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I am solo in China most of the time I am here. I stay in the ChangAn area.
I have no trouble finding "fun" in every country I goto in Asia but here in Dongguan I don't know where to go solo??? And I speak the freaking language. I know about KTV's but you can not go solo. There is a bar at the hotel but no girls whatsoever. Outside of the hotel is an industry city so there is no there to go. Not into the sauna thing. Where are the discos where you can pick up girls like in Vietnam, Indonesia and Malaysia??
Would love to hear tips from everyone at this forum. I will post reports of my past trip. I am looking forward to Ho Chi Min where I'm gonna meet up with a super hot Vietnamese girl that gives me the full GFE. Fake tits and ass implants!! When did these girls get ASS IMPLANTS!! OMG!! Will push for pictures!
abcman
But you gotta love them.
Have you noticed:
- The way they can trash your bathroom in under 5 mins?
- They can run through a box of Kleenex, just giving a 5 min blowjob!
- Use the pay goodies in the bathroom, without asking (i.e. Female Hygine Wash), but forget what a damn toothbrush is, which is free!
- Hack and spit as good or better than any man!
- Fuck up the shop in which they work with chicken bones, sunflower seeds and cigarette butts!
I love the girls in CP just because they are young, naughty, little materialistic things.
-SZEKinda of odd but. These things never happen to me. I guess I had a girl soak my bathroom once, but otherwise. Nothing. I know these things happen cuz other guys report the same thing. I guess I've just been lucky.
With my favourite shop/mommy at Yalan, I figure my chances are 1/3=soso 1/3=good 1/3=fantastic.So far, I've only had 2 duds. One was a cutter, the other made up for it though with a fantastic figure. The others were all good to excellent.
Pointpanic
06-10-07, 21:26
Went there for lunch because I asked local client to show me the South China Mall. It is built to be biggest mall on earth but is now many huge unleased builkings. It is in a suburb of Dongguan City. After lunch we did the sauna at Niles Villa Hotel. The girls had Egyptian costumes and there were some real lookers. Better than any hotel sauna I have seen.
Just read the Niles has a KTV with 76 rooms. I imagine the girls wear the Egyptian costumes.
Just curious if anyone has been to KTV.
I have been to China a few times now and have had a few different experiences in KTV and sanua's around shenzhen but have never managed to go out to Dongguan. Well that all changed last night, and oh my God.
I have read the various reports here before and just couldn't quiet imagine places filled with girls beyond belief. Well, one of staff members here came back from seeing his family in Shanghai and on the way back from the airport he sent me a message saying be ready, we are going to Dongguan tonight.
We drove there and as it was about 6.30pm we decided to have dinner and went to a great restaurant called International cuisine and Western Wedding centre, sorry, no what road it was on but it was not far off the highway and toll booth on the main exit ramp. The place was massive and the food selection was incredible, well worth going there.
From their we went to this massage/sanua place that our driver knew of, it wasn't far from the restuarant and it's english name was King Jungle Dragon, didn't look much from the outside but once inside, hell.
To the left of walking is like a hotel reception area, which leads off to a more "normal" massage service from what I could gather, our driver spoke to a manager and then he lead us around to the right and through a back section and up stairs to the 3rd floor, through some very nice lounge type areas and then past rooms and rooms into a meeting area where they brought the girls through. This is where it got crazy, I had never seen such a selection of very attractive girls in my life come through. The first lineup came in some where dressed in schoolgirl type uniforms and some were in maid type outfits, there was 25 in this lineup alone, nothing caught my eye and my friend said there is many more so don't choose early, god, he was right. Our driver took a girl from this first batch and he was lead way to a room, they then brought the next lineup through, they were a lot better. Half were dressed in black cocktail dress and the other were is red see through dress wearing bra and nickers underneath. I was like a kid in a candy store, there was 30 girls in the lineup and filled the room.
There was one little thing that caught my eye as she walked in the room as she had a very cute face and had a very nice smile which she showed off when she introduced herself. She was about 5'2" had a great figure and good sized tits and nice long hair, she was wearing black and was number S3. I would rate her at an 8 and I'm very fussy, I had to go with her and my friend also took one from this line up, they lead us to our rooms which were massive. It had a steam room, big shower all in a seperate part and then the main bedroom behind a glass wall so you could see all the way through. A shoe guy came in and took the shoes to clean I guess, gave him 20rmb to get me a drink as well.
She started to undress me when there was knock at the door, she answered and it was my friend and his girl, he said that for only an extra 100rmb could have a second girl and did i want one? I was very happy with the one I had but thought ah, what the hell. There was girl already waiting out side, she was not as good looking, maybe a 6, small tits but okay. They both stripped down and my girl revealed a smashing body, petite and firm all over, great tits that begged to be sucked, nice little patch of hair on her pussy. The other was okay but all my attention was with my girl. The second girl got the shower going and I went in there while first girl put her hair up so wouldn't get wet etc. In the shower they both washed and soaped me up all over paying special attention in the right places. They then soaped up each other and gave me a body slide in the shower which was great, my girl was behind me rubbing her c sized tits up and down me and playing with my balls at the same time. She turned around and grabbed my hands and put them on her tits to massage them as she slide up and down grinding her tight arse on mine. By this stage the little man was getting stired up and the 2nd girl was also rubbing her arse up and down the length of my dick which felt damn good.
The 1st girl said something to the other and she got out of the shower and got dryed and then started to prepare the room. My girl then came around the front and slide up and down me again and putting my cock between those lovely tits, was great. She then proceeded to give me a BJ in the shower and rubbing my balls at the same time, she did this for about five minutes as the room was ready and the other girl was standing outside with a towel, guess it was time to move on.
Dryed up and moved into the bedroom where they layed me down and proceed to give me a fanastic massage. They both took turns doing various things. 2nd girl gave me general oil rub down and good massage, the 1st did a great catbath and fire and ice and then she continued the BBBJ she started in the shower. It was fantastic as she flicked her tongue around the head which was driving me nuts. She then moved around beside me for a little bit so I could feel her moist pussy which she liked, then all of a sudden she put her legs up on the wall above my head and was doing a hand stand will still suck on my cock!! what a girl! The view was incredible, to have the hot sexy girl giving me a BBBJ with her tits just inches from my face with her body raising up and her pussy just have my head. I massaged her all over and played with her pussy, and sticking a finger in and slowing fucking her. She was moaning at this while still sucking on me.
They then stood me up against the wall standing on the bed, the 2nd girl was kissing me all over and and reached around and started to finger her pussy which was already nice and wet, she started to moan at this action so guessed she was enjoying it. My girl was giving me a great BBBJ then she turned over while still having my cock in her mouth so it was reverse, so I grabbed her tits and was massaging those which were great.
She proceed to put on cover and then stood up in from of me and while looking into my eyes she raised up her left leg and rested it on the head board of the bed! She then grabbed by cock and slide it inside her, it was nice and warm and tight and she dropped her head back as she slowly fucked me and took more of me inside her with a look of pleasure on her face. After a while of this we dropped to the bed and i did her in mish while the 2nd girl played with my balls, then in cowgirl and reverse cowgirl. She loved it and so did I, i finally erupted in side her in mish again with both of us covered in sweat and lose of breath.
Went back to the shower to clean up and back to the room again. Lay on the bed with both girls on each side of me stroking me. Ended up doing my girl again and the 2nd girl once, she wasn't as fun but still a good fuck.
2 and half hours later it was time to go and meet my friend and we headed down stairs. Said goodbye to the girls and my 1st girl gave me a big hug and kiss goodbye and seem genuinely happy with the time. She gave a very good GFE.
We sat in the lounge and had some complimentary drinks and my friend, who is chinese, said that his girl told him that there was over 100 rooms in the place and at the moment there was 200 girls there! I was amazed, but could believe it becasue the building was big and we walked past many rooms and we had seen 50 girls just in our 2 line ups.
All in all, a fantastic time, would highly recommend the place. Sorry, I don't have the address but will try to get it and post it later. Apparantly, it was 700rmb for the 2 girls including tips. For me, it was well worth it and will be going back for sure.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
For someone who has no trouble finding "fun" in every country you gone to and has not posted one report. you expect me to believe that you will post reports in the future?
I think you're going to be one of those lurkers who will sponge off us and give nothing back. If you must sponge, please read the board first.
But hey that is just my opinion.
Bill (who takes and takes and never give anything in return).
That's just me. Oppps. That's another member's handle. What a sponger I have become.
Well maybe I should take it back. After all, you joined on June 10th.
I am solo in China most of the time I am here. I stay in the ChangAn area.
I have no trouble finding "fun" in every country I goto in Asia but here in Dongguan I don't know where to go solo??? And I speak the freaking language. I know about KTV's but you can not go solo. There is a bar at the hotel but no girls whatsoever. Outside of the hotel is an industry city so there is no there to go. Not into the sauna thing. Where are the discos where you can pick up girls like in Vietnam, Indonesia and Malaysia??
Would love to hear tips from everyone at this forum. I will post reports of my past trip. I am looking forward to Ho Chi Min where I'm gonna meet up with a super hot Vietnamese girl that gives me the full GFE. Fake tits and ass implants!! When did these girls get ASS IMPLANTS!! OMG!! Will push for pictures!
abcman
Pointpanic
06-11-07, 15:32
I am solo in China most of the time I am here. I stay in the ChangAn area.
I have no trouble finding "fun" in every country I goto in Asia but here in Dongguan I don't know where to go solo??? And I speak the freaking language. I know about KTV's but you can not go solo. There is a bar at the hotel but no girls whatsoever. Outside of the hotel is an industry city so there is no there to go. Not into the sauna thing. Where are the discos where you can pick up girls like in Vietnam, Indonesia and Malaysia??
Would love to hear tips from everyone at this forum. I will post reports of my past trip. I am looking forward to Ho Chi Min where I'm gonna meet up with a super hot Vietnamese girl that gives me the full GFE. Fake tits and ass implants!! When did these girls get ASS IMPLANTS!! OMG!! Will push for pictures!
abcman
ABCMAN I am not a real pro on Dongguan, just a too infrequent visitor to the area . Fast Eddie did a report about a year ago on your question.
The bottom line for laowais are the KTVs, the hotel saunas and the mamasans and BBSs. There really are no bars or discos for laowais in Changping as in Hong Kong, Thailand or the PI. There are some bars for laowais in the Shekou part of Shenzhen but not much in Dongguan.
There are no massage parlors in Changping as in Bangkok.
Perhaps one of the reasons why this site is so used is because there are a lot of posters who go to Changping as solos and therefore use the board to meet other posters in Changping. Some of the posters like the KTVs but most do not.
My advice is to try and hook up with some posters on the board, stay at the Miraton in Changpong, walk the streets and go by the Yalan Hotel area.
You will be approached.
Bae Yong Joon
06-11-07, 15:40
This was my first visit to Dongguan and I did not know where to go. So I decided to go down on the first floor of my hotel, Parview Hotel, Changan and visited Regal Sauna.
I had stayed at Changzhou's Fudu Trader's hotel before and they had a sauna where you could get HJ two times and though I would get something like this as well. I think I paid about 600 RMB.
Well, I think I was overchaged by the manager at Regal Sauna because he quoted me 268 RMB for the room charge and 500 RMB as a tip. I tried to bargain down, but I was tired and just wanted to get off.
I had a line of three girls and chose a very young looking cutie from Shanxi province and that was all I could learn about her as I don't speak Chinese. She cleaned me very well in the shower and moved on to the bed. She proceeded to give me a cleaning job with her tongue and then a blow job that was one of the best I have ever had. After this, she started to give me a massage that was half-hearted. I stopped her from doing this and decided to take a charge, but she just would not go along. She gave me a HJ instead.
Not sure if I really enjoyed the visit and it was worth my money, so I won’t recommend this place to anyone.
ManonsanBoy
06-11-07, 20:00
I stopped her from doing this and decided to take a charge, but she just would not go along. She gave me a HJ instead.
Not sure if I really enjoyed the visit and it was worth my money, so I won’t recommend this place to anyone.
You should have complained to the manager and demanded a refund. Not too loudly as it is all illegal. You were ripped off.
Travel Dog
06-12-07, 04:06
BYJ
I'm not much of a Sauna guy myself but I hook up my customers quite often in Chang An. The Parkview sauna is about the most expensive in Chang An. The girl should have given you full service for that price and I bet the manager thinks you got it. You were ripped off by the girl not the Parkview.
There are other places in Chang An you can get Full service including the room for as little as 400RMB, if you negoiciate in advance. I would recomend Dong Hao Hotel, Jin Long Dao rest centre and Long Dao Hui masssage centre. There are probably 20 more. The Infinitude KTV has just opened a new Sauna. I went and saw the rooms. Fantastic decoration and should be about the same price as the Parkview.
TD
Well, I think I was overchaged by the manager at Regal Sauna because he quoted me 268 RMB for the room charge and 500 RMB as a tip. I tried to bargain down, but I was tired and just wanted to get off.
She gave me a HJ instead.
Not sure if I really enjoyed the visit and it was worth my money, so I won’t recommend this place to anyone.
Well, I think I was overchaged by the manager at Regal Sauna because he quoted me 268 RMB for the room charge and 500 RMB as a tip.
Don't you usually pay the room charge at the place, and pay the tip directly to the girl? That's the way I know it and the only way I ever did it.
Bae Yong Joon
06-12-07, 13:41
Don't you usually pay the room charge at the place, and pay the tip directly to the girl? That's the way I know it and the only way I ever did it.You are right. I gave the tip of 500 RMB to the girl before leaving the room and paid 268 RMB to the place.
Thanks for the comments from other members. Next time, I am better informed of the place. Maybe I won't go to the sauna inside of the Parkview, but cross the street to Parkview Thernar Massage.
Hello friends,
As promised here are my two cents of information about Changping Town in Dongguan. I believe my suggestions will be more appreciate by west men than Asian man because many of them probably already know very well Dongguan city facilities.
If you are in Guangzhou and want go there, if you do not know any China words and sign (as me) you can do it but you must have a special spirit like a "boy scout" spirit because about 99% of the people will not understand you and only few of them will understand some your "hand talk". Anyway if you have the right spirit you can do it as me and I am sure you will find many friendly people that will try to help you.
To go there is very easy, in Guangzhou you must go to east train station (better by taxi) and when you will be there ask at any thicket office a Dongguang ticket telling only: "Dongguang". The ticket generally is 50 or 55 y. Reading the ticket is also very easy. In the high part is reported the train number, very important because you have to find the gate where the train leave, but. I saw only two gate hence it was very easy. In the second line you will find the date the time when the train will leave and more important the coach number and your place seat number. Easy. The real problem is at the arrival. When I was there my boy scout spirit suggested me to take an ojak (motor biker): it is funny and cheap. But he did not understand any English words and I was not very easy to explain him to bring me in some good hotel. After some "hand talk" I invited him to go to the road to looking around. Fortunately after a 15 minutes we arrived at the hotel’s road. I recognised the English name of Virgin, Miraton hotels and so on and after all was easy.
I stayed 3 day at Miraton; nice hotel, good, clean and with friendly staff, good KYV but unfortunately without Sauna but all hotel in the centre are the same.
About girls: the first day I took many girls from the road offered by many Mammasan that you can find between Miraton to Hui Mei after 15. 00. If you are a west man, do not worry, the mamasans will find you. Till 20. 00 the girls stay in flats in the back of the main roads. In a flat that one mamas brought me, I saw about 15 girls and 2 of them was very cute and hence way do not start with them? And I did! Good experience.
After the 20. 00 they run around the roads by a big Van and the mamasans can show you to have your best choice.
One night I was also in a KTV but. I think is a typical entertainment that like at Asian men. Sorry I didn’t find any large enjoyment singing with some nice girls. Perhaps the language barrier was so high but telling the true. I prefer dance with a girl, touch her, but singing is. An cool entertainment. My best pleasure is in the saunas of the hotels (Virgins). Perhaps a little expensive but when you go there you know that you will spend 2 beautiful hours with the chosen girl and with some. Pleasure plays that rarely you will find in Europe and America. Plays, like cat bath, fire and ice and. Some others, are able to give me more pleasure than a simple and fast fuck.
The last my advice, probably is new for many member.
Last day there I was very tired, I was very exhaust about sex, and asked at the hotel reception a good place to relax myself. They introduced me in a place that you can find following the main hotel road (the road from Hui Mei to Virgin to Miraton ecc.). After about 700, 800 meter, on the left there is the Royal Club House. At the external it look like an hotel but is a fantastic sauna (no sex) for rich local people. At the first level you can find 4 swimming pool with different aroma inside, at the second level the billiard room, bar, restaurant internet room and so on and at the third lever the massage rooms.
This place is very interesting because many men but also women go there to relax and it was very easy to find new local friends. I was there only in the Sunday morning but my felling told me that: if I was there at my first day, I am sure that I should had the same sex experiences, but probably without using so large money.
Try and let me know.
Ciao
Hello friends, ...
I stayed 3 day at Miraton; nice hotel, good, clean and with friendly staff, good KYV but unfortunately without Sauna but all hotel in the centre are the same....
Ciao
Many thanks to Andy for this perspective.
Of course, the Miraton does have a sauna, on the 7th, 8th, and 9th floors. I have seen the 7th and 8th, but wonder what is on the 9th. Anyway, I sampled the Miraton sauna twice during my most recent stay, and each time was very pleasant. On the first occasion, the girl even enjoyed DFK, unusual for a sauna girl. The Miraton is an extremely well operated establishment, so it should come as no surprise to anyone that the sauna is also. Price is 565 or so for a girl in the sauna or 400 in your room.
On the second experience with the sauna, I called the mama (I guess she should be called a mama) to ask for a girl. The mama came to my room alone, and we chatted for quite some time. I am guessing late 20s, tall, with legs up to here, encased in a short black skirt, part of their uniform. She was giving me the 100-megawatt smile and showing a lot of leg. We talked for so long, Seymour and I were beginning to entertain the idea of asking her to ditch the intercom, as well as her duds, and join us in the shower. But then she called down for a line-up (of two), so that idea never came to fruition. Her card is attached.
ManonsanBoy
06-13-07, 23:31
The 9th Floor is their floater. It gets used as either and at weekends, they ask likely mongers whether they mind staying there. They tend not to send families up there.
Fast Eddie 48
06-14-07, 16:57
The 9th Floor is their floater. It gets used as either and at weekends, they ask likely mongers whether they mind staying there. They tend not to send families up there.I have been to Miraton sauna once their talent and service is not as good as New Century or Hui Mei , the room at New Century is larger with steam room in the bath room try the 2 girl spiecal 268 rmb for the room and 300 rmb tip for the girl.
Fast eddie 48
Bull Dozer
06-14-07, 18:36
OAH,
what is the date for your next excursion to CP the week of June 25th-30th, please let me know. Thanks
Go Joe
Ace Gallant
06-15-07, 01:16
OAH,
what is the date for your next excursion to CP the week of June 25th-30th, please let me know. Thanks
Go Joe
Go Joe,
There will alway be guys like Santa and Bill who are now permantly our spies in CP. Look for them. As for meeting.... hmm.... most of us are out of town, not sure we will have our weekly meeting....
CP; no problem for mongering, BBS are still packed with girls except the weather is too wet to get around. Often floods in the streets. If you do not mind having your pants swiming in the water..... of course another way is to wear Bermudas.
BTW: Last year you asked me about a place in CP for a tailored suit. Yes there are a couple and priced around 200 - 500 depending on the quality. It's near the place where Baby's BBS is. Can show you the shop if you bump into me.
Enjoy!
AG
Ace Gallant
06-15-07, 01:21
Due to the fact they were been raided last year, this Sauna is open to in-house guest or "VIP" only. VIP are regulars or customers who had been introduced by other regulars. It is not open to public. If you notice, the Sauna sign in the hotel had been taken down, so are the indications in the elevators.
Please do not advertise further on this Sauna. We do not want it to be raided again do we?
Enjoy!
AG
I want to thank WaikikiBob and his friends in inviting me to my first trip to the Jiayi KTV. Did the 200+ girl line up. The girls were no better than the girls found in Yalan area. 1 out of 5, was a stunner. Most were in the age range of the Yalan girls. I was surprised that most older sophicated girls weren't in the line up. My new found friends picked the older ones (mid-20's) while I picked a cute little Hunan babe. She said that she was 20. Their picks were some that you didn't mind walking in the street with while my pick made me felt that I was with my daughter.
Don't get me wrong, I'm older than you think. My daughter could be in her 30s.
Anyway, decent GFE during the time at the KTV. While some of the guys went wild with willing KTV girls, I was pretty reserve with mine. Treating her well and not agressively.
After coming back to the hotel, I worked for about an hour before waking her up to have some fun. After about 30 minutes of slow sex, I just couldn't come. She was really fun in bed and pretty GFE but no DATY.
Then we started up again and after 10 minutes, I was able to come.
Went to sleep and woke up about 7:00 a.m. and started to get the morning urge. Started to play with her but she was not in the mood. She got up and told me that she did not want to do it again. She became business like and told me that she was not going to do another round. I told her right off that it would be 500 for the 1 shot and that's what she would get from me. She insisted that I pay 800 for the night. I laughed and call her crazy but she sat up on the bed and would not budge.
I took out the business card her mama had given me that night. Called her and woke her up. Explained to her the situation and that I was not paying 800 for a one shot deal. She spoke with her girl and the girl told her that I had ridden her for over an hour and she couldn't take it again. NO way, 1 hour? I'm no superman.
Bottomline, after speaking with mama, she left with 500.
A must to avoid. I found her in a lineup wearing a tigh red dress, like the other girls next to her. Photo was taken with glasses but she wasn't wearing glasses before coming back to hotel. Her name sounded like Lalk Lalk but she spelled it Lele.
Moral of the story, if you're in the right, always contact their mama to straighten out a bad scene from getting worst.
BTW, I did the line up just by walking into the line up room without asking for a KTV room. Last time, we were asked to get a KTV room before getting the line up. After entering the KTV section which is on the left side of the entrance, bear right into the large line up room and you'll be able see the line up without booking a room.
OldAsiaHand
06-15-07, 10:45
OAH,
what is the date for your next excursion to CP the week of June 25th-30th, please let me know. Thanks
Go Joe
Go Joe,
I will probably be there on the evening of the 25th that week.
OAH
Post by Bill Lee: I want to thank WaikikiBob and his friends in inviting me to my first trip to the Jiayi KTV. Did the 200+ girl line up. The girls were no better than the girls found in Yalan area. 1 out of 5, was a stunner. Most were in the age range of the Yalan girls. I was surprised that most older sophicated girls weren't in the line up. My new found friends picked the older ones (mid-20's) while I picked a cute little Hunan babe. She said that she was 20. Their picks were some that you didn't mind walking in the street with while my pick made me felt that I was with my daughter.
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I am a business man here in USA , I always think of new ways to make money. I too don't like walking down the street with a 20 years old. China has some beautiful women from 30 to 45+ . They need to have a ktv for these kind of women. They are missing the boat on beautiful older women.
This will never happen. Older Chinese men have face if they are out with a 20 year old. Myself , being with a young woman alone is OK. But not going out with her. So , I just walk the streets or visit the shops in the City that I am in. If I see an older woman , I smile at her , make eye contact with her and tell her she is beautiful. I almost always get their Tel #. Its so easy in China.
I was out with a 20 year old in Guangzhou . She wants to hold my hand in public , feed me when we eat. I told her to stop and just feed me some pussy in the hotel. I am sure that many of the older guys like this , but its not for me.
Enjoy yourself Bill Lee
Tile man
Old Mean Dog
06-16-07, 15:05
I am a business man here in USA , I always think of new ways to make money. I too don't like walking down the street with a 20 years old. China has some beautiful women from 30 to 45+ . They need to have a ktv for these kind of women. They are missing the boat on beautiful older women.
I have been told by some locals that there is an area in CP with 30+ year old hookers, where they come out for a lineup. I have heard insane prices of 50-100 rmb ST, can someone verify this if you have firsthand knowledge. Sounds similiar to the catacombs, but for the older girls.
SZE
I agree with Tile man. Getting older women instantly is easier said than done. When I am in CP and I go to the BBS I always get offerred 18 year olds but if you want to take them out (me 40s chinese) its a little awkward. Feel like a Hong Kong middle aged man. When I go there I get this 27 year old half Uighur and half han chinese girl. Down side, she is pretty loose in the works department. If you want to do a SYT discretely, go to Shenzhen. 150 for 20 mins of young flesh in an apartment. Mas
If you guys don't like walking around with the girls, why don't you just have them meet you in your hotel room? I usually have the girl meet me back at the hotel at a preset time. That way, I can go around and look at more girls and see if I see any I like better. You can have them meet you much later too if you want. Once I picked a girl around 5PM, had her meet me back in my hotel at midnight. Funny thing is, a bit before midnight, she called and told me she was coming over. I told her not to come because I was having a good time at the KTV and wanted to take the KTV girl back.
If you guys want older girls, I hear there are a bunch of places in Shenzhen where older women are looking to pick up younger guys. I don't know where these places are, but I know somebody who does. I'll ask her when I get into town.
I want to thank WaikikiBob and his friends in inviting me to my first trip to the Jiayi KTV. Did the 200+ girl line up. The girls were no better than the girls found in Yalan area. 1 out of 5, was a stunner. Most were in the age range of the Yalan girls. I was surprised that most older sophicated girls weren't in the line up. BTW, I did the line up just by walking into the line up room without asking for a KTV room. Last time, we were asked to get a KTV room before getting the line up. After entering the KTV section which is on the left side of the entrance, bear right into the large line up room and you'll be able see the line up without booking a room.
Bill
What time did you get to Jia Yi. I usually get there early around 7PM on a Friday or Sat and the room is just packed with atleast five hunderd girls in four or five long lines, like the old Amazon KTV. Im just surprise that there was not as many gals when you went there. Was it a weekday? just wondering. I found atleast half of them were stunners or almost stunners and dress to kill. I was there in late january and can not wait to get back. Hopefully in a few weeks or in late july early august.
We did the KTV route. My friend have a VIP pass. After we choose some gals and while sitting in the room, several friendly mommies selected about forty to fifty stunners up to ask us if we want to add to our current collections or trade our current gals in if we were not satisfy. My standard is to choose two or three stunner and tell them that i just want to go back with one and let the bitches fight over me for the next few hours... in the end i usually take one or do a double fly. I have been there several times and given the circumstances some of these b*tches just get real damn nasty in the ktv room just trying to earn the privilege of going back with me for all all nighter...
If you guys don't like walking around with the girls, why don't you just have them meet you in your hotel room? I usually have the girl meet me back at the hotel at a preset time. That way, I can go around and look at more girls and see if I see any I like better. You can have them meet you much later too if you want. Once I picked a girl around 5PM, had her meet me back in my hotel at midnight. Funny thing is, a bit before midnight, she called and told me she was coming over. I told her not to come because I was having a good time at the KTV and wanted to take the KTV girl back.
If you guys want older girls, I hear there are a bunch of places in Shenzhen where older women are looking to pick up younger guys. I don't know where these places are, but I know somebody who does. I'll ask her when I get into town. Moody,
The best quote I heard from a man on ISG was. I don't pay for sex, I pay women to leave. I forgot who wrote the post. Yes, I am self conscience when walking around town with a very young woman, but I / we allow our self to be used.
I too, like to have any 19 year old woman park her high heels next to my bed. But I find that Chinese women can be the most aggressive women in the world. A newbie (Like me) must learn to say no no no. I am new to ISG, but not new to China.
I think, if any of us do an all-nightie for 200 rmb + or. A few rmb with a young woman. She is already thinking about breakfast in the morning, lunch in the afternoon and of course shopping. The latter (shopping) is the most important. One way or another she is determined to get more than her 200 rmb. Just say no.
As a little boy, I thought my name was. George no no. So I hate the word no. When in China you must learn the word no or they will use you. You can't blame them. I only write this post for the new guys who will go to China. So, if any man is uncomfortable walking the streets with a 19 year old. Just bring them to your room and don't pay for sex. Pay them to leave and learn to say no.
Be safe
Tile man
Bill
What time did you get to Jia Yi. I usually get there early around 7PM on a Friday or Sat and the room is just packed with atleast five hunderd girls in four or five long lines, like the old Amazon KTV. Im just surprise that there was not as many gals when you went there. Was it a weekday? just wondering. I found atleast half of them were stunners or almost stunners and dress to kill. I was there in late january and can not wait to get back. Hopefully in a few weeks or in late july early august.
In recent months, while the average number of girls at 7pm would be close to between 250 and 350 (by my actual count of the line up from above), my eyes see a normal 20/80 breakdown between lookers and the less attractive ones. As for stunners, I would say the ratio is more like 5/95 as with anywhere else.
But then, beauty is always in the eye of the beholder.
The above merely my personal opinion.
Ace Gallant
06-18-07, 02:06
If you guys don't like walking around with the girls, why don't you just have them meet you in your hotel room? I usually have the girl meet me back at the hotel at a preset time. That way, I can go around and look at more girls and see if I see any I like better. You can have them meet you much later too if you want. Once I picked a girl around 5PM, had her meet me back in my hotel at midnight. Funny thing is, a bit before midnight, she called and told me she was coming over. I told her not to come because I was having a good time at the KTV and wanted to take the KTV girl back.
If you guys want older girls, I hear there are a bunch of places in Shenzhen where older women are looking to pick up younger guys. I don't know where these places are, but I know somebody who does. I'll ask her when I get into town.
As Bill put it: The walk of shame. He just hates it when he needs to walk through the hotel lobby with the BBS girl/s
I am sure a couple of us hate it too. I was with JohnnyKon in CP on Saturnday evening when he told me the same thing too!
This is what I do nowadays,
1) Go to the BBS and "book" a girl.
2) Tell mama that you are going to have dinner with a bunch of friends.
3) Tell mama that you will call her after your dinner is done
4) Upon calling her, she is to send the girl directly to your room
5) Do not commit to a ST or LT.
6) Do not tell her when you will finish dinner.
7) If mama ask you estimated time that she should send the girl. Again; Never tell her; just say that you are not sure as it depends on your friends.
Of course if I found someone nicer at the KTV later I can always call mama and tell her that I'll keep her girl for tomorrow as I am fucking drunk! Mamas and those BBS girls do not like drunk customers. They would let you go.
Reasons: If you let her knows the time;
If the estimate time is early evening; she might keep on calling you trying to push her girl out (remember you did not commit whether it is ST or LT) at least if it is ST, she have a chance to sell her once you are done.
If the estimate time is late evening and when another guest come along, she might sell her for a ST before you ask for her.
There are times when you commit to a girl and told mama that you want to the girl on late evening; but later when you call for the girl, you did not get the girl you have picked; this happens when mama had already sold the girl to another person. In such cases, mama would give excuses like; THe girls suddently had her period or the girl is not that good and so she made the decision to get a better for you.
Of course these problems can be eliminated if you have a regular mama that will not play you out. And remember; booking a girl means you pay the 100 to mama. If you do not pay the 100 and expect the mama to keep the girl for you, there is no loyally; she might sell the girl out to someone who would pay instantly, and she will tell you those stupid excuses. I think it work both ways, if you do not commit to the mama, why should she commit the girl to you. It is a fair game. For me; if I see a girl I like, I would just throw in the 100, I would not bother to wait and see if there is another better girl or another prettier one down the road, it is not the end of the world, you can always do the prettier one down the road tomorrow.
IMHO: There will always be one better down the road, in CP, there are also many other customers, you like her but do not commit; you walk away; there will be another person who may come along and take her. I remember telling my buddy; OAH as he is famous for "the hunt" it if often he have to re-consider and re-walked the group of BBS because by the time he decided, the girl he wanted earlier is gone.
Do not worry about the ones you have not discover treasure the ones in front of you. just my POV.
Enjoy!
AG
I think it was a Wednesday night or possibly Thursday, the night of the posting. There were four lines. maybe at most, each line had 60 girls? Maybe I underestimated it by 50 to 100? But not 400 or more. Got there between 7 to 8 p.m.
Your idea of a stunner could be different from mine. I'll gone mostly to Yalan in my CP trips and found that the selection at KTV no better than Yalan. But that's just an opinion.
I used to be a KTV person when I first arrived here in my first 3 years but through the wisdom of Cronin (I miss him) and OAH, I have learned the ways of getting the same thrill without spending the big bucks. Beside, unlike some of yous, I don't have an expense account or are my trips here for business purposes.
Bill
Bill
What time did you get to Jia Yi. I usually get there early around 7PM on a Friday or Sat and the room is just packed with atleast five hunderd girls in four or five long lines, like the old Amazon KTV. Im just surprise that there was not as many gals when you went there. Was it a weekday? just wondering. I found atleast half of them were stunners or almost stunners and dress to kill. I was there in late january and can not wait to get back. Hopefully in a few weeks or in late july early august.
We did the KTV route. My friend have a VIP pass. After we choose some gals and while sitting in the room, several friendly mommies selected about forty to fifty stunners up to ask us if we want to add to our current collections or trade our current gals in if we were not satisfy. My standard is to choose two or three stunner and tell them that i just want to go back with one and let the bitches fight over me for the next few hours... in the end i usually take one or do a double fly. I have been there several times and given the circumstances some of these b*tches just get real damn nasty in the ktv room just trying to earn the privilege of going back with me for all all nighter...
Ace Gallant
06-18-07, 06:39
I think it was a Wednesday night or possibly Thursday, the night of the posting. There were four lines. maybe at most, each line had 60 girls? Maybe I underestimated it by 50 to 100? But not 400 or more. Got there between 7 to 8 p.m.
Your idea of a stunner could be different from mine. I'll gone mostly to Yalan in my CP trips and found that the selection at KTV no better than Yalan. But that's just an opinion.
I used to be a KTV person when I first arrived here in my first 3 years but through the wisdom of Cronin (I miss him) and OAH, I have learned the ways of getting the same thrill without spending the big bucks. Beside, unlike some of yous, I don't have an expense account or are my trips here for business purposes.
Bill
"Things become so blurry here when you're here too long... "
That is because after day no. 7, your little head took over and the big head shutdowns!
You also started thinking that Pussies are more important than friends!!! :D
Enjoy!
AG
Do you think if there was no pussy here, any one of us would come back to China just to hang out?
We would find another spot to meet where there's pussies. But no pussies, no common ground to meet again.
That's the truth.
Why would we meet? What would we talk about? The old days? It's not like we are all living and working in one place.
Let's be realistic, we met and became friends over pussies.
Beside my friends know really what's in my heart. I give up a good looking pussy to a friend any time and be willing to do sloppy seconds. That's a monger's idea of friendship.
Bill
"Things become so blurry here when you're here too long... "
That is because after day no. 7, your little head took over and the big head shutdowns!
You also started thinking that Pussies are more important than friends!!! :D
Enjoy!
AG
Old Mean Dog
06-18-07, 07:45
Do you think if there was no pussy here, any one of us would come back to China just to hang out?
We would find another spot to meet where there's pussies. But no pussies, no common ground to meet again.
That's the truth.
Why would we meet? What would we talk about? The old days? It's not like we are all living and working in one place.
Let's be realistic, we met and became friends over pussies.
Beside my friends know really what's in my heart. I give up a good looking pussy to a friend any time and be willing to do sloppy seconds. That's a monger's idea of friendship.
Bill
I would come because I am interested in the culture and history, but I certainly would not go to CP if it wasn't such a pussy paradise.
Sloppy seconds I have done, I just make sure she takes a shower and brushes her teeth first. Besides, you can cut out the mommy fee that way!
-SZE
Ace Gallant
06-18-07, 11:37
Do you think if there was no pussy here, any one of us would come back to China just to hang out?
We would find another spot to meet where there's pussies. But no pussies, no common ground to meet again.
That's the truth.
Why would we meet? What would we talk about? The old days? It's not like we are all living and working in one place.
Let's be realistic, we met and became friends over pussies.
Beside my friends know really what's in my heart. I give up a good looking pussy to a friend any time and be willing to do sloppy seconds. That's a monger's idea of friendship.
Bill
Bill,
I think you got it all wrong.
1) I am not in China because of Pussy (as what SZ said)
2) We met not because of pussy; we met because we wanted to make friends with common interest and this is achieved by meeting people from ISG.
3) After becoming friends, you still think pussies is more important than friendship?
4) There is life beyond fucking that pussy from the BBS. Are we to say that in life you do not have friends besides those that you met from ISG and to go out hunting for pussies together?
I have a few questions to asked you then;
1) Since pussy to you is more important than friendship; will you say if you were put into a position in which you will betray a friend just to get that pussy, you will do it?
2) Are you to say that you only come back to China because of the pussy? You do not care a dam about all these friends you made in China?
3) You only talk about pussies and nothing else when we meet?
I still think you are thinking with your little head after 2 weeks in China! My POV:
A monger's idea of friendship is not your definition of "I give up a good looking pussy to a friend any time and be willing to do sloppy seconds." There are very much more than that. Why do we hang out together? Just to see if anyone of us is interested in the same girl and do not mind having sloppy seconds?
We all know why we hang out together when doing the hunt; it is for security purpose. We are wolves, we hunt in pack, we will watch out for each other. Although a lot of us are experience enough to hunt alone but whenever possible, we still stay together so that we know that there will be someone watching your back while you are attacking the prey.
Although we joke and hit on each other all the time; but it is still much better than some member here who had spent their life, Antagonizing other members just to prove that they are better. Don’t you agree; the hits rates are much better if you hunt in pack?
Frankly I am a little disappointed by your respond but I brush it off that you had been brain washed by pussies juice in the last few weeks! I’ll stop this topic here as it is getting a bit off the main topic.
As usual:
Enjoy!
AG
One Wing Low
06-18-07, 16:36
Making selection of fully dressed-up girls is iffy in KTV and Yalan. You really dont know what they look like under all that clothing.
The mommies in Yalan were pulling out boobies and encouraging the guys to squeeze them. The Yalan girl the mommy 'gave' me did have a decent body but not the sexiest. Her face was pretty. She was nice and sweet. She was a better looking than the Huihoa/Humei KTV girls by a good margin.
I like the fishbowls in Thailand where girls in bikinis sit around inside a glass-walled rooms under good lighting. You can see clearly not only the faces but the bodies of the girls, so there are no surprise.
Or the girls should be in bikinis and circulate among the guests like in party houses in Europe. That would make the guests horny quickly.
Someone should suggest to the Chinese mafiosi in CP to spice up their operations a bit.
Neuromancer
06-18-07, 19:04
I would come because I am interested in the culture and history, but I certainly would not go to CP if it wasn't such a pussy paradise.
Sloppy seconds I have done, I just make sure she takes a shower and brushes her teeth first. Besides, you can cut out the mommy fee that way!
-SZEOk, slightly off topic I think. Remember a time I went with an Indian friend to a strip club in Taiwan. The special there was a NT1000 HJ ($30). Not cheap, but hey, prices in Taiwan are different than the prices in China. It was a reasonable price for Taiwan.
Basically, take you to a dark corner of the strip joint to jerk you off. They were very skilled, they could jerk you off in your pants with out messing the underwear. While she was jerking you off, you could watch the show (this place had some really good girl on girl shows).
Anyway, back to my original point. My Indian buddy went first (there were really only one or two girls who provided the "specials"). I went next. Remember asking the girl which hand she used to jerk off my buddy. In the end, it didn't really matter. I hadn't asked my buddy and even if I did, not sure if he would've remembered, as he was happy as a clam.
What's the point? No point really. But talk of sloppy seconds made me remember this experience.
Fun Lover King
06-18-07, 21:07
It'd be nice if the KTV girls in CP would dress like the Sauna girls there. The Sauna girls wear lace lingerie that goes from shoulder to ankles, and just panties underneath.
Or even better they can dress like the Sauna girls in Macau which is the same w/o the panties.
FLK
Making selection of fully dressed-up girls is iffy in KTV and Yalan. You really dont know what they look like under all that clothing.
The mommies in Yalan were pulling out boobies and encouraging the guys to squeeze them. The Yalan girl the mommy 'gave' me did have a decent body but not the sexiest. Her face was pretty. She was nice and sweet. She was a better looking than the Huihoa/Humei KTV girls by a good margin.
I like the fishbowls in Thailand where girls in bikinis sit around inside a glass-walled rooms under good lighting. You can see clearly not only the faces but the bodies of the girls, so there are no surprise.
Or the girls should be in bikinis and circulate among the guests like in party houses in Europe. That would make the guests horny quickly.
Someone should suggest to the Chinese mafiosi in CP to spice up their operations a bit.
But not 400 or more. Got there between 7 to 8 p.m.
Your idea of a stunner could be different from mine. I'll gone mostly to Yalan in my CP trips and found that the selection at KTV no better than Yalan. But that's just an opinion.
I used to be a KTV person when I first arrived here in my first 3 years but through the wisdom of Cronin (I miss him) and OAH, I have learned the ways of getting the same thrill without spending the big bucks. Beside, unlike some of yous, I don't have an expense account or are my trips here for business purposes.
Bill
Bill;
Usually if you get there in the beginning when they line up, there is usually atleast 100 more game to see.
You are correct, i am here on business (sometimes monkey business) and can charge some of these entertainment expenses off. I really prefer to be in the comfort of a nice ktv room while mommies parade their stock for me to review. Sometimes the mommies do go the extra mile and pull out body parts to show the true assets that they have for rent. I just prefer the hunt from a nice comfortable easy chair while being flanked by some warm babes.
If you are going to be around in later this summer when i come back to the motherland, join me on the hunt as my guest.
Life is a b*tch but sometimes you must take some time off and smell the roses and give the bill to the client.
best.
But not 400 or more. Got there between 7 to 8 p.m.
Your idea of a stunner could be different from mine. I'll gone mostly to Yalan in my CP trips and found that the selection at KTV no better than Yalan. But that's just an opinion.
I used to be a KTV person when I first arrived here in my first 3 years but through the wisdom of Cronin (I miss him) and OAH, I have learned the ways of getting the same thrill without spending the big bucks. Beside, unlike some of yous, I don't have an expense account or are my trips here for business purposes.
Bill
Bill;
Usually if you get there in the beginning when they line up, there is usually atleast 100 more game to see.
You are correct, i am here on business (sometimes monkey business) and can charge some of these entertainment expenses off. I really prefer to be in the comfort of a nice ktv room while mommies parade their stock for me to review. Sometimes the mommies do go the extra mile and pull out body parts to show the true assets that they have for rent. I just prefer the hunt from a nice comfortable easy chair while being flanked by some warm babes.
If you are going to be around in later this summer when i come back to the motherland, join me on the hunt as my guest.
Life is a b*tch but sometimes you must take some time off and smell the roses and give the bill to the client.
best.
But I won't be back until late Nov till early Jan. This trip is already planned for 50 days.
Bill
Bill;
Usually if you get there in the beginning when they line up, there is usually atleast 100 more game to see.
You are correct, i am here on business (sometimes monkey business) and can charge some of these entertainment expenses off. I really prefer to be in the comfort of a nice ktv room while mommies parade their stock for me to review. Sometimes the mommies do go the extra mile and pull out body parts to show the true assets that they have for rent. I just prefer the hunt from a nice comfortable easy chair while being flanked by some warm babes.
If you are going to be around in later this summer when i come back to the motherland, join me on the hunt as my guest.
Life is a b*tch but sometimes you must take some time off and smell the roses and give the bill to the client.
best.
Do a Google with his name and part of the quote and you'll find several hits on this statement attributed to him.
Bill
Moody,
The best quote I heard from a man on ISG was. I don't pay for sex, I pay women to leave. I forgot who wrote the post. Yes, I am self conscience when walking around town with a very young woman, but I / we allow our self to be used.
Tile man
I like the fishbowls in Thailand where girls in bikinis sit around inside a glass-walled rooms under good lighting. You can see clearly not only the faces but the bodies of the girls, so there are no surprise.
Or the girls should be in bikinis and circulate among the guests like in party houses in Europe. That would make the guests horny quickly.
Someone should suggest to the Chinese mafiosi in CP to spice up their operations a bit.
The major problem in Thailand is the success of the venues these days. Many of the top girls are too spoilt and it takes more money to get them motivated. Of course, there are exceptions and gems still to be discovered as with all places.
In many ways, CP has been rolling a little downhill these days with its own success. However, there are still a couple of good years before we have to move on to another venue.
In CP, with the right connection & the right KTVs, you can get the ladies in "see thrus" or in some cases all the clothes off in the KTV rooms. [Chang An in particular who specialize in Taiwanese have all the girls naked dancing with the guests because this is what these people like!]
Sometimes there are raids from the Cong Anns so this service I am told is only for the well-known clients and will obviously cost more than normal.
For me, I take what CP (and other parts of China) for what it does offer and other venues such as Thailand - Indonesia for what they are good at so that we enjoy different spices in different venues.
Ours, not to come and wish ourselves on the locals for what they are not!
Private parts too wide, like swimming in an ocean. Most if not all, had babies already.
Thank goodness for strong birth control practices in China.
Bill
Are our ISG friends more important than pussy? Friends are great, but we came here for the pussy, so I think the pussy is more important than our friends.
Is beer more important than pussy? Well, I'm an irish queer, so I think pussy is more important than beer.
As Bill recently reminded me, the walk of shame for the girl is walking through the lobby with Santa. Ho, ho, ho!
One Wing Low
06-19-07, 06:23
Thai girls say they dont like to date the toothpick dicks....
hehehehe
Private parts too wide, like swimming in an ocean. Most if not all, had babies already.
Thank goodness for strong birth control practices in China.
Bill
The walk of shame for the girl is to be walking with a customer through the lobby of the Hua Yu Hotel.
When we tell the girls that we're staying at the Miraton, they are all cheery. But when they hear Hua Yu Hotel, their mouth drops. Even the 15RMB drivers dropped their mouth. Damn!
OK, it's a joke. Don't flame me.
"Toothpick" Bill
As Bill recently reminded me, the walk of shame for the girl is walking through the lobby with Santa. Ho, ho, ho!
the back of Santa, scurrying out the entrance with the girl I have been eyeing on.
Of course, I have done the same to him. heheehehehe
"Toothpick" Bill
Are our ISG friends more important than pussy? Friends are great, but we came here for the pussy, so I think the pussy is more important than our friends
One Wing Low
06-19-07, 06:48
I never felt it because I feel young, like a kid all the time. So the girls and I are actually equal in most aspects. Fuck the jealous public!
The girls love to sample all the food at buffets. Every time I took them to the hotels' buffets, they were just delighted. They would eat like were starved for months. I took this KTV girl Ting Hua to the breakfast buffet at the Landmark hotel in SZ. She ate 4 heaping plates of food, a bowl of noodle soup, then 3 glasses of milk and juice. I dont know, for a little girl, where she stored all that food.
Naturally the guests were checking out this girl who posseses such a simple and natural beauty. The men were staring at her as she wondered around trying all kinds of different food. God, the breakfast buffet at the Landmark is excellent. The women would glance at her discreetly with envy. We were just 2 kids having a loving good time. She really felt like an innocent high-school sweetheart to me.
After breakfast, sex with her was even more passionate. She embraced me tightly and would not let me go...Seemed like she came a couple times. It really pays to offer the girls some food before sex. Dont just assume that they ate adequately.
In CP I was hanging around with Axa, a hot little girl. We would go everywhere for breakfast, lunch and dinner...and noone even seemed to notice. She would feed me the food with a lot of love and care, but occasionally she would look at her baby's pic in her phone. That made me feel very guilty of taking her away from her baby...
Went everywhere for 2 days with a KTV girl in Dongguan. Nobody even noticed.
There is nothing wrong with 2 people showing some love and care for each other. Walk of shame is when you walk around with old, ugly, angry, hateful women.
[QUOTE=Crazier]
[Chang An in particular who specialize in Taiwanese have all the girls naked dancing with the guests because this is what these people like!]
Sometimes there are raids from the Cong Anns so this service I am told is only for the well-known clients and will obviously cost more than normal.
>>>>
Are you refering to 'Chang An' as an area? There are only few clubs in Chang An that have the 'see-thru' outfit, and the girls do occationally strip and dance. But from what I know, they charge the same. No special charges.
CC1024
[QUOTE=Crazier]
[Chang An in particular who specialize in Taiwanese have all the girls naked dancing with the guests because this is what these people like!]
Sometimes there are raids from the Cong Anns so this service I am told is only for the well-known clients and will obviously cost more than normal.
>>>>
Are you refering to 'Chang An' as an area? There are only few clubs in Chang An that have the 'see-thru' outfit, and the girls do occationally strip and dance. But from what I know, they charge the same. No special charges.
CC1024
Sorry, I mean that in Chang An they provide this service as normal because of the Taiwanese. My friend tells me my regular taxi driver knows exactly which club etc etc but I have so far never found time (meaning motivation) to leave CP thus far!
and in CP, it's possible but I am told will require more money with the right contacts.
More money in CP terms usually means more "grease" in terms of tips for the mummies concerned etc.
Personally, I did go to one KTV in CP where I was told it was possible but ended up 'zero" because my communication was not good enough plus, I did not grease anybody extra too! (that's what I was told as an after fact by someone in the know)!
One Wing Low
06-19-07, 07:45
I was not impressed with Thai girls after a few visits the last few years. They seem to be hardened and show a lot of mileage; whereas Chinese girls seem fresher.
But last time I got a very beautiful girl in Bangkok for an allnighter. Her skin was smooth, soft and free of any blemish from head to toes. She turned the all nighter into a ST and slipped away quickly after the first shot. Shit. The cost was comparable to China.
Is Chang An near Chang Ping? Dancing with naked beautiful girls would be a nice past time between shots. I wanna look it up next time I am in CP.
The major problem in Thailand is the success of the venues these days. Many of the top girls are too spoilt and it takes more money to
In CP, with the right connection & the right KTVs, you can get the ladies in "see thrus" or in some cases all the clothes off in the KTV rooms. [Chang An in particular who specialize in Taiwanese have all the girls naked dancing
locals for what they are not!
I never felt it because I feel young, like a kid all the time. So the girls and I are actually equal in most aspects. Fuck the jealous public!
Its ok if they are only jealous but be careful those that plot to screw you out of you ATM cards and more, it has happened to more than one in CP and other venues. A discreet low profile is preferred by me.
The girls love to sample all the food at buffets. Every time I took them to the hotels' buffets, they were just delighted. They would eat like were starved for months. I took this KTV girl Ting Hua to the breakfast buffet at the Landmark hotel in SZ. She ate 4 heaping plates of food, a bowl of noodle soup, then 3 glasses of milk and juice. I dont know, for a little girl, where she stored all that food.
I never will forget the huge embarassment MongerX and I sufferred at breakfast at the Miraton one morning when he had this truly "monstrous huge racked" village maiden & we sat together.
She was running up and down the buffet table & returning with HEAPS of all sorts of food for him and her and even me! In fact she squealed "Wa, bu yao qian" in delight! Truly a sight the 3 of us sitting there - huge entertainment for the people around us!
Naturally the guests were checking out this girl who posseses such a simple and natural beauty. The men were staring at her as she wondered around trying all kinds of different food. God, the breakfast buffet at the Landmark is excellent. The women would glance at her discreetly with envy. We were just 2 kids having a loving good time. She really felt like an innocent high-school sweetheart to me.
It's all a matter of intepretation & perception because surely they did not come up to you to say they thought she was beautiful etc unless you are a mind reader.
I have asked a few people who sit with me when we observe the "kwei los" at hotel buffets with their "takeaways" and depending on how she dresses / acts etc, a range of verbal remarks would be like this,
"Stupid bastard, she's so ugly and obviously a ***** where the hell did he find her ?"
"Why the hell do they have to fuck them and feed them too? Can't they just fuck their *****s and keep them in the room?"
"If's funny, these "kwei los" really have a different sense of beauty, we think she is so ugly and there he is treating her as if she was a heaven sent beauty"
"She is a damm fucking *****! Why else would she be with him, if not for money!"
"I hate these bastards, they come to China to fuck our young women with their money."
"She is lovely and beautiful, I am going to find out where he found her and fuck her myself. And ask her why his cock is better than mine"
After breakfast, sex with her was even more passionate. She embraced me tightly and would not let me go...Seemed like she came a couple times. It really pays to offer the girls some food before sex. Dont just assume that they ate adequately.
My personal experience tells me that in the majority, the sex gets better the more they know you will reward them well financially. The more money on the table, the better they fake it and it becomes real. They do LOVE YOU AND THE PLEASURE THEY DERIVE FROM FUCKING YOU! Yes, orgasm can be brought about even if it's motivated by money.
In CP I was hanging around with Axa, a hot little girl. We would go everywhere for breakfast, lunch and dinner...and noone even seemed to notice. She would feed me the food with a lot of love and care, but occasionally she would look at her baby's pic in her phone. That made me feel very guilty of taking her away from her baby...
Went everywhere for 2 days with a KTV girl in Dongguan. Nobody even noticed.
There is nothing wrong with 2 people showing some love and care for each other. Walk of shame is when you walk around with old, ugly, angry, hateful women.
That is why we all come and spend our money in these places as CP. OUR personal experience and perception of that is how we see it. It does not matter how others see it because our world is OURS.
Just be careful because all sorts of eyes are watching and the CRIMINALS are part of your stage and audience including some of the girls too! Quite a few take our money and run off to Xindi Disco to feed their toy-boys their drugs and happy diet!
Is Chang An near Chang Ping? Dancing with naked beautiful girls would be a nice past time between shots. I wanna look it up next time I am in CP.
Its less than an hour's car ride away. If you have a regular seasoned taxi driver, he would know specifically which clubs to bring you too and wait for your return.
I have never been motivated enough to go cos I was told the quality of the looks are lesser than CP but, gems are there to be discovered everywhere.
Anybody want to split a ride from CP to GZ airport, arriving there at 12:00 p.m. this coming Friday?
Or take my driver back to CP or elsewhere?
PM for price and setup.
Bill
One Wing Low
06-19-07, 23:32
in chang ping, we were going to shopping areas to kill time during the day time. that time would have been much better spent at good strip shows. never make the mistake of taking the girls anywhere near shopping malls. you will waste a lot of time and money for nothing.
it's funny how chinese girls would be either very prudish, or very slutty, and never anything in between. i haven't heard of any strip show anywhere in china. i would much prefer the good old american strip shows all day while i recharge and reload my gun.
tijuana, mexico does offer this arrangement. between banging the chicas at $20-30 a pop, one can sit all day and all night in strip bars for the price of $3.50 beers. you can also do some serious [CodeWord118] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord118) or big game fishing in the day time besides the sex sport at night....
the guys in this china forum should try tijuana sometimes.
its less than an hour's car ride away. if you have a regular seasoned taxi driver, he would know specifically which clubs to bring you too and wait for your return.
looks are lesser than cp but, gems are there to be discovered everywhere.
I thought I had heard from locals that there are 'strip club' in CP, I will ask when I arrive in CP this weekend.
CC1024
Sorry, I mean that in Chang An they provide this service as normal because of the Taiwanese. My friend tells me my regular taxi driver knows exactly which club etc etc but I have so far never found time (meaning motivation) to leave CP thus far!
and in CP, it's possible but I am told will require more money with the right contacts.
More money in CP terms usually means more "grease" in terms of tips for the mummies concerned etc.
Personally, I did go to one KTV in CP where I was told it was possible but ended up 'zero" because my communication was not good enough plus, I did not grease anybody extra too! (that's what I was told as an after fact by someone in the know)!
I thought I had heard from locals that there are 'strip club' in CP, I will ask when I arrive in CP this weekend.
CC1024
CC, OWL,
Just so that you guys don't get misled, I am writing about KTVs where the girls take off their clothes with the mongers joining in too! The Taiwanese crowd like this kind of activity and usually, the travel agent - "guide" know which clubs - mummies can arrange this.
For a short cut, you could try chatting up one of the guys who work at SML the Taiwanese travel agency in the lobby of the Lucky Hotel. They bring in their Taiwanese groups and surely can put it together provided there is profit to be made.
None of this happens in the day time of course as most of the girls are catching up on their sleep or possibly with their toy-boys!
C.
One Wing Low
06-20-07, 02:37
Not that I need to be seduced...hehehe...I have instant erections every time I look at sexy female bodies...
But someone ought to show the chinese mafiosi and their girls how the girls at US strip shows could move ever so artfully and seductively to the music in strip clubs and enthralled their clients.
Instead of mommies rudely pulling out boobs to be test driven by potential johns, the girls could ever so gently, erotically and legally show off their sexy bodies...that could enhance the values and dignity of Chinese girls so much to the rest of the world in one stroke, and of course, could bring in much more revenue for the girls and China. I am talking about more and more strip bars need to be invested in and open up all over China. The Chinese Communist Party and its government should embrace this idea and start to develop it.
I, for one, am very sad that Chinese girls are being sold so rudely and cheaply by their mommies...
CC, OWL,
Just so that you guys don't get misled, I am writing about KTVs where the girls take off their clothes with the mongers joining in too! The Taiwanese crowd like this kind of activity and usually, the travel agent - "guide" know which clubs - mummies can arrange this.
For a short cut, you could try chatting up one of the guys who work at SML the Taiwanese travel agency in the lobby of the Lucky Hotel. They bring in their Taiwanese groups and surely can put it together provided there is profit to be made.
None of this happens in the day time of course as most of the girls are catching up on their sleep or possibly with their toy-boys!
C.
Not that I need to be seduced...hehehe...I have instant erections every time I look at sexy female bodies...
But someone ought to show the chinese mafiosi and their girls how the girls at US strip shows could move ever so artfully and seductively to the music in strip clubs and enthralled their clients.
Instead of mommies rudely pulling out boobs to be test driven by potential johns, the girls could ever so gently, erotically and legally show off their sexy bodies...that could enhance the values and dignity of Chinese girls so much to the rest of the world in one stroke, and of course, could bring in much more revenue for the girls and China. I am talking about more and more strip bars need to be invested in and open up all over China. The Chinese Communist Party and its government should embrace this idea and start to develop it.
I, for one, am very sad that Chinese girls are being sold so rudely and cheaply by their mommies...
OWL,
While some of us may subscribe to your wishful thinking, the reality is that China is still a communist country with a huge pride of its own nationhood.
Prostitution is perhaps tolerated as and where they want to allow it to happen. However, its not something they want to be famous for as a nation. Certainly not as a destination for world roving mongers.
Whatever you see and experience in China today happens because most of it caters to local and returning Chinamen needs, the "moneyed" and those with a will to throw it away for entertainment they seek.
As a foreigner in China, you can wish all you like but, the demands of the market dictates what you are going to get. Provided it is within the boundaries that the local & federal Cong An will tolerate.
Look what happened to Hainan (complete wipe out of the what was then the best mongering destination in China), in Shenzhen (public parade of *****s & mongers) and in Zhuhai (the Japanese incident). Even now, LHL is a mere shadow of its former "glory" when there was truly at least 500 nubile girls strutting their stuff down that street.
Its not that China is totally new to foreign visitors. An event such as the Canton Fair has been there for a long while and we know that providing sexy dancers and shows for foreigners is not in their priority.
Look around some of the "local-style" entertainment venues in CP area e.g. the Crown Prince Karaoke or Jiayi. There is no lack of will in terms of money thrown in to churn more business, throwing relatively big money to earn bigger returns.
Your want for a US - styled strip show is just not in the majority, nor do the strip style clubs produce a fraction of the sales they get in their lavish plush KTV clubs. What you are getting is market driven, believe it or not.
Just so that you guys don't get misled, I am writing about KTVs where the girls take off their clothes with the mongers joining in too!
C.
This happens at a lot of places. You just have to be willing to tip a little extra. A couple of months ago, one of my friend's regular girls stopped by room. She said she was leaving because the guys in the room she was in wanted all the girls to get naked and she left because she didn't want to do it. Just for the hell of it, I looked in, and it was true. Bunch of naked people were dancing around.
OWL,
The more I read your posts, the more I'm convinced you're clueless....
When you walk into a 5 star hotel restaurant with a hooker, none of the women are "glancing" over at your girl with envy. They're thinking, "thank God I don't have to do what she does for a living," or "I'll kill my husband if he ever does that and I hear about it." There's nobody thinking you're 2 kids having a good time. They're all thinking, "I wonder how much he's paying her." Jesus get a clue.
That and strip clubs in China???? You really don't know anything about Asian culture do you? Thailand has tons of strip clubs. How many of the patrons are natives? Not many. Korea's a democracy and it has tons of BBSes and KTV type places, but hardly any strip joints. Do you know why? I'm not going to explain, but it's the same reason a strip club would never do well in China. That and the fact that Beijing would never allow it.
Old Mean Dog
06-20-07, 04:22
OWL, I am glad to see you're posting again in the S. China forums, starting my days without reading your posts were becoming rather dull.
But someone ought to show the chinese mafiosi and their girls how the girls at US strip shows could move ever so artfully and seductively to the music in strip clubs and enthralled their clients.
- If you want USA Strip Bar style action.......Go back to the USA, China is China, not the USA. I get so fucking sick and tired of hearing laowai say China should do "this and that" like America or the jackoffs who ***** because they can't find anyone who speaks English.
I am talking about more and more strip bars need to be invested in and open up all over China. The Chinese Communist Party and its government should embrace this idea and start to develop it.
- Legitimizing the criminal element. Good idea, as Craizer said, I am sure the Communist Government will be all ears to those suggestions. Maybe you would like to present your ideas to them?
- Prostitution is for the local people, it has been around in China (and the rest of the world) for a long time. When a BBS is opened in China, do you think it will cater for Chinese men or Foreigners?
- Most local guys are to busy with work, life, to poor or to shy to have a full-time gf and since they are men, they turn to BBS's for relief. They don't need or want strip shows, seduction, or LT with these girls, they just want to take care of their personal needs and be gone. Most locals look down on these girls as it is, and you will normally never see a local parading up and down the street with a prostitute like the laowai and Hongers do.
- The best one you have come up with yet!
Instead of mommies rudely pulling out boobs to be test driven by potential johns, the girls could ever so gently, erotically and legally show off their sexy bodies...that could enhance the values and dignity of Chinese girls so much to the rest of the world in one stroke, and of course, could bring in much more revenue for the girls and China. I, for one, am very sad that Chinese girls are being sold so rudely and cheaply by their mommies.
I am laughing so hard, I think I soiled myself...
- Enhance the values and dignity of the Chinese girls? Did you forget, these girls are in prostitution? They turn to this due to lack of money, survival or because they feel it's a quick way to earn some scratch. 100's of strange men stick their dicks in them and pay them for their service...how dignified is that? Do you not think that other Chinese people look down on these girls and their current profession? You can dress them up anyway you like, but they are still prostitutes and will live with this stigma until they get out of this career field.
- Your very sad for the girls, yet you contribute to your "so called" dilemma by paying to fuck them? This makes you a hypocrite then. If this bothers you so much, stop going to the shops and quit spending your money on sex in China. Open a damn "halfway" house for BBS xiaojies who would feel more dignified dancing nude to music in front of 100's of strange men.
Not that I need to be seduced...hehehe...I have instant erections every time I look at sexy female bodies...
Which brand of "hard on" pills are you taking?
Dazed and confused, but with a big smile on my face,
-SZE
Crazier , I did read your post where you did counter-quote or advise "One Wing Low" on his post. I am sure most of us took your advise. I can see that you are maybe an Asian man , because in one earlier post , you said you are not a laowai. I did read some of your earlier post today and I found them all polite, interesting and informative. You , Sze , Ace, OAH and many more have good advise to offer, but you all you your own personallity. I like variety just like I like my women.
I am the one who stated this shit about walking in public with a young woman. I said that I was self conscience and also felt like a fool. This was only half the truth.
Most young and older Western men (not all) in China and other Asian countries are only there for cheap sex and young women , including me. Rich Chinese business men and Govt officials are doing the same. There is plenty to go around.
Several things that you said caught my eye. You hit my button.
You said, Quote Crazier:
I have asked a few people who sit with me when we observe the "kwei los" at hotel buffets with their "takeaways" and depending on how she dresses / acts etc, a range of verbal remarks would be like this,
#1 "Stupid bastard, she's so ugly and obviously a ***** where the hell did he find her ?"
#2 "Why the hell do they have to fuck them and feed them too? Can't they just fuck their *****s and keep them in the room?"
# 3 "If's funny, these "kwei los" really have a different sense of beauty, we think she is so ugly and there he is treating her as if she was a heaven sent beauty"
#4 "She is a damm fucking *****! Why else would she be with him, if not for money!"
#5 "I hate these bastards, they come to China to fuck our young women with their money."
#6 "She is lovely and beautiful, I am going to find out where he found her and fuck her myself. And ask her why his cock is better than mine"
This is the other half of my story why I don't like to take young women out in public. I don't like to flaunt my money or young women in front of Chinese men. The Chinese man can not see how big my wallet is but he can see my young cutie. Now what Crazier said in 1 through 6 confirms my thoughts. I am also 100% sure that Crazier's 1 through 6 does not comply to most Chinese men.
Don't kid yourself laowai's , a percentage of Chinese men really believe in Crazier's # 5 , they hate us the same way many white bigots years ago (in USA) hated to see a white woman with a black man. Crazier's remark , "Keep A Low Profile" should be well taken. It took me 4 trips to China to understand this. Trip #5 will be soon.
The only difference between China and the USA is , Chinese men blame the Laowai for being with his sister Chinese woman. years ago in the USA the white bigot blamed the white woman for being with a black man. A total 180 degree in thinking.
I have dated a few black women here in USA and I am proud to walk down the street with her. I really don't think that most USA people give a fuck anymore. I hope it doesn't take Chinese men 200 years to accept the white and black man fucking , dating and marring his Chinese sister.
Trust me laowai's , Crazier's #1 through #6 is being said every day about us. I will give you 3 examples.
1, I am walking out of KFC with my woman and her daughter. I get this from a young Chinese man maybe he in his 30,ies. He is with his GF. He called me a piece of shit in perfect English. I told him to go fuck himself in perfect Chinese. We both walk away.
2, I am alone one night in Nanning , I am at the market. I am sitting down minding my own business eating my watermelon. Yes , I am looking for pussy. I catch the eye of a man. He starts to laugh at me. He is maybe laughing at me because I don't have a woman , but he is thinking Crazier's #1 through #6. Trust me , he is thinking , another piece of Western shit stealing our women.
3, I am at the Nanning Airport , with my woman and her daughter again. We need a taxi to the City. The fair is always between 80 rmb and 100 rmb. The very first taxi man said 200 rmb. I say "ai yah hen gui" On no , its too expensive. He said , "ta ma da" Fuck you. Now my GF steps in , she is a fucking lunatic now.
Number one taxi man went to number 2 taxi man and said 200 rmb for these 3 assholes. The word went all the way up the line of the 100 Taxi's waiting for customers. This all happen in front of 4 Airport policemen or maybe they were Nanning policemen. They just stood there and laughed.
I only hoped that one Taxi man had the balls to break rank and give us a ride to the city for the 100 rmb. I would have given him a 200 rmb tip and told him to tell the other 99 assholes about the tip. We took the bus. Do you think this was greed or hatred towards the Western man. Remember Crazier's 1 through 6. especially #5. This was not greed.
There is a big sign leaving the Nanning Airport. It said, Treat your guest with respect and politeness. That sign needs to go up the mayor's ass.
I have maybe 10 more examples of this shit , but I don't want to bore you. I never look for trouble in the USA and for fucking sure , I will never and I have never looked for trouble in China. Only Pussy.
I will finish up by saying this. I see that Miami is the #1 most rude city in the USA, New York # 2 and Boston where I live is #3. I go to New York for business almost every week. I have never seen anyone laugh or insult a Chinese man with a white woman or any kind of different race dating insults. I wish that little fuck in front of KFC (Nanning) would come to New York and try calling everyone a piece of shit. He would never make it back to China.
I love China , the culture , and oh yes the women. yes , I do have some Chinese male friends there, they are great guys. But some of you other men that don't know the culture , language and the ropes of China. Take Crazier's advise or just read Crazier's 1 through 6. Keep a low profile and don't flaunt your money and women. China is a great country with great people , but don't go there and look for trouble. It will find you if you flaunt it.
Just have fun and walk away from the shit that I have told you about. you can't win. China is China and a great place to visit and enjoy. Your Country is your Country and never try to compare the two. I have always used the 10% factor in my life. 10% of the people in this world are assholes. USA ,UK , China , Thailand and so on. Just try to avoid the 10% and enjoy the beauty of the 90%.
Enjoy the pussy , food, stay safe and cool headed.
Tile Man
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Crazier , I did read your post where you did counter-quote or advise "One Wing Low" on his post. I am sure most of us took your advise. I can see that you are maybe an Asian man , because in one earlier post , you said you are not a laowai.
TM4,
I did read some of your posts too and they are very informative & shows that you have taken the trouble to understand local circumstances pretty well.
Where I come from, some people call me a "Banana"! Its not totally accurate, however, sometimes, it fits!
"Yellow outside & white inside"
In other words, pretty mixed up! The skin is pretty Chinese despite being tanned by the sun and the brain, a miss-mash of different things we learn along the way so that in the end, I can't describe it better than "all mixed up".
TM4,
Where I come from, some people call me a "Banana"! Its not totally accurate, however, sometimes, it fits!
"Yellow outside & white inside"
In other words, pretty mixed up! The skin is pretty Chinese despite being tanned by the sun and the brain, a miss-mash of different things we learn along the way so that in the end, I can't describe it better than "all mixed up".
same here...the correct term is probably "Jook Sing"
I get more asian as i get older.. just my pov
Neuromancer
06-20-07, 14:21
The only difference between China and the USA is , Chinese men blame the Laowai for being with his sister Chinese woman. years ago in the USA the white bigot blamed the white woman for being with a black man. A total 180 degree in thinking.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.I think a large part of the difference in "bigotry" is economic in nature. Folks in the US (especially in the major cities which you mentioned) wouldn't get worked up about a Chinese man flaunting a local white cutie because (1) it isn't very common and (2) while China is rapidly becoming wealthier, the US is still wealthier by far in general (GDP per head has got to be orders of magnitude higher. I think Guangzhou has the highest in China at about $10k/person, US is what $30k/person? )
If you had thousands of Japanese tourists picking up the creme of the local American crop, especially if they were mostly short, fat and balding, I would guess that the local American would start to get upset. Imagine any Asian tourist seen walking around with a 19 yr old cheerleader in the sticks of Mississippi or Alabama and you can imagine the sort of reaction he would get from the local population.
Ever heard the story of Vincent Chin? A Chinese American dude living in Detroit in the 70s. Went to a strip club for his bachelor party. Some out of work rednecks got pissed off at him flaunting his money, and that it was because of these damn Japs that they were out of work. They chased him down outside of the club and beat him to death with a baseball bat. Worse yet, they did no jail time (it was justifiable the judge reasoned). I realize that this was 30 years ago, but I really wouldn't be surprised if the economic situation returned to where the US was mired in a deep recession and some Asian country (whether China, Japan) was suddenly the new economic power, that the supposed "enlightened" America regresses a bit.
You have to realize that most Chinese people do not like us. They see us as fat, rich and spoiled foreigners coming to their country to take their women, to buy things that they can not afford.
Think back in the 90s when the Japanese came to the U.S. and purchased up all the properties. Everyone was up in arms and want to pass a bill to stop our famous properties from being bought up by the Japanese. But then the stock market in Japan fell hard and they went away. We did not love the Japanese in our country at that time. This is the same way the Chinese look at us. Most of us are running around with girls half our age, can not talk to them in Chinese (most of us) so it is very clear to the average Chinese what these girls are. Do you expect them to love us for doing what we do.
They all think we are very rich and should pay more for everything because we have money. You will see this in all third countries. You are not going to change their minds on how they feel about you.
I just try to keep a low profile and not to lose my temper (it is very hard to do sometimes). Walk away from anything that you feel is not good for you. Just say to yourself, I don't care what you think about me. It is the only thing you can do because they will not change for you. This is China, they don't change their view for anyone. You have to just roll with it otherwise you will not have a good time here.
Cloud Palms
06-20-07, 17:34
Great post and advice. That was pretty rough what happened with the taxis and on the street. Though that still does happen in America like if by chance I am walking with a white woman then people will be like "Hey whats that cute girl doing with that dorky little chinaman"
Perhaps one day when women of other cultures find Chinese men desirable, then Chinese guys will not care.
Great post and advice. That was pretty rough what happened with the taxis and on the street. Though that still does happen in America like if by chance I am walking with a white woman then people will be like "Hey whats that cute girl doing with that dorky little chinaman"
Perhaps one day when women of other cultures find Chinese men desirable, then Chinese guys will not care.The bus ride was great Cloud , it was no big deal with the taxi problem.
I now have a 25 year old from nanning who speaks perfect English. She also is a good Chinese teacher. She will go anywhere with me. She is a great help. The money that I pay her , I save in aggrevation. When I tell her to go away , she goes and gives me my privacy.
She has so many GF's , in Nanning and Guangzhou. She can help you have fun and save you from some of this shit that I went through.
My Friend in Calif. will use her soon in China. But , she will help any of you if she is free. All the women I go with in the USA are sluts for free. Chinese women like to make money. A **** and a prostitute is one in the same. I think the one who makes money is smarter.
I am sure that you are not a dork Cloud , Good luck and be safe.
Tile man
Just relax and enjoy yourselves as not everyone is gonna like you real or imagined. This too will get squashed down to a more low key environment. I was having dinner with a white friend in SZ, just the two of us then as my white friend was passing by a chinese couple eating to go to a separate area to smoke the guy says in chinese "I hate Americans". My friend just blew it off. Incidently growing up in San Francisco I justed dated white women which was no big deal but of course nothing is a big deal in San Francisco. Lastly, I'm ancient and I get stared at in restaurants but especially Starbucks when I treat out a young women. But I don't care.
Mock A Bee
06-21-07, 04:28
Basically, many Chinese men feel very frustrated because their own country has failed them by not offering them the education and jobs to be able to be financially and socially secure. Women of course are looking for this kind of security. Times have changed in the last decade or so, but there are many millions of Chinese who are left in the dust because they have not changed with the times for one reason or another. I am sure we all know that China has basically turned on a dime and made an about face from a planned economy to a market economy. This has basically made their heads spin.
The aftermath is, they see these lao wai’s "scoop up their women” and offer them what they currently can’t. China is catching up for lost time, and many simply can’t keep up. Lao wai’s are an easy target and these guys are frustrated.
For Chinese women, sure there are Lao Wai’s who can offer an instant comfortable lifestyle, and if you are an expat with a decent job in China, you are most likely making orders of magnitude more than the average Chinese citizen. I remember several years ago a Chinese co-worker who said about her female Chinese colleague about to marry a Lao wai saying "all we want is to have a comfortable lifestyle".
It is simply this - women have the right anatomy, and there are not too many gay Chinese men out there, though they benefit from finding Lao wai boyfriends too (I know a gay American with a Chinese partner). It is simply much easier for a Chinese woman to get hooked up with a Lao wai or local Chinese guy. There are not too many local Chinese guys getting hooked up with Lao wai women, though it happens. I know at least three Lao wai women who married local.
Here is a joke: Why do men speak with women? Because women have a vagina!
Jealousy is evil, and in time this will pass.
MAB
One Wing Low
06-21-07, 06:34
First of all, I dont profess to be an expert in all things China. I made a few visits to China, with the valuable help with a few fellow mongers, I had a great time. Since I dont speak or understand Chinese, I threw out a lot of the facts that I observed, and wait for some interpretations from the forum to understand China and Chinese better.
Regarding doing what Romans do in Rome, I have to say my Chinese hosts were generous with the KTV girls. They seemed to get along great without confrontations and headaches with the girls. My Chinese host gave my KTV girl 100RMB tip on top of what I already gave her. They also tipped the mamasan, waiters, machine girls etc... Everyone was smiling afterwards.
I took the KTV girls to the hotels' buffets because I wanted them to have good choices of food. I did not want to show them off. I was very happy that they really enjoyed the food. The girls acted naturally and beautifully in the buffets without any indication of self consciousness.
There were a lot of young, single Chinese technocrats guys at the Felicity's buffet. Their reactions were those of admiration of the beauty of this young girl. The large crowd of Chinese and other Asian tourists in the hotel lobby never noticed us. There was a Caucasian woman, sitting with 3 guys at the Felicity's buffet restaurant, was staring at us while my girl was wondering around trying all different sorts of food. I gave her a 'fuck you' stare back. She relented.
The hotel staffs at the Landmark, Felicity in SZ and the Huihua and Miraton in CP, knew the girls were KTV materials, but they treated them with grace and courtesies according guests. They acted with professional manners or I would have corrected them. I have to give them good credit for that. These girls were my guests. Anyone insulting them would have serious problems with me.
The Sheraton Dongguan KTV girls were taking us shopping in local malls where their families and friends shop and work. She asked me not to hug and kiss her when she gave me the signal etc...Otherwise everything was cool.
I ran into an older American guy in SZ, casually walking around with one of the most beautiful young Chinese girls. They seemed to be in a permanent relationship. This girl was just so pretty I wished I had met her.
I was going around a lot of places in SZ with young college graduates on my arms. I was hugging and kissing them many times in clubs and in public. I am just a very affectionate guy. The locals never seemed to notice us. Everything was cool. The girls never felt they were disrespected. In fact, they kept asking me to go out again when I come back to SZ.
I know a successful American business guy who married an Asian girl not too much younger than he. They live in China half time. When they go out, a lot of the working-class women would assume she was a prostitute. They would whisper asking her how much money she got out of him a night. After a while they stopped feeling offended by the ignorance of common people.
So, what's the conclusion? I would take my female Chinese companions anywhere in China. I never felt any potential problems. I enjoyed every minute of it.
Hi friend,
Just a small question. About 15 days ago, I was in CP and I had a beautifull time. One day, walking in some street, I saw a pharmacy window the publicity of viagra, I never used them but I was very curious and I asked to the pharmacist. Unfortunately he didin't speak english and after some misundertanding I understood that he suggested me to buy another pills, Aisenwer that probabily is a china viagra. I bought 3 box (it is very cheap) but till now I have no the courage to try it becasue I am not sure about the effect of this pills. Someones know them? They work? In the box there is also the instructions for use but they are in chianese and I do not understand any china words and also them internet site is in china. (www.maidesen.com) . Somebody can give me some suggestion?
Ciao
I have been to Miraton sauna once their talent and service is not as good as New Century or Hui Mei , the room at New Century is larger with steam room in the bath room try the 2 girl spiecal 268 rmb for the room and 300 rmb tip for the girl.
Fast eddie 48It is probably 268 for the room, 300 + 100 for the 2 girls.
Post by Bill Lee: ......while I picked a cute little Hunan babe. She said that she was 20. Their picks were some that you didn't mind walking in the street with while my pick made me felt that I was with my daughter.
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I too don't like walking down the street with a 20 years old. .........Older Chinese men have face if they are out with a 20 year old. Myself , being with a young woman alone is OK. But not going out with her.......
Tile manAlthough I look like 30 something, but I'm close to 50. I, too feel somewhat embarassing walking with 18-20 years old MM. I must confess that I always lie to them about my age.
Old Mean Dog
06-22-07, 02:48
Hi friend,
Just a small question. About 15 days ago, I was in CP and I had a beautifull time. One day, walking in some street, I saw a pharmacy window the publicity of viagra, I never used them but I was very curious and I asked to the pharmacist. Unfortunately he didin't speak english and after some misundertanding I understood that he suggested me to buy another pills, Aisenwer that probabily is a china viagra. I bought 3 box (it is very cheap) but till now I have no the courage to try it becasue I am not sure about the effect of this pills. Someones know them? They work? In the box there is also the instructions for use but they are in chianese and I do not understand any china words and also them internet site is in china. (www.maidesen.com) . Somebody can give me some suggestion?
Ciao
The Viagra that is sold in most legit pharmacies is the real deal, but is rather expensive. Never buy it from the snack shops or magazine booths as these are almost all fake.
I did an experiment (i.e. me taking various pills) with the Chinese alternatives and reported about it in the Shenzhen thread some time ago. Some worked, some did not and some had MAJOR side effects. Another member reported later that some of these pills are placebo's that are sprayed with a chemical that is banned in the USA to give the effects of Viagra, but that is very dangerous.
I have never heard, or have taken the brand you purchased so, I cannot comment on them. Since you bought them from a legit pharmacy, you could try taking half the recommended dosage to see if they have any affect before throwing back the whole pack.
-SZE
I have mongered over the years in Bangkok, Hong Kong, Pattaya, Shanghai, Taipei, Shenzhen, Macaua amongst other locations. Last night was my first night in CP.
I will say that the quality of the girls is first rate. I understand a bit of Mandarin and am able to communicate on a basic level so the abscence of English speaking skills is not a problem.
Upon arriving in CP, I showered and headed out of the Miraton hotel. Upon arriving at the Hu Mei area, I was grabbed by a mamma who took me to a locked down shop. The mamma was quite agressive and did not want me to leave after just looking. They became so agressive, I decided to select from their stock. I took away two beauties that were each about 20 years old. One was slim, tall and agressive from Guangdong and the other shorter, plumper and more passive but playful. She was from Guanxi. Upon arriving at my room we showered and began playing. They alternated giving me bbj and then we alternated fucking. After fucking each of them for about 20 mins. , I was unable to cum and the girls needed rest. After a short rest and another shower, I got into a dogggy position so the plump girl could lick my balls while the slim cutie (and a bit slutty) girl did a nice bbj. After I was hard again, the slutty girl grabbed me and began banging me, and I after about 20 minutes, I shot and sent them kindly on their way. 450 RMB shorter, but fully satisfied, I relaxed and followed up on emails for a couple of hours.
I, unfortunately, did not realize the timing issue in CP and headed out late in the evening for the second round. At about 10: 30, I tried to go to the KTV in the Miraton, but was told that they had no "bar" area. So, I hit the road. It was about 11 pm and the touts and the mammas on the main road were quite agressive. Grabbing my arm and simply not letting go. I went to one shop where they locked the door. There were only three girls there and I was not interested. The mamma, however, would not unlock the door and I almost had to fight my way out. Once out in the alley beside the Hu Mei, I did not see any open shops or mammas. Given what I have read here, that seems a bit strange
Once back on the main drag, the excessive agressiveness continued, much to the amusement of locals walking by. I was repeatedly grabbed by female touts trying to strong arm me to a nearby van full of cuties. After awhile, I sensed that the van girls were the only available. I tried to go with a couple of mammas, but when I decided to look further, they were overly agressive and once again attracting to much attention on the street for my taste. Holding onto my arms and legs as I tried to walk away after politely telling then I was not interested. Eventually, I gave in to a van mamma and to a sweet, cutie from Hubei that was slim and petite. And inexperienced and passionless. I sent her away after spending an hour trying to arouse her, and then simply pounding away on an inexperienced young lady that also had no inclination to bbj. It was inexpensive, however, at 200 rmb for the whole experience. And the girl was a knockout.
All in all, I liked the quality of the girls last night. Even the fish was nice, and her pussy was so tight it made up for her inexperience at least a modicum. But, my first day observations is that the mammas are a bit agressive for my taste. I also sense there has been a recent crackdown due to all the van activity rather than shop activity. Also, the KTV's seem to be where the action is and that is a difficult arena for a solo to ply. If any expereienced CP'er can comment, I would be appreciative.
Tonight, I want to try the night market if I can find it or one of the hotels with the bbs in a room set up. The search function has not been working on the site for a day or so, so if anyone can give any guidance other than biz cards on how to get to the night market from the Miraton (I don't have a printer to print out the biz card) that would be great. Although I am going to take some more time to page through the forum (this Dongguan thread is long) and see if I can get guidance without the search function.
Anyway, I went through about 8 condoms with the three girls yesterday, so I had fun. I will, say, however, that the agressiveness on the street is a bit off-putting to me.
I will try to report my experiences today at a later time.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Hi friend,
saw a pharmacy window the publicity of viagra, he suggested me to buy another pills, Aisenwer that probabily is a china viagra. I bought 3 box (it is very cheap)
CiaoExcept for MM that are dirt cheap in China, I do not buy the cheap stuff from China, especially food and medicine. Rather be safe than sorry. You can get viagra from Canada for less than $4 a pill, why take a chance?
Ace Gallant
06-24-07, 05:06
I have mongered over the years in Bangkok, Hong Kong, Pattaya, Shanghai, Taipei, Shenzhen, Macaua amongst other locations. Last night was my first night in CP.
I will say that the quality of the girls is first rate. I understand a bit of Mandarin and am able to communicate on a basic level so the abscence of English speaking skills is not a problem.
450 RMB shorter, but fully satisfied, I relaxed and followed up on emails for a couple of hours.
Once back on the main drag, the excessive agressiveness continued, much to the amusement of locals walking by. I was repeatedly grabbed by female touts trying to strong arm me to a nearby van full of cuties. After awhile, I sensed that the van girls were the only available. I tried to go with a couple of mammas, but when I decided to look further, they were overly agressive and once again attracting to much attention on the street for my taste. Holding onto my arms and legs as I tried to walk away after politely telling then I was not interested. Eventually, I gave in to a van mamma and to a sweet, cutie from Hubei that was slim and petite. And inexperienced and passionless. I sent her away after spending an hour trying to arouse her, and then simply pounding away on an inexperienced young lady that also had no inclination to bbj. It was inexpensive, however, at 200 rmb for the whole experience. And the girl was a knockout.
I will try to report my experiences today at a later time.
As a newbie, I can't blame you for overpaying; but if you RTFF more, you would have known that 450 for your first session is overpaying by 150 if you take those girls from the BBS in the building next to Miraton Hotel. The normal rate is 150 each. So you could have had 3 girls.
Also the price of the girls from the BBS behind Hui Mei is 150 for non-foreigner looking mongers and 200 if they smell those money you have in your pockets.
As I had posted, the number of BBS from the alley behind Hui Mei had deduced from 7 - 10 to about only 5. That place had been raided often and now most of the BBS are on wheels. The going rates of girl in Mobile BBS (Vans) are 150 for ST and 400 for LT.
Normally if you are late in CP, you either have to do with leftovers or sloppy seconds. Night Market open up at around 1030 and again if you hit weekends, the stock get taken up very fast. I was there a few weeks ago on a Friday evening at 12am and there were only old hecks left.
Enjoy CP!
AG
It's that side street on the left, along the main road going to Yalan from Miraton. It's the opposite side of the road, about 30 feet before a hospital on the right side. At night, the hospital sign has an orange like glow to it.
In the last three weeks, I have been there with 3 different mongers at different times and days of the night. Quality and quantity varied each night. The Li Hua hotel is located directly across from the shops. The Li Hua Hotel is the bottom red star on the map. The hotel is now closed. At the end of road is a park, where I have been told and have seen free lancers working inside the park.
I would say that it's a good 20 minute walk from the Hui Mei and another 10 minutes will get you to the Yalan.
I know you don't have a printer but attached is a map to give you the head up on directions.
Just curious, with so much mongering in China, why so little posts?
Bill
Tonight, I want to try the night market if I can find it or one of the hotels with the bbs in a room set up. The search function has not been working on the site for a day or so, so if anyone can give any guidance other than biz cards on how to get to the night market from the Miraton (I don't have a printer to print out the biz card) that would be great. Although I am going to take some more time to page through the forum (this Dongguan thread is long) and see if I can get guidance without the search function.
Anyway, I went through about 8 condoms with the three girls yesterday, so I had fun. I will, say, however, that the agressiveness on the street is a bit off-putting to me.
I will try to report my experiences today at a later time.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
[QUOTE=Softy] The mamma was quite agressive and did not want me to leave after just looking. They became so agressive, I decided to select from their stock.
the mammas on the main road were quite agressive. Grabbing my arm and simply not letting go. I went to one shop where they locked the door. There were only three girls there and I was not interested. The mamma, however, would not unlock the door and I almost had to fight my way out.
I tried to go with a couple of mammas, but when I decided to look further, they were overly agressive and once again attracting to much attention on the street for my taste. Holding onto my arms and legs as I tried to walk away after politely telling then I was not interested. Eventually, I gave in to a van mamma
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The reason the mommies are agressive is because the behavior is rewarded.
The price in that area is 150rmb for one girl. You can easily get 2 girls for 250 rmb.
That's the reason I led the boycott against Sandy's place. She sat on my chest for several minutes and wouldn't let me out. Fuck her, now she and other mommies from the second floor shop are suffering when I'm there with my other fellow mongers.
You got to let these mommies know what you want and not what they want.
Needless to say, you know that other mommies such as Jojo are feeling the effect. Sandy continues to yell shit across the street at me. God fucking knows what she's screaming about.
By going to Sandy's shop now, you're rewarding her. Especially for her surprise French kissing which only some low life would enjoy.
I practice what I preach. (well most of the time).
Bill
The reason the mommies are agressive is because the behavior is rewarded.
But we need to understand the reason for the bad behavior. The mommies become aggressive because WE reward and reinforce the behavior.
Softy, in his report, inadvertantly reinforced the behavior twice.
This is the same reason beggers become very persistent and aggressive. Some of us say no, no, no, and then, after being followed and aggressively provoked for five minutes, finally give them some money just to get them to go away. One guy reported that he was beaten by beggers on TongRen Lu in Shanghai and needed sixteen stitches to his head.
OldAsiaHand
06-24-07, 14:49
I support Bill's boycott of Sandy's shop. The last time I walked by there I told her as much. I was there when she started that bullshit on Bill, albeit I was on my way out the door and did not realize that she continued with it. She has pulled the same bullshit on me to the point where I never sit down in the shop. The french kissing is disgusting especially when you look at her and, she tries to bite you, as well. Since she failed to deliver on a BBBSCIM promise with one of her girls before, I've never trusted her again. Frankly, the quality in that place has declined dramatically and Lily is no longer there with her harem of top notch service providers. There are plenty of other venues in Yalan that we are not missing much staying on the ground floor.
Just my POV.
OAH
That's the reason I led the boycott against Sandy's place. She sat on my chest for several minutes and wouldn't let me out. Fuck her, now she and other mommies from the second floor shop are suffering when I'm there with my other fellow mongers.
You got to let these mommies know what you want and not what they want.
Needless to say, you know that other mommies such as Jojo are feeling the effect. Sandy continues to yell shit across the street at me. God fucking knows what she's screaming about.
By going to Sandy's shop now, you're rewarding her. Especially for her surprise French kissing which only some low life would enjoy.
I practice what I preach. (well most of the time).
Bill
OldAsiaHand
06-24-07, 14:55
When I was last at the night market, we got some pretty nasty stares from some local mongers. The girls were friendly enough, but these guys seemed to think we should not be there and made some comments about it. We decided it best to split emptyhanded.
I suggest that laowai mongers take along a local or ethnic Chinese wingman to avoid unnecessary trouble.
Just my POV.
OAH
It's that side street on the left, along the main road going to Yalan from Miraton. It's the opposite side of the road, about 30 feet before a hospital on the right side. At night, the hospital sign has an orange like glow to it.
In the last three weeks, I have been there with 3 different mongers at different times and days of the night. Quality and quantity varied each night. The Li Hua hotel is located directly across from the shops. The Li Hua Hotel is the bottom red star on the map. The hotel is now closed. At the end of road is a park, where I have been told and have seen free lancers working inside the park.
I would say that it's a good 20 minute walk from the Hui Mei and another 10 minutes will get you to the Yalan.
I know you don't have a printer but attached is a map to give you the head up on directions.
Just curious, with so much mongering in China, why so little posts?
Bill
Pointpanic
06-24-07, 19:52
Just finished wonderful six days in CP. Met Bill Lee, Santa and Reader 123. They were great "hosts" in leading me astray. The Bill Lee guided tour of Yalan was the best tour that I have been on. The ISG forum has a great value in helping us find the top quality for the best prices. Thanks guys for your help.
I was in Chang Ping a week ago and stayed at the Lai Shing Holiday Resortel. It is not close to much action that I know of, but has a nice KTV. I will write about it later.
Does anyone know of a better Hotel? I can speak basic Mandarin, but like a Hotel with English channels on TV.
BambooSnake
06-25-07, 03:26
Was in CP late last year with a golf trip from HK..looking forward to a re-visit at the end of july and will be solo so would like to hook up with CP regulars if possible.
My trip last year was purely bunch of guys into Hui Mei KTV sit with girls singing and dice then up stairs for LT. Service was excellent with good GFE. Shower with full wash down and BBJ then onto the bed for several sessions in all positions..very nice. Golf was not so good though.
See you in July,
Snake
As a newbie, I can't blame you for overpaying; but if you RTFF more, you would have known that 450 for your first session is overpaying by 150 if you take those girls from the BBS in the building next to Miraton Hotel. The normal rate is 150 each. So you could have had 3 girls.
Also the price of the girls from the BBS behind Hui Mei is 150 for non-foreigner looking mongers and 200 if they smell those money you have in your pockets.
As I had posted, the number of BBS from the alley behind Hui Mei had deduced from 7 - 10 to about only 5. That place had been raided often and now most of the BBS are on wheels. The going rates of girl in Mobile BBS (Vans) are 150 for ST and 400 for LT.
Normally if you are late in CP, you either have to do with leftovers or sloppy seconds. Night Market open up at around 1030 and again if you hit weekends, the stock get taken up very fast. I was there a few weeks ago on a Friday evening at 12am and there were only old hecks left.
Enjoy CP!
AG
Softy, in his report, inadvertantly reinforced the behavior twice.You are correct. CP is a different animal altogether. I can see why so many of the posters in this thread monger as a group now!! I kind of felt I was in an otherworldly place with its own rules. While every mongering destination has these and I am a long time China visitor, CP seems to have its own pace, expectations, and behavior. I am now the wiser, thans to Santa, Ace and you Bill. Thanks a bunch.
My second night in CP...
I woke up late and missed the buffet at the Miraton. So, I headed across the street to the to the coffee shop for breakfast.
After reinforcing my strength, I came back to the hotel to happily find ISG back online and/or my internet accessibility restored. I read the forum for some additional advice on my experiences and decided that the game in CP is one that must be played with a bit more agression. That agression paid off.
My first venture out of the hotel at 5 pm was to the Jia Mei hotel where I visited a room on the 5th floor I believe - a man was waiting outside to guide one there. There were about 18, fresh from the farm girls in the room - none of which appealed to me. I politely bowed out with apologies, turned and headed out from the room without giving a chance for a grab.
Once upon the street again, I was approached by a mamma who took my down the infamous alley to a locked up room at street level. Again, not seeing anyone who I wised to have with me, I again, tried to bow out gracefully. Well, the mommies became agressive and I simply shrugged them off agressively and headed for the back door (I assumed there was a back door from my experience the previous day). Alas, the backdoor was there with a simple bolt lock and I was out on the street again in the alley directly behind the Hu Mei.
Once out on that alleyway, I was approached by a humble woman wanting to know if I wanted massage. I said yes, and she guided me around the alley to the bbs alley and showed me into another locked door. Again, the girls were a little plump and farm like for me and I politely declined. She politely accepted and walked out with me whereupon she asked if she could take me to an alternative location. Since she was nice, I agreed. We proceeded down the alley to the end by the Lion hotel, made a left, walked about two blocks to a small hotel on the corner. There was another mommy in the small lobby with about three questionable looking men. The two mommies took me to the 7th floor I believe where there was a room with about a dozen girls Each of the girls looked to be about 19 to 20 years old, fresh from the farm, but not very shy and very playful.
I choose the tallest one in the room, gave the mommy 50 and took the girl to my room at the Miraton. She was awesome, but after about 1.5 hours of playing, bbj, and fucking, I failed to come. She felt guilty, I gave her 100, she took my phone number and promised to make it up - which I did not believe.
Once out of my room, I fortified myself in the Berlin cafe at the hotel and headed out again. It was about 9 pm and I intended to make it over to the night market. I did not make it far after leaving the Miraton before I saw a lovely, tall (about 5'8") obviously northern girls standing outside of the van. We made eye contact, she smiled, I walked over to her and was promptly grabbed by a mommy. It did not take me long to negotiate the mommy down to 50 from 100, I took the girl and off we went. Unfortunately, I was overcome by the silky white skin and height of this northern lovely and did not guage her personality well (a normal must for me). She was a very inexperienced cold fish who refused bbj (once again, I was too hasty to confirm this). I finally tried banging her, but after 40 minutes or so lost interest.
By this time, I am concluding that my week in China and nightly fucking had drained me and I was unable to muster an orgasm. I sent the lovely on her way, although I did pay her 100 rmb. Not too long later, the first girl of the day rings my mobile, and she is in my room 10 minutes later. Another shower (my third of the day, LOL) and off to bed we went. Try as she might, and she did try, I again failed to cum. After about two hours, I simply decided I needed rest, and the girl, feeling guilty, was willing to leave without compensation. I gave her 50 rmb for her failed efforts (I was damned surprised she came back) and she was off.
After sleeping, I was off to HK for some Sunday Laguna action.
My conclusions about CP thus far is that it is primarily a KTV action town with the bbbs action for the overflow of chicks. I did not sample the KTV action because I was there alone. I did not sample the suana action because I get enough of that in areas where suanas are the only action outside of KTV. I also did not get to Yalan, the Swan Lake or the catacombs. But the area around the Hu Mei, which is what I sampled, is one that requires a bit more cunning, a bit more bravery, and more negotiation skills in Mandarin than most might be accustomed to. So, my advice is to try to find some regulars or a native for your first trip, or take really careful notes from this forum before arriving.
Cheers to the great posters in this thread!!
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Hey Guys:
Thanks for all of the replies.
As a newbie, I can't blame you for overpaying; but if you RTFF more, you would have known that 450 for your first session is overpaying by 150 if you take those girls from the BBS in the building next to Miraton Hotel. The normal rate is 150 each. So you could have had 3 girls.Yeah, I realized that when doing it. In my few posts on the forum, I have managed to get into debates twice regarding overpaying by others. My breakdown was 100 to the mommy and 150 each to the girls. I realize it should have been 50/100. I did not mind much because the girls stayed about 3 hours. I also probably overpaid for the girl later that night.
By the next day, I was more comforatble with the scene in CP and paid market without a problem. I was just a bit overwhelmed by the agressiveness of the mommies, and as Bill mentioned, probably reinforced that behavior. I was also a bit uncomfortable with the surroundings, not certain whether there were enforcers near by, but by the second night was much more comfortable.
As I had posted, the number of BBS from the alley behind Hui Mei had deduced from 7 - 10 to about only 5. That place had been raided often and now most of the BBS are on wheels. The going rates of girl in Mobile BBS (Vans) are 150 for ST and 400 for LT.I missed that post. Normally, I reinforce my hinting information by double checking the board thoroughly upon arriving at a destination. Between connectivity problems at the Miraton and some ISG problem this weekend, I was not able to do my normal scouring. That information is helpful, and would have encoraged me to move on over to the Yalan area - which I did not visit. CP is a very different area than normal hunting grounds for me, and it was an interesting and informative weekend.
Thanks for the valuable feedback.
Just curious, with so much mongering in China, why so little posts?
BillBill:
Good question. I have posted a few times in the HK and Ningbo forum. I try not to post unless I have something new to add that has not already been posted or have some observations that seem differ. Such as in CP.
BTW, I enjoyed CP and think that I need to pony up the 20 bucks for the I'm feature in order to hook up with some pros for CP mongering. CP.compared to HK, Macau, Bangkok, Shanghai, Pattaya, and other places. Is definitely a place that street knowledge is very valuable.
Thanks for your feedback.
This quote/statement actually came from Santa.
Bill
Originally Posted by Bill Lee
Softy, in his report, inadvertantly reinforced the behavior twice.
Hey Guys:
Thanks for all of the replies.
I was just a bit overwhelmed by the agressiveness of the mommies, and as Bill mentioned, probably reinforced that behavior.
BTW, I enjoyed CP and think that I need to pony up the 20 bucks for the I'm feature in order to hook up with some pros for CP mongering.
.
Softy. I tried to send you a private message and was unable to. That angered me! But I felt I needed to ask you not to reward bad behavior and not to overpay, ect. I hope you are not offended, this post not intended to do so.
There are better places to monger in China with a lot less hassle, especially for white guys who do not speak very good chinese. These cheap CP girls are generally low quality and give bad service, and CP is a rather dirty and uninteresting town.
Please send me a PM when you have a membership.
So who's in town now??? Roll call???
Ace Gallant
06-25-07, 08:46
i support bill's boycott of sandy's shop. the last time i walked by there i told her as much. i was there when she started that bullshit on bill, albeit i was on my way out the door and did not realize that she continued with it. she has pulled the same bullshit on me to the point where i never sit down in the shop. the french kissing is disgusting especially when you look at her and, she tries to bite you, as well. since she failed to deliver on a bbbscim promise with one of her girls before, i've never trusted her again. frankly, the quality in that place has declined dramatically and lily is no longer there with her harem of top notch service providers. there are plenty of other venues in yalan that we are not missing much staying on the ground floor.
just my pov.
oah
i think i was one of the earlier guys who got close to been raped by sandy. oah, wadman and a few of the guys were there in her previous shop; the large bbs just behind yalan hotel. you guys saw her pinned me down to the couch and started unzipping my pants right before all the girls and none of you guys came to the rescue! :d and ever since than, she would ran over to grab me whenever she caught the sight of me in yalan area. never fails to try and kiss me right in my mouth! yucks!!! i lost count of how many times she had tried to do the same thing as what she had did to me in the big bbs. pinning me down to the couch and trying to unzip my pants! it was not until i gave her an stern warning did she stopped and the kissing part did not!
however; i must give credits to her that she is one of the only 2 mamas who had never failed to give me my preference of girls, never failed to make sure the less experience of her girls delivered to me what i needed. there was once she actually stayed behind over an hour and supervised her new girl what to do (every single step) while i was lying there been serviced by her girl! sorry bill, i cannot join you in the boycott mainly because she was also the only mama that will not "complain" to my asst. mama gf that i had taken girls from her. even with mama baby, she would tell my gf (considering they are cousins!).
another reason why i like taking girls from sandy is because she was very very fiece and discipline her girls very well. i can recalled many times when i hear sandy scouting at her girls for no doing a good job after any complains from her customer. and also she is the only mama i know in yalan that had given refunds to customer for bad attitude by her girls; one of which was to a friend of mine.
having said these; i would make it a point to tell her to stop all these nonsense of kissing and pinning guys down, the next time i sees her.
enjoy!
ag
oh… btw: i did got a free bbbj from her, she was teaching one of her girls how to do it on me! but her bbbj was not at all fantastic….! i had to dipped my dick into half a gallon of mouth wash after that!!! :d
Any where outside CP is hell.
Thank goodness, I'm not in Cincinnati, the final destination of Purgatory.
Bill
So who's in town now??? Roll call???
This quote/statement actually came from Santa.
Bill
Originally Posted by Bill Lee
Softy, in his report, inadvertantly reinforced the behavior twice.Yes it was Santa!! Thanks Bill, and, belatedly, Santa.
Softy. I tried to send you a private message and was unable to. That angered me! But I felt I needed to ask you not to reward bad behavior and not to overpay, ect. I hope you are not offended, this post not intended to do so.
There are better places to monger in China with a lot less hassle, especially for white guys who do not speak very good chinese. These cheap CP girls are generally low quality and give bad service, and CP is a rather dirty and uninteresting town.
Please send me a PM when you have a membership.Santa, thanks and I will take you up on that offer to PM you. It looks like I will have to wait to join until I am out of China because the processor appears to be blocking the ips from here.
Thanks again.
Frankly, the quality in that place has declined dramatically and Lily is no longer there with her harem of top notch service providers.
Yeah, I miss Lily too. She was the best one in that area. I never got a bad one with Lily. If she recommended someone, you couldn't go wrong.
Santa:
I was able to pony up tonight, so now I am a full member. It is amazing what a little guilt can do. LOL
Downunder96
06-25-07, 15:17
Why did she had to fall pregnant?? Was it by choice?
Yeah, I miss Lily too. She was the best one in that area. I never got a bad one with Lily. If she recommended someone, you couldn't go wrong.
Ace Gallant
06-25-07, 15:45
Yeah, I miss Lily too. She was the best one in that area. I never got a bad one with Lily. If she recommended someone, you couldn't go wrong.
I am sorry but I cannot be with you guys on this one; Lily had in the past given me bad girls, in the only two times I used her girls before I decide to quit on her.
Anyways, she is history.
Enjoy!
AG
AG, are you kidding me! Lily was my favourite mommy. Her girls mayb not be the best looking, but they provided the best service. I think Sandy shares some of the girls with Lily, so she's got good girls too. But Lily was really honest with me, if she didn't have a good one, she would actually say so. Sandy on the other hand likes to make a sale no matter what.
I think Lily will be back after she delivers her baby.
I am sorry but I cannot be with you guys on this one; Lily had in the past given me bad girls, in the only two times I used her girls before I decide to quit on her.
Anyways, she is history.
Enjoy!
AG
Ace Gallant
06-26-07, 02:42
AG, are you kidding me! Lily was my favourite mommy. Her girls mayb not be the best looking, but they provided the best service. I think Sandy shares some of the girls with Lily, so she's got good girls too. But Lily was really honest with me, if she didn't have a good one, she would actually say so. Sandy on the other hand likes to make a sale no matter what.
I think Lily will be back after she delivers her baby.
Wadman,
No I am not, as I've mentioned I had taken 2 girls from Lily and both of them had bad attitude. That is why I said; I cannot be with you guys on this one. Besides, I know Lily was your favorite mama. Just like any regular mongers, each one of us have our own favorite mama and mine is not Lily but are Baby and Sandy.
The mamas do not share their girls. Unless their regular customer do not want any of their own girls, sometimes they would try to help out their fellow mamas by pushing the girls from other mamas. This also explains for times when you hear or see them calling up their fellow mama (if they are not in the shop) when you pick a girl that belongs to their fellow mama.
I am just wondering; since Lily is the favorite mama of many of you guys; what will happens if all of you guys showed up at the same time? I am sure not all of the girls gives good service. So who will she serve as priority? Perhaps that is why I got bad girls from Lily while you guys got the better ones? :D
Enjoy!
AG
Old Mean Dog
06-26-07, 04:31
I am just wondering; since Lily is the favorite mama of many of you guys; what will happens if all of you guys showed up at the same time? I am sure not all of the girls gives good service. So who will she serve as priority? Perhaps that is why I got bad girls from Lily while you guys got the better ones? :D
Enjoy!
AG
AG,
Maybe that's your bun in her oven and she don't want you to have other girls :-)
Anyway, since we are racking and stacking the mamas, I actually prefer The Silver Mobile Pussy Wagon as my #1, because always GFE and very cute fresh girls, Coco's girls as #2 because everytime I have one of her girls, they give a little more personalized service like them showering you.
-SZE
The mamas do not share their girls. Unless their regular customer do not want any of their own girls, sometimes they would try to help out their fellow mamas by pushing the girls from other mamas. This also explains for times when you hear or see them calling up their fellow mama (if they are not in the shop) when you pick a girl that belongs to their fellow mama.
OK, maybe "share their girls" was too strong of a statement. But I have had it happened where I didn't like any of Lily's initially recommended "hot picks", she recommended a girl from Sandy. This happened a few times, quite early in the evening too so plenty of girls still available. She could have recommended another one of her own girls.
Lily probably has a closer working relationship with Sandy then most mama's do. I have seen her hand the 100 rmb mommy fee to Sandy as soon as I gave it to her. And immediately after Lily left, her girls were taken over by Sandy.
And thank God I am Lily's "boyfriend", that way at least Sandy doesn't try to kiss me.
Ace Gallant
06-26-07, 06:47
OK, maybe "share their girls" was too strong of a statement. But I have had it happened where I didn't like any of Lily's initially recommended "hot picks", she recommended a girl from Sandy. This happened a few times, quite early in the evening too so plenty of girls still available. She could have recommended another one of her own girls.
Lily probably has a closer working relationship with Sandy then most mama's do. I have seen her hand the 100 rmb mommy fee to Sandy as soon as I gave it to her. And immediately after Lily left, her girls were taken over by Sandy.
And thank God I am Lily's "boyfriend", that way at least Sandy doesn't try to kiss me.
You are right that Sandy and Lily have better relationship among those mama in that shop. If there are no girl of our preference, they will try to sell girls from each other other than from the other mamas. When Lily left, Sandy did told me that she lost a good partner. They often refer themselves as partners. However, I thought Jojo is suppose to take over from Lily?
Here's is something interesting; as much as we know that the girls are "managed" by each mamas, do you guys know that WE are been tag as their domains? In other words, if I were to walked into Sandy's shop, the other mama would call Sandy, to return to the shop and service me. As much as possible they will not "Cross" domains. They wil not try to pich customer from other mamas within their same shop. I guess that's their code of conduct! I had also recalled the time when I walked into Baby's shop and Baby is not around, the other two mama just went off scouting... "call Baby, where the hell she is??? her customer is here!!!"
Perhaps for us regulars, we had been tagged with customer numbers???
Enjoy!
AG
Fast Eddie 48
06-26-07, 07:59
AG,
Maybe that's your bun in her oven and she don't want you to have other girls :-)
Anyway, since we are racking and stacking the mamas, I actually prefer The Silver Mobile Pussy Wagon as my #1, because always GFE and very cute fresh girls, Coco's girls as #2 because everytime I have one of her girls, they give a little more personalized service like them showering you.
SZETo SZE
I been to CP so many time never see the silver wagon before do the meal on wheel just cruise around the area or do you have contact and phone maybe next they can do a delivery to my hotel room like the HUI MEI mamasan .
Please pm me
Fast eddie 48
Night Godz
06-26-07, 08:04
Hi guys,
Its my first time in China and I'm stuck doing business here for a couple of weeks and I need help finding things to do and places to go after work I'm in Fujian in a town called Shishi, I read all previous posts and didn't find anything bout this area. So please if anyone out there knows anything bout this town let me know, plus I'm not staying at a hotel so there is no massage parlours if you know of how I can get an escort or if there is a broth near by let me know its boring and lonely here, Thanks.
BTW I my Chinese speaking capability is 0 nothing not even Hello, so you can see what a mess I'm in.
Just finished wonderful six days in CP. Met Bill Lee, Santa and Reader 123. They were great "hosts" in leading me astray. The Bill Lee guided tour of Yalan was the best tour that I have been on. The ISG forum has a great value in helping us find the top quality for the best prices. Thanks guys for your help.
It seems like you guys left early that night at PP. I lost track of time and you guys were gone when I returned. You guys were in good hands anyway.
Ace Gallant
06-26-07, 18:03
It seems like you guys left early that night at PP. I lost track of time and you guys were gone when I returned. You guys were in good hands anyway.
Hey!!! I didn't know you were in town??? I was there in CP too!
Enjoy!
AG
Fujian??? Do you at least have a map? The major cities in Fujian are Fuzhou and Xiamen. You'll have better luck getting an answer from those threads...
Hi guys,
Its my first time in China and I'm stuck doing business here for a couple of weeks and I need help finding things to do and places to go after work I'm in Fujian in a town called Shishi, I read all previous posts and didn't find anything bout this area. So please if anyone out there knows anything bout this town let me know, plus I'm not staying at a hotel so there is no massage parlours if you know of how I can get an escort or if there is a broth near by let me know its boring and lonely here, Thanks.
BTW I my Chinese speaking capability is 0 nothing not even Hello, so you can see what a mess I'm in.
Hi guys,
Its my first time in China and I'm stuck doing business here for a couple of weeks and I need help finding things to do and places to go after work I'm in Fujian in a town called Shishi, I read all previous posts and didn't find anything bout this area. So please if anyone out there knows anything bout this town let me know, plus I'm not staying at a hotel so there is no massage parlours if you know of how I can get an escort or if there is a broth near by let me know its boring and lonely here, Thanks.
BTW I my Chinese speaking capability is 0 nothing not even Hello, so you can see what a mess I'm in.
Hey Night Godz
You sound like a guy that is travelling with family. If you were doing business Fujian/China, you would be better inform. If not, then you must be a sad businessman. If you are, then i do not think you will do well in China. The business in fast pace and the other businessperson you are dealing with will have a big smile..and a wicked thought "ka ching". Doing business in China is not for the "faint hearted". If you do not know the custom or they see you as a bit weak they will take you for all you got at a heartbeat. So you may want to "fess" up with us.
If you cannot tell the difference in location between the Dongguan, Xiamen or Fuzhou board, I would suggest that you find someone that you trust to take you around. Do not go alone,.
I suspect you may be travelling with a family member and staying in their homestead. The best thing is to hit one of the bbs with stinky room behind the storefront or head for one of those massage/sauna that is all over the place in southern china. A word from the wise, what ever you do, make sure that you play safe. Use a condom and read the safe sex forum. if not your significant other will not be too happy if she becomes a bit itchy and sees a doctor a few weeks later when you return stateside.
You may also want to pay the membership fee so that you can PM some senior member for advice and tips. The cost of membership is much cheaper than a trip to a hospital to repair wounds or the cost of getting some antibiotics from your psysician. The final question in your mind is that, NO, I do not get a commission from Jackson for telling newbies to buy membership. Jackson is just a nice guy putting up with all of us. The PM function will be more than worth it. If your wifey sees ann ISG membership charge on the credit card bill, just tell her that it is for business and the acroymn stands for " Integrated Sourcing Group" . It is true, you are sourcing new knowledge.
best
have fun/play safe.
I'm wondering if you meant Cixi, which is in Zhejiang province (between Hangzhou and Ningbo.
Do you see signs of a "h-u-g-e" long bridge being built in town?
If so, you're not in Fujian...
Hey Night Godz
If you cannot tell the difference in location between the Dongguan, Xiamen or Fuzhou board, I would suggest that you find someone that you trust to take you around. Do not go alone,.
have fun/play safe.
Pointpanic
06-27-07, 13:28
Hey!!! I didn't know you were in town??? I was there in CP too!
Enjoy!
AG
One of the reasons for this trip was to meet the great and prolific AG. Will catch you next time.
Ace Gallant
06-27-07, 13:52
One of the reasons for this trip was to meet the great and prolific AG. Will catch you next time.
What's about AG? He is just Another Ghost!
Sorry... I did know you were in town. Bill Lee told me you and a few guys were in CP. There are a lot of guys on the board who just hates me. That is why I do not show up un-invited.
Next time then...
Enjoy!
AG
ManonsanBoy
06-27-07, 21:44
Once upon a time, a wise man built a hotel next to the huge Mission Hills golf complex (Dongguan) hoping to take advantage of the location. It was supposed to be a combined hotel and sauna. The sauna became so successful he closed down the hotel operation. Each room has a sauna that works. There is also a massage couch.
Face: 8
Name: Xiao Huang
Origin: Hubei
Service: 9 includes a competent massage, catbath, rimming, toe sucking............90 minutes of "su foo" which starts after she has scrubbed you down
Cost: 400 for the girl
Room: special promotion; no charge but this changes all the time
Hey!!! I didn't know you were in town??? I was there in CP too!
Enjoy!
AG
We will have plenty of chance to meet up.
Night Godz
06-28-07, 07:00
Thanks Bnlee, you are right in in one thing that I'm here with a family member execpt he left and I'm stuck here by myself to take care of bussiness, and thanks for the advice but bussiness wise I do alright I mean we have a secretary/translator for me I just feel awkward asking a lady where can I get laid.
And I'm certain I'm in Fujian and the town I mean it is printed on a business card in front of me, the area specialises in our field of work, and I will take up your advice on the subscription its gotta come in handy if I'm gonna stay stuck here and there is no wifey thanks god I got close to making that mistake.
Dan Hawaii
06-28-07, 21:40
Except for MM that are dirt cheap in China, I do not buy the cheap stuff from China, especially food and medicine. Rather be safe than sorry. You can get viagra from Canada for less than $4 a pill, why take a chance?How can I order some? Is it the 100 mg?
How can I order some? Is it the 100 mg?After reading the material in detail, it is actually generic stuff made in India, then package/sell in Canada. I, personally have not tried these before, don't know how safe or how good it is. After doing research on the web, there are several canadian companies that sell these kind of generic stuff.
After reading the material in detail, it is actually generic stuff made in India, then package/sell in Canada. I, personally have not tried these before, don't know how safe or how good it is. After doing research on the web, there are several canadian companies that sell these kind of generic stuff.Guys , this is the website from Canada that I was given by an ISG guy , I think it was SANTA , but I am not sure. I bought 10 of the soft gel , they work faster. They are cheap and they do work.
Enjoy tile man
http://www.thecanadianmeds.com/item.php?id=267
If Jackson will not let the website be seen , Please private message me.
Ace Gallant
06-30-07, 04:06
Thanks Bnlee, you are right in in one thing that I'm here with a family member execpt he left and I'm stuck here by myself to take care of bussiness, and thanks for the advice but bussiness wise I do alright I mean we have a secretary/translator for me I just feel awkward asking a lady where can I get laid.
And I'm certain I'm in Fujian and the town I mean it is printed on a business card in front of me, the area specialises in our field of work, and I will take up your advice on the subscription its gotta come in handy if I'm gonna stay stuck here and there is no wifey thanks god I got close to making that mistake.
I took out my Fujian map and did a scan through; I think the town you are in in a small town call Xixi 溪西 which is North west of Xiamen. (Look at the hotel Card and try to see if the Chinese Character match. Let us know.
I am no expert in in Fujian but thought by offering the right name may help any fujian member to locate your whereabout and assist you in your loneliness. :D
Yah I understand I cannot imagine the looks in your translator's face when you approach her and say "I need to find a girl for fuck!" but than again.... who knows? she might say.... "Why didn't you asked easlier? I am available!!!"
If all fails:
The best way to find such service provider is the ask the Bell Boy of the hotel. But be careful how you ask.... some of these Bellboy may rip you off. Most of the time I found that these bellboys were be extremely friendly if you take care of them. Like giving them a 20 - 50 RMB tips.
Enjoy!
AG
Oh BTW: you are posting in the wrong threads.... Fujian has its own threads, Dongguan is located in Guangdong not Fujian.
Old Mean Dog
06-30-07, 04:14
After reading the material in detail, it is actually generic stuff made in India, then package/sell in Canada. I, personally have not tried these before, don't know how safe or how good it is. After doing research on the web, there are several canadian companies that sell these kind of generic stuff.
I have, Santa gave me some before and it works great!
Dan Hawaii
06-30-07, 11:55
I have, Santa gave me some before and it works great!I hope they work. I just ordered some for my trip to visit the kingdom. I was wondering if any member/s would like to meet up on July 12 in ChangPing? Me and 3 of my buddies are going in blind, speaking no Chinese at all. We are landing in Guangzhou at 6pm, July 12 and was wondering how the hell are we going to get to ChangPing? The travel agent told me the taxi will cost around 400 RMB. Any confirmation on this? I know there is a train, but all I know is that it is across from a Mc Donalds, somewhere in the large a$$ city. Any suggestion would be great!
Anywho, I went online to the Miraton Hotel to make a booking, but never received a confirmation by email yet.
I just auntied up for the ISG subscription, so if anyone wants to PM with phone numbers, that would be awesome, like a guardian angel from up above. I have been to Doung Guan like 5 times, but I always had my Hong Kong Buddy to guide me, but this bugga just like disappeared from the face of the Earth. I mean, all telly number are gone and even his website. Hope he is still mongering around.
We will be in Chang Ping from July 12 to July 19. Then we are off to Macau for 4 days. Every single day, I dream about going back to heaven, and read through all the DG reports. I just hope some members will guide us through the pearly gates.
Thanks for coming around and agreeing me with that Pussy is more important friends. I knew that deep in all our hearts, we're the same.
Sorry Bill, I cannot join you in the Boycott mainly because she was also the only mama that will not "complain" to my Asst. Mama GF that I had taken girls from her. Even with Mama Baby, she would tell my GF (considering they are cousins!).
Sandy isn't the only mama giving refund. Recent complains with ISG members to other mamas has resulted in refunds. One was at Swan Lake and another I think on the fifth floor KTV across from the Yalan and yet another at the old Banyon tree/chicken farm house, behind Yalan hotel. This is because they know we are regulars and we can band together and cause them to lose income. Several mommas, such as Jojo and her assistants are well aware that Sandy has hurt their operation.
And also she is the only mama I know in Yalan that had given refunds to customer for bad attitude by her girls; one of which was to a friend of mine.
Not necessary, the ban has an effect on the mommas already. In fact, one momma sat on a lurker that was with us in the 2nd floor KTV and wouldn't let him off until he picked a girl. I asked her if she knew what happened to Sandy, she immediately go off and her face all the sudden turned serious.
Having said these; I would make it a point to tell her to stop all these nonsense of Kissing and pinning guys down, the next time I sees her.
Ace Gallant
07-01-07, 02:24
Thanks for coming around and agreeing me with that Pussy is more important friends. I knew that deep in all our hearts, we're the same.
Bill, I got a question for you; By not Boycotting Sandy how much has it hurt you? Does it cause you not to be able to cum in the last few weeks?
I felt that since Sandy had given you and some member here bad service doesn't means that those members that she had given good service have to join you in not getting girls from her. I still stand; if she had given you bad service, avoid getting girls from her. Ignore her. There is no reason to put others in the line of fire because of her. Others have reasons for using her service. I have my reasons because she had never failed me. Although she is a mummy, she has in some ways became a friend too.
However if you ask me; "Will I put my friends in the line of fire just because of a pussy?" the answer is "No".
I am sure all of us are adults and know how to weigh out the seriousness of things.
Sandy isn't the only mama giving refund. Recent complains with ISG members to other mamas has resulted in refunds. One was at Swan Lake and another I think on the fifth floor KTV across from the Yalan and yet another at the old Banyon tree/chicken farm house, behind Yalan hotel. This is because they know we are regulars and we can band together and cause them to lose income. Several mommas, such as Jojo and her assistants are well aware that Sandy has hurt their operation.
Well….as I said; she is the only mama I Know but I am not saying that there is no possibility of other mamas giving refunds. Whilst: Whether Sandy is hurting their operations or not, I felt that it is not for us to say. You really trust these mamas? On the other note; why not we just leave it to them to fight among themselves? You have all rights to boycott those mamas that had not given you good service which may have effects on their operations but putting friendship in the line of fire? Questioning your friends (or particular ME) because I did not boycott Sandy? I think that is a bit too much.
Not necessary, the ban has an effect on the mommas already. In fact, one momma sat on a lurker that was with us in the 2nd floor KTV and wouldn't let him off until he picked a girl. I asked her if she knew what happened to Sandy, she immediately go off and her face all the sudden turned serious.
I don’t want to be heard as taking side on Sandy, but frankly; she is just a mama who had given me good girls in the past few times; but she is nothing compared to the friends I had met on ISG and that include you. If the time has come to ask me to take sides, I will still be on your side.
Enjoy!
AG
BTW: Bill, what worries me about you is that you are starting to let your little head do the thinking recently. Hey... wake up!!! Don't need us to kick you in your butt in order to relocate your brains from the little head back to the top do we?? ....
OK. OK... sorry lah.... I was just joking....! Forgive me pleaseeeeee....
[QUOTE=Tile Man4]Guys , this is the website from Canada that I was given by an ISG guy , I think it was SANTA , but I am not sure. I bought 10 of the soft gel , they work faster. They are cheap and they do work.
Enjoy tile man
Thanks for the confirmation. Can't fight mother nature I will order some for my next trip to CP in late August.
Old Mean Dog
07-01-07, 05:53
I hope they work. I just ordered some for my trip to visit the kingdom. I was wondering if any member/s would like to meet up on July 12 in ChangPing? Me and 3 of my buddies are going in blind, speaking no Chinese at all. We are landing in Guangzhou at 6pm, July 12 and was wondering how the hell are we going to get to ChangPing? The travel agent told me the taxi will cost around 400 RMB. Any confirmation on this? I know there is a train, but all I know is that it is across from a Mc Donalds, somewhere in the large a$$ city. Any suggestion would be great!
Anywho, I went online to the Miraton Hotel to make a booking, but never received a confirmation by email yet.
I just auntied up for the ISG subscription, so if anyone wants to PM with phone numbers, that would be awesome, like a guardian angel from up above. I have been to Doung Guan like 5 times, but I always had my Hong Kong Buddy to guide me, but this bugga just like disappeared from the face of the Earth. I mean, all telly number are gone and even his website. Hope he is still mongering around.
We will be in Chang Ping from July 12 to July 19. Then we are off to Macau for 4 days. Every single day, I dream about going back to heaven, and read through all the DG reports. I just hope some members will guide us through the pearly gates.
Hi Dan-o,
Shit, I am old enough to remember Hawaii 5-0 and even got Jack Lords autograph when I was young and visiting Hawaii with my parents.
1. 400 rmb from GZ Airport to CP is about average. It is fairly easy to get around though, so instead of shelling out that kind of cash might I assist you with getting there:
- You could take a taxi from the Airport to Guangzhou Dong Huoche Zhan (sounds like hwoh-cher jahn) this is the GZ East Train Station.
- Inside the station go to the Guangzhou-Shenzhen Ticketing Booths (it's in English) tell the lady you want xxx amount of tickets to Chang Ping (sounds like it is spelled) you can just hold up however many fingers to her to indicate the amount of tickets needed. The ticket per person is between 40-50 rmb one way.
- Directly across from the ticket counter is the waiting area for the trains, when you see your train # flash above the gate, proceed to the train and on your ticket will be 2 numbers, the first one is the car # your in the second is your seat #.
- This train takes only 30 mins to get to CP and they actually call this the Dongguan Station, get off when you hear them announce this or ask a train attendent.
- When you arrive in CP, many guys will be offering you a taxi to your hotel (they do not use meters here and the starting price is 20 rmb) tell them 15 (shi-woo) and your going to the Miraton Hotel (sounds like Mirror Dung).
- Once at the hotel, the staff will take care of you.
- Next to the hotel is a 7-11 for quick stuff, across the street is a supermarket and McDonalds. Beside the 7-11 is a restaurant called The Bistro, English speaking staff and food is pretty good. Across the street is a place called Mingtian Coffee Language, has coffee and snacks with an English menu.
- For the pussy, just walk out the hotel and down the street past the 7-11, you will be confronted by numerous mommies and this will go on till you reach the Lucky Hotel. You can also grab a taxi or private van and tell them you want to go to the Ya Lan (sounds like it is spelled) as soon as you get out of the vehicle, mommies will be all over you. The taxi, once again, will start at 20, tell them 15 rmb.
- When you find a girl you like, tell them either 150 or 200 (normally it is 200 over at the Ya Lan, and 150 in town) just have that amount in your pocket so when a mommy quotes you some crazy price you can just whip out that cash, not a bank roll (DO NOT have deep pockets and DO NOT carry more than a few hundred rmb on you at any given time). If at the Yalan, show the mommy 100 and show the girl 100 or in town, show the mommy 50 and the girl 100, they will understand.
- If you feel the need or guilt to tip the girl after service has been given, the standard Western tipping practice should be observed (10-15%) of the bill (i.e. 100 rmb for the pop, give her 10 or 15 rmb tip).
- Never pony up for overnight (LT) until you have sampled an initial pop (ST). If you want her to stay overnight, the cost is 500 total from the Yalan and usually 450 for in town (since you already gave the mommy her fee of 100 or 50) then just show the girl 400 rmb and tell her to stay.
There is also KTV's and Massage Joints to do, but I am sure others can assist you with that. I might be out there during your stay, so maybe we can hookup.
Have fun and take some photos for us to see!
-SZE
DH.,
If there are 4 of you it might not be worth the extra diversion to Gz East Station and the train ride to CP changing from taxi to train and then taxi.
Taxi ride to Gz East Station approx 110 to 120 rmb,
Train ride to CP for 4 persons 40 - 50 rmb x 4 persons
Taxi to Miraton from Train station; 15 rmb
total, 300+ rmb
versus the 400 rmb cab fare provided you get a reliable cab from your travel agent.
If travelling alone, Szexpat's suggestion is definitely one of the better options for sure.
Have fun with your Chinese Immersion!
Old Mean Dog
07-01-07, 06:29
Thanks for coming around and agreeing me with that Pussy is more important friends. I knew that deep in all our hearts, we're the same.
Pussy is Pussy.
Especially one anyone can have for a couple hundred rmb. I actually prefer meeting good friends for a footie and dinner and would never let a piece of "rented" pussy come between friendship.
I guess true expats, like and often need their network of friends to live here and retain their sanity, whilst the short term businessman and/or pussy tourist only cares about the snatch.
Also, Jojo's girls in my opinion are the worst in CP for service. I have had so many bad experiences with her girls, I just now refuse them completely. She never offered me a refund, but she would offer a "better" girl at half price. I always balked on this as well and told her she should come over and service me to make up for her girls shitty service.
-SZE
I know there is a train, but all I know is that it is across from a Mc Donalds, somewhere in the large a$$ city. Any suggestion would be great!
If you're taking the train, just enlarge and show the cab driver the following, it's the name of the train station.
广州东火车站
Once you're at the train station, it's pretty easy. Just make sure you go to the GuangShen Express and not the long distance trains; you don't want to accidentally end up in Hunan. There's only like 3 stops from Guangzhou to Shenzhen and their names are Shilong, Dongguan, and Zhangmutou. You have to be aware though that not all trains stop at all the stations so you can't count on your stop automatically being the 2nd stop. If you listen to the announcements on the train, you'll eventually hear Dongguan. Get off then.
Since there's 4 of you and each of you will probably be carrying a couple bags of luggage, there's a good chance you guys won't fit in one cab. If you want to save a couple bux, the train will probably be considerably cheaper, but much less convenient.
One other thing you should be aware of. Lately, it's come to my attention from some friends that it's difficult to exchange foreign currency, especially USD, in Dongguan. I'm also hearing that it's not easy to use foreign ATM cards in Dongguan either. You might want to stop over at a bank in Guangzhou to change your money or make withdraws from ATMs for any cash you may need during your stay.
Dan Hawaii
07-02-07, 00:44
If you're taking the train, just enlarge and show the cab driver the following, it's the name of the train station.
广州东火车站
Once you're at the train station, it's pretty easy. Just make sure you go to the GuangShen Express and not the long distance trains; you don't want to accidentally end up in Hunan. There's only like 3 stops from Guangzhou to Shenzhen and their names are Shilong, Dongguan, and Zhangmutou. You have to be aware though that not all trains stop at all the stations so you can't count on your stop automatically being the 2nd stop. If you listen to the announcements on the train, you'll eventually hear Dongguan. Get off then.
Since there's 4 of you and each of you will probably be carrying a couple bags of luggage, there's a good chance you guys won't fit in one cab. If you want to save a couple bux, the train will probably be considerably cheaper, but much less convenient.
One other thing you should be aware of. Lately, it's come to my attention from some friends that it's difficult to exchange foreign currency, especially USD, in Dongguan. I'm also hearing that it's not easy to use foreign ATM cards in Dongguan either. You might want to stop over at a bank in Guangzhou to change your money or make withdraws from ATMs for any cash you may need during your stay.Thanks for your advice. I think we may just take the taxi. I'll tell the boys to travel light so hopefully we can fit in one cab. I was wondering if anyone knows how much RMB it will cost, Guangzhou to CP?
Dan Hawaii
07-02-07, 00:57
Hi Dan-o,
Shit, I am old enough to remember Hawaii 5-0 and even got Jack Lords autograph when I was young and visiting Hawaii with my parents.
-SZE"Book'em Dan-o",
I get that a lot since I obviously live in Hawaii, Honolulu to be exact. Thanks for your very useful advice. I will certainly take down the pricing schedules and make sure my friends do not overpay. I know the down-low on this matter and I hope to meet every ISG member that will be in CP during my stay.
Dan Hawaii
07-02-07, 01:00
DH.,
If there are 4 of you it might not be worth the extra diversion to Gz East Station and the train ride to CP changing from taxi to train and then taxi.
Taxi ride to Gz East Station approx 110 to 120 rmb,
Train ride to CP for 4 persons 40 - 50 rmb x 4 persons
Taxi to Miraton from Train station; 15 rmb
total, 300+ rmb
versus the 400 rmb cab fare provided you get a reliable cab from your travel agent.
If travelling alone, Szexpat's suggestion is definitely one of the better options for sure.
Have fun with your Chinese Immersion!That's my thinking exactly, taxi. I did the train journey a couple of times with my HK buddy, because he had some business in Guangzhou and we were partying like rock stars in CP.
Dan Hawaii
07-02-07, 01:07
I finally bought the subscription and it said 24 hours to activate, but I guess it took a little longer, I know Jackson is a busy man.
Anyways, the private message is working now. I would love to party with some/all ISG members that would be in CP from July 12 to 19, please PM me.
I don't know where you get the "bad service" part?
It's was always about the lack of respect given to a board member by this HoMaster, who decided to sit on me until I tell her that I was going to take her girl. Fuck that, nobody tells anyone of us who to fuck.
Aren't you all tired of having the mommies lock you in their room, forcing the girls on you? Or especially having this ugly HoMaster kiss you?
I went down to LHL in ZH the other day and totally appreciated the girls coming up to me and nicely gave me their phone number on a piece when I declined their service. I wish the mommies were like that in Swan Lake and this Homaster we are talking about.
I am not here to make anyone suffer. As far as this HoMster is concern, I get the satisfaction of letting her know I'm tired of her shit. At the same time, other mommies know that they can't do this to us. I know I can't be hurting her overall operation. That's not the point. I'm not contributing to her income is the point.
This is certainly not hurting me or anyone that supports the boycott. If I and fellow mongers made the rounds, by the time I get to the HoMaster's shop, we have already found someone. We don't suffer at all.
This was not about thinking with your dick but telling that HoMaster she can't treat us like shit and getaway with it. I know I'm not the only members complaining about her treatment. I don't understand how you even come up with that idea of thinking with your little dick.
I support any member of this board who has been disrespected or been cheated by a shop. Like when Cronin had been rip-offed by a shop down by the corner KTV across from Yalan. I made of point of telling members I was with to boycott the shop. Not only that, I told the mommies there why we were not going to their shop.
I don't know what part of the debate here you don't understand. Please RTFF. OK. OK... sorry LOL.... I was just joking.
Bill
Bill, I got a question for you; By not Boycotting Sandy how much has it hurt you? Does it cause you not to be able to cum in the last few weeks?
I felt that since Sandy had given you and some member here bad service doesn't means that those members that she had given good service have to join you in not getting girls from her. I still stand; if she had given you bad service, avoid getting girls from her. Ignore her. There is no reason to put others in the line of fire because of her. Others have reasons for using her service. I have my reasons because she had never failed me. Although she is a mummy, she has in some ways became a friend too.
Well….as I said; she is the only mama I Know but I am not saying that there is no possibility of other mamas giving refunds. Whilst: Whether Sandy is hurting their operations or not, I felt that it is not for us to say.
I don't want to be heard as taking side on Sandy, but frankly; she is just a mama who had given me good girls in the past few times; but she is nothing compared to the friends I had met on ISG and that include you. If the time has come to ask me to take sides, I will still be on your side.
Enjoy!
AG
BTW: Bill, what worries me about you is that you are starting to let your little head do the thinking recently. Hey... wake up!!! Don't need us to kick you in your butt in order to relocate your brains from the little head back to the top do we?? ....
OK. OK... sorry lah.... I was just joking....! Forgive me pleaseeeeee....
i absolutely agree with you on these points. you expats have a different level of friendship among each other than those who are short term business/pussy tourist, which i can easily fall into these categories. there's less loyalty among my peers than yours.
there's so many levels of friendship in life. some friends are for life, some since college and some for specify sports like our little hobby. therefore, there's also different level of commitment and loyalty. you can't say all mongers here share the same level of friendship. it just isn't there.
but i do share the same level of loyalty in that i rather give up a hottie to you than lose your friendship. cause i know i can do sloppy seconds and on top of that, i get to hear your report before buying. but don't expect me to visit you in sz if there is no pussy there. you're going die a lonely old man there (just kidding).
bill
pussy is pussy.
especially one anyone can have for a couple hundred rmb. i actually prefer meeting good friends for a footie and dinner and would never let a piece of "rented" pussy come between friendship.
i guess true expats, like and often need their network of friends to live here and retain their sanity, whilst the short term businessman and/or pussy tourist only cares about the snatch.
-sze
Dan Hawaii
07-02-07, 22:08
I'm getting kind of worried. Since 3 of my buddies never been to China before, and we all do not speak Mandarin, should we get a translator? I want to show them a good time, but I know how frustrating it can be if we can not communicate what we want. It will just ruin the whole experience. I have been reading this forum for many hours and many days, that my eyes are about to fall out. I know where to go and have a general plan, thanks to Laowai123 google earth map and senior members' reports. It's just the little things like what we want to drink. Can we get st or lt? "Karaoke room? ", no we want to sit at the bar. I can see it now when we go to the restaurant, instead of looking at the menu like normal people, we are looking at what other people are eating and point at other peoples food to order. Been there, done that, . And don't want that to happen.
Anyone know of any translators and their prices? We are going to be in CP from July 12 to 19. Thanks for any advice.
I know how frustrating it can be if we can not communicate what we want.There is a thread in the China forum called Chinese words and phrases. I am almost ashamed to admit that most of the Chinese I know came from this thread. But the mommies do speak English (they'll find you) and so does hotel staff, but speak slowly. Have a good time!
Ace Gallant
07-04-07, 07:26
I don't know where you get the "bad service" part?
It's was always about the lack of respect given to a board member by this HoMaster, who decided to sit on me until I tell her that I was going to take her girl. Fuck that, nobody tells anyone of us who to fuck.
Aren't you all tired of having the mommies lock you in their room, forcing the girls on you? Or especially having this ugly HoMaster kiss you?
I went down to LHL in ZH the other day and totally appreciated the girls coming up to me and nicely gave me their phone number on a piece when I declined their service. I wish the mommies were like that in Swan Lake and this Homaster we are talking about.
This was not about thinking with your dick but telling that HoMaster she can't treat us like shit and getaway with it. I know I'm not the only members complaining about her treatment. I don't understand how you even come up with that idea of thinking with your little dick.
I don't know what part of the debate here you don't understand. Please RTFF. OK. OK... sorry LOL.... I was just joking.
Bill
Hey Bill,
You are begining to sound like a member we all know on the board (Oh sorry... I should say ex-member?). Why the Fxxk are you picking on every word I said?
I know I am going to sound like a small kid but here it goes:
Well, she disrespect members on the board and disrespect you, isn't that bad service?
On the part about thinking with your small head; (NOT LITTLE DICK), why I said so, I did highlight to you over one breakfast that we are annoyed on the fact that you actually said: "Pussy is more important friends." As we considered you as our friends, we felt hurted!
Just for that; Johnnykon, a few others and I are coming up to CP this Friday and kick your ass! Don't run away...!!! We know it is your last day before you leave for home... we will make sure we will give you HELL.... of a time.... :D :D :D
Lastly: What debate? Was there one? We were just talking about mamas (especially your so called HoMaster) in Yalan area. We friends do not debate, we just make our girls masturbate... Oops! Was that a bad word? Ok Ok… sorry man… what I meant was, we friend just shared our views on her, but definitely there are differences….
You better rest well before Friday man…. !!
BTW: How was your sick GF in Shenyang? Did you got yourself married?
Enjoy!
AG
Ace Gallant
07-04-07, 07:27
I'm getting kind of worried. Since 3 of my buddies never been to China before, and we all do not speak Mandarin, should we get a translator? I want to show them a good time, but I know how frustrating it can be if we can not communicate what we want. It will just ruin the whole experience. I have been reading this forum for many hours and many days, that my eyes are about to fall out. I know where to go and have a general plan, thanks to Laowai123 google earth map and senior members' reports. It's just the little things like what we want to drink. Can we get st or lt? "Karaoke room? ", no we want to sit at the bar. I can see it now when we go to the restaurant, instead of looking at the menu like normal people, we are looking at what other people are eating and point at other peoples food to order. Been there, done that, . And don't want that to happen.
Anyone know of any translators and their prices? We are going to be in CP from July 12 to 19. Thanks for any advice.
When all fails, use body language, it works internationally all the times!
Enjoy!
AG
Anyone know of any translators and their prices? We are going to be in CP from July 12 to 19. Thanks for any advice.
Aside from the fact there really aren't any translators for hire in CP, you don't need one. For example, just eat at the restaurants that have English menus, like the Japanese sushi place. If you go to KTV, just tell them how many people, you can use your fingers for that. When you get to a room, they'll probably say some stuff, most of it's FYI stuff like the room minimum and the 15% service charge. Just nod your head like you know what they're talking about.
Anyway, here's a couple hand words:
beer = pi jiu
red wine = hong jiu
white wine (the chinese stuff) = bai jiu
whiskey = yang jiu
Bar area = da ting (means big room)
[QUOTE=Moody] If you go to KTV, just tell them how many people, you can use your fingers for that. When you get to a room, they'll probably say some stuff, most of it's FYI stuff like the room minimum and the 15% service charge. Just nod your head like you know what they're talking about.
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I hate to disagree with my good friend Moody, but I think that is very bad advice.
You must ALWAYS clearly establish what is being offered and for exactly how much, before you accept the service. Many guys have reported being ripped off in chinese bbs, saunas and ktvs.
"Nodding your head like you know what they're talking about" is a bad idea!
When visiting bbs, saunas and ktvs, anywhere in China, bring only the amount of cash you expect it to cost. Leave the rest of your money, cards and valubles locked inside your hotel safe.
On a first time visit to any establishment, it is better to go with a chinese speaking friend who knows that place. Beware of touts or guides, they might be in on a scam.
You both have good ideas , but when I first went to China in 2004 my head was spinning after 2 days. I callled the local college and got myself a great translator. She was 100 rmb per day. She is now 25 and we still talk. She helped me with all 4 trips to China but I did not use her 100% of the time.
She would travel with me if I needed and yes this was more money, but I still think she has saved me lots of money form the rip-off artist and other problems that the newbie have in China.
Even you experts that don't speak fluent Chinese can get ripped-off. I know that we all have our own ways but this did work for me. I did tell Dan Hawaii
to try this. He only has a week in China. I told him not to waste 4 days trying to learn the system.
One night in the hotel my GF had to leave early to be with her child and my little translator stayed to finish her coffee. I walked my translaor to the door and she nailed me to the door and gave me the one of the best BBBJCIM that I ever had. So , sometimes the translator will give you more than only help with Chinese and getting around China.
All of you stay safe and I hope maybe I will meet some of you soon.
tile man
As more westerners visit Dongguan, especially non-chinese speakers, we can expect prices to go way up, quality of service to go way down, and beggars, touts, rude mommies and scams to become far more prevalent. :(
I think the Guangzhou Fair and the Olympics will have a big negative impact.
[QUOTE=Moody] If you go to KTV, just tell them how many people, you can use your fingers for that. When you get to a room, they'll probably say some stuff, most of it's FYI stuff like the room minimum and the 15% service charge. Just nod your head like you know what they're talking about.
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I hate to disagree with my good friend Moody, but I think that is very bad advice.
On a first time visit to any establishment, it is better to go with a chinese speaking friend who knows that place. Beware of touts or guides, they might be in on a scam.
Santa
I agreed with you. never nod your head thinking that you understand when you do not. Never go to a new ktv. Have a friend recommend one that is trusted and your friend has a contact there eg.. manager, mommy etc. If you go there recommended by one of their regulars, the chances of getting ripped is less likely. All of us have a few that we have become acquainted with in the past.
One Wing Low
07-05-07, 02:46
Most KTV's in SZ and Dongguan can arrange to call in 1 or 2 girls who can speak passable English. These girls tend to be younger than the rest of the other girls.
The Huihoa KTV's manager speaks good English with a New Jersey accent. Or you can always use lots of BODY language with their assistant manager named Jiajia. She can also give you a ride of your life in bed.
The Huimei KTV has a guy speaking good English who translates via the phone. He kept emphasizing the rate structure 2,5,8. Go to the fancy KTV's in SZ and DG. Their rates are about the same but the girls are of better quality.
I don't speak more than 10 Chinese words but managed to survive and had lots of fun with quite a few romps in KTV's and saunas in China. When in doubt, write down the prices on a piece of paper and show it to them. That usually works.
As for westerners visiting Dongguan it is a bad idea. It is ver dangerous now.
Stay away be warned!
Ace Gallant
07-05-07, 03:02
Most KTV's in SZ and Dongguan can arrange to call in 1 or 2 girls who can speak passable English. These girls tend to be younger than the rest of the other girls.
The Huihoa KTV's manager speaks good English with a New Jersey accent. Or you can always use lots of BODY language with their assistant manager named Jiajia. She can also give you a ride of your life in bed.
The Huimei KTV has a guy speaking good English who translates via the phone. He kept emphasizing the rate structure 2,5,8. Go to the fancy KTV's in SZ and DG. Their rates are about the same but the girls are of better quality.
I don't speak more than 10 Chinese words but managed to survive and had lots of fun with quite a few romps in KTV's and saunas in China. When in doubt, write down the prices on a piece of paper and show it to them. That usually works.
You just tell mama or manager to bring in more girls that can speak English. But their definition of "Can speak English" is different from us, their definitions: They can say "Hello" & "How are You?" = Can speak English, anything beyond that = Can speak English well!
Enjoy!
AG
[QUOTE=Moody] If you go to KTV, just tell them how many people, you can use your fingers for that. When you get to a room, they'll probably say some stuff, most of it's FYI stuff like the room minimum and the 15% service charge. Just nod your head like you know what they're talking about.
QUOTE]
I hate to disagree with my good friend Moody, but I think that is very bad advice.
You must ALWAYS clearly establish what is being offered and for exactly how much, before you accept the service. Many guys have reported being ripped off in chinese bbs, saunas and ktvs.
"Nodding your head like you know what they're talking about" is a bad idea!
When visiting bbs, saunas and ktvs, anywhere in China, bring only the amount of cash you expect it to cost. Leave the rest of your money, cards and valubles locked inside your hotel safe.
On a first time visit to any establishment, it is better to go with a chinese speaking friend who knows that place. Beware of touts or guides, they might be in on a scam.
You're right of course Santa. Normally, this would be very bad advice. The only reason I posted the previous is because I've been to all the KTV's Dan and Co. would possibly go to and none of them are rip off joints. They all have drink menus with prices posted and stuff. Places I've been to in that area:
Amazon
Jia Yi
Miraton
Hui Hua
Hui Mei
New Century
Lion
Crown Prince
My personal preference is for the Hui Mei KTV. I've always had fun there and I figure by now I've been there a few dozen times.
I made it to CP this week and enjoyed mongering with a few elite ISG senior members (OAH and Bill Lee) and a couple new folks (Tony " the Tiger " and Anthony). It was good to meet Bill Lee for the first time, since he has engaged in some "interesting" discussions on this forum. We also discussed that briefly (pussy vs friendship) at our dinner. Our discussion could go all nite and since it was getting late, and I worried the pussies may all disappear, we decided to table the topic and focus on why we are there in the first place.
We went to Yalan and did the tour, I saw someone to my liking at the first bbs, got her name. Moved on to next bbs. After a few, my regular mama san called and I decided not to answer until I finished all the bbs walk. We met up with Anthony and he wanted to show me the night market (bless his heart and soul). He drove us there and it was a WOW, many girls and quality is not bad, or even better than Yalan bbs. Tony said the location of this is close to the Lee Wah Hotel. Both OAH and I saw a few we liked and we got their names. This will be a special delivery to the hotel.
I decided it is time for me to make a decision and stop touring the bbs, it could go on forever. I made it to my mama san's bbs and did our friendly hugs, she offered several girls, but I did not like. Finally, she brought over one that is a mix of vietnamese and chinese. I am fine with her, but i also had my eyes on a girl from the night market. I decided to take one this evening and do one in the morning, I asked my mama san if the girl can come over in the morning at 9am. This will give me a good night rest to re-charge my batteries for a morning fun. The girl is ok with this, and we drove back to the night market to book the other girl.
For some reason I had OAH room number and my room number mixed up, so I gave the two girls OAH room number. OAH could have snatched them from me, but OAH is a real gentleman and pointed them to my room.
To keep this short, the night market girl is a winner, real GFE, not short, nice figure, and good attitude. She used to work for the Nike factory. Got pissed off at her boyfriend and didn't like factory work. She also does not like this type of work, but if you treat them nice and gentle, they will give you a very good service.
The morning girl has a very small frame, and it was difficult getting inside her, but her BJ skill is not bad. Next time, I will try to pick a girl not so petite.
cheers,
MPfslover
Old Mean Dog
07-05-07, 05:08
I'm getting kind of worried. Since 3 of my buddies never been to China before, and we all do not speak Mandarin, should we get a translator? I want to show them a good time, but I know how frustrating it can be if we can not communicate what we want. It will just ruin the whole experience. I have been reading this forum for many hours and many days, that my eyes are about to fall out. I know where to go and have a general plan, thanks to Laowai123 google earth map and senior members' reports. It's just the little things like what we want to drink. Can we get st or lt? "Karaoke room? ", no we want to sit at the bar. I can see it now when we go to the restaurant, instead of looking at the menu like normal people, we are looking at what other people are eating and point at other peoples food to order. Been there, done that, . And don't want that to happen.
Anyone know of any translators and their prices? We are going to be in CP from July 12 to 19. Thanks for any advice.
Hell, your dime, my time!!
I know enough putonghua to order beers, steak and pussy! I can't really think of anything else we would need. If you want a REAL translator, then PM me, I have these kinds of people working for me.
-SZE
I'll prep a few common phrases used in KTV for Dan and Co.
When you first enter, the girl will almost always ask you, "ni men you meiyou ding fang?" "Have you reserved a room?"
You answer with, "wo meiyou, ni gei wo zhao yige fangjian." "I don't have one, find a room for me."
Alternatively, "ni you meiyou kong fang?" "Do you have an empty room?"
At this point, she'll probably ask one of two things:
"ji wei?" "how many?"
"xiao fang, zhong fang, da fang?" "small room, medium room, big room?"
You answer appropriately... for how many, stick up your fingers or tell her if you know the numbers in Putonghua. For the other one, pick one.
When you get to a room, the girl will go into a spiel. The whole spiel basically tells you the room minimum and reminds you of the 15% service fee. In CP, the room minimums are more or less as follows:
small room: 400-500RMB
medium room: 600-700RMB
big room; 800-900RMB
To be honest, I never even consider the minimums when I go to KTV. My friends and I ALWAYS consume more than the minimum. For example, let say there's 4 of us and we get a medium room. We probably get about 7 girls and a DJ girl. That means there's 12 of us. Let's say you order beer. Usually, if you order a dozen beers, you get 6 for free. A dozen beers costs about 420RMB. In the 4-7 hours you spend in the KTV are you guys gonna have 1.5 beers each??? Of course not. Wine typically costs about 200RMB a bottle and it's usually buy 2 get 1 free. Again, 3 bottles of wine for a dozen people.... not going to last very long. If you guys are whiskey drinkers, a bottle is about 600-800 but you might get a fake. Oh yeah, whiskey is also usually buy 2 get 1 free. If you don't drink everything you purchased in one sitting, they'll hold it for you until the next time you come.
As for BBS, you don't have to say a single word except maybe "duo shao qian?" "how much?" You basically point at the one you like. If you don't like any, just shake your head and leave. Unlike other places, the custom in CP is to give the mommy a down payment, usually 50 or 100RMB depending on the place.
You just tell mama or manager to bring in more girls that can speak English. But their definition of "Can speak English" is different from us, their definitions: They can say "Hello" & "How are You?" = Can speak English, anything beyond that = Can speak English well!
Enjoy!
AG
I remember the first time I was in Shenzhen.... about 13 years ago. I got taken to a big KTV somewhere. Since back then, my Mandarin was non-existent, the people I was with tried really hard to get me a girl who can speak some English. The best they managed (out of maybe 500 girls) was one who could say, "what's your name?" "dance please?" "cheers," and "thank you." If I said anything more than "ok" or "thank you," I just got a puzzled look.
As for westerners visiting Dongguan it is a bad idea. It is ver dangerous now.
Stay away be warned!Why so dangerous Des? A one line post like this makes people think why. I have been reading the forum more that I write in the forum. I have had some rude experiences in China, but none that my life was in danger. Was my wallet in danger? , yes.
I did not have the forum when I went to China for my first time in 2004. If I did know about the forum, maybe I would not have made all the mistakes that I made. Please explain the danger. Thank you
Stay safe Desnudo1
Well, i have taken a private transport from Zhuhai to CP and CP to Zhuhai. It's only RMB450 from ZH to CP and RMB400 from CP to ZH. It's normally an MPV. If you have about 4 bros then its RMB100+ per person. Cheap n comfortable. They will pick u up from your hotel and send you to the doorstep of your destination. However you will need to book through an taiwanese agent in CP. It takes about 1 hour 45 minutes if on MPV and 1.5 hour if by car. So far, it's only two of us in the MPV. The agent does booking for ktvs and hotels in CP too. They give a better rate than if you walk in.Biglauda, able to pass the contact for the MPV and private car? Would like to travel from CP to Zhuhai Gongbei.
One Wing Low
07-06-07, 01:06
AG,
You may be kidding around with me, but your kidding may mislead others to way underestimate chinese girls' English capability.
In fact, the 2 KTV girls in SZ and DG both spoke excellent English, were able to carry on long conversations with me whenever I was not on top banging them, and were surprisingly honest in introducing me to some of the true tastes of life in China, very interesting.
The best way to travel is to leave the wifeys home. Go with your best drinking and mongering buddies. Have a few English-speaking soft, sweet, sexy girls to show you the local scenes and some real passionate interactions in and out of bed ...
Who's the stupid loser who said love cannot be bought????
You just tell mama or manager to bring in more girls that can speak English. But their definition of "Can speak English" is different from us, their definitions: They can say "Hello" & "How are You?" = Can speak English, anything beyond that = Can speak English well!
Enjoy!
AG
OldAsiaHand
07-06-07, 03:13
Gentlemen,
I just want to add my 2 fen of wisdom on the above subject. Let's face it, all the mamas will do anything and say anything to sell their girls. They are very clever at this. After they get to know you and your preferences better, they will even tell you what you want to hear. All the girls have big racks and "pink color", will do BBBJCIM, used to work at a sauna, just started yesterday, and provide the best service in all of CP. At the end of the day, it is hit or miss, regardless of the mama. And, every monger's take is different on the service depending on their preferences.
Sandy: Many of us do not like her approach. She is just too aggressive with the holding you down, grabbing you, biting you and the obnoxious DFK. I have not had very good experiences with her girls either.
Lily: Many of her girls were excellent service providers, but I've had bad apples from her, as well. Anyway, she is history as has been posted.
Baby (Angel?): She is a conniving little thing. I have never had a good one from her, nor her sister JoJo. She is always misrepresenting her girls to me.
Hua Hua: She has been pretty good to me. I probably do more of her girls than any other mama, but her quality is sliding recently.
Green Door: I hate the way they close the door on you in the room in the middle. All the mamas in that room are way too aggressive. They never want to give you a name card and insist that you take the girl on the spot.
5th Floor KTV: The mamas in these 2 rooms are OK. They do not pressure you as much. Their approach is much more subtle.
2nd Floor KTV: I like the mama we deal with at this place. She is usually pretty straight about her girls and the service. She generally has the best looking talent lately.
Baby: Although I have to break my golden rule to cross the road, I've had some pretty good service out of Baby lately. The mamas and papa there are fairly low key, as well. If you like tall girls, there are always a few at this place.
Swan Lake: They are so aggressive in this place that I do not want to even go anymore. And, IMHO, the overall quality of the talent is not that great anyway. My old squeeze 42D is now a mama at this place.
Hui Mei shops: With the exception of the hotel (I've had good experience there), the other shop mamas always pull the lock me in tactic. I understand that these shops will soon be history in the path of redevelopment.
In conclusion, I reckon it does not matter which mama you deal with. It is best to look for signals and use your own judgement and not listen to the mama's pitch. You will still get your fair share of good and bad.
Just my POV.
OAH
Ace Gallant
07-06-07, 03:19
AG,
You may be kidding around with me, but your kidding may mislead others to way underestimate chinese girls' English capability.
I think you had the two brightest English speaking girls in China. Although 80% of the people took English as a subject for two years in Junior High School, 99% of them had either forgotten their English due to lack of practice or they just did not do well during their English classes. In my experience with KTVs girls 99% of them do not speak more than 10 sentences of English. Of course there are some exceptions where in the bigger cities like Shanghai, Beijing and Shenzhen, where the girls have better chances to use English in their conversation, we will get more girls that are more well verse in English.
Another fact is that most of these girls are just drop outs from High school, how well would you believe that they have good English skills?
There is a common problem in China; a lot of University grads know how to write good English but when they are told to speak, 99% of them can't pronounce what they had written. Of course, remember the fact that only 0.01% of the KTV went to college. The only Chinese that I term as having good English are those who had come back from studies overseas. But if they did that, why would they be working in KTV?
Like I had said; you will get limited choice of girls if you asked for English speaking only girls in a line up.
IMHO: I had never come across any KTV girl with perfect or good English.
Enjoy!
AG
Old Mean Dog
07-06-07, 04:16
IMHO: I had never come across any KTV girl with perfect or good English.
Enjoy!
AG
Agree wit you, maybe OWL was just lucky enough to find 2 girls in that 1% that speak good English. Why would a girl who speaks really good English need or want to work in a KTV when she can have a much more socially acceptable and higher paying job doing something more legitimate.
Jojo in CP speaks "fair" English and I have had a few girls out there that could speak some basic English, but all of them are far from having good oral skills (hell, even their oral sex skills are nothing to brag about).
-SZE
Ace Gallant
07-06-07, 04:57
(hell, even their oral sex skills are nothing to brag about).
-SZE
Oh, SZ, you just reminded me; I've forgotten the fact that too much Oral Sex could be the cause of them having twisted tongue which cause them not been able to pick up good English speaking skills!
:D :D :D
Enjoy!
AG
Oh, SZ, you just reminded me; I've forgotten the fact that too much Oral Sex could be the cause of them having twisted tongue which cause them not been able to pick up good English speaking skills!
:D :D :D
Enjoy!
AG
AG/SZ
if i want to hear a chinese gal speaks good english why the hell i want to go to DG. I should just stay home and listen to the wifey...When my wife talks, i try to pretend not to hear it.
I prefer to hear them sucking my stick or hear them slurping on my ass. Them girls knowing too much english could give you a big f*ckin headache. Imagine them talking all day/night long. I prefer them to have different oral skill than to learn to speak english.
Could you imagine what your life will be if your significant other had a totally killer body, looks, a perfect 10+ but just happens to be a total deaf mute, and you found and rescue her from an orphanage. Imagine a day without family politics.. ahh..
I just spent all of yesterday at a family 4th of July barbeque and listening to family issues and politics is just giving me a mega headache. I can not wait to be back in China in about a month.
best
Ace Gallant
07-06-07, 05:50
AG/SZ
if i want to hear a chinese gal speaks good english why the hell i want to go to DG. I should just stay home and listen to the wifey...When my wife talks, i try to pretend not to hear it.
I prefer to hear them sucking my stick or hear them slurping on my ass. Them girls knowing too much english could give you a big f*ckin headache. Imagine them talking all day/night long. I prefer them to have different oral skill than to learn to speak english.
Could you imagine what your life will be if your significant other had a totally killer body, looks, a perfect 10+ but just happens to be a total deaf mute, and you found and rescue her from an orphanage. Imagine a day without family politics.. ahh..
I just spent all of yesterday at a family 4th of July barbeque and listening to family issues and politics is just giving me a mega headache. I can not wait to be back in China in about a month.
best
BN,
You sounds like a troubled man! Yah, I know what you are saying; I've been through those before.
Even now, with those freebies or GF I am having, I sometimes wish that they could stop nagging or talking about how hard their life is when they are back in their hometown, how hard their families is living, how they wish they have lots of money blah blah blah... I wish they can shutup or I'll have to stuff my dick into their mouth and make them shutup! That's what I get when I speak too many different types of Chinese dialects!
However, there are also times how a little bedside chat can add to a nice GFE sex session.
As for OWL, I think he is looking into more of a chat bar girls type. Where the girls will listern and talk to him to make him happy. That is why he wants English speaking girls.
Enjoy!
AG
One Wing Low
07-06-07, 07:46
Instead of generalizing about Chinese girls, I have a few tel numbers of English-speaking KTV girls in SZ and DG. Dont know how long they would be good for.
Any bros needing sexy English-speaking girls, just let me know. Would be glad to provide.
Dan Hawaii
07-06-07, 09:54
AG,
You may be kidding around with me, but your kidding may mislead others to way underestimate chinese girls' English capability.
In fact, the 2 KTV girls in SZ and DG both spoke excellent English, were able to carry on long conversations with me whenever I was not on top banging them, and were surprisingly honest in introducing me to some of the true tastes of life in China, very interesting.
The best way to travel is to leave the wifeys home. Go with your best drinking and mongering buddies. Have a few English-speaking soft, sweet, sexy girls to show you the local scenes and some real passionate interactions in and out of bed ...
Who's the stupid loser who said love cannot be bought????Do you have any contact info about these lovely girls? PM me please, I'll buy that for a dollar. Or more :)
Dan Hawaii
07-06-07, 10:00
2nd Floor KTV: I like the mama we deal with at this place. She is usually pretty straight about her girls and the service. She generally has the best looking talent lately.
OAHI believe you OAH, Do you have a name card or contact info of "2nd floor KTV". Please PM me. Really appreciate you doing all the "hard" field work. I would love to join you on your research, but unfortunately, I only have a little amount of time there.
Pointpanic
07-06-07, 12:03
[QUOTE=Santa]
You're right of course Santa. Normally, this would be very bad advice. The only reason I posted the previous is because I've been to all the KTV's Dan and Co. would possibly go to and none of them are rip off joints. They all have drink menus with prices posted and stuff. Places I've been to in that area:
Amazon
Jia Yi
Miraton
Hui Hua
Hui Mei
New Century
Lion
Crown Prince
My personal preference is for the Hui Mei KTV. I've always had fun there and I figure by now I've been there a few dozen times.
Hui Mei is fun as is P.P which is in Lion if I am not mistaken. This is Reader1234's hangout that Santa took us to. Had lots of fun with a regular provider who is now a mommy there. PM me if you want her number for quality fun.
Hi, I might be going to Dongguan city - dongcheng area in 2 weeks time.
I know most of the activities is in CP, Houjie and ChangAn and I have search the forum about Sauna in Dongcheng hotel. Does anyone know if there is KTV and good sauna in DG City? And how much would it cost? Or do I have to be on vegetarian during the trip.
Thanks
One Wing Low
07-06-07, 20:53
Besides screwing around on the road, I like to immerse in local lifestyles, so I need personal tour guides who can explain things to me.
The English-speaking KTV girls turned out to be excellent values as tour guides, and yes, excellent sex partners in bed. It's a great 2 for 1 travel deal. Some of these Chinese girls showed exquisite and genuine expressions of passion and pleasures during sex...If they were acting then they were way better actresses than most GF's I ever had.
I just loved the thrashing around in bed, the passionate noises and precious facial expressions that this girl, Shu Hue Lan from Sheraton DongGuan KTV, was making in bed. She was fairly inexperienced but really enjoyed the sex. I just loved it when she reached her climax after a long screw. Her body stiffened up; her beautiful eyes were wide opened in terror... The funny thing was, she was all over me again, asking me urgently 'Do it again, honey...' hehehe.
This girl was sexy and beautiful. I got a raging erection every time I looked at her naked body. I lifted the sheet to look at her naked body a few times at night, but let her have her full night sleep.
BN,
I wish they can shutup or I'll have to stuff my dick into their mouth and make them shutup! That's what I get when I speak too many different types of Chinese dialects!
However, there are also times how a little bedside chat can add to a nice GFE sex session.
As for OWL, I think he is looking into more of a chat bar girls type. Where the girls will listern and talk to him to make him happy. That is why he wants English speaking girls.
Enjoy!
AG
For those of you who are looking for ladies that are very girl friendly and speak english, you are much better off going to Thailand or the Philippines. The girls there will hangout with you and want to become your honey, they also give better service.
South China is predominantly chinese speakers only. The girls are very business like, they want to service you quickly, grab the money and go. Generally, the worse service is from those that speak some english, and it is extremely rare to find a chinese hooker in this area who is "conversational" in english.
Thailand and the Philippines are better for your purposes. They also have a culture of beaches and bars. South China is mostly dirty, humid and overcrowded cities. Most westerners complain about this area being boring.
It is not difficult to comprehend that 99. 999% of the CP MM population do not speak English, but it is somewhat discouraging that at least 96% of them do not even speak cantonese. At least that's my finding in the past 2 1/2 years. Of the 40-50 that I had, only two can speak cantonese, and one of them was a Vietnamese. Isn't CP a part of Canton?
Ace Gallant
07-07-07, 02:53
Besides screwing around on the road, I like to immerse in local lifestyles, so I need personal tour guides who can explain things to me.
The English-speaking KTV girls turned out to be excellent values as tour guides, and yes, excellent sex partners in bed. It's a great 2 for 1 travel deal. Some of these Chinese girls showed exquisite and genuine expressions of passion and pleasures during sex...If they were acting then they were way better actresses than most GF's I ever had.
I just loved the thrashing around in bed, the passionate noises and precious facial expressions that this girl, Shu Hue Lan from Sheraton DongGuan KTV, was making in bed. She was fairly inexperienced but really enjoyed the sex. I just loved it when she reached her climax after a long screw. Her body stiffened up; her beautiful eyes were wide opened in terror... The funny thing was, she was all over me again, asking me urgently 'Do it again, honey...' hehehe.
This girl was sexy and beautiful. I got a raging erection every time I looked at her naked body. I lifted the sheet to look at her naked body a few times at night, but let her have her full night sleep.
What you mentioned and had used are Pro-guides or Pro-translators. May be their business was bad and they work part time in the KTV as well. There are many of these "guides" available in the bigger cities like Shenzhen or commercialized or industrial cities (with foreign investments) like Houjie, etc. They are College student who studied Business Studies or Business English as their major. During their school holidays they reckon they can make a little more money by providing such services as tour guides, translators and of course add a little more on the Full service to complete the package.
On the other end of the story is that you have to prepare to pay more for their services. Some may even ask for 2,000 per day and that is in US$ NOT rmb. Some examples of these girls are recently discussed in the Shanghai board. Examples: Kitty from Beijing board who recently made a trip to Shanghai, Shanghai Lily, Karen... etc etc... these girls speaks good English, (I don't think it is Perfect or excellent English level yet!)
Enjoy
AG
Old Mean Dog
07-07-07, 05:02
Besides screwing around on the road, I like to immerse in local lifestyles, so I need personal tour guides who can explain things to me.
The English-speaking KTV girls turned out to be excellent values as tour guides, and yes, excellent sex partners in bed. It's a great 2 for 1 travel deal. Some of these Chinese girls showed exquisite and genuine expressions of passion and pleasures during sex...If they were acting then they were way better actresses than most GF's I ever had.
I just loved the thrashing around in bed, the passionate noises and precious facial expressions that this girl, Shu Hue Lan from Sheraton DongGuan KTV, was making in bed. She was fairly inexperienced but really enjoyed the sex. I just loved it when she reached her climax after a long screw. Her body stiffened up; her beautiful eyes were wide opened in terror... The funny thing was, she was all over me again, asking me urgently 'Do it again, honey...' hehehe.
This girl was sexy and beautiful. I got a raging erection every time I looked at her naked body. I lifted the sheet to look at her naked body a few times at night, but let her have her full night sleep.
OWL,
Can you send me their digits, I am quite interested in knowing them as a possible business interest?
BTW: I know they say you should love yourself before you can love another, but brother, you take it to the extreme. Oh well, more power to ya and lets meet for coffee sometime.
-SZE
OldAsiaHand
07-07-07, 05:31
OWL,
You must be the luckiest guy there is. It seems that every girl you have done in China speaks English and is total GFE.
For those of us that have done too many to count, the experience is totally different. For me, GFE is less than 10% and English converstation is virtually non-existent beyond the extent of "Hello", "How are you?", "What's your name?" and "I love you".
Just my POV.
OAH
Ace Gallant
07-07-07, 06:58
OWL,
Can you send me their digits, I am quite interested in knowing them as a possible business interest?
BTW: I know they say you should love yourself before you can love another, but brother, you take it to the extreme. Oh well, more power to ya and lets meet for coffee sometime.
-SZE
Guys,
I think you all had forgotten that OWL is the big tipper. As what they said in China, "Money make the world go round". I bet with the amount of money he gave for tips, the girls would be able to pay for a 24 hours crash course to get them up and running on English.
Enjoy!
AG
AG,
I also remember there were some issues with OWL's creditability and trustworthiness. He sounds like an expert in China but we know he's not.
A claim that he was at a KTV where all the girls were naked. Some other person posted the pictures and he claimed he was there or he took the pictures himself.
For the girls that spoke great English, does he still have any of their numbers? It would be nice just to check to get some of his creditability back.
Next tipping, there was an issue with tipping almost every single person at a KTV he went to. Most people thought they took advantage of him. There were other examples of over tipping by OWL. Once foreigners come to an area, prices usually goes up for a number of reasons. Over tipping is one of them. Member, Ras, gave a good example in a resturant on why not to over tip.
Then it’s kind of funny, why was he arguing over the cost at Zhuhai. He is big tipper and a few extra dollars would not matter. I think he paid something like 250RMB when the going rate was only 200RMB. There was a big fuss about it. Unfortunately, most of the posts were deleted by the admin.
Some other member wrote about creditability. Once a member loses trustworthiness and creditability, it is very hard to get it back. On the other hand, someone wrote that the board was getting boring without some spice to it.
Transporter
07-07-07, 11:19
As infrequent as I post on this board, I am reluctant to say anything negative, .....but why would you want english speaking girls?
The general rule, (not only in China) is: if anyone there speaks english, the place is tainted.
If the people there can understand english, its time to move on....Find a differenet place, its now been spoiled.
OWL posts a lot of disinformation and frankly, I'm getting tired of correcting him all the time. Anybody who's a KTV regular knows that English speaking girls are almost non-existent. Out of 500 girls, you might find 1-2 who can say something beyond, "hello," "how are you," and "what's your name." By something beyond, I mean, "where are you from?" and "how long have you been in China?" If you're expecting anything more than that, you're gonna be sorely disappointed.
Of course that doesn't mean you can't luck out and find a girl superbly talented in language. One time a few years ago, I did meet a girl who could speak some passable English. Since that, I haven't met a single girl even close to her speaking level and I'm always asking for English speaking girls for my friends so I don't have to play translator all night.
To be honest though, even when they have girls who can speak a couple of words of English, my friends usually don't pick them because they tend to be on the not so attractive side.
Go to the fancy KTV's in SZ and DG. Their rates are about the same but the girls are of better quality.
And this statement is just wrong. In SZ, at small KTVs the going rate is 700RMB for LT. At the high end "fancy" places, it's 3-5000RMB. Even mid-range places are 1500 which is more than double the small places. Their rates are not even close to being "about the same." Even in DG, the rate at small KTVs for LT is 500RMB, at the high end ones, the model girls go for 1500RMB. That's a pretty big difference too.
I don't understand why OWL thinks he knows better than people who live here all year round. I believe OWL's been to China a few times at most and might have spent a total of 30 days here, but probably less. Contrast that to guys like AG and OAH who have been here for YEARS and been to KTV hundreds of times.
Old Mean Dog
07-07-07, 16:19
To be honest though, even when they have girls who can speak a couple of words of English, my friends usually don't pick them because they tend to be on the not so attractive side.
My turn for a theory: I believe that most girls who can speak good English are the ones who need it to support themselves (i.e. business related) and ugly girls. I think I posted this awhile back ago in the SZ thread. The beauty queens don't need or want to learn English because they have tons of rich Chinese and HK guys begging them to be their lover, whilest the ugly/common girl needs a leg up (pun intended) to bag a good man! They can't get a rich Chinese or HK guy so they shoot for a laowai and good English is their weapon of choice.
If you sit down in a Shenzhen Starbucks for a few hours and watch the people come and go, you will see the hot girls with the big shot Chinese/HK guys and when a laowai pops in, he is usually with, at best, a common looking girl.
Of course there are exceptions to the rules, because some laowai can speak very good putonghua, or they have very deep pockets and we all know that money can buy lots of things here, so both of their selection pools get larger. I have also run into some solid 7 and 8's who knew pretty good English not for business, but they enjoyed learning it, but this is a very small percentage.
It could possibly be that OWL found a KTV girl fresh out of High School, who still retained her Oral English skills, because I doubt a university grad would work in that kind of place.
-SZE
If you sit down in a Shenzhen Starbucks for a few hours and watch the people come and go, you will see the hot girls with the big shot Chinese/HK guys and when a laowai pops in, he is usually with, at best, a common looking girl.
There is one other reason this happens frequently. Non-Asians typically have different ideas about Asian beauty. For example, the Chinese prefer women to have light skin, the lighter the better until it's almost ghost white. Laowai usually don't care about that. Chinese think the double eyelid thing is attractive, especially on women, and again, laowai usually don't care. Chinese prefer women to have petite but pointed noses, laowai usually don't care if a woman has a broad nose. I could go on and on, but I'm sure you guys know what I mean.
Earlier today, I was watching a tv show where some people come and make over your house. They had on a young mixed couple, a 20-something white guy married to a 20-something Chinese woman. The guy spoke perfect Beijing Putonghua according to the girl I was with. The wife, by my girl's standards, was below average looking. She had a dark complexion, smallish eyes, broad nose, and an overbite. My girl basically said no Chinese guy would say the wife was pretty. She was also sure though, that the husband thought his wife was hot stuff and I think she's right.
One Wing Low
07-07-07, 17:05
I gave 2 tel numbers of 2 English-speaking girls to Dan Hawaii, Jasmine in SZ and Shu Hue Lan in DG. The 2 girls were probably not the best looking but I prefer sex partners I can talk to. They are a lot more attractive when they can talk to me.
I posted pics of KTV girls who stripped naked at the Donggui KTV in SZ. That was where Jasmine was working, but she was not stripping. I posted pics of the girls ganging up to strip my pants off. I think Jasmine was a semi pro who was called in for English-speaking guests. She did not know the other girls who worked there.
I posted both good and bad sexperiences in China. Not every girls were good. Some were even repulsive that I had to get rid of quickly. I tend dwell more on the good sexperiences, like Shu Hue Lan in DG and Ting Hua in SZ.
When someone starts making groundless accusations and showing bad attitudes, he just lets other people know his low-class nature. Frankly, I am disappointed in a few of these guys that I no longer care to exchange info with them.
BTW I was not a big tipper. I paid standard rates 1500 RMB in SZ and 1000 RMB in DG for overnight. These girls would stick to you like glue at those rates. I told Dan Hawaii to try to negotiate 1000 and 700 with these girls if he calls outside of KTV, as the girls dont have to pay the KTV cut.
I know quite a few college grads in SZ and Wuhan, some are very good looking and speak decent English. One guy in SZ thinks KTV girls are ugly and dirty and I should not sleep with them. He picks up better looking girls for free every night in SZ bars. He and I will cruise the bars next time I am in SZ.
He managed to score with a very good-looking girl I introduced him to. She has a BF but he finally got her to go to bed after inviting her out 3 times for dinner. Said he fucked her 3 times that night. This girl is very good looking. I chat with her regularly and think I can score with her next time.
As infrequent as I post on this board, I am reluctant to say anything negative, .....but why would you want english speaking girls?
The general rule, (not only in China) is: if anyone there speaks english, the place is tainted.
If the people there can understand english, its time to move on....Find a differenet place, its now been spoiled.
Totally agree with Transporter. If they speak english, watch your wallet and be prepared for bad service.
I did find a couple of girls in CP who were capable of having an english conversation. One was a young ktv mommie who does not fuck customers. The other was a bbs girl. She was very sweet, but her service was terrible. She obviously did not belong in a bbs.
OWL,
I'll tell you why we're suspicious. It's because you post very bad advice. I remember one post where OAH recommended that if 4 guys shook you down, to give them what they want, which is good advice. You recommended that we should kick the assailants in the nuts and then grab a pipe. Seriously, what do you think 4 guys are gonna do? Wait in line for you to kick them in the nuts one at a time? You have obviously never been in a short handed fight because if you have, you would never suggest taking on 4 guys. The reality is that they'll jump you all at once and then proceed to give you the beat down of your life.
Then you suggested that it was reasonable to give a KTV girl a 800RMB tip because she stayed with you until noon. You implied that not doing so would be cheap. You said she "earned it" by staying with you so late. That's NOT the case. Hell, most of the time I can't get rid of them before noon. I have to wake them up and tell them to go home. The reality is that the girl will hang out with you for as long as she feels like, and you don't have to tip them any more than the going rate.
As an aside, you then complained that I overtipped a 1000RMB a night KTV girl after I posted I gave her an extra 100RMB to buy her kid some toys. The reality is that a 100RMB tip is a lot more reasonable than a 800RMB tip for a 1500RMB a night KTV girl whether or not she stayed with you until noon.
Now you're telling us that if we go to KTV, we should fully expect them to have a selection of girls who will have excellent English conversation skills. Four of us have posted that is not the situation here in South China. I've heard there some private clubs in Beijing and Shanghai where they purposefully employ a large number of girls who do have excellent English speaking skills, but we're not talking about those kinds of places. The reality is that if you go to a KTV in Guangdong, the best you're likely to get is someone who can say, "nice to meet you."
I could point out a lot more instances where you make very questionable statements. At this point, I don't know whether you post this kind of stuff to confuse people on purpose or just out of ignorance. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume ignorance.
Please join the rest of us in the real world, and not this weird fantasy world you've conjured up for yourself. Until you do that, your posts are worse than worthless because they're misleading. You're just going to screw up people's expectations of what things are like in South China.
BTW, I don't need you to exchange any info with me and I strongly doubt any of the others do either...
Dan Hawaii
07-07-07, 21:42
I would just like to thank everyone who has contributed in Dan & Co endeavors to CP. To show our appreciation, Dan & Co will host a KTV Party either July 13 (Friday) or 14 (Saturday); please vote on what day you prefer.
Host = KTV room and booze, not girls. Sorry, it is BYO-BBS girls :-)
Hope to see some members there.
Dan Hawaii
07-07-07, 22:05
I gave 2 tel numbers of 2 English-speaking girls to Dan Hawaii, Jasmine in SZ and Shu Hue Lan in DG. The 2 girls were probably not the best looking but I prefer sex partners I can talk to. Not the best looking, dang! J/K buddy. I will defineately give Shu Hue Lan a call, I already emailed her, but she never replied yet. Maybe my uncle might take care of her. Yes my uncle is coming too, he is like 50 or something, but young at heart. Saw him at a hostess bar last week and told him I was going to China. He said count me in, I had to expedite (rush) his VISA. We call him "Braddah Cal".
why do some short/small guys thinks that they can take on the world. Thinking that you can take on four thugs and in the end 'kicking' them all in their nuts. Yeah, right.... you will not even get to within punching range of the thugs family jewels. You will be lucky if they do not break all of your bones.
Remember Napoleon Bonaparte, and do you know what happened to him in 'Waterloo'? just think about it. It is great to talk and boast about it, but if you are not a great gung fu master then boasting will lead to credibility problems.
Long time ago at the beginning of my career, i remember listening to a very successful 'grey haired' telling everyone in the room that working hard and credibility will lead you to success. Once you lose your credibility you are done, finish. Credibility is your greatest asset and use it and guard it wisely.
The purpose is to have fun in Dongguan and not to lose your life or sustain multiple injuries. It is not worth it to spend time in a hospital recovering from a 'bravado' move. You gain nothing. Do not tell someone you want to kick their ass when at the end of the day you are unwilling to do it. That may just [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) them off and they may take it out on your ass. It is better to tell everyone about their bad service and ripoff. You must remember that without customers to patronize them, they really have no business. Losing a couple of bucks is okay, it is better to watch them go wither away and close their doors due to lack of customers.
Lets all try to get along and not spread bad information. The purpose is to have fun for the least amount of funds.
just my pov
There has been some good discussion about English. When I was in Nanning and Guangzhou I did visit many Chinese Schools everyday. Only to inquire about teaching English. I need to be able to stay in China without leaving. I will post in "living in China" and ask other men ways to stay in China without leaving or teaching English .
Let me get to the point about English and KTV women. I did some KTV in Nanning and Guangzhou and I also did not find any women who spoke English. I prefer to tell you why they don't speak English. Maybe 80% of KTV girls are farm girls and they don't get the best of schools in China.
I hate to throw out a number of 80% when I am not really sure , but I did ask every WG (KTV or other) where she was from. They all told me the City or Town with their eyes or head down. I put my finger under her chin and ask if her Mom and Dad are farmers. 100% said yes.
Why did I mention that I visited many Schools in China? I did visit one school about 60 times over a period of 3 months. About 100 kids would surround me after school and 75% of the kids were boys. The boys spoke fair to very good English and the girls were almost always poor with English. I needed to know why this was. I ask Freddie , he was the best in English. Freddie told me that most of the girls were imported farm girls and most of the boys were locals.
China want to make English its secondary language or maybe already has done so. This will take another 10 to 20 years to see the results. China wants this for: "Business with the west ONLY". If you know China , business in the west is mostly for Chinese men.
As long as China continues to think that many of its women as second class citizens and farmers as third class citizens , there will be no shortage of WG's for us mongers. But I am sorry to say to you new guys , don't expect them to speak English for you.
I have no reason not to believe OWL , he was lucky and Dan Hawaii and Co. may reap the rewards of OWL"s luck. I have read and I am sure that some men on ISG need to stretch the truth only to stroke his ego. I struck out more times in China and paid to much for sex in China. I don't talk much about this , I protect my ego, but I or we don't need to stretch our ego with lies. The guys here a very serious and they want the facts, not the ego stuff.
Good luck to all you men in South China and stay safe Tile man
Ace Gallant
07-08-07, 06:02
got into cp with johnnyk and rasparwin late on friday evening, 8pm. dropped our luggage and fearing that the pussies supply would run dry because it was a friday and it was late, we press the taxi driver to floor his accelerator to head for yalan.
on reaching yalan, we were immediately “attacked” by the now infamous isg member molester mama “sandy” who held us at lips point into her 2nd floor bbs. all three of us were surprised by the fact that even though it was 8:30 on a friday evening, the bbs was packed with 30 odd girls. by so far the most i’d ever seen on a friday evening.
uhh… ok, i was joking about been held up by sandy at lip point
on an other note, i warned sandy about this stupid action of sitting on customers or kissing them, i told her to stop it or else i would have to pull her in and have 10 ugly man [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) her to death. guess what?? just as i was about the finish warning her, jojo came and nicely sit on my lap and wanted to kiss me even with sandy sitting next to me!!! sandy immediately told her to stop and was telling jojo (in their hometown language) about my complains. jojo first started arguing that i am not her excusive customer and so anyone can have a bite at me! but it slowly went to the fact that the whole group of us does not like this behavior as sandy explained on. it is good thing now that the mummies from sandy’s shop got this message and hopefully they will stop all these nonsense.
here, i would need you guys to monitor the situation for me as i am not a resident of cp; let see if sandy or any of the mummies stop this nonsense of kissing and pinning us down to the couch. if it persist… something really have to be done about it.
story continues:
all of us ended up with a girl but we move on for the grand tour of all the yalan bbss. most of the bbss are well stock will girls even at this time of friday. there must be at least 30 – 40 girls at the baby’s bbs, 20 girls at the 2nd floor bbss on top of the restaurant opposite the yalan hotel, 20 – 30 each in all three of the 5th floor bbs (commonly known as the “first shop”) … the mummies all told me that it was a slow night and a slow weekends to start with. i guess this is the aftermath of the previous week long weekend in hong kong. those that want to be here, were here already.
the night started with both johnny and ras each having their first bang for the start of the weekend while i stayed at the lobby of miraton flirting with the staff. a quick dinner followed after 1hour hour later with ras while johnny got himself stuck with a freebie which he picked up in his last few trip to cp…. both ras and i were laughing at him on the fact that why anyone would be stuck with freebie in a town like cp. it is like the old saying in chinese, “why give up the whole forest because of one tree?” however the actually while laughing at johnny it kind of reminded me how stupid i was to have got myself stuck to a regular girlfriend (the assistant mama from yalan) 2 to 3 months back. at that time, i had to avoid staying in cp and put myself up in alternate towns near cp just because i wanted to avoid her but yet hang with friend from isg! fortunately i had sent her back to her hometown and i am a freeman now. so let this be a lesson to all of you mongers; if you do not like be sleeping with the same girl every night in cp, having a regular freebie gf is a bad bad ideal!
anyways: after dinner, ras went off to yalan again for another girl, while i retire to my room having sandy sending over the girl i had booked earlier. i do not want to do the walk of shame as that reduce my chances of doing the miraton’s staff :d. sandy as usual did not disappoint me with her girl recommendation. as a matter of fact, nowadays with mama baby or sandy, they kind of know the type of girls i like, and i do not even need to go the bbs it view the girls. i make the bbs come to me! they could pick the type girl they knew i would like and send them over. i would only go to the yalan just to accompany the south china crew.
the night ended with me shagging the girl all night long till early morning 7am! although she is a new comer and had only fucked 5 times before, she seems to be very willing to learn and is very obedient, followed all instructions i gave her. and me; again as usual, ended up as the sex teacher. dam!!! she is a good fuck as i had 4 pops over the 6 hours with her before her cuddling up on to sleep for 2 hours when we were awoken up by ras calling for breakfast meeting!
to be continued……
enjoy!
ag
Old Mean Dog
07-08-07, 06:02
OWL,
You are so "wishy-washy" and this post is, yet again, another prime example:
This girl was sexy and beautiful. I got a raging erection every time I looked at her naked body. I lifted the sheet to look at her naked body a few times at night, but let her have her full night sleep.
Now that you have been challenged, you recend your first post to this:
The 2 girls were probably not the best looking but I prefer sex partners I can talk to.
I agree with everyone else, your information is misleading. I knew another guy on the boards like you, he came to China maybe once or twice a year for a week to do business, yet he proclaimed himself to be an expert!! He knew one high priced KTV and one HJ Massage joint.
Guys like OAH, AG, Moody, Wadman, Laowai123, Batman, Johnnykon, LoveAsia, Weelock and others, to include myself, live here day in and day out. I read your posts and other posts from sex tourists with deep pockets and take them with a grain of salt.
Maybe you should quit trying to compete with these guys because all your doing is giving out disinformation. If you were to give accurate and up-to-date reports, it would hold a lot more weight and give you some credibility.
Regards,
SZE
Ace Gallant
07-08-07, 06:22
OWL,
You are so "wishy-washy" and this post is, yet again, another prime example:
Now that you have been challenged, you recend your first post to this:
I agree with everyone else, your information is misleading. I knew another guy on the boards like you, he came to China maybe once or twice a year for a week to do business, yet he proclaimed himself to be an expert!! He knew one high priced KTV and one HJ Massage joint.
Guys like OAH, AG, Moody, Wadman, Laowai123, Batman, Johnnykon, LoveAsia, Weelock and others, to include myself, live here day in and day out. I read your posts and other posts from sex tourists with deep pockets and take them with a grain of salt.
Maybe you should quit trying to compete with these guys because all your doing is giving out disinformation. If you were to give accurate and up-to-date reports, it would hold a lot more weight and give you some credibility.
Regards,
SZE
Ok... I am not taking side on anyone here; but I just want to voice my POV:
I wouldn't call OWL a Bullshitter like some one on the board we all knew. OWL did posted some information that is correct and made sense. Some of the information are only correct to his own POV. However the fact that when he had been challanged; he would withdrew back to be a little bit more humble trying to explain or cover up for his realised mistakes, that would make those post misleading especially to a newbie on the board. Some of the mis-leading information or situation may be just his POV and a projection of what he would do if he was to face with such situations. He may have not experience it in person or may had just heard of it from someone.
OWL, on this situations, most of the time you are thinking on the very positive side. "The ideal" case; but in China; most of the time, it is not so ideal. There are many cases when it always turn out to be not so "ideal".
On the competition side; Like what I had said in the "Living in China" threads and what I had posted many times before, it is not neccessary to prove ourselves here on ISG. However I like to make a correction: Although we do not need to prove ourselves or gain crediblity, Creditblity once lost, cannot be restored.
Enjoy!
AG
Old Mean Dog
07-08-07, 07:04
Yes my uncle is coming too, he is like 50 or something, but young at heart. Saw him at a hostess bar last week and told him I was going to China. He said count me in, I had to expedite (rush) his VISA. We call him "Braddah Cal".
Just to get you stoked about your trip, I kindly refer you to this short video and try to keep both hands on the keyboard when watching it!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a15aHhcFiq4
See ya soon,
SZE
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Guys like OAH, AG, Moody, Wadman, Laowai123, Batman, Johnnykon, LoveAsia, Weelock and others, to include myself, live here day in and day out. I read your posts and other posts from sex tourists with deep pockets and take them with a grain of salt.
Hello Szexpat:
Thanks for the compliment. Actually I don’t work nor live in China and then I'm not an expert. I only travel to China for a few months in a year. I do consider myself a Senior Member by the length of time I have been a member. I do get around Southern China. For my last trip that just ended, I visited:
Macau - Best place for mongering but expensive
Zhuhai - Looks like LHL road is back in action, 200RMB ST
Shui Kuo - Glad my little hotel is back in business, 100RMB ST
Kaiping - Visited my favorite cheap sauna and some friends.40-70 for room and 100 to 150 for girl.
Taishan - Visited a girl I know and some friends
Enping - Visit a friend I meet last yr. Stayed at “Golden Spring Hotel”.
There’s action at 130RMB in the hotel.
Chang Ping - Was there for a few weeks. Most time spent was at CP
Dongguan City - Visited a girl I know there
Humen - Didn’t stay too long. Just looking. It’s 130RMB and 150 for
takeout
Shenzhen - Wanted to checkout Sha Tsui again and visit somebody.
Sad to see Shenzhen it is not the same. Cabs are expensive in this town.
Hong Kong - Wow, a few SW on Shanghai Road at 11PM. Was looking
for X-DVD movies on Temple Street. There some for sale
but you cannot pick.
I usually make a loop. Starting first in Macau, then ending in Hong Kong when departing. Therefore, it’s not that bad traveling. I don’t like staying in one city too long because I get bored. Like, when I was in CP I got bored. In CP, I saw mostly the same girls day after day. I left town and came back a few weeks later for new girls.
Place missed, xiachuang islands. Was told it's was a wasted of time and the prices has gone up. Went to one island last year, Shangchuan island. It's more of a family restort island but I did see some girls sitting around in a few hotels. Unfortunately, I was with a family with kids and we left at 4PM. It was too early to tell if it was a good place for mongering. Was told to go to the the other island, xiachuang for girls and fun.
Ace Gallant
07-08-07, 09:46
Hello Szexpat:
That’s for the compliment. Actually I don’t work nor live in China and not an expert. I only travel to China for a few months in a year. I do consider myself a Senior Member by the length of time I have been a member. I do get around. For my last trip that just ended, I visited:
Macau - Best place for mongering but expensive
Zhuhai - Looks like LHL road is back in action
Shui Kuo - Glade my little hotel is back in business
Kaiping - Visited my favorite cheap sauna and some friends
Taishan - Visited a girl I know and some friends
Enping - Visit a friend I meet last yr. Stayed at “Golden Spring Hotel”.
There’s action at 130RMB in the hotel.
Chang Ping - Was there for a few weeks. Most time spent was at CP
Dongguan City - Visited a girl I know there
Humen - Didn’t stay too long. Just looking. It’s 130RMB and 150 for
takeout
Shenzhen - Wanted to checkout Sha Tsui again and visit somebody.
Sad to see Shenzhen it is not the same.
Hong Kong - Wow, a few SW on Shanghai Road at 11PM. Was looking
for X-DVD movies on Temple Street. There some for sale
but you cannot pick.
I usually make a loop. Starting first in Macau, then ending Hong Kong when departing. Therefore, it’s not that bad traveling. I don’t like staying in one city too long because I get bored. Like, when I was in CP I got bored. In CP, I saw mostly the same girls day after day. I left town and came back a few weeks later for new girls.
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Was thinking about coming back around mid Dec 2007. Looked at the prices for airline tickets. Wow, it's around 1400USD to 1700USD. It might be too expensive for me during this time.
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Ace Gallant
07-08-07, 14:19
the day started with a good breakfast meeting with ras. johnnyk decided to stay in his room and continue to be raped by his freebie…oops...! sorry johnny… but i woundn't bare the pain to see you been controlled by a girl!
after breakfast, ras and i proceed to hui mei foot massage for our hour of foot massage by no. 123 and no. 216. ras got interested with his girl when he spotted a love bite on the neck of no. 216 and asked if these girls can be bought out? the answer was “yes” you buy their hours which cost them 45rmb per hour. but that is if want some extra time with your girl, bring them for lunch, dinner and anything fully legitimate. anything more… you have to follow the rules of mongering. i also told ras about the fact the i did successfully done 2 of these girls in the past but it is not until after a few meetings, a few buying them out or/and a few lunch and dinners. also i did manage to made the former no. 62 quit, and came to shanghai to be my gf now. (of course, she is my potential future wife and she is now back in her hometown to take care of her sick mother). i will stop here as it is beginning to sound like i am bragging but the message is, if you follow the rules of mongering, anything is possible; china is a land of opportunity! when the hour is up, i proceed to embarrass no. 216 by telling her to put something on her neck to cover up her little love gift! (i am such a bad ass!!!) but this is just one of my tactics to create an impression…. i bet now she will really remember ras and i!
we headed back to the hotel, met johnnyk (who finally managed to ditch his freebie for a few hours!) just enough to get him some time at the gym. reader123 joint us shortly and we headed for yalan at 3pm for our first round of the day. bloody hell… are there nothing else better to do in cp man????
upon arriving at the bbs in yalan area… we noticed there is only a fraction of the number of girls available as compared to the night before. now why it is so???? ras, reader, jk settle on to their first kill of the day and headed back to miraton. me, as usual been not an afternoon fuck guy, retreated to miraton hotel to flirt with the girls at the front desk, business center and lobby bar!
after dinner another round of yalan which brought another kill for raz and yet again, not as many girls as the day before. our third round of the day started late at 2230 with mummies at the yalan wondering why they are seeing us for the third time within a short period of 9 hours. after scouting around raz settled for a cuties from sandy’s shop while johnnyk and i decided the try out the bbs on wheels. on arrival at the location a* we were approached by a mummy who wanted to bring us to some location in which we declined but instead we asked her to bring the merchandize to our location. i told her that we know they will come on the van. on hearing that we are familiar with the “system” she proceeds to call in the “meow mobil.” = mm (that’s the code name johnnyk and i made up and decided to contribute to the group) :d. in 5 mins a familiar van with tinted glass arrived, johnnyk was exclaimed “that can’t be it!” (upon the sight of two below 1x years old kids sitting in the front passenger seat. however mummy lead us directly to it. on opening the door on the side, it reveals 5 cuties in the back while those two kids were peeping from the front. jokingly i said to johnnyk: “no! look at the back and not the front seats!” that cause a burst of laugher from within the van and the driver nicely said: “these two are my kids”.
man!!! they start young learning the trade of selling from their dad! anyways… johnnyk was contemplating between an older looking cutie and one that is slightly younger but much cuter. i recommend him to take older looking one because something tells me that she will provide a better service. johnnyk thought so too. price was 150 st and 400 lt. although mummy tried to tell us 200 st and 500 lt, i told her off that we know the price and without argument she agreed. back to hotel we went. johnnyk had his fun while i await my pre-booked girl.
when my girl finally turn up at 1:30am, she was complaining that it was late and she can do an st only because she is a “private dish” (mistress) and her ‘husband” is in town. i told her to shutup if she knows that her husband is in town why she even bothers to be at the bbs to sell herself? throughout the service she was rushing the act and thus i was pissed and therefore i intentionally took my time and hump her for a long time. by the time it hit the 30 minute mark, she was complaining of the “long time taken for me to cum” again and she proceeded to try and bj me to cum. she gave up after another 15 mins and said that she had enough, asked me for her money and wanted to leave. i refused to pay her and in turn, call mama baby. woke her up from her sleep, told her the whole story and baby was apologetic, told me that i do not need to pay her, spoke to her as she will be giving her the mama portion of the money. at this point, i thought that it is fair because i did fucked her already and thus i let her off with the promise from baby she will make it up for me the next time. this must be the first occasion that i have a bad one from mama baby. just as i was going to sleep, i received a sms from johhnyk telling me the girl her had was fantastic!
breakfast meeting had johnnyk telling us the great story of the fantastic girl he had and all three of us parted with cp at noon time.
a*: location to locate the meow mobil: between virgin hotel and miraton hotel. at the corner after the chinese restaurant and the local seafood restaurant with those fish tanks outside. the mummies would hang around near the side street which is the exit of the miraton hotel's carpark.
guess where we thought of the name meow mobil?
enjoy!
ag
Old Mean Dog
07-08-07, 15:41
After scouting around Raz settled for a cuties from Sandy’s shop while JohnnyK and I decided the try out the BBS on wheels. On arrival at the location A* we were approached by a mummy who wanted to bring us to some location in which we declined but instead we asked her to bring the merchandize to our location. I told her that we know they will come on the Van. On hearing that we are familiar with the “system” she proceeds to call in the “Meow Mobil.” = MM (That’s the code name JohnnyK and I made up and decided to contribute to the group) :D. In 5 mins a familiar van with tinted glass arrived, Johnnyk was exclaimed “That can’t be it!” (upon the sight of two below 1X years old kids sitting in the front passenger seat. However mummy lead us directly to it. On opening the door on the side, it reveals 5 cuties in the back.
A*: Location to locate the Meow Mobil: Between Virgin Hotel and Miraton Hotel. At the corner after the Chinese restaurant and the local seafood restaurant with those fish tanks outside. The mummies would hang around near the side street which is the exit of the Miraton hotel's carpark.
Guess where we thought of the name Meow Mobil?
Enjoy!
AG
AG,
Though I would love to give you credit for the "Pie Wagon", Actually Gentilman Jim and I found that way back during the Chinese New Year and it has since been called the Pie Wagon (i.e. Pussy Pie), if you read my reports, you will see we get take-out from there all the time and it is now our #1 BBS, even if it is on wheels.
They actually stay between the Virgin and the Lucky and there is a mommy in front of both of these hotels that calls it over. I don't even have to do a tour of CP, since I stay at the Lucky, I just stand outside the front door, the mommy sees me and calls the van over. I have a regular girl from there I named Lisa, not real pretty, but young and great GFE.
By the way, there is actually two vans that do this, both silver. Wadman can vouch for them, as one wanted to charge us a gas fee to come into town while the other one was readily available.
I'll be out there on the 12th to meet Dan Hawaii and will certainly take a piece from the Pie Wagon one of those nights.
-SZE
AG,
Though I would love to give you credit for the "Pie Wagon", Actually Gentilman Jim and I found that way back.I will be staying in the "Lucky Hotel" area next month for a week or so, if possible, can you please tell me:
1) is the price 150/400
2) girl quality, quantity and service
3) what's their normal operating hours, from what time
4) are the two wagons close by each other
Your response will be greatly appreciated, I sometimes feel too embarassed to tour their outlets with 20-30 girls looking straight at you. If the girl quality is good. This may be perfect for me. Thanks.
Ace Gallant
07-08-07, 16:45
AG,
Though I would love to give you credit for the "Pie Wagon", Actually Gentilman Jim and I found that way back during the Chinese New Year and it has since been called the Pie Wagon (i.e. Pussy Pie), if you read my reports, you will see we get take-out from there all the time and it is now our #1 BBS, even if it is on wheels.
They actually stay between the Virgin and the Lucky and there is a mommy in front of both of these hotels that calls it over. I don't even have to do a tour of CP, since I stay at the Lucky, I just stand outside the front door, the mommy sees me and calls the van over. I have a regular girl from there I named Lisa, not real pretty, but young and great GFE.
By the way, there is actually two vans that do this, both silver. Wadman can vouch for them, as one wanted to charge us a gas fee to come into town while the other one was readily available.
I'll be out there on the 12th to meet Dan Hawaii and will certainly take a piece from the Pie Wagon one of those nights.
-SZE
I don't know when you guys will stop this thing about gaining credits. To me; I don't care. In fact as I had mentioned to you guys sometime back, it had got me into trouble. This is the whole reason why a lot of wankers had appeared on ISG. It is really that important who get the credits?
You are right that they actually hang around outside lucky hotel but the reason why I mention the other location is because it had not been mentioned before and somehow; Miraton has become the un-official ISG hotel already. So, the location is nearer to Miraton. In fact for those who are staying in Virgin hotel or Hui mei you don't even have to go all the way to Lucky hotel or Miraton. There is 2 mummies (one of them named Xiao Hua) near the entence of HuiMei who are also runners for the Meow Mobil. I think I had mentioned in one of my post that after some of the BBS in the alley behind Huimei had closed; a number of girls had been taken into the Meow Mobil. I think they had given us so much convenient. Why go to the BBS? Have them come to us!
However, there are more than 2 Vans doing this. I had noticed that they switch Vans on different days. Maybe that is to avoid detection by the cops? The Van that wadman took the girl from was a smaller van just like those Van-taxi. While the one JohnnyK and I took from is a bigger MPV like van. Both of them are Sliver. There is also another Van that I notice that is Grey with two blue stripes on the sides of the van; this one is the medium size van.
I think the Van drivers are closely tied to the mummies because I had tried to ask the drivers for their cell# so that I can call them directly, they had declined by saying "It is easier to ask the mummies to call them because they could be driving". Both of the two drivers I had asked, made the same statement.
However; I think just like girls from any BBS, the quality of service you get from the Meow Mobil depends on the girls. I remembered Wadman complained about his girl but JohnnyK said his is great!
Enjoy!
AG
BTW: I seem to like the name; Meow Mobil rather than the Pie Wagon better, not because that we invented it, but because the Shanghai gang uses Meow Meow in place of Pussy. We use Meow when we are talking in presence of other girls. Also Meow Mobil sounds cute.
Pointpanic
07-08-07, 18:25
I would just like to thank everyone who has contributed in Dan & Co endeavors to CP. To show our appreciation, Dan & Co will host a KTV Party either July 13 (Friday) or 14 (Saturday); please vote on what day you prefer.
Host = KTV room and booze, not girls. Sorry, it is BYO-BBS girls :-)
Hope to see some members there.
Dan, you might consider the Hui Mei or PP KTV for your party. The costumes at Hui Mei are interesting. You had better go there a day before the party to get a room because the weekends are filled with mongers from Hong Kong.
Dan Hawaii
07-08-07, 22:54
Dan, you might consider the Hui Mei or PP KTV for your party. The costumes at Hui Mei are interesting. You had better go there a day before the party to get a room because the weekends are filled with mongers from Hong Kong.I keep asking the board what is the name of a certain hotel and KTV. All I know is that I stayed there the last time I went and want to go again. Was nice and cheap but was a ways from the main strip. Here is what I remember.
The hotel theme was like the Venetian Hotel, Las Vegas. They dressed up like old style Venice, with hats with feathers in them.
It was on a 90 degree street bend, not on the corner, but on the outer part of the bend.
Was down the street from a nightclub/discotech, my HK budy made it sound like, "Sundae" (like the ice cream. ""you eat, I-scream? "" hahaha), or "Cindy".
The hotel and KTV was on the same property, but the building was separated by a small driveway/car park. The KTV has a stage for shows too.
I thought it was the Versailles, but I looked at the map, and Versailles is not on a street bend? Can anyone help me out with a name?
Pointpanic
07-09-07, 00:36
Shanghai Meow Meow is cute but in ChangPing, "Pie Wagon" is already established venue! Just joking. Has some wonderful pies late at night after sending KTVs girls packing. Mommies knew what I was looking for in no nonsense action at 150 rate. If the vans aren't there just ask the Mommies and within minutes they are there. All were mei nu and outstanding service. Nothing like having it delivered to your door. Opening the silver van door can take one's breath away. Very difficult to choose. Even had the girls vote on who was to go with me once and their decision was excellent!
Waikikibob
I don't know when you guys will stop this thing about gaining credits. To me; I don't care. In fact as I had mentioned to you guys sometime back, it had got me into trouble. This is the whole reason why a lot of wankers had appeared on ISG. It is really that important who get the credits?
You are right that they actually hang around outside lucky hotel but the reason why I mention the other location is because it had not been mentioned before and somehow; Miraton has become the un-official ISG hotel already. So, the location is nearer to Miraton. In fact for those who are staying in Virgin hotel or Hui mei you don't even have to go all the way to Lucky hotel or Miraton. There is 2 mummies (one of them named Xiao Hua) near the entence of HuiMei who are also runners for the Meow Mobil. I think I had mentioned in one of my post that after some of the BBS in the alley behind Huimei had closed; a number of girls had been taken into the Meow Mobil. I think they had given us so much convenient. Why go to the BBS? Have them come to us!
However, there are more than 2 Vans doing this. I had noticed that they switch Vans on different days. Maybe that is to avoid detection by the cops? The Van that wadman took the girl from was a smaller van just like those Van-taxi. While the one JohnnyK and I took from is a bigger MPV like van. Both of them are Sliver. There is also another Van that I notice that is Grey with two blue stripes on the sides of the van; this one is the medium size van.
I think the Van drivers are closely tied to the mummies because I had tried to ask the drivers for their cell# so that I can call them directly, they had declined by saying "It is easier to ask the mummies to call them because they could be driving". Both of the two drivers I had asked, made the same statement.
However; I think just like girls from any BBS, the quality of service you get from the Meow Mobil depends on the girls. I remembered Wadman complained about his girl but JohnnyK said his is great!
Enjoy!
AG
BTW: I seem to like the name; Meow Mobil rather than the Pie Wagon better, not because that we invented it, but because the Shanghai gang uses Meow Meow in place of Pussy. We use Meow when we are talking in presence of other girls. Also Meow Mobil sounds cute.
Just to get you stoked about your trip, I kindly refer you to this short video and try to keep both hands on the keyboard when watching it!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a15aHhcFiq4
See ya soon,
SZEHere's more :)
Chinese girl [Shanghai girl - 浦東] Hot Dances -1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Vf1YtolBME
Chinese girl [Shenzhen girl - Magic L] Hot Dances -8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM6lOxoBvdQ
Chinese girl [Shenzhen girl - Magic L] Hot Dances -14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYipEosLvhs
Chinese girl [Shanghai girl - dian dian] hot Dances -1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhS71D0enoE
Chinese girl [Guangdong - 東莞A] Hot Dances -2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjE4EdW50NY
Chinese girl [HongKong girl - 跳舞] Hot Dances -7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPBj7pTnwnE
Chinese girl [china girl - 跳舞] hot Dances -4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9li12ynfoJU
Old Mean Dog
07-09-07, 02:58
I don't know when you guys will stop this thing about gaining credits. To me; I don't care. In fact as I had mentioned to you guys sometime back, it had got me into trouble. This is the whole reason why a lot of wankers had appeared on ISG. It is really that important who get the credits?
BTW: I seem to like the name; Meow Mobil rather than the Pie Wagon better, not because that we invented it, but because the Shanghai gang uses Meow Meow in place of Pussy. We use Meow when we are talking in presence of other girls. Also Meow Mobil sounds cute.
Brother AG,
It ain't about bragging rights or who finds what first. My wingman and I found these vans a long time ago and have since used them and I report about them frequently. Hell, I am sure LOTS of other monger's knew about these mobile BBS's well before us.
If a guy (even a wanker) makes it all the way to CP, they will easily find out where to get a shot at, it ain't rocket science and unless your blind and deaf, all you really gotta do is walk out of your hotel and the mommie's will be on you like white on rice.
Please forgive me for stepping on your report, you supply fantastic information for all of China, but this is not a "new" find, it's old now and has been reported about in the past, even if it was from a big, goofy, white guy whose putonghua is shit. Kind of like someone writing a report saying they found a "new" area behind the Walter Hotel and giving it a new name rather than the Catacombs we all know....
Call the vans whatever you like.
Reminds me of the joke; What do you call a dog with no legs? Does it really matter, he still ain't gonna come!
Happy Hunting,
-SZE
The hotel theme was like the Venetian Hotel, Las Vegas. They dressed up like old style Venice, with hats with feathers in them.
It was on a 90 degree street bend, not on the corner, but on the outer part of the bend.
Was down the street from a nightclub/discotech, my HK budy made it sound like, "Sundae" (like the ice cream. ""you eat, I-scream? "" hahaha), or "Cindy".
The hotel and KTV was on the same property, but the building was separated by a small driveway/car park. The KTV has a stage for shows too.
I thought it was the Versailles, but I looked at the map, and Versailles is not on a street bend? Can anyone help me out with a name?
Near Xindi Disco, there are only two hotels and probably, the one you stayed in was Versailles.
The other hotel is the Jiayi Hotel which is also where the Taoyuan Karaoke is located. Taoyuan Karaoke at Jiayi Hotel "stole" a major part of the active Mamis from Versailles's Amazon Karaoke and now has a bigger line up with Amazon having less than 150 girls in their line up now. They are trying to fight back with renovations and discounts but the impetus is with Taoyuan-Jiayi.
C.
Ace Gallant
07-09-07, 03:26
I will be staying in the "Lucky Hotel" area next month for a week or so, if possible, can you please tell me:
1) is the price 150/400
2) girl quality, quantity and service
3) what's their normal operating hours, from what time
4) are the two wagons close by each other
Your response will be greatly appreciated, I sometimes feel too embarassed to tour their outlets with 20-30 girls looking straight at you. If the girl quality is good. This may be perfect for me. Thanks.
Jwtong,
Please read the details of the post and search back through the threads for Pie Wagon as well. For your convenience here are some quick answers:
1) Price is 150/400, if you are a foreigner they will try you for 200/500
2) Quality is not much different from Yalan BBS. It is the girl you choose that matters. There are times when there are 10 - 12 girls all squeezed into the back of the van and there are times when there are only 2.
3) Its 24hours, get a name card from the mummies and you will be able to call her anytime.
4) There are more than two Vans hovering around the main street of CP. You don’t see any girl you like from 1st Van, they will call in the other ones for you.
Enjoy!
AG
Dan Hawaii
07-09-07, 08:21
Shanghai Meow Meow is cute but in ChangPing, "Pie Wagon" is already established venue! Just joking. Has some wonderful pies late at night after sending KTVs girls packing. Mommies knew what I was looking for in no nonsense action at 150 rate. If the vans aren't there just ask the Mommies and within minutes they are there. All were mei nu and outstanding service. Nothing like having it delivered to your door. Opening the silver van door can take one's breath away. Very difficult to choose. Even had the girls vote on who was to go with me once and their decision was excellent!
Waikikibob[/QUOTE=Noob][QUOTE] "They have to still catch up with the USA, such as Pizza, grocery, and all kind of other goodies delivery services. China only has Pie delivery, geez, why don't they expand their horizon?"
:-)
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Hi Dan Hawaii ,
It appears that you inadvertently forgot to correctly place the quote tags in this report. Usually I can fix this sort of thing before it's displayed, but I don't have a clue as to how you intended this report to appear.
The quote tags are simple to use, all you have to do is look for them in the text. Anything that you want to appear in quotes must start with "[quote]" and end with "[/quote ]". Please note the "/" forward slash in the last tag. It's that simple.
In addition, you can preview your report before it's posted, so it's easy to check if you got it right before it's displayed in The Forum.
Thanks,
Jackson
Dan Hawaii
07-09-07, 08:31
Brother AG,
Reminds me of the joke; What do you call a dog with no legs? Does it really matter, he still ain't gonna come!
Happy Hunting,
-SZEI think he's called "Matt".
But what if he is in the ocean? He's called "Sandy".
Dan Hawaii
07-10-07, 06:33
Great info Jackson, sorry I caused some "confusion". I was just trying to make a joke to lighten the mood about "Pie Wagons" or "Meow Mobils".
How's about this acronym "MPV" = "Moving Pussy Vehicle" or "Multi Pussy Vehicle"
I call it the Biddy Bus. In Ireland they sometimes call a girl a "biddy", short for Bridget.
The girls I took from those buses were low quality or gave very bad service, just like in Ireland, so I am not a fan of the Biddy Bus. You often find them parked outside the Lucky at 2am or 3am. It's too late to go hunting, so they become a convenient late night option.
I now officially name it the Biddy Bus. :D Or whatever....
Dan Hawaii
07-10-07, 18:22
Near Xindi Disco, there are only two hotels and probably, the one you stayed in was Versailles.
The other hotel is the Jiayi Hotel which is also where the Taoyuan Karaoke is located. Taoyuan Karaoke at Jiayi Hotel "stole" a major part of the active Mamis from Versailles's Amazon Karaoke and now has a bigger line up with Amazon having less than 150 girls in their line up now. They are trying to fight back with renovations and discounts but the impetus is with Taoyuan-Jiayi.
C.
I think you are right. That was my intuition too, however, I looked on earth map and it did not seem like it was on a bend of the road. I must be mistaken.
Anyways, I know it is a 2 minutes drive from that infamous 2nd floor KTV with restaurant on bottom. It is down a small side road near some factories. I'll try and look for it. I kind of like the rooms, was big with sauna type showers and had couches and a coffee table, and was cheap, around 200 rmb per night. The real attraction was the KTV, so many 7-9 girls. This was 1 or 2 years ago.
But I guess things has changed, Jia Yi KTV is on my radar. Xinde club is also on the agenda; but I think my uncle might not enjoy the blasting techno/trance music.
Anyone knows how to get some vitamin "E"? Please PM me.
Ace Gallant
07-11-07, 13:31
But I guess things has changed, Jia Yi KTV is on my radar. Xinde club is also on the agenda; but I think my uncle might not enjoy the blasting techno/trance music.
Anyone knows how to get some vitamin "E"? Please PM me.
Xing Di Disco is full of pickpockets. Foreigners are the group of people that are prime targets because they assumed that all foreigners are rich. Even the local told me that that is not a right place to be in. I been there twice and both times almost ended up in a fight.
Sorry Dan but if drugs is in your agenda, I don't think I am thrill to meet you. All I can say is Xing Di is the right place for that sort of things but you get a lot of fake ones that might kill you too!
Enjoy!
AG
Arctic and I looked. Becomes crowded well after midnight. I think the price was 200rmb for six small beers. A lot more guys than girls.
We didn't stay. Bu tai xihuan chao, xihuan anjing. = Not much like loud, like peaceful.
Dragonball999
07-12-07, 10:44
Any1 can give me the number of feifei mummy at yalan ?
I will be visiting Chashan in Dongguan and wonder if there are anyone from the forum who are active in the area. Would appreciate your contribution about any places to look for massage and FS.
Dan Hawaii
07-14-07, 02:08
finally arrived in cp. it was agrueling trip here.we first got fucked by my travel agent because our reservation was cancelled. we were scheduled to leave at 830am but finally left at 1pm. stupide travel agent, but i guess we were lucky that we could even get a same day flight out from hawaii. it was a damn long airplane ride, 8hours to japan, then 3 hour stopover, then 4 hour flight into gz. we were approached at the gz airport by a taxi person, but when we got to the car, he had no taxi markings. was kind of scared that he was going to fuck us up and steal our money. but he drove us to the edge of gz and made a bargain with a real taxi driver, just off the freeway, and we switched cars. the total price was 400 rmb to the miraton. 200 for taxi one and another 200 for the second taxi. i think the second taxi traveled longer and got the bad end of the deal, unless he was heading into cp direction anyway. i would not suggest going this route as it was kind of unsafe and scary. just proceed out the airport and wave a taxi down. you can negotiate the price, i think, because our taxi guy was bargaining with us. thanks to some replies from senior members, i stuck to my guns at 400 rmb.
finally arrived to the miraton at 1 am, july 13, crazier hooked us up, making reservations for us, but they got cancelled because we arrived later, we were suppose to arrive at 7pm july 12, but the fucken travel agent. i rememebered my hk buddy stayed in a sauna room overnight because we arrived into cp late, like 2 years ago. so i was wondering if miratonn would honor this, and they did. we requested the sauna service and asked if we could sleep there overnight, they said ok. so we paid the 530 rmb for the sauna package, if we just got the room, it would have been 409 rmb for the executive room, because that was all they had left. so an extra 121 rmb for extras was the deal of the century.
the service was more than i expected, because i did experience cp sauna at another forgotton location, 2 years ago. this service, i must say it was fucken awesome. don't know if it is just standard service, and my 2 year ago experience at the other sauna was sub par???? they had about 20 girls at 1am, not bad, from 6-7 in looks. i picked a girl that looked japanese, she had big natural d cups:
l=7
a=9
service=10
gfe= 9
ar, bbbj, sucked my whole body with hot water, titty rubbed my whole body, mish,
my friends reported similar great service with mildly different tech. niques. we were all jet lagged and woke up around 6am, only 4 hours of sleep, so we checked out at around 9am, noone called us to kick us out, so i did not know how long you can sleep there until they kick you out???? we then proceeded to check into our permanent rooms. we got 2 rooms at 10pm, and the other 2 at 12 noon. we then tried to book some reservations at the jia yi ktv, with the help of the miraton reception, they were kind of useless, as they wanted to promote their own ktv, however, the asst mananger came to help us, her name is judy, she has been at the miraton for only 3 days, so she did not know shit, but did manage to get a reservation on sunday. then we asked for a good legitamite massage and they wrote something in chinese so the taxi would know where to go. by the way, it is pretty damn hot and humid here. anyways, we ended up at:
royal clubhouse of cp
tel 86-769-83029888
email= dihaohui@yahoo.com.cn
was a nice and big clubhouse, around 3 stories high. had lots of jacuzzis, 2 snooker tables, restaurant, massages, internet lounging with foot massage, card rooms, karaoke i think, and just a lot of stuff to do. there is no club membership fee, everything is just ala-carte. we opted to go straight to massage, after showering. there are several choices of massages, thai, hong kong, and some others that i did not understand the man saying, because he had a bad accent. but thank goodness that some spoke english. don't get the thai massage, freaking hurts. next time i'm getting the hk style. my uncle and i got the thai massage and was in pain, the girls were just laughing and just kept on going. my other 2 friends, who got the hk style massage was in heaven. we did receive 4 free dishes at the restaurant, i guess you get them complimentary with the 4 massages we had. the food choices was rice soup or fried noodles. the other guy who spoke english said "notary" and "gougee", we didn't understand wtf he was saying so we just said yeah 2 of each. we paid around 1050 rmb total, for four massages of 1.5 hours in length, beers, and a couple of extra dishes at the restaurant. was kind of worth it, but my friends said it was a deal. we did not end up staying there long to take advantage of the full services that this facility had to offer, as it was friday and wanted to get some girls before the hk rush came into town. so we headed to the hui mei bbs.
thanks to the forum we found it with out even going in the wrong direction. we actually found a mommy on the corner of the hm hotel street. i did not know wtf she was saying and just nodded my head and said ok. i guess she said, "looking for some girls". i actually knew what general direction to go as i was leading the group and even the mommy behind the hui mei hotel. we went through a small door and found 20 girls with 3 momies in a room. the looks was around 5-7. one of the mommies were rude, i'm guessing, because we were not interested in any of her girls? anyone want to comment? anyways, i chose the best one,from my pov, she was a 8 in looks, and tall - 5'7". she was actually kind of hot. we paid 100rmb for the mommies and paid 100 to the girls. i told my friends about "spoiling the market" deal-lio, so i made sure they did not overpay. they did tip 10 to 20 rmb, and i told them not to, unless they provided excellent service. but that was after-the-fact. so now they know. so we went back to the hotel and did the deed:
l=8
a=7
gfe=8.5 she held my hand walking back to the miraton, and good gfe in the hotel room
service = 6
i wanted her to stay for lt because i knew of the hk rush and there was going to be slim pickings, as it was already 6pm, but she did not want the lt. i had similar experiences on my last trip here. after the st, they always come up with excuses to leave, like pms, or mommy said to come back, or some bs. might be because we can not communicate? anyone want to comment?
so i desperately was trying to book a ktv for us, i tried:
jia yi= full
hui hua = full,
2nd floor ktv= full
the i tried versailles ktv, because i had fun experiences there in the past. by the way, the miraton business center was more friendly and helpful. her name is annie, and she really helped us out in booking things for us. i wil defineately go back to see her for any other help that we may need. we got some coupons from the royal clubhouse, we asked her what they were and she said it was money discounts for the massages. she asked for one, so we gladly gave one to her as we had 5 and she was a remendous help and asset. anyways, she arranged the versailles van to pick us up fro free. we would have not known that they do pick up service. we got to the v ktv and was greated by some dj girls doing their sychronized greeting. don't know wtf they were saying, but it is always entertaining to see this as we do not have this kind of politeness in hawaii or the us. they renovated the bar/stage area, it is nicer than what i remembered it. the reception area was rearranged also. we then proceeded to the "hall of girls" and was pretty happy with the selection. my friends were in awe, as they never saw so many girls in one place, and with the kowledge that they will be guaranteed fs with anyone they chose. we were swarmed by girls and mommies, not to mention business cards, i swore i was handed atleast 10 business cards that night. we had 3 or 4 clinging to us in the hall. it was very overwhelming, i was more embarrased than anything else. i was second guessing my picks, as i was in a dreamlike state by the frantic hustle and bustle by moommies and girls. it was so surreal. it was like a feeding frenzy. i just wanted to press the "easy button" or the rewind button to start all over again. we were attached to like 4 girls walking down the first isle, some of my friends did not even have a chance of going down the other isle. i had to retreat to the room to catch my breath. and settled for 2 girls. one kind of looked like chatherine zeta jones, but not. you know what i mean? the other was tall and looked kind of japanese and had a cute face, but her face skin was not sliky, but was acceptable, because she had nice facial features, pretty cute too. we all got settles in, my other friend got 2 also, and my other 2 friends got only one. my uncle is considered my friend, he actually got the hottest one there. i would have snatched her up myself, i don't know how i missed her, but i'm glad someone in our group got her. we proceeded to play bull shit dice. i was getting pretty tipsy and was having fun with my 2 hostesses. i think it is better to get 2 from different mommies, because they kind of fight over you, hoping to get picked to go out to your hotel with you. so was really good gfe, french kissing and gropping was going on all night, not only by me, but i was also getting raped bt them. the zeta jones looking one was kind of shy and younger than the really outgoining taller one. she was a blast as we were bumping and grinding to some techno music. the other one got into it, but not like the taller one, i think she kept saying her name was "water". she really was blunt in a tastful slutty manner, as she dry humped me in doggy, and other positions, to techno music. even the hot one my uncle got was groping me and dry humping me.74 wanted to so grope her, but gotta gotta respect uncle:) . was kind of disappointed that many managers started to drink our stuff, i guess that's their ploy to sell booze. we ended up buying 6 or 9 bottles, was kind of a blurr, of red wine and 12 heinys. if you buy 2 wines, get 1 free. if you buy a 6 pack of beers, you get some free. there is also a show that you can watch outside of your room , to the stage arena. there is singing, go go dancing, and circus performances. we were handed platic hands to clap for the entertainers, which was entertaining in itsef, as i stood up and told my friend to slap my ass with these plastic clapper hands. i guess it is so you can clap with one hand and grope the other girls with the other. these chinese think of everything:) . was kind of hot in the stage arena so we went back to the rooms. i decided to take the taller sluttier one, because she was always licking her lips and sucking her fingers in a slutty unbashful manner, while looking at me with these "fuck me eyes". could not resist. paid 200 rmb for the zeta jones chick and off she went. thanks to this forum, i learned about the 2-5-8 pay schedule. i knew of the 2 and 8, but never knew about the 5. it was an attractive option as dan & co was tired and jet lagged. so we opted for the 5, except my uncle, who is like 55 or something, went home alone. i was shit, she is the hottest one here, and he sent her home. dang, wanted tap that ship, but again, respect for uncle. i managed to get both my girls numbers and they wrote their name too. the taller one i had st with said she liked to go to xinde club with me the next say. i said ok, but we'll see how that pans out.
l= 7
a= 9
gfe= 9
service = 8
bbbj, ar, good fs, best sex of the trip, so far.
another thing about versailles ktv, we charged the room and drinks and food, the bill was 1750rmb, but the charged us 1950rmb, with out asking. we asked what that was all about and they said, it was for the 2 waitresses, or djs. then as we were leaving, they asked for 200 more. i was mad, because they first tacked on 200 rmb without asking (100rmb each as we had 2 djs). then asked for 200 more. is this normal or were they just ripping us off. i made a joke and said, lets not spoil the market by overpaying. hehehe. anyone want to comment??
sorry i don't have pics, will get my phone back today. forgot to unlock my t-mobile phone, so in the cp phone shop for some unlocking. i hope he does not mess up my phone.
well, it is saturday, our second day, since we arrived at 1am friday. had an awesome first day:
one sauna
one bbs
one ktv
we are planning on xinde club tonight.but got some warnings about that place being really a "local" hangout. might have to reconsider. last time i went with my hk buddy, had no incidents and had a good time. maybe things have changed.
i kind of like the versailles rooms better than the miraton, bigger rooms, sauna type showers with steam, and better tv channels. had a music channel, which alot of the girls liked to watch as i slept in bed. i particularly liked it because i have alot of chinese friends in hawaii, and sometimes they play some music i recognize when i heard it in cp. just reminded me about the great mongering times of cp. only bad about versailles, i don't think they spoke english, and it is virtually next to nothing, except xinde club. kind of in a factory neighborhood. miraton has better service and the facilities here are more modern.
side note on money exchanges, taking a left out of the hui mei hotel, there is a small shop attached to the hotel, actually the first shop you see as you take a left out of the hotel, they are exchanging for 740 rmb for 100usd. i remembered my hk budy took me there once and he said they are honest. i exchange $400 usd and had no problem with conterfeit. i know because we spent all our rmb on the first day. just wodering if 740 is a good rate. the miraton is offering only 710. i remember 2 years ago i was getting 800. damn dollar keeps falling.
i got bookings at the jia yi and hui hua ktvs for sunday, might have to cancel or postpone the hui hua and attend jia yi instead. anyone wants to join us at jia yi sunday night at 630pm? send me a pm.
i have to thank jackson and and all the members of isg for empowering me with the knowledge to enjoy all that cp has to offer. without isg and the loss of my hk buddy, i don't think i would have ever returned to cp.
Ace Gallant
07-14-07, 06:50
I have to thank Jackson and and all the members of ISG for empowering me with the knowledge to enjoy all that CP has to offer. Without ISG and the loss of my HK buddy, I don't think I would have ever returned to CP.
Dan,
Glad you enjoyed your first day in CP. Good report, keep cumming. :D
400RMB total for the ride from GZ Baiyun airport to CP is just about right. The only part; as you said, is the certainly the scary part. Especially in a country / city where you are not familiar with and where there are so much heard about locals ever ready to rip or rob a foreigner off. In future, you can pre-book a car to pick you up to or from Miraton / GZ airport for just the same price. If you are interested PM me.
For the newbies; Miraton will usually hold your rooms until 6pm. If you do not check-in by 6pm, they will usually call the contact person you had given during your booking of hotel. In the case where your contact person (phone#) is an overseas# they will not call. Normally any check-in after 6pm requires Credit Card# as a guarantee booking. This in fact is standard for most hotels around the world. However, sometimes on a non-fully booked day, you might be able to get away without any guarantee. The Sauna rooms are the buffers rooms where they will put guest in for cases like yours or some walk-in after midnight. However once the Sauna business starts at 10am, they would move you out. As you said, they will usually start kicking you at 9am, they need to clean up the rooms. The latest you can stay in there is till 10:30am if you are a VIP. But don’t you agree there the room is much better than the standard rooms?
Incidentally; if you are having Jet-lagged and could not sleep, you may try to hang around the car park behind Miraton around 2 – 3am and pick your choice of girls getting off work from the MBA KTV in Miraton. Usually you can get off by paying 300 - 400 for ST and 400 – 600 for LT. Remember; their rates if you take them out from the KTV is 2 /5 /8 (oops… sorry for newbies: 200 for sitting with you in the KTV, 500 ST and 800 LT) If you pay the 5 or 8 you don’t have to pay the 2. I had once pick up a late supper from there at around 2:30am. But on a busy night, there might not be any good choices leftover from the KTV.
Wait??? 1050 for 4 legit massages??? That’ about 260 each! Man… you just over paid! Go over to Walter Hotel across the road from Miraton. JohnnyK just did one there over last weekend for around 180. On well… what the hell…. The quality might different! Hit me!
200 for Huimei’s BBS ST!! You are just spoilt the market!!!!! Didn’t you RTFF that the price there is supposed to be 150!!! Man!!! Ok… I was kidding…. But yes; the standard price is 150 ST 400 LT. However if they smell that you are a foreigner, 200 / 500 you can’t escape! The girls from the BBS usually do no want to stay for LT if you finish them off before 7pm. you keep them for LT they get 400/500 for the night, they go back to BBS, they might get another ST + LT; that’s 150 (your ST) + 150 + 400 = 700. See the maths? If you have a girl after 7pm they are more willing for LT. The later it is the higher the chance.
For the KTV, on the weekends, there is NO chance you are going to get a booking if you book on the same day. My advice; book the day before or early in the morning. The earlier you book, the higher the chance. But you should try booking for tomorrow night. There are better chances because Sunday night is less busy but your choice of girls are less. However, you should also try to book early because the managers will leave the better rooms for their regular or VIPs. You should also try KTV at Hui Mei same group as Hui Hua. Versailles nowadays always has a room waiting for you. After the Tao Yuan (Jia Yi) opened, they had pulled 50% of their girls/guests over. In CP, if you are not choosy, there will always be a KTV room for you on any day. You will not be ripped off if you know a regular DJ or Manager.
Of course the Miraton’s business center girls are good and helpful!!! They are trained by me!!! Hahahaha! :D Also please note that you can also ask the Bell-boy to arrange the hotel’s transport to send you or pick you up from any places in CP (Including the Yalan BBS ). It is free of charge as a hotel’s guest. But please give advance notice of at least an hour. On a busy day, the transport might be fully booked. We usually give the driver a little 5 – 10 rmb tip but not entirely necessary.
Tao Yuan (Jia Yi) or Hui Hua: It all depends, if you want quality girls; I say Hui Hua, If you like quantity; Tao Yuan. But sometimes, at Tao Yuan, since there is quantity, the chances are higher for you to get a girl of your type.
As I said, Xingdi…. Good place for first time experience, watch your wallets and your back, go in a group. Get in and get out fast before you get into trouble.
Enjoy!
AG
BTW: Above are just my POV.
Old Mean Dog
07-14-07, 07:56
Well, having arriving in CP yesterday (Friday) I patiently waited in my hotel room for Dan Hawaii to call me! After waiting hours upon hours for his phone call, which never came, I just went to sleep and came back to Shenzhen this morning...
Haha, not really, but sorry we could not meet up! I will be coming back on Tuesday, for one or two nights.
When I arrived in CP, I had OD'ed on "hard on pills" and could have cut glass with that thing!! Checked into the Lucky and talked to a mommy I know to send me up a girl ASAP! Said she had a special new girl for me. Thinking I was just going to ST this "blind date" I also called a regular of mine to be prepared at 8 pm as I wanted to get my reservations in before the HK fellas arrive.
The girl who showed up at my door step was smoking! First off, I thought she was a girl scout wanting to sell me cookies, but she told me she was 18...ok, who am I to doubt her? she was 5 feet nothing with high heels on and a tight ass in a pair of Daisy Dukes.
This girl had to be, probably one of the best shags I've EVER had in China, period, point, blank. I kept her all night and told my regular, I had found a new regular....This girl did everything, ACG, BBBJ, DATY, 69, DFK, RJ, HJ, Ass Play hell, I forgot all the damn abbreviations. Had no hair on her body except on her head and a tiny, tiny amount between her legs, smooth as silk.
She also admitted later she was 23, which blew me away and I demanded to see proof. Anyway we did the deed twice (yeah AG, just twice, but they were long sessions and I'm feeling old) and I will certainly be going back for more.
Guys, please don't send me emails asking me for phone # and name. She's in CP, as are 100's of other girls and experiences will differ with each user. Some of us regulars have earned special girls and favors because we frequent CP a lot and/or have built up a trust level with the mommies out there. It's kind of like having a Pussy VIP Card besides, I am a selfish prick when it comes to leeches.
Stay at the Lucky Hotel, there are mommies just outside the front door wanting your business!
-SZE
BTW: Dan, take it easy on the GFE ratings, us regulars will start to think you just got out of the big house from doing a 20 year sentence or your just one lonely guy! haha call me!!
Ace Gallant
07-14-07, 09:04
(yeah AG, just twice, but they were long sessions and I'm feeling old) and I will certainly be going back for more.
-SZE
It is not about getting old or feeling old. I know a guy from South China ISG, in his 50's, (Yah...you know who I am talking about)... that goes to CP, hit the BBS at Yalan again and again at least 4 times a night and drives 1 hour to SZ or home the next day and had been doing these over the past few years. Whilst I also know a guy in his early 20's, also from South China ISG (not sure whether you know him), pop once on a BBS and complained that he is out of ammunition for the day, goes to sleep for the next 12 hours! wake up the next day still complaining he screwed too much! (Sorry... Mr. XXXX If you are reading this, forgive me! I'll make up to you the next time we meet! :D)
Enjoy!
AG
Ace Gallant
07-14-07, 09:05
(yeah AG, just twice, but they were long sessions and I'm feeling old) and I will certainly be going back for more.
-SZE
It is not about getting old or feeling old. I know a guy from South China ISG, in his 50's, (Yah...you know who I am talking about)... that goes to CP, hit the BBS at Yalan again and again at least 4 times a night and drives 1 hour to SZ or home the next day and had been doing these almost everyweek, over the past few years. Whilst I also know a guy in his early 20's, also from South China ISG (not sure whether you know him), pop once on a BBS and complained that he is out of ammunition for the day, goes to sleep for the next 12 hours! wake up the next day still complaining he screwed too much! (Sorry... Mr. XXXX If you are reading this, forgive me! I'll make up to you the next time we meet! :D)
Enjoy!
AG
Tao Yuan (Jia Yi) or Hui Hua: It all depends, if you want quality girls; I say Hui Hua, If you like quantity; Tao Yuan. But sometimes, at Tao Yuan, since there is quantity, the chances are higher for you to get a girl of your type.
Actually, HH has a lot more girls. TY probably has about 300 girls, 400 girls tops on the weekends. HH typically has about 500, and usually over 600 on the weekends. Anyway, the attraction of TY is you get to see all the girls at once. To be honest, I don't find it at all to my liking. I don't mind the mommies doing the hard sell thing, they have to make a living too, but at TY, it's just ridiculous. At HH, even after you select girls, mommies keep coming... that gets annoying after a while too. I just tell the DJ girl to tell them to stop bringing girls, that usually works.
Pointpanic
07-14-07, 13:54
Here are some of our experiences:
Private car to GZ Airport from Hui Hua 200 last December.
Called ahead when stuck in rainstorm last month June 12 coming from GZ via Japan Airlines same flight as yours got me in about 9 but by calling ahead so they held the room for me. Other routes via China Airlines or United to HK could be substantially longer, some with multiple stops in Taipei and Narita so your route is not bad though you can do just as well from HK bus service to Meriton for 100 less.
Your sauna rate and experience was about standard fare. You did good on the Huimei bbs girls at 200 . You could get 150 late at night even for non locals.
You were a little high at Versailles. Cheaper if you drink Tsingtao and stay away from the wine or hard stuff. Its okay to drinkwith the managers to develop relationships with them. The DJs which you pick when you walk in should get tipped about 200 each for the evening as well as the room managers and their assistants. Thats if you are buiding relationships for return visits.
You need to get out to Yalan to the 2nd floor above the restaurant, the 5th floor Silver Star KTV next door or Baby's across the main street on the way to White Swan.
If you are concerned about getting ripped off PM me for Manager Fu Ling #at Club P.P next to Lion for a nice room at 800 base not including tips for DJ and her. Can also recommend a Manager at Hui Hua but it will be higher. Hope you get into Jia yi and give us the comparison to Versailles.
Exchange rate at Hui Hua for guests is 750.
Keep the reports coming and get some pics posted.
Waikikibob
Finally arrived in CP. It was agrueling trip here.We first got fucked by my travel agent because our reservation was cancelled. We were scheduled to leave at 830am but finally left at 1pm. Stupide travel agent, but I guess we were lucky that we could even get a same day flight out from Hawaii. It was a damn long airplane ride, 8hours to Japan, then 3 hour stopover, then 4 hour flight into GZ. ...............I have to thank Jackson and and all the members of ISG for empowering me with the knowledge to enjoy all that CP has to offer. Without ISG and the loss of my HK buddy, I don't think I would have ever returned to CP.
Dan and anybody else who might be interested,
FYI: Those gypsy cabs you find that take you to the border of GZ and then nego with another cabbie to take you to your final destination.
Anyway, you can usually pay a LOT less than their asking price. I bet Dan could have gotten to his final destination for 200 or less. The deal is this, the guys at the airport are hanging around because they already drove there from the city. They don't want to go back without a fare because that would just be a waste. You could have probably gotten him to take you to the GuangShen Expressway for under 100RMB. Once there, you could negotiate with the DG cabbies. The DG cabbies are the same deal, they came all the way up to GZ and they would much rather go back with a customer than not. You can usually get away with less than 100 for those guys too. Think about it, they're already there, and don't want to chance having to go back without a customer, that would be loss of money in both tolls and gas.
I mean it's not big deal you paid a bit more, but just letting you guys know for the next time.
RE: Canceling KTV bookings.
This is usually considered an uncool thing to do, and even worse is a no-show. Depending on the place, the person who takes the booking might have to pay a fine if she can't get someone else to take the room and that fine can be VERY hefty sometimes. Obviously this is usually not a problem on the weekends, they usually have people calling to ask for rooms anyway, but most likely, the next time you call someone at the same KTV to reserve a room, they won't reserve it for you.
You were a little high at Versailles. Cheaper if you drink Tsingtao and stay away from the wine or hard stuff.
Drinking beer is not necessarily cheaper... The problem with beer for a lot of guys is... it's almost impossible to get drunk off it unless you drink a LOT. A couple months ago, my friends I decided to get beer for a change, we went through 180. With some food and stuff... the tab came out to like 4000. Typically when we drink about 20 bottles of wine, the tab comes out to like 2500. When we drink whiskey, bill is typically about 3000.
Side note on money exchanges, taking a left out of the Hui Mei Hotel, there is a small shop attached to the hotel, actually the first shop you see as you take a left out of the hotel, they are exchanging for 740 rmb for 100usd. I remembered my HK budy took me there once and he said they are honest. I exchange $400 usd and had no problem with conterfeit. I know because we spent all our rmb on the first day. Just wodering if 740 is a good rate. The miraton is offering only 710. I remember 2 years ago I was getting 800. Damn dollar keeps falling.
Where exactly did you get the money exchanged at the Miraton? Cause a fellow monger and guest of the Miraton from the U.S. was told by the Miraton cashier that they did not do any exchanges. He was introduced to the bellboy by the cashier who took his US dollars, exited the hotel and came back several minutes later with RMBs.
BTW, when this same monger purchased a counterfeit Johnnie Walker whiskey near the New Century, he was told that one of his 100 RMBs was fake. But then you can't tell whether the bill came from the bellboy or the switch was made at the whiskey store.
If I were you, I make small changes (100 to 300 US), gives you more time for you to exam all the bills before leaving your money exchanger.
740? Bank of China gave me 750 but that was four weeks ago.
Good luck and have fun,
Bill
The girls from the BBS usually do no want to stay for LT if you finish them off before 7pm. you keep them for LT they get 400/500 for the night, they go back to BBS, they might get another ST + LT; that’s 150 (your ST) + 150 + 400 = 700. See the maths? If you have a girl after 7pm they are more willing for LT. The later it is the higher the chance.
I don't know about that. Whenever I get a girl from BBS, and that's usually really early like 5-6PM or so, they all ask if I want them to stay with me all night. A few of the girls were real persistent about it too asking me multiple times. I always tell them no because I always have to go KTV later and don't want to bring a "lunchbox." I think a lot of the girls think a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. If they can get you for LT, it's a sure thing 400, as opposed to taking a chance of not getting picked again for the rest of the night.
For the KTV, on the weekends, there is NO chance you are going to get a booking if you book on the same day.
If you're a regular, they'll find a room for you. KTVs typically set aside a few rooms in case VIP or regular customers call at the last minute. When my US buddies are around, there have been many times when HH somehow miraculously found room for us on weekend nights.
That said though, it is of course better to reserve early. Usually a the day before is sufficient.
Old Mean Dog
07-14-07, 17:41
I don't know about that. Whenever I get a girl from BBS, and that's usually really early like 5-6PM or so, they all ask if I want them to stay with me all night. A few of the girls were real persistent about it too asking me multiple times. I always tell them no because I always have to go KTV later and don't want to bring a "lunchbox." I think a lot of the girls think a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. If they can get you for LT, it's a sure thing 400, as opposed to taking a chance of not getting picked again for the rest of the night.
If you think about it though, I have seen BBS girls coming in and out of the hotels on busy nights like Friday and Saturday. You will see a girl go up to a room and 20-30 minutes later coming down, then 15 minutes later going back up to a room and 5 minutes later coming down (she went to Bill Lee's room) and so on and so on. At 150/200 a pop she can make good money for the night.
Considering getting LT for 400/500 thats just 2 pops, which is much better on slow nights, but seems would not be the profitable choice on weekends. Now of course some girls do fall in love with guys like AG, so money is not the issue here ;-)
As most of you guys know, on Friday and Saturdays the shops are empty by 9 pm and when a girl come back from doing a trick, she is sent right back out for the next one.
-SZE
Ace Gallant
07-14-07, 19:14
If you're a regular, they'll find a room for you. KTVs typically set aside a few rooms in case VIP or regular customers call at the last minute. When my US buddies are around, there have been many times when HH somehow miraculously found room for us on weekend nights.
That said though, it is of course better to reserve early. Usually a the day before is sufficient.
I don't know Moody, we do not go to Hui Mei like you and your USA friends; you guys are basically there everynight!
The only two KTV I get that kind of treatment are Tao Yuan (Jia Yi) and Amazon. If they are fully book, they no matter how, they will get a room for me. But that is because of my connections.
I guess when you go there often enough or know someone up there, you will be very sure that you had made teh connections.
Enjoy!
AG
Ace Gallant
07-14-07, 19:20
I don't know about that. Whenever I get a girl from BBS, and that's usually really early like 5-6PM or so, they all ask if I want them to stay with me all night. A few of the girls were real persistent about it too asking me multiple times. I always tell them no because I always have to go KTV later and don't want to bring a "lunchbox." I think a lot of the girls think a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. If they can get you for LT, it's a sure thing 400, as opposed to taking a chance of not getting picked again for the rest of the night.
Not saying in general all the girls do not like to do LT if they finish off before 7pm. It will depends; Like whether it is a Friday / Saturday night compared to a slow night, or they are the "not so popular girl".
But in general, I had found that the New girls are more likely to agree for an LT at 7pm, those experience ones knows when to agree and when not to.
Of course there are exception of those who never do LT (because they are someone's else mistress and they know that their "husband" will call them on the phone!!! :D
Enjoy!
AG
Ace Gallant
07-14-07, 19:31
If you think about it though, I have seen BBS girls coming in and out of the hotels on busy nights like Friday and Saturday. You will see a girl go up to a room and 20-30 minutes later coming down, then 15 minutes later going back up to a room and 5 minutes later coming down (she went to Bill Lee's room) and so on and so on. At 150/200 a pop she can make good money for the night.
Considering getting LT for 400/500 thats just 2 pops, which is much better on slow nights, but seems would not be the profitable choice on weekends. Now of course some girls do fall in love with guys like AG, so money is not the issue here ;-)
As most of you guys know, on Friday and Saturdays the shops are empty by 9 pm and when a girl come back from doing a trick, she is sent right back out for the next one.
-SZE
Hey Hey Hey... Those girls are my freebies and they are not Pros.... man...! Of course again there are exceptions; I don't know why there are one or two girls I picked up from BBS ended up not wanting to leave. I don't think it is them falling in love with me but I rather think it is them falling in love with my wallet or perhaps an opportunity to go and work in Shanghai.
In fact; OAH called me the other evening telling me that the whole Hui Mei Foot massage places knew that No. 62 is living with me in Shanghai now! Even with the mama in Yalan are talking about me keeping that Assistant Mama in Shanghai. But the actual fact, both of them are back at home. They both did visited and stayed me at different times but I had sent both of them home. How can I tie myself down like that??? Bottom line, I do not know who had been going around passing this information to the Huimei's Foot Massage or the Mamas in Yalan.
On the part of each girl not wanting to do LT, I still felt that it depends on the day of the week or whether the are new in CP.
Enjoy!
AG
Dan Hawaii
07-15-07, 02:08
HI everyone,
got my CP telephone number:
131689-57172
I don't mind posting it to the world, because I will probable discard it after my trip.
Give me a call if anyone is in CP. We are pretty much heading to the Jia Yi KTV tonight. Finally got a booking.
Dan Hawaii
07-15-07, 02:25
Well, having arriving in CP yesterday (Friday) I patiently waited in my hotel room for Dan Hawaii to call me! After waiting hours upon hours for his phone call, which never came, I just went to sleep and came back to Shenzhen this morning...
Haha, not really, but sorry we could not meet up! I will be coming back on Tuesday, for one or two nights.
When I arrived in CP, I had OD'ed on "hard on pills" and could have cut glass with that thing!! Checked into the Lucky and talked to a mommy I know to send me up a girl ASAP! Said she had a special new girl for me. Thinking I was just going to ST this "blind date" I also called a regular of mine to be prepared at 8 pm as I wanted to get my reservations in before the HK fellas arrive.
The girl who showed up at my door step was smoking! First off, I thought she was a girl scout wanting to sell me cookies, but she told me she was 18...ok, who am I to doubt her? she was 5 feet nothing with high heels on and a tight ass in a pair of Daisy Dukes.
This girl had to be, probably one of the best shags I've EVER had in China, period, point, blank. I kept her all night and told my regular, I had found a new regular....This girl did everything, ACG, BBBJ, DATY, 69, DFK, RJ, HJ, Ass Play hell, I forgot all the damn abbreviations. Had no hair on her body except on her head and a tiny, tiny amount between her legs, smooth as silk.
She also admitted later she was 23, which blew me away and I demanded to see proof. Anyway we did the deed twice (yeah AG, just twice, but they were long sessions and I'm feeling old) and I will certainly be going back for more.
Guys, please don't send me emails asking me for phone # and name. She's in CP, as are 100's of other girls and experiences will differ with each user. Some of us regulars have earned special girls and favors because we frequent CP a lot and/or have built up a trust level with the mommies out there. It's kind of like having a Pussy VIP Card besides, I am a selfish prick when it comes to leeches.
Stay at the Lucky Hotel, there are mommies just outside the front door wanting your business!
-SZE
BTW: Dan, take it easy on the GFE ratings, us regulars will start to think you just got out of the big house from doing a 20 year sentence or your just one lonely guy! haha call me!!
I hope you was kidding about the waiting in the lobby thing, you could've rang my hotel room? Anyways, got my cell phone working, call me. I would call you if I knew your number:) . Yeah, call me lonely, did a 5 year sentence, you must be a psychic.
cell 131689-57172
HI everyone,
Got my CP telephone number:
131689-57172
I don't mind posting it to the world, because I will probable discard it after my trip.
Give me a call if anyone is in CP. We are pretty much heading to the Jia Yi KTV tonight.Are you using a cell phone from the US? and all you did was purchase a SIM card in China? If it works, I will bring my cell phone next time. Please repond.
Dan Hawaii
07-15-07, 02:28
Actually, HH has a lot more girls. TY probably has about 300 girls, 400 girls tops on the weekends. HH typically has about 500, and usually over 600 on the weekends. Anyway, the attraction of TY is you get to see all the girls at once. To be honest, I don't find it at all to my liking. I don't mind the mommies doing the hard sell thing, they have to make a living too, but at TY, it's just ridiculous. At HH, even after you select girls, mommies keep coming... that gets annoying after a while too. I just tell the DJ girl to tell them to stop bringing girls, that usually works.
I wish we had that sort of "problem" back in the states:)
Dan Hawaii
07-15-07, 02:35
Cause a fellow monger and guest of the Miraton from the U.S. was told by the Miraton cashier that they did not do any exchanges. He was introduced to the bellboy by the cashier who took his US dollars, exited the hotel and came back several minutes later with RMBs.
Bill
That's exactly what happened.Took awhile for him to come back, like 10 to 15 minutes.
Dan Hawaii
07-15-07, 04:27
Dan,
Glad you enjoyed your first day in CP. Good report, keep cumming. :D
Wait??? 1050 for 4 legit massages??? That’ about 260 each! Man… you just over paid! Go over to Walter Hotel across the road from Miraton. JohnnyK just did one there over last weekend for around 180. On well… what the hell…. The quality might different! Hit me!
200 for Huimei’s BBS ST!! You are just spoilt the market!!!!! Didn’t you RTFF that the price there is supposed to be 150!!! Man!!! Ok… I was kidding…. But yes; the standard price is 150 ST 400 LT. However if they smell that you are a foreigner, 200 / 500 you can’t escape! The girls from the BBS usually do no want to stay for LT if you finish them off before 7pm. you keep them for LT they get 400/500 for the night, they go back to BBS, they might get another ST + LT; that’s 150 (your ST) + 150 + 400 = 700. See the maths? If you have a girl after 7pm they are more willing for LT. The later it is the higher the chance.
For the KTV, on the weekends, there is NO chance you are going to get a booking if you book on the same day.
BTW: Above are just my POV.
Yo AG,
The massage is massive, like 3 stories, the whole building was the club house. And it include free food and we paid for a couple of dishes. We had 6 beers also. Don't know if that is cheap, but my friends thought so.
200 for bbs is what this forum said the foreigner rate is. We are foreigners that speak no Chinese. If we went with pros, like yourself or from this forum, I'm sure we would have no problem from the mommies with paying 150 with your presence. But they can smell "foreigners" from a mile away.
We did book a Jia Yi KTV 1 day in advance, but could not get a room. No VIP treatment for rookies:(
We still had fun:)
Dan Hawaii
07-15-07, 06:30
day 2 in cp.
we took it down a notch on the second day. after the free buffet at the miraton, we headed out to shop and walk
around. we ended up going to another legit massage place, this place was bad ass, but small, like a mom and pop
shop, a little whole in the wall. was a very very very sensual full body and face massage, oil/lotion rubbing
massage. after you shower, you go to the massage room. and then they proceed to wash your face like 5 times with all
kind of different lotions for 30 minutes. i was like, when is the body massage going to start. my friends enjoyed
the facial massage, since they never had that before.they do some pressure point stuff too. it was so relaxing that
it was hard to stay awake. i caught myself snoring in and out of the sessions. then they proceed to give you a belly
massage, after they cover some kind of stuff on your face, like cucumbers??? don't know wtf it was. i heard the
belly rub helps break down the toxins and stuff in your intestines so it can pass. anyways, the oil/lotion massage
was awesome. they massage like everything except your little brother. but they do brush against it some times,
caught a boner at one point:) was kind of embarrassed. but my friends reported they did the same thing. they even
massage your ass and every nook and cranny on your body. i really thought it was the best massage i had and i had a
few. the business card is written in chinese, but it is near the hui mei hotel. proceed left out of miraton towards
the hui mei hotel. take a left on the street right before the hm hotel, walk 1 block down, should be on the right
side of the street.might be called earth element, don't know, but that is the only english thing written on the
business card.
98 rmb for 1 hour
128 for 1.5 hours
telephone 0769-26396252
since we was so close to hui mei, we wanted to check out the bbs. my friends were tired and hungry , but i knew of
the hk rush hour since it was saturday. so i dragged them out there. the funny thing is that they thought the
pickings was better than yesterday's one. i think it was the same bbs room as yesterdays one, but we just entered
through the back door... but the 3 mommies were different too???more polite. i'm don't know guys, i think i'm in the
twilight zone and losing it. anyways, they picked 2 that they liked, i have to agree they were cute. i was hesitant
to the girl next to me, but she had silky white clear skin, and big d cup boob, i'm a boob man. but her face was
average, kind of pretty. my uncle was not with us, because he and i got tortured from the thai massage on friday, he
did not want to do the massage thing again, i think he was afraid of having flashbacks. so i decided to take her and
see if my uncle wanted her as we were going to meet up for dinner. he said he wanted her, so i was like, shit, it's
getting late, 7pm, and i don't have a girl. so i was hurrying up eating dinner and was scared i might end up with a
fugly (fucken ugly) one. we ate at the hui hua japanese yakiniku, was alright, the guy was kind of slow. not like
hawaii's one, they are fast, literally flying food on your plate and cutting things up at 200 mph, ooing and aweing
the audience. you have to sit back on your seat or your freakin eyebrows might catch on fire. anyways, the food at
the hh hotel was not fresh and was pretty expensive. would not recommend.
i ran to the hui mei bbs and prayed i would get something decent. saw the same mommy from earlier that day. she took
me to her shop and i declined, only had fuglies. then, she took me to another of her friends shop, but on the way
there, a guy approached, so i went to his shop, while mommy was saying no no. but i went anyway, the guy never had
anything good, had even more ffuglies. i was thinking, oh shit, i'm screwed and damn hk rush, just kidding. (i got
to give props to hk for building cp to what it is now). mommies friend had nothing either so i was going to leave,
but they said to wait as they were going to call a girl for me. so i waited for 10 minutes and a pretty decent girl
came running in. i think she literally ran to the bbs. what service! i took her even though she was a 6 in looks,
because she looked like a girl i wanted to ravage in a past life, or maybe because there was nothing else better,
cause was 8 pm already. and she had a nice body. took her back, did the deed:
bbbj
mish and another position that i forgot the name of....what a noob.
i asked her if she wanted to go or stay, mostly (99%) in sign language. she opted to stay. i believe my theory, if
you st them early (1pm to 6pm) they make up excuses to leave. 2 words: maximizing profits. got to agree with ag on
this one. she was good gfe and a real trooper, decided to stay with a bunch of guys that spoke alien. we didn't know
where to go that night, never had anything booked and was winging it, because we were planning on going to club
xinde, but warnings from some well respected isg members, said not to go to club xinde,and we heeded the warnings.
we tried the miraton ktv, thought they had a bar there, nope. the girl, never wanted to go, was kind of shy. i don't
know wtf she was asking the workers there. maybe was "where are these fuckers taking me". even in the lobby she
asked the same thing, anyways,sounded like she was asking the same thing. we just wanted to go to a bar and drink,
so we went to the miraton business center to ask annie where a nice bar was. her co-worker said there is an american
bar across the street. freaking business center is the sheeizznit. it is located across from the miraton 7-11, on
the second floor. near the stairs, had some people gambling or playing majong. the girl was a little terrified and
asked the receptionist of the american bar "where are these bababling monkeys taking me", i'm guessing. the american
bar was great fun. and guess what guys, we found and english speaking hostess bar girl there. her name is fenny. not
a bbs girl but could be a real gf. none of us are looking for a gf, i was wondering if we could pay her to leave?
hmmm??? just kidding, she was really cool and made our night. playing bullshit dice and helping us get drunk. what a
gal. and she spoke english!!! got her number and told us to call her the next day. hmm, maybe not..., not to
disrespect her, but like i said, no one wants a gf in pussyville. anyways, the american bar is awesome. they have a
live band that sings only english songs, good songs too, and the band got some skills, we was partying hard. my
friend got so drunk, he forgot some parts of the night. and in between the band breaks, they play techno/trance.
good kind too. the crowd was friendly and upscale, even had some gramps partying like kids. was not too crowded and
not too empty, but just right. even my girl was having fun, like i said, what a trooper. the party begins at 10, we
came a bit early and was dead, we was thinking, "dud", but when the band came on, the party turned on. here is the
bar telephone:
0769-81087250
1355979377
at around 1am, went back to the hotel, my friend wanted a girl so we asked my girl to call her mommy to send a girl. 10 minutes later someone was knocking on the door. damn they are quick. came in with a fugly and she was anerexic, looked like a crack addict. my friend said no, and mommy and all the girls took turns and mounted him, telling him yes, yes. and speaking i dont know wtf. was like a feeding frenzy on my boy. was so entertaining seeing him become the victim. back home he is usually the hunter. in cp he is the prey. was so hilarious that it was the highlight of the evening. all the girls finally got him outside, and closed my door. i was inside laughing to hard, i almost pooped in my pants. freakin door bell was ringing off the hook and i could hear screams of "help" from him. i finally opened the door and saw him carrying mommy and wrestling with my girl. he kept saying, "fucking dan, help me,what you got me into!" he was laughing too. was so damn funny. after all the smoke settled, the fugly girl left, and mommy was trying to call another girl. was having a hard time contacting any, but finally got someone to come. my friend was trying to escape from my room to retreat to his. but they were guarding the door. luckily there was a scale by the refrig, and my friend said he had to use the bathroom so they let him pass. the girls was so preoccupied with the scale, that my friend slipped out of the room. i don't know how he did it, because the scale was right by the door. was kind of neat that he could escape. i started to laugh hard again seeing slip by the two un-noticed. was like 30 seconds later, my girl went to look for him in the bathroom, and noticed he was gone. i laughing so much, my stomach is sore today as i write this. he called me and said, "if the girl is pretty send her to my room and i'll look throught the peep hole". fucking funny. so the girl came and i called him and said, "i don't know man, looks kind of borderline". he started busting out laughing. he said, "fuck! wtf i'm i going to do". i said, "i don't know man, you want to chance it?" he said, "alright then, only $27 usd, what the hell send them over". was a good call, he said it was the best service he had so far, besides the sauna girl. he didn't care that she was a 6, he was blasted.
after the aftermath, me and my girl went and did the deed again.
l=6.5
a=9 real trooper, going out with a bunch of guys she could not understand.
gfe=9 she kept coming over to my side of the bed to hold me. even at the bar, always placing her hand on my lap and sitting close to me.
s=8 good bbbj
2 of the greatest days of my life. first day was a "girls" day. partying with girls. second day, partying with the boys.
If you can't get a KTV room in CP, there are alternatives. The first option is the Crown Prince about 10 minutes away in Huangjiang. The place is huge and I've never had a problem getting a room there without a reservation. Another option is the Royal Garden Hotel in Dalang. Both places are a little more expensive, but it may be worth it for the show. The show at Crown Prince is really good, much better than amazon... almost like a mini Cirque de Soleil.
Yo AG,
If we went with pros, like yourself or from this forum, I'm sure we would have no problem from the mommies with paying 150 with your presence. But they can smell "foreigners" from a mile away.
:)
No! Price at bbs behind the Hui Mei is 150. That is the standard price, regardless of your origins or language skills. Now that you have paid 200 the mommies have told each other, so you will now find it difficult to get the 150 price.
Price at Yalan area was 150 until recently, now it is a standard 200. Mini vans girls are 150.
A mini van ride is 15. Motorbike is 5. These are all standard prices.
Glad to hear you are having fun.
Are you using a cell phone from the US? and all you did was purchase a SIM card in China? If it works, I will bring my cell phone next time. Please repond.
Not all cell phones from US will work in Asia. They need to be unblocked to work in China.
mpfslover
Are you using a cell phone from the US? and all you did was purchase a SIM card in China? If it works, I will bring my cell phone next time. Please repond.
link for info on phone sim cards:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=409494&postcount=2668
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=511738&postcount=700
Using a phone from the USA is fine. Your phone needs to be a GSM and either tri or quad band. Then it needs to be unlocked. Some companies like Cingular have the phones locked to prevent switching to other carriers. It will cost about $10USD to unlock the phone in the USA. It's cheaper in China. If you do bring your USA phone, you need to make sure your power adapter can handle 220 volts. Some adapter can handle both 120 and 220 volts. If you don't, you are going to fry your phone.
For carriers, I used Unicom then China Mobile. I switched to China Mobile because I was able to use it in Hong Kong also. Was told China Mobile is a little better too. Do a search there are others giving input about phones.
On my last trip, I used something like 600-800RMB in calls/messages. It was getting expensive recharging.
Question, does anyone know if the minutes are really cheaper in Hong Kong rather than in Mainland China, 20 cents to 40 cents a min. Should I get the SIM card in Hong Kong rather than in Mainland China? I will be using the card mainly in Mainland China.
For a HK SIM, one problem I see is calling in China. People in China will be calling a number in Hong Kong, a long distance? Next, when do the minutes expires because I don't travel to Asian very often?
After thinking about it, it might be best to stick to a mainland sim card. This is what I have already. Oh, forget about all the questions..............
Dan Hawaii
07-15-07, 10:07
Are you using a cell phone from the US? and all you did was purchase a SIM card in China? If it works, I will bring my cell phone next time. Please repond.
Check out this website. It tell you the GSM frequency all the countries use.
http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/index.shtml
Your phone needs to have this GSM 900 "band". You can call your USA carrier to unlock your phone, or pay 100rmb, like I did.
I know in Hong Kong you can buy it at any 7-11 s. In China there is a lot of cell phone shops. If you get a nice number they charge you more. Just get the cheapest one, unless you plan on living in China.
I don't know Moody, we do not go to Hui Mei like you and your USA friends; you guys are basically there everynight!
Nah, we go a lot to Hui Hua now. Basically, when we go to Hui Mei, we don't see new girls anymore... just the same ones over and over again. I'm sure it's only a matter of time before we get tired of HH too. Then we'll probably move on to the west side again like Humen, Houjie, and DG City.
Old Mean Dog
07-15-07, 14:41
The american bar was great fun. And guess what guys, we found and english speaking hostess bar girl there. Her name is Fenny. Not
a BBS girl but could be a real gf. None of us are looking for a gf, I was wondering if we could pay her to leave?
Lol, kids in a candy store.
Fenny....seems someone else was in love with this girl, I wished I could remember who it was, but they said the Miraton had hired her to be his "private" tour guide and he ended up banging her.
I will be out there tomorrow night and will probably stay 2 nights. I will give you a call when I get into town.
-SZE
Old Mean Dog
07-15-07, 14:42
Check out this website. It tell you the GSM frequency all the countries use.
http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/index.shtml
Your phone needs to have this GSM 900 "band". You can call your USA carrier to unlock your phone, or pay 100rmb, like I did.
I know in Hong Kong you can buy it at any 7-11 s. In China there is a lot of cell phone shops. If you get a nice number they charge you more. Just get the cheapest one, unless you plan on living in China.
Holy Shit, I paid 10 rmb to have my phone unlocked in Shenzhen!!!
Ace Gallant
07-15-07, 16:20
No! Price at bbs behind the Hui Mei is 150. That is the standard price, regardless of your origins or language skills. Now that you have paid 200 the mommies have told each other, so you will now find it difficult to get the 150 price.
Price at Yalan area was 150 until recently, now it is a standard 200. Mini vans girls are 150.
A mini van ride is 15. Motorbike is 5. These are all standard prices.
Glad to hear you are having fun.
What!!! Motoebike is 5RMB!!!! Santa!!! you been had! it's only 3 RMB!!! :D
Of course we are not that cheap to debate over 2 RMB difference but as it was debated here before; some guys think that just one or two person overpaying will not spoil the market. Look at it now; It used to be 150 and now it is 200. As the other day, the Meow Mobil, the girls are 150 but they try to tell us it is 200.
Santa, the Huimei BBS is 150 for you because they see you every day. I doubt a newbie will get off with 150 easily unless they insist, resist and persist. Everyone thinks “well what the hell….” It will not hurts and spoil the market if just me, one person overpay. Just this once…..” next month, the price will be 300 for ST at Huimei.
Enjoy!
AG
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