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In risking even more consternation and incredulity, I'll add the following:
1) The famous Sacrosa also offers prostate massage. 2 hours session including feet, legs, and HJ. Around 400 RMB. Yes, it is rather pointless considered a full session costs 650 even in peak hour.
2) The massage girls all lamented that mongers tend to flock towards FS service but told me that some older men seem to enjoy the HJ (with deep pockets no less).
3) #590 in Sacrosa is indeed a great pick (thanks to Maddog40). Great tits and service.
I have search the reports and the internet. Can someone please post Sacrosa's address or directions? The closest I could get was "between steak house and coffee shop" near the Next Age Shopping Center.
Thank's to all who have posted here and given me so many options in SH. I've been to BKK and Indonesia several times and enjoyed myself greatly. I am lookin forward to my first time in SH, arriving this Saturday.
I have search the reports and the internet. Can someone please post Sacrosa's address or directions? The closest I could get was "between steak house and coffee shop" near the Next Age Shopping Center.
Thank's to all who have posted here and given me so many options in SH. I've been to BKK and Indonesia several times and enjoyed myself greatly. I am lookin forward to my first time in SH, arriving this Saturday.I haven't been there, but this is what I've found from other bros:
5/F, Hua Shen Tower, No. 1085 Pudong Nan Lu. It is behind the Next Age Shoping Center. The building is a little in the back. Phone no. 58352261
Go to the Nextage Mall (otherwise called Ba Bai Ban) on the corner of Zhangyang Lu and Pudong Lu. From there, go north on Pudong Lu for about a half block. You will see a WAGAS on your right. Go to the Xeimei Mall and essentially go straight through that to the back doors. Straight accross you will see a doorman's podium beside an entrance to the building. Go back to the elevators and hit 5F to Sacrosa.
Sixty Cent
11-12-08, 23:45
I have search the reports and the internet. Can someone please post Sacrosa's address or directions? The closest I could get was "between steak house and coffee shop" near the Next Age Shopping Center.
Thank's to all who have posted here and given me so many options in SH. I've been to BKK and Indonesia several times and enjoyed myself greatly. I am lookin forward to my first time in SH, arriving this Saturday.Well then you know where it is.
What you are missing is just that you need to take the elevator and go to the 5th floor.
Formerlybnc
11-14-08, 19:42
guys,
there are some alternatives to the village which are worth checking out. in the same district you can head over to "happy town" in mei long area. i am sure all you village guys have been there. it is not as big but still has a few stunners.
if you wanna try a whole different part of town, i have found a stretch of road with countless shops.
drive down jiang su rd, it changes into cao yang rd. keep going and you will hit a few small strips. keep going... when you get to the intersection of cao yang and wu ning, there is a small strip there off to the side. you can see if you look on the left acvross the intersection if you are coming from the city center.
if that does not suit your fancy, drive past them on that little frontage road, and it curves right, and the whole block has shops on every side.
if you have the patience, skip that whole area... keep going down cao yang lu and aside from the plentiful rep001tering of shops along the way, you eventually get to a large left turn in the road. at that point on your right, there are a strip of shops. there is a legit looking footie place which also has a 60rmb oily.
if you keep going, that curve changes the road into tao pu rd. down tao pu rd there are many cross streets along the way with 10-30 shops in their 1-2 square blocks. i dont recall the name of the cross street off hand, but once you are on tao pu rd, and fs shops there are only 150 like in the village.
if you live in center of town jing an, and closeby, the actualy distance and cost to travel is the same as going to the village. just feels far since you likely have never been there. i have been going for a long time and never seen foreigners with the exception of wuning cao yao intesection once. the guys wouldn't even make eye contact with me.
have fun!
went back to the village the other night to find everything shuddered up!
no pink lights, no lovelies in plain sight.
about half of the girls are still there, but they're inside. you have to walk into the houses to look at them. there was a little hottie i had my eye on just last week, but god knows where she's off to now.
since i was on wuzhong, figured i would go down to the other strip of bbs by guilin rd. the shops were all open, but i was told there had been a raid just this past week. i guess the vice squad needed a shakedown to get their end-of-year numbers up to snuff. god damn pigs!
anyways, these shakedowns are a joke. they make the girls leave, only to allow a whole new batch of girls come in the very next day. hell, probably on the same day.
some of the wuzhong gals have migrated to xiaomuqiao lu. (just south of xietu and peacock massage). which i guess is ok since it might save me some cab fare.
Vista Sushi
11-15-08, 12:27
My first report, so be kind.
It was Friday night and after going out to dinner with some colleagues from work I got a message from a friend. She responded to my criagslist advert for someone to hang out with and go to dinners. As a frequent traveler I was trying to establish a network in town for extracurricular activities. As with these sort of things its an investment for some future freebie benefits. Hopefully I can report on this later. So far, nothing but dinner and drinks.
She messaged me that they were at Malone’s. I headed over to meet her and her friend. Interestingly enough she is trying to fix me up with her friend. Sort of a bait and switch. Except the switch is more attractive than the bait. I’m walking a fine line on this one since I’m still unsure of the switches intentions. I’m a straight-up sort of guy and don’t want to lead on a marriage-minded girl just for benefits.
So, after the night ended with nothing more than dancing and conversation I took the taxi back to my hotel. I’m staying in Xujiahui. I went up stairs and readied my room for a tryst. Basically locked up anything I didn’t want stolen. I headed down stairs to see what I could negotiate on the street. Unfortunately, it was past 1am and the street was dead. I headed towards a bar not far from the hotel hoping for some options. Again, dead.
So, I headed back to the room and fired up criagslist and found an add promising full service for 500 RMB + Taxi. From reading the posts it seems like the market rate for WG action in Shanghai is 400 RMB. With the convenience of not trying to chase one down, I said what the hell. I dialed up the number and within an hour had a knock on the hotel door.
What I got was a 27 y/o from Harbin. She was cute for sure, but I’d put her in the 6 or 7 range. She was carrying a few pounds for a Chinese girl (maybe a bar girl drinking a lot of beer) but I’ve always enjoyed a little fluff. She may have been a B-cup and she had some erasers for nipples. She had a tattoo on her foot – sort of a turnoff for me. I’m more attracted too the innocent looking type. For comparison, I was in Malone’s earlier, so I saw several 9s and maybe one 10. That place was crawling with WGs. I’d venture to guess 75%+ of the native female population was a WG. But I was with my long-term investments.
From the start she had a really great attitude. Definitely a good GFE. After the shower we headed to bed. We started out with some kissing and fondling. Before long she was BBBJ, which seemed like her specialty. I’m guessing she’s a BBS girl from the talented BBBJ. I switched her around for a 69 for a nice view and a little DATY. She was amazingly tight. She also had a very tight little star. She had no problem with me playing a bit around the area, giving some theatrical feedback.
After some great sucking, she produced the condom and we started at it. I’ve never been a real fan of condom sex, but I’m also a realist. We go at it in various positions. I think we did just about every one, but wasn’t working for me wearing the raincoat. It usually takes a lot to get me off, and she was working it as much as she could. Still, nothing much was going. I played a bit with her star when we were in doggie and although she let me play, she wasn’t going to let me enter.
Finally, I started to get tired. It was past 3am. I wanted more of that BJ action, since that was glorious. I ripped off the condom and sent her down. She went at it for several minutes. I’m more convinced now that she was a BBS girl since she had some legendary endurance. She kept going and going until I popped. She looked concerned that I was getting close and that she was going to get sprayed. That may have delayed me for several minutes. Then crescendo. She cleaned me up and was off to the shower.
Post shower she came back and we chatted a bit in broken Engrish. She seemed interested in being my ‘Chinese’ girlfriend. Not being naive. Thanks to ISG. I think this will turn more into some independent action with no service charge. But, I’ll try a few more before I settle on a long-term arrangement. I’d like to find a more innocent looking type.
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Couchmoney
11-15-08, 20:38
I've been to Tertiary more than a few times for the HE massage and decided to check out the Peacock after reading some nice reports.
Selected the 298RMB oil massage and got girl #15, cute but nothing special in the looks dept. , I'd give her a 6. Nice enough girl tho, smiling and with decent English which is nice because my Mandarin is not good.
As with other reports, was led to the basement to a small room with an adjoining shower. Place seemed a little in poor shape, especially the shower, but it was still okay. After I showered, I laid down and she started with a back oil massage for what seems like about half the total time, but I wasn't looking at the clock at all. She slowly worked her way lower, blowing softly on my neck and back, then propping up my legs on hers so she could reach under and rub my crotch and balls. She played a little with my ass, but no serious prostate exam here. Then she instructed me to turn over and she went for the HE, the whole time licking my nips and rubbing my balls, or using two hands on my tool. Unlike Tertiary which seems like a race to the finish line, she really took her time here and backed off several times when I was getting too close to blowing. Eventually she let me finish, really great climax while she was back at licking my nips. Then she led me back to shower where this time she soaped me up and rinsed me down herself. I read reports of the girls asking for tips, but she didn't and I went upstairs and paid 298RMB. Enjoyable experience, and I'd say much better than Tertiary which is more time getting a real massage and less time getting a great HE.
I will definitely return to the Peacock.
Question: A couple doors down from the Peacock there's a pink window with a bunch of girls sitting on a couch behind it motioning me to come in. I was just leaving Peacock so while I was curious I kept on walking. Anyone know what sort of service does this kind of setup offer?
So, I headed back to the room and fired up criagslist and found an add promising full service for 500 RMB + Taxi. From reading the posts it seems like the market rate for WG action in Shanghai is 400 RMB. With the convenience of not trying to chase one down, I said what the hell. I dialed up the number and within an hour had a knock on the hotel door.
What I got was a 27 y/o from Harbin. She was cute for sure, but I’d put her in the 6 or 7 range. She was carrying a few pounds for a Chinese girl (maybe a bar girl drinking a lot of beer) but I’ve always enjoyed a little fluff. She may have been a B-cup and she had some erasers for nipples. She had a tattoo on her foot – sort of a turnoff for me. I’m more attracted too the innocent looking type. For comparison, I was in Malone’s earlier, so I saw several 9s and maybe one 10. That place was crawling with WGs. I’d venture to guess 75%+ of the native female population was a WG. But I was with my long-term investments.
Nice first report V. S. I am curious about where you found this Harbin girl's ad on CL. Erotic Services, Women Looking for Men, Casual Encounters?? Where?
ES
Vista Sushi
11-16-08, 07:35
Nice first report V. S. I am curious about where you found this Harbin girl's ad on CL. Erotic Services, Women Looking for Men, Casual Encounters?? Where?
ESIt's in the Erotic Services section. Seems the flat rate pricing strategy is taking hold. There are some for 400, 500, 700, 800. Some are going as high as 1500. Maybe you get what you pay for? The add promises college girls, but I think the only advanced degree she had was a DSc. In BJs.
Es
Yes an interesting report. I have just returned from a week in Shanghai and I also used Criag's List to arrange an in-call. With total success.
Reading the forum I have often seen folk asking about the value of adverts in Craig's List. Will MY experience was positive
The listing quoted 500RMB + taxi so it could have been the same number xxxxx85451 (I am not sure whether Jackson allows a full number even if it is a business number. PM and I can provide full details).
Interesting. First, the phone is answered by a guy speaking almost perfect English with just a slight US accent. Very pleasant and helpful to deeal with. He arranged for someone in 1 hour and there was a ring at the hotel door spot on time.
Lovely girl with an endearing smile. Not a superstar looker but attractive enough with long hair in ringlets. Name I can quote by PM. HIGHLY recommended. Very good BBBJ and allows exploration of all anatomical areas in great detail. Generally a FUN person to be with. She did not speak English and I do not speak any Mandarin, but we coped using a translation machine she carried in her bag. LOTS of laughs at misunderstandings and generally we 'clicked' and the session extended to some 3 or more hours before she left.
I said I would see her again before I left and she gave me a personal phone number. We did meet. And she stayed all night. It would have been a freebee but I insisted otherwise.
Galinsoga
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Member #4358
11-16-08, 22:33
I recall reading a post in this Shanghai forum about 4-5 months ago from a fellow in Shanghai offering to provide guide services to nightlife areas for visitors to Shanghai. I cannot locate this post now via the Search tool.
I am posting becuase I will be in Shanghai again next month and I want to take some extra time and learn more about the city's nighttime activities, and mongering around China in general. Have been to the Shanghai Sauna a few times, and spent about 45 days total in China to date; but I am still a real novice and would really enjoy linking up with someone who can offer guide services.
All help is appreciated!
MI
Mock A Bee
11-17-08, 01:51
It's in the Erotic Services section. Seems the flat rate pricing strategy is taking hold. There are some for 400, 500, 700, 800. Some are going as high as 1500. Maybe you get what you pay for? The add promises college girls, but I think the only advanced degree she had was a DSc. In BJs.
In China, about getting what you pay for, I would have to say you sometimes get exactly what you pay for, but sometimes you get a hell of a lot more than you bargained for!
It goes without saying, oftentimes you don't get squat no matter how much you pay.
In all, there are no real hard and fast rules , and it is pretty hard to generalize because of all the variety you can find in China. (well, ok, actually I do have some rules with Shanghai B*****S that usually proves me correct)
China is full of "Office girls", Working girls, Freelancers, Freebies, Husband seekers, "B*****s who want to empty your wallet and bank account want your wife to find out and generally ruin your life kind of girls" (be careful!), etc.
Fortunately, China is also FULL of out and out freebies who don't want your money, they actually like you, don't want to get married, and don't want to ruin your life - they just want some TLC and sex.
Just my 2 fen worth,
MAB
I recall reading a post in this Shanghai forum about 4-5 months ago from a fellow in Shanghai offering to provide guide services to nightlife areas for visitors to Shanghai. I cannot locate this post now via the Search tool.
I am posting because I will be in Shanghai again next month and I want to take some extra time and learn more about the city's nighttime activities, and mongering around China in general. Have been to the Shanghai Sauna a few times, and spent about 45 days total in China to date; but I am still a real novice and would really enjoy linking up with someone who can offer guide services.
All help is appreciated!
MI
That guide would be DragonD but I have not seen a post from him in a long time. Maybe he is not providing that service any longer.
ES
I recall reading a post in this Shanghai forum about 4-5 months ago from a fellow in Shanghai offering to provide guide services to nightlife areas for visitors to Shanghai. I cannot locate this post now via the Search tool.
I am posting becuase I will be in Shanghai again next month and I want to take some extra time and learn more about the city's nighttime activities, and mongering around China in general. Have been to the Shanghai Sauna a few times, and spent about 45 days total in China to date; but I am still a real novice and would really enjoy linking up with someone who can offer guide services.
All help is appreciated!
MISearch for Dragon D (with whitespace) and you find the posts. I wouldn't be surprised if LE has thaken him out of business at the Olympics cleanup. On the other hand he was very very connected.
Leaving China after a nice 3 years in Shanghai. I promised to provide a scan of business cards of the 4 places within 15 minute easy walk of BaBaiBan (Nextage Mall) in Pudong but the forum's arbitrary file size limit makes them unreadable. If you want a copy, PM me with your email and I can send to you.
There is a VERY good legit massage place where my favorite (#30, Miao Ju) walks on my back. This shop is located at 648 Laoshan Lu. This is a PURELY legit place!! They will abide no hanky panky on site!! It is located on the East side about halfway down from Weifeng Lu toward Pudian Lu. 58881219
Mock A Bee
11-17-08, 04:57
I went shopping over the weekend to look for some new shoes and browse to see what new junk, I mean high quality consumer goods, were for sale. The usual clothing, shoe and souvenir shops are finally trying to sell their goods for more realistic prices.
We FINALLY have the upper hand as buyers!
I was at the Nanjing Lu and Chengdu Lu (aka north south elevated highway) Shopping Plaza.
Fake Nike's or equivalent dropped pretty quickly (in less than ten seconds I might add!) from 300+rmb down to 80rmb as I ask and walked away from several shops.
The same goes with clothing and suitcases. I priced a fake Thomas Pink shirt down to 50rmb without any sweat - and I HATE bargaining! This was really easy over the weekend!
No customers on Saturday! It was easy to walk around and hardly anyone was buying! Not crowded at all!
If you bargain you will find that you can buy stuff for much better prices than when times were good.
The shop keepers are finding it really hard to sell anything these days.
Shop smart and bargain hard!
MAB
"Formerlybnc", excellent tips on Caoyang Rd. Would never have thought to go up into Putuo District, but I'm genuinely intrigued and excited to check it all out. I've been getting worried recently that my BBS options are drying up.
Will also be heading back to the Village this week to see if the heat's died down. And will post any new info. Heard from my fav BBS hottie that at least the heat on her stretch of Wuzhong Lu has died down.
"Happy Town". I've down to Lianhua Lu. Several times, but never found anything. Thought everything was maybe covered up by the gigantic mall they put up over there and all those residential blocks. Am I just missing it? Is "Happy Town" or "Meilong" still around? If so, where exactly is it?
I've now switched almost exclusively to BBS. I went to a sauna the other night to see a girl I liked, but man, what a hassle and so damn expensive. For every sauna, you could have yourself 3 or 4 girls in a BBS. And in these tough times, well, a man's got to spend his cash wisely.
Admittedly, BBS take some getting used to. They're probably not for rookies or tourists. But I'd like to think for monger aficionados, this is where the real action is. I always get a huge adrenaline rush whenever I step into a shop. If sauna's are pricey four-star restaurants, then BBS are the tiny hole-in-the-wall joints where you're almost as likely to catch food poisoning as being fed the best meal of your life. Guess where I’ve had my best meals in Shanghai?
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Vista Sushi
11-17-08, 14:40
China is full of "Office girls", Working girls, Freelancers, Freebies, Husband seekers, "B*****s who want to empty your wallet and bank account want your wife to find out and generally ruin your life kind of girls" (be careful!), etc.
Fortunately, China is also FULL of out and out freebies who don't want your money, they actually like you, don't want to get married, and don't want to ruin your life - they just want some TLC and sex.I'm fast figuring that one out. Seems about 95 percent of the girls go zero to marriage in about 1 date. I'm no freakonomicist, but if you add it up, I think its cheaper just going the anonymous route at saunas, BBSs or picking up SWs. If you drop 500 RMB per session on average, it has to be cheaper than the cost/risk of the alternative.
There is also the other route of getting the "Office Girl" in a compromising position and leaking it on the net. The Shanghai Daily had a interestingly candid story today about the "Shanghai Orient Kappa Girl". Google that to see what can be done to ruin a Chinese girl's life.
Recently back from 7 nights in Shanghai.
Had a great time, as usual in Shanghai. What a city!
Anyway, visited several times both Peacock and Phoneix massage (just next door, exact same procedure) and had a great time with all the girls.
The best one was from Phoenix (n° 5), a nice 25 year old girl from Hubei with a nice rack. The damage has always been the same RMB 298 in these places, which is rather dear but it's a safe place, you have fun and there are no surprises.
A little tip for all the newbies outthere: if the girl pushes you hard for a tip, simply indicate the red sign in Chinese that they have in each room, which clearly states that no tips are allowed. They'll understand immediately.
Of course, if you want to play a bit more with your girl (I. E. Having her to get her tits out or play with her fanny) you might consider giving her a small tip (as I don't thinks that having them naked or allowing your fingers in them is part of the package).
Was also tempted to check out that SPA place also recently opened but I just stopped in front to check the menu and saw different things available. Read somewhere that you should go for the RMB 200something option but didn't go in this time as I preferred to go to the known spots just next door.
I also went to a couple of soapies, one of them is a well know spot in here (Nakada. Zhongtian Sauna), which is in the Hongqiao area more or less, just behind the Reinassance Yangtze Hotel.
Great service and amazing time in there, really on the wet materass you feel like you are a boy again with all the sliding and overall fun.
Great attitude by the girl, and a good price too if you go in the afternoon and get out before 7 (700 RMB with the printed coupon from their website).
Another little tip for all you guys out there is that you can actually check out the girls pictures in the website, and what a choice, although I must say that maybe the pics are a little dated as I only saw half of the girls that I saw on the web that were working that afternoon.
Anyway, for those of you who want to check out some faces, here is the link: http://www.touch-net.net/nakada/photo/xiaojie/
Went also to another soapie place with some Chinese mates, it's called Nanfang Sangna Xiuxian Huiso (Gao Yuan), I don't know where it is located but the phone number is: 021-54802188.
I don't have a scanner here so it'll be hard to post the business card.
Nice place, more or less on the same level as Nakada.
Also went to a Karaoke joint still in the Hongqiao area, nice place and the line up was rather impressive.
Was quoted 2000 RMB for take out which I declined as I wasn't really interested and a bit too tired (early work day the day after and we went there quite late as we left the place at 2. 30.)
Anyway, same problem as above, I can't scan the business card (all in Chinese anyway) but the telephone n° is 6234-7427 and the place is located at the 3-4 Floor of a building.
Went also to some bars, mainly Paulaner both in Xintiandi and in another location. The one in Xintiandi definetely had working girls at the entrance, as I matter of fact as soon as I entered I was immediately grabbed by a gorgeous brazilian girl who didn't want to let me go. Her intentions were very clear but I was with business people there so I could not stop nor inquire the price.
I still have so many places to explore and I can't wait to do so in my next trip but God. Do I love Shanghai? You bet I do!
Now I have a question: I was staying in a Hotel in Yili Lu, in front of the Hongqiao park. There are some bbs nearby and I have a question: can you go inside and get the girl to come to your hotel for a ST or you have to consume on the premises? I haven't tried this option yet, I more prefer to stay on the safe side with Saunas & massage joints, but I really spotted some cuties in these places and given the cheaper price I'm very tempted to try next time I was just wondering how this take away thing could work in the bbs as I doubt the ladies can leave the place in their silky long blue dresses. Ahahaha
Have fun & play safe!
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Despite all the information here, I also had some difficulty to find it. Therefore, I try another help for some interested brothers.
You have to go to the "Next Age" shopping mall, but should not access from the usual "front side", but from the backside, ie. you should enter from the Pudong South Road side (a city map may help). Then, there is a larger place between the buildings. At the left side of that place, you see the "Steak King" and more to the left "UBC Coffee". The entrance is between the two, opposite of "Xin Mei Union Square Building", and - as others already said, you shall go then to the 5th floor.
For further clarification, and in case you need to ask some locals, I attach the business card of the place.
Well then you know where it is.
What you are missing is just that you need to take the elevator and go to the 5th floor.
Sacrosa was recommended by the International Sex Guide. It is located behind the Next Age Shopping Center. The entrance is from the South Pudong Rd., opposite the Xin Mei Union Square and between the UBC Coffee Shop and Steak King.
I recently visited Sacrosa, based on the recommendations on the forum. After some search, I found it (see my other post).
The place is pretty much as described here before, so I can skip this part.
I selected #311 based on her stunner body, very pretty face and (presumably) perfect tits (I was not disappointed by this assumption, later on).
But the girl was a bit mechanical and made her "program". She was apparently also afraid of my size. Therefore, she gave me a BBBJ for about 15 minutes. I had to make sure not to come and had to stop her.
Finally, I had to insist to have the real main course. But when I wanted to DATY, she had alreay put gel into her pussy, so no licking was advisable.
Positive: the place and outfit. The girl with a stunner body and stunner face. Her tits are just fantastic.
Negative: Attitude and service.
First of all a great "thanks" to all the stalwarts of the Shanghai forum for the valuable info that they have put on it for guys like me who visit infrequently and for short times. The knowledge that you have sometimes summarised about the Shanghai scene and how/ where to find the major places of entertainment is priceless.
Add to that I have a good, very good, memory for maps. I can read a map and remember most of it. Prior to my visit I had studied the Shanghai map in http://www.smartshanghai.com/maps/smsh_map_fullscreen.php Which is useful but lacks some detail. However it can be read in conjunction with the city map (based on Google interactive maps) found in http://www.smartnamecard.com/Pages/map.aspx?oOrgID=176 Now that map is detailed AND shows the locations of many bars, clubs, restaurants and hotels. A great feature of this site is that by clicking on the icons for individual bars etc you can print a namecard and Taxi Driver Instructions. I found that invaluable. Do NOT forget top print one to get back to your own hotel
Finally the website based on http://sh.city8.com/panosearch is superb because not only do you get an interactive map but also a pane in which you can SEE a 360 degree view from any point identified on the map. That way you can go look at the front of (say) Shanghai Hotel are Sarcosa before you even arrive in China. Unfortunately the Map8 system is all in Chinese but working out how to use it was not too big a problem and the road layouts/ names can be compared easily with those shown in Smartnamecard
Down to business
OK, I arrived around mid-day on Sunday 9th and was taken to the hotel. Having completed along flight I cried off meeting my local business colleagues on the grounds of being tired and needing a rest. Bear in mind I am in my later 60s so I can credibly make such claims.
In practice I dumped the bags, had a shower and took a taxi to the Hilton, then following forum instructions found the Shanghai Hotel with no problem. All the forum instructions worked perfect – walk in, turn left and take the lift to floor 2. You hardly get a chance to read the adverts/ price list when some guy will say "massage" – just say yes and follow him.
Personally I did not find it the least bit disconcerting to have the guys help me by taking the clothes and putting them away. Nor do I have a problem showering in view of others.
Personally I also liked the scrub-down with a rough towel to remove the accumulated yuk.
I declined the hot room and the big pool thing, put on the pyjama and off to "recuperation" ie a sofa bed in front of the TV. I was offered manicure and pedicure, accepting only the latter because I have had that before in Shanghai a couple of years ago and it was good. THAT time my wife was with me so it was pedicure only.
After that down to the selection room. Like Heaven really. Being an extrovert I just smiled at them all and asked – anyone speak some English for a big Englishman. One girl said yes and a couple of other pointed to her – so grab a hand and off we go. A pretty girl, No 8 I think.
The events in the room have been so well recorded it is hardly worth repeating them ie the cat bath – interesting. Rimming – even more interesting because it was done with a lot more intent than I have ever experienced before, A rather nice BBBJ re-positioned for lots of 69 and then followed by the Red Rope. Having read comments on the forum I provided my own condoms of more suitable size than the Chinese version. I think that helped a lot with the comfort of the penetration session. Well, it did for me anyway.
All very professional and top class would be my summary. The girl was great too. Pretty, VERY nice pointy boobs and a lot more of them than I expected based on my contact with others from the orient. Her reasonable English helped a lot of course. We could even chat a bit post event.
Finally, time was up so another shower, dressed and pay up. Being early afternoon the charge including pedicure was around RMB 750. I did not remember the detail. Sure I gave the girl herself a tip, a decent size one. I know, I know you locals disapprove because as regulars you dislike visitors spoiling the patch. However, she was nice, she was good and I did enjoy.
Not bad for a first ‘outing’. I walked back to the Hilton and took a taxi back to my hotel with enough time to unpack and be ready for business colleagues to pick me up for dinner "rested and refreshed" around 6. Ha, if only they knew.
To be continued. .
Remember, I was there for 6 days and there was at least one event on every day
Galinsoga
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Sorry to see you go.
Thanks for the business card scans.
Leaving China after a nice 3 years in Shanghai. I promised to provide a scan of business cards of the 4 places within 15 minute easy walk of BaBaiBan (Nextage Mall) in Pudong but the forum's arbitrary file size limit makes them unreadable. If you want a copy, PM me with your email and I can send to you.
There is a VERY good legit massage place where my favorite (#30, Miao Ju) walks on my back. This shop is located at 648 Laoshan Lu. This is a PURELY legit place!! They will abide no hanky panky on site!! It is located on the East side about halfway down from Weifeng Lu toward Pudian Lu. 58881219
A couple of weekends ago I stayed in Shanghai.
Hotel: Courtyard Marriott in Pudong new area.
Directions to Sacrosa from Hotel: Go out main lobby and turn right. Go to third redlight and turn right. After going under an intersection, you will see two malls on the right. In between these two malls you will see the SteakKing. Entrance is between the SteakKing and UBS coffee. Go inside to first elevator on the right and go to 5th floor. This opens up to Sacrosa.
Friday visit: Arrived at 4pm. After shower and waiting in TV room for 10 minutes I was presented with about 15 girls. I chose #505. This girl has to be the pretties girl I have ever been with. Perfect skin tone, not one blemish, great small C tits and perfect ass. She started out by cleaning my co**, balls, hands and ears with wipes. After this I thought I would be in for a great GF experience. She then started with the catbath of the back. I don't know why anyone would like this. I don't and I expressed that I was not interested. I rolled over and she knew wait I wanted and she started BBBJ. Best BBBJ I have ever experienced. I tried to explain I was about to explode and she pulled off briefly, just enough to take the first shot up her nose and the second shot went over my shoulder. She quickly got back on and DT'd. I was in heaven. I hadn't shot like that for many years. After cleaning up and a brief back massage, I rolled over and she was surprized to see jr hard and ready for round two. I pulled out a trojan out of my small bag and she put it on and started out in CG. After CG and doggie, she did reverse CG. With that perfect ass bouncing up and down I didn't last long. Only negative about 505 was that she did not allow much touching at all, no tits, no puss,....
#505 Summary
Looks: 10
Tits: 9.5
Attitude: 9.5
GFE: 2
Repeatable: Yes
Saturday: Called to request the famous #570. They said to arrive at 2pm. Upon arrival I was told she would be 30 minutes later. I asked for a lineup and was presented with 5 girls. None interested me, so I waited. I'm very glad I waited. # 570 is a girl with perfect tits. Very GFE. BBBJ, 2 shots. Great experience.
#570 Summary
Looks: 9.5
Tits: 10
Attitude: 9.5
GFE: 8.5
Repeatable: Oh Yes
Sunday: Arrived at 11am. Presented with 5 girls, chose # 512. Good experience. Again 2 shots. This girl did not want me to leave before my 70 minutes was up. Not sure if they get fined or what, but I really wanted to leave, but she did give second BBBJ, but I was too tired for a third pop.
#512 Summary
Looks: 8
Tits: 7.5
Attitude: 8.5
GFE: 5
Repeatable: Probably not
Tip for Shanghai Mongers: Stay away from Tongren Lu, Craigslist and streetgirls. They are too risky for STD's, ripoffs and disappointments. If you stick with a sauna like Sacrosa, you know what you will be getting. Great value for the money and service is great. The girls are there to serve you. Just my honest opinion.
With todays economy, I'm not sure when I'll be back in China, but I will sure miss China.
Fitz
Unknown One
11-18-08, 11:24
Hey guys, I know I havent posted in ages, but thanks to ES I been really loving CFF until I can no longer access it. I also havent posted on here because the firewall in China also this past year shut down this access as well. Found a great proxy that works fast now so I will begin posting again.
Ok CFF freebies aside, wont talk about those because they are personal but if I may brag a little, had 3-4 hot office girls in SH and one model down in SZ. I know I know, volume may be a little low, but these girls have been really high on my standards list so Im happy.
Anyways on to the report. There was a post regarding this 24H sauna place out in hongqiao, I went there to check it out and tried a girl from Guangxi region. Whoever you are who enjoys this place, I personally disagree with you. I find this place to be the BBS of saunas, yet the price is still fairly expensive at around 700RMB. They do have set menus, and you can pick up A,B,C, or D which offers different services with 60mins to 90mins time. A is straight up sex in a small room, and B is more flair to the straight up, C is the soapie thingie, and D is 2 pops or 2 girls I dont remember. The prices are also adjusted based on amount of service given.
The previous post about this place spoke of a special from 2AM to 2PM of about 500 for a sauna. It is true but also a bit misdirection.
What you actually get is the A menu at a discounted 45 minute time slot.
Anyways, this is the summary:
Quality: 2 the soapie bed even had mold growing on it, there was ash on the couch, with left over cigarette butts still tucked away in a cup on the side of the couch. I checked over a few of their rooms and they were all pretty much the same. The bed was probably some place I would only sleep in it with my clothes and shoes on.
Girls: 3-4 (selection) there were only about 6-7 available period. I saw 4 plus the mamasan said she had a few working but I counted only 3 closed doors. 5-6 (quality) These girls are BBS quality but repackaged into a sauna environment.
Service: Well maybe that was my fault since the girl didnt provide eye contact, but the Guangxi girl was mechanical and methodical. At one point I tried to break her routine and she froze up completely like a dead fish. I mean Carrefour flash frozen dead. It is understandable that they can only make it through the day by numbing out like a machine, but that really turns me off. I love the passionate ones. In the end I didnt even pop and (dont laugh) faked my own orgasm and left it at that with a simple thank you.
Recommendation: Avoid. There are much better choices.
Cant remember the cost as this was awhile ago but it was consistent with the previous posts. It is a little bit cheaper than the other great locations posted on this thread. But in terms of price and quality of this place, I would rather recommend 500 Wuzhonglu. If Jack still remembers my little "Sugar" he tried out with great enthusiasm. I think that place might be better although I havent been in some time as well.
I live in HQ area, and I know there have been a ton of saunas around here, but since I never saw any posts about them, I always assumed they were rip offs for Japanese business men. But lately I noticed HQ getting attention, and one previous inner city place (Soapie is it?) also moved onto Wuzhonglu. Anyways, I will try out more saunas around HQ to provide report.
UO
P.S If anybody want to comment on why I left without popping, well simply put I guess the lack of quality turned me off period. I have been more interested in freebies for the past year, and if you look at my previous posts ( from at least a year ago) you will notice I only post excellent GFE services from professionals. If its not the best, its not worth sharing =) Just my POV.
Unknown One
11-18-08, 11:36
One more thing, for others roaming in Shanghai, has anyone come across tea or coffee houses? I know I could RTFF but, proxy server ya know? Cant search. I have always been fascinated with stories of places you go in on an evening to read a book and order coffee or tea, get serviced by the cute waitress and end up taking her right there in the tea room or good ol' fashion (hopefully mutual) oral satisfaction. I have heard stories of places offering such service in SH, anybody know where? Preferrably near HQ but city center will do, just cant frequent it if it is far.
Thanks in advance.
El Frances
11-18-08, 19:30
This was my first time in Shanghai. I like slim Chinese girls and in Beijing and Xian I had no opportunity to put my dirty hands on any slim girl, except for a big mistake in Beijing. In Shanghai I got a nearly continuous hard-on looking at all these slim girls in the street and in the subway and I thought: “this is the place!”, the ultimate achievement of my quest!
From reading this forum, the best option in Shanghai seems to be saunas, so I decided to try it. My first try has been the so called JJ sauna which has been positively commented in this thread. Of course the taxi could not find 209 wulumuqui Lu because I did not notice it was in Bei Lu (North Road) as I discovered after having phoned the sauna. Once there, around 11pm, I asked for a slim girl (in Chinese: miao tiao). Yes, no problem! In fact they only introduced 2 girls to me, none of them slim. Obviously there was no other girl for me; I chose the youngest one which appeared to be 10 from Chengdu. This girl had an incredibly firm body, and in particular tits looking like they had been inflated, which largely compensated the fact she was not so slim. To me, she was looking like a baby, and I could not take seriously her attempts to look sexy and provoking. I could not help pressing her nose to check if any milk was going out. Anyway she did her best to provide good service, first soapy massage, then some kinds of sucking on all parts of my body. Finally I also got riming (she first wanted to put a vibro in my ass!), which was not so bad except that she put so much menthol flavoured disinfecting lotion that I had an uncomfortable cold feeling on my ass and balls. And then fuck in several positions. This was quite nice but after I felt a bit frustrated as I realised that most of the time have been spend on too long preliminary activities, and that after all, the time spent for real sex has not been so long.
My second attempt has been TH sauna. In some post the presence of young slim girls have been mentioned in this sauna, so I though it could be worth the extra time to go there. I went early, around 7 pm. I also asked for “miao tiao”, no problem. In the small fishbowl, only four girls to choose from, none of them slim. Worse: it was obvious that none of them had a firm body. Anyway, it had taken me enough time to get there, so let’s try. I chose a girl from Hebey who had very sexy legs and white skin. After she got nude, her body was as expected, and her tits were even kind of flagging. I could not understand it as this girl was only 23. It’s too bad because she was so sexy. I think when she was 18 she was at least worth a 9! Despite it I got one of my best sexual experience so far. The girl had a very sexy and provoking attitude, made a good soapy massage, did a superb BJ looking at me while sucking. Then she asked me to turn for riming. Damn she put a dildo in my ass! No it wasn’t a dildo, it was her tongue! Then for FS, she really knew how to use her pussy. In brief I would give her 7 for beauty and 10 for service.
Finally, after dinner I went to tongren lu and found the slim girl in the first bar I came in: cute, 18 years old, angel like. Unfortunately: (1) I already went to sauna, (2) I had to wake up early, (3) according to posts in this forum there was no chance that I could take her to my hotel (or did I misunderstand?).
Elfrances
209 wulumuqui Lu? I never found it either. It seems you can cope with some of the language and asked. I have none of the language and could hardly ask my work colleagues.
The story of my hunt for JJs will be reported soon
Galinsoga
After arriving mid-day in Shanghai from Europe and spending an enlightening time at Shanghai Hotel in the afternoon there was then a dinner with colleagues early evening. The important word is early – because by 8. 30 they had deposited me back at my hotel.
Am I going to waste the rest of the evening? NBL.
I decide I will go walking along Hengshan Lu in the general direction of Nanjing Road and associated entertainments. Ignoring a few invitations from the girls in the doorways of bars on the way along Hengshan Lu I was surprised how quickly I arrived at the Hilton. My sense of direction had not failed me. Although I was very tempted to go around the corner and sample the Shanghai Hotel again I decided to put that thought to one side. A meander down TRL was to say the least interesting. However, having been a traveller almost all my life I can fend off the approaches of the pimps and ladies in an amicable way.
I had remembered a report on the forum comparing JJs with Shanghai Hotel and JJs had come out better. So I decided to look for JJs. 209 Wulumuqui was the address given. I could find Wulumuqui easy enough and walked down towards Fuxing Rd from the Shanghai Hotel area looking for 209. I never found it! I found numbers greater and numbers smaller – but where JJs should have been was simply a board wall with demolished building behind
Has my sense of direction let me down? I have an uncomfortable feeling that I was walking in the wrong direction (towards Fuxing Rd) and I should perhaps have been walking towards the elevated road.
Never mind, I continued walking and with a few turns here and there I was at a junction hearing Latin music ie Zapatas. As an ‘old hand’ of South America I needed no further thought and went in the gate, bought a beer (too damned cold) and into the music/ dance area. Good it was. It did not take long to spot the obvious girls looking for business. Even at my years I can organise a chat up whether or not I speak the language. I chatted to a couple as best you can when I have no Mandarin and they had limited English ie a very few words. One seemed more sociable than the other and had a bit more English so I made the offer for her to warm my bed and off we went. Agreed was 800 for as long as I liked.
We could have walked to my hotel in 5 minutes but the 11 RMB flag fare is trivial and after all the walking my feet were a bit sore, so took a taxi. The damned taxi took us past my hotel and to another of the same name. Yes, I did have the hotel card with the name and address written down but the print was small/ low contrast and he could be forgiven for not being able to read it. Anyway, after moans from me and assistance from the girl we got back to the correct hotel. The fare had now gone over the 11 but the driver signalled that because of the mistake the extra was not payable. Fair enough. We had anyway made up for the extra journey with lots of fondling in the taxi.
Up to the room and inspect the goodies. A Mongolian girl, quite tall with a nice, happy, face. Full on kisser which is a real bonus. The surprise came when she stripped for a mutual shower. I have seen small tits before but never quite that small. Some like them that way I know but personally I like them fuller and firmer – not excessive, just fuller/ firmer and preferably quite pointed. She was obviously a bit embarrassed, maybe my face had reacted in some way when I saw her tits. Not to worry, the other bits were all appropriately sized and functioning perfectly. DATY, BBBJ, DFK, starfish play. You name it we did it.
I have read it before on the forum ie that Mongolian girls are uninhibited and highly energetic. I will fully support that statement. We were at it for well over an hour at a high rate, rested half an hour and showered again – then went for a second hour. At my age that is quite a performance. Whenever I slowed down it was "more, more, like it big". I am told by my local girls that I am quite well endowed. Sure we all KNOW they lie through their teeth (and other bits) and that some Asian girls are especially vulnerable to the size of those guys from the west, but it is still nice to hear. For sure this one was highly appreciative.
Ratings
Face, 6
Bod, 4 (unless you like diddy titties)
Attitude, 8 at least – she was fun
Repeat, not for me because I want the bigger titties but otherwise yes.
I took some photos (not things I normally post openly and anyway she asked me not to do so) and generally I had a good time. However, it was now after midnight I had arrived mid-day after a long flight, had spent a couple of hours in Shanghai Hotel in the afternoon and well over 2 hours with this one in the evening.
The next day (Monday) was expected to be free until the evening so some activity was certain. Question – can I keep this up (literally) all week?
The next instalment of the saga will follow
Galinsoga
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Finally, after dinner I went to tongren lu and found the slim girl in the first bar I came in: cute, 18 years old, angel like. Unfortunately: (1) I already went to sauna, (2) I had to wake up early, (3) according to posts in this forum there was no chance that I could take her to my hotel (or did I misunderstand?).
You misunderstood I have taken a lot of girls from this strip of bars and I plan to next week as I will be in Shanghai.
Wizard
Makeupaname
11-19-08, 03:43
You misunderstood I have taken a lot of girls from this strip of bars and I plan to next week as I will be in Shanghai.
WizardOn Tong ren there are a few different kind of bars. FL at Judys & Manhattans.
Normal bars like Red Beat & Blue Frog. Then there are the buy me a drink girl
bars where you can not get take out.
El Frances
11-19-08, 09:16
Elfrances
209 wulumuqui Lu? I never found it either. It seems you can cope with some of the language and asked. I have none of the language and could hardly ask my work colleagues.
The story of my hunt for JJs will be reported soon
Galinsoga
There are two parts in this street, south and north, separated by the expressway. JJ is in wulumumuqui beilu (north road), which on the north side of the expressway (same side as tongren lu). If you don't find, you can give the mobile phone number to the driver and he will ask. I did not keep the number, it's somewhere on this forum.
El Frances
11-19-08, 09:17
On Tong ren there are a few different kind of bars. FL at Judys & Manhattans.
Normal bars like Red Beat & Blue Frog. Then there are the buy me a drink girl
bars where you can not get take out.
It was a buy me a drink bar.
Decided that I needed to check out some of the good reports for specific numbers at Sacrosa this afternoon. I actually called ahead to ask about MY personal favorite #503 since she fulfilled my Greek fantacy one time. The English speaking guy there said she was 'off work'. The second time in a row I have gotten that answer for her. Hummmm, I wonder. Decided then to show up and ask about some of the other numbers I have recently read about, but none were available so I didn't follow my instinct to leave for another day. BAD mistake!
There seemed to be a lot more business than usual for 3 pm but I again went ahead. Did the usual shower thing and was sent to a waiting room. NO ONE even asked if I wanted a drink of water! Waited about 10 minutes and was seconds away from calling it a day when the guy stuck his head in and said OK. I went to the line up, if you can call 4 girls a line up, and inspected the goods. There was a weak 5, a couple of 6s and a pretty good 8, but NONE would even look at me! This time I followed my instinct and told the mama that these were not acceptable. I said I would just go home but she urged me to wait for another group. MISTAKE. I went back to the lounge and waited some more and then a guy came in to ask what my problem was with the girls. He said they were very busy today and I would have to wait some time for another lineup. I declined and told them I was leaving.
I got dressed and headed out where I was presented with a bill for 88 RMB. I told them that this was not acceptable andf I would not be back, but it made no difference! Nice to know a frequent customer would be treated that way. I would ask someone who can speak Chinese (SixtyCent) to copy this report and go over it with them to explain this is not much different from the now poorly rated Shanghai Sauna. Pudong does NOT need this kind of mamahuhu service! Truth is, since I am leaving China soon, I would not be returning anyway, but I can also say that I would not return to Sacrosa for a long time if I stayed in China 5 more years.
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There have been many topics on the BBS scene in Shanghai, however I still have a point which is not too clear to me.
And please don't flame me because I have definetely read the forum, and I'm also contributing myself for what I can.
Do all the BBS have a take out option even for ST or this applies only to LT?
If you take out for ST, is it more expensive than consuming on the premises?
(apart from the fare to send her back by taxi, if needed).
The reason why I ask this is because I have seen some BBS near the Hotel where I usually stay in Hong Qiao area, but I would really prefer to take my girl back to my room even for ST (even paying a bit more) than to go on the back rooms of the BBS.
Appreciate any feedback about this.
Xiexie
day 2, monday
after the session at shanghai hotel yesterday and then a mongolian take-away for near 3 hours in the evening it was hardly surprising i slept in until 9am and was a bit slow coming round mentally this morning. over a leisurely bacon & egg breakfast i decided most of today really must be shopping for those things i had promised i would bring back for the family. "go to nanjing road, you will find anything" said friends. yer – right, you will if you have a big budget. i took a taxi to the temple and walked down nanjing rd to about as far as xizong rd with excursions into many shops. lots of shopping potential but out of my price range. at that point i cut up to beijing rd and walked back with meanderings up and down the side roads off beijing road. much better shopping potential and good value for money. i was well laden with bags by the time i was back to the changde lu area
i will confess to having great fun around the changde lu area. basically i was trying to find zy because ace gallant had suggested that to me as an appropriate introduction to a bbs type experience. before i found zy i found lots of other bbs places. being a provocative old sod i found it fun to peer through the window or door just to see the reactions of the girls and mamasan. there were lots of offers of course but i did not take any up, saying "tomorrow, tomorrow" when a couple of more exuberant mamasans came outside to encourage me to sample the available wares. the temptations were high because i have to say there were some very tasty looking girls in the bbs places.
eventually i found zy, which was the objective of me being in that area. and it was shut! this would be around 2. 30 pm. the door was firmly locked and no sign of lights or life through the glass. well, at least i had found it and it was exactly where i thought it would be ie directly opposite the orchard crc restaurant and pub
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so, a bit more tramping around the local roads and small shops (buying three very nice leather jackets for ladies of my acquaintance back home at very respectable prices. that will get me some brownie points.)
finally i had to head back for a business meeting in my hotel at 4pm to be followed by being taken to dinner.
fortunately again the dinner ended early and i was back in my hotel by just after 8. 30. probably i should have opened the briefcase and done some work in preparation for work the next day. stuff that, i pulled out the craig’s list print outs i had brought with me and phoned. . 7407 for a home delivery.
it was a bit difficult communicating with the lady taking the order because i do not have any mandarin but once she had the hotel name/ address/ room number and i had the price for full service (she understood that expression ok) ie 700 + taxi then i was confident it would all work. lucy arrived 45 mins later and was all i could hope for.
ratings
face – 8 at least, very pretty
figure – 9, a dream. lovely soft but pointy tits, just how i like them
attitude – varied. 5 initially but i think because she was apprehensive about this older looking guy. however, that changed as things “loosened up” in more ways than one. i would say 8 by the time we finished
performance – 8 again. size was an issue but we managed. she did not want any finger insertions to help things along but was happy with some starfish playing once we were in action. definitely responded well to daty and gave a big cum all over my face, accompanied by a lot of mutual laughter.
repeatability – for sure.
only drawback was no photos
not a long session ie 2 hours but memorable. so memorable i had difficulty sleeping that night and with work the next day that is not good.
to be continued
galinsoga
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First thing about BBS: there's usually a foreigner tax.
A 200 RMB FS session for me (Chinese) would be quoted at 300 RMB for a "laowai". You can try negotiating for a fair price, but at nicer BBS (especially those with hotter gals), it's often a no-go. Pay the tax, or no honey.
I've taken foreigner friends with me to some of my fav BBS. And even in front of us. They'll quote me one price and my friend another price. All the girls say it has to do with size. Doesn't matter if the laowai speaks good Chinese or not. I think this is hilarious.
Eat in. Or take out?
Eating in will always be cheaper. But the f*ck chambers are going to be small and/or dingy as hell. If you're tall, chubby, clausterphobic, germaphoic. Or simply afraid of getting robbed. Probably better to ask for take out.
Each BBS and girl will have different thoughts about take out. Generally, all the girls much rather do it on the premises, since it's safer for them and their friends are all there. Not worth the 100 RMB or whatever for them to schlep it to your hotel or apartment and back.
Not the case, however, in the Village. And other BBS plazas out in the burbs. Where take out is often actively encouraged by the pimps.
Whatever the case, talk to the pimps or the girls. Negotiate. The key words are: "Da Bao"? . Take Out.
If you're a foreigner, they'll probably try to rip you off. Generally, if the girl's willing to do take out, it shouldn't be more than an extra 100 RMB on top of regular service (taxi fare not included unless negotiated). No need for tip, unless you really like her. Or really feel sorry for her.
Overnight might cost as much as a trip to a sauna: around 600/700 RMB. But rates vary. Again, you're in China, so negotiate hard.
But from personal experience, I think the key question is actually: do you want this girl by your side for a couple of hours?
BBS girls are young, poor, uneducated girls from god-knows-where. They are very crude. And once taken out of their element. Behave like fish out of water. Or even better, like lost children. Don't be surprised if your girl decides to lock herself in your bathroom for half-an-hour, or refuses to even let you touch her! Outside the cage, they get very, very cagey.
All spoken from personal experience.
Anyways, advice for take out:
1. Bargain hard. Always at least pretend to walk away.
2. Only get a girl who's obviously comfortable with it. Any sign of hesitation on their part. And you're probably wasting a lot of money on what's going to be a pretty lame time. Might want to look for older or sluttier gals.
3. Do it on the premises first. Get to know them somewhat. They'll be much more comfortable doing take out with you the next time you see them.
4. If you live in SH, I suggest finding regulars to frequent. They'll be more than eager to come to your place. Probably for free. These girls are usually bored out of their minds and severely love-starved. Find the right one. And you might just land yourself an awesome sex-bot.
But please, go, explore and report back. Tales from the fringes are the best.
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First thing about BBS: there's usually a foreigner tax.
A 200 RMB FS session for me (Chinese) would be quoted at 300 RMB for a "laowai". You can try negotiating for a fair price, but at nicer BBS (especially those with hotter gals), it's often a no-go. Pay the tax, or no honey.
I've taken foreigner friends with me to some of my fav BBS. And even in front of us. They'll quote me one price and my friend another price. All the girls say it has to do with size. Doesn't matter if the laowai speaks good Chinese or not. I think this is hilarious.
Eat in. Or take out?
Eating in will always be cheaper. But the f*ck chambers are going to be small and/or dingy as hell. If you're tall, chubby, clausterphobic, germaphoic. Or simply afraid of getting robbed. Probably better to ask for take out.
Each BBS and girl will have different thoughts about take out. Generally, all the girls much rather do it on the premises, since it's safer for them and their friends are all there. Not worth the 100 RMB or whatever for them to schlep it to your hotel or apartment and back.
Not the case, however, in the Village. And other BBS plazas out in the burbs. Where take out is often actively encouraged by the pimps.
Whatever the case, talk to the pimps or the girls. Negotiate. The key words are: "Da Bao"? . Take Out.
If you're a foreigner, they'll probably try to rip you off. Generally, if the girl's willing to do take out, it shouldn't be more than an extra 100 RMB on top of regular service (taxi fare not included unless negotiated). No need for tip, unless you really like her. Or really feel sorry for her.
Overnight might cost as much as a trip to a sauna: around 600/700 RMB. But rates vary. Again, you're in China, so negotiate hard.
But from personal experience, I think the key question is actually: do you want this girl by your side for a couple of hours?
BBS girls are young, poor, uneducated girls from god-knows-where. They are very crude. And once taken out of their element. Behave like fish out of water. Or even better, like lost children. Don't be surprised if your girl decides to lock herself in your bathroom for half-an-hour, or refuses to even let you touch her! Outside the cage, they get very, very cagey.
All spoken from personal experience.
Anyways, advice for take out:
1. Bargain hard. Always at least pretend to walk away.
2. Only get a girl who's obviously comfortable with it. Any sign of hesitation on their part. And you're probably wasting a lot of money on what's going to be a pretty lame time. Might want to look for older or sluttier gals.
3. Do it on the premises first. Get to know them somewhat. They'll be much more comfortable doing take out with you the next time you see them.
4. If you live in SH, I suggest finding regulars to frequent. They'll be more than eager to come to your place. Probably for free. These girls are usually bored out of their minds and severely love-starved. Find the right one. And you might just land yourself an awesome sex-bot.
But please, go, explore and report back. Tales from the fringes are the best.
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I'm not living in Shanghai and I'm only there 2-3 times per year for business purposes. So, so far, I have always and ONLY considered the "safe" options, such as massage places, known saunas, karaokes (although never did a take out in shanghai but did in shenzhen) and never dared to enter a BBS. (frankly speaking in previous trips I had never seen one either).
But this time, I did a lot of roaming by taxi and by walk too and so now I definetely know what a BBS is like.
Because the quality of the girls inside was very high. I got kinda tempted, and of course given the cheaper price compared to saunas.
Well, I guess I'll just have to work out the courage to experience on site first of all, it can't be that bad I suppose. Hehehe
Cheers again
I think a lot of my experience was well described in the previous post by SH Expat. However, I just HAD to be able to say I had tried a BBS
Day 3, Tuesday
Work all day, and hard work at that. Then taken to dinner. Sad really in that the company at dinner included three delightful local ladies, any one of whom would have kept me in Heaven for the rest of the evening. However, the self rule has to be "do not play in the company garden" (well, not unless there are some VERY strong come-on indications – and as I get older those have become rare). Fortunately, as seems to be the pattern developing, they deposited me back at my hotel around 8. 30
Perhaps they KNOW what I want to do in the evenings?
Shave & shower then a taxi to Hilton Hotel were the first steps. Why the Hilton? I do not know really, perhaps simply that from there it is easy access by foot to other places of interest.
Since I now knew the exact location having been the day before and found it closed, tonight the plan was to visit ZY pub for a sort of BBS experience. Walking from the Hilton over the elevated road there were the (expected) approaches by a few ladies. I declined politely although in truth if I had been desperate one of them was facially very attractive and I could have been very tempted.
ZY was found easy enough and I could see the girls on the sofa just inside the doorway. No sooner was I in than one girl grabbed my hand and started to tug me towards the back. Hang on, hang on – I’m not daft. I looked for someone who may be the mamasan ie from experience a bit older and wearing a few more clothes. Nobody there fitted that description. How much – full service? I asked, holding an open palm upwards and stroking it with a finger as a symbol I have used in Latin America to ask the same question. It works in China too. A hand with 5 fingers was held up. Shakes head and offers 2, Shakes of head in return and suggestion of 4. With lots of smiles, even laughs at me making rude gestures regarding physical size (and now using a pen and paper for the negotiation) we settled on 250. The girl who had grabbed my hand did not seem over happy with that but I knew I could dispel that later with a tip given at the right time.
I was led down darkish corridors to what can only be described as a cubicle, not a room. That was also dim with just one wall light by the door. I asked for the girl’s name and she did tell me but, sorry, my ancient brain forgets these things too fast these days. She checked I wanted full service then indicated she would "get bag". I undressed and waited. I also listened – NO sounds from anywhere else. Normally you can hear the grunts and squeaks if there is other activity in such an establishment. I am sure I was the only customer at the time (say 9. 15).
The girl came pack and part stripped. No matter how I indicated she would not strip off fully. Sure she had nothing on below apart from stockings but above all she would do was lift her top and bra to expose her (very reasonable) pair of tits. A lot of tattoos were evident. Not a thing I like personally.
All started with a good BBBJ and me providing some DATY in return. That switched to a 69 position equivalent that was perfectly OK although perhaps lacking in enthusiasm on her part.
In my opinion the trouble with dim lighting is that you miss out a lot on inspecting the girls bits – and I find that inspection a good turn on. At the local places back home I always insist on turning up the lights. Once regulars get used to that they do it for me.
Anyway, on with a jacket (one I provided as they are more comfortable) and mish, doggy with lots of anal play investigation until I delivered. There was no holding back. This one was determined to get it over quite quickly. I can’t see why if there were no other customers. Perhaps there was something good on TV.
I guess I was in there 45 mins.
When I came to pay she tried to hike the price back up again but there was no way I would fall for that. OK, I added 50 as a tip to make it a round 300. That is about half what I would pay back home for the same activity time. As I came to the exit THERE was the obvious mamasan ie as stated, a bit older and wearing more clothes. By then there was no point in starting a conversation (if indeed that was possible) so with waves and a few blown kisses at the other girls seated by the door I was off.
Rating?
I can’t really give scores for the girl. First it was almost too dark to see and second you can’t comment on a bod that is not properly uncovered. Performance was OK – but only that, OK
I guess that is typical BBS
Repeat – no, I would not bother. If there was a gang of guys and some partner swapping and a few beers then I believe the whole event could be much more enjoyable. As it is I can say I have been, but little more.
Galinsoga
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On Tong ren there are a few different kind of bars. FL at Judys & Manhattans.
Normal bars like Red Beat & Blue Frog. Then there are the buy me a drink girl
bars where you can not get take out.Go to club l. A. , there you hve all joices. Ask for little horse. She will come with you.
It was a buy me a drink bar.
You can usually tap that buy-me-a-drink ass if you invest a little time. Looks, charm and money will improve your chances and/or accelerate the process. Some of those girls are jailbait though, so watch out... Not to mention the risk of the girls getting you drunk and sticking you with a 5000 RMB check as a going-away present. You could take home half of the WGs at Judy's for that amount.
On another note, has anyone here nailed the dancers at any of these places? I was in Judy's recently, and OMG, one of the dancers was so hot...
OldAsiaHand
11-21-08, 13:47
First thing about BBS: there's usually a foreigner tax.
Sh Expat:
This is an excellent, direct to the point, post on BBS mongering in SH. I have put it up on ROD.
As an exception, in Happy Town, I did not have to pay the foreigner tax, but in virtually every other BBS in SH, they insist on it. Even if I start to walk out of the shop, they let me go. And, I have been with friends quoted local prices as you said. It really pisses me off, but there seems there is nothing that can be done. On the contrary, most BBS in S. China may try to overcharge me, but will not turn away the business if I insist on local pricing.
I reckon the problem is that there are too many laowais in SH that just pay it easily, so the BBS think all should pay regardless. Don't forget the, "All foreigners are rich", mentality.
Just my POV.
OAH
On another note, has anyone here nailed the dancers at any of these places? I was in Judy's recently, and OMG, one of the dancers was so hot...
Yes I got LT out of a dancer in JudysToo earlier this year, but if you speak mandarin I would go for the head waitress there Choo Choo, shes pretty hot but would require a lot of work.
Enjoy I am there very soon might be in the same bar hahaha
Wizard
Yes I got LT out of a dancer in JudysToo earlier this year
Good job, Wiz! I'm inspired! But they look very uppity, which usually implies a lame lay (in my experience at least). Nevertheless, I'll try and chat one up next time.
My personal fantasy is to bang the two singers in the Rendezvous house band. Speaking of which... since when has Xintiandi turned into a wh0re-haven? Maybe I just wasn't tuned into it before, but in any case it's funny to see the juxtaposition of SWs with nighttime tours of geriatric Westerners.
Adventurous Abc
11-21-08, 23:16
I'll be in Shanghai on Christmas Eve (Wednesday night). Trying to decide whether I should book a hotel in Pudong for the saunas or Puxi for MaoMing Lu.
Any guidance from locals who have been to both?
I'm specifically interested in young (18 to early 20s), good looking Chinese girls with large racks. Not sure if it matters any, but I'm Chinese, young and fairly good looking myself (early 20s). Can anyone please give me a better idea of the quality of MaoMing Lu girls vs. sauna girls?
Thank you!
However it can be read in conjunction with the city map (based on Google interactive maps) found in http://www.smartnamecard.com/Pages/map.aspx?oOrgID=176 Now that map is detailed AND shows the locations of many bars, clubs, restaurants and hotels. The Smartnamecard map link should be:
http://www.smartnamecard.com/Pages/map.aspx?OrgID=176
Otherwise thanks for a nice report!
Adventurous ABC : You are young, attractive, and full of yourself, evidently. Why in the world are you doing P4P on Christmas Eve ? It's a party night in Shanghai, and a player like you would be well served going to a club and picking up a freebie. I'm usually in BJ, where it's like NYE, and I am sure it's the same way in SH
Just my 2 cents
Adventurous Abc
11-22-08, 19:08
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to come across as being full of myself. When I said "fairly good looking" I just meant slightly above average, nothing special. I'm certainly not the sort of handsome fella who can pick up models at whim. I should have worded that better, sorry.
Since I'll only have one night in SH, I'm mostly concerned about grabbing the best quality I can without breaking 800 RMB. I've hunted through the Photo Gallery, but it is still hard to figure out how the local girls at the bars compare to the girls at the saunas.
Day 4 (Wednesday)
Well, the ZY BBS experience yesterday was interesting but not totally satisfying. My job in Shanghai involves a lot of standing/ walking and my feet were killing me after that + walking for shopping and entertainment on Monday and Tuesday so I thought "Why not try a delivery service tonight"?
I was relying on my work colleagues getting me back to my hotel by 8. 30 or so as on previous days. I was not wrong. More or less spot on time.
Prior to my visit I had downloaded a load of personal ads/ pics of Craig’s List so I decided to peruse those (again). In back posts on ISG folk have often asked whether Craig’s List is likely to be of any value? Replies have usually been along the lines of "OK, but do not expect to get the girl shown in the picture, and it will be one not nearly so attractive". The other message was that unless you speak some Mandarin it is better to book by text rather than to try to phone direct.
Although my mobile had worked the first few days in Shanghai it seemed to no longer be working – so I simply selected a likely looking advert (one stating clearly 500 RMB max full service) and I used the hotel phone. Number called was 15821085451 (Jackson can delete of that is against rules but it is a published number). To my surprise a very cultured voice answered in near perfect English with just a touch of a US accent. A very pleasant person who promised a delivery within the hour and who confirmed the price as 500 RMB + taxi and the girl would show the taxi receipt.
Shower & tidy up, lock things away etc and wait with anticipation. Spot on the hour a ring at the door – and there was a young lady with a really delightful smile, wavy hair and a pretty face. Not a "stunner" as they say but most attractive. I greeted her with a kiss on both cheeks (my Latin background) and a gentle hug. I think that approach is a bit unusual in China – but it never failed me all week. I had opened a bottle of decent white wine and I offered a glass – accepted. We showered together and then I spent the most blissful 2 or so hours of my life.
The girl was an absolute dream. Full kissing, BBBJ of the highest quality, lots of reverse oral, lots of mutual body exploration and sex every way, with tenderness. We clicked as the expression goes. It does happen. Of course, I speak no Mandarin and she had only a few words of English, but in her bag she had a translation machine and in fact she could understand a lot of what I typed in English without having to activate the translation mode. So, we could communicate.
I took some photos (with a promise of no publication – sorry guys, I keep promises). OK, we were both a bit influenced by the wine and it was late and I was most reluctant to let her go and she said did not really want to go – but I had work the next day so I obtained her personal mobile number with a promise to call before I left Shanghai. Then we said a long but regretful byeee at the doorway.
Rating – I am biased. I have to admit I am totally biased Face – 7. Not a stunner but very pretty Bod – 9. Rarely have I seen better (at such close quarters). Soft and full without any excess. Temperament/ attitude – 11. SUCH a nice person. Performance – 9. And I am being mean there. In reality I could not have asked for more Repeat – 100%. By the time she had left I had already decided I would see her again
Wow. What a day. An in-call I can only describe as wonderful. I do not ever want to go home
So friends, never despise Craig’s List. It turned up trumps for me.
Galinsoga
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El Frances
11-22-08, 22:22
I'll be in Shanghai on Christmas Eve (Wednesday night). Trying to decide whether I should book a hotel in Pudong for the saunas or Puxi for MaoMing Lu.
Any guidance from locals who have been to both?
I'm specifically interested in young (18 to early 20s), good looking Chinese girls with large racks. Not sure if it matters any, but I'm Chinese, young and fairly good looking myself (early 20s). Can anyone please give me a better idea of the quality of MaoMing Lu girls vs. sauna girls?
Thank you!
From my experience 2 weeks ago, Maoming Lu is dead. Most bars have been closed.
Adventurous Abc
11-23-08, 00:05
From my experience 2 weeks ago, Maoming Lu is dead. Most bars have been closed.Ouch! How about TRL? Reviews on the board seem to be mixed. Some people advocate staying away as the probability of getting scammed on TRL is high, and some people still rave about the bars on TRL such as Judys and Manhattan.
I'm fast figuring that one out. Seems about 95 percent of the girls go zero to marriage in about 1 date. I'm no freakonomicist, but if you add it up, I think its cheaper just going the anonymous route at saunas, BBSs or picking up SWs. If you drop 500 RMB per session on average, it has to be cheaper than the cost/risk of the alternative.
There is also the other route of getting the "Office Girl" in a compromising position and leaking it on the net. The Shanghai Daily had a interestingly candid story today about the "Shanghai Orient Kappa Girl". Google that to see what can be done to ruin a Chinese girl's life.My experience with these situations were always bad. I met a girl once on AFF or CFF now and had coffee at Starbucks. Well, she suggested we go hit golf balls. I sadi fine and would up buying her a $600 pair of golf shoes. Oh well, no biggie. Then she suggested that we go shopping, hmmmmmmmmm. Well shopping brought up another suggestion of buying her a new MP3 player. See where this is going. at this time, I hadnt even gotten a kiss yet. Anyway, long story short, the date ended there. I cut my losses quickly. Another more LT dating situation was differant where I stayed at her apt in Pudong, was talking about marraige etc..
PC out
Day 4 (Wednesday)
Well, the ZY BBS experience yesterday was interesting but not totally satisfying. My job in Shanghai involves a lot of standing/ walking and my feet were killing me after that + walking for shopping and entertainment on Monday and Tuesday so I thought "Why not try a delivery service tonight"?
I was relying on my work colleagues getting me back to my hotel by 8. 30 or so as on previous days. I was not wrong. More or less spot on time.
Prior to my visit I had downloaded a load of personal ads/ pics of Craig’s List so I decided to peruse those (again). In back posts on ISG folk have often asked whether Craig’s List is likely to be of any value? Replies have usually been along the lines of "OK, but do not expect to get the girl shown in the picture, and it will be one not nearly so attractive". The other message was that unless you speak some Mandarin it is better to book by text rather than to try to phone direct.
Although my mobile had worked the first few days in Shanghai it seemed to no longer be working – so I simply selected a likely looking advert (one stating clearly 500 RMB max full service) and I used the hotel phone. Number called was 15821085451 (Jackson can delete of that is against rules but it is a published number). To my surprise a very cultured voice answered in near perfect English with just a touch of a US accent. A very pleasant person who promised a delivery within the hour and who confirmed the price as 500 RMB + taxi and the girl would show the taxi receipt.
Shower & tidy up, lock things away etc and wait with anticipation. Spot on the hour a ring at the door – and there was a young lady with a really delightful smile, wavy hair and a pretty face. Not a "stunner" as they say but most attractive. I greeted her with a kiss on both cheeks (my Latin background) and a gentle hug. I think that approach is a bit unusual in China – but it never failed me all week. I had opened a bottle of decent white wine and I offered a glass – accepted. We showered together and then I spent the most blissful 2 or so hours of my life.
The girl was an absolute dream. Full kissing, BBBJ of the highest quality, lots of reverse oral, lots of mutual body exploration and sex every way, with tenderness. We clicked as the expression goes. It does happen. Of course, I speak no Mandarin and she had only a few words of English, but in her bag she had a translation machine and in fact she could understand a lot of what I typed in English without having to activate the translation mode. So, we could communicate.
I took some photos (with a promise of no publication – sorry guys, I keep promises). OK, we were both a bit influenced by the wine and it was late and I was most reluctant to let her go and she said did not really want to go – but I had work the next day so I obtained her personal mobile number with a promise to call before I left Shanghai. Then we said a long but regretful byeee at the doorway.
Rating – I am biased. I have to admit I am totally biased Face – 7. Not a stunner but very pretty Bod – 9. Rarely have I seen better (at such close quarters). Soft and full without any excess. Temperament/ attitude – 11. SUCH a nice person. Performance – 9. And I am being mean there. In reality I could not have asked for more Repeat – 100%. By the time she had left I had already decided I would see her again
Wow. What a day. An in-call I can only describe as wonderful. I do not ever want to go home
So friends, never despise Craig’s List. It turned up trumps for me.
Galinsoga
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Happy hunting.
P.S. I was just in Tijuana this week, the WG was average at best and the service was below par comparing to China. Oh you luck guys in China.
World Guy Sh
11-23-08, 04:53
My experience with these situations were always bad. I met a girl once on AFF or CFF now and had coffee at Starbucks. Well, she suggested we go hit golf balls. I sadi fine and would up buying her a $600 pair of golf shoes. Oh well, no biggie. Then she suggested that we go shopping, hmmmmmmmmm. Well shopping brought up another suggestion of buying her a new MP3 player. See where this is going. at this time, I hadnt even gotten a kiss yet. Anyway, long story short, the date ended there. I cut my losses quickly. Another more LT dating situation was differant where I stayed at her apt in Pudong, was talking about marraige etc..
PC outLong time no post. .
Freebee's. They can be a huge amount of fun. Some can be genuinely free, others can, well, cost a fortune. My last was the latter. She never lifted her finger to pay. In the end sex was costing the same with her as going to TRL for LT. Ouch.
My experience: The more Chinese you speak, the better your chances. Even witht he ones who are fluent in English. Sometimes you strike it lucky and you can meet a girl and have her back at your place (or wherever) on the same night. Others take HUGE amounts of work.
I certainly would not expect to walk into a bar / club and out with a girl on your arm in 60 mins. Get yourself a table, get a bottle of whisky and some green tea and be sociable. Also, go with someone. You don't look quite so obviously 'on the pull'. Again, my experience suggests obviously going after girls pushes them away. Of course there are those that are into the no strongs stuff as we are. Where to go: Babyface, G+, Muse/M2/M at Park 97, Lounge 18, Bar Rouge, (possibly Velvet), M Factory. NONE of these are on TRL. Choose one, go for the night. Around 2am (no earlier) head to Windows Too at Jing An. Wandering Xin Tian Di can also be worthwhile. If you are confident (as a friend proved last week) eye contact can rapidly become a tel number. We're still waiting to see if she was P4P!
If you are in town longer: You can turn sauna / BBS girls into freebees. When they do this for work, they sometimes just seem to want a bit of genuine out of routine sex. I have found these girls are more likely to be genuinely free. Some do go from sex to marriage in one small (or is that large) step. BUt others. Well, they can just be a great tumble! Again, my experince: This will only happen if you 'click'. If they think you are passing through town they are less likely to become free (so make out you live or have just moved here). A repeat purchase often improves the chances (you obviously like THEM) and builds a better rapport.
Anyway, that's my 2 fen's worth! As always, YMMV
WGS
World Guy Sh
11-23-08, 05:09
Guys
OK, no post in ages, then two together.
Wow, this thread in recent months has become something of a sauna fest. Man, I can feel the steam sitting here as I type!
Shanghai has loads of other stuff as well (see recent notes on Freebees). One of them is a GREAT KTV scene.
WGS just loves KTV's. So do a few of the other guys who live in this great little town. Between us we know several pretty good KTV places and we are keen to share this with others (hell, they are no secret, just look at those flashing lights! ) Just that the more in the group the more fun you have.
Now, we are not talking about the ones where the girls just come and sit with you and at the end of the evening it is '? '. We are talking about the ones where you play more than dice games, the girls get naked and there is very little singing done. OK, so this is NOT CP but it is darn good fun.
We normaly split the room, hostess and mommy fee between us, and then each tip our own girl. In most places you can then negotiate to take the girl home. Some places the fee is fixed. In others. You get as good as you bargain. You can usually include the sitting fee. Personally, I have never done this.
My current favourite place came in as follows:
2080 room, 400 Mommy, 200 Hostess. Divided by 5 was a little over 500 each. That included 2 bottles of whisky and tea. The bigger rooms get proportionally cheaper (I. E. A room for ten people is not double the price excepting the amount of whisky! ), repeat visits have got us discounts.
So, we're proposing a nice little evening sometime in the next couple of weeks. Interested parties, PM me and we can work something out. However, I do ask that you be a senior member and have a decent number of posts. You know why.
WGS
I'll be in Shanghai on Christmas Eve (Wednesday night). Trying to decide whether I should book a hotel in Pudong for the saunas or Puxi for MaoMing Lu.
Any guidance from locals who have been to both?
I'm specifically interested in young (18 to early 20s), good looking Chinese girls with large racks. Not sure if it matters any, but I'm Chinese, young and fairly good looking myself (early 20s). Can anyone please give me a better idea of the quality of MaoMing Lu girls vs. sauna girls?
Thank you!Maoming Lu is closed, bar scene is now Tong Ren Lu.
Here you find what you want.
My recommendation is Club L.A. with nice girls, pool table and reasonable prices for drinks. Say hello to the people there from me.
I originally posted #570 in my post, but it was actually #590.
Sorry if i screwed anyone up.
Fitz
A couple of weekends ago I stayed in Shanghai.
Hotel: Courtyard Marriott in Pudong new area.
Directions to Sacrosa from Hotel: Go out main lobby and turn right. Go to third redlight and turn right. After going under an intersection, you will see two malls on the right. In between these two malls you will see the SteakKing. Entrance is between the SteakKing and UBS coffee. Go inside to first elevator on the right and go to 5th floor. This opens up to Sacrosa.
Friday visit: Arrived at 4pm. After shower and waiting in TV room for 10 minutes I was presented with about 15 girls. I chose #505. This girl has to be the pretties girl I have ever been with. Perfect skin tone, not one blemish, great small C tits and perfect ass. She started out by cleaning my co**, balls, hands and ears with wipes. After this I thought I would be in for a great GF experience. She then started with the catbath of the back. I don't know why anyone would like this. I don't and I expressed that I was not interested. I rolled over and she knew wait I wanted and she started BBBJ. Best BBBJ I have ever experienced. I tried to explain I was about to explode and she pulled off briefly, just enough to take the first shot up her nose and the second shot went over my shoulder. She quickly got back on and DT'd. I was in heaven. I hadn't shot like that for many years. After cleaning up and a brief back massage, I rolled over and she was surprized to see jr hard and ready for round two. I pulled out a trojan out of my small bag and she put it on and started out in CG. After CG and doggie, she did reverse CG. With that perfect ass bouncing up and down I didn't last long. Only negative about 505 was that she did not allow much touching at all, no tits, no puss,....
#505 Summary
Looks: 10
Tits: 9.5
Attitude: 9.5
GFE: 2
Repeatable: Yes
Saturday: Called to request the famous #570. They said to arrive at 2pm. Upon arrival I was told she would be 30 minutes later. I asked for a lineup and was presented with 5 girls. None interested me, so I waited. I'm very glad I waited. # 570 is a girl with perfect tits. Very GFE. BBBJ, 2 shots. Great experience.
#570 Summary
Looks: 9.5
Tits: 10
Attitude: 9.5
GFE: 8.5
Repeatable: Oh Yes
Sunday: Arrived at 11am. Presented with 5 girls, chose # 512. Good experience. Again 2 shots. This girl did not want me to leave before my 70 minutes was up. Not sure if they get fined or what, but I really wanted to leave, but she did give second BBBJ, but I was too tired for a third pop.
#512 Summary
Looks: 8
Tits: 7.5
Attitude: 8.5
GFE: 5
Repeatable: Probably not
Tip for Shanghai Mongers: Stay away from Tongren Lu, Craigslist and streetgirls. They are too risky for STD's, ripoffs and disappointments. If you stick with a sauna like Sacrosa, you know what you will be getting. Great value for the money and service is great. The girls are there to serve you. Just my honest opinion.
With todays economy, I'm not sure when I'll be back in China, but I will sure miss China.
Fitz
Vista Sushi
11-24-08, 15:47
My experience with these situations were always bad. I met a girl once on AFF or CFF now and had coffee at Starbucks. Well, she suggested we go hit golf balls. I sadi fine and would up buying her a $600 pair of golf shoes. Oh well, no biggie. Then she suggested that we go shopping, hmmmmmmmmm. Well shopping brought up another suggestion of buying her a new MP3 player. See where this is going. at this time, I hadnt even gotten a kiss yet. Anyway, long story short, the date ended there. I cut my losses quickly. Another more LT dating situation was differant where I stayed at her apt in Pudong, was talking about marraige etc..
PC outI've had a *little* better luck. Meaning, I haven't bought them anything but dinner. It has come to the point where I could turn one girl into a freebie with benefits, but have decided that the mess it would create is far worse then the benefits.
One thing I've found with Chinese girls is that 1) they all have a plan and 2) that plan includes marriage. I think that goes from the working girls to the office girls. China is really a marriage obsessed society. The way to go may be to find a girl in her early 30s late 20s that is divorced. Needle in a haystack.
Vista Sushi
11-24-08, 16:03
Since I'll only have one night in SH, I'm mostly concerned about grabbing the best quality I can without breaking 800 RMB. I've hunted through the Photo Gallery, but it is still hard to figure out how the local girls at the bars compare to the girls at the saunas.I think you will get similar quality in the looks. But, with 800 RMB, you will 100 percent score at a Suana. And you'll walk away with money in your pocket. The Sauna girl will be a pro and there to serve you.
Not to say the bar scene is bad. But it is really 50/50. You may get an amateur and end up with a lousy experience. You may end up with a semi-pro that turns out to be awesome. That's just my advice.
And since you are a younger guy like myself, expect some good service at the Saunas. It seems that the Sauna girls like it when younger guys come along. At least my experiences, (which I will post soon) have been pretty great in the GFE experience. All have ended up with phone numbers. Without asking. So, you may be able to continue the experience when she gets off work.
Vista Sushi
11-24-08, 18:05
Address
5/F 439 Cao Xi Road (N), Shanghai
Corner of Nandan and Cao Xi, in Jianguo Hotel
It looks like there are a lot of posts about Sacrosa, which looks too good to pass up. Until I make it over to Pudong for an afternoon, I’ll have to visit the Puxi Saunas.
The hotel is owned by the Jin Jiang group, which owns the Shanghai Hotel. I thought there might be a connection there with the Saunas. So, I headed in. Within seconds I was signed up for a ‘Special Massage. ’ Not to say that this is true of all Jin Jiang hotels, but if there is one around I’d bet that you could get a FS Sauna experience.
I took a shower, lounged for a bit in the hot tub. I was called in a few minutes, robed up, and heading to a room. I was very hopeful that the attendant lady was going to be my gal. She was tall and wore a thong, which I could see through her pants. Thongs, as it turns out, are rare in China. Don’t know why, but I rarely see them. If anybody knows why, I’d like to know.
The attendant dropped me in the room with a Sprite. The room was nice enough. Had two chase lounge chairs and a flat screen TV.combined the chairs made about a double bed. The room was clean enough but smelled like cigarette smoke. Not a big fan of cigarette smoke, but its something you get used to in China. Overall it was clean and well taken care of. This was my first Sauna experience, so I can’t compare rooms. Once I get to Sacrosa I can start ranking them.
There was no lineup but it didn’t matter. The girl they brought in was more than adequate. I’d rank her looks at high 8. She spoke no English. And I speak no Chinese. Although, she is giving me some motivation to learn the language.
I lay down and she starts. Takes me a while to figure out what is going on. But to my pleasant surprise she has a nice rack. Asian shape is a bit different from Western Girls, but they are on the low-C/high-B side. And she is rubbing them all along my body. Doesn’t take long before I’m at full attention, flipped on my back and enjoying the whole thing. Next she moves onto sucking my various body parts with warm water in her mouth. Very full attention at this point. Finally, she makes it to a wonderful BBBJ.
Then she puts on the raincoat and hops on me. Word about raincoats. It didn’t dawn on me, but a previous post mentioned that they are smaller for Asian guys. It clicked this time around. The little guy was being strangled! Next time I’ll bring my own. So she hops on top and was just holding me, not moving. Kind of odd. Maybe she was doing something but I couldn't feel with the condom. Odd. She wasn’t moving much but was making theatrical sounds like she was getting off. I guess I will never know. .
So finally, she loosens her grip and I get her mish. I do that for a few moments. I can’t feel much with the little condom. I put her on her stomach and start in doggy, start feeling something and I pop. We cuddle for some time. She tries to communicate, and I get her name Xiao Lu, and number, and she gets mine. She starts getting really frustrated that we can’t communicate. I guess she wants to come to my room after. I get her to do another wonderful BBBJ while I play around with her. She lets me touch her everywhere, but didn’t like when I started to touch her sensitive clit. I start thinking maybe she did actually cum earlier. Haha. I will never know.
Age: 19
Looks: 8.5
Tits: 9
Attitude: 9
GFE: 10
Repeatable: Hell Yes
Cost: 700 RMB (2 hours negotiated)
After I leave, I get a SMS from her. I could be talking to a brick wall. That’s as much as was getting across. But, I now have some great motivation to learn Chinese (or get a electronic translator).
day 5 – thursday
those of you who have been following the saga of my week in shanghai may remember that on day 1 part 2 i tried hard to find jjs sauna at 209 wulumuqui – and failed
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=814619&postcount=4171
subsequent pms (since i have returned) have revealed that i was walking the wrong way along wulumuqui. i was walking from the shanghai hotel area towards fuxing lu and i should have been walking towards and under the elevated road. ah well, another time perhaps.
what i do remember from a post praising jjs was that it was next to a big bank and opposite a big illuminated spa sign. well, on day 4/ wednesday of my visit colleagues had taken me to an indian restaurant – vedas at jianguo west rd (excellent food). that place is very near the junction with wulumuqui and what did i see as we approached – a big bank with a place opposite having a large illuminated spa sign. great i think (quite incorrectly – it is miles from jjs) this is only around the corner from my hotel i can get there tomorrow in 10 mins on foot. oh the innocence of such a thought.
thursday evening 8 pm after the usual dinner with the company i set out to find the place i had seen the night before. not a big problem – except that there was no sign of anything resembling a sauna adjacent to the bank. so, i wandered up wulumuqui a bit – even though the road is quite dark. nothing, so i walk back. then i try a few roads off the junction, and then, and then – i’m lost. oh fun. because it is dark and i have no landmarks i am quite lost. i start laughing to myself. finally i find a main road and head in what i think is the correct direction – nobody told me to bring a compass to shanghai!
turns out i am walking east along zhaojiabang rd! i realize this when i identify the pearl hotel, about turn and once i pass the good hope hotel i know roughly where i am. it still took another 30 minutes to get back to my hotel – an urgent 30 mins because by now i am bursting for a [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134).
so, 90 minutes wasted. dash to my hotel room for a [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) and then down for a taxi to the shanghai hotel. i’m not messing around now. i need action quick.
the first time i went to shanghai hotel it was early afternoon on sunday and the place was very empty. 10pm on thursday and it was very busy. almost all the customers were chinese. i opted for the body scrub again because it costs little and probably is good to get rid of all the skin junk. however, i passed on the manicure and pedicure and after a brief rest for a drink of water i went to inspect the girls. being me (extrovert in the extreme) i asked if anyone spoke any english and wanted a big one – indicating parts of my anatomy. giggles all around. one girl (no 12) had a lovely big smile and a twinkle in her eye so i held out a hand and off we went.
she had no real english other than "i like big dick" and to tell me she was 22. great girl she was – rude and naughty, just how i like it. when she went on the red rope i improvised and stood up on the couch to give her fanny a damned good lick which she was upside down doing the bbbj. nice experience. highly recommended. probably against some damned health and safety regulation in case i fall off the couch. despite a full mouth she was giving lots of squeaks which i think were enjoyment – sure had a grin when we regained the horizontal position. another twist (if you will pardon the pun) was to lay her on her side with one leg up and with her ankle held twisted in the red-rope. and then to take her from behind. i liked that and so did she. at one other point she lay across the couch with legs wide and i stood on the floor to give her a real good going. the result of that was a big fanny fart that had us both rolling on the couch with laughter. super time.
we sort of chatted for a bit after. that was when i asked how old she was and i told her my age. she did not believe the latter – showing me that it took both her (little) hands to hold my tool and that at such an age a chinese person would be, shall we say a lot smaller. she indicated that in a lovely vulgar way with a wiggle of her little finger.
what a nice way to end the day. a modest tip (50) slipped into her knickers and then a shower for me and a taxi back to the hotel. it was well after midnight by then and i had a business breakfast meeting at 7 so i pushed the thought of phoning for an in-call well to the back of my mind, promising it for the next evening – with that lovely girl seen on day 4.
what a wonderful life
galinsoga
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World Guy Sh
11-25-08, 14:26
After I leave, I get a SMS from her. I could be talking to a brick wall. That’s as much as was getting across. But, I now have some great motivation to learn Chinese (or get a electronic translator).Link your phone to yur pc or forward the text by email. Then post here:
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_txt
or here
http://translate.google.com/translate_t#
They are far from perfect but better than nothing.
WGS
Directions as posted in an earlier report
Jiangning Road runs north of Nanjing West Road between CITIC and Plaza 66.
Here is the route. Turn north off Nanjing West Road into Jiangning Road. Stay on the left hand or western side footpath. You cross Beijing Road then Xinzha Road.
At the Wuding Road intersection, there is a Lawsons on the corner. Cross the road staying on Jiangning Road.
At the end of the footpath, there are 4 or 5 stairs leading to some double glass doors.
Went through and took off shoes before led to a locker room. Got changed and went up to third floor. Led to a room with a bed and surrounded by mirrors. Its a bit run down but I wasn't expecting much.
They bring a girl to me for approval and she looked pretty good. So I approved. She came back and went through the usual licking, BJ and then sex in several positions. One pop and then its time to go. Sorry I didn't catch her name. She is from Fujian and has a nice tatoo in the lower portion of her back if it helps.
For 450 it seems that its not a bad price. I just didn't really click with the girl. Perhaps I need to try another girl, but I don't get the impression that the girls are encouraged to get repeat customers. For another couple of hundred it seems to be much better to go to SH or Zhongtian. Select girls from fishbowl, several PSE since I have tried them, facilities cleaner and nice, longer sessions and multi pops.
But if I want a quickie for decent price and good looking girl I would try this place out again.
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Directions as stated in an earlier report
Take the No. 2 to Jiangsu Rd. Station. Walk SOUTH one block to Xuanhua Rd. Turn right. The first BBS on the right-hand side of the road.
Walked a bit down the road but found it as per directions.
There were about 8 girls sitting around when I stepped in. Nobody stood out as particularly attractive but they seemed to be happy to see me (met my expectations for a place like this) I figured I could knock out a quickie.
Went upstairs into a cramped space with several areas seperated by curtains. Proceeded to undress and lay down. Then my girl steps away. She's back in a minute another girl to offer a 3 some. Normally I would have passed, but this girl was amazing. Definitely one of the hottest girls I have seen here and I can't believe she is in a BBS. They both massage me for a few minutes and then ask me to flip.
After the flip, they lick me up and down and suck all over. The hot girl grabs my hand to grope her more and finger her. She had a devilish smile and really was getting me going. The first girl jumped on my chest and got her tongue in my ear and nibbling. Hot girl attacked my cock and I came hard.
I missed their names, but they appear to be friends that came from Wuhan.
We hung around and chatted for a while and I went down to pay. It ended up being 600 for the pair. I hope I can go back and get one on one with hot girl but if I have to take the pair its ok. Its too bad that they hide the hot girl upstairs.
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Traveler1234
11-25-08, 17:26
From a very well respected forum for frequent travelers, etc. Poor guys feel they've been violated - maybe those who are now in shanghai can go to their rescue...LOL
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?p=10810023#post10810023
I've read and re-read the forum, and expect to have a busy week without much wasted time; thanks. But there is little information about escort or outcall massage agencies; most of the discussions revolve around SH and JJs and other fantasylands, and I tend to prefer hotel visits (but will try everything once). I do see Charlie's Angels recommended for an escort/massage agency; any others? In my research (yes, this is a project) I've found this girl www.sues0607. Escortsite.com (sues 0607 from Craigslist) has anyone got any feedback on her? I've exchanged emails, but wish there were a review of some sort. Otherwise, I'll report once I've had the pleasure.
One more question. I notice the (outcall) prices for oil or full body massages might be around 300 rmb/2 hours; I believe this won't include extras, and will be accompanied by an upsell. But there usually are also listed things like Top Massage, Romantic Massage, and other names, carrying a price of 800 rmb. There should be a thread defining what these actually mean.
Link your phone to yur pc or forward the text by email. Then post here:
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_txt
or here
http://translate.google.com/translate_t#
They are far from perfect but better than nothing.
WGSAdvice using on-line translations. After obtaining a translation of your masterpiece into Chinese always BACK translate into your own language. If the result is linguistic nonsense then start again. General good advice is to write in very short sentences and so far as possible to stay with the present tense.
Having said that some advice please from them that know these things. It is all very well to compose in say English and then to get a near perfect translation into Chinese. If I had Email contact with the lady I have in mind that would then be an easy cut & paste. But how the heck do I generate and send such Chinese script in a phone text?
The answer is probably and easy. "you can't". But I have to ask.
Galinsoga
From a very well respected forum for frequent travelers, etc. Poor guys feel they've been violated - maybe those who are now in shanghai can go to their rescue...LOL
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?p=10810023#post10810023
Its quite funny and there would not be a 4 or 5 star hotel in China where you would not be accosted by a papasan in the driveway....
Hope he has fun, or maybe hes complaning becuse there was a Ms in the room.
Wizard
Having said that some advice please from them that know these things. It is all very well to compose in say English and then to get a near perfect translation into Chinese. If I had Email contact with the lady I have in mind that would then be an easy cut & paste. But how the heck do I generate and send such Chinese script in a phone text?
The answer is probably and easy. "you can't". But I have to ask.
GalinsogaGalinsoga: good question (and great reports in the SH thread).
There are a number of things that need to "fall into place". The first question is: are you using a cell phone that had provision for Chinese characters? If not, then you can't send and receive Chinese writing (characters).
If it does, then it will probably also have provision for "pinyin to Chinese", so I suggest that you start practicing by converting pinyin (including the tones) to Chinese characters. A number of Chinese language sites will do that for you. PM me for URLs if you have trouble getting started.
However, that is not the end of the world, if you don't. You and she can communicate using pinyin. Remember to add the tones at the end of each syllable, and that will make communication less stressful and more intelligible. Sure, learning pinyin takes a bit of time, but it is worth it.
If she doesn't know pinyin, or only a little, then your "little head" will be a powerful motivator to learn pinyin and Chinese writing. (I speak from experience.)
And remember: all the practice, study and homework that you do will make your next visit EVEN MORE PLEASURABLE. If that is possible.
More power to your arm etc.
P13
World Guy Sh
11-26-08, 14:19
But how the heck do I generate and send such Chinese script in a phone text?
The answer is probably and easy. "you can't". But I have to ask.
GalinsogaIf you have a Nokia (at least) you can. Again, it involves the translation software, and as you rightly point out, it does not always work (I have a combination of other sites to use and cross check with if I need to. PM me if you are really keen! )
Plug your phone into the PC. Translate what you want to say and copy and paste it into the send facility of the software (in the text message area). Hit send. Down the USB to the phone and out into the ether. But not much use if you are on the go.
An alternative is to use a Chinese phone with pinyin and convert to charcters, but you need to know what you are looking for (genuinely comes with time).
Bare in mind, not all Chinese know pinyin.
Anyway, well off the SH topic. .
WGS
Was back in Shanghai again, this time for several days (not all in a row)
Tried to get hold of Lisa for some outcall, but she did not answer the message or phone.
Headed over to JJ's and picked #65. Good service, nice soapy, but she was not eager to take all of me in once we got in bed. Eventually, she spread open and we both enjoyed.
After that, I headed over to Malone's. Lucked out, as they were having their 14 anniversary party (they do this each year), and for invited guest, you get in, and all booze is free up to 10pm. They ended up leaving the bar free until about 11pm. Place was packed, good evening to run into old friends there.
Headed over to Manhattan after that, to take a look but did not see anything. And I had a little too much to drink anyways.
Next day, I went to the sauna near the Maxdor shopping plaza. Forgot the name. When I was walking in, a cute young thing was showing up for work. We chatted as we walked down the stairs together. Ended up taking her from the line up. Great boobs, and she enjoyed having them sucked. As she was washing me on the chair, I started to suck on them, and I felt her legs go weak. She had two cups of the soapy solution that she brought with her, and did not use the one that was in the room. As she was giving me the body to body soapy, she started to give me a BJ. Great technique and with the soap and all, a good experience. I think the soap was some type of eatable type because I again sucked on her breast that were still soapy and did not taste the soap. Got into the bed for a massage, but she quickly rolled me over and went to work with another BJ. Not too long and the condom was on. When she came, she shouted "oh shit". We relaxed some, and she made a move, to wake me up again, and quickly another condom was on. Not to long before I heard moaning, "I love, you, I love you, then Oh Shit". This time I came too. Great experience. She did not have a number, but wore her hair up, and it was frizzed a little. Highly recommended.
Was out of town a few days, then returned, and hit Malones again. It was late, maybe midnight. Sat back from the stage, and started talking with a girl there. Lisa. She said she comes there about 1 time a week. We ended up going back to my hotel for 500. Nice body, so so face. Started in the shower together. And had a nice two rounds. She left after a couple hours which was fine with me.
Next night, started at Malones, (this was Friday) and stayed till the band ended at 2. Then went out with the guys in the band over to a place on Tongren Lu. Not sure the name. Shot some pool, and it was about 3:30 when I left. "Bumped" into a girl on the street there. Who was desperate, as she asked me if I wanted a massage. And sex, 200 rmb. I hesitated, and she said anal too for 100 more. That got my attention, and we headed back to the Hilton. Great body, better than I thought, as we showered together. Her ass was tight, and I had a hard time getting two fingers in, but managed to open her up some, then a nice round. Did not last too long, as she was so tight, and I was tired. Gave her the 300, and got her number.
Left SH for a day, then came back the next. Went back to JJ's hopeing to find another girl, but 65 was there again and the best in the line up. Again a good session, a little more relaxed as she remembered me.
That night started at Malones, then left a little early and stopped in Manhattan's. Two nice Filipino girls caught my eye, and we started talking. They said this was their first day in SH. And I did not beleive. And they both offered to show me their passport. Sure enough, just arrived. They were desperate, as they had to make some money to pay their rent, and then had to pay "someone" money for their air ticket. Planned to stay one month. Ended up taking the one, that seemed to be very shy. Figured it would be fun with a "newbie" and it was. She was a little shy, but when I treated her nicely, she warmed up. Nice shower together, great breast. She said all the other girls were jealous of her, as she had big natural breast. Her face was nice, but her complexion was not real good. Her body made up for that, and she was not a rookie in the sack. Went two rounds, and she wanted to leave. I wanted her to stay, but then when I looked at the clock, it was already 6:15 am! She had asked for 800, we settled on 600, but I ended up giving her 700, as she was real sweet, and seemed sincere. Bother girls did not have their own phone yet, but gave me numbers of friends that could contact them if I am back before they leave. Would like to try the other one neext time, or maybe both together.
Whew. Slept a few hours then went out for a legit massage, before I boarded my 13 hr flight back home.
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Day 6 (Friday) – the last day.
I was up early on this day for a "breakfast debrief" with the host company. I have to say they have been superb during my visit here. After the debrief the rest of the morning was spent packing ready for a very early morning departure on the Saturday. Having already acquired some goodies to take back for family and friends and knowing there was another shopping expedition planned for early afternoon it was obvious that there would be problems with the packing.
Around mid-day the promised company car and driver turned up to take me shopping. The target was (if I read it correctly from the card) Hong Qiao Da Tong Yang Market in Jinhui Road, Minhang. Not a big place and most of the small shops seem to sell the same thing ie bags, watches, purses, wallets, pens, belts etc all with various well known names, which if real would fetch very considerably higher prices than those asked.
Not that you pay what is asked of course – and that was the advantage of having a local Chinese driver. Starting point seemed to be around 25% max or what was asked with huffs and walk away to another (near identical) shop if at the end you were still being asked more than 33% of the original. I LIKE negotiating and could see the pseudo drama involved between the driver and shopkeeper. Seemed ‘heated’ at times but you just knew both parties understood each other. OK, I bought the usual stuff to bribe the ladies back home and then went for another bag in which to carry it all.
The lady in the "cases" shop spoke some English so I was able to participate in the bargaining to some extent. We were both laughing while we bargained – again a reflection of both parties knowing the stance to take and how far to push. In the end it was a good price for me and I gave the lady a hug (I’m like that) and squeezed her bum as I did so (I’m like that as well). The response was a very responsive push forward of her hips. Oo err – if the driver had not been with me I think we could have been in the stock room before long.
The "Samsonite" label on the case looks nice and I have to say it is very well made and will serve me for a good few years.
After that it was a trip to the Bund for some sightseeing, a (very) late lunch and the deposited back at the hotel by 6. Great – lots of time to organise a long evening.
As the Bard (or someone) said "The best laid plans of mice and men. "
I phoned the private mobile number of the really lovely girl I had seen on Wednesday. No reply. Had a beer and finished my packing (again) then tried the number again. No reply. Wait a bit and try again. No reply.
OK, so I phone the Agency number 15821085451 and ask if he can contact her and send her to my hotel? Remember, this guy speaks excellent English. No, he has apparently been trying to contact her (as have I) but with no success. He says he will try again and send her if he can make contact, or he will select another girl. Either way he indicates someone will be there in about an hour.
OK, 50 minutes later there is a ring at the door, and outside is a completely different girl. Aw shucks – never mind, perhaps this one will be just as good.
Quite small, quite young, reasonably pretty and very beddable. She had NO knowledge of English at all but she obviously knew the drill. We showered together and dried each other off etc and made for the bed. I have to say the nice big bed in the hotel was very good. Since I was in absolutely no rush I took things gently with lots of foreplay and caresses – which usually generates a better response in the long run. Nibbles at the ears and nipples, soft caresses etc – but there was no response. In all my years I have always managed to get some response!
She wanted to get a condom on real quick – no BBBJ. That was a turn off for a start. Then – No DATY and no finger insertions etc. Oh dear! Ok, lets give her a good stuff and see how that develops. Honest, it was like shagging a sack of potatoes. Response = zero.
I had just made up my mind to chuck her out when my mobile rang – it was the girl I had seen on Wednesday. She had picked up my "missed call" messages and knew that I had promised to try to see her again before I left China. Struggling with English she asked "I come"? You betcha – come NOW I said. Well, she came more quickly than I expected (I am guessing she was outside my hotel) and the first girl was still there, indeed she was still in my bed and I still had a big hard on. THAT caused great amusement to the girl arriving who simply indicated for me to get on with things while she went for a shower. Since they work for the same Agency they knew each they had a bit of a conversation (I would LOVE to know what they said). Whatever, I paid off the first girl and off she went, and I went for a good hot shower.
The girl who had arrived joined me and the next move was to take hold of her in the shower and give her a very deep but tender kiss with tongue and all. She responded like I have not known for a long time. I just knew there was something "different" about this girl when I had seen her on Wednesday. Off to the bed and for a very passionate few hours. She really is a dream and fully responsive in every way.
Came midnight and I was aware that I had to be up at 5am for the car to the airport. I asked if she wanted to leave because it may be difficult for her to get a taxi at 5 am, and with a snuggle she said "I wish stay". That was it. She stayed until the alarm went off. In those extra hours of loving and sleeping with fondles and caresses, we developed a rapport that went beyond all expectations. Perhaps the ladies from Haerbin (her home city) compensate for their cold climate with warm hearts. This one most certainly did. As we held each other knowing the time for parting was approaching there were some tears – ok, guys mine as well. As the saying goes we had ‘clicked’ and found something neither of us had expected.
The parting was painful emotionally. She did not want any money, but I made her take all I had apart from some for a coffee at the airport because I was not going to use it anyway and I knew I would never be bothered to change it back to my own currency.
We are still in touch by text. It is difficult with the language difference but we cope. I miss her like Hell. She had some sort of argument with the boss of the Agency through which I had first contacted her and no longer works for him.
I will get back to Shanghai (or Haerbin if necessary) – somehow. She knows it may be a year or more or indeed may never happen, but I will try.
Thanks for reading guys. I hope my experiences have made interesting reading
Galinsoga
(with luck off to Sampa, Brazil, in the New Year)
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That night started at Malones, then left a little early and stopped in Manhattan's. Two nice Filipino girls caught my eye, and we started talking. They said this was their first day in SH. And I did not beleive. And they both offered to show me their passport. Sure enough, just arrived. They were desperate, as they had to make some money to pay their rent, and then had to pay "someone" money for their air ticket. Planned to stay one month. Ended up taking the one, that seemed to be very shy. Figured it would be fun with a "newbie" and it was. She was a little shy, but when I treated her nicely, she warmed up. Nice shower together, great breast. She said all the other girls were jealous of her, as she had big natural breast. Her face was nice, but her complexion was not real good. Her body made up for that, and she was not a rookie in the sack. Went two rounds, and she wanted to leave. I wanted her to stay, but then when I looked at the clock, it was already 6:15 am! She had asked for 800, we settled on 600, but I ended up giving her 700, as she was real sweet, and seemed sincere. Bother girls did not have their own phone yet, but gave me numbers of friends that could contact them if I am back before they leave. Would like to try the other one neext time, or maybe both together.
I am assuming this is the Manhattan on Tongren Lu, was there many Pinays in the place I will be there in the next day or so and I have a thing for Pinays LOL. Would appreciate some help.
Wizard
Night Bear
11-27-08, 13:14
I am assuming this is the Manhattan on Tongren Lu, was there many Pinays in the place I will be there in the next day or so and I have a thing for Pinays LOL. Would appreciate some help.
WizardHi Wizard,
according to my experience Manhattan is more or less crowded by Pinays. Starting from the Ladyboys direct at the entrance ending in a lot of other Pinays in all ranges ( Age and View ). But meanwhile I had a very bad experience with a lovely girl I met first in August as a freebie ( yes also available in Manhattan...) and turning into a Piranha as she felt to save.
I will tell the story later on.
Be careful and god hunt,
Night Bear
Wordsofwisdom
11-27-08, 14:43
Thought I would take the chance to try a visiting massage since they have many advertisments on This Shanghai. The girl was supposed to be Candy aged 19 and I checked with her before she arrived. Of course pure lies and the girl that arrived was not the same person. She wanted 300 rmb and taxi money and started at 1500 for FS and everything. She was 24 and from Shenzhen. I got rid of her as fast as I could but it was a 350 rmb mistake. A warning to others out there...they are liars. We need to share this kind of information instead of some of the pointless chit chat I see written here.
I am assuming this is the Manhattan on Tongren Lu, was there many Pinays in the place I will be there in the next day or so and I have a thing for Pinays LOL. Would appreciate some help.
Wizard
Wiz - what's the chance of two Manhattans in Shanghai being full of Filipinas? LOL!
And FWIW, 7 Red Maos sounds about right to me for LT...
As for Malone's, is there a lot of pro action there these days? Haven't been in quite a while.
Night Bear
11-27-08, 18:50
Fellow Mongerers, you might not consider me being a newbie only to the fact that I haven't submitted a lot of reports. I was also blocked by the Golden Wall for a long time but with this new VPN back on track.
In August I spent a night in Shanghai coming from Ningbo on my way back to Europe. Arriving in the Hotel late in the evening changing business suite against the battle dress and heading to Tongren Lu to meet my friend JD (Double with Coke) strolled a little bit over the street and ended up in Manhattan round about midnight. Had a few drinks at the bar and faught a battle with two German guys celebrating also their last hours in SH. Had a good time at the bar chatting, drinking and spotting the neighbourhood. We were approached as usual by a lot of WG mostly Pinays but nothing extraordinary was available to wake up little bear. Nothing? With one exception suddenly there was this girl which did not really seemed to be a common girl for Manhattan. Not a stunner but seemed to be total different between all this other gals. I turned around and looked in this amazing dark eyes and was lost. So far so good we had a great time the next two hours starting a conversation and also sharing some drinks. She told me here story, devorced, one kid in the Philippines, in SH looking for a job since a few weeks and introduced to Manhattan by her Pinay friends she shared the appartment with, unhappy to be there but no other opportunities. Okay, checking the schedule (which was not easy after that battle) Taxi to the Hotel 20 min, remaining time before checking out 4 hours okay time enough. As expected she agreed to join me. But something was wrong. What? She did not ask for money or try to fix the price before leaving. Okay meanwhile 5 AM no problem to enter the Hotel, a deep kiss in the elevator, entering the room and then? GFE on the highest level deep kissing, BBJ, 69, Mish, DATY, Doggie and these amazing eyes to die for. The four hours turned like 5 Minutes time to check out. Having a breakfast together and then? She hesitates to take money with some nice compliments regarding me? (I should stay with JD and Wodka Red Bull)) Oh lucky little bear she turned out to be a freebie. We exchanged the Cellphone number and her first SMS was 2 minutes later on the way to the Maglev that she was missing me. Lucky day and promissing for the future. Little bears hunting instinct was awake and I keep him quite by strolling the Internet and indeed I found her on Friendster and via Yahoo Messenger. In the next weeks after my return to China a lot of chatting and SMS (Missing you.) the next chance to stay in SH for two days. Two days? Right, equals min 48 hours GFE and when we add additional the nights equals 96 hours. Flying to SH, checking in together with her and? GFE as mentioned before only leaving the room for some food. Meanwhile her story turned a little bit in that direction that she is missing her son so much, she has made some savings in the last weeks and want to leave SH to come back to a normal life. Hhhmmmm savings without a job and as a freebie in Manhattan? Not really or? Checking out together and same behaviour not taking a single RMB or a present. She brought me to the airport and said good bye telling me how she would miss me and wish I would come back and stay longer. Jackpot! And then? Two days later the sound of the SMS changed dramaticly (Not feeling so good. Instead of Missing you) I insist to know what has happened and guess? No, not being pregnant (Condom for ever). She told me that she has decided to put her savings to a Bank and just on the way? Right someone has stolen her bag with all her savings. A lot of tears via webcam, she did not want to stay longer in SH and did not want to go back to Manhattan. Three days later during a meeting a SMS from her that she needs my help and asked me to call her back or to meet her via Yahoo. And then she opened the complete emotional box telling me that her son has had an accident after leaving the school. Laying in a hospital with a broken leg and other serious wounds and needs an operation which is scheduled for the afternoon. Unfortunately all her savings are stolen and she has to transfer the money for the operation immediately but. Right the next question was to borrow her a few ten thousand RMB's via Western Union which she want to return next month. Next Month? How many pops as a freebie in Manhattan to save that money? Ashamed to ask me for the money but. And now emotion number three. She fall in love to me and I am her only hope in this bloody world. Am I really looking so stupid? End of discussion. I received additional three SMS from here with all the ugly words you can imagine. I will not post her name may be my impression is wrong that she starts a big rip off but her english name starts with A and the name of her girl friend accompaning her starts with J. She is in Manhattan from Thursday to Sunday every week and may be also on Tuesday. So be alerted when you see this girl end of 20 with these amazing eyes to die for. If you have the impression to hook up with this girl telling you the story being devorced, having a son in the Phillipines and since a few weeks in SH to look for a job PM me and I can tell you her names.
Be careful, good hunting and follow the old rule FFF
NB (preparing to sleep over the winter in order to loose the stupid look)
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Beijing Fox
11-28-08, 08:50
Come on, this is common practice in Bangkok or Manila.
Getting a punter hooked first and then milking them.
Clever girls have 2-3 boyfriends running who are madly in love and each of them believes he is the only one.
According to your post, she must be very skillful and professional at her game.
Fellow Mongerers, you might not consider me being a newbie only to the fact that I haven't submitted a lot of reports. I was also blocked by the Golden Wall for a long time but with this new VPN back on track.
In August I spent a night in Shanghai coming from Ningbo on my way back to Europe. Arriving in the Hotel late in the evening changing business suite against the battle dress and heading to Tongren Lu to meet my friend JD (Double with Coke) strolled a little bit over the street and ended up in Manhattan round about midnight. Had a few drinks at the bar and faught a battle with two German guys celebrating also their last hours in SH. Had a good time at the bar chatting, drinking and spotting the neighbourhood. We were approached as usual by a lot of WG mostly Pinays but nothing extraordinary was available to wake up little bear. Nothing? With one exception suddenly there was this girl which did not really seemed to be a common girl for Manhattan. Not a stunner but seemed to be total different between all this other gals. I turned around and looked in this amazing dark eyes and was lost. So far so good we had a great time the next two hours starting a conversation and also sharing some drinks. She told me here story, devorced, one kid in the Philippines, in SH looking for a job since a few weeks and introduced to Manhattan by her Pinay friends she shared the appartment with, unhappy to be there but no other opportunities. Okay, checking the schedule (which was not easy after that battle) Taxi to the Hotel 20 min, remaining time before checking out 4 hours okay time enough. As expected she agreed to join me. But something was wrong. What? She did not ask for money or try to fix the price before leaving. Okay meanwhile 5 AM no problem to enter the Hotel, a deep kiss in the elevator, entering the room and then? GFE on the highest level deep kissing, BBJ, 69, Mish, DATY, Doggie and these amazing eyes to die for. The four hours turned like 5 Minutes time to check out. Having a breakfast together and then? She hesitates to take money with some nice compliments regarding me? (I should stay with JD and Wodka Red Bull)) Oh lucky little bear she turned out to be a freebie. We exchanged the Cellphone number and her first SMS was 2 minutes later on the way to the Maglev that she was missing me. Lucky day and promissing for the future. Little bears hunting instinct was awake and I keep him quite by strolling the Internet and indeed I found her on Friendster and via Yahoo Messenger. In the next weeks after my return to China a lot of chatting and SMS (Missing you.) the next chance to stay in SH for two days. Two days? Right, equals min 48 hours GFE and when we add additional the nights equals 96 hours. Flying to SH, checking in together with her and? GFE as mentioned before only leaving the room for some food. Meanwhile her story turned a little bit in that direction that she is missing her son so much, she has made some savings in the last weeks and want to leave SH to come back to a normal life. Hhhmmmm savings without a job and as a freebie in Manhattan? Not really or? Checking out together and same behaviour not taking a single RMB or a present. She brought me to the airport and said good bye telling me how she would miss me and wish I would come back and stay longer. Jackpot! And then? Two days later the sound of the SMS changed dramaticly (Not feeling so good. Instead of Missing you) I insist to know what has happetned and guess? No, not being pregnant (Condom for ever). She told me that she has decided to put her savings to a Bank and just on the way? Right someone has stolen her bag with all her savings. A lot of tears via webcam, she did not want to stay longer in SH and did not want to go back to Manhattan. Three days later during a meeting a SMS from her that she needs my help and asked me to call her back or to meet her via Yahoo. And then she opened the complete emotional box telling me that her son has had an accident after leaving the school. Laying in a hospital with a broken leg and other serious wounds and needs an operation which is scheduled for the afternoon. Unfortunately all her savings are stolen and she has to transfer the money for the operation immediately but. Right the next question was to borrow her a few ten thousand RMB's via Western Union which she want to return next month. Next Month? How many pops as a freebie in Manhattan to save that money? Ashamed to ask me for the money but. And now emotion number three. She fall in love to me and I am her only hope in this bloody world. Am I really looking so stupid? End of discussion. I received additional three SMS from here with all the ugly words you can imagine. I will not post her name may be my impression is wrong that she starts a big rip off but her english name starts with A and the name of her girl friend accompaning her starts with J. She is in Manhattan from Thursday to Sunday every week and may be also on Tuesday. So be alerted when you see this girl end of 20 with these amazing eyes to die for. If you have the impression to hook up with this girl telling you the story being devorced, having a son in the Phillipines and since a few weeks in SH to look for a job PM me and I can tell you her names.
Be careful, good hunting and follow the old rule FFF
NB (preparing to sleep over the winter in order to loose the stupid look)
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If you have the impression to hook up with this girl telling you the story being devorced, having a son in the Phillipines and since a few weeks in SH to look for a job PM me and I can tell you her names.
I might have to PM you, since that description fits just about every girl in Manhattan. ;)
Nah... I'll just pay them 600-800 RMB as always and never have the feeling that I owe them shit.
... I'll just pay them 600-800 RMB as always and never have the feeling that I owe them shit.
Girls you meet while hunting go into the disposable mongering cell phone, not your "real" cell phone. One makes too much trouble, you toss the phone. You could probably just as easily get the number changed, but then you might have to tell the cell company who you are.
Yu Ping 999. No 896.
Petite, good facial features/bust (B/C), 1 front tooth discolored (missed in lineup but ok). Body well defined but a few extra pounds in the tummy.
Sequence—to confirm what’s been posted. Shown in door, to locker, shower. They have a nice whirlpool sauna and yes I used it because why not--its not extra. Skip male massage thing to lineup, behind 1 way glass. There at 1pm so had 15 or so there. Picked 896 and off we go.
Room is clean, newly remodeled with large shower room/air mattress, then double bed with arches. Sequence of clothes off/cock check, bath to back with lots of light probing/cleaning, soapy glide up and down, turn to front for more soapy slide, rinse, BBJ in 69, dry off. To bed room, for massage, AR, flip and more BBJ, then came the dildo/vibrator play for her then me to do to her—she fingered her clit as I probed the vibrator. Then she practically elevates her pelvis to my face with legs straight spread and lays our her clit for DATY—nice touch, almost acrobatic. To the suit and onward to completion. The room also has an LED screen with porn running and she has a remote to teak the temperature up/down, and there’s a water cooler to rehydrate. Next gentle massage and I think we’re winding down, but she starts playing again. I don’t need more oral so motioned her to use hand/lotion and she does and I can’t believe I’m responding (I’m not in 20’s anymore). On with the hat and round two—she parks her rear off the end of the bed for me to do standing doggy to full thrust—very intuitive gal to know that’s what I wanted. After surprise round 2, a little playful massage, and the costume changing thing, then finish—all in 80 minutes. Didn’t do the rope trick but looks like they can—not complaining at all.
By contrast, the day before went to Sacrosa and choose 512—very cute/petite, B cups, nicely defined body. Similar service in/out the door and whirlpool/sauna. Line-up is face to face—was there at 1:30 and had >10 to see—face to face a little intimidating. Picked 512 and off to a smaller room than Yu Ping, no second room for water games, and it’s a massage table/not bed. Sequence is standard massage through a towel cover with her dressed, then everything off for more massage, tongue massage with water, then flip for BBJ, then hat on and off to work. After there is cuddling and she actually dozed off which I was ok with because at this point had never done a 2nd shot with WG.
Prices—matinee pricing Sacrosa 550 (680 after 7), Yu Ping 680 (increase after 8 not sure to where).
Summary comments:
--Board comments on these places are accurate and well written/appreciated. --Directions good to both.
--Not sure girl selection matters a lot as for both they seem to be on a standard script. Would repeat both gals in principle, but in reality like to move on—isn’t variety the point of this sport?
--Haven’t played in the evening but as you can see here and other posts the afternoons have the advantages of lower price, more choice, maybe more energy.
--Yu Ping is a little nicer layout, and there are the additions of water play, AR, vibrator play, and nice effort from 896 in my case.
--Note to all—unlike some European apartment operations that emphasize total privacy, the saunas, while private for the action, are very public in the changing in/out process so hope you don’t run into someone who you don’t want to see there.
--Also, surprised but able to use my blackberry as a modem and via a google link get to the ISG site without a VPN. Someone recommended gotrusted.com vpn but my antivirus software considers it malware.
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Huckleberryfinn
11-28-08, 22:04
Question: A couple doors down from the Peacock there's a pink window with a bunch of girls sitting on a couch behind it motioning me to come in. I was just leaving Peacock so while I was curious I kept on walking. Anyone know what sort of service does this kind of setup offer?The standard BBS - for the same price as your HE, you could have gotten FS there. Try it and let us know.
Huck
Sixty Cent
11-29-08, 00:41
Yesterday I decided to test Sacrosa #590 in order to express my opinion and make compareason to other good babes there (#511, #562, #503 etc.)
First impression, ok looking, I like them slim but she is not so slim, little bit like 503. but not fat either. one advantage, she has big boobs, kinda like former #19 (Song Lin) in World plaza but not as big as #511 who stays my reference as far as body in China, and I have tried a lot (round butt, perfect flat stomack and big boobs... with some external help though).
However, overall #590 is good looking (She agreed for a picture but asked me not to share)
Then I went to the test part, she asked me if I want massage I answered no... she executed.
Started Daty, she loved and became very wet, until the point I was ready to gert in, which I did in any possible solution from front and behind.. No need of details, you all know.
Then I was ready to come and she took it in her mouth, not asking to clean didi (I don't like the cleaning interruption so I was happy) and she took all in her mouth, no issue whatsoever
Then we had a little rest, lot of DFK and went back for similar round 2
Verdict:
#590
face : 8
body : 7
boob's : 9
GFE : 10 - I felt she was my GF
attitude : 10+
BJ : 9
However, overall my reference stays #511 for body (10+) and perfect BJ (10+). I was told 511 will come back on december... great!
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Night Bear
11-29-08, 05:29
Come on, this is common practice in Bangkok or Manila.
Getting a punter hooked first and then milking them.
Clever girls have 2-3 boyfriends running who are madly in love and each of them believes he is the only one.
According to your post, she must be very skillful and professional at her game.Sure she is very skillful and professional at her game. And I have slept meanwhile a lot of winters to know that I am not the only one in this game.
This was just to share the experience.
NB
Night Bear
11-29-08, 05:59
I might have to PM you, since that description fits just about every girl in Manhattan. ;)
Nah... I'll just pay them 600-800 RMB as always and never have the feeling that I owe them shit.Same do I but when they hesitate to take the money.
I messed up the number--its 892 not 896.
Went for an encore--very different this time: just an hour plus of sex/2 good shots without all the production. In between came the request for my number in town and gave me her card/number. No English so not sure what good it would do and opted to keep things anonymous. Other reports have described this road where they want to meet outside the sauna and sounds like it ends in trouble. Had a good time again, but ready to move on.
Yu Ping 999. No 896.
Petite, good facial features/bust (B/C), 1 front tooth discolored (missed in lineup but ok). Body well defined but a few extra pounds in the tummy.
Sequence—to confirm what’s been posted. Shown in door, to locker, shower. They have a nice whirlpool sauna and yes I used it because why not--its not extra. Skip male massage thing to lineup, behind 1 way glass. There at 1pm so had 15 or so there. Picked 896 and off we go.
Room is clean, newly remodeled with large shower room/air mattress, then double bed with arches. Sequence of clothes off/cock check, bath to back with lots of light probing/cleaning, soapy glide up and down, turn to front for more soapy slide, rinse, BBJ in 69, dry off. To bed room, for massage, AR, flip and more BBJ, then came the dildo/vibrator play for her then me to do to her—she fingered her clit as I probed the vibrator. Then she practically elevates her pelvis to my face with legs straight spread and lays our her clit for DATY—nice touch, almost acrobatic. To the suit and onward to completion. The room also has an LED screen with porn running and she has a remote to teak the temperature up/down, and there’s a water cooler to rehydrate. Next gentle massage and I think we’re winding down, but she starts playing again. I don’t need more oral so motioned her to use hand/lotion and she does and I can’t believe I’m responding (I’m not in 20’s anymore). On with the hat and round two—she parks her rear off the end of the bed for me to do standing doggy to full thrust—very intuitive gal to know that’s what I wanted. After surprise round 2, a little playful massage, and the costume changing thing, then finish—all in 80 minutes. Didn’t do the rope trick but looks like they can—not complaining at all.
By contrast, the day before went to Sacrosa and choose 512—very cute/petite, B cups, nicely defined body. Similar service in/out the door and whirlpool/sauna. Line-up is face to face—was there at 1:30 and had >10 to see—face to face a little intimidating. Picked 512 and off to a smaller room than Yu Ping, no second room for water games, and it’s a massage table/not bed. Sequence is standard massage through a towel cover with her dressed, then everything off for more massage, tongue massage with water, then flip for BBJ, then hat on and off to work. After there is cuddling and she actually dozed off which I was ok with because at this point had never done a 2nd shot with WG.
Prices—matinee pricing Sacrosa 550 (680 after 7), Yu Ping 680 (increase after 8 not sure to where).
Summary comments:
--Board comments on these places are accurate and well written/appreciated. --Directions good to both.
--Not sure girl selection matters a lot as for both they seem to be on a standard script. Would repeat both gals in principle, but in reality like to move on—isn’t variety the point of this sport?
--Haven’t played in the evening but as you can see here and other posts the afternoons have the advantages of lower price, more choice, maybe more energy.
--Yu Ping is a little nicer layout, and there are the additions of water play, AR, vibrator play, and nice effort from 896 in my case.
--Note to all—unlike some European apartment operations that emphasize total privacy, the saunas, while private for the action, are very public in the changing in/out process so hope you don’t run into someone who you don’t want to see there.
--Also, surprised but able to use my blackberry as a modem and via a google link get to the ISG site without a VPN. Someone recommended gotrusted.com vpn but my antivirus software considers it malware.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Yesterday I decided to test Sacrosa #590 in order to express my opinion and make compareason to other good babes there (#511, #562, #503 etc.)
First impression, ok looking, I like them slim but she is not so slim, little bit like 503. but not fat either. one advantage, she has big boobs, kinda like former #19 (Song Lin) in World plaza but not as big as #511 who stays my reference as far as body in China, and I have tried a lot (round butt, perfect flat stomack and big boobs... with some external help though).
However, overall #590 is good looking (She agreed for a picture but asked me not to share)
Then I went to the test part, she asked me if I want massage I answered no... she executed.
Started Daty, she loved and became very wet, until the point I was ready to gert in, which I did in any possible solution from front and behind.. No need of details, you all know.
Then I was ready to come and she took it in her mouth, not asking to clean didi (I don't like the cleaning interruption so I was happy) and she took all in her mouth, no issue whatsoever
Then we had a little rest, lot of DFK and went back for similar round 2
Verdict:
#590
face : 8
body : 7
boob's : 9
GFE : 10 - I felt she was my GF
attitude : 10+
BJ : 9
However, overall my reference stays #511 for body (10+) and perfect BJ (10+). I was told 511 will come back on december... great!
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.60c,
Nice report. Im thinking that you should try 518 as well. Very tall and athletic girl from Mongolia. She is somewhat intimitading however she is a great fuck! Unfortunately I met her on my last day in Shanghai or I'd have her again and again.
Sacrosa gives you nice girls at great prices(550rmb) before 5pm. I was the first one there last Sunday and although the food selection is minimal, the girls seem to know how to treat us well unlike some larger Shanghai places. I cant wait to go back next year.
PC out
Beijing Fox
11-29-08, 13:52
It looks like an upscale bbs to me, but I've never tried it as I enjoy the massage at peacock.
The standard BBS - for the same price as your HE, you could have gotten FS there. Try it and let us know.
Huck
Sixty Cent
11-30-08, 00:01
60c,
Nice report. Im thinking that you should try 518 as well. Very tall and athletic girl from Mongolia. She is somewhat intimitading however she is a great fuck! Unfortunately I met her on my last day in Shanghai or I'd have her again and again.
Sacrosa gives you nice girls at great prices(550rmb) before 5pm. I was the first one there last Sunday and although the food selection is minimal, the girls seem to know how to treat us well unlike some larger Shanghai places. I cant wait to go back next year.
PC outThanks, I'll try next time. But I also need to try #105: She has been advised to me bu #590 when I asked her who is the girl providing the best service while beeing good looking. Of course I said it is to advise my friends, not for me as Ipromised to see her everytime (huh)
Well, has anyone tried #105 in Scrosa?
Sixty Cent
11-30-08, 00:17
I want to share one nice experience. Later on I'll share a bad one.
I have started about a month ago to go to a regular massage place, I I chose a 118rmb 60 minutes oil massage with a good looking masseuse. 22 yo, cute and a bit naive, as I like.
We discussed a lot, and the first session ended up with a HJ. That this place apparently provides occasionally (I showed her the way though. She was kinda afraid to refuse and offer bad service).
Then I decided to go every other day and move one step at a time with my cute #8.
The second time, I decided to touch her butt, and once it was time to HJ, I showed her how good it was and touch her small boobs on top of her clothes. Not much resistance.
The 3rd time, I asked her to kiss me, at first she did not want but then gave me a small kiss. While HJ, I asked her to kiss my nipples, she executed.
Of course, everytime I was discussing, making her laugh, building a relationship based on the fact that I am single, looking for a GF. She bought it.
The 4th time, I have been able to touch her pussy, not so easy, but she is kinda afraid to resist too much. We kissed, she kissed my nipples. Starting to become hot
The 5th time, her pussy was shaved, she told me she did it for the first time as she found she had too many hairs. I decided to daty in the small room, she was afraid but did not want to make noise as I insisted so she let me do. And she enjoyed. Her first time she said. And she only had 1 BF before.
The 6th time was the first one where there is no massage, I arrive, we consider each other BF/ GF (she believes it) and we only kissed, DATY and for the first time she gave me a poor 3 min BJ. She says it is the first time and I tend to believe as the quality was poor. At least she tried. But this time after insisting I fucked her about 5 minutes in the front, 5 minutes from behind until she was too afraid and finished me by hand.
The 7th time, about the same but I fucked her about 15 minutes on small bed. That was last Friday.
Monday I am taking a day off and she agreed to come with me, and to offer me real BF sex in a hotel. She believes it is a true love story and I really like her, but will keep it a LT GF relationship with nothing more possible.
I'll try to compensate by offering her cheap gifts but I can tell she is happy to have something out of this small shop (she works everyday and sleep in this shop) and I offer her a romantic experience.
The overall experience is not as good as sauna technically (you pay and get immediate quality sex) but I eally enjoy the step by step approach.
The next targeted step is to cum in her mouth, she is so cute with angel face.
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Sixty Cent
11-30-08, 00:35
Bad experience to share.
About a month ago I went to a shopping mall in minhang, close to the fair in big wheel. And I passed a cute little girl who asked me if I wanted to have sex. I asked how much, she said 100rmb. First time it happens to me in this area. I told her I did not have time but to give me her phone number for next time. She is called lingling, she gave me the number and left.
3 days later, I contacted her and made appointment same place. Being suspicious I decided just to carry 800rmb in cash, no credit card whatsoever. Only my blackberry. I arrived and we decided to go to her place. On the way a old guy talked to her. She was upset and gave him 20 rmb. I asked why? She said the guy was hungly. But I did not believe, that was strange. Look more like "if you don't give me money I tell him".
Anyway, I really wanted to have sex so continue to her place. We went thru small streets, and arrived in small room on ground floor. Inside, 1 table, 1 furniture and a bed with a curtain.
She told me to remove my clothes, whe put on the table. Then layed on the bed and she massaged my head. But I had bad feelings and heard little noise. I stood up and my clothed where gone (about 5 minutes later). I look in the corridor, a guy was there looking into my clothes and fled away when he saw me. I immediately grabbed my clothes and came back in, told the girl she is bad and she also fled away. I immediately put clothes on and was surprised to see my blackberry was still there. I thought, ok, I hvae probably only lost my money.
Then a couple of old people came and asked me what I was doing there. Everything well organized (want me to blieve it is their place and do not know this girl). Well, I did not answer and left.
I look in my pocket as my money was plit in 3 areas for safety. 200rmb in my trousers, 300rmb inside jacket, and 300rmb in jacket front pocket. I could not believe all the money was there. I was happy. I could have lost my clothes (what could have done without clothes? I can't imagine) or my blackberry. What a mess. Or even more if I would have carried more.
I went back home so happy.
I only understood about 2 days later that, in fact, I really lost 800rmb. How?
Well, the first time I tried to buy something, my 100rmb bill was rejected. A false one.
After verifying, the 800rmb are all fake, even same serial numbers. The guy just did replace my real bill by fake ones.
Well, I got a 800rmb lesson, not so bad compared to what could have happened. But I just did not believe it could happen to ME!
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Night Bear,
Some posts are interesting and entertaining. Some posts are useful. As far as being useful, yours is one of the best. Many thanks.
Let that be a warning to all of your kind-hearted mongerers out there, don’t fall for it. They would not be grateful to you; they will be laughing with their friends about another sucker they have found. I won’t say all of them are heartless when come to screw you out of your money, but words such as honesty or decency means nothing to them. I could be wrong, but I think Chinese girls may be a little bit better than the pinays in that way?
To those who are kind-hearted, if you must throw your money away, give them to the beggars in the street, as least they are honest, they just want your money and not telling you a pack of lies.
Thanks, I'll try next time. But I also need to try #105: She has been advised to me bu #590 when I asked her who is the girl providing the best service while beeing good looking. Of course I said it is to advise my friends, not for me as Ipromised to see her everytime (huh)
Well, has anyone tried #105 in Scrosa?60c,
There were only 4 there when I went on Sunday. I was early and probably slim pickens then. I must look for #590 and perhaps #105 as well. Ah, so many girls, so little time. lol
PC out
I might have to PM you, since that description fits just about every girl in Manhattan. ;)
Nah... I'll just pay them 600-800 RMB as always and never have the feeling that I owe them shit.Well said, I pay them to leave, not to stay. lol Of course any WG can be had for free however its going to cost us in the long run. Much better to pay them to leave IMHO.
PC out
Night Bear,
Some posts are interesting and entertaining. Some posts are useful. As far as being useful, yours is one of the best. Many thanks.
Let that be a warning to all of your kind-hearted mongerers out there, don’t fall for it. They would not be grateful to you; they will be laughing with their friends about another sucker they have found. I won’t say all of them are heartless when come to screw you out of your money, but words such as honesty or decency means nothing to them. I could be wrong, but I think Chinese girls may be a little bit better than the pinays in that way?
To those who are kind-hearted, if you must throw your money away, give them to the beggars in the street, as least they are honest, they just want your money and not telling you a pack of lies.
I received a PM from a member, I thought I better make my views a bit clearer regarding what I said about the ladies of the night. If I have offended anyone else with what I said in my post, please accept my apologies.
Here is part of my reply to the fellow member who was kind enough to PM me regarding my post.
Best wishes to you all. I will also take this opportunity to wish you all a happy holiday!
------------------------------------------------
The post in question was my response to Night Bear’s post - Manhattan experience
I am sorry that you have interpreted my post the way you did, it is my fault, I think I did not make myself understood, or we were on a subject which I find hateful; that is lies and cheats.
I do have tremendous respect for the ladies who have to do this kind of work, at the same time I am also grateful for the services they provide. I have spent many happy hours in bars all over the world (but mainly in the East) chatting and have a drink or six with these ladies (I don’t really like to call them ‘working girls’) even in places like LA Café I have found ladies who are nice, warm and entertaining. I often slip them some money when it time for me to leave (alone), as in my own self-indulging way (may be a little arrogant to think that way :-) ), I hope I have brought them a few moments of pleasant company. I have no problem whatsoever with what they do to make a living, indeed, they have my admiration.
As you know only too well, that here are also many who are as described in Night Bear’s post, who behaves in that way, or worse, these women I do despise, whether they are poor or not, I believe that when one person tries to lie and cheat another, that means she do not have any respect for that other person, then I hope you will agree, they no longer deserve any respect themselves.
I have no problem in helping out another person in need, be he/she a beggar in the street or a lady of the night, all I ask in return is respect and truth..
I wish this world is a better place, or countries had better governments, so that most of these ladies could have a happy family, and a happier life. I am sure you must feel as I do that many of these ladies can have a better job with much higher pay if they had the opportunity.
I am sorry to go on a bit, but I hope that now you understand what my views are of the ladies of the night; I have great respect for them, and have much sympathy for the life they have to live, and as long as they are decent and kind towards me, I repay them with respect, kindness and give them what financial rewards I can offer.
Thank you again for your PM
Best wishes
F
Been scouring the land for great BBS. From what I've seen the two best concentrations are:
(1) Xiaomuqiao Lu, just south of Xietu. Half a block west of Peacock. Turn left. #4 subway line. Damuqiao stop. Is also only two blocks away.
5-6 shops on both sides of the street. Business open from 6 pm to 3 am. Some of the girls are downright outrageous.
200 RMB standard, 300 for foreigners (maybe less if you're a repeat).
I may very well end up sampling every girl on the block.
If you walk further south on the street, past the main BBS drag, you'll find a bunch of MILF BBS.
(2) Kangding Lu, between Xikang Lu and Shaanxi Lu (Jingan District)
Bunch of shops, including one with large-breasted MILF types.
Standard prices.
Best shop is one furthest west. It's the only one where you have to go down into the shop. Bunch of really cute girls.
Also have to specially mention this BBS set inside of a hotel on Xikang Lu. From the Xikang Lu/Kangding Lu corner, walk north on the left hand side. Half way up, you'll see a BBS set inside a Chinese hotel.
Sluttiest girls I've seen in Shanghai. I think that's quite an accomplishment. Fishnet stockings and the works.
Can also go further north on Xikang and turn left on Yuyao. Bunch of BBS across from Muse, BMW and Sky clubs. Never tried, though, since friends and I go to Muse too much.
Flood
Thank you for your additional post. It proves to me that amongst our membership we have some who above all are "gentlemen" - in every sense of the word. A gentleman will always treat a lady with respect.
Regards to all
Galinsoga
Had a chance to get down and try Sarcosa. A few customers coming in and out when I got there at 1:30.
But when I finally got to the lineup, I squeezed into a room with girls lined up shoulder to shoulder all around me. I guess at least a dozen or so. I saw some many nice girls to choose, but I decided to start with a safe bet and get 590.
Her skills are well described in earlier posts. I will say that she seems to be a really nice girl. We just chatted for a while between pops (is 2 pops the norm? ) and a bit after the second pop. Not a PSE, but a very pleasant experience and you can't beat the price (550)
A few notes. The condoms are pretty fricken tight. Almost couldn't get the sucker on. The other thing to note is that she was insistent that I stay the full time even though I needed to leave and get back to work for a meeting. I can't figure out why its such a big deal. I will pay the full amount. But I couldn't get that through to her.
I really like her and she wanted me to get her again for my next trip. I know she must get a bonus for repeats. But I saw so many other choices, I wanted to give them a shot. I hope she doesn't hold it against me. See if I can pick a fresh number to report on for this forum.
I'm sure this is on here somewhere, so I'm sorry if this is a newbie question.
I'm going to be in Shanghai for Chinese New Year. I am looking to stay in a Hotel that has a Sauna that also does room outcalls. I would like to spend under 700 a night and possibly near Nanjing Rd, but can be flexible on that.
Also, is that a good way to go? If I am going to do a massage, I think I would like to be in the comfort of my own room. Then I feel like someone sent someone up for me (maybe I'll even pay her to say "Compliments of the Hotel Manager" and feel like a big wig). But I read about an outcall scam recently and have gotten paranoid.
I like to be sensual at the begining and filthy at the end. Is this possible? Thanks for the help. SPecifics would be great on hotels, so I can check them out.
I love these kinds of stories. Well. At least the part where you work at your non "pro" girl into getting some action. I haven't done that in a while but I think it's time to do it again. I've made some posts in the past where I've got some action from non HE places. The funny thing is, usually their technique isn't so good, but the excitement of getting them to do it makes up for the technique
Ha
I want to share one nice experience. Later on I'll share a bad one.
I have started about a month ago to go to a regular massage place, I I chose a 118rmb 60 minutes oil massage with a good looking masseuse. 22 yo, cute and a bit naive, as I like.
We discussed a lot, and the first session ended up with a HJ. That this place apparently provides occasionally (I showed her the way though. She was kinda afraid to refuse and offer bad service).
Then I decided to go every other day and move one step at a time with my cute #8.
The second time, I decided to touch her butt, and once it was time to HJ, I showed her how good it was and touch her small boobs on top of her clothes. Not much resistance.
The 3rd time, I asked her to kiss me, at first she did not want but then gave me a small kiss. While HJ, I asked her to kiss my nipples, she executed.
Of course, everytime I was discussing, making her laugh, building a relationship based on the fact that I am single, looking for a GF. She bought it.
The 4th time, I have been able to touch her pussy, not so easy, but she is kinda afraid to resist too much. We kissed, she kissed my nipples. Starting to become hot
The 5th time, her pussy was shaved, she told me she did it for the first time as she found she had too many hairs. I decided to daty in the small room, she was afraid but did not want to make noise as I insisted so she let me do. And she enjoyed. Her first time she said. And she only had 1 BF before.
The 6th time was the first one where there is no massage, I arrive, we consider each other BF/ GF (she believes it) and we only kissed, DATY and for the first time she gave me a poor 3 min BJ. She says it is the first time and I tend to believe as the quality was poor. At least she tried. But this time after insisting I fucked her about 5 minutes in the front, 5 minutes from behind until she was too afraid and finished me by hand.
The 7th time, about the same but I fucked her about 15 minutes on small bed. That was last Friday.
Monday I am taking a day off and she agreed to come with me, and to offer me real BF sex in a hotel. She believes it is a true love story and I really like her, but will keep it a LT GF relationship with nothing more possible.
I'll try to compensate by offering her cheap gifts but I can tell she is happy to have something out of this small shop (she works everyday and sleep in this shop) and I offer her a romantic experience.
The overall experience is not as good as sauna technically (you pay and get immediate quality sex) but I eally enjoy the step by step approach.
The next targeted step is to cum in her mouth, she is so cute with angel face.
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I live off kangding lu and have walked around the bbs land numerous times. I think I know what you're talking about when you say there's one with huge breasted milfs (south side, second to last one near shanxi lu). I never tried but I always see this one huge titted girl with red glasses in there. Funny
Been scouring the land for great BBS. From what I've seen the two best concentrations are:
(1) Xiaomuqiao Lu, just south of Xietu. Half a block west of Peacock. Turn left. #4 subway line. Damuqiao stop. Is also only two blocks away.
5-6 shops on both sides of the street. Business open from 6 pm to 3 am. Some of the girls are downright outrageous.
200 RMB standard, 300 for foreigners (maybe less if you're a repeat).
I may very well end up sampling every girl on the block.
If you walk further south on the street, past the main BBS drag, you'll find a bunch of MILF BBS.
(2) Kangding Lu, between Xikang Lu and Shaanxi Lu (Jingan District)
Bunch of shops, including one with large-breasted MILF types.
Standard prices.
Best shop is one furthest west. It's the only one where you have to go down into the shop. Bunch of really cute girls.
Also have to specially mention this BBS set inside of a hotel on Xikang Lu. From the Xikang Lu/Kangding Lu corner, walk north on the left hand side. Half way up, you'll see a BBS set inside a Chinese hotel.
Sluttiest girls I've seen in Shanghai. I think that's quite an accomplishment. Fishnet stockings and the works.
Can also go further north on Xikang and turn left on Yuyao. Bunch of BBS across from Muse, BMW and Sky clubs. Never tried, though, since friends and I go to Muse too much.
20 yo petite from Hunan.
Face 9
body 8
boobs 8 (B/C cups)
GFE yes--10
Attitude--10 (especially considering it was 11pm and she wasn't tired at all)
BJ--10, long, CBJ or BBJ choice
Usual Yu Ping Wet/Dry routines
And the bonus--she speaks English--slow, not a huge vocabulary but enough to have a conversation and make things more interesting.
Only 1 shot, but was having fun so stayed another hour for 2 more.
She promised 2 shots in 1 hour if I return.
I am assuming this is the Manhattan on Tongren Lu, was there many Pinays in the place I will be there in the next day or so and I have a thing for Pinays LOL. Would appreciate some help.
WizardYes, the one on Tongren Lu.
There is another bar up the street that has many too.
I received a PM from a member, I thought I better make my views a bit clearer regarding what I said about the ladies of the night. If I have offended anyone else with what I said in my post, please accept my apologies.
Here is part of my reply to the fellow member who was kind enough to PM me regarding my post.
Best wishes to you all. I will also take this opportunity to wish you all a happy holiday!
------------------------------------------------
The post in question was my response to Night Bear’s post - Manhattan experience
..................
Thank you again for your PM
Best wishes
F
well said and done!
and who cares if they nicely lie to us (in a decent way)!
respect will pay back and not only in monetary form (I pay - you give). Will pay in being able to interact with a himan being. Even a working girl is a human being, as weird as it can sound from ppl buying their time and bodies.
Had a chance to get down and try Sarcosa. A few customers coming in and out when I got there at 1:30.
But when I finally got to the lineup, I squeezed into a room with girls lined up shoulder to shoulder all around me. I guess at least a dozen or so. I saw some many nice girls to choose, but I decided to start with a safe bet and get 590......... The other thing to note is that she was insistent that I stay the full time even though I needed to leave and get back to work for a meeting. I can't figure out why its such a big deal. I will pay the full amount. But I couldn't get that through to her.
I really like her and she wanted me to get her again for my next trip. I know she must get a bonus for repeats. But I saw so many other choices, I wanted to give them a shot. I hope she doesn't hold it against me. See if I can pick a fresh number to report on for this forum.
The reason is very simple: if a customer leaves early the management assumes she has not been doing her job nicely to customer' satisfaction and the customer is so fed up he leaves and don't even bother telling the management.
That's the way they see it.
It is a bit awkward to sit some 5 or 10 minutes after the deed, doing nothing, with very little conversation if any, just to wait for the 60th minute (if that is the time), when the girl picks up the phone and passes it on to you for you to say "yes, happy"!:))
It's part of the game. Play it!
Adventurous Abc
12-02-08, 03:46
It is a bit awkward to sit some 5 or 10 minutes after the deed, doing nothing, with very little conversation if any, just to wait for the 60th minute (if that is the time), when the girl picks up the phone and passes it on to you for you to say "yes, happy"!
It's part of the game. Play it!LOL! This made me laugh heh.
Night Bear,
Some posts are interesting and entertaining. Some posts are useful. As far as being useful, yours is one of the best. Many thanks.
Let that be a warning to all of your kind-hearted mongerers out there, don’t fall for it. They would not be grateful to you; they will be laughing with their friends about another sucker they have found. I won’t say all of them are heartless when come to screw you out of your money, but words such as honesty or decency means nothing to them. I could be wrong, but I think Chinese girls may be a little bit better than the pinays in that way?
To those who are kind-hearted, if you must throw your money away, give them to the beggars in the street, as least they are honest, they just want your money and not telling you a pack of lies.Guys,
Not all girls are bad. I met a Filipina in Nov. 07 in Manhattan on a business trip, fall in love with her. She immediately stopped working, went back to Manila, didn't really expect a lot from me. I spent Christmas/New Year with her and her family in the Philippines. Then she visited me in Germany for 3 months. Great time, my family and friends love her.
Now, since 4 months we live together in Shanghai (I moved here) and she is 100% committed. Sometimes we jump into the Manhattan/Judy's world of her "girlfriends". Always fun!
I know, it's only 1 year now and many things may happen in future. But for the moment we have a very happy and stable relation. I help her a little bit with money, but far from what you guys would expect. And she will soon have a job. So think positive!
World Guy Sh
12-02-08, 14:33
I'm sure this is on here somewhere, so I'm sorry if this is a newbie question.
I'm going to be in Shanghai for Chinese New Year. I am looking to stay in a Hotel that has a Sauna that also does room outcalls. I would like to spend under 700 a night and possibly near Nanjing Rd, but can be flexible on that.
Also, is that a good way to go? If I am going to do a massage, I think I would like to be in the comfort of my own room. Then I feel like someone sent someone up for me (maybe I'll even pay her to say "Compliments of the Hotel Manager" and feel like a big wig). But I read about an outcall scam recently and have gotten paranoid.
I like to be sensual at the begining and filthy at the end. Is this possible? Thanks for the help. SPecifics would be great on hotels, so I can check them out.Try the hotels thread, try RTFF. Grump.
I believe the girls get fined if you leave a sauna session earlier than the allotted time.
Guys,
Not all girls are bad. I met a Filipina in Nov. 07 in Manhattan on a business trip, fall in love with her. She immediately stopped working, went back to Manila, didn't really expect a lot from me. I spent Christmas/New Year with her and her family in the Philippines. Then she visited me in Germany for 3 months. Great time, my family and friends love her.
Now, since 4 months we live together in Shanghai (I moved here) and she is 100% committed. Sometimes we jump into the Manhattan/Judy's world of her "girlfriends". Always fun!
I know, it's only 1 year now and many things may happen in future. But for the moment we have a very happy and stable relation. I help her a little bit with money, but far from what you guys would expect. And she will soon have a job. So think positive!
Dear Mr Munich,
You are absolutely right, and if you read both of my recent post, I said as much. I would say that 80% of the ladies of the night are decent, and they just want to make a living, they have my respect.
I send you my very best wishes for the future (I mean that most sincerely).
For me, and a number of others have experienced the other side of the coin, we would have fail to do our duty as a member to ask people to be aware, while enjoy themselves.
All the best.
A quick update on the BBS scene for you guys living in the Luwan area. There is a short strip of 6-7 BBSs running between Jumen Lu and Zhizao Lu south from Xietu Lu, see attached map. They have been around for quite some time and sometimes you can find some good looking girls here. Nothing extraordinary but a good place for a quick HJ and some titty squeezing.
HJ => 50 RMB,
FS usually available 150-200 RMB
Cheers
-T
Mock A Bee
12-03-08, 05:35
The reason is very simple: if a customer leaves early the management assumes she has not been doing her job nicely to customer' satisfaction and the customer is so fed up he leaves and don't even bother telling the management.
That's the way they see it.
It is a bit awkward to sit some 5 or 10 minutes after the deed, doing nothing, with very little conversation if any, just to wait for the 60th minute (if that is the time), when the girl picks up the phone and passes it on to you for you to say "yes, happy"!:))
It's part of the game. Play it!
Saunas can fine the girls for poor performance or not spending enough time with you. However, it depends on the sauna. If you want to leave early, your girl will have you tell the front desk from the room that the service was fine and you are leaving early.
The saunas don't usually care if the customer wants to leave early. It lets your girl become available again for a new customer.
MAB
OldAsiaHand
12-03-08, 07:52
Dear Mr Munich,
You are absolutely right, and if you read both of my recent post, I said as much. I would say that 80% of the ladies of the night are decent, and they just want to make a living, they have my respect.
I send you my very best wishes for the future (I mean that most sincerely).
For me, and a number of others have experienced the other side of the coin, we would have fail to do our duty as a member to ask people to be aware, while enjoy themselves.
All the best.
Flood800,
This subject comes up often and I use my favorite quote that normally applies IMHO:
"You can take a girl out of a bar, but you cannot take the bar out of the girl!"
I have seen too many guys to count in bad relationships with bar girls and, I can count on one hand the successful ones. In my experience, nowhere near 80% are decent. Working in a bar earning easy money changes the vast majority of them permanently. Now, if you want to support them in the lifestyle they have become accustomed to, that is a different story.
Just my POV.
OAH
Agree with OAH. Having thoroughly researched the subject over the past 5 years, I'd say in Shanghai less than 10% are decent (depending on the definition of decent, I suppose). I'd say 50%+ of appear decent, and maybe they are in some ways, but 90%+ (maybe 99%) will take the first chance they can to screw you - and I don't mean the kind of screwing you want.
Shanghai is pretty much the world's capital of greed and short-term thinking when it comes to bar girls.
-B-
Flood800,
This subject comes up often and I use my favorite quote that normally applies IMHO:
"You can take a girl out of a bar, but you cannot take the bar out of the girl!"
I have seen too many guys to count in bad relationships with bar girls and, I can count on one hand the successful ones. In my experience, nowhere near 80% are decent. Working in a bar earning easy money changes the vast majority of them permanently. Now, if you want to support them in the lifestyle they have become accustomed to, that is a different story.
Just my POV.
OAH
Night Bear
12-03-08, 14:08
Shanghai is pretty much the world's capital of greed and short-term thinking when it comes to bar girls.
-B-Sure, an old saying:"If the dick took over the reign the brain stops thinking"
AAAhhhh stop guys, before you blame me it is just a joke!!
But to be honest to state one thing very clear I also have a great respect for these girls and try to treat them in the same manor as i want to be treated by them. I have similiar experiences with girls in the same way as being described by Flood. Just sitting at the bar sharing some drinks with them and having a very good conversation without taking them out.
But I hate it to be cheated. It was not my intention to blame Manhattan or especially Ladys from the Philippines. So take my appologize if I raised this impression with my report. I just want to share my experience especially for the young fellows amongst us.
P.S. Next week the next meeting with my friend JD (Double with Coke) is scheduled. Where?? Right Manhattan :)
NB
Flood800,
This subject comes up often and I use my favorite quote that normally applies IMHO:
"You can take a girl out of a bar, but you cannot take the bar out of the girl!"
I have seen too many guys to count in bad relationships with bar girls and, I can count on one hand the successful ones. In my experience, nowhere near 80% are decent. Working in a bar earning easy money changes the vast majority of them permanently. Now, if you want to support them in the lifestyle they have become accustomed to, that is a different story.
Just my POV.
OAH
I agree with OAH (nice to hear from you!), Bonzo and NB, however, when I go out, I am looking for an enjoyable time, so I try to think the ‘good’ in everyone, I know most of them will tries to ‘screw’ you :D every chance they get, but I expect that, other wise I would go and pass my leisure time in a church.
What I hate are the stories, the ‘promise’ they make, I suppose this is how I define being ‘decent’ - “…I am in college, need to pay my fees, it would be nice if you can help me out…” or “I am a PhD student, I just need someone to support me for the next 25 years while I write my thesis…” or “my mother’s brother in the province have a water buffalo, it has a bed case of haemorrhoid, they are poor people, its all they have, the ‘doctor’ want one million pesos to save the beast…” or “…you are the only person I love in the whole world, I hope you feel the same, but I need money to live on, can you help me? So I don’t have to ‘work’ in the bars any more, you will be the only man in my life… my other boy friends? Well, I only fuck them when you are not around, not when you are here…” We have heard them all, but just try to pass our experence on and to warn any kind hearted to be careful; its all been done before, don't pay too dearly to be a sucker.
Someone should write a book, a compilation of all the stories heard in the bars around Asia.
Bonzo1 said “Shanghai is pretty much the world's capital of greed and short-term thinking when it comes to bar girls.” I think Philippines is not far behind. The only reason one hear less of these ‘stories’ in Thailand and Vietnam is due mainly to the language difficulties (I don't speak Thai or French), not the lack of ‘ingenuity’.
F8
OldAsiaHand
12-03-08, 15:48
Bonzo1 said “Shanghai is pretty much the world's capital of greed and short-term thinking when it comes to bar girls.” I think Philippines is not far behind. The only reason one hear less of these ‘stories’ in Thailand and Vietnam is due mainly to the language difficulties (I don't speak Thai or French), not the lack of ‘ingenuity’.
F8
F8,
I speak Thai fluently and, believe me, you hear just as many stories there. I used to translate letters for a bar girl in Pattaya. She had 5 guys on the line, all sending her money since she "was not working" and her family was poor. And, I was doing her in exchange for helping her with the letters.
A Thai girl told me one time that her mother could not walk and needed an operation. I paid a surprise visit and saw this lady running around the house. "Who is that?", I asked. "My mother" "You told me she couldn't walk." "Well, um, well, um, it is not my real mother, I just call her that,", she replied.
Just my POV.
OAH
I just returned from China and was unable to get on ISG from my hotels in both Shanghai and Beijing. Could someone PM me the trick?
Thanks,
WOODMAN
I just returned from China and was unable to get on ISG from my hotels in both Shanghai and Beijing. Could someone PM me the trick?
Thanks,
WOODMAN
ISG is blocked in China. Those using proxy servers or a VPN are able to access it.
ES
I just returned from China and was unable to get on ISG from my hotels in both Shanghai and Beijing. Could someone PM me the trick?
Thanks,
WOODMAN
In Shanghai, almost all the Coffee Bean coffee shop have free wifi. I used both iPhone and laptop there had no problem access ISG. I read this thread on BBS, as I forgot the addresses :D
The one I used almost everyday was the one on the corner of Fuzhou Road and Yunnan Road Central.
Vista Sushi
12-04-08, 06:07
Is it normal to be able to get FS at a BBS? Or, are they mainly HJ or BJ places? I've gone the suana route (very nice) and the outcall route (mixed results), but am now getting tempted by the BBS scene. Still working on some freebies. Hopefully have a report soon.
A quick update on the BBS scene for you guys living in the Luwan area. There is a short strip of 6-7 BBSs running between Jumen Lu and Zhizao Lu south from Xietu Lu, see attached map. They have been around for quite some time and sometimes you can find some good looking girls here. Nothing extraordinary but a good place for a quick HJ and some titty squeezing.
HJ => 50 RMB,
FS usually available 150-200 RMB
Cheers
-T
Mock A Bee
12-04-08, 06:51
Agree with OAH. Having thoroughly researched the subject over the past 5 years, I'd say in Shanghai less than 10% are decent (depending on the definition of decent, I suppose). I'd say 50%+ of appear decent, and maybe they are in some ways, but 90%+ (maybe 99%) will take the first chance they can to screw you - and I don't mean the kind of screwing you want.
Shanghai is pretty much the world's capital of greed and short-term thinking when it comes to bar girls.
-B-
Of course it is very hard to put any real percentages on this, but I would agree with this assessment.
However I would expand the scope of greedy quick-profit girls to include a certain percentage of office girls, freelancers, and opportunistic girls who need money for shopping, in addition to bar girls.
In fact, certain types of freebies are extremely skilled wolves in sheep's clothing.
The other type of girl you need to watch out for is the "wanna be Shanghai girl" who talks, acts and looks like a Shanghai born girl, but tries harder to screw you over and has something to prove.
As I have discussed with others I know in Shanghai, we pretty much all agree that "Shanghai girls are taught how to use their vagina as a tool to get what they want".
Buyer beware, you may get much more than you bargained for. I can't repeat this enough.
MAB
Comrade 2255
12-05-08, 05:59
A sign of things to come?
2008-12-5
Madam jailed
TAO Juan, manager of the sauna in the Galaxy Hotel, was given a sentence of five months yesterday by the Changning District People's Court for introducing prostitution.
Tao became the manager in June and was in charge of training and managing those providing massages. She also recommended prostitutes if customers asked for them.
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/?id=383339&type=Metro
Is it normal to be able to get FS at a BBS? Or, are they mainly HJ or BJ places?
I would say at least 50% if not more of the BBS offers FS. Personally I don't think it's worth it. They will try rush things and try to get you out of there as soon as possible. In some cases when the BBS has an apartment close by, then it's usually better service and not the same rush.
But it will always be down to the girl and how well you get a long with her
-T
Member #2924
12-05-08, 08:46
Hi guys,
Please don't blast me about this question.
Can someone please give me a quick hitlist of good bars in Shanghai where there is good a good selection of wg in addition to normal girls? Or maybe a specific area where there are many bars where one can bar hop and hope to maybe score?
I am aware of the Tongren Lu area and I am aware of Malone's. I've read through at least 18 pages on this thread and have not noticed many specific suggestions for bars.
I am not into bbs, sauna's or KTV's.
Is there any place like Beijing's Maggies Bar?
I will be arriving in Shanghai around Dec. 26th and leaving in early January.
In advance, thanks for any responses.
Adventurous Abc
12-05-08, 13:53
Does anyone know if the mamasans are in the room when you pick your girl from the line ups at Sacrosa or B2?
Hi guys,
Please don't blast me about this question.
Can someone please give me a quick hitlist of good bars in Shanghai where there is good a good selection of wg in addition to normal girls? Or maybe a specific area where there are many bars where one can bar hop and hope to maybe score?
I am aware of the Tongren Lu area and I am aware of Malone's. I've read through at least 18 pages on this thread and have not noticed many specific suggestions for bars.
I am not into bbs, sauna's or KTV's.
Is there any place like Beijing's Maggies Bar?
I will be arriving in Shanghai around Dec. 26th and leaving in early January.
In advance, thanks for any responses.Try Club L.A. at Tong Ren Lu 66. Insider knows.
Does anyone know if the mamasans are in the room when you pick your girl from the line ups at Sacrosa or B2?
Yes for Sacrosa
Hi guys,
Please don't blast me about this question.
Can someone please give me a quick hitlist of good bars in Shanghai where there is good a good selection of wg in addition to normal girls? Or maybe a specific area where there are many bars where one can bar hop and hope to maybe score?
I am aware of the Tongren Lu area and I am aware of Malone's. I've read through at least 18 pages on this thread and have not noticed many specific suggestions for bars.
I am not into bbs, sauna's or KTV's.
Is there any place like Beijing's Maggies Bar?
I will be arriving in Shanghai around Dec. 26th and leaving in early January.
In advance, thanks for any responses.Try Zapatas in Hengshan Lu (corner with Wulumuqi/ Dongping Lu). I am a pensioner and I managed a nice pick up (Mongolian) inside 10 minutes. There were clearly 4-5 girls there looking for business and that was a midweek night ie not busy. All you need do is catch their eye and hold it for a moment. They wait for that as a signal and that is all you need to make an approach. My "line" was simply that it was noisy in the club but much quieter and more pleasant in my hotel room. The response was simply a smile and a price.
Go for it
Galinsoga
Bad Boy Billy
12-05-08, 23:50
I am not into bbs, sauna's or KTV's.I am a bar type guy too - hate BBBS's and tolerate the saunas - but you are going to be somewhat limited.
Is there any place like Beijing's Maggies Bar? Unfortunately NO - nothing like it - Bourbon Street was good - not sure if it is still closed or open now - Zapatas can be good especially Wed nights but then it is so busy - Park 97 and Guandii both have *****s - Attica sometimes best place in town but expect to pay for the drinks and girls - then you have Malones, Manhattan and Judys.
Sigh - Billy would have killed over the years for a Shanghai equivalent of Maggies.
I have a question for the Senior Members and those with experience in Shanghai (after a brief explanation).
Walking along Nanjing Rd. most any evening, I was approached by several women sliding their arm starting various conversations. Always asking to sit and drink coffee. I've been one of those taken with this scam before so I do not partake but tell them I am going to my hotel. They continue trying to get me to coffee but I hold firm. They then offer to get someone for massage. One was quite cute so I ask "How about you, do you want to give me a massage?" She responds she can get a beautiful girl to give me a massage. I continue to pursue her services but at another time. She seems to agree but I have not called her to pursue the action.
Although the saunas are guaranteed good service with the #s given here, working for action does give a certain thrill to the mix.
Do you think it is reasonable to take one of the female touts back to the room for a romp? Or will the risk of ripoff be too great?
Thanks for your thoughts.
MD40
Bad Boy Billy
12-06-08, 01:08
Do you think it is reasonable to take one of the female touts back to the room for a romp? YES - it is possible to take the girls that approach you on Nanjing Lu.
Be direct - when they ask you want see our art exhibition / you want sit and talk to me / you want come lady bar - just say NO but come my hotel now and I fuck you.
99% will walk away in disgust - occasionally one will say ok - you gotta play the odds.
I had one tout approach me - you want come lady bar - no bring girl here - 5 minutes later a truly fuckable girls appears - RMB300 for 1 hour in hotel.
Next day the same lady tout grabbed me again - you want girl - NO - I want to fuck you - OK - RMB300 for 1 hour.
It can be done - just be prepared for MANY MANY looks of disgust - but hey - this is China - there is 700 million females here.
I am a bar type guy too - hate BBBS's and tolerate the saunas - but you are going to be somewhat limited.
Unfortunately NO - nothing like it - Bourbon Street was good - not sure if it is still closed or open now - Zapatas can be good especially Wed nights but then it is so busy - Park 97 and Guandii both have *****s - Attica sometimes best place in town but expect to pay for the drinks and girls - then you have Malones, Manhattan and Judys.
Sigh - Billy would have killed over the years for a Shanghai equivalent of Maggies.
I've been to Maggie's (RIP), as well as a lot of Shanghai bars, and the big difference IMHO is the origin of the WGs. Maggie's (and Beijing in general) has more Mongolians and girls from the CIS (former Soviet Union). Shanghai has more Filipinas and SE Asian girls... Though Maggie's had the curious (and unique in my experience) combination of hostesses and freelancers working in the same place.
But I've found there are WGs in just about every bar in Shanghai. You want high-end, go to BATS (basement of Shangri-La hotel), Cloud 9 (Hyatt rooftop bar) or any of a number of places on The Bund (Attica, Glamour, Bar Rouge...) Mid-range would be any of the Muse clubs, Babyface, Rendezvous... And HSL/TRL for lower-end. But funny enough, I've hit all those establishments in one night before and kept running into the same girls!
The Tanuki
12-06-08, 03:52
I've been to Maggie's (RIP), as well as a lot of Shanghai bars, and the big difference IMHO is the origin of the WGs. Maggie's (and Beijing in general) has more Mongolians and girls from the CIS (former Soviet Union). Shanghai has more Filipinas and SE Asian girls... Though Maggie's had the curious (and unique in my experience) combination of hostesses and freelancers working in the same place.
But I've found there are WGs in just about every bar in Shanghai. You want high-end, go to BATS (basement of Shangri-La hotel), Cloud 9 (Hyatt rooftop bar) or any of a number of places on The Bund (Attica, Glamour, Bar Rouge...) Mid-range would be any of the Muse clubs, Babyface, Rendezvous... And HSL/TRL for lower-end. But funny enough, I've hit all those establishments in one night before and kept running into the same girls!
What's all this then? I thought you'd be posting about the hotties we set you up with in Beijing, man... :p
Tankuki
Vista Sushi
12-06-08, 15:49
She likely didn't pay her "licensing fee" to the proper gov't official on time.
A sign of things to come?
2008-12-5
Madam jailed
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/?id=383339&type=Metro
Well Tongren Lu is alive and well, Although Judystoo still has LB's in it so be aware, you might take home more then you bargained for LOL
Went to Manhattan on the first night plenty of Filipinas, Vietnamese and some Thai with a sprinkling of Chinese thrown in, met a really cute Filipina great pettite body and a really sweet face but it was very early and wanted to see what else was available not much really moved to judystoo a lot more Chinese there had a really good time watching the pole dancers. Went back to manhattan, got the CP no of the Filippina as she was talking to another guy by then, my loss (more on this later). Continued drinking and partying with 2 local Chinese girls that spoke reasonable english, called it a night at about 3 in the morning as it was very late early start and for some reason as much fun as my 2 short time GF were I was not going to pay its always funny how devastated my girl was when I said I was going back to the hotel but not with her....
Next night, back to manhattan, my Pinay is back with her friends, chat buy her a beer (so much nicer that you dont have to pay LD prices) had a nice talk, asked for the pricing ST (3 hours) 1000 and LT 1500.
I counter offered but no sale so moved onto plan B, went to Shanghai Sauna.
Chose 9 pettite nice body had a really average time, although she was very nice and spoke english I did realise why I dont go to spas, its a very mechanical service with the really annoying fake moaning no matter how nice the girl is but YMMV.
Enjoy.
Wizard
Adventurous Abc
12-07-08, 15:38
Anyone know of any good bars in Pudong near Zhangyang Lu/Century Avenue to pick up Chinese WGs?
On SmartShanghai, the intersection is near the cluster of hotels labeled 21, 25, 9. Thanks in advance!
Parasitius
12-08-08, 00:13
Is it normal to be able to get FS at a BBS? Or, are they mainly HJ or BJ places? I've gone the suana route (very nice) and the outcall route (mixed results), but am now getting tempted by the BBS scene. Still working on some freebies. Hopefully have a report soon.
Remember that BBSes come in districts. I have no idea why this is, but it is true. If you go in one and they are only giving HJs, then 95% chance all others on the same street are the same. If you go in one and see all the chicks are 35 to 45, most likely all other ones on the street are the same. There are plenty of HJ only, but in my experience 75% or more "districts" of BBSes are full service.
Mock A Bee
12-08-08, 07:41
I have a question for the Senior Members and those with experience in Shanghai (after a brief explanation).
Walking along Nanjing Rd. most any evening, I was approached by several women sliding their arm starting various conversations. Always asking to sit and drink coffee. I've been one of those taken with this scam before so I do not partake but tell them I am going to my hotel. They continue trying to get me to coffee but I hold firm. They then offer to get someone for massage. One was quite cute so I ask "How about you, do you want to give me a massage?" She responds she can get a beautiful girl to give me a massage. I continue to pursue her services but at another time. She seems to agree but I have not called her to pursue the action.
Although the saunas are guaranteed good service with the #s given here, working for action does give a certain thrill to the mix.
Do you think it is reasonable to take one of the female touts back to the room for a romp? Or will the risk of ripoff be too great?
Thanks for your thoughts.
MD40
For those of you not familiar with this scam, basically, the girls on Nanjing Lu who want to chat you up are touts to lure you into a Teahouse scam, or whatever scam of the day is going on.
Trust me, 99% of the girls you meet that do this scam are not going to let you fuck them. On the contrary, she is going to fuck you really badly - and I mean with a few thugs who will forcibly make you give up everything in your wallet.
Don't go with touts, the almost nil upside is not worth the risk. You are just asking for trouble.
Caveat emptor, MAB
Loveasiangirls
12-08-08, 08:01
Anyone know of any good bars in Pudong near Zhangyang Lu/Century Avenue to pick up Chinese WGs?
On SmartShanghai, the intersection is near the cluster of hotels labeled 21, 25, 9. Thanks in advance!
Go around Weifang Lu and Pudong nan lu. Tons of girls there in BBS. They will actually hunt you down. Walking from there to the Nextage mall, you'll pass 4 of them. Last time I was there it was 200rmb. I'm going there this week and will check it out again as I have no freebie lined up tomorrow night.
John Smart
12-08-08, 10:24
See my report on the Honggang Hotel
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=585653&postcount=2334
CJW
Jim reported on this a while back.
I was at Hongqiao airport last week with 3 hours to go so I thought Id check out the Honggang hotel and its massage. Its located by A1 entracne to the airport and there's a ramp to the hotel.
The massage parlour offered 'body massage', often a good sign, so I went in and was soon shown to a room. Soon along comes a nicely dressed woman, mid 20s from Chong qing.
No clothes off for the massage, but straightaway its $100 massage, extras being +$300 HJ, +$500 BJ, +$1000 FS. I demurred, cdnt be arsed to argue. So she came down to +$800 FS. Eventually, I thought what the hell, a fuck at the airport, why not.
As Jim sez theres nowehre to wash, so its not brill. Anyway a good enough hump. but then comes the fun after. She sez that the $900 all goes to the management. IS she after a tip too after this exorbitant charge, I wonder. But no. She puts down $400 on the bill (100 + 300 HJ), unrolls another condom, outs the other 400 in that and sticks is up her twat! Excellent bit of foresight!
Thanks Jim for that one.
JS
Hey all!
First of all I'd like to give you all a big thumbs up on the shanghai thread! I've been doing plenty of research and have a few places lined up I want to visit (peacock, Yu Ping 999) Last night I had a wonder around my hotel (Regalia right above Weining Lu subway station) I found a few BBS but was not game enough to walk in. Could someone give me a step by step explanation of the procedure in one of these establishments (from when I walk in to when I walk out) Thanks and keep up the good work!
Hpwbot
Reports will come once I've had a chance to sample the goods.
Hey all!
First of all I want to thank everyone who has contributed valuable information in this forum! I've spent hours doing my research and have a few places in mind for my stay in Shanghai. I was scouring the streets this evening and came across a bunch of BBS but I didn't know the procedure as to how one of these establishments operate. Would someone kindly explain the procedure from the moment you walk in the door to the moment you walk out? Do I pay the girl in the room? Or do I pay the mama/papasan? Any help would be much appreciated!
Hpwbot!
Reports to come after I taste the waters.
Hey all!
First of all thank you to everyone who has contributed to this forum! I've spend a few hours doing my research and I'm quite curious on BBS! could someone kindly explain the procedure of what to do from the moment i walk in to the moment i walk out? Do i pay the girl in the room? or do i pay the mama/papasan? Any help would be much appreciated!
I'll report back once I've tasted the waters ;)
Hpwbot
Adventurous Abc
12-08-08, 15:28
Go around Weifang Lu and Pudong nan lu. Tons of girls there in BBS. They will actually hunt you down. Walking from there to the Nextage mall, you'll pass 4 of them. Last time I was there it was 200rmb. I'm going there this week and will check it out again as I have no freebie lined up tomorrow night.Thanks for the reply! How's the quality? Is FS available?
Loveasiangirls
12-08-08, 18:38
Thanks for the reply! How's the quality? Is FS available?
Yes it is full service and I found the quality pretty good. Good value for the money. You may not like their small cubicules however. Using my survival mandarin skills and showing my key, I convince the girl once to come to my hotel. Same price. I think she was happy to relax and take a shower in a nice place.
I am heading to SH tomorrow and plan to check it out again as I land too late to meet any of my too numerous SH freebies.
Adventurous Abc
12-08-08, 22:15
Yes it is full service and I found the quality pretty good. Good value for the money. You may not like their small cubicules however. Using my survival mandarin skills and showing my key, I convince the girl once to come to my hotel. Same price. I think she was happy to relax and take a shower in a nice place.
I am heading to SH tomorrow and plan to check it out again as I land too late to meet any of my too numerous SH freebies.Wow, the mamasan let you take the girl home? Stud!
OldAsiaHand
12-09-08, 03:25
Hey all!
First of all thank you to everyone who has contributed to this forum! I've spend a few hours doing my research and I'm quite curious on BBS! could someone kindly explain the procedure of what to do from the moment i walk in to the moment i walk out? Do i pay the girl in the room? or do i pay the mama/papasan? Any help would be much appreciated!
I'll report back once I've tasted the waters ;)
Hpwbot
Hpwbot,
I should tell you to RTFF again, but I feel generous this morning. I have done a few BBS girls so I will shed some light.
Just walk in and look around. There will be a mamasan or, more often in Shanghai, a papasan. Personally, I do not like papasans. I prefer to do business with mamasans, but Shanghai seems to have more papasans.
Anyway, the boss will ask you which girl you want. If you are of Chinese descent, they will probably not mention the price. They reckon you already know. If you are laowai, they will probably tell you. I imagine the BBS you are talking about will want 300 RMB ST from a laowai. I hate the laowai surcharge, but again, you are in Shanghai. Locals and OC only pay 150-200 RMB; even less in suburban areas. You can probably take her back to your hotel for the 300 RMB though. I would suggest this since you are close. The accomodation provided varies but is normally on the skanky side.
If you opt for on-site action, you will be taken to a room either in the same premises or an apartment nearby to do the deed. I always pay the girl after the deed, but some BBS may ask for payment in advance if they do not know you. They will usually back down if you insist to pay later.
Although there are exceptions, BBS service is pretty much "slam, bam, thank you maam". Many of the on-site accomodations in Shanghai do not even have a shower, just a cubicle in the back. If there is a shower, she will take a short shower with you to clean you up, followed by a brief BBBJ to get you hard, slam on the cover and f**k until you pop. The whole thing normally lasts around 45 minutes max. You can pay the girl in the room or pay the boss and split.
It is as simple as that. Just my POV.
Happy Hunting!
OAH
CaptainNemo
12-09-08, 07:33
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601089&sid=aUjdU79u7IAQ&refer=china
Dec. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Shanghai authorities arrested 18 people for allegedly posing as plainclothes police officers to extort money from men who’d visited prostitutes, the Shanghai Daily reported today.
The unidentified suspects are accused of threatening men with arrest if they didn’t pay protection money, the English- language newspaper said, citing the Shanghai police. Victims who refused to pay were robbed, it said.
Police caught the suspects after tracing the owners of a car found parked near hair salons in the city’s Pudong district, the Shanghai-based newspaper said. Hair salons are often used as fronts for brothels in China.
For those of you not familiar with this scam, basically, the girls on Nanjing Lu who want to chat you up are touts to lure you into a Teahouse scam, or whatever scam of the day is going on.
Trust me, 99% of the girls you meet that do this scam are not going to let you fuck them. On the contrary, she is going to fuck you really badly - and I mean with a few thugs who will forcibly make you give up everything in your wallet.
Don't go with touts, the almost nil upside is not worth the risk. You are just asking for trouble.
Caveat emptor, MAB
MAB is right. I also want to add my embarrassing experience because my ass was saved due to the advice on this board so it is time for me to give back.
I met three girls in XinTianDi. Now I have had some incredible experiences in China so I never discount anything as impossible. So I hopped in a taxi with them and they whisked me off to an unknown destination. Based on our awkward communication, I thought I was going to a disco with them. But we ended up at a KTV. I sat down, had a beer, saw the price list and I thought 99% this was a scam. When the girls detected my tension, they started trying extra hard to distract me via bump and grind. That's when I knew I had to leave immediately.
So I got up and walked around the place a little. To my relief, there were other people in the rooms so I knew this was at least a semi-legit KTV. I even saw another foreigner come out and pay so I took the opportunity to befriend him. We talked a bit and I thought I would just leave with him so I handed over 100 RMB(generous I thought) to the girl I was with to pay up for my beer and the fruit I never ordered.
I said bye to the girls and as I approached the door, a large Chinese guy blocked the exit and I knew I was in trouble. But I frequently read the forum and I remembered that no matter what the scammers say, they are more afraid of the police than I should be. The other foreigner was about to get on the elevator and I yelled to him to call the police. As soon as I did that, the manager freaked out and told the bouncer to let me exit. He even came chasing after me to try and give me change.
Anyway, I'm going to be doing things a little differently now, but the important thing to remember if you are in trouble is don't be afraid to yell or scream for the police.
MAB is right. I also want to add my embarrassing experience because my ass was saved due to the advice on this board so it is time for me to give back.
I met three girls in XinTianDi. Now I have had some incredible experiences in China so I never discount anything as impossible. So I hopped in a taxi with them and they whisked me off to an unknown destination. Based on our awkward communication, I thought I was going to a disco with them. But we ended up at a KTV. I sat down, had a beer, saw the price list and I thought 99% this was a scam. When the girls detected my tension, they started trying extra hard to distract me via bump and grind. That's when I knew I had to leave immediately.
So I got up and walked around the place a little. To my relief, there were other people in the rooms so I knew this was at least a semi-legit KTV. I even saw another foreigner come out and pay so I took the opportunity to befriend him. We talked a bit and I thought I would just leave with him so I handed over 100 RMB(generous I thought) to the girl I was with to pay up for my beer and the fruit I never ordered.
I said bye to the girls and as I approached the door, a large Chinese guy blocked the exit and I knew I was in trouble. But I frequently read the forum and I remembered that no matter what the scammers say, they are more afraid of the police than I should be. The other foreigner was about to get on the elevator and I yelled to him to call the police. As soon as I did that, the manager freaked out and told the bouncer to let me exit. He even came chasing after me to try and give me change.
Anyway, I'm going to be doing things a little differently now, but the important thing to remember if you are in trouble is don't be afraid to yell or scream for the police.Very similiar experience happen to me and a buddy in Qingdao. A taxi took us to this sauna, the place was run down. We where shown to the WGs, non to our liking, so we just went for a message with the guys in the open area. On the way out, they charged us 800RMB extra, claims to be the girls. They have a big guy around trying to scare us. My buddy who is older have more experience start to make a scene and demand to call the Police. After a while the real manager came out and say they've made a mistake.
That's China for you.
I even had a team of chinese 'tourists' from some small city try to sucker me behind the Shanghai Museum. They got my guard down by asking me to take their picture.
Next they, a male and two females in their 20's, were very friendly. We became friends so fast they wanted me to come with them to a Nanjing Lu tea house where we could have a tea ceremony and learn about Chinese culture.
I had read about that gag on this forum and politely declined the invitation.
Comrade 2255
12-10-08, 11:31
What say we start a 'Rogues Gallery' of Nanjing Dong Lu scam-touts?
Fight back, brothers!
Adventurous Abc
12-10-08, 18:04
Nobody is afraid of shady managers making you "disappear" if you raise a fuss?
I was scammed a few months ago (see my report) on Nanjing Lu for roughly 4,000 RMB. Taken to a KTV and told I bought 32 drinks. I was sick about it but paid with cc after 2 hours of arguing. Okay, not proud of it but I signed a different name and later disputed the charge. It was taken off and I have not heard about it since. Turn about fair?
MD40
A - ABC:
I don't want to sound like a jerk ( I already called you out once, from a misunderstanding), and I see that you will not be in SH until Christmas Eve, but buddy, come on. 17 or 18 posts so far, and almost all of them are silly little questions. Questions that scream tentativeness or fear. When you come to China, you will be eaten alive by your timidity; sharks will pounce on you and sense your fears and doubts. Just come here and have some fun. Yes you will have to take a chance, and you will have to be your own teacher. To play the game you have to be in the game. Relax and enjoy your visit, I can pretty much promise you that SH is safer than where you live now. Part of the fun, for me at least, in mongering is the great unknown and (albeit) slight fear factor of taking a chance sticking your dick in some foreign woman's mouth that you don't know at all. Nothing wrong whatsoever with a little caution and preparation - don't get me wrong. Keep your wits about you and you will be fine.
Jimmyjohn2
12-10-08, 23:30
I'm a long time lurker who felt it time to write re. This topic. I definitely agree with Lao that Shanghai is probably one of the safest places to be as a tourist, including mongering activities. You just have to be smart and pay attention about what's going on. I never go with anyone to places I don't know. Instead, do some research beforehand to learn about coffee shops, clubs, bars, etc. If a girl on the street offers to take you to a tea-house or somewhere else, just suggest to her that you go to one of the places you checked out before. If she refuses, then you know what's up!
A - ABC:
I don't want to sound like a jerk ( I already called you out once, from a misunderstanding), and I see that you will not be in SH until Christmas Eve, but buddy, come on. 17 or 18 posts so far, and almost all of them are silly little questions. Questions that scream tentativeness or fear. When you come to China, you will be eaten alive by your timidity; sharks will pounce on you and sense your fears and doubts. Just come here and have some fun. Yes you will have to take a chance, and you will have to be your own teacher. To play the game you have to be in the game. Relax and enjoy your visit, I can pretty much promise you that SH is safer than where you live now. Part of the fun, for me at least, in mongering is the great unknown and (albeit) slight fear factor of taking a chance sticking your dick in some foreign woman's mouth that you don't know at all. Nothing wrong whatsoever with a little caution and preparation - don't get me wrong. Keep your wits about you and you will be fine.
Jimmyjohn2
12-10-08, 23:32
I'm a long time lurker who felt it time to write re. This topic. I definitely agree with Lao that Shanghai is probably one of the safest places to be as a tourist, including mongering activities. You just have to be smart and pay attention about what's going on. I never go with anyone to places I don't know. Instead, do some research beforehand to learn about coffee shops, clubs, bars, etc. If a girl on the street offers to take you to a tea-house or somewhere else, just suggest to her that you go to one of the places you checked out before. If she refuses, then you know what's up!
Anyone know of any good bars in Pudong near Zhangyang Lu/Century Avenue to pick up Chinese WGs?
On SmartShanghai, the intersection is near the cluster of hotels labeled 21, 25, 9. Thanks in advance!
You might find some WG approaching you on the streets nearby Intercontinental hotel. Non strictly SW, though.
Adventurous Abc
12-11-08, 04:55
A - ABC:
I don't want to sound like a jerk ( I already called you out once, from a misunderstanding), and I see that you will not be in SH until Christmas Eve, but buddy, come on. 17 or 18 posts so far, and almost all of them are silly little questions. Questions that scream tentativeness or fear. When you come to China, you will be eaten alive by your timidity; sharks will pounce on you and sense your fears and doubts. Just come here and have some fun. Yes you will have to take a chance, and you will have to be your own teacher. To play the game you have to be in the game. Relax and enjoy your visit, I can pretty much promise you that SH is safer than where you live now. Part of the fun, for me at least, in mongering is the great unknown and (albeit) slight fear factor of taking a chance sticking your dick in some foreign woman's mouth that you don't know at all. Nothing wrong whatsoever with a little caution and preparation - don't get me wrong. Keep your wits about you and you will be fine.You're right, it's time for me to man up. Thanks for the points of wisdom. I'll do my best and report back with any leads I dig up for the benefit of my fellow mongers.
Member #2924
12-11-08, 08:29
To anyone who is not listening to what the members on this board are saying, here are two more examples of street scams.
I'm reading these reports of various street scams and it is prompting me to mention 2 of my "adventures".
I'm usually pretty aware of what I am doing, but one day last spring I found myself being lured into a KTV by a young cute girl I met near the Bund. I went in with my guard up but was essentially clueless with what happens in a KTV. I kept suggesting we go to my hotel, but she insisted on going to the KTV as it was only a couple blocks away. Up until this point, I had never been scammed and was unaware of the potential for loss. I was led into one of the rooms and before I knew it food and drinks were being served without my ordering any. Within ten minutes I began to really get a sniff of trouble. I got up to leave the room and the girl begins acting really weird and tries to keep me in the room. Upon exiting the room one of the KTV goons presents me with a bill that was approximately $170. What I did next was probably not the smartest thing to do, but I reverted back to the days when I played football with my friends. I pretended I was given the handoff, I dodged around the goon and I flew out of the KTV and did not stop running until I was halfway up the alley. I expected to find a couple of goons on my tail or I expected someone to take a shot at me, but to my relief I was all alone. It took a good hour for me to calm down and get over the adreneline rush. It took me a day to quit kicking myself for being so stupid to follow some piece of p*ssy into a dangerous situation.
Another time in Beijing, a couple of girls came up to me in a shopping mall. These two were very smooth with their delivery and they pretented like they wanted to learn English. They insisted on taking me to a bar they had noticed around the corner so that they could buy me a drink. They also alluded to the "potential" for me to get them in bed after these few drinks. This time I was on to what they were up to and knew it was BS, but I decided to play along so long as I was not led off of the main traffic areas. Sure enough, we walk a couple of blocks and they lead me into this bar that had "mafia" written in the air as we walked into it down this runway into the main area of the bar. I stopped and looked around at this empty bar. As I was checking out the creepy bartender, a mamason was trying to usher me into a room with the girls. I instantly turned and walked out of there. As I was leaving, one of the girls starting cussing up a storm because I had not stayed in the bar. The words that came out of her mouth were a complete contradiction to the "sweet" attitude she displayed at the shopping mall.
Believe it or not, the next day I meet another young girl (19 yrs old) in the same shopping mall. She wants to learn English and she wants to go get some lunch. I told her that I was heading to my hotel room, which was conveniently connected to the shopping mall, and if she wanted to learn English she would just have to join me in my room. Believe me, I was saying this just to shake her off of me, but damn if she doesn't agree to come with me. She comes up to my room and I begin to show her photos of the Grand Canyon which were on my digital camera. Before I know it, my hand is down her shirt and then it is down her pants. In roughly 15 minutes, my face is between her legs and she is as moist as they come. We went out drinking that night and the next day she took me to the Silk Market in Beijing.
The lesson learned: Keep my wits about me and DO NOT go where any strange girl wants me to go. Shanghai and Beijing are fun cities to enjoy and there is much to do there. Just let my upper head do the decision making!
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Originally Posted by A-Todd
A quick update on the BBS scene for you guys living in the Luwan area. There is a short strip of 6-7 BBSs running between Jumen Lu and Zhizao Lu south from Xietu Lu, see attached map. They have been around for quite some time and sometimes you can find some good looking girls here. Nothing extraordinary but a good place for a quick HJ and some titty squeezing.
HJ => 50 RMB,
FS usually available 150-200 RMB
Cheers
-TThanks for the report, and the detailed map I went there during my visit in Shanghai. Being a first timer, I actually found it, which is amazing for me since I knew absolutely nothing about shanghai's layout.combined with that map, google maps and smartshanghai, I managed to find it, after telling the taxi driver xiaiomuji lu. He didn't seem to know Xietu lu, or didn't recognize my pronounciation of Xietu Lu. Walked for a bit and then found it. Picked a BBS off that street strip, I got FS for 200RMB, didn't really negotiate. Went in back, small tiny cubicle I barely fit in, very wham bam thank you mam. It did hit the spot, although in the cubicle it was so dark I can barely see anything.
Thumbsup
Went to the naked KTV as outlined in classic post 4722. Or was it 4772?
Called the number, got the address, went there with 3 other guys. Exactly as reported, a great time was had, partied till 5am (although this is not the norm, we got there late, it was slow, and we were the last one to leave so I think they made an allowance for us). Girls get naked, you can dance with them, party with them, touch them on the outside.
Mamasan sure looked good herself.
Girl quality was good, all kinda short, not the tall shanghai girls you see in Muse3/Muse1, Guandii, etc. Although after the makeup comes off the look does deteriorate haha. Not super hot, but not ugly, all pretty.
Total outlay for me personally was 2500 rmb. Ouch. KTV's are expensive. But hey, it was my last night in Shanghai, so we decided to go all out.
Went out on the town recently with World Guy Sh (or as I prefer to call him - Guy du Monde). Though I've been to Shanghai a time or few, it's always good to compare notes with those experts who are there on the ground full time. Mad props to Guy for volunteering to go out with someone he's never met, and on a school night to boot. He is a gracious and knowledgeable host, not to mention an overall great... well... guy. :)
Now on to our search for Shanghai poontang...
Nourishment
After getting to know each other over some great food and a few píjǐu, we formulated our plan of attack. Babyface, we knew, would likely make for the centerpoint of our evening, but where else? Guy had never been to Rendezvous in Xintiandi, so I suggested we warm up the evening there.
No Rendezvous at Rendezvous
Unfortunately the house band had made a change for the worse, and the cute Pinay duo who used to headline there were nowhere to be found. Funny enough, though, we spotted a trio of Russian businessmen who'd be dining next to us earlier. For a city of approx 20 million people, the expat portion seems incredibly small. The bar was moderately crowded - mostly groups but with a few WGs mixed in. Nevertheless, we just couldn't get into the groove there, and left after one drink. Fortunately, Babyface was literally just around the corner...
The Main Non-event
For those of you who haven't been to Babyface Shanghai, it's the sort of place which is practically packed every day of the week with a 1000 pulsing bodies. Perfect, in other words, for a school night. Music is good, lighting/mood are right for picking up, and the service is usually decent. Only minus is that it is fucking LOUD. We contemplated buying a bottle and getting a booth to set up a "ground camp" to which we could lure our prey. But as I was getting hoarse after 30 minutes of conversation, and Guy was unsuccessful in his attempts to lure AG, MAB and BL out of their comfortable abodes, we decided we'd probably be better off somewhere else. Had there been more available hotties there or even some semblance of teasing eye contact, maybe we would have wanted to stay... but it just wasn't the case. So after some discussion, we left for the recently renovated Park 97 now under Muse's management.
Going Local
I had not seen the renovation, and didn't even know where to enter. Though the prior Park was more of a chill-out Latin live-music place where you could play pool and mingle with other expats, the new Park is slicker, more stylish, but on the other hand, somewhat soulless. The clientele was typical of what you'd find at other Muse establishments: locals getting fucked up on Remy Martin XO and green tea, playing dice, and SMSing their friends about what a good time they're missing out on. Not my scene, nor Guy's. We left after one expensive cocktail and I suggested we pop our heads into Richy's just across Fuxing Park and a 2 minute walk from where we were. It didn't take 10 seconds for us to decide we wanted to be somewhere else.
All Roads Lead To...
Grabbed a taxi and three syllables came out of my mouth which had been uttered countless times before - Tong Ren Lu. Unfortunately, we picked the only taxi driver who didn't know the location of the bars on Tongren Lu. But Guy was able to eventually direct him to that seedy little stretch where we've probably all wasted too much time and money. We kicked things off at Judy's Too, where I was surprised to find (for my first time in China) full frontal strip tease from hyper-inflated bimbos. WGs there are mostly Pinay with a bit of others (Thai, Chinese, even Japanese) mixed in. After that, we decided to see what Manhattan had to offer. It was a lot more crowded and girls definitely more aggressive. Also more girls from the former Soviet Union. By far the most attractive was a tall Kazachka named Marishka. Sporting huge tits, a tiny waist, voluptuous ass and long legs enveloped in a sheath of spandex smaller than some of my hankies, Marishka could best be described as a real-life Jessica Rabbit. Given the number of "too good to be true" lady boys working there, Marishka greeted me by grabbing my hand and sticking my finger up her quite-moist twat. Given that I prefer to work a bit for my action, I decided to pass. Guy chatted her up a bit and got to squeeze what I thought were certainly silicone-filled funbags. She had claimed they were real, and he confirmed it. If that body was truly god-given, it has to be one of the most perfect in history. Why neither of us tried to close the deal with her... I will never know. I suppose we were just having too good a time chatting up the girls and drinking. Meanwhile, I had two more girls give me the "I'm not a lady boy" pussy grope. I shudder to think how many hands have been on those nether parts... The idea of going down on such a thing makes me shudder. After taking a break and playing some pool next door, we decided to head back to Manhattan to see what was left. To our utter disappointment, all of the hot girls were gone. We had missed our window of opportunity. Well, what else to do but order another drink? Actually, we might have headed back to Judy's to check it out too, but my alcohol-addled memory fails me. Recalling stories of old whoring glories while beating off the uglies, we spotted a girl who didn't seem to belong in such a bar. Conservatively dressed and looking distinctly uncomfortable, we invited her over to our table. Jane was a Chinese girl who claimed to be from Beijing (yeah, right), and provided more of a challenge than Guy wanted so late in the evening. As such, a few minutes later he grabbed another girl (of whom I honestly have zero recollection - hope she was good, Guy) and headed out the door. Having nothing better to do and three-quarters of a beer to finish, I decided to get inside Jane's head and figure out what the deal was there. She claimed that she wasn't working, but her roommate was a WG and was returning to pick her up after finishing a ST trick nearby. I asked if she wanted to go home with me and she refused, saying she wasn't working. Nevertheless, we engaging in some serious DFK and groping there at my table. She said she wanted to meet me the next day for dinner, traded numbers (which I couldn't verify given she had no money on it), and said goodbye to her as she left the bar. Scanning the bar at 4am, I found it totally and utterly disgusting. There wasn't a single girl left who I would entertain fucking for free. Chugging my beer, I headed to the door.
Denouement
It appeared Jane hadn't made it far, as she was standing immediately outside the exit of Manhattan. Our eyes meeting, I said "let's go", grabbed her hand and she willingly followed me into the taxi. Between make-out sessions in the brief taxi ride to my hotel, she told me that she only wanted to sleep (given that her friend has disappeared and she didn't have anywhere else to go). I told her "no problem" and offered her the second bed in my room should she wish. Well, it never got that far. Arriving at the Hilton, security stopped us before we even hit the front door, and spoke very aggressively with her. She told me that they wanted to see her ID, and I asked if she had one. She said yes, but that she didn't want to show it since she wasn't a working girl. Given that the security guard spoken virtually no English other than "her - no", I went to the front desk after palming a red Mao from out of my pocket. Security guard talked with the manager on duty who in turn talked with Jane (who was looking at her feet the whole time). Confused, I asked what the hell was going on. "This girl attempted to enter our hotel last night and didn't have ID, so we rejected her. All guests need to present ID." No way, I thought. They must have gotten her confused with someone else! "Jane - is that true? Where you here last night?" As she continued to stare at her feet, I detected slow nodding of her head. So the demure non-WG thing was all an act. I made a bee-line to the elevators and never looked back. Maybe I was wrong to leave her like that, but I don't like being played.
Post-mortem
Given the circumstances (school night partying), I don't think we did half bad. Maybe we should have stayed the course and done the whole booth+bottle thing at BBF. We definitely could have passed on Rendezvous and Park 97. And one of us definitely should have bedded Marishka. But we had lots of fun, great conversation, and things ended well with Guy, as I understand. And best of all, I have a new friend in Shanghai.
Adventurous Abc
12-12-08, 19:56
Awesome write up Pizdyets!
Interesting story. I enjoyed the writing a lot. You should make a career in journalism.
Sorry to disappoint you, but no Chinese non-WG that I know would engage in DFK with a complete stranger at first sight, in a public place.
I don't think either that a non-WG would go to a pub on her own, much less so the very animated TRL watering holes, packed with lao wei. China has made a lot of progress down these roads, but many girls are still utterly uneasy in being one-to-one in a pub (they will be ok in a restaurant or coffe shop, but definitrly less so in a pub..... The face issue is big there). It's easy to say afterwards, but that should have given you a heads-up of the situation you were into.....
[QUOTE=Pizdyets] Jane was a Chinese girl who claimed to be from Beijing (yeah, right), and provided more of a challenge than Guy wanted so late in the evening. Nevertheless, we engaging in some serious DFK and groping there at my table.
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Great report, the Japanese girl in Judystoo is not a girl...
I am yet to see a good girl in any of the bars on this strip, but I am glad you had a great time.....
Better not stay at the Hyatt my normal hotel dosent ask for ID.
Wizard
World Guy Sh
12-13-08, 12:05
Sorry to disappoint you, but no Chinese non-WG that I know would engage in DFK with a complete stranger at first sight, in a public place.
Drainaps
I have on a number of occasions. Last time, 10 minutes of drinking and this girl just launched herself at me. I had known her less than 30 minutes (is within 30 mins 'at first sight'? ! )
Depends on the place you hang out but some are incredibly western. Hell, it takes me back to my student days. .
WGS
Great report, the Japanese girl in Judystoo is not a girl...
Not surprised. Lots of lady boys in both Judy's and Manhattan.
I am yet to see a good girl in any of the bars on this strip, but I am glad you had a great time.....
Marishka is hot - trust me. But the rest were mamahuhu, you're right.
Better not stay at the Hyatt my normal hotel dosent ask for ID.
I'm not getting you. I wasn't at the Hyatt; I was at the Hilton. And it was the first time I'd had it happen to me in any hotel in China over the past 4 years... As I wrote in the Shanghai Hotel thread, I brought a friend home the next night with absolutely no problem, so perhaps it was just a fluke.
Interesting story. I enjoyed the writing a lot. You should make a career in journalism.
Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it as much as I did writing it up.
Sorry to disappoint you, but no Chinese non-WG that I know would engage in DFK with a complete stranger at first sight, in a public place.
I guess I know some girls you don't. :P
Seriously, I know Chinese girls are worried about saving face more than other nationalities, but on the other hand, they're still girls (and girls get horny). Furthermore, alcohol lowers inhibitions like you wouldn't believe. This is more the norm for me than the exception.
I don't think either that a non-WG would go to a pub on her own, much less so the very animated TRL watering holes, packed with lao wei. China has made a lot of progress down these roads, but many girls are still utterly uneasy in being one-to-one in a pub (they will be ok in a restaurant or coffe shop, but definitrly less so in a pub..... The face issue is big there). It's easy to say afterwards, but that should have given you a heads-up of the situation you were into.....
I said Jane claimed to not be working. She also said she was from Beijing. I didn't believe either. But on the other hand, what was her motivation for creating such a story? To eliminate the chance I'd give her money in the morning? She was clearly "into" me. I still can't put it all together, but then again, I'm a logical guy trying to think like an illogical girl...
Hey Guy!
I have on a number of occasions. Last time, 10 minutes of drinking and this girl just launched herself at me.
To give Drainaps' theory a bit of support, I have noticed that Chinese girls will often try to get out of the line-of-sight of their posse before kissing you. But given how large many of the clubs are, that almost never poses a serious problem.
On the other hand, I once had two friends "competing" in a club to show me which one was the better kisser. And neither one was really drinking at all. It's unbelievable how competitive girls can be sometimes, even with their own girlfriends. I didn't progress far with either of them, but that was still a lot of fun!
While we're on the topic, I have a suggestion for you guys who prefer take-out to salons/BBSes. Make sure the girl is a passionate kisser before you take her home. Once I started employing this technique, my satisfaction ratio went from around 70% to near 100%. Maybe I threw away a couple good girls who were too embarrassed to make out with me in public, but it's damn effective at weeding out the duds. And now that I think about it, Marishka may have had a hot fucking body, but she was a mediocre kisser at best. But Guy... you still need to tap that, understand? :)
Kingkong133
12-14-08, 09:00
I ususally don't do hookers. But yesterday I screwed up big time.
I was walking home alone drunk from a party close to Plaza 66. Three prostitutes were standing there and one of them walked up to me. Drunk as I was, she convinced me to follow her for a "massage". We went into a shady park just nearby. She gave me a short blowjob WITHOUT condom and then jerked me off.
I'm a bit scared now. Do you think I've gotten any STDs? Does many of the street hookers have HIV? Do you think I should test myself for various STDs at a Shanghai Clinic or wait until I go home in little over two weeks?
Please answer quickly so that I can rest my mind a little.
Vista Sushi
12-14-08, 23:29
The chances are slim to none. Unless you have any open sores or cuts on your little man, I wouldn't worry about it. In the grand scheme of things you are more likely to get the clap. She on the other hand is really the one that is most at risk in the BBBJ situation.
http://std.about.com/od/riskfactorsforstds/a/oralsexsafesex.htm
I ususally don't do hookers. But yesterday I screwed up big time.
I was walking home alone drunk from a party close to Plaza 66. Three prostitutes were standing there and one of them walked up to me. Drunk as I was, she convinced me to follow her for a "massage". We went into a shady park just nearby. She gave me a short blowjob WITHOUT condom and then jerked me off.
I'm a bit scared now. Do you think I've gotten any STDs? Does many of the street hookers have HIV? Do you think I should test myself for various STDs at a Shanghai Clinic or wait until I go home in little over two weeks?
Please answer quickly so that I can rest my mind a little.
I'm planning on being in Shanghai the night of January 13. If anyone is interested in getting some drinks and hitting a few spots let me know.
Fitz
Vista Sushi
12-15-08, 06:37
Arriving at the Hilton, security stopped us before we even hit the front door, and spoke very aggressively with her. She told me that they wanted to see her ID, and I asked if she had one. She said yes, but that she didn't want to show it since she wasn't a working girl. The Hilton, respecting the rule of law, although that doesn't appear to be important in most aspects of Chinese policing, was correct in asking for her ID. They would simply log it in their system. From what I understand they report this data to the Police, since everyone has to register their whereabouts in China. For hotel stayers, they do it at check-in by passing over our passports. For long-term folks, they have to register with the police regularly, which is an annoying process.
For her, I'm sure the implications were that she would be put into the database associated with a hotel room of a foreigner as yourself. After a few times (with others), assuming the best of the Shanghai PD, there would be a knock at the hotel door and she'd get arrested. Because it is China, a couple hundred RMB would make this go away. I can't imagine you getting caught up, but it could be embarrassing none-the-less.
To Avoid this altogether, do not stay at a western-branded hotel. Make sure to stay clear of executive floors that involve a second layer of scrutiny (or a swipe of the card to get in). Although the Hilton is good for WG action (and close proximity to SH), it is also under more scrutiny then most. I'd suggest staying at a Jin Jiang hotel (research will reveal others). I've had good luck with them. From what I have experienced most have FS saunas. Many also have KTVs when you go 3 star. So, although you don't get the meat market that is Huashan Lu, you can get it in other ways. And likely cheaper.
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Jimmyjohn2
12-15-08, 15:39
I'm going to be in Shanghai friday January 23 staying at the Hilton.
Anyone want to meet up for a beer and then hit some of the hot-spots?
Welcome to Shanghai. You have unfortunately picked a really bad time to be here - the 25th is Chinese Lunar New Year, and most of the working girls and bbs girls will be going home. Doesn't mean you won't find any action at all, but you will have to look a lot harder.
Also, I hope you enjoy the sound of firecrackers :) I won't be within 3000 miles of any big city in China for CNY; I can't stand the chaos, commotion, and loud war-time sounds
Jimmyjohn2
12-15-08, 17:01
Crap! Chinese new year I forgot about that. I would hope that some of the foreign ladies will still be available. Will the saunas (eg. Shanghai Hotel) be closed then too?
First punt: A fantastic time with Xianchi (sp) at JJs in Shanghai.
Having originally planned to revisit the Red Rope special at SH, I was confronted by the logic of others in this forum (why return to SH for some relatively expensive novelty value when there are other better options within walking distance nearby) and given that I had a bit of time up my sleave opted for a bit of exploration of Shanghai to locate JJ’s and give the service a try.
Not only was the venue easy to find, but the session with Xianchi (No. 33) was equally rewarding.
After a couple of weeks of abstinence, the line up was mind boggling, all cuties and all equally desirable, but from these mug punter’s eyes, No 33 was a standout. Tiny, but with everything in proportion Xianchi is blessed with a great body, a beautiful smile and a fantastic, tight, wet and neatly covered pussy (I do like a bit of soft pubic hair). She also has skills to match!
As described elsewhere the session consisted of a wet area scrub and body slide (fantastic fun), a lively romp on the bed and lots of kisses, cuddles and good fun in between.
I am no horse, but it does the ego wonders when someone is in awe of your dick and literally worships it for 1. 5 hours. At the same time, the opportunity to provide pleasure to someone with such a hot little body was also very gratifying. I have experienced plenty of false moaning in my time but the wetness, physical and verbal responsiveness was clearly genuine – here is someone that really enjoys what she does and what I was doing to her!
A great experience and outstanding value for money.
Punt 2: A very ordinary time with no name in Wuxi. Later the same day I was looking for nothing more than a top quality massage with a happy ending. I had deliberately booked a hotel with that listed sauna and massage on its website for this purpose only to find on checking in that it was being refurbished.
What to do? I wandered over the road to another hotel, nothing in the foyer indicating such a facility so I jumped into a lift to check out the listed floors. Nothing there either.
OK, on the way into town I noticed a couple of ‘spas’ near Maccas. So off I strolled enjoying the exercise even if nothing came to pass. 20 minutes later, the first spa seemed to be closed so I wandered into the next. Great agitation then ensued as I inquired at reception about a massage. Finally, the person who must have been the manager was summoned and in broken English stated, ". For woman"
"Yes, " I agreed.
"No, for women! " came the reply.
Realising that I had happened upon a legitimate spa for women, rather than a ‘spa’ which might offer ‘alternative’ services for men, I apologetically made my exit and retreated to the pavement.
As a last resort I hailed a cab and indicated ‘massage’ by pretending to manipulate my shoulders. With a knowing grunt, the taxi driver then proceeded to drive me to ‘Bar Street. ’ [as an aside, along the way we drove along Wuxi’s version of the red light district of Amsterdam. Although in this case the lighting was mauve rather than red! ]
Pulled up at the end of the street and as soon as I climbed out of the cab, was approached by a young lady. "Massage, " she inquired.
"Too right" says I. Big mistake!
Instead of cruising the street and sussing out the options as I normally would have, I followed the young lady into a dive of a ‘hotel’
Escorted into a room, followed by a pimp I was informed, "sex 800RMB".
"Too much! " was my reply, Particularly after I had had such a fantastic session with Xianchi earlier in the day for the same price.
As I made to leave the negotiations began. 500RMB became the settled price.
The girl duly arrives (ok, not as well proportioned, but nevertheless she did have lovely breasts). I was directed to strip and shower, on my own as it turned out and it was not a good sign. What proceeded from there was a very mechanical service. No kissing, no connection and so finished off pretty quickly.
A quick shower and in returns a different pimp with calculator. Starts clicking and showing me the screen as we go through 100RMB for room, ok, 400RMB for sex, ok 300RMB for mamasan fee. WTF!
"Bullshit" says I, the agree price was 500RMB. "Go get your mate"
The other pimp arrives and we all haggle but get nowhere. It soon becomes apparent that I am not going to get out of there without paying the full tote. So the their original price is paid and I walk out feeling cheated on two counts – a dud root at a dud price!
Punt 3 in Nanjing
Next city and still aspiring for a quality massage with a happy ending I head to the hotel sauna. Unfortunately, a great massage but no joy on the happy ending front. Strictly legitimate. So I head down the road looking for other options and happen upon the Ramada Plaza Hotel. A reconnoitre in the lift revealed the "XX(cannot remember) Springs" sauna on level 4, so up I went.
Usual procedure, gear off, shoes taken for a Polish and ushered into a shower. The ushering then continued (they must be used to westerners here seeking to 'cut to the chase' as I was not encouraged to partake in sauna or pools but ushered through a lounge into a room with no massage table but a bed and not much else). In comes No. 71. Tall for a Chinese girl, dressed in a Chinese gown revealing nothing but promising plenty with contours in all the right places.
Shorts and top removed and I was encouraged to lie face down while No 71 strips to here G string.
Cursory massage followed by a wonderful breast rub up and down my back legs and ass. Heaven. Having achieved a suitable level of arousal, No 71 jumps up and grabs a pen and paper from her little accessories bag and writes 998 on the paper, indicting the price for sex and oral. Too pricey I shake my head. Eventually we agree on 700 RMB for the HJ I was looking for.
No 71 then continues the same tease on my front. When her lovely breasts are close enough to my mouth I start giving here nipples a work over with my tongue. Some responsive moans suggest that this is appreciated so I keep pushing the envelope and push down her G-string and indicate my interest in licking her pussy. She quickly straddles my face and provides me with what starts out as a HJ but then transforms to a mix of HJ and BBBJ as I set to work with my tongue. I now regret not going for the FS as No 71 is going off like a fire cracker and as my tongue and occasionally probing finger finds, her pussy is really wet but also so so tight, hmm this would have been good!
Not to worry though, because we both enjoyed getting each other’s rocks off. She came first and all of a sudden could not handle my tongue anymore, her clit being too sensitive. This was the signal for me to come too. Lots of cooing greeted the flood of cum which exploded all over her hand and arm.
After a clean up and a lovely head massage, the rest of the session centred on kisses cuddles and our best efforts at small talk which was constrained by the obvious language barrier. I must have given No 71 a good time though, as during this time her hand kept straying to my cock to see if there was any life. I think she might have been looking for round 2 but I was spent.
Eventually headed back to the shower and out onto the streets. While the time spent at JJ’s the session with No 71 at Ramada Plaza certainly compensated for the waste of time and money in Bar Street in Wuxi.
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Eyebrow777
12-16-08, 02:22
Stop worrying, you're probably fine. I spent a good deal of time investigating STD risks earlier in the year and the risk of catching something from a BBBJ, while not zero, is pretty low. HIV risk: Very very very close to zero. No documented cases afaik. Slightly higher risk of catching some other viral infection (HPV, HSV).
Significantly higher (but still relatively low) risk from catching some sort of bacterial infection.
Some of the guys here who get BBBJ from multiple P4P girls for months on end have reported never having a problem. But there are a few exceptions, the most common being one of the bacterial infections.
STD help forum with questions almost exactly like yours:
http://www.medhelp.org********show/116
Here is an std risk chart that is informative:
http://www.sfcityclinic.org/stdbasics/stdchart.asp
EB
I ususally don't do hookers. But yesterday I screwed up big time.
I was walking home alone drunk from a party close to Plaza 66. Three prostitutes were standing there and one of them walked up to me. Drunk as I was, she convinced me to follow her for a "massage". We went into a shady park just nearby. She gave me a short blowjob WITHOUT condom and then jerked me off.
I'm a bit scared now. Do you think I've gotten any STDs? Does many of the street hookers have HIV? Do you think I should test myself for various STDs at a Shanghai Clinic or wait until I go home in little over two weeks?
Please answer quickly so that I can rest my mind a little.
Welcome to Shanghai. You have unfortunately picked a really bad time to be here - the 25th is Chinese Lunar New Year, and most of the working girls and bbs girls will be going home. Doesn't mean you won't find any action at all, but you will have to look a lot harder.
Also, I hope you enjoy the sound of firecrackers :) I won't be within 3000 miles of any big city in China for CNY; I can't stand the chaos, commotion, and loud war-time soundsSo is there much action the week before Chinese New Year, like from Jan 18 till like Jan 26?
Thanks
Welcome to Shanghai. You have unfortunately picked a really bad time to be here - the 25th is Chinese Lunar New Year, and most of the working girls and bbs girls will be going home. Doesn't mean you won't find any action at all, but you will have to look a lot harder.Is this true? I am going to be there over that weekend (Sat-Wed). Am I going to be out of luck if I go to a hotel and order a massage up in my room from the in house sauna?
(BTW, are ALL Saunas full service or do I have to worry about my hotel's sauna being HJ only?)
Thanks
Hitech Plaza and the Shanghai Hotel were on my to do list. I opted for Hi-Tech Plaza this time. Walked up to the entrance on the right side of the round glass building, elevator to the 5th floor I think brings you right into the entrance of the sauna. I gave directions in a previous post.
At 11:30AM there were 2 other customers there, typical locker/shower stuff, nice facilities. I was then brought into a fairly dark room where the masseuse met me a few minutes later. I was not asked to choose from a line up, she came and asked if she was OK, very slim, small breasts, why not.
Massage was followed by a tongue bath, CBJ and then missionary. Besides the tongue bath, which was nice, it was more of a mechanical experience and I caught her watching the clock on the wall a few times. All in all an OK experience for 900 RMB (1 hour) but I will try the red rope at the Shanghai hotel next time.
The Hilton, respecting the rule of law, although that doesn't appear to be important in most aspects of Chinese policing, was correct in asking for her ID. They would simply log it in their system. From what I understand they report this data to the Police, since everyone has to register their whereabouts in China. For hotel stayers, they do it at check-in by passing over our passports. For long-term folks, they have to register with the police regularly, which is an annoying process.
For her, I'm sure the implications were that she would be put into the database associated with a hotel room of a foreigner as yourself. After a few times (with others), assuming the best of the Shanghai PD, there would be a knock at the hotel door and she'd get arrested. Because it is China, a couple hundred RMB would make this go away. I can't imagine you getting caught up, but it could be embarrassing none-the-less.
To Avoid this altogether, do not stay at a western-branded hotel. Make sure to stay clear of executive floors that involve a second layer of scrutiny (or a swipe of the card to get in). Although the Hilton is good for WG action (and close proximity to SH), it is also under more scrutiny then most. I'd suggest staying at a Jin Jiang hotel (research will reveal others). I've had good luck with them. From what I have experienced most have FS saunas. Many also have KTVs when you go 3 star. So, although you don't get the meat market that is Huashan Lu, you can get it in other ways. And likely cheaper.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.I stayed at the Regal International East Asia in Hengshan Lu. NO problem at all with the ladies visiting ie they were not asked for ID etc even when they arrived alone and then came up to my room ie I was not on the Exec floor which requires a card access.
Good hotel. I have stayed there 2 or 3 times now.
Galinsoga
I know people are going to ask me to search the forum but I did various searches and cannot find any information in terms of JJ's sauna prices. I hope someone can help me with that.
Oh BTW I'd be in SH between 21st and 24th. Also 29th to the 3rd anyone interested in going to a KTV club thing? I am Chinese. Actually I was born in shanghai. Fluent in english, madarin and shanghainese It just doesn't make sense to go to a KTV thing since I am traveling alone. I'd be glad to provide any translation service while at it.
Thank you all.
I was in Shanghai for a few days last week and paid my respect to the legendary Shanghai Hotel. It was a good experience, and a bit different from what I’d read on the Internet (including this site as well as some other Chinese and Hong Kong websites). The main thing is that I always thought that this was a dry place, with no soapy bath on offer. In reality, I got a soapy bath treatment. There were also some interesting services in the lounge.
I got to the hotel in mid-afternoon on a weekday, and went up to the third floor (if my memory is correct). Went through the standard procedures of undressing, putting my stuff in the locker, and taking a shower. I declined a rub-down by the masseur, and wouldn’t allow the waiter to dry my body. Went out to the lounge, and was ushered right away to the massage area. I went through a long corridor and came to the masseuses’ room. About 15-20 girls were standing along the walls inside the room, which probably measured 20-30 square meters. I stood by the door and took a quick glance, which gave me an impression that there were few stunners but several older women (approaching 30 years of age, if not over). Then I looked at them again slowly, one by one, and confirmed my earlier view that there were not that many attractive girls. Several were quite good looking, but I suspected their tits were smaller than they appeared to be. (Yes, I confess, I’m a tits man). There were several girls with big tits, but they seemed either too old or too ugly. Midway through all this, a girl in the corner caught my attention – she was trying very hard to avoid eye contacts with me. It was obvious that she had a great body, but her long hair partially covered her face. After several rounds of inspection I decided that her look was okay. Finally, I decided to have her, number 29, with the last name of Han.
She came forward, took my hand and led me to my massage room. (She later explained that she had avoided eye contacts with me because she wanted to have some snacks). Then she went to fetch her tools. The room was rather small, with a massage bed in the middle and a cupboard at a corner. There were huge mirrors on the three walls, and handle bars were fixed at the ceiling. When Han came back I commented that the room was rather basic, and that I always preferred a suite with shower facilities. She seemed a bit surprised, and said that their VIP rooms were equipped with shower and soapy bath facilities. I was greatly encouraged, and after confirming that she would do the water treatment for me, I decided to upgrade to a “wet rub” for 800 yuan, from a “dry rub” (600 something? I forgot).
Han took me out, and we went half way back where I came front until we arrived at a staircase that led downstairs, something that I had totally missed when I came in. We got to the second floor, and there was a long corridor (wider than the one upstairs) with a number of rooms on either side. We took room 9, which consisted of two parts. The front session had a king-sized bed in the middle, and handle bars fixed at the ceiling. Inside, behind a glass wall, there was the shower room where a massage table stood in the middle.
After setting the shower room up, Han undressed me, removed her clothes, and led me into the shower room for the water treatment. I sat on a plastic stool which was hollowed out in the middle to give access to one's backdoor, and she proceeded to wash me thoroughly, rubbing me with her tits and ass every now and then. Then we moved to the massage bed, which she covered with a plastic sheet for hygienic purpose. It was time for body massage, which was done with the aid of a soapy liquid that she poured on me and her body. Unfortunately, she didn’t do cat bath and ass rimming during the wet massage. Does any brother know of any Shanghai establishment that offers these services in the wet massage?
After drying up, we moved to the bed and she did the standard procedure of cat bath and ass rimming. This was followed by the red rope tricks. I particularly enjoyed the game of “the fairy sprinkles flowers”, whereby she sat on the red rope, flipped herself over upside down, and then did a blow job on me while she twisted the rope with her legs. After several turns (which must have been quite hard work) she let loose her legs and her whole body then spun round and round, her lips still firmly on my dick. The swirling effect on my little brother was quite sensational.
Finally, it was time for the real thing. I didn’t fancy doing it on the red rope because it was too much trouble. I kept it simple, using the good old missionary position, because it allowed me to kiss and play with her nice tits freely. Sex with her was great, though she was a bit mechanical in her services. Still, I would recommend her because of her great body and easy-going personality.
After the deed we washed, and time (80 minutes for wet rub, but 60 minutes for dry rub) was up. I went out to the lounge to take a rest, and sat in a single-seated sofa by the wall. Within a minute a girl in a long evening dress came and asked if I wanted an ear massage.
I agreed, and she made me lean as flat as possible on the sofa. She then sat beside me on my right, and leaned backward so that we were practically sleeping together on the sofa, our bodies tightly pressed against each other. Naturally, my hand was on her hips. (Subsequently, my hand would wander around her ass, but with waiters/waitresses and other customers around, I thought it was too rude to fondle her breasts publicly). She then took out her tool, an ear pick with a tiny little light that allowed her to see clearly into my ear canal, and started to clean up my ear. After the cleaning, she took a hugely fluffy cotton bud, and gently tickled my ear canal. This was followed by her blowing hot air into my ear, and the procedure was complete with a massage of my ear. She did the right side first, and repeated the same on the left side.
The ear massage done, she asked if I would like to have my head and shoulders massaged. I thought that would be a good idea, and she made up sit up front, by the edge of the sofa. She then climbed behind me, and although I couldn’t see exactly what she did, it was evident that she sat right behind me, her legs straddling my body, and her dress pulled up to reveal most if not all of her thighs. Then she pulled me back towards her, so that I was leaning on her body completely, my head probably resting on her tits. (I’m not entirely sure because her tits were rather small). She then proceeded with the head and shoulders massage. It was okay and fun, certainly something I had never seen before, though it was not a really serious professional massage.
The whole package probably cost me 200 something yuan, I don’t remember the exact amount. After the ear massage girl was gone, another smallish girl in short skirts and blouse (vaguely resembling a school uniform) came and asked if I wanted to do foot massage. Again, I agreed, and she promptly started work. From my feet, she worked her way up my legs and eventually my thighs. Naturally, she went on to explore my dick, and then suggested that she could relief my tension for an additional 150 yuan (the foot massage itself was 200 yuan). I said fine, and she suggested that we moved to a more secluded section of the lounge.
As I followed her around, I realized that at either end of the rectangular lounge were two small sections, each partitioned off from the main section by a wooden panel, on which a flat-screen TV was hung. Inside this secluded section were three single-seat sofas, just like those in the main section. But it was much darker there. As I sat down, my masseuse took my pants off, and proceeded to give me a handjob. I leaned back to relax, but after a long while I decided that I needed more stimulus before I could come. So I sat up and unbuttoned my girl’s blouse. She put up a weak resistance, but eventually allowed me to fondle and kiss her tits, though she would not take off her clothes. I didn’t try to attack the lower part of her body, but I suppose that if I was sufficiently nice to her I could have some additional fun.
Finally, I shot my load, and she cleaned me up with some tissue paper. Then I went off to take a shower. Total damage was about 1,400 yuan, for more than three hours of fun and relaxation. I think it was well worth the money, especially because the place (in particular the VIP suite, though the dry massage room seemed a bit tired) was clean and well maintained.
Someone in a Hong Kong website claimed that he had his ear and foot massages at the same time, in the secluded section. I suppose that would be quite fun, though it might be a bit too much to handle two girls at the same time in seated position.
I know people are going to ask me to search the forum but I did various searches and cannot find any information in terms of JJ's sauna prices. I hope someone can help me with that.
Oh BTW I'd be in SH between 21st and 24th. Also 29th to the 3rd anyone interested in going to a KTV club thing? I am Chinese. Actually I was born in shanghai. Fluent in english, madarin and shanghainese It just doesn't make sense to go to a KTV thing since I am traveling alone. I'd be glad to provide any translation service while at it.
Thank you all.See my recent report 4321 which indicates 800RMB for a session at JJs.
Outstanding value IMHO
TDs
Finally, I shot my load, and she cleaned me up with some tissue paper. Then I went off to take a shower. Total damage was about 1,400 yuan, for more than three hours of fun and relaxation. I think it was well worth the money, especially because the place (in particular the VIP suite, though the dry massage room seemed a bit tired) was clean and well maintained.
Someone in a Hong Kong website claimed that he had his ear and foot massages at the same time, in the secluded section. I suppose that would be quite fun, though it might be a bit too much to handle two girls at the same time in seated position.
Glad to read that you enjoyed your experience. I too had the experience of trying out the foot massage in the secluded area, and you can opt for both foot and ear massage. Personally, I would rather enjoy each part separately. Kind of awkward to have both going on. You may want to try having your after action activities in the private massage room near the lounge next time. Cheers
Playboy2000
12-19-08, 23:02
Went to the naked KTV as outlined in classic post 4722. Or was it 4772?
Called the number, got the address, went there with 3 other guys. Exactly as reported, a great time was had, partied till 5am (although this is not the norm, we got there late, it was slow, and we were the last one to leave so I think they made an allowance for us). Girls get naked, you can dance with them, party with them, touch them on the outside.
I have searched through this thread, and haven't been able to find a post 4722, or 4772, any phone number. Can someone point to the "classic post" Ghirz is talking about. Thanks
Hello Gents,
I know this is a little last minute, but I find myself "stuck" in Shanghai on a Saturday. I know that there is much to do, and I have studied the forum, but I thought I would see if any of the locals or other seasoned vets would mind a Shanghai newbie tagging along. I live in So China (for a few months now), so I a little familiar with that scene. I have experience in other parts of the world, but not Shanghai.
Drop me a note, PM or whatever and I will try to find a way to catch up. I am staying in Pudong, if that matters at all. Thanks in advance!
Sky
Hello Gents,
I know this is a little last minute, but I find myself "stuck" in Shanghai on a Saturday. I know that there is much to do, and I have studied the forum, but I thought I would see if any of the locals or other seasoned vets would mind a Shanghai newbie tagging along. I live in So China (for a few months now), so I a little familiar with that scene. I have experience in other parts of the world, but not Shanghai.
Drop me a note, PM or whatever and I will try to find a way to catch up. I am staying in Pudong, if that matters at all. Thanks in advance!
Sky
Pudong has quite a few options at walking distance...:)
unless you are looking for a wingman, opportunities are sufficient to keep you busy the whole weekend
World Guy Sh
12-21-08, 07:28
Social Stuff and 'Services'
Night out with Sky Ryder in good old Shanghai last night. Some food to chew over the cud and plan activities and then, as he was new in town, a bit of sightseeing. You know, XTD and a couple of rip off joints girl wise.
One girl in XTD caught our eye. She was loitering outside the BEA cash dispenser. Joy, from Xiamen. Have card: Translation, Tour Guide, Travel Arrangement, In Hotel Massage. Nice list.
Do They Know It’s Christmas?
Ah, TRL. The alley of iniquity and vice. Or just bad bars and overpriced drinks. Head to Red Beat. Chaps, this bar is worth looking up. The band is great – especially when they have all three girls there. A great sound, good place to talk and grab a beer and a good mixed crowd.
Mei You Pinays
Well, the Philippines girls certainly know it is Christmas. They have headed home in droves. Manhattan was very quiet for 12.30 on a Saturday. A few lurking down the back but have been replaced by a large number of Chinese girls. Go now if they are your thing. Still I find the Chinese girls much more pushy and up front.
One very cute girl caught my eye and came and chatted but, man, give it a rest will you? Relax and chat. Then we’ll know if we want to go. She wouldn’t stop posturing so moved her on. She seemed to have the same effect with everyone she spoke to. She left, alone, around 2.30.
My wingman found his choice for the evening and left. So WGS was left to wander. A petite Pinay had caught my eye, but 3am, 1000LT just was not happening for me. I was topping out at 800. Some other night. Number is locked and loaded. So another walk around and end up chatting to a Chinese girl, only she is not. Well, it depends on your politics as she came from across the straits. Chat and dance and finally decide to go with it. 800LT. Very LT. She is still in my bed as I type.
She is fun and fussy at the same time. And not so young, my second of the week. WGS is obviously getting old.
Pricing
In recent weeks, opening prices have been 800RMB from the Thrillers from Manila. Down from the 1500-1000 normally quoted. The Chinese girls seem to be pushing this up. Or trying to. Fewer guys are in town and going through TRL – so the girls say. Sundays to Tuesdays are very quiet. You never know, you may get a bargain.
WGS
One of the most bizarre things I have come across in China (and there have been a few) is a topless ladyboy dancing on the bar in Judy's, as seen on Friday night. Gets around the law I guess.
Some cuts Philipinas in Manhattan but nothing stunning. They were insisting on RMB1500 but as I will be heading there next month there was no way I was going over 1000. They finally came down to 1000 at about 2am via SMS but by then I was tired and on my way back to my hotel. Got to draw the line somewhere!
Anyone know what the "Gentlemen Club" in blue lights on the corner of Xikang Lu and Wuding Lu is?
RickyMonger
12-21-08, 08:43
I live about 3 minutes walk from Nanjing Lu and have done for a year now. Got caught by a couple of different scams about 2 years back so are now very aware. All these touts on Nanjing Lu are the same, just a different angle to the scam. They all lead in the same direction, coffee shop above KFC, any number of KTV bars dotted around and a couple of bars on Hankou Lu.
Don't bother with pics on here, the crop of touts changes nearly daily, believe me I walk up and down there a couple of times a day and usually a walk around 10pm as well. "watch, handbag. Massage" in the day, " massage, lady, sex" in the evening. My reply. Bu yao. 1st fan ce la 2nd mah ga da be last.
I have spent so much time trying to think of a strategy to scam the scammer, only problem is they have no money. Dam it.
Oh by the way, watch out for LiLi on Nanjing Lu, real good looker from Guangzhou about20 and hangs with an older woman about 40 normally from about 8pm at night. She is a hotty and very clever. Beware.
Our brother WooVictor writes at length about the handjob and ear cleaning he got at the Shanghai Hotel sauna. Intransit will write less about more.
Had a double-fly with #81, a cute Sichuan girl with nice tits and tight pussy, and #77, whose body isn't quite as nice but has a very modelesque face. Both were very sweet, 77 is more naughty, 81 is sexier. One girl full service is 750 RMB, add a second for an extra 400. That price included soft drinks before and after the deed.
I would still pick Shanghai Hotel as the red rope experience of choice, although for people new to the sauna/red rope world, perhaps 999 is better. The girls aren't as good looking but the massage begins with a showering and soapy massage before graduating to the bedroom, for red rope et al.
Colder than fuck tonight in Shanghai, was nice to have a trip to the sauna to take the edge off.
Matthi Fre
12-21-08, 20:17
Hallo,
I am new here at in the first day's of the new year I will have my first trip to China.
I stay in the Ramada Plaza Nanjing Road which seems to be a little bit a dangerous area at night.
Does someone know nice places to meet girls or a Sauna with FS near to the Hotel in walking distance?
Wirh a taxi, I understood that the Tong Ren Road is a good place to go?
Thank you very much for help!
Best regards Matthi
Well I really screwed the pooch on this one. I wondered why this post didn't show up on the forum. Well it was because I posted it on the wrong forum!!
Oh well that's what happens when you don't get laid on a regular basis!
I did have a great time last Saturday and here is the story....a couple of days late!
Great first night in Shanghai
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Let me start by saying a big thanks to World Travler SH for his hospitiaity. We started the evening by having a great dinner at a local restaurant. Then headed off to start with cocktails at a bar called Rendezvous, where we saw a "marignal" Pinay band. The funny thing was we hadn't been in the place for more than 5 mins. when a couple of girls came over and offered to let us buy them a drink. I kind of chuckled to myself thinking that didn't take long and it didn't look like a traditional "chica" bar. (I have to find the Mandarin equal phrase for Chica), and although there was some nice scenery decided to move on to a bar called Red Beat. A one word description of the band in this place.....WOW! It is lead by three hot little Pinay's and the musicians backing them up are good as well. The smallest of the three gals has a voice that is off the hook! We listened to two sets and if there had been any available gals at all in the bar I would have stayed much longer!
We left and went into Manhattan, WT's first comment to me was "where are all the Pinay's" and he said he was surprised it wasn't more crowded. Being that is was my first visit I had no point of reference, but there weren't a lot of stunners. I guess I was expecting something on par with Fenwick's in HK, but not this night. We walked back to Judy's and it was worse, so back to Manhattan's. Found a great table and were approached almost instantly by a couple of gals. One was cute, but WAY too aggressive and took herslef out of the running. After about an hour or so, I noticed this curvy Chinese walk by and give me the eye. She was not the typical Chinese thin look, but had hips and "real" breasts. Just my type, and was somewhat demure as well. She gave me a bit of a shy look and since there was another girl occupying my time didn't approach. I shed the hanger on and motioned the object of my intentions over. Her name is Coco and after about 5 mins of conversation I knew she was the one for the night. We chatted for a few minutes and then decided to leave. She hadn't made any comment about money, and I decided not to bring it up. A bit of a gamble on my part, which almost was a mistake, but I had a good feeling about her.
Once back at the hotel, my inclinations turned out correct, she was the first really passionate Chinese gal I have met. Just as things were started to heat up, she asked me if I knew she needed money, I told yes and she said to me, "I trust you" and that was the end of the conversation.
Her oral skills were great and she was an active participant in all ways and appreared to enjoy the time as much as I did.
We went to sleep, enjoyed a hot chocolate this morning then she got ready to leave. That is when things got a little tense, I gave her 700 RMB plus taxi since it was a long way back into town. She did one of the things I really hate and counted the money in front of me and asked "Why you give me small money?" I replied that I thought it was the normal amount, she said for LT it was normal to pay 1200-1500. I had read the forum, but wasn't for sure if she was correct or not. I did have a great time, so I coughed up another 300 for 1000 total and she seemed at least placated. I have gone back a few weeks on this forum to see what the average fare is for LT and am still a little fuzzy on the exact fare.
I had a great time and will most likely call this lady again, but make sure we have an agreement on money before she shows up.
I have another night in Shanghai, so another opportunity awaits!!
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I live about 3 minutes walk from Nanjing Lu and have done for a year now. Got caught by a couple of different scams about 2 years back so are now very aware. All these touts on Nanjing Lu are the same, just a different angle to the scam. They all lead in the same direction, coffee shop above KFC, any number of KTV bars dotted around and a couple of bars on Hankou Lu.
Don't bother with pics on here, the crop of touts changes nearly daily, believe me I walk up and down there a couple of times a day and usually a walk around 10pm as well. "watch, handbag. Massage" in the day, " massage, lady, sex" in the evening. My reply. Bu yao. 1st fan ce la 2nd mah ga da be last.
I have spent so much time trying to think of a strategy to scam the scammer, only problem is they have no money. Dam it.
Oh by the way, watch out for LiLi on Nanjing Lu, real good looker from Guangzhou about20 and hangs with an older woman about 40 normally from about 8pm at night. She is a hotty and very clever. Beware.
I remember my first night in Shanghai in 2004. I made the mistake of following two girls to a coffee shop, fruit was brought out, large bill, i.e. the usual scam. I gave RMB100 but said that I did not have enough money on me to pay the full bill, and could a manager come with me back to my hotel to collect money. They agreed, the girls left to find the next sucker and one man followed me around the streets to my hotel. Or so he thought. I walked around well populated streets with him in tow for 45 minutes (which I do whenever I arrive in a new city anyway in order to learn my way around), before declaring that I was "lost" and could not remember where my hotel was. He called his boss and handed me the phone, the boss then tried scolding me for ripping him off! Anyway being on a crowded street and only one of them against one of me there was nothing they could do, so they gave up.
Ander Jeff
12-28-08, 17:44
Sat. Night around 1:30 am onwards.
Wanted to know about this chic (or was it a shemale) she sat at the bar and face was very pretty and great tits but was not very sure about her. She was talking to this one south american dude, found out later he was from guatamala. This girl had a great face but something was not right. So those regular dudes who visit judys at tongren lu might know about this.
Plus later on it was so funny this one Russian came in with a Chinese dude. She was drunk as hell and was out of control. Me and this other guatamalan were standing at the bar and she started foldling us and even gave a kiss. She was drunk as hell. I think the Chinese dude did not like it at all as she was with him for the night. So anyways they stayed for a bit and left. But my main question is anyone knows about this other chic.
Wanted to know about this chic (or was it a shemale) she sat at the bar and face was very pretty and great tits but was not very sure about her. She was talking to this one south american dude, found out later he was from guatamala. This girl had a great face but something was not right. So those regular dudes who visit judys at tongren lu might know about this.
Did you get her name? Chinese? Pinay? Hair style? Dress? Throw us a bone here, AJ! :)
Ander Jeff
12-29-08, 11:26
Did you get her name? Chinese? Pinay? Hair style? Dress? Throw us a bone here, AJ! :)Well I did not talk to her actually the guatamalan guy talked to her and I was going to approach her once he was finished with her. But she left the bar and when I enquired from him he was not sure about her. As he had refused her making an excuse as she was inviting him to take her on.
She was wearing a low cut blouse with low cleavage, could see half the tits as the cleavage was way low (half her stomach was showing). Her lower pants might be some sort of sweat pant material. Her hair was long silky and she had a perfect nose (must be a nose job). Id say about 5 feet 5 to 5feet 7 inches tall.
Ander Jeff
12-29-08, 11:26
Did you get her name? Chinese? Pinay? Hair style? Dress? Throw us a bone here, AJ! :)Well I did not talk to her actually the guatamalan guy talked to her and I was going to approach her once he was finished with her. But she left the bar and when I enquired from him he was not sure about her. As he had refused her making an excuse as she was inviting him to take her on.
She was wearing a low cut blouse with low cleavage, could see half the tits as the cleavage was way low (half her stomach was showing). Her lower pants might be some sort of sweat pant material. Her hair was long silky and she had a perfect nose (must be a nose job). Id say about 5 feet 5 to 5feet 6 inches tall.
But I think usually do not have a big ass. Her ass was kind of big compared to the rest of the body. So just wanted to know as I don't go to judys so regulars might know about her
Ander Jeff
12-29-08, 11:33
Did you get her name? Chinese? Pinay? Hair style? Dress? Throw us a bone here, AJ! :)Plus I think she was Thai or Pinay.
I know people are going to ask me to search the forum but I did various searches and cannot find any information in terms of JJ's sauna prices. I hope someone can help me with that.
Oh BTW I'd be in SH between 21st and 24th. Also 29th to the 3rd anyone interested in going to a KTV club thing? I am Chinese. Actually I was born in shanghai. Fluent in english, madarin and shanghainese It just doesn't make sense to go to a KTV thing since I am traveling alone. I'd be glad to provide any translation service while at it.
Thank you all.I have been there several times (see my reports), but cannot remember the price exactly. I think it is 700, and 20 for a beer.
Mistakenly posted this in the Shanghai hotels thread so here I go again :)
First off I would like to thank all posters in this forum. I have found some very useful information.
I am going to work in Shanghai for some time and wonder if and in that case were I can find good service levels like I’m used to in FKK clubs in Germany. I’m thinking about BBBJ and high possibility for DFK, but also the option to finish CIM. Are saunas like SH and World Plaza my best bet?
Plus I think she was Thai or Pinay.
Other than that, sounds like Marishka, a Kazachka I've seen on TRL a few times. Her body is amazing, and face very beautiful too. But she's very pushy.
ApplePolish
12-30-08, 12:42
All,
I have been a member for a few year with ISG although more passive in writing reports.
I am based in India but have visited Shanghai a few times, mostly on work. ISG has been helpful in my activities in India, as well as other parts of the world largely in Mainland Europe, UK, and Thailand. I must say that the China forum is possibly the most active and informative.
My mongering activities have been limited to the Bars in Nanjing Lu, and the Shanghai Hotel. However the best time I had was last year at a Sauna at Huai Hai road, a couple of blocks down Hong Kong Plaza service apartments. The Sauna is on the 8th floor with a KTV I think in the 9th floor. The KTV is quite opulent and charges are steep as well. I being a lone warrior had decided against the KTV and went to the Sauna instead. It’s easy to find the building as it has the KTV signs, and it's on the main Huai hai rd. The lady at the reception new no English but armed with ISG knowledge of other saunas I just choose the most expensive item in the menu she waved at me. The sauna was nice, the pool had the entire wall as one way glass overlooking the Shanghai skyline in the evening. The massage was in the inside rooms, the rooms were small, but clean and bright light (which I prefer). The girl was 5ft 8, slim and smiling but didn’t know English. I am quite shy myself and don’t talk too much, so it suite me fine. Her massage was brilliant, she took her time, and we spent more that the allocated 1 hour, there was however no FS on offer (I went there again albeit with other girl and I didn’t get FS again, so I guess it’s offered there).
Round one I got excellent fire and ice, and then for round two she did something that I haven’t encountered before. She put oil on the back of her knees (did I mention she has sexy slim legs), put her one of legs around and encapsulated by member in the joint between her knee, and started moving her leg up and down is a smooth motion giving me what I can only call a leg job, the best part was that while she was moving her legs up and down, I could she her shaved pussy open up and close in the same rhythm. It was heavenly.
Anyways to summarize:
Cost: 860 RMB
Attitude: 9
Skill: 9
Face: 7
Body: 9
Legs: 10
I am coming back again for some work in January but I also wanted to take a few days off and travel to Beijing, see the Forbidden City and the great wall. Since I can only travel for 5-6 days from 25 Jan onwards which I understand is festival time. Are there any do’s and don’t for festival time? Any tips would be much appreciated.
Thanks,
Applepolish
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Do any of you know the saunas where the girls are on the younger side?
(I mean under 20, no laws breaking or something.)
Thanks,
TL1
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