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Admin
01-01-07, 02:00
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Admin
01-01-07, 02:00
Thread Starter.

UnderPSI
01-02-07, 20:55
Can anyone enlighten me which KTV/Hotel would be the best ones to go to? I'm looking for the most luxurious KTV/hotel with the best girls; price not being an issue.

I have been to Tangxia Goodview Hotel and find the hotel to be absolutely outstanding 5+++star resort however the girls at KTV seems to lack a little.

Any insight would be appreciated. thx guys..

Fast Eddie 48
01-02-07, 23:12
hey rising son,

glad to see you are finally making the pilgrimage.
why dont you get your visa done now, state side rather than waiting till you get to PP. alternatively you can get it done in HK. I've never tried to getting it one for China in PP.

have fun!


to rising son

I agree with Gorderos you should get the china visa in US if you are too busy have your travel agent do it for you my agent charge me $20 usd service fee and china visa one entry is 50 usd .

I not sure there are even a china consulate in phnom penh or not you don't want to waste your time on vacation another options is get it in hong kong
cost you alot for a express visa .

fast eddie 48

Phantomtiger2
01-02-07, 23:57
Hi, Everybody --

I've got a ticket to Shenzhen on the 3rd of March and am heading to CP on that evening. Problem is, my Chinese visa.

I'm leaving the States for SE Asia in about six days and it's going to be tight to get the visa here. Does anyone know how easy/hard/impossible it will be to get one in Phnom Penh?

Any guidance will be appreciated. It's pretty much an all-day thing just for me to get to the Chinese consulate here and then another day to go back and pick up the visa. If it can be done in PP, that would be great.

Anyone konw?

Thanks,

RS


RS,
Yes there is a Chinese embassy in PP. And guess what, its located on Mao Tsetung Blvd (St 245) so should be easy to remember as you are already familiar with PP.
It is always possible as almost all embassy issues visas, but dont know the cost or time involved. Since I dont know all the requirements for getting a China visa from PP, it may be more convenient just to get one here before leaving.
If you absolutely cant get one stateside and you plan to be in PP for awhile then it is possible from PP, like I said, dont know the time or cost though.


PT

Guy I
01-03-07, 08:51
Can anyone enlighten me which KTV/Hotel would be the best ones to go to? I'm looking for the most luxurious KTV/hotel with the best girls; price not being an issue.

I have been to Tangxia Goodview Hotel and find the hotel to be absolutely outstanding 5+++star resort however the girls at KTV seems to lack a little.

Any insight would be appreciated. thx guys..

I just went to Goodview for the first time a couple of weeks ago and I found the lineups first rate - however, I was there before 7pm already when the pickings were still very good. I lost count after about 100 girls ranging from 6-9+.

Laowai123
01-03-07, 12:30
Day 1 (TH) Arrival; first shopping tour; first night in CP

Cp is only a 20 min cab ride away from where I live (ZMT), but never went there. So I took the chance to meet Crazier there and went to CP and the whole trip went un-expected.

Checked-in at Miraton, went with Crazier to Yalan for a shopping tour. First stop was above the restaurant across Yalan Hotel. This floor is now a KTV link and what I saw it should be possible to go upstairs through a side entrance (on the right side) of the restaurant and not through the restaurant, which makes a little bit "comfortable" for some of us. Including me.

The selection was not bad from my POV. As Laowai I am not just walking in, pointing at a girl, pay and leave with (or without the girl when she will come to the room later). I take some minutes to observe the selection what many times is not easy, because the mamas want to push you to a girl or just doing other things with you and your "little brother".

When I look around I try to figure which of the girls is putting attention to me, start and keeping smiling. Then I start talking with these girls to get to know them a little bit better and to relax the situation. They know that we Laowais have a different size and so, many of them are scared. Through the talk with the girl I try to find out if she is too scared or just a little bit and curious too. I am more into GFE/LT as in the action itself, so I take this time. However, I found one, wrote her name on mamas card. I didn't book her, because I wanted to go to the other shops first.

Left the shop, went downstairs, waited outside and saw a group of Laowais and Asian looking guys in front of Yalan Hotel. One of them waved his hand, I waved back even I did not know these guys, they came over and one started asking us: "Do you know ISG? ". ISG? . Never heard of this. Hehe. It came out that we met OAH, Wadman, Santa and Bill Lee. After a short conversation, we continued our shopping tour split up, but we met not only one time during this afternoon tour in this area.

Crazier and I continued the tour which brought us also to Babys shop which was a little bit away from Yalan core scene. One girl there got my attention and Craziers too. Yes, it came out that we favor the same girls. Crazier booked this girl and I promised another cute one to take her another time, what I tried four times, but it seems that she left or whatever. Baby always told me a different kind of story. Blabla.

As I did not find any other girl which I really would like to have LT I went back to book my first selection. Crazier, I and Wadman, who came over later, had dinner with our girls before we went back to Miraton. The night with my girl was just "soso".

Day 2 (FR). The day I intended to leave; extending the stay; the day when HK mongers are arriving.

As I was impressed from the amount of girls and the night before was just "soso", I decided to extend for one (! ) night.

After breakfast with Crazier he showed me the shops behind HuiMei. We went to three shops and I found two in one shop and one in another shop. Kept their names on mamas card as we decided to have another tour at Yalan. Before we went to Yalan we had a look in "shop" at JiaMei hotel behind HuiMei next to the other shops, but the selection was not special.

Back to Yalan, our faces showed up, mamas surrounding us and pushing us to their shop. We went upstairs to one shop behind Yalan hotel. The selection was from my POV not bad but the three mamas where not given time to have a look and talks with the girls, they were a little bit aggressive and we decided to leave.

Went to other shops, but I can't find one which I would take, even there were some cuties and GFE looking girls, but they gave me a scared impression and I did not want to push it. I called one mama from a shop behind HuiMei to book one the two girls I would like to have as I did not expect anything else at Yalan.

Finally we went to the location behind Yalan hotel where two shops a located in a big room. We went to the right one and there a young one approached me, gave me a gum and continued talking with me. As she was cute and a funny I decided to take her instead the other girls and called mama that I will not take her, because of. Blabla. Paid mama and told the girl to come over later.

Whole Yalan was flooded by HK mongers starting around 4/5pm. It's a strange and crazy view. Yalan during rush hour and big biz time.

When I arrived at Miraton she was already waiting as we were late. She was a real cute and funny girl and just arrived in CP two weeks before. As I had bad experiences before I talked with her what I would like to have or better said I would like to get from her. She was scared and refused e. G. BJ with the excuse she does not know how. I was starting thinking "not again, not again" and "Why I did not discuss this at the shop" but decided to give her a chance. I told her, in case she really does not know I do not have a problem to teach her, but she must have the will for it and in case she cheats me I will kick her out immediately. She said that she wants and so we had a slow first round without BJ. This round was unexpected a good one, for me and her.

After a break and late dinner I wanted to start the "education round", but she refused and said "tomorrow". This was too much for me, as I know this kind of game of "tomorrow". Yes, tomorrow is a new day and tomorrow you don't feel good or want to leave before sunrise. Forget it was my first thought and I am following in such situation this thought.

So I told her to leave and looked at her in an appropriate "angry" look. She became like paralyzed, her body was shaking and she started crying and this for more than an hour in total. Oh my goodness. "What did I? " was my first thought. As the whole thing and the way it happened it could not have been a show. A show you can keep for a short time, but this thing was more than an hour.

She started to say "I want to go home now" and repeated this every five minutes like a machine. From the first moment I told her that she can leave whenever she wants, but it seems that she was not able to leave. So I gave her time and started talking with her, tried to get some more background infos. I will not post anything what she told me, as many of you maybe will tell me that this was just a story or whatever. I don't know if it was, but within this situation I am not sure if you can be such a good actress for a long time, so I keep this a true story. We all know, that there is a story behind every girl doing this biz. This night I think I heard the one of this girl, lying paralyzed and crying in my bed. The whole time.

Anyhow, she left after more than an hour and I paid her full LT + cab ride without thinking twice about it.

Day 3 (SA). Checking out. And in; cheating girl and mama; happy end

Breakfast with Crazier, time to discuss what happened last night and I am checking out before noon. As Crazier invited me to his room for tea/coffee I stayed longr in CP and we had a nice conversation (thx Crazier). It's evening now, what to do. Oh no, I want to check in again.

Went down to check-in again and went up to my room for a shower. I called mama from a shop behind HuiMei and booked the girl which I booked on Day 2 but canceled. Headed to the shop to pay and picking up her for dinner with Crazier.

The girl was from my POV a nice one, but her attitude from the first moment was strange. She gave me the impression to be with her thoughts not present. During dinner she was pushing me to leave. After we paid and left the table she rushed out of the restaurant having a phone call. I did not give this a lot of attention. But I should have had. We went back to Miraton but not rushing it, passed the 7/1 shop to buy some stuff. She started pushing again to go to the room. I was thinking that she maybe want to be indoor quickly and told her to wait at the elevator for me. When I came to the elevators I saw her writing a SMS but again I did not give this a lot of attention. But I should have had. Went to the room and immediately when I closed the door she said "Wo xiang kan ta" (I want to see him) and pointed to my "little friend". I smiled and showed him the girl of the upcoming night. Immediately she started saying, no it was a kind of shouting, that he is so big and she will not do it. "What the hell is going on here? " I was thinking that this was the first kind of such "show". She told me to go with her to the shop to pick another one. But I refused to do this as I planned to go to pick up my CNY100. I called mama what happened and told her that will come over to get back the CNY100

She left and I called Crazier. I asked him to accompany me to pick up the deposit. On the way to the mama I called the mama of another shop in this alley to book one of the girl I saw on Day 2. As it was around 9pm and Saturday the chance that she was still available was not high, but she was and I booked her. I told mama that I have to pick up the deposit from another mama first.

Crazier also told me that, from his POV the girl has a weekend regular showing up and so cheating the whole thing to get rid off me. Now, I was realizing all the strange things before.

We arrived at the shop of this cheating mama but mama was not there. After another call and few minutes she came over. I told her again what happened and asked for my CNY100 back. She tried to force me to choose another girl which I refused and then she started telling me something about CNY50. This was the moment I decided to go on DEFCON Level 2 (Defence Control) as I am tired of this Chinese bullshit what the do with foreigners when money is in the game/discussion. I told her. It was more in a level of shouting. To give back the CNY100. She continued telling me something about CNY50 and I was continuously saying "100, I am not here to chat with you, 100, 100, I am not here to chat with you, 100, 100, . ". After around 15 minutes she gave me CNY100 which I took after checking it was a real or fake note.

For the records:

Name of cheating mamasan: ? , Xiao Lin, 134 33001933; see attached scan of her card

Name of cheating girl: Ai Hua from Hubei, 19

After this intermezzo I and the mama of my new girl left the scene so I can hook up with the girl away from the scene. Unexpected she was smiling and had a very friendly attitude from the first moment on. On the way back Crazier recommended to change the room as we don't know what is going on in the brain of these people. Crazier gave my girl accompany and I rushed back to the hotel. Explained the situation to the AM on duty and I got a new room. AM David was very friendly, like all the staff at Miraton, attended me to bring my stuff from my old room to the new one. In front of the new room my "new" girl was already waiting as I send Crazier a SMS with my new room number.

The following night was the happy end of this day. The girl was like a GF from the first moment and we both enjoyed the night. It was wonderful. A real happy end.

Summary/Recommendation about the cheating girl and her mama: The entertainment areas of South China are over flooded by HK mongers between FR evening and Sunday Evening, additionally during holidays in HK. I am sure that I would not have had the troubles with this girl and her mama too during weekdays. During weekend you have to deal with the fact that regulars of girls are coming and they pay sometimes more or do whatever, so the girls want to stay with them. I recommend to stay away from these areas when you are not known as a regular customer of a girl or at least her mama. But the girls will tell you any excuse to get rid of you. From ZMT I know that weekend is rush hour and big biz time for girls and mamas. The girls do not want LT, they want ST and this as short as possible. The girls will refuse you or not putting attention on you, when you want LT. Weekend is big biz time in South China entertainment areas. And not only there.

I collected on my last day in CP names of girls which I will try to book during my next stay/visit in CP. This stay/visit will be during weekdays. On weekends only when I in accompany with other friends and I have a girl and know that she is not cheating me. A regular one.

The trouble with her mama is a bad behavior of her, the well known short-view thinking of many Chinese people. They want all your money now and not thinking about a longterm relation. She lost at least two customers.

M2c

Day 4 (SU, New Year Eve). Checking out. And in again; 2nd night with my happy end from the day before

After breakfast with Crazier I checked out and headed with Crazier for a foot massage at HuiHua hotel next to Miraton. After the massage I called my taxi from ZMT to pick me up at Miraton.

Around 5pm a friend called me and asked what I will do on this New Year Eve evening. I said, that I just came back from three days CP and don't have anything scheduled. He told me that some of our friends will go to Lion KTV in CP and asked me if I want to come. Hmm. CP again. Oh my goodness. I said yes, we arranged a pick-up time.

I am not anymore in KTV, as I don't know why I should pay 500/800 for something I can get cheaper and mostly better other where. So, I decided to book the girl from last night again. I called her, explained the situation (going to KTV and so), she said yes, I called Miraton to book a room again.

My friend picked me up and brought me to Miraton, where the staff welcomed me with a big, big smile. "Long time not see. ". Checked-in for one (! ) night, stored my bag in the room, my girl was already waiting at the lobby and we went to Lion KTV. KTV was fun, because I had a gril I know. Played teh dice game, drank some turns of beers, my girl enjoyed singing. She was happy and so I was happy too. After midnight we went back to Miraton, my friend was staying at Lion KTV longer.

The following second night with her was wonderful again, with a touch more happiness.

Day 5 (MO, New Year Day). Extending the stay; the arrival of "Seniors".

During breakfast #4 with Crazier Wadman sent me a SMS, that he, OAH, Bill Lee, Santa and AG will come to CP this afternoon. Hmm. I really wanted to stay only one night again. Ok. It comes, as it comes. Headed to the front desk and extended for one night. This was done with a big smile by the staff.

Anyhow, I had a problem: I was running out of coffee, good fresh grinded coffee from my home country. So, I decided to head back to ZMT to fill up my coffee box. Called my taxi, back in my apartment, back to CP. Ready for action. Call me whatever you want, but I need my portion (s) of coffee everyday. "Seniors Members" need girls, I am a "Regular Member". So have to deal with coffee until I am "senior". : D

After the whole group. AG, OAH, Santa, Wadman, Bill Lee, Crazier and I. Was settled at Miraton we headed to Yalan. We split up to make the hunt a little bit easier for us and the mamas. I was not really in the mood to hunt a new girl, as the girl form my last two nights were still in my head, but finally settled in one of a shop next to the SilverStar KTV link. The left shop with Jenny as mama.

She came to my room, we chatted a bit and showered then. As I am more in GF type girls I try to find out if the girl is in this kind of "service" by DATY her. She was a bit scared but let it go and it seemed that she enjoyed it. Then it was time to "serve" me and she went with her head down for a blow job not forgetting to put the blanket over her head. "What the hell is going on now? , Do you want to give me a fake BJ? " where my thoughts. I put the blanket away but she put it over her head again and I started to become angry. After less then two minutes she stopped whatever she did under the blanket moved her head beside the bed and spit on the floor. "Stop, Stop. This is too much for me! " were my though and I asked her in an appropriate manner "Where do you think are? ".

During this a SMS from Wadman showed up on my phone, I took the "chance" to send a reply and also send a SMS to my girl from the last two nights asking if she is available, as I decided in this moment not to keep the girl on my bed for LT. After this I wanted to do the deed, my little friend was a little bit off strong shape after the SMS work, but strong enough for a condom. I pulled it on and wanted to enter her when she pulled the blanked over her head. I looked around 30 secs at this situation. My friend ready to enter, her face covered by the blanket. I put teh blanked away and asked what the problem is. She answered that I am angry, yes I am angry and decided to stop the action. Pulled the condom of and said sent her out.

Cleaned up the bathroom/room and called the mama of my regular girl to send her over. She arrived and the situation changed from strange to a normal. With my girl and the other guys we went for Dinner. Only AG showed up with a girl too.

After Dinner Crazier and I decided to go to the American Bar across of Miraton. We settled in the more silent area, the two girls played pool billiard together, we chatted with the bar manager from Philippines, a friend of Crazier showed up, live bands from Philippines were playing. It was from my POV a very nice time.

Around midnight we headed to our rooms. The third night with my girl was again a very good one.

Day 6 (TU). Final check out; relaxing remaining time in CP

I canceled breakfast as I wanted to stay with my girl as long as possible. Before noon I checked out, stored my bag at the hotel and headed with the guys for foot massage at the massage link of HuiMei hotel (across the hotel, right hand of Virgin hotel sauna). After chatting and joking with the massage girls, Bill, Santa and I left Wadman and AG who decided to add another massage time.

Bill lead me to the catacombs of CP. Was an impressive tour, to see how the locals men are satisfying their sex urge. Some nice looking girls their, but the environment.

After this we all went to Yalan for shopping. As I was not staying overnight anymore I just wrote down the name of girls I would like to have the next time. Got a good selection and will try to meet them soon.

After the shopping tour we went back to Miraton and I had a short relaxing time at Miratons lobby. It's always great to sit next to the elevators for watching girls, getting their attention and phone numbers. Sometime it's like a continously line-up. Later, we. Except Crazier, who had another appointment. Headed for dinner. During Dinner Bill decided to have a look at JiaYi (Bill, TaoYuan in English: D). So we headed to JiaYi being confrontated that they will show us the girls only when we book a room with a minimum charge of CNY380 (when I remember right, please correct me guys). As many of us won't pay to see girls, we left and walked to Amazon. AG arranged that we can have a look at the flower street.

Arrived at Amazon, the flower street was small. Just something around 40 girls. After we showed up, some girls approached me and Santa. Bill and Santa took a bath within the girls, I stayed beside the scene with two girls hanging on my arms, but after a while they realized that we will not stay. So, after a while we left the flower street, Santa with a bunch of girls. Hehe. I had the impression that he would like to stay.

Short note about Amazon from my POV:

I like the environment more than other KTVs. JiaYi, after what I could see during my two short visits, is too "clean". Like many other KTVs. Of course when you reduce your demands for a KTV to girls, drinks and so on, then every KTV will do it. I need something more to cross the inner border to stay and select a girl at a KTV, something Amazon maybe can give me. But I never tried it. Will try it, with the right group, otherwise it does not make fun.

After this we headed back to Miraton. I picked-up my bag, they other guys were heading to a sauna link, I was waiting for my cab.

Summary:

One night became five nights. It was a great time with all the other guys. Thx for your support and accompany. Hope to meet you in CP or wherever again. As I live just 20min from CP away. The mamas will see me again very soon.

LW

PS: Please give feedback in case you would like to have such a long report split into many small ones. Thx

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Happy Lenny
01-03-07, 19:24
Please note the direction of North on this map.

UnderPSI
01-04-07, 03:55
I just went to Goodview for the first time a couple of weeks ago and I found the lineups first rate - however, I was there before 7pm already when the pickings were still very good. I lost count after about 100 girls ranging from 6-9+.Thanks for your input, maybe they have changed the line up since i went there few months back and i didn't sit down under about 8pm.

Any other top choice selections in Dongguan? How is Crown Prince? Or any top rate ones in Houjie area?

Thanks

Ace Gallant
01-04-07, 07:09
Anyhow, I had a problem: I was running out of coffee, good fresh grinded coffee from my home country. So, I decided to head back to ZMT to fill up my coffee box. Called my taxi, back in my apartment, back to CP. Ready for action. Call me whatever you want, but I need my portion (s) of coffee everyday. "Seniors Members" need girls, I am a "Regular Member". So have to deal with coffee until I am "senior". : D


It is not so much of the Regular or Senior Member thing ...

I am sure many board members like to hook up and hunt in a pack, regardless of whether you are a Regular member or Senior member. I remembered when I met Wadman; he is a Regular member with 3 posts. When I met a few others, they are just to same... a couple of posts and regular member. Though with that little numbers of posts, each post is a great post!

I should say, if a Rookie to the board comes into ISG and thinking he is Mr. know it all, or he is a Cowboy with a six shooter and start "gunning" down others reports, that would make him very un-popular and thus I don't think anyone would love to hang around with him. Since he is a Mr. "Know it all", why does he need to hang out with anyone any ways? He do not even need to read the board, Just roll into any town and bang away!

The board members appreciate members who love to share their experiences and information on place which they had been to. Members also hate people to use the board like a Helpdesk; a lot of time and money was spent by members to put up these posts and if they do not like to Read them, and use this like a chat board than no-one else will like to post anything on the board anymore.

The worst members of the kind will be those who not only do not contributes but spent their time posting faming others members.

Some of your information posted in your post was great! For example: About that Xiao Lin mama in which you had hit the nail on the head! Warn any others to stay away from that girl and her mama. This is what we needed on the board Information! Not bragging or faming.

AG

Seamaster
01-04-07, 07:28
Dear fellow members,

Hi all! I'm new to this forum and would love to contribute soon. Following the recent painful break up with my gf (right before new year), I decided to go to Dong Guan this month (either 12th-14th Jan or 18th-21st Jan) to ease my trouble.

A couple of my buddies will be joining me this trip and are hoping that we can get some advice or even better company from experienced forum members to the said places. We're from Malaysia, very easy going and friendly (don't speak much mandarin unfortunately).

So please lend a brother a hand. Thank you all!

Pointpanic
01-04-07, 10:32
Hi Lenny, Your pin for the Miraton is actually on the Hui Hua. Miraton is on the corner. You have the entrance to the Catacombs precisely with the pathways extending to the East on your map. Thanks for posting the Google Earth Map. The next exercise should be a pin to JiaYi's Taoyuan Recreation City! Its up by the Versailles' Amazon. Keep up the good work.
Please note the direction of North on this map.

Pointpanic
01-04-07, 11:23
Your report is very detailed and accurate and should help many members. Having just left CP on Dec 7 and chatted with some of the HKers in the SilverStar your observations are excellent. Though I did not see the outside entance to the shop above the restaurant across from the Yalan Hotel. I thought their selection was excellent and immediatlely took one back to the HuiHua for a very nice quicky. JiaYi girls have been outstanding and would do multiples of them again. Your format is fine. Keep up the good work you lucky dog! (Wow, only 20 minutes away!)
Day 1 (TH) Arrival; first shopping tour; first night in CP

Cp is only a 20 min cab ride away from where I live (ZMT), but never went there. So I took the chance to meet Crazier there and went to CP and the whole trip went un-expected.

Checked-in at Miraton, went with Crazier to Yalan for a shopping tour. First stop was above the restaurant across Yalan Hotel. This floor is now a KTV link and what I saw it should be possible to go upstairs through a side entrance (on the right side) of the restaurant and not through the restaurant, which makes a little bit "comfortable" for some of us. Including me.

The selection was not bad from my POV. As Laowai I am not just walking in, pointing at a girl, pay and leave with (or without the girl when she will come to the room later). I take some minutes to observe the selection what many times is not easy, because the mamas want to push you to a girl or just doing other things with you and your "little brother".

When I look around I try to figure which of the girls is putting attention to me, start and keeping smiling. Then I start talking with these girls to get to know them a little bit better and to relax the situation. They know that we Laowais have a different size and so, many of them are scared. Through the talk with the girl I try to find out if she is too scared or just a little bit and curious too. I am more into GFE/LT as in the action itself, so I take this time. However, I found one, wrote her name on mamas card. I didn't book her, because I wanted to go to the other shops first.

Left the shop, went downstairs, waited outside and saw a group of Laowais and Asian looking guys in front of Yalan Hotel. One of them waved his hand, I waved back even I did not know these guys, they came over and one started asking us: "Do you know ISG? ". ISG? . Never heard of this. Hehe. It came out that we met OAH, Wadman, Santa and Bill Lee. After a short conversation, we continued our shopping tour split up, but we met not only one time during this afternoon tour in this area.

Crazier and I continued the tour which brought us also to Babys shop which was a little bit away from Yalan core scene. One girl there got my attention and Craziers too. Yes, it came out that we favor the same girls. Crazier booked this girl and I promised another cute one to take her another time, what I tried four times, but it seems that she left or whatever. Baby always told me a different kind of story. Blabla.

As I did not find any other girl which I really would like to have LT I went back to book my first selection. Crazier, I and Wadman, who came over later, had dinner with our girls before we went back to Miraton. The night with my girl was just "soso".

Day 2 (FR). The day I intended to leave; extending the stay; the day when HK mongers are arriving.

As I was impressed from the amount of girls and the night before was just "soso", I decided to extend for one (! ) night.

After breakfast with Crazier he showed me the shops behind HuiMei. We went to three shops and I found two in one shop and one in another shop. Kept their names on mamas card as we decided to have another tour at Yalan. Before we went to Yalan we had a look in "shop" at JiaMei hotel behind HuiMei next to the other shops, but the selection was not special.

Back to Yalan, our faces showed up, mamas surrounding us and pushing us to their shop. We went upstairs to one shop behind Yalan hotel. The selection was from my POV not bad but the three mamas where not given time to have a look and talks with the girls, they were a little bit aggressive and we decided to leave.

Went to other shops, but I can't find one which I would take, even there were some cuties and GFE looking girls, but they gave me a scared impression and I did not want to push it. I called one mama from a shop behind HuiMei to book one the two girls I would like to have as I did not expect anything else at Yalan.

Finally we went to the location behind Yalan hotel where two shops a located in a big room. We went to the right one and there a young one approached me, gave me a gum and continued talking with me. As she was cute and a funny I decided to take her instead the other girls and called mama that I will not take her, because of. Blabla. Paid mama and told the girl to come over later.

Whole Yalan was flooded by HK mongers starting around 4/5pm. It's a strange and crazy view. Yalan during rush hour and big biz time.

When I arrived at Miraton she was already waiting as we were late. She was a real cute and funny girl and just arrived in CP two weeks before. As I had bad experiences before I talked with her what I would like to have or better said I would like to get from her. She was scared and refused e. G. BJ with the excuse she does not know how. I was starting thinking "not again, not again" and "Why I did not discuss this at the shop" but decided to give her a chance. I told her, in case she really does not know I do not have a problem to teach her, but she must have the will for it and in case she cheats me I will kick her out immediately. She said that she wants and so we had a slow first round without BJ. This round was unexpected a good one, for me and her.

After a break and late dinner I wanted to start the "education round", but she refused and said "tomorrow". This was too much for me, as I know this kind of game of "tomorrow". Yes, tomorrow is a new day and tomorrow you don't feel good or want to leave before sunrise. Forget it was my first thought and I am following in such situation this thought.

So I told her to leave and looked at her in an appropriate "angry" look. She became like paralyzed, her body was shaking and she started crying and this for more than an hour in total. Oh my goodness. "What did I? " was my first thought. As the whole thing and the way it happened it could not have been a show. A show you can keep for a short time, but this thing was more than an hour.

She started to say "I want to go home now" and repeated this every five minutes like a machine. From the first moment I told her that she can leave whenever she wants, but it seems that she was not able to leave. So I gave her time and started talking with her, tried to get some more background infos. I will not post anything what she told me, as many of you maybe will tell me that this was just a story or whatever. I don't know if it was, but within this situation I am not sure if you can be such a good actress for a long time, so I keep this a true story. We all know, that there is a story behind every girl doing this biz. This night I think I heard the one of this girl, lying paralyzed and crying in my bed. The whole time.

Anyhow, she left after more than an hour and I paid her full LT + cab ride without thinking twice about it.

Day 3 (SA). Checking out. And in; cheating girl and mama; happy end

Breakfast with Crazier, time to discuss what happened last night and I am checking out before noon. As Crazier invited me to his room for tea/coffee I stayed longr in CP and we had a nice conversation (thx Crazier). It's evening now, what to do. Oh no, I want to check in again.

Went down to check-in again and went up to my room for a shower. I called mama from a shop behind HuiMei and booked the girl which I booked on Day 2 but canceled. Headed to the shop to pay and picking up her for dinner with Crazier.

The girl was from my POV a nice one, but her attitude from the first moment was strange. She gave me the impression to be with her thoughts not present. During dinner she was pushing me to leave. After we paid and left the table she rushed out of the restaurant having a phone call. I did not give this a lot of attention. But I should have had. We went back to Miraton but not rushing it, passed the 7/1 shop to buy some stuff. She started pushing again to go to the room. I was thinking that she maybe want to be indoor quickly and told her to wait at the elevator for me. When I came to the elevators I saw her writing a SMS but again I did not give this a lot of attention. But I should have had. Went to the room and immediately when I closed the door she said "Wo xiang kan ta" (I want to see him) and pointed to my "little friend". I smiled and showed him the girl of the upcoming night. Immediately she started saying, no it was a kind of shouting, that he is so big and she will not do it. "What the hell is going on here? " I was thinking that this was the first kind of such "show". She told me to go with her to the shop to pick another one. But I refused to do this as I planned to go to pick up my CNY100. I called mama what happened and told her that will come over to get back the CNY100

She left and I called Crazier. I asked him to accompany me to pick up the deposit. On the way to the mama I called the mama of another shop in this alley to book one of the girl I saw on Day 2. As it was around 9pm and Saturday the chance that she was still available was not high, but she was and I booked her. I told mama that I have to pick up the deposit from another mama first.

Crazier also told me that, from his POV the girl has a weekend regular showing up and so cheating the whole thing to get rid off me. Now, I was realizing all the strange things before.

We arrived at the shop of this cheating mama but mama was not there. After another call and few minutes she came over. I told her again what happened and asked for my CNY100 back. She tried to force me to choose another girl which I refused and then she started telling me something about CNY50. This was the moment I decided to go on DEFCON Level 2 (Defence Control) as I am tired of this Chinese bullshit what the do with foreigners when money is in the game/discussion. I told her. It was more in a level of shouting. To give back the CNY100. She continued telling me something about CNY50 and I was continuously saying "100, I am not here to chat with you, 100, 100, I am not here to chat with you, 100, 100, . ". After around 15 minutes she gave me CNY100 which I took after checking it was a real or fake note.

For the records:

Name of cheating mamasan: ? , Xiao Lin, 134 33001933; see attached scan of her card

Name of cheating girl: Ai Hua from Hubei, 19

After this intermezzo I and the mama of my new girl left the scene so I can hook up with the girl away from the scene. Unexpected she was smiling and had a very friendly attitude from the first moment on. On the way back Crazier recommended to change the room as we don't know what is going on in the brain of these people. Crazier gave my girl accompany and I rushed back to the hotel. Explained the situation to the AM on duty and I got a new room. AM David was very friendly, like all the staff at Miraton, attended me to bring my stuff from my old room to the new one. In front of the new room my "new" girl was already waiting as I send Crazier a SMS with my new room number.

The following night was the happy end of this day. The girl was like a GF from the first moment and we both enjoyed the night. It was wonderful. A real happy end.

Summary/Recommendation about the cheating girl and her mama: The entertainment areas of South China are over flooded by HK mongers between FR evening and Sunday Evening, additionally during holidays in HK. I am sure that I would not have had the troubles with this girl and her mama too during weekdays. During weekend you have to deal with the fact that regulars of girls are coming and they pay sometimes more or do whatever, so the girls want to stay with them. I recommend to stay away from these areas when you are not known as a regular customer of a girl or at least her mama. But the girls will tell you any excuse to get rid of you. From ZMT I know that weekend is rush hour and big biz time for girls and mamas. The girls do not want LT, they want ST and this as short as possible. The girls will refuse you or not putting attention on you, when you want LT. Weekend is big biz time in South China entertainment areas. And not only there.

I collected on my last day in CP names of girls which I will try to book during my next stay/visit in CP. This stay/visit will be during weekdays. On weekends only when I in accompany with other friends and I have a girl and know that she is not cheating me. A regular one.

The trouble with her mama is a bad behavior of her, the well known short-view thinking of many Chinese people. They want all your money now and not thinking about a longterm relation. She lost at least two customers.

M2c

Day 4 (SU, New Year Eve). Checking out. And in again; 2nd night with my happy end from the day before

After breakfast with Crazier I checked out and headed with Crazier for a foot massage at HuiHua hotel next to Miraton. After the massage I called my taxi from ZMT to pick me up at Miraton.

Around 5pm a friend called me and asked what I will do on this New Year Eve evening. I said, that I just came back from three days CP and don't have anything scheduled. He told me that some of our friends will go to Lion KTV in CP and asked me if I want to come. Hmm. CP again. Oh my goodness. I said yes, we arranged a pick-up time.

I am not anymore in KTV, as I don't know why I should pay 500/800 for something I can get cheaper and mostly better other where. So, I decided to book the girl from last night again. I called her, explained the situation (going to KTV and so), she said yes, I called Miraton to book a room again.

My friend picked me up and brought me to Miraton, where the staff welcomed me with a big, big smile. "Long time not see. ". Checked-in for one (! ) night, stored my bag in the room, my girl was already waiting at the lobby and we went to Lion KTV. KTV was fun, because I had a gril I know. Played teh dice game, drank some turns of beers, my girl enjoyed singing. She was happy and so I was happy too. After midnight we went back to Miraton, my friend was staying at Lion KTV longer.

The following second night with her was wonderful again, with a touch more happiness.

Day 5 (MO, New Year Day). Extending the stay; the arrival of "Seniors".

During breakfast #4 with Crazier Wadman sent me a SMS, that he, OAH, Bill Lee, Santa and AG will come to CP this afternoon. Hmm. I really wanted to stay only one night again. Ok. It comes, as it comes. Headed to the front desk and extended for one night. This was done with a big smile by the staff.

Anyhow, I had a problem: I was running out of coffee, good fresh grinded coffee from my home country. So, I decided to head back to ZMT to fill up my coffee box. Called my taxi, back in my apartment, back to CP. Ready for action. Call me whatever you want, but I need my portion (s) of coffee everyday. "Seniors Members" need girls, I am a "Regular Member". So have to deal with coffee until I am "senior". : D

After the whole group. AG, OAH, Santa, Wadman, Bill Lee, Crazier and I. Was settled at Miraton we headed to Yalan. We split up to make the hunt a little bit easier for us and the mamas. I was not really in the mood to hunt a new girl, as the girl form my last two nights were still in my head, but finally settled in one of a shop next to the SilverStar KTV link. The left shop with Jenny as mama.

She came to my room, we chatted a bit and showered then. As I am more in GF type girls I try to find out if the girl is in this kind of "service" by DATY her. She was a bit scared but let it go and it seemed that she enjoyed it. Then it was time to "serve" me and she went with her head down for a blow job not forgetting to put the blanket over her head. "What the hell is going on now? , Do you want to give me a fake BJ? " where my thoughts. I put the blanket away but she put it over her head again and I started to become angry. After less then two minutes she stopped whatever she did under the blanket moved her head beside the bed and spit on the floor. "Stop, Stop. This is too much for me! " were my though and I asked her in an appropriate manner "Where do you think are? ".

During this a SMS from Wadman showed up on my phone, I took the "chance" to send a reply and also send a SMS to my girl from the last two nights asking if she is available, as I decided in this moment not to keep the girl on my bed for LT. After this I wanted to do the deed, my little friend was a little bit off strong shape after the SMS work, but strong enough for a condom. I pulled it on and wanted to enter her when she pulled the blanked over her head. I looked around 30 secs at this situation. My friend ready to enter, her face covered by the blanket. I put teh blanked away and asked what the problem is. She answered that I am angry, yes I am angry and decided to stop the action. Pulled the condom of and said sent her out.

Cleaned up the bathroom/room and called the mama of my regular girl to send her over. She arrived and the situation changed from strange to a normal. With my girl and the other guys we went for Dinner. Only AG showed up with a girl too.

After Dinner Crazier and I decided to go to the American Bar across of Miraton. We settled in the more silent area, the two girls played pool billiard together, we chatted with the bar manager from Philippines, a friend of Crazier showed up, live bands from Philippines were playing. It was from my POV a very nice time.

Around midnight we headed to our rooms. The third night with my girl was again a very good one.

Day 6 (TU). Final check out; relaxing remaining time in CP

I canceled breakfast as I wanted to stay with my girl as long as possible. Before noon I checked out, stored my bag at the hotel and headed with the guys for foot massage at the massage link of HuiMei hotel (across the hotel, right hand of Virgin hotel sauna). After chatting and joking with the massage girls, Bill, Santa and I left Wadman and AG who decided to add another massage time.

Bill lead me to the catacombs of CP. Was an impressive tour, to see how the locals men are satisfying their sex urge. Some nice looking girls their, but the environment.

After this we all went to Yalan for shopping. As I was not staying overnight anymore I just wrote down the name of girls I would like to have the next time. Got a good selection and will try to meet them soon.

After the shopping tour we went back to Miraton and I had a short relaxing time at Miratons lobby. It's always great to sit next to the elevators for watching girls, getting their attention and phone numbers. Sometime it's like a continously line-up. Later, we. Except Crazier, who had another appointment. Headed for dinner. During Dinner Bill decided to have a look at JiaYi (Bill, TaoYuan in English: D). So we headed to JiaYi being confrontated that they will show us the girls only when we book a room with a minimum charge of CNY380 (when I remember right, please correct me guys). As many of us won't pay to see girls, we left and walked to Amazon. AG arranged that we can have a look at the flower street.

Arrived at Amazon, the flower street was small. Just something around 40 girls. After we showed up, some girls approached me and Santa. Bill and Santa took a bath within the girls, I stayed beside the scene with two girls hanging on my arms, but after a while they realized that we will not stay. So, after a while we left the flower street, Santa with a bunch of girls. Hehe. I had the impression that he would like to stay.

Short note about Amazon from my POV:

I like the environment more than other KTVs. JiaYi, after what I could see during my two short visits, is too "clean". Like many other KTVs. Of course when you reduce your demands for a KTV to girls, drinks and so on, then every KTV will do it. I need something more to cross the inner border to stay and select a girl at a KTV, something Amazon maybe can give me. But I never tried it. Will try it, with the right group, otherwise it does not make fun.

After this we headed back to Miraton. I picked-up my bag, they other guys were heading to a sauna link, I was waiting for my cab.

Summary:

One night became five nights. It was a great time with all the other guys. Thx for your support and accompany. Hope to meet you in CP or wherever again. As I live just 20min from CP away. The mamas will see me again very soon.

LW

PS: Please give feedback in case you would like to have such a long report split into many small ones. Thx

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Ace Gallant
01-04-07, 12:23
Hi Lenny, Your pin for the Miraton is actually on the Hui Hua. Miraton is on the corner. You have the entrance to the Catacombs precisely with the pathways extending to the East on your map. Thanks for posting the Google Earth Map. The next exercise should be a pin to JiaYi's Taoyuan Recreation City! Its up by the Versailles' Amazon. Keep up the good work.

Yes that is correct. That's the building with a dome on top of the roof.

AG

Laowai123
01-04-07, 12:29
@ all

I just reviewd my report and I have to apologize. Apologize the amount of grammar mistakes/typos (too less coffee to think, hehehe).

I also realized that the report is not anymore in the format I put it and could see in the "Preview". Instead of bold letters we can see only the code for it with an added letter "e". The section "Summary/Recommendation..." should be underlined and it was in the preview. Furthermore all the smilies are not anymore there, all other format styles like "..." and so on also disappeared. Points/Period are there where there where non in the preview and so on.

Ok, I do not know why, I think I did not read something in the FAQ, Rules or wherever. Maybe somebody can give me a hint how to write in bold letters and so on or at least can give me a hint/link where I can find the information.

@ AG

Thanks for your nice words! The part about girls and coffee was written as a humor not as a serious one, but I think after we met you already caught the point.

LW

Happy Lenny
01-04-07, 16:35
Hi Lenny, Your pin for the Miraton is actually on the Hui Hua. Miraton is on the corner. You have the entrance to the Catacombs precisely with the pathways extending to the East on your map. Thanks for posting the Google Earth Map. The next exercise should be a pin to JiaYi's Taoyuan Recreation City! Its up by the Versailles' Amazon. Keep up the good work.Ok I think the corrections I made on the map are now accurate. Miraton is the one on the corner with the dome.

I would be happy to post more maps, but don't know the location of - JiaYi's Taoyuan Recreation City!

Laowai123
01-04-07, 17:20
On the way back from CP to ZMT I told my driver to show me in HuangJiang where BBS are located. He brought me to two areas, but only one seems to be active, very active.

This active BBS area is located south of Windsor Hotel and I counted at least 15 shops, but the typical "red" lights could be seen in the alleys. Please see attached picture to find the way to this area.

Like in ZMT the shops are like "normal" shops and open to the street and so the girls are also suffering from cold weather outside. The girls in CP can be lucky to be in a closed room, even some rooms are everything else than comfortable.

I did not stop and checked the selections as I was just checking the area. And frequent BBS visitor will know that selections in shops can vary from day to day, during "rush hour" from hour to hour. Furthermore everybody has its own favor.

The area is located in a public area with a lot of small restaurants and "normal" shops, so be prepared that locals are starring at you when being in this area. As this area is a little bit away from the main streets I highly recommend to not go there alone, take somebody with you.

The best way in is the way following the dotted white line from the main streets.

Huangjiang is next to CP and ZMT. Many Japanese and Korean restaurants can be found there. I already visited the Japanese restaurant at Gold Joy Hotel (left side) and can recommend it.

CP - Changping
ZMT - ZhangMuTou

hth

LW

Rising Son
01-05-07, 00:43
Thanks for the advice, everyone. Due to circumstances beyond my control, I've had to postpone my trip for a week, which gives me time to get the visa in the States.

Looking forward to meeting some of you soon.

RS

Cappy
01-05-07, 04:00
Thanks to all for the efforts and good work put into creating the CP/Catacombs maps and directions:

I wish to make three suggestions, if I may be allowed:
1. May I suggest putting in a pin for the McDonald's restaurant approximately two blocks from the catacombs entrance. It may help some punters to find their way around the area or fortify themselves for the outing.

2. I haven't seen any mention of, or credit given to Cronin, the great discoverer and master-monger of the Catacombs and S. China. Dalai Cronin has posted many wonderful references including first ever pictures of the Catacombs and opened up these hallowed lanes to the west. A careful searth (RTFM) of ISG is advised in order to appreciate the true context of these parts and work of Lao Cronin.

3. If Cronin's magical tales and the recent rash of postings still leave one yearning for more details, we're announcing today that I'm taking bookings and renting out Santa for linguistically correct, guided tours of the Catacombs. For a starting price of as little as 200rmb we will provide you with a mystical death-defying tour of the grounds. (one pop included)
We'll try to bring you back alive. Chocolate shake included (small)

Cap



Ok I think the corrections I made on the map are now accurate. Miraton is the one on the corner with the dome.

I would be happy to post more maps, but don't know the location of - JiaYi's Taoyuan Recreation City!

Fast Eddie 48
01-05-07, 04:26
Thanks for the advice, everyone. Due to circumstances beyond my control, I've had to postpone my trip for a week, which gives me time to get the visa in the States.

Looking forward to meeting some of you soon.

RS



hey rising son

Are you for real you been postpone your trip for over a year are you really going this time .


fast eddie 48

Fast Eddie 48
01-05-07, 04:33
On the way back from CP to ZMT I told my driver to show me in HuangJiang where BBS are located. He brought me to two areas, but only one seems to be active, very active.

This active BBS area is located south of Windsor Hotel and I counted at least 15 shops, but the typical "red" lights could be seen in the alleys. Please see attached picture to find the way to this area.

Like in ZMT the shops are like "normal" shops and open to the street and so the girls are also suffering from cold weather outside. The girls in CP can be lucky to be in a closed room, even some rooms are everything else than comfortable.

I did not stop and checked the selections as I was just checking the area. And frequent BBS visitor will know that selections in shops can vary from day to day, during "rush hour" from hour to hour. Furthermore everybody has its own favor.

The area is located in a public area with a lot of small restaurants and "normal" shops, so be prepared that locals are starring at you when being in this area. As this area is a little bit away from the main streets I highly recommend to not go there alone, take somebody with you.

The best way in is the way following the dotted white line from the main streets.

Huangjiang is next to CP and ZMT. Many Japanese and Korean restaurants can be found there. I already visited the Japanese restaurant at Gold Joy Hotel (left side) and can recommend it.

CP - Changping
ZMT - ZhangMuTou

hth

LW


to LW

All member becareful about this place it is run by the local chinese mob and the girl all have bad attitude and service many are from factory force into this by the mob , I first find this place 3 yr ago after a big crack down in 2004
never been back cost is cheaper 120 rmb at the shop and quality is not as good as yalan area in cp .

fast eddie 48

Ace Gallant
01-05-07, 05:40
3. If Cronin's magical tales and the recent rash of postings still leave one yearning for more details, we're announcing today that I'm taking bookings and renting out Santa for linguistically correct, guided tours of the Catacombs. For a starting price of as little as 200rmb we will provide you with a mystical death-defying tour of the grounds. (one pop included)
We'll try to bring you back alive. Chocolate shake included (small)

Cap

This got to be a Joke right? Or are you suggesting that someone should make some money on the posted information of Catacombs?

You should know better that what lots of member from the board hate is someone who makes money from the information posted on the board. So you better clarify before you get lots of faming post coming your way.

BTW: Cronin's posts are not Magical Tales. They are facts.

AG

Ace Gallant
01-05-07, 05:45
to LW

All member becareful about this place it is run by the local chinese mob and the girl all have bad attitude and service many are from factory force into this by the mob , I first find this place 3 yr ago after a big crack down in 2004
never been back cost is cheaper 120 rmb at the shop and quality is not as good as yalan area in cp .

fast eddie 48

Eddie,

Guangdong is full of mobs. All the major hotels in CP are owned by Gangsters, Mafias etc. Shenzhen Sha Tsui KTVs are all closed by the police because the mobsters did not want to pay the police off anymore.

Yes, good that you mention and warn others about that but, I think we should not be over paranoid about it or else, it takes the fun out of mongering right?

Enjoy!
AG

Rising Son
01-05-07, 07:40
Hi, Eddie --

Yeah, I'm for real. On New Year's Day, my appendix went bad. Had surgery about 1 AM on the 2nd and need an extra week to recover before the long flight. I'm going to Bangkok on the 22nd of this month and then to Phnom Pehn and then to Shenzhen-ChangPing on the 4th of March.

So maybe I'll see you in CP between the 4th and the 16th of March.

RS

Pointpanic
01-05-07, 12:12
Here are some photos. First is entrance to Catacombs and Hui Hua to the left and Meriton to the right of the second picture.


Ok I think the corrections I made on the map are now accurate. Miraton is the one on the corner with the dome.

I would be happy to post more maps, but don't know the location of - JiaYi's Taoyuan Recreation City!

Happy Lenny
01-05-07, 19:53
It is not worth to zoom in on this map, it will become blury.

Actually, I've never been in DoungGaun, ChangPing, or Huang Jiang.

This map was compiled from data after I RTFF. Hope this helps those new to the area.

Happy

Eddylane
01-06-07, 11:44
I went to CP a number of times but only tried BBS girls. I always have the impression the KTVs are for business people and very expensive. For the seasoned KTVs mongers, besides the 2,5,8 rates, do you have to pay for the room rate, and the drinks? If you do, how much are they typically, say in Hui Hua or JiaYi? Will appreciate your information. Thanks.

Eddy

Laowai123
01-06-07, 12:57
I went to CP a number of times but only tried BBS girls. I always have the impression the KTVs are for business people and very expensive. For the seasoned KTVs mongers, besides the 2,5,8 rates, do you have to pay for the room rate, and the drinks? If you do, how much are they typically, say in Hui Hua or JiaYi? Will appreciate your information. Thanks.

EddyRoom charge depends on room size and starts somewhere around 300/400 upwards. Sorry, do not have actual figures of these two joints.

But there are additional charges. Please read these report for details:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=404789

Another report for general information:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=469186

LW

Crazier
01-06-07, 13:10
I went to CP a number of times but only tried BBS girls. I always have the impression the KTVs are for business people and very expensive. For the seasoned KTVs mongers, besides the 2,5,8 rates, do you have to pay for the room rate, and the drinks? If you do, how much are they typically, say in Hui Hua or JiaYi? Will appreciate your information. Thanks.

Eddy


For the KTVs, it is a business (with the investment in rent, deco, renovations and hardware) & they obviously have to generate sales volume on you or they would go bust right?

Businessmen obviously do entertain in KTVs but that would not preclude mongers having fun either. Compared to many cities in and outside China, CP's KTV expenses are CHEAP AND AFFORDABLE esp if you have a group to split costs with.

In Jiayi, they have the small room where the minimum spend (on food & drinks ) is 388 yuans. Also the mid -sized rooms at about 680 yuans. And so on. A bottle of Chivas is approximately 680 yuans so its not that expensive if you do drink. I am not sure what the prices of other drinks are as I hardly order other drinks myself.
(above prices approximates since I do not remember exactly what the prices are despite having been a few times)

Fruits and other food obviously give them good margins of profits.
If you brief the KJ to control your orders, it will be OK.

You need to tip the KJs 200 yuans or a little more for the evening's work.

Overall, if you have 3-4 guys to split the costs, its not a bank breaker provided you like hanging around in a room playing dice, drinking and listening to other people singing and indulging in some yourself.

Crazier
01-06-07, 14:46
LW123.,

Nice detailed FR with your inner thoughts expressed clearly. I really enjoyed mongering with you those days that we were there in CP and look forward to more in the future if we have an opportunity.

From my perspective, it was very nice to run into our “International Crew” of ISGs at the Yalan and get together thereafter. Happy New year again to all!

I was also very impressed that your Chinese vocabulary was way better than mine & your huge willingness to speak with locals made for an enjoyable time out.

Also appreciate that you went & took the trouble to check out HJ so soon on your way back from CP to ZMT & posted a good map for us to follow in your tracks.

Here are my thoughts having spent some time together with you & now reading the FR. (no negativity intended here).

Both of us seem to make a beeline for the “newbie” (young girls without make up etc). Those kinds of girls we end up picking do not usually correlate well with the skills & adventurous sexual stuff that you consider as part & parcel of their job.

Quite often, their early initiation into sex in their village with their boyfriends are more “wham bang thank you mamm” from what I know.

1) The mamasan & the girl (as pushed by the mamasan) will always tell you that they will be willing to do everything before you take them out & hope to get away with less.

2) Remembering that this is firstly a HKers playground, their needs are perhaps more simple & less demanding than some of the more experienced & adventurous INTERNATIONAL PLAYERS who are now visiting CP. Most of the Asians incl HKers and people from Singapore that I know prefer GFE & good sex but less of the stuff you see on pornos such as heavy BBBJs & cunninglingess

“Breaking in a newbie girl into the “Joys of Sex” is often a tedious affair & unless its done right, she may never truly enjoy all that you want to enjoy mutually with her!

If what you want is the full range of “Sex on a Menu” perhaps, you want to change your picks to the older & more experienced girls. (But visually, they are less desirable for you too I know).

Otherwise, you may want to modify your expectations & bear with the less experienced girls & learn to break them in “one trick at a time”? Where you are lucky to meet someone who takes to sex naturally, its just your good luck I believe.

As for crying & sad stories, there are enough of them around with each & every girl. I do not encourage anyone from getting mentally involved in their trials & tribulations or there would be no end. You were indeed generous and more than fair to give her the full LT fee despite the lack of personal satisfaction!

The girl who “ran out on you” because you were “BIG” was total bullshit alright.

What you did was right in demanding the money back from the Mamasan except that I would have myself been just as firm without speaking as loudly or threatening to call the Cong An.

Mamasan knows for sure her girl was wrong & will give you the money once she realizes that you will not settle for less.

As OAH explained, her commission of 100yuans would have been shared numerous ways & when she had to refund to you, it was a loss for her too! All she had to understand was that your frustration & loss was bigger than hers in terms of time, & other expenses. The fact that she was unable to offer a girl that was reliable & not a runner is HER FAULT not yours!

There was no need to threaten her. That is why I felt there was a need to change your room back in your hotel just to be safe in case she wanted to take revenge for the humiliation in public.

Good that you posted her name card & telephone number here. We can delete her from our list of Mamis to patronize & that is the best punishment!

Your replacement girl (from another mami) turned out to be a gem of a GFE for you & willing to do most of the things you want. In that respect, your luck finally turned in your favour & you actually kept her 3 nights in a row. Not unusual considering that you had “bad” girls before and after her.

The other new girl from Jenny’s house in Yalan who was hiding under the blanket & spitting on the floor turned out to be BAD again for you & you kicked her out quite rightly.

“Fake Blow Job”
Hahah, if a girl can fake it so good, I would want to experience it. I think you were a mite too impatient. I would have let her carry on & took it from there!

As for spitting on the floor of your room, it would not be the first time I have experienced such raw uncouth acts in China. My ex GF in Zhuhai was spitting on the floor of a fine restaurant where we were & I was truly shamed & taken aback. I had to explain to her how unbecoming it was. Ultimately, she LOST ME after that incident! But, I still stayed the course of dinner & enjoyed it too plus the sex after for all of two trips before I dumped her!

These girls are truly from the village & uneducated in the ways of us modern folks. No need to shout at them. Rather to explain to them that if they want to spit, they should do it in the toilet bowl or into a properly line trash-can & why! And, ask her to clean up the spitting in a nice way! At least, it helps me understand why my HK friend insists on wearing slippers in the hotel’s room instead of walking around barefoot like me!

Anyway, the series of your bad experiences with her did not help obviously.

As for her pulling a blanket over her head when you wanted to fuck, that’s an interesting reaction. Considering that it’s the second time she was doing it (first the blow job & then the fuck job) perhaps, she truly cannot bear to be looked at by a man while getting fucked or giving a BJ!

You are so handsome, I wonder why she wanted to cover her face when you were going to poke her! Sadly, you did not find out if she was a good fuck !
Patience my friend, patience.

My comments here is to give you my inputs & thoughts so that you can enjoy the women of China in CP, ZMT or anywhere better!

It was very nice for us to have met up finally & mongered together there with some of the ISGers! None of us get all the right girls each and every time!

If we have 3 very good girls for every 10 we pull, its 10% better than the average of 2 out of every 10! Remember the 20-80 rule?

Meantime, Happy Mongering and a Great NY 07 to all here!

Laowai123
01-06-07, 18:57
Crazier,

Many thanks for your feedback! For me there is no "negative" feedback, just feedback how other people see me and so the chance to correct negative things.


LW123.

Both of us seem to make a beeline for the “newbie” (young girls without make up etc). Those kinds of girls we end up picking do not usually correlate well with the skills & adventurous sexual stuff that you consider as part & parcel of their job.

Quite often, their early initiation into sex in their village with their boyfriends are more “wham bang thank you mamm” from what I know. I know that from such a "natural" looking girl, who in most time is a newbie on scene, I can not get the whole sex menu and I can live with it as I am more into GFE. E.g., three weeks ago I ran into a girl in one of the BBS here in ZMT; the night, the action was like "monkey sex" and I was really exhausted the next days. But, I don't want this again, at least now. I was missing something during this night, something what my "regular" in CP gave me three nights.

Concerning "wham bang thank you mamm", you maybe remember that when I talk with the girls I mostly ask them if the want/like the chinese version of sex - "ah-ah-ah-ah-mei dan" - or the western (my) version - "aaaaaaaahh-aaaaaaaahh", the "feeling" experience. Of course the girls were laughing about this, saying that they like the western version, but I know that mostly all of them, even not all, are not looking for western/feeling sex, it's an awful biz and the goal is "get out as much as possible within short time!".


1) The mamasan & the girl (as pushed by the mamasan) will always tell you that they will be willing to do everything before you take them out & hope to get away with less.That's a kind of "marketing" and who would not do it. As a foreigner I have their excuse for less or bad service hanging/standing with me.C'est la vie.


Otherwise, you may want to modify your expectations & bear with the less experienced girls & learn to break them in “one trick at a time”? Where you are lucky to meet someone who takes to sex naturally, its just your good luck I believe.That's part of this "game", that's the reason why I take my time to get to know the girls as much as possible within short time in the shop. With good and bad experiences you get your "nose" to start talking with the right one, but in this biz there is always space and time for surprises - good and bad ones.
I wrote down three girl on my last day and "it comes, as it comes" the next time in CP (pre-condition these girls are still there or not on one week off).


As for crying & sad stories, there are enough of them around with each & every girl. I do not encourage anyone from getting mentally involved in their trials & tribulations or there would be no end. You were indeed generous and more than fair to give her the full LT fee despite the lack of personal satisfaction!At least this night has for me a good end now, because she called me today, we are talking with each other - nothing better can happen after such sitaution.


The girl who “ran out on you” because you were “BIG” was total bullshit alright.

What you did was right in demanding the money back from the Mamasan except that I would have myself been just as firm without speaking as loudly or threatening to call the Cong An.

Mamasan knows for sure her girl was wrong & will give you the money once she realizes that you will not settle for less.

As OAH explained, her commission of 100yuans would have been shared numerous ways & when she had to refund to you, it was a loss for her too! All she had to understand was that your frustration & loss was bigger than hers in terms of time, & other expenses. The fact that she was unable to offer a girl that was reliable & not a runner is HER FAULT not yours!

There was no need to threaten her. That is why I felt there was a need to change your room back in your hotel just to be safe in case she wanted to take revenge for the humiliation in public.Thanks for this feedback of the situation from your POV. I also was thinking a short moment, that my reaction was not a proper one. But after my experiences here in China with things like "losing your face" and the fact that this cost me a lot of money in NE China, I am now seeing such situations from my POV of a foreigner.

In case I humiliated her in public, I only can ask "Why was she forcing it? Why was she not given back the money after I demanded it and refused another girl?". I don't know if you ever watched such money or problem related situation between chinese people, what you could see was harmless. It was harmless, because I know that I am a guest in this country and so have to settle this problem with "words" only. This doesn't mean that I would have done it in another way. I am far away from this and leaving the scene before it comes to such situation.

Furthermore, I am not part of their background biz. I don't know and can't take care what is going on behind the scene. They have to settle this problem themselves with the girl, who was the trigger for this situation.

We are good regular "customers" when the service is satisfying us, the girls service and/or mamas service. They have to learn this. Remember the situation in one of the other shops in this alley on my last day when you, Bill and I went for a shopping tour there. When doing biz, for many, many chinese people there is only "win-lose", never "win-win". In the past I was on the "lose" side, lost my part, and don't want to be there anymore (I can not avoid it totally).

Anyway, many thanks that you accompanied me. Alone, I think I would have given up after a short while, because as foreigner and being alone you don't have a good position in such situation and location.

But what I can tell you is, that in case I will have such situation again, I will try to settle it without being on DEFCON 2 myself. Never say never again, maybe the next time when I have such situation, mama knows what is going on.


The other new girl from Jenny’s house in Yalan who was hiding under the blanket & spitting on the floor turned out to be BAD again for you & you kicked her out quite rightly.

“Fake Blow Job”

Hahah, if a girl can fake it so good, I would want to experience it. I think you were a mite too impatient. I would have let her carry on & took it from there!

As for spitting on the floor of your room, it would not be the first time I have experienced such raw uncouth acts in China. My ex GF in Zhuhai was spitting on the floor of a fine restaurant where we were & I was truly shamed & taken aback. I had to explain to her how unbecoming it was. Ultimately, she LOST ME after that incident! But, I still stayed the course of dinner & enjoyed it too plus the sex after for all of two trips before I dumped her!

These girls are truly from the village & uneducated in the ways of us modern folks. No need to shout at them. Rather to explain to them that if they want to spit, they should do it in the toilet bowl or into a properly line trash-can & why! And, ask her to clean up the spitting in a nice way! At least, it helps me understand why my HK friend insists on wearing slippers in the hotel’s room instead of walking around barefoot like me!

Anyway, the series of your bad experiences with her did not help obviously.

As for her pulling a blanket over her head when you wanted to fuck, that’s an interesting reaction. Considering that it’s the second time she was doing it (first the blow job & then the fuck job) perhaps, she truly cannot bear to be looked at by a man while getting fucked or giving a BJ!Impatient or not impatient. Concerning the behavior of spitting on the floor, explaining why we don't want this does not really help is at least my experience. In this specific case I was also not in a good mood after the "can you imagine what i am doing under the blanket with you friend"-show. So, I decided it was time for a "boot camp" experience for her. If this was good or not, I really don't know, at least I did not kick her out with empty hands.

I have to admit that my "behavior" in a paid sex situation here in China is shaped from bad experiences during the first time here in China (NE CN), when I did not speak Chinese and not knowing the local rules.

One of this experience is, that when the girl sees/feels that you don't know what is going on, what are the local rules and have a "heart" you are lost. I still have a "heart" but I think to know what is going on.

So I was more than surprised and happy to meet this wonderful girl on Saturday evening after the trouble with this Mama and I gave it back to her in the way she accompanied me three evenings/nights.


My comments here is to give you my inputs & thoughts so that you can enjoy the women of China in CP, ZMT or anywhere better!As I already wrote above, I really appreciate your feedback and hope to meet you again, whenever and wherever.

Wish you nice stays in Thailand, KL and wherever you will be before you come back to CN.

Thanks also to OAH (unfortunately only for short times), AG, Bill, Santa and Wadman for accompany, showing me new places (HuiMei Massage will be visited again, don't worry AG I don't have the number of your "PM" in mind), having fun together.

LW

Fast Eddie 48
01-07-07, 02:01
New 5 star hotel just open in Dalang town in Dongguan 30 min drive from CP 468 room starting at 600 rmb a night , friend of my was there yesterday he told me the foriegn businessman club a large buliding next to the hotel with ktv and sauna inside girl is hot many model price start at 1000 rmb for LT.

Try to tell book a room there for next month for a few night , if any one have
been there let me know about the service in their sauna .


fast eddie 48





Here is the info on the new 5 star place in Dongguan my friend in Hong kong is there last night new ktv have some very hot model very expensive over 200 girl .

http://www.sinohotel.com/hotel/hotel.html;jsessionid=43548669205E3621C121BF84379F3C3A?hid=3255

fast eddie 48

OldAsiaHand
01-07-07, 04:45
Even after living in China over 10 years, I feel that the locals still think we are leaving tomorrow, no matter how long we stay or how well we speak the language. I believe that this thinking is what drives their short term business attitude towards us. When I compare notes with my Asian monger counterparts, it seems that they get better service more often, are quoted standard prices and not hassled for extra money by the girls as much.

I'm told by providers that all foreigners have huge cocks, can last for hours and are rich. This is why we should pay more money. On the other hand, I'm told that local punters never last more than 5 minutes. Whateve the real case may be, foreign mongers are discriminated against because of this. How many times have I heard, "You are a laowai, of course, you should pay more!"?

I just take all of this in stride and only do business with those providers that treat me fairly. I insist on the same level of service for the same money. If they do not agree or try to rip me off, I just walk. I only pay an extra tip for extraordinary service after the fact and almost never cave to requests for extra money otherwise. I must admit that I do lose some opportunities to do some very hot girls sometimes, but I am happier overall.

Just my POV.

OAH

Crazier
01-07-07, 05:24
LW.,

As you posted,
"At least this night has for me a good end now, because she called me today, we are talking with each other - nothing better can happen after such sitaution. "

See, it does pay to be kind sometimes!

The way you are extensively interviewing (and booking them), the next time I go back to CP or HJ etc, I need not make a tour of the BBSs.

All I need is your little black book of notes and working down your list! Saves me time and all the girls properly QCd for all the skills of good sex!

I've been a good boy since returning to bangkok. Only one girl, a regular who likes to watch porn video in my room, esp videos that she has done with me of herself! Last two nights, I have been GOOD!

Cheers and have a good weekend!

C.

Laowai123
01-07-07, 11:16
Attached you will find a zipped ".kmz" file for Google Earth. D/l it and open it in Google Earth. Then you will find all important and known places (from my side) in CP.

Most of the spots I know from a visit, some came out of mind, so please feel free to correct me. Please send corrections and/or information about other spots via PM! When sending me information about a missing or new spot, please send the coordinates and some additional info when available, thx.

Actually I need information about the location of Swan Lake Hotel as I am not sure if it was this hotel which offers a girl from there KTV and a room for three hours for CNY250 total (if I am not wrong) mentioned by OAH, AG and Wadman during the last CP trip.

Please feel free to find mistakes and send corrections via PM. I will keep this file up-dated and you can the latest one when searching for "CP-Locations-ISG-Google" in this sub-forum.

I hope this file will support some of you during your time in CP.

CP-Location-ISG-Google v1, 20070107

LW

Eddylane
01-07-07, 11:47
For the KTVs, it is a business (with the investment in rent, deco, renovations and hardware) & they obviously have to generate sales volume on you or they would go bust right?

Businessmen obviously do entertain in KTVs but that would not preclude mongers having fun either. Compared to many cities in and outside China, CP's KTV expenses are CHEAP AND AFFORDABLE esp if you have a group to split costs with.

In Jiayi, they have the small room where the minimum spend (on food & drinks ) is 388 yuans. Also the mid -sized rooms at about 680 yuans. And so on. A bottle of Chivas is approximately 680 yuans so its not that expensive if you do drink. I am not sure what the prices of other drinks are as I hardly order other drinks myself.
(above prices approximates since I do not remember exactly what the prices are despite having been a few times)

Fruits and other food obviously give them good margins of profits.
If you brief the KJ to control your orders, it will be OK.

You need to tip the KJs 200 yuans or a little more for the evening's work.

Overall, if you have 3-4 guys to split the costs, its not a bank breaker provided you like hanging around in a room playing dice, drinking and listening to other people singing and indulging in some yourself.

Thanks, Crazier and Laowei123. Your information is most helpful. May be we can have fun together. I plan to be in CP in the first weekend of February. PM me if interested.

Eddy

Azn Playa
01-07-07, 12:39
As OAH explained, her commission of 100yuans would have been shared numerous ways & when she had to refund to you, it was a loss for her too!



After scrolling through many posts here and using the search feature on OAH posts, I was unable to find this post you mention.

I have been wondering for a while what the 100RMB actually does pay for and how much goes to the mamasan. One of the touts on the street told me she gets 10RMB for each girl that is paid for by a monger. So that leaves 90RMB. Does anyone know if the girl gets any of this money or only the money you give her after the act?

As the girls in the Yalan Hotel area expect 100RMB after a ST, do many of you see the girl after hours on other days? (eg. before she starts work). I have done this a couple of times and because it was very close to the girl's starting time (i remember two separate girls said 2pm and 3pm start work) I still gave them 200RMB. They both looked very pleased to get the 200 and I certainly didnt want to short change them if they still had to pay the mama 100RMB.

The reason for my post is this: if you get a girl to visit after hours (and they seem to be eager to do this with the number of SMS and calls I receive when I am in CP) will she keep all of the money for herself and therefore should you try to pay less? If every monger pays 200RMB then they will always expect it and not be willing to settle for less. Its not that easy to rationalise with a CP working girl, especially if you have a limited chinese vocabulary. Is it unreasonable to think that 150RMB is good for both the girl and the monger if she keeps all the money for herself? Has anyone paid even less than this?

Im not trying to be a cheap charlie, but if a girl visits you at 11am or 2am then we shouldnt feel oblidged to include the mamasan's commission with the girl's payment. I have paid less in other countries and the girls have always been happy with their quick money making score.

Crazier
01-07-07, 13:26
After scrolling through many posts here and using the search feature on OAH posts, I was unable to find this post you mention.


Its not a post and so you won't find it!

OAH was talking to LW123 as we left the Lobby of the Miraton Hotel to go to Yalan and that's when he said it as far as I remember.

On the 100 yuans prepayment that we often find ourselves making at the BBS, this is split in quite a few ways between "street runners" (the person who accosts you & bring you there), the Mami who serves you, sometimes the Mami who the girl is with (kind of contractual "owner") & sometimes the "owner" of the premises etc etc. As far as I know, none goes to the girl.

So, if she sees you outside hours and is apparently "off duty" more often than not, if you take a girl, she will not split that with her "Mami" if she is wise in the ways of the place.

Hell, there are cases where the girl "boards" (stay) with the Mami & the old lady keeps count of the movement of the girl. etc etc So, whether she will report her side income will depend on all these kind of factors!

On the occasion when I have called in a BBS or Karaoke girl directly "after duty" (say after 11pm) I do make a "Mami deduction" & pay the girl net and, when I call her in during hours of duty (say before 6 pm) & she comes, I give her the full amount.

In my opinion, even if she is not splitting it with the old lady, she deserves the money since she is giving me good total service (provided she does).

OldAsiaHand
01-07-07, 13:48
Azn Playa,

There is no post. Crazier was referring to a conversation we had in CP.

IMHO, LW123's case was cut and dry. The girl wanted to bolt to be with another regular customer. The mama should have immediately returned his money and sorted out her problems later. The rest was bullshit scamming on her part, however, I don't blame her for trying to give him another girl to keep the 100. That is just business. It is true that she may lose money on the deal, but that is her problem. She is responsible for the actions of the girl regardless.

Let me try to explain how it works according to my understanding. You are approached by the mamas on the street. They take you to a house full of girls. Some of the girls belong to them, some to other mamas and some are just house girls. You will notice that the mama will try to sell her girls first. Even then, she needs to share her cut with the house owner. If you take a house girl, she only gets a commission. If you take another mama's girl she splits with the mama and pays the house. Sometimes she does not have her own girls in which case she only earns a commission from whomever's girl is involved. This is the basic principle, but the deal can vary from mama to mama, house to house. The girl gets none of the 100 you give the mama.

You may remember 42D to whom all my fellow mongering mates refer to. I used to take her after the shop closed or ask her to come back in the morning sometimes. She never gave any money to the mama under these circumstances. If I did her at night and asked her to come back in the morning I would just give her an extra 100. If I took her after hours, I would give her 150 ST/400 LT. I've done other girls this way and usually split the difference and give them an extra 50 if they are not going to give the mama any, but you can probably insist on just 100. BTW, 42D has now graduated to the ranks of mama.

OAH





After scrolling through many posts here and using the search feature on OAH posts, I was unable to find this post you mention.

I have been wondering for a while what the 100RMB actually does pay for and how much goes to the mamasan. One of the touts on the street told me she gets 10RMB for each girl that is paid for by a monger. So that leaves 90RMB. Does anyone know if the girl gets any of this money or only the money you give her after the act?

As the girls in the Yalan Hotel area expect 100RMB after a ST, do many of you see the girl after hours on other days? (eg. before she starts work). I have done this a couple of times and because it was very close to the girl's starting time (i remember two separate girls said 2pm and 3pm start work) I still gave them 200RMB. They both looked very pleased to get the 200 and I certainly didnt want to short change them if they still had to pay the mama 100RMB.

The reason for my post is this: if you get a girl to visit after hours (and they seem to be eager to do this with the number of SMS and calls I receive when I am in CP) will she keep all of the money for herself and therefore should you try to pay less? If every monger pays 200RMB then they will always expect it and not be willing to settle for less. Its not that easy to rationalise with a CP working girl, especially if you have a limited chinese vocabulary. Is it unreasonable to think that 150RMB is good for both the girl and the monger if she keeps all the money for herself? Has anyone paid even less than this?

Im not trying to be a cheap charlie, but if a girl visits you at 11am or 2am then we shouldnt feel oblidged to include the mamasan's commission with the girl's payment. I have paid less in other countries and the girls have always been happy with their quick money making score.

Azn Playa
01-07-07, 14:40
Great, thats 30 minutes of my life I wont get back!!
I tried finding the 'post' (which didnt exist), because I didnt want to get slammed for not reading the forum!

Anyway, thanks for the replies.
Im certainly going to pay less if I get the girl after hours in the future. After midnight is usually little value to me though due to tiredness and the fact that the girl has probably had 2-4 customers already (and having 2-3 STs myself).
The next morning for 100 sounds good. The problem is getting the girl to wake up in time and get her ass over to your room.

Hopefully enough guys new to CP will read this and realise what they only need to pay, in order to keep price gouging down and allowing us all to get good returns for our money. If each round with a Yalan girl is worth 100 to her, then she needs to give me some damn good service to earn 400LT - and I doubt it would happen. Im losing interest in the prospect of GFE and the lack of sleep from her lying on me all night.

Laowai123
01-07-07, 17:09
[...] If each round with a Yalan girl is worth 100 to her, then she needs to give me some damn good service to earn 400LT - and I doubt it would happen. [...].I really hope you do not think that from a 500 LT rate goes 400 net to the girl. No, no, it will be less, as the share for Mama will be higher, at least 150.
The kind of your satisfaction depends on your expectations, demands and time you invest to find a girl from who you can get what you want. Just going into a shop, pointing on a girl, taking her out will definitely not bring it when you want more than being the only active part of a short time action.

Concerning the payment: From my POV it's only important to know what the minimum rates are in the area you will be active. I pay more when the service satisfied me more than expected and I pay less when it was less than discussed.

LW

Azn Playa
01-08-07, 00:45
I really hope you do not think that from a 500 LT rate goes 400 net to the girl. No, no, it will be less, as the share for Mama will be higher, at least 150.
The kind of your satisfaction depends on your expectations, demands and time you invest to find a girl from who you can get what you want. Just going into a shop, pointing on a girl, taking her out will definitely not bring it when you want more than being the only active part of a short time action.

Concerning the payment: From my POV it's only important to know what the minimum rates are in the area you will be active. I pay more when the service satisfied me more than expected and I pay less when it was less than discussed.


OAH said he pays 400LT to the girl after hours.
The subject of the last few posts are about cutting out the mamasan.
This is what I based the '400' on.

I had 3 (separate) girls very recently and didnt even point to a girl. I just told the mama what I liked, she picked them for me and I got everything I wanted back in my room. Two of them returned which prompted my initial post. But I only kept them for ST. Anyway what im expecting for LT is multiple sessions to equate value for money. If I only get 1 round at night and 1 in the morning then its not good value (and see how far you get when you try to pay less to the girl because of this reason).

Obviously the minimum amount is the only important information as Im sure there are newbies out there that pay 2-3 times what they should. The problem with this is if it happens too often then the mamas/girls start revising their 'minimum charge' for all foreigners. Ive seen this happen in other countries and you have to fight it tooth and nail even if you are a regular.
Another thing, in my experience big tipping doesnt guarantee better service. If you take the same girl often then if anything it should be cheaper (if you can get her after hours). And she could want to keep you to herself in the future and not tell the other girls how generous you were (or even give a negative report about you!) As we all know, these are not the most mentally balanced girls you will come across.

Crazier
01-08-07, 15:59
Anyway what im expecting for LT is multiple sessions to equate value for money. If I only get 1 round at night and 1 in the morning then its not good value (and see how far you get when you try to pay less to the girl because of this reason).



Unfortunately, in the books of many girls, a round at night and 1 in the morning is what they often offer (Just a job).

There are a few who see it differently and, truly enjoy sex & cannot have enough.

Its the luck of the draw.

All I can say is that if you bring such a calculative attitude to the "game" and see it that way, my advice is to better stay totally with short time and play your cat and mouse game with the Mamasans.

What do you end up with?

Multiple fucks with tired girls who have already been with a couple of ST customers for the day.

In an earlier post, I even read that you have the idea of calling in the girl for an early morning ST round!

If this is your idea of quality service for money & your time, good luck!

Perhaps, you want to stalk the elevators of the popular monger hotels in Chang Ping and intercept them as they are leaving in the morning!

It's been done before (on my part, rather incidentally rather than intentionally).

Csun213
01-09-07, 01:02
I actally like to have a girl come back in the morning (around 11AM) rather than keeping them over night since I am a light sleeper and can't sleep with someone else in the room. I however give the girl 150 instead of 100. I have found that for the extra 50, they are more likely willing to get up in the morning :-)

The good part about having the girl come in the morning is that you have already tested her out the night before plus she is more comfortable with you now since she had been with you the night before. Since I speak Chinese, I alway have the girl call me when they are on their way. I hate to be sitting in my room waiting for a girl when she is still sleeping.

The girls are free to go to the shop or not however if she misses too many nights then the mamason will yell at them. They are not tied to any shop, this is why you would sometimes see the same girl in different shop. But once they show up for work then they can not leave early without giving the mamason her commission since they believe that she is leaving to see a regular customer.

Crazier
01-09-07, 09:19
I agree totally with u that if all u want is another pop in the morn, a pre-arranged late morn visit is a good strategy.

Obviously, this go & return works well for u & her.

You sleep better, save some money & she is free to do what she wants.

Whether its sleep, partying with friends, taking on another customer ST/LT or fucking her loverboy. Yes, many of them have loverboys awaiting.
My last ST from behind the Huei Mei BBS girl told me all about her BF sending her to work there for money & she happily does it for love! If she is to be believed, many of the younger girls are in similar situations!

At least for the exclusivity of the night and morn, I prefer to pay a bit more and keep the girl is she suits me. Otherwise, I turn her lose and find another one if ai still have a need. To each his own of course.

Azn Playa
01-09-07, 11:08
Unfortunately, in the books of many girls, a round at night and 1 in the morning is what they often offer (Just a job).

There are a few who see it differently and, truly enjoy sex & cannot have enough.

Its the luck of the draw.

All I can say is that if you bring such a calculative attitude to the "game" and see it that way, my advice is to better stay totally with short time and play your cat and mouse game with the Mamasans.

What do you end up with?

Multiple fucks with tired girls who have already been with a couple of ST customers for the day.

In an earlier post, I even read that you have the idea of calling in the girl for an early morning ST round!

If this is your idea of quality service for money & your time, good luck!

Perhaps, you want to stalk the elevators of the popular monger hotels in Chang Ping and intercept them as they are leaving in the morning!

It's been done before (on my part, rather incidentally rather than intentionally).

If you read through several posts then you would see that I'm not the only one who likes a girl to return the next morning and I know several others that use this method. If you are paying 500LT for 2 rounds and most of that time the girl is either sleeping or thinking of ways to get home quickly then there is no value to me if she is only 150-200ST. If you're trying to establish a girl as a regular than LT is more important - but this can become even more expensive as they start expecting gifts etc. Also, these 'regular' girls will drop you in a second if another guy is more generous than you.

The quality of a ST with a girl can be affected by your manner and appearance which some girls are attracted to. Ive had some great girls recently who have left me very satisfied. None of them appeared tired or were in a rush to get back to their room. My idea of value for money is based on what I get in other countries and until more of these girls have more experience with western guys then its likely that the service offered can be similar to what many Chinese mongers are happy with. Thats also why I have been avoiding LTs. Im not interested in wining/dining/partying with these girls - as you said its just a job for them. Im only trying to help maintain a balance to counter the 'mongers' out there who overpay and have low expectations of these girls. Im not citing anyone on ISG as falling into this category but these guys are everywhere because I hear girls talk about these 'generous' guys more often. And it doesnt make my life any easier when I try to convince a girl that this is not the norm (especially with my very limited chinese language skills).

Crazier
01-09-07, 13:28
My idea of value for money is based on what I get in other countries and until more of these girls have more experience with western guys then its likely that the service offered can be similar to what many Chinese mongers are happy with. Thats also why I have been avoiding LTs. Im not interested in wining/dining/partying with these girls - as you said its just a job for them. Im only trying to help maintain a balance to counter the 'mongers' out there who overpay and have low expectations of these girls. Im not citing anyone on ISG as falling into this category but these guys are everywhere because I hear girls talk about these 'generous' guys more often. And it doesnt make my life any easier when I try to convince a girl that this is not the norm (especially with my very limited chinese language skills).

Not arguing but, in discussion mode,

When in CP, look around you and you will see that the Chinese mongers (from many parts) are the majority in the place. So long as that is true, the kind of service the girls will provide will be what the majority demands.

Even amongst the Chinese mongers, you will see that the HKers, the Taiwanese, the Singaporeans and Malaysians may all have different expectations.

As I see it, the Chinese mongers (like all mongers) do like sex and lots of it, but not necessarily in the same style as the Western monger desires.

They also like lots of GFEs and being served well by the women beyond sex.
That does not mean that they have "low expectations" of the girls. Just different expectations and perhaps, not, your expectations.

If you sit in the Lobby of some hotels like the Hui Hua or Miraton, on late Sunday mornings just as they are checking out, you will see many of them there bidding goodbyes and hanging on. Sometimes, it looks stupid but for many of them, there is a fine line between p4p and a Longer Term relationship with a WL.

Trying to convince the girls that your method and "generosity" is the norm admidst all these "generous" regular visitors (who make up the majority) may be an uphill task not that you should not try.

Like you say, these guys are everywhere and will continue to be everywhere simply because of the attraction of the kind of girls available and, the proximity from their homelands.

You will continue to be the minority. In fact as China grows and prospers, I predict that the Cheap Chinese p4p scene will vanish just as the dinosaur has.

That is why I am there to get as much of it while it lasts.

Sure, you may vanish off to PP or AC where your dollar buys you more. But, if you want the Chinese girls, you'll have to pay what the market is willing to pay.

Don't forget the basic make up of a Chinese person is that he or she is motivated by money. I've been told that for the girls, its not a huge shame to be a prostitute. But, its major shame to be penniless.

As an end note, I have been told that in venues like Beijing and Shanghai where the numbers of foreigners are more plentiful, quite a few "enlightened" local girls do prowl to snare & marry a "wealthy western foreigner". Under those circumstances, quite a few "desireable foreign men" do end up with "freebies" if there is ever such a thing. The long term payoffs far exceed the short term money they would otherwise earn.

Azn Playa
01-09-07, 15:37
A) When in CP, look around you and you will see that the Chinese mongers (from many parts) are the majority in the place. So long as that is true, the kind of service the girls will provide will be what the majority demands.

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B) They also like lots of GFEs and being served well by the women beyond sex. That does not mean that they have "low expectations" of the girls. Just different expectations and perhaps, not, your expectations.

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C) Trying to convince the girls that your method and "generosity" is the norm admidst all these "generous" regular visitors (who make up the majority) may be an uphill task not that you should not try.

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D) Sure, you may vanish off to PP or AC where your dollar buys you more. But, if you want the Chinese girls, you'll have to pay what the market is willing to pay.



A) The last time I spent 2 nights in CP I didnt see a western face.
So you're not telling me anything new.
If the foreign population of Guangdong mongers collectively work towards similar goals (pushing for better value for money) then over time it should improve. The girls that do everything we want may not be in the majority but we can at least help increase the number of girls out there that do.

B) You use the word "they" to refer to chinese mongers. Many chinese mongers, especially those that focus on CP BBS and Yalan girls know what the girls are worth and that is what they pay. I was refering to guys from anywhere (esp. foreigners) that drastically overpay as they are either naive or ill-informed or don't care about what the rates are. That is why I wrote 'mongers' as they can only be loosely described as that. You need to spend some time reading some other posts eg. where OAH recently mentioned having 200RMB thrown at him because he didn't pay 300+ for a ST. Where do you think the girls learn that a foreigner would be dumb enough to pay 300, 400 or even 800RMB for ST? Its because they do. As this is the International SEX Guide, I read the posts and contribute to the forums because of my interest in sex. Therefore the 'expectations' I referred to were naturally those related to sex. Nothing more. Perhaps I should have been more clear when I wrote that and will try not to make a similar mistake again.

C) I dont have a method and I'm not generous. I pay what it costs. Regular (chinese) visitors that I have spoken to on my trips there are not generous either. They pay the going rate. If anything they will pay less than a foreigner if its possible (and often is the case in some BBS which try to rip us off).

D) "What the market is willing to pay" varies greatly as there are the guys that know what the price is and others who have no clue. I know what it costs and I know what to expect as I have received similar levels of service countless times in China to base this on. Therefore Im not going to alter my spending habits or expectations. Yes I can be flexible but only within a relatively small range.
There are many places in Asia other than PP and AC which are better value than the ST rates of CP and ZH. The thing that I can't stand is guys that come to GD for a quick business trip and pay 2-3 times the going rate, drive prices up and service down and ultimately ruin it for those of us that live here. By posting on here I'm hoping that newbies will try to tow the line and not buckle under the pressure placed on them by money hungry hookers who demand more and deliver little. If you read through the posts in the China forum there are countless examples of guys paying exhorbitant prices and not getting what they wanted. And no, their expectations are not too high, they just want to have a fuck and pay for it.
Luckily there are still several places in GD where a ST will cost less than 100RMB so there is still hope for those of us that are searching for the elusive cheap fuck. I can get freebies too - I just can't stand the crap you have to go through before and after which makes the 'freebie' little value to me. Even if its free at the time, its going to cost you eventually.

Laowai123
01-09-07, 16:41
[...] The thing that I can't stand is guys that come to GD for a quick business trip and pay 2-3 times the going rate, drive prices up and service down and ultimately ruin it for those of us that live here. [...]- Biz men normally do not have time to read a forum like ISG.

- Biz men normally come during fair times or on invitation to China.

- During fairs everything is more expensive, including girls - you can see this in GZ and surrounding areas.

- Biz men normally do not have time to walk around to find a place where they get it "cheaper" or let's say to the local price.

- Many Biz men only come to China one-time and so are willing to pay more to have a "real" chinese girl for maybe only one time in their life.

- P4P service in CN is for many Biz men cheaper as in their own country, even when they pay 2-3 times more than we would pay.

- Biz means money, especially in a country where the social system is not well developed, like CN

What do I when something is to "expensive" or I am not willing to pay the asked price: I do not buy!!

During the first time in CN I was complaining in the way your are doing it now - at least it sounds like this. It's wasted time, turn around and go to the next shop. When you only want to pay less than 100 for ST, then only go to places where you can get it.

Some guys are looking for more than only "in-out-in-out-in-out...mei dan!" and are willing to pay more to get it. Your last "100 ST girl" maybe had a customer before you who wanted more than only to fuck her and paid 2-3 times more than you will pay, because he was satisfied...he got what he was expecting. No reason to bash this customer. You are expecting a "cheap fuck"...look for it and you will get it.

Finally, what is a "cheap fuck"? What is your definition of a "cheap fuck"?
I really do not want an answer, it just should be something you might start thinking about.

m2c

LW

PS:
I think this topic should be continued in "Living in China" or "Cheap Sex in China", as it has - from my POV - nothing special to do with DG, GD or any other province in CN. I should have done it with this reply. I apologize.

UnderPSI
01-09-07, 17:07
Here is the info on the new 5 star place in Dongguan my friend in Hong kong is there last night new ktv have some very hot model very expensive over 200 girl .

http://www.sinohotel.com/hotel/hotel.html;jsessionid=43548669205E3621C121BF84379F3C3A?hid=3255

fast eddie 48Wow that hotel looks awsome! Can anyone give a review and if it's better than Tangxia Goodview Hotel? Any other exceptional hotels in Dongguan area?

Cheers

Azn Playa
01-10-07, 00:30
During the first time in CN I was complaining in the way your are doing it now - at least it sounds like this. It's wasted time, turn around and go to the next shop. When you only want to pay less than 100 for ST, then only go to places where you can get it.

Some guys are looking for more than only "in-out-in-out-in-out...mei dan!" and are willing to pay more to get it. Your last "100 ST girl" maybe had a customer before you who wanted more than only to fuck her and paid 2-3 times more than you will pay, because he was satisfied...he got what he was expecting. No reason to bash this customer. You are expecting a "cheap fuck"...look for it and you will get it.

Finally, what is a "cheap fuck"? What is your definition of a "cheap fuck"?
I really do not want an answer, it just should be something you might start thinking about.



I have been living in China for over 3 years and have fucked 100s of girls in that time. This is following several other Asian countries that I have lived in.

I never said I only want to pay 100ST. In the past year I almost never did and dont need to. I just said that it exists as an option and is a counterbalance for the ever increasing prices here in GD. I remember when some SWs would be happy with 150LT.

Currently, a Yalan girl taken through a mamasan is 200ST. A ZH streetwalker is 200ST. The 2-3 times I was refering to was those guys who are paying 400-500 to have one round with these same girls. This could be considered as crazy and fuels the greed of the girls/mamas that try to inflate prices for foreigners.

Anyone that has lived in China for a while would know that there are Chinese men who equate a good night out as one that has cost a lot of money. Regardless of whether they can afford it or not. Even if they have overpaid what its worth they see it as a better experience than if it had been cheaper. This is one factor that works against me and others who are trying to get value for money in the same places and businesses that are operating there.

If in ZH you can visit a sauna and get AR, BBBJ and two rounds for under 300RMB (even under 250RMB), then paying more than this for one round with a Yalan girl or a ZH SW and not even a blowjob is very poor value in my books. If someone wants to pay a girl 500RMB to a girl that delivered very little, played games in his room, told him bullshit stories and then he was mr nice guy and gave her all this money then good luck to him and his future experiences mongering in China. So from these examples alone, you might now have a better idea of what I consider to be 'cheap' and 'not cheap'.

Why do I like cheap sex? Because I am buying so much of it. Someone that pays for sex once or twice a month or has a massive disposable income probably doesnt need to discuss value for money in such detail or enter into discussions such as this one (although my interest in continuing this thread any further is minimal at best).

I suggest you read my posts much more carefully and think a little harder about the points I was trying to make before you make a reactionary post. You might even want to sleep on it first. Many things I write develop a point that a poster has previously made anyway. If you want clarification about something I have written, then feel free to ask for it. Try not to make assumptions too early, especially as you havent met me and discussed issues like this in person in a calm and civil way.

Crazier
01-10-07, 12:55
I have been living in China for over 3 years and have fucked 100s of girls in that time.........




..............There are many places in Asia other than PP and AC which are better value than the ST rates of CP and ZH.............


I had previously taken the trouble to look at your various posts previously before I replied to you in the first instance.

No doubt, you are an experienced monger. Someone who always emphasises “value for money” and the likes. It's only because I respected your opinion that I am in discussion mode.

I have a friend similar to you (not necessarily the same).

Despite being a dollar millionaire a few times over, he drives a hard bargain and would always go the extra mile to get his “value for money”.

Even if it would cost him lots of valuable time and mental agony.

If he changed his ways, he would be deprived of the GREATER PLEASURE of having paid “his right price”.

However, as I have said, in some countries it's easier to assert a price level that is fair from your point of view.

In a place like China where you have CHINESE people, it's harder if you understand Chinese mentality. Surely you do since you have lived in China for 3 years and fucked 100s of Chinese girls.

I only used PP and AC as examples because you have written about these. Note that in both places the girls are not Chinese and easier to deal with overall when it comes to pricing and financial expectations (my opinion).

Without being sarcastic, I have also known many "experienced expatriates" who have lived in foreign countries for countless years and until today, they have not truly tuned into their locales enough to know what is really going on around them. Perhaps a mental inaptitude (again my opinion).

I am not implying that you are one of these of course.

Most important, do you really believe that you know China and Chinese people well enough yet?

Even at my grey old age, I am still learning something new about people and places I have known all my life. We never stop learning besides the fact that our perceptions do change as we move along.




.................Anyone that has lived in China for a while would know that there are Chinese men who equate a good night out as one that has cost a lot of money. Regardless of whether they can afford it or not. Even if they have overpaid what its worth they see it as a better experience than if it had been cheaper. This is one factor that works against me and others who are trying to get value for money in the same places and businesses that are operating there.............


On paying more and feeling better about the experience (and it goes beyond sex),
Chinese men do not have exclusivity in paying more and feeling better about the overall experience of paying more. The expensive Branded Goods of the world would not survive and thrive if this behavior is exclusive to Chinese men.

I do agree that Asians and Chinese in general do love to seem to be able to afford lavishness. Especially when they are in business entertainment mode.




...........If in ZH you can visit a sauna and get AR, BBBJ and two rounds for under 300RMB (even under 250RMB), then paying more than this for one round with a Yalan girl or a ZH SW and not even a blowjob is very poor value in my books.................




Therefore the 'expectations' I referred to were naturally those related to sex. Nothing more.


For comparison purposes, I suggest that we compare oranges with oranges and apples with apples;

Even within Zhuhai, you can get an all in Sauna experience for 200rmb and at another place for 238+330 = 568 rmb or even more. I am talking about real standard prices, not a one-off rip off.

It may well be for similar experiences in your eyes but, the management of each of these two places position their overall experience and target at different clientele.
The higher end price place does not target you and so your opinion is valid from your perspective. Yet some others will respond positively too.

When you compare Zhuhai's sauna with CP's saunas,in your "value for money mental mode" obviously, you would go for Saunas in the cheaper joints in Zhuhai rather than CP. At the same time, some of us may be happier to pay more to go to CP’s or Zhuhai’s more expensive places when the occasion warrants it.

Lets talk purely about sex, why would anyone in CP pay 150 or even 200 yuans for a BBS girl when you can go to the “Catacombs” and have a fuck and BJ for a total of 50 yuans (30 + 20 for BJ). Essentially the same thing? Yucks!
Obviously, there is a difference.

Some customers prefer a “dalliance", perhaps a dinner, or even a sit around the hotel room just talking, (or even listening to bullshit) before fucking. For some this could go on for hours, and they may not argue over some 100 to 200 yuans and others may.

Worst, a minority will take all of 2 to 3 hours, expect to pop twice and want to pay the same ST rate of 200 yuans or raise hell!

There is a difference for sure.

Take Shenzhen. I understand that there, the girls prefer to get straight down to action and be done with you so they can turn more tricks. Time is after all money to them.



........Why do I like cheap sex? Because I am buying so much of it..........


Just when you think you are “huge in your volume and experience”, you may be surprised that your numbers may be dwarfed by others.

Most of us like to pay the right price. And yet, when the “right girl” comes along, most of us all do the “right thing”, we pay more!
If this was not true, there would be no marriages in the world because we would fuck and forget instantly!

There are also quite a few "smart" people who use MONEY as the MOTIVATOR to get attention as a trade off against TIME which they value more.

Most of these people do spoil the market, but, they exist and there is not much we can do about it!

I travel frequently with a friend who consistently does it and it suits him and works well for him.

If I take the same girl after him and pay only “market rates”, I still get very decent service despite him. This because I take the trouble to help her understand that these people are her good luck and fortune but they are the exception.



............... You need to spend some time reading some other posts eg. where OAH recently mentioned having 200RMB thrown at him because he didn't pay 300+ for a ST............




(6) ............ Where do you think the girls learn that a foreigner would be dumb enough to pay 300, 400 or even 800RMB for ST?...........




(7) ............ "What the market is willing to pay" varies greatly as there are the guys that know what the price is and others who have no clue.........


I did and I like his posts so whenever I come to the threads, I do read his posts.

On OAH's experience with the girl throwing the money at him. It has also happened to me in Indonesia where the girls are less money minded than China. Yet it happened.
I am sure it happens more often than is reported.

I prefer to think that it’s the girls WHO HAVE NOT LEARNT that do these things.

If a girl knows her business, she will know not to even try those tricks. The girls who have learnt know when to turn on the charm to get more out of us.
The accomplished sales & marketing person knows it takes very little to keep an old customer and huge amounts to win a new one!

In any case, the girls who do these things USUALLY DO NOT SURVIVE in this SERVICE INDUSTRY. They have no return customers! And get black listed!

When I refer to what the market is willing to pay, I am talking about a smaller spectrum of the norm.

The overall regular market.
If we take some of Southern China's major cities which would include Zhuhai, Shenzhen, Chang Ping and Guangzhou (for discussion purposes), its a known fact that the market is made up of Hong Kong people, Taiwanese, and some Japanese, Singaporeans, Malaysians in the majority.

We can safely leave out the others unless you have a different opinion. The majority will always determine the outcome of prices in general.

That’s why the catacombs that mostly serve the local low end inhabitants still charge 30 yuans for a 20 min quickie pop, even when the odd foreigner turns up.



.......................... I can get freebies too - I just can't stand the crap you have to go through before and after which makes the 'freebie' little value to me. Even if its free at the time, its going to cost you eventually............


Read my post again. We agree that there is no such thing as a "freebie"!



The thing that I can't stand is guys that come to GD for a quick business trip and pay 2-3 times the going rate, drive prices up and service down and ultimately ruin it for those of us that live here. By posting on here I'm hoping that newbies will try to tow the line and not buckle under the pressure placed on them by money hungry hookers who demand more and deliver little.


These guys are a minority and the smart girls know better than to depend on them for regular income. They will never truly be the “market price makers.” Most of them don’t even know that there’s the ISG!

BTW, I am only spending this huge amount of time here in KL, Malaysia writing this because I prefer having this discussion than going out in the town here and getting “lousy value for money sex!”

Can’t wait to get back to Zhuhai & CP where overall, my patronage is highly welcomed and desired! Of course, there are other places including Thailand where I live. But, right now, I am captivated by CHINESE GIRLS!

As stressed earlier, I am in discussion mode!

Csun213
01-10-07, 18:12
Here is my 2 cents on over paying. When I first got to China, I had over paid the girls for good service. My reason was that it is so cheap compared to the U.S. and what is an extra 50 rmb tip for good service. Then after talking to some of the regulars, I found that even the extra 50rmb is no big deal to me since I only go to China 2 times per year but to the guys who lives there, it may be an extra 50rmb per girl (since the prices might go up fi enough vacationers did this) for them from this date forward. If they did 2 girls per week, it would be an extra 5000rmb per year.

When we are on vacation, we are more willing to pay more for a girl that we really want rather then just walk away because we will probably not be able to find her again while the regulars might bump into her the next week. She might then come down in price where we would have lost the chance with her forever and thus we are willing to pay extra to get the experience with her rather then save a few rmb.

The reason why visitors do not care about the extra $ is that they will not be there long enough for it to effect them. What is an extra 50rmb compared to the cost of airline ticket.

This is why if the girl knows that you are new, then she thinks she can get more money from you but if she knows that you have been doing this for a while then she will charge you the regular price.

An example was when we were hanging out with the great OAH at Jusco. He had been paying 150rmb for girls there for quite a while however we were paying 200rmb to take the girls back to our hotel. However because he was hanging around with us, his girl wanted 200rmb from him and would not accept 150rmb. He had to pay that and now his price for all the girls have gone from 150 to 200rmb. He was not happy with that and made sure that we knew it.

Lastly, the Chinese are used to bargaining. They don't have many system like us in the U.S. where the price you see is the price you pay (hope this will be the way in China soon). It is always trying to get the most amount out of your customers. This is why they like foreigners and hates Hong Kong guys since we usually pay more than we need to while the Hong Kong guys will pay less.

Moody
01-10-07, 20:59
Jeez.... who cares if guys come into town and pay more, it doesn't change anything. I think there's some misunderstanding about the nature of the business in China. By far, the VAST majority of clients for the hookers are native Chinese and it's these guys who set the prices. Whether some foreign guy on business or vacation over pays by 2X,20X, or even 100X... it's not large enough of a market to change prices. To add to that, it a buyers' market. There are far more hookers than customers. How often have you seen every single girl from a BBS taken out? When you go to Yalan, don't all the mommies grab you and pull you in all directions? Would that happen in a sellers' market? As long as you know what the going rate is, that's what you'll end up paying.

That said, I've never had problems giving girls a bit extra if I happened to like the girl. Believe me, a 50RMB tip isn't going to change the market price of anything and neither is a 500RMB tip to a KTV girl.

Moody
01-10-07, 21:00
OAH,

You need to clear out your PM box... I need to send a PM to you by the 11th... If I can't reach you via PM, I'll phone you.

Moody

Fast Eddie 48
01-10-07, 21:43
Wow that hotel looks awsome! Can anyone give a review and if it's better than Tangxia Goodview Hotel? Any other exceptional hotels in Dongguan area?

Cheers




to underspi

Royal garden just open one month ago so alot of monger don't know about this place , the dream house ktv night club is the largest in southern china
and I will be in china end of the month to check it out , my friend from hong kong told me some top model want 1800 rmb for all nighter talking about over
price .


http://www.royalgardenhotel.com.cn/Entertainment_en.aspx


fast eddie 48

UnderPSI
01-11-07, 03:26
to underspi

Royal garden just open one month ago so alot of monger don't know about this place , the dream house ktv night club is the largest in southern china
and I will be in china end of the month to check it out , my friend from hong kong told me some top model want 1800 rmb for all nighter talking about over
price .

http://www.royalgardenhotel.com.cn/Entertainment_en.aspx

fast eddie 48Wow, I thought the market is rmb800; but isn't there a fixed price from the mamasan or is it one of those things that you have to nego everytime? I heard that for model types in prince or nearby charge rmb1000 and that is the high end. I will give it a try in late March when I go.

Crazier
01-11-07, 05:46
OK, been a while since I wrote an FR and I still won't due to memory lapses these days and no notes.

Heres a couple of recent BBS girls I took back:

First one was from Mami Lili's in Yalan area.
Plain indifferent bonk but I really like the no-make up newbie look.

Second one from behind Huei Mei area either from Mami Coco or adjoining joint.
She was a great ST bonk!


They may not be what you are looking for but for me, I like them as fresh as they can come.

The thing about CP is the incessant array of new talent each time I visit! Unfortunately, the better bonks were the more experienced girls and they were strictly NO PICS for this visit!

Eddylane
01-11-07, 10:10
[QUOTE=Azn Playa]I have been living in China for over 3 years and have fucked 100s of girls in that time. This is following several other Asian countries that I have lived in .....]

Being a Chinese myself having lived in U.S.A. and Australia and now living in Hong Kong, my advice is to follow the local custom. In U.S.A., you pay US$100-200 ST, and Australia A$150 ST, and you never get the selection like in CP. Do you have a choice? No, because that is the going rate paid by the locals.

As pointed out by many mongering brothers, the VAST majority of the mongers patronising the CP girls are Hong Kongers. They determine the going rate, i.e. Rmb200 ST and Rmb400-500 LT. And LT means a shot at night and one in the morning, but generally if you treat the girl well, she will allow more than two, depending on your stamina, and hers as well. If you are lucky, you may find something cheaper, but it may be of lower quality.

Just my two cents worth.

Eddy

Azn Playa
01-11-07, 12:27
As much as I hate to continue this thread any further, if people keep quoting my posts (even after Crazier wrote that 1500 word reply) and missing the point(s) I was trying make, its probably going to initiate one more response from me.

I know what the price is, have paid it many times.
I know where mongers are from that surround me in the hotel lobby and restaurants as we often talk and they help me with my chinese SMS and language skills. Regular chinese mongers who are fairly money conscious and are there just for sex don't get scammed and I was never referring to them.

Prices for sex will always continue to rise over time. My efforts in paying less (as a westerner) are made mostly to try to abate this increase. Yes I can afford Chinese rates, actually a lot more and 50-100RMB extra per girl (even if multiplied by 150 each year) is never going to hurt me financially. But I also plan to be living in China for a long time and am somewhat concerned with what could happen in the future. I've experienced this first hand in areas of other Asian cities which used to be considered cheap and are not anymore. I havent had any bad experiences in terms of being ripped off (compared with some examples I have read or heard about) but I am also trying to do my bit for the western newbies out there who could get scammed because some other westerners before him paid way too much.

Parts of my posts are only related to paying SWs which I realise is less relevant in CP and has nothing to do with the Yalan BBS. Anyone can go to the Yalan and pay 200ST regardless of your experience or language skills. Western mongers in China have far less control of price gouging from SWs and "refusing then walking away" isn't much of a remedy and doesnt help the situation as the girl often couldn't care less and will turn around to grab an Asian monger walking past. Also a bullshit confrontation in my hotel room from the girl about the price is something that I prefer to avoid.

{{{BTW, thanks to Crazier for pointing out the search feature of a member's posting history. Yes you're right, you can learn more about a person that way than just reading their recent posts. You have written a reasonable amount of information in the past describing who you are etc. (and we are very different people in so many respects). This answers some of the questions I had about you and why you were going to so much trouble writing defensive replies to my posts (which for the most part weren't personally directed at you anyway). I have a tendency to write 'you' to mean 'a figurative person' and I can see that you thought I had written an entire post about you (Crazier). I will try to write all posts in the third person from now on.}}}

P*E*A*C*E!!

Crazier
01-11-07, 13:35
I can see that you thought I had written an entire post about you (Crazier). I will try to write all posts in the third person from now on.

P*E*A*C*E!!

To use a Chinese expression

"AI YAH"

I learnt a long time ago that communication is the KEY.
Further that when you send a message and the receiver gets the wrong message, the sender is at fault. You have to communicate in a language the receiver understands.

So, here I am at fault!

NEVER have I thought or wanted to defend myself because there is NOTHING to DEFEND.

Further, I NEVER TOOK ANY OF YOUR POSTS PERSONALLY NOR READ THEM AS DIRECTED AT ME, so I hope you are clear about that.

However,
I took trouble to write my opinion about what I read you posted which I perceived differently. Surely we can have a difference of opinion about many subjects. Or the world would be less colourful & interesting.

As I had written previously in my last post, I have been here in KL, Malaysia for the last few days working. As for mongering, this is a SHITHOLE so far as VFM is concerned.

Sitting here & reading about CP or other things & other people's ideas & opinions is my preferred entertainment as opposed to jacking off in my hotel room! CNN is more boring!

Where I see thinks differently, I just hit the keyboard without malice nor evil intention, hope it's clear!

As you wrote, PEACE but, there was never a war in the first place, not in my mind, just a different perception.

Bill Lee
01-11-07, 13:42
I think you know where the Swan Lake is by now L123. For those that don't, it's walking out of the Yalan Hotel and taking a right to the main road and then a right, up the road, away from the Miraton direction.

You will reach a secondary street (not an alley) after a five minute walk on the left side of the street. Turn left and walk into the street and about 50 feet and on the right side is the hotel. Normally the street steerers will take the customers through the open driveway on the right side of the hotel to the rear staircase and up to the second floor. There, you may find about 5 or 6 mamasan sitting around the table waiting for us suckers (hehehehe). They will pounce on you for attention.

The price is 50RMB for 2 hours but the Swan Lake short time room has to be rented through the mama and after you have selected one of her girls. I don't know if you can use with another girl from a different mama. But I suppose you can use it again with another different girl from the same mamasan who first got you the key. The normal hotel 2 hour rate is 80RMB.

My experience was that the girl will wait for you to finish up and return the room key through the mamasan or the hotel.

The Yalan Hotel has the same kind of deal. Alittle less than 100RMB for 3 hours. This is the best deal. No commitment to one mamasan for room deal.

Yalan 3 hour special:
hour 1: Shop for girl first, then check in with girl at Yalan to maximize time, bang first girl.
hour 2: eat or sleep.
hour 3: Shop for second girl and bang.

At least 7 shops within a 2 minute walking distance of the Yalan Hotel and you're not committed to the Swan Lake girls. The immediate Yalan area has about at least over 150 girls combined. Whereas the Swan Lake has about 50 girls within the five rooms.

The Swan Lake is a bit far, about 10 minutes from Yalan Hotel.

Word of warning, you don't want to be caught inside the Swan Lake KTV rooms with the mamasans. It's a 10 to 15 minutes hassle just to get out their room and that's one of five rooms you have to visit. They are very forceful with their sales pitch. It's safer to shop from the doorway of their rooms.

Bill




...Actually I need information about the location of Swan Lake Hotel as I am not sure if it was this hotel which offers a girl from there KTV and a room for three hours for CNY250 total (if I am not wrong) mentioned by OAH, AG and Wadman during the last CP trip....


LW

Crazier
01-11-07, 15:08
Word of warning, you don't want to be caught inside the Swan Lake KTV rooms with the mamasans. It's a 10 to 15 minutes hassle just to get out their room and that's one of five rooms you have to visit. They are very forceful with their sales pitch. It's safer to shop from the doorway of their rooms.

Bill

A warning to be heeded for sure!

These mamas are either desperate or maybe, they know their girls are generally older & amongst the ugliest in the whole of Yalan area.

I had to shove them away to get out of the first room I stepped into!
NEVER AGAIN although I should never say never again!

Santa
01-11-07, 18:26
Went to a town twenty minutes drive south of Changping with, Reader, Travel3838, and another monger.

We hired a car and the driver showed us the shops. First we saw several shops and the talent was ok.

Then he took us to another area which was near the Jia Rong Shopping Mall. There were about ten pink light shops with the doors open. The quality of the girls was lower than Changping but there were some who looked pretty good. The price was only 130rmb short time, 300rmb overnight.

To get there go to the Windsor Park Hotel and then go south towards shenzhen for 3 or 4 blocks, or half a mile, and then turn right. I know this is not very accurate directions but it's the best I can do.

The town is called HuangJiang or Yellow River.

Santa
01-11-07, 18:54
I have been spending a lot of time in Changping and having a good time. Lots of girls available and good fun hanging with the brothers.

I have enjoyed my visits to the Swan Lake Hotel and some of the girls are good looking.

Short time rooms are only 50rmb if you take one of their girls, otherwise the room is 80rmb ST and 150rmb overnight. The girls are 200rmb.

My friend Bill Lee said it is a 10 minute walk from Yalan, but I think it is a little less than that, certainly no more than 10 mins.

The phone number of the Swan Lake Hotel is 86-769-83338388 or 86-769-83338288.

Most of us prefer staying in the center of Changping at the 4 star Miraton Hotel, pronounced May-e-dung Joedian. Call 86-769-83028888. We pay 298rmb weekdays or 320 on weekends. That is a discount rate which you may or may not get.
If they say no, you can try the New Century Hotel, go out side and turn right, it's a five minute walk, 300rmb. Or the Lucky Hotel, go outside and turn left, it's a five minute walk, 150rmb.

Santa
01-11-07, 19:07
You can rent an apartment in Changping for around 1500 to 3000 rmb a month. Six month minimum.

Or for short term rentals you might try the new Manhattan Service Apartments at 523562 SwanLake Road. Nightly rates are 168rmb. When you leave they will give you a 30rmb coupon. Weekly and monthly rates are also available. Call 86-769-83902211.

Crazier
01-12-07, 02:36
I have been spending a lot of time in Changping and having a good time. Lots of girls available and good fun hanging with the brothers.

I have enjoyed my visits to the Swan Lake Hotel and some of the girls are good looking.



Santa,

I am glad that you found the girls good looking too! And had fun. Otherwise they would be closed yesterday already.

If all of us had the same taste in women, there won't be enough to go round for sure!

Nice hanging out with you guys too that week!

C.

Laowai123
01-12-07, 05:31
[...]

To get there go to the Windsor Park Hotel and then go south towards shenzhen for 3 or 4 blocks, or half a mile, and then turn right. I know this is not very accurate directions but it's the best I can do.

The town is called HuangJiang or Yellow River.http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=547527

I take the liberty also pointing to a post with an attached Google Earth file for all (known) locations in CP:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=548596

LW

Bnlee2
01-12-07, 10:46
just came back from the new Amazon wannabe. From what I was told many of Amazon's management, workers and talents have bolted for this place. It has been opened for a few months.

Went up there with about half dozen friends to check this place out. Protocol is pretty much like the old amazon but with a few differences. We were up there on a thursday evening and at 6:30PM we saw a line up of over four hundred girls dressed to kill. We got up there earlier in the afternoon and sat in the cafe checking some of the girls checking in for work. Motorbikes taxi drivers were dropping them off and some were walking in. The quality i think is better and a bit younger. The one thing that i notice was that most of the girls were wearing clothes showing off more clevages ( and i am definitely a titty man) and many were just wearing transparent clothng (all of the girls wearing transparent clothings are also bra and panties).

The set up is that the new JiaYi hotel is the KTV is almost connected. Looking directly at it, the KTV is on the right and the hotel is on the left. I will get to the gals in a bit.

The hotel is new and has many rooms. I think it is about five or six stories talls. The room are nicely appointed, more like almost a four star hotel. The rooms are better than the Hotel Versailles (Hotel next to Amazon KTV). I feel that the rooms are very well appointed for now since it is new. The breakfast included the room is definitely WORST than the Hotel Versaille. I would skip the breakfast next time. We all got a rate of 178RMB for a thursday nite. Good rate, definitely . Less than a two minute walk across the parking lot. JiaYi is definitely not a family hotel but an adult fun hotel.

Now for the KTV and the girls. Walking in you are literally greeted by atleast another fifty girls sounding off and bowing in unison welcoming you to the club as you enter. Then as enter further you will encounter a room where the girls are lined in several rows. The gaunlet is narrower than Amazon and the mommies literally shows off their gals to you. If you even spend a few extra seconds leering at a girl the mommy will catch on and immediately bring the girls to you. It is definitely awesome. Their outfits were more revealing and eyecatching than the ones in Amazon. Most of the best talents in Amazon are now here.

We took atleast a dozen gals back with us to the KTV room. The day before I called a friend that was a VIP customer with Amazon and i ask if he had been Jiayi KTV and he has and told me that the new place has already given him VIP status. He set up a reservation for us and join us for the party at the new place. After picking up the girls we sent them up to the KTV room and party for the next five hours. The rooms was beautifully appointed with multiple large screens. Definitely a first class party room.

Here are the things to look out for. The girls have a quota to order atleast one ladies drink approx 45rmb. If not they were have to pay a penaly of 50rmb back to the house for the nite. My girl was constantly all over me, making sure that my glass of constantly full, feeding me whatever thing i want to eat and constantly touching and feeling me. The club motto or the manager's instruction is to make sure all guest are happy. i was told that there is a penaty charge is a customer complains to mgmt.

At the end of the night, i asked if she wants to spend the night with me, she replies she will if I want her. She was there to make sure that i was happy. The pricing for the club is 2/5/8

Total damage 20 guys/20 gals (only thirteen came back with us) and five hours of drinking singing partying and fun.... $2,700RMB with a birthday cake and a magnum bottle of champagne throwin, at least one dozen plates of small finger food and tips to the DJ, one mommy to control the girls and cleanup person. I think that without my friends VIP status it maybe another 2000rmb atleast.

Most of the girls at the place at atleast 6.5 or higher. Very few of the girls are over twenty three or four. I was told that they lifted the standards for the girls much higher than the old amazon. Bye Amazon.... Hello JiaYi

I have been itching to try this place since late last year. We set up another party at the same place late next week. I just cannot wait.

UnderPSI
01-12-07, 18:35
Bnlee2,

Where is this hotel located?

I will try on my next trip!

Laowai123
01-13-07, 04:11
Bnlee2,

Where is this hotel located?

I will try on my next trip!For an overview of CP, please see here:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=548596

In this Google Earth File you will find following locations:

Hotels
- Miraton
- Hui Hua
- Walter
- Virgin
- Hui Mei
- Jia Yi
- Yalan
- Versailles
- Peninsula
- Jia Mei Hotel
- Swan Lake (??? location not confirmed)

KTV
- Amazon
- Jia Yi / Tao Yuan Recreation
- Lion
- PP

(Special) Areas
- Yalan
- Catacombs
- BOC (Bank of China)
- Mc Donalds
- Railway Station
- Bus Station

...and some more...

hth

LW

Meimei69
01-14-07, 03:30
A warning to be heeded for sure!

These mamas are either desperate or maybe, they know their girls are generally older & amongst the ugliest in the whole of Yalan area.

I had to shove them away to get out of the first room I stepped into!

NEVER AGAIN although I should never say never again!Yes, I was also unfortunate to have the same experience. I saw two cute chicks going into Swan Lake Hotel and guessed they could be in one of those joints. But being locked into a room for >10 min and with 3 mamasans forcing me to take their poor selection of girls really pissed me off.

Meimei69
01-14-07, 03:46
Prices for sex will always continue to rise over time. My efforts in paying less (as a westerner) are made mostly to try to abate this increase. Yes I can afford Chinese rates, actually a lot more and 50-100RMB extra per girl (even if multiplied by 150 each year) is never going to hurt me financially. But I also plan to be living in China for a long time and am somewhat concerned with what could happen in the future.

P*E*A*C*E!!You can't control "inflation" alone. It's a demand and supply situation and the demand from the majority rules. This is a service industry and intangible counts. Nothing like a good bonk for me and a MM who leaves happily and both of us hoping to see each other again (for different reasons, of course). So for God sake, don't live life like this. It is very tiring especially if you think money is not a problem. I pay the girls the market rate plus Y50 tips for reasonable service and Y100 for good service. For exceptional service, I'll take her for several days and pay her Y100 extra per day plus gifts.

Azn Playa
01-14-07, 14:20
You can't control "inflation" alone. It's a demand and supply situation and the demand from the majority rules. This is a service industry and intangible counts. Nothing like a good bonk for me and a MM who leaves happily and both of us hoping to see each other again (for different reasons, of course). So for God sake, don't live life like this. It is very tiring especially if you think money is not a problem. I pay the girls the market rate plus Y50 tips for reasonable service and Y100 for good service. For exceptional service, I'll take her for several days and pay her Y100 extra per day plus gifts.

Naturally I can't do it alone, to stem the flow of rising P4P prices anywhere, it needs to be a group effort. It certainly isn't merely inflation either, its fueled by the greed of the people controlling the trade in an area pushing prices as far as possible. CP isn't a secret to westerners anymore and as the word gets out more they will arrive in greater numbers. I've lived through 'mega-inflation' in other Asian hotspots and don't want to experience it here.

The supply of girls in CP is in a constant state of surplus regardless of the day or time. Everyone here knows that a ST from a Yalan BBS is 200. It is the price. If demand for these girls became less, it's still going to be 200.

I rarely have the same girls twice as it is often difficult to find them available or they have moved around. If they do visit me again its almost always after their working hours and they will pocket more (yet I will have spent less).

As the price is set, if you want a girl then you only have to beat the other guy to her first. You are hardly going to experience walking into a BBS and then the girl refuses to go with you because you didn't tip another girl from there. The mamasan's are doing the hardest sell I have seen anywhere, they want money from you and repeat business. Yeah if the girl does more than expected, great - give her something to show you appreciate it. But I draw the line at a mandatory tipping policy because then the price has immediately risen (for that individual) by, say, 25% and if enough people (eg most westerners) do the same, then the providers will ultimately reassess their price structure and think "yeah ok, THIS is now the price".

"Nothing like a good bonk" - agreed. But that's just everyday life for me, year round. Girlfriends come and go, but the working girls fill a need. If you want to repeat things with the same girls several times then a tip would help, but I'm not counting on seeing the girl again and the ones that do drop by for a quick visit keep incessantly calling and texting as to when I will want her again. And I probably didn't tip her, maybe a meal somewhere if she wanted. If the girl is awesome and I'm ****-struck, then she can quit her job and live with me for a while. Yeah I will spoil her and 'pay' the money necessary for her family. A girl can receive long term gains if she treats me right. That's all. She can live very well if she doesn't fuck things up, but most of them do eventually (eg. lies, bullshit, scamming, stealing etc) which is probably enough reasons why never to attempt a relationship with a working girl in the first place. I should know, going down this road too many times to want to mention.

BTW what you consider to be 'tiring' doesn't affect me at all (and its always nice to mention the religious leader of a billion people on a board devoted to mongering). You didn't even define if your tips are for ST or LT (and my examples have almost exclusively referred to ST) and your mongering history is difficult to ascertain as this was your fourth post on ISG. But thanks for the advice anyway! What does tire me is 2-3 STs during the day followed by a girl who stays the night and wants to cuddle and sleeps all over me. Im so tired right now I could sleep lying down a flight of stairs. Hope this reply is comprehendible.

Bill Lee
01-14-07, 17:28
can someone swing by this place one day and take some photos of the exterior and interior?

can this place add on high speed internet access at renter's expense?

i now have an interest in coming back to china and making cp my main stay.

bill


you can rent an apartment in changping for around 1500 to 3000 rmb a month. six month minimum.

or for short term rentals you might try the new manhattan service apartments at 523562 swanlake road. nightly rates are 168rmb. when you leave they will give you a 30rmb coupon. weekly and monthly rates are also available. call 86-769-83902211.

Santa
01-14-07, 20:32
Went to Zhangmutou, a nice town just 30 minutes north of Shenzhen.

Stayed at the very nice Solaris Hotel, 289rmb. Exit the hotel and turn left. Go three blocks and turn right. On the left side of the street you will see a Century 21 real estate sign. The are about 12 pinklight shops in the area behind the real estate store.

Laowai 123 lives in the area and likes to meet friends from the board, so if you are going, send him a PM. Zhangmutou is on the Shenzhen-Guangzhou railway line and has a station.

Lord Of Ruin
01-17-07, 02:49
Went to Zhangmutou, a nice town just 30 minutes north of Shenzhen.

Stayed at the very nice Solaris Hotel, 289rmb. Exit the hotel and turn left. Go three blocks and turn right. On the left side of the street you will see a Century 21 real estate sign. The are about 12 pinklight shops in the area behind the real estate store.

Laowai 123 lives in the area and likes to meet friends from the board, so if you are going, send him a PM. Zhangmutou is on the Shenzhen-Guangzhou railway line and has a station.Sweet! my friend has partnership in that place, although I haven't got round to trying out the KTV yet. How does it compare to other places in Zhangmutou?

I have connections with Garden hotel, but I haven't seen how thats been doing recently, any good?

Co Chinesee
01-17-07, 07:16
You can rent an apartment in Changping for around 1500 to 3000 rmb a month. Six month minimum.Do you have a phone number of this apartment?

Can you describe a little about the apartment facility?

Thanks

Laowai123
01-17-07, 08:40
Sweet! my friend has partnership in that place, although I haven't got round to trying out the KTV yet. How does it compare to other places in Zhangmutou?Do you mean Hotel Solaris KTV?

I was there only one time, did not like the room furniture - too uncomfortable for me, Mama ran out of girls. The problem with girls I also heard from another person. Hehe, maybe that's the reason why Crazier and I met one of Solaris KTV girls in the elevator of Miraton.

Which kind of partnership has your friend with Hotel Solaris? In case management/investment, you can tell him that they could do more. More to get and keep foreign guests, but this is another story. The staff is very friendly and I like them, but they are not running the hotel.

Btw, the sauna seems to be closed at Solaris, as the two floor numbers 7 and 8 are covered in the elevators now. Or maybe the changed something.


I have connections with Garden hotel, but I haven't seen how thats been doing recently, any good?I only know garden Hotel as a place where you can eat good dishes.

LW

Old Mean Dog
01-17-07, 15:38
Laowai 123 lives in the area and likes to meet friends from the board, so if you are going, send him a PM. Zhangmutou is on the Shenzhen-Guangzhou railway line and has a station.

My buddy and I are headed to DG/CP this Saturday nite and will stay for a few days. If anyone is interested in meeting up for a drink or a little mongering, shoot me a PM. Unsure of the hotel we will be at as we will stay at 3 different hotels for business research.

-SZE

Bill Lee
01-17-07, 16:16
Just spoke with mamasan at shop (#1) in alley next to the restaurant across from the Yalan hotel. There's a crackdown going on and they could close early. I call her about 11 p.m. and she was closed already. But she told me that they still open up at 3:00 p.m. and when it is hot, they will close early.

Bill

Loso69
01-18-07, 00:30
Tan Tan

As soon as I was settled into the Miraton Hotel, I walked towards the Hui Mei Hotel and was soon approached by a mamasan. She walked me to a nearby house with 5 girls. The mamasan was pushing an older girl with big tits, saying she gave great blowjobs. But I preferred a younger model, with a pretty face, sexy haircut and perfect figure. The mamasan asked for 250 RMB ST, but that was soon reduced to 200 RMB.

Tan Tan wasn’t exactly trigger-happy, but still posed for some pictures. I nibbled on her small, perky tits and ate her pussy for quite some time, which she seemed to love. She gave a decent BBBJ, which could have done with a little more suction power. She didn’t relish sitting on my “big” laowai dick, but since she was really wet, it slid in easily. After she rode me for a while, I pulled her close and started kissing her. She resisted my tongue at first, but finally succumbed to slow & intimate French kissing. I alternated between DFK and drilling her in various positions until I exploded.

Fancy Mamasan

As soon as I walked back out of the hotel, I was approached by another mamasan. Her girls were expensive (350 RMB ST – 700 RMB LT), but she claimed they were extremely beautiful. I was willing to check them out... but when the girls turned up to my room, they were very plain-looking. At least I got a free massage from the mamasan as I was waiting. :)

Xiao Yeu

I headed back to the Hui Mei BBS and visited a few houses, but it was after 10 PM and there were few girls around. One mamasan recommended Xiao Yeu, who was clinging to me as if I were her long lost daddy. When she flashed her huge melons, I decided to take them home. Her mamasan had a feeble attempt at extracting 600 RMB from the newbie, but quickly settled for the usual 500 RMB.

As I didn’t have enough cash on me to pay for Xiao Yeu’s services, I stopped by an ATM machine. The first one I tried wouldn’t accept foreign cards. The second one (next to McDonald’s)... simply swallowed my card. WTF?

I called the security guard over, who dialed the number displayed. It took a few phone calls and a helluva long time before I finally got to talk to someone who could speak proper English. I had to come back with my passport the next day at 9AM to pick up my card. Just what I needed! When I told her I didn’t feel like waking up early morning, we finally made an appointment for 12 noon.

After that ordeal, I still didn’t have any money! Xiao Yeu and I walked all the way to the Bank of China ATM. I was a relieved man when I heard the machine rattle as it was counting my money...

After walking back and gobbling some proteins at McDonald’s, we eventually made it to my room. Xiao Yeu seemed tired, but sprung into action when I put on some music. She loved to imitate the catwalk models on FTV, wearing the hotel bathrobe and flashing her colossal tits as she turned around. She put on a great show!

Xiao Yeu licked my dick as if it were a lollipop and was really loud as she was riding my dick with her huge tits swinging around. Another great show! The obligatory titty fuck was oodles of fun as well.

As I had to pick up my ATM card the next day, I set my alarm clock for 10.30AM, so I could get another round in. I thought the BBS girls had to be back by noon, but Xiao Yeu was in no hurry to leave, and I eventually had to hurry her up to make sure I didn’t miss my appointment at the bank.

Epilogue

It only took me about an hour to break my duck in Changping. After that, Xiao Yeu was the first Chinese girl to spend the night with me in China, and she was delightful company.

It was a great day. The first of many, I hoped...

Loso

Crazier
01-18-07, 04:05
.....and ate her pussy for quite some time, which she seemed to love....


............It only took me about an hour to break my duck in Changping.....

Loso



Loso,

Nice to read your continuing reports here!

I love to eat them too but have resisted WLs most of the time due to FEAR.

Just wonder if other mongers on this board have opnions / comments based on their 'incidents" of diseases and other dreaded negatives!

After all, its like dining in a "public sewer."

You could take less time to "break your duck" in CP if you phone in next time and have the girl wait for you in reception upon check in ! Now that you have the Mamasan numbers and some contacts for the girls directly.

I think I saw you leaving the Miraton Hotel that night on the way out to "break your duck." But I was so surprised to see you & my thoughts were "where have I seen that laowai before?"

C.

Downunder96
01-18-07, 05:15
Just a thought (might sound silly)! You could use those Microwave thin plastic wrap to cover the puss :)

DU96


Loso,

Nice to read your continuing reports here!

I love to eat them too but have resisted WLs most of the time due to FEAR.

Just wonder if other mongers on this board have opnions / comments based on their 'incidents" of diseases and other dreaded negatives!

After all, its like dining in a "public sewer."

You could take less time to "break your duck" in CP if you phone in next time and have the girl wait for you in reception upon check in ! Now that you have the Mamasan numbers and some contacts for the girls directly.

I think I saw you leaving the Miraton Hotel that night on the way out to "break your duck." But I was so surprised to see you & my thoughts were "where have I seen that laowai before?"

C.

Loso69
01-18-07, 20:46
Crazier,

I fucked 177 different girls in 10 countries last year and licked the pussy of every girl that would let me (and was clean). No problem whatsoever! :) It gets them in the mood, and will very likely lead to great sex.

I still don't speak a word of Chinese. Phones are useless to me!

Loso

RCA Knight
01-18-07, 21:30
Eating pussy is basically quite safe if you don't have canker sore or bleeding gum, but ass rimming is more dangerous. I have a good friend who had sex holiday in Thailand last year for several weeks, rimmed about 20 somtam asses, and went back to Germany very satisfied.

Soon after he went back, he got so sick in every imaginable way, could not even get up, later determined to be contracted hepatitis A, he superficially blamed it on dirty foods in Thailand, but deep inside he knew most likely from eating these spicy somtam asses.

Loso69
01-19-07, 01:25
Xiao Lin

After I’d gotten my ATM card back from the bank, I got a phone call from Reader123 (from ISG). We arranged to meet up when he finished working. Until then... I had time to fit in a ST.

I headed back to the Hui Mei BBS and met a clairvoyant mamasan who knew exactly who I wanted. Not only was Xiao Lin a true beauty with the sexiest of dimples, she was also a real sweetie who provided the most wonderful service.

BBS Trolling

When Reader123 got off work, we caught a van to the Yalan Hotel and spent hours visiting the different BBS in the area. Every time we walked out of one BBS, a mamasan would be waiting to escort us to the next one. We must have visited 10+ BBS, each with a selection of 10-20 girls.

The mamasans popped out the girls’ tits to show their pink nipples. The girls were clinging onto us like leeches, so we wouldn’t be able to leave without them. The BBS were great fun! But even though there were plenty of China Dolls I was instantly in lust with, I wanted the full tour...

Xiao La Jiao

When Reader123 finally selected a girl, I picked my favorite from the same BBS. Xiao La Jiao was a spunky one. She started French kissing me in the BBS and the look in her eye revealed she was the kind of girl who would devour me. I wasn’t far wrong...

When we got to my room, she pushed me on to the bed, jumped my bones and stuck her tongue down my throat again. After the shower, she positioned herself like a tigress and let her tongue go to work on my dick. My Little Pepper was a real expert when it comes to making a guy horny as hell.

She was reluctant to let me eat her pussy at first, but once she’d felt my tongue on her clit, she couldn’t get enough of it. As we were fucking, she was pressing my body against hers and pushing my dick deep inside her. God, did this girl ever love to fuck!

Xiao La Jiao was definitely a keeper, and when we headed to Reader123’s room, he decided to turn his ST into a LT as well. After dinner at Happy Together, we hopped on motorcycles to Xinde disco, and ordered 10 bottles of beer. My Little Pepper whipped Reader123’s ass at Liar’s Dice... by cheating. :) The techno music was blaring, but Chinese girls don’t have a clue how to dance. Maybe they were all high on XTC. Anyway, the disco was good fun.

After my Little Pepper shared a couple of dozen oysters with Reader123, she was even hornier than before. An amazing round of sweaty, animal sex ensued...

When we woke up early afternoon, Xiao La Jiao cuddled up to me and initiated an equally wonderful 3rd round. After that, she decided it was time for me to learn some Mandarin. She wrote down some words, had me memorize them and then quizzed me. God help me if I got one wrong. :)

My Little Pepper comes highly recommended!

Loso

Mongerxx
01-19-07, 03:20
Hey Loso,

You know I don't speak any Mandarin either, but I was still able to use my HP with some positive effect. Nokia has this great free CHinese-English dictionary for some of their symbian phones. I was able to communicate with SMS with some girls as you can cut paste from the dictionary to your SMS text editor. Further you can do the same with incoming text. I was pretty impressed that some of these girls had figured out this solution independently.

You can get this software off a number of Nokia websites.

It also proved to be useful in the field communicating with taxi drivers. I was also able to tell the mamasans to bring me the horniest girl by showing them the modern chinese text for the word on my HP.

This is a great free application.

Crazier
01-19-07, 04:38
Crazier,

I fucked 177 different girls in 10 countries last year and licked the pussy of every girl that would let me (and was clean). No problem whatsoever! :)

Loso

Good for you.

May the statistics continue to work in your favour.

I know someone who inspects at length (incl smelling them) all pussies before deciding if he should eat or go BB etc. In some places, I understand he brings a mini touchlight!

Have often wondered aloud with him how he could see everything including the viruses.

He said, his inspections for physical signs and smelling just about covers most of the greater risks!

I wonder if that has any scientific background to it.

Another friend based in Pattaya eats all the ladies he can and says that "saliva" is a great "inhibitor" etc etc.

There are also people walking around with the HIV virus (just saw a report on this lady in Africa on CNN) who do not go on to develop AIDS and seem to be living forever! But they are the exception and scientists are studing them so the report says.

My own thoughts are that each of us is built differently and some of us have greater immunities than others.

The fact that Loso has eaten 177 girls in 10 different countries (how many were WLs?) and come out SAFE does not mean that we can all walk that same line - just my opinion.

Anyway, I would close on that subject here because this discussion should belong to a different thread!

best regards and happy "eating"

C.

One Wing Low
01-19-07, 06:24
with beauties like these 2.

Have to try the Yalan BBS next time.


Xiao Lin
Loso

Laowai123
01-19-07, 06:50
BnLee2 already mentioned a way to see the Jia Yi girls before work and without paying for a room in his post:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=550437&postcount=1805

I can confirm this as I had this catwalk yesterday when checking JiaYi Hotel. So what do you have to do:

- go to the Hotel around 5pm/5:30pm
- take a seat in the small coffee bar next to the entrance to the hotel
- or, just position yourself near the hotel entrance or around the street corner

What will you see (and what did I see):

- girls, girls, girls.
- I think I saw at least 200 walking out to surrounding small restaurants having there dinner
- mostly young faces
- some real cute girls (from my POV)

After what I could see, BnLee2s experience (see his report) with the information that the girls maybe have some troubles when a customer complains about bad service - which hopefully includes her "service" outside the KTV in the hotel room - I am thinking now, to give them a try next time to see, if they are really their "service fee" worth. Who knows.

Time for an ISG meeting at JiaYi? Drop a PM or SMS.

LW

Laowai123
01-19-07, 07:05
Attached you will find the updated Google Earth file with locations in CP

Updates:
- location of PP KTV corrected
- Lucky Hotel added
- some typos corrected

Please feel free to find mistakes and send corrections via PM. I will keep this file up-dated and you can the latest one when searching for "CP-Locations-ISG-Google" in this sub-forum.

I hope this file will support some of you during your time in CP.

CP-Location-ISG-Google v2, 20070119

LW

ManonsanBoy
01-19-07, 10:30
He said, his inspections for physical signs and smelling just about covers most of the greater risks!




You cannot smell HIV but HIV is seldom transmitted by oral sex

Santa
01-19-07, 11:12
Last night I found a beautiful eighteen year old white tiger from Chongqing, fresh of the mountain farm. A very rare species! Wowww!!! Where do these mamas find them? They must be raiding farmer Wang's chicken coop.

Her skills were not very good, but she was affectionate and fun, and I was ecstatic when I discovered she was a natural.

Pity Dr Ace Gallant wasn't here to do an examination and comfirm.

Bill Lee
01-19-07, 15:16
Listen you king of CP. Get yourself a camera phone already and post some of their pics or at least e-mail them to me (hehehehe).

Bill




Last night I found a beautiful eighteen year old white tiger from Chongqing, fresh of the mountain farm. A very rare species! Wowww!!! Where do these mamas find them? They must be raiding farmer Wang's chicken coop.

Her skills were not very good, but she was affectionate and fun, and I was ecstatic when I discovered she was a natural.

Pity Dr Ace Gallant wasn't here to do an examination and comfirm.

Loso69
01-19-07, 20:49
Chang Ping,

I’ve been home for over a month already. You were the guy who got my girl drunk playing Liar’s Dice in the disco, right?

Maybe you better edit your posts and erase the other half of NY’s name as well. He may not appreciate seeing his name on the board.

Jackson,

You must read everything that’s posted on this board to weed out posts like that. :)

Loso

Loso69
01-20-07, 04:29
Pao Be

After having lunch at McDonald’s, I took my usual stroll to the Hui Mei area to find some afternoon company. Pao Be was just the ticket.

She had a great figure when dressed and turned out to be really skinny when she took her clothes off. She must have overdosed on those miracle Chinese slimming pills.

Pao Be gave a good BBBJ and got really wet as I sucked on her tiny clit. Nevertheless, she really hurt as I fucked her equally tiny pussy...

Prince Karaoke

When I texted Reader123 and asked what his plans were, he replied: “KTV tonight”. There were 3 of us in our party: Reader123, a regular visitor at the Prince Karaoke who I’ll refer to as Q and yours truly.

Once we were settled into our room, the mamasans took their turn to present us their collection. We went through about 20 line-ups, each consisting of about 10 girls. At an upscale KTV joint, I expected the girls to be a cut above the BBS girls. Apart from the fancy evening gowns, there was absolutely no evidence of that.

My partners in crime weren’t exactly impressed with the selection either. I did see one girl I really liked, but since neither of the other guys had picked a girl yet, I wasn’t ready to commit either.

When we’d gone through all the line-ups... they started all over again. I enquired about the girl I liked, but she was no longer available. In the end, I picked a girl (Sofia)... and then picked a second one (Xiao Yuen).

Reader123 finally picked a cutie as well. Q didn’t see anyone he particularly liked and ended up calling one of his regulars to come and join him.

Xiao Yuen was definitely the more affectionate of the 2 girls. We were cuddling, she gave me a few kisses... Sofia was on her best behavior during the 15 minute grace period, but turned stone cold after that. She wouldn’t even let me kiss her on the cheek.

After suffering an evening of lousy singing & mediocre food, I asked Xiao Yuen if she wanted to go with me. She couldn’t... because her period was about to start. Sofia... simply shook her head.

At the start of the evening, I’d asked my Chinese friends if a KTV girl was likely to refuse sleeping with a customer. It may hardly ever happen if you’re Chinese, but it happened to this laowai... twice.

The room charge and tips cost each of us 400 RMB. The sitting fee for my 2 girls came to another 400 RMB. I paid our host Q, threw the girls' money on the table and walked out. My KTV experience set me back 800 RMB... for nothing.

BTW, Reader123 took his girl home, but sent her packing after 1 round. No GFE.

A Lin

Reader123 was nice enough to accompany me to the Night Market, where you can still find company late at night. I wasn’t expecting much, and the girls did seem to be a sorry bunch. But out of nowhere, a real beauty suddenly appeared. I’d have picked her in a flash if I’d seen A Lin at the KTV! And she was only 400 RMB LT. Deal!

My experience with A Lin was similar to Pao Be earlier that day. She was a sweet girl. She gave me a good BBBJ. She showed me her swollen pussy when we finished fucking. Ouch!

Even though we went to sleep late, A Lin woke me up at 7.30 AM, all dressed up and ready to go. I fully understood she didn’t wanna fuck again, but that was no reason to do a runner on me. I told her to get back in bed, turned around and went back to sleep. She joined me... and gave me another BBBJ when I woke up. :)

Loso

RCA Knight
01-20-07, 06:58
Loso: A-Lin is a bargain at 400 yuan all night with numerous bbbj. More pics of A-Lin will be nice.

I am always too shy to keep the LT girl when they make the ultra early morning run away. I have to learn from you, just pull them back to bed next time.

Ace Gallant
01-20-07, 08:03
Loso: A-Lin is a bargain at 400 yuan all night with numerous bbbj. More pics of A-Lin will be nice.

I am always too shy to keep the LT girl when they make the ultra early morning run away. I have to learn from you, just pull them back to bed next time.

RCA, Loso,

A slight correction just to make sure others do not misunderstand and overpay.

150 for ST and 400 for LT is standard price if you take the girls from the Night Market. It is not a bargain.

I had taken girls from there a couple of times and the price had always been that. However, as usual the mamas there are smart, I recalled the multiple times in which I was there with either my White American friends (Including Santa) they will very quick to ask for 500 for LT. Even Bill Lee, a non-Mandarin speaking ABC, was not spared.

Now what I understand from the fact why the girls here are priced lower is mainly because most of them are KTV rejects. They either used to work in KTV before and got themselve fired because of complains from their clients due to Bad Attitude or Bad service, or their rate of been picked by KTV goers are slim due to their looks or body.

I understand why it is always good to get a good bargain on price but if we do look at it at another angle, what's a 100RMB difference to us? US$12? But to them, 100RMB means a lot! Sometimes we pay a little more but still get bad service; I would tell myself, Oh well.... fuck it! take the money and fuck off! But sometimes, when facing bad attitudes from the girls, I will not even pay extra 5 RMB for Taxi money!

For those who are bargain hunters, here some tips applicable for the Night Market:
1) When negotiating with the mamas always used the phase: "But I just took a girl from here last night for 400! Why 500 now?"
2) Hunt in a group, you have better negotiation power than when you hunt alone. Because the mama will know if she do not agree on the price the rest of the group will take the walk to the next stall.
3) Make your choice quickly, if you don;t see what you like, move on. Sometimes you may sit on the edge about one girl and the mama know how to take advantage that you like the girls and therefore will not move on the price. They are very fast to spot your hesitiation expression on your face.

Enjoy!
AG

Loso69
01-20-07, 20:08
RCA & AG,

Reader123 negotiated the price for me at the Night Market. He’s ethnic Chinese.

I didn’t visit the Night Market because it was cheap. I didn’t even know the prices in advance. The BBS close at midnight. After midnight, the Night Market is your best bet (I was told).

More pictures of A-Lin attached.

Loso

Loso69
01-21-07, 02:57
Wen Wen

The next afternoon, Reader123 and I visited the Swan Lake Hotel, where 5-6 hotel rooms feature girls in elegant evening dresses. The place looks a little more upscale than the nearby Yalan BBS, but prices are the same (2-5). The girls did seem more stuck-up, though...

My favorite in the first BBS we visited... turned me down. Second BBS... same story. After checking out the other rooms, my eyes focused on Wen Wen. She was game to accompany the laowai...

When Reader123 found suitable company as well, the four of us headed for a nearby restaurant to have lunch. Reader123 prefers to get to know the girls before he fucks them. :) He believes inviting them to lunch/dinner will lead to a better GFE. It may be less useful if you can’t actually communicate with the girl, but it makes perfect sense.

Anyway, we spent a long time in the restaurant and Wen Wen was doing most of the talking. While she seemed to have all the time in the world in the restaurant, she was in a real hurry once we got to my room. She even had to put her clothes back on for the photo shoot...

That wasn’t a good sign, but I still got a pretty good performance out of her, even though the service was somewhat mechanical. She was OK with kissing, but wouldn’t agree to DFK. She was happy to let me nibble her neck and suck on her amazing rock hard tits, but wouldn’t let me eat her pussy. She gave a good BBBJ and got really wet as I drilled her pussy, but didn’t exhibit any real passion.

I’d paid the usual 100 RMB deposit to her mamasan and gave Wen Wen another 150 RMB, which included a 50 RMB tip. When she insisted on being paid 300 RMB, I called Reader123’s room to confirm the prices. She argued (with him) that she wanted more money because she’d spent so much time with me (almost 3 hours). On Reader123’s advice, I gave her another 50 RMB and escorted her to the door. She still wasn’t a happy camper and was on the phone to her mamasan straight away. I simply closed the door on her...

Wei Wei

After sending Wen Wen packing, I obviously wanted another girl. Reader123 wasn’t sure whether to keep his girl or not, but left her in his room and joined me for the hunt.

Wei Wei wasn’t the hottest looking girl, but came highly recommended by her mamasan. She started kissing me and grabbed my dick to see if I was hard. She had a smile on her face and a twinkle in her eye as she said: “Ta” (big).

After a long photo shoot, we undressed each other. As soon as she’d taken my undies off, Wei Wei got down on her knees and started sucking my dick. She was the first (and only) Chinese girl to give me a BBBJ without thoroughly washing my dick first.

As I was eating her pussy, she was biting the pillow and squeezing her own tits. Suddenly, she jumped up and ran off to the bathroom. :)

When I joined her in the shower, she washed my dick and then started blowing me again. When she alternated rinsing and sucking my dick, it felt amazing. When we finally moved to the bed, she immediately got back to where she left off... with my dick in her mouth. Wei Wei clearly wanted a taste of laowai come... and eventually got what she wanted. :) After eating her pussy got her nice and wet again, we fucked each other’s brains out. What a gal!

Reader123 finally decided against switching girls and we treated our honeys to a lavish seafood dinner. After that, we were off to the Xin Dong Tai Disco.

Wei Wei was tired after shaking her butt in the disco, and promptly fell asleep after showering. I let her rest for a while, and then woke her up gently... by eating her pussy again. Another round of heavenly sex ensued.

We finally went to sleep at 6AM and woke up around 2PM. Wei Wei was late for work already...

Loso

Weelock
01-21-07, 08:13
Crazier,

I fucked 177 different girls in 10 countries last year and licked the pussy of every girl that would let me (and was clean). No problem whatsoever! :) It gets them in the mood, and will very likely lead to great sex.

I still don't speak a word of Chinese. Phones are useless to me!

Loso


Neuromancer,

I was accompanied by mongers who did speak Chinese…

Ace Gallant,

We did meet in CP. You’ll even get a mention in my report. :)

If it leads to better sex, I’ll take my chances...

BTW, are you suggesting that Chinese mongers don't cover up?

Loso




--cut--
RCA Knight,

My last soapie girl in Thailand fucked me bareback and insisted I come inside her. Afterwards, she told me she wanted to know what it would feel like. As a disclaimer, I have to say that I speak perfect Thai.

--cut--



I just want to reiterate to PRACTICE SAFE SEX. I posted this in 2005. There was a German guy that visted Thailand a few years ago and got AIDS because he went bareback. Well after finding out he got AIDS, he didn't care about anything. He then started to pay extra to have unprotected sex knowing he had AIDS. He wanted every girl, to get AIDS. It is estimate he had sex with over 500 girls. Several of them currently has AIDS or some kind of STD. These poor farm girls will not stop having sex if they know they got a STD or AIDS. And for sure they are not going to tell you. If a girl told you she has Genital Herpes or AIDS, will you still have sex with her? They will continue to have sex because they need the money and to send money back home. These poor uneducated farm girls have a very limited knowledge of STD. If you don't get a STD, then some kind of other disease like Hepatitis which is very common in 3rd world countries. I think the German guy is currently in jail or dead, not sure.

Next, those new to ISG or WSGForum called before, should read and see CRONIN's postings. There were grossed out close up pictures of a pussy in 2004 01-24-04. I tried looking ( search ) for these pictures but I only found the link ( post ) no attachment of pictures. There are cases of mongers catching STD and a few getting something from DATY in the "Safe Sex" thread. Now a women's vaginal fluid can maintain the HIV virus,


http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/archive/index.php/t-1084-p-2.html

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=268


Cronin's pictures should scare anybody. It's some kind of STD of an inflamed redish pussy with bad warts or sores everywhere. Please be responsible and considerate to other mongers. I could see it now, some girl asking for child support or you getting STD.

Other than my opinion of practicing safe sex, I Do like your reports and pictures.


Sorry for preaching and my poor writing skills.......

Loso69
01-21-07, 16:08
Weelock,

I eat their pussies. I love BBBJs. I adore French kissing. And that’s never gonna change.

But I do cover up for sex! Cases where the girl insists on BB sex (which I usually can’t resist) are pretty rare.

BTW, every monger should get vaccinated against hepatitis A and B!

Loso

Weelock
01-21-07, 20:05
Weelock,

I eat their pussies. I love BBBJs. I adore French kissing. And that’s never gonna change.

But I do cover up for sex! Cases where the girl insists on BB sex (which I usually can’t resist) are pretty rare.

BTW, every monger should get vaccinated against hepatitis A and B!

Loso


Crazier,

I fucked 177 different girls in 10 countries last year and licked the pussy of every girl that would let me (and was clean). No problem whatsoever! :) It gets them in the mood, and will very likely lead to great sex.

I still don't speak a word of Chinese. Phones are useless to me!

Loso

Great, you do wear a rain coat. I got the impression that you don't sometime. From one post about Thailand you didn't. Hopefully, you didn't catch anything in 10 countries and will NOT catch anything in the future.

You must be rich to travel and to stay in 10 countries for a middle age guy. Then I wonder why I read you said the KTV's were bloody expensive and trying to get the best deals. Now, I'm poor, cheap and a frugal bastard. Like most of the time, I will take a bus or motor cabbie while other take a taxi or private car. I try to save money here and there and sadly it has gotten me in trouble a few times.


Sorry for preaching and my poor writing skills.


PS. A women's vaginal fluid can maintain the HIV virus.

Loso69
01-21-07, 22:48
Weelock,

I don’t make nearly as much money as people who read my reports think I do. I just happen to spend it all on hoes.

Like you, I’m cheap when it comes to transportation. It’s a great way to economize without jeopardizing the quality of the mongering experience.

KTVs are bloody expensive, compared to the other available options. My thoughts on KTV will be part of the conclusions on Changping.

Loso

Loso69
01-21-07, 23:00
Fong Fong

The next afternoon, Reader123 and I headed for the Hui Mei BBS looking for some ST action. At the first BBS we visited, I was surprised when the mamasan offered the most beautiful girl in the house... to the laowai. :) I didn’t have to think twice.

Reader123 picked up a beauty at the Jia Mei Hotel and we walked to Happy Together to have lunch. Unlike yesterday, neither girl wanted to have anything to eat or drink. Unlike yesterday, the girls weren’t talkative at all. As Reader123 and I were chatting, I expected the girls to talk to each other, but they never exchanged a word. Weird!

Fong Fong wouldn’t let me suck on her magnificent hooters at first – I did anyway. She wouldn’t let me eat her pussy – I did anyway. She wouldn’t kiss – we ended up kissing anyway. She wouldn’t suck my dick – she gave me a great BBBJ anyway.

Fong Fong had the model look, and the prima donna attitude that goes with it. Having to insist on every little thing was tiresome, but yielded dividends. In the end, Fong Fong was a pretty good fuck.

Xie Min

In the evening, Reader123 and I checked out the Yalan area, looking for overnight company. I picked a Japanese-looking cutie that was on my to-do list. Reader123 was sandwiched between 2 girls and undecided about who to pick.

As Reader123 was pondering his options, guess who walked in? Ace Gallant and HoseGuy had just stepped off the plane. Ace Gallant looked the part of the Chinese playboy I’d imagined him to be and put a deposit down for a genuine pair of twins. HoseGuy found a girl to keep his bed warm as well. Reader123 finally...made up his mind. :)

We all headed back to the Miraton Hotel and had dinner at the Chinese restaurant. As Reader123’s girl wasn’t a very good dinner companion, he realized that he’d picked the wrong girl and talked about switching girls later. More about that in the next episode. :)

Anyway, Xie Min was really affectionate at the BBS, which was part of the reason she got the gig. She continued to be a total sweetie when we hit my room, as we spent our time dancing, cuddling and kissing.

Her BBBJ was rather shallow, but the sweet kisses as we were fucking made up for that. Even though she hurt in the end, Xie Min was a total GFE.

As we didn’t go to sleep all that late, we woke up relatively early. After more sweet love, Xie Min was hungry. We made it to the breakfast buffet just in time. It was the one and only occasion on this whole trip that I took advantage of the complimentary breakfast... for two. :)

BTW, when I got my laptop out to burn Xie Min a CD with her pictures, she logged onto a Chinese QQQ (chat) site and showed me her pictures.

Loso

Weelock
01-22-07, 00:33
Weelock,

I don’t make nearly as much money as people who read my reports think I do. I just happen to spend it all on hoes.

Like you, I’m cheap when it comes to transportation. It’s a great way to economize without jeopardizing the quality of the mongering experience.

KTVs are bloody expensive, compared to the other available options. My thoughts on KTV will be part of the conclusions on Changping.

Loso

Actually transportation, ( taxis, buses ) and food is relatively cheap in China but everything adds up. To me, I find, Shenzhen and HK are expensive for taxis. Main reason I travel alone most of the time. Taxis are not economical for one person. I don’t know about Northern China but I believe it’s about the same for big cities.

The most expensive part is the airfare from the USA. It is about $900-1200USD. After airfare, it's staying at a Western Standard hotels. It will cost about $300-500RMB for a 3-4 star hotel. That’s about 9000 to 15000RMB a month. Depending on the city and time, it can be even higher. Then the money spend on the girls and other misc expense. If you add everything, I estimate it’s about 4500 to 6000USD for a month’s vacation in China. Now you’re gone for one year. I wonder what’s the total for 1 year’s expense to 10 different places. Yes, this is all cheap compared to mongering in developed Western Country like the USA or Western Europe but it's still hard for most people and me to afford A 1 YEAR VACATION.

OldAsiaHand
01-22-07, 02:04
Chang Ping,


I will be in CP on the 24th. Subscribe to the fourm and PM me your digits so we cann hook-up.

OAH



Friend of Ace Gallant here. I was wondering if anyone wld be around next week 22nd - 26th and would like to get together to party?

Hey LOSO69,

Good to see you still in action and enjoy your contris. We partied last time together with the New Yorker.

Newbie non-subscriber so not sure if there is anyway to make contact via other means

Cheers

===============================================

Hi,

Do you mean that a sophisticated world traveler such as yourself can't afford a $13 subscription to support this forum and all the work I do to keep it maintained?

Come on dude, a forum subscription is less than the price of a newspaper once a week.

Thanks,

Jackson

Fast Eddie 48
01-22-07, 16:53
Chang Ping,


I will be in CP on the 24th. Subscribe to the fourm and PM me your digits so we cann hook-up.

OAH


to OAH

I just spend 2 days in CP I am in shenzhen right now will head to Gulin tomorrow for some fun never been there , all the mamasan miss you have not seen you for over a week , I found most of the mommie have move to swan lake hotel ktv just 5 min walk from yalan , about 4 group of about 8 girl there are many HK monger on saturday and they are trying to charge 250 rmb for st and find a nice hubei girl settle for 200 st .

I will try to contact you if I have some time and go back to cp next week before I fly back to the US.

fast eddie 48

Loso69
01-22-07, 20:15
Weelock,

I never said I took a year off. I usually work 6 months a year and spend most of the other 6 months traveling and mongering.

Last year, I spent:

- 4 days in Warsaw over Easter.
- 1 week in Bangkok, 1 night in Kota Kinabalu and 3 weeks in AC in April/May.
- 2 nights in Prague and 9 nights in Odessa in July.
- 3 nights in Abu Dhabi and over a month in the PI in August/September.
- 2 weeks in Cuba in September/October.
- 2 weeks in the DR in October.
- 4 weeks in China in November/December.

Loso

Weelock
01-22-07, 21:17
Weelock,

I never said I took a year off. I usually work 6 months a year and spend most of the other 6 months traveling and mongering.

Last year, I spent:

- 4 days in Warsaw over Easter.
- 1 week in Bangkok, 1 night in Kota Kinabalu and 3 weeks in AC in April/May.
- 2 nights in Prague and 9 nights in Odessa in July.
- 3 nights in Abu Dhabi and over a month in the PI in August/September.
- 2 weeks in Cuba in September/October.
- 2 weeks in the DR in October.
- 4 weeks in China in November/December.

Loso

Sorry...about the 1 year. I thought you were semi-retired like some members I know on ISG. I would love to join you in just half these places.

What's AC and DR? I thought you went to Rio also sometime last year.

Phantomtiger2
01-22-07, 22:33
I can't afford it.

What's AC and DR? I thought you went to Rio also sometime last year.



AC= Angeles City, Philippine (as I doubt he meant Atlantic City, New Jersey)
DR= Dominican Republic

And man, I wish I could monger 6 months a year.



PT

Diver69
01-22-07, 23:00
Can someone enlighten me as to where this Night market that's been mentioned by LOSO and others is?

Is it the walking street full of clothing stores? I was there back in Dec but did not see any action. May be I was paying attention.

Diver

Bill Lee
01-23-07, 00:12
It's that side street along the main road going to Yalan from Miraton. It's opposite what I believe is a hospital on the right side. At night, the hospital sign has an orange like glow to them.

No. I don't believe there any clothing stores on that street.

There are about 5 to 8 shops each with about 5 to 10 working gals there. They are priced at 150RMB for take out. The Li Hua hotel is located directly across from the shops. The Li Hua Hotel is the red star on the left on the map.

According to the Li Hua Hotel biz card, Yalan would be on the right bottom corner and the road on the left side is where you would be coming from the Miraton.

AG took us there one night and we saw about 25 working girls. They were both inside the store front shops and outside their shops.

Bill




Can someone enlighten me as to where this Night market that's been mentioned by LOSO and others is?

Is it the walking street full of clothing stores? I was there back in Dec but did not see any action. May be I was paying attention.

Diver

Loso69
01-23-07, 00:26
Diver69,

Business card and map for the Li Hua Hotel (Night Market) have been attached.

Weelock,

My last vsist to Rio was in 2005. I'll be back this year...

Loso

Ace Gallant
01-23-07, 02:47
It's that side street along the main road going to Yalan from Miraton. It's opposite what I believe is a hospital on the right side. At night, the hospital sign has an orange like glow to them.

No. I don't believe there any clothing stores on that street.

There are about 5 to 8 shops each with about 5 to 10 working gals there. They are priced at 150RMB for take out. The Li Hua hotel is located directly across from the shops. The Li Hua Hotel is the red star on the left on the map.

According to the Li Hua Hotel biz card, Yalan would be on the right bottom corner and the road on the left side is where you would be coming from the Miraton.

AC took us there one night and we saw about 25 working girls. They were both inside the store front shops and outside their shops.

Bill

The main road Dong Xing Lu connects to Swan Lake Road, Tian Er Hu Lu, same road going to Yalan Hotel about 200m before reaching Yalan if you are coming from Downtown ChangPing. The night market is on Dong Xing Er Lu, a side street across the road from ChangPing Hospital. What you see in Loso's map is a bit smaller than the actual. They are walking distance but the Train station is not that near as indicated on the map.

I was told that most of the girl working there were KTV or Sauna rejects or had not reached the KTV / Saunas standards to be working in there. So the standard price is 150 ST, 400 LT

On an average night which starts at around 9pm, you can get up to 40 - 50 girls. Don't go there too early or too late because the girls are quickly taken up. I was there the first time at around 11pm there were about 30 girls. but the second time; only about 10. The last time I was there at 10pm there were only 5. The girls normally starts coming out of their living quaters at around 9pm and you can see some of them sitting around the low knee high table outside the shops eating some kind of hot pot. Bascially it is a local residential area. The shops on both sides are food stalls, convient stores, Long distance phone shop. Li Hua Hotel is a cheap alternative for a quickie @ 108 per night and 60 for 4 hours.

Enjoy!
AG

BTW: Bill; who's AC? Someone I should meet in my next trip there this weekend?

Loso69
01-23-07, 20:30
A Ping

After waving Xie Min goodbye, it was still too early to head for the BBS, so I went back to sleep. When I woke up, it was 4PM already. Holy shit!

I walked over to the Jia Mei Hotel, where Reader123 had picked up a real beauty the previous day. But she was nowhere to be seen and the selection wasn’t that great. I finally picked a cutie that seemed enthusiastic about fucking a laowai.

A Ping wasn’t into taking pictures, but apart from that, the service was great. She gave me a cat bath & a great BBBJ, and pumped my dick long and hard. As I was drilling her like a machine gun with her tongue down my throat, I couldn’t hold my juices any longer.

Yuen Yuen

When I went to Yalan, I bumped into Yuen Yuen in the hotel lobby. She was a real cutie-pie with the most enchanting smile. Simply irresistible! I took her home straight away.

The photo shoot with Yuen Yuen was great fun, as she graced every picture with that amazing smile while striking some imaginative poses.

We started fooling around before we hit the shower, getting both of us in the mood. Yuen Yuen’s natural beauty and sweet disposition made me horny as hell. Fucking her felt amazing, but it still took an awful long time before I came. Yuen Yuen’s tiny pussy took a real pounding before I finally released my swimmers.

After a romantic dinner at Happy Together, I wanted to get together with Reader123 and head for the disco. But...

Yuen Yuen was one of two girls who had been sitting with Reader123 the previous night... the one he didn’t take. He talked about switching girls at dinner, but I didn’t think he’d actually go through with it. He did! :eek:

When we met up in the hotel lobby, Yuen Yuen was reunited with yesterday’s customer. :) It must have been a little awkward for her, but she was a good sport.

At Xinde Disco, Yuen Yuen started playing Liar’s Dice with Chang Ping. Stubbornly opening with ‘3 ones’ got her drunk. When we got back to my room, she simply collapsed on my bed. I helped her undress and cuddled up to her...

When we woke up early afternoon, Yuen Yuen didn’t really want to fuck. I knew she hurt the previous night, though she never complained. She ended up sucking my dick non-stop for over half an hour until she got her protein shake. And she swallowed it! :)

Loso

Chang Ping
01-24-07, 02:15
Just signed up and by the time I'm activated to send PM OAH would already have arrived at CP. If someone who knows him can be kind enough to call him to check his pm or pm me his contact number...would appreciate it.

OK here is the FR

Live report from CP.

Arrived yesterday afternoon and put in a call to one of the bros here who have been partying since last Fri, golfing ostensibly :-) Well surely the 19th hole was very popular.

Anyway they were busy with their massage and I needed to get my fix as I've been counting down the days for this.

After settling down in my usual hotel (nice to be greeted by friendly faces who recognise you). I walked down to New Century wanting to scratch off one of my to do lists - 1 + 1 teacher/trainer. Unfortunately all of been taken up but all is not lost ....at 3pm I know that Yalan is only beginning to stir with activity :-)

So I merrily hopped on a breadvan and headed to Yalan. First stop is the joint above the restaurant that was across from Yalan hotel. Mummy who escorted me up there was ever so pushy and I get the distinct feeling she was pushing the less attractive girls at me. On reflection I think this to be accurate...afterall the attractive ones would get taken up later in the day without much touting.

So not finding any to my liking I took my leave and walked out onto the street to scout for other gems. Went to a previous joint but discovered they had moved...oh no :-( This was where my friend and I picked up a wonderful coco lee lookalike and her shuang fei fuck buddy. I really mean that as in fuck buddy because they would literally eat each other out and DFK which is rare as hell. So things were started to get a little less positive than I had hoped BUT all that was soon to chage. To cut a long story short. I picked the quietest girl of the lot and she turned out to be a real gem. Well I soon learned that the reason why she was quiet was because she only arrived yesterday and had 1 HKG client last night and with whom she did not stay with for LT. I took this slow and treated her like a GF and that worked wonders. It was also pleasant to see that she at least had shaved armpits so all was not lost in the grooming dept. Sooo we soaped and showered each other and ended up in bed with lots of DFK and fingering. She was also very open to doing BBBJ and was willing to learn so that was good. Personally the positiveness of my experience can be measured by the positive experience of the meis meis with me. The chemistry was indeed good and I was rewarded with a very very wet bedsheet courtesy of her juices hehehe

Sooo with that afternoon touchdown fuck dispensed with, metup with the group for dinner (including bro Spoon fork and others whose names shall not disclose) and we proceeded to Hui Hua KTV for part two. Oh that turned out to be good too and with video footage hahahaa

To be continued.

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Ace Gallant
01-24-07, 05:17
Just signed up and by the time I'm activated to send PM OAH would already have arrived at CP. If someone who knows him can be kind enough to call him to check his pm or pm me his contact number...would appreciate it.

So not finding any to my liking I took my leave and walked out onto the street to scout for other gems. Went to a previous joint but discovered they had moved...oh no :-( This was where my friend and I picked up a wonderful coco lee lookalike and her shuang fei fuck buddy. I really mean that as in fuck buddy because they would literally eat each other out and DFK which is rare as hell. So things were started to get a little less positive than I had hoped BUT all that was soon to chage. To cut a long story short. I picked the quietest girl of the lot and she turned out to be a real gem. Well I soon learned that the reason why she was quiet was because she only arrived yesterday and had 1 HKG client last night and with whom she did not stay with for LT. I took this slow and treated her like a GF and that worked wonders. It was also pleasant to see that she at least had shaved armpits so all was not lost in the grooming dept. Sooo we soaped and showered each other and ended up in bed with lots of DFK and fingering. She was also very open to doing BBBJ and was willing to learn so that was good. Personally the positiveness of my experience can be measured by the positive experience of the meis meis with me. The chemistry was indeed good and I was rewarded with a very very wet bedsheet courtesy of her juices hehehe



Chang Ping,

I had sent OAH your contact number. I believe he will contact you when he gets in.

The BBS that had moved; The Big BBS behind Yalan is closed sometimes to deflect the raid that had been going on. They had been raided a month back, some of the mama like Lily, Sandy had moved their girl to the BBS above the Medical shop at the corner of Dong Xing Lu and Yalan Lu just by the Yalan Hotel. Walk toward the cross junctions you will be greeted by those mama sitting outside the Medical Store, they will than bring you up. If you don't see any of them, like that the supply there is exhausted for the day.

The BBS on the other side of Dong Xing Lu, Perpendicular to Yalan Lu (Yalan Hotel)… the one the mama Baby was and where your friend took out the Coco lee looks alike, has move too. Some of you may have know this BBS as the BBS with a Papasan (whom is the half owner). It has moved to the KTV on the second floor of the building across the road from Yalan.

All of these BBS are downsizing.

Enjoy!
AG

BTW: Ace will be in CP this Sat.

Chang Ping
01-24-07, 08:04
Cont from last post...

Hui Hua KTV, Mon night Jan 22. Picked up a girl who reminded very much of a friends ex-girlfriend. She was very playful and things were off to a good start when she started to DFK me in the room. Well the usual activities happened that evening so I wont go into boring details except to say that I had to retire early as I had been up since 4am that day. Once back in the room, I set up my equipment before the action started and it proved to be a good addition to my collection of trysts. She was really into screwing and we had three rounds that night as and when my dick started to get hard and throb behind her while spooning :-)

Anyway, come morning, had breakfast with Mei Mei and bade goodbye.
As the rest of the group were leaving town. I decided to do my shopping first before heading to Yalan at about 2/3pm. Gave CO and KLKOOL a call to get lobangs (literally haha) on Yalan and found the much raved surprises "Behind the Green Door" Having said that though...the pickings were kinda slim and the first bird didnt do BBBJ so after a much wasted trip back to my room and sent her packing and went back to select another gal who turned out to be quite a gem. Fair, big tits, blew me to kingdom come BUT no DFG only pecks on cheek. Interesting fact though...she works at Jiayi in the evening. Now this is not just hearsay...we actually went down to Jiayi tother after our session and I subsequently met her inside again at the lineup!!! So dudes this one was a real saver considering the fact that it was a 250 bonk for what you would normally pay 500 for!!!

As I was on my own I paid the big hall fee of 42rmb and made my rounds at Jiayi. Like my pal the ABC from NY...I think the quality has suffered or my standards have gone up but it took me a while to look for a stunner ...after all I came to Jiayi not for service (I would have gone to a BBS if it were just that and cheaper too) . In the end I took a cutey who had a really great disposition and it proved to be a good call. Decided to make her my tour guide/girlfriend for the night and it was really fun. Took to me eat street food, we went to the arcade to play bumper cars, had a facial and basically walked about town in the chilly evening cuddling like lovebirds. I then took her to the LA bar and grill across from Miraton as I heard that it was quite interesting and never tried it before. Really nice deco and band but it was an expensive joint. A set dinner set me back close to 300rmb! BUT thank goodness it was enough to feed the two of us so we didnt waste money ordering two set dinners instead.

Well now that she was well fed. It was time to feed me. quickly got the bill and went back to my room. Soon as we entered she was all over me and we never got to make it to the bathroom to shower (which was the SOP). I didnt mind too much as her hair smelled really nice which indicated she had showered only recently. It was crazy monkey sex from there and throughout the night she would never let me go without skin/body contact. Took me a look time to come and I was exhausted so I only managed 2 but very long rounds before morning.

Today is yet another day of adventure. I still havent tried the 1+1 and the BBS behind Hui Mei. I'm perplexed as my dick is really getting tired man !

Dont want to bore you folks with my FR. Let me know if you would like me to continue ya.

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Loso69
01-25-07, 00:51
Yetsatu

As I was taking a stroll down the Hui Mei BBS area, Reader123 and HoseGuy were just off with their catch. I was still interested in the hottie from the Jia Mei Hotel and Reader123 told the mamasan who I was looking for. She made a few phone calls...

The girl who eventually turned up wasn’t the one I had in mind. But she was damn hot! Let’s go, baby!

Yetsatu seemed an ice queen at first, but the great suction power when she gave me a BBBJ made me feel all warm inside. She rode my dick until I wanted to take over and ravish her. When she finally succumbed to DFK, I filled up the condom.

Tin Tin

I guess you know the drill by now. But tonight, I tried to be a little more ambitious in Yalan. I’d met a girl I fancied taking LT, but still checked out some other places. As soon as I spotted Tin Tin, I knew I simply had to have her...

Even though I couldn’t take my eyes off her, she never even seemed to notice I was there. Her mamasan was throwing all kinds of other girls in my lap. But she finally caught on... and introduced me to Tin Tin. I figured this tiny little angel might not fancy fucking the tall white ghost, but she went without a hitch.

Once we got to my hotel, Tin Tin seemed to be really shy. She was the only Chinese girl to take her clothes off while wearing a towel. When I finally laid eyes on the splendor of her tiny little body in the bathroom, I invited her to step onto the scales. 38 kg of femininity.

When she resisted my eating her pussy, I laid back and let Tin Tin go to work. When she wrapped her tiny lips around my dick and sucked it with a passion, I was in heaven. Fucking her ultra-tight pussy was sheer magic, especially as she really got into the DFK.

After this surreal sexual experience, I hated to see Tin Tin leave. :( But I figured she might be a starfish and had arranged for another girl to come and see me later...

Xiao Min

With the help of Reader123, I’d arranged for Xiao Min to come to my room at 10.30PM. She was only a couple of minutes late. Xiao Min was a bundle of passion and wanted to cut to the chase right away. But I’d just busted a nut and my stomach was grumbling.

I joined Reader123, HoseGuy and their respective dates in Harper’s, an upscale place with Filipina singers. Xiao Min didn’t seem to appreciate Western music, as she was plugging her ears. I tend to have the same reaction when I hear Chinese music. :)

As the girls got talking, it transpired that Xiao Min used to work in Shenzhen, but had to leave town after an incident with a customer. Two out of the three girls also turned out to be jailbirds. Would that be the national average among working girls in China? :)

As we walked past a bakery on the way home, I couldn’t resist indulging in some yummy dessert. I had something else in mind as Xiao Min’s dessert, and was surprised when she refused to suck on my lollipop. Since I arrived in mainland China, I’d gotten a BJ from every one of the 25 girls I’d been with. And apart from the very first girl in Zhuhai, they were all BBBJs. Xiao Min blemished my perfect record.

But she made up for that by being a total freak in bed. Xiao Min exhausted herself by riding my dick like a woman possessed. After eating the breakfast she’d bought at the bakery shop, she got back into bed, spread her legs and called me over using her index finger. There was fire in her eyes as she encouraged me to fuck her as hard as I possibly could. After a marathon fuck, leaving plenty of wet spots on the bed, we were both totally spent and slept like babies...

After a good night’s sleep had replenished her energy levels, this white tiger was ready to devour me again. Yep, Xiao Min is one of a rare species in China... the naturally hairless pussy. ;)

Ciao, Reader123

After spending six days hunting chicks with Reader123, it was time to say goodbye to my trusted wingman. As night owls and prolific punters, we were perfectly compatible and painted the town red for almost a week. Hanging out with you was a blast! :cool:

Thanks for showing me around Changping. Thanks for the translation services. Thanks for being an all-round great guy. May our paths cross again one day.

Loso

Love Guy
01-25-07, 01:56
Loso,

As someone new to this board, having just returned from China (w/ my wife), I am mesmorized by your great reports and adventures. I look forward to the day, I might venture back to China on my own. I would be ecstatic to have 1/3 the adventures that you relate.

Keep up the great work.

PS -Your choice of women is exquisite.

Diver69
01-25-07, 16:38
It's that side street along the main road going to Yalan from Miraton. It's opposite what I believe is a hospital on the right side. At night, the hospital sign has an orange like glow to them.

No. I don't believe there any clothing stores on that street.

There are about 5 to 8 shops each with about 5 to 10 working gals there. They are priced at 150RMB for take out. The Li Hua hotel is located directly across from the shops. The Li Hua Hotel is the red star on the left on the map.

According to the Li Hua Hotel biz card, Yalan would be on the right bottom corner and the road on the left side is where you would be coming from the Miraton.

AG took us there one night and we saw about 25 working girls. They were both inside the store front shops and outside their shops.

Bill

Thanks Bill and LOSO.

Will have to check it out on my next trip (God knows when that might be - but I hope soon).

Diver

Member #4515
01-25-07, 17:08
Will go to CP on 2/2. Any monger come to join me is highly expected.

Spend totally say about a week or so.

Bill Lee
01-25-07, 19:03
You forgot to thank AC, eh, I mean AG. He needs that acknowledgment too. heheehehhe

(You're welcome. AG).

Bill


Thanks Bill and LOSO.

Will have to check it out on my next trip (God knows when that might be - but I hope soon).

Diver

Reader123
01-26-07, 00:24
Great reports! I'm reliving those memories as I read them. It was definitely a week to remember.

Loso69
01-26-07, 22:49
Great to hear from you, Reader123. In the next episodes you’ll find out what mischief I was up to after you left, in SZ and CP.

Loso

Loso69
01-27-07, 02:20
Xiao Min

My first catch of the day was from a Hui Mei BBS. Xiao Min loved it when I sucked on her firm B-cup tits, but didn’t like my eating her pussy. She gave a good BBBJ and was a decent fuck, but real passion was sorely lacking.

Xiao Min also hated taking pictures and closed her eyes all the time, so I only got a few more or less decent pictures of her.

Xiao Ling

Xiao Ling was a true beauty whose face exhibited European features. But she didn’t seem too thrilled about the prospect of fucking a laowai and was the only girl in Changping to refuse having her picture taken.

I walked her straight back to the BBS to find a replacement...

Tan Tan

Tan Tan was a girl that Reader123 had considered taking, but finally decided against. She was a real cutie with an effervescent smile. She got soaking wet when I ate her pussy, reciprocated by giving me a great BBBJ and was a delight to fuck.

Xiao Min

In the evening, I headed for Yalan, as usual. My first stop was Tin Tin’s BBS, to give her back the umbrella she forgot in my room. I would have loved for her to spend the night with me, but she wasn’t around.

When the mamasan introduced me to Xiao Min, I found her simply irresistible. A long-legged classic Asian beauty that seemed really affectionate.

After the photo shoot and plenty of passionate kisses, I decided that Xiao Min would be my dessert... after dinner at Happy Together. And I finally remembered to bring my small camera, to take a picture of the swings.

Dinner was great, and my dessert tasted oh so sweet. Xiao Min was a real darling, who gave wonderful head, was totally horny and adored French kissing. My kinda girl!

Epilogue

Even though I’d had a great time in Changping, I felt it was time to move on. But it wouldn’t be long before I started missing the place...

Loso

Ace Gallant
01-27-07, 09:58
Got into town, and the first thing I noticed was that there is a Police van full of Police and they are all wearing Bulletprove vest, waiting outside Lucky Hotel. I wonder which Saunas, BBS, KTV or hotel they are going to Raid tonight.

There will definitely be one tonight because I saw police patrol cars, Police vans full of police going up and down the main streets.

I hate to say this but; I hope it is not due to the reports about Orgies in Chang Ping, put up by members of the SAMMY BOY . COM on that board.

AG

One Wing Low
01-27-07, 10:48
if ag ever got arrested and thrown into the paddy wagon, good-looking sauna girls will tear his clothes into shreds, and proceed to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) his ass until his dick break off... -:)


got into town, and the first thing i noticed was that there is a police van full of police and they are all wearing bulletprove vest, waiting outside lucky hotel. i wonder which saunas, bbs, ktv or hotel they are going to raid tonight.

there will definitely be one tonight because i saw police patrol cars, police vans full of police going up and down the main streets.

i hate to say this but; i hope it is not due to the reports about orgies in chang ping, put up by members of the sammy boy . com on that board.

ag

Ace Gallant
01-27-07, 10:58
if ag ever got arrested and thrown into the paddy wagon, good-looking sauna girls will tear his clothes into shreds, and proceed to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) his ass until his dick break off... -:)

hahaha.... owl; how on earth will they [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) my "ass" if they only have pussies?...

oh man... i wished that woud happens!... at least i die a happy man with a wide smile in my face! :d

updates:

i called my contacts in cp and he could tell me anything others than; "stay inside your hotel, something big is going down!"

ag

Ace Gallant
01-27-07, 11:22
finish off my first round on a "new" girl i picked up from my regular mama baby. xiao mei, been in cp for only 2 weeks and only done 4 customers. 18+ years old and very tight. but... (shit why is there always a "but"?) because she is very new, she is very dry, did not get into the beat of fucking. showed me her "unwilling to fuck" face while i hammered her away. i hate girls with bad service like this, so i bang her hard.

dam! i think it was too hard!... i split the rubbers! i felt a strange feeling on my dick like i didn't have my rubber on, so i pulled it out only to found that the head of my dick protruding out of my rubbers! xiao mei saw it and was terrified! “oh! will i get pregnant? will i get pregnant?” she screamed as she ran to the bathroom and the next thing i heard and saw ; she was washing her pussy with the shower head.

i told her to calm down… i had not ejaculated yet! i wash up too and we continued to finish off with a new condom. but she was again giving me the looks like, “fuck! i’ve been raped here!” i finish off quickly and she check to make sure this condom did not split again. of course not! i applied lube!

paid her and sent her off. 20 mins later, baby called apologizing for her bad behavior (i guess she must had told her what happened). she promised to send me another super great service girl which i agreed but for later in the evening.

let’s see how it goes.

ag

Old Mean Dog
01-27-07, 12:43
i told her to calm down… i had not ejaculated yet! i wash up too and we continued to finish off with a new condom. but she was again giving me the looks like, “fuck! i’ve been raped here!” i finish off quickly and she check to make sure this condom did not split again. of course not! i applied lube!

hi ag,

i once read something that the pre-cum (the clear, sticky fluid) that emits from penis, when having an erection, has more swimmers in it then the actual load itself. anyone else ever heard this? ag, you might have a new addition to your family this year!

i'm going to try to make it up to cp sunday or monday so, maybe we can meet if your still there.

-sze

Ace Gallant
01-27-07, 13:58
Hi AG,

I once read something that the pre-cum (the clear, sticky fluid) that emits from penis, when having an erection, has more swimmers in it then the actual load itself. Anyone else ever heard this? AG, you might have a new addition to your family this year!

I'm going to try to make it up to CP Sunday or Monday so, maybe we can meet if your still there.

-SZE

Yes, I know...precum can also get a girl Pregnant. I'll name the kid "CP"

I am busy Sunday, out playing golf and partying with Friends. Monday is OK.

See you.

Latest Update:

21:00 hrs

There are still Police Vans and Patrol Cars full of Police parked outside Lucky Hotel. Nothing happening yet.

AG

Reader123
01-27-07, 20:16
There is a CP that just signed up recently. Is that your kid? j/k

The cops were putting alot of pressure on the Yalan BBSes several weeks ago. I heard some of the new police presence are not local, but from higher up.



Yes, I know...precum can also get a girl Pregnant. I'll name the kid "CP"

I am busy Sunday, out playing golf and partying with Friends. Monday is OK.

See you.

Latest Update:

21:00 hrs

There are still Police Vans and Patrol Cars full of Police parked outside Lucky Hotel. Nothing happening yet.

AG

Ace Gallant
01-28-07, 02:01
There is a CP that just signed up recently. Is that your kid? j/k

The cops were putting alot of pressure on the Yalan BBSes several weeks ago. I heard some of the new police presence are not local, but from higher up.

Chang Ping is a guy; a few of us met in Nov. He is from the other web site SAMMY BOY . COM I believe you are one of them whom had met him. We drank at the Tao Yuan KTV together. Remember the guy we met at the hotel lobby?

Yes, the Police was not too pleased since those reports about CP appeared the Taiwanese Magazine. The Chinese government thinks it was not good for the China “Image” and got to do something about it. There also had been some wankers who had not read the threads, gone off to some BBS in CP, got themselves ripped off (for a 500 ST) and reported to the police that they were robbed. Finally, there was this local Chinese guy who was murdered in his hotel room in CP. All these attributes to this tightening of security in CP.

Of course there are people who do not believe in all these information that was posted on the board and chose to say that we are paranoids. Well…. That’s OK…if we don’t gain anything or lose anything regardless of whether they chose to believe us “The Paranoids” or not.

Updates:
23:30

I’d stayed in my room with one of my freebie whom had came along after her work in one of those clothing stores till about 2330 and felt hungry. I’ve tried pester my freebie to go over together to join the group of new friends, Santa, Laowai123 whom we met over dinner (they were regular visitors to CP and viewing members of ISG. However she was too shy and did not agree to go. (Sorry guys, if you are reading this, I’ve tried very hard) At 2330 I was hungry (god why I get hungry that fast every time I am in CP?) so, we popped over McDonalds.

At 2330hrs, It seems very quiet and there was totally no evidence of any raids that might had occurred. So I assumed it did not happen. I will monitor the situation over the next few nights and give an update once available.

Live from CP
AG

Chibi Asian
01-28-07, 03:16
Pao Be
When I texted Reader123 and asked what his plans were, he replied: “KTV tonight”. There were 3 of us in our party: Reader123, a regular visitor at the Prince Karaoke who I’ll refer to as Q and yours truly.

Once we were settled into our room, the mamasans took their turn to present us their collection. We went through about 20 line-ups, each consisting of about 10 girls. At an upscale KTV joint, I expected the girls to be a cut above the BBS girls. Apart from the fancy evening gowns, there was absolutely no evidence of that.

My partners in crime weren’t exactly impressed with the selection either. I did see one girl I really liked, but since neither of the other guys had picked a girl yet, I wasn’t ready to commit either.

When we’d gone through all the line-ups... they started all over again. I enquired about the girl I liked, but she was no longer available. In the end, I picked a girl (Sofia)... and then picked a second one (Xiao Yuen).

Reader123 finally picked a cutie as well. Q didn’t see anyone he particularly liked and ended up calling one of his regulars to come and join him.

Xiao Yuen was definitely the more affectionate of the 2 girls. We were cuddling, she gave me a few kisses... Sofia was on her best behavior during the 15 minute grace period, but turned stone cold after that. She wouldn’t even let me kiss her on the cheek.

After suffering an evening of lousy singing & mediocre food, I asked Xiao Yuen if she wanted to go with me. She couldn’t, because her period was about to start. Sofia... simply shook her head.

At the start of the evening, I’d asked my Chinese friends if a KTV girl was likely to refuse sleeping with a customer. It may hardly ever happen if you’re Chinese, but it happened to this laowai... twice.

The room charge and tips cost each of us 400 RMB. The sitting fee for my 2 girls came to another 400 RMB. I paid our host Q, threw the girls' money on the table and walked out. My KTV experience set me back 800 RMB... for nothing.

BTW, Reader123 took his girl home, but sent her packing after 1 round. No GFE.

Loso


Prince Hotel. Tai Zi Jiu Dian. 太子酒店. (About 1 hour away by cab from dongguan)

Sorry to hear your bad experience in Prince Karaoke. When a group of us went there, it was actually the climax of our dongguan trip (god bless new years eve). 5 guys, 4 overseas born chinese and 1 local guy. Thank god for the local guy - otherwise, i think that i might've had the same experience as you did. A couple of things did went wrong, but he settled it for us.

Well, we went pretty late in reaching there (about 10ish) because a friend's flight got delayed due to the heavy snowfall in beijing. But when we got there, our nice local friend has already got the room and already talked to the mamasans. It was going to be 200 or 300 to sit with the girl and 800 for overnight. Told the mamas that we're all gonna want overnight chicks so the chicks that they bring to us better be prepared for it.

A bunch of girls came in. About 10 at first, and then another 10 came and got really crowded. The first ten was mostly 6s or 7s. But there was one 8 and i picked her immediately. The others waited for more selection. The bad thing about this place is that, the different mamas will keep on trying to push you her girl, regardless whether you're interested or not. My poor friend who was completely new in this type of thing was completely overwhelmed by it. (My soul's going further down in hell for corrupting another innocent soul)

Being the good friend i am (cough), helped him reject the other girls and slowly helped him picked one up. Ended up picking a big boobed stunner. One that really warmed up to him too. One guy picked another stunner, who later on told me that she was really kinky on bed too. The local chinese guy picked a chick that looks eerily similar to one hongkong singer. The chick that the last guy picked.. well lets just say that he's fully satisfied with her.

The chick that i picked? Small boobs, small frame and an almost bad make up. But behind all that, she exudes an innocent child-like presence. Only to my surprise that she's really young and that she just started working there 2 days ago. Fresh from the country side. A fresh apple. =]

After we got all the chicks we needed and everything got nicely settled in, we proceeded with the normal karaoke stuff, except that there's a slight difference. There was a balcony connecting to their coliseum stage thingy and they had a life cabaret performance down there - and you can even see the hotel guests sitting down sipping on their drinks. The balcony's dark without any lighting, very good for groping or any pre-hotel action.

One thing bad about the karaoke is that their selection of english songs is the poorest i've ever seen anywhere else in china. Unless you're familiar with really really REALLY old songs, then i doubt any non-chinese speaking people will be able to do any singing there.

So, we did the usual dice-playing, drinking, frenching, groping, being merry, fooling around with different guy's chicks, etc. When the night's over the bill amounted to about 1500 just for the karaoke and drinks.

My chick also tried to pull "sorry i coudn't go with you because my period is just over, and there's still blood" thing on me. Strange - especially when she was really warmed up the whole time. Then complaints were made, and the mama brought her to the toilet to check things up and gave the green light. Off we go to the hotel. 4 guys, 4 rooms. The local guy had to go back to his wife. Poor fella. Hotel room's about 400 per person. Breakfast for 2 is included for each room.

The room also has an automated curtain and it shows the view of the swimming pool. Awesome. Plus, there's a sort of a day bed or something by the window which is an excellent place to bang the chick while enjoying the view of the moon outside. And the people outside to view back at you banging away. =]

When we got to the room, took the usual shower, ran the bath and relaxed there for a bit, before doing round one there. And oh man, her pussy had very little hair, and they were so fine. The tastiest pussy i've ever had. After done with round one on the bathtub, we dried up and went to the bed. Boy, that bathtub experience totally reminded me of my highschool days and my highschool sweetheart back then. Some how it was a very nostalgic feeling. Best sex i've had in years.

Cuddled up on the bed again, pretending that we're each other's long lost half or something before continuing on round two. And to think that things just couldnt get any better, it just did. She was a complete newbie at things. Just lost her virginity half a year ago to god-knows-who. But still havent done enough to be jaded at it. Gave a meek but satisfying bbbj. Ate her pussy again. Made love to her like there was no tomorrow. Yes, i wrote made love, not have sex. First of such experience with a WL. But then again, i'm her first customer to ever sleep with her. Heh heh heh.

After we're done at about 4ish or 5. We cleaned up a little and went to bed.

Next morning she woke up at about 7 asking to leave!!

Pulled her back to the bed and wanted to bang her again before letting her go. Told me that she was sore from last night. Understandable. But still banged her again anyways. It's my favourite thing in the world. Banging someone while i'm still half asleep and half awake. Sort of a dreamy feel to it. Finished the deed and sent her off. Paid the 800 before she left. Woke everyone else up at 8 for breakfast (i'm an asshole), just because i couldnt get back to sleep.

They woke up and banged their respective chicks before going down together for a buffet breakfast. Surprisingly, there's A LOT of families there! And there's also a lot of single guys (some Caucasian) with chicks accompanying them. Heh. People who did the same deed the night before. And you could hear the awkward whisper in the local dialect (cantonese) of them saying "why is there so many single guys and girls around?" LOL.

The best part of it all, my newbie friend (bringing his chick down to breakfast) was so worried of bumping into someone that he knows back from the states. And strangely enough - against the odds, he DID bump into an old female friend that he knew, back from the states! LMAO. She kept staring at him like he's so familiar and he's trying to avoid her the whole time. Couldnt get myself to stop laughing.

All said and done, when we were discussing it on the breakfast table about last night's experiences, all 4 of us had fun. The newbie guy complained that his chick complained that his dick was too big. And that she was too tight that he couldnt get an orgasm for hours. But did it 3 times overall anyway. Didn't know whether i should slap him or congratulate him. One other guy's chick was so wild that she suggested that they go to the other people's room and join in. I'm so pissed at him for not agreeing to her suggestion. And the last guy.... well lets just say that he's also satisfied with his chick.

Each person spent about: 300rmb for ktv room, 400 for hotel room and 800 for the tip. Took a cab from and back to dongguan, costed about 50 rmb each person. So overall spent 1500 rmb for 1 night of fun. So much fun that we're gonna go there again on May or April '07. Plane ticket's been booked.



P.S: shoutout to OAH. I'm finally settled in in Dongguan. I live in Dongcheng area permanently now.

Chibi Asian
01-28-07, 03:33
Xing Ji Hotel in dongguan. I think it's in Dongcheng area.

It's only a 3 or 4 star small/moderately-sized hotel but....

Went there: 3 guys total; 2 overseas born chinese and 1 local. The local recommended a VIP room there. After listening to his suggestion we agreed. Went to the room and liked what we see. 1 living area with a TV. 1 jacuzzi to be shared. 1 shower area with 3 shower head/cubicle. But it's open, and you get to see your friend being soaped and blowed. And in the shower area, there's 1 dry sauna room and there's 1 steam room.

One toilet for no.2 purposes on a seperate room. Only one.

And then there's 3 separate bedrooms for us 3 guys.

Apparently, it's best to call and book in advance for the room. I'm sorry to say that i dont have the number to that place.

Anyway, took our clothes off in the room and got it hanged, walked out butt naked into the shower. Seeing your friend naked for the first time is a very weird experiences. Eyeballs are bound to wander down. It's a strange thing. Guys are curious about other guy's equipments. Anyways, took a shower together and got blowed together there. A pretty good experience. Kind of like a live porn feed.

When we're done with the shower, 3 of us with 3 chicks went into the jacuzzi. What happened there.. well use your own imagination.

When done jacuzzi, went back to the shower for a bit and each of us moved to our respective rooms and did our deed there. Opted not to go for the usual 'service', but went ahead for the main course. When finished, went to the shower to clean up a bit, before going to the living room to watch some tv naked together. Apparently, i'm not the only one that had this in mind. The local guy too.

Both of us ended up getting a bbbj again on the couch, while chatting with each other normally. It was an interesting experience. When it got hard again, we did it there again. That local guy even opened the curtain and banged her chick by the window. Lol. He's turned on by voyeurism i suppose.

Too bad even by the time we're done with our 2nd round in the living room couch, the 3rd guy still hasnt came out of his room yet. He opted to do the full course, which took a long long time to finish. But it was an interesting experience nonetheless.

Room was about 580 and the chick was 300 each. So its about 500 each person. Highly recommended if you want to try orgies or partner swapping.

When we wanted to experience it again the following day, only the 2 of us went there without the local guy. Cost of the room was 180 per guy. In other words, it's 360 for the room. Cheaper than it was the night before. But then maybe we came too early or something, or we didnt call in advance or something, but the captain/mamasan was really grouchy.

When we requested to see another line/batch of chicks (like we usually do), it was clearly written on her face that she was displeased. Only when my friend got pissed off and about to leave then she tried to do her job properly. But it was too late and my friend stormed off just like that and never to return there again.

Moral of the story? Maybe should've called in advance to book. But i still dont have the phone number to there.

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Chibi Asian
01-28-07, 04:14
Sweet memories of this place.

1) It has one of the nicer rooms i've encountered.
2) They have the more expensive A-grade chicks (500 as opposed to 300)
3) The chick that i got has got a supermodel tight body and FIRM big natural boobs. Basically she's the perfect body that i've been dreaming about.
4) The nice uniform that the chicks wear. (Different from ones i've seen)

Went there, after storming off Xing Ji Hotel's sauna.

Usually my friend and me are pretty picky about the chicks. Or at least in every line up, we would like to see more chicks (while keeping in mind the number of the good ones) before deciding on one. But this is the only place EVER that after we booked (a local guy booked for us), the captain/mamasan only brought 2 girls into the room for us. And both of us liked the 2 girls that we saw!

2 chicks. Both supermodel type. Yum. And finally, they're more classily dressed than the usual sauna uniform. Yuck. All we had to do was just decide which gets who. Since I'm the junior, I let him decide first. And to my delight, he actually picked the one to the left (and I wanted the one to the right).

Went into the room. The usual. Nothing special here. Except that the girl is friggin gorgeous! As an asian male, I've seen pretty asian chicks, cute asian chicks, etc. But this one's truly gorgeous. Plus, she's got a pleasant personality too. Well at least she's pleasant to me. But the downside is that I couldn't DATY her nor do any frenching. =[

In any case, this is the contact number to our favourite captain/mamasan there (I think she speaks decent english): Winny (ooops, I just remembered that we're not supposed to post contact numbers. Or can we post her contact number here? I'm not sure.)

Well if anyone wants her contact, you know what to do.

Actually given the choice, both my friend and me would very much do Winny too. She's hot, especially her black stocking. An alluring 24 year old in western suit.

Overall spent about 200 something for each room and 500 for the chick. Tipped Winny another 100 just because we like her (this doesnt count as ruining the market does it? ). Hehe.

Reader123
01-30-07, 03:56
I do remember him. BTW, I was just joking (j/k). Just in case it didn't come across that way.



Chang Ping is a guy; a few of us met in Nov. He is from the other web site SAMMY BOY . COM I believe you are one of them whom had met him. We drank at the Tao Yuan KTV together. Remember the guy we met at the hotel lobby?
AG

Superforce99
01-30-07, 04:35
...At 2330 I was hungry (god why I get hungry that fast every time I am in CP?) so, we popped over McDonalds.

AG


Ha ha, how could you bring a freebie to McDonalds?? But then I guess in China, there's a different connotation than it would be in a western country...

J

Ace Gallant
01-30-07, 04:53
Ha ha, how could you bring a freebie to McDonalds?? But then I guess in China, there's a different connotation than it would be in a western country...

J

On the contrary Johnny, the girls in CP love McDonalds! This is the 6th girl I’d pick up CP that asked me to bring them over to McDonalds!

I wanted to bring them to some better restuarant but they all refused! And say something like "Don't waste money" well I guess this is part and puzzle of been a Freebie. They will try to win your heart and show that they care for you.

Don’t know why?

AG

Sammon
01-30-07, 05:03
Yes, It is true. The girls want you to take them to Mcdonald's. Mainly because they eat chinese food all the time at cheap prices. Mcdonald's is not cheap according to them. These are simple girls not exposed to dating styles of western women. There is no point in impressing them. Once I took a girl to an expensive Thai restaurent and she was not impressed at all. Remember most of these girls come from poor families and not used to expensive things. Even going shopping with them is difficult. I asked this girl to buy a nice dress and she did not want to because she said it is too expensive. Western women would have jumped at the chance as long as somebody else is paying.

Cappy
01-30-07, 06:16
E&E Bus to HKIA is now serving the Virgin or Miraton Hotel Chanping areas. Unfortunately, their first bus doesn't arrive HKIA until 8:30am. The price is HKD200.

Go Go Bus from Crown Prince Hotel (tai zi jiudian) is still the only option for early flights. The schedule is the same as below and no reservation required. The price is now HKD180.



I had an 8:30am morning flight out of Hong Kong and didn't want to have to leave my Chanping hotel any sooner than absolutely necessary.

The first Go Go Bus leaves the Crown Prince Hotel (Opera House) (Ph: 86-769-83363333) at 4:15am and got me into HKIA by 6:45am. The cost is rmb160. Taxi for rmb15 should get you from Chanping (Miraton Hotel district) to the Crown Prince in about 10 minutes.

Everything in CP is negotiable. I noticed that more than usual everyone from bell boys to taxi cabs greatly inflates the asking prices in Dongguan / Chanping district.

A little bit of Mandarin and "know your prices" (RTFF) will help to prevent you from ruining the area for the rest of the hobbying community.

Ace Gallant
01-30-07, 07:04
Yes, It is true. The girls want you to take them to Mcdonald's. Mainly because they eat chinese food all the time at cheap prices. Mcdonald's is not cheap according to them. These are simple girls not exposed to dating styles of western women. There is no point in impressing them. Once I took a girl to an expensive Thai restaurent and she was not impressed at all. Remember most of these girls come from poor families and not used to expensive things. Even going shopping with them is difficult. I asked this girl to buy a nice dress and she did not want to because she said it is too expensive. Western women would have jumped at the chance as long as somebody else is paying.

Well... you would be right.

Last evening the hold group of us ISGs members went to Jin Ji (Kum Kee in Cantonese) one of the Expansive Guangdong Restaurant in CP. I brought my two Cuties along for the dinner as I had booked them for LT.

Well guess what? after the dinner when we returned to the room, the girls were very happy? Why? They had eaten a lot of stuff they never they would have tasted till today!

Like the Abalone Mushrooms, they had actually thought that it was Abalone! Not the mentioned those Scallops!

However, they were just telling after that although they were happy about the chance of having a nice dinner, they would rather have me save those money spent and in return give them as a tips.

Of course this is exception of Shanghainese girls; they would want expansive dinners, expansive gifts and more pocket money if they can get them from you!

I will report in on these 2 girls in a post later.

AG

Downunder96
01-30-07, 14:13
My last trip to CP, I brought back 2 Yalan girls (Lily's) to Miraton for LT. They told me they're hungry. I gave them $100 to buy take away & guess what? They came back with some hot (spicy) chicken burgers from McDonalds across the road and with some change as well. From there onwards I was treated like King with lots of GFE till sun rise!! I think by treating them to McDonalds before is much better to tip them after the deeds!!
Downunder96


On the contrary Johnny, the girls in CP love McDonalds! This is the 6th girl I’d pick up CP that asked me to bring them over to McDonalds!

I wanted to bring them to some better restuarant but they all refused! And say something like "Don't waste money" well I guess this is part and puzzle of been a Freebie. They will try to win your heart and show that they care for you.

Don’t know why?

AG

OldAsiaHand
01-30-07, 16:04
It was great to monger in the company of royalty in CP. The undisputed King of ISG, AG, was leading the pack. Santa, Batman and his mates, Cappy, Fast Eddie, Laowai123, SZExpat and his wingman (Mr. J) and a friend of Hoeman (Mr. L) were all on tap to join the festivities. Great fun was had by all.

My first round was a tall Haerbin girl from Baby. I had not given Hua Hua any business for awhile so I decided to take one of her girls. Plus, she was wearing high boots with heels. The BBBJ was great, but she screamed pain the moment I stuck it in. Why do I get this so often? I am not that big! Anyway, to cut a long story short, I told her to put the boots on and I did her doggy bent over the bed looking down at the boots until I popped. One of my favorite pastimes during the winter season.

After the seafood feast AG mentioned, we went hunting behind the Hui Mei. My second round was a cute little bubbly thing from Henan. New to the game, but she made every effort to please me. After a reasonable BBBJ attempt, she started to mount me bareback and I had to stop her and cover up. She did it so naturally it confirms my belief that these girls do BBFS very, very often. Although I am always tempted in these situations, my better judgement usually rules. Damage: 150 RMB vs. 200 from Yalan.

OAH

Old Mean Dog
01-31-07, 05:57
My Wingman (Mr. J) and I decided to shoot down to CP on Sunday after Santa said a couple of the Kings of ISG would be present. First issue was there was NO trains running from Shenzhen to Dongguan so, we had to catch a bus out to CP which delayed our meeting with Santa.

After finally getting into town, we met with Santa over at the Miraton Hotel and he took us to another hotel to have a "look-see" since we are a couple of cheap bastards and didn't want to front 300 rmb a night for the Miraton. After looking over the 130 rmb hotel, Mr. J and I decided on going over to the Lucky Hotel instead. I was there on a little business anyway, so I was able to get the rooms at 197 rmb with official company letter. The rooms at the Lucky, are excellent and the bed is one of the softest I have slept on in China. Highly Recommended!

After throwing our stuff down and getting a bite to eat, we decided to do a tour of CP starting in the center of town. After Shenzhen went somewhat "high and dry" it was quite an emotional experience to walk into the first stable and see so many sweet young things all ready to service me for 200 rmb.

We decided to walk through the half a dozen stables behind the Miraton, then head over to the Yalin area. When we went up to the Yalin KTV I noticed Xiao Xiao immediately, she was fresh, smiling, young and tender! I always tell Mr. J I like my girls "Real Chinese" and this one fit the bill. I told the poppa (who spoke English) I would come back for her and we all went to take a look at Babies and the Swan Lake KTV.

After Santa found one he liked (a sweet young thing as well), I went outside to find one of the mommies had brought my girl to me! So, after Mr. J chose one he liked, we went back to the hotel.

Xiao Xiao was a beautiful creature, 20 years old, tight, firm body, smallish tits (which I prefer 90% of the time), no armpit or leg hair and a small trimmed bush. Santa had reminded me to tell the girls "no mobile phones" during the act and this girl was so fresh and new, she didn't even own a mobile phone! Xiao Xiao was from Hubei and had only been in town a month, she was scared of me at first, but when she realized I was gentle with her, she REALLY got into it and came several times herself. BBBJ, Mish, Asian Cowgirl, Doggy and DFK, she was very lovely and so damn wet and tight, I decided to keep her all night and get 3 shots with her. I paid 400 to girl and 100 to mommy (this is standard fee) I will most certainly be going back for seconds next weekend.

Mr. J and I rolled out later in the day and met up with Santa again and Batman who had a posse with him, after Batman got situated we headed over to the Miraton to meet the ISG famous (or is that infamous?) AG and OAH, after a nice lunch, we did another tour again and at the #1 Shop met up with Fast Eddie as well. Must have been quite a site seeing a party of 9 people walking down the street with some little honeys in tow.

For my second girl, I decided on a little porcelain doll with such lovely hair and the fact the mommy said I could cum in her mouth made her even more lovely. Her name was Xiao Hui (seems most all are Xiao in CP) but when she took off her dress, my god, she had an awsome rack and fantastic body, 19 years of age from Jiangzi Province. She performed the Fire & Ice treatment on me and used a form of breath spray to give my tool an extreme tingling sensation. She was a tad bit too mechanical for me, but the BJ was top notch and the Mish and Asian Cowgirl were good. 200 total (100 girl 100 mommy)

Later on, Mr. J and I went to look at some apartments and decided to eat good old McDonalds for dinner and sat around a coffee shop for awhile just girl watching. After debating about where to get our next shot at (I really was tempted to go back for Xiao Xiao) we decided to stick around the stables behind the Miraton.

Our first stop was the stable inside the small hotel, which Santa had stayed at before. I had noticed the Asst. Mommy the night before, but did not put to much into it so, when we saw her again I was a little interested again. After viewing the stable without anything standing out, Mr. J jokingly said he wanted the Asst. Mommy and the Head Mom said ok.......lol. I told Mr. J I was a bit interested in her (real Chinese) and would take her so, Mr. J picked a thick one out of the stables.

I figured if I serviced the mommy well, maybe I could get a discount or heads up on fresh new ones in the future......Ends up the mommy was quite a treat! Not real pretty or a spectacular body, but what she lacked for in those departments, she made up for in bed. She did anything and everything I wanted with no complaints whatsoever! Told me she used to work for about a month, but the head mommy decided to promote her to Asst. maybe because she is a very lovely girl but does not have the features the others do which would mean not much money. She asked me to give her an English name, which I chose Tammy (don't know why, just popped in my head). I decided to keep her LT and I think she really enjoyed it as she said she will hook me up for free from now on!

When we headed back to SZ on Tuesday, was told still no train service and the buses were slammed packed. Since I needed to get back to work, we negotiated a private car and driver for 225 rmb and headed home. We already have plans to head back out Saturday night or Sunday morning again!!

1. Xiao Xiao
2. Xiao Hui
3. One of Mr. J's girls
4. Tammy

Laowai123
01-31-07, 12:03
Hi SZExpat,


[...]

After finally getting into town, we met with Santa over at the Miraton Hotel and he took us to another hotel to have a "look-see" since we are a couple of cheap bastards and didn't want to front 300 rmb a night for the Miraton. After looking over the 130 rmb hotel, Mr. J and I decided on going over to the Lucky Hotel instead. I was there on a little business anyway, so I was able to get the rooms at 197 rmb with official company letter. The rooms at the Lucky, are excellent and the bed is one of the softest I have slept on in China. Highly Recommended!Which room (type) did you have? What was the asking price without "company letter"? Do your room(s) have a window?

Furthermore I take the liberty to point to some "typos":


We decided to walk through the half a dozen stables behind the Miraton, then head over to the Yalin area. When we went up to the Yalin KTV [...]The "stables" are behind Hui Mei and I assume that you mean the shop above the restaurant across Yalan Hotel which is also a KTV now.

Am I right?

LW

Batman
01-31-07, 12:22
First off, the Kaiping crew really appreciated the effort of all those who made or trip a pleasant one. OAH, AG, Santa and the rest the ones we met on our road trip. Lunch and dinner were great even if AG (Wang)got a kickback. heheheeheehee.
The girls I had were great. The selection was the best I have seen in China and all seemed to be fresh off the farm so to speak. My 3 were all very Girl friend like which I always like.
I did however cheat the system and will tell all of you that want to save a little time and money an idea of how the Kaiping crew did it.
First off I always let my Chinese friends choose the girls that we both liked and that way we only payed the mommy once for each girl and then we all did each others girls. Girls made out and we payed less. The 200rmb girls (swan lake) became 150. At night we did the same with the 150 girls from close to our hotel. (near the lucky hotel)
I am hoping to return to CP around the CNY.
Thanks again

Bill Lee
01-31-07, 14:40
There's no mongering around that time. Most girls are home, back in the village. Quantity and quality is always less around such major holidays.

Good to have met you in SZ. Glad you made it to CP.

Bill




I am hoping to return to CP around the CNY.
Thanks again

Laowai123
01-31-07, 14:57
There's no mongering around that time. Most girls are home, back in the village. [...]My girl at HuiMei KTV from last saturday told me that there will be big biz during this time and so she and many other will be on duty.
Same I heard from a HK monger, there maybe are big parties at this time and I expect it will be. But, in CN everything is possible including lost looking mongers in Yalan at this time. :D

LW

Ace Gallant
01-31-07, 17:28
Lunch and dinner were great even if AG (Wang)got a kickback.
The girls I had were great. The selection was the best I have seen in China and all seemed to be fresh off the farm so to speak. My 3 were all very Girl friend like which I always like.
I did however cheat the system and will tell all of you that want to save a little time and money an idea of how the Kaiping crew did it.
First off I always let my Chinese friends choose the girls that we both liked and that way we only payed the mommy once for each girl and then we all did each others girls. Girls made out and we payed less. The 200rmb girls (swan lake) became 150. At night we did the same with the 150 girls from close to our hotel. (near the lucky hotel)
I am hoping to return to CP around the CNY.
Thanks again

Well... Batman next time if you ask me to bring you to somewhere nice for Lunch/Dinner, I will bring you to those road side stalls! heheheheheheeeee..

Man.. you guys are cheapo!... Can't believe you do that to the girls and those mummy! Come on... what is an extra 100RMB (US$12) to us? People have to make a living.... Call me a sucker or whatever... I am a guy who believe that you pay for the service.. if you treat the mummy or girls well enough.. they will return you with great service and kindness. Just like what happened to one of my girl in one of my previous trips. The girl I pick from Baby mummy has got bad service. I initially wants her for LT but kick her out after the first pop. The moment she return to the BBS, Mummy call me and asked if she gave me bad service? On hearing yes, she sent me another great service girl of my type without paying another cent! I know most problely she would get the money back from the first girl to pay off the second girl but that's not my problem. You give me bad service, you don't get paid. Whatever... just as long as you enjoyed yourself... that is the most important!

By the way: Chinese New Year... most of the girls that are good have gone back home. Mainly because they had made enough money to do so. Whilst those that are left behind are those not too good ones.

AG

Batman
01-31-07, 17:58
I will own up to being cheap. There maybe other who are cheap as well who may like some insight into how to save a few bucks so they can have a nice dinner.
The good news is that I had a great CHEAP time and enjoyed the chance to come and hang out with you guys. I hope we can all do it again soon.

Thanks for the heads up on CNY and the girls going home but I will be in SZ and HK durring that time anyway girls or no girls. I just figured as many as there were in CP, there are bound to be more there than in some of the places in SZ where the crackdown is in full swing.
Stay safe and hope to see you all soon

Bill Lee
01-31-07, 19:27
Just when I thought I wasn't missing out on any excitement back there, you drag my misery ass back into a state of gloom.

BTW, he did mean "stables" as in stables of horses or building which domestic animals are kept, sheltered and fed. Kind of rude but maybe fitting.

It's also pimp talk in the U.S.

Batman, nothing wrong with being cheap. That's why we're all at CP and not BJ or SH.

Bill



My girl at HuiMei KTV from last saturday told me that there will be big biz during this time and so she and many other will be on duty.
Same I heard from a HK monger, there maybe are big parties at this time and I expect it will be. But, in CN everything is possible including lost looking mongers in Yalan at this time. :D

LW

Old Mean Dog
02-01-07, 03:01
Hi SZExpat,

Which room (type) did you have? What was the asking price without "company letter"? Do your room(s) have a window?

Furthermore I take the liberty to point to some "typos":

The "stables" are behind Hui Mei and I assume that you mean the shop above the restaurant across Yalan Hotel which is also a KTV now.

Am I right?

LW

We each had a Honeymoon Suite, but did not get the ones with the glass window in the bathroom, next trip. Mr J my wingman had semi-negotiated the price but seems he had talked them down to around 225 rmb before producing the letter. If the price we had of 197 rmb is good for anyone, send me a PM and I'd be glad to hook other mongers up for the same price.

Yes the Hui Mei Hotel, not the Miraton are where the shops are located. My last trip to CP the girls were located in a room above the Yalin Restaurant, which is across the street from the hotel, but this time we were escorted up into the KTV which is the other half of the building that houses the restaurant to view the girls.

-SZE

Old Mean Dog
02-01-07, 03:21
BTW, he did mean "stables" as in stables of horses or building which domestic animals are kept, sheltered and fed. Kind of rude but maybe fitting.

It's also pimp talk in the U.S.

Hmmmm.....rude? I meant that with the highest regard for the sweet young thoroughbreds that are quartered there.

The word "stable" is slang for a room full of girls that are there for a purpose (KTV, BBS, Massage, etc.), shouldn't need to look into it any further or draw other conclusions from it.

Laowai123, I'll be back in CP this weekend for a couple of days to entertain a client, maybe we can meet for coffee or a tour?

-SZE

Laowai123
02-01-07, 03:27
We each had a Honeymoon Suite, but did not get the ones with the glass window in the bathroom, next trip. Mr J my wingman had semi-negotiated the price but seems he had talked them down to around 225 rmb before producing the letter. If the price we had of 197 rmb is good for anyone, send me a PM and I'd be glad to hook other mongers up for the same price.

Yes the Hui Mei Hotel, not the Miraton are where the shops are located. My last trip to CP the girls were located in a room above the Yalin Restaurant, which is across the street from the hotel, but this time we were escorted up into the KTV which is the other half of the building that houses the restaurant to view the girls.

-SZESZE,

you wrote "Suite", but "We each had...", so I assume that you mean the "Superior Honeymoon Room" with one big bed (1.8x2m). This room was offered through my CP Hotel investigation trip for CNY209 (official rate CNY348) without any company letter. If it is this room, then you can get it at least for CNY20 cheaper when you are a regular customer.

The questions concerning the window was in the direction, if the room has a window and not the bath. Some rooma at Lucky don't have a window, like Suites with 2/3 beds which they showed us.

Will continue my CP hotel investigation trip and write an report when finished, but this takes time as I always cross the way of beauties. :D

Any request for information via PM are welcome in the meantime.

The shop above the restaurant which you can access via the KTV entrance is the same which you can access via the restaurant. But using the KTV entrance is more "comfortable" as the way through the restaurant - from my POV.

LW

Laowai123
02-01-07, 03:40
Laowai123, I'll be back in CP this weekend for a couple of days to entertain a client, maybe we can meet for coffee or a tour?

-SZEYou are welcome, will send you my mobile number again via PM. I also have some reasons to go to CP next time as I have some contacts and "recommendations" (:D) to check, but I avoid at least SA for hunting, as this is "high season/rush hour" in CP and so always very rushy/pushy. Starting with SU evening you have more time. Also the girls will put more efforts in the game, as between SU evening and FR evening less mongers in town and so competition higher between mamas and girls try to keep you LT.

Going everyday to CP is not a problem as I live "around the corner" in ZMT.

LW

Laowai123
02-01-07, 08:17
Being correct informed and referring to a local newspaper, there is a shortage of trains starting from today Thursday until Saturday.

There are 34 trains less operated during these three days! Be prepared and start your trip to CP earlier to catch a bus!

LW

Fast Eddie 48
02-01-07, 08:31
I will own up to being cheap. There maybe other who are cheap as well who may like some insight into how to save a few bucks so they can have a nice dinner.
The good news is that I had a great CHEAP time and enjoyed the chance to come and hang out with you guys. I hope we can all do it again soon.

Thanks for the heads up on CNY and the girls going home but I will be in SZ and HK durring that time anyway girls or no girls. I just figured as many as there were in CP, there are bound to be more there than in some of the places in SZ where the crackdown is in full swing.
Stay safe and hope to see you all soon


to batman and the gang


It is great meeting you guys I am at hkia waiting for my flight back to home to US ,I went back to swan lake 2 night ago try to find that tall girl your buddy got she is already pick hope that you have her nude picture ,I think you guy done well being in CP for the first time may be I can use your system
next time,I think swan lake have the best looking girl for the same cost as yalan area 200 st with 4 mamasan total about 30 girls .

fast eddie 48

Superforce99
02-01-07, 10:43
A quick report on a pleasant Zhang Mu Tou trip last week. Laowai123 was a great host and went to great lengths to make sure I had a good hotel and wasn’t lost once I got to the city. Nice guy and if you like to go hunting in BBSs, bars, or anywhere in China with a “laowai wingman”, L123 is ready and willing, and actually more like a squadron of fighter jets more than a wingman, so if you find some female target that needs to be cluster-bombed with chat, jokes, and flirty-ness, he’s ready and willing.

*SHORT REPORT

ZMT is a small place but plenty of options for gals I didn’t explore. Laowai123 is a great host. Fucked a nice, young Hunan gal I got from a BBS mall area and service was good/above average.

***LONG REPORT

My first trip to ZMT and was surprised at how close yet far it is from Changping. Taking a public bus took about 25 minutes so I’m assuming a taxi ride would take only about 15 minutes or so. The city is small and everything is centrally located. I arrived late and L123 showed me this one small “mall” that was like a BBS mall, ha…reminded me of taking a section of Sha Zhui’s back alleys and putting it on open display. Very convenient since I could go to the 8-9 shops (about 4-9 girls each) and check them all out in less than 10 minutes of walking around. Talent was OK, maybe a notch below the standard CP girl but plenty of fuckable gals.

I chose a young cutie from Hunan (aren’t they all?) who seemed nice and bubbly in a shy way. About 5’3, slim but not skinny, and pretty nice 34B breasts that were more than a handful and she didn’t need to nor was wearing a padded bra. Brought her back to my room and talked with her for a bit, continuing to the shower and chatting. She was 19, came to ZMT about 5 months ago, and has a local boyfriend (!). Ha ha…the boyfriend part killed me, but was also a turn on. Yes, I’m sick like that, ha…

She initially just kind of laid on the bed then got into it after I took it slow and gentle, with light kissing and caressing and light DATY. Also, it was entertaining to do XX action then ask, “Does your boyfriend do XX?” Most of the time, the answer was no, which turned me and it seemed, to a smaller degree, her, too. After playing the me vs. boyfriend game and going through BBBJ, CFS, and finish in missionary, we both laid there to rest for a few minutes. She asked if I wanted LT and I asked how much and she said 500 but from the tone of her voice I bet 400 or less would do. We showered then as she was sitting on the bed drying herself, I just got inexplicably horny and started in on her again as she laughed and giggled. Repeat of above except no boyfriend talk this time. The weird thing is I couldn’t really come the second time after about 30 minutes of action. I just decided to stop and told her I’ll save my sperm for her another day, ha…She showered again, dressed, and I brought her back to her shop with 200 RMB + 100 RMB tip for the extra session.

Overall, ZMT is a nice small place where everything is close by and centralized with plenty of gals (and plenty of places I didn't explore), but it can’t seriously challenge CP’s awesome quantity and quality choices. I consider it a good side trip pre- or post-CP.


J

Laowai123
02-01-07, 11:37
A quick report on a pleasant Zhang Mu Tou trip last week. Laowai123 was a great host and went to great lengths to make sure I had a good hotel and wasn’t lost once I got to the city. Nice guy and if you like to go hunting in BBSs, bars, or anywhere in China with a “laowai wingman”, L123 is ready and willing, and actually more like a squadron of fighter jets more than a wingman, so if you find some female target that needs to be cluster-bombed with chat, jokes, and flirty-ness, he’s ready and willing.Hi J,

Thanks for this feedback! ZMT and the Laowai Squadron welcomes you anytime again. Yeah, as Laowai you have to speak Chinese and know "local" language as ice breaker to get what you want and/or to have fun. When you can/know both you are more attractive for them, they then often start flirting and I jump on it. As long all involved parties know that this is just a game and the girls are hookers, it brings fun for all. But sometimes I fear death, especially when he falls in love with her and she started the game, but he wants to penalty me. :mad: :confused:

Some updates and information:

In this "main" BBS area are at least 17 shops at the moment, but many were closed during Js visit. The amount varies from time to time.

Santa also visited ZMT these days and we discovered a new BBS area before your visit. Shops don't have the well known red light, but this area seems to become a new BBS area and we counted at least three shops with girls. One mama told me that she moved from the other main BBS area, as competition is getting tough there.
Locals told me that you can get in this area "services" starting with CNY25. Not from a BBS girl, but from the "real" barber shops. I was offered a massage for CNY25 when I went to a hair cut in one of these barber shops last year, but did not take it "serious". has to be investigated what they mean with this, but I assume it's not what we are looking for.

ZMT is also a monger place for many HK'ers and known as "Little Hong Kong". Because of this, between FR evening and SU evening is rush-hour at BBS areas and many girls are pre-booked by their HK boyfriends. You came on FR night and many shops were nearly empty or closed, because of "sold out".

Prices:
J, did you really paid ST 200 +100??? Standard price during evening is ST150 - 50 mama, 100 girl, 100 extra pop. In some shops with a "workbench" or a shop owned apartment next to this area you can get ST for 130. LT is 400, so she wanted to cheat you as you are not local.
As later, as less you pay.

Hope to welcome you again or anybody else who wants to visit ZMT.

LW

JonnyBGood
02-01-07, 18:50
Can anyone advise where the action is around here? Went to cionese KTV and got totall ripped off by "Model" who was supposed to be 1200RMB for LT and then went for 1 pop and asked for 1500. gave her 1k and told her to get out. Any help would be appreciated as I'm here until Sunday.

Loso69
02-03-07, 03:00
Prelude

I was a stranger in a strange land, and unable to communicate with anyone. Still, while I was checking back into the Miraton Hotel, the theme tune from Cheers was playing through my head. Even though a laowai sticks out like a sore thumb, Changping felt like home.

I didn’t get enough beauty sleep my final night in Shenzhen, and figured I deserved a little rest after unpacking. I dozed off and by the time I woke up... it was dark already. Holy shit!

Xiao Chong

The Hui Mei mamasans were wondering where I’d been. :) The BBS I ended up in... happened to be the shop where I got my very first girl in Changping.

Xiao Chong and I didn’t get on very well at the start. She wouldn’t kiss me. She wouldn’t take pictures. When I asked her to leave, she called her mamasan and everything was hunky dory. :)

Xiao Chong gave me plenty of kisses & a great cat bath and spent a really long time with my dick in her mouth. She wasn’t ticklish at all and loved my vampire impersonation. By the time I’d made my way to her pussy, she was already wet, and got even wetter. She resisted my entering her fully at first, but ultimately seemed to love laowai dick.

Xiao Jeu

By the time I got to Yalan, it was after 10PM and most of the pretty birds had flown. But Xiao Jeu was a cutie and a sweetie. After having dinner at Happy Together, we had a grand ‘ole time bouncing around on those soft Miraton beds. Loso was home... and he was happy. :)

Loso

Old Mean Dog
02-03-07, 05:38
To all you "Senior" Senior Members,

I was just wondering why the mommies are so young in CP (some younger than the girls they tout) while in other places they tend to be older men and women. Is there a reason for this?

Some of these young mommies are cuter than the girls working for them.....

I will be in CP from 2/3 till 2/6

-SZE

Fast Eddie 48
02-03-07, 06:46
To all you "Senior" Senior Members,

I was just wondering why the mommies are so young in CP (some younger than the girls they tout) while in other places they tend to be older men and women. Is there a reason for this?

Some of these young mommies are cuter than the girls working for them.....

I will be in CP from 2/3 till 2/6

-SZE


to SZE

You just having meet the old one yet most of them is old pro in their late thirty , Lily is young mid twenty she teach all the young how to bbbj and try to get her to do a double fly with one of her girl.

fast eddie 48

Superforce99
02-03-07, 07:03
I am 99% sure I had this girl a few months back as a BBS gal in CP. Anyone else seen or tried her before?

http://******.com/en/viewid.php?uid=18783&star=1


J

German Shuaige
02-03-07, 13:13
Can anyone advise where the action is around here? Went to cionese KTV and got totall ripped off by "Model" who was supposed to be 1200RMB for LT and then went for 1 pop and asked for 1500. gave her 1k and told her to get out. Any help would be appreciated as I'm here until Sunday.Just try inhouse KTV, you are fairly safe not to get ripped off there as you are hotel guest. Tried it 3 weeks ago and they also have some ok gals.

Downunder96
02-03-07, 13:47
Is Lily from Yalan?
I think she is 24 & probably one of the nicest around that area
DU96

To all you "Senior" Senior Members,

I was just wondering why the mommies are so young in CP (some younger than the girls they tout) while in other places they tend to be older men and women. Is there a reason for this?

Some of these young mommies are cuter than the girls working for them.....

I will be in CP from 2/3 till 2/6

-SZE

OldAsiaHand
02-03-07, 16:51
DU96,

Yes, Lily is from Yalan. She has moved locations and now on the second floor above the shop on the corner next to the Yalan Hotel.

All of her girls are well trained and service is excellent. I think that Wadman has probably done all of them. Lately, I've not been too impressed with the appearance of her girls though.

Just my POV.

OAH



Is Lily from Yalan?
I think she is 24 & probably one of the nicest around that area
DU96

Loso69
02-04-07, 02:52
Crackdown

The next afternoon, I headed for the Hui Mei area looking for my usual afternoon ST. A mamasan led me to a BBS, but nobody opened the door. Tired of waiting around, I walked away...

Another mamasan offered me a girl in the middle of the street. She was a top beauty, so I didn’t have to think twice before I got my wallet out and gave her 100 RMB. As soon as I handed her the money, some guy grabbed her shoulder, flashed his badge at me and said “Police!” At first, I thought it was a scam to relieve a laowai of 100 RMB, but the cop made the mamasan give my money back straight away. I was allowed to walk and never looked back!

Miao

Finally, I walked over to the Jia Mei Hotel, where mamasan Xiao Fang was waiting in the lobby. There seemed to be fewer girls than usual, but I spotted one that had a feline quality. Her named was... Miao. :)

Miao had a hot little body and a great rack. She loved to model, danced her little butt off and turned out to be quite the tigress...

Closed!

Afterwards, I walked back to the Hui Mei area, hoping to meet the beauty that had escaped me. I walked the length of both alleys, but wasn’t approached by a single mamasan. Guess all the BBS were closed.

I got into a van and headed for the Yalan area. I walked into the alley next to the Silver Star Hotel, but found both BBS on the left hand side of the alley to be deserted.

Huan Huan

As in Hui Mei, the hotel BBS was open. As in Hui Mei, the selection wasn’t all that great. I picked a tall girl with a great figure and... vampire teeth.

Huan Huan seemed really affectionate in the BBS, but turned stone cold in my room. She turned away as I tried to kiss her. She pushed me away as I was nibbling on her tits. She used her feet to the same effect as I was eating her pussy.

I was fed up with her bitchy attitude and ordered her to suck my dick, which she did. I fucked her (hard!) and send Miss Frosty on her way.

Epilogue

I walked back to the Hui Mei area to look for a replacement, but it was still totally deserted. With the crackdown, the vampire & sleeping alone for the first time in Changping, it hadn’t been the best of days...

Loso

Azn Playa
02-04-07, 05:54
To all you "Senior" Senior Members,

I was just wondering why the mommies are so young in CP (some younger than the girls they tout) while in other places they tend to be older men and women. Is there a reason for this?

Some of these young mommies are cuter than the girls working for them.....



Ok I'm not that senior but will answer anyway.

I believe there is a tiered system with the mamas in the rooms and some of the girls running the streets. Yes some of the mamas locate themselves on the street but usually near or at the entrance to their place.

The 'young mommies' I think you are refering to I consider to be 'street touts'. There are some who are very young (one is only 18) and have never been a working girl before. The touts I have chatted to have told me they get 10RMB for each customer they find that takes a girl from their room. Yes you are right, there are certainly some cute ones out there!

For me, I am a sucker for a cute face and some of these younger street touts are very friendly. It will usually soften me up enough to agree in seeing their girls first before going to other rooms. A successful marketing strategy.

Ace Gallant
02-04-07, 06:44
To all you "Senior" Senior Members,

I was just wondering why the mommies are so young in CP (some younger than the girls they tout) while in other places they tend to be older men and women. Is there a reason for this?

Some of these young mommies are cuter than the girls working for them.....

I will be in CP from 2/3 till 2/6

-SZE

SZE,

Here's where your 200RMB (ST) goes:

100 => the girl you fucked
50 => the BBS owner
40 => the mummy (if they don't have Runners under them, they make the full 50)
10 => runner (touts)

Each Mummy can "employ" as many runners as they want or they can don't employ at all. As you know, although the BBSs of Yalan area are sort of cluster together, there is a distance between Swan Lake Hotel and Yalan Hotel (300metres) so mommies who are better off get to “employ” these runners.

Definitions:

Runners (Touts or Partners)

These Runners are paid by the mummy they are attached to, many a time the mommies would refer them as “My Partner”. Mommies do take days offs, In any case if they do, they may also let their “Partner” (their runners) take over the Sales. Some of these runner can be as young as 16 but not older than 20 (by the time they reach 20, they would have become a mummy themselves). Runner may one day “move up the ranks” and become mummy themselves. Average income of a Runner : 50 RMB / day. . Of course this also depends on how many girls her mummy has.


Mummy (Pimps)

These mummies can either be formerly working girls (Pros) working in the BBS or formerly Runners. They are obligated to the owner of the BBS. Most of the time mommies get their girls from referrals from one of the girls already working in the BBS. They are the main “Sales Manager” of the BBS. Of course, the Owner of the BBS can be the Sales Manager too! Average income of a Mummy : 500 RMB / day. Of course this also depends on how many girls she has. Mommies take 50% of the risk. If they are caught, first offender: a fine of 2000RMB and 1 day jail; second time they will be sentence to maximum of 5 days Jail and a fine of maximum 50,000. Repeated offender: Maximum Life imprisonment.

Owner

They are mostly Male. They pay the rent and operational expenses of the whole BBS. In some cases the BBS has more than one owner. ! Average income of a Owner: 1000 / day. Of course it depends on how many girls he have. (Partnership). He takes the highest risk. If he is caught running the BBS; first offender: 1 month Jail and a maximum fine of 50,000. If convicted on the second time, maximum sentence: firing squat. Due to the risk, the owner/s are seldom running the show or at the BBS. Even if they are, they will not admit they are the owner.

AG

Bill Lee
02-04-07, 15:53
What's the fine and penalty for a working girl caught in a raid?

Bill


SZE,

Mummy (Pimps)

These mummies can either be formerly working girls (Pros) working in the BBS or formerly Runners. They are obligated to the owner of the BBS. Most of the time mommies get their girls from referrals from one of the girls already working in the BBS. They are the main “Sales Manager” of the BBS. Of course, the Owner of the BBS can be the Sales Manager too! Average income of a Mummy : 500 RMB / day. Of course this also depends on how many girls she has. Mommies take 50% of the risk. If they are caught, first offender: a fine of 2000RMB and 1 day jail; second time they will be sentence to maximum of 5 days Jail and a fine of maximum 50,000. Repeated offender: Maximum Life imprisonment.

Owner

They are mostly Male. They pay the rent and operational expenses of the whole BBS. In some cases the BBS has more than one owner. ! Average income of a Owner: 1000 / day. Of course it depends on how many girls he have. (Partnership). He takes the highest risk. If he is caught running the BBS; first offender: 1 month Jail and a maximum fine of 50,000. If convicted on the second time, maximum sentence: firing squat. Due to the risk, the owner/s are seldom running the show or at the BBS. Even if they are, they will not admit they are the owner.

AG

Loso69
02-04-07, 16:21
AG,

I knew the girl only got 100RMB for ST, but didn't know how the other 100 RMB was split up. Interesting info!

But how about the 500 RMB for LT? How is that split up?

Loso

Ace Gallant
02-04-07, 17:32
What's the fine and penalty for a working girl caught in a raid?

Bill


The China law is such that they do not punish the working girls that much. First and second time offender may just get away with a couple of day Jail and third time they get escorted back to home town in which the whole of their village will be make known that she had been naughty outside their hometown (IMHO: that’s even worst than death penalty!) They don't usually fine them because the police know that they do not have the money. Even they get fine, they will not be able to pay!

The main reason why they do not punish the girls that much is because they understand that they are poor and only want to sell themselves due to that reasons. But I also heard that when they are in Jail…. They are not treated very right….. If you know what I meant….

Whilst the much stronger penalties goes to the people who are selling the girls is because, in the history of China, it had always been that way, they are basically “forcing” the girls to sell themselves.

AG

Ace Gallant
02-04-07, 17:43
AG,

I knew the girl only got 100RMB for ST, but didn't know how the other 100 RMB was split up. Interesting info!

But how about the 500 RMB for LT? How is that split up?

Loso

The girls get to keep the whole of 400 for the LT. That is why the girls in CP will pester you to keep them overnight because:

1) They make more
2) They don't have to return to the BBS and wait for the next customer in which may never arrive.

However if it is early (before 1900hrs) and it a weekend like Friday or Sat. they would rather do one ST and return to the BBS in which they have 80% chance that they will get another customer in which they will pester them to keep them for LT.

AG

Loso69
02-04-07, 20:45
AG,

Thanks for the feedback! So a LT costs the punter 2.5 times as much as a ST (200-500), but the girl actually makes 4 times more money (100-400). Knowing that, I guess I should insist on 4 rounds in future. :)

I wouldn’t say that the CP girls pestered me to keep them LT, as that sounds negative. I’d rather say they treated me right to insure the more lucrative LT deal. As it’s in the girls’ best interests to provide good service, the system in the CP BBS actually works in our favor.

While you’re at it, could you also provide the split for KTV girls (2-5-8)? And maybe for Shenzhen BBS (150-400) and Zhuhai SW (200-x00)?

Loso

Loso69
02-04-07, 21:35
Fong Fong... Again

The next day, some of the Hui Mei BBS were open again, but had relocated. A mamasan walked me to the street to the right of the Virgin Hotel. Different location, same old girls.

Fong Fong was still the best looking girl from her stable. I loved her looks and style, and figured she’d no longer have an attitude the 2nd time around.

Fong Fong remembered me and knew exactly what kind of service I expected. Plenty of kissing, great BBBJ and her tight little pussy tasted sweet as ever.

Li Me

After my first ST, I figured I had time to fit in another ST. :) The BBS I visited only had 3 girls. The first 2 girls the mamasan threw in my lap weren’t the ones I wanted. She was hesitant to offer me the other girl, as she was new. But those cute dimples were damn irresistible...

Li Me was totally sweet, but not very skilled. She was only the 2nd girl in Changping to refuse to suck my dick. But her tight pussy got really wet as I was drilling her, which felt wonderful.

Li Me didn’t have a phone and asked to borrow mine. When she called her mamasan, I recognized the few words of Chinese I’d picked up along the way: “Hao ta (very big) and Hao tong (very hurt)” :)

Wang

For some reason, I decided to skip Yalan today, and got LT company from Hui Mei as well. The first time I’d visited Wang’s shop, she would come over, hit me and scream as she ran away. Paradoxically, when a girl hits you, it usually means she likes you. :) But her mamasan didn’t appreciate her antics and ended up spanking her. :)

On my second visit, Wang started a charm offensive. She had a hot little body and told me (in English) that she wanted to fuck me. Wang turned out to be... Vietnamese. I never knew there were Vietnamese girls in Changping! Anyway, a feisty vixen like Wang would either be big trouble or great fun...

Wang’s tiny body, perfectly shaped tits and passionate kisses made me horny as hell. Typical of Vietnamese girls, Wang sucked a mean dick. And she loved it when I stuck my tongue deep inside her pussy. The first round was great. After dinner at a Chinese-Thai restaurant, the second round was amazing. We’d both deserved a good night’s sleep...

Loso

ManonsanBoy
02-04-07, 22:56
The main reason why they do not punish the girls that much is because they understand that they are poor and only want to sell themselves due to that reasons. But I also heard that when they are in Jail…. They are not treated very right….. If you know what I meant….



AG


Prostitution in China has always been handled with great ambivalance. The great driver for it, as always, is poverty. However, there is a great deal of flow on economic activity and most law enforcers are happy to extract their cut.

ManonsanBoy
02-04-07, 23:39
Location: Sangem Goodview, Tangxia

Circumstance: Long lost rich friend from Canada (chinese), after golf and another friend with connections @ hotel

Called mamasan and manager at beginning of golf game. Much arrangements made. Conversation lasted over 20 minutes by connection.

After game, went to legit massage @ hotel (second floor) with 2 for 2 hours of very professional legit massage on second floor. Difference was this massage was done naked but masseaur were clothed. Fell asleep. Very relaxed afterwards. Given some special herbal tea, robes and headed down to President's room on the first floor. These rooms are amazing. Large bed, decent sauna, large jacuzzi and scrub table. No parade necessary as all had been arranged.

Two 10's came in to my room with mamasan. Numbers 62 and 28, both from CQ. 1 tall and slinky and one a little chunky and with a 36 rack. Thick lips, flawless skin, soft hands and feet and good teeth. Both "fresh". Accept.

Undressed (threw off gown) and into sauna. Some more herbal tea which must have been spiked with viagra because I had a hard on. Chunky one came in with me and generally played around with my body and chatting away. BBBJ in sauna. Then on to the scrub table after a quick shower. Top to toe scrub, including a brush one for feet. I never flet so clean when it finished. Lasted 30 minutes.

Then it started, with one sucking my toes and the other french kissing me. All the time shower, licks, kisses, BBBJ and anal riming, breast massage (ever had 4 breasts massaging your dick?). This lasted 30 minutes.

After, I just jumped into the hot jacuzzi (as I had requested) and 5 minutes after, on to the bed. Ever had 2 women drying you by using towels in a sandwich? Then nal cut, ear waxing and teeth brushed.

Lie down on bed. All the usuals were there but twice over. Ever had one sucking your dick and another ass riming you? One sucking your dick and another sitting on your face with a nice smelling pussy. I came with the girl only sucking me and not hard at that. CIM mouth and no drama. Afterwards, the one who sat on my face gave me a gentle suck, licking mu cum. I was in mongers' heaven.

Then they massage me with reasonable competence as I rested. More herbal tea and I was ready to go again. More sucking. Then they asked whether I wanted not to use condom and they both produced a certificate dated that day (friday) out of their little nick nack boxes, attesting they were free of a number of diseases.

What the hell. Bareback multiple positions and eventually shot my load into slinky one. Then play, shower and dressed.

From legit massage to leaving, 5 hours.

Total cost:

legit massage: 580 including tips.
Each girl: 700
Room: 780

Dinner in private room: 3 middle age men and 6 "airline hostesses" from night club. Reasonably intelligent conversation. Dinner was around 6000 because we had some French reds and New Zealand whites.

Connection insisted on me taking one from CQ back to room for the night.

I fell asleep before anything could happen.

Early morning sleepy session.

The best experience I had in 25 years of mongering and it all happened in Tangxia.

Diver69
02-05-07, 01:35
Ace,

You are a wealth of info.

One of the girls I had back in December told me that the commission for the driver (taxi/van etc) comes out of her 100 RMB, is that true?

I know most of us don't go with drivers and such, but I am just curious if she was telling the truth.

Diver

Reader123
02-05-07, 03:38
Is it 150 or 200? I've heard others getting it for 150. The street touts even offered it for 150 while walking, but I wasn't interested at that moment. Certain shops are desperate for business?

OldAsiaHand
02-05-07, 04:41
Reader 123,

Most of the time, the price is 150 RMB in this location. The hotel on the left keeps changing the room where they keep the girls, but the going rate there is 150 all the time. Some of the mamas in the small shops on the right try to get 100 + 100, but will usually settle for 50 + 100.

OAH



Is it 150 or 200? I've heard others getting it for 150. The street touts even offered it for 150 while walking, but I wasn't interested at that moment. Certain shops are desperate for business?

Weelock
02-05-07, 05:07
Is it 150 or 200? I've heard others getting it for 150. The street touts even offered it for 150 while walking, but I wasn't interested at that moment. Certain shops are desperate for business?

Reader123,

Yes, there are a few shops that are $150 RMB behind Hei Mei but they move around all the time. There also others about 5 mins away but the quality is usually low.

There is a motocabbie I used, who brings me around CP. He brought me to a few places for $150. He gets a small commission from the $150. I don't know the amount. ( People were talking about commissions ). For the Yanlan Area that changes $200RMB, he gets $30 or $20. I don't recall the exact amount and only if I take anything. He told me there are more BBS about 15-20 mins away from downtown CP but at the time I was not interested. The guy is usually station in front of Lucky Hotel. This guy knows places because he aways brings girls back and forth from the hotels to the BBS/KTV. These CP girls usually don't take a taxi back home. He was the first who showed me about the night market for $150RMB, In other words, your place for the KTV rejects after 12am. and other places for around $40-30, ( the catacombs ). I have the guy's cell but I have to search for it.

Weelock

One Wing Low
02-05-07, 05:23
Chief Financial Officer
Prostitution Inc.
GuangDong, China


Ace Gallant,

You wrote as if you work side by side with them.

What is your kickback?

AP

FoxySimone
02-05-07, 11:09
Hey,

I am a newbie here.

BTW what does CP stand for. I am going to be in Houjie in april. Can anyone suggest good mongering places?

Foxdana
02-05-07, 11:39
Dear Bro Loso,

Was the BBS located right behind of the Miraton hotel ? I remembered there was a DVD/CD shop and then a smallish restaurant ( Man Lean - English Man u ). I remembered walking passed these shops and did not seem to see any alley.

Thanks

Azn Playa
02-05-07, 12:01
There is a motocabbie I used, who brings me around CP. He brought me to a few places for $150. He gets a small commission from the $150. I don't know the amount. ( People were talking about commissions ). For the Yanlan Area that changes $200RMB, he gets $30 or $20. I don't recall the exact amount and only if I take anything. He told me there are more BBS about 15-20 mins away from downtown CP but at the time I was not interested. The guy is usually station in front of Lucky Hotel. This guy knows places because he aways brings girls back and forth from the hotels to the BBS/KTV. These CP girls usually don't take a taxi back home. He was the first who showed me about the night market for $150RMB, In other words, your place for the KTV rejects after 12am. and other places for around $40-30, ( the catacombs ).

By motocabbie you are refering to a motorbike taxi?
And once you choose a girl the three of you ride back to the hotel?

I have always used the vans as they are safe and no one can see you or the girl due to the tinted windows.
I take moto taxis in other asian countries but only when there are no other options.

Now that you know where everything is, you shouldn't need this guy.
I don't like the idea of a moto driver taking a cut from the girls
(and 20-30RMB sounds like a huge amount for what the work he has done).

Weelock
02-05-07, 13:15
By motocabbie you are refering to a motorbike taxi?
And once you choose a girl the three of you ride back to the hotel?

I have always used the vans as they are safe and no one can see you or the girl due to the tinted windows.
I take moto taxis in other asian countries but only when there are no other options.

Now that you know where everything is, you shouldn't need this guy.
I don't like the idea of a moto driver taking a cut from the girls
(and 20-30RMB sounds like a huge amount for what the work he has done).

For coming back with a girl, most of the time I get a private car or taxi if I find one. Cost is about $10 RMB to $15 for a private car. Now for KTV girls are dressed too nice to get onto a motobike. I always get a taxi and they are always in front of the KTV/hotel. The motobike taxi guy just drives me around from one BBS to another in CP. He shows me any new locations.

There are also danger about getting into a private van like getting kidnapped. Sorry. I'm a lot more weiry ( cautious ) than before. I now ask the girl or mamasan if they know the driver before I get in. If you got others with your, it's fine also.

Sukhumvitter
02-05-07, 14:35
Thanks to SZexpat and Laowei123 for showing me around CP this weekend. I now know where to stay and where to go for fun!

Thanks guys!

Ace Gallant
02-05-07, 15:46
Ace,

You are a wealth of info.

One of the girls I had back in December told me that the commission for the driver (taxi/van etc) comes out of her 100 RMB, is that true?

I know most of us don't go with drivers and such, but I am just curious if she was telling the truth.

Diver

The drivers get a standard 10RMb (just like a runner would) but this share comes from the Mommies and not from the girl.

Of course there are cases where the drivers personally had hooked up with the girl themselves (likely that he is her customer too!), the driver get paid 10RMB directly from the girl/s. Such case; the girl actually made the full 190 and not just 100.

So, both case, the girl can be telling the truth or not telling the truth.

AG

Ace Gallant
02-05-07, 16:06
AG,

While you’re at it, could you also provide the split for KTV girls (2-5-8)? And maybe for Shenzhen BBS (150-400) and Zhuhai SW (200-x00)?

Loso

Different KTVs have different policies and it differ from city to city too! It will be difficult to explain all of them, please ask me when we meet in person next time!

AG

Laowai123
02-05-07, 16:39
After I came back from SZ I went to ZMTs barbecue area in downtown. When approaching this area I saw three line-ups of girls in front of a hotel. Approaching the line-up, I could see following:

Girls were insepcted by mamas of ZMT Sangem Goodview Hotel, like "slaves" were inspected in old days and animals nowadays.

The girls looked all very young, around 18/19, some younger, but in CN all girls look younger.

I passed by, and watched the scene from distance. Some girls left the scene as being "rejected" and the remaining could board the hotel bus waiting next to this scene.

So, in case somebody is looking for "fresh" girls, ZMT Sangem Goodview has some now. Chinese New Year is coming, big biz will be during this time.

What will a girl think when she get "inspected" in the public?

LW

UnderPSI
02-05-07, 19:55
I second that! It is an exceptional 5+ star dream sauna; however I did not have the 2 on 1 experience. I didn't even need to search for talent, the 1st one that came was a 9.5+; and I'm really picky.


Location: Sangem Goodview, Tangxia

Circumstance: Long lost rich friend from Canada (chinese), after golf and another friend with connections @ hotel

Called mamasan and manager at beginning of golf game. Much arrangements made. Conversation lasted over 20 minutes by connection.

After game, went to legit massage @ hotel (second floor) with 2 for 2 hours of very professional legit massage on second floor. Difference was this massage was done naked but masseaur were clothed. Fell asleep. Very relaxed afterwards. Given some special herbal tea, robes and headed down to President's room on the first floor. These rooms are amazing. Large bed, decent sauna, large jacuzzi and scrub table. No parade necessary as all had been arranged.

Two 10's came in to my room with mamasan. Numbers 62 and 28, both from CQ. 1 tall and slinky and one a little chunky and with a 36 rack. Thick lips, flawless skin, soft hands and feet and good teeth. Both "fresh". Accept.

Undressed (threw off gown) and into sauna. Some more herbal tea which must have been spiked with viagra because I had a hard on. Chunky one came in with me and generally played around with my body and chatting away. BBBJ in sauna. Then on to the scrub table after a quick shower. Top to toe scrub, including a brush one for feet. I never flet so clean when it finished. Lasted 30 minutes.

Then it started, with one sucking my toes and the other french kissing me. All the time shower, licks, kisses, BBBJ and anal riming, breast massage (ever had 4 breasts massaging your dick?). This lasted 30 minutes.

After, I just jumped into the hot jacuzzi (as I had requested) and 5 minutes after, on to the bed. Ever had 2 women drying you by using towels in a sandwich? Then nal cut, ear waxing and teeth brushed.

Lie down on bed. All the usuals were there but twice over. Ever had one sucking your dick and another ass riming you? One sucking your dick and another sitting on your face with a nice smelling pussy. I came with the girl only sucking me and not hard at that. CIM mouth and no drama. Afterwards, the one who sat on my face gave me a gentle suck, licking mu cum. I was in mongers' heaven.

Then they massage me with reasonable competence as I rested. More herbal tea and I was ready to go again. More sucking. Then they asked whether I wanted not to use condom and they both produced a certificate dated that day (friday) out of their little nick nack boxes, attesting they were free of a number of diseases.

What the hell. Bareback multiple positions and eventually shot my load into slinky one. Then play, shower and dressed.

From legit massage to leaving, 5 hours.

Total cost:

legit massage: 580 including tips.
Each girl: 700
Room: 780

Dinner in private room: 3 middle age men and 6 "airline hostesses" from night club. Reasonably intelligent conversation. Dinner was around 6000 because we had some French reds and New Zealand whites.

Connection insisted on me taking one from CQ back to room for the night.

I fell asleep before anything could happen.

Early morning sleepy session.

The best experience I had in 25 years of mongering and it all happened in Tangxia.

Loso69
02-05-07, 21:35
More Crackdowns

The next day, I was approached by the mamasan from Fong Fong’s shop again. But I’d already fucked all the girls I wanted from her shop and had no interest in going back. She wouldn’t give up and insisted on calling a girl that would be to my liking. As she was waiting for her to show, a van pulled up, two guys wearing green uniforms got out and arrested her. Luckily, she wasn’t detained for long. She was back on the streets later that same day.

Since a laowai sticks out like a sore thumb in China and since there were police officers patrolling the area, the mamasans were hesitant to approach me after seeing their colleague being carted off...

Xiao Lin

Even with the crackdown, the Jia Mei Hotel was always a safe bet. Xiao Lin had a funky look and seemed to be into laowais. I knew she’d treat me right!

Xiao Lin jumped my bones as soon as we reached my room and turned out to be ultra-horny. She was the only girl I met in China who displayed visible signs of childbirth, but her performance definitely made up for that. Passionate kisses, great cat bath, amazing BBBJ and a monster fuck. Every little thing she did was magic...

Xiao Ping

That night at Yalan, business seemed to be back to normal. Not that I visited many shops, as the first mamasan who approached me took me to just the shop I wanted to visit.

Xiao Ping was the girl who kept Reader123 company on his final night in Changping and high on my to-do list. She remembered me and when I told her that my friend had gone home, she was happy to accompany me.

At Harper’s with Reader123, Xiao Ping had requested Emilia’s Big Big World. When we found it on an Internet site, she was singing along, even though she didn’t understand the English lyrics. Xiao Ping also loved to model & dance and was wonderful company.

When we finally made it to the bed, it felt great as Xiao Ping wrapped her sultry lips around my dick. But fucking her was a bizarre experience. I felt as if I was squeezing my dick between two bones. After 2 rounds, my dick actually hurt!

When I burnt her a CD with her pictures, Xiao Ping wanted to go home, but I insisted she stay until noon. When she woke me up in the afternoon, my dick was still sore and I refrained from dipping my stick into that deadly pussy again. I don’t think I’ve ever met a girl so tight she could actually do damage to my dick!

Loso

Loso69
02-05-07, 21:48
I’m surprised nobody commented when I reported about a Vietnamese girl in CP. I couldn’t find any references to Vietnamese girls in the Dongguan section and Johnnykon couldn’t believe there were Vietnamese girls in CP when I told him about Wang. When she transferred to the stable of a mamasan he knows, Johnnykon became a believer. Apparently, there are others too...

How do Chinese mongers feel about Vietnamese girls? BTW, Wang speaks Chinese but cannot write it.

Loso

Neuromancer
02-05-07, 22:01
I’m surprised nobody commented when I reported about a Vietnamese girl in CP. I couldn’t find any references to Vietnamese girls in the Dongguan section and Johnnykon couldn’t believe there were Vietnamese girls in CP when I told him about Wang. When she transferred to the stable of a mamasan he knows, Johnnykon became a believer. Apparently, there are others too...

How do Chinese mongers feel about Vietnamese girls? BTW, Wang speaks Chinese but cannot write it.

LosoThink that there are some Viets who are smokin hot. But plenty who are just so-so. Have had a few back in the US. But they were older and well, a man has got to do what a man has got to do (ie. Not too many other options). Weird thing is I keep expecting them to say "GI go boom boom" and sort of wrecks the whole experience.

Seriously though. If I were targeting Vietnamese. Um. I'd go to Vietnam. It's only a 2hr flight or so to HCMC from HK.

I'd probably target a Vietnamese before I'd target a Thai. Just because they tend to me more "Chinese-like". I know that there are plenty of Thai girls who are "Chinese-like", ie. Whiter skin. But seems like there are more Vietnamese of this sort. And those dresses that they wear (what're they called? Sort of like a Vietnamese version of a Cheongsam/Qipao). Get's me all hot and bothered. Have been dying to go to Vietnam for ages. Gotta find some time to make the trip.

Downunder96
02-06-07, 02:27
If Wang can speak chinese, she's most likely VBC (Vietnamese Born Chinese). Chinese parents but grew up in Vietnam.
DU96

I’m surprised nobody commented when I reported about a Vietnamese girl in CP. I couldn’t find any references to Vietnamese girls in the Dongguan section and Johnnykon couldn’t believe there were Vietnamese girls in CP when I told him about Wang. When she transferred to the stable of a mamasan he knows, Johnnykon became a believer. Apparently, there are others too...

How do Chinese mongers feel about Vietnamese girls? BTW, Wang speaks Chinese but cannot write it.

Loso

Dtcid
02-06-07, 06:18
I was there 3 years ago during New Year. They sure improved since I was there.

Reader123
02-06-07, 06:53
There is a girl on the 2nd floor BBS/KTV/bar across the street from the Yalan Hotel that speaks Vietnamese. Whether she is ethnic Chinese or not, I'm not sure. She spoke Cantonese too, so it is likely she is VBC.

FYI, for those that are into Vietnamese.


If Wang can speak chinese, she's most likely VBC (Vietnamese Born Chinese). Chinese parents but grew up in Vietnam.
DU96

Laowai123
02-06-07, 08:05
Crazier told me that he saw one in a shop behind Hui Mei during his stay in January / New Year. Went with him to this shop some days later, but she was not present.

He saw her in one of the first shop, even not the first one, when you approach this alley from JiaMei Hotel.

LW

PS: Just being curious: Something special with vietnamese girls? Service quality?

Old Mean Dog
02-06-07, 10:46
I’m surprised nobody commented when I reported about a Vietnamese girl in CP. I couldn’t find any references to Vietnamese girls in the Dongguan section and Johnnykon couldn’t believe there were Vietnamese girls in CP when I told him about Wang. When she transferred to the stable of a mamasan he knows, Johnnykon became a believer. Apparently, there are others too...

How do Chinese mongers feel about Vietnamese girls? BTW, Wang speaks Chinese but cannot write it.

Loso

I read a report awhile back ago about how Chinese men in the province's that border Vietnam who "border jump" to bring girls back one way or another as wifes, sex slaves, etc.. I also know some girls in my business who are half Korean/Chinese. Overall, this is does not seem so surprising.

I was in GZ a few weeks ago and banged a massage girl from Xinjiang AR who looked almost like a laowai, found out half her family is of Russian decent, but she was born and raised in China.

-SZE

Azn Playa
02-06-07, 13:25
PS: Just being curious: Something special with vietnamese girls? Service quality?

Yes indeed they are very special.

Takes a while to understand them though - you can't expect magic the first VN girl you ever get with. Living there certainly helps.

Throughout my experiences, the best VN girls I have been with, turned out to be the best Asian girls I've ever had.

Old Mean Dog
02-06-07, 14:02
I am becoming rather spoiled at the quality, quantity and enthusiasm of girls in CP and have now concluded it is money well spent rather than wasting it on robots in Shenzhen who just mechanically bang you.

Arrived Saturday night in CP with my wingman (Mr. J), my colleague, and the newly arrived in China, but senior monger Sukhumvitter. An associate of mine had arranged for us to meet him at a KTV called the “Taoyuan Recreation Town” at the Jiayi Hotel. I had never been to this KTV (personally can’t stand the crap music and folks who think they can sing), but was amazed at the massive amount of girls that greeted us when we entered (overall, must have been around 200 or more we saw throughout the night).

I was quite pleased with the honey that latched onto me when we were going to meet my associate and decided to keep her. Within an hour of arriving, I got a call from Laowai123 who was also in CP and wanted to meet us, since Sukhumvitter had never been to CP and was itching to see the “stables”, Laowai123 was very gracious to offer to give him the tour since I was obligated to stay at the KTV (was not disappointed considering we had about 10 girls in our room).

After hours of listening to people trying to sing and having a liar’s dice battle of the sexes with the mommy (we both ended up shit faced) I was in a drunken stupor and horny as hell! We decided it was time to head over to the hotel that had been prearranged for us called the Versailles Hotel (pretty nice place, but close to nothing). Inside the room I devoured this girl and hammered her with my drunk dick before finally collapsing, woke up the next morning and got a nice BBBJ CIM to make me forget about the damn hangover I had.

Name: CRS (Can’t Remember Shit), but I named her Lisa and she seemed to approve (my new hobby is giving them English names which I’m sure they forget once I pay them for their services).
Age: 22
Province: Hubei of course
Body: solid 9
Skills: 9 I can remember Mish, Doggy, Asian Cowgirl, DATY, DFK, BBBJ CIM
Damage: 800 rmb

I have her mobile if anyone (who contributes) wants to have a go at it, PM me.

Sunday: With a massive hangover and not getting out of bed till noon, decided to stay another night at the same hotel (besides my wingman was still OOC), said goodbye to Lisa and rolled into downtown to meet Sukhumvitter and Laowai123 (this hotel provides free shuttle service to and from). After meeting these guys and being introduced to another monger who goes by “Sammy or Sammie” (I think he lurks) we all decided to do a tour of the stables.

After being sexually harassed by the mommies, I found a sweet little thing behind the Yalin, who caught my eye immediately. This little sweetie was so good, I kept her the next day as well and was more than pleased with the service.

Monday: Checked into the Lucky Hotel (my fav for the price) and just bummed around town, ate and had more sex......a perfect Monday!

Name: Liuyan (Helen)
Age: 18
Province: Hubei (see a trend here?)
Body: 7 (tiny little thing)
Skills: 9 (she used to be a 2nd wife for 2 years to a HK guy (do the math))
Damage: 500 rmb per (100 mommy, 400 girl)

My wingman, Mr. J, ended up keeping his KTV girl (Hubei as well) for the first two days, but after she left him we made our way over to the Yalin once again where he chose a honey (also 18) to take care of him for the final night in town.

We are planning on being back in CP next Sunday for 2 days, to hookup with Laowai123 and do some more mongering if anyone wants to meet.

Santa, I am trying damn hard to steal your title out there, even JoJo thinks so, so you had better get back soon!

-SZE

Crazier
02-06-07, 17:36
Crazier told me that he saw one in a shop behind Hui Mei during his stay in January / New Year. Went with him to this shop some days later, but she was not present.

He saw her in one of the first shop, even not the first one, when you approach this alley from JiaMei Hotel.

LW

PS: Just being curious: Something special with vietnamese girls? Service quality?


My Viet GF (non WL) is the only girl to make me nut 4 times over a 12 hour span and given that she was all of 31 then and only a 4.5/10; that says something about Viet girls and sex. There were others (generally good f***s) who were WLs in Saigon and Singapore but, my "sample" is too small to generalise.

In CP., Papasan Kent whose BBS shop is behind the Huei Mei Hotel (one of the first few as you enter that back alley opposite the small hotel (name forgotton) where you have the BBS in room 3** often has at least a couple of Viet girls. For me, it seems silly to be taking a Viet girl in China! Then, if you have not tried, why not for a different flavour.

Loso69
02-06-07, 19:46
Fucking a Vietnamese girl was nothing special for me. I’ve easily fucked 100 Vietnamese girls in Cambodia (the best place for Vietnamese girls) and have also been to Vietnam. The hottest Vietnamese babes can be found in Macau. But fucking a Vietnamese girl in mainland China was special.

BTW, Wang later transferred to the BBS at the Jia Mei Hotel.

Loso

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Bill Lee
02-07-07, 18:49
The second phase of the fair is from April 25 to April 30, 2007.

From past experience, can anybody tell me if this fair has any effect on the normal operating situation in CP?

I am not sure if I should come back during that time.



Bill

Laowai123
02-07-07, 19:09
From past experience, can anybody tell me if this fair has any effect on the normal operating situation in CP?

I am not sure if I should come back during that time.

BillSome hotels in DG have higher prices during Canton Fair - please don't ask me which hotels, I read this and some hotel staff tolde me, but I forgot which one. If also in CP I have to check out, maybe some "Seniors" here can give feedback concerning regular hotels in CP or DG.

Anyway you should expect that foreigner during Canton Fair are more seen as people with money, especially in GZ. I highly recommend to come after the fair. During fair, the trains are crowded and you can expect that there is more "customer entertainment" in areas like DG, like regular weekends.

LW

Legal Lad
02-07-07, 21:02
Bill,

I can only tell you the effects in so far as KTVs are concerned, as I don't use streetwalkers.

The KTVs in CP during the GZ fair have been packed the last two years for me. There were a lot of visitors around. Rooms were in high demand, and the girls would try to ask for higher prices. They didn't get em from me, but it didn't stop them from asking.

'lad

Bill Lee
02-07-07, 21:47
The last day of the "second phase" of the Canton Fair is April 30th. How much of an effect that it will have on the days following the last day of the fair?

Should I push my incoming date a week further? My incoming date is April 29th.

I don't do KTV but it's a guage for other places that I plan on going to, such as Yalan and Hua Mei.

I guess I should check on the Miraton prices too for that week.

Thanks,
Bill


Some hotels in DG have higher prices during Canton Fair - please don't ask me which hotels, I read this and some hotel staff tolde me, but I forgot which one. If also in CP I have to check out, maybe some "Seniors" here can give feedback concerning regular hotels in CP or DG.

Anyway you should expect that foreigner during Canton Fair are more seen as people with money, especially in GZ. I highly recommend to come after the fair. During fair, the trains are crowded and you can expect that there is more "customer entertainment" in areas like DG, like regular weekends.

LW

Bill,

I can only tell you the effects in so far as KTVs are concerned, as I don't use streetwalkers.

The KTVs in CP during the GZ fair have been packed the last two years for me. There were a lot of visitors around. Rooms were in high demand, and the girls would try to ask for higher prices. They didn't get em from me, but it didn't stop them from asking.

'lad

Weelock
02-08-07, 00:04
The last day of the "second phase" of the Canton Fair is April 30th. How much of an effect that it will have on the days following the last day of the fair?

Should I push my incoming date a week further? My incoming date is April 29th.

I don't do KTV but it's a guage for other places that I plan on going to, such as Yalan and Hua Mei.

I guess I should check on the Miraton prices too for that week.

Thanks,
Bill


Some hotels in DG have higher prices during Canton Fair - please don't ask me which hotels, I read this and some hotel staff tolde me, but I forgot which one. If also in CP I have to check out, maybe some "Seniors" here can give feedback concerning regular hotels in CP or DG.

Anyway you should expect that foreigner during Canton Fair are more seen as people with money, especially in GZ. I highly recommend to come after the fair. During fair, the trains are crowded and you can expect that there is more "customer entertainment" in areas like DG, like regular weekends.

LW

"Pushing my incoming date a week further after April 29".

A side note, the first week of May is a national holiday. I believe all hotels and some transportation will raise their rates. The Canton fair ONLY effects Canton area for prices. But the hoilday effects all of China including HK and Macau. CP might be far enough so it might not be effected as much during the fair, but not during the national holiday. It's best to check.

For example, I was in Macau and found 3 stars hotels 900-1100HKD during this time. It was a big suprise to me since they normal go for only 350 to 450HKD.

Loso69
02-08-07, 21:46
Xiao Yeun

At Hui Mei the next afternoon, a mamasan led me to a BBS I hadn’t been to before, in the alley to the left of the Jia Mei Hotel. Maybe they’d relocated there after the crackdown, but I didn’t recognize any of the girls either.

Anyway, there were about 10 girls, with quite a few cuties. My favorite was Xiao Yeun and we were soon headed for my room, where she turned out to be a good, if not spectacular, performer.

Johnnykon

As I had plans to meet Johnnykon (from Zhuhai) for dinner, I went back to Hui Mei and made reservations for a Jia Mei Hotel beauty to spend the night with me.

After having dinner with Johnnykon and a laowai friend of his from Guangzhou, we all headed for Yalan. At the first BBS we visited, I was pinned to the bench by two girls, one of which was damn cute. I had a blast, but finally had to wrestle myself out... I already had a date. :)

Our next stop was the hotel BBS. I’d already fucked quite a few girls from that particular BBS, but spotted a beauty I hadn’t taken for a spin yet. Xiao Ching was simply irresistible and when Johnnykon said that I could meet my LT girl any time, I decided to give into temptation.

Xiao Ching

Xiao Ching was another girl with a simply spectacular body. A tiny waistline combined with perky C-cup tits make my eyes pop every time. On top of that, Xiao Ching was a natural beauty who wasn’t wearing any make-up whatsoever. It doesn’t get much better than this!

The service was magnificent as well. Xiao Ching was kissing me from the word go. Her BBBJ was deep and the fact that she kept eye contact made it even more stimulating. Her pussy was so tight, I needed extra lubrication to be able to penetrate her, even though she was naturally wet . But once I was in there, it was a comfortable fit. When she started passionately French kissing me as I was deep inside her, I was in heaven!

Sungi

Sungi was the beauty from the Jia Mei Hotel I’d made an advance booking for. But it was 2AM by the time I was ready to see her, and her mamasan was unable to contact her. Her other girls had already turned off their phones as well...

If I’d known that in advance, I’d never have let my darling Xiao Ching go. I was heartbroken to see her leave anyway...

Xiao Yeu

Since spending my last night alone would have been an anti-climax to a great trip, I was determined to find myself a replacement for Sungi. I braved the cold Chinese winter winds as I walked back to the Hui Mei area... to find a single mamasan sitting in the grocery shop.

She made a few phone calls, but was only able to find a single girl who was both available and still awake at 3AM on a Friday night. Considering the circumstances, Xiao Yeu was surprisingly cute. And she was holding me so tight...

My final China Doll turned out to be a top performer as well, as she was both passionate and horny as hell. After a great session, she slept like a baby as I was converting my final pictures and backing up the last batch of my collection.

Xiao Yeu wasn’t allowed to sleep for all that long, as she was rudely awakened by my alarm at 10AM. After my final romp in the hay, it was time to pack my bags and check out...

The flash shoe on my camera had been loose for most of this trip. While I was taking pictures of Xiao Yeu, it finally broke off. Since I had to hold my flash and carefully position it to make contact, it took an eternity to get just a few pictures of Xiao Yeu. Luckily, she was a patient girl.

Going Home?

I’d just discovered a new BBS in Hui Mei with plenty of cuties. Even though it was near closing time on a Friday night, there were still many girls I wanted to try from Yalan. I wasn’t ready to leave Changping yet...

Staying longer would also have given me the opportunity to hook up with Logos in Shenzhen, MongerX in Jakarta and Mariachi in AC. After all, I wouldn’t be starting work for another month...

I was traveling on a cheap plane ticket (W class), which was only valid for 30 days and would have been prohibitively expensive to change. But I could have gotten a cheap one way ticket from Bangkok to Germany with LTU...

I was still undecided whether I’d be taking off from HKIA the next day. But my flash shoe breaking off on my final night was an omen I couldn’t ignore...

Loso

GermanSurviver
02-08-07, 21:59
Thanks for your brilliant reports, its a pleasure to read it.

Hope to met you in real, at once.

But please dont go at an lovel lever, especially when you attecked from some others.

Have fun

GS

Downunder96
02-09-07, 01:51
DOes that mean we won't be able enjoy your fascinating CP report with quality pictures?
Mark Knopfler will take over with his fine music...
DU96

Xiao Yeun

I was still undecided whether I’d be taking off from HKIA the next day. But my flash shoe breaking off on my final night was an omen I couldn’t ignore...

Loso

Silly Puppy
02-09-07, 01:58
EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was deleted because the subject was not related to the purpose of this Forum, which is as follows:

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange if information between men on the subject of finding women for sex.

Loso69
02-09-07, 20:30
Getting There

From Zhuhai

When I arrived at the bus station at the end of LHL, across from the underground shopping mall that leads to the border crossing to Macau, I noticed a parked bus with a sign outside reading Dongguan (in English). But when I went to buy a ticket, the girl told me that bus didn’t stop in Changping.

Johnnykon explained that Dongguan is a district and that Changping is one of the towns in that district. Buses marked Dongguan may or may not stop in Changping.

Anyway, the girl from the ticket counter asked a security guard to show me the way to another bus station. When you look across the street, the shopping mall is off to your right. Look to your left and you’ll see more parked buses. This 2nd bus station has frequent buses to Changping for 70 RMB.

The bus made several short stops along the highway to let people off, but never pulled into a bus station. I was dropped off along the highway as well and took a metered taxi to the Miraton Hotel for 15 RMB.

To/From Shenzhen

The Dongguan train station is actually in Changping. There are frequent trains between Shenzhen and Changping for 35 RMB (30 minutes).

To/From HKIA

Eternal East Bus Experience

To get from Changping to HKIA, I took the Eternal East Bus, which I booked at the Miraton Hotel (160 RMB, although the ticket says 200 HKD).

- A minivan picked me up right outside the Miraton Hotel and brought us to the Good View Hotel, a luxury resort in Zhangmutou (aka ZMT aka Little Hong Kong).
- From there, a bus brought us to the border crossing at Lok Ma Chau Port.
* Immigration papers were handed out on the bus, as well as a complimentary bottle of water.
- You have to queue up to get stamped out of China and go through customs (with your luggage).
- After passing through Chinese immigration, I transferred to another minivan.
- They gathered our passports in the minivan and we passed through Hong Kong immigration without getting out.
- The minivan continued to HKIA.
- The journey took 2h15m.

Eternal East Bus Information

Unfortunately, their web site is only in Chinese:

http://www.eebus.com

But their brochure is bilingual Chinese/English. The schedule and location of the EE service kiosk A08 in HKIA have been attached.

Hotel

Miraton Hotel

Website

http://www.miratonhotel.com/english/main-e.htm

Room Rates

The room rate for standard rooms is 328 RMB Sunday-Thursday and 358 RMB on Friday and Saturday. The corporate rate is 30 RMB cheaper.

Rooms

The rooms at the Miraton come with all the mod cons you’d expect from a 4 star hotel. The soft king size bed invites you to bounce up and down. :) The safe is large enough to store all your valuables. The free Internet connection gives unrestricted access and allows you to post live reports on your favorite monger sites.

The bathroom features both a bathtub and a shower cubicle large enough for three or four people. The bathroom mirror never fogs up. And when I got home, I was surprised when the lights didn’t switch on automatically as I entered my bathroom. :)

Various

The room rate includes breakfast for two. Unfortunately, the breakfast buffet, which features both Chinese and Western food, closes at 10.30 AM. Way too early for a night owl like me!

English is spoken at reception.

The lifts are situated on the side of the building and offer views of Changping.

Conclusion

The rooms are excellent. The service is excellent. The Miraton Hotel is a class act and comes highly recommended if it’s within your budget.

Restaurants

Happy Together

I took quite a few girls to dinner at Happy Together, across the street from the Hui Mei Hotel. You sit in swings, which is both fun and romantic. The girls also seemed to like the little fortune telling machines (1 RMB).

They serve both Chinese and Western food and prices are reasonable.

McDonald’s

To my surprise, some Chinese girls seemed to like McDonald’s. You can find one just across the street from the Miraton Hotel.

Transport

There are metered taxis in Changping, but there are infinitely more unmarked minivans, which will take you most places in town (Yalan, Swan Lake, Xinde) for 15 RMB. Places further away (like Xin Don Tai) can set you back 25 RMB.

A cheaper alternative to get to places like Yalan on your own are the motorbike taxis, which only cost 5 RMB (7 RMB for 2 people).

ATMs

The ATM next to McDonald’s will give you 2000 RMB per transaction. The Bank of China ATM is further away, but will give you 2500 RMB at a time. You’ll find it by walking past the Hui Mei Hotel until you reach a major intersection. The Bank of China ATM is on the other side of the street.

Loso

Oldtimer43
02-10-07, 00:02
I would just like to say how much I have enjoyed reading Loso69 reports, excellent quality and detail throughout, they are a credit to him.

Superforce99
02-10-07, 05:36
Hey Loso,

Great reports and brings back some memories of CP...and especially adding all your stylized pics, your reports have become like crack for the ISG members! You better keep posting more pics (and I know you have 100s per gal, ha ha...) or a lot of members will start showing withdrawl symptoms!

And for those of you who have never met Loso, his collection of pictures is...astounding. I mean, he has fucked a lot of WGs and he has taken A LOT of pics. Wait, I mean he has taken a FUCKING LOT of pics. You could browse for hours and you couldn't go through them all.

Loso, on a side note, my assistant mamasan freebie (Xiao Qing) situation went from "OK-I-guess" to "what the fuck am I doing?!" in about 3 weeks. It was difficult as shit to really get it through her head that I didn't want to see her again...too much of a nice guy. But anyway, thanks for visiting her BBS, fucking her girls, and playing jokes on her. She actually left CP and is working in a clothing shop in Foshan now. She even dropped by ZH for a "surprise" one-day visit recently but I had to counter with a "suprise" no answering of her phone calls that day.


J

Prince Darkness
02-10-07, 06:43
Hello Everyone:

First, I would like to thank International Sex Guide. What a wonderful forum. I plan my trips based on it(thailand and china)

I have been starting making Dongguan my destination, but I want to ask how do you guys logged into this website while you are in China? I tried to log on from a hotel in shenzhen, It doesnt allow me to log in.

When I was in Changping, I stayed in Lucky Hotel. I guess you can choose between Lion, Lucky or Hui Mei. The only think I didnt like about lucky is that it seems the evelator is on the 3rd floor, and you have to take the escalator up.

As for Hui Mai, I think the main entrance and lobby is to open, and the counter was right there. Anybody ever had problem with Hui Mei?

I feel bad that I did not get online to see who is here in Changping when I was here. I was in the Internet Cafe between huimei and lucky.. I did this solo but I think its definitley more fun with a group.

One note: When I was living in lucky, you have like 10 mamasan waiting outside. So if you are a man walking alone, everyone gathers upon you. Fun for the first few times, but I am always scared consider its on a very popular street.

I am also surprised there is so little post on Houjie. My friend in shenzhen told me this place. I think if you want sauna, Houjie it is. BBS, goto changping

As for travelling to Changping. I think bus is more efficient, the bus stop is like 2 blocks away from lion, lucky hotel.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Old Mean Dog
02-11-07, 02:02
Hello Everyone:

First, I would like to thank International Sex Guide. What a wonderful forum. I plan my trips based on it(thailand and china)

I have been starting making Dongguan my destination, but I want to ask how do you guys logged into this website while you are in China? I tried to log on from a hotel in shenzhen, It doesnt allow me to log in.

When I was in Changping, I stayed in Lucky Hotel. I guess you can choose between Lion, Lucky or Hui Mei. The only think I didnt like about lucky is that it seems the evelator is on the 3rd floor, and you have to take the escalator up.

As for Hui Mai, I think the main entrance and lobby is to open, and the counter was right there. Anybody ever had problem with Hui Mei?

I feel bad that I did not get online to see who is here in Changping when I was here. I was in the Internet Cafe between huimei and lucky.. I did this solo but I think its definitley more fun with a group.

One note: When I was living in lucky, you have like 10 mamasan waiting outside. So if you are a man walking alone, everyone gathers upon you. Fun for the first few times, but I am always scared consider its on a very popular street.

I am also surprised there is so little post on Houjie. My friend in shenzhen told me this place. I think if you want sauna, Houjie it is. BBS, goto changping

As for travelling to Changping. I think bus is more efficient, the bus stop is like 2 blocks away from lion, lucky hotel.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Just a few comments about your post:

1. There are many more hotels to choose from than just these 3 (Miraton, Virgin, Yalin, etc.) I prefer the Lucky Hotel, so most of my reports will be written from this place. The escalator does not seems such a concern, if your worried about a "Walk of Shame" so to speak, this would actually provide you a cover because who knows if your going into the hotel or the restaurants situated on the 2 floor as well?

2. No problems from my friends who stayed at the Hui Mei, actually no problems reported at ANY of the hotels.....if you are shy about you're hobby or feel the staff is watching you, then maybe places like the Miraton should be avoided due to the long walk.

3. Yes, some places including the Internet Cafe do use IP blocks to certain websites, like ISG. I tried to access it from the Internet Cafe as well and was forbidden.

4. For me, I like having a wingman because I am a big, white laowai who does not speak much Chinese. If you are Asian you should not have as many problems.

5. One of the MAIN reasons guys go to CP is to have sex, so of course there is mommies outside the hotel, the hotel does not prevent WG's from going into the hotels and the cities economy does quite well off the sex trade. Every hotel I have seen in CP has at least one mommy lurking around it.

Though it is hard to believe, some guys have never heard of ISG so, they don't know the secrets and hot spots everyone reports on. They rely on the mommies to escort them into the stables and show them the girls.

If you think the mommies at the Lucky Hotel are bad, try staying at the Yalin Hotel, now that's fun. I have actually become friends with several of the mommies (even shagged 2 of them) now, I am treated as a VIP, be nice to them and they will be nice to you......

6. I agree about the bus, after the train problems in SZ started about a month ago, I took the bus and now prefer it over the train.

I often go to CP so if you ever want to meet up for coffee or go looking around, send me a PM.

-SZE

Loso69
02-11-07, 05:05
Disclaimer

This report was written by, and from the perspective of a middle-aged white guy who doesn’t speak a word of Chinese. If you’re ethnic Chinese, black..., you may have completely different experiences. My report is probably only relevant for fellow laowais.

Timing

I was in Changping:

November 15 - November 22 (8 nights)
November 27 - December 1 (5 nights)

Total: 13 nights

Statistics

During my 13-day stay in Changping, I had:

ST: 18
LT: 12
Girls: 29

Those are the kind of statistics I’m looking for. Near perfection!

BBS Locations

Hui Mei BBS

From the Miraton Hotel

If you’re staying at the Miraton Hotel, turn left as you walk out of the hotel lobby. On the next corner, you’ll see the Virgin Hotel. On the opposite corner, you’ll spot the Hui Mei Hotel. As you’re walking towards the square/park in between the Virgin and Hui Mei hotels, you’re sure to be approached by the mamasans’ runners.

The runners will show you the way, but most of the BBS are situated in an alley leaning to the left on the Hui Mei side of the square. There are also BBS in the alley to the right of the main alley, in the Jia Mei Hotel and in the alley turning left in front of the Jia Mei Hotel.

You don’t need to know the exact location of the BBS – they change anyway. As long as you’re in the right area, someone will find you. And as soon as you leave one BBS, someone will be ready to take you to the next place.

Jia Mei Hotel

If you’re not staying in the area and the van driver seems baffled by the laowai pronunciation of Hui Mei, you can show him the attached business card of the Jia Mei Hotel, which is right at the heart of the Hui Mei BBS area.

Unfortunately, the attached map is only in Chinese. It was actually the same color as the business card, but since the contrast was too low after scanning it, I isolated the blue channel. The black dot with the stylized letters JM inside is the Jia Mei Hotel. The black dot with a circle around it should be the Virgin Hotel. The main BBS area is the alley leaning to the left.

Room 216 at the Jia Mei Hotel is also one of the best stocked BBS in Hui Mei. Someone is usually waiting in the hotel lobby to take prospective customers up to the room. Mamasan Xiao Qing was young, tiny and cute, and always wore a tuxedo. :) According to Johnnykon, she’s left town...

Yalan BBS

The Yalan BBS is not walking distance from the Miraton Hotel, so you’ll need a van (15 RMB) or motorcycle (5 RMB) to get there. Everybody knows where Yalan is, but if the driver fails to understand where you want to go, you can show him the Silver Star Hotel business card.

The Silver Star Hotel is opposite the Yalan Hotel and holds one of the best stocked BBS in Yalan. The alley to the left of the Silver Star Hotel features a few more houses. There are plenty more BBS in the alley behind the Yalan Hotel... the whole area is basically littered with BBS.

As at Hui Mei, the runners will try and entice you to visit their shop and if you don’t find your dream girl in one shop, it won’t be long before someone is pulling you towards the next place.

Swan Lake Hotel

The Swan Lake Hotel is just a few minutes walking from the Yalan Hotel. Their business card has been attached.

On the 2nd floor of this hotel, you’ll find about 5-6 rooms full of Chinese beauties dressed in elegant evening gowns waiting to accompany you...

Night Market

To get to the Night Market, show the driver the business card attached to a previous post and point to the Li Hua Hotel.

According to Ace Gallant, most of the girls at the Night Market are KTV rejects.

BBS Observations

Statistics

Hui Mei: 14 ST ; 3 LT ; 16 girls
Yalan: 3 ST ; 8 LT ; 11 girls
Swan Lake: 1 ST
Night Market: 1 LT

Most days, I had a ST, followed by a LT. Most of my ST girls were from Hui Mei. Most of the LT girls were from Yalan. There’s no particular reason for that, apart from the fact that Hui Mei was closer to my hotel.

Review

Yalan, where some of the BBS have 20+ girls, has the largest selection in town. Hui Mei is a close second. I couldn’t really choose between them. I generally didn’t have any problem finding suitable company in either BBS area.

I only visited the Swan Lake Hotel once. After being turned down by 2 girls, I settled for my 3rd choice. Maybe it was just a coincidence. Or maybe the fancy dresses inspire the stuck-up attitude.

I only had one girl from the Night Market as well. This area merited a return visit, but I never got round to it.

Opening Hours

Except for the Night Market, the BBS open around 3PM and close at midnight. As its name implies, the Night Market doesn’t get going before 9PM and is your best bet when you’re looking for company after midnight.

Prices

Prices are pretty standard in the Changping BBS, at 200 RMB ST and 500 RMB LT.

One place in Yalan, where the girls wear fancy dresses similar to the Swan Lake Hotel girls, is more expensive than the others (300-600 RMB).

Once again, the Night Market is the big exception, as it’s a little cheaper (150-400 RMB).

Split-Up

Ace Gallant, who’s a fountain of information on the Chinese P4P scene, recently provided information on how your money is split up.

You generally pay 100 RMB to the mamasan. That money is split up as follows:
- 50 RMB to the BBS owner.
- 40 RMB to the mamasan.
- 10 RMB to the runner, who brings you to the BBS.
* If there’s no runner involved, the runner’s cut goes to the mamasan.

The balance is paid to the girl, as she’s leaving, and is hers to keep. This means that the Changping BBS girls make 100 RMB for a ST and 400 RMB for a LT!

ST vs. LT

When you take a girl from a BBS, you don’t have to specify whether you’re taking her ST or LT. Since the LT deal is so much more lucrative, it’s in the girl’s best interests to provide good service to convince you to keep her overnight. The girls actually have to earn the LT gig!

Analyzing the system often goes a long way in explaining why some places are good and others are bad. Places where the girls have an incentive to provide good service are often the best. The system at the Changping BBS works in the punter’s favor, which explains why the girls generally provide great service. It also explains why there wasn’t a single girl who declined my invitation to spend the night, unlike in Zhuhai and Shenzhen.

Mamasans

The BBS mamasans will often stuff their business card in your hand, so you can contact them. As I don’t speak Chinese, they were no use to me, but I still have a whole collection of them. I've attached a few examples.

Disinterested?

When you visit a BBS, the mamasan will often throw girls in your lap, which may or may not be the girls you actually want to meet. Don’t be afraid to point out who you’re interested in. This can be done subtly, by trying to establish eye contact with your dream girl, which the mamasan will pick up on. You can also be more direct and describe her (if you speak the language or are accompanied by someone who does) or even point her out.

As you’re surveying the talent, you might think that many of the girls look disinterested. At first, I thought that was because I was a laowai, until I noticed similar behavior towards Chinese customers.

Don’t be deceived by appearances. Some girls that seemed totally disinterested were suddenly all smiles once they found out they were the chosen one. Maybe they were just shy. Maybe it was fear of rejection. But the fact that a girl seems reserved should not discourage you from picking her. If she doesn’t give you the right vibes while she’s sitting with you, you may want to consider picking a different girl, though.

Rejection

While I had to deal with plenty of rejection in Zhuhai and especially in Shenzhen, there were hardly any cases where a girl refused to go with me in Changping. I can only recall 2 girls from the Swan Lake Hotel and 1 from Yalan.

Considering I’m a laowai – generally not the most popular customers – that’s an amazing statistic!

Fun Factor

They don’t serve drinks at the BBS. There don’t play music either. You may think that the BBS are boring places, where you wanna pick up a girl and get out ASAP.

Actually, BBS trolling in Changping can be a lot of fun. The mamasans will often whip out the girls’ tits, to show you their pink nipples. :) When a girl sits down with you, she’ll try her best to make sure you won’t leave without her. When you’re accompanied by 2 girls, they will pin you down and you’ll actually have to wrestle your way out. :)

My Place or Yours?

As far as I know, none of the Changping BBS have attached rooms, unlike in Shenzhen. The Changping girls always come to your room, which is exactly the way I like it.

Service

Being a laowai drowned in a sea of Chinese, I feared the service would be like in other places mainly frequented by locals (no kissing, starfish, no GFE). But the China Dolls turned out to be malleable and adaptable. Treat them like your girlfriend (not like a fuck thing) and they will respond in kind. The majority of the girls (eventually) allowed French kissing and the service level was way higher than I expected. Some girls were downright amazing in bed!

My fear that the girls would be inclined to do a runner on a laowai also turned out to be unfounded. The few girls who made halfhearted attempts to leave early were easily persuaded to stay. The girls generally didn’t shy away from the early afternoon fuck either.

The GFE factor was generally higher with the LT girls than with the ST girls. That probably goes for most mongering destinations. The girls with previous laowai experience were definitely more in tune with a laowai’s needs and expectations. But even the girls without previous experience often showed a healthy curiosity and willingness to experiment.

Many girls clearly weren’t used to having their pussy eaten. Most got wet as can be. While we were fucking, some girls simply hurt. Others were clearly pursuing their own pleasure. Nothing makes me hornier than that!

Almost all the girls gave BBBJs. Chinese mongers may not enjoy the same success rate. They speculated that, considering the size of my dick, the girls would rather suck it than fuck it. Being a laowai in China can have its advantages! :)

KTV

The System

For those of you that are totally clueless about Chinese KTVs, here’s a little primer.

Most of the more upscale KTVs in Changping are 2-5-8. What do these numbers mean?

- The first figure is the sitting fee (200 RMB).
- The second figure is the ST price (500 RMB).
- The third figure is the LT price (800 RMB).

The Flaw

If you invite a girl to sit with you, you’re entitled to a 15 minute grace period, which gives you the chance to get to know the girl and send her back without being out of pocket. If the girl keeps you company for longer than 15 minutes, she’s earned the sitting fee.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: The only way in which a hoe should be able to make money is by spreading her legs!

The sitting fee for a KTV girl will cost you as much as a ST with a BBS girl!

The Total Cost

KTV girls don’t come cheap, and there are plenty of additional expenses to consider. The KTV rooms always have a minimum charge, which is usually pretty steep. There’s the tip for the DJ...

The KTV experience will cost you a bundle. If you book a BBS girl for the night, take her out to dinner at an upscale restaurant and then take her to a club, you’ll spend less money, have more fun and...you’re assured of getting laid!

The Statement

While doing my pre-trip research, I took note of this statement by Moody:

KTV is more about hanging out with buds and getting drunk than getting laid. You almost have to consider the getting laid part as a side dish rather than the main course.

I cannot reconcile myself with that statement, as getting laid is what the game is all about for me. Unless I get into the end zone, I’ve simply wasted my money.

The Singing

There’s a reason why there are very few karaoke joints in Western countries. Most laowais hate karaoke. Listening to amateurs murder the English classics would be bad enough, but having to suffer Chinese music is pure agony.

The KTV Girls

I would estimate that there are about 500 BBS girls in Changping. The Prince KTV alone has about 200 girls. The Jia Yi KTV is reputed to have even more girls. As God only knows home many KTV joints there are in Changping, there must be thousands of KTV girls!

The KTV girls are definitely more expensive, but are they also better looking? I saw around 200 girls at the Prince KTV and wouldn’t say that the overall quality was any higher than at Yalan. The elegant dresses are probably designed to make the girls look more sophisticated. Mutton dressed as lamb, if you ask me.

The Option

In my opinion, KTV is not for laowais. This laowai definitely has no interest in them... unless they function like BBS. Apparently, some of the cheaper KTVs (1-3-5, 1-3-6) are open in the afternoon and the girls can be taken out for a ST without having to suffer the ordeal of karaoke.

Unfortunately, I wouldn’t know where to find these places...

The Conclusion

Unlike you really enjoy the whole KTV experience, I suggest you stay away from KTVs. If you’re just looking to get laid, stick to the BBS!

Saunas

The most famous sauna in Changping is the Virgin Spa, round the back of the Virgin Hotel, but there are plenty of others.

After my experiences in Zhuhai, it’s unlikely I’ll ever set foot in another Chinese sauna, as I simply hate the system:

- Line-ups tailored to the customer.
- Male captains.
- Playing away from home.

On top of that, the saunas in Changping are expensive (568 RMB at the Virgin Spa). And they have a strict no pictures policy, which clashes with my personal rules.

Discos

Xinde Disco

Directions

Unfortunately, I failed to obtain a business card from Xinde. But it’s pronounced similar to the girl’s name Cindy and not all that far from the Yalan area.

Minimum Charge

If you want a table at Xinde, the minimum charge is 318 RMB, which buys you 10 bottles of beer.

Xin Don Tai Disco

Directions

The business card and map have been attached.

Minimum Charge

Xin Don Tai is cheaper than Xinde, as the minimum charge for a table is only 240 RMB, and also buys you 10 beers.

But it’s further away, and a minivan from the Miraton Hotel will cost you 25 RMB, compared to 15 RMB to Xinde. And the taxis outside the disco grossly overcharge people. To the chagrin of the taxi mafia, we ended up taking a 3-wheeler! :)

General

Music

Techno and trance are the music of choice for young Chinese people. Luckily, most of the tunes had... no lyrics.

Liar’s Dice

A lot of Chinese love playing Liar’s Dice in the disco. To me, it looked as if they used Liar’s Dice as an excuse to get drunk, as if they couldn’t have a drink simply because they wanted to. Weird...

Tables

Tables in the discos have a minimum charge. If there aren’t enough of you to finish 10 bottles of beer, you can simply hang out on the dance floor.

Pick-up Spot?

A lot of BBS and KTV girls visit the discos after work. To my surprise, I caught quite a few girls checking me out. Maybe they simply weren’t used to seeing laowais. But maybe I could actually have scored in the discos...

Whenever I visited a disco, I already had company, so I couldn’t say if the girls were just looking to party or looking to get picked up...

Final Words

Ethnic Chinese mongers from all over the world swarm to Changping – the Chinese equivalent of Pattaya. Laowais are still a rare sight in town. Maybe my report can change that...

The Changping girls still need to get used to laowai customers. They need to become aware that we have different expectations. They need to learn English. If enough of us turn up, they eventually might...

I had a blast in Changping, so I’ll finish by echoing the words of my friend MongerX, who recommended I visit Southern China: “Changping fucking rocks!”

Loso

Prince Darkness
02-11-07, 05:34
Yes, I have to say thanks to loso69 post. Those are some quality pictures.

And To Szexpat:

1. Yes, have a group is definitly better. I was trying to see if to post on the message board to see who is in Dongguan. Unfortunately, none of the hotel/internet cafe allowed me to get on to the site. So if somebody could provide which hotel/internet cafe allow access to ISG, that will be awesome.

2. I am Chinese and speak Chinese but I have been in the US since childhood. When I was CP talking to Mamasan, I have a feeling they know exactly where I was from.

3. Does anybody know which area of CP have the best girl? I am saying this is because I was in Bangkok a few years back, I went to the RLD and sauna place ISG recommed but was kind of disappointed by the quality. All of these place of full of foreigner, which makes me think the thai man have better place to go.

Same story for CP. For CP, I have to go through a lot of girls/BBS to find something I really like. The street where lucky/miraton is. You see a lot of foreigner/hongkonger/Tawainess. I dont see many chinese from the CP area.

I was in Shenzhen by Panglin Hotel, and the street walkers are like supermodel. Goto a nightclub close to Panglin, I was in heaven. Does anyone know any good BBS that provide better quality girls?

Arrh, and finally, I have to bring up age old discussion Sauna or BBS/KTV.
I have mainly been sticking to Sauna. The quality of the girl is good, the service is great. Cost 278(room)+ 500/700 for girl.

As for BBS, It takes me a long time to find someone I like. I usually choose on looks. And most time service is ok. One thing guys should notice is, these lookers all have cellphone. The cellphone doesnt ring when I picking her up or walking back to the hotel. But 5 minutes in to the room, it rings, and the girl spent 30 minutes talking.

To Szexpat/everyone: I am planning a trip to Shenzhen in may, after the canton fair/golden week. Lets see if we can plan something.

PS: ISG have affected my personaly life so much, when I realized doing this is cheaper than having a girlfriend.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

MpfsLover
02-11-07, 13:12
Loso,

Wow..Excellent summary report. You really did your home work and research on this one.

I bet this research paper is the most fun than all the other school report we all have to do in our school days :-)

I am going to treat this like one of those " Lonely Planet " travel guide. This one would be the adult version. hehehe..

Any other countries you plan to do ?

Happy Mongering,

mpfslover

Min Shenzhen
02-11-07, 14:49
I'm planning on coming up to CP and staying in the Miraton (or other) for a night or two this week. Wondering if anyone will be around and can show me around a bit? I speak Chinese fairly well so would not be a drain in that department. Looking forward to meeting any of you and checking out the lovelies of CP for the first time.

Feel free to PM!

Harrison F
02-11-07, 15:18
Loso,

Wow..Excellent summary report. You really did your home work and research on this one.

I bet this research paper is the most fun than all the other school report we all have to do in our school days :-)

I am going to treat this like one of those " Lonely Planet " travel guide. This one would be the adult version. hehehe..

Any other countries you plan to do ?

Happy Mongering,

mpfsloverI also agree with you about LOSO excellent report.

Superforce99
02-11-07, 15:40
The Changping girls still need to get used to laowai customers. They need to become aware that we have different expectations. They need to learn English. If enough of us turn up, they eventually might...

LosoAre you serious? You're a nice guy and all, Loso, but this is some ignorant stuff I expect coming from someone like George Bush.

Anyway, an average non-Asian monger who learns a couple of basic Chinese phrases, treats the gals well, and drops the "I'm King Laowai" attitude will have a good time in CP with few problems.

J

Hari Hara
02-11-07, 17:48
Hello Everyone:

First, I would like to thank International Sex Guide. What a wonderful forum. I plan my trips based on it(thailand and china)

I have been starting making Dongguan my destination, but I want to ask how do you guys logged into this website while you are in China? I tried to log on from a hotel in shenzhen, It doesnt allow me to log in.

When I was in Changping, I stayed in Lucky Hotel. I guess you can choose between Lion, Lucky or Hui Mei. The only think I didnt like about lucky is that it seems the evelator is on the 3rd floor, and you have to take the escalator up.

As for Hui Mai, I think the main entrance and lobby is to open, and the counter was right there. Anybody ever had problem with Hui Mei?

I feel bad that I did not get online to see who is here in Changping when I was here. I was in the Internet Cafe between huimei and lucky.. I did this solo but I think its definitley more fun with a group.

One note: When I was living in lucky, you have like 10 mamasan waiting outside. So if you are a man walking alone, everyone gathers upon you. Fun for the first few times, but I am always scared consider its on a very popular street.

I am also surprised there is so little post on Houjie. My friend in shenzhen told me this place. I think if you want sauna, Houjie it is. BBS, goto changping

As for travelling to Changping. I think bus is more efficient, the bus stop is like 2 blocks away from lion, lucky hotel.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.From where did you get the bus to Chang Ping?

What is the best direct route from Hong Kong?

Thanks Bro,

Harihara

Basher55
02-11-07, 18:43
Losos the night market I am sure I have been.

What is the area of town called?

Were there stalls on the street where you shoot ballons?

Loso69
02-11-07, 19:04
Are you serious?? You're a nice guy and all, Loso, but this is some ignorant stuff I expect coming from someone like George Bush...

Anyway, an average non-Asian monger who learns a couple of basic Chinese phrases, treats the gals well, and drops the "I'm King Laowai" attitude will have a good time in CP with few problems.

JAre you fucking serious?

In Pattaya, a farang stronghold, there are bars and discos that cater specifically to Arabs. They play Arab music. The girls prefer Arab customers, speak some Arab and look, dress and make up the way Arabs like it.

In Hong Kong, the Wanchai bars cater specifically to gweilos. Chinese are not welcome. In Jakarta, the Blok M bars are bule-only. I could quote dozens more examples like this.

When a minority is significant enough to make entertainment options catering specifically to them economically viable, they will appear and they will be successful. Throw a bunch of laowai-lovers together, teach them some English, put them in a Wanchai-type bar and you may have a recipe for success.

It’s time you drop the “I’m King Chinese” attitude and realize that the Chinese P4P scene will not remain exclusively Chinese for long.

Loso

Bill Lee
02-11-07, 19:27
The politic of this country will prevent anything embarrassing to itself to be shown to the outside world. This will all be hidden and never be out in the open to be publicized like the places you have mentioned. The reason why it exists at all is not to cater to the foreigners but that the internal economy thrives on it.

Yes. Sometimes they are exposed in the newspapers but immediately thereafter are the crackdowns.

CP and other parts of China will never be anything like Thailand. (Not that there's anything wrong with the LOS.) It's not a Chinese thing but a political thing. Why do you think that there are crackdowns at all? You totally have forgotten that this CP thing is illegal in China.

Just an opinion,

Bill


Are you fucking serious?

In Pattaya, a farang stronghold, there are bars and discos that cater specifically to Arabs. They play Arab music. The girls prefer Arab customers, speak some Arab and look, dress and make up the way Arabs like it.

In Hong Kong, the Wanchai bars cater specifically to gweilos. Chinese are not welcome. In Jakarta, the Blok M bars are bule-only... I could quote dozens more examples like this.

When a minority is significant enough to make entertainment options catering specifically to them economically viable, they will appear and they will be successful.

It’s time you drop the “I’m King Chinese” attitude and realize that the Chinese P4P scene will not remain exclusively Chinese for long...

Loso

Loso69
02-11-07, 21:04
Bill Lee,

The Chinese P4P scene has made it to the front pages of the Taiwanese press often enough. Laowais just do it. We don’t write about it... except on monger sites.

Loso

Legal Lad
02-11-07, 23:02
Bill,

I agree with you 100 percent. In China, it is all about perception. If something makes the papers, expect a swift and immediate response. This swift action can be seen all over China, not just CP. Beijing with the olympics comming up, and Shenzhen have both been the paper as of late with huge prostitution crack downs.

I wouldn't hold my breath, waiting for CP to be like Thailand with its catering to the mongers. Believe it or not, one of the reason for the rise in towns such as SZ and Dongguan in general is due to the manufacturing base which attacts money, business, and jobs from other provinces. Many girls start off in the factors and try to do something that will make them more money.

'lad

Ace Gallant
02-11-07, 23:48
Are you fucking serious?

In Pattaya, a farang stronghold, there are bars and discos that cater specifically to Arabs. They play Arab music. The girls prefer Arab customers, speak some Arab and look, dress and make up the way Arabs like it.

In Hong Kong, the Wanchai bars cater specifically to gweilos. Chinese are not welcome. In Jakarta, the Blok M bars are bule-only. I could quote dozens more examples like this.

When a minority is significant enough to make entertainment options catering specifically to them economically viable, they will appear and they will be successful. Throw a bunch of laowai-lovers together, teach them some English, put them in a Wanchai-type bar and you may have a recipe for success.

It’s time you drop the “I’m King Chinese” attitude and realize that the Chinese P4P scene will not remain exclusively Chinese for long.

Loso

Loso,

I cannot agree with you on this. When in Rome, do what the Romans do, when in China, do what the Chinese do.

You are in China, not Thailand, Indonesia, Hong Kong or elsewhere. Every country has their similarity and every country has their unique differences.

To the girls, there are no Mr. Handsome, Mr. Nice guy, Mr. Smooth Talker; there are only one person which is every girls' dream. In any country; the only KING I know is a guy that starts with the letter “M”, no it’s not McDonalds…. It’s “Money.”

I know and fully agree with Bill, the mainly reasons of crackdowns in South China recently are due to over publicity of these areas on the Web, Magazines and Press. These are link to politics. Ask yourself this; if you are a foreigner investor; will you invest in a country where poverty is high and half the female population is in sex trade? Where will information of these come from?

Money is King!

Just my POV.
Enjoy
AG

Fast Eddie 48
02-11-07, 23:57
From where did you get the bus to Chang Ping?

What is the best direct route from Hong Kong?

Thanks Bro,

Harihara


to harihara


There are no longer direct bus to HK from CP they stop service over a yr ago, there use to be direct bus from lai hua low hotel to mongkok for 125 rmb they stop the serivce because low demand and high cost now you need to
either take the train or take the bus from lai hua low to shenzhen lo wu 37 rmb and cross the border to HK, lai hua low is only around the corner from hui mei hotel bus run every 30 min from 7.am to about 9.30pm bus also have one stop in huangjiang town at the holiday inn hotel near the crown prince .

fast eddie 48

Fast Eddie 48
02-12-07, 00:05
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]The politic of this country will prevent anything embarrassing to itself to be shown to the outside world. This will all be hidden and never be out in the open to be publicized like the places you have mentioned. The reason why it exists at all is not to cater to the foreigners but that the internal economy thrives on it.

Yes. Sometimes they are exposed in the newspapers but immediately thereafter are the crackdowns.

CP and other parts of China will never be anything like Thailand. (Not that there's anything wrong with the LOS.) It's not a Chinese thing but a political thing. Why do you think that there are crackdowns at all? You totally have forgotten that this CP thing is illegal in China.

Just an opinion,



to bill lee

Never said never I think china need to have a monger desinations like pattaya
where every thing is out in the open and massage place and strip bar everywhere , well macau is kind of open massage place everywhere and girl try to chase you down at the racetrack , the encomy in china is good right now they don't need the sex tourism like thailand .


just my IMHO

fast eddie 48

Laowai123
02-12-07, 02:51
It’s time you drop the “I’m King Chinese” attitude and realize that the Chinese P4P scene will not remain exclusively Chinese for long.Since the first step of a longnose on chinese soil the local P4P scene lost their "only for chinese" virginity, like in every country where the local income is lower, much lower than in the country of guests/tourists/biz coming to such countries.

P4P is prohibited in China but tolerated, because of King "M". It becomes target of raids when the situation escalates like last year because of the TW guys.
Especially in 2008 I expect some more actions against P4P scenes, also in DG, because the world looks at and watches China. Beijing will do everything that scenes you can see during weekends in e.g. CP will not be broadcasted. Everybody knows that it's there, but nowbody wants/should talk about it.

I really hope that there will never be an "official longnose red light destrict" or whatever. I would never go there, because of the same reason why I never look for places where foreigner usually hang-out, there is nothing "chinese" remained and King "M" rules. Asking/Requesting such "laowai areas" gives me the impression that this person does not know local rules and acting like many, too many laowai's here in China - "I have money, you are my slave now!".

Learn local languages, rules and you will become part of the local life, including the P4P scene. Now, my local contacts are leading me to places where they get what we get at Yalan/CP. I would never go there, but I honor that they show me "their" places.

Respect the local rules and keep low profile to avoid being a target of envy/hate!

LW

Superforce99
02-12-07, 03:20
Are you fucking serious?

In Pattaya, a farang stronghold, there are bars and discos that cater specifically to Arabs. They play Arab music. The girls prefer Arab customers, speak some Arab and look, dress and make up the way Arabs like it.

In Hong Kong, the Wanchai bars cater specifically to gweilos. Chinese are not welcome. In Jakarta, the Blok M bars are bule-only. I could quote dozens more examples like this.

When a minority is significant enough to make entertainment options catering specifically to them economically viable, they will appear and they will be successful. Throw a bunch of laowai-lovers together, teach them some English, put them in a Wanchai-type bar and you may have a recipe for success.

It’s time you drop the “I’m King Chinese” attitude and realize that the Chinese P4P scene will not remain exclusively Chinese for long.

Loso


Loso,

First, I'm not Chinese. I'm an American who came to China and learned Chinese (which is a foreign language to me) because
I wanted to interact socially, economically, and sexually. The attitude I have is what AG mentions, "when in Rome, do as the
Romans do". Many Chinese have the stereotype that foreigners are ignorant, self-centered, and inflexible. I don't want to
enforce this image. Isn't that why you became fluent in the Thai language?

Secondly, I'm glad there is Pattaya, Hong Kong, and other foreigner strongholds. These places serve a purpose and
many guys get pleasure from their visits to these places. Yet I feel, in general but not always, the more a P4P scene caters to
foreigners the more overpriced, hardened, and unscrupulous the girls are. I don't look forward to the day when CP transforms
into something with these qualities, but I also know that CP doesn't need (or necessarily want) foreigner mongers. But, like most
non-legal things in China, a touch of caution and respect opens all the doors...


J

Old Mean Dog
02-12-07, 05:46
Final Words

Ethnic Chinese mongers from all over the world swarm to Changping – the Chinese equivalent of Pattaya. Laowais are still a rare sight in town. Maybe my report can change that...

The Changping girls still need to get used to laowai customers. They need to become aware that we have different expectations. They need to learn English. If enough of us turn up, they eventually might...

I had a blast in Changping, so I’ll finish by echoing the words of my friend MongerX, who recommended I visit Southern China: “Changping fucking rocks!”

Loso


Great idea, since I'm in CP almost every weekend now, I was considering tutoring the girls in English in return for sex!

Actually, I also disagree with you, your in China and your talking about prostitutes, how about you learn their language? Laowai123 told me how he looks at things here; "If they want to buy from you then they should learn English, but if your buying from them, you need to learn Putonghua" and I totally agree with him 100%

Happy Mongering,
-SZE

Csun213
02-12-07, 06:20
Do you guys remember a place in Haikou called Red Lake. It was just like Thailand with over 5000 girls in one place. Haikou used to be heaven for men. The only people that knew about it were the Chinese Mainlanders, Hong Kong guys and Taiwanese. Then a few Americans found out and had a great time there. It was an open secret. Just talk to any Chinese guys about Haikou and you will get the wink, wink, have fun look.

To make a long story short, the great American 60 minutes found out about it and brought a hidden video camera to record Red Lake. Then they did a report about how there were over 5000 girls at this site and you can have great sex with beautiful young girls. After they aired the information, Red Lake was shut down totally. All girls found working there would be arrested and sent to jail without any bail. In Fact, Red Lake was shut down forever.

Then there were rumors that the Chinese Government was going to shut down Hainan Island totally to which we all laughed at because it has been a sex site for so long and a lot of business need the tourists. Well, a couple of years goes by and now look at Hainan Island. You can still find some girls in Haikou however they now have less girls than CP, Shenzhen or any of the large city.

Chinese government have always known about the sex trade in Hainan Island but left it alone because it is a small island and away from the mainland. However when it was exposed to the world, the government stepped in and shut it down completely. It will never come back.

It just to show you what the government can do when they really want to crackdown on it. These places only exist because the government allows it to, yearly crackdown is only for show and not really serious.

Look at Beijing, they have removed all the beggers to get ready for 2008.

Chinese people will never think like the rest of us. They would really cut off their nose to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) of their face if it comes to that.

Laowai123
02-12-07, 06:43
Laowai123 told me how he looks at things here; "If they want to buy from you then they should learn English, but if your buying from them, you need to learn Putonghua" and I totally agree with him 100%This is based on following phrase from Willy Brandt (former Chancellor of Germany):

"If I sell to you I speak English, If I buy from, dann haben Sie Deutsch zu sprechen!"

This means in English and in generally:

If I sell to you, I speak your language. If I buy from you, then you have to speak my language.

The famous "Don't lose your face!" only applies when you want to sell, based on my experiences. I am only buyer here in China and lost a lot of money during the first time doing biz here. Forget this "Don't lose your face!" when the chinese want your money.

"You want my money, you play my game!".

Of course this has to and should be by respecting each other! But when I realize that my chinese biz partner starts their "win-lose"-game and he wants to win, then he gets to know me. Since I am doing biz based on this phrase, I never have any problems.

Back to topic:

The problem which a laowai maybe faces when he mongers in China (and maybe other countries) is, that he is target number one for cheating. Unfortunately we bring their excuse for bad service with us - our "big, big, big xiao didis". I hear this most times and I am tired of this kind of cheat. No or less service means no or less payment, told the gal in front of mama before leaving with her!

LW

Bill Lee
02-12-07, 14:42
Take a local transportation, bus or train to HK airport. Grab the E&E (Eternal East Bus) coach bus to Changping at the AO8 kiosk. Their buses are green in color and maybe their booth too. It's 200HK one way or 360 roundtrip.

The bus starts at 10:00 a.m. and runs every 30 minutes until 7:30 p.m.

They stop at La SHin Holiday Resortel, Virgin Hotel, Miraton, all in Changping. The first stop is Goodview Hotel in Tangxia. According to E&E's schedule, they go through the Huang Gang Port border crossing.

It's not the best route but it's gets you in front of the Miranton and all the other hotels like the Virgin, Lucky, Hui Mei and Jia Mei hotel are only a 10 minute walk away. If you get off at the Virgin hotel, then your walk to Lucky, Hui Mei and Jia Mei hotel are only 5 minutes away.

If anybody wants E&E's brochure (English and Chinese), I'll scan it and e-mail it to you or post it on the board.

Bill


From where did you get the bus to Chang Ping?

What is the best direct route from Hong Kong?

Thanks Bro,

Harihara

Old Mean Dog
02-12-07, 16:55
Met up with McFly XXX from Hong Kong and my wingman Mr. J on Sunday and rolled out to CP to give McFly XXX the short but sweet tour. I was only in town for one night so was a bit pressed for time. I think McFly XXX really enjoyed himself as he took an afternoon pop from the stables behind the Hui Mei and later in the evening from Jo-Jo's shop over at the Yalin.

I stuck with my two regular girls since I know the service is excellent and since one is a mommy and the other is aspiring to be, it just makes good business sense to make them happy.

I did ask a lot of the mommies and the girls and most all of them said they were staying in CP during the Spring Festival which is good for us mongers.

The Shop behind the Yalin Restaurant that was on the 5th floor of the KTV has been moved within the KTV area now (only saw half a dozen girls) and also over to the #1 shop again (2 stables there). My wingman reported what could be a newer shop behind the Yalin Hotel, a little further down the alley and reported that the mommy said all the girls were new.

There is also another shop across the street from the Hui Mei Hotel, kind of next to the 7-11 in what poses as a medical massage joint but upstairs they have 4-5 girls inside.

I am trying to head back out on the 18th if anyone wants to hook up

-SZE

Laowai123
02-12-07, 17:50
Just came back from CP to take care of AG and Wadman ;). I hope you both enjoy your night-meal :D.

For your information:

C-NY (Chinese New Year) means higher prices for girls (250/600) and hotel (sorry forgot to ask details about this, but chinese public holidays are times where you have to pay the published rate without discounts at many hotels).
So, be prepared to pay more for your stay in CP during C-NY.

Miraton staff told me that during canton fair the rate will be increased by CNY30.

@ Szexpat

May I point to, that Yalin should be Yalan. Just to avoid misunderstandings.

LW

Badboy27
02-12-07, 18:03
To make a long story short, the great American 60 minutes found out about it and brought a hidden video camera to record Red Lake.60 Minutes and several other like them will keep looking for new stories. They have shut down everything in the US. So now all American men are leaving for other **** rees. 60 minutes seems to be following them. LOL.

OldAsiaHand
02-12-07, 19:19
Like they used to say about Ma Bell in the old days, "We don't care, we don't have to". There are enough ethnic Chinese punters in CP to support the trade so it is not necessary to learn any English. Foreigners are still a very small contingency of CP mongers.

I agree with the consensus here. CP may have the best mongering in South China, but it will never be Pattaya, and never be as laowai friendly. South China is looking for investment, Thailand is looking for tourism. The Thailand government just looks the other way in exchange for the tourism revenue. The Chinese government is looking for investment to increase employment and export revenue. Two completely different objectives.

Just my POV.

OAH

Prince Darkness
02-13-07, 05:19
to harihara

There are no longer direct bus to HK from CP they stop service over a yr ago, there use to be direct bus from lai hua low hotel to mongkok for 125 rmb they stop the serivce because low demand and high cost now you need to either take the train or take the bus from lai hua low to shenzhen lo wu 37 rmb and cross the border to HK, lai hua low is only around the corner from hui mei hotel bus run every 30 min from 7.am to about 9.30pm bus also have one stop in huangjiang town at the holiday inn hotel near the crown prince .

fast eddie 48In Shenzhen: Just go to the train station.. The bus station is on the lower floor of the building. If I remember correctly, the bus to CP actually stopped twice, one close to Crown Prince, the last stop, close to lucky hotel. I just kind of follow the people on the bus. After you arrive on CP, make a right on the big street, if you walk for 10 minutes, you should see Lion's Hotel.

From Hong Kong: I think their is still service from the HK airport to CP and houjie. If you are in hong kong, just take the train in Kowloong to China border.. After you cross the border, you will be at the train/bus station.

As for busses running from CP to HK airport: It start sometime at 7am. But my flight back was 9am. I came back to shenzhen the night before. From shenzhen to HK airport at 7 am, it was a 40 minute. The cool part is when I was crossing the HK border, I didnt even have to get out of the bus. The driver took the passport, gave it to custom, 5 minutes, and we are on our way.

Fast Eddie 48
02-14-07, 05:07
[QUOTE=Prince Darkness]In Shenzhen: Just go to the train station.. The bus station is on the lower floor of the building. If I remember correctly, the bus to CP actually stopped twice, one close to Crown Prince, the last stop, close to lucky hotel. I just kind of follow the people on the bus. After you arrive on CP, make a right on the big street, if you walk for 10 minutes, you should see Lion's Hotel.








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It is the same bus company that go to Lai hua low hotel in cp ,they use to have 3 route shenzhen lo wu border huang gang border and direct to Hk Mongkok area they stop mongkok service already , I have never use the HKIA bus to CP before I heard it take over 3 hr many stop and only a few bus each
day and is expensive.




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