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Goreng Pisang
12-12-07, 03:21
Hello everyone,

Here I am at CP. 2nd day now and 3 more to go!! Will give you guys a report when I'm back home. A report from a Asian's point of view.

Anyone wanna join me these 2 nights for KTV? PM me if you are interested.

CPE, thanks for the info. Wanna PM me your contact and have a drink?

Cheers

Goreng Pisang

OldAsiaHand
12-12-07, 04:56
What's even worse, afterwards, she asked for 300 for the bellboy. WTF? ! ? I told her I would pay him directly later. What would happen if I don't pay him? What do the veteran mongers suggest that should do?


Nakameguro97,

Great report!

The bellboy gets his cut from what you paid the girl. It is not necessary to give him anything. The 600 RMB ST was a bit on the high side for this type of delivery service. You could have probably negotiated 200-300 RMB inclusive since BBS delivery action would be 150-200 RMB.

Just my POV.

OAH

Wadman
12-12-07, 08:57
*cough*, *cough*

ahum, OAH, the report does say that Nakameguro was staying in the Goodview hotel in Tangxia, which is a 5/6 star hotel. Assuming they really got him a regular KTV girl (and not a BBS girl from a nearby shop), the price seems about right. KTV girls are 2-5-8, maybe higher at Goodview. And the bellboy needs his cut.

Agreed though that the requested 300 rmb tip for the bellboy is pure BS. As OAH pointed out, he gets his cut from the girl-fee already. You may want to tip him 50/100 rmb if you want to keep him on your good side, and make him run all kinds of errands for you.




Nakameguro97,

Great report!

The bellboy gets his cut from what you paid the girl. It is not necessary to give him anything. The 600 RMB ST was a bit on the high side for this type of delivery service. You could have probably negotiated 200-300 RMB inclusive since BBS delivery action would be 150-200 RMB.

Just my POV.

OAH

SE Asia Joe
12-12-07, 09:18
Dan,
300 hall of girls, my god, I'd really like to see that. Anyone could take a discreet photo and post here her ? That must be an amazing scene !
I never witnessed anything like this, even in Thailand.
Thanks
OK - a couple blurry photos taken with my phone camera. Ain't much but better than nuthin?
Se Asia

AsnDragon
12-12-07, 11:14
I'm glad to hear that the nightmarket is back to normal. How about the Yalan Humei area?

A few months back, there was another crackdown of some sorts as well. But that was mostly Police trying to catch and deter the motorcycles from riding into downtown area. In addition, catching those "bread" cars.

It seems a bit early this year, considering they usually crack down closer to Chinese New years.

So is the action back on track?


Ooops - the links deformed the page, sorry about that.

FYI everything back to normal at the night market. Even late last night (1:30 am) things were back in gear it seems. The police car was still around but that didn't deter the mommies nor the girls from showing up and the selection was quite decent.

Tonight got an excellent one from there at around 12:30, right under the nose of 2 cops in their police car. I'll post some pics if there's an option for posting more than one at a time on this site.

AsnDragon
12-12-07, 11:41
Se Joe,

Is this at Jia Yi? I can't really tell. But it seems a bit too bright for Jia Yi KTV.

There's lots of these KTVs with hundreds of girls, but quality really isn't there though. There's a fellow monger bro in Xiamen, who's been to the supposed "biggest KTV" which claims to house 1000 girls, but in reality 800 at best. Opened by some triad guy.

But I prefer quality over quantity. Except, it feels really good to walk through those halls and have all those girls greet you though. That feeling of pure bliss is indescribable.

SE Joe--good job. With the pics, even though it's blurry, the image just reminds me to move my plane flight earlier back to CP.


OK - a couple blurry photos taken with my phone camera. Ain't much but better than nuthin?
Se Asia

Pointpanic
12-12-07, 14:17
SE Asia Joe,

Nice camera work. Your first pic gives the true essence of our favorite Recreation Center after half the girls have been picked and your second looks to be towards the end of the selection with the remainder of the four lines now against the wall at some time probably after 8 pm. Lets hope your photos don't end up in some newspaper but then again they are just nice KTV hostesses! hehehe.

Way to go Joe!

WaikikiBob


OK - a couple blurry photos taken with my phone camera. Ain't much but better than nuthin?
Se Asia

Old Mean Dog
12-12-07, 16:54
OK - a couple blurry photos taken with my phone camera. Ain't much but better than nuthin?
Se Asia

That dude in the red shirt (even with the little black cloud for a face) has been seen all over CP. Recommend he buy a few other color t-shirts so he is not so recognizable.

Side note on a couple of KTV's I have been to recently:

The Virgin to me, kinda sucks ass. The rooms are ok, think ours was around 1100 rmb, but the quality of girls was lame. I will admit I did a lineup on a Friday around 8, so that was my bad, but the ones left over, I wouldn't have even paid 200 for.

Miraton KTV: Nice Rooms, good service, but once again, after running through about 50 gals, none were real stunners and to top it off, one of the guys in the party, choose a girl who was/is a BBS girl! I know, becuase I have banged her before. So, either her pussy cost 300 more that night, or they are now hiring locals from the shops to increase their inventory. Anyway, 200 sit down fee I did, but felt it was a waste of money to take average jill home.

My PoV,
-CPE

Nakameguro97
12-12-07, 19:34
Thx to OAH and Wadman for their generous input. Turns out that Wadman's insight was on the mark. I saw that tricky little wench at the KTV late tonite. Getting a little bored after 11PM, I went down to the KTV bar for a Tsingtao. As expected, mostly duds, but I did see some mongers with hotties, but that just confirms what RTFF has shown over and over again: you have to be there before 7PM to catch the hotties.

But I'm writing ahead of myself. Turn the clock back eight hours or so. After being thoroughly drained by last night's session at the Tangxia Goodview Sauna, I decided to get a body scrub, a facial (to make the gf happy), and a legit massage at the SPA so I'd have some stories to tell and not raise any suspicions "at home". A small distinction to correct yesterday's post: the SAUNA is actually on 1F and 2F, while the SPA is on 2F. You know you are at the SAUNA (monger land) when you see a short list of RMB398 prices for various rooms. The SPA is where you bring your real gf to do Julie's Premium Aromatherapy Massage for 680 or the Firming Body Wrap Treatment for 380. Of course, if you have balls of steel, you can SIMULTANEOUSLY send her to the Heartfelt Experience in the SPA for 1080, lasting 210 minutes on 2F while you sneak yourself down onto 1F SAUNA for your own COCKfelt Experience with a 17yo from Harbin for a blissful 898 120min session. But my< balls ain't that big. Where else can you make your gf happy at the same time as you fill your desires SEPARATELY? ! ? But I take no responsibility if the gf's so happy later on that she wants to pay you back and can't figure why she can't get you hard.

After around 3 hours at ths SPA, I befriended the 5. 5 masseuse (not worth the chase) named Amy and asked her to have dinner outside the Goodview as I was getting a little bored after two days. Earlier in the morning, I did take the hotel bus to Tangxia's Zhangmutou Station, but the stench and dirtiness was so bad that I had to take the same bus back after a 15min walk. It was just a nasty area. Felt like the BBS area behind Seibu in Shenzhen except this was in the wide open with garbage everywhere and puddles of who-knows-what (I certainly don't want to know) creating an inescapable stench. No, we are not at the Goodview any more.

Back to the Tour-de-Tangxia. Amy and I ended up going to a Korean Yakiniku place about a 15min ride from Goodview and had some Cold Noodles and Kimchi fried rice with our Yakiniku. Being well aware of the hazards of eating in China, I asked her to bring to me to a clean place. This one had a Japanese boss, so I figured it shouldn't be too bad. After dinner, we walked along a street called Hua Yuen Shin Tsei? . Apologies. Can't type in pingyin so I'm typing in Kanji that second character should have the Yuen/money character inside the box, but it's the same character. Just change it to simplified. She pointed out various restaurants when I mentioned to her that I never did a foot massage. She smiled and told me we can go to the one right down the street on Hua Yuen Shin Tsei North No. 16? 16? In Tangxia Town. This is a nice, big and clean foot massage place with a big yellow sign and black letters.

Amy tried getting two of her friends to do our massage. I wonder if she saw the disappointment on my face when I heard her describing one of her friends as a little Pan or fat. No one knows names. Just numbers, she was trying to id them through various ways. I insisted that it would be okay if we didn't see her friends. Well, we finally got stuck in a room with 3 reclining couches and a flatscreen. She told me to take the middle seat while she took the left. Two masseuses came in. A dopey looking chubby one who looks like she just hopped off the farmcart, and another with a hot 9. 5 face. DAMN! It quickly became obvious why CPExpat is so much into footies.

But WTF! Monger's karma isn't on my side, as I get dumped with the dopey country girl. At this point, some quick thinking was in order.

Amy started asking me what I would like to watch. I told her I didn't understand anything so why doesn't she take the middle seat so she can see the TV better, while I go for the left seat? She was reluctant at first, as I was the guest, but I told her it was all right. See what happens when you are a gentleman? "Fate" swaps your chubby homey country gal for a hottie 9. 5. As it was too much trouble for the two masseuses to switch places, poor old me was left with the 9. 5. I love it when a plan comes together! (Apologies to the cigar chugging Hannibal) An aside for those familiar with financial options: the middle seat is essentially a "free option". If you get the hottie, you let your option expire. If you get the fugly one, exercise your option by insisting on giving up your better seat to your friend. This obviously doesn't work if you get stuck in the side seat with an ugly one or if your host/hostess is a GUY and is definitely up on your switcheroo.

Well, 9. 5 hottie #91 sure knows how to flirt. When she noticed me staring at her, she had no qualms about looking right back at me with her big eyes. God I was hooked. The total damage was RMB 96 for two people. I wanted to signal my interest in #91 if it wasn't obvious enough already, but I ran out of small bills, so I gave her a ratty old 20. Apologies for jacking up the prices for any of our local mongers, but it should not be much impact as this is a bit out-of-the-way. Tomorrow, Amy will be going to Shenzhen, so I will give it a shot and see if I can pull #91 out of the massage parlor. What's great is, I could tell #91 was pretty sharp and nothing bores me quicker than a bubblehead.

Another question for you veterans: do I just pay 48 x 4 = 192 to the shop to pull her out for 4 hours and try my luck at charming her? Is there a way to pull her out for the whole day without paying for every single hour? I sense that this could be much more fun than just paying a bored-looking or fakey KTV girl.

Even if I don't get #91 into bed, I'm sure all the flirting and playing around will be loads of fun! Looks like I may have to sign up as CPExpat's apprentice.


*cough*, *cough*

ahum, OAH, the report does say that Nakameguro was staying in the Goodview hotel in Tangxia, which is a 5/6 star hotel. Assuming they really got him a regular KTV girl (and not a BBS girl from a nearby shop), the price seems about right. KTV girls are 2-5-8, maybe higher at Goodview. And the bellboy needs his cut.

Agreed though that the requested 300 rmb tip for the bellboy is pure BS. As OAH pointed out, he gets his cut from the girl-fee already. You may want to tip him 50/100 rmb if you want to keep him on your good side, and make him run all kinds of errands for you.EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Donsat
12-13-07, 08:07
I am in CP for 3 days, I looking for guys to hang out with. Goto KTV and show me local area action. PM

Dan Hawaii
12-13-07, 08:26
*cough*, *cough*

ahum, OAH, the report does say that Nakameguro was staying in the Goodview hotel in Tangxia, which is a 5/6 star hotel. Assuming they really got him a regular KTV girl (and not a BBS girl from a nearby shop), the price seems about right. KTV girls are 2-5-8, maybe higher at Goodview. And the bellboy needs his cut.

Agreed though that the requested 300 rmb tip for the bellboy is pure BS. As OAH pointed out, he gets his cut from the girl-fee already. You may want to tip him 50/100 rmb if you want to keep him on your good side, and make him run all kinds of errands for you.
I'm pretty certain, from my last trip to Goodview ktv in October, the ktv girl price is 2-5-8. I never had in call service, so I can not comment on the price, but 600 sounds alittle high. Being that the price is 500rmb for the ST ktv, and the girl does not have to sit around, entertain, and drink for hours in the ktv room. In addition, if she is from the ktv, she can go to work later that evening and make more money . But a contra arguement would be that the ktv will not make money from you (drinks, room, dj, etc...), so that is why they up the girl fee.

Hey, Nakameguro, maybe you should ask for an in-room sauna girl service, because you are/were staying in the hotel. Then you would not have to pay for the sauna room charge. I know the Miraton hotel only charges 100 rmb for sauna girl room service, plus girl fee. Might save you a couple of hundred rmb, unless you like the sauna facility. And you know sauna girls, they are the best, most experienced providers on the planet.

Dan Hawaii
12-13-07, 08:30
OK - a couple blurry photos taken with my phone camera. Ain't much but better than nuthin?
Se Asia
I know where that is, you must of had fun there huh, Joe. Don't want to say the name and bring them heat. I want to go there in January, so please, nobody say what place that is. Thank you.

Nakameguro97
12-13-07, 12:55
Yup - I agree with DH 100% that the sauna girls are the best. Usually, I enjoy the sauna facilities, especially with a pro who knows what she is doing - the stone table is GREAT at the Goodview Tangxia. The Sauna charge appears to be high here at RMB398 so I think you are right - there is potential to save a lot of moolah on the fresh, inexperienced ones who don't know what to do with the "equipment" anyways.


Hey, Nakameguro, maybe you should ask for an in-room sauna girl service, because you are/were staying in the hotel. Then you would not have to pay for the sauna room charge. I know the Miraton hotel only charges 100 rmb for sauna girl room service, plus girl fee. Might save you a couple of hundred rmb, unless you like the sauna facility. And you know sauna girls, they are the best, most experienced providers on the planet.

Nakameguro97
12-13-07, 13:36
Woke up at 10AM this morning and made a beeline to the footies. As noted in a previous report, the address to this place is Hua Yuen Shin Tsei North No. 16 (the Chinese characters are flower-park-new-street No. 16) in Tangxia. I made a 15 minute beeline by taxi to the footies with #91 on my mind. I got there around 11:30AM. Apparently #91 wouldn't be in until 2PM. Well, I told them to get me a girl now and I'll get #91 later. Shuddering with the thought of having to reject a pudgy FOF (Fresh-Off-the-Farm) like I saw yesterday, I waited, and waited, and waited.

In walks #20, a 9 from up north. She was chatty and easy to flirt with. Found out she was 24 and has two older brothers. Kind of a tomboy. I got her to ask the boss about the take-out fee. Apparently, it was 7x along with the 1x for the foot massage for a total of RMB320. I paid, and off we went. A side-note: to pull this off, you prolly need some decent Mandarin. I was speaking to her in broken Mandarin for about 97%+ of the time. Along the way back, we spent a couple hours climbing a nearby mountain and even played some carnival games and went through a haunted house. I felt like a teenager again on a date. We came back to the Goodview Tangxia, had lunch here around 3:30PM, after which we went back to my room to rest for a while. Then she sat on the sofa and turned on the TV. Not a good sign, at all! By this time, I had so much fun with her, I was getting blue balls. DAMN! Nothing worked beyond this. I grew tired and disinterested. She saw this and suggested that I take a nap while she goes back to work. So I gave her RMB 50 for the taxi ride back. It was obvious towards the end that this one is experienced and was just working me. I used to have a girlfriend like this in Japan, where she would treat you great, flirt with you, but leave you aching below the belt. LESSON LEARNED: the young, inexperienced footies below 18-19 may be a better bet. The older ones may be juicing the system, but I don't blame them because I'm doing the same from the other side. Going after footies is like half way between mongering and nampa.

Well, I have a solution for blue balls. I headed down to the Goodview Tangxia 1F SAUNA and asked for Ms. Yo-Nan-Nan, 13560829050, the manager who helped me out the other night. The good rooms with the stone tables were full, so I went back to my room and waited for 30min. I got a call 15min later and down I went. At 5:30PM, there was a lineup of 4, ranging from 7-10. I took a 19yo #229 from Hubei FACE: 10 BODY: 9. 5 (big nipples and perfectly thin body, but.0. 5 for a scar on the right hand side from some childhood operation) SERVICE: 8 (she appeared new and wasn't as PRO as #228), but I have to give her FRESHNESS: 9. 5. Overall, she was a 9+. I'm a picky SOB and both times, the Goodview Sauna delivers 9+'s in the first lineup.

This was a very satisfying ending to my 16yr mongering career. My curiosity has been satisfied and my thirst for young ones quenched. Spending time researching engagement rings interests me now more than continuing to monger. I will post another message or two before turning out the lights.

Let's monger safely out there.

Moody
12-13-07, 15:17
Another question for you veterans: do I just pay 48 x 4 = 192 to the shop to pull her out for 4 hours and try my luck at charming her? Is there a way to pull her out for the whole day without paying for every single hour? I sense that this could be much more fun than just paying a bored-looking or fakey KTV girl.

Even if I don't get #91 into bed, I'm sure all the flirting and playing around will be loads of fun! Looks like I may have to sign up as CPExpat's apprentice.

Yes, if you pull her out for 4 hours, you would have to pay her 48x4=192. Usually though, they have a discount package and you can buy one of those and use those coupons to buy her out. As for pulling her out all day.... you'll have to talk to her about that. The girls have days off and it's up to her whether she wants to spend it with you.

Dar425
12-14-07, 00:18
I'll be heading to Chang Ping about 2 days from now. If any of you are in Dongguan, message me and I'll buy you beer for your kindness in showing me the local action. Otherwise I'll find it on my own.



Dar

Old Mean Dog
12-14-07, 02:22
I'll be heading to Chang Ping about 2 days from now. If any of you are in Dongguan, message me and I'll buy you beer for your kindness in showing me the local action. Otherwise I'll find it on my own.



Dar

If you just say hi to the foreigners on the street in CP, I would safely bet 95% of them are gonna be Mongers and probably 94.5% of those are from ISG.

I am always around, PM me when you arrive.

-CPE

Old Mean Dog
12-14-07, 08:20
I know many of you "old timers" to CP contest that things will remain the same here and that nothing will change, but I on the other hand disagree.

My eyes are seeing major changes here in the 1 1/2 years I have been coming to CP. Quite possibly as just a tourist coming in on the weekends to party, I really did not pay much attention to the changes, but living here now, I see it all the time.

CP as we know it will not be the same CP in 2-3 years. I know I am not Chinese, nor am I a seasoned CP vet, but it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that little, backwater, wild west CP wants to get away from that image and it's happening fast.

Lets take for example the railway station (The GZ-SZ-HK one) that everyone is familiar with. The internal portions of the station are being repaired, no longer will the taxi pirates assault you when you depart the area, a formal walled taxi lane is being built, the parking lot is being resurfaced, the station now has a McDonalds and a 7-11, I also just noticed today when going to Shenzhen, they are planting trees, and bushes where there was once just dirt, they are prepping the second floor of the station for some storefronts, and the main exterior plaza is under construction. This does not even take into consideration the brand new bus station and shopping arcade being built next to it.

I know some will say so what?? or those that have pussy tunnel vision will not even notice things like this, Starbucks, 6 lane roads, no motorcycles downtown, city taxis and buses now and high end shops and restaurants going up.

If I was a gambling man, I would bet the BBS's and xiaojies so abundant here, will be a thing of the past soon. As stated in another post, it will remain, but take on a new look, called more KTV's and massage joints just like SZ.

Enjoy it while you can,

-CPE

BTW: Pulled me a nice 18 year old Sichuan sweetie last night from the Yalan area, excellent skills and fresh meat. Also notice the "lack" of mommies around the Hui Mei area, this is several nights in a row I have observed this.

Softy
12-14-07, 09:40
I know many of you "old timers" to CP contest that things will remain the same here and that nothing will change, but I on the other hand disagree.

My eyes are seeing major changes here in the 1 1/2 years I have been coming to CP. Quite possibly as just a tourist coming in on the weekends to party, I really did not pay much attention to the changes, but living here now, I see it all the time.

CP as we know it will not be the same CP in 2-3 years. I know I am not Chinese, nor am I a seasoned CP vet, but it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that little, backwater, wild west CP wants to get away from that image and it's happening fast.

Lets take for example the railway station (The GZ-SZ-HK one) that everyone is familiar with. The internal portions of the station are being repaired, no longer will the taxi pirates assault you when you depart the area, a formal walled taxi lane is being built, the parking lot is being resurfaced, the station now has a McDonalds and a 7-11, I also just noticed today when going to Shenzhen, they are planting trees, and bushes where there was once just dirt, they are prepping the second floor of the station for some storefronts, and the main exterior plaza is under construction. This does not even take into consideration the brand new bus station and shopping arcade being built next to it.

I know some will say so what?? or those that have pussy tunnel vision will not even notice things like this, Starbucks, 6 lane roads, no motorcycles downtown, city taxis and buses now and high end shops and restaurants going up.

If I was a gambling man, I would bet the BBS's and xiaojies so abundant here, will be a thing of the past soon. As stated in another post, it will remain, but take on a new look, called more KTV's and massage joints just like SZ.

Enjoy it while you can,

-CPE

BTW: Pulled me a nice 18 year old Sichuan sweetie last night from the Yalan area, excellent skills and fresh meat. Also notice the "lack" of mommies around the Hui Mei area, this is several nights in a row I have observed this.

CP...

I have only been to CP twice. I have spent quite a bit of time in China, however, over the past 25 years. My impressions from my limited experience in CP is that the current mongering environment was not long for this world as well. That conclusion was not drawn from comparative experience from CP over time, rather my interaction with the locals who seem quite annoyed by the street action. I would have to conclude, then, that CP will become more KTV and Suana oriented if it remains a prime mongering destination.

SE Asia Joe
12-14-07, 11:07
IMy eyes are seeing major changes here in the 1 1/2 years I have been coming to CP. Quite possibly as just a tourist coming in on the weekends to party, I really did not pay much attention to the changes, but living here now, I see it all the time.

CP as we know it will not be the same CP in 2-3 years.


Enjoy it while you can,

-CPE

.

So CPE - can we task you with discovering a replacement paradise for us?!
I mean - CP is getting developed but then there are other "up and coming" localities? Howzabout you others?
SEAJ

Bob Builder
12-14-07, 11:07
There seems to be a worrying trend that when places in Southern China become more foreigner friendly as reported by this forum almost always it is about the time that it is about to sound its death knell.

I'm really relieved that all the foreigners are flocking to CP where all the gals are Lao Wei friendly and speak good English. Avoid Shenzhen at all costs. CP is the place to be.

Now if only those BSD ABCs who are sick of posing around Lan Kwai Fong, paying HK$60 for a drink and not getting laid who have discovered Shenzhen would only go to CP as well.

Weelock
12-14-07, 11:51
Anyways. Just for info; in amiss of all those suspicious posts about raids in CP; I had called into my regular mummies and BBS bosses (whom I know) They told me that there was some minor raids because of some complains at the police station about BBS having below permitted age girls, girls stealing from guest hotel rooms and also mummies harassing customer for more money or refusing to let customer out of their BBS unless they take one of their girls. Everything is back to normal the every same day or rather every same hour after the "Raids".
--cut--

A mamason told me about a month ago a Malaysian Chinese claimed to have lost $10,000 USD. He was staying at a hotel that is about 50 yards from the Yalan Hotel. He had a girl LT and there was no safe in the room. I guess she stole the money while he was sleeping. The mamasan tried to find the girl and failed. I think the mamasan said he then went to the police.

Moody
12-14-07, 15:57
I agree that CP may very well get closed down for hardcore in your face commercial sex over the next couple of years. There's no doubt that the area is getting more and more developed as both a residential and business area. I strongly doubt that the big KTVs and saunas will be affected though. As an example, DG City is much more developed than CP and it still has plenty of both. I think though, things won't be that bad. The trade will probably just move over to another town. Huangjiang is nearby and compared to CP, still pretty undeveloped. It would be an easy transition for all those mommies to move over there. ZMT is another obvious choice as is Shilong with both being stops along the Guangshen Express. I can easily see it moving to either of these places. If not those choices, probably somewhere else, Dongguan has dozens of small towns. It'll just be a matter finding it.

Bill Lee
12-14-07, 18:10
From the Zhu Hai board: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=680717&postcount=1455



Anyways. Just for info; in amiss of all those suspicious posts about raids in CP; I had called into my regular mummies and BBS bosses (whom I know) They told me that there was some minor raids because of some complains at the police station about BBS having below permitted age girls, girls stealing from guest hotel rooms and also mummies harassing customer for more money or refusing to let customer out of their BBS unless they take one of their girls. Everything is back to normal the every same day or rather every same hour after the "Raids".


For Ace Gallant:

What suspicious posts are you referring to? Me and a fellow member actually witnessed the raid and no, things were not back in order the same day or hour. In fact the street in front of Yalan was deserted of mommies for the entire night on one raid. The Night Market has been closed intermittently. Recently, mommies have not been seen in and around Hui Mei area at times.

Why would any wanker accept the word of mummies or BBS bosses who's only interest is getting a wanker's business back?

Just curious, what made the reports "suspicious"?

I don't know about you, but if a mommy harasses me for more money or refuse to let me out of their BBS until I get one of their girls, the Police is not the first place I run to and complain about. In fact, I wouldn't even consider calling the police and complain about it or calling the police ever. Any members here have complained to the police about these typical mongering problems you experienced? What a joke to believe these are the reasons that the police are raiding the BBS.

So who's complaining to the police about these two issues? I find these two reasons to be very suspicious.

Bill

Basher55
12-14-07, 18:57
A mamason told me about a month ago a Malaysian Chinese claimed to have lost $10,000 USD. He was staying at a hotel that is about 50 yards from the Yalan Hotel. He had a girl LT and there was no safe in the room. I guess she stole the money while he was sleeping. The mamasan tried to find the girl and failed. I think the mamasan said he then went to the police.This is very beliveable, although to most it may seem incredibly stupid holding that kinda cash. but with the dollar the way it is against the yuan some factories crave cash.

A boring night in hotel, cock becomes brain, girl back money go!!

Tiger 888
12-15-07, 04:11
A mamason told me about a month ago a Malaysian Chinese claimed to have lost $10,000 USD. He was staying at a hotel that is about 50 yards from the Yalan Hotel. He had a girl LT and there was no safe in the room. I guess she stole the money while he was sleeping. The mamasan tried to find the girl and failed. I think the mamasan said he then went to the police.On the other hand, with so much stupidity he doesn't deserve better.

Donsat
12-15-07, 06:29
CP has alot of girls, but only good for Chinese speaking man.

So far i have had bad experience with KTV girls. But, girls on the street is ok for quick STnear Miraton Hotel. So far not great experience in CP.

Does any one have any good suggestion, last night in CP.

I need to learn chinese quickly to make most of CP.

Santa
12-15-07, 06:48
A mamason told me about a month ago a Malaysian Chinese claimed to have lost $10,000 USD. He was staying at a hotel that is about 50 yards from the Yalan Hotel. He had a girl LT and there was no safe in the room. I guess she stole the money while he was sleeping. The mamasan tried to find the girl and failed. I think the mamasan said he then went to the police.

Weelock: I Think that mama was probably lying to you. Most of these mamasans are full of shit. They tell lies for a living! Most of the hotels in CP have room safes. Why would a guy carry $10,000 US in cash, and then stay in a cheap hotel without a safe. I think the mama was grossly exaggerating the amount. It's what we call "bullshit". It was probably more like 1000rmb.

Most of these girls, including the sweet innocent types, will quickly search your pockets and steal your money. If you discover 50rmb or 100rmb missing, she will deny she took it. So now, what can you do?

I noticed one guy checking in to the Lucky, your favourite hangout :), wrapped his things up in paper and tape, signed it, and asked the manager to put it in his safe. This guy didn't trust the room safes.

Some guy posted on the Kunming thread that he stayed at the Amazon KTV in Dongguan and had all of his things stolen from his safe.

Old Mean Dog
12-15-07, 08:04
From the Zhu Hai board: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=680717&postcount=1455



For Ace Gallant:

What suspicious posts are you referring to? Me and a fellow member actually witnessed the raid and no, things were not back in order the same day or hour. In fact the street in front of Yalan was deserted of mommies for the entire night on one raid. The Night Market has been closed intermittently. Recently, mommies have not been seen in and around Hui Mei area at times.

Why would any wanker accept the word of mummies or BBS bosses who's only interest is getting a wanker's business back?

Just curious, what made the reports "suspicious"?

I don't know about you, but if a mommy harasses me for more money or refuse to let me out of their BBS until I get one of their girls, the Police is not the first place I run to and complain about. In fact, I wouldn't even consider calling the police and complain about it or calling the police ever. Any members here have complained to the police about these typical mongering problems you experienced? What a joke to believe these are the reasons that the police are raiding the BBS.

So who's complaining to the police about these two issues? I find these two reasons to be very suspicious.

Bill

Holy Buckets,

If I get shite service from the girl or she refuses to blow me, can I report her to the police? They should just put up a little police booth right there at the Yalan Intersection, this way when the mommies harass a john too much or become too pushy we can go file a complaint. Better yet, maybe if they had some "In Case of Harassment" Emergency Box, you could just break the glass and pull the "raid" handle down to extract justice on those bu hao mommies and their evil ways!

Hahaha....how about doing a chicken lineup in front of the police station?

-CPE

Weelock
12-15-07, 13:29
Weelock: I Think that mama was probably lying to you. Most of these mamasans are full of shit. They tell lies for a living! Most of the hotels in CP have room safes. Why would a guy carry $10,000 US in cash, and then stay in a cheap hotel without a safe. I think the mama was grossly exaggerating the amount. It\\\'s what we call \\\"bullshit\\\". It was probably more like 1000rmb.
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Most of these girls, including the sweet innocent types, will quickly search your pockets and steal your money. If you discover 50rmb or 100rmb missing, she will deny she took it. So now, what can you do?
Some guy posted on the Kunming thread that he stayed at the Amazon KTV in Dongguan and had all of his things stolen from his safe.

Yes, I agree. It might be a lie, rumor, exaggration or I got the amount wrong. It\\\'s also kind of strange why would a guy with so much money stay in a cheap hotel. I have heard of laptops being stolen and guys later went to the police. I got a PM from someone who might want to verify the info with the mommy. I don\\\'t believe it\\\'s the main reason for all the RAIDS. If you look at past history, the RAIDS are about this time of the year. I recall even a lot of the KTV\\\'s and saunas in CP were closed in December once.

One time some working girl was killed and the police really crackdown during December in CP. The killing might even be a lie or rumor.


For sweet innocent, I was taking a shower with a girl and she finished first. I left the shower water running and busted her holding my pants. She quickly dropped the pants when she saw me. I try to treat these girls nice but I never trust them.

Rontbo
12-15-07, 19:35
For sweet innocent, I was taking a shower with a girl and she finished first. I left the water running and busted her picking up my pants. She quickly dropped the pants when she saw me. I try to treat these girl nice but I never trust them.Are you guys running into these problems with BBS girls only? Is there some higher level of trust with KTV girls?

Just curious if there is a difference.

Old Mean Dog
12-15-07, 22:19
CP has alot of girls, but only good for Chinese speaking man.

So far i have had bad experience with KTV girls. But, girls on the street is ok for quick STnear Miraton Hotel. So far not great experience in CP.

Does any one have any good suggestion, last night in CP.

I need to learn chinese quickly to make most of CP.

Considering the DG thread is about ready to pass the Shanghai thread as the most talked about place in China, or the fact that I myself am "Whitey" with very little putonghua skills as are many other foreign devils coming here and/or residents, I would think it is probably you that has caused your own dissatisfaction.

Hell, I just got laid 15 minutes ago from a girl who knows 2 words of English! I get laid twice a week minimum, shit I love it here, thus I moved here.

If you are a freshman to CP, don't hookup with any of the seasoned CP mongers, trying to solo and don't speak a lick of putonghua, well then, the only person to blame for a shitty time is yourself.

My PoV

-CPE

Old Mean Dog
12-15-07, 22:26
santa, bill lee and myself did a driving tour of the night market this evening around 11 pm. the girls were not out like normal, just a few mommies rep001tered here and there and when they saw us they would open up the stable doors to let some of the girls out, but as soon as they started coming out, a police van comes down the street with lights on and the girls all run back inside the stables and lock the doors.

yes, some shit is going down here. anyone in town about a month ago, noticed how the mommies that are normally in front of the lucky hotel were now clear across the street and not acting so bold?

even tonight, the bold mommies are now much more tamer and certainly less in quantity.

-cpe

Dan Hawaii
12-15-07, 22:29
Are you guys running into these problems with BBS girls only? Is there some higher level of trust with KTV girls?

Just curious if there is a difference.
Might be a difference, since the ktv girl gets paid more and are not that desperate for money. Furthermore, they might be scared of being fired from the KTV. However, they all will steal if they are tempted and if you make it too easy for them to do so. Take care of your belongings and hide them, place them in safes and such. Your default thinking should be that they will steal from you, no matter where you got them from.

Donsat
12-16-07, 01:54
In the Hotel's sauna, had a great time, BBBF for a long time , she used mint and lick you everywhere, then use cold water, hot water, this was great. Damage 600 for 2 hrs. she was nake the all time.

Football Hero
12-16-07, 04:08
Hi,

I did not realize such a forum existed! I have been visiting CP twice a month for about a year now.

There is this lady that stands behind the new century hotel near the guard post. She usually pulls my hand when I leave the hotel to get some food.

Her charges are 100 for the house and 200 for the girl. I used to think this was cheap compared to the new century hotel sauna (138 for the house and 300 for the girl) but after reading about the BBS here, I realized that I am being ripped off!

Fast Eddie 48
12-16-07, 06:42
Hi,

I did not realize such a forum existed! I have been visiting CP twice a month for about a year now.

There is this lady that stands behind the new century hotel near the guard post. She usually pulls my hand when I leave the hotel to get some food.

Her charges are 100 for the house and 200 for the girl. I used to think this was cheap compared to the new century hotel sauna (138 for the house and 300 for the girl) but after reading about the BBS here, I realized that I am being ripped off!Football hero,

You have been going to CP for a year and you just find out you been over paying all this time , you are a very slow learner or not very smart .

Fast eddie 48

Santa
12-16-07, 08:47
santa, bill lee and myself did a driving tour of the night market this evening around 11 pm. the girls were not out like normal, just a few mommies rep001tered here and there and when they saw us they would open up the stable doors to let some of the girls out, but as soon as they started coming out, a police van comes down the street with lights on and the girls all run back inside the stables and lock the doors.

yes, some shit is going down here. anyone in town about a month ago, noticed how the mommies that are normally in front of the lucky hotel were now clear across the street and not acting so bold?

even tonight, the bold mommies are now much more tamer and certainly less in quantity.

-cpe

correct. frequent police harrassment at night market and last night there were only a few low quality girls available. the pie wagons (miao mobiles) at the lucky are all gone. the yalan shops that are not associated with ktvs are frequent targets.

after the raids last week the shops were not back to normal for 3 or 4 days. many of the girls stayed away from work because they fear the fines.

Goreng Pisang
12-16-07, 10:24
santa, bill lee and myself did a driving tour of the night market this evening around 11 pm. the girls were not out like normal, just a few mommies rep001tered here and there and when they saw us they would open up the stable doors to let some of the girls out, but as soon as they started coming out, a police van comes down the street with lights on and the girls all run back inside the stables and lock the doors.

yes, some shit is going down here. anyone in town about a month ago, noticed how the mommies that are normally in front of the lucky hotel were now clear across the street and not acting so bold?

even tonight, the bold mommies are now much more tamer and certainly less in quantity.

-cpei think so too.

was in cp 2 months ago. totally swarmed by the mommies infront of lucky. last week was different. approached by only a couple of mommies.

will send you guys a report soon on my mongering in cp last week...

cheers,

goreng pisang

Tiger 888
12-16-07, 12:01
Correct. Frequent police harrassment at Night Market and last night there were only a few low quality girls available. The pie wagons (miao mobiles) at the Lucky are all gone. The Yalan shops that are not associated with KTVs are frequent targets.

After the raids last week the shops were not back to normal for 3 or 4 days. Many of the girls stayed away from work because they fear the fines.Santa, I hope you are aware that you are in the process to make youself suspicious to AG as well (As Bill Lee and CPE already are). HoHoHo...

But seriously: I hope the situation is not getting too bad. Please keep us updated.

Old Mean Dog
12-16-07, 14:28
Santa, I hope you are aware that you are in the process to make youself suspicious to AG as well (As Bill Lee and CPE already are). HoHoHo...

But seriously: I hope the situation is not getting too bad. Please keep us updated.

Oh no, Santa getting tagged as a "wanker", what's next??

Walked down main street tonight and only saw one mommy and about 16 beggars around 8 pm.

-CPE

Tiger 888
12-16-07, 15:55
Oh no, Santa getting tagged as a "wanker", what's next??

Walked down main street tonight and only saw one mommy and about 16 beggars around 8 pm.

-CPEI hope it is not a "feed the beggars instead of the girls" program of the Social Security plan in Bei Jing. Santa , looking forward to see you in HK and buy you a beer. (I heard you would possibly join our friend).

Bill Lee
12-16-07, 17:29
If you are a freshman to CP, don't hookup with any of the seasoned CP mongers, trying to solo and don't speak a lick of putonghua, well then, the only person to blame for a shitty time is yourself.

My PoV

-CPE

Donsat did asked for CP hookup in his earlier post. But here's the rub, if you read his past posts, it's all about where can I find this? No real report to post. Even his latest post is lacking in names and details.

Donsat, if you want help, you got to put out some real info and not just be a leech.

Just my pov.
Bill

Neuromancer
12-16-07, 18:29
I hope it is not a "feed the beggars instead of the girls" program of the Social Security plan in Bei Jing. Santa , looking forward to see you in HK and buy you a beer. (I heard you would possibly join our friend).Santa, Tiger.

You two gonna be down in Hongkers? PM me.

Neuro

Bill Lee
12-16-07, 19:39
Went down to the night market at about 1:30 a.m. with a fellow monger. The shops were semi-open in that they open when the John's cars arrived and quickly close their doors when the police patrol with their revolving lights comes down the street. Out of 6 to 8 shops and about 30 gals, we decided only one had someone we would both take. Picking was slim on this evening.

The fellow monger and I decided to try the hand job place with the orange uniform as you approach the Yalan from the Miraton. With his assistance, we learned that the prices were 40RMB for a straight hand job with touching of the girls' top. 80RMB for full naked girl and full service available from some girls but price unknown to me because the girl I picked didn't offer full service nor did she accepted a BJ proposition.

There was nothing special about the hand-job, no special rimming of the head or any technique. It took me over 15 minutes to pop. She had no special skill. My fellow monger said the same about his girl too.

BTW, this girl had worked there for over a year and still have no special "moves" on little Bill. No regular massage involved, straight HJ.

Well you live and learn.

Bill

Cowa Banga
12-16-07, 21:09
Bob,

Bro, you don't get it. If you see too many creepy white guys, the commies will shut it down.

ManonsanBoy
12-16-07, 23:24
This was a very satisfying ending to my 16yr mongering career. My curiosity has been satisfied and my thirst for young ones quenched. Spending time researching engagement rings interests me now more than continuing to monger. I will post another message or two before turning out the lights.

Let's monger safely out there.

You will not stop mongering, not after 16 years.

Dan Hawaii
12-17-07, 00:12
Oh no, Santa getting tagged as a "wanker", what's next??

Walked down main street tonight and only saw one mommy and about 16 beggars around 8 pm.

-CPE
That's sad to hear. I hope everything turns around for the better. What does the outlook for January look like? Any speculations? Will it get worse as Chinese New Years approaches or will it get better?

I would appreciate any feedback, because I'm planning on returning on January 15 for 10 days.

Are the ktvs still kicking and untouched? Sounds like they are, because my friend was giving me private reports, PMs, saying the ktvs are not in harms way. If the ktvs get heat, might have to cancel my travel plans to CP. What a dark and gloomy day that would be.

SE Asia Joe
12-17-07, 05:34
Oh What Lies I've been hearing!
Our Jolly Old Saint Nick - all welcoming... but hating all of us for taking away HIS girls! HIS GIRLS, his own private harem - all of them. Insane jealousy when we even eye them! And still chiming "Ho Ho Ho" with a forced and stupid grin on his face!
Our resident furrener there - are these newbie furreners bringing HIV to his otherwise antiseptic oriental beauties? Stay Away.... STAY away!!
Big bad Red - I is the king of mongering bar none - I teach one and all how its done!
And my perpetually red-eyed friend - NO, I work too hard and don't get enough sleep - that's why I'm red-eyed. Yeah ....as he wanders off ... again at 1:30 am to complete the only work he does.... full time mongering!!
My footie gal - extolling her BJ skills as probably being the best in in CP, and certainly the best at her house (Walter) and outselling me - RMB 100 for HJ, 200 for BJ and 300 for FS! Well.... what can I do??! Of course it was imperative that I do experience the best BJ in town.... and of course got very sorely disapointed! Hmmph - I did get her down to RMB 150 though - so there!! but then she turned around and screwed me out of RMB8 by not returning my change out of the RMB 42 hour charge.
My hui Mei gal - so beautiful in the room....but oh so ugly in the bright sunlight - but damn.... she knows it and without being asked gave me a full AR..... Yeah.... AR from a Hui Mei gal!! And then proceeded to ride me AND milked my member as only the best courtesans could!
Catacomb girls - as explained to me by my Prince KTV gal - yeah RMB 30, right and then 3-5 minutes into the deed, all sorts of noise to hurry it up and extend the time, get off, get going ... and you'd be lucky to get out of there for less than RMB100.
My KTV gal - oh so much promises and sweet nothings in my ears whilst at the KTV.... and wham bam thank you Sir and I'm off now! Oh well, at least I did get to partake of her... which is certainly lots better than our VERY very senior mongerer who had to kick out his sweet nothings and promises of soulful connections at 4 am.... and paying her pretty close to SOP prices! Owww. blue balls city for my good friend.
Oh so many lies- O(h) W(hat) L(ies)!
Oh well, at least I've still got dreams of nailing that beautiful beautiful vision of loveliness, smoking hot, extra moves on the dance floor nymph of my young friend - the new Don of CP. Jeez - cannot wait to nail her!
Ahhhh some more promises!!!
Life's good.... and take it all with a grain of sugar
SE Asia

Santa
12-17-07, 05:44
Are the ktvs still kicking and untouched?

The authorities are not interested in harming the ktvs or saunas, that's where the big money is being made for the hotels. I think they only want to slow down the bbs shops and the mommies doing room deliveries.

There is a noticeable decline in the quality and numbers of those girls. They are still available, but less of them and mostly low quality.

The authorities don't like mongers who do 150rmb quickies, they prefer the fat wallets and big spenders.

This is just my perception of the situation and I think the other guys posting here will agree.

SE Asia Joe
12-17-07, 05:57
The authorities are not interested in harming the ktvs or saunas, that's where the big money is being made for the hotels. I think they only want to slow down the bbs shops and the mommies doing room deliveries.

There is a noticeable decline in the quality and numbers of those girls. They are still available, but less of them and mostly low quality.

The authorities don't like mongers who do 150rmb quickies, they prefer the fat wallets and big spenders.

This is just my perception of the situation and I think the other guys posting here will agree.
Yup - may as well monger elsewhere as its all the same all over China. Why go to Donguan when you have fires in restaurants, beggars and suspicious guys hanging around each corner, extreme competition from all these Hong Kong guys with their fat wallets, raids when you're doing the dirty, even nabbing your gal right from your arms when you're just waving for a taxi. Donguan.... the land that WAS
Se Asia Joe

Santa
12-17-07, 06:08
Oh What Lies I've been hearing!
Our Jolly Old Saint Nick - all welcoming... but hating all of us for taking away HIS girls! HIS GIRLS, his own private harem

My hui Mei gal - so beautiful in the room....but oh so ugly in the bright sunlight - but damn....
SE Asia

True, I joked with you that "I wish they were all mine, my own private harem", but it is also true that there has been a decline in the quality and number of the girls and frequent police harrassment. This is not a lie.

I was at Yalan when last weeks raid happened and one plain clothed cop snatched a girl right out of my hand. I hid in the restaurant until the cops left.
They hauled away four vans full of girls and then came back for more. I have seen the cops harrassing the Night Market. The "miao mobile" or "pie wagons" full of girls are gone. There are far fewer girls behind the HuiMei and the quality is way down, plus that alley is scheduled for demolition.

Joe, since you are new to the area you have no way of knowing if what I say is true.

One Wing Low
12-17-07, 08:22
Will be in CP for a few nights next week.

I have pulled a few KTV girls from Hui Hua, HuiMei, Miraton etc... and not impressed. Yalan BBS have prettier and fresher girls. Would ike to pull a few from Yalan for ST and LT.

Does anyone have tel for the mamasans or the girls? Are there other ways to find these girls?


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They hauled away four vans full of girls and then came back for more. I have seen the cops harrassing the Night Market. The "miao mobile" or "pie wagons" full of girls are gone. There are far fewer girls behind the HuiMei and the quality is way down, plus that alley is scheduled for demolition.

Bill Lee
12-17-07, 08:44
Saw 2 mommies in the alley and one of them brought me to their shop. Two girls, a 3 and a 6, not much to look at.

Grabbed by another mommy closer to Mitos side and saw three girls. A 3, 3 and a 7. Not much to pick from and look at. This is the same shop as the annoying male pimp.

Mommies gave me a hard time to get out of the shops. Had to outrun one of them as she chased me toward the Mitos.

Bill

SE Asia Joe
12-17-07, 09:03
. Two girls, a 3 and a 6, not much to look at.

saw three girls. A 3, 3 and a 7. Not much to pick from and look at.

Bill
But Bill - the ugly ones usually give great service! do you really care about a bit of mustache or drooping butts when one is giving you a good ass rimming or you're doing her doggy? Hell, you cain't even see her. And close your eyes when an ugly one gets you in and start extracting your essence - only with her pubic walls. All this makes up for it (NOT really!!)
SE Asia

Weelock
12-17-07, 10:12
That\\\'s sad to hear. I hope everything turns around for the better. What does the outlook for January look like? Any speculations? Will it get worse as Chinese New Years approaches or will it get better?

I would appreciate any feedback, because I\\\'m planning on returning on January 15 for 10 days.

Are the ktvs still kicking and untouched? Sounds like they are, because my friend was giving me private reports, PMs, saying the ktvs are not in harms way. If the ktvs get heat, might have to cancel my travel plans to CP. What a dark and gloomy day that would be.

It seems like you asked this question in November. The forecast is the same, less girls and more LE a few weeks before and after Chinese New Years, athough CPE had a great time during Chinese New Years but he lives in China. Chinese New Year is early Feb for 2008, year of the RAT. Chinese New Year is like X-Mas, Thanksgiving and New Year's Day all in a four weeks. People go home during the holidays.

Sorry, the KTV and saunas are NOT immune. They closed down several big KTVs and saunas during Dec and Jan before.

Superforce99
12-17-07, 10:43
Quick report on a my CP trip. Good to see a bunch of ISG guys in CP, new and old.

Fucked 2 different BBS gals on Sunday, all from Yalan area. Nothing special, though I do think that the quality and quantity on that particular Sunday was not very high (even Baby's place had about 10 girls, mostly 5s - 6s, total at 7pm). Nonetheless, each BBS girl I had could be considered good and I came away with a new favorite place (Swan Lake girls that have been moved to California Red 2). From CR2 I got a supposedly new gal who gave shit service but was very nice, well-manered, and enjoyed the sex more than she thought she would. But then after giving her the BFE, I had to fuck a bunch of other girls with whom I could get more service in return rather than give it.

Later on in the night, about 11pm, I was in Yalan area and was offered a special deal by the mamasan: for 100 to the mommy and 100 each to the girls, so 300 total for two girls. It's not such a great deal in my opinion since Hui Mei/Night Market gals are 150 already, but in the Yalan, rarely does one see mamasans offer a rate under 200 out of the blue. I'll refrain from revealing the identity of the mamasan, lest she gets overwhelmed with requests as the result of my loose lips. But suffice to say, if you head to a BBS near closing time, you'll be able to broker a deal...though she did blantantly say, "This is only for you and not your white foreigner friend, and don't tell him about this deal you're getting." Later in the night, I thought it would be a good idea to do one more gal...and ended up with my erection abandoning me midway, which was my cue to call it a night.

Prince KTV was fun, but in general, a KTV experience will depend on the people you bring, then the girls you choose, then yours and other's ability to remain conscious. Luckily, we were blessed with pretty high ratings on all three categories. Although my experience in my hotel room with the KTV gal was scammingly non-action oriented, it was still a good time overall. Big thanks to Charged Red (Dr. Teabag), Reader (Mr. Er Nai Balancing Act), Don (Mr. I-drink-you-play-dice), Singapore's Mr. Clean and all his buddies; it was great to meet/hang out/get puke-drunk with y'all.


*Some additional notes: there is a smoking fucking hot female manager at the Pennisula Foot Massage/Spa joint on late night duty.....the foot massage gal I had in Swan Lake's 2nd floor was cute and surprisingly ready to go upstairs to my hotel room for action (we were the last ones in the place at 4am) but after 5 girls in the previous 7 hours and an early morning car ride looming, it wasn't happening (physically) .....as always, my projected budget for this CP trip (much like the cost of the Iraq War) spun wildly out of control.....all in all, another fun weekend in CP.

Also, with all the talk of "CP is changing for the worse"...my take is we're all here for the cheap sex, cheap food, and cheap hotels and it's not going to last forever, so enjoy it while it's here, and keep it going by not overpaying and acting like assholes. CP on its worse days is still more convienent and fun than many mongering destinations on their best days. Change in China is like Michael Jordan in his prime; you can't stop it, you can just hope to contain it...so don't let MJ dunk on your ass...


J

Bill Lee
12-17-07, 11:27
Crackdown very real.

Just walk into Jojo's shop and first time she and other mommy didn't want me to leave and asked me to stay and chat. After 15 minutes, turns out that there was LE in the area.

They were on the cellphone confirming with someone outside that it was safe to leave from their shop before opening the locked doors.

Then I headed to Baby and LE presence was confirmed by one of the mommies there.

Then I headed over to Hui Mei alley and saw Coco's shop who only had four girls. No other mommies in sight.

Then I was grabbed by one of the mommies behind the Miraton and she had only one girl to offer. She later told me that she was doing badly because of the crackdown and it was the reason why she was in the back and not the front.

Bill

Santa
12-17-07, 11:35
But Bill - the ugly ones usually give great service! do you really care about a bit of mustache or drooping butts when one is giving you a good ass rimming or you're doing her doggy? Hell, you cain't even see her.
SE Asia

Joe, glad to see you are doing the ugly ones, that's very nice of you. Heck, they all need some loving, right? No, really! Any guy can do a pretty girl, but it takes a real man and a true gent to do the ugly ones. My hat is off to you brother.

Also, I'm not really the jealous type. Honestly, I'm not. Really! Ask Bill and Expat.


PS: Stay the fuck away from my girlfriends!!! :mad:

Superforce99
12-17-07, 11:56
Forgot to add some funny details to my other report...

Before fucking the second Yalan girl before dinner, she was really chatty and we ended up talking and laughing about perverted customers (who knows, maybe I looked like an extremely perverted customer and she felt at ease to share...). Apparently, her worst personal experience was having a monger dress up in HER clothes and having her shoot photos of him with his camera. But other colleagues in CP have had customers who have wanted S&M, cum drinking/play by the girls and customers, [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) and shit drinking/eating (girl deposits to customer's mouth), and customers pissing on unwilling girls. She said she is always worried about fucked up shit from customers because most of the time, it's been arranged beforehand with the mamasans and they girls are sent over to a hotel room not know what the fuck is about to be unleashed upon them.

When asked why would anyone stand this shit, she simply stated BBS girls are desperate for money, and their job is their job. And with all the fees they pay/inexperience with pleasing customers/inexperience with being firm with customers/inexperience with controlling time spent with customers, a new BBS girl is lucky to be making more than 1-2K per month for the first few months. To add insult to injury, the new girls actually end up with most of the worst "assignments". Ha ha...how's that for rookie hazing? Who knows how true this is, but it seems believable.

So...who of you guys out there are part of "perverted motherfucker" customer base?! Ha ha...


J

Bill Lee
12-17-07, 12:10
A mamason told me about a month ago a Malaysian Chinese claimed to have lost $10,000 USD. He was staying at a hotel that is about 50 yards from the Yalan Hotel. He had a girl LT and there was no safe in the room. I guess she stole the money while he was sleeping. The mamasan tried to find the girl and failed. I think the mamasan said he then went to the police.

Turns out that it happened two years ago and it was 80,000 RMB cash. It was at the Yue Hua Hotel, across from Jojo's shop.

She now say that he did not go to the LE but managed to get the mommy to assist him only to recover "several thousands."

Bill

Old Mean Dog
12-17-07, 12:24
Yup - may as well monger elsewhere as its all the same all over China. Why go to Donguan when you have fires in restaurants, beggars and suspicious guys hanging around each corner, extreme competition from all these Hong Kong guys with their fat wallets, raids when you're doing the dirty, even nabbing your gal right from your arms when you're just waving for a taxi. Donguan.... the land that WAS
Se Asia Joe

You forgot about us laowai "wankers" that live here, pop Vitamin V like they are M&M's, Suck down Red Bull, and ream out these little Chinese girls all day & night with our monster dongs. MuHAAAAAAAA (my evil Homer laugh)

-CPE

Santa
12-17-07, 12:29
Apparently, her worst personal experience was having a monger dress up in HER clothes and having her shoot photos of him with his camera.

So...who of you guys out there are part of "perverted motherfucker"


J

The same kind of perverted shit Bill Lee likes. Sounds like fun, I'll give it a try.

Old Mean Dog
12-17-07, 12:29
Oh so many lies- O(h) W(hat) L(ies)!

Haha, I get it, I get it....

-CPE

OldAsiaHand
12-17-07, 12:34
Later on in the night, about 11pm, I was in Yalan area and was offered a special deal by the mamasan: for 100 to the mommy and 100 each to the girls, so 300 total for two girls. It's not such a great deal in my opinion since Hui Mei/Night Market gals are 150 already, but in the Yalan, rarely does one see mamasans offer a rate under 200 out of the blue. I'll refrain from revealing the identity of the mamasan, lest she gets overwhelmed with requests as the result of my loose lips. But suffice to say, if you head to a BBS near closing time, you'll be able to broker a deal...though she did blantantly say, "This is only for you and not your white foreigner friend, and don't tell him about this deal you're getting."

Johnny,

The Yalan mamas are so full of shit. I got that same deal every time I've taken two girls from them regardless of the time of day or night.

OAH

Old Mean Dog
12-17-07, 12:40
so...who of you guys out there are part of "perverted motherfucker" customer base?! ha ha...

j

ok, you got me. i love wearing adult [CodeWord131] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131) and running around the house like a little baby as my xiaojie acts like mommy and gives me a good spanking for being a naughty boy.

i would certainly keep an eye on bill lee and santa, those are two sick perverted mofo's that i always keep running into in the sex toy shops.

-cpe

Old Mean Dog
12-17-07, 12:43
Johnny,

The Yalan mamas are so full of shit. I got that same deal every time I've taken two girls from them regardless of the time of day or night.

OAH

Tru Dat, I always get discounts if I take two at a time, and you know what I look like.

-CPE

OldAsiaHand
12-17-07, 12:47
.
Oh so many lies- O(h) W(hat) L(ies)!


SE Asia Joe,

Very clever, my friend! I had no clue until CPExpat mentioned it.

Priceless!

OAH

Moody
12-17-07, 14:45
Will be in CP for a few nights next week.

I have pulled a few KTV girls from Hui Hua, HuiMei, Miraton etc... and not impressed. Yalan BBS have prettier and fresher girls. Would ike to pull a few from Yalan for ST and LT.

Does anyone have tel for the mamasans or the girls? Are there other ways to find these girls?

Jezus.... you would think someone with 800+ posts would know by now that we're not supposed to post phone numbers.... In the famous words of one Signore Bugs Bunny, "what a maroon..."

Santa
12-17-07, 17:39
Just to be sure things are clear. SE Asia Joe and I are good friends, no flaming or criticism was intended.

As for Expat and Bill Lee, those horny perverts should be locked in a cage and sent to the zoo. Maybe they would find something there they can fuck that would be more appropriate to their evolutionary status. One looks like a friggin gorilla and the other looks like Big Foot. Maybe they are the real reason the number and quality of girls is in decline.

Bill Lee
12-17-07, 23:10
And there are some of us who are Over Aged and Horny.

Bill


SE Asia Joe,

Very clever, my friend! I had no clue until CPExpat mentioned it.

Priceless!

OAH

SE Asia Joe
12-18-07, 03:11
You forgot about us laowai "wankers" that live here, pop Vitamin V like they are M&M's, Suck down Red Bull, and ream out these little Chinese girls all day & night with our monster dongs. MuHAAAAAAAA (my evil Homer laugh)

-CPE
You Big Dongs are what makes us Little Winnies the preferred customer base of the ladies. I loooooove goiing on the hunt with you guys - all these cute little things scamper away and beseech, solicit, plead, beg and implore me to take her take her - don't let them gorillas take me!
Ahhhh - life's sweet
SE Asia - The Sweet Alternative

SE Asia Joe
12-18-07, 03:18
So...who of you guys out there are part of "perverted motherfucker" customer base?! Ha ha...

J

Come on you guys - who amongst you have NEVER pissed on the girl when taking a shower after the deed?
SE Asia

Acejack
12-18-07, 04:04
Hey Guys,

This one is for you Moody.

If you are going to give it to a fellow member at least get it right!

What the hell is a maroon?

I think it might be a reddy browny purple colour.

I reckon you meant to spell MORON.

And if you can't spell it you shouldnt be saying it.

Maybe its you who is a maroon? (LOL)

Just my 2 cents

Acejack

One Wing Low
12-18-07, 04:47
If there are any lies, prove it, or you are a big liar yourself.


Oh What Lies I've been hearing!
Our Jolly Old Saint Nick - all welcoming... but hating all of us for taking away HIS girls! HIS GIRLS, his own private harem - all of them. Insane jealousy Oh so many lies- O(h) W(hat) L(ies)!
Life's good.... and take it all with a grain of sugar
SE Asia

SE Asia Joe
12-18-07, 06:06
If there are any lies, prove it, or you are a big liar yourself.

HUH???!!
SE Asia Joe

Old Mean Dog
12-18-07, 07:37
If there are any lies, prove it, or you are a big liar yourself.

Oooh, Cat Fight!!

OWL, don't be so retarded! You tell us you are the Slayer of Snatch in Shenzhen, I'm sure you will "Crush the Pussy" (sic The Heartbreak Kid) in CP.

Why on earth would you ask us wankers for phone #'s of girls and mammies? Just use your Playa Skillz to "mac" on the girls and I am sure they will melt like butter in a microwave when you work your magic!!

hahahahaha....I think I just soiled myself.

-CPE

BTW: SE Asia Joe, welcome to the club! All you need to do now is be officially labeled a "wanker" and you will have descended into the Dark Side or as we lovingly call it The Outer Circle.....official membership application can be obtained from Bill Lee.

Santa
12-18-07, 07:38
Oh What Lies I've been hearing!
Our Jolly Old Saint Nick - all welcoming... but hating all of us for taking away HIS girls! HIS GIRLS, his own private harem - all of them. Insane jealousy when we even eye them! And still chiming "Ho Ho Ho" with a forced and stupid grin on his face!...................................................

Oh so many lies- O(h) W(hat) L(ies)!

SE Asia

I completely missed it too and thought it was a reference to my "jealousy" and my earlier post about the raids, and Dongguan going down in bbs quality. So I defended my post and said "Joe, you are new to this area and don't know if what I said is true".

If Expat hadn't pointed it out I think most of us would have missed it.

Old Mean Dog
12-18-07, 07:46
If Expat hadn't pointed it out I think most of us would have missed it.

That's because you are fecking too much, staying up all night drinking beer, eating those damn oysters and listening to too much LSD induced Rollling Stones shit.

Hehehe Slow Santa


-CPE

OldAsiaHand
12-18-07, 07:52
BTW: SE Asia Joe, welcome to the club! All you need to do now is be officially labeled a "wanker" and you will have descended into the Dark Side or as we lovingly call it The Outer Circle.....official membership application can be obtained from Bill Lee.

I thought it was The Inner Circle. I guess I am not in it yet, although I have been labeled a wanker.

OAH

Rontbo
12-18-07, 08:35
Hey Guys,

This one is for you Moody.

What the hell is a maroon?

AcejackNot taking any sides here, but I believe this is what Moody was referring too.

http://www.frogstar.com/wav/displaywav.asp?fil=ltbb_052.wav

Hey, we all make mistakes.

Rontbo

Bill Lee
12-18-07, 09:03
Hey Guys,

This one is for you Moody.

If you are going to give it to a fellow member at least get it right!

What the hell is a maroon?

I think it might be a reddy browny purple colour.

I reckon you meant to spell MORON.

And if you can't spell it you shouldnt be saying it.

Maybe its you who is a maroon? (LOL)

Just my 2 cents

Acejack

Hey douchebag:

He's quoting Bugs Bunny: In the famous words of one Signore Bugs Bunny, "what a maroon..."

You can take the Ningbo out of the country but you can't take the country out of the Ningbo.

This coming from a knucklehead with more short posts than you can count on a McDonald's menu and an unpaid subscription.

What a fricking maroon!

Flames on. Your turn.



Bill

Moody
12-18-07, 09:17
Hey Guys,

This one is for you Moody.

If you are going to give it to a fellow member at least get it right!

What the hell is a maroon?

I think it might be a reddy browny purple colour.

I reckon you meant to spell MORON.

And if you can't spell it you shouldnt be saying it.

Maybe its you who is a maroon? (LOL)

Just my 2 cents

Acejack

What an ignoranimous.

If you don't know what that means either, google it.

Moody
12-18-07, 09:21
I thought it was The Inner Circle. I guess I am not in it yet, although I have been labeled a wanker.

OAH

Is this something like having an innie or an outie bellybutton?

Bill Lee
12-18-07, 09:24
what an ignoranimous.

if you don't know what that means either, google it.


what's a google?

i mean, how can i google google?

(more useless dg postings)
bill

how about we call acejack, ningbopoop?

Moody
12-18-07, 09:28
If there are any lies, prove it, or you are a big liar yourself.

In OWL's defense, I don't think he lies on purpose. I think he's just delusional. That and "that boy's about as sharp as a bowling ball." And since OWL has me on his ignore list, he won't even see me saying these nice things about him.

SE Asia Joe
12-18-07, 09:31
Jeez! What did I start here?!
O(oooo) W(ho's) L(ame) here?
SE Asia Joe

Socrates69
12-18-07, 09:48
Later on in the night, about 11pm, I was in Yalan area and was offered a special deal by the mamasan: for 100 to the mommy and 100 each to the girls, so 300 total for two girls. It's not such a great deal in my opinion since Hui Mei/Night Market gals are 150 already, but in the Yalan, rarely does one see mamasans offer a rate under 200 out of the blue.
Hi johnny, I concur with oah re: payment for doubles or even serial dates from the same house. This is from personal experience from my summer july-aug trip to cp. btw, thanks for the tour of zhuhai awhile back. I just remembered, i was suppose to fwd some info to you via e-mail. I'll do it when i get a chance.


The authorities don't like mongers who do 150rmb quickies, they prefer the fat wallets and big spenders.

This is just my perception of the situation and I think the other guys posting here will agree.Apparently, there have been some busts in cp lately! ? ! (sorry, just getting caught up here.) When I was last there in oct. It was fine, but the canton fair was going on, and the demand was high. Thus, I noticed the girls rushing you more, begging for more tips, giving below avgerage service vs. All my previous trips. Also, less allowance of pics, less overnighters.

As for the busts, not sure why they are occuring. Maybe it's a cyclical thing. My guess is, perhaps it has something to do with the changes that have occured this past year. Some of these changes imo are:

-an influx of pure sex tourist types vs. Typical Chinese businessmen from sin/tpe/hk/etc. Perhaps some of the xenophobic Chinese businessmen are complaining about the influx of multi-ethnic sex tourists?

-more publicity about the scene in cp. Posts/pics across internet boards about the scene in cp. Remember what happened to shenzhen after their p4p scene was brought to the public eye.

Dunno. Maybe, the local police are just looking for a bigger payoff from the houses much like what happened to the house in isaan Thailand.

Moody
12-18-07, 09:54
Acejack you nimrod,

Here's another etymology lesson.

I bet you don't know what "nimrod" means either. Until Bug Bunny called Elmer Fudd a "little nimrod," it meant "hunter." The real funny thing being that Bugs actually used the word correctly (for that time) since Elmer was indeed a hunter. Since that episode though, it's meant "dumbass."

Moody
12-18-07, 10:01
Jeez! What did I start here?!
O(oooo) W(ho's) L(ame) here?
SE Asia Joe

Dashing through the snow, on a O(ne) W(hore's open) L(ay)....

Moody
12-18-07, 10:05
Come on you guys - who amongst you have NEVER pissed on the girl when taking a shower after the deed?
SE Asia

One time.... I told a girl I had to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in the middle of a blow. She said something like, "men can't [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) if their dick is hard." Sounded like a challenge I couldn't pass up. It took a lot of effort..... but I managed to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in her mouth in the middle of a blowjob. Man.... I don't think I've ever seen a girl run to the bathroom that fast.... I couldn't stop laughing the whole night, and the next day, and the next night, and the next day......

Shady Slim
12-18-07, 10:22
One time. I told a girl I had to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in the middle of a blow. She said something like, "men can't [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) if their dick is hard. " Sounded like a challenge I couldn't pass up. It took a lot of effort. But I managed to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in her mouth in the middle of a blowjob. Man. I don't think I've ever seen a girl run to the bathroom that fast. I couldn't stop laughing the whole night, and the next day, and the next night, and the next day. Hey, I am laughing about it now, and can't stop over it.

Old Mean Dog
12-18-07, 11:26
one time.... i told a girl i had to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in the middle of a blow. she said something like, "men can't [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) if their dick is hard." sounded like a challenge i couldn't pass up. it took a lot of effort..... but i managed to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in her mouth in the middle of a blowjob. man.... i don't think i've ever seen a girl run to the bathroom that fast.... i couldn't stop laughing the whole night, and the next day, and the next night, and the next day......

omg, this is the second time i have shit my pants today laughing so hard. to make matters worse, i ran out of adult [CodeWord131] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131) last night from my sex games. damn rot gut beer and street food...

since we all know owl likes to fantasize, i felt this was appropriate for him:

o(nly) w(ith) l(ubrication)

-cpe

SE Asia Joe
12-18-07, 11:51
one time.... i told a girl i had to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in the middle of a blow. she said something like, "men can't [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) if their dick is hard." sounded like a challenge i couldn't pass up. it took a lot of effort..... but i managed to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in her mouth in the middle of a blowjob. man.... i don't think i've ever seen a girl run to the bathroom that fast.... i couldn't stop laughing the whole night, and the next day, and the next night, and the next day......
yowich.... reminds me of the one and only time for me.
was partying in foshan all night and had lots.... and i mean lots of beer -and then ended up in the sack with this hot mommy (lots hotter than the xiaojies!!). a combination of being completely drunk (just about lost all sensation!) and a healthy dose of vitamin c kept me going for the longest damn time. she was truly impressed by my bonking her so heartily - whilst the truth of the matter was that i was just wishing it would be over soon so that i can go take a [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134).
well... the inevitable of course played out and i came and i don't know what happened - but right away i started peeing, and peeing and peeing some more - whilst i was still inside of her! i grabbed a hold of the base of the rubbers and the damn thing just filled up and in turn filled her up thoroughly. i mean by the time i stopped, i must have pissed a gallon - and man.... my mommy was truly ecstatic. she kept on repeating that she's never been fucked like that! man how did i do that? god she never felt that way. was this some new technique? and on and on....
actually what happened truly amazed me too! i've never had that happen before and have never been able to repeat. but that night.... man!
so thuere you go johnny kon - talk about being perverted!!
se asia

Santa
12-18-07, 17:18
In OWL's defense, I don't think he lies on purpose. I think he's just delusional. That and "that boy's about as sharp as a bowling ball." And since OWL has me on his ignore list, he won't even see me saying these nice things about him.

(O)n (W)rong (L)ist.

Now he will see.

Tiger 888
12-18-07, 17:47
(O)n (W)rong (L)ist.

Now he will see.Come on guys, (O)n (W)hat (L)evel are we going to continue this discussion?
(O)thers (W)ould (L)ough

Goreng Pisang
12-18-07, 18:25
One time. I told a girl I had to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in the middle of a blow. She said something like, "men can't [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) if their dick is hard. " Sounded like a challenge I couldn't pass up. It took a lot of effort. But I managed to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in her mouth in the middle of a blowjob. Man. I don't think I've ever seen a girl run to the bathroom that fast. I couldn't stop laughing the whole night, and the next day, and the next night, and the next day. Moody. You're sick!

Goreng pisang

Ps. But it is really freaking funny. Wahahaha

Goreng Pisang
12-18-07, 18:35
Honorable Senior Members and friends,

Let me try to steer you guys away before WWIII breaks out.

Remembered sometime back someone mentioned the Silvery spring spa and ask if it is good. This trip (my 3rd), I tried both Silvery and Di Hao Hui.

My conclusion? Silvery is one notch up. Its newer (6 mth old), bigger, close to same damage, cleaner!

It also has a common hot/cold pool for you guys and your girlfriend on the ground floor.

Buffet is reasonable good.

Probably the only setback is that Di Hao Hui has pools with Chinese medicaine that is meant for certain good (and I know nuts about that) while Silvery does not.

Will continue with more reports on KTV soon.

Cheers

Goreng Pisang

Loso69
12-18-07, 20:44
I've only been home for a few days, but I've already bought my next plane tickets. I should be back in CP on January 15.

BTW, enough of this OWL shit. Let's try a new one. How about OPP?

One Pretty Picture :)

Traveler1234
12-18-07, 21:06
I've only been home for a few days, but I've already bought my next plane tickets. I should be back in CP on January 15.

BTW, enough of this OWL shit. Let's try a new one. How about OPP?

One Pretty Picture :)

I like her sweater :)

Loso69
12-19-07, 01:02
I like her sweater :)

How about her handbag? :)

Fast Eddie 48
12-19-07, 01:06
How about her handbag? :)Loso 69,

No wonder you are coming back so soon hope that you are not coming back to marry her because I will like to try her out first .

Fast eddie 48

A John
12-19-07, 01:29
It's the rinestones for me.


How about her handbag? :)

Old Mean Dog
12-19-07, 03:48
Honorable Senior Members and friends,

Let me try to steer you guys away before WWIII breaks out.

Remembered sometime back someone mentioned the Silvery spring spa and ask if it is good. This trip (my 3rd), I tried both Silvery and Di Hao Hui.

My conclusion? Silvery is one notch up. Its newer (6 mth old), bigger, close to same damage, cleaner!

It also has a common hot/cold pool for you guys and your girlfriend on the ground floor.

Buffet is reasonable good.

Probably the only setback is that Di Hao Hui has pools with Chinese medicaine that is meant for certain good (and I know nuts about that) while Silvery does not.

Will continue with more reports on KTV soon.

Cheers

Goreng Pisang

You forgot to mention the small pool in the back with little fish in it that nibble away your dead skin, quite a strange experience.

-CPE

Old Mean Dog
12-19-07, 08:00
I've only been home for a few days, but I've already bought my next plane tickets. I should be back in CP on January 15.

BTW, enough of this OWL shit. Let's try a new one. How about OPP?

One Pretty Picture :)

Funny, OWL Shit 8-)

I'm down with OPP

Especially if it is O(ther) P(eoples) P(ussy).....did you hear that Santa?

Girls behind New Century, just like anywhere else in town, but with Yalan prices.

Old Mean Dog
12-19-07, 08:03
Loso 69,

No wonder you are coming back so soon hope that you are not coming back to marry her because I will like to try her out first .

Fast eddie 48

Fast Eddie,

Get in line and no cutting, I am sure Santa and Bill Lee already have her digits and I suspect one of them is probably boning her as I write this.

-CPE

Word Wiz
12-19-07, 14:23
I will be in Dongguan on Feb 22nd thru feb25, anyone out there going to be in town looking to hook up?

Word Wiz
12-19-07, 15:20
Anyone going to be in the area Feb 22nd thru Feb 25? I would love to hook up.

BigEightEight
12-19-07, 16:23
Anyone knows whether wi fi is available in CP. How about the new Starbucks or hotel lobby's etc.

Bill Lee
12-19-07, 18:50
at starbuck and mitos restaurants but it's at crawling speed. good for slow download of e-mail but not much more.

no hotel lobby in cp has wifi, not that i know of.

fastest speed i am aware of is in the miraton (as high as 1 meg download) but someone has reported problem with the connection there and has moved to the hua hwa (p.s. - hotel next to miraton) instead.

i have come across some unsecured wifi signals while in the miraton area. but the signal strength were one bar and were not worth taking a chance on logging in.

bill



anyone knows whether wi fi is available in cp. how about the new starbucks or hotel lobby's etc.

Loso69
12-19-07, 21:17
If anyone's interested in my sloppy seconds, Tan Tan works in the BBS on the left in the alley next to the Silver Star Hotel. First come, first served! :)

Loso

ManonsanBoy
12-20-07, 00:28
there are so many posts on cp; mongers may want some information on tangxia and guanlan.

guanlan may have the cheapest bbs in the area. they are rep001tered in clusters off the main street around the "gutsin" hotel. 100 for locals and 130 for non guanlan locals. ask any local taxi drivers. guanlan town has only 1 main street. for reasons not clear to me, it has almost no saunas etc.

tangxia by contrast has the lot.

top end is as reported, sangem goodview. sauna is pricy, @ 900-1000 total for great room, usually great service. ktv is 3,5,1500 (specials). the night club is great. i even scored a fl once who was staying at the hotel over the weekend. i was having a quiet drink in the front bar and a smartly dressed 20's something guangxi 9 smiled at me. i thought the trade was strictly controlled in the hotel but in the weekends, there are so many guests, she does a bit of business. so small talk, dinner, over night, b'fast and next day. 1500 rmb.

sunny business hotel 13712196866 is on the outskirts of tangxia and a purpose built brothel. room is 178 (but buy 3, get 1 free) and girls are 300, 400 depending on presentation. scrub, water bed and mirrors.

parliz is just outside mission hills gc. once a mixed hotel now converted to full time sauna. 200 for room and 400 for girls. patchy quality but convenient if you are playing golf.

golden lake has a sauna. mummy: 13724596591 rooms are 148 to 278 depending on what rooms and when. 2 hours of mostly competent fs.

yiking is just outside town centre. hotel and the works. sauna is 228 and 400,500 for girls.

if you want bbs, there is a hotel yabo 076982086333 just 5 minutes from around 10 bbs. yabo is totally friendly. short time rooms; 80 rmb and 180 for a day. walk out, turn right, 5 minutes away (turn left at street with flashing yellow lights) and you find a street with around 10 bbs. best is run by a husband and wife team; first 2 shops on the right. 130 on site and 150 take out. there are isolated bbs rep001tered on virtually on every block. they recruit from the factories and serve mostly locals.

the scene is fairly low key but tangxia seems to have many saunas and they are not short of business.

tangxia is not a place to monger if you do not speak putonghua.

Basher55
12-20-07, 00:43
You forgot to mention the small pool in the back with little fish in it that nibble away your dead skin, quite a strange experience.

-CPEAHHH my curent GF visited a place where the pool was full of litle fish, she wouldnt go in as scared they would swim in her pussy!!!apparently there are 1000's of little fish and when you jump in they basically are all over you.

SE Asia Joe
12-20-07, 04:53
If anyone's interested in my sloppy seconds, Tan Tan works in the BBS on the left in the alley next to the Silver Star Hotel. First come, first served! :)

Loso
OK - I'll get in line. But first - what's her "service" like? Is she a prima donna (sort of expecting this) or is she enthusiastic?
SE Asia Joe

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Crazier
12-20-07, 09:09
No hotel lobby in CP has wifi, not that I know of.

Bill

As far as I know, the last time I was there, the wifi signal in the Hui Hua Lobby is good (unsecured) but, it could have changed. Never know. There was no wifi signal that I detected in the Miraton Lobby.

Bill Lee
12-20-07, 09:18
Aside from my own wifi signal, my computer has detected a 1 bar XiaoHong unsecure wifi signal. Of course, I'm on the upper floor of the Miraton.

But I do recall detecting some unofficial wifi signals sitting in the lobby of the Miraton. Unofficial, meaning that the signal name was not obviously related to the hotel.

I will have to check the Miraton and Hui Hua lobby later for their signal and report back.

Bill



As far as I know, the last time I was there, the wifi signal in the Hui Hua Lobby is good (unsecured) but, it could have changed. Never know. There was no wifi signal that I detected in the Miraton Lobby.

Loso69
12-20-07, 17:29
Loso.

I'm always amazed and grateful for your contris. Pls tell me how you get them to allow pics to be taken?

I still don’t speak Chinese! I just open my safe, put in my wallet, take out my camera and show it to them. A Canon EOS 5D is an impressive piece of equipment! I show the girls their pictures (on my camera and on the big TV screen). Making them look great encourages them to take more pictures. I strike sexy female poses myself (funny!). To some girls, modeling comes naturally. Others need a lot of coaching. I also tell the girls I will burn them a CD with their pictures (and do so). Another incentive to take more pictures.

A few girls refused to have their picture taken in October. Their mamasan ended up 1 shoe short of a pair. :) Nothing but willing models when I returned in December.

BTW, I always take pictures first. Any girl who won’t allow pictures is sent back. If you fuck the girl first & she refuses to take pictures afterwards, there’s nothing you can do! :(


OK - I'll get in line. But first - what's her "service" like? Is she a prima donna (sort of expecting this) or is she enthusiastic?
SE Asia Joe

Tan Tan was a girl in a hurry. She was butt-naked by the time I got my camera out! I suggested she put her clothes back on, but she’s into artistic nudes. :) Didn’t get many pictures, though. She would only kiss on the lips. No DFK. She was quick to lube up, so I didn’t get the chance to eat her pussy. She did give me a BBBJ, but was pretty passive in bed. Since she was so easy on the eyes & never complained about my “ta didi”, it was still easy enough to shoot my load.

In short, Tan Tan’s a trophy fuck, but she does have a Prima Donna attitude.

Loso

Old Mean Dog
12-20-07, 18:24
I noticed tonight that the Ace's Club appears to be open (lighted sign), but could be they will open this weekend. This club is located next to Sundan and Starbucks across the street from the Rainbow Dept Store. Interesting is they have KTV, nightclub, billiards and I think a restaurant as the owner (or one of them) is an ABC from New York that I briefly met. Waikiki Bob told me this guy wanted to have a place that was good for the Expat crowd to hangout in.

I will check it out this weekend.

-CPE

BTW: There is a big pizza restaurant going up on the street over from the Miraton Hotel.

Chang Ping
12-20-07, 20:06
BTW, I always take pictures first. Any girl who won’t allow pictures is sent back. If you fuck the girl first & she refuses to take pictures afterwards, there’s nothing you can do! :(

LosoTks Loso. Great tips and will try. Question though, even if you don't fuck her, I know of a few that kick up a great fuss even without taking clothes off and demanding the 100rmb just becoz she has been taken out of the shop. I have sent a few back because of attitude problems without so much as touching them or having their clothes taken off.

Bill Lee
12-20-07, 22:19
Spoke with mommy from 5th floor KTV in the Yalan area. There was a raid on a house across from their shop. Police were looking for migrant workers not registered with the local government.

Several people were arrested. The shops were left alone but some were temporarily closed due to the LE activities in the area.


Bill

Goreng Pisang
12-21-07, 17:13
at starbuck and mitos restaurants but it's at crawling speed. good for slow download of e-mail but not much more.

no hotel lobby in cp has wifi, not that i know of.

fastest speed i am aware of is in the miraton (as high as 1 meg download) but someone has reported problem with the connection there and has moved to the hua hwa (p.s. - hotel next to miraton) instead.

i have come across some unsecured wifi signals while in the miraton area. but the signal strength were one bar and were not worth taking a chance on logging in.

billwell, i stayed in hui hua and you know what? the internet surfing is chargable. not that i am surprised at them charging, but rather the double standard.

this is what happened:

!st time i went into the biz ctr where the internet room is, i used for a easy 20minutes. left the room and the staffs even greeted me and bid farewell.

2nd time, when i ask for it, the female staff told me it cost something like 15rmb for every 15 minutes. when i said i'll only take a min to check my mails, she said anything below 5 minutes is free. i used for 20 minutes again and walked out. they did not even mention charges and again bid farewell.

so does anyone knows exactly if it is chargable??

by the way, the speed is reasonable.

cheers,

goreng pisang

Goreng Pisang
12-21-07, 17:20
You forgot to mention the small pool in the back with little fish in it that nibble away your dead skin, quite a strange experience.

-CPEYou are right. Forgot that. De Hao Hui have it the last 3 times I was there. I tend to prefer the DHH's "Fish Treatment" pool. I guess it is becos they're hungrier!!

A strange sensation - no doubt! A stranger one when they start givin' you a blow job! Wahahaha.

Goreng Pisang

Goreng Pisang
12-21-07, 17:38
my friend and i took a private car "taxi" and we were charged 30rmb. didn't wanna be late and so accepted the fare.

place. so so. a more classic kinda look. rooms do not even have a plasma tv. only a 29" ray-tube tv.

girs. 3 catorgories:

2-5-8: the normal ones like all other ktv. attitude an't that good. once we shook our head to signal to the mommy to change a batch, there were a few that just turned and walk out! so, it was eventually the mommies we "fuck" for their girls bad attitude!

3-6-9: didn't look any better than the previous. they wore a tag on their dress. i was later told they were 369 because you get to play with them in the room, which indeed i saw my friend's paw all over her. she even responded pro-actively (can any fellow mongers verify that? ).

5-10-15 this model group is a big joke! tall they may be with long legs. but god! their face! its like a face that has been bashed by a speeding train! after 3 rounds showing (5 "models"each round) we decided on the 258 and 369! just my pov.

service. good but not better than others. dj was not even paying attention when i ask for a song!

i'll probably go back one more time to see if its the same. if so, fuck it!

will report on jia yi and miraton soon.

cheers

goreng pisang

Loso69
12-22-07, 05:58
Tks Loso. Great tips and will try. Question though, even if you don't fuck her, I know of a few that kick up a great fuss even without taking clothes off and demanding the 100rmb just becoz she has been taken out of the shop. I have sent a few back because of attitude problems without so much as touching them or having their clothes taken off.

Do you take the girl back to her BBS? That way, she has to explain herself to the mommie. You get a replacement or your money back.

A funny story

One girl from Yalan brought her knitting. :) I interpreted that as a sign she wanted to spend the night. When we got to the room, she started knitting. I’d just done a ST, so I was in no hurry to fuck her. After a while, she wants to take a shower. I ask if she’s interested in spending the night. No problem. I get my camera out. She loves to model. She tries on many of my outfits and we spend hours taking pictures. After the photo shoot, I wanna go out for dinner. She wants me to have dinner alone & refuses to go with me. She finally agrees to join me, provided I give her the CD with her pictures first. While I’m processing her pictures, she’s knitting again.

I believe she received a phone call from a previous customer. She wants to join him, but she’s stuck with me. She plans her escape. At one point, she went outside to look at my room number. I think she was trying to convince her mommie to bring a replacement to my room, but the mommie wouldn’t bite.

I burn her CD and we go out together. I sense she wants to escape, so I hold her hand. She’s talking to the street mommies, trying to get them to find a replacement. I ain’t interested. I have my dinner. She just orders a drink. We get back to my room. She’s still stuck with me. She wants to leave, but I won’t let her go unless we fuck. Either that or I want the 100 RMB back that I paid her mommie.

She starts making phone calls. Her mommie. The other guy. She’s pouting. She’s not happy at all. In the end, she takes 100 RMB out of her purse, throws it on the bed and slams the door as she leaves. :)

She wanted my pictures. She didn't want my dick. :)

Loso

Old Mean Dog
12-22-07, 06:21
She tries on many of my outfits and we spend hours taking pictures.

Loso,

Last time we met in SZ, you had a suitcase full of camera equipment, does this mean you also lug around a wardrobe full of girly clothes too??

Let me get this straight, you pull a girl under the pretense of ST, but know you are not in the mood to bang her since you already had one. Then you keep her for several hours, taking photos of her and walking around town while you are debating if you should accept her LT. Then while you are contemplating this, she decides it would be more profitable to be with someone else, you want your 100 rmb back??

I don't get it? Ever heard the saying "Time is money"? You want photos as bad as you want to fuck these girls, I think whichever you get is worth 100 rmb. I would guess 95% of the time these girls ain't with us for our charming personality and boyish good looks. It's business for them plain and simple. How many of us would like people wasting our time when we could be making more money or doing something else?

-CPE

BTW: As a side note to some; A girl does not have to accept LT with you. Normally, ST means one pop or a certain amount of time whichever comes first.

Loso69
12-22-07, 07:20
Last time we met in SZ, you had a suitcase full of camera equipment, does this mean you also lug around a wardrobe full of girly clothes too??


Yes, I carry plenty of sexy outfits. Most Chinese girls won't pose in them. Filipinas seldom have a problem modeling my outfits.



Let me get this straight, you pull a girl under the pretense of ST, but know you are not in the mood to bang her since you already had one. Then you keep her for several hours, taking photos of her and walking around town while you are debating if you should accept her LT. Then while you are contemplating this, she decides it would be more profitable to be with someone else, you want your 100 rmb back??


When she wanted to take a shower, I asked her if she wanted to spend the night. If she'd have said "No", I would have banged her and it would have been a ST. As she said yes, the LT was a done deal for me & time was no longer important.

I don't pay 100 RMB for someone else to fuck the girl. If he wanted to take her from me, he had to give my 100 RMB back. In the end, that's probably what he agreed to.



I don't get it? Ever heard the saying "Time is money"? You want photos as bad as you want to fuck these girls, I think whichever you get is worth 100 rmb. I would guess 95% of the time these girls ain't with us for our charming personality and boyish good looks. It's business for them plain and simple. How many of us would like people wasting our time when we could be making more money or doing something else?


Time is money? Nah! Sex is what they get paid for! And no sex means no money!

Loso

OldAsiaHand
12-22-07, 07:44
Time is money? Nah! Sex is what they get paid for! And no sex means no money!
Loso

Most of these BBS girls in CP couldn't give a shit whether you fuck them or not. In fact, many would prefer that you don't fuck them given the same set of financial circumstances. And, they have not the least desire to spend time with you without any money, CD or otherwise. Do you really think that all she wanted was the pictures? I cannot believe you are so naive.

It is obvious that the other customer was more generous than you are so she wanted to split to be with him. Otherwise, she would never have given you back your money. Frankly, I am very surprised she did anyway.

I agree with CPExpat. You took her time and she posed for you, you should have paid her for it. IMHO, you cheated her.

A bit of humble advice. You will begin to get a bad reputation in CP and may find it difficult to get served eventually.

Finally, is your Chinese that good that you can communicate with the girls at that level and understand their conversations with others? Is it possible that something was lost in translation?

Just my POV.

OAH

SE Asia Joe
12-22-07, 08:05
Time is money? Nah! Sex is what they get paid for! And no sex means no money!
Loso

Today, I went to a BBS in the alley to the left of the Hui Mei Hotel and picked a beauty called Lulu. When we got to my hotel, Lulu refused to let me take any pictures, so I escorted her straight back to the BBS.
Back to the BBS, where I insisted on getting my money back (50 RMB). The mamasan refused. I wasn't gonna let the fucking bi*ch rip me off, so I picked up one of her shoes and walked away!
Loso

At Yalan yesterday, I picked Wen Wen Xiao Ching was happy to take more pictures,
But neither girl wanted to stay the night. Anyway, I sent them both back and exchanged them for 2 girls who were willing to spend the night.
4 girls came to my room. All 4 of them were sent back. And I'll keep sending them back if they won't perform.
After 3 days and 7 girls in CP, my conclusion so far is that the service level in CP has gone totally down the drain.
Loso

When we got to my room, I simply got my camera out and all the girls were happy to pose for 10+ to 100+ pictures.
I don’t speak Chinese. I don’t discuss pictures beforehand, either with the girl or the mamasan. Based on previous experience, I simply expect the girls to allow pictures
Last night, another girl was invited to leave after refusing pictures. Her replacement loved the camera. Unfortunately, modeling was the only thing she was good at.
Loso


A few girls refused to have their picture taken in October. Their mamasan ended up 1 shoe short of a pair. :) Nothing but willing models when I returned in December.
BTW, I always take pictures first. Any girl who won’t allow pictures is sent back.
Loso


I was in no hurry to fuck her. After the photo shoot, I wanna go out for dinner. . She finally agrees to join me, provided I give her the CD with her pictures first.
I sense she wants to escape, so I hold her hand. She wants to leave, but I won’t let her go unless we fuck. Either that or I want the 100 RMB back that I paid her mommie.
Loso

Loso - I am NOT trying to flame you or start a flame war or anything of the sort. But, I believe that you've had a pretty good time in CP and thus this my appeal to you to NOT spoil CP for the rest of us foreigner mongers - specifically by encouraging others on this board to emulate you.
Please think about the way you act in CP versus how you would act in your own community. Or even in other mongering destinations like say PI or Mexico or south america - if you acted the same way there, you'd have already been beaten up long ago - NOT?
Time IS money - wherever and whoever it concerns. As a westerner, RMB 100 = US$ 13 is next to nothing but to these girls - they are actually selling their whole body to you for this amount. Is there any justification to use your $13 the way you use it?
We've been quite fortunate to be able to savor CP the way we do, and I would hope you will see that there is hardly any justification for you to use RMB 100 to force your own will on these girls and their mommies, the way that you do.
Sorry if I came accross too hard etc - but surely.....
Se Asia Joe

Moody
12-22-07, 08:47
If you guys wanna take pics and stuff, that's fine, but you gotta make your intentions know before you take the girl out. Normal service is just a straight fuck. Everything else has to be more or less agreed upon in advance, even something as basic as a blowjob. If you don't negotiate for something in advance, you really don't have any right to expect it. That's just the way it is in China. To take a girl and then refuse to pay her because she refuses to pose for pics, if you haven't negotiated for it in advance, is just plain silly. It's a waste of time for both parties, and seriously I don't care about the girl's time, but I do care about MY time. To be honest, I don't really care what any of you guys do. It really doesn't affect me in the least. Take all the girls back to your room and then send them all back and do it again for all I care, maybe some of you guys find that sort of thing entertaining.

BTW, if I ever get to the point in my life where I'm escorting a girl back to her place and then arguing with a mommy for god knows how long to get 50RMB back..... do me a favor guys, just shoot me and put me out of my misery.

Wadman
12-22-07, 10:40
Goreng,

The services at the business centre are always chargable. When referring to "free internet" it means free in-room internet.

I remember using the phone in the business centre of the Miraton hotel. FedEx requires that you can from a landline to arrange for pick-up (to prevent prank calls). 20 rmb for 20 minutes, all local calls!



Well, I stayed in Hui Hua and you know what? The internet surfing is chargable. Not that I am surprised at them charging, but rather the double standard.

This is what happened:

!st time I went into the Biz Ctr where the internet room is, I used for a easy 20minutes. Left the room and the staffs even greeted me and bid farewell.

2nd time, When I ask for it, the female staff told me it cost something like 15RMB for every 15 minutes. When I said I'll only take a min to check my mails, she said anything below 5 minutes is free. I used for 20 minutes again and walked out. They did not even mention charges and again bid farewell.

So does anyone knows exactly if it is chargable??

Old Mean Dog
12-22-07, 13:25
Time is money? Nah! Sex is what they get paid for! And no sex means no money!

Loso

First, I have met and know Loso69, this is a mongers debate, not a flame war. Though I do not agree with some of his tactics, he is a true monger and a nice guy with his fellow mongers.

That being said:

Actually, your a bit off. It's sex or time, whichever comes first. Some guys, like to play "dress up", while others like to go to dinner and dancing like a GFE. Should that girl only get 100 rmb for using her time (3, 4 or more hours) until you get the notion to fuck her?

If a guy wants ST, then fuck her, if you want to take photos and do other things then 2 hours is the unwritten rule most abide by and should justify the 100 rmb. If you take here LT, then this is usually not 24 hours and is clocked more like a hotel, i.e. check-in after 2 pm and check-out before 12 pm.

I also suggest as many others have already said; If you don't want to learn putonghua, fine, but at least learn or write down the phrases to tell the mommy/girl what you exactly want to avoid confrontations.

-CPE

BTW: Was this girl Dan-Dan from Jojo's shop?

Loso69
12-22-07, 19:51
Most of these BBS girls in CP couldn't give a shit whether you fuck them or not. In fact, many would prefer that you don't fuck them given the same set of financial circumstances.


Of course they’d rather get paid without getting fucked. Ain’t gonna happen!


And, they have not the least desire to spend time with you without any money, CD or otherwise. Do you really think that all she wanted was the pictures? I cannot believe you are so naive.


She agreed to the LT deal. She truly seemed to enjoy the photo shoot. But then she got a phone call & suddenly wanted to leave. If another guy wants to steal my girl, do you really expect me to make it easy on him? Hell, no!

BTW, she did want the pictures. She knew it was gonna take an hour before the CD was ready. She was happy to wait.



It is obvious that the other customer was more generous than you are so she wanted to split to be with him. Otherwise, she would never have given you back your money. Frankly, I am very surprised she did anyway.


It’s possible that the other guy was a generous tipper. But it’s more likely she’d rather fuck a Chinese guy than a “big dick” laowai. Laowais are 2nd rate customers in CP. We always will be.



I agree with CPExpat. You took her time and she posed for you, you should have paid her for it. IMHO, you cheated her.


She wanted to escape. She tried to run away while we were outside. She never expected to get paid. She just didn’t want to give my 100 RMB back (mommie’s share). You think I cheated her. IMHO, I’m the only one who got cheated... by the prick who stole my girl. Giving me my money back was the least he could do!

BTW, I collect pictures of girls I fucked. Since I didn’t fuck her, her pictures are as useless as the zillions of Internet babes.



A bit of humble advice. You will begin to get a bad reputation in CP and may find it difficult to get served eventually.


I’d rather get a bad reputation than be known as a pushover.



Finally, is your Chinese that good that you can communicate with the girls at that level and understand their conversations with others? Is it possible that something was lost in translation?


As I’ve stated many times, I don’t speak a word of Chinese. I do use AltaVista to communicate with the girls in my room, though.

The situation was abundantly clear. She was perfectly happy to be with me (for the money, of course)... until that prick called. From that point on, she just wanted to escape...



Please think about the way you act in CP versus how you would act in your own community. Or even in other mongering destinations like say PI or Mexico or south america - if you acted the same way there, you'd have already been beaten up long ago - NOT?
Time IS money - wherever and whoever it concerns. As a westerner, RMB 100 = US$ 13 is next to nothing but to these girls - they are actually selling their whole body to you for this amount. Is there any justification to use your $13 the way you use it?
We've been quite fortunate to be able to savor CP the way we do, and I would hope you will see that there is hardly any justification for you to use RMB 100 to force your own will on these girls and their mommies, the way that you do.
Sorry if I came across too hard etc - but surely.....



BTW, if I ever get to the point in my life where I'm escorting a girl back to her place and then arguing with a mommy for god knows how long to get 50RMB back..... do me a favor guys, just shoot me and put me out of my misery.


It’s not about the money. It’s about the principle. Any girl or mommie who thinks she can walk all over me and get away with it, can bloody well forget about it! You give me a hard time. I retaliate! Always! Everywhere!


Actually, your a bit off. It's sex or time, whichever comes first. Some guys, like to play "dress up", while others like to go to dinner and dancing like a GFE. Should that girl only get 100 rmb for using her time (3, 4 or more hours) until you get the notion to fuck her?

If a guy wants ST, then fuck her, if you want to take photos and do other things then 2 hours is the unwritten rule most abide by and should justify the 100 rmb. If you take here LT, then this is usually not 24 hours and is clocked more like a hotel, i.e. check-in after 2 pm and check-out before 12 pm.


I’m aware of the rules. Only, the girl agreed to the LT deal, after which time was no longer an issue. If she honored the deal, she would have gotten paid. If she converted the LT into a ST, she would have gotten the ST rate (+ tip). But she elected to leave without having the courtesy to fuck me first...



I also suggest as many others have already said; If you don't want to learn putonghua, fine, but at least learn or write down the phrases to tell the mommy/girl what you exactly want to avoid confrontations.


Miscommunication was not the issue in this case. The only problem was the prick on the phone!



BTW: Was this girl Dan-Dan from Jojo's shop?


Her name was Xiao Yu, from the Yalan BBS on the 5th fl, above the karaoke.

Loso

Loso69
12-22-07, 20:18
1) I go to a Yalan BBS and agree to take a girl home. Then Xiao Ching walks in & says hello. I fucked her last year. She’s gorgeous. She was a great performer. I pay the mommie another 100 RMB.

We get to my room. I take a few pictures of both girls. Xiao Ching gets a phone call and suddenly wants to leave... but waits for the CD with her pictures. She wants to go straight to the prick on the phone. I insist she accompany me back to the BBS, so I can get a replacement.

2) I take a Yalan girl home. When she gets to my hotel, she suddenly develops a tummy bug & wants to leave. She says she’ll come back tomorrow. And I was born yesterday! When we get back to her BBS, it turns out she was a very lucky girl. The place was raided while she was with me. If I hadn’t taken her out, she would have ended up in jail & it would have cost her 500 RMB to get out. Since there are hardly any girls left, the mommie gives me my 100 RMB back.

Anyway, guys contacting BBS girls directly & stealing other people’s girls has become a damn nuisance in CP. And it definitely doesn’t help to be a laowai – not exactly the preferred customer!

Loso

Loso69
12-22-07, 20:29
this story was previously posted on another board. the names mentioned are members of that board.

when i met oyoy yesterday, he introduced me to his favorite hui mei mamasan. she has about 25 girls in her stable, with plenty of fresh meat. the mamasan was pushing some overweight fuglies. i wasn’t interested. my eyes were fixated on wei ting’s adorable face. oyoy had the mamasan call her over, but she seemed reluctant to fuck a laowai and hurried back to her seat. i surveyed the talent pool one more time. none of the other girls could match wei ting’s exquisite beauty. once the mamasan realized that wei ting was the only girl i wanted, she had her sitting on my lap...

when i agreed to take wei ting, the mamasan was urging me to get a 2nd girl. as i spotted juen juen walking in, i was in love. her eyes peering through my favorite haircut were simply irresistible. i also recognized juen juen as one of the girls from blik’s post, so i knew she was no stranger to laowai dick. that was confirmed when oyoy warned her that laowais were a tad bigger. she replied that was “enjoyable”.

the mamasan made a feeble attempt to sell me a 3rd girl, but i walked out with 2 trophy fucks on my arm and a big grin on my face.

i took pictures of both girls. the 3 of us showered together. everything was going great. until we got to the bed...

i nibbled on juen juen’s small titties. wei ting was better endowed. when i tried to head south, i was trespassing on forbidden territory. neither girl would allow me to eat her pussy.

time to let the girls go to work on me. even though i’d just showered, wei ting wasted half a box of tissues making sure my dick was perfectly clean. after sucking my dick for about 10 seconds, she started gagging and reached for the box of tissues. enough of that...

juen juen actually knew what she was doing. she went pretty deep and applied just enough suction power to make my dick tingle. definitely bbbjcim material. provided she suck my dick for more than just 2 minutes.

btw, while one girl had my dick in her mouth, i wanted the other girl to kiss me. neither of them would. they’d only suck on my nipples.

i wanted to fuck wei ting first, as i figured she was the most likely to complain. after i wrapped up, she sat on my dick and tried to push it inside. not an easy task, as she was as dry as a nun’s gusset. after applying some lubricant, i urged her to try again. she wanted me to do the honors instead. but wei ting was constantly moving about, and my dick isn’t equipped with the positioning system of a guided missile. in the end, i sat up, took aim and directed my stalagmite inside her grotto. just the head of my dick entering her was enough to make her jump. i made a few more attempts to penetrate her, but wei ting was constantly pushing me away, as she explored every inch of my bed. enough of that...

when i wanted to move on to juen juen, i was greeted with a cold “no”. she wouldn’t let me get near her. wtf? i have 2 girls and i can’t fuck either of them? reminding them that no fucking meant no money didn’t stop the girls from putting their clothes on.

i called oyoy, who could communicate with the girls. even though i didn’t fuck either of them, they still expected to get paid. no way! to keep the peace, oyoy suggested i give the girls some money for their trouble. i reluctantly agreed to give them 50 rmb each. but that wouldn’t do. they insisted on getting paid in full. i was willing to give them 100 rmb each if juen juen gave me a bbbjcim. no deal! either i paid them in full or they’d have me beaten up! wtf? i grabbed both girls and threw them out…

the girls were out of my room, but they were still hanging out in the corridor. and juen juen was on the phone...

a little later, the mamasan came knocking on my door. i let her in. the 2 girls joined her soon after. of course, i couldn’t communicate with the mamasan. i tried to call oyoy, but he wasn’t answering his phone. the mamasan called someone else to provide translation services. he sounded like an expat and was on my side, but all he could do was translate.

when oyoy called me back, he suggested he come to my room. when he showed up, he was accompanied by his lt girl from the same bbs & papadoc. he tried to reason with the mamasan and the girls, but to no avail.

since i hadn’t fucked either girl, there was no way i was going to pay them in full. the girls kept saying that my dick was too big. i fucked my 50th girl in changping the previous night and never had a problem. i was willing to show the mamasan my dick to prove my point. when it wasn’t the one-eyed monster she expected, she argued that it was a lot bigger when erect.

anyway, the girls still insisted on being paid in full. juen juen was on the phone, calling for reinforcements. oyoy pointed out that i wouldn’t be able to kick the girls out if goons were waiting outside my room. he tried to get hotel security to come to my room and escort the girls out, but was unable to get his point across. i’d had enough of this farce. i grabbed their arm and escorted the mamasan and girls out of my territory...

the assistant manager of the hotel called me and requested i change rooms, for safety reasons. when i got settled into my new room, i sent an sms to oyoy & papadoc.

oyoy called me back. he said that he saved my bacon by paying the girls off. his reasons weren’t entirely unselfish, though. he has the hots for juen juen! on the one hand, it was very generous of him. on the other hand, i didn’t want him to do that.

going with a laowai, refusing to fuck him because his dick is allegedly too big and still getting paid is entirely too easy. the 200 rmb means very little to me, but i wouldn’t pay them out of principle. now that the girls know that they can get away with it, they’ll do it again tomorrow. and they’ll tell their friends…

loso

ABCinLA
12-23-07, 00:07
but anyway i think he mentioned that he had 50 previous experiences in cp which were ok?

this story was previously posted on another board. the names mentioned are members of that board.

when i met oyoy yesterday, he introduced me to his favorite hui mei mamasan. she has about 25 girls in her stable, with plenty of fresh meat. the mamasan was pushing some overweight fuglies. i wasn’t interested. my eyes were fixated on wei ting’s adorable face. oyoy had the mamasan call her over, but she seemed reluctant to fuck a laowai and hurried back to her seat. i surveyed the talent pool one more time. none of the other girls could match wei ting’s exquisite beauty. once the mamasan realized that wei ting was the only girl i wanted, she had her sitting on my lap...

when i agreed to take wei ting, the mamasan was urging me to get a 2nd girl. as i spotted juen juen walking in, i was in love. her eyes peering through my favorite haircut were simply irresistible. i also recognized juen juen as one of the girls from blik’s post, so i knew she was no stranger to laowai dick. that was confirmed when oyoy warned her that laowais were a tad bigger. she replied that was “enjoyable”.

the mamasan made a feeble attempt to sell me a 3rd girl, but i walked out with 2 trophy fucks on my arm and a big grin on my face.

i took pictures of both girls. the 3 of us showered together. everything was going great. until we got to the bed...

i nibbled on juen juen’s small titties. wei ting was better endowed. when i tried to head south, i was trespassing on forbidden territory. neither girl would allow me to eat her pussy.

time to let the girls go to work on me. even though i’d just showered, wei ting wasted half a box of tissues making sure my dick was perfectly clean. after sucking my dick for about 10 seconds, she started gagging and reached for the box of tissues. enough of that...

juen juen actually knew what she was doing. she went pretty deep and applied just enough suction power to make my dick tingle. definitely bbbjcim material. provided she suck my dick for more than just 2 minutes.

btw, while one girl had my dick in her mouth, i wanted the other girl to kiss me. neither of them would. they’d only suck on my nipples.

i wanted to fuck wei ting first, as i figured she was the most likely to complain. after i wrapped up, she sat on my dick and tried to push it inside. not an easy task, as she was as dry as a nun’s gusset. after applying some lubricant, i urged her to try again. she wanted me to do the honors instead. but wei ting was constantly moving about, and my dick isn’t equipped with the positioning system of a guided missile. in the end, i sat up, took aim and directed my stalagmite inside her grotto. just the head of my dick entering her was enough to make her jump. i made a few more attempts to penetrate her, but wei ting was constantly pushing me away, as she explored every inch of my bed. enough of that...

when i wanted to move on to juen juen, i was greeted with a cold “no”. she wouldn’t let me get near her. wtf? i have 2 girls and i can’t fuck either of them? reminding them that no fucking meant no money didn’t stop the girls from putting their clothes on.

i called oyoy, who could communicate with the girls. even though i didn’t fuck either of them, they still expected to get paid. no way! to keep the peace, oyoy suggested i give the girls some money for their trouble. i reluctantly agreed to give them 50 rmb each. but that wouldn’t do. they insisted on getting paid in full. i was willing to give them 100 rmb each if juen juen gave me a bbbjcim. no deal! either i paid them in full or they’d have me beaten up! wtf? i grabbed both girls and threw them out…

the girls were out of my room, but they were still hanging out in the corridor. and juen juen was on the phone...

a little later, the mamasan came knocking on my door. i let her in. the 2 girls joined her soon after. of course, i couldn’t communicate with the mamasan. i tried to call oyoy, but he wasn’t answering his phone. the mamasan called someone else to provide translation services. he sounded like an expat and was on my side, but all he could do was translate.

when oyoy called me back, he suggested he come to my room. when he showed up, he was accompanied by his lt girl from the same bbs & papadoc. he tried to reason with the mamasan and the girls, but to no avail.

since i hadn’t fucked either girl, there was no way i was going to pay them in full. the girls kept saying that my dick was too big. i fucked my 50th girl in changping the previous night and never had a problem. i was willing to show the mamasan my dick to prove my point. when it wasn’t the one-eyed monster she expected, she argued that it was a lot bigger when erect.

anyway, the girls still insisted on being paid in full. juen juen was on the phone, calling for reinforcements. oyoy pointed out that i wouldn’t be able to kick the girls out if goons were waiting outside my room. he tried to get hotel security to come to my room and escort the girls out, but was unable to get his point across. i’d had enough of this farce. i grabbed their arm and escorted the mamasan and girls out of my territory...

the assistant manager of the hotel called me and requested i change rooms, for safety reasons. when i got settled into my new room, i sent an sms to oyoy & papadoc.

oyoy called me back. he said that he saved my bacon by paying the girls off. his reasons weren’t entirely unselfish, though. he has the hots for juen juen! on the one hand, it was very generous of him. on the other hand, i didn’t want him to do that.

going with a laowai, refusing to fuck him because his dick is allegedly too big and still getting paid is entirely too easy. the 200 rmb means very little to me, but i wouldn’t pay them out of principle. now that the girls know that they can get away with it, they’ll do it again tomorrow. and they’ll tell their friends…

loso

Tulip777
12-23-07, 00:17
What will the situation be like on Feb 8, a day after Chinese New Year? Is it worth going to Changping then? I hear a lot of girls meeting customers at the hotel. Is it a problem walking with the girl from BBS to the hotel? How friendly is the Miraton? Sorry for what many of you will consider to be stupid questions.

Infomatic
12-23-07, 00:44
You did great Loso69!

I wish guys in Beijing would have balls like yours, but they prefer to showoff their manlyhood by paying exorbitant sums and then brag about it on this forum.

Erik
12-23-07, 01:32
I am sorry to ask this if it has already been answered here, but I cannot find the info. Is it possible to have a tourist visa for China issued on the spot at Hong-Kong airport, or at any very convenient place between Hong-Kong airport and the Chinese border ?

Otherwise, this interesting rule about visa exemption for a week stay if you remain in one of the Special Economic Zones, does it really work for a laowai ? Or is it someting only for groups or business men ? Anyone knows ?
Thanks

Wadman
12-23-07, 02:20
Holy cow man, the mis-adventures of this guy in CP...



My eyes were fixated on Wei Ting’s adorable face. Oyoy had the mamasan call her over, but she seemed reluctant to fuck a laowai and hurried back to her seat.

The reason why the reluctant girls ultimately go with you is because, in front of the mamasan, she does not have a choice. Mama is only interested in making a sale and earning her commission. But if the girl is reluctant, you can expect bad service/trouble.



I took pictures of both girls. The 3 of us showered together. Everything was going great. Until we got to the bed...

Most of your pics seem to be tasteful non-nudes, as far as I can recall. Guess what? A lot of girls (P4P and regular) here go to professional studios to get these types of pictures taken. Typical cost is a few hundred RMB. Mind you, they get print-outs and the pics get Photoshopped.



When Oyoy called me back, he suggested he come to my room. When he showed up, he was accompanied by his LT girl from the same BBS & Papadoc. He tried to reason with the mamasan and the girls, but to no avail.

Oyoy must be a really nice guy or good friend to put up with all this crap...



The assistant manager of the hotel called me and requested I change rooms, for safety reasons.

Very sensible request from the assistant manager. If shit happens to you, he does not want it to happen inside his hotel. But you seem to be feel safe regardless.



Oyoy called me back. He said that he saved my bacon by paying the girls off. His reasons weren’t entirely unselfish, though. He has the hots for Juen Juen! On the one hand, it was very generous of him. On the other hand, I didn’t want him to do that.

Again, Oyoy must be a really nice guy/good friend. Oyoy selfish? If he wanted to fuck JuenJuen, all he has to do pay her 150/200 rmb!



Going with a laowai, refusing to fuck him because his dick is allegedly too big and still getting paid is entirely too easy.

I know plenty of laowai's in CP who get good service from the girls. Their rule is don't take the girls that don't want to go with a laowai. Dare I suggest you are getting fucked for other reasons...



The 200 RMB means very little to me, but I wouldn’t pay them out of principle.

Ahum! The BBS girls behind the HuiMei are 150, not 200 RMB.



Now that the girls know that they can get away with it, they’ll do it again tomorrow. And they’ll tell their friends…
Loso

It works both ways of course. If you are trouble, they will go back and tell their friends that you are trouble. When you pick one of their friends on your next shopping trip, she must think "heeey, free pics!" but will otherwise try to do as little as possible.

The moral of the story, as I see it, is that you have your European/Western values and you try to impose them onto people in China. I am not saying there is anything wrong with your values, but China is China. With its own values, rules and customs.

And finally, as much as I disagree with your tactics, I must admit these stories are fun to read :-)

Moody
12-23-07, 03:33
It’s not about the money. It’s about the principle. Any girl or mommie who thinks she can walk all over me and get away with it, can bloody well forget about it! You give me a hard time. I retaliate! Always! Everywhere!


It's also about the principle for them too. BTW, you might think you're being all clever and shit about your retaliating and taking the mommy's shoe, but you should also realize this is China. Life is cheap here. You [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) those people off enough, they'll also retaliate. It doesn't cost them much money to hire a couple guys to "take care" of you. Don't think that kind of thing doesn't happen. A friend of mine got kidnapped recently and it cost him 500K to get out. He's pretty sure it was a girl who set him up.

Bnlee2
12-23-07, 03:39
I am sorry to ask this if it has already been answered here, but I cannot find the info. Is it possible to have a tourist visa for China issued on the spot at Hong-Kong airport, or at any very convenient place between Hong-Kong airport and the Chinese border ?

Otherwise, this interesting rule about visa exemption for a week stay if you remain in one of the Special Economic Zones, does it really work for a laowai ? Or is it someting only for groups or business men ? Anyone knows ?
Thanks

Erik

read my response on the SZ board. No there is no free ride for a one week exemption. i have never heard of one or do think one exist. there is no free ride. your post does not belong on this thread but either in the travel or china info. read my response and pm me if you want more info.

Moody
12-23-07, 03:42
I am sorry to ask this if it has already been answered here, but I cannot find the info. Is it possible to have a tourist visa for China issued on the spot at Hong-Kong airport, or at any very convenient place between Hong-Kong airport and the Chinese border ?

Otherwise, this interesting rule about visa exemption for a week stay if you remain in one of the Special Economic Zones, does it really work for a laowai ? Or is it someting only for groups or business men ? Anyone knows ?
Thanks

No place at the airport, unless you willing to wait all day and maybe longer, but there is a place on the Luohu border crossing. It used to be that US passports couldn't get a visa there, but that might have changed now. There is NO visa exemption for SEZ. There is visa exemption for passports from certain countries, but I forget which ones they are.

There does exist a special SEZ visa that you could get on the spot in a couple of minutes. It's good for 5 days. Maybe that's what you're thinking of.

Loso69
12-23-07, 04:04
But anyway I think he mentioned that he had 50 previous experiences in CP which were ok?

Yes, I did have plenty of good experiences in CP. Otherwise, I wouldn't be coming back. But CP has changed a lot since last year...

A fellow monger I met along my travels told me: "1 year ago, the CP girls did everything I wanted. 6 months later, they still did everything I wanted, but I had to insist. This time around, I got what I wanted 50% of the time".

Last year, Johnnykon666 told me that the CP girls provided good service because the mamasans instructed them to do so. That's definitely no longer true in the Hui Mei BBS, where scams seem to be the order of the day.

Luckily, many of the Yalan & Night Market girls still provide the good ole service. But I have a feeling it won't last for much longer...

Loso

OldAsiaHand
12-23-07, 04:21
What will the situation be like on Feb 8, a day after Chinese New Year? Is it worth going to Changping then? I hear a lot of girls meeting customers at the hotel. Is it a problem walking with the girl from BBS to the hotel? How friendly is the Miraton? Sorry for what many of you will consider to be stupid questions.

It is probably not a good idea to come to CP on Feb 8. Many of the girls, especially the good ones that can afford to, go home for CNY and will probably not be back in CP yet. Give it another week or so.

There is no problem to walk with a girl anywhere in CP and all the hotels are friendly.

OAH

Old Mean Dog
12-23-07, 04:53
No place at the airport, unless you willing to wait all day and maybe longer, but there is a place on the Luohu border crossing. It used to be that US passports couldn't get a visa there, but that might have changed now. There is NO visa exemption for SEZ. There is visa exemption for passports from certain countries, but I forget which ones they are.

There does exist a special SEZ visa that you could get on the spot in a couple of minutes. It's good for 5 days. Maybe that's what you're thinking of.


I know for certain this SEZ Visa does not apply to US Citizens, not sure if other countries are affected. If you are not certain if you can get one or not, DO NOT come to SZ.

-CPE

OldAsiaHand
12-23-07, 05:03
Loso69:

I have done hundreds of BBS girls in CP over the years and have not had the same experience as you have in your few visits.

I suggest that you ask yourself why you have such bad luck. Could it be your attitude? Sugar vs. Vinegar? IMHO, you are so paranoid about being ripped off, it affects your better judgement. Otherwise, you are just arrogant by nature.

The senior members here are trying to give you good advice, but you are too stubborn to take it.

I never take a girl who is reluctant to do laowai. OK, I have a bit of an advantage because I am a long term, regular customer. Just last week, one mama told me her girls were not afraid of me because my dick is not so big and I did not hurt them. The girls do talk. I remember one BBS in Panyu where none of the girls dared to go with me. Finally, one "more experienced" girl arrived to work and was willing. After that, I did all the girls in that shop.

Yes, I still do get a few complaints about size and pain, but you need to determine whether it is real or just a ploy. I have never had a girl completly refuse to fuck me. A few will refuse doggy style. A couple of times, I could tell the girl was really in pain and accepted a BBBJ or HJ finish after trying a few times to penetrate. Others will ask me to take it slow and easy with penetration. Regardless of the service, I always pay them. The game is hit and miss.

When I walk into a BBS, I scan the girls looking for signals. You can usually tell if a girl does not want to do you by the look in their eyes and their actions. I always pass regardless of how bad I want to do the girl. I know the service will be shitty anyway. On the other hand, the girls that are not afraid will give you a completely different set of signals. The genuinely shy girls are the hardest to read.

I am a big fan of BBBJ so I always ask about this in advance. You can tell from their reaction and choice of words if they will be good at it. Look for the confidence in their response. As Moody suggested to you, if you absolutely must have pictures, you should ask before you pay the mama fee. It may be better if you pull the mama and/or the girl aside rather than ask in an open environment.

Frankly, my biggest concern about your attitude is the perception of laowai that you leave behind. I hope it will not reflect on the rest of us.
I already prefer not to monger with you for fear of association.

Just my POV.

OAH

Old Mean Dog
12-23-07, 05:07
It's also about the principle for them too. BTW, you might think you're being all clever and shit about your retaliating and taking the mommy's shoe, but you should also realize this is China. Life is cheap here. You [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) those people off enough, they'll also retaliate. It doesn't cost them much money to hire a couple guys to "take care" of you. Don't think that kind of thing doesn't happen. A friend of mine got kidnapped recently and it cost him 500K to get out. He's pretty sure it was a girl who set him up.

Exactly, we all know prostitution is illegal here! Most of us understand how the game is played and we know how to complain for poor service to the appropriate people, but to brazenly march around town demanding refunds and stealing peoples shoes, is a sure way to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off the locals and the law.

They allow this shit to a certain degree, but when you start becoming a nuisance, they will either refuse you service, send over a couple of toughs to your room or suddenly you will have the police checking up on you. After all, we are the foriengers here, we are participating in illegal activities and are subject to heavy fines, confinement and deportation should we get caught or you [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) enough people off.

If I get poor service, I treat the mommy with respect, but let her know I am not happy with the girl. I won’t make her lose face nor will I act like a bloody fool demanding my money back.

If the mommy refuses to make me a happy customer, I will chalk it up as a bad experience, refuse to pull from that shop and every time I go back on a tour with the crew, I remind the mommy of the shitty service.

-CPE

Tile Man4
12-23-07, 07:10
Exactly, we all know prostitution is illegal here! Most of us understand how the game is played and we know how to complain for poor service to the appropriate people, but to brazenly march around town demanding refunds and stealing peoples shoes, is a sure way to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off the locals and the law.

They allow this shit to a certain degree, but when you start becoming a nuisance, they will either refuse you service, send over a couple of toughs to your room or suddenly you will have the police checking up on you. After all, we are the foriengers here, we are participating in illegal activities and are subject to heavy fines, confinement and deportation should we get caught or you [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) enough people off.

If I get poor service, I treat the mommy with respect, but let her know I am not happy with the girl. I won’t make her lose face nor will I act like a bloody fool demanding my money back.

If the mommy refuses to make me a happy customer, I will chalk it up as a bad experience, refuse to pull from that shop and every time I go back on a tour with the crew, I remind the mommy of the shitty service.

-CPE

This is so true about face in China. They just don't understand the Western or USA system............. You fuck over me , I fuck over you.

I have several women fuck over me and make a fool of me , but when I decided to give them the same medicine , it was me who was the asshole in their eyes. It was me who made them loose face , not them who made me lose face first. Its a one way street in China. Its best to walk away and don't fight it.

Where there is prostitution , there is curruption and visa versa. You would be very surprised how high the money flows to the top. Your not going to win.

You just can't avoid the curruption factor over there. If they fuck over you too much , then its best to go on to the next one. It really does [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) them off when they loose your business. Thats the best way to get even with them. Take your loses and don't make trouble.

take care and be safe

tile man

Cloud Palms
12-23-07, 07:41
Yes, I did have plenty of good experiences in CP. Otherwise, I wouldn't be coming back. But CP has changed a lot since last year...

A fellow monger I met along my travels told me: "1 year ago, the CP girls did everything I wanted. 6 months later, they still did everything I wanted, but I had to insist. This time around, I got what I wanted 50% of the time".

Last year, Johnnykon666 told me that the CP girls provided good service because the mamasans instructed them to do so. That's definitely no longer true in the Hui Mei BBS, where scams seem to be the order of the day.

Luckily, many of the Yalan & Night Market girls still provide the good ole service. But I have a feeling it won't last for much longer...

LosoLoso,

Again, I sure do enjoy your reports and pics. I've had some bad experiences
as well in CP. The girls would get phone calls from other guys while theyre with me and then want to bolt right away, wasting my time. Or they will bug you for more money while giving you bad service.

While I do agree with the senior members that you should exercise more caution, remember that we're still the customer and theyre the service provider. If you dont get adequate service you should have all the right to complain and demand a refund. If you complain to the mom and tell her that she'll be losing business then she will discipline the girl and other girls will understand when they provide bad service that it will happen to them too.

They shouldnt be pissing off the customer either. Right now its starting to take on a sickening trend like in the west where the women pretty much control everything and use sex as a weapon. We go to China to get away from BS like this. If not for us they would be back to the factories/farms or out on the street. I'm glad you stood your ground those few times and refused to let them dictate whats going on. If you just let them do as they please and also let them steal your money, the rest will do the same to other mongers.

Moody
12-23-07, 10:20
Anyway, guys contacting BBS girls directly & stealing other people’s girls has become a damn nuisance in CP. And it definitely doesn’t help to be a laowai – not exactly the preferred customer!

Loso

Jezus... it's so very easy to prevent this from happening I don't know what else to say except..... just tell the girl to shut her cellphone off.

Tulip777
12-23-07, 10:48
It is probably not a good idea to come to CP on Feb 8. Many of the girls, especially the good ones that can afford to, go home for CNY and will probably not be back in CP yet. Give it another week or so.

There is no problem to walk with a girl anywhere in CP and all the hotels are friendly.

OAH

Thanks OAH. It's the only time I could come. The plan was to take 4 days out of BKK and fly to Shenzhen. Round trip tickets from BKK are dirt cheap. Got my Chinese visa already. I probably should rethink the whole thing. I was looking forward to visiting S. China.

Dodgy Fellow
12-23-07, 15:03
Was in Dongguan on business last Thursday, and was able to wrap things up fairly early. Treated myself with a trip to the Virgin; since my last CP report I was able to find another attendant here who I had better chemistry with than the last dame I had. So I hoped the same girl was available.

When I arrived the attendant said the girl was out buying stuff. Wound up waiting almost a full hour before she came in. For all I knew she had just finished a session with another john, but I didn't care. For the next two hours she was mine.

She was surprised/pleased to see me back, and we went straight into it. I definitely "click" more with this one. Did FS first (no cum), then took a shower to cool down. Back to the bed and we went at it till we came. Tried to go for another round, but the flesh was weak. It was a good way to end the day.

Santa
12-23-07, 15:12
1. Off/close handphone. = Guan shouji.

2. Take pictures ma? = Pai zhaopian ma?

Ok, it's true that we sometimes get bad service. But don't blame the girls, it's not all their fault. Be nice to them and let her tell her friends that the laowai was a nice guy and not too demanding. If you don't know how to negotiate for this or that, don't blame the girl for not cooperating.

Remember, even when the sex is bad, it's still pretty good.

Moody
12-23-07, 17:40
2. Take pictures ma? = Pai zhaopian ma?


I doubt that will be good enough. They'll just assume he wants to take a face shot or something for a souvenir. Taking nude pics is not a common request. Most Asian guys are paranoid about ending up on CCTV let alone get caught with evidence of trysts with a hooker. If he wants to take nude pics, he'll have to be more clear. Something like, "neng bu neng pai huang se zhaopian?"* would probably lead to fewer misunderstandings.

*Can I take yellow pictures?

Loso69
12-23-07, 19:34
FYI, when I posted the story on another board and talked to people in person, everybody said I was too soft! You guys are such bleeding hearts! Anyway, you’ll get a more balanced view of my CP experiences when I post my detailed reports... the good, the bad & the ugly.

In the meantime, I’m way behind with my reporting. Currently writing about my adventures in Buenos Aires... in May.

Loso

Bad Boy Billy
12-23-07, 21:38
Guys I know most of you will be so upset - but Billy will not be able to make CP in January.

Our Chinese manufacturing partners have BROUGHT FORWARD production dates - and I now need to be in Tianjin to inspect product prior to shipping on Jan 3 and 4.

Original date was Jan 16 and 17 - but these earlier dates make it impossible for me to make a CP visit work in terms of securing flights.

Upside is I will get 3 nights in Beijing - look out Mongolian *****s in Maggies.

Here is a couple of samples of Billy's best girls in beijing - sorry no faces - they are both still important members of my 'dial-up-come to my hotel-cheapies'.

You can find another 50 just like these in Maggies on any given night.

Moody
12-24-07, 02:51
FYI, when I posted the story on another board and talked to people in person, everybody said I was too soft! You guys are such bleeding hearts! Anyway, you’ll get a more balanced view of my CP experiences when I post my detailed reports... the good, the bad & the ugly.

In the meantime, I’m way behind with my reporting. Currently writing about my adventures in Buenos Aires... in May.

Loso

You really should read the following very carefully:

http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=685104&postcount=1592

In China, some people are more than willing to seriously hurt you for as little as 130RMB with very little provocation.

As for being bleeding hearts.... do whatever you want, I really couldn't care less. Beat the girls, mark 'em up with cigarette butts, whip their asses with a belt, knock out a few teeth, and do all that without paying them 1 fen. Doing that kind of stuff though has repercussions. That's what the others and I are trying to impress on you. If you're too thick to take friendly advice, then whatever man. Last you'll hear from me about it.

Moody
12-24-07, 03:13
Our Chinese manufacturing partners have BROUGHT FORWARD production dates -

How da fuck did that happen??? That's gotta be an accident. I don't think I've ever heard of a Chinese factory actually having stuff ready EARLY.... :D

OldAsiaHand
12-24-07, 04:03
Dodgy Fellow:

Your intuition was bang on. This is the nice way of telling you she is occupied with another customer. No punter wants to hear the truth. It is an industry standard comment, at least in South China.

OAH


Was in Dongguan on business last Thursday, and was able to wrap things up fairly early. Treated myself with a trip to the Virgin; since my last CP report I was able to find another attendant here who I had better chemistry with than the last dame I had. So I hoped the same girl was available.

When I arrived the attendant said the girl was out buying stuff. Wound up waiting almost a full hour before she came in. For all I knew she had just finished a session with another john, but I didn't care. For the next two hours she was mine.

She was surprised/pleased to see me back, and we went straight into it. I definitely "click" more with this one. Did FS first (no cum), then took a shower to cool down. Back to the bed and we went at it till we came. Tried to go for another round, but the flesh was weak. It was a good way to end the day.

SE Asia Joe
12-24-07, 05:56
FYI, when I posted the story on another board and talked to people in person, everybody said I was too soft! You guys are such bleeding hearts!
Loso
May I take a guess as to which other board? That Singapore one? And if so, I would say..... of course... Singapore!

First, I have met and know Loso69, this is a mongers debate, not a flame war. Though I do not agree with some of his tactics, he is a true monger and a nice guy with his fellow mongers.
That being said:
Actually, your a bit off.
Knowing CPE - I respect his judgment. Why don't you also give what he has been saying to you its proper consideration? I really feel that your actions – and by probably encouraging others to emulate your actions - is definitely going to make it harder for us Foreign mongers in CP. AND Perhaps even making it more dangerous for us too.

BTW, she did want the pictures. She knew it was gonna take an hour before the CD was ready. She was happy to wait.
Of course she wanted the pictures. All these girls wants to have a portfolio of themselves to either use as advertisements of their wares (like on the 141 sites in HKG), as a keep-sake for when they were young and beautiful, load it up as wall paper on their phones etc etc - and routinely pay hundreds or more to go to professional photographers. You carry professional equipment and show them your work - of course they want your CD of them. In this, you are being kind hearted - but then you turn around and use this as a weapon against them. The same way that you use your measly RMB 100 or 50.

It’s possible that the other guy was a generous tipper. But it’s more likely she’d rather fuck a Chinese guy than a “big dick” laowai. Laowais are 2nd rate customers in CP. We always will be..
And please remember this. On top of that, please remember that we ARE visitors to THEIR country and you are acting like a BSD - but only throwing around 100's or 50's. Life's very cheap in China - yours and mine included - so please act accordingly. The whole mongering situation in China is very much geared for and catered to those who follow the generally accepted rules of conduct. Any deviation is easily and justifiably squashed by the Black (Thugs/Triads) Yellow (government) and White (general populace) factions. And IMHO, squashing your actions would be VERY justifiable for them as you not only cause disruptions to their normal flow of business, but you also cause them to lose face. Heck - even you taking away the Mommie's goods, and wasting their "production unit's" time by taking pictures is probably already an irritant to them.

I’d rather get a bad reputation than be known as a pushover.
It’s not about the money. It’s about the principle. Any girl or mommie who thinks she can walk all over me and get away with it, can bloody well forget about it! You give me a hard time. I retaliate! Always! Everywhere!
No – not a bad reputation or a pushover – like I said previously, if you acted this way in other mongering destinations you’d already end up in a body bag. Curious – I hardly see you reporting outrageous behavior in your posts for South America – why’s that? Principle – how about THEIR principle? And definitely their money as like I said, you’ve wasted their time=money. Walking all over you??! I hardly think that what the Girl/mommie did could be equated to walking all over you. Rather, I would suggest that it is YOU who is walking all over them – whilst also giving us foreign mongers a bad name. And you retaliate – yes – you’ve retaliated – but I would hate to see what happens when THEY retaliate. The smiling faces, the pleading to take their girl, showing their “ Pink Color”, stroking your ego – and member – ALL that can and should have turned ugly and I can only say that you were lucky NOT to have already gotten in trouble. And Oyoy ain’t gonna be there all the time to pull you out – and I would think most others here would also NOT get involved. Not when we know how you’ve been acting.

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Oyoy had the mamasan call her over, but she seemed reluctant to fuck a laowai and hurried back to her seat. Once the mamasan realized that Wei Ting was the only girl I wanted, she had her sitting on my lap...
When I agreed to take Wei Ting, the mamasan was urging me to get a 2nd girl. As I spotted Juen Juen walking in, I was in love. ..
When I tried to head South, I was trespassing on forbidden territory. Neither girl would allow me to eat her pussy....
Even though I’d just showered, Wei Ting wasted half a box of tissues making sure my dick was perfectly clean. After sucking my dick for about 10 seconds, she started gagging and reached for the box of tissues. Enough of that...
BTW, while one girl had my dick in her mouth, I wanted the other girl to kiss me. Neither of them would. They’d only suck on my nipples.
I wanted to fuck Wei Ting first, as I figured she was the most likely to complain. …she was as dry as a nun’s gusset. …, I sat up, took aim and directed my stalagmite inside her grotto. Just the head of my dick entering her was enough to make her jump.
When I wanted to move on to Juen Juen, I was greeted with a cold “No”. She wouldn’t let me get near her. WTF? I have 2 girls and I can’t fuck either of them.
OK think about it – these gals were already reluctant to go with you but you forced the issue. You wanted to DATY but from what I know, a lot of Chinese girls will not allow this (I speculate because they have never known the true joy of DATY and just think its dirty). Then you rammed the still dry Wei Ting and EXPECT Juen Juen to then also submit to your roughness? WTF – what do you think RMB 100-200 should buy you? Anything and everything? Come on – get real!
Look-it – these girls’ and their mommies’ MOST precious asset is a serviceable pussy. If the dick is too large, or the pussy is too dry or worse – if it’s a big dick ramming a dry pussy – these assets becomes useless at least for the few days needed to heal.


I called Oyoy, who could communicate with the girls. Even though I didn’t fuck either of them, they still expected to get paid. No way! Either I paid them in full or they’d have me beaten up! WTF? I grabbed both girls and threw them out…
A little later, the mamasan came knocking on my door. I let her in. The 2 girls joined her soon after. Of course, I couldn’t communicate with the mamasan. I tried to call Oyoy, but he wasn’t answering his phone. When Oyoy called me back, he suggested he come to my room. When he showed up, he was accompanied by his LT girl from the same BBS & Papadoc. He tried to reason with the mamasan and the girls, but to no avail.
Since I hadn’t fucked either girl, there was no way I was going to pay them in full. The girls kept saying that my dick was too big.
I would suggest that they refused to fuck you NOT because of the size of your dick (after all – like you said, you’d already fucked 50 others in CP) but because of your attitude and rough actions.

. Juen Juen was on the phone, calling for reinforcements. Oyoy pointed out that I wouldn’t be able to kick the girls out if goons were waiting outside my room. He tried to get hotel security to come to my room and escort the girls out, but was unable to get his point across The assistant manager of the hotel called me and requested I change rooms, for safety reasons. Oyoy called me back. He said that he saved my bacon by paying the girls off. His reasons weren’t entirely unselfish, though. He has the hots for Juen Juen!
Jeez – you really haven’t got a clue as to how lucky you were do you? And Oyoy – if you’re reading this – ARE YOU CRAZY? Why would you want to even associate with Loso when he’s being such an asshole? The security guys and the Assistant Manager KNOW what these guys and girls can AND will do – and they’re smart enough to NOT even go up when requested and only CALLED Loso to change rooms. And Oyoy – I’d get a hold of Loso and demand that he pay you back whatever it is you paid – for I’m 99% sure that you did so NOT because you had the hots for Juen Juen (Hell, she’d come with whoever promises to pay and act decently – plus there are tons of other gals in CP who you can choose from), but because you were just trying to give face to Loso. I say why the hell would you want to do that?!


Going with a laowai, refusing to fuck him because his dick is allegedly too big and still getting paid is entirely too easy. The 200 RMB means very little to me, but I wouldn’t pay them out of principle. Now that the girls know that they can get away with it, they’ll do it again tomorrow. And they’ll tell their friends…
Loso
NO – what these girls and their mommies will remember is that these Laowais are not worth the trouble – may as well stick to the Hong Kong-ers, Japanese and Taiwanese AND LOCALS who will NOT cause any problems, give bigger tips and do not haggle too much. Plus of course these guys are easier to please – Fuck the Laowais! Cheap bastards acting like BSD – but paying minimum and causing all sorts of problems, injuries and wasting our time.

You did great Loso69!
I wish guys in Beijing would have balls like yours, but they prefer to showoff their manlyhood by paying exorbitant sums and then brag about it on this forum.
And you Infomatic – are just the kind of guy who will spoil it all for us in CP. Guys in Beijing knows that when in China, you play by the China rules – or else get your ass kicked or in jail. And you are just the type of person that I wish Loso would stop appealing to – Oh OK – (O)ne (W)ill be a (L)emming and throw Kungfu kicks and beat these mommies and their thugs with a lead pipe. YEAH! Hmmmmm….. how come he hasn’t come out of the woodwork to endorse and praise Loso?

Yes, I did have plenty of good experiences in CP. Otherwise, I wouldn't be coming back. But CP has changed a lot since last year...
Luckily, many of the Yalan & Night Market girls still provide the good ole service. But I have a feeling it won't last for much longer...
Loso
NOT if Yobs like you keep on coming back and insisting on HIS principles and giving all of us a bad reputation. Like I said, the majority of mongers at CP are the locals, Hong Kongers, Taiwanese etc – and us Foreign mongers are a definite very small minority. And pretty soon we’re NOT going to be welcome – not when some amongst us insists on acting like such ……s.
LOSO – do us all a favor and stay away from CP and GZ. Why don’t you try your antics in Beijing or Shanghai… and report back to us?!
SE Asia Joe

Hainanien
12-24-07, 06:02
First, I notice folks talking about internet connections, wireless signals in hotels and the sort. About the past 6 months I’ve been using a internet device I got from China Unicom, plugs in by USB & gets me online Anywhere I can make a phone call at 1 RMB per hour, any province. Often it’s quicker than the hotel hard lines or wireless with less banned sites.

"The best 1600 RMB I’ve spent all year!

I wrote this a month back;

http://www.internationalsexguide. Info/forum/showpost.php? P=652473&postcount=987

Now for the serious questions,

I’ll be in Dongguan proper this coming week, a couple net girlies I’ve been workin there has come to time, one will be just a lunch date to let her know me as a real person, she says near the train station in Dongguan.

The other is in Chang An, she sounds like she’ll be joining me in my hotel at least one night.

I’m still not sure my route, I’ll prolly bus from Shekou to Chang An in the afternoon so I can be checked in to a hotel when she gets off work at 6pm. She said the Chang An hotel is nearby.

I’m also thinking I should finally get meself to CP for a couple nights this trip, sounds like a good local crew there & I’d be happy to join any fun & games that may be going on.

So, let me ask a couple questions of you fine gentlemen.

I prefer to keep hotels under 300 a night as I’m in them 20 nights a month & me pocket does have a bottom.

Anyone know the rates at Chang An hotel? Or any other hotels nearby that may be better value?

How about a decent hotel near the train station in Dongguan in case I need one?

Then. Looks like the 1st of the year I’ll be towards CP.

I have one net friend there that may or may not occupy some of my time but surely I’ll have to make time to see the local sights.

I’ll be happy to get a PM from anyone there that would like to show me around & meet the guys.

Wadman
12-24-07, 08:56
Loso,

The price for the BBS girls in the backalleys behind the HuiMei hotel is only 150 rmb for ST. NOT 200 rmb. Mommies will always ask for more of course. It's 200 rmb for the Yalan BBS girls. If you don't believe me, the other senior members who frequent CP will tell you the same thing.

Stand up for your principles, man. Demand 150 rmb for ST, same as Asian punters and even laowais. Please report back, and let us how things worked out.



FYI, when I posted the story on another board and talked to people in person, everybody said I was too soft! You guys are such bleeding hearts! Anyway, you’ll get a more balanced view of my CP experiences when I post my detailed reports... the good, the bad & the ugly.

In the meantime, I’m way behind with my reporting. Currently writing about my adventures in Buenos Aires... in May.

Loso

Superforce99
12-24-07, 09:18
Had another great time in CP, nothing really new to report, but Sundays in CP are not much worse in terms of quantity/quality of BBS girls compared to the Friday/Saturday surges. I've never had a problem finding more than a handful of gals I'd do.

A couple of things, then:

-had a buddy who started on a girl and after 1-2 strokes, she started her period. She stopped and wanted to go home. I chatted with the mamasan and suggested she send over a replacement girl free of charge, but ofcourse she refused. She said it was bad luck, which it was, but I insisted in the spirit of good business she do it, but no. I ended up telling my buddy to give the gal her 100 since it really was bad luck, the mamasan wasn't going to smooth things over in anyway whatsoever, and the 100 RMB means more to the girl than my buddy so why start a fuss over something relatively benign.

Fom the perspective of face issues (why treat a non-Chinese speaking white foreigner who is a newbie so well?!?) I understand her refusal, but it's still bad business practice for future repeat business. I told her I'd let other foreigners know about her and her policy and she dismissed it, so here is her info and you do what you will with it: she's the mamasan with the girls closest to the door at C2 (California Red) where all the Swan Lake girls move to. She has a thinner, plainer face than the other mamasans and doesn't speak much Cantonese, her mobile number begins with 135-


-anyone who wants a clean, comfortable car ride from CP to Zhuhai for 350 RMB can contact me. I'll give you the contact info for a regular driver I now use who is really cool. A big 6-seat mini-van would run about 500 from CP to Zhuhai.


J

Old Mean Dog
12-24-07, 10:23
I wanted to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and hope Santa brings you all the things you wished for!

As for Santa, we all know what he's doing in CP besides banging girls!!

-CPE

Bill Lee
12-24-07, 15:48
Interestingly, my 8 boxes of Okamoto condoms passed through Customs' x-ray without being questioned. But they questioned the magazine and newspaper I had in my backpack.

This occurred on the China Customs entry side of CP.

Bill

Loso69
12-24-07, 19:01
Loso,

The price for the BBS girls in the backalleys behind the HuiMei hotel is only 150 rmb for ST. NOT 200 rmb. Mommies will always ask for more of course. It's 200 rmb for the Yalan BBS girls. If you don't believe me, the other senior members who frequent CP will tell you the same thing.

Stand up for your principles, man. Demand 150 rmb for ST, same as Asian punters and even laowais. Please report back, and let us how things worked out.

I already paid the mamasan 100 RMB (2 * 50). I owed the girls 200 RMB (2 * 100). That's 150 RMB each!

Loso

TonyBuzz
12-25-07, 07:50
Interestingly, my 8 boxes of Okamoto condoms passed through Customs' x-ray without being questioned. But they questioned the magazine and newspaper I had in my backpack.

This occurred on the China Customs entry side of CP.

BillWas i just lucky? Came by fast train from HK to CP last Saturday. From the moment i left the train it took me no more than 7 seven minutes to pass customs and sit in a taxi to my hotel in CP. At customs they just checked my passport and visa but no x-rays for my luggage or any sort of checks for my handbags.

BTW, anyone arriving to CP trainstation, there are tons of unofficial taxidrivers that want your business even trying to get the luggage from you so that you have to follow them to their car. Don't let them! Once you are in front of the main entrance standing with your back to the train station just look out for any official taxis, you will see them to your right about 200-300 meters away. They come in light blue or green colours, use one of them, i had no problems. If you dont see them immediately just walk straight ahead towards the main street and look to your righthand side, you will notice them.

I paid 15rmb's for the trip to the Lucky Hotel, although initially he wanted 20rmb's. Don't know if i overpaid but it seemed a fair price to me.

Bill Lee
12-25-07, 09:00
as of today, at 3:00 p.m., the hui hua's unsecured wifi signal is still strong. the windows' wireless connection menu gave me three bars out of five. the signal contained the hotel's name. there was also two unsecure connections, one with one bar and the other, no bar.

a internet connection test to the east coast us gave me 66kbps/dl and 47kbps/up.

but at a global connection test site, speednet.net, the connection speed to shenzhen was 9.2 meg/dl and 6.2 meg/ul. surprising high for upload.

most important, i was able to log onto isg without any delay.

check the mitos once again and this time the connection to isg was very fast. their connection speed was 3.6 meg and 426 kbps.

miraton still has no wifi signal in lobby.

bill





as far as i know, the last time i was there, the wifi signal in the hui hua lobby is good (unsecured) but, it could have changed. never know. there was no wifi signal that i detected in the miraton lobby.

Bill Lee
12-25-07, 19:30
After a great BJCIM session (with AR), caught this chubby little thing going through my pant's pockets on the floor, at the end of my bed.

Threw her out - too bad, would have had her BJ me again and again.

She came from the fifth floor shop, sits on the left bench about the fifth girl from the left at the time of the line-up. Her mommies/assistant mommies include little Ming Ming and this much older dark complexion woman in her 50s. I immediately call Ming Ming and told her what happened. Let's see if they will get rid of her. All mommies know that this kind of girl is bad for business.

She told me she worked as a DJ at the Yue Hua Hotel KTV (across from Jojo's shop), earning 100rmb a night. She was new on the fifth floor shop. Appeared to have more sauna experiences than DJing. Been in CP for four months.

Too bad.

Bill

Chang Ping
12-25-07, 19:54
After a great BJCIM session (with AR), caught this chubby little thing going through my pant's pockets at the end of my bed.

Threw her out - too bad, would have had her BJ me again and again.

She came from the fifth floor shop, told me she worked as a DJ at the Yue Hua Hotel KTV (across from Jojo's shop), earning 100rmb a night. She was new on the fifth floor shop. Appeared to have more sauna experiences than DJing. Been in CP for four months.

Too bad.

BillTks Bill for this

Btw not sure if this should be generalized but the gal who had a really bad attitude and kicked up a fuss about being offered 50 rmb for the ten minutes she spent fully clothed in my room without so much as me touching her I might add; came from the 5th flr shop as well. I had to give her the full 100 rmb to get her to leave.

The mummy knows me but that didn't seem to help inspite of the call to her to sort things out. Bad biz decision. I am boycotting her shop.

Bill Lee
12-26-07, 01:27
After checking your passport and visa (immigrations), you were supposed to put your luggage into the x-ray conveyor machine (customs), located about 10 feet after immigrations. You may have overlooked it or they overlooked you.

The light blue or green/yellow taxi are metered and starts at about 7rmb and 6rmb, respectively. But some of the taxis will still try to rip you off, especially those near the "bread" van by quoting you a one time price or take you only to far away places. A typical taxi ride to the Miraton from the station cost about 7rmb with the yellow taxi.

I tend to look for the metered taxis on the main road. Prefer one that just dropped off a passenger and looking for return fare than one sitting around with the bread van for a long time and waiting for newbie arrival to target.

With the influx of metered taxis, the "bread" van you took can now be bargained down to 10rmb.

And yes, what's 7rmb more to a foreigner? About 1 dollar U.S. But being a labeled a sucker as soon as you arrived in CP: Priceless

Not meant as an insult to you TonyBuzz. Just an overall comment to newbies in town.

Bill


Was i just lucky? Came by fast train from HK to CP last Saturday. From the moment i left the train it took me no more than 7 seven minutes to pass customs and sit in a taxi to my hotel in CP. At customs they just checked my passport and visa but no x-rays for my luggage or any sort of checks for my handbags.

BTW, anyone arriving to CP trainstation, there are tons of unofficial taxidrivers that want your business even trying to get the luggage from you so that you have to follow them to their car. Don't let them! Once you are in front of the main entrance standing with your back to the train station just look out for any official taxis, you will see them to your right about 200-300 meters away. They come in light blue or green colours, use one of them, i had no problems. If you dont see them immediately just walk straight ahead towards the main street and look to your righthand side, you will notice them.

I paid 15rmb's for the trip to the Lucky Hotel, although initially he wanted 20rmb's. Don't know if i overpaid but it seemed a fair price to me.

Loso69
12-26-07, 01:59
After a great BJCIM session (with AR), caught this chubby little thing going through my pant's pockets on the floor, at the end of my bed.

Threw her out - too bad, would have had her BJ me again and again.

She came from the fifth floor shop, sits on the left bench about the fifth girl from the left at the time of the line-up. Her mommies/assistant mommies include little Ming Ming and this much older dark complexion woman in her 50s. I immediately call Ming Ming and told her what happened. Let's see if they will get rid of her. All mommies know that this kind of girl is bad for business.

She told me she worked as a DJ at the Yue Hua Hotel KTV (across from Jojo's shop), earning 100rmb a night. She was new on the fifth floor shop. Appeared to have more sauna experiences than DJing. Been in CP for four months.

Too bad.

Bill

Was her name Xiao Nong? She was the girl I referred to as having "the suction power of an industrial strength vacuum cleaner". She spent the night with me in October and was absolutely wonderful. Pity she turns out to be a thief.

BTW, I keep my money in my wallet and my wallet disappears into the safe almost as soon as I enter my room.

Loso

Old Mean Dog
12-26-07, 02:45
Was her name Xiao Nong? She was the girl I referred to as having "the suction power of an industrial strength vacuum cleaner". She spent the night with me in October and was absolutely wonderful. Pity she turns out to be a thief.

BTW, I keep my money in my wallet and my wallet disappears into the safe almost as soon as I enter my room.

Loso

Looks like we got an identical match here folks. Anyone doing a tour that stops by the Silver Star KTV (behind the Yalan Restaurant) should mention to the mommy this girl is a thief, each and every time. Once the girl starts getting a bad rap, she will be squeezed out or will move on her own accord.

-CPE

Bill Lee
12-26-07, 02:47
She wore a little too much makeup. Her BJ skill was impeccable. Deep throat for little Bill. Her teeth never hit little Bill's head. Her mouth never left little Bill for more than 5 sec. to spit and kept on top of little Bill for more than 5 minutes each time. Her suction power? How shall I explain it? It was not painfully powerful.

What shop you get her? I'll check with the name later with the mommy. But their name changes more often than their underwear if they jump from shop to shop.

Bill
Some more pics of the thief.


Was her name Xiao Nong? She was the girl I referred to as having "the suction power of an industrial strength vacuum cleaner". She spent the night with me in October and was absolutely wonderful. Pity she turns out to be a thief.

BTW, I keep my money in my wallet and my wallet disappears into the safe almost as soon as I enter my room.

Loso

Bill Lee
12-26-07, 06:38
Bill's favorite word.

Regards to the thief, if I see her there today, I will point her out to her mommy and ask why she's not "fired." And I certainly won't pick from that group again and may walk out completely of the 5th floor shop.

Regarding your situation, give us some more detail and let's us complain to the same mommy. The name of the girl, where she sat, the name of the mommy, etc. Let them know that word does get around with bad services too.

Regarding your 100rmb payment, sometimes you just have to make the payoff just to avoid any flare-up and spotlight on yourself. We have all done it.

Bill


Tks Bill for this

Btw not sure if this should be generalized but the gal who had a really bad attitude and kicked up a fuss about being offered 50 rmb for the ten minutes she spent fully clothed in my room without so much as me touching her I might add; came from the 5th flr shop as well. I had to give her the full 100 rmb to get her to leave.

The mummy knows me but that didn't seem to help inspite of the call to her to sort things out. Bad biz decision. I am boycotting her shop.

Wadman
12-26-07, 09:07
This girl used to work in Baby's shop, that's where I took her from a few weeks ago. After that, she worked in Sandy's shop (on the second floor). Yes, all the mommies said she used to work in a sauna. And yes, her BJ is better than average. But she has bounced around quite bit in a few weeks.

Not sure boycotting an entire shop because mommy will not fire the one thieving girl is a practical strategy. Let's face it, a lot of these girls (especially BBS) will steal from you if given the chance. So don't give them that chance.



After a great BJCIM session (with AR), caught this hubby little thing going through my pant's pockets on the floor, at the end of my bed.

Threw her out - too bad, would have had her BJ me again and again.

She came from the fifth floor shop, sits on the left bench about the fifth girl from the left at the time of the line-up. Her mommies/assistant mommies include little Ming Ming and this much older dark complexion woman in her 50s. I immediately call Ming Ming and told her what happened. Let's see if they will get rid of her. All mommies know that this kind of girl is bad for business.

She told me she worked as a DJ at the Yue Hua Hotel KTV (across from Jojo's shop), earning 100rmb a night. She was new on the fifth floor shop. Appeared to have more sauna experiences than DJing. Been in CP for four months.

Too bad.

Bill

Bill Lee
12-26-07, 13:28
It won't hurt the pockets of that shop by me not going there. But certainly, any one would lose respect and face by continuing patronizing a shop with a girl known to have ripped you off. Also, I just feel better not giving my money to that shop when there are other shops around.

POV. You guys sometimes don't get the idea of respect.

We all give chances for the girls to rip us off. Sometimes when they're good, we just don't know it. Very impractical for me to put my pants into the hotel safe. She was caught going through my pants.

Bill

Old Mean Dog
12-26-07, 16:52
It won't hurt the pockets of that shop by me not going there. But certainly, any one would lose respect and face by continuing patronizing a shop with a girl known to have ripped you off. Also, I just feel better not giving my money to that shop when there are other shops around.

POV. You guys sometimes don't get the idea of respect.

We all give chances for the girls to rip us off. Sometimes when they're good, we just don't know it. Very impractical for me to put my pants into the hotel safe. She was caught going through my pants.

Bill

I think there is enough of us from ISG, that if we all said something to the mommy each time we went into the shop, she would learn real fast. The BBS's in CP are not like the ones in SZ, less shops and we have much more rapport with the mommys here. So yeah, not saying boycott, but certainly putting a bug in the mom's ear every time will work just as good.

-CPE

Manfest
12-26-07, 17:52
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The light blue or green/yellow taxi are metered and starts at about 7rmb and 6rmb, respectively. But some of the taxis will still try to rip you off, especially those near the "bread" van by quoting you a one time price or take you only to far away places. A typical taxi ride to the Miraton from the station cost about 7rmb with the yellow taxi.

I tend to look for the metered taxis on the main road. Prefer one that just dropped off a passenger and looking for return fare than one sitting around with the bread van for a long time and waiting for newbie arrival to target.

With the influx of metered taxis, the "bread" van you took can now be bargained down to 10rmb.
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Bill

Hey Bill,

Previous posts mention fixed 20 RMB from the waiting taxis and vans. Motorcycles are now banned. I can confirm the last visit that I went up and down that line and could not budge any of them down from 20! I guess next time I just have to walk over to the other side and wait for a drop-off or bargain harder. Thanks for the updated info.

-M

Calvin Hobbs
12-26-07, 19:17
Does anyone have any information regarding mongerning opportunities around or in the Parkview Hotel at Changan Town, Dongguan? My company is putting me up there in Jan. I've never been there.

Thanks

Santa
12-26-07, 20:45
Ok, so we complain to the mommy and she confronts the girl. The girl says "I wasn't going through his pants, he made a mistake, I was only looking for my knickers". The mommies frequently receive complaints about their girls, the girl denies it happens and gives a different explanation of events. What can the mommy do? Fire them? Then they lose a valuable asset, an attractive girl that brings in money.

Most of these girls will steal from us and cheat us if they have a chance. Of course they will, because they are only interested in the money. They suck ugly guys cocks and even lick their arseholes for money.

Also, the mommies are only interested in the money, not teaching the girls to be good and honest citizens.

Dar425
12-27-07, 00:39
Ok, so we complain to the mommy and she confronts the girl. The girl says "I wasn't going through his pants, he made a mistake, I was only looking for my knickers". The mommies frequently receive complaints about their girls, the girl denies it happens and gives a different explanation of events. What can the mommy do? Fire them? Then they lose a valuable asset, an attractive girl that brings in money.

Most of these girls will steal from us and cheat us if they have a chance. Of course they will, because they are only interested in the money. They suck ugly guys cocks and even lick their arseholes for money.

Also, the mommies are only interested in the money, not teaching the girls to be good and honest citizens.

I wonder if enough of us see that girl in the shop and point her out in front of all the all the other girls and say she's a thief and not to be trusted -- you know asian people have that "must keep a good 'face' issue" -- if it would bring the mommy around to do something about her (transfer her to another city, or send her back home or whatever).

Then again, a knowing customer could intentionally choose her, have a good time with her, then give her the 'gift' of a sparkly new t-shirt that says I'M A RIP OFF B*TCH printed on the front. She might wear it for a while if it looks cute enough!


Dar

Old Mean Dog
12-27-07, 03:02
Ok, so we complain to the mommy and she confronts the girl. The girl says "I wasn't going through his pants, he made a mistake, I was only looking for my knickers". The mommies frequently receive complaints about their girls, the girl denies it happens and gives a different explanation of events. What can the mommy do? Fire them? Then they lose a valuable asset, an attractive girl that brings in money.

Most of these girls will steal from us and cheat us if they have a chance. Of course they will, because they are only interested in the money. They suck ugly guys cocks and even lick their arseholes for money.

Also, the mommies are only interested in the money, not teaching the girls to be good and honest citizens.

You are right, if it was an isolated incident and just one guy complained about it, but there are enough guys that go into these shops that the mommys know us very well. Hell, you and that ugly guy have gone on a tour every day you have been here now for almost 2 months! People like OAH, Wadman, Fast Eddie and others are here so much they know us by face.

If we casually tell the mom we would never take that girl because she is known to steal from customers, it won't take the mom long to know she is bad for business and as Wadman has already said; she is known to bounce between shops. She holds no loyalty and as we all know, the moms like the consist, loyal moneymaker not some ping-pong bouncing ***** who steals from clients as that is real bad for face.

-CPE

Old Mean Dog
12-27-07, 03:08
Hey Bill,

Previous posts mention fixed 20 RMB from the waiting taxis and vans. Motorcycles are now banned. I can confirm the last visit that I went up and down that line and could not budge any of them down from 20! I guess next time I just have to walk over to the other side and wait for a drop-off or bargain harder. Thanks for the updated info.

-M

I always get 15 rmb from the train station to town. Best bet is to not talk to the pirates that wait right outside the exit area, best to go towards the front of the train station over by the 7-11 or main plaza, as these guys are more willing to accept 15 rmb.

Those jack-offs outside the exit area have formed some kind of loose knit taxi pirate union and one will normally not accept 15 rmb in fear of being labeled a scab.

-CPE

OldAsiaHand
12-27-07, 03:51
I agree with Santa. The girl will deny it and the mommy will do nothing. Having lost face, the girl may quit on her own and just go to another shop again. She may have been caught before, thus the bouncing around. The mommy will apologize profusely to Bill since he is a regular customer of hers. That will be the end of it.

On the other hand, I think a boycott works to a certain extent. The mamas in the "big tree" shop don't ask us for 250 anymore. They only ask for extra taxi fare. It does not hurt to make a point.

I caught a mainland SW in Hong Kong with a few thousand HK$ of mine in her hand. I went out to the ATM and met her on the way back to the hotel. She went through my pockets when I was doing her doggy. The chair I hung my pants on was in reach of the bed. Damn small rooms in Wanchai hotels!

Theft is one of the reasons I almost never keep a girl LT. You can't lock everything you travel with in the hotel safe. When I monger in CP, I only put 200+ RMB in my pocket. This way the girl could not get me for much even if she did go through my pockets. And, I try to never let the girl out of my sight in the room, except for the bathroom.

OAH



You are right, if it was an isolated incident and just one guy complained about it, but there are enough guys that go into these shops that the mommys know us very well. Hell, you and that ugly guy have gone on a tour every day you have been here now for almost 2 months! People like OAH, Wadman, Fast Eddie and others are here so much they know us by face.

If we casually tell the mom we would never take that girl because she is known to steal from customers, it won't take the mom long to know she is bad for business and as Wadman has already said; she is known to bounce between shops. She holds no loyalty and as we all know, the moms like the consist, loyal moneymaker not some ping-pong bouncing ***** who steals from clients as that is real bad for face.

-CPE

Rising Son
12-27-07, 04:51
Last March I took a girl out of one of the shops behind the Hui Mei, and when I went into the bathroom I heard the locks on my luggage being unsnapped. I came out and caught her, rifling through the stuff (there was actually nothing worth stealing). I kicked her out immediately with no money at all and then walked behind her to her shop, where I told her mama-san, mostly through mime, that she'd tried to steal from me.

The mama hauled off and slapped her open-handed, so hard her head whipped around. She immediately burst into tears.

I have to admit that I had conflicting feelings about it. I wanted the mama to know, but I didn't particularly want the girl slapped around.

Not sure I'd do it the same way again.

RS

Santa
12-27-07, 06:44
We shouldn't be surprised if a girl searchs the room and pockets when we are not looking or sleeping, we should only be surprised if she doesn't.

Lock it or lose it!

Hey Bill, Homer Simpson (expat) called you ugly! :D Ho,ho,ho! Lol

Bob Builder
12-27-07, 13:04
By the sounds of it, you guys are going to run out of BBS shops to go to by the new year if you start boycotting every single one where one of the gals or the mommies pisses you off for some reason or other.

As for the Marcel Marceau impersonators, I think if you don't speak the language you are going to put up with whatever shit you are going to get.

One easy way of getting someone out of your room and not have people gang up on you, grab her fecking phone before she calls anyone and throw it down the corridor of the hotel. What's the point of letting her call someone whose going to side with the gal and see how much money they can extract from you once there in your room.

Bill Lee
12-27-07, 14:11
Last year, I boycotted the Sandy shop that shared the same space as Jojo. I basically boycotted Jojo's shop too. Sandy's shop was boycotted by me because she jumped on my chest and sat on me for over 15 minutes, telling me to pick a girl or she wouldn't let me go.

This time, I'm back going to Jojo's shop and ignoring Sandy's shop. I'm not getting the monkey shit from Sandy anymore. I'm also not telling my buddies not to pick from Sandy's shop. It's their own decision now. Boycott do work, especially when you let them know why.

Regarding the shop with the thief, the mommy Ming Ming, after I told her about the attempted stealing, told me that she had not called the girl back to work the next day. I have not seen the thief two days in a row now. Yes, I will make a stink with the mommy when I see the thief there.

Mommy will always side with money but when a girl is stealing from a customer, mommy will tend to get rid of the girl. If you don't complain to the mommy, they will never know. Also it helps to have rapport with some of these mommies, which in this case I do.

I have an experience with one girl with bad service and the mommy apologized many times and offered me credit for the next girl. I went to her shop 3 times before selecting another girl and she reminded me each time about the credit. Since then, she has been truthful about the skills of her girls to me.

Regarding coming to a shop or a shop's employee which has disrespected you, you just don't let people walk over you in life and not do something about it.

Throwing someone's phone down the hallway is going to incite a riot from the girl. Bad call. Really bad call. Some of their phones are not the cheapy types.

What would you do if a girl smashed your phone by tossing out the door?

Bill


By the sounds of it, you guys are going to run out of BBS shops to go to by the new year if you start boycotting every single one where one of the gals or the mommies pisses you off for some reason or other.


One easy way of getting someone out of your room and not have people gang up on you, grab her fecking phone before she calls anyone and throw it down the corridor of the hotel. What's the point of letting her call someone whose going to side with the gal and see how much money they can extract from you once there in your room.

Mike666
12-27-07, 16:27
Hi,

I have never been to DG/ CP but will shortly have a chance. Really appreciate all your reports and info. I read from another forum the police in Dongguan and CP is closing down BBS and SN left and right. Could anyone confirm that?

Thank you

Santa
12-27-07, 16:53
Damn, my eyes are bad and can't find my friggin glasses. Did Bill say last year he boycocked Sandy? And now he's not getting monkey shit? Yikes!

Old Mean Dog
12-27-07, 17:34
By the sounds of it, you guys are going to run out of BBS shops to go to by the new year if you start boycotting every single one where one of the gals or the mommies pisses you off for some reason or other.

As for the Marcel Marceau impersonators, I think if you don't speak the language you are going to put up with whatever shit you are going to get.

One easy way of getting someone out of your room and not have people gang up on you, grab her fecking phone before she calls anyone and throw it down the corridor of the hotel. What's the point of letting her call someone whose going to side with the gal and see how much money they can extract from you once there in your room.

Naw, it's called "Cycling". There is enough shops and girls here to rotate pulling from different shops that it won't damage your play. Shit, all the shops are pretty much the same anyway and the service is not based on the shop, but rather the girl you choose.

Think about this; Bill Lee catches a thief, he reports it on ISG and to the mommy, all read it, and take heed. OAH goes to this shop and tell the mommy the girl is bad, then Santa goes and say the same thing, then CPExpat, Wadman, Fast Eddie, SE Asia Joe, Sukimvetter and numerous other mongers who read ISG and come to CP. The mom is like "how the feck do all these guys know this shit?" and realize it maybe bad mojo to keep her around, since so many guys seem to know about this incident. Ahh yes, the power of ISG!

I also agree with others, I am not going to damage their belongings, just tell the girl to turn the damn phone off!

Why some guys go to a country , purely for mongering, and don't even learn the basics of communication and simple cultural things (or even take a fecking phrase book with them) is beyond me.

-CPE

BTW: Bill, is Monkey Shit worse than Bullshit?

Bob Builder
12-28-07, 02:08
Well, that's about 7 or 8 of you and what about the 100s - 1000s of other that don't log onto ISG, speak the language and have more mongering smarts that the average ISGer? So they lose their Lao Wei business, we have gone on numerous times about what proportion of business this amounts to. Do you really think they get rid of the gals? It is more likely the gal has outlived her welcome as customers willing to take her out has dropped off. It may depend on whether the BBS feeds and houses them. if the gal is paying her own rent and food, there is no cost to the BBS and every customer even if it is 1 a day is all profit. I have had a gal that provided dead starfish service but the BBS never got rid of her as she brought in over 6 customers a day. Every one of those guys bitched what a crap lay she was, but she had the look that a lot of the local mongers liked and there a new sucker every day.

As for my advice of throwing the gals' phone out the door, think underarm slowpitch, not Roger Rocket splitfinger fastball against the wall. If you prefer to play mime games in your hotel room with an irate WG, mommy and assorted goons, that's your call. Have fun.

Bob Builder
12-28-07, 02:30
Last year, I boycotted the Sandy shop that shared the same space as Jojo. I basically boycotted Jojo's shop too. Sandy's shop was boycotted by me because she jumped on my chest and sat on me for over 15 minutes, telling me to pick a girl or she wouldn't let me go.

This time, I'm back going to Jojo's shop and ignoring Sandy's shop. I'm not getting the monkey shit from Sandy anymore. I'm also not telling my buddies not to pick from Sandy's shop. It's their own decision now. Boycott do work, especially when you let them know why.

Regarding the shop with the thief, the mommy Ming Ming, after I told her about the attempted stealing, told me that she had not called the girl back to work the next day. I have not seen the thief two days in a row now. Yes, I will make a stink with the mommy when I see the thief there.

Mommy will always side with money but when a girl is stealing from a customer, mommy will tend to get rid of the girl. If you don't complain to the mommy, they will never know. Also it helps to have rapport with some of these mommies, which in this case I do.

I have an experience with one girl with bad service and the mommy apologized many times and offered me credit for the next girl. I went to her shop 3 times before selecting another girl and she reminded me each time about the credit. Since then, she has been truthful about the skills of her girls to me.

Regarding coming to a shop or a shop's employee which has disrespected you, you just don't let people walk over you in life and not do something about it.

Throwing someone's phone down the hallway is going to incite a riot from the girl. Bad call. Really bad call. Some of their phones are not the cheapy types.

What would you do if a girl smashed your phone by tossing out the door?

Bill


On minute you are on about not being disrespected, then about thinkiing about how the gal will feel! I speak the language and almost always make sure that I tell the mama and the gal at the same time what I want and what I will pay, otherwise no deal. No prepayment at all and the gal gets nothing except maybe taxi fare back if no service. I will get the gal to call the mama if she refuses service and tell her she is either going to do the deed or no money. The gal either leaves or does what she is going to get paid for.

Most of the problems I see on ISG would be down to lack of communications skills in the local language. Every monger has different personalities and thresholds for pain / extortion and are happy to pay as much as it takes to get out of a sticky situation, so maybe what I would do would not work for them. I for one do not enjoy being lubed up near my backdoor and have sharp pointy objects packed near its vicinity, but also no what a no-win situation looks like.

As for what the gal feels or thinks, I don't give a feck. Mongering is all about pleasuring me. Over the years I spent enough to double Nokia's shareprice and build at least a few houses in Wunan, Sichaun, etc. and numerous mom's operations, kid brother's weddings, LOL!

All I know is phone out the door, girl out the door! And it is exactly the fact that most of the phones the gals carry are not cheap is the reason they leave. Like I sad earlier, i didn't say throw it as hard as you can against the wall. They are going to incite a riot anyway. And you are still worried about how some WG feels after she tried to rob you.

Dan Hawaii
12-28-07, 02:53
Well, that's about 7 or 8 of you and what about the 100s - 1000s of other that don't log onto ISG, speak the language and have more mongering smarts that the average ISGer? So they lose their Lao Wei business, we have gone on numerous times about what proportion of business this amounts to.
But you have to think that ISGer's are EVERYDAY warriors. The HK 500 warriors only come out to play on Fridays and Saturdays. That is only 2 days out of the 7 days of the week. ISGer's support the bbs 7 days out of the week. Think about it. When the HKers come those Fridays and Saturdays, they empty out the shops, most of the time it is LT. So the bbs are sold out, but they only get 1-2 sales per girl per weekend day from HKers. Us, ISGers are fewer in numbers, but we are more horny than the HKers and we give "almost" as much business as the HKer's.... if you want to talk about the bottom line.

Damn, when I go to CP I do 3 girls a day. But it does taper off in the later days of my stay, to 1-2 girls per day.

ISGers are more than 8 strong, we are around 100+ strong coming in and out of CP all year round. Damn, one ktv party we had like 15 ISGer's.

Old Mean Dog
12-28-07, 05:34
Well, that's about 7 or 8 of you and what about the 100s - 1000s of other that don't log onto ISG, speak the language and have more mongering smarts that the average ISGer? So they lose their Lao Wei business, we have gone on numerous times about what proportion of business this amounts to. Do you really think they get rid of the gals? It is more likely the gal has outlived her welcome as customers willing to take her out has dropped off. It may depend on whether the BBS feeds and houses them. if the gal is paying her own rent and food, there is no cost to the BBS and every customer even if it is 1 a day is all profit. I have had a gal that provided dead starfish service but the BBS never got rid of her as she brought in over 6 customers a day. Every one of those guys bitched what a crap lay she was, but she had the look that a lot of the local mongers liked and there a new sucker every day.

As for my advice of throwing the gals' phone out the door, think underarm slowpitch, not Roger Rocket splitfinger fastball against the wall. If you prefer to play mime games in your hotel room with an irate WG, mommy and assorted goons, that's your call. Have fun.

BB,

Exactly what Dan said. I threw out 7-8 random names, but there are 100's-1000's who read this thread, so I don't even have the time to write EVERY handle down of the members I know, let alone all the lurkers out there. I know practically every mommy and shop in town, as do many other ISG members, CP is not as big as SZ nor as spread out. I've even fecked 4 mommies myself (3 of them still in CP), so I am positive they know who the hell I am (even spoke to one outside the Lucky Hotel last night) and they see me and numerous other guys around town almost everyday.

Don't think we don't have status here in CP. Guys like OAH, Moody, AG, Fast Eddie and others have been coming here for a long, long time and are respected by the people in the KTV, Sauna's and BBS's. I assure you if all the guys reading this complain to the mommy about the girl being a thief, she won't last long in that shop.

-CPE

Old Mean Dog
12-28-07, 05:41
Hey Bill, Homer Simpson (expat) called you ugly! :D Ho,ho,ho! Lol

Don't need to tell him, all he's gotta do is look in the mirror. Now, we should discuss proper times and places to pop Vitamin V, one of which, is not in front of the girl as your trying to pay the mommy......

-CPE

Bill Lee
12-28-07, 06:42
On minute you are on about not being disrespected, then about thinkiing about how the gal will feel!...

...And you are still worried about how some WG feels after she tried to rob you.

Maybe we have a lack of communication. I have no respect for the girl that tried to steal from me. But I'm not going to make a bad situation worst. In my situation, she complied when I told her to pack up and leave. She wasn't on the phone b*tching to the mommy when accused of stealing. She had guilt written all over her face.

Maybe if she b*tched and denied what had happened, I would have escalated one step higher. But we can't say what would have happened till it happened.

BTW, this is one (attempted stealing) of the first time that this has happened (at least that I know) to me in a long time.

Bob. I think we're on the same level of treatment of someone who has done us wrong.

BTW Santa, I have heard of Viagra Panic Attack but have not actually witnessed until that day at the new #1 shop. That event has pretty much traumatized me for the rest of my life. I hope I never become that senile and old and surcome to V.P.A.

Bill

Bob Builder
12-28-07, 09:45
BB,

CP is not as big as SZ nor as spread out. I've even fecked 4 mommies myself (3 of them still in CP), so I am positive they know who the hell I am (even spoke to one outside the Lucky Hotel last night) and they see me and numerous other guys around town almost everyday.

-CPE

CPE,

LOL, you are sounding more like AG every day and you were the one for giving him crap for making comments like this. Sorry Hoss, I'll make sure that I stay of CP as I'm sure that it is not big enough for both of us. Maybe I'll sitck my little tail between my legs and ask Mr. J for my own thread. Nah, I'm not that thin skinned and this forum is always good for a laugh.

BB.


As far as I know if the gal is a good earner she will be still around but if not she will be gone. Sooner or later the gal will be gone anway. Whether it is because of you or that her business drops off, how can you really tell. I normally have a good rapport with gals I get and sometimes ask what happens to other gals and the story is almost never the same as the mamas. Most gals move on after a few months anyways where they go to another shop in another town where the mama introduces them as "just arrived and fresh off the bus from up north or just finished at some factory in Dongguan"

Weelock
12-28-07, 10:08
Last March I took a girl out of one of the shops behind the Hui Mei, and when I went into the bathroom I heard the locks on my luggage being unsnapped. I came out and caught her, rifling through the stuff (there was actually nothing worth stealing). I kicked her out immediately with no money at all and then walked behind her to her shop, where I told her mama-san, mostly through mime, that she'd tried to steal from me.

The mama hauled off and slapped her open-handed, so hard her head whipped around. She immediately burst into tears.

I have to admit that I had conflicting feelings about it. I wanted the mama to know, but I didn't particularly want the girl slapped around.

Not sure I'd do it the same way again.

RS

Did you get a refund of the mamasan share or an exchange?

I posted about this about a month ago. We were taking a shower together and the girl finished first. Then about 30 seconds later I finished. I wanted to test her. I left the water running and busted the girl holding my pants but she quickly dropped them when she saw me. You should also watch out for the things you have to pay in the bathroom like the little towels and condoms.

Be nice to them but never trust them.

Bill Lee
12-28-07, 15:27
It's the third day and she's the talk the section of the room of where I picked her from. The mommies has apologized to me many times and one offered fruits as a gift. It's doubtful she will return to that shop at all. The main mommy believe it or not has offered to repay any money she stole. I doubt that's going happen if real money was missing.

If I see her at another CP shop, I will definitely point her out to the mommy and customers.

Real earning girls probably do not have to steal but those at the low end or in the middle of the pickings will have to resort to additional means to survive.

Needless to say, when a customer is right, even the money-hungry mommies will understand what's good for business.

Bill

Bill Lee
12-28-07, 15:31
BB, you have to explain to us why CPE sounds like AG?

Our little Homer (CPE) is the furtherest thing from AG. So why does he sound like AG at all?

Bill


CPE,

LOL, you are sounding more like AG every day and you were the one for giving him crap for making comments like this. Sorry Hoss, I'll make sure that I stay of CP as I'm sure that it is not big enough for both of us. Maybe I'll sitck my little tail between my legs and ask Mr. J for my own thread. Nah, I'm not that thin skinned and this forum is always good for a laugh.

BB.

Old Mean Dog
12-28-07, 18:18
CPE,

LOL, you are sounding more like AG every day and you were the one for giving him crap for making comments like this. Sorry Hoss, I'll make sure that I stay of CP as I'm sure that it is not big enough for both of us. Maybe I'll sitck my little tail between my legs and ask Mr. J for my own thread. Nah, I'm not that thin skinned and this forum is always good for a laugh.

BB.


As far as I know if the gal is a good earner she will be still around but if not she will be gone. Sooner or later the gal will be gone anway. Whether it is because of you or that her business drops off, how can you really tell. I normally have a good rapport with gals I get and sometimes ask what happens to other gals and the story is almost never the same as the mamas. Most gals move on after a few months anyways where they go to another shop in another town where the mama introduces them as "just arrived and fresh off the bus from up north or just finished at some factory in Dongguan"


Hey Hoss, not sure what comparisons you seem to want to make between me and AG, put I can prove what I say here, come on up to CP and I'll introduce you to the mommies.

Actually Bob, if you keep tabs on the DG thread, you would have known that it used to be a running joke that I fecked a few of the mommies here. The objective was not to "toot my own horn", it was to comment about your post, that even if we do make a small % of mongers in China, we actually do have some impact in CP and many of the guys are well known by the staff at KTV's, Sauna's and BBS's.

-CPE

Bob Builder
12-29-07, 04:36
Hey Hoss, not sure what comparisons you seem to want to make between me and AG, put I can prove what I say here, come on up to CP and I'll introduce you to the mommies.

Actually Bob, if you keep tabs on the DG thread, you would have known that it used to be a running joke that I fecked a few of the mommies here. The objective was not to "toot my own horn", it was to comment about your post, that even if we do make a small % of mongers in China, we actually do have some impact in CP and many of the guys are well known by the staff at KTV's, Sauna's and BBS's.

-CPE

CP,

You know why I compared you to AG you big bully. "I know all the mamas, I know all the KTV owners, blah blah....". Like I said I get a good laugh out of this forum.

As to assuming that I have not been to CP, I've been going there over 10 years before you set foot there but as its not on my normal route anymore and I have been able to find OK BBS and KTVs talent thats closer I don't need to go the extra mile. This brings me back to someone's comments that BBSs will be phased out in CP in the near future. In Southern China, the mongering hotspots move after a few years. The popularity of CP increased with the number of golf courses, motorway, direct train and better hotels. From what my mongering friends have told me the quality of the gals is almost the same as where I am already going but you pay a premium for the decor in the KTVs

Little Joe.

Old Mean Dog
12-29-07, 06:13
CP,

You know why I compared you to AG you big bully. "I know all the mamas, I know all the KTV owners, blah blah....". Like I said I get a good laugh out of this forum.

As to assuming that I have not been to CP, I've been going there over 10 years before you set foot there but as its not on my normal route anymore and I have been able to find OK BBS and KTVs talent thats closer I don't need to go the extra mile. This brings me back to someone's comments that BBSs will be phased out in CP in the near future. In Southern China, the mongering hotspots move after a few years. The popularity of CP increased with the number of golf courses, motorway, direct train and better hotels. From what my mongering friends have told me the quality of the gals is almost the same as where I am already going but you pay a premium for the decor in the KTVs

Little Joe.

Hey Phone Slinger,

Come on up to CP and I'll even buy you a pair of reading glasses, because you certainly need them! What does me having a few friends and fecking a few of the mommies have to do with me being a big bully? I personally dislike KTV's so I have no contacts there....try Moody or Dan Hawaii

I do live in CP and pull 2-3 girls a week from the shops and I was coming to CP every weekend for a year prior to moving here, so yeah, I do know some people here. Quit sounding like your jealous that a non-Chinese person can know some people in CP on a personal level.

I never said you were a newbie to CP, hell you are probably an old hand here.

-CPE

Santa
12-29-07, 06:26
CP,

You know why I compared you to AG you big bully. "I know all the mamas, I know all the KTV owners, blah blah....". Like I said I get a good laugh out of this forum.


Little Joe.

To be fair, CPexpat didn't say he knows all the ktv owners.

As for the mommies at that location, he did have a reputation for being on sexually intimate terms with them. It became a bit of a game and challenge for him to see how many mommies he could do. I then nick-named him Mommies Boy!

I also recently gave him the name Homer, because I think he looks and behaves like Homer Simpson.

To be fair to AG also, I think he does collect the mommies phone numbers, remembers them by name and calls them up for a chat, just like they are old friends.

When I go in a shop I stare at the girls like a sex starved fucking zombie and I ignore the mommies. I can't remember one mommy from the other.

Bill Lee
12-29-07, 07:44
I know over half of the mommies by name at the Yalan corner and they know me as well. Why? Like anybody who frequents any place, you'll get to know the managers and the managers will know the customers' name and their likes and dislikes.

To assert that Homer is like AG is the worst analogy you can give. He doesn't brag about how many mommies he knows or he have close connection to them. It's just a fact that he knows that many mommies and he has a rapport with them.

If you take a girl from the same mommy two or three times here, you will get to know the mommy as well as we do. Do it often and long enough, you'll established the same rapport as CPE. It's no rocket science here.

And it's no rocket science that if you're in the area and there's LE activity, they will warn you to get out of the area.


Bill

Santa
12-29-07, 17:38
CPExpat is a mommyfucker! :D

Dan Hawaii
12-29-07, 20:20
Anyone going to be in CP town during these days, would like to have ktv parties and go bbs shopping together, please pm me. I'm travelling with 2 other friends from Hawaii and are meeting 3 other friends from San Fran and SZ.

The SF guys like Hui Mei Hotel, anyone can get corporate rates, please pm me, would really appreciate it by paying your way for a ktv party or dinner and beers.

I hope everyone happiness for the new year!!!

Dan Hawaii
12-29-07, 20:25
CPExpat is a mommyfucker! :D
Why is CPE a mommyfucker???........ Cause he can. Hahaha. It's like that joke, .... Why do dogs lick their balls???.... Cause they can... :)

On a serious note, I think CPE is a cool guy who gives out red envelopes during the Chinese New Years to all his mommy friends and WGs. If I was there on Chinese New Years, he would give me one too, yeah, CPE??? Probably will have a condom in there or a vitimin V. Muahahaha!!!

Old Mean Dog
12-30-07, 03:41
Why is CPE a mommyfucker???........ Cause he can. Hahaha. It's like that joke, .... Why do dogs lick their balls???.... Cause they can... :)

On a serious note, I think CPE is a cool guy who gives out red envelopes during the Chinese New Years to all his mommy friends and WGs. If I was there on Chinese New Years, he would give me one too, yeah, CPE??? Probably will have a condom in there or a vitimin V. Muahahaha!!!


Actually, I prefer to give the gift that keeps on giving.....or at least that's what Bill Lee thinks!

Dan, I will be in town during that time, will hook-up with ya!

-CPE

BTW: Bill it was a joke

OldAsiaHand
12-30-07, 04:42
Gentlemen,

All of you have made good points. I have been going to CP off and on since 1995. A good friend hosted my bachelor party there in 1996. IMHO, the scene has remained pretty much the same over the years. Just more of it. One exception is that it has become much more lao wai friendly. The rejection rate was much higher in the old days.

I have to agree with BB's comment about the money. At the end of the day, that is all that matters to the mamas, the girls, the bosses behind the scenes, etc.

I also agree that if you patronize one particular (clever) mama often, she may, and I stress the word may, steer you in the right direction by recommending the girls that provide good service and tell her girls to make a better effort to serve you or, provide you a replacement if one of her girls is not up to par. But, this is just about getting more of your money. Ask any mama to give you your money back or give you something completely for free and see how far you get, regardless of your relationship with her. Even the one freebie mommy I had in CP for awhile asked me to pay for dinner, take her shopping and/or buy her some clothes.

I think we all know that most mamas will tell you anything to make the sale. Just arrived today, used to work in sauna, very obedient, pink color, etc. Whatever they think you want to hear.

The desire for money or fear of losing it, even if only from a few regular ISG members, is why a boycott works. I agree that it is only a fraction of their total business, but they do not want to leave any money on the table.
Of the 2 boycotts I supported, Sandy and the tree shop, the results in the end were satisfactory. That is not to say that they will not continue to try their bullshit on other customers, but at least not on those of us that supported the boycott.

Frankly, I think we sometimes give these people in the industry more credit than they deserve. We should not lose sight of who we are dealing with in pursuit of our hobby. FPF is my motto; fuck, pay, forget.

Just my POV.

OAH

P.S. Where's the pussy at?

Bill Lee
12-30-07, 10:51
Aside from being a Sunday with low normal turnouts by the girls, all the shops were low on supply. Been told by mommies that the Taiwan guys are in town for the four day holiday and taking most of the girls.

For the next couple of days, I suggest going to the shops earlier. I was there at around 5pm today.

Bill

Bill Lee
12-30-07, 17:47
It wasn't a goosebump? Was it?

Bill



Actually, I prefer to give the gift that keeps on giving.....or at least that's what Bill Lee thinks!

Dan, I will be in town during that time, will hook-up with ya!

-CPE

BTW: Bill it was a joke

Bill Lee
12-30-07, 17:52
We were in lockdown mode at Baby's at about 9:30 p.m. tonight. It lasted aobut 15 minutes. We didn't know we were locked in until I tried to exit the main room into the eating area. The door was locked, preventing me from leaving the shop. The mommies told us that it was not safe to leave the shop and asked us to wait patiently. One of the mommies said that LE was looking for girls without IDs.

Bill