2007 East China - Shanghai

[Rob Hay]

Too bad you left when you did.....The girl from Harbin has another 6 foot friend thats even more attractive. This is also a runway girl....and she has a thing for ABKs...shes dating a Korean singer. We should hit up Park 97 next time, maybe Guandi if we want to go local. I am back in the states for the Chinese New Year break and should be back in Shanghai the same week you are....shoot me an email.

[Rob Hay]

[QUOTE=Tango Foxtwo] My girl immediately classified him as a PLAYBOY of the highest class.

Shes Funny, great personality...I can see why you are happy with your Shanghai situation...Send her my regards

When I'm with a girl at a club and I see other girls checking me out I usually send a friend to kindly ask for the girl's number. This approach works very well with the non-pros in South America and I can usually go home with some new contact, so being new to the Shanghai scene I was looking to apply best practices.
While Tango was distracting the girl i was with, I sent his girl to get the number of a girl that seemed very interested. But as many US firms have found out you can't always apply best practices in China.

THe whole Armani thing seems like a very strange place to me..........i dont get the fact that all of these KTV girls go there to spend money.????I also dont get why guys would go to Armani if its the reverse KTV thing?? Am i missing something here??

I have the feeling that one of the freebies/ friend with benefits was either a kept girl or ktv girl. Her apartment was way too nice and she avoided questions but then again so did I about my life. I guess its good to have a secret place where nobody cares about anything except sex.

So....i dont get why guys would go to Armani if its the reverse KTV thing??

[LoveAsianWhores]

I have bought my ticket to Shanghai for the dates February 19 through the 25. I didn't realize that it was the beginning of the Chinese new year. I am now concerned that this could have a negative impact on the availability of woman. Should I change my ticket? If so, when is the soonest that things will be back to normal?

[Wilde]

I have bought my ticket to Shanghai for the dates February 19 through the 25. I didn't realize that it was the beginning of the Chinese new year. I am now concerned that this could have a negative impact on the availability of woman. Should I change my ticket? If so, when is the soonest that things will be back to normal?Maybe, but it also depends on the type of women you are after. The kind that works in the BBS will more likely return to their villages than the kind that hangs out in Zapata's. If you want things to be absolutely normal, first week of March would be safe.

[GlenEagle]

I have bought my ticket to Shanghai for the dates February 19 through the 25. I didn't realize that it was the beginning of the Chinese new year. I am now concerned that this could have a negative impact on the availability of woman. Should I change my ticket? If so, when is the soonest that things will be back to normal?.

Most of the people working in the offices will be back by 25th February, but I would recommend that you change your trip to early March instead.

Have Fun.

GlenEagle

[Wilde]

Sorry I'm so late to respond. AG is right, the curfew is gone at least at the Equatorial - I was able to bring in a sweet young thing at about 1am, no problem.

Equatorial is a better deal all around than the Hilton. Shanghai Hotel is cheaper, can't vouch for the quality versus the Equatorial. But the Shanghai Hotel comes with one of the best Saunas in town on the second floor. Can't get more convenient than that.

If you really want to save money, you might try the Chinese oriented Jing An Hotel down the street. If you really REALLY want to save money, there is a Hotel 168 within a (several block) walk.

GMHilton is indeed way past its prime and overpriced compared to what Equatorial costs. Hilton is probably only a 3.75 star while Equatorial is still a 4. Shanghai Hotel is known as a "domestic" 3/4 star hotel and that is why it costs less than half of the other two.

IMHO, Le Royal Meridien at the moment represent the best value for money amongst all the 5-star hotels west of the river. It is close to subway, shopping and is also girl-friendly. SW from Nanjing Road is readily available in the evening. (But don't follow the pimps to their place!) The room layout is very well designed, with 50' plasma TV and high thread cotton sheets and down duvet. I especially enjoyed the see-through glass shower/bath which one can put the girl in it for a lot of fun. All hotels in Shanghai have low promotional rates during CNY.

[Ace Gallant]

I have bought my ticket to Shanghai for the dates February 19 through the 25. I didn't realize that it was the beginning of the Chinese new year. I am now concerned that this could have a negative impact on the availability of woman. Should I change my ticket? If so, when is the soonest that things will be back to normal?

Those female that are not from Shanghai would go home for the Chinese New Year. Those that are from Shanghai and had made enough money, would think of going away for the Holidays.

Those remain behind are:

1) Not originally from Shanghai; had just started work in Shanghai
2) Had not made enough money to go home or go away for the holidays.
3) Take this time to rest and have fun.

For these 3 categories of female where will they go for the Holiday period?

On the side information:

Most Saunas, Bars and the KTV are still open during this period.

I was in Shanghai one of the previous CHinese New Year. I had fun with lots of freebies.

To change the dates or not to change the decision is totally up to you.

AG

[Ace Gallant]

The proprietor knows these guys, but the four poor guys who stopped at the bar apparently didn't... before we knew it, four very wide eyed guys quickly departed, probably certain they just escaped a bust.

We entered, proprietor was happy to see us. We settled in the back.

GM

A little correction to this; It was one of the girls who opened the door for us and the "Manager" was no where to be seen. We were joking about it that he most likely escaped from the back door!

After we had settled in, I over heard one of the girls talking on the cell with the Manager on the other end telling him that it is all clear!.

It was indeed a great adventure!
AG

[Tango Foxtwo]

Hey Rob,

The Armani thing is for the following reason:

1) Mix company play - where guys and girls can go
2) Rich young girls with daddy's money
3) KTV momma wanting to blow steam
4) KTV girls wanting to take control

I go to it when my girl's friend have birthday parties there.

I'm a tag-a-long. Becareful, tag-a-long's are ment to pay...no free lunch.

Did not want to say to you, but I think the tall Harbin girl is a PRIME KTV girl with rich OLD guy as backer. Maybe the OLD guy's back home in Japan or some other place.

Girls got to have a REAL guy to play with. You're the one. I envy you buddie.

As for all those KEPT girls, they ALL seems to have a younger stud like Rob around.

The real prime girls have several phones. One for business and other for personal. I met a Shanghai girl at ParK97 once and she calls me on one phone and takes calls from another phone.

For those brothers with long term girls, what's your view on these multiple phone usage?

One last thing, I just hate it when the girl constantly gets text messages and calls while I'm with her. How do you politely tell her that when she's with me, I must have her 100%? My current girl knows this, but some girls I find in Taiwan and Hong Kong just don't get it.

[Neuromancer]

[QUOTE=Rob Hay

So....i dont get why guys would go to Armani if its the reverse KTV thing??[/QUOTE]The guys at Armani are "working guys". Not sure if I was the only "civilian" there or not.

[UnderPSI]

Guys, I may be staying at the Sofitel Hyland Shanghai. Any recommedation to high class / quality KTVs and massage in the area?

Thanks

[Rob Hay]

[QUOTE=Tango Foxtwo]
Did not want to say to you, but I think the tall Harbin girl is a PRIME KTV girl with rich OLD guy as backer. Maybe the OLD guy's back home in Japan or some other place.

Funny but i was referring to another freebie but as far as the Harbin girl you met, she would be much better off working at a KTV or being "kept" but shes broke and even wears the same outfit almost every day. She works as a paid "party girl" at Attica, Muse, G+, and O2 in addition to her runway gigs....so not a whole lot of money there. Right now shes living with some broke local guy but,I told her I'd hook her up with Tango or any other rich guy...but shes not interested....yet. I even asked if she'd be interested in the KTV thing to suppliment the income...but no go, so far.

I guess you need to find the KTV or "kept" lifestyle on your own. A couple more years of being broke and she will find it.

As far as any of these other girls wanting to keep whatever secret life they have secret....who cares. No need to judge, why ruin a good thing. Flight Attendants are more current fave.

Tango has thrown some praise my way but hes truly "James Bond of Shanghai". I am only with freebies because I can't afford to roll with guys like Tango. The high end girls in the city are looking for at least 20k/month to hang and guys like him can pretty much hook up with any girl in the city. So there are plenty of guys who envy Tango, myself included.


This place Zapatas they you guys have mentioned is way too loud (music) and I didnt see too many hookup opportunites aside from fat Germans girls and lower end working girls. I didnt "get" this place. I dont think you guys will like this place.

[Carnesseur]

The real prime girls have several phones. One for business and other for personal. I met a Shanghai girl at ParK97 once and she calls me on one phone and takes calls from another phone.

For those brothers with long term girls, what's your view on these multiple phone usage?

One last thing, I just hate it when the girl constantly gets text messages and calls while I'm with her. How do you politely tell her that when she's with me, I must have her 100%? My current girl knows this, but some girls I find in Taiwan and Hong Kong just don't get it.Tango,

My girl has only one cellphone (that I know of). However, I've met other chinese (men and women) who use two cellphones. One to call out and one to receive calls. They told me they get good outgoing rates from one company and good incoming rates from another. So I was thinking that the poorer the person is, the more they would resort to those kinds of workarounds. But if you see really "prime" women doing it, it is probably for a different reason.

About the cellphone interruptions... On my last trip, my girl got lots of text messages and calls while we were together. Even left one time for the KTV and came back a couple hours later (I was pissed). After that, I just told her straight up that the phone action was not cool. She turned off her phone every night from then on. We'll see what happens on my upcoming visit. She has promised no interruptions, no phone, and no work ('cept on me...heehee).

By the way, I tried (against your better counsel) to renegotiate price with her, since I was going to be with her for a whole week. Should have listened to you. For a twenty year old, this girl has some negotiation skills. And in English at that. By the end of it (a two and a half hour skype session), she had me convinced that I was lucky to pay ONLY 2000 RMB per night for her. Something about I can't marry her, so there has to be something in it for her. I know...I'm a lame ass. ISGers please don't flame me.

Anyway Tango when you and Rob get together, count me in. Should be fun.

[Jean You]

Going to Shanghai in a couple of weeks - noticed that Zapatas on Wednesdays is the place to be. But what is the best place on Thursdays??

Usually tried the Tong Reng Lu area on Fridays and Saturdays, any better suggestions? Where is Zapatas located? Is there any nice places on Maoming Lu? Mostly freebies or Pros as well?

A warning - Manhattan has quite a lot of ladyboys so take care and don`t drink too much. Last time I was there a girl and a ladyboy went along with this guy for a threesome. Payment first but, then a double blowjob before he found the biggest clit he had ever seen.

[Gualtier Malde]

Going to Shanghai in a couple of weeks - noticed that Zapatas on Wednesdays is the place to be. But what is the best place on Thursdays??

Usually tried the Tong Reng Lu area on Fridays and Saturdays, any better suggestions? Where is Zapatas located? Is there any nice places on Maoming Lu? Mostly freebies or Pros as well?

A warning - Manhattan has quite a lot of ladyboys so take care and don`t drink too much. Last time I was there a girl and a ladyboy went along with this guy for a threesome. Payment first but, then a double blowjob before he found the biggest clit he had ever seen.

Maoming Lu is no more, for the most part... Zapatas is on Hengshan Lu, near (if memory serves) Dongping Lu. While Wednesday is ladies night, you may find it happening just as well on Thursday night. Bourbon Street is right down the way, and there are other happening bars in the area.

I've been to Manhattan many times (both the old Maoming Lu one and the current Tong Ren Lu one). It is not a big Ladyboy haunt, but it is certainly a place to find filipinas. There is always a contingent in the back, near the restrooms and back door.

Too bad about your "friend". (You sure sound like you know a lot about that episode... sure it wasn't you???? :-) )

GM

[Eaglestar]

Want to know more about an available, married, 36 year old Shanghai lady?

Senior, contributing members only can PM me. I have not done her.

All you lurkers and non contributing newbies please quit sending me PM for info. You ain't gonna git it! ! ! !

ES

[Alfifi]

I am going to be in Shangai in about 3 weeks. My hotel is at the Nanjing road.
Any recommondations, since I do not know Shangahi so well.

Thanks for any recommondation

[Neuromancer]

I am going to be in Shangai in about 3 weeks. My hotel is at the Nanjing road.
Any recommondations, since I do not know Shangahi so well.

Thanks for any recommondationUm. Nanjing Road is a very long road. Are you at Nanjing East Road (near the Bund) or Nanjing West Road (near the Ritz, Tong Ren Lu, etc)? Nanjing Road basically transects about 80% of Puxi. And Puxi is quite large.

Might wanna get a map first. It's a good idea to figure out where you are gonna be staying.

[Sapperken]

Hi guys! Looking for some guidance.

I will be in Shanghai in Mid March. Want to choose a hotel with an active pickup bar. Most used to Jakarta scene and want to find similar.

I have tried to RTFF but not getting much sense of where to go. Any of you more experienced hobbyists wanna share your favourite places?

Grateful for any feedback.

SK

[Gualtier Malde]

I am going to be in Shangai in about 3 weeks. My hotel is at the Nanjing road.
Any recommondations, since I do not know Shangahi so well.

Thanks for any recommondation


Use the Search, Luke...

GM

[Xtrafire]

I have tried out this incall service and I am not really convinced:

- Asking for a special girl whom you can find on the website bodymassage.com.cn, most of the time I have got an other one

- website is not available most of the time (if you ask, it is under construction, but later there is nothing new on it)

- the girls are not pro's

Tony: She is not a very beautiful one but she is somehow cute, funny and horny... I like her style and was satisfied with her service every time

Gigi: When asking for Fefe, I was send Gigi, pretending she is Fefe (and asking again when she left, she answered she is Gigi). Performance was soso... complaining that I am too big... You guys know this stuff! She smells strange... and is not beautiful or symphatic in my eyes. I tried her as I was really horny.. but never again

Fefe: Asked for her, but never got her.

Porsche (the one with the pictures on the website): Same as Fefe..

Porsche2: I call her Porsche2 as she is "sold" as Porsche but is not the one whom you can see on their homepage. Cute, nice C-cup, good gfe, sympathic

Kitty: She is not my type but in combination (threesome) with Porsche2 she is great.

All in all the girls I have tried are not the very good looking ones. Most of them have a "childish" style, means from clothing and make-up it is like children...
The price is quite high (ST: 1360, LT: 1880+, depending on the girl and time), especially when the wrong girls are sent "by mistake".

[Xtrafire]

I have also tried VIP massage:

Here I just know 2 Lucy's:

Both come for massage, which is 250 if I remember right. For HJ they ask 500, for BJ 800 and 1500 for full service. Nothing to add for that.

I don't know how to separate both Lucy's so I call them 1 and 2:

Lucy1: small, nice slim figure, massage is medium class or below. I have tried full service with her one time but just got the price down to 1200. She is playing well, all gfe, with finnish COF.

Lucy2: She is special. I don't like her appearance. She is not beautiful and talking the whole time and the voice... BUT: very good BJ (deepthroat) and rimming. But that is the only plus. I have thought a lot of times about calling her again, but because of the price and her ("stupid") talking I never did that again.

So regarding incall I am a little bit disapointed in Shanghai.

[LoveAsianWhores]

So I show up to the airport today for my flight to Shanghai. I had just put in a 12 hour day and had only 3 hours sleep to clear up my work and prepare for this trip. MAN, WAS I EXCITED.

So I am checking in and I am asked for my Visa. I explain to him that I am an American, so I can't possibly need a visa. He is insisting, and shows me the regulation. Did I feel stupid. I've done quite a bit of traveling around the world, particularly around Asia, and this was a first. I use to check visa reguations when I traveled, but since my past experiaces had always been "US citizens do not need a visa, or a visa can be obtained on entry", I just never thought about it.

And my business contact must think I am an idiot. First I schedule the trip for the first week of the new year (didn't know, and didn't even check with them before I bought the tickets), and it turns out the whole company is closed. And now this. If I was an employee, I would fire myself.

So the trip is off until I get my visa and new tickets. I am sooooooooo bummed. I thought I would be banging away at some sweet chinese pussy right now, instead of banging away at this keyboard. At least I'm stuck in Manila, so it's not like I won't get laid tonight. Oh well.

[Eaglestar]

So I am checking in and I am asked for my Visa. I explain to him that I am an American, so I can't possibly need a visa. He is insisting, and shows me the regulation. Did I feel stupid. I've done quite a bit of traveling around the world, particularly around Asia, and this was a first. I use to check visa reguations when I traveled, but since my past experiaces had always been "US citizens do not need a visa, or a visa can be obtained on entry", I just never thought about it.

If it makes you feel any better I did the same thing when I was living in Manila. Flying to Sydney w/o a visa. Fortunately Quantas telexed OZ conterpart and OZ immigration met me and I got a visa there. Still felt stupid though.

I gonna get some for you here in Shanghai tonight :)

ES

[Albert Punter]

Don't blame yourself, but blame travel agents who are responsible in such cases.
It happened the same to me some years ago on the way to India.
I didn't regret too much anyhow, as I was stuck in Bangkok :-)



At least I'm stuck in Manila, so it's not like I won't get laid tonight. Oh well.

[Cockburn]

Don't blame yourself, but blame travel agents who are responsible in such cases.

It happened the same to me some years ago on the way to India.
I didn't regret too much anyhow, as I was stuck in Bangkok :-)Law,

I had the same problem on my first trip to China. Carrying an American Passport has no Advantage in China. You need a visa to get into China! You were luckier because you were to fly direct into Shanghai and were stopped in USA side. My flight was into Hong Kong and from Hong Kong to China on the following day. On Checking in at the HKIA, I was asked for my Visa which I never was told that I needed one, I was turned away. Fortunately the Hong Kong Information center in HKIA had offered me information leading to obtaining a China Visa in Hong Kong. But that means I had to stay for another 2 extra days in Hong Kong while waiting for my Visa to be done. That’s 2 days off the initial schedule of getting sweet Chinese pussies!

I would blame it on my travel agent as they would have told me that I needed a Visa when I purchased my tickets.

CB

[Tango Foxtwo]

As far as any of these other girls wanting to keep whatever secret life they have secret....who cares. No need to judge, why ruin a good thing. Flight Attendants are more current fave..Flight Attendants. Now that makes me drool.

Looks like almost all girls in Shanghai has a secret life or another.

Rob, you're too kind. I wish I had your youth instead of my expense account. OK, my next trip - KTV's on me. You can bring your runway girls or pick new girls at KTV. Just pay the nominal 400 RMB tip and I'll take care of the momma, princess, room, food & drinks.

We'll play liars dice, mine field, 6-7-8-9 and much more. If you're into a more high octane place, we'll go to a crazy KTV.

Carnesseur, you're invited! Fun time in March!

[Smorb 27]

I explain to him that I am an American, so I can't possibly need a visa. In fact it's way more difficult for US citizens to get a visa than for most others.

[Wilde]

So I am checking in and I am asked for my Visa. I explain to him that I am an American, so I can't possibly need a visa. He is insisting, and shows me the regulation. Did I feel stupid.Well, you seem to have done just about everything to prepare for this trip. It might be a blessing in disguise as you could be bored to death in China now surrounded by all the Chinese New Year festivities but not the kind of action you were looking for. Friend of mine had a big firecracker blew up in his hand the other day.

I am sure you are a lot smarter than the majority of your compatriots. A lot of them are just starting to discover the necessity of a passport. Crossing the state line is much easier than venturing out of Fortress America.

[Jean You]

Thanks GM,

No, it was not me but the other day I went with the girl that really was a girl and she told me the whole story, but if I get too drunk one day. You never know, or?

I will check out these places in the beginning of March and report back to you!


Maoming Lu is no more, for the most part. Zapatas is on Hengshan Lu, near (if memory serves) Dongping Lu. While Wednesday is ladies night, you may find it happening just as well on Thursday night. Bourbon Street is right down the way, and there are other happening bars in the area.

I've been to Manhattan many times (both the old Maoming Lu one and the current Tong Ren Lu one). It is not a big Ladyboy haunt, but it is certainly a place to find filipinas. There is always a contingent in the back, near the restrooms and back door.

Too bad about your "friend". (You sure sound like you know a lot about that episode. Sure it wasn't you?)

GM

[Rob Hay]

To all the newbies read this link, this is a great intro guide written by a Shanghai expert. Honestly this is the 3rd time i've re-posted this link since I starting reading from the Shanghai forum in Nov. I dont think I'll be posting this too many more times.......

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=437583&postcount=4772

I written alot about places where I have met hot freebies if thats more your thing: Guandi, G+, Muse...read my posts from earlier this month. If you guys read every post for the last 4 or 5 months on this Shanghai forum, every question you could possibly have about Shanghai and more will be answered.

Tango/Carness: I get in the week of the 5th... I thought I might introduce you to come civilians i know or we do the Park 97 thing. That place stil has the hottest girls I've seen in China. Now that I have a good civilian network I've been looking to drop the KTV thing, although I'm always looking to add to the freebie network.

However I have good guanxi with the GM/head mama Lucy from the KTV on 98 Hua Hai Zhong Lu, so we can get free alcohol. No matter if we go or not Lucy is a very good contact for you guys to have. In addition to the alcohol thing, she'll remember the type of girl you like and reserve girls that are your style. Shes been the only females I've been able to have adult like conversations with in China. But I all the other girls i know are 18-22 so that doesnt help the cause.

I was dating a China Eastern flight attendant before I left but next month I'll be travelling to Seoul so hopefully you can give me some Korean language tips I really want to form some good guanxi with the Asiana flight attendants. From my perspective, Korean girls are more attractive and more sophisticated than their Chinese counterparts.

[Gualtier Malde]

To all the newbies read this link, this is a great intro guide written by a Shanghai expert. Honestly this is the 3rd time i've re-posted this link since I starting reading from the Shanghai forum in Nov. I dont think I'll be posting this too many more times.......

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=437583&postcount=4772



Thanks for the plug, Rob! Jackson gives me a royalty payment every time someone accesses that link! :-) (NOT! But Hey, Jackson, what a great idea! :-) )

GM

[Gualtier Malde]

So I show up to the airport today for my flight to Shanghai. I had just put in a 12 hour day and had only 3 hours sleep to clear up my work and prepare for this trip. MAN, WAS I EXCITED.

So I am checking in and I am asked for my Visa. I explain to him that I am an American, so I can't possibly need a visa. He is insisting, and shows me the regulation. Did I feel stupid.

Oh well.Oh, man, LAW, what a nightmare, but if you ever DO figure out how to get to Shanghai, I'll be happy to spot you a celebratory brew, at the pub which shall not be named so you can be guaranteed to complete the service you worked so hard to get!

I'm surprised you got as far as you did. I've yet to have a check in agent give me a boarding pass without confirming that I had a valid visa for the country I was entering. Maybe I'm just lucky that way.

I guess this means you didn't have any problem importing that sensitive business stuff!

Good luck next time! When are you coming back?

GM

[Gualtier Malde]

I have also tried VIP massage:

Here I just know 2 Lucy's:

Both come for massage, which is 250 if I remember right. For HJ they ask 500, for BJ 800 and 1500 for full service. Nothing to add for that.

I don't know how to separate both Lucy's so I call them 1 and 2:

Lucy1: small, nice slim figure, massage is medium class or below. I have tried full service with her one time but just got the price down to 1200. She is playing well, all gfe, with finnish COF.

Lucy2: She is special. I don't like her appearance. She is not beautiful and talking the whole time and the voice... BUT: very good BJ (deepthroat) and rimming. But that is the only plus. I have thought a lot of times about calling her again, but because of the price and her ("stupid") talking I never did that again.

So regarding incall I am a little bit disapointed in Shanghai.No offense, Xtrafire, but spending this much, TWICE, with access to this forum? But if you RTFF, and in particular, read, say, post #4772 (look at the Reports of Distinction, or Rob Hay just reposted the link), you'll get a lot more bang for the buck and more importantly, YOU WON'T SCREW UP THE MARKET FOR THE REST OF US!

GM

Ps: EDIT: But Xtrafire, at least you have seriously good redeeming factors, in that you posted reviews! Good going, man! For that, even though you have been seriously burned, I'll spot you a beer at the pub that won't be mentioned as well, if we are in town at the same time! (But you have to negotiate and pay for your own pussy.)

[Stickmanfob]

I have never had this experience before but have had the feet thing before (not really my cup of tea as I couldn't really touch her because she was too far away)

I am interested in the place of this as well. Sounds exciting. What was the cost involved as well? Name of the establishment as well as the location would be grateful.


Had the most unusual experience today at what I thought was a normal massage place. Went to one of the many massage parlours on Laoshan Road (between Weifang Road and Pudian Road in Pudong). Asked for a normal oil massage from one of the girls. My girl, a 23 year old from Anhui, proceeded to take me upstairs to a private room complete with a personal bathroom, shower and massage table. After I showered and changed into a pair of shorts, she returned and started a most excellent back and leg oil rubdown. When she flipped me over and continued, her constant touches on my little brother indicated that it was indeed a typical massage with happy ending. However, this time, she offerred to "da fei ji", either with her hands, her breasts, or her legs. I've ejaculated both on a girl's hands and boobs before, but never on the legs. So, I opted for her legs.

What happened next was very interesting. She poured more oil on my little brother, then on her leg. She next hugged me and then, while kissing my neck and chest, wrapped her knee around my penis. She then began moving her knee up and down on the penis! Let me tell you, it felt just like the real thing and I was able to touch all over her body. After about 5 minutes, I came all over her legs! Both of us were exhausted from the experience.

She told me afterwards that not everyone does this type of a service, and they had to practice quite a bit before offering it to their customers. Have any of you ever had this kind of experience before?

Nightwing

[Stickmanfob]

GM,

For those who visit every so often the summary sheet you have created is indeed so helpful. I know that things change often and I am always stuck on the Pudong side. Work schedule is crazy and my Chinese is non-exsistent. Therefore, getting in a taxi and going across the river is not always an option for me. Preferably I would like somewhere I could just walk to not having to deal with a taxi but if that is impossible then I gotta do what I gotta do.

I am Japanese.

Just looking for the most part for a place that offers a good massage and that the girl be naked when she gives me a HJ. Wandered around last time outside of my hotel (the Hyatt) and got a lame massage from accross the street with no hints of an extras which was way disappointing. It was a pretty big establishment.

Tried the escort thing but somehow couldn't really get that into it. Really enjoyed the last time I was there where we went to a Sauna across the river when the girl got naked and did just about everything except FS and was totally naked. Came out to lik $60US but was really relaxing and fun. I liked the girl who came by and cleaned my ears out too.

Not looking for anything that elobarate near the Hyatt just a quickie within walking distance. Searched under Pudong and Hyatt but not sure how close the street is that everyone talks about from the Hyatt.

Have any ideas GM?


Thanks for the plug, Rob! Jackson gives me a royalty payment every time someone accesses that link! :-) (NOT! But Hey, Jackson, what a great idea! :-) )

GM

[LoveAsianWhores]

I never got a boarding pass. The check-in agent at Manila airpot didn't give me one as I did not have a visa. The tickets were issued by Philippine Airlines, and they didn't inform me about visa requirements (not that I am blaming them, as I should have checked myself).

Tomorrow I go to the Chinese embassy to get my visa. At this point, I am a little uncomfortable about bringing all of my business equipment to China, so I am going to close my business for a week and come on a tourist visa. I'm hoping to make the Friday flight.



Oh, man, LAW, what a nightmare. And, just to be honest, you were totally stupid, man, but if you ever DO figure out how to get to Shanghai, I'll be happy to spot you a celebratory brew, at the pub which shall not be named so you can be guaranteed to complete the service you worked so hard to get!

I'm surprised you got as far as you did. I've yet to have a check in agent give me a boarding pass without confirming that I had a valid visa for the country I was entering. Maybe I'm just lucky that way.

I guess this means you didn't have any problem importing that sensitive business stuff!

Good luck next time! When are you coming back?

GM

[Mianbao]

Well I am WAY overdue for a post so here it is.

Recently have checked out the Filipina section at the back of Manhattan at Tongren. A bit hit and miss I must say. Had one OKish LT for 800 and one total dud who wanted 1000, however after a brief impersonation of a dead fish (drowned in alcohol - unfortunately didn't realise until we were out of the taxi at my place) at night and being pushed away in the morning I gave her 500 and chucked her out. I thought that was generous but she started going off about me ripping her off...whatever!

While on the topic of Tongren, can anyone shed some light on what is the point of the girlie bars at the south end? A bit of chatting and a body rub in return for a drink seems to be it...

A while ago I checked out a BBS with a bit of a difference. The girls were all 8/10s and wearing evening gowns, similar to what they wear in the HJ places on Wuzhong Lu. The ground floor where they are sitting is large, however they take you upstairs to a curtained area which is disproportiately smaller (a bit odd considering where that is where the business actually takes place). The service is only a HJ however before this happens they will get topless and give you a breast massage, similar to what you'd get in a sauna as foreplay. I could not get them below 150, pretty expensive for a HJ but I guess the extra is the breast massage and the quality of the girls. I am pretty sure I was not getting ripped off, and very rare was that the girl talked about giving satisfactory service to customers so that they will come back and repeat - pretty much the first BBS in Shanghai I've found that have understood this simple business concept! This place is easy to find, just walk west from the Jiangsu Lu/Yuyao Lu intersection (along Yuyao Lu) , it is the only BBS there. You can get there by taking line 2 to Jiangsu Lu station if you would rather save your taxi money for the girls.

P.S. Shame about Maoming Nan Lu, I presume some demolition will be starting there shortly. A scene of many happy memories. First Sanlitun Nan Lu and now this. I think I will have to avoid Nan Lu’s from now on!

Mianbao.

[Gualtier Malde]

Well I am WAY overdue for a post so here it is.

Recently have checked out the Filipina section at the back of Manhattan at Tongren...

... unfortunately didn't realise until we were out of the taxi at my place) at night and being pushed away in the morning I gave her 500 and chucked her out. I thought that was generous but she started going off about me ripping her off...whatever!I always prepare what I am going to pay the girl while she is cleaning up, so that she doesn't see the bills as I count them out. I always then fold them in half.

Then when she comes back into the room, but before she asks for the money, I make a point of visibly putting the folded bills into either her purse or into one of her clothing pockets, as she watches. I make sure that she sees a folded set of bills, but I don't offer for her to count.

I make a point of treating it as showing her respect. I try to indicate discretion while making sure she knows she has received the cash.

My point is, I have NEVER had a girl pull the money out and count it when done this way. Perhaps for some reason they feel it would be rude.

In the case of a provider that delivered much less than the promised service, I did not create a scene. Instead, I let her finish her abbreviated, rushed service, did my thing with the bills while she was cleaning up, but only put together the amount I felt she was worth (less than negotiated, but fair compensation for the little she did). I made sure she saw me put bills in her purse.

She happily picked up the purse, gave me a hug and her number, and left. I got a cheap f*ck, she got properly compensated, but not overcompensated, and no stress or scene was created.

Don't know if it will work for you, but seems to do the trick for me every time.


While on the topic of Tongren, can anyone shed some light on what is the point of the girlie bars at the south end? A bit of chatting and a body rub in return for a drink seems to be it.Depending on the girl, you may be able to arrange for encounters when they are off work (either after or before their work). I've even had a couple as freebies. These girls make their money by the drink. Typical girl is likely to make 75RMB per night on drinks. So they can be pretty motivated to make some money on the side.

There are a couple of bars that have some hidden nooks where you might be able to pursuade one to get wilder with you. I've groped and been groped very heavily in a closet and on a staircase in a TongRenLu bar that I won't name (because I intend to use those hiding places again!). One of the gang members tells of another bar that actually has a bedroom in which he's had full service with a girl, but it isn't generally available to customers - he's just damn lucky...

So your goal is to get the most you can while minimizing the number of drinks you consume! Good luck! And avoid the liar's dice...


GM

[Seirguel]

Hello guys,

Since this is my first post, I do not know the abbreviations you are using here, like BBS, FS. Can somebody please give me some clue.

I have read that some of you have tried chinese ladies and some filipina ladies, can you tell which one is the best? And which one should I pay less, because I havent try getting a girl here in shanghai.

Thanks a lot guys

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[Albert Punter]

Gualtier I agree with you 101% .

However, there will always be people who for some reason pay more than "normal rates".

Just see this ad I have spotted on a local website:

"Willing to pay 4,000RMB to the most beautiful girl who calls and saves me from this boredom. Just one night is all I ask, to enjoy your amazing Chinese beauty. Maybe more if you are extra beautiful. I am sophisticated and a gentleman, VIP only please."


No offense, Xtrafire, but spending this much, TWICE, with access to this forum?

[Albert Punter]

This is another ad on same website:

"I am looking for a girl who enjoy sex. I am a foreigner, clean, handsome guy in Shanghai. I can support you with 5000RMB/month if you are willing to meet with 3-4 times a week and play with me. We can meet any time after finshing at office including staurday and sunday If you are interested please send me a introduction and a full body photo with your answer. No photo, no answer from me. You should have a slim figure.Your age 18 to 30."

So , this guy is offering only 20% more money (a little higher than discussed in this thread for a monthly lump sum, I believe) not for just one night but for a whole month.

[Neuromancer]

This is another ad on same website:

"I am looking for a girl who enjoy sex. I am a foreigner, clean, handsome guy in Shanghai. I can support you with 5000RMB/month if you are willing to meet with 3-4 times a week and play with me. We can meet any time after finshing at office including staurday and sunday If you are interested please send me a introduction and a full body photo with your answer. No photo, no answer from me. You should have a slim figure.Your age 18 to 30."

So , this guy is offering only 20% more money (a little higher than discussed on this thread, I believe) not for just one night but for a whole month.Maybe it's a recruiting scam?

[Pemcd]

Hi guys,

If anyone wants to join to hunt the Village BBS area? I am a Laoweim speak, little bit of Chinese and end 20's. Please pm me.

Maybe tomorrow or Friday?

Please advise.

[Albert Punter]

Hello new friend,

Jackson suggested how to understand abbreviations we commonly use.

Let me just add a few words about BBS.
This is a shop that looks like a barber shop, with turning lamp outside and typical chairs inside, anyway you don't get haircut there but sexual services, varying from HJ to BJ to FS. Normally you realize it is a BBS, and not a legitimate barber shop, as you only see girls inside. They typically are not too dressed and wave at you when you go by, and invite you to enter.
In many cases English is not spoken there, however it is not necessary to speak Chinese to let them understand what type of service you desire.

As far as locations and prices, just read this thread and enjoy.
Also, I recommend you read http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=437583&postcount=4772 where you can find more detailed info about BBS and all sex scene here.

Please don't forget to post your experiences !



Hello guys,

Since this is my first post, I do not know the abbreviations you are using here, like BBS, FS. Can somebody please give me some clue.

I have read that some of you have tried chinese ladies and some filipina ladies, can you tell which one is the best? And which one should I pay less, because I havent try getting a girl here in shanghai.

Thanks a lot guys

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[Albert Punter]

Sorry, but I forgot to reply to second question you have made.

I cannot tell you which is the best, as I think this depends a lot on our personal taste and on every different girl attitude. To me both are OK for sex. Advantage with filipinas is they normally speak good English.

A difference exists in price, as I have heard they are more expensive than local girls.

I can only suggest you to search this thread for "filipina" and you will find some interesting posts.



I have read that some of you have tried chinese ladies and some filipina ladies, can you tell which one is the best? And which one should I pay less, because I havent try getting a girl here in shanghai.

[Neuromancer]

Sorry, but I forgot to reply to second question you have made.

I cannot tell you which is the best, as I think this depends a lot on our personal taste and on every different girl attitude. To me both are OK for sex. Advantage with filipinas is they normally speak good English.

A difference exists in price, as I have heard they are more expensive than local girls.

I can only suggest you to search this thread for "filipina" and you will find some interesting posts.Very strange. Why look for filipinas in China? Why not just head over to PI. Lookup Surfer while you're there.

If you don't care what they look like and just want a filipina, plenty of free ones (ok, maybe minimal charge) down here in HK. Would NEVER pay for a filipina, especially if she was more expensive than a local.

Just my 2c

[Bonzo1]

Whomsoever thinks that people paying "more" will ruin the market has a either a) never studied economics or b) has a very poor understaning of the subject.

People, chill. Seriously, if you are so paranoid that you truly believe a few punters are going to ruin the market you are patholagically misconstrued. ...which may exactly be the reason why you can't afford to compete (in your own mind, since competion will only exist in an effiecent and sizeable market, wich SH is not).

I personally tip my hat to anyone who is paying more than the market. Good for you!!! And I will do the same, because a) I don't give a shit what uneducated people think. and b) I have enough money to not worrry about such trifel things anyway.


Gualtier I agree with you 101% .

However, there will always be people who for some reason pay more than "normal rates".

Just see this ad I have spotted on a local website:

"Willing to pay 4,000RMB to the most beautiful girl who calls and saves me from this boredom. Just one night is all I ask, to enjoy your amazing Chinese beauty. Maybe more if you are extra beautiful. I am sophisticated and a gentleman, VIP only please."

[Member #2041]

Hey Bonzo1, before you diss other posters for their lack of understanding of the principles of economic pricing theory, you might wish to look into the mirror and scold yourself.

In fact, it's an EFFICIENT, SIZEABLE market where a small number of punters paying too much over the equilibrium price WON'T effect the pricing to everyone else. In an inefficient, small market, which you claim the Shanghai escort market to be, the unwise actions of a few fools WILL drive the overall price level to a new (in this case, higher) market price point. In fact, this is one of the very mechanisms by which such a price increase would be expected to be driven - some others would be a decrease in the supply of escorts or an increase in the number of punters demanding them.

And BTW, I did my graduate work in Economics at the University of Chicago, under a handful of Nobel laureates, (Gary Becker, George Stigler, Merton Miller, and Robert Fogel to name a few - Milton Friedman had already left for Stanford) if you'd really care to get into this subject further.

[Travelers25]

And BTW, I did my graduate work in Economics at the University of Chicago, under a handful of Nobel laureates, (Gary Becker, George Stigler, Merton Miller, and Robert Fogel to name a few - Milton Friedman had already left for Stanford) All well-known mongerers in their own right. ;)

[Rob Hay]

Albert Punter,

please disclose what website you are copying these ads from.



I don't think anyone should applaud someone willing to pay 4k RMB to anyone in Shanghai. I feel sorry for this guy actually after reading his ad.....he sounds like a very lonely man.

The guy in the other ad will get a dog for 5k/month. 20k/month is closer to the going rate for a dime in Shanghai. But this topic has been covered over and over on this boards and there no reason to go back into it. As for me I aint paying shi*

[Ace Gallant]

Whomsoever thinks that people paying "more" will ruin the market has a either a) never studied economics or b) has a very poor understaning of the subject.

I personally tip my hat to anyone who is paying more than the market. Good for you!!! And I will do the same, because a) I don't give a shit what uneducated people think. and b) I have enough money to not worrry about such trifel things anyway.

IMHO: Economics or no Economics, I do not believe that overpaying is something right or wrong. This person may be desperate and need to get laid, new in town where he knows no one, or just another guy who likes to brag, do not RTFF and got ripped off.

If he did RTFF and still went on to overpay, he is indeed “spoiling the market”. For those experience mongers would agree and experience these as one of the main reasons why girls would charge more for foreigners as compared to locals. If you have mamasan as friends, they would tell you; “We know that foreigners are here for a short time, and the reason they are here is because they have the money to travel, they are stupid and easy to be ripped off, so if we don’t ripped them off, some other shops will.”

I’d lost count of the numerous times when I walked into a BBS or started negotiating with a girl with my Laowai friend by my side and the starting price is always twice of that if I were to be alone. I do not mind paying a bit extra after the girls give me good or great service. But this is only after everything is over! However I do not like the feeling of paying extra but yet the moment you walk out of the shop, they were scolding behind your back how stupid you were. Not to mention the part that the image he had created that all foreigners are stupid and easily ripped off. These will cause all the girls to raise their starting price before negotiations.

So, whether it is just one person overpaying or a whole bunch of foreigners overpaying; words gets around, market price increase and it cause everybody to pay more for the same product. Remember, it is not the amount of extra money been paid, it is the bad feeling of been ripped off or been called a “Stupid Foreigner” that matters!

But well, Gentleman; Not taking sides on anyone; but does it occurs to you that there are some exceptions some people that fly into Shanghai for a 1 - 3 days business trip, mongering is not an subject to discuss about with Business people around him, looked up the papers or yellow pages for massage services and thought this is it! After he got ripped off, (still not realizing that he was ripped off) went on the Internet and found this great web site called the ISG. Let’s just give this guy a break ….. been ripped off is bad enough, been ripped off and yet posting about it, which invited a whole lots of posts flaming him is worst! How would you feel if you were in his position?

Just my POV.
AG

[Eaglestar]

Ok Curious George, some AFF musings. As most here know I am not a true monger in that I use AFF (asiafind.com) almost exclusively. I have not visited a MP or KTV in donkey’s years. Different strokes, different kind of chase or hunt.

At one point I was a premium (Gold) member but found out I can be just a successful as a standard member. Being standard member limits the number of messages that can be sent in a 24 hour period but what the hey. 10 messages in 24 hours is a lot so……..

First off, I have prepared a “form letter” that I use for almost all of my initial contacts. After reading the lady’s profile I might modify it slightly but mostly I just copy and paste it into the body of the message. This form letter is a pretty straightforward introduction about me and what I want to find. I play down, but do not deny, that I am still married but separated from my wife. I loose some from doing this but I have found that a large number just don’t give a shit.

I realize some cannot afford to post a photo in a profile for obvious reasons but posting a nice (but not a studio) photo or two or three helps a great deal. The second and subsequent photos could be more casual. Further, filling out all the other pages in the profile is equally important. It is a pain in the ass but it tells more about you (or at least what you want the girls to think about you).

This is part of what I wrote in my profile to describe the kind of woman I would be interested in:

“My wish is to find a nice lady to be with, to care for and who would care for me. Kinda touchy, feely, warm and fuzzy.

You should be compassionate to those who are less fortunate than we are and hold your family in deep respect. You must care about the feelings of others.

I like ladies who are tidy, clean, thrifty, easy to meet others, outgoing, fun loving, romantic........

We must all celebrate the cultural differences between East and West and not allow these differences to become barriers. We are all different and that is what makes us so wonderful. Don't you think it would be awful if we are all alike?”

While watching TV or just listening to music I get on line wireless. Go to the first page and see who is on line and begin the selection process. I have set my Cupid settings for 100km from Shanghai so that includes Suzhou and Hangzhou. Also set it for age 33 to 42 because at my advanced age most 20 something or younger girls won’t answer me. Also I have clicked that I want to find “activity partner, serious relationship, casual dating”. This culls the profiles shown accordingly.

I hone in on married ladies as I have found they are less “clingy” and expect less outside the bedroom. Presently I am doing three married ladies.

While I am searching and sending I open the instant messaging and occasionally I will have a lovely (or some fat middle age woman from Guanxi) sending me messages. This is about the only way I connect with the younger ones. Some success here in that if they are contacting me it means they have already read my profile and have some degree of interest. If I am interested, I quickly switch to Yahoo or MSN messenger. Kinda like fishing, throw the baited line in and wait for a bite.

Guess I send out 10-15 messages a week. Typically I’ll get a 25%-35% response rate meaning I will get 3-4 responses. Eventually get a couple in bed.

I'd venture 85-90% are looking for more than a quick drill. In fact to get one in the sack on the first date is fairly uncommon for me unless I have really chatted her up for a while.

Now, having said that, I have posted some here who are just party girls and only want a nice hard drill. Long term with most of these is over night. I don't think I have ever run across what some might call a "semi pro" on AFF though.

Generally speaking you need to chat with most of the AFF ladies for a while (maybe 2-3 weeks in some cases) and raise their comfort level. They want to feel like they can justify boinking you and still say they are a "traditional Chinese Lady". That phrase cracks me up, especially when they say immediately following that they are "Open Minded". I think the correct interpretation of open minded is........"I will not sleep with you on the first date, but very likely I will on the second date."

ES

[Gualtier Malde]

I have read that some of you have tried chinese ladies and some filipina ladies, can you tell which one is the best? And which one should I pay less, because I havent try getting a girl here in shanghai.



I've tried both. I think there are certain notable differences. Of course, each girl is unique, so this certainly isn't a universal judgement.

AP points out the obvious: filipinas generally speak better english. If you are an english-only kind of laowei, this can mean a lot from a quality experience perspective.

Filipinas in Shanghai are almost all Catholic. Among other things, it can mean that they are not practicing birth control, and if they get pregnant will more than likely keep the baby. Act accordingly.

Also, most of the filipinas you meet are mothers with at least one child back home. They are here to support them.

I find Filipinas to be more genuinely passionate and interested/willing to try things with you. Perhaps it is the lower language barrier, but it seems easier to get a filipina girl to consider trying things sexual with you. I got one to try a girl-girl experience with another Filipina - it wasn't difficult at all.

I find that Filipinas tend to try to charge you a bit more than a Chinese girl. This may or may not be worthwhile to you.

Compared to the full time Chinese pros and streetwalkers, I find the Filipinas to be less "hardened", easier to get them to relax and be friends.

On the other hand, I find the Chinese to be somehow more interesting and refined... but perhaps a bit more aloof. Also, the Chinese ladies can be harder to persuade to do more extreme acts...

But again, each girl is unique.

Good luck!

GM

[Gualtier Malde]

Whomsoever thinks that people paying "more" will ruin the market has a either a) never studied economics or b) has a very poor understaning of the subject.

People, chill. Seriously, if you are so paranoid that you truly believe a few punters are going to ruin the market you are patholagically misconstrued. ...which may exactly be the reason why you can't afford to compete (in your own mind, since competion will only exist in an effiecent and sizeable market, wich SH is not).

I personally tip my hat to anyone who is paying more than the market. Good for you!!! And I will do the same, because a) I don't give a shit what uneducated people think. and b) I have enough money to not worrry about such trifel things anyway.

Learn to spell.

Idiot.

GM

[Bonzo1]

That was a string of typos. My point was intended to be that people are way too concerned about "spoiling the market" here and we're not going to prevent it by flaming a people who post their experiences of paying a bit more than others would have. While this site is info-packed and extremely useful, it's certainly not an effective instrument for price control.

I have noticed that in the SH site people get onto others pretty hard when they feel those people have overpaid, and I believe it's unnecessary (I will cite your post for the theory behind this...it is a HUGE and at least semi-effficient market here). Also, it is inevitable that people are going to pay different prices. ....and even if Nick Leason is one of them, it's not gonna spoil the market ;)

HOWEVER, I want to apologize for my argumentative post which was written in total drunkness and anger (about something that has absolutely nothing to do with this subject at all). A brief explanation is that I was trying - feebly - to stand up for "the little guy", i.e. the people whom I feel have been unfairly flamed. However, I did it in bad taste and purely in anger, and more to the point in a totally uninformative way. I wish I could undo it, but since I cannot I simply humbly apologize and hope anyone offended accepts my apology and my admission that my anger was/is my own issue and not a relevant, valid, or justified condemnation of them (particularly GM, to whom I am directly apologizing).

-B-




Hey Bonzo1, before you diss other posters for their lack of understanding of the principles of economic pricing theory, you might wish to look into the mirror and scold yourself.

In fact, it's an EFFICIENT, SIZEABLE market where a small number of punters paying too much over the equilibrium price WON'T effect the pricing to everyone else. In an inefficient, small market, which you claim the Shanghai escort market to be, the unwise actions of a few fools WILL drive the overall price level to a new (in this case, higher) market price point. In fact, this is one of the very mechanisms by which such a price increase would be expected to be driven - some others would be a decrease in the supply of escorts or an increase in the number of punters demanding them.

And BTW, I did my graduate work in Economics at the University of Chicago, under a handful of Nobel laureates, (Gary Becker, George Stigler, Merton Miller, and Robert Fogel to name a few - Milton Friedman had already left for Stanford) if you'd really care to get into this subject further.

[Member #2041]

I have noticed that in the SH site people get onto others pretty hard when they feel those people have overpaid, and I believe it's unnecessary (I will cite your post for the theory behind this...it is a HUGE and at least semi-effficient market here). Also, it is inevitable that people are going to pay different prices. ....and even if Nick Leason is one of them, it's not gonna spoil the market ;)
OK, you passed Econ 101 on the re-test. But, as you see, it's never a good idea to write a scholarly text, nor to lecture others while you're drunk.

[Lao Ma]

nothing gets my goat more, even more than know-it-all punters on this forum, than holier-than-thou academics. Member 2041, no one really gives a shite that you went to U of C. Half the people in my company also got their MBA's from UC. What is your point - because you went there you've got the high ground on all discussions related to economics ? That's rich. I got my MBA from Northwestern. Does than mean I should waive that diploma around whenever a discussion starts on marketing ? No way. It's not your diploma that matters - that's just your entrance to the party. It's what you do with what you learned that matters.

Bonzo didn't write a scholarly text, Professor. He just made an observation. Don't get your bowels in an uproar.

Anyway I guess I should post something related to getting laid. I've found some good bbs's in Pudong recently, as well as a couple okay ones (they get the job done) in the JingAn temple area. PM for details.

[Albert Punter]

http://www.shanghai-ed.com/


Albert Punter,

please disclose what website you are copying these ads from.

[Albert Punter]

Why should we PM to get info ?
Isn't the purpose itself of this forum to share info ?

So, please post the details about these BBS's.
You will satisfy the hunger of those looking for good places in Pudong.
Thanks.




Anyway I guess I should post something related to getting laid. I've found some good bbs's in Pudong recently, as well as a couple okay ones (they get the job done) in the JingAn temple area. PM for details.

[Albert Punter]

Some time ago I was in a taxi in a totally unknow area when at a red light a nice shop's window catched my attention.

It was a ladies underwear shop.
Presentation of products was quite aggressive, in some way looked to me SM stuff. Anyhow, it seemed a nice place to buy a present for the "second wife".

Then at green taxi moved and it was impossible for me to read name of the street.

I was only able to read a website name on shop's door www.titillate.com.cn , which was quite intriguing too.
Those reading Chinese may browse there and get address and a lot of other info.

[Ace Gallant]

Some time ago I was in a taxi in a totally unknow area when at a red light a nice shop's window catched my attention.

It was a ladies underwear shop.
Presentation of products was quite aggressive, in some way looked to me SM stuff. Anyhow, it seemed a nice place to buy a present for the "second wife".

Then at green taxi moved and it was impossible for me to read name of the street.

I was only able to read a website name on shop's door www.titillate.com.cn , which was quite intriguing too.
Those reading Chinese may browse there and get address and a lot of other info.

上海市卢湾区自忠路345号

No. 345 Zhi Zhong Road, Lu Wan District, Shanghai.

BTW: This vould be the address of the Office and not the shop.

AG

[LoveAsianWhores]

I'm based in Manila and will be in Shanghai as soon as I can get my visa, hopefully in about a week. I've been reading several posts regarding the Filipinas in Shanghai. While I'm certainly NOT INTERESTED in filipinas in China (I have them for breakfast, lunch and dinner out here and I am looking for a change), I don't understand why they are there. Why would a Filipina working girl leave the PI for China? If she was attractive, she could work in the PI, and if she was not, how could she work in China? Even if she could earn a little more per day in China, I would have to assume that travel and living expenses would eat up the extra income, especially since she couldn't stay long on a regular visa. What am I missing. Are they there for some other reason, and just fall into this line of work? A cute 18-20 year old in Manila will earn about $40 a customer, and will typically have 3 to 5 customers a week. How much can she earn in Shanghai? [Link deleted by Admin]

On my scale, these are women that rank 8-9. How much would the chinese equivelent cost for a couple of hours/all night? How much for the Filipina in Shanghai? Since I have to rebook my ticket, the answers that I get will determine how long I come for.

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[Carnesseur]

From what I have seen, Filipinas dominate the live bar band industry. So they probably come to China to work in a band and do some extra fucking on the side. The Filipinas I have seen in Shanghai/Suzhou were not as good looking the ones in your photos. On that note, based on your pics, I am going to make a point to do a layover in Manila on one of my future trips to China. Nice work, LAW.

Regarding the cost. I may not be the best authority, so take my opinion for what it's worth. I would say that the 9s in your pictures (May 16, 2006 girl, I think, and the February 2007) would be high end KTV type girls. Probably upscale nightclubs too, but I've never been to those places. I think it would be rare to find streetwalkers, BBS girls, or Sauna girls at that level. But the more senior members can shed more light, I'm sure. At these high-end KTVs, the costs are pretty high. At the one I know about on 98 Huai Hai Road, Rob Hay confirmed that he could not get an LT below 1200 RMB (150 USD), and I believe he is ABC and fluent, so he should be able to get a good price. However you will definitely find 8s and 9s at that place. Most will not speak much English, so the ones who do may try to demand more. Also keep in mind all the extra costs of the KTV that have been discussed in other posts.

However, others have mentioned having great luck with freebies at those upscale clubs. So you might be able to get some of that.


I'm based in Manila and will be in Shanghai as soon as I can get my visa, hopefully in about a week. I've been reading several posts regarding the Filipinas in Shanghai. While I'm certainly NOT INTERESTED in filipinas in China (I have them for breakfast, lunch and dinner out here and I am looking for a change), I don't understand why they are there. Why would a Filipina working girl leave the PI for China? If she was attractive, she could work in the PI, and if she was not, how could she work in China? Even if she could earn a little more per day in China, I would have to assume that travel and living expenses would eat up the extra income, especially since she couldn't stay long on a regular visa. What am I missing. Are they there for some other reason, and just fall into this line of work? A cute 18-20 year old in Manila will earn about $40 a customer, and will typically have 3 to 5 customers a week. How much can she earn in Shanghai? As a point of reference, I post several of the better looking working girls I find on my photo blog at s p l a s h b l o g . c o m/m a n i l a f u n The password is: lifeisgood . I'm not allowed to post the address here (jackson doesn't allow references to external pictures) so this might get me banned, but I'll take my chances.

On my scale, these are women that rank 8-9. How much would the chinese equivelent cost for a couple of hours/all night? How much for the Filipina in Shanghai? Since I have to rebook my ticket, the answers that I get will determine how long I come for.

[Member #2041]

nothing gets my goat more, even more than know-it-all punters on this forum, than holier-than-thou academics. Member 2041, no one really gives a shite that you went to U of C. Half the people in my company also got their MBA's from UC. What is your point - because you went there you've got the high ground on all discussions related to economics ? That's rich. I got my MBA from Northwestern. Does than mean I should waive that diploma around whenever a discussion starts on marketing ? No way. It's not your diploma that matters - that's just your entrance to the party. It's what you do with what you learned that matters.

Bonzo didn't write a scholarly text, Professor. He just made an observation. Don't get your bowels in an uproar.
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My point, seeing as how you missed it in it's entirety, simply was, that Bonzo1 was wrong, but not only that, HE was holier than thou about it. If one wanted to be holier than thou about their knowledge of economics, one had the simple duty to get the elementary econ-101 level stuff correct. As for my comment about writing a scholarly text, perhaps you missed the heavy dollop of sarcasm I applied with it (but then, they may not teach you how to recognize sarcasm in Phil Kotler's marketing class - which would explain your failure to recognize it, despite your august academic credentials from the Chicago suburbs).

Incidentally, I will grant you one claim of superiority for your Chicagoland academic institution over mine: Cindy Crawford is a far finer piece of ass than any who has ever cracked open a book in Hyde Park.

[Satellite]

On that note, there is a company on Hongmei Lu and the Yanan Lu Overpass (near the Hongmei Lu bar street). Acording to their Ad in front of their shop, they provide Philipinas for housekeepers, English tutors... They might have a catalogue of pictures of the Philipinos available to be hired.

I have not gone there to check it out but I used to have the thoughts of having a cute PI lady cleaning my house and cooking for me that awesome food and maybe some convenient bada boom badda bing.

I caution you about having a cute PI housekeepers- especially in China- missing that dark tanned soft skin:

When I went to Angeles, a USA friend there was having a bachelor party and he told me his story of renting a house off Fields Ave. He hired a pretty PI house keeper as my thoughts. She came in in the morning and cooked breakfast, cleaned the house and then had dinner ready for him. He did not mind her staying there bumming around and he would go bar hopping and bring numerious girls back. He paid her ~$100 US and every month bought a large bag of rice for her family. It was not long before he was drunk and started also going to town with the cute housekeeper. After being spoiled for too long by her (cooking, cleaning, poon on demand...), he fell in love and the bachelors party was for her. He warned me never to have a pretty housekeeper as you might not help from falling for her. NOTE: it was not long before he had to hire an ugly Philipino to do the house cleaning.

Same applies here for Chinese housekeepers.

Satellite

[Seirguel]

Thanks for the response and tip guys.

Ladies from the BBS with pink lights always waive their hands on me when I pass infront of them, I'm just scared to response because I don't know what will happen if I enter their shop and most of them also are not that good.

While the massage parlours that are mentioned here are a little expensive for me, so I'm hoping to find a cheaper massage parlours. Filipina, I'm not that interested getting a filipina girl here because I have tried them before in manila and I can say that they are good and easy to deal with, I just want some tip in getting them just incase that I can't find a good chinese lady here because I havent tried chinese.

How about the girls in nanjing road who approaches guys, are they all hookers or something else?

[The AF]

Dear fellowers,

I am now 1 week in Shanghai as of today and really into picking up girls, escorts, SW's etc and bring them to the hotel. Good brothels are fine as well!

Please provide information concerning websites, addresses, phone numbers etc.

Thanks so much,

The AF

[Westsider]

Decided to try a first adventure to the village on a Thursday afternoon at 3:00 pm. Took the alley left of the Homemart, past the gate into small area of side streets through 1 and 2 story buildings. Very quiet with no signs of ladies or any tell-tail signs (hawkers, signs, etc). Walked to back and saw some light industry shops, walked sideways and saw only flats. All very quiet. Is this a night-only place? or too close to New Years?, or simply the wrong place?

[Westsider]

Waves Sauna is located 50m off Zhongshan West Road at 1281. Take alley off main street to first alley on left. Enter 20m down alley on right side entrance. Very friendly management with no problem with english. Fish bowl had many 5-6's but a few 8-9's. Zhong Wei no 951 offered good service with a great attitude. Very sexy lady which I had to repeat a week later. Very clean with 650. 700 rmb pricing based on time of day.

[Red Sun]

Hello, good day to all Shanghai members,

I had been requested by my client in to Japan to go to Shanghai to help in their legal matters. My client told me that they will assign a beautiful lady translator for my whole week while I am in Shanghai. But he told me with a smile and purposely repeated to me that she is Beautiful.

I know that in China there are many lady translators who will also act as escort in the evening. My question to Shanghai experts: How will I know if this translator is legit or not? Do I ask ask directly or do I have to hint to her?

Your Input is very much Appreciated.

I would like to hook up with the Shanghai Gang while I am there. Hopefully I have to honor to do so.

Sun

[BJK]

How about the girls in nanjing road who approaches guys, are they all hookers or something else?Something else, they will take you to restaurant where you will be ripped off.

BJK

[Sailing]

No doubt - a quick glance through his posts show absolutely no useful information whatsoever.I guess that the criteria for senior must be different in some areas, I was a little surprised that all he wrote was basically "I am here help me" in many of his 12 posts. I guess he contributes in other ways but hey they don't help us much. I only wrote 100+ reports so maybe I am still a newbie and don't deserve senior either eh.

Soujourn, are you over there in Shanghai now? Ain't you no longer in the big Mikan? Take care.

[Member #2041]

I guess that the criteria for senior must be different in some areas, I was a little surprised that all he wrote was basically "I am here help me" in many of his 12 posts. I guess he contributes in other ways but hey they don't help us much. I only wrote 100+ reports so maybe I am still a newbie and don't deserve senior either eh...

Soujourn, are you over there in Shanghai now? Ain't you no longer in the big Mikan? Take care.If you will notice the banner near the top of your screen, Jackson will sell a subscription for $19.95 per year that provides access to all of the services that this forum offers, even if you have no posting history. Undoubtedly, this poster has paid his twenty bucks to become a senior member without making any useful contributions to the content of the site.

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Greetings everyone,

You cannot buy a Senior Membership. Senior Membership has nothing to do with buying or having a subscription.

Thanks,

Jackson

My apologies for the incorrect speculation on my part, which Jackson has corrected here. But then, I too am curious how the poster in question became a senior member.

[Neuromancer]

If you will notice the banner near the top of your screen, Jackson will sell a subscription for $19.95 per year that provides access to all of the services that this forum offers, even if you have no posting history. Undoubtedly, this poster has paid his twenty bucks to become a senior member without making any useful contributions to the content of the site.

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Greetings everyone,

You cannot buy a Senior Membership. Senior Membership has nothing to do with buying or having a subscription.

Thanks,

JacksonActually, that's why I thought it was strange in the first place. According to the FAQ, this is how to become a Senior Member:

Senior Members are former Regular Members who have been members for at least 6 months and have made 25 or more contributions to The Forum. Senior Member's reports are sometimes held until they are reviewed by a Forum Moderator depending on the individual member's past posting history.

[Ipohdog]

Yes, the ladies in Manila are sweet. If you are looking for that type of quality & I'm assuming you want all night, you will need to budget for abour RMB1500 to 2000/night.

Now if you are OK with ST, you can get very good quality at the MP. You can choose your honey & have 1.5hours of fun, but not all night. Damage will be RMB600 +/- depending on the joint you go to.

Don't know your age/looks, but the other opportunity is to try to tackle girls, which if you are there for a week or so may be difficult cause it usually takes one night out & lots of phone chats to get them to bed.

Happy mongering.

Bow Wow

[Admin]

My apologies for the incorrect speculation on my part, which Jackson has corrected here. But then, I too am curious how the poster in question became a senior member.Hi Member #2041,

He was grandfathered in as a Senior Member approximately 3 years ago when I first instituted the multi-tiered membership system.

Thanks,

Jackson

[Wilde]

After reading Eaglestar's excellent report on his AFF tactics (see http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=565741&postcount=7909), I set up an account there just to see what the game is like. After about 2-3 hours of browsing, I must say that it is a relative target rich area. But the name of the game is patience and it is sort of like investing for retirement. It is all about long-term returns and diversification.

While I was there, I noticed a lot of women looking for women (only) kind of ads but what is unique about it is that majority of them are lipstick lesbians. The pictures of many of these women are stunning, much better than the quality of the average w4m ads. And I am only seeing one picture of every profile because I am only a non-paying standard member. Some were darn right tantalizing with heels, stockings and etc. The usual saying about all the good looking men are gay and all the lesbians are ugly does not seem true any more. There is only one that is sort of butch and she is an American teaching English in Beijing. A lot of these girls state that they have been hurt or deceived by men in the past so now have turned to companionship of a woman. To me those are not true lesbians. And my true lesbian friends agree when I asked her about it. But whatever it is, they are the kind of lesbians that fit my idea of a lesbian fantasy. Maybe I will keep the AFF account just to see if I can realize that fantasy.

Have any colleagues here encountered such lipstick lesbians in China?

[PuttPutt509]

I stayed at the Radisson New Word Shanghai. I found no action at the top floor bar and the sauna appeared legit and expensive, so I went for a walk. Found the Joy Massage about a 10 minute walk away across the street from the Howard Johnson's hotel. Was encouraged to come in by a massage girl who spoke a small amount of english. I went in and the massage was cheap, about 80 rmb. She told me she couldn't do anyting extra there, but that I could take her back to my room if I paid the mamasan. I happily did so, paying for two hours. We got to my room and she said she would give me a HJ, but no FS. I asked her why she came back with me if that was all she was willing to do? She said she would do FS for $200 US dollars, which of course is ridiculous. She was a sweet and cute girl, so I ended up getting two decent HJ over the course of about 90 minutes. I tipped her 200 RMB. I think the language barrier really hurt us. She implied that she had to get back to the massage parlor. If we could speak, I think it might have been that the 200 was for all night FS, which I would have been up for given her attitude and looks. Anyway, I was happy with the deal. Very little money for two shots from a nice and cute girl.

[Crazy Guide]

Hi Member #2041,

He was grandfathered in as a Senior Member approximately 3 years ago when I first instituted the multi-tiered membership system.

Thanks,

Jackson

..and so was I, back in '03, or was it '02. Goodness, has it been that long?

CG

[Stickmanfob]

So, I ask again. I saw GM's extensive list and have searched for Pudong and Hyatt but have found nothing within walking distance. Someone mentioned some place about "knee service" close to Hyatt. So, is there somehwhere within walking distance that I don't have to take a taxi and deal with the language barrier to go and get a quickie between meetings? Nothing fancy. Tried the place across the street and it seemed totally legit and a bus pulled up with all tourists (male/female) and I knew that this was not going to be my place but I had already paid.

Thanks


Why should we PM to get info ?
Isn't the purpose itself of this forum to share info ?

So, please post the details about these BBS's.
You will satisfy the hunger of those looking for good places in Pudong.
Thanks.

[LoveAsianWhores]

Yes, the ladies in Manila are sweet. If you are looking for that type of quality & I'm assuming you want all night, you will need to budget for abour RMB1500 to 2000/night.

Now if you are OK with ST, you can get very good quality at the MP. You can choose your honey & have 1.5hours of fun, but not all night. Damage will be RMB600 +/- depending on the joint you go to.

Don't know your age/looks, but the other opportunity is to try to tackle girls, which if you are there for a week or so may be difficult cause it usually takes one night out & lots of phone chats to get them to bed.

Happy mongering.

Bow WowWhen you say budget RMB1500 to 2000/night, is that only for the girl, is it for everything. For example, the best bar girls in Manila go for about a $60 bar fine plus another $60 for them for all night. However, a couple hours of bar hopping to find the right girl will often cost my another $40 to $50. So in Manila, It often costs me around $160 for everything, although I often find a great girl for all night and I am only out $80 (I find her quick at less expensive bar that has a gem).

My understanding that the best girls are to be found in the KTV's. But lets say on a given night I go to three KTV's, have a drink at each of them and maybe buy a drink or two for a couple of girls. At the end of the night, how much have I spent in total, assuming I find a girl at the third KTV and take her home? Or is this a bad plan. Should I just commit to one KTV bar with a large selection of girls and make sure that I find a girl from that bar?

[Nightwing88]

So, I ask again. I saw GM's extensive list and have searched for Pudong and Hyatt but have found nothing within walking distance. Someone mentioned some place about "knee service" close to Hyatt. So, is there somehwhere within walking distance that I don't have to take a taxi and deal with the language barrier to go and get a quickie between meetings? Nothing fancy. Tried the place across the street and it seemed totally legit and a bus pulled up with all tourists (male/female) and I knew that this was not going to be my place but I had already paid.

Thanks

Hi Stickmanfob. The Hyatt is the one place in Pudong that is isolated from a lot of the activity that we have been talking about in this forum. I'm afraid you'll have to take a cab to visit these places. If you don't mind paying a little more for FS, the 3rd floor of the Merrylin hotel (on the corner of Zhangyang Road and Laoshan Road) offers excellent service. Perhaps you can get the concierge at the hotel to write down these addresses on a piece of paper, then you can show them to the cab driver when you are ready to go. Or perhaps on your next trip to Shanghai, you can move to the Intercontinental, which is a 4 star/5 star hotel across the street from the Merrylin. Good luck!

Nightwing

[Wilde]

I stayed at the Radisson New Word Shanghai. I found no action at the top floor bar and the sauna appeared legit and expensive, so I went for a walk. Found the Joy Massage about a 10 minute walk away across the street from the Howard Johnson's hotel. Was encouraged to come in by a massage girl who spoke a small amount of english. I went in and the massage was cheap, about 80 rmb. She told me she couldn't do anyting extra there, but that I could take her back to my room if I paid the mamasan. I happily did so, paying for two hours. We got to my room and she said she would give me a HJ, but no FS. I asked her why she came back with me if that was all she was willing to do? She said she would do FS for $200 US dollars, which of course is ridiculous. She was a sweet and cute girl, so I ended up getting two decent HJ over the course of about 90 minutes. I tipped her 200 RMB. I think the language barrier really hurt us. She implied that she had to get back to the massage parlor. If we could speak, I think it might have been that the 200 was for all night FS, which I would have been up for given her attitude and looks. Anyway, I was happy with the deal. Very little money for two shots from a nice and cute girl.

And how much did you pay to the mamasan for taking her out for two hours?

I can almost hear the metal screeching sound that AG and the rest of the Shanghai gang is making while sharpening his kitchen knife. You know what is gonna happen when he is done. :p

[PuttPutt509]

And how much did you pay to the mamasan for taking her out for two hours?

I can almost hear the metal screeching sound that AG and the rest of the Shanghai gang is making while sharpening his kitchen knife. You know what is gonna happen when he is done. :pWell, I'm almost hesitant to answer. Seems like you are setting me up for a fall here, but I'll tell the truth anyway and be ready to catch flack because I overpaid. I paid for two hours of massage to take her to the hotel, and the rate was a bit more than the 80 rmb I paid in the massage parlor; I think it was around 220 rbm for two hours. Obviously, in hind site I wish I had found this forum before hand so I would have been armed with better information. I go back in July and I will be in a much better position thanks to the info I've found here. Hey, at least my first post was a report instead of a request for information!

[Ipohdog]

it will depend. If you go to a top-end Karaoke with say 2 guys & book 2 girls & stay from 10 to 1am, you will probably need to pay RMB2000 for the night, including the girls/drinks/tidbits. The extra (RMB1500 to 2000 as mentioned below) will be direct negotiation with the girl. If you take her after closing time, then you do not need to pay Mommy. If you want to take her at 11 or 12 you will need to pay Mommy another RMB500 or so. So yes, the total damage is higher. The quality will be good. Make sure you mention to the Mommy when you are "selecting" the girls that you want one that would consider going out, but don't make a commitment.

You can try the bars at the hotels like Flanigans (? ) at the ground level of Holiday Inn in Pudong. There are always 3 or 4 looking for company. They will cost about RMB700 to 1500, depending on negotiation/time of night/how busy it is. BUT they are not high quality. Mostly over-the-hill *****s who can speak some english. Never tried them but have chatted with them & don't get that feeling they will be any good in bed.

BOW WOW

Personally, I don't look for the all night thing in China. I stick to the SPAs (many quoted in these forumns) where you get treated very well for 1. 5 hours & then go home & sleep alone in my room.

When I'm in Manila, thats a different story! I'm surprised about the numbers you quoted for Manila. I usually go to Edsa & pay PP1000 for barfine & another PP1500 for the night. No issues. Thats about US$50 for one night with many many rounds of fun, plus breakfast & another round after breakfast.


When you say budget RMB1500 to 2000/night, is that only for the girl, is it for everything. For example, the best bar girls in Manila go for about a $60 bar fine plus another $60 for them for all night. However, a couple hours of bar hopping to find the right girl will often cost my another $40 to $50. So in Manila, It often costs me around $160 for everything, although I often find a great girl for all night and I am only out $80 (I find her quick at less expensive bar that has a gem).

My understanding that the best girls are to be found in the KTV's. But lets say on a given night I go to three KTV's, have a drink at each of them and maybe buy a drink or two for a couple of girls. At the end of the night, how much have I spent in total, assuming I find a girl at the third KTV and take her home? Or is this a bad plan. Should I just commit to one KTV bar with a large selection of girls and make sure that I find a girl from that bar?

[Red Sun]

Hello, good day to all Shanghai members,

I had been requested by my client in to Japan to go to Shanghai to help in their legal matters. My client told me that they will assign a beautiful lady translator for my whole week while I am in Shanghai. But he told me with a smile and purposely repeated to me that she is Beautiful.

I know that in China there are many lady translators who will also act as escort in the evening. My question to Shanghai experts: How will I know if this translator is legit or not? Do I ask ask directly or do I have to hint to her?

Your Input is very much Appreciated.

I would like to hook up with the Shanghai Gang while I am there. Hopefully I have to honor to do so.

SunHello to all in Shanghai,

Today I arrived in Shanghai; the lady translator came to fetch me from the Airport carrying a sign with my name. I must say that she has to be the prettiest translator I had ever met. The moment I saw her, I told myself, I want her in my arms.

In the car, she told me that she will be with me from the next 5 days. I do not understand whether she mean that she will be with me 24 hours X 5 days or just for the day time, so I asked her “All the time?” and the her answer was yes.

My questions still remains unanswered, is she going to be my bed partner as well? How will I know and how will I ask?

Where are all the Shanghai experts? Please help! She is waiting for me in the lobby of my hotel now. Hopefully someone will give me the answer by the time I come back later. Thank you very much!

Sun

[Topcat 398]

I have lost the address of Waves in Shanghai and is visting there again next month.

I would appreciate if anyone can give me the correct address.

[Albert Punter]

Haha.
I only knew the saying about gays being attractive (do you remember the joke: "Why is it so hard for women to find men that are sensitive, caring and good looking ? Because those men already have boyfriends.").
Anyhow, I knew some lesbians who are beautiful women.
It is a real pity they don't like men ...




The usual saying about all the good looking men are gay and all the lesbians are ugly does not seem true any more.

[Albert Punter]

What you stated is right.
Many of the girls offering legit services like translations or tour guiding or chinese language lessons are ready to make more money providing some "extra service".
It is also possible some of them do it for free in case they like you (that happened to me in a couple of cases).

I would recommend you to allude to the "extra".
Personally, I wouldn't ask directly. This could be disturbing even in case they are willing to provide those "extra services" and they may decline.



I know that in China there are many lady translators who will also act as escort in the evening. My question to Shanghai experts: How will I know if this translator is legit or not? Do I ask ask directly or do I have to hint to her?
Sun

[Bonzo1]

My understanding that the best girls are to be found in the KTV's. But lets say on a given night I go to three KTV's, have a drink at each of them and maybe buy a drink or two for a couple of girls. At the end of the night, how much have I spent in total, assuming I find a girl at the third KTV and take her home? Or is this a bad plan. Should I just commit to one KTV bar with a large selection of girls and make sure that I find a girl from that bar?


Personally, I highly recommend against going to a KTV alone. Very expensive, boring, and you'll feel really out of place (and might actually even have a hard time scoring, especially if you can't communicate in Chinese with a mama). Going to three would be murder on your budget.

To answer your question directly, if you were to go three KTV's and then take a girl home (assuming good KTV's), you'd spend between 3000 RMB (bare min.) and 7000 RMB.

For a short stay and when on a budget, stick with the bar scene and sauna scene (most reliable and affordable).

[AsianLover]

Puttputt, can you give us more details about this place? Is it right across the street from the H. Johnson Hotel? Is it a BBS (barbershop) that allows take out? Did you have a selection of girls, etc?

AL

[Eaglestar]

After reading Eaglestar's excellent report on his AFF tactics (seehttp://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=565741&postcount=7909), I set up an account there just to see what the game is like. After about 2-3 hours of browsing, I must say that it is a relative target rich area. But the name of the game is patience and it is sort of like investing for retirement. It is all about long-term returns and diversification.

To a certain extent you are correct about "investing for retirement" and certainly patience is an asset. On the other hand after you have been on AFF for a while and have several ladies on the "hook" so to speak they are not that difficult to maintain, especially the married ones. This lady Wang Mei is a good example of that. I did her several times and then she kinda disappeared, said she was going to S'Pore, then suddenly she reappeared here in Shanghai (she is from Sichuan) and called me. No time expended at all for this.

One other advantage is that occasionally I get some "out of towners" who visit Shanghai from time to time and are ready for a day or two of sex while here. At the present time I have one in Ningbo (married one), one in Shenyang, one in Guangzhou and one in Qingdao like this. It is really kinda nice to get a phone message or email saying "I'll be in Shanghai on such and such date" and have the choice of saying Yesssssssss I am happy to nail you for a few days, or sorry I cannot.

I know this is not for everyone, but it works for me so I will continue.

ES

[Wilde]

To a certain extent you are correct about "investing for retirement" and certainly patience is an asset. On the other hand after you have been on AFF for a while and have several ladies on the "hook" so to speak they are not that difficult to maintain, especially the married ones. This lady Wang Mei is a good example of that. I did her several times and then she kinda disappeared, said she was going to S'Pore, then suddenly she reappeared here in Shanghai (she is from Sichuan) and called me. No time expended at all for this.

One other advantage is that occasionally I get some "out of towners" who visit Shanghai from time to time and are ready for a day or two of sex while here. At the present time I have one in Ningbo (married one), one in Shenyang, one in Guangzhou and one in Qingdao like this. It is really kinda nice to get a phone message or email saying "I'll be in Shanghai on such and such date" and have the choice of saying Yesssssssss I am happy to nail you for a few days, or sorry I cannot.

I know this is not for everyone, but it works for me so I will continue.

ES

ES,

If we compare your AFF activity to investing, it's like you are running the Franklin Templeton Fund. We are just starting out with 50K in our 401K. Of course it is easy for you to return 10% a year! Haha.

[LuvumBare]

I had a similar situation about 3 years ago in Kunming. She was 25, had a masters degree, spoke English very well. She was booked into my hotel by my clients.
The first night we had dinner and I began to ask about her life etc. The key phrase is "Do you have a boy friend?". At the time I did not realize this, but the phrase "boy friend" means 'Have you been f**ed".

We talked about her past "boy friends" and I then asked her if she had ever had a gweilo boy friend and she said no. End of that discussion at that time.

After dinner I said I was really tired because I had flown in from Narita and I really wanted a good massage. I asked if she would walk with me to a massage place and make sure I had a "very special" massage. She volunteered that she could give a pretty good massage and would I like to have her do it. Dumb question!

Off we went to my room. I said I should shower because I had been travelling etc and I went into the bathroom. Within a few minutes, she was in there with me wearing only her bra and panties. She started to run a bath and put in the hotel supplied bubble bath for me. I stripped and jumped in. I asked her to join me and in she came.

Needless to say, she spent every night in my bed with her cell phone near by so she could talk to her boy friend whever he called.

When I was ready to leave, I told her I wanted to buy her a special "thank you: gift. We went to the mall and I bought her a blouse and slacks - total price US$250.00.

I suggest you ask your translator about setting you up for a massage and see what happens.
'bare

[Lao Ma]

Albert:

I wanted to repy to your note asking why I just don't post the info. I'ts very simple, actually. 95% of the viewers here are either lurkers who never post, and/or who don't want to pony up a few bucks to gain access to the PM function. I ain't helping those guys out. So if I get a pm, that means it's from either a senior member or a regular one who has piad for a subscription. I can't tell Jackson how to run his site, I can only participate in a way that is both give and take. My choice.

[Lex Moon]

Puttputt, can you give us more details about this place? Is it right across the street from the H. Johnson Hotel? Is it a BBS (barbershop) that allows take out? Did you have a selection of girls, etc?

ALPuttputt. Was the massage place in the basement? This is where I got a freebie massage girl. Went for 2 hr massage. I asked her boss permission to take her out for dinner. Had to wait until she finished work before I could get her to my hotel. She was inexperienced but willing to learn.

[Westsider]

I have lost the address of Waves in Shanghai and is visting there again next month.

I would appreciate if anyone can give me the correct address.Waves Sauna is located at 1281 Zhongshan West Road between Hongqiao Road and Wuzhong Road. Sauna entrance is down alley 50m then left for 20m on right hand side.

[LoveAsianWhores]

When I'm in Manila, thats a different story! I'm surprised about the numbers you quoted for Manila. I usually go to Edsa & pay PP1000 for barfine & another PP1500 for the night. No issues. Thats about US$50 for one night with many many rounds of fun, plus breakfast & another round after breakfast.Thanks, and also to Bonzo1, for the info. Since I live in Manila, I also need to get to short time room which adds to the price. Also, PP1500 for all night is tough. I usually pay at least PP2000. Not that I couldn't get away with 1500, but the extra $10 or $20 bucks gets me a very good reputation at the bar and helps in the future (The girls all talk about how much a guy pays and I go the same bars A LOT).

Anyway, back to Shanghai. I guess I'll only go to a KTV once to check it out. Maybe with a forum member, as I am sure Bonzo1 is right that it is not the type of place to have fun alone. The same with KTV's in Manila. The difference is out here we have the gogo bars, which are quite fun to go alone.

I almost never go to massage parlors out here, but I guess Shanghai is a different story. I am going to try my best to find some nice girls to bring to my room, but it is good to know that there are so many saunas for a Plan B.

Maybe a couple of members can all meet up for a night at a KTV. PM me.

[PuttPutt509]

Puttputt, can you give us more details about this place? Is it right across the street from the H. Johnson Hotel? Is it a BBS (barbershop) that allows take out? Did you have a selection of girls, etc?

ALThe address is 661 Hankou Road, and it is a massage parlor that allows takeout. When I walked in, there were about 6 girls sitting in the lobby. The one who spoke English to me outside showed me a menu there, and the other girls giggled while we talked about what massage I wanted. I would imagine that you could choose your girl if you just walked in.

[Lao Ma]

Just walking around the Changde Lu area tonight and stumbled into a typical sleazy bbs. Had a 2 girl handjob special -one gave the handy while the other licked my nipples and rubber her tits all over me. It gets interesting because the tit girl had massive, massive gorgeous tits - like Annie Sprinkle tits (for those of you old enough to remember 70's/early 80's porn).

I'm not a big fan of hand jobs - but for 200 rmb, it was just a damn good time. Big boobie also agreed to let me fu%$ them next time I come in. Both girls were cute Wenzhou girls - littel chubby. Pleasant little diversion, only a few blocks from the pub.

PM for details

[Locobarocco]

The address is 661 Hankou Road, and it is a massage parlor that allows takeout. When I walked in, there were about 6 girls sitting in the lobby. The one who spoke English to me outside showed me a menu there, and the other girls giggled while we talked about what massage I wanted. I would imagine that you could choose your girl if you just walked in.Any idea what FS would cost with a girl from this place?

[Locobarocco]

The address is 661 Hankou Road, and it is a massage parlor that allows takeout. When I walked in, there were about 6 girls sitting in the lobby. The one who spoke English to me outside showed me a menu there, and the other girls giggled while we talked about what massage I wanted. I would imagine that you could choose your girl if you just walked in.Any idea what FS would cost with a girl from this place?

[Shanghai Jack]

I decided to start the new year with a visit to an old time favorite, the Shanghai Hotel. I was not there for some months and it was nice to see that the girls have new sexy dresses. I picked number 75 who I knew from the Ji Yuan Salon. She worked there (as number 5) and said she quit there because of trouble with the police. I think this was mentioned here last year, as well. Anyway, it is good for the Shanghai hotel because she is really sweet, slim and quite tall (DongBei girls rule...). A bit on the conservative side, but very sexy and cute.

The place was not so busy, at 11 pm on a Wednesday I could simply walk through without waiting time. There are no surprises in the Shanghai hotel but it is still a safe bet. Many lao wei there, so the ISG really works.

Have fun, SJ

[Gualtier Malde]

Yes, the ladies in Manila are sweet. If you are looking for that type of quality & I'm assuming you want all night, you will need to budget for abour RMB1500 to 2000/night.



If you are talking about filipina girls in Shanghai, this price is too high. I just had one this week, very cute, did everything, very into oral, very GFE, for 800 all night.

But of course you have to negotiate to get this level of pricing.

GM

[LoveAsianWhores]

Finally got my visa and tickets sorted out and I leave on Saturday. Just one last question. I assume that the saunas supply condoms. Are they OK or should I bring my own? Just want to make sure I don't end up with a situation that I had in Cambodia a while back where everyone used the same brand of really bad locally made condoms.

[Albert Punter]

This subject was debated many times in China threads.

I think that everyone would agree with the suggestion BYO (bring your own), in order to avoid possible surprises.



Finally got my visa and tickets sorted out and I leave on Saturday. Just one last question. I assume that the saunas supply condoms. Are they OK or should I bring my own? Just want to make sure I don't end up with a situation that I had in Cambodia a while back where everyone used the same brand of really bad locally made condoms.

[Pedro848]

This subject was debated many times in China threads.

I think that everyone would agree with the suggestion BYO (bring your own), in order to avoid possible surprises.Hi Guys,

I am returning to Shanghai for a holiday in a few weeks, and I will be bringing a 3 week supply.

I worked in Shanghai a few years back, long before this BB, I always found the local condoms to be reliable, the biggest problem is they are smaller. European/US condoms are 35mm diam, whereas chinese/japanese are 32mm.

I must say this BB gives me great hope for an enjoyable holiday.

Not sure how much things have changed since 97/98 when I worked in Shanghai. During the year and a bit I was in town, I never paid OTC so to speak, Judy's on Friday night was a racing cert, the decision was really down to picking a cutie who would need a couple evening seducing or picking up a tramp - I did a bit of each.

I had a couple of move in girls, they don't have to be expensive, so long as they think they have a visa chance, and I certainly never had to pay them the 10k rmb monthly stipend, just the odd bangle or two.

At that time, finding places of worship was all word of mouth, I never ventured into a KTV place and afaik none of the euro colleagues did either, most of the carry out stuff came from the Hard Rock or Manhattan.

Sometimes when we were up to a challenge we would go to the chinese only places, Armageddon over by the station was fun, you would be the only white in the place, and no party girls and no english. The low success ratio made it a bit more exciting.

So 3 weeks to touchdown and then 3 weeks of fun, I will be staying with my wife ( yep I got hooked ! ), so no carry outs for me, but I am gonna try a few things I missed out on during prev visits.

I am also venturing south down thru Hang Zhou to Thousand Island Lake and the surrounding area - hoping to sample some small town hospitality. Any recommendations in that area gladly accepted.

Pedro

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[Travelin Guy]

For those times when you're in the mood for just an extended oily HJ with lots of edging from a pretty lass who giggles everytime she makes you squirt, then I am happy to inform that the CYLZ Massage parlour is still in business.

This place was first reported to the board about a year ago by AG and not much has changed about it since then. Still the same menu, prices, and excellent service. I can't read the chinese on the menu, so I just choose the option printed in red letters priced at RMB280 for 90min.

The rooms are small but clean enough, and during winter they keep an electric space heater in the corner as well as the wall-mounted A/C heater going so its warm enough. Each room has an adjoining shower stall and a wardrobe to store your clothes and valuables in.

The last time I was here was almost 6 months ago and I had provider #62 who is highly recommended if she is still around. She wasn't available on Wednesday evening so I had #7, who also is quite skilled in her profession.

You start with a quick shower and change into typical sauna PJ's and then lay down on the massage table. The massage starts with about 30min of standard massage, first your (big) head, then your legs, and then your back. Its a pretty good massage since the girls seem to have some real training, not just your quick rubbing and pounding from some farm girl in a BBS.

At about 30min into the service, the fun starts. She will help you slide out of the PJ shorts and then she climbs up on the massage table between your legs, with your legs perched on top of hers and all your nether regions directly in front of her. Then its about 60min of constant prostrate and balls massage along with the stroking, with her giggling each time she can get you close to the edge without actually cumming. After you cum, she'll take a warm towel and help clean things up, and then she reaches for the bottle of oil and lubes you up again for round two. Lovely!

The girls will stay fully clothed during the entire massage. They are dressed in warmup outfits, with normal street clothes underneath, so I don't think any extra hanky panky is allowed, at least none was offered to me. But my chinese level is too low to really ask, so if any members find out otherwise, please report it to the board.

A repeat on the location, its just north of the ChangPingLu and ChangDeLu intersection. There is major road construction in the blocks just to the south and north of this block, so don't let that throw you off as you're approaching in the taxi.

CYLZ Massage (prostitus massage is listed in english on the menu in the front window)
Address: Changde Lu No. 888, in the Jin An district
Tel: (21)-82186588
Manager: Mr. Wang

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[Workmaal]

I will be in Shanghai for the weekend. I'm not very experienced with prostitutes. I just want to have have sex with a girl. How much should it cost?

Someone told me there are barber shops that only wash hair (which means they are really prostitutes). Can someone tell me what to expect? How much do I need to pay for full sex? Do I need to pay extra for anal sex?

Thanks in advance.

[Gualtier Malde]

Finally got my visa and tickets sorted out and I leave on Saturday. Just one last question. I assume that the saunas supply condoms. Are they OK or should I bring my own? Just want to make sure I don't end up with a situation that I had in Cambodia a while back where everyone used the same brand of really bad locally made condoms.

I've never had a problem. Supplied ones always work fine for me. However, there is no question this is an area where Your Mileage May Vary...

GM

[Luvofficelady]

All right, I admit it, I am looking for something specific in Shanghai and I am hoping some of you guys can help me out!

I go to Shanghai maybe once a month, have cruised a lot of the places..but what I am looking for is this (and pardon my own little fetish!)

I love the office lady look..you know a girl in a skirt suit, with heels, hosiery, classy style etc. I guess it is the prim and proper outside with the hint of what is underneath? But it really does it for me and I really like seeing and being with girls dressed like this..if you know what I mean!

But where on earth do I go to find girls who will dress like this for me? I'm a fan of fully dressed sex, so this may not be the issue, but I'll looking for those gals that are dressed classily in their office suit finest to really enjoy, in as many ways as I can! I don't speak much Mandarin and I have tried to find these gals (of any type!) but they seem far fewer on the ground!

While girls dressed in their 'clubbing' outfits are nice, they don't 'do it for me' and I really want to find one for consistent sex who is willing to indulge my desires and fantasies of uniforms, nice, conservative suits etc, in Shanghai!

I usually stay around the Plaza 66 / west nanjing road area, but hey, would travel far and wide in Shanghai to find the right girl who looks like that (for me, that sort of look is instant yummy so to speak!).

So, am I just smoking something too strong, or is there somewhere that I can go to find this sort of girl? Or am I just naive and out of luck? I have tried aff of course, with limited success..but your experienced thoughs would be welcome! Thank you for your suggestions!

- P

[Gualtier Malde]

From the previous discussion on filipina girls, thought I'd contribute this last bit...

What's more fun than a Filipina girl? TWO fili's, who like each other!

Found out one of my fili acquaintances is bi. I asked her to pick out a nice bi friend, and come over. Attached are a couple of photos. Later if I get time I'll add more to the gallery.

(To me it's easier to get fili girls to do this than chinese girls, but maybe that's just me...)

Enjoy!

GM

[Xtrafire]

First thank you for the warm welcome!

I think some things have changed in this forum? When looking for post #4772 I find:


Fantastic comprehensive guide to Shanghai just now.

To fulfill my 'duty' of reporting BBS with FS, there is one on WuDing West Rd near Jiangsu Lu intersection. Almost opposite a French restaurant, white lighting instead of pink. Mirrors but no haircutting and bored looking girls as per usual BBS appearance.

Quality of girls is quite good, I would say 7/10.

If you are an expat they will start with a stupid price like RMB500, don't accept! I have negotiated with the girls directly, possibly negotiating with the john at the door might be a better idea.

I have only dined in, but have seen the girls getting in taxis, presume on their way to call-outs.I think you want me to refer to #4766.

I don't know how the numbers changed, but it seems, they did.

Besides I know the post you want me to look for (#4772/#4766). Nevertheless I have tried the two escort because... sometimes I am too lazy to go out.

If you search in here for escort, VIP massage or Charlies Angels (Angles), you will not find a lot of information. I never found a report for them. So thats why I have written these reports that others can make their own picture on it. If you have better recommodations for incall-services than please post!


..., YOU WON'T SCREW UP THE MARKET FOR THE REST OF US!

GMSo do you really believe that I, as a single person, will screw up the market for you?

What do you think? That 1st I will make me a picture about one agency (this time VIP Massage) wiht just checking ONE girl?

Or 2nd that after two experiences like that I would call them again?

No offence, but with answers like yours, you will never have somebody posting bad experiences again. And I thought that this is the sense of ISG!?


Ps: ... , I'll spot you a beer at the pub that won't be mentioned as well, if we are in town at the same time! (But you have to negotiate and pay for your own pussy.)Thanks for the invitation. I am here..

[Xtrafire]

After arriving in Shanghai yesterday I was in the mood for visiting the famous Soap Land again.

After arriving I asked for my favourite (#58) but she was off (forgot to ask if she returned home or if she was just off at that time).

Nevertheless, I choose number 08. She is 19, slim, nice breasts and cute face. Good service except kissing (should have shaved before going there).

Very good blow job, had to think about my job to keep cool, and she accepted DATY which made her juicy.

We made the whole performance on the "water"-bed. I like the feeling of the wet and slippy body too much that I don't like to change the other bed.

So she sat down on me (after covering) and started to ride. After some time she asked to change (Mish) and in that position I finished quick.

Very nice experience even the GFE was missing a little bit.

Price: 760

[OldAsiaHand]

I noticed some ads in the Personals of That's Shanghai and/or the other English language rags in Shanghai from girls working in multi-national companies. You may want to give it a try if you have a bit of time to invest in it.

Just my POV.

OAH


All right, I admit it, I am looking for something specific in Shanghai and I am hoping some of you guys can help me out!

I go to Shanghai maybe once a month, have cruised a lot of the places..but what I am looking for is this (and pardon my own little fetish!)

I love the office lady look..you know a girl in a skirt suit, with heels, hosiery, classy style etc. I guess it is the prim and proper outside with the hint of what is underneath? But it really does it for me and I really like seeing and being with girls dressed like this..if you know what I mean!

But where on earth do I go to find girls who will dress like this for me? I'm a fan of fully dressed sex, so this may not be the issue, but I'll looking for those gals that are dressed classily in their office suit finest to really enjoy, in as many ways as I can! I don't speak much Mandarin and I have tried to find these gals (of any type!) but they seem far fewer on the ground!

While girls dressed in their 'clubbing' outfits are nice, they don't 'do it for me' and I really want to find one for consistent sex who is willing to indulge my desires and fantasies of uniforms, nice, conservative suits etc, in Shanghai!

I usually stay around the Plaza 66 / west nanjing road area, but hey, would travel far and wide in Shanghai to find the right girl who looks like that (for me, that sort of look is instant yummy so to speak!).

So, am I just smoking something too strong, or is there somewhere that I can go to find this sort of girl? Or am I just naive and out of luck? I have tried aff of course, with limited success..but your experienced thoughs would be welcome! Thank you for your suggestions!

- P

[LoveAsianWhores]

So I finally made it Shanghai. The place is a little more modern then I expected. More like Los Angeles, where I grew up, then my new home in Manila. Whats with all those identical buildings lined up one after the other. Who did they hire as the architect, Xerox? And taxis are expensive. It cost me 20 bucks to get here from the airport. It would have cost about 4 in Manila. I guess thats why I never leave. Lots of great pussy and everything is soooo cheap. And I actually like the hussle and bussle of the Philippines.

But of course, I need to get out more, so I am giving Shanghai a try as I need to come here on business anyway. I am staying at the Rendevous hotel as I couldn't rebook my first choice, the Shanghai hotel, when I missed my flight. The Shanghai hotel has had some good reviews regarding their massage service, and it's within walking distance, so I'll head there now and check it out. Right now, I am one horny mother fucker. I'll report back later on how it went. Also, I was surprised that I could get to this site without a proxy. They filter google, but not ISG? I guess whoever decides what to filter uses this site as well.

[LoveAsianWhores]

So I started on my walk to the Shanghai hotel. The area is very clean and modern like a typical US city. Get to the Shanghai hotel and go up to the second floor sauna.

So you first have to get used to the male attendent thing. Weird at first, but very helpful. As was said before, you take a shower, get your skin scrubbed buy a guy, take another shower, and then head over to the fishbowl. As you will see later on, getting the skin scrub is important because the girl will do all these things to your body with her tongue, and with your dead sking scrubbed away, you can enjoy it more.

There were a lot of customers going in and out. I think most were there just for the sauna, as it was much more quite in the fishbowl area. About 12 girls of average quality. But they were all of course Chinese, which are some of my favourite. One was particularly cute and I knew immediately she was the one.

She had a great body and a very cute face. I'd rate her about an 8.6 overall. There is a whole routine that they go through. I really like the way she spun around on my dick with her mouth while hanging upside down from a red rope. I'm sure the novelty would wear off after a couple of visits, but I found it great. As soon as we got to fucking, it was just like the Los Angeles Korean massage parlors that I loved while living in LA. I love Filiipinas, but they generally don't make good MP attendendents for some reason. Great for take out, but I think that the Chinese are the best at this. It was really a great fuck. Afterwood she fell asleep next to me and we rested for about half an hour. A very nice girl. The whole thing cost $110.

If I could get an answer to a couple of questions, it would really help me when I go out tomorrow:

Since your money is kept in the locker, the only person you have an opportunity to tip is the valet. How much should he get?

Standing outside of the Hilton, I saw Manhatten right across the street. Where is LuLu bar in relation to Manhatten.

Can I walk to Zapatas from here? If I am ouside the Hilton looking at Manhatten, which direction would I go?

I'll report on day 2 tomorrow.

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[Eaglestar]

All right, I admit it, I am looking for something specific in Shanghai and I am hoping some of you guys can help me out!

I go to Shanghai maybe once a month, have cruised a lot of the places..but what I am looking for is this (and pardon my own little fetish!)

I love the office lady look..you know a girl in a skirt suit, with heels, hosiery, classy style etc. I guess it is the prim and proper outside with the hint of what is underneath? But it really does it for me and I really like seeing and being with girls dressed like this..if you know what I mean!

But where on earth do I go to find girls who will dress like this for me? I'm a fan of fully dressed sex, so this may not be the issue, but I'll looking for those gals that are dressed classily in their office suit finest to really enjoy, in as many ways as I can! I don't speak much Mandarin and I have tried to find these gals (of any type!) but they seem far fewer on the ground!

While girls dressed in their 'clubbing' outfits are nice, they don't 'do it for me' and I really want to find one for consistent sex who is willing to indulge my desires and fantasies of uniforms, nice, conservative suits etc, in Shanghai!

I usually stay around the Plaza 66 / west nanjing road area, but hey, would travel far and wide in Shanghai to find the right girl who looks like that (for me, that sort of look is instant yummy so to speak!).

So, am I just smoking something too strong, or is there somewhere that I can go to find this sort of girl? Or am I just naive and out of luck? I have tried aff of course, with limited success..but your experienced thoughs would be welcome! Thank you for your suggestions!

- P

OAH is right but also another good place, if you want to spend the time, is Asia XPAT, http://shanghai.asiaxpat.com/. Lots of ladys looking there.

I have not nailed one yet but just started going there about 2 weeks ago and have 3 "on the hook".

ES

[GoodTimes2]

These are some great photos. Any chance you can post up more??? Please....


From the previous discussion on filipina girls, thought I'd contribute this last bit...

What's more fun than a Filipina girl? TWO fili's, who like each other!

Found out one of my fili acquaintances is bi. I asked her to pick out a nice bi friend, and come over. Attached are a couple of photos. Later if I get time I'll add more to the gallery.

(To me it's easier to get fili girls to do this than chinese girls, but maybe that's just me...)

Enjoy!

GM

[Eaglestar]

I have moved, still in Shanghai, but very very far away from this lady. I have known her for almost three years but have not done her for a quite a while because it is just too damn far to drive to her apartment. I am going to give up on her as I have others much closer to where I live.

I have posted about her before, maybe in 2005 was the last post.

She is a classy lady and quite pretty, age about 40 with a teen age daughter. Married but husband does not live in Shanghai. The kind of lady you could be proud to be seen with and can carry on an intelligent conversation in most any setting. I have taken her to some relatively important social events.

Husband is pretty wealthy business man, drives a Beemer 7 series and she has a Toyota, so she accustomed to nice but is not high maintenance at all. Would be a good longer term relationship type if that you are into that.

Not so good at BJ and absolutely not CIM but likes DATY, mish, doggie and cow girl. A true GFE every time.

She is not available on weekend since her daughter is home at that time but Sunday night thru Friday night works. I don't know, of course, but it is entirely possible she has another guy. She is not the kind to go a long time without sex sooooooooo. Also she likes older men (like me) so if you are over 50 it is a plus.

I am pretty sure you are not gonna nail her unless you actually live in Shanghai.

Any senior contributing members who are interested can PM me for her AFF details only. Will not give you her other personal contact info.

Be good to her!

ES

[Wilde]

If I could get an answer to a couple of questions, it would really help me when I go out tomorrow:

Since your money is kept in the locker, the only person you have an opportunity to tip is the valet. How much should he get?

Standing outside of the Hilton, I saw Manhatten right across the street. Where is LuLu bar in relation to Manhatten.

Can I walk to Zapatas from here? If I am ouside the Hilton looking at Manhatten, which direction would I go?

I'll report on day 2 tomorrow.


Believe it or not, most of those places in China where lots of locals also frequent do not require tipping. If he is extremely helpful, 10-20RMB would suffice. I have the bad habit of hating loose change, so if it is a couple of coins, I usually leave it. Small bills and coins can be sometimes very filthy.

Not too familiar with the bar named LuLu. There is a very good Chinese restaurant chain named LuLu and one of them is not too far north of Hilton near the JinAn Temple. Do you have address for the LuLu bar?

From Hilton it is a hike to Zapatas, but I have done it when I can't get a taxi. Took almost half an hour. You would turn right out of Hilton to go south to HuaiHai Road, turn right and soldier on. It's very close to the US Consulate. It would be at most 15RMB to cab it.

Have fun.

[Shanghai Jack]

What a city! Weekdays are already quite nice but the weekends really rock. Especially after it was a bit quiet during Chinese New Year, I could see the energy – and the girls – coming back this weekend.

A friend from Sweden came to Shanghai for the weekend and this was a good opportunity to introduce him to some of our favorite hangouts here in Shanghai.

We started with the ‘special Karaoke’ at Wuzhong Lu 500. It was fantastic and the selection of girls was really good. I did not meet ‘Sugar’ though… While I wanted to see my girl in my favorite Baseball outfit, my friend from Sweden opted for the police woman outfit, my Chinese friend choose the Japanese Kimono outfit for his girl. The police woman really looks naughty, but I still prefer Baseball player (or the new Kimono style) as it gives you more opportunities to explore your girl. The police woman outfit is a bit harder to undress.

Anyway, my friend was a bit shy at the beginning, as it was the first time for him. After the girls were singing some songs, I was searching for some English songs on the KTV machine and it was getting very quiet behind my back. When I turned around, I was quite surprised seeing my friends lying between their girls’ legs in full DATY. Obviously my Swedish friend was getting familiar with local customs very fast. I figured that there was no use starting to sing now and we headed for the massage rooms. Nothing spectacular there – at least for me. My Swedish friend came out and looked happy and exhausted. It was around 1 am and I was pretty sure we would be heading home now, but in the cab the energy came back somehow.

So we headed for the Yi Juan Salon to introduce my friend also to the Soapland style. Although we arrived at 1.30 am, the place was still quite busy and we had to wait 30 minutes. No problem, as there was plenty of Asahi available. When we finally could choose the girls, I was positively surprised to see that the selection was still good and the girls did not seem tired. I chose number 35, a cutie from Cheng Du with small tits and a nice tatoo on her back. The session was really nice with great BBBJ skills shown. She also enjoyed watching herself in the mirrors working on me. Maybe she is preparing for a career as a movie star? (by the way: I hope they do not film us there. It would be embarassing if they show us on 'Best of Laughs' on the China Southern inflight tv) I don’t know about you, but I always enjoy the second session more, as I am more in control of myself.

When we met again, my friend looked like he just discovered paradise. But this is understandable after KTV, red rope sauna and Soapland in one night. The cleaning guys more or less kicked us out of Ji Yuan at 4 am and then we were really heading home to recharge – Saturday was still too come.

I know I can’t compete with some professional 'tour guides' here, but I did not hear any complaints from my friend either.

Have fun,

SJ

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[Shanghai Jack]

After a good sleep and some real sightseeing, we planned the evening events for Saturday. I know that 300 RMB cover charge sounds like a bad joke, but we paid it and met with friends at Bar Rouge where this French DJ was spinning. The place was really packed with good western girls and some Chinese working girls. After some drinks we felt horny and decided to take a break at the Shanghai Hotel.

We arrived around 12 and there was no waiting time with a reasonable selection of girls (10 – 12, rating 5 to 7). There were three of us and everyone was choosing 2 girls so the fish bowl room was getting empty fast…

I am not sure if I like threesomes at Saunas or not (threesomes with freebies is another topic…). On the one hand it is exciting and quite nice to get a double blow job and have them all over you. On the other hand, the value for money is questionable and at the beginning I had to ask them several times to stop talking to each other about the weather, etc.

I had number 25 from Harbin, very tall with big tits. She is a loud moaner with great BBBJ skills. No complains about ‘tai da le’. The other girl was not as active but quite pretty (forgot her number). So while number 25 was riding me cowgirl style I could DATY the other. They exchanged condoms every time they swapped which is no problem for me as it gives a short break to relax. One hour was over much too fast I have to say. I met my two friends on the corridor and then we were lead out. Our 6 ladies bowed and said ‘bye bye’ to us at the exit. Another customer who just entered the area really looked shocked – I am pretty sure he went for the same package.

Total damage: 1300 per threesome

After this, we headed back to the Bar Rouge and there it was really great. Hard pumping house music and people getting totally nuts. Being not so horny anymore, I enjoyed it even more and suddenly many western girls started flirting with us. It seems good sex gives you this special look…
So we ended up dancing with American and even some African girls on the tables and really had a ball. My friend from Sweden met a girl from Sweden and was gone suddenly… Boys…
Last but not least it was interesting to see that at Bar Rouge everything is available. Although spring is about to begin there was quite a snow storm on the toilet if you know what I mean. I returned home at 5.00 am and have to say this was my best weekend in Shanghai so far – but also the most expensive.

Have fun guys and enjoy Shanghai now,

SJ

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Gualtier Malde]

So I started on my walk to the Shanghai hotel. The area is very clean and modern like a typical US city. Get to the Shanghai hotel and go up to the second floor sauna.

So you first have to get used to the male attendent thing. Weird at first, but very helpful. As was said before, you take a shower, get your skin scrubbed buy a guy, take another shower, and then head over to the fishbowl. As you will see later on, getting the skin scrub is important because the girl will do all these things to your body with her tongue, and with your dead sking scrubbed away, you can enjoy it more.

There were a lot of customers going in and out. I think most were there just for the sauna, as it was much more quite in the fishbowl area. About 12 girls of average quality. But they were all of course Chinese, which are some of my favourite. One was particularly cute and I knew immediately she was the one.

She had a great body and a very cute face. I'd rate her about an 8.6 overall. There is a whole routine that they go through. I really like the way she spun around on my dick with her mouth while hanging upside down from a red rope. I'm sure the novelty would wear off after a couple of visits, but I found it great. As soon as we got to fucking, it was just like the Los Angeles Korean massage parlors that I loved while living in LA. I love Filiipinas, but they generally don't make good MP attendendents for some reason. Great for take out, but I think that the Chinese are the best at this. It was really a great fuck. Afterwood she fell asleep next to me and we rested for about half an hour. A very nice girl. The whole thing cost $110.

If I could get an answer to a couple of questions, it would really help me when I go out tomorrow:

Since your money is kept in the locker, the only person you have an opportunity to tip is the valet. How much should he get?

Standing outside of the Hilton, I saw Manhatten right across the street. Where is LuLu bar in relation to Manhatten.

Can I walk to Zapatas from here? If I am ouside the Hilton looking at Manhatten, which direction would I go?

I'll report on day 2 tomorrow.



LAW, there is a lot to respond to here. Please read all:

1. Taxis may be expensive relative to the PI, but your ride from Pudong to the Jing An area was almost an hour, unless the guy hauled ass, and in any case, $20 for that long a cab ride is not so bad. Tooling around the city from bar to bar is not too bad. The drop is 14RMB, or about $1.75, which will get you between most of the interesting bars and your hotel in Puxi. Not too bad.

2. I actually don't recommend always getting the exfoliating scrub. You don't have to do it, though they always offer. As a warning, I have gotten some weird fungal infections as a result in the past. Be careful, they can scrub awfully deep. (My fungal infection disappeared with about a week's worth of Lamisil.)

3. Tipping. Not expected in China. In fact, in many places, the person you tip won't end up with the money, it will end up in the owner's pocket. Why bother?


4. Manhattan bar. If you were looking at the bars across from the Hilton, you were NOT looking at the Manhattan bar that we talk about. The interesting one is on Tong Ren Lu. If you are at the Hilton, you are walking distance from Tong Ren Lu. Just go to Yan An Lu (the elevated street to your left as you stand outside the Hilton). Go right for three blocks. You'll hit Tong Ren Lu, the bars are on the corner of Tong Ren Lu and Yanan Lu, to your left as you approach from Yan An Lu. Or just hop a cab and say "Tong Ren Lu" (Pronounce it sort of like "TONG run lu"). If the driver asks anything, he is either asking for the name of the street again or asking what part of the street to stop at. In any case, say "TONG run lu Yan An lu" (which is the relevant intersection). If he is puzzled, say it again. He should figure it out. If not, hop out, get another cab, or ask the Bellman at a Hotel to help.
The interesting bars on Tong Ren Lu are Manhattan and Judy's for loud hopping music, and in my opinion, X-sta-sea for sleazy chat girls (buy-me-drink girls) who you can grope. Or go to the second floor of Blue Angel to play pool with a cutie (who may not act the part but is a pool shark - careful when they play for drinks! :-) )

Also in the Hilton area is Julu Lu. Go right from the Hilton about a block, go left on Julu Lu. There is a row of sleazy chat bars (buy-me-drink girls) who you can probably take home if you like.

There are street walkers in front of the hilton up to Yan An Lu if it isn't raining, after about 9pm. You can take girls into your hotel after 11pm now without a problem.

Take a cab to Zapatas. Get your hotel guy to write it down if you need to, but it is pretty easy to just tell the cabbie "Heng Shan Lu" (Pronounced HUNG Shan Lu) [e sounds like u in china]. Cross street is "Dong Ping Lu". So just say to the cabbie "HUNG shan lu, Dong Ping Lu". The entrance to Zapatas is a little confusing. It is a compound on the corner. You enter through the entry for Sasha's restaurant, and go around back. Sasha's and Zapatas share the compound. Wander around a bit looking through the fence of the compound and you'll figure it out.

On the way to Zapatas from the Hilton area you'll pass Bon Bon Nightclub. This is probably the best house music club in Shanghai at the moment. You could walk there from the Hilton if you had to.

Down the street from Zapatas is Bourbon Street. If Zapatas isn't happening you can try Bourbon Street.

Zapatas will be happening any Wednesday night (ladies night). If you are alone you WILL get propositioned, repeatedly, by "MASSAGIE" girls. ("You want a massagie??")

Enjoy, and glad you finally made it. I'm back in the USA, but I'm sure we'll cross paths at some point.

GM

ps: The cuban restaurant across the street from the hilton (2nd and 3rd floor over the bar, look up to see the "CUBANO" sign) is EXCELLENT! Tell Felix you want a Mohito, he makes the best in town.

pps: NOTHING happens in the bars until at LEAST 9pm, so if you go early, just be patient. By midnight things should be hopping.

[Gualtier Malde]

I think some things have changed in this forum? When looking for post #4772 I find:

I think you want me to refer to #4766.

I don't know how the numbers changed, but it seems, they did.
...
So do you really believe that I, as a single person, will screw up the market for you?

..
No offence, but with answers like yours, you will never have somebody posting bad experiences again. And I thought that this is the sense of ISG!?

Thanks for the invitation. I am here..

I do think some restructuring happened on the forum. Those interested in that report can find a link to it in the Reports of Distinction, but I thinkyouare right that it is now #4766. Weird.

Do I think you will screw up the market for me? Not single handedly, no. I think I do a pretty good job of negotiating. But this forum is read by literally thousands of lurkers, and enough of them following your lead can make a market. Sorry, but it happens. We just make a lot of noise about it so those lurkers get the message. Sorry if you felt bashed upon. But you aren't the first, and won't be the last, to walk that road on this forum.

I'm not currently in Shanghai, but I'll let you know when I come back. If we are in town at the same time, I'd be happy to spot you that beer at the ZY.

GM

[Xtrafire]

Do I think you will screw up the market for me? Not single handedly, no. I think I do a pretty good job of negotiating. But this forum is read by literally thousands of lurkers, and enough of them following your lead can make a market. Sorry, but it happens. We just make a lot of noise about it so those lurkers get the message. Sorry if you felt bashed upon. But you aren't the first, and won't be the last, to walk that road on this forum.

I'm not currently in Shanghai, but I'll let you know when I come back. If we are in town at the same time, I'd be happy to spot you that beer at the ZY.

GMAh, ok! I have got the message, too! I have not thought about it that way.

Yeah, it would be quite interesting to meet you. What do you mean with "ZY"? I am German and not very familiar with all these abreviations.

[Knut34]

I went to waves today. It was my first visit to a Chinese massage place. Despite my lack of local language skills I got almost what I wanted.

I picked a really cute tiny 20 yr old girl from a selection of ~15. The massage was nice. She did the famous rimming, but It was quiet short.

Is it possible to be determine the schedule. It seemed to me that everything had a set schedule. I would prefer more rimming and sucking and rather skip the sex at the end.

I would like to go again this week. This time I would like to get a red rope girl that does CIM. What do I need to ask for?

[Member #4643]

Hello to all in Shanghai,

Today I arrived in Shanghai; the lady translator came to fetch me from the Airport carrying a sign with my name. I must say that she has to be the prettiest translator I had ever met. The moment I saw her, I told myself, I want her in my arms.

In the car, she told me that she will be with me from the next 5 days. I do not understand whether she mean that she will be with me 24 hours X 5 days or just for the day time, so I asked her “All the time?” and the her answer was yes.

My questions still remains unanswered, is she going to be my bed partner as well? How will I know and how will I ask?

Where are all the Shanghai experts? Please help! She is waiting for me in the lobby of my hotel now. Hopefully someone will give me the answer by the time I come back later. Thank you very much!

Sun

My goodness, Sun, what happened with your translator!?!? Can you post her photo? I am still waiting to hear the outcome of this story.

Incidentally, I hired a guide in Beijing for three days in 2003 through ThatsBJ.com. She was pretty (not stunning, but nice), and on the first night, I suggested she come up to my room for a drink. It took about 5 minutes before we were in bed fucking. I still remember her well, because when she came, she bit my shoulder very hard. In fact, for the next two nights, the scene repeated itself, and I came home to the USA having to hide teeth marks all along my shoulder untill they healed.

I paid her nothing for the experience other than her normal guide fee ($60 per day).

[Member #4643]

This is intriguing: http://www.viplily.com/se.asp?nowmenuid=78502

They apparantly rent out beautiful women for translating, guiding and modeling. Has anyone tried them out? Is this a way of lining up a pretty girl in advance to be a sex partner?

While Chinese web sites would NEVER give any indication if they encouraged such activities, I think this would be a likely way to get laid by a beautiful Chinese lady. Its not Brazil (ie, no promises), but it looks good to me.

[PassinThrough]

I am finally back in Shanghai after an absence that lasted to long, but after a single day I fell like I never left. As soon as I got in town I hooked up with AG and we made plans to go to a Sauna on Sunday. Probably not the best day to go to a sauna as it was the 15th day of CNY. We went to a spa who's name I don't know, it says Apollo Spa on the card but I was told it was called something else. I have the number if anyone is interested.

We go in and there is really no other customers in there. I saw one other pair of shoes in the dressing room but that was all. Aftere a nice dip in the hot tub, just what we needed given that is was cold and windy outside, we went into the relaxation rooms. After a few minutes we were led into another room for the line up and there were only two girls available. We decided to get a foot massage and see if more showed up. The manager ended up giving me a foot massage while AG got one from one of the guys that work there. They apologized and said that there were very few girls working because of the holidays and it being Sunday. OK, foot massage was OK and quite relaxing.

Manager brought in another couple girls and we picked from them. In the room it was the usual routine, cat bath everywhere followed by a CBJ that she was quite good at, followed by sex in a few positions. Afterwards she gave me an OK massage and cuddled a little bit before getting me dressed and off to the relaxation room. We left shortly after that but had a good and relaxing time.

After the Sauna we went to dinner then headed over to Bourbon Street to see what was going on. It was slow but picking up. As AG and I sat near the bar a few girls came by to chat and offered their services but we politely declined. Then this big guy in a chinese style shirt and big jacket comes up and starts talking to me, OK definately American. Then he leans in and asks me "Where is a good place to find pussy?". This takes me aback a little bit, first of all not generally a question I ask a stranger, but more importantly it is like asking where to get a drink of water while standing in a lake. I told him to look around and pointed out several girls that were standing around making eye contact. He looked around and all of a sudden they were looking somewhere else. This surprised me until he saw one girl and said he knew her and she knew he was "Cheap". I guess he had a reputation there. Anyway I found the who experience humorous. If the guy is reading this, don't take offense but maybe being "cheap" is hurting your changes. Pay the market rates and treat them well and they will be all over you.

Any way that is it for me, at least for today.

PIT

[Arctic1]

This is intriguing: http://www.viplily.com/se.asp?nowmenuid=78502

They apparantly rent out beautiful women for translating, guiding and modeling. Has anyone tried them out? Is this a way of lining up a pretty girl in advance to be a sex partner?

While Chinese web sites would NEVER give any indication if they encouraged such activities, I think this would be a likely way to get laid by a beautiful Chinese lady. Its not Brazil (ie, no promises), but it looks good to me.

No doubt many of the girls on this site would offer some services for the right price, but I am guessing at a premium. I consider this site less promising than many. Although some photos are slightly suggestive, most of the language does not give me a strong feeling about their intentions. Many of the girls have fairly impressive academic credentials, as well. For my purposes, speaking personally, I give this site a miss.

[LoveAsianWhores]

Gualtier Malde,

Many thanks for the report, Gualtier Malde. It was just what I was looking for. Make sure you look me up if you are ever in Manila and I will set you up with some honeys.

So, it was about 9: 30 and it was off to Zapatas. Get there, and it wasn't exactly what I was expecting. I was figuring something like LA Cafe in Manila, the Therme in Bangkok, or maybe Top 10 in Singapore. But It was this latin club and everybody dancing. And I mean really dancing like they knew how to. Kind of a classy place to find working girls. Anyway, I decided to look around and see what I could find. There were a couple of cute girls, but they were dancing with partner after partner and appeared to be there just to dance. Since I can't dance worth shit, I was little embaresed to ask any of them to dance. There were a couple of girls who might have been working sitting along the side, but they didn't interest me. I guess this place is only happening on Monday and Wednesday ladies nights. Time for the next place, Bourbon street.

It is a couple minutes walk from Zapattas. This place was MUCH more to my liking. A big club with a good band and hot dancers. I didn't see anything that I liked, but I hung around for a while because I like the music and ambiance. A few working girls, but mostly couples out for some fun.

Next stop was the Manhatten. This was even better. This bar appeared to be more geared towards what I was looking for. Mostly single men and single women. I like that. Nothing that I wanted to take home, but I was getting warmer. Went next door to Ecstacy. A friendly place and I felt right at home. Similar to the bars on Burgos street that I go to regularly back home, but alas, the girls were not as plentiful or as cute. But they were nice and I played some dice and jenga with a couple. There was one that caught my eye, but she wouldn't go out with me for some reason that I couldn't understand, but she promised me if I came back tomorrow, she would. She appeared sincere, and maybe I will.

The nice part of this area is there are whole bunch of bars lined up next to each other. For those of you have been to Singapore, kind of like Orchard Towers. Similar setup and similar prices.

So I get next door to Judys. Now either I was getting more drunk, it was getting later, or this bar was just hopping. Packed full of available girls. I IMMEDIATELY saw an absolute hottie. Pettite, tight figure, and cute China doll face. Just what the doctor ordered.

She wants $130. She had a lot of atitude and didn't want to bargain, but since she was so hot, I said sure.

So we get back to the room. We fool around for a while, and just before we were about to fuck, she says "money first". Now, the only I place I play that game is in US, and I always get burned. In Asia, that aint happening. I was planning to pound this girl all night, and if I gave her the money first who knows. I let her know that she was in for a long night and she would get her money in the morning. If she didn't like it, she could leave. So she starts putting on her clothes and asks me for taxi money. And I said NO. Blah blah blah, and off come the clothes again, and we start to fuck. Surprisingly, she was very good in bed. No whining at all. In fact, after I blew and was exhaused, she wanted more and I just wanted to sleep. She stayed until noon the next day and she turned out to be quite nice. Can't quite figure out these chinese girls, but it's fun learning.

I think I know what I like most about them. It's this sound they make when you fuck them. Kind of like a high pitched moan. Really turns me on.

A couple of observations, and one question.

Shanghai appears very safe. People don't even lock up their bikes. They throw there jackets down in a big pile on the bar. I even saw one girl leave her purse on the bar when she went to the toilet. Won't see any of that Manila, EVER.

This is supposed to be a developing country, but Shanghai is one of the most moderen cities I have ever been to. I was wandering around a department store today, and I felt like I had just gone a couple of years into the future. More high tech gadgets then I have ever seen in a store. Just about every household applience from toilets to tosters, were electronic. I must have seen a couple of dozern things that even I couldn't figure out, and I am a gadget junkie. I estimated in one store I went into, called Suning, they sold about 6 or 7 hundred different models of cell phones. Sure, most were the same but had a different brand, but compare that to the US where you will see about 50 models at the very most. And I bet 80% of them were made in China. If this place is a developing country like they say, then I guess the US is the third world. Although I am sure it is different in the countryside, Shanghai is part of China.

A guy comes up to me near Zapatas and starts hussleling me for money. I try my best to tell him to go away. He was really bothering me he couldn't understand that I really wanted him to leave me alone. I ended up shouting at the top of my voice, which is very loud, GO AWAY. After the guy recovered from the shock, he took off. Since I don't want to have a hundred people staring at me again, what could I say in chinese that would get him to go away without raising my voice. Something short and simple to say, but means something to the effect of "you have 5 seconds to get out of my sight before I stick a crowbar up you ass and pull it out of your mouth"?

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Mianbao]

Good on you for posting your first report, even though it is brief.

For ropes service just make sure there are metal bars on the ceiling and point to those (if not point to the ceiling before you are committed to the room). Sorry can't help you about CIM.

[Neuromancer]

This is intriguing: http://www.viplily.com/se.asp?nowmenuid=78502

They apparantly rent out beautiful women for translating, guiding and modeling. Has anyone tried them out? Is this a way of lining up a pretty girl in advance to be a sex partner?

While Chinese web sites would NEVER give any indication if they encouraged such activities, I think this would be a likely way to get laid by a beautiful Chinese lady. Its not Brazil (ie, no promises), but it looks good to me.Hmmm... I think they need to get a new photographer. Pics just don't put the girls in the most flattering light. On the plus side, most seem quite tall.

In the Beijing section, I would say looks generally 6s at best. Only two that I'd rank higher... #1609, with her looks and height (177cm)... at 1600RMB per day/1000RMB for half day, and assuming that this is the "all-in" price, then I would say that it is worth it. #1601 is also a very nice choice.

The Shanghai section - girls are definitely a step up in the looks department - 7+ overall... and with prices all less than US100 per day, would be happy with any of them.

I figure though that whether you get "all-in" or not sort of depends whether you're at least reasonably attractive, have a decent sense of humour or are willing to flash a little extra cash.

[Gualtier Malde]

Gualtier Malde,

Many thanks for the report, Gualtier Malde. It was just what I was looking for. Make sure you look me up if you are ever in Manila and I will set you up with some honeys....
...

A couple of observations, and one question.

Shanghai appears very safe. People don't even lock up their bikes. They throw there jackets down in a big pile on the bar. I even saw one girl leave her purse on the bar when she went to the toilet. Won't see any of that Manila, EVER.

This is supposed to be a developing country, but Shanghai is one of the most moderen cities I have ever been to. I was wandering around a department store today, and I felt like I had just gone a couple of years into the future. More high tech gadgets then I have ever seen in a store. Just about every household applience from toilets to tosters, were electronic. I must have seen a couple of dozern things that even I couldn't figure out, and I am a gadget junkie. I estimated in one store I went into, called Suning, they sold about 6 or 7 hundred different models of cell phones. Sure, most were the same but had a different brand, but compare that to the US where you will see about 50 models at the very most. And I bet 80% of them were made in China. If this place is a developing country like they say, then I guess the US is the third world. Although I am sure it is different in the countryside, Shanghai is part of China.

A guy comes up to me near Zapatas and starts hussleling me for money. I try my best to tell him to go away. He was really bothering me he couldn't understand that I really wanted him to leave me alone. I ended up shouting at the top of my voice, which is very loud, GO AWAY. After the guy recovered from the shock, he took off. Since I don't want to have a hundred people staring at me again, what could I say in chinese that would get him to go away without raising my voice. Something short and simple to say, but means something to the effect of "you have 5 seconds to get out of my sight before I stick a crowbar up you ass and pull it out of your mouth"?



Hey LAW, if I'm ever in Manila I'll definitely take you up on your offer! :-)

Your observations: yup, Shanghai is very very safe, and people are surprisingly honest. (I still wouldn't leave a wallet sitting on the bar...)

It is a very modern city. Nothing 3rd world about it (except maybe the BBS shops :-) )

Never had a money hustler at Zapatas, that's weird. But here is what you want to say to anyone trying to sell you something: Bu yao! (Pronounced BOO YOW!!!) It literally means "Don't want!" and should be good enough. If he pisses you off, maybe you can say "Ni shu san dien!"

China speakers can help me with that last - I'm trying to say "You're crazy" using a local idiom of saying "you are one o'clock". Correct me if I'm all wrong, I'm no linguist...

GM

[Asdvlerner]

Gualtier Malde,

A guy comes up to me near Zapatas and starts hussleling me for money. I try my best to tell him to go away. He was really bothering me he couldn't understand that I really wanted him to leave me alone. I ended up shouting at the top of my voice, which is very loud, GO AWAY. After the guy recovered from the shock, he took off. Since I don't want to have a hundred people staring at me again, what could I say in chinese that would get him to go away without raising my voice. Something short and simple to say, but means something to the effect of "you have 5 seconds to get out of my sight before I stick a crowbar up you ass and pull it out of your mouth"?

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.I was told if "bu yao bu yao bu yao" doesn't work to tell the "zuo cai" - they told me it means go away.

It has worked consistantly for me.

Good luck and enjoy your stay!

Cheers,

Asdv

[Cocoon]

Long timer lurker, finally something useful to contribute.

Normally, I cannot get through to ISG when in China, and then can't find the addresses and info when I am in touch again.

How can the Chinese police allow proxy servers, if they are at all serious about censorship, I always thought. Anyway, signed up for a five day free trial today with

http://www.relakks.com/

and here I am.

Found this useful list of sauna places, dated 6th December 2006:

http://xocat.com/f/redirect.php?tid=39937&goto=lastpost

All in Chinese, so obviously it's only for the hardcore Casanova, not the merely dilletante.

It includes Shanghai Hotel and Waves, so I thought why not check the list out, and tried Boduohuisuo(博多会所), which is on Xietulu (斜土路). It's a taxi ride from XuJiaHui. Big sign outside (博多会所), in a quiet area.

They take security quite seriously, and there is a dedicated lift to go up. The list said new, but I was very impressed with the facilties. The spa compares favourably with a spa in a five star hotel. No communal changing room, you get your own TV Lounge cum changing room.

The selection is done identity parade style, behind a glass screen, the ladies wearing a number tag. I don't know if the glass was one way. There were about a dozen to choose from, and others were working. No models.

The room had a big WET room attached, and the program included a water themed session, on a double sized airbed, with slithering Body to Body masage. I think she dissolved something (KY Jelly?) in hot water.

The bedroom ceiling had hoops for the red sash (rope) trick. The bed was powered, and full of surprises. You don't have to do any work in cowgirl position, and you are still pumping! Even a legless Vietnam Vet (Tom Cruise, Born on 4th of July) cannot fail to have a good time. The girl was very good: attitude, technique, stamina. Top marks for RMB780.

I am an overseas Chinese, so I don't know whether they can deal with those who are linguistically challenged.

Suck it and see. Obviously, in this company, it should be:

"_uck it and see."

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Dog Day]

Went to a BBS in Wuzhong Lu. Noticed a cute looking girl outside talking on the celphone. I went inside and the mamasan asked me which one? i said the one outside, but she suggested why not take 2? The other girl inside looks yummy too so I was pushed to a threesome. Both are from Hunan, "cute" Xiao Wang (20-a 9) and Xiao Lu (22- an 8)
This BBS had an apartment that comes with the ST deal. Went inside and the two girls undressed and wow!! both had great real boobies and sexy tight bodies. I have done threesome before but these girls just made me so crazy. One girl was giving me a BBBJ while one was sucking my nipples. My left and right hand was playing with the boobs, nipples and pussies of 2 sexy girls. One girl put in the condom and rode me, while i was tempted to DATY the "cute" girl and she prrrrd like a cat in heat when i did it. The girl who rode me was extremely tight. After a few minutes, changed condoms and they interchanged and I rode the "cute" girl for a deep mish. She was a nympho and it just made me so crazy..I had to stop thrusting a couple of times in order not to cum.
They realized i have no cum yet so, the other girl gave me a BBBJ again and this time she sucked my balls and gave me a good rimming. She rode me again and she was still extremely tight. The cute girl was all over my upper body licking and sucking. Finally i rode the other girl but she did not want to do mish but i insisted. She was the tightest girl i have had and i can feel her pain so after a few minutes, I rode the cute girl while the other girl was massaging my back with hher boobs and rubbing my balls. Finally I came. I was exhausted, wet with sweat but extremely satisfied after more than an hour of carnal aerobics.
It made me 300 poorer but it was well worth it.
Will definitely do a return and plan a threesome take home next time which will be 400. Hope to get some pics.

[M02040608]

It has been sometime since my last posting. I got married a while ago and stopped the habbit which I am thinking of picking up again. Since I am coming to Shanghai for the first time around of the end of this month, I was looking for translators to ease me back into the scene. So I looked into booking from www.Freeiva.com. Some were really hot and charged 80 USD / half day. Could anyone let me know if they have tried this service and what is the best way to smooth her into bed after going out for sometime.

thanks
m

[Albert Punter]

You can make search using "freeiva" as key word and you will read some interesting reports.


It has been sometime since my last posting. I got married a while ago and stopped the habbit which I am thinking of picking up again. Since I am coming to Shanghai for the first time around of the end of this month, I was looking for translators to ease me back into the scene. So I looked into booking from www.Freeiva.com. Some were really hot and charged 80 USD / half day. Could anyone let me know if they have tried this service and what is the best way to smooth her into bed after going out for sometime.

thanks
m

[LoveAsianWhores]

Today was my big business day, so no time for fun. But everything is wrapped up so I shouldn't have to take any more nights off. I just want to post a pic of the girl from last night, and make a couple of observations as I know that many people are always looking for a way to come to Asia and work and endulge in the hobby full time.

The expats here are very different from those in Manila. They tend to be young, mutinational types. In Manila they tend to be older, fatter, and living on a limited income. It appears that out here there are many opportunities for westerners to get a job While in the Philippines, you had better be able to make it in business, which can be quite hard.

But the business opportunities out here are tremendous. Today I bought a custom product for $1,000 that I was quoted at for $5,000 in the US, and I bought a large quanity of another product for 15 cents each, that sell for 55 cents in the US. And it turns out that this same supplier sells to the same people who I used to buy from in the US. The money I saved pays for my airfare, hotel, and a weeks worth of fun, with a lot left over.

The point is, if you are working for a multinational making a thousand or two a week, you should look into business opportunities out here. It wasn't until I was in my 30's that I figured out that I could leave my job and make a lot more, and I wish I could have thought of it sooner.

And a funny story from todays meeting. I'm looking around the wherehouse while the guy was getting everything together and I see a stack of products with the Ohio state seal. Now, I'm in the business and I was quite sure that they were not ordered by the state of Ohio, and the intended customer was not the state of Ohio either. So I ask the guy in a sarcastic way, "so, the state of Ohio is one of your customers"?. He then gives me a puzzed look and says "what is Ohio"?. I'm just glad I didn't find anything labled Airbus as I am flying home next week.

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[Detlef]

I visited the Merrylin Hotel sauna and massage place together with a friend and we both had very negative experiences there.

I read a lot of good reports about this place but what happened to me with OK Chinese communication skills was basically a rip off.

Routine started as usual with undressing sauna and shower than waiting room with some fruit and drinks.

After that a line up of 4 girls for the 2 of us.

After that move to the rooms. The girls both had bad service attitude and stopped the session after only 35 40 minutes and one shot. the explanation was that the time for the shower and in the waiting rooms counts towards the total time of 70 minutes.

I complained heavily to the guy who claimed to be the manager during that night but did not get anything out of it. Finally paid 680 RMB and left.

Later found out that my friend left even before me due to total inability of the girl.

It was during Chinese New Year and the only explanation I have is that they did not enough girls, however a service like that is unacceptable to me.

Pls let other forum members know if had negative experiences there as well.

Detlef

[Cocoon]

The Chinese for Freeiva is 易娃 , which means Easy Doll. Hmm?

The only Male Translator I could find was:

No. 13059, Allan Li, listed as FEMALE!

A few years ago, I thought Stelios of EasyJet should register Easygirl as a domain name, if only as a publicity stunt, but he never did. I checked at the time, it was not registered. Now it's just a porn site. It would have been a great name for a Temp agency.

This is the first time I managed to get through to ISG while in Shanghai.

On a five day free trial with relakks.com.

Quite tricky to connect. Seems I have to click "Work Offline" in XP. Maybe it's because I am switching connection from regular Ethernet to a VPN, even though it's going through the hotel Ethernet, the same as before.

I used to write OSI layer 2 and 3 code and debug in hex, for christ's sakes. And I have no idea why it links or not!

There is a Sauna called BoDuoHuiSuo, at 645 Xietu Lu. There is a WET room, attached to the main massage room. There is an inflated double bed for water based activities. The massage table/bed does the pumping FOR YOU in cowgirl. RMB780 for a five star experience. Don't know if they only speak Chinese. I have to say girls are not as pretty as Shanghai Hotel, but the facilities and service is as good or better.

[Cocoon]

I thought my previous report from the night before got discarded because I took too long writing it, and the session timed out. That's why I wrote another one, tonight, with more or less the same information.

Now I see the first report and the second have appeared, and an Editor (Jackson?) has made a comment.

This implies a huge amount of human moderation, because there must be hundreds (thousands?) of reports per day, across all the countries, and their cities.

If people stop thinking about sex, and use their energies (and money) elsewhere, they could end world hunger in a year. NOT!

[Bad Boy Billy]

Long timer lurker, finally something useful to contribute.

Normally, I cannot get through to ISG when in China, and then can't find the addresses and info when I am in touch again.

How can the Chinese police allow proxy servers, if they are at all serious about censorship, I always thought. Anyway, signed up for a five day free trial today with

http://www.relakks.com/

and here I am.

Found this useful list of sauna places, dated 6th December 2006:

http://xocat.com/f/redirect.php?tid=39937&goto=lastpost

All in Chinese, so obviously it's only for the hardcore Casanova, not the merely dilletante.

It includes Shanghai Hotel and Waves, so I thought why not check the list out, and tried Boduohuisuo(博多会所), which is on Xietulu (斜土路). It's a taxi ride from XuJiaHui. Big sign outside (博多会所), in a quiet area.

They take security quite seriously, and there is a dedicated lift to go up. The list said new, but I was very impressed with the facilties. The spa compares favourably with a spa in a five star hotel. No communal changing room, you get your own TV Lounge cum changing room.

The selection is done identity parade style, behind a glass screen, the ladies wearing a number tag. I don't know if the glass was one way. There were about a dozen to choose from, and others were working. No models.

The room had a big WET room attached, and the program included a water themed session, on a double sized airbed, with slithering Body to Body masage. I think she dissolved something (KY Jelly?) in hot water.

The bedroom ceiling had hoops for the red sash (rope) trick. The bed was powered, and full of surprises. You don't have to do any work in cowgirl position, and you are still pumping! Even a legless Vietnam Vet (Tom Cruise, Born on 4th of July) cannot fail to have a good time. The girl was very good: attitude, technique, stamina. Top marks for RMB780.

I am an overseas Chinese, so I don't know whether they can deal with those who are linguistically challenged.

Suck it and see. Obviously, in this company, it should be:

"_uck it and see."

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How much for your experience?

[El Greco]

But the business opportunities out here are tremendous. Today I bought a custom product for $1,000 that I was quoted at for $5,000 in the US, and I bought a large quanity of another product for 15 cents each, that sell for 55 cents in the US. And it turns out that this same supplier sells to the same people who I used to buy from in the US. The money I saved pays for my airfare, hotel, and a weeks worth of fun, with a lot left over.

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From my small experience with importing from China some fifteen years ago:

The retail price in western world of any product bought in china is at least 5-6 times the price paid. If your product is selling at 55c back home you should buy it 10c not 15c. It seems to me that you overpaid by 50%.

Try to buy directly from the manufacturer otherwise middle men will make at least 25-30% out of you. For that purpose avoid Hong Kong at any cost.

The more quantity you buy the more of a better price you can ask.

In order to deal directly to manufactures visit the Guagdong fair held on April and October of each year.

Quality control, of the products before shipped, must be carrefully dealt with too. Keep it in mind.

My two cents.

Thanks

[Mr Rippey]

Hey all,

In town for a few days before I goto Hong Kong. Wanted to get into some action out here since the people I came with are eating eating and not girls. Any good places I should check out? I hear Zapatas has a few nice ones I can take back to the room. Also looking for a nice massage place where a nice BBBJ could help my jet lag :)

Any pointers would be appreciated.

Rippey

[Mr Rippey]

Want to check out a few spots, need a good massage at this point with this bad ass jet lag. Need to find a nice nite spot as well where I can bring a cutie back for anything.

Any pointers welcome.

Rippey

[Mark17]

Hey all,

In town for a few days before I goto Hong Kong. Wanted to get into some action out here since the people I came with are eating eating and not girls. Any good places I should check out? I hear Zapatas has a few nice ones I can take back to the room. Also looking for a nice massage place where a nice BBBJ could help my jet lag:)

Any pointers would be appreciated.

RippeyWalk out of the Hilton to the side alley. There are many massge places.

Walk by them to the main street. Turn left. Half a block up on the same side of the street is the Shanghai Hotel.

Enter the lobby go to the left, take the elevators to the second floor.

There is there Sauna. Tell them you want the "body massage"

They will lead you thru. You pic the girl. Red ropes. Full service.

680 rmb.

Nice Selection.

If you want a basic massage. And just a HJ.

Walk across the street from the Hilton. Turn right. There is a massage place on the corner. Girl is at the booth in the lobby. You go down stairs.

Not a great place. But cheaper. You negotiate with the girl.

Some do not allow much. Some allo more. But no BJ or FS.

You can walk to Tongren Rd. Go to Mahattan and pick up a FL.

Concierge can give you directions. 5-10 minute walk.

Happy hunting

[Gualtier Malde]

Want to check out a few spots, need a good massage at this point with this bad ass jet lag. Need to find a nice nite spot as well where I can bring a cutie back for anything.

Any pointers welcome.

Rippey

As usual, RTFF...

You are at the Hilton. Go around the block to the opposite side. You will see the Shanghai Hotel. Go to the 2nd floor. It is a Shanghai Sauna. Get your rocks off in style.

From the front door of the Hilton. Go three blocks east to Tong Ren Lu. Pick up a girl at Manhattan. Take her home.

Geez, this info was posted on this forum not 48 hours ago. How could you miss it.

Get your act together and READ the FORUM, dude.

Don't ask even one more question, either in public, or private, because I JUST WROTE A POSTING about what to do within walking distance of the Hilton within the last 48 hours.

After you post on your first experiences here, I'll be happy to provide more help.

GM

[Gualtier Malde]

...

A guy comes up to me near Zapatas and starts hussleling me for money. I try my best to tell him to go away. He was really bothering me he couldn't understand that I really wanted him to leave me alone. I ended up shouting at the top of my voice, which is very loud, GO AWAY. After the guy recovered from the shock, he took off. Since I don't want to have a hundred people staring at me again, what could I say in chinese that would get him to go away without raising my voice. Something short and simple to say, but means something to the effect of "you have 5 seconds to get out of my sight before I stick a crowbar up you ass and pull it out of your mouth"?

LAW,

Sorry for the delay in figuring out what situation you were confronted with... In my first response, I thought you were dealing with a money exchanger (black market foreign exchange) which I have never encountered at Zapatas and hence called "weird". (By the way, a black market foreign money echanger will always be a ripoff... avoid.)

What you encountered I presume is a beggar, most likely hanging around the cabbies. This is common. These guys are persistent. They also have no respect for your personal space. It seems they'll climb in the cab with you.

There is not much you can do except ignore them. I don't think I would get too aggressive with them. You never know when one is going to produce a knife or otherwise respond violently. These guys are too crusty to respond to anything verbal, either in English or Chinese. Just try to ignore them and move along.

The other irritant are the little kids begging for money. These kids are run by gangs. They are either orphans or kidnapped kids working for the gang, being run by their "mommy", who is almost certainly not related to the kid. This is almost the most foul, disgusting practice I've seen in China. The only thing worse is one of these women directly begging, holding an unconscious baby.

The way to get rid of the begging kid is very simple. Immediately cross the street, wherever you happen to be standing. You don't actually have to cross, just move to the curb, act like you are about to step out into the street. Apparently, these kids are trained not to leave the sidewalk. They will usually walk away at that point. Frequently you can immedately continue down the block in the direction you originally traveled without actually crossing.

I have no solution for the women with the unconscious babies. Those babies usually aren't just sleeping - they are either drugged or have been knocked unconscious. Women have been seen banging the babies heads on the concrete to knock them out.

Personally, I believe those women (or the gang members who drive them) are perfect candidates for a chinese execution. I wouldn't even give them the option of opening their mouths to keep their heads from exploding when shot.

The best you can do is walk away from them rapidly. They are carrying a baby, so they don't move fast.

I'd love for a chinese speaker to teach me the best way to say to those women "You are the lowest form of human garbage, and I hope you are shot before dawn..."

GM

[Mock A Bee]

Hey all,

In town for a few days before I goto Hong Kong. Wanted to get into some action out here since the people I came with are eating eating and not girls. Any good places I should check out? I hear Zapatas has a few nice ones I can take back to the room. Also looking for a nice massage place where a nice BBBJ could help my jet lag :)

Any pointers would be appreciated.

Rippey

Rippey,

All the information you need is already posted.
RTFF
This is not a help desk.

MAB

[Fast Eddie 48]

Hey all,

In town for a few days before I goto Hong Kong. Wanted to get into some action out here since the people I came with are eating eating and not girls. Any good places I should check out? I hear Zapatas has a few nice ones I can take back to the room. Also looking for a nice massage place where a nice BBBJ could help my jet lag :)

Any pointers would be appreciated.

Rippey




to rippey


If you go to Zappata go on thurday night taco night all you can eat taco and all the beer you can drink for 12 USD , and you might get lucky and get some fish taco to go .





fast eddie 48

[Chuck Norris]

From my small experience with importing from China some fifteen years ago:

Quality control, of the products before shipped, must be carrefully dealt with too. Keep it in mind.

My two cents.

ThanksDon't just keep it in mind, this has to be one of THE most important aspects of doing business here. Whether its just a difference in standards a misunderstanding when it comes to expectations - or - they are just plain trying to shaft you. You almost never get what you pay for :) Careful attention definately required.

Peace.

[Nightwing88]

Based on Cocoon's report, and because I was in the vicinity of Xujiahui, I decided to try out Boduo before a business meeting. The experience was exactly as described. Boduohuisuo is located next door to a Shi Ji Lian Hua (世纪联华 ). To locate this on the map, look for Xietu Lu. The crossroads are Dapu Lu and Luban Lu. Luban Lu runs below the North-South Highway that splits Shanghai in two. There is a big sign for Boduohuisuo in Chinese out front. Take the furthest most elevator up to the 4th floor. The first set of elevators opens up onto an electronic games arcade.

Once inside, they usher you into a room where you change. As described, when you are ready, they take you into another room where you can view all the pretty girls. I picked a short girl with big boobs. Once inside the room, you immediately strip. She gives you a bath, then you lie down on the air mattress and she rubs herself all over you. Next, you clean up, and adjourn to the main room where she'll slurp water all over your body and do the red rope trick. She whipped out two vibrators. One was shaped like a small mouse, which I could use to plug any hole in her body. The other was a longer vibrator which she offerred to plug into my butt (I declined nicely!). We made love on the massage table, on top of the red rope, and on top of a bouncy Pilates ball. By the way, one other little thing she did was to place a condom on my big toe; I could then insert my toe into her vagina while getting a BJ! @!!;-)??!@ Needless to say, this was a lot of fun.

Cost was more than what I expected at 780RMB. But I think I'll be bringing my friends here again. I talked a lot with my girl, and she said they get a lot of people coming at night now. Though they don't speak English, they don't mind foreigners at all.

Also, great site on xocat.com. When I get a chance, I'll try to translate all of that into English for the rest of us.

Nightwing.

[Chuck Norris]

this is supposed to be a developing country, but shanghai is one of the most moderen cities i have ever been to. i was wandering around a department store today, and i felt like i had just gone a couple of years into the future. more high tech gadgets then i have ever seen in a store. just about every household applience from toilets to tosters, were electronic. i must have seen a couple of dozern things that even i couldn't figure out, and i am a gadget junkie. i estimated in one store i went into, called suning, they sold about 6 or 7 hundred different models of cell phones. sure, most were the same but had a different brand, but compare that to the us where you will see about 50 models at the very most. and i bet 80% of them were made in china. if this place is a developing country like they say, then i guess the us is the third world. although i am sure it is different in the countryside, shanghai is part of china.believe me brother, shanghai may well be one of the most modern cities in the world but china is still a developing country and it has a long, long, long, long way to go as a nation. if by the 'countryside' you mean the villages (and not the trees, mountains etc) then yes, the 'countryside' is indeed different - mostly in an abject poverty kind of way. however, in truth you don't have to venture off into the deepest jungle to see some shit that is in stark contrast to the glitz and glamour of shanghai nightclubs or big department stores. in fact, if you peer deep enough into that rabbit hole there are parts of shanghai that look like the gaza strip :) don't get me wrong, i love china - warts and all, but it's a mistake to look at shanghai and think for a moment that this is reality for more than a tiny minority of chinese people.

i just proof read the paragraph above and it sounds a little like a lecture, so... i just want to say that i don't mean it that way at all. i've spent a few days to a few weeks in many of china's major cities and i've spent the last few months living in one of the shitholes - poorest people i've ever seen besides t.v. i just want to share my insights, subjective as they are.

have fun back in manilla, sounds like a blast ;)

peace.

[LoveAsianWhores]

So last night I wanted to check out the bars on Julu Lu. I first decided to Have a Mojito in Cubano, which was perfect and I had two. The food was just OK. I live within walking distance to Cafa Havanah in Manila, so I am used to very good Cuban food. The problem was that the two Mojitos, mixed with the joint I just smoked, got me pretty wasted. I ended up spending $150 in some Julu Lu bar hoping to take home the a cute bartender, which wasn't happening. I found the bars on this street quite dead, which appeared to only exist to separate me from my money. By the time it was over, it was 3: 00, and I had way too much Yaegermeister, so I went home alone. I am a little to experienced at this to let this happen, but I'm in a different country and I got a little carried away. Even in Manila, I sometimes go home alone, so I survived. Tomorrow is a new day.

Woke up horny as hell and decided to try a couple of places I read about on the board. First was Joy massage, which supposedly is a massage parlor that offers take out. Only two very average girls available when I got there about 2: 00 in the afternoon, so it was off to the next place, the BBS on Wuzhong Road. I had come across several BBS in the last couple of days, but I had yet to see a cute girl in any of them. This street was different. About 20 BBS on both sides of the road, so you can get a huge selection in about a 10 minute walk. Lots of really cute girls in these shops, all dressed in gowns, mostly white, which made them look very sexy. Reminded me a little of Svay Pak in Cambodia, except this place was a regular street instead of a dirty brothel village. The problem, as a poster had already pointed out, is that these places appear to offer only hand jobs. I went into one place that had some REALLY cute girls. I picked a cute little thing that was about 19 or 20. Tried to see if I could get her to come back to my hotel, but was informed that it was not allowed. Once in the back room, she made it clear that only a hand job was available for 100Y. Usually not interested in handjobs, but she was so cute in that dress that I said sure. And I must say that it was one of the best HJ's that I can ever remember getting. A very sweet girl that I would have just loved to fuck, but I just enjoyed sticking my hand up her dress while she got me off. All in all, a great place to go if you are looking for a HJ from a very cute girl.

So it is just after 9: 00 on Wednesday and I understand that this is the time to go to Zapatas (ladies night). Lets see how it goes.

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[sh-oldtimer]

Seeing that the Wu Zhong Road BBS scene has been mentioned in recent posts, I have dug up my ISG password from years back to comment on this. I can confirm that you are not likely to get much further than a HJ, possibly a "boob job", with the girl at various stages of undress, this based on some 50+ visits and fluent Chinese. Some of the girls are stunning, as in web model quality. So instead of w. off to web models, you can go over there and have them do it for you. There is also normally very good massage involved. Cubicles are small but not dirty. I go with a few regulars and I overpay at 200, often also 300 as I venture closer to the FS in terms of service (i.e. full strip, DATY etc). I shot a video of one of the girls in Wu Zhong Road in full nude and checked it the next day after I sobered up and she was truly stunning, so it is not only the beer googles talking. I am still kicking myself for deleting that video in a moral crusade. Just to qualify the locations: driving west from the inner ring, direction middle ring, accross Gui Lin rd, on the right hand side are 8-10 different good ones, then up and in the next traffic light on the left are 4-5 good ones on the first floor of a residental building. The good ones are characterized by the girls looking good, wearing the same long white or yellow dresses and the shops being large and well lit, there are a large number of dark little shops around which probably offer more. Negative experiences from Wu Zhong road have been: the pushing for two girls, this seems to be the case on the first visits or if the stunners are taken - it is not a good experience since the girl will be more hesitant to strip or provide any extra or friendly service. Just smile and say no. Dental hygene is improving but if you are unlucky can be a plague. You will be talking or at least trying to. The other main drawback of this place is that it is a rather busy street with a lot of regular people living in that area, which is up and coming in terms of residence quality, and I think it is just a matter of time before LE comes on visits - I have seen two such raids (other places in Shanghai) and it looks quick and brutal. Getting caught will probably mess up your life out here seriously, at least if you are more than just a visitor. it's just that the attitudes are changing. As for only HJ being available, for me it's a plus - people I know have come home with herpes on the base or little critters in their pubes, even while wearing condoms and visiting decent places, a HJ from a stripping cutie does the trick. Please share other similar "cute HJ" sites.

[LoveAsianWhores]

So I head out to Zapatas for their famed ladies night. Turns out that last time I was there was a Salsa Sunday, and all Shanghai's salsa dancers turn out to strut their stuff. Sundays are not a good day for mongering in this place.

I got there about 10: 30 and the place was packed. Maybe 60% female. Of the women, about 75% local and 25% expat/tourist. Reversed for the men, with about 75% expat. Looked around and it appeared like there were some good opporunities. Since the place is mixed with working girls, girls out for fun, and everything in between, you need to make eye contact before approaching a girl. A lot different from LA Cafe in Manila where you just assume every girl is working and you can go up to any girl with ease. It was very difficult to move around with all the people so I just stayed in one place to see what happens. Unfortunately, the only thing that happend is that more people came. And more. And more. I am fine with crowds, but I do need an inch or two around me to be comfortable. By about 11: 00, the preassure of the people was getting annoying. I am also OK if the people around me are just touching me for lack of space. But I could really feel the pressure of all the people pushing on me. We were getting packed into this place like sardines. At this point I just wasn't comfortable. Half the fun is the search, and this place was not fun at all. And besides, there was no practical way to move, so unless a girl you liked was standing next to you, you couldn't find anyone. After several minutes of pushing and shoving to make it to the door, I was relieved to be outside. And I noticed that there were even MORE people arriving. I tried hanging out in the courtyard, but it was too cold for the women and it was all men. A shame, because there was a lot of potential in this place.

Next stop was the MaoMing Lu bar area. This place was pretty quiet. Went into a couple of bars and bought a couple of drinks for a cute girl, but just like last night, she finished at 3: 00 and wanted to sleep after that. Didn't want to waste any more money on ladies drinks, so I left. I noticed that the only cute chinese girls in these bars worked there, and they would not go out. The couple of girls that appeared to be hanging out and not working for the bar were not very cute at all. Went into Judy's (same owner as Judys on Tong Ren Lu). Noticed a bunch of Filipina girls in a group, and one was quite cute. So we started talking. I finally got my answers as to why these Filipinas came here to work, when there are plently of bars in Manila. Anyway, she was cute and I asked her about a barfine and she said 1, 200. That was cheap! About the same price as Manila. Although she was 22 (I rarely get a girl the wrong side of 20 in Manila), she was nice and the price was right, so off we went. Of course, I was not here for Filipinas, but in the end, you have to go with what turns you on. And these worn out Chinese were not doing it for me. The "bar fine" works the same as in Singapore. You pay it directly to the girl in the morning. They are here under contract and they have fixed a price. 1, 000 to the bar, and 200 to them.

In the cab I ask her how many barfines she has had since she came here a month ago. She told me I was only the second. "That is strange" I said, "why". "Because everyone tells me the bar fine is too much" she says. And then it hits me. I'm in China. The price she quoted me was in Yuan, not pesos. I am just so used to 1, 000 peso bar fines in Manila, and 1, 200 in Angleles city, that when a filipina tells me the barfine (a term she probably only uses with me) is 1, 200, my mind just assumed pesos without thinking. So, this Filipina was going to cost me $150 US. Bummer.

But she had a great body, tight pussy, and was very nice, so no complaints.

Now it is time for my observation. Like the Philippines, Thailand, Cambodia and Indonesia, China is a country that has millions of poverty stricken women. But unlike those countries, they don't appear to chose a life of prostitution en masse. In the other countries I mentioned, the tourist bars will be filled with young, cute local women who will fuck you for some money. Not in China, or at least not in Shanghai. Although the saunas appear to have plenty, the girls don't seam to make it to the bars. Maybe they are shy to be working in public, as the sauna affords them some privacy.

Anyway, a pic of the girl from last night follows:

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[Buck Tooth]

Anyone live in this neighbourhood or around it? Yes it's far away, but it's where I'm stuck for the time being. There are about three sauna and massage places along the street, and I dropped into one for a normal massage, since I wasn't feeling particularly frisky that night. Was quoted prices ranging from 390, 288, 188 with complete full-service with rimming, fire and ice etc, straight sex, and an oil massage with a handjob.

It's 18 rmb during the day for the shower fee, 28 at night, they also have rooms there for rent at 48 rmb for 12 hours, where you can just hang out there and order whatever service you want during that period.

I just had a regular zhi ya massage for 58 rmb, and had a nice chat with the masseuse in which she explain that there are about 6-8 'xiao jies' who provide fs services. There is also a big tub and a guy that defoliates your skin with a rough towel.

Don't remember the name of this place, but it's on the corner of Meichuan Lu and Wanzhen Lu.

As for the Wuzhong Lu BBS's, what's the cross street?

BT

[Chuck Norris]

LAW,

What you encountered I presume is a beggar, most likely hanging around the cabbies. This is common. These guys are persistent. They also have no respect for your personal space. It seems they'll climb in the cab with you.

There is not much you can do except ignore them. I don't think I would get too aggressive with them. You never know when one is going to produce a knife or otherwise respond violently. These guys are too crusty to respond to anything verbal, either in English or Chinese. Just try to ignore them and move along.

Dear friend, this "beggar" issue is a mighty tricky one. GM is absolutely correct when he says they are persistent and have no respect for your space. He is also right on the money when he says not to get aggressive with them - its not worth the trouble unless you are seriously connected with the Police or the Gangs (and everyone knows it) or you have said friends with you or close by. These crusty fucks rarely operate alone so if you can't see its buddies it doesn't necessarily mean that they aren't there.

I have had way to many encounters with these fuck-giraffes for my liking I've even been mobbed a coupla times - very unpleasant I assure you. I have tried everything from telling them to "Fuck Off" very loudly, to playing the "I can't See You" game to telling them in Chinese to "Get lost" and that "I have no Money". My Chinese family who were with me at the time(s) also tried unsuccessfully to move these fellows along. None of this was really effective and only served to heighten the tension.

I hate to say it, but the one thing that has worked with any degree of success is to give them some money. Small, small amounts 10-20c, whatever. It will get them off your back. If there is a group give to one or two and then say you don't have any more. This has worked for me every time. My advice is to keep a small collection of the 10, 20c notes handy - they wont take up much room and aren't heavy and won't jangle around annoyingly in your pocket. Dispense as needed :)


The other irritant are the little kids begging for money. These kids are run by gangs.Yup, do not fuck with these kids. Here's just one reason why. Went to the bank a while back in Lian Yun Gang, parked the car in the banks car park. Immediately two disheveled 9 year olds approach with a dirty cup in outstretched hands, my Chinese cousin tells them to "Fuck Off". They are persistent all the way to the doors of the bank with my cousin still doing his best to discourage them. As we enter they shout something and disappear, off in search of other prey I guess. We finish our business and head off for a little grocery shopping at the adjacent supermarket. We get back to the car to discover several thousand RMB worth of damage to the car in the form of scratches and dents, the little bastards had worked over our car! So much for bank security. In the carpark at least. My cousin was looking a little sheepish so I had my wife ask him why. He replied that as we were entering the bank the kiddies had shouted to him that we'd be sorry we never gave them anything.

Hope this helps a little, best of luck!

Your mate - Chuck!

[Disaster53]

Hi all,

I'll be in shanghai in few weeks time and it's my first time in china.

I've been searching the board for info about girls and I found all I need, but I have a problem. All the hotel mentioned are a bit too expensive for me and so I ask all the well informed for help.

What I'm looking for is an hotel where I can bring the girl without problems for the night and that is not over 50 or 60 dollars at night.

I do not care if is not a 5 star ( a 3 is more than enough for me), and if is not in the area with a lot of action.

Could someone help me, please!

[LoveAsianWhores]

My Filipina girl left at 2 so we had time for a great afternoon fuck (at least for me, although she didn't appear too happy about it after the marathon session we had last night). A couple of hours of work and then back to the bars. Checked out Tong Ren Lu, but nothing there did it for me. Headed out to Bourbon Street because I didn't feel I absolutely had to have a girl toninght due to my afternoon session, and I liked the atmosphere in Bourbon so I was cool with just spending the rest of the night there and maybe getting lucky.

As I am walking down to the bar, I was approached by the usual hustlers trying to get me to their bars. One of the girls was quite cute, so we started talking. Now, I knew how this scam works (you go to some overpriced bar and get hussled). But she said she would go to my hotel with me if I didn't find a nice girl in the lineup, and I was looking for something interesting to do tonight anyway. And I did want to check out the KTV scene, so off we went.

We get to some big hotel (I forget the name) and go the third floor. Now, this was certainly the nicest KTV place I have ever been to. HUGE, with lots of very plush rooms and lots of hot women running around. I figured it would cost some money, but I would keep tabs on everything. Picked out a very cute girl from the lineup, chatted for a little, she agreeed to go to my hotel for 600. Done deal. So, based on my calculations, the bill should have been 600. Get the tab and, WHAT THE FUCK, 2, 500! Blah Blah Blah, the manager comes in, some guys plays the toughie, and we negotiate. So they kind of had me on one point. The cocktails they ordered were priced by the ounce, and menu did say that. So instead of 200 for the two cocktails, it was 1000. So being the reasonable person that I am, I agreed to pay an extra 200, which would make the total 800 instead of 600. Considering that I really owed 600, and I knew that I was going to get scammed before I even entered the place, and they did have me on a point, an extra 200Y was reasonable. Well, it wasn't to them. But this place was really nice, in a 4 star hotel, so at the end of the day I knew that I would win, so I stuck to my guns. The manager was getting ticked that I wasn't budging so he then had the toughie come in, point his finger in a threatening manner at me, and raise his voice. Which caused me to respond in kind, which made everyone in the room very uncomfortable, and things quickly settled down. Anyway, the room was filled with people, and being China, the manager didn't want to lose face. So at the end, he was quite insistent that I give him another 100. But I really didn't care if he lost face (in fact, it would make me happy), so we were at an impasse. So finally I said "if you call that guy who theatened me back in here and you let us fight, I'll give you the 100". I figured it was a win-win situation. If he said no, it was being made quite clear that I was prepared to fight, and it was them who were backing down. And in the very, very unlikely situation that he said yes, better still. There was nothing I would have liked more than to get it on with that guy. Even if he knows kung fu, I was quite sure that I would at least get in a few punches and make him pay for pointing his finger at me. Keep in mind that I often go to some of the roughest bars in Manila looking for action, so this was all just a big joke to me.

The girl explains to the manager the deal, and he says yes! Now, this seamed quite strange. I again tell the girls (who both spoke good english) that if I pay the extra 100, the manager is agreeing for me to fight the other guy. They translate, and the manager smiles and nods in agreement. OK, I said, and I give the 100. They then call the guy in and say something to him and they tell me OK. So I check this guy out. He is about my size, I psyche myself up for the fight, and tell everyone to leave the room. And then I get some weird looks. I then have a convesation with one of the girls about how there is no way we can fight in this small room with everyone standing around. She starts laughing and explains to the guy that I just paid 100 for the privilege of fighting him. I just wish someone else was there to see the look on that guys face. Apparently, they all thought I was paying the 100 to get the guy fired, not to fight him, which of course would have been a big farce because they wouldn't really fire him. But when I said "look, I paid my 100 and want to fight this guy NOW", I quickly got my 100 back and I left.

But here was the problem with the whole situation above. In all the confusion, I didn't negotiate for the girl, who I really wanted to fuck and who was quite willing to go with me. In fact, while we were negotiating, the manager said on a couple of occasions while were in the 800 to 1200 bracket, what about the girl. But at that point I had lost my hard on, and I said forget about the girl (what the FUCK was I thinking). Most likely I could have taken the girl home with me an extra 200 (they were only asking 500 retail for the girl).

So the moral of the story is that no matter how heated things get. No matter how mad you are, never, ever forget the mission. TO GET LAID.

And of course, no pic to post tonight.

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[Tequila Kid]

Hi all,

I'll be in shanghai in few weeks time and it's my first time in china.

I've been searching the board for info about girls and I found all I need, but I have a problem. All the hotel mentioned are a bit too expensive for me and so I ask all the well informed for help.

What I'm looking for is an hotel where I can bring the girl without problems for the night and that is not over 50 or 60 dollars at night.

I do not care if is not a 5 star ( a 3 is more than enough for me), and if is not in the area with a lot of action.

Could someone help me, please!Disaster53,

For Hotels, check AsiaHotels.com;

http://www.asiahotels.com/hl/Shanghai-China-2.asp
Search the 3 star hotels in Shanghai.

Also, Home Inn is easily in your price range.

Do google search for Home Inn Shanghai

They should be OK for bringing company to your room.

I stayed at a Home Inn a few years back. Unlike the bigger and more expensive hotels with lots of staff day and night, these small hotels have barebones staff operating at late hours. Unlikely anyone will take much interest in your activities.

TK

[Dog Day]

Motel 168 is even below your range..and its clean.
its all over the city

[Stickmanfob]

Was in Shanhai and finally did the red rope thingy at Shanghai Hotel. Almost all of the customers were foreigners. Went into a room and picked a girl out of six or seven. Must have gotten there a little after midnight. Picked a girl and she did the red rope thing and somehow I imagined something totally different. Anyways, it was a good experience. She didn't let me do FIV or anything like that and therefore the lack of her involvement seemed to be a turnoff for me.

Called an escort agency to my room the other night and negotiated to 600 all in and the girl was short but had big tits. Enough to get me off. The crazy thing is she wanted to do BBFS. That was just a scary thought.


As usual, RTFF...

You are at the Hilton. Go around the block to the opposite side. You will see the Shanghai Hotel. Go to the 2nd floor. It is a Shanghai Sauna. Get your rocks off in style.

From the front door of the Hilton. Go three blocks east to Tong Ren Lu. Pick up a girl at Manhattan. Take her home.

Geez, this info was posted on this forum not 48 hours ago. How could you miss it.

Get your act together and READ the FORUM, dude.

Don't ask even one more question, either in public, or private, because I JUST WROTE A POSTING about what to do within walking distance of the Hilton within the last 48 hours.

After you post on your first experiences here, I'll be happy to provide more help.

GM

[Le Grand]

Had a bite to eat at Malone's on Tongren Ren Lu near Shanghai Center. Walked up the street and stumbled onto a BBS. 4 girls in the 4-6 range. One of them looked like the lead and greeted me. I tried winging it with my very poor cantonese and we kind of figured it would cost me 60 RMB ... not really sure what for.

When she was leading me to the back room, I decided to pick one of the other girls who was younger and pumpler since I like girls with a bit of meat on them. Not a problem. The girl was friendly but kind of shy. She let me grope her all over and started giving me a hand job when we were standing. She called out to someone and a girl came down from a hole in the ceiling which seems to be another room. She said something to the effect of whether I wanted both of them and I said no. She then left for the front room.

I took my girl's skirt down and noticed her had a tampex on. Since I was not into screwing a girl having her period, I indicated I wanted a BJ. She was very accommodating and started giving me a BBBJ - after filling a glass of warm water and putting my cock into it. I was not quite sure what that was about (a feeble attempt to wash and clean it???). Anyway, she was on her knees and sucked away. I then had her lied on the bed while I pumped her mouth standing. I soon came on her face. All very quick (I did not even take my cloths off since the bed looked a but yucky) but pleasant. I tip her 40 (for a grand total of 100). She was real happy. Gave me a big kiss and a rub as I left.

[Bonzo1]

Man, sounds like you've not been very fortunate so far here in the bar scene. In this case, I suggest two places:

EXTREME SHORT CUT GUIDE TO SH BAR P2P

1. Bourbon Street on Heng Shan lu (stay near the bar on the first floor, the girls will come to you or you can hang back a bit and choose which one to approach).

2. Judy's and/or Manhattan's on Tongren lu (or SW's there late-night, like after 1 or 2am).

You absolutely cannot miss in these places, and there will definitely be Chinese girls at Bourbon Street and Judy's, and probably at Manhattan's too (though a lot of phili's at that one too).

Pay around 300 to 500 ST, 800-1000 LT. I'm not saying that is the absolute range, just giving it to you straight as to what I think the average you should expect.

There are a lot of talking type bars here, and sometimes those take more work, or a different kind of "radar". That can be expensive and doesn't sound like what you are after.

Interesting observations you made about China v. other places in SE Asia. I guess every place has its own characteristics, and we here in Shanghai are accustomed to the style here in picking up chicks from all sorts of bars. It is definitely less "open" though than say Bangkok, which I actually think is more fun since it can (to some extent) provide the illusion of a chase (or even the reality of one) here.

But seriously, if you can't succeed at the places I listed above then either it's by choice or there's something seriously wrong with you (which I'm not implying).

Also, btw, don't give up on freebies in SH. To put it plainly, they are a daily option here. But it probably takes some investment of time and energy (i.e. classified ads, or just simply meeting them in bars and chatting) without any guarantee of production. But hey, batting averages here can be very high.

G-luck.

-B-

[LoveAsianWhores]

But seriously, if you can't succeed at the places I listed above then either it's by choice or there's something seriously wrong with you (which I'm not implying).

-B-Well, my vote is that it is by choice. If there was something wrong with me, I wouldn't have so much luck in the Philippines. I go to many of the same bars on a regular basis and get along well with the girls and staff alike. You can't go into a bar for the 100th time and barfine a girl if the other 99 girls haven't said good things about U. Living in Manila the past couple of years has given me a strong preference for a particular type of girl. Generally, 18-21, and at least an 8. 5 in the looks department. I just haven't been finding that in the Shanghai bars. But I'm not complaining. I enjoy a change of pace, although I most likely would have come out here for 4 or 5 days if I had known, instead of the 8 days. I think that is enough time to experiance what Shanghai has to offer (at least on the mongering end).

Anyway, amazingly enough, I had another confrontation today. Amazing because the last time I had a physical fight with someone was back in High School, and since then I have mongered all over the world, including places like Cambodia and Vietnam, which I would have considered much rougher then Shanghai. No need to get into all the details (meet a girl on Nanjing, we go get some "coffee", etc. Etc), but it appears that the rougher shanghai bars, even in the nicer areas, will not hesitate to threaten violence to get their way. Very different from Manila, where the threat of violence is considered very serious indeed, and will usually be met with an equal or greater threat, or a fight that will almost involve some type of weapon. It might even result in a revenge attack, which are quite common. Hits against almost anyone in Manila run only a couple of hundred US$, so even the threat of violence with occasionally be met with the death of one of the parties. This is why you just never see it, except in the most serious of disagreements (like a business or real estate dispute, and someone often ends up dead).

But out here, they won't hesitate. My hunch is that when a foreigner out here is threatend, he truly FEELS threatend, and will submit. I don't think it is easy in Shanghai to hire a couple of thugs to go get revenge on a bar, so they don't have much to lose. And everybody loses if the police get involved, so not a big risk either. I just don't think they would be doing it all the time if it didn't work.

To make a long story short, the bill this afternoon should have clearly been 75Y, but I received a bill of 500 and something. After my experience of last night, I made sure to check with the bar hostess all the prices. And everything was made very clear to me. But I guess it is common out here that when you get the bill, they just make stuff up. Now, if I am in a bar in the middle of the day, right on Nanjing Rd, I know that no one is going to start pounding me. But the guy grabs my arm and pushes me against the couch, with the implied threat that he will twist it if I don't pay. Now, he must have known that I like the use of my arms, so if he did twist, I would be forced to respond with maximum force to protect my arm. And to let him know, I dug my nails into his skin very deep (I didn't intend to go that deep, but these things happen when your hand is grabbed with force). So he backs off. Unfortunately, I didn't have any change so I was forced to give 100 and considering that he wanted over 500, I knew that I wouldn't be getting any change. Anyway, a piece of skin came off during the scuffle and he was bleeding. No big deal, but I enjoyed the fact that it really seemed to bother him and he kept looking at it. As I was waiting for the elevator, I got that puzzeled look I seem to get a lot over here and the hostess asked me why I was smiling (she was in the room and knew that I had just had an altercation). I showed her my hands, and told her to go look the other guys hands. That is why I was smiling. I know, using your nails is kind of girlie, but it had the desired effect, and punching the guy would have been much worse for all involved.

Anyway, the point is, these guys are all talk and nothing more. They only jump to the threats because they must work on someone. And who knows, mabe if I still lived in the US and not Manila, they would have worked on me. So, if you are ever in a similar situation, don't be the dumb ass that gives in (I'm not talking about some out of the way bar in a bad area, just the tourist traps). And most importantly, always keep some change in your pocket. It really bothers me that the guy got an extra 25 Y out of me.

So tonight I think I will check out a sauna I haven't been to yet, as I think they are a much better bet out here then the bars. I've read good things about Waves. Will post a report later.

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[LoveAsianWhores]

So I am off to Waves, but I decide to check out Bourbon St real quick because I never made it there last night and I did like the place based on my one experience. So I walk in and head to the bar, and I see someone immediately that I like. I tend to be quite picky so if I see someone, I know immediately, and if I don't within the first couple of minutes, then in all liklihood, I won't at all. Now, I shouldn't have wasted my 50 pesos on a Sol, because I was out of there in about 3 minutes. I said Hi,. She said massage? . I said how much. She says 800. I say lets go.

It was the usual routine, but very good. I can't she was better then a filipina, but certainly different, and I liked that very much. Not quite up to the level of the first China girl I had from Judys, but she had a good attitude, which made up for it. She smelled different then a Filipina. Felt different. Looked different. And most importantly, she fucked differently. Her english was absolutely zero, and I have a long day of shopping and work tomorrow, so I decided that a short time was in order, which I think was her expectaion anyway, so it worked out great. On a side note, she was extreemly particular about the money. She rejected 3 100Y notes. One becase it had a tiny piece missing from the side. Another because of a very small tear. And yet another because it was too "new". And she rearranged the money three times. First carfully lining them up and folding them. And reversing the procedure two more times before she left. Weird.

Following is a pic of her.

[Gualtier Malde]

Hi LAW,

Thanks for your great day by day posts. I've enjoyed following your maturation to the China scene, which you appear to have done very well.

Here's the deal on KTVs: you *must* negotiate ALL prices up front. Room, drinks, snacks, the music operator, tips for girls, *everything*.

For a smallish room, a 1000RMB payment should cover the room, a bottle (full bottle!) of Chivas, or brother Jack, or whatever whiskey you prefer, with your prefered chaser (they like tea, you might like coke or 7Up instead) and snacks (fruit plate). The girls usually come at 200-300 per girl to be in the room with you. Smallish at that price range should sit 3-4 guys with their girls.

If you want to take a girl out, that should be made clear in the initial negotiations, and you should get a three tier pricing structure: sit/ST/LT pricing. So you may hear of KTVs doing 200/600/1200 for example. Others can suggest a great value for this structure, I don't usually take out from KTVs. It is harder for a Laowai to find a KTV girl that really, truly is interested in going back to the hotel. I prefer girls who show a bit of motivation, and they usually aren't in the KTVs for us non-Chinese guys.

You get a "grace period" with your girl. If in the first 10 minutes she doesn't warm up to you, or you don't otherwise click, call the mamasan and ask for another girl. This is totally accepted, though the girl may pout a bit. Mamasan may either bring a full lineup, or may bring girls by one by one for your choosing at that point.

Speaking of line up, at the beginning, after the negotiations, and after you've made clear your preferences, the mamasan should bring a selection of girls. Any decent KTV is going to have a LOT of girls, so if the first 10 don't do it for you, ask for another selection. I almost never go with the first set, just so I can see the parade of girls. You may see 30-40 girls at this time, if you don't find your dream girl in the first set. It is pretty amazing how many girls are in the big KTVs.

Have fun!

GM

[Katho]

will stay in shaghai for one day next month. would be great to get the phone number of the escort service ! do they speek english and how long did she stay ?

bye, katho




called an escort agency to my room the other night and negotiated to 600 all in and the girl was short but had big tits. enough to get me off. the crazy thing is she wanted to do bbfs. that was just a scary thought.

[Xtrafire]

After serveral times being there I have had my first negative experience there:

Everything as usual until line-up. Then choosen number 39. She is 26 years old, nice be+ cup, not a beautiful face but nice smile. The last one is why I have choosen her. Height maybe 165, slim body.

Then the mess started:

In the room after undressing the first "Oh, you are so big" (Not completely in english, but with this meaning). Ok, that happens, ignore it, lets go on.

Washing in the wet-room: She mixes teeth-paste (is that the right word? ) with soap to wash my genitals. Was the first time for me, quite strange feeling. Gave me the impression that she wants to finish me quick, if possible without penetration. But I wanted to enjoy and take my time.

First kisses: My gosh! Smells of old mod air. :.(Up-turner. Was thinking about asking her to use the teeth-past on her own. ;.)

Up on the wet bed and body to body massage as usual there. Then the first BJ. It was not really a BJ, a lot of tongue licking around (ok, quite good), the maximum was the top in her mouth, all the rest was HJ. She was very resistant against involvement or guidance of me. Only focused on her routine. Ah, I hate that. In between there was some time also for me to be a little bit more active with my tongue and fingers. Seemed she liked it. But was difficult to say as she was always mourning and giving "Oh"s and "Ah"s in an "artificial" sound.

Now I was at the point to finish it quickly. She proposed MISH. Was ok for me. Except. You know it, it came as it has to come: OIL.

Not that I have something against the girls using oil. In that job maybe sometimes necessary but she now used a whole raffinery. Never had something like that before! After covering me, she prepared herself and asked me to "come in".

I like to do it on the wet bed as it makes me crazy to feel the naked skin with oilish soap rubbing over you, everywhere you touch the girl its very slippery. Hot feeling. But now, with all this oil in her, and me in her. Have I really been "in"? There was nothing to feel. It was a damn! No chance for me to finish! :.(

So she offered me HJ or BJ. I declined as both had not been very good before and for this I don't need to go to JYHS and pay that much money.

So I washed myself the oily cream from my body, left the wet cabin, dried and wanted to leave. "Massagie? " "Argggghhh! No, thank you, thats enough! "

I have left, had to pay the full price (was not in the mood for negotiations or an other girl).

Maybe we both did not fit very well together, maybe it was because of the late time (I arrived short after midnight), maybe, maybe, .

I have to add that I just came home and have written this report in a negative mood, so I want to add that she was really trying. But I did not work out. That was not my (her, our) day!

So I will go to bed now, unfinished, frustrated and waiting for a better tomorrow!

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[Pedro848]

I hate to say it, but the one thing that has worked with any degree of success is to give them some money.I always carry some sugar candy sweets in my pocket when I know I am going on Hengshan Lu. Sometimes the kids eat them, sometimes they throw them away. Mostly, once they get something they move on.

I cannot be doing with the "shoot them" emotion, we are not saints!

Pedro

[Sebastian My]

On a side note, she was extreemly particular about the money. She rejected 3 100Y notes. One becase it had a tiny piece missing from the side. Another because of a very small tear. And yet another because it was too "new". And she rearranged the money three times. First carfully lining them up and folding them. And reversing the procedure two more times before she left. Weird.

Following is a pic of her.

There is a lot of counterfeit RM100 and RM50 out their right now. It seems to be getting worst. I actually got a fake RM100 bill from a BOC ATM in DongGuang last November and up in Beijing i always am very careful of any RM50's i get back in change – as i have been caught twice. Caveat on ATM – I have never had any issues in Beijing with ATM's and in DongGuang with HSBC or ICBC ATM's – so i suspect getting fake notes from an ATM is very rare – but it does show how much fake cash is flowing around. I even had the “Money too new” line given to me in Beijing – but it was my long time Russian provider so she trusted me – but she still checked it anyway in case she thought i had been ripped off. I always keep some Euro's in reserve in case i have problems with “I don't trust your money” line.

For those interested, make sure the notes are not smooth and you can see the watermark. Fake cash is normally reasonably new, is very smooth and has no water mark. Once you take notice its easy to identify fake notes.

[Sebastian My]

Anyway, amazingly enough, I had another confrontation today.

But out here, they won't hesitate. My hunch is that when a foreigner out here is threatend, he truly FEELS threatend, and will submit. I don't think it is easy in Shanghai to hire a couple of thugs to go get revenge on a bar, so they don't have much to lose. And everybody loses if the police get involved, so not a big risk either. I just don't think they would be doing it all the time if it didn't work.

To make a long story short, the bill this afternoon should have clearly been 75Y, but I received a bill of 500 and something. But the guy grabs my arm and pushes me against the couch, with the implied threat that he will twist it if I don't pay.


When you meet a girl who asks you to buy a coffee or tea, its almost always a rip off. The girl takes you to a place which rips you off and she gets a cut of it. This wonderful scam started in Beijing, when it mutated from the art student scam about 5-6 years ago. Note : It seems to have now muted into the "I am hungry" scam, which i have come across in Beijing and Shenzhen lately. My advise here is you should always chose the cafe or bar and its best if its a hotel cafe otherwise the girl will speak in pudongwa or if you speak mandarin, in shanghais, to set up the scam.
Its very unusual for the Chinese to physically threaten a laowai without a lot of buddies to support him, even in this case they will hesitate because they think all us laowai's (western Anglos especially) are crazy. They also know the police take a dim view of harassing the laowai's – in most case. This is the case even in Shenzhen – which is often claimed as the most dangerous city in China. So i suspect you have come across an exceptional situation. On the other hand, late at night in a dim alley, you never know what may occur. Note : Its very common for laowai Chinese to be threatened in Beijing and Shenzhen – especially if you are from HK or Singapore – during one of the endless scams set up specially for these poor chaps.

I am assumming the above comments may be relivant to shanghai. Personally i have never seen any violence in Shanghai. (Apart from an occassional cheated bar girl going after a customer).

[Bonzo1]

Enjoy reading your posts. Impressed that you keep such a positive perspective when you've not really been getting what you came here for, and even ripped off. That sucks dude, but at least you didn't get hurt.

Sounds like Bourbon Street produced for you, as expected. Good deal. She stayed the night, right? In my prior post I mentioned LT for 800, and that should include multiple pops, though sometimes girls will try to get greedy and run after the first one. Best to negotiate all that up front.

BTW, again, that "or something wrong with you" was not an implication. Was just clarifying that those places are sure things and seemed like perhaps the places you might be seeking after (though I should have mentioned not to give any girls money in Bourbon street for drinks as that is kind of a scam too, albeit a cheap one).

Happy trails.

-B-

[LoveAsianWhores]

I am assumming the above comments may be relivant to shanghai. Personally i have never seen any violence in Shanghai. (Apart from an occassional cheated bar girl going after a customer).Just to clarify, it wasn't like this guy just started to threaten me all of a sudden. I don't remember a play by play of the events, but I have a philosphy that I apply in all confronations (unless I really feel that I might get stabbed or something, which I was quite sure was not the case here). Any threat, implied or otherwise, will always be met with a greater threat on my behalf. Any violence, even just touching my body with the implication that I should not attempt to leave, will be met with greater violence on my part. (I get really pissed if someone touches me. What is it with these chinese. Nobody ever touches me in Manila). So once the guy touched me, it wasn't long before we were wrestling all over the room. There was one other guy in the room, but he apparently declined to get involved. He probably figured "this isn't my fight, so why get involved with this crazy foreigner."

I'll post some more on this subject once I have some time to write my final thoughts on Shanghai before leaving tomorrow.

[Guyveriv]

First time in Shanghai but thanks to this site I was able to make out reasonably well. Walked in early and got the 650 deal. I really needed the shower and the massage was most welcome. (Not too bad really.) The girl was lovely #15 and had a friendly manner. Would have prefered a shaved girl but was more than happy to DATY. Assortment of postions and langorous clean up. Recommended for those who just want things taken care of with no fuss. Maybe I could have got a better rate elsewhere but I wasn't going to worry about it.

On a side note. Anyone having trouble getting AmEx Travelers Checks cashed. I had to wait for almost two hours to get mine cashed and exchanged at the Bank of China. Worst part is I only exchanged what I had on me. I have to do this at least once more.

[M02040608]

So last night I wanted to check out the bars on Julu Lu. I first decided to Have a Mojito in Cubano, which was perfect and I had two. The food was just OK. I live within walking distance to Cafa Havanah in Manila, so I am used to very good Cuban food. The problem was that the two Mojitos, mixed with the joint I just smoked, got me pretty wasted. I ended up spending $150 in some Julu Lu bar hoping to take home the a cute bartender, which wasn't happening. I found the bars on this street quite dead, which appeared to only exist to separate me from my money. By the time it was over, it was 3: 00, and I had way too much Yaegermeister, so I went home alone. I am a little to experienced at this to let this happen, but I'm in a different country and I got a little carried away. Even in Manila, I sometimes go home alone, so I survived. Tomorrow is a new day.

Woke up horny as hell and decided to try a couple of places I read about on the board. First was Joy massage, which supposedly is a massage parlor that offers take out. Only two very average girls available when I got there about 2: 00 in the afternoon, so it was off to the next place, the BBS on Wuzhong Road. I had come across several BBS in the last couple of days, but I had yet to see a cute girl in any of them. This street was different. About 20 BBS on both sides of the road, so you can get a huge selection in about a 10 minute walk. Lots of really cute girls in these shops, all dressed in gowns, mostly white, which made them look very sexy. Reminded me a little of Svay Pak in Cambodia, except this place was a regular street instead of a dirty brothel village. The problem, as a poster had already pointed out, is that these places appear to offer only hand jobs. I went into one place that had some REALLY cute girls. I picked a cute little thing that was about 19 or 20. Tried to see if I could get her to come back to my hotel, but was informed that it was not allowed. Once in the back room, she made it clear that only a hand job was available for 100Y. Usually not interested in handjobs, but she was so cute in that dress that I said sure. And I must say that it was one of the best HJ's that I can ever remember getting. A very sweet girl that I would have just loved to fuck, but I just enjoyed sticking my hand up her dress while she got me off. All in all, a great place to go if you are looking for a HJ from a very cute girl.

So it is just after 9: 00 on Wednesday and I understand that this is the time to go to Zapatas (ladies night). Lets see how it goes.

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Now where would you get a joint to smoke in Shanghai. The China experience would be a whole different thing if there were a joint with Mongering. Could you point it out please. PM me if it is confidential somehow.
Thanks

[LoveAsianWhores]

Now where would you get a joint to smoke in Shanghai. The China experience would be a whole different thing if there were a joint with Mongering. Could you point it out please. PM me if it is confidential somehow.
ThanksMongering without a joint is not mongering at all. I bring the stuff with me. I know, dangerous as hell, but if you haven't figured out the danger is half the thrill (at least for me), you haven't been reading my posts.

[LoveAsianWhores]

Today was my last day. Between work and shopping, no time for mongering. But I still managed to get a burned chinese style. Twice.

First, I had three fake chinese bills in my wallet. When the girl was playing with the money yesterday, she was switching them with fakes. So when she told me that she didn't like one becuase it had a tear, the other because of a small hole and other because it was to new, it was bullshit. I just thought she had a wierd money thing. And I saw her playing (switching) the money right before my eyes. Looking back, I feel real stupid to have falled for it. Fortunately, I was doing a lot of gift shopping today in the old city. Most stands don't use currancy checkers, and they don't expect a tourist to be passing fakes. But is was still very difficult. I had to keep looking surprised every time I was turned down. But I managed to get rid of two, so the one I as stuck with is no big deal.

But the biggest scammer in China is Best Buy. Yes, the same Best Buy I am sure you are familer with if you are American. I needed to buy a good air cleaner because the air in Manila is very bad, and I couldn't find a good european or US model in Manila. So I figured that Best Buy, being a US company, would be my best bet. So I look at the models, and the most expensive model is an electrolux unit for 6, 500 Y. Several hundred US$ more then all the others, but I was told by the salesman (who appeared very knowledgeable) how it was so much better then all the other models. I was familer with some of the other models, which were priced at competitve prices. He gave me what appeared to very good reasons for why it was so expensive. Well, Best Buy wouldn't rip me off, and I wanted to buy the best, so OK. So I get back to my hotel and look it up online and it is a $300 model. I checked and double checked, and it really is. Those hustlers on Nanjing are nothing compared to Best Buy. And I am fucked, because I have an 11: 00 am flight tomorrow so I can't return it. Those mother fuckers. I hate to keep comparing this place to Manila as I must sound like a broken record, but here goes. I buy electronic stuff from Manila and have never been ripped off. I come to China, which is the factory of the world. I go to one of largest electronics retailers in the world, and I get ripped off. This must be a message. Maybe China is not for me. I gave it my best shot, but was ripped off at every turn. This is one tough place. Beautiful from the outside, but filthy inside. Manila is the opposite. A filthy, polluted, overcrowd place, but you soon learn that it is filled with generally good, honest people. Beautiful on the inside.

And a couple of more thoughts. Chinese people seem really rude to me. Not just the hustlers, but from the staff in the hotel, from the merchants, to the people on the sidewalk. Lots of exceptions, but generally they are not very polite. They are not even as polite as Americans, and when compared to Thais or Filipinos, well, they just don't compare very well.

Sorry to come to your town and be so negative, but thats how I see it. And the whoring is quite sub par. With all the millions of people in China, they still have to import many of their working girls from the Philippines. And they tend to get the older, uglier ones that charge tripple the rate back home. Looks like Japan gets the best, China gets the worst, and the rest stay home.

But no complaints. I am very fortunate in that the only things I need for my business is an internet connection and a post office, so I can work from just about any place in the world. While I am sure many of you truly like it here (and compared to the US, I guess it isn't so bad), I am sure many of you are here because of work, and have no choice. I could have moved anywhere, and I chose Manila, and I think I chose well. I can't wait to get back.

So, when I look back at this place, what will I remember 20 years from now. In Bangkok, it was this girl who was so great that I fucked her all night long, almost non stop. In Jakarta, it was a girl who was so incredibly beautiful, that I had a hard time getting it up because her beauty intimidated me. In Cambodia, it was a girl that I can't even talk about on this board. And in Shanghai, it isn't even a girl. It's the look in that guys eyes as I dug my nails deep into his skin. He was too proud to let go of my hand, too scared to twist it. And as I dug with all of my might, and his eyes squinted from the pain, I did kind of feel bad (maybe it's karma and I am being punished, I just thought of that) but he had it coming. Maybe next time a foreigner in a bright red circa 1980's nautica jacket comes into his bar, he won't assume he's an American that he can push around. He might be a filipino. And if he ever does that to a filipino in the Philippines, the filipino won't use his nails. He'll use a knife.

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[Gualtier Malde]

Good travels LAW! Sorry you didn't end up with a woman as a central memory of your China experience.

I can't really argue with you on many fronts. I agree that there is a substantial difference in attitude between the Chinese and other Asians. And to top that, Shanghai probably contains the most arrogant of the Chinese.

I find the pros in China to be especially hard, as compared to other Asian pros. That said, I find them softer than most western pros, which says something for them... :-)

On the other hand, I am finding that the freebies in China are quite different. There is no one way to describe the freebies. I have encountered everything from incredibly innocent to downright eyes-wide-open horn dogs.

Here is an example: I recently met a girl at Manhattan on Tong Ren Lu. She was there with her girlfriend having fun. She was definitely NOT a working girl. In fact, she was the other sort of pro - she is a medical doctor. Single, drop dead gorgeous, and out having fun.

We met, exchanged numbers, and later arranged to meet for dinner. She brought her friend, so I invited a buddy so that we could double date.

All evening we danced and partied. However, she would not let me kiss her when I tried - she pulled away, saying "not on the first date".

Fine I thought - an innocent, will take a little work. However, within 15 minutes of that she leaned in to me and whispered "I REALLY like sex, especially oral sex...." followed by "Do you like oral sex? Giving or receiving?" and then "I really like to cum..."

I was pretty stunned. Then thinking a kiss would be ok, since, well, from my point of view the ice was broken, I leaned in, and... "Not on the first date!"

She then said, "Kiss on the second date, and sex on the third date - if we fall in love...". She then said, "I really like pain. I like to be bitten."

I mean, this one was all over the map, and driving me absolutely batty!

What happened next? um, nothing...

:-)

This was just one of them. I've had several others, each with their own quirky, but very sexy tales - (the others did become intimate - this one is new, still looking for that second date so we can kiss... :-) ).

In sum, I've found the freebies to be a very fascinating experience, much different from the "paybies", and probably what makes China, in the end, an interesting place to be.

Stay in touch!

GM

[Garmin]

Dear ISG members,

Yes I am new to this forum and I will be in Shanghai from 19th March for the first time and I had to know what could be interesting to be done in the city. I spent nights RTFF, as most senior reporter advised it.

Yes, I had a lot of pleasure reading major contributors like LAW, Gualtier Made, DragonD, Eaglestar, and so many others. And I thank you for the quality of your posts.

Then I realised that I had to organize a detailed planning not to miss any of these fantastic places and for sure try the red rope, the ice&fire.

But now the problem is how to manage this fantastic flow of information?

I tried the hit parade of all the things I wanted to do this week :-) (I have some vitamine C)

1. Shanghai Sauna
2. Zapatas (Wednesdays’ ladies night)
3. Malones
4. Manhattan
5. Some KTVs
6. Some BBS
7. Bringing back some girls at the hotel (I like fucking before going to sleep (as many of us:-).

Then I thought hiring a freeiva or viplily “translator” ;-) or asking some help from DragonD or cohunting with isg experts?

As you know the choice is huge, but the missing information is how to find the best path among all these temptations.

So here is the point:

can you help me correcting my hit parade by helping me scheduling my week :best hours and best days to visit these places? Any correction or advise is for sure welcome.

I will be there from a Monday till a sunday ;-) with one of my colleagues who is also very cool (and has his room next to mine);-)

Hope to read from U very soon and I promise U will read from my detailed daily report.

KR

Garmin (because I have to find my way)

[OldAsiaHand]

LAW,

I am also sorry that Shanghai did not meet your expectations. However, you cannot judge the whole country based on Shanghai. The mongering in South China is as good as it gets anywhere in Asia if you know the scene. Total GFE with 18-20 yo girls is commonplace. You do encounter some bad service, but this can happen anywhere. And, I've had good luck in Shanghai, albeit mostly with the help of local ISG members.

People try to rip you off everywhere if you give them the opportunity. Manila is no exception if you are unaware and not vigilant.

I reckon that the Electrolux was imported. The import duties are probably very high. Even if it is made in China, duty may have to be paid if the factory is for 100% export and received investment incentives in the beginning.

I reckon you should give another place a try before you write off China forever.

Just my POV.

OAH

[Wilde]

In sum, I've found the freebies to be a very fascinating experience, much different from the "paybies", and probably what makes China, in the end, an interesting place to be.

GM

GM,

I have also noticed that freebies of different age groups, income levels or social status act/react totally differently and therefore could be hard to anticipate their moves. What makes one tick could be a total turn-off for another. This is especially true in Shanghai where such difference exist, and not every freebie is simply looking for a green card.

W

[Wilde]

Well, I must say I truly enjoyed your journal from Shanghai. Reading your report allowed me to see Shanghai through your eyes and it added a new dimension to the city we are all fond of.

Regarding your comment about the people in Shanghai being not very polite, I probably understand what you mean better than most people here. I think the word to describe average Shanghai people is that they are indifferent to each other, especially outsiders. It is very similar to New Yorkers having a bad reputation of being rude or Parisians of being snobbish. It comes with the territory of being the biggest metropolis of the country, with the largest number of rich people in the city than anywhere else in the country. It was very different 25 years ago when every foreigner who visit Shanghai were treated like a member of the royal family and they all thought Chinese were the friendliest people on earth. Nowadays, nobody really gives a shit where you come from. If you bargain as hard as the locals, you will be treated the same as the locals.

As for your KTV experience, although I would personally prefer not to get into similar situation in the first place, I think your assessment of the situation is correct, it being in a 4-star hotel in Shanghai etc. The 2500RMB you were quoted was certainly a scam, maybe an institutionalized one, but the moment you walked into a place like that and settled down, it could never have been as low as the 600RMB you had in mind. The result is that you tought them a lesson that not every foreigner would submit to the scam, but you did not benefit from teaching that lesson. And to anyone reading this, don't try to emulate LAW outside of Shanghai or even in the suburbs of Shanghai. The result is not guaranteed and under unknown circumstances, the risk is tremendous. Simply not worth it.

Regarding your fight with the guy in the bar, bravo! Do you remember which bar it was or whereabout it is located on Nan Jing Road? But the same warning applies, see above.

Last, on your comment on China being a country with millions of poverty stricken women but they don't appear to choose a life of prostitution en masse, let's just say you have only visited the most law-abiding city of China.

Happy landings.

[Gualtier Malde]

Dear ISG members,

Yes I am new to this forum and I will be in Shanghai from 19th March for the first time and I had to know what could be interesting to be done in the city. I spent nights RTFF, as most senior reporter advised it.

Yes, I had a lot of pleasure reading major contributors like LAW, Gualtier Made, DragonD, Eaglestar, and so many others. And I thank you for the quality of your posts.

Then I realised that I had to organize a detailed planning not to miss any of these fantastic places and for sure try the red rope, the ice&fire.

But now the problem is how to manage this fantastic flow of information?

I tried the hit parade of all the things I wanted to do this week :-) (I have some vitamine C)

1. Shanghai Sauna
2. Zapatas (Wednesdays’ ladies night)
3. Malones
4. Manhattan
5. Some KTVs
6. Some BBS
7. Bringing back some girls at the hotel (I like fucking before going to sleep (as many of us:-).

Then I thought hiring a freeiva or viplily “translator” ;-) or asking some help from DragonD or cohunting with isg experts?

As you know the choice is huge, but the missing information is how to find the best path among all these temptations.

So here is the point:

can you help me correcting my hit parade by helping me scheduling my week :best hours and best days to visit these places? Any correction or advise is for sure welcome.

I will be there from a Monday till a sunday ;-) with one of my colleagues who is also very cool (and has his room next to mine);-)

Hope to read from U very soon and I promise U will read from my detailed daily report.

KR

Garmin (because I have to find my way)Suggestion: If you do not have a monger-friendly Chinese speaker with you, I would not recommend spending much time in pursuit of KTVs, or for that matter, BBSs. Both venues do work best with Chinese speakers. Also, if you are not Chinese, some BBSs will refuse service to you. Don't bother to fight that.

For a first time visitor, you might try the ZY Pub (oops, shouldn't be mentioning that place on the board!!! ;-) ). Search the board carefully, you'll dig up the location. (Hint - it is in the Jing An district, a few blocks from the Shanghai Hotel.)

If you do hook up with a local Chinese speaker, indeed, hit a KTV. It is a wonderful experience. Get someone who has a good, kinky KTV to recommend.

Have fun! You are likely to get more than enough pussy for a week at Manhattan alone! :-)

GM

[Thorpes]

I recently found this forum and its really resourceful. I just moved to the Lian Hua Lu neighbourhood of Shanghai. You guys have any recommendations for this area? When searching the forum I just found some quite outdated reports.

Thanks for any answers.

[Thorpes]

Hi guys

I just moved to Shanghai's Lian Hua Lu neighborhood. When searching the forum I just found some outdated reports. Do you guys have any updates or suggestions about the area?

[Garmin]

Dear GM,

Thanks for your valuable input:

Ok so I need first to find a Chinese speaking friend for hunting in KTV and BBS,

If I am correct I have 3 possibilities for this:

1) Look on ISG for other people (DragonD where are U?)
2) Freeiva or viplily
3) Meet someone from day one in TPTCBNH (the place that cannot be named here:-) near the pizza hut (GM: this one?)

And try Manhattan. BTW Which are the best days for this place?

So now I think that

Day one will be for TPTCNBNH to start and then Manh to bring back girl(s).
Correct?

Dear ISG friends, 5 more nights to organize...

By the way, I booked in le Royal Meridien which appears to be girl friendly according to this forum.

Nothing to be picked up on the spot?

Looking forward to read from you

Garmin

PS: I think this forum is worth the money that Jackson is asking, so I contributed :-)

[OldAsiaHand]

I reckon you can manage BBS without a word of English. I don't think Garmin should miss Happy Town; especially the 100RMB BBBJ joint, and "The Village". These places are part of the Shanghai mongering landscape and definitely worth a visit. Having said that, he could PM one of the Shanghai gang and ask if they would accompany him. IMHO, It is obvious that he has done his homework on the board and deserves a warm welcome in Shanghai. If I were there, I would do it.

Just my POV.

OAH


Suggestion: If you do not have a monger-friendly Chinese speaker with you, I would not recommend spending much time in pursuit of KTVs, or for that matter, BBSs. Both venues do work best with Chinese speakers. Also, if you are not Chinese, some BBSs will refuse service to you. Don't bother to fight that.

For a first time visitor, you might try the ZY Pub (oops, shouldn't be mentioning that place on the board!!! ;-) ). Search the board carefully, you'll dig up the location. (Hint - it is in the Jing An district, a few blocks from the Shanghai Hotel.)

If you do hook up with a local Chinese speaker, indeed, hit a KTV. It is a wonderful experience. Get someone who has a good, kinky KTV to recommend.

Have fun! You are likely to get more than enough pussy for a week at Manhattan alone! :-)

GM

[Rob Hay]

LAW,

Sorry to hear your bad experience....especially since your expectation were so high. Shanghai reminds me of a more advanced version of Havana without all the charm. It takes a hustler mentality to make it in China or any other communist country...dont take it personally. But despite all the technological and business advancements your still dealing with 3rd world type mentality. You definately have to think on your toes around Shanghai. They have a very different attitude towards everything and its usually bad for us. But they do hold playboys in high regard around here and its a huge turn-on for girls to be with a player so that must be good for all of us.

I was pretty negative about the prospects of being in Asia prior to coming but these women have really grown on me and I am pleasantly surprised at how passionate these girls can be in bed. But like everything else in life your mileage may vary.

[AsianLover]

Having done some research and looking for something different duirng my visit to Shanghai, I posted some ads for a translator/companion for the weekend. I got several hits. The most interesting is a girl, age 22, and pretty cute - assuming her pic is real, that wants US $150 for the part of Sat & all day Sunday including staying at my hotel. She speaks english (I speak no chinese).

I have mixed thoughts on this. It could be fun for a long stay, but then I would miss the fun and variety associated with mongering. I was planning to try a BBS & Malones & maybe a sauna etc.

Any thoughts?

[Garmin]

Hi GM,

Thanks for your valuable input.

So in order to experience a real good KTV or BBS experience., I need a Chinese speaker.

Here are the possibilities:

1) Learn Chinese in one week (quite tough)
2) PM someone as DragonD (quite a bunch of money!)
3) Try freeiva or viplilly (Still do not know if they are worth)
4) Find someone in Manhattan and hire her for a few days
5) According to POA (thanks for your kind message), I could PM the Shanghai Gang (who is in the gang?)

What is the best answer(s)?

So now thanks to GM I have my program for Monday 19

Near the pizzahut in That Place That CanNot Be Named Here :TPTCNBNH  and then Manhattan

But is Monday a good day for Manhattan and TPTCNBNH? And what is the best hour to visit these places?

Program for Tuesday : First clue from OAH: Happy Town

Still 4,5 days to organize

By the way, I will stay in Le Royal Meridien, nothing to be done on the spot?

Garmin

[Allover]

I've only been to Shanghai once so I'm no expert. But for a short stay you seem to already know where to go. I would save the time, hassle, and money you'll have with a hired translator. Just go and experience Shanghai. It is easy to navigate on your own for the most part.

My only regret is I missed the Shanghai Sauna. But A female translator probably wouldn't help there either.

[GermanSurviver]

I read that you are rehabilitate on the ISG. Thats good and fair.

I hope you are back, adn we see us soon in Shanghai.

GS

[Blacklisted]

While I have entered semi retirement from the board, I feel there is some input here I might add:

OAH: you are my inspiration for this, a true gentleman and a scholar.

Garmin: The Shanghai gang is technically bullshit actually. We are just a bunch of wankers who occasionally monger together. Some are into BBS, but most are into saunas and yes, the place that shall not be named. Search for Gang on this thread, you're sure to discover the members, although my time is so constrained nowadays, unfortunately I cannot at this time, assist.

Thorpes: do a search for Happy Town. Lianhua lu station is in the vicinity for some serious BBS mongering, some of the best in Shanghai. You are out of the city, but that just means it's cheaper. But be careful, some of those joints are owned by the L.E. Tread warily and always be polite.

Love Asian *****s: Shanghai, and indeed, much of China, is not an easy place to monger. Some may believe it is, but compared to Thailand, it is way more difficult to have fun. It takes either a lot of friends with knowledge, or a solid understanding of Mandarin, or time. Without any of these, you are pretty much gonna crap out, and that's just in the P4P scene, the freebie circuit is a whole other ball game, with which you can times the aforementioned by at least 4 or 5 in difficulty.

-BL

[Alum Man]

Hello to all the mongers in Shanghai! I would like to know if this site can be access in China? I will be going over there this June and thinking of checking out those sauna or KTV and looking for an engineering job as well. Well for those who need help in english and chinese translator do pm me after 2nd of June.

Cheers,

Sean

[Travelers25]

GM,

I usually feel that way -- while with friends, I've seen the same woman come up to us, get turned away, then swap kids with someone else not half a block away and come back to us and try it again.

But, in the same place on the same night, an older woman in her 60s or 70s was with a young, maybe 7 year old albino boy. She was reaching out her hand, not very aggressive. I had just bought a bunch of yang rou chuanr and offered her two. The boy came up slowly and took it, they seemed really happy, and walked away. I expected them to turn it down when I called their bluff. I spotted them behind a tree, he was eating one slowly, and the woman was carefully wrapping the other one up to save. I felt really bad and went back and bought them a half dozen. The old lady was almost crying and they left the area.

So, I guess there is no hard and fast rule.


LAW,

Sorry for the delay in figuring out what situation you were confronted with... In my first response, I thought you were dealing with a money exchanger (black market foreign exchange) which I have never encountered at Zapatas and hence called "weird". (By the way, a black market foreign money echanger will always be a ripoff... avoid.)

What you encountered I presume is a beggar, most likely hanging around the cabbies. This is common. These guys are persistent. They also have no respect for your personal space. It seems they'll climb in the cab with you.

There is not much you can do except ignore them. I don't think I would get too aggressive with them. You never know when one is going to produce a knife or otherwise respond violently. These guys are too crusty to respond to anything verbal, either in English or Chinese. Just try to ignore them and move along.

The other irritant are the little kids begging for money. These kids are run by gangs. They are either orphans or kidnapped kids working for the gang, being run by their "mommy", who is almost certainly not related to the kid. This is almost the most foul, disgusting practice I've seen in China. The only thing worse is one of these women directly begging, holding an unconscious baby.

The way to get rid of the begging kid is very simple. Immediately cross the street, wherever you happen to be standing. You don't actually have to cross, just move to the curb, act like you are about to step out into the street. Apparently, these kids are trained not to leave the sidewalk. They will usually walk away at that point. Frequently you can immedately continue down the block in the direction you originally traveled without actually crossing.

I have no solution for the women with the unconscious babies. Those babies usually aren't just sleeping - they are either drugged or have been knocked unconscious. Women have been seen banging the babies heads on the concrete to knock them out.

Personally, I believe those women (or the gang members who drive them) are perfect candidates for a chinese execution. I wouldn't even give them the option of opening their mouths to keep their heads from exploding when shot.

The best you can do is walk away from them rapidly. They are carrying a baby, so they don't move fast.

I'd love for a chinese speaker to teach me the best way to say to those women "You are the lowest form of human garbage, and I hope you are shot before dawn..."

GM

[Dragon D]

Well been crazy busy with monger tours the last couple of months so no time to post. Finally got back to the site and been reading up. Have to say that a lot happened in a short time. Looks like the gang is going into semi-retirement. I am still around though and people can still contact me for advice if you need it.

Good report from Law and I think that you went out and found some trouble but you did well. Stick to your guns and usually they will back down. Too many of us get scared and intimidated by the thugs coming in and shouting. Beating on a Lao Wai is pretty serious and I have yet to hear of anyone getting beaten. The best thing is to follow the golden rule told by many seasoned mongers don't follow touts. As for you not having all that much fun and getting screwed well it happens but you learn over time and grow wise to the scams.

As for the translator girls staying with people, it works and you can enjoy yourself but most tend to overpay and get no variety.

This is the country with more pu**y than anyone man can ever dream of and the with info on the board you should be able to get around town alright.

Word of warning, if you are a seasoned pro then the info on the board will be more than you need to have fun. If you are a newbie to our hobby contact some senior memebers for advice and don't be afraid to ask questions. I still say that the only dumb questions are the ones that aren't asked. RTFF is the answer usually to those that are too lazy to spend the few hours to read up on whats going on.

[World Guy Sh]

Hi, team first posting here. Trying to update some info but also some questions.

I've been to the Shanghai Hotel twice over the past week my first venture out since coming to Shanghai. Two different experiences but I have to say it is surprisingly smart and relaxed and very clean in all respects and the girl's attention to hygiene is almost obsessive! And all the showering. I haven't been so clean in years LOL! It definitely was great place for my first visits!

First time I played the game the scrub and a pedicure (! ) in the lounge. I think I had 'newbie' written all over me. Anyway, it was all very pleasant so much so, I wasn't sure I was in the right place! Finally after a bit of too and fro as was asked if I would like a 'massage amour'. OK, and I was taken off through the warren of corridors at the back to be presented with a line up of some 20 or so girls. No real eye contact from any of them but I was pretty horny which was beginning to show to the amusement of some which relaxed (or worried) them. Anyway, chose a pretty shorter girl in the middle (Jay, age 22) as she appeared most bubbly and off we went. She was all hands and chat on the way to the room.comment about my relative size and hers, but no 'tai da le' complaint. Nice but not huge chest which she proceeded to rub all over my back and then onto a fantastic water massage thing. Wow. Never had that before all over on back and front followed by a vague (poor) attempt at AR and covered BJ. The ropes, fun kind of cool but slightly odd. I'm not convinced she was that proficient but created a great swing with them. You can guess what happened there then. I wasn't going to last that long having been looking forward to my visit all day but that was certainly all she was offering with 10 minutes or so to spare (which she told me, I wasn't counting). Total was 750RMB plus 140RMB for the two additional services.

Anyway, thought it'd warrant a second return so did a few days later. Missed out all the warm up activities and showered and headed for the main event. Fewer girls this time including the girl from the previous time who didn't look pleased to see me again. Cheers honey! Anyway, I was after someone different and feeling more relaxed took a minute or so to choose girl 20 (aged 22. Are they all 22? ! ) a tall girl with huge eyes and a lovely pert chest. She also wasn't wearing the tartan get up but a pink and blue top and skirt and obviously no underwear!

Quite how she managed it but she must have found the hottest room in the building! Like a sauna but didn't appear bothered to move to another. I was certainly very hot in more ways than one! Anyway after the usual go and get her stuff routine she came back and got undressed. She was more personable than the previous girl which was more fun a bit more relaxed. She was also nicely trim which I like. Bit of a back rub and an aborted attempt at the water thing (pity, really enjoyed that last time, not quite sure why) and then some incredible AR. I could have quite happily lain there all evening so kind of made up for the missing bits and a great BBJ with F&I. She knew what she was doing teasing me and leaving me just as. Anyway, she then went for the FS, which again left lots of time. 30 minutes this time which she filled with a full on massage, which was nice, but perhaps was a little over long and she left the door open because of the heat which meant I didn't really want to look up too much. Other occasions may have been OK, but she sort of went from no agenda everything nice and slow, to full agenda! A bit wham, bam, then massage in the end. Anyway, flat rate of 750RMB which seems to be the evening going rate.

So, OK, but not quite clicking yet. Will have a think and seek out alternatives before I return.

So a few questions for some of the experts:

Is the Shanghai Hotel a one shot place? Some on here seem to suggest not and if not, what do you do? I'm not after FS all the time! (HJ would be fine).

Who were the (attractive) girls in the green satin skirts I saw when I was in the lounge the first time and the gorgeous woman in the mid length black dress, heels and handbag? She just seemed to be hanging about!

Am I expecting too much from the SH? Just that had the second experience covered all the bits the first one did plus what she did it would have been pretty much perfect! Do people request stuff or jut go with the flow (I'm there t relax, do too much directing and asking at work! )

Anyone ever managed a 'take home' from the SH or exchanged some details and caught up at a later date? Just intrigued more than anything!

Where should I try next? A bit more of a GFE without taking them home would be cool. The Take Home bit can come later!

Cheers for all the advice on here a great resource!

WGS

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Shanghai Jack]

I always make plans to look out for new places. But with 10 minutes walking distance from the Shanghai Hotel to my place, I often end up there to grab a quick bite...

Today I went there around 7.30 pm and was surprised that there was no waiting time at all. More than 10 girls in the room with many new faces. I chose Liu Min (number 70), 25 years from Shanghai (!). Her English is barely existing but who cares. She is over 1.70 m tall, quite nice figure and somehow managed to retain some humor (she said she works there for 4 weeks now). This is always a major turn on for me, who knows why...

Her red rope skills are good, BBBJ not bad and she likes sex in all positions without complains about size (getting more and more common these days from my point of view). After the session, we shared a cigarette and chatted about the Shanghai club scene, very relaxed. We got the cigarettes from another very sexy looking girl who also said she was from Shanghai (forgot her name / number). So either they tell the old lao wai some stories or the Shanghainese are taking over Shanghai Hotel (should be with this name).

Total damage 750 as usual. And when I left around 9pm it was getting quite crowded.

Some months ago, I was a bit tired of the Shanghai hotel but I have to say they are catching up again - or I am getting too lazy?

Have fun,
SJ

[Harley Man]

I always make plans to look out for new places. But with 10 minutes walking distance from the Shanghai Hotel to my place, I often end up there to grab a quick bite.

SJHello Shanghai Jack,

Would you be able to tell which Shanghai Hotel you were in? Is it Jin Jiang or Jin An? It looks like both of the hotels are next to each other from what I understand. Thx!

[Travelers25]

Nice first post World Guy Sh,

1. The times I've been there, it has been as many as you can under the time. Sometimes the girls even take it as a challenge to help you achieve your goals. It probably helps to speak some Chinese or at least communicate in a good natured way what you're trying to do. Of course, it's up to each girl (or maybe not -- you could probably speak to the manager if you're not happy or get rushed), and it theoretically is more work for them. What you might consider is something novel that's not much work for them -- a little pearl necklace, quick HJ, etc.

2. Don't recognize the girl specifically, but likely a mamasan.

3. You can really get anything you can get away with. It's good to find one person that you get comfortable with, like, and likes you. You should actually get their number (both mobile and worker #) and call ahead to request them next time (or just ask before you get to the lineup) and they get more money. This makes them VERY grateful and you can definitely use that to your advantage.

4. Take out is possible, but only unofficially. That is why you should get her digits and work out details later. Sometimes you can manage to meet up during the day, but it will take some money to get her to give up the evening to hang with you. Girls I've asked say that they get 4-6 guys a night on weekends. Other possibility is to arrange to meet after they get off, but I've never wanted to make some poor girl go through everything after 10 hrs of putting out when they really just want to go to sleep.

For some GFE, either get to know them and then see them again, or definitely check out the pub that can't be named because you can hang out with them before and after the deed, which is pretty unusual.

T

[Jaybee75]

Hi,

What a great, and highly educational forum!

I am quite a well seasoned traveller and its time for me to head off to Shanghai (next week) to sample some of the oriental p***y I've been missing for so long.

Firstly I am booked into the Yangtze Hotel. Does anyone know of this hotel is "guest friendly" and if no any that are?

Secondly, not that I am trying to avoid payment, I would love to try and find some freebies, I just want to sample the real chinese "culture" rather than being one on the production line! I am (so I am told) relatively good looking, 30 years old, so normally I wouldnt have a problem... but its been a while since I've gone sniffing around for some spice. Can anyone here suggest some places I could go to seek out the talent? Shops, malls, bars?

Any help much appreciated and I'll be happy to report in on the action while I am there.

Cheers

[John Euro]

I post in the Thailand area and others, I have been often in China till a few years ago and when scrolling trough this area it looks like the P4P in China is a bit changed with more possibilities now.

I have to be for the first time in Shanghai within a few month. I will extend my stay for some sightseeing but now my wife will travel with me and this stage there is no chance to monger or bringing girls to the room or visit " men only "outside parlors. She likes a good massage also, only when the massage place looks clean and ok, even outside the hotel, but the risk that a girl there undresses for her to help in the shower or make a " special " proposal is big in some outside places and this will my burn my (good) reputation (this happen before). I normally check them out first but time is limited then.

I have to stay in a 5 star hotel in Shanghai, Sheraton Tai Ping or Le Royal Meridien, Have been going trough the postings here and beside the Hilton I did not find much info on the 4 or 5 star hotel spa’s, massage and possible extra’s there. Question to experienced China mongers, Is it possible to get HJ or BJ at the massages places or beauty salons inside these 5 star hotels, (my wife can still go the normal way)

I have actually the similar question for Xian but it looks that the Sheraton spa there is Ok

Any suggestions or advice are welcome

Thanks in advance,

John

[Gold Coast]

Puttputt. Was the massage place in the basement? This is where I got a freebie massage girl. Went for 2 hr massage. I asked her boss permission to take her out for dinner. Had to wait until she finished work before I could get her to my hotel. She was inexperienced but willing to learn.Not the basement place. It is across (south) from the Lidu Hotel.

Tourist trap. Mamasan loves the $$$. Caters to the unsuspecting tourist or the ones that have too much money. Friendly bunch of girls, to lure you in. Girls will act innocent because they are either not aggressive or know that is what many are looking for, but they know the drill well, your mileage will vary on what you get as there are no guarantees. Then again, you may get what you are looking for. Also watch out for the sores on the lips, many had them when I went last few times. As for the foot massage, I would recommend it and also a couple of places to the block east.

[Albert Punter]

I believe Jack refers to Shanghai Hotel which is located at 505 of Wulumuqi Bei Road.

Jin Jiang and Jing An hotels are different establishments and, most important, do not host the most famous sauna of this city.



Hello Shanghai Jack,

Would you be able to tell which Shanghai Hotel you were in? Is it Jin Jiang or Jin An? It looks like both of the hotels are next to each other from what I understand. Thx!

[Albert Punter]

Garmin,

I like your enthusiasm and how you are planning your trip here. I have to admit I used to do this first time I was supposed to visit a place, in order to be sure to get fun.

However, don't panic, alternatives here are so many that you will be able to fill your schedule entirely.
It seems to me you have made your homework and you now know all places to visit. Of course order of visits depends on your personal taste.
I agree with GM when he says that KTV could be an expensive experience if carried out by yourself (or with just another friend). Let me add, I wouldn't use agencies nor DragonD (sorry, mate) as it seems you can do by yourself.

In those four and a half days remaining, do not forget to experience Shanghai Hotel sauna with the famous red ropes service and Zapata's on wednesday ladies' night.

Now a personal suggestion.
As you may know, TPTCNBNH offers take away too.
Therefore, why you don't try to set your night elsewhere and only in case you are not successful go to TPTCNBNH to find release from your hunger (on premises or at home is up to you) ?

Anyhow, enjoy and report please.




...
So now thanks to GM I have my program for Monday 19

Near the pizzahut in That Place That CanNot Be Named Here :TPTCNBNH  and then Manhattan

But is Monday a good day for Manhattan and TPTCNBNH? And what is the best hour to visit these places?

Program for Tuesday : First clue from OAH: Happy Town

Still 4,5 days to organize
...
Garmin

[Albert Punter]

It is not a 5-star hotel but Shanghai Hotel surely hosts the best place for on-premise action.
I remember having read their sauna offer legitimate service as well, other than what you look for.
You may want to make some search on this subject, or some other member may help.




...
I have to be for the first time in Shanghai within a few month. I will extend my stay for some sightseeing but now my wife will travel with me and this stage there is no chance to monger or bringing girls to the room or visit " men only "outside parlors. She likes a good massage also, only when the massage place looks clean and ok, even outside the hotel, but the risk that a girl there undresses for her to help in the shower or make a " special " proposal is big in some outside places and this will my burn my (good) reputation (this happen before). I normally check them out first but time is limited then.
...
John

[World Guy Sh]

Nice first post World Guy Sh,

1. The times I've been there, it has been as many as you can under the time. Sometimes the girls even take it as a challenge to help you achieve your goals. It probably helps to speak some Chinese or at least communicate in a good natured way what you're trying to do. Of course, it's up to each girl (or maybe not -- you could probably speak to the manager if you're not happy or get rushed), and it theoretically is more work for them. What you might consider is something novel that's not much work for them -- a little pearl necklace, quick HJ, etc.

2. Don't recognize the girl specifically, but likely a mamasan.

3. You can really get anything you can get away with. It's good to find one person that you get comfortable with, like, and likes you. You should actually get their number (both mobile and worker #) and call ahead to request them next time (or just ask before you get to the lineup) and they get more money. This makes them VERY grateful and you can definitely use that to your advantage.

4. Take out is possible, but only unofficially. That is why you should get her digits and work out details later. Sometimes you can manage to meet up during the day, but it will take some money to get her to give up the evening to hang with you. Girls I've asked say that they get 4-6 guys a night on weekends. Other possibility is to arrange to meet after they get off, but I've never wanted to make some poor girl go through everything after 10 hrs of putting out when they really just want to go to sleep.

For some GFE, either get to know them and then see them again, or definitely check out the pub that can't be named because you can hang out with them before and after the deed, which is pretty unusual.

TT

thanks for all the feedback. Never occured to me to call ahead. Nice idea! Need to brush up my mandarin it's "yi dian" at present but try not to grunt in English in the tourist manner! I live here and must learn!

Think I'll try her again, see how it goes from there. Was thinking today she weent for 'mish' after some cowgril. May have turned down a fantastic opportunity for some DATY! Will let you all know.

Can't wait to try the PTCBN. Thik I may have pinned it down.

Best are's

WGS

[Albert Punter]

Best way to clinch with freebies is to browse into websites.
However, as you will be here next week, I believe it is too late for you to start this activity.

So you may want to try some bars like those on Tong Ren Lu, where you can find freebies besides many working girls, or Zapata's on wednesday ladies night.
Another easy venue is Starbuck at XTD.
Also, you may try some discos.
Some have been reported here already, like Park 97 or Babyface or even Rojam (where I have always found company for the night).

Otherwise, as you say you are good looking, just keep your eyes open and even in the middle of a street you may found a girl staring at you. Just smile at her and ....
Well I am sure you know how to proceed after.

Enjoy




...
Secondly, not that I am trying to avoid payment, I would love to try and find some freebies, I just want to sample the real chinese "culture" rather than being one on the production line! I am (so I am told) relatively good looking, 30 years old, so normally I wouldnt have a problem... but its been a while since I've gone sniffing around for some spice. Can anyone here suggest some places I could go to seek out the talent? Shops, malls, bars?
...

[Shanghai Jack]

I believe Jack refers to Shanghai Hotel which is located at 505 of Wulumuqi Bei Road.

Jin Jiang and Jing An hotels are different establishments and, most important, do not host the most famous sauna of this city.
Of course it is our very own Shanghai Hotel on Wulumuqi 505.
I once called there to make a reservation and took down the wrong number. I called this guy three times trying to reserve a room and he shouted at me like crazy. One of my Chinese friends called and found out that this was actually the number of a Restaurant and the guy shouted at me "You can't reserve a room, only a table!'. Ah, I love Shanghai...
Have fun,
SJ

[Harley Man]

I believe Jack refers to Shanghai Hotel which is located at 505 of Wulumuqi Bei Road.

Jin Jiang and Jing An hotels are different establishments and, most important, do not host the most famous sauna of this city.Can this hotel be booked via online e.g. expedia.com? What is the official English name? Is it Shanghai hotel?

I am planning my travel to Shanghai. "Shanghai Hotel" seems good for a try. I want to make sure I will get into a right "Shanghai Hotel". Thanks to all for your information!

[Harley Man]

Of course it is our very own Shanghai Hotel on Wulumuqi 505.
I once called there to make a reservation and took down the wrong number. ISJHa ha, interesting story! do you happen to know the right number for reservation?

[Garmin]

Hi AP,

Thank you for info.

So now I have my wednesday at Zapatas ladies night and thursday at TPTCNBNH.

Hopefully I will have 14 hours flight on the way back to write down all the reports !

Yes AP u'r right, planning is something that just helps remind us what has got to be done! I have also to work a little bit and manage the planning accordingly ;-)

I am sure that once this plan is completed thanks to all your informations, we can test and propose it as a 5 star fun tour of Shanghai and just have to amend it from time to time.

By the way could someone tell me the opening hours of the various places that I mentionned in my plan?

And another unanswered question (like John Euro too) Royal Meridien: is there anything to be done in le Royal Meridien?

CU

Garmin

Fun Tour Summary:

Monday: TPTCNBNH, then Manhattan
Tuesday: Happy Town, Malones
Wednesday Shanghai Hotel, Zapatas
Thursday:TPTCNBNH (home delivery serviceà
Friday:?
Satyrday:?
Sunday:?

[Cocoon]

broken through the great firewall of china again, courtesy of http-tunnel.com this time. the free service is pretty slow, but it gets me through to isg and the bbc.

with relakks.com, i don't have to run any software, just configure an internet connection. with http-tunnel.com, you have to run a client software, which makes me nervous. oh well, re-install xp when i get home.

the five days free trial with relakks.com had no speed limits. the only time i need a proxy server is when i'm in china, which is working out to be once a year, so it's not worth a subscription.

went to the bbs on yuyuan lu, west of jiangsu lu station. a previous report spelt it as yuyao lu, which is wrong. it's opposite the entrance to an alley that leads to a swimming pool, but i think the signs are in chinese. the girls were wearing pink evening dresses. tiny cubicles. a second girl wanted to join in for rmb200 each, but i settled on rmb150 each. and then a third girl (who couldn't really fit into the space) wanted in. no no no no no.

have to say there is some logic to the two girl massage: one to do the top half, one to do the bottom half. and they can take turns doing the oily hj, while the other one breast feeds me. nice bodies, pretty girls, no fs. good hj.

ji yuan (? ) aka soapland

went on a monday night at 22: 00. packed to the gills. a group of three taiwanese businessmen had to wait in the lobby, not even allowed to change to wait. the tv lounge was packed. waited about 45 minutes or more. free coke and noodles to pass the time. better looking girls than at boduo (? ), but the rooms are tired looking in comparison. mirror above the bed, so no red rope trick. same slippery routine in the wetroom, followed by the regular room. rmb750.

i miss the powered bed from boduo. how can you get a bed like that for your own bedroom, and how do you explain why to people who see it?

[Lao Ma]

It's either closed for good or closed for remodelling, believe it's the former. Doors are locked, the letters are ripped off of the front door, and there is a note in the window. Can't read chinese so I don't know what it says.

Seniors and contributing regulars can pm me for location of a pretty good bbs within 5 minute walk from there that has private rooms with doors that lock. 400 rmb full package. Been there 3 times; always 4 or 5 girls to choose from.

[GlenEagle]

Ha ha, interesting story! do you happen to know the right number for reservation?

Shanghai Hotel is the actual name of the hotel iteself. I just simply find a link that will provide you some details of this hotel, hence it is not necessary that you book through this website.
http://www.asiarooms.com/china/shanghai/shanghai.html

When you book a room through the web, make sure the address is correct :-505 Wulumuqi Bei Road or 505 Wulumuqi North Road, the key words are '505' and 'Wulumuqi'. The hotel telephone number is (86-21)6248-0088.

Enjoy Shanghai
GlenEagle

[Gualtier Malde]

Ha ha, interesting story! do you happen to know the right number for reservation?

Harley,

If you are bringing your spouse, and coming from the US, you might want to book into the Equatorial Hotel around the corner instead. It is close walking distance, and a little friendlier to westerners (and a bit more upscale). It costs more though.

I'm pretty sure that the "legitimate" massage in on the third floor, while the "mens spa" (they don't call it that...) is on the 2nd.

The Equatorial has only legitimate massage, and it is quite pricey by Shanghai standards. But it is clean and upscale, your wife will like it.

GM

[Levitian]

Oh, that's bad news. Even if I didn't go there often, I did appreciate the place very much, because it was always a "sure thing", especially for rather late hours.

Sauna on Wuzhong Lu 500: went there the other day, the often praised "sugar" girl apparently has left (her number was "570"). Had quite a lot of fun with "530", another Sichuan Spice Girl, rather petite, but a good, natural rack, a funny character and a good attitude, too.

Levitian

[Unknown One]

A long time ago when I was there I met a girl from Changning district who said she used to work as a nurse. I made a post about her and she kept hinting that if she was my girlfriend she would do this service only for me and wanted to exchange digits. So I suppose hooking up outside is possible but simply depends on the girl.

UO


Hi, team first posting here. Trying to update some info but also some questions.

I've been to the Shanghai Hotel twice over the past week my first venture out since coming to Shanghai. Two different experiences but I have to say it is surprisingly smart and relaxed and very clean in all respects and the girl's attention to hygiene is almost obsessive! And all the showering. I haven't been so clean in years LOL! It definitely was great place for my first visits!

First time I played the game the scrub and a pedicure (! ) in the lounge. I think I had 'newbie' written all over me. Anyway, it was all very pleasant so much so, I wasn't sure I was in the right place! Finally after a bit of too and fro as was asked if I would like a 'massage amour'. OK, and I was taken off through the warren of corridors at the back to be presented with a line up of some 20 or so girls. No real eye contact from any of them but I was pretty horny which was beginning to show to the amusement of some which relaxed (or worried) them. Anyway, chose a pretty shorter girl in the middle (Jay, age 22) as she appeared most bubbly and off we went. She was all hands and chat on the way to the room.comment about my relative size and hers, but no 'tai da le' complaint. Nice but not huge chest which she proceeded to rub all over my back and then onto a fantastic water massage thing. Wow. Never had that before all over on back and front followed by a vague (poor) attempt at AR and covered BJ. The ropes, fun kind of cool but slightly odd. I'm not convinced she was that proficient but created a great swing with them. You can guess what happened there then. I wasn't going to last that long having been looking forward to my visit all day but that was certainly all she was offering with 10 minutes or so to spare (which she told me, I wasn't counting). Total was 750RMB plus 140RMB for the two additional services.

Anyway, thought it'd warrant a second return so did a few days later. Missed out all the warm up activities and showered and headed for the main event. Fewer girls this time including the girl from the previous time who didn't look pleased to see me again. Cheers honey! Anyway, I was after someone different and feeling more relaxed took a minute or so to choose girl 20 (aged 22. Are they all 22? ! ) a tall girl with huge eyes and a lovely pert chest. She also wasn't wearing the tartan get up but a pink and blue top and skirt and obviously no underwear!

Quite how she managed it but she must have found the hottest room in the building! Like a sauna but didn't appear bothered to move to another. I was certainly very hot in more ways than one! Anyway after the usual go and get her stuff routine she came back and got undressed. She was more personable than the previous girl which was more fun a bit more relaxed. She was also nicely trim which I like. Bit of a back rub and an aborted attempt at the water thing (pity, really enjoyed that last time, not quite sure why) and then some incredible AR. I could have quite happily lain there all evening so kind of made up for the missing bits and a great BBJ with F&I. She knew what she was doing teasing me and leaving me just as. Anyway, she then went for the FS, which again left lots of time. 30 minutes this time which she filled with a full on massage, which was nice, but perhaps was a little over long and she left the door open because of the heat which meant I didn't really want to look up too much. Other occasions may have been OK, but she sort of went from no agenda everything nice and slow, to full agenda! A bit wham, bam, then massage in the end. Anyway, flat rate of 750RMB which seems to be the evening going rate.

So, OK, but not quite clicking yet. Will have a think and seek out alternatives before I return.

So a few questions for some of the experts:

Is the Shanghai Hotel a one shot place? Some on here seem to suggest not and if not, what do you do? I'm not after FS all the time! (HJ would be fine).

Who were the (attractive) girls in the green satin skirts I saw when I was in the lounge the first time and the gorgeous woman in the mid length black dress, heels and handbag? She just seemed to be hanging about!

Am I expecting too much from the SH? Just that had the second experience covered all the bits the first one did plus what she did it would have been pretty much perfect! Do people request stuff or jut go with the flow (I'm there t relax, do too much directing and asking at work! )

Anyone ever managed a 'take home' from the SH or exchanged some details and caught up at a later date? Just intrigued more than anything!

Where should I try next? A bit more of a GFE without taking them home would be cool. The Take Home bit can come later!

Cheers for all the advice on here a great resource!

WGS

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[Ace Gallant]

It's either closed for good or closed for remodelling, believe it's the former. Doors are locked, the letters are ripped off of the front door, and there is a note in the window. Can't read chinese so I don't know what it says.

Seniors and contributing regulars can pm me for location of a pretty good bbs within 5 minute walk from there that has private rooms with doors that lock. 400 rmb full package. Been there 3 times; always 4 or 5 girls to choose from.Due to security reasons, the doors are locked if there are too many guest in the house. The letters and signage on the door are taken out in order not to attract too much attention.

The Pub is still open. If you are there and the doors are locked, press the door bell on teh side of the door. As long as you do not did what we did before Chinese New Year (posted in the previous report) they will let you in. They are upgrading a little. But business as usual. It is still open to all.

Enjoy,

AG

[A-Todd]

there are quite a few sex-toys shops rep001tered all over shanghai including the previous mentioned ‘shanghai huaguang sex health product shop’ at shaanxi lu & julu lu. some are them are quite small mainly offering the local small blue pills and some of them has a bit wider selection. does anyone know any shop with a real good/best selection of toys, rings etc?

cheers,

todd

[Verodacason]

The famous pub is not closed but is under rennovation. In this moment is open only for VIP guest!

Very soon it will be again for everybody


Oh, that's bad news. Even if I didn't go there often, I did appreciate the place very much, because it was always a "sure thing", especially for rather late hours.

Sauna on Wuzhong Lu 500: went there the other day, the often praised "sugar" girl apparently has left (her number was "570"). Had quite a lot of fun with "530", another Sichuan Spice Girl, rather petite, but a good, natural rack, a funny character and a good attitude, too.

Levitian

[Unknown One]

Sauna on Wuzhong Lu 500: went there the other day, the often praised "sugar" girl apparently has left (her number was "570"). Had quite a lot of fun with "530", another Sichuan Spice Girl, rather petite, but a good, natural rack, a funny character and a good attitude, too.

LevitianWhat did you guys do to drive "Sugar" away? She was the best thing since sliced bread! Shanghai Jack I am holding you personally responsible =)

Anybody find out where Sugar went? Pass her contact back this way, altho I doubt she was willing to give it up. Anybody have it willing to share?

[The Indiano]

Hirstly Hi All. First post.

I'm visiting Shanghai beginning of September this year for a week, I've read some great advice here.

Can anyone give me a tips / more advice about the sence?

I'm a UK born Indian, will this be a problem, roming the street? Will I be safe? I guess Shanghai is cosmopolitan so should be a problem.

Also, Shanghai Hotel sounds like the place to visit, but looks like a normal tourist hotel. Is there like a secret entrance or just follow signs for a suana? And Barber shops. Are they a normal fronted barber shop or is that a code word? How do I find then.

Ta,

Indiano!

[Levitian]

Hehehe, I am innocent!

In fact, I tried to "book" her several times before Chinese NY, because ur enthusiasm made me very curious, but - helas - I never managed. It was quite hard to find out about her, because u and Shanghai Jack didn't really give precise information here (so much about "willing to share", you bastards!)
Unfortunately, she never was there when I showed up, so I believe she probably already left before CNY.

I think it was just about time for her to go back. Or maybe, she moved to the other facility on Fahuazheng Road.

Try "530", she is quite ok.

Levitian

[Unknown One]

After reading posts about the pub being closed, I went there last night and can confirm that it is not closed. They added a second door, and renovated the interior once again. Had Xiao Mi and YiYi together for a very nice 2 on 1 well over an hour BJ. Really made them earn their pay I did. However they arent into sharing cock, but rather prefer to switch places and wipe before they go down on you each time.

[Dadadidi]

Friday afternoon 3/16 I go there, sign in Chinese on door, nobody at desk, doors locked, puzzled foreigners outside.

[Buckeye]

Guys,

Thank you for your posts. I have a trip coming up and look forward to trying out the red rope service. Most likely it will be a bit mechanical but there is a great novelty to the experience.

Are there any sites for Shanghai fun that are similar to eros.com , *********.net, ********.com, or craigslist that advertise services? Any of those in english?

During my exploits, I will certainly post any pics and worthwhile exploits.

Thanks,

Buck

[Dadadidi]

Hirstly Hi All. First post.

Also, Shanghai Hotel sounds like the place to visit, but looks like a normal tourist hotel. Is there like a secret entrance or just follow signs for a suana?Go to elevator to left of lobby, see sign in elevator for Sauna on 2 Floor. On Friday, 3/16, 5 pm, see sign in Chinese on locked door and puzzled Westerners outside.

[Albert Punter]

I don't think you will encounter problems because of your ethnicity.

Please refer to this post, where you will read many answers to your other questions.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=437583&postcount=4772


Hirstly Hi All. First post.

I'm visiting Shanghai beginning of September this year for a week, I've read some great advice here.

Can anyone give me a tips / more advice about the sence?

I'm a UK born Indian, will this be a problem, roming the street? Will I be safe? I guess Shanghai is cosmopolitan so should be a problem.

Also, Shanghai Hotel sounds like the place to visit, but looks like a normal tourist hotel. Is there like a secret entrance or just follow signs for a suana? And Barber shops. Are they a normal fronted barber shop or is that a code word? How do I find then.

Ta,

Indiano!

[The Indiano]

Excellent, thanks for the link. By the way any posts on here that can lead me to the place that cannot be mentioned here?

Sounds like a place not to be missed.

[Shanguanghuse]

Friday afternoon 3/16 I go there, sign in Chinese on door, nobody at desk, doors locked, puzzled foreigners outside.Yes, this is true. Shut up by police.

[World Guy Sh]

Yes, this is true. Shut up by police.Is this likely to be permenant? What about the other location?

Any other places hit in town?

[Travelin Guy]

By the way any posts on here that can lead me to the place that cannot be mentioned here?Indiano, you'd have to search back into some pretty old posts from almost 2 years ago to find the address to TPTCNBNH. I guess the management has asked some of the regulars to help him keep a low profile due to fears of LE moving in.

Try post count nr. 1895 and see if that helps.

[Rob Hay]

Myself and Carnesser went to Guandi last Friday and this place is the unoffical freebie central for local girls. Chinese girls there are a step above babyface girls but not in the major leagues yet. These are young girls usually looking for boyfriends or maybe the potential for a "kept relationship" but most of these girl are not in the "game" yet. This was my first time there and i was pleasantly surprised. We ended up getting quite a few numbers out of this place and one hookup but unfortunately a few of my current freebies also showed up and was not to please to see back in Shanghai without contacting them, so those bridges are pretty much burnt. In fact surprisingly I saw many familiar faces. So maybe the evening was a wash but to guys with some time and looking for 7,8s and maybe the occasional 9 do check out Guandi in Fuxing Park next to Park 97. Chinese skills are a plus...

This experience has made me realize that Shanghai nightlife scene is too small and everyone knows everyone else. If your a player they will figure out your game sooner or later. But then again this is a city where playboys are looked upon favorably. I'm trying to expand to girls from aff.com/internet and cafe/starbucks now as I pretty much burned my bridges with club scene. I am also trying to break into "the game" myself and meet the trophy girl(9, 10s) type but as they are kept and never go out the chances to meet them are few and far in between. Right now I'm pretty much starting from stratch again but then again I love the chase so i guess its all good.

Here is a short symmary from my bad experience so your freebies dont end up running into each other....

Locals-
Muse girls also go to Guandi
G+ girls also go to O2
attica girls also go to park 97 ( talking freebies not the various pros)

xpat girls-
park 97-bar rouge-attica same faces rotate places


OH I found a good sauna near HK plaza on Huai Hai LU......its right in the same alley as the Las Vegas KTV will find the exact address but it offers the red rope thing everyone seems to love. I only did the Sauna, steam room, whirlpool thing for 58 RMB but upstairs offers more fun for 700 or 880 for a two girls special. I love doing the sauna thing after a long night of drinking but not really into the cat nip massage. I happened to see some of the massage girls and they look quite interesting though, it would be worth someone checking out.

[Atik Bc]

Need a guide, meeting whole two darn days, they put me up in this Pudong area, Rennaisance and flight back early in the morning. Anywhere near here for MP with lot extra services, HJ, BBBJ or LT after massage? Desperately need an info..

[Lao Ma]

Atik bc:

Welcome to Shanghai, I would be honored to be your ISG guide.

1. First think you should is is figure out what the phrase "RTFF" stands for. I'll give you some clues clues: the first word is "read". The second word is "the". The fourth word is "forum".

The third word rhymes with "trucking", but begins with the letters "f". So, for example, if I say "get a trucking clue, you trucking lazy newbie, and read the trucking forum" - simply change the "t" with an "f", and I think you'll get my drift.

2. Enjoy Shanghai, and don't take my first point personally. I'm sure you are a great guy and your momma loves you. All the answers you need to have a trucking great time are in this thread.

[Ace Gallant]

Is this likely to be permenant? What about the other location?

Any other places hit in town?Their Bathhouse license had been revoked by the local police. This is due to a lot of complains from customers and over-exposure.

From another angle the Sauna spokesman said that they are “Moving to another location”.

I am sure they will appear under another name in the same or nearby location soon.

AG

[Dadadidi]

Is this likely to be permenant? What about the other location?

Any other places hit in town?Yeah, I'm also disappointed in SH Hotel spa closing, I liked it very much, but.

A block away to the north is another SPA even better than the Shanghai Hotel and on Saturday 3/17/07 it was open though not busy. (There are also some other such places about the same in other areas, I haven't visited this week.)

Yi Ji Hua, tel 62480968 or 15921088360, 209 Urumuqi (Wulumuqi) Road (Lu), 5F. Just north of Ya'an Elevated Road, just south of Beijing/Yuyuan Road (a block north is Steak King/C'Straits Cafe, walk from Jing'an Temple Metro), on east side of street, big signs for K-OK and SPA. Enter, greeters will ask you "Spa?" and you nod and are directed to the first elevator for 5th floor. I noticed some hot girls going downstairs to the KTV.

Upstairs you don't need any English, though the manager speaks a little, they will tell you to change shoes and take you to a private room with a locker where you change clothes into pyjamas, watch TV in a very comfortable lounge chair and enjoy a drink. I didn't see any sauna or conventional massage or pool or pedicure like at Shanghai Hotel. There are many rooms and they were not used that much at 9 pm.

Then they take you to a lineup, you see them through a one-way glass here to avoid embarrassment. The lineup was in order of height, I picked the tallest, 029 from Sichuan, known for spicy food and 8-9, but all were above 6.

While the Shanghai Hotel has AR and red rope (which I don't like), the Yi Ji Hua is more comfortable because the focus is on soapy shower and total massage, with plenty of time for extras. There was one area of the room for wet entertainment and another for dry. Again, you don't need any Chinese, just say "bu" for "no" or "booh yao" for "don't want" and "hen hao" ("hun hao", "very good") for the rest such as the temperature of the water or where you want to be touched and to compliment on the beauty and fun. Relaxed, comfortable, everyone has fun and laughs. Of course big little brother is sometimes a problem with these little girls so go slow and gentle and 029 came twice. Afterwards, took a short nap in the private room, no problem.

BBBJ and FS, no DFK, 700 RMB, no tip, a little cheaper and a little better in my opinion than Shanghai Hotel, try it and report. I think there are other prices, maybe a VIP level, but I can't imagine what for unless for regulars.

Also I noticed that the pub we can't name here is open in SH, not hard to find, on the south side of the street across from the Heineken sign, but it looks closed since there is no light and there is a red sign in Chinese to the left of the black door, I think it says open at 8, just open it and there is another door inside, push the buzzer to the right, I didn't, but will go back soon and report. If you search back postings you will see two addresses, the lower number ending in "1" is correct, I suppose.

I didn't see any BBS on Changde Lu, though there is possibly one upstairs to the east of the pub in the next block, maybe the others have closed? There are quite a lot of BBS in other areas of SH, though, check the back posts or just walk around. HJ maybe 100RMB but maybe not clean, ymmv.

The Shanghai D a i l y English newspaper has a page of English-speaking massage girls too, but don't pay more than about 700, they will try to cheat you, bargain first when you call and be specific about what you want, probably a tall one. You then also have to pay taxi fare, about 100RMB, don't tip. I think there are just a couple of these agencies and the numbers in different ads ring through to the same people, they must pay a lot for the ads and LE. If you don't like the one they send, ask for another.

I haven't heard of LE in SH crackdown, any news about the rest? I'm new living here, but it is a wonderful town for mongers, man, xiaojie call your hotel room at 2:30 at night to ask in English very persuasively if you can't sleep and need a massage and FS! The problem is more in saying no than in finding something!

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Carnesseur]

Wanted to add my two cents about the night with Rob. First I want to thank him for being my guide that night. He's a very smooth operator and had the hottest chick in Guandi eating from the palm of his hand before he got greedy and let three other lovelies do the same thing in plain sight of the first.

Anyway, we went to Park 97 first. Not the best night, but there were a few nice looking girls, but only one stunner. This stunner sat a the bar alone and would not talk or look at anyone. Weird. The other nice looking girls were taken by the time we got there. Seems to have just been a bad night at the place so we left for Guandi.

Guandi was hopping. Cover charge required but the place was packed with excellent flesh. I will give a sampling. A tall, classy russian beauty, a cute Nanjing girl who looked Japanese, two very hot Shanghainese chicks out with their brothers, a couple of busty Germans and cute little French babe from Montpellier--an upscale, young, international crowd. Many of the girls I talked to were university students, one a Shanghainese who goes to school in the UK.

Unfortunately, I can't report on any great takeaway experience from this night. My KTV girl was waiting for me in my hotel room (you know the one I pay way too much for), so I left early. But this is a great place for a relatively good looking, probably younger than 40 yrs guy to meet a high class freebie. But if you're looking for a easy P4P takeaway, Guandi is not the place

If I can ever extricate myself from my 24/7 KTV girlfriend addiction, I will post some interesting mongering stuff. Back to Shanghai in a few months.


Myself and Carnesser went to Guandi last Friday and this place is the unoffical freebie central for local girls. Chinese girls there are a step above babyface girls but not in the major leagues yet. These are young girls usually looking for boyfriends or maybe the potential for a "kept relationship" but most of these girl are not in the "game" yet. This was my first time there and i was pleasantly surprised. We ended up getting quite a few numbers out of this place and one hookup but unfortunately a few of my current freebies also showed up and was not to please to see back in Shanghai without contacting them, so those bridges are pretty much burnt. In fact surprisingly I saw many familiar faces. So maybe the evening was a wash but to guys with some time and looking for 7,8s and maybe the occasional 9 do check out Guandi in Fuxing Park next to Park 97. Chinese skills are a plus...

This experience has made me realize that Shanghai nightlife scene is too small and everyone knows everyone else. If your a player they will figure out your game sooner or later. But then again this is a city where playboys are looked upon favorably. I'm trying to expand to girls from aff.com/internet and cafe/starbucks now as I pretty much burned my bridges with club scene. I am also trying to break into "the game" myself and meet the trophy girl(9, 10s) type but as they are kept and never go out the chances to meet them are few and far in between. Right now I'm pretty much starting from stratch again but then again I love the chase so i guess its all good.

Here is a short symmary from my bad experience so your freebies dont end up running into each other....

Locals-
Muse girls also go to Guandi
G+ girls also go to O2
attica girls also go to park 97 ( talking freebies not the various pros)

xpat girls-
park 97-bar rouge-attica same faces rotate places

OH I found a good sauna near HK plaza on Huai Hai LU......its right in the same alley as the Las Vegas KTV will find the exact address but it offers the red rope thing everyone seems to love. I only did the Sauna, steam room, whirlpool thing for 58 RMB but upstairs offers more fun for 700 or 880 for a two girls special. I love doing the sauna thing after a long night of drinking but not really into the cat nip massage. I happened to see some of the massage girls and they look quite interesting though, it would be worth someone checking out.EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Mock A Bee]

Need a guide, meeting whole two darn days, they put me up in this Pudong area, Rennaisance and flight back early in the morning. Anywhere near here for MP with lot extra services, HJ, BBBJ or LT after massage? Desperately need an info..

You didn't RTFF, did you?

You will get a lot more out of this forum if you do. Few people bother to respond to open questions and lazy people. We put a lot of effort and our own money into checking places out and reporting it here.

This forum is meant to be read so others may benefit - this is not a help desk.

Hope you read, there is a lot of good stuff here, plus there is a search function. Try RTFF first and ask a thoughtful question, and you will do better.

Good luck!
MAB

[Ace Gallant]

You didn't RTFF, did you?

Good luck!

MAB
Atik bc:

Welcome to Shanghai, I would be honored to be your ISG guide.

1. First think you should is is figure out what the phrase "RTFF" stands for. I'll give you some clues clues: the first word is "read". The second word is "the". The fourth word is "forum".Easy on the newbies guys. You don't want to be another AG who gets Flamed and banned because he offended people on the board by telling them off with RTFF.

AG

=========================================

Hi,

You also don't want to get banned for using multiple aliases.

Thanks,

Jackson

[Twobears]

Hi guys! My first report on this forum after lurking around for quite awhile. Thanks for all the info You have given me all this time.

I have been to Shanghai for a number of times now and tried out the bar streets and some of the HJ bbs places. Finally I found an area with 5-6 FS barbershops. As usual these places are basic and constricted, but fine enough if you only want a short relief.
The Jade Buddha temple is on Anyuan road and is a good place to take the cab to. Anyuan rd is the East-West street. If you walk east one block you will come to Changhua rd. Turn right and on the east side of the street there are three BBS parlours. The one furthest north had 5 girls as I went in (early evening). 20-30 years old. Quoted 300 but went down to 200RMB. Upstairs is unfortunately only a big room with dividers and curtains. Friendly service.

The second one is rebuilding now (or maybe there will be something else there?). At the third there is a large room with the foot massage chairs first. 7-8 girls waiting. 300RMB FS. In through the door to the right and to some small room with narrow massage beds. A bit more privacy since they atleat had doors.

Furter down is 2 places 10-30m in a small blind alley. 200 RMB.

The most interesting place is to the west from Jade Buddha Temple. It's on Anyuan road south side, abiout 2 blocks. It is in a bar style and have a window where you can see 8-15 girls scantily clad on couches. Here you can order drinks and chat the girls up before choosing. Rooms upstairs have wider beds (4ft/120cm) and the walls actually go up all the way to the ceiling :). 400RMb, tried to get them down, but it was hard. The girl took the money in the room first and then went down to the mamasan with it. Had two girls here, one unhurried and funny, the other one stressed and started dressing as soon we had done the session.

Down the Anyuan Rd further west was some more parlours. I checked a few out, but they seemed to be more HJ style.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Cocoon]

I went to Shanghai Hotel on Sunday 18th March, and saw the Letter saying they were closed for renovation. A Chinese guy, 40ish, popped out of the elevator. His story was that the sauna had moved around the corner during the renovation.

As we were walking, he "called ahead", and we passed the JB sauna, which was one of "his", but they were "too busy". We went passed JingAn Hotel, which was supposed to have a sauna, but there were "too few girls". So he took me down Changsu Lu, and I was curious what he was up to, so kept up the conversation. He took me to BonBon, the House music club, and we went up the Red Valley KTV lift. I stopped the charade when they wanted me to choose a girl and just walked out. No hassle from the management.

Went to Waves for old times sake, and it was a building site! Fortunately I noticed the arrows on the lit sign were now pointing the other way. I have to say that the line-up wasn't Shanghai Hotel standard, but 918 surprised me by her performance: she seems to be performing for a porn movie. Had a skin scrub first time in a year. I don't think he was trying, Last year there was a whole ball of grey dead skin.

Found a very good restaurant that closes at 01: 30 am, just behind JingAn Station, near the corner of JiaoZhou Lu. It's called WuMiZhou HotPot, at 138 YuYuan Lu. A bowl of congee with some clams for RMB28. It's not fancy, but classic cooking done very well. I couldn't get in twice daytime on two separate days, because it was so crowded, now I know why.

Ideal for post (or pre) "The Pub that dares not speak its Name". By the way, the red note just says "Hiring blah. 2007. 3". The plaque on the right says Members only.

You people, one of these days you are going to walk past a sign that says: "Volunteers this way for feeding Man Eating sharks. "

[Cocoon]

So how would you guys feel like playing a little prank on the newbies who do NOT RTFF? Nobody mentions the fact that the SH is geschlossen from now on. So only if somebody who bothers to RTFF as far back as this week would know. We only need to keep it up for a month or two.

Nobody should post replies to the usual "Can someone tell me where is the SH? " question.

After people vote on this in the next three days, Jackson (or The Forum Editor) should delete this initiating post and all the voting posts from the forum, and we just keep stumm for a month.

If you can keep quiet about T*e P*be, you can keep quiet about XX. Remember, nice newbies who RTFF would not be affected.