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Most cambios in Rio are only giving $R2.00 to $R2.02 for each dollar for the past two weeks. HELP was giving $2.05 on Easter Sunday night.
Nothing official yet but from a friend of mine who has big businesses in SP. Needless to say, I certainly hope he's wrong.
Where did you see that?
Gents,
Normally when I travel to Rio, I tend to purchase a TIM sim card online for $50+, but I know I get get it cheaper in Rio. I do this to avoid the hassles to be able to communicate as soon as I touch down. I know sim cards can be purchased at the Rio Sol mall with a passport or at a local TIM store on NS or in Ipanema, but is it possible to purchase a SIM card at the airport on a SUNDAY, since this is the day of the week I will arrive in Rio?
Thanks.
Sunset Strip
04-14-07, 19:47
I am not sure how there can be a targeted exhange rate. There are just too many variables that can affect the exchange rate for government's to affect small changes in the rate. There are things, of course, a government can do that will drastically change the rate, but I am not sure how Brazil can somehow set the exchange rate at 1.7 for US dollars.
It has taken about 4 years for the rate to settle at about 2 to 1, but a lot of that has to do with the US economic and political situtation, over which Brazil has little control.
I would stop worrying about the exhange rate because there are still bargains to be had in Rio, even more so in other parts of Brazil. Plus, the more you go to Rio, the less you get charged tourist type prices. For example, I always get a nice apartment on the beach in Copa for $50/high season, no deposits.
Girls come cheaper for regulars, as well. When you are a regular most of these girls use your pad as a kind of crash spot where they come in and cook and eat with you. Yeah, they go out to HELP, etc. But for the most part you do not pay, or pay much less for all the night.
TJ
Girls come cheaper for regulars, as well. When you are a regular most of these girls use your pad as a kind of crash spot where they come in and cook and eat with you. Yeah, they go out to HELP, etc. But for the most part you do not pay, or pay much less for all the night.
TJ
I couldn't agree with you more. I've had girls I met on previous trips come right in the apartment ,disrobe down to their g-strings and just make themselves comfortable. Go out to Help and come back later or come back in the morning to get their things. I fly tomorrow. Can't wait!
RR
PincheCabron
04-17-07, 21:12
Hey fellas,
I'm planning on going to Brazil this summer, possibly around July. How's the huntin (poosy wise) and weather around this period as it's officially winter (seasonally anyway) in that country. Just in general is July a good time? Thanks in advance for any responses.
RR
Trippleecks
04-18-07, 12:58
Brazil relies almost solely on exports and tourism to run the country so a 2 to 1 exchange rate actually hurts Brazil. The Finance Minister said he would like to see a 2.5 - 2.7 exchange rate for Brazil. The Dollar losing strength worldwide is a big factor in Brazil and other Countries.
The USA would like to keep the Dollar low at this time, so they can export more and more. It’s a juggling act that is much too complicated for me to comprehend.
RioFavelaboy
04-18-07, 13:46
Hey fellas,
I'm planning on going to Brazil this summer, possibly around July. How's the huntin (poosy wise) and weather around this period as it's officially winter (seasonally anyway) in that country. Just in general is July a good time? Thanks in advance for any responses.
RRPinche all I can say my Man July any other year I'd tell you the Pickings would be like shooting fish in a barrell but this year July is the start of the Pan AM games in Rio! So I think the Girls are going to be there but maybe they might try to drive the prices up, but this is in and around HELP, Mia Pataca but I think if you like Help and MP you should stand firm on your own set price maybe tip R$25.00 If you feel you got superior service.
Don't spoil these GDP's man because I'm coming back down after you in AUG and then the rest of us have to suffer (lol)
Dude again hit the Termas's and the good agencies these guys have listed out here on the board and you can't go wrong. Stand Firm on the LOWEST PRICE though when barganing with the independent GDP's at HELP, MP, BALCONY and the Beach.
I was there last July the weather was high 70's and low 80's during the day but at night high 60's some nights you may need a jacket. It is Winter in July in Rio bro.
Bro July in my opinion is always a Good bet at any other time but Copacabana is unforgiving with price hiking when they have events going on there, you may need to secure an Apartment now! So if you are touching down in July get your Airline ticket now and book the apartment before you do anything.
Have fun and happy Mongering! I'll be in Rio Friday and Then again for last part of May and first week of June. (Mongering)
Brazil relies almost solely on exports and tourism to run the country so a 2 to 1 exchange rate actually hurts Brazil. The Finance Minister said he would like to see a 2.5 - 2.7 exchange rate for Brazil. The Dollar losing strength worldwide is a big factor in Brazil and other Countries.
The USA would like to keep the Dollar low at this time, so they can export more and more. It’s a juggling act that is much too complicated for me to comprehend.The R$ is OVERVALUED. Should be trading US$ 1 = R$ 3/3.5. US has a big-time current acct deficit.
It depends on when you plan on coming. The Pan-American games will be taking place on 13 - 27 July, which means there will be a whole lot of tourists there that wouldn't be there otherwise. Other than that, you have the allure of tits and ass all over the place; that never is in short supply. Have fun...
Hey fellas,
I'm planning on going to Brazil this summer, possibly around July. How's the huntin (poosy wise) and weather around this period as it's officially winter (seasonally anyway) in that country. Just in general is July a good time? Thanks in advance for any responses.
RR
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Bacon Butty
04-18-07, 16:53
What do you guys think about Rio vs Sao Paulo in terms of each city's merits as a mongering destination. I am going out there in the fall and need to book my flights around how long I spend in each city. I want to go to Rio for tourist reasons and have a free place to stay with a hottie but would considering leaving soonish and going back to SP where i'd have to fly in to if the putang is better. Any opinions on quality and also of price (in £ or $) between the two cities?
Oi Cabro,
Good luck finding affordable Hotels and Apartments during this period. I fear the pricing will be like during Carnaval.
During Carnaval some GDP's were asking and getting R500 from the newbie tourist!
http://www.rio2007.org.br/pan2007/ingles/indexing.asp
PincheCabron
04-18-07, 20:32
Thanks for the replies fellas. I had no idea there was a major event in Rio in July. Good looking out. 70s and 80s temperatures is right up my alley as I live in california. Don't worry about me driving up prices as I am a long time Cuba vet and have never paid more than $30-40 for services. Spertos report on el centro was of great interest but of course I will definitely hit the top 4 termas. I've always figured apartments were the way to go just like in cuba. One last inquiry! Does anyone know of any websites that has a schedule of what goes on in Rio concert wise (as in Rock, Hiphop etc.,)? Can't monger 24-7 but I know some would disagree. Thanks!
Brazil relies almost solely on exports and tourism to run the country so a 2 to 1 exchange rate actually hurts Brazil. The Finance Minister said he would like to see a 2.5 - 2.7 exchange rate for Brazil. The Dollar losing strength worldwide is a big factor in Brazil and other Countries.
The USA would like to keep the Dollar low at this time, so they can export more and more. It’s a juggling act that is much too complicated for me to comprehend.
I agree. The problem is with the US dollar more than the real. The whole world is pissed that it is so low. It makes their exports more expensive for us. European tourism is expecting a down year this summer because European vacations will be so much more epxensive for Americans.
Another factor is our interest rates. They should have been higher for years. But the post 9/11 recession was addressed using lower interest rates. That helped cause the housing bubble. The too low interest rates helped lead to a lower exchange rate because most other countries had higher interest rates. (In general, higher inflation rates and lower interest rates cause lower exchange rates.)
I am planning a trip to Rio for this coming November and just wanted to know of any travel sites or travel agents, that people can recommend for buying the lowest priced airline tickets, that people have used in the past?
Im travelling from NY, are their any direct flights to Rio, seems like all flights are to Sao Paulo, I am interested in direct flights primarily.
Is there anything good to do in November, other than mongering?
Any feedback would be helpful, thanks!
Ray X - There USED to be direct flights from JFK to GIG by either Varig or Tam or both. But no more after 9-11. These days you can fly direct from either Newark (EWR) or Kennedy (JFK) to Sao Paulo (GRU) and then wait an hour or so to make the short 45min flight on to Rio. I mainly fly American or Continental.
I believe there are direct flights into Rio from Miami, Houston and Atlanta. Might be other cities down South that do as well but since you are based out of New York you'll have to make that one stop, sorry.
Nice Travel Agency? Try BACC on 46th Street.
Trippleecks
04-20-07, 12:08
Chingon ... Pan Am Games. Since most of the actual events are taking place in Barra de Tijuca and other areas far from Copacabana and Ipanema prices on apartments will not be effected as much as you think. People going to Rio for the games will want to stay as close to the events as possible. I doubt they would be willing to take a 1-2 hour bus ride (with heavier than normal traffic on the ONE road between the two) from Copa. to Barra twice a day.
RioFavelaboy
04-20-07, 14:10
Chingon ... Pan Am Games. Since most of the actual events are taking place in Barra de Tijuca and other areas far from Copacabana and Ipanema prices on apartments will not be effected as much as you think. People going to Rio for the games will want to stay as close to the events as possible. I doubt they would be willing to take a 1-2 hour bus ride (with heavier than normal traffic on the ONE road between the two) from Copa. to Barra twice a day.Ok Nodd_N
Now you have a point about people wanting to be close and all, but I'll tell you I've talked to three Apartment brokers already and as alot of Money mongering people do down in Copa and Impanema, the first thing out of there mouth was you know the games are happening in July and if you rent during the events you'll have to pay more.
So I'm telling you from experience if you go in July go before the games start and leave before they start that way you'll have a great experience and have more money in your pocket for the more important things such as (Muito Mongering)
Chingon ... Pan Am Games. Since most of the actual events are taking place in Barra de Tijuca and other areas far from Copacabana and Ipanema prices on apartments will not be effected as much as you think. People going to Rio for the games will want to stay as close to the events as possible. I doubt they would be willing to take a 1-2 hour bus ride (with heavier than normal traffic on the ONE road between the two) from Copa. to Barra twice a day.Nodd, Chingon is right.
I moved my trip up early into June, because the brokers were trying to boost up the prices for July.
I don't think the rate boost is lagit.
But they will do anything to get that extra buck out of you.
Nodd_N:
I hope you're right, but am not sure.
A "friend" of mine was looking to move from her current apartment in Copa.
Mine you, she is a local. According to her, apartment prices are currently high-R$2000+/month. She went to some of the apartment rental agencies in Copa. She had friends looking for her too. Also went to an agency she used before. All with the same result.
She was looking for a 2 bedroom apartment in the Copa area. I search Oglobo's online ads and found one in Copa for $R1750/month. They wanted a Fiador and a 3yr lease.
A search of Balcao ads turned up a limited number of apartments.
She was told to look again after the Pan Am games.
El Austriaco
04-20-07, 18:10
Chingon ... Pan Am Games. Since most of the actual events are taking place in Barra de Tijuca and other areas far from Copacabana and Ipanema prices on apartments will not be effected as much as you think. People going to Rio for the games will want to stay as close to the events as possible. I doubt they would be willing to take a 1-2 hour bus ride (with heavier than normal traffic on the ONE road between the two) from Copa. to Barra twice a day.
I agree with Chingon. Considering that, AFAIK, about 85% of the hotel capacity in Rio is located in Ipanema and Copacabana, I can't imagine how the Pan Am games could NOT affect these areas, too. Heavily.
EA
I agree with Chingon. Considering that, AFAIK, about 85% of the hotel capacity in Rio is located in Ipanema and Copacabana, I can't imagine how the Pan Am games could NOT affect these areas, too. Heavily.
EA
I agree also guys ; I am sure there will be a trend to drive those prices up wherever you stay at those times , (Carnaval or PanAm Games).
Hope I am wrong.
El Austriaco
04-20-07, 23:11
Brazil just formally submitted its bid for the 2014 WC. And apparently, after Colombia officially withdrew on April 11 this year, Brazil may be the only one bidding for it:
http://www.soccerway.com/news/2007/April/13/brazil-alone-in-2014-world-cup-bid-as-colombia-pulls-out/
EA
Almotu, thanks for the info regarding flights to GIG from NY.
Do you know of any hotels that are monger friendly in Copa or Ipanema, we are trying to stay away from apt rentals for this first trip to GIG.
Any insight would be helpful, thanks again!
Ray, I don't mind giving you my two cents but you should not forget to do your own research and ready Bubba's Guide and search through the Rio - Hotels thread.
I have never stayed in Ipanema so I have no answers for you there. Don't know why you are specifically staying away from renting apartments on this trip, for my money renting an apartment is the most economical way to stay in Copa. You can get a decent apartment for $50-65USD per night. It's been over two years since I stayed at a hotel so prices might be different but figure to pay $80-110USD per night. I can recommend two hotels in Copacabana . . .
1) Atlantico Copacabana (right near Termas L'uomo)
http://www.atlanticocopacabana.com.br/
2) Princess Copacabana (walking distance from Blame-It-on-Rio Travel and Tudo e Facil internet)
http://www.turisbarra.com/hoteis/princess/princess.html
I searched google and could not come up with this hotel's own website though.
These two hotels have consistent policies for female guests and provide decent customer service. The Atlantico has a very nice buffet breakfast included in the room rate. As far as I can remember they will not charge you if you bring 1 girl to stay overnight. You are required to have her register with the front desk though. This is a good idea and can actually help you if anything goes wrong.
Trippleecks
04-21-07, 13:33
If the brokers are telling you that prices are more during the games you're talking to the wrong brokers. Most know that the games will have little effect on the number of people staying in Copa. or Ipa. Like I said before, who the hell wants to travel 1-2 hours each way to Barra or downtown, when they can just rent in Barra.
Chingon.. 2000-2400R a month seems like the norm now for renting a furn 1 bedroom apt. in Copa. Unfurnished 2 bedroom apts. could actually be more.
Be careful when you read anything in the papers about rent prices, because that 1,750R price, most likely did not include the condo fee and IPTU. So it's more like 2,200R for 2.5 years and having them ask for a co-signer is normal. The co-signer is because of the laws in Brazil. Once someone in the apartment and decides to stop paying rent, it can take nearly a year to get them out, using the court system. With a co-signer, they have someone that has a job and owns property to go after.
Nodd_N:
"Like I said before, who the hell wants to travel 1-2 hours each way to Barra or downtown, when they can just rent in Barra."
To answer your question Nodd_N, People who have never been to Rio and do not know the area. That's who.
EA thinks "about 85% of the hotel capacity in Rio is located in Ipanema and Copacabana." I would agree with that too.
When one goes looking for rental apartments or hotels in Rio on the net, the search finds locations on Copa and Ipanema.
That was my experience my first trip to Rio. I had no idea where or what Barra was. Now that I am a frequent visitor I have found rental rates in Barra have been higher than in Copa/Ipanema. (Maybe I'm still looking in the wrong place.)
I take it you are in Rio, Nodd. Help a fellow out, Which brokers do YOU recommend?
In the past a 1 bedroom furnished apartment could be found in Copa for about $R1600/month. (I know, I looked, I rented.) Now the norm is $R2000-2500? So the prices HAVE increased. Why? Also please explain why an unfurnished apartment would cost more than a furnished one? That I do not understand.
BTW, my "friend" is looking for a 2 bedroom apartment in Copa, furnished or unfurnished. Looking for a 12 month rental period.
Thanks in advance
El Austriaco
04-21-07, 19:29
If the brokers are telling you that prices are more during the games you're talking to the wrong brokers. Most know that the games will have little effect on the number of people staying in Copa. or Ipa. Like I said before, who the hell wants to travel 1-2 hours each way to Barra or downtown, when they can just rent in Barra.
Well, maybe the brokers are the wrong people to talk to. I remember back last year, ALL the Copacabana hookers already had dollar signs in their eyes just fantasizing about the influx of newbie tourists for the Panamerican Games in 2007. In any case, they didn't seem too concerned that nobody would the hell want to travel 1 to 2 hours each way from Barra. Or is it more likely they were assuming that most of these tourists would be staying in Copacabana or Ipanema, just like anyone else?
EA
Ken_Apples
04-22-07, 11:05
Gentlemen!
When it comes to NON-Pro, brazilian girls, my experience is that the girls from North-east (from Bahia/Salvador up to Fortaleza) is more "caring", i.e more passionated, closer to their feelings, more upbeat and so on, compared to their sisters in the more developed southern parts of Brazil.
I'm confident that you can fint a real sweet girl in the south as well, as this comes down to cemistry and personality in the end, BUT:
What country g e n e r a l l y speaking you think has the most "caring" women i south america?
I think of maybe Colombia vs Brazil, or even Dominican republic (pan-american countries is also ok...)
Please write some input on your experiences, and we might even get some really good shared information here on the subject. :)
Best regards to all fellow mongers around the world.
In love and sex, we trust! ;) / Ken Apples
Trippleecks
04-22-07, 14:13
Why is it that people assume that prices on apartments would not rise, like everything else in Rio?? Busses have gone up to 2.r from 1.r in only 5 years, 100%… Taxies have gone up from 2.3R to 4.3 in 5 years, nearly 100%. Gas has gone up, food prices have gone up. Minimum salaries have gone from 260r a month to 380.r a month.. You used to be able to get a TLN for 100.r and now the norm seems to be 200.r….. Everything has gone up, so why not apartments?
Chingon.. Just because you rented a furnished 1 bedroom for 1600.r for a month, means little. When was that? Where was the apartment? What amenities did it have? If anyone thinks all 1 bedroom apts. are priced the same, think again. When I mentioned that a Furn 1 bedroom apt. for a month was about 2000-2500.r and that an Unfurn. 2 bedroom apt could be more, I was not kidding. I did not say anything about the price of an Unfurn. 1 bedroom apt.. I think you may have miss-read my post.
12 month leases are actually illegal in Brazil. There are only 2 types of legal leases, under 90 days and the 30 month lease. Anything else is not legal. Also the way the rental laws are written in Brazil, if a Brazilian has possession of an apartment and decided to stop paying the rent the owner would have to take the person to court. Lawyer fees and the way the courts are it could take a year to get them out of the apartment. That is why most people ask for a Fiador or (co-signer). The co-signer must have a job that pays 2-3 times the amount of rent and must own real estate in Rio. This way the person has someone to go after that has money.
El Austriaco.. who the hell listens to hookers about future prices..??? They wanted more money when the Rolling Stones played at the beach also… Anyone pay higher prices then? Who knows. I sure as hell did not.
I have been looking to move to Brazil for a long time now and have hired Kenn at www.ez-riorentals.com to bird-dog apartments for me. With his help, I think I found a nice 2 bedroom apt. a few streets away from the beach in Copa. for 1700.reais + condo and IPTU, or about 2200.r a month. It even has 2 parking spaces. The owner is willing to accept a 3 month deposit solely because I am not Brazilian and they feel that I would be much easier to evict if the need arose. I think Kenn convinced them of that. If I decide to take it, I’ll sign a 30 month contract.
El Austriaco
04-22-07, 19:34
El Austriaco.. who the hell listens to hookers about future prices..??? They wanted more money when the Rolling Stones played at the beach also… Anyone pay higher prices then? Who knows. I sure as hell did not.
My hotel SURE did jack up prices for the Stones. And considering that hookers are business women, too, listening to them about future demand (and, hence, prices) is about as good as listening to any other business person.
And honestly, I'd rather get fucked by a hooker than by a real-estate broker. Much more pleasant :)
EA
Trippleecks
04-22-07, 23:22
El Austriaco... That's very funny. Taking advice on money matters from Hookers.. Most of them never made it past the 8th grade. I laughed my ass off on that one... Thanks....
Guys,
Just reminiscing . . . found a couple of ATM receipts from the distant past.
Aug 18, 2003 = $R2.95 to the dollar
July 25, 2006 = $R2.42
Ahh, the good olde days!
The dollar keeps dropping, apartment rates keep rising, airfare is high, crime is rampant, and soon trigger happy federal troops will patrol the streets. One has to be crazy to go to Rio now.
I arrive in 25 days....LOL
Is mongering as easy in Brazil as it is in, let's say, Costa Rica (i.e. you can go to one hotel and find a couple hundred working ladies)? Please let me know your thoughts.
I am trying to decide if we should go to Costa Rica or Brazil. I have been to CR many times. I don't have enough time to go to Asia this time.
Trippleecks
04-25-07, 12:48
CR is like a 7 11. You can find something you need but will pay a higher price for it.. Rio is like a WalMart.. plenty to choose from and at wholesale prices.
Exec Talent
04-25-07, 15:01
CR is like a 7 11. You can find something you need but will pay a higher price for it.. Rio is like a WalMart.. plenty to choose from and at wholesale prices.
I agree for the most part that there is plenty to chose from although many of the better girls have gone elsewhere. However, wholesale prices is far from accurate. With Varig not flying to/from the US, the airlines have increased air fares. The exchange rate is now about 2:1 and because of the the strong Euro, there are many Europeans here willing to pay R$400+ for 1-2 hours and more for TLN. Given the additonal costs of a hotel or even an apartment, Rio is no longer a cheap date regardless of what those with a pecuniary interest in you coming to Rio might have you believe.
Exec. T and Nodd make good points. I will also throw language into the mix as well. Obviously, money is the international language that makes things happen in the hobby. So you will still have plenty of fun in termas and helpy ( I personally do not like the help scene ).
Since you reffered to the word "easy" in your question, I must throw in language as a potential barrier or obstacle, along with 2:1 exchange as well as other points made by mambers of this forum. At any rate, Brazil leaves CR in the dust, and I have been to the wonderful country of Costa Rica many times, just my humble opinion.
Do yourself the biggest favor, and learn the language, you will be rewarded exponentially. Have fun, and be safe.
I've been to San Jose, CR a few times, and Rio about 21 times. Here's my .2:
San Jose: A dirty, polluted city in the center of the country. About a 3.5hr flight from the US mainland. They speak Spanish there, but you'll find English speakers.
You'll get to taste almost all the flavors of Latin American females in a small area. If you're lucky, some of them may even be GFE. For the most part they're hard core pro's. Spend enough time there, and you'll start seeing the same faces.
The clubs, massage parlors and hotels are all within walking distance of each other. Unless things have changed since my trips, you'll be limited to staying in hotels.
The food was cheap, and I didn't go hungry. I didn't find any 4 star restaurants, but that was not the purpose of my trip. And on that note, I didn't meet any women that I wanted to take to a fancy restaurant.
If you want to go to the beach, Jaco, the nearest one, is a 2hr roller coaster bus ride away. For me that beach, left a lot to be desired. Also you have to bring sand to that beach.
San Jose, IMHO, is good for a 4 day weekend. My first trip there I stayed 10 days, much too long. Towards the end of that trip, I had seen, and had been to all the hot spots. Frankly, I was bored.
But I had "met" women from Guatemala, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Columbia, (WOW,) Cuba, San Jose and even one from Russia!
Rio: a dirty, highly congested city on the coast. But the geography is beautiful. An 8hr flight from the mainland US. They speak Portuguese, you'll find few English speakers.
After "meeting" all those hot Latinas, none of them could hold a candle to the Brazilian Garota in terms of shear sexuality. (Yes, I agree, the Colombians are more beautiful.) But it wasn't until I arrived in Brazil, that I experienced the "completa" session. I had never done, nor was I offered anal until I arrived in Brazil.
Theres lots to do in Rio. 10 days is not enough. You can roll out of bed, cross the street, and be on a beach full of thong clad beauties. You have the option of staying in a hotel or apartment.
Food is cheap, and you can easily find many 4 star restaurants. And you will find several women you'll want to take to fancy restaurants.
Everything is spread out, so you'll have to cab it to get anywhere. Also lots of clubs to meet non pro women. (One that I know of in San Jose.)
Sure, some of the Garotas are hard core, but they're better at giving you a GFE fantasy. And you'll find Garotas of all shapes and colors.
Termas, nothing more needs to be said, it has to be experienced.
Come to Rio, and you'll never look at your hometown women the same way again.
Yes, the exchange rate sucks right now, it's more expensive to get and stay in Rio; and crime is rampant. I don't go anywhere else. But I have a bunda bias. I blame that on Rio. LOL
Lastly, BUNDA, BUNDA, BUNDA!!
If you're not an ass man now, you will be when you return home.
Hey guys,
I am planning my first trip toRio.
How is the security situation now?
Have heard a lot of negative stuff lately.
I think Nodd was referring to food, drink AND women, (depending where one goes-Vila Mimosa, anyone.)
Airfare-for a one time visit, I'd shop around the consolidator websites for cheap airfare.
Accommodations are where prices are currently high. Be a smart consumer and google search for apartments and/or hotels. If you're really savvy, search Rio's online newspaper classified ads. (Portuguese language skills required)
Bizzie:
STAY AWAY!!.......Crime is rampant, Men, women, and children are not safe. Federal troops will soon be patrolling the streets. and worst of all - the PAN AM Games start in 80 days!!! Oh and the sky is falling, OMG!!
BTW, when are you arriving?
I arrive in 23 days LOL :D
Bizzie:
STAY AWAY!!.......Crime is rampant, Men, women, and children are not safe. Federal troops will soon be patrolling the streets. and worst of all - the PAN AM Games start in 80 days!!! Oh and the sky is falling, OMG!!
BTW, when are you arriving?
I arrive in 23 days LOL :D
Why would someone want to put him self through all that crap? For you experienced mongers, I can see why, but for me as the rookie??
I'll be there in 14 days:D
After seeing reports of guys getting 90 day Visas (or 180 days, don't remember which,) I'm happy to report that the Brazilian consulate in Chicago issued me my second 5 year visa. (The first one expired this March.)
A guy picking up about a dozen passports for a service, was surprised that 7 had the 5 year visa.
I arrive in 2 weeks. :D
Trippleecks
05-05-07, 15:34
Actually I was refering only to girls in Rio. Plenty more options in Rio than in CR. I should have been more specific I guess.. But as for food and rooms.. Apartments have not really gone up in Reais. I paid 120.reais for a nice 1 bedroom apartment a few years ago and the price is still 115-120.reais a day.. No increase there. As for food.. That may have gone up a bit. Just don't go to the expensive beach outdoor cafes. Go in a few blocks and the prices are still very reasonable.
The Dollar is what is fucking things up, not the REAL.
Actually I was refering only to girls in Rio. Plenty more options in Rio than in CR. I should have been more specific I guess.. But as for food and rooms.. Apartments have not really gone up in Reais. I paid 120.reais for a nice 1 bedroom apartment a few years ago and the price is still 115-120.reais a day.. No increase there. As for food.. That may have gone up a bit. Just don't go to the expensive beach outdoor cafes. Go in a few blocks and the prices are still very reasonable.
The Dollar is what is fucking things up, not the REAL.True! Ohh so Damn True! The Dollar is what's Fucking Things Up!
Exec Talent
05-07-07, 02:35
I was having a discussion with a guy from another board today when he brought up how much things have changed in Rio over the last four years. What really got me thinking was his statement that there is a "lower class of monger" in Rio than ever before.
Another thing I have noticed recently is that garotas seem to be having a lot more health issues and are missing in action more often because of those issues. Given that they are shared resources, I wonder if the two are related. I know I cringe many times on the plane here, walking around, in Help and the termas thinking that these are the guys doing these girls. Since many of the girls do BBBJs, it is all the more troublesome.
A few years back, most of the guys here were educated with more than a few dollars. Today, most I see here from the US have trouble speaking basic English, let alone Portuguese.
With the cost of getting here, exchange rate, rising domestic prices (including apartments), best girls working in Europe and low class mongers, Rio is becoming lesss and less attractive.
Any worldly travellers have other suggestions? I really don't like the flat butts and lack of muscle tone on the subservient Asian girls.
El Austriaco
05-07-07, 03:27
I was having a discussion with a guy from another board today when he brought up how much things have changed in Rio over the last four years. What really got me thinking was his statement that there is a "lower class of monger" in Rio than ever before.
I haven't been in Rio in exactly a year, but I spent a lot of time there in 2004 (three-and-a-half months), 2005 (two months), and 2006 (three months). But I ask myself, how does one define "low-class monger", anyway.
If anything, the tanking dollar should attract a higher tax bracket. I mean, since 2004, Rio is more expensive by 50%, anyway. Add rising R$ rates, the actual increase is more like 2/3. So that trend would suggest exactly the opposite.
If it's not the money aspect, what is it then? The way people talk, how they dress? Even that can be very deceptive. I all never forget when my ex started working at UCSF, and she got concerned about this almost homeless looking guy always mumbling incoherently and sniffing around the office. Since nobody had introduced them, one day she mustered up the courage and asked, "So what do you do around here. You are the janitor?"
He wasn't. Actually, he was the Dean, one of the world's leading biochemists and Chairman of the US Academy of Sciences.
I greatly respect your opinion, but excuse me for saying so, the suggestion of personal hygiene and possible diseases based on appearance is... well... quite a statement. That's almost as bad as some mongers believing that you just "know" whether a girl has a deadly disease or not. That's borderline irresponsible.
Look, the guys hanging out in Help and Meia Pataca and whatever not are are a pretty diverse bunch. Based on my experience, some are highly educated professionals, others are working class, some are loud louts, others very soft spoken, some are obnoxious drunks, others are obnoxious coke addicts, some are arrogant assholes, some the guy next door, some are gross, some are very well dressed, some are into their Mike in Brazil fantasy, some wanna live inside a rap movie for a while, you name it, it's probably there. Some are rich, some are poor, some in between. They are (we are) all mongers. I really fail to see the point to differentiate between "low-class" and "high-class" mongers. The one guy who once screwed me over was a know-it-all guy connected in the highest political ranks. For me, there are just cool guys and assholes. For me, the large majority fall into the former category. The two most ridiculous clowns I ever saw in Copacabana were two American guys dressed to the T in their designers suits, complete with hat and jewelry, smoking Cuban cigars standing on the corner of Miguel Lemos. They had their nose that high in the air, they wouldn't even want to talk to anyone.
I seriously wonder whether they ever got mugged. They sure tried everything to attract attention, probably unwillingly out of pure ignorance:)
I should write a post about different characters I have met in Rio. Like this guy dressed like Lionel Ritchie all the time hanging out in Meia Pataca. Just hilarious.
I guess you friends statement was just another case of monger snobbism and the ever present doomsday scenario for Rio. This stuff has been going on for years (it's as common as the rumor about Help closing), at least since I started writing on this board. Once, I took a look at the archives, back to 1995 or so, and you know what? People were writing about Rio going down the toilet, crime spiraling out of control, and prices getting really expensive, and the bad dollar rate, and the girls being so much hardcore, and Help is not longer what it was, and all the good girls running off to Europe, and all the stupid overpaying mongers having ruined Rio, and so on and so forth. Sound familiar?
So no reason to panick yet, I suppose. Business as usual.
I am writing this is as a professional, but certainly not executive, do have to work to survive, certainly not rich, not even well-to-do. I can't afford to stay at USD 100 hotels or eat at fancy restaurants all the time. I won't spend USD 3000 dollars on a one-week trip to Rio. But I do speak Portuguese very well, formally studied it and improved it in both Portugal and Brazil, in addition to a few other languages. I have traveled extensively in the world, to the tone of 50 countries or so. I guess that makes me a budget monger, yes. But low class?
Don't want to be antagonistic or anything, just provide a different viewpoint.
EA
WOW, this have to be one of the best post I read on here or anywhere in a long time, I heard the same thing about Rio going down because of the people coming there BACK in the late 70's lol
Thank you,
Kid Cisco
I haven't been in Rio in exactly a year, but I spent a lot of time there in 2004 (three-and-a-half months), 2005 (two months), and 2006 (three months). But I ask myself, how does one define "low-class monger", anyway.
If anything, the tanking dollar should attract a higher tax bracket. I mean, since 2004, Rio is more expensive by 50%, anyway. Add rising R$ rates, the actual increase is more like 2/3. So that trend would suggest exactly the opposite.
If it's not the money aspect, what is it then? The way people talk, how they dress? Even that can be very deceptive. I all never forget when my ex started working at UCSF, and she got concerned about this almost homeless looking guy always mumbling incoherently and sniffing around the office. Since nobody had introduced them, one day she mustered up the courage and asked, "So what do you do around here. You are the janitor?"
He wasn't. Actually, he was the Dean, one of the world's leading biochemists and Chairman of the US Academy of Sciences.
I greatly respect your opinion, but excuse me for saying so, the suggestion of personal hygiene and possible diseases based on appearance is... well... quite a statement. That's almost as bad as some mongers believing that you just "know" whether a girl has a deadly disease or not. That's borderline irresponsible.
Look, the guys hanging out in Help and Meia Pataca and whatever not are are a pretty diverse bunch. Based on my experience, some are highly educated professionals, others are working class, some are loud louts, others very soft spoken, some are obnoxious drunks, others are obnoxious coke addicts, some are arrogant assholes, some the guy next door, some are gross, some are very well dressed, some are into their Mike in Brazil fantasy, some wanna live inside a rap movie for a while, you name it, it's probably there. Some are rich, some are poor, some in between. They are (we are) all mongers. I really fail to see the point to differentiate between "low-class" and "high-class" mongers. The one guy who once screwed me over was a know-it-all guy connected in the highest political ranks. For me, there are just cool guys and assholes. For me, the large majority fall into the former category. The two most ridiculous clows I ever saw in Copacabana were two American guys dressed to the T in their designers suits, complete hat and jewelry, smoking Cuban cigars staning on the corner of Miguel Lemos. They had their nose that high in the air, they wouldn't even want to talk to anyone.
I seriously wonder whether they ever got mugged. They sure tried everything to attract attention, probably unwillingly out of pure ignorance:)
I should write a post about different characters I have met in Rio. Like this guy dressed like Lionel Ritchie all the time hanging out in Meia Pataca. Just hilarious.
I guess you friends statement was just another case of monger snobbism and the ever present doomsday scenario for Rio. This stuff has been going on for years (it's as common as the rumor about Help closing), at least since I started writing on this board. Once, I took a look at the archives, back to 1995 or so, and you know what? People were writing about Rio going down the toilet, crime spiraling out of control, and prices getting really expensive, and the bad dollar rate, and the girls being so much hardcore, and Help is not longer what it was, and all the good girls running off to Europe, and all the stupid overpaying mongers having ruined Rio, and so on and so forth. Sound familiar?
So no reason to panick yet, I suppose. Business as usual.
I am writing this is as a professional, but certainly not executive, do have to work to survive, certainly not rich, not even well-to-do. I can't afford to stay at USD 100 hotels or eat at fancy restaurants all the time. I won't spend USD 3000 dollars on a one-week trip to Rio. But I do speak Portuguese very well, formally studied it and improved it in both Portugal and Brazil, in addition to a few other languages. I have traveled extensively in the world, to the tone of 50 countries or so. I guess that makes me a budget monger, yes. But low class?
Don't want to be antagonistic or anything, just provide a different viewpoint.
EA
Thank you,
El Austriaco
There will always be someone who will always try to put himself a notch above all others.
I guess to make themselve feel far superior.
I myself don't take the time out to judge others.
Taken multiple of trips to Rio and ALWAYS seem to have a marvelous time.
Guess I am focusing on the bundas.
Our differences seems to make us very similar.
I haven't been in Rio in exactly a year, but I spent a lot of time there in 2004 (three-and-a-half months), 2005 (two months), and 2006 (three months). But I ask myself, how does one define "low-class monger", anyway.
If anything, the tanking dollar should attract a higher tax bracket. I mean, since 2004, Rio is more expensive by 50%, anyway. Add rising R$ rates, the actual increase is more like 2/3. So that trend would suggest exactly the opposite.
If it's not the money aspect, what is it then? The way people talk, how they dress? Even that can be very deceptive. I all never forget when my ex started working at UCSF, and she got concerned about this almost homeless looking guy always mumbling incoherently and sniffing around the office. Since nobody had introduced them, one day she mustered up the courage and asked, "So what do you do around here. You are the janitor?"
He wasn't. Actually, he was the Dean, one of the world's leading biochemists and Chairman of the US Academy of Sciences.
I greatly respect your opinion, but excuse me for saying so, the suggestion of personal hygiene and possible diseases based on appearance is... well... quite a statement. That's almost as bad as some mongers believing that you just "know" whether a girl has a deadly disease or not. That's borderline irresponsible.
Look, the guys hanging out in Help and Meia Pataca and whatever not are are a pretty diverse bunch. Based on my experience, some are highly educated professionals, others are working class, some are loud louts, others very soft spoken, some are obnoxious drunks, others are obnoxious coke addicts, some are arrogant assholes, some the guy next door, some are gross, some are very well dressed, some are into their Mike in Brazil fantasy, some wanna live inside a rap movie for a while, you name it, it's probably there. Some are rich, some are poor, some in between. They are (we are) all mongers. I really fail to see the point to differentiate between "low-class" and "high-class" mongers. The one guy who once screwed me over was a know-it-all guy connected in the highest political ranks. For me, there are just cool guys and assholes. For me, the large majority fall into the former category. The two most ridiculous clowns I ever saw in Copacabana were two American guys dressed to the T in their designers suits, complete with hat and jewelry, smoking Cuban cigars standing on the corner of Miguel Lemos. They had their nose that high in the air, they wouldn't even want to talk to anyone.
I seriously wonder whether they ever got mugged. They sure tried everything to attract attention, probably unwillingly out of pure ignorance:)
I should write a post about different characters I have met in Rio. Like this guy dressed like Lionel Ritchie all the time hanging out in Meia Pataca. Just hilarious.
I guess you friends statement was just another case of monger snobbism and the ever present doomsday scenario for Rio. This stuff has been going on for years (it's as common as the rumor about Help closing), at least since I started writing on this board. Once, I took a look at the archives, back to 1995 or so, and you know what? People were writing about Rio going down the toilet, crime spiraling out of control, and prices getting really expensive, and the bad dollar rate, and the girls being so much hardcore, and Help is not longer what it was, and all the good girls running off to Europe, and all the stupid overpaying mongers having ruined Rio, and so on and so forth. Sound familiar?
So no reason to panick yet, I suppose. Business as usual.
I am writing this is as a professional, but certainly not executive, do have to work to survive, certainly not rich, not even well-to-do. I can't afford to stay at USD 100 hotels or eat at fancy restaurants all the time. I won't spend USD 3000 dollars on a one-week trip to Rio. But I do speak Portuguese very well, formally studied it and improved it in both Portugal and Brazil, in addition to a few other languages. I have traveled extensively in the world, to the tone of 50 countries or so. I guess that makes me a budget monger, yes. But low class?
Don't want to be antagonistic or anything, just provide a different viewpoint.
EA
Any worldly travellers have other suggestions? I really don't like the flat butts and lack of muscle tone on the subservient Asian girls.
I've sworn off on Rio for a while, primarily because of the expense. I was there for 8 days in August 2006 after a two year absence. I was shocked at how expensive it had become, not only because of the exchange rate but because prices had risen considerably in reais as well. Dinner for myself and a garota at Antiquarius came to nearly US$200, as opposed to US$80 a few years ago. Taxis from copa to the Sheraton sometimes came to R15, when they used to be R6-8. So after 11 happy mongering trips to Rio spanning 8 years, enough is enough, at least for a while. So I probably won't be back until the exchange rate goes back to 3 or 4 reais to the dollar, which probably won't happen until Bush is out of office and the Iraq war ends.
My position on the "lower class of monger" issue is probably halfway between yours and EA's. I stopped going to Meia Pataca years ago because it has long since been taken over by riffraff. I've never been to Help!, so I can't comment on the quality of monger there. In the copa termas, I have seen the situation change from my being probably the only gringo in there to a majority of the customers being gringos, but only on Sunday, when most of the brasileiros are home with their wives. Most of the gringos in the termas do not appear to be "lower class" however, although you do get your share of louts from time to time. However, I don't go to Rio to hang with gringos, so recently I started frequenting the Centro termas and found them a pleasant surprise: cheaper, more girls, all attractive, hardly any gringos, no attitude on the part of staff.
So what are the alternatives to Rio and Brazil? Europe is out--way too expensive with the value of the euro hovering around US$135. Asia, especially Thailand, is always ripe for mongering and relatively inexpensive, but it's hard to get to, and Asian women usually don't have physiques that are a match for latinas. Africa is too dangerous. Reportedly some places in the Middle East, especially Dubai, are pussy paradises, but I can't report firsthand. So by process of elimination, I'll limit my responses to Latin America.
I've mongered in every country in Latin America except the Dominican Republic and Haiti (if Haiti can be considered Latin America). In making my recommendation, I'm considering price and the quality of girls, with absence of gringo tourists being a less important consideration. Bear in mind that you'll never find another Rio; Rio is unique. The termas as we know it exists only in Rio, so don't expect a replication elsewhere. That having been said, here are the countries I would recommend:
EL SALVADOR: Probably one of Latin America's hidden gems. Easy to get to from the US, less so from Europe. Several good brothels, best is Kiss Fresh. The girls are all somewhat on the innocent side, and you won't find too many hardcore pros. Cost in brothels, approximately US$20-23 for a half hour, US$40 for an hour. Hotel accommodations very reasonable. Few tourists. US dollar is the official currency. Downside: the brothels appear to hire anyone who applies, so there is an abundance of skanks and a handful of gems, but...seek and ye shall find!
COSTA RICA: I'll get to the downside first: CR is overrun with gringo tourists, especially mongers, so prices have been driven up accordingly. Freelance chicas will usually start out asking for US$100, but I've always been able to bring them down to US$60. An abundance of attractive chicas, as well as an abundance of skanks. Stay at the Sportsmen's Lodge; very girl friendly, no charge for chicas, chicas--all screened by management--hang around the bar and are available. No need to ever leave the hotel if you don't want to.
(Full disclosure: I've booked a trip combining El Salvador and Costa Rica in July; 4 days at the Real Intercontinental in San Salvador, 5 days at the Sportsmen's Lodge in San Jose.)
ECUADOR: Quito has an abundance of brothels. Check the Ecuador thread for locations and prices, especially the posts by Tunguahara (sp?). US dollar is the official currency. At the better brothels, cost is $20 for 30 minutes, $40 for an hour. According to the forum, at low end brothels you can get a chica for $7 (no firsthand knowledge). While you're there, visit Mitad del Mundo and have your picture taken straddling the equator. Moderate number of tourists, most of them stopping off after visiting the Galapagos Islands. Downside: Quito is at a high altitude, so you may experience altitude sickness the first day or so.
PARAGUAY: Yes, Paraguay! Another hidden gem. Plenty of brothels, check Asuncion thread for locations. Cheapest country for pussy in Latin America. One hour is US$20. Some beautiful girls, again with that innocence. Inexpensive accommodations, hardly any tourists. Downside: US citizens need a visa, and it's hard to get to. But if you're looking for someplace off the beaten path, this is the place to go. Some knowledge of Spanish is a must.
CUBA: I'm recommending Cuba reluctantly. I haven't been there since 2001, but when I was there pussy was abundant and cheap. I couldn't find any brothels, and I've never seen any reported on this forum. But streetwalkers are in abundance, and they will definitely approach you. Cuban women can be quite beautiful. Downside: Cuba is one of the world's most repressive police states, and prostitution is illegal. They won't hassle tourists, but the girls all fear getting busted, so transactions will have to be discreet. Hotels will not allow chicas to be brought back, so you will have to go to her place. Never go home with a chica when you think you might have to take a shit, because the toilets in Cuban homes never have seats! And of course, it's illegal for US citizens to go there. You can go there legally under certain circumstances, but it's a hassle.
So there it is. If others have had experiences in these countries, I'd be interested in your feedback.
Lorenzo
Exec Talent
05-07-07, 20:39
Thanks for taking the time to put it together. In addition to SA, I am thinking of making a trip to Eastern Europe - Romania, Czech Republic (Prague is a personal favorite) and Russia.
The low class gringo factor is what has me questioning coming to Rio. Yesterday there were four young punks (that is the only way to describe them) two black, one hispanic the other white walking down NS Copacabana like they owned it. Wonder why the world hates Americans? Those guys are the reason why. Unfortunately, these days they are not a rare site in Rio. Candidly, they are what I come to Rio to get away from.
Also, I have yet to figure out the black guys who hang out at MP all day and night and the white guys who hang out at TA all night talking among themselves. Just doesn't make much sense to me. If I wanted to be with Americans, I would have stayed in the US.
El Austriaco
05-07-07, 21:44
EL SALVADOR: Probably one of Latin America's hidden gems. Easy to get to from the US, less so from Europe. Several good brothels, best is Kiss Fresh. The girls are all somewhat on the innocent side, and you won't find too many hardcore pros. Cost in brothels, approximately US$20-23 for a half hour, US$40 for an hour. Hotel accommodations very reasonable. Few tourists. US dollar is the official currency. Downside: the brothels appear to hire anyone who applies, so there is an abundance of skanks and a handful of gems, but...seek and ye shall find!
As usual, Lorenzo is dead on about this one. I have been to Kiss Fresh, too, and it think that it is the best option in ES. Just don't expect anything like a Rio terma, because it is not, not even close, and as Lorenzo said, the quality of girls is not even in the same galaxy as Rio. But it sure beats the hell out of any place I have ever been to in Mexico, for example. Plus, since they use dollars in ES, the diving dollar doesn't affect you there at all, unlike most other places.
You might want to look at Colombia, too. In Colombia, I have only mongered in Cartagena and Barranquilla. Here are a few links to earlier reports:
Barranquilla:
A while ago, I wrote one of the most comprehensive reports on my experience in Barranquilla (in the Colombia Reports of Distinction):
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=414360&postcount=437
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=414362&postcount=438
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=414427&postcount=439
Here's a Rio/Barranquilla comparison:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=568297&postcount=574
Cartagena:
I posted an earlier comparison Rio/Cartagena on the Rio board:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=422385&postcount=24
Other options to consider might be the DR and Venezuela. I have mongered in both, and none of the two is equal to Rio (because there is no equal to Rio), but you might want to check out some recent reports to get a feel for the place. Regarding DR, I have to warn, though, that because it is closer to the US and cheaper to get to, there is more riffraff, if that's a major concern. And Venezuela... well, it will put Rio crime to shame.
Hope this helps,
EA
Mr Enternational
05-08-07, 01:54
Please tell where did you ever get the idea that Asian women were subservient, had flat butts, and a lack of muscle tone? This is a snipet that I haven't had a chance to post yet. But you can check out some of my others in that particular section.
Any worldly travellers have other suggestions? I really don't like the flat butts and lack of muscle tone on the subservient Asian girls.
Mr Enternational
05-08-07, 02:52
Zo, I am appalled that you did not make mention of Colombia and Peru. If we are going to stay in Latin America then I would have to say that, keeping within your same parameters, Colombia comes next after Brazil, followed by DR, then Peru. I can vouch that $7 ($6 on 18th ST) in the strip/fuck clubs in Ecuador will get you 20 minutes, however don't even think about a GFE. Strictly point-and-shoot. That country has by far provided the worst mongering (other than France) that I have ever taken part in. Panama, don't do it. All you will find there are Colombianas and Dominicanas who can charge at least twice what they can in their home countries.
As for Rio being unique. I thought the same thing until I visited Bangkok. Bangkok makes Rio look like a kindergarten for mongering. Their version of the terma is the soapie. And they have the Eden Club, where Standard Operating Procedure is "2 ladies, 90 minutes, anything goes (except photos), US$100" DAMN! But like you said, it is difficult to get to. From my city it takes 21 hours of flight time going either east or west. But once you go you will be hooked. So, as I have said before, the number one overall mongering destination is Bangkok, and the number two is Rio. If you let those places be your benchmark then all other destinations will be a waste of time and money, because no other place on this planet rivals them.
I've mongered in every country in Latin America except the Dominican Republic and Haiti (if Haiti can be considered Latin America). In making my recommendation, I'm considering price and the quality of girls, with absence of gringo tourists being a less important consideration. Bear in mind that you'll never find another Rio; Rio is unique. The termas as we know it exists only in Rio, so don't expect a replication elsewhere.
zo, i am appalled that you did not make mention of colombia and peru. . .as for rio being unique. i thought the same thing until i visited bangkok. bangkok makes rio look like a kindergarten for mongering.
i agree with you that bangkok is a world class mongering spot, and i've always thought it is the only real competitor to rio, but the difficulty of getting there is the killer for me. i live on the us east coast, so it takes me at least 24 hours to get there. after that much time on a plane, my ass is ready to fall off. it takes 19 hours even from la. nearly 3 years ago on this forum i posted what i still consider the definitive comparison of rio and bangkok. i'm copying and pasting it verbatim below:
1) nearly every sexual encounter in rio will be a true gfe. almost without exception, the girls will engage in dfk, bbbj, cfs, and many will do anal. many will allow cim, and most will accommodate any personal peculiarities you may have, e.g., ball-licking, -squeezing, and -swallowing, ass-licking, toe-sucking, finger up the ass. thai girls, by contrast, may do many or all of these things, but there is no assurance that they will. most thai girls don't like dfk, although many will do it, and many just aren't very good at it. the girls in the bj bars in bangkok will do bbbjcim, but many of the girls in the mps will put a condom on you before a bj.
2) closely related to item (1), the sex in brazil is hardly ever mechanical. i think brazilian girls love sex and love what they are doing--either that or they are very skilled actresses--and are very skilled at it. with thai girls, who tend to be a little more shy, there is less enthusiasm, it is more mechanical, and i get a sense that they are doing a job. the odds of having an unpleasant sexual experience are practically zero in rio, somewhat higher in bangkok.
3) more thai girls speak a modicum of english than do brazilians. however, if you need to pick up a rudimentary knowledge of the country's language for purposes of elementary communication, it is far easier to master a little portuguese than thai, which is a tonal language and extremely difficult to learn.
4) brazil is a hell of a lot easier to get to than thailand, at least for americans; aussies might think just the opposite. even from the us west coast, getting to thailand will take a minimum of 19-20 hours, and much longer from the east coast, and will always involve a plane change or stopover. by contrast, there are nonstop flights to brazil from most major us cities.
5) if you are into soaking in the tub and getting the soapy body massage, then thailand has the advantage over brazil. ymmv, but for me, these things are fun the first time or two, but they get old fast. i would just as soon go straight to the bed and get down to business.
6) overall, thai pussy is marginally cheaper than brazilian, but not by much. if you want to stay at a top of the line hotel, you'll probably find better bargains in rio than bangkok. food is reasonable in both places, as are taxis.
7) it's a lot harder to bring a girl back to your hotel in bangkok than in rio. in bangkok and other thai cities, nearly all the action is in the mps. you can take girls out of the bars, but unless you're highly skilled at sneaking them into a hotel, as i am, you might have to pay for a room as well.
8) if you're into kinky sex shows--egg in pussy, writing letter with the pussy, etc.--you'll find far more of these in bangkok than rio. usually in rio the sex shows aren't kinky, they're just two people fucking in front of an audience.
9) if personal safety is an issue, bangkok is a much safer city. i never felt any sense of personal risk in bangkok, whereas in rio i'm always vigilant.
10) thai girls, as a rule, seem to be, or at least appear, younger than do the brazilian girls. many of the thai girls appear to be teenagers, although they're legal by the laws of their country. bear in mind that if you have sex with an **** girl in a foreign country and the us government finds out about it, you can be prosecuted in the us (if you're an american, of course).
11) the aids rate is much higher in thailand, but this shouldn't be an issue if you use protection in both places.
12) rio's climate can be unpleasant at times, but bangkok's climate is nearly always unpleasant, hot and humid.
end of previous post. the only changes i would make would be in (6) and (7). i have been back to bangkok twice and to rio once since i wrote the above. bangkok is now much cheaper than rio. also, i found at least one luxury style hotel, the conrad, that is totally girl friendly. and i might have added that in the bangkok mps you get to spend a lot more time with the girl. 90 minutes is about average, but much of that is for the ridiculous tub soaking and soapy body massage. all my other observations still stand.
as for colombia and peru, in colombia i mongered in cartagena and san andres. the women are choice and provided a gfe, but i found it relatively expensive. as for peru, i'll have to correct my last post and confess that i actually didn't monger there because i was sick most of the time i was there, so i can't comment. the country is definitely worth visiting just to see machu picchu. ea also mentioned venezuela. i mongered in caracas--reasonably priced but nothing special. ea is right on target about the crime rate in caracas--very scary, as is the ride to and from the airport, due to the collapse of a major bridge. i couldn't wait to get the hell out of there.
one more thing: i totally disagree that you can't have a gfe in quito. i had one of the best gfes in recent memory at one of the high end brothels, the one in the 500 block of jose tamayo. i liked the girl so much that i stayed with her 90 minutes, which cost me only $60 plus tip.
happy mongering!
lorenzo
Zo, I am appalled that you did not make mention of Colombia and Peru. If we are going to stay in Latin America then I would have to say that, keeping within your same parameters, Colombia comes next after Brazil, followed by DR, then Peru. I can vouch that $7 ($6 on 18th ST) in the strip/fuck clubs in Ecuador will get you 20 minutes, however don't even think about a GFE. Strictly point-and-shoot. That country has by far provided the worst mongering (other than France) that I have ever taken part in. Panama, don't do it. All you will find there are Colombianas and Dominicanas who can charge at least twice what they can in their home countries.
As for Rio being unique. I thought the same thing until I visited Bangkok. Bangkok makes Rio look like a kindergarten for mongering. Their version of the terma is the soapie. And they have the Eden Club, where Standard Operating Procedure is "2 ladies, 90 minutes, anything goes (except photos), US$100" DAMN! But like you said, it is difficult to get to. From my city it takes 21 hours of flight time going either east or west. But once you go you will be hooked. So, as I have said before, the number one overall mongering destination is Bangkok, and the number two is Rio. If you let those places be your benchmark then all other destinations will be a waste of time and money, because no other place on this planet rivals them.I second the motion.
Bangkok, and Pattaya have many options for mongering that can rival Brazil provided that one likes Asian girls. In general Asian girls are smaller, but it is basically a stereotype that these girls all have flat asses and no tits etc.
I've encountered too many Thai girls with shapely asses and large busts. Also, in Thailand one is not confined to one place such as Copacabana in Rio.
In Thailand there are literally hundreds(or more) different establishments to get girls.
The Dominican Republic has ok mongering but the pro scene isn't as good as in Brazil or Thailand. In the DR the non-pros are the goldmine there because in the DR the women are more open to meeting foreign men and nobody will NEVER be accused of being there as a sex tourist.
Also, in Thailand one is not confined to one place such as Copacabana in Rio.
Mongering in Rio isn't confined to Copacabana.
In Thailand there are literally hundreds(or more) different establishments to get girls.
The same goes for Rio.
It's just a matter of taste, in women.
Also, Brazil has a great nonpro-scene.
I agree with you that Bangkok is a world class mongering spot, and I've always thought it is the only real competitor to Rio, but the difficulty of getting there is the killer for me. I live on the US east coast, so it takes me at least 24 hours to get there.
Take the Thai flight from JFK and Bangkok is only 16 hours by air. Of course it still ends up close around 20 hours door to door.
My take on the comparisons is that Thailand is a much easier place to pursue this hobby. It is just more open and visible. Plus Thailand seems to be a much safer environment with much less risk of crime.
But if you want a real woman with a western idea of a woman's body, Brazil or most places in Latin America win hands down. It is very tough to find the real voluptuous women in Thailand.
My biggest complaint in Latin America is the hotels. I tend to stay on the company dime in better hotels. I have never had the slightest problem in any 5 star hotel in Asia bring girls to the room. I have had huge problems in Mexico and Brazil. Why do these hotels make it so difficult? I am paying for the room.
Contrast that to Asia where they will bring the girl up to the room for you if you are too lazy to go down to get her.
I am off to Brazil again in a few weeks. I just hope that I don't find myself arguing with some front desk clerk about why I can't have a visitor to my room.
El Austriaco
05-08-07, 21:11
My biggest complaint in Latin America is the hotels. I tend to stay on the company dime in better hotels. I have never had the slightest problem in any 5 star hotel in Asia bring girls to the room. I have had huge problems in Mexico and Brazil. Why do these hotels make it so difficult? I am paying for the room.
Contrast that to Asia where they will bring the girl up to the room for you if you are too lazy to go down to get her.
I am off to Brazil again in a few weeks. I just hope that I don't find myself arguing with some front desk clerk about why I can't have a visitor to my room.
One of the basic rules of mongering in Latin countries is that, if you want the hotel to be girl-friendly, don't chose an upscale establishment. Easy as that. Which makes me wonder why, considering that your company foots the hotel bill, anyway, it is so difficult to chose a convenient and cheap (USD 10 to 15) love motel, which BTW is definitely preferable for your encounters, for a number of reasons. It is not exactly like there is a shortage of them. Security increased and problem resolved.
These hotels make it difficult because they have a customer base to protect and are able to charge the rates they are charging because they are NOT viewed as an "hourly joint". So it makes perfect business sense to them.
So simply do what the locals do. They don't bring those girls into their home, either. They know what they are doing.
EA
El Austriaco
05-08-07, 21:20
. Also, in Thailand one is not confined to one place such as Copacabana in Rio.
In Thailand there are literally hundreds(or more) different establishments to get girls.
The Dominican Republic has ok mongering but the pro scene isn't as good as in Brazil or Thailand. In the DR the non-pros are the goldmine there because in the DR the women are more open to meeting foreign men and nobody will NEVER be accused of being there as a sex tourist.
Well, the ONLY reason you are confined to mongering in Copa is YOU confining yourself to Copacabana. And in all of Brazil, there are virtually thousands of establishments.
As to the statement that in the DR, nobody is ever accused of being there as a sex tourist, I guess I must have misinterpreted all the crackdowns in Boca Chica over the years. Or Sosua.
EA
If someone likes asian girls goes to LOS ( Land Of Smiles= Thailand) and if he likes latinas goes to Brasil mainly.
Simple as that.
Thai girls seem to be kind of pathetic to me. Latinas are full of energy.
El Greco
One of the basic rules of mongering in Latin countries is that, if you want the hotel to be girl-friendly, don't chose an upscale establishment. Easy as that. Which makes me wonder why, considering that your company foots the hotel bill, anyway, it is so difficult to chose a convenient and cheap (USD 10 to 15) love motel, which BTW is definitely preferable for your encounters, for a number of reasons. It is not exactly like there is a shortage of them. Security increased and problem resolved.
These hotels make it difficult because they have a customer base to protect and are able to charge the rates they are charging because they are NOT viewed as an "hourly joint". So it makes perfect business sense to them.
So simply do what the locals do. They don't bring those girls into their home, either. They know what they are doing.
EA
That is a totally different mentality than what you find in most of Asia. Comparatively speaking the high end hotels in Latin America generally don't quite measure up to what you get in Asia for the same level. No one would ever confuse them with an "hourly" joint. I am talking about hotels that make the best in the world lists. There is a significant number of working girls heading up to the rooms there every night, and in most of them no one bothers anyone.
Of course no one wants to be seen walking through the lobby with an obvious hooker. I generally pick girls that look a bit more upscale and fit in to the setting. I agree that if you are bringing back a down and out street *****, the hotel may draw the line at that.
Basically if I am in a really nice room, why would I want to knock down and go to some cheap hotel that is not nearly as nice. In Asia I know the hotel will always take my side in any problem that occurs within the hotel. Many of the better hotels check the girls ID's, not to hassle either the guest or the girl, but just to protect the guest. I really am not sure I would feel safer outside the hotel.
If you call for someone late at night, security might intercept the girl to check her out, but after a quick call to verify you ordered her, they will escort her up to the room. I call that service and a hotel that knows how to take care of their guests.
Zo, I am appalled that you did not make mention of Colombia and Peru. If we are going to stay in Latin America then I would have to say that, keeping within your same parameters, Colombia comes next after Brazil, followed by DR, then Peru. I can vouch that $7 ($6 on 18th ST) in the strip/fuck clubs in Ecuador will get you 20 minutes, however don't even think about a GFE. Strictly point-and-shoot. That country has by far provided the worst mongering (other than France) that I have ever taken part in. Panama, don't do it. All you will find there are Colombianas and Dominicanas who can charge at least twice what they can in their home countries.
As for Rio being unique. I thought the same thing until I visited Bangkok. Bangkok makes Rio look like a kindergarten for mongering. Their version of the terma is the soapie. And they have the Eden Club, where Standard Operating Procedure is "2 ladies, 90 minutes, anything goes (except photos), US$100" DAMN! But like you said, it is difficult to get to. From my city it takes 21 hours of flight time going either east or west. But once you go you will be hooked. So, as I have said before, the number one overall mongering destination is Bangkok, and the number two is Rio. If you let those places be your benchmark then all other destinations will be a waste of time and money, because no other place on this planet rivals them.
Mr.E,
Your comments about Rio worry me. I have done the BKK thing a few years ago, and plan on being in Rio in July, but the comment of BKK makes Rio seem like Kindergarten is a strong comment. I have always been under the impression that Rio was #1 for the hobby. I can't wait to compare for myself, but one thing I did not see much of was ladies in BKK having real nice bodies loke Latins.
One last thing, you can find some GREAT Latinos in the Virgin Islands, especially in St. Marteen.
Chris H
Papi Que Rico
05-09-07, 06:21
This debate could go on for decades. I've done Thailand, Vietnam, Taiwan, The Pi., Hong Kong, Seoul, The DR, Cuba, Costa Rica and Brasil. None are bad. In the end, even though I like petite women I prefer Latinas. To sum it up.... You fuck Asians, Latinas fuck you!
Of course no one wants to be seen walking through the lobby with an obvious hooker. I generally pick girls that look a bit more upscale and fit in to the setting. I agree that if you are bringing back a down and out street *****, the hotel may draw the line at that.
A girl that not looks like an obvious h****r in your eyes, might be a very obvious h****r to most brazilians. The way she acts, dress, walks etc. Also, if a gringo walks into a hotel with a brazilian girl everybody will assume she's a h****r.
Brazilians don't appreciate sex-tourism and they don't need it. Thailand is different. An upscale hotel that accepts GP's to enter wouldn't be an upscale hotel anymore.
As EA sid, go to a motel.
Someone who has a passion for Latinas should IMO feel much better in Indonesia than in Thailand. Indonesian women have all the physical types and nuances between Malay, Chinese, Indian, European and Arab. They are taller, more curvey, much more fun to be with, more interesting, less mercenary (if GFE is your priority, then Indonesia is the best destination in Asia, and one of the best in the world) and more naughty than their Thai counterparts.
Here is a pic of a GF and a bunch of her friends in Jakarta (during a thematic night in a new bar where dresscode was beachwear :)) quite representative of the ethnic mixes and the variety of looks one can find in Indonesia.
Exec Talent
05-09-07, 12:28
one of the main things I am looking for also is an absence of Americans (or young Italians) with attitudes. I don't want to hear Americans talking about how things are better in America, I don't want to see any we own this place swaggers and strutting, I don't want to see any white old farts sitting around talking about how things used to be or black guys bragging how they really nailed it last night (when you get to know the girls you might find out what they really think of your "love making" abilities) and most of all I do not want to see any backward turned baseball caps!
What I have observed about the guys I have meet in the US who regularly go to Thailand - same jerks, different place.
The Corn Hole
05-09-07, 17:04
I agree completely with everything Prosal said about Indonesia. This remains a very underrated place to monger. Indonesian women put Thais to shame IMO. If the "ugly American" is so bothersome to one then Jakarta would be the ideal choice over BKK. This city has a great nightlife and it's much easier to bed non-pros than Thailand. It's where I'm going after Rio.
To Chris H. -
Rio is the best place in the western hemisphere but on the east Thailand is know as the King of p4p. The number of prostitutes working in Pattaya alone is five or six times the number that are in Rio. But Lorenzo is right getting there is brutal. In addition to the long plane ride there's also jet lag that can be pretty powerful. The first time I went to SE Asia it hit me pretty hard and took a couple of days for me to get fully adjusted to the time zone. I was so exausted for the first day that I couldn't maintain an erection.
El Austriaco
05-09-07, 18:24
The number of prostitutes working in Pattaya alone is five or six times the number that are in Rio.
According to a recent (2006) O Globo report, there are at least 20,000 GDPs in Rio. You mean to say there are between 100,000 and 120,000 hookers in Pattaya? I don't think so. Not that there are all in Copacabana, of course not, or in areas where foreigners should tread... but most of the action Rio is actually away from Copa.
I agree completely with everything Prosal said about Indonesia. This remains a very underrated place to monger. Indonesian women put Thais to shame IMO. If the "ugly American" is so bothersome to one then Jakarta would be the ideal choice over BKK. This city has a great nightlife and it's much easier to bed non-pros than Thailand. It's where I'm going after Rio.
I personally enjoyed Indonesia much more than Thailand, to tell you the truth, including the non-pros, so I can fully second the above.
one of the main things I am looking for also is an absence of Americans (or young Italians) with attitudes. I don't want to hear Americans talking about how things are better in America, I don't want to see any we own this place swaggers and strutting, I don't want to see any white old farts sitting around talking about how things used to be or black guys bragging how they really nailed it last night (when you get to know the girls you might find out what they really think of your "love making" abilities) and most of all I do not want to see any backward turned baseball caps!
IMHO, this represents one of the fundamental problems of traveling: we all want unspoilt places not overrun by tourists, but easy access and cheap rates. The only problem is, by going there ourselves, we sort of defeat our own premise. If that's what you want, Exec Talent, then you will have to get off the beaten track and go local. It might not be upscale, though, and you might have to deal with locals... well... wearing backward baseball caps :)
EA
Exec Talent
05-09-07, 23:00
IMHO, this represents one of the fundamental problems of traveling: we all want unspoilt places not overrun by tourists, but easy access and cheap rates. The only problem is, by going there ourselves, we sort of defeat our own premise. If that's what you want, Exec Talent, then you will have to get off the beaten track and go local. It might not be upscale, though, and you might have to deal with locals... well... wearing backward baseball caps :)
EA
Going off the beaten track is not a problem as long as it is not dangerous. I have no problem with locals, in fact, except for 4x4 where they obstruct my view of the bundas, I like them a lot.
Going off the beaten track is not a problem as long as it is not dangerous. I have no problem with locals, in fact, except for 4x4 where they obstruct my view of the bundas, I like them a lot.
I'll say it again: if you want someplace off the beaten track, try El Salvador or (especially) Paraguay. They both feature an abundance of chicas, low cost (especially Paraguay), and few gringo tourists (in the case of Paraguay, practically none), and friendly locals. OK, so ES has a lot of skanks to eliminate before you find the beauties, and neither San Salvador nor Asuncion is especially safe--take a taxi everywhere--no place is perfect. Now a place that would be really off the beaten path would be Haiti, but even I balk at that; I value my life too much.
Here's an idea: how about an "off the beaten track" pissing contest? Submit a post listing the most out of the way places you've mongered. I'll start: for me it would be Paraguay, Liberia, and San Andres (a Caribbean island that is part of Colombia). But I'm sure a lot of mongers could beat that.
One final point regarding high end hotels and garotas: the Sheraton Towers on Av. Niemeyer, which I consider the best hotel in Rio, is totally girl friendly. Just make your reservation for 2 people, and register the garota at reception. They're cool with registering different garotas on different nights, but only one per day or night. No need to go to a motel.
Lorenzo
Finding places "off the beaten track" is one thing, finding places "off the beaten track" with lots of girls is another thing. I think Brazil is unbeatable. I've been to all the 27 states in Brazil, and even in the smallest cities and villages there are GP's to be found.
Some places "off the beaten track".
If you're looking for:
- Nonpro-action: Macapá. Just about impossible not getting laid for free.
- Friendliest w***e-house: Guaratinga, in the interior of Bahia. The female boss runs around the village collecting women eager to work.
- Beautiful nature: Barcelos. A village next to Rio Negro. A paradise. Also great for fishing.
- Dust and heat: Piripiri, in Piauí. Visiting point for Parque Nacional de Sete Cidades.
Exec Talent
05-10-07, 09:33
Finding places "off the beaten track" is one thing, finding places "off the beaten track" with lots of girls is another thing. I think Brazil is unbeatable. I've been to all the 27 states in Brazil, and even in the smallest cities and villages there are GP's to be found.
Some places "off the beaten track".
If you're looking for:
- Nonpro-action: Macapá. Just about impossible not getting laid for free.
- Friendliest w***e-house: Guaratinga, in the interior of Bahia. The female boss runs around the village collecting women eager to work.
- Beautiful nature: Barcelos. A village next to Rio Negro. A paradise. Also great for fishing.
- Dust and heat: Piripiri, in Piauí. Visiting point for Parque Nacional de Sete Cidades.
I think Sperto would be one gringo tour guide worth paying!
Sperto, you never cease to amaze me..........If you ever get some free time a report (or summary) of your adventures would be the king of all posts.
Just changed my SIM (do Americans call this a chip?) and thought you might like some prices if you plan to save money using an existing phone (eg to garotas, your hotel, termas, agencies).
The SIM was 19R. Calls in Rio cost R1.39 p.m. Texts cost 0.39R.
Calling home to the US is very expensive R3.98 p.m. and a whopping R7.50 to receive calls. For Europe, I was told at TIM it´s R5.41 p.m. and R4.50 to receive them. (I´m only repeated what they told me in the shop though).
International texts are quite reasonable tho - 0.79R.
btw The larger (TIM) store in Rio Sul has someone who speaks reasonable English if that helps. I use a very old mobile for Rio - the sort they give away at conferences now and no-one can really be bothered stealing. I mostly avoid carrying my quad band if I can help it, even if it is insured.
ps I add my congrats to those of Bubba to Sperto!
Again if anyone is around the east (Leme) end of Copa and fancies the occasional late night beer/chat, just PM me.
El Austriaco
05-13-07, 00:46
I agree with you that Bangkok is a world class mongering spot, and I've always thought it is the only real competitor to Rio, but the difficulty of getting there is the killer for me. I live on the US east coast, so it takes me at least 24 hours to get there. After that much time on a plane, my ass is ready to fall off. It takes 19 hours even from LA. Nearly 3 years ago on this forum I posted what I still consider the definitive comparison of Rio and Bangkok. I'm copying and pasting it verbatim below:
There are two things that I would like to add to Lorenzo's Rio/Bangkok comparison, without questioning it's status as THE definite comparison by any stretch of imagination, and with Lorenzo's permission, of course. Also, let me add that, while I have been to Bangkok twice, I do NOT consider myself an expert monger there, so please, anyway, take the elements below for what they are worth (plus, they don't exclusively pertain to mongering, anyway, although for me, they speak hugely in favor of Rio):
1) Variety of Looks
Rio has a HUGE variety of looks: mulatas, pretas, morenas oscuras, morenas claras, blond girls, red-heads. The most spectacular blond that I ever encountered, I found in Meia Pataca. I have met black girls with blond, but hard hair and green eyes. Rio has it all.
Bangkok has very little variety. True, in addition to Thai girls, you will find Burmese ones, Cambodians, Vietnamese, Laotians, etc. Still, the whole of Brazil covers an area larger than that, and there sure isn't any shortage of girls from other Brazilian states in Rio: Minas, SP, Espirito Santo, Bahia, Paranà, Parà. I even remember running into a couple from Tocatins and Piaui.
2) The Cities
By any definition, Rio is one of the most beautiful cities in the world. A major global metropolis stretched out by some of the most famous beaches in the world, with a backdrop of mountains rising to more than 3,000 ft, covered by tropical rainforest. Whether you are at the beach on Ipanema or on Corcovado mountain, it is truly a sight to behold.
Bangkok? Well, if you expect a city resembling something like the Grand Palace, think again. The GP is great, no doubt about it, but other than that, Bangkok is a hot, humid, flat, sprawling metropolis in the middle of nowhere without any noticeable geographical feature. Beach, what beach? Traffic is really bad, it's noisy, it's chaotic, which has it's charm, sure. But would Bangkok be worth a trip without the girls? Hardly.
Well, that's what I wanted to add...
EA
Mr Enternational
05-13-07, 04:50
Uhhhh. You forgot about the smog.
Well, if you expect a city resembling something like the Grand Palace, think again. The GP is great, no doubt about it, but other than that, Bangkok is a hot, humid, flat, sprawling metropolis in the middle of nowhere without any noticeable geographical feature. Beach, what beach? Traffic is really bad, it's noisy, it's chaotic, which has it's charm, sure. But would Bangkok be worth a trip without the girls? Hardly.
Well, that's what I wanted to add.
EA
Sunset Strip
05-13-07, 20:07
Lorenzo and others,
I would highly suggest Brazil fans try Vina del Mar in Chile. THis place is an old playboy hotspot, not far from Santiago. Vina Del Mar is a resort town, located adjacent to Valpraiso, which is a port city. Valpraiso receives lots of ships in its port, so of course it has hookers.
Vina has quite a few clubs and is more upscale.
You will not find many Americans there, so you will stand out if you are one.
There is a little trolley you take around town and cabs are cheap.
TJ
Mr Enternational
05-13-07, 20:50
I think that is the place that a friend told me has an all-girls Catholic university. Correct?
I would highly suggest Brazil fans try Vina del Mar in Chile. THis place is an old playboy hotspot, not far from Santiago. Vina Del Mar is a resort town, located adjacent to Valpraiso, which is a port city. TJ
But would Bangkok be worth a trip without the girls? Hardly.
EA
You mean the Thai food isn't worth travelling halfway around the world for? :rolleyes:
L
the end is near!!!
the slide continues. todays exchange rate:
1.99332
http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi
Just F'n great, I arrive friday. :/
There's a clear bias for the central bank to lower interest rates this year, which I hope will drop to a level of those in rich countries in the future,'' Lula said.
He pledged not to interfere in the workings of the central bank's rate-setting committee. Brazil's 12.5 percent benchmark overnight lending rate, one of the highest in the world, has also spurred the real's rally by luring investment to the country's fixed-income market even after 15 consecutive cuts to a record low, down from a high of 19.75 percent in September 2005.
Since yesterday the dollar lost almost a nickel! 1.95 today. Someone make the bleeding stop.
Oglobo reporting it's been 6 years since the dollar fell below R2.00 mark. 5 years ago, when I first visited Brazil the exchange rate was almost R4. Alot must have happened in those 12 months between 6 and 5 years ago.
Mongering in Rio isn't confined to Copacabana.
The same goes for Rio.
It's just a matter of taste, in women.
Also, Brazil has a great nonpro-scene.Sperto have you ever been anyplace else besides Brazil(Rio)?
I never said that mongering is confined to Copa. But the tourist scene in Brazil is VERY SMALL compared to Thailand. I know this because I've done both places with other experienced hobbyists. In Rio most of the tourist mongering is on Copa, let's not pretend that it isn't. VM, the escort services, the downtown brothels etc enter into the realm of places frequented by locals.
In Thailand(Bkk + Pattaya), the average tourist has a wider variety of establishments to choose from and many more girls. In Copacabana one is liable to keep running into the same tired hoes over and over again being phucked by the lots of different guys.
The non-pro scene in Brazil is BULLSHYT compared to the Caribbean in *my* experiences. One's milage may vary because non-pros are a big X-factor anyplace.
BTW: I've been to all the places that I've mentioned MANY times each so I'm not just pulling this outta my ass here.
Don't think that I'm biased against Brazil, as I arrive there this time next week. I'm just saying that with the shitty exchange rate and desperate mongers willing to pay exhorborant prices, that there ARE other options out there.
Well, the ONLY reason you are confined to mongering in Copa is YOU confining yourself to Copacabana. And in all of Brazil, there are virtually thousands of establishments.
As to the statement that in the DR, nobody is ever accused of being there as a sex tourist, I guess I must have misinterpreted all the crackdowns in Boca Chica over the years. Or Sosua.
EAI see that we have maturity issuse with ignorant comments such as the response above. I don't see how this evolves into flaming.
EA,
I guess that one WOULD BE accused of being a sex tourist in DR if you ONLY HANG OUT AT ***** TOWNS like Sosua (So-sewer) and Boca chica. It's obvious that you don't know nothing about DR, but yet you try to challenge me on it? You have illustrated your lack of knowledge already with just a couple of sentences. Those places aren't even the real DR and I never frequent those 2 places. I've never been accused of being a sex-tourist there because I'm never around them nor the places they frequent.
For Brazil, it's big assed country so of course there's more than Copa, but once again I see another monger who is in denial that most of the gringo mongering takes place in Copa. And for the un-initiated we can also do Fortaleza, Recife, and even Porto Alegre. But in all honesty those towns are boring as shyt compared to Rio. As far MYSELF confining myself to Copa. This is just pure speculation on your part. You don't know where I've been. But I CAN see that you like dirty ***** towns such as Sosewer and Boca Chica! Do yourself a favor and try to see the REAL DR.
If someone likes asian girls goes to LOS ( Land Of Smiles= Thailand) and if he likes latinas goes to Brasil mainly.
Simple as that.
Thai girls seem to be kind of pathetic to me. Latinas are full of energy.
El GrecoPersonally I like them both. Variety is indeed the spice of life.
Mr.E,
Your comments about Rio worry me. I have done the BKK thing a few years ago, and plan on being in Rio in July, but the comment of BKK makes Rio seem like Kindergarten is a strong comment. I have always been under the impression that Rio was #1 for the hobby. I can't wait to compare for myself, but one thing I did not see much of was ladies in BKK having real nice bodies loke Latins.
One last thing, you can find some GREAT Latinos in the Virgin Islands, especially in St. Marteen.
Chris HChris the only problem that you'll have in Rio is that it'll be more EXPENSIVE that what you're probably used to. The girls will be hot and you won't be disappointed with the beauty of the Brasileiras.
If you've never been to Rio before then you're almost gauranteed to have a blast.
Finding places "off the beaten track" is one thing, finding places "off the beaten track" with lots of girls is another thing. I think Brazil is unbeatable. I've been to all the 27 states in Brazil, and even in the smallest cities and villages there are GP's to be found.
Some places "off the beaten track".
If you're looking for:
- Nonpro-action: Macapá. Just about impossible not getting laid for free.
- Friendliest w***e-house: Guaratinga, in the interior of Bahia. The female boss runs around the village collecting women eager to work.
- Beautiful nature: Barcelos. A village next to Rio Negro. A paradise. Also great for fishing.
- Dust and heat: Piripiri, in Piauí. Visiting point for Parque Nacional de Sete Cidades.Well Sperto, if you've been to EVERY STATE in Brazil then I obviously have to eat some of my previous words. I've only been in the south up to Fortaleza so my insight is therefore limited compared to someone who has been to every state.
I simply have had more success with non-pros in the Caribe, but I'm sure in the vast reaches of Brazil there are PLENTY of good non-pro opportunities.
There are two things that I would like to add to Lorenzo's Rio/Bangkok comparison, without questioning it's status as THE definite comparison by any stretch of imagination, and with Lorenzo's permission, of course. Also, let me add that, while I have been to Bangkok twice, I do NOT consider myself an expert monger there, so please, anyway, take the elements below for what they are worth (plus, they don't exclusively pertain to mongering, anyway, although for me, they speak hugely in favor of Rio):
1) Variety of Looks
Rio has a HUGE variety of looks: mulatas, pretas, morenas oscuras, morenas claras, blond girls, red-heads. The most spectacular blond that I ever encountered, I found in Meia Pataca. I have met black girls with blond, but hard hair and green eyes. Rio has it all.
Bangkok has very little variety. True, in addition to Thai girls, you will find Burmese ones, Cambodians, Vietnamese, Laotians, etc. Still, the whole of Brazil covers an area larger than that, and there sure isn't any shortage of girls from other Brazilian states in Rio: Minas, SP, Espirito Santo, Bahia, Paranà, Parà. I even remember running into a couple from Tocatins and Piaui.
2) The Cities
By any definition, Rio is one of the most beautiful cities in the world. A major global metropolis stretched out by some of the most famous beaches in the world, with a backdrop of mountains rising to more than 3,000 ft, covered by tropical rainforest. Whether you are at the beach on Ipanema or on Corcovado mountain, it is truly a sight to behold.
Bangkok? Well, if you expect a city resembling something like the Grand Palace, think again. The GP is great, no doubt about it, but other than that, Bangkok is a hot, humid, flat, sprawling metropolis in the middle of nowhere without any noticeable geographical feature. Beach, what beach? Traffic is really bad, it's noisy, it's chaotic, which has it's charm, sure. But would Bangkok be worth a trip without the girls? Hardly.
Well, that's what I wanted to add...
EACo-signed!
Co-signed!I might like to add that I'm not here to get into a pissing match with any of the guys here. It's obvious there are going to be varying opinions about different destinations and maybe even about some of the same ones here.
I can assure that if ALL guys liked the same exact things then our hobby would SUCK bigtime.
Since yesterday the dollar lost almost a nickel! 1.95 today. Someone make the bleeding stop.
Oglobo reporting it's been 6 years since the dollar fell below R2.00 mark. 5 years ago, when I first visited Brazil the exchange rate was almost R4. Alot must have happened in those 12 months between 6 and 5 years ago.
In 1997 the Br Real was pegged to the dollar so it was always around 1 to 1 . Rio was very expensive then just like now. Then soon after that they started to float the currency on the free market and it moved rapidly sometimes in a few weeks time about 30%. This was great because the hotels and general prices didn't change so for example someone recently mentioned the superior room at the Luxor Regente now was going for $178 USD plus tax and guest fees, then I got that ocean front room for $65 USD, it didn't pay to stay in an apartment. Food and drink was cheap and so was bucetta, termas or escorts during the day, duplas from Help at night and sometimes 2 trips to Help at night for a second dip. Those days are gone now but I still enjoy Rio, my days are less active and I stay in an apartment and don't do 2 trips to Help a night plus eat in more modest places. My overall budget hasn't risen much but it's still a great destination.
Mr Enternational
05-18-07, 03:51
Rio was very expensive then just like now. A friend was telling me that way back when (early 90s) taxi rides from the airport were US$100. Can anyone say anything on that?
A friend was telling me that way back when (early 90s) taxi rides from the airport were US$100. Can anyone say anything on that?
They got ripped-off.
Brazil Congress may eliminate visas
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
BRASILIA, Brazil -- A Brazilian congressional committee on Thursday approved a bill that aims to boost tourism by eliminating visa requirements for visitors from the United States and four other wealthy countries.
If passed by the full 513-member Chamber of Deputies, the law would ease the way for more tourists from the U.S., Canada, New Zealand, Japan and Australia, "because their purchasing power is high and because they spend money on tourism," said Congressman Carlos Eduardo Cadoca, the bill's author
Brazil's demand for tourist visas is based on the principle of reciprocity. For Americans traveling to South America's largest country, that means paying a $100 processing fee - the same amount the U.S. charges Brazilians for a tourist visa.
Cadoca blamed that policy for depressing tourism from the United States, noting that of the nearly 5 million Americans who visited Latin America last year, only some 730,000 came to Brazil.
"From an economic point of view, reciprocity is inefficient," Cadoca said.
....No date has been set for a vote on the bill.....
HoleRanger
05-18-07, 13:57
Good update,nice to know,that's a step in the right direction but I wonder if any of the minds at the round table thought about the exchange rate as an incentive?
I'll be there in a few days and the exchange rate is scary,I will still have fun but it definitely affects your destination list. Enjoy!
They got ripped-off.
I was one of those guys who got ripped off! LOL
But I have a really good excuse. When I first started going to Rio, there was no such thing as the internet, nevermind ISG!! We didnt know any better, we had no one to school us on the "Dos and Donts" of Rio.
Chris the only problem that you'll have in Rio is that it'll be more EXPENSIVE that what you're probably used to. The girls will be hot and you won't be disappointed with the beauty of the Brasileiras.
If you've never been to Rio before then you're almost gauranteed to have a blast.
Yeah, to my disappointment, I will be spending alot more than I am use to, but I must keep in mind the tips that fellow mongers have shared to cut down on the expenses.
Chris H
Hi all,
I remember reading a post here some time ago, where the person described the different look of girls, depending on where in brazil they are from.
Anyone remeber that post, cant seem to find it anymore... :(
Or maybe someone could take the time, and describe the different looks.. that would be great.
Cheers!
Hello,
some time ago I red a post on this forum, about different look of the gils, depending on where in brazil they where from.
Anyone remember that post? Url?
Or if someone could take a couple of min and describe the look. That would be great!
Cheers
Hello,
some time ago I red a post on this forum, about different look of the gils, depending on where in brazil they where from.
Or if someone could take a couple of min and describe the look. That would be great!
Very generalized:
Skin color: Lighter in the south and becomes darker further north, with a black peak in Bahia.
Indian look: Further north (north-west) greater chance finding indian influence.
African look: African influence strongest in Bahia.
European influence: South.
Head-shape: Further north (north-east) rounder heads.
Length of neck: Further north (nort-east) shorter necks.
Which parts of Brazil that offers the most beautiful women is a matter of personal taste. If you monger in Rio or Sao Paulo you will have the opportunity to experience a little bit of everything as these big cities attracts people from the rest of Brazil.
Thanks Sperto,
What do you think of Natal? Is this like Rio, a mix of everything?
I'm buying a villa there(Ponta Negra) within a week or so.
Cheers :)
Very generalized:
Skin color: Lighter in the south and becomes darker further north, with a peak in Bahia.
Indian look: Further north (north-west) greater chance finding indian influence.
African look: African influence strongest in Bahia.
European influence: South.
Head-shape: Further north (north-east) rounder heads.
Length of neck: Further north (nort-east) shorter necks.
Which parts of Brazil that offers the most beautiful women is a matter of personal taste. If you monger in Rio or Sao Paulo you will have the opportunity to experience a little bit of everything as these big cities attracts people from the rest of Brazil.
I was checking out O Globo this morning to see what the current exchange rate was and noticed a couple of articles, unfortunately they don't let you copy and paste anymore.
A house of prostitution was closed in Barra Thursday. The authorities suspected minors were being exploited there. When it was busted a total of 80 people were in the establishment including staff, garotas and clients. The place had been under surveillance for a month and the investigation will continue while they inspect files on computers. They didn't name the place but said it was in front of the beach in Barra and there was a big 400 on the door in the picture. I suspect it is the 400 club.
Also a closing in Vila Mimosa, a place called Mujahedim, the board of health closed it because the prostitutes who work there do not have a place to clean themselves up between clients. Can you imagine if you are her 15th customer of the day and she hasn't cleaned yet? OMG
The 400 club also doubles as a swinger club on Saturday night, I haven’t been there yet but on my last trip to Rio a woman I met, a non pro in her late 30's with 2 masters degrees offered to take me there. She told me she had been there before a few times and since I expressed interest in such a place, she would accompany me Saturday night. It sounded good to me, I told her I would pick her up Saturday night at 8 PM in Botafogo, bring her back to Copa, have dinner in a nice restaurant with good wine and drinks, like a real date then afterwards when we are in a happy mood hit Henri's place which it is called on Saturday night about 11 pm in Barra. When Saturday rolled around I arrived back at my apartment from the beach at 7 PM. I was in no shape to take a shower and start my evening of eating drinking and swinging plus I did the math and figured the whole experience wouldn't be worth it so I shut off my cell phone and went to sleep for 4 hours and went to Help instead, going to Henri's would have cost me a bundle:
Taxi: Copa- Botafogo- Copa $20 USD
Dinner: Don Camillo, wine/drinks $135 USD
Taxi: Copa - Barra - Copa $45 USD
Entrance Henri's club fee for 2 $60 USD
Taxi: Copa - Botafogo $10 USD
Total: $270 USD
$270 dollars just to do this one woman with the possibility of groping another’s date.
Instead I went to Help:
Bob's Hamburgers - 1 Big Bob $ 5.00 USD
Entrance to Help $18.00 USD
Drinks in Help $15.00 USD
1 GDP TLN DFK DATY BBBJ full service SYT $100.00 USD
Total $138.00 USD
Savings of $132 USD to pay for it rather than get it for free.
I was checking out O Globo this morning to see what the current exchange rate was and noticed a couple of articles, unfortunately they don't let you copy and paste anymore.
Well, here's the URL in case anyone wants to take a look at it. House of Prostitution closed in Barra de Tijuca:
http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/mat/2007/05/18/295808356.asp
Some interesting comments below the article from some of the readers. One reader mentions that 60% of the clientele at the casas are policemen, VIP treatment. And another poster types that prositution is much more honest work than being a politician! Always fun to get the Brasilian perspective on things like this.
BTW, a Big Bob costs $5 USD now?? So over 10 reais? Is that for the meal or just the sandwich? That seems quite expensive. Besides, the Big Bob is one of the most disgusting fast food hamburgers I've ever had. Almost makes me appreciate the Big Mac (almost).
BTW, a Big Bob costs $5 USD now?? So over 10 reais? Is that for the meal or just the sandwich? That seems quite expensive. Besides, the Big Bob is one of the most disgusting fast food hamburgers I've ever had. Almost makes me appreciate the Big Mac (almost).
That was probably with fries and a coke. Delicia.
I usually never eat fast food but when I am going out for the evening at midnight then it's about the only option for a quick fix.
That was probably with fries and a coke. Delicia.
I usually never eat fast food but when I am going out for the evening at midnight then it's about the only option for a quick fix.
Hi Rio Bob - have you checked out Cervantes? Not as ubiquitous as the Big Bobs but superb and fast. They can cram a whole tender steak onto a roll and still squeeze in pineapple and melted cheese. We are talking quality ingredients, superbly prepared and costing less (!!!) than a Big Bob. The choppe is great to. I only usually go to the take-away section on Barata Ribeiro. Open till about 4am.
Cheers
Christopherd
(For sheer quantity as well as quality, I am reminded of the New York deli take-aways that get more salted beef onto a roll than is humanly possible)
have you checked out Cervantes? I only usually go to the take-away section on Barata Ribeiro. Open till about 4am.
Can you tell me the location of this restaurant and the pricing on this delicious sounding burger?
Member #4156
05-21-07, 23:44
Hey, has anyone on here ever stayed in Flamengo or the Botofogo área?
Hello everyone,
Which place would you recommend for a nice week of holidays on wonderful beaches plus beautiful girls for P4P? Price is no issue, as I am looking for quality.
For the South of Brazil, The place seems to be Florianopolis.
What about for the Nordeste? Bahia, Natal? Recife?
Thanks for the answer.
Kind regards. BB.
Can you tell me the location of this restaurant and the pricing on this delicious sounding burger?
Yep. It´s on the corner of Barata Ribeiro and Prado Junior. There´s two sections: the sit down area with tablecloths (a bit boring actually) and the stand up open air bar. The bar area is more on B.Ribeiro and the sit-down place is on Pr.Jnr. I think they shut about 4am or something.
I think the current price of a fillet steak, melted cheese and pineapple (barely contained on a warm roll) is around 10R. But I had a takeaway/to-go/viagem yesterday of calabresa sausage (an enormous whole one) with abacaxi and I got change from 5R I think. I can never remember the exact prices. They make their money on the chope, which is damn good.
btw this NOT the place to take any GDP. Plenty of pizza joints nearby open till the early hours for that - or even Nog (though I can´t say I wholeheartedly recommend Nog´s food). Cervantes is the place to get your high quality protein without spending a fortune. You will see some rather posh people for the likes of this part of town stop here for the food!
El Austriaco
05-22-07, 17:32
Superion,
No intention here of getting involved in a flame war or anything, just an expression of my disagreement with your statement. I will try to explain below why I disagree.
I guess that one WOULD BE accused of being a sex tourist in DR if you ONLY HANG OUT AT ***** TOWNS like Sosua (So-sewer) and Boca chica. It's obvious that you don't know nothing about DR, but yet you try to challenge me on it?
Just like if you hang out only in Copa in the usual P4P places, you stand a good chance of being accused of being a sex tourist. And it was your statement that in the DR, you just don't get accused of being a ST, period. Try to tell that any single German guy who travels there... the DR has a well-established reputation in Europe as a sex destination.
You have illustrated your lack of knowledge already with just a couple of sentences. Those places aren't even the real DR and I never frequent those 2 places.
Never said that BC or Sosua are the REAL DR. Just like Copacabana is not the real Brazil.
I've never been accused of being a sex-tourist there because I'm never around them nor the places they frequent.
You know, many places in Brazil off Copacabana I have frequented, I am also not accused of being a sex tourist.
For Brazil, it's big assed country so of course there's more than Copa, but once again I see another monger who is in denial that most of the gringo mongering takes place in Copa.
jajajjaa... this is the most astounding statement. I am actually someone who constantly tries to encourage mongers to get OUT of Copacabana and experience the mongering experience in other parts of Rio. Needless to say, I am painfully aware that most mongers "confine" themselves to Copacabana.
And for the un-initiated we can also do Fortaleza, Recife, and even Porto Alegre. But in all honesty those towns are boring as shyt compared to Rio. As far MYSELF confining myself to Copa. This is just pure speculation on your part. You don't know where I've been. But I CAN see that you like dirty ***** towns such as Sosewer and Boca Chica! Do yourself a favor and try to see the REAL DR.
So if you do not confine yourself only to Copa, then why do you write, verbatim, that "Also, in Thailand one is not confined to one place such as Copacabana in Rio." Where's the logic in that? Like to contradict yourself?
BTW, you ever been to Los Guandules in Santo Domingo? Talking about the real DR.
And do yourself the favor of trying to see the real Brazil, and you will notice that there is tons of mongering beyond Copacabana.
EA
Not sure really where to put this post.
Are there terma like places in europe, where you can drink/dance with, "feel" and be felt by the girls before committing one something more?
Superion,
No intention here of getting involved in a flame war or anything, just an expression of my disagreement with your statement. I will try to explain below why I disagree.
Just like if you hang out only in Copa in the usual P4P places, you stand a good chance of being accused of being a sex tourist. And it was your statement that in the DR, you just don't get accused of being a ST, period. Try to tell that any single German guy who travels there. The DR has a well-established reputation in Europe as a sex destination.
Never said that BC or Sosua are the REAL DR. Just like Copacabana is not the real Brazil.
You know, many places in Brazil off Copacabana I have frequented, I am also not accused of being a sex tourist.
Jajajjaa. This is the most astounding statement. I am actually someone who constantly tries to encourage mongers to get OUT of Copacabana and experience the mongering experience in other parts of Rio. Needless to say, I am painfully aware that most mongers "confine" themselves to Copacabana.
So if you do not confine yourself only to Copa, then why do you write, verbatim, that "Also, in Thailand one is not confined to one place such as Copacabana in Rio. " Where's the logic in that? Like to contradict yourself?
BTW, you ever been to Los Guandules in Santo Domingo? Talking about the real DR.
And do yourself the favor of trying to see the real Brazil, and you will notice that there is tons of mongering beyond Copacabana.
EAAll of this is kinda late, but I'll still reply.
I didn't contradict myself at all, but really made typos due to typing fast and lack of proofreading.
For Copa, I will agree that it's just the tip of the iceberg, but most of the user freindly tourist mongering is centralized in Copa. I'm sure that we all know that that there are endless establishments that cater to locals all over Rio.
IN comparison, ***** towns like Pattaya is a completely user friendly ***** town with many, more girls, cheaper, and all the anemities (except for a clean beach). The main economic activity of the town derives from the tourists.
*******
The DR.
I can honestly say that I don't care what the European perception of the DR is. Here in most USA circles the DR is still a regular tourist/ package holiday vacation. Here in the states it doesn't have the same reputation as a Thailand would. Also, I know PLENTY of Dominicans here in the USA and none of the even have the slightest idea that I monger down there. To most of the people here, the DR is just like any other Caribbean island.
I stand by my statement that it is NOT an obvious sex tourist destination. AT least from this side of the pond. I'm so deep into the DR when I go there, that I don't even see the whordes of German tourists etc.
If you wanna talk about Santo Domingo then how about checking out Managuayabo and then head on up to Bonao and tell me how many tourists you'll see there (I'll answer: hardly none at all).
Anotherlevel
05-23-07, 12:13
I had a question for you guys: Most of the reports that I have read from this great forum speak of prices and experiences from 1 guy with x amount of girls. My question is, my friend and I are going to Brazil this Saturday and we were wondering if we were to use an escort agency, are we going to get charged by the amount of guys there or just by the amount of girls we get? Example, 2 Guys - order 2 girls would it be 300 reais (150 per girl for 2 hours)?
Mr Enternational
05-23-07, 18:21
True indeed.
All of this is kinda late, but I'll still reply.
For Copa, I will agree that it's just the tip of the iceberg, but most of the user freindly tourist mongering is centralized in Copa. I'm sure that we all know that that there are endless establishments that cater to locals all over Rio.
IN comparison, ***** towns like Pattaya is a completely user friendly ***** town with many, more girls, cheaper, and all the anemities (except for a clean beach). The main economic activity of the town derives from the tourists.
The DR.
I can honestly say that I don't care what the European perception of the DR is. Here in most USA circles the DR is still a regular tourist/ package holiday vacation. To most of the people here, the DR is just like any other Caribbean island.
I stand by my statement that it is NOT an obvious sex tourist destination. AT least from this side of the pond.
Not sure really where to put this post.
Are there terma like places in europe, where you can drink/dance with, "feel" and be felt by the girls before committing one something more?
Sure, you should try the german FFKs or sauna clubs. Specially those around Dusseldorf and Frankfurt are very good. I think they are as good as the termas. Of course less latinas. But good service and good hygiene. Prices are about the same. See the FKK section of this forum.
cheers,
Dutch44
Yankee 617
05-28-07, 14:59
I didn't want to take up space in the Photo Gallery so I am posting here.
This message is "inspired" by posts 1421 and 1422 in the Photo Gallery by Sperto on 5-19-07. Those posts contain some photos of what I would consider rather hot/sexy young women that I think most of us would like to f*ck... and it seems Sperto enjoyed doing just that... so I would like to start by publically thanking Sperto for posting those photos.
However, I am confused by Sperto's remarks in conjunction with those photos. Specifically, he repeatedly refers to these young women as "skanks" and describes them as "ugly". I have always considered the term "skank" to be perjorative http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skank and insulting... even if the term is technically applicable to a particular young woman, I would refrain from using it to describe her unless I was unhappy with her for some reason and felt that it might do me some good to insult her. Further, while each of us may decide differently which women are ugly and which are pretty, I would personally not wish to brag about all the ugly women I've had sex with... in fact, if I really considered a woman to be ugly, I wouldn't have sex with her at all (well, okay, there might have been one or two occasions when I was exceptionally horny).
Its not just Sperto. (I hope my comments here are not taken to be a personal attack on him; he is just providing a convenient example.) I've seen many posts on ISG and other web sites where guys make perjorative and/or insulting remarks about women whose company they have enjoyed (or would like to enjoy). What I don't understand is why? Why do these guys use perjorative & insulting terms to describe young women whose company they have enjoyed? Do these guys have some underlying anger toward women in general? Are they themselves insecure and feel elevated by putting others down? Why are they not content to say: "Here is a girl that I had a lot of fun with. She wasn't a world-class beauty, and I wouldn't want to take her home to meet my mother, but I was happy to spend a few hours with her in bed."
Delaware Guy
05-28-07, 16:03
I'm sure Sperto can speak rather eloquently for himself but I believe the titles were aimed, in an appropriately sarcastic manner, at Brazilman, who some time back posted disparaging comments about photos of what many others would consider quite attractive garotas.
I didn't want to take up space in the Photo Gallery so I am posting here.
This message is "inspired" by posts 1421 and 1422 in the Photo Gallery by Sperto on 5-19-07... However, I am confused by Sperto's remarks in conjunction with those photos. Specifically, he repeatedly refers to these young women as "skanks" and describes them as "ugly"... Further, while each of us may decide differently which women are ugly and which are pretty, I would personally not wish to brag about all the ugly women I've had sex with... in fact, if I really considered a woman to be ugly, I wouldn't have sex with her at all... Do these guys have some underlying anger toward women in general? Are they themselves insecure and feel elevated by putting others down?
Yankee, if you had taken time to look at some earlier posts you might have understood why I used the word "Skanks". In the Photo Gallery I made a couple of posts of VM girls.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=590884&postcount=1361
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=591403&postcount=1371
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=591403&postcount=1371
Brazilman made a comment about these girls.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=596791&postcount=1395
"Sperto, Now I know why i dont screw girls from VM.You flew 15 hours to bang those skanks.whew! I hope the 10 bucks spent was worth the herpes you know have."
As I enjoy GPs at budget level I posted some more pics of girls <R$ 50, post 1421 and 1422. This time I added the comments "I don't mind a 15 hours flight to get the opportunity to bang some low-end skanks." "P.s Brazilman, just not to upset you I made the pics of my skanks in a smaller size this time." These comments were ironic remarks to Brazilmans comments to my earlier pics.
No, Yankee, the reason for me posting those pics were not to "brag about all the ugly women I've had sex with". Another big NO, I don't have any "underlying anger toward women in general".
I thought you didn't have to be Einstein to understand that I didn't consider any of the girls to be "skanks" or ugly. I liked all of them, I thought they were hot and sexy and I was very happy with them.
The reason for me posting those pics was to show what budget mongering can offer for a cheap buck. The repeatedly remarks of "skanks" was irony!
Just to please you I would delete the posts if I could, but there is no possibility longer to do that. Ask Jackson,I'm sure he can do it.
I didn't want to take up space in the Photo Gallery so I am posting here.
This message is "inspired" by posts 1421 and 1422 in the Photo Gallery by Sperto on 5-19-07. Those posts contain some photos of what I would consider rather hot/sexy young women that I think most of us would like to f*ck... and it seems Sperto enjoyed doing just that... so I would like to start by publically thanking Sperto for posting those photos.
However, I am confused by Sperto's remarks in conjunction with those photos. Specifically, he repeatedly refers to these young women as "skanks" and describes them as "ugly". I have always considered the term "skank" to be perjorative http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skank and insulting... even if the term is technically applicable to a particular young woman, I would refrain from using it to describe her unless I was unhappy with her for some reason and felt that it might do me some good to insult her. Further, while each of us may decide differently which women are ugly and which are pretty, I would personally not wish to brag about all the ugly women I've had sex with... in fact, if I really considered a woman to be ugly, I wouldn't have sex with her at all (well, okay, there might have been one or two occasions when I was exceptionally horny).
Its not just Sperto. (I hope my comments here are not taken to be a personal attack on him; he is just providing a convenient example.) I've seen many posts on ISG and other web sites where guys make perjorative and/or insulting remarks about women whose company they have enjoyed (or would like to enjoy). What I don't understand is why? Why do these guys use perjorative & insulting terms to describe young women whose company they have enjoyed? Do these guys have some underlying anger toward women in general? Are they themselves insecure and feel elevated by putting others down? Why are they not content to say: "Here is a girl that I had a lot of fun with. She wasn't a world-class beauty, and I wouldn't want to take her home to meet my mother, but I was happy to spend a few hours with her in bed."
From Encyclopedia-"Skank is slang and a pejorative term used in the Western World to describe a person, usually female, who is either sexually promiscuous in a tasteless manner or behaves in a way which others perceive to be such."
Just what if a skank is what turns certain men on? There is nothing wrong with refering to the female companion as a skank. Even if one does not like the term, one must respect anothers opinion. In Sperto's case, as he pointed out, there was a valid reason for his use of the term. So please, lets not make a f**ken federal case out of this.
There is no need to delete anything Sperto. Just keep posting as you always do, as your history of many reports demonstrate good judgement and taste.
By the way, I must admit that I have banged a few skanks in my time too, I do not discriminate. God forbid anyone call me "um cachorro" for this :)
El Austriaco
05-28-07, 17:29
Yankee,
When I was taking a look at Sperto's photos, the underlying irony of his use of "skank" was always clear to me. IMHO, he was not doing anything else but using it, in conjunction with his posting of beautiful girls, to make fun of the common notion, held by many mongers, that "low-budget" ALWAYS means "ugly" or "low-end". Also, by using the term "skank" to refer to women he himself had had sex with, he was actually being ironic about HIMSELF, more than anything else, so we was clearly not trying to elevate himself above others. So I think the intended meaning should be very clear.
The story would be different if someone used the term to put down women OTHERS have had sex with, or to refer to women in general. Sperto never did that. You are right, unfortunately, there are mongers/posters out there who go overboard, using "skank" synonymously with "women", displaying a racist and superior attitude. Sperto is clearly not one of them.
I have always enjoyed the Brazil boards, in particular because they are almost entirely devoid of demeaning attitudes towards women, racist remarks, pointless antagonism and the like. For example, this is clearly demonstrated by the widespread use of "garota de programa" as opposed to "puta", which would be considered disrespectful. Sperto is a highly valued member of this community who has contributed an enormous amount of useful information. IMHO, a few tongue-in-cheek remarks certainly don't change that. And in my book, there's nothing wrong with some humor.
EA
When you are in the Termas, and you pay for say, 40 minutes, do you get to NUTT as many times as possible in that 40 min. time span, or is it just one pop, and even if the time is not up, the girl leaves?
Chris H
El Austriaco
05-28-07, 19:27
When you are in the Termas, and you pay for say, 40 minutes, do you get to NUTT as many times as possible in that 40 min. time span, or is it just one pop, and even if the time is not up, the girl leaves?
Chris H
The termas I have been to, it has always been as many nuts as you can get off. Never had a girl leave early.
EA
El Austriaco
05-28-07, 19:32
I had a question for you guys: Most of the reports that I have read from this great forum speak of prices and experiences from 1 guy with x amount of girls. My question is, my friend and I are going to Brazil this Saturday and we were wondering if we were to use an escort agency, are we going to get charged by the amount of guys there or just by the amount of girls we get? Example, 2 Guys - order 2 girls would it be 300 reais (150 per girl for 2 hours)?
Yes, that's the way it would be, as far as I understand it: as long as the number of girls is at least equal to the number of guys. If two guys want to hire one girl, for example, with the understanding that both of them want to do her, you would get charged two service fees, in all likelihood. This makes sense, considering that doing one guy is not the same as doing two or more guys. Also, many agencies frown on sending less girls than guys, for obvious security reasons.
Let's say three guys want to do three girls and rotate them, I would make that very clear when ordering the girls, though. Don't just assume that this will be automatically included.
Of course, this specifically refers to escort agencies. Termas are different (AFAIK, most don't allow more than one guy per girl at a time), and with freelancers, it's whatever you negotiate.
Hope this helps,
EA
Some people have a very thin skin, sperto has always posted in good humor, his remarks are light hearted and are not meant to be taken as an insult to anyone. He is making fun of himself and the girls he has been with.
In termas, the more expensive ones, it is not always as many nuts as you can do. It depends on the girl, her attitude towards you and the place. In centaurus for example, many girls will only allow one nut and will leave the cabine after you have nutted. Of course if you get along well with the girl or are a regular there, this will happen in the minority of cases. Other places it is quite uncommon, but not unheard of. In all I am thinking 90% of the time you can nut away as often as you or your medical prescription will allow.
In the cheap places it will generally be 1 nut.
Many escort agencies will have a swapping fee. IE, once you buddy has done her and you also want to do her, it is usually a small tip to the girl, something like R30 or so.
In a terma it is basically assumed that if there are 2 guys and 2 girls that there will be swapping involved and no extra charge or tip is necessary. Also might want to ask if each girl will let each guy do her in the ass if required. No termas that I am aware of will allow 2 guys and 1 girl. If you wish to DP a girl, you need to first find the girl willing to take 2 dicks at the same time, most termas will actually have more than enough anal queens willing to do this, and then drag another girl along to make up the required numbers.
In Rio, anything is possible..........
El Austriaco
05-28-07, 20:03
In the cheap places it will generally be 1 nut.
That's right. At the same time, in the 1R$ per minute places, you can just buy 20 minutes with one girl, and then another 20 minutes with another one. It's like buying nuts one at a time, and at a great discount. And in my experience, most of them have not been reluctant to stretch time a bit when the nut was not immediately forthcoming :)
EA
Buba said it all. Centaurus is the only termas I know that girls leave the cabin after you come one time. I had a "friend"who worked at another termas at the time who told me that at the time she worked at centaurus,that girls make a kind of agreement about this,to finish as quickly as possible. And it is the most expensive termas in Rio!! That's one of the main reasons I don't go there. In all the others termas I know 40 minutes means 40 minutes, regardless of how many times you pop.
How about in places like 4*4 or Luomos, can you get more than one nut in the alloted time? Like Bubba said, if you are getting along with the girl, that will help and getting that 2nd or 3rd nut with her in the 40 min. time span, but I am just curious if normally, the girl will run out as soon as you nut once and you may still have 20min. remaining. If that is the case, then I would think that the cheap spots are a better value for busting 1 nut.
Chris H
El Austriaco
05-28-07, 21:06
How about in places like 4*4 or Luomos, can you get more than one nut in the alloted time? Like Bubba said, if you are getting along with the girl, that will help and getting that 2nd or 3rd nut with her in the 40 min. time span, but I am just curious if normally, the girl will run out as soon as you nut once and you may still have 20min. remaining. If that is the case, then I would think that the cheap spots are a better value for busting 1 nut.
Chris H
Never had a problem the (few) times I have been to L'Uomo, 4X4, or MC. At MV 30, where I mostly hang out, I have never had a problem, either. Of course, I do spend time with the girls before taking them to the cabin, and speaking Portuguese greatly helps in determining whether you get along or whether there is any chemistry. But in my experience, the girl running out as soon as you busted the first one is not the norm in Rio. I agree with BB that 90% of the time, just nut away. If you are concerned about this, just negotiate services with her and make sure that you will get multiple pops BEFORE taking a girl to the cabina. Then, if she only lets you pop once, you have a legitimate complaint.
EA
Mr Enternational
05-29-07, 01:25
No termas that I am aware of will allow 2 guys and 1 girl. In Rio, anything is possible.Years ago, my very first time in 4X4, my friend and I were both digging the same chick. Neither of us wanted to give in to the other so we took her to the cabine for 2 on 1. We each had to pay the regular rate.
One Eyed Man
05-29-07, 03:16
I'm in Rio now, and clearly business is much slower in the off-season. Whereas normally the rule is always to have change for a R$50, now hif you give a R$20 to the taxi driver or beach guy, he's hard-pressed to give you change. Be sure to keep lots of small bills on you!
Just to please you I would delete the posts if I could, but there is no possibility longer to do that. Ask Jackson,I'm sure he can do it.
No, don't delete them; they are excellent photos. It should have been obvious to anyone with half a brain that your use of the word "skank" was tongue in cheek. Apparently Yankee 617 has less than half a brain. Maybe he can be the next Republican nominee for President.
Lorenzo
Yankee 617
05-29-07, 12:05
Apparently Yankee 617 has less than half a brain.
Lorenzo For some reason, the irony was lost on me when I read those posts yesterday. Today it seems much more clear.
Its been a couple years since I've been to Brazil (and the Brazil ISG board). I should have taken time to read the surrounding posts more carefully. Perhaps then the irony would have sunken into my half-brain. Instead I reacted too quickly. As El Austriaco points out
You are right, unfortunately, there are mongers/posters out there who go overboard, using "skank" synonymously with "women", displaying a racist and superior attitude. Sperto is clearly not one of them. I have seen such posts many times, wherein the poster indiscriminately uses perjorative & insulting terms ("bitches", etc) to describe every woman... with the possible exception of their mother. Its that type of post to which I object. I have no objection to a little irony or humor.
I visited VM myself once and found the place fascinating as well as entertaining... although I didn't bed any lovelies there. (I was exhausted after walking around for 4-5 hours just trying to locate the place and I was a little wary of the place as well... particularly as I was entirely on my own.)
Like Sperto, I too enjoy "bargain hunting". (There are some interesting buildings in Belo Horizonte, each with dozens of small rooms, and a woman in each room charging R$10 for 10 minutes... the turnover is rapid and each gal has to pay about R$100/day in rent, plus whatever incidentals she requires... but that's another story.) I would be delighted to return to VM and find some of the bargains that Sperto found there.
Mr Enternational
05-30-07, 02:00
For some reason, the irony was lost on me when I read those posts yesterday. Today it seems much more clear.Maybe yesterday you were concentrating more on the asses and less on the words.
The last Mercer's Cost of Living survey from May 2006, which concerned 2005 prices, ranked Rio and Sao Paulo 42th (from 124th position two years ago).
I'm pretty sure that with the strong appreciation of the brasilian Real they will move up to the top 20 most expensive cities in the world this year.
http://www.finfacts.com/costofliving.htm
Brasil has pricing itself out of the market. I really don't understand what still brings you guys there. Save faveladas pussies of course.
Sui Generis
06-01-07, 09:23
Brasil has pricing itself out of the market. I really don't understand what still brings you guys there. Save faveladas pussies of course.
Not only that...
For me, traveling to Brazil is always a renewed cultural experience, in the broad sense of the world.Seeing friends, going to concerts, enjoying a fine meals in a restaurant, studying the fine brazilian urban architecture, contemplating art exhibits, buying books, cds, DVDs, clothes, shoes...
Hobbying is just a part of things I do in Brazil. We all have different motrivation, aren't we?
Bye ya!
I really don't understand what still brings you guys there. Save faveladas pussies of course.
What brings me to Brazil, except for the women? Friendly and happy people, beautiful beaches, fantastic nature, amazing wildlife, good fishing, interesting culture, good shopping, tasty food, good beer, excellent variety of great music, exciting nightlife and big smiles.
What brings me to Brazil, except for the women? Friendly and happy people, beautiful beaches, fantastic nature, amazing wildlife, good fishing, interesting culture, good shopping, tasty food, good beer, excellent variety of great music, exciting nightlife and big smiles.
I would emphasize the friendly and happy people. Also get to meet a lot of gringos and talk with them, that would typically not happen in the USA.
In spite of the falling dollar, I still love this place.
Sui Generis and Sperto:
Cut the bullshit! You're there for the pussy! I suppose you look at Playboy for the interviews? :D
L
When I go to a fine dinning establishment, I don't just go for the food. I go for the food (pussy-sushi), service, am-viaounce, and price.
If I were to tell you that I do not go to Brazil for sushi, I would be a liar. But hell, I try to get tits and ass no matter where I go, pro or non-pro. Not everyone is the same. People have different priorities, and different values for certain factors. For example, dinning, outdoor adventures, cultural sites, beaches, festivals, concerts, buss. investments, visiting a friend, and yes, PUSSY is one of those factors. But I think many of us who travel and enjoy all of the finer things in life, have different priorities and values for all of the already mentioned factors.
There are some very obvious scenarios where its all about the pussy. For example, a person who is married. Even then, they take into consideration other possible activities or things to do.
Come on now, no matter how much of a bad ass macho we all would like to think we are, there is more too a vacation than just banging. I love pussy just as much as anyone else out there, but unless you are popping blue pills everyday, sooner or later you need to do something different. And even then.
Overall, it may be true that pussy is a top priority, but not always, and again it depends on several factors. Lorenzo, I think you are partially right about pussy being a major factor, but its not all about the pussy. Just my opinion according to my tastes and preferences.
Some people out there might find this hard to believe, but I actually went to Florence, Italy to see amazing and historic artwork(sarcasm for those that can't figure it out). Go figure that in a little ice cream shop near a plaza, I would meet an Italian babe ( non-pro)while I was ordering gelato de chocolate( not be sarcastic, actually happenned). I got some T & A, and it was not on my agenda for that trip. Similar things have happenned to me like this in other destinations.
How ironic, just this past november in Rio I was able to eat some ice cream right off a gdp's bunda. One scoop of vanilla on her right nard, and one scoop of strawberry on her left nard, along with chocolate syrup running down the crack of her ass ( God Bless Suellen ) :)
Hello gentleman,
I need some info on this night club in Ipanema. Few weeks ago I was there around 23:00 Saturday night and I was told it was 100r to get in. Of course I didn't belive them so I asked my brazilian friend to ask and he also got the same answer. I wanted to know if any one of you had been in it and to give some info about this place. I have been in many clubs I just never heard of 50usd to get in. I must say one thing the girls going in that place they were the best looking Victoria Secret type of models that I have ever seen.
Thanks for your help.
Tiger
Exec Talent
06-02-07, 12:38
I love the country, the vistas, the people, the culture, the music and the of course, the women. What I hate are loud mouthed Americans, with no appreciation of nor respect for Brazilian culture, who are absolutely nothing in America and suddenly think they are something there.
The lower exchange rate does have some benefit other than allowing the US to sell more goods and services to Brazilians. Hopefully, we will see fewer of these kind of guys there.
Seems to me like a whole lot of intellectualizing and talking in circles going on here. The easiest way to settle it, to see which side of the fence you fall on. Is to ask your self a simple question.
If all the p4p stopped! In Rio! Would you bare the long flight, and go back? I think most would not, and the rest would go back once, just out of denial. I my self love the pizza, I love don camillos, I hate beer, but love choppe (br, tap beer).
And I too like the little nuances of Rio, its schizophrenic culture and religion, nothing like a city that can perform so much debauchery, literally in the shadow of christ, I love it!
New years is great, too everyone on the beach worshiping the sea goddess, while wearing crosses and calling theme selves catholics.
Makes you feel like worshiping a golden calf, ha!
And I'm agnostic.
How could you not love it?
But no! Dupla in the jacuzzi! And I am done!
I would not go back.
But I wouldn't go any where else either.
Just my own preference.
Sunset Strip
06-02-07, 19:30
Do any of you guys take your dates to the Copa Grill? I usually take one or two of them there during a stay. There are very few tourist in there and the girls feel comfortable because it is in Copa where they know everybody.
It is nice to get off Avenida Atlantica for awhile. This place is also a nice place to wake up and eat lunch, as I do not eat breakfast in Brazil.
TJ
TJ Fannatic,
I don't think I have ever visited the place. Where in Copa is it located and what's on the menu?
RR
Sunset Strip
06-02-07, 20:00
Copa Grill
Venue: Rua Ministro Viveiros de Castro, 47 - Copacabana
Phone: 2542-5581
Copa Grill is located block or two off Av. Atlantica near the corner that meets Princessa Isabela.
They have a Brazilian buffet with fish, fruit, a few veggies, rice, etc.
Then they have a chef who cuts up the meats that you want--steak(file), chicken (galihna), etc.
The price is quite reasonable.
The desserts are really good.
They show Brazilian soap operas ALL DAY, and the Brazilians always sit so they can watch the show.
I like it because I am usually the only gringo in the place, but I feel really comfortable.
TJ
I would emphasize the friendly and happy people. .
The myth of Brasil being a carefree and uninhibited paradise filled with friendly and genuine people is totally overrated ... just scratch behind the surface, and you'll discover that the reality is VERY different.
Brasilians (of all social classes) are some the most greedy, untrustworthy and deceitful people I've ever met.
Also, I'm not against a bit of national pride, but I find their their excessive ubernationalism, especially cultural, highly annoynig and really ridiculous.
Sui Generis
06-03-07, 10:26
The myth of Brasil being a carefree and unhinibited paradise filled with friendly and genuine people is totally overrated ... just scratch behind the surface, and you'll discover that the reality is VERY different.
Brasilians (of all social classes) are some the most greedy, untrustworthy and deceitful people I've ever met.
Also, I'm not against a bit of national pride, but I find their their excessive ubernationalism, especially "cultural", highly annoynig, laughable and stupid.
It's quite amusing to read the comments of simple hobbyists trying to converse on quite elaborate matters such as the UFANISMO of Brazilians. I didn't know that we had so many «experts» on this board....
Between the red-neck patriotism and rampant racism of the Americans, the arrogance of the Frenchs, the jettatura of the Italians, the sisu of the Finns, the alleged wisdom of the Japaneses, the indolence of the Blacks, the deceit of the Arabs, the miserliness of the Jews, I prefer to believe in the joie-de-vivre and pride of the Brazilians...even if it's a script written by Walt Disney.
I prefer the brazilian culture of mixegenação to the american mass culture (dixit Adorno), or to the pettyness of the so-called European culture. Of course, Brazil is not a paradise and there's a lot of ugly things there, but, cetirus paribus, I find there some of the values that I estimate the most.
Seems to me like a whole lot of intellectualizing and talking in circles going on here. The easiest way to settle it, to see which side of the fence you fall on. Is to ask your self a simple question.
If all the p4p stopped! In Rio! Would you bare the long flight, and go back? I think most would not, and the rest would go back once, just out of denial. I my self love the pizza, I love don camillos, I hate beer, but love choppe (br, tap beer).
Well the first 2 times I went to Rio I was not even aware there was a P4P scene there.
The first time I went to Rio was actually Memorial Day weekend 1980, I went with a group of co-workers and our plan was just to do some touristy things. There was no internet at the time and no one to tell me about the scene but it just seemed like a cool place to visit. I didn't pick the hotel but we stayed at the Sol Ipanema which didn't even expose me to anything that would have been going on in Copacabana unfortunately. I went to a futebol game, Samba show, Corcovado and Sugar Loaf. Hit some nice restaurants and that was it, just another beach destination.
About 2 years later I and a buddy of mine were planning a fun summer trip to Europe: Paris, Nice and Amsterdam, I said lets throw in Rio at the beginning it was a cool place I want to try it again. Our Itinerary was JFK -Rio, Rio - Mia, Mia- Paris, Paris - Nice, Nice - Amsterdam, Amsterdam - JFK.
We arrived in Rio and stayed in the Rio Palace, today it's the Sofitel. Went to the beach and did all the touristy things and then that night we sat outside in that Cafe next to the Sofitel and it was packed with beautiful women. I said to my friend look at all these beautiful women staring at us, something is strange here but I like it.
Well that was it, I met one of these girl, I had to sneak her into the Rio Palace hotel and the rest is history. so I have gone twice to Rio so far without any P4P. Would I go now after what I already know? Yes and concentrate on the non pros, why not?
I was speaking to a friend in the banking business, he mentioned that the USD will continue to devalue. He personal opinion is that the USD and the Reais could be close to 1-1 within the next 12 months. More likely it will end up around 1.25-1. We will likely see 2-1 on the Euro, and close to 3-1 on the British Pound. It sucks! Almost makes the hobby non affordable, or go to TJ for some shitty service or pick up american SW. I am hoping to hit Rio in September, but if we really crash against the Reais, forget it.
If all the p4p stopped! In Rio! Would you bare the long flight, and go back?
Yes, I would. P**y for free tastes just as good, or even better. :)
I was speaking to a friend in the banking business, he mentioned that the USD will continue to devalue. He personal opinion is that the USD and the Reais could be close to 1-1 within the next 12 months. More likely it will end up around 1.25-1. We will likely see 2-1 on the Euro, and close to 3-1 on the British Pound. It sucks! Almost makes the hobby non affordable, or go to TJ for some shitty service or pick up american SW. I am hoping to hit Rio in September, but if we really crash against the Reais, forget it.
Ok, so it's now official, the US dollar sucks big time against the Real; it's now dropped to 1.89 as I type this.
But in your post, you make it sound like there are only three places to get laid in the world, Rio, TJ, and the US. But here's a little bit of info that may suprise and shock the regular posters to the Rio/Brasil threads: there are MANY other places to get laid in the world. Brasil does not have a monopoly on beautiful women, just like it does not have a monopoly on great food, culture, nice weather etc. There are tons of other places that are availabe to visit that have all those things you mentioned, AND are still very affordable as well. Just to give you an example, there are three countries in the Americas (El Salvador, Panama, and Ecuador) that actually use the US dollar as their official currency. So no matter how low the dollar drops, you're still going to be able to find bargans in these countries; or as I use to say when I lived in Ecuador: "No matter how low the dollar goes, a $15 session is still going to cost $15!".
There are many other places to check out as well. I'm planning on spending a couple months next year to explore a few different countries in Central America, El Salvador being the one I'm most excited about. Even in Mexico, where the Peso is still about 10.8 to 1 USD, there are many other places to go besides TJ; it is a big country after all, no need to limit yourself to one border town for pussy.
Or, just stay in Brasil and get out of Rio and check out some small towns in the Northeast. I spent a couple weeks in the city of São Luis in '05, and things were so cheap there that even with the current 1.89 exchange rate, it would still be a good deal today. R35/night for a budget hotel and R50 for hot Belem pussy at one of the local boites. And that's actually more money than you need to spend to get laid in SL!
My point is, this worrying about the weak dollar is getting kind of silly. Complaining about it isn't going to strengthen it, and like you said, in the short run it's just going to keep getting weaker anyways. Either find another destination to go to (invest in a globe if you have to) or keep staying in your comfort zone of Rio/Copacabana and just suck it up and pay the higher prices, it's as easy as that.
Oh, and while I'm here typing, Prosal is absolutely right in his last posts about Brasil/Brasilians being over-rated; there's a big difference between the perceptions you aquire from living a normal life there and just going for a sex vacation, trust me. But I think Prosal can defend his position himself.
I will be arriving within the next day or so and even though I am not happy with the weak dollar, I just decided that I will have to spend an extra $1000.00 than I originally expected. What would have cost me 4 grand a few months ago, will now cost me 5 grand. F**k it, thats the way the cookie crumbles. As Ezinho said, complaining about it is not going to strengthen the dollar. I work very hard to cut myself short on my vacation time. I am sure many other members in this forum do too.
My game plan will be to take out as much money from the citibank atm with my citibank card as possible as soon as I get there. Cause the dollar is just going to keep going down while I am there for the next few weeks.
Also, I will just check out one other city in Brasil aside from staying in Rio. I originally planned to go visit two others. I have already been to Bahia de S and Natal. So I am leaning towards SP or Fortaleza. Maybe Manaus as an outside possibility.
I will use my credit card less than usual. Also I plan to spend alot more time in Centro as compared to usual. Finally, one of the most important factors will be to rely alot more on interaction with non pros as opposed to pros. I spend 20% of my time with non pros. I will increase it to 50/50. I took all of those damn portuguese lessons here in the states for months, might as well really put it to the test.
Overall, I think at least for now, one can save cash by putting into place some subtle changes within their game plan and budgeting. Honestly, if you make enough money to take a trip to Brasil, spending an extra 20% for a lifetime worth of memories is all worth it. 6 months from now, it could be a totally different story, but for now, just suck it up.
Is 1000R the most you can take out of CitiBank in a day?
Is 1000R the most you can take out of CitiBank in a day?
The limit per withdrawal on Citibank is R$ 1000, but Citibank allows several repeated withdrawals on the same day. Charging a fee of R$ 6 (?).
I plan on doing as many transactions as possible, one right after the other. In fact, I will be calling citibank beforehand to inform them of my plans so they do not suspect any type of a scam going on. As for fees, I really don't care at this point unless its something totally insane. Once I find out tomorrow, I will right a report.
The myth of Brasil being a carefree and uninhibited paradise filled with friendly and genuine people is totally overrated ... just scratch behind the surface, and you'll discover that the reality is VERY different.
Brasilians (of all social classes) are some the most greedy, untrustworthy and deceitful people I've ever met.
Also, I'm not against a bit of national pride, but I find their their excessive ubernationalism, especially cultural, highly annoynig and really ridiculous.
I have scratched beneath the surface through dating a Brazilian woman for 18 months. Your generalization is offensive, as is the myth you complain about.
There are Brazilians who are deceitful, lie to get a real, and whom you shouldn't trust beyond your nose. I have been victimized by some who ran businesses (hotels, restaurants, etc.). But they are far outnumbered by the Brazilians who are warm, friendly, value a repeat customer and a favorable reputation. They see beyond the next day and behave is if their behavior today has consequences for tomorrow, next week, and my next trip. Those Brazilians have treated me very well and make it a special country for me.
Their ubernationalism is no more annoying and ridiculous, and is FAR less dangerous than our own (US) form of ubernationalism where we export our violence and our ideal of democracy to volatile places in the world through movies, music, and outright war.
Prosal, no one is forcing you to travel to Brazil. So if you don't like the place, just don't go! There is no need to disparage the country and its people.
Exec Talent
06-03-07, 20:14
I found it interesting that CitiBank allows mutiple R$1000 withdrawals per day. My bank does not, even after I spoke with them. And, it didn't matter how much money I had in their bank.
I am going to open an account with either CitiBank or HSBC. Does anyone know if HSBC has the same withdrawal policy? Is one bank better than another for any reason?
Thanks!
I found it interesting that CitiBank allows mutiple R$1000 withdrawals per day. My bank does not, even after I spoke with them. And, it didn't matter how much money I had in their bank.
I am going to open an account with either CitiBank or HSBC. Does anyone know if HSBC has the same withdrawal policy? Is one bank better than another for any reason?
Thanks!
I know with HSBC, they only would let me withdraw R$1,000 a day. When I tried to withdraw more money with the same card on the same day, the ATM would notify me that I had exceeded my limit for the day and to return tomorrow. I was under the impression that that is how it was at all banks in Brasil; that the daily limit was R$1,000. Have they changed the law in the last year or so? Here is the International Services webpage for HSBC; line 3 explains the daily limit:
http://www.hsbc.com.br/common/international-services/conteudo-estrangeiros.shtml?rnd=9605
Ok, that's it, I think I've caused enough trouble in this thread for one day!
I found it interesting that CitiBank allows mutiple R$1000 withdrawals per day. My bank does not, even after I spoke with them. And, it didn't matter how much money I had in their bank.
I am going to open an account with either CitiBank or HSBC. Does anyone know if HSBC has the same withdrawal policy? Is one bank better than another for any reason?
Thanks!
We had a long discussion on one forum about banks and cards.. cant recall where but it was in the past week.
I have CitiBank USA account, I can normally take out $1000 USD a day at Citibank ATMs. I can call Citi and they can raise that to $2000 USD a day.
They DO NOT charge a fee.
I heard HBSC gives a slightly better rate, but have not been able to connect with anyone who can compare at the same time.
The citi rates match the rate shown on Yahoo.
I was told that I can take out a maximum of $1000 a day per account. Meaning that you can take out a 1000.00 US from your savings, another 1000.00 US from your checking, and another 1000.00US from your money market account per day which in this case would equal 3000.00 US in total.
That is was I was told by the citibank agent over the phone. When I get to brasil, I will get to find out first hand if this is true or not. Alrighty, I am outta heres, I need to pack and go to the airport. Laters!
I was told that I can take out a maximum of $1000 a day per account. Meaning that you can take out a 1000.00 US from your savings, another 1000.00 US from your checking, and another 1000.00US from your money market account per day which in this case would equal 3000.00 US in total.
That is was I was told by the citibank agent over the phone. When I get to brasil, I will get to find out first hand if this is true or not. Alrighty, I am outta heres, I need to pack and go to the airport. Laters!
Yes, they will tell you that at first Then they tell you that you can do a cash advance against the card. However, the Citi ATM will give you and error and not allow this.
So when you call them, tell them you are in Brazil, that the CitiBank ATM will not allow cash advances and you want a temporary increase on the amount you can withdrawal. They might have to ask for a supervisor (I typically get an off-shore agent that does not speak english very well, and sometimes have to ask for a supervisor). Trust me, this can be done.
One other thing.. Saturday, Sunday and Monday all count as one day.. (or is it friday, saturday, sunday)..
I have personally done this a dozen times this year.
Mr Enternational
06-04-07, 01:36
Jesus. I hope that I never have a reason to withdraw that much money in a day; or even a week for that matter.
I was told that I can take out a maximum of $1000 a day per account. Meaning that you can take out a 1000.00 US from your savings, another 1000.00 US from your checking, and another 1000.00US from your money market account per day which in this case would equal 3000.00 US in total.
That is was I was told by the citibank agent over the phone. When I get to brasil, I will get to find out first hand if this is true or not. Alrighty, I am outta heres, I need to pack and go to the airport. Laters!
Just a warning guys (funny that our "experts" so imbued with brasilian culture didn't mentionned that :D).
If you've got a brasilian girlfriend, DON'T FORGET the 12th of June !!!!
It's "Dia dos Namorados", the brasilian version of Valentine's Day.
Besides her birthday, it's the only holiday that REALLY matters, and she won't forgive you for forgetting !
An idea of gift ... a bikini or some after-beach outfits from Bumbum Ipanema (Visconde de Piraja, Rio Sul, Barra Shopping, ect). She will LOVE it.
;)
I was told that I can take out a maximum of $1000 a day per account. Meaning that you can take out a 1000.00 US from your savings, another 1000.00 US from your checking, and another 1000.00US from your money market account per day which in this case would equal 3000.00 US in total.
I would be very careful taking that much money out of the ATM in one go. Do it in the daytime and preferably with friends to escort you back to your hotel or apartment. I am sure you can take care of yourself but why take the chance? If you don't have an electronic safe in your room, have the hotel manager lock up most of it for you. Better safe than sorry.
As I mentioned before, day to day - week to week, the exchange rate should not go down that much. I would consider personal safety first against losing $R20 on a $R0.02 dip on the exchange rate. (on exchange of $1,000USD) I usually budget myself with having $R1000-1500 on hand. Normally this lasts me 3-4 days then keeping in mind the weekend counts as 1 day. Using your bank card as a debit card at well established places like L'uomo or 4x4 should be OK.
My two cents, I am sure you can still have a lot of fun in Rio even on a lesser than normal budget. Enjoy yourself.
If you've got a Brasilian girlfriend, DON'T FORGET the 12th of June !!!!
It's "Dia dos Namorados", the brasilian version of Valentine's Day.
Yep, for the romantics out there. Treat your special GDP of the moment with some chocolates and you can get some extra nice "rewards"!
I could never remember what date this falls on until asked a GFE of mine.
But I still forgot their Mother's Day . . . Second Sunday of May. (May 13th) :eek:
Thank you for the concern AL. No nned to woory, I have a safe box in a well secured building in a great neighborhood. I always have my guard up.
There is a limit on most withdrawals from ATMs. The one I use gives R1000.
Using Visa, there is no technical limit but most banks will at first deny this.
You have to get hold of a manager that speaks English, explain that if they display the Visa logo they are legally obliged to provide you with any amount up to the maximum credit on your card. After double-checking this with Visa International I eventualy thumbscrewed the bank into giving me a large amount. Dealing with banks here can take all afternoon. I use ATMs or cambios if I can.
Mr Enternational
06-04-07, 18:33
If you've got a brasilian girlfriend, DON'T FORGET the 12th of June !!!!
It's "Dia dos Namorados", the brasilian version of Valentine's Day.
Besides her birthday, it's the only holiday that REALLY matters, and she won't forgive you for forgetting!Dude you don't have to remind me. Recently one of my non-pros said she wanted to get back with me. This is after she "broke-up" with me at the end of January because I told her that if she wants to have a family she needs to not put the cart before the horse. Now this is a smart girl. She speaks fluent English and did a student/work exchange in Missouri some years back. She is 30 years old, has a job, but doesn't even know how to boil water. She lives with her mom, which I am fine with because I understand the culture. But damn, your mom cooks everyday. At least get your ass in the kitchen and stand next to her and learn. At least learn how to make those bottomless Sangrias that your mom is so good at. Don't tell me that you will learn how to take care of a family AFTER you get the family. Then get upset with me for telling you that you are trying to do things out of order.
Anyway, she tells me that she wants to go to Porcão for Valentine's day. Then her birthday is on the 14th, so she tells me that I need to bring her a gift for each. Now I'm not big on tradition, but she always wants to do things soley for the sake of tradition. Now hear this: I haven't even smelled the pussy. On Christmas Day, I think I got to lick on one tit because of the easy access of her two-piece after we came from the beach. But it was already time to get ready to go to the airport so I didn't have time for additional exploration. Now she tells me that I offened her when that happened; although I didn't hear her complaining that day.
She is a church girl and says she wants to wait until she is married. She said that she left God once by letting some guy hit, but then he cheated on her, so she will never leave God again. The first time around I told her that it was okay with me as long as she understands that I am going to fuck other people. She was cool with that. But of course I can not keep coming out of the pocket and she has no remote intentions of letting me hit it from the back. To me that is like sending a GDP money by Western Union; just money down the drain. So I am thinking about just telling her about the only three things that men need: SEX, food, and sleep. And that I am pretty sure that this is not going to work out if she is not willing to provide those things. Of course I am going to tell her all of this before I spend another dime.
To me, it kind of seems like she popped back up because she does not want to miss out on the Valentine and birthday "tradition" and I am the best option that she has to make it happen for her.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Dear all,
I will be in Brazil in a few days, traveling there for the 1st time. I would really appreciate an advice regarding the 2 things below:
1. I prefer to meet beautiful young girls (preferably around 20 y.o., the younger the better - I'm in my 20s myself) who are non-pros. Functional English is a must, since I don't speak a word of Portuguese. I like girls who have gorgeous innocent face, slim legs, and who are passionate in bed. Model-types, in other words. Is my goal completely unrealistic? It it is somewhat realistic, I would be obliged if someone wouldshare with me their experiences and, perhaps, suggest a strategy of how to reach my goal. Please keep in mind that I'll be mainly in Sao Paolo and Belo Horizonte.
2. If you consider that my goal in #1 has very low probability of being materialized - I can try and settle for the pros or semi-pros. Assuming that the girl description above is NOT negotiable - where can I find what I like in Belo Horizonte and Sao Pulo?
Again, I will very much appreciate your advice and sharing your personal experience.
Regards,
Aibolit
I found it interesting that CitiBank allows mutiple R$1000 withdrawals per day. My bank does not, even after I spoke with them. And, it didn't matter how much money I had in their bank.
I am going to open an account with either CitiBank or HSBC. Does anyone know if HSBC has the same withdrawal policy? Is one bank better than another for any reason?
Thanks!
HSBC allows withdrawals for up to the equivalent of 1000$ per day, but I imagine that limit could be increased, that's at least what I understood from the bank manager here in Canada, not sure how it is for US accounts.
El Austriaco
06-05-07, 06:42
1. I prefer to meet beautiful young girls (preferably around 20 y.o., the younger the better - I'm in my 20s myself) who are non-pros. Functional English is a must, since I don't speak a word of Portuguese. I like girls who have gorgeous innocent face, slim legs, and who are passionate in bed. Model-types, in other words. Is my goal completely unrealistic?Yes it is, unless you look like Brad Pitt and/or have a lot of money to dish out on them, preferably both. Even better, be Brad Pitt. Otherwise, Brazilian model-type non-pros who speak functional English (meaning, they didn't learn it on their back) won't even talk to you, in all likelihood, because they will be surrounded by Brazilian Brad Pitt look-alikes and filthy rich guys waiting in line to kiss their feet.
Just my humble opinion, of course. Go with the pros.
As to where to find those pros, RTFF.
EA
Not sure where to post this but I am having a dilemma.
Just came back from Brasil less than a couple of weeks ago and I am suffering from mega saudades and can't wait to go back. However, in the meantime, I have also been studying about Thailand (mainly due to my work) but undoubtedly when one thinks of Thailand, it's impossible not to think of the mongering options there. So here's my dilemma and this is a question I am asking those who have experienced both Brasil and Thailand:
How do the Thai girls compare with the Brasilians in terms of the quality of the service, the enthusiasm they put into the sex and the level of GFE/PSE ?
I have been truly lucky and spoilt in Brasil and looking at the pics in the Thailand forum have left me a bit unsure. Sure there are some good looking girls but they don't seem to have the same curves and sexyness as our beloved Brasileiras.
Am I going to take a step down going to Thailand compared to Brasil when it comes to the quality of the girls and the quality of the services they provide?
How does Thailand compare with Brasil in terms of safety, cost, good beaches and the overall attitude of the locals vis-à-vis tourists?
Are hotels girl friendly there? How much on average should I expect to pay for a nice hotel (not 5 stars, a 3-4 * would do).
What is the best time of the year to visit Thailand?
Which city would you recommend to be my first to visit in Thailand for the sake of the hobby, safety, cost and proximity to a beautiful beach and tons of hot and sexy girls?:D
So far, the positive points about Thailand are: (please do not hesitate to correct me and or complete my info gathered so far in these forums).
Relatively inexpensive.
A totally new experience compared to South America as culturally speaking, it's an extremely rich country.
Nice and friendly people.
Seems fairly safe.
Negatives about Thailand:
Very long flight.
Quality of the girls at least in the pictures posted in here leave a lot to be desire specially to someone used and spoilt by Brasileiras.
I don't speak a word of Thai, as opposed to being almost fluent in Portuguese.
A major thanks in advance to all contributing their valuable feedbacks on this matter.
Valeu. :)
I prefer to meet beautiful young girls (preferably around 20 y.o., the younger the better - I'm in my 20s myself) who are non-pros. Functional English is a must, since I don't speak a word of Portuguese. I like girls who have gorgeous innocent face, slim legs, and who are passionate in bed. Model-types, in other words. Is my goal completely unrealistic? It it is somewhat realistic ?
It is TOTALLY unrealistic.
In Brasil, top level girls want top level guys (which eliminates 95% of the mongers), and anyway are not interested by "never to be seen again after their 10 day sex holiday" foreign mongers. As EA said, they prefer wealthy, good-looking and young locals, and have already tons of those guys at their feet begging to please them. They don't need you.
Also you will be disappointed as the myth of the "beautiful brasileira" is totally over-rated and you will soon discover that the ratio of really smokin girls in Brasil is not that great. Even in Sao Paulo and southern/center-west states (Goias), where you'll more likely find the most attractive women, for every 1 hot one you get about 5 average and 20 ugly, and if you go to places like Recife, Fortaleza or Manaus, then that ratio is 1 hot one to 5 average and 100 ugly.
If you look for model-type girls you'd definitely better go to Moldova/Romania/Russia/Ukraine/Belarus/ect. Mongers with a bit of "game" still do very well with non-pros in EE (the huge difference with Brasil is that EE women have a very low opinion of their fellow countrymen), and the ratio of smockin beauties in those countries is statistically absurd. The number of really hot girls in places like Chisinau or Bucarest vs. Rio is probably roughly 20 to 1.
Personnaly since I've been in Romania and Moldova, I have NO desire to go back to Brasil. Women there are hotter (and wilder), cost of life much cheaper, nightlife better and non-pro potential bigger.
BTW all slavics are not pasty pale blonduskas and the variety of looks in EE is incredible. In Moldova, Romania, Bulgaria, southern Russia, ect, many girls have mediterranean looks, due to their tatar backgrounds. Browse the photo gallery of this club in Krasnodar, and you'll see what I mean.
http://www.nebesaclub.ru/foto/index.shtml
;)
Trippleecks
06-05-07, 13:14
Aibolit.... stay home pal. I think your requirements are too stringent.. If you think you can just waltz into Rio, choose any girl you like and take her home with you "WAKE UP"...... Most girls of the type you demand will not give a gringo the time of day..... Don't waist your time or money.... STAY HOME…..
.Thailand or Brasil
If you like nice, tall and curvey blood-mixed asian girls and if GFE is your priority, then Indonesia is the best destination in Asia.
If you don't mind a worn scene with zillions other mongers and ugly hoes who have had miles of cocks, then go to Thailand.
I won't elaborate about Brasil which is IMO one of the most over-rated destination in the world.
Jakartanese GFs. I've spent almost one month with the two girls - non pros - in black.
Yes, they will tell you that at first Then they tell you that you can do a cash advance against the card. However, the Citi ATM will give you and error and not allow this.
So when you call them, tell them you are in Brazil, that the CitiBank ATM will not allow cash advances and you want a temporary increase on the amount you can withdrawal. They might have to ask for a supervisor (I typically get an off-shore agent that does not speak english very well, and sometimes have to ask for a supervisor). Trust me, this can be done.
One other thing.. Saturday, Sunday and Monday all count as one day.. (or is it friday, saturday, sunday)..
I have personally done this a dozen times this year.
I went to citibank atm, and made 4 different transactions with my citibank card. Each transaction with a maximum of 1000 R. One withdrawl from savings, and 3 from checking. For whatever reason, it would not allow me to withdrawal any more from my savings, but no problems with the checking. The exchange was at 1.90 R So I know for a fact that one can take out more than 1000 R per day, and/or more than 1000.00 US per day at citibank. Granted, I did make a phone call prior to the trip to inform them of my plans. Plus, I am not sure, but I think it was to my benefit that I was using a citibank card. Don't know if it will work with other bank cards.
Almotu, no need to worry, the money is put away safely in a brasilian friends safe box. Thanks for the concern. Maybe I will bump into you in Medellin in July.
Today the rate went up to 1.93. So if I go to a termas or buy something of significant amount, I will use credit card in meantime to compensate for rising rate. Realistically, the rate willl drop again( I hope I am wrong).
Jaimito Cartero
06-05-07, 17:48
If you like nice, tall and curvey blood-mixed asian girls and if GFE is your priority, then Indonesia is the best destination in Asia.
Indonesia is horrible! I don't think anyone should go there, only old ugly ladies there. Polluted, horrible traffic, and hard to get to. Go to Thailand or the Philippines instead! So I can keep Indonesia to myself! :)
Indonesia is horrible! I don't think anyone should go there, only old ugly ladies there. Polluted, horrible traffic, and hard to get to. Go to Thailand or the Philippines instead! So I can keep Indonesia to myself! :)
ROFL. No you don´t. I want it too. I always manage to date non-pros, especially Bali. Love it.
El Austriaco
06-05-07, 18:25
How do the Thai girls compare with the Brasilians in terms of the quality of the service, the enthusiasm they put into the sex and the level of GFE/PSE ?
I'll try to answer your questions, Sprite, though as I mentioned in an earlier post (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=596847&postcount=1047), I have limited experience in Thailand (been there twice, for a total of 10 days), in particular very limited mongering experience. But here are my two cents, or two baht, if you prefer. You might also want to check out an earlier post by Lorenzo, who wrote up a very good side-by-side comparison of Bangkok and Rio (you can find a repost here: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=595165&postcount=1026).
In my experience, actual quality of sex in Thailand does not compare favorably with Brazil. Definitely less enthusiasm, and GFE/PSE is certainly less frequent.
Am I going to take a step down going to Thailand compared to Brasil when it comes to the quality of the girls and the quality of the services they provide?
Quality of the girls, of course, is a fairly complex concept. For me personally, that means looks, attitude, and chemistry. For other mongers, it might just be looks, nothing else. As I said earlier (link posted above), IMHO, Brasil beats Thailand hands down in terms of variety of looks. Of course, if you are totally into the Thai look and nothing else, Thailand is the place to go, and Brasil can't compete with it (how could it?). But if you like a variety of looks (from blonds to morenas to mulatas to black girls), Brasil is way better than Thailand. Hey, you might even find Asian-looking girls (nissei) in Sao Paulo, for example.
Quality of services, I already addressed.
How does Thailand compare with Brasil in terms of safety, cost, good beaches and the overall attitude of the locals vis-à-vis tourists?
Overall, Thailand is safer than Brasil and certainly cheaper, especially at the current Real/US dollar exchange rate. Both countries have fantastic beaches (away from the main cities). Overall attitude of the Thai towards tourists is very good: tourism is a major, major industry in Thailand, and it's not called the "Land of Smiles" for nothing.
Are hotels girl friendly there? How much on average should I expect to pay for a nice hotel (not 5 stars, a 3-4 * would do).
Hotels are definitely cheaper in Thailand, especially at the current exchange rate. Though I haven't been to Thailand in a while, the last time I was there (2001), I had no problem finding a very decent hotel in Bangkok for USD 20.00 single occupancy. And the hotel was GF, too, for an extra USD 10.00 for a girl to stay over.
What is the best time of the year to visit Thailand?
Anytime outside of the rainy season, during which it gets so hot and muggy that it's almost unbearable for most folks. Keep in mind, though, that even the rest of the year, it's hot and muggy, anyway... perhaps just barely bearable :)
Which city would you recommend to be my first to visit in Thailand for the sake of the hobby, safety, cost and proximity to a beautiful beach and tons of hot and sexy girls?
Pattaya would be first choice, Phuket second.
So far, the positive points about Thailand are: (please do not hesitate to correct me and or complete my info gathered so far in these forums).
Relatively inexpensive.
A totally new experience compared to South America as culturally speaking, it's an extremely rich country.
Nice and friendly people.
Seems fairly safe.
Negatives about Thailand:
Very long flight.
Quality of the girls at least in the pictures posted in here leave a lot to be desire specially to someone used and spoilt by Brasileiras.
I don't speak a word of Thai, as opposed to being almost fluent in Portuguese.
Your intel seems 100% correct to me. Communication IS a problem in Thailand as most regular people speak very limited (and fairly unintelligible) English, for sure, and Thai is a very difficult language to learn for Westerners. Portuguese is way easier.
Hope this helps!
EA
P.S.: On a final note, let me add that, IMHO, I have always enjoyed Indonesia more than Thailand (overall, not just in terms of P4P), so you might check it out. All the positives you mentioned about Thailand apply equally to Indonesia, and while the flight there is just as long as, or even longer than to Thailand, there is more variety of looks, and Bahasa Indonesia is much easier to learn than Thai. I know that Jaimito will hate me for saying that :)
I appreciate the comments regarding the impossibility of meeting a really gorgeous non-pros in Brazil, unless you are a young, good looking and rich Brazilian. I also agree with the opinion that perhaps in East Europe, where foreigners still cary some cache, the chances of scoring a stunning non-pro are higher than in Brazil. Fair enough. That leads me to a follow up question, though:
If we omit the non-pro criteria, but leave the desired looks (i.e. model-looking, young, slim, etc) - where can these be experienced for money? In other words, what are the best places to find gorgious and young pros and semi-pros in Belo Horizonte and Sao Paulo? Is the price for these ladies directly proportional to their looks, or are there bargains?
Again, many thanks for your willingness to help.
Aibolit
Member #4156
06-06-07, 03:23
This might be a little off topic but I wanted to remind everyone traveling here when using the internet cafés to remember to log off sites whenever you finish.
I just left the Tudo é Facil on Xavier e Bolivar in copacabana and was able to access Bizzie´s PMs when I logged into my own account (don´t know how that occured but it happened twice.)
Just a friendly reminder
I have to agree 100% with El Austriaco I have been in both countries and he is right on the money.
Tiger
Hello,
United will be adding a seasonal non stop flight from Wash. DC to RIO starting October.
Tiger
Pathway 888
06-07-07, 08:12
Hi,
I will be making my first trip to Rio in a few months and was looking for some advice. Since this will be my first time, I plan to be in Rio for about 2 weeks and want to check out as much as possible related to the ladies and where they hang out.
I've heard the name "termae" I think its spelled, I believe it related to either a disco or some type of late venue where the lovely ladies hang out, is that true??
How many places are there to pick up ladies and the names and locations would be helpful. Haven't figured out where I want to stay yet, any suggestions where to stay so I'm close to the action either by walking or a taxi or metro ride, any thoughts or suggestions?
So if anyone who has some experience in Rio can help a newbie out I would very much appreciate it. And if your in town when I'm there, I'll treat you to a beer or two. Thanks in advance.
Pathway 888
One girl I fucked from Meia Pataca (for R$110), told me about this place called Balcon by Hotel International, which I haven´t seen mentioned on the board often. Seemed to be quite active ~8pm last night with a lot of independents. More active than Meia Pataca. Does anyone know what the strip club next door is like?
You're talking about The Balcony bar, sure it is mentioned here often.
The boite next door I believe is The Holiday bar, used to be good over 20 years ago I pulled some stunners out of there but I think the same girls are still hanging out there, don't waste your time.
So if anyone who has some experience in Rio can help a newbie out I would very much appreciate it.
I'm sure many users of the forum will have the exact same response to your post that I do: RTFF! Then, after you've done your homework, you have some intelligent questions, then by all means ask. Users of this forum help each other out, but I think everyone is expected to put some effort into finding out some things for themselves rather than expecting others to put in valuable time and energy to do for them what they could easily do for themselves.
L
Thank you so much EA!!!As always, your replies are worth their weight in gold! I'll ask more questions as my trip gets closer!
Un gros merci EA!:)
El Austriaco
06-08-07, 18:53
Thank you so much EA!!!As always, your replies are worth their weight in gold! I'll ask more questions as my trip gets closer!
Un gros merci EA!:)
Thanks, Sprite. Anything I can do to help.
You know, there's one more element to consider when chosing between Thailand and Brazil, at least one that comes to my mind right now: food. And in a way, that's also in response to Lorenzo, who once asked me "So world-class Thai food alone wouldn't be worth a trip to Bangkok?"
Not for me.
Personally, while I recognize that the Thai cuisine is acclaimed worldwide for its exotic flavors and innovative ways of combining ingredients, I have never been a big fan of Thai food. Maybe it's just that I don't like the flavor of coconut milk. Maybe it's because I am not too much into spicy food, although I can handle it. In the US.
I remember the first time I went to Thailand (just spent three days there, coming back from Nepal). Sitting in an outdoors restaurant, I was really craving a salad, so when I found a "Papaya Salad" on the menu, I just said "Perfect!". In my excitement, however, I must have overlooked the chili pepper symbol next to it. Big mistake.
To cut a long story short, the meal was so incredibly spicy that after about three hours or so, I was finally able to talk again. During this entire time, I couldn't feel my tongue, my lips, half my face, actually. Drinking water didn't help, drinking milk fared a little bit better. Or eating cucumbers, or so I was told.
I don't know, this wasn't a culinary experience for me: this was torture. I fail to see the point of eating food so spicy that you can not taste anything anymore. Anything. And it's not that I don't like Asian food in general, not at all. If the rest of my life, I had to eat nothing more than Sushi, I'd be perfectly fine. I have always been a big fan of Dim Sum, for example, and I didn't have a problem in Nepal, Bhutan, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, either. Just in Thailand.
The last time I was in Thailand, I was traveling with an Australian tour group, and one of my fellow travelers was the biggest Thai food enthusiast of all, according to her own admission, proudly proclaiming that there simply wasn't any food too spicy for her, period. One day, in a restaurant in Southern Thailand, my buddy and myself, pranksters that we are, slipped the cook a few extra baht to add an additional "kick" to her meal. The girl, Caroline, took a few sips, and man, she just started convulsing. I mean, it looked like she was having a seizure, I am serious. For a while, we were seriously considering taking her to the hospital....
So if you have a Western palate like I do, it might be advisable to go easy on Thai food in Thailand. Personally, I won't even consider any local specialties any more, because ever time I tried them, I got burnt (literally and figuratively) to the point of trembling for hours...
So for my money, give me a Brazilian rodizio anytime. Also, as you certainly know, rodizios usually come with a huge salad bar, so even if someone is not into big slabs of meat (as I am), there's plenty of variety to chose from.
My two centavos,
EA
Dodger Bulldog
06-08-07, 19:17
Let me add one more wrinkle to the equation.
When debating new destinations last year for this summer's vacation, it came down to Thailand v. Brasil, based on the recommendations of my mongering buddies.
One thing that was clear to me is that if I chose to go to Thailand, all of my family, friends, and co-workers would assume I was on a sex vacation. That seems to be the only thing it is known for.
Whereas the question never came up when discussing Brasil.
Moreover, in the news about that time, John Mark Karr was arrested and deported from Thailand for his false confession in the JonBenet Ramsay case.
Now, I am sure that my elderly mother suspects that I travel the world to chase pussy. But I did not want her to worry that I might be into little girls.
This won't be an issue for everyone, but the reputation of the countries was certainly a factor for me.
Decision made: Brasil.
DB
.. and travel beyond the confins of mass prostitution.
What about Uzbekistan, Kazakstan, Moldova, Georgia, Mongolia, siberian or caucasius Russia, Turkministan, Albania, ect, ect ?
Go where the other don't and things are MUCH more enthralling, interesting and fun.
Why even bother leaving home if it's to travel like muttons with others zillions mongers and fucks hoes who have aleady had miles of cocks ?
Mr Enternational
06-08-07, 21:02
Wow, it's just the opposite where I am from. If I say Brazil then everybody assumes that there is going to be a lot of mongering going on. However if I say Thailand, the reaction is always, "What is in Thailand?"
One thing that was clear to me is that if I chose to go to Thailand, all of my family, friends, and co-workers would assume I was on a sex vacation. That seems to be the only thing it is known for.
Whereas the question never came up when discussing Brasil.
DB
Dodger Bulldog
06-08-07, 22:33
Wow, it's just the opposite where I am from. If I say Brazil then everybody assumes that there is going to be a lot of mongering going on. However if I say Thailand, the reaction is always, "What is in Thailand?"It may be because I have an uncle who was a lifer in the Air Force. He made sure we all knew what he had seen when he went on R&R in Thailand.
After a visit to Thailand in the 70's he accurately predicted back then that someday there would be a venereal disease that would kill people.
So I remember my mother making nasty comments whenever Miss Thailand would walk across the stage at the Miss Universe pageant. "She might clean up nice, but you know how dirty those Thai women really are."
DB
RioFavelaboy
06-08-07, 23:21
.. and travel beyond the confins of mass prostitution.
What about Uzbekistan, Kazakstan, Moldova, Georgia, Mongolia, siberian or caucasius Russia, Turkministan, Albania, ect, ect ?
Go where the other don't and things are MUCH more enthralling, interesting and fun.
Why even bother leaving home if it's to travel like muttons with others zillions mongers and fucks hoes who have aleady had miles of cocks ?OK OK OK! I have to take a deep breath and exhale! MAN Prosal for the last couple of weeks I've been reading your post and can respect alot of your opinions.
I'm now convinced that the Europe is where (YOU!) prefer to monger and mind you if thats your taste so be it!
I understand your ideology too, you sound like you want all of us hobby mongers to venture and take the challenge! Hey thats ok for you though, but I can no longer sit back and let you cast Brasil and Thailand out of the mongering circle!
Mongering isn't rocket science but to some of us it is a sport, the best way I can put it Prosal is that in U.S. Baseball you have two leagues the American league and the national league. Some people prefer the national league over the American league and would never go into an American league ballpark unless it was for the World series!
Now Me I'm (American League) for the sake of this post, it consist of Brasil, Dominican and Thailand I love these 3 places I love to monger and yes in that order I will not venture any where else and not because the fishing is easy but because this is my personal taste in women and weather, Brasil gives me the most variety for my mongering money and in (MY OPINION) the majority of the GDP's there don't just take your money and and run they aim to please and earn this money and yet tend to Enjoy the sex with you, again thats (MY OPINION)! I prefer girls of all different colors too again Brazil and Dominican I'll get that and in Thailand I get one type of girl but if I'm picky enough I'll find one with the type of bunda I like and oh yes lets not forget this is the best place to make your money go far.
Now You Prosal are the National league! You seem to have gotten a dislike for the American league for some reason, so I think it's all to do with your Taste, but see in (MY OPINION) at one time you were an American league and National league fan which is (Basically Country's In Europe) for this post.
These ball parks are where you dwell and for whatever reason but this is what you like, it may be the cold weather, Ivory Skin the women predominantly have there unless you find a foreign girl of color who works in a brothel from another mongering country, you might like smaller bundas, you might even like the rate of the Euro, or you might have had a bad experience in a American league ball park?
For whatever reason you are a National league player and I'm not mad at you for that, but Prosal your posts sometime tend to come across as if you are trying to tell us all that mongering in Brazil is the worst thing going right now, I'm not bashing you I just want you to understand not all of us share your beliefs about your mongering habits, I think that your posts sometimes come across a little strong with your suggestions and comments you seem to bash Brasil.
Prosal just remember most of just try to offer advise and experience on this forum and I welcome yours just like anyone else, I also think that maybe it might be a good Idea to post on European forums this is a Brazil forum dude and we tend to love Brazil here and from what I've seen of your post lately you are a little anti Brazil!
Oh yes and before you say it I do know that a couple of the countries you listed aren't in Europe it's just that the majority of them are.
El Austriaco
06-09-07, 00:35
You can bet on one thing: if you did a survey in Europe asking people which country they MOST associate with sex tourism, the outcome would be very clear: Thailand, Thailand, Thailand. I doubt most people could name a single other sex tourism destination. The few who could would probably say Dominican Republic or Cuba. Very few people would even think about Brazil.
EA
And in a way, that's also in response to Lorenzo, who once asked me "So world-class Thai food alone wouldn't be worth a trip to Bangkok?"
Not for me.
EA
Actually, I asked that question in jest, which is sometimes hard to convey in print, assuming that your and everyone's answer would be "no." So is mine. It might be worth a trip to Bangkok to experience Thai food if that were the only place you could get it, but now there are good Thai restaurants all over the USA, even is smaller cities, and I imagine that is true in other countries as well. Brazilian food, on the other hand, is relatively hard to find outside of Brazil. I used to live in Los Angeles and there were 2 Brazilian restaurants there, and I assume they exist in other large cities as well. But I have retired to a smaller, much more provincial (and cheaper) city, and Brazilian food is nowhere to be found. So, since I love Brazilian food, the cuisine is just another thing that makes Rio an attractive destination.
L
.. and travel beyond the confins of mass prostitution.
What about Uzbekistan, Kazakstan, Moldova, Georgia, Mongolia, siberian or caucasius Russia, Turkministan, Albania, ect, ect ?
Go where the other don't and things are MUCH more enthralling, interesting and fun.
Why even bother leaving home if it's to travel like muttons with others zillions mongers and fucks hoes who have aleady had miles of cocks ?
Your point is well taken, except for one thing: in places like Rio and Bangkok, getting laid is a certainty. In the other places you mentioned, it isn't, for a variety of reasons I don't want to get into here. I would modify your statement and limit it to Latin America. Here I know whereof I speak, since I have been to (and mongered in) every country in Latin America except Dominican Republic. So I can state this with absolute certainty: you can go to any national capital in Latin America (except Tegucigalpa, which has been infested with loathsome missionaries, or La Paz, where all the women are ugly) and not only be certain of getting laid but also certain of having a first rate sexual experience with a beautiful woman, at a cost much less that Rio. So why not be adventurous and try out El Salvador, Ecuador, Paraguay, even Uruguay? BTW, wherever you go a pro will still have had "miles of cocks."
Lorenzo
I would modify your statement and limit it to Latin America.
You're totally right.
I do entertain the notion that there's somewhere some Lost El Dorados where the ratio of male western tourists to attractive and available young women is 1 to 100 and where loads of non-pro beauties throw themselves at your feet as soon as you show up, moaning how much they love you and begging you to fuck them. I listed as examples some of the untouched places that I know being close or that I imagine being those El Dorados, but it's just me. Mileage may vary.
For some people, it could be Para, Goias, Rondonia or Maranhao, for others provincial Venezuela, under-visited colombian states like Santander, Caldas or Risaralda, argentinian provincial cities like Rosario and Cordoba, Guyana or as you said, El Salvador, Ecuador or Paraguay .... for asiaphiles it will maybe be Rangoon, Cebu, Surabaya, Bandung, Chongging, Ulan Bator, for amateurs of blood-mixed african beauties Madagascar or Cap Verde, ect.
Anyhow to come back to my point, if those "Lost El Dorados of the Gold Pussy" exist - and they do - they are definitely beyond the mass prostitution meccas like Copacabana or Upper Sukhumvit (or German FKKs, TJ, Prague, Boca Chica, AC, Pattaya, ect).
Personnaly I am convinced that mines are somewhere in the Stans, maybe Almaty or Tashkent, in deep siberian Russia or in eastern Balkans.
Yet as usual, to each his own.
Paz e Amor.
:)
in U.S. Baseball you have two leagues the American league and the national league. Some people prefer the national league over the American league and would never go into an American league ballpark unless it was for the World series!.
In the civilized world we're not very aware of the rules of this ... "sport".
I also think that maybe it might be a good Idea to post on European forums this is a Brazil forum dude and we tend to love Brazil here .
You're right, I should learn a bit about brasilian culture before bashing. I don't even know nothing about "frankie carioca", go figure !!
;)
Mongering isn't rocket science but to some of us it is a sport, the best way I can put it Prosal is that in U.S. Baseball you have two leagues the American league and the national league. Some people prefer the national league over the American league and would never go into an American league ballpark unless it was for the World series!
Me, I love to be the designated hitter :). (For all of you who don't know baseball from cricket: the designated hitter only plays offense in place of the pitcher; so he has no defensive responsibilities. The only task of the designated hitter is to get his bat on the pussie ;) ... ahh, I mean ball.)
It's all good, play whereever you like.
euro
Dodger Bulldog
06-09-07, 17:54
After having had not one but TWO girls from Belarus that totally rocked my world at clubs in Barcelona, I was determined to investigate a trip to the Minsk, convinced it must be the Land of Milk and Honey.
What I found is that the tourist infrastructure to such an outpost basically doesn't exist.
It didn't matter whether I attempted to get there by plane, train, or automobile, the route was going to be long, convulated and very expensive.
Once there the accomodations appeared to be sparse, and in reading the boards I learned that the results were less than certain.
Throw in the challenge of not only dealing with a new language, but also an alphabet that was totally foreign to me. I would have to embark on a course of self-study back home for an undeteremined length of time in order to so much as even be able to read a road sign.
If I had the luxury of some who can travel for months and immerse myself into the local culture I believe it would be quite an experience. But for those of us with limited time and resources for any particular mongering vacation, I calculated that the costs in money and effort were just too much in relation to the uncertain returns.
I still have the itch to go, so if I can befriend a monger experienced in that part of the world who is willing to be my tour guide I will not hesitate to visit.
In the meantime, I will travel to destinations that have proven themselves over time to provide a high level of satisfaction to our community of hobbyists.
DB
Mr Enternational
06-10-07, 02:46
Damn a pissing match of where the best, most, purest, juiciest, pinkest, or least mileage pussy is. We can't fuck them all. We can't even fuck half of them. Hell we can't fuck but one at a time. So if a city is composed of 100 pros and 100 nonpros it should do us all well. That way we can get the variety that we want in all categories of the Pro League and Nonpro League; light, dark, thin, thick, big ass, no ass, big tits, no tits, long hair, short hair. Volume ain't hittin on shit. Like Richard Pryor said, "There are only two pieces of pussy that matter; your first and your last." All that in between was just the pussy you had while you were waiting for your last piece of pussy.
RioFavelaboy
06-10-07, 06:59
Damn a pissing match of where the best, most, purest, juiciest, pinkest, or least mileage pussy is. We can't fuck them all. We can't even fuck half of them. Hell we can't fuck but one at a time. So if a city is composed of 100 pros and 100 nonpros it should do us all well. That way we can get the variety that we want in all categories of the Pro League and Nonpro League; light, dark, thin, thick, big ass, no ass, big tits, no tits, long hair, short hair. Volume ain't hittin on shit. Like Richard Pryor said, "There are only two pieces of pussy that matter; your first and your last." All that in between was just the pussy you had while you were waiting for your last piece of pussy.Mr. E Well said and my boy Prosal took it personal and I explained to the fellow monger in the post I wasn't mad at him, just that I thought he preferred mongering in Europe and he was bashing the land of Milk and Honey quite a bit, but you are correct my brother! We can't fuck all so let's fuck the ones we can no matter where they are!
Damn a pissing match of where the best, most, purest, juiciest, pinkest, or least mileage pussy is. We can't fuck them all. We can't even fuck half of them. Hell we can't fuck but one at a time. So if a city is composed of 100 pros and 100 nonpros it should do us all well. That way we can get the variety that we want in all categories of the Pro League and Nonpro League; light, dark, thin, thick, big ass, no ass, big tits, no tits, long hair, short hair. Volume ain't hittin on shit. Like Richard Pryor said, "There are only two pieces of pussy that matter; your first and your last." All that in between was just the pussy you had while you were waiting for your last piece of pussy.
ROFL! Many words of wisdom here!
I followed some of the Thailand vs Brasil debate and struggled to find any point in it. but I suppose for someone who has never been to either it has some information value.
Here´s my two bhats/centavos worth -
P4P: not a lot to chose from. It is like apples and oranges. Both are major mongering destinations. Both have their attractions. You do one for a few years, feel a bit jaded maybe, then go onto the other (or another). Most first timers will start out at either Bangkok or Rio, so most of this report focuses on those. Everyone has their personal experiences and preferences. I have personally found Thai women more empathetic and better company for side trips to nice destinations. You have to be aware of katoys (trannies) in Thailand – they extol world class surgery. But the p4p scene (and freebie scene for that matter) is great in both countries. So I would suggest you make your choice on other criteria. If you are living a full life in either of these countries, it will enhance (IMO) your pussy chomping activities and make them more enjoyable.
Language: Portuguese is easier to learn – it has a familiar alphabet for starters. But Thais are expert at communicating wordlessly and find mistakes hilarious (in a nice way – they laugh with you, not at you).
Dance and culture: Western culture is a bit sparse in Thailand. Like Brasil, it has excellent cinema (and much trash) but you can’t understand it. Brasil shows mainstream western films everywhere with English soundtrack. Major towns like Rio host a reasonably good standard of opera, ballet and theatre (though nothing approaching that of Argentina). In Brasil, it is socially acceptable to talk during a performance so you have to put up with that. Both countries have world class dance. For Brasil, try to get to a rehearsal party for one of the Samba schools, or watch locals dancing Forro. Or for photos outside of carnaval, go to a show at Samba City just northwest of downtown Rio. For BKK, get a meal at the Oriental in the restaurant across the river and watch the classical dance re-enacting tales from the Mahabarata. Or go to watch the religious dance festivities. It is possible (and expedient) to learn forro and even samba. Forro gives you crotch-grinding intimacy with perfect strangers in a socially acceptable way. Don’t even think about trying to learn Thai dancing!
Food:
Someone wrote there is no comparison, that one wins hands down. I agree. Except he got the wrong one <g>. Now of course, personal preference is everything – I can’t say you don’t know what you like – but, in terms of world fine cuisine, Thailand is rightly regarded as one of the world leaders whereas Brasil struggles to get on the map. This is not to say there isn’t lots of enjoyable food in Brasil. My favourites are the street-vendors wares, the churros/rechados, the steak cooked in front of you, or the black bean stew that makes up the national dish. The great abundance of exotic fruit. Kilogramas are a great experience. But none of this is really top flight cuisine. Even the good restaurants like Marius or Tia Palmira leave much room for criticism IMO. The presentation and overall experience is awesome (especially at the price), but seafood is often overcooked, food has too much salt added, food is kept warm far longer than it should be (it shouldn’t be ´kept warm´ at all!) Thailand on the other hand has many generations of refinement and the top chefs can compete on a world stage. The food lacks the thick sauces that cover so many sins in Indian and Chinese cooking and is very healthy. It is invariably fresh, and they know how to make the best of the finest ingredients. To the previous poster: the chili symbols are there cos many visitors make the same mistake. Thai food (including salads) normally contains quite a bit of Thai chillies (which are also hotter than those from elsewhere). Chillies and other some other spices are an acclimatization thing. Meaning if you eat spicy food regularly (as Thais do) then your body gets accustomed to it and you can still taste the other individual flavours easily. First time visitors should always ask for ´not too spicy´ when ordering. One final note though – if you are from the USA, Brasilian food is much more recognizable, and often shares the simple-food-in-abundance quality that is characteristic of much US cooking.
Weather and beaches:
Why stay in Copa? Apart from anything else, it is close to a good beach. BKK doesn’t have beaches. You need to get the bus to Pattaya or somewhere, a train up the peninsular, or a short flight to one of the islands. My favourite Thai beaches are those on Koh Samui (opposite Ko Pan Yang). Thailand has monsoons. Brasil doesn’t – the weather is fine with occasional downpours all year round.
Photography:
Take some pics back home to explain what you have been up to. Although Rio is one of the most beautiful cities in the world, it can be hard to photograph, especially without nominal special equipment such as a wide angle lens and something for night photography. Add to that that many god photos will be in places where you should not get a camera out if you have any sense. Best pics are sunsets from Sugar Loaf. Or samba in carnaval headdresses. But samba doesn’t capture well on stills: Thai classical dancing does (think all those fingers that curl backwards). BKK is a photographer’s paradise. Even the lighting tends to be optimum. And you can get stuff in frame easily, from temples (the most stunning in the world) to floating markets.
Religion:
Thai has a simple form of Buddhism, which is non-invasive (not shoved down your throat and non-political) and beautiful to observe. Catch some saffron-robed monks as they walk through the debris of Pattaya in the early morning and you could be forgiven for thinking they have beamed down from Starship Enterprise. Brasil, like the USA, is dominated by various forms of Christianity, which is much less appealing IMO unless you are of that faith. Do try to catch a Condomble ceremony in Brasil though. This is a beautiful religion (stamped on as much as possible by the Roam Catholic Church). It has no agenda and accepts all beliefs.
Access to other destinations:
Thailand wins – you can fly or travel overland to many other lovely mongering countries. Travel in Brasil alone is harder (poor infrastructure and the country is enormous to get out of).
Crime and safety: Thailand wins – you don’t really have to worry about your person or belongings too much generally. Certainly not as much as in Rio. But in Rio you just adapt to the way of life to be safe. Long live both wonderful countries (and neither of them constantly try to f*ck up other countries – something that makes me so ashamed to be visiting from the West.)
Ken_Apples
06-10-07, 23:39
This is not really a brazilian thing, but if you run into a Belarus girl in Brazil or elsewhere, give it a go. Just like Dodger Bulldog says, it´s something special.
I have tried one myself, and had the same experience - to make a board connection: make a crossover of a brazilian gf experience with a good thai service attitude and you have a Belarus girl.
Best place to spot them would be eastern parts of europe, but who knows, one might show up under a coconut palm close to you to - It's a small world :)
Best regards / Ken Apples
if you run into a Belarus girl in Brazil or elsewhere, give it a go.
Beware.
Once you go slavic you never come back .
:)
Dodger Bulldog
06-11-07, 21:45
I have tried one myself, and had the same experience - to make a broad connection: make a crossover of a brazilian gf experience with a good thai service attitude and you have a Belarus girl.And you didn't even mention the best part of all: Their Perfect Looks!
DB
Beware.
Once you go slavic you never come back .
:)
I quote Prosal that know very well the east europe as me.
When I was in Brazil in 2003, after travelling and mongering a lot in slavic countries, I immediately noticed that Brazil to be perfect miss only russian girl!
Maybe it is only me, however the beauty and the perfect body of russian girls are difficult to get in Brazil.
Do not trust me, simply check russia photo gallery and brazil photo gallery and you will see immediately the difference.
Yes also many brazilians have nice body, but the model face of russians very seldom you can find in brazil.
Funny that when I was in Recife, I was almost the only one monger, between the mongers found there, who everyday complained about the poor quality of the girls....some nights I went to sleep alone, not cause I was gay ;) but cause after many years in east europe, you get used to such top quality that often a nice girl seems to you just ugly one!
However I loved the kind of life in Brazil, the food, the ocean too and even if, maybe was my mistake to choose Recife instead Rio, I am not so sure that in Rio I could be totally satisfied for service and beauty as I was everytime in FSU countries.
Dodger Bulldog, dear friend, as first try, maybe Minsk is too much rural, but I hope sometimes we will be able to meet in Saint Pitersburg, it is enough traveled and the slavics in Piter are.....more than words can describe!
p.s. not to mention...besides the beauty, the top quality of bbbj who offers 99% of russian girls....
If only the ocean could touch the Russia too... :)
To keep your TIM chip active, do you need to use it every 3 months or add units to it every 3 months or something else?
Hello gents,
Quick question about my gsm Nokia phone. I use it in Argentina all the time but I am not sure if it will work in Rio. I am using the MOVISTAR sim card when I am in be. A. On my last Rio visit I was borrowing someone elses cell phone and they had a oi sim card in it. Everyday I was buying a 20r phone card to load it. I only was able to make a 2 or 3 phone calls on each 20r card. First question in Rio are all phone co. Expensive or is it just oi? . Last question which co. Will be the best one to buy the sim card from and the best store in coba?
Thanks so much.
Tiger
RioFavelaboy
06-12-07, 01:38
To keep your TIM chip active, do you need to use it every 3 months or add units to it every 3 months or something else? That pretty much true that it must be used about every 3-4 months I've had the same one for 2 1/2 years I get there every 3 months or so and as soon as I put minutes on it they tell you over the phone when it will be cancelled, I noticed that the more minutes you put on it the longer the tim stays alive. Hope that helped you BENJOE!
El Austriaco
06-12-07, 02:08
Could somebody please post a detailed, comparative report covering Brazil and, say, any of the adult wonderlands you guys are promoting here? That at least would be of some value, lend credence to your statements, and help out fellow Brazil mongers who are inclined to believe you and try your personal dream destinations.
Because if it's only about how great Belarus, Ukrainian, Romanian, and Moldavian girls are, then I am somewhat at a loss as to how this fits into the "Brazil - General Info" section.
IMHO.
EA
Because if it's only about how great Belarus, Ukrainian, Romanian, and Moldavian girls are, then I am somewhat at a loss as to how this fits into the "Brazil - General Info" section.
IMHO.
EA
You're right, these posts don't really belong here. On the other hand, I can't think of where they really do belong, so I'll post here as well.
When I saw a few posts promoting a few places in Eastern Europe and Central Asia, most of them formerly part of the USSR, I became curious as to how many mongers have posted in the various threads on the forums of these countries. So I did a little research and totaled up the number of posts in the various threads of these countries so that I could contrast them with such popular mongering destinations as Brazil and Thailand (okay, okay, I have too much time on my hands, but it really only took a few minutes). I excluded posts in Trip Plans & Announcements, Reports of Distinction (because they are duplicates), and Classified. I also excluded threats where a poster had been exiled to his own thread, such as KOS and Nibu Raphael. So here is what I came up with as to the total number of posts in all the combined threads of all the countries that have been recently mentioned:
Belarus-312; Ukraine-5482; Romania-1736; Moldova-1887; Uzbekistan-83; Kazakhstan-125; Georgia-100; Turkmenistan-16; Albania-17.
By contrast Brazil has a total of 24298 posts and Thailand 47558! (Note that these numbers don't includes archived reports.)
Now what does all this prove? Nothing, absolutely nothing, but I think a few inferences can be drawn:
--Thailand probably has one of the world's best tourist infrastructures for mongers. Brazil's is pretty good too, but not good enough to bring as many mongers to it as Thailand does. (Even this may not be true, because many mongers may not post on this forum, or anywhere else for that matter.)
--By contrast, the countries whose posts number in the double and single digits either lack a tourist infrastructure or lack a way of publicizing themselves enough to make mongers want to go there--probably a combination of both.
--Since many posters (myself included) are turned off by the recent spike in the dollar-real exchange rate, this paucity of reports from places that have been highly touted may give us some clues as to alternative mongering destinations, should we want to brave a venture into the unknown.
Actually, I have been to one of these countries, Turkmenistan, and can verify that pussy is available, usually Russian girls in the bars of the major hotels, but none of it appeared to be of exceptional quality (I opted not to partake). Turkmenistan is a Muslim country, as are many of these former Soviet countries, so what I saw there is likely to be duplicated in the other predominantly Muslim countries: what pussy there is will most likely be Russian. So if you're going to fuck Russian women, why not go to Russia or Ukraine, where there are likely to be many more amenities? For those genuinely interested in going to some of these obscure former Soviet republics, Mir Corporation offers what appear to be excellent yet quite pricey tours. Their website is www.mircorp.com. They offer a "Five 'Stans" tour that I am thinking about taking next year. They also go to Belarus. There is also a company called Advantage Travel & Tours that advertises in International Travel News, and they offer a "5 'Stans & Iran" tour. Unfortunately, they don't have a website, but they have a toll free phone number and an e-mail address. PM me if you want either.
Please excuse this lengthy and rambling post, but I think it serves a somewhat useful purpose in that several mongers have been seeking alternative mongering destinations, so this might provide the seeds for future adventures.
Lorenzo
El Austriaco
06-12-07, 05:52
You're right, these posts don't really belong here. On the other hand, I can't think of where they really do belong, so I'll post here as well.
No problem, Lorenzo. I guess "Opinions - What Country has the Best Women for STR/LTR?" would be a good place for it, IMHO.
But anyhow. As I said, what I am really looking forward to is a comparative report along the lines of what you did (Bangkok vs. Rio) or what I posted (Rio vs. Cartagena/Barranquilla). A report which goes way beyond "Belarussian girls are prettier than Brazilian ones", but addresses a variety of travel and mongering-related issues, e.g.
1) Cost, availability, and ease of P4P: 24/7 point-and-click action or major hassle?
2) Variety of looks/overall looks of P4P providers.
3) Variety of P4P for different mongering styles (top-notch to mid-range to budget to bottom-of-the-barrel).
4) Quality of sexual services/likelihood of GFEs/PSEs. Availability of DFK, BBBJ, CFS, anal, CIM.
5) Legal aspects of mongering: legal or illegal, forced prostitution, pimping, debt bondage, mafia ties? Dealing with the police in case of need. Trouble-shooting.
6) General mongering-related issues: cost and travel time from Europe/US/Australia, girlfriendliness of hotels, availability, cost, and ease of love motels.
7) Non-pros.
8) Communication-related issues: likelihood of English speakers, necessity and ease of learning the local language.
9) General travel-related issues: cost and quality of hotels, taxis, food. Reliability and risks of public transportation, travel agencies, etc. Ease of independent travel vs. organized travel.
10) Safety-related issues: public safety in general, safety for mongers in particular, crime, common scams.
11) Prevalence of AIDS or other STDs.
12) Political climate/religious issues: attitudes towards foreigners, mongering, and especially foreign mongers.
13) General tourism/cultural issues: things to do other than P4P, sightseeing, attractiveness of the cities, excursions, cultural events, weather, seasons, miscellaneous stuff.
I mean, if Prosal prefers Moldavian chicks, that's fine, but it doesn't mean anything to me (or most other mongers, I suppose) in terms of considering to take a trip there unless I get solid information to most of the above issues (especially prices!!!!). Just saying "They are hotter" is not gonna cut it for me.
I am always interested in exploring alternative destinations, definitely, and I think I have done more than my share comparing destinations when I know several places. I am also a big fan of getting of the beaten track, so if there's something relatively unspoilt out there, I am definitely game. Prosal, Lukasek, Ken Apples, please post those details as compared to Brazil, in your respective opinions, of course. Personally, I would enjoy it, and I believe we could all benefit from it and make a truly educated decision.
EA
RioFavelaboy
06-12-07, 06:37
No problem, Lorenzo. As I said, what I am really looking forward to is a comparative report along the lines of what you did (Bangkok vs. Rio) or what I posted (Rio vs. Cartagena/Barranquilla). A report which goes way beyond "Belarussian girls are prettier than Brazilian ones", but addresses a variety of travel and mongering-related issues, e.g.
1) Cost, availability, and ease of P4P: 24/7 point-and-click action or major hassle?
2) Variety of looks/overall looks of P4P providers.
3) Variety of P4P for different mongering styles (top-notch to mid-range to budget to bottom-of-the-barrel).
4) Quality of sexual services/likelihood of GFEs/PSEs. Availability of DFK, BBBJ, CFS, anal, CIM.
5) Legal aspects of mongering: legal or illegal, forced prostitution, pimping, debt bondage, mafia ties? Dealing with the police in case of need. Trouble-shooting.
6) General mongering-related issues: cost and travel time from Europe/US/Australia, girlfriendliness of hotels, availability, cost, and ease of love motels.
7) Non-pros.
8) Communication-related issues: likelihood of English speakers, necessity and ease of learning the local language.
9) General travel-related issues: cost and quality of hotels, taxis, food. Reliability and risks of public transportation, travel agencies, etc. Ease of independent travel vs. organized travel.
10) Safety-related issues: public safety in general, safety for mongers in particular, crime, common scams.
11) Prevalence of AIDS or other STDs.
12) Political climate/religious issues: attitudes towards foreigners, mongering, and especially foreign mongers.
13) General tourism/cultural issues: things to do other than P4P, sightseeing, attractiveness of the cities, excursions, cultural events, weather, seasons, miscellaneous stuff.
I mean, if Prosal prefers Moldavian chicks, that's fine, but it doesn't mean anything to me (or most other mongers, I suppose) in terms of considering to take a trip there unless I get solid information to most of the above issues (especially prices!!!!). Just saying "They are hotter" is not gonna cut it for me.
I am always interested in exploring alternative destinations, definitely, and I think I have done more than my share comparing destinations when I know several places. I am also a big fan of getting of the beaten track, so if there's something relatively unspoilt out there, I am definitely game. Prosal, Lukasek, Ken Apples, please post those details as compared to Brazil, in your respective opinions, of course. Personally, I would enjoy it, and we could all benefit from it.
EAMy fellow Monger EL you are the man! Damn man thats all I was saying to Prosal all along, this is a Gen Info forum for Brazil Mongers and his post just didn't belong here!
Like you said, You are not bashing the guy about where he mongers but to talk about how much hotter this GDP'S are in his Chosen mongering countries than the GDP's are in Brazil, just doesn't belong on this forum where we Brazil mongers dwell!
Damn I love Brazil!
Hello gents,
Quick question about my gsm Nokia phone. I use it in Argentina all the time but I am not sure if it will work in Rio. I am using the MOVISTAR sim card when I am in be. A. On my last Rio visit I was borrowing someone elses cell phone and they had a oi sim card in it. Everyday I was buying a 20r phone card to load it. I only was able to make a 2 or 3 phone calls on each 20r card. First question in Rio are all phone co. Expensive or is it just oi? . Last question which co. Will be the best one to buy the sim card from and the best store in coba?
Thanks so much.
Tiger
In Copacabana along Nossa Senhora Copacabana (close to Santa Clara), there are 2 or 3 cell phone company stores (TIM, Claro, Oi) that can sell you a chip (about 20R) and additional time (whatever amount). The employee will do all the stuff to activate the phone number for you, as well. You will need to bring your passport. You can also buy a card for additional time at one of the corner newsstands, called a banco do jornal. As to the cost of making a call, a real will buy you roughly one minute of call time. It sounds like either you were making calls that totaled 20 minutres or your friend's cell phone originated somewhere else (e.g. Sao Paulo) and the cost of the call may have doubled. The rates of all the companies are about the same.
http://sev.prnewswire.com/travel/20070611/NYM03611062007-1.html
Thanks Benjoe for the details.
Now I know what to do when i go back to RIO.
Tiger
In Copacabana along Nossa Senhora Copacabana (close to Santa Clara), there are 2 or 3 cell phone company stores (TIM, Claro, Oi) that can sell you a chip (about 20R) and additional time (whatever amount). The employee will do all the stuff to activate the phone number for you, as well. You will need to bring your passport. You can also buy a card for additional time at one of the corner newsstands, called a banco do jornal. As to the cost of making a call, a real will buy you roughly one minute of call time. It sounds like either you were making calls that totaled 20 minutres or your friend's cell phone originated somewhere else (e.g. Sao Paulo) and the cost of the call may have doubled. The rates of all the companies are about the same.
1) Cost, availability, and ease of P4P: 24/7 point-and-click action or major hassle?
2) Variety of looks/overall looks of P4P providers.
3) Variety of P4P for different mongering styles (top-notch to mid-range to budget to bottom-of-the-barrel).
4) Quality of sexual services/likelihood of GFEs/PSEs. Availability of DFK, BBBJ, CFS, anal, CIM.
5) Legal aspects of mongering: legal or illegal, forced prostitution, pimping, debt bondage, mafia ties? Dealing with the police in case of need. Trouble-shooting.
No developed to non-existant sex industry. Some mediocre pros in the bars. An handful of lousy strip clubs.
6) General mongering-related issues: cost and travel time from Europe/US/Australia.
Expensive flights. Very few companies fly there.
7) Non-pros..
I can’t think of anyplace that is easier to pull beautiful women at, save Russia, Romania, Stans and perhaps Colombia.
8) Communication-related issues: likelihood of English speakers, necessity and ease of learning the local language...
Few english speakers.
9) General travel-related issues: cost and quality of hotels, taxis, food. Reliability and risks of public transportation, travel agencies, etc. Ease of independent travel vs. organized travel....
Virtually no tourist infrastructure. Expensive hotels or cheap soviet-style apartments rental (my personnal choice). Food just passable. Ridiculously low cost of life
10) Safety-related issues: public safety in general, safety for mongers in particular, crime, common scams.....
Risks to be beaten by jealous BFs, drunken skinheads or low-life criminals. In provincial Moldova, chances to be racketed or even kidnapped by local mafias. Extremely corrupted police, quite a hassle.
12) Political climate/religious issues: attitudes towards foreigners, mongering, and especially foreign mongers.
Risks of confrontations with local thugs who hate when foreigners come to steal their prime women.
13) General tourism/cultural issues: things to do other than P4P, sightseeing, attractiveness of the cities, excursions, cultural events, weather, seasons, miscellaneous stuff..
Absolutly nothing. It's Europe's shithole. Soviet commieblocks, decaying buildings, filthy streets, potholes full of muddy water, stench of diesel fumes, ect. Winters are rough : minus 10° in January means a strange wave of heat.
Hope this help.
El Austriaco
06-12-07, 17:18
I am dialing my travel agent right NOW :)
Seriously speaking, I might go there later this year or early next year, just to check it out. Been to Romania once before, but didn't have any time to dedicate to the ladies (I was on a humanitarian mission delivering Western goods to an orphanage in Northern Romania, just a bit south of Temesvar).
Thanks again.
EA
Then let's keep in touch.
I plan an extended stay in Chisinau (at least 6 weeks) next winter.
I agree with Lorenzo that by number of reports, Brazil and Thailand wins, no doubt about that!
But for me, the look and the beauty of girls is very important!
El Austriaco I try to answer you, here my humble opinion.
Thailand is the best mongering scene, but if you do not like how the thai girls look, so it worth it? Yes you can have pros from everywhere in every minute of the day, but for me it is not the point to get one wet hole where to put inside my third leg, it is important how she look like too.
I never tried asian girl and even if maybe one time I will go there for curiosity, actually for me thai doesn't worth it.
Brazil is the second mongering state, but when I went there I was really disappointed by the poor quality of the look of the girls.
In Recife I went often to shopping Recife, that was a big shopping center and there you very seldom see good looking girl, but go to one shopping center in Russia and you will notice the difference...
I do not judge nobody, all I write is obviously IMHO!
Maybe my "mistake" was that the first times I paid for sex was with girls from FSU I can get in the city where I live, so I get used soon to such beautiful girls, but even now, when I look in Brazil, Thailand and Russia-Ukraina photo gallery I have no doubt that for "my taste" girls from FSU are the BEST looking girls in the world!
When I wrote some pm and mail as well with DB, I was impressed by the beauty of colombians girls too, but they are for me in the second place, even if I will be happy "to test" some of them too.
Generally I agree with Prosal's last report, you have to work much more to get into east europe and maybe in some ways you will enjoy yourself little less, if for you it is important to sit down at the beach in front of the ocean with hot weather with tons of average looking girls ready to go to bedroom with you for little money.
Surely for the price of one pro in Moscow you can have 10 brazilian girls and in moscow you are under snow for many months every year, but how do look like a pro in moscow in comparison of a pro in Brazil?
Probably it is a matter of taste, but I will not go to travel till the other part of the world to get average girls when I live couple of hours far from Russia.
And when I miss the sea, better to go Spain, as I will do, where in brothels you can find brazilian girls too.
Then maybe it is a matter of facilities, travelling to Russia and to east europe it is not for everybody, surely not for lazy people or for people who do not like the adventures.
Safety: I think that besides Thai, Brazil is much more dangerous than Russia or east europe...
I think Prosal wrote only about Moldovia, but in the other countries the pro scene is not that bad. Yes you have to work a little, but it is what make your travel unique, I am not lazy to call a taxi and to ask him with my basic russian where I can find girls for sex,for example.
Level of testosterone: Here Brazil wins, cause you see everywhere girls almost naked in their so small bikini, so you are always horny and you end to fuck average looking girls and be happy. Very hard to see in Russia everyday tons of girls in bikini and I am happy about it...or I will burn my bank account in a while :)
The photo of Prosal, thanks!, shows very well what you can expect travelling in winter to FSU, but for me the snow is not a problem and I enjoy to go back 20-30 years ago living in old soviet flat.
Get boring: sometimes if you stay in one city in east europe, you can get boring waiting for the next sex session. In Brazil impossible to get boring, go to the beach, get tanned, drink beer and enjoy the life,I know. Also when I went back home from Brazil I was relaxed, it was the only time I took some kg's during my holiday, usually I lost kg's when I go to east europe.
My first goal now is to get model type looking girl and for me it suits much better FSU than Brazil, but as I said I am gonna judge nobody here.
If the Brazil could have the russian girls or if Russia could have beaches in front of the ocean it will be perfect for me!
P.S. after a photo of weather in Moldovia some pics of Moldavian girl.
El Austriaco
06-12-07, 20:27
But for me, the look and the beauty of girls is very important!
Thanks for your extensive response. You know, one of the main reasons that I tried to get the most complete, comprehensive, and detailed comparisons was that, obviously, "beauty" and "looks" are in the eye of the beholder. In other words, it's such a subjective issue that it is almost impossible to argue about. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with the fact that my standard of beauty might be quite different from anybody elses. Actually, it's a good thing that some mongers prefer Thai girls, others EE girls, and yet others Brazilian girls. Otherwise, we would all end up in the same place, and pussy prices would skyrocket :)
Let me add a few comments, though, for the purpose of furtherance of this interesting discussion and in the spirit of exchanging information between fellow mongers, as always:
1) I think that determining the relative beauty of girls in a specific location on the sole basis of pictures posted in ISG is pretty thin. I mean, I have seen tons of pictures posted in the Brazil photo gallery that really had my head shaking in disbelief, they were so bad (even more headshaking when I read the prices some guys paid), and I was kicking myself in the ass that I failed to take pictures of truly stunning pros or non-pros I met. So if girls in other places look subjectively better to you, it might just be that they are more of your type, or the guys posting them are better photographers or just pickier in terms of what girls they post pictures of. IMHO, neither portfolio is perfect, and doesn't justify to conclusively say, hey, girls in that place are DEFINITELY better than in another place. It certainly is not fair to compare ISG Brazil photogallery pictures taken by (mostly) amateur photographers to a website of a club in another country, with pictures that were (obviously) taken by professional photographers. It would be easy to post a similar Brazilian website that would give them a run for their money.
To use an example: to be perfectly honest, I was not very impressed with the pictures of the Moldavian chick you posted. Nice body, yeah, but the face.... too old and worn for me. But that's just me. Not trying to be antagonistic or trying to take a stab at you or anything, just my honest opinion. And I am pretty sure that if you took a look at some of the pictures I posted (admittedly, not many), you could say the same thing, and you would be perfectly entitled to do so.
My point is: personal tastes vary extremely.
2) I agree that looks definitely play a major role, at least in the sense that every monger has a minimum standard once he is paying for it and can pick and chose, but for me at least, it's not the only factor. Personally, I would say that 1) attitude and 2) chemistry between myself and the girl are equally important. Many mongers will disagree with me, many will agree. As a matter of fact, my main wingman here in Mexico is the exact opposite of me and ALWAYS selects girls based on looks alone. Personally, I probably hate nothing more than a drop-dead gorgeous girl with a lousy attitude and no brains, unable to hold a normal conversation for more than a minute or two. My wingman couldn't care less: he is just looking for the model types, just like you. He is happy with his approach, I am happy with mine, and our respective philosophies seem to yield equally good results for either one of us. Determining attitude is not so difficult, once you have a bit of (life) experience. Determining chemistry, however, usually requires language skills.
3) IMHO, ultimately determining whether Thailand is No. 1 or Brazil, or any other place for that matter, is pretty pointless. Brazil and Thailand are both very good, though very different, and based on one's personal preferences, one will usually pick one over the other. Still, I think that every self-respecting monger should definitely visit both once in a lifetime. I agree that Thailand probably has the most comprehensive foreign monger-oriented infrastructure anywhere in the world. Which, of course, means that it attracts lots of foreigners... which might be a good thing for some, but not for others. Not for me.
4) I personally have never been to Recife (though I have run into girls from there in other parts of Brazil, and one of my best friends here is a Pernambucana), so I can't really comment on the looks there, for what that would be worth. But in Rio, which I know fairly well, the variety of looks is absolutely incredible, also because girls from all over the country go from there. Personally, I seriously doubt that any place in Eastern Europe can compete with black girls, mulatas in all shades, morenas in all shades, blonds, redheads, jet-black hair, with eye colors that cover the range of the rainbow. And not only pros, but non-pros, too. In my opinion, the only places that compete with Brazil in that respect are Venezuela and Colombia even in the Americas (well, maybe Dominican Republic, too). And I am saying this as someone who has been to Hungary quite frequently, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia, Macedonia, Bulgaria, and Romania. I am also saying this as someone who lived quite a while far away from Copacabana in the interior of Rio State, in places where few tourists ever show up. And based on my experience, the only three places that I went to where, within half a day, I was seriously wondering whether I had landed in a model convention were Caracas, Rio, and Barranquilla, Colombia. I certainly never had that feeling in the places in Eastern Europe/former Yugoslavia that I have been to.
EA
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Actually, it's a good thing that some mongers prefer Thai girls, others EE girls, and yet others Brazilian girls. Otherwise, we would all end up in the same place, and pussy prices would skyrocket :)
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El Austriaco I totally agree! :)
1) I partly agree with you, that determining beauty of girls by photos in ISG can be thin, but you can have more or less "an idea" about how they look like, I mean if you look to 10-20 photos, you are right, but if are couple of years you are looking to the photos posted, you can have a much better idea.
Surely the best is to go there and this is why I wrote what you read, I was both in Russia, twice and in Recife, once.
Also it is enough you search random with skype 50 girls in russia and 50 girls in brazil and you look how they look like.
I believe you that in Rio there are much more beautiful girls than these posted here, but I could say the same about Moscow, that you can find there better girls than you can see here. ;)
Seriously it is a subjective issue as you right said and the best is when everybody will find what it suits best for him.
The 3 photos I posted, for my taste, I give her a solid 7', I agree that her face is not that nice, but...she is 34yo, at least she said 34..., and she costed me zero euro, we met in skype and had a very nice night when we met in my city,so for me was more than enough and she looks, in my opinion, much better than the best between the 12 girls I got in Recife... not to mention how I felt comfortable inside her little tight ass ;)
I searched in the last 20 pages of Brazil photo gallery, but I found no photo posted by you.
Btw I did not compare brazil photo gallery photos taken by amateur with girls to a website of a club in an other state, but I thought, maybe I wrote wrong.., about the two photogallery here in ISG , brazil and russia, and both of them are taken only by amateur ISG members and not by a website of a club.
2) I agree again and I forgot to say I care about attitude so well.
I am looking for a model type but friendly too!
However besides my "bad" experience with selfish ukranian in Odessa, all the other russians I got, in russia and at my home, were friendly and beautiful enough to risk to fall in love with them. :)
However for me the brazilians do not have a big plus in attitude in comparison with FSU girls, for me they are only better liars.... I was shocked in Recife when I noticed how the garotas said every week to different gringo " I love you", "my amor" and so on and the next week say the same thing to another one.
You know Recife is pretty small and it was very easy to see it.
I lived there almost one month, so I had the chance to see it very well: at first floor in airport at departures crying till death for the boyfriend went back home and in while at groundfloor with smile trying to get immediately new costumer at arrivals...
The same girl everytime totally in love with somebody else who obviously believe her in most of cases...really funny and interesting to look to this meat's market!
3) yes, I agree, pointless determining no.1 between thai or brazil.
4) Again El Austriaco I agree, brazil has the biggest average mix of all the colours of eyes, skin and hair and you do not have this big variety in FSU, but besides the variety, how many of them are really model type or at least really nice?
Cause I am not going to collect flowers for my garden, where a big variety of colours and smell and shapes can makes my garden looks better, but I am going to search very nice pussy whom to have nice sex session and a big variety, when the average level is low, it is not what I am looking for...
Again I think it is a reason of price too, with a piece of bread you can get brazilian girl, so they look more nice than they are, cause they are cheap and everybody can get many of them and feels like a king. (actually as posted, the rate in Moscow for 1 girl 1 night is from 400$ till 500$ in NF).
However all I wrote is only IMHO!
Cheers El Austriaco.
Someone mentioned they had had problems getting cash and, although I mentioned this some time back, I hope old regulars will forgive me for passing on the info again. I have rarely been to Brasil without worrying about getting cash at some point.
The problem tends to be worse around holidays, especially if you have mid-week ones on two consecutive weeks. The cash machines run out, or says things like it thinks there´s a problem with your card or whatever. And even when they work the limit is 1000R or less.
To get round this you need about an hour to spare, minimum. You go into a bank that displays the Visa sign. You find somoeone who speaks English (unless your Portuguese is first rate). You explain that as a bank that displays the visa sign they are legally obligated (as part of their contract with Vsa) to give you money up to the maximum on your credit balance.
You will probably have to explain this several times, patiently, good-naturedly, and firmly. You will need to have absolute confidence in what you are saying - you may wish to phone Visa International (which is where I got the info) rather than take my word for it if you like.
They will direct you to another bank, repeatedly try to use the cash machine (or several different cash machines) at that branch, or tell you it is not possible. You have to repeat the mantra about their legal obligation. And add that even if the machine worked it is no use because you want more than the limit on teh machine.
Eventually they will sit down and start phoning for authorisation. This will take ages before they get an answer. This is the second time I have been through the rigmarole - this morning I watched as she patiently downloaded an authorisation form. Then, as they did not have an imprint machine, they used a piece of carbon and rubbed it by hand to get an imprint of the card.
You will need your passport. It will tie up about four staff at the bank. But they will do it!
This morning it took 1 hour and five minutes. But I got my 3,000R.
Exec Talent
06-13-07, 17:36
This morning it took 1 hour and five minutes. But I got my 3,000R.
Did they raise the rates in Vila Mimosa?!
El Austriaco
06-13-07, 18:55
To get round this you need about an hour to spare, minimum. You go into a bank that displays the Visa sign. You find somoeone who speaks English (unless your Portuguese is first rate). You explain that as a bank that displays the visa sign they are legally obligated (as part of their contract with Vsa) to give you money up to the maximum on your credit balance.
I have my share of experience dealing with banks in Latin-American countries, including Brazil. And as someone who lives in a Latin country, I have come to the conclusion that I prefer to have three root canals in a row rather than deal with something, ANYTHING, out of the ordinary in Latin-American banks. Money transfers, wire transfers, cashier checks, whatever. In other words, anything other than depositing money, withdrawing money, or using an ATM.
Number one, unless you speak very good Portuguese (or Spanish, in Spanish-speaking countries) and have tons of time to waste, don't do it. In my personal experience, looking for someone who speaks English AND is competent enough to help you is generally a time-consuming and ultimately fruitless endeavor.
Number two, try it with major international banks only. Even in that case, there's no guarantee they will actually understand what you are talking about.
Number three, go in and ask for the branch manager. Under no circumstances, talk to anyone other than the branch manager. Anyone else won't have a clue as to what you want, and you are just wasting your time.
Number four, don't plan anything else that morning or afternoon. We are talking about hours of babysitting them through the process, step by step, multiple times.
Number five, don't rely on it to work. Provided you follow all of the above, your chances still are no better than 50/50 at best.
Dealing with Brazilian banks is just a first-rate lesson in incompetence, total lack of customer service, and bureaucracy.
EA
Did they raise the rates in Vila Mimosa?!
ROFL! No but I have expensive tastes in other areas.
As El A said, dealing with a Brasilian bank is to be regarded as a last option. I put the procedure up as a last resort. I have used it successfully twice now when all else has failed.
The bottom line is that Visa will threaten to withdraw their facilities if you can show the bank did not provide you with a requested cash advance against your credit card up to your max.
Other precautions I take - I go in the morning in case anything goes international or they wanted to phone my bank (in Europe, 4hrs difference); if I remember I take my western roaming phone - usually the threat is enough - then Visa can tell them personally they must honour my request.
Above all though you have to do it Brasilian style (different to other Latin AMerican countries in my experience) - that means acting as if you have all the time in the world but not going away until it is done. Not getting angry. Not losing your cool. They do not have any choice, and incompetence is not an excuse, they are obliged. But if you p*ss them off by berating them they have a perfect excuse.
Brasilian banks are a world unto themselves. I have advised Brasiian friends to deposit some money somewhere else as a safeguard.
A Brazilian friend went to the US Embassy today to try to get a tourist Visa to travel to the US. There was a group of about 30 people. Not one obtained a Visa! Mind you, the Brazilians have to pay about R333 when they make the application. Money that is not refunded when the application is denied!
Among the group, was an elderly lady who has applied and has been denied three times. (She has a daughter married to an American and living in the San Diego.) Another was a mother and 11 year old daughter, who wanted to travel to Disney World in Orlando, FL. The 11 year old girl left the embassy crying. There were well dressed men, who appeared to have means.
There was also, what appeared to be, a group of GDP, they were quickly denied.
The great fear of the US is that the foreigner will not return. My friend is married and has a child, property, work, bank accounts and many ties to Brazil. Many reasons to return. Evidence and documents in support of this were presented. No reasons were given as to why the Visa was denied.
The elderly lady is of the opinion, (rightfully so,) that the US has a bias against Brazilians. I would disagree: The US has a bias against Latinos. Out of 30 people, you'd figure a few would have gotten their Visas. It all seems arbitrary and unfair.
I am of the opinion, if 30 Saudi Arabians applied for US Visas, 30 Visas would be granted.
My friend was told that maybe the next time or towards the end of the year a Visa would be granted. The next time?
Also keep this in mind, Brazilians do not need a Visa to travel to Europe. Last time I checked the Euro was spanking the Dollar.
Exec Talent
06-14-07, 06:47
This is right up there with Bimbo Boy's TS comments in terms of making someone want to throw up. If anyone has about a week, I can tell you all about it. It starts with there being a pay by the minute number (with menu after menu) to call to setup an appointment and ends with immigration in the US Airports having complete control over who gets in (even with a valid visa). Dealing with these people was the one and only time I ever considered committing an act of violence. You can learn to hate Americans pretty fast, even when you are one.
Now if you want to be a Haitian cab driver (the poorest country in the western hemisphere) -- welcome to America. Maybe immigration officers have seen Brazilians drive.
Seeing all the trouble people seem to be having getting cash advances on Visa cards, I suggest getting an American Express card and going to the AmEx office next to the Copacabana Palace Hotel for your cash advance. There is often a line, but that is the only reason you might have to wait. You will get your money right away--I am speaking from experience. One caveat: they are open only on weekdays, and they close at 3:00 PM, which is about the time some mongers get up. :) So get there "early."
L
Bear in mind that these are the same people who granted a US visa to Mohammed Atta (one of the 9/11 highjackers) nine months AFTER 9/11, and of course after he was dead. I read this in Newsweek. These are also the same people who, a few years ago, wouldn't let Cat Stevens into the US because he was deemed a threat to national security. When you are dealing with US State Department careerists, you are not dealing with rational people.
L
Mr Enternational
06-14-07, 11:19
Right. Just because a person has a valid visa does not mean they will be allowed entry to the country. A friend of mine said when she was entering 40 of them were detained and 18 were refused. I wanted her to come back but she didn't want to risk purchasing a ticket and not being able to come in. I tried to check her status with an immigration supervisor before she bought a ticket and he said that nothing can be determined until they step foot in the country.
It starts with there being a pay by the minute number (with menu after menu) to call to setup an appointment and ends with immigration in the US Airports having complete control over who gets in (even with a valid visa).
Exec Talent
06-14-07, 13:41
Right.I tried to check her status with an immigration supervisor before she bought a ticket and he said that nothing can be determined until they step foot in the country.
Exactly! So, their interview, background checks and everything else done in Brazil to obtain their visas mean nothing. These glorified postal workers can decide they do not like the way these pretty Brazilian girls look and deny their entry. A valid visa in no way guarantees admittance into the US.
El Austriaco
06-14-07, 15:43
A valid visa in no way guarantees admittance into the US.
That's right, and it has always been this way, at least since I started traveling to the US (1988). This was in the days the "Visa Waiver" program, under which visas were no longer required for most Western European countries, had not yet been implemented, and as an Austrian citizen, I still needed a visa. But even back then, the ultimate decision on whether to let you into the US was made at the arrival airport by the INS agent. And if for whatever reason, they didn't like your face that day, there was nothing you could do about it. The length of your stay was always entirely at their discretion. Never was denied entry, but I sure ran into some assholes and bitches.
But Chingon is right, this whole issue does not particularly pertain to Brazilians, but to Latins in general. I know several upper middle-class people here in Mexico who are greatly worried about not getting a visa to travel to the US for pleasure, or who have actually been denied one in the past, despite many valid reasons that they would return to their home country. Right now, sponsoring seems to be the most promising approach: either be sponsored by an employer, or by someone living in the US who assumes responsibility for any expenses you might incur and who is liable in case you defect.
EA
Hi,
I just wanted to know if some one had the dates of the games in July. I like to revisit RIO for few days but I want to make sure all the games are over.
Thanks,
Tiger
Exec Talent
06-14-07, 20:25
www.google.com
Pan AM Games Rio
http://www.cob.org.br/pan2007/ingles/indexing.asp
There and I did it without one snide remark.
Delaware Guy
06-14-07, 20:36
www.google.comThere and I did it without one snide remark.I was just about to say "I didn't have any idea at all. Until I went to Google, typed in Pan Am Games Rio, and in 4 seconds I had my answer." But I guess that may have been interpreted as having been snide.
Basically the last to weeks of July.
ET, that was very gentle.
Exactly! So, their interview, background checks and everything else done in Brazil to obtain their visas mean nothing. A valid visa in no way guarantees admittance into the US.
But they'll let a guy in with highly contagious TB.
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ICE as in Immigration Customs Enforcement. They're called ICE agents. Very sexy, don'tcha think? When I first heard that moniker, I thought it was a
James Bond reference.
My last trip, I re-entered the US through Miami. After disembarking and while walking towards Immigration Control, the group encountered 4 Immigration officers. In order to pass them, one had to show documents. In intimidating tones they barked: "Why are you here? Where are you going? Is this your first time in the US? They were very heavy handed, gestapo-like. It was 4a.m! First time in 5yrs of traveling to and from Brazil, that I encountered this.
Ah...aren't those questions better asked at Immigration Control? And haven't those questions been answered when applying for the Visa?
That incident left a bad taste in my mouth, and left me feeling sorry for the Brazilians.
Once I arrived at Immigration Control, only a few booths were manned. Those 4 officers could have been put to better use.
BTW, comparing them to Postal workers is an insult to Postal Workers. I tend to think that these individuals are wanna be cops, who were unable to get employed by police departments.
EA:
Have you been through the sponsorship process and how long does it take?
Very nice of you ET.
El Austriaco
06-14-07, 21:44
EA:
Have you been through the sponsorship process and how long does it take?
No, I haven't. As a matter of fact, I had to be sponsored when I married an American citizen, too, back in the 90s, just to make sure I wouldn't become a burden on American taxpayers in the event that I got divorced. My ex-mother-in-law took care of that. It's a simple affidavit that you file with your application for a green card.
I have never sponsored anyone to just come and visit me in the States, though, so I don't know how long it takes or how complicated it is. But if someone wanting to visit the US is denied the tourist visa on their own merits, it might actually be the only way to go.
One thing is for sure though: all of this got way more difficult and cumbersome after 9/11, especially for people from not so rich countries.
EA
Mr Enternational
06-15-07, 01:48
My friends say that if you are a U.S. citizen and have a visitor coming from a Latin or African country then it is best to arrive into the country with them and go through immigration together. They say that way the person will neither be hassled nor refused entry.
Exec Talent
06-15-07, 02:50
My friends say that if you are a U.S. citizen and have a visitor coming from a Latin or African country then it is best to arrive into the country with them and go through immigration together. They say that way the person will neither be hassled nor refused entry.
I do not want to get into a long story, other than to say I was told by a woman at immigration, who made Whoopi Goldberg look like Halle Berry, that unless I got married to my girlfriend (who was with me at the time) she would not be allowed back in the US. Next time she was turned back and visa cancelado. I tried to get a report from Immigration here and it was impossible. The only way I got it was from a friendly Brazilian at the US Consulate in Rio.
You don't want to get me started. Oh, I guess I already have started. In which case, let me say if you plan to have anything other than a causal relationship with a Brazilian woman, expect complications from the US Government. They complain about shame marriages, but at the same time, normal dating with your beloved traveling here to see how see likes it and fits in is not going to happen.
Basically the last to weeks of July.
ET, that was very gentle.Thanks for the info Mangera, I must of googled it for 20min yesterday. I found some info but I wanted to confirm with someone in Rio. Thanks again and keep doing what your doing.
Be safe, Tiger
Well, this has been a depressing thread. I have been intending to bring my GF to the USA for a visit. I have a permanent Visa for Brazil, own property in Brazil. She owns a home and a car, and has family there too.
So any suggestions on getting her a Visa, hints or tips? This will be inn Rio.
I previously obtained 5 year visas for 2 other GFs I brought to the USA, was not hard, but I went with them to the consulate.
Exec Talent
06-15-07, 17:25
Well, this has been a depressing thread. I have been intending to bring my GF to the USA for a visit. I have a permanent Visa for Brazil, own property in Brazil. She owns a home and a car, and has family there too.
So any suggestions on getting her a Visa, hints or tips? This will be inn Rio.
I previously obtained 5 year visas for 2 other GFs I brought to the USA, was not hard, but I went with them to the consulate.
In my case, getting the visa was not the hard part. Her coming to the US for a visit the first time, also not hard. What was hard was repeat visits. I think what concerned the woman in immigration was that if I had a Brazilian woman visiting me here, it would eliminate the possibility for an American woman to make my life miserable.
Well, this has been a depressing thread. I have been intending to bring my GF to the USA for a visit. I have a permanent Visa for Brazil, own property in Brazil. She owns a home and a car, and has family there too.
So any suggestions on getting her a Visa, hints or tips? This will be inn Rio.
I previously obtained 5 year visas for 2 other GFs I brought to the USA, was not hard, but I went with them to the consulate.
Off Road
That last sentence suggest you have more experience with this than most here. Was this done pre-9/11?
I was under the impression that no one could accompany the individual to the embassy. Were you present during the interview?
Mr Enternational
06-15-07, 17:54
My girlfriend was approved for a visa this morning. She is Brazilian but works in Ireland. She will be stopping through the U.S. on her way back home for vacation. She obtained a transit visa which is good for 5 years and will allow her to stay in the US for up to 29 days. I don't know what factors played a part in the decision, but she had already been an exchange student in the U.S. some years back. She is basically a volunteer worker, so money could not have played any part in it. She took with her a copy of my passport and driver's license and various pictures of us together to show that it was apparent that we had spent time together in several different countries. She was afraid of not obtaining a visa because she had earlier been rejected by England.
Exec Talent
06-15-07, 18:21
I am not an immigration attorney, nor do I play one on TV (sorry we are not supposed to talk about the TV or TS stuff). However, one option is for them to get a foreign passport based upon their heritage. For example, if their grandfather was born in Italy, they are eligible for an Italian passport.
That is the option I hope catches on. That way they can flip a bird to those immigration officers as they enter the country and tell them it was an international gesture of friendship.
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