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This is a hella lot of trouble over $5000 USD...I'd recommend you covert a few thousand USD to RMB via Bank of China, the official money exchangers in SZ, the money black market in ZH, numerous places in HK, or whatever way you find.
I can not figure out why anyone from overseas wants/needs to convert money here in China. Leave the money in your bank overseas and use your ATM card to with drawl cash here from an HSBC or Bank of China ATM. ATM exchange rate, including charges, 7.07925 on Friday. The official exchange rate was 7.08822 on the same day. That means if you took 5,000 RMB, the cost would have been $706.29, and if you would have exchanged at the bank, you would have gotten $705.40. The difference? US$0.89!
APAC Man
Dan Hawaii
03-15-08, 12:01
May I suggest that you change more than just a couple thousand - the way that the RMB AND the US dollar are these days, coupled with the fact that RMB gradual appreciation is a stated policy, you know that you ain't gonna lose out if you change more.
Besides which, even though CP is cheap - it ain't that cheap as pointed out by Dan Hawaii (damn - is he getting to be a BSD??!!) and you come here very 2 months? A couple thou will last you how long?
SE Asia Joe
BSD? Come on Joe, yours is bigger than mines, hahaha. Hey, would a BSD stay at the Lucky Hotel? Duh. ;) On average, it costs me $250 usd everyday to party like a rock star.
Dude... Instead of placing money in the bank, invest in mutual funds in 6 countries' , China (taking over the world), India (growing like a mutha), South America (feed china and India Natural resources), Canada (feed china and India natural minerals and resources and major ports to export), Australia (feed china and India uranium for nuclear power plants), and Japan (heavy trade with China). Do not hedge your investment into USD, keep your capital gains in the local currency. IMHO ;) Even though your mutual funds gain is zero, you are not losing from the falling dollar. In addition, if the host currency appreciates, you just got capital gains.
Dan Hawaii
03-15-08, 12:09
KTV - check your bill my friend - and make sure not too many of these P.R.O., Asst Mgrs, assorted mommies, and whatever else don't come in and drink like fishes with you. Or just get smaller rooms. And you really don't need to be a BSD in a KTV - only suckers act like BSD at KTV.
KTV gal - if your average ST/LT is only $90, then you're not giving enough xiaofei - cheap charlie. And oh, mebbe you can pull an AG fast one - pay the KTV gal RMB200, go to the night market and get one for RMB150. You save a whole RMB150 ST!!
BBS - $30? Again, cheap charlie. RMB10 xiaofei?
Hotel - $45 - staying at cheap ass hotels huh?
Sauna - Oh wow - that makes the third pop today and everyday (or 4th or even 5th one if you had LT w/the KTV gal). Son - You're really gonna blow your gasket!
Footie AND Massage?? errrr... you really like getting pummelled huh?
Respectfully whilst bowing and paying tribute
Toucan Asia
Yo SE Toucan, even without sauna, the bill is already up to 225usd, if the ktv bill is only 60usd. Then I'll be starving and just doing DATY so I no need buy food and water. Got to have water, might be salty down there. Hahaha. Geez, and footie not included, wow, I'm really going to be roughing it. Minus as well stay home already. :(
Dan Hawaii
03-15-08, 12:15
Weelock,
Does the 500 USD include any freebie?
If I can score 20 virgin freebie at classes, then 500 USD is worth it.
D Hawail is cheap, he swim across the Pacific to mainland China he just over paid after he get to CP.
Fast eddie 48
Swim, nah, we Hawaiians ride the dolphins to China. ;) Sometimes we ride the whales too, but not during the winter times, too cold for them, they migrate south to warmer climates.
That is worth it, 25usd for each cherry. Dam, even if you add another zero to that, it still will be worth it.
Dan Hawaii
03-15-08, 12:53
PleasureDude,
If you bring large amounts of USD to China, you might want to think about opening a Safe-Deposit box in a Chinese bank, converting your USD to GOLD, then put the GOLD into the Safe-Deposit box. Then each time you go to China you take some of gold out, sell it for RMB, the use the RMB when in China.
Here is an example:
1) You go to China with $5000 USD (Remember, USA laws restrict you to taking out a maximum of $10,000 USD).
2) Today, the spot price of gold is 7040 RMB/Ounce (226 RMB/gram). This is equal to $994 USD/Ounce ($32 USD/gram)
3) If you can find a gold dealer who takes USD, then see what exchange rate they give you versus a bank (for if you want Bank of China to convert your USD to RMB).
4) Buy the gold (bouillion, panda coins, small nuggets). If you know you're buying troy ounce, you can bring a USA Gold Buffalo troy ounce coin with you to China to make sure the coins you are buying from the dealer are really 1 troy ounce. If you want to buy grams, then bring some grams from USA with you.
5) Put the gold into your safe-deposit box. The bank will not know what you are putting into the box. Know that they freeze/hold your box if China or USA government wants to (but they can do this with your cash account too).
6) 2-3 months later to arrive in China, visit your box and take out 1 oz of gold and sell it at the new higher price (250 RMB per gram). At this time you also bring more USD with you to buy more gold to repeat the process, building up your gold supply.
If the value of gold has gone up, you make good money.
If the value of the RMB has grown stronger against the USD, you made good money.
If both of these happen, then you made REALLY good money.
Consider in Step3 if you got 7.8 RMB per USD (your $5,000 USD got you 39000 RMB; you then used that 39000 RMB to buy 172 grams of gold). 2 months later the price of gold rises from 226 RMB to 250 RMB, your gold gets you 10% more RMB. Not to mention if the new RMB/USD exchange rate has dropped to 7.6 RMB per dollar, your gold still has more buying power.
In this scenario, if you ever want to bring that gold back to USA, it is now worth even more USD. You bring it back to USA in the form of gold coins/boullion and/or have some made into gold jewelry that you can say is your personal gold that you've always owned and take with you when you travel).
Dar
I feel there are several errors in your theory.
As a gold dealer, buyer seller or whatever, they are not working for free. They have to make money whenever you buy or sell gold to them, so, if gold is 1000usd, they will sell it at 1000+usd, but if they are buying they are going to buy below 1000usd. They have to eat and pay bills too.
And, how can you trust the China gold dealer? If he says its 24k, but is really giving you 23k gold, you just lost 4.17% of your money. He might rip you off even more. Are you bringing a gold tester to the table? Even if he buys swiss bars, coins, or whatever, do you think they might have counterfeits?
And what if the gold price drops? You lost more than the depreciation of the greenback. Hello.... gold is a very volatile comodity, do you realize that, on average, it fluctuates more than 20usd per day and on very messed up days, over 50usd+ per day????
And I don't understand this statement:
"If the value of the RMB has grown stronger against the USD, you made good money."
If this happens, and you are holding gold, how did you make money????
And, if he was to hold gold, why not just buy it in the USA?
And, why does he need to store it in China?
Dan Hawaii
03-15-08, 13:06
He he, I am reminded of a small joke which is pretty irrelevant here, but what the hell!
There was a young bull and an older bull standing on top of a hill looking down on a pasture full of hot young (and quite buxom) jersey cows.
Young Bull: Hey Joe, let's run down into that pasture and fuck us one of them there cows!
Old Bull: Here's a better idea. Let's take our sweet time and wander down there and then fuck the whole lot of them.
BL
You want to hear another joke...?
First bull says, "yo bull, you want to go to a party?"
Second bull says, "where?"
First bull says, "In your mouth and I'm cuming!" :)
http://speedtest.nyc.rr.com/
http://www.vonage.com/help.php?article=497&category=46&nav=102
thanks
bill
eat your heart out .... internet access in beijing :
http://www.speedtest.net/result/246375610.png
http://speedtest.nyc.rr.com/
3834kbps down / 769 up
http://www.vonage.com/help.php?article=497&category=46&nav=102
1.86 mbps down / 461 kbps up
bandwith to foreign (especially us) sites is throttled by router capacity in the chinese firewall.
Bull Dozer
03-16-08, 00:49
Tepa,
I tried to PM you a few days ago, but your PM does not work, I have stayed in Houjie off & on for 3 years , so i know a little about Houjie. Go to the foot massage above KFC on the 4th floor. lots of fun girls, but be careful. Then there is the Kandy Club near Mcdonalds, there are many Saunas in Houjie in all the hotels, many BBS shops where the bar street is. Talk a a motorcycle guy he can take you to many BBS shops behind Starbucks, they are about 3 blocks from there. I will be in Houjie around April 18, may be we can hook up & have fun. I will be in Changping on April 15-17 would like to meet up & hang out, hit some hot spots. Please PM me.
Go Joe.
i'm still impressed by the speed, compared to miraton's top download at 700kbps.
bill
3834kbps down / 769 up
1.86 mbps down / 461 kbps up
bandwith to foreign (especially us) sites is throttled by router capacity in the chinese firewall.
b
Fast Eddie 48
03-16-08, 01:56
Swim, nah, we Hawaiians ride the dolphins to China. ;) Sometimes we ride the whales too, but not during the winter times, too cold for them, they migrate south to warmer climates.
That is worth it, 25usd for each cherry. Dam, even if you add another zero to that, it still will be worth it.Dan,
The mamasan a the sauna told me you are the whale ,they told me when you are there you pass out hundred bill to everyone well the gold busines must be good to you that you spend so much long holiday in asia and talkabout retiring at young age and I wish I can just go to china and just have fun all day.
I sold some of my 24k gold bracelet when I was in bangkok chinatown got 30 usd a gram and I still have a few gold chain for my next trip maybe I sell it to you I am sure you give more .
Fast eddie 48
Old Mean Dog
03-16-08, 04:28
i'm still impressed by the speed, compared to miraton's top download at 700kbps.
bill
maybe you should monger in beijing from now on? ;)
i tested at my office in shenzhen and it was over 3 times faster then here in cp.
-cpe
btw: quit being a clown or i'll add you to my ignore list.
There's no restriction by US laws on how much you can bring out of the country. The law is only for the reporting of taking out $10,000 or more out of the country.
Bill
PleasureDude,
If you bring large amounts of USD to China, you might want to think about opening a Safe-Deposit box in a Chinese bank, converting your USD to GOLD, then put the GOLD into the Safe-Deposit box. Then each time you go to China you take some of gold out, sell it for RMB, the use the RMB when in China.
Here is an example:
1) You go to China with $5000 USD (Remember, USA laws restrict you to taking out a maximum of $10,000 USD).
Dar
Hey Fellas
I am heading out to Zhonngshan March 24th to tie up a business deal and then plan on heading over to CP to party! Can anyone report on the current BBS scene? As a lone traveler i don't fancy the KTV's so i am kinda relying on the BBS. Are the mommies back out on the streets looking for punters or am i gonna have to search them out?
Anyone know how the 'night market' is fairing?
I'll be in town from 27th March for about 4 nights and plan on staying at the Miraton or Walter, if anyone else is gonna be around then give me a shout.
Cheers Fellas
Greetings,
Two long time USA California and Arkansas Mongers recently arrived in Changping for up to three year stay. Would like to meet seasoned Changping area mongers for informitive purposes of which drinks would be on us.
Pointpanic
03-17-08, 16:50
Hey Fellas
I am heading out to Zhonngshan March 24th to tie up a business deal and then plan on heading over to CP to party! Can anyone report on the current BBS scene? As a lone traveler i don't fancy the KTV's so i am kinda relying on the BBS. Are the mommies back out on the streets looking for punters or am i gonna have to search them out?
Anyone know how the 'night market' is fairing?
I'll be in town from 27th March for about 4 nights and plan on staying at the Miraton or Walter, if anyone else is gonna be around then give me a shout.
Cheers Fellas
The BBS seems to have got back on track. The mommies are out from the Miraton to the Hui Mei and Yalan had pretty good numbers. BBS near Swan Lake had good numbers. Have a great trip.
did you feel the miraton internet connection drop out for like 5-10 seconds every so often?
i'm still impressed by the speed, compared to miraton's top download at 700kbps.
bill
The Miraton has its ups and downs. Mostly ups though. I was able to work with it. Unfortunately, the URLs that I used to monitor the kbps had to be manually log in, in order to read the rates.
Bill
Did you feel the Miraton internet connection drop out for like 5-10 seconds every so often?
The BBS seems to have got back on track. The mommies are out from the Miraton to the Hui Mei and Yalan had pretty good numbers. BBS near Swan Lake had good numbers. Have a great trip.
PP - Thanks for the heads up. btw do you know how long it takes to get from the Yalan area to swan lake? Is the pricing structure the same in the swan lake area
Cheers
Dan Hawaii
03-17-08, 21:17
Dan,
The mamasan a the sauna told me you are the whale ,they told me when you are there you pass out hundred bill to everyone well the gold busines must be good to you that you spend so much long holiday in asia and talkabout retiring at young age and I wish I can just go to china and just have fun all day.
I sold some of my 24k gold bracelet when I was in bangkok chinatown got 30 usd a gram and I still have a few gold chain for my next trip maybe I sell it to you I am sure you give more .
Fast eddie 48
Pass out 100 usd? Damn what kind of guy do you think I am....., I hand out 24k swiss bullion bars. Geez, you giving me a bad rep here. ;)
Hopefully I get busy and preoccupied that my PDCPW (Post Dramatic CP Withdrawls) are numbed. We just got over a huge, 2 year waiting time of bleeding out cash, milestone for a business venture. Hopefully we can start getting positive cash flow now and get me back to work. So, instead of going to CP every 2 months, might have to cut down to every 2.5 months, hahaha.
30usd per gram, that is a good price. Most of the time there is lower karat solder in finish jewelry, making it not 100% 24k.
Dan Hawaii
03-17-08, 21:27
PP - Thanks for the heads up. btw do you know how long it takes to get from the Yalan area to swan lake? Is the pricing structure the same in the swan lake area
Cheers
Its pretty close, like walkable close. Last time there was a bbs stop on the way from Yalan to Swan Lake. Had around 35 girls there, I know its a famous one, I want to say Baby's shop. I'm so bad with names, I just know locations. On the way to Swan Lake, its like on the left side of the road in a small alley way. It's like the midpoint from Yalan to Swan Lake. Well, alittle closer to Swan Lake if anything.
However, I heard the swan lake bbs moved, floors or different wing or something. Same price structure as Yalan, 200 ST & 500 LT
Dan Hawaii
03-17-08, 21:37
did you feel the miraton internet connection drop out for like 5-10 seconds every so often?
yeah, it happens, like it just stopped downloading. just hit the refresh button a couple of times and it was back online. i felt the morning was slow 8-11am and the mid afternoon 12 to 3pm was the fastest.
the worst was lucky hotel. super slow, like 56k dialup speed, but sometimes it was decent, like the cheap dsl speed. sometimes it would not work at all for several minutes, i would just give up and go to a bbs to get my stress relieved.
Fast Eddie 48
03-17-08, 21:47
There's no restriction by US laws on how much you can bring out of the country. The law is only for the reporting of taking out $10,000 or more out of the country.
BillBill,
I always bring traveler check amex in 500 and 1000 you get better exchange rate than USD bill, if I have extra I just deposit into my account in bank of china and I had been doing this for the last 5 yr as the dollar have drop so much but cp bank will not accept traveler check you need to go to Shenzhen or Dongguan city .
Fast eddie 48
AngrySnake
03-18-08, 02:02
China Construction had their ATM software updated about that time. No overseas transactions were allowed until it got reconnected. I regularly withdraw money from their ATM's because I have accounts with Bank Of America. BOA owns 11% of CCB. Thus no atm fees nor international transaction fees. The exchange rate follows the daily market. For me this is the easiest way to get RMB from USD.
I've consistently used the Bank of China that is down by the Lion Hotel, there is also another Bank of China if you turn left at that street, cross street and go down about 2 blocks. BoC consistently works with all ATM cards.
Withdrawal limit is 2000-2500 which is typical of most ATMs. Agricultural Bank also seems to be good. I have been able to withdraw more than once in a day as the daily limit seems to be set by your bank outside the country (if you need more call your bank and they will raise it. If they don't change banks) I did notice thet the China construction bank had ATMs with 100-200 RMB withdrawal limits. Not fun.
I've had bad luck with the China Construction bank, some of their ATMs are UnionPay only (or something like that) meaning they don't work with the cirrus, plus, visa networks. Especially the one next to the Mcdonald's. And that was 6 weeks ago.
Currency exchange at hotels means they are finicky on bills, no marks, staple holes, creases, nothing which means they'll only change about 1 of every 2 bills. The manager though if you insist will take your money and go exchange it at the deli/other location where they are less picky. If you bills are torn you are just screwed. Bring crisp clean ones.
Fast Eddie 48
03-18-08, 05:27
Pass out 100 usd? Damn what kind of guy do you think I am....., I hand out 24k swiss bullion bars. Geez, you giving me a bad rep here. ;)
Hopefully I get busy and preoccupied that my PDCPW (Post Dramatic CP Withdrawls) are numbed. We just got over a huge, 2 year waiting time of bleeding out cash, milestone for a business venture. Hopefully we can start getting positive cash flow now and get me back to work. So, instead of going to CP every 2 months, might have to cut down to every 2.5 months, hahaha.
30usd per gram, that is a good price. Most of the time there is lower karat solder in finish jewelry, making it not 100% 24k.Dan,
I was just kidding. Never listen to what the mamasan tells you. They lie all the time to get tip from you or make you feel bad if you don't. Please don't tell me you are not making money in this gold market. You are a bigger liar than the girl in CP. I will be in CP next monh. You pay me 40 usd a gram for my gold ok what are friend for .
Fast eddie 48
Dan Hawaii
03-18-08, 10:02
Dan,
I was just kidding. Never listen to what the mamasan tells you. They lie all the time to get tip from you or make you feel bad if you don't. Please don't tell me you are not making money in this gold market. You are a bigger liar than the girl in CP. I will be in CP next monh. You pay me 40 usd a gram for my gold ok what are friend for .
Fast eddie 48
Yeah, $40 per gram, what you been smoking! Only for Platinum dude (actually $60 per gram). Gold needs to hit $1244 for that to materialize. You want to wipe out my bank account?? Hahaha. What days in CP? Early April I hope. Hows about Angeles and Makati? Going to be there from April 8 to April 18.
Mamasans, I listen, but I just don't understand them;) hahaha. Nah for real, I don't understand them. Its ok, I let my little buddy do the thinking for me anyway. Hope to bump into you sometime this year.
Pointpanic
03-18-08, 10:49
I've had no problems withdrawing up to 2500 a day at the ATMs next to McDonalds over the past three years for Hui Hua, Miraton, Walter KTVs and Saunas. Works with the Cirrus network and have not even had any fees charged. I last used it just 10 days ago. Bank of China across from Lion has been very reliable also for Lion and P.P Club KTVs. Ditto your advice with exchanging bills in hotel lobbies though.
I've consistently used the Bank of China that is down by the Lion Hotel, there is also another Bank of China if you turn left at that street, cross street and go down about 2 blocks. BoC consistently works with all ATM cards.
Withdrawal limit is 2000-2500 which is typical of most ATMs. Agricultural Bank also seems to be good. I have been able to withdraw more than once in a day as the daily limit seems to be set by your bank outside the country (if you need more call your bank and they will raise it. If they don't change banks) I did notice thet the China construction bank had ATMs with 100-200 RMB withdrawal limits. Not fun.
I've had bad luck with the China Construction bank, some of their ATMs are UnionPay only (or something like that) meaning they don't work with the cirrus, plus, visa networks. Especially the one next to the Mcdonald's. And that was 6 weeks ago.
Currency exchange at hotels means they are finicky on bills, no marks, staple holes, creases, nothing which means they'll only change about 1 of every 2 bills. The manager though if you insist will take your money and go exchange it at the deli/other location where they are less picky. If you bills are torn you are just screwed. Bring crisp clean ones.
Bill,
I always bring traveler check amex in 500 and 1000 you get better exchange rate than USD bill, if I have extra I just deposit into my account in bank of china and I had been doing this for the last 5 yr as the dollar have drop so much but cp bank will not accept traveler check you need to go to Shenzhen or Dongguan city .
Fast eddie 48
I am going to ask again... why bother? Why not just go to an ATM and get money instead of going through all these trouble? And for most part, the bills you get from an ATM machine are not fake.
Pointpanic
03-18-08, 12:02
yalan to swan lake is just two short blocks away, though you should slip down the alley to your left as you head up toward swan lake so as to take in baby's before you exit its alley to swan lake. then as you face the newly renovated hotel go to your left to r2 and up the stairs to the ktv past the bar and voila, a stairwell full of girls. they moved there from the building that used to be california red by the new manhattan hotel. still the same 2 -4 rate with many new girls but get there at 4. if you keep heading down the street past manhattan you come out at jia yi. if you missed swan lake and keep heading up the street from yalan you will come to penninsula which has a great ktv with a model girls and a show room band, but try to stay on the 4th floor up the spiral stair case and not get stuck up in the new annex above the sauna on the 13b floor which seems to have less of a selection of girls unless you request more from down below. i actually enjoy the walks from hui hua to yalan. you can also take a peek at the night market, best after 10, near the hospital towards the park and canal. hope this helps. have fun. go joe can give you a tour since he will be in town. quote=prince2]pp - thanks for the heads up. btw do you know how long it takes to get from the yalan area to swan lake? is the pricing structure the same in the swan lake area
cheers[/quote]
1. Reports of fake notes possible from ATM
2. Foreign currency conversion fee
3. ATM fee
Bill
I am going to ask again... why bother? Why not just go to an ATM and get money instead of going through all these trouble? And for most part, the bills you get from an ATM machine are not fake.
1. Reports of fake notes possible from ATM
2. Foreign currency conversion fee
3. ATM fee
Bill
Thanks Bill,
1) I have heard that too. I almost always get money from HSBC ATM machines and they are almost always brand new 100 RMB bills. Never had problem with them.
2 & 3) I took 5,000 RMB out on Friday. ATM exchange rate, including charges, were 7.07925. The official exchange rate was 7.08822 on the same day. My bank debited my account US$706.29, and if I would have exchanged at the bank, and if bank would have given me the "official rate", then it would have cost me $705.40. A whopping 89 cents in saving. Is it worth it to me to go and stand in line at the bank and bring my passport and fill the form to save less than a dollar? Not really.
But again, a Penny here and a penny there and soon we are talking real money!
Best Regards,
APAC Man
Fast Eddie 48
03-18-08, 16:54
I am going to ask again... why bother? Why not just go to an ATM and get money instead of going through all these trouble? And for most part, the bills you get from an ATM machine are not fake.Apac man,
I understand ATM is convience, and for most of you it is the way to go.
I hate dealing with bank.
Also, service is bad and slow, but I hate to bring alot of cash from the US.
My account in China pays 3.78% interst and it is in RMB.
The way the US dollar is dropping, why bring the USD back to US.
Fast eddie 48
For what it's worth, doesn't the cost of buying the traveler's check even out any saving you may get?
I do agree that keeping the money in RMB is a good choice especially when you return to China so often.
Bill
Bill,
I always bring traveler check amex in 500 and 1000 you get better exchange rate than USD bill, if I have extra I just deposit into my account in bank of china and I had been doing this for the last 5 yr as the dollar have drop so much but cp bank will not accept traveler check you need to go to Shenzhen or Dongguan city .
Fast eddie 48
I know that most places don't take them, including banks and hotels in China. But a service fee too from the depositing bank? WOW. Sounds like travelers cheques are best for emergency money.
(It's great to be able to edit after someone comments on your post - thanks Weelock).
Bill
1. Reports of fake notes possible from ATM
2. Foreign currency conversion fee
3. ATM fee
BillI would say ATM is the best (for taking out cash and for great cum), tat being said you need to check your note TWICE i have had fakes, both being 100rmb notes, that is 100% fact.
For what it's worth, doesn't the cost of buying the traveler's check even out any saving you may get?
I do agree that keeping the money in RMB is a good choice especially when you return to China so often.
Bill
Depending on the bank, and the type of account, traveler's checks can be free. Then you also get a little higher exchange rate than cash.
The bad part is not all banks will take them. There's tons of paperwork. Then the bank will take a service fee something like 3%. I don't know exactly what's the fee but at the end, even with the 3% fee, the amount you get back is a little more than cash.
I keep about $300USD in traverler's check for emergencies. Replacing them like credit cards are a problem. I don't what's the procedure for replacing traveler's check. For credit cards, It might take 5-7 working days in Shenzhen for them to wire money or to replace the cards. I think it's faster if you are a big city like Hong Kong or Shanghai. Nevertheless, it's still better than losing cash because you can replace the traveler's checks.
Fast Eddie 48
03-18-08, 21:18
Depending on the bank, and the type of account, traveler's checks can be free. Then you also get a little higher exchange rate than cash.
The bad part is not all banks will take them. There's tons of paperwork. Then the banks will take a service fee something like 3%. I don't know exactly what's the fee, but at the end even with the 3% fee, the amount you get back is a little more than cash.
I keep about $300USD in traverler's check for emergercies. Replacing them like credit cards are a problem. I don't what's the procedure for replacing traveler's check. For credit cards, It might take 5-7 working days in Shenzhen for them to wire money or replace the cards. I think it's faster if you are a big city like Hong Kong or Shanghai. Nevertheless, it's still better than losing cash because you can replace the traveler's checks.Bill /weelock,
My US bank doesn't charge me for American Express traveler checks.
Some banks charge 1%, and the Bank of China charges a small fee to change them, but is small one.
A month ago the rate was 7.21 for TC and 7.13 for USD.
Amex have office in Hong Hong and Shenzhen.
They replace same day, and yes it is more difficult to change in China than in Hong Hong. You must show passport and ID.
Fast eddie 48
Fast Eddie 48
03-18-08, 21:24
Yeah, $40 per gram, what you been smoking! Only for Platinum dude (actually $60 per gram). Gold needs to hit $1244 for that to materialize. You want to wipe out my bank account?? Hahaha. What days in CP? Early April I hope. Hows about Angeles and Makati? Going to be there from April 8 to April 18. Dan,
It look like the end of April, mostly in Zhu hai and Shanghai.
I'm not sure about CP now.
I've been to AC and Manila too many times already, and it is not a bargain anymore.
Thanks to monger like yourself that kill the market over there.
Fast eddie 48
yalan to swan lake is just two short blocks away, though you should slip down the alley to your left as you head up toward swan lake so as to take in baby's before you exit its alley to swan lake. then as you face the newly renovated hotel go to your left to r2 and up the stairs to the ktv past the bar and voila, a stairwell full of girls. they moved there from the building that used to be california red by the new manhattan hotel. still the same 2 -4 rate with many new girls but get there at 4. if you keep heading down the street past manhattan you come out at jia yi. if you missed swan lake and keep heading up the street from yalan you will come to penninsula which has a great ktv with a model girls and a show room band, but try to stay on the 4th floor up the spiral stair case and not get stuck up in the new annex above the sauna on the 13b floor which seems to have less of a selection of girls unless you request more from down below. i actually enjoy the walks from hui hua to yalan. you can also take a peek at the night market, best after 10, near the hospital towards the park and canal. hope this helps. have fun. go joe can give you a tour since he will be in town. quote=prince2]pp - thanks for the heads up. btw do you know how long it takes to get from the yalan area to swan lake? is the pricing structure the same in the swan lake area
cheers[/quote]
excellent info - thanks for taking the time to post
SE Asia Joe
03-19-08, 05:32
An experience I had in CP a week or so ago has really been bothering me but I really don't know how to write about it without perhaps violating an ISG rule or another.
Anyway, last week, as is my usual habit of sourcing one last gal before I get on the train to go home, I had basically phoned all my 'contacts' but failed to secure anyone. ( lots were still at home, the others, it was just too early for them). So I went downstairs of the Miraton and was promptly accosted by that Mommie who always hanging around outside. (You won't miss her - or rather, she'll never miss anybody coming out of the Miraton side door).
This Mommie then proceeded to "introduce' to me a series of gals - one as bad or even worse than the last and of course I declined. Well that is when she said that since I'm such a good client, that she has a "special treat" for me. And that was when she produced this gal who was reallly really young.
OHMIGAWD, to me it was truly disgusting....I couldn't believe how young this gal was... and I couldn't help it, but I was really mad and proceeded to really tell her off and promptly high tailed it out of there.
As I said, I was/am truly disgusted - but more so than anything else, I am writing this to warn others here of this danger and to be careful. This is especially the case for you Laowais who really just haven't got a clue as to how old our xiaojies really are, just by looking at them.
And for those sickos who becasue of my this writing is aware of such going ons in CP and is contemplating coming here to practice their perversions - DON'T! China these days may be quite 'liberal' when enforcing their laws on general mongering - but I can tell you that paedophiles will definitely get shot or worse.
SE Asia Joe
SE Asia Joe
03-19-08, 11:22
Anybody in CP - Thursday - Saturday during Easter Week-end?
SE Asia Joe
i agree with se asia joe, if ever confronted with an **** girl or one you think maybe **** get yourself out of the situation asap. i was at the ktv that used to be called versailles last year and after one of the girls sat down we started chit chatting and she said that she was 16. i like them young but not that young! i told her she was too young, paid her the sitting fee and told her she could go. my time in china is usually very short and i'm there for work and fun, the last thing i want is any kinda trouble. nothing is worth jail time in china.
on another topic, from a few different post i've read it seems that a few ktvs are trying to charge 3-6-9. my questions is: are any of them worth it?
thanks
SEAJ. Saw something similar when at one of the places near Yalan, yes I agree very bad, this girl still had baby fat. Might be hard to tell by face how old they are but by their personality it is easy to tell if they are mature or not. Seems it is more common than I thought.
Never mind, went for Holiday Inn Shifu in the end!
Anybody in CP - Thursday - Saturday during Easter Week-end?
SE Asia Joe
Yep, Ill be around, i've sent the details to your inbox
On another topic, from a few different post I've read it seems that a few KTVs are trying to charge 3-6-9. My questions is: Are any of them worth it?
Thanks
There is no need to pay 3-6-9 because there are plenty of good venues and pretty girls available at 2-5-8.
They obviously want to improve their bottom line by increasing their prices. But if customers will not pay more they will have to look for another option, such as, improve the service to attract more customers.
Old Mean Dog
03-20-08, 06:12
As I said, I was/am truly disgusted - but more so than anything else, I am writing this to warn others here of this danger and to be careful. This is especially the case for you Laowais who really just haven't got a clue as to how old our xiaojies really are, just by looking at them.
SE Asia Joe
Joe, this is a pretty delicate subject. Unless you are insisting on seeing the girls ID cards (if she has it), or you just have some gut feeling, your just gonna take their word for it.
It is difficult to distinguish age when they are only 1-3 years in difference from each other.
What is the age to be legally considered an adult in China?
-CPE
Hi all in Dongguan Form,
I'm going to Canton Fair next month. In the past I have stayed in Guangzhou and Foshan but as most of you who have been to GZ and Foshan will know the mongering seen is not good. I have been to Shanghai and had soapy massage with pretty little birds(over 18) but I never got this in GZ.
I read a report about the Crown prince Hotel in Dongguan where I can have a soapy massage with all the trimmings. What I want to know is:
1. Is the Crown Prince Hotel near the City of Dongguan?
2. Is CP near this area?
3. Are there any bars or clubs in the area of the Crown prince?
4. Is this a good hotel to chouse ore should I try some other area?
I think this hotel has shuttle service to the fair daly which would be good I think.
So as a newbe to the Dongguan Form I need your advice lads and promiss a report on my return.
Daft Boy
daft boy,
here are the short answers to your questions. i'm sure others will feel free to add. i stay at the crown prince exlusively during my stays in dongguan. probably one of two 5 star hotels in dongguan, the other is the goodview in tangxia. a little bit on the pricy side for china, but still very cheap good hotel. probably cost you around $130-200 us dollars per night during the fair.
1. no. crown prince is in huangjiang town. adjacent to changping.
2. changping is 10 min away by car.
3. not really, nothing is within walking distance besides a few rep001tered restaurants. crown prince has its own bar, that isnt too bad. very english friendly.
4. i like this hotel a lot. probably the most luxourious in the immediate area. if you want something better you can go to the new hyatt or the sheraton in other surrounding towns. the only downside if you will, is its not really for the budget conscious.
on a side note, i'll be at the prince and the dongguan area from april 30-may 6 or so, if you want to send me a pm.
'lad
I just spent 2 weeks in Changping and I am in Zhuhai with a shanghai freebie now. I went to 3 KTV's with some great guys from ISG, and went to Yalan and BBS shops about 6 times. I got about 6 girls from BBS and Yalan and 3 girls from KTV. I did not go to a sauna. I want to go back to CP in 2 days to do that too and than I will go back to shanghai.
Beside that I got to know about 10 freebies.
Sex with the freebies was the best except with one girl from Yalan who was good too. Most of the KTV girls were a waste of time and money when it comes to sex. Too expensive and too lame and they are too tired in bed from drinking all night.
You guys were right when you said that it is not worth paying 500 or 800 for a KTV girl and that it is better to get a girl later from the night market.
But I also had a nice freebie surprise from the first KTV. The girl I took home would not take any money from me.
Some of you were asking how I got so many freebies in the city of money hungry girls.
I did not try to get a freebie in the beginning. The first one was a girl from a KTV, who said that she did not want any money but a real boyfriend. I told her that I don't even know her and how I could be her boyfriend in such a short time since I just met her and knew nothing about her.
She said we could get to know each other slowly and she went home with me. She said if I wanted to give her money than she would not spent the night with me. The next day she insisted on not taking any money and when I wanted to put it into her bag she just ran out the door.
She called and sent messages every day afterwards and she stayed three times at my place overnight, always refusing money. In the end she got pretty sticky and scary. She started to get jealous and all of the sudden showed up in the restaurant were Santa and I were having a drink at 2. 30h in the morning. She was checking on me if I was seeing any other girls, althought she was working in the KTV every day entertaining and f. Customers. In the end I did not answer her phone calls for about 8 days and yesterday called her back to say hello. She cooled down since then and is not jealous anymore and we still are friends. She might be coming to shanghai and I will be showing her around.
I met most freebies on the street. When I really liked a girl than I asked her for her phone number and I then met them later.
I found out that they were not so eager to meet me because they wanted money. A couple of times I offered money from the beginning and than suddenly they were not interested anymore in meeting me.
It seems some of those girls are actually really looking for someone they could like and someone who would like them back.
Only once a girl asked me for money although I told her from the beginning that I am not looking for a girl who wants money. I can get that kind of girl when I go to Yalan. She said she was working in a hotel and that she wanted to be my gf, but still requested 800 from me in the end. She saw it as a way of that I would be prooving to her how much I appreciated and really liked her. I did really like her and told her that in my culture I am not showing my affection though money but through how well I treat and respect the girl. I told her that if I really liked and respected a girl than it would be an insult to give her money. She said that our thinking is not the same and started to rip my cloth apart.
I offered her 300, since we only made it once, and even a KTV girl has to give some money from her 500, at least 150 to 200 RMB to her MAMI.
She still wanted 800.
The end of the story is that after warning the girl about 25 times I called the police because she did not let go of me after 2 hours, and in the end she was seriously ripping my cloth on the street, which is worth more than 800. The police came and finally the girl agreed to let me go. I told the girl to take 300 and to take a hike before the police would come, but she did not even care.
I thought about it later on and talked about it with Santa afterwards and this whole affair seemed like a lovers fight. I realized that she wanted me to prove to her how much I liked and respected her by giving her as much money as she thought she deserved.completely contradictory to the western culture, where you don't give a girl money when you like her. She would feel offended.
Now that I understand why she wanted money, maybe I should have given her 800, although we agreed from the beginning that money would not be involved at all. But it might have been a scam too.
Anyway that was the only bad experience I had with freebies in CP.
All other experiences were ok.
An other girl from Yalan kept calling and sending messages to me for 8 days every day, telling me that she misses me and that she wants to spent time together with me. She said she does not want any money from me.
I did not take her seriously in the beginning, but than I decided to meet her anyway, and she really did not want any money.
An other girl from a massage place wanted to go home with me after giving me a massage.
Stories like this in different variations. I don't know why I am offered free sex in CP every day.
Anybody else having experiences with freebies in CP?
If anyone wants to meet up with me in CP than please PM me.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Why didn't one of you other guys tell us newbies it was so easy. Freebies just for the asking on the streets! It didn't occur to me to ask all the girls on the streets for free sex. As Homer Simpson would say... "Doh". I guess you're either a really lucky guy or you must be super good looking (maybe part man, part horse?). Either way, if you can get it, get it. I'm neither so I'll keep paying.
Speaking of paying.
What order would you guys rate the KTVs in CP for the following?
1. Girls (most important)
2. How nice are the KTV rooms
3. Best service/value
List whatever KTVs you have gone to in the last 12 months.
Here is my list so far.
Girls
1. Prince
2. Goodview
3. Royal garden (3-6-9 rates here)
4. Windsor Hotel (Jaguar)
5. Amazon (got there late so maybe I didn't the better girls who were already picked)
I find this category really varies every 6months or so but Prince usually has the most girls.
KTV rooms
1. Royal Garden (very modern and nice)
2. Goodview
3. Prince (getting a little old)
4. Windsor
5. Amazon (needed renovations, some rooms had China style washrooms)
Best Service/Value
1. Windsor
2. Prince
3. Goodview
4. Amazon
5. Royal Garden (good service but expensive)
Interested in seeing what some of you guys think of this list and how your list differs.
Cheers
Beside that I got to know about 10 freebies.
Are you actually saying that you fucked 10 girls and you didn't have to pay?
Bill
Dan Hawaii
03-22-08, 20:35
Are you actually saying that you fucked 10 girls and you didn't have to pay?
Bill
Yeap, from what I read, that is exactly what he is saying. He must be a Chinese Fabio.
"I don't know why I am offered free sex in CP every day."
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Beside that I got to know about 10 freebies.
Sex with the freebies was the best except with one girl from Yalan who was good too. Most of the KTV girls were a waste of time and money when it comes to sex. Too expensive and too lame and they are too tired in bed from drinking all night.
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with all those freebies in a short time, someone must have tipped the girls off that you are Bill Gates brother. either that you are doing something that the girls are seeing big dollar signs all over you. Even with a 18 incher, getting so much freebies is unbelievable. This is also be a bunch of BS....
not flaming you...but just my pov.
Old Mean Dog
03-23-08, 06:09
Are you actually saying that you fucked 10 girls and you didn't have to pay?
Bill
I met Tightway briefly, via Santa, and though I cannot confirm his 10 freebies, I do know he did have an altercation with the one that involved the police. He was also quite forward with a foot massage girl from the Hui Mei (I think #111), he was able to get her phone number within a matter of minutes and I assume was charming to her as his Chinese (putonghua) is pretty good. Tightway is not some old, crusty dude like Bill Lee, he's also a snappy dresser and looks like he may have some scratch in his pocket ;)
It's CP, nothing surprises me anymore...
-CPE
Fast Eddie 48
03-23-08, 06:47
with all those freebies in a short time, someone must have tipped the girls off that you are Bill Gates brother. either that you are doing something that the girls are seeing big dollar signs all over you. Even with a 18 incher, getting so much freebies is unbelievable. This is also be a bunch of BS....
not flaming you...but just my pov.To All
To all you newbie monger don't be naive like Tightway all this girl want your money there are no free lunch in this world, most KTV girl want your money they just say they don't want your money in the beginning they just want to land the big fish at the end buy them a condo and be your mistress, Tightway use your big head you are not Fxxxxxx Tom cruise ok.
Fast Eddie 48
SE Asia Joe
03-23-08, 10:21
I met Tightway briefly, via Santa, and though I cannot confirm his 10 freebies, I do know he did have an altercation with the one that involved the police. He was also quite forward with a foot massage girl from the Hui Mei (I think #111), he was able to get her phone number within a matter of minutes and I assume was charming to her as his Chinese (putonghua) is pretty good. Tightway is not some old, crusty dude like Bill Lee, he's also a snappy dresser and looks like he may have some scratch in his pocket ;)
It's CP, nothing surprises me anymore...
-CPE
Yeah - I can confirm that this guy is quite a snazzy dresser and does have quite a good grasp of not only speaking Putonghua, but to come across as a Laowai who is only seeking true love i/o paid ones. Now I cannot confirm about the 10 but he does go "fishing in a barrel full of fish" as he not only picks up girls on the street, but also frequents establishments where P4P action is in play. He comes on with this I want true love thing and I believe that this is how he melts these Xiaojies!
All of us know what most of the gals that catches our eyes on CP streets does for a living - well, Tightway ignores this and treats 'em just as what they claim themselves to be. The old Susie Wong thing - where these gals pretends to be somebody else when they are not actually at work - and they fall right in to his arms when he treats as the teacher, nurse, sales gal or whatever they claim themselves to be.
But of course I do know that he's also met with disasters a couple or so times when the gal he so charmingly courted figures out that he only wanted to get into their pants. And that is wheh they revert back to form and demands payment for services rendered - as what happened in that 30-800-police-torn clothing thing he relayed!!
Gotta hand it to him though - he does get what he wants. I'm sure that I wouldn't want to do the same thing he does - its too much trouble, too much danger and I just cain't be bothered! PLus of course I ain't no young unmarried spring chicken no more! But to each his own I guess
SE Asia Joe
SE Asia Joe
03-23-08, 11:23
- Hotel rates are all going up and are its harder to make hotel reservations at the better hotels nowadays.
_ Walter where I last stayed at now has WIFI as well as land lines which OAH tried and judge to be quite fast. Walter was 260/day but will be going up to 328 april 1. Miraton has also gone up by approx RMB30.
- Swan Lake/R2 BBS is alive and kicking with lots of talent - but they're rying to pull this "it's now 100 to me and 150 to the gal" thing even on me! OK guys - time to stand the ground and not let these mommas get their way for otherwise they're gonna get their way and 250 IS gonna be the price.
- Lots of returning xiaojies as well as new ones all over the place. with the returning ones trying to hook back up with their "old" clients ( I had 4 gals call me whilst I was there 2 nights!) whilst the new ones are on their best (??) behavior to get their clientelle.
- Did have a real Anhui beauty but OHMIGAWD - what terrible service. No to everything plus nowadays, it is so damn difficult to take ANY pictures at all - they all think they're Cecilia Cheungs!
- Damn place is over-run by singaporean, Malaysians and other SE Asians! HELP!!!! And worse I even spotted a whole tour group of ugly, plain mid 20's to mid 30's gals - Shit - what the hell where they doing in CP??? Is there going to be a new "Duck" industry starting up?
SE Asia Joe
What order would you guys rate the KTVs in CP for the following?
1. Girls (most important)
2. How nice are the KTV rooms
3. Best service/value
List whatever KTVs you have gone to in the last 12 months.
Girls fall in to 2 catagories, eye candy, and fun factor. Some places have better eye candy, but some places have girls who are more fun to be around. Depending on which you prefer, you could get very different answers.
For eye candy in places I've been to in the last year.
1. Sheraton Houjie
2. Royal Garden (ask for the model girls)
3. Cinese
4. Jia Hua
5. Goodview
6. Prince
7. Hui Hua
8. Jiayi
9. Peninsula
10. Virgin
11. Haiyatt
12. Dongcheng
13. Exhibition
14. Haiyatt
15. Miraton
16. Hui Mei (I hear it's dead lately though)
To be honest though, after the first 3, the rest are very similar and on any given day, you can swap number 15 with number 4 or any of the others. I would add Lungcheun International and Amazon too, but haven't been to those in about 18 months.
KTV ambiance
1. Royal Garden (no one comes close)
2. Prince (only because of the show)
3. Goodview (the rock paper scissors guy on the show is amazing)
You can lump the rest together. Cinese, several months ago, used to have a model show, I don't know if they still have it, but that was interesting for a bit.
Value
1. PP (can't beat BOGO)
All the others are very similar in pricing and usually have buy 2 get 1 free deal. A couple places are 3/6/9 for girls, so those would be towards the bottom of the list, but those places also have other things going for it, like prettier girls or better ambiance.
Moody, you been a lucky boy to go to all of these places recently. Thats quite a list, I'm going to have to try the Houjie area on my next trip. I read that it's about 30-40mins by car from downtown CP. I also agree that the quality at the majority of places goes up and down all of the time. I think when all else fails, places with more girls are safer bets to ensure you find one you like.
My only problem when it comes to KTVs is the tipping for service staff at the KTVs. The first time I went, my friend informed us what his usually tipping is: DJs. 100, Manager and or Mommy (if very helpful). 100. But nowadays, it seems some places expect DJs-200, their helpers-100, Managers and Mommies at your discretion. Can anyone shed some light on the general tipping of staff at KTVs?
Thanks
Playboy2000
03-23-08, 20:28
Girls fall in to 2 catagories, eye candy, and fun factor. Some places have better eye candy, but some places have girls who are more fun to be around. Depending on which you prefer, you could get very different answers.
For eye candy in places I've been to in the last year.
1. Sheraton Houjie
2. Royal Garden (ask for the model girls)
3. Cinese
4. Jia Hua
5. Goodview
6. Prince
7. Hui Hua
8. Jiayi
9. Peninsula
10. Virgin
11. Haiyatt
12. Dongcheng
13. Exhibition
14. Haiyatt
15. Miraton
16. Hui Mei (I hear it's dead lately though)
To be honest though, after the first 3, the rest are very similar and on any given day, you can swap number 15 with number 4 or any of the others. I would add Lungcheun International and Amazon too, but haven't been to those in about 18 months.
KTV ambiance
1. Royal Garden (no one comes close)
2. Prince (only because of the show)
3. Goodview (the rock paper scissors guy on the show is amazing)
You can lump the rest together. Cinese, several months ago, used to have a model show, I don't know if they still have it, but that was interesting for a bit.
Value
1. PP (can't beat BOGO)
All the others are very similar in pricing and usually have buy 2 get 1 free deal. A couple places are 3/6/9 for girls, so those would be towards the bottom of the list, but those places also have other things going for it, like prettier girls or better ambiance.
(1) What is BOGO???
(2) So what KTVs have the most fun girls?
Girls fall in to 2 catagories, eye candy, and fun factor. Some places have better eye candy, but some places have girls who are more fun to be around. Depending on which you prefer, you could get very different answers.
For eye candy in places I've been to in the last year.
1. Sheraton Houjie
2. Royal Garden (ask for the model girls)
3. Cinese
4. Jia Hua
5. Goodview
6. Prince
7. Hui Hua
8. Jiayi
9. Peninsula
10. Virgin
11. Haiyatt
12. Dongcheng
13. Exhibition
14. Haiyatt
15. Miraton
16. Hui Mei (I hear it's dead lately though)
To be honest though, after the first 3, the rest are very similar and on any given day, you can swap number 15 with number 4 or any of the others. I would add Lungcheun International and Amazon too, but haven't been to those in about 18 months.
KTV ambiance
1. Royal Garden (no one comes close)
2. Prince (only because of the show)
3. Goodview (the rock paper scissors guy on the show is amazing)
You can lump the rest together. Cinese, several months ago, used to have a model show, I don't know if they still have it, but that was interesting for a bit.
Value
1. PP (can't beat BOGO)
All the others are very similar in pricing and usually have buy 2 get 1 free deal. A couple places are 3/6/9 for girls, so those would be towards the bottom of the list, but those places also have other things going for it, like prettier girls or better ambiance.Which of these KTV have a main hall for guys that visit KTV alone?
Chang Ping
03-24-08, 04:48
Girls fall in to 2 catagories, eye candy, and fun factor. Some places have better eye candy, but some places have girls who are more fun to be around. Depending on which you prefer, you could get very different answers.
For eye candy in places I've been to in the last year.
1. Sheraton Houjie
2. Royal Garden (ask for the model girls)
....
All the others are very similar in pricing and usually have buy 2 get 1 free deal. A couple places are 3/6/9 for girls, so those would be towards the bottom of the list, but those places also have other things going for it, like prettier girls or better ambiance.Unless my friends and I got conned...the rate at Royal Garden is 3/8/11 and the models cost even more!!
Good looking gals but expensive
Sheraton Houjie? Thought the KJs there looked better :-)
Unless my friends and I got conned...the rate at Royal Garden is 3/8/11 and the models cost even more!!
Good looking gals but expensive
Sheraton Houjie? Thought the KJs there looked better :-)
Rate for regular girls at Royal Garden is supposed to be 3/6/9, forgot off hand how much the model girls were, but the sitting fee is 500. They had some very nice looking model girls last few times I went. I think KTV tends to be seasonal. Sometimes, the talent at Sheraton not so good, but other times, it's as good as high end places in Shenzhen. This applies to all places though, some nights, talent at one is really good, but go back the next day, not so much.
Which of these KTV have a main hall for guys that visit KTV alone?
Think more or less all of them, although I don't remember seeing one at Royal Garden, but I could be wrong. I usually have a room reserved when I go, and get lead directly so don't always see the entire establishment unless I've been there a lot of times.
(1) What is BOGO???
(2) So what KTVs have the most fun girls?
BOGO = buy one get one.
As for fun girls... it all depends on what you consider fun. I like girls who drink a lot and usually request those types of girls from the mommies. Virgin had a lot drinkers, Jiayi is usually pretty good too. Prince isn't bad in that respect either. Goodview, the last few times I've been there, really didn't have many girls who liked to drink, but that could also be because I arrived late those times. To be honest, it's all the same. KTV is KTV is KTV. The only reason to move around really is to see new faces.
Moody, you been a lucky boy to go to all of these places recently. Thats quite a list, I'm going to have to try the Houjie area on my next trip. I read that it's about 30-40mins by car from downtown CP. I also agree that the quality at the majority of places goes up and down all of the time. I think when all else fails, places with more girls are safer bets to ensure you find one you like.
My only problem when it comes to KTVs is the tipping for service staff at the KTVs. The first time I went, my friend informed us what his usually tipping is: DJs. 100, Manager and or Mommy (if very helpful). 100. But nowadays, it seems some places expect DJs-200, their helpers-100, Managers and Mommies at your discretion. Can anyone shed some light on the general tipping of staff at KTVs?
Houjie is on the west side of Dongguan. You're correct in saying it's about 30-40 minutes by car.
Thanks
DJ/KJ/Princess tip is usually same as hostess tip. You don't have to tip the managers or mommies and I never do. It starts a bad habit because afterwards, they always expect it. Even if they ask me to, I don't. The worst place for that is Cinese, and that's the primary reason I stopped going there. It just gets annoying after a while. You have to understand, the mommies all get kickbacks from the girls. The managers all get commissions from the booze. They make enough off me. In Shenzhen it's a bit different. You're expected to tip the service staff.
Hi all,
I've decided to stay in CP area for the Canton Fair in April (3 nights) after reeding the reports here and having some PM sent to me.
My big question is which hotel to book???
I like the sound of the Crown Prince for the sauna etc but my concern is will I be too far from CP to take back LT to the hotel and will I have any problems with getting girls into the hotel after 11pm??
I'm also thinking I should book into the Miraton for the centre or the action and make a visit to the Prince as I want!!!!!!!!!
Do any of you know has the miraton a bus going to Canton fair each day of the fair??
I don't mind paying extra for the prince but I dont want to take myself away from the action in CP.
Any advice please????
Also if anyone wants to meet up on 25th April to 28th April my friend and I would be more then happy to have a fellow hunter with us.
Daft Boy.
I was in Jia Yi last Friday night, and i could have sworn there were more sausages than I'd ever seen at the ladies line up room. I'm guessing there were tons of ISG members there that Friday night that I've yet to met. But i felt like i was fighting for girls that I liked that night. That also coupled with Hong Kongers coming up for their 4 day holiday and those damn Singaporean, Malaysian, Taiwan Tour groups that come with 20 people at a time was quite annoying.
I experienced similar situations at Crown Prince KTV, where I was fighting with tour groups of 10-12 Southeast Asian guys for the top beauties at the modeling room last Monday as well. It's getting quite annoying, because the Singaporeans and Malaysians are ruining the market in CP overall. Every girls starts liking them more because they are more generous in their tipping, sometimes tipping 100RMB over what other people pay. I've had 4 girls in CP already saying and telling me how much they love Singaporeans, Malaysians and Indonesians cause they tip well (which means overpaying).
Jojo's room ran out of the good quality girls last week by 5 pm, picked by a tour group of Singaporeans. I mean i'm not hating, first come first serve. But when they come in waves of 10-14 guys it's hard to pick up the leftovers. So i had to go there extra early at 3 pm and i had to even reserve girls ahead of time by developing better friendships with Baby, Jojo and Xiao Hua. Xiao Hua ran out of girls on Thursday by 7 p m. This has never happened before.
I think as CP becomes too well known, it's getting harder to get girls because of the huge influx of mongers. In addition, the girls are getting more spoiled now by the south east asians. Even many of the foot massage girls in Swan lake and Hui Mei are saying how some Southeast Asian guys are tipping them after a footie.
I feel like the market is slowly being ruined by them... I apologize in advance is there are some southeastern asians that are NOT ruining the market. My comments are generalizing some SE asian guys not all.
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DJ/KJ/Princess tip is usually same as hostess tip. You don't have to tip the managers or mommies and I never do. It starts a bad habit because afterwards, they always expect it. Even if they ask me to, I don't. The worst place for that is Cinese, and that's the primary reason I stopped going there. It just gets annoying after a while. You have to understand, the mommies all get kickbacks from the girls. The managers all get commissions from the booze. They make enough off me. In Shenzhen it's a bit different. You're expected to tip the service staff.
I agree 100% with Moody. There is no need to tip the mommies and managers. Usually tip the waiters about RMB10-20 each before we leave. I never tip them after they offer us hot towels as you will end up being offered hot towels every 15 minutes! Tips for ladies and DJs are at fixed rates.
Old Mean Dog
03-25-08, 05:14
hi all,
i've decided to stay in cp area for the canton fair in april (3 nights) after reeding the reports here and having some pm sent to me.
my big question is which hotel to book???
i like the sound of the crown prince for the sauna etc but my concern is will i be too far from cp to take back lt to the hotel and will i have any problems with getting girls into the hotel after 11pm??
i'm also thinking i should book into the miraton for the centre or the action and make a visit to the prince as i want!!!!!!!!!
do any of you know has the miraton a bus going to canton fair each day of the fair??
i don't mind paying extra for the prince but i dont want to take myself away from the action in cp.
any advice please????
also if anyone wants to meet up on 25th april to 28th april my friend and i would be more then happy to have a fellow hunter with us.
daft boy.
is your priority business or pussy? gz is still 30 minutes by high speed train from cp (does not include the metro or taxi to other side of town). i don't know of any hotel in cp from last year that had a shuttle bus to the fair. why not call the crown or miraton and ask them?
if you are wanting just the common bbs girls, then miraton is better. but since you seem to only come a couple times a year, why not stay at the crown? this way you can assure yourself of an excellent ktv, great sauna and top-shelf hotties.
-cpe
SE Asia Joe
03-25-08, 05:51
Girls fall in to 2 catagories, eye candy, and fun factor. Some places have better eye candy, but some places have girls who are more fun to be around. Depending on which you prefer, you could get very different answers.
For eye candy in places I've been to in the last year.
1. Sheraton Houjie
2. Royal Garden (ask for the model girls)
3. Cinese
4. Jia Hua
5. Goodview
6. Prince
7. Hui Hua
8. Jiayi
9. Peninsula
10. Virgin
11. Haiyatt
12. Dongcheng
13. Exhibition
14. Haiyatt
15. Miraton
16. Hui Mei (I hear it's dead lately though)
To be honest though, after the first 3, the rest are very similar and on any given day, you can swap number 15 with number 4 or any of the others. I would add Lungcheun International and Amazon too, but haven't been to those in about 18 months.
KTV ambiance
1. Royal Garden (no one comes close)
2. Prince (only because of the show)
3. Goodview (the rock paper scissors guy on the show is amazing)
You can lump the rest together. Cinese, several months ago, used to have a model show, I don't know if they still have it, but that was interesting for a bit.
Value
1. PP (can't beat BOGO)
All the others are very similar in pricing and usually have buy 2 get 1 free deal. A couple places are 3/6/9 for girls, so those would be towards the bottom of the list, but those places also have other things going for it, like prettier girls or better ambiance.
Hey Moody - BOGO at PP? You really mean you get 2 GIRLS for the price of one? To sit, ST? LT? I was at PP a couple weeks ago and I didn't even have an inkling on this at all - and although I wasn't buddy buddy with the owner and his brothers, they were all there partying with us in our room!
Actually this kind of things is quite a problem with us more westernized guys - thinking that when with an owner or ?? That one is going to get a better deal - which is of course NOT true in a lot of cases in Asia generally; How many times have I kicked myself for not remembering that when w/the Laoban - that is the time that HE THINKS I'm giving him face and thus naturally willing to shell out top dollars! And lets down my guard of always asking beforehand what are the "terms and conditions" at the particular venue i.e. minimum vs. straight room charge, 2 or 1 dozen beers get 1 dozen free, how many required DJ's at what px, 1-3-6, 2-5-8, 3-7-10, 5-10-15 etc etc. In the old days, some idiotic KTV's even had the nerve to have tried to charge me for each song - NUTS!! And nowadays I hear that there are some KTV's who are trying to pass on to the clients, the copy right fees that they have to pay to the copyright union.
Anyway - would appreciate you clarifying what the BOGO specifically applies to.
On another point - it perhaps is worthwhile for those reading the Donguan thread that whilst in most cases we only refer to CP, there are reports like yours which refers to all other areas in Donguan which is really quite large territory wise i.e. Houjie is at least a good 45 minutes away from CP by car when traffic is OK. Your list may give the impression that they're all within minutes of each other.
SE Asia Joe
SE Asia Joe
03-25-08, 06:04
I was in Jia Yi last Friday night, and i could have sworn there were more sausages than I'd ever seen at the ladies line up room. I'm guessing there were tons of ISG members there that Friday night that I've yet to met. But i felt like i was fighting for girls that I liked that night. That also coupled with Hong Kongers coming up for their 4 day holiday and those damn Singaporean, Malaysian, Taiwan Tour groups that come with 20 people at a time was quite annoying.
I experienced similar situations at Crown Prince KTV, where I was fighting with tour groups of 10-12 Southeast Asian guys for the top beauties at the modeling room last Monday as well. It's getting quite annoying, because the Singaporeans and Malaysians are ruining the market in CP overall. Every girls starts liking them more because they are more generous in their tipping, sometimes tipping 100RMB over what other people pay. I've had 4 girls in CP already saying and telling me how much they love Singaporeans, Malaysians and Indonesians cause they tip well (which means overpaying).
Jojo's room ran out of the good quality girls last week by 5 pm, picked by a tour group of Singaporeans. I mean i'm not hating, first come first serve. But when they come in waves of 10-14 guys it's hard to pick up the leftovers. So i had to go there extra early at 3 pm and i had to even reserve girls ahead of time by developing better friendships with Baby, Jojo and Xiao Hua. Xiao Hua ran out of girls on Thursday by 7 p m. This has never happened before.
I think as CP becomes too well known, it's getting harder to get girls because of the huge influx of mongers. In addition, the girls are getting more spoiled now by the south east asians. Even many of the foot massage girls in Swan lake and Hui Mei are saying how some Southeast Asian guys are tipping them after a footie.
I feel like the market is slowly being ruined by them... I apologize in advance is there are some southeastern asians that are NOT ruining the market. My comments are generalizing some SE asian guys not all.
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YES YES YES - these guys from that other forum - and in a lot of cases, already speaking Putonghua albeit with their La-La twang - are really runing the market! They come in a tour group, suffering too long with their usual intake of dark and/or crap meat that they go NUTS! And dare I say it?? They're even worse than Laowais suffering from a steady diet of whale meat!
Guess I'm just gonna have to exact my revenge by paying their shores a visit and acting like a BSD/IMF to ruin THEIR market!
SE Asia Joe
Anyway - would appreciate you clarifying what the BOGO specifically applies to.
Just the booze.
Chang Ping
03-25-08, 08:20
Guess I'm just gonna have to exact my revenge by paying their shores a visit and acting like a BSD/IMF to ruin THEIR market!
SE Asia JoeTheir market is already subprimed dude. Thats why they are in CP
Btw double checked on Royal Garden. Its 3/8/11 for normal line up gals! Ouch!
SE Asia Joe
03-25-08, 08:33
Just the booze.
oh.....(as I go to the corner, head hung in shame and eyes downcast)
SEAJ
Yeah. I can confirm that this guy is quite a snazzy dresser and does have quite a good grasp of not only speaking Putonghua, but to come across as a Laowai who is only seeking true love I/o paid ones. Now I cannot confirm about the 10 but he does go "fishing in a barrel full of fish" as he not only picks up girls on the street, but also frequents establishments where P4P action is in play. He comes on with this I want true love thing and I believe that this is how he melts these Xiaojies! All of us know what most of the gals that catches our eyes on CP streets does for a living. Well, Tightway ignores this and treats 'them just as what they claim themselves to be. The old Susie Wong thing. Where these gals pretends to be somebody else when they are not actually at work. And they fall right in to his arms when he treats as the teacher, nurse, sales gal or whatever they claim themselves to be.
But of course I do know that he's also met with disasters a couple or so times when the gal he so charmingly courted figures out that he only wanted to get into their pants. And that is wheh they revert back to form and demands payment for services rendered. As what happened in that 30-800-police-torn clothing thing he relayed!
Gotta hand it to him though. He does get what he wants. I'm sure that I wouldn't want to do the same thing he does. Its too much trouble, too much danger and I just cain't be bothered! PLus of course I ain't no young unmarried spring chicken no more! But to each his own I guess
SE Asia JoeOf course I am aware of that most of the girls are looking for someone with money and who may take care of them. But not always.
And like all girls in the world, if someone is dressed nicely and treats the girls well than they find him more apealling. We guys are the same: If a girl is dressed sexy than we will also fall for her easier than when we see her ugly or normal cloth. Last year I partied with a lot of xiao jie in CP at their private parties, and they told me that they enjoy sex more with well dressed and handsome guys who treat them well. Just what normal girls also enjoy. I am no Supermodell. But I really enjoy sex more when the girl enjoys it too and if she likes me a little. If the girl does not enjoy sex (or at least does not pretend she does) than I don't enjoy it either.
Almost all girls don't have the luxury to give up their "jobs" to be with a poor guy they really like. They are all desperate for money, for one reason or an other. (Parents are sick, bad living situation at home, wanting to open a shop and having no money, sick of working in the factory for 18 hours a day, etc.)
If they can find a guy they like and who can also get them out of this situation than they will go with him. But if a man is not willing or able to take care of the girls financial needs than she has to go on working as a Xiao Jie in Changping or whereever you find her in the world. If she likes you than she will still be with you. But you have to accept that she will also do her job as she did before.
You can also get a university student, foot massage, shop, restaurant, hotel or any other girl with a normal occupation. But don't be so sure that she is not working at a BBS or KTV on the weekend to supplement her income.
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Bogo. Joe don't feel bad I was under the impression that I too missed something when we were there. Maybe that was why I couldn't get the clingy drunk girl who passed out away from me.
The drinks makes more sense, but given that they were the new kid on the block a BOGO sitting fee wouldn't have been out of the question I don't think since most everyone was going ST LT which makes that 'feature'
Oh well. Too good to be true.
Just the booze.
Dan Hawaii's nickname for SEA Joe is "TwoCan". I don't think Joe really cares about BOGO. JiaYi is BOGO too if I remember correctly.
Originally Posted by Tightway
...Beside that I got to know about 10 freebies....
So did you actually fucked 10 girls in CP and not pay for them? And please, you other people don't answer for him. Now that he's indicated how he could have done them, I want know if he actually fucked 10 girls for free?
Bill
Starting yesterday, at 10:18, read all the posts. Shits happening in BJ.
LE could be monitoring our thread too.
Bill
SE Asia Joe
03-26-08, 03:18
Dan Hawaii's nickname for SEA Joe is "TwoCan". I don't think Joe really cares about BOGO. JiaYi is BOGO too if I remember correctly.
Hey - I'm a cheap date! Can and a half and I'm ready to party, 2 and I'm out blotto. Damn those guys who'se always collecting full share of the costs from me! Oh well - makes up for all the groping I do with all THEIR gals!!
SEAJ
Originally Posted by Tightway
. Beside that I got to know about 10 freebies.
So did you actually fucked 10 girls in CP and not pay for them? And please, you other people don't answer for him. Now that he's indicated how he could have done them, I want know if he actually fucked 10 girls for free?
BillYes, I fucked ten of them but got to know more than 10 freebees that I did not follow up on. I also don't have so much interest anymore in getting to know more working girls or poor girls unless I think they are really special or really cute or sexy. (Of course if I am horny I still want sex.) And even than I look into their eyes, look at the way they walk or talk and if I think they had too much sex and can't enjoy it anymore than I am also not interested.
There is one girl at the reception in my hotel who gave me her phone number and who really wants to go out with me. She is kind of cute and still innocent and I think she does not do any other part time jobs in CP. I did not follow up on her because I don't want to feel awkward when I bring a girl in to my hotel.
But since I might be leaving soon or changing the hotel, I may meet her before I go. On some days I fucked 3 or 4 different girls in one day. Half WK Girls and half freebies. At the end of the day my body and mind feels confused from having sex with some girls that acutally really enjoy the sex and others that are just trying to do their job well. I really prefer if the girl is able to enjoy the sex for herself too. If the girl does not enjoy the sex than it leaves me with a bitter aftertaste or feeling in my heart and it makes me feel heavy. I think many mongers might start to loose the ability to enjoy only one single simple girl with an open loving heart. And open pussy, because they get used to the heartless Xiao Jie treatment. That of course also includes me, and since I am aware of it I am regaining my heart by also spending more time with girls who like me. I think many Xiao Jies feel the same about their "ke ren" (customers). I had this one KTV girl, which I talked about before, who would not take any money from me. She was really hungry for real love and affection. She hugged me all night when sleeping with me, and when I fucked her she still tried her best to make me happy. But unfortunately she might have already worked for too long as a wk girl (2 Years). She is pretty but she can't really enjoy sex deeply anymore. Only superficially. So I also don't really enjoy sex with her that much.
I think once a wk girl, maybe always a wk girl. If a girl has crossed the line and has fucked many guys without any distinction, than she will be able to do it any time later on too. Unless she really has started to hate sex that much that she won't even want to sleep with her own real boyfriend or husband anymore.
So having a real relationship with a wk girl? If she is really beautiful. It is tempting! Is it advisable? . Probably not.
But we guys sometimes think with our dicks and follow where our eyes lead us when we should rather listen to our mind and heart.
If you fuck someone you love, someone who has not had sex with many guys, someone who is beautiful and someone who loves you than it can be the most beautiful sex-thing in the world. No Xiao Jie experience can top it in the long run.
Although I had many freebees I still have to meet the right one for me. But maybe my expectations are too high. Or maybe I just got used to those Xiao Jies.
Someone asked me about why I get a girls phone number so quickly? When I talk to a girl than I actually really do enjoy looking at her and at how beautiful she is. And I tell her.
And I usually really mean what I say. Girls can sense it, if you don't really honestly appreciate her. Luckily most Chinese girls like to hear honestly meant compliments from nice guys. Not if the guy is creepy. So try to dress ok, be friendly and accommodating.
If it turns out to be great for both of us than great for me and her. If not than "mei ban fa".
If I know a wk girl that likes me too than I prefer to call her up rather than go back to a bbs and let the mami hassle me to take one of her ugly girls. The mamis that hassle the most are often the ones who can't sell their girls without hassling a lot. To call a girl yourself is cheaper too. If you call a girl on her private cell phone than you just have to give her only 100 and don't need to give the mami an other 100. If I can go with one of you ISG guys to some BBS's than it is more fun and the mamis won't hassle us that much.
So if you are around in ChangPing (Donguan), Zhangmutou, Shenzhen, Hongkong or Shanghai than PM me. I am usually based in Shanghai but might move to Shenzhen sometime later.
I do know he did have an altercation with the one that involved the police.
-CPEYes, and why do you know that? Because I told you about it confidentially and in person. And I also said why I called the police.
For refreshing the memory of the police incident please check my posting http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=721972&postcount=3283
If a Xiao Jie tries to scew me, I follow my conscience and I am not afraid to call the police either. Of course I will try to avoid it if possible in a fair way.
But please don't necessarily do the same. Because I don't know how well of an impression you can leave with the Chinese authorities.
Follow your own gut feeling and your intution will tell you which situations you can handle in which way.
I know how to talk with police officials and how to explain myself to them.
All the situations with the police worked out easy and well for me.
I also never did anything wrong in my life, so I am also not afraid of any background checks.
I know a lot of Hongkong guys (and some foreigners too) are afraid to get into trouble in China and they rather pay more or be cheated than let the police help you and handle the situation. A lot of Xiao Jie and Chinese people in general know that too and use that to their advantage. Maybe it is because Hong Kongers are not protected by a foreign government and are afraid of the Chinese government. Many foreigners don't know China, the Chinese government and Chinese people so well, so they are also afraid of confrontation.
I do understand and respect that. So if I party with one of you Hongkong guys than I won't call the police when one of your Xiao Jie is giving you a problem, hehe. I promise.
Old Mean Dog
03-26-08, 08:20
Yes, and why do you know that? Because I told you about it confidentially and in person. And I also said why I called the police.
Actually, it was Santa who started the story about freebies here, you just became the topic of discussion ;)
-CPE
Old Mean Dog
03-26-08, 08:25
For those of you who think CP will remain a backwater little town, I ripped this out of a magazine. I see these ads in many publications now and just wait till next month when all the 4-5 Star Hotels in CP start advertising for the Canton Fair!
Enjoy CP, while you still can, because it ain't gonna last much longer.
-CPE
Dan Hawaii
03-26-08, 11:47
Hey - I'm a cheap date! Can and a half and I'm ready to party, 2 and I'm out blotto. Damn those guys who'se always collecting full share of the costs from me! Oh well - makes up for all the groping I do with all THEIR gals!!
SEAJ
Don't worry Joe, I'll drink your share of beers. What are friends for:) You can grope my girls if you want, because sharing is caring. Hope to see you guys soon!
Tigerman 2438
03-26-08, 12:45
YES YES YES - these guys from that other forum - and in a lot of cases, already speaking Putonghua albeit with their La-La twang - are really runing the market! They come in a tour group, suffering too long with their usual intake of dark and/or crap meat that they go NUTS! And dare I say it?? They're even worse than Laowais suffering from a steady diet of whale meat!
Guess I'm just gonna have to exact my revenge by paying their shores a visit and acting like a BSD/IMF to ruin THEIR market!
SE Asia JoeDear SE Asia Joe,
I am a Singaporean. You have to be careful with what say because your words and thoughts are reflection of your mentality and will determine whether you deserve respect from others or not.
Tigerman 2438
Bob Builder
03-26-08, 13:35
Now about 20 pages back the gals were never coming back. Now there are gals. Why still with all the end of the world nonsense?
I tend to believe that these are the same types of people that said that there were WMDs in Iraq.
Old Mean Dog
03-26-08, 15:08
Now about 20 pages back the gals were never coming back. Now there are gals. Why still with all the end of the world nonsense?
I tend to believe that these are the same types of people that said that there were WMDs in Iraq.
Difference is, the amount of girls here now, is not like it used to be. It's just the horndogs are excited to see some coming back after the holiday. Problem is, demand is outweighing supply now...
You believe what you want.
-CPE
Yes, I fucked ten of them but got to know more than 10 freebees that I did not follow up on. I also don't have so much interest anymore in getting to know more working girls or poor girls unless I think they are really special or really cute or sexy. (Of course if I am horny I still want sex.) And even than I look into their eyes, look at the way they walk or talk and if I think they had too much sex and can't enjoy it anymore than I am also not interested..
Tightway,
I have been reading your thread, at first i had some doubt but after reading your posting, you maybe real.
I had a classmate friend in college and he use to have relationships with three gals simultaneously. he was smooth and most of the girls knew it and wanted to be with him.
If you are able to talk with the girls and have them take your charm that is quite possible.
I myself have two freebies literally throwing themselves at me. one is married and the other one had been living with her boyfriend for the last ten plus years. When im in china, they are coming over and tiring me out. One of them even did the 'white tiger' thing for me knowng the i love smooth pus&y.
I have one sha tsui mommy that have indicated that she wants to further spend time with me but i think she is too clingy. it started as a P4P and then she started to not accepting money and started to bring me gifts, Now that gets my a bit worry so i kinda cool that shit off. I change the subject and tell her that i want to try her new girls out, she brings them over to my hotel just so that she can catch see me. I tell her that im only interested in having pus&y, just to put her off, but she still tells me that she wants me.
good luck tightway...just watch out when they tries to reel you in
Yes, I fucked ten of them but got to know more than 10 freebees that I did not follow up on.
you got to know 10 freebees that you did not fucked?
What did you mean by "not follow up on"?
I am trying to understand what your meaning of freebee is.
Bill
Fast Eddie 48
03-27-08, 03:58
you got to know 10 freebees that you did not fucked?
What did you mean by "not follow up on"?
I am trying to understand what your meaning of freebee is.
Billto Bill
Tightway handle is correct. He is tight very tight. He wants to fuck all this freebie and don't want to pay them ,so he play of this game and romance this poor working girl. I hope he don't get his ass kick by one of this girl father or brother one of this days.
I like to score freebie too but I don't have the time to romance them keep it simple just pay them and get rid of them.
Fast eddie 48
SE Asia Joe
03-27-08, 04:42
Dear SE Asia Joe,
I am a Singaporean. You have to be careful with what say because your words and thoughts are reflection of your mentality and will determine whether you deserve respect from others or not.
Tigerman 2438
Hey Tigerman:
I really don't give a flying fxxk as to who you are or where you are from. What I AM very concerned about is whenever a monger acts like a big Swinging dick and/or an Ignorant Mother F..ker and how their actions are going to affect other mongers - me specifically.
As far as Being Singpaorean is concerned, well, the thing that really bugs me is you Singaporean KIASU attitude to everything including mongering.
To those who don't know what Kiasu is - it is an attitude that Singaporeans are ever so proud of having - that they are able to take advantage of every situation and come out on top. Well, amongst Singpaorean, that may work out very well, but IMHO, to any other nationalities, it just shows how crude they are and that such behaviour arises from their generally low esteem of themselves on the world stage.
What am I talking about specifically in regards to CP and singaporeans? -
1. Your Singaporean diatribe on 'that other board' about how CP should be you guys'es own private backyard for mongering
2. You coming in large groups and acting like complete assholes with your loud and boastful voices AND Attitude.
3. Your overpaying and making loud statements that you are not only willing to overpay but also that you can do so easily. Talking loudly with each other that "these gal's are so poor - hell, I'll give 'em more as I really think they deserve better" And YES, I've personally heard such coming from the mouth of your proud countrymen - boasting to one another that they are so rich that they can easily afford to do so - whilst making sure others around you KNOW that you ARE a BSD. BSD?? You gotta be kidding!
OK - if you are PERSONALLY not one of those Kiasu BSD - then I offer you my apologies - but I certainly will not apologize to any BSD/IMF - whether they are singaporean or any other race/nationality/any other socio economic groups. to them I say Go take a flying.....
Respectfully
SE Asia Joe
Hey Tigerman:
I really don't give a flying fxxk as to who you are or where you are from. What I AM very concerned about is whenever a monger acts like a big Swinging dick and/or an Ignorant Mother F..ker and how their actions are going to affect other mongers - me specifically.
As far as Being Singpaorean is concerned, well, the thing that really bugs me is you Singaporean KIASU attitude to everything including mongering.
To those who don't know what Kiasu is - it is an attitude that Singaporeans are ever so proud of having - that they are able to take advantage of every situation and come out on top. Well, amongst Singpaorean, that may work out very well, but IMHO, to any other nationalities, it just shows how crude they are and that such behaviour arises from their generally low esteem of themselves on the world stage.
What am I talking about specifically in regards to CP and singaporeans? -
1. Your Singaporean diatribe on 'that other board' about how CP should be you guys'es own private backyard for mongering
2. You coming in large groups and acting like complete assholes with your loud and boastful voices AND Attitude.
3. Your overpaying and making loud statements that you are not only willing to overpay but also that you can do so easily. Talking loudly with each other that "these gal's are so poor - hell, I'll give 'em more as I really think they deserve better" And YES, I've personally heard such coming from the mouth of your proud countrymen - boasting to one another that they are so rich that they can easily afford to do so - whilst making sure others around you KNOW that you ARE a BSD. BSD?? You gotta be kidding!
OK - if you are PERSONALLY not one of those Kiasu BSD - then I offer you my apologies - but I certainly will not apologize to any BSD/IMF - whether they are singaporean or any other race/nationality/any other socio economic groups. to them I say Go take a flying.....
Respectfully
SE Asia Joe
Well said Asia Joe, tell it how it is!
On the "other forum" they brag about the Japanese being racists and praising them for not allowing foreigners to fuck their hookers. Are the Singaporeans just Japanese wannabees? Is their bragging, big spending, and dislike of Caucasians a consequence of their own low self-esteem?
I personnally couldn't give a shit if an Asian guy fucks Caucasian girls. Why are they uptight about a Caucasian guy fucking Asian girls. Why do they want to deprive poor Santa of some fun?
I don't want to generalize here. I'm sure there are some Singaporean and Japanese guys who would agree with what we say. Let's hope our friend Tigerman is one of them.
Hey guys,
I will be in CP around the timeframe of Golden week in China. I was wondering if any of you guys knew if Golden Week pertains to working girls as well or if it has any effect on the scene?
Also, would love to meet up with some of you guys to hit a KTV since I will be in town by myself. Any one up for showing a second-timer how it's done in CP? Drinks are on me, please inbox me if you are in town between Apr 28-Apr 30 and are free to hang out.
Rontbo
If you're going to accuse people of misleading the board, why don't you give some links and examples so members can defend their posts?
We're not talking about flaming people here but an open discussion on someone's opinion.
Bill
Now about 20 pages back the gals were never coming back. Now there are gals. Why still with all the end of the world nonsense?
I tend to believe that these are the same types of people that said that there were WMDs in Iraq.
Tightway,
I have been reading your thread, at first I had some doubt but after reading your posting, you maybe real.
I had a classmate friend in college and he use to have relationships with three gals simultaneously. He was smooth and most of the girls knew it and wanted to be with him.
If you are able to talk with the girls and have them take your charm that is quite possible.
I myself have two freebies literally throwing themselves at me. One is married and the other one had been living with her boyfriend for the last ten plus years. When I'm in China, they are coming over and tiring me out. One of them even did the 'white tiger' thing for me knowng the I love smooth pus&y.
I have one sha tsui mommy that have indicated that she wants to further spend time with me but I think she is too clingy. It started as a P4P and then she started to not accepting money and started to bring me gifts, Now that gets my a bit worry so I kinda cool that shit off. I change the subject and tell her that I want to try her new girls out, she brings them over to my hotel just so that she can catch see me. I tell her that I'm only interested in having pus&y, just to put her off, but she still tells me that she wants me.
Good luck tightway. Just watch out when they tries to reel you inIt is really easy to get girls in China. I also know this from other foreigners.
So I don't know why many people in this forum can't believe it. All I wanted to do is share my exerience and find other people who would share it with me too.
I also got many positive feedbacks through PMs. Thank you guys for your support. But I got the feeling that it is not advisable to talk about how to get freebies in a forum where guys come to talk about getting girls for money. There seems to be a lot of jealousy for nothing. I don't need to talk about what I am doing with girls and how I get them. And I never did before. Now I think it is the best when I just go back to my normal life and I will just enjoy it all by myself and I hope all you guys will enjoy passion in your life in your own way.
Bnlee2, thank you for your report on your experience.
In my case, if a girl gets to sticky than I just tell her that I don't have so much time and I don't call her anymore and don't answer her phone calls or messages. (That is the Chinese way of not confronting problems and trying to just walk around it.) Many of the more beautiful girls in China usually can accept a refusal because they already have many guys simultaneaously anyway. Many girls in China are fucking around and cheating most of the time on their bf anyway (at least in Shanghai). They have different emotionally charged values than most westerners, and mostly don't feel bad when they cheat.
I better not say how many girls I have, so not to arouse anymore jealousy in this forum of mongers. But I have enough experience in distancing myself from girls that I don't want to be with anymore. Thank you for your warning to be careful of too sticky girls in China. Most of them I don't take too seriously, because I think they have their own agenda in the back of their little cute heads anyway.
I don't really know in your case, but I guess that from what I know from more experienced women in China that maybe your sha tsui mommie is probably just trying to reel you in, but does not really suffer too much emotional distress when you reject her. Don't feel too bad when you reject her. She is just playing her game is trying to get you if she can. She probably is doing this with other "rich" guys too that she knows.
Like this one Chinese american guy I knew told me, he said: "You foreigners will never understand us Chinese. We always have an agenda. "
Well for me it is different: If I love a girl than I just want to be with her out of love and because I like her, not because I want to have a family with her, use her family connections for doing better business or anything else. A relationship is not a business transaction or possibility for me.
This guy was acutally telling me that Chinese people, including himself, don't just want to be with someone out of love, but that "The Chinese" (as he put it) usually have a plan in the back of their mind, like marriage, money, or other things they want during an interaction with an other person, and that not goal oriented emotions usually take a back seat.
Well, I don't know if that goes for most Chinese people. But most Chinese girls I knew definetly had some kind of agenda or goal in the back of their minds. Very few just want to have sex and feelings without any agenda. But if they don't have an agenda than those are often the ones that don't have to worry about money anyway. Many Chinese girls also confuse the love for money and a better life with a true feeling of love and they can't discern which is which, when they see a "rich" guy.
So if this mommie is coming on to you hard, than it is probably because she is following her agenda of getting a "rich" guy or somethinge else she wants, which might or might not have anything to do with true feelings. Especially if she is more experienced and older and not a young chick.
Talking about values in China: That girls are cheating on their boyfriends and husbands in China is quite normal. Married women even go out to find an other married guy, so she can cheat more safely with this guy on her husband. Virgin girls, who never had sex before, told me that when they get married than they will have a husband and at least one lover at the same time, whom they would meet regularly. A marriage or engagement ring is in a western, heavily christian influenced culture a turn off, if you want to pursue a girl or a man. But not necessarily so in China.
I find that in Mainland China it does not matter so much what most Chinese people say. Because what they might hold high in their mouth they don't hold high in their deeds. What they say is often the exact opposite of what they do. And they are often not even aware of it. That goes for many, many mainland Chinese men and women. All the talk about family values, loyality, etc is most of the time just a lot of talking, that mainland Chinese even believe themselves. The thing is that most poor uneducated Mainland Chinese (also the girls in CP) don't know how values and also family values are lived in other countries. So they assume that what the Chinese do and know is the best or at least average world standard.
I don't believe most of things that I hear about what Chinese people tell me about themselves. Because many don't have any other reference point from where they could judge themselves more objectively. I usually just watch what they do and ignore their own reports when they talk about themselves as being honest, trustworthy, loyal, family oriented, tradtional, etc.
Usually the opposite applies when you watch what many of them do.
Did you know that many Chinese parents (both parents simultaneously) in China abandon their children when they get married to a new man or women? They never contact them again, because the new spouse does not want them to keep in touch with their former spouses children.
I personally know 3 girls who are experiencing this now and who told me about it. I never heard about something like this before I came to China.
So what you hear people say in China about their own high held family and other values is not necessarliy what is really going on in the Chinese culture.
Talk about traditional values is wipped out when it is useful for a certain purpose. If it is not useful it is cast aside. This is also a strenght of Chinese culture, that makes Chinese people immensely flexible.
It reminds me of a (Chinese? ) saying: That it is good to bend like a bamboo in the wind. Even if the wind is strong the bamboo will survive.
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Tightway,
I have been reading your thread, at first I had some doubt but after reading your posting, you maybe real.
I had a classmate friend in college and he use to have relationships with three gals simultaneously. He was smooth and most of the girls knew it and wanted to be with him.
If you are able to talk with the girls and have them take your charm that is quite possible.
I myself have two freebies literally throwing themselves at me. One is married and the other one had been living with her boyfriend for the last ten plus years. When I'm in China, they are coming over and tiring me out. One of them even did the 'white tiger' thing for me knowng the I love smooth pus&y.
I have one sha tsui mommy that have indicated that she wants to further spend time with me but I think she is too clingy. It started as a P4P and then she started to not accepting money and started to bring me gifts, Now that gets my a bit worry so I kinda cool that shit off. I change the subject and tell her that I want to try her new girls out, she brings them over to my hotel just so that she can catch see me. I tell her that I'm only interested in having pus&y, just to put her off, but she still tells me that she wants me.
Good luck tightway. Just watch out when they tries to reel you in
Tightway,
I have been reading your thread, at first I had some doubt but after reading your posting, you maybe real.
I had a classmate friend in college and he use to have relationships with three gals simultaneously. He was smooth and most of the girls knew it and wanted to be with him.
If you are able to talk with the girls and have them take your charm that is quite possible.
I myself have two freebies literally throwing themselves at me. One is married and the other one had been living with her boyfriend for the last ten plus years. When I'm in China, they are coming over and tiring me out. One of them even did the 'white tiger' thing for me knowng the I love smooth pus&y.
I have one sha tsui mommy that have indicated that she wants to further spend time with me but I think she is too clingy. It started as a P4P and then she started to not accepting money and started to bring me gifts, Now that gets my a bit worry so I kinda cool that shit off. I change the subject and tell her that I want to try her new girls out, she brings them over to my hotel just so that she can catch see me. I tell her that I'm only interested in having pus&y, just to put her off, but she still tells me that she wants me.
Good luck tightway. Just watch out when they tries to reel you inIt is really easy to get girls in China. I also know this from other foreigners.
So I don't know why many people in this forum can't believe it. All I wanted to do is share my exerience and find other people who would share it with me too.
I also got many positive feedbacks through PMs. Thank you guys for your support. But I got the feeling that it is not advisable to talk about how to get freebies in a forum where guys come to talk about getting girls for money. There seems to be a lot of jealousy for nothing. I don't need to talk about what I am doing with girls and how I get them. And I never did before. Now I think it is the best when I just go back to my normal life and I will just enjoy it all by myself and I hope all you guys will enjoy passion in your life in your own way.
Bnlee2, thank you for your report on your experience.
In my case, if a girl gets to sticky than I just tell her that I don't have so much time and I don't call her anymore and don't answer her phone calls or messages. (That is the Chinese way of not confronting problems and trying to just walk around it.) Many of the more beautiful girls in China usually can accept a refusal because they already have many guys simultaneaously anyway. Many girls in China are fucking around and cheating most of the time on their bf anyway (at least in Shanghai). They have different emotionally charged values than most westerners, and mostly don't feel bad when they cheat.
I better not say how many girls I have, so not to arouse anymore jealousy in this forum of mongers. But I have enough experience in distancing myself from girls that I don't want to be with anymore. Thank you for your warning to be careful of too sticky girls in China. Most of them I don't take too seriously, because I think they have their own agenda in the back of their little cute heads anyway.
I don't really know in your case, but I guess that from what I know from more experienced women in China that maybe your sha tsui mommie is probably just trying to reel you in, but does not really suffer too much emotional distress when you reject her. Don't feel too bad when you reject her. She is just playing her game is trying to get you if she can. She probably is doing this with other "rich" guys too that she knows.
Like this one Chinese american guy I knew told me, he said: "You foreigners will never understand us Chinese. We always have an agenda. "
Well for me it is different: If I love a girl than I just want to be with her out of love and because I like her, not because I want to have a family with her, use her family connections for doing better business or anything else. A relationship is not a business transaction or possibility for me.
This guy was acutally telling me that Chinese people, including himself, don't just want to be with someone out of love, but that "The Chinese" (as he put it) usually have a plan in the back of their mind, like marriage, money, or other things they want during an interaction with an other person, and that not goal oriented emotions usually take a back seat.
Well, I don't know if that goes for most Chinese people. But most Chinese girls I knew definetly had some kind of agenda or goal in the back of their minds. Very few just want to have sex and feelings without any agenda. But if they don't have an agenda than those are often the ones that don't have to worry about money anyway. Many Chinese girls also confuse the love for money and a better life with a true feeling of love and they can't discern which is which, when they see a "rich" guy.
So if this mommie is coming on to you hard, than it is probably because she is following her agenda of getting a "rich" guy or somethinge else she wants, which might or might not have anything to do with true feelings. Especially if she is more experienced and older and not a young chick.
Talking about values in China: That girls are cheating on their boyfriends and husbands in China is quite normal. Married women even go out to find an other married guy, so she can cheat more safely with this guy on her husband. Virgin girls, who never had sex before, told me that when they get married than they will have a husband and at least one lover at the same time, whom they would meet regularly. A marriage or engagement ring is in a western, heavily christian influenced culture a turn off, if you want to pursue a girl or a man. But not necessarily so in China.
I find that in Mainland China it does not matter so much what most Chinese people say. Because what they might hold high in their mouth they don't hold high in their deeds. What they say is often the exact opposite of what they do. And they are often not even aware of it. That goes for many, many mainland Chinese men and women. All the talk about family values, loyality, etc is most of the time just a lot of talking, that mainland Chinese even believe themselves. The thing is that most poor uneducated Mainland Chinese (also the girls in CP) don't know how values and also family values are lived in other countries. So they assume that what the Chinese do and know is the best or at least average world standard.
I don't believe most of things that I hear about what Chinese people tell me about themselves. Because many don't have any other reference point from where they could judge themselves more objectively. I usually just watch what they do and ignore their own reports when they talk about themselves as being honest, trustworthy, loyal, family oriented, tradtional, etc.
Usually the opposite applies when you watch what many of them do.
Did you know that many Chinese parents (both parents simultaneously) in China abandon their children when they get married to a new man or women? They never contact them again, because the new spouse does not want them to keep in touch with their former spouses children.
I personally know 3 girls who are experiencing this now and who told me about it. I never heard about something like this before I came to China.
So what you hear people say in China about their own high held family and other values is not necessarliy what is really going on in the Chinese culture.
Talk about traditional values is wipped out when it is useful for a certain purpose. If it is not useful it is cast aside. This is also a strenght of Chinese culture, that makes Chinese people immensely flexible.
It reminds me of a (Chinese? ) saying: That it is good to bend like a bamboo in the wind. Even if the wind is strong the bamboo will survive.
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to Bill
Tightway handle is correct. He is tight very tight. He wants to fuck all this freebie and don't want to pay them ,so he play of this game and romance this poor working girl. I hope he don't get his ass kick by one of this girl father or brother one of this days.
I like to score freebie too but I don't have the time to romance them keep it simple just pay them and get rid of them.
Fast eddie 48If I would be cheating girls than I would certainly not be talking about it openly on the internet.
I am not cheating any girl.
If I agree with the girl to pay her than I pay her.
If we agree that she does not want any money from me, than I dont pay her.
Dont you have any freebies? This is what is called a normal sex life! To have girls that you dont pay for sex.
I have freebies in different cities, like all guys that travel. And almost all them, exept one, are not professional s... workers.
Dont come to this forum and insult people who open up to others and share their own experience.
By the way: Just to avoid any confusion for you in the future: Tightway means that I like a girl with a tight and not a loose and big "way in". I guess that you prefer it that way too.
Unless you enjoy to f... your grandmother of course ...
Which we all hope not to have to imagine.
you got to know 10 freebees that you did not fucked?
What did you mean by "not follow up on"?
I am trying to understand what your meaning of freebee is.
BillWhat I mean is that if I get to know a girl I like than I get her phone number.
If I like her, or if I am not busy, than I will give her a message or a call. So that means I will follow up on her.
If I dont have the time or I change my mind about meeting her than I am not following up on her, meaning I am not sending her a message, not calling her or I am not answering her messages or calls.
My friend and are going to Dongguan staying at the Crown Prince Hotel near CP(10-15min by taxi)
We would love to meet up with other from INSG if any of you are staying there or in CP. We will be there on the 25th April for 3 nights and we are up for a good time.
We picked the Crown Prince for the sauna so we hope to try the KTV etc and also have a look at the market in CP.
Daft boy
you are saying that there are freebees you met that you did not fucked?
and you may or may want to contact them later on?
i don't think anyone is jealous of you. i think most people here are curious as to what your definition of freebee is.
is not impossible to have freebees anywhere. but to have so many, in such short time, at such a place (cp), peeks everybody interest on the details.
thanks for taking the time in answering back. we all learn from each other.
bill
what i mean is that if i get to know a girl i like than i get her phone number.
if i like her, or if i am not busy, than i will give her a message or a call. so that means i will follow up on her.
if i dont have the time or i change my mind about meeting her than i am not following up on her, meaning i am not sending her a message, not calling her or i am not answering her messages or calls.
What I mean is that if I get to know a girl I like than I get her phone number.
If I like her, or if I am not busy, than I will give her a message or a call. So that means I will follow up on her.
If I dont have the time or I change my mind about meeting her than I am not following up on her, meaning I am not sending her a message, not calling her or I am not answering her messages or calls.Freebie usually means she's too shy to ask and you're too cheap to offer.
Well for me it is different: If I love a girl than I just want to be with her out of love and because I like her, not because I want to have a family with her, use her family connections for doing better business or anything else. A relationship is not a business transaction or possibility for me.What's your idea of love? Different freebies in every city who your cheated by misrepresenting your intentions? Chinese girls often have simple emotions and they'll easily fall for any chump. They'll often tell me that they want to marry an ugly guy because they tend to be the most loyal. You're taking advantage of that vulnerability.
There's nothing wrong with what you're doing. Just don't post here and tell it any other way.
Old Mean Dog
03-29-08, 06:07
What's your idea of love? Different freebies in every city who your cheated by misrepresenting your intentions? Chinese girls often have simple emotions and they'll easily fall for any chump. They'll often tell me that they want to marry an ugly guy because they tend to be the most loyal. You're taking advantage of that vulnerability.
There's nothing wrong with what you're doing. Just don't post here and tell it any other way.
If he is truly a sex monger, as per the definition:
http://www.definition-of.com/sex+monger">sex monger
why should he, or any of us, who call ourselves monger's, give a damn about how we get the girl or her feelings?
OldAsiaHand
03-29-08, 07:56
I will admit that I am jealous of a guy that can nail 10 freebies in such a short period of time, especially in CP, the P4P capital of South China. That said, I also have my doubts whether it is really true. Not knowing Tightway, I will give him the benefit of the doubt.
There are many young Chinese girls that can be easy conned into giving it up to a young, single, handsome, seemingly well off, stud with a foreign passport and the hope of a long term relationship. Unfortuately, I do not fall into that category, nor do I want to lead them on. They are certainly not doing it just for the sex e.g. the "agenda". The ones that just want to get laid are few and far between. My experience with freebies has incurred investment of time and money e.g. dinners, hotels, small gifts, etc., before I scored. I think this is the norm.
On the other hand, there are many WG that are not so direct about the commercial nature of the transaction. Just because they say they do not want any money, they still expect payment. This is what happened to Tightway in the police incident. Others may say, "up to you" which means you are expected to know what is going on. If you try to offer less than the normal rate, they will let you know about it.
Both of the above scenarios can get nasty and even dangerous as has been posted. When you take something with nothing in return, there is a risk of repercussions, financially, emotionally and physically.
Just my POV.
OAH
I will admit that I am jealous of a guy that can nail 10 freebies in such a short period of time, especially in CP, the P4P capital of South China. That said, I also have my doubts whether it is really true. Not knowing Tightway, I will give him the benefit of the doubt.
There are many young Chinese girls that can be easy conned into giving it up to a young, single, handsome, seemingly well off, stud with a foreign passport and the hope of a long term relationship. Unfortuately, I do not fall into that category, nor do I want to lead them on. They are certainly not doing it just for the sex e.g. the "agenda". The ones that just want to get laid are few and far between. My experience with freebies has incurred investment of time and money e.g. dinners, hotels, small gifts, etc., before I scored. I think this is the norm.
On the other hand, there are many WG that are not so direct about the commercial nature of the transaction. Just because they say they do not want any money, they still expect payment. This is what happened to Tightway in the police incident. Others may say, "up to you" which means you are expected to know what is going on. If you try to offer less than the normal rate, they will let you know about it.
Both of the above scenarios can get nasty and even dangerous as has been posted. When you take something with nothing in return, there is a risk of repercussions, financially, emotionally and physically.
Just my POV.
OAH
Another great post from OAH. Pithy and succinct!
OldAsiaHand
03-29-08, 08:39
I was on a flight to Singapore last year and overheard some guys in the row in front of me talking about the mongering expedition they were just on in China.
To hear them talk about the KTV girls they had met was pitiful. They felt sorry about the position the girls were in and wanted to help the girls get out of it to be their girlfriend. They were talking about sending money, coming back as soon as they could, trying to get them down to Singapore, etc.
My sense was that these guys were extremely naive and very gullible to the stories the WGs had laid on them. IMHO, the KTV girls were playing into this to the limit and milking them for serious cash.
Obviously, all Singaporeans are not like these guys, but if there are more where they came from, it supports the BSD theory.
Just my POV.
OAH
why should he, or any of us, who call ourselves monger's, give a damn about how we get the girl or her feelings?I'm merely pointing out the technicalities; the contradictory hypocrisy in the post itself.
What's your idea of love? Different freebies in every city who your cheated by misrepresenting your intentions? Chinese girls often have simple emotions and they'll easily fall for any chump. They'll often tell me that they want to marry an ugly guy because they tend to be the most loyal. You're taking advantage of that vulnerability.
There's nothing wrong with what you're doing. Just don't post here and tell it any other way. Thats where you are gullable and believe everything a Chinese girl tells you.
They don't have the same set of values as westernized guys/girls do. They say one thing and do an other. I have countless real life examples of this.
Girls have told me the same thing before. " I just want to marry an ugly guy, because than he won't have any chance to cheat on me. " (Well, ugly rich guys have tons of girlfriends all around us in China. Why? Because many girls just care about the money they can get.)
Anyway, what does she want you to think about her by telling you this? And what is she actually doing in her real life? Do her words and deed match?
I know for sure that many of those same beautiful girls who say they prefer ugly guys, are often literally fucking (it is not a joke) 3 to 7 "new" guys a week who they get to know over the internet or through other ways.
Almost every night or day they spent in someone elses bed and than they complain about that all the handsome guys are having so many girls.
Do you know why they know that handsome and beautiful girls have so many girls or guys?
Because they are the sexy girls that are fucking around all the time with many handsome guys. So they got the experience. That is where their dissapointment is coming from. But they also don't want to stop fucking around like this.
It is not my guess. Lots, and I mean LOTS of girls told me themselves, what they are actually doing and what they are wishing for.
An other point you mentioned: "Different freebies in every city who your cheated by misrepresenting your intentions? "
I don't cheat on a girl. I don't tell her that I want her to be my gf. With most girls I sleep on the first day I meet them. I don't go out to dinner with them or anything. Just meet at my place and lets fuck.
So now tell me. How could I possibly give her the impression in that situation that I actually want to marry her?
She might be thinking about marriage or something else she can get out of it later on, but it is never my money they want (exept maybe in CP and in the Guandong Area, where the girls are different than I know them in the rest of China).
If she has an agenda than I don't know it and I don't make it my own agenda. I don't have an agenda other than that I like her and I want to share my precious time with her. In my country girls go with guys because they like them and want to have a good time with them. And I enjoy to be with a girl who feels the same in China. If she feels otherwise than I am just not interested anymore in meeting her! I like girls with no agenda. And I tell the girls exactly that. Even before the sex. And that you can believe me my friend is the truth. If they are not working girls than they know exactly what I think before we have the real thing. So please don't tell me I am leading girls on. You don't know me and I am not leading them on.
They know I want to have a good time with her and to get to know her better. If I really like her and I found my soulemate than I will be the happiest guy in the world and will hopefully live happily ever after, and that would include a non promiscueous lifestyle.
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I don't want to escalate into a shouting match. I respect your opinion and your personal experiences.
My sentiments and experience differs of yours. In general, I found Chinese girls who have regular lives (normal jobs, etc) tend to be more honest than many westernized girls.
There's more than half a billion of girls in China, and the tiny fraction who speaks English and open to meet with foreign guys probably do so with some other agenda and thus its unfair to you to generalize the whole population. It's like saying you went to a gay bar and all you met are gays, therefore everyone must be gay.
Outside looking in, there's probably lot more about the Chinese culture that you don't understand and fully appreciate.
Thats where you are gullable and believe everything a Chinese girl tells you.
They don't have the same set of values as westernized guys/girls do. They say one thing and do an other. I have countless real life examples of this.
Girls have told me the same thing before. " I just want to marry an ugly guy, because than he won't have any chance to cheat on me. " (Well, ugly rich guys have tons of girlfriends all around us in China. Why? Because many girls just care about the money they can get.)
Anyway, what does she want you to think about her by telling you this? And what is she actually doing in her real life? Do her words and deed match?
I know for sure that many of those same beautiful girls who say they prefer ugly guys, are often literally fucking (it is not a joke) 3 to 7 "new" guys a week who they get to know over the internet or through other ways.
Almost every night or day they spent in someone elses bed and than they complain about that all the handsome guys are having so many girls.
Do you know why they know that handsome and beautiful girls have so many girls or guys?
Because they are the sexy girls that are fucking around all the time with many handsome guys. So they got the experience. That is where their dissapointment is coming from. But they also don't want to stop fucking around like this.
It is not my guess. Lots, and I mean LOTS of girls told me themselves, what they are actually doing and what they are wishing for.
An other point you mentioned: "Different freebies in every city who your cheated by misrepresenting your intentions? "
I don't cheat on a girl. I don't tell her that I want her to be my gf. With most girls I sleep on the first day I meet them. I don't go out to dinner with them or anything. Just meet at my place and lets fuck.
So now tell me. How could I possibly give her the impression in that situation that I actually want to marry her?
She might be thinking about marriage or something else she can get out of it later on, but it is never my money they want (exept maybe in CP and in the Guandong Area, where the girls are different than I know them in the rest of China).
If she has an agenda than I don't know it and I don't make it my own agenda. I don't have an agenda other than that I like her and I want to share my precious time with her. In my country girls go with guys because they like them and want to have a good time with them. And I enjoy to be with a girl who feels the same in China. If she feels otherwise than I am just not interested anymore in meeting her! I like girls with no agenda. And I tell the girls exactly that. Even before the sex. And that you can believe me my friend is the truth. If they are not working girls than they know exactly what I think before we have the real thing. So please don't tell me I am leading girls on. You don't know me and I am not leading them on.
They know I want to have a good time with her and to get to know her better. If I really like her and I found my soulemate than I will be the happiest guy in the world and will hopefully live happily ever after, and that would include a non promiscueous lifestyle.
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Pointpanic
03-29-08, 21:05
Why would any of us short time mongers want to look for freebies. If I am in CP for a week I am on a hunt and I am not window shopping. Maybe if someone gets to CP regularly or stays a long time that person would have the time to look for freebies. I can look for freebies at home. CP is the jungle.
I bore easily, so let me change the topic...
Went to Yalan on Friday evening around 8 PM, but thanks to the early weekend rush, no great talent around in the 3 shops (I counted Jojo/Sandy as 2) I visited. Besides boring easily, I'm incredibly lazy, so I head back to my hotel and check the scene behind HuiMei, and find a pretty good sized rack in CoCo's shop.
So it was a great work-out for the standard 150 in this area. She had a great attitude but she just wouldn't allow video. I have a snazzy new HD camera I wanted to break in, but she wouldn't play along (only using nice and charming strategy at this point). Anyway, I almost got her to cave. So, I picked her again on Saturday (like I said, I'm pretty lazy). This is the first time I ever repeated a BBS girl, but it was with the intention of finally convincing her to do some video work. Still no. I offered her 50, then 100, then 200, then 300 tip; but still no video!!! I guess good for her own life standards, bad for me. She is no conservative wall flower mind you, this was wild monkey sex, so it's not that she is shy. Paid her 150 for the very good quality exercise. No taxi tip even because we walked over.
Overall, surprised that money didn't sway her even if the amazing charm offense failed. It is all hit and miss, the girl sitting next to her might have agreed for all I know.
Bob Sacamano
03-30-08, 03:17
I bore easily, so let me change the topic...
Went to Yalan on Friday evening around 8 PM, but thanks to the early weekend rush, no great talent around in the 3 shops (I counted Jojo/Sandy as 2) I visited. Besides boring easily, I'm incredibly lazy, so I head back to my hotel and check the scene behind HuiMei, and find a pretty good sized rack in CoCo's shop.
So it was a great work-out for the standard 150 in this area. She had a great attitude but she just wouldn't allow video. I have a snazzy new HD camera I wanted to break in, but she wouldn't play along (only using nice and charming strategy at this point). Anyway, I almost got her to cave. So, I picked her again on Saturday (like I said, I'm pretty lazy). This is the first time I ever repeated a BBS girl, but it was with the intention of finally convincing her to do some video work. Still no. I offered her 50, then 100, then 200, then 300 tip; but still no video!!! I guess good for her own life standards, bad for me. She is no conservative wall flower mind you, this was wild monkey sex, so it's not that she is shy. Paid her 150 for the very good quality exercise. No taxi tip even because we walked over.
Overall, surprised that money didn't sway her even if the amazing charm offense failed. It is all hit and miss, the girl sitting next to her might have agreed for all I know.Hi Manfest.
Her refusal is probably a fallout from the Cecilia Cheung - Edison Chen - et al scandal. Somebody mentioned that on one of the forums recently (sorry, can’t remember which forum). BTW, Cecilia’s very hairy p*ssy is sexy. Anyway, your girl’s standards were very admirable, not giving in to the sweet talk of red Maos and your considerable charm. :) But as you said, this is China, where everything is negotiable, and another girl would have caved.
Good luck with your new toy.
My 2c. I would rather go to P4P. At least I am pretty sure what I am going to get, albeit the sex is mechanical sometime (not an issue in CP). Freebies are not necessary cheaper than P4P when counting the investment as mentioned by OAH. I had a girl who harassed me for months, which forced me to change my cellphone. Lesson learned. I will hunt for freebies but only as a by-product of clubing. I will make it clear it is either an ONS or, like OAH pointed out, commercial in nature.
I will admit that I am jealous of a guy that can nail 10 freebies in such a short period of time, especially in CP, the P4P capital of South China. That said, I also have my doubts whether it is really true. Not knowing Tightway, I will give him the benefit of the doubt.
There are many young Chinese girls that can be easy conned into giving it up to a young, single, handsome, seemingly well off, stud with a foreign passport and the hope of a long term relationship. Unfortuately, I do not fall into that category, nor do I want to lead them on. They are certainly not doing it just for the sex e.g. the "agenda". The ones that just want to get laid are few and far between. My experience with freebies has incurred investment of time and money e.g. dinners, hotels, small gifts, etc., before I scored. I think this is the norm.
On the other hand, there are many WG that are not so direct about the commercial nature of the transaction. Just because they say they do not want any money, they still expect payment. This is what happened to Tightway in the police incident. Others may say, "up to you" which means you are expected to know what is going on. If you try to offer less than the normal rate, they will let you know about it.
Both of the above scenarios can get nasty and even dangerous as has been posted. When you take something with nothing in return, there is a risk of repercussions, financially, emotionally and physically.
Just my POV.
OAH
I don't want to escalate into a shouting match. I respect your opinion and your personal experiences.
My sentiments and experience differs of yours. In general, I found Chinese girls who have regular lives (normal jobs, etc) tend to be more honest than many westernized girls.
There's more than half a billion of girls in China, and the tiny fraction who speaks English and open to meet with foreign guys probably do so with some other agenda and thus its unfair to you to generalize the whole population. It's like saying you went to a gay bar and all you met are gays, therefore everyone must be gay.
Outside looking in, there's probably lot more about the Chinese culture that you don't understand and fully appreciate.Of course not EVERYONE is like this. But the very beautiful ones who get hit on all the time are very often promiscious. And these are not only the ones that can speak english. Many of them dont speak english, so i have to speak chinese with them. I certainly dont know ALL the girls in china. But on the other hand, this is not only what I think and feel about chinese girls who had many BFs before and who have the opportunity to get to know more constantly (because they are beautiful), but this is also what lots of chinese guys that I know think too. Or why do you think do most chinese guys want to marry a virigin? And most chinese guys also dont want their wifes to work, because they feel than their women does not get the opportunity to get to know other guys so easy and cheat easier. They told me, and it is my experience too, that (in most cases) once a gorgeous chinese girl had more than a couple of bf, she gets a taste for it and very often can not stay loyal to one guy anymore. Of course most chinese girls do everything to make everyone think they are loyal and honest girls. But when you actually build up a trusting and open, honest relationship with them (or their best girl friend), than all of a sudden other truths come to the surface than what was true in the beginning. You think it is a generalization. And I hope it is not true. But it is just my experience. (And other chinese and western guys experiences too.)
Ugly girls dont get hit on very often so they dont have so much opportunity to cheat. But the hotties get hit on constantly (at least so in shanghai and these are not only the hot "shanghai girls" in shanghai that enjoy their men, but also the hot "waidi"s, the ones from outside of shanghai, who live and work there).
If a girl is a virgin or only had one bf before, than my experience is that she is usually loyal and only wants to stay with one man. But there are even already differences in attitude and emotional attachement to her bf between virgin girls, who never had a bf before, and girls who just had one bf before. Now I understand why most chinese men want to marry virgins. Because a virgin girl is usually more emotionally attached to her first man than the one who already had one man before.
I personally am not looking for virgins. But my experience is that the above is in most cases true.
You guys probably dont believe me, but the last 2 month a virgin keeps calling and sending me messages, wanting me to be her first sex man, with no strings attached.
Most of the time I am not answering her calls or messages anymore, because I am not so eager to pop a girl, who I never met, just because she is virgin.
I am a western guy and I dont care about things like that. (But maybe I should, at least in china.)
Before living in China for many years I did not understand the obsession of chinese men with wanting to marry a virgin girl.
But now at least I think I get a grasp of why most of the chinese men and their families feel so deeply that this is really important.
I think every culture has its own set of values and tradtional wisdom for a good reason. And those values might just apply for that culture in that time period and change later on as the country and the people develop too.
Chinese friends who lived in western countries have told me that they think that western women are different than chinese. Western women often can stay loyal to a man, even if she already had many bf before. But they think that chinese women are different.
3 Chinese virigins have told me, that once they get married they will have their husband and their lover at the same time. I have never had anyone from an other country say that to me before. Apperently they think a good husband and a good lover is not the same. (And this may be true...and it is very honest...). If some chinese virgin girls already have thoughts and plans like this, what about the girls that have already tasted the sweet fruit of passion and lust over and over again with different guys?
As I said: I hope not all girls are like this in china. But it looks like that an awefully lot of girls are.
Radical change of values, and the feeling of not knowing what is right and wrong, happens apperently often when a culture is in a period of extreme change, like China is at the moment.
If anyone is more deeply interested in that subject than I can recommend the book by the old Smartypants Dr. Sigmund Freud, "Totem And Taboo".
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Why would any of us short time mongers want to look for freebies. If I am in CP for a week I am on a hunt and I am not window shopping. Maybe if someone gets to CP regularly or stays a long time that person would have the time to look for freebies. I can look for freebies at home. CP is the jungle.I am not actually LOOKING for freebies.
If I think a girl is hot than I talk to her and than she turns out to be a freebie.
I bore easily, so let me change the topic...
Went to Yalan on Friday evening around 8 PM, but thanks to the early weekend rush, no great talent around in the 3 shops (I counted Jojo/Sandy as 2) I visited. Yeah, I went there earlier at around 3h and there were also no really great girls around.
Maybe a lot of the more beautiful girls dissapear in the KTVs on Friday and Saturday and a lot of the ugly ones who dont have much of a chance to get picked stay in the BBS.
I will admit that I am jealous of a guy that can nail 10 freebies in such a short period of time, especially in CP, the P4P capital of South China. That said, I also have my doubts whether it is really true. Not knowing Tightway, I will give him the benefit of the doubt.
There are many young Chinese girls that can be easy conned into giving it up to a young, single, handsome, seemingly well off, stud with a foreign passport and the hope of a long term relationship. Unfortuately, I do not fall into that category, nor do I want to lead them on. They are certainly not doing it just for the sex e.g. the "agenda". The ones that just want to get laid are few and far between. My experience with freebies has incurred investment of time and money e.g. dinners, hotels, small gifts, etc., before I scored. I think this is the norm.
On the other hand, there are many WG that are not so direct about the commercial nature of the transaction. Just because they say they do not want any money, they still expect payment. This is what happened to Tightway in the police incident. Others may say, "up to you" which means you are expected to know what is going on. If you try to offer less than the normal rate, they will let you know about it.
Both of the above scenarios can get nasty and even dangerous as has been posted. When you take something with nothing in return, there is a risk of repercussions, financially, emotionally and physically.
Just my POV.
OAHI used to invite girls to dinner, etc. and found that often it is a waste of time.
Many girl like to date many guys and just be invited to a nice dinner, etc.
Since I am skipping the romantic part and come right to the point, i am much more successful in getting what I am looking for. That way I sort out the girls who go for fun because they want fun, and the girls who have more than fun as an agenda, because they want to check out the guy first to see if he is marriage or money milking material.
I have never had any bad experiences with any girls, except the one I mentioned, because she thought she could trick me into milking me.
Why do you think you have to give a girl money if she is not a prosti?
Dont you think it is enough that you also give enjoyment and happiness to the girl as an exchange for her company?
I dont know why you think you have to pay a freebie to be with you.
All my (non ISG) buddies think it is normal to be with a girl and not pay her anything.
We men are worth something too, and we are good company too. Why should we have to pay a freebie girl more than the dinner or the taxi ride?
If she is my gf than it is different. Than buying her gifts and giving her money when she is in trouble or caring about other things are OK.
But than I know that she actually really cares about me and that I can trust her.
If an apperent "freebie" girl thinks she can pretend being a freebie, just to milk me, than she is at the wrong adress.
Maybe than I should send her to you?
Hehe....Just a joke! ;-)
Maybe some of you guys got so used to paying a girl money for her company that you might already have forgotten what a real freebie actually is.
She is more or less free!
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Hi Manfest.
Her refusal is probably a fallout from the Cecilia Cheung - Edison Chen - et al scandal. Somebody mentioned that on one of the forums recently (sorry, can’t remember which forum). BTW, Cecilia’s very hairy p*ssy is sexy. Anyway, your girl’s standards were very admirable, not giving in to the sweet talk of red Maos and your considerable charm. :) But as you said, this is China, where everything is negotiable, and another girl would have caved.
Good luck with your new toy.
Hi Bob, I suspect you are right. Hope you are thawing from the frozen weather in the north! Thinking about it a little more and secondarily to OAH's comments. Her selective prudeness prohibited her from being filmed. And yet, I suspect desparate enough to to do what she does to make a buck. For this reason, I thought it was a fair trade to offer a reasonable sum. I felt nicely towards her and almost wanted to tip to commend her on the strange moral fortitude. Almost.
This is my mixed feeling. I went to the Northern dumpling place on the corner, and they have pictures on the menu of which type of dumpling. Unfortunately, you then have to pick the meat, which is written out in Mandarin. I randomly ordered the wrong one and it was not to my liking, so I just picked another one, third time was the charm. Many people don't even register this 30-40 RMB mistake and move on. So why not give 30-40 RMB tip... well obvious that my menu mistake doesn't harm anyone (maybe only the cow?), tipping and using money to show caring/express feelings spoils the market for my future entertainment and others. In the end, no need to discuss whether it is cheaper with a freebie or xiajie. However you cut it, they are all just targets and shouldn't get involved emotionally. Again, as everyone knows, it's all about ME, and you shouldn't mess it up for me. (Please don't miss the facetious tone and overlook the humor). Cheers, had a great weekend. Hope to use my camera soon and then blow it up onto a huge ass HD screen.
Visited the sauna at the Kande Hotel in Houjie today. The sauna is on the 3rd floor. We were offerred two types of rooms. One is what they call luxury room on the fourth floor and the other is regular room on the 3rd floor. The luxury room is like a standard guest room with a shower, etc. The standard room is ok size without a shower. We were told that the sevice is the same. So we opted for the regular room for 138 vs. 268 for the luxury room. The room, the shower area and the lobby are all well equiped and maintained.
We were presented with a line up of four girls first. My friend picked a girl with body 9, face 8.5. I requested another line up and chose a girl with body 8, face 9. What she really got me was her sweet smile and beautiful eyes. She was professional in finishing the routine but not machenical. I will give her sex skill a 9 too. The only downside is that she had petite breasts, which probably is not attractive to many members here.
The sauna also offers a session of message for 50. I tried that and it was great. Very relaxing. I had a back problem resulted from playing soccer recently. The message helps, at least for now.
Overall damage, 138+400(tips)+50. Better value than what I can find here in SZ.
Pleasure Dude
04-01-08, 21:18
Hey guys,
I will be in CP from 4/20 to 4/23. If anyone is interested in going to a KTV at night or visit the local shops, please shoot me a PM. I am planning to visit the Prince KTV and maybe their sauna.
cheers,
PD
I was on a flight to Singapore last year and overheard some guys in the row in front of me talking about the mongering expedition they were just on in China.
To hear them talk about the KTV girls they had met was pitiful. They felt sorry about the position the girls were in and wanted to help the girls get out of it to be their girlfriend. They were talking about sending money, coming back as soon as they could, trying to get them down to Singapore, etc.
My sense was that these guys were extremely naive and very gullible to the stories the WGs had laid on them. IMHO, the KTV girls were playing into this to the limit and milking them for serious cash.
Obviously, all Singaporeans are not like these guys, but if there are more where they came from, it supports the BSD theory.
Just my POV.
OAH
I felt the same way too. When I first visited China, I felt sorry for these girls. Then my friend told me and I found out how much average workers make in China. What KTV girls makes in 2-3 days is what most workers make in a month. BBS girls would have to work more days since they usually get less. Then counting the hours, KTV girls work only about 5-9 hours and it’s mostly BS with guys. A factory worker's life is like slavery for 10-15 hours and, 6-15 days straight. This is one major reason I try not to over tip a girl unless I know her for a while.
If you look at it a different way, they make as much as lawyers or doctors. Their standard of living is different. Then you want to help them to make more money because you feel sorry for them.
I seldom post any writeups on the forum but having been to the Changping scene for the past 2 years now I really feel I need to let other members on this site know my past 2 experience with the Penn KTV.
First time to the KTV was on March 29 and the experience was awful. The girls are unregulated, most or all have attitudes, they come in and out of the room as they please without asking for permission. Some even disappear for over 30 minutes before returning to the room. The final straw was when one just decide to bring in her friend into the room without asking and having her sit and drink our alcohol.
As a native Chinese speaker of mandarin and cantonese I address this issue with her immediately. The KTV girl had the nerve to talk back and even scream at me. Haha. What a complete joke. The next step in this case was to call the mommie and have her lecture the girl. The mommie only apologize for the behavior but did not reprimand her at all. That left a dry taste in my mouth. Not to make this worse I asked the mommie whom I booked the room with to handle it.
The next experience was on April 1. Only 2 days after the incident since some fellow ISG members wanted to check the scene. Again, the girls had problems, all wanting to leave early or just simply got pissed drunk and asking for the sitting fee up front so they can leave. The norm is they are not allow to leave until the customer are ready to let them leave. There is no regulation here and they simply do as they wish. This incident eventually got out of hand. One of my KTV girl started talking loud again and I advise her to mind her own business and drink. She refused and started talking back to me, of course I simply will not tolerate this type of behavior and demanded her to down a bottle of beer. She refused and threw a rolled up tissue paper at me and cursing me in Chinese. I then told her to leave the room and her cursing continued. Things got of of hand where she became confrontational and started being physical. Again the mommie was called, this time they all know I am really pissed since this type of behavior happened twice in a row. The PR manager who is in charge of hiring and firing all girls was called in. Situation was explained to him and he immediately took action. The KTV girl was called, told to report to the office right away and was fined heavily and fired.
Folks. I am certain this type of behavior by KTV girls happens to a good number of us, but for 2 incidents to happen back to back at the same KTV is just ridiculous.
Simply put stay away from Penn KTV. Unless you want to end up in these type of situations.
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SE Asia Joe
04-02-08, 08:43
I seldom post any writeups on the forum but having been to the Changping scene for the past 2 years now I really feel I need to let other members on this site know my past 2 experience with the Penn KTV.
Folks. I am certain this type of behavior by KTV girls happens to a good number of us, but for 2 incidents to happen back to back at the same KTV is just ridiculous.
Simply put stay away from Penn KTV. Unless you want to end up in these type of situations.
IMHO - KTV gals/mommies do take advantage of us Hong Kong guys/overseas chinese as well as the Laowais.... but wouldn't dare to 'act' up when with the locals.
Local punters would really bust their asses and do NOT tolerate any bullshit; Us furreners.... well, they interpret our more gentlemanly behaviour as "acceptance" and many times just plain ole take advantage of us as we do tolerate much more nonsense than the PRC punters.
I've been with local Chinese guys when they actually beat up gals for the tiniest infraction i.e. not drinking up the WHOLE glass when told to or protesting when the guy gets too gropy. One time I even saw a guy slap a Mommie who was just a bit too tipsy and got a bit loud and stupid when demanding to "give me face, drink with me!" with the guy shouting "Why the hell do I need to give YOU face??!
SEAJ
This is my experience in Hui Hua hotel's health spa, it was really great experience. They have 300++ in house PRC there in the hotel spa and nite club. So will have difficulty to pick one since all highly rated. Hehe.
When I reach the spa. I was brought to a room with big bed. Transparent shower room and sauna, then 2 pretty PRC was called in, I directly pick up one which is my type without calling for more chiew keng. She is very cute dressing with white uniform (looks like nurse uniform). After the mummy left, she started her sexy dancing routine, she stripped off her clothing one by one as she danced seductively in front of me. Then she took off my trouser and underwear and grabbed hold of my fully erected didi. I was sitting on the bed with her kneeling right in front of me giving me a BJ with constant eye contact from her. Shame, within few seconds, I unloaded in her mouth. (may be didn't get service for sometimes and looking too much sexy girls in chang ping). Then she smile and say no worry, we still have many times and many style yet to play.
Next she took me to the shower room for a shower together. After she throughly cleaned my body. She catbath me with her boobs and give my semi erect did a great blowjob inside the shower room. Her BJ was excellent as she knew how to deep throat and licked along my didi shaft. After that she ask me to turn around and facing the wall, damn. She start kneel down and licking my ass hole. I was like in the heaven.
After the shower and ass rimming, we move back to the bed. She start performing over 20 skills on serving me. Different way of licking and sucking my whole body, including my didi, fingers, toes, back every inches of my body. I was like the king and so so shiok. On the bed, I was ask make a pose like women doing doggy style. Then she spray some spirit on my ass hole (so cold) and start ass rimming again from behind. Wow. Unforgetable. Then suddenly, she put on a condom on my toe, then putting my toe into her pussy, she say this skill is "qing ting dian shui". So funny I never try this before.
Finally it was time for me to FJ her. Her pussy lips is very thick and fresh, but I didn't taste it. After few standard position, I finally ejaculated my cum into her pussy while French kissing her in missionary position. The whole session is so unforgetable and enjoyable. I paid her for RMB300 and RMB230 for the room. Well it is worthy for this kind of service for 2 hours in such a nice room.
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Folks. I am certain this type of behavior by KTV girls happens to a good number of us, but for 2 incidents to happen back to back at the same KTV is just ridiculous.
Simply put stay away from Penn KTV. Unless you want to end up in these type of situations.
Mommies and DJ/KJs have a monthly quota of bookings they need to meet. So next time when they call you asking when you are coming over again, remind them exactly why you are NOT going there anymore.
But don't tell them "NO" outright, have some fun while doing it. Voice your complains and make them believe that there is still a chance that you may return. That way they will apologize over and over again, and maybe even offer some free stuff.
This is my experience in Hui Hua hotel's health spa, it was really great experience.they have 300++ in house PRC there in the hotel spa and nite club. So will have difficulty to pick one since all highly rated.hehe.
When i reach the spa.i was brought to a room with big bed.transparent shower room and sauna, then 2 pretty PRC was called in, i directly pick up one which is my type without calling for more chiew keng. She is very cute dressing with white uniform( looks like nurse uniform). After the mummy left, she started her sexy dancing routine,she stripped off her clothing one by one as she danced seductively in front of me. Then she took off my trouser and underwear and grabbed hold of my fully erected didi. I was sitting on the bed with her kneeling right in front of me giving me a BJ with constant eye contact from her. Shame, within few seconds, i unloaded in her mouth. (may be didnt get service for sometimes and looking too much sexy girls in chang ping). Then she smile and say no worry, we still have many times and many style yet to play.
Next she took me to the shower room for a shower together. After she throughly cleaned my body. She catbath me with her boobs and give my semi erect did a great blowjob inside the shower room. Her BJ was excellent as she knew how to deep throat and licked along my didi shaft. After that she ask me to turn around and facing the wall, damn. she start kneel down and licking my ass hole. I was like in the heaven.
After the shower and ass rimming, we move back to the bed. She start performing over 20 skills on serving me. Different way of licking and sucking my whole body, including my didi, fingers, toes, back every inches of my body. I was like the king and so so shiok. On the bed, i was ask make a pose like women doing doggy style. Then she spray some spirit on my ass hole (so cold) and start ass rimming again from behind. Wow.unforgetable. Then suddenly, she put on a condom on my toe, then putting my toe into her pussy, she say this skill is "qing ting dian shui".so funny i never try this before.
Finally it was time for me to FJ her . her pussy lips is very thick and fresh, but i didnt taste it. After few standard position, I finally ejaculated my cum into her pussy while French kissing her in missionary position . The whole session is so unforgetable and enjoyable. I paid her for RMB300 and RMB230 for the room. Well it is worthy for this kind of service for 2 hours in such a nice room.
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Fast Eddie 48
04-02-08, 22:50
Sorry to hear bad experience by asian bleu ,I only go to ktv with my HK friend a few time since I don't drink much I think the mommie service the regular much better than new customer my hk buddy know the mommie tip them well she always bring the best girl ,most of the time we just go to the flower st at JIa yi and pick the girl without getting a ktv room .
Yes some girl have attuide I just kick them out and have mommie bring more girl and we always treat the girl well and with respect but we never have the kind of problem that asian bleu have maybe just bad luck maybe bbs or sauna is better for him so many options in CP and so little time.
Fast eddie 48
OldAsiaHand
04-03-08, 08:09
Tightway,
I have wasted a lot of time and money on dinner without scoring but I cannot just tell a freebie I want to do her right from the start.
I think you underestimate the number of girls without an agenda. I think most want more than just enjoyment and happiness from a ONS. Of course, they will not just come out and tell you their intentions directly. As you should know being in China so long, there is a saying about not speaking from the heart; "Koh Si Xin Fei" or something like that. (Native speakers, please correct my worthless PinYin).
I do manage to get a fair number of freebies in China, however, most of the time it takes some time for me to score. That said, I just met one girl on a flight from Shanghai last week. I offered her a ride home from the airport, carried her bag up to her place and the rest is history. I did go to dinner with her and some her friends after the deed, but did not pay the bill. However, I can count on one hand the number of times that sort of thing has happened to me in over 12 years in China. It is usually the former way. I meet a girl and have to take her out a few times before I get laid. Most of the freebies I meet may be older (26-35) and more conservative and have only had 1-2 guys before me though. Frankly, the sex is usually not very good.
So, I don't think what you claim is impossible, it is just the number of hits in such a short period of time with no investment whatsoever is what I think is suspect to many of the members on the board.
Alot of mongers prefer P4P because it is easy and risk free, not necessarily because they do not like freebies. If getting and, getting rid of, freebies was a easy as you make it sound, it might be different.
Just my POV.
OAH
I used to invite girls to dinner, etc. and found that often it is a waste of time.
Many girl like to date many guys and just be invited to a nice dinner, etc.
Since I am skipping the romantic part and come right to the point, i am much more successful in getting what I am looking for. That way I sort out the girls who go for fun because they want fun, and the girls who have more than fun as an agenda, because they want to check out the guy first to see if he is marriage or money milking material.
I have never had any bad experiences with any girls, except the one I mentioned, because she thought she could trick me into milking me.
Why do you think you have to give a girl money if she is not a prosti?
Dont you think it is enough that you also give enjoyment and happiness to the girl as an exchange for her company?
I dont know why you think you have to pay a freebie to be with you.
All my (non ISG) buddies think it is normal to be with a girl and not pay her anything.
We men are worth something too, and we are good company too. Why should we have to pay a freebie girl more than the dinner or the taxi ride?
If she is my gf than it is different. Than buying her gifts and giving her money when she is in trouble or caring about other things are OK.
But than I know that she actually really cares about me and that I can trust her.
If an apperent "freebie" girl thinks she can pretend being a freebie, just to milk me, than she is at the wrong adress.
Maybe than I should send her to you?
Hehe....Just a joke! ;-)
Maybe some of you guys got so used to paying a girl money for her company that you might already have forgotten what a real freebie actually is.
She is more or less free!
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SE Asia Joe
04-03-08, 08:20
Sorry to hear bad experience by asian bleu ,I only go to ktv with my HK friend a few time since I don't drink much I think the mommie service the regular much better than new customer my hk buddy know the mommie tip them well she always bring the best girl ,most of the time we just go to the flower st at JIa yi and pick the girl without getting a ktv room .
Yes some girl have attuide I just kick them out and have mommie bring more girl and we always treat the girl well and with respect but we never have the kind of problem that asian bleu have maybe just bad luck maybe bbs or sauna is better for him so many options in CP and so little time.
Fast eddie 48
Hey Eddie:
You and yur friends' gentlemanly manners and genrosity is precisely what I am talking about. Compared to the local PRC guys, we are really old softees to these Gals and their Mommies.
If the gals/mommies respond in kind to the gentle way we treat them, then that is perfect - but the problem is when we meet up with Mommas/gals who don't really give a shit about their job - getting ready to go home, working on a "long term sugar daddy prospect", already fed up with other items with their present job, never mind long term - I want money NOW, I've got another 'better' guy I'm working on in the next room/just phoned me up, etc etc. BTW - I see this kind of attitude more in CP KTV's than in other towns- I guess because of how transient this town is and how easily the gals and mommies can move from one establishment/mode of business to another.
Anyway I believe it's these kind of situations that we HKG/Laowais gets screwed up by them on and I believe this is what happened to AsianBleu.
And on using Mommies which you are familair with - yes, in most cases, this is true that you get better treatment - but there ARE also occassions that these same "familiar" mommas will instead take advantage of you - thinking that YOU are giving THEM face! My motto is no matter who I am dealing with, ALWAYS establish PRIOR to the start what are the charges, priviliges etc. the don't mind at all and when things get going, you can then even ask for some complimentary food or booze or whatever - no harm in asking and I usually get something or another. No big deal to them either.
Just IMHO
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
04-03-08, 08:40
Tightway,
So, I don't think what you claim is impossible, it is just the number of hits in such a short period of time with no investment whatsoever is what I think is suspect to many of the members on the board.
OAH
OK - No agenda on my part either and I certainly don't want to be known as Tightway's groupie or anything - but this is what I know about how he does it.
First, a young Laowai, dressed quite nattily, speaking very passable Putonghua and all in all a pretty damn good "package" (Oh shit - that sounds sooooo homo!)
Tway: (Goes up to any random gal - whether on the street or even in a KTV and proclaims)
"You are so pretty. I am Tightway and my phone is xxxx and I really am looking only for gals who are not doing things for money."
WG: (thinking - yeah, so what's new - who ain't? But what the hell, I'll go along with this shit - he looks decent enuuff).
"Oh you flatter me!"
Tway: "No really... and why don't you come up to my room as I want to get to know you better"
WG: (OK, I know the drill)
Ok, that'll be nice!
Goes up to room
Tway: "Now, I really really am only looking for non professional gals and will not pay you anything - you know this right? And I do think you are ever soooo nice"
WG: (Wow, this guy really love this masquerade - oh hell - why not go along with it).
"Of course - I'm NOT that kind of gal!
(Yeah, and I ain't got yellow skin - just wait till I ride you cowboy! These Laowais! And this guy does seem loaded - so he's gonna pay me - not a problem!).
Loving, licking, slurping, riding, undying declarations of love, sucking, coming.
Scene 1 -
WG:(Wow, this guy IS good - and he IS nice - and he seems rich - oh hell, why not - I'll play along with this a bit longer)
"Oh Tightway - you are the only love of my life!"
Scene 2
WG: (OK, THAT' done! gotta go home and feed the kids)
"Laogong - I really love you but need to go back and take care of my Mom. And oh, I didn't bring any money with me.........."
What do you think Tightway?
Pretty close??
SEAJ
Ps. This is what is known as fishing in a barrel full of fish.
AsianBleu-
I had two similar duds there - one girl after about 2 hours wanted to go and given that she had a sore on her lip - which I couldn't see in the line up - I let her go - someone else can have that. Whatever, of course that set a bad precident and the other invited her friend in then wanted to leave.
As I didn't really connect with either of them and also had a girl from other KTV with me (we were looking for a third) - that probably didn't help the connection. But both of them were really duds in personality, didn't play the KTV girl part very well, if I recall correctly they didn't drink much either. Maybe they were so short on girls they forgot to train them? I think the laowei card was played by them and they slagged off in service. I did learn the lesson not to bring your own though, as that sets the KTV girls off even if you plan on taking one of them.
Crown Prince on the other hand was very good. Perhaps you should give that a go, although you'll want to have 2-3 people at least and get a room with a view of the show. Another ISG member was cool enough to set this up and invite me and it was a blast.
Old Mean Dog
04-03-08, 16:23
Tightway,
I have wasted a lot of time and money on dinner without scoring but I cannot just tell a freebie I want to do her right from the start.
I think you underestimate the number of girls without an agenda. I think most want more than just enjoyment and happiness from a ONS. Of course, they will not just come out and tell you their intentions directly. As you should know being in China so long, there is a saying about not speaking from the heart; "Koh Si Xin Fei" or something like that. (Native speakers, please correct my worthless PinYin).
I do manage to get a fair number of freebies in China, however, most of the time it takes some time for me to score. That said, I just met one girl on a flight from Shanghai last week. I offered her a ride home from the airport, carried her bag up to her place and the rest is history. I did go to dinner with her and some her friends after the deed, but did not pay the bill. However, I can count on one hand the number of times that sort of thing has happened to me in over 12 years in China. It is usually the former way. I meet a girl and have to take her out a few times before I get laid. Most of the freebies I meet may be older (26-35) and more conservative and have only had 1-2 guys before me though. Frankly, the sex is usually not very good.
So, I don't think what you claim is impossible, it is just the number of hits in such a short period of time with no investment whatsoever is what I think is suspect to many of the members on the board.
Alot of mongers prefer P4P because it is easy and risk free, not necessarily because they do not like freebies. If getting and, getting rid of, freebies was a easy as you make it sound, it might be different.
Just my POV.
OAH
Reminds me of the time my Wingman and I were staying at the Lucky Hotel and he went down to the 7-11 to buy a couple of cans of coffee and ends up banging one of the two girls who were working the midnight shift there.
She did ask him for 200 after the deed was done. Long story short, maybe what Tightway thought was a potential freebie was a girl who does P4P to supplement her regular income. I also think that is a helluva lot of so-called freebies to pull in a short amount of time.
You can never really tell in CP. Many of those legit girls working in shops, restaurants, and even 7-11's may need some extra cash or just looking for Uncle Sugar. The "good" girls in CP know the stigma of living in CP and understand what most of the guys are there for. If they are truely good girls, then they might go the extra mile (i.e. many dates) to prove this to you and to make sure you are legit as well and not some ONS Playboy.
-CPE
Dan Hawaii
04-04-08, 10:01
Since I am skipping the romantic part and come right to the point, i am much more successful in getting what I am looking for. That way I sort out the girls who go for fun because they want fun, and the girls who have more than fun as an agenda, because they want to check out the guy first to see if he is marriage or money milking material.
Hello Tightway,
I have been reading your posts and was reluctant to reply. However, I feel I want to interject, because I do believe people like you can get freebies, I have no doubt. However, the thing that is really troublesome, besides that it sounds like you are really bragging about your conquests, is that you are tight with your money. Why not make a generous offer to these less fortunate ladies. They are poor and probably are not in their profession by choice. Even though they are reluctant to accept the money, I’m sure you can give them money in a creative way, because you are so suave. Make up an excuse to give them money to help them out a little. I mean, you must really care for these gals and love them so much, why not help them out monetarily.
Or are you a real cheap ass and don’t want to pay for what these girls deserve? Or you are full of shit, because you whisper sweet nothing into the girls' ears, promising you will take them away to a better place and take care of them? So either way, you are a cheap ass and/or you are full of shit.
So the question is which are you? Maybe both? And why would you want to brag about it?
Seems like we have a very interesting line of posts about the psyche about the girls of Chang Ping. I suppose it is possible to get some "freebies" if you are a good looking laowai that dresses neatly. I wouldn't know because I am not a good looking laowai, I dress comfortably, and I don't want freebies :)
But to the point, in my limited experience with the girls in China, nothing strikes me more than the pragmatic nature of the girls. Cash is king. I'm no BSD but i'm also not so naive as to think that working girls want to be with my fat ass for free. The girls want to be "taken care of" financially or not have to worry about the money. There is a reason that rich HK guys, Taiwan guys, and Singapore guys get some of the best tail. It is because they pay big dollars to secure the gals. Call it BSD syndrome...call it the capitalist way.
My PoV is have fun, threat the girls nicely, pay em, and move to the next :)
'lad
I don't think he's as cold as he writes. But I think he's got really good non verbal communications skills and picks up signals quicker. I don't think its that unusual for someone decent looking to get WG freebies as I do think they give it up to someone once in awhile over the course of a year. A newbie friend (in his 30s) who I took around 9/07 got a Zhu Hai sauna girl for about a week on and off but of course he had to wait until 7am when she got off work. Me, I'm just here for the volume and variety.
Hello Tightway,
I have been reading your posts and was reluctant to reply. However, I feel I want to interject, because I do believe people like you can get freebies, I have no doubt. However, the thing that is really troublesome, besides that it sounds like you are really bragging about your conquests, is that you are tight with your money. Why not make a generous offer to these less fortunate ladies. They are poor and probably are not in their profession by choice. Even though they are reluctant to accept the money, I’m sure you can give them money in a creative way, because you are so suave. Make up an excuse to give them money to help them out a little. I mean, you must really care for these gals and love them so much, why not help them out monetarily.
Or are you a real cheap ass and don’t want to pay for what these girls deserve? Or you are full of shit, because you whisper sweet nothing into the girls' ears, promising you will take them away to a better place and take care of them? So either way, you are a cheap ass and/or you are full of shit.
So the question is which are you? Maybe both? And why would you want to brag about it?
Hi All,
First I must thank all you guys who helped me decide where to book in CP. First I was going to stay in the Crown Prince but now I have book the Miraton as it is where most of the fun is but I will pay a visit to the Prince!!.
I have never been to a KTV and my friend and I want to try for first time.
Can somebody give me and other first timers the low down on KTV.
Price(what would a night cost and what not to pay)??
What to expect from the girls??
Would 2 people be enough to have a good time in the KTV?
And last but not least, what is the best KTV to visit??
If any other ISG guys around on the 23rd to 28th of April who want to meet we would be more then happy.
Daft
Nobody Doe
04-06-08, 05:10
Taiwan Guy is traveling from Beijing to Shenzhen on April 7. He has been living and working in Beijing for more than 2 years, and his last trip to South China was 7 years ago in year 2001. He's from Taiwan so he can speak Chinese. Taiwan Guy is a friend of OldAsiaHand, but OAH will not be around next week.
Taiwan Guy is planning to visit Dongguan for mongering on Monday and Tuesday. Then Wed - Friday nights (probably Tuesday night too) he will stay in Shenzhen for business meetings and business dinners, but he will try his best to go mongering in Shenzhen after boring business dinners.
He and his Taiwanese classmate, who's living & working in Canton for 2 years, will go directly to Dongguan from Shenzhen airport on April 7 afternoon. They will go to Chang An first, as his classmate knows Chang An better but never been to Chang Ping. It looks like more people are talking about Chang Ping than Chang An. Is Chang Ping a better mongering place than Chang An?
Taiwan Guy would love to hang out with forum brothers from Shenzhen / Chang An / Chang Ping. Please PM your contact number.
Cheers,
Taiwan Guy
Dan Hawaii
04-07-08, 05:06
Went to the night market last night at 2am and had around 40 girls available. My friend picked one and was satisfied with the service. Mostly had 4-6's lookers with a couple of 7's. I was surprised at the quantity at such a late hour. Motorcycle policeman drove by and I was ready to run for my life, but nothing happened, mommies and girls never even flinched. :)
SE Asia Joe
04-07-08, 05:14
Went to the night market last night at 2am and had around 40 girls available. My friend picked one and was satisfied with the service. Mostly had 4-6's lookers with a couple of 7's. I was surprised at the quantity at such a late hour. Motorcycle policeman drove by and I was ready to run for my life, but nothing happened, mommies and girls never even flinched. :)
Did an AG switcheroo did you? You naughty boys!
SEAJ
Dan Hawaii
04-07-08, 05:17
Went to a club/disco/ktv last night which was highly recommended by a singaporean stranger I met on the street. It's called "New Dong Tai Entertainment Square". Girls were 3-6-9 AND 4-8-12 (just taller). Was like club Xinde, but was newer and nicer. And there are a line up of girls, like any other ktv establishment. I dont think club xinde has girl lines ups??? Anyways, was a disappointment, because the stranger said it was the biggest club in Asia, and had hot girls there. Anyways, the dance floor was smaller than Xinde, and the girls were only average, but more expensive, I don't know why. I was thinking the girls would be wild sexy dancers like strip bar or go go dancing type of girls. Only one turned out to be like that and the rest of the girls were regular ktv girls. The crowd was like Xinde , kind of "local" type customers. Got to watch for pick pockets.
Dan Hawaii
04-07-08, 05:23
Did an AG switcheroo did you? You naughty boys!
SEAJ
Hi Toucan, yeah, my friend did it because he did not feel the vibe with his 2 girls. So I had to take him to the night market. I left my club/disco/ktv/whatever girl in the hotel with my other friend. She was one of the 4-8-12 girls so I just kept her for ST. Club NTT, what a rip off. And it is a 30rmb taxi drive away (20 minutes). Will not go back.
It looks spectacular from the outside, but when you get inside, what a disappointment, just average. I mean, its a nice place, ktv rooms are nice. But the prices are way more than all the other ktvs in cp. The beers are 35 rmb and there are no "buy 1 get 1 free deal" or any other deals. Straight buying of beers. The girls were not even better looking than many of the other ktvs, but the girls costs almost double! If the girls were wild strip bar / go go dancing kind of girls, then yeah, I'll be there every night. Or if the prices were the same as ktv prices, then I'll place it in my schedule just for different flavor (because its a disco). Or if the beauty of the girls justified the costs, then yeah, I'll recommend it. IMHO.
SE Asia Joe
04-07-08, 05:49
Hi Toucan, yeah, my friend did it because he did not feel the vibe with his 2 girls. So I had to take him to the night market. I left my club/disco/ktv/whatever girl in the hotel with my other friend. She was one of the 4-8-12 girls so I just kept her for ST. Club NTT, what a rip off. And it is a 30rmb taxi drive away (20 minutes). Will not go back.
Hmmmmm.... never even heard of this NTT - good thing you posted and warn us. I guess those BSD Singapore guys think its better to pay more!
Anyway, whilst you guys were getting ripped off, I got myself a good deal!
The bunch of us dithered and screwed around deciding which KTV to go to - earlier going to Jia Yi - but then decided to eat first (BAD BAD mistake), checked out PP and then going back to Jia Yi - and of course ALL the decent looking gals had meanwhile already been taken. Called up my Peninsula KDJ and she propmised me a nice small room - which of course was already gone by the time we arrived and was shunted between huge rooms and huger rooms with huge minimum charges = which of course we refused.
By the time we were settled in at our Medium size room (RMB688 minimum) it was already 11 PM!! Surprisingly though, between my KDJ, the various managers and - get this - G.R. Eighteen team Vice Supervisors, they managed to rustle up some decent loking ones. I ended up with quite a nice looking tall gal from Jiangxi (my favorite province for gals) who was quite GFE.
Anyway, during the course of the evening I found out that she actually was a "top model" (versus just a model - jeez, now they've even got different class models!!) and that actually she was 3-8-10 not 3-6-9, never mind 2-5-8! - but that because she had also been late to work, that she was worried that she was not going to be "picked" and thus did not differentiate herself from the 2-5-8 gals!
And she was ever so nice and told me to please not to worry about the pricing - that she was just ever so pleased that because of this bit of/sort of mix-up that she got to know me! Wow - so NICE don't you think?
YOu guys want her contact details??
Yeah right! NO F....ing WAY! This is another keeper!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
04-07-08, 06:09
. The beers are 35 rmb and there are no "buy 1 get 1 free deal" or any other deals. Straight buying of beers. .
You know what - you're bringing out a - most time - ignored point. Beer in CP seems to me to be more expensive than other places. And they do lull us into a sense of "oh hell, we gotta cover the minimum anyways - so what?"
I do know that somebody's gotta pay for all dem nice decor and lavish rooms and the fact that charges have remained at 2-5-8 in CP for the longest time -but RMB35 per bottle? And even at Peninsula, I was quoted RMB408 per dozen, free half dozen (PP is similar but BOGO?), whilst if I recall, its RMB448 (?) per dozen straight at Crown Prince. Hell, its MOP 108/dozen at most bars in Macau and I think even cheaper at some places in Shenzhen/Guangzhou (Is this correct?). Not too big a problem with Toucan me - but hell - its all these gals (and buddies??!~!!) drinking away my share!!
Anybody got any ideas as to how to minimize the "damage?"
SEAJ
Ps. Just to put this into perspective, our RMB688 minimum became a RMB1282 from 11 pm to 2:30 am, plus RMB200 for our KDJ and an extra RMB50 to give to my KDJ friend who arranged the room/gals etc, it worked out to approx RMB250@ for the six of us - plus of course the 2-5-8. I also remember paying RMB450 for previous ights at the Peninsula and RMB500 at the Crown Prince, and a measly RMB200 at PP.
SE Asia Joe
04-07-08, 08:00
OK guys - here's a new one for me!
"A" Kuen from Swan Lake BBS - 18 years old, from Kit Yeung, GD province, a real spinner and quite a GFE.
Well as usual, I started taking pictures of her as soon as she came into my room - and she was actually posing for me - fully dressed and then even whilst stripping etc. Hmmm.... this is a nice start I figured. The poses and action continued and I've basically got a series of the whole thing with her. Nice if I may say so myself!
Anyway, after the deed, she asked me to post her "decent" pictures up on her own blog site on wwww.51.com.
JEEZ!!! Figure this one out guys!
Anyway, senior members who've PMS'd me before, and of course, only if you're interested, PM me and I'll give you her handle and you can see her full face etc (for as you know I do try to protect most of their identities when posting pixs here - but in this case, she does have her own blog with all her other pictures etc.
These young girls! Jeez!
SEAJ
You know what - you're bringing out a - most time - ignored point. Beer in CP seems to me to be more expensive than other places. And they do lull us into a sense of "oh hell, we gotta cover the minimum anyways - so what?"
I do know that somebody's gotta pay for all dem nice decor and lavish rooms and the fact that charges have remained at 2-5-8 in CP for the longest time -but RMB35 per bottle? And even at Peninsula, I was quoted RMB408 per dozen, free half dozen (PP is similar but BOGO?), whilst if I recall, its RMB448 (?) per dozen straight at Crown Prince. Hell, its MOP 108/dozen at most bars in Macau and I think even cheaper at some places in Shenzhen/Guangzhou (Is this correct?). Not too big a problem with Toucan me - but hell - its all these gals (and buddies??!~!!) drinking away my share!!
Anybody got any ideas as to how to minimize the "damage?"
1. Drink at the main bar area
2. Pick your girl and leave the KTV. You are not into drinking anyway. And your singing is only appreciated by the girls because you pay them hahaha.
SE Asia Joe
04-07-08, 08:30
1. Drink at the main bar area
2. Pick your girl and leave the KTV. You are not into drinking anyway. And your singing is only appreciated by the girls because you pay them hahaha.
GOOOOOD idea - and BTW - this is for those guys going solo or even just with another friend. Not worth it to get a room.
And NO, even the gals don't appreciate my singing - and even after paying them! Damn Damn Damn! It's only I, Moi, wor, that appreciates my melodious fine singing voice!! YUCK!
Joe
And NO, even the gals don't appreciate my singing - and even after paying them! Damn Damn Damn! It's only I, Moi, wor, that appreciates my melodious fine singing voice!! YUCK!
Joe
So now we know. With old age, the thing that goes first before your voice is your hearing.
SE Asia Joe
04-07-08, 09:23
So now we know. With old age, the thing that goes first before your voice is your hearing.
Nope - the thing that goes first is dignity.
I mean it really is undignified the way us old guys go after these young little things. Totally undignified..... but oh soooooo enoyable!!
Thank God for guiding Lilly to develop Cialis and Pfizer Viagra! Now there's more and more old undignified guys running around to keep me company!
SEAJ
Hi guys. I saw a lot of confusing info on getting to Chang Ping from HKG. What would be the best way, at 7 a.m? Willing to pay a little more to save time after the long flight. I emailed the hotel and got no reply. I don't want to drag my luggage hopping trains.
SE Asia Joe
04-07-08, 10:08
Hi guys. I saw a lot of confusing info on getting to Chang Ping from HKG. What would be the best way, at 7 a.m? Willing to pay a little more to save time after the long flight. I emailed the hotel and got no reply. I don't want to drag my luggage hopping trains.
Posted this previously
Just got back from Miraton and picked up a brochure on the bus service Miraton/HK Airport. Eternal East bus, www.eebus.com, (852)3760-0888, (755)8389-3166. Airport phone (852)2261-0176.
Airporrt to Miraton - every half hour on the hour and half hour from 10:00 to 19:30. (go to A08 Service kiosk at airport)
From Miraton to Airport 6:30, 7:30 8:30 9:30 10:30 14:30 15:30 16:30
Single Trip RMB168 RT 298. at Miraton, Phone (0769)8302-8888.
At 7 am though, your best bet would be to get a private car from the same desks around the A08 desks - it will cost you - but you said you got the bucks and don't mind paying to avoid inconveniences.
SEAJ
Pointpanic
04-07-08, 13:45
SEAJoe gives good advice. For a few more HKDs (I think it was 228) try Sky Limo and you don't have to get out of the vehicle at the Border. There are several easy transfers over the border near Shekou and at the Crown Prince and drops you off across the street from the Miraton about 3 hours later. They are located next to the money exchange after custons and the welcome to HK kiosk, but before you exit arrivals. Coming back, EE is good at the Miraton, but you can also get a van at anytime from Hui Hua for a little more direct non stop to HKIA (in 2 hours) for about 800 RMB, just get some others to share the fare. This is useful to shave off an hour on the morning run.
Hi guys. I saw a lot of confusing info on getting to Chang Ping from HKG. What would be the best way, at 7 a.m? Willing to pay a little more to save time after the long flight. I emailed the hotel and got no reply. I don't want to drag my luggage hopping trains.
Fast Eddie 48
04-07-08, 16:30
Went to a club/disco/ktv last night which was highly recommended by a singaporean stranger I met on the street. It's called "New Dong Tai Entertainment Square". Girls were 3-6-9 AND 4-8-12 (just taller). Was like club Xinde, but was newer and nicer. And there are a line up of girls, like any other ktv establishment. I dont think club xinde has girl lines ups??? Anyways, was a disappointment, because the stranger said it was the biggest club in Asia, and had hot girls there. Anyways, the dance floor was smaller than Xinde, and the girls were only average, but more expensive, I don't know why. I was thinking the girls would be wild sexy dancers like strip bar or go go dancing type of girls. Only one turned out to be like that and the rest of the girls were regular ktv girls. The crowd was like Xinde , kind of "local" type customers. Got to watch for pick pockets.Dan,
If you paid that kind of price you are better off go to the Royal Garden Hotel KTV or the Crown Prince KTV. Both are about 20 min taxi 25 rmb. I think these two are the top KTV's in the area. Top quality girl but expensive. And did your mom ever teach you don't trust strangers off the street?
Fast eddie 48
Dan Hawaii
04-07-08, 23:29
Anybody got any ideas as to how to minimize the "damage?"
There are several ways:
Tell the DJ if she clears any glasses or bottles with beers, then she will not get tipped.
Tell the DJ to let you know when the minimum is reached and go from there.
Pound a 6 pack before you go into the ktv, so that you are feeling a bit tipsy before you go into the ktv, and the girls may look a lot better because you got your beer goggles on (but for toucan, just pound 1.5 beers before you pass out). :)
Sneak in a small bottle of hard liquor and drink it in the bathroom intermitently.
Dan Hawaii
04-07-08, 23:39
Dan,
If you paid that kind of price you are better off go to the Royal Garden Hotel KTV or the Crown Prince KTV. Both are about 20 min taxi 25 rmb. I think these two are the top KTV's in the area. Top quality girl but expensive. And did your mom ever teach you don't trust strangers off the street?
Fast eddie 48
My sentiments exactly; what a rip off!!! Like I said before, the stranger who recommended this place made it sound like all the girls had seductive dancing talent. Then the price would have been justified. However, only 1 of our girls fullfilled this fantasy. Oh well, chalk it up as a learned experience. I mean, we all had fun there, but not enough fun to justify the inflated prices.
Dan,
Wish you had asked before you went. New Dong Tai is actually well known for druggies to hang out at. People go there to get high and it's well known for that, not for the girls.
Also, New Dong Tai is also known for their "Male *****s" So that's a place that I stay far away from. You should have stayed at Sangem in Tangxia "? " sometimes it's better to stick with what you know, rather than to be adventurous.
But I gotta give it to you though, you've got balls to go that far away from CP, not knowing a lot of Chinese. I give you props.
Went to a club/disco/ktv last night which was highly recommended by a singaporean stranger I met on the street. It's called "New Dong Tai Entertainment Square". Girls were 3-6-9 AND 4-8-12 (just taller). Was like club Xinde, but was newer and nicer. And there are a line up of girls, like any other ktv establishment. I dont think club xinde has girl lines ups??? Anyways, was a disappointment, because the stranger said it was the biggest club in Asia, and had hot girls there. Anyways, the dance floor was smaller than Xinde, and the girls were only average, but more expensive, I don't know why. I was thinking the girls would be wild sexy dancers like strip bar or go go dancing type of girls. Only one turned out to be like that and the rest of the girls were regular ktv girls. The crowd was like Xinde , kind of "local" type customers. Got to watch for pick pockets.
Ok I met tighway for dinner after which we were gonna go over to the Yalan area to look at the shops. This restaurant was opposite the Swan Lake Hotel and up the block a bit. Well we saw 3 locals in an SUV parked in front of the restaurant. We noticed them as a mommie approached the car bringing a girl over from the shops to be checked out. She did not look like a happy camper. I don't know if she was picked but she justed stayed outside with a unhappy look on her face. Later the mommie had another girl called over. That one did get into the car. I told tighway let"s wave and smile at her thru the window. She smiled back and tighway pointed to the front door of the restaurant six booths away. He proceeded to get her number. Needless to say the 3 locals weren't pleased and wouldn't be taking her and shortly drove away. She then walked inside to have dinner with us. Supposedly she's been only working 2 weeks to pay some big time hospital bills for her brother who got injured. After dinner she was gonna visit him in a local hospital and asked tighway if he wanted to come along so he'll know she's telling the truth. I told him to tell her you needed to help me find a girl from the shops as I don't speak Mandarin. When all was said and done he ended up giving her 30 rmb for the taxi ride to the hospital as she left her purse at the shop. Who knows what if anything the future holds for this prospect.
Jim Traveller
04-08-08, 03:18
Xin Dong Tai is a drug infested club. Girls get higher sitting fees because they are supposed to get high with you. It starts late around 10 p.m. If you are not into drugs, avoid this club.
My sentiments exactly; what a rip off!!! Like I said before, the stranger who recommended this place made it sound like all the girls had seductive dancing talent. Then the price would have been justified. However, only 1 of our girls fullfilled this fantasy. Oh well, chalk it up as a learned experience. I mean, we all had fun there, but not enough fun to justify the inflated prices.
SE Asia Joe
04-08-08, 04:45
I told tighway let"s wave and smile at her thru the window. She smiled back and tighway pointed to the front door of the restaurant six booths away. He proceeded to get her number.... She then walked inside to have dinner with us. ..... I told him to tell her you needed to help me find a girl from the shops as I don't speak Mandarin. When all was said and done he ended up giving her 30 rmb for the taxi ride to the hospital as she left her purse at the shop. Who knows what if anything the future holds for this prospect.
Yup - Tightway and ABC, my buddies..... in fine fettle and usual modus operandi!
SEAJ
Posted this previously
At 7 am though, your best bet would be to get a private car from the same desks around the A08 desks - it will cost you - but you said you got the bucks and don't mind paying to avoid inconveniences.
SEAJ
Thanks SEAJ. That's exactly the kind of info I need. I'll be staying at the Miraton.
SEAJoe gives good advice. For a few more HKDs (I think it was 228) try Sky Limo and you don't have to get out of the vehicle at the Border. There are several easy transfers over the border near Shekou and at the Crown Prince and drops you off across the street from the Miraton about 3 hours later. They are located next to the money exchange after custons and the welcome to HK kiosk, but before you exit arrivals. Coming back, EE is good at the Miraton, but you can also get a van at anytime from Hui Hua for a little more direct non stop to HKIA (in 2 hours) for about 800 RMB, just get some others to share the fare. This is useful to shave off an hour on the morning run.
Thanks. Useful info.
Just got screwed over by Miraton Hotel. Had 2 bedroom suite booked but now they say that the person staying in those rooms ahead of us has extended their stay and the rooms will not be available to us.
Can someone please recommend a similar quality/price hotel in CP? Miraton was the only one I've stayed at before except for Windsor Park in Huangjiang. Someone told me that a decent hotel opened down the road from Windsor Park. Does anyone know the name or contact info?
Drinks are on me for any useful info. I realize that most places have raised their prices during April as a result of the Trade Fair but I still rather not throw it away.
Thanks
Just got screwed over by Miraton Hotel. Had 2 bedroom suite booked but now they say that the person staying in those rooms ahead of us has extended their stay and the rooms will not be available to us.
Can someone please recommend a similar quality/price hotel in CP? Miraton was the only one I've stayed at before except for Windsor Park in Huangjiang. Someone told me that a decent hotel opened down the road from Windsor Park. Does anyone know the name or contact info?
Drinks are on me for any useful info. I realize that most places have raised their prices during April as a result of the Trade Fair but I still rather not throw it away.
ThanksDo you absolutely have to have a 2 bedroom suite? I think a Hui Hua (next door) with a slight price premium is consistently better than Miraton, although the room/design is showing some age. Ban Dao, a short taxi ride off the beaten path, offer slightly better and newer rooms than Hui Hua in addition to a ~20% discount for the location is another good consideration.
SE Asia Joe
04-09-08, 05:52
OK, I'm gonna act like a BSD. Let's see what happens!
ATTENTION
SEAJ is going on the train right now and will be in CP this afternoon/early evening. Any mongers interested - please fone me - you have my number!
SEAJ
Hmmm.... wonder what will happen
SE Asia Joe
04-09-08, 06:22
Just got screwed over by Miraton Hotel. Had 2 bedroom suite booked but now they say that the person staying in those rooms ahead of us has extended their stay and the rooms will not be available to us.
Can someone please recommend a similar quality/price hotel in CP?
Thanks
The Swan Lake just did a re-decoration and the way I hear it, seem to have done a very good job - 0769-8339-3333
Across the Street from Swan lake, The Clipper hotel just opened up. (don't have their fone)
The Hui Hua hotel 0769-8393-8888 is next door to the Miraton and is under the same management. It is actually higher grade than the Miraton.
Peninsula is also ok - 0769-8398-8888
Hope this helps
SEAJ
Old Mean Dog
04-09-08, 06:26
OK, I'm gonna act like a BSD. Let's see what happens!
ATTENTION
SEAJ is going on the train right now and will be in CP this afternoon/early evening. Any mongers interested - please fone me - you have my number!
SEAJ
Hmmm.... wonder what will happen
Joe, that's not being a BSD, your just trolling for mongering companionship. Had you said I am coming to CP this evening and will pay each BBS girl 400 rmb per ST pop, throw money at the hookers in the KTV and try to seduce the foot massage girl with 100's, then I would think your being a BSD.
I hear there is a few ISG'ers in town.
-CPE
SE Asia Joe
04-09-08, 06:48
Joe, that's not being a BSD, your just trolling for mongering companionship. Had you said I am coming to CP this evening and will pay each BBS girl 400 rmb per ST pop, throw money at the hookers in the KTV and try to seduce the foot massage girl with 100's, then I would think your being a BSD.
I hear there is a few ISG'ers in town.
-CPE
Hey hey hey CPe
I just thought up a good nickname/initials for you -
BSF - for Big Swinging Foot - for dem big 'uns you' use to kick all dem BSD's coming to OUR shores!! Whadya think?
And Trolling???? Trolling??? Jeez - you make me sound like some kind of pervert (err... perhaps I am when I think properly of it?!)
SEAJ
Thanks for the advice. I have a "date" setup the night I get into town from DIA. She knows what she is getting into and definately no LB as she has a cam. Chats started off very romantic from her side but set her straight.
Lets hope it works out. If not the night is still young.
Just got screwed over by Miraton Hotel. Had 2 bedroom suite booked but now they say that the person staying in those rooms ahead of us has extended their stay and the rooms will not be available to us.
Can someone please recommend a similar quality/price hotel in CP? Miraton was the only one I've stayed at before except for Windsor Park in Huangjiang. Someone told me that a decent hotel opened down the road from Windsor Park. Does anyone know the name or contact info?
Drinks are on me for any useful info. I realize that most places have raised their prices during April as a result of the Trade Fair but I still rather not throw it away.
Thanks
Thanks everyone for the suggestions. I'll start calling around to see what is available and at what rates. Hope to meet some of you guys in and around the weekend of the 18th.
Cheers,
Having plow through most of the reports here but seems like I can't find any info about Chang An.
New to this part of China, but don't have the good fortune to be based in a more happening place like CP. Can any brother suggest any good suggestions on where to get some action here for a solo trip in this Chang An town?
Thanks!
Another topic here:
Has anyone ran across any girls with fake tits in CP / dongguan? Seems they are plentiful in many other countries but absent in China? Even HK has its share, but never seen anything in China.
Is it because bbs/ktv is a temporary employment line in China or what?
Any thoughts or comments?
KTV is normall new girls, not so experianced, most will give up soon or basicall wait to be second wife to someone, at the same time some will stay as is quick buck for them.
Not many have enlargement surgery, i have seend a walk in enlargement surgery in a shoppin gmall once in china- strange but thye do it.
Ktv girls do often use large pads to make their breast bigger of wear bigger size bra the is fully padded, cos a lot are small in size and also they dont like men groping thir breast in the ktv!!!
If you're in Donguan a place to go at nite to pick up is what the Chinese call Chicken Street. A street full of loads of girls I mean 20-30 per shop, so plenty o choose from. You can rent a short timehotel or take her back, expect to pay their taxi back. You will have a great selection here and can discuss what you wnat, and you will get it, all types of girls from different places, if you wallk down the street they wil all try to offer themselves, just wak around till you find the one you like.
Locals even hire a motor cyle taxi dirve thu thill htey find there girl and she ops on, if you stay in the local hote you can change your girl when you want.
A differnt way but it's worth a visit.
And you can bargain, here
Freepeaks,
This is kind of how it goes. the closer you are to Hong Kong the more breast implants your encounter. It goes like this :
1. Hong Kong
2. Shenzhen
3. Dongguan
I've encountered 2 girls with bolt-ons in Shenzhen. In Dongguan, I encountered one and my friend encountered another one and they were both from KTVs (although working at different ones). The girl i got with bolt-ons didn't look all that fake, but once your touch them, you can feel that they are fake. It was hard and you could feel the presence of muscle scarring around the implants. But for some reason, her other breasts felt natural, while her right breast had an apparent implant.
But basically implants to exist, just that the frequency in Dongguan is far less. I would say 1 in every 300-400 girls. Shenzhen has more and then Hong Kong there's just a lot more.
But honestly, i like them natural, that's why people come to China. I hope that breast implantation doesn't become too widespread in the near future. It would be a shame to see the natural beauty of chinese girls being deteriorated by plastic surgery.
However, in terms of plastic surgery, the number one plastic surgery that girls in China have is the double eyelid surgery, and that is VERY widespread.
AsnDragon
Another topic here:
Has anyone ran across any girls with fake tits in CP / dongguan? Seems they are plentiful in many other countries but absent in China? Even HK has its share, but never seen anything in China.
Is it because bbs/ktv is a temporary employment line in China or what?
Any thoughts or comments?
I just wanted to vent my discontent with California Red, near the Clipper Hotel. I was there to grab a few drinks with friends and check out some of the girls, as I was told they had some pretty looking ones. Sitting in the bar area was such a waste of time. The drinks are completely overpriced, and the females that were introduced to us at the lineup was average, no stunners at all. So after paying a bill of 600 RMB for three guys and not even potting any good looking girls, i left disappointed.
For that type of money, would rather just get a room at a KTV and pick better looking girls.
I never quite understood picking a girl at a place like california red. The bar area is so loud that you can't even hear what people are saying. I mean the music was louder than any bar or club i've ever been in. It's not he ideal environment to get to know girls...i guess it forces you to resort to body language.
Last week, I was up at the 5th floor KTV BBS at silver club KTV. When you get onto the 5th floor, go to the room to your left. There's this tall model quality girl with a nose ring. She's so fine. She use to work at the Miraton KTV for a little while and decided to come out to work at a BBS. She's got to be at least 5 '6 to 5 7' in height. She doesn't have a full on rack, but she's skinny and tall and to me, looks sorta like a model to me. She's got those sexy lush lips.
Definitely worth a try. I forgot which mommie she is under, since I get bombarded with so many of them, but I think she's under xiao yu "?. The mommie that's got semi curly hair.
There was two girls up in that room with nose rings. Be sure not to get the other girl with a nose ring as she is vietnamese and seems kinda high all the time. But I'm talking about the taller and skinnier one with a nose ring.
Old Mean Dog
04-10-08, 05:32
Another topic here:
Has anyone ran across any girls with fake tits in CP / dongguan? Seems they are plentiful in many other countries but absent in China? Even HK has its share, but never seen anything in China.
Is it because bbs/ktv is a temporary employment line in China or what?
Any thoughts or comments?
I've popped one in CP with fake tits, but have met quite a few in SZ that had 'em. Maybe it's the cost, or as you say temp employment in CP. I know that the gals in SZ that had them, were paid for by their Sugar Daddy's.
-CPE
SE Asia Joe
04-10-08, 06:07
Thanks for the advice. I have a "date" setup the night I get into town from DIA. She knows what she is getting into and definately no LB as she has a cam. Chats started off very romantic from her side but set her straight.
Lets hope it works out. If not the night is still young.
Was in CP yesterday and can give you more Hotel info etc.
1. The clipper - that brand new nice one at Swan Lake Avenue www/clipper-hotel.com w/inromm broadband/computer, safe etc starting at RMB 268 86-769-8189-9888
2. Lucky, the old Lucky favorite of those who loves to stay in a hoor house (Strange how 'the other' word gets ***'d out on ISG), is now trying to charge RMB199/night - but I strongly believe that if you are insistent/claim you've stayed before etc, you will still be able to get their RMB176 rate. Short term rental - up to 6 hours OR 6 PM whichever comes first is half the price. 769--8339-9999
3. Swan Lake Hotel 769-8333-8388 has been refurbished and trying to charge RMB 268 yesterday - but believe that they'll probably lower it with a bit of bargaining - especially since they were offering the Momma at their KTV RMB70 for 2 hours at their Sauna rooms - for the momma's clients. They were all full up yesterday for this short term though, so I had to go to
4. Ya Tao Hotel - which is that newish small hotel set inside that little shopping plaza half way down the old Swan lake hotel bbs - 769-8391-5338, Zhong chen wu 134-1586-4902. RMB50 @2 hours, 80@ 3 hours, 138 daily rate. And surprsingly, this place is quite nice/clean with furnishings close to that offered at the Walter/Miraton - but of course no elevator, safe, etc. but still QUITE NICE for the price I say!
Hope the above of some use to somebody else! Actually I also wrote it so as to have something written for me to refer back to myself!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
04-10-08, 06:38
Eureka!!
It’s all click into place! I mean about Tightway and how he gets these freebies!
Had dinner with him and a couple other ISG guys/gals and of course one of the conversation topics was how he does it. He even tried to ‘coach’ me and had me try it out with a classy gal we saw at the restaurant (How many classy gals do YOU see in CP, and I mean really classy!)! – and of course I embarrassed myself w/the gal practically running out of the place.
OK so THAT does not work – his suggestion of just coming up to them, giving them a compliment and just telling them that you would like to get to know them, give them your phone number – and LEAVE! (KISS – keep it short and simple).
But more so than what he said to us, I also observed what all was going on with him and how he was w/the gal he was with. This is the same gal he picked at the Peninsula KTV last Saturday and who I thought then was quite a tough cookie; she’s gonna eat Tightway alive! Well last night, this same gal had stars in her eyes and looks as if she was totally enamored of Tightway – and actually said this fact to me! Incredible! On top of that, Tightway and this gal looks as if they’ve been a couple for a long long time – touching each other gently and with familiarity, stealing loving glances and even quarrelling over some trivial matters – just like a comfortable and loving old couple.
Tightway then told all of us that she is the second if not the most intelligent and smart gal he’s ever met IN HIS LIFE!! And he said this with total conviction and without an ounce of shame/reservation or even second thought. This guy really totally and so purely believes this – and THIS – is I think, THE KEY TO HIS SUCCESS!!
Tightway prefers to and only can see the good side of each and every gal he meets. He totally discounts whatever bad things there are about them and will totally ignore whatever things they could possibly be - even in a town like CP and at some of the venues he’s met them at. And he genuinely does this, and on top of that offer his genuine love and affection. Now you tell me what gal in China is NOT gonna fall for this!
It’s not only refreshing to see his faith in the goodness of all the gals he meets, but also restores my own faith that there really is at least a few redeeming factors in every single one of us.
You guys are gonna read this and say –“Yeah Yeah yeah Joe – come on man, get real!! Etc etc” well I put it to you that Tightway is the genuine item and that he’s not trying to pull the wool over anybody. IMHO, this is the way the guy really is and I say again MORE POWER TO HIM!
Just IMHO guys, my very humble one! So don’t get on my case - OK?!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
04-10-08, 07:12
If you're in Donguan a place to go at nite to pick up is what the Chinese call Chicken Street. A street full of loads of girls I mean 20-30 per shop, so plenty o choose from. You can rent a short timehotel or take her back, expect to pay their taxi back. You will have a great selection here and can discuss what you wnat, and you will get it, all types of girls from different places, if you wallk down the street they wil all try to offer themselves, just wak around till you find the one you like.
Locals even hire a motor cyle taxi dirve thu thill htey find there girl and she ops on, if you stay in the local hote you can change your girl when you want.
A differnt way but it's worth a visit.
And you can bargain, here
NOTE* So as not to confuse people reading here - I'm pretty sure what officexp is referring to is what we refer to as being the Night Market, which is "Tung Hing #3" street, close to the Yu Hua hotel.
Also more importantly, please note that PRICING should not be "BARGAINED" as officexp suggests. Its RMB50 to the Momma and 100 to the gal after the deed. Just TELL them what it is without giving them any room to even suggest any different pricing. This would only screw up the market for us regulars to the alley.
And BTW - IMHO, them Swan Lake bbbs gals and their mommas are starting to get out of line. Yes, they've got the newest facilites, probably the most gals and is probably the favorite "first" place for us to visit - but hell, I really think that the gals there are starting to get an "attitude" problem - with my second one yesterday not willing to do this or that or this! Cain't believe this crap from a CP BBS gal.
On top of that, the gal with my buddy tried to insist that it was 100 to momma and 150 to her - even going as far as trying to phone her momma up (couldn't get a hold of her) before accepting the 100 plus whatever Xiao Fei my fren gave her. And my first gal yesterday was I think genuinely flabbergasted when I gave her 100 plus 20 xiao fei. She actually asked me - isn't it 150? I do think that the Swan Lake Mommas are telling the gals that its 150 to them - and leaving it to us to sort it all out. BEATCHES!
So guys - lets get a bit united here - OK?
SEAJ
Was in CP yesterday and can give you more Hotel info etc.
1. The clipper - that brand new nice one at Swan Lake Avenue www/clipper-hotel.com w/inromm broadband/computer, safe etc starting at RMB 268 86-769-8189-9888
2. Lucky, the old Lucky favorite of those who loves to stay in a hoor house (Strange how 'the other' word gets ***'d out on ISG), is now trying to charge RMB199/night - but I strongly believe that if you are insistent/claim you've stayed before etc, you will still be able to get their RMB176 rate. Short term rental - up to 6 hours OR 6 PM whichever comes first is half the price. 769--8339-9999
3. Swan Lake Hotel 769-8333-8388 has been refurbished and trying to charge RMB 268 yesterday - but believe that they'll probably lower it with a bit of bargaining - especially since they were offering the Momma at their KTV RMB70 for 2 hours at their Sauna rooms - for the momma's clients. They were all full up yesterday for this short term though, so I had to go to
4. Ya Tao Hotel - which is that newish small hotel set inside that little shopping plaza half way down the old Swan lake hotel bbs - 769-8391-5338, Zhong chen wu 134-1586-4902. RMB50 @2 hours, 80@ 3 hours, 138 daily rate. And surprsingly, this place is quite nice/clean with furnishings close to that offered at the Walter/Miraton - but of course no elevator, safe, etc. but still QUITE NICE for the price I say!
Hope the above of some use to somebody else! Actually I also wrote it so as to have something written for me to refer back to myself!
SEAJ
Small rooms at Lucky start at 130rmb. Big room with window starts at 175rmb, 199rmb on saturday night. The Lucky is getting run down and grubby, but a fun place to stay. Living in a hoor house suits me because Santa loves sluts and hoors. Unfortunately, they closed the dim-sum restaurant on the second floor.
Rooms at Swan Lake can be bargained down to about 220rmb.
2. Lucky, the old Lucky favorite of those who loves to stay in a hoor house (Strange how 'the other' word gets ***'d out on ISG), is now trying to charge RMB199/night - but I strongly believe that if you are insistent/claim you've stayed before etc, you will still be able to get their RMB176 rate.
The Lucky is trying very hard to raise their prices. I had to argue a good 5 minutes with them before they would give me the 176 rate. And only because I have stayed there before at that rate. They claim that on the 15th of april, the rates are definitely going up, and "next time it won't be 176 anymore".
3. Swan Lake Hotel 769-8333-8388 has been refurbished and trying to charge RMB 268 yesterday - but believe that they'll probably lower it with a bit of bargaining - especially since they were offering the Momma at their KTV RMB70 for 2 hours at their Sauna rooms - for the momma's clients. They were all full up yesterday for this short term though, so I had to go to
Swan Lake is 207 (or was it 209?) on weekdays. Call Zhou at 13713143451. He is actually a manager at the Peninsula hotel, but can make the reservation for you at Swan Lake too since the 2 hotels have the same owner.
And BTW - IMHO, them Swan Lake bbbs gals and their mommas are starting to get out of line. Yes, they've got the newest facilites, probably the most gals and is probably the favorite "first" place for us to visit - but hell, I really think that the gals there are starting to get an "attitude" problem - with my second one yesterday not willing to do this or that or this! Cain't believe this crap from a CP BBS gal.
On top of that, the gal with my buddy tried to insist that it was 100 to momma and 150 to her - even going as far as trying to phone her momma up (couldn't get a hold of her) before accepting the 100 plus whatever Xiao Fei my fren gave her. And my first gal yesterday was I think genuinely flabbergasted when I gave her 100 plus 20 xiao fei. She actually asked me - isn't it 150? I do think that the Swan Lake Mommas are telling the gals that its 150 to them - and leaving it to us to sort it all out. BEATCHES!
So guys - lets get a bit united here - OK?
SEAJ
I have never had really good service from Swan Lake girls, which is why I don't pick girls from there anymore even though I agree that there are some nice looking ones there.
And it's more of a KTV that also functions as a BBS. Their KTV rates are 1-3-6 (or was it 1-3-7?) which is why they always try to charge more for a BBS ST. Confirm beforehand to avoid problems.
That's most of it. But I think all these girls do want to "connect" with someone and he comes across as a sincere person looking for a girl to settle down with (even WGs want to eventually marry and settle down with a nice successful guy). So their thinking why not me why not now. However, I'm a firm believer in "you don't know what you want until you have it". So the more check marks these girls are able to obtain he later raises the stakes. Most of us are after physical love and fun. Others want more such as a deep mutual attraction from the girl and some emotional bond. For me that's too tough and draining.
Eureka!!
It’s all click into place! I mean about Tightway and how he gets these freebies!
Had dinner with him and a couple other ISG guys/gals and of course one of the conversation topics was how he does it. He even tried to ‘coach’ me and had me try it out with a classy gal we saw at the restaurant (How many classy gals do YOU see in CP, and I mean really classy!)! – and of course I embarrassed myself w/the gal practically running out of the place.
OK so THAT does not work – his suggestion of just coming up to them, giving them a compliment and just telling them that you would like to get to know them, give them your phone number – and LEAVE! (KISS – keep it short and simple).
But more so than what he said to us, I also observed what all was going on with him and how he was w/the gal he was with. This is the same gal he picked at the Peninsula KTV last Saturday and who I thought then was quite a tough cookie; she’s gonna eat Tightway alive! Well last night, this same gal had stars in her eyes and looks as if she was totally enamored of Tightway – and actually said this fact to me! Incredible! On top of that, Tightway and this gal looks as if they’ve been a couple for a long long time – touching each other gently and with familiarity, stealing loving glances and even quarrelling over some trivial matters – just like a comfortable and loving old couple.
Tightway then told all of us that she is the second if not the most intelligent and smart gal he’s ever met IN HIS LIFE!! And he said this with total conviction and without an ounce of shame/reservation or even second thought. This guy really totally and so purely believes this – and THIS – is I think, THE KEY TO HIS SUCCESS!!
Tightway prefers to and only can see the good side of each and every gal he meets. He totally discounts whatever bad things there are about them and will totally ignore whatever things they could possibly be - even in a town like CP and at some of the venues he’s met them at. And he genuinely does this, and on top of that offer his genuine love and affection. Now you tell me what gal in China is NOT gonna fall for this!
It’s not only refreshing to see his faith in the goodness of all the gals he meets, but also restores my own faith that there really is at least a few redeeming factors in every single one of us.
You guys are gonna read this and say –“Yeah Yeah yeah Joe – come on man, get real!! Etc etc” well I put it to you that Tightway is the genuine item and that he’s not trying to pull the wool over anybody. IMHO, this is the way the guy really is and I say again MORE POWER TO HIM!
Just IMHO guys, my very humble one! So don’t get on my case - OK?!
SEAJ
Jellybelly
04-10-08, 11:52
Been awhile since I visited the forum. Always withdrawal symptoms as I leave the paradise known as CP.
My last trip over Christmas took me to this interesting venue called Xin Dong Tai. Let me try to describe this enigma, as I believe most ISG members avoid this place due to the drug infested reputation.
There is no signage out front to suggest what the place is called, but the music emitting from the place leaves no doubt that its a club. Lots of youths seem to be milling outside in a queue. I had a few HK friends who took me to the venue and booked us a room. The private rooms in here are quite decent as you would expect from other KTV venues. However, the experience was totally different. There is a special fee you pay for an Orgy type experience. It cost approximately 3k RMB from memory (excluding the ladies)to have this type of setup.
The lineup is not any different to what you expect from a KTV, however, once each guy has "marked" their lady companion for the night the fun begins.
The drugs are out, the doors are locked and the girls are completely naked. What you choose to indulge with at this point is up to you. For me, it was a disappointing experience, as I'm not into the drugs and prefer to be in a room with ONLY naked girls.
Each to their own, but another experience to add to the bucket list I suppose.
OldAsiaHand
04-10-08, 12:59
SEAJ,
My girls last Saturday from Swan Lake tried the same shit askingme, "Isn't it 150?" before she left my room. I just brushed it off and told her to call her mama for confirmation of my 100 RMB + 10 for taxi. She did not call. That was the end of it. She took it and left, even saying thank you. I think they all try nowadays.
Just my POV.
OAH
And BTW - IMHO, them Swan Lake bbbs gals and their mommas are starting to get out of line. Yes, they've got the newest facilites, probably the most gals and is probably the favorite "first" place for us to visit - but hell, I really think that the gals there are starting to get an "attitude" problem - with my second one yesterday not willing to do this or that or this! Cain't believe this crap from a CP BBS gal.
On top of that, the gal with my buddy tried to insist that it was 100 to momma and 150 to her - even going as far as trying to phone her momma up (couldn't get a hold of her) before accepting the 100 plus whatever Xiao Fei my fren gave her. And my first gal yesterday was I think genuinely flabbergasted when I gave her 100 plus 20 xiao fei. She actually asked me - isn't it 150? I do think that the Swan Lake Mommas are telling the gals that its 150 to them - and leaving it to us to sort it all out. BEATCHES!
So guys - lets get a bit united here - OK?
SEAJ
The IMF, coming into town and willing to pay the higher rate. Then fucks it up for the rest of us who are the regulars. The IMF guy who negotiate up from the set rate and brags about it.
No, You IMF/BSD has no effect on us.
POV
Bill
SEAJ,
My girls last Saturday from Swan Lake tried the same shit askingme, "Isn't it 150?" before she left my room. I just brushed it off and told her to call her mama for confirmation of my 100 RMB + 10 for taxi. She did not call. That was the end of it. She took it and left, even saying thank you. I think they all try nowadays.
Just my POV.
OAH
Football Hero
04-10-08, 13:56
Having plow through most of the reports here but seems like I can't find any info about Chang An.
New to this part of China, but don't have the good fortune to be based in a more happening place like CP. Can any brother suggest any good suggestions on where to get some action here for a solo trip in this Chang An town?
Thanks!I am in Chang An too, and I'm totally clueless on where to go. Walked down a street earlier and for the first time, nobody bothered to pull me asking me if I would like a girl.
Bored to death, here!
Justinya77
04-10-08, 14:28
In Chang An,
Contact Xiao Mian (Speaks English) last known digits 137901657 PM me for the last 2 digits. She transferred from Qaiotou to Changan back in December. She and the other WGs work out of a wine store. That is the front for the take out shopping.
Going through withdrawal pains in the USA after having lived near CP for 3.25 years. AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!
Having plow through most of the reports here but seems like I can't find any info about Chang An.
New to this part of China, but don't have the good fortune to be based in a more happening place like CP. Can any brother suggest any good suggestions on where to get some action here for a solo trip in this Chang An town?
Thanks!
Old Mean Dog
04-10-08, 15:57
The IMF, coming into town and willing to pay the higher rate. Then fucks it up for the rest of us who are the regulars. The IMF guy who negotiate up from the set rate and brags about it.
No, You IMF/BSD has no effect on us.
POV
Bill
Which one are you; Tightwad, Cheapskate or Broke S.O.B.?
What's wrong with giving some extra sugar to the girls? After all, they are destiute and need it to help their family back home.
Let's face it Mr. Bill Lee, most of us are old, ugly, fat or a combination of these. I come to China to feck young girls and they have to stomach fecking old, ugly AND fat me, that certainly entitles them to a nice fat tip, don't ya think?
Besides the exchange rate is still around 7 to 1, so I am getting quite a bargain, even if I pay double the going rate and besides, whats it to you? There is no "I" in team, WTF did you do for me?
I'm the one who has to put up with the old, ugly AND fat wife bitching at me 350 days a year back home, so I don't mind spending more to help this poor girl out, I'm being charitable, consider it my way of helping out those less fortunate than myself.
Besides, I could tell the moment I laid eyes upon her, that she and I were two kindered souls (give or take 30 years). Her feelings and emotions were natural, she was overwhelmed with passion for me and ONLY me.
My charming personality and outstanding love making skills were something she has never seen or felt before (I know, she told me so), she is honest, sincere and really digs me.
Maybe, I will support her and her family and keep her as my "personal" bit of stuff on the side. She told me she would be just MY girl and hell, whats 7,000 rmb a month ($1,000 USD)?
But to be honest with you Mr. Lee,
The MAIN reason I overpay, is the fact that the 100 rmb note is the biggest in China and it really hurts my ass to sit on a wallet full of them!
Now, have a good day sir!
-CPE
Fyi, $7000 a month RMB is not going to cut it anymore. Depending on the quality of girl you are looking for, most girls that are being taken in as "little wives" are complaining about $10, 000 RMB a month as being too little and that's not including free housing that is to be provided by their sugar daddy. So they still come out into the BBS to work to subsidize their spending.
You can be sure with this surge in inflation, that it's going to be the house o pain soon for all mongers, except for the ultra rich ones.
With you $7, 000 a month RMB, I'll end up "fecking" them a moth later a one of the BBS line ups because it aint enough for them. I did five girls just last month that were being "little wives" to some sugar daddies out there, and they just want more money, nothing will satiate their appetite for the almighty mao- which is predicted to be down to 6. 5 to 1 by the end of the third quarter.
Which one are you; Tightwad, Cheapskate or Broke S.O.B.?
What's wrong with giving some extra sugar to the girls? After all, they are destiute and need it to help their family back home.
Let's face it Mr. Bill Lee, most of us are old, ugly, fat or a combination of these. I come to China to feck young girls and they have to stomach fecking old, ugly AND fat me, that certainly entitles them to a nice fat tip, don't ya think?
Besides the exchange rate is still around 7 to 1, so I am getting quite a bargain, even if I pay double the going rate and besides, whats it to you? There is no "I" in team, WTF did you do for me?
I'm the one who has to put up with the old, ugly AND fat wife bitching at me 350 days a year back home, so I don't mind spending more to help this poor girl out, I'm being charitable, consider it my way of helping out those less fortunate than myself.
Besides, I could tell the moment I laid eyes upon her, that she and I were two kindered souls (give or take 30 years). Her feelings and emotions were natural, she was overwhelmed with passion for me and ONLY me.
My charming personality and outstanding love making skills were something she has never seen or felt before (I know, she told me so), she is honest, sincere and really digs me.
Maybe, I will support her and her family and keep her as my "personal" bit of stuff on the side. She told me she would be just MY girl and hell, whats 7,000 rmb a month ($1,000 USD)?
But to be honest with you Mr. Lee,
The MAIN reason I overpay, is the fact that the 100 rmb note is the biggest in China and it really hurts my ass to sit on a wallet full of them!
Now, have a good day sir!
-CPE
Tightway prefers to and only can see the good side of each and every gal he meets. He totally discounts whatever bad things there are about them and will totally ignore whatever things they could possibly be - even in a town like CP and at some of the venues he’s met them at. And he genuinely does this, and on top of that offer his genuine love and affection. Now you tell me what gal in China is NOT gonna fall for this!
SEAJ -- thanks, that was a good report. I had a hunch it was something like that when I read his comment about wanting to find someone with whom to live happily ever after and be non-promiscuous. Being rather jaded myself, I might say it's like believing in the Easter bunny. However, girls are still girls, and have their romantic fantasies, and if he really believes in those romantic ideals, they can probably see and feel it (even without the dinners and candlelight). I'm starting to wish I believed in that stuff myself, but I don't.
Justinya,
You are a brave man to be back in the US. It's the worst to have withdrawl from CP. However, you being there for more than 3 years and coming back is just pure torture.
Just being there for 3 weeks to 4 weeks at a time, it's already hard for me to get over it. But you being there for 3 years must be even worse. So how do you deal with the withdrawal? I hope you haven't resorted to QQ contacting all of your previous gals online =) haha, I know one of my friends that actually does that religiously.
So what's the excuse you're going to give to come back to CP again?
Hang in there. Until the next time at CP.
AsnDragon
In Chang An,
Contact Xiao Mian (Speaks English) last known digits 137901657 PM me for the last 2 digits. She transferred from Qaiotou to Changan back in December. She and the other WGs work out of a wine store. That is the front for the take out shopping.
Going through withdrawal pains in the USA after having lived near CP for 3.25 years. AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!
SE Asia Joe
04-11-08, 03:35
Which one are you; Tightwad, Cheapskate or Broke S.O.B.?
-CPE
Hey Tuan CPe - you forgot to add La! or Ya La! after all your sentences - la!
What matter you? Too much xiok? Not enuff Nasi rames?
SEAJ-LA!
SE Joe that's funny, i guess you agree with me that Singaporeans and other South east Asians are ruining the whole market over in CP huh? =)
But i never knew that CPe was a nasi goreng.
Hey Tuan CPe - you forgot to add La! or Ya La! after all your sentences - la!
What matter you? Too much xiok? Not enuff Nasi rames?
SEAJ-LA!
SE Asia Joe
04-11-08, 04:15
I have never had really good service from Swan Lake girls, which is why I don't pick girls from there anymore even though I agree that there are some nice looking ones there.
And it's more of a KTV that also functions as a BBS. Their KTV rates are 1-3-6 (or was it 1-3-7?) which is why they always try to charge more for a BBS ST. Confirm beforehand to avoid problems.
Wadman really makes a lot of sense!
This is probably THE reason..... that the gals at the Swan Lake BBS fancies themselves as being KTV gals instead of BBS ones.
What to do guys? I'd like to start something here to try to rein in this type of cancerous thought..... but the place is filled withy all these BSD/IMF's going "Liang-la" "So xiok-la" that no matter what we here do, its gonna be in vain and we're just gonna get ourselves all frustrated.
Hey CPe - perhaps you can stand guard at the door and stomp everyone coming in to adhere to OUR Pricing!! Yeah!! That'll work...... won't it??
Damn - RMB 200 at 1.06 was HK$188. Now its RMB250 at 0.89 or HK$280! Damn - add the HK$145x2 train ticket, RMB 20 Taxi R/T, RMB50 ST hotel, 30 refreshments/food - that's HK$670 anytime I go up to CP for a pop, RMB 950 for two
Add the 2.5 hour wasted on that train..... hmmmmm.....
Us Hong Kong week-end warriors are gonna ban/abandon CP totally!! That's the only solution. Let's see what happens to all 'em hi-fallutin' xiaojies! And the rest of you mongers who hates the HKG weekenders.
Hrmmmph.... that'll teach y'all!!
SEAJ
Fast Eddie 48
04-11-08, 04:22
Wadman really makes a lot of sense!
This is probably THE reason. That the gals at the Swan Lake BBS fancies themselves as being KTV gals instead of BBS ones.
What to do guys? I'd like to start something here to try to rein in this type of cancerous thought. But the place is filled withy all these BSD/IMF's going "Liang-la" "So xiok-la" that no matter what we here do, its gonna be in vain and we're just gonna get ourselves all frustrated.
Hey CPe. Perhaps you can stand guard at the door and stomp everyone coming in to adhere to OUR Pricing! Yeah! That'll work. Won't it?
Damn. RMB 200 at 1. 06 was HK$188. Now its RMB250 at 0. 89 or HK$280! Damn. Add the HK$145x2 train ticket, RMB 20 Taxi R/T, RMB50 ST hotel, 30 refreshments/food. That's HK$670 anytime I go up to CP for a pop, RMB 950 for two
Add the 2. 5 hour wasted on that train. Hmmmmm.
Us Hong Kong week-end warriors are gonna ban/abandon CP totally! That's the only solution. Let's see what happens to all 'them Hi-fallutin' xiaojies! And the rest of you mongers who hates the HKG weekenders.
Hrmmmph. That'll teach y'all!
SEAJSEA,
The last time I was at Swan Lake about 2 month ago, the hotel was being remodel.
They move it down the street in a Shack.
Same mommie.
Yes the mommie there are very pushy and the girl have bad attuide but the quality is the best in CP for bbs.
Sometime you do find a gem with good GFE.
Joe is right, many HK monger have been going to different place in Dongguan.
Many to other towns like CP.
Fast Eddie 48
Travel Dog
04-11-08, 04:26
I am in Chang An too, and I'm totally clueless on where to go. Walked down a street earlier and for the first time, nobody bothered to pull me asking me if I would like a girl.
Bored to death, here!
FHero and Nelf
Geez Guys, you must be newbees. I guess I haven't been doing my job if you can't find anything on China An, so I'll try to get you started. Like all of Dong Guan Chang An is an absolutely fantasic mongering location.You won't likely find any street girls except for late at night on the Main St (ChangQing Lu) in
front of the Park and Shop there are a few. You shouldn't pay more than 150RMb for short time.
I don't recommend KTV as a solo option. Go when someone invites you to go with them.
NightElf - If you are solo you are probably staying in a hotel. If you are alone and don't speak Chinese Suana a good option. All the major hotels have a Suana. You can just walk in to any of them. They all offer full service. Including the room charge would be between 400 and 1000 depending on the quality of the hotel. Ask the Suana Manager to tell you the total charge. When you are finished give that amount to the girl and leave. Any of these Chang An hotels will have this option. The Parkview Hotel, Chang An Hotel, Dong Hao Hotel, Haiyatt Hotel, HuaXi Hotel, ShaTou Hotel, Lotus Hotel. I'm sure there are more.
There are also many massage places offering foot massage, body massage, oil massage, boob massage and some have full service too. Prices from 40-50 an hour for foot massage. 150 to 250 for oil/boob massage. And 400 for everything. Places to go include Jin Long Dao, TaiPingYang, Kang Yi, FeiQuiWan, DongHao, Super 88 ( next to the Haiyatt), LongDaoHui, and Infinitude. These are all places offering extras.
If you are more adventurous, behind the Chang An Hospital is an area called JinXia. You can walk around this area and find the Barbershop girls in about 10 different shops. The shops look like barbershops except no one is cutting and washing hair and a bunch of girls are sitting around. As you walk by the mommies will call out to you. 130 RMB is the going rate for , 150 for take out.
Good luck and give us a report. PM me if you need more info.
TD
SE Asia Joe
04-11-08, 05:16
SEA,
The last time I was at Swan Lake about 2 month ago, the hotel was being remodel.
They move it down the street in a Shack.
Same mommie.
Yes the mommie there are very pushy and the girl have bad attuide but the quality is the best in CP for bbs.
Sometime you do find a gem with good GFE.
Joe is right, many HK monger have been going to different place in Dongguan.
Many to other towns like CP.
Fast Eddie 48
Actuallly....... they've moved it again - back to just next door of the Swan Lake hotel itself on the 2nd floor, and attached to their KTV.
Brand spanking new place w/four or 5 different "sections" each seating a particular Momma's gals. (there are different mommas/momma teams and each control their own bunch of gals).
And yes, they're all quite pushy (even one trying this "you gotta give me face and choose a gal from me this time" to which I replied "Why should I give YOU face.....?" coupled w/my fiercest expression!) and to the point that when I even approach the G/f entrance, I'd raise my arms and proclaim for NOBODY to accompany me as I certainly do not want any one mommie to limit my choice to their own set of gals.
Nowadays they're even worse than when they were in the shack!
SEAJ
Old Mean Dog
04-11-08, 06:43
It's called the Zhi Xing Hotel and is just down the road from the train station. Granted, it's not on the main strip, but it's only 5 minutes by taxi to it and probably a tad bit closer to the Yalan area going the back way.
Due to it being close to the train station, you can actually walk to it. It is located behind the new Vanguard Supermarket attached to the new office building. They are claiming to be a 4 star hotel and it looks really nice, new and clean inside. Rooms are 168 rmb right now, they have a Western restaurant called the Rhine on the 2nd floor with a good looking menu, large foot massage section, though I did not see anyone getting a footie. I think they have a sauna/spa there as well, I do not know if it is legit or FS though. in the next building over is the Vanguard, McDonald's, Chinese restaurant, and an SPR Coffee Shop. It is within walking distance of the Silvery Holiday Sauna and there are a couple of "Rub-n-Tugs" in the next complex over.
I don't have the phone #, but it is not difficult to find.
-CPE
OldAsiaHand
04-11-08, 15:21
Travel Dog,
Now, that is what I call a fantastic report! It has it all. If I knew how to post it on Reports of Distinction, I would do so. Can anybody help post it there?
Thanks.
OAH
FHero and Nelf
Geez Guys, you must be newbees. I guess I haven't been doing my job if you can't find anything on China An, so I'll try to get you started. Like all of Dong Guan Chang An is an absolutely fantasic mongering location.You won't likely find any street girls except for late at night on the Main St (ChangQing Lu) in
front of the Park and Shop there are a few. You shouldn't pay more than 150RMb for short time.
I don't recommend KTV as a solo option. Go when someone invites you to go with them.
NightElf - If you are solo you are probably staying in a hotel. If you are alone and don't speak Chinese Suana a good option. All the major hotels have a Suana. You can just walk in to any of them. They all offer full service. Including the room charge would be between 400 and 1000 depending on the quality of the hotel. Ask the Suana Manager to tell you the total charge. When you are finished give that amount to the girl and leave. Any of these Chang An hotels will have this option. The Parkview Hotel, Chang An Hotel, Dong Hao Hotel, Haiyatt Hotel, HuaXi Hotel, ShaTou Hotel, Lotus Hotel. I'm sure there are more.
There are also many massage places offering foot massage, body massage, oil massage, boob massage and some have full service too. Prices from 40-50 an hour for foot massage. 150 to 250 for oil/boob massage. And 400 for everything. Places to go include Jin Long Dao, TaiPingYang, Kang Yi, FeiQuiWan, DongHao, Super 88 ( next to the Haiyatt), LongDaoHui, and Infinitude. These are all places offering extras.
If you are more adventurous, behind the Chang An Hospital is an area called JinXia. You can walk around this area and find the Barbershop girls in about 10 different shops. The shops look like barbershops except no one is cutting and washing hair and a bunch of girls are sitting around. As you walk by the mommies will call out to you. 130 RMB is the going rate for , 150 for take out.
Good luck and give us a report. PM me if you need more info.
TD
To all bros out there, i am reporting this on behalf of my friend who experienced one of the worse events in CP to date. he doesn't have an account on ISG, but he asked me to post it up to warn other brothers out there.
Basically here is what happened to him. yesterday at around 4 pm, he decided to reserve a hotel room at a hotel behind Hui Mei, one of those 2 star hotel places. He went to the BBS behind Hui Mei area to check out the selections and ended up picking a Hubei girl.
He brought her back to his hotel room, and this girl wouldn't stop talking...after bringing her into his hotel room for more than 20 minutes, she was still yapping away about nonsense. My friend had to tell her to stop talking and start washing up to prepare for the deed. When she was washing up, it took her about 10 mins to finish taking a shower, which was ridiculously long. When it was time to start to do the deed, she put a towel over her face.
When my friend took the towel off her face, she would repeatedly put it back on her face, this towel putting and taking off lasted for a total o 4 rounds until my friend gave up and allowed her to put the towel over her face. Let me remind you, this all happened during the actually intercourse.
5 mins into the session, she suddenly stops my friend. and frantically pushes him away and starts going to the bathroom to take a shower. She said that she had to go back or else she will be locked out, that she's been in the room for too long and it's too late.
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My friend at this point is really pissed off, because he still has a hard-on that hasn't been taken care of yet and a girl who put a towel over her face while he was doing her. In addition, now she wants to take off without finishing the deed.
My friend at this point was pissed and told her to take a shower and leave and that he wasn't going to pay her for the bad service and not finishing and then leaving.
The girl leaves and is mad and pissed off. At this point, my friend gets kind of scared and he packs up his stuff to quickly check out the hotel, in case she comes back to cause trouble....while my friend exits the hotel, he is surrounded by a group of mommies and also a few GUYS! They demand that he pays the girl. My friend is mad and tells them he doesn't want to pay because she had bad service and didn't even finish and left the room. The mommie's response was "you still have to pay her she was in your room for about an hour"
Not wanting any trouble, and scared, he reluctantly pays the girl the 100RMB and the group of mommies and guys let him go.
he was really pissed and he wanted to report this to the board and tell everyone to be careful with the BBS behind Hui Mei, as they have bad service and you guys could potentially get into trouble with the girls and get caught in a similarly bad situation.
Let e remind you that my friend is chinese, speaks perfect mandarin and has been going to CP to monger for more than 4 years.
So just be careful, i'll post up the mommie's contact and girl once he finds the business card that he got.
careful guys, dont' get caught in the same situation. stick with Yalan area...the BBS behind hui mei is just so much dirtier and the talent has gone down substantially over the last 2 years.
AsnDragon
To all bros out there, i am reporting this on behalf of my friend who experienced one of the worse events in CP to date. he doesn't have an account on ISG, but he asked me to post it up to warn other brothers out there.
Basically here is what happened to him. yesterday at around 4 pm, he decided to reserve a hotel room at a hotel behind Hui Mei, one of those 2 star hotel places. He went to the BBS behind Hui Mei area to check out the selections and ended up picking a Hubei girl.
He brought her back to his hotel room, and this girl wouldn't stop talking...after bringing her into his hotel room for more than 20 minutes, she was still yapping away about nonsense. My friend had to tell her to stop talking and start washing up to prepare for the deed. When she was washing up, it took her about 10 mins to finish taking a shower, which was ridiculously long. When it was time to start to do the deed, she put a towel over her face.
When my friend took the towel off her face, she would repeatedly put it back on her face, this towel putting and taking off lasted for a total o 4 rounds until my friend gave up and allowed her to put the towel over her face. Let me remind you, this all happened during the actually intercourse.
5 mins into the session, she suddenly stops my friend. and frantically pushes him away and starts going to the bathroom to take a shower. She said that she had to go back or else she will be locked out, that she's been in the room for too long and it's too late.
My friend at this point is really pissed off, because he still has a hard-on that hasn't been taken care of yet and a girl who put a towel over her face while he was doing her. In addition, now she wants to take off without finishing the deed.
My friend at this point was pissed and told her to take a shower and leave and that he wasn't going to pay her for the bad service and not finishing and then leaving.
The girl leaves and is mad and pissed off. At this point, my friend gets kind of scared and he packs up his stuff to quickly check out the hotel, in case she comes back to cause trouble....while my friend exits the hotel, he is surrounded by a group of mommies and also a few GUYS! They demand that he pays the girl. My friend is mad and tells them he doesn't want to pay because she had bad service and didn't even finish and left the room. The mommie's response was "you still have to pay her she was in your room for about an hour"
Not wanting any trouble, and scared, he reluctantly pays the girl the 100RMB and the group of mommies and guys let him go.
he was really pissed and he wanted to report this to the board and tell everyone to be careful with the BBS behind Hui Mei, as they have bad service and you guys could potentially get into trouble with the girls and get caught in a similarly bad situation.
Let e remind you that my friend is chinese, speaks perfect mandarin and has been going to CP to monger for more than 4 years.
So just be careful, i'll post up the mommie's contact and girl once he finds the business card that he got.
careful guys, dont' get caught in the same situation. stick with Yalan area...the BBS behind hui mei is just so much dirtier and the talent has gone down substantially over the last 2 years.
AsnDragon
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Sea Joe,
Well, this doesn't solve much; however, there's a small way to decrease your expenses each trip. A little bit more troublesome, but I always do this routine to save some money.
Instead of taking Jiu Guang train from Hum Hom station, you could take the MTR (The old KCR line) up to Lou Hu which is one way $33 HKD, and if you have an octopus card, you get the fare for only $31. 3 HKD one way. Once you cross the border maze, you can then buy a ticket from Shenzhen to CP via the GuangShen rail line for only $50 RMB one way up to CP. So your travel total is $100 RMB times 1. 06= $106 HKD plus $62. 6 HKD = $168. 6 HKD which is equates to:
Your original $290 HKD. $169= $121 HKD savings each time you go up to CP to do a pop.
So imagine, if you went up to CP 2 times a week for one month, that is 8 times a month. 8 times $121 HKD= $968 HKD in savings a month, and $909. 2 RMB in savings a month on train expenditures.
Meaning if you change your route of transportation, you are able to fuck a Yalan girl for $200 a pop for 4. 5 times.
So I hope that I have solved your finances. Every penny counts and that's the Hong Kong mentality. I thank the Hong Kong Mongers, because without them to suppress the prices in CP from going up like crazy, CP would be too expensive. It's the Hong Kongers that bring down the prices and make the market low in pricing. I salute to them!
AsnDragon
Wadman really makes a lot of sense!
This is probably THE reason..... that the gals at the Swan Lake BBS fancies themselves as being KTV gals instead of BBS ones.
What to do guys? I'd like to start something here to try to rein in this type of cancerous thought..... but the place is filled withy all these BSD/IMF's going "Liang-la" "So xiok-la" that no matter what we here do, its gonna be in vain and we're just gonna get ourselves all frustrated.
Hey CPe - perhaps you can stand guard at the door and stomp everyone coming in to adhere to OUR Pricing!! Yeah!! That'll work...... won't it??
Damn - RMB 200 at 1.06 was HK$188. Now its RMB250 at 0.89 or HK$280! Damn - add the HK$145x2 train ticket, RMB 20 Taxi R/T, RMB50 ST hotel, 30 refreshments/food - that's HK$670 anytime I go up to CP for a pop, RMB 950 for two
Add the 2.5 hour wasted on that train..... hmmmmm.....
Us Hong Kong week-end warriors are gonna ban/abandon CP totally!! That's the only solution. Let's see what happens to all 'em hi-fallutin' xiaojies! And the rest of you mongers who hates the HKG weekenders.
Hrmmmph.... that'll teach y'all!!
SEAJ
OldAsiaHand
04-12-08, 04:42
My friend at this point was pissed and told her to take a shower and leave and that he wasn't going to pay her for the bad service and not finishing and then leaving.
Not wanting any trouble, and scared, he reluctantly pays the girl the 100RMB and the group of mommies and guys let him go.
careful guys, dont' get caught in the same situation. stick with Yalan area...the BBS behind hui mei is just so much dirtier and the talent has gone down substantially over the last 2 years.
AsnDragon,
As has been posted numerous times, unless you know the mamasan, very, very well and are a very regular customer, it is always best to pay the girl (assuming it is not a totally ridiculous amount) to avoid confrontation and chalk it up to bad luck. This is a perfect example. You cannot win in these situations. Just go find another girl to satisfy your needs.
Overall, I must say that I have had better service in Yalan, but not to say, I have not been lucky behind Hui Mei too. I usually only go there if it is late and Yalan is already shut and I am too lazy to go to the Night Market. I remember one particular time, when one girl from Hui Mei gave me a 45 minute BBBJCIM to get me to pop for the 3rd time that evening. A real champ.
Just my POV.
OAH
AsnDragon,
I fully agreed with OAH, not paying the girl even though the service was lousy can easily lead to dangerous situations. Basically as soon as she takes her clothes and showers with you, it gets tough not paying her. Your friend was lucky that he was outside in a public place when the confrontation took place.
Lots of WGs have boyfriends/pimps which they give money to, or at least need to "maintain".
I have switched rooms a few times after disputes with girls.
The girl leaves and is mad and pissed off. At this point, my friend gets kind of scared and he packs up his stuff to quickly check out the hotel, in case she comes back to cause trouble....while my friend exits the hotel, he is surrounded by a group of mommies and also a few GUYS! They demand that he pays the girl. My friend is mad and tells them he doesn't want to pay because she had bad service and didn't even finish and left the room. The mommie's response was "you still have to pay her she was in your room for about an hour"
Sea Joe,
Instead of taking Jiu Guang train from Hum Hom station, you could take the MTR (The old KCR line) up to Lou Hu which is one way $33 HKD, and if you have an octopus card, you get the fare for only $31. 3 HKD one way. Once you cross the border maze, you can then buy a ticket from Shenzhen to CP via the GuangShen rail line for only $50 RMB one way up to CP. So your travel total is $100 RMB times 1. 06= $106 HKD plus $62. 6 HKD = $168. 6 HKD which is equates to:
Your original $290 HKD. $169= $121 HKD savings each time you go up to CP to do a pop.
So imagine, if you went up to CP 2 times a week for one month, that is 8 times a month. 8 times $121 HKD= $968 HKD in savings a month, and $909. 2 RMB in savings a month on train expenditures.
Meaning if you change your route of transportation, you are able to fuck a Yalan girl for $200 a pop for 4. 5 times.
Hahaha, while SEA Joe does pay the correct prices to the xiao jies, he is far too much of a BSD to be going through all that trouble to save a few RMBs. He is a horny toad though. Did 2 BBS girls once in a 2 hour period just so he got his 50 RMB worth for the ST hotel.
So I hope that I have solved your finances. Every penny counts and that's the Hong Kong mentality. I thank the Hong Kong Mongers, because without them to suppress the prices in CP from going up like crazy, CP would be too expensive. It's the Hong Kongers that bring down the prices and make the market low in pricing. I salute to them!
AsnDragon
Agree. Those HKers are some tough negotiators. Which is one reason why they don't like laowais showing up in their P4P areas, because for 1 reason or another SOME laowais will overpay. Once saw a HK guy in DVD shop in CP spending more than half an hour selecting a large stack of DVDs. When he got to the cashier's desk they wouldn't give him a volume discount (or not enough of a discount anyway). The guy just put down the stack of DVDs and walked. Amazing! After spending all that time picking out his favourite movies.
Old Mean Dog
04-12-08, 16:18
When it was time to start to do the deed, she put a towel over her face.
When my friend took the towel off her face, she would repeatedly put it back on her face, this towel putting and taking off lasted for a total o 4 rounds until my friend gave up and allowed her to put the towel over her face. Let me remind you, this all happened during the actually intercourse.
AsnDragon
I just can't resist this, but maybe your friend isn't such a handsome looking fella and she had a difficult time looking at him?
Just kidding, and yeah it sounds like a shitty experience. Agree with others that he was wise enough to pay her anyway and chalk it up as a bad experience.
-CPE
Cxepat,
Haha, no he's not that bad looking. No brad pitt, but he's not that bad. Early 30's, no belly, athletic. Haha, I'm sorta still laughing about the towel thing though, it that were me, I would be hell of pissed off myself though.
Glad he paid and didn't get stabbed and left in some alley. Because in CP anything can happen and anything goes.
AsnDragon
I just can't resist this, but maybe your friend isn't such a handsome looking fella and she had a difficult time looking at him?
Just kidding, and yeah it sounds like a shitty experience. Agree with others that he was wise enough to pay her anyway and chalk it up as a bad experience.
-CPE
Football Hero
04-13-08, 05:21
That is a fantastic guide. I used it to get laid last night.
Kudos bro.
FHero and Nelf,
Geez Guys, you must be newbees. I guess I haven't been doing my job if you can't find anything on China An, so I'll try to get you started. Like all of Dong Guan Chang An is an absolutely fantasic mongering location.You won't likely find any street girls except for late at night on the Main St (ChangQing Lu) in front of the Park and Shop there are a few. You shouldn't pay more than 150RMb for short time.
I don't recommend KTV as a solo option. Go when someone invites you to go with them.
NightElf - If you are solo you are probably staying in a hotel. If you are alone and don't speak Chinese Suana a good option. All the major hotels have a Suana. You can just walk in to any of them. They all offer full service. Including the room charge would be between 400 and 1000 depending on the quality of the hotel. Ask the Suana Manager to tell you the total charge. When you are finished give that amount to the girl and leave. Any of these Chang An hotels will have this option. The Parkview Hotel, Chang An Hotel, Dong Hao Hotel, Haiyatt Hotel, HuaXi Hotel, ShaTou Hotel, Lotus Hotel. I'm sure there are more.
There are also many massage places offering foot massage, body massage, oil massage, boob massage and some have full service too. Prices from 40-50 an hour for foot massage. 150 to 250 for oil/boob massage. And 400 for everything. Places to go include Jin Long Dao, TaiPingYang, Kang Yi, FeiQuiWan, DongHao, Super 88 ( next to the Haiyatt), LongDaoHui, and Infinitude. These are all places offering extras.
If you are more adventurous, behind the Chang An Hospital is an area called JinXia. You can walk around this area and find the Barbershop girls in about 10 different shops. The shops look like barbershops except no one is cutting and washing hair and a bunch of girls are sitting around. As you walk by the mommies will call out to you. 130 RMB is the going rate for , 150 for take out.
Good luck and give us a report. PM me if you need more info.
TD
Hi TD,
Thanks for the guide, should have consulted it earlier before I went to that disastrous journey on the weekend. Owning to being a total newbee in this part of the world, made the mistake of calling the Parkview in-house massage thing, quoted 100 for 110 minutes, so agreed.
The massauer was ok in looks dept. Perhaps a 7. But unfortunately no hanky panky and evaded all subtle hints for extra service. And then got to the point that if I want additional services should go for a sauna or something. Looks like the massage house (which supposedly also have footie massage) is completely clean and boring.
Anyway stomach protested at the frequent intake of rich Chinese food and went completely upset over the weekend. Hopefully can recover enough for some proper mongering, release some excess protein and produce a report. Which establishment would you rate as not-to-be-missed?
FHero and Nelf
Geez Guys, you must be newbees. I guess I haven't been doing my job if you can't find anything on China An, so I'll try to get you started. Like all of Dong Guan Chang An is an absolutely fantasic mongering location.You won't likely find any street girls except for late at night on the Main St (ChangQing Lu) in
front of the Park and Shop there are a few. You shouldn't pay more than 150RMb for short time.
I don't recommend KTV as a solo option. Go when someone invites you to go with them.
NightElf - If you are solo you are probably staying in a hotel. If you are alone and don't speak Chinese Suana a good option. All the major hotels have a Suana. You can just walk in to any of them. They all offer full service. Including the room charge would be between 400 and 1000 depending on the quality of the hotel. Ask the Suana Manager to tell you the total charge. When you are finished give that amount to the girl and leave. Any of these Chang An hotels will have this option. The Parkview Hotel, Chang An Hotel, Dong Hao Hotel, Haiyatt Hotel, HuaXi Hotel, ShaTou Hotel, Lotus Hotel. I'm sure there are more.
There are also many massage places offering foot massage, body massage, oil massage, boob massage and some have full service too. Prices from 40-50 an hour for foot massage. 150 to 250 for oil/boob massage. And 400 for everything. Places to go include Jin Long Dao, TaiPingYang, Kang Yi, FeiQuiWan, DongHao, Super 88 ( next to the Haiyatt), LongDaoHui, and Infinitude. These are all places offering extras.
If you are more adventurous, behind the Chang An Hospital is an area called JinXia. You can walk around this area and find the Barbershop girls in about 10 different shops. The shops look like barbershops except no one is cutting and washing hair and a bunch of girls are sitting around. As you walk by the mommies will call out to you. 130 RMB is the going rate for , 150 for take out.
Good luck and give us a report. PM me if you need more info.
TD
Nobody Doe
04-13-08, 11:28
Much appreciated to all the forum brothers who helped me out in Chang Ping and Shenzhen, such as ABCinLA, Wadman, Badboy27, tightway, Dan Hawaii, etc. I am sorry if I missed out anyone's name here, as there were so many of you helped me in CP and SZ.
On the first day of my arrival of CP (Apr 15), I met ABCinLA in Lucky Hotel. He was very kind to tour me around the interesting BBS. Then we met tightway, who is also a terrific guy, and he speaks good Chinese (I am with my classmate who's also from Taiwan but he can't speak much English, however tightway could still communicate with my classmate very well.) I was not very interested in the BBS girls, but it's really fun to watch the girls (some were a little bit cute but I just didn't feel like to do them) and the mamasans pushing the girls to us.
Then we regrouped back at Lucky Hotel to meet Wadman and Badboy27. My classmate can talk with Wadman even better. I was very interested in the sauna scenes as I have been to Chang An saunas the day before I arrived in CP. Much appreciated to all these bros who is willing to go to the sauna with me and offered their comments of these girls. We went to Virgin and Hui Hua saunas. I was told Virgin should have the best girls, but the drawback was they only showed you 2-3 girls line-up at one time, so it would take a long time to find the girls you like. The Virgin sauna girls also have different type of dressing, such as nurse dress, office lady dress, etc.
Then we moved on to Hui Hua sauna. Hui Hua has a larger line-up of girls each time they went into the room for you to choose. Hui Hua has 400RMB and 500RMB category girls. After a few 400RMB-only line-up, we asked to see 500RMB-type line-up. When I met one or two girls I like from the 500RMB line-up, it's already 6PM, and we need to move on to KTV, no time for sauna. So I re-visited CP yesterday to get into Hui Hua to do one of the 500RMB sauna girls. The service was good and the sex was even better, as both of us cum multiple times. She has a sweet smile and big tits. The only drawback was her skin is not milky white, but a little bit darker. Her number is 79.
Then back to the KTV. It took us a while to discuss which KTV to go (Royal Garden, Crown Prince, Houjie Sheraton, and the local CP ones such as JieYi, etc.) Then we decided to go to Royal Garden, where it's actually not in CP but in a nearby town, about 25 min. cab ride from CP. It turned out the Royal Garden girls were not that good, as the 500RMB-tips girls were just taller but the faces and body / tits were just okay. Then bad thing happened as my boss called me to ask me to go back to our hotel at Shenzhen (actually that hotel is 40 min. away from Shenzhen downtown!) for a meeting, so I could not take the girl out (I didn't want my boss and coworkers saw my KTV girl.) I heard Badboy27 took his girl (who can speak some English) out and my classmate also did.
The next few days after I got back to Shenzhen was not very interesting. Wadman suggested a few sauna (and thank you), but I still had no luck to find them as my hotel is really way too far away from downtown. To make a long story short, I paid a lot more to have some girls in SZ.
On Friday Apr 11, my another friend traveled from Taiwan to Shenzhen, then he took me to Xiachuan 下川 for sauna. Unfortunately the sauna was really not exciting, comparing to CP and CA (Chang An). The girl I picked was pretty with big tits, but her service attitude was not good. She refused me to kiss her nipples. :( Also the service content of Xiachuan sauna is very few comparing to CP and CA.
Then on the last night Apr 12 of my biz trip, I re-visited CP again. First stop was Hui Hua sauna which I already mentioned above. The next stop was JiaYi KTV. I still remember my first time visiting Dongguan in year 2001, and that KTV in Houjie has so many of girls. JiaYi was just like that. The girl I took out said it's her first day working in KTV, but she had a few "part-time" experiences as "working girls" in some of the disco clubs at Shenzhen. The sex with her was also good, but the bad thing was she made up an excuse to leave early in the next morning without the 2nd sex.
Now I am in Beijing, where I work and live here for more than 2 years. I will miss Dongguan very much. Although BJ may have some more beautiful girls, the whole soon-to-come big police raids/crackdown for Olympic Games really worry people a lot, and also the price is very high for classy girls.
Thank you again for all of the forum bros help. Please PM me if you come to Beijing and I will try my best to tour you as well.
Cheers,
Taiwan Guy
Xiachuan 下川 for sauna.
The girl I picked was pretty with big tits, but her service attitude was not good. She refused me to kiss her nipples. :(
Cheers,
Taiwan Guy
Damn! How bad can the service get? If you cannot kiss her tits then they have no function, they are only ornaments. Merely decorative. Why does she have them if we cannot use them? Maybe they were sore from previous suckings? We all like sucking on big hooters.
My friend and I stayed at Nile Villa hotel (close to the Dong Guan bus station) for the last two nights and we had a chance to visit the Sauna and KTV.
The sauna is located on the 6th floor and closes at 2am. I arrived in my shorts and slippers and they showed me to a room on the 5th floor. 3 girls arrived and I picked one. I didn't know you could reject them and see another 3. Supposedly 100 girls available and it is quite busy here. This was my first Sauna experience in China and it was a very pleasant one but probably nothing you guys haven't seen before if you've done the Sauna scene in China. The damage was 208 for the room and 400 for the girl for a total of 608RMB for 2 hrs.
The following night, we checked out the KTV on the 2nd floor. The 3rd floor also offers KTV with better decorated rooms but 2nd floor was just fine for us. It was so busy at 11:30pm that we had to wait a few mins for a 'small' room. It was just my buddy and I. We are both fluent mandarin speakers so language was never an issue. We were only able to see about 7 girls and the structure was 2-5-8 and 3-8-12. Charge for the room was 480 which included drinks up to that amount.
Because we were walk-ins, several of the managers introduced themselves to us and had a couple of drinks and got their business cards. Following them were more mommy assistants with more business cards. They sat with us and entertained us. This KTV seems to be very business oriented in that it probably receives a good number of local businessmen entertaining clients and they thought we were businessmen. It has several floors of indoor parking in addition to out door parking and was pretty much full. Total damage for the night was around 2.6k RMB for 2 including take out and an extra room at the hotel.
By my standards, the price we paid was worth the experience and knowledge of how KTV works in Southern China for a possible 2nd trip in the future, however it was probably costly compared to KTVs frequented by the well traveled mongers in the area.
It turned out the Royal Garden girls were not that good, as the 500RMB-tips girls were just taller but the faces and body
I thought the same thing. The selection was mediocre but the rooms at Royal Garden are quite nice.
Couple days later I, Wadman, Moody et al went to the KTV at the Good View hotel. I thought the girls were more beautiful there and the number of girls was also larger. This is just my opinion and I am sure others may have different taste. I also know that on different days KTVs may have different girls. Good View also has large bar area with stage where they have live shows. So if you are by yourself, Good View may be a good place to go.
SE Asia Joe
04-14-08, 03:00
Hahaha, while SEA Joe does pay the correct prices to the xiao jies, he is far too much of a BSD to be going through all that trouble to save a few RMBs. He is a horny toad though. Did 2 BBS girls once in a 2 hour period just so he got his 50 RMB worth for the ST hotel.
Agree. Those HKers are some tough negotiators. Which is one reason why they don't like laowais showing up in their P4P areas, because for 1 reason or another SOME laowais will overpay. Once saw a HK guy in DVD shop in CP spending more than half an hour selecting a large stack of DVDs. When he got to the cashier's desk they wouldn't give him a volume discount (or not enough of a discount anyway). The guy just put down the stack of DVDs and walked. Amazing! After spending all that time picking out his favourite movies.
the thing that got me was the fact that they charge RMB50 for 2 hours but insist on RMB80 for three!! Ridiculous I say - but rather than arguing about it, I just worked within the system!
And that is what we HKG guys do - after all, prior to 1997, we had been living "In a borrowed place, on borrowed time." We make do with what we've got.
SEAJ
Chinanewbie
04-14-08, 03:44
I recently visited China the first time and especially Chang Ping. Like everybody else who reported here, I stayed at the Miraton. Breakfast was ok but lacking the second free meal ticket for a girl I pick LT.
I found a short sweet little thing on the 2nd floor restaurant across from the Yalan Hotel. Her name was LeiLei. Great skill in the BBBJ area and I almost came in her mouth. But I held it in till the last possible second.
I tried the 5th floor shop and thought the selection was not as good as the 2nd floor. The mommies were there pushy.
I tried looking for the famous baby shop but got lost. It's not that easy to find. You guys have to give more details.
I paid 100 yuan to the moms and 100 yuan to the gal when I was done. I gave an extra 15 yuan for the gal for the ride back to their shops. For LT, I paid 100 and 400 yuan.
Thanks for the great info on getting to Chang Ping from the Guangzhou East station. This forum rocks.
CB
Jim Traveller
04-14-08, 04:32
Hey dudes:
Anyone around wanting to hook up for KTVs? I am a native speaker familiar with all CP KTVs. In CP now and will stay to 4/23. Anyone interested please PM me.
Cheers,
Jim T.
Travel Dog
04-14-08, 08:29
NightElf
The Parkview is a real nice hotel, especially if you've got little or no Chinese. You can go to the Suana there but ask the consierge to show you how to get there because it is hidden around back. It is probably the most expensive in town, should be 1000 plus, and they won't let you take a girl back to your room. If you are staying at the Parkview you should get a discount on the Suana room if you ask. But the girls are beautiful and you should be able to speak some English.
Don't go to the Parkview Foot massage (across the street from the side entrance) if you want anything extra. Great decorations and they have HBO and CNN on TV but your unlikely to get anything extra unless you have a real good game and speak Chinese.
Within a close walk from you, you could try the Kang Yi "Kahng Yee" massage. The sign is in Chinese. To the left of the Parkview foot massage is a small convenience store with an "M" logo almost like McDonald's. Just to the left of the store is a short alley. Walk to the end of the alley go left and you'll see two girls on your right in long dresses at an open door. Go there and say you want a massage. They don't speak English so you will have to say you want a massage ("Ahn More" in Chinese). They will take you to the third floor. I think it should be 350RMB more or less for everything. Tell them you want a room with a shower. Or for less you can have no private shower and 188 RMB for a for a romantic massage with happy ending. No need to tip more than the agreed to price. Have them write down how much so you can agree.
Neither of these is the greatest bargain or service but both are good and easy for you to handle. Look at my previous report if you want other options.
Look forward to your report
TD
Hi TD,
Thanks for the guide, should have consulted it earlier before I went to that disastrous journey on the weekend. Owning to being a total newbee in this part of the world, made the mistake of calling the Parkview in-house massage thing, quoted 100 for 110 minutes, so agreed.
The massauer was ok in looks dept. Perhaps a 7. But unfortunately no hanky panky and evaded all subtle hints for extra service. And then got to the point that if I want additional services should go for a sauna or something. Looks like the massage house (which supposedly also have footie massage) is completely clean and boring.
Anyway stomach protested at the frequent intake of rich Chinese food and went completely upset over the weekend. Hopefully can recover enough for some proper mongering, release some excess protein and produce a report. Which establishment would you rate as not-to-be-missed?
Superforce99
04-14-08, 08:51
So I hope that I have solved your finances. Every penny counts and that's the Hong Kong mentality. I thank the Hong Kong Mongers, because without them to suppress the prices in CP from going up like crazy, CP would be too expensive. It's the Hong Kongers that bring down the prices and make the market low in pricing. I salute to them!
AsnDragon
I thank them, too, because not only do they control prices, CP wouldn't exist without them. To build an industrial area to make their products and ofcourse the girls/entertainment that goes along with it, and then a fucking railroad system connecting them to "Man Disneyland"....that is totally badass.
SF99
Got together with old timers AG, M and W (ISG alias of these senior members not disclosed for privacy) to very interesting KTV in Chang An Sun night. Lot better than Tangxia's Good View KTV M and I went on Sat night.
Girls with numbers on the left side takes their clothes off and right side do not. AG, M and W picked 2 girls each with of course left side numbers and girl I picked didn't make it to the room so I picked 1 cutie who looked like she was having a bad day.
All girls were given a little plastic bag to put bra and undie and somehow all 7 squeezed into the bathroom to take their underwear off.
One of W's date was slutty and nasty looking and center of gropings.. Bunch of girls pulled down his bottom too.
Chief Mommy walked in, lights dim and disco tune came on and YEAH girls took their clothes off. Oh yeah. Time for groping big time. I fingered Wadman's slutty date couple of times and she thought it was Wadman's fingers. LOL
We're given 1 freebie ST room and I took my date. Had a BAD lay the night before from take out girl in Seibu Sat night so didn't expect much BUT she was incredible...
She was a NYMPH and haven't had a lay like that in years. She put porn star to shame and no she wasn't acting (OK guys I know, OK?). I'd say it was my top 5 lay I've ever had... She kissed french and stuck her tongue out for licking me and tongue teasing. She had "musty" odor... She didn't want me to gown on her but let me after pumping for 30 mins and she just couldn't get enough! I tried porn moves excpet anal and she was so damn into it. She just could not get enough! She got me going for 50 mins and I jerked off while she was riding my tongue as I had to get back to the KTV room. I told her I want her as my 2nd wife in my broken Chinese... Been thinking about her all day. Damn, in Seoul now for few days on my way home but I wanna go back to Chang An!
Rare indeed and totally didn't expect it!
PS - Boys no PM or hassling for her numbers 'cos she's mine (except 3 others who partied together last night) :)
Thanks for the great info. I do speak a little Chinese but my enounciation is so bad that when I hoped on the taxi today I have to say it a few times before the driver caught on that I want to be taken to LongJinTao (? spelling). The building doesn't look particularly striking on the outside, those ladies waiting at the door are ok, but once inside the line up was great.
Have not experienced this sauna business before, so have to speak slowly and repeatedly to be understood, but did manage to get the lineup and pick one. Can't really tell the difference between the 400/500/600 gals except the height, picked a 500 rmb one and got a private room.
The service was excellent, it was all slow and not rushed, but she speaks no English at all. Can't remember the gal's number but there are so many of them ... At one point she took out one thing with many balls on it and I think she meant to stick it in the backdoor - MY backdoor - but thankfully managed to convey the message that I'm really not into that sort of thing ... Anyhow is that a popular fetish among guys here?
By the way the taxi passed by this huge, palatial looking called Infinitute (institute?) or something on the way there and the taxi driver did ask if I want to get down there as he say it is better, "better pretty girls", but I insisted to try out longjintao instead. Is the quality of the girls there really better? There seems to be a lot of very posh cars around, but have to wait until next trip here (if theres indeed one) to try.
Thanks for the great info - wish I have more time in order to try out the other places that you have recommended earlier or indeed the one nearby.
NightElf
The Parkview is a real nice hotel, especially if you've got little or no Chinese. You can go to the Suana there but ask the consierge to show you how to get there because it is hidden around back. It is probably the most expensive in town, should be 1000 plus, and they won't let you take a girl back to your room. If you are staying at the Parkview you should get a discount on the Suana room if you ask. But the girls are beautiful and you should be able to speak some English.
Don't go to the Parkview Foot massage (across the street from the side entrance) if you want anything extra. Great decorations and they have HBO and CNN on TV but your unlikely to get anything extra unless you have a real good game and speak Chinese.
Within a close walk from you, you could try the Kang Yi "Kahng Yee" massage. The sign is in Chinese. To the left of the Parkview foot massage is a small convenience store with an "M" logo almost like McDonald's. Just to the left of the store is a short alley. Walk to the end of the alley go left and you'll see two girls on your right in long dresses at an open door. Go there and say you want a massage. They don't speak English so you will have to say you want a massage ("Ahn More" in Chinese). They will take you to the third floor. I think it should be 350RMB more or less for everything. Tell them you want a room with a shower. Or for less you can have no private shower and 188 RMB for a for a romantic massage with happy ending. No need to tip more than the agreed to price. Have them write down how much so you can agree.
Neither of these is the greatest bargain or service but both are good and easy for you to handle. Look at my previous report if you want other options.
Look forward to your report
TD
Hey guys,
I will have my first night in CP on Tuesday (peninsula). I have read a lot of the scene but it is allways better to monger with ISG members who know the place.
Any mongers staying in Changping at 15. 04. 2008 and like to hookup?
Any actual hints are welcome
Stay tuned.
Escada
SE Asia Joe
04-15-08, 04:01
Got together with old timers AG, M and W (ISG alias of these senior members not disclosed for privacy) to very interesting KTV in Chang An Sun night. Lot better than Tangxia's Good View KTV M and I went on Sat night.
PS - Boys no PM or hassling for her numbers 'cos she's mine (except 3 others who partied together last night) :)
Could've...should've...damn damn damn!
Howzabout just favoring us with a few details of the place - which one/where exactly, how much, prime time etc. The place's/momma's fone number would also be nice!
You cain't leave us all hanging like this..... it'd be criminal!!
SEAJ
SEAJ,
"Naked" KTV is Star of Star Hitel in Chang An (towards Humen). They plaster the KTV entrance with girls modeling flight attendant uniforms. I understand the rates are typical DG 500 ST and 800 LT. Not a high end joint as room rate for overnight is only 60.
Cheers
Could've...should've...damn damn damn!
Howzabout just favoring us with a few details of the place - which one/where exactly, how much, prime time etc. The place's/momma's fone number would also be nice!
You cain't leave us all hanging like this..... it'd be criminal!!
SEAJ
Mian Bao Shi Fu
04-15-08, 10:57
Hi Escada,
tried to send you a PM but as it seems you can not receive any. I am also at the Peninsula tonight but I have no idea what is going on there. Will arrive between 7.00pm and 7.30pm. Give me a message when you are interested.
MBSF
Hi, this is my first report in isg. Though been many times to guangzhou, it was my first visit to changping because of many reports I read here. I was on a very tight business shedule in gz. I got free from my meeting at around 8 pm at xingtang, a small industrial town between gz & dongguan. Again in the morning I was to attend some meeting in gz. So at 8 pm from xingtang I decided to go to changping, spend the night there & back to gz in the morning. So I took a bus to dongguan & than hired a cab to cp.
Straightway I opt for hui hua. But surprised to know that they were full & all the rooms & girls were busy. It was hongkong national holiday & they have so many visiters from hk. Than I met this guy from hk. His name is sunny & he was here on fun holiday. He was very familiar with the place, girls, & managers. This guy really helped me. He talked with a manager & she told me that I can come back after 1 am & take the girl of my choice to some other hotel near buy. I agreed & than I spent some time having dinner & visiting some bars etc.
I came back ther at around 1. 30 am. The manager showed a lineup of girls & I selected a tall, slim & very sexy one for 4. Ther were two more guys from hk, who selected 2 girls. Than the hotel van took all six of us to a nearby hotel, where we got very good rooms for 200 a night. The room have attached steam/shower portions. There the girl gave me excellent service. She was so cooperative. I got everything I read in these forums. She left around 7 in the morning. I slept few hours, took the train & reached gz at right time. I will be back in guangzhou in mid may & will not miss Dongguan too.
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on a recent business trip to china i was lucky enough to set aside 4 days for a mongering trip. from the report i had read here and other boards it was obvious that the place to monger in china at the moment is changping, so that’s where i went. for cp experts there is nothing new in this report so you may want to stop reading now rather than curse me at the end.
as a newbie to the cp scene, i jumped at the kind offer made by sejoe to show me around the place. alas due to my stupidity this never happened – again thanks for the offer joe and i hope to take you up on it in the future.
rather than write a long boring report of which girl i picked up where i think it much better if i highlight the key areas which a newbie would find useful
getting there
i travelled by private taxi from zhongshan which took 2 hours and cost me rmb400. there is however a very reliable and easy to navigate train network which can get you there in 20 mins from shenzhen or about 40 mins from guangzhou
i also booked a taxi (via the hotel) to take me to guangzhou airport. the journey took 2 hours (without traffic) and again cost rmb400
hotels
unless you are a real picky mother then i reckon almost any hotel in cp is ok. compared to some of the dives you find in guangzhou, cp hotels are in a different league. i stayed in the miraton and booked via the internet. i also checked out the rooms in the walter and virgin and thought they were ok and around 25% cheaper than the miraton. next time i will try the walter
bbs
even if you are stevie wonder with no legs, or arms you still would have no problem finding a girl in this city. reports of mamasans dragging you to their shops are absolutely true! some reports mentioned an intimidating atmosphere in these places. i disagree, sure there is hard sell, but it is always done with a smile. i walked out of many shops without biting, and was still welcomed into them the following day.
city size
cp is small and lends itself beautifully to our hobby. all important landmarks are within a 10 minute cab ride away.
saunas/karaoke
sorry fellas i did not partake as i simply did not have enough time
girls
well what can i say? they all have pink nipples! for those of you that don’t know what i’m talking about, for some reason most mamasans once they drag you into their shop will pull out the girls tits and yell ‘look pink nipple, welly welly good!’ it is completely hilarious and never failed to have me in stitches
onto the girls, well they are young (thankfully of legal age) and in most instances only been in town a few months. i have mongered in all the asian hotspots and i have to say that in terms of looks some of these girls have few peers. you will find most bbs will have at least 2-3 hotties. a real bonus is that almost all the girls have flawless skin with hardly any moles. to give you an idea when i go to angeles (phills) i often end up sleeping alone cos i can’t find someone appealing enough, that never happened in cp
girls attitude
this is a toughie, as i have zero grasp of the language it was hard to connect with the girls and because of that i did not have as good a time as i know i could have. all the girls apart from one wanted to stay the night. of the 5 girls i had only 3 gave bbbj, i reckon if i had pushed it the other 2 would have also, but that’s not my style. none of the girls refused any requests or rescinded on given promises – a definite plus in my book.
gfe
mmh again a toughie, but on the whole i would have to say that if you speak the language then it is definitely on the cards and even if you don’t but manage to pick the right girl you will still be in for a wild night.
would i go again
for me this is the ultimate barometer for a mongering destination. over the years i have been spoilt rotten by mongering in many exotic locations and i have now reached a stage where it is not just about the sex. i like to mix my mongering with a bit of r&r and so tend to head to costal locations. for that reason i would not go to cp just for a mongering holiday, however, if i happen to be in china for business, then i will spit blood in an effort to return to cp
shopping
there are tons of shops around the miraton hotel and the whole road up from the virgin hotel is lined with shops. if you carry on walking down from the virgin hotel you will come to a crossroads with a large hotel on your left. if you turn right and walk about 100m you will come to a large clothes market on your left.
there are loads of really good dvd/cd shops rep001tered throughout the city that have high quality copies of all the latest films and tv box sets at a fraction of the cost back home. a double hdcd for rmb10 and a dvd’s starting at rmb5
i will load a few pics of some of the girls i had. disappointingly though, the really good looking ones refused to have their photos taken!
Nobody Doe
04-16-08, 01:44
First of all, I am sorry but I typed the wrong location name of the Shenzhen sauna. It should be in Xiasha 下沙, not Xiachuan 下川. Xiachuan Island 下川島 is a name of a small island, which is used to be a mongering hot place in the past, but I am not sure if it's still popular / fun now.
I did try to kiss her tits, and she pushed back, then I tried again...so I had a few kissing. She said she was feeling hurt as I had been inside for too long, then I said I need to kiss her tits to cum, so she let me to kiss her tits in the last several minutes of the endgame....
The excuse was she was afraid kissing tits will make the color darker, which I believe has no medical evidence (please correct me if I was wrong.) She said no customers like me pushing so hard to kiss her tits, as most customers just stopped.
The other thing is I had a chat with another KTV girl in CP, and she said working girls usually feel disgusting when customers want to kiss the lips or tits. I told her (in Chinese) that we as customers are looking for buying GFE and kissing is key to GFE.
Perhaps GFE is not easy in Dongguan and Shenzhen?
I will try to post more details in Shenzhen board. I already wrote something in the Beijing forum:
Cheers,
Taiwan Guy
Damn! How bad can the service get? If you cannot kiss her tits then they have no function, they are only ornaments. Merely decorative. Why does she have them if we cannot use them? Maybe they were sore from previous suckings? We all like sucking on big hooters.
Nobody Doe
04-16-08, 01:48
I am sorry but the location name of the SZ sauna below should be in Xiasha 下沙, not Xiachuan 下川. Sorry for the mistake. I confused with the other mongering hot place called Xiachuan Island 下川島....
On Friday Apr 11, my another friend traveled from Taiwan to Shenzhen, then he took me to Xiachuan 下川 for sauna. Unfortunately the sauna was really not exciting, comparing to CP and CA (Chang An). The girl I picked was pretty with big tits, but her service attitude was not good. She refused me to kiss her nipples. :( Also the service content of Xiachuan sauna is very few comparing to CP and CA.
Cheers,
Taiwan Guy
Nobody Doe
04-16-08, 01:57
I was told by the manager of a Chang An sauna, that if we paid the their girls for LT, then the girls should no leave until 10AM. Perhaps Hui Hua in CP is different, or perhaps you need to leave early to catch up your meeting in another town (I also did the same thing when I got a cab at 1AM from SZ Daimesha 大梅沙 to Chang An, then get back at 6AM from Chang An to SZ Daimesha in order to get to the 8AM meeting. Daimesha is 1 hour away from SZ downtown)
Hi, this is my first report in isg. Though been many times to guangzhou, it was my first visit to changping because of many reports I read here. I was on a very tight business shedule in gz. I got free from my meeting at around 8 pm at xingtang, a small industrial town between gz & dongguan. Again in the morning I was to attend some meeting in gz. So at 8 pm from xingtang I decided to go to changping, spend the night there & back to gz in the morning. So I took a bus to dongguan & than hired a cab to cp.
Straightway I opt for hui hua. But surprised to know that they were full & all the rooms & girls were busy. It was hongkong national holiday & they have so many visiters from hk. Than I met this guy from hk. His name is sunny & he was here on fun holiday. He was very familiar with the place, girls, & managers. This guy really helped me. He talked with a manager & she told me that I can come back after 1 am & take the girl of my choice to some other hotel near buy. I agreed & than I spent some time having dinner & visiting some bars etc.
I came back ther at around 1. 30 am. The manager showed a lineup of girls & I selected a tall, slim & very sexy one for 4. Ther were two more guys from hk, who selected 2 girls. Than the hotel van took all six of us to a nearby hotel, where we got very good rooms for 200 a night. The room have attached steam/shower portions. There the girl gave me excellent service. She was so cooperative. I got everything I read in these forums. She left around 7 in the morning. I slept few hours, took the train & reached gz at right time. I will be back in guangzhou in mid may & will not miss Dongguan too.
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SE Asia Joe
04-16-08, 06:18
I also did the same thing when I got a cab at 1AM from SZ Daimesha 大梅沙 to Chang An, then get back at 6AM from Chang An to SZ Daimesha in order to get to the 8AM meeting. Daimesha is 1 hour away from SZ downtown)
Damn Taiwan guy - you were NOT in the middle of boondocks away from all action as you had written earlier.
You were in Daimeisha which is only 10 minutes away from Shataujiao where you could have gotten any number of gals at the various priced KTV's (WuTongShan 2-5-8, Hai Shan 1-4-7 etc) or the many BBS's close to the HKG border, saunas, and even the RMB38 Hand job gals below the STJ hotel.
15 minutes away is GwaiChong and 20 is Dapeng - again a variety of saunas, KTV's, BBS etc - the full smorgasbord.
SEAJ
Can anyone help a brother out with the translation on this Foot Massage place card. Not sure if only legit, though had 'ball massage' last trip.
This isn't in DG but since I post here and figure a translation might help others in massage places.
I couldn't get them to decipher the card. Can anyone help?
Also for the Miraton does anyone have their card translated - I know they have a menu 1 and menu 2 but don' know what they are.
thanks in advance...
--fp
Canton fair is ruining the CP environment. Even places like Swan lake is increasing their hotel fees and such. In addition, at night time, Baby's shop moves over to second floor yalan KTV, so that they will be more low key, as CP authorities want the whole BBS to less apparent.
Miraton will raise prices as well, so even though canton fair won't completely affect CP, it sort of does to a certain degree. The next 2 weeks will not be fun, especially with May 1st coming up as well, lots of HKers coming up for vacation.
CP will be packed!
Some of my mongering buddies are taking a break these few weeks.
I was told by the manager of a Chang An sauna, that if we paid the their girls for LT, then the girls should no leave until 10AM. Perhaps Hui Hua in CP is different, or perhaps you need to leave early to catch up your meeting in another town (I also did the same thing when I got a cab at 1AM from SZ Daimesha 大梅沙 to Chang An, then get back at 6AM from Chang An to SZ Daimesha in order to get to the 8AM meeting. Daimesha is 1 hour away from SZ downtown)Dear Taiwan Guy,
You are right here. Because I have to catch the train at around 10 am, I was myself not intrested to hold her. Also please give some details about the bbs shops there as I will visit CP again in May. Also if any bro have some exp. About Haido Internaitonal Sauna, which I saw on the main road in Dongguan while taking a cab to CP.
Thanks
FreakPeaks,
On the card that you scanned in, there are 3 sections. Each section has a blue heading.
Section 1: various foot massage options
50 rmb/90 minutes for a standard Chinese style foot massage.
Section 2: body massages
Thai style body massage = 100 rmb/120 minutes
"2 star boost the moon" massage (not sure what this is, may HJ) = 200 rmb/60 minutes
Chinese medical massage = proper, hard massage, no extras = 120 rmb/90 minutes
Section 3: bathing options
herbal bath = 120 rmb/90 minutes
emperor's bath = 160 rmb/90 minutes
If this is a high-end upscale place, judging by the prices, I don't think you will get anything extra for the stated price. If you tip extra, it's a different story of course.
If this is a low end place, some of the higher-priced items may include a HJ.
Can anyone help a brother out with the translation on this Foot Massage place card. Not sure if only legit, though had 'ball massage' last trip.
This isn't in DG but since I post here and figure a translation might help others in massage places.
I couldn't get them to decipher the card. Can anyone help?
Also for the Miraton does anyone have their card translated - I know they have a menu 1 and menu 2 but don' know what they are.
thanks in advance...
--fp
OldAsiaHand
04-16-08, 14:54
Prince2:
"Pink Color!" This is one of the few words of English the mamas know besides, "Good Serviceeee! and "Welly, Welly Goodah!". It is one of my favorite parts of mongering in CP. It still cracks me up after all these years and I never stop egging them on.
If the mama avoids showing you the tits, it means no, "Pink Color".
OAH
[QUOTE=Prince2]
Well what can I say? They all have pink nipples! For those of you that don’t know what I’m talking about, for some reason most mamasans once they drag you into their shop will pull out the girls tits and yell ‘look pink nipple, welly welly good!’ It is completely hilarious and never failed to have me in stitches[QUOTE]
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]Prince2:
"Pink Color!" This is one of the few words of English the mamas know besides, "Good Serviceeee! and "Welly, Welly Goodah!". It is one of my favorite parts of mongering in CP. It still cracks me up after all these years and I never stop egging them on.
If the mama avoids showing you the tits, it means no, "Pink Color".
Yeah it had me in stiches all the time! I was pleasantly surprised at the atmosphere in the BBS, even the girls looked happy just sitting there and if they were lucky enough to be selected most bounced up and down with excitment. Lovely Jubbly!
I was with a friend in CP. Couple of things happened that i would say over all still constituted a good expierence with some troubling times.
#1 like some prevous report i had a girl in my room from the BBS so near the triangular shaped little park. She got rude right when we were suppost be getting intimate. I tried politely to deal with her without positive results.
Then i got stern and she looked my serious eyes and started to put her clothes back on. Then i did the same motioning that i would go along and complain or change girls. I no speak the local language. Then i looked compassionately in her eyes coming on to her in a body language that said we can work this out your way. She abliaged. Then during sex she was resisting most everything again. I flipped a switch in my control room and went into we gonna do it my way the tough way and manhandled her.
Like floor mat wrestling no hitting. i got the best out of the tense situation.
Oddly afterwords during our shower together she started looking into my eyes with respect. I got a real kick out of that. I live in Thailand and dont believe i would get respect for being a beater. Jesus i thought... she liked it!
the Bill 100 mamasan 100 girl=200
sounds like sexual harassment to me, just to be polite about it. in some places, sounds like sexual misconduct or abuse or even worst.
i don't know about the respect part, but if a gal is no fun in the beginning, it's time to move on. find another gal.
200rmb from the triangle park (hui mei/virgin hotel square), you overpaid by 50rmb.
i have been telling mongers that cp, china for that matter is not thailand. this is not an english speaking country and getting good service in smaller city requires some knowledge of the local tongue. practically all working gals do not speak english. if they did, why would they be working gals.
it's tough to get good service, grunting at each other. you want gfe, find a place that you can converse with the gals.
i have heard stories where non-chinese speaking mongers took out girls for lt and took them out to other cities for vacation. then got only to bang them once. what a waste.
it's this part that gets me:
"oddly afterwords during our shower together she started looking into my eyes with respect. i got a real kick out of that. i live in thailand and dont believe i would get respect for being a beater. jesus i thought... she liked it!"
globotto, with no disrespect to you, but this part sounds like a [CodeWord126] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126)'s fantasy.
bill
i was with a friend in cp. couple of things happened that i would say over all still constituted a good expierence with some troubling times.
#1 like some prevous report i had a girl in my room from the bbs so near the triangular shaped little park. she got rude right when we were suppost be getting intimate. i tried politely to deal with her without positive results.
then i got stern and she looked my serious eyes and started to put her clothes back on. then i did the same motioning that i would go along and complain or change girls. i no speak the local language. then i looked compassionately in her eyes coming on to her in a body language that said we can work this out your way. she abliaged. then during sex she was resisting most everything again. i flipped a switch in my control room and went into we gonna do it my way the tough way and manhandled her.
like floor mat wrestling no hitting. i got the best out of the tense situation.
oddly afterwords during our shower together she started looking into my eyes with respect. i got a real kick out of that. i live in thailand and dont believe i would get respect for being a beater. jesus i thought... she liked it!
the bill 100 mamasan 100 girl=200
Pleasure Dude
04-16-08, 23:00
I know most board member will try to stay away from CP end of April because of the canton fair. If anyone ISG member will be in town next week from 4/21 to 4/24, please send me a pm. We can visit the BBS in the afternoon and go to ktvs at night. There will still be girls if we look hard enough.
cheers,
PD
Canton fair is ruining the CP environment. Even places like Swan lake is increasing their hotel fees and such. In addition, at night time, Baby's shop moves over to second floor yalan KTV, so that they will be more low key, as CP authorities want the whole BBS to less apparent.
Miraton will raise prices as well, so even though canton fair won't completely affect CP, it sort of does to a certain degree. The next 2 weeks will not be fun, especially with May 1st coming up as well, lots of HKers coming up for vacation.
CP will be packed!
Some of my mongering buddies are taking a break these few weeks.
Old Mean Dog
04-17-08, 00:27
I know most board member will try to stay away from CP end of April because of the canton fair. If anyone ISG member will be in town next week from 4/21 to 4/24, please send me a pm. We can visit the BBS in the afternoon and go to ktvs at night. There will still be girls if we look hard enough.
cheers,
PD
Well, if no P4P, you can always try your luck at the "Tightway, Let's Score Freebies in Paybie Land" Technique.
-CPE
BTW: Bro Tightway, just having fun here....
Old Mean Dog
04-17-08, 00:30
200RMB from the triangle park (Hui Mei/Virgin hotel square), you overpaid by 50RMB.
I'm currently OOC, but maybe they up the price during the Canton Fair? I had a helluva time finding a taxi at the train station last night and those knuckleheads were trying to sit firm on 20 rmb.
-CPE
Walk over to the bus station and grab a local bus for 2 RMB. Takes you to the square between Hui Mei and Virgin hotel in 20 minutes.
At the bus station, you can grab a van or taxi for alot less. Especially one that just drop off a passenger.
Bill
I'm currently OOC, but maybe they up the price during the Canton Fair? I had a helluva time finding a taxi at the train station last night and those knuckleheads were trying to sit firm on 20 rmb.
-CPE
SE Asia Joe
04-17-08, 04:20
sounds like sexual harassment to me, just to be polite about it. in some places, sounds like sexual misconduct or abuse or even worst.
globotto, with no disrespect to you, but this part sounds like a [CodeWord126] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126)'s fantasy.
bill
billl - you're at your diplomatic best ainthcha?
some of globotto's other postings
globotto
thailand general reports
1-16-04
sadism:
although thailand is not known for its s/m i would recommend the cave on sukhumvit soi 33 it is sort of a exclusive club and the doorman will open a small port in the door before letting you pay the cover charge. also try angelwitch in nana plaza bettween 10-midnight. they have a good dance show with a titch of s/m.
12-05-05
interviews do not always work
________________________________________
her name was pat and she was short, cute, no baby.
after completing my interview i thought i had all bases covered.
the only red flag i had was that she was silent and complained a bit about walking. other than that everything went on as usual.
she showered then i showered. then my towel clad girl was sitting on the sofa lifeless and requesting to turn off the lights to which an ensueing debate took
place. she continued to be lifeless and then started to say hurry up.
hurry up hell we haven't even started. that was enough for me to realise
this was not going to be enjoyable but rather an ongoing battle.
it was obvious that the interview failed due to a lier and manipulater to
which my responce is to send her out immediatly and when she realised i
was serious she went out. out of courtesy i gave her 100thb.
i do tour services mainly for newbies and i have also helped guys
with booking and travel planning. send me a private message if your interested.
12-17-05
a dud named m
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i was hanging around nana when this girl appeared looking anxious to meet a client. i noticed her large knockers. she did not speak english and she said she a newbie. she had reservations about going with anyone but after she walked me to meet her friend we decided it was a go. the first thing she did on the way to the room is request that i buy her cigarettes a spy wine cooler and tic tacs and i did. then i discovered that her knockers were silicon. in any respect i thought i had a good pull.
she was a good kisser but she kept insisting on turning the lights off so a volley of switch throwing was the result. she resisted the unveiling of her towel. then she started insisting that i wear a condom during foreplay a debate that ensued in my favor.
i put on the condom for intercourse but i had to wrestle her into positions and her stomach bore some nasty stretch marks.
her constant complaining almost ruined the session.
it is sessions like this that sway me to a go with a repeat sure thing over a uncertain first time pull.
i definetly will not go with her again.
this photo was taken before she left she looked alot better earlier.
Fast Eddie 48
04-17-08, 04:46
Walk over to the bus station and grab a local bus for 2 RMB. Takes you to the square between Hui Mei and Virgin hotel in 20 minutes.
At the bus station, you can grab a van or taxi for alot less. Especially one that just drop off a passenger.
BillCPE,
I can't picture bill lee get on the dirty CP bus with a p4p he just pick up from yanlan ,I take the hotel free shuttle van drop me off yalan or Jiayi ktv save the 2 rmb bus fare.
Fast eddie 48
SE Asia Joe
04-17-08, 05:17
CPE,
I can't picture bill lee get on the dirty CP bus with a p4p he just pick up from yanlan ,I take the hotel free shuttle van drop me off yalan or Jiayi ktv save the 2 rmb bus fare.
Fast eddie 48
OK - I'll get in on this - another BSD topic of conversation.
Where/how do I take the Hotel bus? Is there a schedule or is it "on demand?"
Which hotels has this shuttle service?
SEAJ
Old Mean Dog
04-17-08, 12:44
CPE,
I can't picture bill lee get on the dirty CP bus with a p4p he just pick up from yanlan ,I take the hotel free shuttle van drop me off yalan or Jiayi ktv save the 2 rmb bus fare.
Fast eddie 48
FE48,
Actually, Ole Bill Lee and Santa forced me on the bus once to ride over to the Yalan Area, so it don't surprise me that he rides the bus from the train station. Problem is, I don't stay in a hotel, I live outside of the main drag. They have a bus, but it's the last leg of the run and I don't wanna spend 30 minutes on a crowded bus trying to get home.
It didn't take the new city taxi's long to get in on pirating, they will roll over to the train station, but many will try to "talk" price now instead of using the meter. Repeated calls to their office, met with negative results as nobody answers the phone.
Was at the Canton Fair today and it was quite humorous to watch all the "laowai" eyeball every Chinese girl that walked by and many gave themselves whiplash checking out the backside. To think I acted like that years ago, for shame! :)
-CPE
I'm currently OOC,...
-CPE
That's a new one on me. Hmmmmmm. Not in the Abbreviation thread.
Can it be?
Out Of Country
Out Of Currency
Out Of Control
Oki Optical Components
Object Oriented COBOL
Ahhhh, this is a sex board. So it must be: Out Of Cunnilingus.
What's the matter Skirt Chaser? Pussy don't got your tongue?
Bill
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