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I found the same info.
http://odia.terra.com.br/rio/htm/predio_da_boate_help_e_desapropriado_147906.asp
Basically it says. Club Help Closing
The termas will get a great new crop of girls.
I have been told some of the history. Help and Terraço Atlantico (the restaraunt/bar in front of help) are owned by the same person, you will see him sitting inside the purse room of Help some nights.
The land there is owned by an older woman. She leases the land to Help/TA on a yearly basis. Yearly she theatens to do something else with the land. She has the owner of Help/TA by the $$. He has to pay more and more each year to her. However, I dont think any of us need to be crying for him..
May not be true, but it was a reliable source. So this story could be part of the scheme to get more rent from H/TA.
(I posted this on another board too).
Don't forget that Rio is bidding on the Olympics. Can't have newscasters showing lil johnnie in Copa with gdp's in the background! :) Why else would the governor be involved.
I have been told some of the history. Help and Terraço Atlantico (the restaraunt/bar in front of help) are owned by the same person, you will see him sitting inside the purse room of Help some nights.
The land there is owned by an older woman. She leases the land to Help/TA on a yearly basis. Yearly she theatens to do something else with the land. She has the owner of Help/TA by the $$. He has to pay more and more each year to her. However, I dont think any of us need to be crying for him..
May not be true, but it was a reliable source. So this story could be part of the scheme to get more rent from H/TA.
(I posted this on another board too).
This time the story is slightly different. You are right about the owner and her negotiating tactics, for example 2 years ago they wanted to tear down Help and build condos but it never happened. Help management and the owners must have made a good deal. During that time though I heard that Help management was looking for another site for the club, they had found something in Arpoador, an old Bingo hall, but I don't know if they bought it. Someone told me today they already have another location waiting, don't know.
Well anyway the difference is this time is that the government dispossessed the property from the owner to do this project, this is very different then the owner threatening to build condos. The O Globo article started off by calling Help the Symbol of Sexual tourism in Rio as if this is a bad thing. Sounds like they are looking to clean this area up for good.
This time it looks more serious the rumors so we will see what happens, it’s been open since 1984, it couldn’t last forever.
BootyTapper
01-31-08, 02:09
He must have lost his mind. I just don't know about some of these guys. Lack of pu$$y will make a man do some strange things. If, I ever do PLEASE slap me! Lonof, sound like you got part of it. LOL.
RR
RonnyRon and Lonzof they will learn the hard way. It amazes me that fellas would go down to Rio, catch feelings, and send money to a garota as if she is his wife with his kid. Add to that how many guys is she playing the same game on. I got 2 garotas in Rio now mad at me because they tried to run that game and I had to tell them to step to some other sucker. I sent one something for her birthday, she said thank you, but I would prefer cash. lol...yeah right!! Hey if mongers are stupid enough to send cash, the garotas are very smart to accept it and ask for more!
BootyTapper
01-31-08, 02:16
http://noticias.terra.com.br/brasil/interna/0,,OI2287721-EI8139,00.html
There is a report in another forum today that Club Help is being taken over by the government of the state of Rio de Janeiro. It says they intend to convert the building into a museum for image and sound. Anyone have more info on this? I hope it isn't true. If so, a little tear rolls down my face.
Its a sad day, but the end of Help at its present location has come. I have very fond memories of that place, from my first time in 2000 as a rookie until now. Looking back I can see myself growing and learning the garota game mostly from that club. The garotas I did not catch at the beach or find at MP after, I caught up to her at Help. I must say the atmosphere has changed over the years, but it was always a reliable party spot. I really hope the owner has a new spot and the goverment will not harass him. I was supposed to be in the house next week for carnaval, but like Help's owners I have to relocate, so I will hold onto my cash and run down in April.
Its a sad day, but the end of Help at its present location has come. I have very fond memories of that place, from my first time in 2000 as a rookie until now. Looking back I can see myself growing and learning the garota game mostly from that club. The garotas I did not catch at the beach or find at MP after, I caught up to her at Help. I must say the atmosphere has changed over the years, but it was always a reliable party spot. I really hope the owner has a new spot and the goverment will not harass him. I was supposed to be in the house next week for carnaval, but like Help's owners I have to relocate, so I will hold onto my cash and run down in April.
Every year there seems to be a story that Help! is closing. I'll believe it when it actually happens.
Why do so many people put so much effort into worrying about who sends what to who. And why would you post the fact that you send money to a girl in Rio on this site. I have too much fun, and not enough energy to care..........
And while the same people are still debating this issue here, I'll be back in Rio during one of my 3 planned trips for the year, and my 1 new trip to sample the pleasures of Columbia................Have Fun!!!!
JohnnyBraz
01-31-08, 06:56
This time the story is slightly different. You are right about the owner and her negotiating tactics, for example 2 years ago they wanted to tear down Help and build condos but it never happened. Help management and the owners must have made a good deal. During that time though I heard that Help management was looking for another site for the club, they had found something in Arpoador, an old Bingo hall, but I don't know if they bought it. Someone told me today they already have another location waiting, don't know.
Well anyway the difference is this time is that the government dispossessed the property from the owner to do this project, this is very different then the owner threatening to build condos. The O Globo article started off by calling Help the Symbol of Sexual tourism in Rio as if this is a bad thing. Sounds like they are looking to clean this area up for good.
This time it looks more serious the rumors so we will see what happens, it’s been open since 1984, it couldn’t last forever.Does anyone know when the yearly lease for HELP ends? What day, what month.
Just received this in email from MC. Open all days.
Does anyone know when the yearly lease for HELP ends? What day, what month.
Of course don't know for sure but 2 years ago the rumor was that it was closing on April 30. Search the 2006 or 2005 reports and you will see the same discussion was going on but under different circumstances. Maybe this will blow over just like it did then, maybe it's like a store putting a sign in the window: Going out of business sale. This way they can get more mongers down even with the strong Real.
I personally do not care if help is closing or not as I am more of terma fan. Termas are safe and fun particularly quatro por quatro.
Had a blast there last week. They are no holes barred and soo many chicks to choose from. Make matters worse prices are insanely cheap for a monger who hunts in NYC.
Tried several termas and second grade termas, this one is from termas 502, but will not go there again mainly due to poor hygiene. I can stand lots of things but not poor hygiene even though the girls are hot and wild on the bed.
This one did not allow the hole I love but none the less a winner, with a rock solid corpo!
Of course don't know for sure but 2 years ago the rumor was that it was closing on April 30. Search the 2006 or 2005 reports and you will see the same discussion was going on but under different circumstances. Maybe this will blow over just like it did then, maybe it's like a store putting a sign in the window: Going out of business sale. This way they can get more mongers down even with the strong Real.
Hope it still there in March! :)
I think another reason they are looking to close help is that they aretalking about it more. I recently caught a show on a Brazilian channel and they said that 70% of the woman in Brazil are GDP. and they had ex GDP's calling in telling why they did it and they had support info for them as well.
They also posted a site http://www.arcauniversal.com/index.jsp
Just a little info
JohnnyBraz
02-01-08, 08:37
Of course don't know for sure but 2 years ago the rumor was that it was closing on April 30. Search the 2006 or 2005 reports and you will see the same discussion was going on but under different circumstances. Maybe this will blow over just like it did then, maybe it's like a store putting a sign in the window: Going out of business sale. This way they can get more mongers down even with the strong Real.Well Sangue Bon, I will be in Rio in 2 weeks for my 3 week tour, the first one for this year, but I am hoping to do 3 this year, my Feb one (3 weeks), 2 weeks in September for my birthday and 8 weeks in December till Feb.
Does anyone know when the yearly lease for HELP ends? What day, what month.
I just spoke to a friend of mine who has a friend who owns a business very close to Help, I won't mention any names but you can take this for what it's worth. He was told Help management already has another club nearby and it is ready to go, maybe the transition will happen in a couple of months. That's it.
I think another reason they are looking to close help is that they aretalking about it more. I recently caught a show on a Brazilian channel and they said that 70% of the woman in Brazil are GDP. and they had ex GDP's calling in telling why they did it and they had support info for them as well.
They also posted a site http://www.arcauniversal.com/index.jsp
Just a little infoI read the brazilian national paper that is printed in the USA and according to satistics 70% of the women that imigrate to Portugal become GDP or prostitutes. Due to this portugal is thinking of changing its imigration laws towards Brazil.
JohnnyBraz
02-02-08, 05:03
I just spoke to a friend of mine who has a friend who owns a business very close to Help, I won't mention any names but you can take this for what it's worth. He was told Help management already has another club nearby and it is ready to go, maybe the transition will happen in a couple of months. That's it.That's cool, the gdp's have to go somewhere for there partying lifestyle. Will be there in less than 2 weeks. Can't wait.
JohnnyBraz
02-02-08, 05:35
One off my friends friend (not mine) went to Rio about 2 years ago. With my friends cousin. His cousin slept with a ***** from a nightclub (help I am assuming). Then he slept with her a night or 2 after, fell in love with this *****. Married her, in the past few years he has returned to Rio from australia 3 months a time twice a year. Bought a appartment on copacabanna beach, various assets. While he has been over here she has been constantly telling him she needs money for this or that. He would send her up to $20000 aud a month (about $17500 usd). My friend kept telling him that this ***** is going to fuck you over. Now just before christmas he went to Rio for 3 months, I seen my friend the other day and asked him how his mate is getting on in Rio, he said that he is already back, I said why, he was suppose to be there till March, he said the ***** phoned the police on him one night while he was sleeping and made loads off bullshit up. He was suppose to be bringing her back to sydney to live, if you are an australian and you marry a women, it takes 2 years for them to be able to live in australia if they are not from australia or new zealand, unless you have a new zealand passport too, and they can live instantly, he didn't. We have very strict immigration laws. The ***** cost him $400, 000 australian dollars approx $350000 us dollars. But to make it worse he has her name tattooed on his neck. I said to my mate, tell your mate, that these women are financially illitirate. Even though that is about 600000 reals, the ***** will spend it in no time and be back to her ways.
Moral off the story.
You can take the woman off the street,
But you can never take the street out off the women.
Johnnybraz, whats the rest of the story? How did it end? Did he face charges for the bs story she created? (Normaly police wont do anything when it involves a husband and wife, even if he is a gringo.)
Is his visa still good? What happened to the apartment he bought?
HoleRanger
02-02-08, 15:32
Well I decided to visit Helpe for the Carnival celebration,not cheap,50r to enter. Had a few drinks at Meia Pataca to set the mood. Several girls approached me not wanting to pay the entry fee to get inside Helpe, I had a different plan for the night. Once inside,strangely enough the girls that did pay to get in seemed to be there to have a good time first and if they made any money it was secondary. Dressed in as little as thongs and body paint to full costumes these girls redefine dancing and having fun. Can't remember being gropped this much before by women and enjoyed every minute of it. My agenda was not to get laid but to just take it all in,just relaxing since I had an earlier terma session before coming to Helpe. Took a few names and numbers,stopped at a corner cafe for a meal enroute to the apt. and got some rest. If you have never been here during this time of the year,you owe it to yourself to do it at least once.
Enjoy!
One off my friends friend (not mine) went to Rio about 2 years ago. With my friends cousin. His cousin slept with a ***** from a nightclub (help I am assuming). Then he slept with her a night or 2 after, fell in love with this *****. Married her, in the past few years he has returned to Rio from australia 3 months a time twice a year. Bought a appartment on copacabanna beach, various assets. While he has been over here she has been constantly telling him she needs money for this or that. He would send her up to $20000 aud a month (about $17500 usd). My friend kept telling him that this ***** is going to fuck you over. Now just before christmas he went to Rio for 3 months, I seen my friend the other day and asked him how his mate is getting on in Rio, he said that he is already back, I said why, he was suppose to be there till March, he said the ***** phoned the police on him one night while he was sleeping and made loads off bullshit up. He was suppose to be bringing her back to sydney to live, if you are an australian and you marry a women, it takes 2 years for them to be able to live in australia if they are not from australia or new zealand, unless you have a new zealand passport too, and they can live instantly, he didn't. We have very strict immigration laws. The ***** cost him $400, 000 australian dollars approx $350000 us dollars. But to make it worse he has her name tattooed on his neck. I said to my mate, tell your mate, that these women are financially illitirate. Even though that is about 600000 reals, the ***** will spend it in no time and be back to her ways.
Moral off the story.
You can take the woman off the street,
But you can never take the street out off the women.
I think it was both ways - he was p4p illiterate.
Nevertheless, there are *rare* cases where women do get off the street permanently. In the cases I know of, it has never been someone else that 'took' them off - it has been strong, intelligent women who deliberately did p4p for a while then just as deliberately stopped and made their former life as if it never existed. I don't think there are big generalisations so much as common sense to be observed. And leaving any woman alone for three months is, IMHO, asking a lot. Would you like to be left without sex for that time?
I think it is doubly hard if the initial relationship is one of hooker and punter.
I think it was both ways - he was p4p illiterate.
I don't think there are big generalisations so much as common sense to be observed.
You know what they say..."Common sense is not a common thing"
I have seen this happen SO many times all over the world. It's really a shame. Just a few things to ALWAYS remember:
1. If you are looking for a puta, she'll find you. A puta is a puts is a puta is a puta. Never forget that. Yes, she may be sweet, she may be nice, maybe you even have a "connection". But, she IS working. She is working to raise cash, not to find a husband.
2. If there is more than a 15 year age difference between you (its generally more with you being MUCH older), ponder this. Why would a sweet, sexy, hot girl want to build a life with a 40+ year old man who probably :
a) is either fat, balding, ignorant to her culture and language (any or all of those)
b)has alot of baggage like an ex-wife, kids, etc
c)wants her to leave her friends, family, country to be in a strange land with no language skills, no family, etc, etc, etc
Need I go on? I could finish the alphabet... Of course, the reason is MONEY. Do I blame her? Of course not. If you were living in a poor country, with no future except selling your ass to middle age tourists, with (most likely) parents and siblings depending on you to bring home the $$, what would you do? You'd be looking to maximize your earning potential in the least amount of your (short lived) puta time. Remember, they may be poor but they CERTAINLY are not stupid. The only stupid ones in this equation are the ones who don't exercise their COMMON SENSE.
Remember: Play...then pay....then go home.
He would send her up to $20000 aud a month (about $17500 usd).
that must be a record....18K/month for a Help GDP? had to read it twice just to be sure...At these prices, at least go for one of the stunners on Brazillian TV
I read the brazilian national paper that is printed in the USA and according to satistics 70% of the women that imigrate to Portugal become GDP or prostitutes. Due to this portugal is thinking of changing its imigration laws towards Brazil.Are they going to try to figure out how to raise the quota and get that to 100%? That is what I would do.
One off my friends friend (not mine) went to Rio about 2 years ago. With my friends cousin. His cousin slept with a ***** from a nightclub (help I am assuming). Then he slept with her a night or 2 after, fell in love with this *****. Married her, in the past few years he has returned to Rio from australia 3 months a time twice a year. Bought a appartment on copacabanna beach, various assets. While he has been over here she has been constantly telling him she needs money for this or that. He would send her up to $20000 aud a month (about $17500 usd). My friend kept telling him that this ***** is going to fuck you over. Now just before christmas he went to Rio for 3 months, I seen my friend the other day and asked him how his mate is getting on in Rio, he said that he is already back, I said why, he was suppose to be there till March, he said the ***** phoned the police on him one night while he was sleeping and made loads off bullshit up. He was suppose to be bringing her back to sydney to live, if you are an australian and you marry a women, it takes 2 years for them to be able to live in australia if they are not from australia or new zealand, unless you have a new zealand passport too, and they can live instantly, he didn't. We have very strict immigration laws. The ***** cost him $400, 000 australian dollars approx $350000 us dollars. But to make it worse he has her name tattooed on his neck. I said to my mate, tell your mate, that these women are financially illitirate. Even though that is about 600000 reals, the ***** will spend it in no time and be back to her ways.
Moral off the story.
You can take the woman off the street,
But you can never take the street out off the women.This reminds me of a story. Last summer I was at L'uomo in the relax room and a girl just wanted to crawl on top of me and relax. I obliged. She then starts telling me about how the next day would be her last because three days after that she was going to be getting married to a 35 year old American cardiologist and move to Miami.
We got to talking and she told me that for the past six months or so he had been sending her R$5000 per month to live on but she was still working because she "had a lot of bills". I asked her what she thought a cardiologists earned and she replied "about US$5000 per month" so they guy may have gotten off easy. She also mentioned that she enjoyed working there "Very much" and would miss it.
She may have had a lot of bills but she sure was cutting it close to the wedding. I had been with her twice before on 2 different trips and I had never had her anally but she mentioned that she enjoyed anal sem camisinha with her fiance. For some reason, the thought of fouling her so close to her wedding appealed to me so I took her to the cabine and this time did her in the back door and finished CIM. Afterwards I took some explicit photos of her, face included. I had taken her picture before but never body and face together and she was really getting graphic in the poses at her own prompting.
She told me that although she would miss working there, she was looking forward to being married. She promised me that she would be good wife to him, have lots of kid, never complain and always give him good sex whenever he wanted. She also asked me to send her the pictures that I had just taken.
After the life of partying for a liiving I think she just might be bored silly in a foreign country locked in as a housewife with a husband that works long hours. I silently predicted that within a week she would be banging the pool boy and random men she meets at the supermarket.
I do not know if this was a true story or complete BS. If it was BS then it worked because she got the session with me and it was awesome. If it was true I guess it is not too bizarre based on what I have read some suckers doing in this forum and in other places. Then again, who knows? Maybe she is the perfect wife, if not a virgin bride.
Chi Town Hustler
02-03-08, 02:41
I just spoke to a friend of mine who has a friend who owns a business very close to Help, I won't mention any names but you can take this for what it's worth. He was told Help management already has another club nearby and it is ready to go, maybe the transition will happen in a couple of months. That's it.I talked with a working girl she claims HELP last night will be Feb 25th she also claims that some girls are already talking about going to Spain or just droping the prices.
For us ***** DOGGS this short term recession just might be a good those missed meal cramps should do the trick and when the price come down lets keep it down.
JohnnyBraz
02-03-08, 04:06
I just spoke to my friend, and he said that his friend also bought her a restraunt, he is going to get the address for me and he is also going to get a photo off her for me, as I will be in Rio in less than 2 weeks. As soon as I get the photo I will post it on this board as I am sure that a few mongers would have spent time with her.
JohnnyBraz
02-03-08, 04:08
You know what they say. "Common sense is not a common thing"
I have seen this happen SO many times all over the world. It's really a shame. Just a few things to ALWAYS remember:
1. If you are looking for a puta, she'll find you. A puta is a puts is a puta is a puta. Never forget that. Yes, she may be sweet, she may be nice, maybe you even have a "connection". But, she IS working. She is working to raise cash, not to find a husband.
2. If there is more than a 15 year age difference between you (its generally more with you being MUCH older), ponder this. Why would a sweet, sexy, hot girl want to build a life with a 40+ year old man who probably:
A) is either fat, balding, ignorant to her culture and language (any or all of those) b)has alot of baggage like an ex-wife, kids, etc.
C)wants her to leave her friends, family, country to be in a strange land with no language skills, no family, etc, etc, etc
Need I go on? I could finish the alphabet. Of course, the reason is MONEY. Do I blame her? Of course not. If you were living in a poor country, with no future except selling your ass to middle age tourists, with (most likely) parents and siblings depending on you to bring home the $$, what would you do? You'd be looking to maximize your earning potential in the least amount of your (short lived) puta time. Remember, they may be poor but they CERTAINLY are not stupid. The only stupid ones in this equation are the ones who don't exercise their COMMON SENSE.
Remember: Play. Then pay. Then go home. I totally agree, funny thing is that there was only a 5 year age difference between them, he is 30 and she around 25.
JohnnyBraz
02-03-08, 04:12
I think it was both ways - he was p4p illiterate.
Nevertheless, there are *rare* cases where women do get off the street permanently. In the cases I know of, it has never been someone else that 'took' them off - it has been strong, intelligent women who deliberately did p4p for a while then just as deliberately stopped and made their former life as if it never existed. I don't think there are big generalisations so much as common sense to be observed. And leaving any woman alone for three months is, IMHO, asking a lot. Would you like to be left without sex for that time?
I think it is doubly hard if the initial relationship is one of hooker and punter.In my opinion there are 2 types off gdp's in Rio. There are the ones that come to Rio for a month or so, just to dig themselves out off a difficult financial situation, and they are alot more picky on who they sleep with, and generally I bit ashamed off what the done when they return to there home villiage or town. And there are the hardcore ones who there is no other lifestyle possible for them.
Hopefully this is premature, but maybe we should start a thread in tribute to Help, and to the great times that many of us had there.
I've met some of the most extraordinary women there, including this brunette with a luscious rack, Bettina. I'd seen her every night for about a week walking around Help. Every time I tried to make eye contact she'd give me a dirty look. Getting blown off at home in the States by non-pros is always good for my ego. But nothing quite matches the sting of getting rejected by a prostitute. It's like someone slammed you in the balls with a Louisville Slugger.
Anyways, one night I had enough caipivodka in me (no caipirinhas for this monger; I hate cachaça) to approach her. Amazingly she was very friendly. She was honest about being a GDP, but said she wasn't working that night. Why come here when you're off-duty, I asked. She said regardless of her not working, she still had certain "needs." I'm sure any guy there would have volunteered to fill those needs, especially if they knew her price for that night: Zero. I guess my timing was right, though, because much to my surprise, Bettina left with me.
We hit it off well enough that we started dating. It's the only time I had a bona fide (at least in my mind) romance with a GDP without paying for the first encounter. When I left for NY, she came with me to the airport and cried in my arms. I felt like Bogie at the end of Casablanca.
I came back to Rio about six months later and we resumed things. But asshole that I am, I fucked it up by standing her up one night. By that time our relationship had become "normalized" to the point where we would have gone out for dinner/drinks, maybe a moonlit stroll around Copacabana (nothing like taking your life in your hands to get the adrenaline pumping), then return to my apartment for great -- and here's the key point -- FREE sex. Instead I opted to blow her off and pay for sex with another garota I knew from Help.
I called Bettina the next morning and tried to BS her that I'd gotten too drunk to make the date. But she knew I was full of shit. She told me never to call her again, that I was just going to keep hurting her.
She was probably right, and I never bothered her again. But what a great memory! And it's all due to Help.
HoleRanger
02-03-08, 13:32
Next up Centaurus, it was a nice evening so I walked (20 mins) from the apt. To the terma. Once inside the marlble floors, tables and walls are clues you will be paying more. The cost. 400r, I decided to pay the fee up front even though previous posts suggested paying the entrance only then returning to pay for a girl (just in case, getting a refund could be tricky). Changed and went up to the Boite, nothing could have prepared me for what happened when I opened the door. Wow. 40 women and just me. Not another guy in the boite, it is 6:30p. M. I get a drink, exit to the relaxation room to regroup. Two other guys were there also so now it is 40 women and three guys. After an hour a few more guys start to arrive, I guess the 400r separates the men and the boys looking for a cheap thrill and flexing their chest like in some of the other termas. After an hour, I return to the boite where I met two sisters. I quietly slipped my pocket rocket under the dress of one of the sisters and in less than a minute she had an orgasm. She said it had been awhile and she needed to relax. The second sister dropped to her knees and begged me to pound her in the bum bum. Just got to love Rio, a few of the other girls watched and were quite interested in getting a turn w/the pocket rocket. After passing on a few more advances, I spot this smokin hot blonde spinner. Not my usual type but. Anyway she showed no interest so I shift my gaze elsewhere. After 20 minutes the blonde sits beside me orders a meal and we begin to chat. She tells me she has been observing me turning down advances and it has made her curious. After some more chit chat, I tell her I'am going to the t. V. Room and after she completes her meal to come visit me.
Well, about 15 minutes later she comes over and after a little converstaion, off to a room. She had excellent oral skills, loves to get pounded (her screaming probably broke a noise ordinance) and her favorite is doggy style. She can wiggle that bunda I tried to take her photo but I had it in movie mode. Duh! Didn't realize it at the time but I will get another shot and hopefully have a "Kodak Moment" to share.
All in all, Centaurus I would rate equal to MC just a bit more expensive and worth a visit. Enjoy!
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Friday night was not the best fantasy night I have seen there. It seemed really slow and a lot of guys.
Saturday night was packed, more girls, more guys. It seemed much better in quantity and quality of the girls.
The next 3 days entry is R$45 for those that want to go in. I am not planning on it, but I wasnt last night either!
I also went there with 2 buddies who had never been near Help. Their eyes were open so wide! it was fun to see them in the candy store!
Saw this on another board(credit to the individuals below for their post). Not sure if this article has been posted already on this board, but I havn't seen it here. I am hopeful that if help does close anytime soon that the garotas will just up and move to another venue. Or can this be the start of an all out assault by the evangelical governor and like minded individuals who want to rid Rio of prostitution while ignorant to the enormous economic boost sex tourists bring and believing that people like me would actually travel 10 hours just for the great culture of Brazil?
By crhesq on Sunday, February 03, 2008 - 7:49 pm: Edit Post
My dear brothers:
Every 8 months or so the rumors go around the boards of the demise of Club HELP, Rios one stop shopping market for nocturnal delights. Regretfully based upon this article it seems that this time there is no escaping the axe and soon Club HELP will be a distant memory. The news has spread on all the other boards. I guess the only thing that remains is how much time HELP has left. A moment of silence for a legendary landmark.
Here is the article:
Brazil's Most Notorious Prostitution House Becomes a
Museum
Written by Elma Lia Nascimento
Friday, 01 February 2008
Rio's Help Disco Brazil's most famous temple to lust and prostitution may soon become a fond memory for some and a glad-it's-gone for many others. Rio de Janeiro governor, Sérgio Cabral, has expropriated and declared state property the building and land that house the Help night-club, in Rio.
The place's address is 4 Djalma Ulrich street, corner of Atlântica avenue, in the heart of Copacabana, in the south side of Rio. Help, which is located in a 17, 200 square feet lot, has been, for about two decades now, a sanctuary for prostitutes and her clients, most of them Brazilian and foreign tourists.
The governor's decree bearing number 41, 151 was published this Tuesday, January 29, by Rio de Janeiro state's Daily Gazette. Cabral's intention is to use the place for Rio's Museum of Image and Sound (MIS), which is now housed downtown.
The state government's press office says the idea is to transform the location in an ample house of culture and leisure considerably broadening the MIS's reach and scope. The museum has a big collection of movies, radio clips and samba and bossa nova material.
Curiously Help isn't known as "boate" as Brazilians call a night-club or any other racier name like chicken ranch but as a family-oriented "discoteca. "
Help was born in 1984 as a disco for the affluent Cariocas (Rio residents). Before that decade had ended, however, the place became Rio's largest prostitution playground. In a time when the old discothèques are being called lounges, Discoteca or Disco Help kept the innocent aura of decades past.
Besides Help, there are two restaurants doing business in the same location to be expropriated: Terraço Atlântico and Sobre as Ondas (Over the Waves).
Commenting on the end of Help, a Copacabana resident rejoiced: "That is a big victory for Copacabana, an important step to fight prostitution in the neighborhood, because this night-club has got only *****s and gringos. The Museum of Image and Sound will be much welcome, despite the fact that the initial idea of setting up a Soccer Museum would make more sense because the MIS already has its place downtown and in the Lapa district. They might as well include the Havanna Club bar in this cleaning-up project since this is another spot that caters to prostitutes and johns. "
"With the end of Help the tendency is for the night bosses to strengthen their control, " said anthropologist Thaddeus Blanchette in an interview to daily Folha de S. Paulo. "There might be a professionalization in a bad way. "
Blanchette is co-author of the study: "Our Lady of Help: Sex, Tourism and Transnational Displacement in Copacabana. " The scientist believes that over 1, 000 ladies of the night sell their wares at Help during summer time, which is right now.
They all work as free-lancers paying a small fee to get in: 22 Brazilian reais (US$ 12. 4) before midnight and 32 reais (US$ 18) after that. The same price everybody else, man or woman, has to pay to enter the night-club.
The ladies may recoup the investment 20 times over with a john alone for a short session lasting less than one hour. Prices may vary quite a bit, however, starting a low US$ 25. The place stays open until 5:30 am every day.
Hip hop and techno are the main musical food offered. There's plenty of alcohol, with a beer going for about US$ 4 and a small bottle of champagne for around US$ 12. Vodka and whiskey are also available setting you down about US$ 10 a shot.
The expropriation of the Help building might take some time. The state will only take control of the place a couple of months after a judicial process in which the owners of the real estate will have their say on how much they will accept as compensation for the place.
All those leasing space in the building seemed surprised at the government's decision, despite the years-long pressure from the neighborhood against the *****house front.
Adriana Rattes, Rio's secretary of culture, is hopeful that as early as March she will be able to start planning for the new space and new museum, which she believes will count on the help of the private sector.
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By Bwana_dik on Sunday, February 03, 2008 - 8:52 pm: Edit Post
There was an article in O Dia confirming this story. Like so many stories, we won't know the ending for a little while, but it seems this is a far more serious threat than the stories if the past. The governor of Rio is an evangelical and is bent on ridding the city and state of evil influences.
Friday night was not the best fantasy night I have seen there. It seemed really slow and a lot of guys.
Saturday night was packed, more girls, more guys. It seemed much better in quantity and quality of the girls.
The next 3 days entry is R$45 for those that want to go in. I am not planning on it, but I wasnt last night either!
I also went there with 2 buddies who had never been near Help. Their eyes were open so wide! it was fun to see them in the candy store!
Were video cameras allowed? How about digital cameras? I remember YEARS ago when everyone used to bring inthier big video cameras and film everything. Once the internet came around, they stopped that shit!
That's cool, the gdp's have to go somewhere for there partying lifestyle. Will be there in less than 2 weeks. Can't wait.They are planning to move to the old bingo hall in Arporador.
Were video cameras allowed? How about digital cameras? I remember YEARS ago when everyone used to bring inthier big video cameras and film everything. Once the internet came around, they stopped that shit!Cameras were allowed.
Chi Town Hustler
02-03-08, 22:18
Brazil's most famous temple to lust and prostitution may soon become a fond memory for some and a glad-it's-gone for many others. Rio de Janeiro governor, Sérgio Cabral, has expropriated and declared state property the building and land that house the Help night-club, in Rio.
The place's address is 4 Djalma Ulrich street, corner of Atlântica avenue, in the heart of Copacabana, in the south side of Rio. Help, which is located in a 17, 200 square feet lot, has been, for about two decades now, a sanctuary for prostitutes and her clients, most of them Brazilian and foreign tourists.
The governor's decree bearing number 41, 151 was published this Tuesday, January 29, by Rio de Janeiro state's Daily Gazette. Cabral's intention is to use the place for Rio's Museum of Image and Sound (MIS), which is now housed downtown. The state government's press office says the idea is to transform the location in an ample house of culture and leisure considerably broadening the MIS's reach and scope. The museum has a big collection of movies, radio clips and samba and bossa nova material.
Curiously Help isn't known as "boate" as Brazilians call a night-club or any other racier name like chicken ranch but as a family-oriented "discoteca. "
Help was born in 1984 as a disco for the affluent Cariocas (Rio residents). Before that decade had ended, however, the place became Rio's largest prostitution playground. In a time when the old discothèques are being called lounges, Discoteca or Disco Help kept the innocent aura of decades past.
Besides Help, there are two restaurants doing business in the same location to be expropriated: Terraço Atlântico and Sobre as Ondas (Over the Waves).
Commenting on the end of Help, a Copacabana resident rejoiced: "That is a big victory for Copacabana, an important step to fight prostitution in the neighborhood, because this night-club has got only *****s and gringos. The Museum of Image and Sound will be much welcome, despite the fact that the initial idea of setting up a Soccer Museum would make more sense because the MIS already has its place downtown and in the Lapa district. They might as well include the Havanna Club bar in this cleaning-up project since this is another spot that caters to prostitutes and johns. "
"With the end of Help the tendency is for the night bosses to strengthen their control, " said anthropologist Thaddeus Blanchette in an interview to daily Folha de S. Paulo. "There might be a professionalization in a bad way. "
Blanchette is co-author of the study: "Our Lady of Help: Sex, Tourism and Transnational Displacement in Copacabana. " The scientist believes that over 1, 000 ladies of the night sell their wares at Help during summer time, which is right now. They all work as free-lancers paying a small fee to get in: 22 Brazilian reais (US$ 12. 4) before midnight and 32 reais (US$ 18) after that. The same price everybody else, man or woman, has to pay to enter the night-club.
The ladies may recoup the investment 20 times over with a john alone for a short session lasting less than one hour. Prices may vary quite a bit, however, starting a low US$ 25. The place stays open until 5:30 am every day.
Hip hop and techno are the main musical food offered. There's plenty of alcohol, with a beer going for about US$ 4 and a small bottle of champagne for around US$ 12. Vodka and whiskey are also available setting you down about US$ 10 a shot. The expropriation of the Help building might take some time. The state will only take control of the place a couple of months after a judicial process in which the owners of the real estate will have their say on how much they will accept as compensation for the place.
All those leasing space in the building seemed surprised at the government's decision, despite the years-long pressure from the neighborhood against the *****house front.
Adriana Rattes, Rio's secretary of culture, is hopeful that as early as March she will be able to start planning for the new space and new museum, which she believes will count on the help of the private sector.
Colombaa’S Rio Adventure
Day 1
Arrived in Rio after 8hr flight from Miami and for my surprise I felt I landed in my home town in Colombo suburb. The stink was unbearable and airport was rather chaotic. The exchange cambio at the airport sucks with poor exchange rates. Just changed the money for taxi only. The ATM rates are best even though they take 8R$ service fee. At the same time the bureaucracy at the airport was surprising. I was stuck at the customs for more than two hours; this is one lazy international airport. The Asian airports are very much better.
The Julio of the clubrio4travel was there to greet me and take me to my apartment at the Ipanema. His cost was 25R$ and cheap, fast and safe. He speaks fairly good English and recommended cell phone rental for cheap price too. 8R$ per day I think is a bargain but vivo rates are insanely expensive.
I was greeted by the apartment renter at his apartment and he changed the original apartment I booked, I was given a apartment at 12th floor of a building which bears Pakistani Name! In nice area in Ipanema.
After quick wash decided to try first girl in Rio, called CIA plus as it was Saturday and they send Juliana.
She was a lovely morena and wanted cash upfront. Thanks to my little Portuguese I managed to tell her no way. After some haggling she called her handler and agree to stay and entertain me. I was rather taken aback with the experience first up but she was good. Sorry I did not have a photo of her. She was not completa even though her handler said that she was completa. Rather disappointing start.
In the afternoon went out and did little shopping and stock up basic essentials for a week.
Went out to the copa and got some money changed, I can manage lots of pussy and bunda for a week for that money.
In the afternoon hit the Ipanema beach and went to l’uomo and looked around the talent. The girls are limited and sampled the Carolina with dental braces. Again forgot the camera and cursed my self. The performances were good and she was a completa for my satisfaction. She gave her number and promised to come to my apartment.
Came back to the apartment after couple of hours at l’uomo and had nice food at Italian restaurant with nice Caipirinha. The waitress at the restaurant was very positive and receptive and invited her for cup of coffee which she gladly accepted.
Felt still not satisfied called the CIA plus again and they send the first real winner Dianna, one of the beauties I will ever repeat. Absolutely kinky and wild at the bed. Called it a day after spending two exhausting hours with her.
Day 2
Initiated the day with few hours at the Ipanema and aproador beach. Water is absolutely filthy and will get sick if you dip your ass there and avoided completely. I was marveled by the beauty of Rio and people as they are simply beautiful. I am sure they are pretty keen on their skin color and corpo! Simply adorable.
Thought of doing some sight seeing and went to Sugar Loaf Mountain and took a wild ride on the cable car. Man that was pretty scary as it swings all over the place when it stops and takes off. The views were fantastic as the day was very clear. See the attached photos.
In the afternoon called the Sabrina Ferrari for a two hour session. She was advertised on hot side but she was not very appealing at the real life. Fatty and overweight but sex was good. Her oral skills and English skills were both good. Later in the day went to the l’uomo again but there were more guys than girls! Settled for the bruna, quite aggressive girl who was rather disappointment at the bed.
Went to the help same night.
Help was over rated and there were so many girls not worth checking. There were so many old gringos girls were simply spoiled. Later in the morning decided to take a girl from minas gerais again for rather poor show at the bed. Sent her packing after single pop.
Day 3
I was feeling sick whole day but wanted to check out the quarto por quarto. Morning session spend doing shopping and talking to some street non gdps. They were friendly and openly told that they are not programmas.
As it was Monday tried to locate and check the local museum but rather disappointed with the collection at the national museum at the Flamengo Park. Afternoon went to 4x4 and place was rocking. I sampled this beauty that was an energizer bunny. She was fantastic and funny love to pose to the camera.
After enjoying great one hour I went to see the show and the music, funk baile and girls show was simply outstanding. The crowed was mainly locals even though there were few gringos. Most mistook me for a carioca due to my color and started to talk to me in Portuguese!
Stayed few hours in the afternoon and saw some familiar faces. I simply did not have enough energy to try any of other beauties. Will try them another day.
Day 4
It was raining cats and dogs and was quite cool outside and decided to call Karla models. They send the firm bodied Arlene who was really known what she was doing. She left exhausting me. In the afternoon I was feeling quite sick and took some medication from the drugoria.
Thought of exploring the peripheries on my own and took bus, to Viagem Grande. Just managed to stay cool in an unknown environment with some 500$ and Camera in my pocket in a village quite similar to my home country. People are so similar that in several occasions few ladies ask me time and directions! My Portuguese was extremely poor but managed to get away using the few words I knew.
I felt that I came home rather than in a vacation when I visited the Viagem Grande. Took return bud to Barra and did some window shopping.
I was so exhausted that I thought of calling it a day with out much exploring the night scène but ended up going to the Help and ended up with this not so beauty but best in the bed
Day 5
She stayed until next day and had several fantastic sessions with her. Boy, Rio girls know how to entertain and have great sex. I was not at all disappointed with their talent.
She left late afternoon and I went to Copacabana to explore the beach.
In the afternoon tried the termas 502 and sampled this beauty. Even though its cheap will not try low end termas simply due to poor hygiene. I can tolerate lots of things but not the poor hygiene, sorry folks, that’s my taste.
After the termas 502 moved little up and ended at the termas 65. The place was little expensive but ended up doing dupla with one morena and one Indian looking girl. Both were really fantastic and had a ball with them. They used a dildo and put up a great show.
Day 06
I wanted to visit the coracavado but it was raining so heavily, however, I took a chance and went to see the place. I got absolutely soaked but never regret the experience. That place was awesome and gave the variety to the trip. I am no catholic or religious but it was an experience.
Later in the day visited the quarto por quarto again and did the deed with one of the skinny girls. She was not the most beautiful but simply outstanding on the bed. She took up it her ass with out problem and had a great session with her.
Day 7
The day initiated with a bang but I was exhausted after hammered by this Brazilian bunnies. Even though I am relatively fit and young I found that it’s still difficult to handle them. Decided to go on favela tour. It was quite interesting to see the carioca, 25%of the population live there. It reminds me of the some of the shanties I visited, dharavi in India and Thotalanga in Sri Lanka. The favelas are much more developed than both the places I mentioned before. I did not see any gun carrying guys while in Rocinha but some head turning beauties, of course. In the afternoon I was so tired and decided to call another girl from the CIA plus again. They send one of skinny girls who took it up the ass straight away. She was fun and did the deed to the fullest. I am really impressed with them, no doubt.
Day 8
They last day in Rio. I hit the beach early in the day and wanted to hit l’uomo once before I leave this sin city. Later in the day hit the l’uomo and had best of the time with this beauty. I regretted that I got to leave Rio that night when say to her good bye. By eight Julio was there to pick me up and drop at the airport. I said final goodbye to the cidade marvelhosa, no doubt. Final thoughts and other musings
I got to thank all the members and follow mongers who shared their experienced which was greatly helpful. Learning the language is simply important. Haggling is the expectation and custom.
Used taxis and metro buses as transport is so cheap here is Rio. Termas are fun and 4x4 wins hands down in my book. Call girls are hit and miss but had great girls tapping at my door. Help is quite similar to call girls but you can negotiate. Food is dirt cheap and there are so many places you can eat, love their churrascariah and fiejiada completa.
I loved caipirinha but did not indulged in too much there fore not to ruin my vacation. Engage in activities other than mongering help me to understand and get the feel of the people. The carioca love their dogs, obsessed with the skin tan and their hand bags!
I haven’t seen such cuties in NYC, Manhattan. They love their drinks too, there are so many street corner drinking places and people drink through out the day, even though unhealthy, seems to be fun. I personally think Skol can compete pretty well with Corona, my favorite beer.
Normal girls are everywhere and easy to approach if you know little language. I am disappointed with the water which was absolutely filthy, Brazilians got a long way to go to attract real high-end tourists apart from mongers and just beach worshippers.
I will be going back to Rio again and will learn more Portuguese before nest trip. I will stick to termas than escort girls and look forward to make connections with normal girls. Love this city and will do more sight seeing and visit the other parts of the country as well.
Lastly I will be seriously considering moving to brazil.
Will add the photos later,
Peace and happy hunting
Muito obrigad Rio
Colombaa alias David
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Mr Enternational
02-04-08, 06:52
Oi, could you tell me what is the difference about fucking in Brasil and Peru? I mean are there hotter girls in Brasil or Peru? .... and how much hotter?
Peruanas are very shy. Comparable to Thai women, if you know anything about them. They like lights off and to be under sheets. Not much of the bisexual thing going on, not even for acting purposes(as seen in Brazil termas). Just got back from Lima. Met a stunner who had just broken up with her b/f. She said that he said she wasn't as hot in the sack as his last g/f. She said she really tried, but oh well.
Is it more expensive to get fucking in Brasil or Peru?
At Tequila Rock (Lima's version of Help) they will try to start at US$100 for the night. They can be talked down to 80 easily. You are really special if you get them to 60. However, the other day was my wingman's virgin trip. He paid 88 and she didn't even stay all night. He should have known better being a professional Rio monger. You can see in this thread that at Help guys pay anywhere from US$57/night (out front) to $171 and up.
You have Eclipse in Lima costing 100 - 200 comparable to termas such as 4X4 and Luomo in Brazil.
You can go to Las Cucardas in Lima (comparable to a R$1/min joint in Rio) and pay $6.80 entrance w/ 1 free cuba libre, girls $10.25 before 5, $13.65 after 5 for 30 minutes..no cameras or cell phones allowed. Or you can go to Troc (comparable to VM but costs less). $1 entrance and $4 or $5 for chicks.
I'd like to know it about principal and touristic towns and no touristic towns of both countries.
Peru has Cuzco and Trujillo (check Peru thread for more info). Brazil: start off in Rio.
Attached is a pic of the stunner I mentioned.
Friday night was not the best fantasy night I have seen there. It seemed really slow and a lot of guys.
Saturday night was packed, more girls, more guys. It seemed much better in quantity and quality of the girls.
The next 3 days entry is R$45 for those that want to go in. I am not planning on it, but I wasnt last night either!
I also went there with 2 buddies who had never been near Help. Their eyes were open so wide! it was fun to see them in the candy store!
Did they have the back room open? I was there last week and even though the club was PACKED, they never opened the back room to alleviate the overcrowding!
Did they have the back room open? I was there last week and even though the club was PACKED, they never opened the back room to alleviate the overcrowding!I think it was open, but never got that far. Did not go there last night, watched Super Bowl at Balcony..
Brazil's most famous temple to lust and prostitution may soon become a fond memory for some and a glad-it's-gone for many others. Rio de Janeiro governor, Sérgio Cabral, has expropriated and declared state property the building and land that house the Help night-club, in Rio.
They might as well include the Havanna Club bar in this cleaning-up project since this is another spot that caters to prostitutes and johns. "
Interesting article, even though the Havanna Club is already closed I guess they mean Meia Patacca. This will be great news for the Rio Othon Palace Hotel as I think their business has suffered in recent years because of both of these establishments, I'll bet they were partially behind getting rid of Help and next Meia Patacca. Next Ho beach.
They are planning to move to the old bingo hall in Arporador.
This is the address
Bingo Arpoador
Rua Francisco Otaviano, 35 - Copacabana
Just a couple of blocks away, I heard they have been working on it already. This is more or less behind the Sofitel across the street from Cassino Shopping but a block over maybe closer to Ipanema.
This is a Tragedy the closing of of club help its a mongering tragedy i had great memories about that empire of club helpie.
The termas will get a great new crop of girls.
MOST, not all help girls won't get work in a Termas for two reasons;
A- 75% of them aren't young enough or good looking enough.
B- a lot of the ones that are young enough or pretty enough won't pass the weekly health checks.
Balcony or Mabs might get very busy but I don't think it will affect the Termas trade.
Mercenario
02-04-08, 21:11
I will be going back to Rio again and will learn more Portuguese before nest trip. I will stick to termas than escort girls and look forward to make connections with normal girls.
Colombaa alias DavidSeems you really have been falling in love with Brazil/Rio.
You can get some training and contacts by the Brazilian Site http://voxcards.ig.com.br/voxnamoros/main.asp
This site is in Portuguese language only, therefore there is absolutely no scam. It costs some money (some 10 USD) to get a gold membership with all possibilities, but it´s worth the money.
In 2005 I made a lot of 1st class contacts before I went to Rio. None of the girls wanted some money before and after I had fucked them (all). One of the girls was my girl-friend through all my holidays. During the day she worked in the financial district, so I had enough time to monger around and meet all the other girls.
Cheers!
MOST, not all help girls won't get work in a Termas for two reasons;
A- 75% of them aren't young enough or good looking enough.
B- a lot of the ones that are young enough or pretty enough won't pass the weekly health checks.
Balcony or Mabs might get very busy but I don't think it will affect the Termas trade.
I've been to Rio 20-30 times, and I've never made it to Help. Seems like I've not missed anything. Help is worse than I imagined.
Chi Town Hustler
02-05-08, 04:58
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JohnnyBraz
02-05-08, 07:27
I spoke to a gdp in Rio on the phone the other night and she told me that Help is 100% closing at the end of Febuary. I am now quite convinced that it will be closing. Or well, atleast I'll be there for the end off help party. As I would imagine that they would have a special party night for it closing. Anyone know the exact date I have heard the 25th, but that is a Monday, I would have thought that it would end on maybe the Sunday before.
i've been to rio 20-30 times, and i've never made it to helpee. seems like i've not missed anything. helpee is worse than i imagined.
yes, you have missed something. that's like going to new york and not seeing the empire state building. remember, those percentages are just someone's opinion.
JohnnyBraz
02-05-08, 09:28
Yes, you have missed something. That's like going to New York and not seeing the Empire State Building. Remember, those percentages are just someone's opinion.As soon as someone mentions Rio, I think of Help.
i've been to rio 20-30 times, and i've never made it to helpee. seems like i've not missed anything. helpee is worse than i imagined.help, like anything else will depend on what you make of it. i've always found beautiful, sexy, nice, sensual gdps that were willing to please and have fun. i've also been there when the talent was less than desirable. some people love helpee and some hate it. in order to gain an intelligent perspective, one should check it out first hand and not rely on secondary accounts. i love and hate helpee and will always check it out while i'm in town or some version of it since its closing again for the millionth time.
lonzof
Exec Talent
02-05-08, 18:22
A guy from Down Under was talking with me last night at a termas. He said he was less than impressed with the girls and particularly how they wanted to rush things.
I have been in Rio several times during Carnaval which is why I do not advise guys to come during that time. The girls try to get as many guys in as possible.
If you are here, my advice is to pretend it is a basketball game and you are playing against a running team. Slow it down. Take your time before you commit to the room. Once in the room, again, take your time. The fact that they want to rush things so they can get onto the next guy is not your issue. It is your money and your time. Before you go to the room tell the girl you are going to take a shower and will wait for her to do the same. I heard a lot of water running in the suites last night as I was passing in the hallways. They should be showering on their time, not yours. One guy told me that a girl even went in to take a crap during his session! Your money, your time. Manage it wisely.
Also, arrive early. Do you really want to be the guy who has been with her the 4th and 5th time?
BTW, same goes for Help, escorts or other girls you meet. It is essential to agree on the time. Otherwise, they will try to rush you.
Guys who only come to Rio for Carnaval in my opinion get the worse (other than the real Carnaval activities) that Rio has to offer and often pay outrageous prices for it.
Guys who only come to Rio for Carnaval in my opinion get the worse (other than the real Carnaval activities) that Rio has to offer and often pay outrageous prices for it.
Unless you go to the nice cheapy places of course ;-)))
help, like anything else will depend on what you make of it. i've always found beautiful, sexy, nice, sensual gdps that were willing to please and have fun. i've also been there when the talent was less than desirable. some people love helpee and some hate it. in order to gain an intelligent perspective, one should check it out first hand and not rely on secondary accounts. i love and hate helpee and will always check it out while i'm in town or some version of it since its closing again for the millionth time.
lonzof
very wise advice. the great thing about rio is that there are many, many different options for the many, many different tastes and budgets and inclinations. mongers (like myself) may be so happy with what they have that they don't venture out to the many other greener (vm and help) or not-so-greener pastures. everyone's rio is probably different.
This is the address
Bingo Arpoador
Rua Francisco Otaviano, 35 - Copacabana
Just a couple of blocks away, I heard they have been working on it already. This is more or less behind the Sofitel across the street from Cassino Shopping but a block over maybe closer to Ipanema.
I know the area very well. Ive stay at oceanfront condo on Rua Fransisco Octaviano 15. Interesting to see if the neighbors allow gdps and johns in that area. Just does not have the same appeal as being ave atlantica.
Lonzof
WTF ET! The guy simply said that the link to Blame it on rio directed him to Amazon. com ,which was advertising that silly book, which is clearly the case.Whats the big deal? Where did you get the him peddling the book part?
I'm definitely not peddling that anti-mongering book. In a weird way, though, the book's helped me. ET's going to rake me over the coals on this, but I just got a book deal to write about mongering from a monger's perspective. (Tentative title: "Around the World in 80 Lays"; Larry Flynt came up with it.) One of the things that sealed the deal, besides my mongering articles in Hustler and other fine "family publications," was that the publisher feels my book could be a counterpoint to the anti-mongering book. (ET, if it's any consolation, I promise to mention you, maybe even in the acknowledgments.)
I'm definitely not peddling that anti-mongering book. In a weird way, though, the book's helped me. ET's going to rake me over the coals on this, but I just got a book deal to write about mongering from a monger's perspective. (Tentative title: "Around the World in 80 Lays"; Larry Flynt came up with it.) One of the things that sealed the deal, besides my mongering articles in Hustler and other fine "family publications," was that the publisher feels my book could be a counterpoint to the anti-mongering book. (ET, if it's any consolation, I promise to mention you, maybe even in the acknowledgments.)
Dude we have enough issues going on with the mongering scene without some dude writing a book about it. Writing a book of anykind will only bring unwanted attention, KEEP THE GAME TO YOURSELF AND AMONGST THE FELLAS!
Enough Said!
Exec Talent
02-06-08, 10:57
I'm definitely not peddling that anti-mongering book. In a weird way, though, the book's helped me. ET's going to rake me over the coals on this, but I just got a book deal to write about mongering from a monger's perspective. (Tentative title: "Around the World in 80 Lays"; Larry Flynt came up with it.) One of the things that sealed the deal, besides my mongering articles in Hustler and other fine "family publications," was that the publisher feels my book could be a counterpoint to the anti-mongering book. (ET, if it's any consolation, I promise to mention you, maybe even in the acknowledgments.)You are all about one thing. You. It disgusts me that we belong to the same species.
BTW, I wouldn't count on selling too many books. In fact, it would not surprise me if somehow your book ended up on an internet site where everyone could read it for free.
Anyone try to click on Bobby's website recently? It redirects to Amazon's page for that upcoming book by a black college professor slamming black mongers. Kind of weird, isn't it?
Link works OK for me now. Probably just a glitch, I doubt if it was on purpose. I have had some of my web sites act weird when renewing with the service provider.
Odd that this has stured up other discussions.
I cannot blame Rio Joe for wanting to make money by writing a book. Does not really affect me one way or the other. I can see how it might really destroy some mongers lives when family finds out the business trips to Brazil were probably not legit.
One ironic note. RJ mentioned Larry Flint. In Los Angeles the Brazilian consulate is in the Flynt Publications building!
I know the area very well. Ive stay at oceanfront condo on Rua Fransisco Octaviano 15. Interesting to see if the neighbors allow gdps and johns in that area. Just does not have the same appeal as being ave atlantica.
Lonzof
I don't know this neighborhood as well as you do but I use this street to walk from Copacabana to Ipanema sometimes. I did notice on the side of the street of Rua Francisco Otaviano, 35 there were some stores like surf shops, I didn't notice much residential.
Across the street there are several hotels which may balk at the opening of a new Help. There is The Copacabana Praia Hotel, Residential Apart Hotel at 42 and The Hotel Cristal Palace at 56. I know the Rio Othon Palace wanted to get rid of Help in its current location as many regular tourists stayed away from that hotel because of it's proximity to Help and Meia Pataca. Others in the area who catered to the Mongers might not be so happy to see them leave.
The hotels in the area of the new location, even though may gain some new clients because of Helps new location may not want this type of clientele and may not be guest friendly going forward and regular tourists may not want to stay there because it is across the street from a nightclub like Help and all the characters that it attracts. So you’re right there could be some friction about this.
I don't know what the name of the new club is going to be but I doubt they would call it Help again considering it's reputation. Maybe they'll try to sneak in the neighborhood as a new club but allow the GDP's in and that'll be it all over again. But you're right it'll never be the same, it's location on Ave. Atlantica was perfect and inside I just can't imagine them duplicating a club that size with the bars, the dance floor and the balcony, it'll never be the same. I have never been inside Arpoador Bingo and don't know how big a space it is. They might have been better off if there was a space near Ave. Princess Isabel.
Dude we have enough issues going on with the mongering scene without some dude writing a book about it. Writing a book of anykind will only bring unwanted attention, KEEP THE GAME TO YOURSELF AND AMONGST THE FELLAS!
Enough Said!Could not have said it better myself.
I'm definitely not peddling that anti-mongering book. In a weird way, though, the book's helped me. ET's going to rake me over the coals on this, but I just got a book deal to write about mongering from a monger's perspective. (Tentative title: "Around the World in 80 Lays"; Larry Flynt came up with it.) One of the things that sealed the deal, besides my mongering articles in Hustler and other fine "family publications," was that the publisher feels my book could be a counterpoint to the anti-mongering book. (ET, if it's any consolation, I promise to mention you, maybe even in the acknowledgments.)
All together now, everyone repeat after me "sell out". While you are at it, give away the website and everyones name and handle!
Lonzof
Maybe I'm just slow on the pickup, but what exactly is wrong with writing a book about mongering? It's not as if it hasn't been done before. I have seen books on the mongering scene in Rio and many many more on the same thing in Bangkok. As far back as the early 1980s I remember picking up a book in Reno that was a guide to Nevada brothels; actually I found it quite helpful! (Most Nevada brothels are in rural areas and can be hard to find.)
There is nothing for mongers to be worried about if Rio Joe's book reaches print. These books never make the New York Times best seller list, and they usually don't make it to regular bookstores. They are usually sold by mail order or at sexually oriented businesses, and they quickly become out of date. I think such a book might actually be helpful to a newbie. What is this forum, anyway, but an internet version of such a book? So relax, guys, this will have little if any effect on your mongering world.
L
Maybe I'm just slow on the pickup, but what exactly is wrong with writing a book about mongering? It's not as if it hasn't been done before. I have seen books on the mongering scene in Rio and many many more on the same thing in Bangkok. As far back as the early 1980s I remember picking up a book in Reno that was a guide to Nevada brothels; actually I found it quite helpful! (Most Nevada brothels are in rural areas and can be hard to find.)
There is nothing for mongers to be worried about if Rio Joe's book reaches print. These books never make the New York Times best seller list, and they usually don't make it to regular bookstores. They are usually sold by mail order or at sexually oriented businesses, and they quickly become out of date. I think such a book might actually be helpful to a newbie. What is this forum, anyway, but an internet version of such a book? So relax, guys, this will have little if any effect on your mongering world.
L
It isnt a "How to Monger" style book. Its more like an asshole who wrote about all the social ills of men who go to Rio for sex. It primarily slams black men for traveling to Brasil. He wrote an article last year in Essence magazine (full of BS lies) and caused a huge stir, now he is pushing this book.
It isnt a "How to Monger" style book. Its more like an asshole who wrote about all the social ills of men who go to Rio for sex. It primarily slams black men for traveling to Brasil. He wrote an article last year in Essence magazine (full of BS lies) and caused a huge stir, now he is pushing this book.
Well if that's the case, I stand corrected. I thought it was another how-to-find-pussy book.
It isnt a "How to Monger" style book. Its more like an asshole who wrote about all the social ills of men who go to Rio for sex. It primarily slams black men for traveling to Brasil. He wrote an article last year in Essence magazine (full of BS lies) and caused a huge stir, now he is pushing this book.
Again, that's not my book. Mine will be about mongering FROM a monger's viewpoint. I'm not the one who wrote the article in Essence slamming black mongers. That being said, my book is more of a monger's "Sex and the City" (with more testosterone, obviously) than a how-to book. There will be plenty of useful info for newbies, though.
JohnnyBraz
02-07-08, 07:51
Any up to date info on terma 502 in Centro?
Number and quality of women?
Is BBBJ standard there?
What are this years prices?
I'm going to be in Rio in a week, just doing termas list.
Will do atleast 1 terma per day, for 3 weeks.
HoleRanger
02-07-08, 15:43
well, it's been an experience, conducted some business and got plenty of r & r in. last night i decided to visit "barbarellas", interesting concept a strip club in rio? before going, i wondered, that's like selling swamp land in the everglades. why go to a stripclub with all the other options? oh well, glad i went, i will usually try anything once. almost anything. turned out my best lay of the trip was woman i met from sp here, 300r for three hours. the girl ph_ _ _ed my brains out, we broke the support beam under my bed. she took it in all holes and just could not get enough. about the same cost as the most expensive terma i visited, centaurus. you have to pay 50r to enter and 50r to take a girl out. the strippers were hot but i preferred the other girls just there dancing and working (like at helpe).
per square foot, the highest level of talent i have seen considering this place is kinda small. one side of the club, strippers are on stage. on the other side of the club a dance floor where girls and guys are dancing and in the middle as well as around the club booths, tables and chairs.
a lot of silicon on display but not all are enhanced. put this spot on your list, at least for a peek.
enjoy! i'll be back.
I'm looking for any mongers feedback on the Rio Ross Hotel. I did post this on the hotel thread, but not much response. I really want to know how the rooms are. The location is great. And i'm cwondering if they charge for guests? Another one I was looking into was the Praia Lido. Looks nice enough. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. I'm actually headed down to Rio on tuesday so it's a little last minute. thanks.
Jonnybraz,
If I were you will avoid the termas 502. Did it couple of weeks ago and not impress with level of hygiene.
But thats my take
Happy hunting,
Colombaa alias David
Chi Town Hustler
02-08-08, 01:13
I'm looking for any mongers feedback on the Rio Ross Hotel. I did post this on the hotel thread, but not much response. I really want to know how the rooms are. The location is great. And i'm cwondering if they charge for guests? Another one I was looking into was the Praia Lido. Looks nice enough. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. I'm actually headed down to Rio on tuesday so it's a little last minute. thanks.I think the Rio Ross is very disgusting and not sanitary. I stayed in the Hotel once and the comforter on the bed had cum stains and the air condition didn't work. I changed my room and it was equally disgusting the girl that I had that night said the bed wasn't clean because we both broke out with little bumps I suspect the bed had some bed bugs. The next day I checked out and into a very nice modern apartment for the same price.
I have stayed at this hotel many times. On the seedy side, but at one of the best locations in Copa. Totally girl friendly. Good breakfast included. Get one of the top floor rooms, those in the corner actually have ocean views. 1102 is the room I like if I recall.
Hope this helps!
Any up to date info on terma 502 in Centro?
Number and quality of women?
[EM] Good number, comparable to L'uomo or Solarium. Quality lower but not outrageously so. Some girls could work in upscale termas but would be average or below average there. Some are too old. Some are too fat. Some are way too fat. They have two girls that must be 260+ each although one claims to be a porn star. There are some cuties, just less than the upscale joints. I have a friend that says he found a great one there that was fired from 4x4 because she was too unreliable.
Is BBBJ standard there?
[EM] I am 5 for 5.
What are this years prices?
[EM] I think R$77 20 min, R$102 for 40 min, R$112 for hour.
I'm going to be in Rio in a week, just doing termas list.
Will do atleast 1 terma per day, for 3 weeks.See my answers embedded above.
502 ain't bad. If I lived in Rio I would probably hit it once a week or so for some attitude adjustment. It has some drawbacks though. I did not like wearing my own clothes in the smoke filled room and there is nowhere to relax so it is better for get in-get out quick action. Level of service seems to be lower on the 20 minute sessions but strangely they did not seem to push for the hour. Also, there is a pretty good chance you will be the only gringo there which I find refreshing.
So I made about $100 in calls from the US today to a bunch of different hotels and seems like most of them are not to girl friendly. Martinique said no guests. Augosto's charges 80 Reals per night. The Luxor Regente said no and so did Mirimar Palace. I decided I wanted something a little nicer then the Rio Rioss based on the feedback that i got from the board. I looked in to apartments, but couldn't find anything decent on such short notice. Any suggestions from the board would be greatly appreciated...
So I made about $100 in calls from the US today to a bunch of different hotels and seems like most of them are not to girl friendly. Martinique said no guests. Augosto's charges 80 Reals per night. The Luxor Regente said no and so did Mirimar Palace. I decided I wanted something a little nicer then the Rio Rioss based on the feedback that i got from the board. I looked in to apartments, but couldn't find anything decent on such short notice. Any suggestions from the board would be greatly appreciated...Do what I do stay at the Rio Rioss for one night, while looking for a better place. I guess it depends on how long you're staying, some guys don't want to waste a day looking at different places.
JohnnyBraz
02-08-08, 07:59
See my answers embedded above.
502 ain't bad. If I lived in Rio I would probably hit it once a week or so for some attitude adjustment. It has some drawbacks though. I did not like wearing my own clothes in the smoke filled room and there is nowhere to relax so it is better for get in-get out quick action. Level of service seems to be lower on the 20 minute sessions but strangely they did not seem to push for the hour. Also, there is a pretty good chance you will be the only gringo there which I find refreshing.Edward m,
Thanks for your info, I will definetley have to try it, if the women arn't up to scratch I will simply have 6 to 8 beers and then leave. I only fuck gorgeous young (18 to 23) women. But want to try out every terma in centro.
Rio Joe,
This is one off the best reports that I have read. Brilliant report.
Was it once published in a hustler porn magazine? Slightly different but I think it's the same, not in as much depth as this.
Johnny, thanks for the kind words. There are so many great reports on this website, it's nice to know that mine don't get lost in the shuffle. I wrote about some of the same encounters in Hustler. It was my first paid assignment in Rio. Hustler essentially was paying me to bang beautiful Brasileiras and write about it. For the first time, I knew how a GDP felt. It's nice to get paid to get laid!
Rio joe,
Do you have any photos of juliana? I read the article in the australian hustler in 2005. That was waht sent me to Rio. Also where did she live in a favela, out off Rio?
You saw the article in Australia? Awesome! I don't have any photos of Juliana. I think she left the business a few years ago. She lived in Rio. It seemed like a favela, but she said it wasn't. I'll never forget trekking through an ocean of mud to get to her house. She was definitely well worth it.
Professor 1
02-08-08, 16:24
So I made about $100 in calls from the US today to a bunch of different hotels and seems like most of them are not to girl friendly. Martinique said no guests. Augosto's charges 80 Reals per night. The Luxor Regente said no and so did Mirimar Palace. I decided I wanted something a little nicer then the Rio Rioss based on the feedback that i got from the board. I looked in to apartments, but couldn't find anything decent on such short notice. Any suggestions from the board would be greatly appreciated...
Contact the Hotel Aproador.
well, it's been an experience, conducted some business and got plenty of r & r in. last night i decided to visit "barbarellas", interesting concept a strip club in rio? before going, i wondered, that's like selling swamp land in the everglades. why go to a stripclub with all the other options? oh well, glad i went, i will usually try anything once. almost anything. turned out my best lay of the trip was woman i met from sp here, 300r for three hours. the girl ph_ _ _ed my brains out, we broke the support beam under my bed. she took it in all holes and just could not get enough. about the same cost as the most expensive terma i visited, centaurus. you have to pay 50r to enter and 50r to take a girl out. the strippers were hot but i preferred the other girls just there dancing and working (like at helpe).
per square foot, the highest level of talent i have seen considering this place is kinda small. one side of the club, strippers are on stage. on the other side of the club a dance floor where girls and guys are dancing and in the middle as well as around the club booths, tables and chairs.
a lot of silicon on display but not all are enhanced. put this spot on your list, at least for a peek.
enjoy! i'll be back.
was r300 the total cost or just the girl?
Hey Lancer 520,
I found these apartments when in Copaccbana May of last year 2007. They have many nice apartments good locations...this is their site www.thewonderfulcity.com.
Hope this helps !
Country Counter
02-08-08, 17:05
I went to Rio with 2 friends for 5 days over carnaval. Stopped by L'uomo twice. Met a couple of guys in there that I'm sure are ISG members. Listened to the same aussie guy that Exec Talent heard complaining about the quality of girls.
Hotel: Stayed at the Rio Majestic Palace. It's on Rua Cinco de Julho, standard 3 star place, nice breakfast buffet and it's walking distance to the beach, L'uomo, monte carlo and help. Very short taxi ride to most places in Copa. I didn't bring any girls back, but I saw a couple of guys just walk right in with theirs', no hassle.
Carnival: Used Rio-carnival.net for our tickets, no problems, the tickets were at the front desk when I arrived. The parade at the sambadrome was a sight to behold, definitely something we should all see once.
L'uomo: During carnaval you need to get there early. I got there shortly after opening both times that I was there and the girl: guy ratio was in my favor, but guys poured in around 7pm. Had 3 sessions with Ingrid and 1 with Lorena. I don't have to tell any L'uomo regular about Ingrid, she's the queen bee of the place, great in the sack too. After our third session (first of my second day there) she went off to talk to a regular and I went off to talk to Lorena, this caused some tension but what do I care, not looking for a girlfriend.
Lorena is a 22 year old morena, short, toned, d-cups, big ass, pierced tongue and clit hood and imho beautiful. She doesn't speak much english but gives great head. I'd been eyeing her since I first got there but Ingrid snapped me up first. Enjoy fellas.
Bubba Boys guide is all you really need to navigate Rio, great guide it is. The exchange rate definitely hurts as you monger in Copa these days, but it's hard to get the combination of looks and gfe outside of Brazil.
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Country Counter
02-08-08, 17:57
I used Copa Airlines to get to Rio from LA. There are some positives and one negative about using Copa. First, the good. The flight leaves LA at 1am and arrives in Panama City at 10: 30, then you leave at 11:45 and get to Rio by 22:00. It's the only way that I found that you can get to Rio on the same day from the west coast.
Copa is heavily affiliated with Continental and is now part of Sky Team so elite priviliges carry over. I got upgraded, priority baggage handling and priority check in. Copa is also usually the cheapest flight.
Here's the bad. Returning from Rio the flight leaves at 4:30 am and arrives in Panama at 8:30. The connection to LA is at 19:00. Crazy long layover. What I did was spend a night in Panama City and caught the flight the next day at no additional cost. Panama City has many Columbian girls to keep your bed warm for the night.
Currency exchange at the GIG airport can be a challenge. After you exit customs you can go to the third floor and walk through the food court to get to a bank of atms. Many of them had run out of cash during carnival, but I eventually found one that worked. Then go down to the departure level and catch a cab that just dropped someone off. It's much cheaper.
Dude we have enough issues going on with the mongering scene without some dude writing a book about it. Writing a book of anykind will only bring unwanted attention, KEEP THE GAME TO YOURSELF AND AMONGST THE FELLAS!
Enough Said!
I definitely agree with you. It will bring a lot of unwanted attention, and then there will be investigations etc......
Next thing you know party will be over
Brazil's most famous temple to lust and prostitution may soon become a fond memory for some and a glad-it's-gone for many others. Rio de Janeiro governor, Sérgio Cabral, has expropriated and declared state property the building and land that house the Help night-club, in Rio.
The place's address is 4 Djalma Ulrich street, corner of Atlântica avenue, in the heart of Copacabana, in the south side of Rio. Help, which is located in a 17, 200 square feet lot, has been, for about two decades now, a sanctuary for prostitutes and her clients, most of them Brazilian and foreign tourists.
The governor's decree bearing number 41, 151 was published this Tuesday, January 29, by Rio de Janeiro state's Daily Gazette. Cabral's intention is to use the place for Rio's Museum of Image and Sound (MIS), which is now housed downtown. The state government's press office says the idea is to transform the location in an ample house of culture and leisure considerably broadening the MIS's reach and scope. The museum has a big collection of movies, radio clips and samba and bossa nova material.
Curiously Help isn't known as "boate" as Brazilians call a night-club or any other racier name like chicken ranch but as a family-oriented "discoteca. "
Help was born in 1984 as a disco for the affluent Cariocas (Rio residents). Before that decade had ended, however, the place became Rio's largest prostitution playground. In a time when the old discothèques are being called lounges, Discoteca or Disco Help kept the innocent aura of decades past.
Besides Help, there are two restaurants doing business in the same location to be expropriated: Terraço Atlântico and Sobre as Ondas (Over the Waves).
Commenting on the end of Help, a Copacabana resident rejoiced: "That is a big victory for Copacabana, an important step to fight prostitution in the neighborhood, because this night-club has got only *****s and gringos. The Museum of Image and Sound will be much welcome, despite the fact that the initial idea of setting up a Soccer Museum would make more sense because the MIS already has its place downtown and in the Lapa district. They might as well include the Havanna Club bar in this cleaning-up project since this is another spot that caters to prostitutes and johns. "
"With the end of Help the tendency is for the night bosses to strengthen their control, " said anthropologist Thaddeus Blanchette in an interview to daily Folha de S. Paulo. "There might be a professionalization in a bad way. "
Blanchette is co-author of the study: "Our Lady of Help: Sex, Tourism and Transnational Displacement in Copacabana. " The scientist believes that over 1, 000 ladies of the night sell their wares at Help during summer time, which is right now. They all work as free-lancers paying a small fee to get in: 22 Brazilian reais (US$ 12. 4) before midnight and 32 reais (US$ 18) after that. The same price everybody else, man or woman, has to pay to enter the night-club.
The ladies may recoup the investment 20 times over with a john alone for a short session lasting less than one hour. Prices may vary quite a bit, however, starting a low US$ 25. The place stays open until 5:30 am every day.
Hip hop and techno are the main musical food offered. There's plenty of alcohol, with a beer going for about US$ 4 and a small bottle of champagne for around US$ 12. Vodka and whiskey are also available setting you down about US$ 10 a shot. The expropriation of the Help building might take some time. The state will only take control of the place a couple of months after a judicial process in which the owners of the real estate will have their say on how much they will accept as compensation for the place.
All those leasing space in the building seemed surprised at the government's decision, despite the years-long pressure from the neighborhood against the *****house front.
Adriana Rattes, Rio's secretary of culture, is hopeful that as early as March she will be able to start planning for the new space and new museum, which she believes will count on the help of the private sector.
Yeah its already confirmed!!!!!Help is closing in April, I am in Rio now and heard from a number of sources at the club. a few friends say another club might open in Ipanema, but those are rumors. So if you have not been to HELP book before april, its going to close for sure.
Madd love, who are your sources? My buddy emailed me yesterday to say the bouncers in help said the club was closing this month.
Exec Talent
02-08-08, 19:49
Madd love, who are your sources? My buddy emailed me yesterday to say the bouncers in help said the club was closing this month.
I got from a very reliable source (the guy who takes care of the men's room) that Help is not going to close. In my experience, these guys know more than most CEO's about what is really going on. This also was confirmed by another (unnamed) source.
BTW, I think Help, and in front of Help, is one of the best places to observe human behavior. On Wednesday there were more guys than girls and it looked to me like very few takers. Most of the guys were just dancing and few left with girls.
It is obvious that the guys who retired here (and hang out outside of Help) are really starting to feel it. Most were nursing the same drink (often water) for hours. The number of girls outside of Help was pretty sizable telling me that many cannot afford to go in without a sponsor.
Bottom line -- you can meet some of the hotest women and get a better price by arriving outside of Help around 10:00.
So I made about $100 in calls from the US today to a bunch of different hotels and seems like most of them are not to girl friendly. Martinique said no guests. Augosto's charges 80 Reals per night. The Luxor Regente said no and so did Mirimar Palace. I decided I wanted something a little nicer then the Rio Rioss based on the feedback that i got from the board. I looked in to apartments, but couldn't find anything decent on such short notice. Any suggestions from the board would be greatly appreciated...
Sheraton Towers on Avenida Niemeyer. Be sure to make your reservation for 2 guests (same room rate as one). That way they won't charge you for the girl, although she will have to register.
I got from a very reliable source (the guy who takes care of the men's room) that Help is not going to close. In my experience, these guys know more than most CEO's about what is really going on. This also was confirmed by another (unnamed) source.
BTW, I think Help, and in front of Help, is one of the best places to observe human behavior. On Wednesday there were more guys than girls and it looked to me like very few takers. Most of the guys were just dancing and few left with girls.
It is obvious that the guys who retired here (and hang out outside of Help) are really starting to feel it. Most were nursing the same drink (often water) for hours. The number of girls outside of Help was pretty sizable telling me that many cannot afford to go in without a sponsor.
Bottomline -- you can meet some of the hotest women and get a better price by arriving outside of Help around 10:00.
Sorry about that, it is closing this month, I think about 10 days from now
Madd love, who are your sources? My buddy emailed me yesterday to say the bouncers in help said the club was closing this month.
Sorry about that yeah help is closing this month, a few GDP´s told me and reconfirmed what you said and also another American.
But for sure it is closing
Chi Town Hustler
02-09-08, 00:45
So I made about $100 in calls from the US today to a bunch of different hotels and seems like most of them are not to girl friendly. Martinique said no guests. Augosto's charges 80 Reals per night. The Luxor Regente said no and so did Mirimar Palace. I decided I wanted something a little nicer then the Rio Rioss based on the feedback that I got from the board. I looked in to apartments, but couldn't find anything decent on such short notice. Any suggestions from the board would be greatly appreciated. Check out www.riorentals4less.com and ask to stay in the the South Beach apartment it's very nice and clean. Maid service everyday, full kitchen, safe box, very very clean and good security and nice location just 3 blocks from MP and half block from mondego restaurant.
Sorry about that yeah help is closing this month, a few GDP´s told me and reconfirmed what you said and also another American.
But for sure it is closing
Everybody seems to know when Help is closing, but does anyone know when the "new" Help will open?
Everybody seems to know when Help is closing, but does anyone know when the "new" Help will open?
Ditto Cho. I too am interested in this so-called new Help. Damn, I'm going miss Help.
Lonzof
JohnnyBraz
02-09-08, 03:24
Ditto Cho. I too am interested in this so-called new Help. Damn, I'm going miss Help.
LonzofI can't see it being thew same as help, but who knows? I'll be there in less than a week, what's help been like on Sundays nights?
JohnnyBraz
02-09-08, 03:55
Jonnybraz,
If I were you will avoid the termas 502. Did it couple of weeks ago and not impress with level of hygiene.
But thats my take
Happy hunting,
Colombaa alias DavidDavid 35,
What was the quality off women there like. How many, what time off day? Where they brunette's, blodnes, or of mixed race?
Anybody ask their gdp's what they are going to do when Help closes?
I got from a very reliable source (the guy who takes care of the men's room) that Help is not going to close. In my experience, these guys know more than most CEO's about what is really going on. This also was confirmed by another (unnamed) source.
What a relief to know that Help is not closing after all. If ET's willing to stake his sterling reputation on this, it should be good enough for all of us. End of story. It's like the CIA issuing a pronouncement on, let's say, secret weapons in Iraq. Who'd dare question the CIA's infallibility on such matters?
My next trip to Rio is in the summer. I'll be going to Help August 7th. Whoever's in town, let's meet at Terraco Atlantico at 10pm, and we'll go inside around 11:30. My source (her cousin goes to school with the daughter of the brother-in-law of the guy plays futbol with the accountant of the man who sells chiclets to the bathroom attendant at Help) tells me that Help's going to be off the hook that night.
What a relief to know that Help is not closing after all. If ET's willing to stake his sterling reputation on this, it should be good enough for all of us. End of story. It's like the CIA issuing a pronouncement on, let's say, secret weapons in Iraq. Who'd dare question the CIA's infallibility on such matters?
Why pick on ET? He was just telling you what he heard and who he heard it from. I belive that the guy in the mens room told him this.
Only time will actually tell if and when Help closes. Some of the girls were not aware, I showed them the O Global article and they were not happy (not to worry, a printed hardcopy, no looking on the internet). I did this because on the phone with her she did not belive me. She was upset and did not know what she would do (she is in inside help only GDP).
Check out www.riorentals4less.com and ask to stay in the the South Beach apartment it's very nice and clean. Maid service everyday, full kitchen, safe box, very very clean and good security and nice location just 3 blocks from MP and half block from mondego restaurant.Good recommendation Chi Town Hustler! That is the exact same route I take when I head to Rio! Hey we might have even met before & not even know it! Every since I started going to apartments from the Hotels that is the only place I stay!!! I Swear by South Beach!
My source (her cousin goes to school with the daughter of the brother-in-law of the guy plays futbol with the accountant of the man who sells chiclets to the bathroom attendant at Help) tells me that Help's going to be off the hook that night.
This from a guy whose great work in progress was given its name by the man whose claim to fame is introducing North America to the "taint." I hear and read "mongering from a monger's perspective" every single day, and honestly, I can think of few things I am less excited to read. Kudos for having made your rather questionable mark upon the world.
Generally, when people are slinging shit your way, it looks more respectable if you take the high road.
This from a guy whose great work in progress was given its name by the man whose claim to fame is introducing North America to the "taint."
My regard for Larry Flynt grew tremendously when he started paying me to write about my romps with exotic prostitutes. (I guess I'm quite the wh*re myself. I tend to like people who pay me to do things I enjoy.)
A book on "mongering from a monger's perspective" might not change the world. But there'll be enough of a publicity push behind it to generate plenty of buzz. In terms of ultimate cultural impact, think more about Hef than Flynt: He made looking at nude pictures of gorgeous women a national pasttime -- something to celebrate rather than shamefully hide in the shadows.
Mongering is the next phase of the sexual revolution that's due to come out of the shadows. The time is right for someone to get out there and say, "It's perfectly normal. I enjoy going to places where prostitution is legal and having consensual sex with gorgeous women who are old enough to make that choice." Hef took away the taboo of looking at naked pictures of fantasy objects (who of course are paid for their work). The next step is shattering the taboo that surrounds going beyond fantasy and actually having sex with this caliber of women, many of whom also get compensated for their services. Please, have some sympathy for me in this forum; I'm going to get it bad enough from the feminists when the publisher's PR department starts putting me out there.
Generally, when people are slinging shit your way, it looks more respectable if you take the high road.
Jesuscola, I respect a lot of your posts. They're well-written and informative. But you know that ET has been slinging shit at me (and others) without provocation for a long time. However, my comment about his "inside knowledge" of Help was facetious. We can't take everything so seriously all the time. In any event, there's no bigger champion of Help than I am. Nothing would give me greater pleasure than if ET turns out to be right and I end up eating my words.
As most of you will know, finding hottie in Centro at weekends can be something of a damp squib. Most places are closed. Get the phone out or get out and look? I opted for the latter.
The ´rooms´ are just average cubicles, curtained off. Toothpaste girl uses her shoes to fix the bottom of the curtain to the floor to make it more like a door. The jukebox starts again but we can talk over it now. Toothpaste girl is fairly passive but ok. I don’t totally trust this crowd – maybe just my imagination – but I’m not keen to stay too long. As I start to leave people start hassling me for money. I wave them aside and split, thanking the casa mama at the entrance profusely.
Round the corner on Vargas, I’m sipping one of the worst acai’s I’ve had for days. Five minutes later the casa mama comes up, very polite. Says I never paid for the drinks. I assure her I did. She assures me I didn’t. I’m thinking it’s only 6R, what the heck; but then I remember it was a tab-at-the-door joint. Sh*t. I feel in my pocket – there it is – my unpaid tab. I apologize profusely – sinto muito – they weren’t hassling me after all.
Wander back to Tiradentes through Uruguiana market. People are queuing up for the best of the sizzling steaks. The air is filled with smoke and festa and tea shirts you would only wear once. Saturday’s not so bad a day after all . . .
I feel like I'm addicted to Centro since my last trip. It is a blast. Taking in all your experiences, and that of others, and trying to retrace your footsteps is great. It really is a rush the first time you hit the little quickie places in Centro. Not knowing what to expect, or how to approach the situation is a huge rush for me. After the first trip, all I can think about is how to improve the next trip. Keep up the good work, and happy hunting................
ryjer
Well, all of the talk here lately regarding Help has been quite depressing, although there are numerous venues in Rio to locate and score Prime GDP's. To keep my mind off Rio for the next several months, I'm taking a business trip to South Africa and Europe (Belgium, Holland, and Hungary). Will have time to monger in Belgium and South Africa but would prefer Hungary. Although NOTHING compares to Brazil, I guess this will have to do especially since I'm on expense book.
Lonzof
Mr Enternational
02-10-08, 01:40
Damn all the bullshit and he-say, she-say. Can Off Road or someone else who is in Rio please go ask the money taker at the window so we can put this to rest?
Canuck9970
02-10-08, 02:30
My regard for Larry Flynt grew tremendously when he started paying me to write about my romps with exotic prostitutes. (I guess I'm quite the wh*re myself. I tend to like people who pay me to do things I enjoy.)Most of us are “*****s”. We receive compensation from an employer so that we can pay for the life that we want to live. Please don’t try to elevate your stature.
Mongering is the next phase of the sexual revolution that's due to come out of the shadows. The time is right for someone to get out there and say, "It's perfectly normal. I enjoy going to places where prostitution is legal and having consensual sex with gorgeous women who are old enough to make that choice." Hef took away the taboo of looking at naked pictures of fantasy objects (who of course are paid for their work). The next step is shattering the taboo that surrounds going beyond fantasy and actually having sex with this caliber of women, many of whom also get compensated for their services. Please, have some sympathy for me in this forum; I'm going to get it bad enough from the feminists when the publisher's PR department starts putting me out there.This is where you differentiate yourself from the rest of us. All of the information you are receiving from this board and the experiences you are having as a result is going towards material you intend to put into a book. (perhaps the term “*****” is appropriate once again in this case….but directed towards you)
Many of the people on this board are married or in a relationship and simply want to monger to satiate an appetite that we have. We do not want to “shatter any taboos” and the more that is publicized about the mongering scene the more risk many of us face. As far as having sympathy for you when the feminists attack….are you serious? We prefer things to stay “in the shadows” and your article will create publicity that most of us do not want….or need.
Frankly I feel that your presence on the site is a betrayal of trust and am a little disappointed that you do not see that you have broken faith with the “man’s code”. ET had it right from your first post….and it is a pity that more of us did not see you for what you truly are.
JohnnyBraz
02-10-08, 09:26
Damn all the bullshit and he-say, she-say. Can Off Road or someone else who is in Rio please go ask the money taker at the window so we can put this to rest?Everyone,
I'll be in Rio in less than a week. On Sunday the 17th I'll be going to help. When I am there I will find out the truth about help closing. There are ways to go about things. In order to get the right answers.
A book on "mongering from a monger's perspective" might not change the world. But there'll be enough of a publicity push behind it to generate plenty of buzz. In terms of ultimate cultural impact, think more about Hef than Flynt: He made looking at nude pictures of gorgeous women a national pasttime -- something to celebrate rather than shamefully hide in the shadows.
Mongering is the next phase of the sexual revolution that's due to come out of the shadows. The time is right for someone to get out there and say, "It's perfectly normal. I enjoy going to places where prostitution is legal and having consensual sex with gorgeous women who are old enough to make that choice." Hef took away the taboo of looking at naked pictures of fantasy objects (who of course are paid for their work). The next step is shattering the taboo that surrounds going beyond fantasy and actually having sex with this caliber of women, many of whom also get compensated for their services. Please, have some sympathy for me in this forum; I'm going to get it bad enough from the feminists when the publisher's PR department starts putting me out there.
Jesuscola, I respect a lot of your posts. They're well-written and informative. But you know that ET has been slinging shit at me (and others) without provocation for a long time. However, my comment about his "inside knowledge" of Help was facetious. We can't take everything so seriously all the time. In any event, there's no bigger champion of Help than I am. Nothing would give me greater pleasure than if ET turns out to be right and I end up eating my words.
Fair enough, and I respect your reply.
I do, however, honestly think that it's a bit idealistic to think that anything will change for the better once your book is published. I think the vast majority of women will find the book, and it's premise, intrinsically unattractive, and so the percentage of men who DO buy it will do so from online stores like Amazon in order to preserve their anonymity. (Whatever effect Hef had on sexual mores in American culture, he still couldn't prevent certain friends of mine from being embarassed to buy Playboy.)
Further, I think the US media still finds far too much money to be made in scandalizing sex--exploiting our natural instincts while making us feel guilty about it--for open attitudes about sex, much less paying for sex, to gain a substantial cultural foothold. Oh, they'll SELL sex--or more acurately, empty invitations and prick-teases--but they're sure to frame it with lots of superior finger wagging and tut-tutting. After all, if you felt free to GET plenty of sex, there wouldn't be much business for them in selling you the idea of it, would there? So, IMHO, the book is more likely to get scapegoated.
America, in Jungian terms, is still very firmly divided from its "Shadow" side. Americans thrill at condemning the transgressions of others, even if they secretly envy those freedoms. So with regard to the scenario you raise, the question would be, "Can a book that celebrates prostitution change all of this?" And even if written with remarkable skill, compassion, and wit, I would have to think that, no, it won't.
Which is not to condemn your endeavor. I sincerely wish you the best of luck.
"Jewel Woods," IMHO, is a slimy toad of a man who seeks to make money, and a name for himself, by exploiting his fellow man and cloaking it all in false intellectualism and disguising it as a Black American cultural study. (It even includes a section on how to tell if your man is thinking about banging Brazilian prostitutes and stop it before it happens.)
A book called "Around the World in 80 Lays," certainly holds no such intellectual pretenses ;o) (I can be a bit facetious myself.)
Best,
JC
Dizzy Infinity
02-10-08, 15:01
To dizzy infinity,
Try to remember to un-click the 'remember me on this computer' box. Aparently I happend use this computer at the internet cafe after you and seem to have oppened straight into your account. Just letting you (and everyone) know to take care. Perhaps this is something Jackson may want to change the Biasing on, so one has to click it to go 'on' instead of 'off'. Dacian.
P/s I'm in Rio for a few more days in case you intereted in catching up. Drop me a line.
Just to add to the mix, Last night I heard from the owner of an extreamly well know bar in Atlantica Avenue that yes Helpe' is suppose to be closing down in about 6 or 10 weeks, to become a light and sound museum or some bullshit. But he said its its just a token gesture from the mayor in order to get some payola from the owners to keep it open.
Who really knows, those that are in the know wouldn't arnt going to spill the beans anyway and the rest of us are all speculating.
But really, who care, if it shuts something will fill its void.
It's a multy million dollar establishment and so long as there are horny guys with money, sexy girls who want our money and middle men to take a cut the show will go on.
Dacian
Thanks to all of you that helped with my hotel/apartment search. After going back and forth i took a couple of your advice and went with Riorentals4less.com. John seems like a good guy and was able to find me what looks like a real nice apartment. I'll give my recomendation on them when I get back. If any of you mongers are gonna be in town this week or next, PM me and maybe we can meet up for drinks. It's my 2nd trip to Rio and this time I'm bringing a Rio virgin along. Should be a good time. Hopefully Help won't be closing this week...
BurnMax2007
02-10-08, 23:56
After leaving L'Uomo Shayla worked for several month at Help! before moving on to MC and eventually to Cenaurus. Next stop?Is this girl the same one that is in the photos in this post:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=333423&postcount=18
and the blonde in the luomo video on www.totallyrio.com ?
Did she used to have a tooth pierced?
I think that girl in the photos and video is the same girl I had a couple of years ago at Luomo, but I can't remember for sure. She was gfe, nice cim, very hard body. I'll be in Rio next week and would like to see her again.
Is she still working at Centaurus?
Thanks.
this is very interesting to read the Rio JOE's perspective. being to RIO and after enjoying the women and culture ,you really need to write that book.
please remember that this forum is not only read by Americans but far ggreat number of mongers of other countries as well.
i have met mongers from all over the world mostly europeans than americans while in RIO. i my self from other side of the world.
my original country still sexually very repressive and victorian! sex is considered as a shame and sin with poorly developed sex industry. why do i say its a industry, simply its one of the oldest and celebrated professions on earth.please refer to ancient hindu and buddist writings.
the fact is church and for some degree victorian thinking which persists in some parts of the world has led to sexual repression, america being colonised and influenced by british, this still persists. the other fact is emergence of so called feminist movement.
having said that i personally believe that you need to write that book and tell the world our side of the story as well, wether it will receive lukewarm reception or rave reviews is a another matter. sorry to post this on this thread any way.
Damn all the bullshit and he-say, she-say. Can Off Road or someone else who is in Rio please go ask the money taker at the window so we can put this to rest?
I was personally there a few days ago and ask 3 workers at HELP and they said it is not closing at all, However I have heard other sources that do not work there, say they are closing in a few days and also others say by the end of the month.
So I am confuse as you.
I am not sure what will happen.
Maybe the HELP workers are saying that so they can secure their job or something, not sure?
Anybody ask their gdp's what they are going to do when Help closes?Yeah I was down there and it seems like there are less girls working than last year, Meia Petaca was a bit dead, a few GDP's said the girls would just go to Meia petaca if HELP closes or work the streets.
Also they are really trying to crack down on prostitutes, none of the girls were topless for carnival, like they were previous years. At least we still have the termas to go to. I also heard from HELP workers that they will remain open this year and the year after but from other sources and GDP's that they are closing. So it remains to be seen what happens.
Also for the guy writing the book on GDP's. I think you have a good idea, but will bring a lot of unwanted attention. And spoil things for mongers and future mongers.
There have been songs written recently about us mongers and GDP's lately of prostitution in their funk music (mileke piriahna Prostituto) (Adulterio), and its already bringing attention to this sex tourism in Brasil saying something needs to be done.
Everyone,
I'll be in Rio in less than a week. On Sunday the 17th I'll be going to help. When I am there I will find out the truth about help closing. There are ways to go about things. In order to get the right answers.
How will you go about this? asking the workers, waiters, GDPs, other owners has given mixed answers. I would be interested in how to go about things to get the right answers.
Also for the guy writing the book on GDP's. I think you have a good idea, but will bring a lot of unwanted attention. And spoil things for mongers and future mongers.
You definitely have a point, but regardless of what I do, that other book by Jewel Woods slamming mongers is due out in April. Given his sensationalistic angle (black men cheating) and his "credentials" (college professor), he's got a good shot at stirring up media interest. At the very least, my book will give a counterpoint. Woods is helping to create/perpetuate a racist stereotype that mongering is mainly something that "bad" (i.e., cheating) black men do. Having me out there -- a single guy whose skin is so white that I've been called "Casper" by a number of garotas -- will make it clear that mongering is not so easily pigeonholed.
I'm not going to BS and say that my goal is to save the sex trade. The world's oldest profession hardly needs me to be its savior. Mainly I want to write about something I know and love, and hopefull make enough money at it so that I can continue to pursue encounters with gorgeous women in exotic locales. But there is a bigger issue here. Society is in the midst of a struggle between the "morality police" and freedom. Everytime a monger goes with a garota, we're striking a blow for freedom.
In an ideal world, everyone would get all the consensual sex they want with who they want whenever they want. Rio is a microcosm of this kind of sexual utopia. I don't pretend to understand the workings of fate, but it seems my destiny is now tied up with moving the world closer to this ideal. I'm a long way off from my earlier career as a law-and-order advocate against violent crime. But it is what it is.
JohnnyBraz
02-11-08, 11:18
How will you go about this? asking the workers, waiters, GDPs, other owners has given mixed answers. I would be interested in how to go about things to get the right answers.It is very simple, would try and speak to the managment (or someone incharge), and enquire about booking certain groups off tables with waiter service for a group off more than 30. For 2 different dates one being in a months time the other being 3 months time. If it is possible (and everything is for the right amount off money), if it is possible that would quash all the rumors, if I get a stalled answer, or a one wherer you will have to turn up on the night. I would then say well if I was to put x amount off money down. Is it possible. But anyway I think that by then, I would know what is going on. As I say the management and nothing else. Who knows what they will say but it is the only way to get direct to the point.
JohnnyBraz
02-11-08, 11:21
You definitely have a point, but regardless of what I do, that other book by Jewel Woods slamming mongers is due out in April. Given his sensationalistic angle (black men cheating) and his "credentials" (college professor), he's got a good shot at stirring up media interest. At the very least, my book will give a counterpoint. Woods is helping to create/perpetuate a racist stereotype that mongering is mainly something that "bad" (i.e., cheating) black men do. Having me out there -- a single guy whose skin is so white that I've been called "Casper" by a number of garotas -- will make it clear that mongering is not so easily pigeonholed.
I'm not going to BS and say that my goal is to save the sex trade. The world's oldest profession hardly needs me to be its savior. Mainly I want to write about something I know and love, and hopefull make enough money at it so that I can continue to pursue encounters with gorgeous women in exotic locales. But there is a bigger issue here. Society is in the midst of a struggle between the "morality police" and freedom. Everytime a monger goes with a garota, we're striking a blow for freedom.
In an ideal world, everyone would get all the consensual sex they want with who they want whenever they want. Rio is a microcosm of this kind of sexual utopia. I don't pretend to understand the workings of fate, but it seems my destiny is now tied up with moving the world closer to this ideal. I'm a long way off from my earlier career as a law-and-order advocate against violent crime. But it is what it is.I persaonally think that jewel woods book will put a negative affect on mongering, so your book can only do good to mongering, atleast balancing the scales.
JohnnyBraz
02-11-08, 11:24
How will you go about this? asking the workers, waiters, GDPs, other owners has given mixed answers. I would be interested in how to go about things to get the right answers.Btw off road, I am actually catching up with a large group off mates from overseas in June, and would be interested in booking a decent section off help tables to cater for 30 people, plus atleast 50 gdp's. Hopefully it will still be open.
Academic arguing against the moralistic viewpoint against prostitution:
Sex at the Margins: Migration, Labour Markets and the Rescue Industry
by Laura Maria Agustin
Book Description
This groundbreaking book explodes several myths: that selling sex is completely different from any other kind of work; that migrants who sell sex are passive victims; and that the multitude of people out to save them are without self-interest. Laura Agustín makes a passionate case against these stereotypes, arguing that the label "trafficked" does not accurately describe migrants' lives and that the "rescue industry" disempowers them. Based on extensive research among migrants who sell sex and social helpers, Sex at the Margins provides a radically different analysis. Frequently, says Agustín, migrants make rational choices to travel and work in the sex industry. Although they are treated like a marginalized group they form part of the dynamic global economy. Both powerful and controversial, this book is essential reading for all those who want to understand the increasingly important relationship between sex markets, migration and the desire for social justice.
Academic arguing against the moralistic viewpoint against prostitution:
Sex at the Margins: Migration, Labour Markets and the Rescue Industry
by Laura Maria Agustin
Book Description
This groundbreaking book explodes several myths: that selling sex is completely different from any other kind of work; that migrants who sell sex are passive victims; and that the multitude of people out to save them are without self-interest. Laura Agustín makes a passionate case against these stereotypes, arguing that the label "trafficked" does not accurately describe migrants' lives and that the "rescue industry" disempowers them. Based on extensive research among migrants who sell sex and social helpers, Sex at the Margins provides a radically different analysis. Frequently, says Agustín, migrants make rational choices to travel and work in the sex industry. Although they are treated like a marginalized group they form part of the dynamic global economy. Both powerful and controversial, this book is essential reading for all those who want to understand the increasingly important relationship between sex markets, migration and the desire for social justice.
It's a good thing I took this class pass/fail.............I think I passed!
ryjer
a few GDP's said the girls would just go to Meia petaca if HELP closes or work the streets.
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Yes I think you're right. If Help closes and there is no club to immediately take it's place then these 1,000 girls who work Help during the summer as some articles have said are the numbers, these girls will not become bookkeepers the next day I can assure you. They will go to places like Balcony and even Mabs might pick up as well as the Boates near Princess Isabella Blvd like Franks or Barbarellas.
These places will not be big enough to employ the 1,000 girls who work Help and Terraca Atlantica, so they will spill over on to the rest of Ave. Atlantica like the streets and all the other Cafe's along the avenue. For example places like La Maison, Mondengo, Pigalle, and so on, all the legitimate restaurants.
I read one poster on another site in response to Help closing, he was European and he said that the Europeans have there prostitution in their major cities contained to certain areas and that is what Help was like, the problem was in one spot. But if you remove Help then the problem doesn't go away, it will just spill out in to the surrounding area just like it was before Help was there.
Not too sure that Help gets an average of 1000 girls a night. Probably more like 2-300 girls a night.
You can bet that if Help closes and the new club hasnt opened, you will see ALOT of cat fights in Copa! The girls who work Balconey/Mabs etc.. will not appreciate the new girls invading "thier territory".
I remember when Meia Pataca was closed for renovation for many months, not so long time ago. Everybody expected that girls and clients go to either Help Terasse or to Balcony. None of this happened, sometimes girls went to Terasse to see if there are any clients, there were none, and sometimes clients (us) went there to see if there were any girls, there were none. For all this time that MP was closed there was no good places for girls and mongerers to meet at afternoon/ early evening time. So girls stayed at home and mongerers (us) were just suffering and waiting for nightime and people gathering in front of Help.
If Help closes this is totally different magnitude of course, but something as bad can happen, that there won't be this kind of meeting place for a long time (or never ??).
Yes I think you're right. If Help closes and there is no club to immediately take it's place then these 1,000 girls who work Help during the summer as some articles have said are the numbers, these girls will not become bookkeepers the next day I can assure you. They will go to places like Balcony and even Mabs might pick up as well as the Boates near Princess Isabella Blvd like Franks or Barbarellas.
These places will not be big enough to employ the 1,000 girls who work Help and Terraca Atlantica, so they will spill over on to the rest of Ave. Atlantica like the streets and all the other Cafe's along the avenue. For example places like La Maison, Mondengo, Pigalle, and so on, all the legitimate restaurants.
I read one poster on another site in response to Help closing, he was European and he said that the Europeans have there prostitution in their major cities contained to certain areas and that is what Help was like, the problem was in one spot. But if you remove Help then the problem doesn't go away, it will just spill out in to the surrounding area just like it was before Help was there.
Academic arguing against the moralistic viewpoint against prostitution:
Sex at the Margins: Migration, Labour Markets and the Rescue Industry
by Laura Maria Agustin
Good book? Did you like it? Do you recommend it?
Exec Talent
02-12-08, 13:58
I never thought I would say this, but I think it is time to rethink Rio.
Lately, I have been hearing a lot of complaints about the quality of women from guys who are on their first trip to Rio. In the past I would have vehemently argued with them. But looking around, I can see their point.
The termases are filled with many 6-7s but very few 9-10s. Help has a few beauties, but not that many.
The argument I am hearing, particularly from Americans, is why travel so far and pay more (after airfare, food, hotel, etc.) than I would pay in my country to be with a woman at whom I would never look twice at home. It seems that many of the top women have seen the writing on the wall and are getting married or working in Europe. Over the last year, even many of the 6-7s have found their way there. The hottest Brazilian GDP I met in the last year I met in Switzerland, not Brazil.
I do not know that the answer is to reduce the cost by going to VM or Central Rio. However, I am working on a comprehensive post listing alternatives to the high-priced Copacabana termases. I think the issue really is quality. Outside of the normal girls, I am hard pressed to name girls in Rio right now I would consider 10s.
I have to ask the question of guys who travel a lot around Brazil. Is the talent this lame all over right now? Any suggestions?
But looking around, I can see their point
Last time I was in Help and its surroundings, of maybe 100 or 150 garotas I saw, there were at best perhaps 5 who would have looked at home in a Sao Paulo middle or upper-range club (I mean just fit in, not even stand out). The rest were pug ugly trashy faveladas.
Personally, let alone SP which is the bomb in term of quality and variety, I've found some of my best meninas (P4P, semi-pros, freebies) in Goiania.
End 86 I went to Brazil first time and I was blown away by the beauties in Rio.
Now its true the 9 and 10 have gone away laving us with few 6-7.
Mabs in them days was the place, now its dead with few 4-5.
I am afraid its not going to change for the better especially with the high cost of the real which is another problem.
I am returning to paradise for 5 days at the end of February. In the past I have stayed at the Hotel Rioss in Copa, and in an apartment nearby that I arranged once there (not very nice).
Does anyone know of short term rental apartments in Copa? Any help is appreciated (Speaking of which, if it is not too far from Help, that is even better - if Help is still open - I have heard from a garota that it is definitely closing at the end of this month).
End 86 I went to Brazil first time and I was blown away by the beauties in Rio.
The quality probably has declined over the years. But don't forget the power of that old saying, "Familiarity breeds contempt." Put into nicer terms, the more you see of something/someone, the less enticing they become. My first time in Rio, I was blown away by the garotas. The effect seemed to decrease every visit. (Never enough to make me want to stop going to Rio, though!)
On the other hand, beauty's in the eye of the beholder. Show me an absolute stunner with no spark, and she quickly drops to a 6 or 7 or less in my eyes. Show me a 6 or 7 who oozes charisma/sexuality, and she leaps to 9 or 10 territory. Who'd you rather go with, the former or the latter?
Tits N Toes
02-13-08, 00:26
Hey Fellas,
I've been reading ISG for about 10 months. The info helped me in Santiago,DR and Barranquilla with pros. I'm eyeballing Brazil but have my own Fantasy/Fetish. I want to knock off some of the "Porno Star" Brazilian girls but wonder how to find them. Babalu has her own advertised escort service, and I found a girl named Camila (on MIB at Least) and she is in a pic at the Help main website (2007 pics...pic #19895549330 or the 6th one in) I just happen to like some of the girls and I know there are probably hundreds of "TWINS" (girls that look close) but a couple just really turn me on and I want them specifically. From MIB and from BrazilBang I see some of the same faces and would love to spend time with some of these chicas. ANY wisdom would be respected AND appreciated. CHEERS
The quality probably has declined over the years. But don't forget the power of that old saying, "Familiarity breeds contempt." Put into nicer terms, the more you see of something/someone, the less enticing they become. My first time in Rio, I was blown away by the garotas. The effect seemed to decrease every visit. (Never enough to make me want to stop going to Rio, though!)
On the other hand, beauty's in the eye of the beholder. Show me an absolute stunner with no spark, and she quickly drops to a 6 or 7 or less in my eyes. Show me a 6 or 7 who oozes charisma/sexuality, and she leaps to 9 or 10 territory. Who'd you rather go with, the former or the latter?
Both you and Exec Talent have valid points. While the old saying, "Familiarity breeds....", does have its basis in fact (hence the word "jaded"), I too have noticed a decline in quality at Help even though I have only been going to RIO for about 4 years. Of course the first time I went I was a kid in a candy shop, even the second time the quality was still there. However, with each successive trip there was a slight decline in quality and also the aggressiveness of the garotas (less ass-grabbing, touching, etc.) Here is a coincidence; as the dollar declined, so did the quality. My first trip was 3R to1US. As the ratio went down so did the quality (but not in SP). The statement by Exec Talent seems to support this: the dollar went down the Euro went up, the garotas went to Europe! (food for thought?)
PS. I'll be there (Rio) in March! :)
I hope Help closes. We need a new club. If they close, another club will take it's place, you can bet your ass on that.Too much money in it. Hopefully, they can improve the quality of the place, and put it in a better area. Time will tell.
I hope Help closes. We need a new club. If they close, another club will take it's place, you can bet your ass on that.Too much money in it. Hopefully, they can improve the quality of the place, and put it in a better area. Time will tell.
Why do you think that another area will be better?
I'm eyeballing Brazil but have my own Fantasy/Fetish. I want to knock off some of the "Porno Star" Brazilian girls but wonder how to find them.
Other guys here can probably offer quicker ways, but here's an idea to at least get you started. Google the girls' films. Find out the studio/producer. Email them (including MIB and BrazilBang) and ask if they know how to get in touch with the actress. No need to say in your initial email why you want to find them. If the studio/producer asks, say that you're going to Brazil and you're wondering if the girl "does privates." They'll understand.
I want to knock off some of the "Porno Star" Brazilian girls but wonder how to find them.
Just go to the termas, man. So many of those girls have done films it's ridiculous. You don't even have to ask. Walk in a high end terma, throw a rock, and you'll hit one. 2 recent MIB girls are working in L'uomo currently. There're a slew of girls who've done films in 4x4. In fact, 4x4 is probably the best place to find girls who've done porn. I'm not going to say who works where, or give any names or anything, so don't ask. Usually a girl doesn't want everyone knowing she's done films, so I keep it to myself.
Some guys have that fetish, though, and I can't really relate to it myself. I've probably had sex with at least a dozen or so girls who've done films, and I never found out about it until afterward. There might be another dozen I had that I don't know about. If you do 10 girls between 4x4 and L'uomo, you'll probably have hit at least 1 porno "star." But here, it's nothing. The girls get paid very little and aren't recognized, and don't want to be recognized, so the term "star" is something of an exaggeration.
Just last week I went to 4x4 with a guy who was looking for a porn star. He said, "That girl's hot. Ask her if she's done films."
I asked her, "Have you ever done a porno film?"
She answered, "No, but if it will only be distributed outside of Brazil, I'll do one."
That's about the size of the difference between fucking a girl who's a "porno star," and fucking a girl who's NOT a "porno star." Not really a big deal, not hard to find...
Exec Talent
02-13-08, 14:14
It is interesting to note that the Mike in Brazil site is blocked if the browser's IP address is from Brazil. Of course there are easy ways around this ... it is not blocked from China for instance!
It is interesting to note that the Mike in Brazil site is blocked if the browser's IP address is from Brazil. Of course there are easy ways around this ... it is not blocked from China for instance!
Yeah, and if you go to the Reality Kings site, then access Mike in Brazil from there, you're not blocked. It's pretty shoddy "security," really.
I am returning to paradise for 5 days at the end of February. In the past I have stayed at the Hotel Rioss in Copa, and in an apartment nearby that I arranged once there (not very nice).
Does anyone know of short term rental apartments in Copa? Any help is appreciated (Speaking of which, if it is not too far from Help, that is even better - if Help is still open - I have heard from a garota that it is definitely closing at the end of this month).
There are hundreds if not thousands of short term rental apartments. Google. Or look at the apartment and hotel thread.
I never thought I would say this, but I think it is time to rethink Rio.
Lately, I have been hearing a lot of complaints about the quality of women from guys who are on their first trip to Rio. In the past I would have vehemently argued with them. But looking around, I can see their point.
The termases are filled with many 6-7s but very few 9-10s. Help has a few beauties, but not that many.
The argument I am hearing, particularly from Americans, is why travel so far and pay more (after airfare, food, hotel, etc.) than I would pay in my country to be with a woman at whom I would never look twice at home. It seems that many of the top women have seen the writing on the wall and are getting married or working in Europe. Over the last year, even many of the 6-7s have found their way there. The hottest Brazilian GDP I met in the last year I met in Switzerland, not Brazil.
I do not know that the answer is to reduce the cost by going to VM or Central Rio. However, I am working on a comprehensive post listing alternatives to the high-priced Copacabana termases. I think the issue really is quality. Outside of the normal girls, I am hard pressed to name girls in Rio right now I would consider 10s.
I have to ask the question of guys who travel a lot around Brazil. Is the talent this lame all over right now? Any suggestions?
First:
Brazil is more of a season place you can go one time and not see that many quality garotas but then you land here at another time of the year and be really surprised by the good quality and the amount per m2 of garotas.
Rio is the same, also that is something that we need to understand garotas that leave to europe even if they stay for a long time they will eventually come back and in big numbers.
Also we need to realize that rio de janeiro has an insane amount of termas not only the major ones (4x4, monte carlo, solarium,centaurus,etc..) there are more actually a new one opened recently sagitarius in rua quitanda 74.
All the garotas keep going from one to the other the competition between termas is fierce.
2. I've said this before brazil is a huuuuuuuuugggggggeeeeeeeeee country these girls go to europe because that are going to make euros but bot because they don't have places to go in their own country, prostitution in brazil is kind of a way of life. If you go to any state the main city has a p4p scene but also all the other cities it is insane and in some cases like in the states of santa cataria and bahia the action in the smaller cities is even better that in the main cities.
So if you are not sure about rio you have plenty of more options within brazil my friend.
Brugal
Hi guys. Reading the most recent posts about Help and the quality of the garotas going down, I'm starting to get second thoughts about my first ever Rio trip.
I used some ff miles to go around Memorial Day weekend. Regarding Brugal's comment about Rio being "seasonal" do the veterans here think that's an ok time to go? I chose that time because usually I like to combine my limited vacation days with a U.S. holiday, plus the dates I chose cost me only 50K miles, a bargain.
A little background, I've done most of my mongering in Colombia and speak fluent Spanish. I don't think I'll have much time to pick up anything beyond the most basic Portuguese between now and my trip so taking that into account, do the vets think I should redeposit my miles??
Hi guys. Reading the most recent posts about Help and the quality of the garotas going down, I'm starting to get second thoughts about my first ever Rio trip.
I used some ff miles to go around Memorial Day weekend. Regarding Brugal's comment about Rio being "seasonal" do the veterans here think that's an ok time to go? I chose that time because usually I like to combine my limited vacation days with a U.S. holiday, plus the dates I chose cost me only 50K miles, a bargain.
A little background, I've done most of my mongering in Colombia and speak fluent Spanish. I don't think I'll have much time to pick up anything beyond the most basic Portuguese between now and my trip so taking that into account, do the vets think I should redeposit my miles??Remember you are reading a bunch of OPINIONS. Even if Help closes, there are dozens of other options. Do not re-deposit your miles, you will have a great time, see stunning women and have fun. I think some of who stay here all the time get spoiled. We see great bodies, almost naked, every day on the beach. I catch myself thinking, that this gal or that is not so great. I then think back to the states, any one of these gals would stop traffic there. Sure there are some not so great lookers, but you have to come and judge for yourself.
Everyone has different tastes. Come, have fun, hit the termas, hit the street scene, hit a disco and the beach. you will find that Rio is a different place.
Memorial day should be just fine. The weather here is good all year in general, there are cold rainy spells (Carnival was almost all rain here), and there are hot spells in the winter. That said, there are NO HEATERS in any apartment I have ever seen or rented. No need.
Hi guys. Reading the most recent posts about Help and the quality of the garotas going down, I'm starting to get second thoughts about my first ever Rio trip.
I used some ff miles to go around Memorial Day weekend. Regarding Brugal's comment about Rio being "seasonal" do the veterans here think that's an ok time to go? I chose that time because usually I like to combine my limited vacation days with a U.S. holiday, plus the dates I chose cost me only 50K miles, a bargain.
A little background, I've done most of my mongering in Colombia and speak fluent Spanish. I don't think I'll have much time to pick up anything beyond the most basic Portuguese between now and my trip so taking that into account, do the vets think I should redeposit my miles??
If you've never seen Rio before, you HAVE to see it. Everything is relative, and if you see the best of it, it will blow your mind. It's an experience that should not be missed. My only caveat is to book your hotel or apartment early, as lots of guys like to combine their vacations with US holidays and Rio is always busier at those times--Thanksgiving being probably the busiest. That does not mean that there will not be plenty of talent to go around. Your first trip will probably be more fun if there are other, more experienced guys around for you to meet. By all means, come.
El Austriaco
02-13-08, 20:06
Hi guys. Reading the most recent posts about Help and the quality of the garotas going down, I'm starting to get second thoughts about my first ever Rio trip.
Please keep in mind that the recent posts about the "quality going down" are very subjective. Personally, I agree with the "familiarity breeds contempt" theory... that we all tend to romanticize and think that everything was better in the good old days. The funny thing is, if you go back to the Archives, you will find that people were saying exactly the same thing 5 years ago... and 10 years ago... and 15 years ago. That the girls were prettier, more GFE, less hardcore, that the city was safer, blablabla. So I wouldn't panick based on recent reports alone. Perception sure changes much faster than P4P, the oldest trade in the world.
In addition, even if it could be established with some degree of objectivity that the quality has gone downhill, would it matter for your first trip? No, it wouldn't. You can't turn back the wheel of time, so let bygones be bygones. The question you should ask yourself... is it still worth it to go to Rio? And in response to that, I think the clear response would be yes, yes, yes.
To enjoy the pros, you won't need much Portuguese as many do speak English, and speaking fluent Spanish sure should help you out a bit. And as someone who has mongered in Colombia, too, I think you will enjoy many of the same things in Rio (variety of looks, GFE, party atmosphere), just on a much larger scale, with thousands of girls instead of hundreds and a full range of mongering options, from dirt cheap to sky-high. Pricewise, Rio has gotten more expensive because of the falling dollar (but then again, the dollar hasn't fared so well against the Colombian peso, either). And if you have Colombian mongering experience under your belt, safety shouldn't be too much of a concern in Rio for you (by applying the same safety precautions as in Colombia).
EA
I used to think quality was going down. But then I realized I was comparing every trip to my first, which was a mistake. The first trip was like magic and you can never get that feeling again. But if I look at it objectively, the quality is still here. If not tonight, then tomorrow. Last night I was at 4x4 and the quality was as high as I've ever seen it. Sometimes I'm in that Terma and I struggle to find a girl that meets what I'm looking for. But last night my head was spinning from all the potential choices. In an hour I'll be in L'oumo and I'm sure I'll find one that floats my boat. I just did 5 week in Europe (Hungary, Kiev, Russia, et al), and last week I was in Buenos Aires. And in the end all roads lead to Rio for this kind of fun.
First:
Brazil is more of a season place you can go one time and not see that many quality garotas but then you land here at another time of the year and be really surprised by the good quality and the amount per m2 of garotas.
Yes this is true. I was just there this past mid January, my last day was less than a week before Carnaval. I met both pros and non pros, some non pros I met were teachers and they told me they were on holiday/vacation which seemed like weeks to me and that it ends right after Carnaval.
I also met a group of 4 pros from Braslia who told me the same thing. That back home they are not putas they work in comercial, whatever. But that they were here in Rio because they were on holiday/vacation and it ends after Carnaval. Now I suspect there were others in Help or TA that were there for the same reason, I never would have met these lovelies from Brasilia if they wern't on holiday so for them it was seasonal. I took 2 of them home one night and they wanted me to take 3 of them. I declined the 3 as I can assure you 2 is enough.
But I have a question: Since Carnaval dates move from year to year and it seemed that everybody's holiday ended on Carnaval then does this common holiday that Brazil has lets say for schools or some business, does it move too? Because I would think this is a good time to go to Rio. Not that there is a bad time but I found this time this year to have a good variety of girls from other places in Brazil in Rio.
we all tend to romanticize and think that everything was better in the good old days. EA
So true, so true! What's that Billy Joel song? "They say that these are not the best of times, But they're the only times I've ever known."
All it takes is one kiss (word, touch, stroke, f*ck, or whatever floats your boat) from ONE right garota, and nothing else will matter. Even if you have to spend a little longer looking for her these days in Rio, it's well worth it. (Same, of course, is true, for going to a regular club looking for non-pros: the place might suck some of the time, but when you connect with the right girl all those other less-than-perfect ocassions just seem to fade away.
Sempre avance! (Can someone who speaks Port tell me if that's the right way to say "Always Forward"?)
Please keep in mind that the recent posts about the "quality going down" are very subjective. Personally, I agree with the "familiarity breeds contempt" theory... that we all tend to romanticize and think that everything was better in the good old days. The funny thing is, if you go back to the Archives, you will find that people were saying exactly the same thing 5 years ago... and 10 years ago... and 15 years ago. That the girls were prettier, more GFE, less hardcore, that the city was safer, blablabla. So I wouldn't panick based on recent reports alone. Perception sure changes much faster than P4P, the oldest trade in the world.
In addition, even if it could be established with some degree of objectivity that the quality has gone downhill, would it matter for your first trip? No, it wouldn't. You can't turn back the wheel of time, so let bygones be bygones. The question you should ask yourself... is it still worth it to go to Rio? And in response to that, I think the clear response would be yes, yes, yes.
To enjoy the pros, you won't need much Portuguese as many do speak English, and speaking fluent Spanish sure should help you out a bit. And as someone who has mongered in Colombia, too, I think you will enjoy many of the same things in Rio (variety of looks, GFE, party atmosphere), just on a much larger scale, with thousands of girls instead of hundreds and a full range of mongering options, from dirt cheap to sky-high. Pricewise, Rio has gotten more expensive because of the falling dollar (but then again, the dollar hasn't fared so well against the Colombian peso, either). And if you have Colombian mongering experience under your belt, safety shouldn't be too much of a concern in Rio for you (by applying the same safety precautions as in Colombia).
EA
Well I actually think it went down for carnival, the girls were not even topless and there were a lot of guys in Help. There were still some hot girls.
The year before and before were better, the girls were topless and showed more skin. And more girls were there during carnival, for help and meia petaca
Maybe because it was raining. But now Help has a rule of no topless
Hi guys. Reading the most recent posts about Help and the quality of the garotas going down, I'm starting to get second thoughts about my first ever Rio trip.
I used some ff miles to go around Memorial Day weekend. Regarding Brugal's comment about Rio being "seasonal" do the veterans here think that's an ok time to go? I chose that time because usually I like to combine my limited vacation days with a U.S. holiday, plus the dates I chose cost me only 50K miles, a bargain.
A little background, I've done most of my mongering in Colombia and speak fluent Spanish. I don't think I'll have much time to pick up anything beyond the most basic Portuguese between now and my trip so taking that into account, do the vets think I should redeposit my miles??
Just Do It! :)
I once went with this GDP for a TLN once. She kept on needing going to the toilet during the action. And come back for with some kind of quick wash or some sort, not a shower ( although I remember her hair was wet maybe on a few occasions). I don't know what she does in there or why she needs to go so often. I remember during a few occasions she seemed to be feeling a bit of pain down there whilst I was fucking her and needed to go to the loo.
Has anyone had this experience before? What was it that she had?
But I have a question: Since Carnaval dates move from year to year and it seemed that everybody's holiday ended on Carnaval then does this common holiday that Brazil has lets say for schools or some business, does it move too? Because I would think this is a good time to go to Rio. Not that there is a bad time but I found this time this year to have a good variety of girls from other places in Brazil in Rio.
Schools start the week after Carnival and change year to year, at least the Universities do. They started the semester this week.
I once went with this GDP for a TLN once. She kept on needing going to the toilet during the action. And come back for with some kind of quick wash or some sort, not a shower ( although I remember her hair was wet maybe on a few occasions). I don't know what she does in there or why she needs to go so often. I remember during a few occasions she seemed to be feeling a bit of pain down there whilst I was fucking her and needed to go to the loo.
Has anyone had this experience before? What was it that she had?I dunno. Maybe a urinary infection. Or maybe just restless bladder. Or maybe you're just hung like a HORSE and she need to give it a rest!
So after a 22 hour ordeal on a flight that was suppose to take 14 hours, we finally arrived in paradise. Let me start by saying John from Riorentals4less.com is a great guy and found us a great apartment right next to the Marriott. The apartment is $160 US per night but is pretty modern on the inside with 3 bedrooms and 3 bathrooms. Our first night in Rio we went to check out Help. According to John, Help is going to be closing in the next 30 days for good. There is a place that they think that the Help action will move to but i forgot the name. The talent in Help was pretty decent last night, but not what i remember from my last trip two years ago. I'm not sure if I was just overwhelmed my first time or if the girls are not what they use to be. I'll give my opinion again after the weekend. We were out on hooker beach today in front of the Othon Palace and the talent was clearly lacking. Only 2 or 3 stunners. The rest average to bad. Got a little too drunk last night and took home a 6 on the Lance scale named Dyana. Lots of fun and stayed until noon today with 2 sessions this morning. Total damage was 250 reals. I probably overpaid but it was my first night in town. it was fun to bring my friend who is new to the whole mongering scene to Help for the first time. He looked stunned for about the first hour then was more in the denial mode. He couldn't believe the all these girls were GDP's. Tommorrow afternoon, we're going to pay a visit to 4X4. I'll give more updates throughout the week.
So just to refute some of the other posts, Help is still alive and very much kicking. There was some serious talent in there tonight. Last night I would put the average at a 6 tonight, we're up to at least a 7.5. I saw some absolute stunners in the building. The 9's got swept up pretty quick but I saw a lot of solid 7's and 8's still at 4 am. I actually went home alone tonight cause I got worked out like Secrateriat last night, and the little guy asked for the day off. Tomorrow we're visiting 4x4 to check out the scene. Since he's not home, I'm gonna assume I popped the cherry of my boy the Rio virgin. Left him at Help with a beautiful little spinner about 5'2. More tomorrow.
JohnnyBraz
02-15-08, 08:34
I once went with this GDP for a TLN once. She kept on needing going to the toilet during the action. And come back for with some kind of quick wash or some sort, not a shower ( although I remember her hair was wet maybe on a few occasions). I don't know what she does in there or why she needs to go so often. I remember during a few occasions she seemed to be feeling a bit of pain down there whilst I was fucking her and needed to go to the loo.
Has anyone had this experience before? What was it that she had?She probably went to do a line. If she was that type of GDP
Sempre avance! (Can someone who speaks Port tell me if that's the right way to say "Always Forward"?)
I've never heard anyone say that, but if they did, they wouldn't say it that way. "Sempre pra frente," would be closer, I think...
So, I went out to get some lunch at McDonalds this afternoon, and I was given a flyer for a low end therma at 583 N S Copacabana Suite 204. The room is pretty dingy and very dark. There were about 10 girls most of which I would have rated between 4's and 6's. I found one in the bunch named joyce that was quite a looker. I'd probably rate her an 8. I asked her why she was working in a place like this and she told me that her parents think she works in a law office so she can't come home evey night at 4 am. She said she works at Barbarella's once in a while and that for a time she worked at Centarus. Her performance was excellent but the room itself is pretty bad. Started with a BBBJ which seems like it is still the norm here. I'd rate her overall performance a 7. I'll probably make a return trip there next week before I leave. Total damage was 95 Reals for 30 minutes. One plus was that she spoke pretty good English. Thing I'm gonna get the little blue pill and check out 4X4 around 5.
Exec Talent
02-15-08, 19:29
So, I went out to get some lunch at McDonalds this afternoon, and I was given a flyer for a low end therma at 583 N S Copacabana Suite 204. The room is pretty dingy and very dark. There were about 10 girls most of which I would have rated between 4's and 6's. I found one in the bunch named joyce that was quite a looker. I'd probably rate her an 8. I asked her why she was working in a place like this and she told me that her parents think she works in a law office so she can't come home evey night at 4 am. She said she works at Barbarella's once in a while and that for a time she worked at Centarus. Her performance was excellent but the room itself is pretty bad. Started with a BBBJ which seems like it is still the norm here. I'd rate her overall performance a 7. I'll probably make a return trip there next week before I leave. Total damage was 95 Reals for 30 minutes. One plus was that she spoke pretty good English. Thing I'm gonna get the little blue pill and check out 4X4 around 5.
While you are in the area, check out #203. The facilities are not much better but the girls make it worth the trip.
I once went with this GDP for a TLN once. She kept on needing going to the toilet during the action. And come back for with some kind of quick wash or some sort, not a shower ( although I remember her hair was wet maybe on a few occasions). I don't know what she does in there or why she needs to go so often. I remember during a few occasions she seemed to be feeling a bit of pain down there whilst I was fucking her and needed to go to the loo.
Has anyone had this experience before? What was it that she had?
Might have been a TS that needed to put some lube in place between sessions. Or she might have been on the phone to her husband, kids, next client or anyone else that knows her.
Silvermesh
02-16-08, 14:36
Hi,
I have read the Buba report and while it is excellent it seems to be a full year old. So in preparation of my first trippe I wondering if I could ask for some update?
1. What is the average price currently?
2. How safe are the Termas?
3. Except this issue with Help Me is there any new changes worth knowing?
Globo is supposed to run an interview tomorrow with Help's owner. Hopefully, it will clear some things up.
So I've been a little under the weather the last two days but since I was feeling better tonight, I took a walk over to Luomo. We got back from dinner around ten and Luomo closes at 12 on weekends so I had to put a move on. my wingman on this trip has turned out to be a total waste. If I had to do it again, I'm coming alone like I did my first trip. So since time was of the essence I had to pick fairly quickly. Walked into the Boite and spotted a cute dark haired carioca named Beatriz. I would give her a solid 8 on my scale. Great body, great attitude. Performance was not as good as everything else. About a 6. In fairness it was a little late but I expected a little more. I'm a little confused about the price. I paid 60 reals entrance and then 60 for the cabina and 140 for the girl. Total is 260. Does this seem right?? If so, Rio is getting really expensive on our shitty dollar. Fortunately we went to The Horsetrack in Gavia last night and I won 1200 Reals which means after 3 days of being here banging 3 girls and eating and drinking, I'm even for the trip. That's my kind of vacation. By the way, the overall talent in Luomo looked pretty good. Lots of 7's and 8's. One knockout, but she was with a guy. I counted 17 girls and 8 guys in the Boite at 10:45. On a seperate subject, I don't know if Rio is getting safer or I am getting more brazen, but I walked from Luomo back to my apartment by the Marriott after midnight and felt totally safe. Maybe cause it's the weekend, but there were lots of people out on the streets. Tommorrow we're going to a soccer match at Maracana stadium them I'm gonna check out either Monte Carlo or Solarium. I refuse to go to Centaurus just on principal and from what I've read on this board.
Mr Enternational
02-17-08, 05:14
my wingman on this trip has turned out to be a total waste. If I had to do it again, I'm coming alone like I did my first trip.
I am anxious to hear more about this.
King Of Crunk
02-17-08, 05:18
So I've been a little under the weather the last two days but since I was feeling better tonight, I took a walk over to Luomo. We got back from dinner around ten and Luomo closes at 12 on weekends so I had to put a move on. My wingman on this trip has turned out to be a total waste. If I had to do it again, I'm coming alone like I did my first trip. So since time was of the essence I had to pick fairly quickly. Walked into the Boite and spotted a cute dark haired carioca named Beatriz. I would give her a solid 8 on my scale. Great body, great attitude. Performance was not as good as everything else. About a 6. In fairness it was a little late but I expected a little more. I'm a little confused about the price. I paid 60 reals entrance and then 60 for the cabina and 140 for the girl. Total is 260. Does this seem right? If so, Rio is getting really expensive on our shitty dollar. Fortunately we went to The Horsetrack in Gavia last night and I won 1200 Reals which means after 3 days of being here banging 3 girls and eating and drinking, I'm even for the trip. That's my kind of vacation. By the way, the overall talent in Luomo looked pretty good. Lots of 7's and 8's. One knockout, but she was with a guy. I counted 17 girls and 8 guys in the Boite at 10: 45. On a seperate subject, I don't know if Rio is getting safer or I am getting more brazen, but I walked from Luomo back to my apartment by the Marriott after midnight and felt totally safe. Maybe cause it's the weekend, but there were lots of people out on the streets. Tommorrow we're going to a soccer match at Maracana stadium them I'm gonna check out either Monte Carlo or Solarium. I refuse to go to Centaurus just on principal and from what I've read on this board. The pricing is correct, those are the same prices as last year when I went but I went early evening Saturday night talent was either not there or occupied. 2nd time I went to a terma and left but this was the 1st time at Luomo. Unfortunately 260 reais is about 148 dollars which is what you would pay for 30-45 minutes with a escort in the states. But if you got it go for it.
Please continue to give us a updated ground report. I rather do that then wait to get home and write my report but thats just me.
I am anxious to hear more about this.
Not that much to tell. We became friends when I lived out in Arizona. We planned this trip 6 months ago and I hadn't seen him since i moved back to NY. So I found out that he has a girlfriend now and his idea of fun in Brazil is only doing tourist shit. If I see him Emailing his gf on my laptop again, you might see it go flying out the window onto Avenida Atlantica. That's how you'll know where I'm staying. He went to Help twice and came home alone both nights. It's admirable that he is loyal to this girl but A. It's ruining my trip and B. It's ruining my trip. I ventured out to Luomo by myself tonight and I think thats how the rest of the trip is gonna be. Going to Brazil and not banging Carioca's is like going to Vegas and not gambling. Note to myself. Only bring friends to Brazil with no girlfriends or moral dilemas.
I paid 60 reals entrance and then 60 for the cabina and 140 for the girl. Total is 260. Does this seem right?? The price is right or very close.
I'm a little confused about the price. I paid 60 reals entrance and then 60 for the cabina and 140 for the girl. Total is 260. Does this seem right??It has been two months since I was there last so prices may have changed but since you pulled a girl the entrance should have only been 45. Maybe you had 15 worth of drinks to bring it back up.
Might have been a TS that needed to put some lube in place between sessions. Or she might have been on the phone to her husband, kids, next client or anyone else that knows her.I dont remember her phone in the bath room and I dont think she was on the phone. She definitely washed herself in some way. Her body. keeping a towel on her hair to prevent it getting wet when going in. Has she got some medical conditions? She expressesd some pain down there while I was doing her and she needed to go to the bathroom. I just find this quite strange and cant think of a reason.
What's a TS.
King Of Crunk
02-18-08, 00:19
Yes I think you are correct about the reduced price if you take a girl. But I think that applies if you take a girl before 5 pm on the weekdays and it might be 30 reais. Im not totally sure since the last time I went to Luomos I just went and chilled and left. Can someone verify the price structure.
Thanks
It has been two months since I was there last so prices may have changed but since you pulled a girl the entrance should have only been 45. Maybe you had 15 worth of drinks to bring it back up.The entrance goes down to 45 after your second girl
Yesterday there was a story about Help and its closing. Looks to me that the Help will be closed. Goverment of Rio de Janeiro is buying that property from the owner.
Article didn´t mention exact date for closure, so it may take a while until its gone.
Also article reveals identity of infamous MACUNAIMA.
It has been two months since I was there last so prices may have changed but since you pulled a girl the entrance should have only been 45. Maybe you had 15 worth of drinks to bring it back up.I was there yesterday. Price is 60 entry, you get a key and everything is charged to it, one session with a beautifull blonde called galuicia and about 7 beers for me and a couple for her was total 320. (including entrance) and I was there for about 4 hours. About 20 girls, mainly dark skinned but very sexy, 2 pale skinned blondes one of which I went with, I reccomend.
Also, an observation: I arrived here on Friday, had lined up a few non-pro girls from a web site, met one on sat and one yesterday, the one yesterday stayed last night but no joy, the one on sat didn't even go that far. I think I am going to stick to termas, terraco, beach and help from now on instead, having said that I am about to dial cia plus.
Oh also, wear factor 50 if your from northern europe here, even in the shade, unless you want to look like a lobster (like me).
I spoke with one of the managers from Help last night and he told me that it will close in less then a month. Supposidly that bingo hall in Arapidor is where everything is going to move to. It's very sad. By the way, Help was very slow last night. There was a free concert on the beach in front of the Copacabana Palace that lasted till midnight. It definitely was a buyers market. I met a guy from LA that had a girl quote him 500 reals for 5 hours. She was beautiful but totally out of her mind. She said 400 and he said beat it. I on the other hand have run into a dilema. And the dilema is in my room still sleeping right now. She was a girl from a past trip 2 years ago. I was with her for the last 5 days of my trip. Anyway, I vow not to become attached to one girl this trip. Although she is great. Today we're going over to 4x4. More on that later...
Andy 1974,
What is the name of the website you met girls on?
Yesterday there was a story about Help and its closing. Looks to me that the Help will be closed. Goverment of Rio de Janeiro is buying that property from the owner.
Article didn´t mention exact date for closure, so it may take a while until its gone.
Also article reveals identity of infamous MACUNAIMA.
O artigo esta em Internet? Por favor pode dar o hyperlink?
Jan 31 story. I was looking for news more current. But here is what I could find. No specific date mentioned. Basicly, the Goverment is appropriating the land to displace Help Disco.
Translaters please.
http://rraurl.uol.com.br/cena/4927/Governo_do_Rio_desapropria_Help_Discoteca
Text:
Governo do Rio desapropria Help Discoteca
Clássico mundano da noite carioca, terreno da boate deve virar Museu da Imagem e do Som
31.01.08 19:25
Deu na coluna do Ancelmo Góis (O Globo) dessa ***ça: o governador Sérgio Cabral desapropriou por decreto o terreno da Help Discoteca, boate clássica do Rio De Janeiro, que funciona desde 1984 e sempre esteve associado ao turismo sexual do Rio.
O decreto 41.151 já foi publicado no Diário Oficial e torna o terreno de 1600m² situado na orla da Praia de Copacabana área de utilidade pública. Os restaurantes Sobre as Ondas e Terraço Atlântico, que dividem a metragem com a Help, também devem ser desapropriados para dar lugar a uma nova sede da Museu da Imagem e do Som. O MIS carioca já tem duas sedes no centro, a serem designadas para novas funções estatais.
Apesar do decreto governamental, a estatização do local pode demorar porque o governo tem que negociar o valores e indenizações na Justiça. A previsão é que o governo assuma o terreno dois mes após o pagamento aos proprietários, que se mostraram surpresos com a iniciativa.
A CASA DE TODAS AS CASAS CARIOCAS
A Help Discoteca é um equivalente carioca do Love Story paulistano, tão famoso quanto e sempre comentado pela fachada vistosa e o incessante fluxo de de turistas estrangeiros, fanfarras carnavalescas e garotas nesses quase 25 anos. O local já foi, inclusive, investigado por uma CPI de prostituição infantil na década passada.
No site da Help, que se auto-intitula "the best discotheque in the fucking world", sobram fóruns comentando casos de roubo e confusões envolvendo garotas e, principalmente, turistas gringos. Casa que já serviu de espaço para eventos por sua aura legendária cidade, a Help tem até verbete no Wikipedia em inglês "explicando" como se dá o trato com as garotas.
I was there yesterday. Price is 60 entry, you get a key and everything is charged to it, one session with a beautifull blonde called galuicia and about 7 beers for me and a couple for her was total 320. (including entrance) and I was there for about 4 hours. About 20 girls, mainly dark skinned but very sexy, 2 pale skinned blondes one of which I went with, I reccomend.
Also, an observation: I arrived here on Friday, had lined up a few non-pro girls from a web site, met one on sat and one yesterday, the one yesterday stayed last night but no joy, the one on sat didn't even go that far. I think I am going to stick to termas, terraco, beach and help from now on instead, having said that I am about to dial cia plus.
Oh also, wear factor 50 if your from northern europe here, even in the shade, unless you want to look like a lobster (like me).Don't they waive the entry fee if you have session before 5pm?
O artigo esta em Internet? Por favor pode dar o hyperlink?
Nope.
Print copy only.
P
So starting out with earlier in the day when I wrote about hooking up with the girl last night at Help that I was with on my last trip, the day got a little more interesting. The wingman or lack there of that I wrote about left a note on his bed like a teenage runaway saying that he didn't like what I was doing and he didn't think that this was what his trip was going to be about. So I now have a lovely 3 bedroom apartment on the beach in Copa for the next 3 days. We came in late and drunk from Help at about 5 am but whatever. He left owing me $600 for the apartment. I'm tempted to cancel his plane ticket since I did it with my FF miles and let him pay $1200 for a one way back to Phoenix. Definitely was way surprised to find all this out when I finally opened his door around 3. In regards to Help girls, seems as though after talking to my girl from last night, that the top quality girls are really taking nothing less then 300 Reals these days. She is a little different in that she owns her own house and everything electronic even I can ever want. She told me that she chooses who she wants to sleep with and if they don't pay what she asks then she'll go home alone. Knowing what i know about her, I believe it. Sadly I'll probably be with her for the last two days of my trip but I learned from my first trip not to become emotionally attached. It is difficult sometimes because she's not only beautiful but smart. I am also amazed at the things that guys give her. I went to her apartment and she showed me a new IPod, a Mac Book laptop, and a nice digital camera. All gifts. I'm learning more and more about these girls every day. We're actually going to Help together tonight in search of a 2nd girl to bring home. Actually her idea. Should lead to an interesting report for tommorrow. At this rate, nothing surprises me.
Canuck9970
02-19-08, 02:21
it is interesting to read the spin that governor cabral and some of the media have put on this issue versus the way it will likely end up.
the actual owner of the land is deceased and apparently the inheritance of the property is in dispute right now.
help and several other impacted tenants of the land in question have valid leases that are not expiring in the near-term.
before the property can actually be expropriated the government and the owner (s) of the property must agree to fair compensation. i cannot imagine an agreement being reached without it going in front of a judge. based on the speed of legal proceedings in brasil i suspect the resolution of rightful inheritance followed by the compensation hearing will consume months if not years.
the government case would be really hard to argue. none of the businesses in question are operating illegally and there is no rationale for claiming that the government absolutely requires this particular property for the planned "museum".
that is not really all that important to the governor as he has already received favourable attention in the press. if the whole thing fades into oblivion he can simply point to the courts and say "i did my best".
this whole thing is simply another fine example of state politics "brasilian-style".
[QUOTE=Lancer520]So starting out with earlier in the day when I wrote about hooking up with the girl last night at Help that I was with on my last trip, the day got a little more interesting. The wingman or lack there of that I wrote about left a note on his bed like a teenage runaway saying that he didn't like what I was doing and he didn't think that this was what his trip was going to be about. So I now have a lovely 3 bedroom apartment on the beach in Copa for the next 3 days.
Man, I really feel for you on that BullShit move right there!!! Now That, is NOT the Definition of a Wingman! That's a Love Sick AssHole who left an old friend Hanging!!! Trust me that so called friend of yours will get his right back! All in Love & I bet in the long run she wont appreciate it! They'll end up breaking up & he'll look back to how he missed out on a golden opportunity of exploring Paradise!!! On top of that, realize he Flat out did a Friend wrong more so than anything!!!
Enjoy the rest of your trip!!!! You deserve that much.
Ohp1972
Wow, thats really fucked up of you buddy to sneak off without giving you the rest of the rent money. Sounds like a case for Judge Judy! LOL. Glad you didnt let it keep you from enjoying the rest of your vacation.
So starting out with earlier in the day when I wrote about hooking up with the girl last night at Help that I was with on my last trip, the day got a little more interesting. The wingman or lack there of that I wrote about left a note on his bed like a teenage runaway saying that he didn't like what I was doing and he didn't think that this was what his trip was going to be about. So I now have a lovely 3 bedroom apartment on the beach in Copa for the next 3 days. We came in late and drunk from Help at about 5 am but whatever. He left owing me $600 for the apartment. I'm tempted to cancel his plane ticket since I did it with my FF miles and let him pay $1200 for a one way back to Phoenix. Definitely was way surprised to find all this out when I finally opened his door around 3. In regards to Help girls, seems as though after talking to my girl from last night, that the top quality girls are really taking nothing less then 300 Reals these days. She is a little different in that she owns her own house and everything electronic even I can ever want. She told me that she chooses who she wants to sleep with and if they don't pay what she asks then she'll go home alone. Knowing what i know about her, I believe it. Sadly I'll probably be with her for the last two days of my trip but I learned from my first trip not to become emotionally attached. It is difficult sometimes because she's not only beautiful but smart. I am also amazed at the things that guys give her. I went to her apartment and she showed me a new IPod, a Mac Book laptop, and a nice digital camera. All gifts. I'm learning more and more about these girls every day. We're actually going to Help together tonight in search of a 2nd girl to bring home. Actually her idea. Should lead to an interesting report for tommorrow. At this rate, nothing surprises me.
I am definitely entertained with your report. Keep us updated!!!!!
Yeah I was in Help too a few weeks ago, and some of the girls were quoting R400 and told them i would pass, but I eventually found some that were more reasonable you have go around the club and approach different girls, there are takers for less including the hot ones!!!!
Help has been appraised at $R11 million. That's what it will cost the State of Rio de Janeiro to acquire the land.
Also there is a dispute about the ownership of Help.
According to City Hall, Help is/was owned by a Polish Nurse, who died 10 years ago. Her Heir receives a rent of $R77,000.
(The article does not state if that is yearly or monthly.)
The heir has a will in which Help will be donated to the Archdiocese of Rio, which wants nothing to do with Help.
According to the article, this should be concluded in 60 days.
BTW, they've been unable to locate the lawyers for the family.
http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/mat/2008/02/18/desapropriacao_da_boate_help_pode_custar_ao_estado_11_milhoes-425715637.asp
JonnyBrazil2008
02-19-08, 07:23
So starting out with earlier in the day when I wrote about hooking up with the girl last night at Help that I was with on my last trip, the day got a little more interesting. The wingman or lack there of that I wrote about left a note on his bed like a teenage runaway saying that he didn't like what I was doing and he didn't think that this was what his trip was going to be about. So I now have a lovely 3 bedroom apartment on the beach in Copa for the next 3 days. We came in late and drunk from Help at about 5 am but whatever. He left owing me $600 for the apartment. I'm tempted to cancel his plane ticket since I did it with my FF miles and let him pay $1200 for a one way back to Phoenix. Definitely was way surprised to find all this out when I finally opened his door around 3. In regards to Help girls, seems as though after talking to my girl from last night, that the top quality girls are really taking nothing less then 300 Reals these days. She is a little different in that she owns her own house and everything electronic even I can ever want. She told me that she chooses who she wants to sleep with and if they don't pay what she asks then she'll go home alone. Knowing what i know about her, I believe it. Sadly I'll probably be with her for the last two days of my trip but I learned from my first trip not to become emotionally attached. It is difficult sometimes because she's not only beautiful but smart. I am also amazed at the things that guys give her. I went to her apartment and she showed me a new IPod, a Mac Book laptop, and a nice digital camera. All gifts. I'm learning more and more about these girls every day. We're actually going to Help together tonight in search of a 2nd girl to bring home. Actually her idea. Should lead to an interesting report for tommorrow. At this rate, nothing surprises me.Sorry about your friend but I'm glad to see your not letting it spoil your fun. It's his loss.
I too had my share of girls from Help and also had one I really liked to spend time with just as you are doing. My girl had a nice apartment near the beach with a flat screen tv and all kinds of stuff guys have sent her. These girls are all about business and they are good at it.
So my advice to you is DO WHAT MAKES YOU HAPPY. You don't need to bang 1000 garotas to be happy. If you find one you like, keep seeing her. The GFE is something very special when you experience it with a girl you like.
I have a buddy who has a girl he favors and he always spends plenty of time with her and travels to Spain, Italy and Brazil to meet her.
He is a pro and has been to Brazil many times. His best advice he gave me is "DO WHAT MAKES YOU HAPPY" and as long as I followed that I always had a GREAT trip and never worried about the other bullshit life throws at you.
Thanks for sharing your story and have fun.
Trippleecks
02-19-08, 12:36
Chingon, I guess that the appraised value of R$11,000,000 was done by an appraiser found by the Sate of Rio and not the owners appraiser. My guess is that the land on which Help is on is actually worth more than double that amount. After all, there are not many locations left in Copacabana with small structures on them where the potential of High Rise construction is possible. So it’s worth it’s weight in Gold. With larger condos on Av. Atlantica selling for R$500,000 and much more, a builder could clean up with a high rise building on that location. My guess is that this will be in the courts for quite some time. Also we seem to forget that Help itself has a long term lease and so does the restaurant next door. What are those business worth? Another R$11,000,000 or more? My guess is more than that. This will be settled in the courts not in the newspapers. It will take a long time to work through the mess the documents seem to be in.
it is interesting to read the spin that governor cabral and some of the media have put on this issue versus the way it will likely end up.
the actual owner of the land is deceased and apparently the inheritance of the property is in dispute right now.
help and several other impacted tenants of the land in question have valid leases that are not expiring in the near-term.
before the property can actually be expropriated the government and the owner (s) of the property must agree to fair compensation. i cannot imagine an agreement being reached without it going in front of a judge. based on the speed of legal proceedings in brasil i suspect the resolution of rightful inheritance followed by the compensation hearing will consume months if not years.
the government case would be really hard to argue. none of the businesses in question are operating illegally and there is no rationale for claiming that the government absolutely requires this particular property for the planned "museum".
that is not really all that important to the governor as he has already received favourable attention in the press. if the whole thing fades into oblivion he can simply point to the courts and say "i did my best".
this whole thing is simply another fine example of state politics "brasilian-style".i don't know if you are old enough to appreciate this, but i am certain the very same thing happened with the drake hotel in vancouver back in the 70's. the dave barret government wanted seize the place and turn it into a government shelter but the property rights of the owners and tenants prevailed. the next time "the people" gave him a hard time about the strip bars and the prostitution on the vancouver east side, he just shrugged his shoulders and said, "hey - i tried".
30 years later the drake hotel is still going strong while the politicians are loooong forgotten.
different country - different decade - same politics.
Couldn't find anyone who could speak English on the phone from CIAPlus so I called karlas, booked Cecilia for R100 for 2 hours, she arrived 30 minutes later. While she was definatly the girl from the website she was certainly not as I imagined her. BJ was perfunctional, she appeared to be so bored she even had to prop her head up, sex was very tight and she almost looked in pain, she said she was completa so I rolled her over with the intention of fucking her ass but the biggest, nastiest white head spot on her left bum cheek kinda put me off! I came as quick as I could, made my excuses and said she had to go, she was here about 45 mins.
She did however bring the book with her, and if I had seen the book before hand (for those of you that haven't seen it, it has face pics) I definatly wouldn't have chosen Cecilia, however Suellen, Priscilla and Lana are all up my street!
Also, I had to pay here taxi here and back, she sad it was 50R which sounds very steep to me, still I didn't complain.
Has anyone had any luck talking to an English speaking receptionist at CIA Plus?
Andy1974
One final update about Cecilia, I just went for a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) and found she had left a little floating gift for me in the toilet, nice!
Oh and a cigarette butt too.
Don't they waive the entry fee if you have session before 5pm?I didn't get there untill after 5pm, then didn't do my session until about 7.30 or so.
So I was at Help again last night and sad to say, the girls had a union meeting and voted to raise the rates to 300 reals :oThere's definitely some to be had for less but from the 10 or 15 guys that I've talked to the last couple days, everyone is paying 300. The power of the pussy is much stronger then that of the almighty dollar. The quality of girls in Help seems to be the same as always. There's some dogs, some average, some good, and the select bombshells. I saw probably 6 or 7 bombshells in the place last night and it was a bit slow. I was talking to an American guy that told me a girl quoted him 1000 reals for the night. He asked me if she was off her rocker and i told him yes. Funny thing, when I saw the girl, she wasn't even that good looking.
By the way, thanks to all of you for your comments about my former friend. Glad to say I'm having a phenominal time now that he's gone. I'm suppose to leave tommorrow night but I'm thinking of extending my trip an extra day. Yep, I'm caught again hook, line,and sinker. I think the fact that the girl I am with doesn't ask me for money everyday is even worse then just paying the 300 Reals and sending them on there way the next day. I saw a guy offer her 600 reals to go with him last night and leave me. She said no which in the crazy Rio kind of way means something. What, I have no idea. I'll probably just unload my heavy wallet right before my trip to the airport like I did the last time. Who wants to take all of those heavy Reals back on the plane anyway...
So I was at Help again last night and sad to say, the girls had a union meeting and voted to raise the rates to 300 reals :oThere's definitely some to be had for less but from the 10 or 15 guys that I've talked to the last couple days, everyone is paying 300. The power of the pussy is much stronger then that of the almighty dollar. The quality of girls in Help seems to be the same as always. There's some dogs, some average, some good, and the select bombshells. I saw probably 6 or 7 bombshells in the place last night and it was a bit slow. I was talking to an American guy that told me a girl quoted him 1000 reals for the night. He asked me if she was off her rocker and i told him yes. Funny thing, when I saw the girl, she wasn't even that good looking.
By the way, thanks to all of you for your comments about my former friend. Glad to say I'm having a phenominal time now that he's gone. I'm suppose to leave tommorrow night but I'm thinking of extending my trip an extra day. Yep, I'm caught again hook, line,and sinker. I think the fact that the girl I am with doesn't ask me for money everyday is even worse then just paying the 300 Reals and sending them on there way the next day. I saw a guy offer her 600 reals to go with him last night and leave me. She said no which in the crazy Rio kind of way means something. What, I have no idea. I'll probably just unload my heavy wallet right before my trip to the airport like I did the last time. Who wants to take all of those heavy Reals back on the plane anyway...I had a hot blonde for 150 + 10 taxi last night from help, also before that I was quoted 200 by a girl I recognised from the photo gallery here, she is the one that someone asked "are they real or fake". I intend to session her tonight. So 2 out of 2 way below 300.
Hang in there until Obama becomes president. He will end this god damn war, raise taxes on these rich assholes, which will make the dollar go up. If mcain wins, we are in trouble, because the debt is going to go even higher.Make sure you pervs vote. Our mongering life depends on it.
Right you are Andy. Just because the chick asks for 300R doesn't mean that's the price you should pay. Unfortunately many guys confuse the "asking price" with the final price.
Since there is quite a lot of interest of this guy, I'll scan and post the article of closing the Help. Thus you all will be able to have his photo...
I had a hot blonde for 150 + 10 taxi last night from help, also before that I was quoted 200 by a girl I recognised from the photo gallery here, she is the one that someone asked "are they real or fake". I intend to session her tonight. So 2 out of 2 way below 300.Thats the 1st piece of good news that I've heard on this thread in while.
Here is the article that I promised.
Picture is Macunaima and his gorgeous wife.
Tits N Toes
02-22-08, 01:03
Hey guys,
Looking through the escort ads I keep seeing the term "sem frescura"...I think the LITERAL translation is (without freshness) but I don't get the signifigance.
To say you are complete and do anal without freshness is VERY funny when you read it (can't wait for some stinky butt) but I'm sure it REALLY means something else. Any help will be greatly appreciated and respected.
TNT
El Austriaco
02-22-08, 02:51
Looking through the escort ads I keep seeing the term "sem frescura"...I think the LITERAL translation is (without freshness) but I don't get the signifigance.
Without inhibitions. Not that different from "safada".
EA
Please lets stay away from politics; to ET and others. I love when you guys talk about brazilian buceta. But on politics your wrong anyway. Let's leave it at that and focus on what we know best. By the way here in the states I have been going to sex parties whic are pretty fun.
My two cents.
Without inhibitions. Not that different from "safada".
EA
In the P4P context, it usually refers to a condom.
In Response to Rio Joe... Many of the people on this board are married or in a relationship and simply want to monger to satiate an appetite that we have.... Frankly I feel that your presence on the site is a betrayal of trust and am a little disappointed that you do not see that you have broken faith with the “man’s code”. ET had it right from your first post….and it is a pity that more of us did not see you for what you truly are. Obviously I have no interest in exposing anyone in a relationship. I'm very careful about respecting people's anonymity. I don't know if you're cheating on someone, and I don't want to know. But it does take a huge set of balls to accuse others of "betrayal of trust" when you're betraying your spouse.
Also, I have to ask: Is this the "man's code" you're referring to? That guys should cheat all they want, then get together and gloat about it? That's not the reason for this website. What century are you living in? Is that why you come to this board, so that you can feel "validated" about screwing around behind your wife's back -- i.e., if other guys are doing it, then it must be alright. Well, guess what: It's still sleazy. That's why they call it "cheating." Like I said, I don't want to get anyone in trouble with their spouses. Canuck, go ahead and cheat all you want. But don't try to delude yourself that it makes you a player, part of an elite club with it's very own "man's code."
Also, do you really think the fact that mongering exists is a secret? Again, what century are you living in? Sex tourism gets a tremendous amount of attention. The only thing I'm doing differently is writing about it from a sex tourist's viewpoint.
ET had it right from your first post.Kissing up to ET is not the best way to build credibility for yourself. Then again, other people here have pointed out that your writing style (syntax, grammar, vocabulary, etc.) is extremely similar to ET's. Interesting...
Hey guys,
Looking through the escort ads I keep seeing the term "sem frescura"...I think the LITERAL translation is (without freshness) but I don't get the signifigance.
To say you are complete and do anal without freshness is VERY funny when you read it (can't wait for some stinky butt) but I'm sure it REALLY means something else. Any help will be greatly appreciated and respected.
TNT
I took the term to mean the equivalent of "not fussy," but EA's translation sounds better.
Rio Joe,
I really don't think it's cool of you to describe the mongering actions of some of your fellow forum members as "cheating" and to take the moral high ground in this forum. I would argue that recreational sex is completely different from relationship sex and having sex with GDPs doesn't damage relationships unless one becomes emotionally involved with them, which most members of this forum appear to be able to successfully avoid. In fact it can improve your home sex life. I think the term "cheating" is a glib way to describe guys who are just trying to wring as much as they possibly can from the limited time they have on this planet. I have even met women who are understanding of this.
Rio Joe,
I really don't think it's cool of you to describe the mongering actions of some of your fellow forum members as "cheating" and to take the moral high ground in this forum. I would argue that recreational sex is completely different from relationship sex and having sex with GDPs doesn't damage relationships unless one becomes emotionally involved with them, which most members of this forum appear to be able to successfully avoid. In fact it can improve your home sex life. I think the term "cheating" is a glib way to describe guys who are just trying to wring as much as they possibly can from the limited time they have on this planet. I have even met women who are understanding of this.
Hey, I've cheated too. My argument with Canuck_ET is that he's a self-righteous hypcocrite who accuses people of betraying his "man's code" while he advocates being disloyal to girlfriends/wives. In Canuck_ET's mind, having an affair and bragging about it to his friends makes him a "man's man."
Here is the article that I promised.
Picture is Macunaima and his gorgeous wife.
Thank you for posting this article, very informative. It is also one that mentions the Bingo Arpoador option for Helps replacement space. I heard it was a good space, multiple floors and large, sounds like a good option but I already heard that they have been declined a disco license to open up there and Ipanema doesn’t want a Help. Que pena.
If Help closes before a replacement club is available, Ave. Atlantica will be swarming with GDP's.
As far as the couple in that picture is concerned, they look like a lovely couple and he looks like a nice guy who wouldn't hurt a fly.
Canuck9970
02-23-08, 00:08
Rio Joe.
I regret that you do not understand the initial point that I was trying to make. On the other hand, perhaps you do fully understand and decided to attack rather than defend your position.
The often-stated mission of this site is "to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for women". Men from all different cultures, with different views and different interests share information with each other. This information is certainly not private yet also not in the "public domain". It is a wonderful concept and quite amazing how it works so effectively. My reference to "man's code" simply refers back to the mission of this site, the "exchange of information between men."
The site is not "to facilitate the exchange of information so that Rio Joe can get information for a book", which is what created my reference to "betrayal of trust."
I did get quite a chuckle regarding your supposition that I am actually E. T. Under another name. From reading this forum it appears that he has also gotten a little under your skin. Perhaps by combining us you can feel better knowing that there is now only one person that irritates you. You obviously are a little sensitive, which probably caused you to lash out with your diatribe aimed at me. Rather than take up valuable space on this Forum I will simply let it go. I commit to the other members that this is the last comment that I will make on this subject.
Rio Joe.
I regret that you do not understand the initial point that I was trying to make. On the other hand, perhaps you do fully understand and decided to attack rather than defend your position.
The often-stated mission of this site is "to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for women". Men from all different cultures, with different views and different interests share information with each other. This information is certainly not private yet also not in the "public domain". It is a wonderful concept and quite amazing how it works so effectively. My reference to "man's code" simply refers back to the mission of this site, the "exchange of information between men."
The site is not "to facilitate the exchange of information so that Rio Joe can get information for a book", which is what created my reference to "betrayal of trust."
I did get quite a chuckle regarding your supposition that I am actually E. T. Under another name. From reading this forum it appears that he has also gotten a little under your skin. Perhaps by combining us you can feel better knowing that there is now only one person that irritates you. You obviously are a little sensitive, which probably caused you to lash out with your diatribe aimed at me. Rather than take up valuable space on this Forum I will simply let it go. I commit to the other members that this is the last comment that I will make on this subject.If the purpose of this site is "to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for women" can we try to keep on topic, if you want an argument use the messaging system please.
So as i'm sitting home back in the US suffering from Post Rio Syndrome I thought I would give some final thoughts on my trip. First of all, to dispute many comments I've seen on this board, the quality of women overall is the same as always. I only checked out one Terma(Luomo) on my trip but I thought for a Sunday night, the talent was pretty good. Help is still Help. The quality of girls range from downright awful(mostly in front on Terraco Atlantico) to absolutely stunning. There was never a night when I couldn't find at least 5 to 10 drop dead gorgous girls in there. On my last night, I checked out Barbarella's with a friend and my lady companion(Yes, I know that's like bringing sand to the beach, but I had fun anyway). There was major talent in that place. Very overpriced major talent, but major talent none the less. The girls that my friend were talking to mostly asked 4-5 hundred reals for the night. There were only about 8 guys including us there that night and maybe 40 girls. I don't kile the fact that Barbarella's is basically a rip off joint but, I would return just based on shear talent alone.
There is no place in the world where you get the GFE like Rio. Maybe there is, but I haven't been there yet. The reason my posts stopped the last couple of days was because I was with the same girl and I had no more info to give with the exception of the best restaurants to eat in Rio(Definitely try Marius in Leme and Porcao in Ipanema). This was the same girl I had been with two years ago, and she seems to only be getting better with age. It really is difficult not to fall in love with these girls. They're beautiful, smart, and passionate. I always have that hint of doubt as to how much of it is an act but for those 4 days, do I really care. Actually that's a lie, I do care but how do you ever know the truth? As I have to get up right now back in the real world and go to work, I leave this trip with some great memories. I banged some beautiful women, I ate at the best restaurants, and i made some great friends along the way(Even though I lost one in the process). I'll look forward to Memorial Day when I'm planning to return and live the life for 9 days once again. Obrigado!!!
I'm going to Rio in May and need a few tips.
1) I heard that the hotels in Rio don't allow guest, however, can I just fool the hotel by telling them that two people are staying there instead of just me? Do they check ID everytime you walk in the door? I've never come across this so I'm trying to prepare for the experience.
2) I have read about the club action, but I guess I haven't seen much on street action. What are some cross streets that I should check out and at what times?
Thanks in advance!
I'm going to Rio in May and need a few tips.
1) I heard that the hotels in Rio don't allow guest, however, can I just fool the hotel by telling them that two people are staying there instead of just me? Do they check ID everytime you walk in the door? I've never come across this so I'm trying to prepare for the experience.
2) I have read about the club action, but I guess I haven't seen much on street action. What are some cross streets that I should check out and at what times?
Thanks in advance!most hotels do allow guests and will check id. not all do so you need to ask first.
there is no SW action for the most part.
Read Bubbas guide.
Sunset Strip
02-23-08, 20:28
The E,
This goes along with what OFF Road just said: in Rio there is no street action because many of the beachside restaurants have girls there. The point is that there is no need for street action because Copacabana is basically wide open for picking up girls.
In the states street action implies an area where girls hang out and pick them up for sex. In Rio, just go sit down in the Balcony, Mabs, or Meia Pataca and trust me you will not be alone for more than a few minutes (if that long).
Also, there is action on the beach.
TJ
Not sure if I posted on this forum.
Balcony and Mabs are at the east end of Copa, near Leme. I think Posto 2.
Mabs is a restaraunt, lately it has been full of GDPs and guys starting about noon until late afternoon or evening. You sit outside a a table, food is pretty good, sip on a drink and watch the girls.
Balcony is a bar that is 2 blocks from Mabs. It is open 24 hours. It has tables outside and bar tables with stools inside. It also has music inside and video DVDs at times. Also sports on the outside plasma. It is more like and american bar. You sit inside or out, watch the girls. Action starts about 8 or 9 will continue until lack of interest. Some of the gals will stop by here on the way to Help to see what is going on. There are occasionally a few good lookers there.
Prices are 50-200 for the girls depending on what you want (hour, all night etc) and how good they look.
So your day can consist of: Mabs in the afternoon, get a gal for the afternoon, wander to Balcony about 8pm, maybe you find something, maybe not. Take a van (R$2) or walk to Terraço Atlantaca about 10pm, enter Help at 11:50 or after, depends on if you want to save R$10 before midnight. If you are alone and not completely familiar with Copa, take the van, it is about 1 mile to TA from Balcony.
i'm going to rio in may and need a few tips.
2) i have read about the club action, but i guess i haven't seen much on street action. what are some cross streets that i should check out and at what times?
thanks in advance!
tj's advice is largely correct because if it is your first trip you would probably get better value in terms of time, money and safety by avoiding the street action, especially when p4p is so readily available in so many forms and so many other places
even so, there are a few designated areas and a few unofficial ones.
the corner of avenue prado junior and rua min. viveiros de castro, and the fifty yards on either side going towards ave ns copacabana and ave princesa isabel is busy from around 3am or a little earlier. they are good looking chicks and personally i tend to avoid them at any cost (regular posters know i don't avoid much). they include many robbers and junkies. you will also see them sitting on car bonnets there. (even the police car bonnet - the police won't protect you but they will maybe sell you viagra - better deals across the street for that though in the all-night chemist). if you are doing that area at that time you are slightly safer in nogueira restaurant (on viv. de castro) where you will learn to spot some of the differences, although that place is hardly for first timers to rio. both the sws and nog continue until it is light and a bit afterwards.
the other well-known place is by lapa. the sw scene is as you enter lapa from the coastal freeway. near the start of mem de sa and rua da lapa. they are very obvious and the closest to traditional streetwalkers you maybe see in rio. probably a few trannies. late night (after midnight) to early am.
there are streetwalkers on ave atlantica but they are almost 100% trannies.
there are streetwalkers near praca tiradentes (the north side, by rua goncalves ledo) but they are mostly very gross. i was sitting in an outside cafe with jazzydaddy and we were mostly hoping not to get offers as you could practically feel the unwashed fleas alighting from them in search of less unwashed habitants. not to mention the smell of days old [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) and so on. the odd one was lookable, but less so in daylight. some of them seem to do 24hrs, simply setting up shop during the day next to the phone box by the tiradentes supermarket.
you will also get offers in parts of this area as you venture towards lapa.
i quite like the sw scene usually, but don't really bother with it much in rj. occasionally i've picked up girls on ns copa or near help - ie on their way home or on their way to work there or balcony and so on.
Here is the article that I promised.
Picture is Macunaima and his gorgeous wife.Cheers for posting the article. It was interesting that it was slanted towards the viewpoint that that Help's closure would be a bad thing especially for the garotas. Refreshing from the "Help is evil and ruining Rio" dogma that you get from many (non-GDP/monger) Rio residents.
Without inhibitions. Not that different from "safada".
EAThis seems the best explanation so far. In general conversation it basically means open and without "airs and graces" e.g. I've had taxi drivers say women in a certain bar/club are sem frescuras. A patricinha will NOT be described as sem frescuras.
In an escort ad I would take it to mean open to most reasonable requests i.e not likely to be a PITA about things. IMO it is not as strong as "sem tabus" which implies open to pretty much anything.
There are streetwalkers on Ave Atlantica but they are almost 100% trannies.I value your reports on here but I would disagree on this point. Most of the SWs in Copa are women save for two parts.
1) The area at the end down near the Sofitel .
2) The corner just before you get to Mondegos (IIRC Constante Ramos) as you walk towards Help.
One other difference wrt SWs in Copa is that rather stand waiting for business many wander up and down Ave Atlantica looking for clients. In short any small group of young women wandering up and down Ave. Atlantica late at night and being overtly friendly to men are likely to be GDPs. This type are more likely to stop in and have a beer in Mabs/Balcony/TA than the hardcore girls standing at the cars who are likely to represent poor value in any case.
1) I heard that the hotels in Rio don't allow guest, however, can I just fool the hotel by telling them that two people are staying there instead of just me? Do they check ID everytime you walk in the door? I've never come across this so I'm trying to prepare for the experience.
If you tell them two people, they'll ask you to register her name on the guest card at the moment you check in.
If you come stumbling in at 3am with some street chick, they notice. The hotel is not real busy at that particular moment.
You are probably better off paying a motel. In Rio, as every other place on the planet, there's a time and a place for everything. The place for bringing back prostitutes is not your regular "family" hotel. It's a short-time motel, which are plentiful any place you go in the city of Rio.
It's probably better for you as a first-timer. Less chance of having your stuff ripped off by the girl.
Mr Enternational
02-24-08, 02:34
If you are alone and not completely familiar with Copa, take the van, it is about 1 mile to TA from Balcony.
I used to be an avid van taker. Nowadays I foot it all around Copa and Ipanema. I figure I'm lazy back home since I have to take my car everywhere. So I like to get in at least a little exercise when I am away.
Last night I timed the walk from Balcony to TA. It took me 28 minutes. I did stop for a small carmel corn though.
1) I heard that the hotels in Rio don't allow guest, however, can I just fool the hotel by telling them that two people are staying there instead of just me? Do they check ID everytime you walk in the door? I've never come across this so I'm trying to prepare for the experience.
It depends. There are many that are girl-friendly. Three decent hotels with prices around $100/night (check on hotels.com and other travel sites), where I have never had any problems with bringing back girls are the Luxor Continental in Leme, and in particular the Premier Copacabana (post is here (http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=653128&postcount=917). They all want the girl to show ID and register. This is good an for your protection. They also want to charge a fee for the overnight guest. You can usually pay the fee in cash to the night desk guy and thus keep it off your bill (might com in handy ;)). Fee is around R30 or so.
2) I have read about the club action, but I guess I haven't seen much on street action. What are some cross streets that I should check out and at what times?
Street action is MUCH less safe than the club scene. Think twice before you do it. I have pulled garotas of Ave Atlantica many times, and almost always was lucky. But you never know what you bring back to your room ... BTW, I also disagree with Christopherd that most are she-males. But many of them do not hesitate to rob you, if they get a chance. So if you want the TLN option, this may make for an uneasy night, even if you have a safe in your room.
I value your reports on here but I would disagree on this point. Most of the SWs in Copa are women save for two parts.
1) The area at the end down near the Sofitel .
2) The corner just before you get to Mondegos (IIRC Constante Ramos) as you walk towards Help.
One other difference wrt SWs in Copa is that rather stand waiting for business many wander up and down Ave Atlantica looking for clients. In short any small group of young women wandering up and down Ave. Atlantica late at night and being overtly friendly to men are likely to be GDPs. This type are more likely to stop in and have a beer in Mabs/Balcony/TA than the hardcore girls standing at the cars who are likely to represent poor value in any case.
Yes, I overstated it, and you and Euro make a good point.
What I was thinking of was more the SWs that stand on the kerb, trying to attract cars. They are maybe the obvious 'SWs' to an initial glance. The ones walking about and less ostentatiously on the pavement tend to be women.
Expanding on Euro's point, many will try to rob you even *before* you get back to the hotel.
But there are also some girls occasionally that are a bit shy and just don't want to frequent the main pick-up joints so obviously. You can meet them sometimes at Sucos bars.
But to the poster who is visiting for the first time, you will have seen that the wide consensus tends to be avoid them unless you feel very sure indeed!
Thank you for posting this article, very informative. It is also one that mentions the Bingo Arpoador option for Helps replacement space. I heard it was a good space, multiple floors and large, sounds like a good option but I already heard that they have been declined a disco license to open up there and Ipanema doesn’t want a Help. Que pena.
If Help closes before a replacement club is available, Ave. Atlantica will be swarming with GDP's.
As far as the couple in that picture is concerned, they look like a lovely couple and he looks like a nice guy who wouldn't hurt a fly.
Anyone willing to translate it? Can't use a translation program because its a picture. Can't copy and paste.
Anyone willing to translate it? Can't use a translation program because its a picture. Can't copy and paste.
I took a crack at the first page. Not 100% accurate, but should give the general idea. My side notes, questions, etc., are in brackets[ ]:
Globo Article (page 1). Title: END OF THE PARTY
The imminent closing of Help raises heated debate over sexual tourism and morality.
Every night at 11pm, a bell rings on Avenida Atlantica, on the corner of Djalma Ulrich in Copacabana. It's when the crowd on the sidewalk starts to break up and everyone hurries to get inside the building. It's as if a bunch of students just heard the recess bell. Nobody there is a child, but what awaits them inside is still a type of recreation.
Thus begins another night at Help, legendary nightclub of carioca prostitution. Since the state government announced at the end of January the expropriation of Help's property, the club's most frequent guests -- the prostitutes -- fear the next bell will be the last. Help's employees are also worrried. Until the fear is realized with the installation of the Museum of Image and Sound in place of Help, a controversy is growing that involves accusations of sex tourism and drug trafficking on one side, and moralism and political opportunism on the other.
Says the governor's chief of staff Regis Fichtner: "We're going to finish with Help because it's a den of prostitution and drugs, a symbol of the degradation of Copacabana. It's the main cause of urban disorder in the neighborhood. As the governor wants to promote culture, [next clause is "juntamos a fome com a vontade de comer" -- literally "we join together the hunger with the desire to eat." I guess it's a way of saying "it's the perfect time to strike."] Davida, the most active non-governmental organization defending prostitutes rights, promises a manifesto against the governor's decision. Davida holds that prostitution isn't a crime in Brazil, only its exploitation [pimping?] -- which isn't proven in the case of Help.
"Why take Help away from there? In order to create other ghettos like Vila Mimosa, where anything can happen? The impression remains that cleaning up Copacabana means getting rid of prostitutes," says Davida president Gabriela Leite.
The debate can be heard in the line for Help, before the bell rings. Among the prostitutes, the end of Help can be compared to banning the popcorn vendors of Praca Saens Pena from the cinemas of Barra da Tijuca. Generally, the sex professionals that frequent Help dislike working on the sidewalks or inferninhos [sweltering heat?] of Copa. At Help they make a daily investment of 23 reais -- the entrance fee, the same that men pay [isn't that factually incorrect? don't men pay more? i guess it's been too long since I've been to Help] -- in order to make 20 times that amount by the end of the night.
I took a crack at the first page. Not 100% accurate, but should give the general idea. My side notes, questions, etc., are in brackets[ ]:
Globo Article (page 1). Title: END OF THE PARTY
The imminent closing of Help raises heated debate over sexual tourism and morality.
Every night at 11pm, a bell rings on Avenida Atlantica, on the corner of Djalma Ulrich in Copacabana. It's when the crowd on the sidewalk starts to break up and everyone hurries to get inside the building. It's as if a bunch of students just heard the recess bell. Nobody there is a child, but what awaits them inside is still a type of recreation.
Thus begins another night at Help, legendary nightclub of carioca prostitution. Since the state government announced at the end of January the expropriation of Help's property, the club's most frequent guests -- the prostitutes -- fear the next bell will be the last. Help's employees are also worrried. Until the fear is realized with the installation of the Museum of Image and Sound in place of Help, a controversy is growing that involves accusations of sex tourism and drug trafficking on one side, and moralism and political opportunism on the other.
Says the governor's chief of staff Regis Fichtner: "We're going to finish with Help because it's a den of prostitution and drugs, a symbol of the degradation of Copacabana. It's the main cause of urban disorder in the neighborhood. As the governor wants to promote culture, [next clause is "juntamos a fome com a vontade de comer" -- literally "we join together the hunger with the desire to eat." I guess it's a way of saying "it's the perfect time to strike."] Davida, the most active non-governmental organization defending prostitutes rights, promises a manifesto against the governor's decision. Davida holds that prostitution isn't a crime in Brazil, only its exploitation [pimping?] -- which isn't proven in the case of Help.
"Why take Help away from there? In order to create other ghettos like Vila Mimosa, where anything can happen? The impression remains that cleaning up Copacabana means getting rid of prostitutes," says Davida president Gabriela Leite.
The debate can be heard in the line for Help, before the bell rings. Among the prostitutes, the end of Help can be compared to banning the popcorn vendors of Praca Saens Pena from the cinemas of Barra da Tijuca. Generally, the sex professionals that frequent Help dislike working on the sidewalks or inferninhos [sweltering heat?] of Copa. At Help they make a daily investment of 23 reais -- the entrance fee, the same that men pay [isn't that factually incorrect? don't men pay more? i guess it's been too long since I've been to Help] -- in order to make 20 times that amount by the end of the night.The price for women and men is the same, 23 before midnight and 33 after.
Thanks for the attempt at translating RJ. I guess it really doesn't matter what the reasoning is for the closing of Help is. To be completely honest, during a 10 day trip, I might go into the club 1 or 2 times. Ever since my first time in Rio, Help has never been the center of my activities.
Closing Help only means more people have to be more creative about where to make a buck/euro, whatever. For us, well, some will no doubt start to venture out further into other areas. I do wonder, if/when Help closes, what effect this will have on the price that the girl on the beach, and at the dive bars girls will ask. I'm thinking at some point, without Help, or another similar venue, the GDP economy will fall into recession.................
ryjer
Is there a link for the Oglobo Help report? I was unable to find it online. I've zoomed in on the image that was posted of it, but find it difficult to read.
thanks in advance
Thanks for the attempt at translating RJ. I guess it really doesn't matter what the reasoning is for the closing of Help is. To be completely honest, during a 10 day trip, I might go into the club 1 or 2 times. Ever since my first time in Rio, Help has never been the center of my activities.
Closing Help only means more people have to be more creative about where to make a buck/euro, whatever. For us, well, some will no doubt start to venture out further into other areas. I do wonder, if/when Help closes, what effect this will have on the price that the girl on the beach, and at the dive bars girls will ask. I'm thinking at some point, without Help, or another similar venue, the GDP economy will fall into recession.................
ryjer
I agree, I think the closing of HELP will create a buyers market.
On my last night in Rio, we walked the full length of Avenida Atlantica from Princess Isabella to Help at 4 in the morning. Along the way, we saw probably 20 SW's. A few were definitely trannies bu most of them looked like regular girls. The quality was not very good. Most of them 3's and 4's and some really scary looking ones. Seems like there were a lot in the blocks before and after the Marriott hotel. I did also see a few girls that were obviously walking back from Help empty handed. My friend talked to a couple of them but I think he was just seeing how low he could get them for.
I took a crack at the first page. Not 100% accurate, but should give the general idea. My side notes, questions, etc., are in brackets[ ]:
Globo Article (page 1). Title: END OF THE PARTY
The imminent closing of Help raises heated debate over sexual tourism and morality.
Every night at 11pm, a bell rings on Avenida Atlantica, on the corner of Djalma Ulrich in Copacabana. It's when the crowd on the sidewalk starts to break up and everyone hurries to get inside the building. It's as if a bunch of students just heard the recess bell. Nobody there is a child, but what awaits them inside is still a type of recreation.
Thus begins another night at Help, legendary nightclub of carioca prostitution. Since the state government announced at the end of January the expropriation of Help's property, the club's most frequent guests -- the prostitutes -- fear the next bell will be the last. Help's employees are also worrried. Until the fear is realized with the installation of the Museum of Image and Sound in place of Help, a controversy is growing that involves accusations of sex tourism and drug trafficking on one side, and moralism and political opportunism on the other.
Says the governor's chief of staff Regis Fichtner: "We're going to finish with Help because it's a den of prostitution and drugs, a symbol of the degradation of Copacabana. It's the main cause of urban disorder in the neighborhood. As the governor wants to promote culture, [next clause is "juntamos a fome com a vontade de comer" -- literally "we join together the hunger with the desire to eat." I guess it's a way of saying "it's the perfect time to strike."] Davida, the most active non-governmental organization defending prostitutes rights, promises a manifesto against the governor's decision. Davida holds that prostitution isn't a crime in Brazil, only its exploitation [pimping?] -- which isn't proven in the case of Help.
"Why take Help away from there? In order to create other ghettos like Vila Mimosa, where anything can happen? The impression remains that cleaning up Copacabana means getting rid of prostitutes," says Davida president Gabriela Leite.
The debate can be heard in the line for Help, before the bell rings. Among the prostitutes, the end of Help can be compared to banning the popcorn vendors of Praca Saens Pena from the cinemas of Barra da Tijuca. Generally, the sex professionals that frequent Help dislike working on the sidewalks or inferninhos [sweltering heat?] of Copa. At Help they make a daily investment of 23 reais -- the entrance fee, the same that men pay [isn't that factually incorrect? don't men pay more? i guess it's been too long since I've been to Help] -- in order to make 20 times that amount by the end of the night.
Thanks. Much appreciated!
Closing Help only means more people have to be more creative about where to make a buck/euro, whatever. For us, well, some will no doubt start to venture out further into other areas. I do wonder, if/when Help closes, what effect this will have on the price that the girl on the beach, and at the dive bars girls will ask. I'm thinking at some point, without Help, or another similar venue, the GDP economy will fall into recession.................
I agree, I think the closing of HELP will create a buyers market.Gents, be careful what you wish for!
For me Help has always provided the best value in Rio i.e. TLN for R$100-150, R$200 at most. All this after reasonably priced drinks in an environment where one can size up the garotas at one’s leisure to gauge their attitude whilst under no real pressure to buy them “ladies” drinks. Also, if the authorities can close somewhere as large, high profile and profitable as Help what’s to stop them going after other targets.
In short, the status quo is pretty damn good and there is NO guarantee that closing Help will improve matters. If anything there’s a good chance it will worsen things. Surmising that it will provoke a recession and lead to bargain mongering is IMO wishful thinking in the extreme.
For me Help has always provided the best value in Rio i.e. TLN for R$100-150, R$200 at most. Also, if the authorities can close somewhere as large, high profile and profitable as Help what’s to stop them going after other targets.
In short, the status quo is pretty damn good and there is NO guarantee that closing Help will improve matters. If anything there’s a good chance it will worsen things. Surmising that it will provoke a recession and lead to bargain mongering is IMO wishful thinking in the extreme.
I think whatever the motives for closing Help, it won't initially clear up the GDP issues that the city/country is facing as a whole. For Help, it is just a place to congregate, and this place is a dance club. It's a venue where the girls can dress up in their very best, and in some cases, that's not saying much, but can show their wares.
Without something similar, all you have is the beach, the street, termas, and the agencies. Maybe places like Mabs, and Balcony will pickup. What if some of the 5's and 6's move into VM? What about a crack down on termas similar to what's going on in SP? What I think we're saying is that without a specific play to sell goods and services, other avenues will open up.
Don't get me wrong, Help is not the end all be all. Without a venue similar to there are quite a few of our bretheren who will be lost. These are the ones who've never ventured from Copacabana. I think this can be a very good situation for some of us. If this does come to pass, I'm looking forward to playing let's make a deal.
Vila Mimosa has just been instantly upgraded.............................
ryjer
I've only been to Brazil 1 time for 2 weeks, and I think if HELP closes all in all it will be bad for us. Because Clubs like that are 1 in a million, its famous for a reason, and it will not be the same without it, because it will be impossible to recreate the atmosphere, energy, and passion of such a place. The girls may still be around but there will never be another place where each night brings excitement even if you don't go back home with a girl. I remember from my trips to Ukraine they had a similar place to HELP and it was great, but then they closed it down and now no other place compares to the original. Now I only hope to go back to Rio in April or may so I can have a last taste of a special place.
Gents, be careful what you wish for!
For me Help has always provided the best value in Rio i.e. TLN for R$100-150, R$200 at most. All this after reasonably priced drinks in an environment where one can size up the garotas at one’s leisure to gauge their attitude whilst under no real pressure to buy them “ladies” drinks. Also, if the authorities can close somewhere as large, high profile and profitable as Help what’s to stop them going after other targets.
In short, the status quo is pretty damn good and there is NO guarantee that closing Help will improve matters. If anything there’s a good chance it will worsen things. Surmising that it will provoke a recession and lead to bargain mongering is IMO wishful thinking in the extreme.
I tend to agree with you on this. We have to remember that while Help provided us with a place in which we could " size up" the garotas, it also provided them with a centralized location in which to find a concentration of potential "customers". There are many girls who come to Rio specifically because of this. What will they do if there is no "Help" and there is no place for us to congregate. Could it actually reduce the number of garotas and create a sellers market? If the number of garotas is reduced then there could be more competition (between mongers) for the services of those that are still around. hmmmmmmmmm?
I believe that prices will have to drop. Have anyone heard of the statement "Divide and conquer?" There will be no way for women to set prices if they are all over the place seeking that high paying customer. Yes, the market for the high paying "guppy" customer will still need to be filled, however, because there is no "collusion" or GDP network controlling prices in one location, the prices will have to fall. I particularly can't stand Help; it is incidious to think foreigners are paying R200, R300, R400 or over R500 to providers that will otherwise settle for R50 to R100 for locals. The whole thing makes no sense to me, that's all. However, to each his own. I know a lot of fellas enjoy the place. I personally blame the place for the extreme inflation in GDP services; no self respecting Brazilian male will be caught dead paying these providers what we pay for them. I hope the place closes before my next trip. I can't wait to see the faces of those same providers asking for their ridiculous rates while out in the street. Think about it. They will have to settle for whatever they can get. Remember, though; an unhappy provider gives really shitty service, especially if she is getting less than what she thinks she deserves. So, I expect Termas prices to go up considerably, because mongers do get value for what they pay at these establishments. That is where there is going to be a huge rise in attendance after Help closes. There is almost a standard of service at these places and the "High Paying" tourist might ruin that also for the rest of us. I hope I am wrong about that...
I tend to agree with you on this. We have to remember that while Help provided us with a place in which we could " size up" the garotas, it also provided them with a centralized location in which to find a concentration of potential "customers". There are many girls who come to Rio specifically because of this. What will they do if there is no "Help" and there is no place for us to congregate. Could it actually reduce the number of garotas and create a sellers market? If the number of garotas is reduced then there could be more competition (between mongers) for the services of those that are still around. hmmmmmmmmm?
One other difference wrt SWs in Copa is that rather stand waiting for business many wander up and down Ave Atlantica looking for clients. Last year a buddy and I were walking near Republica do Peru and two attractive gals approached us. One of them was hugging my buddy, I told the other one not interested and to stay away. The other gal was rubbing her tits on my buddy, letting him feel her ass. They finally left, jumped into a cab. Later he discovered his wallet missing...
King Of Crunk
02-25-08, 18:04
Last year a buddy and I were walking near Republica do Peru and two attractive gals approached us. One of them was hugging my buddy, I told the other one not interested and to stay away. The other gal was rubbing her tits on my buddy, letting him feel her ass. They finally left, jumped into a cab. Later he discovered his wallet missing...Well just in case this happens next time just walk away or tell them whats up right away but if you want to be more a real joker keep your money in your sock and keep a mouse trap with the bottom facing your buttock and the trap facing the opposite way and let them come hug you then. Never tried myself but who knows.
Last year a buddy and I were walking near Republica do Peru and two attractive gals approached us. One of them was hugging my buddy, I told the other one not interested and to stay away. The other gal was rubbing her tits on my buddy, letting him feel her ass. They finally left, jumped into a cab. Later he discovered his wallet missing...
I wouldn't mind if this happens to me...as long as I can fuck the girl and that there are just a couple of bucks in my wallet. Republica do Peru you said, what time of the day was it? :)
I wouldn't mind if this happens to me...as long as I can fuck the girl and that there are just a couple of bucks in my wallet. Republica do Peru you said, what time of the day was it? :)corner of ave Atlantica and R. do Peru.. about 7:30PM.
Voyajer1 I tend to agree with you. It is economics and the small business model in its purest form. It simply would be foolish to think that from over 4, 000 GDP's in Copacobana, Ipanema, and Centro, it would go down to 1, 000. Or; that Help was home to the only person capable in RJ of running a business of this sort and that not 1 conniving money-hungry Rio business persons won't try and make a run at being the next help. It is a fact that without a seller's venue buyers will now hold a sizeable advantage. Maybe all the bars/strip clubs will improve (GDP talent will be evenly disbursed throughout Copa)overall so each and every night a fellow monger might have three or four different spots to choose from or sort-of bar hop. Its always hard to let a good thing go. Sort of like a Girlfriend or a wife. But without fail another one always comes along. Focus on the positives.
Come on, gentlemen. All this frenzy about a venue that regularly drew the scorn of a large percentage of readers of this forum?
I am long-in-tooth enough to have known Rio well before there was "Help." Believe me: the garotas still came to town; they had no trouble positioning themselves for business; the clients (including non-Cariocas) always found them; deals were always made; and everyone seemed to live happily ever after - until the next time. As I recall, it was rather fun and ideologically gratifying: Milton Friedman's perfect market (if not quite his perfect values).
The life we all enjoy in Rio will continue just fine. Without Help.
Voyajer1 I tend to agree with you. It is economics and the small business model in its purest form. It simply would be foolish to think that from over 4, 000 GDP's in Copacobana, Ipanema, and Centro, it would go down to 1, 000. Or; that Help was home to the only person capable in RJ of running a business of this sort and that not 1 conniving money-hungry Rio business persons won't try and make a run at being the next help. It is a fact that without a seller's venue buyers will now hold a sizeable advantage. Maybe all the bars/strip clubs will improve (GDP talent will be evenly disbursed throughout Copa)overall so each and every night a fellow monger might have three or four different spots to choose from or sort-of bar hop. Its always hard to let a good thing go. Sort of like a Girlfriend or a wife. But without fail another one always comes along. Focus on the positives.
We live in interesting times. Who knows what the future holds............
Icyhoteric
02-27-08, 06:53
I'll be in Rio Mar 7-12, will report back on any word on the street (not that it's worth all that much) about a potential closing date for Helpe. I'm back for a big blowout week with a lot of guys April 5-12, looking for a monster party at Helpe one night to say goodbye, but hear so many different things. Just wondering if anyone has heard anything recently.
Cheers,
IHE
Is there a link for the Oglobo Help report? I was unable to find it online. I've zoomed in on the image that was posted of it, but find it difficult to read.
thanks in advance
Hi!
This article was only on the magazine they publish every Sunday. They do not put any of the articles from that magazine to internet. To be able to read, you'll need to get a hardcopy.
Unfortunately the forum rules prohibit me to make larger picture out of it and I'm way too lazy to make a text file.
Spinnerman
02-27-08, 16:44
Just got back from Rio. The lower staff are saying Help will close on the 28th.
But upper management guy I know just winks when I ask him. A friend of mine in Copa who is very highly placed says it won't close, they've done this for the past five years. Looks like a crackdown , but nothing changes.
Property ownership is still in dispute and the businesses have valid long term leases. There are three owners of the club and the Brazilian one is very very highly placed. Also the prefeitura don't have the R25 Million it would take to expropriate land and businesses.
I bet anyone a beer it doesn't close.
Some on here were reporting that Help was supposed to close on Feb. 25th. Is it still up and running? Any new information as far as relocation, etc?
Thanks
Some on here were reporting that Help was supposed to close on Feb. 25th. Is it still up and running? Any new information as far as relocation, etc?
ThanksIt was open last night.
Just got back from Rio. The lower staff are saying Help will close on the 28th.
But upper management guy I know just winks when I ask him. A friend of mine in Copa who is very highly placed says it won't close, they've done this for the past five years. Looks like a crackdown , but nothing changes.
Property ownership is still in dispute and the businesses have valid long term leases. There are three owners of the club and the Brazilian one is very very highly placed. Also the prefeitura don't have the R25 Million it would take to expropriate land and businesses.
I bet anyone a beer it doesn't close.
I heard the same thing from help employers when I was there last month that it won't close.
I hope it doesn't, but if it does there will always be something else
What agencies are best for planning parties. I was thinking about doing the VIP thing on my next trip. Any suggestions??
ryjer
Have you ever pulled any of the ladies from centro back for a little festa? With what they make per session, I imagine I could really make it worth the price of admission if I offered the right price for take out service. Any thoughts?
ryjer
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