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Wonderer,
check following post:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=502053
Unfortunately my original post was a little bit "changed" - listing, words missing and so on - by a script used to check posts of non-senior members or so, but I think you can read the main message. As "killer medic" for such asian germs seems Zythromax do its job in general, medic b) and c) was used after a) was not enough. Try do get such "emergency medic combination" from your doc and for you specially. My medic list maybe not work for everybody. hth
Get well soon!
LW
Thanks, Laowai!
I have read your report. Having experienced something similar after BBBJ in Thailand, I am now also pretty much a "doctor". Zithromax was used at that time, but it did not help me. I was told then by two different doctors that Vibramycin is THE drug against clamydia, and clamydia is the most likely thing you catch.
Vibramycin was then also the drug that helped me last time. So, finally I could get some here in Aisa. After using it for two days, the symptoms are already clearly reduced.
I do not want to promote anything here, but Vibramycin is against several STD, like clamydia, gonorrhoe, syphilis, etc. Therefore, in future I will always have it in my "emergency kit".
Knowing the symptoms very well and the necessary treatment, I have tried this time without a doctor (being out in Asia, it was not so easy anyhow to find a suitable doctor).
I am now in Manila, and here in the pharmacy, it was immediately clear to them what I needed when I said the name of the drug. I also got it without any problem and any prescription.
But I think we should now close this topic here or move to the "safe sex" forum.
Wonderer - who is on the way of recovery.
My mistake if I came off arrogant, just being a Chinese dude.
I think it is your writing style that makes you sound arrogant. Being a typical Chinese should make you more humble than others. But the guys here are mostly quite forgiving now that you made it clear.
Some of the girls I see on here (nothing against you guys) are not attractive, I guess this would be an asian dude looking at another asian. You see, I'm not saying I'm good looking this bla bla that, I'm just saying in general from what I see here on the posts. Perhaps I did not go through 322 pages of pictures but just from the first say 20 pages all I could point out was maybe less than 10 that were hot.
Nobody cares how you look here. :) We are all here talking about paying for sex and it has been established long time ago that Caucasian males' idea of female asian beauty is different from that of an asian male. Your comment in a way validated my views on this topic but I would not go as far as you did in implying that there is something wrong with some members' taste in asian women. Some like me, I am Chinese Canadian too, find blond hair exotic. Some members here would find it boring. Diversity makes the world interesting.
I heard there are restrictions that I cannot bring guests back after a certain time. If so, would a place like Celeberity Service Apartment be a better place to stay?
I seriously doubt that there would be restrictions for you to bring guests back to any hotels late at night in Shanghai. It might be different for a white/black man to bring a Chinese girl back, mostly because some hotels don't want responsibility in case of theft/robbery. But if you are Chinese and you bring a Chinese girl back, nobody would give a damn. However, if you decide to take home a Russian working girl, that might be a different story. I don't know about this particular service apartment, but they are generally even more relaxed than hotels.
As for your trip, here are my recommendation.
1. Visit various saunas for abundance of choice and reasonable price.
2. Hit freebie pickup joints like Park 97 if you like the game.
3. Pick up working girls from Tong Ren Road bars but negotiate well.
4. Hook up with CARNESSUR or others to visit KTV in Shanghai as it is expensive and boring if you go there alone.
5. Avoid BBS because you will find there mostly peasant girls if you are used to the Vancouver girls of the calibre of Miss Hong Kong.
Have fun and file a report.
Thanks, Laowai!
I do not want to promote anything here, but Vibramycin is against several STD, like clamydia, gonorrhoe, syphilis, etc. Therefore, in future I will always have it in my "emergency kit".
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Does anybody know if Vibramycin is available in the chinese pharmacies?
Does anybody know if Vibramycin is available in the chinese pharmacies?
Hi Santa,
I will try to find out. Most likely ther is a substitute / generica based on the same ingredients. Vibramycin (Pfizer) is of the tetracycline family, and the generic name is doxycycline. There are doxycycline generica on the market, e.g. Doxisol from Sandoz. It might be worthwile to find a doxycycline generica, which is certainly much cheaper in China. The best is capsules of 100mg, since you need an initial dose of 200mg and then 100mg twice a day, for 7 to 10 days.
There is also a lot of information on the Internet, if you search for Vibramycin or doxycycline.
Some time ago, I got some doxycycline generica from my doctor in China (also in case of an urethritis), and I tried later on to find the same in the pharmacies. But they all declined. Either they really did not have the product or they did not want to sell without prescription.
I will continue trying to find it - perhaps with the help of my doctor. If I am successful, I let you know the details.
Wonderer
World Guy Sh
04-13-07, 00:46
Hi All
Well, I said I would be out again but thought I'd try and locate some BBS's for something more of a quick fix. First trip out, headed down to Jiangsu Road. Just went for a wander anf FINALLY found a BBS (have been here several months and completely failed to spot them). It was on Yuyuan Rd.come out the subway and keep walking away from Plaza 66 (in the distance) cross the road and about 100 metres on the right side.
Seemed to be the only customer (8pm), about 8 girls all sat round in long white satin evening style dresses, no mamasan in sight. Offered a massage and pointed upstairs. Only a massage mind. No BJ, that was made clear by them. The least attractive girl followed me up (damn, most were attractive in a non stunning looking way) and was quickly followed by another girl (two girl, 200RMB. No thanks, one will do). She eventually went and was left with the one for a HJ. I'd already agreed 100RMB (first time, never mind) which she stuck with. She htook her knickers down so my fingers got a play with Xiao Me me and her breasts. She wasn't hanging aorund, but I held on. Not a bad quick fix, but wnated something more.
So, off I go again looking for a FS BBS and didn't fancy the PTCBN. Can I find one? Nope. All round the Jing'an area, headed up Jiaozhou Lu, Kanding and Xikang Lu. Eventually wandering along Wuding Lu, near the intersection with Jiaozhou Lu I find one. In I go, maybe 12 girls and a mamasan. He takes me out the back. 400RMB for BJ or FS! Not likely. Had also been followed by the least attractive curley haired girl (curls does not do it for me). Eventually got him down to 300 RMB for BJ and FS and chose my own girl who joined us. Then they want the money up front. No way. My money stays in my pocket until the deed is done, made that clear. They weren't budging so I went to leave and. Did. By this time I was bored so headed home.
So, did I do the right thing? On the basis the SH or 209 Urumqui Lu is 700RMB ish for at least an hour of fun and the PTCBN seems to come out at 400RMB or so for a friendly service it all seemed a bit steep. And people. I shouldn't have paid up front should I?
Anyway for those that are interested, one HJ place and one FS/BBJ location. If you can negotiate a better price at the latter let me know. Still trying to find somewhere in this area that does a cheap FS. Just don't really seem to know where to look (do I head down the dark alleys where there is a twisting barbers pole? )
Best
WGS
Does anybody know if Vibramycin is available in the chinese pharmacies?Just write down on paper "Doxycycline" and visit some larger pharmacy. They will give you something which contains Doxycycline. No presciption needed. Good big pharmacies are on Nanjing Rd and HuaiHai rd.
Albert Punter
04-13-07, 12:31
In my opinion you took wise decision not accepting their prices and payment policy.
Many times it has been reported here that payment must be always effected after service to avoid possible unpleasant surprises.
So, did I do the right thing? On the basis the SH or 209 Urumqui Lu is 700RMB ish for at least an hour of fun and the PTCBN seems to come out at 400RMB or so for a friendly service it all seemed a bit steep. And people. I shouldn't have paid up front should I?
WGS
World Guy,
Sorry cannot remember the name of the street, but one block south of Yuyuan Lu (parallel) you will find something. There are a few BBS at the Jiangsu Lu end, one is BJ, most are HJ. However down at Dingxi Lu end there are a couple of FS options. The one I have been to here have curtained areas in the shop HJ style, but was actually taken to a room in the apartment building behind.
Otherwise Changde Lu would be nearest.
Mianbao.
Unknown One
04-13-07, 16:29
World Guy,
Sorry cannot remember the name of the street, but one block south of Yuyuan Lu (parallel) you will find something.
Mianbao.
Sorry folks I have been off the map for sometime but I have had pretty good success with ES's Asiafind.com thingie, Ill keep my success to myself but I am very happy about it!
The name of the street is Xuan Hua Rd Mianbao, you told me about the place, how could you have forgotten it? The BJ place is next to a Kodak store =)
Crazy Jim Wood
04-13-07, 19:47
See my report on the Honggang Hotel and Holiday Inn Great Wall:
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=585653&postcount=2334
CJW
Hi to all,
I just stay in Shanghai for two weeks but the postings here are really poor. I m a 40 year old german not that good looking but I had a lot of more fun then you other guys. #
Maybe the saunas are good, but I was so happy to stay at the opening week in the 18 sauna, 2 years ago, in Macau, I will be disappointed to go any other sauna for sure.
First thing you have to do in Shanghai, is to buy a bottle of whisky with green tea mixer.
Then to enjoy the Shanghai nightlife you have to learn to play (shy ze), thats this game with the cubes they play everywhere. It s simple game and everyone who likes poker like this game for sure.
Just sit down to a Chinese, in some place, like babyface, ask him to play and you become friends quickly. Then he normally offers you some girls sitting around with him. I mean these Chinese guys hanging out with this beautiful girls, the girls are just working on them.
So I had in my first week 5 girls 9-10 500 RMB for short time just with the promise to come back and play shy ze again. LOL
Only today this didn t work out. Tonight I went to the babyface, close to a Chinese with golden watch, I ordered a bottle of chevas with green tea offerded him to drink and to play shy ze, but I did not noticed that this fellow was allready pissed drunken. My mistake, because I went to the babyface 1 a. M. After 10 min he showed me his gf telling she really good make massage. Ok this girl was looking an eight but her behaviour was 10. She really took care her bf. Bartender allready told me this guy stupid and drunken, but it was ok for me to play shy ze with them LOL. All the time he was offering his gf to me, who was absolutly nice girl. Then at 3 am I went to toilet, met there a Chinese guy, who spokes perfectly english and spanish. I asked him to join us to play shy ze and drinking. He asked me to come to his table. I forced him to come with me to drink my whisky and play shy ze and so he did. We just payed 5 min then he became trouble with my former Chinese friend. It was close to a boxing, but at least 10 guys of the security pretended them from any action. I stood in the middle made the big hero praying make love not war LOL. Taking care I was allways sorounded by the security. This story took about 3 hours. This stupid guy, who seems to have studied in the us allways came back. So at least I m home now without a fuck. The big hero of the evening LOL. Security and bartender appreciated my good behaviour LOL.
So first time in 2 weeks shanghai I will tgive me a handjob now. Cry
What I wanna tell is. If you want to have fun in shanghai you must be ready to pay a bottle of whisky and play shy ze. With that you will have a lot of fun here.
I would like to post my ktv experience here too. But this would take to long. I only can say the 2 times I went here I had really good experience. Cheap ktv and ystunning girls. But this will be my next posting. LOL
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
If you stay in the babyface area after 3 am there are many girls 4-8 offering short time for 500 RMB, even you are ugly andf old. LOL
D- Well I'm staying for just a bit not long 2 weeks, so either I will be staying at Celeberity apartments 1077 Xietu Rd or Nanjaing. Wherever, whatever places I can get some action would be awesome.Well, I am a newbie like yourself in Shanghai and everyone on this board, especially the "Shanghai Gang" has really helped me to understand how things are run around here in terms of mongering and finding girlfriends. I find that being in the Jing'An or Xujiahui district will yield you a higher concentration of exposure to the bar scene if that is to your liking. I have yet to run into any major problems bringing a friend with me to my hotel. I guess it's up to you to use some discretion on the type of establishment you are in, and the general appearance of the friend you are bringing over, i.e. if she is wearing a "I am a 'ho outfit" then it might run into complications.
West Nanjing Rd / Tong Ren Road has quite a few bars to checkout later in the evening. They are especially busy during the weekends so you may wish to avoid on Fridays and Saturdays.
I too visit and live in Vancouver, BC about 6 weeks out of the year and can agree to some of your sentiments about the girls there. But, they are just plain different. I am not saying better or worse, but just different. I hope you have some good experiences in Shanghai and share them with the board members later on.
If you are in town, feel free to contact me thru PM and we can even grab a drink somewhere.
Good Luck!
Sorry did not get to reply you because I missed your post.
Yes you got it! Shanghai hotel is a god location.
Enjoy!
AGAG,
Thanks
Hi,
Stay away from drinking whiskey and playing shy ze with the Chinese. After a while you will start talk stupid behave like a fool, get into trouble and next morning wake up with a terrible headache- my god what a night. LOL
maybe this belongs in some safe sex forum, i didn't see one, and so i write for those in shanghai.
the other day my long-term shanghai girlfriend and mp told me she had hpv, i said mei you wenti, then the doctors did more tests and said she was hiv positive. so i went for hiv test at one of the free clinics in shanghai, anonymous, but they only speak chinese. in 4 hours you call or look online for results, mine was negative, thank god. gf says she needs to make money, won't quit work, doesn't care if she dies or transmits the disease. she sees many westerners for the biggest mps that advertise in the paper and speaks pretty good english, maybe you know her, but of course i can't tell here, it really doesn't make any difference in the end. i am trying to dump her, but it's hard.
she says it was probably bbbj that gave her the hiv, i don't think so, but on the other hand i don't think she has had much unprotected sex, maybe it doesn't take much in some cases. she is not on drugs and doesn't do anal.
from what i can understand, shanghai is on the edge of an aids epidemic and you gentle readers ought to wake up and smell the coffee as i have had to do. according to the news today, there were 2,313 infections of hiv reported since record-keeping started, with over 100 deaths, and 54% increase last year over the previous. maybe that's not much in a city of 17 million, but the potential is vast.
the main two reasons are the sex trade and drug use. so it is difficult to get statistics on this underground activity, and aim prevention and education at the right public health targets. meaning you, right now.
the city has tried to provide free condoms but so far has not regulated the sex trade and had licenses and regular examinations for sp, and the sp have not done this voluntarily. chinese condoms may be too small for westerners, and some of the western condoms might not be very effective. many westerners ask for bb sex, and chinese sp provide this at an unknown rate. even with regular tests, it may take up to 22 days after exposure for the test to become positive.
some sort of methamphetamine epidemic in sh among ktv girls has been discussed in this forum. in some unknown number of cases, it may be administered intravenously, maybe with shared needles, and in other places this usage has resulted in hiv epidemics. i have heard of some plans in sh for clean needle exchange for drug users, but i do not know if it has been implemented. in some cases, methamphetimine needle users may have "speed bumps" at injection sites. look at wikipedia before you come for more information.
from what little i can observe, it seems that the shanghaiese people have a very primitive view of hiv and aids, no magic johnson to elevate the disability above the leprosy stage, thinking that the disease just comes from westerners and is another colonial plague. in fact, hiv in china seems to have come from yunnan not america, and no police state is going to keep people from having sex. it's hard to get aids education or information in english in shanghai, some is available in chinese but seems out to scare people instead of inform.
those non-chinese staying in china for more than 6 months will have to have an hiv test and you will be deported if it is positive. chinese wanting to get a green card by marrying an american will also be deported from america. everybody can get free testing and drugs and care here, at least if you understand chinese and willing to expose yourself with no guarantee of confidentiality.
sex and shanghai have always gone together. it is really a shame that everybody cannot have such pleasure, it is tough to say "no" here. aids is really a horrible death, you can live for 10 years or indefinitely now with the right treatment, at least in the u.s., but maybe sometimes you get kaposi's sarcoma, not so pretty.
so think about it before you listen to little brother, mine is now in shock, i go back to america but i don't know what i will do now, and i am very interested in how my gentle readers respond. have a good night, enjoy life while you have it!
editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
I'm new to shanghai and also had this thought all of a sudden. As such, would appreciate if people who know could tell me where to take the checkup tests? At the hospital?
Thanks.
maybe this belongs in some safe sex forum, i didn't see one, and so i write for those in shanghai.
the other day my long-term shanghai girlfriend and mp told me she had hpv, i said mei you wenti, then the doctors did more tests and said she was hiv positive. so i went for hiv test at one of the free clinics in shanghai, anonymous, but they only speak chinese. in 4 hours you call or look online for results, mine was negative, thank god. gf says she needs to make money, won't quit work, doesn't care if she dies or transmits the disease. she sees many westerners for the biggest mps that advertise in the paper and speaks pretty good english, maybe you know her, but of course i can't tell here, it really doesn't make any difference in the end. i am trying to dump her, but it's hard.
she says it was probably bbbj that gave her the hiv, i don't think so, but on the other hand i don't think she has had much unprotected sex, maybe it doesn't take much in some cases. she is not on drugs and doesn't do anal.
from what i can understand, shanghai is on the edge of an aids epidemic and you gentle readers ought to wake up and smell the coffee as i have had to do. according to the news today, there were 2,313 infections of hiv reported since record-keeping started, with over 100 deaths, and 54% increase last year over the previous. maybe that's not much in a city of 17 million, but the potential is vast.
the main two reasons are the sex trade and drug use. so it is difficult to get statistics on this underground activity, and aim prevention and education at the right public health targets. meaning you, right now.
the city has tried to provide free condoms but so far has not regulated the sex trade and had licenses and regular examinations for sp, and the sp have not done this voluntarily. chinese condoms may be too small for westerners, and some of the western condoms might not be very effective. many westerners ask for bb sex, and chinese sp provide this at an unknown rate. even with regular tests, it may take up to 22 days after exposure for the test to become positive.
some sort of methamphetamine epidemic in sh among ktv girls has been discussed in this forum. in some unknown number of cases, it may be administered intravenously, maybe with shared needles, and in other places this usage has resulted in hiv epidemics. i have heard of some plans in sh for clean needle exchange for drug users, but i do not know if it has been implemented. in some cases, methamphetimine needle users may have "speed bumps" at injection sites. look at wikipedia before you come for more information.
from what little i can observe, it seems that the shanghaiese people have a very primitive view of hiv and aids, no magic johnson to elevate the disability above the leprosy stage, thinking that the disease just comes from westerners and is another colonial plague. in fact, hiv in china seems to have come from yunnan not america, and no police state is going to keep people from having sex. it's hard to get aids education or information in english in shanghai, some is available in chinese but seems out to scare people instead of inform.
those non-chinese staying in china for more than 6 months will have to have an hiv test and you will be deported if it is positive. chinese wanting to get a green card by marrying an american will also be deported from america. everybody can get free testing and drugs and care here, at least if you understand chinese and willing to expose yourself with no guarantee of confidentiality.
sex and shanghai have always gone together. it is really a shame that everybody cannot have such pleasure, it is tough to say "no" here. aids is really a horrible death, you can live for 10 years or indefinitely now with the right treatment, at least in the u.s., but maybe sometimes you get kaposi's sarcoma, not so pretty.
so think about it before you listen to little brother, mine is now in shock, i go back to america but i don't know what i will do now, and i am very interested in how my gentle readers respond. have a good night, enjoy life while you have it!
editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
this is not what i like to read because it's not "fun" to read. i would rather ignore it, but i think it deserves post of distinction.
jackson says post of distinction does not imply that it's a special post, but i disagree. most of us think "post of distinction" does imply that it is a distinguished post.
dadadidi, is it possible that she lied to you? is she now asking you to help her financially?
This is not what I like to read because it's not "fun" to read. I would rather ignore it, but I think it deserves Post of Distinction.
Jackson says Post of Distinction does not imply that it's a special post, but I disagree. Most of us think "Post of Distinction" does imply that it is a distinguished post.
Dadaididi, is it possible that she lied to you? Is she now asking you to help her financially?I won't put this myself in the Reports, but you may, please.
And no, it is not possible that she lied to me. She is not asking me to help her, she has always refused any money from me, even when I gave her my ATM card as a Chinese wife does. She is a beautiful woman, I still love her, but of course being with her is not possible now. She is like many Chinese women, incredibly honest but ignorant. Now she will not listen to me, I cannot help her, and we part with sadness and tears. I don't have HIV, but it has ruined my life for sure. I didn't give her HIV, you didn't either, but I have always treated women with love and respect and kindness and now this happens.
She has every reason to keep it secret, even from me. The moral issues are irrelevant. That is why I point out that HIV/AIDS is a public health problem, safe sex is not assured except with abstinence, and then what is life like? I can't provide any answers, only tell my story.
Life in Shanghai is dangerous every day, crossing the street even. The air is very polluted, and an unknown number of people die every day from it, probably more than from AIDS. But when a disease like HIV becomes epidemic it is hard to control, and an exponentially increasing number of good people die. So it is better to try to do what one can to prevent the problem from reaching that stage. The good city government of Shanghai is now aware of the problem, but I don't think most people here are at the stage of understanding that they should be.
I might add that HIV is not covered by my Western medical insurance, and that although free drugs and treatment are available in Shanghai even for Westerners, if the test is positive you cannot renew your visa.
I have not met any of the people on this forum, but I have learned a lot from it and do not mean any harm. The HIV I referred to did not come from anybody mentioned on this forum, if that makes any difference. I just want to share my story and hear your reaction, as of course I cannot talk about it with anybody else in Shanghai now.
Spending the weekend in Shanghai, decided to check out Ji Yuan. RTFF and got info about location and services to be expected. I usually go to Spa’s, but the Soapy experience seemed interesting.
Was a little bit concerned because I do not speak any Chinese. This was not a problem though. I was pointed up the stairs by the 3 doormen out front without so much as a word.
Then when I got upstairs the manager spoke enough English so that I knew I needed to wait in the lounge for a few minutes – presumably all the rooms/girls were occupied. Oh well, I got a coke and chilled for about 20 minutes watching a Saholin movie that was on the tube.
Before too long, someone took me to the fishbowl room. Nice selection of about 10 or 12 girls arranged from short to tall. Several looks to choose from.
I usually go for short girls with darker skin. This time, I decided to choose a tall slender beauty with very light skin. She was about 175cm, be cup with perky pink nips. Everything about this girl was long and slender.
Her number was 51, but I can’t remember her name. Does it really matter? She spoke very little English, but I managed to understand that she was 24 and originally from Sechuan province. She has been in Shanghai for about 1 year now. I’m not sure if she has been with many westerners before because she seemed really intrigued by my chest hair.compared with most westerners, I’m not overly hairy and it’s pretty much restricted to my chest. But she kept rubbing it and saying "wow" like she had never seen body hair before.
Since it was my first time there, I figured I would let her run the show and enjoy the experience. Typical of previous posts – shower, waterbed, shower for a quick wash, and out to the dry bed for the rest of the time.
Once we were on the dry bed, she did a cat bath and started an excellent BBBJ. I flipped her around for 69 and DATY. She was really getting into it, and after a few minutes, she asked if she could slip the jimmy-hat on me for FS. Well, as long as enjoying the experience I figured what the heck.
Then she hopped on and we got down to business. She was really tight and really hot. A little fake moaning to start off with, but the pitch and urgency of the moaning quickly changed. Switch positions 5 or 6 times and she came twice more. I finished up just as time was running out.
Back to the shower, change and head out. All in all a really nice afternoon.
My ratings for #51:
Attitude – 6, no GFE but definitely friendly
Service – 7
Looks – 7, not stunning but very girl next door – not my usual type
BBBJ – 8, quite nice
FS – 8, nice ‘n tight
I have a recommendation for SH. Once you’ve gone a few times, pick out your favorite girl and request her at the front desk when you enter. The girl gets a larger commission and she will absolutely want to keep you coming back, so you will be well rewarded.
After visiting Ji Yuan Salon yesterday afternoon I still had a hankering for some of my favorite activity in China. Figured now that SH is open again, I would find out how the “renovations” came out. Honestly, I did not notice any changes to the place.
I requested my favorite at the front desk and went to the back. Had to wait about 30 minutes before she was available, so I used the time to get a defoliation and have something to drink in the lounge. Before too long I was led back to the massage rooms and my waiting lady.
She was extremely glad to see me and we had a great session that was a total GFE. One of my best P4P experiences yet. Will definitely be back for more.
Lustforthrust
04-14-07, 11:24
Late 20s, into whips & cuffs.
No nudes.
Number is available.
Ace Gallant
04-14-07, 11:54
If you stay in the babyface area after 3 am there are many girls 4-8 offering short time for 500 RMB, even you are ugly andf old. LOL
Do NOT pay more than 200 for ST after 3am! Most of these girls are either rejects or had done their first (sometimes second) customer already and had returned for some extras. I never paid more than 200 for ST after 3am.
ST after 3am means one pop and they go home after that. Do not expect that they will cuddle up with you and sleep through. If I wanted someone to spend the night till morning (LT) I would also not pay more than 300 if it is after 3am. Of course in this case, I will likely to put in another 50 for their bad ride home if they give me good service or GFE.
Remember; it's closing time at around 3am! They don't get any customer, they go home. For those who will reject your offer of 200 ST or 300 LT, means they had already done the first or second rounds. For those who have not done any, they will be more willing to take the offer as it might be a zero if they reject. Friday and Sat are exceptions as some of them will get customers really late. They don't mind waiting as the next day is a non-working day for semi-pros.
Enjoy!
AG
Ace Gallant
04-14-07, 11:58
I'm new to shanghai and also had this thought all of a sudden. As such, would appreciate if people who know could tell me where to take the checkup tests? At the hospital?
Thanks.
Most hospital in City areas offer this Checkup service.
I know of 2 two of them along Huai Hai Dong Lu, offers English speaking doctors who does the test.
AG
I'm new to shanghai and also had this thought all of a sudden. As such, would appreciate if people who know could tell me where to take the checkup tests? At the hospital?
Thanks.
Yes, you can go to the nearest hospital, but there are special clinics. Try jacdc. Tianya. Cn or call 62720291. But you need Chinese. So have a Chinese friend call and find out when and where, then take you, as they don't speak English and are a little hard to find. Four hours later have the Chinese friend call to get the results, or see it online. They will give you a reference number to use.
Somebody ought to provide this service for English-speakers, but I don't know anybody now who will, even for money. I'll try to find out if there is some way to get this service with only English, and post it later if I find it.
It is free and anonymous there. But they don't wear gloves and provide no counseling. In the USA , if the first test is positive, a followup test is required. I don't know about that here.
From what I can understand about the test, if you have HIV, the test becomes positive up to 22 days later, so if you have just had unprotected sex don't expect accurate results.
I remember that the porn industry in California established a rigorous regime of testing, but it failed to prevent an outbreak, so while testing is good it is not foolproof, you must also use other prevention.
I would suggest that you spend a little money and get a Western-educated, English-speaking doctor to advise you, because if the test is positive you will need counseling and care. Although the Shanghai care is free, I have no idea if it is as effective as in other countries, and since you will survive longer than your visa, you will need the care in your home country.
And don't wait for symptoms of AIDS before you get a test, of course.
Although it is good to be worried, and take the tests, you must be realistic. HIV in Shanghai is not so much a problem for Westerners as it is for Chinese. Maybe migrant workers with no access to monogamous wives and no condoms are most at risk. It is the promiscuous Chinese prostitutes who give it to Westerners, not the other way around. But the fact that Westerners can afford to have a lot of sex does help to spread the disease since Chinese women surely want to take away their money by providing services. If you stop one HIV carrier another will take her place. It is a public health problem, and you can help by cooperating with prevention by trying to practice safe sex with good condoms.
Neuromancer
04-14-07, 18:02
This is not what I like to read because it's not "fun" to read. I would rather ignore it, but I think it deserves Post of Distinction.
Jackson says Post of Distinction does not imply that it's a special post, but I disagree. Most of us think "Post of Distinction" does imply that it is a distinguished post.
Dadadidi, is it possible that she lied to you? Is she now asking you to help her financially?Yeah, had the same thoughts. Don't want to come across as an @sshole, but wonder if it's another "trick"?
Also curious, has any one out there have a girl "cry"? Has happened to me on a couple of occasions where I saw the provider outside of their workplace. Sort of complicated to explain, but basically, related to scenarios where, I guess, more of a LT sort of arrangement is being sought out.
Tallguy2004
04-14-07, 20:39
Have any of you heard of InterLingvo dot com? I signed up because one girl sent me there for translation. It has some incredible women's profiles and they keep writing to me, but you must pay for the correspondence service.
Ripoff or legit?
Dadidi:
Thanks for your post. I don't want to start a big thread here, criticize you, or throw doubts to the wisdom of safe sex at all, but I do have a couple of observations, written in respect:
1. just because your lady is not looking for money or anything from you does not equate to your post saying there is "no way" she would lie to you. I've been in China for over a decade now, and its my observation that just like any other contry on earth, a certain percentage of people make up all kinds of stories. People like their lives in delusions, all the time. The tone of your post and the tone of her response to perhaps getting a death sentence seem just a little too casual for me - my spidey sense is tingling. She doesn't sound like this is a big deal to her at all - and I question that.
2. If she is indeed HIV positive and still wishes to be a sex worker, she is no different than a serial murderer on the loose. The right thing to do is to let any member who contacts you via private message know her name, description, phone numbers, and which MP's she works for. If you don't do that you are essentially an accessory to murder. You have detailed information about an individual who can spread a fatal disease to men here on the board. You post implies she is a well-know person, who any of us could run into.
I guess what I am saying is that you are in a position to save our lives. Think about it.
GermanSurviver
04-15-07, 03:33
Dear "Shanghai-Gang"
I'm in Sh now :) if somebody want to "show" me the City...lets go
AC thanks again,you are an good Mne and Friend.
I send you an PM.
GS
Dadidi:
Thanks for your post. I don't want to start a big thread here, criticize you, or throw doubts to the wisdom of safe sex at all, but I do have a couple of observations, written in respect:
1. just because your lady is not looking for money or anything from you does not equate to your post saying there is "no way" she would lie to you. I've been in China for over a decade now, and its my observation that just like any other contry on earth, a certain percentage of people make up all kinds of stories. People like their lives in delusions, all the time. The tone of your post and the tone of her response to perhaps getting a death sentence seem just a little too casual for me - my spidey sense is tingling. She doesn't sound like this is a big deal to her at all - and I question that.
2. If she is indeed HIV positive and still wishes to be a sex worker, she is no different than a serial murderer on the loose. The right thing to do is to let any member who contacts you via private message know her name, description, phone numbers, and which MP's she works for. If you don't do that you are essentially an accessory to murder. You have detailed information about an individual who can spread a fatal disease to men here on the board. You post implies she is a well-know person, who any of us could run into.
I guess what I am saying is that you are in a position to save our lives. Think about it.
1. Ditto (very nicely said)
2. In fact, if she insists (or proves) she is actually HIV positive AND still turning tricks (especially with the "I don't give a f*uck who I infect" attitude) then you are obliged to report her to the authorities, not just other members, for the same reasons.
Stayed in Pudong a but did not have far to go to the Holiday Inn. Bartender could't draw my beer fast enough before this babyback thing comes up and starts rubbing my leg. Sweet smile but teeth were a bit messed up. Perky, We settle for $400 rmb. BBBJ, & FS with raincoat. Went back thursday night and 2 approached me right as I sat down for $1000 rmb, one pretty, the other not so, maybe a 5-6. Decided to wait and walked to the other side of the u shaped bar and another tight pretty one comes right up, not the same girl, but same treatment. After we were done,, she cleans out the drawer with the extra soap, mending kit and toothpaste. Nice to see a girl take care of her hygynine. Thanks to all other posters.
And no, it is not possible that she lied to me. She is not asking me to help her, she has always refused any money from me, even when I gave her my ATM card as a Chinese wife does.
She is like many Chinese women, incredibly honest but ignorant.
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I don't know about this story, I have my doubts. She doesn't sound like any chinese hooker I ever met.
I always find these girls to be dishonest, cunning and smart. They primarily think about money and will do anything to acquire it, including licking my arse. There is no fucking way I would give one my ATM card.
Hey Ddd, have you checked your bank balance lately?
Santa the Skeptic.
maybe this belongs in some safe sex forum, i didn't see one, and so i write for those in shanghai.
some sort of methamphetamine epidemic in sh among ktv girls has been discussed in this forum. in some unknown number of cases, it may be administered intravenously, maybe with shared needles, and in other places this usage has resulted in hiv epidemics. i have heard of some plans in sh for clean needle exchange for drug users, but i do not know if it has been implemented. in some cases, methamphetimine needle users may have "speed bumps" at injection sites. look at wikipedia before you come for more information.
editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
they have tried it everyplace from the us to switzerland and what they found was that the drug users draw water into their clean syringe from a communal water cup that immediately infects their syringe with hep, hiv, strep, and many other diseases.
Ace Gallant
04-15-07, 06:38
From what I can understand about the test, if you have HIV, the test becomes positive up to 22 days later, so if you have just had unprotected sex don't expect accurate results.
And don't wait for symptoms of AIDS before you get a test, of course.
Today's technology:
HIV can be detected in 24 hours with a HIV test kit. HIV stands for "Human Immunodeficiency Virus". This test has proven 99.9% accurate.
However not 100% of the HIV positive patient develop AIDS (Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome) some of them never! Fastest record of HIV positive patient that developed into AIDS is 11 months.
AG
And no, it is not possible that she lied to me. She is not asking me to help her, she has always refused any money from me, even when I gave her my ATM card
.
Sorry, I just don't believe this story. A hooker refusing money?
Is she fooling you or are you fooling us? :confused:
Went to Yu Ping last weekend with a co-worker. Glad to say that it's still a great place to go. I forgot the girl's # but I let my friend pick first and I just took whoever the manager recommended. She was really new. She almost slipped off the rope. She kept saying sorry but I thought it was kind of cute.
She looked very natural and a bit taller. Very slender. I think her # ended with a 9 and I know they all start with an 8. So maybe it was 829 or 809 or something like that. All in all she was ok though. I liked the fact that she aimed to please and kept asking me if things we ok.
Dada, or Mr. Didi, has written me 3 private messages - really only one long one broken up in to 3 parts. With some basic details about his HIV positive girlfriend.
I've told him to post the same basic message he sent me to the Shanghai board, or else I will for him. I have her name and the massage companies she worked for. Evidently, she also works for the high-end KTV places. (is it just me or does that in itself seem rather fishy?) He either has valuable information that can save lives, which in that case he has a duty to post on; or he is b.s.ing the forum. He seems like a reasonable guy; his pm to me was articulate and well written. So at this point I'm willing to give him the beneift of the doubt.
He has actionable information of an urgent nature. If you don't want to wait for him to post, or me to (if he fails to do so) , I suggest you pm him.
Neuromancer
04-15-07, 16:04
Sorry, I just don't believe this story. A hooker refusing money?
Is she fooling you or are you fooling us? :confused:Don't think it's uncommon, I've had hookers refuse money before - but usually it's because they want something more.
Ace Gallant
04-15-07, 19:49
Dear "Shanghai-Gang"
I'm in Sh now :) if somebody want to "show" me the City...lets go
AC thanks again,you are an good Mne and Friend.
I send you an PM.
GS
The Shanghai-Gang welcomes newbie; GermanSurviver to Shanghai. This is his first trip here and we hope he will enjoy the whole trip.
Tonight we went Bar hopping at the famous TRL, to the famous Pub and than we left him back in Manhattan.
Coming up next few nights, we’ll be showing a lot more, like Red Ropes, Nude KTV and perhaps underground Strip Joins. Of course he will also be introduced to more members of the Shanghai gang.
To the newbies; The Shanghai Gang is not a nasty bunch, we are fun loving guys. All you need is to ask nicely and try not to be a wanker, respect others on the board and you will be welcome by us. GS is a good example, he ask nicely and he get the best treatment. Of course for non-Seniors, just pay a nominal fee of US$20 and get the PMs so that you can PM us. Please do not jammed up the board space by posting "Coming into Shanghai for XXX..." and expect us to post you an answer on the board, this again is a wastage of board space.
AG
BTW: GS, I am AG not AC. :D
Ace Gallant
04-15-07, 20:34
The Shanghai Gang have the pleasure to bring Newbie: GermanSurviver to the Famous Pub.
As reported earlier, there was some renovation done in which the original signage was taken off the front door. It is replace with the big 1771 sign. I attached here the photo of the front door for easy idenfication. Also if you notice, the small sign on the right side of the door (Arrowed in the photo) Reads in Chinese "Members Club".
In the other photo, is the bunch, who visited the Pub. Check out where GS (the guy on the left side of the Photo) eyes are looking! :)
AG
Hey! Is this a coincident or what? Its my post #1771 and I am posting about this pub with the address 1771???
Don't think it's uncommon, I've had hookers refuse money before - but usually it's because they want something more.
That's right, IF she is refusing his money it's because she is looking for a larger gain. But maybe her plan never worked out. Maybe she couldn't get him to give her what she wanted, like a wedding ring, or thinks he doesn't have much money, so she has now invented a HIV story as her way of getting rid of him?
Or maybe it's a sympathy scam and she is now trying to get him to give her money?
So, I think either Dadidi is bullshiting us or she is bullshiting him.
Santa the Cynical Skeptic.
Neuromancer
04-16-07, 01:10
Sort of a belated question. Was up in Shanghai a few weekends ago. Not sure why I suddenly thought to ask this question.
Across from that complex which houses Muse (at Yuyao Lu and Xikang? Lu), there is a KTV at the corner and a couple of shops a couple doors down. These two shops look like BBS', but one of the shops, the girls looked to be dressed in KTV type of outfits and the quality on the looks scale appeared to be on par with KTVs. I also noticed a local-looking guy hop into the shop and quickly leave. If I remember correctly, he went into the KTV after leaving.
So my question is, is this shop is a BBS or perhaps it is a "staging" area for the KTV? It would seem extremely unusual (to me anyway) that the KTV would use a room outside of the building and in such plain view as a holding area for the girls. But then, the girls in the shop didn't seem like the typical BBS girls, though admittedly, I'm not a frequent BBS visitor (never actually).
GermanSurviver
04-16-07, 04:06
What a first Night in Sh,
I met the AC(now right? )and some of the Shanghai Gang, he shows me some nameless Bars (sorry I forgot all the Names), maybe it was to much Gin Tonic and the Jet Lag.
At last I was in the Manhatten Bar packed with pretty nice Girls.
BTW. I speak with the "Blond, tall, huge Breast" One. I don't try her/him but I'm not sure if She is an He or not.
I'm courios what comes next this Night with the Gang again.
I'm sure a lot of Fun and of course some Gin Tonic.
GS
Gualtier Malde
04-16-07, 04:16
Lao Ma, if you have the info on the provider who is now potentially spreading HIV, please post it immediately. Don't wait for Dadadidi. The information is too important.
GM
[QUOTE=Lao Ma]Dada, or Mr. Didi, has written me 3 private messages. Really only one long one broken up in to 3 parts. With some basic details about his HIV positive girlfriend.
I've told him to post the same basic message he sent me to the Shanghai board, or else I will for him. QUOTE]
It's "Dadadidi, " "da" for "big" and "didi" for "little brother" (penis), learn some Mandarin or Shanghaiese, you're in China now.
I PM'd Lao Ma as he requested and asked him not to share it, but now he threatens to post my PMs anyway unless I do. I think this is a violation of the rules here, and if they do I ask the moderator to delete and block the posters.
He gives the reason that I said I had "the full knowledge that someone you know, with a phone number you have, is sperading HIV. " That is not true. I know I do not have HIV, I have no idea about you or anyone else, without some documentation. I do believe that somebody I know has HIV and is a massage provider in Shanghai. But I cannot prove that she has HIV (what do you want me to do, what piece of paper do you think I have, do you think this is Amsterdam's system? ), and obviously there is nothing that I can do to prevent her from working as MP (do you seriously think I should call the police, are you crazy, I am trying my best to cooperate with the authorities, I'm not the ISG police). Also, I cannot prevent you from getting HIV, that is up to you, but I do not believe she is actually spreading HIV. I believe we all have a serious problem and need to move beyond the denial and hysteria stage and discuss it, but I see that this forum is useless and so I leave.
What I can do is share some information. If you don't believe it, I really don't give a damn, you can waste the forum's time arguing about whether Chinese hookers are just out for money or not, get a life please. Just keep me out of it, I have no axe to grind.
The girl in question calls herself Annie or Lucy and was working for Eden Massage, 13818322139. She doesn't work for KTv but used to, she has a nice voice and speaks pretty good English, A cup, long black hair, tall, beautiful, doesn't like getting naked or sex, but is the greatest at the profession, from Harbin. Now are you satisfied?
I go on to say that all the "massage" companies that advertise in Shanghai Daily, to my knowledge, and elsewhere are likely interconnected, just different phone numbers, there is some competition but often girls work for many companies, sometimes at the same time, not all of them speak English well, so the ones that do can employ stables of Chinese MP to work for them in turn. They often give out their mobile numbers, but often get new SIMs also. So they develop repeat customers of their own. They have computers and notebooks and take down your personal information and maybe later you will regret it. I have nothing personal against any company, this is a big business, probably with police protection, I told Lao Ma I might be in danger somehow. I just don't like the image of Westerners exploiting Chinese, it's really not a free market any more than the East Nanjing Road touts.
So it's no point focussing on one of them, you have to look at the whole picture. Call Eden and they will deny having an Annie or Lucy, or maybe tell you there are several Annies, which do you want, can you describe her, no, she's just like the others, very beautiful, speaks good English, what do you want, HJ, BJ, FS, how much, how do you know you get the one you ask for?
Annie or Lucy will give you massage, HJ, BJ, but not sex. She can't, not just because she is HIV positive. She has great pelvic pain (are you going to doubt that too? ) as well as a smelly vaginal infection, with HIV she is susceptible to such infections. So if you are willing to pay her the right price for FS she will call one of her beautiful Chinese proteges and help to oblige you, then take half for herself. Maybe the third girl also has HIV, you see what I mean?
Now, these beautiful, English-speaking masseuses naturally go for where the money is, let's say 3, 000 RMB a night, mostly Americans. These guys are stupid (at least ignorant of ISG) and innocent but rich by SH standards. They can afford to offer so much money for BB sex that some MP will go along. So you can see what happens. I don't think my GF did, incidentally, or I think it was before we met.
Aside from BBFS or anal, the more sex partners you have the more risk of HIV/AIDS. The risk also increases with the prevalence, which right now is increasing exponentially in SH.
If you want BBBJ I don't think you will get HIV from Annie or Lucy or anybody, I have seen zero medical confirmation of this, however you might choose CBJ to avoid the other bad infections, some of which are rampant now in SH too.
Lao Ma accuses me of leaving the country and leaving you guys with the problem. Sorry, I am breaking up with my GF even if she did not have HIV, I have done my best to cooperate with the public health authorities here, the economics are unfavorable to getting the SP from spreading disease and this is a police state, I have always tried to tell the truth, I didn't give anybody HIV or get it, I've always tried to respect women, treat them fairly, many Chinese wives manage their family's finances and keep the ATM card so the husband can't spend it on other women, but most men have some pocket money anyway, and I never took any money from a prostitute and she never took anything from me except the first time, or 200 RMB for food she cooked for us, or dinners I bought, she's not asking for money now at all, there is sex and there is love and sometimes together or not, she realizes she can't go to America, she has to keep working, she's not a rich American. If you don't believe me who cares. You guys will continue to enjoy yourself I'm sure but I'm disappointed I can't have a full life here.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Is it possible that the story was invented by Dadidi? To teach a morality lesson and frighten sinners away from their hobby?
I have no idea, only guessing.
Bad Boy Billy
04-16-07, 09:39
What a first Night in Sh,
I met the AC(now right? )and some of the Shanghai Gang, he shows me some nameless Bars (sorry I forgot all the Names), maybe it was to much Gin Tonic and the Jet Lag.
At last I was in the Manhatten Bar packed with pretty nice Girls.
BTW. I speak with the "Blond, tall, huge Breast" One. I don't try her/him but I'm not sure if She is an He or not.
I'm courios what comes next this Night with the Gang again.
I'm sure a lot of Fun and of course some Gin Tonic.
GS
"She" is definitely a "He".
Ladyboy from Thailand - do not believe her crap story about being a Kazak porn star - total crap - "He" does some great business though - most popular "GIRL" in Judys.
Ace Gallant
04-16-07, 10:02
What a first Night in Sh,
I met the AC(now right? )and some of the Shanghai Gang, he shows me some nameless Bars (sorry I forgot all the Names), maybe it was to much Gin Tonic and the Jet Lag.
At last I was in the Manhatten Bar packed with pretty nice Girls.
BTW. I speak with the "Blond, tall, huge Breast" One. I don't try her/him but I'm not sure if She is an He or not.
I'm courios what comes next this Night with the Gang again.
I'm sure a lot of Fun and of course some Gin Tonic.
GS
Hahaha..... I cannot leave you alone to stay out of trouble can I?
Those Nameless Bars are in short "TRL" Tong Ren Lu Bars and you also forgotten about the 1771 Pub already?
Finally; That Blond Tall, 40D breast "girl" like what BBBilly said is a HE. That is the same girl that Gualtier Malde mentioned while we were in the Blue Angels.
More fun tonight! Be prepared you can run but you cannot hide! hmm hmm hmm hahahaha!
AG
BTW: No, its AG not AC, you still got it wrong!
Hey man, don't be such a drama queen - you brought this whole ordeal on yourself. Anyone here - including the most senior poster of the senior posters - posts a story like you did, and I'm gonna call that guy on it. Something smells here, and as Santa has suggested, perhaps you are just laying a moral trip on us.
Moral cops suck.
You did exactly what I requested you to do, post details about your so-called girlfriend who you claim has HIV. Thanks, I am satisfied. Now go home. As you told me, your life is in danger here - and don't forget, as you also told me, her mom used to be a big shot in the local party. They may be outside your door right now !
[ I do believe that somebody I know has HIV and is a massage provider in Shanghai. But I cannot prove that she has HIV ]
I have heard so many bullshit stories that I am now always suspicious. Even my best friends sometimes tell me lies.
You don't know if she is being honest with you, right?
Anyway Dadidi, your contributions are welcome.
Question. If she does not do unprotected full service with customers, how did she get HIV? Is she using needles for drugs? Maybe she is lying to you?
Shanghai Noon #2
04-16-07, 16:17
Hey Guys,
Let's get away from those serious discussion and think of something of levity. Namely, I am proposing that we have a KTV club setup to enable senior members to go to KTV clubs and have our pick of the best KTV girls. Since KTVs are not cost effective for a single member I propose that we setup a kind of get together of several members so that we could get 3 or 4 members together and share in the room costs and just each pay our lady her 300RMB. For example let's say the room minimum is 1300RMB(of course with 1 or 2 whiskeys) and the Xiaomei(waitress pouring drinks) 200RMB then the room cost comes to 1500RMB.Amortized over 3 guys this comes to 500RMB for the room and drinks and then 300RMB for the girl. 800RMB and you get a crack at a 8 or 9 girl for all night.Of course that could be 1,500RMB or 2,000RMB additional for the ST or LT cost(depending on your negotiation skills etc...). The cost is still manageable for a night out. I know that many times I want to go to a KTV, however do not want to lay out 2,100RMB(1500room+ 300tip waitress and + 300 tip girl) just to check out the girls(this is not even including the cost for the short time or long time!).
Anyway, this is just a suggestion so if any members are interested in this arrangement just PM me your contact info (preferably a shanghai cellular #)and I will try to play match maker for the KTVs so that we could always find some guys to go to the KTVs without breaking the bank. It is also more fun and much better chance(strength in numbers!) of picking up a stunner such as a 9 or a 10 going with a group of guys than just as a single guy. :-)
I don't know if there's some kind of epidemic going around, but I believe I caught something at Boduo (see report below). I visited this MP last week and now I am showing symptoms of the clap a week later. Covered up but did have BBBJ - not going to make this mistake again.
I went to look for some doxycycline as suggested in this forum but was turned down by the pharmacy. I was told that this was prescription only. Can someone please provide the Chinese name of this drug? I'm not sure I had the right name. Also, anyone have a pharmacy that will supply it?
As for Boduo itself - it is as described. Probably one of the larger MP's i've been too. I did not enjoy the Soapland-style at all. I just did not enjoy this place or the experience. I prefer the separate shower and tub, and you go into the room for a massage. The inflatable bed and in-room shower did not do it for me. I don't remember the girl I chose, I believe it was #49.
If anyone has information on the pharmacies please send it over. Thanks.
Based on Cocoon's report, and because I was in the vicinity of Xujiahui, I decided to try out Boduo before a business meeting. The experience was exactly as described. Boduohuisuo is located next door to a Shi Ji Lian Hua (世纪联华 ). To locate this on the map, look for Xietu Lu. The crossroads are Dapu Lu and Luban Lu. Luban Lu runs below the North-South Highway that splits Shanghai in two. There is a big sign for Boduohuisuo in Chinese out front. Take the furthest most elevator up to the 4th floor. The first set of elevators opens up onto an electronic games arcade.
Once inside, they usher you into a room where you change. As described, when you are ready, they take you into another room where you can view all the pretty girls. I picked a short girl with big boobs. Once inside the room, you immediately strip. She gives you a bath, then you lie down on the air mattress and she rubs herself all over you. Next, you clean up, and adjourn to the main room where she'll slurp water all over your body and do the red rope trick. She whipped out two vibrators. One was shaped like a small mouse, which I could use to plug any hole in her body. The other was a longer vibrator which she offerred to plug into my butt (I declined nicely!). We made love on the massage table, on top of the red rope, and on top of a bouncy Pilates ball. By the way, one other little thing she did was to place a condom on my big toe; I could then insert my toe into her vagina while getting a BJ! @!!;-)??!@ Needless to say, this was a lot of fun.
Cost was more than what I expected at 780RMB. But I think I'll be bringing my friends here again. I talked a lot with my girl, and she said they get a lot of people coming at night now. Though they don't speak English, they don't mind foreigners at all.
Also, great site on xocat.com. When I get a chance, I'll try to translate all of that into English for the rest of us.
Nightwing.
Shanghai Noon #2
04-16-07, 18:29
I don't know if there's some kind of epidemic going around, but I believe I caught something at Boduo (see report below). I visited this MP last week and now I am showing symptoms of the clap a week later. Covered up but did have BBBJ - not going to make this mistake again.
I went to look for some doxycycline as suggested in this forum but was turned down by the pharmacy. I was told that this was prescription only. Can someone please provide the Chinese name of this drug? I'm not sure I had the right name. Also, anyone have a pharmacy that will supply it?
As for Boduo itself - it is as described. Probably one of the larger MP's i've been too. I did not enjoy the Soapland-style at all. I just did not enjoy this place or the experience. I prefer the separate shower and tub, and you go into the room for a massage. The inflatable bed and in-room shower did not do it for me. I don't remember the girl I chose, I believe it was #49.
If anyone has information on the pharmacies please send it over. Thanks.
Unfortunately, the Chinese is beginning to control the antibiotics dispensing at the pharmacy now. I tried one strategy that worked for me before which is to show an old box of the antibiotics to the Pharmacist. In that case, they just kind of waved their hands and gave me the medicine. This is China, they could do anything, as long as it conforms to their own strange sense of logic. Based on what I am hearing on this forum, I might be more cautious in my mongering here. It does seem to be something going around. I think it might be time for me to go to BKK and give that a try. Or else, maybe stay with a lower traffic venue (such as KTV) to get my service provider. Most of the BBS or Sauna girls service 6 or seven guys a day which would increase the possibility of contracting something. Whereas the KTV girls might sleep with 1 guy a day(if she is lucky!) Most of the time the KTV girl is just sitting around, that is why the overnight cost is higher for the KTV girl. She usually only gets pay from one customer rather than from eight or ten guys.
Tango Foxtwo
04-16-07, 21:13
Hey Guys,
Let's get away from those serious discussion and think of something of levity. Namely, I am proposing that we have a KTV club setup to enable senior members to go to KTV clubs and have our pick of the best KTV girls. Since KTVs are not cost effective for a single member I propose that we setup a kind of get together of several members so that we could get 3 or 4 members together and share in the room costs and just each pay our lady her 300RMB. For example let's say the room minimum is 1300RMB(of course with 1 or 2 whiskeys) and the Xiaomei(waitress pouring drinks) 200RMB then the room cost comes to 1500RMB.Amortized over 3 guys this comes to 500RMB for the room and drinks and then 300RMB for the girl. 800RMB and you get a crack at a 8 or 9 girl for all night.Of course that could be 1,500RMB or 2,000RMB additional for the ST or LT cost(depending on your negotiation skills etc...). The cost is still manageable for a night out. I know that many times I want to go to a KTV, however do not want to lay out 2,100RMB(1500room+ 300tip waitress and + 300 tip girl) just to check out the girls(this is not even including the cost for the short time or long time!).
Anyway, this is just a suggestion so if any members are interested in this arrangement just PM me your contact info (preferably a shanghai cellular #)and I will try to play match maker for the KTVs so that we could always find some guys to go to the KTVs without breaking the bank. It is also more fun and much better chance(strength in numbers!) of picking up a stunner such as a 9 or a 10 going with a group of guys than just as a single guy. :-)Last month, Rab Hay. Me and a guy from Norway visited one. Had a good time. Count me in. I just came into town last Saturday. Will be in till Sunday. I can only do it 20th or the 21st.
I hear that 151 club got a lot more raunchy. And more girls willing. Who can speak english. PM me and I'll send my SH phone number.
Member #2924
04-16-07, 21:51
Can anyone tell me where I might find a high concentration of Russian/Eastern European girls? Do they hang out at certain bars?
Also, can anyone tell me if BATS in the Shangri La is a good bar to go for girls?
Thanks for the help!!
I'm up for an orgy anytime, as long as we all BAG it and SHAG it :)
Ace Gallant
04-17-07, 05:01
Another evening of Shanghai mongering orientation for GermanSurviver. Initially we wanted to show him the Red Ropes. But upon reaching the Shanghai Hotel Gualtier Malde and I decided that may be we should bring our Newbie for a Hunt. So we walked to down the road to a near by Sauna in which may had been reported some time back on the board. The Sauna with the "Fish Bowl".
It was a busy night for them as there were only about 7 girls working but lots of customers in the queue. This is a soap land (Not Red Ropes) but they wash you down nicely. The Manager told me that on an average day, they will have about 20 girls working + 2 Foot Massage girls. There are 22 Massage rooms with attached bath rooms and 8 resting rooms (holding room for customer to wait before viewing the girls in the "Fish Bowl". Both GM and I were curious on whether the girls will be able to see us from inside the "Fish Bowl" and we did a personal inspection from inside the "Fish bowl" only to find the truth is that is a one side Mirror in which they totally cannot see us, unless while inside the viewing room, you decide to light your Cigarette holding the lighter close to your face!
While resting in the resting room after the services, both GM and I agreed that we prefer the service of other Saunas to this one, especially those with Red Rope. Nothing bad about this Saunas but, because there are too many items in the to-do list for the girls, they tend to rush into doing every item in rush. Both of us prefer the more GFE type of Sauna.
The girls I had is a Original Shanghainese, kind of rare for a Sauna girl. I’ll will leave Newbie; GS to report the details of this Sauna. For those who had been there, the attached photos will give you a hint on which Sauna is this.
After the Sauna, GM, headed back for his hotel while, GS and I headed to TRL for a couple of drinks and cuddling up with the girls at the Blue Angels. Tonight, another night of Orientation!
AG
Bad Boy Billy
04-17-07, 07:20
Can anyone tell me where I might find a high concentration of Russian/Eastern European girls? Do they hang out at certain bars?
Also, can anyone tell me if BATS in the Shangri La is a good bar to go for girls?
Thanks for the help!!
There are 3 or 4 Russian girls working Manhattan and Judys on Tongren Lu - not cheap though - Anna a brunette provides excellent service but it will cost you RMB2,000 at least.
There is one little Russian doll who works Judys who will only do short time and wants RMB2,000 for it - way too much.
I have been quoted up to RMB3,500 all night in Manhattan - can you spend that much?
Attica has 3 or 4 Russians - nowhere near the number of Russians in Shanghai as there is in Beijing - and much more expensive in Sh.
Gualtier Malde
04-17-07, 09:44
Another evening of Shanghai mongering orientation for GermanSurviver.
AG
Definitely had a blast for the last two days with GermanSurviver and AG, but I have to say that the soapland style at that one on Urumuqi Lu is just too clinical for me. Maybe its just me, but I prefer the Shanghai Sauna.
The staff there is excellent, waiting on you hand and foot while you wait for your opportunity, and the girls seem cute. So if you like that sort of thing, go for it.
GM
Gualtier Malde
04-17-07, 09:57
Unfortunately, the Chinese is beginning to control the antibiotics dispensing at the pharmacy now. I tried one strategy that worked for me before which is to show an old box of the antibiotics to the Pharmacist. In that case, they just kind of waved their hands and gave me the medicine.
I travel with a doctor-prescribed set of antibiotics and pain killers, which allows me to self medicate in a travel emergency situation. [His best advice to me about receiving medical treatment in China was this: if you get sick, don't go to the hospital, go to the airport, and get your treatment back in the US! :-) ]
Anyway, I have been out of Zithro for a long time (used the prescription for an upper respiratory infection back in the states), and had been planning to ask him for a refill next time I happened to have the time. Then I found out from a friend, and here, at the same time, that you can get antibiotics here directly from the pharmacies.
I checked it out and sure enough, there was Pfizer azithromycin, in zpack dosage, available over the counter. I was able to purchase it with no question. I just went in, wrote the name of what I wanted (the technical name, not the brand name) and got it.
I haven't taken it (don't need it), but I inspected it and it certainly looks like a legitimate product carrying a pfizer brand. Of course, this is China, and I may be disappointed if I ever need to take it. But it is now in my kit, as an option if I start feeling sick in a way that zithro can fix. Worst case, I'll climb on that airplane and get the real stuff from the doc.
By the way, I saw all sorts of antibiotics at that counter. Amoxicillin, Ciprofloxacin, and about 5 others that I'm less familiar with. I'm sure they have whatever you need. I also saw Cialis, but didn't want to try it - got plenty of the real stuff for my own needs.
This particular pharmacy is a big one on Huashan Rd across from the Jing An Temple (corner of Yuyuan Lu and Huashan lu). They also have a sex shop (vibrators, other sex toys) on an upper floor.
GM
Ace Gallant
04-17-07, 10:29
There are 3 or 4 Russian girls working Manhattan and Judys on Tongren Lu - not cheap though - Anna a brunette provides excellent service but it will cost you RMB2,000 at least.
There is one little Russian doll who works Judys who will only do short time and wants RMB2,000 for it - way too much.
Just be careful not to mistake one of the ladyboys in Judy's as one of the Russian!
:D
AG
I have been in Shanghai for about 1 week. I have been to the Merrylin and hooked up with a pro in the I-Bar at the Intercontinental. I Read the Forum and found a posting for Waves with the street name hence I could probably find it. That said I searched for the address for the "Pub" and yet I have no clue where that is really. Now the difference between here and Beijing is someone was nice enough to post a street map with Maggies on it making it easy to find. Locations like the hard rock etc are easy to find in Beijing so no assistance was needed.
1. Is there a ISG group mongering this week that is open to another member joining them?
2. Are the addresses for some of the places in Shanghai posted and I kust missed them?
Thanks.
Also, can anyone tell me if BATS in the Shangri La is a good bar to go for girls?BATS used to be great, but last 2 times I checked there were nothing there just a lot of "balls". That was 3-4 month ago, but probably still the same. If they got rid of the hookers they made a mistake imho.
Shanghai Noon #2
04-17-07, 13:33
I travel with a doctor-prescribed set of antibiotics and pain killers, which allows me to self medicate in a travel emergency situation. [His best advice to me about receiving medical treatment in China was this: if you get sick, don't go to the hospital, go to the airport, and get your treatment back in the US! :-) ]
Anyway, I have been out of Zithro for a long time (used the prescription for an upper respiratory infection back in the states), and had been planning to ask him for a refill next time I happened to have the time. Then I found out from a friend, and here, at the same time, that you can get antibiotics here directly from the pharmacies.
I checked it out and sure enough, there was Pfizer azithromycin, in zpack dosage, available over the counter. I was able to purchase it with no question. I just went in, wrote the name of what I wanted (the technical name, not the brand name) and got it.
I haven't taken it (don't need it), but I inspected it and it certainly looks like a legitimate product carrying a pfizer brand. Of course, this is China, and I may be disappointed if I ever need to take it. But it is now in my kit, as an option if I start feeling sick in a way that zithro can fix. Worst case, I'll climb on that airplane and get the real stuff from the doc.
By the way, I saw all sorts of antibiotics at that counter. Amoxicillin, Ciprofloxacin, and about 5 others that I'm less familiar with. I'm sure they have whatever you need. I also saw Cialis, but didn't want to try it - got plenty of the real stuff for my own needs.
This particular pharmacy is a big one on Huashan Rd across from the Jing An Temple (corner of Yuyuan Lu and Huashan lu). They also have a sex shop (vibrators, other sex toys) on an upper floor.
GM
I agree with you 100% on that advice. If I have anything I would hightail it out of China on the next flight and go to Thailand. Bumrungrad Hospital in Bangkok is the best hospital in this area. I do have full health insurance in the U.S., however the cost of my co-pay in the U.S would pay for the doctor fees in Bumrungrad.
Zythromax is 500 baht(~$15) in Thailand. I took it 3 years ago and it worked great for upper respiratory infection. I have been taking Avelox(from Bayer) for the same type of things here. Supposedly Avelox is 3rd generation and more effective. I don't know about that, it does seem to work well. It's funny you mentioned that pharmacy since when they first instituted the restriction on dispensing antibiotics here couple of years ago. That big pharmacy actually hired a doctor(more like an ah-yi:-) to prescribe the medicine to circumvent the law. She would ask you what you wanted and as long as you could show her exactly what you wanted, she would write out a LEGAL prescription and you would pay at the counter with the slip. :-) Only in China! ;-)
Hi,
I'm new here. I arrive in Shanghai. Can somebody tell me if there some nude ktv, whats happend inside etc., etc., and where find it?
Also some soapy addresses.
Thanks guys
Unknown One
04-17-07, 21:08
Can anyone tell me where I might find a high concentration of Russian/Eastern European girls? Do they hang out at certain bars?
Also, can anyone tell me if BATS in the Shangri La is a good bar to go for girls?
Thanks for the help!!
Dont come to Shanghai to find Russian girls, go to the north. Beijing has alot I hear but expensive, if you go to Northeast like Haerbin, its half the price. If you go further out, its half that price.
all the HK phramacies that sell Cialis and Viagra also sell zithromax - it's dirt cheap there, I think it's something like 50 HK $ for the 6 pack. While it's gret for STD's it's even better for me for respirtory tract infections, which I got at least once a year living in the Big Smoke (BJ). My doctor in BJ waned me however that taking antibiotics more than 4 times a year greatly increases the chance you'll develope resistance.
Would one of the other fine gentleman on the board please tell Lu Laoshan to read the fuc%$! forum - ?
.... your wish shall be my command.
Lu Laosha, read the f*cking Forum!
Levitian
Ace Gallant
04-18-07, 02:18
I agree with you 100% on that advice. If I have anything I would hightail it out of China on the next flight and go to Thailand. Bumrungrad Hospital in Bangkok is the best hospital in this area. I do have full health insurance in the U.S., however the cost of my co-pay in the U.S would pay for the doctor fees in Bumrungrad.
Zythromax is 500 baht(~$15) in Thailand. I took it 3 years ago and it worked great for upper respiratory infection. I have been taking Avelox(from Bayer) for the same type of things here. Supposedly Avelox is 3rd generation and more effective. I don't know about that, it does seem to work well. It's funny you mentioned that pharmacy since when they first instituted the restriction on dispensing antibiotics here couple of years ago. That big pharmacy actually hired a doctor(more like an ah-yi:-) to prescribe the medicine to circumvent the law. She would ask you what you wanted and as long as you could show her exactly what you wanted, she would write out a LEGAL prescription and you would pay at the counter with the slip. :-) Only in China! ;-)
Try a little nearer....Shanghai does have good clinics and hospital run by the foreigners.
If all fails ...Hong Kong has good hospitals too.
AG
Herr Pollon
04-18-07, 04:52
There are 3 or 4 Russian girls working Manhattan and Judys on Tongren Lu - not cheap though - Anna a brunette provides excellent service but it will cost you RMB2,000 at least.
There is one little Russian doll who works Judys who will only do short time and wants RMB2,000 for it - way too much.
I have been quoted up to RMB3,500 all night in Manhattan - can you spend that much?
Attica has 3 or 4 Russians - nowhere near the number of Russians in Shanghai as there is in Beijing - and much more expensive in Sh.I was asked for 3500RMB for the whole night at park97. Too expensive.
That 2000 you mention is for one shot or the whole night. I was with a (fake, probably from kazajastan) Russian from tong ren lu for 1000 for one shot.
BTW if you try on Sundays or Mondays it might be cheaper.
Gualtier Malde
04-18-07, 07:19
Hi,
I'm new here. I arrive in Shanghai. Can somebody tell me if there some nude ktv, whats happend inside etc., etc., and where find it?
Also some soapy addresses.
Thanks guys
There are nude KTVs, and what happens inside is that the girls take their clothes off. Where to find it? In Shanghai.
Soapy addresses? They were washing down Beijing Lu the other night, I think most of the addresses along that stretch got pretty soapy as a result. I guess you could go check it out, if you are into that sort of thing...
:-)
GM
Gualtier Malde
04-18-07, 07:22
It's funny you mentioned that pharmacy since when they first instituted the restriction on dispensing antibiotics here couple of years ago. That big pharmacy actually hired a doctor(more like an ah-yi:-) to prescribe the medicine to circumvent the law. She would ask you what you wanted and as long as you could show her exactly what you wanted, she would write out a LEGAL prescription and you would pay at the counter with the slip. :-) Only in China! ;-)
That's exactly how it happened there! I didn't even think about it at the time. I thought the woman came up to help because she saw I was a westerner, and understood a little english. Turns out she did exactly as you said. I didn't realize she was a doctor writing a prescription!
GM
Ace Gallant
04-18-07, 08:19
That's exactly how it happened there! I didn't even think about it at the time. I thought the woman came up to help because she saw I was a westerner, and understood a little english. Turns out she did exactly as you said. I didn't realize she was a doctor writing a prescription!
GM
This only works if you are non-Locals. If you are Asia looking, most of the time they will ask for your foreign passport. And if it is in one of those 24 hours pharmacy the doctor only work from 9am to 6 pm. So after 6, they will tell you that you need a prescription. For the locals, they normally will ask you to consult a doctor (not the one working inside the pharmacy) for a prescription.
I've heard of several members who are ABC, CBC telling me that they ha trouble even buying Cialis or Vigara after 6pm.
Enjoy!
AG
Albert Punter
04-18-07, 12:33
Lu Laosha,
Don't listen to this guy.
Do a f*cking search instead !!!
Newbies, please understand how to use the many features of this forum, and help us in helping you.
.... your wish shall be my command.
Lu Laosha, read the f*cking Forum!
Levitian
Albert Punter
04-18-07, 13:16
2. Are the addresses for some of the places in Shanghai posted and I kust missed them?
Yes, they are.
Go here http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=556252&postcount=7756
and you will find many.
As far as Pub is concerned, apparently now it changed its name into 1771, which obviously is number in the street, which is also available in this thread (AG was so kind to post a picture of the entrance yesterday).
Bad Boy Billy
04-18-07, 13:58
I was asked for 3500RMB for the whole night at park97. Too expensive.
That 2000 you mention is for one shot or the whole night. I was with a (fake, probably from kazajastan) Russian from tong ren lu for 1000 for one shot.
BTW if you try on Sundays or Mondays it might be cheaper.
Mate
Was the 'fake' Russian from Kazajastan that you had for 1000 for one shot a tall blonde with huge titts and wearing extremely skimpy clothing?
Did you pick her up in Judys on Tongren Lu?
Bad Boy Billy
04-18-07, 14:01
Just be careful not to mistake one of the ladyboys in Judy's as one of the Russian!
:D
AGLooks like somebody did.
Actually there are currently 7 ladyboys plying there trade in Judys and Manhattan.
Caveat Emptor (Let the buyer beware)
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I often see requests for places to go in Pudong. But when I RTFF I see only a few places mentioned. Here is a new area that is definitely English friendly and I have never seen or heard of on the forum.
A couple weeks ago - had to stay out in Pudong on business. Stayed at the Crowne Plaza on Yanggao Road.
Took a walk around the block and noticed several bars with working girls, BBS, and MP. Was also solicited on the street by an ISP within 1 minute of walking out the hotel door.
There is a hotel across the street called Shanghai Waigaoqiao Free Trade Zone Hotel that has a spa inside. Cost 200RMB for a 1-1 massage. It was made very clear to me that extras are negotiable directly with the provider. Also since services vary with provider, no guarantees beyond HJ walking in.
I was attending a meeting with a large contingent of co-workers. I figured it was better to be discreet than walk into the spa and see my boss or the HR manager. So I hopped a taxi back to Puxi for a beer and a BJ at the Pub.
Actually, upon reflection that might have been more awkward for my boss than me - maybe provide some leverage for my next round of evaluations!!! Ha - wouldn't that be a hoot!
Some of you are paying 1000 short-time and up to 3500 long-time to have sex with russian men dressed up like women? Is that correct?
Do you pimpslap your ho when you're finished, or do you kiss him on the cheek? :D
What the fuck...
Member #2924
04-18-07, 16:56
Guys,
Thanks for the tips regarding Russians and update on BATS in Shangri La. I think I'll avoid the Russian scene. It doesn't sound as good as the one in BKK.
Mentioning the ladyboys gives me the shivers. I thought these were just in BKK. Now they are in Shanghai. What's this world coming to?
Ace Gallant
04-18-07, 17:35
Out again with the Gang and guest, Shanghai Noon #2 and GermanSurvivor. Nothing much to report as basically me were just bar hopping from one to another at TRL.
However we finally figuare out a perfect thing to do for initiation newbies into the Shanghai gang!
Instructions:
1) There is this bar called XTASEA at TRL.
2) Go and get done by Peggy.
If you are able ti survive that without trhowing out..... You pass the first initiation test!
Enjoy!
AG
Ace Gallant
04-18-07, 17:40
.... your wish shall be my command.
Lu Laosha, read the f*cking Forum!
Levitian
Come on guys.... be nice to newbies....!
LLS.... try this link, it will work for you...
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/search.php?
Enjoy!
AG
Herr Pollon
04-18-07, 18:54
Mate
Was the 'fake' Russian from Kazajastan that you had for 1000 for one shot a tall blonde with huge titts and wearing extremely skimpy clothing?
Did you pick her up in Judys on Tongren Lu?(Don´t know why I am afraid to answer) Yes
Herr Pollon
04-18-07, 19:22
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Buck Tooth
04-18-07, 21:48
For those of you in west Shanghai, between Jizhen Lu and Wanzhen Lu, on Qingyu Lu is a BBS. It's the only BBS on the block, with three massage/sauna places in the vicinity.
Walked past the front door and noticed what looked to be attractive women, and decided to walk in. About five bored and sleepy looking women were sitting there watching TV or dozing off, I asked for a massage but didn't choose since all of them were 4-6 in looks.
One of the sixes came with me into a small room, and was quoted 50 RMB for a massage. When I started taking off my clothes, she asked if I wanted the OIL massage, to which I replied in the affirmative. That'll be 100 RMB she says. Fine. Strip, gives decent massage considering the location. The walls in the place don't full reach the ceiling, so I was listening in a best as I could to the client in the next stall over.
The oily massage spent quite a bit of time doing the butt, flipped and starts playing with 'lil buddy while kissing my nipples and ears. I start playing with her, though she's slightly reluctant to let me unhook her bra or do any other than touch.
When she gets 'lil buddy all nice and excited, she tells me that this place doesn't do BJs or FS. Fine. She then asks for 300 RMB to finish 'lil buddy. Knowing what I know from the forum, I tell her no way, and that the 100 RMB includes the happy-ending. About five-minutes worth of her asking for more money in sums that become less and less, she realizes I'm not going to budge, and finishes the job.
Her demeanour did change a little when she didn't give more cash, but whatever. I did tip her 20 RMB since I may go back, and better to get the relationship off on the right foot.
Overall I wasn't too impressed with the BBS experience. Tiny and dingy stall. No sense of privacy or comfort in that place, and it felt rushed. Worse of all, I stunk of slightly scented oil afterwards, even though I was rubbed down with a cloth.
I've been to saunas that offer oil rubs for about 100 RMB and another 100 RMB for a handjob finish. My last experience, at a place just at the end of the block from the BBS, provided an almost GFE in a decent room, and I could shower afterwards.
Buck Tooth
Bad Boy Billy
04-18-07, 23:17
(Don´t know why I am afraid to answer) Yes
Just read Admins notes on my last post so I have had to delete what I initially wrote.
OK I am almost 100% sure that what you thought was a blonde russian lady may not have actually been so.
I think you can work it out from there.
You are not the first to be deceived nor will you be the last.
I sincerely think that the management at both Judys and Manhattan bar on Tongren Lu should revise there practices on thisd subject.
Be warned guys - be safe guys - choose wisely.
Bad Boy Billy
04-18-07, 23:26
Some of you are paying 1000 short-time and up to 3500 long-time to have sex with russian men dressed up like women? Is that correct?
Do you pimpslap your ho when you're finished, or do you kiss him on the cheek? :D
What the fuck...
Santa yes you are correct there is some deceptive practices going on in Tongren Lu
BUT
There are also genuine Russian girls working there too.
There are one or two gems who know exactly what they can charge and do so.
I took one myself in early April - she was a fantastic provider - I will repeat in early May at the first opportunity.
More expensive than I normally pay out of Hollywood in Beijing - but it was a total GFE - which I do not get from Hollywood - and isn't that what we all want?
At those prices I think I should get into that line of work.
My russian accent isn't very good, but I'd look good with lipstick, mini-skirt and red boots. I'll have to wear a baggy t-shirt to hide my beerbelly, but you guys probably wouldn't notice.
1000rmb for a quickie, not bad!
If you meet me in a Tongren Lu bar you will know it's me, instead of a lady's drink I'll be asking for a pint! :D
Ace Gallant
04-19-07, 07:27
At those prices I think I should get into that line of work.
My russian accent isn't very good, but I'd look good with lipstick, mini-skirt and red boots. I'll have to wear a baggy t-shirt to hide my beerbelly, but you guys probably wouldn't notice.
1000rmb for a quickie, not bad!
If you meet me in a Tongren Lu bar you will know it's me, instead of a ladies drink I'll be asking for a pint! :D
Speaking of which; as many times as I walked down TRL, Maoming Lu and Ju Lulu, I was amazed by how ugly are some of the SWs. Some of them are fat or/and old (FNO). I don't meant to dis-respect them, but frankly, at that age or with that looks, I think they should be working as domestic maid. But the strange thing is, there are many takers for these FNO girls. I just wonder.... what is it in them that these monger like???
Anyone, any clues?
AG
BTW: Santa, don't be offended, when I say FNO, I don't mean you.....those I am referring to do not have dicks! :D
On my many travels I've seen the worlds ugliest women and dragqueens, hanging out in bars and on street corners, and it's fucking amazing to see them score with guys and make money.
With all the pretty ladies available in Shanghai, why would any guy want to have sex with butt ugly women and russian queers in drag?
I have posted these limericks before but the new readers will like them.
And the ugly one said,
I may be wrinkled and funny
But take me to bed
With a bag on my head
And I'll give you a run for your money.
There was a lady from Kent
Who fucked the landlord for rent
But as she grew older
The landlord grew colder
And now she lives in a tent.
They put into their database i.e. girls just looking for jobs pulled out from Chinese jobservers. There is also listed some KTV's telephone numbers. The photos are usually BOGUS. Waste of money.
AG:
Sure - I can think of 3 reasons:
1. beer goggles
2. thinking with the wrong head
3. american businessmen who are married to older and uglier hags then the streetwalkers - whose wives only give them blowjobs on Christmas, their birthdays, or when they get a raise at work
btw over the last couple weeks there have been 2-3 quite nice looking SW's hanging around the Portman complex and in front of Plaza 66 shopping center.
Ace Gallant
04-20-07, 01:57
AG:
Sure - I can think of 3 reasons:
1. beer goggles
2. thinking with the wrong head
3. american businessmen who are married to older and uglier hags then the streetwalkers - whose wives only give them blowjobs on Christmas, their birthdays, or when they get a raise at work
btw over the last couple weeks there have been 2-3 quite nice looking SW's hanging around the Portman complex and in front of Plaza 66 shopping center.
Hahahahaha........ You are dead right on these....
By the way.... there are a numbers of Xtasea girls getting married to Americans and retire from working in the bars. I knew there are a least 2 of these girls are still fucking around when their husbands are away and 1 of them has a steady boyfriend outside her marriage. So for foreigner and newbies, beware! Don't be a sucker! SNS = Sluts N Suckers!
Oh yes... we pass by Portman these few night and was surprise too! But the fact that I am Asian looking, they did not bother to approach me initially, not until we started speaking English did one of them approach me asking whether we want massage. Anyways the night too young so we just pass...
Enjoy! TGIF!
AG
Ace Gallant
04-20-07, 02:01
They put into their database i.e. girls just looking for jobs pulled out from Chinese jobservers. There is also listed some KTV's telephone numbers. The photos are usually BOGUS. Waste of money.
I had a couple of good nice escorts from that site, at around 300RMB per pop when I first came to Shanghai 4 years ago. But through the years, the quality of girls and information found on that site has deduced from 50% hits to zero. I had abandon the site 3 years ago. But overall..... US$100 for a life time membership for one year usage, that's less than US$8 a month... what the hell???
AG
I had a couple of good nice escorts from that site, at around 300RMB per pop when I first came to Shanghai 4 years ago. But through the years, the quality of girls and information found on that site has deduced from 50% hits to zero. I had abandon the site 3 years ago. But overall. US$100 for a life time membership for one year usage, that's less than US$8 a month. What the hell? AGTime and resources wasted is more of a concern.
Whatdoyouwanttdo
04-20-07, 10:44
Hi all,
Just noticed a new spa that has opened up in pudong not far from my place. It is on the corner of Pudong south rd and Weifeng xi road. Seems to have opened up same time as a new hotel above it (dont remember the name). I went in an checked some prices but no english translation and even though they had someone who spoke english she couldnt or wouldnt give me details as to what they provided. The menu did have a 680rmb option for 100min though.
Anyone tried it yet?
Some postings on Shexpat about $subject:
http://www.shanghaiexpat.com/index.php?name=MDForum&file=viewtopic&t=58855
http://www.shanghaiexpat.com/index.php?name=MDForum&file=viewtopic&t=57128
Gualtier Malde
04-21-07, 00:53
Some postings on Shexpat about $subject:
http://www.shanghaiexpat.com/index.php?name=MDForum&file=viewtopic&t=58855
http://www.shanghaiexpat.com/index.php?name=MDForum&file=viewtopic&t=57128
Have been there just about every day the last week, and I think those two threads may be a bit sensational. Regarding the ATM, man the best advice is never go to an ATM that has beggars and other strangers hanging around. There are plenty of ATMs in areas with no beggars. That advice would be sound anywhere in the world.
Regarding the other fights. I did hear about one fight this past week, but given all the traffic, that seemed to be a pretty isolated incident. I've not observed any gangs, and have not felt threatened at all walking from TRL to/from my hotel.
Like anywhere, always be aware of your surroundings.
By the way, confronting pickpockets in China is NEVER a good idea. They usually operate in teams with "protection" - someone hanging in the background watching their backs, ready to pounce if you lay a hand on them. Usually that someone can readily kick your ass.
Don't keep valuables where the pickpockets can get them. Consider keeping two wallets - one for the pickpockets, and one for your money stashed in a safe location.
GM
Shanghai Noon #2
04-21-07, 01:08
I have received some PMs regarding my KTV group proposal. There are some newbies so I will just do a simple run down of the cost of getting laid in Shanghai. Kind of a "Dummies(that's me) guide to getting laid in Shanghai". :-) This is my description of the various venues and their associated prices. I will describe these venues: KTV, Sauna, BBS and Bar.
KTV:
Well, things are expensive in Shanghai. Especially for the KTV scene, that is the reason for my previous post (forming a KTV group outing, since there is significant economy of scale in the KTV venue), to help allay some of the cost involved. So far, the response is a little slow in that most guys seem to go for the BBS, bar scene more. You should understand that the cost of going to a KTV is about 2k to 3k per room (usually 4 guys including drinks and tip for xiaomei, girl pouring the drinks).
That comes out to be ~800RMB/person just for the room. Plus you have to tip your girl (one you choose to sit with you) another 300RMB. So you are looking at 1,100RMB before you even negotiate for the Fun part. Usually that comes out to be 1,500 - 2,100RMB for ST and LT respectively. So in the best case you are looking at 800RMB(room) + 1,500RMB(ST) = 2,300RMB for 1 pop or 2,900RMB for LT. That is approximately $300 for ST or $375 for LT, U.S DOLLARS! Just on price, this is getting closer to U.S standards since in the U.S (Bay Area) ST is $160 and LT is $500 or more. The main difference between the KTV in Shanghai and the escort scene in the U.S are the selections of girls (in looks and quantity). In the U.S there might be 2 “good” escort girls to choose from, in Shanghai KTV there could be hundreds (not all of them goes out, or if they do they might not want to go with you, so you must check before they sit down. Once the girl has sat down with you for over 15mins, it's 300RMB). Quality of the girls could range from 6 to 10s; usually I end up with 8s. Most KTV girls do not go out with a customer every night so they might not have great service in bed.
SAUNA:
Sauna offers significantly better value than the KTV and in terms of Bang for the buck. The sauna girls' looks wise usually range from 7 to 9s. The facilities are usually very clean and plush (some nicer than others). Basically, you get a girl for 1 hour of FS and the service they provide range from adequate to great (it varies depending on the girl, time of day, alignment of the stars...etc:-). Of course there are details like the type of services, some places specialize in red ropes (acrobatic stuff), or Fire and Ice (variety of BJ), or bathing techniques (some have in room showers and special massage table). Usually the service cost range from 600 - 800 RMB. For the combination of cleanness of facility to quality of service and girls, saunas are still pretty good in my book. To find the ones you like just read the forum. Other mongers have contributed greatly to the advancement of our knowledge on this venue.
BBS:
This is the most economical way to get laid. Of course you do usually get what you paid for. Like Forest Gump says "It's like a box of chocolates, you never know what you gonna get". Quality could range from 5 - 8. I know that usually in BBS I try not to let my bare skin touch any surfaces. There is no hygiene and very little ambiance. The cost also ranges widely; they will try to get as much as possible out of you, some even asking for 500RMB. Usually it is around 200 - 300 RMB for FS.
Bars:
I do not frequent bars so my knowledge is a little sparse on this venue. I think other mongers such as AG have much better knowledge of this venue. I think overnight cost from free lancers could range from 800 - 3,000RMB or more, depending on their quality (in looks and service) to how rich you look or your negotiation skills. This is also the most dangerous of the venue since you are not in a controlled environment and mingling with the general populace of Shanghai (something which I try my best to minimize!). Mixture of drinking high quantity of alcohol and girls could be also be bad for your health. Girls’ quality could range from 1-10.
What I describe is very succinct and only encompasses my understanding of the actions here. As always, when in doubt, read the forum and be careful and considerate of others. You are here to have fun, might as well be nice about it. :-)
Came back to Shanghai after a few months. Lots of things changed (as usual). For my hobby, I headed to Maoming Lu and found my first surprise: Judies closed, Buddah Bar closed. Manhattan is now New York bar. Nothing going on there at all.
So I headed to TongRen Lu. Busy. Lots of girls, but could not find what I was looking for. Probably did not know what I was looking for. Anyway, at 2:00 decided and chated a PI. She agreed for 800RMB all night, but said she still has some blood. So I followed her recommendation for another girl. Big big mistake. Took her to my hotel and got the worst fuck I ever received. Really bad. She immediately wanted to put rubber on, go for it and leave. So, at least I was happy she wanted to leave and me not having to kick her out. Gave her 350 which she did not count. So, I got my first bad PI experience.
Happy hunting, DingDing.
Left Shanghai and returned a few days later. So I wanted to find the famous Village. Descriptions in the forum are quite good, but anyway, here again:
Whuzong Lu, go for the Motel168. A few hundred meters the A20 freeway overpasses the road. Look for the next street (some small passages before) to the right and ask the taxi to go right. Many small car repairs on the left (and right?). Fun starts at the next crossing. Many BBS straight ahead and some more if you turn right.
Lots of the BBS have 15-20 girls, some only a few. I finally decided (too many choices) and asked for takeout. No.
Ok, continue, find another and yes, mammasan is ok with takeout. She does not want to leave.
(what is so wrong with me...?). So pick another on the already agreed rate: 500 till next morning.
Next I pay. Did I say this? I pay in advance? Stupid me!
We take a taxi, she talkes a lot and I do not understand a word. In the room a very nice session.
But the she dresses and wants to leave. Great :-( I tell her what has been agreed using clock and paper, so she obviously knows. Anyway, she wants to leave, so what to do. Mistake was already done paing in advance. Damned I know, where was my brain? Little Willy took over.
I give up and then she even insists to get taxi money? Now I realize that I must look like the most stupid beeing on earth. Get angry, push her out. Was close to call hotel security.
To relax from this, I go to TongRen Lu, find a PI and ask her number for later chances.
Next day, I decide for Happy town. Was past 23:00, so I took a taxi. Asked the driver to translate the Subway station name „Lianhua lu station“ to Chinese and took a cab. To get there, just before the station turn left (coming from city center), pass an under fly and around 800 meter and first crossing to the left.
Another 200m a cluster of BBS on the right. Selected the BBS where you can wound stairs sgoing up. Somehow good choice. Had many girls to pick, but all of them avoiding looks, not smiling, beeing „ashamed“? Ok, pick one which is then happy and up we go. OK rooms, lockable doors. We agree a price of 150RMB and have a very nice session. After this she asks for 300RMB. Something is wrong with Shanghai girls. I already had 200 in my hand, as I wanted to tip her for really good performance. And then this, she bagging, complaing that it was 150 for each hole (mouth and p*ssy) and so on. I get enough, loose my good mood and go down.
Even worse now, she shows the others that she got 200RMB. So the shop now spoiled for me.
Took a normal massage in a normal massage place just a few meter away after that. Everybody very aroused to have a white ape in the shop. Starting from 100RMB (start to annoy me), we finally came to 40RMB. During massage (clothes on) she notices that I have condom in my pocket. Big discussion there. During massage she also tries to figure out the size of my little friend, not to turn me on, I think she was really curious, as she can definitely not a in the business regarding clothes and looks and style of the shop.
Shot a foto of the street sign LianHuaLu and will try to upload it. You can show to the taxi driver on your mobile...
Tried Happy town again, but could not find a girl I like. I think I just head too much chinese food already. This time I passed thesmall bridge above whater and went to the next crossing. Behind this is another cluster of around 10 BBS, some also have loads of girls. But it did not help. Was up to the room with one of which I think she was already a compromise for me. She asks 200 and I say I am only willing to pay 150. She says no, so say I and leave. Not good for me, but for us all.
Another one does not offer FS.
So I decide to go to The Village.Taxi around 35RMB at night. Tell the taxi driver to go to WuZhongLu and he asks where there (I assume, as I cannot speak Chinese). Type A20 into my mobile and he understands.
At the village a lot of girls but also a lot of drunken aggressive Chinese on a Friday night.
I walk down an LE car passes the road. You could really see where this car goes, as all the BBS close, but then immediately open again just seconds later. How can we understand these games?
Ok, find one that has girl I like. Agree 150 with mamasan and go in to take her. Lot of noise as LoaWei comes in. She asks 500 and I indicate that this is nonsense and go outside to mamasan. He is too stupid to understand and manage, so I leave. Actually I must they that this is a difficult place for foreigners.
Anyway, I think there is a nice hotel there very near by. “Art hotel”. Took a business card with map on it and the rack rates: www.haishangshan.com, (tried the web page, but only see a login) +86-21-64216933. Hangdong Lu 278. Could be an option to stay there and could also be used as reference for taxi to be taken to the village. Have no scanner in reach, so I try to add this later.
Rack rate for KingRoom is 240 RMB. Looks clean and well managed from outside and in the lobby. I did not see the rooms.
Cannot make my decision, so walk back Wuzhong Lu (long way to get to the next HJ BBS).
Find one I like and ask the price 300 RMB. I have no sence to negotiate on this level and leave.
Take a taxi back home and pass by a massage place Kita Kazunori in a hotel's 2nd floor at 3am. Actually no way to recognize from outside, but I remember I was there a year ago and it was quite OK. And I needed to shower.
So directly go up, asked if I was there before I say yes and the show starts. Shower, line up, pick and go to private room. The better rooms with private shower and bathroom on 3rd floor to be renovated, but actually these rooms are also ok. The girl good looking. Too good as I find out later.
Catbath, CBJ fire and Ice, but poor. Red rope starting so bad, I ask her to stop. She very happy about this and says thanks. I want to hug her – no. I ant to kiss her nipples – no. I want to kiss her stomach – no. What the hell? So f*cking starts. The ultimate fake moan. I mean, that was so fake, it was a turn off. Finish and leave. The manager asks “Nice girl?” I say no.
Go to pay. Tell them that I am very unhappy. They say next time better girl. I say no next time if like this. No offer from their side to satisfy customer. They just give a shit on it.
They ask 700 RMB. I say I never paid more than 400. No way. Have to pay, feel pissed and go home. Too much money for a f*ck anyway.
Would say: avoid!
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Shanghai Noon #2
04-21-07, 14:26
Well, fellow mongers I have to say that if the last couple of days is any indication of the state of the KTV mongering in Shanghai. It appears to be DEAD. Not many positive responses. Oh well, with KTV girl's sit down fees going to 500RMB in some KTV in Puxi (Puxi economics:-), it is no longer a cost effective avenue for mongering. I think only worth going if it is a business expense. Have fun!
Next day, I decide for Happy town. Was past 23:00, so I took a taxi. Asked the driver to translate the Subway station name „Lianhua lu station“ to Chinese and took a cab. To get there, just before the station turn left (coming from city center), pass an under fly and around 800 meter and first crossing to the left.
hahha....where did you get that name happy town??? I don't remember ever posting this nickname.
btw, happy town is not very happy in the afternoon. only a couple of shops (including the ORIGINAL Factory) and the 100rmb bbbj shop's open. All the other ones, including the winding staircase shop, are locked up.
cap iota
Ace Gallant
04-21-07, 18:07
Well, fellow mongers I have to say that if the last couple of days is any indication of the state of the KTV mongering in Shanghai. It appears to be DEAD. Not many positive responses. Oh well, with KTV girl's sit down fees going to 500RMB in some KTV in Puxi (Puxi economics:-), it is no longer a cost effective avenue for mongering. I think only worth going if it is a business expense. Have fun!
The tips for KTV girls are as follows:
1) Low End Local KTVs, no nude or topless dance: 200
2) Mid level KTVs, maybe some topless dance: 300 - 400
3) High End KTVs, normally Nude dances: Min 500.
The difficulties in gathering a group to do KTV, is timing and expanses. Most of the time we need to gather a group of at least 5 persons in order to lessen the load of paying for the tips for the Mama, waitress, the rooms fees and the Liquor. It is not easy to organise a good timing for 5 persons.
You are right, if it is on company expense, it will be different.
AG
I am actually interested in KTV, specifically one the wild ones like 7M or Golden Globe. I will be Shanghai in May 15-19, so anyone here who has KTV plans let me know plz. Thanks.
Gualtier Malde
04-22-07, 01:45
Well, fellow mongers I have to say that if the last couple of days is any indication of the state of the KTV mongering in Shanghai. It appears to be DEAD. Not many positive responses. Oh well, with KTV girl's sit down fees going to 500RMB in some KTV in Puxi (Puxi economics:-), it is no longer a cost effective avenue for mongering. I think only worth going if it is a business expense. Have fun!
Well, frankly, SN2, I think going to a KTV with a bunch of guys I've never met before doesn't sound that appealing. Gathering a group of friends you know, and are comfortable drinking and joking with, is another matter. But I can't think of something more uncomfortable than being in a room with guys I don't know at all, who on top of it all are getting drunk.
So I'll pass on the anonymous KTV night. You're welcome to join AG, me and others when we go though - you've met a few of us, so you should have a good time.
GM
Gualtier Malde
04-22-07, 02:09
I have received some PMs regarding my KTV group proposal. There are some newbies so I will just do a simple run down of the cost of getting laid in Shanghai. Kind of a "Dummies(that's me) guide to getting laid in Shanghai". :-) This is my description of the various venues and their associated prices. I will describe these venues: KTV, Sauna, BBS and Bar.
KTV:
Well, things are expensive in Shanghai. Especially for the KTV scene, that is the reason for my previous post (forming a KTV group outing, since there is significant economy of scale in the KTV venue), to help allay some of the cost involved. So far, the response is a little slow in that most guys seem to go for the BBS, bar scene more. You should understand that the cost of going to a KTV is about 2k to 3k per room (usually 4 guys including drinks and tip for xiaomei, girl pouring the drinks).
That comes out to be ~800RMB/person just for the room. Plus you have to tip your girl (one you choose to sit with you) another 300RMB. So you are looking at 1,100RMB before you even negotiate for the Fun part. Usually that comes out to be 1,500 - 2,100RMB for ST and LT respectively. So in the best case you are looking at 800RMB(room) + 1,500RMB(ST) = 2,300RMB for 1 pop or 2,900RMB for LT. That is approximately $300 for ST or $375 for LT, U.S DOLLARS! Just on price, this is getting closer to U.S standards since in the U.S (Bay Area) ST is $160 and LT is $500 or more. The main difference between the KTV in Shanghai and the escort scene in the U.S are the selections of girls (in looks and quantity). In the U.S there might be 2 “good” escort girls to choose from, in Shanghai KTV there could be hundreds (not all of them goes out, or if they do they might not want to go with you, so you must check before they sit down. Once the girl has sat down with you for over 15mins, it's 300RMB). Quality of the girls could range from 6 to 10s; usually I end up with 8s. Most KTV girls do not go out with a customer every night so they might not have great service in bed.
SAUNA:
Sauna offers significantly better value than the KTV and in terms of Bang for the buck. The sauna girls' looks wise usually range from 7 to 9s. The facilities are usually very clean and plush (some nicer than others). Basically, you get a girl for 1 hour of FS and the service they provide range from adequate to great (it varies depending on the girl, time of day, alignment of the stars...etc:-). Of course there are details like the type of services, some places specialize in red ropes (acrobatic stuff), or Fire and Ice (variety of BJ), or bathing techniques (some have in room showers and special massage table). Usually the service cost range from 600 - 800 RMB. For the combination of cleanness of facility to quality of service and girls, saunas are still pretty good in my book. To find the ones you like just read the forum. Other mongers have contributed greatly to the advancement of our knowledge on this venue.
BBS:
This is the most economical way to get laid. Of course you do usually get what you paid for. Like Forest Gump says "It's like a box of chocolates, you never know what you gonna get". Quality could range from 5 - 8. I know that usually in BBS I try not to let my bare skin touch any surfaces. There is no hygiene and very little ambiance. The cost also ranges widely; they will try to get as much as possible out of you, some even asking for 500RMB. Usually it is around 200 - 300 RMB for FS.
Bars:
I do not frequent bars so my knowledge is a little sparse on this venue. I think other mongers such as AG have much better knowledge of this venue. I think overnight cost from free lancers could range from 800 - 3,000RMB or more, depending on their quality (in looks and service) to how rich you look or your negotiation skills. This is also the most dangerous of the venue since you are not in a controlled environment and mingling with the general populace of Shanghai (something which I try my best to minimize!). Mixture of drinking high quantity of alcohol and girls could be also be bad for your health. Girls’ quality could range from 1-10.
What I describe is very succinct and only encompasses my understanding of the actions here. As always, when in doubt, read the forum and be careful and considerate of others. You are here to have fun, might as well be nice about it. :-)
I think your cost estimate for KTVs are a little high. You should be able to get a room big enough for four guys for 1000RMB or so, including liquor. You are right that you'll pay an extra, say, 400RMB for tips, then say 300 RMB for your girl. So between four of you, that's closer to 650 ALL IN, not 800 plus girl tip.
Sauna info is mostly accurate, though I've never seen anything beyond about a 7 in one. I've never seen anything like a 10 in one!
BBS: best prices are 50RMB HJ, 135-150RMB FS. Your prices reflect what a western foreigner is likely to be stuck with unless they go with an experienced BBS monger.
Bars: This is the most likely venue for finding a 10.... but be careful, that 10 may be a Ladyboy if you are on Tong Ren Lu!! :-D You should not pay more than 800RMB for LT, but the PI girls tend to ask for a bit more, especially if you are a westerner without Mandarin skills. I've generally kept them to 800 though, LT. A lot of the chinese girls in the bars will ask for a lot more - just stick to your guns, either they'll agree or they'll find some sucker willing to meet their price. Don't get too hung up on the most gorgeous ones - they tend to charge more and fuck less... Hookers in hotel bars will always charge a ridiculous amount. Avoid hotel bars and you won't be stuck with western hooker prices.
Here's one you didn't cover: Chat bars: Rule one: only buy drinks for YOUR lady, no matter how persistent they are. Rule two: you can ALWAYS say NO to "buy me drink". Rule three: PAY ATTENTION to the drink slips. They frequently stuff more into the jar than you've actually bought. Rule four: Order ONLY straight shots for the girls (Tequila is a good choice, or a strong whiskey - something you KNOW is not cut, ie, never vodka). Rule five: when betting drinks on pool, make sure she understand that if you win she buys you a drink, and make sure you don't get a drink slip for it - then, MAKE HER DRINK THE DRINK SHE BOUGHT FOR YOU. (Remember they are trying to get you drunk so you'll more easily spend money on them. Your goal is to get them drunk first, which is hard, unless you make sure real liquor is going down their gullets...)
Getting a lady from a chat bar to go home with you is not that easy. Many will stay at the bar until closing, usually around 4-5am. If you want to take a lady home, a chat bar is one of the worst venues. If you just want to snuggle and not fuck, and hang with young girls who like to play pool, a chat bar can be a blast.)
Have fun!
GM
Shanghai Noon #2
04-22-07, 02:27
Well, frankly, SN2, I think going to a KTV with a bunch of guys I've never met before doesn't sound that appealing. Gathering a group of friends you know, and are comfortable drinking and joking with, is another matter. But I can't think of something more uncomfortable than being in a room with guys I don't know at all, who on top of it all are getting drunk.
So I'll pass on the anonymous KTV night. You're welcome to join AG, me and others when we go though - you've met a few of us, so you should have a good time.
GM
I agree with your assessment of the KTV proposal. I think it is good to try it out so we understand the underlying issues. Especially with the cost of going to a KTV being so high (~$150 per even with 5 paying guys!), you really need to find 5 stand up guys that you at least feel comfortable hanging (and more important "paying":-) with. In the BBS, Sauna and Bars you do not have to be concern with the payment issue, management will "enforce" payment by the responsible party, whereas in the KTV everyone in the party is liable for the cost (which could be quite substantial). You do not want to go with guys who "forgot their wallet" or "want to borrow money" when it comes to payment time.
Pleasure Dude
04-22-07, 03:44
Well guys,
I flew to Shanghai on the assumption that there will be a group of people with senior member showing some newbies to a KTV and I guess that is not going to happen. I waited all day yesterday for a call about going to KTV but didn't get any repsonse. I have never been here before but have been to many other KTVs in other countries. I just think it is stupid to go there by myself and money is not really an issue at all. We all go there for the sole purpose of checking out the girls and having fun with the one you picked. Does it really matter if you know the other members or not? The other people joining the group are just there to split the bill. I guess I will just leave Shanghai disappointed today.
PD
Shanghai Noon #2
04-22-07, 06:20
Here's one you didn't cover: Chat bars: Rule one: only buy drinks for YOUR lady, no matter how persistent they are. Rule two: you can ALWAYS say NO to "buy me drink". Rule three: PAY ATTENTION to the drink slips. They frequently stuff more into the jar than you've actually bought. Rule four: Order ONLY straight shots for the girls (Tequila is a good choice, or a strong whiskey - something you KNOW is not cut, ie, never vodka). Rule five: when betting drinks on pool, make sure she understand that if you win she buys you a drink, and make sure you don't get a drink slip for it - then, MAKE HER DRINK THE DRINK SHE BOUGHT FOR YOU. (Remember they are trying to get you drunk so you'll more easily spend money on them. Your goal is to get them drunk first, which is hard, unless you make sure real liquor is going down their gullets...)
Getting a lady from a chat bar to go home with you is not that easy. Many will stay at the bar until closing, usually around 4-5am. If you want to take a lady home, a chat bar is one of the worst venues. If you just want to snuggle and not fuck, and hang with young girls who like to play pool, a chat bar can be a blast.)
Have fun!
GM
I have a better rule. I will NEVER go to a chat bar. Too many rules to follow and I am here to have fun. The point of being a customer is that I DECIDE when we go ST not her. Plus I make it a point to let the establishment KNOW that if they cheat me once, I will never go there again. They should count their blessing that I do not go to the police (I have friends in various districts). I am being nice when I do not make a fuss and create issues :-)
OldAsiaHand
04-22-07, 07:08
The 100 RMB BBBJ shop in Happy Town is on my list of favorite places to monger in China. As they say in the west, "They could suck the chrome off a trailer hitch" and CIM with a smile. A must visit IMHO.
OAH
hahha....where did you get that name happy town??? I don't remember ever posting this nickname.
btw, happy town is not very happy in the afternoon. only a couple of shops (including the ORIGINAL Factory) and the 100rmb bbbj shop's open. All the other ones, including the winding staircase shop, are locked up.
cap iota
OldAsiaHand
04-22-07, 07:18
Ding Ding,
I know the feeling of a run of bad experiences and I sympathize with you. It happens to me more often that I would like. Everybody is trying to rip you off because you are a foreigner, many don't even want to do you because you are too big, the service is below par, etc. It may help if you join the Shanghai gang and monger with some of the veterans. There is less chance that you will be quoted so high and might get better service since they do not want to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off their regular patrons.
Just my POV.
OAH
Ace Gallant
04-22-07, 08:16
I have a better rule. I will NEVER go to a chat bar. Too many rules to follow.
Guys,
I do not completely agree with you on these. It’s a bit more complex but I will try to explain:
Like what GM said:
A) Only buys drinks for your girl not for her friends.
Chinese girls:
Analysis:
1) They are very possessive
2) They believe in this thing call “Face”.
If their friends (let’s name her “B”) are sitting on the same table, your girl (Let’s name her “A”) with try to size you up first before they ask “Would you like to buy “B” a drink?” If you say yes without hesitation, is not an indication that you are generous but in fact it is negative. They think you are a flirt and they will start their moves to get the most out of your wallet.
If you say “No” but after a little pestering from “A” you say yes, that brings you to the second stage; you are giving “face” to “A”. By going to the second stage that also give “A” the rights to declare you as their customer. In which “B’ would mark you as “A” customer thus will not leave you alone as long as “A” is working in that bar. To “A”; she is feeling great because not only she had gained a regular customer, she had also managed gain credibility from “B” by helping “B” makes some extra money. In future; if “A” gets a chance to sit on the same table with “B” customer, “B” will returns the same favor.
My move:
Knowing the above, I would always skip directly from stage one to stage two. I would agree to buying “B” a drink but I would purposely tell “A” in front of “B” that I would buy “B” a drink because of “A”, I normally would say: “OK, I will buy her a drink because she is your friend, but however do not misunderstand, I like you (A) and not her (B) so just one drink!”
This way, not only “A” gets the “Face” she needed, you also declared yourself as “hers”. But on your end, you had stopped them from trying to empty out your wallet. Sort of killing 3 birds with one stone isn’t it?
There are some setbacks:
1) You are stuck with “A” until she no longer works in the bar or she is off duty.
2) After the drink, “B” knowing that she is not going to get anymore drinks from you for the night, she will go off hunting for her own customer.
B) You can always say “No” to buying drinks to the girls.
Agreed on this point 100%
C) PAY ATTENTION to the drink slips. They frequently stuff more into the jar than you've actually bought.
Agreed but just to add, always remember to suggest signing on each and every drink slips for the drinks you agreed to buy. The other way is to pay as the drinks are brought to you or your girl. Of course having drink slips in front of you, it act as a good indications of when you should stop!
D) Order ONLY straight shots for the girls (Tequila is a good choice, or a strong whiskey - something you KNOW is not cut, ie, never vodka).
Well…. On this, I still play the same rule, I would tell them straight that “It is not my objective to get you drunk because I know that you girls have to drink a lot every night, but I know those drinks you girls are drinking are fake or just Juice, that is not very nice for me to pay 50RMB for Juice.” This way I get respect from the girls that I am taking care of them and also tell them: I am not stupid so please don’t try to ripped me off. Noticed I seldom ended up buying my girl more then 1 drink per hour? I will only buy the girl strong drink like Tequila if that girl really pissed me off, because I basically want to get her drunk without them hating me! In this case, I would not only buy one Tequila, I would buy her at least 3 in a roll. (Why will they hate me when I am making them make more money). I normally would not like to get any girls drunk, because they will be ugly when they throw up on my bed!
E) Rule five: when betting drinks on pool, make sure she understand that if you win she buys you a drink, and make sure you don't get a drink slip for it - then, MAKE HER DRINK THE DRINK SHE BOUGHT FOR YOU. (Remember they are trying to get you drunk so you'll more easily spend money on them. Your goal is to get them drunk first, which is hard, unless you make sure real liquor is going down their gullets...)
Somehow…I never have a problem with this…maybe because I always lost at pool or I know my limits on the drinks and managed to stay out of getting drunk?
F) Getting a lady from a chat bar to go home with you is not that easy. Many will stay at the bar until closing, usually around 4-5am. If you want to take a lady home, a chat bar is one of the worst venues. If you just want to snuggle and not fuck, and hang with young girls who like to play pool, a chat bar can be a blast.)
Do not agree with you on this. In most of the chat bars, there are two types of girls, one, the Monthly Salaried ones, who will be paid a monthly salary of between 1000 – 1500 and every additional drink they get you to buy, they are pay a commission of around 8 – 15 RMB per drink. The second type of girls are the freelancers, They are no paid a monthly salary but are paid only commission, normally these girls are the “Out-going” ones. They are free to go home if they feel that it is a slow night.
Those salaried girls, normally they are the ones who will not go out with anyone, but these girls are also my targets as Freebies. SN, I hate to tell you this, but remember that girl at Nightshift sitting with you and me on Wed night? She belongs to this category but she is on my bed now. Difficult to take out girls from the chat bars? I think otherwise... In fact, 100% of the girls from the chat bars that I had done, are freebies.
AG
Ace Gallant
04-22-07, 08:32
I was at one of the TRL bars “Nightshift” last night and I noticed that 3 fellow Americans (from their accent) walked in ordered some beers and started playing pool. Before they knew what was going on, they were surrounded by a group of 4 to 5 girls from the bars asking them to buy them drinks. One of them keeps on say “Drinks sure! More drinks! More drinks! It is dam cheap in China!”
Half an hour passed with 2 games of pools and many drinks after, they decide to go somewhere else and were presented with a bill of 1400RMB. Now, the guys started saying “NO!” and started asking for the price of the drinks. They been presented with a stack of drinks receipts and told it 50RMB each drink. There must been at least 30 receipts in that stack. Reluctantly they paid and left scouting at the top of their voice “This is a ripped of! This is a ripped off!”
Don’t you guys agree; those guys would had been you if you there is no existence of ISG?
Oops… I forgot, in case if those guys are one of you here…. Sorry dude, you did not RTFF!
Enjoy!
AG
Bad Boy Billy
04-22-07, 13:28
I was at one of the TRL bars “Nightshift” last night and I noticed that 3 fellow Americans (from their accent) walked in ordered some beers and started playing pool. Before they knew what was going on, they were surrounded by a group of 4 to 5 girls from the bars asking them to buy them drinks. One of them keeps on say “Drinks sure! More drinks! More drinks! It is dam cheap in China!”
Half an hour passed with 2 games of pools and many drinks after, they decide to go somewhere else and were presented with a bill of 1400RMB. Now, the guys started saying “NO!” and started asking for the price of the drinks. They been presented with a stack of drinks receipts and told it 50RMB each drink. There must been at least 30 receipts in that stack. Reluctantly they paid and left scouting at the top of their voice “This is a ripped of! This is a ripped off!”
Don’t you guys agree; those guys would had been you if you there is no existence of ISG?
Oops… I forgot, in case if those guys are one of you here…. Sorry dude, you did not RTFF!
Enjoy!
AG
AG
I have seen this several times before.
It is a common mistake by 'foreigners' who exchange their local currencies for RMB - 6, 8 or 10 times or more to 1 and it looks like they have 'millions' in their pockets - so whatever the drinks cost cumulatively they still will not have to pay a very big bill - or so they think.
Then the bill comes - WTF.
Newbie syndrome - it will still happen in 100 years time.
You can have no sympathy for a guy / guys who do not think - you can have a lot of admiration for guys who do ther reserach - as you said - RTFF.
BUT
So many guys think they are so wise - need no help or advice - you can read them like a book - I come from a first world country so I MUST be smarter than these dumb fuckers from a third world country.
So loud - so dumb - so many mistakes - thats life.
AND
Same guys - give the girls 2 or 3 times what the going rate is - how do you combat it?
You cannot - life goes on - just grin and move on - they will learn - or maybe they won't - such is life!!!
Gualtier Malde
04-22-07, 20:54
I have a better rule. I will NEVER go to a chat bar. Too many rules to follow and I am here to have fun. The point of being a customer is that I DECIDE when we go ST not her. Plus I make it a point to let the establishment KNOW that if they cheat me once, I will never go there again. They should count their blessing that I do not go to the police (I have friends in various districts). I am being nice when I do not make a fuss and create issues :-)
Well, SN2, I know this is not true (will never got to a chat bar) since I MET you in a chat bar! :-) Nightshift is a chat bar, remember?
Agree with AG, I was being simplistic (ie, I know Katrina for example is one of the freelance girls) but the fact is, in order to get the freebies as you do, you generally have to live in Shanghai. I don't. The girls are much less interested in a guy who is only there for a few days and has limited language skills. So for the visitor like me, I think the rules do apply, mostly.
On the "get them drunk before they get you drunk" side, I do agree with your more nuanced approach. This is a particularly good approach at for example Nightshift. I think what you suggest is good. However, for Xstasea, where the girls are TOTAL hustlers, their aggression is best met by my less nuanced "get them drunk" rule.
However, note that Peggy at Xstasea is onto the game, and has started to counter by taking the tequila shot and then kissing you, passing the tequila into your mouth. Don't do it - make her drink it.
GM
Ace Gallant
04-22-07, 21:16
in order to get the freebies as you do, you generally have to live in Shanghai. I don't. The girls are much less interested in a guy who is only there for a few days and has limited language skills. So for the visitor like me, I think the rules do apply, mostly.
In general, agree... but as always, there are exceptions.
On the "get them drunk before they get you drunk" side, I do agree with your more nuanced approach. This is a particularly good approach at for example Nightshift. I think what you suggest is good. However, for Xstasea, where the girls are TOTAL hustlers, their aggression is best met by my less nuanced "get them drunk" rule.
XTASEA is also one of the exceptions, I should say.... its not a chat bar, it's a Sluts Bar....:)
However, note that Peggy at Xstasea is onto the game, and has started to counter by taking the tequila shot and then kissing you, passing the tequila into your mouth. Don't do it - make her drink it.
GM
I wouldn't even buy Peggy or the other sluts a drink! Not to mention Tequila!
Enjoy!
AG
GermanSurviver
04-23-07, 01:59
My First Day with the Gang
Take an short call to AG, and we met us in the evening…AG says he wait with an other Shanghai Gang Member in the Angels Bars at TRL, so I go inside and just see 2 Guys sitting on an Table ,I ask the Guys where AG is and just get an answer: playing Pool
Anyway I sit down and we start an Chat with GM and another Bro.
AG shortly came down ad we start the Evening with some Gin Tonic.
At first we was at the 1771 Club, for me it was an Club with real cute Girls I guess around 6-8 in the Game.
The only what I don’t like was the Backstage who is for my minds a “bit” too noisy for the others.
Anyway my Girl was nice cute with an beautyfull breast. The Sex was real good with an nice BBBJCJM ;)
After the 1771 GM was off and we went back to the TLR , to drink something more and check out the Girls in the Bars.
AG brings me in the Manhattan Bar and I stay there alone for another few Drinks and chat with the Girls, not more ;)
2 DAY
In the Evening I met the Gang again, and we go to an Soap Massage Club.
I like this Club my Girl NR 29 was an real cute funny and sexy Girl all the time(thanks AG+GM to let me the first choice as your Guest).
The Soap Club starts with an have fun together Shower and cleaning each part of my Body.
Ends with an Massage(not real medical)and more fun together, the Girl what I had was really lovely and all in all an real good GF.
After went back to the unbelivebal TRL for another Drinks, who end for me again in the Manhattan and several other Clubs till 6 in the Morning.
Woow what a Night again with the Shanghai Gang.
The Result:
Ok Bro”s next time when im back in Shanghai I promise you more time together
To all other Members,I just have to say Thanks for the welcome to an absolutely Newbie in Shanghai. I enjoy the time in Sh with the Gang ,because AG and GM always take care about the “Newbie” and try to give him some good Infos about the playing rules.
With pleasure I came back, and be sure you are welcome to visit me.
AG Thanks again for all, you are an Men with an real good sense of humor and absolutely trustfull.
GM
You post some rules to play Pool with the Girls, don’t you forget your Win against the Girls?
Whats about the Underwear? Do you get it?
Thanks again my friends, you give me an never forget trip to an unknown City….and of course I came back.
Does you remember? I have to try Peggy.
AG if I forget something to Post, sorry but the time was also really busy, you know.
Enjoy GS
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GermanSurviver
04-23-07, 02:05
You think that the TRL is to beware?
Hei sorry. No its just an Streeet with some Bars in the World, if you take care about you. Don't worry and have fun.
Try to find some Friends to know the Rules;)
GS
Shanghai Noon #2
04-23-07, 05:53
Well, SN2, I know this is not true (will never got to a chat bar) since I MET you in a chat bar! :-) Nightshift is a chat bar, remember?
Agree with AG, I was being simplistic (ie, I know Katrina for example is one of the freelance girls) but the fact is, in order to get the freebies as you do, you generally have to live in Shanghai. I don't. The girls are much less interested in a guy who is only there for a few days and has limited language skills. So for the visitor like me, I think the rules do apply, mostly.
On the "get them drunk before they get you drunk" side, I do agree with your more nuanced approach. This is a particularly good approach at for example Nightshift. I think what you suggest is good. However, for Xstasea, where the girls are TOTAL hustlers, their aggression is best met by my less nuanced "get them drunk" rule.
However, note that Peggy at Xstasea is onto the game, and has started to counter by taking the tequila shot and then kissing you, passing the tequila into your mouth. Don't do it - make her drink it.
GM
That's pretty funny since that night was the first time I went there. I went there to meet with AG hoping that the gang were a bunch of stand up guys who we could hook up for the KTV group outing. Instead we went to one bar after another on TRL which I hated. When in "Rome" do as the "Romans". I played along thinking that eventually we will do something other than waste our time and money on those pathetic bars. Nope, the whole night was one scam bar after another, in which we were the only patrons. In light of the general ugliness of the girls I am not a bit surprise that they have no CUSTOMERS, except for, of course your "gang".
At one bar the girl took the liberty of ordering another drink as I was getting ready to play pool with AG. I asked her nicely to take it back in which she comply. At another bar they stuffed the bill for another 250RMB extra. I was shocked that the entire gang said nothing. I watched in amusement that no one had the balls to call them on it. I am glad you guys had a good time getting RIPPED OFF:-) Gee, I wonder why no one goes to those bars? :-)
Yes, my night's total came to 300RMB in which I had 3 Guiness Beer(I know those weren't fakes!) at the three bars and played pool with "the gang" and ugly girls(5 or 6). Met the infamous Peggy whom I was concern with shaking her hand in fear of catching something. I bought 3 drinks (at 2 bars) to show "the gang" not the girls (I don't waste money on 5s:-) that I was not a cheapskate. Overall, the night was a complete waste of my time except I finally got to meet "your gang" :-) Thanks, I needed that.
For the newbies out there, save your time and money and just read the forum and forget about meeting up with "the gang".
AND oh yes, I am still following my rule "I will NEVER go to a chat bar".
In fact, I never even knew the existence of such crappy establishments (I lived in Shanghai for 3 years and I like to go to the GOOD places:-) not the ones that WILL RIP YOU OFF! Thanks Gang! :-)
Ace Gallant
04-23-07, 06:06
That's pretty funny since that night was the first time I went there. I went there to meet with AG hoping that the gang were a bunch of stand up guys who we could hook up for the KTV group outing. Instead we went to one bar after another on TRL which I hated. When in "Rome" do as the "Romans". I played along thinking that eventually we will do something other than wasting our time and money on those pathetic bars. Nope, the whole night was one scam bar after another, in which we were the only patrons. In light of the general ugliness of the girls and the EXISTENCE of "ladyboys" I am not a bit surprise that they have no CUSTOMERS, except of course your "gang".
At one bar the girl took the liberty of ordering another drink as I was getting ready to play pool with AG. I asked her nicely to take it back in which she comply. At another bar they stuffed the bill for another 250RMB extra. I was shocked that the entire gang said nothing. I watched in amusement that no one had the balls to call them on it. I am glad you guys had a good time getting RIPPED OFF:-) Gee, I wonder why no one goes to those bars? :-)
Yes, my night's total comes to 300RMB in which I had 3 Guiness Beer(I know those weren't fakes!) at the three bars and played pool with "the gang" and ugly girls(5 or 6). Met the infamous Peggy whom I was concern with shaking her hand in fear of catching something. I bought 3 drinks (at 2 bars) to show "the gang" not the girls (I don't waste money on 5s:-) that I was not a cheapskate. Overall, the night was a complete waste of my time except I finally got to meet "your gang" :-) Thanks, I needed that.
For the newbies out there, save your time and money and just read the forum and forget about meeting up with "the gang".
AND oh yes, I am still following my rule "I will NEVER go to a chat bar".
In fact, I never even knew the existence of such crappy establishments (I lived in Shanghai for 3 years and I like to go to the NICE places:-) except for the kindness of "your gang" :-)
See.... as I suspected.... you let one of the wankers to joing the Gang activities and this is what you get! .... fortunately we did not show him our shag pad, our hang outs at the apartment BBS, our underground strip dance club, our 5 star KTVs with nude girl walking all over the place and of course the part in which these scammer pay back to us after their work hours....! :D
Oh man!!! 250 and you call that ripped off???? Man are you cheap or what???
:p
Enjoy!
AG
BTW: That "freebie" from Nightshift is still here!
Shanghai Noon #2
04-23-07, 06:17
See.... as I suspected.... you let one of the wankers to joing the Gang activities and this is what you get! .... fortunately we did not show him our shag pad, our hang outs at the apartment BBS, our underground strip dance club, our 5 star KTVs with nude girl walking all over the place and of course the part in which these scammer pay back to us after their work hours....! :D
Oh man!!! 250 and you call that ripped off???? Man are you cheap or what???
:p
Enjoy!
AG
BTW: That "freebie" from Nightshift is still here!
AG, I am glad I will miss out on those FUN activities :-) Have fun gang!
See.... as I suspected.... you let one of the wankers to joing the Gang activities and this is what you get! .... fortunately we did not show him our shag pad, our hang outs at the apartment BBS, our underground strip dance club, our 5 star KTVs with nude girl walking all over the place and of course the part in which these scammer pay back to us after their work hours....! :DI just wonder why you took SN2 to TRL as first trip then ? THE TRL - infamous for dirt, STD, cheatings, ripping, robbing, butuggly hookers and ladyboys. It is a place for uninformed tourists and newbies. I would not go there as I would be ashamed someone could see me there. To be seen in TRL these days = social suicide.
The last time I was at TRL I was pretty disappointed. I thought it had gone downhill; lower quality girls, higher prices and more hustle. Also, the beggers on the street had become very aggressive. The hamburger place is a ripoff and the guy working there tried to cheat me out of my change. I guess all of this is because of the huge influx of foreigners with plenty of money to throw around.
I didn't find any girls I was interested in, I didn't buy them drinks and I drank mine very slowly. I felt it was a ripoff. But remember, Shanghai has become a major international city, it's always like this in these big cities, so what can we expect? Compared to Singapore, Tokyo, HK, New York or London it's cheap.
Many of the other bars on Maoming Lu had closed down, so where else is there to go?
AG and GM both have a budget that allows them to hangout at TRL and not really give a shit about the price. They are long time regulars there, but they also know lots of other places where they can have fun. They are also very cool guys who like to make friends.
SH2. Sorry to hear you didn't like TRL, but that wasn't the fault of AG and GM.
AG and GM both have a budget that allows them to hangout at TRL and not really give a shit about the price.Huh? TRL is not expensive, TRL is simply a muck and dung. Last time I walked there I was ashamed I am a white male.
Hi guys,
I am in Shanghai for few days and would like to know what is the full name of Shanghai hotel?
Where is it located?
Is it an actual hotel I can book a room in, or just a name of a spa place?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Hey SH2: I have a question for you : did a bug crawl up your ass and die ?
I read your posts, and I think the last time you had anything nice to say about Shanghai was in 2004. Why don't you get over yourself ? I mean, pretty soon, you will be flying back to the USA (business class, of course - you are so shallow that you found it important to tell all of us that. And that you have flown over 1.5 million miles. You 'da man) where everything is great and the sun shines every day.
I guess I better be careful, huh ? Because, as you have posted, you "have friends in various districts". I'll look over my shoulder :)
Cripes
Bob Builder
04-23-07, 15:29
Hey SH2: I have a question for you : did a bug crawl up your ass and die ?
I read your posts, and I think the last time you had anything nice to say about Shanghai was in 2004. Why don't you get over yourself ? I mean, pretty soon, you will be flying back to the USA (business class, of course - you are so shallow that you found it important to tell all of us that. And that you have flown over 1.5 million miles. You 'da man) where everything is great and the sun shines every day.
I guess I better be careful, huh ? Because, as you have posted, you "have friends in various districts". I'll look over my shoulder :)
Cripes
This coming from a serial antagonist. Every time I see that this guy has posted, I think what is he going to ***** about now? At least he lives up to his name, I suppose. He said that he was "100% out of here" referring to the ISG forum in December as he thought the place was too full of pervs, but he is still here so the perv can't let go.
He has a thing about teenage gals cause he has relations that are teenaged. I think he should take comfort in the crude Chinese saying that literally translates "Men are here to fuck, Women are here to be fucked." Someone is going to shag them sometime.
Then again its easy to get your jollies giving people shit on the web, isn't it? LOL!
Shanghai Noon #2
04-23-07, 15:34
Hey SH2: I have a question for you : did a bug crawl up your ass and die ?
I read your posts, and I think the last time you had anything nice to say about Shanghai was in 2004. Why don't you get over yourself ? I mean, pretty soon, you will be flying back to the USA (business class, of course - you are so shallow that you found it important to tell all of us that. And that you have flown over 1.5 million miles. You 'da man) where everything is great and the sun shines every day.
I guess I better be careful, huh ? Because, as you have posted, you "have friends in various districts". I'll look over my shoulder :)
Cripes
You only have to look over your shoulders in Shanghai if you break the law. Lao Ma, you do not have to worry unless you rip people off. My friends are in Law Enforcement and they will only take action if you break the law, such as ripping off customers by stuffing their bills. You don't do that do you? :-)
I love Shanghai, however like any city there are the good parts and bad parts. I just describe things as they occur, if you want to interpret them in a negative light, it's UP TO YOU.
Huh? TRL is not expensive, TRL is simply a muck and dung. Last time I walked there I was ashamed I am a white male.
It's not cheap, when you count in the ladies drinks and girls asking for high pussy prices
I agree that it has gone downhill in every way, but when you have been an oldtime regular at certain places it's difficult to move on. Where else is there to go?
It's been over one year since I was there and I think it must have gotten worse.
PS. Hey friends, let's not get into another flame war here. OK?
Ace Gallant
04-23-07, 16:20
I just wonder why you took SN2 to TRL as first trip then ? .
That is because I suspected he is a Wanker and it turns out to be true.
I did my homework and read all his posts! Besides this giys claims that he lived in Shanghai for 3 years and still do not know about TRL? Those ripped offs, ugly girls, etc etc....
AG
Shanghai Noon #2
04-23-07, 16:46
which these scammer pay back to us after their work hours....! :D
BTW: That "freebie" from Nightshift is still here!
Now I see your MO. You get the people you "think" are newbies to TRL. Have the scammers go at them, then get the payoffs from the scammers. You are some piece of work.
Now I see how you operate. And you call me names? ;-)
Ace Gallant
04-23-07, 16:51
It's not cheap, when you count in the ladies drinks and girls asking for high pussy prices
I agree that it has gone downhill in every way, but when you have been an oldtime regular at certain places it's difficult to move on. Where else is there to go?
It's been over one year since I was there and I think it must have gotten worse.
PS. Hey friends, let's not get into another flame war here. OK?
Most of the time I would not spend more than RMB300 per night in TRL (8pm to around 12) This is only if I have freebies come over to my house after 12 or after their work hours.
Otherwise, I use TRL as a meet up point and proceed to Saunas, BBS, or before going to some of those other places for fun. In this case, the bill should not be more than 100.
Like what GM and I said... you are not obligated to buy the girls drinks.
As for myself, TRL is a great source of freebies for me. Of course as I said... there are no real freebies, you have to pay in one way or another, but it is how much you pay that is the difference. Besides, I found freebies a lot more GFE.
AG
BTW: That night which SN2 claims he got ripped off, I did checked the bill and warned everyone to watch out on the ladies drinks several times. I bought only 2 ladies drinks and one drink for myself but when we pitched in t pay the bill there were still 150 RMB short in which I just top up the difference. If we want to be calculative; I paid total of 300 for just 3 drinks! So guys in the group got ripped off I pay the bills and they accuse me of not standing up for them? That is just great! I cannot be watching out for everybody!
Ace Gallant
04-23-07, 16:56
Now I see your MO. You get the people you "think" are newbies to TRL. Have the scammers go at them, then get the payoffs from the scammers. You are some piece of work.
Now I see how you operate. And you call me names? ;-)
Oh Yah right!!... how about this: "AG works for the bars, he uses ISG as the bait to meet up with "Newbies" bring them into the Bars and scam them, get commission from the bars afterward?"
Doesnt that sound like a better story?
Hey wait?? Haven't we forgot something here? Wasn't it was you who PM me wanting to join the gang and wanting to meet us?
I think you are just jealous because you had a go at my girl at Nigthshift and she rejected you but she ended up as my freebie 2 days after.... Sorry dude... I bought her the first drink, then played pool. You just tied you luck on her while I was not looking. But you know what? I gave you a fair chance but you did not kick it. You did not follow the rules and that's what you got!
As I said before; we do not make a living from posting information or meeting up with guys on the board (Of course I know there are people like Dragon D, he is a travel agent). Many a time we even hesitant to meet up with newbies.... why? Because of all of these nonsense as to flaming others. We are not your daddy, we cannot watch out for you all the time, we can only suggest to you what in our opinions is going on. I am begining to think that I cannot stop getting shit from members, I entertain them, they turn around saying that I get a kick back from doing so, I don't entertain them, I get flamed on the board.
AG
Shanghai Noon #2
04-23-07, 17:07
Ok, consider this a peace offering. I hold no grudges against anyone, least of all against the gang. Life is just too short for that kind of thing. They have their game and I am not one to deprive another man of their whatever. I will only say that newbies please be careful and read the forum and do not think that everyone on this board is honest. People are not always kind hearted and you must exercise caution in your dealings, not just in Shanghai but everywhere. Well, especially in Shanghai:-)
Anyway, READ THE FORUM and be careful. Do not meet with members on this board casually, even if they are senior members! You must watch out for yourself.
Ace Gallant
04-23-07, 17:55
Ok, consider this a peace offering. I hold no grudges against anyone, least of all against the gang. Life is just too short for that kind of thing. They have their game and I am not one to deprive another man of their whatever. I will only say that newbies please be careful and read the forum and do not think that everyone on this board is honest. People are not always kind hearted and you must exercise caution in your dealings, not just in Shanghai but everywhere. Well, especially in Shanghai:-)
Anyway, READ THE FORUM and be careful. Do not meet with members on this board casually, even if they are senior members! You must watch out for yourself.
To all Members especially newbies on the board,
Disclaimer:
As mentioned in one of my previous post not long ago; There is no such thing as "The Shanghai Gang". We are just a bunch of mongers who likes to hang out and get pussies. Some of us are stationed in Shanghai, some of us flies into Shanghai on a regular basis and some are visitors who comes here once in a while maybe only once a year.
We are NOT the local police, under cover cops, travel agents nor are we working for any bars or establishments. Therefore we do not get any "kick backs" from these establishments. As much as we love to hang out together, we also watch out for each other. However please be reminded that we are not your daddy or body guards, we cannot force you to obey the "rules" in which are suggestions we had posted or exchange in words when we met in person. We are not responsible if you stupidly allows yourself to be ripped off by these establishments regardless of whether we had warned you or not.
We did not post any reports offering services to "show you around" should you come to Shanghai nor did we wrote in invitation for anyone to join us during our "Hunt". Therefore we are not in control of whether you should or had sent any PM to us requesting as join us. It is your freedom of choice to meet and hang out with us, even if we had replied in acceptence to meet up with you.
In conclusion; you should watch out for yourself regardless of whether you are "hunting" with us or in a group of people you meet on the Internet. Come on guys.... you are grown up man! Don't need someone to tell you that!!!
Enjoy and be safe!
AG
Unknown One
04-23-07, 18:10
Oh Yah right!!... how about this: "AG works for the bars, he uses ISG as the bait to meet up with "Newbies" bring them into the Bars and scam them, get commission from the bars afterward?"
Doesnt that sound like a better story?
Hey wait?? Haven't we forgot something here? Wasn't it was you who PM me wanting to join the gang and wanting to meet us?
I think you are just jealous because you had a go at my girl at Nigthshift and she rejected you but she ended up as my freebie 2 days after.... Sorry dude... I bought her the first drink, then played pool. You just tied you luck on her while I was not looking. But you know what? I gave you a fair chance but you did not kick it. You did not follow the rules and that's what you got!
As I said before; we do not make a living from posting information or meeting up with guys on the board (Of course I know there are people like Dragon D, he is a travel agent). Many a time we even hesitant to meet up with newbies.... why? Because of all of these nonsense as to flaming others. We are not your daddy, we cannot watch out for you all the time, we can only suggest to you what in our opinions is going on. I am begining to think that I cannot stop getting shit from members, I entertain them, they turn around saying that I get a kick back from doing so, I don't entertain them, I get flamed on the board.
AG
Actually I will defend AG on this (welcome back to the board again by the way, sorry I never said it earlier). I have met the man and I doubt he is getting any kickbacks from the bars, for one thing these guys love eating at Malones and I am familiar with the owner myself. No kickbacks here sorry.
Secondly, unless you count the Blue Frog where AG lets us all share in on his onion rings (poor girl that kisses him afterwards) he must really stretch that 50-100yuan kickback per night cos we have never ordered much at the establishments and he spends way too much money later to earn a living off of this. The cab fare alone at night cost this much.
The reason girls like AG so much is a mystery to me as well, sorry buddy I can only defend you so far without you bribing me...... =)
Shanghai Noon #2
04-23-07, 18:44
and of course the part in which these scammer pay back to us after their work hours....! :D
BTW: That "freebie" from Nightshift is still here!
"Read" what he is saying. He gets paid back in one form or another. It could be money or it could be pussy. Why would a scammer PAY you back unless you did something for them?! Duh...maybe you setup a newbie for them to scam, or you were stupid enough to let them scam you willingly like I witness at TRL. Either way, losers!
Unless you have proof, stop accusing members of scamming you. Obviously, that was a joke about the kickbacks.
I have been brought around to different places by fellow seniors members. If the service and quality sucked, should I accuse them of scamming me?
Mongering has always been a hit or miss field trip. You're going in the wrong direction with this bad trip of yours.
At this rate you're going, you might as well stay home.
Bill
"Read" what he is saying. He gets paid back in one form or another. It could be money or it could be pussy. Why would a scammer PAY you back unless you did something for them?! Duh...maybe you setup a newbie for them to scam, or you were stupid enough to let them scam you willingly like I witness at TRL. Either way, losers!
Shanghai Noon #2
04-23-07, 20:10
Unless you have proof, stop accusing members of scamming you. Obviously, that was a joke about the kickbacks.
I have been brought around to different places by fellow seniors members. If the service and quality sucked, should I accuse them of scamming me?
Mongering has always been a hit or miss field trip. You're going in the wrong direction with this bad trip of yours.
At this rate you're going, you might as well stay home.
Bill
I have more FUN at home than I did at TRL with AG:-) shhh, my freebie is sleeping. Ok, bye.
Gualtier Malde
04-23-07, 20:36
That's pretty funny since that night was the first time I went there. I went there to meet with AG hoping that the gang were a bunch of stand up guys who we could hook up for the KTV group outing. Instead we went to one bar after another on TRL which I hated. When in "Rome" do as the "Romans". I played along thinking that eventually we will do something other than waste our time and money on those pathetic bars. Nope, the whole night was one scam bar after another, in which we were the only patrons. In light of the general ugliness of the girls I am not a bit surprise that they have no CUSTOMERS, except for, of course your "gang".
At one bar the girl took the liberty of ordering another drink as I was getting ready to play pool with AG. I asked her nicely to take it back in which she comply. At another bar they stuffed the bill for another 250RMB extra. I was shocked that the entire gang said nothing. I watched in amusement that no one had the balls to call them on it. I am glad you guys had a good time getting RIPPED OFF:-) Gee, I wonder why no one goes to those bars? :-)
Yes, my night's total came to 300RMB in which I had 3 Guiness Beer(I know those weren't fakes!) at the three bars and played pool with "the gang" and ugly girls(5 or 6). Met the infamous Peggy whom I was concern with shaking her hand in fear of catching something. I bought 3 drinks (at 2 bars) to show "the gang" not the girls (I don't waste money on 5s:-) that I was not a cheapskate. Overall, the night was a complete waste of my time except I finally got to meet "your gang" :-) Thanks, I needed that.
For the newbies out there, save your time and money and just read the forum and forget about meeting up with "the gang".
AND oh yes, I am still following my rule "I will NEVER go to a chat bar".
In fact, I never even knew the existence of such crappy establishments (I lived in Shanghai for 3 years and I like to go to the GOOD places:-) not the ones that WILL RIP YOU OFF! Thanks Gang! :-)
And now the entire forum knows why I don't like going to KTVs with strangers. You never know what sort of jerks will randomly appear and ruin an evening after a few drinks.
Its funny to ready GS's posts, followed by yours. GS was an absolute gentleman, relaxed, and ready to have a good time. We felt good around him, so we treated him to a nice time, on multiple evenings.
TRL is actually a good place to meet folks. It can set a good mongering mood, and we don't actually have to stay there (and usually don't). But if we end up with a jerk, we probably will. It is a good way to filter folks out.
Sorry you didn't have a good time, SN2, but hey, I don't think that's the gang's problem...
GM
Again, there is no such thing as a "Shanghai Gang". That's just something we made up as a casual reference to some ISG guys who know each other. AG is not the "gang leader", we just say that sometimes as a compliment to a friend.
As for scams, it's not the other guys fault if some of the girls overcharged ShanghaiNoon for drinks. The girls are more likely to try it on the new guy.
Naturally, if someone is a very regular customer and speaks chinese, his chances of scoring freebies goes up. Why does AG get freebies at TRL? Easy, it's because he's a fun guy and the girls see him as a potential sugardaddy, boyfriend or husband.
Finally, Shanghai Noon's "peace offering" was no such thing.
GermanSurviver
04-24-07, 00:17
I came to Shanghai as an Guest, i have to respect the Members who show me (for free of course) the City. If I don’t like the Places its always in my mind to change it.
So I don’t understand why SN2 is now so “pissed off”.
SN2: When we meet us, it looks that you are not so unlucky about the Bars, during your chat with the nice Girl, now you say she was an ugly 5-6 rated Girl? Hei be a Gentelmen.
About the payment ,AG says always its better to pay when you get the Drinks.
I have never any problem with the payment, and agree to pay it with an smile.
Of course im sure that it gives some other, maybe better cheaper, whatever Places in Shanghai. So try to find it .
Anyway, I enjoy my Visit in Shanghai, have an relaxed, absolutely safe Time with the Members(Gang or not it doesn’t matter for me, its just an funny Name).
More then this, AG helps me more then its normal for an unknown ISG Member. Book an real nice and cheap good Hotel, was all the time very friendly and an Gentelmen same for GM.
Take Care,
GS
Ace Gallant
04-24-07, 02:41
Why would a scammer PAY you back unless you did something for them?! Duh...maybe you setup a newbie for them to scam, or you were stupid enough to let them scam you willingly like I witness at TRL. Either way, losers!
Does it occurs to you that I do buy them drinks, talk to them, listern to them, spend time with them during their day off watching movies having dinner and show them a little bit more caring then as your method of looking at them as a scammer or a ****?
End of the day do not insult the members of the board here telling them that they don't know how to "Read"! Members here understand the rules of the game well, they do not need to be told who is the good guy and the "bad" guy. They can see it from your posting that I was right about the part of been jealous that you got rejected by the girl who eventually ended up on my bed.
As I said, you don't like to hanging around with me or the Gang, that's fine! You are self-invited anyways. As GM said, no lost to us. At this rate you are going, one do not need to wonder why you are making posts that has nothing nice to say about Shanghai. As Bill said: "At this rate you are going you must as well stay at home" I'll like to add to that: "At this rate you are going, you must as well stay at home with your "freebie" wife!". Why will you bother to come out?
Who is the loser here, I am sure the members here are smart enough to tell.
AG
Gualtier Malde
04-24-07, 02:52
"Read" what he is saying. He gets paid back in one form or another. It could be money or it could be pussy. Why would a scammer PAY you back unless you did something for them?! Duh...maybe you setup a newbie for them to scam, or you were stupid enough to let them scam you willingly like I witness at TRL. Either way, losers!
Dude, you have seriously crossed a line. AG is no more a scammer, directly or indirectly, than you are a gentleman.
I distinctly recall the payment time that evening, when we were looking at the slips - AG did over contribute to make up the underpayment amongst those of us sitting there. What did you do? Not a damn thing.
Go hang out at a KTV with your police department buddies. Good riddance.
To any other readers still following this pathetic wanker's topic: AG was the first person I met in Shanghai. He has been nothing but open about mongering, and helpful with finding entertainment, getting friends together, etc.
There is a reason a lot of us hang out with him. We like him, and have fun hitting the town with him.
Santa is right - there is no "gang" per se. Just a group of friends who have come to know and trust one another, and watch each other's backs while mongering.
Clearly SN2 would never be a part of that, because he does not appear to know how to make friends. Again I say good riddance.
On the other hand, another new guy in town, GermanSurvivor, who met with us the same night for the first time, was a true gentleman, and had a great time. So SN2, you bring it all on yourself. If you have a problem with Shanghai, or (I'll term it differently than "the gang") "Friends of AG", you need only look in a mirror.
GM
Ace Gallant
04-24-07, 07:14
Hi guys,
I am in Shanghai for few days and would like to know what is the full name of Shanghai hotel?
Where is it located?
Is it an actual hotel I can book a room in, or just a name of a spa place?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Sorry, in amiss of all the flame war, we had nicely forgotten to answer the request from a newbie.
Gilgil,
Shanghai Hotel is the name of a hotel in Shanghai. It is just called “Shanghai Hotel”. Its is a 5 star Hotel in which you can book rooms and stay there for short or long term. The address of the hotel is as follows:
Address:505 Wulumuqi Bei Road, Shanghai
ZipCode:200040
Telephone:021-62480088
Fax:021-62496129
It is mentioned very often is because it has a Sauna in the hotel which provides FS and great services to a lot of ISG members.
For more information of this Sauna search under the Shanghai Threads for “Shanghai Hotels”
Enjoy!
AG
Albert Punter
04-24-07, 10:31
As you made peace offer please stop.
Obviously, AG was joking when he wrote that.
As far as I am concerned, surely he didn't make any money the few times we met, together with others, as he always paid for the drinks !
I only paid for the taxi to monger around.
"Read" what he is saying. He gets paid back in one form or another. It could be money or it could be pussy. Why would a scammer PAY you back unless you did something for them?! Duh...maybe you setup a newbie for them to scam, or you were stupid enough to let them scam you willingly like I witness at TRL. Either way, losers!
Albert Punter
04-24-07, 10:53
I had deleted my other posts with address and all other info as I didn't realize they had been already posted by AG.
So, in order to help in some way, I attach a small map of the area.
Hi guys,
I am in Shanghai for few days and would like to know what is the full name of Shanghai hotel?
Where is it located?
Is it an actual hotel I can book a room in, or just a name of a spa place?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Ace Gallant
04-24-07, 11:36
Anyway I sit down and we start an Chat with GM and another Bro.
The other Brother is Member "Round Two"
AG brings me in the Manhattan Bar and I stay there alone for another few Drinks and chat with the Girls, not more ;)
Didn't you mentioned that you almost got pick up by the "Girl" with long Blond hair which we told you the next day that "She" is a ladyboy? :D
2 DAY
In the Evening I met the Gang again, and we go to an Soap Massage Club.
I like this Club my Girl NR 29 was an real cute funny and sexy Girl all the time(thanks AG+GM to let me the first choice as your Guest).
I may have make a post about this place because the Manager was giving all this information in Japanese and Chinese because he does not speak a single word of English.
After went back to the unbelivebal TRL for another Drinks, who end for me again in the Manhattan and several other Clubs till 6 in the Morning.
May be worth-while to mention how much you spent till 6am?
The Result:
Ok Bro”s next time when im back in Shanghai I promise you more time together
To all other Members,I just have to say Thanks for the welcome to an absolutely Newbie in Shanghai. I enjoy the time in Sh with the Gang ,because AG and GM always take care about the “Newbie” and try to give him some good Infos about the playing rules.
With pleasure I came back, and be sure you are welcome to visit me.
AG Thanks again for all, you are an Men with an real good sense of humor and absolutely trustfull.
You are most welcome GS. We'll look forward in your next arrival.
I have to try Peggy.
Make sure she pays you and not you pay her!!!
AG if I forget something to Post, sorry but the time was also really busy, you know.
Don't worry, that's a good report from a person whom English is not your Native language, well done!
Enjoy GS
Hey!!! you stole my closing line!!! Pay me patent!!! :D :D
Enjoy!
AG
BTW: From GS post, I know what is coming, someone on the board will start flaming me saying that "GermanSurviver" is likely to be a member name created by AG himself. So being flamed for that before.... I would answer you guys before the flame war starts... Pleaseeeeeee.... give me a break..... I heard enough of this multiple members Alias stories, bullshit accusation of me posting under a different Alias....let's get on with REAL information on the Subject of "Finding Girls for the purpose of sex"... OK?
"read" what he is saying. he gets paid back in one form or another. it could be money or it could be pussy. why would a scammer pay you back unless you did something for them?! duh...maybe you setup a newbie for them to scam, or you were stupid enough to let them scam you willingly like i witness at trl. either way, losers!man, what could have set you off to write such things? i am not sure what went on that evening to make you feel this way, but i don't think ag needs any money from these girls or establishments. i don't think you should have continued to "play" with the gang or the "ugly" girls if you felt this way. you always had the option to express your thoughts right there and then. why didn't you do this? instead of just writing about it, you had a real chance to confront some "problems" that you may have seen with the people that you met.
the only thing that comes across when you post right now are that you have sour grapes. you might be trying to warn other isg members, but as clearly seen on this thread it's not being construed in that manner. i sometimes feel that trl and its bars are a scam, but i already know what i'm getting into when i visit. isg and its members actually do a good job of educating newcomers on what to expect from such places, at least for me.
some girls might be referred to as "freebies" in this forum, but none seem to be really free for me. after i graduated from high school and college, none of the ladies have been free for me--some give you an advance or credit on their kitties, others want cash up front. i guess girls have their own rules on giving out credit. i think ag has about an 800 credit rating in the trl/bbs/mp computers.
don't succumb to peer pressure and you won't have such hard feelings about anyone. just say "no" when you don't want to do something rather than making it sound like you were coerced into just following along for the sake of "playing along."
as for as bombing ag with insults, it might have been nicer to first pm him regarding your issues instead of making accusations on a public forum. i can personally vouch for ag when it comes to mongering and the general bar scene. he makes an extra effort to watch out for newcomers to make sure that they are not exploited by the vendors. i don't speak a single word of mandarin and he's introduced me to plenty of girls and plenty of fun. i must admit that i am not easy person when it comes to such "fun."
the only bad experience i had so far was when i used the services of someone else that is well known on this forum where money was paid and not all services were rendered. even that has been worked out with no more hard feelings.
Unknown One
04-24-07, 18:18
Again, there is no such thing as a "Shanghai Gang". That's just something we made up as a casual reference to some ISG guys who know each other. AG is not the "gang leader", we just say that sometimes as a compliment to a friend.
As for scams, it's not the other guys fault if some of the girls overcharged ShanghaiNoon for drinks. The girls are more likely to try it on the new guy.
Naturally, if someone is a very regular customer and speaks chinese, his chances of scoring freebies goes up. Why does AG get freebies at TRL? Easy, it's because he's a fun guy and the girls see him as a potential sugardaddy, boyfriend or husband.
Finally, Shanghai Noon's "peace offering" was no such thing.
Santa,
Maybe you got off easy, my initiation process hurt like hell I couldnt sit for a week!
PS Going to Shenzhen next week during the holidays, fancy meeting up for dinner? I looooved that dinner we had. Man I swear when going to Shenzhen must have a few seafood meals!
:P
Hi,
Just joined the site and saw your post. I'll be in Shanghai in 2 weeks and would appreciate any contact numbers and ideas of best place to find action. Staying at Howard Johnson Plaza Hotel.
Thanks,
Clueso
GermanSurviver
04-25-07, 00:38
Ag ok. The only thing what I answer is: I never pay for Peggy? I promise it, not more or less
About your "patent" for the closing line. Is 1 Drink enouph?
You ask me what I do till 6 in the morning? Also no answer, I just have fun?
TO Round2: Hei Bro?
Your Post is exactly what its in my mind. Take care and be my Guest
Ahhh: for all other Members: I'm real, if I'm an Fake or an Alias from AG so AG have my Credit card number,
It would be an Worstcase for my Bank Account? Belive me?
Enjoy GS
GermanSurviver
04-25-07, 00:52
Give me just 1 answer:
Dont you like the Girl in the Bar?
Why shoot some Pics from you and the Girl? Don't remember?
Maybe for you she was "just an ugly 5-6 rated Girl"
I like her, she was an real nice and god Girl.
Anyway, you feel bad about the 300 RMB this Night? Does you Post to fly more then 1.5 Million just with Business Class?
#once more be a Gentelmen,dont forget you are an "Guest"
For me you look absolutly happy when I shiat this time,becouse you ask me for some more Pics. And dont forget AG pays the bill.
GS
Ace Gallant
04-25-07, 03:07
Santa,
PS Going to Shenzhen next week during the holidays, fancy meeting up for dinner? I looooved that dinner we had. Man I swear when going to Shenzhen must have a few seafood meals!
:P
I'll be there next week, Again, I'll call you when you get off the plane! :D
Enjoy!
AG
Bob Builder
04-25-07, 04:19
So out of the RMB300, you guys made something like RMB40 - 50 a piece or does AG get a bigger slice of the pie?
You guys are thieves, LOL!
me and 5 colleagues went to a karaoke bar last month with my business partner who was our local host and his nephew owned the joint. we were met there by woman in a tight business dress suit. yao ling was introduced to me as the executive secretary of our business partner. she hag big boobs and big ass. plump but not fat - just what i like in a woman even though she was a bit on the older side.
we had a room with 4 hostesses. they were reasonably accommodating (to wandering hands j but were a bit put off by the fact that 3 of our guys were pakistanis. then yao ling heated the place up. taking off her jacket revealed an almost transparent shirt showing off her ample cleaverage. she kept sitting with her legs apart showing off her pussy that was barely covered by a g-string with plenty of pubic hairs visible. while we were groping our hostesses, she was letting our pakistani colleagues pawed all over her. while they pooped her tits out of her low cut bra, she was giving them hand jobs, first above their pants then actually pulling out their cocks.
at that time, my partner informed me yao ling was a present for me for closing a deal in dubai. he suggested i could take her back to the hotel then or we could stay and shared her for a while. i chose the latter since i suspected my pakistani colleagues would not have too much fun otherwise. yao ling got on her knees and started giving us bbbj. one thing led to another and i had my first gangbang and bukkake session ever in china. we tried, but cannot get the hostesses to participate so it was not an orgy. however, i can tell they were completely fascinated even though somewhat disgusted, particularly watching yao ling getting banged by the pakistanis. i think there is some kind of race thing going on.
at the end of the night, i took yao ling back to my hotel and got a hand job in the taxi. getting into the hotel, royal meridien was a serious pain. the lobby was on the 20th floor (i think). so they have all sorts of staff on the ground floor directing guests to the appropriate lifts. then there was more staff directing you on the lobby floor to the lifts for your room which were not aligned with those from the ground floor. even though yao ling was in a business suit, the staff picked up the fact that she was a working girl. they were giving her a hard time muttering something in chinese until i firmly told them to leave us alone and that we could find our own way to our room. all told i had 4 sessions with yao ling in one evening starting at the karaoke club. that was a record for me.
i had 3 great days with yao ling before i left town. my colleagues were completely envious. i posted her picture in the photo section. be warned: many readers thought she was fat, old and ugly – but i found her incredibly kinky. oh well.
btw: this was the first time i had a 'present' in my life even though i had heard of such practice before but kind of chalked that down to urban legend.
Shanghai Noon #2
04-25-07, 06:17
So out of the RMB300, you guys made something like RMB40 - 50 a piece or does AG get a bigger slice of the pie?
You guys are thieves, LOL!
I want to clarify my position in that at no time did I ever think AG is a scammer. I have met the man and his friends and I like them, they are nice people. They have good points and bad points just like every one of us. Look, I know that the girls only make 10RMB/drink so suggesting that AG is getting kickback in money terms is ridiculous. I thought everyone understood that! Apparently not everyone:-) If, in the heat of argument my joke was misinterpreted, I hope everyone understands.
Thus far, I have enjoyed and learned from interacting with people on this board. I have been fortunate in that respect and have no horror story to tell. I will endeavor to be friendly to everyone I meet and help my fellow man, whenever possible. In fact, I wish AG and every one of his friends the best.
so far this year i have spent more time in china than at home. got tired of the p4p. decided a few weeks ago to concentrate my efforts on cultivating a local freebie.
hit the usual places - bars, discos, starbucks, etc. had great luck tracking down all kinds of sw's (i think there are more sw per capita here than bangkok for christ sake!) but not too much luck with local girls.
recently i decided to take a different tact. i've been going to the local soapy, and seeing the same girl quite often. she and i really hit it off - her english is pretty good and she is relatively new to the biz so she isn't too jaded yet.
she gave me her cell# and we arranged to meet after her shift. well we only ended up grabbing some food and talking that night. next night same thing - met up grabbed some drinks and talked. i never pushed the issue or said i wanted anything else - she is pretty cool and i do enjoy hanging out with her.
third night (friday) when i met her, she said she wanted to go back to my hotel with me. i insisted that we grab something to eat first. she agreed, but was actually more anxious than me to get back to the hotel.
once we got to the hotel, i told her to relax. i wanted to take care of her tonight. i didn't want her to feel like she was working or had to do anything to please me at all. let her take a shower by herself (her request). then gave her a nice massage. really tried to take things at a natural speed rather than the usual 4f of p4p.
we spent the night making out and talking. i never suggested we have sex at all. fell asleep and in the morning she woke me up stroking lil' bro. she started to go down on me and i told her that i was still taking care of her - so i went daty.
at first she seemed uncomfortable - what the hell? chinese guys don't like to eat pussy, so their ladies don't know how to enjoy? well, after about 2 minutes, she was done with the shy routine and was really getting into the situation. i took my time and made sure she was satisfied (twice) before stopping.
then i asked her if i could make love to her. she smiled and nodded her head enthusiatically. on went the cap and we had a fantastic session that lasted about 90 minutes. honestly, i was hard as hell, but couldn't get my nut. it was really a great session though, she came several times, and when i finally did pop we were completely exhausted.
we showered, and i started wondering if she was going to hit me up for money. she never said a word about money though. i asked her if it was alright to come to the soapy and see her, but she said don't worry, she wanted to see me again when she finished work.
we went to grab lunch and talked some more. she said she had a great time and was so glad that i took everything very slow. she said i reminded her of how two people should be together.
we've spent a few more nghts together. sometimes we just talk or make out and sometimes we get busy. again absolutely no mention of money. when we get something to eat, she always insits on paying even though i usually grab the check and pay anyway. and she insitst that i don't need to see her at work anymore.
she knows i'm only in shanghai a few weeks at a time, and that i am married.
so i defer to members more experienced with chinese women than me - is there such a thing as fwb in china? i've been in fwb relationships with us women before, not sw's though. is there a catch to this situation i am not seeing? these are not the actions of money grubbing sw's that i have read about in the forum.
I want to clarify my position in that at no time did I ever think AG is a scammer. I have met the man and his friends and I like them, they are nice people. They have good points and bad points just like every one of us. Look, I know that the girls only make 10RMB/drink so suggesting that AG is getting kickback in money terms is ridiculous. I thought everyone understood that! Apparently not everyone:-) If, in the heat of argument my joke was misinterpreted, I hope everyone understands.
Thus far, I have enjoyed and learned from interacting with people on this board. I have been fortunate in that respect and have no horror story to tell. I will endeavor to be friendly to everyone I meet and help my fellow man, whenever possible. In fact, I wish AG and every one of his friends the best.
OK. That is a peace offering! I'm sure our friends AG and GM will accept that as a sincere apology for misunderstandings.
Shag Lover
04-25-07, 08:56
this is my first report. hope you will be kind. i read all the posts i could before i showed up in china, and i know you folks aren't very nice to us guys who don't do that, so please be nice to me.
i really like the down and dirty. i'm not a young man, and i can't say that it is easy for me to attract young pussy anymore. except as i now know, in china. god, i think i must have died and gone to heaven, somebody help me i think i'll pass out...
i had a chance to go to shanghai china. what a gift to a drowning man. you better believe i took it. and i read everything you fellows had to say about this city, and man it is all true. and then some.
i spent many nights before my trip dreaming about those saunas, the red ropes, the easy street *****s, and tongren road. sounded like there are so many women ready to fuck a man with a dick i just couldn't stop salivating. i had to carry a kleenex around just to keep the spittle off my chin before i arrived.
that airport is a damn long way away from town. i thought the taxi driver was ripping me off. but i did remember somebody saying something about that, so i barely kept my cool, until sure enough, it started looking like the city in the tour book, and i knew i was getting close to some hot pussy.
i got to my hotel, but man it was kind of a dump. they said it was three stars, but back where i come from, it was probably a one star. but hey, there was a condom for sale in the bathroom, so i figured things were looking up. if you have a bad hotel, the best way to cheer a fellow up is to put condoms for sale in the bathroom. well, that, and call the poor guy up and ask him if he wants a massage.
yup, they did, and i did, but the lady that showed up wanted a hell of a lot more money than i thought i should pay, after reading this forum. i got her talked down to 800 yuans. i know you fellows think i paid way too much, but hey, man, i was horny, and i just got down off the plane, and man, it ain't that much after all. anyway, if any of you are bent out of shape over it, she wasn't that good after all, seemed to rush things too much.
i was still feeling horny! i got the front desk to write down how to get to tongren road. that took some work, they had a hard time with my chinese - ha ha ha.
well, the taxi driver got me there in one piece, and i was smart enough to get my hotel to give me a card.
what the heck is it with all these old moms with kid beggars. shit, i want to kick somebody's ass for letting that happen. what a damn shame! they are annoying like hell too.
tongren road was not quite what i expected. the strip is shorter than i thought it would be. but i could see some sleazy women outside. they were all calling me in. but i've been around long enough to know that if there are women hanging around outside trying to drag you in to the bar, man there is something wrong inside that bar. i decided to go in a bar that seemed to be doing alright for itself, without those sleazy (i'll admit a few were cute) women trying to drag me in.
i went to the one called manhattan. ok. i get it. lots of women here. just like what i read about. man, this place was loaded with ho's! and i saw this one woman get up on the bar, she was hot! she didn't take her clothes off though. back where i come from, she'd have been naked and guys would have been throwing money at her. i guess they still have something to learn about capitalism here in communist china. ha ha ha
there were plenty of young chicks that wanted to hook up with me. but i decided to get a beer. sing tao, i said. they said whut?!?!?! ha ha. nobody understands my chinese in this town. what the hell is wrong with them? ha ha. i got my beer, and started talking to this chinese dude. hey, he's not from china. shit, either said his name was sunny, or he worked for sunny, maybe sony, hell i don't know. he was younger than me though. sort of bushy hair for a chinese guy. we sort of started checking out the chicks. he didn't seem to be having much luck yet. poor fucker.
i spotted this foxy woman. well for me she was foxy. sunny thought she was too old, but hey, i'm not a young'un anymore. i think if they have some age on them they know what the hell they want. this chinese woman was partying down, and slamming the drinks. i introduced myself. man, she was sexy to me.
we partied a while, shared some drinks. that woman can pound some booze. seemed like it was a good time to head out. but she was feeling sorry for my new friend sunny. (i can't even remember if that's his damn name, but that's what i called him. he was sort of a dick head, so hell, i don't much care.)
anyway, my girl (i'm not gonna give you her name, i'll call her jane), jane said why don't you bring sunny. he's been looking at bambi (not her real name). i think he likes her. i'll get her to come. so jane talked to bambi and we all headed out to my hotel room.
i don't know why i brought sunny along. he was being a jerk about the whole thing. he was saying they were gonna rip us off, and he didn't like me that much either. what an asshole. but man, bambi was a young cutie, and jane (my woman) was just right for me. in the taxi, she was rubbing my dick just the way i like it, and she was sort of rubbing bambi too. poor sunny was stuck in the front seat, maybe that's why he was whining so damn much. ha ha. i made him pay for the taxi.
we got up to the room. man i love an orgy, and it looked like that was what was gonna happen. i won't bore you with all the sucking and fucking that went on, but it went on for some time. we stopped for a bit, and then jane told me something that just fucking blew me away! bambi is her daughter!!!
i mean we were all on the bed together, i was fucking jane, and sucking bambi's tits. it was great. sunny was having problems. he sort of popped quick, as soon as bambi started playing with his dick. he went off to the sofa and was like pissed off. i told him to hang out, relax, maybe he'd get his hardon back and could fuck either one.
but then the worst thing happened. bambi realized what jane told me, and went berserk!! she started screaming at her mom! i can't believe you told him that!!!! i am so ashamed!!!! shit, man, this is my first night in china, and i have a family of crazy women in my hotel room, and a sulking premature popper on the sofa waiting to get his hardon back.
bambi (not her real name) got so crazy she kicked out the fucking window of the room. i didn't know those windows opened, but they do, a little. enough to open up a little for air. but she kicked it past the stop, and jumped out the window!!!!
shiiiit. this is my first night in china, and a damn woman breaks my hotel window, and then tries to kill herself.
my room was on the 2nd floor. dumb *****. she hardly had a scrape.
but sunny ran out the door. jane wanted 3000 yuans for two of them. i told her she was as crazy as her daughter. i gave her 500 yuans and kicked her out, then called the bell man. told him exactly what happened. fucking hotel manager showed up. wanted me to pay for the window. i told him what happened, and told him i'd call the fucking embassy and make sure nobody booked this hotel again. anyway, long story short, we all cooled off, i paid for the damage, nobody called the cops.
when you go to tongren road, be careful of that crazy mom and daughter in manhatten.
fucking crazy women, and if i ever find that asshole sunny, or sony, or whatever that bastards name is he is owing me some money.
this is shag lover.
editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Ace Gallant
04-25-07, 09:36
me and 5 colleagues went to a karaoke bar last month with my business partner who was our local host and his nephew owned the joint. we were met there by woman in a tight business dress suit. yao ling was introduced to me as the executive secretary of our business partner. she hag big boobs and big ass. plump but not fat - just what i like in a woman even though she was a bit on the older side.
we had a room with 4 hostesses. they were reasonably accommodating (to wandering hands j but were a bit put off by the fact that 3 of our guys were pakistanis. then yao ling heated the place up. taking off her jacket revealed an almost transparent shirt showing off her ample cleaverage. she kept sitting with her legs apart showing off her pussy that was barely covered by a g-string with plenty of pubic hairs visible. while we were groping our hostesses, she was letting our pakistani colleagues pawed all over her. while they pooped her tits out of her low cut bra, she was giving them hand jobs, first above their pants then actually pulling out their cocks.
at that time, my partner informed me yao ling was a present for me for closing a deal in dubai. he suggested i could take her back to the hotel then or we could stay and shared her for a while. i chose the latter since i suspected my pakistani colleagues would not have too much fun otherwise. yao ling got on her knees and started giving us bbbj. one thing led to another and i had my first gangbang and bukkake session ever in china. we tried, but cannot get the hostesses to participate so it was not an orgy. however, i can tell they were completely fascinated even though somewhat disgusted, particularly watching yao ling getting banged by the pakistanis. i think there is some kind of race thing going on.
at the end of the night, i took yao ling back to my hotel and got a hand job in the taxi. getting into the hotel, royal meridien was a serious pain. the lobby was on the 20th floor (i think). so they have all sorts of staff on the ground floor directing guests to the appropriate lifts. then there was more staff directing you on the lobby floor to the lifts for your room which were not aligned with those from the ground floor. even though yao ling was in a business suit, the staff picked up the fact that she was a working girl. they were giving her a hard time muttering something in chinese until i firmly told them to leave us alone and that we could find our own way to our room. all told i had 4 sessions with yao ling in one evening starting at the karaoke club. that was a record for me.
i had 3 great days with yao ling before i left town. my colleagues were completely envious. i posted her picture in the photo section. be warned: many readers thought she was fat, old and ugly – but i found her incredibly kinky. oh well.
btw: this was the first time i had a 'present' in my life even though i had heard of such practice before but kind of chalked that down to urban legend.
it is not an uncommon business practice in china or should i say asia. except the part about doing all of these in a karaoke bar. if this is true, i would assumed that this is one of the “underground” private ktvs that i had mentioned in some of my post. if it is not, perhaps you like to share with us the name and the address of this bar?
btw: beauty is in the eyes of the beholder! you think she is beautiful others may think she is not; but long as you enjoyed yourself , who cares???
enjoy!
ag
Asdvlerner
04-25-07, 09:48
The last 50 or so reports have been wasted on this guys whining / complaining / accusations..
WHAT A WASTE! over 250 quai? C'mon
For me he's on ignore - I suggest others do the same.
Ag, GM, OAH, Santa and other regular contributors here have consistantly provided useful information & tips. Though I've not had the pleasure to meet any of them, I can verify that the information they've shared over time has benefited me. I don't post much as I generally don't blaze too many trails, but I have experienced several of the services freely reported & reviewd by these guys & others with excellent success.
So - IGNORE this guy & let's get back to the subject at hand.
JMHPOV
Cheers,
Asdv
If this is true, I would assumed that this is one of the “underground” Private KTVs that I had mentioned in some of my post. If it is not, perhaps you like to share with us the name and the address of this bar?
I am not sure where the place was since we were driven there and I do not really know Shanghai well. Not necessary much help but it did not seem to be that far from the Shanghai Acrobat stadium which looked like a giant half golf ball off a highway (the one with the motor bikes inside a ball show).
The place had a big neon karaoke sign outside and there were quite a few other customers. So I think it is quite legit. However, we were taken to a different section of the building (actually I had the feeling we went into a different building) which was supposed to be for VIPs. Unlike the rooms in the main section, our room looked like it is really for parties with karaoke as kind of an after thought.
BTW: Most of the hostesses seemed to be from the north or mongolia. They were fairer and bigger and not at all like the typical girls I saw in Hong Kong.
BBTW: Yao Ling did not work for the KTV. She was the only one that had sex with everyone. The other hostess let us groped them all over but stop short of real sex of any form, not even a hand job.
Ace Gallant
04-25-07, 10:31
I am not sure where the place was since we were driven there and I do not really know Shanghai well. Not necessary much help but it did not seem to be that far from the Shanghai Acrobat stadium which looked like a giant half golf ball off a highway (the one with the motor bikes inside a ball show). The place had a big neon karaoke sign outside and there were quite a few other customers. So I think it is quite legit. However, we were taken to a different section of the building (actually I had the feeling we went into a different building) which was supposed to be for VIPs. BTW: Most of the hostesses seemed to be from the north or mongolia. They were fairer and bigger and not at all like the typical girls I saw in Hong Kong.
I see.... likely to be in Xujiahui. Heard of some "Underground" joints around that area. However it seem like the one you been brought to is not an "Undergound" KTV but a Legit place with a special VIP section.
The only big problems with these VIP section or Underground KTVs or Underground Saunas or Underground Strip joints is that you need a connection to get in. Besides, a lot of them are hesitant to entertain Foreigners mainly because of the following:
1) If the Authority found out about it they will have to shut it down permanently. It’s a political situation if when foreigners are involved. As the Olympics draws closer, and the entry into WTO, China wants to portray herself as a clean anti-vice country. It is a Pride of the country thing.
2) Some operators of these places have the concepts that foreigners cannot keep secrets. You let one know of such places, they will return to the country and tell the others. This will then turn into an open secret.
3) Regular customers to those “underground” places are majority Chinese, and they do not like to “Share” their private girls with foreigners. Again, here it is something about their Pride.
Just my POV.
Enjoy!
AG
OldAsiaHand
04-25-07, 10:43
Asdvlerner,
I totally agree. Please note my famous last words above.
OAH
The last 50 or so reports have been wasted on this guys whining / complaining / accusations..
WHAT A WASTE! over 250 quai? C'mon
For me he's on ignore - I suggest others do the same.
Ag, GM, OAH, Santa and other regular contributors here have consistantly provided useful information & tips. Though I've not had the pleasure to meet any of them, I can verify that the information they've shared over time has benefited me. I don't post much as I generally don't blaze too many trails, but I have experienced several of the services freely reported & reviewd by these guys & others with excellent success.
So - IGNORE this guy & let's get back to the subject at hand.
JMHPOV
Cheers,
Asdv
Shanghai Jack
04-25-07, 14:27
For the first time in my life, I am not so happy to return to Shanghai from a trip. Japan was just too good and although I burned 10.000 RMB in 2 days just for having sex, I regret nothing. If you wanna know more and prepare for your Japan trip, check the posts in the 'Tokyo' section.
Anyway, I decided to check out Shanghai Hotel before depression kicks in. If I look back on my visits to Shanghai Hotel and other saunas in Shanghai, the bell curve describes (as usual) quite good the different experiences I had there.
A: In 5% of the visits I meet this perfect girl where I have the time of my life with a perfect GFE.
B: In 30% of the visits, I have a good time. I pay a high price (for China) to receive a high end service and enjoy it. But I don't remember the girl after 1 hour.
C: In 30% of the visits, I fuck the girl and go home. Nothing spectacular, but quite o.k. and once in a while I need it.
D: In 30% of the cases, it is a waste of money. The shop is not nice, the girls are not pretty, they complain about size, the service is mechanical, etc.
E: In 5% of the cases, I just want to run - and sometimes I do it indeed.
--> How does your bell curve look like?
(By the way, do all these percentages add up to 100 percent?)
Today, I went for number 37 from ChengDu. Quite pretty and she smiled at me, normally a good sign. But the service was a bit lame, only CBJ and complaints about size during FS. We shared a smoke and had a quite nice (but limited) conversation afterwards. But this is not what you usually want to have when you go there. So 37 is definitely no repeater. And she is in the D section of the bell curve...
Have fun,
SJ
Ace Gallant
04-25-07, 15:59
For the first time in my life, I am not so happy to return to Shanghai from a trip. Japan was just too good and although I burned 10.000 RMB in 2 days just for having sex, I regret nothing. If you wanna know more and prepare for your Japan trip, check the posts in the 'Tokyo' section.
SJ
SJ,
I hate to spoilt your fun, but 80% of those "Japanese" places in Tokyo that except Foreigners (Gaijin friendly) are using Chinese / Korean girls. Although they may be Chineses / Koreans these girls learnt Japanese. So Japanese speaking girls in Japan doesn't mean they are Japanese.
I lived in Japan for 5 years, majority of the Japanese that I've fxxked are freebies or they are from Kyabakura (Japanese Clubs). These are clubs like the chat bars in Shanghai. Of course with the Kyabakura girls, become their regular customers, you spend a lot of money on them and if they like you... you do them for "free". These girls, you get real GFE.
Those shops that provides FS or in other words AF (Anal Fxxk) will use Chinese / Korean girls. The real Japanese ones will normally that are Gaijin friendly normally provides Kamata which a special techique in which they will grip your dick with their inner thigh and makes you felt like you are fxxking them.
Of course there are the exceptions of Japanese escort services and freelancers which will be asking for ridiculous prices (in other words Ripped offs).
I used to own 2 of these Kyabakura in Japan and knows of those in the trade well. We often have to "pay respect" to the Japanese Yakusa if you know what I meant.... ;)
OK... enough of Japan!
After I moved to Shanghai, I have found Shanghai a lot more fun in terms of variety and beautiful girls. Unless of course if you are referring to S&M, Hentai, Mass Gang Bang....which is almost not possible in China.
Enjoy!
AG
As the Olympics draws closer, and the entry into WTO, China wants to portray herself as a clean anti-vice country.
The first part is really true. Not sure about the WTO bit.
The place we went to was owned by the nephew of my business partner who told me they were getting tough and started cleaning up for the Olympics. He thought the BBS would get shut down in major games venues. So enjoy them when you can. When the government shut things down, they really do that completely. On the other hand, they will surely resurface after the game.
On cleaning up, I was totally surprised that during the last 3 visits to Shanghai the city was clean ... and the biggest surprise of all ... even the public toilets!
BTW: Apparently the main karaoke part of the place was open to public but the VIP section was for special events only and need tobe booked in advance. In general, I was told most non-central karaoke clubs outside down town do not like non-east asian forigners because they attract unwelcome attention. Japanese and Korean are very welcome since they look chinese and have lots of money. South asians from India and Pakistan are generally not welcome. So we really had a very special treat.
Ace Gallant
04-25-07, 16:51
i was laughing my head off... can you believe this guy?
i really like the down and dirty.
i knew i was getting close to some hot pussy.
a true monger will smell out pussy!
i got to my hotel, but man it was kind of a dump. they said it was three stars, but back where i come from, it was probably a one star.
hey, didn't you said you like the down and dirty? read above!
yup, they did, and i did, but the lady that showed up wanted a hell of a lot more money than i thought i should pay, after reading this forum. i got her talked down to 800 yuans. i know you fellows think i paid way too much, but hey, man, i was horny, and i just got down off the plane, and man, it ain't that much after all. anyway, if any of you are bent out of shape over it, she wasn't that good after all, seemed to rush things too much.
what did she initially asked for?
well, the taxi driver got me there in one piece, and i was smart enough to get my hotel to give me a card.
you meant the driving skills of the driver was bad or what???
what the heck is it with all these old moms with kid beggars. shit, i want to kick somebody's ass for letting that happen. what a damn shame! they are annoying like hell too.
oh.... they double as sws in th day.
tongren road was not quite what i expected. the strip is shorter than i thought it would be. but i could see some sleazy women outside. they were all calling me in. but i've been around long enough to know that if there are women hanging around outside trying to drag you in to the bar, man there is something wrong inside that bar. i decided to go in a bar that seemed to be doing alright for itself, without those sleazy (i'll admit a few were cute) women trying to drag me in.
what??? are you kidding or what? as far as a know... every bars will put their best looking, sweet talker outside to attract cusotmer and bring the customers in.
this is shanghai and not amsterdam! if you think trl is too short; try hengshan lu next time.
i guess they still have something to learn about capitalism here in communist china. ha ha ha
hey hey hey!!!! careful here… they might track you down and shoot you for saying that!!!
hey, he's not from china. shit, either said his name was sunny, or he worked for sunny, maybe sony, hell i don't know. he was younger than me though. sort of bushy hair for a chinese guy. we sort of started checking out the chicks. he didn't seem to be having much luck yet. poor fucker.
oh oh….. sound like someone i know and met recently…..
i spotted this foxy woman. well for me she was foxy. sunny thought she was too old, but hey, i'm not a young'un anymore. i think if they have some age on them they know what the hell they want. this chinese woman was partying down, and slamming the drinks. i introduced myself. man, she was sexy to me.
we stopped for a bit, and then jane told me something that just fucking blew me away! bambi is her daughter!!!
but then the worst thing happened. bambi realized what jane told me, and went berserk!! she started screaming at her mom! i can't believe you told him that!!!! i am so ashamed!!!! shit, man, this is my first night in china, and i have a family of crazy women in my hotel room, and a sulking premature popper on the sofa waiting to get his hardon back.
bambi (not her real name) got so crazy she kicked out the fucking window of the room. i didn't know those windows opened, but they do, a little. enough to open up a little for air. but she kicked it past the stop, and jumped out the window!!!!
my room was on the 2nd floor. dumb *****. she hardly had a scrape.
when you go to tongren road, be careful of that crazy mom and daughter in manhatten.
again…. sounds like some people i know on trl!!!!
fucking crazy women, and if i ever find that asshole sunny, or sony, or whatever that bastards name is he is owing me some money.
what???? you expect him to pay for the quick 2 mins premature ……. ok… sorry… got carried away… but what i was trying to say was….you are the one who had all the fun, what you expect him to pay? 50 rmb out of the 500 rmb as his share? come on… don’t be that cheap… i am sure you can afford to buy him a hj!
hey… come to think of it??? are you sure this is your first time to shanghai?
enjoy!
ag
GermanSurviver
04-25-07, 19:20
Next time I bet you don't pick up any SW Girls :)
I just have to say "ce't la Vie" it means "thats life"
But all in all a very marvelous Story :)
AG why didn't you offer me such nights?
GS
Ace Gallant
04-26-07, 01:43
AG why didn't you offer me such nights?
GS
That's simple, if I do offer you the rights to use my ending line or opening line; some member/s will start accusing you = AG. Remember what happens to me recently? Some wanker accused me of using multiple Alias on the board just because another member copied the word that I used often.
Enjoy!
AG
So I defer to members more experienced with Chinese women than me - is there such a thing as FWB in China? I've been in FWB relationships with US women before, not SW's though. Is there a catch to this situation I am not seeing? These are not the actions of money grubbing SW's that I have read about in the forum.
For sure there is such a thing as Friends with benefits in China. But with a SW?!?!?!?! That is a bit unusal but I guess if you can bang them right why not. Perhaps its been a while since shes had a good pounding
Ace Gallant
04-26-07, 07:24
So far this year I have spent more time in China than at home. Got tired of the P4P. Decided a few weeks ago to concentrate my efforts on cultivating a local Freebie.
Hit the usual places - Bars, Discos, Starbucks, etc. Had great luck tracking down all kinds of SW's (I think there are more SW per capita here than Bangkok for Christ sake!) but not too much luck with local girls.
You would find freebie hunting a little more exciting and challenging. However my advice;
1) For a start; freebies do not get too attached to them. As I said many time before; Freebies are easy to get but difficult to get rid. I know of several friends who are stuck to one or two freebies whom they cannot let go.
2) Do not get too romantic with freebie/s unless you intend to take them in seriously as GF or future wife. Because if you get too romantic, they “automatically’ attached themselves to you and start calling you “Hubby” 老公…
3) Of course, freebie are not really that “Free” be prepared for disappointment. Unless you are very lucky or very good at spotting “freebie” materials… you may get a lot of rejections. The girls in China are so into this Money thing… ;)
Recently I decided to take a different tact. I've been going to the local Soapy, and seeing the same girl quite often. She and I really hit it off - her English is pretty good and she is relatively new to the biz so she isn't too jaded yet.
It is highly possible to get freebie from Saunas.
We showered, and I started wondering if she was going to hit me up for money. She never said a word about money though. I asked her if it was alright to come to the Soapy and see her, but she said don't worry, she wanted to see me again when she finished work.
So I defer to members more experienced with Chinese women than me - is there such a thing as FWB in China? I've been in FWB relationships with US women before, not SW's though. Is there a catch to this situation I am not seeing? These are not the actions of money grubbing SW's that I have read about in the forum.
The chance of getting a Freebie from Saunas are higher than from SWs.
We spent the night making out and talking. I never suggested we have sex at all. Fell asleep and in the morning she woke me up stroking lil' bro. She started to go down on me and I told her that I was still taking care of her - so I went DATY.
At first she seemed uncomfortable - what the hell? Chinese guys don't like to eat pussy, so their ladies don't know how to enjoy?
As much as Chinese Girls do not like to BJ, Chinese guys thinks it is “dirty” to DATY. I think it is a culture thing… however, although I love DATY, I never give DATY or BB a girl that I had not taken to a blood test.
Enjoy!
AG
Have any of you tried this girl? I called her and she said she will be free after her exams on May 11. She sent her photos, her blog so its a lot of real photos and she looks good. Her price is of course too high and I will bargain, just asking if any of you have tried her?
hi,I am Karen. i am a college student . I live in shanghai 170cm 59kg 23 years old .My hobbies are music, sporting and reading. i live near the bund welcome to shanghai.have a nice trip
i would like to show you around shanghai,if you like .
I am a sexy cute chinese girl and have good shape very healthy
I would like to meet you .Hope you are kind and generous.
Tell sth more about you .i want to know you more~~~
I could give you 24hours service ：
tourist guide , translator, private secretary: 500rmb/day
night nurse :charge 1500rmb/day
night nurse :normal sex with cdm, suck cock without condom Blow job， but no anal.
hope to see you soon
karen
Ace Gallant
04-26-07, 10:02
Have any of you tried this girl? I called her and she said she will be free after her exams on May 11. She sent her photos, her blog so its a lot of real photos and she looks good. Her price is of course too high and I will bargain, just asking if any of you have tried her?
hi,I am Karen. i am a college student . I live in shanghai 170cm 59kg 23 years old .My hobbies are music, sporting and reading. i live near the bund welcome to shanghai.have a nice trip
i would like to show you around shanghai,if you like .
I am a sexy cute chinese girl and have good shape very healthy
I would like to meet you .Hope you are kind and generous.
Tell sth more about you .i want to know you more~~~
I could give you 24hours service ：
tourist guide , translator, private secretary: 500rmb/day
night nurse :charge 1500rmb/day
night nurse :normal sex with cdm, suck cock without condom Blow job， but no anal.
hope to see you soon
karen
Did she said she is in third year of Collage? I had a girl from Collage a year ago. Same kind of introduction but I can't remember her name. However the price was:
tourist guide , translator, private secretary: 300rmb/day
night nurse :charge 800rmb/day
I had her once, not very experience in sex but definitely GFE. I tried to call her back 2 months later to service my friend but her number was discontinued.
She is really 170cm 59kg , 21 year old and was in her second year back than.
Seems like the price doubled as she get into her final years of Collage! :D
Kind enough to send her photo? I'll txt you my email address....
Enjoy!
AG
Sent you the photos..Is that the girl?
Ace Gallant
04-26-07, 10:31
Sent you the photos..Is that the girl?
Nope, different girl, but mine girl is a little prettier. Strange... Karen looks familiar.... seen her somewhere before.... my old memory fading. Need to reformat soon.
The funny thing is; they use the same introduction of themselve, maybe they belong to the same "company?" or their Collage rent them out? :D
Any other member seen or done girls with such introduction?
Enjoy!
AG
Just called her again. She will be busy for studies this coming May holidays since her exam is from May 7 10 10th. She will be free week after that but only on days she does not have her OJT.
Probably a girl ttrying to earn some pocket money...
I tried another girl couple of months ago and her add was like this:
hi,
i'm a beautiful chinese girl,student,good education,sexy,23 years old,165cm,50kg,and speak english and chinese.
i live in shanghai and i offre the service of companion,guide,traslation and so on.
the price is 500 yuan/day.this is my pic and my telephone number is:
thank you
I bargained and this was what I paid her:
tell me the time and the place,we can meet.
for 2 or 3 hours as many sex as you want ,it's 800 yuans.
you can send me a sms or call me
Ace Gallant
04-26-07, 11:26
Just called her again. She will be busy for studies this coming May holidays since her exam is from May 7 10 10th. She will be free week after that but only on days she does not have her OJT.
Probably a girl ttrying to earn some pocket money...
I tried another girl couple of months ago and her add was like this:
You are right, there are a lot of these freelancers from Collage trying to make some extra bucks during the school Holidays.
BTW: You been away for a while... welcome back and have a happy holidays!
Enjoy!
AG
All the flaming has subsided. Phew.
Out of curiosity, where do you guys find those ads? Am curious and maybe want to try and see. Hehe.
Shanghai Jack
04-26-07, 17:31
SJ,
I hate to spoilt your fun, but 80% of those "Japanese" places in Tokyo that except Foreigners (Gaijin friendly) are using Chinese / Korean girls. Although they may be Chineses / Koreans these girls learnt Japanese. So Japanese speaking girls in Japan doesn't mean they are Japanese.
Enjoy!
AGHey AG,
I feel somehow great to get a reply from you. After reading a lot in and contributing a bit to this forum, I really feel honored to get a reply by you. I think the girl was Japanese and according to the other posts about AM in the Tokyo forum I think they really provide Japanese girls. I have been in Japan many times and although I cannot speak the language, I think I can tell a Japanese girl from a Chinese girl, they are just too different. And I can 100% say she did not use the famous thigh technique. At least in some positions, where it was mechanically impossible ;-)
But in the end, I don't care if she was Japanese, Chinese, Korean or from whatever nationality. It was just a great experience, overpriced compared to Shanghai standards, but an unforgetable experience.
But of course Shanghai still is my favorite city!
Today, I finally managed to try the 'pub' and it was quite nice. Like the last time I was there, the selection of girls was not perfect, but my friend SSBB and me needed to try it. My girl was not a looker, but very skilled at BBBJ and very kind. She had me finished before my beer was half-empty and after I met my friend back at the bar it was the first time he asked me for a cigarette and had a smoke - so it seems it was not so bad for him, as well.
Total damage: 320 RMB - not the best place in Shanghai, but good for a fast fix.
AG: Hope we can hang out some day, there is still so much to discover in Shanghai.
Have fun,
SJ
Ace Gallant
04-26-07, 17:49
Hey AG,
But in the end, I don't care if she was Japanese, Chinese, Korean or from whatever nationality. It was just a great experience, overpriced compared to Shanghai standards, but an unforgetable experience.
But of course Shanghai still is my favorite city!
AG: Hope we can hang out some day, there is still so much to discover in Shanghai.
Have fun,
SJSJ,
You are right, AM provides Japanese girls. Like I said I am not trying to say that you have been scam or tricked. Just letting you know some facts about Japanese.
At the end of the day, who care if they are real Japanese or fake, just as long as you enjoyed yourself and thinks it is worth the money, why not?
You cannot compare the prices from Japan to Shanghai, neither can you compare the Japanese Pussies with Chinese.
Enjoy!
AG
BTW: On the hanging out part....hmmm I need time to think about it. Mainly because ..... you should know why... after what happened recently...
SJ,
I hate to spoilt your fun, but 80% of those "Japanese" places in Tokyo that except Foreigners (Gaijin friendly) are using Chinese / Korean girls. Although they may be Chineses / Koreans these girls learnt Japanese. So Japanese speaking girls in Japan doesn't mean they are Japanese.
AGThe problems with Asian looks is that it is near to impossible to tell a person's nationality just by looking at their face or features. At a pub in Malaysia, I saw a lady who looked one hundred percent Japanese to me and I approached her and spoke to her in my limited Japanese. She answered back to me in Japanese and then we switched to talking in English as my Japanese was confined to what I had learnt in university days. To my surprise I found out that she was a Pinoy, having studied the language and having worked in Tokyo before.
Likewise at the same pub, I saw a lady who looked one hundred percent Chinese but upon further questioning I found out that she was also one hundred percent Pinoy without having any Chinese ancestors.
Traveler1234
04-26-07, 19:31
The problems with Asian looks is that it is near to impossible to tell a person's nationality just by looking at their face or features.That's funny...not to start a war but this was discussed sometime back, think in 'living in china' thread.
Most Asians who travel regionally and on regular basis can tell the difference a mile away...not 100% but I'd said 90%+.
Don't ask, not sure how we do it but I can tell difference btw Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Vietnamese, Filip, Thai, Malay, etc.. Some more obvious that others.
My wife, who is originally from Taiwan wasn't able to do this when we first married but after leaving Taiwan and having lived in several other asian countries and stateside these past 30 yrs get's it more than 70% right....
Back home (stateside), it's even funnier. Often I'll run into someone who out of the blue tries to speak a few polite words of Japanese to me - thinking of course I am japanese. Real reason - he went to Japan a couple of times and thought we all looked alike so tried to use his language skills. Similarly, another time, same story but in Korean language...same reason. Again not a jab at anyone or any ethnic group....
LOL
SJ,
You are right, AM provides Japanese girls. Like I said I am not trying to say that you have been scam or tricked. Just letting you know some facts about Japanese.
At the end of the day, who care if they are real Japanese or fake, just as long as you enjoyed yourself and thinks it is worth the money, why not?
You cannot compare the prices from Japan to Shanghai, neither can you compare the Japanese Pussies with Chinese.
Enjoy!
AG
BTW: On the hanging out part. Hmmm, I need time to think about it. Mainly because you should know why, after what happened recently.AG,
I agree with you that as long as the money is well spent on the entertainment, it does not matter what nationality the entertainer is. We go to a place to enjoy ourselves and if we are rewarded with good service, that is the most important aspect. Imagine wanting a Japanese to serve us and if the service is horrible, we cannot generalise that all Japanese are bad. Likewise if we go to a Japanese pub and the service is good but it comes from someone who is not Japanese we should not be so choosy as to say we expected to be served by a real 'Japanese' as compared to a fake Japanese'.
Prices varies from places to places within the same city. We cannot say that we would be willing to pay so much only for a particular service and to compare prices in that place with another place in another part of the world. Even within the same city, price variations can vary tremendously depending on the type and class of entertainment joint.
One Wing Low
04-26-07, 20:13
I did a few Japanese girls, both in Japan and in US. IMHO the Japanese pussies are the tightest.
Have never found other ethnic goups with consistently very tight and wet pussies like Japanese... even Korean or Chinese.
I may be subjective. Wanna hear from other mongers ...
SJ,
You are right, AM provides Japanese girls. Like I said I am not trying to say that you have been scam or tricked. Just letting you know some facts about Japanese.
At the end of the day, who care if they are real Japanese or fake, just as long as you enjoyed yourself and thinks it is worth the money, why not?
You cannot compare the prices from Japan to Shanghai, neither can you compare the Japanese Pussies with Chinese.
Enjoy!
AG
BTW: On the hanging out part....hmmm I need time to think about it. Mainly because ..... you should know why... after what happened recently...
I did a few Japanese girls, both in Japan and in US. IMHO the Japanese pussies are the tightest.
I may be subjective. Wanna hear from other mongers ...
For me it is Chinese that have the tightest pussy.
The Japanese girls I have had are pretty much all freebies so they are normally fully warmed up and aroused, that may account for some difference. Korean is maybe between the two.
However the Chinese girls I have had that are servicing Laowai (particularly in Oz) often are not tight at all, same as any well travelled pro.
Philo and Indo don't seem to be very tight but have a nice feel. More of a steady grip, they don't feel loose.
MPOV
BJK
With all due respect, but I really do believe you should discuss this in the "General Info" Thread, if you really want to discuss such a pubertal subject.
Yawn.
Levitian
Ace Gallant
04-27-07, 03:32
The problems with Asian looks is that it is near to impossible to tell a person's nationality just by looking at their face or features. .
In my experience the only most distinct feature of a Japanese female is their Vampire looking teeth (look a little like Dracula – hahaha!) This is a feature of true Japanese. However there are some Japanese who are non-pure blood Japanese that does not have these teeth and there are some North Eastern Chinese that feature these teeth as well.
IMHO: I had not felt any difference between a Japanese pussy and a Chinese pussy, there are tight ones and there are loose ones. I think different countries have different manufacturer who makes different models of the pussies :D
The freebie in my bed now, a Chinese from He Nan, has tight pussy, so tight that despite after her previous BF had fxxk her over 4 to 5 times and I had fxxk her 10 times, she still feels the pain (Not fake, I can tell) I still felt my whole dick was sort of been “clamped”. I think mainly because she is of small built.
Finally and hopefully this will ends the discussion of Japanese girls on the Shanghai thread is: SJ enjoyed his trip, fxxk some Japanese and thinks they are fantastic! It is money well spent.
Enjoy!
AG
BTW: All the Japanese I fxxk (over 100s) are fxxking noisy in bed! That includes the few that live in Shanghai.
Hello everyone,
Thank you for much knowledge on sex scenes and more. I decided to stop being a parasite and add a little to the monger database.
A little Yu Ping experience of my own. I'm in Shanghai for the first time (I was in China many times, but always in Shenzhen - Hong Kong area) and decided to try Yu Ping as a highly recommended spot. When there, I went through the regular washing ritual before getting to the foot massage/waiting room. I prepared a list of girls I would want to try based on recommendations and requested # 830 once I came in to change.
Have to tell you that it felt not too comfortable to have 3 male attendants watch me taking a shower. They are taking this body rubbing thing way too seriously.
Also, as a side note, the level of facilities is very mediocre. As Jim Carey said in "Liar, Liar": "I've had better".
Anyhow, once I entered the waiting area I was greeted by a guy, who introduced himself as a manager George. I do not speak Mandarin and he did speak English. George informed me that the room is not ready yet, although the girl 860 I ordered is, but I will have to wait a little and what would be a better use of this time if not to get a foot massage. "Sure" I said, as my feet did need some rubbing. "But I asked the girl 830, not 860". "OK, OK", I was told, "she will be ready soon". Another girl came and began to give me a so-so foot massage. Mind you, she did take it literally - if in SZ legit massage places the foot massage included legs up to knees, here nothing was done to legs at all. I was however offered a massage of my legs up to my knees for additional 188 RMB. Considering I was getting foot massage AND a high quality full body massage for 3 hours in SZ for around 200 this seemed a little too optimistic, so I declined. Then the offer got upgraded to include my dick, but since I was waiting for the great 830 I declined as well.
Once massage was over George told me that the room is ready. I began to move to the back when a girl almost jumped on me from the right side immediately hugging me, etc. Once we got to the room of course her number was 860. So predictable. Mind you, she did wear the number on the left, so when she pushed her left side against me (remember, she came from the right, what a coincidence) there was no way for me to see it and since I had never seen 830 before I could not know better. Of course, with my Mandarin how to complaint? And to who, to George who just set me up?
The girl is tall, with good size fake boobs. She did get wet, but it did not change much in a very mediocre service. She was too lazy to go for ice and nobody delivered, so "fire and ice" turned into "fire and... more fire". She assumed that the ropes are there only as an element of already fantastic decor. No tongue bath either. Chui with Hao Bao were OK, but she did create some vacuum with how mouth, so my dickhead got bruised afterwords. Did not hurt, but if I had a honey at home it might have created some problems. She finished me off with BBBJ in about 20 minutes and I was hoping for part 2, but that is where our plans did not coincide, I guess. She offered to go, I said there is more time, she then shrugged her shoulders as if OK, but there is nothing to do. I asked for massage, but was told her awesome fingernails do not allow me to taste such a luxury. So I left.
On the way back I sat in that steaming hot pool and that really relaxed me. At checkout I saw my old pal George. "WTF", I said."Why did you give me that 860 ***** instead of my life long love 830?" "Sorry, sorry", said George. "Next time..." I really did not care what he was saying even if he promised to personally service me next time, all I wondered about was if he will be nice enough to offer a discount. He was not. I paid 750 RMB and got into taxi.
To conclude: I got an OK BBBJ for over $100. Oh, and I showered using their soap. For over $100. Was it a good deal? The question, of course, is rethorical. I am not pissed at the girl - a ***** is a ***** after all and she will be as lazy as her fear of management and a client will allow her. The management - that what really disappointed me. I do not expect to be screwed in a place I go to screw others to. If an honest mistake is made I do expect to be compensated for it somehow. At least give me a freaking coupon "Buy one, get one free" for the next time or whatever. But again, we deal with *****s and pimps here, what can we expect?
As a warning - do not take 860. Do not waste your money.
BTW, I understand they got the ropes off the ceiling and put them onto beds now. How hard was it to paint the freaking ceilings? WTF?
Good luck everyone!
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Crazy Wolf
04-27-07, 09:29
You are right, there are a lot of these freelancers from Collage trying to make some extra bucks during the school Holidays.
BTW: You been away for a while... welcome back and have a happy holidays!
Enjoy!
AGHi,
I'm interessted to find some of those freelancers addresses too. Are there any internet links or how do you find those?
Ps: ok, I know, I'm a chep freebe but maybe someone take pity on me and pn me some information, thanks
Ace Gallant
04-27-07, 11:23
Following the report by Ding Ding that Happy Town is dead; Member "Woooooo" and I decided to make a trip last night to make a survey of this place.
At 2225hrs, we ended our cab ride at the original Apartment BBS with 50RMB reading on the meter! Christ! walk up to the location only to find that it is locked and through the glass door you can see that the interior had been torn down. So they had moved!
With a little disappointment we decided to check out the lower part of Happy Town, took another cab for a 2 mins ride (yah yah yah....we were lazy...! but Hey! its at least 3 blocks away on foot!), arrived at the lower Happy town. "The Factory" is still open but we were surprise to find that a number of BBSs were converted to small restaurants! I wanted to go in and ask some of them on whether they serves clams between legs as one of the items but was stopped b member "Wooooo" :D. Walking down the row, there was just one miserable BBS with 4 ugly looking girls inside! God! Where the pussies at? We headed back to the Factory BBSs on entering, we saw about 6 young looking girls averaging 4 /10 – 6/10… definitely not our type. Asked the lady owner over the counter on where the Fxxk had the boss move the Apartment BBS to? (They belong to the same boss). She told us that it just behind the same row of shops, but there were no girls there at the moment, they had gone home for the Holidays and will be back before the holidays. If we like the girls in the shop, we can take the girl from her and they will bring us to the apartment to do them.
It was a disappointment as lower Happy town is no more Happy town. I might check out the Upper Happy Town this weekend.
Enjoy!
AG
BTW: In case you are wondering what this deal about Upper Happy Town and Lower Happy Town???
Upper Happy town are the BBSs on the North of the train station behind Carraffore. And Lower Happy town on the South side on Lou Xiu Lu.
Ace Gallant
04-27-07, 11:49
Just want to pass this through for opinions and see what feedbacks I will get from you guys.
Background:
I got a new freebie, whose currently is sleeping on my bed as I wrote this report. She is in her 21 works as a Non-Take out Chat bar girl in a bar in TRL. She used to work in Maoming Lu but quit because she was heart broken by her first BF who broke her in, did her for 4 to 5 times and ditched her. Their romance lasted for 1 month last year.
The Problem:
When I took her out last Saturday, she ended up in my bed, the first time I penerated her, she was screaming in pain. Although my dick is neither that big nor long, she was complaining that the pain was just unbearable. On my end, I felt that she has a very tight pussy. Every session was a great session.
Through the night we were fxxking for at least 3 to 4 times. but each time she would scream in pain. Her action in bed includes grabbing on tight to the bed sheets, Pillows and sometimes on my arms each time I did a full insertion.
After 10 sessions; over the last few nights with her I felt that I better check her out, so with her consent, I spread her pussy ad proceeded to inspect her vagina for any infection or problems. I found nothing unusual.
The Question:
What do you think is wrong or not wrong with her?
The Answer:
Coming soon: I have got the answer as I took her to the hospital and got a proper from a Gynecology
Enjoy!
AG
BTW: This is the same girl mentioned in my post last week.
Albert Punter
04-27-07, 12:58
That particular ad appeared on www.cityweekend.com.cn/shanghai .
Otherwise you can browse into following websites:
//shanghai.asiaxpat.com
www.shanghaiexpat.com
www.shanghai-ed.com
www.shanghaiist.com
www.smartshanghai.com
www.thisshanghai.com
www.banwan.com (in chinese)
Some are free, some demand a fee, but all are good for freebies web-hunting.
All the flaming has subsided. Phew.
Out of curiosity, where do you guys find those ads? Am curious and maybe want to try and see. Hehe.
Just want to pass this through for opinions and see what feedbacks I will get from you guys.
Background:
I got a new freebie, whose currently is sleeping on my bed as I wrote this report. She is in her 21 works as a Non-Take out Chat bar girl in a bar in TRL. She used to work in Maoming Lu but quit because she was heart broken by her first BF who broke her in, did her for 4 to 5 times and ditched her. Their romance lasted for 1 month last year.
The Problem:
When I took her out last Saturday, she ended up in my bed, the first time I penerated her, she was screaming in pain. Although my dick is neither that big nor long, she was complaining that the pain was just unbearable. On my end, I felt that she has a very tight pussy. Every session was a great session.
Through the night we were fxxking for at least 3 to 4 times. but each time she would scream in pain. Her action in bed includes grabbing on tight to the bed sheets, Pillows and sometimes on my arms each time I did a full insertion.
After 10 sessions; over the last few nights with her I felt that I better check her out, so with her consent, I spread her pussy ad proceeded to inspect her vagina for any infection or problems. I found nothing unusual.
The Question:
What do you think is wrong or not wrong with her?
The Answer:
Coming soon: I have got the answer as I took her to the hospital and got a proper from a Gynecology
Enjoy!
AG
BTW: This is the same girl mentioned in my post last week.
I believe your girl has got vaginismus in which the muscles surrounding the vagina go into involuntary spasms so that it makes it difficult for the penis to penetrate the vagina and to engage in sexual intercourse.
In my experience the only most distinct feature of a Japanese female is their Vampire looking teeth (look a little like Dracula – hahaha!) This is a feature of true Japanese. However there are some Japanese who are non-pure blood Japanese that does not have these teeth and there are some North Eastern Chinese that feature these teeth as well.
The distinctive appearance of the teeth in those Japanese women that you mention is probably the handing down of certain genes in a certain pool of the Japanese population which accounts for their teeth looking the way that it does. Those near eastern Chinese probably have these same genes.
Ding Ding,
I know the feeling of a run of bad experiences and I sympathize with you. It happens to me more often that I would like. Everybody is trying to rip you off because you are a foreigner, many don't even want to do you because you are too big, the service is below par, etc. It may help if you join the Shanghai gang and monger with some of the veterans. There is less chance that you will be quoted so high and might get better service since they do not want to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off their regular patrons.
Just my POV.
OAHThanks for feeling with me.
For me, the hunt is at least the same fun as the fun. It is like fishing. Sure, you can buy good fish, but to catch your own and enjoy is much more fun.
Once I have too many disappointments in a row, I would like to come back to your suggestion, but before I will enjoy hunting as well.
So now I am wondering, if I am alone with this idea. Is the hunt just something annoying to do or do you also enjoy it as a part of fun?
Crazy Jim Wood
04-28-07, 00:05
Answer: His sex change operation was not 100% successful.
Just want to pass this through for opinions and see what feedbacks I will get from you guys.
Background:
I got a new freebie, whose currently is sleeping on my bed as I wrote this report. She is in her 21 works as a Non-Take out Chat bar girl in a bar in TRL. She used to work in Maoming Lu but quit because she was heart broken by her first BF who broke her in, did her for 4 to 5 times and ditched her. Their romance lasted for 1 month last year.
The Problem:
When I took her out last Saturday, she ended up in my bed, the first time I penerated her, she was screaming in pain. Although my dick is neither that big nor long, she was complaining that the pain was just unbearable. On my end, I felt that she has a very tight pussy. Every session was a great session.
Through the night we were fxxking for at least 3 to 4 times. but each time she would scream in pain. Her action in bed includes grabbing on tight to the bed sheets, Pillows and sometimes on my arms each time I did a full insertion.
After 10 sessions; over the last few nights with her I felt that I better check her out, so with her consent, I spread her pussy ad proceeded to inspect her vagina for any infection or problems. I found nothing unusual.
The Question:
What do you think is wrong or not wrong with her?
The Answer:
Coming soon: I have got the answer as I took her to the hospital and got a proper from a Gynecology
Enjoy!
AG
BTW: This is the same girl mentioned in my post last week.
Ace Gallant
04-28-07, 03:44
Answer: His sex change operation was not 100% successful.
Hahahaha.... good one...but not in the right direction.
I believe your girl has got vaginismus in which the muscles surrounding the vagina go into involuntary spasms so that it makes it difficult for the penis to penetrate the vagina and to engage in sexual intercourse.
Going in the right direction not quite there yet.... keep going ....
Enjoy!
AG
No offense to AG, but when I read Crazy Jim Wood's response, I had a good laugh.
I nominate it for the most innovative/creative answer award. :)
Ace Gallant
04-28-07, 04:02
Thanks for feeling with me.
For me, the hunt is at least the same fun as the fun. It is like fishing. Sure, you can buy good fish, but to catch your own and enjoy is much more fun.
Once I have too many disappointments in a row, I would like to come back to your suggestion, but before I will enjoy hunting as well.
So now I am wondering, if I am alone with this idea. Is the hunt just something annoying to do or do you also enjoy it as a part of fun?
The Shanghai gang loves to hunt, we gather and meet for hunting every week or as often as 3 to 4 times a week.
I can and sometimes will go out hunting everynight. The fun part about hunting is you do not know what you are expecting. Sometimes a game come into slight, there might be many others aiming at her. So sometimes you win, sometimes you don't. As a frequent monger, I don't need to get laid everynight or fxxk everygirl that I am interested in. So sometimes, even I have a game that willingly wanders into your arms, I'll still let it go. Of course sometimes there will be disappointments and in such case; it when you want your regular freebies to come to play. Or there will always be those Saunas to cool off your woody.
There will be times when you are can't be bothered to hunt,
and just wants to get laid skipping the fun,
Hey! This is China, if you are willing to pay,
there'll be a girl willingly waiting for you to lay!
Enjoy!
AG
Ace Gallant
04-28-07, 04:05
The distinctive appearance of the teeth in those Japanese women that you mention is probably the handing down of certain genes in a certain pool of the Japanese population which accounts for their teeth looking the way that it does. Those near eastern Chinese probably have these same genes.
You are right about the genes.
Surveys shows:
95% of the Japanese have this genes.
10% of the Chinese living in bordering cities of North Korea and China have this.
5% of the Chinese in North Eastern China have it too.
Enjoy
AG
OldAsiaHand
04-28-07, 04:18
Ding Ding,
I am also a big fan of the hunt. Sometimes, I think I enjoy it even more than the deed itself. However, I waste way too much time going from one BBS to the next and back before I make a decision. Often, I lose the chance with the girl I wanted to do because another monger grabs her while I am hunting. Veteran mongers like AG always tell me to "strike while the iron is hot" so to speak. He just grabs one if he fancies her and does not worry about what is down the road. He says there is always another day to do the next one. It is wise advice but I rarely follow it.
Another wise bit of advice AG always professes is to get on good turns with the mamas. The mama will tell the girl to service you well if you have a good relationship with them
OAH
Thanks for feeling with me.
For me, the hunt is at least the same fun as the fun. It is like fishing. Sure, you can buy good fish, but to catch your own and enjoy is much more fun.
Once I have too many disappointments in a row, I would like to come back to your suggestion, but before I will enjoy hunting as well.
So now I am wondering, if I am alone with this idea. Is the hunt just something annoying to do or do you also enjoy it as a part of fun?
OldAsiaHand
04-28-07, 04:24
AG,
Please tell me that the BBBJ shop is still in business. I will be in Shanghai in a couple of weeks and definitely want to visit.
I am looking forward to hooking up with the gang to do some hunting. Happy Town is one of my favorite spots.
OAH
Ace Gallant
04-28-07, 04:37
AG,
Please tell me that the BBBJ shop is still in business. I will be in Shanghai in a couple of weeks and definitely want to visit.
I am looking forward to hooking up with the gang to do some hunting. Happy Town is one of my favorite spots.
OAH
Hey Buddy, not to worry,
we are checking out those bunnies
to make sure your trip is worth every penny!
:D
AG
AG,
She might have an over-patriotic pussy, which founds it unbearable that you have penetrated 100s of Japanese ones.
You never know ... ;-).
Levitian
Ace Gallant
04-28-07, 06:04
AG,
She might have an over-patriotic pussy, which founds it unbearable that you have penetrated 100s of Japanese ones.
You never know ... ;-).
Levitian
Good one, I'll add that to my jokes list.
Unfortunately she did not know of all my previous experience :) , so this is not the right answer.
Keep them cumming!!! ;)
Enjoy!
AG
Bad Boy Billy
04-28-07, 06:47
AG,
Please tell me that the BBBJ shop is still in business. I will be in Shanghai in a couple of weeks and definitely want to visit.
I am looking forward to hooking up with the gang to do some hunting. Happy Town is one of my favorite spots.
OAH
Yes please.
I have never been to the famous BBBJ shop but OAH promised to arrange one of his mates to take me there next week - I too hope it is still open.
OAH I will send you an SMS when I arrive Shanghai on May 3.
Any of you guys reading this Billy will be in Manhattan and Judys on Tongren Lu May 3 to 7 - if you wanna down a beer or 2 and chase some pussy drop me a pm.
Will also get to Attica, Park 97, Guandi and the Xin Tian Di bars over the 4 nights - I do not 'baby sit' but it can be better to chase together rather than alone.
Speaking of Xin Tian Di - I picked up a freebie there over CNY - 27yo school teacher who could not go home on holidays - she was feeling all lonely and Billy being the 'gentleman' that he is suggested she definitely should not sleep 'alone' but rather enjoy the 'campanionship' I would provide for her that night!
Ace Gallant
04-28-07, 06:55
Yes please.
I have never been to the famous BBBJ shop but OAH promised to arrange one of his mates to take me there next week - I too hope it is still open.
Forgot to mention:
The BBBJ shop in Happy Town is still open, but that night when we were there, there was only one girl available.
Alternative; The Famous Pub is open throughout the Holidays. I had just called last night to verify.
Enjoy!
AG
Answer: His sex change operation was not 100% successful.
I agree with Crazy Jim.
Sorry AG, your she is a he! :D Lol
Ace Gallant
04-28-07, 08:12
I agree with Crazy Jim.
Sorry AG, your she is a he! :D Lol
Ohhhh.... come on Santa.... I would expect a better answer from you man!!!
Remember I am your Gynecologiest!
:D
Enjoy!
AG
Sorry AG. Crazy Jim is right, "she" is a pretty boy! :D
I stopped into the Ji Yaun for a session and can say, that while the girl was ok - the place as a whole has really gone down hill. Personally, I won't recommend this to any of my friends on or off-board.
1) There was no 'pre service' which generally includes a change to jammies, shower, etc.
2) The service rooms are really going downhill. 2x now I've had ones that had no hot/cold water control, dirty and generally I wouldn't bathe my dog there, let alone me.
3) Service by the girls is not so consistent and doesn't always follow good routine. for example, the last time, I had to lead the girl through most of the steps.
4) Ending service again has no or very little 'post service' premiums. Many saunas I regularly go to will have your clothes pressed, shoes shined and a nice assortment of after-sauna care available.
Considering the price and the overall quality and lackluster performance - this place will just sit on my 'dnr' list. Although, I probably will keep it in mind when anyone who wants to experience a Sauna in China needs a place to go - so my fav places don't get run down and lose their service quality.
I've really noticed that posting has a detrimental affect on the service quality due to the rapid/high influx of patrons. Not sure why. These places serve Chinese patrons at high quality all the time - but the moment they deal with foreign patrons, the service deteriorates rapidly.
Sadly, I believe this is one of the last years that we'll be able to enjoy the hedonistic freedoms in China. As the Olympics and other global events bring in more money, accountability and conservative monitoring, these 'gray area' businesses will likely be doomed.
Happily Bathing,
S.
Ace Gallant
04-28-07, 10:23
Ok, this report is a did backdated but this was the Soapy that we (GM & I) brought Newbie; GermanSurvivor to last week.
Yuan Sh Kaiso 原宿会所
No. 209 Urumuqi Lu
5th Floor
Jin An District
62480968
Here the link to my previous report:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=587131&postcount=8415
The Manager told us that 70% of the customer are Japanese.
Athough 原宿会所 should be Harajuku Kai Sio (In Japanese) I don't know why it was translated to Yuan Sh Kaisio??
Enjoy!
AG
I've really noticed that posting has a detrimental affect on the service quality due to the rapid/high influx of patrons. Not sure why. These places serve Chinese patrons at high quality all the time - but the moment they deal with foreign patrons, the service deteriorates rapidly.
Sadly, I believe this is one of the last years that we'll be able to enjoy the hedonistic freedoms in China. As the Olympics and other global events bring in more money, accountability and conservative monitoring, these 'gray area' businesses will likely be doomed.
S.
That's a real shame if it's going down hill as from what I've heard it is / was great, with good quality girls (numbers have been quoted previously by others).
However, I have to say I do not share the view that posting makes a place go down hill but there must be other reasons. This board is mainly expats, places like Ji Yuan are mainly locals, but even if more expats started going it doesn't really explain how a place becomes less well managed.
And I also believe there's still a lot more mileage in mongering in China despite the Olympics, IMHO.
I will be going on a business trip to Shanghai soon. I am trying to gather some contacts of female dominants who are into BDSM. I'll very much appreciate it if any of you can PM me with the contacts.
Albert Punter
04-28-07, 14:47
Be careful, rule of forum is following:
No Discussion about Homosexuals, Transvestites, Transsexuals or She-Males: Please do not post any messages anywhere on this site that refers to Homosexuals, Transvestites, Transsexuals or She-Males. This website is about sex between men who were always men and women who were always women. Any person violating this policy will banned immediately.
LOL
Sorry AG. Crazy Jim is right, "she" is a pretty boy! :D
Ace Gallant
04-28-07, 14:50
Be careful, rule of forum is following:
No Discussion about Homosexuals, Transvestites, Transsexuals or She-Males: Please do not post any messages anywhere on this site that refers to Homosexuals, Transvestites, Transsexuals or She-Males. This website is about sex between men who were always men and women who were always women. Any person violating this policy will banned immediately.
LOL
Haha hahaaaaaa..... the best one so far!!!!
Ok, I tell you guys the answer tomorrow ....!
Its Sat night man!!! what the fxxk are we doing on the board???
ENjoy!
AG
AG,
I shall have to throw in the whole spanner and say vulvar vestibulitis and or problems to do with with the cervix, uterus or ovary.
Perhaps you have a big banana which penetrated deep and touched the cervix thereby causing pain to the lady.
Looking forward to your answer. The waiting is killing me. haha.
I read a report in our local paper here in which it is estimated that there are over 20,000 massage parlors, bath houses, hair salons, ktv and bars which offer one kind or another of sexual services in Shanghai. Anyone has any idea of the accuracy of this statistics?
I noticed in porn films the asian actresses almost always express pain when penetrated. Not as frequent in the case with western actresses except for anal.
Ace Gallant
04-28-07, 20:35
AG,
I shall have to throw in the whole spanner and say vulvar vestibulitis and or problems to do with with the cervix, uterus or ovary.
Perhaps you have a big banana which penetrated deep and touched the cervix thereby causing pain to the lady.
Looking forward to your answer. The waiting is killing me. haha.
No Big banana, The answer is :
The Gynecologist said that her womb is tilted forward, and therefore the vagina is sort of facing at an angle almost downwards towards her feet. The Labium minora (Vagina opening) is almost is parallel to the legs. Therefore when I penetrated her, I am basically forcing my dick in at a 45 degrees angle into the vagina and hitting the back of her vagina walls. Therefore every time I insert fully and with strength, it will cause extreme pain to her.
The Gynecologist said that such problem occurs for one in a hundred-thousand female born especially if the pregnant mother is taking certain drugs during her pregnancy.
She also advised me to be gentle with her and not have full rapid and hard thrust or it may injure her vagina walls.
Enjoy!
AG
I've really noticed that posting has a detrimental affect on the service quality due to the rapid/high influx of patrons. Not sure why. These places serve Chinese patrons at high quality all the time - but the moment they deal with foreign patrons, the service deteriorates rapidly.
Sadly, I believe this is one of the last years that we'll be able to enjoy the hedonistic freedoms in China. As the Olympics and other global events bring in more money, accountability and conservative monitoring, these 'gray area' businesses will likely be doomed.
S.
That's a real shame if it's going down hill as from what I've heard it is / was great, with good quality girls (numbers have been quoted previously by others).
However, I have to say I do not share the view that posting makes a place go down hill but there must be other reasons. This board is mainly expats, places like Ji Yuan are mainly locals, but even if more expats started going it doesn't really explain how a place becomes less well managed.
And I also believe there's still a lot more mileage in mongering in China despite the Olympics, IMHO.
It's difficult to know for sure what's really going on, but Soujourn's observations and sentiments have been echoed or confirmed by other mongers. For example:
There is evidence that our posts can have a dramatic increase in the number of foreigners visiting a certain venue (post from JK666 on ZH thread):
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=591686&postcount=1206
There are also reasons why an increase in foreign patronage might have an adverse effect on the more "underground" venues (perhaps also on the not-so-underground venues) (post from AG on SH thread):
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=590525&postcount=8525
How that adverse effect plays out is anyone's guess. Considering the "open secret" problem mentioned in AG's post, one could imagine that the service might go downhill if the owner decides to ramp down service at one location, while ramping up service at a new one.
It also appears that some venues that were merely discreet are now going underground, and that this may be Olympics-related (post by me in DG thread, about a sauna in BJ):
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=588480&postcount=2445
One more data point: At a different sauna in BJ (more low-end), I was told by the girl that, on my prior visit, some Chinese guys walked out after seeing me, grumbling something about foreigners having AIDS. Regardless of the validity of their complaint, it could have some effect on the management.
Now, add to the above all the observations about recent crackdowns being longer or more severe than previously observed (e.g., SW scenes in both ZH and even Macau, demise of certain BBS zones in SZ, etc.), and we have a picture of a country on a tightening trend, especially in recent weeks and months. Going forward, the lead-up to the Olympics will bring in more foreigners, and therefore more foreign patrons to mongering venues (with the above-mentioned effects), not to mention more crackdowns, to give China a clean image. So, I'd be inclined to expect the trend to continue, and I might speculate, as other mongers have, that, for a variety of reasons, our hobby may be more difficult at least through the Olympics, and possibly beyond (post by Santa in BJ thread, although his comment is more price-related):
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=591342&postcount=5332
Not that all of this "proves" anything. The point is that we can't predict how bad or good things will be, but recent experiences and perceptions of numerous mongers indicate that we need to keep an eye on how this situation develops, and perhaps consider defensive measures to keep us going, in case it turns out to be worse than we expect. For example, I would suggest collecting contact info of WGs, especially those who are proven resources for referrals to other girls, and of mamas, especially the senior ones, or perhaps owners, depending on how good a relationship you have with a certain provider/venue.
I would welcome any other thoughts on this, and ideas on how to deal with the situation.
[QUOTE=Night Cat] For example, I would suggest collecting contact info of WGs, especially those who are proven resources for referrals to other girls, and of mamas, especially the senior ones, or perhaps owners, depending on how good a relationship you have with a certain provider/venue.
[QUOTE]
I think you are right. The Olympics will cause some inflation. Keep a detailed and private collection of names and numbers.
We also know far fewer girls are being born than boys. In the future this will cause a shortage of brides, and of girls for rent. I smaller supply will cause inflation.
If pussy was traded as a commodity on the Shanghai Stock Market, I think it would be a very good longterm investment.
OldAsiaHand
04-29-07, 03:14
There are also reasons why an increase in foreign patronage might have an adverse effect on the more "underground" venues (perhaps also on the not-so-underground venues) (post from AG on SH thread):
One more data point: At a different sauna in BJ (more low-end), I was told by the girl that, on my prior visit, some Chinese guys walked out after seeing me, grumbling something about foreigners having AIDS. Regardless of the validity of their complaint, it could have some effect on the management.
I would welcome any other thoughts on this, and ideas on how to deal with the situation.
Night Cat:
The purpose of this board is to share intelligence on where to monger. However, I also agree the that the increase in foreign patronage as a result has an affect on the industry.
On the one hand, we are foolish to believe that LE is using the board to source out out the dens of ill repute. They certainly know where all the action is.
On the other hand, the locals and other ethnic Chinese and even other Asians for that matter, blend in so to speak in the local venues. We foreigners stick out like a sore thumb. This is detrimental for a couple of reasons. First, the action becomes more obvious in the face of local residents who complain about it to the local authorities. Second, LE are more afraid about dealing with a situation of foreigners getting themselves into trouble than they are about locals and ethnic Chinese. Many of the very local areas that I used to monger with Cronin in Guangzhou have since been shut since we posted about them.
Thinking that I do not understand them, I too have heard locals in BBS taking about how they do not want to do girls that do foreigners. Many will just walk out or pass by a shop if I am inside. A few BBS even refuse to accept foreigners altogether because of this and many of the girls will not do us. Having said that, it is getting better. I can remember going to KTV about 15 years ago where they were lucky to find 1-2 fat/ugly girls in the whole club that would do a foreigner and would quote a ridiculous price for them on top of it.
Your idea about collecting numbers is good, however, I like to do different girls nearly every time and love to shop for them.
Just my POV.
OAH
My first post.
First off, thank you gentlemen for the valuable information and experiences that you have so tediously posted. I felt obliged to make my contribution.
Landed in Shanghai for the first time in my life two days ago. Was browsing for information and I ran into this forum so I did some reading.
Ran across the post about Karen, went back to trace her personal ad. Etc. Etc. To cut a long story short, she just left my hotel room not five minutes ago and I can surely say she left me craving more.
A total GFE. Very pleasant attitude, fun to talk to, caring, kind and totally into it, mind body and soul. I was the one who had to stop everything to ask her when / how much she needed me to pay because she was just not getting around to that and I like to have the formalities out of the way before hand. She told me to slip whatever I felt like into her purse when she went to shower.
The most enthusiastic BJ I've ever had and even though I wanted to, she didn't let me pull out. Swallowed till she gagged.
Bottom line, can't wait to be back in Shanghai and hook up with her again.
Looks: 7/10 (which by my standards is a medium high rating) Attitude: 9/10 simply because there can never be a perfect score for anything.
Just called her again. She will be busy for studies this coming May holidays since her exam is from May 7 10 10th. She will be free week after that but only on days she does not have her OJT.
Probably a girl ttrying to earn some pocket money...
I tried another girl couple of months ago and her add was like this:
hi,
i'm a beautiful chinese girl,student,good education,sexy,23 years old,165cm,50kg,and speak english and chinese.
i live in shanghai and i offre the service of companion,guide,traslation and so on.
the price is 500 yuan/day.this is my pic and my telephone number is:
thank you
I bargained and this was what I paid her:
tell me the time and the place,we can meet.
for 2 or 3 hours as many sex as you want ,it's 800 yuans.
you can send me a sms or call me
Ace Gallant
04-29-07, 15:23
..and then the doctor said, "Oh my God, wait.. she's a lady boy and you've been hitting left over dick root".
You seems to be an expert in these type of "ladies" and have lots of interest in them. Sorry... please bring your interest elsewhere and ISG does not permits the discussion of them.
AG
We also know far fewer girls are being born than boys. In the future this will cause a shortage of brides, and of girls for rent. I smaller supply will cause inflation.
That's true but it's going to take a LONG time before that really starts to affect the number of girls available and is more likely to be reduced as China becomes more developed and incomes rise, removing the need for some girls to resort to this line of work.
I agree this is the trend, but I honestly feel it's going to take years to happen.
i am so glad i found this forum. it has made mongering a much more enjoyable and safe experience for me. i thought i would share my first experience in china, before finding this forum. it was a lot of fun, but could have gone very bad, very quickly.
a little over a year ago around feb of 2006 it was my first trip to china. i stayed at the hilton. i knew there had to be some action locally but had no clue where to go. i met a co-worker for dinner and drinks over at trl – the blue frog. on the way over, some of the bars caught my eye, and i had an idea where i would end up. well, i am not sure if my co-worker is a monger or not, so after dinner and a few drinks we parted ways. i started the walk back to the hilton, just long enough to make sure he had caught his cab and left to his house. then i turned around and started walking down the bars.
i was planning on going into manhattan when a girl approached and asked if i was looking for a date. she wasn’t particularly attractive, so i said no thanks and kept walking.
i went about 10 meters and was approached by a lovely little thing in a white full-length jacket. (remember it was feb – cold as hell). i couldn’t tell much about her body other than she was pretty tall (165cm) and slender. but she had a beautiful face. i knew i wanted this one.
she asked me if i wanted a date, and i said sure, how much? before i could answer, the ugly one from 10m back came up and grabbed my other arm and said you take both of us, we go together. i looked at the ugly one and told her that i wasn’t interested in her.
then the cute one said no, you take us both. i only go with my friend. now – at this point in time, i should have gotten the hell outta there. but the cute one really had me intrigued – she was unbelievably cute.
we bargained for like 10 minutes. and the ugly one kept trying to make it a 1-1 with her or a threesome. she got down as low as 200 for just her or 500 for the two. the cute one would not go without the ugly one. i tried offering 800 for just the cute one even and she wouldn’t part from her friend – said she was new to the biz and was nervous.
in the end i said ok. you can both come – i’m only gonna fxxk one of you though. and i’m not gonna pay more than 300. now let’s go back to my hotel. they agreed.
i started walking back to the hilton, and they said where is your hotel? i told them the name of the hotel figuring that they would be good to go. then they freaked and said they could not go there. they would have to bribe the doorman to get out in the morning. i would have to go with them to their room.
i asked how far to their room and they said 2 minutes walk. so i figured what the heck, i’ve been to slums in brazil and mexico and have survived – how bad can china be? (note – a second time i should have bailed) then they said we go by cab, much faster. remember, it’s feb. and i’m freezing my ass off so i agreed.
we get in the taxi, and drove for like 10 minutes. i said hey what happened to a 2 minute walk? all they kept saying was very close, very close. we ended up pulling up to what looked to be some kind of short time hotel like i’ve seen in mexico. you get a key as you walk in from a guy behind a grate, and he gives you sheets. i told the driver to wait, and i would pay him when i came out – he had to take me back to my hotel.
we get to the room, and i’m a little uncomfortable. the room was pretty bad – a long room with some kind of shower head on the faucet in the bathroom. it opened up to three single beds side by side and one cooler/heater unit hanging over the end bed. the room was freezing, so i turn on the heater – took the damn thing like an hour to start throwing warm air.
finally, i get to see my prize. the reason i am going through all this bs. my little cutie in the white coat. once she got the coat off, i was not disappointed. she had a small ass but washboard abs and a nice "c" rack. i was thinking this is gonna be alright.
then the ugly one started taking her clothes off too. she had a really nice body, but curly hair and just not my type. i’m like don’t even bother. you can just sit there and watch for all i care. just don’t get in my way.
the cutie kept saying, no, you play with my friend too. i reluctantly told her to take her clothes off. but i’m not fxxking you! i said.
well, i take the cutie over to the far bed – with the shitty heater over it. and start to get busy. the ugly one follows and is trying to do anything to get involved. she’s playing with my ass, trying to ar me. trying to bbbj etc. i am totally turned off by her and really want to concentrate on the cutie. so i set the ugly one down at the end of the bed and told her to give me a foot massage while cutie does bbbj. after about 10 minutes of a pretty decent bbbj, i cim.
cutie goes to the bathroom to clean up. ugly crawls up the bed and starts bbbj. actually she had a pretty good technique and i never lost my hard-on. so i call cutie back over. i put a rubber on and cutie climbs on board – wow was she ever tight! quite possibly the tightest i have ever had. i knew i had to change something or i was gonna pop again real soon.
so we switch positions a few times. after a while i couldn’t hold out anymore and pop. cutie was worn out.
then in came ugly again, slipped the rubber off, and cleaned me up. in the meantime cutie went to the restroom and cleaned up. ugly started bbbj right away, and i was ready to go again. note – she really did give good head!
finally cutie came out of the bathroom and was like, i need a rest – you do my friend. well, much as i didn’t want to fxxk ugly, she really had me ready to go and i knew a bj wasn’t going to finish me off anytime soon. so i slipped a rubber on and did her doggy. didn't have to look at her that way. she was really into it. then she asked me to af. well, i have always wanted to try that – so i figured what the hell.
as soon as i slipped it in the back door, ugly started to really go off. she came at least 3 times right away. i was pretty turned on no matter how ugly she was. plus, she was still facing away from me so i didn’t have to look at her face anyway. pretty soon i was ready to come.
just then cutie slides up underneath me and starts licking my balls. well, let me tell you if i wasn’t ready to shoot my load before i was now. so i pull out of ugly’s axx rip the rubber off and cutie grabs me and takes the whole load in her mouth. so i am thinking wow – should have played with ugly a little earlier.
well, i still wasn’t very comfortable in this "hotel" so i clean up and get dressed. then i go to pay the girls. i look in my wallet and there was 400 rmb missing. i started the night with 1200 and had not used any cash at trl. i only have 800 in my wallet. so i figure when cutie was cleaning up, she was also cleaning me out.
i asked them where the rest of my money is and they are like – what? we are no thief, we don’t take your money. you can search us. they suggested i search them too quick – i know they rolled me.
well, i knew i was not in a good position. in the middle of shanghai slums, in a no-tel-motel with very limited mandarin and two sw’s. so i checked my wallet to make sure no plastic or id was missing – everything intact, phew. now what to do?
the girls were still waiting for their money and wanted me to pay for the room too. i said the room is your problem. i threw 200rmb on the bed. then i shot out of there like speedy gonzalez on crack. luckily my cab was still out front. i hopped in and told him to get me to the hilton.
15 minutes later i was at the front door of the hilton.
every time i think about that night, i realize how lucky i was. wow what a bad situation i could have gotten into. now that i rtff whenever possible i know where to go for the best and safest times. no more sw’s for me – i have sworn off of that shit.
editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
It's 4 years since I was in Shanghai. Last time, I had a friend show me around but will be back there next week alone. I just found this forum last week and hope somebody can advise me where to find some action. Maybe in 2 weeks time I can give my first report.
I will be staying about 10 mins from the Bund area. Where can I find the best pick up bars or if anybody has any contacts I'd appreciate it. Feel free to PM me if you can help in any way.
Thanks in advance.
Matsu you took a risk but sounds like it paid off so yes, it's dangerous sometimes we can miss out on stuff by being overly cautious or suspicious. And a hotel is safer than going to some out of the way dive down a dark alley which is more likely to be a trap.
I'll be honest I would have been too suspicious when they insisted on two girls as normally even if they wanted to push two, they would settle for just one if you threatened to walk away.
And with 2 girls you always need to be able to keep an eye on your wallet at all times.
For senior contributing members I have a Shanghai lady for you. I have posted her a few times with pics, March 17th #1332, March 24th #1350 and April 11th #1375.
She has successfully pissed me off and I will not see her again because I found out she snooped through some personal things in my apartment.
She is a good f**k and reasonable BJ but not a chance for CIM. Very sensitive tits.
Senior contributing members are welcome to PM me for her AFF handle. I will not give phone number as much as I would like to for revenge purposes.
ES
Neuromancer
04-30-07, 15:03
For senior contributing members I have a Shanghai lady for you. I have posted her a few times with pics, March 17th #1332, March 24th #1350 and April 11th #1375.
She has successfully pissed me off and I will not see her again because I found out she snooped through some personal things in my apartment.
She is a good f**k and reasonable BJ but not a chance for CIM. Very sensitive tits.
Senior contributing members are welcome to PM me for her AFF handle. I will not give phone number as much as I would like to for revenge purposes.
ESJeezuz dude. Way to up-sell a girl to the rest of the board. After trashing on her, why would anyone want her contact info? Why not just post her digits here for revenge purposes (as it seems like that is what your true intent is)?
Jd Shanghai
05-01-07, 05:11
Hey guys,
I'm a first time poster, but spent a fair bit of time in the last couple of days reading all these posts, and I'm really glad to see all this information out there!
I admit I have quite a thing for tall girls and lingerie/stockings. Any recommendations of places in Shanghai where to go? call?
Ace Gallant
05-01-07, 15:29
That's true but it's going to take a LONG time before that really starts to affect the number of girls available and is more likely to be reduced as China becomes more developed and incomes rise, removing the need for some girls to resort to this line of work.
I agree this is the trend, but I honestly feel it's going to take years to happen.
You need to allow at least 16 - 18 years for the female to grow up into legal age.
Enjoy!
AG
Traveler1234
05-01-07, 15:35
You need to allow at least 16 - 18 years for the female to grow up into legal age.
Enjoy!
AG
Everyone on ISG will be long gone before there is a shortage in China or anywhere....I mean, aren't we talking about civilization's longest running gig?
:)
Ace Gallant
05-01-07, 15:37
We get in the taxi, and drove for like 10 minutes. I said hey what happened to a 2 minute walk? All they kept saying was very close, very close. We ended up pulling up to what looked to be some kind of short time hotel like I’ve seen in Mexico. You get a key as you walk in from a guy behind a grate, and he gives you sheets. I told the driver to wait, and I would pay him when I came out – he had to take me back to my hotel.
It is not wise to follow the girls to their place. It was discussed previously before in this board.
The girls will always says that their place is very near. You never know what you are expecting and who knows, you might be walking into an ambush. You are lucky you got away this time, but not everyday are Sunday.
Enjoy and be Safe.
AG
Ace Gallant
05-01-07, 15:39
Everyone on ISG will be long gone before there is a shortage in China or anywhere....I mean, aren't we talking about civilization's longest running gig?
:)
I know of an old man, 81 and he is still mongering around. So I am not sure will I be around in 20 years time but I am very sure there will be some members from ISG, who will still be around. :D
Enjoy!
AG
Traveler1234
05-01-07, 15:41
I know of an old man, 81 and he is still mongering around. So I am not sure will I be around in 20 years time but I am very sure there will be some members from ISG, who will still be around. :D
Enjoy!
AG
You're 61? I bow to you....LOL
Ace Gallant
05-01-07, 15:45
You're 61? I bow to you....LOL
The South China gang already did couple of months back. Perhaps we'll hook up in Taipei or Shanghai and you can do that,,,,,:D
AG
I know of an old man, 81 and he is still mongering around. So I am not sure will I be around in 20 years time but I am very sure there will be some members from ISG, who will still be around. :D
Enjoy!
AG
I know of an old Englishman, born in 1917, who still goes to the MP for a bit of hanky pank now and then. Although his small brother is no longer able to function, he still goes for his regular cuppa with the ML for a bit of fun at the MP.
Regarding the sex ratio in China - this is a long standing problem that is only getting worse:
"From a relatively normal ratio of 108.5 boys to 100 girls in the early 80s, the male surplus progressively rose to 111 in 1990, 116 in 2000, and is now is close to 120 boys for each 100 girls at the present time, according to a Chinese think-tank report." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5953508
So we are already seeing the effects of this, although in practice, it would seem that the money to be made in this particular industry will overcome the apparent shortages of eligible workers in the general population. Of more concern in the short term would be crackdowns on mongering activity as China wishes to present a more "civilized" face to the world for the Olympics.
Well, I still wasn’t very comfortable in this "hotel" so I clean up and get dressed. Then I go to pay the girls. I look in my wallet and there was 400 RMB missing. I started the night with 1200 and had not used any cash at TRL. I only have 800 in my wallet. So I figure when Cutie was cleaning up, she was also cleaning me out.Matsu, you were lucky they left you some money and didnt totally clean you out. Perhaps it may be better that you leave the bulk of your cash in your hotel safe and only take enough for you to pay the girls next time you go on an outing. Take only what you need and try to keep an eye on your wallet at all times. An expensive lesson not to be repeated.
It is not wise to follow the girls to their place. It was discussed previously before in this board.
The girls will always says that their place is very near. You never know what you are expecting and who knows, you might be walking into an ambush. You are lucky you got away this time, but not everyday are Sunday.
Enjoy and be Safe.
AGAG,
Exactly my point. While I got lucky and walked (actually ran) away, I can luckily look back and laugh at what a dipsh*t I was. I deserve to be admonished.
As I mentioned at the top of the post - this was before I found the forum. Now I read the forum like the bible before I go anywhere. With the guidance of you and a lot of other senior members, I stick to the road well traveled.
I would much rather spend the evening at a well recommended establishment and not worry about what/who is around the next corner.
Thanks to all the contributors to the forum!
Jd Shanghai
05-02-07, 02:52
ok, I feel like I owe this forum a report (or two!) for all the useful tips I've read. (Thanks to all!)
I'm just going to cut and paste an email I got from an escort girl here, her name is Angela. I haven't tried her, too expensive for my wallet, but I know many guy keep on asking about escort services, so here goes:
Hi,
Firstly thanks for your interest in my service. My name is Angela. I provide an upscale and discreet escort service to decent gentlemen.
I am an English-spoken Chinese girl who is based in Shanghai, China. I¡¯m in my early 20¡¯s. I'm 165cm (5'5'') in height and weight 50kg (110lbs). My measurements are 35B-24-36. I am a sweet natural beauty with alluring eyes, black long hair, pretty face, silky smoothy skin and well proportioned built with soft curves. With a perfect balance of class, confidence and intelligence, I have a great sense of humor and I am extremely outgoing, passionate, affectionate and always fun to be around.
To see my photo gallery, pls visit: Http://******************/dateangela
I offer a relaxing soothing erotically pleasing experience for refined gentleman with a pleasant demenor. I believe that a successful encounter is derived from mutual respect and understanding. I like a man with a slow hand and a soft easy touch. My services are offered in a clean, safe manner.
The rate for my companionship is:
1 hr RMB2500
2 hrs RMB3300
3 hrs RMB4200
4 hrs RMB5000
5 hrs RMB5800
6-8hrs RMB6600
9-12hrs RMB8300
1day RMB13000
For extension hour: 1hr RMB800, 0.5h RMB400
If this sounds like the type of arrangement that compliments your lifestyle, please do not hesitate to drop me a line.
Cheers!
AngelaI won't post her email address in here. Though it's not too hard to figure out what it is from the picture link she sent. If you do want her email and just can't figure it out, PM me and I'll pass it on.
Jd Shanghai
05-02-07, 03:15
I haven't seen a lot of reporting on Fahuazhen road on here, actually none to my recollection. Maybe it's because it's my area, but anyhow. Starting on the corner of Fahuazhen road and Fanyu road, where the Crown Plaza hotel is, starts a street of pink BBS, saunas and girl bars. A little heaven for a wonderer.
Now, the quality isn't that great in general, and the further away from the hotel you get the cheaper the prices get, and the doggier the places get. After a few corners a HJ is 100RMB with a fat girl. BUT, sitting right in front of the hotel is a Japanese massage/sauna place. It's simply awesome!
It's the typical Sauna conveyor belt process I've read here a great number of times. You get in, and right away the woman at the counter announces, doesn't ask, "massage 695RMB" at which point you say "yes! "
You're led to locker rooms, strip naked and put your stuff int he locker. Get towels and head for the showers. You can take a nice warm shower and get a body scrub (extra 30RMB). That was amazing by the way, though I did freak out a bit at how close the guy came to scrubbing off my own privates!
You're then let to a small room with comfortable lazyboys, some watermelon, a cold drink and, after a few minutes, a nice line-up of girls (mostly 7s). I took my pick, as I mentioned before, I like them tall. And 168cm was the best I could do here. Disappointing, but she was cute with a nice rack. It was my first time in such a massage place and in my nervousness I totally forgot to get her number at the end.
She was extremely nice with soft skin. Right as I sat on the bed side she got ice cubes in her mouth and started a BBBJ. Within minutes, being so excited, I came and she took it in her mouth (though she started spitting the rest back into the trash bin in the corner. I'm not crazy about that, I like them to swallow).
She laid me down and gave me an awesome massage, very relaxing. Turned me over got me hard again and we went into FS. She also let me go down on her and eat her out as much as I wanted. In the end I f***ked her 3 times in the 75 minutes I was there. It was absolutely awesome. She was nice and sweet to me. Which from past experiences really shocked me. I'll definitely go back.
She led me back to another guy who led me to the showers. Rinsed off. Went to the front paid and was off. Total damage 725 with the scrub.
Clean Gene
05-02-07, 04:53
I know of an old man, 81 and he is still mongering around. So I am not sure will I be around in 20 years time but I am very sure there will be some members from ISG, who will still be around. :D
Enjoy!
AGCongrats AG.
I myself have my fears, but I have still been capable of the deed. With proper preliminaries. Not the "stainless steel hardness" mentioned. But I can manage to "bend it in". Haven't tried Viagra, Cialis, Levitra or the Chinese potions yet. Just danshen which helps circulation and is not supposed to be sexually stimulating.
Live long and thrive!
CG
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