2008 South China - Dongguan

[Moody]

You know it's too cold when:

1. The girl in the see through outfit with bra and thong has to go change into street clothes (wtf that is why I chose her after Dan threw her back).

You can tell the girl to not change back. Changing out of the uniform is at the customer's discretion. Just tell her, "bu xing, wo yao ni chuan gongyi."


2. I was worried about my nipples showing

3. I had to unfreeze my beers between the girls legs.

Probably why she wanted to change out of her uniform and into some insulating jeans.


Really it should be hot to encourage them to get naked. Does that every happen in DG KTV's or is that relegated to old shenzhen times? Can't find any posts on it.

They have some, but it's not as exciting as you might think it is. At the places that allow it, the girls tend to be..... let's just say plainer.


Do any of the KTVs in DG have a common 'bar' area where if you don't have a room you can find a couple of cuties and have fun?


Pretty much all of them do.

[Moody]

Anyway, IMHO, it's a bad time to go mongering in China just before and during CNY. It's because of less girls, more LE, colder weather, higher transportion cost and hotel cost. Oh, I almost forgot, a big red envelope especially if you are married. Most other members would agree it's not a good time to go.


I don't think it's as bad as it's made out to be. Sure there are fewer girls, but there are also fewer guys. If you make it out somewhere, you get the run of the joint. I was at KTV on Tuesday, and it was empty. I think the place had 2 customers and they have 80 some rooms. We pretty much saw every single girl they had, they were down to about 100 from the normal 400. Thing is though, how often do you really see all the girls at a KTV? Not often unless you go to one of the meat market KTVs. On Tuesday, there were at least a few dozen perfectly acceptable girls at the place I went to and since we had the run of the place, we pretty much saw them all. Sometimes, KTV is better when it's less crowded and you have less competition from other customers. I've noticed this is the way it is every time I've been in China around CNY time.

As for the red envelope thing, you don't have to give them out. However, once you give one out, expect to give out a lot more. I typically carry a handful of them with 10RMB notes in them, no one expects more. You can also play games with them. Like the 789 game, whoever hits the Aces gets the envelope. I know it sounds stupid, but it's actually quite fun when you're drunk. They get all excited when they get it. Sometimes I carry a bunch of envelopes with 1RMB notes in them, and one with a 100RMB note in it and I let them pick the one they want. I actually do this quite often now because it's a pain in the ass getting enough new looking 10RMB notes. The girls who get the 1RMB notes don't really feel bad, but whoever gets the 100RMB note feels like they won the lottery. LOL

[Bill Lee]

Especially that fricking Santa, who's now getting his jollies in the sun.

Santa said, "I remember it wasn't bad last year." Yeah. Right.

But the main reason I stayed was to hand out the red envelopes to all the mommies who came running up to me, expecting something (and got nothing but my grumpy well wishes).

Nobody had ever mentioned a price increase. Was this the first time?

I also enjoyed the several parties I was invited to by the non-mongering communities in CP.

In the 85+ days here, I managed to squirreled several telephone numbers of working girls who can still get the 200RMB price without me shelling out the extra 100RMB. I do not plan on paying the 300RMB and you know how stubborn this mother fucker is. I would boycott the fucking KFC if they raise their fricking chicken prices too.

So it not so bad. Bill has his cellphone with telephone numbers and photos of working gals.

Beside, I'm here for a couple more days before heading home.

Later,
Bill



Bill,

...and you didn't listen.

Just my POV.

OAH

[Weelock]

I don't think it's as bad as it's made out to be. Sure there are fewer girls, but there are also fewer guys.

Yes, I agree it's less crowded. CPExpat said it was OK last year in CP. Then Zhuhai seems fine by "Johnnyk" and "Fast Eddie". Yes, there are still girls to play with.

Overall, it's not the same mongering in China around CNY. Two or three years ago, same KTV and saunas were closed during Dec/Jan in CP. I don't stay during nor come around during this time. It seems like this year is real bad and then you add the colder weather than normal. Shenzhen got hit hard too, with LE. From some posts, if you were to add up all the girls in the 5-6 Yanlan BBS shops, there are ONLY 20-30 girls. CNY is like X-Mas, New Year's and Thanksgiving in four weeks. On the hand, others Chinese holidays are NOT the same, girls come down to work during these periods.


Reason NOT to mongering in China before and during CNY:

1. Less girls, because most go home. I would estimate 70%, about 2/3
2. More LE. Crackdowns just before holidays are normal like for CNY. I don't think anyone wants to be stuck in a BBS RAID.
3. Colder weather, you can't see what you are buying under that heavy coat.
3. Higher Transporation cost. Buses and trains charge more during holidays. I don't want to fight 500K or 1 million people at the train or bus station.

4. Most hotels charge more during holidays, and conventions.
5. Some businesses are closed like banks. A know a few people that are off 3-5 days.

6. I was just joking about the red envelopes, "SE Asian Joe", said something about envelopes

For the rest of the year, I would predict there will be more LE just before the Summer Olympics. In Beijing more LE and prices going way up.

Bill go home. Has Santa gone back to the North Pole yet?

HAPPY NEW YEAR, YEAR OF THE RAT.

[Weelock]

Came back home this morning from a month of traveling around south China where, fortunately, I missed all the snow and train problems (600, 000 people at the GZ train station? No thanks! ).

It was great meeting some of you ISG south China guys: OAH, Weelock, Santa, Race Track, Bill Lee, Pleasure Dude, Manfest. And a few others I can’t remember the names of (as Race Track mentioned in his post on 1-22). Thank you for your guidance, advice on hotels and the "memorable" trip through The Catacombs (where I was nearly kidnapped by three girls (thanks for rescuing me, guys) and where we saw a harrowing fight chase out of a Sam Peckinpah movie). The BBS’s and Night Market were really cool. I hope to make it back there for an unofficial ISG convention someday.

If you’re ever up Harbin way, let me know. Take it easy, and be safe.


Catacombs late report from Dec 2007 or early Jan 2008

Went with about 7-8 other mongers to the catacombs. Saw about 20 girls. Wow, the quality of the girls is better than I went before, two years ago. There should be even more girls in the evening because we went during the middle of afternoon.

When “Bob Sacamano” was dragged, kidnapped, into the girl’s room, they picked the best looking guy in our group. Out of 7 or 8 of us, three different times they picked you. We were all willing to chip in the cost of 30-40RMB for you to get laid. :)

For the catacombs, "fight chase", we saw a guy bleeding badly from his face. He had a brick in his hand chasing another guy. Both of them ran right by me. Another monger said, we shouldn’t stick around and so we left. No police or Boa An to help.

[Fast Eddie 48]

All right now.

They raise the fucking rate 100Rmb more at all the shops for the next six days. That's 300RMB for what used to be 200 short time at R2, Baby's, Jojo's, Banyun tree, new #1 shop, second floor Yalan and Silver Lake. 600RMB for LT.

It's a fucking conspiracy. The moms still want 100RMB upfront but can't tell whether the full 100 extra is for the gals alone.

Coco at Huimei raised her normal 150 to 200 for ST and will stay the same at 500 for LT. That's for the next five days.

The mommies claims it's for the CNY. Maybe to get the gals to work on a holiday is the incentive?

Next time, skipping CNY all together in CP.

BillBill lee,

I didn't remember they raise the price last CNY maybe because of the crack down and all the buisness they lose they raise the price for good, there are bbs actions at near by town like Hengli and Dalang cost for st start at 100 rmb I heard many hong konger are going there now girl are younger there and service is not as good as CP.

After 85 days in CP I suprise your dick have not fall off yet, I think you should just leave NYC and move to CP you like it there too much .

Fast eddie 48

[Bob Sacamano]

When “Bob Sacamano” was dragged, kidnapped, into the girl’s room, they picked the best looking guy in our group. Out of 7 or 8 of us, three times they picked you. We were all willing to chip in the cost of 30-40RMB for you to get laid. :)"Best looking"? I’m as ugly as a mud fence. The reason the girls grabbed me was because I weigh less than them. They could push me around like a CNY paper cutting. Now I regret not taking you guys up on your offer.

When we all went to a BBS, I sat down next to one of the girls as the others were looking over the talent. She looked at OAH and told me, "I hope he doesn’t pick me. I’m afraid: big nose, big hands, big stomach means he has a big didi."

[FL Wingman]

Feb 16 and 17th anyone want to get together?

I am trying to stay at miraton, but need the phone number?

Wingman

[Pleasure Dude]

It was nice meeting you too and I still remember all those girls chasing and grabbing you at the catacombs. Come on, admit it. You wanted to go in. I am planning to head back to CP early March and hopefully all the girls will be back from CNY. I am planning to stay there at least one week to see what else is available and hope to see some of ISG members again.

PD


Came back home this morning from a month of traveling around south China where, fortunately, I missed all the snow and train problems (600, 000 people at the GZ train station? No thanks! ).

It was great meeting some of you ISG south China guys: OAH, Weelock, Santa, Race Track, Bill Lee, Pleasure Dude, Manfest. And a few others I can’t remember the names of (as Race Track mentioned in his post on 1-22). Thank you for your guidance, advice on hotels and the "memorable" trip through The Catacombs (where I was nearly kidnapped by three girls (thanks for rescuing me, guys) and where we saw a harrowing fight chase out of a Sam Peckinpah movie). The BBS’s and Night Market were really cool. I hope to make it back there for an unofficial ISG convention someday.

If you’re ever up Harbin way, let me know. Take it easy, and be safe.

[Pleasure Dude]

on the topic of big everything, Do you guys still remember that tiny WG OAH picked up on the 2nd floor? She was totally scared when OAH selected her. I can still remember her expression while on the way back to the hotel.

PD



When we all went to a BBS, I sat down next to one of the girls as the others were looking over the talent. She looked at OAH and told me, "I hope he doesn’t pick me. I’m afraid: big nose, big hands, big stomach means he has a big didi."

[Beijing ABC]

To All: Picked up one girl near the Hui Meil alley and the mommie asked for 200rmb. Bargained down to 150 rmb and took one 20 yo gal from Hunan. She spent almost three hours with me and I gave her 200 rmb because she was not rushing, service was good and more important it is CNY. Told the mommie I have her 150 rmb. The girl was happy because she gets to keep only 100 rmb regardless what the customers give her. She appreciated what I did.

Guys, be nice and reasonaly generous to the gals and they will return favor to you.


on the topic of big everything, Do you guys still remember that tiny WG OAH picked up on the 2nd floor? She was totally scared when OAH selected her. I can still remember her expression while on the way back to the hotel.

PD

[Bill Lee]

Your number doesn't work. You're short one digit. Why don't you pm me with number? You're not suppose to post telephone numbers.

Bill



Bill, mind share your 200 RMB takeout phone numbers and photos of working girls you considered 7+ quality? Send to 1590773466.

I went to Hua Mei last night and stayed over. Selection was poor at 1130. Picked a Hubei girl Yang Yang but nothing special. Place was slow and most sauna girls went home.

Thanks ahead of time.

[Dan Hawaii]

You can also play games with them. Like the 789 game, whoever hits the Aces gets the envelope. I know it sounds stupid, but it's actually quite fun when you're drunk. They get all excited when they get it.
Hey KTV King,
sounds like a cheap way to get the party started and get all the girls drunk. I gotta try it next time. I'll bring red envelopes even though it's not even close to CNY.

Or is that a bad custom thing to do?

Any other games to get the ktv girls excited?

[Playboy2000]

Hey,

Happy Lunar New Year to all of you!

Bob, It was good meeting you. Yes, that was an interesting experience in the Catacomb...some good laughs and some scares...hot and sour soup!

I expect to return in June for my third trip; but I will be checking in here from time to time.

May the new year bring you all the best of luck!

Race




Came back home this morning from a month of traveling around south China where, fortunately, I missed all the snow and train problems (600, 000 people at the GZ train station? No thanks! ).

It was great meeting some of you ISG south China guys: OAH, Weelock, Santa, Race Track, Bill Lee, Pleasure Dude, Manfest. And a few others I can’t remember the names of (as Race Track mentioned in his post on 1-22). Thank you for your guidance, advice on hotels and the "memorable" trip through The Catacombs (where I was nearly kidnapped by three girls (thanks for rescuing me, guys) and where we saw a harrowing fight chase out of a Sam Peckinpah movie). The BBS’s and Night Market were really cool. I hope to make it back there for an unofficial ISG convention someday.

If you’re ever up Harbin way, let me know. Take it easy, and be safe.

[LA Dude]

Going to CP in a month.

What is best place to get BBBJ aside from sauna?

[OldAsiaHand]

When we all went to a BBS, I sat down next to one of the girls as the others were looking over the talent. She looked at OAH and told me, "I hope he doesn’t pick me. I’m afraid: big nose, big hands, big stomach means he has a big didi."

Bob Sacamano:

I wish it was true. Looks can be deceiving. Unfortunately, I have not been blessed with "John Holmes" credentials. That said, I am often asked to "show the merchandise" before BBS girls will agree to do me. Especially in shops that I visit for the first time. However, "good news", or "bad news" depending on your perspective, travels fast. Once one girl in a BBS goes for it and finds out the "real" truth, they all want to be next.

Just my POV.

OAH

P.S. Hope to see you down this way again soon!

[OldAsiaHand]

on the topic of big everything, Do you guys still remember that tiny WG OAH picked up on the 2nd floor? She was totally scared when OAH selected her. I can still remember her expression while on the way back to the hotel.

PD

PD,

Sometimes I am in the mood for that sweet, fresh, innocent, petite look. It usually comes back to bite me in the ass. This case was no exception.

As it turned out, she was not as fresh and innocent as I had thought. She had been working in CP about 6 months and who knows what she had been doing back home.

That said, she was one of these WG that should have never entered the profession. Although she did try a bit, her performance was terrible. She just did not have any desire to please in her blood. The BJ was a feeble attempt and the FS was like a dead fish.

Some WG do pretend to be scared and inexperienced because some mongers like this type or they believe the punter will be less demanding of them. This may have been the case with this girl. I would be interested to hear about others experiences with her.

Anyway, I should have never selected her in the first place. I'll never learn.

OAH

[Logos]

PD,
Anyway, I should have never selected her in the first place. I'll never learn.
OAH

Sheeet, what hope does that leave us all relative newbies if a genuine war veteran can be tricked by the first sweet-looking girl he sees ?

Basically, if she's not in the mood when she first sees you... little chance it'll improve in the bedroom.

[Bob Sacamano]

I wish it was true. Looks can be deceiving. Unfortunately, I have not been blessed with "John Holmes" credentials. That said, I am often asked to "show the merchandise" before BBS girls will agree to do me. Especially in shops that I visit for the first time. However, "good news", or "bad news" depending on your perspective, travels fast. Once one girl in a BBS goes for it and finds out the "real" truth, they all want to be next.

Just my POV.

OAH

P.S. Hope to see you down this way again soon!Oah, Race Track, Weelock and the others,

It was nice meeting you all too, a very memorable day/night. It was only the second time I’ve met anyone from the forum but the first time with a group. We should have more of these unofficial ISG conventions. It’s more fun in groups (getting info on the local scene, getting advice from seasoned mongering veterans, hearing the stories) in such a good mongering place as CP, and meeting the guys behind the screen names. I highly recommend it to anybody. Don’t know when I’ll be heading that way again but I’ll definitely try.

Yeah, sometimes those sweet, fresh, innocent, petite ones can be a disappointment. They can be too ticklish and silly, which makes it hard for them (and you) to enjoy.

I remember John Holmes, aka Johnny Wadd, too. A friend told me he once said he used to bang his neighbor’s wife in high school. He said, "Hell, my dick was bigger than her old man’s. "

You’ve had to "whip it out" on occasion in the BBS? I guess if the mommies can pull down the girls’ tops to show us their "merchandise" it’s only fair for them to see what they’re getting into too. And no doubt the girls exchange stories after the deed too.

Weelock, thanks for all the advice. We all have to remember to be safe at all times.

Race Track, good luck with your Chinese lessons. I hope you find a suitable language exchange partner. Just be sure to learn which words are used only with WG’s and not with the "lao bai xing" (common people).

Happy Lunar New Year to all ISG brothers everywhere!

[Beijing ABC]

Logos,

You are dead on with young and cute looks. They are not good performers.

I picked up one very cute face and 18 yo. this evening and she was like dead fish and just won't move under any circumstances. Paid 200 rmb and ran her ass off. She gave me excuse that her brother was busted by the police for gambling.

Got a second 18 yo that are more personable and workable and had much better time.

Lessons learned:

1. Never trust the mommies and do not pay for services until they are performed at the end and that you are satisified. For quckie, mommie gets 100 rmb off the top and the girl gets 100 rmb for a 200 rmb deal. The girl tells me she gets 100 rmb regardless. Not sure if she is lying. Thats why I always gave them 30-50 rmb for tips if I enjoyed their services.

2. Be nice to these girls. Appreciate them and they will treat you well. Remember, they are trying to make a decent living. A little kindness goes a long way.
I always heard that LT means 3 hours during CNY. Thats seems lots of bulls. Can someone verify this?

Enjoyed my quick trip in CP during CNY. Need to get away to rest me dick.

Bill Lee will catchup with you next time.

Last but not lest to ya all, be safe and enjoy.


Sheeet, what hope does that leave us all relative newbies if a genuine war veteran can be tricked by the first sweet-looking girl he sees ?

Basically, if she's not in the mood when she first sees you... little chance it'll improve in the bedroom.

[Moody]

Any other games to get the ktv girls excited?

They're KTV girls. Anything that involves money gets them excited.... For instance, play the liar dice game, if she beats you, you give her 100RMB, if she loses, she takes off her panties for the night....

[Moody]

1. Never trust the mommies and do not pay for services until they are performed at the end and that you are satisified. For quckie, mommie gets 100 rmb off the top and the girl gets 100 rmb for a 200 rmb deal. The girl tells me she gets 100 rmb regardless. Not sure if she is lying. Thats why I always gave them 30-50 rmb for tips if I enjoyed their services.

The way it usually works in CP is that you leave the mommy a deposit. Depending on the place, the deposit is either 50 or 100. Whatever you pay afterwards the girl gets to keep. For example, the places behind the HM hotel are 150. You leave the mommy 50 and pay the girl 100 afterwards. Sometimes this is good. EG, you can just reserve the girl for later. If you plan to have dinner soon, you can leave the deposit and tell the mommy to send the girl to your room a couple of hours later.


2. Be nice to these girls. Appreciate them and they will treat you well. Remember, they are trying to make a decent living. A little kindness goes a long way.
I always heard that LT means 3 hours during CNY. Thats seems lots of bulls. Can someone verify this?


This is utter nonsense. I've never had a girl or a mommy tell me anything like that. Depending on the girl, and the time of the day and week, ST can easily last 3 hours. Sometimes it's not easy to get rid of the girl.

[Dan Hawaii]

They're KTV girls. Anything that involves money gets them excited.... For instance, play the liar dice game, if she beats you, you give her 100RMB, if she loses, she takes off her panties for the night....
and you can tell them to take off their bras for free? Last time you layed down the law and told the girls they had to take off their bras.

I tried doing that several times and they did not oblige:( .

[Moody]

and you can tell them to take off their bras for free? Last time you layed down the law and told the girls they had to take off their bras.

I tried doing that several times and they did not oblige:( .

It's not really free... it's just part of the game of what you want them to do for 200 yuan and what they're willing to do for 200 yuan. They're willing to do it, you just have to approach it right.

A couple of things I guess... First of all, it's much easier to get girls to take things off in the summer than the winter. In the winter they all think they're gonna catch cold and die. Second, you really have to be a dick and insist, furthermore, everybody else in the group has to insist too. A girl really hates to be the only one not wearing a bra, she loses face or something if she is. You also have to do it really early, like in the first minute she sits down so there's that little bit of possibility you might just her back if she doesn't oblige. If I'm in the "be a dick" mood, I'll just tell the mommy before I pick any girls that I only want ones who will take their bra off. That way, if the girl refuses, just tell the mommy and she'll make the girl take it off. It's all a game. KTV girls try to get away with doing as little as they can, so sometimes you have to be a little insistent if you want them to do something.

At some places, you can have girls all naked, and it's automatic, you don't even have to ask. You just have to go to those places, but like I mentioned, girls at those places tend to be.... well, you might prefer them to keep their clothes on....

[Kai Kai]

I met a girl in Jia Yi KTV, she is going to the university, don't know which one, but she speaks pretty damn good English, like you can carry pretty long converstaions with her. And she is studying to become an interpreter. She says she has been studying English since she was in middle school, so she has been studying English seriously for 6 years.

Her name is Momo, and her cell number is 13612-721676. She's only 17 years old, so be gentle with her. She has been working in the ktv business for only 1 month, so that she can put herself through college. She is pretty tall, maybe 5'7" and is slim. But she only has A cup size.

Have fun.Well I decided to contribute to the guys and try this girl Momo since my chinese is not good.

I did not ask about pricing which was my mistake but was thinking of BBS and not KTV.

Here english is good but she has more rules and dislikes then the bible. She was not very customer service at all no kissing, no kissing to sucking her tits and very ticklish and no going down under. Then she would say sorry that her service is not good and I am not happy..So since I was not in the mood then we talked and once she got dressed she hope to learn more english and then of course I said sure, then she was about to go and I gave her 200RMB and she said 500RMB and she said I am from KTV. I said that is what you told me but I did not get you at KTV so why should I pay you 500RMB and we did nto even do anything. I ended up only giving her 200RMB and she was pissed.. I am to easy going and should have been stronger. So guys do not go to her she will not satisfy you and you will not be happy. This is one lesson that since i can't speak chinese it was the worst times I had.

[Weelock]

Just a side note for liar's dice, watch out some girls will cheat. They do this by flipping dices to get a better number. They will use one finger or the edge of the cup. You need to listen and watch for dice moving or rolling but it's hard in a noise KTV.

I really hate to see some poor guy without his clothes and money. :)



Gung Hay Fat Choy!

(And to those who are married: Lai see dow loi!) :)

[Pleasure Dude]

Moody,

I heard from other senior members that you are the king of KTV in CP. I will be in town first week of March. If you are in town during that time, let's hang out.

PD


It's not really free... it's just part of the game of what you want them to do for 200 yuan and what they're willing to do for 200 yuan. They're willing to do it, you just have to approach it right.

A couple of things I guess... First of all, it's much easier to get girls to take things off in the summer than the winter. In the winter they all think they're gonna catch cold and die. Second, you really have to be a dick and insist, furthermore, everybody else in the group has to insist too. A girl really hates to be the only one not wearing a bra, she loses face or something if she is. You also have to do it really early, like in the first minute she sits down so there's that little bit of possibility you might just her back if she doesn't oblige. If I'm in the "be a dick" mood, I'll just tell the mommy before I pick any girls that I only want ones who will take their bra off. That way, if the girl refuses, just tell the mommy and she'll make the girl take it off. It's all a game. KTV girls try to get away with doing as little as they can, so sometimes you have to be a little insistent if you want them to do something.

At some places, you can have girls all naked, and it's automatic, you don't even have to ask. You just have to go to those places, but like I mentioned, girls at those places tend to be.... well, you might prefer them to keep their clothes on....

[Moody]

Just a side note for liar's dice, watch out some girls will cheat. They do this by flipping dices to get a better number. They will use one finger or the edge of the cup. You need to listen and watch for dice moving or rolling but it's hard in a noise KTV.

Like I said, it's all a game. Girls cheat. You can let them do it or make them stop. To stop them from doing it, make them drink a whole glass when you catch them. Once they realize that's the punishment, they stop real fast.

[Moody]

Moody,

I heard from other senior members that you are the king of KTV in CP. I will be in town first week of March. If you are in town during that time, let's hang out.

PD

"King of KTV?" Not even close.... I have many friends who go much more often than I do.

I doubt I'll still be in Guangdong in March, but you never know. I'll drop you a PM if I'm around then.

[Moody]

Going to CP in a month.

What is best place to get BBBJ aside from sauna?

Behind the HM alley, I think it's the 9th shop in on the right side. They have a specialist there.

She's about 80 years old with no teeth but man oh man she can blow!!!

[Bnlee2]

Behind the HM alley, I think it's the 9th shop in on the right side. They have a specialist there.

She's about 80 years old with no teeth but man oh man she can blow!!!

Dude;

He is looking for a BBBJ not a Gum job. There is a difference, maybe not to you but to the rest of us... there is a major difference.

[Fast Eddie 48]

Behind the HM alley, I think it's the 9th shop in on the right side. They have a specialist there.

She's about 80 years old with no teeth but man oh man she can blow!!!Moddy,

Wow sound like that you have a great time with her did she allow you to CIM and how much did the BBBJ cost you.

Fast eddie 48

[SE Asia Joe]

Hey Guys -

What is the situation in CP now? Thinking of getting back up there this week-end (HKG week-end warrior thing!).

Have things returned to 'normal' or is there still a dearth of supply and lack of quality?

Appreciate your heads up.... and perhaps see ya?
SE Asia Joe

[Moody]

Dude;

He is looking for a BBBJ not a Gum job. There is a difference, maybe not to you but to the rest of us... there is a major difference.


Moddy,

Wow sound like that you have a great time with her did she allow you to CIM and how much did the BBBJ cost you.

Fast eddie 48

I was joking around.

[Old Mean Dog]

Hey Guys -

What is the situation in CP now? Thinking of getting back up there this week-end (HKG week-end warrior thing!).

Have things returned to 'normal' or is there still a dearth of supply and lack of quality?

Appreciate your heads up.... and perhaps see ya?
SE Asia Joe

There were people selling roses and flower bouquets (Valentines today)on all the spots where the mommies once stood.

I haven't seen a mommy around the Hui Mei, the park or around the Lucky Hotel in quite sometime.

Might want to give it till next week...

-CPE

[Kai Kai]

There were people selling roses and flower bouquets (Valentines today)on all the spots where the mommies once stood.

I haven't seen a mommy around the Hui Mei, the park or around the Lucky Hotel in quite sometime.

Might want to give it till next week...

-CPEHi Guys,

I saw mommies in the park on Tuesday about noon and many standing on the corner between Lucky Hotel and Hui Mai.. They saw me and they all want me to go with them to see there girls.

Kai Kai

[Fast Eddie 48]

Hi Guys,

I saw mommies in the park on Tuesday about noon and many standing on the corner between Lucky Hotel and Hui Mai.. They saw me and they all want me to go with them to see there girls.

Kai KaiKAI Kai /cp,

I talk to my HK buddy he was there yesterday ,the current status is there are still a few mommie back in business but they only have a few girls and quality is bad and yalan is still dead and the pxxxx wagon is still misssing so the sauna and ktv is the place to find good quality actions .

Fast eddie 48

[Dan Hawaii]

Well I decided to contribute to the guys and try this girl Momo since my chinese is not good.

I did not ask about pricing which was my mistake but was thinking of BBS and not KTV.

Here english is good but she has more rules and dislikes then the bible. She was not very customer service at all no kissing, no kissing to sucking her tits and very ticklish and no going down under. Then she would say sorry that her service is not good and I am not happy..So since I was not in the mood then we talked and once she got dressed she hope to learn more english and then of course I said sure, then she was about to go and I gave her 200RMB and she said 500RMB and she said I am from KTV. I said that is what you told me but I did not get you at KTV so why should I pay you 500RMB and we did nto even do anything. I ended up only giving her 200RMB and she was pissed.. I am to easy going and should have been stronger. So guys do not go to her she will not satisfy you and you will not be happy. This is one lesson that since i can't speak chinese it was the worst times I had.
Hi Kai Kai,
glad you got some time off your busy schedule. Wish you could've visited us when we was there in Jan. We had a blast. I want to go again...real soon. :)

Sorry you did not have a great time with her. I do not know what kind of service she gave, because I did not take her out. Anyways, sorry for the bad time. But she did speak pretty good english for China standards. I think she was the best spoken girl I ever met in CP.

[Dan Hawaii]

Just a side note for liar's dice, watch out some girls will cheat. They do this by flipping dices to get a better number. They will use one finger or the edge of the cup. You need to listen and watch for dice moving or rolling but it's hard in a noise KTV.

My friend got pissed at another guy for doing this. The cheater was a local Chinese that my friend's uncle knew. Anyways, he started to warn him not to do it anymore and was playfully wrestling on the ground. I mean, these 2 guys were friends. Anyways, the guy kept cheating and the other guy got really pissed and wanted to really kick his ass. But we intervened and told the Chinese local to go home.

The point is, I don't know why the guy never stopped cheating. It seemed that is the way he always played and could not stop himself. Or he was really wasted and did not want to lose anymore, just did not want to lose face or something. Old habits are hard to break. It was kind of stupid, the chinese local lost a really good friend/s. Too bad, my friend was even going to pay for his girl. I know it's bad luck, but just the point that they were friends.

[Dan Hawaii]

Moddy,

Wow sound like that you have a great time with her did she allow you to CIM and how much did the BBBJ cost you.

Fast eddie 48
I think it was free, as the protein helps her to live longer. hahaha.

[Transporter]

It depends where you come from/ who you play with/ whom you learned it from. It may be called cheating to us, but its just part of the game to some of them.
That is why you may notice that some girls change their dice all the time, some, some of the time, and some none at all.
Actually, if you think about it, most of them aren't smart enough to actually "cheat" to their advantage.For a seasoned player, it would be a disadvantage for anyone to just make their dice better.


My friend got pissed at another guy for doing this. The cheater was a local Chinese that my friend's uncle knew. Anyways, he started to warn him not to do it anymore and was playfully wrestling on the ground. I mean, these 2 guys were friends. Anyways, the guy kept cheating and the other guy got really pissed and wanted to really kick his ass. But we intervened and told the Chinese local to go home.

The point is, I don't know why the guy never stopped cheating. It seemed that is the way he always played and could not stop himself. Or he was really wasted and did not want to lose anymore, just did not want to lose face or something. Old habits are hard to break. It was kind of stupid, the chinese local lost a really good friend/s. Too bad, my friend was even going to pay for his girl. I know it's bad luck, but just the point that they were friends.

[Cloud Palms]

It depends where you come from/ who you play with/ whom you learned it from. It may be called cheating to us, but its just part of the game to some of them.

That is why you may notice that some girls change their dice all the time, some, some of the time, and some none at all.

Actually, if you think about it, most of them aren't smart enough to actually "cheat" to their advantage.For a seasoned player, it would be a disadvantage for anyone to just make their dice better.I was there with Dan's crowd that night, pretty cool group of guys to hang out with. Regardless of culture, the local guy should have treated Dan's friend and his hosts with the proper respect and stopped cheating when he was asked. He was invited and being treated for by friends, even his girl would have been paid for. Cheating isnt accepted in any type of culture really, only if you come from a lowlife background which alot of locals in CP are - not exactly the safest place to travel.

Besides they were playing for drinks, the point of KTV is to get drunk anyway and for guys to have a good time. It just killed the entire vibe that night at the end.

[Playboy2000]

Does anyone know of web site where you can practice? Or a site that offers advice on strategy?

- Race

[Dan Hawaii]

I was there with Dan's crowd that night, pretty cool group of guys to hang out with. Regardless of culture, the local guy should have treated Dan's friend and his hosts with the proper respect and stopped cheating when he was asked. He was invited and being treated for by friends, even his girl would have been paid for. Cheating isnt accepted in any type of culture really, only if you come from a lowlife background which alot of locals in CP are - not exactly the safest place to travel.

Besides they were playing for drinks, the point of KTV is to get drunk anyway and for guys to have a good time. It just killed the entire vibe that night at the end.
It was not even the local chinese guy's girl. It was my friend's girl. He took 2 girls and gave one to the local chinese guy. After the ordeal, my friend even paid for this guy's ktv share.

About cool guys in CP, that's the kind of guys I always meet, knock on wood. I made a lots of great friends in CP, too, I know they are good friends, when it is sad to see them go.

[Dan Hawaii]

Does anyone know of web site where you can practice? Or a site that offers advice on strategy?

- Race
The best and funnest place to practice is in China at the ktv with a hotty. All you got to learn is the mandarin numbers. Most ktv girls are willing to teach you. The strategy is to , sometimes, bullshit your way to win and/or sometimes you just tell the truth. Mix and match is the way you have to play. My chinese friends in the states play this game all the time at bars. It's just another fun excuse to get drunk. It's pretty fun, rather than just sitting there and drinking beers, ... sometimes you run out of things to talk about. But they play with only 1 dice each player, because there is usually 3-8 of us playing. Same principle...to bullshit, but a little different.

There are several different games that you can play with the dice, I remember 3 games. Anyways, liars dice game is the funnest.

[Transporter]

I don't wish to insult anyone, or start a debate or anything, but last I checked this was about china. Maybe my point was poorly made.

For us adjusting your dice is cheating, and that is not acceptable, for some of them adjusting your dice is part of the game, and expected of you. For us, we go to walmart, pick up our items, and pay the price listed on the tag, for them they bargain/debate/argue until they feel justified with the price, (of course it is expected/required); for us we make a reservation with a hotel, confirm the reservation, print up the confirmation, arrive at the hotel, and they honor the reservation,...for them,,,,,,,oh hell this is going to be way to long if I continue on this process.............I'm out


Well luckily this is a forum and not a debate, as I can see both sides, and the way I see it both sides are in the right of how they were brought up.
However it would be comforting to know that the side of the higher educated would be able to empathize with the situation.
Of course it's just an opinion of nobody...


Nobody




I was there with Dan's crowd that night, pretty cool group of guys to hang out with. Regardless of culture, the local guy should have treated Dan's friend and his hosts with the proper respect and stopped cheating when he was asked. He was invited and being treated for by friends, even his girl would have been paid for. Cheating isnt accepted in any type of culture really, only if you come from a lowlife background which alot of locals in CP are - not exactly the safest place to travel.

Besides they were playing for drinks, the point of KTV is to get drunk anyway and for guys to have a good time. It just killed the entire vibe that night at the end.

[Cloud Palms]

Its actually about proper guest etiquette and manners. Perhaps I misinterpreted your point at first and still might be, but there are certain rules to a game and not everything is set in stone in daily life. Flipping the dice is a pretty outrageous variation of that game. Its like seeing your hand in texas hold them, not liking it, then keep dealing yourself until you get pocket aces. Seems like blatant cheating to me.

At any rate the situation, and you werent there so you in fact don't know, was there were house rules then conveyed to the person to stop flipping the dice so that should take precedence over any type of cultural variation.


I don't wish to insult anyone, or start a debate or anything, but last I checked this was about china. Maybe my point was poorly made.

For us adjusting your dice is cheating, and that is not acceptable, for some of them adjusting your dice is part of the game, and expected of you. For us, we go to walmart, pick up our items, and pay the price listed on the tag, for them they bargain/debate/argue until they feel justified with the price, (of course it is expected/required); for us we make a reservation with a hotel, confirm the reservation, print up the confirmation, arrive at the hotel, and they honor the reservation,...for them,,,,,,,oh hell this is going to be way to long if I continue on this process.............I'm out

Well luckily this is a forum and not a debate, as I can see both sides, and the way I see it both sides are in the right of how they were brought up.

However it would be comforting to know that the side of the higher educated would be able to empathize with the situation.

Of course it's just an opinion of nobody.

Nobody

[Cloud Palms]

and forgive me for dragging this topic on, I am in the states with no access to the fun stuff. But who the heck actually plays like that legitimately. Whats the point of shaking the dice or even freaking playing with dice if youre just gonna make it to be whatever number you want. Why not just write the numbers down on the napkin if youre gonna do that. Its mostly messing around and I dont want to make a big deal about it but what if you had 100RMB riding on each game...lets see you be understanding of their culture then.

I hope you dont become a dealer someday, that casino would lose alot of money.

[FL Wingman]

I am staying at this hotel for the second time and never got out of the hotels KTV pricey for sure.

Looking to explore a bit anyone local?

[Transporter]

I've not been on the boards in a very long time, so this is getting quite interesting. I'll definitely give up on the point I was trying to make, obviously because I suck at expressing it properly. However, I am now intrigued a bit, so I will drag it on a bit more.

Yes you are right (CP), I was not their, and don't mean to interpret your situation as it may be different. I don't mean to single out that particular situation, I was just merely speaking my mind in general about the game itself.

Generally (not all, but the majority of the opponents you will face in a ktv and such) are not that calculating (I would like to say that they are not that smart, but that is just not right). If they are allowed, or if the style of play dictates that they change their dice, then they will be defeated the majority of the time. Its only because they always, and I mean always (not most of the time) will always make their dice better (higher). If I had 100 rmb riding on the game, then yes I would make a lot of money, if we were playing for drinks, I would be very thirsty.
I've found that its always better to let them change their dice, that way you can dictate when and how much to lose.

Of all the years I've been playing these games, here is my observatins.
If you rate the ktv girls skills on a scale from 1-10 (one being stupid as a brick, and 10 as very skilled at the dice game/people). You will find that it is very easy to beat the girls that are in the range of 1,2 & 5-10, however the ktv girls that fall in the 3 & 4 catagory is very tough to beat (for me anyway).

[Pointpanic]

You guys got me interested in the dice game. HOW do the girls change the dice lie or alter the lie. I never knew that this was happening as I was just having fun. Having to drink beer is not a terrible consequence. However I am going to CP on March 3 and will visit several KTVs. Would appreciate someone telling me what to look for so that I can catch someone and ask her to drink beer.

[Playboy2000]

The best and funnest place to practice is in China at the ktv with a hotty. All you got to learn is the mandarin numbers. Most ktv girls are willing to teach you. The strategy is to , sometimes, bullshit your way to win and/or sometimes you just tell the truth. Mix and match is the way you have to play. My chinese friends in the states play this game all the time at bars. It's just another fun excuse to get drunk. It's pretty fun, rather than just sitting there and drinking beers, ... sometimes you run out of things to talk about. But they play with only 1 dice each player, because there is usually 3-8 of us playing. Same principle...to bullshit, but a little different.


I have played dice with a number of hotties in KTVs now...and I agree it is very fun. But there so many books and sites on poker, you would think there would be something on liar's dice.

[Dan Hawaii]

I have played dice with a number of hotties in KTVs now...and I agree it is very fun. But there so many books and sites on poker, you would think there would be something on liar's dice.
Never seen it because its just a drinking game for fun, not played for cash or for gambling.

Dont know where the game was invented, but i would have to say china, cause I never saw the game played anywhere else. and all my chinese friends play it. I never seen it in Phillipines, Thailand, Vietnam, in USA, and Hawaii.

It is kind of like Texas Hold'em, where you need to play the player, not the cards/dice.

[Dan Hawaii]

You guys got me interested in the dice game. HOW do the girls change the dice lie or alter the lie. I never knew that this was happening as I was just having fun. Having to drink beer is not a terrible consequence. However I am going to CP on March 3 and will visit several KTVs. Would appreciate someone telling me what to look for so that I can catch someone and ask her to drink beer.
When they open and close the cup, hiding the dice, they hit the dice to make it flip again. So they make like they are looking at their dice, and when they don't like what they see, they will change their dice by kicking their dice with the edge of the cup while closing the cup. The only way you can catch them is to listen for the spinning dice.

Another way they cheat, is that some of the ktv tables have a chrome polish, on the lower level, edge of the table, and the table top has to be made of glass. So they can see the bottom of your dice, by looking at the chrome piece, kind of like a mirror, and they can see their own dice. Remember, if you can see the bottom of your dice, you will know what you have on top, just takes some remembering. I forgot what ktv has these tables.

[Old Mean Dog]

Hi Guys,

I saw mommies in the park on Tuesday about noon and many standing on the corner between Lucky Hotel and Hui Mai.. They saw me and they all want me to go with them to see there girls.

Kai Kai

I was downtown yesterday (Friday @ 3 pm), saw the pimp and one of the twin mommies but they were only offering on the little street where the shops are behind the Hui Mei. No touts in the park or out in the main areas.

-CPE

[FL Wingman]

The rain stopped so I mad a trip down town, same report as CPE, had fun in the ally but only one shop about 9 girls working, I had GREAT service from the one that I picked. the mommie wanted me to take two but I just do not like more then one at a time, so I told her to back off.

Wingman

[Ipohdog]

Yo bro's, spent the past 2 hours combing thru the reports & doing the most important mongering research. I'll be going to S. China for the first time in about 4 weeks. I'll have the weekend there before work starts on Monday & will fly into SZ. Based on all your inputs I'll drive straight to CP & plan to stay at the Miraton.

I'm not really into KTV & prefer Saunas (got lots of info from you guys) & take away.

Where is the best place to go for take away? Any landmarks?

I don't speak Chinese but will be with a monger from Beijing so communication will not be an issue. Just need to know where to go.

Any other tips for a first timer. Thanks in advance.

Cheers & BOW WOW.

[Playboy2000]

Never seen it because its just a drinking game for fun, not played for cash or for gambling.

Dont know where the game was invented, but i would have to say china, cause I never saw the game played anywhere else. and all my chinese friends play it. I never seen it in Phillipines, Thailand, Vietnam, in USA, and Hawaii.

It is kind of like Texas Hold'em, where you need to play the player, not the cards/dice.

I did a quick google search on "liar's dice strategy" and quite a bit of good stuff came up. Also, you can play the game online here:

http://adisney.go.com/disneypictures/pirates/games/piratesDice/index.html

I have a question for you experts. What is the default version of the game in CP? Are aces wild by default, or do they have to be declared to be wild? If someone bids "3 fours" can you increase the bid with "3 fives" or must it be increased to "4 something" in the default game?

[Moody]

I have a question for you experts. What is the default version of the game in CP? Are aces wild by default, or do they have to be declared to be wild? If someone bids "3 fours" can you increase the bid with "3 fives" or must it be increased to "4 something" in the default game?

I'm not an expert by any means, but I'll take a stab at it.

The default version goes something like this. Let's say you have 4 people playing, it'll be a 4-5-6 game. By that, it means the minimum call for Aces is 4, once somebody calls aces, they're no longer wild. The 5 means the minimum you can call for any other number without wilds is 5. Once somebody calls no wilds, there are no more wilds from that point forward. The 6 is the minimum you can call for any number with wilds. To reiterate.

In a 4-5-6 game,

The minimum call for Aces is 4
The minimum call for any other number with no wilds is 5
The minimum call for any number with wilds is 6

If you have fewer or more people, the numbers change. For example, if 2 people play, it's usually 2-3-4. if 6 people play, it's usually 6-7-8. If a lot of people play, say 12 people, it's usually something like 12-13-18.

As for the adding part, you can add to any of the numbers. for example, if somebody calls four 5s, you minimum you can call is either four 6s, four Aces (at which point Aces are no longer wild), or five or more of any other number. If you add a minimum of 2, then you can choose to reverse direction. If the person before you calls four 5s, and you call six 3s, you can choose to reverse direction. If you add a minimum of 3, you can choose the person to go next.

At any point, you can call out Aces, at which point Aces are no longer wild. At any point, you can call for "zhai" which means no more wilds. If you roll, and you have no pairs, you can roll again. If you have roll to 3 times, you lose and have to drink. Obviously, after the 2nd roll.... you don't say anything no matter what you have.

In CP they usually play with the "P" or "pian" option. Instead of just opening somebody to call them out, you can call "P" and open. The "P" option usually doubles the drink amount to the loser, but sometimes it's the whole glass or more. Just call it how you want it before the game starts. The customer's always right...

There are of course, the occasional exotic house rule. Here's a few I know of. At some places, if you get a 5 of a kind (including wilds) you add one. For example, if you have three Aces and two 5s, you actually have six 5s. At those places if you get a natural 5 of a kind (like all sixes), then it counts as 7. At another place, if you get opened and you have none of the number you called, you have to drink double. For example, if you call seven 5s and they open you, and you don't have a single 5 or Ace, you drink double. At yet another place, if you have all Aces, you can't lose. No matter what you call, you have it. That game gets funny because you get absurd calls by the person who has it, like a 4 person game and somebody will call fifty 6s. Whoever goes next is pretty much an automatic loser unless by some really strange coincidence, they also have all Aces. Another one I'm familiar with is the pull out rule. If you lose, you lose a die. Once you lose all your dice, you have to drink an extra glass and are out. This obviously changes the dynamic of the game as it goes on and there are fewer and fewer total dice in the game.

Actually, you can pretty much ignore the house rules thing. These are rarely played unless a customer requests it or something.

As for strategy, if you have a lot of people playing, like 6 or more, then there's no real strategy except trying to make sure it doesn't get back to you when you start. You do that by calling a bit higher than the minimum. If you're playing head to head or 3 handed, then you have to mix it up. You can't always call the numbers you have the most of and you can't always be bluffing. Try to be unpredictable.

BTW, if the liar dice game seems too complicated or you just can't get the hang of it, don't play it. Play the 789 game. That game is all luck so unless you're extremely unlucky, you shouldn't lose too much.

[SE Asia Joe]

I'm not an expert by any means, .
DITTO - and remain an unexpert! To me, the whole liar's dice or whatever games are played in a KTV is nothing more than a means to liven up the atmosphere - and thus participate in them with the appropriate gusto.
And I certainly do not worry about exact rules or whatever and just go along with whatever swings everybody else's boat. Just remeber that and you'll end up enjoying your KTV experience better!
Fact is, couple nights ago I was losing so many times that I got 'extra' loving and care from my KTV lovely, fussing over and protecting poor old me!
SE Asia Joe
ps. And the lovin' and fussin' lasted even afterwards!

[Wadman]

Nice lowdown by Moody, and may I add a few comments:

If you are playing in a large group, it doesn't pay to be aggressive. For example, playing with 6 people, assuming that everyone is an equally competent player you have a 16.7% chance of losing a game. If you call high numbers (without being forced), you are likely to get called to open up. Or if you are always calling others to open up. Anytime you call or get called, you have a 50% chance of losing (mathematically speaking).

Again, playing with 6 people, when you are making the first call, you may want to bluff all the way or not all all.
E.G. you have rolled no 6's yourself. Start off with 9 6's. By the time it's your turn again, it's likely 12 or 13 6's, and you are pretty safe to call "open".

OR...

if you have rolled 4 6's, start off with 10 (or 11) 6's. Before it's your turn again, the call is likely so high that someone has called "open".

When playing with 1 vs 1, you have to be aggressive. As has been mentioned before, a lot of girls cheat by flipping dices with the fingers or cup, and some are very good at it. A sure fire way to combat this is to play 2 vs 2, i.e. you and your girl vs your buddy and his girl. It's not a tag team, just your team against your buddies. Since your buddy is looking at the same dice that his girl is, you can be sure the opposition isn't cheating. At least, if your buddy is honest...



I'm not an expert by any means, but I'll take a stab at it.
...
In a 4-5-6 game,

The minimum call for Aces is 4
The minimum call for any other number with no wilds is 5
The minimum call for any number with wilds is 6

...
As for strategy, if you have a lot of people playing, like 6 or more, then there's no real strategy except trying to make sure it doesn't get back to you when you start. You do that by calling a bit higher than the minimum. If you're playing head to head or 3 handed, then you have to mix it up. You can't always call the numbers you have the most of and you can't always be bluffing. Try to be unpredictable.

[Dar425]

I think you are thinking too much about this game.

SE Asia Joe (and Johnny the Kon man?) know that I suck playing this game, but that I don't care. Sometimes when I win, I tip a 'cheers' glass and drink along with the lady. Some of us guys like to 'lose' everytime. I cannot imagine 'winning' 3 times in a row and seeng a girl drink. I am too damn thristy and want to 'drink along with her'. As Joe says, you can win some sympathy cards, but if you are a good-drinking man (can hold your alcohol well), then it can benefit you.

The game is about challenge and atmosphere. The game is an excuse for what will come later ("you and her at your hotel!"). She is using drinks as an excuse to accept your invitation to go to your hotel.


Dar





I'm not an expert by any means, but I'll take a stab at it.

BTW, if the liar dice game seems too complicated or you just can't get the hang of it, don't play it. Play the 789 game. That game is all luck so unless you're extremely unlucky, you shouldn't lose too much.

[SE Asia Joe]

As Joe says, you can win some sympathy cards, The game is about challenge and atmosphere. The game is an excuse for what will come later ("you and her at your hotel!"). She is using drinks as an excuse to accept your invitation to go to your hotel.


Dar
Dar - you are as much a sicko as I am!!
Joe

[Old Mean Dog]

She is using drinks as an excuse to accept your invitation to go to your hotel.

She gets paid to have sex with customers, why does she need an excuse to do so?

-CPE

[Superforce99]

She gets paid to have sex with customers, why does she need an excuse to do so?

-CPE


Don't break that sweet (del)illusion for a lot of guys!!

What's next, revealing that in CP believing in "dating"..."promises"..."lovey dovey stares"..."real love" are usless as a 3 dollar bill? Ha ha...


J

[SE Asia Joe]

She gets paid to have sex with customers, why does she need an excuse to do so?

-CPE
WOT???!!! You mean she actually have sex with other customers?? I thought that all thse girls would only do it with ME! You tellin' me that these are NOT nice girls? That it's not my charm and good looks that convince them to do the dirty with me?
OMIGAWD!
SE Asia Joe

[Old Mean Dog]

WOT???!!! You mean she actually have sex with other customers?? I thought that all thse girls would only do it with ME! You tellin' me that these are NOT nice girls? That it's not my charm and good looks that convince them to do the dirty with me?
OMIGAWD!
SE Asia Joe

Hate to break it to ya playboy, but it's that big roll in your pocket they want and we ain't talkin' about your didi here. ;)

You already knew that though, right?

-CPE

Haha, romance and true love in CP....

BTW: Mommies next to Miraton this evening pimping their girls.

[SE Asia Joe]

Hate to break it to ya playboy, but it's that big roll in your pocket they want and we ain't talkin' about your didi here. ;)

You already knew that though, right?

-CPE

Haha, romance and true love in CP....

BTW: Mommies next to Miraton this evening pimping their girls.
Oh Great!! Things "slowly" getting back to normal in CP!!
Anybody else gonna be there this Saturday? If so, I'll get back up there too - and disprove CPe's nonsense about the fine young ladies there. TRUE LOVE CONQUERS ALL!
SE Asia Joe

[Dan Hawaii]

I'm not an expert by any means, but I'll take a stab at it.
Hahaha , LOL KTV King. "Not an expert"....., But didn't you invent the game?:)

[Ipohdog]

Al little help guys pleeeease.

Yo bro's, spent the past 2 hours combing thru the reports & doing the most important mongering research. I'll be going to S. China for the first time in about 4 weeks. I'll have the weekend there before work starts on Monday & will fly into SZ. Based on all your inputs I'll drive straight to CP & plan to stay at the Miraton.

I'm not really into KTV & prefer Saunas (got lots of info from you guys) & take away.

Where is the best place to go for take away? Any landmarks?

I don't speak Chinese but will be with a monger from Beijing so communication will not be an issue. Just need to know where to go.

Any other tips for a first timer. Thanks in advance.

Cheers & BOW WOW.

[Bergsteiger]

Can someone could make recommendations in or outside this hotel for nice girls?

[Shimano]

I am staying at this hotel for the second time and never got out of the hotels KTV pricey for sure.

Looking to explore a bit anyone local?I stayed there last time I was in CP in May '07. They have a sauna there, kind of hard to find so you might have to ask the front desk clerk on how to find it. The rates last year were 300 for A-level girls (generally taller) and 200 for B-level girls. When we were there, they said the place was new so they had a free room special, so not sure how much the rooms would cost now or if you can take them back to your room. Chat with the host a little bit and she may recommend a girl for you. I went with a recommended girl and she turned out to be one of the best I've ever had.

[Pointpanic]

Al little help guys pleeeease.

Yo bro's, spent the past 2 hours combing thru the reports & doing the most important mongering research. I'll be going to S. China for the first time in about 4 weeks. I'll have the weekend there before work starts on Monday & will fly into SZ. Based on all your inputs I'll drive straight to CP & plan to stay at the Miraton.

I'm not really into KTV & prefer Saunas (got lots of info from you guys) & take away.

Where is the best place to go for take away? Any landmarks?

I don't speak Chinese but will be with a monger from Beijing so communication will not be an issue. Just need to know where to go.

Any other tips for a first timer. Thanks in advance.

Cheers & BOW WOW.

Some of the "experts" may post but I can say that you get a van at Miraton and go the Yalan Hotel. Go to restaurant across street and look for ladies to guide you upstairs. Or go to left of restaurant into alley and look for ladies to guide you.

[Old Mean Dog]

A few new faces at the Walter and at least one is into P4P. 23 years old, not bad in looks, excellent GFE and very tight. Started at 300, talked her to 200, the tip from the 2 hour massage (about 15 rmb) plus promise I would take her again as I live here.

Need to get private room with no windows, little massage table in room is good, but very difficult to maneuver if you a big guy like me, BYOC (Bring Your Own Condom). It's a good alternative if your on the cheap and want to be discreet.

-CPE

[Weelock]

A few new faces at the Walter and at least one is into P4P. 23 years old, not bad in looks, excellent GFE and very tight. Started at 300, talked her to 200, the tip from the 2 hour massage (about 15 rmb) plus promise I would take her again as I live here.

Need to get private room with no windows, little massage table in room is good, but very difficult to maneuver if you a big guy like me, BYOC (Bring Your Own Condom). It's a good alternative if your on the cheap and want to be discreet.

-CPE

Do you happened to know if there was a lock on the door?

I went to the Walter two different time and I requested a private room. Each time there was no lock on the door. I even swtich rooms twice and still no lock and gave up. One room had a table but still no lock.

Please NO MSG or ISG in my food.

[Old Mean Dog]

Do you happened to know if there was a lock on the door?

I went to the Walter two different time and I requested a private room. Each time there was no lock on the door. I even swtich rooms twice and still no lock and gave up. One room had a table but still no lock.

Please NO MSG or ISG in my food.

The door had a working lock, it's in middle hallway, private room with no window. Hell, I don't worry about the locks anyway, if the ear cleaning girl is cute, she can join us as well and there is one floor manager I am dying to pop ;)

-CPE

[Crazier]

there is one floor manager I am dying to pop ;)

-CPE

Is her name Nana who used to be a masseuse more than a year ago?

Had her in my bed 3 occasions but, she would not........................

Then, all I offered was "love!"

[Old Mean Dog]

Is her name Nana who used to be a masseuse more than a year ago?

Had her in my bed 3 occasions but, she would not........................

Then, all I offered was "love!"

I don't think so, she has been a manager as long as I can remember, never saw her as a massage girl, but who knows. I do know she is a hard-ass; once a girl conned me there (long story) and I told her about it the next day, she ripped the girl up and down and made her stand up her entire 12 hour shift. Ahhh a little dominatrix

-CPE

[Ipohdog]

Thanks bro Pointpanic!

Anyone stayed at Yalan hotel? Is it a very low budget hotel or? I did a check on WWW & not much came up so gotta believe it is too low budget.

Any other decent hotels walking distace to Yalan hotel area.

I appreciate the input bros.


Some of the "experts" may post but I can say that you get a van at Miraton and go the Yalan Hotel. Go to restaurant across street and look for ladies to guide you upstairs. Or go to left of restaurant into alley and look for ladies to guide you.

[OldAsiaHand]

Ipohdog,

Yalan Hotel is not bad. I often use it for ST (100 RMB) when just passing through. The rates were 162 RMB per night and 182 RMB on the weekends last I checked. Pretty good value considering you can literally roll out of bed into the arms of the mamasans. I reckon it is the best of the closer options but the Swan Lake Hotel just did some renovation so you may want to check this out too. There have been some recent reports from Senior Members about the Peninsula Hotel which is supposed to be 5 minutes walk from the R2 BBS at the far end of the Yalan area. I have never been in this hotel so I cannot comment. All that said, IMHO, unless you want to monger 24/7, you are better off staying closer to downtown where all the support services are located. It is only 5-10 minutes away by taxi or minivan.

Just my POV.

OAH




Thanks bro Pointpanic!

Anyone stayed at Yalan hotel? Is it a very low budget hotel or? I did a check on WWW & not much came up so gotta believe it is too low budget.

Any other decent hotels walking distace to Yalan hotel area.

I appreciate the input bros.

[Tightway]

I have been to Changping several times and I also know some good places that have (as far as I know) not been mentioned in this forum.

Is anybody interested in joining me and having lots of fun mongering in CP together for the next few days?

I can also speak some chinese.

I will go today on February 24, 2008 and will stay a few days!

Send me a PM (Personal Message) please if you want to hang out and have fun together in CP.

See you!

[Wadman]

Swanlake hotel is 207 on weekdays, higher on weekends. The newly renovated rooms are really nice; nicer than Miraton's. 10 minute walk to Yalan BBSs.

Peninsula hotel is 265 weekdays. They have a wing with newly renovated rooms, slightly nicer than Swanlake's new rooms. 15 minute walk to Yalan BBSs.

Personally I am not crazy about staying overnight at Yalan, the place is older, dumpier. And as soon as you set foot outside the hotel, the mommies swarm you. ST is fine.

As mentioned by OAH, the problem with staying at these 3 hotels is that while it provides convenient access to the BBSs, it sucks for everything else. If you speak the language or are in town for only 1 day, you may consider staying at the above 3 hotels. Otherwise my recommendation is that you stick to the hotels on the main strip: HuiHua, Miraton, Virgin, HuiMei, Lucky, Huayu, Walter, ShangYuan, New Century



Ipohdog,

Yalan Hotel is not bad. I often use it for ST (100 RMB) when just passing through. The rates were 162 RMB per night and 182 RMB on the weekends last I checked. Pretty good value considering you can literally roll out of bed into the arms of the mamasans. I reckon it is the best of the closer options but the Swan Lake Hotel just did some renovation so you may want to check this out too. There have been some recent reports from Senior Members about the Peninsula Hotel which is supposed to be 5 minutes walk from the R2 BBS at the far end of the Yalan area. I have never been in this hotel so I cannot comment. All that said, IMHO, unless you want to monger 24/7, you are better off staying closer to downtown where all the support services are located. It is only 5-10 minutes away by taxi or minivan.

Just my POV.

OAH

[SE Asia Joe]

Was at PP KTV (in that hotel next to Lucky hotel - what IS the name of that hotel - Pacific Pearl? Pussy Paradise? [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) Poor? Anybody know?) and surprisingly, it was quite well decorated - unlike the rest of the hotel which is quite crappy.
Anyway, I met up with a friend of mine at this KTV, and he happened to be with about a dozen others - mostly Chinese from Canada and/or Singapore. And I was convinced that at least one or 2 of them must also be on this board - but.... how do you find out?? I cain't just go around asking "You an ISG'r" as the couple or so times in the past that I did so, I ended up explaining what ISG was and getting nods of "yeah, so I see, you're one of those huh...??"
So What is the protocol on trying to figure out if someone you've met is an ISG'r? Hey Jackson - why don't you market a bracelet, a cap, tee shirt or....??? that would make it easier for us to hook up? Pretty sure you're gonna make a killing!!
Anybody else want to give me your input?
SE Asia Joe

[Old Mean Dog]

Was at PP KTV (in that hotel next to Lucky hotel - what IS the name of that hotel - Pacific Pearl? Pussy Paradise? [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) Poor? Anybody know?) and surprisingly, it was quite well decorated - unlike the rest of the hotel which is quite crappy.
Anyway, I met up with a friend of mine at this KTV, and he happened to be with about a dozen others - mostly Chinese from Canada and/or Singapore. And I was convinced that at least one or 2 of them must also be on this board - but.... how do you find out?? I cain't just go around asking "You an ISG'r" as the couple or so times in the past that I did so, I ended up explaining what ISG was and getting nods of "yeah, so I see, you're one of those huh...??"
So What is the protocol on trying to figure out if someone you've met is an ISG'r? Hey Jackson - why don't you market a bracelet, a cap, tee shirt or....??? that would make it easier for us to hook up? Pretty sure you're gonna make a killing!!
Anybody else want to give me your input?
SE Asia Joe

Come on Joe, you're telling us, nobody taught you the "secret" handshake? I am very disappointed in OAH, Santa and Bill Lee now.

Hell, if I see a foreigner in CP, I always ask three questions:

1. You here on business?
2. You on ISG? If he gives me a blank stare, my next question is:
3. Do you like Chinese girls? Even if he ain't a monger yet, saunas are socially accepted here and once he gets a taste of some Chinese honey, he's hooked from that point on.

Of course it's easier if he offers me the "secret" handshake first ;)

-CPE

[Fast Eddie 48]

Was at PP KTV (in that hotel next to Lucky hotel - what IS the name of that hotel - Pacific Pearl? Pussy Paradise? [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) Poor? Anybody know?) and surprisingly, it was quite well decorated - unlike the rest of the hotel which is quite crappy.

Anyway, I met up with a friend of mine at this KTV, and he happened to be with about a dozen others - mostly Chinese from Canada and/or Singapore. And I was convinced that at least one or 2 of them must also be on this board - but.... how do you find out?? I cain't just go around asking "You an ISG'r" as the couple or so times in the past that I did so, I ended up explaining what ISG was and getting nods of "yeah, so I see, you're one of those huh...??"

So What is the protocol on trying to figure out if someone you've met is an ISG'r? Hey Jackson - why don't you market a bracelet, a cap, tee shirt or....??? that would make it easier for us to hook up? Pretty sure you're gonna make a killing!!
Anybody else want to give me your input?

SE Asia JoeSE ASIA JOE

ISG is a info web site not a online store and Jackson don't make money selling t shirts. He want member to join and use PM for contact each other, I know many member like to keep to themself and don't like other to know they are member.

I don't know what PP stands for.

Just my IMHO

Fast Eddie 48

[Mian Bao Shi Fu]

Come on Joe, you're telling us, nobody taught you the "secret" handshake? I am very disappointed in OAH, Santa and Bill Lee now.

Of course it's easier if he offers me the "secret" handshake first ;)

-CPEHi CPE,

How should somebody give you the "secret handshake" when nobody knows it - because it is secret. I also do not know how to shake your hand when I see you. So for me the only thing is to ask if the guys I meet are on ISG. Where can I join the "secret handshake"-Training?

MBSF

[SE Asia Joe]

Come on Joe, you're telling us, nobody taught you the "secret" handshake? I am very disappointed in OAH, Santa and Bill Lee now.

Hell, if I see a foreigner in CP, I always ask three questions:

1. You here on business?
2. You on ISG? If he gives me a blank stare, my next question is:
3. Do you like Chinese girls? Even if he ain't a monger yet, saunas are socially accepted here and once he gets a taste of some Chinese honey, he's hooked from that point on.

Of course it's easier if he offers me the "secret" handshake first ;)

-CPE
OK - I'll walk straight into this!

Secret handshake???!! You gotta be kidding - and then asking "You like Chinese Gilrs?" Hell, if I know my luck I'll either get one who'll says "NO I don't like Chinese Girls but I like nice old chinese Gentlemen like you" or worse, "you're under arrest you pimp you!"

come on Jackson - why not consider selling them rubber band bracelets imprinted with ISG on it. Ain't gonna mistake those for anything else! Hell I wouldn't mind paying a few bucks for it! And hey, you could sell those bracelets ONLY to paid up subscribers - that way you can also increase your subscriptions.

SE Asia Joe

[Ipohdog]

Wadman/ OAH: thanks for the inputs. Yeah, I'll probably stay at the Miraton & then head to Yalan action.

Trip report in 5 weeks or so.

Cheers.

Bow wow.


Swanlake hotel is 207 on weekdays, higher on weekends. The newly renovated rooms are really nice; nicer than Miraton's. 10 minute walk to Yalan BBSs.

Peninsula hotel is 265 weekdays. They have a wing with newly renovated rooms, slightly nicer than Swanlake's new rooms. 15 minute walk to Yalan BBSs.

Personally I am not crazy about staying overnight at Yalan, the place is older, dumpier. And as soon as you set foot outside the hotel, the mommies swarm you. ST is fine.

As mentioned by OAH, the problem with staying at these 3 hotels is that while it provides convenient access to the BBSs, it sucks for everything else. If you speak the language or are in town for only 1 day, you may consider staying at the above 3 hotels. Otherwise my recommendation is that you stick to the hotels on the main strip: HuiHua, Miraton, Virgin, HuiMei, Lucky, Huayu, Walter, ShangYuan, New Century

[Pointpanic]

What is the name and location of the new and big KTV. Apparently many girls left Jia Yi for this place? thanks

[Old Mean Dog]

What is the name and location of the new and big KTV. Apparently many girls left Jia Yi for this place? thanks

If you mean the PP Club, it is right next to the Lucky Hotel, at the end of the block, as SE Asia Joe said. Can't miss all the bright lights and pretty girls in pink dresses standing out front.

-CPE

[SE Asia Joe]

SE ASIA JOE

ISG is a info web site not a online store and Jackson don't make money selling t shirts. He want member to join and use PM for contact each other, I know many member like to keep to themself and don't like other to know they are member.

I don't know what PP stands for.

Just my IMHO

Fast Eddie 48
Yes, Jackson for the longest time did not even charge any subscription fees - and I believe that even now, even if you do NOT pay any subsription fees - but have been designated a senior member - the only thing you cannot access is the picture gallery. A non paying Senior member receive/sends PMS's freely - so how is Jackson earning money on these guys?
What I am suggesting will hopefully assist Jackson to earn more money - and more importantly - enable him to keep this great site alive and vibrant. Please note that I suggest that these bracelets be only for sale to those who are PAID up ISG members.

As far as keeping anonymous - yes - for the longest time I did prefer to keep anonymous - but since about half a year or so ago,(when OAH, Santa and Bill Lee not only invited me to meet up - but also took it upon themselves to show me the ropes and took care of me) I've had the pleasure of meeting many a great guys from ISG (errr... some not so great too, admittedly) and now feel that meeting in person other ISG'ers is very worthwhile. And one can always keep one's anonymity by NOT wearing the bracelet - and only do so when out mongering AND wanting to hook up with other ISG'rs - esepcially if one is mongering in a new destiantion where one does not know the ropes etc. The PMS system would also still be in use - but again - I notice that even regular NON paying members do "advertise where they're gonna be at and inviting to hook up.
As far as Jackson probably NOT wanting to market trinkets etc on his own - heck - its a simple matter for him to appoint a third party to do so. Heck, even for me being HKG, I betcha could easily do this while making some meaningful side money! Hmmmm... perhaps I should go ahead and do this if Jackson completely do not want anything to do with my suggestion. Heck - I think Jackson even offers a free "Classified Ad" thread somewhere on ISG doesn't he?
Anyway.........
SE Asia Joe

[SE Asia Joe]

If you mean the PP Club, it is right next to the Lucky Hotel, at the end of the block, as SE Asia Joe said. Can't miss all the bright lights and pretty girls in pink dresses standing out front.

-CPE
If PP clubs is the one you are talking about - cain't say that I was particularly impressed by it. Yeah, the place is new and quite large - but the quality of the gals is just OK and not spectacular. Perhaps with time etc they could improve the stock. I heard that the new owner is a CBC from Vancouver - I'd certainly hope that he would beef up the English song selection on the K-OK machines first thing first!
SE Asia Joe

[Fast Eddie 48]

If you mean the PP Club, it is right next to the Lucky Hotel, at the end of the block, as SE Asia Joe said. Can't miss all the bright lights and pretty girls in pink dresses standing out front.

-CPECPE,

MY HK buddy know the owner mr Fan he own a few KTV in Dongguan PP is his new joint ,I been to PP once is new most of their girl is from the mamasan that have a house near by but they charge the 2-5-8 system same as the lion ktv but why paid that if you can get it for 150 rmb ST ,I think mr Fan have to pay for the million rmb he spend on remodel the new ktv he also own ktv in HK and shenzhen .

Email for PP club P.PCLUB@163.com and I have the owner cell phone pm me you can ask him what PP stand for .

Fast eddie 48

[Dan Hawaii]

Come on Joe, you're telling us, nobody taught you the "secret" handshake? I am very disappointed in OAH, Santa and Bill Lee now.

-CPE
To learn the secret hand shake and to be let into the inner circe, one must be a Senior ISG Member and.... do a girl in the Catacombs. Hell, forget about being a senior, just do a catacomb girl. Then CPE or OAH will teach you the secret ISG hand shake.

BTW, I'm not wothy, I'm not worthy....yet. ;) I'm still in training.

[Dan Hawaii]

Hey Jackson - why don't you market a bracelet, a cap, tee shirt or....??? that would make it easier for us to hook up? Pretty sure you're gonna make a killing!!
Anybody else want to give me your input?
SE Asia Joe

I'll give an ISG bracelet to all the girls I meet in CP, kind of like marking my territory, hahaha. Then I'll sign it "DH" and every ISG member after that will initial it also. That would be disgusting, but funny. What do you think Joe? Hahaha.

[Pleasure Dude]

I will be in CP on 3/8 for two or three days and I am looking for other ISG members to hang out for the weekend. It was a lot of fun last time when we had five or six senior members visiting all the local attractions including the world famous catacombs.

I am hoping to visit some BBS in late afternoon and KTV at night. If you are interested, please send me a message.

PD

[Dan Hawaii]

Post CNY report anyone??? Are the BBS s scene back to normal? Mommies out in full force? Any info would be much appreciated. Thanks.

[Old Mean Dog]

Post CNY report anyone??? Are the BBS s scene back to normal? Mommies out in full force? Any info would be much appreciated. Thanks.


I posted a few tidbits already. Mommies out in front of restaurants next to Miraton (saw them as recently as tonight), poppa and the twins on the street with the stables behind the Hui Mei (only on that street), have not seen any around the Lucky, between the Hui Mei and Mito Cafe nor in the park. I spoke to Jojo the other day, she says back in business, but things may change soon.

-CPE

[Dan Hawaii]

I posted a few tidbits already. Mommies out in front of restaurants next to Miraton (saw them as recently as tonight), poppa and the twins on the street with the stables behind the Hui Mei (only on that street), have not seen any around the Lucky, between the Hui Mei and Mito Cafe nor in the park. I spoke to Jojo the other day, she says back in business, but things may change soon.

-CPE
Hi CPE,
thanks for the update. I know you and your wingman are MIA and are not shopping around. Great timing. :) I hope it was by choice, not by lack of choices.

This past end of January trip we only stuck to KTV and Sauna action. Never even tried to go for BBS. Might try our luck this next trip, hopefully end of March, . Hope to catch up with some members for a party.

[Wadman]

Post CNY report anyone??? Are the BBS s scene back to normal? Mommies out in full force? Any info would be much appreciated. Thanks.


Update on Yalan: I was in CP with OAH this Wednesday. Not that many girls in the BBSs. We went around 5 - 5:30.

R2 (California Red KTV/BBS): 15 girls
Baby's shop: 10 girls
Sandy's/Jojo's shop (on 2nd floor above drugstore): 8 girls
BBS on 5th floor: 15 girls
BBSs behind Yalan hotel with big tree in courtyard: 15 girls
BBS on 2nd floor above Yalan restaurant: 7 girls

To sum up, much lighter than usual. You feel like you are competing a lot with other mongers for the girls. Girls are in a hurry to finish ST, because they know more guys are waiting for them in the shop.

But at least people have stopped pestering you about a "hong bao" for CNY.

[AsnDragon]

Wadman,

Thanks for the update on CP. That's kind of sad. I was thinking of taking a trip there at the beginning of March but with all this bad news, it seems kind of sad to even venture out there to CP. But i might take my chances and hope for the best that things there will pick up.

Any idea why all the girls aren't back at work anymore? I had a theory that recently with all the small factories moving out of pearl delta, Dongguan being affected the most, that it's hard for those Mommies to recruit new blood into the BBS. But that's just my theory. I find that CP eventually will only get more expensive and lesser selection of girls.

I remember the good times back in 2002-2003 when girls were 150 short time max, and you could get 100 short time if you bargain and the USD was 8.25 to the yuan. Dude, with Inflation increasing in China at this rate, i expect the fees to increase far beyond 250 RMB ST within the next couple of years. You can feel that there's so many girls that are feeling the pinch of rising inflation. Girls back a couple months ago, were complaining that it was better to live back in their old hometown than stick around pearl delta, cause you earn double the money but your costs is triple what it is back home.

For example, in my Chengdu Trip a few months back, girls ST was $500, for the quality that you want to sleep with. And she wasn't even all that Hot either. So if you think about it, girls come to pearl delta area like CP cause there's a huge demand from mongers, the supply of mongers is unheard of. So they they earn more money doing it more times. However, with the diminishing US dollar HKD is going down the shitter. So there are less HK mongers coming across the borders doing BBS. I find more of them doing KTV and Saunas instead, or they have their own little wife regulars already.

Face it, HK mongers make up more than 80% of all their business. If they start slowing down, i bet you all of us cannot pick up their slowdown of business, there simply isn't enough of us to maintain the market.

So i find that CP is going to be hit hard in many directions.

Enjoy it while it lasts, cause good things never lasts.


Update on Yalan: I was in CP with OAH this Wednesday. Not that many girls in the BBSs. We went around 5 - 5:30.

R2 (California Red KTV/BBS): 15 girls
Baby's shop: 10 girls
Sandy's/Jojo's shop (on 2nd floor above drugstore): 8 girls
BBS on 5th floor: 15 girls
BBSs behind Yalan hotel with big tree in courtyard: 15 girls
BBS on 2nd floor above Yalan restaurant: 7 girls

To sum up, much lighter than usual. You feel like you are competing a lot with other mongers for the girls. Girls are in a hurry to finish ST, because they know more guys are waiting for them in the shop.

But at least people have stopped pestering you about a "hong bao" for CNY.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[AsnDragon]

Sorry I had to ask cause sometimes I don't pay attention to the business cards, I just make eye contact and we go from there. Is Jojo the fatter one and has the shorter older sister? She always gives me that look when I don't pick her girls in that room.

They had these two identical twins from Yunan last month, but I think they took off already. They always dress in identical clothing to make them seem more alike, but one's fatter than the other.

The one thing that's good about Baby is that she gets some of the her girls from the Jiayi KTV who owe her "favors" and work at her room for a limited time only. SO sometimes her room has stunners whom work there. Be on the look out.


I posted a few tidbits already. Mommies out in front of restaurants next to Miraton (saw them as recently as tonight), poppa and the twins on the street with the stables behind the Hui Mei (only on that street), have not seen any around the Lucky, between the Hui Mei and Mito Cafe nor in the park. I spoke to Jojo the other day, she says back in business, but things may change soon.

-CPE

[AsnDragon]

Couple of months ago I went to visit the Virgin Sauna because another sauna girl at the Hui Hua had told me about how famous it is in CP. She told me that she wanted to work at Virgin but was denied cause she was pretty enough and didn't give enough bribes to the manager to get in.

In any case, I was very disappointed with the quality of girls and services. I expected girls that make you go "wow", but the girls didn't' seem any prettier than other Saunas in CP. The only difference is that Virgin has this Costume lineup. So they have girls dressed in Kimonos and Nurse and sailor outfits and stuff. I suppose it's suppose to add into the kinkiness factor. But I personally was not all that turned on by it cause the quality of the girls were at best 6-7.

So I walked out, but when I walked out, there were waves of guys coming in. In fact, it was so packed that before I went in, I had to wait for almost 20 mins for the lineup.

In any case, the one trick I learned from Sauna experience is that, you never go in without an appointment. Even if its your first time, go in, take a business card from one of the supervisors and call them ahead of time before you show up. Basically each supervisor has a quota and if you call them they get one customer within their quota a month of 30 customers. SO they tend to treat you better and bring out better girls and recommendations of who's good and who's not.

I didn't call ahead of time at Virgin, so perhaps that's why I got such bad service. But I'll pass on Virgin.

[Wadman]

The biggest factor for the scarcity of girls the last month or so is Chinese New Year. Normally, they should be back in full force by now, but with the hugh winter storms and transportation mess that ensued, some have not made it back yet. They will be back in numbers next week...so the mommies swear.

Small factories moving OUT of Dongguan? Dongguan has more factories than ever before. True, some factories are choosing to operate in cheaper in-land locales because of rising costs.




Wadman,

Thanks for the update on CP. That's kind of sad. I was thinking of taking a trip there at the beginning of March but with all this bad news, it seems kind of sad to even venture out there to CP. But i might take my chances and hope for the best that things there will pick up.

Any idea why all the girls aren't back at work anymore? I had a theory that recently with all the small factories moving out of pearl delta, Dongguan being affected the most, that it's hard for those Mommies to recruit new blood into the BBS. But that's just my theory. I find that CP eventually will only get more expensive and lesser selection of girls.

...

Face it, HK mongers make up more than 80% of all their business. If they start slowing down, i bet you all of us cannot pick up their slowdown of business, there simply isn't enough of us to maintain the market.

So i find that CP is going to be hit hard in many directions.

Enjoy it while it lasts, cause good things never lasts.

[Monster Zed]

I will be going to CP with 2 friends. Any brother will be there on 5 March.9 March? This is our 1st trip to CP. So don't know where are the gems. May be we could tag along with any brother here.

[Bob Builder]

If you haven't heard the Financial Secretary in Hong Kong had just given everyone huge tax concessions including a 75% refund on last year's tax, so I don't see any lack of HK mongers in the short term.

And for those backyard economists, I always thought a decrease in demand meant a drop in the price. For Shenzhen at least the increase in the price at some areas has been thru the closing or downsizing of some areas and relocation of the mongers to other areas. Sa Wan has got a hell of a lot busier over the last year with all the other Sa areas being scaled down and the minimum sitting fee at the KTV has gone from RMB100 to RMB150 to RMB200 over the last 6 months. Funny thing is that the ST fee is still RMB300 so for the extra RMB100....

Back 10 years ago ST was RMB250 and then dropped to RMB150 for a very long time as the competition from different areas for mongering business grew.

Why is it when you guys don't see gals on the street for a month or so that you think the the place is dying. It is just after Chinese New Year and it happens every year. By April there will be more pussy around that you will know what to do with.

[OldAsiaHand]

For those of you that like tall girls, there are 2 sisters claiming to be from Xinjiang in the 5th floor BBS. One is 168 (24 yo) and the other 170 (22 yo). I did the 168 and passed her on to Wadman since her oral skills were pretty good. She tried to upsell both of us to do the pair of them together. I've had bad experience with duos from that particular mama. I did another sister team from her in the past and was disappointed. That said, I was a tempted with the Xinjiang pair. If any of you try them, let us know how it goes.

OAH

[Dan Hawaii]

Thanks wadman for the detailed report. I hope you are right about the girls coming back. I would like to get some "cheap eats" again from BBS.

And hows the weather treating you guys in CP? In January it was super cold, but on some days was just cool. It's wierd how the weather there fluctuates big time from day to day. I hope the weather man "turns off the cold" in late march:). hahaha.

[Old Mean Dog]

Hi CPE,
thanks for the update. I know you and your wingman are MIA and are not shopping around.

Dan,

I'm not MIA, I know exactly where I am! I've just had to become a bit more discreet about my hobby here.

-CPE

[Old Mean Dog]

Why is it when you guys don't see gals on the street for a month or so that you think the the place is dying. It is just after Chinese New Year and it happens every year. By April there will be more pussy around that you will know what to do with.

If I was a betting man, I would bet against you. I don't see anything coming back to normal till after the Olympics, if even then. My thinking is pussy will be in CP, but in the future, it will be in the form of KTV's and Saunas. As CP grows up and tries to take on a new face, the BBS's and mommies on the street will be less and less.

Just my PoV.

-CPE

[Freepeaks]

I'll be back this weekend and will update.

Thanks for the 'call ahead' tip on saunas, Wadman suggested that to me and it worked well at HuiHua though the quality likely wasn't any better than Virgin, though I went late like 12ish.

Dan. You won't let that go will you. If it is as cold as January I will repeat that statement. Seems it is 20C-12C so that isn't too bad.

KTV out in this area of Chongqing is average. 1-3-6 but LT at 1000 for this Laowai. Seems they are a bit afraid of my 'mental state' or maybe my girth who the f*ck knows.

Sauna was more like a we can call BBS girl here for 200 total charge, actual massages (different girl) was at best average (60). HK definitely has the best true massage/fun combos. The massage is usually very good. Hit 33 dundas there last time. No massage but great fun (Yo Yo) hot girl and anything was allowed.

Lots of BBS here, no english so didn't try. Pink hair salons everywhere.

FYI. www.kingofproxies.com has been working well in China.

Tried some C last time in CP and it seems that I can hold out forever, sometimes too long. No pain or muscle issues, but anyone else experienced that and can compare to V?

[Dan Hawaii]

I have to agree. I think CP is becoming more rich everyday and the govt is trying to upgrade and nurture the city into a higher class area. I'm sure the BBS will still exist, but maybe relocate to the outer perimeter of the city limits. High end KTVs are what the govt prefers, not cheap and frivolous BBSs.

My question to my own theory is, so why is the catacombs still untouched?


If I was a betting man, I would bet against you. I don't see anything coming back to normal till after the Olympics, if even then. My thinking is pussy will be in CP, but in the future, it will be in the form of KTV's and Saunas. As CP grows up and tries to take on a new face, the BBS's and mommies on the street will be less and less.

Just my PoV.

-CPE

[Beijing ABC]

DH,

CP is a niche location being so close to Shenzhen.

As factories begin to move out, the governement is retrying to retool and redevelop the region to be a R&R hub north of Shenzhen.

The level of entertainment, from high to low ends will undoubtedly exisit and is function of supply and demand.

For those of us that go to CP to monger, this is very positive.


I have to agree. I think CP is becoming more rich everyday and the govt is trying to upgrade and nurture the city into a higher class area. I'm sure the BBS will still exist, but maybe relocate to the outer perimeter of the city limits. High end KTVs are what the govt prefers, not cheap and frivolous BBSs.

My question to my own theory is, so why is the catacombs still untouched?

[Fast Eddie 48]

If I was a betting man, I would bet against you. I don't see anything coming back to normal till after the Olympics, if even then. My thinking is pussy will be in CP, but in the future, it will be in the form of KTV's and Saunas. As CP grows up and tries to take on a new face, the BBS's and mommies on the street will be less and less.

Just my PoV.

-CPECPE,

I think CP may never be the same again city is growing is become more and more commericial ,but there will be demand by the Honger konger and mongering for P4p bbs will just move to other area like Hengli, Huangjiang and Dalang town in Dongguan .

Fast eddie 48

[Wadman]

And hows the weather treating you guys in CP? In January it was super cold, but on some days was just cool. It's wierd how the weather there fluctuates big time from day to day. I hope the weather man "turns off the cold" in late march:). hahaha.

Weather is OK now, daytime high around 20 C, so you will still need a light jacket or sweater. But nothing like the freezing cold we had in January. It was the coldest winter in China in 100 years!

[OldAsiaHand]

Interesting dialogue on what lies ahead for one of our favorite hunting grounds.

My hunch is that things will remain status quo. CP has been pretty much the same for the 12 years I have lived in China. When I first went to CP in 1995, I mostly patronized KTV since my mongering buddies at that time were not into BBS. Prices were 2/5/8, they are still 2/5/8. The only difference was that less girls were laowai friendly in those days. There will be times of crackdowns, there has always been. And, it is not just during the pre-CNY, pre-Olympics, etc. It can happen any time. It will never be a totally risk free, stable environment in which to monger; it never has. If you are looking for this, go to Thailand or The Philippines for action.

CP was developed out of convenience since the HK-GZ & SZ-GZ trains stop there (Dongguan Station). It was very easy for mongers to access the place. This is one of the major reasons for the industrial growth, as well. Where there is business, there will be pussy. With the growth, came all the support people. Depending on what they earn, some can afford the catacombs, some the BBS and others KTV/Sauna. Some like me just like to do it all.

Just my POV.

OAH

[Bob Builder]

If I was a betting man, I would bet against you. I don't see anything coming back to normal till after the Olympics, if even then. My thinking is pussy will be in CP, but in the future, it will be in the form of KTV's and Saunas. As CP grows up and tries to take on a new face, the BBS's and mommies on the street will be less and less.

Just my PoV.

-CPE

cause didn't you move to CP for the action. so you will be changing your name to **EXPAT or

If you lose you win cause the gals will be back in town.

I think you will be better off if you lose the bet.

DG is one hell of a big area and if the action moves somewhere else, the difference is 45 minutes by car.

[Old Mean Dog]

cause didn't you move to CP for the action. so you will be changing your name to **EXPAT or

If you lose you win cause the gals will be back in town.

I think you will be better off if you lose the bet.

DG is one hell of a big area and if the action moves somewhere else, the difference is 45 minutes by car.

Yep, maybe **Expat is better.

It is just my feeling about this place that the BBS's will become extinct in the main areas of CP (i.e. Yalan, Hui Mei and over by Swan Lake). I certainly think they will just move to other parts of CP or other towns in DG. One of my xiaojie buddies came back to DG, but rather than coming back to CP, she headed out to Chang An, saying the action is picking up there.

The more and more they keep building these high end apartment complexes, shops and restaurants, the more of the wild west dies in CP. CP is starting to become a retreat for families from SZ and GZ who want a really big and beautiful home for little money and don't mind the commute. Shit has changed fast in the past 7 months since I moved to CP. A year ago there was so many WG's and mommies here, you had to beat them off with a stick just walking down the street. Now, you gotta go searching for them...


My PoV

-CPE

BTW: Anyone notice they took down the huge Olympic flower arrangement in front of the train station? Seemed everytime I would go to SZ, I noticed less and less flowers....hahaha, wonder if people were stealing them at night?

Also, new sauna called City Spa, just down the road from the train station, behind the Vanguard and McDonalds in a nice office building. Have not tried it, but did see a sign that said 130 rmb.

[Neuromancer]

Interesting dialogue on what lies ahead for one of our favorite hunting grounds.

My hunch is that things will remain status quo. CP has been pretty much the same for the 12 years I have lived in China. When I first went to CP in 1995, I mostly patronized KTV since my mongering buddies at that time were not into BBS. Prices were 2/5/8, they are still 2/5/8. The only difference was that less girls were laowai friendly in those days. There will be times of crackdowns, there has always been. And, it is not just during the pre-CNY, pre-Olympics, etc. It can happen any time. It will never be a totally risk free, stable environment in which to monger; it never has. If you are looking for this, go to Thailand or The Philippines for action.

--- cut ---

OAHFirst of all, not flaming OAH. He just mentioned something that got me thinking. I have not mongered as long as OAH in China. My first experience was in 2003 I think.

Back in 2003, KTV girls were 800-1000 for all night. This was in Shanghai. Today, Shanghai KTV girls are 2000 or so. This is just my own experience and I by no means am familiar with the full range of options/pricing at Shanghai KTVs. I just go wherever my buddies take me, so it's entirely possible that the market in my eyes has been skewed by my buddies going upscale a little.

Only been to one KTV in the DG area. It was Jia Hua in the Hou Jie area (couple of months ago). It was 1300 for overnight. Went there two nights. Funny thing is that I had accidentally miscounted the money on the second night/morning and the girl had commented that I was short 100. Ooops.

Anyway, so what seems interesting is that back in 1995, CP KTV girls were 800 for all night and today, CP KTV girls are still 800 for all night. Back in 1995, that seems like a H*LL of money. Today, 800 seems pretty cheap actually.

Just my POV

[Omega]

Couple of months ago I went to visit the Virgin Sauna because another sauna girl at the Hui Hua had told me about how famous it is in CP. She told me that she wanted to work at Virgin but was denied cause she was pretty enough and didn't give enough bribes to the manager to get in.

In any case, I was very disappointed with the quality of girls and services. I expected girls that make you go "wow", but the girls didn't' seem any prettier than other Saunas in CP. The only difference is that Virgin has this Costume lineup. So they have girls dressed in Kimonos and Nurse and sailor outfits and stuff. I suppose it's suppose to add into the kinkiness factor. But I personally was not all that turned on by it cause the quality of the girls were at best 6-7.

So I walked out, but when I walked out, there were waves of guys coming in. In fact, it was so packed that before I went in, I had to wait for almost 20 mins for the lineup.

In any case, the one trick I learned from Sauna experience is that, you never go in without an appointment. Even if its your first time, go in, take a business card from one of the supervisors and call them ahead of time before you show up. Basically each supervisor has a quota and if you call them they get one customer within their quota a month of 30 customers. SO they tend to treat you better and bring out better girls and recommendations of who's good and who's not.

I didn't call ahead of time at Virgin, so perhaps that's why I got such bad service. But I'll pass on Virgin.I was there just before Chinese new year. The lineup was decent IMO, I got a "8" Suzhou chick in bikini. Forgot her number but she gave me a darn good BBBJTC after a good wash in the bathroom. Then after giving each other massages, we gone through many positions before I was done. She was very into it and I had a good time. I was told this place is very popular among guys from HK and the two shot routine was the norm there. The friend took me there did call ahead of time to make reservation. Have fun and be save.

[Bob Builder]

The gals always move around 'cause they are usually busier if they are touted as the new girl, new to the business but don't you just love when the newbie girl can suck the chrome off a bumper....LOL.

[Fast Eddie 48]

Yep, maybe **Expat is better.

It is just my feeling about this place that the BBS's will become extinct in the main areas of CP (i.e. Yalan, Hui Mei and over by Swan Lake). I certainly think they will just move to other parts of CP or other towns in DG. One of my xiaojie buddies came back to DG, but rather than coming back to CP, she headed out to Chang An, saying the action is picking up there.

The more and more they keep building these high end apartment complexes, shops and restaurants, the more of the wild west dies in CP. CP is starting to become a retreat for families from SZ and GZ who want a really big and beautiful home for little money and don't mind the commute. Shit has changed fast in the past 7 months since I moved to CP. A year ago there was so many WG's and mommies here, you had to beat them off with a stick just walking down the street. Now, you gotta go searching for them.

My PoV

-CPE

BTW: Anyone notice they took down the huge Olympic flower arrangement in front of the train station? Seemed everytime I would go to SZ, I noticed less and less flowers....hahaha, wonder if people were stealing them at night?

Also, new sauna called City Spa, just down the road from the train station, behind the Vanguard and McDonalds in a nice office building. Have not tried it, but did see a sign that said 130 rmb.CP

So after you move to cp everything when Down hill what up with that maybe you kill the market here , About Chang An I was there about 2 month ago the bbs behind the bus station is gone there are more than 15 bbs there about 5 yr ago but now only a few large sauna offer FS maybe I will ask my HK buddy is only 30 min taxi from CP.

fast eddie 48

[Dan Hawaii]

First of all, not flaming OAH. He just mentioned something that got me thinking. I have not mongered as long as OAH in China. My first experience was in 2003 I think.

Back in 2003, KTV girls were 800-1000 for all night. This was in Shanghai. Today, Shanghai KTV girls are 2000 or so. This is just my own experience and I by no means am familiar with the full range of options/pricing at Shanghai KTVs. I just go wherever my buddies take me, so it's entirely possible that the market in my eyes has been skewed by my buddies going upscale a little.

Only been to one KTV in the DG area. It was Jia Hua in the Hou Jie area (couple of months ago). It was 1300 for overnight. Went there two nights. Funny thing is that I had accidentally miscounted the money on the second night/morning and the girl had commented that I was short 100. Ooops.

Anyway, so what seems interesting is that back in 1995, CP KTV girls were 800 for all night and today, CP KTV girls are still 800 for all night. Back in 1995, that seems like a H*LL of money. Today, 800 seems pretty cheap actually.

Just my POV
OAH is correct, I remember long time ago the Amazon KTV was the best ktv, the price was 2-5-8. That was probably in 1998. Anyways, the prices are still 2-5-8, but the dollar is low, so technically, it is more expensive for me. Before we used to get 800+rmb , now we only get 700rmb for 100 usd.

[SE Asia Joe]

guys - quit speculating and get your axx down to cp - quick!
the week-end hkg warrior me went down this week-end and was very pleasantly surprised that things ain't like what you guys been chattering on about! and the weather was purrrrfect!

4 pm - hit the 2nd fl quasi ktv room above the restaurant and was confronted by more than 40 gals - all dolled up and dying to get going! eager beaver freepeaks and i quickly chose one each whilst old santa - all horny from his stay at ac with all dem ugly girls (but still holding out as usual for the cream of the crop. damn!!) - wandered off to check the rest of the bbs's out.

the deal was for freepeaks and i to "trade" gals for a second session - but the sumbich broke his girl. i mean his gal actually refused to come over to do me - telling me that her "down there" is really hurting. what freepeaks?? what did you use on her? just coz you had some "c" power in you don't mean you should go on battering ram-ming her! poor gal - you owe her some extra cash my friend - and me for forcing me to have to go out again..... whilst you were battering ram-ming my skinny gal.

ok, no problemo i thought as there were plenty of talent - but when i hit the same bbs at 6 pm (where there was at least 40 gals), the other hkg week-end warriors had cleaned them out and there was only 10 or so gals left. but still, my sidekick on this 2nd visit still managed to pick up a real honey whilst i had to go off to the 5th floor where there were still approx 20-25 gals and i managed to pick out my honey! and she was a real honey as it turned out.
wang yeh, quite a tall gal, told me that she has a sister who will do a tag team (so i wonder if its the same gal oah did.) she was a real firecracker and i was bound and determined to emulate freepeaks and proceeded to do her every which way. i probably broke my own record with a bbs gal and did her for at least an hour and half.....with no complaints about timing and only very enthusiastic participation - so there!!

sent her off and chowed down before we all went off to pp ktv - but by then it was already quite late and there were hardly any decent gals left. at first i picked out quite a looker and was going to town with her before i noticed that i couldn't see her name tag. when i asked for it, she produced a yellow stringed one! disaster - yellow string means that her relative had come a'visitin on her egular monthly tour. damn damn damn - kicked her out and had to resort to phoning one of my old regulars to trot over and keep me company; the only fly in the ointment in an otherwise very satisfactory trip to cp (hell - of course my regular gal is still very nice looking and still looooove me to pieces!!).

ok guys - things ain't back to 100% normal yet - but it certainly is a 100% improvement over last week when it was cold and the pickin's were quite slim. and if things improve on track, i'd speculate that everything will be back at full speed within the next week or two. so guys - get you axx down before somethign else happens.

but then again, you may not want to go back to cp as the whole town, even last week-end was already all full with me already having difficulty booking a hotel room. and the gals at the miraton were telling me that i should make a booking asap if i want to get a room next weekend - as even yesterday, they already had very few rooms left.

se asia joe

[Pointpanic]

was there at the 2nd floor at 5:30 on saturday and there where only 10 left but not to worry acrosss the alley had 15 and the 5th floor had 15-20 each room. young hkers in mass roaming through.the new talent has arrived. threw one back for poor sevice from the 5th floor but lo and behold was stopped in front of the lucky by mommies with xjs in regular passenger vehicles. got a nice sichuan beauty for the regular price. weather was perfect. hope to hear from you and cpexpat who hasn't answered his phone. bill wishes he were here. ktv prices on the rise as crown prince was 3-6-9.
guys - quit speculating and get your axx down to cp - quick!
the week-end hkg warrior me went down this week-end and was very pleasantly surprised that things ain't like what you guys been chattering on about! and the weather was purrrrfect!

4 pm - hit the 2nd fl quasi ktv room above the restaurant and was confronted by more than 40 gals - all dolled up and dying to get going! eager beaver freepeaks and i quickly chose one each whilst old santa - all horny from his stay at ac with all dem ugly girls (but still holding out as usual for the cream of the crop. damn!!) - wandered off to check the rest of the bbs's out.

the deal was for freepeaks and i to "trade" gals for a second session - but the sumbich broke his girl. i mean his gal actually refused to come over to do me - telling me that her "down there" is really hurting. what freepeaks?? what did you use on her? just coz you had some "c" power in you don't mean you should go on battering ram-ming her! poor gal - you owe her some extra cash my friend - and me for forcing me to have to go out again..... whilst you were battering ram-ming my skinny gal.

ok, no problemo i thought as there were plenty of talent - but when i hit the same bbs at 6 pm (where there was at least 40 gals), the other hkg week-end warriors had cleaned them out and there was only 10 or so gals left. but still, my sidekick on this 2nd visit still managed to pick up a real honey whilst i had to go off to the 5th floor where there were still approx 20-25 gals and i managed to pick out my honey! and she was a real honey as it turned out.
wang yeh, quite a tall gal, told me that she has a sister who will do a tag team (so i wonder if its the same gal oah did.) she was a real firecracker and i was bound and determined to emulate freepeaks and proceeded to do her every which way. i probably broke my own record with a bbs gal and did her for at least an hour and half.....with no complaints about timing and only very enthusiastic participation - so there!!

sent her off and chowed down before we all went off to pp ktv - but by then it was already quite late and there were hardly any decent gals left. at first i picked out quite a looker and was going to town with her before i noticed that i couldn't see her name tag. when i asked for it, she produced a yellow stringed one! disaster - yellow string means that her relative had come a'visitin on her egular monthly tour. damn damn damn - kicked her out and had to resort to phoning one of my old regulars to trot over and keep me company; the only fly in the ointment in an otherwise very satisfactory trip to cp (hell - of course my regular gal is still very nice looking and still looooove me to pieces!!).

ok guys - things ain't back to 100% normal yet - but it certainly is a 100% improvement over last week when it was cold and the pickin's were quite slim. and if things improve on track, i'd speculate that everything will be back at full speed within the next week or two. so guys - get you axx down before somethign else happens.

but then again, you may not want to go back to cp as the whole town, even last week-end was already all full with me already having difficulty booking a hotel room. and the gals at the miraton were telling me that i should make a booking asap if i want to get a room next weekend - as even yesterday, they already had very few rooms left.

se asia joe

[John Smart]

Have been to Fu Ho (aka Plutocrat) a few times -- the place has been reproted on in this forum.

Excellent place -- $200 room charge for 2 hours and the girls are so well trained!! They bring out a lineup and choose a $300 or $400 girl and off you go. Well appointed rooms - 'exercise' chair as well! Last time I was there I got a 'spider'. Girls gets my dick in her mouth and then does a 360 degree walk about and around the bed head board and the wall a coupla times sucking all the time. Amazing!

Last week, following a friend's recommendation, got the train to Zhangmutou, opposite which is the Garden Hotel. My friend told me they had 'hanging ropes', what some call 'red ropes' or diu daai.

Similar service to Fu Ho, altho not quite as good, excellent girls again. No spider also. But no hanging ropes either. Despite the fact that they showed us 2 types of room ...

Anyone know where the red ropes are in CP?

JS

[SE Asia Joe]

CP was developed out of convenience since the HK-GZ & SZ-GZ trains stop there (Dongguan Station). It was very easy for mongers to access the place. This is one of the major reasons for the industrial growth, as well. Where there is business, there will be pussy. With the growth, came all the support people. Depending on what they earn, some can afford the catacombs, some the BBS and others KTV/Sauna. Some like me just like to do it all.

Just my POV.

OAH
And..... you forgot about the relatively NEW CRH one hour train service running between GZ and SZ - taking only 20/30 minutes between SZ/GZ and CP. Now you not only got HKG week-end warriors, you've also got the GZ and SZ locals and other mongers (Hey Wadman, OAH, CPexpat...!) also partaking in CP.

And if you think the week-end HKG warriors are formidable competitors - hell, these local SZ/GZ guys with their free spending ways, big bucks, huge Beemers and Benzes, connections/having the ability to make biz/carrer/other connections for the gals, AND language capabilities puts us ALL to shame! Besides which, as far as I know, our local compatriots are quite easy to please - at least that's what I hear from the gals! One, Two,Three Mai Taan!

So the motto is - you gotta work harder my mongering friends!
SE Asia Joe

[Wadman]

And..... you forgot about the relatively NEW CRH one hour train service running between GZ and SZ - taking only 20/30 minutes between SZ/GZ and CP. Now you not only got HKG week-end warriors, you've also got the GZ and SZ locals and other mongers (Hey Wadman, OAH, CPexpat...!) also partaking in CP.

And if you think the week-end HKG warriors are formidable competitors - hell, these local SZ/GZ guys with their free spending ways, big bucks, huge Beemers and Benzes, connections/having the ability to make biz/carrer/other connections for the gals, AND language capabilities puts us ALL to shame! Besides which, as far as I know, our local compatriots are quite easy to please - at least that's what I hear from the gals! One, Two,Three Mai Taan!

So the motto is - you gotta work harder my mongering friends!
SE Asia Joe



Well, since I have been mentioned by name I feel pressured to respond.

Those who can, avoid CP like the plaque and on the weekend. Just too many SE Asia Joe types coming up, driving the prices up, everything is full/needs reservation, girls not desperate enough for your business.

If you are a local (a smart one), you would NEVER get too familiar with the girls, not if you have family or relatives here. If the girl finds out your private info, she just might decide to blackmail you. Same scenario happens in HK too, I believe.

[Calvin Hobbs]

Any observations re mongering at the Haiyatt Hotel in Dong Guang.

I'm going to be staying there March/April

Thanks

[ManonsanBoy]

Well, since I have been mentioned by name I feel pressured to respond.


If you are a local (a smart one), you would NEVER get too familiar with the girls, not if you have family or relatives here. If the girl finds out your private info, she just might decide to blackmail you. Same scenario happens in HK too, I believe.


That is why you need to get it from service providers. Do you think they do not know who you are, especially if you have any profile. Their jungle tom tom is very sophisticated. If you get it from service providers, at least there is some discipline.

[Pointpanic]

Many new girls . The three I sat with where here in CP 1(Sichuan),2(Hubei) and 5(Sichuan)days. Took the 5 day one home. Claims to have had sex only twice and before she left my room she was moving on to Hong Kong because the XiaoJie life was not for her. Daytime HuiMei rates are back to 150 and the Mommies and Jr. Mommie Trainees are back. Chinese New Years is over.

[China35]

What are your experiances of china girls doing anal, just back from a stint, 2 girls where receptive to the idea, one actually offering.

Both where anal virgins, lubed one up and entered her ass fairly easy considering how small she was, but as soon as was in was out quicker than a flash and that was that.

The other had a very very small toy in her ass and basically DPed her, trying to get in her ass was all but impossible so so tight, when eventually got the tip in again she was off quicker than a flash.

Both complained about pain and both said bled a little the following day. Is anal possible with these girls or are they just to small and adverse to anal?

[Travel Dog]

Calvin - There are 2 Haiyatt hotels in Dong Guan. One in Houjie and one in ChangAn. Which one are you staying at? Once you know you can search for reports.



TD

[Old Mean Dog]

What are your experiances of china girls doing anal, just back from a stint, 2 girls where receptive to the idea, one actually offering.

Both where anal virgins, lubed one up and entered her ass fairly easy considering how small she was, but as soon as was in was out quicker than a flash and that was that.

The other had a very very small toy in her ass and basically DPed her, trying to get in her ass was all but impossible so so tight, when eventually got the tip in again she was off quicker than a flash.

Both complained about pain and both said bled a little the following day. Is anal possible with these girls or are they just to small and adverse to anal?

Only time I have gotten anal, is with so called real girlfriends. I have a hard enough time getting a xiaojie to blow me, even for 5 minutes so, I don't even attempt to suggest the backdoor with them.

-CPE

BTW: Pointpanic: I am here, but so damn busy lately and tweaked my back 2 days ago moving shit. I will make contact in the next couple of days.

[Dongguan Guy]

Any observations re mongering at the Haiyatt Hotel in Dong Guang.

I'm going to be staying there March/April

ThanksI think you meant the Haiyatt in Songshan Lake of Dalang town. I often go out for a walk in that area. I saw the KTV there and many girls in and out in gowns. Must be a high end place for sure.

[SE Asia Joe]

What are your experiances of china girls doing anal, just back from a stint, 2 girls where receptive to the idea, one actually offering.

Both where anal virgins, lubed one up and entered her ass fairly easy considering how small she was, but as soon as was in was out quicker than a flash and that was that.

The other had a very very small toy in her ass and basically DPed her, trying to get in her ass was all but impossible so so tight, when eventually got the tip in again she was off quicker than a flash.

Both complained about pain and both said bled a little the following day. Is anal possible with these girls or are they just to small and adverse to anal?
First time poster and you start off with Anals??!! In china and you telling us you just scored with 2 Anal Virgins - one actually offering??!! And if you just got back from doing them, how do you know they "bled a little the following day"??
Man.... what are you smoking?? Or more appropriately - you trying to blow smoke up OUR Ass??
Jeez!!!
SE Asia Joe

[Wadman]

First time poster and you start off with Anals??!! In china and you telling us you just scored with 2 Anal Virgins - one actually offering??!! And if you just got back from doing them, how do you know they "bled a little the following day"??
Man.... what are you smoking?? Or more appropriately - you trying to blow smoke up OUR Ass??
Jeez!!!
SE Asia Joe


Calm down, Joe. In China35's defence, he never did screw them in the ass. He had "a very small toy", and the tip (of something) in there. So it was more like ATTEMPTED anal, not actual anal. Finger up the girl's ass is reasonably common, maybe 1 out of 3 or 4.

[Calvin Hobbs]

I should have been more clear. I am staying at the Hiaytt Garden Hotel Chang An.

Never been there before and can not find anythin on the Guide.

Thanks for any help.

[Freepeaks]

The deal was for Freepeaks and I to "trade" gals for a second session - but the sumbich broke his girl. I mean his gal actually refused to come over to do me - telling me that her "down there" is really hurting. What Freepeaks?? What did you use on her? Just coz you had some "C" power in you don't mean you should go on battering ram-ming her! Poor gal - you owe her some extra cash my friend - and me for forcing me to have to go out again..... whilst you were battering ram-ming MY skinny gal.

SE Asia JoeIn my defense, I didn't C-up until your tall girl arrived. Yeah I think first one out I was just revving the engine to high and blew out a o-ring on her. Sorry bout that brother, but you made out better as she wasn't that great. Despite what you say her tall friend was better although skinny.

KTV's were decent. I think HH KTV had pretty crap talent actually,

JiaYi was ok. I think I made a bad choice there anyway had brought my own girl (don't recommend that in future) especially if you are thinking a double is a good idea.

The PP KTV had nice stuff but we were late for the choosing. I ended up with a brown haired maven that was a no BJ, miss only kind of girl, nice body but no variety.

Hit the Crown prince too, which had decent talent and ended up with a Hunan (I think) girl with curly brown hair. She had a killer body even though she was hiding her rack behind a fur shawl. Ended up calling her friend for a double which her friend was a rock star in bed shaming her performance.

[Freepeaks]

Went in and they have the selection of Nurse, Stewardess or evening gown. Went for the nurse look, only had 2 girls in outfit at 4pm (or available) one 7 and one 8+. Took the hotter one. Brown hair, very hot, big tits, skinny, numbeer 623.

Round one, covered BJ/covered fs, decent but not great. Mirror on ceiling so you can check out the nurse fantasy from that angle. Seems virgin doesn't 'require' all activities and she pretty much only does covered fs/BJ and massage a bit. So I had her changed for another 881 who gives 'good service' according to manager. Only a 6 in looks at best, with tats, but was game for anything

So lesson again is better the looks often the worse the service. Although 623 if you like it clean, is very very hot.

[Freepeaks]

Fyi. Mommies out.

Was walking from Miraton to HuiMei up road and got 2 cards from mommies with piaoliang and tall repeated over and over. Didn't partake, but they were out there at 11am on the sidewalks, but being obviously foreign makes me a mark to talk to.

Didn't see vans at lucky as reported by others.

[China35]

First time poster and you start off with Anals? ! In China and you telling us you just scored with 2 Anal Virgins. One actually offering? ! And if you just got back from doing them, how do you know they "bled a little the following day"?

Man. What are you smoking? Or more appropriately. You trying to blow smoke up OUR Ass?

Jeez!

SE Asia JoeFirst post on this SN, but not my first report, buggered (excuse the pun) up my login details and can't seem to recover my pasword on my regular SN. Just a few points in my defense. Both where free bees (as such mormal incidentals as always incured). New about the next day troubles as was with them.

[Jettsetter]

I should have been more clear. I am staying at the Hiaytt Garden Hotel Chang An.

Never been there before and can not find anythin on the Guide.

Thanks for any help.

I've read it on this board before.. go back and research "HIYATT" or "HYATT" or some variation and you should be able to find it. The way you have it spelled may be problematic.

[Jettsetter]

Alright,

Since I'm doing some work from my room at Hui Hwa, I decided to give a little flavored post on the past 3 days in Hui Hwa, which have been just a blast with some of my fraternal brothers, many who I met randomly and by chance in a passing meeting at one of my favorite DVD stores.

My trip this time around was going to be a short lived, solo trip to "re-connect" with the town, meet up with my old pals OAH and CPExPat, if they were free, and to just find a few lovelies here and there, relax a bit.

Well, relaxation slowly turned into my normal "rush to relax" scenario here, when I met up with some really great and interesting fellows at the DVD store, some of which I LATER learned, after our instant connection with speaking english and coming from the US became apparent prevailed and given the great hospitality, was instantly invited to their round of KTV partying that night.

After the exchange of some numbers, we met shortly after, and all bonded at the local footie joint, with the aid of a regular gal which I play with on the side.

At this point, I hadn't learned of our fraternal bond, until the "secret handshake" was given. Actually, the three initials ISG was said in passing and instantly the floodgate of familiarity came out and I learned that I had met PointPanic and his crew.

Needless to say, since that point, we have all become somewhat of an entourage, learning each other's little bits of information that makes the trip to any new destination (or old destination) all that and more.

The war stories of yesteryear and the "good old days" of LOS, PI/Angeles, and other monger destinations with some guys who enjoy the "pleasures" of life, have been abundant and the best part, is that it hasn't ended yet.

With a few more days on the clock, a gal sleeping in my bed as we speak who has a huge rack, tiny figure, and treated me like she wanted nothing else but for us to get naked when we got back to the room.

I must say, life is good... When the biggest complaint is what we are going to do tonight, and on this trip, we introduced something a little different... in my mid-30's and being one of the "young guys", the trip was highlighted, not only the plethora of absolutely amazing field of talent in our purview, but the youth that was reinserted into many of our lives, where we the energy of the gals, made us all feel like we were on date night on a Saturday night after the local high school football games, with gals who this time didn't expect much, poured your tea, got your jacket and truly enjoyed the night of relaxation and fun like little teenagers.. we went of all things... bowling last night.

In all, this trip has been one of the books. Fortunately for me, my language skills have helped guide our way, but the path has been beaten by the "experience" we've all shared on our March 2008 trip. I must also mention a chance meeting with Santa, who I was happy to have met. Didn't get to spend too much time with Santa, but an honor, nonetheless.

As an inside joke, I'll be expecting Christmas cards - 2008 - Merry Xmas from CP.

Tonight is my last night... better make the best of it.

-Jettsetter...

[Pointpanic]

Jettsetter,
Well said. You beat me to the punch. I tried to write first but Miss Double D kept distracting me and my draft never went. She just loves jumping up and down. Its been a blast and it was fun doing R2 and Baby's with Santa and OAH. Thanks for the ride guys. Thanks for allowing me the opportunity to meet up with them by explaining to Miss Double D why I couldn't do her right then after the draining sauna and explaining I had to go on a field trip. The talent pool was exquisite and an inspection of the rooms at Swan Lake gave us all an idea of their refrurbished quality and price. Too bad their internet is too slow and their location is awkward unless you are hanging near Jiayi, Manhattan and Pennisula in which case you might as well stay at those nicer places. The nights at Manhattan with Mommy Merry and the model girls at the Penninula have been great. The spcial handpicked sauna girls at HuiHua was just so super GFE I won't forget. And thanks for the hospitality at the footie and allowing me the great conversation with your regular footie girl. She certainly is very nice. Sorry I didn't make the bowling trip as Miss DD had other plans for me. Well I gues its on to Jiayi and Tayuan this eveing and a debate over P.P Club or back to HuiHua on our last night. Have a safe trip back home.
Pintpanic

Alright,

Since I'm doing some work from my room at Hui Hwa, I decided to give a little flavored post on the past 3 days in Hui Hwa, which have been just a blast with some of my fraternal brothers, many who I met randomly and by chance in a passing meeting at one of my favorite DVD stores.

My trip this time around was going to be a short lived, solo trip to "re-connect" with the town, meet up with my old pals OAH and CPExPat, if they were free, and to just find a few lovelies here and there, relax a bit.

Well, relaxation slowly turned into my normal "rush to relax" scenario here, when I met up with some really great and interesting fellows at the DVD store, some of which I LATER learned, after our instant connection with speaking english and coming from the US became apparent prevailed and given the great hospitality, was instantly invited to their round of KTV partying that night.

After the exchange of some numbers, we met shortly after, and all bonded at the local footie joint, with the aid of a regular gal which I play with on the side.

At this point, I hadn't learned of our fraternal bond, until the "secret handshake" was given. Actually, the three initials ISG was said in passing and instantly the floodgate of familiarity came out and I learned that I had met PointPanic and his crew.

Needless to say, since that point, we have all become somewhat of an entourage, learning each other's little bits of information that makes the trip to any new destination (or old destination) all that and more.

The war stories of yesteryear and the "good old days" of LOS, PI/Angeles, and other monger destinations with some guys who enjoy the "pleasures" of life, have been abundant and the best part, is that it hasn't ended yet.

With a few more days on the clock, a gal sleeping in my bed as we speak who has a huge rack, tiny figure, and treated me like she wanted nothing else but for us to get naked when we got back to the room.

I must say, life is good... When the biggest complaint is what we are going to do tonight, and on this trip, we introduced something a little different... in my mid-30's and being one of the "young guys", the trip was highlighted, not only the plethora of absolutely amazing field of talent in our purview, but the youth that was reinserted into many of our lives, where we the energy of the gals, made us all feel like we were on date night on a Saturday night after the local high school football games, with gals who this time didn't expect much, poured your tea, got your jacket and truly enjoyed the night of relaxation and fun like little teenagers.. we went of all things... bowling last night.

In all, this trip has been one of the books. Fortunately for me, my language skills have helped guide our way, but the path has been beaten by the "experience" we've all shared on our March 2008 trip. I must also mention a chance meeting with Santa, who I was happy to have met. Didn't get to spend too much time with Santa, but an honor, nonetheless.

As an inside joke, I'll be expecting Christmas cards - 2008 - Merry Xmas from CP.

Tonight is my last night... better make the best of it.

-Jettsetter...

[WhosWho]

Hi all,

How far is it from CP to GZ?

Do you know any good 5* hotels in CP that offer a shuttle bus to the canton fair?

Cheers
WW

[Fast Eddie 48]

Hi all,

How far is it from CP to GZ?

Do you know any good 5* hotels in CP that offer a shuttle bus to the canton fair?

Cheers,

WWWW,

Take the train is fastest but Hui mei offer shuttle bus train only take bout 35 min GZ main station and take taxi or the Subway to the fair .

Fast eddie 48

[SE Asia Joe]

First post on this SN, but not my first report, buggered (excuse the pun) up my login details and can't seem to recover my pasword on my regular SN. Just a few points in my defense. Both where free bees (as such mormal incidentals as always incured). New about the next day troubles as was with them.
OK You got me - but what is SN??!! I've even looked up in wikipedia and the ISG abbreviations but cain't find nuthin'
And OK - I ain't doubtin' you but YES I AM doubtin' you! You trying to tell us that not only were these gals friggin' anal VIRGINS, they were FREEBIES?? come on man - you another Fabio look-alike?
ALL the freebies I've had always try to make themselves seem to be as conservative as they could make themselves be - and damn if I know any freebies who would do a double banger.
and Wadman

Calm down, Joe. In China35's defence, he never did screw them in the ass. He had "a very small toy", and the tip (of something) in there. So it was more like ATTEMPTED anal, not actual anal. Finger up the girl's ass is reasonably common, maybe 1 out of 3 or 4.
hmmmmm... you really are an axxhole.....guy ain'tcha?! Yes, I know I know, you (and of course I) certainly wouldn't mind getting more axxhole action - but where to find??? And No - it ain't gonna come from China35 as I realy really do think he's smoking some funny tebacci. And NO, he did say he actually screwed the first one up the brown alley.
China35 - just like wadman and I - you're probably 'wishin' that you could get more anal action in China (and hoping that your post will 'reveal' more info on how to get such from other mongers here!) - but hey, as far as I know, the only anal action I've ever gotten here is by good luck, accident, or from really really "committed" WG's!
SE Asia Joe

[Old Mean Dog]

OK You got me - but what is SN??!! I've even looked up in wikipedia and the ISG abbreviations but cain't find nuthin'
And OK - I ain't doubtin' you but YES I AM doubtin' you! You trying to tell us that not only were these gals friggin' anal VIRGINS, they were FREEBIES?? come on man - you another Fabio look-alike?
ALL the freebies I've had always try to make themselves seem to be as conservative as they could make themselves be - and damn if I know any freebies who would do a double banger.
and Wadman

hmmmmm... you really are an axxhole.....guy ain'tcha?! Yes, I know I know, you (and of course I) certainly wouldn't mind getting more axxhole action - but where to find??? And No - it ain't gonna come from China35 as I realy really do think he's smoking some funny tebacci. And NO, he did say he actually screwed the first one up the brown alley.
China35 - just like wadman and I - you're probably 'wishin' that you could get more anal action in China (and hoping that your post will 'reveal' more info on how to get such from other mongers here!) - but hey, as far as I know, the only anal action I've ever gotten here is by good luck, accident, or from really really "committed" WG's!
SE Asia Joe

I think Fast Eddie knows some Viet girl in CP who does anal. Problem is, if she one of the few who does do it, you can probably park a car in there.

Yeah, it is somewhat unlikely that this fella scores not just one, but 2 freebies that will take it in back door on the first date. Then again, maybe he is Fabio or he wishes to divulge his "Senior" handle to confirm he is a straight shooter, rather than some bullshitter sitting in his mobile home in Bumfuck Arkansas.

-CPE

[Old Mean Dog]

Hi all,

How far is it from CP to GZ?

Do you know any good 5* hotels in CP that offer a shuttle bus to the canton fair?

Cheers
WW

No hotels in CP, just bamboo huts.

I don't know of any shuttle buses going to the Canton Fair from CP, but I could be wrong on this. Last year, most people I met, just took train to GZ then bus, subway or taxi to the fair.

-CPE

[SE Asia Joe]

No hotels in CP, just bamboo huts.

I don't know of any shuttle buses going to the Canton Fair from CP, but I could be wrong on this. Last year, most people I met, just took train to GZ then bus, subway or taxi to the fair.

-CPE
And even if there were shutle buses CP - GZ trade fair - it would probably take at least a couple hours to reach - whilst the CRH train will get you in to GZ within half an hour.
OTH - I do wish that these GZ trade fair guys would NOT come down to CP to stay - really screws up the demand/supply, hotel rooms and overall ambience of CP! You know, wanting 5 star hotels and all that - whilst the best we've got here is the "Executive Class" bamboo huts with attached hole in the ground toilet.
SE Asia Joe

[SE Asia Joe]

Oyoh Santa, PointPanic, Moody et al - and if your'e still there - Freepeaks, jettsetter etc - I'll be up there in CP mid afternoon. Save me a couple space at the KTV and SANTA please do NOT keep all the nice ones at the BBS all to yourself! BEHAVE!
SE Asia Joe

[WhosWho]

Thanks for all the advice.

Looks like it's a bit too far away to stay, so SE Asia Joe gets his wish!!

I've stayed in a lot worse than bamboo huts - got kicked out of the house once on a cold winters night for being so drunk and slept in a 6' x 3' kennel with the dog!!!

WW

P.S: Looking for advice over on the Guangzhou forum for a good Sauna in that city. All advice greatly welcomed...

[Bob Sacamano]

OK You got me - but what is SN??!! I've even looked up in wikipedia and the ISG abbreviations but cain't find nuthin'I think SN means screen name.

[Freepeaks]

I know this has been said before, but Jojo really is very cute.

She was far cuter than her girls but shy about being told it. Piaoliang is about all my chinese but made her blush anyway. me and santa got a good laugh about it though.

Boy wouldn't that be somethin'

[Fast Eddie 48]

No hotels in CP, just bamboo huts.

I don't know of any shuttle buses going to the Canton Fair from CP, but I could be wrong on this. Last year, most people I met, just took train to GZ then bus, subway or taxi to the fair.

-CPECPE /WW,

The bamboo huts sauna in CP offer FS if you go to a 5 star hotel in Guangzhou you will only get a HJ and it will cost you double.

Fast eddie 48

[Fast Eddie 48]

I think Fast Eddie knows some Viet girl in CP who does anal. Problem is, if she one of the few who does do it, you can probably park a car in there.

Yeah, it is somewhat unlikely that this fella scores not just one, but 2 freebies that will take it in back door on the first date. Then again, maybe he is Fabio or he wishes to divulge his "Senior" handle to confirm he is a straight shooter, rather than some bullshitter sitting in his mobile home in Bumfuck Arkansas.

-CPECPE,

I think you got me mix up with some one else, I never got any back door actions in china and never done any Viet in china but I have done a back door with a viet in Phonm penh once but anal or ar it not on top of my list.

Fast eddie 48

[Dan Hawaii]

You know, wanting 5 star hotels and all that - whilst the best we've got here is the "Executive Class" bamboo huts with attached hole in the ground toilet.
SE Asia Joe
Where is this Joe, last time in January, I had to go out into the cold to my outhouse. Was damn freezing, balls all shriveled up. Come on man, share the wealth!!!

BTW, coming to CP again March 27 to April 8....yes so soon. I minus as well just live there already. Spending so much money on airfare and traveling a whole day just to get there, makes me think, "wtf I'm I doing?? I should move house/country." ;) One day I'll be that lucky.

Traveling with 2 regulars and 1 newbie. Then off to PI again. Why am I going to PI???? Good question. I don't know.

[Dan Hawaii]

Thanks for all the advice.

Looks like it's a bit too far away to stay, so SE Asia Joe gets his wish!!

I've stayed in a lot worse than bamboo huts - got kicked out of the house once on a cold winters night for being so drunk and slept in a 6' x 3' kennel with the dog!!!

WW

P.S: Looking for advice over on the Guangzhou forum for a good Sauna in that city. All advice greatly welcomed...
WW,
I feel you about sleeping with doggy, so here is some help... there are only 1 or 2 - 5 star hotels in CP, I only know of Crown Prince and the next closest is GoodView, to my knowledge, I might be wrong. Take the train, only take 30 minutes from CP to GZ. Makes you think why the taxi ride take over 2 hours. Like the train has a magic portal. But the shitty thing is, sometimes you need to wait for your train for hours. Good to get a train schedule so you can avoid the wait, but tickets can get sold out also.

[LuvAsianGirls]

Forgive me for asking a question that might sound stupid/silly to some of you senior mongers to CP. But I am a newbie to mongering in China.

When is the Canton fair, and does it have some influence (supply and demand) on the mongering scene in CP?

I will be in CP March 24th until March 31st. Staying at Miraton. First trip to China and I planning to have loads of fun, or at least empy some loads. BBS and KTVs, I'll see what happens. Arriving at HK airport and taking the bus from there to CP (thanks to good advice from some of you guys).

Thank you guys for a lot of great information given from y'all on this board.

Sincerely,

LAG

[Lex Moon]

WW,

The easiest and fastest way to go Cantonfair from CP is by train & then subway (Metro). Take taxi from your CP hotel to CP train station. Upon arrival to GZ train station, follow the sign to the Metro (about 20m to your left) in the same building.
You can also avoid waiting in the train station by buying the ticket in advance (1 day). If you buy advance ticket, make sure you get the 1st class. If not, you may end up standing for 25 mins.
Hope this is helpful and have fun in CP.

[SE Asia Joe]

ww,

the easiest and fastest way to go cantonfair from cp is by train & then subway (metro). take taxi from your cp hotel to cp train station. upon arrival to gz train station, follow the sign to the metro (about 20m to your left) in the same building.
you can also avoid waiting in the train station by buying the ticket in advance (1 day). if you buy advance ticket, make sure you get the 1st class. if not, you may end up standing for 25 mins.
hope this is helpful and have fun in cp.
errr... first class?? no no, this was the case - but nowadays on the crh hi-speed trains nobody bothers with classes and just jump on the next one as it runs about every half hour or so and travels at up to 200 kmh so the journey is only 30 or so minutes (not sure if there is even still 1st and 2nd class etc any more!) route is sz-dgg-gz (gz east station). from there, make sure you get on line 1 to xilang, off at gongyuanqian where you can either take the taxi or interchange towards sanyuanli/gz (main) train station, and get off yuexiu park - closest to the trade fair.
se asia joe

[SE Asia Joe]

I know this has been said before, but Jojo really is very cute.

She was far cuter than her girls but shy about being told it. Piaoliang is about all my chinese but made her blush anyway. me and santa got a good laugh about it though.

Boy wouldn't that be somethin'

OK - so we all agree "braces" JoJo IS VERY CUTE. I personally would LOOOOVE to nail her - but - how to do? OK all you Momma boys - anyone of you ever done her? If so, howzabout sharing the wealth?
If not - howzabout a competition? Anybody who nails her and can prove it I'd spring for a dozen condoms. Either the American sized one from mailordercondoms or made in Japan .003 Okamoto's - your choice!
Further prize donations to make the stakes more worthwhile definitely most welcome!
SE Asia Joe

[Old Mean Dog]

I know this has been said before, but Jojo really is very cute.

She was far cuter than her girls but shy about being told it. Piaoliang is about all my chinese but made her blush anyway. me and santa got a good laugh about it though.

Boy wouldn't that be somethin'

She is a cutie and even Angel, who is her elder sister is not so bad either.

Now in Jojo's defense:

I have known Jojo for quite a long time, even developed a friendship with her "outside" the mongering scene. I would safely say 99.99% of her clients, will never even get the chance to sample her honeypot.

Though she is somewhat forced to work there and is a happy girl most of the time, she does not approve of what we do and has said it numerous times, finds our hobby to be somewhat........dirty.

She wants a real bf/gf relationship that will lead to marriage (i.e. love here fellas), he must be close to her age (20 yoa), most likely Chinese and in no way a monger, especially one who is a client of hers.

I think if you want to have a competition for her, it is worth far more than a box of rubbers.

-CPE

BTW: SE Asia Joe, how is anyone gonna prove it and does that include past tense?

[Old Mean Dog]

But the shitty thing is, sometimes you need to wait for your train for hours. Good to get a train schedule so you can avoid the wait, but tickets can get sold out also.

Eh? There is a train approx. every 25 minutes, going either way.

There is no assigned seating in second class from CP, just a car designation, which nobody gives a shit about. Push and Shove, every man for himself.

Always opt for 1st Class!! You are assigned a seat and it's just a few coins more.

-CPE

BTW: For those interested, it is Dongguan Station, not CP Station. CP Station is CP East!

It is Luohu Station (i.e. Shenzhen)-Zhangmutou-Dongguan (i.e. CP)-Shilong-GZ East-GZ Station......not all trains stop at every station.

[Kef321]

Dan,

We've met in Jan in CP (via Jim) and what a coincident that I'm going back in first week of April. PM me your contact details and I'll send you some pics.


Where is this Joe, last time in January, I had to go out into the cold to my outhouse. Was damn freezing, balls all shriveled up. Come on man, share the wealth!!!

BTW, coming to CP again March 27 to April 8....yes so soon. I minus as well just live there already. Spending so much money on airfare and traveling a whole day just to get there, makes me think, "wtf I'm I doing?? I should move house/country." ;) One day I'll be that lucky.

Traveling with 2 regulars and 1 newbie. Then off to PI again. Why am I going to PI???? Good question. I don't know.

[Dan Hawaii]

Eh? There is a train approx. every 25 minutes, going either way.

There is no assigned seating in second class from CP, just a car designation, which nobody gives a shit about. Push and Shove, every man for himself.

Always opt for 1st Class!! You are assigned a seat and it's just a few coins more.

-CPE

BTW: For those interested, it is Dongguan Station, not CP Station. CP Station is CP East!

It is Luohu Station (i.e. Shenzhen)-Zhangmutou-Dongguan (i.e. CP)-Shilong-GZ East-GZ Station......not all trains stop at every station.

My bad, I thought things were the same in both directions, because when I arrived in GZ airport, I took a taxi to the train station. I don't know which one it was but it costed around 100 rmb or was it 150 rmb by taxi. Then I got a train ticket to DG, and I had to wait a couple of hours for my train. Wonder where I was.

[OldAsiaHand]

CP is really not a convenient place to stay for the Canton Fair. It will take at least an hour each way by the time you take the train and the metro. I suggest all BSD stay at the China Hotel or Shangri-La which are both within walking distance of the respective fairgrounds. There are plenty of overpriced WGs close-by that you can throw money at for FS.

Just my POV.

OAH

[Dan Hawaii]

Dan,

We've met in Jan in CP (via Jim) and what a coincident that I'm going back in first week of April. PM me your contact details and I'll send you some pics.
Yo, I tried to PM you but it does not work, maybe you need to pay Jackson??? Who are you and where did we meet?? Sorry, but I met a lot of people that trip.

[MailOrderCondoms]

OK - so we all agree "braces" JoJo IS VERY CUTE. I personally would LOOOOVE to nail her - but - how to do? OK all you Momma boys - anyone of you ever done her? If so, howzabout sharing the wealth?

If not - howzabout a competition? Anybody who nails her and can prove it I'd spring for a dozen condoms. Either the American sized one from mailordercondoms or made in Japan .003 Okamoto's - your choice!

Further prize donations to make the stakes more worthwhile definitely most welcome!

SE Asia JoeGood idea Joe, I'll throw a dozen of 56mm Durex "Extra Sensitive" in to make it more worthwile.

[SE Asia Joe]

Here I am with a bunch of real wankers at the Peninsula KTV! Cannot believe this.... AG, Pointpanic AKA waikiki Bob, Blacklisted,Pleassure dude, Santa, tightway, Headway... all getting drunk out of their mind and going to waste their money when they pay for the girls and can't get it up. WANKERS!!!
Se asia Joe

[OfficeXP]

I will be visiting China in April during the HK fairs and Cantoon, seeking like minded visitors to evening entertainment , for visitng KTV ect.

Get Back to me Thx,

Will post some pics form last visit.

[Old Mean Dog]

I will be visiting China in April during the HK fairs and Cantoon, seeking like minded visitors to evening entertainment , for visitng KTV ect.

Get Back to me Thx,

Will post some pics form last visit.

Try posting on the Guangzhou thread, might get more hits over there.

-CPE

[Old Mean Dog]

Here I am with a bunch of real wankers at the Peninsula KTV! Cannot believe this.... AG, Pointpanic AKA waikiki Bob, Blacklisted,Pleassure dude, Santa, tightway, Headway... all getting drunk out of their mind and going to waste their money when they pay for the girls and can't get it up. WANKERS!!!
Se asia Joe

Poor Joe, sitting in the KTV room, playing on the computer rather than playing with girls.....I feel for ya brother.

-CPE

[Phil1980]

I plan to go to CP end of May or beginning of June for a couple of days. If anyone is interested in meeting up, maybe having dinner or getting a beer or two or three and going for some entertainment, send me a PM.

I prefer places that aren't very expensive.

[Benjoe]

How do you get to Changping from the Hong Kong airport? How long does it take? Where did you get your Visa -- USA or Hong Kong? Did you use ATMs to get yuan in Changping? Did you bring an unlocked cell phone and is buying a chip simple with no dealing with bureaucracy? Many thanks for testing your patience.

[Weelock]

How do you get to Changping from the Hong Kong airport? How long does it take? Where did you get your Visa -- USA or Hong Kong? Did you use ATMs to get yuan in Changping? Did you bring an unlocked cell phone and is buying a chip simple with no dealing with bureaucracy? Many thanks for testing your patience.

You can get to CP by reading the China forum and using the search function first.

1. How to get from Airport to CP, bus, taxi, train.
2. Get money from ATM or exchange money.
3. What Cell phone, GSM, TDMA, Tridband, quadband ?
4. Which is the best 5 star hotel or cheap hotel for me.
5. Pricing stucture
6. Cost for Visa, $100USD

These questions has been answered many times. Biggest problem is the Chinese language. Last, please respect their culture and people. It's their country and you are a guess. I have seem too many bad foreigners ( tourists )who think they own everything visting other countries.

[Jettsetter]

You can get to CP by reading the China forum and using the search function first.

1. How to get from Airport to CP, bus, taxi, train.
2. Get money from ATM or exchange money.
3. What Cell phone, GSM, TDMA, Tridband, quadband ?
4. Which is the best 5 star hotel or cheap hotel for me.
5. Pricing stucture
6. Cost for Visa, $100USD

These questions has been answered many times. Biggest problem is the Chinese language. Last, please respect their culture and people. It's their country and you are a guess. I have seem too many bad foreigners ( tourists )who think they own everything visting other countries.

In my opinion, unless you know someone or can speak the language, getting by without a guide or someone who really knows the ropes is really hard. The experiences are night and day between those who know where to go, speak the language or have someone who takes them around and those who have mongered in PI or Thailand and think that they can come to China for the same experience...

Frankly put, you can't. You will get laid, that's not the issue, but your experience, not only with the girl, but your general one in china, between where to go, getting around, and the convenience of looking for a fricken bathroom will be greatly impacted by your ability to communicate.

I'm sure there are those of you who have braved it, done it, and have done "fine" by your standards... but I'm sure the success is far and few between the frustrated.

I don't know, tell me I'm wrong, but I've had friends with limited language skills have the most horrible time, then when they went with people who knew how to get around, had contacts and knew where to go... and have a 180 experience.

Just be aware of these issues... Virtually nobody in CP speaks english and it's not going to change anytime soon.

Beijing, Shanghai, are different stories... even GZ maybe more adaptable to foreigners, but CP is not... definitely not even close.

Those are my thoughts...

-Jettsetter...

[Phil1980]

In my opinion, unless you know someone or can speak the language, getting by without a guide or someone who really knows the ropes is really hard. The experiences are night and day between those who know where to go, speak the language or have someone who takes them around and those who have mongered in PI or Thailand and think that they can come to China for the same experience...



Writing as somebody who over the past years has advanced from knowing basically no Chinese to an upper intermediate level I concur.

The less Chinese you know, the more you get ripped off at every occasion, not only with girls, but also hotels, restaurants, taxis, merchants etc. You can't even effectively complain about it or haggle with whoever is trying to rip you off.

Evidence of this are the frequent reports on here of (typically Western men with no Chinese-language abilities) paying 1000 RMB or so for sex.

[Weelock]

Writing as somebody who over the past years has advanced from knowing basically no Chinese to an upper intermediate level I concur.

The less Chinese you know, the more you get ripped off at every occasion, not only with girls, but also hotels, restaurants, taxis, merchants etc. You can't even effectively complain about it or haggle with whoever is trying to rip you off.

Evidence of this are the frequent reports on here of (typically Western men with no Chinese-language abilities) paying 1000 RMB or so for sex.

Actually, the hotels and restaurant are not going to rip you off. Reason, hotels and restaurant staff don't get a cut from the money. What might happen they might not tell you of special rates or deals but they will not do it intentually. Deals like some hotels you can get a discount by a business rate but there is a contract you have to sign.

Now for taxis and private merchants is a different story but this is no different from other countries. The worst place to be a tourist is France. Taxis in France will really give you a ride. For merchants, I have friends who told me after buying something, they ignored them and didn't give back their change. Don’t ever tell you’re an American in France. And Yes, most girls will try to getting away by ripping you off if they can asking for more money.

Overall, in my opinion, most Chinese people are very friendly towards foreigners. So far majority of the foreigners visting China are for business. They are educated and smart.

Now in my opinion, it's most of the damn stupid tourist who cause most of the problems visting other countries. Most don't respect the people, customs and culture.

[Old Mean Dog]

In my opinion, unless you know someone or can speak the language, getting by without a guide or someone who really knows the ropes is really hard.

I also agree with ya 100%. If you don't speak a little of the language and know how things work in China.....stay the fuck out of places like CP and stick to the major cities like GZ, SZ and ZH in South China.

As Jet has said, you might get a shot, but unless you are just some fiend, how memorable (not to mention difficult) of an experience will it really be if you can't even have basic communication with anyone here, including the girl you want to bang?

You can still get a nut in the larger cities and even have a much better time overall, since communication will be far more easier. Sure, you might pay a little more, but WTF, you only come once or twice a year, if that.

CP is not Cebu or Bangkok.

My PoV

-CPE

[Weelock]

In my opinion, unless you know someone or can speak the language, getting by without a guide or someone who really knows the ropes is really hard. The experiences are night and day between those who know where to go, speak the language or have someone who takes them around and those who have mongered in PI or Thailand and think that they can come to China for the same experience...
-cut-


Yes, I agree. It is possible but very difficult if you can't speak the language. There are a few ISG guys who have done it without any help just by reading the forum and they don't speak any Chinese. China is not like PI or Thailand, very few people can speak English.

There are problems with showing newbies around. I have heard some bad stories from other monger stationed in China. I don't want to getting into details because they might be reading and get upset. But overall, if any problem happens, they expect you, the guide who speaks Chinese or knows the routine, to get them out of trouble. Another example are newbies asking to book hotels at a discount rate and not showing up. This has happened serveral times now by a few newbies. I know one old timer who doesn't show newbies around anymore because problems happen too often.

When meeting with a newbie or anybody the first time, you don't know anything about him. Is he a murder, a pedifile, into animals? I remember some racist guy from the PI asking info about Shanghai. He was thinking about coming over to China. I think he finally got banned. But overall, most ISG members are great guys and you develop a good friendship.

[Fast Eddie 48]

Actually, the hotels and restaurant are not going to rip you off. Reason, hotels and restaurant staff don't get a cut from the money. What might happen they might not tell you of special rates or deals but they will not do it on intentually. Deals like some hotels you can get a discount by a business rate but there is a contract you have to sign.

Now for taxis and private merchants is a different story but this is no different from other countries. The worst place to be a tourist is France. Taxis in France will really give you a ride. For merchants, I have friends who told me after buying something, they ignored them and didn't give back their change. Don’t ever tell you’re an American in France. And Yes, most girls will try to getting away by ripping you off if they can asking for more money.

Overall, in my opinion, most Chinese people are very friendly towards foreigners. So far majority of the foreigners visting China are for business. They are educated and smart.

Now in my opinion, it's most of the damn stupid tourist who cause most of the problems visting other countries who don't respect the people, customs and culture.Weelock,

Bull shit hotel and resturant don't rip you off , I have got short change and add charge on item at resturant many time at CP after compalin they just make the correction no question ask and I speak chinese they try to cheat me .

I have see hotel tell Lawei newbie only suite avalible and a regular HK customer got a standard room for half the cost a night after him and most newbie don't know better and get rip off all the time and I am sure you have been rip off before first time you are at CP and don't even know until now .

Fast eddie 48

[Bnlee2]

Yes, I agree. It is possible but very difficult if you can't speak the language. There are a few ISG guys who have done it without any help just by reading the forum. China is not like PI or Thailand. Very few people can speak English.

There are problems with showing newbies around. I have heard some bad stories from other monger stationed in China about some newbies. ....

Here is one of the problem of a newbie. Two years ago, my colleague's friend tag along on one of his business trip to china. This guy was truly a newbie and a bit of an idiot.

To make a long story short. this guy/newbie that tag along was a seventy two year old white dude. When we took him to some of the ktvs' in sha tsui, it was like a kid in a candy store. He did seven gals in three days and on the fourth day, he was in a hospital with IV sticking in to his arm. what a total fool. when he got out, i had his airticket change and put him on the first flight outta there. Seven gals in three days... the dude was nuts...

Pace yourself. When he saw sha Tsui he thought he was in paradise. Those were the glorious days of sha tsui when there were couple of thousand girls running around the village.

btw... this guy...all he knew in chinese was ni hao... but he knew how to tip these gals. by the end of the first day.... they were looking for him and his rmb.

[SE Asia Joe]

here is one of the problem of a newbie.
btw... this guy...all he knew in chinese was ni hao... but he knew how to tip these gals. by the end of the first day.... they were looking for him and his rmb.
actually i don't have any particular problem with newbies (remember you and i and all of us here were newbies once and remains newbies at new locations!). my pet peeve are the big swinging dicks - a subject discussed quite extensively just about in every thread - but one that i feel particularly applies in cp. the loud and demanding, the know-it-alls, the money flashers, the swaggerer with an inappropriate beauty on his arms, the ones demanding - and being abusive to the gal/momma - special services, photos, time he feels 'entitled' to, etc etc of all color, creed and socio-economic status. in other words, the assholes that is present in all strata of society.
such bsd trash are particularly galling when the economic divide between the have's (and for some of these guys who're in cp - probably "barely haves") and the have-nots (these gals who barely have any other means of survival - and thus have to resort to being what they are) is so great.
se asia joe

[Weelock]

With the Canton Fair coming in April, and like every year, guys will be asking basic questions in ISG. Like before, most will over pay and give a bad impression to the girls they can get more from foreigners than from regulars. When she gets back to the BBS or KTV, she will brag about how she got something like $2000RMB tip from a stupid foreigner and both only meeting once or twice. This is true, some ISG guy did give a huge tip at a KTV in Dongguan. Hint: Oh, What a Liar.

[Weelock]

Weelock,

Bull shit hotel and resturant don't rip you off , I have got short change and add charge on item at resturant many time at CP after compalin they just make the correction no question ask and I speak chinese they try to cheat me .

I have see hotel tell Lawei newbie only suite avalible and a regular HK customer got a standard room for half the cost a night after him and most newbie don't know better and get rip off all the time and I am sure you have been rip off before first time you are at CP and don't even know until now .

Fast eddie 48

I hard to believe the hotel and resturant staff do it intentually because they don't have monatary gains. It might be a simple honest mistake and they are not doing it on purpose. It might also be carelessness. Now for taxis and merchant are different. I'm talking about in general, you have to worry more about getting cheated by taxis and by private merchants.

[SE Asia Joe]

Like before, most will over pay and give a bad impression to the girls they can get more from foreigners than from regulars. When she gets back to the BBS or KTV, she will brag about how she got something like $2000RMB tip from a stupid foreigner. Both only met once or twice. This is true, some ISG guy did give a huge tip at a KTV in Dongguan. Hint: Oh, What a Laugh.
talking about "large"tips - they don';t do nuthin' in China exceptin' making you have less RMB's to spend!

A couple months ago I had an exceptionally good looking and relatively new gal from Wenzhou who gave me excellent, AAA rated and enthusiastic service. So good was she that I even asked her to join me and other CP regular mongers for dinner and then gave her an exceptionally large tip - at least for me (And NO, please don't ask how much - I don't want to embarrass myself and having to defend that I either underpaid (cheap charly) or overpaid (BSD)!!).

Anyway, who do I see last Saturday at the new R2? Her of course - only this time she was a whole lot more sophisticated and made up etc. Picked her and she was totally blank as to who I was. I told her I had her before and she said No, no way and really had no recollection whatsoever that she was with me previously all the way back to the Hotel. (Oh poor me - did I really perform THAT lousy??!!).

And it was not until I uploaded my camera and showed her pictures of herself that she then remembered. She even marvelled at how much weight she'd gain (Yeah - to me maximum 2 lbs!) and how the pictures recorded her tea-stain spot so remarkably well.

And to make matters worse, not only was her service now quite terrible - hell, she even wouldn't let me take anything but fully clothed pictures whilst her previous pictures were VERY graphic and had captured her doing all sorts of things. SHEEEEIT!

The morale of this diatribe?? NEVER give too big a xiao fei!

SE Asia Joe

[Old Mean Dog]

actually i don't have any particular problem with newbies (remember you and i and all of us here were newbies once and remains newbies at new locations!). my pet peeve are the big swinging dicks - a subject discussed quite extensively just about in every thread - but one that i feel particularly applies in cp. the loud and demanding, the know-it-alls, the money flashers, the swaggerer with an inappropriate beauty on his arms, the ones demanding - and being abusive to the gal/momma - special services, photos, time he feels 'entitled' to, etc etc of all color, creed and socio-economic status. in other words, the assholes that is present in all strata of society.
such bsd trash are particularly galling when the economic divide between the have's (and for some of these guys who're in cp - probably "barely haves") and the have-nots (these gals who barely have any other means of survival - and thus have to resort to being what they are) is so great.
se asia joe

pussy is pussy, they can get it in gz , sz or zh just as well as cp.

what it boils down to is if they want to enjoy their time here while getting some honeypot or struggle with daily shit like even trying to order food. after all, you can't bang 24/7 (dan hawaii might be the exception). i am certainly not a tour guide nor do i run a charity travel agency here. friends i will help, all the rest can just go elsewhere.

my pov

-cpe

[Pointpanic]

I also agree with ya 100%. If you don't speak a little of the language and know how things work in China.....stay the fuck out of places like CP and stick to the major cities like GZ, SZ and ZH in South China.

As Jet has said, you might get a shot, but unless you are just some fiend, how memorable (not to mention difficult) of an experience will it really be if you can't even have basic communication with anyone here, including the girl you want to bang?

You can still get a nut in the larger cities and even have a much better time overall, since communication will be far more easier. Sure, you might pay a little more, but WTF, you only come once or twice a year, if that.

CP is not Cebu or Bangkok.

My PoV

-CPE

You are absolutely right. We went to CP with a client who spoke Mandarin and Cantonese and knew CP. He showed us how it worked but it would be very difficult to function for many days without a Chinese speaking person.

Making reservations, getting vans, making contracts for vans, making reservations in KTVs, talking to girls in KTVs or giving times and dates for appointments or even ordering food is tough without knowing mandarin.
This is not Thailand or Philippines. Maybe that is great because it might keep many mongerers from coming to China.

[SE Asia Joe]

You are absolutely right. We went to CP with a client who spoke Mandarin and Cantonese and knew CP. He showed us how it worked but it would be very difficult to function for many days without a Chinese speaking person.

Maybe that is great because it might keep many mongerers from coming to China.
Oh come-on Pointpanic - you're just being modest. Such a hansum, great sun tanned gentleman as yourself is welcome ANYWHERE..... errr...only just don't forget your wallet!
SE Asia

[SE Asia Joe]

Pussy is Pussy, they can get it in GZ , SZ or ZH just as well as CP.

What it boils down to is if they want to enjoy their time here while getting some honeypot or struggle with daily shit like even trying to order food. After all, you can't bang 24/7 (Dan Hawaii might be the exception). I am certainly not a tour guide nor do I run a charity travel agency here. Friends I will help, all the rest can just go elsewhere.

My PoV

-CPE
Huh? What mean you?
Me talk me no like BSD!
SE Asia Joe

[Jettsetter]

And it was not until I uploaded my camera and showed her pictures of herself that she then remembered. She even marvelled at how much weight she'd gain (Yeah - to me maximum 2 lbs!) and how the pictures recorded her tea-stain spot so remarkably well.


SE Asia Joe

Hilarious.

Anybody who thinks they are the only one for a working gal is really fooling themselves IMHO. These gals are good at what they do, and while some do honestly and genuinely like you, you are, after all, one of many... Even those who aren't "working" on an on-going basis, unless you are their SUGAR DADDY BOYFRIEND (and even those - I know from talking to them fool their SUGAR DADDY's fool around on the side), have things going on, on the side.

I speak from personal experience by talking and seeing gals which I saw maybe 6 months ago, and having them not remember who I was. I really don't care, I actually don't remember many of the girls I've been with either, unless I spent a few days with them, so I say quid pro quo.

Point being, let's none of us get fooled... I've known some guys who've ended up buying cows for their "gf" in Thailand, sent money for "mom in the hospital" and all sorts of things that they ended up finding out was just a scam to let you part ways with your hard earned $$$.

If I get great service, and the girl is great, then I throw a few more $$$ at them. If I don't, then I won't... I keep it simple. I'm not looking for another wife, I'm just looking to live out certain fantasies.

I know Pointpanic had an experience with a gal who had no idea who he was. Perhaps she was just embarrassed to admit knowing him after she had been with me for the night, but heck, I wouldn't be surprised. Either way, he described her to a T, so I had no doubt that he "knew" her.

Hahaha... I just don't think about the sheer numbers these girls go through... Ignorance is bliss for me in that category.

-Jettsetter

[SE Asia Joe]

a seventy two year old white dude. When we took him to some of the ktvs' in sha tsui, it was like a kid in a candy store. He did seven gals in three days and ...
somebody here.... please remind me of this when I get to be 72!!

On the other hand - Id say "More Power" and "Hyo Silver-hair" to this guy - never mind what the result. Hell, it'd be a helluva way to go I'd say!!

Forget anywhere else - Our wonderful gals in China are the only ones truly NOT Age bigotted!!

SE Asia Joe

[Wadman]

somebody here.... please remind me of this when I get to be 72!!


Which you will be soon :-)

[Cowa Banga]

Weelock,

"Last, please respect their culture and people. It's their country and you are a guess. I have seem too many bad foreigners (tourists)who think they own everything visting other countries. " Good point. Just a guess here but most of these guys who act like knuckleheads or who think they are bullet proof are the same guys who love the Philippines or Thailand. The Chinese don't take shit like the Thais and Flips. Different country and different people.

[Prince2]

Hey Fellas

Slightly off topic i know but what are the best places in town to do a bit of shopping. I am really after ladies/mens clothes, (fakes and local brands) fake leather goods and dvds. I've had a search on the board but did not come up with anything. I have read that Humen is the centre of the textile industry but i'm not sure how far it is from CP and the names of any retail shopping centres/streets

I'll be hitting CP on March 24th and will be camped in either the Miraton or walter for about 5 nights. If anyone wants to hook up give me a shout

Cheers Guys

[Jettsetter]

Hey Fellas

Slightly off topic i know but what are the best places in town to do a bit of shopping. I am really after ladies/mens clothes, (fakes and local brands) fake leather goods and dvds. I've had a search on the board but did not come up with anything. I have read that Humen is the centre of the textile industry but i'm not sure how far it is from CP and the names of any retail shopping centres/streets

I'll be hitting CP on March 24th and will be camped in either the Miraton or walter for about 5 nights. If anyone wants to hook up give me a shout

Cheers Guys

Shenzhen or GZ are the two best places that I've seen.. whole centers full of the stuff...

The place I saw a ton of good stuff was "Bai Yun World Skin has Trade center Jie Fang bei Road in Guanzhou"

that's what the card says, i swear.


Good luck finding it.

[Weelock]

Two places I know are in Guangzhou Western Train Station and Humen. Both places are wholesale outlets for clothing but mostly for females. Some stores will not sell to you unless you buy something like 5 or more items.

Humen, Dongguan is 1.5 hour by bus from CP. You will stop by Houjie along the way. The best time to buy clothing is Nov and Dec. Now it’s just mostly summer stuff. The wholesale place is about a 5 min walk from the bus station in Humen.

The Guangzhou wholesale place is about 5 times large than the one in Humen. If you have time, I would go to Guangzhou wholesale outlet. Each time I went with a girl she brought tons of stuff for me to carry.


http://www.tsmtv.com/humen%20fashion/index.htm

http://www.newsgd.com/citiesandtowns/dongguan/news/200511100084.htm



Hey Fellas

Slightly off topic i know but what are the best places in town to do a bit of shopping. I am really after ladies/mens clothes, (fakes and local brands) fake leather goods and dvds. I've had a search on the board but did not come up with anything. I have read that Humen is the centre of the textile industry but i'm not sure how far it is from CP and the names of any retail shopping centres/streets

I'll be hitting CP on March 24th and will be camped in either the Miraton or walter for about 5 nights. If anyone wants to hook up give me a shout

Cheers Guys

[Fast Eddie 48]

I hard to believe the hotel and resturant staff do it intentually because they don't have monatary gains. It might be a simple honest mistake and they are not doing it on purpose. It might also be carelessness. Now for taxis and merchant are different. I'm talking about in general, you have to worry more about getting cheated by taxis and by private merchants.Weelock,

Don't be navie many newbie get rip off don't even know it ,even myself been rip off before many business owner in china are dishonest , when you go in to a resturant the person who wait on you can be the owner or the son and I know there are one resturant in cp that I been short change before and so did my friend and honest mistake don't happen all the time , maybe you are just a easy target or a like to get rip off.

Fast eddie 48

[Old Mean Dog]

for those of you who might be asking how is the internet speed in cp? well, i live just 5 minutes by taxi from the main area of town and pay 200 rmb a month for t2/m2 service:

http://www.speedtest.net/result/244807847.png

pure shit to say the least. hotel service is a little faster as they have the business account, but i don't want to have to shell out 1k a month for it.

-cpe

[Bill Lee]

try these sites and report back?

http://speedtest.nyc.rr.com/

http://www.vonage.com/help.php?article=497&category=46&nav=102

bill



for those of you who might be asking how is the internet speed in cp? well, i live just 5 minutes by taxi from the main area of town and pay 200 rmb a month for t2/m2 service:

http://www.speedtest.net/result/244807847.png

pure shit to say the least. hotel service is a little faster as they have the business account, but i don't want to have to shell out 1k a month for it.

-cpe

[Mike Dg]

pure shit to say the least. hotel service is a little faster as they have the business account, but i don't want to have to shell out 1k a month for it.
-cpeaccess to internet is especially in china very dynamically - fast in the morning hours, slow at evening. especially in china you get better results using a proxy server, like i use one in australia when in need.

more important than a fast link are good hardware/software settings. i am talking about your tcp/ip or mtu/rwin settings of your os. most factory settings are not adapt for your provider. e.g. mtu (packet size) is normally set at 1500, but in case of china telecom (dg) it should be 1492. a higher setting slows down your system as the package has to be defragmented. more details you can find at speedguide.net, dslreports.com and so on. just search for mtu/rwin or use proper tuning tools.

without proper hardware/software settings of your system, the fastest internet link will be like a lame duck.

conclusion, before blaming your provider i suggest you check your system settings.

m2c

mike

[Freepeaks]

There is a small outdoor market (2-3 streets) that sells stuff, but I didn't see alot of 'replicas' other than some wallets and belts. Walking from the Miraton, walk towards the Lucky up to the corner where the road goes left and right, make a right and then cross street about 200 yards down you will see a Bank of China across street. Go to left of bank of China and through the walkway entrance. Shops will be to your left and right on the next 3 streets.

They usually have flags hanging (triangles from a string) like a used car dealer and there are quite a few shops and sellers there. I know there is clothing, belts, wallets, luggage and probably with a little mandarin you might find some things to buy.

[Old Mean Dog]

try these sites and report back?

http://speedtest.nyc.rr.com/

http://www.vonage.com/help.php?article=497&category=46&nav=102

bill

ran both at 11:30 pm on tuesday evening.

time warner: download 127 kbps upload 295 kbps
vonage: download 101 kbps upload 284 kbps

they state broadband will be available soon in cp, but for now chinanet adsl is all we got and it's painful.

-cpe

[China35]

Weelock,

Don't be navie many newbie get rip off don't even know it ,even myself been rip off before many business owner in china are dishonest , when you go in to a resturant the person who wait on you can be the owner or the son and I know there are one resturant in cp that I been short change before and so did my friend and honest mistake don't happen all the time , maybe you are just a easy target or a like to get rip off.

Fast eddie 48Generally in my experiance most don't load the maddan, but if you don't check it is always possible, iems can be added if they think they can get away with it.

[Prince2]

[QUOTE=Weelock]Two places I know are in Guangzhou Western Train Station and Humen. Both places are wholesale outlets for clothing but mostly for females. Some stores will not sell to you unless you buy at least 5 or more items.

Humen, Dongguan is 1.5 hour by bus from CP. You will stop by Houjie along the way. The best time to buy clothing is Nov and Dec. Now it’s just mostly summer stuff. The wholesale place is about a 5 min walk from the bus station in Humen.

The Guangzhou wholesale place is about 5 times large than the one in Humen. If you have time, I would go to Guangzhou wholesale outlet. Each time I went with a girl she brought tons of stuff for me to carry.


http://www.tsmtv.com/humen%20fashion/index.htm

http://www.newsgd.com/citiesandtowns/dongguan/news/200511100084.htm[/QUOTE


Weelock

Thanks for the post. I have been to Guangzhou many times and i am familiar with the wholesale markets. I was just wondering what the shopping options are in CP itself, as this would save me the trip into Guangzhou and give me more time to hunt for female company :)

[Prince2]

Shenzhen or GZ are the two best places that I've seen.. whole centers full of the stuff...

The place I saw a ton of good stuff was "Bai Yun World Skin has Trade center Jie Fang bei Road in Guanzhou"

that's what the card says, i swear.


Good luck finding it.

Jettsetter

Thanks, do you have any info on shopping in CP?

cheers

[Fast Eddie 48]

Jettsetter

Thanks, do you have any info on shopping in CP?

cheersPrince2,

Well Prince you don't come to CP to shop for cloth you shop for p4p, Changping is just a small town in Dongguan, There is rainbow Department store across the st from the Miraton hotel and Lady st night market with cheap cloth at night across the from the lion hotel and a small mall and super market next to the lion hotel and not much else in this town but there are hundred of KTV, sauna and hotel all over town.

Fast Eddie 48

[Weelock]

[QUOTE=Weelock]Two places I know are in Guangzhou Western Train Station and Humen. Both places are wholesale outlets for clothing but mostly for females. Some stores will not sell to you unless you buy something like 5 or more items.

Humen, Dongguan is 1.5 hour by bus from CP. You will stop by Houjie along the way. The best time to buy clothing is Nov and Dec. Now it’s just mostly summer stuff. The wholesale place is about a 5 min walk from the bus station in Humen.

The Guangzhou wholesale place is about 5 times large than the one in Humen. If you have time, I would go to Guangzhou wholesale outlet. Each time I went with a girl she brought tons of stuff for me to carry.


http://www.tsmtv.com/humen%20fashion/index.htm

http://www.newsgd.com/citiesandtowns/dongguan/news/200511100084.htm[/QUOTE


Weelock

Thanks for the post. I have been to Guangzhou many times and i am familiar with the wholesale markets. I was just wondering what the shopping options are in CP itself, as this would save me the trip into Guangzhou and give me more time to hunt for female company :)


Since you are staying at the Miraton, there is a shopping center across the street above McDonalds.

Then there is a 3-4 story shopping center where I see a lot of the working girls. This one is near the Bank of China in CP, across the street from KFC. Basically, the whole area around Miraton heading towards Yanlan Area are shops.

I would still suggest going to Humen for a afternoon for shopping. I like seeing the pretty girls who work in the stores in Humen and only about 1.5 hours away.

[Prince2]

Prince2,

Well Prince you don't come to CP to shop for cloth you shop for p4p, Changping is just a small town in Dongguan, There is rainbow Department store across the st from the Miraton hotel and Lady st night market with cheap cloth at night across the from the lion hotel and a small mall and super market next to the lion hotel and not much else in this town but there are hundred of KTV, sauna and hotel all over town.

Fast Eddie 48

LOL Fella

Yes you are correct, and yes, i am going to CP for that very reason. I just thought i would get the low-down on other activities availble whilst i am recovering from busting a nut.

[Prince2]

[QUOTE=Prince2]


Since you are staying at the Miraton, there is a shopping center across the street above McDonalds.

Then there is a 3-4 story shopping center where I see a lot of the working girls. This one is near the Bank of China in CP, across the street from KFC. Basically, the whole area around Miraton heading towards Yanlan Area are shops.

I would still suggest going to Humen for a afternoon for shopping. I like seeing the pretty girls who work in the stores in Humen and only about 1.5 hours away.

Cheers weelock. I think i will give Humen a miss, 3 hours traveling will seriously eat into mongering time. Need to get my priorities right!

[Old Mean Dog]

LOL Fella

Yes you are correct, and yes, i am going to CP for that very reason. I just thought i would get the low-down on other activities availble whilst i am recovering from busting a nut.

If you are looking for Western clothing, CP is actually a pretty good place to be. I am a large Western guy and have found it difficult to obtain Western XL sizes in SZ and GZ (Chinese size is like XXXL and how many Chinese you see that big?), but CP has many factories so you get the spill overs here.

There is one decent shop at the train station, there is one across the street from the GZ/SZ Bus Station (next to China Construction Bank), there are numerous shops stocking Western clothing and footwear on the same street as the Mito Cafe and when you come to the red light, hang a right and walk up that street, you will find about a half dozen other shops on that street too.

This is 90% of the time authentic stuff that somehow missed the boat. Though the price might be a bit higher then Chinese brands, it is far less than what you would pay back home.

-CPE

[SE Asia Joe]

Been reading on that Eliot Spitzer's Emperor VIP club, and the rate for their 7 diamond gals are US$3,100/hour or US$31,000/day.
US$31,000 per day is approximately RMB200,000!! OHMIGAWD!!
You could get 400 KTV gals and/or at least 1,000 BBS gal for that money. I'd even think that any one of our beloved mei-mei's here would actually pack things up and retire with RMB200K in her pockets. INCREDDDDDDIBLE!!
No wonder there are so many BSD's!!
SE Asia Joe

[Dan Hawaii]

Been reading on that Eliot Spitzer's Emperor VIP club, and the rate for their 7 diamond gals are US$3,100/hour or US$31,000/day.
US$31,000 per day is approximately RMB200,000!! OHMIGAWD!!
You could get 400 KTV gals and/or at least 1,000 BBS gal for that money. I'd even think that any one of our beloved mei-mei's here would actually pack things up and retire with RMB200K in her pockets. INCREDDDDDDIBLE!!
No wonder there are so many BSD's!!
SE Asia Joe
31k usd is 220,100 rmb. You forgot the 20,100 rmb, ;) , that's the cost of my 12 day CP spending money. Hahaha.

31k usd per day, that's outrageous. No girl is worth that much per day, IMHO.

[Dar425]

How do you get to Changping from the Hong Kong airport? How long does it take? Where did you get your Visa -- USA or Hong Kong? Did you use ATMs to get yuan in Changping? Did you bring an unlocked cell phone and is buying a chip simple with no dealing with bureaucracy? Many thanks for testing your patience.


I wish ISG/Jackson had a 'sticky' feature in these forums. It would be nice to have information like this in a FAQ or 'sticky message' thread, because these questions come up every 6 months, and searching the backlog of messages takes a long time.


Dar

[SE Asia Joe]

the 20,100 rmb, that's the cost of my 12 day CP spending money. Hahaha.


Hummmpphh.... only rmb 20,100 huh? Another Big Swinging Dick!! Ooooops!!

Figure this - how much xiao fei do you think these US$31,000/day WG makes at the end of the day??!

Also, the $3,100/hour, $31,000/Day pricing - Vs. Ktv's 2-5-8 or 1-3-7 or 5-10-15 etc and the BBS 200/500 - these American WG's really don;t know how to do marketing like our Xiao Mei-Mei's do they?! I mean - If I'd spring $31K, would I rather get 1 gal for the whole day (how many times can I do it???) or 2, 3 even 4 gals to service me - and all it'd cost me would be less than half of the $31K. come to think of it, if I'd spring for $31K - hell, I'd book all the gals at Jia Yi! Oh hell what - am I talkin' about.... there's just no F...cking way I'd shell out anything even remotely close!!

OK, I'll withdraw ALL my previous comments here on BSD's - Everybody here is comparatively teeny tiny little no swing dicks.

So you - yes I'm talking to YOU (not YOU Dan!!)! - stop acting like a BSD!!!

SE Asia Joe

[SE Asia Joe]

I wish ISG/Jackson had a 'sticky' feature in these forums. It would be nice to have information like this in a FAQ or 'sticky message' thread, because these questions come up every 6 months, and searching the backlog of messages takes a long time.


Dar
Dar Dar Dar....WTF is a STICKY feature???

Is that what your keyboard becomes when you get all excited looking at the Picture gallery?! Hahah!!

SE Asia Joe

[SE Asia Joe]

How do you get to Changping from the Hong Kong airport? How long does it take? Where did you get your Visa -- USA or Hong Kong? Did you use ATMs to get yuan in Changping? Did you bring an unlocked cell phone and is buying a chip simple with no dealing with bureaucracy? Many thanks for testing your patience.
OK - since you're a senior member w/71 posts - I repeat what I wrote before:

//picked up a brochure on the bus service Miraton/HK Airport. Eternal East bus, www.eebus.com, (852)3760-0888, (755)8389-3166. Airport phone (852)2261-0176.Airport to Miraton - every half hour on the hour and half hour from 10:00 to 19:30. (go to A08 Service kiosk at airport)
From Miraton to Airport 6:30, 7:30 8:30 9:30 10:30 14:30 15:30 16:30
Single Trip RMB168 RT 298. at Miraton, Phone (0769)8302-8888.///

- takes approx 2.5 hours deopending on how jammed the border is.

- Get your visa in USA if you're going straight to CP from the airport - otherwise, you can apply at 7th Floor, Lower Block, China Resources Building, No.26, Harbor Road, Wanchai, Hong Kong SAR Office Hours. Monday to Friday (except Hong Kong public holidays,) 9:00-12:00 14:00-17:00.

- would NOT advise you to get RMB's at a China ATM.

- Only if you've got a dual or tri-band GSM phone. Otherwise, just pick up a cheapo phone in china.

SE Asia Joe

[Lubricate It]

- would NOT advise you to get RMB's at a China ATM.

I disagree on this point. For me, the best way to get yuan in CP is at any of the range of ATMs. The most trouble free appeared to be the China Construction Bank ATMs next to McDonalds and across the street from the Miraton. Good conversion rates on Visa, Mastercard and Citibank, no worries about fake notes.
Other reliable machines were across the road from KFC, near the bus station.

[China35]

I disagree on this point. For me, the best way to get yuan in CP is at any of the range of ATMs. The most trouble free appeared to be the China Construction Bank ATMs next to McDonalds and across the street from the Miraton. Good conversion rates on Visa, Mastercard and Citibank, no worries about fake notes.

Other reliable machines were across the road from KFC, near the bus station.Not so sure, ATM / Visa rates good, but I have twice got fake notes from Bank of China.

[Bill Lee]

Although I have never received any, there's been reports that you can get stuck with fake notes from ATM.

For seasoned mongers and experienced CP goers, the best place to get RMB are the little "black market" shops located across from the hotels, like the candy shops across from the Red Lion on the same street as the Miraton. Better exchange rates than the bank. I know CP business people who frequently use them for US dollar exchange than go to a bank.

If you're concern about getting fake notes from the shops, just do small conversions, like $100 US at a time.

Bill


I disagree on this point. For me, the best way to get yuan in CP is at any of the range of ATMs. The most trouble free appeared to be the China Construction Bank ATMs next to McDonalds and across the street from the Miraton. Good conversion rates on Visa, Mastercard and Citibank, no worries about fake notes.
Other reliable machines were across the road from KFC, near the bus station.

[Tepa Flassi]

I just move to Dongguan and I stay here maybe two year, I stay in Houjai town. I have seen many hotels here but not any good place to relax.

Any tips where I should go, here is Sheraton hotel near my place. I think some of you guys have been here and find some places.

Do they have here in China "bodymassage/soupmassage" places. Before I live in Thailand

If somebody is willing to show me some places, you can contact me by pm: P I start feeling bored.

Well, next week I will go to Thailand but just a couple of days.

[Bill Lee]

thanks for the input. the adjustments you wrote about, are they easy enough that a lame brain like cpexpat (xoxoxoxo) could manage in fine tuning his internet settings?

exactly where are these settings in the operating system? do any adjustments have to be made within the router?

bill


access to internet is especially in china very dynamically - fast in the morning hours, slow at evening. especially in china you get better results using a proxy server, like i use one in australia when in need.

more important than a fast link are good hardware/software settings. i am talking about your tcp/ip or mtu/rwin settings of your os. most factory settings are not adapt for your provider. e.g. mtu (packet size) is normally set at 1500, but in case of china telecom (dg) it should be 1492. a higher setting slows down your system as the package has to be defragmented. more details you can find at speedguide.net, dslreports.com and so on. just search for mtu/rwin or use proper tuning tools.

without proper hardware/software settings of your system, the fastest internet link will be like a lame duck.

conclusion, before blaming your provider i suggest you check your system settings.

m2c

mike

[Calvin Hobbs]

Still looking for mongering info at the Hiayatt Garden Hotel in Chan An

Help!

[Old Mean Dog]

For seasoned mongers and experienced CP goers, the best place to get RMB are the little "black market" shops located across from the hotels
Bill

Well, I have another spin on that Mr. Bill:

People use the black market shops, when they are coming from overseas and dont want to have to fill out mountains of paperwork at a bank or like being tracked when they want to exchange currency.

Otherwise, I would check my money real good if I decided to use these guys rather than a reputable bank.

I live here 24/7/365, I use the ATM's Lubricate It mentioned all the time to obtain money from either of my stateside banks and of course, they only spit out RMB not USD.

-CPE

[Old Mean Dog]

thanks for the input. the adjustments you wrote about, are they easy enough that a lame brain like cpexpat (xoxoxoxo) could manage in fine tuning his internet settings?

exactly where are these settings in the operating system? do any adjustments have to be made within the router?

bill

windows vista ultimate auto tunes for me. i attempted to disable, but admin command string does not work. optimizer not set for vista.

« speedguide.net tcp analyzer results »
tested on: 03.12.2008 12:58
ip address: 59.36.xxx.xxx

tcp options string: 020405a00103030201010402
mss: 1440
mtu: 1480
tcp window: 66240 (multiple of mss)
rwin scaling: 2
unscaled rwin : 16560
reccomended rwins: 63360, 126720, 253440, 506880
bdp limit (200ms): 2650kbps (331kbytes/s)
bdp limit (500ms): 1060kbps (132kbytes/s)
mtu discovery: on
ttl: 50
timestamps: off
sacks: on
ip tos: 00000000 (0)

the new results:

http://www.speedtest.net/result/245447987.png

not much of a difference so, even this lame brain has to still point my finger at the provider.

-cpe

[Bill Lee]

lame brain

perhaps your bootleg version has some klings (very technie word i might add).

mike dg, can you lay out the steps to treak it in windows xp pro (a licensed version i might add)?

bill


windows vista ultimate auto tunes for me. i attempted to disable, but admin command string does not work. optimizer not set for vista.

« speedguide.net tcp analyzer results »
tested on: 03.12.2008 12:58
ip address: 59.36.xxx.xxx

tcp options string: 020405a00103030201010402
mss: 1440
mtu: 1480
tcp window: 66240 (multiple of mss)
rwin scaling: 2
unscaled rwin : 16560
reccomended rwins: 63360, 126720, 253440, 506880
bdp limit (200ms): 2650kbps (331kbytes/s)
bdp limit (500ms): 1060kbps (132kbytes/s)
mtu discovery: on
ttl: 50
timestamps: off
sacks: on
ip tos: 00000000 (0)

the new results:

http://www.speedtest.net/result/245447987.png

not much of a difference so, even this lame brain has to still point my finger at the provider.

-cpe

[Bill Lee]

My understanding is that it's not so much the mountain of paperworks or tracking of the money. Rather it's the limitation of the withdraw one can make at a bank in China. The government relaxed the rule last year, but there's still a limitation on withdraws by foreign businesses from Chinese bank.

Many of these shops cannot afford to get stained with a bad reputation as having given out bad bills. Like I said, just do one $100 note at a time.

Bill


Well, I have another spin on that Mr. Bill:

People use the black market shops, when they are coming from overseas and dont want to have to fill out mountains of paperwork at a bank or like being tracked when they want to exchange currency.

Otherwise, I would check my money real good if I decided to use these guys rather than a reputable bank.

I live here 24/7/365, I use the ATM's Lubricate It mentioned all the time to obtain money from either of my stateside banks and of course, they only spit out RMB not USD.

-CPE

[Dan Hawaii]

Hummmpphh.... only rmb 20,100 huh? Another Big Swinging Dick!! Ooooops!!

Figure this - how much xiao fei do you think these US$31,000/day WG makes at the end of the day??!


OK, I'll withdraw ALL my previous comments here on BSD's - Everybody here is comparatively teeny tiny little no swing dicks.

So you - yes I'm talking to YOU (not YOU Dan!!)! - stop acting like a BSD!!!

SE Asia Joe
Come on now, all these little cheap ktv girls, bbs girls, hotels, saunas, footies, ktvs, dvds, massages, tips, etc.. add up. I just did some calculations:

ktv = $70 usd, we are not 2 toucan sam (2 can;) ) here like yourself Joe, we drink like fishes.
ktv girl = 90 usd (average ST or LT)
BBS = 30 usd
hotel = 45 usd
Sauna = 75 usd
footie = 10 usd
massage = 30 usd
food = damn, no money left to eat. ;)

This is a reasonable day for CP. Oh shit, over budget, total is 350 usd. Shit, got to skip the footie and hotel then and live out in the street. But where will I do the girl. Oh man. The CP dilema. :)

Was cheaper before, no prices never went up, just that the dollar is dying. And I'm stuck here making damn usd and wanting to buy rmb. Oh man, can we give the madman working on the usd money printing machines a valium. All I want is world peace and to "Hummmpphh"..(quoted from Joe).. hahahaha.

[Dan Hawaii]

I disagree on this point. For me, the best way to get yuan in CP is at any of the range of ATMs. The most trouble free appeared to be the China Construction Bank ATMs next to McDonalds and across the street from the Miraton. Good conversion rates on Visa, Mastercard and Citibank, no worries about fake notes.
Other reliable machines were across the road from KFC, near the bus station.
I always bring usd cash and get my rmbs from little shops near the major hotels like Lucky, Hui Hua and Hui Mei. For real, I'm not kidding. I promise to God. ;)
Nah, for real, I'm not kidding.

[Weelock]

Come on now, all these little cheap ktv girls, bbs girls, hotels, saunas, footies, ktvs, dvds, massages, tips, etc.. add up. I just did some calculations:

ktv = $70 usd, we are not 2 toucan sam (2 can;) ) here like yourself Joe, we drink like fishes.
ktv girl = 90 usd (average ST or LT)
BBS = 30 usd
hotel = 45 usd
Sauna = 75 usd
footie = 10 usd
massage = 30 usd
food = damn, no money left to eat. ;)

This is a reasonable day for CP. Oh shit, over budget, total is 350 usd. Shit, got to skip the footie and hotel then and live out in the street. But where will I do the girl. Oh man. The CP dilema. :)

Was cheaper before, no prices never went up, just that the dollar is dying. And I'm stuck here making damn usd and wanting to buy rmb. Oh man, can we give the madman working on the usd money printing machines a valium. All I want is world peace and to "Hummmpphh"..(quoted from Joe).. hahahaha.

For me, you might want to add cost for transportation, like plane ticket, China visa, and classes for Chinese.

Plane ticket = 900 to 1300 USD
Visa 100 USD, "a visa to China priceless"
Classes at University = 300 - 500 USD

Last, with the USD dollar going lower and the yuan going higher, then the price of oil hitting 100 to 108 a barrel, I see everything being more expensive each year.

[Bnlee2]

For me, you might want to add cost for transportation, like plane ticket, China visa, and classes for Chinese.

Plane ticket = 900 to 1300 USD
Visa 100 USD
Classes at University = 300 - 500 USD

With the USD dollar going lower and the yuan going higher, then the price of oil hitting 100 to 108 a barrel, I see everything being more expensive next year.

Did you read what Eliot Spitzer pay for two hours of fun.... $5K USD. This is chump change compare to what a "chump" yes i mean "chump" spent for two hours of fun with "kristin" from the emperor club. His hotel charge at the Mayflower was extra. I heard that for that particular day, he rented two rooms at the hotel so that he would not get caught. according to Emperor Club, the daily rate can go as high as $31K USD yes "$31K USD" for an entire day rate for some of their xiao jeis.

[Pleasure Dude]

guys, on the topic of exchanging money. I visit China about every 2 months from the U.S. and every time I come here the exchange rate is lower. Back in January, it was around 7.2 and now is around 6.8 to 7 if I am lucky. I am thinking about changing a couple thousand dollars on this trip and put them in a local bank such as Bank of China rather than bringing back home a lump of RMB. What are the rules of foreigners opening a bank account here and are there any limitations? What information do I need to provide?

Thanks,
PD

[Travel Dog]

PD
Rules vary and are not enforced uniformly. In other words, your banking mileage may vary. But by all means give it a go.
1) You will need your passport and some cash (USD).
2) Go to a convenient local bank to open an account. China Construction Bank is very good if you have a US account with Bank of America, no ATM fees. Otherwise use whatever bank you have friendly connections with or lacking that use Bank of China.
3) You can only change $50,000 per year from USD to RMB.
4) Only change and deposit what you will eventually use up in China as it is hard to get large sums out of the country.
5) You can Wire Transfer into you new account.

TD



guys, on the topic of exchanging money. I visit China about every 2 months from the U.S. and every time I come here the exchange rate is lower. Back in January, it was around 7.2 and now is around 6.8 to 7 if I am lucky. I am thinking about changing a couple thousand dollars on this trip and put them in a local bank such as Bank of China rather than bringing back home a lump of RMB. What are the rules of foreigners opening a bank account here and are there any limitations? What information do I need to provide?

Thanks,
PD

[SE Asia Joe]

guys, on the topic of exchanging money. I visit China about every 2 months from the U.S. and every time I come here the exchange rate is lower. Back in January, it was around 7.2 and now is around 6.8 to 7 if I am lucky. I am thinking about changing a couple thousand dollars on this trip and put them in a local bank such as Bank of China rather than bringing back home a lump of RMB. What are the rules of foreigners opening a bank account here and are there any limitations? What information do I need to provide?

Thanks,
PD
May I suggest that you change more than just a couple thousand - the way that the RMB AND the US dollar are these days, coupled with the fact that RMB gradual appreciation is a stated policy, you know that you ain't gonna lose out if you change more.
Besides which, even though CP is cheap - it ain't that cheap as pointed out by Dan Hawaii (damn - is he getting to be a BSD??!!) and you come here very 2 months? A couple thou will last you how long?
SE Asia Joe

[SE Asia Joe]

ktv = $70 usd, we are not 2 toucan sam (2 can;) ) here like yourself Joe, we drink like fishes.
ktv girl = 90 usd (average ST or LT)
BBS = 30 usd
hotel = 45 usd
Sauna = 75 usd
footie = 10 usd
massage = 30 usd
food = damn, no money left to eat. ;)


KTV - check your bill my friend - and make sure not too many of these P.R.O., Asst Mgrs, assorted mommies, and whatever else don't come in and drink like fishes with you. Or just get smaller rooms. And you really don't need to be a BSD in a KTV - only suckers act like BSD at KTV.
KTV gal - if your average ST/LT is only $90, then you're not giving enough xiaofei - cheap charlie. And oh, mebbe you can pull an AG fast one - pay the KTV gal RMB200, go to the night market and get one for RMB150. You save a whole RMB150 ST!!
BBS - $30? Again, cheap charlie. RMB10 xiaofei?
Hotel - $45 - staying at cheap ass hotels huh?
Sauna - Oh wow - that makes the third pop today and everyday (or 4th or even 5th one if you had LT w/the KTV gal). Son - You're really gonna blow your gasket!
Footie AND Massage?? errrr... you really like getting pummelled huh?

Respectfully whilst bowing and paying tribute
Toucan Asia

[Fast Eddie 48]

guys, on the topic of exchanging money. I visit China about every 2 months from the U.S. and every time I come here the exchange rate is lower. Back in January, it was around 7.2 and now is around 6.8 to 7 if I am lucky. I am thinking about changing a couple thousand dollars on this trip and put them in a local bank such as Bank of China rather than bringing back home a lump of RMB. What are the rules of foreigners opening a bank account here and are there any limitations? What information do I need to provide?

Thanks,

PDPD,

You should RTFF first if you search the China General info and Living in China sections there are many report about money and problems dealing with China banks. This is the Dongguan section, and now you know, so get with the program.

Fast eddie 48

[Fast Eddie 48]

For me, you might want to add cost for transportation, like plane ticket, China visa, and classes for Chinese.

Plane ticket = 900 to 1300 USD
Visa 100 USD, "a visa to China priceless"
Classes at University = 300 - 500 USD

Last with the USD dollar going lower and the yuan going higher, then the price of oil hitting 100 to 108 a barrel, I see everything being more expensive each year.Weelock,

Does the 500 USD include any freebie?

If I can score 20 virgin freebie at classes, then 500 USD is worth it.

D Hawail is cheap, he swim across the Pacific to mainland China he just over paid after he get to CP.

Fast eddie 48

[Dar425]

Been reading on that Eliot Spitzer's Emperor VIP club, and the rate for their 7 diamond gals are US$3,100/hour or US$31,000/day.
US$31,000 per day is approximately RMB200,000!! OHMIGAWD!!
You could get 400 KTV gals and/or at least 1,000 BBS gal for that money. I'd even think that any one of our beloved mei-mei's here would actually pack things up and retire with RMB200K in her pockets. INCREDDDDDDIBLE!!
No wonder there are so many BSD's!!
SE Asia Joe


Here are photos of the girl that Eliot Spitzer was allegedly arranging to meet for $4000-$5000 USD.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0312084kristen1.html

I think something to keep in mind is that celebrity and politician (famous / known) people pay higher rates for girls, because the girls/service are supposed to keep the clients names/identity a secret. Spitzer cannot call up an independent escort, because she might expose him.

Similar thing with Heidi Fleiss in Hollywood and the actors paying more money to use her escort service. These guys pay more, because they trust the agencies/girls to keep their identify a secret.



Dar

[Wadman]

I think someone hacked into FastEddie's account! Look at all those punctuation marks, cannot possibly originate from Fast Eddie.


Weelock,

Does the 500 USD include any freebie?

If I can score 20 virgin freebie at classes, then 500 USD is worth it.

D Hawail is cheap, he swim across the Pacific to mainland China he just over paid after he get to CP.

Fast eddie 48

[Dar425]

guys, on the topic of exchanging money. I visit China about every 2 months from the U.S. and every time I come here the exchange rate is lower. Back in January, it was around 7.2 and now is around 6.8 to 7 if I am lucky. I am thinking about changing a couple thousand dollars on this trip and put them in a local bank such as Bank of China rather than bringing back home a lump of RMB. What are the rules of foreigners opening a bank account here and are there any limitations? What information do I need to provide?

Thanks,
PD

PleasureDude,

If you bring large amounts of USD to China, you might want to think about opening a Safe-Deposit box in a Chinese bank, converting your USD to GOLD, then put the GOLD into the Safe-Deposit box. Then each time you go to China you take some of gold out, sell it for RMB, the use the RMB when in China.

Here is an example:

1) You go to China with $5000 USD (Remember, USA laws restrict you to taking out a maximum of $10,000 USD).

2) Today, the spot price of gold is 7040 RMB/Ounce (226 RMB/gram). This is equal to $994 USD/Ounce ($32 USD/gram)

3) If you can find a gold dealer who takes USD, then see what exchange rate they give you versus a bank (for if you want Bank of China to convert your USD to RMB).

4) Buy the gold (bouillion, panda coins, small nuggets). If you know you're buying troy ounce, you can bring a USA Gold Buffalo troy ounce coin with you to China to make sure the coins you are buying from the dealer are really 1 troy ounce. If you want to buy grams, then bring some grams from USA with you.

5) Put the gold into your safe-deposit box. The bank will not know what you are putting into the box. Know that they freeze/hold your box if China or USA government wants to (but they can do this with your cash account too).

6) 2-3 months later to arrive in China, visit your box and take out 1 oz of gold and sell it at the new higher price (250 RMB per gram). At this time you also bring more USD with you to buy more gold to repeat the process, building up your gold supply.

If the value of gold has gone up, you make good money.
If the value of the RMB has grown stronger against the USD, you made good money.
If both of these happen, then you made REALLY good money.

Consider in Step3 if you got 7.8 RMB per USD (your $5,000 USD got you 39000 RMB; you then used that 39000 RMB to buy 172 grams of gold). 2 months later the price of gold rises from 226 RMB to 250 RMB, your gold gets you 10% more RMB. Not to mention if the new RMB/USD exchange rate has dropped to 7.6 RMB per dollar, your gold still has more buying power.

In this scenario, if you ever want to bring that gold back to USA, it is now worth even more USD. You bring it back to USA in the form of gold coins/boullion and/or have some made into gold jewelry that you can say is your personal gold that you've always owned and take with you when you travel).


Dar

[Weelock]

I think someone hacked into FastEddie's account! Look at all those punctuation marks, cannot possibly originate from Fast Eddie.

Fast Eddie,

I have noticed your posts are usually delayed a day or two. In other words, your reports are not posted immediately. I apologize if I'm wrong.

The Chinese class is located at a university in the USA. The text book alone is about 130USD but good for 2 semesters. No feebies too young for a relationship, but maybe the teacher. She is a little younger than me.

[Blacklisted]

KTV gal - if your average ST/LT is only $90, then you're not giving enough xiaofei - cheap charlie. And oh, mebbe you can pull an AG fast one - pay the KTV gal RMB200, go to the night market and get one for RMB150. You save a whole RMB150 ST!This was not an AG. This was a pure blacklisted my main man! I love to see the look of disappointment on their pretty faces after realising they have been kissed and groped all night for 200 kuai.

Why pay good money for a semi drunk and sleepy KTV chick back at your hotel when you can grab a fresh, bright eyed cutie off the street later?

As a less young gentleman, surely you can see the logic in this approach?

He he, I am reminded of a small joke which is pretty irrelevant here, but what the hell!

There was a young bull and an older bull standing on top of a hill looking down on a pasture full of hot young (and quite buxom) jersey cows.

Young Bull: Hey Joe, let's run down into that pasture and fuck us one of them there cows!

Old Bull: Here's a better idea. Let's take our sweet time and wander down there and then fuck the whole lot of them.

BL

[Superforce99]

PleasureDude,

If you bring large amounts of USD to China, you might want to think about opening a Safe-Deposit box in a Chinese bank, converting your USD to GOLD, then put the GOLD into the Safe-Deposit box. Then each time you go to China you take some of gold out, sell it for RMB, the use the RMB when in China...

Dar


This is a hella lot of trouble over $5000 USD...I'd recommend you covert a few thousand USD to RMB via Bank of China, the official money exchangers in SZ, the money black market in ZH, numerous places in HK, or whatever way you find.

Then open an ATM account (only need your passport), deposit your money, and that's it. And you can wire money into this ATM account from abroad. And if you will go away for several months before coming back to China, buy a short-term bank CD to gain some extra interest in addition to the guaranteed gain of RMB against USD and then have the proceeds automatically deposit into the ATM account.

Now if you're talking a few hundred thousand or more, then it's a different story...


J

[Fast Eddie 48]

This is a hella lot of trouble over $5000 USD...I'd recommend you covert a few thousand USD to RMB via Bank of China, the official money exchangers in SZ, the money black market in ZH, numerous places in HK, or whatever way you find.

Then open an ATM account (only need your passport), deposit your money, and that's it. And you can wire money into this ATM account from abroad. And if you will go away for several months before coming back to China, buy a short-term bank CD to gain some extra interest in addition to the guaranteed gain of RMB against USD and then have the proceeds automatically deposit into the ATM account.

Now if you're talking a few hundred thousand or more, then it's a different story...Johnny

I have a time deposit account at bank of China they have 3 month to a yr the one yr pay about 3. 75% as of last month and covert your USD ro RMB and you can take money anytime but if you open the account in Shenzhen you have to go to a shenzhen branch, you can also wire transfer money from an US bank but they will not convert money to rmb must be done in person. You can also open a visa or atm account money can be withdrawl anywhere but no interst.

I also have a account ith HSBC in HK and I hate dealing with bank in China the serivce is the worst in the world and you can have your money in RMB there also.

Fast Eddie 48

[Freepeaks]

Just a few tips care of Santa / SE Asia Joe:

1. Get change for your red 100s - otherwise you'll have no change to tip should you please and spoil the market (i had to give a USD5 otherwise Joe was going to kill me :)

2. pen and paper help in remembering girl and place. plus you can call for take out later.

3. don't jump at first store despite the temptation - i did and despite the countless postings - i think i could have done better. It was late though and they do go fast so you feel the pressure, but you can wait. there is usually such a variety that some place will have something you want.

4. at least learn enough chinese to say i don't know, i don't want and to specify what you want (tall, short, big breasts, CIM). You can't always guarantee the performance though.

5. if performance is subpar at least get mommie's number (if you speak chinese) to get a substitution or makeup 'exam' - if you don't speak chinese get the girl to send another - you don't have to trash her, but at least you'll get satisfaction.

Jojo is still hot :P

[Freepeaks]

Virgin footie was pretty decent, I think probably 7/10, huihua is better, girls were 6-7, JT even sent the cute one to me (even though he wanted my tall one). Relaxing room and clean facility. think it was like 120 RMB with drinks for 2 (had KTV girl with me so extras wasn't offered/asked)

They are definitely good for a daily wind down at a super cheap price.

[Freepeaks]

I've consistently used the Bank of China that is down by the Lion Hotel, there is also another Bank of China if you turn left at that street, cross street and go down about 2 blocks. BoC consistently works with all ATM cards.

Withdrawal limit is 2000-2500 which is typical of most ATMs. Agricultural Bank also seems to be good. I have been able to withdraw more than once in a day as the daily limit seems to be set by your bank outside the country (if you need more call your bank and they will raise it. If they don't change banks) I did notice thet the China construction bank had ATMs with 100-200 RMB withdrawal limits. Not fun.

I've had bad luck with the China Construction bank, some of their ATMs are UnionPay only (or something like that) meaning they don't work with the cirrus, plus, visa networks. Especially the one next to the Mcdonald's. And that was 6 weeks ago.

Currency exchange at hotels means they are finicky on bills, no marks, staple holes, creases, nothing which means they'll only change about 1 of every 2 bills. The manager though if you insist will take your money and go exchange it at the deli/other location where they are less picky. If you bills are torn you are just screwed. Bring crisp clean ones.

[Zhuren]

for those of you who might be asking how is the internet speed in cp? well, i live just 5 minutes by taxi from the main area of town and pay 200 rmb a month for t2/m2 service:

http://www.speedtest.net/result/244807847.png

pure shit to say the least. hotel service is a little faster as they have the business account, but i don't want to have to shell out 1k a month for it.

-cpe

eat your heart out .... internet access in beijing :

http://www.speedtest.net/result/246375610.png