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Ace Gallant

08-08-07, 14:54

After meeting up with Soulman and Moody in Shenzhen we took the train in CP. Of course knowing its Sat night, I called the manager to reserve a room for us. Initally there was a little problem but it ended up that the problem was resolved by the manager pushing off another customer to give the room to us.

Dropping off my luggage in Miraton we proceeded to Yalan in which soulman took a girl from Sandy and check into Yalan for a short time. At 1730 on a Sat evening, the BBS are still packed with girls.

Poor Moody and I ended up having late lunch at the Bistrol next to Miraton.

Tao Yuan KTV run started at 7pm. This is for Soulman to experience Tao Yuan for the first time. There are no changes with Tao Yuan, there are still as many girls as before. Unfortunately I have to call it a night early because of my 3 sleepless night in Taipei. I brought back the dongbei girl, one of the two girls with me.

Back in the hotel, I found that she was very GFE. Knowing I was tired, she basically did almost everything. 2 hours later, it let her off with a 500 for the ST. I went off to sleep!

Group number 13 Girls number 143.
From Liao Ling
Looks: 8/10
Tall: 1.69m
Age: 19
Skin: Fair
Skills: BJ: 7/10, FS: 9/10

Enjoy!
AG

Ace Gallant

08-08-07, 15:06

A quick drop by on a neighbouring town to lunch with a freebie in development. Only to find that she brought along her Sister, her cousin and brother. The lunch ended up to be her family asking me all sort of questions as if she is going to marry me! Man!!! I broke loose and headed back to CP!

What else do can you do in CP in the day time???

Foot massage.

Tonight we decided to go to Huimei KTV, Moody, Soulman, Reader123, Charde Red, Cap Iota and I had a great time as describe in Soulman's post. The session from 8pm to 1:30am cost only 1300Rmb. Of course each one of us paid our girls 200 each and the KJ of another 200RMB in tips.

The day ended with a foot massage at the Huihwa.

I got back to my room and called in my freebie who got off work from the Hui Mei Foot massage. (Yah... a new freebie! :D )

Day ended with me shagging the hell out of my freebie!

Enjoy!
AG

OldAsiaHand

08-08-07, 16:57

Another mommy push me down the sofa and kept bringing girls to sit on me whenever I want to leave. Uncover their breasts and brought my hand to feel them.
Told me if the girl could not make me come, will come personally to blow till I do.
Really persistant till I gave up and took one of her girls.

Was this in the Lucky stretch or Yalan? Sounds a lot like the infamous Sandy in Yalan. The thought of her mouth on my dick is repulsive to say the least.

OAH

Harmsuploe

08-08-07, 17:23

I'm pretty well acquainted with the scene in GZ, but I've never been to DG before. Anyway, work has been crazy recently and I finally got a break so I impulsively hopped in my car and started driving to CP. No map, no GPS, nothing. It would probably have been more convenient to take the train, but I have a car and I'm American, and that's what we do, we drive everywhere.

There are two routes, one involves taking the Guangzhou-Shenzen Expressway part of the way and then taking local roads (not advised). The other takes the Guangzhou-Shenzen Expressway to Dongguan-Changhu Expressway which has an exit for CP (advisable). Toll will cost you 60. Pops you out just outside of CP and I was able to find the Miraton just by following street signs pointing you towards CP city center (I read Chinese). I was pretty surprised how smoothly I got there considering how crappy that almost-dirt road is leading into town. One other general comment before I move on, someone put up some traffic lights or stop signs or something. Those intersections are nuts.

Anyway, my destination was not the Miraton although I did get warm fuzzies when I stumbled upon it, just by thinking of all the Senior Members who have left some karma there. I continued driving down that street (passed the Virgin, more warm fuzzies) until I hit a T-intersection and went left and then over a small bridge and reached my destination: the Plutocrat Hotel (Fu4 Hao2 Jiu3 Dian4). One of my HK buddies told me they have nurses uniforms. Plus, it's a very nice 4-star hotel.

Parked, walked in the lobby, took the elevator to the 2nd floor sauna. Was immediately led to a hotel room. Female floor manager (all females) gave me the price rundown:

178 Room Fee before 7PM/198 RMB after
Regular: 300
Nurse: 350
Model: 400

Was shown a lineup of 4 nurses and 2 models and ended up picking 2 nurses from the first lineup. Afterwards, they told me that the Nurses are prettier than the Regulars, and the models are just taller, but not necessarily prettier. Anyway, one of my nurses had a killer body (9.5) and a sultry face (7.5) while the other had a nice body (7) and a gorgeous face (9). Also, I did as advised by fellow members here where I picked one and let her pick the other girl. Very important in a threesome.

Started off in the shower with the ritual washing of every orifice, got a BBBJ from both which finished in the shower. Moved into the bedroom. The clock starts ticking (90 minutes) after the shower which was nice. They proceeded to do the Dongguan ISO service on me. (I don't know if I've seen that term here but that's what all the Chinese guys call it, DG ISO Service [International Standards Organization], pretty funny). It did not feel scripted and I had a nice rapport with the both of them. (I am an ABC and speak relatively fluently, and more importantly, without an accent). Capped and after a while popped. Laid around and chatted with the two ... is there any feeling like lying in a nice hotel suite with a naked beauty cradled in each arm? I think not.

Anyway, while chatting they don't stop fiddling around with you and after a while I was ready to go again so we capped and popped again. Then we laid around naked and chatted some more. Nice girls. After a while the phone rang indicating our 90 minutes were up. Moved back into the shower for a final wash and (surprise) another BBBJ, popped. Very GFE.

Total damage 878 RMB (178+350+350).

Knowing now that I'm only a 70 minute drive away from CP, I'd love to come out sometime for a KTV excursion with some fellow mongers. Next time I plan to go, I'll post a message and see if there aren't any takers.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Old Mean Dog

08-08-07, 17:35

Was this in the Lucky stretch or Yalan? Sounds a lot like the infamous Sandy in Yalan. The thought of her mouth on my dick is repulsive to say the least.

OAH

Speaking of this, my wingman and I were at Jojo's shop last night, I choose my girl and begin to leave with Jojo, thinking my wingman is behind me, when the door is locked after we leave the room. My wingman told me that a mommy and several of the girls started yanking off his pants and refused to let him leave since he would not choose a girl. Finally, after slinging the mommy to the couch out of frustration (I assume it was Sandy), he gave in and took a girl.

This kind of action is bullshit and I told Jojo that either her or her Uncle get this shit under control or they are gonna loose a bunch of customers.

SZE

P.S. OAH, glad to see your back on the forum, we missed ya!

Dan Hawaii

08-08-07, 20:47

I just looked at the hotel bills from CP hotel for last month, it total up to 3,542RMB For that amount if it is going to continues, I am better off renting a Shag Pad in CP. I will take that into consideration.

AG
I was just thinking that also. I heard from that girl, Fenny, that she only pays 1400rmb/month for her apartment, which is the blue apartment right across the street from the Miraton Hotel, kind of next to the Walter Hotel. The one with Mc Donalds and some high end shopping center on the bottom. I don't know if it is a 1 or 2 bedroom, however, she does share it with her sister.

Does anyone know if you can rent for a month to month basis?

I think our hotel bill for 11 days was like 4000rmb, more for my friends because they did laundry.

As for a wingman, it's just a lot more fun when you party with friends; you can't party by yourself.

Bill Lee

08-08-07, 22:15

Does anyone know if you can rent for a month to month basis?

I think our hotel bill for 11 days was like 4000rmb, more for my friends because they did laundry.

Most reasonable priced apartment rental requires a minimum of 6 months. But I am sure there are apartments to be had for one month at a time too. But they are much harder to find, usually not through the typical real estate agent.

BTW, Santa and I got to tour one of the rental apartments in the purple building on top of the MacDonalds and they were asking for 6 month minimum. I think they were also asking for over 2,000RMB for a shitty furnished small studio.

Laundry at the Miraton, 20RMB per shirt. Oouch.

Across from the Miraton's 7/11 and about 50 feet toward the Lucky/Hui Mei is a small laundry stall with a counter. 8' wide by 12' deep.

Polo shirt or jean, 5RMB each. Drop off by 3 p.m., will have ready the next day at 1:00 p.m. Never a problem with the results. Just print your English name with the Miraton Hotel name and room # on the receipt and you'll be ok.

Most of these laundry stalls near the hotels will charge you the same 5RMB per item.

Bill

Soulman

08-08-07, 22:52

Hope you had a good vacation in the states.

Hey didn't get to monger with you on last weekend. Hopefully next time we can do some browsing at Central Pussy. May be back in late Sept/early Oct.

Cheers

Was this in the Lucky stretch or Yalan? Sounds a lot like the infamous Sandy in Yalan. The thought of her mouth on my dick is repulsive to say the least.

OAH

Old Mean Dog

08-09-07, 02:40

I was just thinking that also. I heard from that girl, Fenny, that she only pays 1400rmb/month for her apartment, which is the blue apartment right across the street from the Miraton Hotel, kind of next to the Walter Hotel. The one with Mc Donalds and some high end shopping center on the bottom. I don't know if it is a 1 or 2 bedroom, however, she does share it with her sister.

Does anyone know if you can rent for a month to month basis?

I think our hotel bill for 11 days was like 4000rmb, more for my friends because they did laundry.

As for a wingman, it's just a lot more fun when you party with friends; you can't party by yourself.

If you want to be smack dab downtown, then the ones across from the Miraton are your best option. 2 BR/2 BA, furnished, 70 m2, for 2300-2500 a month on a 6 month lease. If you don't mind a small commute and want to be in a resort style setting, 2 BR/2 BA @ 2400, 75 m2, or a 3 BR/3 BA, 120 m2, for 3200, of the ones I saw.

2 blocks from the train station, they have just opened a brand new McDonalds, Super Vanguard and Dept Store with new apartments, soon to open, right above them. This would be a very good location for anyone who communtes often.

All require at least a 6 month lease through an agency. The Century 21 Office across the street from the Miraton has an agent who speaks decent English. Remember, that they require 2 months security deposit, 1 months rent and half a months rent as agents fee up front. Broadband is not stable yet, so only option for internet where I live is ADSL, runs really well, but at 200 rmb a month.

If you know your gonna be here for 6 months or can share with someone else, an apartment is much better on price, living conditons and "style" points with the girls.

Another note; As of Sept 4th all motorcycles and motorized bikes will be outlawed downtown, so your gonna have to cough up more for the girls ride home.

SZE

Datiao

08-09-07, 05:21

Was this in the Lucky stretch or Yalan? Sounds a lot like the infamous Sandy in Yalan. The thought of her mouth on my dick is repulsive to say the least.

OAH

It's around the Lucky stretch.
I did not have her card, but she wears a cap, small build and slim.
Will ask her name if run into her, likely returning to CP in few weeks time.

Old Mean Dog

08-09-07, 06:31

It's around the Lucky stretch.
I did not have her card, but she wears a cap, small build and slim.
Will ask her name if run into her, likely returning to CP in few weeks time.

Sounds like the mommy I saw about a month ago that AG can never seem to find.

SZE

OldAsiaHand

08-09-07, 07:33

Gentlemen,

I've been trying to catch up after a brief absence from the board during my recent vacation.

Without pointing any fingers, I must say that this thread is so full of nonsensical, extraneous and useless posts over the past few weeks, it is taking me forever. It is the same old pissing matches, flaming, and ego building bullshit that dominates the board lately.

What I want to know is the recent intelligence from the ground. For example, which BBS/mama has new arrivals and good quality talent, the current situation on crackdowns, which KTV and sauna has the best line-ups, current pricing trends, new sources of pussy, who's in town, etc. IMHO, the rest is a waste of bandwith.

"Where's the pussy at?"

Just my POV.

OAH

Santa

08-09-07, 08:06

Ace Gallant

08-09-07, 10:32

Sounds like the mommy I saw about a month ago that AG can never seem to find.

SZE

SZ,

I had been to Lucky hotel on Monday and did managed to see one mummy wearing a Baseball cap. however as I walked closer, she seem to have received a phone call from someone, jumped onto one of the Meow Mobil and took off. (Maybe she heard from her source that AG is coming down the road and might beat the shit out of her for not paying protection money??? :D )

On Tuesday afternoon after foot massage from Hui Mei, I went to Mido Cafe where I met Reader123 and friend and had lunch, during than, we saw a hot chick walked by outside. She looks like the mama (with baseball cap). Her body, height and pony tail are exactly the same except she was without her basebal cap. All of us was checking her out as she walked pass. After lunch, Sandy called me telling me a she got a new hot chick for me and I proceeded to her BBS only to find that the Hot chick was the same girl we saw earlier outside Mido Cafe.

I took her back for a ST. She was pretty good. Her looks was not a stunner but enough to complete the job. After the deed, she told me that she is starting her own BBS soon. She is currently working part time as a Mummy for the "Van hair Saloon" (Meow Mobil / Pie Wagon) and also making some extra on ST services. She does not do LT.

I am wondering whether is this the same mummy whom you had mentioned because I did not got close enough to look at the face of the mummy in baseball cap, I do not dare to confirm that it is her. But her description, body build, and her dialog certainly fits.

Enjoy!
AG

Ace Gallant

08-09-07, 10:37

Was this in the Lucky stretch or Yalan? Sounds a lot like the infamous Sandy in Yalan. The thought of her mouth on my dick is repulsive to say the least.

OAH

I had warned Sandy about pinning customers down on the couch. I told her if I see her continues to do that, I will tell all my friends to avoid her BBS. I said that in front of all the rest of the mummies.

Please let me know if she still does that to any one of you.

Speaking of this, my wingman and I were at Jojo's shop last night, I choose my girl and begin to leave with Jojo, thinking my wingman is behind me, when the door is locked after we leave the room. My wingman told me that a mommy and several of the girls started yanking off his pants and refused to let him leave since he would not choose a girl. Finally, after slinging the mommy to the couch out of frustration (I assume it was Sandy), he gave in and took a girl.

This kind of action is bullshit and I told Jojo that either her or her Uncle get this shit under control or they are gonna loose a bunch of customers.

Not trying to protect Sandy (as I don't have any special relationship with her); Not only Sandy did this kind of shit in that BBS, in one of Dan's Hawaii's post, he mentioned that my pants was yanked off in that same BBS, and that was done by Jojo and FeiFei who did that while Sandy was sitting there watching the show!

I think the worst part was that all the different mummies are followng Sandy's style. Sandy is the primary blame for starting that shit but apprarently she told me that her Hong Kong customers like that. Sorry... but any of you who are from Hong Kong ... no flaming intended but please clarify if this is true?

Enjoy!
AG

Ace Gallant

08-09-07, 11:12

gentlemen,

what i want to know is the recent intelligence from the ground. for example, which bbs/mama has new arrivals and good quality talent, the current situation on crackdowns, which ktv and sauna has the best line-ups, current pricing trends, new sources of pussy, who's in town, etc. imho, the rest is a waste of bandwith.

"where's the pussy at?"

just my pov.

oah

oah,

welcome back!

nothing had changed except the fact that; there are slight difference in the bbs scene from before. you may be glad to know that 6 -7 pm on a friday evening, there are still lots of girls in the bbs. the bbss from huimei are gone. i took a walked down that way on sunday evening, only one mummy approached me. she told me that all of them had taken to business to meow mobil. she will be moving her girls to meow mobil after last sunday.

but that does not give you an execuse to start heading up from shenzhen later!!!

there is a new disco bar that had opened in tian hong mall. (cross the road from miraton where mcdonalds is). the entence is on the side facing walter hotel. i had took a peep into the bar on tuesday night and found that it was empty. the foot massage girls from walter hotel footie told me that they been there on openning night (last friday) and they saw a lot of druggie...

i guess i will check it out and report back when i am in town next week.

enjoy!
ag

btw: 42d is still a mummy at the swan lake and there are no red boots available in this season! :d

Bill Lee

08-09-07, 14:00

As DH would say, It's time for a "Boycock."

Speaking of this, my wingman and I were at Jojo's shop last night, I choose my girl and begin to leave with Jojo, thinking my wingman is behind me, when the door is locked after we leave the room. My wingman told me that a mommy and several of the girls started yanking off his pants and refused to let him leave since he would not choose a girl. Finally, after slinging the mommy to the couch out of frustration (I assume it was Sandy), he gave in and took a girl.

This kind of action is bullshit and I told Jojo that either her or her Uncle get this shit under control or they are gonna loose a bunch of customers.

SZE

Ace Gallant

08-09-07, 14:44

Got up late as 10am and missed the free breakfast....man!!! only got 2 hours of sleep after non-stop shagging!

Sent my freebie home, and headed to a hour of meeting in the factory with my supplier.

Returned to CP, decided to check out the Pianist at the Miraton Hotel. Chatted with her and the waitress at the lobby bar.

Foot massage starts at 2pm (man!!! I must have had the most Foot massage in my lifetime while in CP!!!)

Popped over to Baby and pickup a pair of girls for the night. At Baby BBS, I bumped into Reader123 and his friends from the other website S A M...... I had been asked by them who are my girls but as always, mummy Baby would kept them away from display if she had reserved them for me.

Returning to Miraton, I took a rest in preparations for a long night ahead. Reader123 and friends were having KTV at the Hui Hwa and thus I dropped by with my girls just to say "Hi" before proceeding to Walter hotel foot massage (yes again!!!) with the girls. That's where I found out about the New Disco Bar next to Walter hotel. From our massage room, we can see clearly the entrance of the disco bar. The two waitress standing outside the bar looks nice and juicy… :p

After the foot massage, we returned to my room in which the girls did a thorough cleaning on me. The younger more inexperience one was basically learning from the 20 year old. Up the bed and the younger one start to work on me. Apparently, she used to work as a sales lady at the CP market place selling shoes. She days ago she decided to switched and sells herself instead :). While the 20 years old, had been working at the sauna for the past 2 months and decided to quit. The younger girl was just ok but mainly because she is still young, new and thus tight. While the 20 year old… was complaining of stomach ache while I was shagging her. She told me that she had a bit too much Vitamin “E” the night before and thus the bad stomach. Not withstanding their excuses, I popped once on each girl, paid them 100 each and sent them home! They were expecting 400 each for an overnighter. They complained on the amount which I told them straight off that I was not happy with their service, called Baby and had her settled the rest. While leaving, I just pop another 10RMB to them for their transport back. This must be the first time mummy Baby had failed me. I called her throwing shit at her and she is nothing but apologetic to me.

The whole night was spoilt (well… only 4hours to go before daylight at 7am, not much of a night…)… did not even bother to call in my backup (freebie). Just went to sleep… hoping to wake up tomorrow alive!

Enjoy!
AG

Soulman

08-09-07, 15:08

Ace Gallant

08-09-07, 15:44

AG,

Hey keep the daily posting coming. Classic dude! :)

Question - Is there a bus service from HKIA to CP around 10:30 PM?

I miss CP so considering coming to CP for a night tomorrow, 8/10. My flight from Malaysia arrives HKIA at 10:30 PM. I have connection to LAX thru Incheon on Sat evening so thinking about spending Fri night in CP.

Noticed BBS shop in CP is opened till late as Moody and I went to one of these joint after foot massage around 4 AM last Sun night.

Cheers

Ask nicely and you will be rewarded:

2230? Not a chance Soulman.... the last bus out of HKIA to Shenzhen is 2300. If you can make it, I can have my driver pick you up at the Shenzhen border and you be in CP by 0000hrs.(200RMB from SZ to CP). But, it is unlikely you be able to get to the bus on time. My advice, stay in Hongkong, hook up with Tiger888 and he will show you some nice places around Wanchai or get on the boat to Macau, spend a night/day in the Sauna of Macau, get over to HKIA next day. To get over to Macau, go to Hongkong Ferry terminal and buy a package deal (between HK$1388 - HK$1888) which includes the to and Fro Ferry tickets and the Sauna Package. For more info, read the Macau Threads.

If you do get into CP on Friday evening, I do not know if there are any girls left at that time... maybe the leftovers had been done by 2 to 3 men already!

In any case, I can pre-arrange some girls for you through regular mummies, PM you their cell#, you call them when you get in. But this is provided that you do not mind buying without looking at the merchandise first!

Enjoy!
AG

Old Mean Dog

08-09-07, 15:49

Met up with Sukimvetter today and decided to go for a footie over at the Walter, still the best in town in my opinion. Sukimvetter had a very hot Guangdong girl squeezing his toes, but she did not want any after work exercise.

Later, met Wang1024 and a friend of Sukimvetters had a nice dinner over at the Goose Restaurant and decided afterwards, to do a Yalan Tour. Yalan was a little short on girls, though there was one nice looker for sure and seemed to be fresh. Sukimvetter chose his regular and sped away in a taxi. Wang1024 and I decided to go visit Baby's place and she had around 20-25 girls. Wang1024 chose a very nice Hubei girl and I was half tempted to take a nice, tall, skinny gal, but decided to call a regular instead.

After Wang1024 took off, I met up with my regular and her mommy asked me if I wanted to be a "class project" for a new girl she just got in, who am I to say no?

My regular was an excellent teacher, she showed the new girl how to BBBJ without spitting, nipple suck and kiss. I tried to get them to work on each other, but all I got them to do was squeeze boobs.

After doing some DATY on the new girl, my regular asked me to break her in as I was her first laowai.....you bet I was. Did some Mish and made her ride the pink pony while my regular played with my eggs. Finally, decided it was time to reward the teacher with some Doggie and finish up with them.

Overall, it was an interesting experience.

My regular I have reported about in the past.

New girl: 19, Cute girl, nice boobs. Only knew where to put the xiao didi, but she learned fast tonight and will probably be much better next time. If you like 'em new, fresh and tight, she is certainly one to get.

SZE

Old Mean Dog

08-09-07, 15:55

If you do get into CP on Friday evening, I do not know if there are any girls left at that time... maybe the leftovers had been done by 2 to 3 men already!

Can always try the night market for a hottie. You can find the KTV, BBS and freelancers over there that nobody took home for the evening. Best if you speak Chinese and/or take a wingman with you if you decide to roll over there.

I have found a few "in-house" BBS's here and will try to sample them soon to test for quality and service.

SZE

Ace Gallant

08-09-07, 16:01

Can always try the night market for a hottie. You can find the KTV, BBS and freelancers over there that nobody took home for the evening. Best if you speak Chinese and/or take a wingman with you if you decide to roll over there.

I have found a few "in-house" BBS's here and will try to sample them soon to test for quality and service.

SZE

Good reminder,

The Night market starts around 2200hrs and open till late 3am - 4am sometimes while girls last.

However knowing Soulman.... he does not speak a single word of Chinese... well... not really... he does know how to say "Ni hao!", I doubt he is going to make it there or make it out of there alive! ;)

Enjoy!
AG

Soulman

08-09-07, 16:19

AG and SZE - Thanks for good advices!

SZE - I think we met last April in Seibu? Had dinner with OAH, Csun and few others afterwards?

Shoot, I think I'll skip CP at get on 12:30 AM flight out of HKIA. Out of money... As for nightmarket action - I can get by with little Chinese which goes like this. "ni wo fanging then press 150 on my cell phone plus hotel card". :(

I'll contact you guys when I return in late Sept/early Oct.

Cheers

Good reminder,

The Night market starts around 2200hrs and open till late 3am - 4am sometimes while girls last.

However knowing Soulman.... he does not speak a single word of Chinese... well... not really... he does know how to say "Ni hao!", I doubt he is going to make it there or make it out of there alive! ;)

Enjoy!
AG

Dan Hawaii

08-09-07, 23:28

Most reasonable priced apartment rental requires a minimum of 6 months. But I am sure there are apartments to be had for one month at a time too. But they are much harder to find, usually not through the typical real estate agent.

BTW, Santa and I got to tour one of the rental apartments in the purple building on top of the MacDonalds and they were asking for 6 month minimum. I think they were also asking for over 2,000RMB for a shitty furnished small studio.

Laundry at the Miraton, 20RMB per shirt. Oouch.

Across from the Miraton's 7/11 and about 50 feet toward the Lucky/Hui Mei is a small laundry stall with a counter. 8' wide by 12' deep.

Polo shirt or jean, 5RMB each. Drop off by 3 p.m., will have ready the next day at 1:00 p.m. Never a problem with the results. Just print your English name with the Miraton Hotel name and room # on the receipt and you'll be ok.

Most of these laundry stalls near the hotels will charge you the same 5RMB per item.

Bill
I have been to the laundry shop behind that purple apartment building with the Mc Donalds. They do deliver to Miraton Hotel if you ask them, and it's free. Just leave them your room number, and the bell hop will bring them up for you. Just tip him 10 to 20 rmb, depending how heavy your laundry is:) There is also one across the Miraton 7-11, but more towards Hui Mei, just alittle ways, kind of by the DVD shops (the one Bill mentioned above.). The property is where the American Bar and Modern Bar is. I think they are the same price as the one behind Mc Donalds, but they do not deliver, according to AG. But they are closer to the Miraton.

All my friends did laundry in the Miraton, and they paid around 1 - 3 BBS STs, kind of expensive. While I did a suitecase full of laundry for just 62 rmb, with no ironing.

Dan Hawaii

08-09-07, 23:50

Ibaski

08-10-07, 00:43

Ibaski

08-10-07, 00:53

The Manager speaks good English and is pleasant. He told me to call him before going to Sauna so he can give a discount. I saw couple of nice girls but did not use the facilities as I was done by then.

Pl forgive me if this is a double post.

Soulman

08-10-07, 01:50

Great option DH! I take it that Miraton Sauna takes credit card? I have 12 hours to decided... Sleep in HKIA hotel or come to CP tonight...

It's getting really hard to find return flights back to states. AG is stuck too but hey he is stuck in of all the place in CP. :)

I cannot get any seats out of HKG or ICN to LAX this Sat or Sun. So will stick with flying to LAX thru Seattle this Sat.

Mahalo

Another option would be to go to Miraton Hotel and hit the Sauna girls. Last trip Dan & Co arrived in CP around 1am and hit the sauna room, they had around 20 girls to choose from. The manager spoke pretty good English. The best part besides relaxing with a very experience sauna girl, is that you get to sleep in the sauna rooms overnight, for free. Basically you are paying 530rmb for the whole experience with the girl and you get to crash overnight in the sauna room. I do not know when they kick you out, because we let ourselves out at around 9am.

OldAsiaHand

08-10-07, 03:30

Soulman,

AG is only partially correct. The last "big" bus leaves at 11:00pm, but they have the smaller minivans to Huanggang providing the same service after this since the border is open 24 hours. I have caught one as late as 11:45pm once.

Another pricer alternative is to take a taxi (green) to the border.

OAH

Fast Eddie 48

08-10-07, 03:34

I almost pruchase a condo in CP about 4 yr ago. About 15 min walk from town, across a bridge. A 2 bed room, 1 bath, 800 sq ft for about $32,000 USD plus a monthly fee of $100.00 USD for for the pool and gym. I past up on a good investment. I think it will up 30% since 2003.

Fast eddie 48

Travel Dog

08-10-07, 04:57

Soulman
OAH is right you can take the minibus to HuangGang. This border is open 24hrs. From there you will have to take a taxi, look for a private car or have a someone meet you.

TD

AG is only partially correct. The last "big" bus leaves at 11:00pm, but they have the smaller minivans to Huanggang providing the same service after this since the border is open 24 hours. I have caught one as late as 11:45pm once.

Another pricer alternative is to take a taxi (green) to the border.

OAH

Ace Gallant

08-10-07, 05:36

Soulman
OAH is right you can take the minibus to HuangGang. This border is open 24hrs. From there you will have to take a taxi, look for a private car or have a someone meet you.

TD

For knowing Soulman, I would not even suggest that to him. Too much trouble for him besides the part that he barely speaks a few words of Chinese. He would be a perfect target for the drivers to rip off.

We have to keep in mind not everyone are seasoned traveller like us.

OAH: I know of this bus service but will not even dare to suggest to Soulman. In fact in HKIA, there are even some private taxis cost around (250 - 400) that is willing to take you to HuangGang border anytime. But you need to negotiate on the price. There are also some private cars with dual number plates that will take you across the border and even directly into CP or anywhere in Guangdong Cost (400 - 2000), again price is a matter of negotiation.

The options are many but, we have to size it up for the type of customer.

Sorry Soulman... I knew you were a regular in Humen couple years ago but I was just trying to keep you out of trouble. Party again when you return!

Enjoy!
AG

Dan Hawaii

08-10-07, 06:10

The manager does speak good English and is pleasant. He told me to call him before going to sauna so he can give me discount. I saw couple of nice girls but did not use the facilities as I was done otherwise.
What kind of discounts was he offerring? For my next trip, I want to hit the sauna girls more, because they are the most experienced providers in CP. The rate I was getting, if you are staying in the Miraton Hotel, was 400 rmb if you do the deed in your own hotel room.

100rmb for room service
300rmb for the girl.

530 if you do it in the sauna facility.

Dan Hawaii

08-10-07, 06:16

Great option DH! I take it that Miraton Sauna takes credit card? I have 12 hours to decided... Sleep in HKIA hotel or come to CP tonight...

It's getting really hard to find return flights back to states. AG is stuck too but hey he is stuck in of all the place in CP. :)

I cannot get any seats out of HKG or ICN to LAX this Sat or Sun. So will stick with flying to LAX thru Seattle this Sat.

Mahalo
Yeap, they take credit cards. You can even pay the girl with credit card, I'm not kidding, because that's what I did. I feel the sauna girls give the most awesome experience by far. They have a routine they have to follow, but every girl has their own twist and maybe add on some different pleasurable stuff.

Ace Gallant

08-10-07, 06:31

What kind of discounts was he offerring? For my next trip, I want to hit the sauna girls more, because they are the most experienced providers in CP. The rate I was getting, if you are staying in the Miraton Hotel, was 400 rmb if you do the deed in your own hotel room.

100rmb for room service
300rmb for the girl.

530 if you do it in the sauna facility.

If you are a Miraton Hotel guest, show them your Room Card key, and you will get a 15% discount straight away. But as mentioned before, Miraton Hotel's Sauna is not offically open to outsiders (or at least suspicous outsiders) So, they want you to call before you show up. This is also because that it is normally fully booked on the weekends.

Miraton's Sauna was raided and offically closed by the police last year. That's why they had removed all the Sauna signs and indication in the Elevators of the hotel. It now reads "Steam Rooms" instead of Sauna.

Enjoy!
AG
BTW: IBASKI, please send a PM or Report to Moderator to delete the double posting. We know the Internet sometimes can be slow and thus causes double posting.

Dan Hawaii

08-10-07, 06:59

If you are a Miraton Hotel guest, show them your Room Card key, and you will get a 15% discount straight away. But as mentioned before, Miraton Hotel's Sauna is not offically open to outsiders (or at least suspicous outsiders) So, they want you to call before you show up. This is also because that it is normally fully booked on the weekends.
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So you get 15% off of the 400rmb when the sauna girl goes to your room?
Or get 15% off the in-house sauna fee of 538rmb?

Or both applies?

Old Mean Dog

08-10-07, 07:04

The options are many but, we have to size it up for the type of customer.

Enjoy!
AG

AG,

Didin't know you were in the Service Industry also!!

Soulman,

OAH is spot on about the mini buses, if you can get to the Huang Gang border crossing, I can get you a private car and driver and if really needed, a translator to escort you to CP. Should you need even better service, I can get you a car/driver to meet you at HKIA and take you directly to CP. I am in the Service Industry and help foreigners often.

-SZE

Ace Gallant

08-10-07, 07:06

So you get 15% off of the 400rmb when the sauna girl goes to your room?
Or get 15% off the in-house sauna fee of 538rmb?

Or both applies?

Sorry, did not made it clear;

15% off the sauna room charges. If you call the girls to your room, there are no discount.

Enjoy!
AG

Ace Gallant

08-10-07, 07:11

AG,

Didin't know you were in the Service Industry also!!

-SZE

Yes, I do have another company that is in service industry but for this case, I am not a travel agent. I only help to arrange Hotels, Transport, Girls ;) for those guys I know well on the board. I do not do that for just about anyone.

Anyways, Soulman had decided to go straight home due to cashflow running low and thus, let's just move on....

Lastly, I do not get a cut out of any of these!!!! (As I had stated many times before).

Enjoy!
AG

Soulman

08-10-07, 08:12

Gotta run. Calling for my flight to KL now.

Decisions descisions. Got few hours to decide. Please PM me your numbers and I'll call you gents.

Did HG stints before and arms of men grabbing me and my luggage thru the gaunlet of sort...

AG,

Didin't know you were in the Service Industry also!!

Soulman,

OAH is spot on about the mini buses, if you can get to the Huang Gang border crossing, I can get you a private car and driver and if really needed, a translator to escort you to CP. Should you need even better service, I can get you a car/driver to meet you at HKIA and take you directly to CP. I am in the Service Industry and help foreigners often.

-SZE

Bill Lee

08-10-07, 13:54

He does speak decent English. But he really wants you to call him directly so he can get a bigger commission on your visit. There's nothing wrong with that and I don't believe your discounted price will change.

If you show up unannounced, he won't get that big commission. He was annoyed at us when we did that to him one time. We returned with five guys and he was pissed. He explained that the best way to contact him was to call his cell first and he would make the arrangement so he would get a better cut. He instructed us to call back in 3 hours or more and set up an appointment. This is a "honest" guy.

He also told us which girls were good and bad and according to one fellow monger, his review was right on the button. Pretty face, like a movie star but bad service. But our buddy knew in advance and was still not disappointed.

Below is Simon's card. He's in his 40's and speaks Cantonese too. I believe his surname is Mr. Lee.

Bill

The Manager speaks good English and is pleasant. He told me to call him before going to Sauna so he can give a discount. I saw couple of nice girls but did not use the facilities as I was done by then.

Pl forgive me if this is a double post.

Bill Lee

08-10-07, 14:12

Thanks for the detail on my laundry place. I know I have a photo of the place but your description was enough.

Another small thing about this laundry stall was that the guy there let me take back his hangers to the hotel without charging me extra. I did the right thing by returning them each time I drop off my next laundry load and before I left town.

Otherwise, they give you folded and ironed shirts and pants.

You know that the hotel never give you enough hangers.

One time the laundry guy gave me the wrong pant and chase me down to the Miraton, waited over an hour at the lobby to find me to correct the mistake. That's was before I started putting my room number on the receipt.

Bill

I have been to the laundry shop behind that purple apartment building with the Mc Donalds. They do deliver to Miraton Hotel if you ask them, and it's free. Just leave them your room number, and the bell hop will bring them up for you. Just tip him 10 to 20 rmb, depending how heavy your laundry is:) There is also one across the Miraton 7-11, but more towards Hui Mei, just alittle ways, kind of by the DVD shops (the one Bill mentioned above.). The property is where the American Bar and Modern Bar is. I think they are the same price as the one behind Mc Donalds, but they do not deliver, according to AG. But they are closer to the Miraton.

All my friends did laundry in the Miraton, and they paid around 1 - 3 BBS STs, kind of expensive. While I did a suitecase full of laundry for just 62 rmb, with no ironing.

Ibaski

08-10-07, 17:46

Bill Lee

08-11-07, 02:15

It would help if you told us what day of the week it is.

Crossing on a Sunday morning is different from Monday morning because of the returning Hong Kong crowd.

Most people will tell you that you should allow 4 to 5 hours from CP to HKIA.

Try going next door from the Miraton to the Hui Hua, there's a van service (not the bus) there located right of the main entrance. They have a passenger van that takes about 2.5 to 3.0 hours to get from CP to HKIA. Find out their first scheduled van out to HKIA.

Santa took it on a weekday and got there 10 minutes passed the advertised time. I took it on Saturday, at 2:00 p.m. and got there about 3 hours later. There were two stops along the way for my trip.

A change of van at the van's waiting station just before the border with a waiting time of no more than 15 minutes and the HK and China border crossings, about 20 minutes total.

This van service allows you to give your passport to the van driver who takes it the Chinese border guard office. Then about 10 minutes later, you leave the van and file into the border guard to pick up your passport.

Once you get your passport, then about 5 minutes later, your van gets you to the HK border where the HK border guard confirms your presence while you're still in the van and then return your passport to the driver.

Otherwise, you might have to get a private car to take you to the border then cross over for a cab or bus to HKIA.

Whatever you do, don't take the bus. Even if you wore their bus badge, it's still confusing when you're crossing the two borders and the lines are usually long.

Try contacting Szepat, he can help you with the entire trip if you wind up using a private car.

Bill

I have a flight out of HKIA at 10.30 AM. Last time I took a bus right from Mliraton, but that was for 11.30 flight. What are my choices to be at HKIA by 8.30 AM.

I have read enough about border crossings and it is so confusing. Any help/comments would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Ace Gallant

08-11-07, 02:16

I have a flight out of HKIA at 10.30 AM. Last time I took a bus right from Mliraton, but that was for 11.30 flight. What are my choices to be at HKIA by 8.30 AM.

I have read enough about border crossings and it is so confusing. Any help/comments would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

If you want to arrive at 0830AM:

The best way is to take the E&E Bus service (Eternal East) from Miraton Hotel and it take approx 3 hours. The first bus is at 05.48am from Miraton Hotel. You can book the tickets (200RMB) from the Business center of Miraton Hotel. You will be crossing the Huanggang border at around 7am and thus there is no crowd at that time Weekend or weekdays. I once had a flight out of HKIA at 08.30 and had took this 05.48am bus; had no problems reaching HKIA on time. The only set back is if you happens to be the only guy at that time, they will pick you up with a Van, transfer you to a Bus at Ban San Yao Resort (in Tangxia) and transfer you again to a 7 seater MPV when you cross over to the HK border.

Of course there are other choices like taking a private car from Miraton to Shenzhen Huanggang border crossing, than transfer to the many other possible transport at Huanggang to HKIA. Once you which Huanggang; there are several Bus services counters or most of the time there are sales people in uniform there trying to sell you their transport service to HKIA. If you want the luxury option of not wanting to leave your transport, you can opt for the Private Car (Bao Che) option The approximate cost is around 1200RMB – 1500RMB. They will pick you up on a private car with dual plates and bring you all the way to HKIA without any hustle.

Enjoy!

AG

Prince Darkness

08-11-07, 02:37

Below is Simon's card. He's in his 40's and speaks Cantonese too. I believe his surname is Mr. Lee.

Bill[/QUOTE]This is great. Thanks for the business card scan. Does anybody have the business card for the Kande Club in Houjie, or the sanua for Hui Mei? And maybe some discounts. This would be great for my next trip. Call before taking the bus to CP.

Thanks in advance

Bill Lee

08-11-07, 04:40

i can't upload the van schedule unless i reduce it to a size where the characters are too fuzzy. anyway, the earliest van is 5:50 a.m. from cp's hui mei and 5:55 a.m. from cp's hui hua to hkia.

the price is 200 rmb, just alittle more than the bus.

any one who has ridden the van will tell you it's the way to go for speed and convenience.

btw, i am wrong about the time from cp to hkia, it's more like 2.5 to 3 hour ride.

tell us how it turn out?

good luck
bill

i have a flight out of hkia at 10.30 am. last time i took a bus right from mliraton, but that was for 11.30 flight. what are my choices to be at hkia by 8.30 am.

i have read enough about border crossings and it is so confusing. any help/comments would be greatly appreciated.

thanks in advance.

Old Mean Dog

08-11-07, 05:27

Of course there are other choices like taking a private car from Miraton to Shenzhen Huanggang border crossing, than transfer to the many other possible transport at Huanggang to HKIA. Once you which Huanggang; there are several Bus services counters or most of the time there are sales people in uniform there trying to sell you their transport service to HKIA. If you want the luxury option of not wanting to leave your transport, you can opt for the Private Car (Bao Che) option The approximate cost is around 1200RMB – 1500RMB. They will pick you up on a private car with dual plates and bring you all the way to HKIA without any hustle.

Enjoy!

AG

As you told Soulman, if you don't speak the language, then this is a difficult task to do once in the mainland. Going to CP from HKIA or up to Huanggang is not a problem, it's after you cross the border that things become confusing.

If you can schedule from a "Service Provider" or directly from your hotel you are much better off. There are numerous options available for anything you need, just contact AG's Travel Service for more details.

-SZE

Santa

08-11-07, 08:05

The other option.

Don't go to the fucking HK airport. Stay in CP shagging and drinking yourself silly.

One Wing Low

08-11-07, 09:56

Where and when do you pick up this Eternal East van to go from HKIA to CP?

I always go to SZ first but can skip it.

If you want to arrive at 0830AM:

The best way is to take the E&E Bus service (Eternal East) from Miraton Hotel and it take approx 3 hours. The first bus is at 05.48am from Miraton Hotel. You can book the tickets (200RMB) from the Business center of Miraton Hotel. You will be crossing the Huanggang border at around 7am and
AG

OldAsiaHand

08-11-07, 10:12

BIG AL, our Da Laoban, has returned from the mountains of Moldovia. :D All hail!

Quickly, find him a girl in red boots!

Santa,

It is too hot for boots this time of year, but the short skirts and hotpants still do it for me. I doesn't get any better than a pair of high heels and those super short hotpants on a pair of long legs.

OAH

Ace Gallant

08-11-07, 10:22

Where and when do you pick up this Eternal East van to go from HKIA to CP?

I always go to SZ first but can skip it.

If you are coming from HKIA to CP I recommend you to take the Skylimo instead of E&E Bus. Skylimo counter can be found just at the left hand side of the exit after the customs. This is just before the exit into the main arrival hall B. There are a rows of counters including a Bank money exchange on the right hand side of the row. Skylimo counter is the furtherest Left side counter. The tickets to CP is 180HK$. After you bought the tickets, they will lead you to the left hand side basement of the Limo pick up point where you will board the MPV (7 seater) which will take you all the way to Huangang Shenzhen side. You do not need to get off on the Hongkong side but you will have to get off the China for custom and immigration. Once you get into Shehzhen side, there will be Skylimo staff waiting to point you to another Van or car which will take you to CP. They will identify you by your skylimo sticker which they nicely pasted on your jacket or shirt at HKIA.

If you exit into Arrival hall A you can still find the skylimo counter among the Bus transport counter right in the middle of arrival hall A. (Marked A08) in my attached map.

For E&E bus services, you will have to get off on both side of the immigration. The directions for E&E services is also on the map attacted.

Enjoy!
AG

Dan Hawaii

08-11-07, 11:53

Dan Hawaii

08-11-07, 11:58

The other option.

Don't go to the fucking HK airport. Stay in CP shagging and drinking yourself silly.
I was thinking the same freaking thing on the way to HKIA and on the airplane back to Hawaii. WTF, you read my mind. AND I'm still thinking the same thing, that is why "I'm going back to Cali, I mean CP, CP, CP, I'm going back to CP, CP, CP, I think so". :)

Dan Hawaii

08-11-07, 12:08

If you are coming from HKIA to CP I recommend you to take the Skylimo instead of E&E Bus. Skylimo counter can be found just at the left hand side of the exit after the customs. This is just before the exit into the main arrival hall B. There are a rows of counters including a Bank money exchange on the right hand side of the row. Skylimo counter is the furtherest Left side counter. The tickets to CP is 180HK$. After you bought the tickets, they will lead you to the left hand side basement of the Limo pick up point where you will board the MPV (7 seater) which will take you all the way to Huangang Shenzhen side. You do not need to get off on the Hongkong side but you will have to get off the China for custom and immigration. Once you get into Shehzhen side, there will be Skylimo staff waiting to point you to another Van or car which will take you to CP. They will identify you by your skylimo sticker which they nicely pasted on your jacket or shirt at HKIA.

If you exit into Arrival hall A you can still find the skylimo counter among the Bus transport counter right in the middle of arrival hall A. (Marked A08) in my attached map.

For E&E bus services, you will have to get off on both side of the immigration. The directions for E&E services is also on the map attacted.

Enjoy!
AG
when is the last skylimo leaving HKIA? I think all my flight options make me land in HK late in the evening. Don't want to be stuck in HK, because HK sucks and want get my Miraton sauna girl ASAP.

Ace Gallant

08-11-07, 12:18

Suck Harder

08-11-07, 13:31

The tickets to CP is 180HK$. After you bought the tickets, they will lead you to the left hand side basement of the Limo pick up point where you will board the MPV (7 seater) which will take you all the way to Huangang Shenzhen side. You do not need to get off on the Hongkong side but you will have to get off the China for custom and immigration. Once you get into Shehzhen side, there will be Skylimo staff waiting to point you to another Van or car which will take you to CP.
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Enjoy!AGHi AG, I called up SkyLimo at HKIA but they quoted me HKD$600 for the 7 seater van... At first I thought it is 1 whole car by myself, but they said I still need to share with others. ie single seat = HKD600!!! Is HKD$180 for bus instead of MPV?

Thanks.

Regards, SH.

Playboy2000

08-11-07, 14:58

Hi everyone,

Thanks again for all the advice and informatio, both in the forums and through PMs. I arrive Sunday August 19, leave Wed morning Aug 22, and hope to stay in the Mirathon. I can't wait - it all sounds so exotic, and Chinese women are so beautiful. I am up lesson 14 of Pimsleur!

I really don't have any additional questions at this point, as I have RTFF extensively and have exchanged numerous PMs with many of you.

I hope to get together with Szexpat on Sunday for a BBS tour and dinner. Perhaps others will join us?

On Monday I am hoping that we can organize a group to go to a KTV (preferably Jia YI, Amazon, or Hui Mei). I have never done a KTV. Please post a message on this board if you might be interested. (Or PM me.)

Regards, RT

Pointpanic

08-11-07, 15:03

when is the last skylimo leaving HKIA? I think all my flight options make me land in HK late in the evening. Don't want to be stuck in HK, because HK sucks and want get my Miraton sauna girl ASAP.

Try China Airlines which has an earlier filight that arrives HKIA at 3:30 or so which has a one stop over in Taipei. AGs suggestions on MPV are a good choice. Watch out on the return which some days has two stops in Taipei and Narita. Also you can fly into Guangzhou from Narita which lands at 6 so you can have your sauna girl by 8:30 on Japan Airlines which has really reasonable prices. You don't have to go back out that way as you can drop down to Shekou visit the bars and head out on the ferry the next morning or vistit SZE then go to Haunggang the next morning and out that way to HKIA. You can just catch the early bus from the Miraton and make the 11:45 flight on China Airlines or the 10:45 flight on Japan Airlines. My times are what I can remember but they are close enough. Hope these additional alternatives help.

Waikikibob

Santa

08-11-07, 15:46

Starting Nov 15, Cathay Pacific will be adding 5 new daily flights from the US to HongKong. 3 from JFK and 2 from SanFrancisco.

One Wing Low

08-11-07, 18:12

Hi AG,

You are a real bro. Thanks for giving me the info.

Sky limo is how I go to SZ everytime. So Sky Limo also goes to CP and other towns. The Skylimo girl who picks you up at the SZ border is so cute. Everytime I met her I would tell her 'You are so pretty...' and she would blush...If I say the same thing to HK girls, they would probably come back with a quick 'FUCK YOU!'

Ahhhhhhhhh... what a difference...

What other towns does Sky Limo go to? Guangzhou and Zhuhai possibly? I am asking this because my SZ freebie wants to get out of town with me for the weekend. Tentatively we will go to Zhuhai unless you can suggest a better location for good fun and good restaurants that wont blow all my credit cards.

So tentatively I will spend the long weekend with her at the Grand Bay View hotel near LHL. We will have our honeymoon there...This girl is a business acquaintance, is young, very pretty and speaks English reasonably well, so she's worth spending a couple days and nights with. She will explore ZH with me. There are many spots in ZH like the Bar street that looks like fun to take a girl too. We can hang out on Bar street while she teaches me Chinese and the arts of French kissing...

Between hot sex sessions, I want to spend time with her enjoying good food, good drinks, good entertaiments... I like to hang out in clubs with good music, shows and dancing while I discreetly grope and kiss her in the dark... That kind of silly stuffs really turn on the girls IMO, making them red hot for sex. She would probably be drippy by the time we take a quick cab ride back to the hotel...

We will go to Macau for some fun. I dont want to give her money to gamble eventhough that seems to be the main vice for Chinese girls besides fucking. We will try to find the main differences in lifestyles and attitudes between the Macau Chinese and mainlanders, a socio-cultural tour with unlimited hot sex with a very attractive girl so to say...

I will probably rent a cheap room on LHL to take the street girls to when the freebie is sleeping. Does that sound like a good plan??? Johnny Kun please help me out here and give me some ideas...Will buy you all the beers or diet coke you can drink when I hit ZH...

Thanks, bros for your info...

If you are coming from HKIA to CP I recommend you to take the Skylimo instead of E&E Bus. Skylimo counter can be found just at the left hand side of the exit after the customs. This is just before the exit into the main arrival hall B.
immigration. Once you get into Shehzhen side, there will be Skylimo staff waiting to point you to another Van or car which will take you to CP. They will identify you by your skylimo sticker which they nicely pasted on your jacket or shirt at HKIA.

If you exit into Arrival hall A you can still find the skylimo counter among the Bus transport counter right in the middle of arrival hall A. (Marked A08) in my attached map.

Enjoy!
AG

Ace Gallant

08-11-07, 18:28

Hi AG,

You are a real bro. Thanks for giving me the info.

Sky limo is how I go to SZ everytime. So Sky Limo also goes to CP and other towns. What other towns does it go to? Guangzhou and Zhuhai possibly?

Here's a link which allow you to search for the schedule of connections into Guangdong.

http://www.hongkongairport.com/CBT/Controller?locale=eng

BTW: Skylimo is provided by two transport Companies:

Eternal East Cross-Border Coach Mtg. Ltd. &
Trans-Island Limousine Service Ltd.

Enjoy!
AG

Ace Gallant

08-11-07, 19:03

What other towns does Sky Limo go to? Guangzhou and Zhuhai possibly? I am asking this because my SZ freebie wants to get out of town with me for the weekend. Tentatively we will go to Zhuhai unless you can suggest a better location for good fun and good restaurants that wont blow all my credit cards.

So tentatively I will spend the long weekend with her at the Guangdong Regency hotel on LHL. This girl is a business acquaintance, is pretty and speaks English reasonable well, so she's worth spending a couple days and nights with. She will explore ZH with me. There are many spots in ZH like the Bar street that looks like fun to take a girl too. We can hang out on Bar street while she teaches me Chinese and the arts of French kissing...We will go to Macau for some fun. I dont want to have to give her money to gamble eventhough that seems to be the main vice for Chinese girls besides fucking.

I will probably rent a cheap room on LHL to take the street girls to when the freebie is sleeping. Does that sound like a good plan??? Johnny Kun please help me out here and give me some ideas...

Thanks, bro for your info...

If you are thinking of getting out for the weekend with or without your freebie, I suggest you book the private car service by the days. They will take you to anywhere you want to go, even to Fujian, Hainan etc... I can recommend you a private car service which I use many times and had recommend him to many of my ISG friends. a full day booking will cost around 1000 - 1500 per day depending on hours or desination.

Let's take this discussion offline and use the PM.

Enjoy!
AG

Old Mean Dog

08-11-07, 19:13

Is anyone else getting laid in Dongguan, or do I need to post all my sorted details?

I tested one of my regulars tonight after she asked to come over tonight, I told her sure she could come over as a friend and hang out, but I wasn't in the mood to be a customer. She told me she has no time for friends or hanging out and to never contact her again......lol, just goes to show you what her priorities are.

SZE

P.S. I got laid tonight, but that kind of info is boring because it seems others on this thread want to just turn it into the Lonely Planet Travel Guide.

Bill Lee

08-12-07, 00:05

http://www.toandfromtheairport.com/hongkong.html

Skylimo is listed among them. It looks like they close at 2400 hour. I suggest you still contact them to confirm the last departure hour.

If you wanna contact Sinoway, their telephone at HKIA is 852 27352229 and 96250918. Their booth at HKIA is A03 and the price for a MVP to CP is 250RMB.

Bill
Lonely Planet Travel Guy

when is the last skylimo leaving HKIA? I think all my flight options make me land in HK late in the evening. Don't want to be stuck in HK, because HK sucks and want get my Miraton sauna girl ASAP.

Dan Hawaii

08-12-07, 00:47

http://www.toandfromtheairport.com/hongkong.html

Skylimo is listed among them. It looks like they close at 2400 hour. I suggest you still contact them to confirm the last departure hour.

If you wanna contact Sinoway, their telephone at HKIA is 852 27352229 and 96250918. Their booth at HKIA is A03 and the price for a MVP to CP is 250RMB.

Bill
Lonely Planet Travel Guy
Thanks Bill Lee, I'll check these options. It seems all the busses stop running at 2200 hours. The time I arrive. I will figure something out. I emailed SkyLimo and will let you guys know whats up with them. I will call Sinoway, as I never saw any info on them.

Ace Gallant

08-12-07, 04:02

Hi AG, I called up SkyLimo at HKIA but they quoted me HKD$600 for the 7 seater van... At first I thought it is 1 whole car by myself, but they said I still need to share with others. ie single seat = HKD600!!! Is HKD$180 for bus instead of MPV?

Thanks.

Regards, SH.

Nope,

I am very sure it is HK$180 for the MPV, I took that service 20 over times in the past 6 months. HK$1200 if you (Bao Che) take the car by yourself. I think someone is trying to rip you off with HK$600, next time ask for her name.

Enjoy
AG

Dan Hawaii

08-12-07, 04:06

guys , this is the website from canada that i was given by an isg guy , i think it was santa , but i am not sure. i bought 10 of the soft gel , they work faster. they are cheap and they do work.

enjoy tile man

http://www.thecanadianmeds.com/item.php?id=267

if jackson will not let the website be seen , please private message me.
i ordered some from that website above and it was not real viagra. i ordered it for my july trip, like 2 weeks prior and it did not arrive in time. i was like wtf, why is it taking so long. then i finally got it and its fake and from india. its called pfiagara. wtf!!!!! i have not tried it, but i will bring it along for my sept trip. it looks professionally wraped but who knows. i do not recommend this website, above. i'll let you know how my little brother feels about it.

anyways, you can buy real viagra in china at the government pharmacies located everywhere in cp. costs 500rmb for 5 of the 100mg @ $13.30 each, kind of the same price as the usa @ $12.50 each, but no need a prescription. i felt it was a little weaker, but maybe it was all in my mind. but it sure does work.

i heard cialis is better than viagra??? i'll try to get some and compare.

Santa

08-12-07, 04:30

The viagra I had was from XLPharmacy.com

It was good. But now I am unable to access my account and they have not returned my e-mail. I am unable to order more. I don't know what the problem is.

Softy

08-12-07, 06:23

Well, despite my initial surprise at the scene in CP and being a bit taken aback by the agressiveness of the mommies, the bug has bitten.

I have been dreaming about the lithe bodies of the locale and particularly the fresh bodies from the pussy mobiles and have been wanting to get back almost from the moment I departed.

So, although my every other month's trip to China is abbreviated to 8 days this month, and the fact that I only had one day free, I am making the trek up to CP from HK on my way to other parts on the 25th of this month for one evening. Faced with the choice of moving on from Hk to my Monday destination on the 25th, simply staying in HK (one of my long, long time favorite mongering locations) or detouring to CP for one night, the choice was actually fairly easy.

I would enjoy getting together with whomever is around at that time. I would'nt mind trying one of the local KTV's but am open to just about anything that anyone would like to do as CP seems to offer an endless array of adventuresome mongering opportunities - all of which I am eager to familiarize myself with.

I am a paid senior member, so hit me up if any of you will be around at that time.

Ibaski

08-13-07, 06:35

Ibaski

08-13-07, 06:54

I am no expert on CP with less than 24 hours but thought it would be entertaning for all to read my experience.

After enjoying the fireworks (around CNY) at the park next to Huimei around 11 PM all I wanted to do was to catch a few hours sleep and wake up in time for my early AM departure. Not so fast. One of the mommies caught me outside Miraton and despite many signs of disinterest and signs of going to sleep, followed me right in to the lobby. I thought well, she has to leave now.

GUESS WHAT! She is in the elevator with me. LOL. Next thing I know she is in my room. I am still telling her all I want to do is to go to sleep. Nope, she tells me girl will be here in 5 mins, you don't like it is ok.

OK 5 mins later sweet thing arrives and I don't have the heart to refuse.

Throughout this entire episode mommie was completely friendly and I kind of enjoyed the situation.come on, where in the world somebody is going to pursuade you to have sweet young thing for practically nothing?

Ohhhh BTW the girl did rock my world for an hour and half. I don't mind losing my sleep for that.

Old Mean Dog

08-13-07, 07:36

Dan Hawaii

08-13-07, 08:49

My Wingman decided he needed a shot of ass last night around 11 pm so decided to call a new mommy for us. Mommy wanted to send 10 girls over for a lineup, but we told her HELL NO, since we are living in an upstanding private residentual complex so told her just send 2. 5 Girls arrive 30 minutes later, damn mommy, wingman chooses best one (since he was paying for us) and the rest I did not like, so I sent them away. I called one of my regulars over and by the time she got there, my wingman was done and wanted another. My regular called him a girl over and this time the guards at the gate were looking at us with "shit eating" grins on their faces after parading 7 girls through our apartment. Mi Vida Loca...

Anyway, new mommy is a mobile BBS and all her girls are 150 rmb, I have the number if anyone really needs it, but if your staying downtown, pussy can be found anywhere.

-SZE

P.S. More and more Mobile BBS's seem to be popping up.
SZE,

Is is true that all the BBS's behind Hui Mei are gone? If it is, then damn, that was my number 1 spot for finding delictable girls. I'm so surprised that I never bumped into any Pie Wagons or MPV's(Multi Pussy Vehicles) :) the last trip in July. I guess no need a LAN line anymore, everyone's mobile now. In the USA it is cheaper to have a Mobile Phone than a LAN line. Guess it's true in China too. :)

Ace Gallant

08-13-07, 10:42

Thank you AG,BL and DH.

I took the EE bus from CP to HKIA when my flight was at 11.30. Plenty of time and hassle free, other than getting out to go thru customs and immigration.

Beats the mad rush crossing from Zhuhai and catching the ferry at Macau and then taking the Airport Express in Hong Kong. Mind you, Zhuhai border only opens at 7 am and I have done it successfully to catch 11.30 am flight out of HKIA ( last one in).

I am leaving on Monday. So it is a weekday. I have the EE schedule as I took it before. Leaving at 5.48, it should arrive at HKIA around 8.50. For 10.25 Am flight it is just right unless something goes wrong somewhere with no margin for error.

AG, I dont understand how you could have taken this to catch a 8.30 AM flight !!!!

Since it appears there is no public transportation at that early morning hour the only other choice seems to be to take a private taxi to Huangang border and then take another seperate bus/taxi to HKIA.

Did anybody do this ? What would be the fare from CP to Huangang ?
I am guessing from the Huanggang border to HKIA would be about 250 HK by Taxi and about 45 minutes driving time.

Nope, I am not interested in luxury private car service at 1200 yuan. Defeats the purpose of going to CP in the first place and I might as well stay in Shenzen.

Senior members please cut me some slack here for persisting with this thread. The language barrier is HUGE in China. On top of it, seems like I am trying to do my getting out on an impossible schedule.

I have been to most of the world and Pearl River Delta beats the pants out of everything in terms of difficulty with language and ofcourse SEX.

Considering the difficulties and no real solutions so far, would you advise Shenzen instead of CP ?

Thanks a million.

Firstly sorry for the mis-information, What I meant in my previous posting was; my flight was 1030am and I had reach HKIA at 0830am without problems. I don't really prove read my own posting.

Of course you are also right about the fact that whether you are able to make it to HKIA on time is subjected to the border crossing. I had once got caught at the border crossing for over an hour! However most of the time when I took the E&E bus from CP, it will arrived at Huanggang around 7am and thus not much of crowd at the crossing.

I use a private car from Miraton to Shenzhen Huanggang for 200RMB, it is the same company that Miraton hotel uses but if you book through the hotel they will charge you 80RMB more. PM me if you need the number to book directly.

Once you get to Huanggang Border (SZ) there are many options that you can use to get you from there to HKIA. You will be pproached by many. E&E bus from there is just one of the many options. I remembered once I took the E&E from Huanggang, It cost me RMB150. So total of 350RMB if you take this option. The only advantage of this option is that with the private care from CP to Huanggang, it is one direct route and it is about 45 - 55 mins journey. So that you can actually gain about 15mins of time (Not much but if you want assurance to get to HKIA on time).

Shenzhen is KTVs.... the choice is yours.

Enjoy!
AG

Old Mean Dog

08-13-07, 13:51

SZE,

Is is true that all the BBS's behind Hui Mei are gone? If it is, then damn, that was my number 1 spot for finding delictable girls. I'm so surprised that I never bumped into any Pie Wagons or MPV's(Multi Pussy Vehicles) :) the last trip in July. I guess no need a LAN line anymore, everyone's mobile now. In the USA it is cheaper to have a Mobile Phone than a LAN line. Guess it's true in China too. :)

I will check tomorrow since I will meet OAH downtown. I have never been a big fan of the BBS's behind the Hui Mei as the girls seem to be of lesser quality and run through more. I think the Yalan area and MPV's (Mobile Pussy Vans) are much better and it makes much better sense to be mobile than having a fixed location, so less police raids and thugs coming in. Besides being able to take the girls to the customer, which makes it very user friendly, it saves us mongers 15 rmb in transportation costs.

SZE

Ace Gallant

08-13-07, 14:41

My Wingman decided he needed a shot of ass last night around 11 pm so decided to call a new mommy for us. Mommy wanted to send 10 girls over for a lineup, but we told her HELL NO, since we are living in an upstanding private residentual complex so told her just send 2. 5 Girls arrive 30 minutes later, damn mommy, wingman chooses best one (since he was paying for us) and the rest I did not like, so I sent them away. I called one of my regulars over and by the time she got there, my wingman was done and wanted another. My regular called him a girl over and this time the guards at the gate were looking at us with "shit eating" grins on their faces after parading 7 girls through our apartment. Mi Vida Loca...

Anyway, new mommy is a mobile BBS and all her girls are 150 rmb, I have the number if anyone really needs it, but if your staying downtown, pussy can be found anywhere.

I assumed that you have a short term Lease of 6 months to your place and do not intend to live there for very long? Pretty dangerous to do a thing like that, especially when you are a foreigner.... Be careful my friend!

-SZE

P.S. More and more Mobile BBS's seem to be popping up.

Why am I not surpirse? Hey... didn't I said so in one of my previous post two months ago? The good thing about this is; you make the pussies come to you!! And SZ, that's 15RMB one way and 30 RMB to & fro!

Enjoy!
AG

Old Mean Dog

08-13-07, 17:08

I assumed that you have a short term Lease of 6 months to your place and do not intend to live there for very long? Pretty dangerous to do a thing like that, especially when you are a foreigner.... Be careful my friend!

Why am I not surpirse? Hey... didn't I said so in one of my previous post two months ago? The good thing about this is; you make the pussies come to you!! And SZ, that's 15RMB one way and 30 RMB to & fro!

Enjoy!
AG

I think most all the locals know what the laowai like to do when they come to CP, so it doesn't really surprise them. I always tell my regulars to tone it down on the clothes and makeup when they come to visit me. I do not like to do lineups at my apartment, and have already told my wingman, only regulars allowed or go find a girl at a shop and bring her back.

You see the rich HK guys here with their KTV 2nd wives and in the morning, you will see the xiaojies marching out the gate. This is CP and sex is everywhere. Even on both sides of my complex is 3 "relaxation" massage joints, where the girls sit in the lobby in those spandex mini dresses and I was actually offered a girl at the train station tonight, which is the first time I have ever been approached about this at that location.

Mobile BBS's makes good business sense, this should have happened long ago. I see more things going on here now as a resident, then I did as a common traveler passing through.

Actually, now that you mention it, there is no transportation costs at all so, you are actually saving 45 rmb!! Now, if they only had a frequent buyers card or coupons, I would really be popping more.

Has anyone ever tried the Sun Kong Hotel Massage? If so, what were the services provided?

-SZE

Babaluba

08-13-07, 17:12

SZE,

Is is true that all the BBS's behind Hui Mei are gone? If it is, then damn, that was my number 1 spot for finding delictable girls. I'm so surprised that I never bumped into any Pie Wagons or MPV's(Multi Pussy Vehicles) :) the last trip in July. I guess no need a LAN line anymore, everyone's mobile now. In the USA it is cheaper to have a Mobile Phone than a LAN line. Guess it's true in China too. :)Hi,

Just been there the first time two days ago. There are still BBS behind Hu Mei and mommies happy to lead you there around and show their merchandise. Maybe not as much as before - at least it wasnt that obvious and behind locked doors, but then I havent been there before so can not judge. Unfortunately a bit under fire right now, but will post some more on my first visit to famous CP later.

Take care,

B.

Ace Gallant

08-13-07, 18:25

I think most all the locals know what the laowai like to do when they come to CP, so it doesn't really surprise them. I always tell my regulars to tone it down on the clothes and makeup when they come to visit me. I do not like to do lineups at my apartment, and have already told my wingman, only regulars allowed or go find a girl at a shop and bring her back.

You see the rich HK guys here with their KTV 2nd wives and in the morning, you will see the xiaojies marching out the gate. This is CP and sex is everywhere. Even on both sides of my complex is 3 "relaxation" massage joints, where the girls sit in the lobby in those spandex mini dresses and I was actually offered a girl at the train station tonight, which is the first time I have ever been approached about this at that location.

Mobile BBS's makes good business sense, this should have happened long ago. I see more things going on here now as a resident, then I did as a common traveler passing through.

Actually, now that you mention it, there is no transportation costs at all so, you are actually saving 45 rmb!! Now, if they only had a frequent buyers card or coupons, I would really be popping more.

Has anyone ever tried the Sun Kong Hotel Massage? If so, what were the services provided?

-SZE

This is something that you do not know:

I had often heard from the local chinese that they welcome the Hongkongers to CP because the Hongkongers are one of the main reason why CP is alive. They are one of the main revenue source of CP. As Dan Hawaii had mentioned in one of his post that some years back CP also went down under because they cleanup the place. But although they welcome the Hongkongers, the locals some how do not like the fact that White guys are also sharing their girls. I do not understand the main reasons behind this but I call it racism! I had overheard some local cursing at White guys while I was taking a walk down the shopping street in CP. They were perticularly saying "Not a single Americans are good people". Besides this; although the mummies at Yalan like our business, I had been asked a couple of times why do I hang around with White guys, although they knew that I am a ABC, and I had often replied that Whiteguys are all my friends, they had often told me not to hang around with White foreigners. In this case, it is our money that they like and not the country we are from.

So having said that; I would like to say; China; in a way is open but the locals are still not very culturally open to the ideals of sharing their country with foreigners. Hong Kong and Taiwan, to them, still belongs to China. So, it is better that we keep ourselves safe and not let them have any chance for them to pull a fast one on us. Let's not annouce to the whole world that you are using your house as a Shagpad or else sooner or later some jealous local might go to the police and try to cause trouble. Get what I meant?

Play hard, Play Safe!
Enjoy!
AG

Old Mean Dog

08-13-07, 18:39

This is something that you do not know:

I had often heard from the local chinese that they welcome the Hongkongers to CP because the Hongkongers are one of the main reason why CP is alive. They are one of the main revenue source of CP. As Dan Hawaii had mentioned in one of his post that some years back CP also went down under because they cleanup the place. But although they welcome the Hongkongers, the locals some how do not like the fact that White guys are also sharing their girls. I do not understand the main reasons behind this but I call it racism! I had overheard some local cursing at White guys while I was taking a walk down the shopping street in CP. They were perticularly saying "Not a single Americans are good people". Besides this; although the mummies at Yalan like our business, I had been asked a couple of times why do I hang around with White guys, although they knew that I am a ABC, and I had often replied that Whiteguys are all my friends, they had often told me not to hang around with White foreigners. In this case, it is our money that they like and not the country we are from.

So having said that; I would like to say; China; in a way is open but the locals are still not very culturally open to the ideals of sharing their country with foreigners. Hong Kong and Taiwan, to them, still belongs to China. So, it is better that we keep ourselves safe and not let them have any chance for them to pull a fast one on us. Let's not annouce to the whole world that you are using your house as a Shagpad or else sooner or later some jealous local might go to the police and try to cause trouble. Get what I meant?

Play hard, Play Safe!
Enjoy!
AG

Yeah, what I meant to say was I am considering becoming a part time English tutor and I was interviewing 7 perspective students in my home. Now, what warning can you tell the laowai who parade through the Miraton with a ***** under each arm?

I know the dangers and the laws requiring foreigners not to take part in prostution, gambling or any other illegal activities. I also know about racism here towards myself and others I have been with.

Anyway, I appreciate your concern and I still owe you a dinner.

-SZE

Dan Hawaii

08-13-07, 20:43

MPV's (Mobile Pussy Vans)
SZE
I like that one.

Should we take an ISG vote, since they are going to replace most of the BBS's? :)

Pie Wagon
MPV (Multi Pussy Vehicle)
MPV (Mobile Pussy Vans)
MPV (Mobile Pie Vans)
MPV (Mobile Putang Vans)
Meow Mobile

any other suggestions?

One Wing Low

08-13-07, 22:35

Softy

08-13-07, 23:39

Not only Americans but the majority of white European tourists to China complained that they were subjected to suspicion, open hostility and obvious discrimination.

Hmmm...

I must say that I have been travelling to China for many years (about 20 - although not mongering the whole time - it was more difficult 15 years ago in China unless your local partner treated) and simply have not had the feeling of being discriminated against very often(price discrimination, though lessening, is an exception).

Things have changed much over that time, however, and recounting the changes in both travellers and the behavior of the people to foreigners would require a book. In terms of discrimination, ethno-centrism, or whatever you wish to call it, there have been both positive and negative changes over time.

I will make the observation, however, that the few times I have noticed either hostility or a hint of open disdain have overwhelmingly been in Guangdong province. While this is my own anecdotal evidence, I have developed more theories about this than worth repeating - as most of them are probably wrong. I would be interested, however, in hearing others thoughts on their experience in GD vs. other regions. (Edit for clarification: I have only spent about 8-12 days per year in GD the past 7 years or so, with most of my time spent in Zhejiang, Hubei, Fujian and Jiangsu provinces)

That is not to say, however, that I am not aware of the traditional Chinese concept of the Middle Kingdom and the quietly held beliefs associated with it. As an American, I am also quite aware of the beliefs of manifest destiny of many of my countrymen as well. Having lived in France a couple of years as well, I long ago concluded that ethnic and cultural centric attitudes are the norm, so I am not bothered in the least by minor slips of normal ettiquete displayed by locals in China.

I would say, however, that a dash of humility, a sprinkle of respect, a slip of charm and an at least moderate understanding of local customs and/or language helps to mitigate any open hostility that you may encounter.

Old Mean Dog

08-14-07, 04:12

not only americans but the majority of white european tourists to china complained that they were subjected to suspicion, open hostility and obvious discrimination.

the chinese probably teach their children about decades of humiliation, exploitation and corruption under the rule of england and the extreme horrors commited by the japanese imperial forces.

now they see a bunch of big white guys with a little money and bad attitudes, trying to buy the smallest girls with the least amount of money. you should see the fear in the eyes of these little girls as they are taken away by guys twice their height and triple their weight. that's why they are edgy and pissed off.

i suggest that we treat these chinese girls with more gentleness, understanding, forgiveness and generosity. until the johns help the girls get rid of their suspicion, fear and hatred, it's not sex, it's [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123).

i do not agree with this post and offer the following comments:

this is modern china, not ancient china!

the chinese, for the most part, do not teach their children to hate. yes, there is some strong dislike towards the japanese from wwii, but even though they make some public protests and say they do not like them, they still shop at jusco, eat at japanese restaurants, buy japanese cars and purchase japanese electronics.

the racism i have seen while living in china is due to their misconception that all foreigners are rich and live a life that only the common chinese people dream of so, it is actually jealousy. some do not like us because of rumors spread, like all americans have aids, which i bet, was started by a jealous chinese man and was told to the uneducated gals. i am 90% of the time, treated with warm and friendly attitudes, with a little bit of curiosity mixed in and have not felt any real fear.

look, i have interviewed many girls, i always ask them why they want a laowai and their answers are almost always the same; chinese men are rude, they are not romantic, most are too poor to give her a decent life and the rich ones are all playboys, etc.

i have spoken to many "working girls" and they say, though the white guy is bigger (both in body size and penis length) they find us to be more gentle and romantic. many girls have told me how some chinese guys, bite them leaving marks, slap them around and basically treat them like shit and/or personal property.

how many guys, laowai or local, choose a girl that will not even make eye contact with them? i would guess slim to none, so what is this great fear you mention? i have popped many girls, solely based only on curiosity of a foreigner and what they perceive us to be from other girls, tv and movies.

i think the vast majority of dislike comes from the poor, uneducated chinese men. who from what i have observed are to poor and to shy to even approach a girl. hell, i have even been told that some chinese men rent a girlfriend to take home to his parents because he can't get one on his own.

yes, racism does exist in my little world here, but to be honest, it is mainly directed to the middle eastern and black races. i am sure there are some people that hate me based solely on my color and/or nationality just as there are idiots in america that hate chinese and asians in general.

language is a big barrier, some chinese girls don't date a laowai because they just cannot communicate with them and find it easier to be with a chinese man or, she is a traditional girl and her parents control her and tell her not to date outside her race. most, modern, educated gals do not follow this course.

your comments about foreigners with a little money and a bad attitude trying to buy the smallest girls with the least amount of money is total bullshit. you should rephrase your comments so they don't sound so "racist".

you should also include the part about how these girls are really smart and when they see some old, ugly, rich asian man come walking in the door, they are with him because he can't get a girl on his own good merits and personality so, he resorts to buying their affection and pussy with lots of money, which after all, is how they earn a living.

my pov and enough is anyone getting laid?

-sze

p.s. my views are only from the areas of s. china i frequent, so this is only, once again, my pov.

Softy

08-14-07, 05:43

I do not agree with this post and offer the following comments:

This is modern China, not Ancient China!

The Chinese, for the most part, do not teach their children to hate. Yes, there is some strong dislike towards the Japanese from WWII, but even though they make some public protests and say they do not like them, they still shop at JUSCO, eat at Japanese restaurants, buy Japanese cars and purchase Japanese electronics.

The racism I have seen while living in China is due to their misconception that all foreigners are rich and live a life that only the common Chinese people dream of so, it is actually jealousy. Some do not like us because of rumors spread, like all Americans have AIDS, which I bet, was started by a jealous Chinese man and was told to the uneducated gals. I am 90% of the time, treated with warm and friendly attitudes, with a little bit of curiosity mixed in and have not felt any real fear.

Look, I have interviewed many girls, I always ask them why they want a laowai and their answers are almost always the same; Chinese men are rude, they are not romantic, most are too poor to give her a decent life and the rich ones are all Playboys, etc.

I have spoken to many "working girls" and they say, though the white guy is bigger (both in body size and penis length) they find us to be more gentle and romantic. Many girls have told me how some Chinese guys, bite them leaving marks, slap them around and basically treat them like shit and/or personal property.

How many guys, laowai or local, choose a girl that will not even make eye contact with them? I would guess slim to none, so what is this great fear you mention? I have popped many girls, solely based only on curiosity of a foreigner and what they perceive us to be from other girls, tv and movies.

I think the vast majority of dislike comes from the poor, uneducated Chinese men. Who from what I have observed are to poor and to shy to even approach a girl. Hell, I have even been told that some Chinese men rent a girlfriend to take home to his parents because he can't get one on his own.

Yes, racism does exist in my little world here, but to be honest, it is mainly directed to the Middle Eastern and black races. I am sure there are some people that hate me based solely on my color and/or nationality just as there are idiots in America that hate Chinese and Asians in general.

Language is a big barrier, some Chinese girls don't date a laowai because they just cannot communicate with them and find it easier to be with a Chinese man or, she is a traditional girl and her parents control her and tell her not to date outside her race. Most, modern, educated gals do not follow this course.

Your comments about foreigners with a little money and a bad attitude trying to buy the smallest girls with the least amount of money is total bullshit. You should rephrase your comments so they don't sound so "racist".

You should also include the part about how these girls are really smart and when they see some old, ugly, rich Asian man come walking in the door, they are with him because he can't get a girl on his own good merits and personality so, he resorts to buying their affection and pussy with lots of money, which after all, is how they earn a living.

My PoV and enough is anyone getting laid?

-SZE

P.S. My views are only from the areas of S. China I frequent, so this is only, once again, MY PoV.

I like the way you said it better than my more cautious version...cheers!

FWIW, I have been treated with graciousness in 99.999% of my encounters in China, which is greater percentage than I believe most westerners are accustomed to in their own country.

Ace Gallant

08-14-07, 05:49

i offer my pov on the following:

i do not agree with this post and offer the following comments:

this is modern china, not ancient china!

the chinese, for the most part, do not teach their children to hate. yes, there is some strong dislike towards the japanese from wwii, but even though they make some public protests and say they do not like them, they still shop at jusco, eat at japanese restaurants, buy japanese cars and purchase japanese electronics.

this is very true, i agree 100% and had seen with my very own eyes.

the racism i have seen while living in china is due to their misconception that all foreigners are rich and live a life that only the common chinese people dream of so, it is actually jealousy. some do not like us because of rumors spread, like all americans have aids, which i bet, was started by a jealous chinese man and was told to the uneducated gals. i am 90% of the time, treated with warm and friendly attitudes, with a little bit of curiosity mixed in and have not felt any real fear.

look, i have interviewed many girls, i always ask them why they want a laowai and their answers are almost always the same; chinese men are rude, they are not romantic, most are too poor to give her a decent life and the rich ones are all playboys, etc.

i have spoken to many "working girls" and they say, though the white guy is bigger (both in body size and penis length) they find us to be more gentle and romantic. many girls have told me how some chinese guys, bite them leaving marks, slap them around and basically treat them like shit and/or personal property.

good point here, however, racism from the local men are much higher than those that existed in the local girls. you will have to talk to the local men in order to get a clearer view of what they think of us. what you had stated is one of the very main reasons why the local male hates us. because we are gentler, romantic and perceived to be rich, the local men hate us and think that we are "stealing" their girls. they felt that on a fair fight between us and them (the local men) they will lose out to us. this is a problem with chinese men, they do not stop to analyze why the girls prefer us than them, but prefer to assume that we bad guys who comes to cheat or steal their girls from them. they never examine or look at own self.

how many guys, laowai or local, choose a girl that will not even make eye contact with them? i would guess slim to none, so what is this great fear you mention? i have popped many girls, solely based only on curiosity of a foreigner and what they perceive us to be from other girls, tv and movies.

i think the vast majority of dislike comes from the poor, uneducated chinese men. who from what i have observed are to poor and to shy to even approach a girl. hell, i have even been told that some chinese men rent a girlfriend to take home to his parents because he can't get one on his own.

language is a big barrier, some chinese girls don't date a laowai because they just cannot communicate with them and find it easier to be with a chinese man or, she is a traditional girl and her parents control her and tell her not to date outside her race. most, modern, educated gals do not follow this course.

uhh…. actually on these point … not agree fully, i have had many instances these happened when i walked into a bbs with my white friends and the girls chooses not to look at my friends. the common excuse is that they are “big”. but i think the main reasons behind is that they fear for been unable to communicate. once you are able to break the communication barrier, i don’t think they will resist you. ask yourself this question; in which instant when you walked into a bbs, those new girls be afraid of you? but the moment you open your mouth and start speaking some chinese, they will be giggling at you.

of course than there are the other factor of size which i will elaborate below.

yes, racism does exist in my little world here, but to be honest, it is mainly directed to the middle eastern and black races. i am sure there are some people that hate me based solely on my color and/or nationality just as there are idiots in america that hate chinese and asians in general.

your comments about foreigners with a little money and a bad attitude trying to buy the smallest girls with the least amount of money is total bullshit. you should rephrase your comments so they don't sound so "racist".

owl,

i don’t really agree on what you said about [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) and that we are not gentle. if compared to our local counterparts we are way much better than them. your comments about” foreigners with a little money and a bad attitude trying to buy the smallest girls with the least amount of money” …. i think it only applies to wankers, not us.

but on the part of size; i think it is animal instinct to fear anyone or anything that is twice or three times your size! unless of course if you are properly trained to handle it. especially those girls that are fresh from the village; who had never in their life seen a white or black guy two or three times their size and they will are about to be fucked by them? how would you think you will react if you are them?

you should also include the part about how these girls are really smart and when they see some old, ugly, rich asian man come walking in the door, they are with him because he can't get a girl on his own good merits and personality so, he resorts to buying their affection and pussy with lots of money, which after all, is how they earn a living.

these men are also under the wanker category. they do not rtff and thinks they knows better :d

enjoy!
ag

Cloud Palms

08-14-07, 06:27

All,

I dont post much since I can only go to China a few weeks out of the year but I must say for once you white guys know what it feels like to be truly discriminated against. It all fair game guys deal with it, everyone else has in the world as well. I grew up ABC in the States and believe me it wasnt easy either.

I'll say this, theres knucleheads of every race, Chinese or White. Plus not all Chinese guys treat their women bad and not all white guys are super romantic and gentle. Its the fact that the USD is still 7.5x worth the RMB, thats why laowai have received positive treatment. OWL, you think you are there to "save the day" and rescue them from the evil chinese men?? Give me a break! Its only and always about the money.

But maybe instead of hating on Chinese guys so much, which is the tone ive been feeling of this forum for a while and probably another reason why they dont like you in the first place, show them some respect and humbleness and theyll treat you with the same respect. Youre on their turf act like a proper guest and stop acting like they should treat you like the spoiled laowai they already think you are. Gee I mean if it werent for Chinese men there would be no Chinese women right? Youre a foreigner in their land just like I'm a foreigner in the States. Sad but true.

With all that said I hope you all stay safe in China and id like to still hang out with most of you one day.

Weelock

08-14-07, 07:10

Hi guys,

I'll be going over to HK for my friends wedding in September. I'm starting to plan a stag party for him and would like to ask memebers if they have any suggestions. This might be the last time he gets to come out to play so I'd like to make it memorable. Anyway, I need to find the best girls for him and after reading the reports up to six months back I've not really come to any conclusion. I think it will be KTV but there are so many places to choose. Can anyone confirm which KTVs will have the Taiwanese style getting naked in the room together? That's sounds like a lot of fun. Might go over to Houjie as members seem to reccommend it. I won't be paying this by myself so cost won't be a problem as long as it is going to be great fun. Any suggestions welcome.

Thank you.

"One Wing Low", damn, some of the things you write I DO NOT agree what soever but I remember someone said the board was getting dull without you. We need someone to rag on :D :D

"Jack The Lad",

It has been over a week and nobody has really replied back with a good post. I did a quick search and found some information on NAKED KTV. It''s going to be expensive but you have no problem, great. I only found two people in China that maybe can help you. I did not read everything in detail so there might be others. First is "One Wing Low" and the other is "RCA Knight". Both have been to a NAKED KTV. "One Wing Low" has been one at Shenzhen.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=617780&highlight=Naked+KTV#post617780

If OWL doesn't reply, since "Dan Hawaii", has Jasmine's number, you might want to PM Dan. Jasmine works at a naked KTV according to "One Wing Low".

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=480089&postcount=899

"RCA Knight" might have some additional info on Naked KTV but it's in Chengdu and Chonqqing. Suggest PM him also.

If you do go to a NAKED KTV, please post pictures and a report.

Santa

08-14-07, 08:06

I sometimes enjoy reading chit-chat, opinions, and worthless crap, but it should not be in the Dongguan thread. Again!

Old Mean Dog

08-15-07, 03:23

I sometimes enjoy reading chit-chat, opinions, and worthless crap, but it should not be in the Dongguan thread. Again!

That's because most everyone on this board is sitting at home having pussy withdrawal and lack of pussy makes a man hostile and bitchy.

Met up with OAH, Laowai123, Prince Leo and a couple of other mongers last night, had a great time! Footie at the Walter, Yalan, Baby's and Swan KTV before dinner at the now famous ISG Hunan Restaurant. After dinner it was a tour of the Hui Mei (Dan, they are still open), the hotel behind the Hui Mei, checked one MPV and did a mobile tour of the Night Market....LOTS of girls there.

I spotted a girl I had about 6 months ago, so snatched her up as she is a real pro.

Name: Xing Xing
Home: Jiangxi
Age: 21
Looks: 7.5, tall (5'8") and skinny, some body art in the form of ink and a belly button ring
Skills: 9, a real superstar, does it all and no spitting
Extras: Fantastic personality
Damage: 150 rmb ST

Overall, quite a fun night considering it was pissing down rain. Driver said he knows another area in town for BBS, will check this weekend. Also, if anyone is looking for a p/t translator, I know a young Chinese guy, 22, that I am trying to make into a monger and he knows every BBS/KTV's in CP that we frequent and his English is excellent.

-SZE

Charged Red

08-15-07, 05:35

Was at jy the other night and saw a bunch of cuties being rushed into one of the rooms. As one of the rejects was leaving, I asked her what the big deal was.

Turns out some hkers were into strippers, demanded 10 total(or no go) + guarentee overnite. 5(including the standard2) for the show, extras at str.

She was leaving because top was ok, but she wouldnt do bottom. Was told that this was standard rate for performances and also available at NW in town.

Not sure what to think of the pricing, but the girls they were streaming in were cream of the crop and at least you know they are up for a bit of excitment.

JY rates are being up with some at 369 a la prince, not a good sign of things to come.

Shazzam

08-15-07, 08:34

I visited the special massage floor of the Grand Howard in Qingqi town, I think level 5, and stayed with a very cute, early 20's girl for 2 hours. Damage was 300rmb for the room and 600rmb for the girl. Friendly mamasan gets the intro's for you, so keep asking for more if nothing takes your eye. Fire and Ice is standard. Unfortunately I can't remember her name or number, but both times I've been here, I've had a great time.

OldAsiaHand

08-16-07, 03:25

After nearly a month absence, I was in CP as Sxexpat posted. A couple of my observations:

Walter foot massage: This was my first time there and I had a great experience. My girl was very frisky and made sure she massaged the right places. I ended up making an appointment with her to come to the Miraton after work. More on that later. I understand they have private rooms where action is available. Quoted tipping is 30 RMB for HJ, 50 for BBBJ, and 100 for full service. You may need to book 2 hours (80 RMB) in order to use the VIP room. Not a bad deal for mongers that do not have a hotel room or cannot bring them back home for some reason.

Yalan: We did the standard market visit. I thought the quality has declined somewhat, but it may have just been by chance or bad timing. I've been looking at this girl with glasses in one of the shops for about a year so I went back and grabbed her this time. Service was just average. Funny thing was, she used 2 shower caps; one on her hair, one covered her face. Took something away from the shower action.

Mobile ????: When you guys decide what to call this, let me know. We saw a van with 3 girls. All 3 were extremely doable. Quality a level above what you find in normal BBS.

Hui Mei: Nothing to write home about in the hotel and only 2 girls in one shop down the alley. I reckon this area is nearly over.

Night Market: This area is thriving. Excellent quality for only 150 ST. There were too many to count that I would have done. Prince Leo took a duo and Szexpat fell in love again. Fantastic alternative for late night action.

Foot massage girl: She showed up after work and started giving me a massage. Non-stop yapping about her situation. Just arrived 15 days ago and started at the Walter. She explained the deal there and told me she needed to pay 400 RMB deposit/uniform fee or something. Lives with another girl in a small place and pays 300 RMB rent. Asks me if I want to put her up in an apartment. Blah, blah, blah. To cut a long story short, besides giving a good massage, the service was terrible. Reluctantly gave me 1 minute BBBJ with too much teeth. She gave me the boyfriend bullshit about reserving this service only for boyfriends. Complained about pain, the moment I stuck it in. After the deed, I gave her 165 RMB; 50 for the massage, 100 for the FS and 15 for taxi. She wanted 400 saying she told me about the deposit she had to pay. I could not see the relationship between her deposit and me. I gave her another 50 just to shut her up. Sorry about that guys. A let down after the nice time I had with her at the Walter.

OAH

Mongerxx

08-16-07, 04:44

Hi I am an infrequent poster here but have met some of you in person. Anyway, I will be back in Changping arriving late on Aug 24th and leaving the 29th. Hopefully I will see some old freinds and make some new one's. I am also eager to check this night market scene out, as I have past relied upon the places behind the Hui Mei as my late night insurance policy.

At the night market is there standard conversion to LT option of 400 to 500 RMB?

Ace Gallant

08-16-07, 07:18

At the night market is there standard conversion to LT option of 400 to 500 RMB?

Not too sure what you meant by conversion to LT option???

But the standard rates at the night market had been and still is

150 ST
400 LT

Enjoy!
AG

BTW: My forthnightly trip to CP is this weekend ....Geeez... wasn't I was here just last Tuesday? Looks like I am becoming a resident of CP now.... Anyone wants to hang, PM me.

Playboy2000

08-16-07, 14:31

Playboy2000

08-16-07, 14:34

Ace Gallant

08-16-07, 14:40

Weelock

08-16-07, 21:55

I'll be in CP Aug 19-22. Looking forward to meeting many of you senior members.

One question. A month or so ago there was a discussion about using credit cards in CP. It was generally discouraged, since some establishments may over charge, double charge, etc. But how about the Mirathon Hotel? Can one pay one's hotel bill will having an unpleasent surprise in the future?

Thanks, RTYou just have to be a little more careful about the credit card bills. You are required to have a deposit before checking-in and I usually have my deposits on my credit card. There is a different procedure from charging on a bill and for a deposit on credit cards.

Well, a guy charged my credit card instead of checking for funds or for a hold on funds. I did not find out until a few days later checking out when another guy just happened to look at my credit card receipt. He had to reverse the charges. If he didn’t, I was going to be changed twice.They said the guy was new.

Another time, I wanted to change the bill on my credit card. For some reason their connection on the credit card machine was off-line. I waited for about 1/2 hour and I finally had to run to exchange for some more RMB. This was at Hua Yu Hotel in Chang Ping.

Nevertheless, most large hotels there should not be an issue and credit card problems can happen anywhere in the world. On the other hand, if a problem does occur, you can fight the charges a little easier if it was local.

Then for credit cards from other countries you might have a problem using it in places like KTV, stores and restaurants. Most places do NOT accept foreign credit cards. The exceptions are for hotels. Taiwan, Macau and Hong Kong might be an exception for foreign credit cards.

Bull Dozer

08-16-07, 21:59

Like everyone else, landed at Guangzhou airport at 10:00PM after a long flight from San Francisco. It was very late so had to get a Taxi to go to Houjie, the taxi guys are crooks at night time, they will make a deal with you & then try & make some money in between by hawking you to another taxi. Any way I had to switch taxi's, but it turned out to be great, it was scary, because this taxi guy had his friend riding in the front seat & his Girl friend also jumped in the rear seat at the last minute. His Gf was cute around 30ish, nice face. We both were sitting on the back seat far apart when we left but in about 30 minutes I had my fingers in her wet pussy.We got closer in about 10 minutes of our ride, I started to feel her thighs because she was wearing shorts, I covered ourselves by laying my jacket across her legs, she seemed to be willing to play so I squeezed her titties & then finally slipped my hand into her shorts. She started to play with my winnie, This was my best Taxi ride, free of charge I had a great time for about 20 minutes till we got to Houjie. I hope I run into this taxi guy again. In reality I was scared also, just in case the drivers friend looked in the back , but it all went well. This sounds like a fairy tale but it is true.

OldAsiaHand

08-17-07, 03:50

Never a problem at the Miraton. I only sign the deposit credit card slip on the back so hotels may not be able to run it through. It seems to keep the hotel happy and may limit my risk somewhat.

I'll be in CP Aug 19-22. Looking forward to meeting many of you senior members.

One question. A month or so ago there was a discussion about using credit cards in CP. It was generally discouraged, since some establishments may over charge, double charge, etc. But how about the Mirathon Hotel? Can one pay one's hotel bill will having an unpleasent surprise in the future?

Thanks, RT

Harmsuploe

08-17-07, 04:23

That's really something. Wow. Ballsy. Big props to you. Haha, glad you made it out okay. What a great prelude of things to come.

Like everyone else, landed at Guangzhou airport at 10:00PM after a long flight from San Francisco. It was very late so had to get a Taxi to go to Houjie, the taxi guys are crooks at night time, they will make a deal with you & then try & make some money in between by hawking you to another taxi. Any way I had to switch taxi's, but it turned out to be great, it was scary, because this taxi guy had his friend riding in the front seat & his Girl friend also jumped in the rear seat at the last minute. His Gf was cute around 30ish, nice face. We both were sitting on the back seat far apart when we left but in about 30 minutes I had my fingers in her wet pussy.We got closer in about 10 minutes of our ride, I started to feel her thighs because she was wearing shorts, I covered ourselves by laying my jacket across her legs, she seemed to be willing to play so I squeezed her titties & then finally slipped my hand into her shorts. She started to play with my winnie, This was my best Taxi ride, free of charge I had a great time for about 20 minutes till we got to Houjie. I hope I run into this taxi guy again. In reality I was scared also, just in case the drivers friend looked in the back , but it all went well. This sounds like a fairy tale but it is true.

Weelock

08-17-07, 04:38

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His Gf was cute around 30ish, nice face. We both were sitting on the back seat far apart when we left but in about 30 minutes I had my fingers in her wet pussy.We got closer in about 10 minutes of our ride, I started to feel her thighs because she was wearing shorts, I covered ourselves by laying my jacket across her legs, she seemed to be willing to play so I squeezed her titties & then finally slipped my hand into her shorts. She started to play with my winnie.
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It was very brave of you. I believe if her boyfriend found out, you’re a dead man. It would have been him and his friend against you. You are lucky it was at night, and nothing happen.

I'm assuming you made the frist move by starting to feel on her. Why did you have a jacket? Isn't it damn hot there now?

WOW, making out in the back seat. :D

Old Mean Dog

08-17-07, 07:08

Santa

08-17-07, 09:32

Got laid, girl from Yalan area, cut out the Mommy by calling girl directly. Service was excellent, kept her overnight, 400 LT.

End of Report.

-SZE

P.S. If anyone wants exact location or additional information, PM me.

My thinking is...

ST= 100 to mommy and 100 to girl.
LT= 100 to mommy and 400 to girl. But I think the girl must give 100 more to mommy in the morning because she did not return last night.

Am I correct?

So, if SZexpat "privately" negotiated an all nighter for 400, then he saved 100 and the girl gained 100. They split the mommy's 200 cut. Is that correct?

Old Mean Dog

08-17-07, 10:18

My thinking is...

ST= 100 to mommy and 100 to girl.
LT= 100 to mommy and 400 to girl. But I think the girl must give 100 more to mommy in the morning because she did not return last night.

Am I correct?

So, if SZexpat "privately" negotiated an all nighter for 400, then he saved 100 and the girl gained 100. They split the mommy's 200 cut. Is that correct?

Not exactly, if taking a girl from a mommy overnight in the Yalan area, the price is 500, 150 of this is going to the mommy (this comes straight from my regular).

Secondly, a girl can "go home" early if it is a slow night and or "call in sick" if need be. So actually, I saved myself 100 rmb and the girl gained an extra 50.

-SZE

Ace Gallant

08-17-07, 10:36

Not exactly, if taking a girl from a mommy overnight in the Yalan area, the price is 500, 150 of this is going to the mommy (this comes straight from my regular).

Secondly, a girl can "go home" early if it is a slow night and or "call in sick" if need be. So actually, I saved myself 100 rmb and the girl gained an extra 50.

-SZE

Nope this is my understanding from the girls and the mummies:

Yalan area,

ST 100 each to girl and mummy
LT 100 to mummy upfront and 400 to the girls and if the girl want to be in mummy ood books, they will give the mummy extra 50 upon return the next day. Also even if you call the girl directly for LT, the girl will give the mummy 50 the next day. To you, you do save 100 but to the girls there is no difference.

The exception is when the girl does not have a good relationship with the mummy, then she will keep all the 400 to herself.

For the above reason; this is why you notice that the mummies have some girls that are her favorites and she will push them out to any customers that come along. Girls complain about some mummies been bias too! I guess working in an Office there are Office Politics and working in BBS?? BBS Politics??? :D

Enjoy!
AG

Ace Gallant

08-17-07, 11:59

A New route (Immigration Check point) that had opened up beginning of August between Hong Kong and Shenzhen border. This is west of Shenzhen near where the Shekou Ferry terminal is. (I am told about Shekou Ferry Terminal but I had never been there). It is called the Shenzhen Bay Immigration Check point.

Today I took the Skylimo MPV (Not Multi Pussies Vehicle but the Multi Purpose Vehicle) from HKIA and they took this route. We reach the new immigration at 13:30 (Normal rush hour) and there was totally No Traffic We do not have to get off the MPV crossing both border. The MPV (dual licensed) took us all the way across to the China side and we were than transfered to cars or another MPV heading North to the different cities. I was fortunatel that I am the only guy going to CP and thus had the whole MPV to myself and the Driver. The whole journey took 3 hours. The only setback was that although there were no traffic and crossing the border is a swift... this checkpoint is very far west of Shenzhen. To get into CP we still have ot back track 30 mins to Meilin Checkpoint before we hit the Guanshen highway heading North. The cost of of the whole journey was 220RMB (HKIA to CP). No difference from before when Skylimo uses the Huanggang Immigration. I still thinks the best part is that we do not have to get off the car and queue at both borders!

For you newbies who are coming in from HKIA, looks like another good alternative to get into CP.

Enjoy!
AG

Ace Gallant

08-17-07, 12:13

Following the quiries from some member on the subject of "How to get to CP if I am coming into HKIA on a late flight"; I had check out the options available from HKIA today.

Skylimo: Last MPV service leaves 12 midnight for Huangang. 150RMB. Once arriving Huanggang transfer to E&E (120RMB) or any other bus service which operates 24 hours. Fares to CP varies from 80RMB to 160RMB

CTS Bus: Last bus to Huanggang leave 12 midnight. 90RMB. Once arriving Huanggang transfer to E&E (120RMB) or any other bus service which operates 24 hours. Fares to CP varies from 80RMB to 160RMB

After 12am:

1) Private Taxi to take you to Huanggang - 24 hours - Fares = Metered
2) Private Mini-bus to Huanggang - 2 hourly after 12am. - Fare - NFI

Enjoy!
AG

NFI: No Fucking Ideal!

Babaluba

08-17-07, 18:01

Hi,

Just a brief report about my first trip to famous CP. I had been quite some time to some saunas in Houji, such as Sheraton or Cinese Hotel. I am was mostly quite happy there but thought have to give CP a shot.

I booked the Hui Hau Hotel over the net but somehow never got confirmed. Though I just go nevertheless and see whats available. So I drove there Saturday afternoon and found it without problems. Actually to get there is quite easy by car as had been described already, because most street signs from Guangshen highway until town center CP are marked in English. Still I used my GPS with mapking maps which became quite handy actually since the way out isnt written in English anymore unless you reach the highway entrance :)

Anyway when I left the highway I though, damn what a dump that is, they change the pavement (if there was any before) and its even by Chinese standards quite dusty and dirty. Fortunately once in the center it got better and I was quite reliefed as I couldnt imagine stumbling around by night in that area.

Hui Hua has a nice undergroud parking facility for free which was very convenient. Walked 20 meters and up the elevator. Of course the booking had not arrived so I settled down on an executive room 30st floor which was not so much more expensive as walk-in rate: 490 I believe. The room was really nice and worth the money, with in room safe and everything one needs, beside the girls of course which had still to be found. According to the reports and directions that should not be the big problem as it turned out (by the way thanks a lot to all for sharing all information, I felt like knowing the place before having been there).

So around 6 pm I ventured to the BBS behind Hui Mei and was instantly grabbed by few Mommies to explore their goods. Checked 2-3 shops and found a cute lady I liked, 8 by face and 7 by body, Nini I believe (but I am not a strong believer and therefore probabely got the name wrong). The Mommy did not speak English so I can not say which shop it was, the name card she gave me was Chinese too. I made clear at the begin I pay 150 and there was no fuzz or discussion. Thanks again to the board :) Anyway I told her to meet me in 15 minutes in my room, which she did right on time. Impressive service, since I remember once a lady let me wait for almost two hours at home until I called her and told her no need to come anymore - I cum with someone else...

When I left with the Mommy her gem must have arrived just back from a customer, Chen Chen is her name, really cute girl - solid 8 by face and body. I briefly thought about a double or exchanging girls, but wasnt really in the mood for the first and didnt wanna upset the other waiting to meet me later for the second. So sticked to the first. Hmm maybe I am getting too polite...:)

When my pick came and she undressed I was shocked she had quite some abrasions on her shoulder, which seemed to be 2-3 days old. She gestured she had been beaten up, but I suppose a moto accident sounds more likely. Anyway, I am supporting motorbike victims and by the way wouldnt miss to taste her sweet boobs and face so thought what the hell, just skip one or two positions and it will be fine. I wasnt in the mood to send her off and look for another one as I was ready for action. So we went to the shower and on the bed. Gave great BBBJ and good FS. Cowgirl and doggy, so not prob with the damaged parts. Finally had a great release after 30 minutes and send her off her way to the further road of fortune. When she left she asked for 10 RMB which I found not alright since I felt little betrayed after seeing her in full. As I did not have small change anyway I declined and she grabed a pack of pistacios from the minibar asking if she can have that instead. I though ok doesnt matter. Its actually 15 RMB for me but take it and go. Was not mad at all, as I found it quite funny she wanted that. So we both laughed and off she was.

After having some rest I wanted to check the Miraton Sauna as its just beside and it was raining like hell. Went in and was lead to a room starting the lineup. The customer relationship lady there helping to pick and organising the line ups was really hot and I wanted to fuck her instead of the girls which came up. I gestured that, but as she did not speak English it was hopeless. Maybe should go back and ask for her again with a translator, believe I took her name card, hehe :)

After the 6th line up I was still not sure which one to take. Unfortunately that was not because all were so stunning. Actually most of the ladies were not really that attractive, maybe a 7 on my scale. I was not impressed being used the sheraton ladies, but guess it was just bad timing. I finally picked one as it became late (11:30 pm) and I was not in the mood for partying all nite. So we went to the shower chair and had a good wash. Gave me a nice BBBJ in that chair, but didnt finish it. So moved to bed with a steel hard one and started FS in all positions. Pretty good actually so had a good time. Left as a happy chap, although session time was still 15-20 minutes to go. But why hanging out there, wasnt enough time for a second round anyway. Back to the room, had a nap - left at 12 next day and drove back home.

After having only seen a tiny part of all the actions I think it was a good visit after all. As the BBS scene is not my big favorite, neither are KTV, maybe I will try some more saunas or even BBS in Yalan sometime again. CP is fun.

Happy hunting.

Babaluba

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Bull Dozer

08-17-07, 18:54

Just got off the plane & The car airconditioner was on so it felt cool in the car.

It was very brave of you. I believe if her boyfriend found out, you’re a dead man. It would have been him and his friend against you. You are lucky it was at night, and nothing happened.

I'm assuming you made the frist move by starting to feel on her. Why did you have a jacket? Isn't it damn hot there now?

WOW, making out in the back seat. :D

Moody

08-17-07, 20:41

After 12am:

1) Private Taxi to take you to Huanggang - 24 hours - Fares = Metered
2) Private Mini-bus to Huanggang - 2 hourly after 12am. - Fare - NFI

Enjoy!
AG

NFI: No Fucking Ideal!

Actually, the taxi or bus would take you to Lok Ma Chau. I was in HK yesterday and I believe a new train service to Lok Ma Chau opened on the KCR. I have no idea how late it runs. If it runs all night, that means you can get to Lok Ma Chau from basically any stop on the KCR. At Lok Ma Chau, you go through HK customs and immigration. From there, you take a 5 minute shuttle bus, I think the cost was 2 or 5 RMB but I don't remember at the moment, to Huanggang. At Huanggang you go through Chinese customs and immigration. Once there you can get to CP in a couple oF ways.

1. This is only recommended to those who speak some Mandarin. Get to the cab stand and tell the cab driver to take you to the entrance of the GuangShen Express. At the entrance to the GuangShen Express, there are almost always DG cabs waiting there to try and catch a fare back to DG. If you're lucky, you'll find one from the CP area and you can probably negotiate a fare of around 100RMB or less. If all the cabbie's are based out out of the west side, you're outta luck and you'll probably pay close to 200RMB.

2. Take a SZ cab to CP. Most SZ cabs have a fixed rate for various destinations in DG. It will probably cost over 300RMB to get to CP this way.

3. If you're brave and can speak some Mandarin, take a gypsy cab. There are dozens of those guys hanging around Huanggang. You can usually get to CP for 180-200RMB. Don't forget though, this will involve some walking since private cars are not allowed to park near the immigrations and customs building.

Jwtong

08-18-07, 04:41

[QUOTE=Ibaski]Thank you AG, BL and DH.

I took the EE bus from CP to HKIA when my flight was at 11. 30. Plenty of time and hassle free, other than getting out to go thru customs and immigration.

I have the EE schedule as I took it before. Leaving at 5. 48, it should arrive at HKIA around 8. 50. For 10. 25 Am flight it is just right unless something goes wrong somewhere with no margin for error.

Thanks for the info. I will also be taking a 11:45am flight back 3 weeks from now. Was kind of worry about the timing. Picking between a 5:45 or 6:45 schedule. So if I need to be "absolutely" safe, take the 5:45, if possible, upon your return, can you review what your actual time arrival to HKIA?

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Greetings Jwtong,

It appears that you inadvertently forgot to correctly place the quote tags in this report. Usually I can fix this sort of thing before it's displayed, but I don't have a clue as to how you intended this report to appear.

The quote tags are simple to use, all you have to do is look for them in the text. Anything that you want to appear in quotes must start with "[quote]" and end with "[/quote ]". Please note the "/" forward slash in the last tag. It's that simple.

In addition, you can preview your report before it's posted, so it's easy to check if you got it right before it's displayed in The Forum.

Thanks,

Jackson

OldAsiaHand

08-18-07, 04:45

Still I used my GPS with mapking maps which became quite handy actually since the way out isnt written in English anymore unless you reach the highway entrance :)

Babaluba,

Do you have a GPS that supports English and PinYin? I've been looking for one. Found some that let you enter your destination in PinYin, but the choices come back in Chinese characters. Does yours work totally in PinYin? I did see one that did have English speaking audio.

OAH

DRRonin

08-18-07, 10:18

Unless Typhoon Sepat beats me there, it looks like I will finally get to Chang Ping over the next day or two. I had attempted to do so earlier in the year only to run face first into Chinese New Year and a closed consulate that made getting my visa in time impossible. After reading all the many informative posts on this board I feel as prepared as an astronaut headed for deep space though perhaps in a more sober condition and with many more condoms at my side. Still I feel a bit like a schoolboy trying to prep for a mid-term and am getting things such as the Hui Hua Hotel and the Hui Mei Hotel mixed up – which has the BBS ‘s behind it I push my brain to answer and the Jia Mei Hotel and the Jia Yi Hotel – one has a huge KTV and the other doesn’t I recollect. And my friend that I am traveling with shoot questions at one another – short time Yalan – 200 RMB, long time KTV – 800 RMB, sauna – 250 room, 300 girl – and so on. Now we just have to find these places. But from what I have read that should not be difficult – they will find you more often than not.

A few questions still come to mind. We are getting in late in the evening – probably around 10 pm and though we have not bothered to reserve a room hope to find an empty one at the Miraton which seems the lodging of choice here with a few other names as back ups. Now neither of us has ever ventured into China nor speaks anything resembling Cantonese or Mandarin – so we have been debating that first night. Does it make sense to just make do with the goodies in the Miraton at either the sauna or the KTV or just stand outside and wait for a mamasan to tackle us?

We are both sadly on limited budgets and so plan to keep our social activities to two a day – probably a BBS in the day time and a KTV at night. But it would seem easier trying to understand the theory of relativity than the complete pricing structure of the KTV’s and I fear we look like we have “American sucker” stamped on our forehead. Plus neither of us is really thrilled with spending a few hours with girls who must be bored to death being with two older guys who can’t communicate with them – we just like getting down to business. So we hope to just do fast food take out and though this seems possible in most of the KTVs I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions at which ones this would be easiest. And it has been hinted at in a few posts that some KTV’s are open in the day for business but no names have been forthcoming for perhaps good reasons.

Anyway I am sure we will make out fine and are both excited to be almost there. We have parted gladly with our dollars from Rio to Bangkok and too many places in between but China seems like this gigantic new opportunity that we have been missing out on. Every time I try to slightly dampen his roaring enthusiasm a bit by saying that most of the reports rate the looks of these girls from 5-7, he just replies “but they are Chinese 5-7’s”. I hope that is enough for me as my only other experiences with Chinese girls was in the HK 141’s and in truth I think I would have preferred being in a KTV singing “My Way”. But they are Chinese girls he says again. I can’t argue with that.

Btw – what is the propensity of the girls to allow photos and videos? Or is that a chancy thing to do?

Thanks for any feedback and not that this board needs another report about someone finding his way around Chang Ping I will certainly do so if I have anything of interest to say. Maybe I can report on what people do in Chang Ping when they are not engaged in the chasing of or consuming of women in this fair city. That might be a very short report of course.

Ace Gallant

08-18-07, 11:10

Thanks for the info. I will also be taking a 11:45am flight back 3 weeks from now. Was kind of worry about the timing. Picking between a 5:45 or 6:45 schedule. So if I need to be "absolutely" safe, take the 5:45, if possible, upon your return, can you review what your actual time arrival to HKIA?

The latest schedule I took from E&E office yesterday stated that:

Pick Up at Miraton 05:48 ETA Huanggang : 07:15, ETA HKIA: 08:20
Pick Up at Miraton 06:42 ETA Huanggang : 08:15, ETA HKIA: 09:20

I would expect the ETA for the 06:42 a little later for weekdays because of the morning traffic in Shenzhen, Huanggang crossing and HongKong.

As I had mentioned in one of my previous post; I took the 05:48 bus on a Monday and arrived in HKIA 08:20 on the dot.

I had also asked Miraton hotel if they also have the service of Sinoway transport and they told me that they do not support this company anymore because they are known to be very messy in handling their customer at the Huanggang crossing and does did not get Miraton's hotel guest to the airport on time. I am not too sure how true this is because sometimes some companies do not give enough commission to their referals and thus ending up been screwed by the referral too! I will try to verify this with other hotel that carry this service.

Enjoy!
AG
BTW: I am not sure if they are talking about the same company named Sinoway because when I asked the business centre girls, none of them seems to had heard of it. They had to call a bunch of other departments before one of the manager came to tell me this transport with some funny chinese name that does not even sounds like Sinoway. He assured me that we are talking about the same company!

Babaluba

08-18-07, 14:19

Babaluba,

Do you have a GPS that supports English and PinYin? I've been looking for one. Found some that let you enter your destination in PinYin, but the choices come back in Chinese characters. Does yours work totally in PinYin? I did see one that did have English speaking audio.

OAHOAH,
Thats in deed a problem. No pinyin on mine either. I am using a PDA with WinMobile 5.0 and maps from Mapking (same address just add dot com). They have all maps in Chinese from the area, but also some English maps (which is mainly the pinyin except the destination names like Hotels or airport, so if you look under sheraton thats what you find). English maps are limited to major cities like Shanghai, Beijing. From PRD they have in English Shenzhen, Hongkong, Macau and a Pearl River Delta map (which shows major highways in PRD) - its good for travelling around. The route adviser speaks english even if you use a Chinese map or another language if you like.

Like yours it is not possible to search in pinyin in the chinese maps (only chinese characters), but I find by working around as follows I am having no problems.

It works fine for me even I do not read or write Chinese. For Chinese maps (like Dongguan, Zhuhai,Guangzhou) I copy the chinese characters from the laptop and transfer it into my pda with copy and paste. There i can copy it into the map program mostly with success. Or if I have the location in coordinates (e.g. thanks to ISG members all major sites in Dongguan in Google earth) I type in the coordinates and the map program shows the location where i can point the route to (even i can not read the characters)

What are you using at the moment?

Hope that helps,

Babaluba

Jim Traveller

08-18-07, 15:09

I had also asked Miraton hotel if they also have the service of Sinoway transport and they told me that they do not support this company anymore because they are known to be very messy in handling their customer at the Huanggang crossing and does did not get Miraton's hotel guest to the airport on time. I am not too sure how true this is because sometimes some companies do not give enough commission to their referals and thus ending up been screwed by the referral too! I will try to verify this with other hotel that carry this service.Sinoway:

They run a van service that operates out of Hui Hua (next door to Miraton). I have taken them in the past with no complaints. You do not have to get out of the van to clear customs. Only get out to switch cars after your clear the customs. You can get a schedule / buy tickets at the travel agent located in the hall of Hui Hua. Cost from what I recall is similar to that run by Eternal East (approx. RMB200 one way). From my experience these van companies are all reasonably good. My only bad experience was with an Eternal East driver on the China side that doesn't seem to know his way and keep on asking me for directions.

I get the impression that some of these van services subcontract out the China portion of the route to local independents. Therefore sometimes the quality suffers.

Titsmotits

08-18-07, 16:21

Following the quiries from some member on the subject of "How to get to CP if I am coming into HKIA on a late flight"; I had check out the options available from HKIA today.Hi bro AG,

Can you please provide travelling information for Macau to CP if arriving Macau airport at about 4PM.

Thanks so much.

OldAsiaHand

08-18-07, 16:40

Does it make sense to just make do with the goodies in the Miraton at either the sauna or the KTV or just stand outside and wait for a mamasan to tackle us?

we just like getting down to business. So we hope to just do fast food take out and though this seems possible in most of the KTVs I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions at which ones this would be easiest.

Btw – what is the propensity of the girls to allow photos and videos? Or is that a chancy thing to do?

Night Market is a good option if you get in late, however, the hotel sauna is the easiest to get started.

KTV is not for you if you do not enjoy the singing/drinking/flirting/courting thing. I also just like to get down to business which is why I am primarily a BBS guy.

Videos and photos are hit or miss depending on the girl and your approach. Most girls will let you take photos clothed. Nudes are harder to come by, but possible if you have a willing girl and she trusts you for some reason.

Happy Hunting!

OAH

Old Mean Dog

08-18-07, 17:43

Did a tour of Yalan area tonight with wingman and translator (we gave him the title of CB for Cherry Boy). Decided not take anything back home and got an hourly room at the Yalan Hotel instead.

2 Hours for 80 rmb, standard room and they changed linen and towels between wingman and I utilizing the room.

My Girl:

Name: Dan Dan
Age: N/A
Home: Hunan
Looks: 7 a very cute little thing
Skills: NONE, I was asked by my favorite mommy to play teacher again, maybe they should be paying me?
Overall: 6, too much work for 200 rmb, but she was the tightest thing I have ever had the pleasure of banging. Brand new girl to BBS and sex.
Extras: A happy girl, she was told to let me break her in by the mommy so she gave it all she had and I give her props for the effort.

I reconfirmed my previous post and AG is correct on the fee. I was also told the mommy only gets 10-20 rmb out of the 100 and the rest goes to the house. This is the reason the mommies push their girls so hard on Johns.

I was also told a good girl can easily pull in 20k a month while a normal gal makes about 10k. Pretty good salary for a girl under 25 with no formal education or marketable skills. They are only required to work 20 days a month.

KTV behind Yalan Restaurant had about 25 girls, Yalan had 16, Coco's had around 20 between the 2 shops and Jojo's had 10. This was around 9 pm, so it must have been a slow Saturday for the Hongers.

End of Report.

-TSC
formally known as Szexpat

skirt chaser - a man who is aggressive in making amorous advances to women

Jwtong

08-18-07, 18:15

Thanks A.G.

I will be taking a 7-person van service through a Taiwanese Tour Agency. They charge 200 one way or 380 RT to/from HKIA. This will be my 1st time utilizing their van service (bringing laptop this time). Normally, I do the A43 bus routine. I will let you guys know how it works out after returning to the US late next month.

Jwtong

08-18-07, 21:30

Because I prefer "fresh" girls, I normally go to BBS for my selection around 5-6pm. At the latest, it would be 7-8pm, never later than 9pm. Does it matter when a girl is picked up from a BBS for a LT? For me, I paid the same $500 whether I pick one up at 5pm (many times) or at 9pm (twice). Will it be the same price if I can't make it to a BBS until 11pm-1am? Is the LT price negotiatiable if it is late in the evening/early morning?

In addition, what is the LT price for a pickup from a wagon? Is their price structure the same as the BBS?

Jwtong

08-18-07, 22:14

According to my chinese friend in HK, motorcycles will not be allowed in the city limit of CP starting 9/3/07. That means no more cheap transportation for lone rangers. Expect fees to go up for other types of vehicles.

Weelock

08-18-07, 23:33

Hi bro AG,

Can you please provide travelling information for Macau to CP if arriving Macau airport at about 4PM.

Thanks so much.

The biggest problem I see is asking for help and directions along the way. Therefore, knowing some Chinese will help a great deal. If you don’t know any Chinese, it will very very difficult but NOT impossible. The first time for me was a nightmare.

The best way in my opinion would be to cross the border from Macau to Zhuhai, China. Then you can either take a bus or hire a private car. There are two bus stations right across the border in Zhuhai. Both stations are within 100 yards of each other. One has buses going to CP and the other does not. The bus station that’s enclosed and on LHL Road does NOT go to CP. If you are this station, you have to walk south across the street for the other one. Price is about 80-90 RMB.

The bus from Zhuhai will drop you off at the edge of CP near a large station for local buses. You then can take a taxi or a local bus. For a local bus, you have to walk about 100 yards. I recall seeing bus number 1,2,3, and 4 and others. Note this bus station is NOT the same station that’s near the Dongguan Train Station. I took the number 4 bus that took about 15 minutes to get near Lucky Hotel. I believe the number 2 bus would be a better option for Miraton Hotel. Cost for the bus, 2-3RMB. Cost for the taxi, I estimate around 25-30 RMB. The first time I took this route from Zhuhai to CP, I thought I was going to be dropped off at the bus station near Dongguan Train Station. This area is only 5 mins away from Lucky and Miraton Hotel in CP.

Another option is you can cross to Hong Kong but it’s a lot more transferring and more trouble in my opinion. If your Chinese is limited, I would suggest going to Zhuhai and then hiring a private car. This is the easiest and fastest. There are a few members that have hired private cars from Zhuhai to CP and back but I would NOT hire a private car if you are alone. At the border and at both bus stations in Zhuhai, there will be people asking you do you need a ride especially if you have luggage (400-500RMB oneway).

It be nice of you if you can post more. I see you have been a member since 06-02-05, two years.

See link for maps for Zhuhai and the Perl Delta:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=53802

Logos

08-19-07, 01:22

Hi to all. I'm a relative newcomer on this forum even though some of you might recognize my handle from other forums, where I started posting about 5 years ago. I believe my good friend Loso must be active in here somewhere and I recognize some of the helpful guys he mentioned when reporting about his china trips.

I've been a monger in various parts of Asia for about 20 years, live and work in Europe, and travel each year for the Hobby. I finally got hooked up with a lovely khmer girl a few years ago, brought her to Europe and had to cut down a bit on the mongering, but you can't change an old monkey's habits. So last year I was enticed to visit China for the first time after exhilarating reports comparing Shenzhen to a punter's paradise. Even though it compared favourably with other asian destinations (and I had an excellent time thanks to some prior research and plain luck), what I heard about CP puts it in a category of its own, a bit like the old km11 in Phnom Pehn before it was shut down a few years ago.

Before I start with the usual newbie questions some of you might want to point me towards relevant posts about the basics, such as travelling to CP (the above post is quite good, thanks), getting around etc.

My plan is to travel from Bangkok to CP on around oct 5th, spend a week there, travel to Shanghai for a few days and finish with Beijing from the 17th where I am attending a convention. Any info about how to get from CP to shanghai would be appreciated, as well as hotel & basic info about Shanghai. If anybody's in town during those days, drinks are on me.

Night Cat

08-19-07, 02:04

not only americans but the majority of white european tourists to china complained that they were subjected to suspicion, open hostility and obvious discrimination.

the chinese probably teach their children about decades of humiliation, exploitation and corruption under the rule of england and the extreme horrors commited by the japanese imperial forces.

now they see a bunch of big white guys with a little money and bad attitudes, trying to buy the smallest girls with the least amount of money. you should see the fear in the eyes of these little girls as they are taken away by guys twice their height and triple their weight. that's why they are edgy and pissed off.

i suggest that we treat these chinese girls with more gentleness, understanding, forgiveness and generosity. until the johns help the girls get rid of their suspicion, fear and hatred, it's not sex, it's [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123).
the real issue here is that, while our friend owl sometimes sees and tells reality as it is, and can be a nice guy to hang out with, he has an alter ego, such that, at times, he projects onto other people his imagination about their feelings, experiences, and intentions, and speaks from that imagination as if he really believes in it, and he doesn't seem to care about whether it has any basis in reality. in other words, he has a tendency to take side trips into la-la-land. i had suggested to him in the zhuhai thread that he abandon this habit in favor of learning about people's actual feelings, experiences, and intentions by relating to them (after all, they're people, why not relate to them directly), but he has apparently decided against following that advice.

the result is more comments as in his latest post, and forum members responding endlessly to his various imaginings. it's not the worst thing in the world, perhaps it provides a therapeutic benefit to him (and i will admit to deriving a kind of therapeutic benefit from the forum at times myself). toward that end, i'll take a crack at responding to his comments.

owl didn't mention if he asked a large number of whites if they experienced hostility in china, and what they actually said, in order to make his assessment about the majority of whites in china.

owl didn't mention if he asked any chinese parents what they teach their children, and what they actually said.

owl didn't mention if he got to know the big white guys, or the girls who were taken by them, enough to know whether it was really fear in the girls' eyes, and whether the guys had bad attitudes.

owl didn't mention if he actually talked to the girls to find out whether they were really edgy and pissed off (any more than the average worker in any other job).

owl didn't mention if he got to know other isg mongers well enough to find out that maybe, just maybe, they treat the girls with more gentleness and understanding than he does.

in all of the above cases, owl apparently was content to put forth his imagination, making absolutely no effort confirm his perceptions through any real communication with the people involved.

therefore, at the risk of going out on a limb (i'm not a licensed therapist, just a caring nurturer), i might suggest that that the feelings, motivations, etc., that owl projects onto others is really coming from something inside himself. that is, maybe the bad attitudes, fear, lack of gentleness, etc., that he ascribes to others is really the bad attitude, fear, lack of gentleness, etc., in some part of his own psyche, such as the mr. hyde in the jekyll/hyde case. perhaps the drama we see playing out here is the struggle between his own mr. hyde, who wants to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) the girls, and his own dr. jekyll, who wants to be a nice guy, give big tips, and do whatever it takes to hide mr. hyde.

ok, enough crosstalk for now. in the next episode, we will examine the relationship between owl and his mother (if he is so inclined). tune in next week, same owl-time, same owl-channel.

Santa

08-19-07, 02:26

There are two bus stations right across the border in Zhuhai. Both stations are within 100 yards of each other. One has buses going to CP and the other does not. The bus station that’s enclosed and on LHL Road does NOT go to CP. If you are this station, you have to walk south across the street for the other one. Price is about 80-90 RMB.

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If you go to the wrong bus station they will not direct you to the correct station down the street. They will sell you a ticket to Dongguan City. Then you will have to buy a second ticket to ChangPing. Takes about 1 hour longer.

Been there, done that. :(

Also, for those who don't know, the Dongguan Train Station is not in Dongguan City it is in ChangPing.

Ace Gallant

08-19-07, 03:02

The best way in my opinion would be to cross the border from Macau to Zhuhai, China. Then you can either take a bus or hire a private car. There are two bus stations right across the border in Zhuhai. Both stations are within 100 yards of each other. One has buses going to CP and the other does not. The bus station that’s enclosed and on LHL Road does NOT go to CP. If you are this station, you have to walk south across the street for the other one. Price is about 80-90 RMB.

The bus from Zhuhai will drop you off at the edge of CP near a large station for local buses. You then can take a taxi or a local bus. For a local bus, you have to walk about 100 yards. I recall seeing bus number 1,2,3, and 4 and others. Note this bus station is NOT the same station that’s near the Dongguan Train Station. I took the number 4 bus that took about 15 minutes to get near Lucky Hotel. I believe the number 2 bus would be a better option for Miraton Hotel. Cost for the bus, 2-3RMB. Cost for the taxi, I estimate around 25-30 RMB.

Another option is you can cross to Hong Kong but it’s a lot more transferring and more trouble in my opinion. If your Chinese is limited, I would suggest going to Zhuhai and then hiring a private car. This is the easiest and fastest. There are a few members that have hired private cars from Zhuhai to CP and back. I would NOT suggest hiring a private car if you are alone. At the border and at the both bus stations in Zhuhai, there will be people asking you do you need a ride especially if you have luggage (400-500RMB oneway).

It be nice of you if you can post more. I see you have been a member since 06-02-05, two years.

See link for maps for Zhuhai and the Perl Delta:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=53802

Disclaimer:

Titsmotits, as mentioned by some members on the board as a joke, on the contrary; I am not a travel agent. I do not have all the information on transportation but merely provides those information or recommendations which I had experienced or services that I had use.

From Macau Airport to the Border crossing in Gong Bei, take a Macau taxi, estimated cost is Aprox: M$30 – M$60. I do believe there are also Airport buses that take the route. Please enquire at the counters at the arrival hall facing the exit from the Airport customs.

Once across the border in Zhuhai, you can chose the Bus as recommended by Weelock which is one of the most cost effective. However this option is time consuming as I was told it will take 4 hours to reach CP.

The private car option:
(My personal preference)

This is one option which is tested by Johnnykon, Rasperwin and I. There are a lot of private taxi hanging around the area which is across the exit from the customer about 200 yards away. Cross the road into the entrance to Lian Hua Lu shopping street. Facing away from the customs building, it is on the left hand side of the Bus terminal. It is noticeable by the car park where there are many buses parked. (That is also where you catch a bus to CP). There will be a number o Private cars hanging around. Stand there and I am sure you will be approach by someone (touts) for Private Taxi. If you speak Chinese great! If nit, Show print this out and show it to him : 东莞 – 常平 They will ask for 600 – 500, I managed to bargain the price down to 450, Johnny told me that it is possible to get the price down to 400. This is inclusive of all Tolls, Gas, etc.

What I found out is that normally these are some cars from Guangzhou, Dongguan or other parts North East of Guangdong who had sent some customers to Zhuhai and waiting for some customer to go back their way so that their backwards trip will not be wasted, this case they are more willing to except a lower price. If you speak Chinese, it is better to negotiate with the Car driver themselves rather than the touts. According to the drivers once if you get the car from one of the tout say the driver will pay the tout 200rmb. The toll from Zhuhai to CP is about 150 and petrol comes to be around 90rmb. So they are able to cut away the tout, you are likely to get a better price.

The journey to CP is about 2.5 hours without traffic. It will take you via highway cross the Humen Bridge, to Chang Hu Highway into CP.

The Van option:

Another way to get to CP is for you to grab a taxi at the Gongbei immigration to Guangdong Hotel on the other side of Lian Hua Lu. It will cost around 10 – 14rmb. At the Guangdong hotel, there is a van service which Reader123 and I had used before. The cost is 150 per person. However I understand that you may have to pre-book this van prior to your arrival. Johnnykon666 from Zhuhai thread had helped us did the booking and you might want to seek more information from him.

The journey take the same route as the private car / taxi but it take slight longer (3hours) as it is a Van and not so comfortable.

Buy a subscription and have your PM enabled so that you can PM him

The Ferry Option:

You don’t need to go all the way to Hongkong

Catch a taxi to the Jiu Zhou Ferry Terminal (Zhuhai Ferry Terminal) for a Ferry to Shenzhen and from Shenzhen Shekou terminal catch a bus to CP.

It operates every half hourly and the price is 80RMB. The ferry is about 45 – 60 mins.

At the Shekou terminal look for the E&E bus and show them the Chinese characters from above. The journey take another 60 mins. Total time is about the same as the car option. But you will have to transfer a few times.

Lastly: This will be my last answer to your questions. Contribute more, ask nicely and others will be more willing to help you.

Enjoy!
AG

Ace Gallant

08-19-07, 03:29

the real issue here is that, while our friend owl sometimes sees and tells reality as it is, and can be a nice guy to hang out with, he has an alter ego, such that, at times, he projects onto other people his imagination about their feelings, experiences, and intentions, and speaks from that imagination as if he really believes in it, and he doesn't seem to care about whether it has any basis in reality. in other words, he has a tendency to take side trips into la-la-land. i had suggested to him in the zhuhai thread that he abandon this habit in favor of learning about people's actual feelings, experiences, and intentions by relating to them (after all, they're people, why not relate to them directly), but he has apparently decided against following that advice.

the result is more comments as in his latest post, and forum members responding endlessly to his various imaginings. it's not the worst thing in the world, perhaps it provides a therapeutic benefit to him (and i will admit to deriving a kind of therapeutic benefit from the forum at times myself). toward that end, i'll take a crack at responding to his comments.

ok, enough crosstalk for now. in the next episode, we will examine the relationship between owl and his mother (if he is so inclined). tune in next week, same owl-time, same owl-channel.

this is an open forum; everyone is entitled to voice their opinion, experiences and like and dislikes. it is up to the reader to voice their point of view. however these may nicely and quickly develop into a flame war which will invites typical serial antagonists to join into this flame wars. these serial antagonists often grabs every opportunities to participate in these flame wars as they have no information to share nor do they have any experience or contribution to the subjects of "finding women for the purpose of sex" all they do is to sit at home reading our posts telling them is our good experiences, jerking off and turn around using flame wars as a tool to express their disbelief.

i still like what my friend oah said; "everyone is entitled to his own pov". my additions: "you don't like it, just ignore it. something is impossible for you to achieve may not means it is impossible for others. what is irrelevant information to you may be useful to others.”

i had been told by members on the board that nobody is interested read on the board; "how do you get from point a to point b" , "details of who is ag fucking last night?" , "what is the salary system of cp saunas".... but i do get also the same set of questions asking for information on these subjects. i remembered there are a couple of isg guys, whom i met in cp, coming along to a ktv (they are non-drinkers) just to find out what kind of girls ag like!

so, not withstanding all these like and dislikes, i will still continue posting whatever i think is relevant to the threads but refrain from posting any comments that may starts a flame war.

enjoy!
ag

btw: i had met owl once in zhuhai but had not mongered together with him. in general; i is a nice guy and have totally nothing against him nor will i endorse what he had posted. he needs to voice his opinion; let it be. i don’t like what he said; i just don’t read it!

Ace Gallant

08-19-07, 03:33

Weelock

08-19-07, 03:49

Hi bro AG,

Can you please provide travelling information for Macau to CP if arriving Macau airport at about 4PM.

Thanks so much.

I have added a map for Zhuhai for location on Gongbei Bus Station and Jiuzhou Ferry Port and a map for the area around the Delta.

Another option would be take the new ferry route from Macau to Shekou, Shenzhen. You will skip traveling to Zhuhai completely. Then take the bus from Shekou to CP, the same route as AG suggested. From Macau to Shekou sailing time is 12:00 and 18:00. Price is 125MOP/HKD.

See link http://www.turbojet.com.hk/macau_shekou_e.pdf

Sory NO picture of girls

Ace Gallant

08-19-07, 03:51

I reconfirmed my previous post and AG is correct on the fee. I was also told the mommy only gets 10-20 rmb out of the 100 and the rest goes to the house. This is the reason the mommies push their girls so hard on Johns.

I was also told a good girl can easily pull in 20k a month while a normal gal makes about 10k. Pretty good salary for a girl under 25 with no formal education or marketable skills. They are only required to work 20 days a month.

Oh you are right, a big part (50% - 70%) of the 100 goes to the house. Additional information:

1) The guy pimp at Baby BBS is one of the two bosses.
2) Sandy is also one of the bosses of the BBS she works for.
3) The mummies usually gets 50 from the 100 and the runners (Asst. Mummies gets 10)
4) The whole Yalan area(Excluding Swan Lake), all the BBSs are controlled by the same Triad very much like the catacomb.
5) The BBSs bosses pays off the Triad and the Triad pays off the Police.
6) As regular customers, the Triad who know we are, so I rather not fuck around with with the mummies or the bosses. You mess around with them, they can kick your ass if they want to. That is a big hint to someone here.
7) Most of the mini van taxis drivers are mummies spies, they station themselves outside the hotels and calls their mummies if they see their regulars customers without a girl, the mummies will call you. The driver will pick you up go to Yalan. If you pick a girl from the mummy, they get a commission.

KTV behind Yalan Restaurant had about 25 girls, Yalan had 16, Coco's had around 20 between the 2 shops and Jojo's had 10. This was around 9 pm, so it must have been a slow Saturday for the Hongers.

End of Report.

-TSC
formally known as Szexpat

skirt chaser - a man who is aggressive in making amorous advances to women

Yah... nowadays, business is slow, at 10pm, all my regular mummies are calling me telling me they have so many girls tonight!

Enjoy!
AG

Ace Gallant

08-19-07, 04:42

I have added a map for Zhuhai for location on Gongbei Bus Station and Jiuzhou Ferry Port and a map for the area around the Delta.

Another option would be take the new ferry route from Macau to Shekou, Shenzhen. You will skip traveling to Zhuhai completely. Then take the bus from Shekou to CP, the same route as AG suggested. From Macau to Shekou sailing time is 12:00 and 18:00. Price is 125MOP/HKD.

See link http://www.turbojet.com.hk/macau_shekou_e.pdf

Sory NO picture of girls

That's another good option! I think the Turbo Jet should take much lesser time than the ferry. I assumed it should be 30 mins or less? Weelock any ideal?

BTW: I've taken Turbo Jets from HK to Macau and HK to ZH in both classes, the difference between First class and economy class is that you will get a snack and drinks in the first class!

Enjoy!
AG

Suck Harder

08-19-07, 05:33

Please post details on this service as it is useful information!

Enjoy!

AGHi AG,

This service is operated by Xin Gan Xian. I always take this service from HKIA to CP. The cost is 200rmb single trip and 380 return. You pay them when you reach there... it is via SinoWay or Hua Tong. Their MPV is a bit old, not as classy as those SkyLimo ones. But as I said earlier, I was quoted 600HK single trip at the airport... crazy.

Actually I realised if you go HuiHua hotel at the Hua Tong branch and if you buy a return trip from CP to HKIA and HKIA to CP, only 350rmb. However they don't sell from HKIA to CP and CP to HKIA package. Oh one more thing, at that Hua Tong Branch, you can buy a package of 25 return trips at only 300rmb each and they give you 1 free. The tickets will not expire.

Regards, Suck Harder.

Old Mean Dog

08-19-07, 05:47

Oh you are right, a big part (50% - 70%) of the 100 goes to the house. Additional information:

1) The guy pimp at Baby BBS is one of the two bosses.
2) Sandy is also one of the bosses of the BBS she works for.
3) The mummies usually gets 50 from the 100 and the runners (Asst. Mummies gets 10)
4) The whole Yalan area(Excluding Swan Lake), all the BBSs are controlled by the same Triad very much like the catacomb.
5) The BBSs bosses pays off the Triad and the Triad pays off the Police.
6) As regular customers, the Triad who know we are, so I rather not fuck around with with the mummies or the bosses. You mess around with them, they can kick your ass if they want to. That is a big hint to someone here.
7) Most of the mini van taxis drivers are mummies spies, they station themselves outside the hotels and calls their mummies if they see their regulars customers without a girl, the mummies will call you. The driver will pick you up go to Yalan. If you pick a girl from the mummy, they get a commission.

Yah... nowadays, business is slow, at 10pm, all my regular mummies are calling me telling me they have so many girls tonight!

Enjoy!
AG

Actually, Sandy, Jojo and Feifei all work for the same boss, who just so happens to be Jojo and Feifei' RL Uncle.

The reason it was slow last night was because it was pissing down rain (again).

There is certainly a connection between shops and drivers and what I call "scouts", who see us roll into town and start making calls.

#6 Oh, please do tell us who this hint was intended for, since you are the resident expert on CP! Hell, you can even PM me. Inquiring minds want to know!

-TSC

Crazier

08-19-07, 05:58

Weelock

08-19-07, 07:05

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I have been exploring the Shenzhen Fu Yong Ferry Terminal 福永碼頭 which is a port of call for the turbojet from both HK as well as Macau.

From the website, this ferry company does not go from Macau to the Shenzhen. The original question was transportation from Macau airport to CP. I agree, going from Macau to Shekou, Shenzhen then to CP is not the best way. It's just another option.

http://www.turbojetseaexpress.com.hk/e/sailing_schedule_fare_table.asp?vname=sailing_schedule_fare_table

HKIA Tax Refund
The person who first adviced to check out Shekou - HK Airport as an alternative told me that you get HK Airport Tax refunded because you do not truly enter HK and that is one nice saving to get. On a recent departure via Zhuhai (after spending a night there), I went directly from Jinzhou port in Zhuhai to HKIA and got that refund and that paid for my boat ride thereby by-passing HK city! It was nice!

I know about these routes from HKIA to Macau/Shenzhen but have never taken it. Just before you exit the airport, but NOT before you pickup your luggage, there is a counter for Turbo Jet Ferry. The ferry will transfer your luggage from the plane to the ferry for you. You don’t even go thru Hong Kong customs.

My question is, if I take the ferry and I do not travel to Hong Kong, is there an airport tax? I’m a little confused about the tax refund. I saw something different on the bottom of the website. Can a refund be for both departure and arrival?

Below was on the website:

"The above fares include HK$50 passenger handling fee"
"Fares for Macau to HK International Airport include HK$20 departure tax and fee"

Now, I usually travel from HKIA to Macau Ferry Terminal in Sheung Wan. Where I pick-up a discount sauna package with hotel. I think it's 40HKD for the bus ride from the airport to the ferry terminal. If I bypass this route and take the ferry at HKIA, I'm might be able to save on the airport tax?

Santa

08-19-07, 09:25

Wow! Maybe it's better to just stay in the fucking airport! :confused:

Any pussy in the airport? :D

OK. Another useless post by Santa. But at least I'm sometimes funny!

Ace Gallant

08-19-07, 09:37

http://www.turbojetseaexpress.com.hk/e/shenzhen_fu_yong.asp?vname=shenzhen_fu_yong

I have been exploring the Shenzhen Fu Yong Ferry Terminal 福永碼頭 which is a port of call for the turbojet from both HK as well as Macau.

Seems to be right next to Shenzhen Airport and perhaps a decent alternative way to get to CP from both HK and Macau. Of course, there are limited sailing times.

This because I will now also alternate time spent in CP with Humen which is nearer to Shenzhen airport than CP.

I understand from a reliable source that the Shekou location may be too far away from CP to be a good alternative.
In fact, a close friend told me that I would be stupid to even consider to use Shekou to get to CP and just took him for his word and dropped the idea!

I had been told 20 mins ago by the Business Centre of Miraton that all E&E transit to HKIA from CP will be going through the Shenzhen Bay (New immigration as there are no traffic jam and on the Hongkong it is faster because the Highway is brand new. As mentioned, on China side it take slight longer because it is far west of Shenzhen but the saving in Hong Kong side and the clearing at immigration just help to save a total of up to 30mins!

I had came by the new immigration on Friday and found that there is not much difference (3 hours) because we got caught in the Jam at the Meilin checkpoint. But that was the Friday rush anyways.

Actually, Sandy, Jojo and Feifei all work for the same boss, who just so happens to be Jojo and Feifei' RL Uncle.

The reason it was slow last night was because it was pissing down rain (again).

There is certainly a connection between shops and drivers and what I call "scouts", who see us roll into town and start making calls.

-TSC

Jojo says Feifei is her real sister and when I asked FeiFei in another occasion she said she is not but they are only cousins. Jojo says the boss is her Uncle but when I asked the Boss he said they are all my nieces which includes Sandy, Feifei and Jojo and many more.... However the Boss told me that there are 4 shareholders of that BBS on second floor and the other cross the street in Yalan area and Sandy is one of the smaller shareholder.....balh blah blah ...blah blah blah....Who cares???? Why would I want to know about them anyways??? and why the fuck are they telling me all these??? It does not make any difference to us isn't it? Where the pussy at? :D

The "Scouts" as you call them, are definitely on the look out for us. When the Asst mama was my GF, we use to get on to this Mini to get to places within CP. At that time, we only pay 10RMB per trip as compared to 15RMB which we we usually pays.

Enjoy!
AG
BTW: Jojo hates me now because I never take girls from her, but I bet you, I can turn it around in just one visit! :D :D

Dan Hawaii

08-19-07, 10:55

Night Cat

08-19-07, 15:59

This is an open forum; everyone is entitled to voice their opinion, experiences and like and dislikes. It is up to the reader to voice their point of view. However these may nicely and quickly develop into a Flame war which will invites typical serial antagonists to join into this flame wars. These Serial Antagonists often grabs every opportunities to participate in these flame wars as they have no information to share nor do they have any experience or contribution to the subjects of "Finding women for the purpose of sex" All they do is to sit at home reading our posts telling them is our good experiences, jerking off and turn around using flame wars as a tool to express their disbelief.

I still like what my friend OAH said; "Everyone is entitled to his own POV". My additions: "You don't like it, just ignore it. Something is impossible for you to achieve may not means it is impossible for others. What is irrelevant information to you may be useful to others.”
Well said.

Cheers!
NC

Old Mean Dog

08-19-07, 16:40

I had been told 20 mins ago by the Business Centre of Miraton that all E&E transit to HKIA from CP will be going through the Shenzhen Bay (New immigration as there are no traffic jam and on the Hongkong it is faster because the Highway is brand new. As mentioned, on China side it take slight longer because it is far west of Shenzhen but the saving in Hong Kong side and the clearing at immigration just help to save a total of up to 30mins!

I had came by the new immigration on Friday and found that there is not much difference (3 hours) because we got caught in the Jam at the Meilin checkpoint. But that was the Friday rush anyways.

Jojo says Feifei is her real sister and when I asked FeiFei in another occasion she said she is not but they are only cousins. Jojo says the boss is her Uncle but when I asked the Boss he said they are all my nieces which includes Sandy, Feifei and Jojo and many more.... However the Boss told me that there are 4 shareholders of that BBS on second floor and the other cross the street in Yalan area and Sandy is one of the smaller shareholder.....balh blah blah ...blah blah blah....Who cares???? Why would I want to know about them anyways??? and why the fuck are they telling me all these??? It does not make any difference to us isn't it? Where the pussy at? :D

The "Scouts" as you call them, are definitely on the look out for us. When the Asst mama was my GF, we use to get on to this Mini to get to places within CP. At that time, we only pay 10RMB per trip as compared to 15RMB which we we usually pays.

Enjoy!
AG
BTW: Jojo hates me now because I never take girls from her, but I bet you, I can turn it around in just one visit! :D :D

AG,

Well, Jojo and I happen to be very good friends and I talk to her all the time. You believe your story and I will believe mine. If you like, next time you are in town, we can go together and talk to all the mommies about who the hell owns what and how much they get paid.

All I do is report what I am told by trusted friends, what I see with my own eyes (I LIVE here now) and try to give accurate posts, I DO NOT try to be the all knowing, all seeing King of Chang Ping, you already own that title.

I am tired of the contradictions, and subversive flaming...

The Skirt Chaser (SZExpat) Signing Out.

-TSC

Ace Gallant

08-19-07, 18:10

AG,

Well, Jojo and I happen to be very good friends and I talk to her all the time. You believe your story and I will believe mine. If you like, next time you are in town, we can go together and talk to all the mommies about who the hell owns what and how much they get paid.

All I do is report what I am told by trusted friends, what I see with my own eyes (I LIVE here now) and try to give accurate posts, I DO NOT try to be the all knowing, all seeing King of Chang Ping, you already own that title.

I am tired of the contradictions, and subversive flaming...

The Skirt Chaser (SZExpat) Signing Out.

-TSC

SZ,

This is something I wanted to tell you over dinner but I had forgotten.

No Flaming intended and I not interested in finding out who has the real story. All I am interested in is who has the best girls and who will be able to give me the best girls that I like.

Another thing I found out about China; Never trust them 100%. Whether they are your very best friends or they are your regular GF, they will still tell you stories. I had heard and seen it with my own eyes, real blood sisters talking behind each other back, so how much can you trust them?

I think nobody here is interested in finding out whether Jojo or the Boss's story is true. As far as they are concern, they want to know whether they have the number and type of girls they wanted. Whether Sandy is one of the bosses or Feifei is Jojo’s real sister, we still have to pay 200 for ST and 500 for LT.

Finally; who cares about the title "King of CP"? Anyone can have the title. Everyone anonymous on ISG; and this subject is not something we can be proud of. My objective of posting this information actually carries one message: “Do not trust the mummies! Protect yourself, be safe!” Perhaps in future I should go back to what I did in the past? Tell the person directly the message. But I had tried that before which ended up inviting Flame wars!

Perhaps in future we should take discussion offline to the PM system?

Enjoy!
AG

Dan Hawaii

08-19-07, 21:12

Who is interested in doing a KTV on Tuesday night? SK seems to be game. This is something I would really like to do if we can get a big enough group together.

Racetrack
Hi RT,
sounds like you had fun. Yeah, communiucation is key and it would be way more fun; I know how you feel. But it could work in your favor too. Like when the girls ask for more money, just shrugg your shoulders and have a dumb expression on your face, like WTF are you talking about? Sauna girls are a defineately must try. As for the fruit platter, that's the same in Vietnam too, maybe all of asia, but it's cheap if you like fruit.

As for the KTV, all you need is 2 other drinkers and yourself, because the minimum is only 1000rmb for a small room in most KTVs. However, we always go over the minimum because the beers are around 45rmb, but you buy 2 you get 1 free. At the KTV it is fun and you don't really need to communicate with the girls if you like to play drinking games. You can play the bullshit dice or the "bowl" game, not sure what the actual name is called. Actually there are many games that are played with the dice and they are easy to learn. Here are some of the games:

Dice 6 & 1, just remember these numbers. The object is to get rid of all your dice. If you get a 6, you give it to your opponent (the hottie girl). If you get a 1 then you just discard it. That's the game.

Dice, Poker. It's like poker, whoever has the highest dice wins. You can hold and draw your dice just like poker. If you have the lower dice, you hold pairs, and then roll again, but if you still have the lower dice after the roll, you lose.
. If you have the higher dice, then it is her turn.

The Bowl game with 2 dice makes you drink a lot. Just remember 7, 8, 9, . There is a community cup that people pour alcohol in. 7 means you add as much as you want. 8 means you drink half of what's in the community. and 9 means you drink the whole damn thing. Pairs just switches the rotation. Snake Eyes (pair of 1s) means you get to choose someone to drink the whole thing.

Bullshit dice is harder to explain, so I will skip that. And there is another fun game you just use your hands 0,5,10,15,20. It's really fun, one of my favorites, but you need to speak those number in Chinese.

One Wing Low

08-19-07, 21:34

It would be fair for you to ask those questions about my methodology if I were running a well-funded National Science Foundation study. Instead my information and conslusions were based on my own observations and discussions with travellers on the road, who were fairly objective and dispassionate about these issues.

Admittedly my data in this case are not first-hand or exhaustive; my analyses were based on my own understandings of historical events, local culture and values. Take them for what they are worth.

What does this issue have to do with me and my mother? What kinds of twisted motivations do you have here?

Before taking on complex issues, you should learn some manners so you can have discussions in level-headed ways without being emotionally worked up and without letting your own personal problems get in the way of disseminating factual information and fair/objective analyses to the bros.

The real issue here is that, while our friend OWL sometimes sees and tells reality as it is, and can be a nice guy to hang out with, he has an alter ego, such that, at times, he projects onto other people his imagination about their feelings, experiences, and intentions, and speaks from that imagination as if he really believes in it, and he doesn't seem to care about whether it has any basis in reality. In other words, he has a tendency to take side trips into la-la-land.

OK, enough crosstalk for now. In the next episode, we will examine the relationship between OWL and his mother (if he is so inclined). Tune in next week, same owl-time, same owl-channel.

Crazier

08-20-07, 00:24

From the website, this ferry company does not go from Macau to the Shenzhen. The original question was transportation from Macau airport to CP. I agree, going from Macau to Shekou, Shenzhen then to CP is not the best way. It's just another option.

W.,

Check this link, it says differently.

http://www.turbojet.com.hk/turbojet_sailing_rev.htm

This is also confirmed on Macau Government Tourist Office website
http://www.macautourism.gov.mo/en/info/get2macau.php

from where I got the link.

I also wrote to turbojet by email about 3 weeks ago and they confirmed the route.

My question is, if I take the ferry and I do not travel to Hong Kong, is there an airport tax? I’m a little confused about the tax refund. I saw something different on the bottom of the website. Can a refund be for both departure and arrival?

Below was on the website:

"The above fares include HK$50 passenger handling fee"
"Fares for Macau to HK International Airport include HK$20 departure tax and fee"

I can confirm that you get your departure tax and other charges if you are using the ferry terminal/departure like I did from Macau direct to HKIA using the ferry bypassing the city.

Technically because you do not enter HK, you get the money back.

For arrival, I have no idea and cannot confirm either way. Try calling turbojet to ask.

Best regards,

C.

Weelock

08-20-07, 04:20

W.,

Check this link, it says differently.

http://www.turbojet.com.hk/turbojet_sailing_rev.htm

This is also confirmed on Macau Government Tourist Office website
http://www.macautourism.gov.mo/en/info/get2macau.php
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C.

Crazier:

I found where you got the information for "Shenzhen Fu Yong Ferry Terminal".

TurboJET's service also extends to carrying passengers to and from Shenzhen. The company offers trips between Macau and Shenzhen Fu Yong Ferry Terminal (09:45a.m., 10:45 a.m.*, 12:30 p.m. and 7:15 p.m. departing from Macau; 10:30 a.m.*, 1:30 p.m.and 5:30 p.m. departing from Shenzhen). The journey is just over 1 hour. Regular fares vary from HK$171 to HK$271.

There seems like there is a conflict of information. I thought the boat only goes from Macau to Shekou Port, in Shenzhen. The route Macau to Shekou is on the same website but on a different page.
http://www.turbojet.com.hk/macau_shekou_e.pdf I knew about the ferry going from Macau to Shenzhen but I always thought it was at Shekou.

Maybe they have not updated their website yet. How much was the refund did you get?

Thanks......

Old Mean Dog

08-21-07, 15:53

Met up with my good buddy Manfest for a footie over at the Lucky Hotel where he is staying, later headed to the Miraton and met Race Track and his new girlfriend, who was a hot little number that spoke fair English. Along with my "so called" gf and my assistant/friend CB, had a nice dinner. After Race Track and his girl went back, the 4 of us headed to the Yalan for a tour.

Once again, it was pissing down rain, which actually worked to our advantage because most of the shops were fully stocked. I have noticed a sharp decline and quality of girls at the Yalan KTV while the Silver Star KTV, Jojo's and Babys is certainly improving.

After the tour, Manfest chose a sweet girl from Jojos and my assistant pulled a hottie from Babys. After my gf flew the coop, I went home SOLO for a change. Oh well, I need to pace myself and budget for pussy accordingly, but it's a very tough job ;)

-The Skirt Chaser

Crazier

08-21-07, 17:49

How much was the refund did you get?

Thanks......

W.,

I forgot the exact amount but it was around 140 HK$ which made up for my expensive ferry from Zhuhai to HKIA which was close to 200rmb.

I likedit enough to say, if the route and timing suits you, do it.

C.

Babaluba

08-21-07, 19:40

Crazier:

I found where you got the information for "Shenzhen Fu Yong Ferry Terminal".

TurboJET's service also extends to carrying passengers to and from Shenzhen. The company offers trips between Macau and Shenzhen Fu Yong Ferry Terminal (09:45a.m., 10:45 a.m.*, 12:30 p.m. and 7:15 p.m. departing from Macau; 10:30 a.m.*, 1:30 p.m.and 5:30 p.m. departing from Shenzhen). The journey is just over 1 hour. Regular fares vary from HK$171 to HK$271.

There seems like there is a conflict of information. I thought the boat only goes from Macau to Shekou Port, in Shenzhen. The route Macau to Shekou is on the same website but on a different page.
http://www.turbojet.com.hk/macau_shekou_e.pdf I knew about the ferry going from Macau to Shenzhen but I always thought it was at Shekou.

Maybe they have not updated their website yet. How much was the refund did you get?

Thanks......

You are correct, there are two service lines from Macau to Shenzhen, one with turbjet to Fu Yong Ferry Terminal (close to airport) and the other to Shekou. The link for the latter you found already but for complete information check:

http://www.xunlongferry.com/e-pwzx.asp

I used both lines, pretty much the same service and depends on where you want to go...

br,
Babaluba

Manfest

08-21-07, 22:38

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After my gf flew the coop, I went home SOLO for a change. Oh well, I need to pace myself and budget for pussy accordingly, but it's a very tough job ;)

-The Skirt Chaser

First and foremost, thanks to The Skirt Chaser for his time and generosity. Always a pleasure to hang with the big man. Plenty of comments on the board already, but will add that besides your upstanding forum personality, you're a good buddy in real life too. Second, the Yalan BBS scene was great. It is an overexageration to say it was better than expected because there are so many good stories, but it definitely met high expectations. I'm a very simple man, show me some big breasts and I'll show you a man in love (for at least 1-2 hours). Now I usually fall out of love after the first shot, but Xiao Yuen was a former massage girl and had nice training. No need for details, but besides the dripping wet pussy, allowing fingering during BBBJ, and great sex, she gave a great breast massage and neck rub prior to and after sex! I'll add that after she took her padded bra off, they weren't even that big, but still I was happy which should say something.

Other notes: TSC's assistant's girl had confirmed beautiful breasts (popped out at the BBS), and was in the other bedroom of my suite. We kinda joked that after he was done, we should swap (and I was game!). Unfortunately, it didn't work out because mine was still massaging me when his left, but boy this was a great possibility. Also, neither of our girls had condoms!! I had to run down to the 7-11 to pick up some, at which time I was offered dozens more girls by 4 mommies hanging outside the lobby. Is that beautiful or what.

Anyway, the highlight was seeing TSC again, and meeting CB, racetrack, TSC's girl, and race's girl. Great fun and would do it again anytime. Finally, no need to shed a tear for our temporarily lonely TSC, he LIVES in the most wonderful city in all of the mongering world.

Old Mean Dog

08-22-07, 04:20

After my assistant was done, called me to ask if I need a shot since mine was in her "red week", thought about it for 2 seconds and said YES. The girl was such a hottie and better with clothes off:

Name: Xiao Yue
Age: Chinese 18
Home: Hunan
BBS: Babys
Looks: 8 face and body awsome
Skills: 6, no BBBJ, but willing to get into many positions and likes DATY
Overall: A quality pop and worth the money. She is somewhat new (2 weeks in town)

-The Skirt Chaser

Night Cat

08-22-07, 10:17

Before taking on complex issues, you should learn some manners so you can have discussions in level-headed ways without being emotionally worked up and without letting your own personal problems get in the way of disseminating factual information and fair/objective analyses to the bros.
OK. Please accept my apologies for anything that wasn't factual or fair.
Regards,
NC

Old Mean Dog

08-22-07, 14:32

For informational purposes, 2 guys from Los Angeles have taken over the night club at the Hui Mei Hotel called the Sing Along Night Club. I will try to talk to them about prices and such for ISG members who wander in there looking for girls and fun.

-The Skirt Chaser

Manfest

08-22-07, 23:26

After my assistant was done, called me to ask if I need a shot since mine was in her "red week", thought about it for 2 seconds and said YES. The girl was such a hottie and better with clothes off

That is hilarious, all three of us were trying to get into her pants. And only I didn't! :(

My limited observations, comparing SZN and CP, are that the numbers of girls are not so important as the attitude. I really felt there was a brief connection and that they were genuinely nice girls in CP. You can rarely find this in SZN, but overall it just seems more professional. That of course translates into GFE and my overall fantasy role play.

One Wing Low

08-23-07, 06:10

You posted some in-depth info into the area you went through, which I enjoy reading.

Keep up the good work. Will buy you a few beers when we cross again.

OK. Please accept my apologies for anything that wasn't factual or fair.
Regards,
NC

Playboy2000

08-23-07, 10:27

Hey SK,

So you finally got your assistant to partake! You have corrupted that poor young man for life!

Hey Manifest,

It was nice meeting you as well. I suspect that I will cross paths with you and SK in the future, most likely in Changping. You are right - SK is one of the most pleasant hosts in the mongering world!

Hey Manifest and SK, I wish I could replicate myself, because I would have loved to have joined you for another BBS tour.

Thanks also to Dan Hawaii and Loso for all the excellent advice (even though we haven't met F2F).

Summary for ISG readers:

I spent three days and nights in Changping.

- Went twice to the Mirathon sauna.
- Did one short time with a BBS girl
- Had a wonderful evening at the Jia Yi KTV. Took a girl from there for LT on two consecutive nights. Jia Yi KTV was all that I expected and more.

Thanks to ISG for introducing me to CP. I hope to return sometime in the next six months.

Racetrack

Dan Hawaii

08-23-07, 10:51

Old Mean Dog

08-24-07, 18:40

Decided to take my assistant of a tour of the 40 rmb massage joints we have seen around town. Quality of girls range from 4-7, massage skills of the one I had was pure shit, flop house kind of seedy joint with naked girl posters on the wall.

Massage: 40 rmb
Oily HJ: 40 rmb
Her Naked: 40 rmb

I told my girl to just keep her clothes on and I would close my eyes and fantasize about someone prettier. My assistant liked his service, but toss off joints ain't really my cup of tea.

-TSC

Old Mean Dog

08-24-07, 18:44

Noticed tonight they are building a Starbucks Coffee Shop across the street from McDonalds/Miraton, next to the Sundan Store. Is this a good or bad sign?

-TSC

Bill Lee

08-24-07, 19:09

Bad sign - More foreigners. The non-Asian type, the type to ruin the market. Not to say that those near-by overseas Asians won't fuck up the market either.

Good sign - free wireless Internet access(?). More high end working girls and locals hanging out to find a rich Daddy-O. ;>}

Bill

Noticed tonight they are building a Starbucks Coffee Shop across the street from McDonalds/Miraton, next to the Sundan Store. Is this a good or bad sign?

-TSC

Manfest

08-25-07, 04:44

I can't remember what the picture etiquette was for BBS girls. She was a pro, no question, but very very sweet. I'll mask her face for now unless I understand better. No nudes, anyway.

This is my girl described below, and probably in my top ten of all time!

Old Mean Dog

08-25-07, 18:05

Met up with Mongerx at the Miraton and along with my Wingman and CB, did a tour of the BBS's around 7 pm. All shops fully stocked, reminded me of when I first came to CP. After viewing the shops in the Yalan area, checked out Babys and her shop was loaded up.

Decided to head over to the Jia Yi KTV with Mongerx to look over the lineup. It never ceases to amaze me how Chinese girls can be so beautiful and sexy and this KTV certainly showcases them.

Non-Sex Info: Around the corner and down the road towards the Swan KTV is a small restaurant called Godfathers, which serves pretty good Western food and is owned by a Brit.

After Jia Yi and dinner, did another tour of the Yalan area and still very stocked and this was around 11.

Wingman pulls a new girl and decides to bone her at the Yalan hotel, while CB and I try a footie there. Nice looking girls and only 38 rmb for the footie. Afterwards, pulled a regular and went home.

Window shopping is certainly fun!

-The Skirt Chaser

Bill Lee

08-25-07, 18:58

Manfest, there are no picture etiquette spelled out on this board but just rules as in: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-forumrules.php#photoguidelines

Personally, I preferred pictures without blocking anyone's faces. No pictures of limbs and parts. To me, it's all about the look. I certainly don't think that one should post a non-working girl picture on the board unless you explicitly say that she's a non-working girl.

It was only over a year and half ago that the mighty Cronin posted his last pics. They were the type of poses that we all enjoyed - http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=433490&postcount=114

But that's just me and my opinion and as always, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Why don't you allow senior members with 698 posts or more to receive non-blocking pics of your girls? Any members with 698 posts or more can PM you with their e-mail?

That's just my opinion.

Bill

I can't remember what the picture etiquette was for BBS girls. She was a pro, no question, but very very sweet. I'll mask her face for now unless I understand better. No nudes, anyway.

This is my girl described below, and probably in my top ten of all time!

DRRonin

08-26-07, 11:32

Just back from seven days in Chang Ping. This was my first trip into China and I'd like to first thank all the folks who have supplied so much information on this board. I never would have heard about this place without them and certainly could never have navigated myself around without the information. But with a bit of knowledge it turned out to be remarkably easy to get what my friend and I wanted (other than good food!). I'll go into more detail later though I don't think I have much to add that hasn't already passed through this forum but it is perhaps a slightly different perspective from someone who has no Chinese skills, very little experience with Chinese female sexual services and who did not hook up with any experienced CP mongers. To put this in some context my friend and I have often traversed to the usual global spots where men find available women for these activities - Rio, Dominican Republic, Thailand, the Philippines, Mexico, Cambodia, Indonesia, Hong Kong, Macau - and so came with certain expectations and hopes based on what we have received in these other locations. In some ways CP scored high, in other ways not so much.

Also, it has to be noted that our data points are few - between the two of us we went with 25 different women - and all from the BBS's. We had initially intended to do both BBS's and KTV girls but in truth found the girls at the BBS's to be more than adequate in terms of looks and couldn't see how the KTV girls could be worth more than twice the price. If they are, then we sorely missed out. It may seem anal, but we tend to compare notes with each other and to sort of break down our experiences between excellent, average and bad and detail what the girls are willing to do. Excellent being we wanted to go with that girl again and if she had a sister we wanted to do her as well; average being they did the basics but not very well and you feel almost relieved when you sent them packing out the door; bad being they won't do much of anything and do it badly. Of course everyone may have different basics that they are looking for - ours are simple - a bit of kissing, some oral and some intercourse. Neither of us expects one of these girls to stay under us moaning for the length of a mini-series, to swallow any foreign substances, to do cosplay, to bring out the handcuffs or bend over for anal - we are the Wheaties of sex - boring but nutritious. We also like young women with lovely slim bodies.

Girl watching in CP should be an Olympic sport. It is hottie heaven. I mean just the everyday girls walking around or behind the store counters - absolute stunners everywhere - small bundles of joy or long legged limber Goddesses. Around the Miraton it is an endless parade of young women and neck turning - just when you think you have seen one of the cutest girls ever another replaces her in your heart. This environment tends to put you in the mood - often and quickly. Often we would say to one another at some point in the day "that's it - no more today" and fifteen minutes of watching girls go by in a restaurant or while shopping we would look at one another and go - "well maybe one more today". The BBS's provided an easy supply to access from early in the afternoon to late in the evening. The majority of the girls in the BBS's are not that great in truth but nearly every one has a few girls that make you take a step back, rub your eyes and go - damn she is fine and she will soon be mine. There are all types in the BBS's - small, tall, no breasts, big breasts, pink nippled, dark nippled, big smiles, no smiles - a real smorgasboard of possibilites. Of the 25 girls we got to know we had nary a single complaint in terms of looks when that magic moment came and the clothes disappeared - absolutely lovely bodies - no drooping breasts, no surprise scars, no hidden cellulite - just young bodies looking the way they are suppose to at that age. There were times I just wanted to stare and not even begin having sex.

Sometimes in fact that would have been best. Again going back to previous experiences in other countries, I have to rate the overall sexual experience with these Chinese women as generally uninspired - there are a lot of "I don't do that", not a lot of passion, no spontanaity and next to no imagination on their part - we are a product to be processed as quickly as possible. No doubt if I could speak the language I could get much more out of these interludes but again this is strictly from the perspectives of my friend and I and our small data sampling. Of the 25 girls - 11 fell into the Excellent category, 4 into the Average and 10 into the Bad. Of the total only about half were willing to do oral and only a handful of those knew what they were doing. I admit to being mystified by the pleasure of the glass of water BJ - water may be good to gargle with but not to blow with - the whole thing struck me as more comedic than sensual - there is no rythmn to it - start - stop - fill your mouth and go for a few seconds - but thats the way a number of these girls had been taught by some sadist and so thats all they could do. Kissing - even a smaller pct much to my surprise - about a third were willling and when I found a good one who could suck your tonsils out I felt like I had won a Nobel Prize. Screwing - well yes of course - though we both had one girl who literally stopped us after a few seconds and said she could not take any more but a number complained of the pain (and believe me when I say some straws are bigger around) and only a few were willing to go beyond missionary. I put a few on top of me and they look puzzled as to what they were suppose to do next.But most of them had lovable personalities and I just couldn't get annoyed with them - they are so cute and so huggable that you almost feel guilty for wanting them to do these things to you. I get the inpression that a lot of the BBS girls are new to the biz and this may explain much of this - perhaps the KTV girls give much more - and both of us tended to go with the younger ones in the BBS's. There is a lot of false advertising that goes on of course - I was promised great BJs more often than Bush has promised we are turning the corner in Iraq and like those promises many of these did not materialize beyond a few seconds of hope and charity.

But I don't want this to be too negative - we had a great time in CP and will definitely be back because when you get a good one it is simply a dazzling experience but it is very hit and miss compared to other places and you just have to either factor that in or perhaps become better at reading girls - Chinese girls are new to us and I can't get a read on them yet but it is something I want to practice much more of.

In the next report I'll give out some more specific info that may or may not be of interest to others pondering whether to sojourn here - but in a nutshell - Yes.

Jellybelly

08-26-07, 16:15

Thanks for all the info here. I wish I had known of this webbie prior to visiting DG for the first time last year. I went with another friend after being suggested the area by an acquaintance from HK.

We had gone to the Jia Yi hotel KTV just two weeks after its opening. Coming from a Western society, this place was indeed mind blowing. The staff was fantastic and the candy market was unbelievable. Really enjoyed the night's entertainment in VIP room learning to play dice games and getting blind drunk.

I had chosen the company of two very different chinese girls (I say girls as they were both indeed young), which also leads me to ask the question:

I believe some girls are under the age of 18 there in appearance anyways, can someone confirm this?

The first girl I chose had a party demeanor about her and was very fun with the drinks and games. The second girl I just could not pass up due to the innocent look. So by the end of the night, I had to take both to the room with me. Prior to heading to the room, we went to the nightclub which is within walking distance to the KTV. Had more drinks there. The party girl suggested something called "K" which she arranged. I still dont know til this date what the powdery substance was, but it went down well with the beers.

By about 2am we went to the rooms.

I made the mistake of choosing 2 girls that didnt know each other, so there in lies the issue of them (via alot of body language) informing me that I can only go DATY on one or the other and not both. Decisions decisions, cos both pussies looked delicious. Any how 200rmb tip later I was eating out of both, but got to say the innocent pussie was just a tad sweeter.

After BBBJ FS with both and popping twice, I paid party girl the LT fee and asked her to leave whilst I intend to go again with the innocent one.

Up until this time everything was fine. Chatted with the girl in bed for awhile and went for another FS. My night then becomes a major disappointment halfway through the FS. The girl gets a phonecall on her cell and starts talking in chinese. The phonecall ends and she indicates she needs to leave cos her BF (Im assuming) demands she goes home. At this moment in time im thinking to myself THIS IS BS! Im here for a good time, Ive just sent away party girl and now innocent girl wants to leave. Not knowing how to indicate that Im not wanting this BS I bar the door. The cell phone rings again and she begins to cry. She picks up the phone and starts having this ranting conversation with this guy who at this point is screaming down the line. She passes the phone to me and this guy at the end of the line starts screaming at me. At this point in time I didnt know what to do, but to offer a candid "FUCK U" down the line and hang up.

The girl continues to cry and I let her go paying her half the LT fee. She shakes her head indicating that this wont do. So I point to the bed and make her understand she does the full LT and I give her the full LT fee.

She calls this guy up again and she makes it known that the guy is on her way to the hotel. Now, Gentlemen, if I was in my own country I would be more than happy for this confrontation. But, being in a foreign country / environment I thought it prudent to avoid this. I opened the door, offered the half LT fee again and told her to get out. She took the money and left.

This was the only night I spent in DG and it left a sour taste in my mouth. Any comments on my ordeal is appreciated. Im intending to head to DG again in November.

Happy Mongering!

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Jellybelly

08-26-07, 16:19

Thanks for all the info here. I wish I had known of this webbie prior to visiting DG for the first time last year. I went with another friend after being suggested the area by an acquaintance from HK.

We had gone to the Jia Yi hotel KTV just two weeks after its opening.coming from a Western society, this place was indeed mind blowing. The staff was fantastic and the candy market was unbelievable. Really enjoyed the night's entertainment in VIP room learning to play dice games and getting blind drunk.

I had chosen the company of two very different Chinese girls (I say girls as they were both indeed young), which also leads me to ask the question:

I believe some girls are under the age of 18 there in appearance anyways, can someone confirm this?

The first girl I chose had a party demeanor about her and was very fun with the drinks and games. The second girl I just could not pass up due to the innocent look. So by the end of the night, I had to take both to the room with me. Prior to heading to the room, we went to the nightclub which is within walking distance to the KTV. Had more drinks there. The party girl suggested something called "K" which she arranged. I still don't know til this date what the powdery substance was, but it went down well with the beers.

By about 2am we went to the rooms.

I made the mistake of choosing 2 girls that didn't know each other, so there in lies the issue of them (via alot of body language) informing me that I can only go DATY on one or the other and not both. Decisions decisions, because both pussies looked delicious. Any how 200rmb tip later I was eating out of both, but got to say the innocent pussie was just a tad sweeter.

After BBBJ FS with both and popping twice, I paid party girl the LT fee and asked her to leave whilst I intend to go again with the innocent one.

Up until this time everything was fine. Chatted with the girl in bed for awhile and went for another FS. My night then becomes a major disappointment halfway through the FS. The girl gets a phonecall on her cell and starts talking in Chinese. The phonecall ends and she indicates she needs to leave because her BF (I'm assuming) demands she goes home. At this moment in time I'm thinking to myself THIS IS BS! I'm here for a good time, I've just sent away party girl and now innocent girl wants to leave. Not knowing how to indicate that I'm not wanting this BS I bar the door. The cell phone rings again and she begins to cry. She picks up the phone and starts having this ranting conversation with this guy who at this point is screaming down the line. She passes the phone to me and this guy at the end of the line starts screaming at me. At this point in time I didn't know what to do, but to offer a candid "FUCK you" down the line and hang up.

The girl continues to cry and I let her go paying her half the LT fee. She shakes her head indicating that this won't do. So I point to the bed and make her understand she does the full LT and I give her the full LT fee.

She calls this guy up again and she makes it known that the guy is on her way to the hotel. Now, Gentlemen, if I was in my own country I would be more than happy for this confrontation. But, being in a foreign country / environment I thought it prudent to avoid this. I opened the door, offered the half LT fee again and told her to get out. She took the money and left.

This was the only night I spent in DG and it left a sour taste in my mouth. Any comments on my ordeal is appreciated. I'm intending to head to DG again in November.

Happy Mongering!

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Jellybelly

08-26-07, 17:31

When arranging for Sauna Managers to source a girl to your room, what is an appropriate tipping fee?

Santa

08-27-07, 01:58

The girl gets a phonecall on her cell and starts talking in Chinese. The phonecall ends and she indicates she needs to leave because her BF (I'm assuming) demands she goes home. At this moment in time I'm thinking to myself THIS IS BS! ]

OK, I think we all know this game. Her "boyfriend", who is really her pimp, had another customer.

To avoid this problem you need to negotiate with her, before you agree to take her, to turn off her phone and not turn it on until the next morning at an agreed upon time. I know how to do that, but since my mandarin is not good, I'll leave it to someone else to give us a correct english to chinese translation. Anybody want to post that in the language thread?

Guan shouji = lock handphone. Kai shouji = open handphone.

Xianzai = now. Mingtian = tomorrow.

Xianzai guan shouji, mingtian kai shouji. Hao bu hao?

Old Mean Dog

08-27-07, 02:38

I believe some girls are under the age of 18 there in appearance anyways, can someone confirm this?

The girl continues to cry and I let her go paying her half the LT fee. She shakes her head indicating that this won't do. So I point to the bed and make her understand she does the full LT and I give her the full LT fee.

This was the only night I spent in DG and it left a sour taste in my mouth. Any comments on my ordeal is appreciated. I'm intending to head to DG again in November.

I doubt anyone would be stupid enough to admit having sex with girls under 18, it's illegal and against forum policy. I am 100% positive some of the hostesses are under 18, which includes KTV, Massage and other places of adult leisure.

As Santa said, you picked the "Con Artist" Girl. I have noticed some girls will fulfill their duties, while others go out of their way to get over on guys, especially, if you are non-Asian and/or don't speak the language.

Considering prostitution is illegal in China, as a foreigner, what recourse do you have if she steals your shit or you get into a scuffle with her pimp? What would you say to the police, if it came to that?

Try your luck picking the right girl, take recommendations from friends and/or past clients and if something still goes bad, better to just cut your losses and let her go. You win some, you lose some.

-The Skirt Chaser

Jellybelly

08-27-07, 03:11

Tile Man4

08-27-07, 06:03

Thanks for the words of wisdom.

I guess I should spell it out to the mamasan / ladies the rules of engagement next time I do an LT to avoid my previous experience.

Disclaimer: My query bout some girls looking young you have answered Skirt Chaser. The girls I spent time with were both of legal age.

Thanks also to all who PMed me as well. The members of this site are fantastic!

I won't assume jellybelly is a rookie to China only because he have 4 post. But for all rookies going to China if you buy a prostitute for 1 hour or overnight , then you own her for 1 hour or overnight. Just be polite , don't hurt them and don't be an asshole.

Santa is right about the cell phone . For people who have read some of my post , this cell phone hit my anger button. Cell phone off !!!!!!!!!!!! NO EXCEPTIONS.

I was told that its an insult to ask any Chinese person to turn their cell phone off. Pure bull shit. A Chinese woman can blow you and still talk on the cell phone at the same time. This is why most of them give such poor head. Its a one way street with this cell phone . You insult them if you ask them to turn it off , but its OK for them to talk to pimp and conduct more business while she is with you. Just be FF&F (Fucking Firm and Fair). If she says no to the cell phone OFF , give her the boot. Go on to the next one.

What Santa said about negotiate is impossible. If you can't speak Chinese and she can't speak English , I hope you like talking to the wall. You have to use hand signals and maybe even draw pictures , but be prepared for the stupid act with your hand signals and picture drawing. If she gives you the stupid act , I still don't understand. Give her the boot. Go on to the next one. I am sure Santa's word negotiate meant use common sense and whatever works. Out of respect , I can not speak for Santa.

I get sick of hearing about cheap prices , cheap prices. 90% of the foreign men that go to China get fucked over like jellybelly. What good is a cheap price if you have to put up with the cell phone , a controlling pimp and a dumb acting con-artist prostitute.

I will go without pussy in China before I have to deal with the pimp and the rest. I will get pussy in China when I get there , but I won't be putting up with the shit that most go through. I have read the 10% experts post on ISG and because of my own stupidity in China , I have learned so much.

Remember , when in doubt. Give them the boot. Go on to the next one. We foreign men are starting to look more and more stupid in China than men who pay high prices. Talk to some Chinese western men or Chinese local men and ask if they put up with this shit. No fucking way do they put up with this BS.

You all be safe and take care. tile man

Superforce99

08-27-07, 07:35

*clap* *clap* *clap*

(my hearty appreciation for SZ Expat changing his handle from the absurd
to the sublime...)

J

Santa

08-27-07, 07:49

Guan shouji = lock handphone. Kai shouji = open handphone.

Xianzai = now. Mingtian = tomorrow.

Xianzai guan shouji, mingtian kai shouji. Hao bu hao?

I added a simple translation which should work.

Since you are "renting" pussy, you can and should negotiate the terms of the lease contract. Which services are provided? How long she stays? What time she leaves? Cellphone on or off? Price? But of course you need some chinese language skills.

Sometimes, a longtime rental girl will get a call from her pimp in the morning. Now she is in a big hurry to leave, doesn't want to have any more fun with you and wants full payment. Her next customer is waiting and she will lose him if she doesn't hurry. It's not romance, it's business!

Also, when "buying" pussy you should have a legal prenuptial.

CPexpat? Damn! Now I cannot make fun of "The Skirt". :D

Dan Hawaii

08-27-07, 07:51

I won't assume jellybelly is a rookie to China only because he have 4 post. But for all rookies going to China if you buy a prostitute for 1 hour or overnight , then you own her for 1 hour or overnight. Just be polite , don't hurt them and don't be an asshole.

Santa is right about the cell phone . For people who have read some of my post , this cell phone hit my anger button. Cell phone off !!!!!!!!!!!! NO EXCEPTIONS.

I was told that its an insult to ask any Chinese person to turn their cell phone off. Pure bull shit. A Chinese woman can blow you and still talk on the cell phone at the same time. This is why most of them give such poor head. Its a one way street with this cell phone . You insult them if you ask them to turn it off , but its OK for them to talk to pimp and conduct more business while she is with you. Just be FF&F (Fucking Firm and Fair). If she says no to the cell phone OFF , give her the boot. Go on to the next one.

What Santa said about negotiate is impossible. If you can't speak Chinese and she can't speak English , I hope you like talking to the wall. You have to use hand signals and maybe even draw pictures , but be prepared for the stupid act with your hand signals and picture drawing. If she gives you the stupid act , I still don't understand. Give her the boot. Go on to the next one. I am sure Santa's word negotiate meant use common sense and whatever works. Out of respect , I can not speak for Santa.

I get sick of hearing about cheap prices , cheap prices. 90% of the foreign men that go to China get fucked over like jellybelly. What good is a cheap price if you have to put up with the cell phone , a controlling pimp and a dumb acting con-artist prostitute.

I will go without pussy in China before I have to deal with the pimp and the rest. I will get pussy in China when I get there , but I won't be putting up with the shit that most go through. I have read the 10% experts post on ISG and because of my own stupidity in China , I have learned so much.

Remember , when in doubt. Give them the boot. Go on to the next one. We foreign men are starting to look more and more stupid in China than men who pay high prices. Talk to some Chinese western men or Chinese local men and ask if they put up with this shit. No fucking way do they put up with this BS.

You all be safe and take care. tile man
Words of wisdom from experience. I know this shit happens many times. I had this happen to me. This girl I got from the BBS behind the Hui Mei at around 6pm and took her to dinner. Hopeing for LT, but during dinner she got a call which was spoken in her native tongue, because our friend could not understand WTF she was saying. Then we proceeded upstairs to do the deed, and wanted her for LT, but she refused and said she needed to go. I was like WTF, then I realized that phone call from din din was why she was anxious to leave. She said she will come back, but I was not in the mood for sloppy seconds, so I let her go. What BS!!! Anyways, it is true that cell phones are our enemies, so tell them to turn them off. I remember I told a girl to turn off their cell phone and she denied, then I got an angry/stern look, then she said ok. It works, and you should do it in front of the mommies, before you pay. And then the mommies will unwillingly agree. Make it a condition to do business.

Dan Hawaii

08-27-07, 07:58

When arranging for Sauna Managers to source a girl to your room, what is an appropriate tipping fee?
you do not need to tip. The best way is to go to the sauna place and ask them for a parade/line-up and choose the girl that you want. Do not ask the manager to choose for you, you might not be happy. You just sit in 1 of the sauna rooms and wait for the line up, then you choose and then you tell the manager your room number and the girl will come to see you in 15 minutes.

Dan Hawaii

08-27-07, 08:03

*clap* *clap* *clap*

(my hearty appreciation for SZ Expat changing his handle from the absurd
to the sublime...)

J
Skirt Chaser,

I don't want to tell you "I told you so" :) .

Bob Builder

08-27-07, 08:05

you are basically fecked. Especially if you are a foreigner, they don't really care and probably would just be as happy to leave without doing you and just collecting the sitting fee. The gals don't care cause there is a new sucker every day and once they [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) the mommy off, they go somewhere else and are new gals all over again.

I had this problem with a white friend of mind from the US where the gal stopped service after 5 minutes and came downstairs toe the KTV room saying she did not want to continue as she could not communicate with the guy. I told her I wasn't paying her to fecking talk and don't start the BS about being too big cause I've been to Saunas with the guy and he ain't that big.

Pointpanic

08-27-07, 12:43

Jettsetter

08-27-07, 22:20

Does anybody know whats the deal with the Japanese Karaoke on the first floor of the Hui Hua to the right side under the stairs? Beautiful hostesses but don't know if you can take them home and whether they cost an arm and a leg.

WaikikiBob

I wasn't aware of anything under those stairs except for a business center. I must be blind, but it didn't appear there was much action there. Generally, the "hostesses" or "greeters" aren't generally available. That applies for the DJ's as well. If you're smoothe, you MAY be able to wrestle something up, but I've never seen it done. I wouldn't count it impossible, because the Foot massage girls at Lucky Hotel generally aren't available and I've actually had success in bedding one of them. (although I refrained from F'ing her because she was still a virgin). I opted for some oral action instead which took lots of short sessions to get to.

I find that the challenges are always fun. By no means am I a good looking guy, but I can charm with the best of them. For example, getting mommies at KTV's or non-working girls are always a fun challenge in China. But you have to be careful about the boundaries associated with getting some gals. Some of these gals, while above 18, have the mentality of a 13 year old when it comes to sex. I mean some gals have never even kissed a guy let alone doing anything else. So buyer beware... you may have success with these innocent gals, but you always have the psycho factor or truly hurting their feelings if you're in it for the one nighter.

In my instance, I've kept my MP gal as a friend. She doesn't demand much of my time (considering i only go back twice a year), and when I go back, we hang out more than anything else. Sometimes it's nice to have a break from the traditional "working gal" attitude and hanging out with someone who truly enjoys your company (instead of your money).

I've had working gals who really liked me and working gals who knew the game, enjoyed their time, but moved on without issue. I think your time is what you make of it out there and finding those gems in the "rough".

In the end, though, I chalk it up to fantasy. I look at my time there as the portal to Fantasy Land... have fun, play around, don't get "hooked," and when you leave, leave it behind. I'll make the few phone calls to say high after I leave, but it dwindles and next time I go back, everything starts new again.

"It's good to be king..."

-Jettsetter

Looking forward to seeing you ISGers in about a month. Other than the Starbucks cropping up, any other new news on the CP front??

P.S. I must add that going to CP for non speakers will undoubtedly have a completely different experience than those who can communicate. As long as you have someone in your party who can communicate, I think you'll generally have a pretty good time. But going without communicating will ultimately get you poorer service IMHO. I have many friends who've tried and while they still got laid but had a completely different experience going with those who spoke chinese.

what do you guys think?

Old Mean Dog

08-28-07, 04:39

Macomatic

08-28-07, 05:08

Jim Traveller

08-28-07, 05:45

Hey, first time going to china. heading out there on sept 26 to oct 3. landing in HKIA and taking taxi to Gongzhau train station and heading to Changping. My question is this the best route for a newbie like me. Don't speak mandarin if my life depended on it. My friend suggested a private car. what is your input on this?

Does anyone have info on a place to stay? My friend's uncle said he was going to book us a hotel there but we are not relying too much on that. We need a backup plan. any help on booking hotel in Changping, number or website (found the miraton website but does not show pricing, anyone have a guest on that?)

If anyone in the area during this time, please pm us. We would greatly appreciate any help, thanks.Take the Eternal East mini-van at the HKIA - you can sign up at the entrance to arrival hall. It will take you directly to Hui Hua hotel in CP （汇华酒店，常平） which is next door to Miraton. It would be easier than figuring hout

You don't really need reservations unless you arrive in a weekend. Hui Hua and Miraton has similar room rates - a standard room will run about rmb 350 (+ - 20RMB) during week day (expect to pay 10% more for Friday and Saturday).

You are coming into China during a 7-day holiday known as the National Day Golden Week. Expect crowded transportation / airports/trains. It is not necessarily the worst time to visit CP though, as many would-be mongers would be spending the holiday with their families.

Dan Hawaii

08-28-07, 07:13

Hey, first time going to china. heading out there on sept 26 to oct 3. landing in HKIA and taking taxi to Gongzhau train station and heading to Changping. My question is this the best route for a newbie like me. Don't speak mandarin if my life depended on it. My friend suggested a private car. what is your input on this?

Does anyone have info on a place to stay? My friend's uncle said he was going to book us a hotel there but we are not relying too much on that. We need a backup plan. any help on booking hotel in Changping, number or website (found the miraton website but does not show pricing, anyone have a guest on that?)

If anyone in the area during this time, please pm us. We would greatly appreciate any help, thanks.
Hi M,
you might get "RTFF" flamed for asking those questions, but I want to help you because I will be there from Sept 18 till Oct 8. So you can stay at the Miraton, it is a great place, since you do not speak mandarin, many of the people there do. The business center is a great service also, they can help you answer some questions. You can also ask the Hotel driver to take you to places, which is free. The hotel per night costs around 340rmb, which adds up to $43 USD. This hotel is a nice 4 star, and includes free breakfast buffet. Not to mention the sauna is first class service by the girls. Miraton has a good ethernet connection if you have a laptop, or you can get the business room for 50rmb more which includes a computer. here is the website:
http://www.miratonhotel.com/english/main-e.htm

As for the HKIA arrival, are you going straight to CP? Or you want to go to Guangzhou? If CP, then take the bus services offered at the airport. Just ask someone where the E & E bus service is, they take you straight to CP. Earlier this month, there was a big discussion about transport to and from HKIA and CP. Check out the forum. Give me a PM when you arrive to CP, maybe we can join forces.

You need to PM Crazier or Ace Gallant, they can get you the corporate rate at the Miraton.

Superforce99

08-28-07, 08:32

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=622851&postcount=801

I was looking through the Philippines threads for an upcoming trip and I
found this articulate, well-written post about why so many Japanese and
Koreans tend to overpay and/or lavish tips. Even though it's about the
Phils, it would definately apply to many of the Jap/Korean/foreigners mongering
in China, too.

Since I notice more of the "don't overpay!" comments in the DG thread than
anywhere else, it seemed like it would be something to temper some of the
ill-will here...

J

Bill Lee

08-28-07, 13:07

PMing would be hard since your status doesn't allow you to receive PMs and you probably can't send out PMs. Are you even familiar with the board's user policy?

I'm confused as to what you mean by going to Gongzhau (correct spelling would be Guangzhou "GZ") train station. If taken literally, you're headed into the train station in Guangzhou City in China and then double back to CP? Unless you meant, you're headed to the connecting trains in HK to go into China? Right?

There are connecting trains and buses to GZ city from the airport but taking a taxi to GZ would probably be improbable unless you're referring to a private car service.

If you're taking the train into CP, you're arrive at the train station in CP and have to take a local cab to the hotel and will probably cost you 15RMB (about $2.00 US) unless you get ripped off. And if you arrive on a heavy rainy day, expect to pay double.

The best way for a newbie to arrive in CP is to take either a 7 passenger van service or bus into CP. Buses and Vans are stops directly in front of the Miraton hotels and many of the nearby hotels like the Hui Mei and Lucky. As Dan had posted, read the past posts on transportation on this thread.

Regarding hotels, if there are no holidays and you're arrive on a Sunday to Thursday, you can pretty much be guaranteed to be able get a room. Otherwise book ahead.

Good luck and have fun.
Bill

Hey, first time going to china. heading out there on sept 26 to oct 3. landing in HKIA and taking taxi to Gongzhau train station and heading to Changping. My question is this the best route for a newbie like me. Don't speak mandarin if my life depended on it. My friend suggested a private car. what is your input on this?

Does anyone have info on a place to stay? My friend's uncle said he was going to book us a hotel there but we are not relying too much on that. We need a backup plan. any help on booking hotel in Changping, number or website (found the miraton website but does not show pricing, anyone have a guest on that?)

If anyone in the area during this time, please pm us. We would greatly appreciate any help, thanks.

Jellybelly

08-28-07, 13:21

hi guys,

i've read through over 200 pages of this forum. i hope to get up to date by the end of this week. it's funny to get to know everyone inadvertently via my reading.

as per my first post, i am intending to travel to dg approximately 20 november through to the 27 november. i am an abc (australian not american) who shall be in the company of a hk born but australian bred chinese and a scottish born uk citizen, australian permanent resident who drinks like a thirsty horse on speed. me no speak chinese...~high fives bill~

the three of us obviously looking for a great week of mongering and will more than welcome anyone to join us for some fun. will appreciate anyone interested to pm me to hook up. offering cubans to first 5 responses, only condition is that you promise to not smoke em like clinton.

jb

Old Mean Dog

08-28-07, 16:04

Crazier

08-28-07, 17:48

You need to PM Crazier or Ace Gallant, they can get you the corporate rate at the Miraton.

I like to advise that the fucking arsehole of a Rooms Division Director does (Mr Fu) at the Miraton does nor respect proper corporate reservations on Friday and Saturdays in wanting to ring up his rooms revenue on those days.

This because on those days, there is a huge overflow of mongers from HK etc and he looks at cancelling out Friday late arrivees (despite firm reservations) and replacing these confirmed reservations with walk ins at higher check in rates at 6pm.

My solution?

Send the business elsewhere !

Fuck them if they allow a stupid arsehole to screw long distance people flying in on late Friday / Saturday evenings all because of short term higher rates by non regulars who have no proper reservations!

It cost me long distance time and money just to make sure a solid repeat business monger got his room this last Friday evening! All after having been assured that all was well prior to arrival date.

Let me know if you want to book into the Hui Hua next to the Miraton! by PM with full details of yourselves!

Bill Lee

08-28-07, 19:43

Send the business elsewhere !

As DH would say, It's time for a "boycock."

(I love saying that. - hehehehehe)
Bill

Dan Hawaii

08-28-07, 21:33

As DH would say, It's time for a "boycock."

(I love saying that. - hehehehehe)
Bill
It's never time for a "boycock", not ever, unless you really want one. I wouldn't mind a boycott on whoever wants a boycock. :)

Bill Lee

08-28-07, 21:42

It's never time for a "boycock", not ever, unless you really want one. I wouldn't mind a boycott on whoever wants a boycock. :)

You're not DH.

DH does want a "boycock." You never knew that?

Bill

Fast Eddie 48

08-28-07, 23:44

I like to advise that the fucking arsehole of a Rooms Division Director does (Mr Fu) at the Miraton does nor respect proper corporate reservations on Friday and Saturdays in wanting to ring up his rooms revenue on those days.

This because on those days, there is a huge overflow of mongers from HK etc and he looks at cancelling out Friday late arrivees (despite firm reservations) and replacing these confirmed reservations with walk ins at higher check in rates at 6pm.

My solution?

Send the business elsewhere !

Fuck them if they allow a stupid arsehole to screw long distance people flying in on late Friday / Saturday evenings all because of short term higher rates by non regulars who have no proper reservations!

It cost me long distance time and money just to make sure a solid repeat business monger got his room this last Friday evening! All after having been assured that all was well prior to arrival date.

Let me know if you want to book into the Hui Hua next to the Miraton! by PM with full details of yourselves!To crazier,

Most hotel will only hold your room until 6.pm on friday and saturday night they are book with all the HK weekender unless you hold with a credit card and let them know you are coming in late , it is just business you can just go to another hotel there are many hotel room in town or you can go to a hotel sauna get a FS massage and stay over night and look for another hotel in the morning is no big deal .

Fast eddie 48

Macomatic

08-29-07, 00:42

Take the Eternal East mini-van at the HKIA - you can sign up at the entrance to arrival hall. It will take you directly to Hui Hua hotel in CP （汇华酒店，常平） which is next door to Miraton. It would be easier than figuring hout

You don't really need reservations unless you arrive in a weekend. Hui Hua and Miraton has similar room rates - a standard room will run about rmb 350 (+ - 20RMB) during week day (expect to pay 10% more for Friday and Saturday).

You are coming into China during a 7-day holiday known as the National Day Golden Week. Expect crowded transportation / airports/trains. It is not necessarily the worst time to visit CP though, as many would-be mongers would be spending the holiday with their families.Thanks a lot for the info.

Macomatic

08-29-07, 00:49

Hi M,

you might get "RTFF" flamed for asking those questions, but I want to help you because I will be there from Sept 18 till Oct 8. So you can stay at the Miraton, it is a great place, since you do not speak mandarin, many of the people there do. The business center is a great service also, they can help you answer some questions. You can also ask the Hotel driver to take you to places, which is free. The hotel per night costs around 340rmb, which adds up to $43 USD. This hotel is a nice 4 star, and includes free breakfast buffet. Not to mention the sauna is first class service by the girls. Miraton has a good ethernet connection if you have a laptop, or you can get the business room for 50rmb more which includes a computer. here is the website:
http://www.miratonhotel.com/english/main-e.htm

As for the HKIA arrival, are you going straight to CP? Or you want to go to Guangzhou? If CP, then take the bus services offered at the airport. Just ask someone where the E & E bus service is, they take you straight to CP. Earlier this month, there was a big discussion about transport to and from HKIA and CP. Check out the forum. Give me a PM when you arrive to CP, maybe we can join forces.

You need to PM Crazier or Ace Gallant, they can get you the corporate rate at the Miraton.Thanks for the info. I found the website and the pics look nice inside and out. So I was just wondering what the price was. I didn't know about RTFF. I don't even know what that stands for. I also did read the discussions on transportation. But not from this site. I read that at sammy. So, I'll take a look at what was written here. I'm pretty much going straight to CP unless there is something in Guangzhou I shouldn't miss? I'll PM crazier or ace about the corporate rate.

Macomatic

08-29-07, 00:58

PMing would be hard since your status doesn't allow you to receive PMs and you probably can't send out PMs. Are you even familiar with the board's user policy?

I'm confused as to what you mean by going to Gongzhau (correct spelling would be Guangzhou "GZ") train station. If taken literally, you're headed into the train station in Guangzhou City in China and then double back to CP? Unless you meant, you're headed to the connecting trains in HK to go into China? Right?

There are connecting trains and buses to GZ city from the airport but taking a taxi to GZ would probably be improbable unless you're referring to a private car service.

If you're taking the train into CP, you're arrive at the train station in CP and have to take a local cab to the hotel and will probably cost you 15RMB (about $2.00 US) unless you get ripped off. And if you arrive on a heavy rainy day, expect to pay double.

The best way for a newbie to arrive in CP is to take either a 7 passenger van service or bus into CP. Buses and Vans are stops directly in front of the Miraton hotels and many of the nearby hotels like the Hui Mei and Lucky. As Dan had posted, read the past posts on transportation on this thread.

Regarding hotels, if there are no holidays and you're arrive on a Sunday to Thursday, you can pretty much be guaranteed to be able get a room. Otherwise book ahead.

Good luck and have fun.

BillNo didn't even scan the user policy. So, I didn't know about the PMing thing. I just thought once I registered I can start PMing and posting. If I offended people here. Sorry. I'll read the user policy and obey the rules.

Yeah, I meant guangzhou station. I'm not too familiar with transportation as stated before. So, I'll read the past post about that, thanks for clearing things up.

Macomatic

08-29-07, 01:05

It never ceases to amaze me how some people just don't have a clue or can't read past the first page. Dude, are you coming for business or pleasure and wtf would you be so disorganized about going to a place that you know nothing about and can't even speak one word of the local language?

Maybe is best if you stay in Guangzhou and/or Shenzhen to get your feet wet first. I figure you will be one of those guys who comes here with deep pockets and a hard-on, not giving a shit about how things work here or have a plan in place.

Do more homework.

-CPEPleasure, and yeah it's pretty disorganized. I actually don't have deep pockets but do have a hard-on. I'm just trying to read and trying to see how it's actually done by the experienced ones. Thanks for your concern.

Jellybelly

08-29-07, 03:12

Hi Mac,

Like you, I just joined this forum recently. I assure you if you take the time to read the past post, you will find everything you need to know bout this divine location in SE Heaven.

I have treat the 300ish pages of posts like a new book and I can tell you its much much more enjoyable to read than your farking lonely planet. Its filled with members with great character and more than a few times I had to refrain from laughing out loud in my office from some of the friendly banter that goes on. I feel like I already know some of the people here and through their reports am definitely looking forward to my return trip to DG with full vigour. Or is that viagra? Damn spell check.

Although a newbie to the board, welcome and enjoy the resource, but PLEASE post a Field Report on your experience.

JB

Crazier

08-29-07, 04:59

To crazier,

Most hotel will only hold your room until 6.pm on friday and saturday night they are book with all the HK weekender unless you hold with a credit card and let them know you are coming in late , it is just business you can just go to another hotel there are many hotel room in town or you can go to a hotel sauna get a FS massage and stay over night and look for another hotel in the morning is no big deal .

Fast eddie 48

FE.,

I know what you are saying and booked enough with them to realize it was a late arrival / credit card required etc, esp since it was Friday evening.

Unfortunately, my regular contact in the hotel resigned and went away and I relied on another person in sales department who assured me that since we were old clients and used them often enough, the credit card and late arrival was not a problem.

However, she was overruled by the relatively new Dir of Rooms Mr Fu who overruled what was in the computer and harassed the front desk to take over the room that we had reserved.

And, my sales lady was off duty! She did get an earful from me on the phone after I spoke to Mr Fu (and Mr Fu too) after which the problem was resolved!

Given this bad experience, I now share this experience so that others will not. I am certainly moving our bookings to their sister property Hui Hua through XGX Travel in the Lucky Hotel as they are onsite and have a better influence overall.

Crazier

08-29-07, 05:00

Feeling like a morning round of golf tomorrow the 30th of Aug. Anyone feels like playing, PM me please. Playing alone is no better than masturbation!

Bill Lee

08-29-07, 06:40

So how do we get ahold of the XGX Travel?

Is that the small office right of the Lucky's main entrance where there's three pretty girls?

Do you know the prices for the Hui Hua through them?

Bill

FE.,

Given this bad experience, I now share this experience so that others will not. I am certainly moving our bookings to their sister property Hui Hua through XGX Travel in the Lucky Hotel as they are onsite and have a better influence overall.

Weelock

08-29-07, 07:51

Thanks for the info. I found the website and the pics look nice inside and out. So I was just wondering what the price was. I didn't know about RTFF. I don't even know what that stands for.
-cut-

Since you didn’t know about Read The Forum First, I want to suggest using the search function for topics also?

Pleasure, and yeah it's pretty disorganized. I actually don't have deep pockets but do have a hard-on. I'm just trying to read and trying to see how it's actually done by the experienced ones. Thanks for your concern.

The Miraton, is a reasonable price for a 4 star hotel. The price is about 325-360RMB a night. Since you don’t have DEEP POCKETS, it might not be the best choice for you. For around 150-225 RMB a night, I would suggest the Red Lion Hotel, Lucky Hotel or Hua Yu Hotel. All three are around the same area, 5 mins walking distance from each other.

Anything below, like 100 RMB hotels, I strongly suggest NOT to stay at these types of hotels. These type of hotels are generally somewhat dirty, not safe and old.

For sure the higher end hotels like the Hui Hua, Miraton and Walter, the girls will love these hotels compared to the lower end hotels. I remember reading one place had HD plasma TV in all their rooms.

Syncmaster7

08-29-07, 10:27

Santa

08-29-07, 15:14

the girls will love these hotels compared to the lower end hotels. .

I really don't think these girls could give damn about our hotel rooms. They just want to grab the money and run back to the place they came from.

And why should we give damn whether she admires the room or not? She's a hooker, not a girlfriend.

For anybody on a budget I recommend the HuaYu or the Lucky.

The HuaYu is fine. No need to pay more than 130rmb. 150rmb on saturdays. The rooms are clean, come with safe and internet.

The rooms at Lucky go for 180 to 200 rmb. Great place to stay, but they spray the rooms with pesticides every monday because of the big and popular restaurant on the 2nd floor.

Old Mean Dog

08-29-07, 15:42

The rooms at Lucky go for 180 to 200 rmb. Great place to stay, but they spray the rooms with pesticides every monday because of the big and popular restaurant on the 2nd floor.

I get the Honeymoon Room for 166, with a corporate rate at the Lucky. I love the Lucky, only hotel (4 or 5 star) that doesn't object to doing lineups in the lobby. I agree with you, who gives a damn about trying to impress a prostitute with a hotel room?

I thought the cockroaches were an item on the minibar?? Ask for a room on the 5th floor, these are bigger and have probably, the biggest and softest beds in South China that I have slept on.

If you want to be in the heart of the action, just stay at the Yalan Hotel. Csun sent me there my first trip to CP many moons ago and I fucked myself silly with 8 xiaojies over the 3 nights I was there....

-CPE

Macomatic

08-30-07, 03:18

Jellybelly,

No doubt I will try hard to do some research before I head out. I have read bits and pieces of the post but this time I'm going to start from the begining. I was trying to get the quick answers by just skiming through sections. I will report my trip info, thanks

Weelock,

I will consider your recommendation on the other three hotels. Right now we are just waiting on my friends uncle on confirmation on hotel in CP. If that doesn't pan out I will look towards your idea. 150-225rmb is not that bad of a price. I will definitely stay away from the 100rmb hotels, thanks.

Santa,

I kind of agree with you on that hotel thing. I'm pretty sure it's all $$$ for them. So, if my friend is really tight on the budget then we will head for hua yu, thanks.

Old Mean Dog

08-30-07, 06:35

Hi,

I'm newbie on this thread.

And I have read almost all reports in this thread for about 1 week.

I truly respect all the members who has given us the great information.

I'm planning to visit CP next month, and I decided to get Sauna service at Huimei Hotel, and Miraton. The thing is, now I'm planning to check in to Huimei Hotel, and go to Miraton Sauna and get some in-house service in the afternoon. And then go to Huimei Sauna at night and take a nice girl to my hotel room for LT.

This is just one day visit this time, so I wanna have better services.
IF there's anyone who has experiences in both Saunas, please tell me which one's facility is better than the other.

If Huimei Sauna's facility is better than Miraton's, I will check in to Miraton Hotel, and take Huimei Sauna first.

PS. BBBJ, I think I know what that means, but I cannot find out what those 2 'B's stand for. Please teach me. Plus, is there any report that some member describe all the shorten words such as BBBJ, DATY, etc?

Click on the abbreviations link at the top of the page, all is explained there.

Just try the sauna at the hotel you are staying at, since you are only in town one night.

-CPE

DRRonin

08-30-07, 12:11

following up on my previous post, here is a more detailed description of what we found in chang ping. again, neither my friend nor i speak any chinese, had ever been to china nor did we meet up with experienced people from this board. i think for many of us it can still be a bit intimidating to go on their own to china for this type of activity and we certainly weren’t sure what we would find or how easy it would be to partake in all the fun that seemed available. as soon as we got on the van in hong kong we rarely came across anyone for the next seven days who spoke much english, but we did find many helpful people and at a high level we had no problems at all though often the inability to communicate with specific individuals proved frustrating. but we basically found out that anyone can go to chang ping and have some fun – so in a sense this is chang ping for dummies.

we arrived at the hkia around 7pm and whizzed like the wind through immigration and customs. as soon as we came out i changed 100 dollars into yuan as i wasn’t sure whether i would be able to convert any in cp at this late hour. but don’t change too much as you get raped by the conversion first into hkd and then into rmb. still i figured 670 rmb would do me fine for the first night. sky limo was practically right next to the money exchange place and we booked a private car to cp for hk$ 700 ($93) and told them to take us to the miraton hotel. we were led by an enthusiastic relay team of sky limo girls to the van on another level and were surprised to find that we were sharing it with six other people – so much for the private car we thought but were too tired to argue – we just wanted to get to cp before all the girls were gone. the van stops on the hk side of the border and the driver gives the official everyone’s passport to be stamped and you are soon on your way again. next stop china. at this border stop it is total chaos or at least seemingly so. hoards of people streaming through a doorway but we notice that everyone is first filling out a form that turns out to be a health declaration to check whether you have been in recent contact with chickens or other poultry – only on my plate so i check “no” as the form is english friendly. we then proceed to get on the wrong line at immigration control until we are cheerfully told that the line on the far right is for foreigners. we soon note that people in this line have an arrival card that needs to be filled out – we find a machine that dispenses them and go forward (it turns out that sky limo gave us one of these but in the rush we had neglected to notice). after getting our stamp – by the way i should mention that as an american you need a visa to get in and so need to obtain one of these before going to china and it cost us a whopping $150 to do so – we go outside to find our transportation and instead witness a frantic scene of people milling around and loads of buses and vans everywhere. we had no idea how to find our van, but again the friendly people at sky found us thanks to our stick on tag and led us to a van – a private one! this was the final leg of the trip to cp.

it is about a forty minute journey to cp down a bumpy highway that eventually calms down and we take the exit to cp. upon entering the city limits at night our first reaction was that people certainly were not coming here for the sights as we drove down a long dusty dug up street lined with small open air shops in which packs of men sat watching the television. it reminded my friend of angeles city, me of the back streets of phnom penh – but then suddenly we feel like we are in atlantic city as we turn a corner and are in a vast sea of high rise hotels, neon lights and loads of people walking about – it is a thing of beauty and the first view of the mystical golden arches told us that we were right where we wanted to be. we had not reserved a room, but found this to be no problem on a sunday night – the rate of rmb 368 ($50) was given and accepted (along with a mysteriously necessary deposit of 1,600 rmb for only 2 nights). but we barely registered this as our heads were doing a constant swivel as we surveyed the comings and goings of many girls down the elevators, escalators and through the lobby – many of them dressed very shapely and looking knockout gorgeous. it almost seemed as if this show was set up for us – they push a button and the girls make an appearance – but we discover over the next few days that the hotel is a constant buzz of women either going to or coming back from their appointments or as the companions of some usually older gentleman. i have no complaints with the miraton – lovely rooms, great service, a beautiful pool, exercise facilities, restaurants and though we never indulged a ktv and a sauna. you would never have to leave if you were so inclined. around the corner is a 7-11 of which many dot the city landscape and across the street in a mall complex is a mcdonalds with welcoming arms. to orient ourselves we make our way there and look at the map provided on isg. there are cuties everywhere munching on big macs and fries and i can only hope that mcd’s doesn’t fatten them up over time like they have in america.

we are mildly confused as to what direction to set out in but i finally convince my friend that if we walk down the street that goes behind the miraton we should come across something of interest. we do. in only a little more than a block we encounter our first mamasan, a stodgy middle aged woman, whose eyes light up upon seeing us coming like fruit to be plucked. we soon heard the phrase that was to be repeated many many times by many many mamasans – one of two english phrases that all of them have down cold “i have beautiful girls for you”. there is one very young cute mamasan in that neighborhood who repeats it like a mantra – and one evening followed us up the street, down the street and into the hotel simply repeating “beautiful girls”. she once knocked on my door at the hotel – “beautiful girls” and shoved forward two girls into my room who hadn’t seen beauty in a very long time.

the mamasans or perhaps these are what are termed the “runners” set themselves up at strategic points along this road waiting for their prey to come along – men on their own or in groups – and pounce on them with a string of promises and a rough tug of the shoulder. the mamasans have received much ink on this forum for good reason – they are a necessary evil. i can easily say that nearly all the people i dealt with in china were exceedingly polite and friendly – a lovely group of people – and then there are the mamasans, perhaps the most annoying people on this good earth. if ever i read that the chinese government had lined the mamasans against the wall and shot them i don’t think i would shed many tears – yet at the same time you do need them to find the bbs’s. they believe strongly in the hard sell – you won’t get any subtlety here – they get you into their little bbs, lock the door behind you, force you to sit down and begin their mile a minute spiel. they pick certain girls out from the line-up and thrust them at you – why these girls you wonder – are they hard up – does the mamasan think she knows your kind of girl – but in almost every case the girls the mamasan pushed on me held no interest for me – it was usually the quiet cute ones just sitting there glancing my way. but before you get to her you have to go through a cascade of other girls who all have “pink nipples” (the second phrase that they all know) according to the mamasan and more often than not they display the wares as proof. not being familiar with chinese culture i suppose the value of the “pink nipple” is lost on me. is it such a rarity, a mark of beauty, of class i wonder and if so why do so many of these girls have them? i actually prefer brown nipples and once tried to make this known but was ignored in another flurry of “pink nipples”. if you visit a number of bbs’s in a given time you can truly be all “pink nippled” out by the end. as you reject one after another of the mamasan’s suggestions she only gets more desperate and agitated as she begins bringing over two at a time and yelling at you for being such a wimp – take two girls or your penis will shrivel up and die she seems to be saying – and when you finally get up to leave without a girl on your arm she looks at you like you are a lower species than a snail and has a hurt expression as if you are taking the food out of her starving children’s mouths. on the other hand if you take one of her girls she does a little victory dance and acts like the best friend you never knew you had and you nearly expect to be introduced to her family. the first few times you go through this process it is kind of fun and culturally fascinating – by the tenth time you want to scream. but you have to restrain yourself and politely smile and decline and keep telling yourself that at the end of this will be a girl who will be waiting for you. my friend was allowing these aggressive tactics to visibly annoy him and it was spoiling his mood, but i would remind him why we were here and that staying on the good side of the mamasans was something we wanted to nurture over time. i guess this tough love sales strategy must work with the chinese who are 99.99% of their clientele, but one of these days the smart ones will learn that the soft sell works best with us. just bring us in, let us sit there and check out the girls and see if there is something that piques our interest. hell, sell us a cold beer while we sit down. then show us their pink nipples.

back to our first mamasan. she led us off to the left down a small alley across a few streets and down another alley until we reached a small uninteresting weathered building that has steps leading up to the second floor. a door was opened and inside there were only about six girls sitting lazily about at the end of perhaps a long day. all the bbs’s seem to have been designed by the same fellow. a minimalist. they are nearly all square rooms of concrete furnished with old couches facing each other – the girls sitting on one side, the customers on the other. occasionally a few had posters hanging a bit askew on the walls and often sunflower shells littered the floor where the girls had spit them out. usually only a lonely fan blew hot air on you. a small tv sat in a corner turned on to some soap opera where the lovely young girl finds love and happiness. not so much in this room. here love never makes an appearance and happiness only comes in the form of a 100 yuan note. as soon as you sit, the hard sell commences and the girls find all this quite amusing to see the perplexed looks on our faces. the mamasan continues her tirade in cantonese though it must be apparent to her by now that we don’t understand a word she is saying – though the universal sign language for big breasts and blow job are not lost on us. i am a big sucker for a good blow job – i admit to my weakness – and the mamasans seemed to sense it somehow as i was constantly promised that a certain girl would give me one that would change my world. sadly in only a few instances did this prove true.

none of the girls quite appealed to us and we had already decided beforehand that we wanted a tour tonight before making any decisions. so the mamasan takes us to another bbs and then to another – which surprised me as i had assumed they were all aligned with a specific bbs. eventually though she runs out of bbs’s and passes us on to another mamasan who proceeds to take us to a few in an alley behind the hui mei hotel. the number of girls in each bbs ranged from around six to nearly fifteen – almost all had 2-3 cuties that i would happily have settled down and married but we had work to do and so moved on. in the seven days we were there we calculated that we looked into 10 bbs’s in this area – some days the girls would be entirely different in the same bbs – some days there would be a few, on others over fifteen – so don’t assume that because a bbs had nothing to offer the previous day that it doesn’t today. reaching a point of exhaustion in the heat and humidity of the summer night, we were on the verge of deciding what to do when one mamasan makes a call and tells us to wait right here. we did and soon a van pulls up with four girls inside – all decent and one who is a stunner but she clearly wants absolutely nothing to do with us – whether because of our less than pristine looks or because of our pasty skin color i can’t say but the look on her face was like a bag of razors and we thought it wise to decline. all was not lost though as yet another van soon makes a magical appearance – this time with eight girls inside – some of the best we had seen all night and some of the youngest – and extremely enthusiastic about going with us. it must have been a slow night. the mamasan tried to talk us into taking all eight but we settled for two each – my friend had the cutest girl i saw in my stay in cp – and i had one who reminded me of winnie in the tv show “the wonder years”. i always had a thing for winnie.

people talk about the walk of shame through a hotel lobby but that doesn’t compare with the four block walk down this street with two girls insistent on holding our hands and locals pointing and either smiling or giving a thumbs up. i felt about two feet tall by the time we reached the hotel and wished i could be invisible. i won’t go into much detail about what followed – it wasn’t stellar – neither girl would initially kiss and when i requested some oral gratification the other girl went into the bathroom and came out to introduce me to the water blow job – as pointless a sexual technique as sucking on toes. winnie won’t go there but relents eventually to get into some nice kissing. we soon finish up and they happily take payment and depart. not an inspired start to cp but we learn a bit that night. a few words on these van girls – basically stay away. between my friend and me we went with six of them and only one – the real cutie - even did the basics. a few nights later i was to take a different two and it was my worst sexual experience in a long time. both girls looked great, but i began to have my suspicions that things would quickly go south when we got into my room and they first turned on the tv, ate my apples and spit them on the floor and came up to me and blew smoke directly in my face. i should have booted them out then, but thought once we started they would calm down. yes and no. they refused to do any of the basics and would not even let me touch their breasts. at this point i did ask them to leave and without payment – so they talk between themselves and decide that one of the girls will give me some oral – sigh - with water of course. one suck – the other tests my hardness – no – give him another one – another test and so on till she thought i was ready to go – a short bit of intercourse with her and the other one climbs on my back to help me drive and nearly gives me a hernia. at that point i showed them the door and gave them their money and swore never to do another van girl as they happily walked down the hallway yelling out to their friend in the next room with my friend – probably “what’s taking you so long?”

the bbs’s in this area begin early in the afternoon – the best quality we found was one in which you have to go through a beauty salon to get to – and go late into the night. still we wanted to explore the bbs’s around the yalan hotel – so the next day armed with only that word we tell a taxi to take us there for 20 rmb ($2.66). first though we had to load up on money and soon found that going into a bank to exchange dollars for yuan was not the way to go – it took nearly an hour and created a near panic – one $100 bill was rejected for the most minute of tears. atms are the way to go – and the one to the left of the mcdonalds in the china construction bank is highly recommended. as soon as we are dropped off in yalan we are surrounded by mamasans all extolling the virtues of their girls. we first go into the one above the restaurant and are faced with nearly 25 girls – some really nice ones (oddly the next time we return all the knockouts are gone) and then in the same exploratory mode as the previous day we go to a few more bbs’s before we are waylaid by the infamous jojo who takes us to her place through a small grocery store and up the stairs. i guess jojo takes some flack on this board but i became a big fan of hers over the next few days – her passable english is a nice plus but she is just so cute in her braces and so enthusiastic and never harassed me like the other mamasans did. she also had about eight girls that i immediately wanted to do. jojo looked into my eyes and told me that the girl for me was shu-shu – she nailed it.

shu-shu was everything i was looking for in china – sweet, big eyes, cute as a button and could suck in this wonderfully soft leisurely manner that made me dream of clouds and rolling hills. the next day i went back for more shu-shu and also brought out her friend dan-dan, a creamy white sweetie with beautiful firm breasts that made me glad to be alive. just taking the shower with them was worth the money; what followed was just a bonus. dan-dan is new to the business and shu-shu was giving her some pointers but poor dan-dan has a lot to learn about oral gratification. she tried her best but when she began gagging before even getting the object in her mouth i knew this wasn’t going to happen and i didn’t really care – she was a delight giggling madly and kissing deeply while shu-shu took care of the rest. i took them the next day as well – i could kiss dan-dan and her breasts for hours and looking into shu-shu’s soulful eyes made me go soft inside. on the second occasion in which i took the pair shu-shu was running late and i hung out in the bbs for about thirty minutes yakking with jojo who complained about not having a boyfriend and other matters of the heart. i took her hand and said that it told me that she had nothing to worry about and that someday a wealthy man would marry her. little did i realize that i would soon have a line of girls waiting for me to tell their fortunes – all good ones with love waiting for them. it left them very happy – we all need to dream.

still the next day i thought a change was in order and recalled jojo telling me that she had two twins simply a phone call away. i am not sure why but i have a bit of a fetish for sisters and have gone with perhaps fifteen of them over the past few years from the dominican republic to thailand – in the dr i went with all five sisters in one family though sadly not at the same time – but i had never gone with twins. and still likely haven’t. i ordered them unseen to my hotel from jojo. well for twins they don’t really look that much alike and one seemed a good 2-3 years older than the other – but they could certainly be sisters and what they don’t share in looks they certainly did in oral skills. no silly glasses of water – just deep warm oral embraces. it was one of the best i have ever had with both of them sometimes taking turns, at other times working me over simultaneously. the sky was pouring down rain and lightening was off in the distance and nothing could have felt better than to be on cool sheets being serviced by these two sisters. they were perhaps not the best looking girls i went with in cp – but good lord pass the ammunition.

there were a few other girls who passed through my portal but none really worth mentioning – as i said in my previous report it is total pot luck. one girl promised me the world and gave me the short end of the stick, another was a total cutie with big eyes that i came across in a place run by a papasan – she said not a peep and looked like she wanted to hide in the corner till we got in bed and then after a few minutes she pointed to my penis and her mouth and after nodding my assent she took control and didn’t lift her head for fifteen minutes. lovely lan-lan and her curly hair.

oh, i should mention that one day we unexpectedly ended up at swan lake. we kept being shown the same 7-8 bbs’s in the yalan area – one though with three rooms stocked with girls – but i thought i had read that there were many more than this and so we wandered up the main street and came across the swan lake ktv in a few minutes. we were shown in and taken to a floor with perhaps seven small rooms crammed with girls and smoke – but in truth they seemed older and less attractive than in the other bbs places we had visited and so we moved on.

so that’s all i have to say. we could have been much more adventurous and gone into the saunas and ktv’s but found the bbs’s very easy to navigate and many of the girls quite lovely. maybe next time. and certainly there will be a next time. the trip back to hk was a breeze and is highly recommended for all - just get the train. you go through passport control in cp and the trip is directly into hk where you go through immigration again - all in less than an hour and for about $25 i think. they even serve chicken legs to the customers.

a few questions for my next trip. any restaurant recommendations? we tried a few and didn’t think much of them. i recalled that the happy together restaurant had been mentioned here and it wasn’t bad but for some odd reason they only got about 50% of our orders correct. it seemed easy enough – point at the menu that has both chinese and english and then get something entirely different. it became quite comical as we stubbornly kept going back to see if we could get one full order correct. it never happened. the best was when we ordered spring rolls and got french fries, but the fries were good and we assume that it was a bad translation. whenever we tried to rectify the mistake it just led to looks of confusion as they acted out in mime that we ordered three things and we had three dishes and we tried to act out that yes we had three orders but only one of them was what we actually ordered. after a while we just ate what they brought – sort of pot luck like the girls!

also, i am curious about the whole bbs set-up. do the girls sign a contract, are they free agents, do scouts find them around china and persuade or pay them to come to cp or is it just word of mouth that brings these girls to cp to make some money. these are all owned by triads i read in another post – are they the same ones who run the brothels in hk or are these mainland triads. are the girls treated all right by them? i would hate to think of anyone mistreating dan-dan!

anyway, again thanks to all the informative posts by the folks who made their way to cp long before i did and were kind enough to pass on their wisdom.

Playboy2000

08-30-07, 13:13

DRRonin,

Thanks for the splendid report. You really had me laughing there with some of your stories! I was practically rolling on the floor.

But you should have tried out the sauna at Mirathon. For something 540 RMB, you have an incredible 2-hour PSE experience, including many awesome BJs. You got to try next time. It is very different experience.

Skirtchaser introduced me to JoJo. She is something else. I will never forget the sight of her seated on that milk crate.

RT

Bill Lee

08-30-07, 16:07

Sky Limo was practically right next to the money exchange place and we booked a private car to CP for HK$ 700 ($93) and told them to take us to the Miraton Hotel. We were led by an enthusiastic relay team of Sky Limo girls to the van on another level and were surprised to find that we were sharing it with six other people – so much for the private car we thought but were too tired to argue – we just wanted to get to CP before all the girls were gone. The van stops on the HK side of the border and the driver gives the official everyone’s passport to be stamped and you are soon on your way again. Next stop China. At this border stop it is total chaos or at least seemingly so. Hoards of people streaming through a doorway but we notice that everyone is first filling out a form that turns out to be a health declaration to check whether you have been in recent contact with chickens or other poultry – only on my plate so I check “No” as the form is English friendly. We then proceed to get on the wrong line at immigration control until we are cheerfully told that the line on the far right is for foreigners. We soon note that people in this line have an arrival card that needs to be filled out – we find a machine that dispenses them and go forward (it turns out that Sky Limo gave us one of these but in the rush we had neglected to notice). After getting our stamp – by the way I should mention that as an American you need a visa to get in and so need to obtain one of these before going to China and it cost us a whopping $150 to do so – we go outside to find our transportation and instead witness a frantic scene of people milling around and loads of buses and vans everywhere. We had no idea how to find our van, but again the friendly people at Sky found us thanks to our stick on tag and led us to a van – a private one! This was the final leg of the trip to CP.

This is the second time mentioned and the first time confirmed that Skylimo is overcharging for what should be about 250 one way 7 passenger van trip to CP. For the service you got, you would have been just as good with the coach bus. I didn't expect you to be waiting on long lines. The van service I had experienced in the past going from CP to HKIA was not chaotic.

Regarding Jojo, she's a cutie with braces. But it's Sandy (HoMaster as I called her) that has me up in arm with her sitting on your chest tactic.

Well glad you had fun and your report was typical of what anybody would expect. BTW, you didn't post your payments to the mamas and girls. You didn't overpaid? You did overpaid the taxi guy cause typical ride in CP is 15RMB.

Restaurants? There's the famous chicken restaurant two lights down toward the New Century hotel. The chickens are great. Busy as hell during dinner time. When you're ready to come back, I'll send you their business card. There's also the Mitos Cafe located in the Hui Mei Square. They have some good Western dishes and have free wireless Internet service. And down the block from the Mitos is a good goose restaurant and a good Hunan restaurant. Food is great in China but it's better when you travel with a person that knows how to order.

Bill

Bad Boy Billy

08-30-07, 16:33

Bill it was great to meet you in Lido in Beijing recently - I love reading your reports.

Damn shame we could not have hooked up for some serious mongering - I look forward to when our paths cross again.

Old Mean Dog

08-30-07, 16:49

Also, I am curious about the whole BBS set-up. Do the girls sign a contract, are they free agents, do scouts find them around China and persuade or pay them to come to CP or is it just word of mouth that brings these girls to CP to make some money. These are all owned by triads I read in another post – are they the same ones who run the brothels in HK or are these mainland triads. Are the girls treated all right by them? I would hate to think of anyone mistreating Dan-dan!

Anyway, again thanks to all the informative posts by the folks who made their way to CP long before I did and were kind enough to pass on their wisdom.

As stated in another post by myself as well as others to include AG, Santa, OAH, etc. The girls are not under contract, but the prostitution is controlled by the mommies/bosses/triad, so girls cannot freelance openly. They must work for a shop. So, the shop takes a cut for her protection and she can sell her wares. I think AG used the name for the infamous Triad, but essentially it is the local criminal element that controls the areas.

Many girls come here to work in factories and find it is near slave labor and turn to doing tricks, others get here because a friend told them about the fast cash and easy life, while other mommies/bosses pull girls from their hometown with the lure of easy money doing some other work, never indicating it is prostitution. Many of these girls just have a middle school education and come from farms.

Dan-Dan is a good girl, I was the first client to have her here in CP when she arrived (it pays to be dear friends with a mommy or two, refer back to my previous post), she was so tight and inexperienced, but I have seen here coming in and out of hotels so much now, I imagine her skills have improved since then, but her tightness has decreased.

Also, Shu-shu is Chinese for Uncle (and it is Jojo's Uncle that runs that shop)so I doubt he would blow ya! I reconfirmed with Jojo tonight and the girls actual name is Sisi and I will certainly be paying her a visit!

Thanks for a fantastic report and if you are ever in town again, look me up!

-CPE

Manfest

08-30-07, 16:50

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Still we wanted to explore the BBS’s around the Yalan Hotel – so the next day armed with only that word we tell a taxi to take us there for 20 RMB ($2.66).
We first go into the one above the restaurant and are faced with nearly 25 girls – some really nice ones (oddly the next time we return all the knockouts are gone) and then in the same exploratory mode as the previous day we go to a few more BBS’s before we are waylaid by the infamous JoJo who takes us to her place through a small grocery store and up the stairs. I guess JoJo takes some flack on this board but I became a big fan of hers over the next few days – her passable English is a nice plus but she is just so cute in her braces and so enthusiastic and never harassed me like the other mamasans did. She also had about eight girls that I immediately wanted to do. JoJo looked into my eyes and told me that the girl for me was Shu-shu – she nailed it.

Still the next day I thought a change was in order and recalled Jojo telling me that she had two twins simply a phone call away. I am not sure why but I have a bit of a fetish for sisters and have gone with perhaps fifteen of them over the past few years from the Dominican Republic to Thailand – in the DR I went with all five sisters in one family though sadly not at the same time – but I had never gone with twins. And still likely haven’t. I ordered them unseen to my hotel from Jojo. Well for twins they don’t really look that much alike and one seemed a good 2-3 years older than the other – but they could certainly be sisters and what they don’t share in looks they certainly did in oral skills. No silly glasses of water – just deep warm oral embraces. It was one of the best I have ever had with both of them sometimes taking turns, at other times working me over simultaneously. The sky was pouring down rain and lightening was off in the distance and nothing could have felt better than to be on cool sheets being serviced by these two sisters. They were perhaps not the best looking girls I went with in CP – but good lord pass the ammunition.
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DRRonin,

Great report, absolutely entertaining. Others on the board new to CP should take heed on what is possible on their own. I agree that Jojo seems nicer than most of the other mamasans, much cuter, and stocks very nice girls. CPExpat introduced us, he knew her extremely well. He reserved the twins for me; unfortunately, I didn't partake. Sandy was on her best behavior, probably because CPE was there, she was as meek as a mouse.

I think you and Racetrack have the right idea for first trips. You sampled everything you could. Although not my thing, maybe I should check out the saunas and KTVs next time.

In terms of restaurants, we tried the Little Sheep hotpot place, and I sampled the Thai restaurant right next to the Lucky. Both were excellent.

Cheers,
M

Old Mean Dog

08-30-07, 17:32

Downunder96

08-30-07, 17:47

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Also, Shu-shu is Chinese for Uncle (and it is Jojo's Uncle that runs that shop)so I doubt he would blow ya! I reconfirmed with Jojo tonight and the girls actual name is Sisi and I will certainly be paying her a visit!

-CPE
I am rolling on the floor laughing with your humour!!
By the way, Shu Shu 叔叔 means Jojo's father's brother. If it's 舅舅 jiu jiu then it's maternal uncle (mother's brother). Hoping to see you again end of October if you still remember me.
Downunder96

ManonsanBoy

08-30-07, 21:12

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Also, I am curious about the whole BBS set-up. Do the girls sign a contract, are they free agents, do scouts find them around China and persuade or pay them to come to CP or is it just word of mouth that brings these girls to CP to make some money. These are all owned by triads I read in another post – are they the same ones who run the brothels in HK or are these mainland triads. Are the girls treated all right by them? I would hate to think of anyone mistreating Dan-dan!

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The entire scene is run by the triads who have deep collaboration with the local security. Do not mess with the girls. If they decide to come down on her side, you will end up in BIG trouble. They keep the peace and there is not a gret deal of violent crime in CP. The triads see to that but if you transgress, you will not be read your rights and the American Consul is more than a few rivers away. Always be polite. The girls get 50 of the 150 you give them. I almost always give them 50 extra which makes them very happy. Small matter.

Rising Son

08-30-07, 21:39

Manonsan Boy says: The girls get 50 of the 150 you give them.

This is absolutely not my understanding. Anyone else want to weigh in on this?

Also, who gives a girl 150? Fifty to the mama and 100 to the girl, but 150 to the girl?

And finally, I think a 50 rmb tip is a bad idea unless (a) the girl really rocked your world, or (b) for some reason you want to raise the price for the rest of us.

RS

Bill Lee

08-30-07, 23:50

I give 150 to the girls when I call it in without paying the mommy in advance.

I have never given the mama 100 and then the girl 50, it's always the other way around. That's at the Hui Mei alley.

My understanding is that 100 goes to the girls and 50 goes to the mommy

At the Yalan, it's 100 to the mommy and 100 to the girl when you're done.

But 50 rmb tipping? As RS said, only if they rock my world. Otherwise Mano, you're ruining the market. I tip about 15RMB for their return trip and that's overdoing when their motorbike trip is only 5RMB.

Bill

Manonsan Boy says: The girls get 50 of the 150 you give them.

This is absolutely not my understanding. Anyone else want to weigh in on this?

Also, who gives a girl 150? Fifty to the mama and 100 to the girl, but 150 to the girl?

And finally, I think a 50 rmb tip is a bad idea unless (a) the girl really rocked your world, or (b) for some reason you want to raise the price for the rest of us.

RS

DRRonin

08-31-07, 05:02

This is the second time mentioned and the first time confirmed that Skylimo >is overcharging for what should be about 250 one way 7 passenger van trip >to CP. For the service you got, you would have been just as good with the >coach bus. I didn't expect you to be waiting on long lines. The van service I >had experienced in the past going from CP to HKIA was not chaotic.

But we did get a "private" van from the border on - so not sure how much that should have been with 2 of us.

For the prices with the girls I stayed within ISG guidelines and there was never an issue with any girl but one who demanded a fairly large tip - 100 RMB - and just sat on my bed and pouted and gave some story about how the papasan would be mad at her for not bringing enough money home. I just opened the door and pointed until she finally began giggling and left. The van cost was basically because I only had 20's and didn't want to bother with trying to get change.

>Regarding Jojo, she's a cutie with braces. But it's Sandy (HoMaster as I >called her) that has me up in arm with her sitting on your chest tactic.

Ya- the other one - didn't know that was Sandy - was a major ballbuster and I prefered dealing with Jojo and look forward to the time her cousin/sister who seems to be a mamasan in training is ready to move up. She is a real doll and have to admit to having the fleeting thought of going with both of them but I assume that is out of bounds.

>Also, Shu-shu is Chinese for Uncle (and it is Jojo's Uncle that runs that shop)>so I doubt he would blow ya! I reconfirmed with Jojo tonight and the girls >actual name is Sisi and I will certainly be paying her a visit!

And all the time I was murmuring uncle into her ear! I guess I wasn't being as suave as I thought! But she is a total sweetie and she seems to enjoy having another girl along for the ride.

>But you should have tried out the sauna at Mirathon. For something 540 >RMB, you have an incredible 2-hour PSE experience, including many >awesome BJs. You got to try next time. It is very different experience.

I considered it and ran into Simon who works there on the elevator who promised us a discount if we called him 30 minutes before showing up - but I tend to like my sex a bit less predictable than the sauna experience - though admittedly this often leads to unpleasant experiences - but it also sometimes gives you something unexpectedly great and off the books. Still a great bj would have been more than welcome at times!

There was one other odd experience in the BBS's that happened that left me a little perplexed and wondering if I had started a triad war. A mamasan took me to her BBS behind the Hui Mei hotel where some 20 girls were sitting. She pushed a few forward that didn't interest me and I spotted one further down that I beckoned forward. At this point another mamasan in the room comes rushing over - the one who brought me gets angry and takes my 100 RMB and the other one starts screaming at her and at me - I just take my girl and get the hell out as quickly as possible - but was wondering if mamasans were sharing the same space or what?

Thanks for all the restauant recs - will definitely give them a go next time.

SE Asia Joe

08-31-07, 05:35

A few questions for my next trip. Any restaurant recommendations? We tried a few and didn’t think much of them. I recalled that the Happy Together restaurant had been mentioned here and it wasn’t bad but for some odd reason they only got about 50% of our orders correct. It seemed easy enough – point at the menu that has both Chinese and English and then get something entirely different. It became quite comical as we stubbornly kept going back to see if we could get one full order correct. It never happened. The best was when we ordered spring rolls and got French fries, but the fries were good and we assume that it was a bad translation. Whenever we tried to rectify the mistake it just led to looks of confusion as they acted out in mime that we ordered three things and we had three dishes and we tried to act out that yes we had three orders but only one of them was what we actually ordered. After a while we just ate what they brought – sort of pot luck like the girls!

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What a great report! My hat's off! Well written, funny and thorough.
On ordering food - I THINK I know why your order was all messed up. On many occassions, my foreignor friends would also read the English and then point to the Chinese words below it to the waitress. Well, its actually the Chinese words on TOP of the English that is the same dish - and thus the probable reason why you got fries instead of spring rolls as you had read Spring rolls in English but pointed out Fries! and BTW, this "Chinese first line, English second line" is NOT universal - Most restaurants in China do it this way (remember, Chinese is the Main Language in China vs in Chinatowns in the U.S. where English is supposedly the lingua franca) - but not all of them! So you gotta first understand which way the menu is written before you order next time.
SE Asia Joe

Bill Lee

08-31-07, 09:05

But we did get a "private" van from the border on - so not sure how much that should have been with 2 of us.

DRRonin, I took the E&E coach bus from HKIA for about 250HK(?) and after the border crossing, they switch me to a 7 passenger van. Because I was the only one going to CP. Your "private van" from the border could have been a lack of passengers headed to CP.

Sky Limo was practically right next to the money exchange place and we booked a private car to CP for HK$ 700 ($93) and told them to take us to the Miraton Hotel.

Just for clarification, was that 700HK for two people? If it was, 350 each is still high but not overcharging.

Bill

Bill Lee

08-31-07, 11:25

Hi,

I'm newbie on this thread.

And I have read almost all reports in this thread for about 1 week.

I truly respect all the members who has given us the great information.

I'm planning to visit CP next month, and I decided to get Sauna service at Huimei Hotel, and Miraton. The thing is, now I'm planning to check in to Huimei Hotel, and go to Miraton Sauna and get some in-house service in the afternoon. And then go to Huimei Sauna at night and take a nice girl to my hotel room for LT.

This is just one day visit this time, so I wanna have better services.
IF there's anyone who has experiences in both Saunas, please tell me which one's facility is better than the other.

If Huimei Sauna's facility is better than Miraton's, I will check in to Miraton Hotel, and take Huimei Sauna first.

PS. BBBJ, I think I know what that means, but I cannot find out what those 2 'B's stand for. Please teach me. Plus, is there any report that some member describe all the shorten words such as BBBJ, DATY, etc?

S7, go back a month in reading the posts here and you'll have a better idea as to the fun that can be had in CP.

As far as which sauna is better, I think it's up to the individual's experience at these saunas. Most good experiences comes from finding the right girl not so much as the saunas. Both saunas should be priced the same and the facility similar.

You may find it hard to find a sauna girl for LT. It's easier for BBS girls. But one won't know until one tries.

Good luck and have fun.
Bill

Fast Eddie 48

08-31-07, 17:02

Did a short tour of the Yalan tonight, kind of busy this evening. Pulled one of Sandy's new girls, been in town 2 days, sweet thing from Sichuan, likes the laowai! Did a footie at the Yalan, 38 rmb for 80 minutes. You can buy the girl out at the same price and the one I had would have certainly had sex. Yalan also has a full body massage for 108 rmb, the footie girl said she could do this or could choose a girl from the massage place itself. I did not inquire as to extra charges for FS, but assume it is on the same line as most all other joints.

CPE

BTW: The Fu Long Hotel was passing out coupons for a free one hour so the massage would be only 60 rmb, with the girl and FS at 300. I will try it out this weekend.To CPE,

Fu long sauna is kind of old late 20 but service is ok , They have red rope a few yr back only one in CP that I know and now I have to go to zhu hai and shanghai for that Walter hotel room is only 118rmb and 300 for FS and they offer you a coupon for free room on next visit girl there is better but I think the new century sauna have the nicest room and girl in CP.

Fast eddie 48

Old Mean Dog

08-31-07, 17:53

Arrived back in CP late, around 10:30, went straight to the Yalan area to get a shot of ass. I thought I had arrived late as 3 of the shops were totally empty! Finally hit paydirt at the Silver Star KTV, and landed a champion.

Name: Xiao Juan
Looks: 7-8, this girl is 5'9" without shoes on, very thin, small breasts, looked like a fashion model, a real Spinner.
Age: 19
Home: Hunan
Skills: 8, DFK, BBBJ, DATY, Mish, ACG, Reverse Cowgirl and Spooning.
Shop: Silver Star KTV
Damage: 100+100+20 (hit or miss where I live, can be 15 or 20 for taxi)
Overall: I will certainly add her to my ATF list.

Tomorrow, FS massage and if anyone is in town and would like to monger, let me know!

-CPE

OldAsiaHand

08-31-07, 19:15

Santa has a very objective and realistic perspective on this subject. I agree that the girls don't give a rats ass about where you stay. To quote myself about Thailand in a China sense, "They would prefer to go back and play majong with their friends all night in some rat infested bungalow then spend the night with a punter in a 5 star hotel, given the same money." Some of us hopeless romantic mongers try to read more into it for our egos. It is strictly a commercial transaction. Some girls just pretend better than others. Even I am fooled occassionally.

Just my POV.

OAH

I really don't think these girls could give damn about our hotel rooms. They just want to grab the money and run back to the place they came from.

And why should we give damn whether she admires the room or not? She's a hooker, not a girlfriend.

For anybody on a budget I recommend the HuaYu or the Lucky.

The HuaYu is fine. No need to pay more than 130rmb. 150rmb on saturdays. The rooms are clean, come with safe and internet.

The rooms at Lucky go for 180 to 200 rmb. Great place to stay, but they spray the rooms with pesticides every monday because of the big and popular restaurant on the 2nd floor.

Rising Son

09-01-07, 01:50

I'm with OAH and Santa. You don't want to mistake really creative avarice for affection. But if she gives you a good time, who cares>

RS

Jettsetter

09-01-07, 10:08

Neuromancer

09-01-07, 10:42

First time in CP. I've done my due diligence and RTFF, just wondering if any brothers out there can point me to the p*ssy. Where's the best place to find a cute girl for some action?

J/K

Called up CPEx and just waiting to meet up. Woo hoo! Staying at the Miraton. Pretty nice place. Though I should've done a little more homework to determine the correct price. They're charging me 488RMB for one of the rooms with a PC, so at least that's a nice bonus. Didn't feel like dragging my laptop with me. Though remember a post about lineups in the lobby. What lineup? I didn't see any damn lineup in the lobby. Maybe it's too early (arrived around 4pm)

OldAsiaHand

09-01-07, 13:06

Jetsetter,

Footies are similar to legit massage places, I have found that the more sexual they are, the lower the quality of the massage. I have never managed to find a place that was good at both. The girl I had at the Walter last week was very frisky and massaged all the right places , but had little power in her hands for foot massage. Finally, she turned out to be below average in bed and asked for too much money after the deed.

On the other hand, I have had some pretty good foot massages at the place behind the Virgin Hotel, albeit not every time is good. Hit or miss.

I also tried a place just past the Swan Lake Hotel on the same side of the street that was pretty good too. CPExpat might remember the name of the place.

Frankly, if you want a good foot massage, you are better off going to the "clinical" type places where they are highly trained. And, if you can deal with it, the boys are usually far better at it than the girls. These places are generally more expensive than the others and offer many other types of massage and Chinese traditional treatments.

Just my POV.

OAH

Jim Traveller

09-01-07, 16:37

[QUOTE=Jettsetter]I've read about some of CPEx's adventures at Walter and OAH has told me his opinions, but whenever I go to CP, I'm always drawn to the Footie at Lucky Hotel. The footie place there (and when I say footie, I'm talking about the legit footie massage/wash place) is owned by the same folks who have the hair cutting salon right behind Hui Mei.

What has been your experiences at the other footie places? I know I've heard some about Walter, but what about others in town? Which are your favorites and why?

Footies are a great way to spend a lazy afternoon recharging your batteries. The Lucky chain (there are two other locations beside the main shop inside the Lucky Hotel) provides the best clinical massage. Their staff is well trained and will drill, twist, tear apart and reassemble every part of your body thoroughly. It is often busier than other places. Fans of the clinical massage, such as the Taiwan ex-army types with a stiff back, swear by this place. They will go line up for a long time in weekend evenings for a room to be free. The staff at Lucky can be good looking at times, but they make their living with skills (or raw strength), not looks.

Another good footie place is the basement of Hui Hua hotel. This is the newest and in my view the classiest joint in CP. The rooms are well appointed. Staff is well trained. You won't hear people talking loudly in the hallway. In all a wonderful environment to relax. They pay their staff better than other places. The economics really work for star performers clocking in long hours. For example, if a girl clocks in 200 hours per month, she gets 20 rmb per hour for every hour. That beats the 12 rmb.15 rmb rate offerred by other joints. Therefore, Hui Hua keeps the prettiest, youngest and more motivated staff. I have enjoyed spending lazy afternoons at Hui Hua footie, chatting up pleasant looking and friendly staff. Since I stay at the hotel, I even bring down the DVD player from my room so that I can watch English DVDs with my friends, some of whom speak no Chinese. It is a strictly legit place. No monkey business attempted or offered.

Like all footies places, girls can be taken out to accompany you to meals, shopping etc. For the same hourly rate you pay for foot massages. However, for that price don't expect any monkey business. These are girls who have chosen to making a living with their labour. In a town like CP, I have never found the need or the urge to compromise a footie girl's virtues. It could be done of course, I have had many footie girls telling me that their colleagues are now "kept" by some guy or have gone on into the KTV. People's expectations and virtues are not necessary fixed in stone. Some guys do get a kick out of scoring the ones that are not normally available. Many guys think the DJs and especially the footie girls are "cleaner" and with truer emotions. Perhaps they are right. As for me, the same reasons would make me feel a little guilty to corrupt them. Live and let live.

Walter Hotel footie is a quite another story. Girls range from down right ugly to reasonably attractive, but extra are available. More than one footie girl have told me that when being interviewed for a job at the Walter, they were asked whether they were "Kai Fang" (open minded). I am sure not every girl in Walter does extras. They are capable of giving you a straight, clinical massage as well. On my initial visits I thought this was just another legit massage place and was indeed given a straight and uneventful massage.

I don't have an aching muscle on me so I don't need to go to places like Lucky to get a physical workout. I like my footie girl to be pleasing to the eye and can carry a normal conversation. It really is something to let the minutes March by effortlessly while being rubbed down by a cutie, uttering sweet nothings you care little about. No excitement, no guilt, no expectation, no effort, and thoroughly decompressing. A quiet patch of oasis from the roar of the big city.

On one occassion I went into Walter asking for a pretty girl, insisting to the manager that if the girl isn't pretty, I'the reject her. I have had some ugly horses assigned to be in the past and thought to make myself clear. They did not get the order right. Two girls were rejected by me successively. A third girl was sent in my room. She was not plain. She was ugly! I resigned. Thinking that I would get one hour's worth of relaxation, with my eyes closed and mouth shut. Towards the end of the hour, my footie girl started massaging Mr. Happy and got it to full attention. "Do you want a blow job? ", she asks. "Two hundred Kuai (rmb)". What is a brother to do? I am no Saint, especially with my fully erect Mr. Happy in her hands. Yet a man has got to have standards, especially in a land of plenty like CP. I took another look at her horse-like face and resolved to say NO. She was surprised. A hand job was offerred in substitute, I again declined. "Extend for another hour? She confirmed with her hands still grasping Mr. Happy (a powerful sales aid). By that time I have regained full composure and firmly said no. She packed up and left with a bewildered look on her face.

Walter has nicely appointed rooms. Girls' looks can vary but extras are definitely available on premise from some of the girls, who will proposition you if you drop some hints that you are in for more than an average massage.

To be continued

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Jim Traveller

09-01-07, 16:59

Almost every major hotel in CP has a footie attached.

New World Hotel is just one block from Meriton. Their footie is bebind the main hotel building in a separate annex. Some of my buddies have been going to this place for years and swears by their respective regular girl. I have found the rooms to be a bit dated, certainly not the same class as Hui Hua, Walter or Lucky. But acceptable.

Hui Mei Footie is across the street from Hui Mei, actually closer to the Virgin hotel. The decor is a bit zen and the furniture is certainly old. I have found misquitos in the rooms. I am not a fan.

Virgin footie is on the 3rd floor of the Virgin hotel. Rooms are tiny but have been renovated. Some have LCD monitors attached to every massage chair so you and your friend can watch different TV channles. The same monitors give you internet access as well. That being my sole reason of choosing this place over Hui Hua at times. Make sure you ask for an internet room at the reception.

None of the places mentioned above have extra offered on site. The prices in all legit footies in CP are similar at RMB 45.50 for an 80 minute first hour. No tips expected. I often hear the footie girls telling me about other places with extras being the norm. I consider Walter to be a "semi" extra place but have not ventured into other extra places since I am not looking for extras when it comes to foot massages. Perhaps another brother can provide some insight, for completeness sake.

Old Mean Dog

09-01-07, 22:52

Alright, I'm going to start a new topic...

I've read about some of CPEx's adventures at Walter and OAH has told me his opinions, but whenever I go to CP, I'm always drawn to the Footie at Lucky Hotel. The footie place there (and when I say footie, I'm talking about the legit footie massage/wash place) is owned by the same folks who have the hair cutting salon right behind Hui Mei.

That has become our favorite because I really enjoy the staff there, the rooms are clean and the general feeling is more friendly than let's say the Virgin or Hui Mei footie massage place that I had the oppty to try out.

Mind you, we've actually picked up gals from the footie to go out, some we had fun with and others we just hung out with (which is kind of refreshing)...

What has been your experiences at the other footie places? I know I've heard some about Walter, but what about others in town? which are your favorites and why?

My SECOND question is what else do you guys enjoy doing in CP during the day except Footies, DVD shopping and a nooner with a BBS Girl?!...

Don't get me wrong, life isn't so bad in this cycle, but was wondering what some of you brothers like to do out there.

-Jettsetter

CP Oct. 8-16 (see you guys there!)

- If you like to play golf, Citic Chang Ping golf course is close and looks very nice.

- Sleep during the day and party all night is a common option.

- Catch a train to Shenzhen and/or Guangzhou

- Buy some new clothes, golf clubs, shoes many shops offering Western goods.

- Sit in the Mito Cafe or Mingtian Coffee Shop and girl watch.

Basically, not much to do here, except bang girls, go to KTV's, take in a massage or hit a disco.

I think I have had a footie almost every day since I moved here and my feet are as soft as a baby's butt now.

There are MANY footies here in CP, some good, some ok and some bad.

The Walter Hotel, the joint behind the Virgin Hotel, the Yalan Hotel and the place across the street from the Lion Hotel is good. I think the Lucky is just ok as is the Hua Mei (not Hui), Sun Kong, the place OAH spoke about just down the street from the Swan KTV and a few others.

For quality of girls and chance of extra service, the Walter wins hands down followed by the Yalan, but their massage skills and enviroment are not as good.

- CPE

Fast Eddie 48

09-02-07, 03:49

Mongerxx

09-02-07, 06:58

For those of you looking a new place to do some recovery time, I would like to recommend the brand mega massage center a short ride (15 yuan in one of the ubiqiutous Vans) from the main CP hotel center.

This is a clean family joint that has absolutely incredible sauna facilities, Huge over the top relax area with all the touches and services, and very good massage rooms and excellent massage. While not as cheap as a footie, I thought it wasn't too expensive and good value for the money.

The place occupies a good sized three or four story building. First you enter a large airy reception area and lobby. Our group was greated by Angela, who spoke a little englsih (enough that you can call her and get her to give the taxi directions for sure.) We given locker keys and directed to the men's locker room. My friends try to play a trick on me and send me to the women's locker room.

The locker room is large, spacious, CLEAN, and the attendants very attentive! After undressing I went to take a shower and got my first view of the extensive male sauna area. Wow, I have never seen anything like it before in my life. Must have been two-thirds of an acre of dry and wet saunas, hot tubs, cold tubs, a medium tempature pool with in pool seats surrounded by jacuzzi jets. All in pristine condition.

Next I hit the shower area, for the first of my three visits of the day. The shower stalls a very large, clean, and have all the amenities. Plus the water pressure is great and you can actually accurately monitor the water temp.

So I started off with a visit to the good size steam room, with the tempature set on perfect. One of the numerous attendents followed me into the room and presented me with two ice cold face towels and a cup of cold water on a tray. I gotta say the staff here has excellent training, they are every and extremely helpful and proficient, but you never feel annoyed or intruded upon.

After my steam I hit the pool with my buddies, while the staff keeps trying to ask me something, but I don't speak any mandarin. Turns out the staff is asking me to try a full body scrub treatment. My "friends" said it was great to take of dead skin and you felt really clean afterwards. Willing to try most things once I went for it. Well all I got is say is yes I felt clean after the 25 minute scrub, and I would recommend it only if you are very comfortable with your sexuality. Homophobes would freak and the only other male contact as close as this is when you get a hernia check or prostate check by a doctor! At the end of the scrub I had to sign a slip and I also put a 10 RMB tip on here for the guy as well.

After another round of the facilities, I showered for the second time, Now it was time to put on the pajamas and hit the relax area. As a large western gentleman this can be an ackward moment as many spas have only western large size at best attire. Here they had very new, comfortable, and big boy freindly attire. They even had disposable underwear. I decided to free ball it in my short and kimono.

Next they attendants led me in the elevator up to the third floor. Here is the Relax room, actually full floor of the building, and it is very pimped out. Here three of the four sides are fitted with plush overstuffed reclining lounge chairs. Some chairs are even double width so you could bring a honey and cuddle up. Here you can see that it's really co-ed as you see lots of women, families, and groups of friends all enjoying themselves immensley. Two sections of the chairs have their own personal video screens to watch TV. It was so cute to see two or three little kids in their sauna PJ's curled up in a big chair watching TV.

The facilites in the relax area are numerous. There was a billards area with a pool and a snookers table, there was a big manicure-pedicure area, also there is a big fruit counter where you select whatever fruit you want and they will cut it up and serve it to you. This and some basic beverages are included with the massage price.

Also there, is a restaruant area. In this area they set up three different buffets during the day. They had just set up the dinner buffet and we decided to try it before heading to the karaoke for the evening and after our massage. This was a 38RMB add on, but a great deal as it had sushi, a japanese grill section, a noodle and dim sum area, steamed shrimp and an assortment of cold and hot dishes, and even had a ice bar with four flavors (and good quality too) Evidently for breakfast the buffet is only 10 RMB. I'm not sure about the lunch price.

Anyway we hung out in a section of chairs that didn't have personalized tv's but rather the room had two huge projection screens (thankfully not one) Angela came up and entertained us and made sure we were well attended too. Some of use got manicures, pedicures, ear cleaning and etc.

After we were relaxed enough, it was time for the massage. Here you had a choice of traditional thai massage, shiatsu, or oil massage - which they called hong kong style but more commonly known as swedish. We were a group of seven and took are massages at the same time. The massage rooms were private, CLEAN, QUIET, and well appointed. I was lucky as my girl gave a great oil massage for the full 90 minutes. The best massage I have had in a while, she was real strong (although a tiny little thing) and was quite good at finding kinks and knots then working them out. Sorry I forgot to grab her number. Others in my group had different degrees of success a couple were quite happy and a couple of others felt there massage not strong enough. Evidently the staff is all new and they are a bit overworked - with all of them doing quite a bit of overtime. Anyway I gave my girl a 30RMB tip on the slip I signed. She was a really nice girl.

So what was the damage? For the massage, tips I signed for, the body scrub, and the dinner buffet my bill was 262RMB. But I had a 30 RMB discount coupon so my damage was 232. Not the cheapest deal in town, but for almost 5 hours of pure relaxation and spoiling I thought it was great value. Just remember it's completely legit here, so don't make an ass of yourself.

Unfortunately my scanner is not working so I can't post a copy of the card with map on the back. But here is some contact infomartion that should allow you to get to the place easily.

Silvery Holiday
Tel 0769-8189 6363

Angel (she was very helpful)
13006859002

Santa

09-02-07, 08:37

I thought the Dongguan thread had become rather boring, "same shit different day". Then along comes MongerXX and JimTraveller with great reports. Thank you!

Santa

09-02-07, 08:51

[QUOTE=Jettsetter]

Don't get me wrong, life isn't so bad in this cycle, but was wondering what some of you brothers like to do out there.

-Jettsetter
QUOTE]

A day trip to the Opium War Museum in Humen is ok. 30 minutes by bus. It passes by the Miraton. Ask at reception desk

In CP there is a nice amusement park with temple, lake, small zoo and giant Buddha. It's about ten minutes drive south of town. Only 15rmb by taxi.

There is a park near the train station where kids dance at night. A footpath goes around a small lake, a lovers path.

The "walking street" is always good for shopping and people watching.

There is a bookshop on the second floor opposite the Lucky Hotel.

Go to a swimming pool or gym.

Take your laptop to the Mito Cafe and use their wireless connection, sit near the windows and watch the girls walk by.

There is an Opera House that might have something on. Maybe.

Go to the small late night restaurants behind the Lucky, eat a snack and drink beer with the locals.

Take a trip to another nearby town such as Zhangmutou. 40rmb by minivan I think.

Jack The Lad

09-02-07, 11:14

Non-Sex Info: Around the corner and down the road towards the Swan KTV is a small restaurant called Godfathers, which serves pretty good Western food and is owned by a Brit.

-The Skirt Chaser

The know the owners of the restaurant... They are mongers too. It is owned by a Chinese and an Indian. Feel free to talk to them about mongering, They are pretty in the know. LOL. They do pretty good food too.

Old Mean Dog

09-02-07, 13:17

Pulled a girl from the Yalan area this evening. I was told she was into BJ's and Deep Throating, but which mommy doesn't tout this shit with every girl? This time, they were true to their word! It was the best BJ I've ever gotten in CP and is within my top 2 ATF.

Name: Wei Wei
Age: 18
Looks: 8 Smoking body, nice big firm C Cups, just a little hair down below and well groomed, quite the hottie.
Skills: 10 (BJ) I really wanted a BJ so I cannot comment on her banging skills since I never got that far. DFK, 69, BBBJCIM (Deep Throat), used her beautiful larges breasts to give me a tit wank as well.
Damage: 100 mom + 150 girl (Anyone this good deserves a 35 rmb tip and and taxi ride home)
Overall: Superstar!!

-CPE

BTW: Found a pretty cool nightclub called the Music Talk Bar last night which is located across from the Walter Footie. No sitting fee for the small tables and 100rmb for the large one which includes snacks, no fee for the girls to sit with you. Dance and Pop music, liars dice, etc. bottle of Jack Daniels under 400 rmb.

Neuromancer

09-02-07, 14:11

Went up to CP over the weekend, gave CPEx a ring. Have to say that he is one extremely gracious host, which make me feel even more like sh*t for (unintentionally) disrespecting him (details at bottom of post).

Anyway, rolled into town around 4pm. I was surprised at how amazingly easy it is to get here from HK. Took the KCR to Lo Wu, walked across the border and the train station was pretty easy to find. Just across the big courtyard as you exit customs. Ticket from Shenzen to Dongguan was 45RMB. It's been a while since I've been on a train in China and it was much nicer than I had expected. A little crowded but not too big a deal.

Checked into Miraton and did a quick reconnaissance trip around the block. The alley behind the Miraton was cool, full of working girls grabbing a bite to eat before starting work. Bunch of window-shop BBSs (I think) behind the Rainbow. I think they were BBSs, but the girls were all busy doing each others hair and didn't seem to be on the lookout of potential customers passing by.

Went back to my room and rang CPEx, came over in 20 minutes and took me out to Yalan. While I guess that a solo mongerer could find his way, it's really not very easy, especially if you make a point of not following touts, because it's just not very obvious from the outside where they are. It definitely wasn't what I was expecting. Was expecting to find rows of small shops with a few girls hanging around the couches looking bored. The first place CPEx took me to, had to go up an elevator to the 7th (? ) floor. Looked like an abandoned warehouse. There were two rooms with 15-20 girls or so. There were a few cuties, but wanted to have the grand tour first. Next up was a single story building, again, looked like an abandoned warehouse. Three rooms with another 15-20 or so girls. Ended up taking a girl from this place, called Xiao Lin. Wanted to do some more touring, but the mommy pitched her as a "little mommy" and I sort of had my eye on her already. When we left, mommy and little mommy followed us out so figured, what the hell. Was worried that after all that, if I didn't take her she would be pissed and if I returned to take her she wouldn't have gone. Sort of silly I suppose, like a hooker is gonna turn down money.

It's when we left this place that I had the pleasure of meeting the infamous Jojo, braces and all. CPEx hadn't chosen one yet so it was off to the next shop with little mommy Xiao Lin in tow. Walked into this convenience store and through the back door and up some stairs, and another room with 15-20 or so girls. Anyway, CPEx was waiting for his special request so I took off with little mommy at this point.

Xiao Lin:
Looks: 7 - didn't notice the serious heels she had on, she was much shorter than I initially though. Nice, natural B-cups.
Attitude: 5.5 - dunno, she seemed to be pretty enthusiastic when we left the shop. Back in the room, turned out to be pretty ordinary. Not bad, but nothing to write home about either.
Would repeat? probably not given the abundant choices

After finishing up, wandered out looking for food and bumped into CPEx walking down the street. CP is actually not very big, at least the "busy" part isn't anyway. After dinner, found the bar that CPEx mentioned in his post. I think it was in that alley between the Walter and the Rainbow?

Here's where I unintentionally dissed CPEx. Started off just playing dice with the house girls. CPEx calls Jojo to bring some girls over. Asked if I wanted one and was "eh, whatever", don't bother. I had already popped twice that day (once back in HK) and figured I didn't really need one. Jojo shows up with one girl for CPEx. Another one came by later. Long story short, after polishing off the first bottle of Jack and starting on the second, I started getting flirty with CPEx's girl (I had turned away the second girl). I suppose it was the alcohol at work, which really doesn't excuse it. But ended up taking CPEx's girl out.

And now I feel like crap for dissing on a fantastic host. Dude, I owe you a couple girls next time I'm up. Probably at the end of the month.

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Jim Traveller

09-02-07, 15:39

Thanks to Mongerxx on that excellent report on the Silvery spa.

CP can be boring during the day. Even for a native Chinese speaker like myself. Many of my buddies have bought or rent apartments in CP. So that they don't have to take extra underwear with them on extended trips. At least that is their excuse.

CP is a bid tenative and not a town where you can really build a life. It is a great thing to come here and unwind for a few days, but beyond that it could be a lonely place. You can always buy companionship. Over the long term it could be too draining emotionally. A buddy of mine is keeping three mistresses in CP at the same time. I remembering him having a tough juggling act while on his second mistress. He must be fairly drained now. I will ask him when I see him next week.

If you are planning to say more than a day or two in CP, you will need a buddy. Male camaraderie is essential. Your vacation time is precious. Don't got to a KTV just because your buddy wants to go, especially if you have better plans. But do share meals and swap stories. I have found that to be wonderful way to start a evening.

Old Mean Dog

09-02-07, 18:43

After Wei Wei and some dinner, threw back a Vitamin V and some Red Bull and decided to go for Round 2. Pulled another girl from the Yalan area.

Name: Xiao Whatever (Seems 90% of the girls here are Xiao Something or Another)
Age: 18
Home: Sichuan
Looks: 7, cute girl, body nothing special, and acted a little too childish for me
Skills: 5 DFK, BBBJ (Tong), DATY, Mish, she is really new to prostitution and is a little weak in her skills.
Damage: 100 mom + 200 girl, my condom broke inside her, so gave her extra for the morning after pill, stress and taxi.
Overall: Nothing special, just another bang.

-CPE

BTW: 003's bought in mainland China are not as large as the 003's in Hong Kong. I can't remember the members name that lives in HK and sells Western condoms, but if you read this, send me a PM, I would like to order a few dozen more from ya!

Dan Hawaii

09-02-07, 21:22

Dan Hawaii

09-02-07, 21:56

Bill Lee

09-02-07, 22:12

I'm surprised that HK and Chinese version could be any different. Unless one is a counterfeit.

I'm not aware that the .003 are available in the U.S. I think the thinness is not FDA approved.

But the .003 can be found in Watson's store in HKIA, Hong Kong and China.

I also found that a shop in CP that sold the .003 condom for about 99RMB for a box of 10. Otherwise, all 7/11 sells the box of 3s.

BTW, a friend of mine tried it in a fast and furious fuck session and the .003 rubber broke too.

The shop with the box of 10s is located at the opposite end of the long block of the 7/11, that's across the street from the Hui Mei Hotel.

Bill

I'll be coming on Sept 18, you want to order some 003s from the USA? I'll get you some if you can wait 2 weeks. I'll be getting some for myself too. LMK and PM me.

Condom broke!!! That's the mongerers' worst nightmare.

Tiger 888

09-03-07, 00:08

Durex sells the same product in Asia in a smaller size than in the US.

The best condom in the market for my taste is the Sagami 0.02. It is available in HK in many convenience stores.
They recently even have a large version, but difficult to get. And very expensive (134 HK$/12).

As far as I know there is only one shop to get the large ones, that is Sampsonstore (www.sampsonstore.com). They are the HK distributor.

If you want the standard size you may get better deals from Mannings when they have promotions.

Santa

09-03-07, 03:47

The best condom in the market for my taste is the Sagami 0.02. .

How do they taste? Not too sweet? :D

Tiger 888

09-03-07, 04:35

How do they taste? Not too sweet? :DThey are the best because they they don't even smell (no taste at all either as the girls say). And clear as glass so that you almost can't see them. And not feel much of them either because they are so thin. It's a next to none experience.