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In my case, getting the visa was not the hard part. Her coming to the US for a visit the first time, also not hard. What was hard was repeat visits. I think what concerned the woman in immigration was that if I had a Brazilian woman visiting me here, it would eliminate the possibility for an American woman to make my life miserable.
As f**ken crazy as your last sentence sounds, it might just be true. As D. King would say, "Only in America".
Off Road
That last sentence suggest you have more experience with this than most here. Was this done pre-9/11?
I was under the impression that no one could accompany the individual to the embassy. Were you present during the interview?
One pre and one post 9/11. I accompanied both for the interview. Went very well, we were honest (well kinda) and knew the story. I also know their main objective it to make sure the brazilian will return, so showing that I worked in Brazil helped.
I am not an immigration attorney, nor do I play one on TV (sorry we are not supposed to talk about the TV or TS stuff). However, one option is for them to get a foreign passport based upon their heritage. For example, if their grandfather was born in Italy, they are eligible for an Italian passport.
As Italy is a member of the EU, it will be an EU passport.
I met a guy whose grandparents came from Ireland. He was able to get citizenship in Ireland through that relationship. He then got an EU passport and can now live and work in ANY EU country. Good stuff!
My grandparents are from the Caribbean and I was able to do the same thing. Except being a citizen of a Caribbean country is not as useful as being a citizen of an EU country.
As f**ken crazy as your last sentence sounds, it might just be true. As D. King would say, "Only in America".
It is not crazy at all!!! That is the main 'unstated' objective of the marriage broker law that was enacted last year. It makes it much more difficult for a US man to marry an non-US woman using a online dating agency.
Tommy America
06-17-07, 01:33
For my friends here who travel frequently to Brazil...
In your experience, is it better to exchange currency upon arrival at the airport or do use use an ATM with a bank card recognized in Brazil? Generally, I exchange at the airport, but I have on occasion used ATMs while in the cities. When the "withdrawal" hits my bank account, it ofter looks like the exchange rate is better dealing directly through ATMs.
Any opinions or advice on this?
Thanks all!!!
As Italy is a member of the EU, it will be an EU passport........
George90:
Respectfully, all EU passports are still "national" passports albeit from the EU. In other words an Italian will still have an "Italian" passport as their rules for holding a passport are different than the Germans (for instance) - but they are both "EU" countries. The best (meaning least visas required for any other country) is still a United Kingdom passport as a long time ago they ruled the world. (Now they don't even have effective gunboats!)
Regards
Polvo
For my friends here who travel frequently to Brazil...
In your experience, is it better to exchange currency upon arrival at the airport or do use use an ATM with a bank card recognized in Brazil? Generally, I exchange at the airport, but I have on occasion used ATMs while in the cities. When the "withdrawal" hits my bank account, it ofter looks like the exchange rate is better dealing directly through ATMs.
Any opinions or advice on this?
Thanks all!!!Do not exchange a bunch of money at the airport! You'll get a crappy rate. When I went to Rio, the appropriate rate was about 2 to 1 The airport in Sao Paulo where I changed planes was operating at about 1.8 to 1 once you also factored in the fee they charge. In short a rip-off!
If you need to, exchange a small amount of cash at the airport just to get some reais in your pockets, but then look for some alternative methods for getting the majority of the local currency you will need. So, so much has already been written here about this issue.
Many of the guys like to use the ATMs. During my trip, there were several money exchange houses near my hotel offering an acceptable rate, so I just used them and it all worked out fine for me. Whatever you do, don't go for the airport rip-off rate, which really has to stink now given a weakened dollar.
Here's another tip. Make sure you save some reais for a return trip. That way, the next time you will arrive with some Brazilian money already in your pockets and can skip having to deal with the airport on this all together. Have enough reais on you the next time to at least get from the airport to your hotel or apartment.
For my friends here who travel frequently to Brazil...
In your experience, is it better to exchange currency upon arrival at the airport or do use use an ATM with a bank card recognized in Brazil? Generally, I exchange at the airport, but I have on occasion used ATMs while in the cities. When the "withdrawal" hits my bank account, it ofter looks like the exchange rate is better dealing directly through ATMs.
Any opinions or advice on this?
Thanks all!!!
I find exchanging when I am here in Brazil a better deal.
Trippleecks
06-17-07, 14:06
Using the Cambio at the airport is for SUCKERS.. Also, NEVER, EVER, EXCHANGE ANY MONEY IN THE USA...... You get better rates doing that in Copacabana at a Cambio there.... ATM's in Copa work well also... Don't make the mistake many do when coming to Rio. DO NOT DEPEND SOLELY ON YOUR PLASTIC.. Bring CASH with you also.......
It is always an advantage to have a second passport, at present one can use 2 passports to stay in Brazil for an unlimited time. IE 6 months on each passport. Won't work for ever, but for the time being not a bad way to go.
I agree, a euro passport is the best passport. The US draws alittle bit to much heat from countries which disagree with US policies, and at the moment that is a few more than normal.
To all the fathers out there, Happy fathers day.
Celerbrate your fathers day safely.
Tiger
For my friends here who travel frequently to Brazil...
In your experience, is it better to exchange currency upon arrival at the airport or do use use an ATM with a bank card recognized in Brazil? Generally, I exchange at the airport, but I have on occasion used ATMs while in the cities. When the "withdrawal" hits my bank account, it ofter looks like the exchange rate is better dealing directly through ATMs.
Any opinions or advice on this?
Thanks all!!!
Lots of opinions, but I am afraid they vary!
I do not think using the airport cambio is for suckers. On several trips I have used it and got a better rate than was subsequently offered in town/Copa. I like ATMs costswise, but they are a pain in many other ways (you have to find ones that accept your card and that have money in them). If you use the cambios in town or in Copa then it is good to shop around. The Amex office next to Copa Palace hotel (on Ave Atlantica) usually gives one of the best rates but might not be handy for you and has short opening hours. Try half a dozen and compare.
I personally recommend changing *some* money at the airport - enough for a few days at least. At least unless they offer you an abysmal rate. Then have at least two credit cards (carried in different places on your person) for use at ATMs.
Check out the internet cafes while you are in Rio. Many are full. This forum shows up on Google® searches. With very few exceptions,
This is in reference to what is going on in the photo section.
Yes anybody can access this forum but not everybody can see the pictures.
You have to be a Paid member for that or at least a Senior member. So unless a paid member or a senior member is showing somebody the pictures they won't be able to see them.
And I doubt some GDP or some parent of a GDP or friend of a GDP or family member is going to take the time or money to join this forum.
This is in reference to what is going on in the photo section.
Yes anybody can access this forum but not everybody can see the pictures.
You have to be a Paid member for that or at least a Senior member. So unless a paid member or a senior member is showing somebody the pictures they won't be able to see them.
And I doubt some GDP or some parent of a GDP or friend of a GDP or family member is going to take the time or money to join this forum.Good Point Rio Bob! Most of the girls that work there in Rio come from families that are not well off Financially. So, becoming a member to ISG would not be a Priority to a family member! So, it would be a Weak Link to the Membership to show any of the pictures from this forum! Well said Rio Bob.
Ohp1972
This is in reference to what is going on in the photo section.
Yes anybody can access this forum but not everybody can see the pictures.
You have to be a Paid member for that or at least a Senior member. So unless a paid member or a senior member is showing somebody the pictures they won't be able to see them.
And I doubt some GDP or some parent of a GDP or friend of a GDP or family member is going to take the time or money to join this forum.
A good point, Rio Bob (who at least made it civilly instead of the abusive TJ Fanatic). Does it apply to other threads where people sometimes post photos as well? (I haven´t checked.)
But I still (personally) hold to the policy of not posting identifiable photos. For what it is worth, that is part of my own code of decency. I might show them to other mongers privately and in person, otherwise they are just for me. Which is the understanding I give the girls when I take them.
I don´t insist everyone takes the same view. I welcome other views. I was quite surprised to get an abusive PM from someone who feels so strongly about the issue that they want me to shut up and not express an opinion!
how pratical is it with air travel from Natal (or Forteleza or Recife) to Cartagena (i guess via Bogota)?
Dodger Bulldog
06-18-07, 16:11
A good point, Does it apply to other threads where people sometimes post photos as well?All photos can only be viewed by paying members or those Seniors who were grandfathered in before the new system came into effect (about two and a half years ago).
So the actual number of persons who can access the photos is not even close to 181,000.
And please note that many people sign up to check this site out once or twice and never return, so it is not as if 181,000 persons actually even read the reports. That number is way out of whack.
I would submit that the odds of even one Brasilian mother of a GDP being a paid member at this site is QUITE remote.
Moreover, I would also suggest that there is no comparison to having the photo posted of a sex worker who lives in Brasil to that of a monger who lives in the States or Europe.
I live in sex prison, amidst all of the inherent puritanical values that it entails. If my employer came across a photo of me on here I would surely lose my job.
Of course, it's ludicrous to imagine that same thing would happen to a girl who freelances down at Help, or even one who works at a terma or club. Let alone in VM, LOL.
Other arguments can be made concerning whether or not to post photos with faces. But the two main arguments above can clearly be dismissed as being bogus.
I have always believed that reasonable people can disagree on a topic without being disagreeable.
DB
El Austriaco
06-18-07, 22:53
All photos can only be viewed by paying members or those Seniors who were grandfathered in before the new system came into effect (about two and a half years ago).
So the actual number of persons who can access the photos is not even close to 181,000.
This argument first started in response to someone posting that for him, "posting pictures of girls here was just like showing the pictures to a friend" and that for him "another monger then showing the pictures to a GDP was like stealing them from his very home".
Even if not all members can view photos, Senior members and Paying members can view them immediately. In addition, it is not really all that hard to become a Senior member: Regular Members are automatically upgraded to Senior Member when they have been a Forum Member for 6 months AND have posted 25 or more reports. Considering how many serial antagonist here have become Senior Members without ever contributing any useful information, the threshold is really pretty low. In any case, there is no way for me to figure how many Senior or Paying members there are, only Jackson knows, I guess.
But even by using a very conservative estimate that only 10% of all ISG members can view photos, posting a photo here is still equivalent to publishing it to a potential audience of at least 18,000 people who are able to freely download them, print them, repost them, whatever not. In all likelihood, 99.9% of these people, the original poster does not know. IMHO, this is clearly way beyond "just showing them to a friend", and much closer to actual publishing.
Moreover, I would also suggest that there is no comparison to having the photo posted of a sex worker who lives in Brasil to that of a monger who lives in the States or Europe.
I live in sex prison, amidst all of the inherent puritanical values that it entails. If my employer came across a photo of me on here I would surely lose my job.
Of course, it's ludicrous to imagine that same thing would happen to a girl who freelances down at Help, or even one who works at a terma or club. Let alone in VM, LOL.
While it is true that an identified monger usually has more to lose than a outed provider, the consequences can be dire for girls, too, and in some cases, even worse than those faced by mongers. Remember the Belguel story? Girls that were outed where outcast by the family and publicly humiliated, if not brutally beaten, driving some to suicide. One girl was actually killed, if I remember correctly (please, anyone correct me if I am wrong). Sure, this was in Morocco, and the pix Belguel posted were quite extreme, but still... it's something to keep in mind. I sure have been told by some girls in Brazil that they were, in fact, married, and their husband had no idea they were working "na noite".
EA
While it is true that a uncovered monger usually has more to lose than a uncovered provider, the consequences can be dire for girls, too, and in some cases, even worse than those faced by mongers. Remember the Belguel story? Girls that were outed where outcast by the family and publicly humiliated, if not brutally beaten, driving some to suicide. One girl was actually killed, if I remember correctly (please, anyone correct me if I am wrong). Sure, this was in Morocco, and the pix Belguel posted were quite extreme, but still... it's something to keep in mind. I sure have been told by some girls in Brazil that they were, in fact, married, and their husband had no idea they were working "na noite".
EA
One working girl whom I know personally, lost the custody of her child after her ex-husband discovered her picture and recognized her in this forum. She is heartbroken. I have had her crying on the phone. Imagine a mother being separated from her 6 years old boy ... Nobody deserves this kind of pain.
When I tried to have her picture removed from this forum a few months ago, nobody cared and I was even attacked personnally. I was even called the "Picture Police". I followed Jackson's guidelines, sent him a copy of the girl's ID requesting a removal of the picture, with a personal message from the girl and he did nothing, not even acknowledging my emails.
It is only time I felt ashamed of being part of our community. I think that these wonderful girls, that give us so much happiness, deserve a minimum of respect.
Regards. Bimbo Boy.
Foxtrotter
06-19-07, 02:26
Fellas. Start planning your trip and try to make it before you loose more purchasing power. I. E. More bunda for your money
I know someone who is in the currency trading market and a last year he told me that the greenback will soon to start trading low against major world currencies. Back then I did not think it will fall this low. His info was that the Manufacturing lobbies have successfully convinced all of the decision making parties to drive the dollar down so that the manufacturing sector gets revived again by the weak dollar. Politicians love it too. More export = more manufacturing jobs. Just look at how Ben has been sliding vs the Euro, the loon and the Real just in the past 6 month alone.
Today Franklin can pull only R1. 90.
I guess basic economic should kick in now. We have to react to the market too. We as mongers show influence Bunda price also! Start offering LOW!
One working girl whom I know personally, lost the custody of her child after her ex-husband discovered her picture and recognized her in this forum. She is heartbroken. I have had her crying on the phone. Imagine a mother being separated from her 6 years old boy ... Nobody deserves this kind of pain.
When I tried to have her picture removed from this forum a few months ago, nobody cared and I was even attacked personnally. I was even called the "Picture Police". I followed Jackson's guidelines, sent him a copy of the girl's ID requesting a removal of the picture, with a personal message from the girl and he did nothing, not even acknowledging my emails.
It is only time I felt ashamed of being part of our community. I think that these wonderful girls, that give us so much happiness, deserve a minimum of respect.
Regards. Bimbo Boy.You are right BB, this is not funny situation. I wish her good luck getting the baby back. I must blame the girls for allowing us to take their pictures in the nude.
Tiger
I heard of a GDP who was going through a divorce. She won custody because she earned more $$$ and was able to provide a better life for the child. Guess she had a better lawyer too. Remember prostitution is a legal profession in Brazil.
Beach Star
06-20-07, 01:22
how pratical is it with air travel from Natal (or Forteleza or Recife) to Cartagena (i guess via Bogota)?It is not possible at all, you would have to go back to Sao Paulo and go from there. From SP you do not have daily flights to Bogota, which I guess would be the only way of getting to Cartagena. It would probably be easier to go back to Miami and start from there.
well i for one will tell you that, for the simple reason that it's true. moreover, i'm guessing that the vast majority of posters to the brazil threads will say the same thing. how naive can you get? never let a girl out of your sight when you are alone in your room with her....never...not even if you're just going to [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) (do it with the door open). the only exception might be if you have a well established relationship with the girl.
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this is not necessary. when i roll in to my apartment at 4 or 5 in the morning with a gdp from help i'll do whatever i damn please and that includes taking a shower or [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) with the door closed.
why do i do this? because my apartment is gdp proof. that's right; there is nothing of real value in the apartment that she can take.
once i lost a couple of condoms and a tube of lube that i inherited and even a pack of cigarettes but that’s it, that garota didn't even charge me for days but i knew what she was up to. she gave me some story that she worked in rio sul and she was a student. i went with the fantasy, she screwed me for days no charge waiting for me to let my guard down and slip. i never did and then when i was tired of her i never answered my phone again.
i don't get uptight, i'm on vacation but the real goods are secure.
I heard of a GDP who was going through a divorce. She won custody because she earned more $$$ and was able to provide a better life for the child. Guess she had a better lawyer too. Remember prostitution is a legal profession in Brazil.
Or maybe she was having sex with a big shot that arranged her case. One of my business partners in Brazil tells me that he always takes the most expensive lawyers because they have more corruption power.
So by having more $$$ the garota was maybe able to bribe better ...
Regards. BB.
I was invited to attend a Music festival this upcomming weekend at this location by some brasilian friends. I think they are suppose to have some reggae bands perform. Its an event that takes place during the weekend, if I am not mistaken. We will be making the 2 hr drive this friday.
I have heard its a wonderful place. Does anyone have any info. about this particular festival. For example, does it get rowdy, fun or is it a calm event?
I am not planning on taking company because my brasilian friends girlfriends will begin to interogate the hell out of whoever i take. These brasilian gals think tourists only hang out with gdps( which is true most of the time, lol ).
I have a feeling there are going to be many single brasilian non pros at this festival. Another reason for not taking female company. I will report when I get back. Laters!
Lots of opinions, but I am afraid they vary!
I do not think using the airport cambio is for suckers. On several trips I have used it and got a better rate than was subsequently offered in town/Copa. I like ATMs costswise, but they are a pain in many other ways (you have to find ones that accept your card and that have money in them). If you use the cambios in town or in Copa then it is good to shop around. The Amex office next to Copa Palace hotel (on Ave Atlantica) usually gives one of the best rates but might not be handy for you and has short opening hours. Try half a dozen and compare.
I personally recommend changing *some* money at the airport - enough for a few days at least. At least unless they offer you an abysmal rate. Then have at least two credit cards (carried in different places on your person) for use at ATMs.There are ATM's at the airport and in the old terminal there is Banco de Brasil on the top floor that gives a good rate. All the touts take the money they change downstairs up to there and change it back.
My routine when I arrive is to pass through customs and immigration, head up to the shopping level, get some money and have a coffee, then I pop down to departures and pick up a yellow cab there, they have usually just dropped someone off and are looking to head back to Zona Sul, sometimes if you are lucky you can get a bargain R$30 to Copa, normal meter price R$35 to R$40. If you are in a hotel and in no hurry, get the bus, it stops at most major hotels but it takes a while.
speaking about the airport, anyone know if the pre-paid cell phone minute cards are sold at the airport?
speaking about the airport, anyone know if the pre-paid cell phone minute cards are sold at the airport?
You can get a top up for most operators in the farmacia on the top floor of the old terminal, vitamins too.
Abzsafado:
Old terminal?! I thought it was ALL old. You mean the domestic side or where the restaurants are located? Looks like I need to explore the airport more.
I think terminal 1 is the old one where most carriers leave from. And Terminal 2 is the one for Varig and TAP.
I have a comparison of exchange rates from last week (I just got my credit card and bank statements online, and so I have complete rate into):
* At the airport cambio I was offered R1.90/$
* At my hotel in Copa I only got R1.80/$
* At 4*4 they also converted at 1.80.
* My ATM card worked out to 1.83 on a R400 withdrawal, once I figure the R5 ATM fee at Banco de Brazil's ATM and my bank's international transaction fee in.
* My credit card used exactly the same conversions as my ATM card, but they also charged interest from the second that I made my withdrawal (I knew that beforehand, of course, but I was desperate that day ...)
* I got the best exchange rate (as usual, I might add) at L'uomo, where they gave me 2.00.
euro
I have periodically asked this question before but seem to have not gotten a definitive answer . . . sorry for beating a dead horse.
I pose this question to guys that travel frequently to both Sao Paulo & Rio. If I want to be able to keep in touch with GFEs in both cities. I would like as much as possible keep the same phone number. I have some questions . .
a) What company has the best prepaid plan for usage & coverage in both cities as well as for possible travel to other Brazilian cities?
b) Should I get only one number (ie. one SIM chip) and if so which city should I buy it in - Sao Paulo or Rio? or should I get a chip for each city?
c) If I can get GFEs to use texting (SMS) more, will it change your recommendation? Is texting cheaper than phone calls? even if it is from one city to another?
In general, I'll probably go to Rio 5X for each 3X that I go to Sao Paulo.
I will try to answer. See them below...
a) What company has the best prepaid plan for usage & coverage in both cities as well as for possible travel to other Brazilian cities?
TIM
b) Should I get only one number (ie. one SIM chip) and if so which city should I buy it in - Sao Paulo or Rio? or should I get a chip for each city?
As you mention that you stay more in Rio, its cheaper if you get number from there. Although roaming is very expensive and you pay incoming calls too when you are outside of your own area.
c) If I can get GFEs to use texting (SMS) more, will it change your recommendation? Is texting cheaper than phone calls? even if it is from one city to another?
Text messages are cheaper, although prepaid text messages are quite expensive. Depending how well you can exchange info in 140 characters, texting should be cheaper than calling. Plus when you´re roaming you don´t pay extra. NOTE!!! If you have one of newer phones that allow you to write over 140 character messages, you´ll pay for 2 or even more messages. i.e. 0 - 140 one message, 141 - 240 2 messages, 241 - 380 3 messages and so on.
In general, I'll probably go to Rio 5X for each 3X that I go to Sao Paulo.
P
text messages are cheaper, although prepaid text messages are quite expensive.
it's very common that tim has promoções. at the cost of r$ 10 you get 100 or 200 tor****s (text messages). this isn't a permanent offer, but so far i got it every year the last five years.
Mr Enternational
06-25-07, 01:04
There are ATM's at the airport and in the old terminal there is Banco de Brasil on the top floor that gives a good rate. All the touts take the money they change downstairs up to there and change it back.
So we are allowed to change money in the Banco de Brasil? What is the difference between the rate they give and the one that the touts give us?
Mr Enternational
06-25-07, 01:47
Almotu,
Get Claro in Rio (because you spend more time there) and try to get the girls to text more. It uses the same credits no matter what city you text from or to. But when you are in SP your credits will go faster for calls. Also if you are in SP with a Rio # and someone calls you from Rio it will deduct from YOUR credits to cover the long distance fee and their credits for the basic call. When calling long distance from Rio first dial 015(best/cheapest company for long distance-Telefonica)-11(SP)-number you are calling. When calling from SP with a Rio # always use the 015 before any number you call. In my cell directory I key in the 015 before my contacts' numbers who live outside of Rio. My friend now tells me that when sending a text from SP to RJ you only need to dial 021 and you don't need the long distance carrier code before the number, although I always use it.
As for other Brazilian cities. Always check to see if the carrier has service in that particular area. I know that Claro does not have service in Manaus. My ex-girlfriend there had Tim. However with Tim and Oi you only have 3 months to recharge your credits whereas with Claro you have 5 months.
My friend in SP says for you to buy Claro. She says it is less complicated and the person at the store will show you how to use it. She says it's the best and her sister bought one yesterday.
I have periodically asked this question before but seem to have not gotten a definitive answer . . . sorry for beating a dead horse.
I pose this question to guys that travel frequently to both Sao Paulo & Rio. If I want to be able to keep in touch with GFEs in both cities. I would like as much as possible keep the same phone number. I have some questions . .
a) What company has the best prepaid plan for usage & coverage in both cities as well as for possible travel to other Brazilian cities?
b) Should I get only one number (ie. one SIM chip) and if so which city should I buy it in - Sao Paulo or Rio? or should I get a chip for each city?
c) If I can get GFEs to use texting (SMS) more, will it change your recommendation? Is texting cheaper than phone calls? even if it is from one city to another?
In general, I'll probably go to Rio 5X for each 3X that I go to Sao Paulo.
Dodger Bulldog
06-25-07, 02:00
I've got a Claro sim chip from Rio that I bought this month. I am sure that I will not be using it in the next four months.
If someone has an unlocked quadband phone and is heading to Rio in the next four months, PM your address to me and I will drop it in the mail. It even has a handful of reais left on it.
All I ask is that when you are done with it, try to pass it on to someone else who can use it.
DB
Thanks guys for your intel. I guess I am getting Claro then.
Mr E., when I am in SP with my cellphone and I call a SP number . . . I should dail 015-11-XXXX-XXXX? and if I call a Rio number then what? 015-21-XXXX-XXXX? or just the number?
If I call a landline, is there much difference in the cost per minute?
Misinformation
06-25-07, 06:36
What do you guys think? I went to Brazil about 5 years ago and visited about 5 times in one year back when $1=are$3. 5. Shopping in Rio Sul or Barra Shopping or eating in Marius or Porcao with wine the check would be a crazy bargain. I am considering spending the winter in Brazil but I am not so sure. I think costs would be double what they were a year ago for an American with dollars. The poster below talked about spending $130USD to take a girl out of Franks. What do you guys think? Is Brazil still a bargain? For hotels, food, etc. From what I can gather on boards like this it looks like it is very expensive compared to a few years ago.
I used to spend $2000 for 3 weeks and lived like a king (not in Rio but in Buzios, Parati, Angra, etc.). I had local contacts and friends and when in Rio I stayed in a GF's apartment. I think nowadays with this sort of budget it is absurd. Input?
Almotu!
You asked for best coverage and quality. That´s TIM without a doubt.
Oi and Claro are more mass oriented and TIM is quality and service oriented.
P
Misinfo:
It's all very easy.
5 years ago your 3 week stay cost you $2000= R7000 at 3.5 exchange rate.
The exchange rate is hovering around 1.90-1.95, (it fluctuates daily.) On the low side, it will cost you $3684 to cover R7000 and live like a king...
I'd round it off to $4000 just to be safe.
I remember the days when I returned home with $$$ in my pockets.
my .2
Dodger Bulldog
06-26-07, 02:57
poster below talked about spending $130USD to take a girl out of Franks. What do you guys think? Is Brazil still a bargain? For hotels, food, etc. From what I can gather on boards like this it looks like it is very expensive compared to a few years ago.I found it incredibly expensive.
Girls in the termas were no cheaper, and for only 40 minutes. But as a rule, their service (and the one from Frank's) was top notch.
Sure, I bargained down some independents at the cafes to 100 reals, but that is still not cheap. I have experienced better quality and performance in other Latin countries for $50 or less. That is top dollar almost anywhere else in Latin America.
I have never spent as much anywhere else, not even in Europe.
Plus, the taxis and meals and other expenses were high, too.
Sure, Brazil offers some fabulous girls and great experiences, but so do other destinations. No offense intended towards those of you who swear by Brazil, but no one country has a monopoly on beauty or service.
Some of it comes down to individual tastes, and some of it depends on where a monger started in this hobby. I will probably always be partial to Buenos Aires for sentimental reasons, since that is where I first became enlightened.
I am glad that I can say I earned my monger's stripes in Brazil, but unless the value of the dollar returns, I have to say that there are other places that are just as satisfying at a far more reasonable cost.
DB
Mr Enternational
06-26-07, 03:51
Yes, if you travel outside of your base city always dial 015-city code-number for where ever you call. There is a big difference in price when calling a land line and cell. Put a card in the payphone in Brazil and see how fast the credits tick if you call a cell. Then call a landline and it seems like the credits last forever. Even if you call a landline in Brazil from the US it is much cheaper than calling a cell phone. Call your long distance provider and they will give you the exact prices. I think it is like 5 cent or so more per minute to call a cell phone.
Thanks guys for your intel. I guess I am getting Claro then.
Mr E., when I am in SP with my cellphone and I call a SP number . . . I should dail 015-11-XXXX-XXXX? and if I call a Rio number then what? 015-21-XXXX-XXXX? or just the number?
If I call a landline, is there much difference in the cost per minute?
With Skype, it's 24.9 cents per minute to call a cell while it's only 6 cents per minute to call a landline. Quite a difference. Plus, when calling a cell phone in Brasil, the quality of the reception is quite awful. Best and cheapest way to call Brasil is through Skype, that is if both people have Skype. Oh and the best part is that the reception is amazing and it's FREE. :D
Brasil is a fabulous place, but it is getting on the expensive side. On my last trip, I spent nearly 10 grand in 4 weeks and the scary part is that I didn't do much mongering....Someone, somehow, something has to be done about the Real being so strong and the $ so weak...should we start a petition and send it both to Brasilia and Washington?:D
What do you guys think? I went to Brazil about 5 years ago and visited about 5 times in one year back when $1=are$3. 5. Shopping in Rio Sul or Barra Shopping or eating in Marius or Porcao with wine the check would be a crazy bargain. I am considering spending the winter in Brazil but I am not so sure. I think costs would be double what they were a year ago for an American with dollars. The poster below talked about spending $130USD to take a girl out of Franks. What do you guys think? Is Brazil still a bargain? For hotels, food, etc. From what I can gather on boards like this it looks like it is very expensive compared to a few years ago.
I used to spend $2000 for 3 weeks and lived like a king (not in Rio but in Buzios, Parati, Angra, etc.). I had local contacts and friends and when in Rio I stayed in a GF's apartment. I think nowadays with this sort of budget it is absurd. Input?
Someone, somehow, something has to be done about the Real being so strong and the $ so weak...should we start a petition and send it both to Brasilia and Washington?:D
NO!!!!
We should register to vote. Vote out the idiots currently in the White House and Congress. Then vote in some politicians who will put the interests of America and Americans FIRST and foremost, and not the interests of their corporate buddies (Halliburton, Kellog Brown and Root, Blackwater Security, any oil company, any defense contractor, any firm that uses lots cheap Mexican labor, any firm that uses lots of skilled Indian labor here on H1-B visas, etc.).
We, the people, need to get our act together and vote in responsible politicians who will create and execute responsible policies. We can't have huge budge deficits, huge trade deficits, and low taxes and not expect to pay the piper eventually. We are starting to pay the piper now!
While not claiming to be an expert in international finance - and certainly not disagreeing with voting out troglodytes like Bush - I think part of the problem as far as international relations and trade is concerned is exactly that Bush repeatedly ´puts Americans first´ - at least the rich ones - and not in a good way. The US has wasted vast amounts of money on another war that cannot be won, it has sunk to an all time low in international esteem, and it is not seen as an honest economic trading partner as far as South American companies/countries go. The US is incredibly insular and bases far too many deals on winning rather than on cooperation. Eventually people latch on. Of course, the mismanagement of the internal economy, as George90 points out, hardly helps matters.
I would love to go into this further but this is hardly the forum, guys!
NO!!!!
We should register to vote. Vote out the idiots currently in the White House and Congress. Then vote in some politicians who will put the interests of America and Americans FIRST and foremost, and not the interests of their corporate buddies (Halliburton, Kellog Brown and Root, Blackwater Security, any oil company, any defense contractor, any firm that uses lots cheap Mexican labor, any firm that uses lots of skilled Indian labor here on H1-B visas, etc.).
We, the people, need to get our act together and vote in responsible politicians who will create and execute responsible policies. We can't have huge budge deficits, huge trade deficits, and low taxes and not expect to pay the piper eventually. We are starting to pay the piper now!
RioFavelaboy
06-26-07, 16:49
Hey fellows just wanted to get some of you guys opinion on a touchy subject, this past weekend I was in one of the local malls here in a suburb of my city and low and behold I look up and see a garota I used to session with in Help about 3 years ago or so, we were good friends after that but she left the seen about a year and half ago.
I was shopping and Saturday and was surprised when I looked up and saw her walking with what I assumed to be her husband a baby and two other children little girls that were true very beautiful brasilaras.
I didn't look too hard as not to be rude, but again I was in shock a little bit, but I kept my cool and just nodded my head as not to just walk past and be rude. To my surprise she nudged her husband and both walked over to me and said hello.
I must admit fellows this situation felt strange but we said hello they basically just explained how long they have been together here in the states and just how they are enjoying raising a family here.
I just wanted to know how some of you fellows would have handled this type of situation?
Brazilians relish a new economic reality
BY JACK CHANG
In a fading neighborhood near this city's beachfront, a giant, 893-unit apartment complex still under construction is almost sold out, thanks to cheap financing that has helped hundreds of middle-class Brazilians buy in.
A few blocks away, stores are filled with shoppers snapping up imported televisions and household appliances, with many also buying on credit. Prices for such goods have dropped since the start of the year, thanks to Brazil's strengthening currency, the real.
With inflation low and the real strengthening against the dollar, this may be Brazil's finest economic moment in at least a decade. And people are taking advantage of it.
''Without a doubt, this is a new era for us,'' said Mauricio Costa, who manages two household appliance stores in the Rio de Janeiro area and has seen sales boom. ``Before, only people with a certain amount of wealth could afford to buy here. Now, everybody is coming in.''
According to some economists, Brazil, which is notorious for its booms and busts, has finally turned a corner. They predict a good, long spell of stable growth.
A NEW REALITY
Most Brazilians over the age of 30 can remember when that wasn't the case. The price of bread could double within days, and the local currency was on such a downward spiral that four times since World War II the government dropped three zeros and changed the currency's name.
Yet for more than a year now, Latin America's biggest economy has been on a roll.
Inflation and interest rates have hit record lows, which has spurred businesses to offer affordable credit for the first time in years and fuel a wave of consumer spending.
STOCKS SOARING
Foreign investors are also taking notice as Brazil's Bovespa stock index climbs to all-time highs, and the federal government runs huge primary budget surpluses on the strength of booming exports of iron, soy and other commodities.
Imports also have taken off as the real reaches its strongest levels against the dollar in six years, although some are concerned that the real may be overvalued.
Many Brazilians say they're making long-term economic plans for the first time in years.
Real estate agent Adhemar Costa, who has sold many of the units at the Rio de Janeiro apartment complex, said he remembers the days when hyperinflation, expensive credit and economic turmoil made his job a daily struggle.
With triple-digit interest rates, practically no one could afford financing, which meant people could buy property only by coughing up enormous down payments and paying off the principal within a few years.
DECENT INTEREST RATES
These days, many first-time home buyers are receiving financing of as little as -- by Brazilian standards -- 18 percent annually and paying it off in 20 years, Costa said. Inflation last year dipped to 3.1 percent, the lowest rate in nearly a decade.
''There's been a big change,'' he said. ``These new conditions have opened up the market.''
The Brazilian restaurant chain Spoleto, with 164 branches in Brazil, has taken advantage of cheaper financing to invest more than $3 million in foreign expansion and equipment, including U.S.-made ovens that are now more affordable due to the stronger real.
''We expect these conditions to continue, and we're investing for the long term,'' said Spoleto's financial director, Paulo Correa.
Others, however, aren't as optimistic and point out that Brazil still has a long way to go to compete globally.
Brazilians still pay the highest tax rate among developing countries, about 40 percent of salaries, and must deal with enormous government bureaucracies to do business. The International Finance Corp., a private-sector branch of the World Bank, recently ranked Brazil 121st out of 175 countries in the ease of doing business.
And although the country's economy is expected to grow by 4.5 percent this year, that's about half the rate of other developing countries such as China, India and neighboring Argentina.
EXPORT PROBLEMS
Export-based industries such as agriculture have been hurt by the strong real.
''We have two realities in Brazil at the moment,'' said Alencar Burti, president of the Sao Paulo Business Association. ``We have immense potential, like in our energy sector with ethanol production, but we're far behind elsewhere with our awful infrastructure and bureaucracy.''
Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva has tried to spur growth with an economic package that improves infrastructure, offers more credit to businesses and reduces taxes. Yet economists and business people say more dramatic changes, such as slashing government spending and reducing labor restrictions, are needed.
''There's a lot of reserve capacity in Brazil,'' said economist David Kupfer of the Federal University of Rio de Janeiro. ``We're in a good situation in the context of our history, but not so good in the international picture. This is the time to tackle the hard issues and make the reforms that will keep the country growing.''
El Austriaco
06-26-07, 20:36
Is Brazil still a bargain? For hotels, food, etc. From what I can gather on boards like this it looks like it is very expensive compared to a few years ago.
There's no way around it, Brazil has gotten a lot more expensive, especially for US tourists, over the past couple of years as a result of the tanking dollar and rising prices in Brazil. And you know what? There's really nothing anyone of us can do about it. Never thought I'd quote AA, but ""Lord give us the courage to change the things we can, the patience to accept the things we can't change, and the wisdom to know the difference." When it comes to the low dollar, well, I guess we just have to accept what we can't change.
Now, insofar as the courage to change the things we can is concerned, I think there are a few things everyone can do to counterbalance the cost increase:
1. Stay away from Copa, at least the beachfront hotels that are mostly frequented by tourists.
2. Stop eating at the Copa waterfront eateries and head to where the locals are eating.
3. Head to Centro and frequent P4P spots catering predominantly to Brazilian mongers.
4. Use public buses and the metro instead of taxis unless absolutely necessary.
5. Learn Portuguese to be better prepared to take advantage of special offers and avoid getting ripped off.
6. Negotiate better.
Not that all these measures will make Brazil as cheap as it used to be, but they will help mitigate the damage. IMHO, Brazil is still a bargain... but only for the budget-conscious and experienced cost cutter.
As to alternative destinations, well, keep in mind that the US dollar has gone down quite a bit compared to a lot of currencies, not only the real. Compare the Colombian Peso (COP), and you will see a very similar development. The only places that I can think of that haven't been affected at all by the nosediving dollar are countries that use USD as their official currency, i.e. Ecuador or El Salvador, to stay in the Americas. But of course, nominal prices there are on the increase, too.
But really, the fact that Brazil has gotten so much more expensive FOR US is really mostly a non-Brazilian issue. I guess sometimes you win, and sometimes you lose.
EA
Dodger Bulldog
06-26-07, 21:29
Actually, the dollar's performance has been surprisingly mixed.
The Colombian peso was slightly over 2200 when I went at Christmas 2006 and again in 2007 (2230). Now it is listed at 1970. That is a drop of about 11% for the dollar, but nothing like in Brazil.
In Argentina the dollar is stronger now (3.09) than in Sept 2004 (2.91).
In Guatemala, it has not changed much in the past two years (7.63 then, 7.72 now).
In Costa Rica the dollar has improved since October 2005 (480 then, 518 now).
I am going off my memory, so these figures are not exact. But they show that there are still countries where the dollar has escaped the trashing that Brazil has given it.
Kudos to Brazil and its economy!
DB
El Austriaco
06-26-07, 21:36
The Colombian peso was slightly over 2200 when I went at Christmas 2006 and again in 2007 (2230). Now it is listed at 1970. That is a drop of about 11% for the dollar, but nothing like in Brazil.
And years ago, like five years ago, the COP was trading at roughly 3000 per USD. When I was there at the end of 2005, it was more or less 2300.
You are right, compared to other currencies, the dollar hasn't dropped all that much. The Mexican Peso (MEX) would be another case, always hovering between MEX 10.50 and 11.00 per USD the entire four years I have been here.
I guess in Brazil, it's really a combination of a strong Brazilian economy, a generally week dollar and whatever not. Worst of both worlds for us right now, I'd say.
EA
Hey fellows just wanted to get some of you guys opinion on a touchy subject, this past weekend I was in one of the local malls here in a suburb of my city and low and behold I look up and see a garota I used to session with in Help about 3 years ago or so, we were good friends after that but she left the seen about a year and half ago.
I was shopping and Saturday and was surprised when I looked up and saw her walking with what I assumed to be her husband a baby and two other children little girls that were true very beautiful brasilaras.
I didn't look too hard as not to be rude, but again I was in shock a little bit, but I kept my cool and just nodded my head as not to just walk past and be rude. To my surprise she nudged her husband and both walked over to me and said hello.
I must admit fellows this situation felt strange but we said hello they basically just explained how long they have been together here in the states and just how they are enjoying raising a family here.
I just wanted to know how some of you fellows would have handled this type of situation?
I don't see your problem; they came up to you, so what were you going to say? I don't know you? Look chances are he already knows what she was so that's why she had no problem coming up to you. The only thing that could have been inappropriate is your response to them, like Gee now I know why I haven’t seen you in Help lately; I sure missed those BBBJ's.
On the other hand if they didn't come up to you then you might have a dilemma. Should you approach her or shouldn't you because you really don't want to expose her to him as to what you knew her to be. If I really wanted to speak to her in that case I might ask them for the time and then try to start up a conversation with them by noticing her Brasilian accent and speaking Portuguese to her. Find out if he speaks Portuguese and if he doesn't then talk to her in Portuguese and ask her what's up.
Another problem one could have is if they are in a mall or someplace with their significant other and they run into an old GDP friend. If they cam up to me and I was with someone I would immediately tell the GDP to speak Portuguese and then I would tell her that this is my amiga or mulher and leave me alone but nice talking to you.
RioFavelaboy
06-26-07, 22:29
I don't see your problem; they came up to you, so what were you going to say? I don't know you? Look chances are he already knows what she was so that's why she had no problem coming up to you. The only thing that could have been inappropriate is your response to them, like Gee now I know why I haven’t seen you in Help lately; I sure missed those BBBJ's.
On the other hand if they didn't come up to you then you might have a dilemma. Should you approach her or shouldn't you because you really don't want to expose her to him as to what you knew her to be. If I really wanted to speak to her in that case I might ask them for the time and then try to start up a conversation with them by noticing her Brasilian accent and speaking Portuguese to her. Find out if he speaks Portuguese and if he doesn't then talk to her in Portuguese and ask her what's up.
Another problem one could have is if they are in a mall or someplace with their significant other and they run into an old GDP friend. If they cam up to me and I was with someone I would immediately tell the GDP to speak Portuguese and then I would tell her that this is my amiga or mulher and leave me alone but nice talking to you.Thanx for the input RR, it wasn't a real problem it was just the situation was awkward do to the fact I used to session with her and here she is with her husband, it was just one of those things you just don't expect to happen to being 6000 miles away from RIO.
RR thanx though because my portuguese is good, and now I can see how to handle that kind of a situation because being shocked to see her just I got sort of buzzed and didn't think correctly.
Hey fellows just wanted to get some of you guys opinion on a touchy subject, this past weekend I was in one of the local malls here in a suburb of my city and low and behold I look up and see a garota I used to session with in Help about 3 years ago or so, we were good friends after that but she left the seen about a year and half ago.
I was shopping and Saturday and was surprised when I looked up and saw her walking with what I assumed to be her husband a baby and two other children little girls that were true very beautiful brasilaras.
I didn't look too hard as not to be rude, but again I was in shock a little bit, but I kept my cool and just nodded my head as not to just walk past and be rude. To my surprise she nudged her husband and both walked over to me and said hello.
I must admit fellows this situation felt strange but we said hello they basically just explained how long they have been together here in the states and just how they are enjoying raising a family here.
I just wanted to know how some of you fellows would have handled this type of situation?
I agree with Rio Bob, there was nothing "touchy" about the situation. You saw a girl you knew in the past, with her new man, nothing strange about that. You did the right thing by nodding and waiting to see how she would play it. I would have done the same exact thing, shook his hand, asked her how she was doing , cooed at the baby and then wished them well.
I remember an odd situation that happened with a GDP I knew in Rio. She had worked in Help for about 3 years before she met and fell in love with an American named "J". They had filled out a fiancee visa and were planning on getting married. One day they were shopping in Rio Sul, when they ran into a good friend of his from the states. (the guys used to be very close friends, but they hadnt seen each other in over 4 years)
Turns out, the girl had stayed with his buddy in the past (she had no idea that they were friends) Before J could introduce his fiancee, his buddy looked at her and laughing said to him "Oh Shit! You got a winner here!! Man, I hope you had a big dinner, you'll need alot of energy, she will fuck you all night long!!"
She told me it was real akward when J told him "This is my fiancee, we are going to get married". The friend was super embarressed because of his comments and the J was very angry, because he didnt know that she had fucked one of his best friends.
Mr Enternational
06-27-07, 02:04
Speak only if they speak first. I am coming from an immediate family point of view such as mother, father, cousins, kids, etc. You have to keep in mind that most of the ladies' families do not know they "work." So when you come up speaking with your strange accent or strange language the family is going to want to know where they know this foreigner from. You will put the woman in a position that she would rather not be in.
Trippleecks
06-27-07, 12:35
Taken from another Board.......
Today's News Flash.. I just passed his shop and it seems "Bobby" from Blameitonrio4rentals has flown the coop. Leaving many, many people holding the bag and owing a lot of people, a lot of money. The story on the street from his neighbors is, that he left town with his wife and stepson and went back to the USA. I hope that none of you had sent him deposits on apartments because I doubt there will be anything for you when you arrive. It seems his shop is closing down. There was work being done on it today and the word from the neighbors is that he just left town without saying a word to anyone. Typical Bobby.
Other posts on that board say that his Cambio closed a week or two ago as well. I'll have to make a few calls to see what I can find out. Anyone have more info on this ???
Leaving many, many people holding the bag and owing a lot of people, a lot of money.
I'm not surprised.
When you spend so much time in Brasil, you turn local.
Ive known Bobby for many years, I highly doubt if this story is true. The whole "Left owing alot of people money"stuff, just doesnt seem like something he would do.
I was in his office less than a week ago and he was laughing while telling me that all the rumors on the internet about him were false and not to believe everything I read. As far as the construction, I heard he was taking the cambio out and replacing it with washing machines.
Only time will tell
Ive known Bobby for many years, I highly doubt if this story is true. The whole "Left owing alot of people money"stuff, just doesnt seem like something he would do.
I was in his office less than a week ago and he was laughing while telling me that all the rumors on the internet about him were false and not to believe everything I read. As far as the construction, I heard he was taking the cambio out and replacing it with washing machines.
Only time will tellWhy in the world would somebody put washing machines in the office of a travel agency? That makes absolutely no sense to me. Well, it would be unique. And as you say, time will tell.
I know Bobby very well. He admitted to me a couple of weeks ago that the rumours of one of his staff members being caught for selling drugs out of the store was true.
I passed by the shop last week and Bobby said he is going to the US for 2 weeks. The current works is going to be a laundry he said. The cambio never worked and was pulled.
I do know that after the drug thing happended his shop has been like a ghost town, virtually zero customers. I would be betting 50/50 that Bobby will return. We will know for sure in a week or.
As far as the construction, I heard he was taking the cambio out and replacing it with washing machines.Only time will tellWell, if he's going to turn the whole place into a laundry, then that makes more sense. Although, looks like it would be one small laundry.
Bobby never had a cambio license. His partner in the cambio business did. And that guy pulled out after the drug thing happened. That's why the cambio closed. And the drug thing is certainly true because the guy was all over the Brazilian news.
Bobby also had 8 pending court cases--all former workers making claims against him. He said if the cases did not go his way, he would close the business and reopen in the same location, under a different business name, founded in someone else's name.
I don't know what happened but the above I am certain of. So he's been on somewhat shaky ground for a while.
Trippleecks
06-28-07, 12:36
Spoke with someone in his office and they said he is in the USA to open a Laundry-Mat there. What a crock of "Sh-t"... The new business name is supposed to be Blameitonriotravel. I doubt if that will help him with the court cases. I also doubt if he will open a laundry-mat in his location either. My guess is that he may not return.
Hi all,
I just wanted to make sure all you lucky ones in Brazil have a safe fire works day and the ones working hard at home in the land onf USA happy 4th of July.
Tiger
I wasn't sure where to post this question, so I'll just put it here.
Does anyone here have any contact info of webcam girls in Brasil, or any sites to recommend; either non-pro or pro, doesn't really matter to me. It's been a while since I've been back to Brasil and most of my contacts have disappeared. I have a couple still, so I would be more than happy to trade via PM if you'd like. I also have many from Spanish-speaking countries that I would be happy to share as well. Just FYI, I'm not talking about web-cam sex shows, or girls you have to pay to talk to, just girls to chat with online in Portuguese.
Thanks everyone.
Delaware Guy
07-04-07, 18:56
Does anyone here have any contact info of webcam girls in Brasil, or any sites to recommend; either non-pro or proCheck out Brazilcupid.com In order to chat I think you have to pay like $25 a month or something but you will be amazed at the number of 25. 35 yr old non-pros who will willingly chat with you, and will be quite enamored of you when you speak the language. I am sure some pros hang out there as well, but it seems to be mostly non pros looking for a gringo namorado. Be prepared to migrate to msn messenger, where you can chat with camera on. Also be advised that these girls will profess to have fallen in love with you by the second time you connect. But for a guy beyond the half century mark such as myself, it's quite an ego boost to have several 20 or 30 something garotas daily sending me messages expressing their interest in getting to know me better.
Hi
I'm visiting Rio for the 1st time next month. Just wonering if there anyone thats been to Rio before who might know a where to go to encourage my fetish for lingerie. Ie panties, stockings hose etc.
Many thanx for your help
Chay
Hi
I'm visiting Rio for the 1st time next month. Just wonering if there anyone thats been to Rio before who might know a where to go to encourage my fetish for lingerie. Ie panties, stockings hose etc.
Many thanx for your help
Chay
4*4 has some interesting skimpy "underwear" on display :D
1. In the past, Varig offer non Brasilian tourists 21 days Airpass good for 6 stops for US$500-. Varig is out of business, any new carriers offering Airpass to tourists?
2. The TAM and Gol airlines' website allow ticket purchase online. However, seems like they need a certain Brasilian ID (something like the SSN in US). Anyone of you (non Brazilian) who purchase ticket online without having to put in the SSN#?
3. Which is cheaper? Purchase ticket at the airport or online?
4. Which is cheaper? Advance 21 days purchase or Purchase at the airport and fly on the same day? Sounds like a dumb question but in the past, I have found 14-21 days advance purchase is the same fare as fly on the same day.
Thanks a lot.
Hi,
GOL has a brazilian number on their website you can call with an english speaking operator. The last times I have done this they were extremely helpful and very very cheap.
GOL will only accept AMEX credit cards.
Junior
Mr Enternational
07-07-07, 00:58
Varig is not out of business. Last time I checked they still had the Air Pass. It was about the same price for Varig and Tam. The initial offer said $500 but when they added taxes and stuff it was over $700.
The airlines' websites are different for U.S. (English language) visitors than it is for Brazilians. For instance, once I saw a price on the Brazilian version online. I called the U.S. reservations number to buy it, and the agent couldn't even see that particular fare on her computer.
Like Junior said, in order to purchase a ticket online you will need either an AMEX or a Brazilian issued Visa or Mastercard. The fares go up as the seats fill up on the particular flight. Many times the first flight is open and you will get a lower price, however no flights from the U.S. arrive in time to make that connection. But it is good if you are already in Brazil. I have been using Gol lately.
What I do is go online maybe a couple of days before I am arriving in Brazil. I find a fare that I like. Then I call the Brazilian reservations number. (551121253200 English option:3). Then I tell the agent the flights I want and get the price. Since I do not have an AMEX or other Brazilian credit card I ask to speak to the supervisor. The supervisor puts a hold on my reservation for a certain time. Then when I arrive in Brazil I go to the ATM to withdraw the funds, then I go to the ticket counter to pay cash for my ticket.
1. In the past, Varig offer non Brasilian tourists 21 days Airpass good for 6 stops for US$500-. Varig is out of business, any new carriers offering Airpass to tourists?
2. The TAM and Gol airlines' website allow ticket purchase online. However, seems like they need a certain Brasilian ID (something like the SSN in US). Anyone of you (non Brazilian) who purchase ticket online without having to put in the SSN#?
3. Which is cheaper? Purchase ticket at the airport or online?
4. Which is cheaper? Advance 21 days purchase or Purchase at the airport and fly on the same day? Sounds like a dumb question but in the past, I have found 14-21 days advance purchase is the same fare as fly on the same day.
Thanks a lot.
The airlines' websites are different for U.S. (English language) visitors than it is for Brazilians. For instance, once I saw a price on the Brazilian version online. I called the U.S. reservations number to buy it, and the agent couldn't even see that particular fare on her computer.
I suspect that is because the originating city is a big factor in the ticket price. You would tying that a RT fare would be the same regardless of the 2 cites involved but that is often not the case.
I have seen with TAM that Miami - Rio RT flights and Rio - Miami RT flights have different fares. Ususally when a flight on TAM originates in the US it is more expensive that the same route originating in Brazil. The fare options oin flight originating in Brazil would not be relevant to clerk dealing exclusively with flights originating in the US.
Hi fellow mongers,
I will be in Rio next month and I wanted to know if any one of you seen a hot pregnant GDP. Any help will be appreciated. Good ones are kind of hard to find but I am sure there out there.
Thanks again.
Tiger
Brazil Congress may eliminate visas
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
BRASILIA, Brazil -- A Brazilian congressional committee on Thursday approved a bill that aims to boost tourism by eliminating visa requirements for visitors from the United States and four other wealthy countries.
If passed by the full 513-member Chamber of Deputies, the law would ease the way for more tourists from the U.S., Canada, New Zealand, Japan and Australia, "because their purchasing power is high and because they spend money on tourism," said Congressman Carlos Eduardo Cadoca, the bill's author
Brazil's demand for tourist visas is based on the principle of reciprocity. For Americans traveling to South America's largest country, that means paying a $100 processing fee - the same amount the U.S. charges Brazilians for a tourist visa.
Cadoca blamed that policy for depressing tourism from the United States, noting that of the nearly 5 million Americans who visited Latin America last year, only some 730,000 came to Brazil.
"From an economic point of view, reciprocity is inefficient," Cadoca said.
....No date has been set for a vote on the bill.....Can anyone familiar with Brazilian law or politics estimate if or when this law would come to pass? Do bills that make it through committee tend to pass?
Also, I have heard that it is difficult to get a second 5 year tourist visa and that the consulate prefers to give one year extensions, especially to frequent visitors. Anyone have any experience with that?
(crossing fingers since my visa will expire in 2 years)
I started traveling to Brazil 5 years ago. The Chicago Consulate gave me a 5 year visa for that first trip. Since that first trip I've gone 3-4 times a year. That 5 year visa expired in April of this year. I applied again, and the Chicago Consulate again gave me another 5 year visa. :)
There was a fellow from a Passport service picking up the Visas. He was amazed that a good percentage of the passports had the 5 year visa. The consulate musta been in a good mood that day.
Trippleecks
07-09-07, 12:03
Edward M ... When Brazil wants to it can move quickly. However they ususlly move about as fast as a maple syrup river. So I would not count on this bill passing before your next visit to Brazil, whenever that might be.
Nodd, Thanks for your help. First of all I posted my questions in the General Section, not the Photo Gallery.
Second, thanks for your help. However, if I would have found what I was looking for I would not be asking the question in the first place.
So, if anyone else can answer the questions I posted it would be very helpful.
Thanks
Can anyone familiar with Brazilian law or politics estimate if or when this law would come to pass? Do bills that make it through committee tend to pass?
Also, I have heard that it is difficult to get a second 5 year tourist visa and that the consulate prefers to give one year extensions, especially to frequent visitors. Anyone have any experience with that?
(crossing fingers since my visa will expire in 2 years)
I got two 5-year visas in a row with no problem (from Los Angeles consulate). I have been hearing for years that Brazil was going to repeal the visa requirement, but to date it hasn't happened. I don't think it ever will, because it's a matter of national pride. Brazil requires visas only of visitors from countries that require visas of Brazilians, and it charges whatever that country charges Brazilians. A few years ago, when the US started requiring fingerprints and photos of foreign visitors, Brazil started requiring the same thing of Americans, and only of Americans. Apparently this caused American tourism to Brazil to plummet, so they quickly put a stop to it. But I fear the visa is here to stay.
L
Hi fellow mongers,
I will be in Rio next month and I wanted to know if any one of you seen a hot pregnant GDP. Any help will be appreciated. Good ones are kind of hard to find but I am sure there out there.
Thanks again.
TigerWell, in my opinion she not the greatest looking but some Amigos of mine are in Rio right now & they mentioned "Betty Booh!" Jane! Is pregnant AGAIN! She is always around MP & in Help from time to time! Judge for yourself though?
Also, I have heard that it is difficult to get a second 5 year tourist visa and that the consulate prefers to give one year extensions, especially to frequent visitors. Anyone have any experience with that?
(crossing fingers since my visa will expire in 2 years)
When I was going to Rio in the 80's, I was going about 6 times a year. The visas they gave then were only good for 90 days. I was getting 3 to 4 visas a year, had to add extra pages in my passports. You went in the morning and came back in an hour it was ready. Then I resumed my trips to Rio in 1997, sent my passport to NY consulate using a visa service. When it came back I couldn't believe that the visa was good for 5 years, I thought I was reading it wrong. Five years is a long time but it does go fast but not as fast as 90 days. I'm on my third 5 year visa now, if you are using a new passport then they don't have to know how often you go.
Hi fellow mongers,
I will be in Rio next month and I wanted to know if any one of you seen a hot pregnant GDP. Any help will be appreciated. Good ones are kind of hard to find but I am sure there out there.
Thanks again.
Tiger
I have never seen any on an escort site, but Im sure escorts can get pregnant too. Call them up maybe they have one but don't advertise. Through the years I have seen several at Help Disco, they even asked me if im interested but its not really my thing. Just once in South Beach Miami I did.
Mr Enternational
07-10-07, 00:52
I have been hearing for years that Brazil was going to repeal the visa requirement, but to date it hasn't happened. I don't think it ever will, because it's a matter of national pride. Brazil requires visas only of visitors from countries that require visas of Brazilians, and it charges whatever that country charges Brazilians. A few years ago, when the US started requiring fingerprints and photos of foreign visitors, Brazil started requiring the same thing of Americans, and only of Americans. Apparently this caused American tourism to Brazil to plummet, so they quickly put a stop to it. But I fear the visa is here to stay.
L
In International Trade that is called reciprocation. A country tends to do unto another what has been done unto it. If it is something positive then the response is equally or even more positive. If it is something negative then they respond with the same magnitude of or more negativity, even if it is costly to them and yields no material rewards (which is Brasil's case). They have actually shot themselves in the foot by requiring the visa. Their U.S. tourism is losing out big time to places like Costa Rica that don't require the extra effort and expense of acquiring a visa.
My guess is that the only reason the fingerprints and photos were stopped was due to complaints from the immigration officers who had to perform the extra duties without receiving extra pay.
When I was going to Rio in the 80's, I was going about 6 times a year. The visas they gave then were only good for 90 days. I was getting 3 to 4 visas a year, had to add extra pages in my passports. You went in the morning and came back in an hour it was ready. Then I resumed my trips to Rio in 1997, sent my passport to NY consulate using a visa service. When it came back I couldn't believe that the visa was good for 5 years, I thought I was reading it wrong. Five years is a long time but it does go fast but not as fast as 90 days. I'm on my third 5 year visa now, if you are using a new passport then they don't have to know how often you go.Is that a fact?!? I was assuming they kept some kind of database on this subject not just going on what is stamped on paper. My passport will expire a year after the visa does so I will see what happens when I renew one and then the other but that is still 2 years off.
Beach Star
07-10-07, 02:12
In International Trade that is called reciprocation. A country tends to do unto another what has been done unto it. If it is something positive then the response is equally or even more positive. If it is something negative then they respond with the same magnitude of or more negativity, even if it is costly to them and yields no material rewards (which is Brasil's case). They have actually shot themselves in the foot by requiring the visa. Their U.S. tourism is losing out big time to places like Costa Rica that don't require the extra effort and expense of acquiring a visa.
My guess is that the only reason the fingerprints and photos were stopped was due to complaints from the immigration officers who had to perform the extra duties without receiving extra pay.It is incredible that you guys see only one side. Check your statistics, after the Japanese. the Brazilians amount to the second largest group of tourists that visit New York, and more visit Miami and Florida. There are lot of rich Brazilians!
Bravo, its probably the best thing to happen to this guy that he said she fucks all night. Hopefully, it will remind him that he is marrying a damn prostitute. What is wrong with guys that marry these girls.
They have actually shot themselves in the foot by requiring the visa. Their U.S. tourism is losing out big time to places like Costa Rica that don't require the extra effort and expense of acquiring a visa.
You may be right, and maybe not. There is really no way to tell; it's purely conjectural. To find out to any degree of certainty, you would have to conduct a survey of all tourists (in those countries from whom Brazil requires visas) who don't go to Brazil and see how many would otherwise go if there were no visa. I can't imagine anyone going to the expense of doing such a survey, except maybe the Brazilian government. They would then have to weigh the cost in lost tourist revenue against the revenue gained from the visa fees.
Frankly, I can't imagine anyone seriously interested in traveling to Brazil being deterred by a visa. After all, visas are required by China, Russia, and India (among many others), and there is no lack of tourists to those countries. And I certainly can't imagine anyone except a hard core monger (like myself) going to Costa Rica instead of Brazil because of a visa. I think the poor exchange rate is much more of a deterrent than a visa. This is why I think the visa is here to stay.
L
Mr Enternational
07-10-07, 05:15
Is that a fact?!? I was assuming they kept some kind of database on this subject not just going on what is stamped on paper. My passport will expire a year after the visa does so I will see what happens when I renew one and then the other but that is still 2 years off.
Then you will have to do like me, which is carry your cancelled passport with the Brazilian visa along with your new passport when going to Brazil.
Mr Enternational
07-10-07, 05:42
It is incredible that you guys see only one side. Check your statistics, after the Japanese. the Brazilians amount to the second largest group of tourists that visit New York, and more visit Miami and Florida. There are lot of rich Brazilians!
That was never up for discussion, however since Brazil has the 5th largest population in the world maybe it can be seen as be true theoretically. I would have to disagree though that there are a lot of rich Brazilians (depending on your definition of rich) seeing that their gross national income per capita is only $3460 (74th in the world). The wealth is extremely unevenly distributed (second only to Bangladesh) so much that the country is classified as third-world. Most of the money that is in the hands of only a few is old money that has been passed down from the sugar plantation and coffee baron days. Most Brazilians that I know have not even been out of their home city or region, not to even speak about being out of their country.
Beach Star
07-10-07, 09:06
That was never up for discussion, however since Brazil has the 5th largest population in the world maybe it can be seen as be true theoretically. I would have to disagree though that there are a lot of rich Brazilians (depending on your definition of rich) seeing that their gross national income per capita is only $3460 (74th in the world). The wealth is extremely unevenly distributed (second only to Bangladesh) so much that the country is classified as third-world. Most of the money that is in the hands of only a few is old money that has been passed down from the sugar plantation and coffee baron days. Most Brazilians that I know have not even been out of their home city or region, not to even speak about being out of their country.I am not disputing the income per capita, and clearly agree on the uneven distribution of income. Seems you only meet the less privileged majority, but look at the lines at immigration at GRU or GIG and you will see there are miilions that travel outside Brazil. On internal flights you will also see millions traveling each day and if you ask at the luxury stores on Madison Avenue or Piccadilly you will see Brazilians are amongst the most sought after tourists in NYC and London
If you check out the girls at the termas also, you will see that many will admit that the big spenders are Brazilians not foreign tourists in Rio. It will suit many to say that they always prefer the rich gringos but.
It is not just, but a fact, that the uneven distribution of income produces distortions at both ends of the scale. There are hardly any middle class Brazilians, especially in Rio, by our US or European definition, but a large number of very rich Brazilians, and not just a few sugar or coffee barons.
Beach Star
07-10-07, 09:21
That was never up for discussion, however since Brazil has the 5th largest population in the world maybe it can be seen as be true theoretically. I would have to disagree though that there are a lot of rich Brazilians (depending on your definition of rich) seeing that their gross national income per capita is only $3460 (74th in the world). The wealth is extremely unevenly distributed (second only to Bangladesh) so much that the country is classified as third-world. Most of the money that is in the hands of only a few is old money that has been passed down from the sugar plantation and coffee baron days. Most Brazilians that I know have not even been out of their home city or region, not to even speak about being out of their country.There is no disputing the income per capita, and clearly agree there is a very uneven distribution of income. Seems you only meet the less privileged majority, but look at the lines at immigration at GRU or GIG and you will see there are miilions of Brazilians that travel outside Brazil. On internal flights you will also see millions traveling each day and if you ask at the luxury stores on Madison Avenue or Piccadilly you will see Brazilians are amongst the most sought after tourists in NYC and London.
If you check out the girls at the termas also, you will see that many will admit that the big spenders are Brazilians. not foreign tourists, in Rio. It will suit many to say that they always prefer the 'rich' gringos but......
It is not just, but a fact, that the uneven distribution of income produces distortions at both ends of the scale. There are hardly any middle class Brazilians, especially in Rio, by our US or European definitions, but a large number of very rich Brazilians, and not just a few sugar or coffee barons. Go check out the boats at Angra or Buzios!
First time traveler to Brazil and will be visiting Sao Paulo next month on business for 6 days. I will be staying in Alphaville at the Quality Suites and was interested in knowing what the hobbying options are in that area. I specifically would enjoy having a couple "all nighters". Any help is appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Then you will have to do like me, which is carry your cancelled passport with the Brazilian visa along with your new passport when going to Brazil.Thanks for the info but that is not what I meant. My question is, if I have a new passport with no visa and then go to the consulate to get one, are they going to realize that I already had a visa and made x trips?
Trippleecks
07-11-07, 14:16
They will know you had a Visa and when you last entered Brazil, how long you were there and when you left... So be honest on the application or you may not get another Visa.
Mr Enternational
07-11-07, 15:24
I don't think it matters the number of trips you have made in the past. The application only asks if you have ever been in Brazil before. As far as the rules of issuing a visa, I don't know how it works. When I applied for the last one and wanted to make sure it was a 5-year visa, the secretary at the office in Miami told me that she doesn't know how the vice-consul decides anything and I would just have to see how it comes back. Then I tried to get a jeitinho in and asked if I could see him but she said no. I know people who have obtained a 5-year visa and others who have obtained only a 90-day, but I do not know of anyone who has been completely turned down.
I will be staying in Alphaville at the Quality Suites and was interested in knowing what the hobbying options are in that area. I specifically would enjoy having a couple "all nighters". Any help is appreciated..
Alphaville is a soulless gated condominums "city" with absolutely no options, at about 30 kms west of Sao Paulo.
Good luck.
Thanks for the info but that is not what I meant. My question is, if I have a new passport with no visa and then go to the consulate to get one, are they going to realize that I already had a visa and made x trips?
They are more interested in the number days spent in country, not number of entries/exits/trips.
If you lost your passport w/visa, Brasil requires you to get another visa for your new passport, irregardless, if you had one before or not.
The Policia Federal does have records of your visit in Brasil in their database. Passports are primarily looked up by your passport number, however, info can always be xreferenced, eg., name, address, etc. As for their consulates having access to this DB, I'm almost certain.
Yes, like suggested by our brothers, be honest on your application. Tell them you lost your passport. Cheers!
Trippleecks
07-13-07, 12:49
Brazil is getting more up to date with immigration.. "THEY SCANNED MY PASSPORT" when I arrived in Rio last visit.. So they now "DO" have a record of when you arrived and how long you stayed..
They scanned my passport late last year in Sao Paulo. I chatted with the immigration dude and he said they are rolling out the new system and it should be everywhere within a year or 2. I am not sure how accurate it will be. I have been going across the land border of late into Uruguay and Argentina. 50% of the time there is no one stopping my leaving or entering. Hence sometimes I have no exit stamps or entry stamps. They nearly always stamp my passport on the other side, but not always, hence I am not even sure anymore how long I have stayed in Brazil this year.
Brazil is getting more up to date with immigration.. "THEY SCANNED MY PASSPORT" when I arrived in Rio last visit.. So they now "DO" have a record of when you arrived and how long you stayed..They scanned mine when I landed in Sao Paulo this past April.
Does anyone know how to order back issues of the Brazilian Playboy? (March 2007).
Loso
When does the Brazil visa tourist expire?
You will either be issued a 90 days or 5 years visa.
RioFavelaboy
07-16-07, 08:19
Does anyone know how to order back issues of the Brazilian Playboy? (March 2007).
LosoI think will help you Loso check it out.
http://www.amazon.com/Playboy-March-Issue-editors-Magazine/dp/B000NJL9EE
That's the US Playboy, Riofavelaboy. The Brazilian Playboy is a lot more difficult to find. :(
Loso
That's the US Playboy, Riofavelaboy. The Brazilian Playboy is a lot more difficult to find. :(
Loso
Try a used book store in Rio. If it doesn't have used magazines, ask where used magazines can be bought. "Quero comprar um Playboy velho -- marco dois mil sete" (2007).
Just curious how Colombia compares to Brazil for short term stays (vacation) and longer term stays (month +).
From pics and videos alone, I love Brazillain women. Big hard athletic asses that even the fitness girls here in the states dream of with thin waists is my type of girl. Plus the very open sexuality that they ooze with agressiveness seals the deal.
But Im guessing if one wants to semi-retire that Brazil would be more expensive than Colombia. I love the culture and warm people of Colombia, not sure how Brazil would compare.
This is why I think Colombia (Colombian women are gorgeous, but dont have the bodies that Brazillians have) may edge Brazil for longer stays.
Colombia is cheaper as far as food, taxis, apartments, and for pros (although I would be hunting the non-pros if I was to stay there longer)
Curious as to what your opinions are. Ive never been to Brazil but planning on a trip at the end of the year.
Thanks
Wanderer1000
07-17-07, 23:32
It always interests me when I visit Rio and hear the stories about guys falling for the girls and sending them money, marrying them, etc. I'm sure there are some happy endings out there, but so many of the stories come off as sucker stories.
I have a favorita from one of the termas, and I was talking with her about her sexual past. She had her first experience with a guy at 17, and she was faithful to him for about four years before it ended and she started working the termas. She has a great sense of humor, and always makes me feel very special. But, as she was telling me about her past, she laughed and said I was her 2,987th sex partner. I laughed back and asked her if I was special. Of course I was!
I wonder how many of the guys that come to Rio and end up falling in love and sending money, etc. ever think of themselves as number 2,987. Never forget how good a girl's acting can get with this much experience.
Professor 1
07-18-07, 01:21
She has a great sense of humor, and always makes me feel very special. But, as she was telling me about her past, she laughed and said I was her 2,987th sex partner. I laughed back and asked her if I was special. Of course I was!We are all special people, regardless of what we do and what our special people do. However, limits, as you know, exist. You made a very, very good point. It should appear at the beginning of all groups like this, with the requirement that you read it prior to reading the posts.
Mr Enternational
07-18-07, 02:05
Although you have never been to Brazil to fairly make a comparison, it seems like you have already got everything figured out. And to add a bit of my PERSONAL EXPERIENCE (so don't take it as law), IMHO, Colombians are much more reliable/dependable than Brazilians.
Just curious how Colombia compares to Brazil for short term stays (vacation) and longer term stays (month +).
From pics and videos alone, I love Brazillain women. Big hard athletic asses that even the fitness girls here in the states dream of with thin waists is my type of girl. Plus the very open sexuality that they ooze with agressiveness seals the deal.
But Im guessing if one wants to semi-retire that Brazil would be more expensive than Colombia. I love the culture and warm people of Colombia, not sure how Brazil would compare.
This is why I think Colombia (Colombian women are gorgeous, but dont have the bodies that Brazillians have) may edge Brazil for longer stays.
Colombia is cheaper as far as food, taxis, apartments, and for pros (although I would be hunting the non-pros if I was to stay there longer)
Curious as to what your opinions are. Ive never been to Brazil but planning on a trip at the end of the year.
Thanks
El Austriaco
07-18-07, 05:57
Just curious how Colombia compares to Brazil for short term stays (vacation) and longer term stays (month +).
I guess it's hard to compare two countries as big as Colombia and as huge as Brazil without being more specific in terms of locations. Which places are you most interested in in Brazil?
From pics and videos alone, I love Brazillain women. Big hard athletic asses that even the fitness girls here in the states dream of with thin waists is my type of girl. Plus the very open sexuality that they ooze with agressiveness seals the deal.
(...) This is why I think Colombia (Colombian women are gorgeous, but dont have the bodies that Brazilians have) may edge Brazil for longer stays.
To tell you the truth, personally, I think that Colombianas have bodies that are at least as hot as the Brazilians. In any case, we are really splitting hairs here: both countries are fantastic in terms of women.
Colombia is cheaper as far as food, taxis, apartments, and for pros (although I would be hunting the non-pros if I was to stay there longer).
Again, that statement is hard to verify/falsify without referring to specific places. Personally, I think that Colombia is easier in terms of non-pros than Brazil, where Portuguese is an absolute must to go that route (I am assuming you speak Spanish, with all your Colombia experience under the belt). One of the things that I have always liked about Rio, specifically, is that there are tons of pros you can do for USD 10.00 off the beaten track, while in Colombia, I have never heard of that, so I would have to disagree that pros are necessarily more expensive in Brazil (even at the current exchange rate). So in a way, I don't really know what to tell you...
Check out some of my posts comparing Rio to Cartagena (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=422385&postcount=24) as well as Rio to Barranquilla (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=568297&postcount=545). Maybe they help to get a first inkling.
Cheers,
EA
I guess it's hard to compare two countries as big as Colombia and as huge as Brazil without being more specific in terms of locations. Which places are you most interested in in Brazil?Mainly Rio. The comparison would lean towards Rio vs Bogota as they both are hot spots for tourists. Though Bogota seems to remain a virgin in terms of having many gringos knowing about it as being a hot spot.
Im also curious as to San Paulo as well. It seems like the place to go in Brazil once you graduate from Rio and get familiar with the language, customs, traditions, etc. Sorta like going to Costa Rica first before you venture out the better spots in Latin America.
To tell you the truth, personally, I think that Colombianas have bodies that are at least as hot as the Brazilians. In any case, we are really splitting hairs here: both countries are fantastic in terms of women.Yeah, probably is splitting hairs here. Both countries have fantastic women, but I really yearn for that thick athletic lower body types. In Cali I saw a good amount of women with that type of figures though I wasn't blown away.
In the the casas they were slim and toned, but still it was hard to find that super big booty-thin waist type.
From the videos Ive seen and the pictures, I was blown away with the bodies of Brazilian women. But like you said, overall, it's splitting hairs. Both countries with beautiful women.
Again, that statement is hard to verify/falsify without referring to specific places. Personally, I think that Colombia is easier in terms of non-pros than Brazil, where Portuguese is an absolute must to go that route (I am assuming you speak Spanish, with all your Colombia experience under the belt). One of the things that I have always liked about Rio, specifically, is that there are tons of pros you can do for USD 10.00 off the beaten track, while in Colombia, I have never heard of that, so I would have to disagree that pros are necessarily more expensive in Brazil (even at the current exchange rate). So in a way, I don't really know what to tell you...
Thanks for the information btw. That is the one thing I really need to brush up on is speaking Portuguese. I may be able to get by on a short trip or vacation in Rio, but for longer term stays I know I will not get away with it as far as the non-pro scene goes. Colombia (or at least Cali) really shines in the non-pro scene department. In fact, what makes Colombia so awesome for me is the non-pro scene and the people there (aside from the farcs, mafias, etc). The regular pro mongering scene in Cali is so-so.
Actually, in Colombia, you can do pros close to the $10 price range. These places are harder to find and the quality is not that good but they are out there. In Cali, you pretty much do get what you pay for. Expect hardly any cleavage, fatter, older, pencil leg types in the lower end casas. Of course, there are typical diamonds in the rough to be found. I actually enjoy finding the diamonds out there in the lower end casas even though it can be tough. At least the adventure is there.
From what Im guessing, Rio has probably higher quality girls in the lower end casas than say your average city in Colombia.
I am now going to check out your reports (though I did get a quick peak and thats really cool how you do a detailed comparison).
I'll give you a link here to see where I'm coming from, but I've practically lived in Cali for quite some time and know the ins and out of both sides of the mongering coin from pro to non-pro.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=618137&postcount=1989
Does anyone know how to order back issues of the Brazilian Playboy? (March 2007).
Loso
Sorry, I don't know how to order them, but there are a lot of bancas da revista which sells used Playboy's in good shape. One good spot to check out are the bancas just after Rua da Carioca 56, in Centro.
Some info for you frequent travelers to Brazil.
The World's Worst Airline
By Elizabeth Spiers
Sunday, July 22, 2007; B02
TAM Linhas Aereas is the worst airline in the world. I've been saying that since early April, when my boyfriend and I took a short vacation in Brazil and returned happy with our stay but traumatized by the air travel. So last week when a TAM Airbus 320 on an inbound domestic route skidded off the Sao Paulo airport runway, tried to take off again, and crashed into a cargo building owned by the same carrier, exploding on impact and incinerating nearly 200 people, I felt angrily (and okay, smugly) justified in my condemnation.
It's not entirely TAM's fault that it's a terrible airline; it's also Brazil's fault. And this crash illustrates why.
We flew TAM from New York to Sao Paulo and then to Manaus, back to Sao Paulo then to Rio de Janeiro, back to Sao Paulo again, then back to New York, all in the space of nine days. Every flight was delayed by hours or canceled. My boyfriend, who has been a travel writer for more than 15 years and has landed on runways consisting mostly of grass, with a cinderblock terminal building and the local welcoming party covered in nothing but mud and chicken feathers, also insists that TAM provided the worst air travel he has ever experienced.
Some of the delays were bureaucratic and intrinsic to TAM, but many of them were intrinsic to the state-run airports. It's difficult to manage foot traffic in relatively small terminals that were not designed to handle a large number of travelers.
In many cases, the semblance of order was considered just as good as actual order, and the most obvious manifestation of this pseudo-organization is the creation of neat rows of people. Passengers are kept in line, literally and figuratively. For us, this often meant standing in line for an hour in order to be allowed to stand in another line, which in turn led to another line, which was, if we were lucky, the ticketing line. Then there was the security line, the boarding line and sometimes another security line, in case the first one missed the inevitable bottle of breast milk or tube of hair gel a would-be terrorist might use to hijack a plane.
Standing in line was second only to waiting while receiving no new information as the quintessential experience of Brazilian air travel. After finally boarding a flight from Manaus to Sao Paulo, we sat for several hours and were served dinner by the flight crew. Perhaps because flight officials feared an overnight stay on the Manaus runway, we were told to disembark because the flight was canceled. More than an hour later, the luggage arrived.
Not content to leave the airport without one last episode of standing in line, we waited to get vouchers for the designated hotel, the Taj Mahal, which in giant gold letters affixed to the entrance declared itself a five-star establishment and featured a revolving rooftop restaurant with an Astroturf floor and a view of Manaus's more colorful trash bins. After our scenic breakfast the next morning, we arrived several hours early at the airport, stood in line for the requisite half a day and waited expectantly to be told that our flight was delayed. We were not disappointed.
As we watched customers scrambling between the gate for Buenos Aires (marked "New York") and the gate for New York (marked "Buenos Aires"), it was unsurprising to find a woman in front of us in the middle of a nervous breakdown, screaming at a TAM attendant and crying hysterically. It was very surprising to find that no one else was screaming.
The larger problems can be attributed to the constraints under which Brazil forces TAM to operate. Nearly every flight to a major Brazilian city from a major metropolitan area is compulsively routed through the largest city in the country. If you want to fly direct, it probably won't be on a Brazilian carrier. As it happens, the largest city's airport has the most infamously short runway. The runway at Sao Paulo is 6,362 feet long -- 641 feet shorter than that of La Guardia and too short for the pilot of TAM Flight 3054 to land safely on a wet surface, which caused him to try to take off again, with catastrophic results.
This is normal procedure in Sao Paulo. Pilots are instructed to do it when the allotted stretch of runway won't suffice. To add to the risk, the runway was repaved in June, which may have resulted in the already dangerously short stretch being dangerously slippery as well.
If you manage to make it safely onto or off the runway, you still have to contend with Brazilian air-traffic control, which is run by the Brazilian military, an increasingly disenfranchised institution that has resisted transition to civilian control -- perhaps because in peacetime, it needs reasons to justify its existence. Air traffic infrastructure is woefully out of date; upgrading it, while ultimately necessary, is considered too expensive. The consequences of Brazil's patchy radar system were particularly apparent in September when a Boeing 737 operated by another major Brazilian airline hit a private jet over part of the Amazon, with 154 casualties -- an event that led air-traffic controllers to strike, saying they were being unfairly blamed.
The alternative would be to force Brazilian air travel to conform to the limitations of the country's existing infrastructure. This would mean scheduling fewer flights, which would result in less revenue from tourism, which is increasingly responsible for the country's economic growth. State officials are not willing to do this, either.
As long as the Sao Paulo runway remains too short, the air-traffic controllers remain underpaid and poorly equipped, the market remains uncompetitive, and state officials remain in denial about the inevitability of more accidents stemming from overcapacity in an already strained system, the likelihood that last week's accident won't be (as news reports called it) "the country's worst air disaster" will only increase. And however gorgeous Brazil is, I won't be heading back anytime soon.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/20/AR2007072002139_pf.html
I'm not sure how that report showed why TAM Linhas Aereas is the world's worst airline. The commentary repeatedly said that the problems were due to the Brazilian government micromanaging the air-travel industry. At first, I wondered why the title of the commentary would have little to do with the content, but then I noticed it was published by the Washington Post and realized I shouldn't be investing too much brainpower into this.
I mean, come on... what do you expect when the airlines are as close as possible to being nationalized without actually having to say so, and the airports themselves actually are nationalized?
It's sheer absurdity to call TAM the world's worst airline. I've been quite satisfied every time I've flown them. That so-called journalist should try flying Aeroflot or any of the national airlines of the former Soviet republics now in the CIS. Not to mention Garuda, Air China, Air India, or any of many African airlines.
L
I read the article, it's more an opinion than based on facts.
So I Googled airline ratings and found this:
http://www.airlinequality.com/
the website for Skytrax gives TAM 3 stars out of a maximum of 5.
"3 Star Rating awarded to airlines supplying a fair Quality performance that conforms to an industry "average" of acceptable product and service standards. The 3 Star ranking signifies a satisfactory standard of core Product for most travel categories - but may reflect inconsistent standards of Staff Service and/or Product delivery across either the Onboard or Airport environments."
Benjoe & Sperto,
Thanks for the advice. But I'm at home in Belgium these days. :(
Loso
Mr Enternational
07-23-07, 03:40
I want you to help me. I want to know if I am one of those suckers, too. I met a girl in a webcamsite 8 months ago. She is from Rio de janeiro. She gave me her emailadress and her phone number. But I wasnt the only one who got this things from her, other visitors of this site, too.
At first, we met once a week in msn and wrote mails to each other. Her mails were like: Hi baby, how are you? You miss me? . I was so stupid to fall in llove with her, couldn't control my feelings for her. So, as she realized that I am not just a gringo who wants to meet her and get her into bed the first night, she changed. She didn't ignore me anymore and she didn't see me just as one of her "friends" from internet. So we talked now everyday for hours in msn, as well as on the phone. There were times where she called me, just to hear my voice that she has missed. 3 months ago she told me that she has fallen in love with me too. I was surprised and happy. But I didn't feel very comfortable with that situation, this was not the truth that she told me. I had my doubts.
She always knew that I am a poor student, who even doesnt have money to visit her in Rio. She never wanted money or any gifts from me, only my company, my presence, she told me. She loved to talk with me, cause we were some kind of soul connected, she told me. Now we still have contact, in secret. So wonder after all this time: what does she want from a broke student like I am? She gets money and everything she wants from her sugardaddy. What the f. She needs me? What you experienced guys think about my story?
Thanks
Rionewbie
Of course she needs you. You have gotten yourself caught up in the friend zone. To her you are just like one of her girlfriends who she can talk to everyday about life. The only difference is that you have a dick (that she has no intentions of using). You will not go anywhere with this chick. She knows you can't go to Rio. Heck, if you Could go to Rio she wouldn't even meet with you. Women just want someone to listen. And you are doing just that and only that. For her you are just a sounding board that she can bounce her voice off of and the best part of all is that she doesn't have to worry about you trying to fuck her. You are like her gay friend, without being gay. Get out while you can. Go cold turkey with her. You can't miss what you never had!
So wonder after all this time: what does she want from a broke student like I am? She gets money and everything she wants from her sugardaddy. What the f. She needs me?
The answer is $.
In one way or another she propably hopes you to be one of her future money cows.
Sandman0011
07-23-07, 05:03
It is called networking. The more guys she has on the hook the more money she is likely to get (maybe not now but possibly in the future after you graduate).
You sent her all the right clues that you can be had at some point. You professed your love, you have spent time chatting with her, you have told her she is the one for you, you have told her you do not have money now but she knows you will graduate soon and have a regular job, that you will not be able to see her often but when you can you will shower her with love and presents. CHACHIING$$$$ She has a sugar daddy from Europe that can't control her even with his money. You think the age difference means a hill of beans to her??? I was never with a girl over 25 for 2 years there. I am double that age!!!
My young friend, forget about this girl. You mean nothing to her. Take it from a veteran monger who lived in Rio for 2 years. You mean nothing to her (sorry to bust your bubble) except a possible future income stream.
Also, quit being a wussy with women especially garotas. They are fierce and will take you for every cent you are willing to send them.
Good luck but get a grip on your emotions before you find yourself walking down the aisle saying the worst two words in the English dictionary---"I do"= "I am fucked"
I know folks, you can't keep a kid from doing harm to himself but I just have to try.
Reminds me of a story I heard one time.
There was a bad storm along the southern Mississippi coast. This old guy sees this kid walking along the beach picking up sand dollars that had washed up on the beach and were dying by the thousands. The kid was picking up sand dollars and throwing them back into the water.
The old man walks up to the kid and says, "what are you doing? There are thousands of sand dollars washed up on the beach dying. Why are you wasting your energy trying to save them?"
The kid looked up at the old man and said, "for the ones I throw back, it makes a difference!"
The answer is $.
In one way or another she propably hopes you to be one of her future money cows.
I kept a note of some sample costs over the past few months which may be of some help to those planning a trip. This is just what I spent. There’s no claim to authoritative prices. Applies to Rio unless otherwise stated. Where they could be read misleadingly I’ve tried to add a note. Happy spending!
BTW if people are scouring countries (as I occasionally do), it’s an extra screen to go and look up the currency conversion. So although I’ve quoted local currency (Real):
If you’re American you want to divide by two
If you’re British, divide by four
If you’re European, divide by three.
(This is a very rough guide only – at time of writing, the real is worth $0.54, £0.26, or E.39.)
SAMPLE COSTS
*O Globo newspaper 2R
* airmail for postcard to Europe R2
* airmail for postcard to US R1.80
*Herald &Tribune (right wing English-language newspaper) R10
*Viagra: 4x100mg: at airport R177, at Farmacia d.Leme R156, at R.Acre38 R130
*pack of 6 large condoms R5.40
*Mr Cat patent leather shoes R104 (reduced slightly in a sale)
*Red Bull (regular S'mkt offer, usually a bit more) R5.99
*4 French rolls R1.02
*Taxi from airport to Tijuca (end of rush hour): R30 inc tip
*Tijuca dorm bed, one night: R46 (+R3 for towel)
*Apartment in Copa: R2800 for 62 nights (a bit less than 45R p.n. – but this is after several years – expect to pay a bit more than this)
*Metro R2.30
*Bus R2 (anywhere, except long journeys to city outskirts, or if it has Air/Con)
*Taxi VM village to Copa 25R
*Opera ticket @ Municipal (standby, gallery) 5R (but top sopranos will cost 200R)
*SIM card 19R
*cotton pillow case 6R
*cotton dbl sheet 17R
*gym 100 per month
*internet 6R per hr
*kilo of rice R1.55
*laundrette svc wash 21R
*cheap powerspeakers 20R
*tier 1 terma R200 (roughly, all inc)
*tier 3 terma R1 per min or less
*24hr negotiated rate for upper middle-range hooker - eg a girl who works out of boite and asks for 150-200+ upfront for a couple of hours: R100 (but expect to pay min. 150 or 200 if you haven’t learnt to play the game)
*Mr Cat belt R50
*B'fast @ Mabs R25
*Ruas (A-Z) R30
*M&Ms (52g) R1.99
*beach sarong R12
*bus to Macae (1way) R27.50(volta)/33.90(ida)
*ticket at Maracana R20
*R30 Home delivery pizza (35cm) & small choc pizza (ie meal for two)
*Cinema ticket R15
*taxi to Barra de Guaratiba (Tia Palmira restaurant) 80R
*Tia Palmira 80R (59R plus coffee caipirinha tax)
*One course at Meridien's L'Etoile restaurant 111R (60 +salad caipirinha tax)
*four apples 3R
*beach bed hire 5R
*Sugar Loaf cable car 35R
*Cialis 4x20mg R104.90
*6 enormous fresh prawns (4" after trimming, over an inch across) from S'mkt R14
*bus to Terasopalis R18
*Terasopolis Hotel Pousada R35 p.n. en suite
*Sleeper (Leito, fully reclining seats) bus to Belo Horizonte R99
*Room, Rio Jordao Hotel, B.Horizonte, p.n. R35
*1st class train ticket from Belo to Vitoria 60R
*Wimbledon Hotel in Belo with jacuzzi inc breakfast 95R
*Camburi Praia Hotel Vitoria 60R
*Taxi from train station to Camburi Praia 38R
*Vitoria bus R1.70
*Bus from Victoria to Rio 57R
*taxi (evng) from Rodoviaria (Bus Station) to Mimosa 10R
*shower at Novo Rio Rodoviaria R3.50
*buffet lunch at the Meridien 55R
Gentlemen!
Let me give you an advice. Please do not try to travel by air in Brasil.
Since the last disaster in Gongonhas airport the whole airtravel collapsed into a clusterfuck that is beyond belief.
Flights are delayed and cancelled, airlines are lying their assess off. Trying to get reliable info on flights is impossible and so on.
So if you have limited timeschedule, go by bus and that way you will get to your destination.
Kinda impractical taking the bus from the good ol US of A to Brazil! LOL
Even flying in to another South American Country and taking bus to Rio would be difficult.
I wonder how long it would take from Chicago to Rio by bus?
Cruise ship maybe, if I had months off.
Well.
Maybe I was a little unclear on what I meant.
Traveling by air INSIDE of Brasil is a clusterfuck.
If you want to go from Rio to SP or vice versa its better to use a bus.
If you want to go from Rio to Fortaleza, please be prepared to spend some days in airport.
International fligths are working a bit better, but......
Did you get it now???
These guys are telling it to you straight.
She has a sugardaddy she doesn't love, but she's milking him for cash. Why do you think she would stop? She is used to lying, she lives a lie, and you can't trust what comes out of her mouth. The world is just one big *****house to girls like this. They know their game. They know how to get at you. That's what they do.
Listen, I've got an ex in Rio who regularly trawls for new suckers on MSN. And she TELLS me about it. She doesn't like her Sugar Daddy, so she's looking for some new guy to take care of her financial needs so she can get rid of him.
If her name is Giselle, you're fucked ;)
Don't fall for the bullshit man.
It is called networking. The more guys she has on the hook the more money she is likely to get (maybe not now but possibly in the future after you graduate).
You sent her all the right clues that you can be had at some point. You professed your love, you have spent time chatting with her, you have told her she is the one for you, you have told her you do not have money now but she knows you will graduate soon and have a regular job, that you will not be able to see her often but when you can you will shower her with love and presents. CHACHIING$$$$ She has a sugar daddy from Europe that can't control her even with his money. You think the age difference means a hill of beans to her??? I was never with a girl over 25 for 2 years there. I am double that age!!!
My young friend, forget about this girl. You mean nothing to her. Take it from a veteran monger who lived in Rio for 2 years. You mean nothing to her (sorry to bust your bubble) except a possible future income stream.
Also, quit being a wussy with women especially garotas. They are fierce and will take you for every cent you are willing to send them.
Good luck but get a grip on your emotions before you find yourself walking down the aisle saying the worst two words in the English dictionary---"I do"= "I am fucked"
I know folks, you can't keep a kid from doing harm to himself but I just have to try.
Reminds me of a story I heard one time.
There was a bad storm along the southern Mississippi coast. This old guy sees this kid walking along the beach picking up sand dollars that had washed up on the beach and were dying by the thousands. The kid was picking up sand dollars and throwing them back into the water.
The old man walks up to the kid and says, "what are you doing? There are thousands of sand dollars washed up on the beach dying. Why are you wasting your energy trying to save them?"
The kid looked up at the old man and said, "for the ones I throw back, it makes a difference!"
[QUOTE=Chingon]Kinda impractical taking the bus from the good ol US of A to Brazil!.... I wonder how long it would take from Chicago to Rio by bus?/QUOTE]
Not only impractical but impossible. The farthest you could get by bus, or any other overland vehicle, from the US is Panama, because you can't cross the Darien Gap by road. This isn't likely to change anytime soon, because the Panamanian government wants to keep it that way; they're afraid that if they built a road through the Darien Gap, there would be a flood of Colombian drug traffickers into Panama. They're probably right. You can also be sure that the US government is pressuring Panama to keep it that way too.
If you are really adventurous enough to want to travel to Brazil overland, your best bet would be to take a bus as far as Panama City, fly to Caracas, take a bus to Manaus, then a boat down the Amazon to Belem, then by bus from Belem to Rio. It would be an arduous journey, but it can be done. Good luck if you try it!
Lorenzo
Sandman0011
07-25-07, 03:49
Maybe this will sum it up better for you. I always liked this guy;
http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/so-you-wanna-marry-that-colombianita-you-found-in-the-internet/
These guys are telling it to you straight.
She has a sugardaddy she doesn't love, but she's milking him for cash. Why do you think she would stop? She is used to lying, she lives a lie, and you can't trust what comes out of her mouth. The world is just one big *****house to girls like this. They know their game. They know how to get at you. That's what they do.
Listen, I've got an ex in Rio who regularly trawls for new suckers on MSN. And she TELLS me about it. She doesn't like her Sugar Daddy, so she's looking for some new guy to take care of her financial needs so she can get rid of him.
If her name is Giselle, you're fucked ;)
Don't fall for the bullshit man.
Maybe this will sum it up better for you. I always liked this guy;
http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/so-you-wanna-marry-that-colombianita-you-found-in-the-internet/
Yes, this is funny ("fucking funny", if you ant to use his language). But I would not be surprised to learn that this guy still lives with his mother and is broadcasting from her guest bedroom ;)
If you want to go from Rio to SP or vice versa its better to use a bus.First timer going down next month. How long and how much is the bus trip from SP to Rio?
Thanks in advance.
http://www.passagem-em-domicilio.com.br/expresso%20brasileiro.asp
About 6 hrs SP to Rio, price depends on your comfort level, route, (where you board in SP) and bus company: between R60-R80/one way.
RioFavelaboy
07-25-07, 16:46
http://www.passagem-em-domicilio.com.br/expresso%20brasileiro.asp
about 6 hrs sp to rio, price depends on your comfort level, route, (where you board in sp) and bus company: between r60-r80/one way.me and the gf went down to sp by bus in may, very comfortable ride left from downt town central station and took about 5 1/2 hours going but only 4 1/2 hours coming back.
r$60.00 apiece going and coming back, finding a hotel was no problem just wasn't impressed with the night life, reminded me a lot of ny.
if you are on a budget for hotel i'll suggest formula1 it's an accore hotel so if you are familiar with motel6 you know what the room will be like but all of these hotels are new and modern with high speed internet for i think 8 or 9 real extra.
i'll attach a pic of the bus very comfortable. enjoy seems to be a lot safer than spending the 200.00r on a flight from rio.
Sandman0011
07-25-07, 17:45
If he is still living with his mother, he gave all the reasons why in the video. LOL
Yes, this is funny ("fucking funny", if you ant to use his language). But I would not be surprised to learn that this guy still lives with his mother and is broadcasting from her guest bedroom ;)
Markfromky
07-26-07, 13:28
I need cheap airline tix for late August.
Flying out of the midwest.
Can anyone help me?
El Austriaco
07-27-07, 05:03
Check this site out if you are headed to Copacabana (Help Discoteca) in Rio de Janeiro www.****************.com
Very skeptical about this site after taking an initial look yesterday when it was first posted here, I checked out the Portuguese language version today, which was specifically written to attract girls, who can advertise for free (no suprise). This is really a gem, and it would be a crime to withhold it from the esteemed members of the board, for general amusement. For those that don't speak Portuguese, I have provided a translation of the actual Portuguese copy on the site (the translation is mine, just like any emphasis added). Enjoy, guys.
Original Portuguese text (at /member-portuguese.htm):
"Nosso novo e exclusivo serviço de apresentação ajudará você a fazer amizades com homens dos Estados Unidos e da Europa, mas mais importante ainda, conhecer homens estrangeiros antecipadamente ajudará você a se sentir mais segura e protegida antes que você o conheça na Discoteca HELP ou Meiapataca.
Você pode usar o nosso serviço para conhecer homens estrangeiros, profissionais, com dinheiro que moram no Rio e não gostam de encontrar mulheres na rua, em restaurantes ou em clubes. Também, você pode marcar encontros privados em lugares seguros e desfrutar de prazeres íntimos com homens que vão a Discoteca HELP para encontrar Mulheres Bonitas em Copacabana."
Here's my translation:
"Our new and exclusive introduction service will help you make friends with US and European men, but more importantly even, getting to know foreign men ahead of time will help you feel safer and more protected before getting to know them at HELP or Meiapataca (sic) .
You can use our service to get to know foreign professionals with money who live in Rio and do not like to meet women in the street, in restaurants, or in clubs. You can also set up private meetings in safe locations and enjoy intimate pleasures with men who go to HELP to find Beautiful Women in Copacabana."
On a side note, the questions that will probably keep me sleepless are:
- If a Brazilian GDP (because let´s not mistake about it, the site is targeting Brazilian GDPs or wanna-bes, plain and simple) manages to meet a clueless newbie of this site, why would she ever want to meet him at Meia Pataca or, gasp, Help, with tons of other girls around?
- And why would any of the guys the site is supposed to attract possibly sign up for it? The Rio expatriates that do not like to meet women in the "street, restaurants, or clubs" will have their reasons why not and will look through this scheme in no time, and the men who go to HELP to find "beautiful women in Copacabana" will know a lot of the girls advertising here from... you guessed it... HELP.
Just for comparison, here is what the English version of the site says (their English copy at/member-english.htm). Note the differences to the translation provided above:
"Our new, unique, introduction service will help you create friendships with men from the United States and Europe, but more importantly, knowing a foreign man in advance will help you feel more secure and safe before you meet him in Rio de Janerio.
You can use our service to meet professional foreign men who don't like meeting women on the street, restaurants, or clubs. Also, you can arrange private meetings in safe places to enjoy intimate pleasures with the men who come to meet the Beautiful Women of Copacabana."
Conclusion:
If there was ever any doubt left that this site is nothing more than a pretty pathetic attempt at ripping off hapless Rio newbies by creating the impression that they are meeting non-pros while, in fact, the site clearly and deliberately targets Copacabana hookers to meet them, I guess this doubt has been conclusively crushed.
In other words, for those who don't already know: everything you ever need to know about getting laid in Rio, you will find right here at ISG for free :)
EA
Member #4378
07-27-07, 08:40
I need cheap airline tix for late August.
Flying out of the midwest.
Can anyone help me?
You can find fares for 800-900USD from MSP, DTW, ORD. I dont know if you are looking even cheaper fares?
Very skeptical about this site after taking an initial look yesterday when it was first posted here
ROFL. I recognise one of the girls from one of the cheaper Centro knock-shops. Was tempted to contact her - she's nice too - then I thought, "I'd rather keep to the present 30R rate." ;-)
Markfromky
07-27-07, 14:14
You can find fares for 800-900USD from MSP, DTW, ORD. I dont know if you are looking even cheaper fares?I found tix for less than 800, but just hoping for something better.
Exec Talent
07-27-07, 19:07
I found tix for less than 800, but just hoping for something better.
You say you found fares for less than $800, but you don't say where. In these kind of posts the best way for you to have approached us as a new comer would have been.
I have found fares for $xxx on yyy site, anyone know where I can purchase tickets for less?
If you post where you found them now, at a minimum you can help the guy who was paying more than $800.
Markfromky
07-28-07, 00:08
You say you found fares for less than $800, but you don't say where. In these kind of posts the best way for you to have approached us as a new comer would have been.
I have found fares for $xxx on yyy site, anyone know where I can purchase tickets for less?
If you post where you found them now, at a minimum you can help the guy who was paying more than $800.I just assumed that people on this site would do the same amount of research as I have. For those who would like to know. I found the tix at United.com. They are going up everyday, but 771, out of Chicago, end of August. I realize my mistake, in the future I will give all info I can.
It's the off season so....
AA Netsaver $778.70 fare: tax, fees included: Chicago to Rio, fly between Aug 30 and Dec 13, maximum 60 day stay.
El Austriaco
08-01-07, 02:47
According to the bid, there is a total of four new stadiums to be built from scratch. In particular, a new stadium is planned to be built in Maceió, Alagoas, with a capacity of 41,400 spectators, to honor its most famous son, Mario Zagallo, the coach of the 1970 WC-winning team. In addition, new stadiums are slated for construction in Natal (capacity 50,800) as well as Recife (35,400) and Salvador da Bahia (40,000).
Another 14 cities have proposed comprehensive remodeling of already existing venues, including Belém, Belo Horizonte, Brasilia, Campo Grande, Cuiaba, Curitiba, Florianopolis, Fortaleza, Goiania, Manaus, Porto Alegre, Rio Branco, Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo. According to information provided by the Brazilian authorities, FIFA plans to accept no more than ten venues, although the Brazilian Soccer Confederation (CBF) intends to try and increase this number to at least 12.
Despite the fact that Brazil is the only bidder after Colombia withdrew its bid back in April, FIFA has clarified that Brazil is still not guaranteed to host. FIFA will render its final decision on October 30. Final clarifying details can be submitted by October 29.
Bid details from Standard.at. Additional info from http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/soccer/07/31/bc.soc.wcup2014.brazil.ap/
EA
RioFavelaboy
08-06-07, 01:40
Hey fellas,
Check this article out! I still don't believe what I'm reading here.
http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8533/54/
Hey fellas,
Check this article out! I still don't believe what I'm reading here.
http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/8533/54/
I don't think this is in effect now. Looks like Brazil has to waive the USA visa and a few other things before this will take effect.
Off Road:
Why don't you think this is in effect now? Bush signed the bill, it's law. I've Google search, and have found very little info. It's not even on the State Department website nor the DHS site. The US media has not reported this, guess it's not newsworthy.
I only found one report about reciprocity at
http://www.etravelblackboard.com/index.asp?id=67682&nav=13:
"...in return the US will request that the selected countries also reply in kind for US visitors."
When we started fingerprinting and photographing foreign visitors, Brazil started doing the same soon afterward.
Here's the requirement that will prevent some Brazilians from coming to the US, found at:
http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/without/without_1990.html
"Important Notice:
International travelers, who are nationals of Visa Waiver Program (VWP) countries, seeking to travel to the United States without a visa, should review this important information on passport requirements for travelers under the Visa Waiver Program (VWP). All VWP travelers, regardless of age or type of passport used, must present individual machine -readable passports. Previous one-time exemptions for first-time VWP travelers without MRPs ended June 26, 2005. In addition, depending on when VWP travelers’ passports were issued, other passport requirements apply:
* Machine-readable passports issued or renewed/extended on or after 10/26/06 – requires integrated chip with information from the data page ( e-Passport link).
* Machine-readable passports issued or renewed/extended between 10/26/05 and 10/25/06 – requires digital photograph printed on the data page or integrated chip with information from the data page.
* Machine-readable passports issued or renewed/extended before 10/26/05 – no further requirements.
* Temporary, emergency, official and diplomatic passports are exempted from biometric digital photo and chip requirements, but must be machine-readable.
* Italian, French and Temporary German Passports (link to their requirements)
If a traveler cannot meet all of the requirements, he/she must obtain a visa for entry to the United States, and cannot travel without a visa on VWP. See Visa Waiver Program on the DHS, Customs and Border Protection (CBP) website for additional information."
Anyone know if Brazil is issuing Passports with the integrated chip?
RioFavelaboy
08-06-07, 19:25
Off Road:
Why don't you think this is in effect now? Bush signed the bill, it's law. I've Google search, and have found very little info. It's not even on the State Department website nor the DHS site. The US media has not reported this, guess it's not newsworthy.
Anyone know if Brazil is issuing Passports with the integrated chip?Hey Chingon,
I'm going to make a call today if the Brasi's haven't left the office yet and see if they are issuing these new passports, you know this makes since fellows because just as the U.S. can scan our passports to check if we are wanted or whatever they check for, should be the case for all other countries as well, I can see now this would make the Visa requirement a mute point.
The passport is entered into a database that will say if you are worthy of entry or not.
Thanx Chingon again for the info.
I'll try and place a call to a contact I have in Rio to see if they are indeed issuing these passports.
Riofavelaboy
Off Road:
Why don't you think this is in effect now? Bush signed the bill, it's law. I've Google search, and have found very little info. It's not even on the State Department website nor the DHS site. The US media has not reported this, guess it's not newsworthy.
I only found one report about reciprocity at
http://www.etravelblackboard.com/index.asp?id=67682&nav=13:
"...in return the US will request that the selected countries also reply in kind for US visitors."
When we started fingerprinting and photographing foreign visitors, Brazil started doing the same soon afterward.
Here's the requirement that will prevent some Brazilians from coming to the US, found at:
http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/without/without_1990.html
"Important Notice:
International travelers, who are nationals of Visa Waiver Program (VWP) countries, seeking to travel to the United States without a visa, should review this important information on passport requirements for travelers under the Visa Waiver Program (VWP). All VWP travelers, regardless of age or type of passport used, must present individual machine -readable passports. Previous one-time exemptions for first-time VWP travelers without MRPs ended June 26, 2005. In addition, depending on when VWP travelers’ passports were issued, other passport requirements apply:
* Machine-readable passports issued or renewed/extended on or after 10/26/06 – requires integrated chip with information from the data page ( e-Passport link).
* Machine-readable passports issued or renewed/extended between 10/26/05 and 10/25/06 – requires digital photograph printed on the data page or integrated chip with information from the data page.
* Machine-readable passports issued or renewed/extended before 10/26/05 – no further requirements.
* Temporary, emergency, official and diplomatic passports are exempted from biometric digital photo and chip requirements, but must be machine-readable.
* Italian, French and Temporary German Passports (link to their requirements)
If a traveler cannot meet all of the requirements, he/she must obtain a visa for entry to the United States, and cannot travel without a visa on VWP. See Visa Waiver Program on the DHS, Customs and Border Protection (CBP) website for additional information."
Anyone know if Brazil is issuing Passports with the integrated chip?
I was just reading articles on the internet, nothing was difinitive. My GF will get her passport next week, so I can tell you if it has a chip..
Mr Enternational
08-07-07, 13:26
This is what was included in the email that I received about the situation:
The title of this article should be "Brazilians MAY not need a
Visa........ .". I just now read the news in Estadão.Here is the link:
http://www.estado. com.br/editorias /2007/08/ 04/pol-1. 93.11.20070804. 5.1.xml
------------ ----
Newsroom has given wrong information. According to the last paragraph
of the "Estadao", not all brazilians will be able to participate in
the program and some will continue to need a visa. In order to be
qualified for the program, Brazilians citizens will have to register
with the NSA. The agency will then make a decision and I am sure the
information will have to include a stool, blood and DNA sample.
Thats a bad link Mr E. I searched estado.com.br and didn't find the report. Can you cut and paste it here?
Obrigado
Thats a bad link Mr E. I searched estado.com.br and didn't find the report. Can you cut and paste it here?
Obrigado
http://www.estado.com.br/editorias/2007/08/04/pol-1.93.11.20070804.5.1.xml
I emailed the USA embassy asking about the bill that was passed the visa waiver program, if brazil was added.
Their reply:
Brasil has not yet been added to the program, but may be eligible in the future. This could take many years.
Hopefully not too long. It's a new law, it may take a little time for the US bureaucracy to figure out how to implement it. It's safe to assume the Brazilian government is for it, as Lula spoke to Bush about adding Brazil to the Visa Waiver Program.
I think you are both right and wrong. For me who loves Brasil so much, a tourist visa will definitely not deter me from going. However, I am sure Brasil also lose a lot of casual tourists who truly do not have a strong motivation to visit with Brasil one way or the other. Personally (against, not scientific research and purely anecdotal), I have known three friends although all are not "hobbyists". The first, a couple purchased tickets and reserved hotels in Rio but one week before departure, they learned that they need Visa and decided "why bother" and switched over to Mexico. Another couple travelled with two kids, also fell in the same category, instead they went to Argentina - most American thought S. America is all like Mexico so Argentina vs. Brasil ain't make a difference :). Third, a single gentleman but he was looking for eco tourist, again, did not know Brasil requires Visa and also switched to Argentina. Brasil is trying to promote the country as a vacation land for family, for "good tourists" (as opposed to hobbyists like us :)), the visa rules certainly is not "helpful".
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Frankly, I can't imagine anyone seriously interested in traveling to Brazil being deterred by a visa. After all, visas are required by China, Russia, and India (among many others), and there is no lack of tourists to those countries. And I certainly can't imagine anyone except a hard core monger (like myself) going to Costa Rica intead of Brazil because of a visa. I think the poor exchange rate is much more of a deterrent than a visa. This is why I think the visa is here to stay.
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According to a US State Dept. report, over 90% of Brazilians who received non immigrant visa ended up violating visa rules and becoming illegal aliens. This explains why it is so difficult and almost impossible for Brasilians to obtain Visa to US. Visa Waiver? Not likely. Also, my understanding (please correct me if I am wrong) about the Visa Waiver program is tied in to the travel habit (as the number of ppl comply with Visa rules and return to their home country after visiting US) plus economic standing (Income per capita) of the country. Giving Brasil Visa Waiver is like giving Mexico Visa Waiver. If you think 12-20 million illegal is too much a problem, wait until you get the Visa Waiver program. So, until Pheonix AZ snows in July, not likely.
Hopefully not too long. It's a new law, it may take a little time for the US bureaucracy to figure out how to implement it. It's safe to assume the Brazilian government is for it, as Lula spoke to Bush about adding Brazil to the Visa Waiver Program.
There is no doubt the requirement for a visa to enter Brasil for US passport holders costs them visitors. I had to get something sorted in Buenos A, ARG, and visited the Brazilian consulate there several times. I heard at leasts 10 US passport holders just give up and not go to Brazil when they found out they need a visa. Even if it costs them 5 % of visitors, that is billions of dollars in lost $, something Brazil badly needs. Before anyone says the Brazilian economy is doing fine and doesn't need cash, yeah it is doing fine, but it needs another 20 years of growth like it has experienced over the last few years just to catch up to a lower level western country. It needs every cent it can get.
I have travelled to a shit load of countries, Brasil is the most inefficient, un business friendly economy I have ever seen.
Visa Waiver? Not likely. Also, my understanding (please correct me if I am wrong) about the Visa Waiver program is tied in to the travel habit (as the number of ppl comply with Visa rules and return to their home country after visiting US) plus economic standing (Income per capita) of the country. Giving Brasil Visa Waiver is like giving Mexico Visa Waiver. If you think 12-20 million illegal is too much a problem, wait until you get the Visa Waiver program. So, until Pheonix AZ snows in July, not likely.
The bill adding several contries, including Brazil, to the VWP was already passed and signed. So they are being added, just taking time to implement. It would be interesting to forward my response from the consulate here to my USA senators and congressman, to see that they signed a bill and the civil workers fee it will be YEARS to implement.
Llantarnam
08-13-07, 22:11
Would like to stay in a good quality hotel while in Rio on holiday. I assume this means no girls in the room.
If you can't go back to your hotel, where do you do the dirty deed? Are there short time hotels in Copa?
Al Zachrison
08-14-07, 00:28
Hello Fellow Mongers,
I was going to take a mongering destination in Thailand but I might change my plans and head to Rio, I prefer juicy spanish asses and legs over skinny asian chicks any day of the week, however, I have some concernes with Rio, I will highly appreciate your feedback and will post my trip report:
1. Thailand is a very safe destination, however, I heard that violent crime is regular in Rio, is this true? what are some precautions can a single guy take? how is the area around the HELP disco ?
2. How much is short or long time in Rio, in U.S. Dollars?
3. What is the AIDS/HIV situation here?
4. Is it better to call an escort agency, in terms of security and disease free girls? what are their average rates?
5. Would you consider Buenos Aires, Argentina to be the alternative to Rio? nice juicy asses, much safer, and less disease stricken women?
I will really appreciate your help guys, thanks.
P.S. Don't know much about Brazil other then they kick ass at the World Cup every four years.
Would like to stay in a good quality hotel while in Rio on holiday. I assume this means no girls in the room. If you can't go back to your hotel, where do you do the dirty deed?
Take-home is not necessary if you want to do the "dirty deed". Go to a terma; they have cabinas right there.
Are there short time hotels in Copa?
Yes, they are called Motels and can be rented by the hour. (... I think! I have never done this, because I always make a point to stay in hotels, where you can bring home your catch ;)).
If you can't go back to your hotel, where do you do the dirty deed? Are there short time hotels in Copa?True.
Even if you're lucky enough to stay in a suite at the "Copacabana Palace", you won't be able to bring a GDP.
There are 2 motels well known in Copa, expensive though (R$ 95 for 6H) : Copa Mar, rua Santa Clara and Vanity, near the disco Help.
I recommend the motels in the way to São Conrado, through the Avenida Niemeyer: VIP's, Sinful, etc... Cheaper and well agenced.
U.
Hello Fellow Mongers,
1. Thailand is a very safe destination, however, I heard that violent crime is regular in Rio, is this true? what are some precautions can a single guy take? how is the area around the HELP disco ?
2. How much is short or long time in Rio, in U.S. Dollars?
3. What is the AIDS/HIV situation here?
4. Is it better to call an escort agency, in terms of security and disease free girls? what are their average rates?
5. Would you consider Buenos Aires, Argentina to be the alternative to Rio? nice juicy asses, much safer, and less disease stricken women?
1. There occurs lots of crimes in Rio. Use your common sense and don't look like a Christmas tree with lots of gold and watches and you'll be fine.
2. Depends what you do and where you go. Anything between US$ 50-300(?)/day.
3. More than 600'000 people infected with HIV/AIDS.
4. I guess escort girls might be safer. Anyway you better use a condom, unless you like russian roulette.
5. Not for me. The women in Argentina are also beautiful, but they don't have the wonderful attitude that brazilian women has.
P.S Read Bubba Boy's Rio guide.
There are 2 motels well known in Copa, expensive though (R$ 95 for 6H) : Copa Mar, rua Santa Clara and Vanity, near the disco Help.
One more:
Hotel Copa Linda, Av NS Copacabana 956.
Being diabetic I take a fair number of prescription meds including insulin. What are the rules/regs regarding bringing my meds into/out of SP Brazil? Do I declare them when I arrive? What would the ramifications be if they find a dozen or so syringes in my luggage. All the meds are in the original pharmacy labeled bottles. Thanks in advance for the responses!!
Being diabetic I take a fair number of prescription meds including insulin. What are the rules/regs regarding bringing my meds into/out of SP Brazil? Do I declare them when I arrive? What would the ramifications be if they find a dozen or so syringes in my luggage. All the meds are in the original pharmacy labeled bottles. Thanks in advance for the responses!!
First of all, it's unlikely that Brazilian authorities will search your bags. At least I've never had mine searched, although they may X-ray them. If your meds are in their original pharmacy bottles, there should be no problem. I travel with meds all the time. As for the syringes, if you show them the insulin in the pharmacy bottles, again there should be no problem. BTW, diabetes in Brazilian Portuguese is pronounced ja-BET-chesh. Really.
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Fun And Sun
08-17-07, 01:05
hello fellow mongers,
i was going to take a mongering destination in thailand but i might change my plans and head to rio, i prefer juicy spanish asses and legs over skinny asian chicks any day of the week, however, i have some concernes with rio, i will highly appreciate your feedback and will post my trip report:
1. thailand is a very safe destination, however, i heard that violent crime is regular in rio, is this true? what are some precautions can a single guy take? how is the area around the help disco ?
2. how much is short or long time in rio, in u.s. dollars?
3. what is the aids/hiv situation here?
4. is it better to call an escort agency, in terms of security and disease free girls? what are their average rates?
5. would you consider buenos aires, argentina to be the alternative to rio? nice juicy asses, much safer, and less disease stricken women?
i will really appreciate your help guys, thanks.
p.s. don't know much about brazil other then they kick ass at the world cup every four years.al,
have only been to rio once, and thailand once, but they are two very very different destinations, imho. things in pattaya and bangkok seemed to me to pretty much start at 10am, get going at around 8pm, and finishes at 2am. my impression of rio (from one trip only) is that things pretty much start at midnight and go to 5am (if you want to go out to clubs and such, if you only want to do escorts and termas you can still keep to a non-nocturnal schedule).
girls are also very different in terms of mentality, rio girls are more fun whereas i found the thai girls to be more placid and (fake) sweet. both has its charms of course, but i prefer the rio girls. rio girls won't put up with the same crap as the thai girls either. you can have gfes with both of them, but in my experience the thai girls are more into pampering you while the rio girls make you, well, feel a bit more alive. didn't have a single rio girl starfish on me.
pattaya and bangkok are also both very safe, you are pretty much fine to walk the streets at night at your leisure, and will stay safe as long as you don't do anything really really silly. read the local english language paper and there seemed to be daily reports of tourist deaths, but mainly from heart attacks from having to much fun, what a way to go? :) [if anyone reading this has had a friend go this way, i by no means mean to poke fun at that, please don't be offended.] in rio i stuck to a no walking the street at night instead always take taxis policy, don't get too drunk policy, always hold my drink in my hand policy, don't draw any attention to myself policy, don't tell anyone which hotel i'm staying at policy, don't [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) anyone of policy, you get the picture. save for the need for having taken and passed street smarts 101, keeping your wits about you becomes a force of habit after a little while and won't interfere with your enjoyment of mongering and nonmongering activities.
also, and maybe controversially, there is a very large percentage of knuckledraggers among the mongers in pattaya that it's just not nice to be in the same gogo bar or beer bar as. a bit of that at help, but felt that rio is much more, well, upscale. some of the things that people get up to in thailand in terms of disrespecting the locals would lend you in serious trouble in rio.
and, also a bit controversially, you need a bit of game to have the most fun in rio. thailand takes zero game, you can traverse the streets at night wearing a speedos and flipflops (for clarity, i never tried this... :) and still get ushered into any gogo or beer bar and get the girl you want (at maybe a slightly higher rate).
just my opinion on the differences between the two, have only been to each one, still new to the mongering game, and not trying to start a discussion of the relative merits of the two types of mongering experiences, but thought this could be helpful for you on deciding on your destination.
regards
fun and sun
editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Does anybody have the Maracana stadium soccer match schedule for Sept? Trying check out a match.
Somebody has a comprhensive list of internet escorts in Sao Paulo and Rio?
Thanks
IT
I'll share photos and opinions...
:D :D
Somebody has a comprhensive list of internet escorts in Sao Paulo and Rio?
Here is the link to the Bubba Guide:
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=565336
It has a list on page 34. If you don't want to do bother with this, here is the main paragraph:
http://www.scortshow.com.br/
http://www.karlamodels.com.br/ or http://www.karlamodels.net
http://www.lindasmodels.com/ (the Kman had good luck with this agency first up, second up the 2 girls were definitely not the same on the site, in fact they were so large he commented that maybe they ate the other 2 girls on the site)
http://www.barravips.com.br/
Avoid:
www.viprj.com.br crappy operation with only a few girls despite having numerous photos on their site. Notorious bait and switch
You can also find a more extensive listing at
http://www.riosexsite.com/
Does anyone care to start a top ten places to go for mongering in each of the cities in Brazil? I have never been there but thought it would be helpful to many people. If you agree, please respond and send your list. It will also be fun to see how each person rankings vary.
Thanks.
Crusader560
08-18-07, 02:20
Well fellas, brazil has finally gone crazy. This has to be the dumbiest shit i have ever heard of, and scary also. Brazil to pay for sex-change operations Fri Aug 17, 5:29 PM ET
BRASILIA (AFP) - Brazil's public health care system will cover the cost of sex-change operations, the government said after a federal court ruled the procedure was a constitutional right.
To qualify for health care, the operation will first have to be approved by a panel of doctors, after appropriate psychological and medical evaluations are made of the patient, the Health Ministry said in a statement.
The ruling issued late Thursday by the Regional Federal Court of Porto Alegre, in the south, sided with the Public Ministry's (ombudsman's office) argument that sexual reassignment surgery was a constitutional right, along with human dignity, equality, privacy and health care.
The government in the lawsuit maintained it lacked the funds to pay for sex-change operations, but said it would not appeal the court ruling.
The court's chief judge Rober Raupp Rios said the ruling would prevent self mutilation by people with sexual identity problems.
The Ministry of Health estimated the cost of sex-change operations in Porto Alegre at about 1,000 dollars, and that as many as one Brazilian in 10,000 could be seeking one.
During 2000-2007, Brazil carried out 250 sex-change operations, the ministry said.
Here is the link to the Bubba Guide:
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=565336
It has a list on page 34. If you don't want to do bother with this, here is the main paragraph:
You can also find a more extensive listing at
http://www.riosexsite.com/
If you need you can go at mine comprehensive Russian work!
Thanks a lot... will write down who and what I'll do.
IT ;)
Sandman0011
08-18-07, 17:54
I am not trying to be contrary and I certainly do not mean to offend but if MX has to say the word it is actually; ha-BET-chesh.
The J's are always pronounced like an H.
Hope that helps.
Tchau
First of all, it's unlikely that Brazilian authorities will search your bags. At least I've never had mine searched, although they may X-ray them. If your meds are in their original pharmacy bottles, there should be no problem. I travel with meds all the time. As for the syringes, if you show them the insulin in the pharmacy bottles, again there should be no problem. BTW, diabetes in Brazilian Portuguese is pronounced ja-BET-chesh. Really.
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Llantarnam
08-18-07, 18:46
I have seen the period June to August described as 'off season', but I don't know why.
It's a bit cooler than earlier in the year, but it's also a lot dryer. The cummulative effects of temperature, rain and humidity would appear to make the 'off' season better than the rest of the year.
Am I missing something here?
IThe J's are always pronounced like an H.
In Spanish! Yes, 'j' in Spanish are pronounced like 'h's in English. But we are talking about Portuguese. In Portuguese, 'j's are pronounced like 'j's in English. It is 'rr' and 'r' at the beginning of a syllable in Portuguese that pronounced like 'h's in English.
The Watcher
08-19-07, 04:17
In Spanish! Yes, 'j' in Spanish are pronounced like 'h's in English. But we are talking about Portuguese. In Portuguese, 'j's are pronounced like 'j's in English. It is 'rr' and 'r' at the beginning of a syllable in Portuguese that pronounced like 'h's in English.
He is correct about the pronounciation of "j" in Portuguese. The following are examples:
jantar, jogo, jose, joao, jardin, juiz de fora, joias, jacarapagua(?) and janela (I don't have my dicitionary and I can't think of any more).
Billy Baht
08-19-07, 07:10
Also, and maybe controversially, there is a very large percentage of knuckledraggers among the mongers in Pattaya that it's just not nice to be in the same gogo bar or beer bar as.
No argument there :)
Great post F&S! I've spent a lot of time in Pattaya but never been to Brazil.
It's on the list :)
The J's are always pronounced like an H.
You are wrong, but George90 and The Watcher are wrong too. 'J' in Portuguese is pronounced 'zh,' and not like a 'j' in English; e.g., 'jantar' is pronounced 'zhan-TAR.' Now are we all clear?
This is all totally irrelevant to my original point, which was the pronunciation of 'diabetes.' The issue is the pronunciation of the initial 'd.' 'D' before 'i,' and before 'e' when it is pronounced 'ee,' is pronounced like an English 'j.' 'T' before the same vowels is pronounced 'ch.' Hence, 'ja-BET-chesh.' BTW, this is true only of the Rio dialect. It is not true all over Brazil and certainly not in Portugal, where 'd' and 't' and pronounced as they are in Spanish.
Lorenzo
Sandman0011
08-19-07, 14:36
I meant to say R's are pronounced like H's but only in Rio. Try it in any other city in Br. and you will get funny looks or immediately be labeled as a Carioca.
In Spanish! Yes, 'j' in Spanish are pronounced like 'h's in English. But we are talking about Portuguese. In Portuguese, 'j's are pronounced like 'j's in English. It is 'rr' and 'r' at the beginning of a syllable in Portuguese that pronounced like 'h's in English.
I have seen the period June to August described as 'off season', but I don't know why.
It's a bit cooler than earlier in the year, but it's also a lot dryer. The cummulative effects of temperature, rain and humidity would appear to make the 'off' season better than the rest of the year.
Am I missing something here?
Well, yes your'e right, if you like the cooler weather and are not a beach goer than those months could be a good season for you. But technically it is winter in Brazil and winter for a beach destination is considered off season.
I like to go when it is high season roughly December through end of February of March because I like the crowded beaches where you can walk the beach and have many choices either from the locals or the tourists, while in August while you can get a warm day you won't still draw the crowds and have less to choose from.
The Watcher
08-19-07, 20:07
You are wrong, but George90 and The Watcher are wrong too. 'J' in Portuguese is pronounced 'zh,' and not like a 'j' in English; e.g., 'jantar' is pronounced 'zhan-TAR.' Now are we all clear?
This is all totally irrelevant to my original point, which was the pronunciation of 'diabetes.' The issue is the pronunciation of the initial 'd.' 'D' before 'i,' and before 'e' when it is pronounced 'ee,' is pronounced like an English 'j.' 'T' before the same vowels is pronounced 'ch.' Hence, 'ja-BET-chesh.' BTW, this is true only of the Rio dialect. It is not true all over Brazil and certainly not in Portugal, where 'd' and 't' and pronounced as they are in Spanish.
Lorenzo
I still can't find my dictionary but I know you are correct. And how could I forget the most obvious "j" word - janeiro?!
The Corn Hole
08-19-07, 20:17
Lorenzo is correct. The J in porto is pronounced like 'zh". The R's are pronounced like an H not the J's. (eg. - carro pronounced cah-ho).
I thought porto was relatively easy to learn compared to other languages but now find Bahasa to be even easier to learn than porto. I gave up on learning Russian.
Lorenzo is correct. The J in porto is pronounced like 'zh". The R's are pronounced like an H not the J's. (eg. - carro pronounced cah-ho).
I have not met any Brazilian (yet) who pronounces 'j's as you describe.
I have been asked a few times by Brazilians in Salvador if I am a carioco. Apparently I have a Rio accent. My friends make fun of the way I pronounced 'r's at the end of words. Most Brazilans drop them a bit. No one has ever said my pronouncing 'j's as in 'job' was incorrect and should be pronounced 'dz' as in 'zero'. Though, my teacher said the best pronunciation was like the French 'je'.
This is a subtle issue. I suspect the differences we are discussing are due to Brazilian regionalisms. Similar to 's' being pronounced like 'sh' in some places in Brazil.
I have not met any Brazilian (yet) who pronounces 'j's as you describe.
I have been asked a few times by Brazilians in Salvador if I am a carioco. Apparently I have a Rio accent. My friends make fun of the way I pronounced 'r's at the end of words. Most Brazilans drop them a bit. No one has ever said my pronouncing 'j's as in 'job' was incorrect and should be pronounced 'dz' as in 'zero'. Though, my teacher said the best pronunciation was like the French 'je'.
This is a subtle issue. I suspect the differences we are discussing are due to Brazilian regionalisms. Similar to 's' being pronounced like 'sh' in some places in Brazil.
Okay, let's go over this once again. If your teacher told you that the best pronunciation of 'j' is like French 'je,' then you are simply reinforcing my point. Portuguese 'j' and French 'j' are both pronounced the same: 'zh.' 'Je' in French is pronounced 'zhuh.' 'Janeiro' in Portuguese is pronounced 'zhuh-NAY-ro.' If your friends never corrected you when you pronounced 'j' like an English 'j,' they were most likely being polite. And if you have never met a Brazilian who pronounces 'j' as 'zh,' I suggest that you listen more closely.
Lorenzo
Okay, let's go over this once again. If your teacher told you that the best pronunciation of 'j' is like French 'je,' then you are simply reinforcing my point. Portuguese 'j' and French 'j' are both pronounced the same: 'zh.' 'Je' in French is pronounced 'zhuh.' 'Janeiro' in Portuguese is pronounced 'zhuh-NAY-ro.' If your friends never corrected you when you pronounced 'j' like an English 'j,' they were most likely being polite. And if you have never met a Brazilian who pronounces 'j' as 'zh,' I suggest that you listen more closely.
Lorenzo
Having studied French for 12 years, (grades K -12), I feel qualified to expound on French pronunciation. I do not know what specific sound you are referring to when you write 'zh'. I do know that there is no 'z' sound in the pronunciation of 'j' in French. My language books do not have any reference to a 'zh' sound. One does refer to 'z' for pronouncing the 's' in 'mesmo'.
Anyway, I am out for the topic. You speak the way you want. I will do the same.
I do not know what specific sound you are referring to when you write 'zh'.
'Zh' is the conventional designation for the sound in 'leisure,' 'pleasure,' 'azure.' I think you'll agree that this is the sound employed in French 'je.' (I studied French in school too.)
L
The Watcher
08-22-07, 04:08
'Zh' is the conventional designation for the sound in 'leisure,' 'pleasure,' 'azure.' I think you'll agree that this is the sound employed in French 'je.' (I studied French in school too.)
L
Collins Dictionary states that "j" is pronounced as "s" in leisure.
I also found another book entitled "A Grammar of Spoken Brazilian Portuguese" by Earl W. Thomas. It says that "j" sounds like the second "g" of garage.
In other words, these are two sources that do not believe that a "j" in Portuguese is pronounced like a "j" in english.
On the practical side, you will be understood if you pronounce the "j" either way.
Pipe Layer99
08-22-07, 08:23
Pussy! how do you pronounce the 'P' in pussy in porto, french, english whatever ........
How about Bunda?
I'll be there for my 3rd trip and I'll let you boys know know how the girl pronounces the J and the P. Not that I really care. Next subject.
DD
Mr Enternational
08-23-07, 02:34
Okay, let's go over this once again. If your teacher told you that the best pronunciation of 'j' is like French 'je,' then you are simply reinforcing my point. Portuguese 'j' and French 'j' are both pronounced the same: 'zh.' 'Je' in French is pronounced 'zhuh.' 'Janeiro' in Portuguese is pronounced 'zhuh-NAY-ro.' If your friends never corrected you when you pronounced 'j' like an English 'j,' they were most likely being polite. And if you have never met a Brazilian who pronounces 'j' as 'zh,' I suggest that you listen more closely.
Lorenzo
100% Correct. They are the same sound. You have written the sound as close as one can using the standard alphabet. If you knew the codes to write it using the phonetic symbols only the people with a knowledge of the symbols would have understood it anyway.
Mr Enternational
08-31-07, 01:09
CNN Alerts: Brazil
Train crash in Brazil leaves 8 dead, dozens wounded, officials say
08/30/07 07:31 PM, EDT
A fast-moving train carrying hundreds of commuters slammed into an empty train near Rio de Janeiro on Thursday, killing at least eight people and injuring 60, officials said.
Read the full story at http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/08/30/brazil.crash.ap/index.html
http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/mat/2007/08/30/297515295.asp
The train looks like it was going from deep in Zona Norte to Baixada Fluminense. Baixada Fluminense is an area even poorer than Zona Norte. A lot of Rio's finest GDP's come from there. It is about an 1 hour from centro Rio.
I have been coming to Brasil (Rio and SP) for the last 10 yrs. Each trip last for about 2 weeks with rare exception (may be 10% of the trips made), I came in healthy and left healthy. The norm has been toward the end of the 2 week trips, I always got sick, usually common cold and one time I ate some unclean sushi in a restaurant in Botofogo and totally wrecked me.
It is a pity that I had to get sick especially I had only 2 weeks time in Brasil. Unfortunately, there is really no way for me to prevent it (I welcome any suggestions).
For one, Rio and SP is a high density population city center. Walking on the street, taking street buses, taking cabs, you constantly see people coughing right in your face. In U.S., unless you live in downtown of a major metropolitan areas, the chance of you getting into close contact with others is rarely and unlikely. Second, the hygene standards in Brasil is much lower than Brasil. An example, unless you visit a 5 star restaurant or 5 star hotel, most of these establishments just used soap and water to wash their dishes as opposed to U.S. that the local Health Dept. require any restuarant to subject washing their dishes at a set boiling point temperature. Then the girls we met, all the DFK is a medium of cold transmission. Finally, the general environment of Brasil easily diminish one's immune system. I am a non smoker and all the establishments I frequented have people blowing smoke to my face for hours. So, it gets to a point that I gave up and prepared to get sick on every trip.
i think whether or not you get sick depends largely on a particular individual's immune system and on what illness-producing microorganisms you have been exposed to before and thus been able to develop a resistance to. i have been to brazil 11 times. on my first trip i got quite sick--vomiting and diarrhea--within 48 hours of landing. the person i was traveling with did too. this is because we both came from a temperate client and had not been exposed, at least recently, to tropical microorganisms. i felt better the next day. on my 5th trip i developed a severe cold, and i know why: i had dfked a termas girl with a cold--i didn't realize i had a cold until i had been kissing her for a while. other than those 2 incidents, no problem.
it is pretty likely that anyone coming to the tropical zone from a temperate climate for the first time will get sick. there is nothing you can do but ride it out. it probably won't last very long, and there is an upside to it; it will help you develop resistance, so that if you return. the health precautions that people who visit tropical climates should take are well known, but it never hurts to go over them again: drink only bottled water; don't put ice in your drinks; avoid salads that contain leafy vegetables such as lettuce and spinach; don't eat unpeeled fruit; don't put ice in your drinks. if you are staying in a hotel, there's no need to worry about sheets and pillow cases, but i think it's a good idea, even in a 5-star hotel, to fold up your bedspread and put it away, because these are not cleaned, and you never know who was sleeping in that bed before you. also, in spite of the fact that hotels will give you a pseudo-environmental spiel about not replacing your bed linen or towels every day, make sure that you do. as far as dfking gdps, well, that's something for each and every monger to decide for himself. have i forgotten anything?
lorenzo
I always drink bottled water. As for catching a cold, I only get it when I DFK several women within a short period of time. In the past, I would kiss several termas garotas within the same visit. Not anymore, just stick to one.
When I travel to paradise, I usually stay for a minimum of 2 weeks, and stay for as long as 5-6 weeks at a time. I hardly ever catch a cold anymore, and if I I do catch one, its only when I do a dupla with lots of DFK. That has just been my personal experience, could be different for others depending on your particular immune system and habits.
Habits meaning how often you wash your hands( I carry hand sanitzer where ever I go ), if you use mouthwash right after kissing or going down under ( every little bit helps ). I also increase my consumption of vitamin C ( not Cialus gentlemen ).
Overall, I think a key role in the downfall of a person's immune system has to be the multiple sex partners in a short period of time. Constant swapping of bodily fluids eventually breaks down your system. Furthermore, it does not help that most people are also drinking alcohol, getting little sleep, partying, possibly drugs, and other activities that put a strain on the body.
Have fun, but pace yourself, get proper rest, fluids, vitamins, and be as clean as possible. It's not a 100% proof plan, but it sure lowers your odds of getting sick. One more thing, almost forgot to mention, its always a prerquisite before any of my trips to obtain antibiotics just in case I catch something nasty.
Mangera's suggestions below are an excellent way in reducing ones chances of picking up something.
I used to get sick every trip as well, now I see less woman per trip and don't get sick at all. Hence I am thinking sticking ones tongue down several GDP's throats is possibly the cause.
One thing that worked well for me. Once I felt the sickess coming on, and it was always the same thing, I would take one or 2 "Azitromicina Dildratada". I think these are called "z packs" in the states. These are a mild anitbiotic and will knock most things out. I tend to find as long as I knock it out as soon as I feel the symptons coming on, the full blown bed ridden cold does not develope. For those that think this is over kill, just think about loosing 3 or 4 days in bed on say a 2 week holiday, its really a downer when you are in layed up in bed and can't move while there are 1000's of bundas in copa all waiting to be tagged - it is just torture.
Azitromicina can be purchased at any pharmacy in Brazil without a prescription and it costs between R15 - R30 depending on the brand. The generic is just fine. You take one tablet per day.
Be careful in taking Azitromicina, if you feel ill and need to take the whole course 3 - 6 (again only 1 per day) there is a good chance you will start to get the "runs". The reason being it kills good and bad bacteria. If this happens you will need to take "Diasec" which will fix the problem.
Diasec. Is a must for any travel bag. When you get the uncontrollable "shits" you simply take one of these little pills and within a few hours things will calm down. I have only even needed to take 1 and it has fixed the problem. I guess if you still have a problem after 24 hours you coluld take another (and if that doesn't work see a doctor), however be very careful, if you take more than 1 you could end up having the opposite problem IE constipation, hence just take one and wait for 24 hours.
Diasec is cheap R12 for about 12 tablets, enough to last a year or 2 of travelling in third world countries.
Once again, Bubba's info is on point, and same with all the other guys who have been discussing getting sick while in Rio. Can you buy "z pack" in the states without a prescibition? Or any other type of antibiotic over the counter. And the info about haveing to take a bunch of dumps down there, is also on point, and I will be sure to get the medcine that Bubba suggested when I return in Nov.
Chris H
Diasec. Is a must for any travel bag. When you get the uncontrollable "shits" you simply take one of these little pills and within a few hours things will calm down. I have only even needed to take 1 and it has fixed the problem. I guess if you still have a problem after 24 hours you could take another (and if that doesn't work see a doctor), however be very careful, if you take more than 1 you could end up having the opposite problem IE constipation, hence just take one and wait for 24 hours.Is Diasec stronger than imodium A-D?
I don't have a box with me as I only keep the tablets, but from memory it contains imodium and is possibly the same thing. Don't quote me, as this I am not entirely sure.
Tips on staying healthy!
1. reduce chances of your immune system being introduced to a virus
a. Stop or reduce the amount of garotas your kissing.
b. Stop licking pussy! Whoever does is 1 crazy MF'r in my book
c. Wash hands
2. keeping your immune sytem strong
a. No drugs, Many guys dont do drugs at home then when in rio start doing them to party harder, F harder whatever DRUGS WILL WEAKEN YOUR IMMUNE SYTEM (talkin narcotics)
b. KEEP A HEALTHY SLEEP SCHEDULE! napping 7-9pm then raging till 6am, sleeping 7am -2pm is not a healthy sleep schedule rage if you must! every 4th day. Pussy at 7pm is still the same pussy at 5am (actually better, probably had less cock that night if you grab her at 7pm lol) use earplugs so when you do sleep your body allows it self to get into deep rem healing sleep
c. EAT better! eat your proteins an veggies those cheese sticks will do nothing to nourish your body!
d. Cut down the alcohol.
Tips on staying healthy!
1. reduce chances of your immune system being introduced to a virus
a. Stop or reduce the amount of garotas your kissing.
b. Stop licking pussy! Whoever does is 1 crazy MF'r in my book
c. Wash hands
2. keeping your immune sytem strong
a. No drugs, Many guys dont do drugs at home then when in rio start doing them to party harder, F harder whatever DRUGS WILL WEAKEN YOUR IMMUNE SYTEM (talkin narcotics)
b. KEEP A HEALTHY SLEEP SCHEDULE! napping 7-9pm then raging till 6am, sleeping 7am -2pm is not a healthy sleep schedule rage if you must! every 4th day. Pussy at 7pm is still the same pussy at 5am (actually better, probably had less cock that night if you grab her at 7pm lol) use earplugs so when you do sleep your body allows it self to get into deep rem healing sleep
c. EAT better! eat your proteins an veggies those cheese sticks will do nothing to nourish your body!
d. Cut down the alcohol.
Yes, but why go to Rio if you want to adhere to all of these guidelines? I can be boring and lame at home :D. But I do wash my hands, so I am not a complete loss ;)
Tips on staying healthy!
1. reduce chances of your immune system being introduced to a virus
c. Wash hands
2. keeping your immune sytem strong
a. No drugs, Many guys dont do drugs at home then when in rio start doing them to party harder, F harder whatever DRUGS WILL WEAKEN YOUR IMMUNE SYTEM (talkin narcotics)
b. KEEP A HEALTHY SLEEP SCHEDULE! napping 7-9pm then raging till 6am, sleeping 7am -2pm is not a healthy sleep schedule rage if you must! every 4th day. Pussy at 7pm is still the same pussy at 5am (actually better, probably had less cock that night if you grab her at 7pm lol) use earplugs so when you do sleep your body allows it self to get into deep rem healing sleep
c. EAT better! eat your proteins an veggies those cheese sticks will do nothing to nourish your body!
d. Cut down the alcohol.
I sort of agree with Euro100. Why monger at all if you are going to be so restrictive as to take all the fun out of it.
I have rarely been sick on a trip to Brazil. When I was under the weather, it was due to catching something on the plane. I do not have good luck with other passengers. Almost always there have been other passengers with sniffles or colds and they are usually seated close to me. I am sure I caught what they had.
I most agree with hand washing and no/very little alcohol for staying illness free. I am not sure I agree with the no DFK rule for avoiding colds. You can avoid mononucleosis and oral HPV that way but I am not sure about ordinary colds of the flu.
I am not a physician, but I remember that cold and flu viruses live in the respiratory tract, not the gastrointestinal tract. The nose is respiratory, the mouth is gastrointestinal, despite the fact we can breathe through our mouths. You need to get nasal mucus or spray from a sneeze or cough into your own respiratory tract to catch a cold from someone. I don't think a kiss is enough, even a DFK, unless she is coughing.
Touching hands with someone who has wiped their runny nose, and then touching your own nose can transfer a cold virus. That's why hand washing is very effective.
Still, this is a great topic. Getting sick on a trip is a major bummer. For me, even getting a little bit sick is a bummer. My johnson is pretty sensitive. When I don't feel well, I have a lot of trouble getting and staying hard. Staying healthy on a mongering trip is of major importance.
American Warrior
09-02-07, 19:08
I been to Rio over 6 times and get sick due to the kissing, lack of sleep, alcohol, etc. My good female friend doc the first trip I went down there informed me to take Cipro and gave me a prescription. They sell Cipro in Rio it works. Also it knocks out sexual diseases, oh never mind.
Is Diasec stronger than imodium A-D?
It may well be the same ingredient. But it is locally available for pennies. Colds and flu - see Bubba guide for the locally recommended antibiotic (I've tried it - it works quite well).
Often a Rio drugstore will try to sell you the foreign brand which is a lot more expensive. If you can't remember the name of the local one just ask for the generic version.
Delaware Guy
09-03-07, 19:32
My good female friend doc the first trip I went down there informed me to take Cipro and gave me a prescription ...Also it knocks out sexual diseases, oh never mind.Cipro is effective against many bacterial infections. However, bacteria are a crafty life form, and often develop resistance to this type of treatment over time. I have heard of guys who pop Cipro as a preventative medicine before and during their exotic vacations. I am not a doctor, but one needn't be a doctor to recognize the potential hazard of taking antibiotics "so I don't come down with something".
I contracted a particularly nasty case of diarrhea on a recent trip to Colombia which only a full 6 day course of Cipro combined with regular doses of Lactobacillus Acidophilus (to restore the beneficial bacteria in my diegestive tract) could overcome. However, there are strains of venereal disease which, over time, have morphed to the extent that Cipro, as with penicillin before it, is no longer effective.
Cipro is a beneficial antibiotic. But it is not the miracle drug some people, including many doctors, regard it to be.
Cipro is effective against many bacterial infections. However, bacteria are a crafty life form, and often develop resistance to this type of treatment over time. I have heard of guys who pop Cipro as a preventative medicine before and during their exotic vacations. I am not a doctor, but one needn't be a doctor to recognize the potential hazard of taking antibiotics "so I don't come down with something".
This is misconception. Preventative taking of antibiotics does not cause drug resistance in bacteria. It is not a healthy thing to do because it kills the beneficial bacteria in our bodies.
Drug resistent strains of bacteria come about from not following a treatment in its entirety. When some gets sick and antibiotic treatment is prescribed, it is usually for a period of time long enough to kill ALL the offending bacteria in question. We will feel better long before this time period has passed.
What some patients do (to save money on presecription drugs) is stop taking the antibiotics once they feel better and BEFORE the end of the precribed period. This leaves some bacteria alive which have been exposed to the drug. As these survivor bacteria reproduced, they pass on their survivor traits to future generations and create a drug resistant strain.
Stopping antibiotic drug treament before all bacteria are killed causes drug resistance, not taking antibiotics while healthy since there is no (harmful) bacteria being exposed to the drug or it is getting killed in its entirety.
American Warrior
09-05-07, 15:52
Thanks for the info Deleware Guy and George.
Will use that insight in a few weeks.
Anybody know how to or where to find the Rio porn stars we see back in the states? Are they mostly help girls?
There are a lot of porn stars in the various termas. The term "porn star" is a loose term though, it would seem any girl that has done 1 porn seems to qualify.
There should be a separate thread in the Brazil section for GDPs that have done porn flicks. It should contain their picture, their current place of work or escort ads, and their biography (DVDs, pay sites, magazines). Many Brazil lovers have probably fucked porn stars without being aware of it!
Loso
There should be a separate thread in the Brazil section for GDPs that have done porn flicks. It should contain their picture, their current place of work or escort ads, and their biography (DVDs, pay sites, magazines). Many Brazil lovers have probably fucked porn stars without being aware of it!
Loso
Some have banged porn stars, and don't even know it. I'm including myself in that mix.
There should be a separate thread in the Brazil section for GDPs that have done porn flicks. It should contain their picture, their current place of work or escort ads, and their biography (DVDs, pay sites, magazines). Many Brazil lovers have probably fucked porn stars without being aware of it!
Loso
I've met a couple of GPs in Copa that have called themselves porn stars. Some even bringing their movies in their handbags. Very few of them have been stunners.
There are so much porn produced in Brazil. There must be thousands of GPs that can call themselves porn stars. Anyway, it's a good argument for the girls when they want to overcharge.
Delaware Guy
09-07-07, 12:07
Preventative taking of antibiotics does not cause drug resistance in bacteria. It is not a healthy thing to do because it kills the beneficial bacteria in our bodies.I think that's what I was trying to say. You just said it better.
Thanks for the clarification.
Yankee 617
09-14-07, 23:15
Back in August 2003, a friend asked me for advice concerning vaccines and such that he should consider before heading to Brazil. It occurred to me that others might be interested. So here is what I said to him (with only minor editing)...
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Here's the full list of vaccinations I suggest. Note that the two hepatitis vaccinations involve a series of 2 or 3 shots (provided over a 6 month period; that's why I've been after you to get these started ASAP) but they are good for life... the other vaccinations can all be received shortly before you go and each has some period of time before they expire (and need to be renewed)
I had the following vaccinations back in Oct/Nov 1994:
1) Tetanus
2) Yellow Fever
These are good for 10 years. I also had a shot of Immuno-Globulin back then... which I think is just a sort of broad-spectrum preventative.
More recently, on 31 December 2002, I had the following vaccinations:
3) Hepatitis A
4) Hepatitis B
5) Typhoid
6) Rabies
7) Influenza
8) Menococcal Meningitis
Hep A can be transmitted by food so they easily/quickly provide that; I got this in a series of 3 shots (Dec'02, Jan'03, Aug'03). Hep B is only transmitted by body fluids so they tend to question more whether this is necessary; I got this in 2 shots (Dec'02, Jul'03). Hep A & B vaccines are good for life; I'm not sure how long the other vaccines are good for. There is no vaccine for Hepatitis C.
NOTE: Your travel clinic should give you a yellow card (keep it with your passport) showing all your vaccinations... this will be helpful in case you need medical treatment while traveling (and I think that Brazil might not let you into their country unless you have some form of proof that you've been inoculated against yellow fever).
Other concerns, for which there is no vaccine, include:
9) Dengue Fever (transmitted by mosquitos)
10) Traveller's Diarrhea
11) Dehydration (often accompanies diarrhea)
12) Dysentery
13) Sunburn
14) Giardia
15) Blisters & sores
To address these concerns, I brought
a) mosquito repellent (DEET),
b) chewable Pepto Bismol tablets,
c) anti-diarrheal tablets (available over-the-counter),
d) a packet of electrolyte salts,
e) a powerful antibiotic (Cipro; available only by prescription), and
f) various high-SPF sunscreens & salves
g) moleskin or equivalent pads, band-aids, etc
Although I will bring ALL these things with me again in November, my experience was:
+ Mosquito infestation was very minor in the urban areas I visited so I rarely used any mosquito repellent. But I was very glad to have it when I visited rural areas such as Arrial D'Ajuda and Jericoacoara. There I used it mostly at night, along with a ceiling fan... otherwise I would have been eaten alive while going without sleep. Ultrathon was the stuff I used: its basically DEET in a long-lasting base and it worked great.
+ Pepto Bismol tablets give you a terribly unsightly black tongue that I really disliked and offered only very minor relief from minor gastrointestinal problems.
+ The (CVS brand) anti-diarrheal tablets were highly effective and really "saved the day" for me when I had a bad case of diarrhea... I had been visiting the toilet every 15 minutes but, within an hour, I no longer had any need to use the toilet for the next day or so.
+ The (typically overpriced) electrolyte salts are basically Gatorade in a pouch... just add water. It the only good way to treat dehydration. I never used it, but its nice to have 1 packet along... if you need it, the 1 packet will get you through the night until you can get to a store/market to buy some Gatorade.
+ I never used the Cipro... it will knock out dysentery (which is effectively a severe form of diarrhea) as well as many other bacteriological diseases (including Anthrax... although I don't think we will have much worry about that). Some years ago, two friends were travelling in Peru and got dysentery... the gal took Cipro at the first signs but the guy refused... the gal was fine but the guy was miserable until they got back to the USA; he went to see the doctor, and the doctor prescribed Cipro for him.
+ I used sunscreens every day... its especially important the first few days. I got various types of sunscreen... not just different SPF but different base formulations (some which better resist being washed away by water, sweat, etc).
+ I got Giardia in the Netherlands a few years ago. Its caused by a parasite that is transported in fecal matter... so you can get it if food preparers don't wash their hands, etc. It takes a few days after exposure before you notice symptoms but then its absolutely horrible. (Worst dehydration & smelliest shit I ever had.) I was lucky to be back in the USA when symptoms struck... and I was aggressive about getting medical treatment (urging them to test for Giardia, although they felt it was unlikely I had this... and calling to get the diagnosis and drugs late on a Friday - before everyone disappeared for the weekend). The treatment was a simple pill (prescription drug) and LOTS of Gatorade... I literally drank many gallons of the stuff. A week or so later I was feeling better since the drug is very effective... theoretically, you'll get better on your own (if you don't die of dehydration first) but it will take a lot longer.
+ I do a lot of walking on my trips and, in the tropical heat, I do not like to wear socks... that's a recipe for blisters and sore feet. On my last trip to Brazil, the skin on a portion of my feet wore off and left painful bleeding sores... I limped back to my hotel and applied band-aids (not very effective); then I limped to a pharmacy, got some pads, and secured the to my feet with medical tape (more effective). I also bought some flip-flops (these would rub a different part of my feet from the sneakers I'd been wearing). This trip I intend to try and bring some moleskin along too...
So start thinking about what you want to pack. Its tropical and hot so you'll want shorts & lightweight shirts... and comfortable shoes or sandals that you can walk a long distance in... as well as dance in. REI has some good stuff... Also, this web site is particularly good (recommended by my travel clinic)
<http://www.travmed.com/>
I spent $75 with the above site before my last trip. They also have lots of good information; travel health info is also available at these sites
<http://www.travelmedicine.com/>
<http://www.travelmed.com/>
Also remember that you want to travel very light for several reasons:
# If you check a bag with the airline, chances are that it will get lost or stolen. I always try to manage within the limits of allowable carry-on baggage.
# There will be occasions when you have to schlep long distances in hot humid weather carrying all your stuff... I remember broken curbs, muddy streets, and so on that prevented the wheels on my luggage from working. Also, buses had narrow aisles and turnstyles (intended to keep scofflaws from getting on-board without paying) that made carrying baggage aboard extremely awkward/difficult.
So choose carefully what to bring.
Cheers,
Yankee
...vaccinations... 1) Tetanus 2) Yellow Fever 3) Hepatitis A 4) Hepatitis B 5) Typhoid 6) Rabies 7) Influenza 8) Menococcal Meningitis, ...mosquito repellent (DEET), b) chewable Pepto Bismol tablets, c) anti-diarrheal tablets (available over-the-counter), d) a packet of electrolyte salts, e) a powerful antibiotic (Cipro; available only by prescription), and f) various high-SPF sunscreens & salves g) moleskin or equivalent pads, band-aids, etc...
Propably a good advice, but I never used any of these (except sunscreen) in the last 16 years of travelling in Brazil, even though I spend a lot of time in the bush fishing etc. On my medical list it only says "condoms".
Yankee 617
09-15-07, 04:08
On my medical list it only says "condoms".
Well, yes... of course! I always bring a few dozen of those, along with my Vitamin V.
Has anybody ever read the book "The Hedonist: World Sex Guide - Single Male Erotic Vacations in Rio, Costa Rica, Thailand, Carribean and much more"
by Dr. Brett Tate?
Is there any useful info in there? Without ever having seen it I am guessing that the info is dated, superficial, and generally inferior to what can be found in ISG but I could be wrong.
OralSkillz
09-24-07, 04:13
Speaking about porn, is the porn industry pretty organized in Brasil? Are there reputable talent agencies, or do producers have to do the talent scouting themselves?
How about disease prevention? Do they have AIM-like testing requirements? Most Brasilian porn I've seen have been with condoms. But there are others without. And it does not seem like it's actor-dependent, since I'd see an actor go without in one movie, then with condoms in other movies.
Thanks!
Yankee 617
09-24-07, 06:09
Has anybody ever read the book "The Hedonist: World Sex Guide - Single Male Erotic Vacations in Rio, Costa Rica, Thailand, Carribean and much more"
by Dr. Brett Tate?
Is there any useful info in there? Without ever having seen it I am guessing that the info is dated, superficial, and generally inferior to what can be found in ISG but I could be wrong.
Not sure. Many years ago a friend of mine was the editor for a yellow covered paperback of the same theme. The author was just another monger who had enough hubris to think he had the inside scoop on everything and could make a bundle of cash by selling this info to clueless horny American guys. In addition to the book, he started a web site... trying to get guys to pay to become a member. The book itself was slightly dated at the time (way dated by now) and the quality of the info didn't come close to what you find here on ISG. I never joined the web site. Sorry I cannot recall the title of the book or the author's name, but it could have been this same book/author.
OK. I just did a little web search. The book I was thinking of is "Travel and the Single Male" by Bruce Cassirer (available at Amazon.com). I do NOT recommend it, as there is much better info available here on ISG.
Hi,
I am going back to Rio next week. I will have about 10 hours to kill between flights on Tuesday. So the natural think is to head to centro and go to 4x4. And thus I need some advice that the Bubba guide is silent on: How does one get form the airport to downtown in a cheap way? I know I could take a taxi, but this will likely be about 70 reais for the round trip, money that could be invested better in bunda and cervesa. Is there a bus? If not, can one take a taxi to the nearest metro station?
Another question: can one leave the luggage at the airport in some kind of locker? If yes, where?
Any quick help would be appreciated.
thanks in advance
euro
Professor 1
09-26-07, 14:03
Hi,
I am going back to Rio next week. I will have about 10 hours to kill between flights on Tuesday. So the natural think is to head to centro and go to 4x4. And thus I need some advice that the Bubba guide is silent on: How does one get form the airport to downtown in a cheap way? I know I could take a taxi, but this will likely be about 70 reais for the round trip, money that could be invested better in bunda and cervesa. Is there a bus? If not, can one take a taxi to the nearest metro station?There is a public bus. I used it for the return to the airport. I believe that it took about an hour.
Trippleecks
09-26-07, 15:01
Yankee 617.... his website is http://www.tsmtravel.com
I was a member for a long time. But the website just got played out for me and I never renewed my membership. You are correct about his outdated book. He's still hawking that old news to first time suckers, oh, I mean members..
Hi Euro!
So the natural think is to head to centro and go to 4x4. How does one get form the airport to downtown in a cheap way? I know I could take a taxi, but this will likely be about 70 reais for the round trip, money that could be invested better in bunda and cervesa. Is there a bus? If not, can one take a taxi to the nearest metro station?
Yeah there's two types of buses - cheap and very cheap. Either will drop you within about a block of 4x4. Enjoy!
Another question: can one leave the luggage at the airport in some kind of locker? If yes, where?
euro
The answer to your first question is yes; I did it myself a few years ago when I had a 12 hour layover at GIG. As to where, it's in the terminal, on the departure level as I recall, but I can't tell you exactly where. You'll just have to look or ask around.
L
Hi Euro!
Yeah there's two types of buses - cheap and very cheap. Either will drop you within about a block of 4x4. Enjoy!
Chris,
Are you still in Rio? I would sure love to hang out with you for a day. Could use a cleansing session at VM, if you get my drift. I am hanging out in Europe right now and have gotten myself hooked deeply into a girl ...
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=647533
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=648381
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=648380
cheers
euro
Euro - see pm. You must show round one of those FKK clubs sometime! Cheers, Chris
Chris,
Are you still in Rio? I would sure love to hang out with you for a day. Could use a cleansing session at VM, if you get my drift. I am hanging out in Europe right now and have gotten myself hooked deeply into a girl ...
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=647533
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=648381
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=648380
cheers
euro
Mr Enternational
10-04-07, 02:52
Originally Posted by Chingon
Lover Boy:
You'll have to carry the old passport with the valid Brazilian Visa AND your NEW Passport every time you enter Brazil.
I did that the last 2 years.
My situation is the same as yours Chingon. We thought we were all aware of the only tourist visas were those lasting either 90 days or 5 years. However, I have seen otherwise. One of my wingmen got his visa last year when he had a little more than two years left on his passport. What type of visa did he receive? A visa for 730 days is what he has. 2 years.
Mr Enternational
10-04-07, 03:14
Hi,
I am going back to Rio next week. I will have about 10 hours to kill between flights on Tuesday. So the natural think is to head to centro and go to 4x4. And thus I need some advice that the Bubba guide is silent on: How does one get form the airport to downtown in a cheap way? I know I could take a taxi, but this will likely be about 70 reais for the round trip, money that could be invested better in bunda and cervesa. Is there a bus? If not, can one take a taxi to the nearest metro station?
Another question: can one leave the luggage at the airport in some kind of locker? If yes, where?
Any quick help would be appreciated.
thanks in advance
euro
If you are making an international arrival into Rio you will hand the customs officer your paperwork. Then you will press the button which will decide whether they will search your stuff or not. More than likely not. You will proceed along to the exit. You will see booths set up for advance taxi purchases (there is also one for the bus but no need to use it). You will proceed out to where the general public waits for their arriving friends and family. From there, walk directly outside through the first door that you see. Immediately to your right is where the bus stops. The name of the company is REAL. You will see it in big letters on the side of the buses. Also there is a blue podium there that someone maintains, but he more than likely does not speak English. There are long coach buses as well as shorter ones. If you look at the bottom of the front window of each bus there will be a card listing the neighborhoods that the bus goes through. I usually take the long bus because that is the one that goes through Copacabana where I get off at. This one goes through downtown and if you are interested in going to 4X4 it will let you off at the corner of Rio Branco and Rua Buenos Aires. (You must tell the driver where you want him to stop. For 4X4 just tell him Rua Buenos Aires). You will only need to cross Rio Branco and 4X4 will be a few yards on your left. The cost of the bus is R$6 which you will pay to the driver upon entering the bus. There are also other shorter buses, I know one goes to Alvorado but I can not remember if it goes through downtown or not.
Going back to the airport from downtown, I can not remember the name of the street that the bus goes down. It runs parallel to Rio Branco but in the other direction. You should run into it if you go down Rua Buenos Aires towards the low numbers. You only need to stand anywhere on the street and flag it down when it gets close enough for you to see the "Aerop International" sign at the top right side (not driver's side) window.
As for a place to store luggage, they do have lockers on the departure level. I am not sure what size bags will fit or for how much time or the cost. I am also not sure if they have a luggage storage area as they do in some other airports. If they do then I have never seen it.
Mr Enternational
10-04-07, 03:47
They scanned my passport late last year in Sao Paulo. I chatted with the immigration dude and he said they are rolling out the new system and it should be everywhere within a year or 2. I am not sure how accurate it will be. I have been going across the land border of late into Uruguay and Argentina. 50% of the time there is no one stopping my leaving or entering. Hence sometimes I have no exit stamps or entry stamps. They nearly always stamp my passport on the other side, but not always, hence I am not even sure anymore how long I have stayed in Brazil this year.
I talked to the immigration officer when I came through the other day. He said there was no way he could tell how many times or how many days you have spent in Brazil on his computer. He said the only information he could receive about your stay is an alert that pops up if you have already exceeded the maximum number of days.
Hey guys, I'm new in here. Just joined.
I will be in Brasil for 18 days in December.
Dec. 7. 24. (Dec. 7. 19, in Rio)
Dec. 9. 24 (side trip to northest city, but undecided where yet)
So, my question is. In your opinion which city is the best for a fun side trip? Fortaleza or Salvador?
A little confusing on your dates. You need more time in Rio. The norhteast is nice. I like Fortaleza the best, more beaches, more things to do. I have not mongered in either place, so not an expert on that. If you were saying you were in Rio the 7th to the 19th that is good. Then 5 days up north, that would be about right.
It will be officially released in Brasil on October 12, 2007.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jeTL9hC3Wg&mode=related&search=
The movie is a semi-fictional account of the Rio's Batalhao de Operaçoes Policiais Especiais. It is based on a book which was controversial in its description of the BOPE as a "killing machine".
It is the first fiction film of director José Padilha, who had previously directed Onibus 174.
Hey guys,
New here. Couple quick questions. Where do I go to see opinions on termas, etc. Also I'm looking for a girl from Help which I lost her number. Going back in two weeks. Which forums do I use for each?
Canuck9970
10-09-07, 02:55
Rss910,
The best way is to google for GPguia.net and then use their translator: GPguia.net will probably have info for the gal that you are looking for but it is only in Portuguese.
El Austriaco
10-17-07, 18:59
It will be officially released in Brasil on October 12, 2007.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jeTL9hC3Wg&mode=related&search=
The movie is a semi-fictional account of the Rio's Batalhao de Operaçoes Policiais Especiais. It is based on a book which was controversial in its description of the BOPE as a "killing machine".
It is the first fiction film of director José Padilha, who had previously directed Onibus 174.
Great recommendation, Prosal. For the Portuguese-impaired, I will provide a link to to the trailer with English subtitles. Poor English, but should give you an idea ;)
Trailer w/ English subtitles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqXsvbkD-Sw
EA
So my question is: In your opinion which city is the best for a fun side trip? Fortaleza or Salvador?
I guess it depends on how much portuguese you can speak. They speak little to no portuguese in fortaleza. The women in fortaleza look nothing like the women in Rio (the good looking girl ratio is weak) However fortaleza has great atmosphere well defined places to pick up girls, great side trips within half our to six hours( Jeri ) and something going on everyday of the week ( Pirata the best monday night party in the world if you like brasilian music).
Salvador has more than just negras so dont be fooled. They have some stunners, but things are more spread out. You will find at least some americans to talk to in Salvador ( you may not run into any in Fortaleza which sometimes is a good thing, but not if you dont speak portuguese it's not)
Hey why not head down to florinopolis? Weather is great that time of year and you r sure to run into some stunners. I believe english is spoken a little more there also. Hope this helps.
Has anyone married a local Brazil girl solely for purpose of immigration & passport?
If yes, can you share your experience either here or via email?
Has anyone married a local Brazil girl solely for purpose of immigration & passport?
If yes, can you share your experience either here or via email?
Sure.
Lots of gringoes have married brasilian girls in order to get a permanent visa.
That´s why it is getting more complicated all the time.
If you marry, marry for some other reason than a visa.
I think is strange way you think. I mean if you go to Rio, and have so tight budgets. Is better to be home. You have to think always about security when you go Brazil so this I less money for transport. ANd bus tranpsort is no problem, you find every plase on airport in the world. Goos luck gringo.
I am going back to Rio next week. I will have about 10 hours to kill between flights on Tuesday. So the natural think is to head to centro and go to 4x4. And thus I need some advice that the Bubba guide is silent on: How does one get form the airport to downtown in a cheap way? I know I could take a taxi, but this will likely be about 70 reais for the round trip, money that could be invested better in bunda and cervesa. Is there a bus? If not, can one take a taxi to the nearest metro station?
Another question: can one leave the luggage at the airport in some kind of locker? If yes, where?
Any quick help would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance
Euro
I think is strange way you think. I mean if you go to Rio, and have so tight budgets. Is better to be home. You have to think always about security when you go Brazil so this I less money for transport. ANd bus tranpsort is no problem, you find every plase on airport in the world. Goos luck gringo.
I don't think Euro has a tight budget.
He takes the comfortable, quick and cheap Real bus from the airport to Centro instead of a taxi. The difference in prices will be about R$ 50 (round trip). These R$ 50 is serious bunda-money.
I can't see why the Real bus shouldn't be safe (OK, nothing is 100% safe in Rio)? It's not like taking a common bus passing by the outskirts of favelas.
I think is strange way you think. I mean if you go to Rio, and have so tight budgets
Nonsense.
The Real bus is confortable, tourist-friendly, safe and cheap. With some luck you can even be seated near a menina working at the airport or an air-hostesse on their way home. It's for me the nicest way to reach Centro and Zona Sul from Galeao. I don't fly halfway around the world to Brasil to isolate myself in taxis.
Anyway it's not being "cheap" to avoid taxis in Rio. I personnaly used bus as often I could, even to go to Duque de Caxias or Nova Iguacu and come back from there at night. It's a very good way to mix with local cuties.
Rioonmymind
10-20-07, 12:49
After nearly 11 hours getting to Rio, with connecting flights, the last thing I want to do is spend another 1 or more hours on a bus, just to save 40 reais. I just want to get to my room and crash.
Last Tuesday,visiting Policia Federal, I missed the bus from ex Meridien hotel and I took a taxi to GIG that came out to R$ 33
On the way back I used the Real bus for R$ 6.
No problem whatsoever.
It takes a little while though passing through the center and Santos Dumont airport on the way to Copacabana.
El Greco
Exec Talent
10-20-07, 15:02
Last Tuesday,visiting Policia Federal, I missed the bus from ex Meridien hotel and I took a taxi to GIG that came out to R$ 33
On the way back I used the Real bus for R$ 6.
No problem whatsoever.
It takes a little while though passing through the center and Santos Dumont airport on the way to Copacabana.
El Greco
I pay R$40-R50 for a driver I know to meet me, help me with my bags and take me directly to my apartment. After a 10 hour flight (even in first class) I am ready to get where I need to go and get rested up for the day's events. Also, like most people, I have a few extra dollars with me that are not worth risking.
That said, I have no problem taking the air-conditioned bus to and from places like Buzios or Angra dos Reis or even an un-air-conditioned one to Barra Tijuca. I feel that coming from the airport is one time getting there as quickly and safely as I can makes sense.
I don't recommend newbies, those with more than a few dollars on them or those with extra bags take the bus. To me, the small savings is just not worth it.
Mr Enternational
10-20-07, 17:35
Last Tuesday,visiting Policia Federal, I missed the bus from ex Meridien hotel and I took a taxi to GIG that came out to R$ 33
El Greco
It is always cheaper by the meter. A friend of mine got it for 25 once. I wouldn't dare pay the 60s and 70s that some people ask for their drivers.
I think is strange way you think. I mean if you go to Rio, and have so tight budgets. Is better to be home. You have to think always about security when you go Brazil so this I less money for transport. ANd bus tranpsort is no problem, you find every plase on airport in the world. Goos luck gringo.
Dude, I posted this question on the 26th of last month. And almost four weeks later you post an answer to it ... one that does not contain any information what-so-friggin-ever. Is there no other point you can make?
In the meantime I have visited Rio, figured out the bus situation and took the bus to centro, posted the information (http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=651223), left Rio, returned to Rio, took another bus to the Copa, posted the information (http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=652937), spent several more days in Rio, and left again.
And what did we learn from your post? That you think that my thinking is strange. Ummm, OK, my wife could have told you that, too :D.
And, oh by the way, that bus is SAFER than a taxi. I was carrying a thousand bucks in cash on me, and I am always uncomfortable until they are stashed away in my hotel safe. You think you are safer in a taxi? If your taxi driver takes a little detour to the right favela, then you vanish from the face of the earth, and nobody will ever find you. For the bus driver to pull the same stunt a whole hell of a lot more witnesses have to be erased. Safety in numbers!
Great recommendation, Prosal. For the Portuguese-impaired, I will provide a link to to the trailer with English subtitles. Poor English, but should give you an idea ;)
Trailer w/ English subtitles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqXsvbkD-Sw
EA
Downloaded the movie today and watched it.
Excellent movie!
My best recommendations. In the same class as Cidade de Deus and Carandiru.
Btw, nice music, funk...
Exec Talent
10-20-07, 21:19
I just renewed my paid membership to this site and recommend others do the same. Although it is a great site for learning about the girls, the members here, like EA, Sperto and Prosal add so many valuable insights into Brazilian culture and daily living. Thanks for your contributions to my Brazilian education.
Mr Enternational
10-21-07, 01:41
Downloaded the movie today and watched it.
Excellent movie!
My best recommendations. In the same class as Cidade de Deus and Carandiru.
Btw, nice music, funk...
What site did you download the movie from? Even though I don't have a DVD burner. My girlfriend is coming up next week so I'll ask her to find me a copy and bring with her. I liked how the trailer went back to the "real" funk and started off with Rap das Armas by Junior and Leonardo. Just when I was getting into the trailer it was over.
What site did you download the movie from? Even though I don't have a DVD burner. My girlfriend is coming up next week so I'll ask her to find me a copy and bring with her. I liked how the trailer went back to the "real" funk and started off with Rap das Armas by Junior and Leonardo. Just when I was getting into the trailer it was over.
You choose a torrent and download the movie (you can use Azareus). Google for "Tropa de Elite" and "torrent" and you'll find plenty of torrents to choose from.
There are torrents with OK quality, 4,41 GB and no subtitles, and you'll find worse quality, 700 MB with English subtitles.
for those not familiar with torrents..
torrents are internet packages that point to peer to peer download sites that have pointers to other computers that have the object you are looking for. for example, of you download a movie, and stay online, your computer will upload to others.
there is music, movies, software, just about anything.
first, you need to install a torrent download program, i use utorrent.. there are plenty out there, all seem about the same.
second, google what you want, and add 'torrent' in the search, you will get a lot of hits. the trick is finding one that will not want you to sign up for something or give you garbage or some virus. for the movies mentioned, isohunt has some good torrents.
third, download the torrent, click on open. that will download the package that will kick off utorrent and start the p2p download.
hope this helps.. happy downloading.
Mr Enternational
10-21-07, 15:42
You choose a torrent and download the movie (you can use Azareus). Google for "Tropa de Elite" and "torrent" and you'll find plenty of torrents to choose from.
There are torrents with OK quality, 4,41 GB and no subtitles, and you'll find worse quality, 700 MB with English subtitles.
I downloaded one that is 698MB without subtitles and the quality is damn good.
My girlfriend just informed me that there is a Tropa de Elite 1 and Tropa de Elite 2. 2 is in cinemas now and is the one we are watching. Her friend said both are available on bootleg at Uruguaiana.
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