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01-01-06, 01:00
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California Guy
01-01-06, 03:13
No SP lol :) Thanks for the information! A girl I know said I should go because of the hotties and then I noticed some of the pix here and thought it would be fun but I would rather be at the beach. The only concern I have with Rio is the crime and safety aspects because I don't feel like spending 10 days where I don't feel comfortable. Does anyone know if there are beaches you can go to just outside of Rio, or is that expensive for a taxi? I wouldn't mind finding a couple girls and taking them away from the chaos. By the way, what exactly is a Terma? Is this basically a small horror house? I am more the type who wants a hot ass girl on my balls all night but I will definitely check them out if that is where the hot ones go. Also, are there girls you can pick up at the beach or is that basically the non-pro area? I think I may go after Carnaval and save a little. Plus I don't think I want to deal with that many people at once and I can have fun at home for this. I have heard those falls are beautiful so maybe I will check it for a couple days instead of going to SP. I guess I could do the Rio, Bahia, Foraleza trip, or I could do a Rio, Bahia, and Iguaza (not sure about that spelling) to see both great women and the gorgeous country. Thanks again to the people who respond, it is hard sometimes to get responses from the pro's here but I love helping others and hope it comes back to me as well.

Happy New Year!!

Lorenzo
01-01-06, 05:55
California Guy,

I think you need to read the forum...thoroughly, especially the Rio de Janeiro 2005 Reports thread, but others as well. I think you will find all of your questions answered there, eventually. This is something to which you need to devote some time and effort. I think most of the veteran users of this forum are more than happy to answer questions, but only for people who have already done their homework. I think many of us balk at taking the time to answer questions that have already been answered abundantly elsewhere. So I suggest that you take the time to read the forum, and then, if you still have questions, come back and ask them. I think you'll find that most of us will be quite generous with our time. But if you have to ask what a termas is, it's obvious that you haven't done even basic research. Check out Bubba Boy's reports and you'll find out everything you need to know about termas: location, price, hours, etc., as well as information about other mongering sites.

But I'll answer that question just this once. A termas is a brothel; it's that simple. But it's a very special type of Brazilian brothel which made me think, the first time I went to one, that I had died and gone to heaven. Read the forum and you'll find out more.

Lorenzo

JustGotBack
01-01-06, 06:48
This might be old news, but I didn't know about it. I was just in northern Mexico, aka San Diego, and saw a billboard advertising Brahma Beer. They even have a US website, Brahma USA is in CT. I wished the website said where you can buy it in the US. Now I'll have to look for it. My stash from my last Brazil trip was running low.

Pluto2
01-02-06, 16:42
Was doing some homework on Vitoria, not easy, and ran across these sites which can be used for Brazil and the world.


Sea Ports web site:http://portfocus.com/brazil

Hotels Brazil: www.brazils-hotels.com

City Brazil Guide on-line: http://www.citybrazil.com.br/index.htm

Large International Attorny, does real estate and lots of commercial stuff. Offices all over Brazil and the world: http://www.tklaw.com/website.nsf/index.htm

Language Programs: http://www.studyabroadlinks.com/

Newspapers world: http://www.mondotimes.com/

Weather: http://www.weatherbase.com/

Swing clubs: http://www.swingprive.com/principal.htm

Good travel info site: http://feriasbrasil.terra.com.br/

Motorcycle web site with trip reports:
http://www.motoviagem.com.br/jp_xlx350nordeste.htm

Great on-line directory for all of Brazil, enter what you want it finds it!
http://www2.uol.com.br

on-line brazilian engine, looks like gold mine for Brazil: http://www.aonde.com/buscadas/acompanhantes.htm


Airline web sites for Domestic Carriers
www.vasp.com.br

www.varig.com.br

www.tam.com.br

www.voegol.com.br

www.voebra.com.br

Pluto2
01-03-06, 17:10
I got tired of looking these up:

Brazil country code: 55

Brazil mobile codes:
110, 119, 19, 210, 216, 217, 219, 310, 311, 319, 507, 519, 619, 664, 7, 799,
88, 99

Brazil city codes:
Alegre 27
Belem 91
Belo Horizonte 31
Brasilandia 61
Curitiba 41
Fortaleza 85
Goiania 62
Manaus 92
Niteroi 21
Pelotas 532
Porto Alegre 512
Recife 81
Rio De Janeiro 21
Salvador 71
Santo Andre 11
Santo 132
Vitoria 27


City Dialing codes

Abaetetuba 91
Alagoinhas 75
Americana 194
Aparecida 125
Aracaju 79
Aracatuba 186
Araguaina 62
Arapiraca 82
Bage 533
Barbacena 32
Barra Mans 243
Bauru 14
Belo Horizonte 31
Belo Horizonte 310
Blumenau 473
Boa Vista 95
Brasilia 61
Cachoeiro 27
Campina G 83
Campinas 19
Campo Gran 67
Canoas 512
Caratinga 33
Caruaru 81
Cascavel 452
Caxias 98
Chapeco 497
Criciuma 484
Curitiba 41
Divinopoli 37
Fortaleza 85
Foz Do Igu 455
Franca 16
Governado Valeres 339
Governador 332
Guaruja 13
Guarulhos 35
Indaiatuba 192
Itabuna 73
Itapetinin 152
Joinvile 474
Lages 492
Londrina 432
Macae 247
Macapa 96
Maringa 442
Marllia 144
Montes Cia 38
Natal 84
Nova Fribu 245
Parnaiba 86
Passo Fund 54
Patos De M 34
Pelotas 532
Petropolis 242
Pindamonha 122
Ponta Gros 422
Porto Velh 69
Presidente 182
Rio Branco 68
Rio Claro 195
Rio De Janeiro 21
Rio De Janeiro 211
Rio Grande 536
Salvador 71
Santa Cruz 51
Santa Mari 55
Santos 132
Sao Carlos 162
Sao Jose 482
Sao Jose D 123
Sao Jose D 172
Sao Paulo 11
Sao Paulo 111
Sorocaba 15
Taubate 12
Umuarama 446

QuackUp
01-04-06, 22:24
The new edition of Swank has an article on Brazil. Not really for the guys who have been there before but a quick tour for the newbie. It has addresses for the more popular termas. We get much more info on this site, but it is kind of cool to say I have visited all the places this guy went to.

Of course I only bought the magazine for the articles. Actually there are some hot babes in there.

Q

Pluto2
01-06-06, 04:47
USA--Argentina--Brazil
----- USD ARS BRL
1990 1.00 0.00 0.00
1991 1.00 0.00 0.00
1992 1.00 0.00 0.00
1993 1.00 0.00 0.00
1994 1.00 0.00 0.00
1995 1.00 1.00 0.96
1996 1.00 1.00 1.00
1997 1.00 1.00 1.08
1998 1.00 1.00 1.16
1999 1.00 1.00 1.81
2000 1.00 1.00 1.83
2001 1.00 1.00 2.33
2002 1.00 3.07 2.86
2003 1.00 2.94 3.04
2004 1.00 2.92 2.93
2005 1.00 2.91 2.44
*2006 1.00 3.15 2.43

Sunset Strip
01-06-06, 19:44
I see the billboard near Rosecrans St. all of the time. By the way, were you visiting one of the strip clubs near there?

I think Albertsons in San Diego carries Brahma. I am actually going stop by Albertsons today to buy some if possible.

TJ

DFWdude
01-07-06, 02:50
This is the third time this has happend to me. My last 5 year visa was issued in 2000, expired last year. I went twice last year and both times I got a 90 day visa. I am planning a trip for Feb, got another 90 day visa. I am tempted to boycott Brazil and go pussy hunting in other parts of the world, but I am addicted to that Brazilian azz too much!

Sunset Strip
01-07-06, 20:37
What consulate do you use?
I am not sure if it makes a difference but I still may avoid using that one. My visa runs out in 2007 and I might renew before I relocate if it turns out I have to use your consulate.


TJ

DFWdude
01-08-06, 16:49
I use the one in Houston. I think I will use my parents address next time and use the one in San Francisco

Bubba Boy
01-08-06, 20:46
Have you ever thought of attaching a letter saying that you require a 5 years visa because you will be visiting the place regularly?

California Guy
01-09-06, 02:01
I have to move my plans back and will be flying to Rio in Late March, is this still a good time to go? I wasn't sure if it is okay or better to wait for Spring?

Thanks,
Cali

Rio Bob
01-09-06, 03:12
I have to move my plans back and will be flying to Rio in Late March, is this still a good time to go? I wasn't sure if it is okay or better to wait for Spring?

Thanks,
Cali

In recent years I have gone in mid March and late March, great times to go, less crowds, better prices and better weather. This year I am going after this time period and the weather should be in the mid 80's and the mongering scene should be outstanding as there will be less tourists.

One Eyed Man
01-09-06, 05:25
This is the third time this has happend to me. My last 5 year visa was issued in 2000, expired last year. I went twice last year and both times I got a 90 day visa. I am planning a trip for Feb, got another 90 day visa. I am tempted to boycott Brazil and go pussy hunting in other parts of the world, but I am addicted to that Brazilian azz too much!Maybe you could try the NYC consulate. I got a 5-year visa without asking. Here's an except from their website:

The Tourist Visa is generally good for 5 years with multiple entries. There are, however, exceptions for the duration of the visa, based on the documentation presented and purpose of the trip;

RxHammer
01-10-06, 08:30
Guys,

After my 5 year visa expired in 2005 I got stuck with two 90 day'ers in a row. On the third request I got another 5 year. I specifically ask for a 5 year each time I applied. I used TraVisa service in San Fran because there is no Brazil office where I live. The guys at TraVisa told me it is up to the person who reviews your application as to which Visa you recieve ......

Very frustrating. I'm just happy I finally ot another 5 years before having to apply again....

RxHammer

Exec Talent
01-10-06, 12:23
Having spent quite a bit of time in Brazil, particularly Rio, over the last six years, I have noticed that the women do not age very well. I also have seen pictures of mothers of women I have gotten to know and many of them are downright unattractive.

However, Columbian and Argentinean women seem to retain their looks well into their 30s and 40s. I know most of you are not interested in bedding 30 & 40 year-olds, but I was wondering if others have made these same observations.

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01-11-06, 00:32
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Sunset Strip
01-11-06, 00:41
I think you should try another consulate. Every person who continually gets screwed over with a 5 year visa has said they used HOuston. So I think there may be a problem.

I use LA now and have heard of anybody but one person getting a 90 day visa.


TJ

Rio Bob
01-13-06, 03:45
Having spent quite a bit of time in Brazil, particularly Rio, over the last six years, I have noticed that the women do not age very well. I also have seen pictures of mothers of women I have gotten to know and many of them are downright unattractive.

However, Columbian and Argentinean women seem to retain their looks well into their 30s and 40s. I know most of you are not interested in bedding 30 & 40 year-olds, but I was wondering if others have made these same observations.

I know what you mean, generally I thought that for example people my age in Brazil because of the hard life looked much older than they should have. Especially the poor or the mothers of GDP's because you would think they were poor and the life is hard therefore they age faster and harder. For the most part in Brazil I get taken for at least 10 years younger than I am.

on the other hand I have met women from match.com who were not poor, they were educated, lawyers, architects, designers and other professional types and the ones in their early 40's looked fine, they were not worn out, they were fit and attractive. So I think it has to do with the economic status, if you are middle class or above then the aging process is slower.

Lorenzo
01-13-06, 09:21
So I think it has to do with the economic status, if you are middle class or above then the aging process is slower.
You're right, but that's pretty much true everywhere, not just Brazil. When I took the favela tour a few years back, we talked with a woman running a community school who said she was 38, but she looked like Mammy Yokum--complete with the pipe.

WoodYi
01-14-06, 03:48
How big of a deal is Easter in Brazil?

Will the termas and such be closed on Good Friday and Easter?

Thanks!

J Wadd
01-15-06, 01:28
It's a big deal. I bet most of them will be closed (if not all). A good thing to do on days like this is to utilize phone numbers you've collected from the previous week.

Happy Hunting,
JWadd

Pure Power
01-19-06, 05:22
Is Late April early May a good time to be in Rio? I will most likely be there May 3rd (Wensday) - May 9th- (Tuesday)

Are there still a good selection of women in Rio during the "off season"

I'm counting the days until my plane leaves :)

Mangera
01-20-06, 20:22
I will be in Rio for the second week of April, and I am wondering if any Rio residents or frequent rio visitors can tell me if action seems to slow down during easter. I already know that April is considered low season (I have been to Rio during low season and still had a great time), and that is not a concern for me, but I am concerned about visiting during religious holidays.

I remember a few years ago, I visited Santo Domingo during that particular week, and the place was a ghost town cause everyone heads to the beaches during easter. Just want to make sure that does not happen to me again. Some info. would be much appreciated. Thanks!

Straddler
01-24-06, 04:15
If one's flight has a long, 10-hour layover in Rio, does anyone know if we still have to buy the $100 VISA?

Fee wavied if stay = < X hours?

Pure Power
01-24-06, 21:46
Just got my plane ticket to Rio today for May 10th-16th!!!!! Is $844US Total a good price from Atlanta? Should I have waited for a possible better deal? I saw this price and jumped on it immediately.

Anyways it doesn't matter because im going to the monger capitol of the world!!!

If anyone will be down there during this time please feel free to PM me and maybe we can hit some Termas up together. Counting the days till departure.

Sunset Strip
01-28-06, 17:52
I think that price is about what you should expect to pay. There may be deals but you cannot count on them. I work in the travel business and the best rate today for ATL May10-16 is on Delta at $800 taxes included.
I did not see what days of the week these days fall on because I was only checking your dates, but sometimes you get a better rate if you stay 7 days, leave Tues-Thursday, and stay over a Saturday.

Regardless you should not feel cheated. These days anything lower than $850 is good.

I would add that Atlanta is an expensive market for travel because of the Delta monoply. I am in CA and I pay around $850 to Rio, too. So the rate you are paying from ATL is good for that market. Otherwise you would have to drive to another airport that is out of Deltas range.

By the way, what airline are you on?

TJ

Lorenzo
01-28-06, 18:26
If one's flight has a long, 10-hour layover in Rio, does anyone know if we still have to buy the $100 VISA?

Fee wavied if stay = < X hours?
If you go through Brazilian immigration and customs, you will need a Brazilian visa. However, if you are just a transit passenger from somewhere outside of Brazil to somewhere else outside of Brazil, you won't need a visa. However, this means you'll have to hang around the the transit passenger area in the airport for 10 hours. Your airline should have all this information.

Lorenzo

Nortelx
01-29-06, 23:31
Rather than spend 10 hours in the RIO airport you would be money ahead to get a Brazil visa and spend some time in Centro (downtown) at a Terma.

Termas 4X4, 65 and Cancun would be MUCH better ways to spend 6 or 7 hours.

Sunset Strip
01-30-06, 00:42
Can I but these in Rio? How much are they? Can I get a deal somewhere such as centro. I used to bring my own digitals but one got stolen a few years back so I think it is not worth it when you can buy a one-time use digital now for $10-$20 in the US. I used up all of my shots already. I need one tomorrow but I notice that electronics cost more in Rio. (standard sony personal CD players were R$300 in Rio Sul Mall for example).
TJ

Rio Bob
01-30-06, 02:13
Can I but these in Rio? How much are they? Can I get a deal somewhere such as centro. I used to bring my own digitals but one got stolen a few years back so I think it is not worth it when you can buy a one-time use digital now for $10-$20 in the US. I used up all of my shots already. I need one tomorrow but I notice that electronics cost more in Rio. (standard sony personal CD players were R$300 in Rio Sul Mall for example).
TJ

Try the store Lojas das Americas, I believe there is one on Rua Maghales 2 blocks in from the beach.

Also I believe that Tudo facil the internet cafe next to blame it on Rio rents digital cameras.

Sunset Strip
01-31-06, 00:32
I stopped by the Lojas Americanas in Rio Sul today but could not find the cameras. I was rushing to get to the movies on time. I am sure, as Rio Bob seems also, that they have them because they have everything else. Also, the prices were cheaper than other shops.

Also, the cinema in Rio Sul is cheaper than the one in Copacabana. Remember the movies are generally in English. The dubbed versions will have (Dub) next to the title. The English versions will just have the title or (legit) beside it.

I actually learn a lot of Portuguese by going to the movies and reading the Portuguese subtitles. I then know how to use the words because I hear the English and see the Portuguese. Legal? (I got that from watching a Tom Cruise movie in Rio).
TJ

Rio Bob
01-31-06, 03:27
I stopped by the Lojas Americanas in Rio Sul today but could not find the cameras. I was rushing to get to the movies on time. I am sure, as Rio Bob seems also, that they have them because they have everything else. Also, the prices were cheaper than other shops.

Also, the cinema in Rio Sul is cheaper than the one in Copacabana. Remember the movies are generally in English. The dubbed versions will have (Dub) next to the title. The English versions will just have the title or (legit) beside it.

I actually learn a lot of Portuguese by going to the movies and reading the Portuguese subtitles. I then know how to use the words because I hear the English and see the Portuguese. Legal? (I got that from watching a Tom Cruise movie in Rio).
TJ


Yes that is why I suggested lojas das americas because they have everything, they are like a walmart. Also along Av n.S de Copacabana there are many electronic stores about rua santa clara they may have the camera you are looking for.

Rio Bob
01-31-06, 03:28
Brazil's Real May Weaken as Inflation Rises Less Than Expected
Jan. 30 (Bloomberg) -- Brazil's currency may weaken as the country's inflation rises less than expected, giving the central bank room to step up benchmark interest rate cuts.

Brazil's currency was unchanged at 2.2100 reais to the dollar at 6:13 a.m. New York time. The real has rallied 20 percent in the past 12 months, the best performer among 60 currencies tracked by Bloomberg News.

The country's broadest inflation index rose 0.92 percent in the 30 days through Jan. 20, less than the 1 percent median estimate in a Bloomberg survey of 17 economists. The IGP-M, an index of consumer, wholesale and construction prices measured by the Rio de Janeiro-based Getulio Vargas Foundation, fell 0.01 percent in the previous period through Dec. 20.

The dollar futures contract for February 2006, the most widely traded on the BM&F commodity and futures exchange in Sao Paulo, fell 0.2 percent to 2.2150 reais per dollar from 2.2116 reais on Jan. 27. The contract shows investors' expectations for the exchange rate at the end of January.

The yield to the 2015 call date on Brazil's benchmark 11 percent bond due in 2040 rose to 6.75 percent and the yield to maturity rose to 8.37 percent from 8.33 percent on Jan. 27, according to JPMorgan Chase & Co. The bond's price, which moves inversely to the yield, fell 0.60 cent on the dollar to 129.50. The bond's price closed at a record high of 131.35 on Jan. 9.

Rio Bob
01-31-06, 03:33
If one's flight has a long, 10-hour layover in Rio, does anyone know if we still have to buy the $100 VISA?

Fee wavied if stay = < X hours?

I once heard but I don't know first hand that even if you just have a stop over in Brazil you need a Brazilian Visa. The reason is if your flight is cancelled then you may need to leave the airport and you can't without the Visa, so it is mandatory. This is what I heard but whenever I stop in Brazil for some strange reason I always go in so I don't know for sure. You should find out for sure before it's too late because if you need it then they won't let you on the plane if you don't have it.

Sunset Strip
01-31-06, 16:41
I am not sure if this is a new scam or if it is just catching up with me, or I with it. BUT, when a girl sits down at your table at Mabs be sure you screen her carefully.

People have been complaining about their bills on this site for years but now I have come to realize that the waiters add the girl´s PREVIOUS bill to yours if she has one and you do not notice or care. Two days ago they presented a bill that had another attached to it. A girl told me that was what she had to eat BEFORE I got there. I declined to pay it.

Last night it was worse. Since the waiters know me they admitted what they were doing last night and that it "should be nothing for me to pay it."

I got really upset because the girl said that I told her I would return, which I did, but that did not mean should could order dinner for her and her friend! She told the waiter that I said I would be back but then added "He will pay!"
Many guys do not notoce the extra R$20 or so on the bill, so nothing becomes of it. But this girl was so brazen that she shouted that she com fome (was hungry) and said I could afford it. When the bill came i knew it was BS.
It is hard not to lose your temper and call these girls favela trash!

All I wanted was for her to say thank you, which she never did. So I told her that was the last R$50 she would ever see coming out of my pocket and then left with a younger girl!

TJ

Sunset Strip
02-01-06, 22:49
the miami show is a peep show located on avenida copacabana at the corner where monte carlo is located. as i have said before i have slept with various girls who work there.
today, the blond karina came back. i know that she has done pornos before. plus there is another girl who works the counter downstairs who i know i have seen in a movie.


oh, yeah, mabs is full of girls who sit around and smoke all day, then blow their bad breath in your face and wonder why you will not give them r$300!!!!

and be sure you let the waiters see you talking to the maitré'ds. that way they will be more cautious about cheating you. if possible just aviod the place, it has gone down seriously over the years.

tj

Sunset Strip
02-03-06, 00:23
I took the ferry over to Niteroi today. It cost R$4 for the roundtrip, plus another R$4 for the metro to Carioca station. Right at the bay they have a mall a movie theatre and an Outback Steakhouse. The girls at Outback are young and cute. I will be stopping there again when I return after Carnaval (I don´t like crowds, so I come to Rio in off months/periods).

TJ

Sunset Strip
02-03-06, 02:25
HSBC charged me $2.71 US for a R$400 withdrawal the other day. Plus my own bank charded me US$1. So bringing some money with you is best.

But I also remember that in the Houston Airport they were buying reals at 2.6!

So it might be best to save those last reals to sell in the US rather than change them in Brazil. I might try this tomorrow when I fly out.

And by the way I know it is reais and not reals!
TJ

Kenn
02-03-06, 12:32
Skype has announced a partnership deal with Transit Telecom to bring its SkypeIn system to Brazil. This is Skype's first partnership of this type in Latin America and the company considers Brazil one of the five biggest markets for the service. The partnership with Transit will permit users to have a local number to receive calls. Manufacturer Linksys will supply phones enabled for SkypeOut. The product will initially be available in São Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Porto Alegre, Curitiba, Belo Horizonte, Campinas, Santos, Joinville, Caxias do Sul and São José dos Campos and soon extended to Brasília and Salvador. A one-year subscription for SkypeIn costs BRL 90.


Kenn Ez-Rio...

Jaimito Cartero
02-03-06, 13:56
But I also remember that in the Houston Airport they were buying reals at 2.6!

If they give you $1 for 2.6R that's not such a good deal for you. Now if they sold 2.6R for 1 dollar that *would* be a good deal.

Member #4156
02-03-06, 15:30
I remember the last time I was in the Houston Airport, they were selling Reais at a 2:1 rate when the actual exchange rate was like 2.22 per dólar or something like that during the week before Thanksgiving.

Amerioca
02-07-06, 11:37
I took the ferry over to Niteroi today. It cost R$4 for the roundtrip, plus another R$4 for the metro to Carioca station. Right at the bay they have a mall a movie theatre and an Outback Steakhouse. The girls at Outback are young and cute. I will be stopping there again when I return after Carnaval (I don´t like crowds, so I come to Rio in off months/periods).

TJ

I lived in Icarai, Niteroi the last 6 months before leaving the country. Frequented the mall you mentioned from time to time. Very little, if any, gringos to be seen. Good non pro action.

Check out the open air market in the area. Lotsa women there too! All locals, no gringos.

Sunset Strip
02-08-06, 00:19
Thanks. That kind of confirms what I noticed. It was strange at first (in Niteroi) that people seemed to have trouble with my portuguese. But then in Copa, it is just that they are used to listening for butchered Portuguese spoken by gringos.

I liked getting away for awhile.

TJ

Orgasm Donor
02-08-06, 07:47
Guys,

After my 5 year visa expired in 2005 I got stuck with two 90 day'ers in a row. On the third request I got another 5 year. I specifically ask for a 5 year each time I applied. I used TraVisa service in San Fran because there is no Brazil office where I live. The guys at TraVisa told me it is up to the person who reviews your application as to which Visa you recieve ......

Very frustrating. I'm just happy I finally ot another 5 years before having to apply again....

RxHammer

Hammer, are you talking about the Brasilian Consulate in San Francisco?
When I went there, (3pm) I was getting nervous waiting cuz I saw all these other people get turned away simply because they did not have the paperwork in order. (a girl thought she could just "float around" Brasil staying at hostels..) others who got their paperwork accepted were told the visa would be ready NEXT WEEK! (I was flying to Costa Rica in 2 days!) Fortunately, the lady noticed I was from Seattle and asked how long I was staying in San Francisco. I told her "The only reason Im in SF is to get this VISA" she accepted my paperwork and said "Come in tomorrow" I said "Ill be here first thing in the morning" I waited most of the next day, but finally got it at about 3pm. WHEW!

BTW, if anyone is planning to "float around" Brasil, dont tell them that. It is best to have a Brasilian friends address, phone, etc. to write in there. After you got that big, beautiful stamp in your passport, you should be good for 5years.

I have a question tho, many people say they carry their passport with them, I dont. I spend too much time at the beach and surfing to do such a thing. Can this be really bad? Do expats down there carry their passports (or a copy) with them? or is that being overly cautious? Which is worse? getting your passport ripped off, or do cops really hassle you about it?
At most, I walk the city with an old expired driver license just to show SOME kind of ID.

OD

Perkele
02-08-06, 11:58
I have a question tho, many people say they carry their passport with them, I dont. I spend too much time at the beach and surfing to do such a thing. Can this be really bad? Do expats down there carry their passports (or a copy) with them? or is that being overly cautious? Which is worse? getting your passport ripped off, or do cops really hassle you about it?
At most, I walk the city with an old expired driver license just to show SOME kind of ID.

OD

Simple. By the law foreigner needs to carry a passport as and ID always. A copy is accepted in most cases, but its totally up to the police to decide. They can take you to the delegacia if they find you without one. Hardly ever happens, but is possible.
I keep a copy, occasionally.

Exec Talent
02-08-06, 13:21
I carry my US drivers license with me should something happen at least they will know who I am. I have been stopped and searched by police and did not have my passport. My greatest concern was that they would plant drugs on me. They never asked for my passport.

I have had my passport stolen and it was not difficult to have it replaced, just a hassle.

Khunjbl
02-08-06, 15:14
I am staying in Sao Paulo. I have 5 days free to take a trip.
From 2/15 until 2/20. I am considering Rio or Natal.

Rio - I love the termas and sometimes Help, but with it being so close to Carnival and the rolling stones concert I am worried that it will be to crowded and not worth it. Not to mention high prices.

Natal- seems like a very relaxed place with nice beaches. Doesn´t seem to be a lot of mongering options like Rio. only beach and disco and some escorts. I would be able to surf so that is a bonus.

Hoping for some veterans advice ... I am practically married in Sao Paulo so I want to make the best of my 5 day excursion alone.

Any Ideas ?????

DFWdude
02-08-06, 23:55
I carry my US drivers license with me should something happen at least they will know who I am. I have been stopped and searched by police and did not have my passport. My greatest concern was that they would plant drugs on me. They never asked for my passport.

I have had my passport stolen and it was not difficult to have it replaced, just a hassle.


Exec Talent,

It is a GOOD idea to carry at the very least a photo copy of your passport. Your DL is NOT recognized at ID in foreign countries. So that said if they stop you and you do not have your passport or at least a copy it could cause problems

California Guy
02-09-06, 11:03
I will be going to Rio in March and I'm a semi-pro photographer. I have worked with magazines and companies for about 5 years now but have no clue as to find hot girls down there and don't speak portuguese, although I am trying to learn as much as possible. Anyway, I know there are agencies but I can't afford, nor do I want to hire, any girls from a major agency. Plus I shoot bikini looks and not fashion like the agencies hire out. I would like to hire some regular hot ass girls I know are around Rio and maybe some of you regular Rio guys may want to help out? I am not even looking to shoot nude photos! What I would like is some shots up to Maxim style looks but the girls must be willing to sign a model release so I can submit them to magazines I work with.

Okay well first I am looking for roughly 5-7 girls and to shoot each girl for about 4 hours on the beach. By the way, are there any beaches outside of Ipanema? Obviously there is Copa but I know for sure I am not walking around with my camera on that beach, so I would like to find out if there are any semi-secluded beaches outside of these where you can take a taxi or bus? In terms of money I can only pay about 125 us per girl. Of course you can work out how you want to split the money with your girl anyway you want, maybe 75 for her 50 for you, 50 for her and 75 for you, hey I really don't care but I would think it would be cool to give the girl more just because she is the one working. I am not even sure if any girl would do this to begin with but I thought making about 15-25hr, depending on how you worked the money out, isn't bad even for the US :) and especially since I am not looking for girls to be naked. It would be easier if you are actually in Rio while I am there because I am not paying anyone until I shoot the girl, lol sorry just playing it safe. I will also be in Foraleza and Bahia if you are in these areas. I have to see photos of the girls faces and bodies as well and I will be happy to email you some example of my work so you can see im not a fool who started yesterday :)

Do you guys think this is possible what I am asking, especially the people who frequent Brazil a lot? Should I just try and find girls myself or see if any Brazilian friends have contacts, or are there sites I maybe able to find these types of girls and email them directly, even dating sites, and like I said not for sex or nude images.

Thanks and I appreciate any help or advice, I know it is kind of an odd post.

Perkele
02-09-06, 12:56
Cali.

I'd might first find out if that is even possible in Rio anymore. Actually they declared even those bikini postcards illegal there just last year. Might be so that you can't even shoot such pictures anymore. Rio's female mayor prohibited the sale of bikini postcards because it promotes sexual tourism. So I'd find out that first.

Cachorro
02-09-06, 14:54
Cali.

I'd might first find out if that is even possible in Rio anymore. Actually they declared even those bikini postcards illegal there just last year. Might be so that you can't even shoot such pictures anymore. Rio's female mayor prohibited the sale of bikini postcards because it promotes sexual tourism. So I'd find out that first.
Of course you can shoot photos.

Only the bikini and bundas postcards are prohibited. Now at newstands you see a bunch of flavourless postcards, right next to a whole load of girlie magazines like Sexy etc.

Not every girl would want to do a shoot like that, but you would find some who will. It would be important to bring business cards, portfolio etc so that they know you are the real deal. Brazilians can be suspicious of offers like that, with good reason.

If you sell it that she can keep a copy of the photos and basically get a professional looking portfolio and get paid for it, I'm sure you'll find some takers.

StudPlayer
02-09-06, 15:51
California Guy (aka dumb gringo - and Jackson this is not an attack, it is a fact),

For the type of money you are talking about, you should be having the girls naked, spread eagle and licking your ass while you are shooting photos.

Come back down to earth.

Rio is not sex prison.

Cariocas are happy to do things like this for nothing but not if you are marked as a dumb gringo.

You got the idea.

Now get the drift.

Stop contributing to price inflation.



I will be going to Rio in March and I'm a semi-pro photographer. I have worked with magazines and companies for about 5 years now but have no clue as to find hot girls down there and don't speak portuguese, although I am trying to learn as much as possible. Anyway, I know there are agencies but I can't afford, nor do I want to hire, any girls from a major agency. Plus I shoot bikini looks and not fashion like the agencies hire out. I would like to hire some regular hot ass girls I know are around Rio and maybe some of you regular Rio guys may want to help out? I am not even looking to shoot nude photos! What I would like is some shots up to Maxim style looks but the girls must be willing to sign a model release so I can submit them to magazines I work with.

Okay well first I am looking for roughly 5-7 girls and to shoot each girl for about 4 hours on the beach. By the way, are there any beaches outside of Ipanema? Obviously there is Copa but I know for sure I am not walking around with my camera on that beach, so I would like to find out if there are any semi-secluded beaches outside of these where you can take a taxi or bus? In terms of money I can only pay about 125 us per girl. Of course you can work out how you want to split the money with your girl anyway you want, maybe 75 for her 50 for you, 50 for her and 75 for you, hey I really don't care but I would think it would be cool to give the girl more just because she is the one working. I am not even sure if any girl would do this to begin with but I thought making about 15-25hr, depending on how you worked the money out, isn't bad even for the US :) and especially since I am not looking for girls to be naked. It would be easier if you are actually in Rio while I am there because I am not paying anyone until I shoot the girl, lol sorry just playing it safe. I will also be in Foraleza and Bahia if you are in these areas. I have to see photos of the girls faces and bodies as well and I will be happy to email you some example of my work so you can see im not a fool who started yesterday :)

Do you guys think this is possible what I am asking, especially the people who frequent Brazil a lot? Should I just try and find girls myself or see if any Brazilian friends have contacts, or are there sites I maybe able to find these types of girls and email them directly, even dating sites, and like I said not for sex or nude images.

Thanks and I appreciate any help or advice, I know it is kind of an odd post.

California Guy
02-10-06, 00:12
Lol are you guys serious :) man postcards are illegal!!! That is amazing and I'm glad you guys told me but I can't imagine the actual shooting of girls in bikinis is illegal, just the use for postcards? How would I check this out?

For Stud, your message shows your intelligence :) "Stop contributing to price inflation" how does paying some girls to shoot photos have anything to do with the p4p industry? Wow you should go back and finish high school before you respond, or at least try and read the message 5-10 times so you can understand it!

Anyway, thanks to everyone out there who isn't ignorant!

Ezinho
02-10-06, 00:31
For Stud, your message shows your intelligence :) "Stop contributing to price inflation" how does paying some girls to shoot photos have anything to do with the p4p industry? Wow you should go back and finish high school before you respond, or at least try and read the message 5-10 times so you can understand it!

I'm not going to answer for Stud, but I think he responded that way because he assumed (like I did) that you wanted to hire hookers for the photo shoots, since this is (mostly) a website about paying for sex. After re-reading your post, you didn't actually mention GdP's anywhere in your message. If that is the case, IMHO since you don't speak very much Portuguese and don't seem to know Rio de Janeiro very well (You asked if there are there any beaches outside of Ipanema, so I actually have to assume you're never been to Rio if you ask a question like that) you might be better off doing your photo shoot in another country. Since you only want to take non-nude photos, it shouldn't be a problem in many other countries in South America; there are beautiful women all over this continent. But if you still do plan to go, I suggest Praia do Recreio, and Jacarepegua, which are about 30-45 min or so from Zona Sul if I remember correctly. Both have beautiful beaches, away from the mess that is Copacabana.

Exec Talent
02-10-06, 02:05
Sincerely see no problem with what he is asking. So some girls make a few bucks and he gets some nice photos. What is the big deal? Anyway, as I mentioned in my PM, contact me and I am sure I can point you in the right direction -- for free.

And while I am at it, some of you with a myopic view of the economy and a hard-on for George Bush, just don't get it. A weaker dollar makes our goods and services less expensive outside the country which helps the balance of trade. For some of us that means we have more money to spend in places like Brazil. Further, the "unfavorable" exchange rate keeps some of the low-end mongers in the US, which makes the girls happy. Happier girls, means they are more likely to charge less to the nice guys who are here. See how it all works out.

Exec Talent
02-10-06, 04:59
economic reality is not bigotry. truth is business is down in rio for two reasons – the exchange rate and an influx of low class, bargain hunting americans. when i first came to rio, going to a termas was like going to a country club. you felt you were with peers. white, black, brown, who cares. i have no interest in “hanging out” with low class americans in the us, why would i want to here. you don’t need to read anything into what i am writing, because low class to me includes white rednecks as well as the faux rappers. fact is many people of class, if they are coming to brazil, are going to other cities not in search of lower prices, but to get away from your low-class ass.

do you really think the girls want to spend the night with you in the roach infested $30 a night one-bedroom apartment you are sharing with two other guys? look in the mirror. you are the reason the girls are charging r$400 at help. i used to think it was the italians, but after talking with a lot of the girls, fact is, they just don’t want to be with you. same with the termas. a lot of the better girls are going to europe, not just for the money, but because they don’t like the low-class americans who have “found” rio.

bigotry, no, economic (maybe socio-economic) reality, yes.

Double
02-10-06, 06:40
I am impressed by the ability of many of the members of the board to get the big picture. Statements like the following give me hope that the world is becoming more educated, and that people are becoming more complex.

"Truth is business is down in Rio for two reasons – the exchange rate and an influx of low class, bargain hunting Americans".

That sums it all up, all of Rio is experiencing a down turn in business because of - "the exchange rate and an influx of low class, bargain hunting Americans",.

I will just take your word for it. I could not even begin to imagine any other reasons why business is slow. I would not even begin to suggest that there are bargain seekers coming from other places in the world. We probably should not discuss market forces that impact the value of a woman selling sex. Not all ladies that ask for 300r are worth it. I am speaking of the product the she is marketing. She may lack looks, style, education, a pleasant mannerism, she may be up in age, and any number of reasons could be factored in to how much a woman is worth in the business. I bet that the owners of the termas were also concerned about the wants of the low end monger when they raised the price of the services in the termas. I wonder if any of the girls went to the management and requested a piece of the rate increase. I will also look for a disclaimer on the escort web sites that stipulates that they have held prices at 150r to 200r for two or so hours because the persons that run the services have notice and increase in low class mongers in Rio.

It does not matter how you dress it up, bigotry leads one to believe that they can see a mans worth or lack there of. The good ol "them" syndrome. They must be low net worth people lookin the way they do an all. Hey, not all of us can be millionaires.

Come on! let’s get back to the ladies. Nobody on the board is atop the heap. I would bet that we all want and need more. More bunda, more money, more photos, more time in a day, more trips to Rio, more….but no more race baiting. Just in case I misunderstood, if it was just economics an all, I apologize for thinking that the post had a racist subtext.

Them was my last words on the matter, a special ed teacher does not expect her students to understand complicated matters.

DD

Exec Talent
02-10-06, 15:26
The following Yahoo group contains some useful information. You will have to join the group, which is painless. Check out the links and files.

http://*************************riodejaneiroadulttravel/


Thanks to ruchhcur who seems to be the creator of the group.

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Sunset Strip
02-10-06, 23:07
I plan on going to Rio from March 15-some time in April. How is Rio after Carnaval?
Do many girls go home after the festa?



TJ

Papa Wahala
02-11-06, 21:57
Greetings gentlemen, and I use that term quite loosely considering that this is a forum for guys who are looking to get laid by women we don't really or know or care about.

I know why I joined this forum and there is no shame in my game.

That said, this temporizing on racial issues is a distraction from the common thread that unites us; our interest in finding nice Brazilian p***y. I frankly could care less what anyone of you have to say on racial issues (black white, foreigner, etc). I don't recall this being the "Brotherly Love" forum.

Having to read this bantering is like having the maid bang on my hotel door shouting "maid service" while I am in the throes of hitting some sweet ass.

An annoying and avoidable distraction.

By joining this forum gents, we left the moral high ground and have no place to be too sanctimonious on any subject, particular the combustible topic of race. The fact that we have a hobby of sleeping with a variety of women for free or for pay will not contribute to world peace, the Nobel Peace price or the merit badge for good deeds.

Lets drop the hypocrisy and g re-unite under the banner of finding the best Brazilian p***y we can. On that I think we all can agree.

PapaWahala

Rio Bob
02-11-06, 22:18
I plan on going to Rio from March 15-some time in April. How is Rio after Carnaval?
Do many girls go home after the festa?TJ


For the past couple of years I have been going after Carnavale, last year I returned on April 1'st. I had a great time, Rio was busy, Im sure not as busy as several weeks before Carnavale. This year I am going late April and I expect to have a great time. Sure many of the girls who just came in for Carnavale are gone but there are always plenty around.

Mangera
02-11-06, 22:35
I will be going to Rio again in April. At first I was also a bit concerned about going after the festivities, but hell, if you think about it, how bad can it be? It can't be any worse than where you are now. I actually enjoy the more peaceful and less crowded times. I have been to Rio in June, November, and Dec. Its all good.

Don't sweat it, make your plans and take your ride to RIO, all is good in paradise.

Enjoy!

Sunset Strip
02-11-06, 22:39
Thanks, Bob.

On another note, I just got a price qoute on my favorite apartment in Rio. The renter said the price has gone up to US$50 because the dollar is weak. But what does that mean? Does this mean I do not have to tip people in Rio now because the real is strong??!!! (No, of course).

I remember when it was 4 to 1, three years ago, and these same guys were renting for $40 a night saying that is less than in the US (true), so it is a good deal.

The reality is that many Brazilians are only trying to hustle us for our money, which is not right.
When the dollar is strong these same guys will charge you R$60 from the airport, and expecting a big tip because the dollar is strong. Then when the dollar is weak and they know you are not going to be throwing around money, they raise their rates on apartments!
When the dollar rebounds I am going to explicitly ask to pay US$40 or less for the same apartment based on this BS logic the Brazilians are using!

In the end there is little loyalty or responsibility from the Brazilian side.
This is similar to the girls who get R$150 from you then ask for R$20 for a taxi! I tell them to take the damn bus and give them R$2!!!!!! And why do I have to give them that considering they have 150 of their own money?

TJ

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02-12-06, 02:48
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Amerioca
02-12-06, 10:19
Thanks, Bob.

On another note, I just got a price qoute on my favorite apartment in Rio. The renter said the price has gone up to US$50 because the dollar is weak. But what does that mean? Does this mean I do not have to tip people in Rio now because the real is strong??!!! (No, of course).

I remember when it was 4 to 1, three years ago, and these same guys were renting for $40 a night saying that is less than in the US (true), so it is a good deal.

The reality is that many Brazilians are only trying to hustle us for our money, which is not right.
When the dollar is strong these same guys will charge you R$60 from the airport, and expecting a big tip because the dollar is strong. Then when the dollar is weak and they know you are not going to be throwing around money, they raise their rates on apartments!
When the dollar rebounds I am going to explicitly ask to pay US$40 or less for the same apartment based on this BS logic the Brazilians are using!

In the end there is little loyalty or responsibility from the Brazilian side.
This is similar to the girls who get R$150 from you then ask for R$20 for a taxi! I tell them to take the damn bus and give them R$2!!!!!! And why do I have to give them that considering they have 150 of their own money?

TJ

Well, living there two years, I learned that money and violence are the only two things they respect. Being big hearted, as we are, persons will take advantage of our kindness. Have seen lotsa broken hearts and disappointments.

I too have heard the prices have increased dramatically...all around. Veteran monger buddy just got back a few days ago. He stated $400R to $500R for good looking HELP garotas....and, they were swooped up quickly by gringos. Also, the zona sul Ts were slow, 65 and 4x4 in centro were busy...so, he stated.

Rio Bob
02-12-06, 15:44
I too have heard the prices have increased dramatically...all around. Veteran monger buddy just got back a few days ago. He stated $400R to $500R for good looking HELP garotas....and, they were swooped up quickly by gringos. Also, the zona sul Ts were slow, 65 and 4x4 in centro were busy...so, he stated.

Well this is 2 weeks before Carnivale and the height of the season so demand is at it's highest. It's nice going to Rio this time of year because of the party atmosphere and the influx of working girls from all over Brasil to work the Carnivale/high season summer crowd but you have to compete with the masses.

When I was there in December which is not the height of the season many of the nice girls in Help were quoting 400 - 450, I always negotiated less depending on their looks spent from 150 - 300 but It may not have been that easy during the high season to get a good one for that price because many tourists are there who are willing to pay 400 or 500 for one of these chicas and lets face it these girls are there to make money.

After Carnivale things will calm down, many girls will go back to their homes in all of Brasil and all the deep pocket tourists will go home and when I return to Rio in several months there will still be girls in Help asking for 400 to 500 reais but there will be many less tourists to pay it so they will be forced to take less.

Cachorro
02-12-06, 17:20
Just left Rio.

The strong real is really biting hard. With that in mind, I was more focused this time on getting value for money.

Help is maybe still decent value compared to the termas. In Help you could get 2 hours for R$200 (plus R$22 for entry into Help). At a termas that would buy you only 1 hour or less.

BUT, Help is hard work. You have to deal with a lot of vulgar chicks with hardcore attitudes. And you stand a real chance of being ripped off, having problems, or just getting really poor service for your money.

Thankfully, the rip off chicks will usually show their true colours almost immediately. Of course, you need to speak Portuguese and look out for the warning signs.

That said, I only pulled one girl out of Help this time and she was the best mongering experience of the trip. A babe from Bahia, looks a bit like Natalie Imbruglia. Gorgeous, good sex and nice to be with.

This trip I also used
- Escort services (2 hours for R$100. Girls have less of a bad attitude than Help girls).
- Centro massage places (1 hour for R$80). GPGuia has a couple of recommended places.

Was not interested in Vila Mimosa and the R$30 Centro joints. Way below my minimum standards.

Ibiza007
02-12-06, 20:07
California guy,

Please remember to bring razors and shaving cream. I say this because if you are not aware of this, Brazilian girls for the most part do not shave their legs, they bleach the shit out of the hair, but they do not shave the lower leg, Am I correct readers?

I have nothing against this habit and I hardly ever notice it.

And I say this with a smile, as one of the cutest girls to ever grace 4x4, is a beautiful blond, named Gleice, she is fantastic, but she has more hair on her legs than my golden retreiver, but a lovely retreiver she is. And I am not at the terma to discuss her legs. And of course her bush is perfectly clipped.

As a photographer, this is just something that you are probably not used to dealing with.

Also, Yes there are stunning girls in Rio, but you will not find them at Help, or the beach, where you will find them is during lunch hour in the center, go there at 12:00 2:00, during lunch, and just walk around the small cafes around Rio Branco, near Cinelandia metro, absolutely stunning.

What you will find at help and the beach are PARTS of girls that are stunning, one will have the legs, one the lips and one the eyes, but to find the whole package is rare, just like anywhere in the world. The absolutely most beautiful girls, for photography, In my opinion, are in St Petersburg, Russia, hands down the best looking women, period. Spend one day on the Metro in St, Petersburg or Moscow and you will have a weak neck. The girls have no tan, but their faces and eyes put Brazil in 2nd place by a mile. Brazilian girls are more fun, have better attitudes, like sex more and are more friendly, but for stunners, Russia is the best. I have been to over 30 countries and I believe this to be true. Anybody that knows Russia, feel free to comment either way, but if you have never been to Russia, you can not comment with knowledge about this subject.

Brazilian girls are hands down , the best for sex, no contest.

I also think your time will be next best spent searching termas, or using recomendations of members, who know girls from Termas that might be what you are looking for. At the terma, you can see the goods, at help, you are wasting your time, you will USUALLY be unpleasently surprised about her tits or stretch marks, etc, Not always , but usually. They have a new invention called the push up bra that I think was invented for Help, I have had more than my share of breasts be severly deflated upon the release of the push up bra.

One girl that fits your needs is Paula from 4x4, tall skinny, and a model now, she has a small tatoo on her breast, I think it is the sun or something, about 2" in diameter, her stage name is camila at 4x4, was Paula at Centaurus.

Good luck on your search.


I will be going to Rio in March and I'm a semi-pro photographer. I have worked with magazines and companies for about 5 years now but have no clue as to find hot girls down there and don't speak portuguese, although I am trying to learn as much as possible. Anyway, I know there are agencies but I can't afford, nor do I want to hire, any girls from a major agency. Plus I shoot bikini looks and not fashion like the agencies hire out. I would like to hire some regular hot ass girls I know are around Rio and maybe some of you regular Rio guys may want to help out? I am not even looking to shoot nude photos! What I would like is some shots up to Maxim style looks but the girls must be willing to sign a model release so I can submit them to magazines I work with.

Okay well first I am looking for roughly 5-7 girls and to shoot each girl for about 4 hours on the beach. By the way, are there any beaches outside of Ipanema? Obviously there is Copa but I know for sure I am not walking around with my camera on that beach, so I would like to find out if there are any semi-secluded beaches outside of these where you can take a taxi or bus? In terms of money I can only pay about 125 us per girl. Of course you can work out how you want to split the money with your girl anyway you want, maybe 75 for her 50 for you, 50 for her and 75 for you, hey I really don't care but I would think it would be cool to give the girl more just because she is the one working. I am not even sure if any girl would do this to begin with but I thought making about 15-25hr, depending on how you worked the money out, isn't bad even for the US :) and especially since I am not looking for girls to be naked. It would be easier if you are actually in Rio while I am there because I am not paying anyone until I shoot the girl, lol sorry just playing it safe. I will also be in Foraleza and Bahia if you are in these areas. I have to see photos of the girls faces and bodies as well and I will be happy to email you some example of my work so you can see im not a fool who started yesterday :)

Do you guys think this is possible what I am asking, especially the people who frequent Brazil a lot? Should I just try and find girls myself or see if any Brazilian friends have contacts, or are there sites I maybe able to find these types of girls and email them directly, even dating sites, and like I said not for sex or nude images.

Thanks and I appreciate any help or advice, I know it is kind of an odd post.

Sunset Strip
02-12-06, 21:12
"Brazilian girls for the most part do not shave their legs, they bleach the shit out of the hair, but they do not shave the lower leg."

So that explains why the black girls have blond leg hair. I just thought it was some wierd genetic thing.

But, can somebody explain why they bleach their leg hair, and why they shave everything but the lower part.


TJ

Cunnilinguist
02-13-06, 00:55
What you will find at help and the beach are PARTS of girls that are stunning, one will have the legs, one the lips and one the eyes, but to find the whole package is rare, just like anywhere in the world. The absolutely most beautiful girls, for photography, In my opinion, are in St Petersburg, Russia, hands down the best looking women, period. Spend one day on the Metro in St, Petersburg or Moscow and you will have a weak neck. The girls have no tan, but their faces and eyes put Brazil in 2nd place by a mile. Brazilian girls are more fun, have better attitudes, like sex more and are more friendly, but for stunners, Russia is the best. I have been to over 30 countries and I believe this to be true. Anybody that knows Russia, feel free to comment either way, but if you have never been to Russia, you can not comment with knowledge about this subject.ibiza007,

I respectfully have to 100% disagree with your above statement. There are universal standards of beauty (facial & physical) that apply to all races and most nationalities. To state that:

“The absolutely most beautiful girls, for photography, In my opinion, are in St Petersburg, Russia, hands down the best looking women, period.”

Is:

1. Ignorant, ( universal beauty does not just exist nor is it at the highest levels in Russia, Once again; universal beauty exists in ALL races.)

2. Arrogant, ( Russian women do not have a monopoly on universal (absolute) beauty.)

3. Not supported in the real world. (Russian women do not dominate the world’s fashion magazines nor do they dominate any runway, nor other photographic avenues in the global beauty & modeling industries.)


“The (Russian) girls have no tan, but their faces and eyes put Brazil in 2nd place by a mile.”

Funny, ibiza007 but isn’t one of the top print, photo, and runway models today Adriana Lima (a Brazilian)? Victoria Secrets also seem to be in disagreement with your statement, as 3...YES...three of their 5 current (2006) models are from surprise...surprise...Brazil (Gisele Bundchen, Adriana Lima, and Alessandra Ambrosio); Tyra Banks (African American, Ahhh...a sista ) and Heidi Klum (German) uhhh...No Russians. Oh and btw. NONE of their models have come from Russia.

The SPORTS ILLUSTRATED magazine SWIMSUIT ISSUE has featured only 1... YES...one Russian woman from Moscow and that was on the 2004 cover featuring Anna Kournikova (and a fine stunner she is...). But again, plenty of Brazilian women though.

Askmen. Com publishes a "Top 99 Women" ranking of beautiful women every year and in 2006 (Though very limited in scope IMHO) does not have a single Russian women in the top 30 of the ranking (That’s as far down as I decided to look.). Adriana Lima (Brazilian) was ranked #4 on the list, last year 2005; she was ranked #1. There are also (again) other fine Brazilian beauties on the list.


"For stunners, Russia is the best. I have been to over 30 countries and I believe this to be true. Anybody that knows Russia, feel free to comment either way. "

Well I guess the rest of the world and I just don’t share your belief in Russian women, other wise they’d be everywhere but the FACT of the matter is that they ARE NOT. I have not been to thirty countries only 5 (But I live in NYC so if I ever wanted some Russian booty, I can always go to Brighton Beach or if I’m feeling lazy, just call and order "in"). The Beauty Industry HAS however, traveled to more than 30 countries and they don’t seem to concur.


"If you have never been to Russia, you can not comment with knowledge about this subject. "

Nicolaus Copernicus, Galileo Galilei, and Sir Isaac Newton all contributed into the creating of the laws of motion and universal gravitation (which was created by Newton, but was partly based and built on the works of the aforementioned scientist.). It was written 300+ years before it was definitively proven by the Nasa space program of the 1960’s and 70’s. (And NASA based the space program on those laws.)

One does not have to experience "something" in order to be able to speak (or comment) on it, provided that adequate quality research is done on the subject in question.

If your subject was just on Russian beauty and nothing else then experience in the country may help (but its not absolute), but you were making comparisons on Russian beauty vs. Brazilian beauty (and the rest of the world for that matter.). Therefore beauty, and/or the presence of it; is a subject that many of us, if not all men have experienced.


I’m writing these comments because some members on this board from time to time write superiority statements (many subtle..., some blatant..., as in the one above.) on beauty and race, which is inappropriate in this, and any other forum. I’m African American (Shoutout to all my bothas’ in the USA!!! ) and I love Black women and our latin cousins, they have always been (and will be) my preference. But. I would be ignorant and arrogant to say that: "White women are not attractive. " and "Black women are the most beautiful women in the world".

As stated above: BEAUTY is a UNIVERSAL trait, it neither is exclusive nor dominated by any one race, group, nor nation. This is something, we should all be smart enough to see and have the intelligence to acknowledge, respect, and understand.



The CunningLinguist

Ee2002
02-13-06, 04:06
Bud96, Last I checked this site was for mongers interested in FEMALE hookers.Your in the wrong place for info on that stuff.I'm not gonna beat on you about your preference, cause to each his own.

You might wanna check Atlantico along the beach, there are plenty of them out there,which is one of the reasons I stay away from street girls.You never know what kind of hardware they are packing or used to pack,LOL. Anyways lets get back to talking about real Brazilian women with those nice shaved, tanned and clean pussys.

RxHammer
02-13-06, 10:44
Guys,

You sure about the "hair bleaching" thing ??? (lol)....I've been going to Rio several times a year for 6 years running and I know a ton of girls, pro & non-pro, and have never witnessed such behavior. Never heard them discuss it amongst themselves etc....
I agree that they do not shave but I think that sun exposure has alot to do with the "bleaching" effect you are seeing. Hell, even my hair turns blonde when exposed to the sun in the summer (lol).

I will investigate in depth when I return in March !!!!

Hammer

Exec Talent
02-13-06, 12:07
They apply a peroxide based paste to their leg hair and body hair, sometimes even on the beach. The stuff is pretty strong. I know because I made the mistake of getting some on my hands.

Ibiza007
02-14-06, 00:29
I believe you missed three important words in my writing " In my opinion". I believe when someone states that comments are "their opinion" they are not ignorantly or arrogantly forcing their opinion on you or anyone else.

I never said, nor implied, I was the worlds authourity on beauty, I only made an opinion, that I am more than capable of making, in comparing an average Brazilian women to an average Russian women. Real women that you see on the street everyday in Rio, not in magazines with photoshop.

I live in Copacabana 24/7, for many months now, and I see about 1000-2000 average female Carioca's everyday, between Copacabana Ave and working in the center, and I assure you, the average Brazilian," not the models you talk about" is about 5'5"-5'6" with 4" heels, Brazilian women as a whole, are short, sorry if you do not agree with that, but it is true. Where as Russian women are on average much taller. I am not bashing Brazilians or defending Russians, it was only MY OPINION. And I am more than a little ticked off you take such offense to MY OPINION, never did I state, that MY OPINION was final and binding on you or any other reader. If you claimed girls from Spain or the Netherlands were the best looking in your opinion, who would I be to disagree your opinion? I would not do it.

Feel free to bash me all you want, after you go to Russia, and see for yourself. If that is not possible, then keep believing that the average 5'6" Brazilian is the hottest female species on the planet, excluding the freakish 5'10" Brazilian, who is on par with any model in the world. I PERSONALLY do not think Gesile ( spelling), the number one model in Brazil, is all that hot, and she looks more European , than Brazilian. Your average Victoria Secret Model is about as average as double eagle in golf ( about 40,000 to one), so throw out the miracles of nature and look at the everyday Carioca. That was my point.

You should also note next time you are in Brazil, look at the magazine stands, and look at the models on the covers of the magazines. You will notice something. Not one cover girl is black. Please just observe this when you look at the covers. I personally feel this a racist attitude in Brazil, where a large part of the population is black. I say this out loud, I believe the publishers of the magazines, or whoever picks the cover girls are discriminating. Brazilian black women are as beautiful as any in Brazil. Very sexy looking.

The Brazilian models are very hot and beautiful, as you say. But how many girls that are 5'9" or more, without heels, have you ever seen in the streets or shopping centers in Rio ( I think Sao Paulo is probably better)? Very few. If you want to challenge that statement, feel free to do so. And considering your average model is 5'9" or better, it eliminates 99.9 % of the Brazilian women from the first leg of the modeling world.

My comment had nothing to do with race or color, which you brought up, not me.

You make a statement that "you and the rest of the world disagree with me", a little bold of you to say you speak for the rest of the world, isn't it? Maybe the rest of the world does not share your opinion, nor mine.

So I continue to be ignorant and arrogant, with my own opinion... And I think Dutch women are in a close second, for your average on the street good looks, and being over 5'9" without heels.

In the mean time I will continue to enjoy the very lovely and short Brazilian women , every chance I get, which is about 4 times a week for 6 months. I do have some knowledge of Brazilian women, and I will continue to go to the beach about four days a week and admire the sights and sounds.

Believe me, I am not complaining, just enjoying life here in Brazil.

Just curious as to why you felt it was important to say you were black? What did that have to do with anything I said or wrote? You could defend your fondness for latin and black women without such a statement.

Where do you think you are coming from in claiming my writing was a "blatant superiority" statement about race and beauty? You were looking for something that was not there to find. I am sorry if you were offended, but my original comments never mentioned what you speak of in your reply.

So feel free to bash away....while I continue to test my personal hypothesis about Brazilians and Russians.

Ibiza






ibiza007,

I respectfully have to 100% disagree with your above statement. There are universal standards of beauty (facial & physical) that apply to all races and most nationalities. To state that:

“The absolutely most beautiful girls, for photography, In my opinion, are in St Petersburg, Russia, hands down the best looking women, period.”

Is:

1. Ignorant, ( universal beauty does not just exist nor is it at the highest levels in Russia, Once again; universal beauty exists in ALL races.)

2. Arrogant, ( Russian women do not have a monopoly on universal (absolute) beauty.)

3. Not supported in the real world. (Russian women do not dominate the world’s fashion magazines nor do they dominate any runway, nor other photographic avenues in the global beauty & modeling industries.)


“The (Russian) girls have no tan, but their faces and eyes put Brazil in 2nd place by a mile.”

Funny, ibiza007 but isn’t one of the top print, photo, and runway models today Adriana Lima (a Brazilian)? Victoria Secrets also seem to be in disagreement with your statement, as 3...YES...three of their 5 current (2006) models are from surprise...surprise...Brazil (Gisele Bundchen, Adriana Lima, and Alessandra Ambrosio); Tyra Banks (African American, Ahhh...a sista ) and Heidi Klum (German) uhhh...No Russians. Oh and btw. NONE of their models have come from Russia.

The SPORTS ILLUSTRATED magazine SWIMSUIT ISSUE has featured only 1... YES...one Russian woman from Moscow and that was on the 2004 cover featuring Anna Kournikova (and a fine stunner she is...). But again, plenty of Brazilian women though.

Askmen. Com publishes a "Top 99 Women" ranking of beautiful women every year and in 2006 (Though very limited in scope IMHO) does not have a single Russian women in the top 30 of the ranking (That’s as far down as I decided to look.). Adriana Lima (Brazilian) was ranked #4 on the list, last year 2005; she was ranked #1. There are also (again) other fine Brazilian beauties on the list.


"For stunners, Russia is the best. I have been to over 30 countries and I believe this to be true. Anybody that knows Russia, feel free to comment either way. "

Well I guess the rest of the world and I just don’t share your belief in Russian women, other wise they’d be everywhere but the FACT of the matter is that they ARE NOT. I have not been to thirty countries only 5 (But I live in NYC so if I ever wanted some Russian booty, I can always go to Brighton Beach or if I’m feeling lazy, just call and order "in"). The Beauty Industry HAS however, traveled to more than 30 countries and they don’t seem to concur.


"If you have never been to Russia, you can not comment with knowledge about this subject. "

Nicolaus Copernicus, Galileo Galilei, and Sir Isaac Newton all contributed into the creating of the laws of motion and universal gravitation (which was created by Newton, but was partly based and built on the works of the aforementioned scientist.). It was written 300+ years before it was definitively proven by the Nasa space program of the 1960’s and 70’s. (And NASA based the space program on those laws.)

One does not have to experience "something" in order to be able to speak (or comment) on it, provided that adequate quality research is done on the subject in question.

If your subject was just on Russian beauty and nothing else then experience in the country may help (but its not absolute), but you were making comparisons on Russian beauty vs. Brazilian beauty (and the rest of the world for that matter.). Therefore beauty, and/or the presence of it; is a subject that many of us, if not all men have experienced.


I’m writing these comments because some members on this board from time to time write superiority statements (many subtle..., some blatant..., as in the one above.) on beauty and race, which is inappropriate in this, and any other forum. I’m African American (Shoutout to all my bothas’ in the USA!!! ) and I love Black women and our latin cousins, they have always been (and will be) my preference. But. I would be ignorant and arrogant to say that: "White women are not attractive. " and "Black women are the most beautiful women in the world".

As stated above: BEAUTY is a UNIVERSAL trait, it neither is exclusive nor dominated by any one race, group, nor nation. This is something, we should all be smart enough to see and have the intelligence to acknowledge, respect, and understand.



The CunningLinguist

Lorenzo
02-14-06, 03:29
Ibiza007 and Cunlinguist,

Well, I have been to 51 countries, apparently 16 more than Ibiza, and I think Brazilian women are the world's sexiest. As far as most beautiful, that depends of what physical type you like. Personally, I favor nut brown complexioned Latinas, so I think Brazilian women are tied with those of other Latin countries. But none compare to brasileiras in personality and enthusiasm. But isn't that the beauty of Brazil, that all physical types are available, from Scandinavian looking blue eyed blondes to morenas to coal black women of African descent, and even to Asians. Brazil is one place where "seek and ye shall find" can be taken literally.

Lorenzo

Wanderer1000
02-14-06, 05:08
Hi ibiza007 -

I really enjoyed your last few posts. I happen to agree with your analysis in general. I've spent the last five years or so travelling between E. Europe and Latin America. I think Slavic women in general, and the Russian women of St. Petersburg in particular, have the best genetic pool for beauty in the world. I also agree with your assessment that the best opportunity for finding women that are great for sex is in Brazil. Brazillian women are the ones that stick in my mind after many years, and it's because of the great experiences they provided (one was half German from Florianopolis, another a mulatto from Bahia, and the third a dark black lady from Rio).

Unfortunately, I've noticed that the Brazil board has occasional "racial flare-ups" - raw nerves that are just waiting to go off - often over nothing - like Cunlinguist's attack on you. Rastaman has defined one end of the spectrum for many years.

I didn't find anything racist or antagonistic in your posts. For girl-watching, I'll take St. Petersburg any day. For warm, fun, great sex women - I'll go to Brazil. Nothing racist about it - just my opinion.

Ibiza007
02-14-06, 05:45
Lorenzo,

I agree with you, if you read my post I only said I thought Russians would photgraph better, and it was my opinion, not a fact.

Brazilians are sexier, wilder, sweeter, funnier and probably more enthusiastic than Russians. I would like to line ten of each up side by side and compare. I said all of that before and I was accussed of being a racist.

Nowhere did I say anything but positive statements about Brazilian women, who are fantastic in everyway. All colors of Brazilians.

That is a bunch of crap from someone that has never been to Brasil or Russia. How the fuck does he know how to compare my two analogies, or to say I am wrong? Who writes a post on VM when they have never been there?

He can like black, white, yellow or red for that matter, I really do not care what he likes.

Cunlinguist - Your "shout out" comment is totally racist. If I replaced your "black" comments with "White" and posted that comment, I would be flamed of the board.

Ibiza




Ibiza007 and Cunlinguist,

Well, I have been to 51 countries, apparently 16 more than Ibiza, and I think Brazilian women are the world's sexiest. As far as most beautiful, that depends of what physical type you like. Personally, I favor nut brown complexioned Latinas, so I think Brazilian women are tied with those of other Latin countries. But none compare to brasileiras in personality and enthusiasm. But isn't that the beauty of Brazil, that all physical types are available, from Scandinavian looking blue eyed blondes to morenas to coal black women of African descent, and even to Asians. Brazil is one place where "seek and ye shall find" can be taken literally.

Lorenzo

Amerioca
02-14-06, 06:53
Well this is 2 weeks before Carnivale and the height of the season so demand is at it's highest. It's nice going to Rio this time of year because of the party atmosphere and the influx of working girls from all over Brasil to work the Carnivale/high season summer crowd but you have to compete with the masses.

When I was there in December which is not the height of the season many of the nice girls in Help were quoting 400 - 450, I always negotiated less depending on their looks spent from 150 - 300 but It may not have been that easy during the high season to get a good one for that price because many tourists are there who are willing to pay 400 or 500 for one of these chicas and lets face it these girls are there to make money.

After Carnivale things will calm down, many girls will go back to their homes in all of Brasil and all the deep pocket tourists will go home and when I return to Rio in several months there will still be girls in Help asking for 400 to 500 reais but there will be many less tourists to pay it so they will be forced to take less.

Hi Bob - That's right, I totally forgot about Carnaval.

Kenn
02-14-06, 13:57
Thursday. Feb. 9th... GDP news, Hooker swan dives out of her window at 4AM and lands on the sidewalk in front of Frank’s Bar... DOI, (Dead on Impact)..

Cunnilinguist
02-14-06, 20:48
I believe you missed three important words in my writing " In my opinion". I believe when someone states that comments are "their opinion" they are not ignorantly or arrogantly forcing their opinion on you or anyone else.

I never said, nor implied, I was the worlds authourity on beauty, I only made an opinion, that I am more than capable of making, in comparing an average Brazilian women to an average Russian women. Real women that you see on the street everyday in Rio, not in magazines with photoshop.
No...Ibiza I did see that you interjected your statement with " In my opinion". However, that doesn’t mean that your statement can’t be challenged nor does it absolve you from making it.

I know you’re not the authority on beauty, because such an authority would not have made such statements. Anyone can and should be allowed to make statements, comments, and opinions on a public forum but, that opens their comments to opposing views.

From your original statement:

"The absolutely most beautiful girls, for photography, In my opinion, are in St Petersburg, Russia, hands down the best looking women, period. "

I don’t see the word "average" anywhere in that statement (or anywhere else in your statements, for that matter). When words like "absolutely", "hands down", and "period" are used in a superlative manner, they change the context, from an "opinion" (a personal view) to that of a conclusion of fact. Which I (as anyone else who sees fit) have every right to challenge as you have the right to make (but evidently because you inserted IMO, don’t want to stand by it).



I live in Copacabana 24/7, for many months now, and I see about 1000-2000 average female Carioca's everyday, between Copacabana Ave and working in the center, and I assure you, the average Brazilian, " not the models you talk about" is about 5'5"-5'6" with 4" heels, Brazilian women as a whole, are short, sorry if you do not agree with that, but it is true. Where as Russian women are on average much taller. I am not bashing Brazilians or defending Russians, it was only MY OPINION. And I am more than a little ticked off you take such offense to MY OPINION, never did I state, that MY OPINION was final and binding on you or any other reader. If you claimed girls from Spain or the Netherlands were the best looking in your opinion, who would I be to disagree your opinion? I would not do it. From you original statement:

"What you will find at help and the beach are PARTS of girls that are stunning, one will have the legs, one the lips and one the eyes, but to find the whole package is rare"

I don’t see the issue of height anywhere in this or any other parts of your original statement. My statements where on the issue of beauty and photography, models where just the example, not the basis of my points. Average Brazilian women are shorter than average Russian women, that I agree with; but the average Russian woman is not tall (5’7 or taller). But what does height have anything to do with beauty in the context of photography? Where did I in my writings say anything about you bashing Brazilians?

In reference to Russian women you stated: "but their faces and eyes put Brazil in 2nd place by a mile. "

I didn’t consider this bashing or any other of your statements to be offensive. I did however choose to challenge it. There is no need for you ibaza007 to be ticked off (Personally I’m surprised, as you are an intelligent writer and I have agreed with many of your postings, but without sounding too disrespectful... "I don’t give a damn" if you are!!! Don’t be ticked off...Defend it...) I did not attack you personally, but I sure did do my best "In My Humble Opinion" to discredit your statement.



Feel free to bash me all you want, after you go to Russia, and see for yourself. If that is not possible, then keep believing that the average 5'6" Brazilian is the hottest female species on the planet, excluding the freakish 5'10" Brazilian, who is on par with any model in the world. I PERSONALLY do not think Gesile (spelling), the number one model in Brazil, is all that hot, and she looks more European, than Brazilian. Your average Victoria Secret Model is about as average as double eagle in golf (about 40, 000 to one), so throw out the miracles of nature and look at the everyday Carioca. That was my point. .
Ibiza I am not bashing you, nor have I written any hostilities towards you; this for me is a spirited debate (which is a basic element of any forum). If the women of Victoria Secret were average they wouldn’t be models, would they???

You stated: "she looks more European, than Brazilian. " "so throw out the miracles of nature and look at the everyday Carioca. "
In other words Gesile is "white" which she is (the minority in brazil) as opposed to Indian and Black (the majorty of Brazil), and no such beauty can come from the aforementioned stock. Now your true colors are coming out! (As I expected)



You should also note next time you are in Brazil, look at the magazine stands, and look at the models on the covers of the magazines. You will notice something. Not one cover girl is black. Please just observe this when you look at the covers. I personally feel this a racist attitude in Brazil, where a large part of the population is black. I say this out loud, I believe the publishers of the magazines, or whoever picks the cover girls are discriminating. Brazilian black women are as beautiful as any in Brazil. Very sexy looking. .
I have never been to brazil, I will be making three trips to the country (thanks to the info found on this board) in 2007 (Salvador, Sao Paulo/Rio, then Rio). When you go onto escort sites and you see that the majority of the women are white and very few to none are black in a country where the majority of the population is non-white one gets the "picture". Maybe that may have something to do with the whole "miracles of nature and look at the everyday Carioca".



The Brazilian models are very hot and beautiful, as you say. But how many girls that are 5'9" or more, without heels, have you ever seen in the streets or shopping centers in Rio (I think Sao Paulo is probably better)? Very few. If you want to challenge that statement, feel free to do so. And considering your average model is 5'9" or better, it eliminates 99. 9 % of the Brazilian women from the first leg of the modeling world. .
There’s more to beauty, photography & the modeling industries than just height. 99. 9% of all beauty models (worldwide) are not 5’9" or better. 95% of Russian women are also eliminated based on the same height requirements (I guess the other 5% were eliminated because they don’t photograph well). ;)



My comment had nothing to do with race or color, which you brought up, not me.

You make a statement that "you and the rest of the world disagree with me", a little bold of you to say you speak for the rest of the world, isn't it? Maybe the rest of the world does not share your opinion, nor mine.

So I continue to be ignorant and arrogant, with my own opinion. And I think Dutch women are in a close second, for your average on the street good looks, and being over 5'9" without heels.

In the mean time I will continue to enjoy the very lovely and short Brazilian women, every chance I get, which is about 4 times a week for 6 months. I do have some knowledge of Brazilian women, and I will continue to go to the beach about four days a week and admire the sights and sounds.

Believe me, I am not complaining, just enjoying life here in Brazil. .
I never said you did...my reference was to other members on this forum who have.

I in fact stated: "I guess the rest of the world and I just don’t share your belief" which makes your point moot.

I NEVER called you personally or directly ignorant nor arrogant (I personally don’t think you are) these distinctions where placed on your statements (or opinions as you so fondly like to call them.). Have you never criticized anything without attacking its source. Just because I say someone makes a "dumb" move doesn’t mean that I’m saying or implying that they are "dumb".



Just curious as to why you felt it was important to say you were black? What did that have to do with anything I said or wrote? You could defend your fondness for latin and black women without such a statement.

Where do you think you are coming from in claiming my writing was a "blatant superiority" statement about race and beauty? You were looking for something that was not there to find. I am sorry if you were offended, but my original comments never mentioned what you speak of in your reply.

So feel free to bash away. While I continue to test my personal hypothesis about Brazilians and Russians.

Ibiza.
Well...

1. Because I am.
2. As I stated:

"I’m African American and I love Black women and our latin cousins, they have always been (and will be) my preference. But. I would be ignorant and arrogant to say that: "White women are not attractive. " and "Black women are the most beautiful women in the world". "

To make the point that this is not a racial issue for me, and that other nationalities and races can and do make the same negative remarks.

We all have prejudices and biases that is part of what makes us human, though not a great trait to have, as it’s the number one cause of social problems on this planet. I acknowledge it and I curb it on these forums, as making such biased statements (opinions or otherwise) serves no purpose, but to only offend and inflame other members. :)



The CunningLinguist

Cunnilinguist
02-14-06, 23:52
Lorenzo,

I agree with you, if you read my post I only said I thought Russians would photgraph better, and it was my opinion, not a fact.

Brazilians are sexier, wilder, sweeter, funnier and probably more enthusiastic than Russians. I would like to line ten of each up side by side and compare. I said all of that before and I was accussed of being a racist.

Nowhere did I say anything but positive statements about Brazilian women, who are fantastic in everyway. All colors of Brazilians.

What is this...Eighth grade??? Ibiza...MAN-UP!!!! Take responsibility for your statement and defend it, stop hiding behind the "my opinion" excuse.

Your original statement:
"The absolutely most beautiful girls, for photography, In my opinion, are in St Petersburg, Russia, hands down the best looking women, period. " is a conclusion of fact NOT an opinion.
Does that sound like: "I thought Russians would photgraph better, and it was my opinion, not a fact". ?

Ibiza you are showing a real knack for misquoting and backing down (more like running actually...) from your original statements.

Your original statement:
Spend one day on the Metro in St, Petersburg or Moscow and you will have a weak neck. The girls have no tan, but their faces and eyes put Brazil in 2nd place by a mile.
I can read how such a statement is positively...AGAINST Brazilian women. (Must have been a Freudian slip...) ;)



That is a bunch of crap from someone that has never been to Brasil or Russia. How the fuck does he know how to compare my two analogies, or to say I am wrong? Who writes a post on VM when they have never been there?

He can like black, white, yellow or red for that matter, I really do not care what he likes.

Cunlinguist - Your "shout out" comment is totally racist. If I replaced your "black" comments with "White" and posted that comment, I would be flamed of the board.

Ibiza
So I guess the Copernicus – NASA analogy just...

1. Went right OVER your head or...

2. You’re simply too young to know what I’m talking about.

So I guess modern day books and experts on Isabella of Castile, just don’t know what they’re talking about nor should they publish anything. Or better yet...someone who didn’t actually witness or was part of the Madrid train bombings can’t write about it. Grow up .

Ibiza you make a statement, I counter it with valid and factual points...you, instead of standing by and defending what you stated; now resort to name calling and Personal attacks...again, Grow up

Always remember this "Words mean nothing without the actions to back them up"

And on my primer on VM (WHICH I STAND BEHIND 100%) PROVE IT TO BE WRONG!

1. Prove That the first hand accounts from other members and excerpts from popular Rio guides are wrong!

2. Prove the location maps and satellite maps are incorrect!

3. Prove that the pictures of the location, the stunning VM girl, and train stop are ALL WRONG!!!

You’re there, I’m not; go and write your own report take pictures and lets see how much different it will be from what I’ve stated.

My ShoutOut is racist??? now you're grasping at straws, and you STILL won’t defend your statements; (or is it because you CAN'T...) grow up ibiza grow up.



The CunningLinguist

Cunnilinguist
02-15-06, 00:28
Ibiza007 and Cunlinguist,

Well, I have been to 51 countries, apparently 16 more than Ibiza, and I think Brazilian women are the world's sexiest. As far as most beautiful, that depends of what physical type you like. Personally, I favor nut brown complexioned Latinas, so I think Brazilian women are tied with those of other Latin countries. But none compare to brasileiras in personality and enthusiasm. But isn't that the beauty of Brazil, that all physical types are available, from Scandinavian looking blue eyed blondes to morenas to coal black women of African descent, and even to Asians. Brazil is one place where "seek and ye shall find" can be taken literally.

LorenzoLorenzo

I agree 100% and I couldn't have said it better. :)

The CunningLinguist

Big Dick
02-15-06, 06:01
Thursday. Feb. 9th... GDP news, Hooker swan dives out of her window at 4AM and lands on the sidewalk in front of Frank’s Bar... DOI, (Dead on Impact)..Ken,

What's your point in posting this news in several different places?

Ibiza007
02-15-06, 11:45
Oi Cunlinguist,

In defense of my "true colors" coming out, I am notifying the following dark skinned girls that I am moving to Sweden, or Iceland soon and will no longer be able to visit them regularly; Paula, Nubia, Chris, Christine, Aline, Isabella, Anabella, Babi, Anna, Anna 2, Paula 2, and any other dark skin muhlers that I am good friends with in Rio. I have been exposed. I must confess to all of these lovely girls, of various color, that I do not like any of them any more.

I would move to Russia, but there is a chance some Asian influence could sneek in.

Why do you continue to throw parting racist shots at me?

It is not my fault that you mention Brazil has the hottest models, and the queen bee in Brazil is Gisele, just check the press here, she is the queen of the media in Brazil. I do not remember being involved in selecting her German parents. Is is it my master plan that she is white? I even said I do not care much for her looks, she is very nice, but not my favorite cup of tea.

I have some advice for you as you prepare to travel to Brazil in 2009 or 2010, whenever you are coming.

First, you have to collect all of your Victoria Secrect (VS) catalogs, even the ones under the mattress, and your VS trading cards, your VS model bios, and the VS lunch box and the rest of the VS goods, all of it. I know this will hurt, but you have to let it go. Even the VS hand lotion and mitten. Now, sell it all on Ebay, save the R$54.00 for your trip to VM. This will buy you 2 dates, unless the dollar continues to drop, so you are on a spree in Rio now. $1000 airfare, $1000 hotel,
R$54.00 on girls. Two hour of bliss in VM - Priceless.

Next - go to Brighton Beach, or "call in", get a Russian girl. As you implied, if you want Russian, you need not go to Russia to experience this. Next go to Miami and find some nice South American girls, no sense going to South America, when you can have just as good in Miami at $300.00 hour. While your at it, go to San Francisco, and you can scratch Asia off your list as well. Your comment on the Russians of Brighton beach is like comparing pasta at the Olive Garden to pasta in Firenze, Italia. Been to the Olive Garden been to Italy, it is all the same.

And send me all the arial photos you have of other $17.00 ***** houses you have in your files. Vietnam, Cambodia, etc.

Finally, when you actually have something to report involving sex, post it here so that I can read it. Not reports of others activities, your own experiences.

PS. I am going to write the escort web sites and scold them for not "getting the picture", and having to many "white", per your quote, women on their sites. They need to recruite more dark skinned girls for their site. Those racist bastards.

Travel tip for Rio - A fool and his R$54.00 reals are soon parted.

ibiza

When you reply, please make sure to make another foolish comment on race.

Pluto2
02-15-06, 19:59
http://vacations.travelzoo.com/south-american-vacations/227392

Cunnilinguist
02-15-06, 20:24
Oi Cunlinguist,

In defense of my "true colors" coming out, I am notifying the following dark skinned girls that I am moving to Sweden, or Iceland soon and will no longer be able to visit them regularly; Paula, Nubia, Chris, Christine, Aline, Isabella, Anabella, Babi, Anna, Anna 2, Paula 2, and any other dark skin muhlers that I am good friends with in Rio. I have been exposed. I must confess to all of these lovely girls, of various color, that I do not like any of them any more.

I would move to Russia, but there is a chance some Asian influence could sneek in.

Why do you continue to throw parting racist shots at me?

It is not my fault that you mention Brazil has the hottest models, and the queen bee in Brazil is Gisele, just check the press here, she is the queen of the media in Brazil. I do not remember being involved in selecting her German parents. Is is it my master plan that she is white? I even said I do not care much for her looks, she is very nice, but not my favorite cup of tea.

I have some advice for you as you prepare to travel to Brazil in 2009 or 2010, whenever you are coming.

First, you have to collect all of your Victoria Secrect (VS) catalogs, even the ones under the mattress, and your VS trading cards, your VS model bios, and the VS lunch box and the rest of the VS goods, all of it. I know this will hurt, but you have to let it go. Even the VS hand lotion and mitten. Now, sell it all on Ebay, save the R$54.00 for your trip to VM. This will buy you 2 dates, unless the dollar continues to drop, so you are on a spree in Rio now. $1000 airfare, $1000 hotel,
R$54.00 on girls. Two hour of bliss in VM - Priceless.

Next - go to Brighton Beach, or "call in", get a Russian girl. As you implied, if you want Russian, you need not go to Russia to experience this. Next go to Miami and find some nice South American girls, no sense going to South America, when you can have just as good in Miami at $300.00 hour. While your at it, go to San Francisco, and you can scratch Asia off your list as well. Your comment on the Russians of Brighton beach is like comparing pasta at the Olive Garden to pasta in Firenze, Italia. Been to the Olive Garden been to Italy, it is all the same.

And send me all the arial photos you have of other $17.00 ***** houses you have in your files. Vietnam, Cambodia, etc.

Finally, when you actually have something to report involving sex, post it here so that I can read it. Not reports of others activities, your own experiences.

PS. I am going to write the escort web sites and scold them for not "getting the picture", and having to many "white", per your quote, women on their sites. They need to recruite more dark skinned girls for their site. Those racist bastards.

Travel tip for Rio - A fool and his R$54.00 reals are soon parted.

ibiza

When you reply, please make sure to make another foolish comment on race.Hola Ibiza

This exchange of comments with you has been analogous to: being challenged to a gun fight, getting ready to draw, then watching your opponent shoot himself in the foot, then having to hear him COMPLAIN why I shot him in the foot and how that’s unfair and I cheated.

Ibiza, I don’t think you are a racist (I personally don’t know you so I can’t comment with certainty). I never labeled you a racist, I know you are biased, but hell, so am I, and everybody else for that matter. It’s a human trait. I believe you have been crying the race issue to deflect away from the real issue of the argument which was Universal Beauty.

Reiterating my two key points:

”We all have prejudices and biases that is part of what makes us human, though not a great trait to have, as it’s the number one cause of social problems on this planet. I acknowledge it, and I curb it on these forums, as making such biased statements (opinions or otherwise) serves no purpose, but to only offend and inflame other members.”

”BEAUTY is a UNIVERSAL trait, it neither is exclusive nor dominated by any one race, group, nor nation. This is something, we should all be smart enough to see and have the intelligence to acknowledge, understand, and respect.”

All has been said, that needed to be said; on this topic…now lets get back to the real purpose of this board and provide QUALITY, ACCURATE, and TIMELY information (first-hand or researched) by and for its members..

Please enjoy the rest of your time in Rio, and live up to the spirit of the general motto of this forum which is to “have a great time.” :)

Thanks, for your contributions to the board (minus the Russian post) ;)

The CunningLinguist

Ibiza007
02-16-06, 18:16
An olive branch is offered and is accepted in return. Hopefully my new posts will be more entertaining and informative.

Ibiza



Hola Ibiza

This exchange of comments with you has been analogous to: being challenged to a gun fight, getting ready to draw, then watching your opponent shoot himself in the foot, then having to hear him COMPLAIN why I shot him in the foot and how that’s unfair and I cheated.

Ibiza, I don’t think you are a racist (I personally don’t know you so I can’t comment with certainty). I never labeled you a racist, I know you are biased, but hell, so am I, and everybody else for that matter. It’s a human trait. I believe you have been crying the race issue to deflect away from the real issue of the argument which was Universal Beauty.

Reiterating my two key points:

”We all have prejudices and biases that is part of what makes us human, though not a great trait to have, as it’s the number one cause of social problems on this planet. I acknowledge it, and I curb it on these forums, as making such biased statements (opinions or otherwise) serves no purpose, but to only offend and inflame other members.”

”BEAUTY is a UNIVERSAL trait, it neither is exclusive nor dominated by any one race, group, nor nation. This is something, we should all be smart enough to see and have the intelligence to acknowledge, understand, and respect.”

All has been said, that needed to be said; on this topic…now lets get back to the real purpose of this board and provide QUALITY, ACCURATE, and TIMELY information (first-hand or researched) by and for its members..

Please enjoy the rest of your time in Rio, and live up to the spirit of the general motto of this forum which is to “have a great time.” :)

Thanks, for your contributions to the board (minus the Russian post) ;)

The CunningLinguist

Ibiza007
02-16-06, 18:38
I went the beach today for 3 hours (12-3pm) in front of the Rio Othon, I have never seen it with as few people as I saw today, maybe 100 people in front of the Rio Othon Palace. And maybe 6 girls, I am not sure if even 6 were for sure GDP.

Normally by 2;00 they are starting to filter in. It has been so slow that some of the people that have tents with chairs for rent are not even putting the tents up, they seem to have some kind of co-op going, sharing space. It is Thursday, and it is slow, but this is tourist day. Carnaval pricing is in effect. I am not seeing any increase in foot traffic on the beach, I think even less people. Saturday and Sunday will be busy, but that is locals day.

And, the vendors outnumbered the people, I have never seen so many vendors, it was totally annoying today. Do you think they come from out of town, like the girls, to work the beach for carnaval?

Camerooooons. - (shrimps on a stick) If anyone as ever eaten one of these and not got sick, let me know. I met one girl, and she really got sick. Go figure, shellfish carried in a metal tray and 90 degree heat go together real well.

Ibz

Crypton
02-17-06, 20:21
I will be in Recife in August on business and would like to visit one other place in Brazil after - more or less purely for the hobby. Been considering Forteleza, Rio, Salvador, and Sao Paulo in that order. I will probably have a week after Recife to spend in one of these places. I would like to say money is no object - it is somewhat but not a primary consideration. Looking for best experiences. Lately, I have been dreaming about Brazilian bubble butts - so you know I am ready! I realize all places have pros and cons - but for the best mongering experience which place would you master Brazil mongers recommend to a Brazil newbie? Yes, I have RTFF and that is how I narrowed the places down. Thanks in advance for your help.

Cheers.

Crypton

California Guy
02-18-06, 08:04
WTF is up with the dollar compared to Reais? Do people think it is going down a little because it is Carnaval time? If it keeps up there will be no reason to visit, or at least the higher price locations like Rio. My first trip is coming up so this sucks! I mean it it sounds like people pay about 200-400 Reais per hour? so that is 100-200 US :( Am I way off? I mean I'm going either way and will have fun but maybe switching some of the days I'm in Rio because of this.

Take care if youre there for the Stones! Sounds like a recipe for thugs unfortunately so hopefully it is safe.

Trippleecks
02-18-06, 11:30
It’s not just Carnival that is causing the Real to get stronger. I has to do with the fact that Brazil is buying Dollars, and also the fact that Brazil just passed a New law on taxes, Brazil will not charge foreign investors Capital Gains Tax on tax on local government bonds....

You can read about that here.......

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/3665719.html

Exec Talent
02-18-06, 12:14
One of the indicators I follow is the US stock market. The stronger the market, the lower the exchange rate.

Also, the exchange rate is bad for those who travel to Brazil from the US, but not those who sell goods and services in Brazil. Let's say you are Pepsi and report your consolidated earnings in dollars. When it was 4:1 you reported 1 USD as $.25, now it is $.50.

It might surprise some people here, but not everything is driven by your desire for cheap sex. And, some of us actually like it when the exchange rate goes down.

Rio Bob
02-18-06, 14:26
http://transito.rio.rj.gov.br/


Check out these live cameras in Rio, all right you won't be able to see the Stones but you will see the crowds flocking to the concert or beach.

Lorenzo
02-18-06, 18:36
Been considering Forteleza, Rio, Salvador, and Sao Paulo in that order. I will probably have a week after Recife to spend in one of these places. Looking for best experiences. I realize all places have pros and cons - but for the best mongering experience which place would you master Brazil mongers recommend to a Brazil newbie? Yes, I have RTFF and that is how I narrowed the places down.
Crypton,

The answer to your question depends on your personal preferences. I have never been to Fortaleza or Sao Paolo--intentionally--so I can't speak firsthand. I've never been to Fortaleza because beach resorts just aren't my thing. But, if that happens to be your thing, it's something you should take into consideration. I've avoided SP because the negative things I've heard and read about it outnumber the positive by about twenty to one. A Carioca once told me that a Paulistano's idea of fun was to sit behind the wheel of his car and discuss business with another Paulistano in an adjacent car while they are both stuck in traffic.

(There is also a Paulistano joke about Rio: An American, a Frenchman, and a Carioca are in a plane flying around the world. From time to time they wonder where they are. After a while the American sticks his arm out the window, pulls it back in and says, "I just touched the Statue of Liberty; we must be in New York." Sometime later the Frenchman sticks his arm out the window, pulls it back in and says, "I just touched the Eiffel Tower; we must be in Paris." Still later, the Carioca sticks his arm out the window, pulls it back in and says, "somebody just stole my watch; we must be in Rio!")

But back to your question. This leaves Rio and Salvador. If you have indeed RTFF, it must be obvious that Rio is the pussy capital of the world. There is no place like it in the world for mongering, and I have mongered on six continents (all but Antarctica--I'm not into penguins), so I have seen much of the world. For sheer variety of the women available, their physical attractiveness, their enthusiasm and vibrant personalities, and their sexual skills, Brazilian women just can't be matched. So your first choice should be Rio. For a thorough and comprehensive guide as to where to go in Rio, check out Bubba Boy's posts; better than this you can't get. I know others will differ, but I vastly prefer the termas to places like Help! and Barbarella's, but you'll have to decide for yourself. If you do go to a termas, I would recommend starting out at L'uomo; it's the perfect starter termas. Your first trip to a termas, you'll think you died and went to heaven. Prices aren't negotiable at a termas, but services are. You should always make it clear to a girl what you want before you go back to the room, so you won't be disappointed, especially if you want BBBJ. A few years ago all of them did this, but now more and more of them won't (a regrettable indicator of some of Rio's recent decline).

I have also mongered in Salvador, and the mongering scene there is pretty good, but can't compare to Rio. Salvador is a great place to visit for non-mongering reasons, in that I think it is more authentically Brazilian. It is the center of Afro-Brazilian culture, and Bahian cuisine is to die for. Make sure you see a capoiera show. Salvador is 70% black, so any women you monger with are certain to be black or mulata. So if you're not into dark complexioned women, don't go there. If you go, I recommend a place called Special-Relax; any taxi driver should be able to find it. The last I heard they still charge R$150 for a one hour session. When I was in Salvador, I went there twice. The first time I had a beautiful mulata, the second time a black girl, both about 20 and both with lovely personalities and excellent sexual skills. In fact, the mulata wanted to screw bareback--the only time this has ever happened to me in Brazil--and I found the idea so irresistible that I weakened and agreed. (No lectures please; I know it was risky. I pissed and washed immediately afterward, and I've since tested negative, and I haven't done it since.)

So my suggestion to you is, since you have a week and you're coming from Recife, spend 2 days in Salvador and 5 in Rio, with a definite plan in mind as to exactly where you want to go in both cities. If you can only go to one, then Rio is the obvious choice. Hope this helps.

Lorenzo

Lorenzo
02-18-06, 18:42
And, some of us actually like it when the exchange rate goes down.
I agree with you completely, ET. The low exchange rate helps keep the riffraff away. :D

Lorenzo

Crypton
02-19-06, 00:29
Lorenzo,

Thanks for taking the time to respond to my post and providing excellent information. My only hesitation with Rio was safety and perhaps how daunting it might be for me with no language skills. I am not paranoid - I was in Medellin by myself last year. But... as you said, Rio does seem to be the place for variety. Thanks again.

Cheers.

RonnyRon
02-19-06, 01:00
Lorenzo is right on. If you have braved Medellin, Rio should be a cake walk. Really, IMHO you'll be fine in Rio. Speaking Portuguese is a BIG plus, but not necessary for you to visit. The girls know why you are there and will understand you just fine. Just keep your wits about you. In other words, don't get drunk and walk around alone. Simply use common sense. Have a great time. I always do.

RonnyRon

Double
02-19-06, 07:00
I think that the low exchange rate is also tied to low interest rates and high consumer debt in the U.S. The heavy consumer credit burden and low interest rates discourages foreign investors from investing in U.S. currency. As the interest rates go up, and the Fed tightens money supply and increase the reserve requirements for bank; credit will become harder acquire and consumers will be force to pay down outstanding debt, and live within their means. This will ad to the dollars strength, and slow inflation.

The garotas will always cost the same, $100 to $200. At that price it is still a bargain. During a trip to the Spearment Rhino you spend $120 for three nude songs that last 1.5 minutes a piece. In other places it is $40 for a nude coach dance in the pitch dark with your hands pinned to your side. So, with the money up or down, it is worth the trip.

The bonus that makes it most worth it to me, is to hear a Brazilian hottie say, vai, que gostoso, oi, and any number of other terms that flow out of a their mouths during a session. In my humble opinion, the Brazilian woman is "one of the most" passionate and expressive woman on the planet. If she is happy with the lovin she let’s you in on it-it is not a secret.

The Watcher
02-19-06, 08:44
One of the indicators I follow is the US stock market. The stronger the market, the lower the exchange rate.

Also, the exchange rate is bad for those who travel to Brazil from the US, but not those who sell goods and services in Brazil. Let's say you are Pepsi and report your consolidated earnings in dollars. When it was 4:1 you reported 1 USD as $.25, now it is $.50.

It might surprise some people here, but not everything is driven by your desire for cheap sex. And, some of us actually like it when the exchange rate goes down.This is a serious question - would you please set forth your reasons why a member of this site would like it when the exchange rate goes down? I can't think of any. I remember when the rate was .95 to 1 and brasileiras did not want dollars. I could not afford to do the things I had previously done - and it was not just girls but hotels, restaurants, shows and gifts; consequently, I do not understand how any one on this site could like a low exchange rate.

However, the important thing to note is that, notwithstanding the low exchange rate, I still went. And no matter how low the exchange rate gets, I am still going. After all, a little bit of Rio is better than no Rio at all.

Ibiza007
02-19-06, 18:02
Last night outside help, at 4:00 am, there was a very noticeable disturbance between several young guys, early twenties and not Help customers, they were in board shorts without shirts and had their girlfriends with them, they were there because it was the only thing open at 4:00 am. ,and they were still partying after the concert. Anyway, a big mess broke out, lasted about 10:00 min of pushing and shoving. There were many police in the area and not one of them even came over to enquire what was going on. And this mess had spilled into the street, so it was not hidden from there sight.

Back to my theory, the less they do , the more secure their jobs are....

Exec Talent
02-19-06, 21:01
This is a serious question - would you please set forth your reasons why a member of this site would like it when the exchange rate goes down? I can't think of any. I remember when the rate was .95 to 1 and brasileiras did not want dollars. I could not afford to do the things I had previously done - and it was not just girls but hotels, restaurants, shows and gifts; consequently, I do not understand how any one on this site could like a low exchange rate.


A serious question deserves a serious answer.

There are three main reasons. The first is because some of us are involved in international businesses which benefit from increased trade and greater international returns on investments. Secondly, some of us follow currency markets and bought Reais when the exchange rate was 4:1. Thirdly, some people, who we would rather not sit next to in the termas, no longer find Rio a viable travel destination. Having to listen to a couple guys with backward turned baseball caps yelling, "This here meat sure is tasty." while I was trying to discuss Palestinian elections with a gentleman from Cairo drove home that point.

Exec Talent
02-19-06, 21:07
I didn’t see any problems out on the street last night before and during the Stones concert. This morning cleanup crews were at it early and doing a great job. Unless someone knows differently, I would say Rio did very well with this concert.

Ibiza007
02-20-06, 02:13
I believe Rio did a great job as well. Try moving a million people from a small area in one hour anywhere in the world and see what happens, the streets were ready, and clean for the normal Sunday walkers, it really was an amazing job by Rio.

I did talk to my friends who were in the thick of the people and said it was really scary, way to many people in a small area. Three diferent people said this, but again, I only saw a couple of arrests. My friends said really elbow to elbow, with a noticable rise in temperature in the crowd. To much for me.

I tried to take the beach side to get around to watch the concert. No way, there were hundreds of people in the water, making an entrance around the back side impossible without getting wet. I did not even try the sreet side, my friends said "do not even try". Luckily I saw the Stones many years ago in Denver on the Vodoo lounge tour , so I did not kill myself to get so close.

Rio ( or any city that tries this) may be pushing its luck, as there have been some serious trampling problems in Saudi Arabia and recently the Phillipines. Those would be minor compared to what would happen if gunfire broke out at something like last nights concert, 1000's would be hurt or killed. And I am pretty sure there were guns in the crowd somewhere. Favela boys.....

Just a thought, not that this should or would happen, and I am glad it did not occur.

Good job Rio...

IBZ

Sunset Strip
02-20-06, 21:52
Though I do not agree 100% with Exec Talents comments (basically because he mentioned backward baseball caps) I understand how he feels. Rio for the last two years has been overrun with gangstas (most are not real, however).

Many of these guys obviously are not well travelled and are poorly educated. But since they have some cash, and the dollar was strong (4 to1) they flew to Brazil and went wild like the guys in rap videos.

But for mongers who have broader interests, such as Exec Talent, seeing these guys become emblematic of all gringos had to be frustrating.

I personally agree. What Exec Talent is saying is that it is a privilege to be able to go to places like Rio and people who can TRULY appreciate the experience are better representatives of gringos than guys who think dressing and acting like thugs is the image Americans should export abroad.

Last, thug life is NOT a true representation of African Americans anyway. Let us all remember that Hollywood uses those images to make money. So displaying a certain dislike for thug culture is not anti-African American (although some could mean it that way).
TJ

Rio Bob
02-21-06, 00:35
Brazil's Real Strengthens Near Strongest Since 2001 on Inflows
Feb. 20 (Bloomberg) -- Brazil's real strengthened to near its strongest since March 2001 on increased inflows to the domestic bond market as investors sought to lock in returns ahead of an expected decline in interest rates.

Investors sold dollars to buy the real and invest in domestic bonds ahead of a central bank rate meeting next month, said Flavio Datz at Agora Senior Corretora. The country's benchmark interest rate may fall to 16.50 percent in March, from 17.25 percent, according to a weekly central bank survey of about 100 economists released today.

``The market has a very consistent forecast for a decline in interest rates and everyone is betting strongly on that,'' said Datz, a currency trader at Rio de Janeiro's Agora Senior Corretora. ``The prevailing expectation is that this may be the last chance to get into the market before rates fall, so we may see a large inflow of dollars in the short-term.''

The real traded at 2.1148 per dollar at 3:16 p.m. New York time, compared with 2.1175 on Feb. 17. It has gained 21.8 percent in the past 12 months, the best performance against the dollar of the 16 major currencies. It reached 2.1030 on Feb. 17, its strongest since trading at 2.0910 on March 21, 2001.

The dollar futures contract for March 1, 2006, settlement, the most widely traded on the BM&F commodity and futures exchange in Sao Paulo, exchanged hands at 2.1187 reais per dollar from 2.1280 reais on Feb. 17.

Wandering Fool
02-21-06, 02:15
Though I do not agree 100% with Exec Talents

Last, thug life is NOT a true representation of African Americans anyway.
TJBut sadly, it IS representational of a huge population of white middle class boys who have been the primary consumers of this music and lifestyle. So maybe, this IS becoming a somewhat accurate portrayal of us. Hey, we're not alone, plenty of Brazilians, Asians, you name it, are doing it too. They're young people, pliable and seeking an identity and the gangsta lifestyle speaks to them as long as they don't actually have to shoot someone.

I agree though.

My fist trip happened to coincide with a huge Hell's Angels convention (or reunion or whatever) right oustide the Othon Palace. They make their presence known even more than the gangsta's and they were all over the beach and Help day after day. As much as I had hoped to be in an exotic foreign place, integrating with the culture and getting away from it all, a trip to Rio hadn't gotten me any further than a sleazy biker bar in the US.

Pluto2
02-21-06, 17:57
Unfortunately when I visited Rio, there was a small (<50) group that was highly visible in Help and on the sidewalk in Ipanema. Attitude, i gotta gun shirt and pants and we are taking over the neighborhood by standing on your street corner herd movement.

In Help they were walking through other customers and pushing other customers aside with their chests if they wanted to get somewhere. The Garotas made plenty of comments about their behavior. They also complained about the non-stop gang rap that the DJ was spinning. If the owner of Help stopped playing gang rap, maybe another bar could steal the few low lifes that visit the establishment. Yes it was 100% black American males. No not all black males are bangers. Yes there are plenty of white and latin ones but they stayed home.

On the sidewalk in Ipanema the same group 15-20 that I had seen in Help the night before was walking 15 across with lots of attitude as they took up most of the sidewalk.

Some of the same low lifes were noticed in the airport when I departed.

I had hoped that the Brazilian police would treat them like Brazilian gang bangers or at least get 30 cops and start walking through the low lifes until one of them shoved a cop. But in the era of sub human rights, the behaviors just kept on coming.

Americas gift to the world.

Lancer520
02-21-06, 20:31
The dollar is up against the Real today almost .06. Thank god that may have been the bottom at 2.11 Reals. I'm hopeing to get back to 2.35 Reals by the time the end of March comes. I never thought I would ever care this much about foreign currency :o)

Sunset Strip
02-21-06, 21:13
Despite the weak dollar I am going back again to keep up relations. In my opinion you have a better time when people know you (that is if you get along with people, otherwise stay home a couple of years and let them forget you!!!). Keeping up relations is good.

In the end you will have it better when the dollar rebounds, as it will.

I am generally treated by many Brazilians as a Brazilian (well a rich one I guess) and know if I stop going these relationships will die down.

Have courage guys. Let's not give up.

What are cambios giving right now?

TJ

Lorenzo
02-21-06, 21:47
Unfortunately when I visited Rio, there were a small (<50) that were highly visible in Help and on the sidewalk in Ipanema.
In Help they were walking through other customers and pushing other customers aside with their chests if they wanted to get somewhere.

On the sidewalk in Ipanema the same group 15-20 that I had seen in Help the night before was walking 15 across with lots of attitude as they took up most of the sidewalk.

Some of the same low lifes were noticed in the airport when I departed.


Sounds like they were following you, Pluto. Better watch your back. :D

Member #4156
02-21-06, 22:00
Despite the weak dollar I am going back again to keep up relations. In my opinion you have a better time when people know you (that is if you get along with people, otherwise stay home a couple of years and let them forget you!!!). Keeping up relations is good.

In the end you will have it better when the dollar rebounds, as it will.

I am generally treated by many Brazilians as a Brazilian (well a rich one I guess) and know if I stop going these relationships will die down.

Have courage guys. Let's not give up.

What are cambios giving right now?

TJ

The lovely ladies at Monte Carlo offered me 2.30 to the dollar on the last night I went when the Real was 2.16:1. However, I think it had more to do with my attitude and my frequent appearances for they offered someone else 2.20:1. Who knows what it is now.

Rio Bob
02-22-06, 04:27
Despite the weak dollar I am going back again to keep up relations. In my opinion you have a better time when people know you (that is if you get along with people, otherwise stay home a couple of years and let them forget you!!!). Keeping up relations is good.

In the end you will have it better when the dollar rebounds, as it will.

I am generally treated by many Brazilians as a Brazilian (well a rich one I guess) and know if I stop going these relationships will die down.

Have courage guys. Let's not give up.

What are cambios giving right now?

TJ

The dollar will rebound as you say but the problem is not so much the dollar as it is the Real because for the past 6 months the dollar has been firm against the Euro and the Yen, it's just that the Real has been so strong not that the dollar has been so weak.

After my 10 year hiatus from Rio when I returned in 1997 the dollar/Real was about 1 to 1. After 10 years in 1997 I felt Rio was very expensive as I had been there in the 1980's when Rio was real cheap. Since 1997 I am sure that the inflation has been at least 100% and prices today relative to then may be about the same or about 30% more in my opinion. In 1997 when I went to a Termas the impression I got is that they didn't see too many English speakers or Americans. Today as you know these Termas are overrun by Gringos. Yes fewer tourists will go to Rio because it is not such a value anymore but Rio enjoys more popularity now as a result of the publicity of MTV and people will still go but do less when they get there.

For example my daily budget for Rio has stayed about the same in recent years but I do less on a per diem basis.

I used to pull duplas out of Help, no more. I used to pull duplas out of Barbarellas, now I rarely go there.

I may have in the past stop in a termas in the afternoon then Help at night, now I skip the daytime activities. I used to call high end escorts during the day then Help at night, now just Help at night.

I used to go to the best restaurants every night, now I find myself eating more at midnight at Terraco Atlantico before my entrance to Help. I used to bring a case of Champagne for my post midnight encounters, now I'm bringing sparkling wine LOL.

I used to stay in ocean front rooms in hotels, now I stay in an apartment tucked in the back of a building 2 blocks off the beach.

I used to fly first class both ways now I just fly first class going and coach return.

My per diem budget is still the same but I’m doing less and still having a blast. If I wanted to do the same as when the Real/Dollar was 4 to 1 then my budget would have had to more than doubled and I didn't want to do that.

I will still go to Rio but savor the moments more and get more out of what I do; it will have more value to me.

Pure Power
02-22-06, 04:35
The dollar is up against the Real today almost .06. Thank god that may have been the bottom at 2.11 Reals. I'm hopeing to get back to 2.35 Reals by the time the end of March comes. I never thought I would ever care this much about foreign currency :o)I hear ya bro. I have allready bought my plane ticket and apartment for May 10-16th. I have been watching the real drop for about 3 months. I hope this is the last of it too. Im still counting the days until my plane leaves.

Wandering Fool
02-22-06, 06:33
Hi RB, I enjoyed your brief musings of the Rio past in the post below and was wondering if you would be game to compare the Rio of the 80's (and even late 90's) to what we see today in greater depth.

I've read some posts with brief mention of this -guys remembering how the girls were twice as good looking and everything was half price etc. Everything seems to be soooo much better when we remember it from 20 years ago I guess. Since you are one of the highly esteemed veterans of this board, it would be fascinating to read an accurate and revealing take on the quality of girls, the prices, the attitudes and the hot spots of the Rio of yesteryear.

RB, are you game to take us back to the James Bond era of the 80's Rio?

Rio Bob
02-23-06, 05:21
I've read some posts with brief mention of this -guys remembering how the girls were twice as good looking and everything was half price etc.

In the early 80's before Help most of the night action took place in most of the Cafes along Av.Atlantica not just the few of today but most of them.

And the girls in the Cafes were 10 times as good looking as the girls in the Cafes today. Money was never mentioned, you met your girl in a Cafe, bought her a couple of drinks then back to your room for the night. The next day you gave her a small cash gift in the $20 to $30 range and condoms were never heard of.

Mariu's with beer was $6 US. Everybody sold Brazilian currency the Cruziero for dollars and everybody gave you 40% over the official rate which really brought down the price.

Holiday Club on Av. Atlantica was packed with stunners, I still think about a blond I met there who brought me to the Lido Motel one night around the corner. Who today would remember anybody from Holiday or even go there.

The Watcher
02-23-06, 05:51
In the early 80's before Help most of the night action took place in most of the Cafes along Av.Atlantica not just the few of today but most of them.

And the girls in the Cafes were 10 times as good looking as the girls in the Cafes today. Money was never mentioned, you met your girl in a Cafe, bought her a couple of drinks then back to your room for the night. The next day you gave her a small cash gift in the $20 to $30 range and condoms were never heard of.

Mariu's with beer was $6 US. Everybody sold Brazilian currency the Cruziero for dollars and everybody gave you 40% over the official rate which really brought down the price.

Holiday Club on Av. Atlantica was packed with stunners, I still think about a blond I met there who brought me to the Lido Motel one night around the corner. Who today would remember anybody from Holiday or even go there.I do have many fond memories of the Holiday. In fact, it was the first boite that I ever attended. And, now, I would not even think of going to the Holiday. It is amazing how things change (and not always for the better).

Wandering Fool
02-23-06, 07:52
Thanks, RB!

I hope if any other long time veterans read this topic they'll chime in as well. It would be very interesting to piece together a picture of an earlier era of Rio to see how things have changed.

One thing I've heard discussed are claims that the girls of yesteryear were so much hotter. I have to question if this is really just time smoothing over the edges. Every year there are a new crop of girls that become pros, some hot, some not. The law of averages should keep things somewhat consistent over the years in terms of the distrobution of looks. Why would gdp's from 10 or 20 years ago be better looking then now?

Euro100
02-23-06, 07:57
I have been coming to Rio since the early 90s. The exchange rate was the great uncertainty. Since they had very high inflation, they had to adjust their currency relative to the dollar periodically. So you could come to Rio and a beer would only be a dime, and next time it could be a dollar, only a few weeks later.

The girls alwasy wanted to stay for the whole night. I remember pulling a few stunners out of Holiday, too. A couple of these girls wanted to stay for free for a few more days. (I did not take them up on the offer ... this can get really expensive in the end, if you know what I mean).

Frank's was a cool place back then. Something like $10 (US) entrance fee, including two caipis (or whatever else you wanted to drink). Some disco dancing interrupted by strip acts and the occasional sex act on stage. Way cool!! I always found freelancers in there, never had to pay a bar fee. Often the girls would speak a bit of Anglese, and that was enough to negotiate the price.

Once I tried to communicate with a real stunner (blond, kind of Swedish-looking - to me at least). But no chance, her English was non-existent, as was my Portuguese. Finally, she just DFKed the hell out of me. Check please! Strangely, she had her own car, and we drove to my hotel (always Luxor Continental in Leme). Then we stood at the reception and had the receptionist translate our negotiations for each other. We settled on $40 (US) for an all-nighter. Thinking back, this was funnier than hell, having the poor guy try to translate all my sex requests. I think he got a rise out of it, too ;)

Once I negotiated a very pretty girl down to $20 (US) for all night. This is not as impressive as it may sound, because she started her negotiation with an offer of $100, which she reduced to $80 right away. The negotiations (in English) inside Franks took more than half an hour, and she gave me plenty of free samples, like slipping my finger up inside her wet pussy, in the process. Like the Chinese say: "It the journey that counts, not the destination". I don't know, maybe I am making this Chinese saying up. But it sounds good, and Confucius should have said something like it, if he didn't.

Once I took one of the strippers at Frank's back to my hotel. Had to wait until her shift was over, but it was worth the wait! There is something enticing about doing a stripper. Often wanted to do this in the US, but no such luck.

I do not think the girls were prettier then. One thing is for sure, though, I was quite a bit younger. And this helped. A lot! ;)

euro

Piper1
02-23-06, 14:08
Interesting research from a sexology website:

... survey revealed that at least 23.5 percent of São Paulo residents (Paulistanos), 12.6 percent of Rio de Janeiro residents (Cariocas), and 18.8 percent of those in other Brazilian cities reject oral sex because they consider it abnormal. Also, 53 percent of the Paulistanos, 38.6 percent of the Cariocas and 45.7 percent of those in other cities consider anal sex abnormal; 10 percent refused to answer...

In spite of this prohibition, many people go against the conventional sexual standards, since the primary message of Brazilian folk culture - fazendo tudo - prompts a freedom of sexual expression in private where anything can happen and everything is possible, encouraging everyone to broaden one’s repertoire of sexual practices ...

The IPPM survey, for example, showed that at least occasionally 52.9 percent of Cariocas, 37.8 percent of Paulistanos, and 42.1 percent of other Brazilians have practiced anal intercourse...

Pluto2
02-23-06, 16:45
.......... Brazil... Euro... USA.... Gold........US Trade Deficit
.......... BRL..... EURO. Gas Gal OZ..........Billions, goods+services
1990... 0.00.... 0.00.. 1.43... 383.51
1991... 0.00.... 0.00.. 1.35... 362.11
1992... 0.00.... 0.00.. 1.31... 343.82
1993... 0.00.... 0.00.. 1.25... 359.77
1994... 0.00.... 0.00.. 1.23... 384.00
1995... 0.96.... 0.00.. 1.25... 383.79
1996... 1.00.... 0.00.. 1.31... 387.81
1997... 1.08.... 0.00.. 1.29... 331.02
1998... 1.16.... 0.85.. 1.10... 294.24
1999... 1.81.... 0.94.. 1.19... 278.98
2000... 1.83.... 1.08.. 1.51... 279.11
2001... 2.33.... 1.12.. 1.43... 271.04
2002... 2.86.... 1.06.. 1.31... 309.73.....-421,180
2003... 3.04.... 0.89.. 1.50... 363.38.....-494,814
2004... 2.93.... 0.81.. 1.74... 409.72.....-617,583
2005... 2.44.... 0.80.. 2.50... 444.74.....-725,759
2006... 2.16.... 0.84.. 2.25... 552.82

Rio Bob
02-23-06, 17:02
Thanks, RB!
One thing I've heard discussed are claims that the girls of yesteryear were so much hotter. I have to question if this is really just time smoothing over the edges. Every year there are a new crop of girls that become pros, some hot, some not. The law of averages should keep things somewhat consistent over the years in terms of the distrobution of looks. Why would gdp's from 10 or 20 years ago be better looking then now?

Your absolutely right on this, when I said the girls were 10 x nicer I was referring to the girls in Meia Pataca and Mabs. The girls who hung out in MP and Mabs back then were of good quality today they are not. One member made a joke about this when I said it before that those high quality girls from Mabs who were sitting there 20 years ago are still sitting there today.

Actually I seldon take a girl from a sidewalk cafe today but I would say that on average I feel that all the girls I do today in Rio are much nicer than in the 80's for sure. Plus today I can converse in Portuguese on a certain level then I couldn't and the conversing helps.

Rio Bob
02-23-06, 22:45
Since you are one of the highly esteemed veterans of this board, it would be fascinating to read an accurate and revealing take on the quality of girls, the prices, the attitudes and the hot spots of the Rio of yesteryear.

RB, are you game to take us back to the James Bond era of the 80's Rio?

From 1980 to 1987 I had gone to Rio 35 times, the termas were in business then as many of the taxi drivers were always showing you a brochure of one and during all those years I only went once. I did most of my mongering in the cafes along Av Atlantica, club Erotika which was on Princess Isabella Blvd, it was a big place with many freelancers and a sex show late at night, pulled many girls out of here. Another favorite was Club Munich which also had live sex shows man and women and lesbian also pulled girls out of here. And of course Barbarellas which was in a different location.

When I think back about the attitudes, I would have to say that attitudes then were great and they for the most part were more innocent. For example if you brought a girl back to your hotel room one night chances are she would be waiting in your lobby the next day looking for you to go out again, good for the ego I guess but it was a little annoying if you didn't want a repeat performance.

Wandering Fool
02-24-06, 02:39
R Bob, to what would you attribute the changing attitudes? I mean, this must have been going on in Rio for a looong time before any of us heard of it, right (40's, 50's....) so why in the last 20 years would there be such a change?

My thoughts might be that maybe the fact that travel is becoming easier and cheaper and because of the internet and shared information the world is a smaller place. Maybe more of the girls are travelling abroad and seeing their value in Europe and US and spreading the word to the locals?

Rio Bob
02-25-06, 05:21
R Bob, to what would you attribute the changing attitudes? I mean, this must have been going on in Rio for a looong time before any of us heard of it, right (40's, 50's....) so why in the last 20 years would there be such a change?

My thoughts might be that maybe the fact that travel is becoming easier and cheaper and because of the internet and shared information the world is a smaller place. Maybe more of the girls are travelling abroad and seeing their value in Europe and US and spreading the word to the locals?

Well, I’m no psychologist or behavior scientist but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

I also do want to say that for the most part even today I usually find girls with a good attitude as I always have a good attitude with them and I think that helps. But of course occasionally I come across someone with a bad attitude as we all do and the question is where does that come from?

Well 20 years ago I feel the popularity of Rio wasn’t what it is today, the girls didn’t enjoy the same demand and they were more grateful for what they got. It wasn’t easy come easy go, so they were nicer more appreciative for the little they got otherwise they would get nothing if they weren’t nice. They tried to hold on to what they could get.

Today on the other hand Rio enjoys much more popularity; there has been great demand for these girls, easy money from guys they pretty much don’t care for. They don’t have to be nice, if you don’t like it there is always another one right behind you to pay the money. It is very commercial, very cold, cut and dry.

You can see it from the advice on this board, guys writing down the price of the session, writing down the expected services, making sure it is Reais and not dollars she is talking about, watching out she doesn’t slip you a boa noite Cinderella, she is leaving too early than expected or expecting to get paid upfront, guys paranoid that they will get ripped off while they sleep.

Sure these things happen but back 20 years ago this was unheard of, like I said before money was never mentioned, the next day you gave her what you wanted if anything at all, in the morning meekly she would ask for a small present please. Today they demand and try to give you less than you deserve. This is what people are afraid of and if you are afraid of it they sense it and know they can get away with it too.

Sunset Strip
02-25-06, 20:01
I first went to Brazil in 1990 or 1991 (it is hard to remember). The military government had just stepped down and Bush (I) visited this new open Brazil during what I think was called Earth Day (an eco-convention). I think it was 1990.

I think the fact that Brazil was a relatively closed society for decades led to what some might call "innocence" about the outside world. Most Brazilians are young and given this demographical truth when Rio Bob and I first started going, these people probably had live their entire lives under miltiary rule.

I was on one of the first US Navy ships to visit Brazil after it opened up. The Brazilians treated us like kings. The girls were at the bay when we arrived hanging on the fence as the police tried to force them down.

Now Brazilians have gringos all over Brazil and of course even more Americans have been going since Snoop Dog made Brazil the place to be. And since American pop culture, especially hip hop, is taking the world by storm, Brazilian culture itself is changing.

Just as American pop culture is ALL ABout the Money, Get Rich or Dir Tryin', I got My money on my Mind, etc., Brazilians pop culture is changing rapidily.

Brazil has always had a close association with American society. In fact Brazil is the UNited States of Brazil. I studied Brazilian history in college and I am not surprised that Brazilians are taken so by hip hop culture (as is the world at large). Remember bossa nova and jazz were linked intricately.

Basically, today American capitalism has entered the Brazilian mind via TV and through interaction with American tourist. This fact along with the opening of Brazilian society has led to explicit changes.

I am sure there are more domestic reasons for the shifts, too, but I can only speak of external influeces being an American.

TJ

Wanderer1000
02-26-06, 02:17
And I'm the king of Russia.

Rastaman,

It's about behavior. If you could move beyond your racial hatred of white people, you might begin to notice the substance in posts like Pluto2.

Double
02-26-06, 09:08
If you do not like what or who you see in Brazil when you get there, keep your ass at home. Don't go, stay home, it is that simple, keep your narrow minded asses at home.

DJ FourMoney
02-26-06, 09:33
Jak, that's uncalled for your comment towards rastaman, rastaman never said anything about hating white people.

I will admit it was TOO EASY for Pluto to identify them as "Black" or African-American. How come it just couldn't be some "unruly people" were forcing their way around the club. He further pushed his point across by saying that the DJ was playing nothing but Gangsta rap. That most likely isn't true, but even if it was, that's what the world be becoming.

I'll go even further and say that in Pluto's LIMITED sampling of girls, THEY didn't like the music, but I find a surpising number of Brazilians do like American Hip-Hop/R&B, all you have to do is look at the Popular music charts in Brazil it's not that hard to understand.

In fact Sampa Guide listens to my mixes....

I mean Help is a NIGHTCLUB what do you really expect to hear in there? The Bosa Nova, traditional Brazilian music or something? Nightclubs are for young people, not old farts that still listen to Steely Dan records like they haven't stopped recording.

Nevermind some of the hottest producers (beat makers) in Hip Hop Are in Fact WHITE or something other than BLACK.

Fredwreck isn't black, The Alchemist, isn't black (he's a rich jewish kid from Beverly Hills) and Scott Storch (Dre's keyboard player), isn't black he's Jewish, Tony D is white, ADOR is white, and I can continue, but the fact remains that music (and the people involved) and pop culture isn't what it was 20 years ago and it won't be what it is now 20 years from now.

Sorry but Hip-Hop (as culture) has taken over thangs, and it can't be stopped as long as the "white kids" keep buying into it afterall, so until that stops, it will keep spreading and getting larger and larger all the time.

and they said Hip Hop would have never amounted to anything back in the early 80s....

DJ FourMoney
02-26-06, 09:47
If you do not like what or who you see in Brazil when you get there, keep your ass at home. Don't go, stay home, it is that simple, keep your narrow minded asses at home.

I totally agree, I mean nobody is telling the white dudes that wear their baseball hats backwards, wear Khaki short, don't speak a lick of the local language, drink beer like its going to be illegal tomorrow, talk loudly in bars and eating areas, are in the habit of making excuses for overpaying or not getting the girl they want to stay home why should we?

Props to the Black Traveler, be you straight up or thugged out...

That doesn't mean I support rude behavior however.

Papa Wahala
02-26-06, 17:19
Ah, the good old days!

I am very keen to talk to the Brazilian guys and gals who are not a part of our "unique club" to listen to their impressions of the black and white gringos coming from the "North" who travel to Brazil.

As a guest in another country, behaving in a rude, obnoxious and culturally insensitive manner reflects poorly on the invidividual(s) involved and the country they represent, directly and indirectly.

That said, I don't buy the underlying inference that the white guys who have been traveling to Brazil prior to the inception of new "competition" from black guys means that white guys have been fine ambassadors for the USA.

I could be wrong and will find out soon, but feel pretty confident that seeing foreigners coming to your country for the past two decades with money to burn and intentions of using your women as sex toys has not left Brazilians with the finest impression of the "gringos from the USA."

White guys have held a mongering monopoly in Brazil and that is now changing in the new millenium. Like the dinosaurs, either learn to evolve with the changing times or find yourself getting left behind to fade into the shadows of mongering history.

One final point on rap music in Brazil. It is my hope that this interest will evolve into raising political conciousness among Brazilians, particularly the mulatta and Afro-Brazilians and lead to them to begin acting and speaking out against their historical and systemic marginalization under the farse of "racial democracy."

Seeing an end to those "good old days" will be a fine day indeed.

Pluto2
02-26-06, 20:58
Rasta, some food for thought:

Actually, the Brazilians think I am Brazilian or from SA until I open my mouth, then they usually think I am Argentinean. No blond hair or blue eyes, sorry.

When I am watching jerks pushing people around in a bar, I am so open minded that I listen to what people around me are saying to each other and don't automatically discount or ignore it. This is especially true when it is the locals speaking. As an American, it was embarrassing to listen to the comments that prostitutes were making about their behaviors since it was generalized to “Americans”. If you had ever been to Help, you would have noticed that some of the girls don't have blond hair, milk skin and blue eyes. I feel safe stating that most of them come from more humble circumstances than the pigs they were commenting about. So it’s difficult to simply discount their opinions as racially motivated.

The jerks that were exhibiting the pig behaviors depended on the fact that they were mixing with a bunch of mostly nice people that has passed through a metal detector. I doubt any of them would have the balls to go into a favella area or into a bar with lower economic strata Brazilians and exhibit the same behaviors.

Walking 15 across on the sidewalk is making a statement, not transportation.

As to gang rap music, why do the artists hate their mothers and sisters so much?

Actually, Brazilians make more than two kinds of music and they have their own pop music. So why listen to a bunch of low-lifes singing about how they hate women, can't follow simple rules and hope to kill other low-lifes some day so they can take over the street corner one block down? I agree that it is unfortunate that MTV, BET and other pop channels push this crap to kids. Crack for the young mind.

There are plenty of successful black males in professions, trades, government and the military worthy of emulation. Why kiss up to the bottom ten percent?

Papa Wahala
02-26-06, 21:41
Rastaman, Pluto

In recognition of your senior status on this forum, I look forward to your insightful thoughts on the pursuit of fine Brazilian women.

Thanks Pluto for acknowledging and giving praise to numerous successful African-American men who come in all socioeconomic levels and conduct themselves with dignity and self-respect wherever they are around the world.

I side with Rastaman that your initial submission can be interpreted as a racial slight. The fact that you can pass for a Brazilian until you speak does not bring much to the table when you consider that Brazil is a country whose population come from the African, European, Middle East and Asian diaspora.

If you had made the observation that a bunch of Americans were acting like jerks, I think we would not be having this discussion. However, your focus was not on the nationality of the alleged jerks but on their racial background. And that my friend is where there will be a disconnect with a number of us who are not willing to let a racial slight, no matter how subtle go unchallenged.

It is interesting that you make an additional generalized (and provocative) statement by saying that rappers hate women, their mothers and sisters and then offer the compliment about the number successful black men who provide ideal role models.

Unfortunately, I think the first part of your comment will drown out your complimentary observation. Kind of like when my dogs licks my face after cleaning his balls. :O)

The only thing I have learned from your comments is that you don't like rap music and rude people (particularly black gansta types) and that you wished upstanding African-American men were the standard bearers and role models in the black community..

OK, got the point. You are entitled to your point of view in the same way that Rastaman (and yours truly) are entitled to view your submission as being racially biased. Freedom of Expression and Thought: Thats what makes being an American so great!!

Now, got anything to share about chasing pussy in Brazil? :O)

Pluto2
02-26-06, 22:09
Greetings!

As to the "Hip Hop" music, a lot of it has a compelling sound, especially true since so much money is poured into production. No doubt a lot of talented artists crank this stuff out to get some of the bucks. I think M&Ms mother made the point that sonny made beautiful music but couldn't sell any of it, so he cashed in on rap. High profits attract more competitors.

However, like a lot of stuff I listened to when I was young, once you listen to the lyrics you toss it into the trash can. Most Brazilians don't understand the lyrics, just the beat.

As to how I identified the jerks exhibiting the pig behaviors, should I have described them as Martians? The Brazilians readily identified them as Americans, no hyphenation.

So a small group puts everyone else in the position of: defending their behaviors, discounting them because they are Martians or saying nothing while pros are ascribing a lot of negative impressions to "Americans".

I kept my mouth shut.

Member #4156
02-26-06, 23:55
Hey, does anybody know any websites where I can find some Brazilian Funk mixtapes? You know...the current stuff.

Papa Wahala
02-27-06, 00:43
Keldeson,

You might want to check out www.bahia-online.net/happenings.htm and proceed to Radio Bahia Online.

They have some great tunes.

Pluto2
02-27-06, 04:49
Google Brazilian music and number of on-line stores will pop that specialize in Brazilian music. Some are located in US if that is where you are located and may cut down on shipping fees.

Ee2002
02-27-06, 04:56
The lyrics to Brazilian funk is not exactly rated g either. LOL

Amerioca
02-27-06, 07:53
Info on the RJ baile funk scene can be found at :

http://www.furacao2000.com.br/agenda.php

As for morros, I rec. Salgueiro and Mangueira.

Member #4156
02-27-06, 08:58
Info on the RJ baile funk scene can be found at :

http://www.furacao2000.com.br/agenda.php

As for morros, I rec. Salgueiro and Mangueira.

Yeah, I got that CD already and the DVD. I want the street shit. You know, the stuff you hear in the termas and on the streets and places like Club Six. I was just looking for a website that sell mix cds or something.

DJ FourMoney
02-27-06, 10:18
I get tried of this overblown and washed out reason for diss'in the "bling" era of hip-hop. Underground has always had a problem of their message not reaching the public at large and frankly I could care less if their message gets out or not. I listen to it all and even some house that would have the Brazilians bouncin off the walls in happiness...

Underground is usually boring to dance too, if thought provoking.

I'm a Club DJ, not a side kick to the Heiroglyphics or The Freestyle Fellowship, Planet Asia or any of those other underground artists.

Also stop stealin lines from Q-Tip...



First off calling yourself a thug is saying your an ignorant motherfucer, I dont see how someone can glorify that word. Anyone that calls themslef a thug is a homo thug to me so I say fuck em. Now I have to to say Hip Hop is not pop if you call it that then stop, The reason I said that was because the stuff reaching club help, rio and brazil is pop not hip hop please dont get the 2 confused. Pop rap is a watered down sugarcoated noncreative sellout imiation form of real hip hop. So I dont really care if your djing for money cause I do it for the love and video's and commericial radio pop is not hip hop. That the difference pop rap on commericial radio and video have no love for the ART they are ONLY in it for the money, When you do that you bastardize it. So they can talk all the slang, wear all the gear steal all the beats but they are not making hip hop they are pop.

FUCKK ALL COMMERCIAL RAP BUYERS

DJ FourMoney
02-27-06, 10:37
Naa its cool Pluto, I don't mind other making comments about what they don't like about the black community, they a usually right...

We have deep seeded issues that will most likely take YEARS to even begin to solve. Its in our culture from the music, all the way down to how we raise our children. The media caters to the last 10%, I hated too put another "blame the media" flag out there, but its true.

The two hottest topics in the media that involved black people -

The Nation of Hip-Hop, its producers and artist

And Interracial Relationships, on the "come up" since the early 70's

Not serious issues that face people everyday, black, white or otherwise.

The only reason these subjects come up here more than any other place on this forum is because we're sharing space again and we don't all like what we see.

Black folk just go about daily life differently, its pretty simple. Thugish behavior is somewhat "normal". Ask anybody that's partied with mostly black folk someplace. It could be anywhere in the world and shhh has gone down more often than not. How come other people can party and get downright drunk and nobody is pullin out a knife, going down to the car to get the Nine double M or tryin to mack their best friend's g/f??

That's just NORMAL, it comes with being black, I except it. Until we can find it in ourselves to change how we behave, not only to each other, but to the world at large and see how foolish it looks, maybe then we'll begin to change.

Like I said I don't condone rude behavior, but am I really the one to be tellin somebody how to act when a gun could be pulled out on me? That's the sad reality of it, honestly. But we can talk about things that have gone down and make it seem like the funniest thing you ever heard about people getting trampled, gun toting thugs in a nightclub and people runnin in every direction.

I two would like to get back to talkin about bunta....



Greetings!

As to the "Hip Hop" music, a lot of it has a compelling sound, especially true since so much money is poured into production. No doubt a lot of talented artists crank this stuff out to get some of the bucks. I think M&Ms mother made the point that sonny made beautiful music but couldn't sell any of it, so he cashed in on rap. High profits attract more competitors.

However, like a lot of stuff I listened to when I was young, once you listen to the lyrics you toss it into the trash can. Most Brazilians don't understand the lyrics, just the beat.

As to how I identified the jerks exhibiting the pig behaviors, should I have described them as Martians? The Brazilians readily identified them as Americans, no hyphenation.

So a small group puts everyone else in the position of: defending their behaviors, discounting them because they are Martians or saying nothing while pros are ascribing a lot of negative impressions to "Americans".

I kept my mouth shut.

Panman
02-27-06, 10:38
Hey, does anybody know any websites where I can find some Brazilian Funk mixtapes? You know...the current stuff.


This website has alot of Funk from Rio as well as other brazilian music in mp3 format for download. I don't know if the music is recent. http://www.buscamp3.com.br

Ibiza007
02-27-06, 11:14
Current time in Rio, 7:10 am , just returned from Sambodromo. I wish I knew the thing lasted till 6:00 in the AM, and was still going when I left. I did not get there until 11:00 PM. so 7 hours of Samba later time for sleep. I did go to the bloco party in Flamengo, maybe 3-4000 people , it looked like. Pics later.

I must say it was a very impressive show, especially late in the night/early AM, the floats were amazing.

IBZ

Amerioca
02-27-06, 11:23
Yeah, I got that CD already and the DVD. I want the street shit. You know, the stuff you hear in the termas and on the streets and places like Club Six. I was just looking for a website that sell mix cds or something.

Ai mane, you will probably like this...> DJ Nitro - O Inicio de uma Era < Bought the CD at the open market in centro. More modern and mainstream funk beats. Often played at clubs. This, you should find online.

Not many of the clubs will play the old school funk. It addition, most online retailers will rarely sell such. A good portion of the songs are associated with the CV faction. I usually bought my mixed cds at the morros. Of course, they were pirata. Would rip them to my laptop, and give the CDs away.

I can burn you copies of what I have. Just PM me, valeu.

Big Bro AJ
02-27-06, 13:41
I am an active monger in Moscow and Istanbul sections.

My buddy and I were planning to arrange 5-7 days long tour to Cuba or Brazil in following months.

We read previous reports, but still have Qs.

Our budget will be approximately $2500(accomodation included) per person.

We only speak Russian, English, German and Turkish. None of us speak or understand Spanish or Portuguese.

We are at the parting of the ways.

We were planning to explore the beauties of Latino chicas. (I had a chance to taste some in Miami but nothing compare to homeland girls).

I sense that mongers keep complaining about the police and reminisce the good old days.

Are we in dream for Cuba and change our route to Brazil?

Either way,

Is our budget enough for such trip?
We are aware that speaking the language is very important, but even though do we have a chance to monger?
Is it possible to rent secure and clean apartments? Or just stay at hotel?

Thanks in advance,

AJ


PS: This message posted in both Brazil and Cuba sections.

Pluto2
02-27-06, 16:46
2500/7=357 US a day is very doable in Brazil.

The real question is the style you want to travel in? Hotel can be had for 50-100 a night, garotas for the same per pop, so that leaves plenty for other activities.

Unlike most of Western Europe, most people don't speak English in Brazil. At the hotels English is spoken. It’s once you leave the hotel you may have problems. Good restaurants should be no problem.

Rio is accustomed to having a lot of tourists, so you can probably get by there with minimal difficulty. Maybe some of the others can comment, but I don't think that too many of the garotas (girls) will speak English.

If you limit yourself to the termas, the management can always translate for you since this is their business. The night clubs will be difficult, you can communicate with a paper and pencil but I don't know how much fun that will be.

My suggestion: go for Rio, book into a good Hotel with a double room to save some money if you and your friend don't mind giving up a little privacy. I suggest staying in Apaudor (sp) between Ipanema and Copa on the point. It’s easy to walk or cab to all locations from there and the beach is right there. Parthenon has some great rooms and service. Eat at the juice bars; my fav is the Eclipse. You can spend between 100-500 US a night in Rio for a good hotel, the question is what do you want out of the room?

Rio, for all of its drawbacks, is one of the most beautiful large cities in the world. Read the Bubba Guide.

PS the boards on Moscow and Turkey always sound so bleak when I read them. Overpriced with low quality and detached service. If you have some better info, PM me the details.

Lorenzo
02-27-06, 17:00
big bro aj,

if you read the brazil and cuba forums thoroughly, you will find most of your questions answered, including recommendations for hotels and agencies through which to rent apartments. your budget of $2500 for 5-7 days should be quite adequate if you stay at a moderately priced hotel or rent an apartment; i assuming that that amount doesn't include air fare.

as far as choosing between brazil and cuba: i have mongered many, many times in brazil and once in cuba. i have said repeatedly on this forum that rio is the mongering capital of the world, and that brazilian women are the world's finest as far as sexual experiences go. cuban women are nearly equal to brasileiras in physical beauty and enthusiasm for sex, but there is much less variety of physical type. cuba is much cheaper, especially if you stay in a casa particular after the mandatory one or two days in the state-owned hotel, so your money would go much further there. in fact, you would probably have a good bit left over. but never forget that cuba is a police state and that government policy strongly discourages sexual tourism. there are periodic crackdowns on sex workers, during which the mongering scene completely dries up. also 'jinateras,' as sex workers are called there, risk being arrested or at least being hassled by the police if they are seen talking to foreigners. during the crackdowns they are sent en masse to 're-education' camps to learn the error of their ways. so mongering needs to be done on the sly. under no circumstances can you bring a girl back to your hotel, but you may do so if you are staying at a casa particular. usually the girl will offer to bring you back to her place, which will seem quite squalid by us-western european standards. i have never been in a cuban chica's apartment where they even had a toilet seat--just the bare bowl. chicas squat over the bowl to [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134), and i assume to take a dump as well. toilet seats appear to be nonexistent in cuban private homes.

other comparisons: rio is a dangerous city, and you have to be constantly vigilant and use common sense not to be the victim of a street crime, even in broad daylight. by contrast, street crime is practically nonexistent in cuba. tourism is what keeps cuba afloat, so crimes against tourists are punished harshly. incidentally, mongers will never be bothered by the police for mongering in cuba, but they will go after the chicas. i was told by another monger that there is at least one brothel in havana, but i was never able to find it. in rio there are brothels all over the place, called termas, and they are wonderful. all mongering in brazil can be done quite openly. one final thing: without knowing at least a little portuguese, your ability to monger in brazil will be severely hampered, especially when it comes to negotiating prices. this wouldn't be a problem at termas, where prices are set. but it's always nice to be able to engage your chica in light conversation; that makes for a better gfe. in cuba, some chicas will speak english, but most will not. in cuba there are no termas, so negotiating skills are essential. you should at least learn the numbers in both languages.

so ultimately the choice is yours. if it were me, i would choose brazil, but you are you and i'm me. whatever your choice, you'll have a great time, because imho latina women are the best in the world. hope this helps.

lorenzo

Cunnilinguist
02-27-06, 19:38
big bro aj,

if you read the brazil and cuba forums thoroughly, you will find most of your questions answered, including recommendations for hotels and agencies through which to rent apartments. your budget of $2500 for 5-7 days should be quite adequate if you stay at a moderately priced hotel or rent an apartment; i assuming that that amount doesn't include air fare.

as far as choosing between brazil and cuba: i have mongered many, many times in brazil and once in cuba. i have said repeatedly on this forum that rio is the mongering capital of the world, and that brazilian women are the world's finest as far as sexual experiences go. cuban women are nearly equal to brasileiras in physical beauty and enthusiasm for sex, but there is much less variety of physical type. cuba is much cheaper, especially if you stay in a casa particular after the mandatory one or two days in the state-owned hotel, so your money would go much further there. in fact, you would probably have a good bit left over. but never forget that cuba is a police state and that government policy strongly discourages sexual tourism. there are periodic crackdowns on sex workers, during which the mongering scene completely dries up. also 'jinateras,' as sex workers are called there, risk being arrested or at least being hassled by the police if they are seen talking to foreigners. during the crackdowns they are sent en masse to 're-education' camps to learn the error of their ways. so mongering needs to be done on the sly. under no circumstances can you bring a girl back to your hotel, but you may do so if you are staying at a casa particular. usually the girl will offer to bring you back to her place, which will seem quite squalid by us-western european standards. i have never been in a cuban chica's apartment where they even had a toilet seat--just the bare bowl. chicas squat over the bowl to [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134), and i assume to take a dump as well. toilet seats appear to be nonexistent in cuban private homes.

other comparisons: rio is a dangerous city, and you have to be constantly vigilant and use common sense not to be the victim of a street crime, even in broad daylight. by contrast, street crime is practically nonexistent in cuba. tourism is what keeps cuba afloat, so crimes against tourists are punished harshly. incidentally, mongers will never be bothered by the police for mongering in cuba, but they will go after the chicas. i was told by another monger that there is at least one brothel in havana, but i was never able to find it. in rio there are brothels all over the place, called termas, and they are wonderful. all mongering in brazil can be done quite openly. one final thing: without knowing at least a little portuguese, your ability to monger in brazil will be severely hampered, especially when it comes to negotiating prices. this wouldn't be a problem at termas, where prices are set. but it's always nice to be able to engage your chica in light conversation; that makes for a better gfe. in cuba, some chicas will speak english, but most will not. in cuba there are no termas, so negotiating skills are essential. you should at least learn the numbers in both languages.

so ultimately the choice is yours. if it were me, i would choose brazil, but you are you and i'm me. whatever your choice, you'll have a great time, because imho latina women are the best in the world. hope this helps.

lorenzo


hello lorenzo

thanks, for your great posts, they are very consistent, always full of info and insight. i'm not sure if you’re from the states but i'd like to know this...as for american mongers that visit cuba do they run into any risks with the government and is prostitution in cuba legal. i have read some of the cuban forum but i've not seen definitive posts on the american angle.



the cunninglinguist

Rio Bob
02-27-06, 21:13
2500/7=357 US a day is very doable in Brazil.


My suggestion: go for Rio, book into a good Hotel with a double room to save some money if you and your friend don't mind giving up a little privacy. .

You may not save much money doing this as I don't think any hotel even if they are girl friendly will not let 2 girls and 2 guys in one room so if that is what you want then someone will have to go to a motel and pay extra.

Draksterr
02-27-06, 21:38
Hello my fellow mongers- Was in Rio last summer (exchange rate much better then) will submit pictures to photo gallery soon (look out). I'm going back in may til august and i was wondering about the brothels located in copacabana. I found one across from the park down the street from the citibank on copa ave. i don't remember the name thou-it was narrow steps leading up to one-i think the name was 55 something. anyway i'm trying to find some more of these located around that area for when i go back in a few months. Can't do the terma's everyday for 4 months-anybody got any info on cheap brothel locations in this area

I can always go to vila mimosa but i need something close for the lazy nights when i step out my apartment located around help.

Lorenzo
02-28-06, 06:34
I'm not sure if you’re from the states but I'd like to know this...as for American mongers that visit Cuba do they run into any risks with the government and is prostitution in Cuba legal. I have read some of the Cuban forum but I've not seen definitive posts on the American angle.



The CunningLinguist
Cunlinguist,

Yes, I'm from the states, aka sex prison (Jackson's term). When you ask if Americans mongering in Cuba 'run into any risks with the government,' I'm not sure if you mean the US or Cuban government. If you mean the US government, then the answer is yes, you may get in big trouble if you go to Cuba illegally and get caught. It could mean a heavy fine. It is possible for Americans to go to Cuba legally, which is what I did, but you must go on a charter flight and have a valid reason for going; I went there to do research. If you mean the Cuban government, the answer is no. Once you're in the country, they don't distinguish between Americans and other tourists. The Cubans pretty much leave tourists alone, because tourists are their bread and butter. If anyone is likely to get in trouble as a result of mongering, it will be the girl. I don't know for sure, but I'm almost certain that prostitution is illegal in Cuba, because Castro has had a bug up his ass about prostitution all his life, primarily for political reasons--it's a symbol of capitalist decadence, etc.

Anyway, I suggest you check the Cuba forum and you'll find all of these issues discussed there in considerable detail. Hope this helps.

Lorenzo

I Jags
02-28-06, 06:52
Anyone ever been there?

Pluto2
02-28-06, 17:10
Check the other areas posts, there are reports. As Jwadd suggests, with a good taxi and a local paper you can scope the local scene in about one hour.

Cunnilinguist
02-28-06, 17:55
Cunlinguist,

Yes, I'm from the states, aka sex prison (Jackson's term). When you ask if Americans mongering in Cuba 'run into any risks with the government,' I'm not sure if you mean the US or Cuban government. If you mean the US government, then the answer is yes, you may get in big trouble if you go to Cuba illegally and get caught. It could mean a heavy fine. It is possible for Americans to go to Cuba legally, which is what I did, but you must go on a charter flight and have a valid reason for going; I went there to do research. If you mean the Cuban government, the answer is no. Once you're in the country, they don't distinguish between Americans and other tourists. The Cubans pretty much leave tourists alone, because tourists are their bread and butter. If anyone is likely to get in trouble as a result of mongering, it will be the girl. I don't know for sure, but I'm almost certain that prostitution is illegal in Cuba, because Castro has had a bug up his ass about prostitution all his life, primarily for political reasons--it's a symbol of capitalist decadence, etc.

Anyway, I suggest you check the Cuba forum and you'll find all of these issues discussed there in considerable detail. Hope this helps.

Lorenzo



Lorenzo


Thanks, on the info, excuse the vagueness, the question was in reference to the Cuban gov..



Thanks,
The CunningLinguist

George90
02-28-06, 23:02
AJ,

Lorenzo has given excellent advice. What he wrote is very true. I am not American so I am allowed to spend money in Cuba. I made one trip there several years ago. As has been written, if you are American you need to consider the possibility of the Treasury dept. catching you on your return. They check the consistency of your visa stamps. While Cuba doesn't stamp your passport, the country from which you enter and leave Cuba, say Mexico, Bahamas, or Canada, DO stamp your passport. So on 1 trip to Mexico, you will have 2 entry and 2 exit stamps when you return to the US.

Another issue that has not been discussed is flight costs and time. Flying to Cuba is not nearly as costly or time consuming as flying to Brazil. Even if you live in San Francisco, flying to Cuba will take around 5 hours to Cancun Mexico, and then another hour to Cuba. Flying to Brazil will be 4 hours to Houston and then 10 hours to Rio. Ticket prices to Brazil are running $1,500 USD and up right now due to Carnaval.

Gladiator
02-28-06, 23:19
I’ve been to both and I think that Rio beats Havana for mongering hands down, so if you can only visit one of them stick to Rio.

Rio Bob
03-01-06, 00:08
I sense that mongers keep complaining about the police and reminisce the good old days.



Since I am the one doing the reminiscing I just want to say that I never said I don’t like Rio now as a matter of fact I do, of course it has changed. I am still going to Rio and I do because I am having a great time there no matter what the changes have been.

Many mongers in Rio don’t speak the language and they still have a good time but you have to go the first time and who knows you might get hooked like the rest of us and start learning Portuguese so that you can at least have some basic conversation with the girls.

I recommend that you and your friend both get a 2 bedroom apartment so that you can have your freedom and the money you mention should be enough for your time frame. Because today it is expensive in Rio at least $200 a day for food/drinks/girls is needed.

BootyTapper
03-01-06, 02:47
Since I am the one doing the reminiscing I just want to say that I never said I don’t like Rio now as a matter of fact I do, of course it has changed. I am still going to Rio and I do because I am having a great time there no matter what the changes have been.

Many mongers in Rio don’t speak the language and they still have a good time but you have to go the first time and who knows you might get hooked like the rest of us and start learning Portuguese so that you can at least have some basic conversation with the girls.

I recommend that you and your friend both get a 2 bedroom apartment so that you can have your freedom and the money you mention should be enough for your time frame. Because today it is expensive in Rio at least $200 a day for food/drinks/girls is needed.Rio Bob hopefully a large majority of the $200 is for girls. Also I hope you meant Reals and not Dollars. You can eat good in Rio, just don't get caught in the tourist traps. MP food is ok, not good but its expensive. Visit a churrasco, buy your food at one of the supermarkets on Copacabana Ave, or deli shops. There are so many options and ways to get around it. One of the main keys besides common sense to stretching your money in Rio is learning the language. This helps a great deal because although most of the girls want you to teach them English, they are impressed that you are even trying to communicate with them in their language. I know couple of the girls I still talk to insist I speak to them in Portuguese so I can practice it. They think its so funny also because they hear you struggling with their language just like they struggle to speak ours. Just make sure when you are tapping them to make them scream your name, its sounds damn good in any language!

Sunset Strip
03-02-06, 00:09
If you get a cheap ticket to Rio and are concerned about flight miles be sure to check your airline website before purchasing.

On Continental Q class tickets you only receive 50% of your mileage for elite qualifications. So those of you who fly to Rio twice a year on CO thinking you will still make elite things have changed.

I now fly Delta to Rio because CO and Northwest still give you 100% elite miles on Rio flights.

With Rio becoming more expensive one of the perks left is making elite on the cheap, so read the fine print of your frequent flyer account before booking.

Also, if you know where to get cheap tickets (under $800) and you see a sudeen rise in price, just ignore it. Yesterday rates from CA went up $400 suddenly but went back down to $770 this morning. So do not just jump on a thousand dollar ticket in coach; keep checking back.


TJ

The Watcher
03-02-06, 02:31
Rio Bob hopefully a large majority of the $200 is for girls. Also I hope you meant Reals and not Dollars. You can eat good in Rio, just don't get caught in the tourist traps. MP food is ok, not good but its expensive. Visit a churrasco, buy your food at one of the supermarkets on Copacabana Ave, or deli shops. There are so many options and ways to get around it. One of the main keys besides common sense to stretching your money in Rio is learning the language. This helps a great deal because although most of the girls want you to teach them English, they are impressed that you are even trying to communicate with them in their language. I know couple of the girls I still talk to insist I speak to them in Portuguese so I can practice it. They think its so funny also because they hear you struggling with their language just like they struggle to speak ours. Just make sure when you are tapping them to make them scream your name, its sounds damn good in any language!Actually, you can make it on 200 Reais a day. I, however, cannot make it on 200 Reais because I am on vacation in Rio and I like to have a little luxury. Accordingly, I go to a termas such as 4x4, Monte Carlo and Centaurus and that will cost at least 200 Reais but usually closer to 300 Reais (and in excess of 300 Reais at Centaurus).

I also go to boites where the entrance fee averages 40 Reais. If I leave with a girl, that is at least 150 Reais (but not more than 200).

Food costs also add up to large sums even if you eat at the cheaper places. For example, eating at a kilo place will cost at least 10 Reais and eating at a cheap but good churrascaria like Monchique will cost at least 25 Reais. But, since your boys hang out at the tourist outdoor restaurants like MP, you have to eat there to hang out with them. And, in the spirit of comraderie, you will pick up the bill sometimes. As you can see, the food bill just grows and grows.

I guess I live like Rio Bob when I am in Rio because I probably average 200 dollars a day for my Rio vacations. And since the exchange rate is not in my favor now, I might average more than 200 dollars a day on my next trip.

But this also means I will not be able to stay as long as I usually do; however, as I always say, a little bit of Rio is better than no Rio at all.

Amerioca
03-02-06, 07:46
If you get a cheap ticket to Rio and are concerned about flight miles be sure to check your airline website before purchasing.

On Continental Q class tickets you only receive 50% of your mileage for elite qualifications. So those of you who fly to Rio twice a year on CO thinking you will still make elite things have changed.

I now fly Delta to Rio because CO and Northwest still give you 100% elite miles on Rio flights.

With Rio becoming more expensive one of the perks left is making elite on the cheap, so read the fine print of your frequent flyer account before booking.

Also, if you know where to get cheap tickets (under $800) and you see a sudeen rise in price, just ignore it. Yesterday rates from CA went up $400 suddenly but went back down to $770 this morning. So do not just jump on a thousand dollar ticket in coach; keep checking back.


TJ

Tickets from CLE have been $800 to $400 to $540 in the past weeks.

Jaimito Cartero
03-02-06, 09:11
On Continental Q class tickets you only receive 50% of your mileage for elite qualifications. So those of you who fly to Rio twice a year on CO thinking you will still make elite things have changed.

Doesn't this only apply if you don't buy on the CO website, and/or credit to another airline partner?

Exec Talent
03-02-06, 16:07
Some of you, especially those who have been here before, are going to be a little sticker shocked when you come to Rio now. Not only is the exchange rate down, but also prices for pretty much everything are up. My girl and I like a little neighborhood kilo place for lunch and it is hard to get out of there for less than R$36. At 3:1 this is about 12 USD or $6 a piece. Not bad. At 2:1 this is about $9 a piece. 2 Liter Coke is about R$2.60. At 2:1 that is $1.30. Close to what you pay in some markets in the US.

My point is if you are coming to Rio with the idea that you are going to have a cheap vacation. You might want to think again.

Beary Azoo
03-02-06, 16:35
Let me preface this by saying I have done a search and found nothing, sorry if this is redundant.

When I applied for my visa to Brazil they asked me for my itinerary and then gave me my visa. I am scheduled to stay in brazil 36 days, the embassy only gave me 30 days. I don’t live in the US so I thought I wil deal with while I am here in Brazil.

My question is has anyone from the US ever overstayed their visa? If so what happens when you leave, a fine? If s how much?

Thanks,

Frank

PS I travel a lot I have over stayed my visa in Thailand and it was a small fine.

Beary Azoo
03-02-06, 16:49
Hello Lorenzo

Thanks, for your great posts, they are very consistent, always full of info and insight. I'm not sure if you’re from the states but I'd like to know this...as for American mongers that visit Cuba do they run into any risks with the government and is prostitution in Cuba legal. I have read some of the Cuban forum but I've not seen definitive posts on the American angle.

The CunningLinguistAlso remember since Bush is at war and has tightened pressure on Cuba. Cuba doesn't exchange US$ anymore. You can find places, however most wil charge you a service fee of up to 10%. The best thing to do would be exchange the $2500 to Euro and then enjoy. Please remember take a little extra for emergencies. US credit cards can't be used there.

Frank

Track Star
03-02-06, 17:00
Track Star here,

Just want to add my cents worth..Yes food at MP is not that great and spendy too..plus the waiters there in my experience tend to try to pad the bills....

If you want to eat cheap and good buffet style with large selection..go to Siqueirra Grill at Rua Siqueirra Campos.

Good food, good Sushi, meat and great dessert selection too.

Lorenzo
03-02-06, 17:44
To all veteran Rio mongers:

Here's a point that deserves serious consideration: based on the numerous posts about the drastic rise in the cost of mongering in Rio--based on not only the falling exchange rate but also the rise in prices as well, apparently in termas, restaurants, and even in what the garotas in Help are asking--it's time to ask the previously unthinkable question: is it time to move on? Yes, Rio is mongering paradise, but one of the sad lessons I've learned from life is that nearly all good things come to an end. As if the rise in prices isn't bad enough, we also have more and more girls in the termas refusing to give BBBJs, something that was once unheard of. It seems that Rio is finally losing its innocence.

So I'm wondering if it might not be to our advantage as hobbyists to consider finding another mongering spot, at least temporarily, until the exchange rate gets back to at least 3:1 or even 4:1, if it ever does. However, I think the price increases and attitude changes may be irreversible.

I am now retired, so I have plenty of time and money to travel. In March and April I will be traveling through Central America, and in July and August I will be using a One World air pass to travel through all of South America, except maybe the 3 Guiana countries. I plan to monger in as many of these countries as I can, hopefully in all. I hope to find a hidden gem. Mongers can be assured that I will report what I find for everyone to take into consideration. I think we already know about Costa Rica, Buenos Aires, and Cartagena. They all seem to be overrun with gringo mongers already. From what I have already read on this board, I have high hopes for places like El Salvador and (especially) Ecuador, for example. The problem with the reports on those forums is that no one makes comparisons to Rio, for example. After I've been there and sampled the goods, I plan to do exactly that.

I would be curious to hear the opinions of other Rio mongers on this issue. Has anyone considered moving on, and if so, have you explored other mongering sites and contrasted them with Rio. Let's hear from you if you have.

Lorenzo

Bubba Boy
03-02-06, 18:14
Lorenzo, My good friend. I hear what you are saying and agree with everything you have said. My 2 cents: I travel all around the world, pretty much 11 months of the year, I keep saying the same thing as you. Rio is definitely getting more expensive and changing. Having said that, the more times I go, the more local knowledge I build and the less money I tend to spend. I think it will still be good for a few more years yet, who knows after that. Out of all the countries I have been to nothing compares to Rio, I would say daylight is second, then maybe eastern Europe third (non pros at the expat bars are the go - cost the same as pros with dinner, expenses etc though).

A possible solution: Another place in Brasil could be the answer, once away from Copa things are still dirt cheap. I personally prefer the "morena" type (brunette, mixed color skin), don't particularly like the blonde/light skin look (sampa and south is out), mulattas with the "killer body" look would be my second preference. Hence the north of Brasil could be the next big thing, apartments are cheap, living expenses are a fraction of what you would pay in Zona Sul in Rio. I am going North this year for a few months.

Track Star
03-02-06, 19:13
Bubba Boy,

After the trip to the North of Brazil..be kind enough to make sure that you give us your detailed report.

This may become a very interesting alternative to Rio since I like the darker types like you..not blondes..what about exotic girls in the Manaus region?? Been there??

Track Star

Member #4156
03-02-06, 21:53
And all of my friends thought I was tripping when I told them about my last Rio experience and expressed my urgency for traveling to the North. Hmmm. Looks like we all share something in common. However, I'm known for having a low attention span and can get bored very easily so I thought it was just me.

Veterano
03-02-06, 22:30
Beary ~ better check with your carrier ~ usually the airlines examine visa very carefully and will not allow you to board without proper papers ~ not to mention the examination you will get at Brasil Immigration

Boa Sorte, Veterano

Rio Bob
03-02-06, 22:51
I guess I live like Rio Bob when I am in Rio because I probably average 200 dollars a day for my Rio vacations. And since the exchange rate is not in my favor now, I might average more than 200 dollars a day on my next trip.

But this also means I will not be able to stay as long as I usually do; however, as I always say, a little bit of Rio is better than no Rio at all.

LOL, yes my last trip to Rio this past December I brought with me a per diem amount of $200 American dollars. This was not even enough as some dinners I used my credit card and I even found myself going to the cash machine twice.

This is not counting my apartment this is just for food/drinks/girls. Unfortunately I like to eat good(Dom Camillo with a bottle of imported wine), drink good(Black Label and red bull) and I like to pull out one of the nice one$ from Help for a TLN.

I am scaling back as I said before because this last trip I didn't even go to Satyricon and have several bottles of wine with my date, my next trip I may scale back even more, I might even try one of those kilo places I see all over Copa of which I have never been too but I don't know if they are going to be as much fun as Dom Camillo..

Lorenzo
03-02-06, 23:10
Where is Dom Camillo? I never heard of it.

Rio Bob
03-02-06, 23:25
Where is Dom Camillo? I never heard of it.

Dom Camillo is probably one of the best restaurants in Copacabana, it's Italian style with excellent service and food. When I'm alone I usually eat outside and when I want to seduce a new woman I eat inside where they have live music roaming singing various Italian opera arias. It is located Av. Atlantica, 3056 - Copacabana - Rio de Janeiro. This is on the block of Rua Bolivar, restaurant Cabrall 1800 is on the corner, Dom Camillo is right next to it. There are trips sometimes where I eat there almost every night, it's perfectly located, I sit down about 11 PM to have dinner, it takes me about an hour or so then when I am finished happy and full I walk the 2 blocks to Help to finish off the rest of the night, works every time.

Houston Player
03-02-06, 23:36
Beary,

Yes it would be a fine but I don't know how much but six days shouldn't be too much. However you can avoid even that if you go to I think the Federal Police in Brazil and get your stay extended.

Amerioca
03-03-06, 00:10
Where is Dom Camillo? I never heard of it.

Food is pretty good. Make a left when exiting Help. The restaurant is a few blocks down.

Rio Bob
03-03-06, 00:23
Diddy in Rio de Janeiro; Partying, Night Club and Callgirls?
By GNEXTINC.com

GNEXTINC.com Diddy Fan Blog - Mar. 2006


Jeannette Walls from MSNBC.com's The Scoop gossip, reports the Diddy was spotted in Brazil at a well-known hang-out for cheap call girls.

"The rap impresario is in Brazil, enjoying Carnival, where he was spotted by reporters slipping into a hot spot known for its low-priced call girls, reports our source in Rio. "The name of the place is 'Help' and the girls there are supposed to be the cheapest prostitutes in the city," says the source." The Scope

The articles continue to go on to say, Diddy was at Brazil's most popular club with girlfriend Kim Porter. If there were prostitutes he wouldn't know, says a close Combs source... Combs spent the week in Rio, for the Samba parade 14 samba groups, in 80 minute parades which include two night of partying in streets till sun rise... Now Diddy does party worldwide!

Ezinho
03-03-06, 00:24
When I applied for my visa to Brazil they asked me for my itinerary and then gave me my visa. I am scheduled to stay in brazil 36 days, the embassy only gave me 30 days. I don’t live in the US so I thought I wil deal with while I am here in Brazil.

My question is has anyone from the US ever overstayed their visa? If so what happens when you leave, a fine? If s how much?


I've never overstayed my visa, but when I lived in Brasil last year, I ended up meeting quite a few foreigners who had overstayed their visas. There seemed to be two types of people who overstayed; poor backpacker types who landed shitty jobs teaching English and somehow managed to live off their R600 a month salary (its safe to assume they never hit up any termas lol) and the `regulars´who hang out at Meia Pataca day after day. I got the impression that they were kind of shady, and I wouldn't really recommend hanging out with them (one guy, for example, sells burned Pimsulear Portuguese CDs from his table at MP for R300! To whomever is buying that crap: please stop lol). So, to answer your questions, I know a couple a people who overstayed their visas, and before they left the country, immigration would stamp something into their passport, pretty much stating that they needed to pay X amount of money in order to return to Brasil. But whether you pay the fine at the consulate once you make it back home, or can pay it when you return, I'm not sure. The guys I know just decided to get new passports, without the stamp from immigration.

Lorenzo: Sounds like you're going to have a good time traveling around South America! I could never understand the guys that just go to Rio over and over again, seems to me it would get kinda boring, but what do I know. Anyways remember to give that Colombiana I met here in Quito a call when you're in Colombia...

Rio Lover #2
03-03-06, 01:13
my next trip I may scale back even more, I might even try one of those kilo places I see all over Copa of which I have never been too but I don't know if they are going to be as much fun as Dom Camillo..[/QUOTE]


The Siqueira grill is one of the best in Copacabana a lot of different dishes and a great sushi (for me it`s one of the best I have ever eaten) Best Sushi in Rio is in the Marriott Hotel in the Sushi Bar. I think the Siqueira grill is a good runner-up.

RL

Rastaman
03-03-06, 02:14
Brazil's Minister of Tourism, Walfrido dos Mares Guia, speaking at the São Paulo Industrial Federation (Federação das Indústrias do Estado de São Paulo) (Fiesp), said he was in favor of eliminating the visa requirement for US tourists.

Mares Guia said the visa and a mandatory payment of US$ 100 was holding back the development of tourism in Brazil.

The Minister suggested that the visa could be issued when the US tourist arrives in Brazil, rather than beforehand (which would reduce red tape), and that the US$ 100 tax could be eliminated.

Spokespersons at the ministry said the proposed changes had gotten a favorable reception in Congress where a bill dealing with the subject is expected to be voted on by the end of March.

However, the Ministry of Foreign Relations says it is against eliminating the visa requirement based on the principle of reciprocity. In South America, only Brazil and Paraguay require US tourists to have visas, and only Brazil charges the US$100 tax.

George90
03-03-06, 02:38
To all veteran Rio mongers:

So I'm wondering if it might not be to our advantage as hobbyists to consider finding another mongering spot, at least temporarily, until the exchange rate gets back to at least 3:1 or even 4:1, if it ever does. However, I think the price increases and attitude changes may be irreversible.

I would be curious to hear the opinions of other Rio mongers on this issue. Has anyone considered moving on, and if so, have you explored other mongering sites and contrasted them with Rio. Let's hear from you if you have.

Lorenzo

I have mongered in NE Brazil, especially Salvador. My comparison to DR, CR, Curacao, Colombia (Cartagena), is that, FOR ME, nothing compares with Brazil! Brazil has more of the type of women I find extremely sexy. Brazil has more of the women who are willing to do what I enjoy doing. Brazil has more women with open/liberal attitudes towards men and sex. Brazil has more women who are comfortable with their femininity and sensuality.

The dollar will have to fall a great deal, to par, for me to give up on Brazil.

Beary Azoo
03-03-06, 02:51
Yeah the airlines didn't spot it. I am here in Brazil now. I tried to go to Centro to the Policia Federal office today. I tried to find the requirements on the web to no avail. So I get there and after waiting in line for a couple of hours to find out that you have to print out a form from the internet and go to a certain bank to pay the fee and return. I think I’ll take my chances at the airport.

If any one knows the aprox. fine it would be of much help.

Thanks,

Beary

Lorenzo
03-03-06, 05:45
Sorry guys, I do know the place; in fact, I have eaten there. It is very good. I just forgot the name. Never throught about picking up a woman there; I'll keep that in mind next time.

Lorenzo

Lorenzo
03-03-06, 05:49
Anyways remember to give that Colombiana I met here in Quito a call when you're in Colombia...
You can count on it!

Lorenzo
03-03-06, 05:51
In South America, only Brazil and Paraguay require US tourists to have visas, and only Brazil charges the US$100 tax.
Suriname requires a visa as well.

Double
03-03-06, 07:14
tj fanatic, you mentioned that thug life for african americans is being portrayed by the media to make money. i dont know where you get this. thats like saying child molesting and serial killing is being portryed by the media against white people to make money. the truth is the truth.when msnbc did their 3rd installment of child molesters going to the houses of kids to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) them with hidden cameras.what did you see. fucking white people.when they show ghettos that are trashed and full of drug dealers and gangs. they are almost always black areas.crackers have a major problem with molesting kids and black people have a major problem with the thug life. black people look up to gang bangers and criminals.its a problem in your community. bloods, crypts and drug dealing is a way of life for poor black people. poor whites do not commit these crimes at the same rate as poor black kids.as soon as black kids realize that their new slave owner is not whites but drug dealers,gangs and this so called"street cred", the sooner everyone's life gets better.whites and blacks will probably never truly get along. there is too much hostility and racism on black people's part and then in turn, white people give it like they recieve it. i always said every bit of racism i learned was from blacks. not my fellow crackers.
this post demonstrates a common ignorance that is found in the us. when you generalize or paint entire groups of people with one brush, you’re true colors show.

you may not realize it but there are ghettos with poor meth and crack addicted whites all across the country. in these white hoods they do nothing but sit around smoking dope and swilling beer that was purchased with government money, and all the while blaming the world for all of their problems. the biggest goals they have in their life is to get on ssi and get a trailer.

an ignorant man will look at cops and jerry springer and assume that all white folks is like that. the gang problem in these hoods is also real bad. they call themselves the klan, or militia, or some wanna be biker group, not to leave out the skin heads, and they drive around looking for young women and children to terrorize, so to feel in control and powerful. most of the white folks in these hoods are extremely racist and hostile. the hate runs so deep that they have been know to kill a man or woman just because they are the wrong color.

as soon as white kids realize that not all americans of color are thugs, drug dealers, poor, pimps, addicts, nannies, and gardeners, the sooner they will begin to benefit from the enlightenment that comes from putting down stereotypes’ and growing beyond the hatred and insecurities that come from holding on to prejudice and ignorance.

Ee2002
03-03-06, 13:37
tj fanatic, you mentioned that thug life for african americans is being portrayed by the media to make money. i dont know where you get this. thats like saying child molesting and serial killing is being portryed by the media against white people to make money. the truth is the truth.when msnbc did their 3rd installment of child molesters going to the houses of kids to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) them with hidden cameras.what did you see. fucking white people.when they show ghettos that are trashed and full of drug dealers and gangs. they are almost always black areas.crackers have a major problem with molesting kids and black people have a major problem with the thug life. black people look up to gang bangers and criminals.its a problem in your community. bloods, crypts and drug dealing is a way of life for poor black people. poor whites do not commit these crimes at the same rate as poor black kids.as soon as black kids realize that their new slave owner is not whites but drug dealers,gangs and this so called"street cred", the sooner everyone's life gets better.whites and blacks will probably never truly get along. there is too much hostility and racism on black people's part and then in turn, white people give it like they recieve it. i always said every bit of racism i learned was from blacks. not my fellow crackers.i guess instead of just wearing a white hood to hide their identity, some dudes just get usernames and log on to isg and wsg,lol. what a piece of work.these mongering sites are getting to be a real drag, can't wait to get back to rio again soon and do the real deal.

Beary Azoo
03-03-06, 15:22
With the popularity of black and white Rap and Hip hop and come of the crossover rock bands with a rap influence. The thug life has been glamorized to the point that you get thuggish posers in every class if society , Black, White, Latin, or Asian. And the gang life of drug dealing and street crime is in no way monopolized by any one race.

You want to see what happens in a real poverty stricken segment of society. Go to one of the flavelas I Rio, if you’ve got the balls. Especially in the “City of God” by the VIPs motel. The Flavelas in Rio are controlled by the drug dealers. These are not thug gangsta types that you see portrayed in movies these are highly organized criminal enterprises. They control everything. They will tell security who is allowed to come and go. They control crime, no one will be stolen from and those that steal will be dealt with harshly. Example my house keeper, she had a son he was a runner for a drug cartel, he was 9 years old. He was running money from one small dealer to the place they counted the money that day. Along the way he was robbed at knife point (this could be a blind eye of the mother he might have stolen it him self). The amount was 150 real I have know idea what this meant 10years ago relating to exchange rates. He ran away to flavela that was on the other side of the city called Rocinha. He thought he would be safe in an area controlled by a different cartel. After about 6 months he returned home only he was not alive. His throat was cut and he was hung by his feet above the door to his mothers house as a warning. I saw personally in the cidade do deus a drug lords car stop another car for not pulling over far enough for the DL car to get by. He shot the driver and a passer by in the crossfire.

Americans in general have no Idea what real poverty is. I say in general because the homeless man who is not addicted or mentally ill will have an Idea. But the family on welfare with TV’s and DVD players and a cars have no idea. They are poor but not poverty stricken. This fallacy of a poverty line in the United States is a farce. I have traveled the world over and until you have spent time in the slums of an already poor country then you have never seen poor.

So get over your plight of the US inner city thug diatribes and realize compared to a lot of the world, poor in the US would be heaven compared to how true poverty lives.

Asialover1
03-04-06, 09:24
my next trip I may scale back even more, I might even try one of those kilo places I see all over Copa of which I have never been too but I don't know if they are going to be as much fun as Dom Camillo..The Siqueira grill is one of the best in Copacabana a lot of different dishes and a great sushi (for me it`s one of the best I have ever eaten) Best Sushi in Rio is in the Marriott Hotel in the Sushi Bar. I think the Siqueira grill is a good runner-up.
RL[/QUOTE]

Papa Wahala
03-04-06, 14:39
Greetings Double, Ee2002 et al,

It is a waste of time and effort to try to reason with an individual who has nothing relevant or substantive to say and enjoys engaging in race baiting.

I follow the creed "Never get into a pissing contest with a skunk because he is enjoying the contest while you wind up smelling bad."

I encourage you to place this individual who has demonstrated his hostility and obsession with black-white issues on your ignore list. I have and the sole reason I am aware of the "Hooded One's" recent commentary is that it was copied on Double's reply.

I leave you with the following thoughts from a great American:

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." (Martin Luther King Jr.)

Cheers and happy mongering!

Scotch
03-04-06, 14:40
Brazil follows own path on AIDSCOUNTRY AT ODDS WITH U.S. OVER PROSTITUTES' HELPBy Monte ReelWashington PostRIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil - Paula Duran is an outreach worker with a style of her own. That style -- heavy on fishnet, tattoos and suggestive poses -- is at the heart of an ideological disagreement between Brazil and the United States over the best way to fight AIDS.
Duran, 35, is a prostitute in Villa Mimosa, a red-light district in this seaside city where an estimated 3,500 sex workers lounge in the doorways and lean out the windows of scarred, decaying buildings.
Each time she snags a customer, she fishes in her purse for a government-supplied condom. Often she repeats information on disease transmission that she learned at a state-funded workshop for prostitutes around the corner.
``I'm always telling people that they should never do anything without a condom,'' Duran said. ``A lot of the young people who come around here don't know anything about it, so I try to teach them whatever I can.''
But the U.S. government strongly disapproves of such unorthodox methods. Two weeks ago, Brazil received a letter from USAID declaring the country ineligible for a renewal of a $48 million AIDS prevention grant. The United States requires all countries receiving AIDS funding help to formally state that prostitution is dehumanizing and degrading, and Brazil last year -- alone among AIDS aid recipients -- was unwilling to do that.
A working partnership with prostitutes, health officials here say, is a key reason that the country's AIDS prevention and treatment programs are considered by the United Nations to be the most successful in the developing world. There are at least 600,000 people infected with HIV in Brazil -- but that is only half the number predicted by the World Bank a decade ago.
``When we started in the 1980s, our projected AIDS rates were exactly the same as Africa's, but now it's a completely different story,'' said Mariangela Simao, deputy director of Brazil's national HIV-AIDS program in Brasília. ``I'm convinced it's a result of the way the government has responded. We provide information and resources, and don't enter into moral or religious issues.''
Brazil's annual Carnival, the rowdy pre-Lenten festival where clothes and inhibitions are mostly considered optional, began last weekend. At parades and block parties attended by millions throughout the country, the government's approach to AIDS and reproductive health appeared as unrestrained as the revelers themselves.
In Rio, free condoms were passed out like candy as part of a national goal to distribute 25 million of them before Carnival ended Tuesday.
``Brazil's sexual culture is very different from the puritanical tradition in the United States,'' said Sonia Correa, an AIDS activist in Rio who is also the co-chair of the International Working Group on Sexuality and Social Policy.

El Austriaco
03-04-06, 19:34
From what I have already read on this board, I have high hopes for places like El Salvador and (especially) Ecuador, for example. The problem with the reports on those forums is that no one makes comparisons to Rio, for example. After I've been there and sampled the goods, I plan to do exactly that.

I would be curious to hear the opinions of other Rio mongers on this issue. Has anyone considered moving on, and if so, have you explored other mongering sites and contrasted them with Rio. Let's hear from you if you have.

Lorenzo
I spent time in Salvador, Bahia, in 2002, and can confirm that while prices there were always lower than in Rio, the whole mongering scene there also has always been much more limited. In other words, cheaper, but no comparison in terms of 24/7 availability and range of services.

I have been to El Salvador lately (May 2005) and wrote a report in the San Salvador Section: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=366298&postcount=874. Still stand by my assessment expressed in that report in that ES is NOT in the same league as Brazil or Colombia, P4P-wise.

Ecuador: spent three weeks there in 2003, but unfortunately, I have no mongering experience there, so I guess someone else will have to provide a comparison.

I have already provided a detailed comparison between Cartagena, Colombia and Rio de Janeiro, Brazil: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=422385#post422385

Another place close to the US that you might wanna consider is the DR, in particular Sosua in the North, and/or Boca Chica on the Southern coast for small towns or Santo Domingo for more of a big-city experience. I have reported on Boca Chica in http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=184391&postcount=224. Should give you a rough idea on how it compares to Rio.

Conclusion: insofar as Latin countries are concerned, I have personally mongered in Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador, DR, Cuba (BTW, your comparison to Rio was spot-on), Venezuela, Colombia, and Brazil, and even at this point in time, I still consider Rio BY FAR the best place for mongering. I seriously doubt there is any place like it. Sure, with the tanking dollar, things overall have gotten more expensive in terms of dollars (especially for Brazilians), but there are very simply things that can be done to curb costs, as others and myself have pointed out.

Stay away from Avenida Atlantica, and prices drop accordingly (including for P4P). Food and drink prices are still very cheap by pretty much any standard once you learn where to go. For example, I see tons of tourists eating at Meia Pataca. While the food is not bad there (while not being spectacular), I usually go the Galeto on Rua Miguel Lemos, across the street from the Internet place. Entrees for between R$ 8 and 12, usually, and are nothing worse than the usual MP fare. So dinner for two with drinks that would run R$70.00 to R$80.00 at Meia Pataca or Terraço Atlantica sets me down R$25.00 to R$30.00 maximum at that place. Big difference if you spend a lot of time there.

What has made Rio so special for me in terms of P4P has always been the wide range of P4P options available for all budgets. Again, exploring other parts of the city and venues that are mostly frequented by locals is the solution to avoiding reported skyrocketing prices in the tourist places. And the less time you spend mongering in Copacabana, you might also consider accommodation in other parts of city.

While Rio isn´t as cheap as it used to be (mainly due to a combination of the dropping dollar and onging inflation in Brazil), the resulting adverse effect can be largely counteracted by improving one´s own know-how and experience. All good places might come to an end, as someone said, but they don´t have to end that fast when one can change one´s behavior to adjust to changing circumstances. Rio might not be that far ahead of other great places any more (like Colombia), but IMHO, it is still the clear front-runner and far from being no great deal any longer. No reason to move on for me.

EA

Lorenzo
03-04-06, 22:20
El Austriaco,

Thanks very much for your well thought out and well written response to my inquiry. I have a feeling that later this year, after I have conducted my own mongering research, I may come to the same conclusion you did. But, I'd like to do the exploring on my own, and of course enjoy the mongering while I do.

Your points about staying away from Av Atlantica, or Copacabana entirely, are well taken. On my next trip to Rio, which will be in August, I am considering staying at the Gloria Hotel in, well, Gloria. It has been praised to the heavens in all the travel books on Rio that I have looked at, and been compared favorably to the Copacabana Palace. Judging from the pictures I have seen, it does appear to be sumptious. In fact, it was once the premier hotel in Rio until the tunnel was built in the 1920s. However, room rates there, according to Expedia, are just US$94 a night for a standard room. This is about what a small suite at a 3-star like the Debret would cost. So my plan is to stay there and do a lot of mongering in the Centro termas during the week, and just go to Copa on weekends, and maybe for a nice dinner. I'm wondering if any of the users of this forum have ever stayed at the Gloria, and what your impression was. I have a feeling that a hotel like this would not be chica friendly, and sneaking a chica in might be a lot more obvious that it would be in Zona Sul. However, I've been pretty successful at getting past that. I'll keep everyone posted as to how this works out.

Lorenzo

Bubba Boy
03-04-06, 22:24
I don't know why more mongers do not talk about the "kilo places" to eat. They have a wide range of everything to choose from at the buffet, including a good mixture of fesh plates and the meat is freshly cooked from the churrasqueira (BBQ Grill). Drinks are brought to the table and for the language impaired, you do not need to speak any Portuguese, you just grab your ticket on the way in and grab what food you want, whack it on the scales, get your ticket marked with the number and thats it. Average cost? betweem R10 for your average sized dude to R15 for the "fat bastards" amongst us. Food is great and quick, perfect for the monger on the go, and because there are many different places that all mix up what is on the menu, you never really get tired of the routine. There are heaps of them along Ave Nossa Senhora Copabacana ( the street one back from the beach).

Rio Bob
03-05-06, 00:59
El Austriaco,

Thanks very much for your well thought out and well written response to my inquiry. I have a feeling that later this year, after I have conducted my own mongering research, I may come to the same conclusion you did. But, I'd like to do the exploring on my own, and of course enjoy the mongering while I do.

Your points about staying away from Av Atlantica, or Copacabana entirely, are well taken. On my next trip to Rio, which will be in August, I am considering staying at the Gloria Hotel in, well, Gloria. It has been praised to the heavens in all the travel books on Rio that I have looked at, and been compared favorably to the Copacabana Palace. Judging from the pictures I have seen, it does appear to be sumptious. In fact, it was once the premier hotel in Rio until the tunnel was built in the 1920s. However, room rates there, according to Expedia, are just US$94 a night for a standard room. This is about what a small suite at a 3-star like the Debret would cost. So my plan is to stay there and do a lot of mongering in the Centro termas during the week, and just go to Copa on weekends, and maybe for a nice dinner. I'm wondering if any of the users of this forum have ever stayed at the Gloria, and what your impression was. I have a feeling that a hotel like this would not be chica friendly, and sneaking a chica in might be a lot more obvious that it would be in Zona Sul. However, I've been pretty successful at getting past that. I'll keep everyone posted as to how this works out.

Lorenzo

I myself have never stayed there but many years ago I used to work for a major airline and many of the people I worked with stayed there for like $12 a day or something. The impression I got from them while it was a suitable hotel it was just ok. Recently I have seen it advertised as a classic type of hotel but I don't think it is anywhere near the level of the Copacabana Palace. For the same money I would rather stay at the Debret, you could always take the metro to Centro. I don't think the Debret is girl friendly anymore from what I read on this board but they have fixed it up in the past couple of years. Plus you frequent Termas anyway so you really don't need a girl friendly hotel.

Euro100
03-05-06, 03:06
I don't know why more mongers do not talk about the "kilo places" to eat.

I know why that is. It's all described in the BubbaGuide; so there is no need to talk about it any more! Bubba, you have saved me tons of money by following your suggestion regarding eating at the kilo places. And some of them are really good.

euro

The Watcher
03-05-06, 04:48
Greetings Double, Ee2002 et al,

It is a waste of time and effort to try to reason with an individual who has nothing relevant or substantive to say and enjoys engaging in race baiting.

I follow the creed "Never get into a pissing contest with a skunk because he is enjoying the contest while you wind up smelling bad."

I encourage you to place this individual who has demonstrated his hostility and obsession with black-white issues on your ignore list. I have and the sole reason I am aware of the "Hooded One's" recent commentary is that it was copied on Double's reply.

I leave you with the following thoughts from a great American:

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." (Martin Luther King Jr.)

Cheers and happy mongering!I had been wondering about how to deal with this issue without engaging in more debate. I no longer have to wonder because you have so succintly said what I was struggling to say. Thanks.

The Watcher
03-05-06, 04:55
I myself have never stayed there but many years ago I used to work for a major airline and many of the people I worked with stayed there for like $12 a day or something. The impression I got from them while it was a suitable hotel it was just ok. Recently I have seen it advertised as a classic type of hotel but I don't think it is anywhere near the level of the Copacabana Palace. For the same money I would rather stay at the Debret, you could always take the metro to Centro. I don't think the Debret is girl friendly anymore from what I read on this board but they have fixed it up in the past couple of years. Plus you frequent Termas anyway so you really don't need a girl friendly hotel.I agree with Rio Bob 100%. I do not recommend staying at the Hotel Gloria. Many years ago, it was a very nice luxury hotel. Now, it isn't so great and, more importantly, you are away from the action. You should stay in Copacabana because it is more convenient for anything you might want to do after you come home from a termas.

Lorenzo
03-05-06, 06:52
I don't think the Debret is girl friendly anymore from what I read on this board but they have fixed it up in the past couple of years. Plus you frequent Termas anyway so you really don't need a girl friendly hotel.
I used to stay at the Debret the first few times I cam to Rio. It is a decent beachfront hotel, good value for the money, with an excellent buffet breakfast, although the hotel is a bit on the gloomy side. I discovered it on this forum back in 2000, and it remained girl friendly for the next few years, but then they suddenly changed their policy. I have the feeling that some raucous mongers may have spoiled it for everyone else by alienating some of the Brazilian families that stay there. I stayed there because I believed the conventional wisdom that it was impossible to bring girls into a five star hotel, something I know now not to be true. So the Debret is no longer a good place for mongers.

For the record, I do bring girls to the hotel, but they're always termas girls that I make arrangements to see on the outside, and I usually do them in the hotel in the daytime when it is easier to slip them in. I then take her out to an early (by Brazilian standards) dinner, send her to wherever she is going in a taxi, and then head for a termas--not the one where the one I've just been with works, lest I run into her there!

Lorenzo

Trippleecks
03-05-06, 13:42
Loranzo........
The Debret Hotel changed it's guest policy when an American was drugged by the girl he brought to his room. The Hotel DID NOT check with him in his room before they returned the girls ID to her so she just left with his stuff....

Mangera
03-05-06, 15:12
I was fortunate enough to get a 5 yr Brazilian visa about 1 1/2 years ago. But now I find my USA passport with only three empty pages left. I will be in Brazil in April, but I am planning a month long tour of southeast Asia during June (first time in Asia). I would also like to return to Brazil in July for a 3 or 4 week stay.

My concern is: once I use up all of the empty pages in my passport, how can I still retain or maintain my Brazilian visa valid. Is it as simple as going to the consulate and showing old passport with valid visa, and they stamp my new passport, or is there some other procedure? Or worse yet, do I have to re-apply for visa, meaning I would most likely get screwed and only get a 90 day? Anyone with experience over this matter, please share experience or advice.

Thanks

Exec Talent
03-05-06, 22:02
So I am walking back from dinner with my girl when she spies the boyfriend of a girlfriend at a bar frequented by GDPs. Immediately upon getting back to the apartment she calls her girlfriend. She doesn't answer so she calls another girl and tells her to tell her girlfriend. The girlfriend called my girl back within two minutes and she was pissed. Oh, did I mention the guy was sitting all by himself.

I immediately placed a call to Bill Gates and told him that Microsoft needs to name the next version of Windows GDP.NET.

SAGA CONTINUES: So we are out walking later and pass the same (purposefully unnamed bar) and now the guy has a girl with him. My girl almost wets herself and cannot wait to get back to the apartment to call her girlfriend. I wonder if there is some general fund that has been setup which provides rewards if you are the first to spy a girl's boyfriend allegedly transgressing.

Exec Talent
03-05-06, 22:08
beary, i agree with your point 100%. People that are over 18 and still live in a housing project or some white ghetto as the other poster said are LAZY. brazil is a 3rd world country. They dont know any other way to make money. there are not enough jobs compared to the amount of people looking. In america, you CAN ALWAYS find a job if you want it.The only people that dont want a job are LAZY people. white or black.they are usually drug addicted or prefer to sell drugs than work for 8 bucks an hour. they want to blame everyone else for their problems. What i am sick of are black people from housing projects or ghettos going on tv and saying they are TRAPPED in the ghetto and cant get out. HOW funny is that. If you are paralyzed from the waist down you are TRAPPED in you wheel chair. If you live in a slum you are not trapped. All you have to do is just FUCKING leave and get a 8.00 an hour job and a apartment in a normal place. Get your other lazy friends to split the rent.Its not that hard. I have driven past a housing project before and would NEVER live like that. You have to have ZERO work ethic to stay in a place like that. I cant blame someone who is born into a situation like that because their parents or one parent decided not to leave but there is a certain age when you have to take responsibility for your own life and 18 would be that time.

Joe, I give these whiners about 30 seconds. I know a woman and her husband who came to the US from Taiwan with a suitcase and did not speak any English. He started a restaurant chain and she owns her own technology company. She had polio and walked with a leg brace. I have one thing to say to these people who use their environment as an excuse, get off your ass and get to work.

Rio Bob
03-05-06, 22:21
So I am walking back from dinner with my girl when she spies the boyfriend of a girlfriend at a bar frequented by GDPs. Immediately upon getting back to the apartment she calls her girlfriend. She doesn't answer so she calls another girl and tells her to tell her girlfriend. The girlfriend called my girl back within two minutes and she was pissed. Oh, did I mention the guy was sitting all by himself.

I immediately placed a call to Bill Gates and told him that Microsoft needs to name the next version of Windows GDP.NET.

A bar or a cafe? If it's a bar, what is the name?

Zorglub
03-06-06, 01:58
[QUOTE=Exec Talent]So I am walking back from dinner with my girl when she spies the boyfriend of a girlfriend at a bar frequented by GDPs. Immediately upon getting back to the apartment she calls her girlfriend. She doesn't answer so she calls another girl and tells her to tell her girlfriend. The girlfriend called my girl back within two minutes and she was pissed. Oh, did I mention the guy was sitting all by himself.

I immediately placed a call to Bill Gates and told him that Microsoft needs to name the next version of Windows GDP.NET.


Funny but I already notice that .
Some GDPs telling me where I was the night before and with which I was although she was not there.
RIO is a big city but Copacabana is really a small place

Rio Bob
03-06-06, 03:36
I used to stay at the Debret the first few times I cam to Rio. It is a decent beachfront hotel, good value for the money, with an excellent buffet breakfast, although the hotel is a bit on the gloomy side. I discovered it on this forum back in 2000, and it remained girl friendly for the next few years, but then they suddenly changed their policy. I have the feeling that some raucous mongers may have spoiled it for everyone else by alienating some of the Brazilian families that stay there. I stayed there because I believed the conventional wisdom that it was impossible to bring girls into a five star hotel, something I know now not to be true. So the Debret is no longer a good place for mongers.

For the record, I do bring girls to the hotel, but they're always termas girls that I make arrangements to see on the outside, and I usually do them in the hotel in the daytime when it is easier to slip them in. I then take her out to an early (by Brazilian standards) dinner, send her to wherever she is going in a taxi, and then head for a termas--not the one where the one I've just been with works, lest I run into her there!

Lorenzo

I used to stay at the Debret too when that front luxury suite was $65 a day now it is about $130 a day, great view. I don't know if you are familiar with the Luxor Regente, I used to stay there too much better hotel than the Debret but I think you can get standard rooms there for less than the Debret but it is a far better Hotel and on Av atlantica about 1.5 blocs away from the Debret and I think it is stil girl friendly. And of course there is the Orla hotel down near the Sofitel which is newer and very nice.

Lorenzo
03-06-06, 07:04
I used to stay at the Debret too when that front luxury suite was $65 a day now it is about $130 a day, great view. I don't know if you are familiar with the Luxor Regente, I used to stay there too much better hotel than the Debret but I think you can get standard rooms there for less than the Debret but it is a far better Hotel and on Av atlantica about 1.5 blocs away from the Debret and I think it is stil girl friendly. And of course there is the Orla hotel down near the Sofitel which is newer and very nice.
I used to stay in that very same suite. I guess I'm stuck in a time warp; I was thinking it was still $65-70 a night. Silly me. The Debret is definitely not worth anywhere near $130 a night. For $20 more you can stay in the lap of luxury at the Sheraton; you can get a room there for $149 a night through Expedia if you pay in advance. The Sheraton is one of the true bargains in Rio if you consider the price to quality ratio and don't mind staying at some distance from the mongering scene. The Sheraton is very easy to get girls into. It's a great place if you have a special garota you'd like to cocoon with for a few days, lounge by the pool, sip caipirinhas, eat an one of their several restaurants, and take in what is probably the most beautiful view in Rio. A lot of mongers seem not to like it because of its distance, but it's easy to walk 100 meters or so to Av. Niemeyer and flag down a taxi; it's just 15 minutes away from Copa. (Those suckers ought to pay me a commission. I've already had two mongers PM me and say they stayed there based on my recommendation.) Why was I thinking of staying at the Gloria? Oh yes, to focus on the Centro termas scene. We'll see what my mood is when I get closer to arrival.

Lorenzo

Fats
03-06-06, 08:57
I was fortunate enough to get a 5 yr Brazilian visa about 1 1/2 years ago. But now I find my USA passport with only three empty pages left.
My concern is: once I use up all of the empty pages in my passport, how can I still retain or maintain my Brazilian visa valid.
Thanks


Mangera-you don't get a new passport when there are no pages left, you get pages added to your existing passport. If you do this in the USA you have to mail your passport along with a form (DS-4085) for more pages to a central processing facility. Outside the US just go to any embassy/consul during their normal business hours (which can be strange eg. 7AM-NOON) and they will do it while you wait. There is no charge unless you need expidited processing. Look at the Passport section of the state department website:

http://travel.state.gov/passport/passport_1738.html

One Wing Low
03-06-06, 09:26
....when you are their meal tickets...The girls would do anything to make sure they won't go hungry.

Women all over the world do the same possessive things to their men, whether they are SW, GF, freelancers or married....



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Funny but I already notice that .
Some GDPs telling me where I was the night before and with which I was although she was not there.
RIO is a big city but Copacabana is really a small place

Wandering Fool
03-06-06, 10:53
[QUOTE=Exec Talent]So I am walking back from dinner with my girl when she spies the boyfriend of a girlfriend at a bar frequented by GDPs. Immediately upon getting back to the apartment she calls her girlfriend. She doesn't answer so she calls another girl and tells her to tell her girlfriend. The girlfriend called my girl back within two minutes and she was pissed. Oh, did I mention the guy was sitting all by himself.

I immediately placed a call to Bill Gates and told him that Microsoft needs to name the next version of Windows GDP.NET.


Funny but I already notice that .
Some GDPs telling me where I was the night before and with which I was although she was not there.
RIO is a big city but Copacabana is really a small place

Its really scary how they track you and talk. There was a termas girl who I had seen several times at Centaurs and once took her back to my hotel. We didn't hang out or stay in touch other than that. The next trip I skiped her termas and never saw her. The trip after that I went back to her termas to visit and she was pissed that I had made a trip and never came to see her. How the heck did she know? I must have been spoted at Help by one of her friends.

Post script: We subsequently fell in love, and for a year I sent her rent money and expenses so she didn't have to work. I heard a rumor that she was still turning tricks so I flew down there and even though there was some guy zipping up his pants and leaving her apt when I arrived she said he was just fixing the sink so I didn't mind. For some reason her phone kept ringing while we tried to eat lunch in copa and it was always these english speaking guys and she would hang up quickly. I kind of started to get jealous so I gave her a ring, got married and took her to the US where I could keep an eye on her. We stayed together, although her phone was always ringing even up in the US with guys calling. What's that about? Sadly, after about a year she told me her mother was sick and had to return to Rio. Poor girl, they couldn't afford medication so I had to keep sending money to help them. Then I got divorce papers handed to me by some local brazilian lawyer, and she ended up taking me for half of everything I had. She still works down in Rio at Help. Maybe you've banged her? Sometimes I still see her down there at Help when I'm visiting and I'll get drunk and start crying and she'll take sympathy on me and let me take her back to my hotel for a half hour for a nice CBJ, and R400 later I'm left alone in my room, wondering where it all went wrong.

kobus2507
03-06-06, 11:15
Keep wondering where things went wrong!

Exec Talent
03-06-06, 12:36
....when you are their meal tickets...The girls would do anything to make sure they won't go hungry.

Women all over the world do the same possessive things to their men, whether they are SW, GF, freelancers or married....

With some of you guys, it is always all about the money. After spending a lot of time in Rio, and having seen many of you, I can now understand why. And, I also understand why some of you say that Help prices are $R400 for two hours. As hard as it may be for you to believe, some of these girls actually fall in love.

Exec Talent
03-06-06, 13:36
[QUOTE=Zorglub]

Post script: We subsequently fell in love, and for a year I sent her rent money and expenses so she didn't have to work. ... I'm left alone in my room, wondering where it all went wrong.

Having been privy to several Brazilain/US relationships US side, what I see usually happening is this:

Guy meets girl, marries her, takes her to the US where she feels alone and isolated (guy never learned Portuguese, and expected his wife to become fluent in English just from being around him). They have a child. Surprisingly, she doesn't look as good as when he first met her. He starts cheating on her. She is faithful to him. They get a divorce with her getting very little because she cannot afford to hire a lawyer. He occasionally sends her money for the child. She becomes an escort in the US.

P.S. If anyone here is serious about how to have a successful relationship with a Brazilian woman, you may PM me. Also, although they are not as vocal as I am, there are other guys on here who have done it. I hear from them all the time.

P.S.S. I am not down on you guys who just want to come to Rio and see how many women you can do and have no interest in falling in love. Been there, done that. However, you can do that and still respect the women and treat them well.

Lorenzo
03-06-06, 16:06
Wandering Fool and Exec Talent,

IMHO, an essential part of maturing is accepting life's Brutal Truths, of which there are many. (A few examples: Never have sex with a co-worker unless you want everyone in the office to know about it. Never play poker with anyone named Slim. The shit will always hit the fan the day after you've been up till 4:00 AM. Never go back to an ex; it will be the same thing all over again.)

Now here's another Brutal Truth: once a prostitute, always a prostitute. Another way to put it: you can take the girl out of the brothel, but you can't take the brothel out of the girl (I am using the word 'brothel' to include the whole P4P scene, including places like Help.) This is why it's a big mistake to fall in love with a GDP, no matter how charming, smart, beautiful, and sexually skilled she may be. She will always have, in the back of her mind, the thought that if things go badly or if other sources of revenue dry up or are not as lucrative as she would like, she can always return to 'the life' in order to treat herself to a life style she feels comfortable with. I am speaking from experience, but I'm not bitter. I'm a guy who has quite a bit of mileage on me, and I should have known better. But experience is the best teacher. So my suggestion to mongers is this: if you meet a GDP you become enthralled with and think of her as a potential GF, go ahead and enjoy her and act out the BF/GF roles, but never, ever give your heart to her. Most importantly, never, ever trust her. She cannot be trusted--period.

And no, ET, I don't believe these girls can fall in love, not in any meaningful sense of that word, at least not with a customer, or 'cliente' as some of the classier ones prefer to refer to us. She may have a boyfriend who knows how she earns her living and doesn't care, but she will always regard a former 'cliente' as a meal ticket, and she will always have the aforementioned 'escape plan' in the back of her mind. This is not true love, something GDPs are too shallow to be capable of. As, perhaps, are most long term mongers, and I am not excluding myself. Just my two cents worth.

Fats,

Your advice on getting extra pages added to your passport is right on. I did this myself, just mailed in my passport and got it back relatively quickly with the new pages added. Would you believe that one of the travel columnists for the San Francisco Chronicle didn't know this? He said in one of his columns back in 2004 that he had traveled so much that he had had to get a new passport because his old one had filled up. I wrote the paper a letter informing them of the procedure for getting new pages added, and they called me seeking permission to publish it, but they never did. Probably too embarrassing for the columnist. So not even the 'experts' know everything.

Lorenzo

Ezinho
03-06-06, 16:30
Now here's another Brutal Truth: once a prostitute, always a prostitute. Another way to put it: you can take the girl out of the brothel, but you can't take the brothel out of the girl.

Amen, Lorenzo, thank you for posting some common sense, very well put.



Would you believe that one of the travel columnists for the San Francisco Chronicle didn't know this?

Lorenzo

Yes absolutely! I am from Northern California, and can't tell you how big of a joke that paper is, the San Francisco 'Comicle', it's one of the most embarassing publications in the US, I wouldn't line my birdcage with it.

Kid Cisco
03-06-06, 17:00
Wow, I can't believe it I must say I agree with you on this one Lorenzo once a prostitute, always a prostitute of course I would choose other words BUT you are on point on this one.

Kid Cisco

Cunnilinguist
03-06-06, 18:20
Greetings Double, Ee2002 et al,

It is a waste of time and effort to try to reason with an individual who has nothing relevant or substantive to say and enjoys engaging in race baiting.

I follow the creed "Never get into a pissing contest with a skunk because he is enjoying the contest while you wind up smelling bad."

I encourage you to place this individual who has demonstrated his hostility and obsession with black-white issues on your ignore list. I have and the sole reason I am aware of the "Hooded One's" recent commentary is that it was copied on Double's reply.

I leave you with the following thoughts from a great American:

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." (Martin Luther King Jr.)

Cheers and happy mongering!

Good post, I couldn't agree more....Welcome to the board Papa Wahala. :)

This is a forum on women & chasing a$$... and as previously stated, this Ignoramus is CONSUMED on the black/white issue. I'm beginning to think that he gets more of a rise (and even off…), from our responses towards him; than looking at the pics and actually fucking women. :o

Maybe this racial antagonizing is a form of therapy for him...to help deal with perceived inadequacies of never being able to rise to the occasion, life giving him the short-end of a stick, or possibly becoming dependent on artificial achievements. One can only surmise…

HATE….of others, and especially of one’s self is an all consuming illness. To all members have pity on this lost soul and learn what hatred can do to the spirit.

“ Ignorance is the night of the mind, a night without moon or star” – Confucius


Let’s relegate joe francis’ purpose on this board to serve as a warning to others. :cool:



The CunningLinguist

Cunnilinguist
03-06-06, 19:16
Wandering Fool and Exec Talent,

IMHO, an essential part of maturing is accepting life's Brutal Truths, of which there are many. (A few examples: Never have sex with a co-worker unless you want everyone in the office to know about it. Never play poker with anyone named Slim. The shit will always hit the fan the day after you've been up till 4:00 AM. Never go back to an ex; it will be the same thing all over again.)

Now here's another Brutal Truth: once a prostitute, always a prostitute. Another way to put it: you can take the girl out of the brothel, but you can't take the brothel out of the girl (I am using the word 'brothel' to include the whole P4P scene, including places like Help.) This is why it's a big mistake to fall in love with a GDP, no matter how charming, smart, beautiful, and sexually skilled she may be. She will always have, in the back of her mind, the thought that if things go badly or if other sources of revenue dry up or are not as lucrative as she would like, she can always return to 'the life' in order to treat herself to a life style she feels comfortable with. I am speaking from experience, but I'm not bitter. I'm a guy who has quite a bit of mileage on me, and I should have known better. But experience is the best teacher. So my suggestion to mongers is this: if you meet a GDP you become enthralled with and think of her as a potential GF, go ahead and enjoy her and act out the BF/GF roles, but never, ever give your heart to her. Most importantly, never, ever trust her. She cannot be trusted--period.

And no, ET, I don't believe these girls can fall in love, not in any meaningful sense of that word, at least not with a customer, or 'cliente' as some of the classier ones prefer to refer to us. She may have a boyfriend who knows how she earns her living and doesn't care, but she will always regard a former 'cliente' as a meal ticket, and she will always have the aforementioned 'escape plan' in the back of her mind. This is not true love, something GDPs are too shallow to be capable of. As, perhaps, are most long term mongers, and I am not excluding myself. Just my two cents worth.

Lorenzo

I agree 100%...Treat a GDP with respect, seduce her, love and enjoy her beauty & physique. Hell, have a great time and enjoy the fantasy because that is all it is, and will ever be. There is simply no upside to falling in love with a woman that will ALWAYS puts her financial interests first (Gold-diggers...GDPs included) (ahead of you and anyone else).

A Great movie that brings this point home is “Casino” (1995) with Robert De Niro and Sharon Stone.



The CunningLinguist

Rio Bob
03-07-06, 15:46
For $20 more you can stay in the lap of luxury at the Sheraton; you can get a room there for $149 a night through Expedia if you pay in advance. The Sheraton is one of the true bargains in Rio if you consider the price to quality ratio and don't mind staying at some distance from the mongering scene. The Sheraton is very easy to get girls into.
Lorenzo

When I was in Rio last I met a bunch of guys from Miami who were staying at the Sheraton and according to them the place is girl friendly, they just signed them in at the front desk and I believe they charge the standard guest fee.

I also met another bunch of guys who rented a big new penthouse apartment with jacuzzi and everything in Barra, there were like 3 or 4 of them in this apartment. I spoke to them several times outside of help and during the day at Meia Pataca. They complained about the taxi fares back and forth but the biggest problem they had was that area by Av. Neimeir by the Sheraton they got pulled over by the cops almost everynight and they were tired of it, its nerve racking because you don't know what they are going to do to you. They did nothing to these guys but these guys said they would never stay outside of copa again because it is just too much of a hastle going back and forth. I experienced this myself last year while leaving Help with a buddy and 2 girls we were going to Ipanema and as soon as we turned the corner into Ipanema the cops pulled us over, it is not a pleasant experience.

Lorenzo, are you familiar with the Ipanema Plaza hotel, new hotel in Ipanema I saw it on hotels.com for $140 a day.

Super Sir
03-07-06, 16:27
Hi guys,

Anyone in Rio at the moment. I am here until the end of the week.

PM me and we can meet up and have a beer.

Super sir.

Exec Talent
03-07-06, 17:36
One of the cheapest and most convenient ways to get back and forth from Copa to Barra is by van. Before Christmas I went to the Wal-Mart to buy a friend's kids some presents and took a van both ways. About R$5.

Lorenzo
03-07-06, 17:56
Lorenzo, are you familiar with the Ipanema Plaza hotel, new hotel in Ipanema I saw it on hotels.com for $140 a day.
No, but I'll check it out.

Ibiza007
03-08-06, 01:58
Take the $R1.90 bus sometime, now that is an experience, they drive about 50 mph and decide to hit the brakes when someone waves at them. They cross two lanes to get to the stop and go from 50 to 0 in about 20 meters. I can see why people get run over , and I can not believe more do not get runover. Nothing like a nice open window bus trip to Barra. They day I went it was cloudy and not bad, but many people in Rio would never consider paying 30 cents more for an A/c bus. Watch the A/c busses, they are usually not full, and the bus for 30 cents less will be packed. It is good to try a little bit of everything in Rio, especially the $R1.90 bus. Just look for the bus that says BARRA SHOPPING. It takes about 30 min. Total cost R$3.80. This bus will take you to barra shopping , New york center.

I do not know if anyone saw the papers here today, but the front pages were all covered with pictures of the MILITARY, not the police, going into a favela. I asked about this story, and here is the short version. Favela gang breaks into a Military Armory and steals some heavy fire power, machines guns, or something. The Military is pissed, so they head into the favela. Maybe someone with better portuguese can give a better acount of this story. From the papers, this was a bit more than the normal favela v. police riff.

IBZ

Rio Bob
03-08-06, 02:01
I do not know if anyone saw the papers here today, but the front pages were all covered with pictures of the MILITARY, not the police, going into a favela. I asked about this story, and here is the short version. Favela gang breaks into a Military Armory and steals some heavy fire power, machines guns, or something. The Military is pissed, so they head into the favela. Maybe someone with better portuguese can give a better acount of this story. From the papers, this was a bit more than the normal favela v. police riff.IBZ
Brazil Doubles Soldiers Around Rio Slums in Weapons Search
March 7 (Bloomberg) -- Brazil's army more than doubled the number of soldiers stationed in and around Rio de Janeiro's shantytowns as part of an effort to find weapons stolen from a military base last week.

The army, which started the operation last week with about 600 soldiers in four slums, expanded its presence to include 1,500 soldiers in nine slums, said Col. Fernando Lemos, press officer for the army's Eastern Military Command.

``Intelligence on this case is evolving and we have leads and information that have directed us to occupy these new areas,'' Lemos said in a phone interview from Rio.

Seven masked men on March 3 invaded a military transport base and stole 10 7.62 millimeter FAL-style assault rifles and a 9 millimeter pistol, the army said.

The army yesterday put barricades around the Mangueira shantytown, Lemos said. Brazil's military has five Urutu armored troop carriers supporting the effort.

Lemos said the troops stationed at the Providencia slum were attacked by a home-made bomb last night and exchanged gunfire with alleged drug gangs. The army sent troops to the top of a hill overseeing the slum to gain a better view of the gangs, he said.

Rio Bob
03-08-06, 02:06
One of the cheapest and most convenient ways to get back and forth from Copa to Barra is by van. Before Christmas I went to the Wal-Mart to buy a friend's kids some presents and took a van both ways. About R$5.

Yes taking a van or a bus is the best way to go but Im not so sure it is at 3 am leaving Help with a new found friend.

I once took one of those vans from Ipanema, we got pulled over by the police so I got paranoid and swolled my generic viaga 100 mg, I just didn't feel like explaining what a generic viagra is in case they asked. Well by the time I got off the van in Copa I was full tilt at 3 in the afternoon. I rushed to the apartment and called CIAPLUS to take care of my problem.

Truant
03-09-06, 04:18
When I was in Rio last I met a bunch of guys from Miami who were staying at the Sheraton and according to them the place is girl friendly, they just signed them in at the front desk and I believe they charge the standard guest fee.

I also met another bunch of guys who rented a big new penthouse apartment with jacuzzi and everything in Barra, there were like 3 or 4 of them in this apartment. I spoke to them several times outside of help and during the day at Meia Pataca. They complained about the taxi fares back and forth but the biggest problem they had was that area by Av. Neimeir by the Sheraton they got pulled over by the cops almost everynight and they were tired of it, its nerve racking because you don't know what they are going to do to you. They did nothing to these guys but these guys said they would never stay outside of copa again because it is just too much of a hastle going back and forth. I experienced this myself last year while leaving Help with a buddy and 2 girls we were going to Ipanema and as soon as we turned the corner into Ipanema the cops pulled us over, it is not a pleasant experience.

Lorenzo, are you familiar with the Ipanema Plaza hotel, new hotel in Ipanema I saw it on hotels.com for $140 a day.


I wrote a short little report on this hotel in the Rio hotels thread http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=569&page=11&pp=15
back in July. I paid US$135 a night not the BR$135 I put in the report by mistake. It is a good (but kinda pricey) hotel and is girl friendly. Great location.

Ibiza007
03-09-06, 12:42
I walked by Help last night about 11:00. The patio was full, with the normal sharks circling the pen.

I saw one new face, a very tall girl, 6'0" in heels, very young, she said she was 19? Brenda

I quickly asked about custo. Without blinking, she said $R300. I smiled and said she must be joking and she said, no joke. I asked if this was TLN and she replied, "TIEMPO SUFFCIENT". Now you are joking I told her. I asked her to confirm this, and she implied " One pop and you are finished"

Goodbye and good luck Darling...


IMO, The upper league has definitely left town. I know the faces pretty well after 6 months, so I recognize the new ones. There are always a few new girls, but there are many of the same faces, in the same places, night after night. These girls really are good actresses, to perform the same lines, night after night - " you are so special to me, so lindo, so bonito". The guys are excited, as the first timers are getting attention like never before. I really can only take Help in small doses, or the place seems like an ongoing tela novella, with bad acting.

I am becoming a fan of " Bang Bang" or as the local say bangeee bangeee. I am not sure why Brazilians are interested in an 1870's western town in the US, with bad acting, and several guys dressed like women as central characters. Although, A few of the leading ladies are smoking hot!

After my disapointing experience at Help, I was bored, so I went to Bob's next door to get a burger. I was standing in line and a GDP, standing in front of me, with nice spiked heels, decided to put one of her stiletto heels sharply down on my bare toes (havianas). Mother fucker... She did not even so much as offer a "Disculpe" (sorry), as I was jumping around Bob's like a monkey.

Side note - Some Brazilian women can give any truck driver a go for his money when it comes to spitting. I have seen so many normal, attractive girls walking down the street, lean over, and let a huge ball of spit fly, and not even break stride.The little Kenworth Queens.

As always, prices will be whatever you can negotiate, so the R$300 quote does not mean all is lost. I am sure she would have gone lower, but I did not have the energy to negotiate with her. It was easier to just walk away.

IBZ

Wandering Fool
03-10-06, 08:49
[QUOTE=Zorglub]

Post script: We subsequently fell in love, and for a year I sent her rent money and expenses so she didn't have to work. I heard a rumor that she was still turning tricks so I flew down there and even though there was some guy zipping up his pants and leaving her apt when I arrived she said he was just fixing the sink so I didn't mind. For some reason her phone kept ringing while we tried to eat lunch in copa and it was always these english speaking guys and she would hang up quickly. I kind of started to get jealous so I gave her a ring, got married and took her to the US where I could keep an eye on her. We stayed together, although her phone was always ringing even up in the US with guys calling. What's that about? Sadly, after about a year she told me her mother was sick and had to return to Rio. Poor girl, they couldn't afford medication so I had to keep sending money to help them. Then I got divorce papers handed to me by some local brazilian lawyer, and she ended up taking me for half of everything I had. She still works down in Rio at Help. Maybe you've banged her? Sometimes I still see her down there at Help when I'm visiting and I'll get drunk and start crying and she'll take sympathy on me and let me take her back to my hotel for a half hour for a nice CBJ, and R400 later I'm left alone in my room, wondering where it all went wrong.

I just want to mention that I was joking when I wrote this. Not everyone seems to have gotten that.

RxHammer
03-10-06, 11:23
Hey Guys,

I hoping to get some help with travel plans. Does anyone know if you can fly into Paranaiba, Brazil ??? I would hate to take the bus !! If anyone knows where to locate a flight/airline please drop me a line...

Thanks in advance,

Stay safe, Hammer

Bubba Boy
03-10-06, 17:25
Has anyone sucessfully dealt with the issue of staying in Brasil more than the officially allowed 6 months per year? I intend to purchase a small unit there in the next few months and would like to enjoy it (well actually the brasilian bunda that will be dragged back there) for more than the 6 months that is currently available. Any ideas?

Jfranken30
03-10-06, 23:15
Hello fellow Mongers,

I am touring South America at the moment (not a long story but a complicated one) and I am a cautious hobbyist. On a previous tour I had some luck in Buenos Aires and Manaus. I liked BA because I worked with Roxana who set me up beautifully, I never even had to leave the hotel. She's highly recommended to anyone visiting there.

I was wondering if anyone would care to help show me the ropes in POA or SP when I am there later this week. We arrive into POA on March 12th in the evening and fly on to Sao Paolo on March 16th. I'm only in Sao Paolo until the night of the 17th, so not a long time there.

However, if anyone wants to show me around for an afternoon or evening, dinner is on me.

Thanks guys and I look forward to seeing you during the week. Please PM me.

JonF

Lonzof
03-11-06, 01:33
Gents,

I'll ebe in Rion next month and wanted to try a different flavor. Any recommendations on any very small waist large bunda asian ladies.

Obrigado!

Ibiza007
03-11-06, 02:28
Sign up for a four year universidade course, get a four year visa, and drop out of school. Four year visa, no problem.

IBZ


Has anyone sucessfully dealt with the issue of staying in Brasil more than the officially allowed 6 months per year? I intend to purchase a small unit there in the next few months and would like to enjoy it (well actually the brasilian bunda that will be dragged back there) for more than the 6 months that is currently available. Any ideas?

Lover Boy #2
03-11-06, 09:53
[QUOTE=Wandering Fool]

I just want to mention that I was joking when I wrote this. Not everyone seems to have gotten that.

Nah...I got it!!!!...it was a great story of Rio.....and girlfriend/working girl relationships in general. Many have said it, but you said it the best.

Rio Bob
03-11-06, 16:53
I walked by Help last night about 11:00. The patio was full, with the normal sharks circling the pen.

I saw one new face, a very tall girl, 6'0" in heels, very young, she said she was 19? Brenda

IBZ

I just want to say that I really enjoy your on the ground front line reporting, please keep it up. Also although pictures of the garotas are great in the photo section I also enjoy your street scene photos of real life Rio. That goes for others also like some of the photos outside Help or Meia Pataca, especially during peak hours and of course the beach, these are some great photos.

Rio Bob
03-12-06, 02:15
I wrote a short little report on this hotel in the Rio hotels thread http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=569&page=11&pp=15
back in July. I paid US$135 a night not the BR$135 I put in the report by mistake. It is a good (but kinda pricey) hotel and is girl friendly. Great location.

When I used to stay in hotels, I had this hotel on my radar, I even went to see it, great location, the street it is on has many restaurants and bars, great location in Ipanema and 10 min walk to Copa, 2 min by taxi. One of my favorite restaurants is right across the street Mio's.

Lancer520
03-12-06, 09:26
I walked by Help last night about 11:00. The patio was full, with the normal sharks circling the pen.

I saw one new face, a very tall girl, 6'0" in heels, very young, she said she was 19? Brenda

I quickly asked about custo. Without blinking, she said $R300. I smiled and said she must be joking and she said, no joke. I asked if this was TLN and she replied, "TIEMPO SUFFCIENT". Now you are joking I told her. I asked her to confirm this, and she implied " One pop and you are finished"

Goodbye and good luck Darling...


IMO, The upper league has definitely left town. I know the faces pretty well after 6 months, so I recognize the new ones. There are always a few new girls, but there are many of the same faces, in the same places, night after night. These girls really are good actresses, to perform the same lines, night after night - " you are so special to me, so lindo, so bonito". The guys are excited, as the first timers are getting attention like never before. I really can only take Help in small doses, or the place seems like an ongoing tela novella, with bad acting.

I am becoming a fan of " Bang Bang" or as the local say bangeee bangeee. I am not sure why Brazilians are interested in an 1870's western town in the US, with bad acting, and several guys dressed like women as central characters. Although, A few of the leading ladies are smoking hot!

After my disapointing experience at Help, I was bored, so I went to Bob's next door to get a burger. I was standing in line and a GDP, standing in front of me, with nice spiked heels, decided to put one of her stiletto heels sharply down on my bare toes (havianas). Mother fucker... She did not even so much as offer a "Disculpe" (sorry), as I was jumping around Bob's like a monkey.

Side note - Some Brazilian women can give any truck driver a go for his money when it comes to spitting. I have seen so many normal, attractive girls walking down the street, lean over, and let a huge ball of spit fly, and not even break stride.The little Kenworth Queens.

As always, prices will be whatever you can negotiate, so the R$300 quote does not mean all is lost. I am sure she would have gone lower, but I did not have the energy to negotiate with her. It was easier to just walk away.

IBZI'm getting very jealous busting my ass 60 hours a week while your having all the fun. I need a Rio pass from work real soon. Save me some Bunda. Remember that I said 15 this time.

Bravo
03-12-06, 10:37
Gents,

I'll ebe in Rion next month and wanted to try a different flavor. Any recommendations on any very small waist large bunda asian ladies.

Obrigado!

Dude, thats like asking someone to show you Haley's comet! You might see it only ONCE in your lifetime. I am almost 40 and I am still waiting to see an asian girl with an ass like a brasilian:-(

Truant
03-12-06, 11:36
Sign up for a four year universidade course, get a four year visa, and drop out of school. Four year visa, no problem.

IBZ

Or go to your local consulate and show you are a "pensioner" (aposonado) with at least US$2000/month income and you will get a permanent visa. Or have a baby in Brazil, instant citizenship.

Bubba Boy
03-12-06, 14:26
Dude, thats like asking someone to show you Haley's comet! You might see it only ONCE in your lifetime. I am almost 40 and I am still waiting to see an asian girl with an ass like a brasilian:-(

Go to sao paulo, there is a very large population of Japonese there. I think you will find this without a problem.

Bubba Boy
03-12-06, 14:48
TJ Fannatic sent me a PM stating that he doesn't think Brasil keeps records well enough to keep track of your comings and goings and hence thinks it is doable to visit more than the 180 days. My answer to this is Yes they are quite inefficient but they do keep computerised records of your passport number when entering brasil and it does come up in front of them when you enter. I have seen this happen, the customs guy specifically stated to me last time that he knew I was there 3 months ago for a 3 month stay and asked how long I was staying this time. Even though I had stayed 170 days of the last year he did stamp me another 90 visa on entry after i told him I will be there for only 6 days - which was the truth, I stayed for New Years eve only. Of course I could have just stayed another 90 days but this may have caused problems the next time I entered, maybe - maybe not.

I have 2 passports from different countries and am thinking that they will not tie the 2 together, hence I could stay up to a year without issues as long as I come and go within the allotted 90 days. Sure the name and DOB will be the same but I am thinking they do not have computers sophisticated enough or the will to cross check them.

I am aware of the pension rule and have discussed this with people in Rio. I can get the $2500 per month no problem but as I am not yet 40 it is a bit of a stretch to say I am a "Pensioner". Of course I could fake a disability. Having said this I would prefer a more iron clad way of doing this.

ibiza007: Thankyou for your suggestion. This may work but I am thinking you will have to pay the not cheap tuition fees to stay. The uni's I know charge USD$10,000+ per year for foreigners. I am sure they will support your application as long as you "support" the uni. Could be expensive, maybe worth a shot, there maybe cheaper ways.

I have friends in other South American countries that stay on the following premise: They start a company for $2500, then they employ themselves through the company stating that they can't find a local to fill the position - not difficult to argue for some high tech specialised English only speaking jobs. I own an internet company that would be perfect for this, start a South American office (that does not work I might add!). As soon as the application is lodged they can leave and enter the country as if it has been passed. They can continue to do this until it is finally processed which usually takes a year or so. I was wondering if anyone has gone down this route in Brasil or know of someone that has done so.

Bravo
03-12-06, 19:01
Go to sao paulo, there is a very large population of Japonese there. I think you will find this without a problem.

Missed the point. You will find a huge population of Japanese girls in SP, but trying to find one with a bunda on her, is the big challenge!!

Ibiza007
03-12-06, 19:41
Maybe you can post a personal in the Sao Paulo newspaper:

Seeking - Japanese , cheesecake and ice cream lover preferred.

The Japanese eat to healthy to get big bunda.

IBZ


Missed the point. You will find a huge population of Japanese girls in SP, but trying to find one with a bunda on her, is the big challenge!!

Exec Talent
03-12-06, 19:45
I had a good chuckle reading the report thread today. A poster said that don't be a BFE because it is the right thing to do, do it because it serves your own purpose. Well, I recall the same poster having a less then enjoyable experience with a Japanese Brazilian, Flavia who you can find at Help and who I saw at lunch today. With me Flavia went well beyond a GFE. After I read the negative post about her, I asked her how someone could have such a bad experience. She said, basically, if a guy is a jerk, her gets treated like one. Seems someone is not very good at pretending.

Treat women well because it is the right thing to do. A by-product is that most of the time they will reciprocate. Some of you guys age, but you never seem to get it. BTW, thanks for the good laugh.

Ibiza007
03-12-06, 19:55
When I was living in London, I ran across several Asians that came to London to learn English. And then then dropped out of school two months later and went to work.

Maybe a language school, i.e., you are in Brasil to learn Portuguese for a year, would be a less expensive front. Ten hours a week of Portuguese lessons, attend 3. Just an idea. I know what you are saying about universities, but I think you can probably get accepted, and submit your visa request with a small deposit on tuition, and then request an emergency refund, as your family, your whole family has been stricken with a horrible disease ( kidding ).

Just a few ideas. Hope you find the answer you are looking for. Let me know if I can help in a serious way. PM me if you need something. I can ask about the new business angle to some people I know.

IBZ


TJ Fannatic sent me a PM stating that he doesn't think Brasil keeps records well enough to keep track of your comings and goings and hence thinks it is doable to visit more than the 180 days. My answer to this is Yes they are quite inefficient but they do keep computerised records of your passport number when entering brasil and it does come up in front of them when you enter. I have seen this happen, the customs guy specifically stated to me last time that he knew I was there 3 months ago for a 3 month stay and asked how long I was staying this time. Even though I had stayed 170 days of the last year he did stamp me another 90 visa on entry after i told him I will be there for only 6 days - which was the truth, I stayed for New Years eve only. Of course I could have just stayed another 90 days but this may have caused problems the next time I entered, maybe - maybe not.

I have 2 passports from different countries and am thinking that they will not tie the 2 together, hence I could stay up to a year without issues as long as I come and go within the allotted 90 days. Sure the name and DOB will be the same but I am thinking they do not have computers sophisticated enough or the will to cross check them.

I am aware of the pension rule and have discussed this with people in Rio. I can get the $2500 per month no problem but as I am not yet 40 it is a bit of a stretch to say I am a "Pensioner". Of course I could fake a disability. Having said this I would prefer a more iron clad way of doing this.

ibiza007: Thankyou for your suggestion. This may work but I am thinking you will have to pay the not cheap tuition fees to stay. The uni's I know charge USD$10,000+ per year for foreigners. I am sure they will support your application as long as you "support" the uni. Could be expensive, maybe worth a shot, there maybe cheaper ways.

I have friends in other South American countries that stay on the following premise: They start a company for $2500, then they employ themselves through the company stating that they can't find a local to fill the position - not difficult to argue for some high tech specialised English only speaking jobs. I own an internet company that would be perfect for this, start a South American office (that does not work I might add!). As soon as the application is lodged they can leave and enter the country as if it has been passed. They can continue to do this until it is finally processed which usually takes a year or so. I was wondering if anyone has gone down this route in Brasil or know of someone that has done so.

Ibiza007
03-12-06, 20:02
You need to get fired and start collecting unemployment, as we discussed last time you were here. How much longer do you need to go before you can get laid off, or get some type of medical leave?

And I do have a part time job here; reporting for the Daily ISG forum, the pay sucks, but the benefits and job location make up for the lack of pay. I think ISG has assigned and allowed me to concentrate more on the human interest story side of Rio. I do not concentrate on the financial section. I leave that to others.

IBZ


I'm getting very jealous busting my ass 60 hours a week while your having all the fun. I need a Rio pass from work real soon. Save me some Bunda. Remember that I said 15 this time.