but their eyes are closed as to exactly how much worthless flaming and extraneous off-topic bullshit is prevalent among the diamonds of info on this board. RTFF is never bad advice, however.Great post, Ungman. You're my hero!

This thread alone has 277 pages in the past year and a half, not to mention the threads on hotels and apartments, general reports, photo gallery, real v. the dollar, Bubba's Guide, etc.

I tried to keep up almost everyday for the six months prior to my arrival in Rio, and there was still information that I never learned.

The eyes glaze over after awhile...

Plus, sometimes a guy might have only 24-48 hours to choose between two or three destinations, and doesn't have a month to study each one. How much does it really hurt anyone else out there if he asks a few questions?

Why not be tolerant?

A little civility and kindness sure goes a long ways. Wish it was more common around here.

DB

El Austriaco
08-15-07, 05:39
Hey Fellas,

I've been digging through the threads here on Brazil as I am looking to pay the country a visit for the first time, for one week in September. I would love to have some input from you Brazil-Veterans... Here are my major questions:

1) Should I spend my one week in Rio De Janeiro, Sao Paolo or a combination of those places and elsewhere? I want to see the city sites, maybe a couple of waterfalls, definately need beaches and want to party and monger my ass off.

2) Can I bring a broad(s) back to my hotel for short or long times like I do in Asia or do I have to bang 'em on the premises, or otherwise face absorbanent fees?

3) What's the average cost for P4P (longtime, short-time, on-premises, etc.)

4) Am I going to get the evil eye from civilians if I'm paying for the local wildlife or is it common place enough where I shouldn't sweat it? That also leads me to ask what areas and hotels are girl-friendly?

5) Where are the hotspots for picking up P4P chicks? I like to go to places that are dedicated to the P4P experience like girlie-bars, go-gos, strip clubs, etc., versus sifting through civilians and working girls alike.

6) Lastly, anything I should absolutely do during my trip? And, conversely, is there anything I should absolutely not do or be weary of?

I am a veteran mongerer of (at least compared to many) Thailand and South-East Asia, so if I can answer any of your questions about that region, don't hesitate to let me know!

Thanks,

J Ride

OK, let's answer your questions in the way you presented them, for what it's worth, and IMHO, of course:

1) Up to you. Sao Paolo is more upscale, as based on most reports, whereas Rio has a bit for everyone. Depends on your mongering style and budget.

2) There are tons of girl-friendly hotels in Rio, and the more upscale ones are not. Business as usual in Brazil. Personally, I prefer doing them on the premises in Brazil, but that's just me (and there are plenty of opportunities to do so).

3) Check the Bubba Guide for current information.

4) No, you won't get the evil eye from locals, everyone knows what's going on. Just be as discreet as you can be, and you will be fine. As to hotels and areas, check the Bubba Guide and the Hotels section here on ISG.

5) As to hot spots, check the Bubba Guide. Meia Pataca, Balcony, Terraco Atlantico and Help should give you a running start, though. In addition to the Termas.

6) There are tons of things to do in Rio, and you should enjoy all of them. The safety section oF ISG Brasil is a good place to start, so check it out.

EA

J Ride
08-15-07, 15:41
Thank you all for your public and private messages. Your feedback is greatly appreciated!

J Ride

Athlete
08-15-07, 16:05
Hey guys!

Rio Dec 27th & 28th.

Floripa praia mole till the 10th.

Then Rio again for one night then..

Buzios! Jan 10 th 16th.

Anyone have any info on Buzios?

Which beach to stay, any termas?

Where are the cafes to hang out at? Pousadas?

SlickdySlick
08-15-07, 16:27
LOL Yep the Brazil board is not the friendliest place on ISG if you are not in the click LOL

I live over seas so I only get there once a year, but let me say this don't and I repeat don't let anyone talk you out of visiting Help!!!!!!!! The place is awesome you can go there party all night go home by yourself and will still had one of the best nights in your life!! Price wise 150-200 should get you a nice girl that you will have to kick out the next day. 300 - 400 will get you a stunner ***** that will be looking for the door while you are still making vinegar faces. IMHO

4X4 is another must do and you can go here not take a girl and still have a great time. Of course when I say that if you do find a girl you like its better. Prices are fixed so it is what it is.

I always stay in an apartment, always girl friend and feels like your space.

#1 have fun, man I am jealous I won't be back until March of next year!!! I have to settle for Bangkok next month. not bad but not Rio either.

Rio Bob
08-15-07, 21:39
LOL Yep the Brazil board is not the friendliest place on ISG if you are not in the click LOL.

Funny and true





I live over seas so I only get there once a year, but let me say this don't and I repeat don't let anyone talk you out of visiting Help!!!!!!!! .

Yeah and especially by those who havn't even been there.

John
08-15-07, 22:49
I completely agree with Slickdyslick's opinion that Help in itself has it's own value of entertainment. If you don't like a chica you still can have fun in help. Just the sheer number of girls at one place has it's own value.

I went to Help two nights in a row. One night i found a solid 9 and the second night i couldnt' come to terms with any girl. Some of the girls in this business have gone nuts and have started asking 500 reais.

Last night i told one girl 250 reais is ok but i want TLN and she just left. Pussy inflation in every part of the world is probably the highest.

Regards,

John.

World Travel 69
08-16-07, 00:44
Search the "Other Areas Section" posts for info on Buzios.
My buddy and I were there about five or so years ago. We could not find anything. Bring your own date.
But it is a nice Beach town and lots to see.



Hey guys!

Rio Dec 27th & 28th.

Floripa praia mole till the 10th.

Then Rio again for one night then..

Buzios! Jan 10 th 16th.

Anyone have any info on Buzios?

Which beach to stay, any termas?

Where are the cafes to hang out at? Pousadas?

J Ride
08-16-07, 01:48
LOL Yep the Brazil board is not the friendliest place on ISG if you are not in the click LOL

I live over seas so I only get there once a year, but let me say this don't and I repeat don't let anyone talk you out of visiting Help!!!!!!!! The place is awesome you can go there party all night go home by yourself and will still had one of the best nights in your life!! Price wise 150-200 should get you a nice girl that you will have to kick out the next day. 300 - 400 will get you a stunner ***** that will be looking for the door while you are still making vinegar faces. IMHO

4X4 is another must do and you can go here not take a girl and still have a great time. Of course when I say that if you do find a girl you like its better. Prices are fixed so it is what it is.

I always stay in an apartment, always girl friend and feels like your space.

#1 have fun, man I am jealous I won't be back until March of next year!!! I have to settle for Bangkok next month. not bad but not Rio either.

Cool bro - Help seems like a pretty popular place, at least on this board so I think I'm going to have to check it out! By the way, if you're going to be in Bangkok for any significant amount of time, why not go to Pattaya instead. I don't know if you're familiar with Thailand, but feel free to ask any questions you may have.

J Ride

Euro100
08-16-07, 02:13
Well, you may be right that the Brazil part of ISG is not the friendliest. And, yes, there are literally thousands of posts that you have to work through, if you do not know what to look for.

But there is help: First and foremost please read the Bubba Guide. Bubba is the MAN here and has collected all the info on Rio that you may ever want. Locations, prices, opening hours, to-do's and not-to-do's, tips on crime and how to avoid being a victim, and on and on and on. Obviously, if you are not a regular in these parts of the ISG, you do not know that. Even even you are pointed to the Bubba Guide, and you click on it, you still have to work yourself through three or four pages of rather uninformative posts before the real meat begins. So there is a temptation to give up. In that case, let me short-circuit the whole chase for you. Here is the full pdf version of the guide:
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=565336
Read it, then print it out, then take it with you to Rio. I swear you will thank me for this information. And of course you should thank Bubba profusely. (I have never met this legend, by the way).

Also, please check the "Reports of Distinction" thread. Some of us take great care to link to very informative and detailed posts in that thread. So if you follow the links there you will get tremendous insight.

Oh, and by the way, once you get used to the rough tone around here, you will find that a lot of the guys are actually quite helpful. ... despite all of the bluster ...

PM me if you have questions that you don't want to post :D
euro

Urcarioca
08-16-07, 03:25
Hey guys!
Anyone have any info on Buzios?
Which beach to stay, any termas?I just love Buzios.

It's not a mongering destination though.

"Armação de Buzios" is blessed with 23 beaches and a downtown street called "Rua das Pedras" filled with expensive bars, shops and restaurants.

IMHO, the best beaches for a stay are: Praia da Ferradura (the billionar one), Geriba, Azeda and Tartaruga. You'll need to rent a buggy car, it's all fun and inexpensive (R$ 70,00, a day), if you want to go downtown by night.

I didn't hear about hookers there, but I guess in january you can find some...
Just go to the Creperie "Chez Michou" and may be you can find some "open minded" girl...

Beware, during the holiday vacations (december, january and Carnival), Buzios is really packed, with prices sky-rocketing and full of REALLY WEALTHY teens from all Brazil, and when i mean wealthy, it's an helicopter, a yacht or a fancy car, and a bunch of money to spend (not my cup of tea).

U.

Buckwheat
08-16-07, 03:43
Hey guys!
Rio Dec 27th & 28th.
Floripa praia mole till the 10th.
Then Rio again for one night then..
Buzios! Jan 10 th 16th.
Anyone have any info on Buzios?
Which beach to stay, any termas?
Where are the cafes to hang out at? Pousadas?Buzios is a bring your own girl. Is a beautiful place but will find the beautiful people with money (Brasilians, European, etc). Won't find many needing the work. Not going to say you can't get lucky but not worth the risk. They do have a nude beach (Olho de Boi) but you have to hike a little and will probably find some fat european white women. I enjoy Buzios but always bring a friend. It reminds me of a resort town. Here is a map. They have 21 beaches and laugh at you if you ask where the beach is. I guess Bridgette Bardot lived in Buzios back in the day and kind of put it on the map. No termas. Pousadas everywhere

Lorenzo
08-16-07, 04:14
Yeah and especially by those who havn't even been there.
I don't have to eat haggis or blood sausage to know that I don't want to. Just having them described to me is enough. :D

L

John
08-16-07, 06:04
Since i arrived in Rio, I have been to Monte-Carlo, 4X4, and Luomo. Monte-Carlo is good entertainment for it's shows, and 4x4 as well has some good entertaining shows. As per girl quality by looks. I would rate Luomo the best. Almost more then half the girls at Luomo today were above 8.5 in my opinion and there were some solid 9's for sure.

I did a session today with a girl in Luomo who also works in Barbarella. The session reminded me of the movie Basic Instinct, she fucked me as passionately in real life as Sharon Stone was fucking in the movie. The girl was also no less good looking then a hot model. All in all aside from this girl at Luomo not providing back door she did everything else as asked. DFK was just amazing.

As per Monte-Carlo, i didn't see any 9 there and many were just about 7. I wouldn't recomend this establishment. Since the price is the same for both Luomo and Monte-Carlo.

If you really want to see the shows i suggest you visit 4x4. The sheer amount of girls in this establishment is amazing. Although, I believe the quality of the girls at this location is nothing to speak of.

I still have to go to the other two Terma's Centaurus, and Solarium. I will report on it later.

John.

Que Rico
08-16-07, 06:09
Hey this is my first report! I am a member on another site for many years and have experience mongering. I'm coming here with an open mind and no opinion the first thing I read disturbs me. I just want to say to you mongernazis. You guys suck! Give the guy a break, if you don't like his post say NEXT! Just like we do in the game. Thanks you very much and I'm looking forward to posting. QR

Chris H
08-16-07, 06:23
LOL Yep the Brazil board is not the friendliest place on ISG if you are not in the click LOL

I live over seas so I only get there once a year, but let me say this don't and I repeat don't let anyone talk you out of visiting Help!!!!!!!! The place is awesome you can go there party all night go home by yourself and will still had one of the best nights in your life!! Price wise 150-200 should get you a nice girl that you will have to kick out the next day. 300 - 400 will get you a stunner ***** that will be looking for the door while you are still making vinegar faces. IMHO

4X4 is another must do and you can go here not take a girl and still have a great time. Of course when I say that if you do find a girl you like its better. Prices are fixed so it is what it is.

I always stay in an apartment, always girl friend and feels like your space.

#1 have fun, man I am jealous I won't be back until March of next year!!! I have to settle for Bangkok next month. not bad but not Rio either.
I gotta agree on the part about HELP. Don't let anyone talk you out of going there. It is a straight party, and you are the bait for the girls. I went every night when I was there in July, and will be there every night when I return to Rio in Nov.

Chris H

Mr Enternational
08-16-07, 08:35
Mosquitos ate me alive! Took my own non-pro. Accomodation was reasonably-priced and pretty nice, with a free in-room breakfast that I enjoyed. It was at the end of August, off season. Restaurants were very expensive, IMHO. Transpo- To Buzios from Rio: van (same price as bus), In Buzios: our legs, From Buzios to Rio: 1001 bus (R18/person 2 hour ride).

Bravo
08-16-07, 14:52
Since i arrived in Rio, I have been to Monte-Carlo, 4X4, and Luomo. Monte-Carlo is good entertainment for it's shows, and 4x4 as well has some good entertaining shows. As per girl quality by looks. I would rate Luomo the best. Almost more then half the girls at Luomo today were above 8.5 in my opinion and there were some solid 9's for sure.

I did a session today with a girl in Luomo who also works in Barbarella. The session reminded me of the movie Basic Instinct, she fucked me as passionately in real life as Sharon Stone was fucking in the movie. The girl was also no less good looking then a hot model. All in all aside from this girl at Luomo not providing back door she did everything else as asked. DFK was just amazing.

As per Monte-Carlo, i didn't see any 9 there and many were just about 7. I wouldn't recomend this establishment. Since the price is the same for both Luomo and Monte-Carlo.

If you really want to see the shows i suggest you visit 4x4. The sheer amount of girls in this establishment is amazing. Although, I believe the quality of the girls at this location is nothing to speak of.

I still have to go to the other two Terma's Centaurus, and Solarium. I will report on it later.

John.


I didnt know that MC had shows! Thanks for the update.

Rio Bob
08-16-07, 15:12
I don't have to eat haggis or blood sausage to know that I don't want to. Just having them described to me is enough. :D

L

Ok now I understand, thanks for explaining. It’s true these types of foods are not for the uninitiated, requires more of a sophisticated palate.

Rio Bob
08-16-07, 15:32
Hey Fellas,

I've been digging through the threads here on Brazil as I am looking to pay the country a visit for the first time, for one week in September. I would love to have some input from you Brazil-Veterans... Here are my major questions:

1) Should I spend my one week in Rio De Janeiro, Sao Paolo or a combination of those places and elsewhere? I want to see the city sites, maybe a couple of waterfalls, definately need beaches and want to party and monger my ass off.



IMHO if it is your first time to Brazil then I would just stick to Rio because Rio has many of its monger destinations contained in one small area Copacabana. The Cafes, Help, the Termas and the beach. As you gain some experience then you can venture downtown or to Villa Mimosa if you so desire. My impression of Sao Paulo is that the monger destinations are more spread out in a very large city and much more difficult to navigate.

Sperto
08-16-07, 16:10
Hey this is my first report! I am a member on another site for many years and have experience mongering. I'm coming here with an open mind and no opinion the first thing I read disturbs me. I just want to say to you mongernazis. You guys suck! Give the guy a break, if you don't like his post say NEXT! Just like we do in the game. Thanks you very much and I'm looking forward to posting. QR
Que Rico, your first report was great and I´m looking forward to your next one. :)

Edward M
08-17-07, 01:11
Since i arrived in Rio, I have been to Monte-Carlo, 4X4, and Luomo. Monte-Carlo is good entertainment for it's shows, and 4x4 as well has some good entertaining shows. As per girl quality by looks. I would rate Luomo the best. Almost more then half the girls at Luomo today were above 8.5 in my opinion and there were some solid 9's for sure.

I did a session today with a girl in Luomo who also works in Barbarella. The session reminded me of the movie Basic Instinct, she fucked me as passionately in real life as Sharon Stone was fucking in the movie. The girl was also no less good looking then a hot model. All in all aside from this girl at Luomo not providing back door she did everything else as asked. DFK was just amazing.

As per Monte-Carlo, i didn't see any 9 there and many were just about 7. I wouldn't recomend this establishment. Since the price is the same for both Luomo and Monte-Carlo.

If you really want to see the shows i suggest you visit 4x4. The sheer amount of girls in this establishment is amazing. Although, I believe the quality of the girls at this location is nothing to speak of.

I still have to go to the other two Terma's Centaurus, and Solarium. I will report on it later.

John.While you are at it you should hit Cancun as well.

Sonhotinho
08-17-07, 09:16
Anyone recognize this girl? I think she worked at 4x4 a few years ago.

DFWdude
08-18-07, 22:59
I completely agree with Slickdyslick's opinion that Help in itself has it's own value of entertainment. If you don't like a chica you still can have fun in help. Just the sheer number of girls at one place has it's own value.

I went to Help two nights in a row. One night i found a solid 9 and the second night i couldnt' come to terms with any girl. Some of the girls in this business have gone nuts and have started asking 500 reais.

Last night i told one girl 250 reais is ok but i want TLN and she just left. Pussy inflation in every part of the world is probably the highest.

Regards,

John.

Could not agree more. Some nights I have left HELP with no chica, but had one hell of a good time taking them for a test drive in different parts of the club, DFK, Feeling her up, getting drunk, and just having one hell of a good time. Glad the exchange rate is getting better. Hope it gets back up to $2.30 or so!.

Dumb N Dumber
08-19-07, 14:19
I wanted to post a warning here for a man from Foligno, Italy. I believe his name is Mario, but I am not 100% certain.

This warning is about a girl I met in Help 18 months ago. It was my first trip to Rio and I read through this site extensively before I went. One of the things I read was stories about guys getting suckered in by a girl promising to be their girlfriend and the men sending them money to help support them. I thought I was smarter than that.

Wrong!! I met a girl there using the name Jackeline or Jaqueline. I’m not sure how she spelled it. Her real name is Jandira E. G. from Belo Horizonte. She was as sweet as they come; so I thought. Well, it took me 18 months to learn the truth, but the woman is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. She rolled me big time. I flew her to a couple different countries to be with me, sent her money, the whole 9 yards. I recently discovered she has been doing the same thing to an Italian guy and is with him right now in Brazil getting ready to roll him for a large sum of money. When I first met her, this guy would call her while I was with her and she would tell me she hated him and he was only a client. The guy would call her 6 or 10 times a day.

When I discovered the truth a few days ago, I confronted her about this and she told me she is only using him for money to complete construction on her mothers’ house in Belo Horizonte.

I have been trying to figure out a way to learn who this man is and warn him. He is about to get taken for the ride of his life. But all I know is that he is a man from Italy. When I left Rio a few days ago, I noticed there are many Italians there right now. I’m hoping someone may know this man and have a way to contact him and warn him. I have a detective trying to learn his identity right now and it is possible I have a lead. But I won’t know for 3 to 10 days.

He may be with her in Belo Horizonte right now. If anyone knows who this guy is and can warn him, I have all the proof the man needs to know she is scamming him. He can send a message through this site and once I am certain it is the correct person, I will forward e-mail messages she sent to me.

I’ll write more about this in a future post, but I wanted to write one final comment in this posting. When I contacted the Detective, he asked me where I met this girl. When I told him ‘Help Disco’ he told me “man, I get a lot of work out of that place.’ ‘Nuff said.

All For Bb
08-19-07, 16:10
I haven't been in Rio for more than 6 years? What is the current rate to go 4X4, 65, Centurus, Luomo, Monte-Carlo, airpoto and help? How much to take a girl back to hotel from help?

Does ATM cash matchin give the best exchange rate, what is now for US$?

I remember in 6 years ago, most therma girls do anal without extra charge, do not like fkk in Germany, girls ask extra 50 or 100 for anal. Is that still true that most therma girls do anal and no extra costs? Thanks for information.

all4bb

Berthold
08-19-07, 18:11
I haven't been in Rio for more than 6 years? What is the current rate to go 4X4, 65, Centurus, Luomo, Monte-Carlo, airpoto and help? How much to take a girl back to hotel from help?

Does ATM cash matchin give the best exchange rate, what is now for US$?

I remember in 6 years ago, most therma girls do anal without extra charge, do not like fkk in Germany, girls ask extra 50 or 100 for anal. Is that still true that most therma girls do anal and no extra costs? Thanks for information.

all4bb

just read bubba boy`s rio guide and you will get all the information needed

Icyhoteric
08-19-07, 23:05
Does anyone know the artist of the title of that damn song that has been played in Helpe and every termas for over a year? I thought it was a club version of Pussycat Dolls "How many times, How many lies". But I don't really listen to lyrics.

I know the chorus is something like.

That you told me lies. And I know that it happend so many times.

I've been trying to download on limewire but can't find it, this never happens to me. Literally heard it in Cancun, 4x4, L'uomo, Centaurus, MC, Solarium. All last week. Inlcuding 5 for 5 nights in Helpe. I need it. Any "helpe" is much appreciated.

Al Zachrison
08-19-07, 23:13
Hi Guys,

I read Bubba's reports and he say's that terma girls are regularly checked for HIV/STD's do you think this is true?

Can I call a terma and order girls to my hotel?

Just wondering,

Thanks

Tungurahua
08-19-07, 23:51
monday, day 26. hit the bookstore for some reads. tuesday, day 27. joined the rocinha and vila canoas favela tour, 65r. apparently they did a census and the population of the rocinha favela is not 150,000 but 60,000. smaller vila canoas is 2500. great views of the favela and the skyscrapers of rio. on a market street saw one kid with a spanky, shiny machine gun. he was probably 15 or 16. i've never seen a gun like that, it looked like it was made of pure silver.

wednesday, day 28. did metroline 2 to pavuna again, taking pictures. at thomaz coelho station i was on the platform snapping a couple pics of the favela to the side of it when a newspaper kid came up to me, warning (for my sake, not as a threat) "don't take pictures or you will be shot." respectfully nodded, then boarded the train to the next station.

hit the south's malls looking for contact lenses. christ, for dailies it cost me $120us for thirty pairs. what a rip. needed to be done however.

knowing the cidade de deus favela is only a couple kilometers away i jumped on the highway express and zoomed by for a look. pretty much looks like every other favela (i.e., a hardened shithole) except it is on flatland, not a hillside. i just had to glimpse the internationally famous favela. the bus continued into north rio to connect with del castilho metro station, cutting through rio's second largest favela, jacarezinho (population 60,000). this one rivals rocinha in size -- you get a great view of it on the metro. it is a monster.

thursday, day 29. hit ba113, ba85 for a look. nada. then, after a sushi fix, popped into my first terma, 4x4. swallowed the 40r entry fee (ugh!), changed into my bathrobe. from all the comments and rave reviews of terma life i expected the place to be a goddamn palace not a piddly nightclub room. the women, with the exception of two, were writeoffs. of the two i would have paid no more than 1000 pennies for each, certainly not 4x4 prices. after two nursed beers i left the place severely disappointed. i expected to be entertained! these are the high and mighty termas?! it was as boring as lesbian porn.

knowing there can be no alternatives to pure entertainment i jumped on the metro bound for eden-ic vila mimosa. unfortunately it too was a slow night. i ended up getting drunk and playing video games, not a single quality screw to be had.

friday, day 30. decided to scope out help's talent on a peak night. left at 3:30am or so. holy fuck, the price of admission is worth it to see some geeks dance. who let the nerds out?!

saturday, day 31. vila mimosa by 5pm. first thing i did was attain high score on the video game aero fighters 2 -- 1,911,306 points. i am number one, baby! now everyone on isg can go up to that game and see the initials tun. my legend in rio is now secure.

whoa, who is this chocolate hottie?! newbie! slender, pretty, good sized tits, small tight ass. dark as night. good lord i need a piece of her. 26r please. monique, 19. let's fuck!

not so great. no photos allowed. an over-actress in the sack. then she turned her bum during flatdog which threw my thrusts off. that is an unforgivable sin. still, quite the eye-candy.

at 8pm or so i wandered over to heavy metal central, a.k.a. gothworld, for an infusion of music. received it in spades. two minutes to midnight, primed with beers and molten metal i made my way straight to the heroine of my cock, angel micaela.

our last time together clocked in at 60 minutes. this session ran 105 minutes. one hour and forty-five minutes: what a session!!

she gave me a big smile and kiss upon greeting. i forked over 26r, ascended to heaven.

what brought my first act about i do not know but i did something quite unprecedented in my mongering career: i ate me some vila mimosa pussy.

it was fucking gorgeous to have michaela bent over in doggie, spreading her ass cheeks with my hands, diving into her pussy and asshole with my tongue. for the first forty-five minutes i sucked on her clit, licked, flicked and nibbled her lips, searched every fold of pretty pink. groped titties, ran my nails down her back and legs. i got me a belly full of pussy juice. delicious!

artisttyp, i would've made you proud, man.

she even let out a few hello kitty farts as i ate her, the scent perfuming my nostrils. she loves me so much.

at 45 minutes into the session i spun her over for entry. because the session was obviously in overtime i handed her another 50r for two more sessions. she dressed, gave the money to the cashier, came back, undressed and laid down for mounting. we fucked up a typhoon.

i was raining sweat by the end of it, lined her up for flatdog, began the slow and steady then violent buildup to orgasm. sailed over the edge squirting my spunk into her, gasping for air, then burst into laughter upon concluding strokes. what an adventure in flesh she is. my micaela.

i used my shirt to towel down, dressed. back downstairs she lights up a cigarette, i give her 2r for some vidtunes, she grooves all over me as guys look on.

and the best part about it? to my astonishment she handed me back 24r in change! i paid 52r total for an hour and forty five minutes with her.

have i told you guys in the last week how much i love vila mimosa ... ?

i wandered back to gothtown around 2am to watch she-vampires making out. negrita (black-skinned) goths. what a sight. harleys ripping up the streets. it just can't get any more intense than this place. vm is heaven and nightmare rolled into the same equation.

at one point i walked to the end of the street where a ped-bridge is to take a look. the bridge was closed off on top. a bunch of metal-heads sit on the stairs smoking. i sat. one girl offered me some pot. i declined. not even ten seconds later two police are at the bottom of the stairs looking for drugs. oh fuck me.

i stood, started walking down the stairs. the one cop tells me to sit down. uh, okay. his buddy is carrying a machine gun. no argument here. thank hell one kid distracted the cops and they talked to him, leaving. i made like the wind too, using the opportunity to melt back into the crowd. it was the first time i have seen police walking around in vila mimosa, usually they stay in their cars.

i can't believe i am still alive. not only in rio but this tour of south america. satan and prometheus truly must have me destined for great things ...

Madd Love
08-20-07, 02:04
To the Dumb and Dumber Post Guy:

Man you should never get involve with these woman. I feel bad about what happen. There are a few good ones but these woman are very scandalous. I learn my lesson a few years ago too. But I didn't send the girl as much as you did.

These girls have nothing but work on their mind and will do anything to drain your pocket or get you to buy gifts from them.

For guys in the future: DON'T BUY THESE GIRLS ANYTHING OR SEND GIFTS.

There are 100's of and 100's of guys each month visiting these girls, and more than likely they are using a lot of these guys for money or may want to marry for permanent visa's to the you. S

There are a few Brazilian woman I met here in the states that I met in Rio said the either had married for a visa and was divorced or is getting divorce. These woman speak a lot amongst themselves. I know from experience and speaking with these woman in layman terms.

One girl I used to be friends with chats with at least 8 guys on MSN chat. I saw it when she turned her computer on.

These girls know you are there temporarily and if it does not work out and another will foot the bill.

Use common sense with these girls if a girl truly loves you she would let you meet her family, and wouldn't be caught up with a lot of gifts and how much you do for them. These girls are in competition with each other showing off things guys buy for them and how much money they get.

I feel sorry about what happen with you and the girl and the Italy guy. If I knew the guy you were talking about I would let him know. Or if you have a picture?

If I had any advice for anyone, it would be don't send any girl gifts or money unless you have visited her and her family enough times to know she loves you. Family is important to these woman and if she invites you to see her family often than you know she loves you.

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Fun And Sun
08-20-07, 02:16
Hey Fellas,

I've been digging through the threads here on Brazil as I am looking to pay the country a visit for the first time, for one week in September. I would love to have some input from you Brazil-Veterans... Here are my major questions:

1) Should I spend my one week in Rio De Janeiro, Sao Paolo or a combination of those places and elsewhere? I want to see the city sites, maybe a couple of waterfalls, definately need beaches and want to party and monger my ass off.

2) Can I bring a broad(s) back to my hotel for short or long times like I do in Asia or do I have to bang 'em on the premises, or otherwise face absorbanent fees?

3) What's the average cost for P4P (longtime, short-time, on-premises, etc.)

4) Am I going to get the evil eye from civilians if I'm paying for the local wildlife or is it common place enough where I shouldn't sweat it? That also leads me to ask what areas and hotels are girl-friendly?

5) Where are the hotspots for picking up P4P chicks? I like to go to places that are dedicated to the P4P experience like girlie-bars, go-gos, strip clubs, etc., versus sifting through civilians and working girls alike.

6) Lastly, anything I should absolutely do during my trip? And, conversely, is there anything I should absolutely not do or be weary of?

I am a veteran mongerer of (at least compared to many) Thailand and South-East Asia, so if I can answer any of your questions about that region, don't hesitate to let me know!

Thanks,

J RideOnly been to Rio once, and while I did plan to go into Centro and so on I was more than happy with the variety of entertainment available in Copa so never did leave there, except for seeing Sugarloaf and Corcovado. Planning a few sojourns into that area on my next trip though, but maybe not experienced enough to have a try at Villa Mimosa.

I would not go to Barbarellas if I were you, did go to check it out and they do have some pretty girls there, but it's expensive and the staff there have a pretty poor attitude. Cicciolina's was much nicer, liked all the waiters shaking my hand when I arrived like I was some sort of high roller that came there all the time on my first visit, so check that Boite out. One clever trick in there, go to the bar and order drinks from there since if you order at the tables they will make the girls' drink weaker, and it's more fun if she gets a bit drunk.

Help is an absolute must-do like everyone else has said. It's absolutely unique, and you can definitely find something doable in there. Girls in all colours, shapes, and sizes, if you don't find anything that is reasonably priced and very attractive, you can always experiment a bit, once considered taking out this one girl that looked like she was 190 cm tall at least, but then found something else instead that night. What I found works there is to spend quite a bit of time with a girl to screen her, but also get across to her that your nice and so on. If she likes you a bit you can usually get a better price, and when negotiating price, don't do it like you are bargaining with a used car dealer. When she gives you her starting offer of 300+ just smile at her and shake your head, say something like "calma, calma" and then let her talk her price down. Don't counter offer until she has come down quite a bit. Also, learn a few portugese phrases like "obrigado = thank you" and so on, it makes it seem like you have been to Brazil a few times and won't be too blue eyed with prices. Also, the question "first time in Brazil" is not a social question from the girls, they are checking whether they can trick you. The question about "what hotel you are staying at is also not social", it is about how rich you are likely to be. Obviously, never admit to it being your first Brazil trip, say it's your second trip and you sometimes come her for work.

Other things on my must do list, one hour in L'Ouomos large suite with the round bed and mirrors on the walls. It's just cool to do it "in style"... Even though a bit on the expensive side.

Another thing that don't get enough attention on the Board (maybe) are all the different escort agencies. Really good for two hours in the afternoon/early evening, and all of the ones I used provided enthusiastic performance. Getting an apartment on my second visit, so thinking of phoning an escort every afternoon to get my apartment cleaned, and also get a bit of "special service"... :) Even thinking of acquiring a maids outfit for this that they can wear "to work" but still undecided on that one... :)

On the evil eye from civilians point, Rio mongering takes place pretty late at night so you won't bump into anyone when you are taking your garota home. Only time this is an issue is when you meet one on the beach that you want to take home for an afternoon of fun.

Have also written a brief report on differences between mongering in Thailand and Rio which you might find helpful. Think it's in the General Discussion forum.

On average cost, at Help I never paid more than 250, mostly around 200. Boite's more expensive, but the girls are prettier, paid 300 for one from Cicciolina, 400 for one from Barbarellas, but that was during peak season just after carnaval. A few drinks and a nice suite at L'Ouomo tended to set me back about 350 in total, but that's not for the whole night. Escorts are 100 real for two hours, and 30 or so for the taxi. This trip will try some of the budget options that are on the Board like the massagems to extend how long my money runs for.

Fun & Sun (Five more days to go until I'm in Rio again... :)

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LocoJoe9
08-20-07, 03:30
This song your looking for is Eamon F**K It you'll find t on limwire there are 3 different version our version girl version and the answer believe I can hear it in my sleep it's over the top enjoy.

Icyhoteric
08-20-07, 04:11
This song your looking for is Eamon F**K It you'll find t on limwire there are 3 different version our version girl version and the answer believe I can hear it in my sleep it's over the top enjoy.I know that song, I'll look for it but I don't think thats it. You sayh there's another version. I'll look.

Icyhoteric
08-20-07, 04:21
This song your looking for is Eamon F**K It you'll find t on limwire there are 3 different version our version girl version and the answer believe I can hear it in my sleep it's over the top enjoy.That's not the song, I know it, I downloaded the girl version.

Lorenzo
08-20-07, 07:36
Then, after a sushi fix, popped into my first terma, 4x4. Swallowed the 40R entry fee (ugh!), changed into my bathrobe. From all the comments and rave reviews of terma life I expected the place to be a goddamn palace not a piddly nightclub room. The women, with the exception of two, were writeoffs. Of the two I would have paid no more than 1000 pennies for each, certainly not 4x4 prices. After two nursed beers I left the place severely disappointed. I expected to be entertained! These are the high and mighty termas?! It was as boring as lesbian porn.
Just curious: what time of day did you visit 4X4? I can think of only two ways to account for your experience. Either you went very early in the day, just after they opened, or you didn't go to the main boite. By any chance did you go to the upstairs boite and not to the main one, just behind the reception desk? Because if you did go to the main boite and it wasn't just after they opened, I find it hard to account for your experience. 4X4 is nearly always teeming with at least 100 babes, most of pretty good quality, although many are of the gangsta variety. It is a true sexual supermarket. So it's too bad you were disappointed, but I assure you your experience was atypical. If you're not totally burned, I suggest you give it another try.

L

Edward M
08-20-07, 13:52
Then, after a sushi fix, popped into my first terma, 4x4. Swallowed the 40R entry fee (ugh!), changed into my bathrobe..You make it sound like you paid the entrada on the way in but you really paid it on the way out, right?
From all the comments and rave reviews of terma life I expected the place to be a goddamn palace not a piddly nightclub room. The women, with the exception of two, were writeoffs. Of the two I would have paid no more than 1000 pennies for each, certainly not 4x4 prices. After two nursed beers I left the place severely disappointed. I expected to be entertained! These are the high and mighty termas?!What time of day were you there? Before 5PM there are less women but no entrada if you take one.
It was as boring as lesbian porn.Based on this last comment I see we have radically different views of the world.

Ezinho
08-20-07, 15:22
Thursday, day 29. Hit BA113, BA85 for a look. Nada. Then, after a sushi fix, popped into my first terma, 4x4. Swallowed the 40R entry fee (ugh!), changed into my bathrobe. From all the comments and rave reviews of terma life I expected the place to be a goddamn palace not a piddly nightclub room. The women, with the exception of two, were writeoffs. Of the two I would have paid no more than 1000 pennies for each, certainly not 4x4 prices. After two nursed beers I left the place severely disappointed. I expected to be entertained! These are the high and mighty termas?! It was as boring as lesbian porn.

Another great report, Tung. It sounds like you arrived at 4X4 right when they opened, at around 2 pm. If that was the case, I can understand why you weren't impressed, even if you did go to the main boite. I agree that it can be kind of lame when they first open; most of the girls aren't there yet, and the ones that are usually are just lounging around or chit-chatting, waiting for more customers later in the day. The best looking girls don't arrive until later in the afternoon/early evening. Also, the shows don't start until much later I believe.

IMHO, 4X4 is all about timing. The best time to go to 4X4 is late afternoon, around 4-5 pm. At this point, most of the girls have shown up, but the Brasilian guys still haven't gotten off of work. Once it get's past five, then it can become a Brasilian sausage fest. Although 4X4 ended up being one of my favorite termas in Rio, I never really liked it at night, to be honest with you. The cock-to-pussy ratio can be unfavorable, and it can get quite smokey as well. Just too unpleasant for me.

I agree with Lorenzo though that you should give it another shot, later in the day. And I agree with you about lesbian porn being boring!

Lorenzo
08-20-07, 18:17
IMHO, 4X4 is all about timing. The best time to go to 4X4 is late afternoon, around 4-5 pm. At this point, most of the girls have shown up, but the Brasilian guys still haven't gotten off of work. Once it get's past five, then it can become a Brasilian sausage fest.
You are absolutely right about this. Another reason to show up between 4-5pm is that if you take a girl before 5pm, the entrance fee is waived. At least that was true the last time I was there. I think management does this to encourage customers coming earlier and alleviating the crowding that comes later. And if you pick one before 5, there's nothing to keep you from staying later and picking another one.

L

Tungurahua
08-20-07, 18:29
ezinho & lorenzo: i walked into 4x4 around 2:30pm. the girls were in the middle of a staff meeting for ten minutes, broke up, rep001tered around the room. a handful came to talk to me. slender, pretty negrita johanna was the nicest of the lot, but i could tell it was all syrupy customer service. very well done mind you but a polished act nonetheless. she moved on to an older gringo who took to her just fine.

i made it a point of trying to stay until 5pm to see the total garota selection, as per bubba's counsel, but i couldn't make it past 4:30pm. the place was filling up with weiners and the thought of being enclosed, bumping shoulders with other males in this disappointingly small, less than desirable setting of subpar females made me bail with a vengeance. i was choked.

i also wrongly had the impression i was buying into a spa like environment. in a small nightclub room what is the point of a bathrobe? i knew beforehand about them. upon entrance, at first sight, it was comical to me -- then i lost my sense of humor.

it was the main boite behind the reception desk i went to. i watched the girls slide down the pole into the whiskeria below.

see, this is my point. i, as a well travelled individual and apparently a hardcore mongerer, find something like hardcore vila mimosa an intense environment to surpass.

it is suggested i am a newbie to be able to enjoy something like vila mimosa. yet in terma 4x4 there was not a single garota that came close to the beauty of vm's michaela. or to the curves of a monique (both of them), or the stunning look of an alessandra. okay, there was one, stewardess johanna.

i flip this suggestion around to read: it is the terma that is for the rio newbie, or the high-roller, where one can pay over-inflated costs for less than prime pussy. in a terma one pays higher user fees for the purpose of a upgraded environment where king solomon wants to sex. same concept in going to a joey tomatoes restaurant to eat pasta for $18.99 when i can eat it down at the local diner for $5.99 -- and the food is just the same, if not better at the diner.

if environment is a necessity, and it obviously is a necessity to many men, they are free to pay more. and then we get into the issue of defining 'quality' when it comes to women -- for there is a different definition for every man.

in my eyes, when the purpose of my mongering fantasy is to scour the terrain for the most beautiful pussy for the best price, which enhances the ecstatic-surreal experience ("1200 pennies to spread a nine/ten?!"), something like the 4x4 terma is paying more for less.

i know many guys when they come to rio are on a week or two vacation, hence they don't want to spend their time in a slum like vm. me, i am not on vacation. i am on a multi-year tour to see the paradaisical elements, yes, but also to see the dark, nasty elements too. vm delivers like nothing i have ever seen -- and probably will never see again. doing an all-nighter on saturday night is brilliant. if it kills me, or something else does further on down the road, so be it, i have already lived the equivalent of a dozen lives.

we all contribute in different ways to the isg board to give a full picture of the scene in each city. obviously my contribution to rio is about adventuring in vm whereas other males can specialize in the termas.

this is my two cents only. not like it is going to have a significant impact on the history of rio mongering, but there it is.

Lorenzo
08-20-07, 19:52
[b]If environment is a necessity, and it obviously is a necessity to many men, they are free to pay more.........

We all contribute in different ways to the ISG board to give a full picture of the scene in each city. Obviously my contribution to Rio is about adventuring in VM whereas other males can specialize in the termas.

This is my two cents only. Not like it is going to have a significant impact on the history of Rio mongering, but there it is.
Tungurahua,

I must say, you defend your point of view quite well, for which I applaud you. After all, reasonable people may differ. You allow me my tastes without denigrating them, and I can only do the same for you as well.

I think your key phrase is "if environment is a necessity..." Well, for me it is. Comfort is the key. You can sleep just as well at a 2-star hotel as at a 5-star, but what a difference in the comfort level! The same goes for mongering. But if comfort isn't important to you, then you may as well go for whatever floats your boat.

I guess much of this depends on stage of life. I did a lot of mattress-on-the-floor fucking when I was young and had no money, believe me. When I was a Peace Corps Volunteer in Liberia in the 1960s, I went to the African equivalents of VM many, many times. But now that I am nearing my dotage and have had a successful career and have salted away a sizable amount of cash, I want to pamper myself, and staying in fine hotels, eating at fine restaurants, and going to upper end termas is one way to do it. To each his own. But I pride myself on the fact that I am still mongering at an age when most men are playing with grandchildren. Like you, I feel like I have lived a thousand lives. I chose my screen name as a tribute to Lorenzo de' Medici, the original Renaissance man. And I'll wager that the original Lorenzo, in addition to being a patron of the arts, got a lot of pussy.

The first termas I visited was L'uomo, and I remember telling friends that when I went there I thought I had died and gone to heaven. I was joking, of course, but there was a lot of truth in what I said. I don't believe in life after death, but if I did I would want heaven to be someplace like L'uomo, although maybe with Mozart's music piped in instead of the loud rock music they bombard us with. If other guys' idea of heaven is VM or Help!, well then, follow your bliss and create your own heaven right here on earth. And happy mongering to all!

Lorenzo

Tungurahua
08-20-07, 22:23
... much of this depends on stage of life. Exactly. Certain values change as age does. Roses bedside, fluffy pillows and clean blankets, classical music gently permeating the air ... are extraneous (to me now). I just want to fuck.

Nice post by the way. Jackson should create a profile page for members, it would personalize membership (to the extent a member is comfortable with). In four paragraphs I learned more about you than previous posts (I have read since joining ISG).

The longer I spend on this board I get the feeling there are some mongers who have lived rich and diverse lives. However, not all share in the ability to pen their thoughts. Yet for whatever reasons, whatever life stories, here we are in the present sharing information on how to get laid. Ah, the oddities and peculiarities ...

Euro100
08-20-07, 23:27
Tungurahua,

last time I was in Rio I hooked up with Christopherd. We met in 4x4, and he had pretty much the same reaction to it as you do. Just like you, he swears by VM. He took me there twice, and I loved it, but not as much as 4x4 or my favorite L'uomo. My friend Routard toured Rio last month, and he went to VM. His words: "euro100, I can't believe you fucked there". So he was not too keen on VM, to put it mildly.

So experienced mongers can differ in their judgement of both places.

If you consider only dollars per f*ck, then VM definitely wins hands down. You seem to apply that weighting very judiciously. To me (and others like Lorenzo) money is not that important. Time is more of a premium to me. And, yes, comfort as well. I like to enjoy a good shower before and/or after the deed. And there VM definitely lacks something. It's dirty, and grimy, and raw. Perhaps that's part of the attraction, too.

Every monger has to decide for himself where he fits in as far as the trade-off between comfort and value, between safety and adventure, between choreographed and raw. The point is that Rio provides a lot for every taste, and the reports on this board help all of us to match the offerings with our preferences ... or in some cases help us find out what our preferences are ;).

I like your posts and find it important that you compare different places from your point of view. Since you are not attacking other people's point of view in your comparison, you are providing a valuable service. Keep up the good work!

Euro100
08-20-07, 23:38
I read Bubba's reports and he say's that terma girls are regularly checked for HIV/STD's do you think this is true?
Let me put it this way: Everything else that I ever read in Bubba's guide was spot on; so I have no reason to doubt this info.


Can I call a terma and order girls to my hotel?
Yes, of course you can. But they will laugh at you and then hang up ;). Outcalls are not part of the terma business. As a matter of fact, the girls are discouraged from giving our their phone numbers to the customers. So if you try to get a terma girl to your hotel, you need to go to the terma and hook up with her there. Then you need to hope that she will agree to come back to your hotel with you. And you need to be DISCREET about the whole negotiation!

Hulk
08-21-07, 01:45
I’ve been a member of this board for a long time now and I have to say that the latest contributions here on the Rio board have been some of the best in a long time. After mongering extensively in Asia, Europe and South America I decided to settle down in Rio and have been living here for the last 2 and a half years. I get to combine a little work with lots of mongering which is a great combination.

I’m decidedly a Terma fan and go to one at least once a week. I’ve been to VM a couple times, but I just can’t handle the surroundings and lack of showers (both for me and for the girls to wash down between clients).

That being said, those who like VM make some good points about its appeal. I’d like to offer some of those VM fans a suggestion in case they have the time: go to Belo Horizonte and hit the Guaicurus and Sao Paulo street red light district. The first time I went to BH (as Brazilians call it) I didn’t like the Guaicurus area, but after several business trips to BH, Guaicurus started to grow on me.

You can read lots of reports on this area on the Belo Horizonte board, but here’s a summary: 200 women in several converted motels ready to give you a quick suck+fuck service for R$10 or R$20. Pay more and you get more time and/or services. Each room has an OK washing facility and there are definitely some gems to be found if you’re willing to walk around. The area is more upscale than VM (but honestly, anything other than a refugee camp is more upscale than VM) but you still get the fun and cheap thrill associated with a cheap fuck.

Here are a couple shots from a recent Guaicurus “programa” for R$20 just two weeks ago:

Edward M
08-21-07, 01:55
IMHO, 4X4 is all about timing. The best time to go to 4X4 is late afternoon, around 4-5 pm. At this point, most of the girls have shown up, but the Brasilian guys still haven't gotten off of work. Once it get's past five, then it can become a Brasilian sausage fest. Although 4X4 ended up being one of my favorite termas in Rio, I never really liked it at night, to be honest with you. The cock-to-pussy ratio can be unfavorablePersonally, I kind of like it when it is a bit crowded. I almost never have a problem getting a girl that I want but when I want to get lost in the crowd and avoid some of my regulars I can do that more easily as well.


And I agree with you about lesbian porn being boring!I prefer penis-free porn!

Edward M
08-21-07, 02:29
I made it a point of trying to stay until 5pm to see the total garota selection, as per Bubba's counsel, but I couldn't make it past 4:30pm. The place was filling up with weiners and the thought of being enclosed, bumping shoulders with other males in this disappointingly small, less than desirable setting of subpar females made me bail with a vengeance. I was choked.Yes, 4x4 can get crowded but most of the guys do not seem to be there to monger. It is pretty easy to pull girls out of the crowd.


I also wrongly had the impression I was buying into a spa like environment. In a small nightclub room what is the point of a bathrobe?The point is that you can hang out in the boite for a while and the girls will reach under the robe and fluff you for a while. When I go to a termas I wil typically drop 3 loads and I make sure I am good and ready before I go to the cabine.

See, this is my point. I, as a well travelled individual and apparently a hardcore mongerer, find something like hardcore Vila Mimosa an intense environment to surpass.You have inspired me. Next trip I am going to hit VM.


It is suggested I am a newbie to be able to enjoy something like Vila Mimosa. Yet in terma 4x4 there was not a single garota that came close to the beauty of VM's Michaela. Or to the curves of a Monique (both of them), or the stunning look of an Alessandra. Okay, there was one, stewardess Johanna.It is a good thing that we do not all like the same girls.


I flip this suggestion around to read: it is the terma that is for the Rio newbie, or the high-roller, where one can pay over-inflated costs for less than prime pussy. In a terma one pays higher user fees for the purpose of a upgraded environment where King Solomon wants to sex. Same concept in going to a Joey Tomatoes restaurant to eat pasta for $18.99 when I can eat it down at the local diner for $5.99 -- and the food is just the same, if not better at the diner.That could be one take. I like the termas (and termas girls taken out) for a few reasons.

1. No rush - plenty of time to fluff before entering the cabine. 40 minutes+ (I always get an hour downtown)

2. Showers - I know no girl is a virgin but I do not feel like sucking some guy's load off of her tits

3. Service - DFK, BBBJ, CIM

4. Medical checks - fun if fun but it ain't worth dying over

Please correct me if I am wrong but I think VM is lacking in points 1, 2, and 4. There is definately something to be said though for quick, dirty sex especially when it is very cheap.


We all contribute in different ways to the ISG board to give a full picture of the scene in each city. Obviously my contribution to Rio is about adventuring in VM whereas other males can specialize in the termas.

This is my two cents only. Not like it is going to have a significant impact on the history of Rio mongering, but there it is.Tungurahua I think you are making a great impact in this forum. You have inspired me to try some new stuff on my next trip.

Piper1
08-21-07, 05:08
Guys

I have a choice of a week in St. Petersburg or a week in Rio in July next year (my work gigs fall on the same dates, so I cannot go to both places). I know it's a long time away, but in my line of work, I have to plan and lock-in these trips well in advance.

I've done my RTFF, and both cities would be great for the the hobby, but I cannot make my mind up. I'm leaning towards St. Pete, as it's a relatively short trip from Dubai (about 12 hours) Getting to Rio will be over 30 hours sleepless travel time (which just about killed me when I went to Costa Rica a few months ago - I spent the whole week shagging while jet-lagged).

On the other hand, I get the impression that in general, Rio girls are much more GFE than St. Pete girls.

I prefer picking up girls in bars/clubs for the night and having a bit of GFE. I rarely go for quick sessions in a salons/massage parlors/brothels.

So, any suggestions? St. Pete or Rio?

I'll only be working, and playing with the girls, so touristy sight-seeing is not a consideration in my decision. Travel and accommodation costs are not an issue, as they are paid by my company.

(I've posted this in both the Rio and St Pete threads in hope of some good advice).

Lorenzo
08-21-07, 07:22
So, any suggestions? St. Pete or Rio?
I mongered in St. Petersburg once, but it was a long time ago, so long ago, in fact, that it was still called Leningrad. So, I don't know how valid my observations are. However, my guess is that it's still pretty much the same, but more so.

When I was there in 1988, hookers could be found in abundance in the bar of every major hotel that catered to foreigners. Many of them were beautiful. I'm sure this hasn't changed. They absolutely refused to go up to my hotel room, because under the Soviet system there were guards posted on every floor to ensure that only registered guests got in. That has probably changed. On two separate occasions, girls willingly let me come back to their apartments and spend the night. Both were GFEs that I fondly remember to this day: DFK, DATY, BBBJ, CFS. They were sexually skilled, friendly, and without attitude. Both girls spoke English, which was a good thing, because I don't speak Russian. From what I read on the Russia threads today, pussy is available in abundance and is fairly cheap. In the Soviet days, the girls were constantly worried about the corrupt police, who would shake them down for money in lieu of being arrested. (I also mongered in Moscow and Chisinau, but you asked about St. Petersburg.)

As for Rio, if you've RTFF you know that this Rio competes with Bangkok for the title of Pussy Capital of the World. I have made 11 mongering trips to Rio so far. Pussy is available in abundance, is reasonable priced, and nearly every contact will be a GFE. I know you were in Costa Rica, and Costa Rica is just a pale shadow of Rio. San Jose is to Rio as McDonald's is to the Four Seasons. So, St. Petersburg or Rio, you can't go wrong in either place.

So I suggest you ask yourself the following questions in helping yourself arrive at a decision:

--What physical type do you prefer. Russian babes are mostly light skinned, many blonde or honey blonde, some quite beautiful with high cheekbones. Brazilian babes run the gamut, but the preponderance are brown skinned, usually not too tall, with large bundas and usually moderate to large breasts.

--Will language be a problem? Russian babes will be more likely to speak some English, whereas very few Brazilian girls will, except maybe a few words. Some knowledge of Portuguese is essential for negotiating.

--How hard will each place be to get to? You seem to have already answered this question.

--What will you do when you're not mongering? (I'm assuming you'll have time for tourist activities.) Here St. Petersburg clearly has the advantage. In addition to the Hermitage museum, there is the symphony, the Kirov opera and ballet, and numerous other cultural activities. Rio has Pao de Acucar and the Christ statue on Corcovado, and that's about it. If you're lucky you might catch a concert or even an opera at Teatro Municipal, but they are few and far between. But it's a beautiful city, so you don't really need to have a lot to do; just strolling along the beach front is an indescribable pleasure in itself.

--What about crime? Probably a tossup; both Rio and St. Petersburg are places where you need to be constantly vigilant.

--Weather? July is winter in Rio, but don't worry about that. Rio winters are mild, and the weather may even be in the 80s. But there could be chilly, rainy days. It is also the off season, which means fewer tourists, and some of the choicest babes will have gone to Europe to sell their bodies. But there will still be plenty around. By contrast, July will probably be hot in St. Petersburg.

--Cost? Brazil is now relatively expensive, due largely to the decline of the dollar. But in the last week the dollar has been creeping back up ever so slightly, so who knows where it will be in a year. As for St. Pete I can't speak first hand, but it is reputed to be cheap. Perhaps someone else can speak on this.

There are probably a few other things I haven't thought of, and I'm sure other mongers will be chiming in. Bottom line: you can't go wrong in either place. Babes and GFEs will be available in abundance. Let us know what you decide.

Lorenzo

Tercar 66
08-21-07, 10:46
Hi Piper,

Emirates is starting direct flight to Sao Paulo from 1st October 2007 . The total flight timing is 15 hrs 30 minutes and then approx 40 minutes flight from Sao to Rio. I will be visiting there on a mongering trip in mid October. I'll keep you updated. I think we have had enough Ruskies in Dubai , Rio would be a good change.


[QUOTE=Piper1]Guys

I have a choice of a week in St. Petersburg or a week in Rio in July next year (my work gigs fall on the same dates, so I cannot go to both places). I know it's a long time away, but in my line of work, I have to plan and lock-in these trips well in advance.

Euro100
08-21-07, 23:28
So, any suggestions? St. Pete or Rio?

I have done both. In my book Rio wins hands down. St. Pete is getting more and more expensive. In Rio you have to be careful about small-scale screen crime, but in St. Pete you have to worry about the Russian mob ... which is more of a worry in the mongering environment.

I like the blond statuesque babes better, if all things are equal. So St. Pete would win big time in this category. But it is my experience that the GFE is WAY better in Rio; so that tips the scale.

Food: I love churascarias. Russia has nothing that comes even close.

Drink: Yes, the Russians have vodka, but the Brazilians make caipiroska with it, and that takes it to an entirely different level.

Culture: OK, the Hermitage is great. Been there, done that. But for me the cultural offerings do not decide where I go monger.

Big bunda is not my thing. But fortunately Rio has plenty of different types of curves. So there is plenty for every taste.

Rio also wins for the general party atmosphere. These girls can dance and wiggle their bunda! Russian girls cannot compete in that respect. (Come to think of it: no other country can.)

Piper1
08-22-07, 10:28
Thanks for the info and advice guys. Now I'm leaning more towards Rio, for a few reasons:

1. Fellow Dubai member Tercar points out there will be direct Emirates flights to Sao Paulo starting October - excellent!

2. As Tercar rightly points out, there's an endless supply of 'Russkies' in Dubai (there are probably more CIS working girls in Dubai than in the CIS!). For about US$136 (full night) I regularly enjoy beautiful and very GFE girls from Russia, Ukraine, Moldova, and many of the 'stani republics. For CIS, it's a fun bar scene in Dubai - no salons. Play a bit of pool with the girls, have a few drinks and laughs, then take them home for the night.

3. I was surprised to read the bar scene is not too good in St. Pete.

4. Rio seems to have more of a party atmosphere in general.

5. That time of year (July) it will be a mild winter in Rio - a nice escape from the stifling 110 heat and humidity of Dubai.

El Austriaco
08-22-07, 22:49
what will you do when you're not mongering? (i'm assuming you'll have time for tourist activities.) here st. petersburg clearly has the advantage. in addition to the hermitage museum, there is the symphony, the kirov opera and ballet, and numerous other cultural activities. rio has pao de acucar and the christ statue on corcovado, and that's about it. if you're lucky you might catch a concert or even an opera at teatro municipal, but they are few and far between. but it's a beautiful city, so you don't really need to have a lot to do; just strolling along the beach front is an indescribable pleasure in itself. lorenzo

i'll only be working, and playing with the girls, so touristy sight-seeing is not a consideration in my decision. travel and accommodation costs are not an issue, as they are paid by my company.
i have never been to st. petersburg, and while i realize that for piper1, sightseeing is not a consideration, i'll just chime in regarding more touristy activities in rio and surroundings, because lorenzo and others addressed them.

true, in the strictest and most traditional (eurocentric) sense of cultural activities, i.e. high culture, rio does not have a whole whole lot by comparison, and what it has is not world-class. the hermitage has a world-class reputation as an old-style art museum, and there is clearly no museum of this stature in rio. actually, where is there, outside of paris, london, madrid, vienna, florence, new york maybe? the kirov opera is world-famous, too, and rio can't compete with that (but again, there is no other latin-american city that can, not even bellas artes in mexico city.) so if opera is high on someone's list (it’s not high on my list when i go to rio, and i am a big-time opera fan), i would recommend teatro colón in buenos aires, actually. churches in rio? none that are must-see visits.

as i have said many times, what makes rio so special to me personally, for p4p activities, is that there is an incredible diversity for everyone's taste: low end or high end, budget or not. imho, this may even be more true for the vast majority of non-mongering activities and different travel styles. in some earlier posts, i described some of them:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=471556&postcount=1168
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=471560&postcount=1169
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=471566&postcount=1170
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=471570&postcount=1171
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=471573&postcount=1172

i just address them quickly here. corcovado and sugarloaf need no introduction, absolute must see's. to round out my top five, i also greatly recommended taking in a soccer match at maracana, a favela tour (where else actually in the world can you do something like that???), and a trip to centro (including lapa, santa teresa, possibly the petrobras building for new architecture and plenty of colonial stuff for good measure).

there are lots of other options: a trip to niterói and the museum of art there, or to paquetá, or even petrópolis, going to the tropical islands in the bahia de sepetiba, take a trip to buzios. the botanical garden is definitely worth a visit, too, especially to get away from the heat. you want to go trekking or hiking? there is a national park right within the city, complete with waterfalls, with tons of trails (not all are necessarily very safe, though vista chinesa is always popular). and someone tell me whether there is any other major city where you can go rapelling, hang-gliding or even rock climbing directly in the city, and i am not talking about half-assed rock climbs, but big walls (not that i necessarily recommend any of that, but it’s all available). all activities that take a day or less. you got more time, i would definitely recommend spending two or three days in angra dos reis. maybe not the highest of high-end culture, but very cultural, most of it, and very entertaining at that. nobody should get bored easily in rio.

and for me, some of the most unforgettable cultural moments have come in places where you would least expect them. i'll describe some of them below.

but first, let me elaborate a bit on something lorenzo mentioned above, the beach. not for swimming, no: there are clearly better options elsewhere. imho, in brazil, life on the beach is simply one of the supreme expressions of culture, if not the most important one. and nowhere more so in rio.

when i think rio, i think world-famous beaches before a stunning big-city backdrop and staggering mountains covered with tropical rainforest within a few miles, still within city limits. where else do you have this combination? and the beach is where everything is happening. it's the natural extension from the living room of hot, crowded apartments throughout the city, where the street meets the sea. it's where brazil lives, and where everyone comes together: business executives and afavelados, young and old, the pretty people and retirees, the tourists and the locals, rich and poor. i don't remember who it was that once called the beach the only democratic institution in brazil (a wise man, for sure), where everyone is equal, truly the only place for everyone.

and that's where you see many cases of how brazilians express themselves on every level: artistically, athletically, personally. you will see soccer (brazil's only true unifying religion) played at pretty much any hour of the day, or an 80-year old doing mindblowing juggling tricks. or volleyball, or a combination of both, futevolei. there might be a beach volleyball competition going on. or maybe just go people-watching and look at beautiful and sensual bodies in the sun, working out. and did i mention the beach art, like some of the sandcastles? and art being sold in the street, like in copacabana or at the feria hippie in ipanema.

here are some pictures:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=471548&postcount=1167

but some people truly push it to absolutely hilarious levels. last year, i was hanging out in ipanema around posto 9 with my mom and my gf when some particularly entertaining beach vendors came by, selling sandwiche natural. well, they were singing their offerings, actually rapping and making up the words to popular songs as they were going along and pitching them to specific people. it was like who's line is it anyway? rotflmao. straight out of comedy central, brazilian style :)

high-end culture? hardly. supreme entertainment for free? for sure.

talking about music. rio might have no wold-class opera house, yes, but it has dance and music galore. rio's favelas are the birthplace of samba, and rio has another big musical tradition, choro/chorinho. rio gave us bossa nova in the early sixties, and now, there is baile funk, brazil's own version of rap music. in addition to a flurry of other musical styles that may or may not have originated in rio exactly (pagode, forró, axé, for example), you will hear them everywhere. no trip would be complete without checking out the music scene. well, if you are on the beach or anywhere near it, you will hear it, anyway.

one of the fondest memories i have of rio is just listening to this five-person band (the typical samba set up plus a singer/guitarist) play every weekend at one of the quiosques in copacabana, about two blocks up from meia pataca, opposite that restaurant with the miró design (i always forget it's name, i just called it miró all the time). just your typical quiosque with a few tables, selling caipirinhas and cheap beer and frango a passarinho and fries and stuff. no admission, you just had to sit there and listen, and that's where everyone came together, the tourists and the locals, the couples and the singles, some mongers and some hookers, some resident families with kids, the street vendors and the passerbys. that's where the impromptu party would break out, and they would keep playing for five (!) hours thursdays through saturdays. they would take requests from the crowd, too, and hardly ever turned anyone down. cost? just your consumption and whatever you wanted to give in the donation jar that was passed around every half and hour or so. i remember this older carioca couple and their kids that i befriended over the months, terribly sweet, and the husband always would get invited to play a set with his own favorites on the guitar (apparently, ever musician and everyone in the crowd always knows all the songs, anyway, in brazil ;), so there was no problem. this guy played the best rendition of falsa baiana i have ever heard in my life.

high-end culture? hardly. supreme art for practically nothing? for sure, for me.

of course, there are more traditional venues. for bossa nova, i always liked vinicius in ipanema (rua vinicius de moraes 39, daily from 11:pm, located just across the street from the garota de ipanema restaurant at the corner with tenente de moraes), which is worth every penny of the r$ 35.00 or so entrance fee, regardless of who is playing (maria creusa, for example). one time, i heard a chorinho band in a pretty upscale place somewhere in flamengo, but for the life of me, i can't remember the name of the place... might have been the champagne. what i do remember, however, is that my gdp that was with me that night got so horny and high on the bubbles that we had to call management, she wouldn't come out of the bathroom anymore, masturbating like crazy. of course, i had to take her to help after that, to look for another chick to take home with us :)

but i digress. for samba, head to lapa, there are a number of places there. watching ordinary brazilians dance samba in their native habitat is just a mindblowing experience. of course, nothing beats carnaval for samba, but i actually liked the plataforma show in leblon, too (of course, except for the stupid audience participation part). cidade do samba in centro is open now for a look behind the scenes, if you want. in addition, there are major concerts of brazil's biggest stars all the time at claro hall in barra (formerly metropolitan, with a capacity for 6,000) or canecão, in botafogo, right next to the rio sul shopping center. and if you are lucky, sometimes even for free (ivete sagalo or milton nascimento come to mind right now) on the beach or with big international artists (rolling stones, for example, in 2006).

for the most adventurous, maybe even a trip to a baile funk would be in order. personally, i have never done it, but the next time, i would be interested, too. not that i am really into this type of music, but i sort of got used to hearing it a lot, initially in the cheap centro places. experiencing 30 girls in oceanic 116 one time screaming the lyrics to their favorite songs (very sexually explicit) and dancing their asses off is one of my most enduring memories from rio, too. or at ba 85, at the time when the filthiest of all the floors was still open, the fifth one (back in 2004) as raw as it gets. talk about culture shock.

probably one of the absolutely most intense things i have ever witnessed was back in 2002, when brazil won the wc, with the entire country erupting in joy and setting off three days of parties, simply undescribable. not that anyone can plan for that, and it was truly a life-long dream come true for me, but let me take this opportunity to say again that soccer enthusiasm is truly in a league of its own in brazil, so if you get a chance, watch a soccer game, any soccer game. preferably in maracana, even more so between flamengo and fluminense, even more so for a championship game, even more so involving the brazilian national team, even more so in a game against argentina ;). so world cup time is always a good time to be in brazil, and if fifa confirms them as a host for 2014, uffffffffff, man, how much fun that would be.

one more tip, before i forget it: the only real museum i would recommend to visit in rio would be the museum of military history at copacabana fort. before someone says… what? well, not for the museum, but for the view from the restaurant outside. you get there, you have to go through the military checkpoint, and once you get to the ticket booth, tell them you don’t want to visit the museum (tickets will be less; r$ 4, the last time i was there in 2006). there is a reasonably priced café and restaurant there, with a stunning view of the entire length of copacabana all the way to leme, with the favelas clinging to the hills above hovering over everything. in my opinion, this is the best view of all of copacabana, because neither from corcovado or even sugarloaf, you can see a lot of copa. awesome place for picture taking or just have a latte or choppe. you can even watch some of the fisherman going on with their trade, or the young surfers right there. unforgettable. if you are so inclined, you may even check out the fortifications and the huge guns that were used to defend the entrance to guanabara bay. not everyone’s cup of tea, but if you are there already…

sorry for the long post, but hope this is helpful to some mongers out there (or even piper1, if he finds the time). and to confirm piper1, yes, there is a huge party atmosphere in rio. i can't conclusively say that it's better than st. petersburg, but even without having been to every place in the world, i strongly suspect that the rio party atmosphere is better than anywhere, overall. they are the people that make carnaval into the world's biggest party, after all!

cheers,

ea

p.s.: on second thought, i wish there was a museum of favela warefare (just to the odern arsenal of weapons used, not the old ones in the museum of military history) or even one on the history of rio prostitution. now that would be culturally significant! i might go there next time ;)

Urcarioca
08-23-07, 03:10
Except Lapa and ost mof the touristic stuff in the "Zona Sul", i may add some places, still in "Rio Municipio", but far away from the red-light zone :

Praia do Pêpe, Posto 2, Barra da Tijuca... A must do: beautiful wealthy girls and nice exotic sandwiches at the Barraca Pêpe place.

Prainha and Praia de Grumari, just after Recreio, on the atlantic coast, beautiful beaches with no pollution, when they shoot a commercial in Rio, most of the time it's there... (there's a bunch of "Termas" there too, someone post about them).

If you like fresh seafood, oysters, crabs, shrimps, etc... Small priced, go to Barra de Guaratiba, at the far end of Avenida das Americas in the West Zone (Barra - Recreio - Campo Grande). You'll spend R$ 50, for 6 dozens of oysters, 10 crabs and a plate of shrimps... That's what i paid a week ago.

Anyway, i'd like to give you some advices about sightseeing here in Rio, but there's a BUNCH TO DO in a HUGE CITY : from Ilha do Governador (GIG) where you'll land, to Barra de Guaratiba = 60 miles... AND IT'S STILL FUCKING RIO DE JANEIRO!!!

SlickdySlick
08-23-07, 16:57
Hey Piper I didn't you were thinking about going to Rio???
When ever you are going to be in Abu Dhabi PM we will meet for a drink and I will bring all the info you need on the Rio end to make your choice I go once a year from over here and the flight sucks but its well worth it!!

FoxesHunter
08-24-07, 10:41
If you are a good good judge os Soth America, can you tell me which is the cheapest country for fucking pros and no pros?
I thank you!

Brazil Specialist
08-24-07, 16:08
Nothing new here. Just thought I'd post the (slightly updated) list I've been using on my mobile phone. Although I can vouch for most of them, there are a few I haven't been to personally. Newbies: refer back to Bubba's and Sperto's guides for more info. There's also several missing (like the 2 N.S. Copa 203/4 termas) and many more to just discover yourself. Update and add as you go along. The map refs are for an old copy of Ruas and should be ignored (excpt for the person I gave my copy to ;-)


~Rua do Acre 35: Club das Danadinhas, [R20/20m] Noon-Mid'nt D9
~Rua do Acre 61: Termas Aquarios, [entry 10R + 70R/30m] D9
~Rua Acre 120 10R 10m
~Rua Alcântara Machado 31 [entry 6R + 40R/20m] D9
~Rua Alcântara Machado 48

Great list. If all that is true, then this is very comprehensive.

I started, 10 years ago, posting such lists, but I admit, I am getting lazy. I would not mind joining some people in researching some of these addresses. Either the ones in know who find the more exotic adresses (where on earth is Alcantara Machado, for example? or Rua Leandro Martins 5??) Or Newcomers, as I still know most of the other places.

I think some of these places are really nice (well, realtively), while I keep maintaining my repulsion towards Vila Mimosa filth and lack of hygiene.

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I used to post how to find more addresses (find the online or paper ads of "O Dia" newspaper. "O Globo" will not help much but has a little.

http://odia.terra.com.br/
classificados
http://odia.terra.com.br/classificados/
under the header "casa" pick the day you like, quinta or sexta is usually best

then "termas e massagens"
maior de 18 anos

which got me here for today
http://odia.terra.com.br/classificados/anuncios/e_sexta_54500.htm

Now you need good knowledge of the fine points of the brazilian language to avoid "quase mulher" and other clues for transvestites.


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Now missing the Copacabana brothels is unforgivable. ;-) the apt 204 is my favorite spot in Copacabana. But all these places are hit and miss, you have to keep trying every few days.



As I mentioned before, Serzedelo Correia and Hilario de Gouveia brothels were closed months ago.

One of the owners took over Clube 22, Siqueira Campos 22, enter at grey awning up a narrow flight of stairs on Serzedelo Correia.Phone 2236 3541. Has drinks, snooker, lots of girls and seems to open 2 pm or so. Starts at about R$ 50 or 60, has real rooms with walls and real beds, though the mattresses deserve some improvement.

As always, there are Av. N. S. Copacabana 583, apt. 203 to the left and 204 at the very end of the corredor to the right (sorry if I often mix up the numbers). The one at the right, #204, has 2 slim young cuties (plus lots of other girls). One is really cute like a button, hard tits and all, but a bit cold. Well, check yourself, they always change. Starting price R$ 50 for 20 minutes, usually they offer gringos only the R$ 70 for half hour deal, unless if you insist. Oh, they add a R$ for condom, which is waived if you have your own. They open early, I think well before noon. The other one, 203, on the left side opens probably after 2 pm or so.

So at about 3 pm, all 3 venues are in full swing, all three are near Siqueira Campos. After you are finished with that, go to eat at Siqueira Grill. Print their 15% discount coupon:

http://www.siqueiragrill.com.br/promo.htm
Rua Siqueira Campos, 16-b
Copacabana - RJ
(0xx21) 2255-3446
(0xx21) 2255-8857

Or splurge on the all you can eat Pizza plus buffet for about R$ 23 deal after 6pm deal, at the restaurant next to it, further from the Ocean.

Jan 156
08-25-07, 05:07
Great list. If all that is true, then this is very comprehensive.

I started, 10 years ago, posting such lists, but I admit, I am getting lazy. I would not mind joining some people in researching some of these addresses. Either the ones in know who find the more exotic adresses (where on earth is Alcantara Machado, for example? or Rua Leandro Martins 5??) Or Newcomers, as I still know most of the other places.


Errrmmm . . . no, it's not at all comprehensive actually. It's just a list I did while trawling that particular area, just north of Centro.

You do not need to join anyone to research them. The boites where there's music and stuff are quite nice to hang out for a beer with a mate if you are into that, otherwise there is little point IMO in going to a straightforward knock shop with a 'mate' unless you are into threesomes with him or whatever. You walk in the door, get laid, walk out again. Just my view - I know others will differ.

Yes, all the ones on my list are true.

If you can't find the addresses, here's some ways:

1.Look back thru the posts and find the descriptions, quite detailed, of how to get there by bus or by metro. (use the detailed search, works quite well)
2.Get a copy of Ruas, the street index, and simply look them up.
3.If you have a bit of Portuguese, walk to the north end of Uruguiana, over the Vargas, and ask.
4.Just get a taxi. Though in my mind it's a bit dumb to spend the price of an a la carte on the taxi, just to get to a nice prostitute who is going to charge you less than the price of the pizza buffet you mention (which I thought sounded pricey actually btw).

Chris H
08-25-07, 06:21
I really thought that Club 22 was very weak. The girls in there are not that attractive and there are better girls to find at MP or TA or just on the beach,and you can get more for your money. IMHO

Chris H

Lorenzo
08-25-07, 07:13
If you are a good good judge os Soth America, can you tell me which is the cheapest country for fucking pros and no pros?
I thank you!
Bolivia, followed closely by Paraguay, for pros. I don't do non-pros.

Mr Enternational
08-25-07, 07:40
That could be one take. I like the termas (and termas girls taken out) for a few reasons.

1. No rush - plenty of time to fluff before entering the cabine. 40 minutes+ (I always get an hour downtown)

2. Showers - I know no girl is a virgin but I do not feel like sucking some guy's load off of her tits

3. Service - DFK, BBBJ, CIM

DFK, CIM? So are you saying you would rather suck some guys load off her tongue instead of her tits?

Pipe Layer99
08-25-07, 07:51
DFK, CIM? So are you saying you would rather suck some guys load off her tongue instead of her tits?

The guy just wants her showered before the deed thats all. So he can suck those mammys. Now if he can wash her mouth out that would help with the kissing.
I can't help but laugh the more I think about it though.
Because I won't DFK a GDP. In fact, I have only kissed one GDP on the lips and it was a simple peck. I have a buddy who will make the girl drink some whiskey before he kisses her. To each his own.

Edward M
08-25-07, 08:51
DFK, CIM? So are you saying you would rather suck some guys load off her tongue instead of her tits?Good point, LOL! However, the girls seem to keep their mouths clean. I usually see them wash their mouth out in the shower after a CIM and I can only hope that they brush their teeth as well. Not to mention they will probably drink something befire they get to me. The world is not perfect but termas girls are the closest thing to perfect I have seen on this Earth.

Kid Cisco
08-25-07, 14:46
The guy just wants her showered before the deed thats all. So he can suck those mammys. Now if he can wash her mouth out that would help with the kissing.

I can't help but laugh the more I think about it though.

Because I won't DFK a GDP. In fact, I have only kissed one GDP on the lips and it was a simple peck. I have a buddy who will make the girl drink some whiskey before he kisses her. To each his own.Donnie D,

LOL you not alone I feel the same way I am not into kissing these women either why? Over a week these girls must kiss/suck at least upwards of 20+ guys on the low end (and guys always wonder why they get sick when they are in Rio) try not to kiss so many termas working girls that could help for starters.

To each his own, I had one GDP that got mad when I kept turning my head when she tried to kiss me that after our session she walk me to the front and grab my face and kiss me on the mouth and ran down the hallway really fast she almost fell down in her heels and she didn't turn around, I just laugh and wipe my mouth off (the women at the front desk laugh).

I thought to myself how so many guys on here would love for that to happen to them BUT not me also I don't even think of going down on these girls (I am not out of my mind) LOL

My thing is just having sex with fine Brazilian women with nice bodies (I save the kissing and going down with someone I have in my life more than a 40 min session).

To each his own BUT I am not into taking some guys 40oz. Of cum in my mouth.

Kid Cisco

Lorenzo
08-25-07, 17:42
DFK, CIM? So are you saying you would rather suck some guys load off her tongue instead of her tits?
Termas girls almost always brush their teeth after a session, so there's no need to worry about DFK. She doesn't want cum lingering in her mouth any more than you would.

Prosal
08-25-07, 19:17
So, any suggestions? St. Pete or Rio?

In Rio for every 1 hot pro you get about 10 average and 50 ugly. Most are hardened faveladas anyway.

Also the ratio of really smokin non-pros in SPb vs. Rio is probably roughly 20 to 1.

In one word it's a fact that there's MUCH more hot (and hotter) girls in EE that in Brasil. If you go to Rio strictly for mongering it's IMO not worth the trip.

Prosal
08-25-07, 19:44
Talking about music.
Symbol on av Almt Barroso in Centro is a great spot to hear a good programation of brasilian rock/MPB (Cassia Eller, Titas, Legiao Urbana, Capital Initial, Skank, ect), especially for the wednesday "noites dos solteiros" - singles nights - which are for us good hunting grounds. Go there early (8pm), many girls arrive soon after their office working day and a few drinks in some happening happy hours bar - like Dito e Freito - in the little walking streets between Praca XV and rua do Ouvidor (Arco de Teles). The ratio in Symbol on wednesdays can be ridiculously favorable until about 10 pm when guys start pouring in. Tuesdays "flashbacks" - 80’s brasilian MPB - are good also.

Ballroom on rua Humaita, in the northern part of Botafogo, has also great cover rock bands on weekends and thematic live music on weekdays (chorro on tuesdays, forro or sertaneja on wednesdays, axe on thursdays, ect). It was my personnal fav spot in Rio, always filled with lots of middle-class chicks aged 20-35 most evenings. I’ve had good luck very very often there.

BTW no "expert" ever mentionned the Humaita and Leblon Cobals (huge semi open-air bars complexes) here. Amazing, as it's VERY popular and really good non-pro hunting grounds.

Tungurahua
08-26-07, 00:00
sunday, day 32. hangover day after an all-nighter in vm. after four hours sleep hit copacabana beach till sunset, rehydrating. a great way to pass the time hungover in rio. noted to myself i have to stop falling asleep on the metro coming back from vm (third time). i caught myself heading back to vm at about 7:30am, having missed my stop two times. composed vm part v in the evening.

monday, day 33. cleaned up a pigsty of a room. as it comes to mind i have talked about death in the last two posts, getting a little morbid, took a second consecutive day off the juice, needing the rest. downed another three litres of water. composed 4x4 response. there is a small fuckclub on the bus route to cosme velho from largo do machado. found it, was closed at 7:30pm. popped into club 176 off the largo do machado square for a drink, one slender garota is here but tied up with a male.

tuesday, day 34. woke feeling fantastic. visited the indian museum (rua das palmeiras 55) in botafogo. it was of minimal interest, displaying bits on only two tribes. the favela at the end of the street, however, is a great visual. it is probably the most vertical favela i have seen in rio.

jumped on the metro for central. way back in 2006 i bought a watch in a jungle town of peru. it was a kid's watch with a pink cat framing the time display. cost me $1.66. i cut off the straps and carried it in my pocket. while on a blowout mongering session in quito my girlfriend vivian gave it the name gatito. he got me endless miles and smiles with the chicas.

well last thursday i finally lost him on a drunk in vila mimosa. shit! the official story is he saw the garota of his dreams in vila mimosa and decided to go his own way. i wish you well gatito, wherever you may be. (fucker.)

so i spent two hours shopping for a replacement in the uruguaiana market. a few caught my eye, causing me to erupt in laughter. but upon discovery of a small green sunhat, with pink-red-white flowers adorning the top, open the hat to see the watch, i knew this was the one. a great steal for 5r.

toured central's fuckhouses. i believe it was rua alcantara machado 31 (10r entry, 4 small chopp) where i met one slender, long haired, tight assed girl. name started with a d. quite attractive. she helped me to drink my beer while stroking my cock. after the beer(s) were done she left so i did too.

not much else around. sounds like a reason for vm. no longer carrying a camera (left in hotel), reducing exposure to theft, i said to myself i can dress down even more now. look like a slob even more. by the time i get out of columbia to head home i will be a complete slob, carrying three switchblades, two handguns, backwards cap, underwear hanging out of my pants. back home, slobbering drunk in a pub, you will find me with drool trailing down the front of my shirt mumbling on about 700 penny wh*res and the good ol' days ... wrecked in and by south america.

by 8pm in vm i noticed three or four mulatto and negrita newbies. despite the hot landscaping i couldn't go through with the sale. i look at their faces: the love just isn't there. i am too tired to care anymore. too many chocolates plucked out of the box to find they taste funny; where is the caramel?

yet i am aware of how these lessers tally up in the face of greater competition. in this case michaela. it happened to me in quito, it's happening to me here too. a superior experience is bound to be met by subsequent disappointments. a correction of expectations must be tolerated.

continuing my walkarounds girls in the rabbit-hole windows like to call me over. some think i am a mute because i do not talk. i stare, smile, occasionally nod my head, to their amusement.

at this point i bumped into giovanna. we spent five hours playing pool, drinking, dancing like jungle monkeys, deliciously french-kissing. upon the initial steps out of vm (to her apartment) she said something and we fell apart like communist cementwork.

"tell me you love me." i stopped. "i don't love you, i like you." this led to a loooong conversation i would rather not recall. in the end we parted ways with her saying "you are crazy!" yeah, i know, it's called honesty. it took me months to train vivian into enthusiastically fucking me and accepting other girls on the side. too long for me to train another pro. goodbye.

hmmm, it is 3:09am and i am standing alone on a deserted street in north rio. found a taxi, hauled my ass out of there.

wednesday, day 35. woke at noon half-drunk, half-hungover. showered, dressed, jumped on a bus marked "circular penha" for the rio nova rodoviária. i was looking for the bus station ... thinking "hey, this is taking a long time ... what the fuck ...!" i realized all too late i had missed the rodoviária ... and continued on for a spine-tingling, hair-raising, up-close and personal tour of favela-land.

i thought i had seen favelas in rio. not this close. along canals were industrial-blackened shanty-streets, huts slapped together with every kind of material. real nasty looking. hungover, therefore more paranoid than usual, wringing my hands i thought "how am i going to turn around?! for there is no way i can get off the bus here, walk across the road, wait for five minutes, jump on another bus back. i will get skinned and eaten alive. the only option i have is to stay on the bus to its end, turn around with it."

i went pretty deep into the heart of the north's favelas. finally a market square appeared at the foot of a (better) favela-hill. i jumped off the bus, spotted a southbound rodoviária bus, jumped on. i was relieved to be heading back south. then the bus turns to take me through new favela terrain. arrggghh! i have seen favela equivalents in many other countries. hell, in the 21st century more than half the world is still a shithole slum. but it is rio's reputation for violence that takes the intensity of this viewing experience to new levels.

after what seemed like an eternity finally the bus station came into view. jumped out, bought a ticket, jumped on a bus for central. this bus too circles a hill and drives through a shithole of a favela, shanty-housing rising the hills. good grief, what the hell is it today?! the tour to end all tours in rio day? people rep001tered over the sidewalks, sleeping, passed out, hardened life-drunks at tables, the last conscious thought they probably had was at age 12.

this favela fades in the distance, downtown is here. whew. checked out the (re-opened) museo nacional de bellas artes; every piece of so-called 'art' sucked ass. bought a gorgeous map of rio for a souvenir (a mere 15r), walked to ba85, fucked hot assed negrita thais for 15r. i've been saving her for a rainy day. loved watching my unsheathed cock disappear into her pink mouth ... oh yeah baby, coat my cock in your spit, ... all the way down ... good girl ...

i chose to blow in missionary so i could concentrate on her pretty cherry mouth. call it a (late-eighties) whitney houston indulgence. yeah, this negrita delivers.

home. as per hulk's recommendation i read through the belo horizonte forum. sounds like a good cheap fuck center to set up camp in for a couple days, rounding out the industrial triangle of sao, rio and belo.

thursday, day 36. laundry. packed my gear. checked out of the hotel, leaving my bag with reception for the day. a final sushi lunch. at noon strolled into ba85 for a second sesson with thais. fucked her mouth, pussy, blew in flatdog.

metro'd to copa. looked for and found the large favela at the back of copa. good view from intersection rua sousa lima and rua raul pompeia. hiked to copacabana fort for pictures as per el austriaco. pulled up a beach chair along hooker beach; one tall negrita with a gorgeous mane of hair stole the show.

metro'd to pick up my bag, bused to the rodoviária. from a rodoviária platform, having a cola, i looked at jesus shining brightly in the night -- as do the favelas on the hills, seemingly reaching up to pull a saviour into their midsts.

rio de janeiro. i have spent 36 days in you. a piece of me does not want to leave, yet i have pretty much exhausted my itinerary here. i have sampled a good cross section of what rio is. besides, i have a lot of miles ahead of me, brazil is a big country, my visa time is limited. i need to push on.

for the record the only thing missing from my person is gatito. (fucker.) not once was i robbed or assaulted in rio. as brazil specialist notes be paranoid enough -- with a touch of luck -- and you can tour rio with no problems.

my last act on the rio side of brazil is to collect my posts for the reports of distinction board under the title "the vila mimosa showcase."

for the rest of my life i can now say i have sexed and dined in famous rio de janeiro. baby, i'm a star.

Bravo
08-26-07, 00:03
Symbol on av Almt Barroso in Centro is a great spot to hear a good programation of brasilian rock/MPB (Cassia Eller, Titas, Legiao Urbana, Capital Initial, Skank, ect), especially for the wednesday "noites dos solteiros" - singles nights - which are for us good hunting grounds. Go there early (8pm), many girls arrive soon after their office working day and a few drinks in some happening happy hours bar - like Dito e Freito - in the little walking streets between Praca XV and rua do Ouvidor (Arco de Teles). The ratio in Symbol on wednesdays can be ridiculously favorable until about 10 pm when guys start pouring in. Tuesdays "flashbacks" - 80’s brasilian MPB - are good also.

Ballroom on rua Humaita, in the northern part of Botafogo, has also great cover rock bands on weekends and thematic live music on weekdays (chorro on tuesdays, forro or sertaneja on wednesdays, axe on thursdays, ect). It was my personnal fav spot in Rio, always filled with lots of middle-class chicks aged 21-35 most evenings. I’ve had good luck very very often there.

BTW no "expert" ever mentionned the Humaita and Leblon Cobals (huge semi open-air bars complexes) here. Amazing, as it's VERY popular and really good non-pro hunting grounds.

Prosal, can you give us more info on Humaita & Leblon Cobals? They sound like great spots to visit on the next vacation. THX

Ezinho
08-26-07, 02:05
Bought a gorgeous map of Rio for a souvenir (a mere 15R), walked to BA85, fucked hot assed negrita Thais for 15R. I've been saving her for a rainy day. Loved watching my unsheathed cock disappear into her pink mouth ... oh yeah baby, coat my cock in your spit, ... all the way down ... good girl ...

Great reporting. This thread will miss your posts, that's for sure.

Just wondering, out of all the cheap day-time places in Centro you went to, which one would you say was the best, BA 85? And any pics of Thais? You can really find some gems in those R1 a minute places. Too bad I was too much of a pussy at the time to take my camera and capture some pics. How things have changed since then!

Keep reporting on the other cities you visit in Brasil, and don't wander into too many favelas!

Tercar 66
08-26-07, 10:50
Can any one adivce me the different means for transport from Sao paulo to Rio . The rates in USD and the no of hours by air,road and rail.

Plato
08-26-07, 12:25
These pages and similar websites often compare termas in Rio and everybody has a favourite. Having previously sampled Solarium – disappointing and bereft of atmosphere on a quiet afternoon – and Monte Carlo – which was rocking on the two occasions I was there – I thought I would try to do the rounds over the four days I am back in Rio to make my own assessment.

I decided to check out L’uomo first on Day One and after eventually finding it arrived around 6 on Saturday evening. The bar and rest room had about 15 women trying to encourage a few punters to stop paying more attention to the football than them.

I looked around the bar and saw a petite very suntanned, dark haired woman aged about 22 with a disproportionately large pair of breasts fighting to get out of her bikini top sitting in the corner while her blond friend concentrated on another punter. I subsequently found out her name was Loraima. Apart from Loraima there was a mix of Amazonian black women and a few others of varying shades from white to rather dusky.

As it was a bit quiet I had a massage to get the tension of the previous 24 hours travel out of my body and give L’uomo a chance to warm up. Suitably relaxed I sat in the bar and had a beer while I considered my options. Loraima, my first choice, was not there so I considered if I should go for one of the Amazonians to make up for continually missing out on the only available one in Atmos in Hamburg a few weeks previously. It was tempting, but I decided to wait for Loraima who wandered into the bar and sat down in a corner. I tried to be subtle and catch her eye, but she seemed to be a bit out of it and sleepy.

After trying unsuccessfully to get her attention I went and sat next to her and apparently the problem was too many tequilas during the afternoon. I thought about giving her a miss because I wanted a worker, not a sleeper. She made a bit of an effort putting her tongue in my ear and the deciding factor was her top box which felt as good as it looked when I parked my nose in it. It took a while to get a cabin, but eventually. After watching one of the Amazonians do a less than enthusiastic striptease in the bar. I followed Loraima down the corridor wondering if gravity had already won the battle with her breasts.

To my delight they were large, natural and fairly firm with equally large round nipples. By my reckoning I had beaten the drop by about two years. She was even more petite than I thought when naked which really accentuated the size of her breasts. Fortunately Loraima snapped out of her tequila hangover and gave me a thoughtful BBBJ to the point where I had to stop her. In any event it was time to see if her lower half was as interesting as the top.

Her little mound was shaved and at first glance the button was rather withdrawn. She seemed apprehensive as I started to explore the crevices and I quickly found out why when my tongue came in contact with a small stud through the top of her clitoris. I took my time and she relaxed. I continued to delve further in an effort to get her undivided attention. I slowly increased the pressure of my knuckles on her top and bottom hole and after a couple of moments she firmly took one finger away from her arse and inserted it in her box to join the other one that had already found its way in there.

I continued to work away trying to get her button to come out, but while it stiffened it was not one of those that want to stand up. However, by now I did have her interest and it was all hands to the pump as she pushed hard against my fingers while her right finger competed and rotated in time with my tongue. This went on for some time and the persistent squelching in her increasingly tight box confirmed she was extremely wet and by now quite excited.

After a long time it was difficult to tell if Loraima had gone over the top or not, but by now I needed to get over the top and quickly.

The old hat came on and I started looking down at her, but soon rolled her over as I came up the final straight. Looking down at her tight little buttocks which had two small butterfly tattoos. One just above the crack in her arse where her suntan was absent. Was too much for me. Even though I slowed down it was impossible to hold back and I blew like Moby Dick. After a few more strokes I pulled out and she rolled over on the bed with a homely fanny fart or two as the excess air made its escape.

Afterwards we both crashed out until the phone rang and then it was time to have some food from the buffet before leaving. All in all with my drinks, massage, cabin and the lovely Loraima it came to 306 reais. Overall L’uomo was quieter than I expected, perhaps, because it was the weekend. Still Loraima made it an enjoyable, if not particularly memorable night. I was tempted to hang around, but by now jet lag was kicking in so I headed for the hills and bed.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Brazil Specialist
08-26-07, 12:49
Then once a rookie friend of mine picked up someone at Help. Of course I was busy with a non-pro for the duration so I didn't have time to hold his hand. She stayed with him well into the next day. When we went to the beach, she went to the beach. She even bought a bikini on the beach and changed into it. I said dude, how much is this chick costing you. I'm sure the meter is ticking. He said that he did not know because they didn't discuss money. I told him that he had better wrap it up because he might be up to R300 by now especially with her being an English speaker. He said that she followed him home and he did not tell her to do anything. I mean he had pictures of her and all. We get back to the apartment and he decides to get rid of her. He askes her how much she wants and she says 300. He told her she could go to hell because he was not giving her 300. She said she would settle for 200. Then he got smart. He asked her if she remembered the drinks and the food that her and her friend had that he paid for. He then subtracted that from the 200 and decided to give her 150. She was pissed and she left cursing....but she did leave!

well, 150 to 200 for the entire night and half day? that is on the lower end of the pricing scale

Lots of guys say they don't discuss pricing and just pay at the end. Surprisingly it works for them. I personally don't like surprises. I am used to ripoff strip joints that charge 80 dollars for a beer if you don't ask beforehand. so I always ask. What if she wanted 800 and settled for 600? would he want a showdown with a screaming cursing ***** who calls police on him?

I always ask beforehand.

Also it is not common to deduct food and other items. Even your girlfriend expects free food. Taking a girl out to an expensive place and then deduct R$ 150 for food is not a common and expected behavior. Maybe if she went shopping for R$ 400, you might try to deduct that

Brazil Specialist
08-26-07, 12:59
Just wondering, out of all the cheap day-time places in Centro you went to, which one would you say was the best, BA 85? And any pics of Thais? You can really find some gems in those R1 a minute places. Too bad I was too much of a pussy at the time to take my camera and capture some pics. How things have changed since then!


Buenos Aires 85 is quite nice. The lowest floor is "clean" and "expensive", costs minimum of R$ 20 or even 30.

You must try the spiral staircase, you will not forget that staircase.

Uruguaiana 24 is quite nice too.

Both have many floors, it is easier to find something nice.


For people who like termas-atmosphere (sit and drink beer) Travessa do Ouvidor 37 (NOT Rua do Ouvidor) and maybe Rua da Carioca 40, Casarao, are nice


Hygiene at these places can be vastly improved if you bring your own towel and a towel or sheet to put onto the bed. extra thin condoms help to overcome covered blowjobs, or search for the boquete sem camisinha (blowjob without condom) girls


I still have not found out how to overcome the total filth at Vila Mimosa. I think one would need to add a rubber carpet for the cum stained floor, a good air spray for the smell, lysol, a bag of wipes to clean oneself without a shower, etc.

I think almost the same of www.2a2.com.br (?), a classy Copacabana couples swing club, but without shower.

Prosal
08-26-07, 14:30
Prosal, can you give us more info on Humaita & Leblon Cobals? They sound like great spots to visit on the next vacation. THX
Bravo

Cobals are bars/restaurants complexes in old renovated markets, great for happy hours and early evenings. There's I'd say 20 or 30 venues in Cobal Humaita and 15/20 in Cobal Leblon, with all kind of food and often live music (choro, reggae, pagode, rock, ect). You’ll see a wide variety of ages (teens to 30+) and social classes in both, nevertheless with a larger ratio of upper class girls in Leblon. It's some of the most popular early evening hangouts for middle/upper class Cariocas, with the bars of Arco de Teles in Centro and of Baixo Gavea (Praça Santos Dumont).

I personnaly prefer the Humaita location, as it's larger, the atmosphere is IMO better, and the girls are easier to approach. There's also nice views on the Cristo, which is highly enjoyable. I don't recall ever running into any gringos in Cobal Humaita.

Cobal Humaita is rua Voluntarios da Patria, and Cobal Leblon rua Gilberto Cardoso.

Hope this help.

Prosal
08-26-07, 15:25
By the way I heard that Nuth has recently opened a HUGE new branch in Centro, rua da Quitanda, with a posh botequim popular for happy hour, a champagne bar and of course a club.

Anyone has already been in this place ?

Tiradentes
08-26-07, 15:40
Can any one adivce me the different means for transport from Sao paulo to Rio . The rates in USD and the no of hours by air,road and rail.Tercar,

Flying on brazilian airlines , as far as I am concerned-and sorry to say that, is a death wish.

The best, safest, and easiest way to get from Rio to SP is by bus.

They have a great schedule ( a bus an hour?), it is a 6 hr trip (with a 30 minutes stop along the way in a great rest stop) and cost 60 Reails (ie $ 30) one way.

Check this link for schedule: Use the Itapemirim / Penha company.

http://www2.uol.com.br/mochilabrasil/busaorj.shtml

PS: a bus staion in brazil is called 'Rodoviara'

Sperto
08-26-07, 15:46
Can any one adivce me the different means for transport from Sao paulo to Rio . The rates in USD and the no of hours by air,road and rail.
Air: 1 hour.
Bus: 6 hours, R$ 60-75 (some parts have a very nice scenery).
Rail: not an option.

Edward M
08-26-07, 17:00
well, 150 to 200 for the entire night and half day? that is on the lower end of the pricing scale

Lots of guys say they don't discuss pricing and just pay at the end. Surprisingly it works for them. I personally don't like surprises. I am used to ripoff strip joints that charge 80 dollars for a beer if you don't ask beforehand. so I always ask. What if she wanted 800 and settled for 600? would he want a showdown with a screaming cursing ***** who calls police on him?

I always ask beforehand.

Also it is not common to deduct food and other items. Even your girlfriend expects free food. Taking a girl out to an expensive place and then deduct R$ 150 for food is not a common and expected behavior. Maybe if she went shopping for R$ 400, you might try to deduct thatI have gone shopping with a few termas girls. The first time I was scared that I was going to get a bill but they always just whipped out their cards to pay at then end. Another time I ran into a girl at a kilo place and she invited me to sit with her. She automatically paid her own bill at the end. This is quite refreshing compared to American girls. Sometimes even casual acquaintences there want me to pay for everything. Does the phrase, "Do I need to bring my purse for anything? " sound familiar?

As for the guy that decided only to pay 150 at the end, I was told by a garota once that she hates leaving Help with Brazilians because they know that legally you really do not have to pay a girl and some guys just choose not to. Personally, I always want to settle the price beforehand but one time at the Chicago Club in TJ I went with a girl that told me I could pay her whatever I thought was fair afterwards. Since I already knew her (she helped arrange a few sessions with her friend that officially did not go with guys, only danced) I agreed and I think I paid her $50 which she was very happy with and gave me her cell number and hotel address.

Nrlmus
08-26-07, 18:01
Hello fellow mongers,

Will be returning to Brazil for 3-5 months after 3 years of absence. I hear a lot has changed including the prices. Planning to stay one month in Rio and then slowly head up North towards Macapa. Also I will post a lot while in Brazil, I always do.

But for now, I was wondering if anyone could throw me a bone, and recommend a pretty college-girl GFE programma completa? I'm fine with Portuguese - she doesn't need to speak English but should be a college girl with the interests and long-term goals other then cutting hair.

Back in the old times I used to hang out with Vanessa, a poster reprint of Natalie Merchant of 10,000 Maniacs fame, who was studying acting and was heavily into Jerry Seinfeld but she is now gone.

Help! (not the name of disco like really help :))

Rastaman
08-26-07, 21:09
By the way I heard that Nuth has recently opened a HUGE new branch in Centro, rua da Quitanda, with a posh botequim highly popular for happy hour, a champagne bar and of course a club.

Anyone has already been in this place ?Nuth Centro info:

http://www.guiadasemana.com.br/detail.asp?/Nuth_Centro/NOITE/RIO_DE_JANEIRO/&a=1&ID=8&cd_place=24878&cd_city=36

Jan 156
08-26-07, 22:02
well, 150 to 200 for the entire night and half day? that is on the lower end of the pricing scaleIt's down to negotiation. If she likes you she may stay that long for 100. I have one or two girls who will.


Even your girlfriend expects free food.I don't mind paying for food in Brasil. I hate doing it in America. In Britain we've moved beyond that and it varies. If I earn more than my date I try to pay more. If a girl expects me to pay for everything then she is treating herself as an object and it turns me off. Needless to say I rarely date Americans, but no need to generalise about girlfriends worldwide. Some of them are real people and know how to behave as an equal.

Off Road
08-27-07, 16:44
Is anyone familiar with the bus line Expresso Brasileiro? I think they have an executive bus. My Ex told me this is a very nice bus to and from Sao Paulo. Cant find a web site for them..

RioFavelaboy
08-27-07, 19:18
Is anyone familiar with the bus line Expresso Brasileiro? I think they have an executive bus. My Ex told me this is a very nice bus to and from Sao Paulo. Cant find a web site for them..Off Road. I've taken that trip before, Sao Paulo to Rio by bus but it was with another company (1001) the ride was very comfortable they had reclining seats with TV video movies playing, whole trip took about 4 1/2 hours to downtown centro rio.

Overall it was a comfortable ride.

The cost was about R$60.00

I posted a photo of the Bus about a month ago here is the post
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=76088

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=76089

Sperto
08-27-07, 21:45
Is anyone familiar with the bus line Expresso Brasileiro? I think they have an executive bus. My Ex told me this is a very nice bus to and from Sao Paulo. Cant find a web site for them..
It was hard work finding their website. ;)
http://www.expressobrasileiro.com

Markfromky
08-29-07, 17:59
I would like to thank all of you fellow mongers for the info you provided on this site. I returned from Rio Monday morning, and I can say this has been one of my best vacations ever. This was my second trip to Rio, and by far the best. I got the nerve to go to VM, and if you can stand the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) smell, the loudest music in the world, then this is the place for you. The girls range from two's to eight's, but for 10 or 15 bucks, who can complain. I went to Cancun the day before VM, and although the girls there were extremely hot, and my session was very good, after my experience with VM, I can honestly say that these Termas's are a waste of money. Oh, if you do want to go to Cancun, It's nice, I sessioned with a girl named Luna. She does everything, and works really hard to please. I can tell she is very popular there. I went to 4x4 also, because we have some friends there that will come to our place and not charge much, or nothing for the night after. There, I recommend a hot blond named Angelica. Although she is not the one that doesn't charge, I won't mention their names because they will charge everyone else. Angelica has a perfect body, and a beautiful face. We also picked up some girls from Balcony. Now these girls are not top of the line, but most are good honest girls who will do what it takes to show you a good time. My buddy had an extremely hot girl, but she rarely works anymore, and we have a few emails for many GDP's that know each other, and he put his order in for her a few days before we left. My girl is cute, I would say a 6, and has huge tits, but is kind of lackluster in the sack. I like her because she can almost drink as much as me, and is very fun to hang out with. Well I will add some pics of a couple girls without faces in the pics forum, but I don't add the pics with faces. I have no problem with those who do, but I like these girls, they are good people, and many have lives outside of prostitution. So, once again thank you and enjoy the pics.

Off Road
08-30-07, 13:57
It was hard work finding their website. ;)
http://www.expressobrasileiro.com
sometimes the frotal attack works best.. searching was fruitless for me.. Sadly their site did not have schedules, but I think they leave on the hour..
thanks..

Bofaleh
08-31-07, 01:46
Hi all and thanks for ur valuable information. I have to get all the information needed but still couldn’t get them all I hope one can spear some time and write small report answering my questions plz .

I am planning to go to rio - Copacabana in October we are 4 and will stay for 10 days. (should we stay longer  )

- How is the weather during this time is there any sunny is it possible to swim or its rainy and cloudy.

-What is the best place to stay in hotel I mean I heard near sofital is the best place.

- How to get girls over there and how much in us $ and how long do they stay. Is it possible to get from discos or better from escort agencies (what is the difference)? We like girls to stay all night or even better for all the day (like Thailand) is it possible how much where is the best places.

- Are hotels girls friendly? Or some of them (I don’t like motels idea) can I get girls to my hotels or they don’t allowed.

- Where is the best place to hang out during the night?

- Girls on the beach are we possible to get them or not.

- What is the best trips we should go for

- Is it un safe there should we worry in the night and only stay in the beach side or we can go around.

- How much dose it cost usually if u are planning to do every thing

- What is the cost in us $ for drinks inside bars and discos and are there any entrance fees

Plz try to take the time to answer ur desperate friends

Pelicano
08-31-07, 11:01
sometimes the frotal attack works best.. searching was fruitless for me.. Sadly their site did not have schedules, but I think they leave on the hour..
thanks..One can find the schedules of buses leaving from Rodoviaria Novo rio at:

http://www.novorio.com.br/

Trippleecks
08-31-07, 12:40
Bofaleh .... It's best to take the time and READ this forum before you ask questions that have been asked and answered time and time again....

Berthold
08-31-07, 12:45
Hi all and thanks for ur valuable information. I have to get all the information needed but still couldn’t get them all I hope one can spear some time and write small report answering my questions plz .

I am planning to go to rio - Copacabana in October we are 4 and will stay for 10 days. (should we stay longer  )

- How is the weather during this time is there any sunny is it possible to swim or its rainy and cloudy.

-What is the best place to stay in hotel I mean I heard near sofital is the best place.

- How to get girls over there and how much in us $ and how long do they stay. Is it possible to get from discos or better from escort agencies (what is the difference)? We like girls to stay all night or even better for all the day (like Thailand) is it possible how much where is the best places.

- Are hotels girls friendly? Or some of them (I don’t like motels idea) can I get girls to my hotels or they don’t allowed.

- Where is the best place to hang out during the night?

- Girls on the beach are we possible to get them or not.

- What is the best trips we should go for

- Is it un safe there should we worry in the night and only stay in the beach side or we can go around.

- How much dose it cost usually if u are planning to do every thing

- What is the cost in us $ for drinks inside bars and discos and are there any entrance fees

Plz try to take the time to answer ur desperate friends

Just read bubba boy`s rio guide and you will get all the information needed.

Rio Bob
08-31-07, 12:48
- How is the weather during this time is there any sunny is it possible to swim or its rainy and cloudy. Should be sunny, November is late spring, should be good beach weather

- Are hotels girls friendly? Or some of them (I don’t like motels idea) can I get girls to my hotels or they don’t allowed. Some allow and some do not. Best to get an apartment, you have more freedom

- Where is the best place to hang out during the night? Help Disco on Ave Atlantica in Copacabana

- Girls on the beach are we possible to get them or not. Yes in front of the othon Palace hotel, it's called Ho beach, many Pros hang out there. If you do not speak Portuguese it will be difficult to pick up non pros

- Is it un safe there should we worry in the night and only stay in the beach side or we can go around. Worry, be careful, take taxi cabs at night but you should be OK, don't flash cash or jewelry, be low key

- What is the cost in us $ for drinks inside bars and discos and are there any entrance fees About $5 for hard liquor, $3 for a beer, most have entrance fees, Help disco I think is about $18


My answers in Red

Mangera
08-31-07, 12:49
Hi all and thanks for ur valuable information. I have to get all the information needed but still couldn’t get them all I hope one can spear some time and write small report answering my questions plz .

I am planning to go to rio - Copacabana in October we are 4 and will stay for 10 days. (should we stay longer  )

- How is the weather during this time is there any sunny is it possible to swim or its rainy and cloudy.

-What is the best place to stay in hotel I mean I heard near sofital is the best place.

- How to get girls over there and how much in us $ and how long do they stay. Is it possible to get from discos or better from escort agencies (what is the difference)? We like girls to stay all night or even better for all the day (like Thailand) is it possible how much where is the best places.

- Are hotels girls friendly? Or some of them (I don’t like motels idea) can I get girls to my hotels or they don’t allowed.

- Where is the best place to hang out during the night?

- Girls on the beach are we possible to get them or not.

- What is the best trips we should go for

- Is it un safe there should we worry in the night and only stay in the beach side or we can go around.

- How much dose it cost usually if u are planning to do every thing

- What is the cost in us $ for drinks inside bars and discos and are there any entrance fees

Plz try to take the time to answer ur desperate friends

Do your homework. Read Bubba's Guide

Tungurahua
08-31-07, 21:23
out of all the cheap day-time places in Centro you went to, which one would you say was the best, BA 85? And any pics of Thais? E: Brazil Specialist mirrors my take, BA85 and Uruguaiana 24 are the nicer ones. I never did hunt down all of Christopherd's central list. After I made VM it seemed kind of pointless to hunt down small (boring) places for five to ten pussies a shop. No pics of Thais. Got tired of being denied pictures by this time, stopped asking.

after my experience with VM, I can honestly say that these Termas's are a waste of money. Another convert -- welcome to the VM Club!

Bofaleh
08-31-07, 22:27
Rio Bob, Berthold – thanks for your help and taking the time to answer me

Managera, Nodd and why you bother your self and say some thing I already know but if you are new to this place you will fine it hard to go through all the pages to read every thing. Also remember one day you was new to this web site and you also needed some help so better not answer me you wasted your time and mine to replay to you.

And for all other members I will be more than happy to see any more answers from you.

Thanks again to Rio Bob, Berthold.

SlickdySlick
09-01-07, 06:46
Bofaleh let me just add to give Shenanagans a try in Impanema for a change of pace to Help. Low key bar and they do a quiz night which is pretty fun. The girls do a good job a faking like regular girls but trust me this is a pick up spot you wont be asked for money straight up but you have about a 90% hit rate there. Also remember Help is open late so hit regular club and try your luck and if it doesn't work out head to Help later. The first trip is always the best!!!! Good Luck

Sperto
09-01-07, 09:20
Bofaleh let me just add to give Shenanagans a try in Impanema for a change of pace to Help. Low key bar and they do a quiz night which is pretty fun. The girls do a good job a faking like regular girls but trust me this is a pick up spot you wont be asked for money straight up but you have about a 90% hit rate there...
I agree that Shenanigan's in Ipanema is a nice spot, even though it gets very crowded. The girls are faking like regular girls? I've only seen a handful of pro's in Shenanigan's.
P.S If you go there you must try their Kelly's fries with chili.

Rock Harders
09-01-07, 16:47
Mongers-
I arrived in Rio yesterday for the first time and I happened to make a stop into Shennanigans and although it is a good place to have a few drinks and the bar food looked good, there were no pros that I noticed and not many hot girls at all. I live and work in Buenos Aires full time and so far walking around on the streets and in the bars the girls are much better looking in Buenos Aires than in Rio. However, so far Rio has been great, its freezing cold right now in Buenos Aires and its 85 degrees in Rio and sunny. Another great thing about Rio so far has been the food; the restaurants have been excellent (much better than Buenos Aires) and the portions are gigantic. We ate at Eclipse, located on Avenida Copacabana about a block from Joaquim Nabuco, excellent food, huge portions, good value.
After Shenanigans my buddy and I stopped into Help and my overall I was very impressed and I had a great time. My buddy and I both pulled out two young fresh garotas for R$150 for all nighters. My garota gave a average performance although she looked amazing naked, all natural and tight body. My buddies girl gave him a great performance, fucked him several times bareback and was very cute and fun.
So far Rio is amazing, more reports to come.
Suerte,
Rock Harders

JoshJosh69
09-01-07, 19:36
I can't believe that you might think that is a good idea. When I first started v
going, I've caught stuff & while it was't HIV, it could have been. Don't do it! It's too risky

Dutch44
09-01-07, 20:17
Dear Rock Harders,

Bareback? You must be kidding!


My buddies girl gave him a great performance, fucked him several times bareback and was very cute and fun. Harders

Have you read this forum? Bareback in Rio (or any place in this world) with Pro's is a BAD BAD idea. Even the pope is beginning to consider that condoms may in fact help preventing AIDS (and STDs). Now the Vatican is not particularly well known for its acceptance of real life facts. It took them over 350 years to recognize (in 1992) that Galileo was right that the earth revolved around the sun, and not the other way around. Condoms have been around for over half a century now. May be your buddy should consider using them....

Here is the wikipedia section on condoms:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condom

have fun,
Dutch44

Meat Loaf
09-01-07, 21:11
Statistically speaking, not that many people have contracted nor have SIDA (HIV) in the USA (0.6%) or Brazil (0.7%) of 300 million and 200 million respectively. That's only 1 million people in the USA and 700,000 in Brazil.

CIA World Fact book will give you the stats for every country and I trust CIA data. Granted it is a risk, but is he has porn-star fantasies when paying for prostitutes don't steal his thunder. Keep strokin' raw dog, just let me know which girls your friend has been with so I don't get sloppy seconds.

Rock Harders
09-01-07, 23:21
Mongers-
Do you want me to give detailed, accurate reports of what I see and encounter in Rio de Janeiro, or do you just want to lecture hypocritical bullshit about shit I already know. I am reporting on this website because Jackson is a friend of mine and I am trying to add to his site and also help those who have come before me and offered valuable information. Everybody knows its potentially dangerous to fuck prostitutes bareback, nobody is twelve years old here. Let's keep unsolicited comments from the peanut gallery to a minimum here and keep the purpose of this forum in mind instead of sounding like a reactionary WHO employee.
Suerte,
Rock Harders

JoshJosh69
09-01-07, 23:25
Sorry I was short earlier, I was using my iphone. I now work in the business of health care at a dermatology and an STD clinic. So all day long, I test and treat guys who get Herpes 1&2, syphillis, tons of chlamydia, gonorrhea, genital warts, and yes, we do HIV testing and once in a while a guy comes up positive. Like i said, I used to do the same thing when i first started going to Rio. "It won't happen to me," the heat of the moment, etc. All crazy. You are gambling with something where you don't want to lose. 15-30 minutes of bareback pleasure is nothing compared to a life time of herpes or worse, HIV.

JoshJosh69
09-01-07, 23:27
I only bring this up because I don't want to see anything bad happen. It's not a peanut gallery, I have been in Brasil and done this whole game a lot longer than you, and just as I would advise you don't walk on the beach at night, I would advise that you don't do Brasilian pros without condoms. It's not sanctimonious crap, we look out for each other on this board. Take it how you want it and good luck buddy.

Yuppa
09-02-07, 03:42
Hi,

Before I start apologies for not following the guide/bible and if this post is in the wrong spot.

I'm 30. Never had a hooker. Just ended a 10 year relationship. I'm in Rio for a few more days. I want to get laid. I didn't come here to monger, but I want to dangle my toes in the water before I go back home. I'm staying in Copa and I'm staying with a friend so I can't bring girls back to my place.

Please recommend for me:

1) A terma. I like my girls small and petite. Keep in mind that I'm a bit of a cheap bastard and I'm a novice at this.

2) A place I can go for cheap sex/BJs. Keep in mind that I'm a cheap bastard, but I don't really want to be fucking in another guys wet spot. So. Not too gross a place ok? Up

Thanks in advance for help,

Y

Euro100
09-02-07, 14:02
Statistically speaking, not that many people have contracted nor have SIDA (HIV) in the USA (0.6%) or Brazil (0.7%) of 300 million and 200 million respectively. That's only 1 million people in the USA and 700,000 in Brazil.
That statistic is badly misleading! Why? Because it counts all of the people the same way, no matter how many partners they have. The P4P players in Rio have a MUCH higher chance of having STDs than just 0.7%.

Plato
09-02-07, 14:05
My plans to conduct another night of termas research had to wait for a coupe of days while I went to Brasilia which as reported in other pages had a number of promising sights, but it was not destined to be. The nearest sniff I got of pussy was sitting in the foyer talking business and watching the solitary prospect milling around by the entrance reading the same leaflet for 40 minutes and trying to charm potential punters as they wandered in. Periodically she would step in the lift with any man on his own only to return alone a minute or two later looking rather dejected. I was not particularly surprised by this as she had an enormous arse and a face like a bag of spanners. Even so you have to admire persistence.

Anyway on return to Rio I decided to go back to my old haunt Monte Carlo on a Thursday night around 9. 30 pm to see if things had changed since 2005. It was just as I remembered. As I climbed the stairs to the bar I could hear the music, shouting, laughing and squealing and when I walked in the joint was jumping. It was quite crowded and I immediately noticed the women all seemed to be having fun and many of them were very attractive to the eye, more so than L’uomo. There was a lot of variety present in all colors, shapes and sizes. I was in the mood for something tall, dark and slim with one of those tight pert bottoms.

I sat down at the bar and took a beer to start scanning the room. As I looked around Eliza, a seemingly petite, very suntanned, almost black skinned, blonde woman aged about 24, dressed in a yellow bikini was on me like a greyhound out of trap two and straight in my face. She was quite pretty in the low light with a disarming smile. Try as I did to ignore her and look around for something I really wanted I quickly fell under her charm. She stuck her tongue in my ear and nibbled me as she rubbed her snatch on my quickly stiffening cock.

She turned around and pushed her arse on me which gave me a chance to touch it, run my finger down the crack under the string and check it out. It was definitely firm and full of potential even though I did not get a good look at it. She followed this by turning around and putting her hand under my robe stroking and squeezing my cock. All the time Eliza was telling me in not bad English how much she wanted to suck me and would make me shoot juice in her tight pussy. All of this was making it very hard for a man to have a quiet beer, take time and check out the competition.

I know I should have politely told her to go forth and multiply, but my little head was now a lot more determined than my big head which had gone into compliance mode (mistake no. 1). I convinced myself that Eliza was just what I was looking for – not quite as dusky as I wanted, but almost and that blonde hair seemed to be getting darker by the second. Okay you smooth talking little sex machine let’s take a cabin (mistake no. 2). You can do all those things you promised to me for 40 minutes and, if you are lucky, I’ll let you suck my brains out of the end of my cock.

It was like a lamb to the slaughter. We went upstairs and she slipped into something more relaxing – a blue negligee of sorts. While I waited in the corridor. As I followed her down the corridor I began to have my doubts and in the room these were confirmed. As she slipped off the negligee it was clear that those parts formally hidden beneath the bikini were not as dark as I had convinced myself they were. In fact they were as lily white as me. Don’t get me wrong. She had lovely small breasts with exquisite pink nipples which I immediately began to nibble, but I had hoped for something a bit more exotic.

She seemed eager to deliver the ‘suck me and make me shoot my juice in her tight pussy’ routine so I lay back and let her. She alternately ran her tongue up and down my old man and gave me deep throat with a degree of expertise. I was clearly in the hands of a professional. Before I knew what was happening she put a rubber on me, greased herself with some lube and then sat on me reverse cowgirl with me tightly gripped in trap one. As she did so I realized that the tight pert bottom I hoped for was somewhere other than in the room with me.

As she leant forward I looked down the white line between those larger than hoped for cheeks and saw it disappear around her pinky brown ring. This was when I should have taken control and slowed things down (mistake no. 3), but instead I became mesmerized watching my cock slide in and out of that ample posterior. She leant forward to grip me harder and in another 30 seconds it was all over. From the moment she locked the door to when I shot my bolt could not have been more than three minutes.

Thinking, perhaps, this was the end of round one and we would have another in the remaining 37 minutes I was quite happy to take a few minutes rest (mistake no. 4). After a while I thought it was time to do some exploratory investigations and check out that box which I did. It was quite small in appearance with a little clit poking out at the top with a vertical strip of mousey pubic hair above. However, as I tried to get my nose in the vicinity it became clear Eliza thought she had done her bit for Brasil. Any hopes I had that we were going to have a rapturous encore were quickly dashed. All she was interested in doing was going to sleep.

I ask you, what is a dissatisfied gentleman supposed to do in such a situation? In my experience causing a fuss particularly when you are wearing fuck all and cannot speak the local lingo is a recipe for disaster. There can only be one winner and it is not going to be the discontented punter. Especially when evidence of satisfaction delivered is residing in a, by now rather sad and certainly not attractive looking, rubber Johnny.

Fortunately my big head was back in charge and I did not intend to make mistake no. 5 (smart decision no. 1). So after a decent time I beat a tactical retreat to the bar to have that quiet beer and do what I should have done in the first place. Check out the competition. In the meantime the lovely Eliza came back into the bar and did her best to ignore me. All that smooth talking sex machine stuff had been put away until the next dickhead arrived.

Despite this not all was lost. After a while I was approached by dark haired Laetitia, divorced, aged 26 with a sun tan, not at all overweight, but with a womanly body who again was not really what I had in mind. By now after my first experience I was beginning to lose interest and told her I was having one drink before winding my weary way home. She was not at all pushy and told me she had to leave at midnight as she was a nurse and started work at 6 am. Apparently she had not scored on the night and I showed her my empathetic feminine side by buying her a drink (smart decision no. 2).

She rewarded me as we spent the next 40 minutes or so fondling each other in the corner. My old boy was up and down like a yoyo as she grinded on me and encouraged me to have as many handfuls as I wished. Although there was not much on top she insisted on pulling the front of her bikini bottoms down to show me her bare, soft to touch and almost hairless pussy. From time to time I indulged myself by confirming that it was as soft as she said it was with a casual, yet curious finger.

Monte Carlo continued to buzz until most of the punters started to disappear as the Cinderella hour approached. Shortly afterwards so did Laetitia followed a few minutes later by yours truly. Overall, in terms of quality assurance I would say that Monte Carlo is still a good place to spend time. The cost for the evening was 280 reais including drinks. Just remember – all that glitters is not necessarily gold. Having said that it was not the first time my cock ruled brain. And I am sure it will not be the last!

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Mangera
09-02-07, 14:16
Mongers-
I arrived in Rio yesterday for the first time and I happened to make a stop into Shennanigans and although it is a good place to have a few drinks and the bar food looked good, there were no pros that I noticed and not many hot girls at all. I live and work in Buenos Aires full time and so far walking around on the streets and in the bars the girls are much better looking in Buenos Aires than in Rio. However, so far Rio has been great, its freezing cold right now in Buenos Aires and its 85 degrees in Rio and sunny. Another great thing about Rio so far has been the food; the restaurants have been excellent (much better than Buenos Aires) and the portions are gigantic. We ate at Eclipse, located on Avenida Copacabana about a block from Joaquim Nabuco, excellent food, huge portions, good value.
After Shenanigans my buddy and I stopped into Help and my overall I was very impressed and I had a great time. My buddy and I both pulled out two young fresh garotas for R$150 for all nighters. My garota gave a average performance although she looked amazing naked, all natural and tight body. My buddies girl gave him a great performance, fucked him several times bareback and was very cute and fun.
So far Rio is amazing, more reports to come.
Suerte,
Rock Harders

Rock Harders was just stating or reporting what happenned on this particular night. He wrote that his buddy is the one who had bareback sex, not him. He ( Rockharders ), never said whether he was for it one way or the other. So spare the guy of any lectures about the topic.

Members of this forum have the good intention of preaching about safe sex, which is understandable, but it should be directed at the right person. 2 centavos.

Meat Loaf
09-02-07, 15:09
That statistic is badly misleading! The P4P players in Rio have a MUCH higher chance of having STDs than just 0.7%.Sorry about that 'cause you're exactly correct!

SlickdySlick
09-02-07, 15:40
Hi Sperto,

I know a girl that works there and most of the girls are after a typical type of guy. The guy who says I would never go to Help nor would I ever pay for it. They hook into these type of guys who think they are good looking or have game, set them up as their boyfriend for the rest of the guy's stay and end up getting more out of the guy than a Terma girl makes in a week!! I my opinion no regular Brazilian girl would ever go to Shenanigans, its too expensive and caters to gringos. But the food is great and if you are looking for the illusion that you pulled a regular girl the place is class.

Alex Deuce
09-02-07, 15:44
That statistic is badly misleading! Why? Because it counts all of the people the same way, no matter how many partners they have. The P4P players in Rio have a MUCH higher chance of having STDs than just 0.7%.Thats statistically incorrect given the way the data is collected. Basically, HIV in the USA is being reported . Only people diagnosed with HIV infection after January 1, 2002. It is estimated that HIV is underreported by at least 10-20% in the US. There are several issues that have not been addressed nor corrected in the reporting. You have to remember, that the Regan/Bush administration did not even acknowledge the existance, the Clinton administration did everything it could but the majority of the work was undone by BUSH the stupid. Brazils public health system has a better handle on the rate of infections than our private system. However, CIA, CDC and all of our systems estimate it at an expected level rather than the actual information given by the Brazillian goverment.

My point is, Leave the guy alone and stop lecturing people using incorrect data.

Bravo
09-02-07, 17:25
Hi Sperto,

I know a girl that works there and most of the girls are after a typical type of guy. The guy who says I would never go to Help nor would I ever pay for it. They hook into these type of guys who think they are good looking or have game, set them up as their boyfriend for the rest of the guy's stay and end up getting more out of the guy than a Terma girl makes in a week!! I my opinion no regular Brazilian girl would ever go to Shenanigans, its too expensive and caters to gringos. But the food is great and if you are looking for the illusion that you pulled a regular girl the place is class.

SS, you are right on the money. I know a number of terma girls who go to Shenanigans for this specific purpose, to get with guys who think they meeting regular girls. Like you said, the place is way too expensive for the average brasilian to patronize, so that should be the first clue as to what tyoe of female you are dealing with.

George90
09-02-07, 19:11
Mongers-
Do you want me to give detailed, accurate reports of what I see and encounter in Rio de Janeiro, or do you just want to lecture hypocritical bullshit about shit I already know. I am reporting on this website because Jackson is a friend of mine and I am trying to add to his site and also help those who have come before me and offered valuable information. Everybody knows its potentially dangerous to fuck prostitutes bareback, nobody is twelve years old here. Let's keep unsolicited comments from the peanut gallery to a minimum here and keep the purpose of this forum in mind instead of sounding like a reactionary WHO employee.
Suerte,
Rock Harders

JJ69 gave a very good reposnse to you post.

I am going to add to what he wrote. Given the nature of this site, it is AT BEST hugely irresponsible for posters to NOT call out a person who is barebacking with a pro. AT WORST, ignoring accounts of barebacking may be CRIMINAL! If someone reading this site infers that barebacking with a pro is not risky due to a lack of admonition frm guys who described their BB exploits, and that guy catches something, he may have a liability case against the site for negligence. Some dating sites have been successfully sued for similar negligence when a woman hooked up with a criminal.

Rock Harders
09-02-07, 20:23
mongers-
yesterday turned out to be another very interesting day in rio de janeiro; dicked around the beach during the day and had a great lunch at sushi leblon located on rua dias ferreira 256 in leblon. after a long nap and a quick bite to eat at eclipse, my buddy and i took a cab over to barbarela's to see the supposed rio equivalent to madahos or black in buenos aires. black or madahos it was not (i do not like those places anyway), as we walked in and walked out without paying a cover or buying anything. we walked across the street to frank's to catch the live sex show and have a couple r$15 bacardis. when 2am rolled around it was time to go to help and pull something for the night.
when we arrived at help around 2:20am the place was noticeably more crowded than friday night and there were plenty of doable girls around. anyway, i located what was without a doubt the hottest garota in the place, a true 9, and started into negotiations. this girl was about 5'10", black straight hair, very lean and lithe but had on jeans that went half way up her torso which did her no favors. a truly angelic face and perfect skin, hair, and nails, 19 years old and from brasilia. i first made her an offer of r$500 to stay with me until i leave tuesday morning. she balked at that and i raised it to r$600; which she strongly considered with me trying to convince her in my hybrid spanish/portuguese. after an hour and a half of back and forth in which my offer went as high as r$800 she left alone pissed off. i just could not believe this girl turned down that kind of money; she says she gets r$500 per day and for her to turn down my offer maybe she does and won't leave for less. also keep in mind here i am in my mid-twenties and in peak physical condition, and she still walked away from the deal! by this time it was 5am and the pickins were slim, after bullshitting around with a few scrapings from the bottom of the barrel my buddy and i went home alone, drunk and disappointed.
suerte,
rock harders

George90
09-02-07, 20:34
mongers-
i first made her an offer of r$500 to stay with me until i leave tuesday morning. she balked at that and i raised it to r$600; which she strongly considered with me trying to convince her in my hybrid spanish/portuguese. after an hour and a half of back and forth in which my offer went as high as r$800 she left alone pissed off. i just could not believe this girl turned down that kind of money; she says she gets r$500 per day and for her to turn down my offer maybe she does and won't leave for less. also keep in mind here i am in my mid-twenties and in peak physical condition, and she still walked away from the deal! by this time it was 5am and the pickins were slim, after bullshitting around with a few scrapings from the bottom of the barrel my buddy and i went home alone, drunk and disappointed.
suerte,
rock harders

r$800 is almost 2 months' pay for someone with a college degree such as a teacher. for a gdp to turn that down, when the going rate at help is r$150-250, tells me that there is more to this story than meets the eye.

she must have gotten some seriously bad vibes from you and/or you buddy. maybe you guys were too drunk for her taste.

Sperto
09-02-07, 23:10
R$800 is almost 2 months' pay for someone with a college degree such as a teacher. For a GDP to turn that down, when the going rate at Help is R$150-250, tells me that there is more to this story than meets the eye.
She must have gotten some SERIOUSLY bad vibes from you and/or you buddy. Maybe you guys were too drunk for her taste.
I agree on that one. GP's are very careful individuals.

If somebody offers her more than 4 times the going rate all her red alert lamps will go off. Specially when the client is in his mid-twenties and in peak physical condition.

Maybe a fat old white fart would have been more successful?
Nobody who isn't insane offers a Help girl R$ 800.

Dutch44
09-02-07, 23:20
Hi Rock,

RS$800 for a help girl? I assume you mean two nights then?


= I first made her an offer of R$500 to stay with me until I leave tuesday morning. She balked at that and I raised it to R$600; which she strongly considered with me trying to convince her in my hybrid spanish/portuguese. After an hour and a half of back and forth in which my offer went as high as R$800 she left ALONE pissed off

I'm sorry but 800 is WAY too much. When you check this forum you will see the going rate starts at 150 R$ for a single night. Did that several times (at Help) Why overpay?

Dutch44

Rock Harders
09-03-07, 02:30
Mongers-
I guess you misunderstood what I wrote here, but I thought I clearly wrote that the final offer was R$800 for three days worth of service. Meaning I was in Help on Saturday night, and I wanted her to stay with me until I left on Tuesday. I do not know why the girl did not take the offer, she was a 9 and I thought she would take it for sure, thats why I was disappointed. I was not drunk or being obnoxious.
Anyway, today I went to Luomo for my first ever terma experience, those who have been to Buenos Aires know they do not exist there. The place was not crowded as there were probably only about 10 other mongers around and about 20-25 garotas. I was able to get with the most beautiful girl (according to my taste, which does not include black girls) in the place, a 27 year old carioca calling herself Leticia. She spoke very good Spanish so communication between us was no problem and she sucked my dick better than anyone has ever before. The cabines are ridiculously small and seriously limit the extent to which you can enjoy the session. I inadvertantly got some bareback action because the condom came off during doggy style when I pulled out to adjust and I ended up coming inside of her. She said everything was ok because she is on birth control and she didn't even blink an eye really.
Overall the terma was a bit of a disappointment, its a nice atmosphere, friendly, but I have never been a big fan of on site sex places, and there just were not a plethora of stunning women to choose from (although maybe Sundays they send out their b-team).
Suerte,
Rock Harders

Rio Bob
09-03-07, 02:35
Hi Rock,

RS$800 for a help girl? I assume you mean two nights then?



I'm sorry but 800 is WAY too much. When you check this forum you will see the going rate starts at 150 R$ for a single night. Did that several times (at Help) Why overpay?

Dutch44

If you read his post carefully it was from Saturday night until Tuesday when he leaves which is 3 nights plus the next day so it comes out to roughly 250 reais per day. A little high yes but if she was a true 9 like he says she is then not a totally outrageous price, seems in line with current Help prices but on the higher side. The offer he made was fair but her expectations were unrealistic at 500 reais per night, that’s why she left.

Euro100
09-03-07, 02:43
Thats statistically incorrect given the way the data is collected. Basically, HIV in the USA is being reported . Only people diagnosed with HIV infection after January 1, 2002. It is estimated that HIV is underreported by at least 10-20% in the US. There are several issues that have not been addressed nor corrected in the reporting. You have to remember, that the Regan/Bush administration did not even acknowledge the existance, the Clinton administration did everything it could but the majority of the work was undone by BUSH the stupid. Brazils public health system has a better handle on the rate of infections than our private system. However, CIA, CDC and all of our systems estimate it at an expected level rather than the actual information given by the Brazillian goverment.

My point is, Leave the guy alone and stop lecturing people using incorrect data.

What the fuck crawled up your ass? I didn't lecture anybody. I was just pointing out that the number quote only represents the average over the whole population, and that the risk is quite a bit higher with GDPs. So we are not nearly as safe as the low overall STD and in particular HIV rate for overall population make make us believe. That's all I wanted to point out. It's quite telling that Meat Loaf agreed with me right away. He saw my post for what it was.

So, Alex, stop pissing on my leg and post some useful stuff for a change.

Ezinho
09-03-07, 02:57
I inadvertantly got some bareback action because the condom came off during doggy style when I pulled out to adjust and I ended up coming inside of her. She said everything was ok because she is on birth control and she didn't even blink an eye really.
You "inadvertantly" got some bareback action?? Geez, first your friend is barebacking a GdP from Help, and now you're blowing your load inside a termas girl? What's next, you and your wingman gonna start barebacking in VM??

Just kidding, of course. But even if it happened, maybe you should hold back posting your BB adventures on here, since it really seems to rile up a certain segment of this board. And keep in mind also that many of the termas girls go bareback for their "regular" customers anyways, so she probably wasn't too concerned because it's happened many times before. A lot more bareback sex with GdPs goes on in Brasil than I think a lot of guys on here want to believe. Not that I'm speaking from experience...

But I'm not posting this to tell you what you should do. We're all adults here and can make our own decisions, and deal with the consequences. It's just FYI.

Euro100
09-03-07, 03:03
The cabines are ridiculously small and seriously limit the extent to which you can enjoy the session.

They also have bigger rooms at L'uomo. I remember one with a circular big bed. But you cannot get these VIP suites for the basic 40-minutes shag.

Meat Loaf
09-03-07, 03:12
What the fuck crawled up your ass? It's quite telling that Meat Loaf agreed with me right away. He saw my post for what it was.
So, Alex, stop pissing on my leg and post some useful stuff for a change.I wish I never got involved in this conversation. But nothing feels better than some warm, wet, meaty cooch, especially Latina. lol

Edward M
09-03-07, 05:16
You "inadvertantly" got some bareback action?? Geez, first your friend is barebacking a GdP from Help, and now you're blowing your load inside a termas girl? What's next, you and your wingman gonna start barebacking in VM??

Just kidding, of course. But even if it happened, maybe you should hold back posting your BB adventures on here, since it really seems to rile up a certain segment of this board. And keep in mind also that many of the termas girls go bareback for their "regular" customers anyways, so she probably wasn't too concerned because it's happened many times before. A lot more bareback sex with GdPs goes on in Brasil than I think a lot of guys on here want to believe. Not that I'm speaking from experience...

But I'm not posting this to tell you what you should do. We're all adults here and can make our own decisions, and deal with the consequences. It's just FYI.Fyi my thoughts below do not mean to imply any disrespect or judgement of Ezinho or Rock Harders.

This site is for the exchange of information and experiences not for criticizing individual mongers' tastes and activities. If Rock Harders is doing BB, intentional or not, he should feel free to post this information. If some do not like what he does, they should either ignore his posts or keep it to themselves. This is no place for holier than thou mongers. I am sure many of us get enough of that from prudish relatives and acquantances.

If it is your opinion that the activities of Rock Harders and others like him are dangerous to himself and your GDPs then use this information to improve your own safety or suggest that this fellow forum member adjust his behavior for his own safety. But asking him to not talk about it does not make it go away.

Edward M
09-03-07, 05:27
Hi,

Before I start apologies for not following the guide/bible and if this post is in the wrong spot.

I'm 30. Never had a hooker. Just ended a 10 year relationship. I'm in Rio for a few more days. I want to get laid. I didn't come here to monger, but I want to dangle my toes in the water before I go back home. I'm staying in Copa and I'm staying with a friend so I can't bring girls back to my place.

Please recommend for me:

1) A terma. I like my girls small and petite. Keep in mind that I'm a bit of a cheap bastard and I'm a novice at this.

2) A place I can go for cheap sex/BJs. Keep in mind that I'm a cheap bastard, but I don't really want to be fucking in another guys wet spot. So. Not too gross a place ok? Up

Thanks in advance for help,

YAssuming that ypu have read Bubba's guide and or the FAQs and are looking for some specific info for yourself here is my 2 centavos:

You did not say if you spoke any Portuguese. If you speak none and if your friend will not support your activities than Copa termas will be fine. You say you want cheap and also not too dirty but cheap is relative. Assuming that you come from a first world country and have money to travel to Rio for a few days then spending ~$125 for one or two times should not be an issue. Going downtown will be cheaper (~$90) but language will be more of an issue and it will not be so easy to get in and out quickly if that is what you need to do. Also in Copa there are cheaper small mini-termas. Any of the full termas will have girls of all heights and skin tones but oriental, fat, old, or ugly ones will be tough to come by. All of the termas girld should provide sex / bj in whatever ratio you desire.

SlickdySlick
09-03-07, 15:31
WOW I can sue the site if I get HIV?????

How about if I get a bad GDP and don't get my R150,00 worth? Who do I see about my refund here? LOL

Just joking I am finding the HIV convo more than entertaining LOL

Yuppa
09-03-07, 19:53
Thanks for your help Edward. I only speak enough Portuguese to get by eating, drinking etc. I'll check out Monte Carlo's tonight. I'm happy that fat, old, and ugly will be hard to come by. :-)

On Shenanigans, this is my third trip to Rio. I've picked up twice in Shenanigans (well I got picked up once!), beautiful girls and neither one of them had any interest in the contents of my wallet. They were only interested in some short term fun with a gringo and made sure they paid their own way whenever we were together. I've got friends who have had the same experience.

So while I'm sure that some of what u guys are saying is true, there are definite exceptions, and it can be worth the price of a few $4.50 choppes.

Best wishes all

Y


Assuming that ypu have read Bubba's guide and or the FAQs and are looking for some specific info for yourself here is my 2 centavos:

You did not say if you spoke any Portuguese. If you speak none and if your friend will not support your activities than Copa termas will be fine. You say you want cheap and also not too dirty but cheap is relative. Assuming that you come from a first world country and have money to travel to Rio for a few days then spending ~$125 for one or two times should not be an issue. Going downtown will be cheaper (~$90) but language will be more of an issue and it will not be so easy to get in and out quickly if that is what you need to do. Also in Copa there are cheaper small mini-termas. Any of the full termas will have girls of all heights and skin tones but oriental, fat, old, or ugly ones will be tough to come by. All of the termas girld should provide sex / bj in whatever ratio you desire.

Mr Enternational
09-04-07, 00:17
arrived in rio and took a nap. i forgot that i was supposed to meet a nonpro from novo iguacu in front of le meridian at 1pm. she called to ask where i was. i told her that i was in the bed asleep and just to come over to the apartment. when she arrived she mentioned how hot it was then asked if she could take a shower. of course. you don´t need to ask that. when she finished, she came back into the room with only a towel wrapped around her. she asked if i wanted a massage. she emphasized that it is not a sexual massage. since she just returned from sweden learning massage then she is supposed to have the technique down. she took out her oil and went to work. when she finished i started touching her on her back. then i started rubbing and oil/dirt was coming up. ewwwww. i stopped. next thing i knew she had my dick in her mouth. she had very nice breasts so i did my job and started sucking them. she was on her back and i continued to suck her nipples with a good force while keeping my dick in her mouth.

she was as hot as a firecracker. she wanted to touch herself but i would not allow her. i held her arm to her side. it seemed like she would be able to cum without her touching anything. and that she did. she said she wanted more. i whipped out my vibrating penis ring and slipped on the rubber. what is that she questioned, but i ignored her and went to work between her legs. after she came again, she put me on my back for cowgirl. then we both came and stayed in the bed talking for a few minutes. i told her that i had to get going. so we dressed and left the apartment. she told me to take care if she didn´t see me again while i was in rio.

i had met a newbie earlier today and it just so happens that we are alums of the same university. he has already done things that many veterans haven´t. he said that he went to vm last night alone and had a blast. the way he was telling me about things he had done i could swear he had a copy of bubba`s guide in his possession. he did not know about the downtown casas so i offered to show him. he had come to the apartment while i was in mid-action so i didn´t answer the door. when i finished busting my nut i gave him a ring. he said that he was at meia pataca and i told him that i would come through to get him as soon as i got dressed.

we walked to the metro on miguel lemos and took it down to uruguaiana. the first stop was ba 85. first floor - not much, second floor - less than usual, third floor - fucking deserted (4 chicas). i bought a guarana to sip on and asked one of the girls where everybody was. she said that nobody came today. my new wingman decided to take 2 in the back for a 30 minute session. r$60. i told him that i would wait on the first floor in hopes of finding something to session with. i chatted with a garota who told me that i have lost some weight since last she saw me. she told me that the place was probably empty because it is monday and people are just being lazy today. i told her that i am lazy everyday. after my wingman´s session i decided to drag him to ba 113. he was still in a daze from the 2 chicks swapping spit on his knob for a bargain basement price.

we were attacked by 2 girls as soon as we walked into the room at 113. he was ready to session, but i told him to just wait until we check out other places first. he agreed so we walked down to uruguiana 24. first floor - maybe 1 worth it, second floor - maybe one again, third floor - spotted a girl on the stairwell i knew from two years ago in front of help who recently left 85. i chatted with her only a second because above her was the one. she had one leg on the rail fashioned so we could have an unobstructed view of her pussy from below. i called her to me and told her let´s go.

we walked into her office. she closed the door, said treize, and before i could reach into my pocket she dropped to her knees undid my pants and stuck my dick in her mouth. o my god. this must have been the best head that i have ever had. about 5 minutes passed and she finally got up. i had a 50 real bill ready for her and told her to bring me 30 back. she said she would only take 13 out. i told her to take 20 out, because i knew the plans i had for her. she brought me back 30.

she opened a condom and i took it from her. i took out my egg vibrator, put the condom on it and put it up her ass on low speed. she wanted my dick in her mouth again so i obliged after setting the egg at medium speed. then i strapped a condom on myself and took out my pocket rocket. i showed her more toys than santa claus. i hit her mish then put the egg up to full speed. i rubbed the pocket rocket over her clit. she bit down on the tube of lube that she had in order to prevent screaming. i turned her over for doggie and she wanted me to take the egg out of her ass. i hit it from the back for a while then went back to mish. she told me that she wanted me to cum in her mouth and who am i to argue. i got myself ready to cum. i snatched off the condom and she went to her knees on the floor. she helped me jack myself off into her mouth then she started sucking me like i was a baby bottle. she rocked my fucking world. i asked her what she was doing tonight because i may want to see her again. she gave me her number but she doesn´t know if she will have a babysitter and she lives waaayyy in caxias.

we took the metro to cardeal arcoverde and stopped in at bob´s to take a leak. all that was on my mind was a steak sandwich from cervantes. walk down a couple of blocks and it is fucking closed. i asked the lady at the shop next door and she told me that they are closed on mondays. son of a *****. we ended up eating at the lanchonette across from this tude e facil. now i have to get over to barra shopping to pick up a gift that one of my non pros has for me. after that, who knows? it´s only 8:26pm.

Chris H
09-04-07, 01:24
arrived in rio and took a nap. i forgot that i was supposed to meet a nonpro from novo iguacu in front of le meridian at 1pm. she called to ask where i was. i told her that i was in the bed asleep and just to come over to the apartment. when she arrived she mentioned how hot it was then asked if she could take a shower. of course. you don´t need to ask that. when she finished, she came back into the room with only a towel wrapped around her. she asked if i wanted a massage. she emphasized that it is not a sexual massage. since she just returned from sweden learning massage then she is supposed to have the technique down. she took out her oil and went to work. when she finished i started touching her on her back. then i started rubbing and oil/dirt was coming up. ewwwww. i stopped. next thing i knew she had my dick in her mouth. she had very nice breasts so i did my job and started sucking them. she was on her back and i continued to suck her nipples with a good force while keeping my dick in her mouth.

she was as hot as a firecracker. she wanted to touch herself but i would not allow her. i held her arm to her side. it seemed like she would be able to cum without her touching anything. and that she did. she said she wanted more. i whipped out my vibrating penis ring and slipped on the rubber. what is that she questioned, but i ignored her and went to work between her legs. after she came again, she put me on my back for cowgirl. then we both came and stayed in the bed talking for a few minutes. i told her that i had to get going. so we dressed and left the apartment. she told me to take care if she didn´t see me again while i was in rio.

i had met a newbie earlier today and it just so happens that we are alums of the same university. he has already done things that many veterans haven´t. he said that he went to vm last night alone and had a blast. the way he was telling me about things he had done i could swear he had a copy of bubba`s guide in his possession. he did not know about the downtown casas so i offered to show him. he had come to the apartment while i was in mid-action so i didn´t answer the door. when i finished busting my nut i gave him a ring. he said that he was at meia pataca and i told him that i would come through to get him as soon as i got dressed.

we walked to the metro on miguel lemos and took it down to uruguaiana. the first stop was ba 85. first floor - not much, second floor - less than usual, third floor - fucking deserted (4 chicas). i bought a guarana to sip on and asked one of the girls where everybody was. she said that nobody came today. my new wingman decided to take 2 in the back for a 30 minute session. r$60. i told him that i would wait on the first floor in hopes of finding something to session with. i chatted with a garota who told me that i have lost some weight since last she saw me. she told me that the place was probably empty because it is monday and people are just being lazy today. i told her that i am lazy everyday. after my wingman´s session i decided to drag him to ba 113. he was still in a daze from the 2 chicks swapping spit on his knob for a bargain basement price.

we were attacked by 2 girls as soon as we walked into the room at 113. he was ready to session, but i told him to just wait until we check out other places first. he agreed so we walked down to uruguiana 24. first floor - maybe 1 worth it, second floor - maybe one again, third floor - spotted a girl on the stairwell i knew from two years ago in front of help who recently left 85. i chatted with her only a second because above her was the one. she had one leg on the rail fashioned so we could have an unobstructed view of her pussy from below. i called her to me and told her let´s go.

we walked into her office. she closed the door, said treize, and before i could reach into my pocket she dropped to her knees undid my pants and stuck my dick in her mouth. o my god. this must have been the best head that i have ever had. about 5 minutes passed and she finally got up. i had a 50 real bill ready for her and told her to bring me 30 back. she said she would only take 13 out. i told her to take 20 out, because i knew the plans i had for her. she brought me back 30.

she opened a condom and i took it from her. i took out my egg vibrator, put the condom on it and put it up her ass on low speed. she wanted my dick in her mouth again so i obliged after setting the egg at medium speed. then i strapped a condom on myself and took out my pocket rocket. i showed her more toys than santa claus. i hit her mish then put the egg up to full speed. i rubbed the pocket rocket over her clit. she bit down on the tube of lube that she had in order to prevent screaming. i turned her over for doggie and she wanted me to take the egg out of her ass. i hit it from the back for a while then went back to mish. she told me that she wanted me to cum in her mouth and who am i to argue. i got myself ready to cum. i snatched off the condom and she went to her knees on the floor. she helped me jack myself off into her mouth then she started sucking me like i was a baby bottle. she rocked my fucking world. i asked her what she was doing tonight because i may want to see her again. she gave me her number but she doesn´t know if she will have a babysitter and she lives waaayyy in caxias.

we took the metro to cardeal arcoverde and stopped in at bob´s to take a leak. all that was on my mind was a steak sandwich from cervantes. walk down a couple of blocks and it is fucking closed. i asked the lady at the shop next door and she told me that they are closed on mondays. son of a *****. we ended up eating at the lanchonette across from this tude e facil. now i have to get over to barra shopping to pick up a gift that one of my non pros has for me. after that, who knows? it´s only 8:26pm.

great story!!!!!!

Sperto
09-04-07, 11:18
On Shenanigans, this is my third trip to Rio. I've picked up twice in Shenanigans (well I got picked up once!), beautiful girls and neither one of them had any interest in the contents of my wallet. They were only interested in some short term fun with a gringo and made sure they paid their own way whenever we were together. I've got friends who have had the same experience.
So while I'm sure that some of what u guys are saying is true, there are definite exceptions, and it can be worth the price of a few $4.50 choppes.
I had the same experience of Shenanigan's. Never any money involved when picking up a girl.

If somebody goes there assuming the majority of the girls are pro's he will propably get slapped in his face.

Alex Deuce
09-04-07, 17:13
this guy alex deuce has absolutely no knowledge or facts about what he speaks about. Notice how he goes all crazy when the subject of hiv comes up?My point was that you should not trust goverment figures at face value. They manipulate and twist statistics to further their own political aims. The plain fact is, barebacking has the same risk where ever you are. However, if that is the shit you are into have at it! My interest in HIV comes from the fact that I have several friends that took it for a joke an wound up paying the price.

However, if anyone wants to have a further discussion or an other. I will be found on MP starting on October 25. PM me if you want to meet up.

Tavares
09-04-07, 21:43
Whoever is responsible for this forum should not allow people to insuult eachother.

Alexdeuce belongs to a group that in another forum has the unpleasant habit of insulting anyone who happens not to agree with them.

Just because Funkingnitor dared say that the guy doesn't understand about HIV he was rewarded with ASS and SHIT...

LET'S NOT ALLOW THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE TO BEHAVE THAT WAY!!

Alex Deuce
09-05-07, 02:16
Whoever is responsible for this forum should not allow people to insuult eachother.

Alexdeuce belongs to a group that in another forum has the unpleasant habit of insulting anyone who happens not to agree with them.

Just because Funkingnitor dared say that the guy doesn't understand about HIV he was rewarded with ASS and SHIT...

LET'S NOT ALLOW THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE TO BEHAVE THAT WAY!!You were just expelled from the other group that we dare not mention for your antics. [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) Off.

Tavares
09-05-07, 07:07
You were just expelled from the other group that we dare not mention for your antics. [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) Off.

What can people expect when the Administrator of the other forum agrees I am a racist just because I said that in general white women prefer white guys...( the truth apparently hurts some people ) while allowing his member friends to insult whoever does not agree with their opinions or their behaviour.

That is why I ask the Adm of this forum to warn people about insulting others just like AlexDeuce did with another member by calling him ASS...

The Corn Hole
09-05-07, 18:09
If you read his post carefully it was from Saturday night until Tuesday when he leaves which is 3 nights plus the next day so it comes out to roughly 250 reais per day. A little high yes but if she was a true 9 like he says she is then not a totally outrageous price, seems in line with current Help prices but on the higher side. The offer he made was fair but her expectations were unrealistic at 500 reais per night, that’s why she left.

I think Sperto is right here. For a guy wanting to book a GDP for three days straight is not ultra rare but trying to do that with one that you've just met five minutes ago I think is a little out of the ordinary. He knew nothing about her nor did she about him and he wants to keep her for three days straight? She sounds like an obvious red bull/vodka girl that spells trouble. For a three day GF/BF type thing I personally wouldn't try to recruit someone who is classified as the hottest girl in Help for that job. Just my opinion.

To Harders - props to you for being so forthcoming in your reporting. I guess I find it a little odd that some people on this board actually care what another grown man does with his own dick. I hope you realize though that not all Rio pros are on birth control.

One thing in your reporting I have to take issue with though. Tourist traps like Blacks and Madahos and the conceited sharks who inhabit them should never be mentioned on the Brazil board! :D

Exec Talent
09-06-07, 12:42
I have been making the high-end termas rounds in Rio and a lot of the former L'uomo talent can be found at Monte Carlo and Centaurus. Crowd favorites Joycee is at Monte Carlo and Sheila is at Centaurus.

Unfortunately, now the best thing about L'uomo is the food. Management sucks which is why all the girls left. Saying the girls that are there are unattractive would be paying them a compliment. Their business is way down for a reason. Unless management changes, like so many other guys, avoid this place.

Monte Carlo was busy with some attractive girls but too much smoke for me. It would be great if the girls would start to notice that they are the only ones smoking. Most of their customers are non-smokers. Management here seems to have gotten the message. They used to hang out like the Mafia but when I was there the place was on autopilot. The staff does a good job. Definitely worth a visit.

When you talk about pain-in-the-ass management, one cannot help but think of Centaurus. I always ask myself why I go there, but truth is, I know why. They have the largest number of hot girls in one place of any termas in Rio. One girl who I know pretty well commented to me, that customers come, they come and they leave. I didn't leave but hung out for the live music. One of the girls (body builder type) sings and she is awesome. I enjoyed it throughly, if for only the reason that it is the one time that the overly aggressive girls seemed to relax a bit. One thing I should point out -- if you like morenas, as much as I do, or dark girls, this is not the place. It was as white as a high-end Rio restaurant.

I stopped by Balcony after midnight and there were at least 5 very doable girls there. Worth a visit.

SlimHoleDrill
09-06-07, 14:31
I have been making the high-end termas rounds in Rio and a lot of the former L'uomo talent can be found at Monte Carlo and Centaurus. Crowd favorites Joycee is at Monte Carlo and Sheila is at Centaurus.

Unfortunately, now the best thing about L'uomo is the food. Management sucks which is why all the girls left. Saying the girls that are there are unattractive would be paying them a compliment. There business is way down for a reason. Unless management changes, like so many other guys, avoid this place.

Monte Carlo was busy with some attractive girls but too much smoke for me. It would be great if the girls would start to notice that they are the only ones smoking. Most of their customers are non-smokers. Management here seems to have gotten the message. They used to hang out like the Mafia but when I was there the place was on autopilot. The staff does a good job. Definitely worth a visit.

When you talk about pain-in-the-ass management, one cannot help but think of Centaurus. I always ask myself why I go there, but truth is, I know why. They have the largest number of hot girls in one place of any termas in Rio. One girl who I know pretty well commented to me, that customers come, they come and they leave. I didn't leave but hung out for the live music. One of the girls (body builder type) sings and she is awesome. I enjoyed it throughly, if for only the reason that it is the one time that the overly aggressive girls seemed to relax a bit. One thing I should point out -- if you like morenas, as much as I do, or dark girls, this is not the place. It was as white as a high-end Rio restaurant.

I stopped by Balcony after midnight and there were at least 5 very doable girls there. Worth a visit.Too bad to hear aoubt l'uomo. I have been going there for years and never had any problems with management. I have to say that it has gone through periods when the talent rotated to other Termas and vice versa. And I have seen times when the talent was not so good, but I have always had a good time there.

But I have not been there for more than six months and things can change. Sometimes there is a reason. For example, some time back, the police decided to raid Rio Antigo and because of that, the business fell off, the girls left. For sure when I was brave enough to venture back in, the quality had gone down significantly. I expect it has built back to the normal level again by this time.

So, the details change in Rio, but fotunately, the main theme stays the same.

Slim

Tavares
09-06-07, 16:55
Where is Balcony? in Copa?

Bubba Boy
09-06-07, 19:47
It is a bar on Avinida Atlantica. It is maybe 3 blocks back from Princessa isabell, that is back towards copa. It ones continues one would hit leme.

5 doable girls would seem to be a rare night, usually it is a freak show. Having said this, even the crappy joints through up a star or 3 every now and again.

Chris H
09-06-07, 23:00
Here is an example of the talent that can be found at Balcony Bar.

SlimHoleDrill
09-07-07, 00:28
It is a bar on Avinida Atlantica. It is maybe 3 blocks back from Princessa isabell, that is back towards copa. It ones continues one would hit leme.

5 doable girls would seem to be a rare night, usually it is a freak show. Having said this, even the crappy joints through up a star or 3 every now and again.I agree. I have seen a few stunners in there later at night. Also, sometimes they stop off there early in the evening to try their luck before making the stroll to Help, MP etc. But these are not usually the stunners, more second or 3rd tier. But it is not a bad place to hang out for a bit and see what happens.

Beats Mabs, although even Mabs can be very interesting at times.

Off Road
09-07-07, 01:29
I would agree that the quality of the gals in the Balcony is not that great, you have to look for a 7 or 8.. but.. I have noticed that in front of Help (TA) the quality is also poor right now. Only a handful of lookers, maybe one 9.. inside Help is better.

I like the Balcony just for sitting and talking, watching, so much closer, and not so clinical as in front of Help.

That said, when I do go out, I split between the two, or Balcony earlier in the night (like in 5 min, 9:30pm) then TA and Help later if I am in the mood.

I did find an excellent gal last night in Help.. we were banging until 7am.. 2nd time with her and was a thousand times better this time. 1st time I forgot to ask about BBBJ vs CBJ.. last night she asked why I did not repeat with her, I said it was the CBJ and that sex was kinda normal and not kinky.. well, she really made up for it last night.. and about 2pm when we got up.. she does stick to R$300 but it was way wortht it, this time.

Edward M
09-07-07, 04:33
For example, some time back, the police decided to raid Rio Antigo and because of that, the business fell off, the girls left.What happens when a raid happens? Do clients get arrested? Girls? Management? Are the clients allowed to get their stuff out of the lockers? Does everybody run?

Exec Talent
09-07-07, 05:14
One thing I forgot to mention about L'uomo was that the fines for the girls not showing up during the week have increased to R$200 and Saturday, Sunday to R$300. Add that to what a girl might charge you to spend a day/night with you and we are starting to talk about real money!

SlickdySlick
09-07-07, 07:59
@ Shenanagins I am sure you guys had great experiences there. I think you are both veterans to Rio, But your average guy on this board is not going to walk out there with a hot chick with her having no interest in some gain. I said they are not straight up PROs so don't go there saying how much but also don't think the average girl is there just hanging out for fun, Its just not were regular girls hang out.

@ Police Raids, Why would the Police raid one of these place? Are they in fact illegal? Has anybody ever been in one of these raid to know what exactly happens. (Which is the same question Ed is asking but I think it's an important question so I ask again)

@ ET is that 300 USD!!!!!! holy smokes batman!!!

MrK
09-07-07, 08:23
I'll be heading down to Rio soon. Is Shayla at Monte Carlo? I read she left Luomo.

Ahhhh, 5 years ago was my first trip to Rio. I did a double my first time at Luomo and Shayla outdid the other garota by about 10X. I can still see her bent over, begging me to do her again but this time in the ass. I have gone every 6 months after that and have seen Shayla about every other time. The last time I took her she seemed a little depressed. I asked her what was up and she said she did not think she would be at Luomo much longer. I was seriously bummed. She said something about not being on the program within a few months.

Well, as any Rio veteran knows, the next great garota is right around the corner. Still, I would love to see Shayla again.

SlimHoleDrill
09-07-07, 13:47
What happens when a raid happens? Do clients get arrested? Girls? Management? Are the clients allowed to get their stuff out of the lockers? Does everybody run?I was not there (thank god) but a relaible carioca friend told me the whole story. It had something to do with one police division disagreeing on how to split payoffs. As I understood it, it was a classic raid where they put pictures of some of the patrons in the papers. It had only been a few weeks since it happened (this was maybe a year ago? ) and he was reluctant to go, but finally decided that things had cooled off enough and you have to get back in the water at some point.

Before we all freak out, this is the first time I had ever heard of this sort of thing in more than 20 years. Maybe somebody that lives in Rio could give a better account of what happened and if this sort of thing happens occaisionsally.

As far as being legal, I am not sure on that point, but my impression was that they are not officially leagal. That would be typically Brazillian.

Benjoe
09-07-07, 17:22
I'll be heading down to Rio soon. Is Shayla at Monte Carlo? I read she left Luomo.

Ahhhh, 5 years ago was my first trip to Rio. I did a double my first time at Luomo and Shayla outdid the other garota by about 10X. I can still see her bent over, begging me to do her again but this time in the ass. I have gone every 6 months after that and have seen Shayla about every other time. The last time I took her she seemed a little depressed. I asked her what was up and she said she did not think she would be at Luomo much longer. I was seriously bummed. She said something about not being on the program within a few months.

Well, as any Rio veteran knows, the next great garota is right around the corner. Still, I would love to see Shayla again.

She's at Centaurus.

Urcarioca
09-07-07, 19:58
As far as being legal, I am not sure on that point, but my impression was that they are not officially legal. That would be typically Brazillian.As I already said : Termas are illegal in Brazil. It's a business which take advantage of the prostitution: GDPs get fine (up to R$200 on week-ends) when they don't show up, are late, and get diner inside for R$ 100 a month.

Most of the termas in Rio are run by well-known military police officer or family nearby to protect their biz. Sometimes the dice get loaded and they loose the protection. It can happen anytime.

Look what happened to Oscar Maroni in SP : Bahamas raided and closed, and now Café Millenium tambem.

SlimHoleDrill
09-07-07, 20:20
bubba's post from a few months back explains in more detail.



the official reason is looking for **** girls. the police have closed centaurus, rio antigo and probably a shit load of more places for this reason. no **** girls are ever found.

the reason they are hit is a power struggle within the police. the t's pay kick back to certain police or a few, then those police loose power and then other police step up for a kick back. until it is clear who is in charge, the terma may be closed by one party as a show of force. once the pecking order is worked out again, money is redistriubuted or some one is shot, and then things get back to normal.

corruption is the biggest reason brazil has so many economic and social problems, everything, and i do mean everything is corrupt at the higher levels or where the bigger money is involved.