2008 South China - Dongguan

[OldAsiaHand]

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I will be in CP on 13th October. PM me your current local cell number so we can hook-up.

OAH



Hi guys

I'll also be back in CP around the same period, from oct 10th for a couple weeks. Official reason being the fair (I do plan to visit it for one day...) and a short business trip in Beijing in the middle of my stay.

BBB, you mentioned MongerX. We've known each other on another forum for a couple of years but never had the pleasure yet. He thinks it sucks coming to CP during the fair but sometimes you just don't have a choice.

OAH, I remember going with you to GZ last december by car and double dating some regular girls at some posh italian joint. Next time around allow it to be my treat.

My usual playground is Cambodia but CP worked its magic for me 2 years ago for the 1st time and yes, it was an eye opener. In some places it was hard to believe there could be so much quality pussy at a single venue.

I'll also be staying at the Miraton and hope to catch up with some regulars as well.

[Daft Boy]

I found a great report from a year ago by Loso69. This report gives a great rundown on Changping, well worth a read before going to CP. Daft Boy


http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=561613&postcount=1965

[Wadman]

From the Yalan BBSs, it's 500 LT. Hui Mei BBSs are 400 LT. Not sure about night market, as I have never taken one LT from there. But ST price is 150 (130 if you look Chinese enough), so 400 should do it.

If it is late, around closing time (12-1 midnight), you may be able shave off another 100 rmb.

Early in the afternoon/evening, some girls may not be eager to be taken for LT. Especially not if it is a friday or saturday, and especially not if she hot/fun. Reason being that she can do at least 1 more ST, and then get someone to take her LT.


Hi all,
I want to check the price to keep a bbs girl over night in Changping and what should the girl get and what should the mamasan get? I have read old reports and some say to pay 400rmb but I want to make sure.
I don't want to overpay!!
Daft Boy.

[SE Asia Joe]

From the Yalan BBSs, it's 500 LT. Hui Mei BBSs are 400 LT. Not sure about night market, as I have never taken one LT from there. But ST price is 150 (130 if you look Chinese enough), so 400 should do it.

If it is late, around closing time (12-1 midnight), you may be able shave off another 100 rmb.

Early in the afternoon/evening, some girls may not be eager to be taken for LT. Especially not if it is a friday or saturday, and especially not if she hot/fun. Reason being that she can do at least 1 more ST, and then get someone to take her LT.
Yes, Week-ends are sellers market and we all have had our share of disappointment in CP - but the majority of times we still do OK.

I learned a great trick from our buddy Bill Lee - On a couple or so occassions in the past, when I get hook up with a great gal in the afternoon, I've paid her ST (50+100=150 for Hui Mei and 100+100=200 for Yalan/Swan Lake) and then tell her to come back say at 11 pm or midnight or ?? (On those occassions, I've had to have dinner with a prospective freebie or a client and thus would not need for her to be around during the intervening hours).

I'd promise her that I would pay her the rest of the LT rate (+250 for Hui Mei and +300 for Yalan/Swan Lake) in the morning. They will come back as then you've allowed them to go and do other ST sessions with other clients - and then come back to you WITHOUT having to share any monies with the Mommie.

I've stopped doing this lately as I've discovered that I really don't like sleeping with these gals - that I do prefer to just bang 'em and just send them on their way to allow me to have my beauty sleep alone (Jeez - I AM getting old!!) - but for you guys who love the feeling of a nubile young body sleeping next to you (damn - I USED to!) then this is one alternative.

BTW Daft Boy - note that the report you pointed out to was written by the same guy who had stolen the mommie's shoes because the gal wouldn't allow him to take pictures.
SEAJ

[Bnlee2]

I've stopped doing this lately as I've discovered that I really don't like sleeping with these gals - that I do prefer to just bang 'em and just send them on their way to allow me to have my beauty sleep alone (Jeez - I AM getting old!!) - but for you guys who love the feeling of a nubile young body sleeping next to you (damn - I USED to!) then this is one alternative.

SEAJSeajoe,

In regards to the liking of having a nice nubile body sleeping next to you, I have learn to sleep with one eye open. I just loves the feeling of a warm mouth over my didi as the sun rises in the morning as I wake up. Nothing better to wake up to a nice 'O". I get my beauty sleep (damn. As I get older, I need that more than ever) and my 'O'. Just my pov.

[SE Asia Joe]

Anybody up there this week-end?
I"ll be up there Saturday afternoon for overnite (with the rest of the marauding Hong Kong week-end warriors!).

PM or phone me.
Joe

[Pointpanic]

The night market rate is 400, but you might lower it to 300 after midnight if you can negotiate with the needy as I am sure you can with your superb skills. The night after I was with you and SEAJoe I did the Bill Lee trick with my Yalan Santa approved sweetie, when after playing with her all day and dinner and an evening stroll, she was off to visit a "girl" friend at 10 only to have her return at 1 practically breaking down the door, as I had passed out from the excercise, to get back in to stay till she had to go back to work at 3 pm the next day. Totally GFE, she refused to take any tip other than cab fare. Total fee 415.

The last night market girl with you and Joe with pics curtesy of Joe's negotiating skills was 130.

Joe, I love to cuddle but my last trip to the night market with good old Bill Lee at 11 one evening, the 5'5" thin but shapely C cup wouldn't let me sleep till she left at 9 am working it the whole time till I sent her on her way so I could get breakfast and go back to sleep with out getting molested. So I feel your pain. Ah yes, I miss ChangPing.

PP


Yes, Week-ends are sellers market and we all have had our share of disappointment in CP - but the majority of times we still do OK.

I learned a great trick from our buddy Bill Lee - On a couple or so occassions in the past, when I get hook up with a great gal in the afternoon, I've paid her ST (50+100=150 for Hui Mei and 100+100=200 for Yalan/Swan Lake) and then tell her to come back say at 11 pm or midnight or ?? (On those occassions, I've had to have dinner with a prospective freebie or a client and thus would not need for her to be around during the intervening hours).

I'd promise her that I would pay her the rest of the LT rate (+250 for Hui Mei and +300 for Yalan/Swan Lake) in the morning. They will come back as then you've allowed them to go and do other ST sessions with other clients - and then come back to you WITHOUT having to share any monies with the Mommie.

I've stopped doing this lately as I've discovered that I really don't like sleeping with these gals - that I do prefer to just bang 'em and just send them on their way to allow me to have my beauty sleep alone (Jeez - I AM getting old!!) - but for you guys who love the feeling of a nubile young body sleeping next to you (damn - I USED to!) then this is one alternative.

BTW Daft Boy - note that the report you pointed out to was written by the same guy who had stolen the mommie's shoes because the gal wouldn't allow him to take pictures.
SEAJ

[Wapec]

BBB

You'll absolutley have a ball in CP. Welcome and enjoy!!! Treat the gals nice and don't scare my harem away. Its taken me time, effort and money to train them hunnies up.

Nasty punishment posting the pics. Mucho jealous. Only reprisal I can think of is stealing Sammy T and your BJG Mongolians in a fortnight on my Northern adventure then I am back to the Southern lasses with their warm asses.

Santa

What d'ya think of the hats ? Nicely done extra touch I'd say.

\W


Just another 'day at the office' in Angeles City.

[Threeway]

Hi forumers,

Need some helpful suggestions here. Am trying to organize a trip up to DG / CP area for a small stag party. I've been to various Houjie KTV's and Suana's before but have no real experience in CP nor the area around that. Closest experience is perhaps in ZMT Goodview where I was shocked to see the amt of gals there. Wanna bring the boys for a trip to remember.

A couple of queries actually, so do bear with me and hopefully some of you can help.

1) Suggestions of some KTV's in CP.. From my viewing of the thread, I would reckon Jiayi (taoyuan) as it does but would there be any other that would come to mind?

2) Would booking be required for the KTV's in question? If so, could you help with some tel numbers?

3) What's the damage currently?

-When I was in and around the KTV's in Houjie and ZMT, the structure was 2-5-8 and there were some 3-7-1000. It's been awhile, so just need to check if the rates have gone up. Also, what are the necessary tips and payments to the KTV? Most times I was a guest on business therefore did not pay for any of the peripherals or bill. Some indication would be good as I do not wanna get into a situation at the KTV.

4) Some helpful suggestions on hotels to stay? Seems like the mirathon comes highly recommended. Any others should I try if it is full? (I'l be there on a Thursday)

For the spas, I think there's enough suggestions here that I can take note of.

Hopefully it can be a good trip for my bro that is getting married soon.

[Bad Boy Billy]

Only reprisal I can think of is stealing Sammy T and your BJG Mongolians in a fortnight on my Northern adventure then I am back to the Southern lasses with their warm asses.Mate what dates you in Bj?

The 'curfew' is starting to lift - I hear a certain well known bar had like 10 Chinese and 8 Mongolians working it on Thursday night.

Hopefully is the start of better things to come.

PM me if you want a couple of Mongol contacts - also pm Sammy if you want to hook up.

[SE Asia Joe]

Hi forumers,

Need some helpful suggestions here. Am trying to organize a trip up to DG / CP area for a small stag party. I've been to various Houjie KTV's and Suana's before but have no real experience in CP nor the area around that. Closest experience is perhaps in ZMT Goodview where I was shocked to see the amt of gals there. Wanna bring the boys for a trip to remember.

A couple of queries actually, so do bear with me and hopefully some of you can help.

1) Suggestions of some KTV's in CP.. From my viewing of the thread, I would reckon Jiayi (taoyuan) as it does but would there be any other that would come to mind?

2) Would booking be required for the KTV's in question? If so, could you help with some tel numbers?

3) What's the damage currently?

-When I was in and around the KTV's in Houjie and ZMT, the structure was 2-5-8 and there were some 3-7-1000. It's been awhile, so just need to check if the rates have gone up. Also, what are the necessary tips and payments to the KTV? Most times I was a guest on business therefore did not pay for any of the peripherals or bill. Some indication would be good as I do not wanna get into a situation at the KTV.

4) Some helpful suggestions on hotels to stay? Seems like the mirathon comes highly recommended. Any others should I try if it is full? (I'l be there on a Thursday)

For the spas, I think there's enough suggestions here that I can take note of.

Hopefully it can be a good trip for my bro that is getting married soon.
I remember the stag party I arranged in Bangkok a few years back - when I got the groom all drunk - together with the rest of us at the Plaza Massage Penthouse suites - and set up with 2 beauties which he could not refuse; After the deed and when he came out, we all cheered as he just went ahead and did 2 of Bangkok's best Katoeys!! A bit cruel - but a fitting send-off for one fool enough to go that path!!
Anyway... to your questions:
1) Yes the Jiayi with their 300 odd gal gauntlet every evening would be a great venue - just get there earlier to get the best/largest selection - anytime after 6 or 6:30 pm. The Plutocrat (Fuhao) would also be a good place for their Naked KTV gals ( pelase pm me if you need an English speaking Mommie to take care of you). Other 2-5-8 KTV's (depending on your time frame ) includes the Old Miraton, Hui Hua, PP etc and for the pricier options - the Crown Prince and the Goodview. For a down and dirty and cheap place (1-3-6) is my old standby the Swan Lake for the wild gals. Usually totally uninhibited denizens fo the night there!
2) Booking recommended for Friday, Saturday and nights prior to Hong Kong Holidays. I can probably help you out here - pls PM me. One thing to note though - if you ask a mommie or a gal to book a room - please MAKE SURE THAT YOU DO SHOW UP - as the KTV's will fine them the minimum charge for the room they booked for you if you don't show up. Not a nice thing all around.
3) As above mostly 2-5-8 whilst during the day-time, you guys ought to avail yourselves of the BBS's for $150-200 a pop (or at the night market if you come up dry at the KTV for 130-150 depending on youyr negotiating skills). BTW - most punters find a lot of satisfaction and fun with these BBS gals - and at such economical rates! Saunas - for anywhere between 400-700 is also a good activity in CP (Not as good as Zhuhai - but still OK) and to experience the full gamut of "services." Sauna Gals are renowend for the 10, 20 or even more "Services on the menu".
On other charges at the KTV - you're well advised to double check with the Manager/mommie ALL the charges - and freebies - for the room PRIOR to actually agreeing to occupy the room. Typical Charges are the minimum charge for the particular size of the room, The 200@ for the DJ (please check do they require 1, 2 or even 3??), any charge for the fruit plates, nuts or even tissues in the room? Please also establish what are the prices for the beverage you are going to consume - and if beer - if there is a Buy one/two get one free etc. Also make sure you tell the mommie that you need to sign off on any charges being tacked on - and they will require you to sgin a chit everytime anybody orders anything. It's gonna be in Chinese - but you can ask what the chit is for prior to signing off on it.
4. Hotels - well that is quite subjective and depends on yoru budget. Miraton is amongst the highest priced whilst other hotels are also quite nice but cheaper priced. Actually though, the hotels in CP is VERY cheap by world standards and should not run you more than 400/night anywhere in CP town (Crown prince, Goodview etc higher) and thus going "down market" is probably not going to save you guys much - especially if CP not gonna be a "habit" as it is for a lot of us! The Hui hua, Walter, Peninsula, Clipper, Virgin are a bit cheaper whilst the Lucky, Swan lake, Hua Yu etc are in the 200 or so mark.
Have fun guys - and make sure you do spring some "once in a lifetime surprise" for the groom!!

SEAJ

Ps. In replying to you, I made an exception on posters with single digit counts, as I expect that you WILL regale us with what exactly you got up to with your party. DEAL?

[Threeway]

I remember the stag party I arranged in Bangkok a few years back. When I got the groom all drunk. Together with the rest of us at the Plaza Massage Penthouse suites. And set up with 2 beauties which he could not refuse; After the deed and when he came out, we all cheered as he just went ahead and did 2 of Bangkok's best Katoeys! A bit cruel. But a fitting send-off for one fool enough to go that path!

Anyway. To your questions:

1) Yes the Jiayi with their 300 odd gal gauntlet every evening would be a great venue. Just get there earlier to get the best/largest selection. Anytime after 6 or 6:30 pm. The Plutocrat (Fuhao) would also be a good place for their Naked KTV gals (pelase pm me if you need an English speaking Mommie to take care of you). Other 2-5-8 KTV's (depending on your time frame) includes the Old Miraton, Hui Hua, PP etc and for the pricier options. The Crown Prince and the Goodview. For a down and dirty and cheap place (1-3-6) is my old standby the Swan Lake for the wild gals. Usually totally uninhibited denizens fo the night there!

2) Booking recommended for Friday, Saturday and nights prior to Hong Kong Holidays. I can probably help you out here. Please PM me. One thing to note though. If you ask a mommie or a gal to book a room. Please MAKE SURE THAT YOU DO SHOW UP. As the KTV's will fine them the minimum charge for the room they booked for you if you don't show up. Not a nice thing all around.

3) As above mostly 2-5-8 whilst during the day-time, you guys ought to avail yourselves of the BBS's for $150-200 a pop (or at the night market if you come up dry at the KTV for 130-150 depending on youyr negotiating skills). BTW. Most punters find a lot of satisfaction and fun with these BBS gals. And at such economical rates! Saunas. For anywhere between 400-700 is also a good activity in CP (Not as good as Zhuhai. But still OK) and to experience the full gamut of "services. " Sauna Gals are renowend for the 10, 20 or even more "Services on the menu".

On other charges at the KTV. You're well advised to double check with the Manager/mommie ALL the charges. And freebies. For the room PRIOR to actually agreeing to occupy the room. Typical Charges are the minimum charge for the particular size of the room, The 200at for the DJ (please check do they require 1, 2 or even 3? ), any charge for the fruit plates, nuts or even tissues in the room? Please also establish what are the prices for the beverage you are going to consume. And if beer. If there is a Buy one/two get one free etc. Also make sure you tell the mommie that you need to sign off on any charges being tacked on. And they will require you to sgin a chit everytime anybody orders anything. It's gonna be in Chinese. But you can ask what the chit is for prior to signing off on it.

4. Hotels. Well that is quite subjective and depends on yoru budget. Miraton is amongst the highest priced whilst other hotels are also quite nice but cheaper priced. Actually though, the hotels in CP is VERY cheap by world standards and should not run you more than 400/night anywhere in CP town (Crown prince, Goodview etc higher) and thus going "down market" is probably not going to save you guys much. Especially if CP not gonna be a "habit" as it is for a lot of us! The Hui hua, Walter, Peninsula, Clipper, Virgin are a bit cheaper whilst the Lucky, Swan lake, Hua Yu etc are in the 200 or so mark.

Have fun guys. And make sure you do spring some "once in a lifetime surprise" for the groom!

SEAJ

Ps. In replying to you, I made an exception on posters with single digit counts, as I expect that you WILL regale us with what exactly you got up to with your party. DEAL? Thanks SEAJ! Deal!

A definite field report will follow.

[OldAsiaHand]

I have never been able to sleep well with a provider in the room so do not often do LT. Either my didi stays hard all night (from the C or V) or I am afraid they will rip me off somehow. I have asked CP BBS girls to come back for a wake-up call in the morning, but many of them fail to show up for whatever reason. Most likely, they found a LT after me and/or just cannot drag themselves out of their own bed in the morning. That said, when they do show it is better than the hotel phone waking me up.

OAH


Seajoe,

In regards to the liking of having a nice nubile body sleeping next to you, I have learn to sleep with one eye open. I just loves the feeling of a warm mouth over my didi as the sun rises in the morning as I wake up. Nothing better to wake up to a nice 'O". I get my beauty sleep (damn. As I get older, I need that more than ever) and my 'O'. Just my pov.

[Weelock]

Hi forumers,

Need some helpful suggestions here. Am trying to organize a trip up to DG / CP area for a small stag party. I've been to various Houjie KTV's and Suana's before but have no real experience in CP nor the area around that. Closest experience is perhaps in ZMT Goodview where I was shocked to see the amt of gals there. Wanna bring the boys for a trip to remember.
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I see SEAJ answered most of your questions. I just want to add some comments.

If you are planning a large party with lot of foreigner guys ( laowais ), many girls will be scared to death. IMHO, it is better to go with a mix group if possible. It's mainly for translation and the girls will feel more relaxed.

There are more higher end hotels and KTV's in Houjie and mainly for Taiwanese business men. Houjie is much more developed as a city. I don't even consider the Miraton, Hui hua or Walter are 5 star hotels. I do consider some of the hotels in Houjie are more like 5 stars like the Sheraton, real big.

CP is mainly for the Hong Kong guys, more Cantonese. The town CP is much smaller and older than Houjie.



Thanks SEAJ! Deal!

A definite field report will follow.

How about posting something about Houjie and ZMT since you have experience with these places. You only have two posts, one asking questions and one thanking. Most of the Dongguan Thread is on CP and not on other areas. For me I'm more interested on some of the sauna you have been to?

EDIT: Thanks Threeway for your posts .......
I have an old post of some of the hotels in Houjie...Sorry no girls.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=66049

[Threeway]

If you are planning a large party with lot of white guys, many girls will be scared to death. IMHO, it is better to go with a mix group and not too many laowais if possible. It mainly for translation and the girls will feel more relaxed.

There are more higher end hotels and KTV's in Houjie and mainly for Taiwanese business men. Houjie is much more developed. CP is mainly for the Hong Kong guys, more Cantonese. The town CP is much smaller than Houjie.

SEAJ answered most of your questions.

You should post something about Houjie since you have experience with this place. You only have two and both asking questions.Fair enough. I think a quick report should be due as well from my past experience in Goodview ZMT and the Jiahua KTV in Houjie and also the sheraton suana. Although not extremely current in terms of timing (ZMT was some 3 years ago, and the one in houjie was about a year ago) but hopefully still readable material.

Oh. Btw, I'm not a white guy and neither is the groom to be nor my other buddy who is going for this trip. Translation would not be an issue. I read/write mandarin fluently and is equally good with cantonese and a few other Chinese dialects. We're just throwing a small stag party. Nothing too massive because it's quite hush hush as we made it sound like it was a business trip to other less mongerous friends.

Goodview ZMT

This was a massive group in which I was following on a business trip. We booked into the hotel and I was immediately given a call by one of the business associates to go for "shopping" at the flower market. This was my first day in China about 3 years ago and I had absolutely no idea what we were heading for. I was knackered as hell and thinking why do we have to go shopping at the flower market instead of either having a quick rest followed by dinner.

I met 5 of my fellow associates at the hotel lobby and they proceeded to bring me to the west wing of the hotel. When we got there, there were two lines of cheongsam clad women welcoming us. I realised that we had just walked into a Nightclub/KTV! The lift proceeded to descend to the basement and when it opened, there was something like 200-300 girls in a lobby and mommies were pushing them in our direction saying like "This one's got big boobs. This one's quite pretty yah? " I was basically too shell shocked to do anything but my mongering associates knew exactly what they were doing and knew that it was abit overwhelming for me as it was my first experience in this sort of "Flower Market" style selection of KTV girls. Eventually they picked 10 girls for the 6 of us and proceeded to the KTV room.

I had my eye on this cute girl that was sitting with one of my associates but since this was my first time in a China KTV, I didn; t know how it worked and didn't want to spoil anything. Eventually the buddies got me a chick, paid for it and just told me to go along with it to enjoy. Nice big racks, a beauty mole on her chin, nothing big to shout about. The worst thing is that my associate didn't even bring the girl that I was eyeing back with him!

Overall. A shock and awe experience in my first KTV outing in China but in a VERY good way. It was this experience that led me to wanna organize a stag party in China just for the shock and awe factor of having so many girls to choose that you dunno what to do. I'd like to see the "Doe caught in the headlights of an oncoming car look" on the grooms face. Hahaha. That'l be priceless.

Second KTV Experience

Was in Houjie during the furniture fair. Some local associates brought me out after the day event. They warned me that we should try to get around early as during this period, all the suana's and KTV's would be very very booked and all the girls would be gone.

First Night. Regal KTV? (I think it was jiahua)

- Was knackered out from the day's activities at the fair. Returned to hotel for a quick wash up and waited for the boys to give me a buzz. The called sometime at 7pm saying they would be picking me up for dinner at 730pm. We rushed through dinner at one of those small cafes on the main street of houjie reminiscent of the HK's Teahouse (Cha chan tang). Normal average fare, nothing too fanciful, not too expensive. By the time we reached the KTV it was close to 830. We still managed to get a room but the line up coming in was not too good. The local guy spoke to the mummy and she said the usual "It; s the fair and the place is super crowded and sorry for the lack of girls" The local guy was determined not to leave me stranded and went out to "see" some girls for himself.

He went out with the mommy and baout 5 minutes later a group of girls came in dressed in stewardess uniforms. They had a big "emoticon" button right on their hip. It was either a smiley face or a sad face. In the midst, I picked out a tall (5"8) lass from dongbei with a smiley face button.

After some chit chat, found out she was a college student who was in houjie doing this for some extra pocket money. One of our topics revolved around her button and I found out whats with the smiley or sad faces. Smiley mean. Good to go. Sad faces. Not good to go. You get the drift. Decided to LT her as there was good chemistry and we laughed. My local colleague did all the talking/negotiations with her about going back with me. I can; t remember how much I paid but it was either 1000 or 1200. I can; t remember.

Took her back and she was relatively inexperienced. Nice pretty face, good body, but one this I didn; t like was. She didn; t shave her armpits! It was a mild turnoff but I still got the deed done. Ergh. I hate unshaven armpits. Next morning, paid her her dues and told her to go off. One bad thing about some of these costumes such as air stewardess uniforms. You dunno whether they are hairy or not till they strip!

Well. I hope the above post were of some fun/information for fellow forummers.

If anybody can help with more info for the planning of the stag trip will greatly appreciate it!
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[Threeway]

Continuing post on the Suana Experience.

As I was there during the furniture fair, it was advised to my by the local associates that it would be difficult unless we got there early. I was staying in the Kande Hotel, which according to them had a pretty good suana. But since I was staying there, they decided to bring me around to the other suana's first before going back there as a last resort.

First, they took me to this hotel right opposite the sheraton in which they said the suana there was managed by the same people as those in the sheraton, cept that it was cheaper. Went there and looked at their lineup and was sorely disappointed.

We crossed over to the sheraton. Some cuties but we decided to do the tour de suanas first before ending with a bang. They brought me to another area which had a cluster of small dingy hotels but the lineup was so bad and some of them even had a bad smell. One particular suana I went. We had 4 guys in the room and the manager told us there was only one girl. We said never mind, we'd take a look and when she came out. OMG! If I was the last man on earth and she was the last girl. Shoot me. I'd rather die. The funny thing was. When she came out, she looked at us, we looked at her, looked at the manageress and giggled. The girl giggled as well, the manageress also couldn't help it but giggled and apologetically said sorry sheepishly. That was hell funny!

We finally went back to the kande but it was crowded as hell and we had to wait 45 mins just to see the girl. We waited for half an hour but figured it would get too late by then. So we returned to the sheraton.

I told the manager that during our previous lineup I saw a girl I fancied. I described her. Tall, Skinny, Very fair, Big eyes. And she went, and got the exact girl. Great memory considering they go through so many customer groups.

I booked the girl, and went up the lift to one of the rooms. She knocked on the door and came in shortly. Did the regular shower and all, but the funny thing was she placed her mobile phone on the TV top and opened it, wore back her clothes. I was already butt naked, on the bed wondering what was going on. And she went and turned the music player on her mobile on and started doing a strip dance for me. As I would later find out, this was supposed to be part of the routine that is expected of them. But her 1/10 bucket full strip dance was more funny than flirty and I wanted to burst out laughing so I told her to stop the music and cut to the chase. I guess she knew she wasn; t very good because she quickly stripped off, turned the music off and got on the bed to give me a quick massage. Not much of a massage to speak of. Just so pressing here and there and boom. The whole body up down licking followed by the BJ.

Nice body, firm tits on a slim body. Gave it my all and pounded her in the usual 3 positions. Missionary, cowgirl and doggie style. Blew my load after 15 mins. Stayed on the bed abit flickering the tv abit to see if any soccer was on and worth watching but non to be found. Went into the shower with her, got clean, usual scrubs. Got dressed and she packed up the room (bedlinen and towels) paid her (I think it was 1000 overall. Can; t remember. Approximately 700 for her and 300 for the room or something like that)

Took the lift down. My associate who took a girl as well was not out yet. Waited for 5 mins and got a lift back to the hotel.

Overall thoughts: From what I saw. The sheraton suana has the best chicks but I've been told from the local mongering associates that kande ranks up there as well. But due to the fair, it was slim pickings. Moral of experience. Either don; t go mongering during the fair, or go early. If not, expect to get slim or next to nothing.

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[Threeway]

Anyone been to the Goodview KTV in ZMT recently?

Hopefully they're still around. Wanna re-live the shock and awe experience again.

[Slower Better]

Am in China for 2 weeks looking for some company to go to local KTV, please pm me if anyone is around and interested. Asian, speaks Mandarin well.

[Ron8888]

I was in Kang Cheng KTV and the girls were wearing a see-through tank tops with nothing underneath. Different from any KTV I have been to in CP.

[Seamonger]

There seems to be a popular card game that is played in the KTV. I don't know the name of the game but as I understand it it is based on variation of poker. It is a game for three people with all cards being dealt including 2 jokers. My question is how is this game played. Can someone explain the basic rules and strategy?

Thanks.

SEAMonger

[Jettsetter]

There seems to be a popular card game that is played in the KTV. I don't know the name of the game but as I understand it it is based on variation of poker. It is a game for three people with all cards being dealt including 2 jokers. My question is how is this game played. Can someone explain the basic rules and strategy?

Thanks.

SEAMonger

It's Called "Di Zhou" - it's kind of like Big 2... played with 3 people... too many rules to explain though, it's more of something you have to just play... but basic concept is to get rid of all your cards first... you can only do so by upping the guy in front of you...

first player sets the # of cards to play, and you keep going until everyone passes... straights are okay (even up to 13 card straights)... single cards or pairs, 2's are highest ranking, other than the jokers which trump them all.

That is just really basic, but far from the entire rules... look up "Big 2" on the internet and you can get the basic concept... otherwise, you'll just have to have someone explain it to you while there and try it a few times.

good luck.

[SE Asia Joe]

Lots times, its best to just go with an old reliable; and it is with this in mind that the 4 four us - Wad, Raz ABC and I - decided to call our favorite English/Cantonese speaking Mommie at the Plutocrat to arrange things.

Got there at 7 and she was at the door wating for us and had a few gals picked out for us. Some red tags who are lots of fun, some single gold numbers who will give good "apres KTV" service and of course the double numbered strippers! Amongst us we chose 6 and proceeeded to the RMB 688 minimum Large room (not the one with the bedroom - but large!).

Even with familiar faces, it is a rule that you must establish the charges and of course, mommie didn't disappoint and enunciate it all to me again - and that all orders WILL be passed thru me for signature. 2 DJ's she said - and all I needed to do was sort of snorted and she said - OK, no problem - just your one favorite DJ! Cheapskate?? Picky?? Nope! NO way! We had all the bells and jingles, fruits, more snacks than was consumed and even all 'em fancy sickly sweet drinks ordered by the gals - and more complimentary foods and some beer!

And of course it was a blast with me succeeding in getting my 2 gals naked playing strip Liar's dice (errr.... never mind that I was first down to my jocks before they took pity - and perhaps disgust at me being butt naked - and agreed to me just drinking when losing whilst they of course will strip another garment when I win!! What do you guys say about THIS???!!! Good huh?! ).

The bill - RMB955, plus RMB200 for the DJ - with the measly RMB45 change being passed on to our mommie as her tip (and accepted gratefully/gracefully too I may add - even though it was such a small amount!). RMB 300 for each one of us - plus of course we needed to take care of our own gals.

Like I said, most times its best to go back to the old reliable - as there are always new gals there anyways!!

SEAJ

[Playboy2000]

Hey SEAJ, Can you explain the red tags, single gold numbers, and the double numbered? The one and only time I went to FuHao, only about half of the girls would play strip dice...perhaps you can solve the mystery. Also, we were disappointed that the girls didn't all strip and dance at 10:30 PM like they do in ChangAn. Race


...at the Plutocrat to arrange things.

Got there at 7 and she was at the door wating for us and had a few gals picked out for us. Some red tags who are lots of fun, some single gold numbers who will give good "apres KTV" service and of course the double numbered strippers!

[Seamonger]

Jettsetter,

Thanks for the information. I searched the web and found a website that explained the rules of the game. I guess it is one of those games that is easy to learn but difficult to master meaning I am going to get taken to the cleaners playing with "sharks" in the KTVs. Oh well have to pay the dues I guess.

SE Asia Joe,

Which KTV is Plutocrat? Is that in CP or CA? I have often played liar's dice to get my girls (usually two) to strip and more often than not I have been successful in getting them undressed before me. There was one time in particular when I had two of my girls in their birthday suits and I had not removed a stich of clothing. Once my mission was accomplished I suggested we stop playing and immediately they tried to put their clothes back on. I playfully took their clothes away and like good sports they remained in the buff until I gave them back their clothes. So for good 20 minutes or so I was the man with two girls totally naked and the rest of the guys were in awe of my accomplishment. Man I love the KTV life. BTW the KTV in question was Fuhao.

If Plutocrat is in CP I am surprized at how low your bill was. Normally for me the bill in CP is usually at least double that. Were you and the guys very careful about the amount of alcohol consumed?

SEAMonger

[SE Asia Joe]

Hey SEAJ, Can you explain the red tags, single gold numbers, and the double numbered? The one and only time I went to FuHao, only about half of the girls would play strip dice...perhaps you can solve the mystery. Also, we were disappointed that the girls didn't all strip and dance at 10:30 PM like they do in ChangAn. Race
Red Tag - on the rag; Single number - ready to go but will not strip in the room (but you many times can 'convince them" to do so). Double numbers are those who will definitelys strip...and go with you and they only cost an extra 50 = RMB 250 to sit with you. 5 and 8 applies still though.

On Changan - ALL the gals are quite required to strip - whilst the above "classes" of gals are at the Plutocrat/Fuhao (Seamonger - please note - its the same!) applies.

Last night I was over at Shatou with WAD, OAH, HAD and ABC - and saw how WAD would not let these Beatches get away with anything. Not quite sure what to make out of the incident, but WAD's gal was giving him a bit of attitude whilst dancing naked... and he promptly threw her bare ass and clothing out the door! I KNOW that this is what locals would do - but it was 'refreshing' to see that us ISG'ers also will not take sh..t from these gals!

Prompt apologies from the manager accompanied by tearful pleading by the gal followed - which was followed by a parade of all the gals that was still available then.

And the bill for the night's proceedings? RMB 833 plus the RMB 100 + 67 tip for the KDJ and we ended paying $250 each (OAH left early). And again, we had all the bells and jingles and lots to eat and drink.

SEAJ

[Freepeaks]

Must you have all the fun while I'm not in town? By time i get there you'll be telling me you need to rest on Saturday night.

Sounds like you guys have rediscovered some fun places where the girls haven't been too tainted by BSDs. I hope I get to try out one of these joints the next trip.

[SE Asia Joe]

Which KTV is Plutocrat? Is that in CP or CA?
If Plutocrat is in CP I am surprized at how low your bill was. Normally for me the bill in CP is usually at least double that. Were you and the guys very careful about the amount of alcohol consumed?

SEAMonger
As below - the Plutocrat IS the Fuhao.
As far as the bill is concerned - like I've said time and again, you gotta know the rules to get a fair deal. I've been KTV'ing in China going back mucho years and have seen everything from when a Local is trying his best to sparkle and impress (over 20 guys including the minor lackeys of the big bosses being waited upon on hands and feet by ALL the gals in the KTV - 60 or so of them - any kind of premium liquor you want, a basket full of Hotel keys for anyone who wants to have a room for anytime - with ALL fees - and this was at a 5-10-20 joint! - being taken care of), to when a bunch of us locals are out for a cheap evening out.

You act like a BSD and they will give you a BSD bill - by tacking on all sorts of ridiculous charges/items, having one and sundry manager/mommies/gals come in and out and drinking your liquor on the stupid pretense of giving you face, clearing away half full drinks regularly - and pouring them down the drain, the gals ordering alll sorts of expensive extras etc etc

On the other hand, you act like a cheap skate and they will treat you accordingly - but if you establish prior to the night's proceedings that you are NOT going to be taken for a ride whilst making them understand that you ain't gonna be no cheap skate either - then you will have a good time and be charged FAIRLY.

I am NOT telling you guys to then start nit-picking or trying to beat them down even before the night starts off (I've been with guys who had actually negotiated which exact freebies they expect - but this is the kind of cues for the manager to ascertain that you ain't gonna be a good client). Just NON-CHALANTLY/MATTER OF FACTLY establish what the minimum charges are (or actual room charge at some lower class places like SWL), what the gal/kDJ charges are, Buy one/two get one free and charges for mixers if ordered (this one is important as it can really bulge your bill) etc. Make sure they understand you need to sign off on all orders and instructions that you get a heads up when the room minimum charge is approached - and then have a blast.

These Mommies/managers knows very well who they deal with and it usually does not take much for me to prompt them to enunciate what all the charges are going to be, whilst asking us to sign off on all orders is usually quite de-rigeur.

Would appreciate any reports back the next time you go to a KTV, if what I've suggested works for you or not.

SEAJ

[Threeway]

Red Tag - on the rag; Single number - ready to go but will not strip in the room (but you many times can 'convince them" to do so). Double numbers are those who will definitelys strip...and go with you and they only cost an extra 50 = RMB 250 to sit with you. 5 and 8 applies still though.

On Changan - ALL the gals are quite required to strip - whilst the above "classes" of gals are at the Plutocrat/Fuhao (Seamonger - please note - its the same!) applies.

Last night I was over at Shatou with WAD, OAH, HAD and ABC - and saw how WAD would not let these Beatches get away with anything. Not quite sure what to make out of the incident, but WAD's gal was giving him a bit of attitude whilst dancing naked... and he promptly threw her bare ass and clothing out the door! I KNOW that this is what locals would do - but it was 'refreshing' to see that us ISG'ers also will not take sh..t from these gals!

Prompt apologies from the manager accompanied by tearful pleading by the gal followed - which was followed by a parade of all the gals that was still available then.

And the bill for the night's proceedings? RMB 833 plus the RMB 100 + 67 tip for the KDJ and we ended paying $250 each (OAH left early). And again, we had all the bells and jingles and lots to eat and drink.

SEAJNow I'm a little perplexed.

I thought the 2/5/8 equates to:

2 - Girl sitting fee. No extras and if you don;t take her out for ST ot LT this is minimum sum.

5 - This is if you negotiate to take the girl ST and the 200 sitting fee is included in this amount.

8 - This is the LT fee and includes the sitting fee already.

Somehow, i keep getting conflicting views on these! Some will say you give the girl 200 after sitting and if you take her overnight, then you give her another 800. But accordingly, some others will say that the fee is all inclusive in the 800. Could the very experienced forumers help clarify?

[SE Asia Joe]

Anyone been to the Goodview KTV in ZMT recently?

Hopefully they're still around. Wanna re-live the shock and awe experience again.
Hi Threeway - thanks for the great write-ups on your past experiences. Re-affirm my faith in the general decentness of most ISG'ers!

And yes, the Goodview is still there and going strong! Mind you though, it is NOT in CP but in Tangxia - and is actually closer to the Northern border of Shenzhen vs. CP.

Also, KTV price guidance for CP places will not apply and you'd be best prepared to pay a bit more. Nonetheless, I would suggest strongly that you should try to follow my modus operandi as described in my previous reports to avoid any nasty surprises - or worse, unpleasantness at the end of the evening.

Look forward to your report on your Bachelor's night!

SEAJ

[Dionysus]

First report ever from me so please feel free to comment--

Location:
Dongguan Jiayi Hotel (Taoyuan Recreation Town)- KTV
Xiaxu District, Swar Lake Road, Changping

Travel:
-catch train from Shenzhen to Dongguan $45RMB (or $5 less for basis carriage)
- then catch cab from Dongguan station to Jiaya Hotel (destination) for <$25RMB cabride (alternatively can get hotel staff to pick you up- but u have to know them well first)

Hotel Room Rates:
- some levels are under renovation at the moment
- normal rates at $218, can get cheaper at $198 (if u know them)
- basis room setup with proper loo, shower

KTV:
- kicks off at 6pm; tad earlier than the other joints
- best to rock up early- girls lined up in a 'flower parade'
- as usual busiest Thurs-Sun; I guess vary from 200-400 in numbers depending on day of week
- 2-5-8 arrangements
- 200 for DJ
- $49 for x1 beer
- didn't pay for KTV room-- so can't tell u cost

Description:
I rocked up there on a Monday in late-August with a group of 6-7mates. For a Monday there was still a overwhelming lineup at the flower parade. Looks vary from 5-8. Got there 6pm on the dot- picked x3 girls within 10-15mins. We had a pretty big KTV room, great buz and atmosphere with more than x12-15 girls in there. General karaoke, dice games and shitloads of drinking. WTF? Mixing Johnnie with green tea? Still tastes good though. Was gonna go for a 'doublefly' but thought wtf I'm coming here tom' as well. Took this 5 7" slim well-proportioned Hubei girl back. Nice silky white skin and long legs. She just had 2mths break back to her hometown (laojia).
We decided to grab some snacks before getting back to hotel room for some action. Walked along the main street 2am at night- man still jampacked with people. Had some nice spicy snacks at one of those street kiosk. When strolling back to the hotel with the girl, some random little girl (prolly 3yrs old) grabbed hold of the Hubei girl's leg and she wouldn't let go. I was pissed as hell and thought wtf is going on? She gave her $10rmb and she buzzed off. So, all brothers/C-Hings- beware! When walking along that main street at night, keep an eye on these 3-4yr old girls-- they won't let go until u give them at least a $10rmb; anything less they won't budge. Not worth giving them a shove as getting a stab wound is not friggin worth it.

-- More reports to follow--

Anyone around Dongguan area late Dec- early Jan; we need to round up more numbers for KTV room Better if u can speak Cantonese/Mandarin.

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[Wapec]

I am lodging a public protest at SEAJ for ringing me at work enticing me to bunk off early to go pussy hunting all night. What is a guy to do during the middle of the week with a mountain of work, the boss beside me & my team downwind ?

Cruel and unusal torture :) All he kept saying was "you know you want to?" followed by "are you queer?". Damn I was sweating with the thought and choking at the bit. I am so gonna catch up on lost time when I get off on my next leave ;)

SEAJ, you were so right that I was missing out and damn you let me know it!

Wadman, thanks again for letting me know. Not the right timing but as I said elsewhere I am up for and keen to check out CA & CP AQAP.

Peace to all and pussy for me:)
\W


Lots times, its best to just go with an old reliable; and it is with this in mind that the 4 four us - Wad, Raz ABC and I - decided to call our favorite English/Cantonese speaking Mommie at the Plutocrat to arrange things.

Like I said, most times its best to go back to the old reliable - as there are always new gals there anyways!!

SEAJ

[SE Asia Joe]

Now I'm a little perplexed.

I thought the 2/5/8 equates to:

2 - Girl sitting fee. No extras and if you don;t take her out for ST ot LT this is minimum sum.

5 - This is if you negotiate to take the girl ST and the 200 sitting fee is included in this amount.

8 - This is the LT fee and includes the sitting fee already.

Somehow, i keep getting conflicting views on these! Some will say you give the girl 200 after sitting and if you take her overnight, then you give her another 800. But accordingly, some others will say that the fee is all inclusive in the 800. Could the very experienced forumers help clarify?
3way - you're correct already.
200 sitting fee which you must pay if you donot take her out.
500 if you take her short time and 800 if overnight all inclusive - i.e you do NOT pay another 200 as an extra.
The 250 each I wrote about is what we each paid towards the evening's cost of the KTV room, drinks, food and the DJ. Besides the 250, we each had to pay our own gals as per the above 2-5-8.
SEAJ

[SE Asia Joe]

first report ever from me so please feel free to comment------
-catch train from shenzhen to dongguan $45rmb (or $5 less for basis carriage)--------------

- then catch cab from dongguan station to jiaya hotel (destination) for <$25rmb cabride : i rocked up there on a monday in late-august with a group of 6-7mates.-------------

- was gonna go for a 'doublefly' but thought wtf i'm coming here tom' as well-----------------

- when strolling back to the hotel with the girl, some random little girl (prolly 3yrs old) grabbed hold of the hubei girl's leg and she wouldn't let go. i was pissed as hell and thought wtf is going on? she gave her $10rmb and she buzzed off. so, all brothers/c-hings- beware! when walking along that main street at night, keep an eye on these 3-4yr old girls-- they won't let go until u give them at least a $10rmb; anything less they won't budge. not worth giving them a shove as getting a stab wound is not friggin worth it.

great piece of reporting - hope you keep it up!

since you're inviting comments - hope you don't mind mine:

- 5 less for basic carriage? am not even aware of this on the crs trains - u sure? also, for travelers fm/to hkg a much more comfortable/faster alternative - albeit slightly more expensive - is the direct hk$145 train from hung hom

- we regulars to cp have a pet peeve - and that is the rip-off taxis/pirate cars. just fyi, we try to hold the line at rmb10 for most destinations in cp, especially during the weekdays (your monday). week-ends we usually relent at 15. (you of course need to gauge the circumstances when trying to catch a cab/pirate - like if there are lots available or not, time of day, in a rush/not, whether you really know where you're going or not etc, and adjust accordingly) sorry to be nit-picking - but most of us really cain't stand these taxis and pirate vans/cars.
btw, licensed taxis in cp are actually required to run their meter - but a lot of time you end up with them taking you round and round/wasting your time if you insist on them running the meter - and thus if you really don't know where you're going, then just negoitate the fare - to within rmb20 for anywhere within cp. note that the yellow taxis are cheaper than the blue ones - and they are restricted to operating within chang ping itself - thus more familiar with destinations vs. the blue ones who quite a few times are from out of town.

- double-flys in china - my own experiences anyways - always disappoints!

- beggars - another pet peeve of ours. personally, i never give to them as all it does is attract a whole swarm of them around you. they on the other hand knows the easy target that guys are when with a xiaojies. when "attacked" in similar circumstances, i just leave the xiaojie to her own devices and continue walking. a bit ungentlemanly i know - but these gals knows what to do!
imho
seaj

[SE Asia Joe]

I am lodging a public protest at SEAJ \W
Whinge-ing again!! FORCRIZAKES - get yourself some pussy already huh?!
IMHO
SEAJ

[Seamonger]

As below. The Plutocrat IS the Fuhao.

As far as the bill is concerned. Like I've said time and again, you have to know the rules to get a fair deal. I've been KTV'ing in China going back mucho years and have seen everything from when a Local is trying his best to sparkle and impress (over 20 guys including the minor lackeys of the big bosses being waited upon on hands and feet by ALL the gals in the KTV. 60 or so of them. Any kind of premium liquor you want, a basket full of Hotel keys for anyone who wants to have a room for anytime. With ALL fees. And this was at a 5-10-20 joint!. Being taken care of), to when a bunch of us locals are out for a cheap evening out.

You act like a BSD and they will give you a BSD bill. By tacking on all sorts of ridiculous charges/items, having one and sundry manager/mommies/gals come in and out and drinking your liquor on the stupid pretense of giving you face, clearing away half full drinks regularly. And pouring them down the drain, the gals ordering alll sorts of expensive extras etc etc

On the other hand, you act like a cheap skate and they will treat you accordingly. But if you establish prior to the night's proceedings that you are NOT going to be taken for a ride whilst making them understand that you ain't gonna be no cheap skate either. Then you will have a good time and be charged FAIRLY.

I am NOT telling you guys to then start nit-picking or trying to beat them down even before the night starts off (I've been with guys who had actually negotiated which exact freebies they expect. But this is the kind of cues for the manager to ascertain that you ain't gonna be a good client). Just NON-CHALANTLY/MATTER OF FACTLY establish what the minimum charges are (or actual room charge at some lower class places like SWL), what the gal/kDJ charges are, Buy one/two get one free and charges for mixers if ordered (this one is important as it can really bulge your bill) etc. Make sure they understand you need to sign off on all orders and instructions that you get a heads up when the room minimum charge is approached. And then have a blast. These Mommies/managers knows very well who they deal with and it usually does not take much for me to prompt them to enunciate what all the charges are going to be, whilst asking us to sign off on all orders is usually quite de-rigeur.

Would appreciate any reports back the next time you go to a KTV, if what I've suggested works for you or not.

SEAJSEAJ,

I think I wanna party with you. You obviously know the rules of the game and can balance keeping the cost down yet not appearing to be cheap or nit picking. If the opportunity comes up it would be good to meet you and party together.

Keeping control of the bill is always handled by someone else. I don't speak the language and I am not familiar with the various charges and freebies and whatever else. I just pay my share of whatever the bill was at the end of the evening. The guys in my group who handle the bill are also very knowledgable and I don't think they are being taken for a ride. In fact we know the manager of Fuhao very well as we are regulars. It would be an interesting comparison (if I get a chance to party with you) to see what the differences are for an evening that costs 300 RMB vs 600 RMB. I know between CP and CA the cost can be quite different but the KTV experience is pretty much the same (I am referring here to things like amount of drinking, food, fruits, etc).

SEAMonger

[Wadman]

- then catch cab from Dongguan station to Jiaya Hotel (destination) for <$25RMB cabride (alternatively can get hotel staff to pick you up- but u have to know them well first)


As SEA Joe mentioned, we don't like cabbies ripping us off. Especially the unlicensed/pirate taxis. Legitimate taxi have to pay for a taxi license. These licenses are usually owned by some big shot, who then in turns rents them out to individual drivers. I have heard for 500 rmb per 12 hour shift in Shenzhen (probably less in CP). So the pirate taxis, not having to pay this fee, AND charging you extra is nothing more than outrageous and arrogant.



When strolling back to the hotel with the girl, some random little girl (prolly 3yrs old) grabbed hold of the Hubei girl's leg and she wouldn't let go. I was pissed as hell and thought wtf is going on? She gave her $10rmb and she buzzed off. So, all brothers/C-Hings- beware! When walking along that main street at night, keep an eye on these 3-4yr old girls-- they won't let go until u give them at least a $10rmb; anything less they won't budge. Not worth giving them a shove as getting a stab wound is not friggin worth it.


Hmm... giving beggars/urchins/singers money "just to get rid of them" is the wrong thing to do. IMO anyway. This will encourage more of them. And they will surely target YOU again next time. After all, they know you will give them money.

The way I deal with the little urchins is to grab both arms roughly... um, I mean firmly... pull them apart to break the grip, and give them a bit of a shove that will knock them on their ass. Just enough to send a message. After that, they will let you go and search for a softer target (the ones that give out 10 rmb ;-) )

I have seen Hong Kong guys let them approach, and pretend they don't see them coming. When the kid gets very close, the HK guy will suddenly turn around, get right into the kid's face and scream at the top of his lungs. Kid lets him go, because they don't want to deal with weirdos like that.

[Wadman]

On Changan - ALL the gals are quite required to strip - whilst the above "classes" of gals are at the Plutocrat/Fuhao (Seamonger - please note - its the same!) applies.

Last night I was over at Shatou with WAD, OAH, HAD and ABC - and saw how WAD would not let these Beatches get away with anything. Not quite sure what to make out of the incident, but WAD's gal was giving him a bit of attitude whilst dancing naked... and he promptly threw her bare ass and clothing out the door! I KNOW that this is what locals would do - but it was 'refreshing' to see that us ISG'ers also will not take sh..t from these gals!

Prompt apologies from the manager accompanied by tearful pleading by the gal followed - which was followed by a parade of all the gals that was still available then.

And the bill for the night's proceedings? RMB 833 plus the RMB 100 + 67 tip for the KDJ and we ended paying $250 each (OAH left early). And again, we had all the bells and jingles and lots to eat and drink.

SEAJ

Well, OK, I guess I owe the participants an explanation for "ruining their KTV night".

Things that happened in the KTV room:
- girl was very reluctant to take her bra off. Had to wrestle her for about a minute before she relented. She soon put it back on.
- Since I don't smoke, I told her not to smoke. Same shit. She waits until I am not looking and then lights up.
- During naked gyrating part, she drop my shorts (and underwear). Which is perfectly fine, since it gives me the perfect excuse to strip her panties off too. Same story again... after a minute struggle she relented, only to put panties back on real soon. She then played coquettish, and ran away, wanting me to chase her around ktv room. I didn't move, and motion to her to come over. After a couple of times of this, I had enough. Told her to get the fuck out of the room. She of course started backing down, making excuses, saying that she knows she was wrong, etc. Tried to hug me, but I told her to just get the fuck out. She tried to hug me again, I told her not to touch me. After a couple of times of this, I gave her a shove and that's how she landed on the couch.

Had the temerity to ask me for her 200 rmb sitting fee. I told her no fucking way. She then asked for 100, since she has been with me "for so long" - about 2 hours. I told her no fucking way.

This may be acceptable in CP, but it's not the standard in CA. Afterwards, I had a chat with the manager, told him I had not paid the girl anything, and asked him if he wanted me to pay the sitting fee. He declined. I think he knew I would never go back if he had accepted the money.

Perhaps this could have been handled differently, instead of me blowing up on the girl. On another occasion (same KTV too), the girl was also reluctant in the touchy/feely department. So I told her in no uncertain terms to shape up, or she can leave. She did (shape up, that is), I took her overnight and everything worked out just fine.

But anyway, I do want to apologize to the other participants in the room: SEA Joe, Horny Asian Dog, and ABCinLA. But then...! Think of the stories you can tell afterwards.

[SE Asia Joe]

Well, OK, I guess I owe the participants an explanation for "ruining their KTV night".


But anyway, I do want to apologize to the other participants in the room: SEA Joe, Horny Asian Dog, and ABCinLA. But then...! Think of the stories you can tell afterwards.
Hell NO - you don't owe me no apology or even explanation! In fact, you've already gotten/going to again get my Kudos!!

See guys - that's how it should be. NO acting like a BSD, no flashing money or need to show them you're a big shot who's gonna be splashing money around..... just get the respect and service that you deserve and deserve FAIRLY!

On the other hand...... Jeez... we did havea helluva time trying to get into a sauna round CA that afternoon didn't we??!!

OK Guys - best we warn you if you're planning a sojourn into CA these next couple or so weeks. 3 saunas we went to..... and none would risk providing FS - The strike hard campaign around the Oct 1 National day is really putting the religion into CA!

We had to resort to going to the Parkview Hotel (1 Jinxiu rd, CA) and their RMB268 or 328 rooms plus the 500 or 600 fee for the gal. I was all ready to go and do a 500 gal till OAH told me - shit - that's BBS quality...which right away just knocked the wind/all enthusiasm from me.

But did that stop ole OAH and Horny Dawg from going ahead also??? NO is the answer and away they went whilst WAD, ABC and I forlornly sought out the overpriced footie. And guess what??!! OAH and Dawg both came out all enthused and extolling the "best in a decade" servicing they just received. Damn! Why the hell did I just not ignore OAH's remarks? Oh well!!

So guys - if it was as good as OAH and Dawg described - it may well be worth it for you to consider this place - even if a bit over-priced. I know I certainly will the next time I get up there.

SEAJ

[Ron8888]

Will be in Guangdong for the entire month of October and early Nov traveling between CP, CA, GZ, and SZ. Anyone like to hangout together for KTV or Sauna, just PM me. Would like to explore Zhuhai on this trip too as I have never been there before.

[SE Asia Joe]

seaj,

keeping control of the bill is always handled by someone else. i don't speak the language and i am not familiar with the various charges and freebies and whatever else. i just pay my share of whatever the bill was at the end of the evening. the guys in my group who handle the bill are also very knowledgable and i don't think they are being taken for a ride. in fact we know the manager of fuhao very well as we are regulars. seamonger
thanks for the compliment - and i know i'm probably gonna get "creamed" by quite a few guys here with my reply. but take it easy before you guys do cream me ok??? and think about it for a while before you do so......please???!!

how many times have i been with guys who tells me that they know the manager and will get vip treatment and the best gals and...... whatever.
ok, he makes the reservations and gets there with the manager practically on his knees welcoming and thanking and making a big show of giving us the vip treatment. of course vip treatment as this manager knows that our "leader" is a bsd!! snap that, bark here, clap the hands - and everything appears magically. oh wow - real vip treatment!! and this continues.... whilst the manager makes everybody in the ktv know that he's got a vip! (read that sucker!!). and what does the vip get? yeah, the same gals, the same drinks/snacks and the same....everything. but all of it is gonna get charged, and wasted and thrown down the drain and all sorts of minions coming in and giving face to our vip leader! yippee, yeah, clap clap - partying like a rock star.... or just a dumb sucker?? like i said, i've been many times to lavish do's at ktv's clubs etc past three decades - and great, if it was paid for totally by the host. and this happens quite often in china and asia as a whole - where one guy will foot the bill just to give his guests the vip treatment. but in our case, we're all chipping in our share of the cost!!

and for what?? for our "leader" to get the vip treatment?? thanks but no thanks - i'd rather be a nobody who gets a fair treatment or better still - follow a "leader" who really does know what he's doing and gets fair treatment. wadman is a very good example of who i'm talking about - but you yourself should try to figure out who's a good "leader" or one who's got such a big ego as to want to show everybody how important he is..... but making you share the cost!!

ain't nuthin wrong with partying and sparing no expenses - but the thing is that you must make sure that those are expenses you want and have ordered. not add ons, waste, being screwed, being taken advantage of. and this is what happens with all these supposed vip's and guys who "knows" the manager. bs, total bs - these managers are nothing more than sharks in nice dark suits waiting just waiting for the next vip (sucker)! think about it - every rmb 200 you save is the cost of one more bbs gal - and how many of you've had to over-pay more than 200?

seaj

[Weelock]

Red Tag - on the rag; Single number - ready to go but will not strip in the room (but you many times can 'convince them" to do so). Double numbers are those who will definitelys strip...and go with you and they only cost an extra 50 = RMB 250 to sit with you. 5 and 8 applies still though.

On Changan - ALL the gals are quite required to strip - whilst the above "classes" of gals are at the Plutocrat/Fuhao (Seamonger - please note - its the same!) applies.

Last night I was over at Shatou with WAD, OAH, HAD and ABC - and saw how WAD would not let these Beatches get away with anything. Not quite sure what to make out of the incident, but WAD's gal was giving him a bit of attitude whilst dancing naked... and he promptly threw her bare ass and clothing out the door! I KNOW that this is what locals would do - but it was 'refreshing' to see that us ISG'ers also will not take sh..t from these gals!

-cut-
SEAJ

Hi SEAJ/WAD/OAH/HAD/ABC:

Was WAD girl the only girl that had problems and didn't comply. So the rest of the girls had no problem with getting into birthday suits.

I can wait to flash my pale butt at you guys.

[SE Asia Joe]

Hi SEAJ/WAD/OAH/HAD/ABC:

Was WAD girl the only girl that had problems and didn't comply. All you the rest of the girls had no problem with getting into birthday suits.

I can wait to flash my pale butt at your guys.
Eat your heart out Weelock!!

SEAJ

[Daft Boy]

Any of you guys in CP between 15th and 20th of October?? This Irish Daft Boy will be in CP at this time alone and would love to give the KTV a go. In all the times I have been to China I never got the chance to visit a KTV mainly because I travel alone and they don't really welcome one guy alone.
I have a friend joining me at some stage in CP but he thinks he is staying there for the cheap hotel !!!!!!!!! it would never cross his mind that girls are on the cards.

[Pleasure Dude]

Hey wadman,

You actually did the right thing with that girl and I would have done the same. She was giving you an attitude problem that no paying customer should take. Hopefully that incident didn't spoil the rest of the night for you guys. I will be back in China during the canton fair period and I hope to see some of you gentlemen in town.

PD




Well, OK, I guess I owe the participants an explanation for "ruining their KTV night".

Things that happened in the KTV room:
- girl was very reluctant to take her bra off. Had to wrestle her for about a minute before she relented. She soon put it back on.
- Since I don't smoke, I told her not to smoke. Same shit. She waits until I am not looking and then lights up.
- During naked gyrating part, she drop my shorts (and underwear). Which is perfectly fine, since it gives me the perfect excuse to strip her panties off too. Same story again... after a minute struggle she relented, only to put panties back on real soon. She then played coquettish, and ran away, wanting me to chase her around ktv room. I didn't move, and motion to her to come over. After a couple of times of this, I had enough. Told her to get the fuck out of the room. She of course started backing down, making excuses, saying that she knows she was wrong, etc. Tried to hug me, but I told her to just get the fuck out. She tried to hug me again, I told her not to touch me. After a couple of times of this, I gave her a shove and that's how she landed on the couch.

Had the temerity to ask me for her 200 rmb sitting fee. I told her no fucking way. She then asked for 100, since she has been with me "for so long" - about 2 hours. I told her no fucking way.

This may be acceptable in CP, but it's not the standard in CA. Afterwards, I had a chat with the manager, told him I had not paid the girl anything, and asked him if he wanted me to pay the sitting fee. He declined. I think he knew I would never go back if he had accepted the money.

Perhaps this could have been handled differently, instead of me blowing up on the girl. On another occasion (same KTV too), the girl was also reluctant in the touchy/feely department. So I told her in no uncertain terms to shape up, or she can leave. She did (shape up, that is), I took her overnight and everything worked out just fine.

But anyway, I do want to apologize to the other participants in the room: SEA Joe, Horny Asian Dog, and ABCinLA. But then...! Think of the stories you can tell afterwards.

[OldAsiaHand]

They seem to target laowai more. The must think we are a softer touch. I use a variation of the Hong Kong approach by raising my voice (firm, but not screaming) telling them not to touch me and get lost. I let the girl fend for herself too when they pull that grabbing her leg bulls**t. They can be very pesistent buggers if you don't put your foot down. After awhile, some of them will not even approach you once they know you and your position.

Just my POV.

OAH




Hmm... giving beggars/urchins/singers money "just to get rid of them" is the wrong thing to do. IMO anyway. This will encourage more of them. And they will surely target YOU again next time. After all, they know you will give them money.

The way I deal with the little urchins is to grab both arms roughly... um, I mean firmly... pull them apart to break the grip, and give them a bit of a shove that will knock them on their ass. Just enough to send a message. After that, they will let you go and search for a softer target (the ones that give out 10 rmb ;-) )

I have seen Hong Kong guys let them approach, and pretend they don't see them coming. When the kid gets very close, the HK guy will suddenly turn around, get right into the kid's face and scream at the top of his lungs. Kid lets him go, because they don't want to deal with weirdos like that.

[OldAsiaHand]

We had to resort to going to the Parkview Hotel (1 Jinxiu rd, CA) and their RMB268 or 328 rooms plus the 500 or 600 fee for the gal. I was all ready to go and do a 500 gal till OAH told me - shit - that's BBS quality...which right away just knocked the wind/all enthusiasm from me.

But did that stop ole OAH and Horny Dawg from going ahead also??? NO is the answer and away they went whilst WAD, ABC and I forlornly sought out the overpriced footie. And guess what??!! OAH and Dawg both came out all enthused and extolling the "best in a decade" servicing they just received. Damn! Why the hell did I just not ignore OAH's remarks? Oh well!!

So guys - if it was as good as OAH and Dawg described - it may well be worth it for you to consider this place - even if a bit over-priced. I know I certainly will the next time I get up there.

SEAJ

SEAJ,

Sorry I burst your bubble, but a lot of the girls we saw were no better than BBS quality. I got lured by the big rack and cute face on the one I did.

I would not say "best in a decade", but the service was what you should expect from a high-end sauna. There was no 12-18 step process which I believe to be too mechanical and ruins the flow anyway. Standard fare included; shower with BBBJ and body to body massage, more BBBJ with AR on the bed (the vibrator was a nice touch, no pun intended) , FS in multiple positions and first pop. A bit of pretty decent massage (unusual) to get you ready for round 2 and the second pop which was BBBJCIM. She cleans you up again in the shower, get dressed and off you go. 2 hour session. The good thing about saunas is that the girls know you have 2 hours so there is no rush as with many BBS girls. I assume they get a fair amount of laowai since it is a 5 star hotel so they girls are used to serving foreigners. Generally speaking, not always, the sauna girls are better skilled. Yes, 868 RMB is a chunk of change, when you consider you can do 4-5 BBS girls for the same money, however, that is the going rate at these 5 star sauna joints in many parts of Guangdong, Zhuhai and CP excepted due to more competition.

Just my POV.

OAH

[Moody]

Man, I go away for a couple months and you get into all sorts of trouble......

I gotta say though, I think I had a girl like that the last time I was there, but I had like..... 3 or 4 girls with me that night so I didn't really notice. You might remember her, she had the tattoo and the under the lip piercing. I think next time I go there, I'll try to get her again so i can biyach her out.


WAPEC,

I think you tried to send me a PM, but my mailbox was full, it's ok now so send away....




Well, OK, I guess I owe the participants an explanation for "ruining their KTV night".

Things that happened in the KTV room:
- girl was very reluctant to take her bra off. Had to wrestle her for about a minute before she relented. She soon put it back on.
- Since I don't smoke, I told her not to smoke. Same shit. She waits until I am not looking and then lights up.
- During naked gyrating part, she drop my shorts (and underwear). Which is perfectly fine, since it gives me the perfect excuse to strip her panties off too. Same story again... after a minute struggle she relented, only to put panties back on real soon. She then played coquettish, and ran away, wanting me to chase her around ktv room. I didn't move, and motion to her to come over. After a couple of times of this, I had enough. Told her to get the fuck out of the room. She of course started backing down, making excuses, saying that she knows she was wrong, etc. Tried to hug me, but I told her to just get the fuck out. She tried to hug me again, I told her not to touch me. After a couple of times of this, I gave her a shove and that's how she landed on the couch.

Had the temerity to ask me for her 200 rmb sitting fee. I told her no fucking way. She then asked for 100, since she has been with me "for so long" - about 2 hours. I told her no fucking way.

This may be acceptable in CP, but it's not the standard in CA. Afterwards, I had a chat with the manager, told him I had not paid the girl anything, and asked him if he wanted me to pay the sitting fee. He declined. I think he knew I would never go back if he had accepted the money.

Perhaps this could have been handled differently, instead of me blowing up on the girl. On another occasion (same KTV too), the girl was also reluctant in the touchy/feely department. So I told her in no uncertain terms to shape up, or she can leave. She did (shape up, that is), I took her overnight and everything worked out just fine.

But anyway, I do want to apologize to the other participants in the room: SEA Joe, Horny Asian Dog, and ABCinLA. But then...! Think of the stories you can tell afterwards.

[SE Asia Joe]

SEAJ,

Sorry I burst your bubble, but a lot of the girls we saw were no better than BBS quality. I got lured by the big rack and cute face on the one I did.

Yes, 868 RMB is a chunk of change, when you consider you can do 4-5 BBS girls for the same money, however, that is the going rate at these 5 star sauna joints in many parts of Guangdong, Zhuhai and CP excepted due to more competition.

Just my POV.

OAH
No Probs - there's always a next time!
And as for the 868 - yes its a lot of change - but that IS what the going rate there and a such....
Got a question though - the charges these days for other similar "facilities" in Dongguan as the Parkview. If I remember correctly, the last time I was at the Jia Hua in front of the exhibition center and at the Cinese (last year) - I believe the "all in" prices was around the RMB 600. Is it still the same at these places and others like the Sheraton. Also, anybody hear anythin about the new Hyatt Regency? Anything going on there or is it all Apple Pie and veggie there?
SEAJ

[Wadman]

Man, I go away for a couple months and you get into all sorts of trouble......

I gotta say though, I think I had a girl like that the last time I was there, but I had like..... 3 or 4 girls with me that night so I didn't really notice. You might remember her, she had the tattoo and the under the lip piercing. I think next time I go there, I'll try to get her again so i can biyach her out.


Well, again, by CP standards her behaviour was just fine. But this was not CP, it was CA. The KTV and their rooms are not the newest or best smelling. The girls are not the prettiest, selection is smaller too. And the place is a bit out of the way. So the only reason why I (and others too, I am sure) go to a KTV like this is because the girls are more fun. This girl obviously did not like to be touched. But that's her problem, not mine.

[Wadman]

SEAJ,

Sorry I burst your bubble, but a lot of the girls we saw were no better than BBS quality. I got lured by the big rack and cute face on the one I did.


I think I see a pattern here. SEA Joe and OAH walk into a BBS, they both like the same girl. Joe pips the girl from OAH by telling her that he is a laowai with a huge dick.

Joe and OAH looking at sauna lineups. OAH decides to eliminate the competition (one of them anyway) by saying that the quality is no more than BBS while the price is much higher.

And anyway, sauna girls are not so much about looks, but service. Generally speaking, in terms of looks, sauna girls are about the same as BBS girls, if that.

[Santa]

They seem to target laowai more. The must think we are a softer touch. I use a variation of the Hong Kong approach by raising my voice (firm, but not screaming) telling them not to touch me and get lost. I let the girl fend for herself too when they pull that grabbing her leg bulls**t. They can be very pesistent buggers if you don't put your foot down. After awhile, some of them will not even approach you once they know you and your position.

Just my POV.

OAH.

I agree it's bullshit.

My understanding is that these kids are controlled by nearby adults who reward and punish them. They are kept out at all hours of the night and forced to beg, plead, sell flowers, strum toy guitars, do tricks, grab legs or steal.

I think it's best not to cooperate and not reinforce this behavior.

If a kid grabs your girl's leg, or your leg, do not reward the behaviour with money.

[OldAsiaHand]

SEAJ:

Last time I was at the Sheraton sauna, the most expensive were 900 RMB. They had cheaper but I can't remember the prices exactly; but they were between 600-800 RMB. They wear different colors to distinguish the price.

I remember paying 700 RMB at the Jia Hua, but it could of been a laowai surcharge or just higher during a trade fair. I found this place less laowai friendly than the Sheraton.

I have never tried the Cinese (Moody?) or Hyatt saunas.

OAH


No Probs - there's always a next time!
And as for the 868 - yes its a lot of change - but that IS what the going rate there and a such....
Got a question though - the charges these days for other similar "facilities" in Dongguan as the Parkview. If I remember correctly, the last time I was at the Jia Hua in front of the exhibition center and at the Cinese (last year) - I believe the "all in" prices was around the RMB 600. Is it still the same at these places and others like the Sheraton. Also, anybody hear anythin about the new Hyatt Regency? Anything going on there or is it all Apple Pie and veggie there?
SEAJ

[SE Asia Joe]

.

I agree it's bullshit.

My understanding is that these kids are controlled by nearby adults who reward and punish them. They are kept out at all hours of the night and forced to beg, plead, sell flowers, strum toy guitars, do tricks, grab legs or steal.

I think it's best not to cooperate and not reinforce this behavior.

If a kid grabs your girl's leg, or your leg, do not reward the behaviour with money.
Hey Santa:

Remember the last time we were on the street having your usual 2 A.M. beer at that restarant in front of the Lucky?

Remember we had all these kids around us - playing, arguing, fighting over some scrap of food whilst waiting, waiting and waiting some more to pounce on the next unsuspecting passer by? And remember how the 'adults' were controlling and giving them orders on who to pounce on?

The above is a scene I will long remember and want to pass on to the rest of you guys. As Santa said, these kids are ALL controlled by adults - and Fagin aint nuthin' compared to these blood suckers.

My heart of course feels so sorry for these kids - but really.... what is there to do? What REALLY is there to do? One aspect of CP I truly hate. Like a raw wound being opened each time I see these kids. How can human beings be so cruel?

China, yes I love China - but there are also sooooo many things I hate about it.

SEAJ

[OldAsiaHand]

SEAJ:

Did I spell that right? Your contributions to this forum have been invaluable. Keep it up? In more ways than one!

OAH

[OldAsiaHand]

I think I see a pattern here. SEA Joe and OAH walk into a BBS, they both like the same girl. Joe pips the girl from OAH by telling her that he is a laowai with a huge dick.

I am going to do that one with the glasses tomorrow. I will drop my drawers and show her my didi first. I know it's acceptable since Wadman's KTV girl in CA pulled it out last week and told HAD's girl that it wasn't too big. Unfortunate for me, lucky for Miss Glasses.

OAH

[Wapec]

Worked for me last time I was in CA so go for it ! Got nothing to loose and everything to gain :)

\W


I am going to do that one with the glasses tomorrow. I will drop my drawers and show her my didi first. I know it's acceptable since Wadman's KTV girl in CA pulled it out last week and told HAD's girl that it wasn't too big. Unfortunate for me, lucky for Miss Glasses.

OAH

[Wapec]

OAH
I'm starving and being slowly whipped to death. PM me with the details ...... Wapec is about to ride again !!!!

As for those other geezers, SEAJ & Wadman, I break into a sweat everytime you send me a SMS. I've gone cold turkey and you send me details of your exploits while I'm stuck in the office solving some puzzle that a nitwit on the other side of the planet messed up. Imagine it folks ...... SMS comes in:
1) Best time ever
2) Come join us
3) BBBJ & CIM
4) AR
5) Young and nubile
6) She is a fucking gymnast
7) Are you queer ?
8) Er yes boss I'm doing it right away ...... kiss ass kiss ass

Arrrgghhhhhhhh its more than any prevert can possibly be expected to take ;)

FYI - life is all about ass - kiss it or kick it :) JMPOV \W



I would not say "best in a decade", but the service was what you should expect from a high-end sauna................ 2 hour session. The good thing about saunas is that the girls know you have 2 hours so there is no rush as with many BBS girls. I assume they get a fair amount of laowai since it is a 5 star hotel so they girls are used to serving foreigners.

[Wapec]

I fainted and passed out. The thought was too much for me. Wheelock, the gals says you're their favourite sausage jockey in CP.
\W


I can wait to flash my pale butt at you guys.

[Wapec]

SEAJ
I love (in a totally non gay way go screw your yourselves wankers if you're thinking differently) you're like an older brother, a teacher of men..... no, dare I say it, a SEER. Don't be dissin' me. I'll make up for lost time soon enough. Then let's see who is playing catch up ...... the student becomes the teacher little grasshopper ;) For the moment, its Proud Mary and her five knuckle sisters for me ........ Expect to be bugged come this Friday.

Hey, I bought myself one of them new 5MP phone camera's. Damn they're complicated. Been fecking teaching myself how to use it all week. Girlies here I cum and you'll be on candid camera :)....... Picking up my Vit C shipment this Thursday from my dependable local pharmacy; rubbers already refreshed along with discrete KY tube. Mobile phone card topped up too.

Follow the yellow brick road, follow the yellow brick road ..... damn, reminds me to find my red shoes to get back to Kansas; Kansas China that is.
\W


Whinge-ing again!! FORCRIZAKES - get yourself some pussy already huh?!
IMHO
SEAJ

[Wadman]

As for those other geezers, SEAJ & Wadman, I break into a sweat everytime you send me a SMS. I've gone cold turkey and you send me details of your exploits while I'm stuck in the office solving some puzzle that a nitwit on the other side of the planet messed up. Imagine it folks ...... SMS comes in:
1) Best time ever
2) Come join us
3) BBBJ & CIM
4) AR
5) Young and nubile
6) She is a fucking gymnast
7) Are you queer ?
8) Er yes boss I'm doing it right away ...... kiss ass kiss ass

Arrrgghhhhhhhh its more than any prevert can possibly be expected to take ;)


Wapec,

Since you asked so nicely about what we are doing with our time here in China...

Met up with SEA Joe, OAH, MaxKwalidy (?) and a French guy on Sunday in CP.

Round1: after searching the BBSs long and hard, decided to get one of the mommies to call a girl I had done a week before. This was her day off. She was out shopping. She wanted to stay out for another hour. Mommie pressured her into promising to show up in 20 minutes. She showed up in 35 minutes. Really cute and sweet girl, the first time I had her anyway. But I guess she was ticked off because she had to cut her shopping short. Forgettable experience. She had the nerve to ask for taxi money (from Swanlake hotel), I said no. Note to self: don't call in any BBS girls in on their off days (especially if they are out shopping), don't wake up any sauna girls before their shift starts.

After that we went to the Swanlake KTV. Unbefuckinglievably enough they did not have regular TsingTao (the most common beer in southern China). They only had TsingTao draft. So they said. This is like a Chinese restaurant saying they don't have white rice. I made some eyes and asked a couple of times for emphasis. But the others were OK with TsingTao draft, so that's what we went with. Personally, I was tempted to walk out of the place unless they serve us regular TsingTao. I am sure they will magically find some. The DJs/KTV probably makes more commission from selling TsingTao draft. No regular TsingTao, my (well-rimmed) ass!

We grabbed 2 girls each to sit with us. Stayed from 7 - 12 midnight. Most of us are light drinkers, with maybe 1 exception. The bill came to only 250 rmb each. Yes! You read that right, only 250 rmb each! And that includes the tips to the DJs. SEA Joe was the treasurer for the night because nobody else can be bothered and also because he is the stingiest. As usual, Joe did an excellent job questioning every item on the bill, and rapping the knuckles of the DJs if they wanted to pour beer down the drain.

Round2: took an assistant mommy back from Swanlake KTV. The title "assistant mommy" needs to be taken with a large grain of salt. She was fun enough, lots of BBBJ, AR, FJ, condom off, more BBBJ, finally CIM although she did spit it out pretty quick.

Round3: washed up and, rested about half an hour. Pretty much the same thing again. BBBJ, AR, FJ, BBBJ, CIM. She screamed and ran to the bathroom this time when CIMed. Sheesh...you would think she would be getting used to it.

[OldAsiaHand]

Glasses was not at Baby's shop during our chicken run yesterday. I pulled a farm fresh newcomer from Jo Jo's shop. BTW, where is Jo Jo? Would you believe that newcomer had a big rack? She was sweet as candy and I could not resist a little DATY. She went nuts. I think it might have been her first time. BBBJ skills were lacking, but the soft moaning when I stuck it in was priceless. She wanted LT, but I had to blow her off to meet the boys for KTV. She did try to get me for 150RMB, but I stayed firm at 100 RMB. BSDs take note.

Now, the loss of face part. I picked a couple of duds at Swan Lake KTV. One Sichuan girl with, guess again, a big rack and a pencil thin spinner with a white powder plastered face. Neither of them could get me going. SEAJ graciously offered me one of his girls who did the trick for me so I sent the 2 duds walking. Back at the hotel, she started discussing didi sizes. Although she said most HK mongers she sees have relatively smaller didis, she blessed me with the rude awakening that SEAJ's was the same size as mine.

Now here's a guy going around scaring off BBS girls telling them I am hung like a horse with the same size didi in his pants. Go figure.

OAH

P.S. She also told me that one of her friends told her that she did a laowai one time with a huge dick and he did her for an hour nonstop. Finally, she just gave up and split, sore as hell with no money. She couldn't work for a week afterwards. No wonder our reputation precedes us. That story must be working its way through all the BBS in CP since I am seeing more and more girls scared of laowais. Morale of the story, drop your drawers and show them the merchandise to alleviate the fear.



Worked for me last time I was in CA so go for it ! Got nothing to loose and everything to gain :)

\W

[SE Asia Joe]

Swanlake KTV. Unbefuckinglievably enough they did not have regular TsingTao
We grabbed 2 girls each to sit with us. Stayed from 7 - 12 midnight. Most of us are light drinkers, with maybe 1 exception. The bill came to only 250 rmb each. Yes! You read that right, only 250 rmb each! And that includes the tips to the DJs. SEA Joe was the treasurer for the night because nobody else can be bothered and also because he is the stingiest. As usual, Joe did an excellent job questioning every item on the bill, and rapping the knuckles of the DJs if they wanted to pour beer down the drain.

Round2: finally CIM although she did spit it out pretty quick.

Round3: BBBJ, AR, FJ, BBBJ, CIM. She screamed and ran to the bathroom this time when CIMed. Sheesh...you would think she would be getting used to it.


SEAJ graciously offered me one of his girls who did the trick for me so I sent the 2 duds walking. Back at the hotel, she started discussing didi sizes. Although she said most HK mongers she sees have relatively smaller didis, she blessed me with the rude awakening that SEAJ's was the same size as mine.

Now here's a guy going around scaring off BBS girls telling them I am hung like a horse with the same size didi in his pants. Go figure.

OAH.

SEAJ
. Don't be dissin' me. I'll make up for lost time soon enough. Then let's see who is playing catch up ...... the student becomes the teacher little grasshopper ;) \W

Yeee Gott!!! Ya' ole ladies doth complain lots dontcha??

come on guys - 5 hours, 5 guys, 10 Gals, 2 DJ's and our sexy Mommie entertaining us with her gyrations - topped off with POP POP POP to round off the evening?? And as much beer (Tsing tao draft!) as we wanna drink (errrr.... I still got a voucher for 3 bottles), all that wasted rice, noodles, congee and whatever else. Come on.... admit it....all them tits and bums surrounding you all evening round spoilt y'all.
Wadman - So she ran off to the bathroom after having a double shot of your jism - errrrr.... so???
And talk about penis envy, OAH - did she tell you that she was convinced that I had an ambidexterous tool?
And you Wapec .... yours is a case of Pussy envy - you ain't getting any and we all are!!

We are al united in pussy land ain't we - and at the end of it all, please comment - N.B.A.A.!! Not Bad At All huh, not bad at all!!

SEAJ

[Moody]

SEAJ:

Last time I was at the Sheraton sauna, the most expensive were 900 RMB. They had cheaper but I can't remember the prices exactly; but they were between 600-800 RMB. They wear different colors to distinguish the price.

I remember paying 700 RMB at the Jia Hua, but it could of been a laowai surcharge or just higher during a trade fair. I found this place less laowai friendly than the Sheraton.

I have never tried the Cinese (Moody?) or Hyatt saunas.

OAH

It's been a while since I was at the Sheraton sauna, but the starting fee was 400 and it topped out at 800. Cinese was 400, but the last two times I was there, I had the girl come to my room instead of going downstairs, IIRC, they charged me something like 260 "room fee"... Whatever...

The last time I was at the Jiahua sauna, they had an "all night" offer. I'm not sure if they still do this since it was like..... 3 years ago. But you could get a sauna girl all night for 800, which is what I did. That evening was one of those weird story nights.... I got a call at 2AM (while mid bonk in the sauna) from a friend telling me I gotta be in Shenzhen right away, so I had to leave. Turns out though, I had to pay the girl the full 800. Since I was only with the girl about... 30 minutes, I tried to get a discount, but it seems once you agree to LT, you gotta pay the LT rate no matter what... I eventually talked her down to 600 and left.

[SE Asia Joe]

OK guys - here's the low down.... Our beloved CP gals needs your loving and....clientelle.

We did the grand tour of all the Yalan BBS's yesterday and discovered not only full rooms, but also a great variety on offer.... all just sitting around with Zilch customers!

Both gals I did yesterday complained that business has been the shits of late; I was their only client all day and Fri/Sat, one had 1 client while the other struck out totally. Unbelievable they told me - never happened before! so guys - get out there and do your duty to our beloved gals. Fast!!

BTW - I think I've entered the hallowed halls of the preverts: - the first gal I did was a recent divorcee who has an 11 months old baby - who she had just left with her parents at home. Anyway, as I was doing my usual ministrations on her breast, I tasted "something" and Lo and behold..... it was..... MILK!!! Eureka - my own private supply of non-melamine-tainted Milk in China! And she really had huge mammaries (for a pic of how bloated her boobs were - look in the foto gallery) which produced soooooooo much of the sweet nectar that I was practically bloated by the time I got done with her. Cain't hardly believe that I would even like the taste never mind actually gulping it all down....but on the other hand, you should see how my skin glows today!!

After we were done, I actually felt quite sorry for this good looking gal who life seems to have dealt a bitter blow to. I mean, here she is, a whole 21 year old already divorced and raising a kid on her own by having to sell her body. Anyway when she was at the door with my usual RMB130 (her 100 fee plus 30 taxi fee), I actually told her to close the door and then proceeded to give her an extra 100. Ohmigawd - I got struck with the dreaded BSD syndrome!!

SEAJ

Ps. Another tid-bit of info on Ms. Milk - she actually also works at night at PP disco - and thus reconfirming my statements to all these unbelievers that the the BBS are NOT only for KTV rejects/that you get as high a quality here. Also, the fact that she's actually working so hard as to even moonlight at the BBS whilst working at PP disco is what moved me to make an exception and be a BSD

[Wapec]

When I was last in CP the folks at JoJo's shop said she went home. I didn't think much about it until i was at the Clipper KTV and Sandy confirmed that things went down the swanny and JoJo upped and went home. She didn't think she would be back for a while.

Pity JoJo was doable. Plus she was kinda sweet in a hardened kinda way.
\W


BTW, where is Jo Jo?

[Wapec]

Penis envy ..... I know what it feel slike but I ain't feeling anybody's penis. Especially, after the plea from SEAJ ..... my gals miss me. Have rang a few already and am keen to put a new harem together.
They're gagging for it and so am I ;) Time to shave didi, wax my ass and perm my pubes :)
\Wapec rides again !!!!


Wapec, Since you asked so nicely about what we are doing with our time here in China...

[Threeway]

Arrived GZ on a Thursday afternoon, took a cab to the GZE Railstation to catch the train to CP. In tow. The groom to be and a fellow buddy. A small congregation and hopefully an unforgetable trip for the man.

CP

Armed with the information helpfully provided by some of the friends on board, we proceeded to head to our destination in full anticipation. We finally reached our destination after a 8 hour journey including flight, train and taxis. The body was still willing but the mind was starting to wane abit from the lack of sleep (as we were all busy cramming in work to get the weekend guilt free). Having had a total of only 3 hours of sleep for the past two days and a long flight, I was starting to feel the strain abit. But I wasn't gonna let this spoil the party. I'l let my body take a beating for now.

Checked in to the HH, did a quick wash up. It was already 4pm. Checked with the boys on their status and they wanted something to loosen up the tight muscles. Went to the basement of the HH hotel for a much needed foot massage. Proper, no hanky panky.

After the footie, we decided to head to the famed virgin spa. Captain showed us the costume lineups. The stud for the evening picked a nice schoolgirl look and headed up while me and my bud went through 2 rounds before getting our picks of the office ladies. It was heavenly pleasure for the 2 hours. The whole nine yard full routine with the steambath, washup, bodyworks and two shots.

Everyone was happy but we were starting to feel the effects abit with the lack of sleep and long travelling time.

Decided we needed to replenish our energy and went to the little lamb for a nice round of spicy steamboat and beer. We decided against the KTV since we have missed the "window" period where you have your best choices. Told the boy's we'l make it up the next night.

Having our stomach recharged and with a couple of dvd's in hand, we went back to the hotel, passing by some mommies handing our cards about showing us some girls. We rejected it naturally. Having just blown 2 loads each and with a full stomach.

Put on the newly bought DVD's and next thing I knew, I was woken up by the phone ringing. Shit. Had fallen asleep. If the phone did not ring I would have woken only the next day. A quick look at the clock. It was midnight. "Helloo. " I asked. "Yo mate. Erm. You wanna take a look at some girls? " I was like. "huh? . Where? " "Come over to my room matey. The girls are here now. " Said the soon to be married stud. I half stumbled over to his room, opened the door and he was naked. And I was like. "Waht do you mean girls? . Where are they? " He jumped onto his bed, flipped the sheets over and viola. Two chicks. I was like. What the hell? ! Where did they come from.

He explained that he wasn; t feeling that tired and wanted to get some snacks after we got back and went downstairs again. And while heading to grab some snacks some "mommy" had pulled him aside and offered him a ride to see some girls. He went, picked one, got one to recommend one and there. 2 Chicks. I checked the damage. 500 each. Overnight. I mentally went through the prices I had come across. And thought. Yea. That was about the rate. Then one of the girls asked me if I wanted to see a line up. And my buddy was egging me on. So I said, sure, but I'm not gonna leave the hotel. She called her mommy and about half an hour later, 5 girls were in the room. I picked a small 4, 11 cutie that resembled a friend of mine. She asked to go to my room, but hell! If this was gonna be unforgetable it's all have to be something straight out of an unrated porno movie. We started the action sometime at 3am.

2 Guys, 3 Girls, 6 caps. You guys can do the permutations yourself.

All I can say is. We didn't get to sleep much till 8am

End of first day: Stud = 04 x pops. Threeway = 03 x pops Buddy= 02 x pops

Ps. We would have had more action if we managed to wake our buddy as well but he couldn't hear us rapping on his door as he was fast asleep!

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[Threeway]

We checked out the second day as we had booked our hotel over at the Royal Garden. We decided to skip doing the KTV thingy in CP and i was actually feeling a bit down because of that and because i asked for help on where and how it actually operated!

We Left CP at around noon time and it was a short ride to Dalang. Havig noticed it was such a short trip, i suggested to the boys that if the placed we went was not up to expectations in DL, we could always head back.

Checked into the Royal Garden. A very nice 5 star hotel. abit pricer than the HH that we stayed in at CP but we could definitely tell the difference.

We really needed a short break there and each took about an hour to freshen up before we made our way down to the spa. Walking in, the manager of the spa brought us to the stage area where they showed us the line up. 4-6-8 and the rooms were 368 for two hours. SLightly pricey but the 6-8 category were definitely slightly better. But imho, i think they put the better looking girls into the 6-8 category on purpose as it would show quite clearly. As i later found out from a conversation with the buddy(he took a 6 category) his chick used to work at the virgin. At the virgin in CP, they were all looking pretty good as they were all in costumes and all were quite decent but as with the 4-6-8, they could put the really shabby ones into the 4 category and they it would appear to the customers that the 6-8 category was definitely of a higher class. But however in fairness, you could say that the sorting was already done on your behalf and to add in another word, the 8 category you could not find in virgin as they were definitely much prettier, taller and more proportionate.

Buddy decided to go for the 6 category and to be honest..i got a really good view of her when she came up to the room. Manageress let us up into the room to see the room to try to help convince us and when my buddy's girl came up, she actually looked really pretty. Room was first class as well. Definitey one of the best spa rooms i have been to but definitely one of the pricest as well.

ME and the stud decided against it, hoping to save it for the KTV later. The manageress heard we were going to the ktv and helped us book a room and she promised to come over for a drink later with us and she did when she ended her shift!

Stud and muah went to the adjoining spa and the facilities there were first class as usual. SLightly pricier that those outside but it was well worth it. A good and interesting hydrotherapy pool and a massage later, it was close to 8pm. Damm we were late again for our KTV...why the hell do we always miss the golden time?!

More to follow...

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[Threeway]

Having missed Jiayi in CP, i wasn;t gonna miss out on any further KTV action. Armed with a slight know how of standard operating procedures from SEAJ (Thanks buddy, but sorry i didn;t get to experience Jiayi..DAMM!) we got into the KTV at Royal garden.

Wow wow..the place was definitely grand. A small room had a minimum charge of 988 or something around that. Not a problem actually. Mommy came in, got to tell us the tipping system, the charges, what's on promo.

2 Categories here.

1)3-8-10
2)5-15-20 (Model)

Definitely an expensive place from my experience but the 3-8-10 were quite good and the 5-15-20 category were real stunners. The mummy did say that we were abit late as most of the girls had already been taken but from what we saw...we picked out some really nice ones..me and my buddy took the model category while the stud took one from the normal category. But on closer inspection, she was in no way less cute that ours...and she mentioned that she was getting promoted to the model category soon.

In the midst of this all, the manageress of the spa came over to have a drink with us..as promised..i was surprised that she did. and the managed did come in quite abit to drink with us. We had some food as well. Total bill including all tips came out to be around 3K RMB. 2700 was for 2 bottles of chivas, 18 bottles of mixers, fruits, 1 plate of snacks, 1 plate chicken wings, 1 plate fries, 1 plate of fried rice, 1 bowl of noodles.

At the end of the night, the Stud wanted to bring his chick back, i asked her but she was on the rag...poor boy was not gonna get any action that night!! buddy decided he didn't want to bring his chick back...but i wasn't gonna miss banging my super stunner and brought her back to my room for 2k. Had 2 pops with her.

(there is a continuation to this little story and i will post this sometime and hopefully some forumers will offer some advice)

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[Aries3288]

Seaj,

Congratulations for passing the 1k posts milestone.

Any direction on how I could locate this lady with untainted milk supply? Would be in Dongguan in mid October and like to do my part in helping her and at the same time get my fill of untained milk.

Cheers!


OK guys. Here's the low down. Our beloved CP gals needs your loving and. Clientelle.

We did the grand tour of all the Yalan BBS's yesterday and discovered not only full rooms, but also a great variety on offer. All just sitting around with Zilch customers!

Both gals I did yesterday complained that business has been the shits of late; I was their only client all day and Fri/Sat, one had 1 client while the other struck out totally. Unbelievable they told me. Never happened before! So guys. Get out there and do your duty to our beloved gals. Fast!

BTW. I think I've entered the hallowed halls of the preverts:. The first gal I did was a recent divorcee who has an 11 months old baby. Who she had just left with her parents at home. Anyway, as I was doing my usual ministrations on her breast, I tasted "something" and Lo and behold. It was. MILK! Eureka. My own private supply of non-melamine-tainted Milk in China! And she really had huge mammaries (for a pic of how bloated her boobs were. Look in the foto gallery) which produced soooooooo much of the sweet nectar that I was practically bloated by the time I got done with her. Cain't hardly believe that I would even like the taste never mind actually gulping it all down. But on the other hand, you should see how my skin glows today!

After we were done, I actually felt quite sorry for this good looking gal who life seems to have dealt a bitter blow to. I mean, here she is, a whole 21 year old already divorced and raising a kid on her own by having to sell her body. Anyway when she was at the door with my usual RMB130 (her 100 fee plus 30 taxi fee), I actually told her to close the door and then proceeded to give her an extra 100. Ohmigawd. I got struck with the dreaded BSD syndrome!

SEAJ

Ps. Another tid-bit of info on Ms. Milk. She actually also works at night at PP disco. And thus reconfirming my statements to all these unbelievers that the the BBS are NOT only for KTV rejects/that you get as high a quality here. Also, the fact that she's actually working so hard as to even moonlight at the BBS whilst working at PP disco is what moved me to make an exception and be a BSD

[SE Asia Joe]

Seaj,

Congratulations for passing the 1k posts milestone.

Any direction on how I could locate this lady with untainted milk supply? Would be in Dongguan in mid October and like to do my part in helping her and at the same time get my fill of untained milk.

Cheers!
Thanks for the congratulations. And that's the spirit.... let's keep our CP gals gainfully employed.

She's Xiao Ping from Guizhou and at present working at that new BBS that replaced the banyan tree and is the first shop after Jojo's as you head into the alley. You can probably spot her quite easily as she's the one with the KTV make-up (which is heavier than the make-ups that the usual bbs gals would apply.)

Enjoy

SEAJ

[SE Asia Joe]

In the midst of this all, the manageress of the spa came over to have a drink with us..as promised..i was surprised that she did. and the managed did come in quite abit to drink with us. We had some food as well. Total bill including all tips came out to be around 3K RMB. 2700 was for 2 bottles of chivas, 18 bottles of mixers, fruits, 1 plate of snacks, 1 plate chicken wings, 1 plate fries, 1 plate of fried rice, 1 bowl of noodles.


Hi Threeway - great reports!! Love the enthusiasm that you guys put into your mission! Three of you - Stud/Groom, Buddy and you only?

Great that you did do your RTFF - and remember - you gotta be careful of all these mommies and managers. I'd say just about all of them are sharks and got no regards at all to any of us punters/can smell fat targets a mile away!
i.e. Do you guys really need "face" and enjoy them giving you such by toasting AND drinking away your booze? Did you guys watch out that half empty drinks/bottles don't get thrown down the drain? Did you authorize (sign-off) everything on the bill or were they the "automatic" add ons? err.. did you guys really enjoy paying RMB3,00 for ONE night?

And the worse mistake of all - how the hell did your mommie slip a gal on the rag to you? You guys MUST determine which gals are OK to go out or not PRIOR to allowing them to sit with you. Slipping such gals to newbies is a favorite trick of these maggots - and really ruins the evening for the hapless punter. They wouldn't dare pull such a stunt with regulars or guys who knows the SOP - but do so with newbies on the premise that they are still expected by their gals to provide some income whilst on the rag.

All I can say is Thank God that she didn't pull another favorite trick of theirs when they hit upon such a situation - that of bait and Switch i.e. Solly solly your girl cannot go out with you but I give you another girl who will. You must pay your first girl her sitting fee, and you only need to pay the ST/LT rate for the second gal. Presto! She just provided income for the gal on the rag and gotten a "whole night's reject by everybody" girl a ST/LT assignment!


so Threeway - you gotta remember all the things we all here been advising you on - OK?

Have a blast guys!!

SEAJ

Ps. You guys drinking expensive whiskies/brandies - please try your best to make sure that the liquor ARE genuine. Counterfeit everything abounds everywhere in China - at best you got cheated but at worse, I've known guys who actually got violently sick from drinking bootleg counterfeits. BEWARE!!

[Pleasure Dude]

Hey SEAJ,

Congratulations on the post milestone. What do you think is the reason causing the slow down in business? are there not as many visitors from HK as before? I am sure business will pickup again next month with the canton fair. On the bright side, you can have all the fine girls all to yourself now. When I arrive next month, I am sure I will be fighting for the girls with the crowd.

cheers,
PD



OK guys - here's the low down.... Our beloved CP gals needs your loving and....clientelle.

We did the grand tour of all the Yalan BBS's yesterday and discovered not only full rooms, but also a great variety on offer.... all just sitting around with Zilch customers!

Both gals I did yesterday complained that business has been the shits of late; I was their only client all day and Fri/Sat, one had 1 client while the other struck out totally. Unbelievable they told me - never happened before! so guys - get out there and do your duty to our beloved gals. Fast!!

BTW - I think I've entered the hallowed halls of the preverts: - the first gal I did was a recent divorcee who has an 11 months old baby - who she had just left with her parents at home. Anyway, as I was doing my usual ministrations on her breast, I tasted "something" and Lo and behold..... it was..... MILK!!! Eureka - my own private supply of non-melamine-tainted Milk in China! And she really had huge mammaries (for a pic of how bloated her boobs were - look in the foto gallery) which produced soooooooo much of the sweet nectar that I was practically bloated by the time I got done with her. Cain't hardly believe that I would even like the taste never mind actually gulping it all down....but on the other hand, you should see how my skin glows today!!

After we were done, I actually felt quite sorry for this good looking gal who life seems to have dealt a bitter blow to. I mean, here she is, a whole 21 year old already divorced and raising a kid on her own by having to sell her body. Anyway when she was at the door with my usual RMB130 (her 100 fee plus 30 taxi fee), I actually told her to close the door and then proceeded to give her an extra 100. Ohmigawd - I got struck with the dreaded BSD syndrome!!

SEAJ

Ps. Another tid-bit of info on Ms. Milk - she actually also works at night at PP disco - and thus reconfirming my statements to all these unbelievers that the the BBS are NOT only for KTV rejects/that you get as high a quality here. Also, the fact that she's actually working so hard as to even moonlight at the BBS whilst working at PP disco is what moved me to make an exception and be a BSD

[Threeway]

yea. it was only the 3 of us, we wanted to get more dudes for the "mission" but the other boys couldn't find excuses to tear themselves away from their commanding officer if you know what i mean.

i do understand the whole deal with the 3k per night drinking session but honestly, we were in such high spirits that i was in no mood to argue to spoil anything on the night. i did do most of the standard operating procedures as advised by you, eg; the signing off, the tipping, what's chargable, and them not pouring away the bottles. but by all accounts, the place we went was abit on the expensive side and that was expected in a way as i've already asked around on what were the estimates for that place from some other people. only item i was abit peeved on was the mommy coming in to drink with us and hell. she drank alot! point taken and noted. will watch out for that in the future. as mentioned in the post as well. we were already late and we didn't wanna end up with nothing at all therefore we just picked the girls without asking if she was ok to go or not. but, noted as well. if a trip like this happens again, i'l be sure to ask. and i'm sure a trip there again will be due soon again: p

perhaps the next time i'm making a trip there i'd drop you a liner and we could do some drinks at the latest, hippest or most naked joint!

cheers and thanks again buddy.


hi threeway - great reports!! love the enthusiasm that you guys put into your mission! three of you - stud/groom, buddy and you only?

great that you did do your rtff - and remember - you gotta be careful of all these mommies and managers. i'd say just about all of them are sharks and got no regards at all to any of us punters/can smell fat targets a mile away!
i.e. do you guys really need "face" and enjoy them giving you such by toasting and drinking away your booze? did you guys watch out that half empty drinks/bottles don't get thrown down the drain? did you authorize (sign-off) everything on the bill or were they the "automatic" add ons? err.. did you guys really enjoy paying rmb3,00 for one night?

and the worse mistake of all - how the hell did your mommie slip a gal on the rag to you? you guys must determine which gals are ok to go out or not prior to allowing them to sit with you. slipping such gals to newbies is a favorite trick of these maggots - and really ruins the evening for the hapless punter. they wouldn't dare pull such a stunt with regulars or guys who knows the sop - but do so with newbies on the premise that they are still expected by their gals to provide some income whilst on the rag.

all i can say is thank god that she didn't pull another favorite trick of theirs when they hit upon such a situation - that of bait and switch i.e. solly solly your girl cannot go out with you but i give you another girl who will. you must pay your first girl her sitting fee, and you only need to pay the st/lt rate for the second gal. presto! she just provided income for the gal on the rag and gotten a "whole night's reject by everybody" girl a st/lt assignment!


so threeway - you gotta remember all the things we all here been advising you on - ok?

have a blast guys!!

seaj

ps. you guys drinking expensive whiskies/brandies - please try your best to make sure that the liquor are genuine. counterfeit everything abounds everywhere in china - at best you got cheated but at worse, i've known guys who actually got violently sick from drinking bootleg counterfeits. beware!!

[SE Asia Joe]

Hey SEAJ,

Congratulations on the post milestone. What do you think is the reason causing the slow down in business? are there not as many visitors from HK as before? I am sure business will pickup again next month with the canton fair. On the bright side, you can have all the fine girls all to yourself now. When I arrive next month, I am sure I will be fighting for the girls with the crowd.

cheers,
PD
Of course I couldn't tell you EXACTLY the reason but I perceive that the global general Financial malaise is probably the reason. I noticed that even the Lok MaChau/Huangang bus and the direct trains to/from HKG/CP/GZ is not as full as even a couple weeks ago.

Another probable reason is the upcoming Oct 1 National day and in years past, this period had been marked by "Strike Hard" campaigns against all vice activities; This year, I even see newspapers noting October 16 as being "D" day for all regular activities to re-start. (Conveniently just before a Friday!!).

Another thing that happened in Longgang/SZ whilst I was at CP past sunday night was that fire that killed 4 guys from HKG alongside scores of local fatalities and injuries. Man - that gave Hong Kong wives the ammunition to lecture their husbands against going into the "dangerous places" in China.

Like I said, one cannot be sure about the real reasons - but I like rolling with the punches and taking advantage of these 'Lulls"

SEAJ

[SE Asia Joe]

yea. it was only the 3 of us,
i do understand the whole deal with the 3k per night drinking session but honestly, we were in such high spirits that i was in no mood to argue to spoil anything on the night. ........ but by all accounts, the place we went was abit on the expensive side and that was expected .......... only item i was abit peeved on was the mommy coming in to drink with us .......... we were already late and we just picked the girls without asking if she was ok to go or not. ..........perhaps the next time i'm making a trip there i'd drop you a liner and we could do some drinks at the latest, hippest or most naked joint!

cheers and thanks again buddy.
thanks for putting up with my "lectures!!"

and i thoroughly understand about not wanting to spoil the mood - something which i've been guilty of committing when i get thoroughly and hopelessly pissed off at how blatant some of these mommies dare to be (when i committed the original error of not already establishing prior to the start of the evening the rules of the night). and let met tell you - and everybody else who cares to listen - that the end of the evening is a lousy time to make a fuss and that there really is not much that one can accomplish then - except of course, ruing the night.

as far as picking the gals - i can also relate to that feeling of - "hell, we're late, there ain't gonna be anythin' better, so lets grab these." but here, a bit of understanding and patience as to what happens at ktv's may be pertinent. first, lots of locals do go to ktv's to entertain or frolic - but i would estimate that the majority of time, these guys will not take the gals out; most of these bsd locals not only have wives but they usually also have their own mistresses and thus..... plus they know that the gals at ktv's are overpriced vs. what they can easily source outside. on the other hand, these locals do get offered the "best stock" in the house and when they leave....welll, these best gets back on the line-ups! add the bsd's who takes 2 or 3 gals to sit but only take 1 out - well..... the gals do come back and you just need a bit of patience and hanging tough.

again thanks for your report. great!!

seaj

[Jayagopal50]

As a minimally Mandarin speaking East Asian, Aftrer reading the board and in touch with SENIOR members vistied CP.

We Started from Macau crossed border and immediately came to CTS BUS counter where we purchased 2 tickets forY150 each. They send an attendant to navigate the Maize at Zhuhai and lead us to the waiting area. With no English signs I think it is impossible to find on your own way first time. Another girl ushered us to the bus when the time approached and the journey took I think 3 hours with one rest stop. Dropped off In centralCP one block from the Miraton where we checked in. Only one girl in front desk spoke english. Rooms were comfortable and I did not see any other non-Chinese during our one night stay. As it was1440 we noticed that Water hotel was across the street and so went over and we both had a great sessions with spinners. Once again very little english was spoken and my basic mandarin was helpful much more than I expected. We later ate the sea food resturant at Miraton and my friend ordered fresh fish and I ate chicken but the bill was over $100US and only drink I had was local beer.

I walked the street around the Miraton and noted that all the hotels and saunas mentioned[on the board] were closeby. I was accosted by a couple of walkers offering girls but I chickened out due to lack of Chinese fluency and the dark alleys. Next morning We booked a taxi to GUANZHOU airport on our way to Beijing. IN SUMMARY "READ THE BOARD" and learn mandarin for some better quality cheap sauna's in Changping[for non-Chinese mongers]

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[Ckckck]

I have been following this particular forum for some time. Great useful information.

I have already visited both yalang and the other street (behind the hotel). I can really see why this place is so popular. It is now Friday and the place is filling up with travellers. I was told to go fairly early during the weekends (4 to 6 p.m.)

I am trying to find the Night Market. I read a previous post which stated that the night market is between the two streets (Yalang and the other). I believe I found the market, walking toward Yalang on the left across from the hospital sign. It is two rows of covered streets (quite long) parallel to each other. The shops appear to close at 9:00 pm., and nothing seems apparent as I walked around. Is this the night market that is referred to, and if it is, which part, because I seem to be missing it.

Thank you

[Fast Eddie 48]

I have been following this particular forum for some time. Great useful information.

I have already visited both yalang and the other street (behind the hotel). I can really see why this place is so popular. It is now Friday and the place is filling up with travellers. I was told to go fairly early during the weekends (4 to 6 p.m.)

I am trying to find the Night Market. I read a previous post which stated that the night market is between the two streets (Yalang and the other). I believe I found the market, walking toward Yalang on the left across from the hospital sign. It is two rows of covered streets (quite long) parallel to each other. The shops appear to close at 9:00 pm., and nothing seems apparent as I walked around. Is this the night market that is referred to, and if it is, which part, because I seem to be missing it.

Thank youto CKCKCK,

I was at the night market last week quality is very poor most bbs actions is around hui mei and lucky hotel area and a few meat wagon at front of lucky and quality is not bad some of the wagon got some ktv girl when the ktv business is slow during the week girl will go out and look for customer so you can do a ktv girl at half price 150 rmb for ST, only stay one night in cp but I stay at dalang with my Hk buddy and have a good time at the club there.

Fast eddie 48

[Wapec]

Bingo you're damn close. On the left hand side of the road as you walk down to the Peninsula from where you described you'll come to an intersection with a bakery on the near side of the road and a bunch of shops as you walk into the side road. Its best to go there after 11 pm.

Remember the price for locals is RmB 130 but for tourists its RmB 150 - not difference in choice or quality just price. Good luck bargaining and think about having a BBQ not just a prime cut at the Meat Market.

\W


I have been following this particular forum for some time. Great useful information.

I have already visited both yalang and the other street (behind the hotel). I can really see why this place is so popular. It is now Friday and the place is filling up with travellers. I was told to go fairly early during the weekends (4 to 6 p.m.)

I am trying to find the Night Market. I read a previous post which stated that the night market is between the two streets (Yalang and the other). I believe I found the market, walking toward Yalang on the left across from the hospital sign. It is two rows of covered streets (quite long) parallel to each other. The shops appear to close at 9:00 pm., and nothing seems apparent as I walked around. Is this the night market that is referred to, and if it is, which part, because I seem to be missing it.

Thank you

[Wadman]

Scam Alert! The BBS shop which used to have Lily, Sandy, Jojo, Angel as mamasans working there is trying very hard for 250 rmb. This is the shop on the second floor above a convenience store, at the back of the Yalan hotel. As none of those mommmies are there anymore, I am christening it "Xiao Mei's BBS". Xiao Mei is one of the current mommies there.

OAH took a girl there a week ago. She tried to get him for 150 rmb afterwards (100 already paid to mommy). OAH, being a battle-hardened veteran, stood firm at 100.

I took a girl on Friday, pretty much the same crap. She insisted afterwards that the total price was 250. Wanted to call her mommy, but she didn't have mommy's number. It took a while before she left. Was quite pissed off too.

A friend took a girl on Friday. Same thing again. He did give her 150 afterwards (for a total of 250).

How about if we give that shop the cold shoulder for a while? While we walk past, we should tell the mommies/runners that we are not going in/up because we don't want to pay 250.

[OldAsiaHand]

The BBS to which you refer had been pretty bare since the veteran mommies left. However, I was pleasantly surprised to see a full stable when we were there at around 4pm last Sunday. My girl did not give me a hard time when I refused to pay 150RMB, but she was pretty new on the game. I gave her 10RMB for the taxi.

If they want to call the mommy, I encourage it. The mommies all know that we only pay 100RMB to the girls so they back off when they realize who we are.

The were trying the same shit at the Banyan Tree BBS last year. We gave the shop the "cold shoulder" for awhile. We even went so far as picking a girl and then walking even though they subsequently agreed on the lower price just to send a message.

I am not sure how much affect our small group has on their business, but I am willing to join in the boycott anyway.

Just my POV.

OAH


Scam Alert! The BBS shop which used to have Lily, Sandy, Jojo, Angel as mamasans working there is trying very hard for 250 rmb. This is the shop on the second floor above a convenience store, at the back of the Yalan hotel. As none of those mommmies are there anymore, I am christening it "Xiao Mei's BBS". Xiao Mei is one of the current mommies there.

OAH took a girl there a week ago. She tried to get him for 150 rmb afterwards (100 already paid to mommy). OAH, being a battle-hardened veteran, stood firm at 100.

I took a girl on Friday, pretty much the same crap. She insisted afterwards that the total price was 250. Wanted to call her mommy, but she didn't have mommy's number. It took a while before she left. Was quite pissed off too.

A friend took a girl on Friday. Same thing again. He did give her 150 afterwards (for a total of 250).

How about if we give that shop the cold shoulder for a while? While we walk past, we should tell the mommies/runners that we are not going in/up because we don't want to pay 250.

[Wapec]

I am in BOYCOTT on ! Off my list for the rest of the week I am around for mongering.


I am not sure how much affect our small group has on their business, but I am willing to join in the boycott anyway.

Just my POV.

OAH

[AsnDragon]

Just a side fact. When I was at Jiayi, I saw the old mommy from the second story convenient store there working as the KTV mommy. She instantly recognized me and asked me to pick some girls from her lineup. Didn't see any good ones so I passed.

Baby's room is almost the same. But I find baby and the other guy papasan to be less honest than before. I use to trust them on which girl was good and which were not as good. But last time I got burned. Baby and papasan told me this girl had good service etc. Etc. But it was a horrible experience. I find that Baby and that papasan are just into earning the quick buck and are less into service these days.

OAH, I agree with you. Xiao Mei's room now is one of the worse. They want 250 RMB as well as behind yalan hotl big room. They use to all be in the same three room configuration together, so I think there's a bit of collusion going on with the pricing between the two locations.

I'm glad that you finally got to stay at the Swan Lake Hotel. I was tellin you to try it out back in April. Pretty good deal?

AsnDragon


The BBS to which you refer had been pretty bare since the veteran mommies left. However, I was pleasantly surprised to see a full stable when we were there at around 4pm last Sunday. My girl did not give me a hard time when I refused to pay 150RMB, but she was pretty new on the game. I gave her 10RMB for the taxi.

If they want to call the mommy, I encourage it. The mommies all know that we only pay 100RMB to the girls so they back off when they realize who we are.

The were trying the same shit at the Banyan Tree BBS last year. We gave the shop the "cold shoulder" for awhile. We even went so far as picking a girl and then walking even though they subsequently agreed on the lower price just to send a message.

I am not sure how much affect our small group has on their business, but I am willing to join in the boycott anyway.

Just my POV.

OAH

[AsnDragon]

Royal Garden's got to have the best eye candy in all of Dongguan KTVs that I've been to. Even better than Sheraton in Houjie. Last I was there, the model category cut off is, 170 cm. The last girl I chose to sit with me, was 168cm and she was not allowed to be in the model category, even though she looked almost the same height as all the other models.

There is one model that's about 178cm, she's pretty gorgeous, from Guangzhou, and she speaks english very well. While the mommy was gone attending another room, she actually came in introducing the girls, using english "sir, this one is pretty good, how about this one? " I was really impressed. If she had a number, I'd get her, but their system is very strange. They go by mommy's line, and then by their name. No numbers. Quite unfortunate.

Last I went my friends and I went all out, and we all got 2 models each. Which was kind of bad, because when the regular lineup comes, they assume you only want model quality girls. But the difference in appearance between model and regular is so extreme, that you just can't help but pick the model girls if and when you can.

There is this one girl, named: xiao man. She's got short hair down to her chin. She's gorgeous! About 174 cm tall. Has nice long legs and she's half hunan and half henan. Stunner, one of the best at Royal. Too bad she smokes. Which turns me off at times.

P.S.. Has anyone ever gone to another KTV that has better eye candy than royal garden Hotel? It can be anywhere. Zhuhai, shenzhen, shanghai. Etc. Just wanted to see if there's other territories that I have not explored yet.

AsnDragon


Having missed Jiayi in CP, I wasn; t gonna miss out on any further KTV action. Armed with a slight know how of standard operating procedures from SEAJ (Thanks buddy, but sorry I didn; t get to experience Jiayi. DAMM! ) we got into the KTV at Royal garden.

Wow wow. The place was definitely grand. A small room had a minimum charge of 988 or something around that. Not a problem actually. Mommy came in, got to tell us the tipping system, the charges, what's on promo.

2 Categories here.

1)3-8-10 2)5-15-20 (Model)

Definitely an expensive place from my experience but the 3-8-10 were quite good and the 5-15-20 category were real stunners. The mummy did say that we were abit late as most of the girls had already been taken but from what we saw. We picked out some really nice ones. Me and my buddy took the model category while the stud took one from the normal category. But on closer inspection, she was in no way less cute that ours. And she mentioned that she was getting promoted to the model category soon.

In the midst of this all, the manageress of the spa came over to have a drink with us. As promised. I was surprised that she did. And the managed did come in quite abit to drink with us. We had some food as well. Total bill including all tips came out to be around 3K RMB. 2700 was for 2 bottles of chivas, 18 bottles of mixers, fruits, 1 plate of snacks, 1 plate chicken wings, 1 plate fries, 1 plate of fried rice, 1 bowl of noodles.

At the end of the night, the Stud wanted to bring his chick back, I asked her but she was on the rag. Poor boy was not gonna get any action that night! Buddy decided he didn't want to bring his chick back. But I wasn't gonna miss banging my super stunner and brought her back to my room for 2k. Had 2 pops with her.

(there is a continuation to this little story and I will post this sometime and hopefully some forumers will offer some advice)

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[Ckckck]

I'm not sure why, but for some reason my posts have not made their way to the thread.

I went by the Yalang corner shop earlier. Said the price was too high and just walked away. I think if they realize that word is getting around to tourist that they are over priced and are to be avoided, this hopefully will help your cause.

With the directions from Wapec, I still had difficulty finding the night market. So I got a cab and in my broken Chinese (I have taken some Chinese classes), ask that he give me a tour. The communication was easier than I thought - he knew where all the attractions were. I identfied the areas by price (from this thread) - the $50-60 area and the $ 130 area.

The first I believe was the catacombs. I just wanted to drive by and have a look at it. But my driver wouldn't allow that - he actually stopped and asked to see the stock. Then after that, we were off to the $ 130 area, which I beleive was the night market. And as before, my driver again asked to see the stock (I really like this guy). I think he had as much fun as I did just driving around - we were both cracking up the whole time.

For those new in town, the cab rountine may be the best. If you cannot comunicate directly with the driver, ask the hotel staff to give instruction to the driver. Having the cab driver as an escort may also give you some comfort.

Fast Eddie, you make reference to the "meat wagon" in front of the Lucky. This is the first I have read this on the forum. I am quite curious about this. How do I come across this and what do I do?

Thank you.

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[Fast Eddie 48]

I'm not sure why, but for some reason my posts have not made their way to the thread.

I went by the Yalang corner shop earlier. Said the price was too high and just walked away. I think if they realize that word is getting around to tourist that they are over priced and are to be avoided, this hopefully will help your cause.

With the directions from Wapec, I still had difficulty finding the night market. So I got a cab and in my broken Chinese (I have taken some Chinese classes), ask that he give me a tour. The communication was easier than I thought - he knew where all the attractions were. I identfied the areas by price (from this thread) - the $50-60 area and the $ 130 area.

The first I believe was the catacombs. I just wanted to drive by and have a look at it. But my driver wouldn't allow that - he actually stopped and asked to see the stock. Then after that, we were off to the $ 130 area, which I beleive was the night market. And as before, my driver again asked to see the stock (I really like this guy). I think he had as much fun as I did just driving around - we were both cracking up the whole time.

For those new in town, the cab rountine may be the best. If you cannot comunicate directly with the driver, ask the hotel staff to give instruction to the driver. Having the cab driver as an escort may also give you some comfort.

Fast Eddie, you make reference to the "meat wagon" in front of the Lucky. This is the first I have read this on the forum. I am quite curious about this. How do I come across this and what do I do?

Thank you.

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There are many post about the meat wagon some call it the pussy wagon and some call it meal on wheel,it is just a van full of girl travel around to pick up customer but there are less now days some of the girl is hot ktv girl.

There is a bbs on the 10th fl of the apartment behind lucky hotel got some nice girl older girl than the one behind hui mei but serivice is good 150 rmb st but the mamasan only approach regular and hong konger .

Fast eddie 48

[OldAsiaHand]

Baby's room is almost the same. But I find baby and the other guy papasan to be less honest than before. I use to trust them on which girl was good and which were not as good. But last time I got burned. Baby and papasan told me this girl had good service etc. Etc. But it was a horrible experience. I find that Baby and that papasan are just into earning the quick buck and are less into service these days.

I'm glad that you finally got to stay at the Swan Lake Hotel. I was tellin you to try it out back in April. Pretty good deal?

AsnDragon

AsnDragon,

A friend of mine took a girl from Baby. He made the mistake of paying her the 100RMB ST so she did not want to join us for KTV. When we left the KTV, we went back to Baby's on the chance she would be there. Lo and behold, there she was.

The mommies tried to get him to pay another 100RMB mommy fee. I argued with them to no avail. I went outside and found the papasan who overuled and let the girl go. He just gave her another 300 LT in the morning.

The Swan Lake is good value and close to BBS action. The room is almost as good as the Miraton, but the internet is slower. I do prefer the location of Miraton, however.


OAH

[SE Asia Joe]

AsnDragon,

A friend of mine took a girl from Baby. He made the mistake of paying her the 100RMB ST so she did not want to join us for KTV. When we left the KTV, we went back to Baby's on the chance she would be there. Lo and behold, there she was.

The mommies tried to get him to pay another 100RMB mommy fee. I argued with them to no avail. I went outside and found the papasan who overuled and let the girl go. He just gave her another 300 LT in the morning.

The Swan Lake is good value and close to BBS action. The room is almost as good as the Miraton, but the internet is slower. I do prefer the location of Miraton, however.


OAH

Yeah - Baby's shop is pretty good these days. Went there yesterday (Saturday) afternoon at 4:30 and I counted 36 gals - nearly a full house (Michelle Mommie told me a full house would be max 40 or so if all the gals sat down.)

Freepeaks was there and asked me to see if I can get him a discount as he wanted to have a double banger. Talked to Michelle and she in turn talked to the papasan and Lo and Behold, she told me that he could have them both and just give her 180 i/o 200! (of course 100 each to the gal apres). So yes - very reasonable people with good stock and never pushy.

SEAJ

[SE Asia Joe]

All tied up these days and thus, when I managed to get away for 30 or so hours this week-end, I was bound + determined to try to pack in as much as I can - but I was also bound and determined to try this adventure as economically as possible without being a Cheap Charlie. Just an experiment that I just wanted to do - don't ask me why!!

And guys, please don't start flaming me for whatever I did (and gonna relate to you here) that don't settle well with you or whatever; I'm just relating to you what is possible.

Train Hunghom-CP - HK$145 (1:20 minutes travel plus 20 minutes prior)
Swan Lake Hotel - RMB228 - damn, I thought I paid 218 last time?
- #1 gal - an old 2-5-8 KTV friend who has always just left it up to me whatever I pay (especially since I DON'T do her during her KTV hours) - RMB 280
- #2 gal from Baby's - great "somebody's mistress" who's got amazing BBJ technique as well as cock-massaging pussy talent. A bit older gal (24) but truly amazing - especially that she actually went along with giving me a second CIM pop - RMB250.
- Dinner - RMB 45 at that seafood restaurant across the Lucky. Taiwan Ray knows how to order really good stuff that don't cost an arm and a leg.
- KTV - Swan Lake large room for the 4 of us plus 7 gals and 2 dj's and again lots of food and drinks (I again got a coupon for 3 stored beers!!) - RMB250, plus RMB 100 to send one of my gals away.
- #3 gal - my old friend the hot SWL sub-mommie with the fantastic body and really sexy dancing moves - RMB 300
- #4 gal - another old friend from SWL who had dropped in when we were at the KTV and who I asked to come by and knock on my door the next morning (she was already sitting w/another client who was gonna overnight her) - RMB 200 (no tip as she of course didn't need to tell the mommie that she did me and thus didn't need to give any of the fees to the mommie)
- Lunch at Mito's RMB51
- Footsie at Virgin - RMB 46
- Various taxis, drinks/snacks for in the room - approx RMB70 (always paid no more than RMB 10 each taxi ride even during this period, a week-end - yes its possible!)
- Train to SZ - RMB 40 and then KCR to Hong Kong HK$31.30 (1:45 hour CP - HungHom)

Total expenditure: HK$176.30 and RMB1,860
For 5 pops, 4 gals, a 5 hour KTV party (when even if we didn't party like rock stars, we still had a helluva good time,) a footsie, great meals and a great time with great guys from ISG - Wadman, Freepeaks, and Taiwan Ray.

SEAJ

Ps. And yes, I do realize that the main reason I was able to do all that for so little is that out of the 4 gals, 3 I already knew from before and is comfortble with whatever I give to them.

[SE Asia Joe]

. I identfied the areas by price (from this thread) - the $50-60 area and the $ 130 area.

The first I believe was the catacombs. I just wanted to drive by and have a look at it. But my driver wouldn't allow that - he actually stopped and asked to see the stock.

Hey Cckck - maybe you may have just discovered something else about CP that perhaps we may not know about.

The taxi driver took you to a $50-60 place - that you believe was the catacombs?

If it was the catacombs, the charges are $30 for a 10 minute rumble in a grotty shack in a warren of dirt alleys just behind the Walter Hotel and fronted by a swimming pool. The gals are all fresh off the farm (some VERY young!) and very heavily made up. Each gal has her own alley level "room" and always trying to pull guys into it. Is this where you went to?

If not (and thus you were not at the catacombs) then where did he take you to exactly and how was the stock?



SEAJ

[Jim Traveller]

total expenditure: hk$176.30 and rmb1,860

for 5 pops, 4 gals, a 5 hour ktv party (when even if we didn't party like rock stars, we still had a helluva good time,) a footsie, great meals and a great time with great guys from isg - wadman, freepeaks, and taiwan ray.when i watch the olympics, i always had the most respect for the marathoner. sure, the 100-meter dash can be fun, but it is over in 10 seconds. sort of like sex for a greenish 18-year old first-timer. now the marathon, ain't that the triumph of the human spirit! one needs training, science, discipline, resolution, grit, hunger for glory and a host of other human virtues. just to finish the 2. 5 hour feat.

it is with a similar sense of awe what i read seaj's vivid account of his own recent exploits. yes, i would like to flame him, but i don't have the heart to. having met good old joe on a few occassions, i know he is no longer a teenager. i would not go so far as guessing seaj's age, but i do remember listening to joe re-counting his youthful exploits while wistfully thinking. "i was in [CodeWord131] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131) then. "

5 pops in a day is. ah. simply a bit too much! no, joe, just because you can do it, doesn't mean you have to let the rest of us know about it. now i am green with envy and even a little red with rage. life is not fair. for those of us that just can't produce that much fireworks in a day. we will just have to grind our teeth, and look down inside our boxers with a sigh.

oh, shit! was it too many self-help sessions during those restless and sometimes frustrating teenage years? was it too many hamburgers and fries during college? was it too much stress at work? too many vitamin c and v pills? was it? how come i can't do 3 at my age when good old joe can do 5 at his? at this rate of decline, can i get it up anymore when i reach joe's age? this train of thought is depressing, a bit scary, albeit strangely motivating.

as i pack my bags for the gym, for the first time in a year that is, i murmur to myself: "well done joe, may the force be with you! "

by the way, i think i would like to ask joe's wife / cook/ girlfriend / mother for recipes. as i recall those famous lines from the movie when harry met sally. "i will have whatever [s]he is having. "

with these thoughts i resolved to go to cp. i will arrive on october 3 and hope to confront joe face-to-face. i intend to really give joe a hard time about. being joe, and if he would let me, i will take a stop-watch and calculate joe's "average time between actions" as a standard of excellence for brother old and new.

until we meet again, brothers, cheers. and do not envy joe.

[Threeway]

The catacombs is there?

Damm I missed another item of interest there as well!!

[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]Hey Cckck - maybe you may have just discovered something else about CP that perhaps we may not know about.

The taxi driver took you to a $50-60 place - that you believe was the catacombs?

If it was the catacombs, the charges are $30 for a 10 minute rumble in a grotty shack in a warren of dirt alleys just behind the Walter Hotel and fronted by a swimming pool. The gals are all fresh off the farm (some VERY young!) and very heavily made up. Each gal has her own alley level "room" and always trying to pull guys into it. Is this where you went to?

If not (and thus you were not at the catacombs) then where did he take you to exactly and how was the stock?



SEAJ[/QUOT

[Moody]

Royal Garden's got to have the best eye candy in all of Dongguan KTVs that I've been to. Even better than Sheraton in Houjie.

The Royal Garden is pretty nice. Their facilities are second to none. The major pain in the ass over there though is finding a ride back home in the morning. For that matter, in the middle of the night too! There's a tall slim mommy there, whose name escapes me at the moment, who was supa hot. I'm gonna have to go back there to try to meet up with her again. I have a half dozen phone numbers from RG, but I can't for the life of me remember which one was hers.

[Moody]

I can be considered a Zhuhai sifu as I have been there more than 5 times liao!

I regretted buying her the handphone (more than $300! )

!

Again with the phone... Dude, stop obsessing... It's only $300 Get over it. You talk about it like you bought her a 100K apartment.

And what's a "sifu" and what's a "liao?" If it means something like.... "knowitall" then being there 5 times certainly qualifies you. 5 times is a lot of times. I know exactly what you're talking about too. I've been to Shanghai 5 times, and believe me, I know everything there is to know about that place. I even know where the airport is (as long as it's not the one in Pudong). ;)

[OldAsiaHand]

Swan Lake Hotel - RMB228 - damn, I thought I paid 218 last time?


SEAJ,

Your memory is failing you. We paid 228 RMB the last time.

OAH

[OldAsiaHand]

SEAJ,

I don't think it is the catacombs. BTW, they give you 20 minutes if you need it there. After that, the thugs will start pounding on the door.

One of those van drivers once mentioned an area for 50 RMB to me too, but I was on my way to the Yalan so did not take him up on it. I had forgotten about this until this recent post.

We should ask a couple of those thieves about it the next time in town.

OAH




Hey Cckck - maybe you may have just discovered something else about CP that perhaps we may not know about.

The taxi driver took you to a $50-60 place - that you believe was the catacombs?

If it was the catacombs, the charges are $30 for a 10 minute rumble in a grotty shack in a warren of dirt alleys just behind the Walter Hotel and fronted by a swimming pool. The gals are all fresh off the farm (some VERY young!) and very heavily made up. Each gal has her own alley level "room" and always trying to pull guys into it. Is this where you went to?

If not (and thus you were not at the catacombs) then where did he take you to exactly and how was the stock?



SEAJ

[Ckckck]

Hello SE Asia Joe.

I am not sure where the cab driver brought me. We were on the way toward Yalang, passed what I beleive to be the night market, and then made a left. Then back alleys, etc. and we were there. When we left, we drove a bit and ended up at the end (start) of the night market??? (it was the end with the park). Row of usual buildings with greeters trying to bring you in.

From what I saw, I thought the stock from this place was BETTER than what I saw at the night market. It could be the time, the lighting, I don't know, or maybe it was an off day at the night market. But the one they brought out to show me was better than the ones I saw at the night market (they wanted $250 for the full time, but I suspect that was open to negotiation).

Thank you

[Tomdickharry]

Again with the phone... Dude, stop obsessing... It's only $300 Get over it. You talk about it like you bought her a 100K apartment.

And what's a "sifu" and what's a "liao?" If it means something like.... "knowitall" then being there 5 times certainly qualifies you. 5 times is a lot of times. I know exactly what you're talking about too. I've been to Shanghai 5 times, and believe me, I know everything there is to know about that place. I even know where the airport is (as long as it's not the one in Pudong). ;)"Sifu" tranlated means "Master" and judging from Mr. James Chong's ranting...he is certainly not one......hmmmmmmm. I am not exactly what the other one means?

TDH

[SE Asia Joe]

When I watch the Olympics, I always had the most respect for the marathoner......It is with a similar sense of awe what I read SEAJ's vivid account of his own recent exploits. Yes, I would like to flame him, but I don't have the heart to.
Oh, shit! Was it too too much stress at work? Too many vitamin C and V pills?
As I pack my bags for the Gym, for the first time in a year that is, I murmur to myself: "Well done Joe, may the FORCE be with you! "

With these thoughts I resolved to go to CP. I will arrive on October 3 and hope to confront Joe face-to-face. I intend to really give Joe a hard time about. Being Joe, and if he would let me, I will take a stop-watch and calculate Joe's "average time between actions" as a standard of excellence for brother old and new.

Until we meet again, brothers, cheers. And do not envy Joe.
Owwww. Jimmmy Jimmy, now now now - thou doth giveth me too much face!! (Errr.... what is the upside of a balding head - you gain lots of face!!).

As you said - too damn much stress at work with me having to move offices on top of everything else! And thus I resolved to pack it all in within this 30 hour window! And yes, like my usual regimen - a Vit C after the first pop (Damn , what would we old geezers do without Vit C and V?? What did the old geezers do prior to...????!!).

It worked 6 times with the same gal a couple months ago - and thus I figure that this time 5 times with different gals would be do-able. And surprisingly, unlike the last time when I felt all the life drained out of me, this time I feel all refreshed and ready to.....move more boxes!!

I'll try to make it up this week-end to see you - but please, if this time we again to a KTV (You ARE a KTV fiend!!), please make sure you at least try some of the things I suggested when KTV'ing as per my previous posts - and PRIOR to the session. Let's see how much difference in the bill we can get from previous times. Deal?

SEAJ

[SE Asia Joe]

Hello SE Asia Joe.

I am not sure where the cab driver brought me. We were on the way toward Yalang, passed what I beleive to be the night market, and then made a left. Then back alleys, etc. and we were there. When we left, we drove a bit and ended up at the end (start) of the night market??? (it was the end with the park). Row of usual buildings with greeters trying to bring you in.

From what I saw, I thought the stock from this place was BETTER than what I saw at the night market. It could be the time, the lighting, I don't know, or maybe it was an off day at the night market. But the one they brought out to show me was better than the ones I saw at the night market (they wanted $250 for the full time, but I suspect that was open to negotiation).

Thank you

Damn - from your description, for sure this was NOT The catacombs!!

Anybody here know where/what this is?? OK guys - let's rally to this cause!! Go out there and try to figure it out!! I'll try asking around my Hong Kong friends - but I think this area is most probably known mostly by the locals only (like the catacombs).

SEAJ

[SE Asia Joe]

"Sifu" tranlated means "Master" and judging from Mr. James Chong's ranting...he is certainly not one......hmmmmmmm. I am not exactly what the other one means?

TDH

And why don't you also translate what Si Faat (Cantonese) means. This aptly describes him!!

SEAJ

[Bad Boy Billy]

Guys am arriving Shenzhen Oct 13 for 4 nights - I need to get from Shenzhen airport to Miraton - most reliable transport suggestion please?

[SE Asia Joe]

Guys am arriving Shenzhen Oct 13 for 4 nights - I need to get from Shenzhen airport to Miraton - most reliable transport suggestion please?
Believe that wapec is in your neck of the woods - beijing - right now; Pick that wanker's head - he probably can clue you in a bit.

The most reliable method would of course be by taxi (real ones or those pirates - after you negotiate the price. Not sure but believe it should be under RMB 200).

If you need to economize, its gonna be a bus to Luohu (the major transport hub in Shenzhen which is also a border crossing to HKG), and then train from there to CP (RMB 40 and takes 25 minutes). But its really gonna be a major undertaking as the roads to Luohu are usually clogged until well after 8PM, then you have to lug your luggage to the train, and then fight ther pirates in CP to get you to the hotel.

Anybody else got any better methods?
SEAJ

[SE Asia Joe]

With these thoughts I resolved to go to CP. I will arrive on October 3 and hope to confront Joe face-to-face. I intend to really give Joe a hard time about.
Until we meet again, brothers, cheers. .

Oh Jeez....!! I just had another read of my piece - juxtaposed with Jim Traveller's (after I read Wapec's peice in Beijing)... and Crikey - Now I realize that I may have come across as boasting about my prowess or appetite or whatever!

Guys - really, cross my heart - I never intended the piece to be such at all. The only thing I was actually proud of was the fact that I managed to do so much things for so little. I am just an old fuddy duddy who loves to fall in love with all these nice nubile young things! I certainly am NOT a lothario or even an O.W.L. and I would never dare to claim that I am anything but just a harmless old guy.. Honest Injun Joe!!

So please guys - let me off this time OK?

Thanks
SEAJ

[Bad Boy Billy]

Believe that wapec is in your neck of the woods - beijing - right now; Pick that wanker's head - he probably can clue you in a bit.SEAJOK cool - I will drop him a PM.

Beijing not really my neck of he woods - I actually live in Australia - I just NEED to be in Beijing regularly to straighten those clowns out.


The most reliable method would of course be by taxi (real ones or those pirates - after you negotiate the price. Not sure but believe it should be under RMB 200).SEAJOK so just grab a taxi at Shenzhen airport huh?


If you need to economize, SEAJCertainly no need to economise on cash - time is far more important to me.

[Pointpanic]

Joe,

I concur. Remember the last time I met up with you, the E&E bus at Shenzhen was closed after 8 pm so I negotiated an unlicensed taxi instead of waiting in a line of about 50 people to get a legitimate one with very few to be seen at that time of night. The tout took me to the end of the terminal arrival area where an un-marked car with two guys in it drove down a ramp to pick me up and dump my bags in the trunk. We went about a half mile out of the terminal where one guy jumps out where there is a bunch of cars and people going in different directions and says have a nice trip in Putonghua and the other guy dropped me off at Hui Hua for about 280 (I think) about an hour later. Remember you tried to drop the price down for me but the tout wouldn't budge. But you know what, it was worth getting up there so quickly to meet you and Wadman for our night market run.

I've tried the Louhu train deal and that could be a disaster as the trafffic around there to get to the taxi drop off could take a very long time and by the time you finish with them they have dinged you for a hundred already and then you still have to lug you bags on to the train for the 40 rmb ride to CP and haggle with the taxis (30 rmb) there for the 10 rmb ride to Hui Hua or Meriton.

NO buses either at that hour so cab or van is the way to go.

PP


Believe that wapec is in your neck of the woods - beijing - right now; Pick that wanker's head - he probably can clue you in a bit.

The most reliable method would of course be by taxi (real ones or those pirates - after you negotiate the price. Not sure but believe it should be under RMB 200).

If you need to economize, its gonna be a bus to Luohu (the major transport hub in Shenzhen which is also a border crossing to HKG), and then train from there to CP (RMB 40 and takes 25 minutes). But its really gonna be a major undertaking as the roads to Luohu are usually clogged until well after 8PM, then you have to lug your luggage to the train, and then fight ther pirates in CP to get you to the hotel.

Anybody else got any better methods?
SEAJ

[Ckckck]

Hello SE Asia Joe

Further to your post, I decided to do some investigative work. The place in question is as follows: On the road to Yalang market, you will pass the night market. After the night market, you will come to a moat. Immediately after the moat, make a left. You will then be travelling with the moat to your left. Travel quite a bit and you will reach the place. Closed doors - look for the colored lights and greeters. The amount is for dine in.

[Weelock]

Joe,

I concur. Remember the last time I met up with you, the E&E bus at Shenzhen was closed after 8 pm so I negotiated an unlicensed taxi instead of waiting in a line of about 50 people to get a legitimate one with very few to be seen at that time of night. The tout took me to the end of the terminal arrival area where an un-marked car with two guys in it drove down a ramp to pick me up and dump my bags in the trunk. We went about a half mile out of the terminal where one guy jumps out where there is a bunch of cars and people going in different directions and says have a nice trip in Putonghua and the other guy dropped me off at Hui Hua for about 280 (I think) about an hour later.
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I don't know what is an unlicensed taxi but lucky nothing bad happened. The story of an un-marked car with two guys to pick you up sounds a little scary.

Just a note, there are stories of people getting into private cars or vans and getting robbed.

At LoWu bus station, there is a bus that goes to Chang Ping. There is a sign that says Chang Ping in English. I'm not exactly sure but it's less than $40. I believe the last bus is about 8:45 or 9:30pm. it drops you off at New Century Hotel. This is another option but the train is mush faster.

[Fast Eddie 48]

Joe,

I concur. Remember the last time I met up with you, the E&E bus at Shenzhen was closed after 8 pm so I negotiated an unlicensed taxi instead of waiting in a line of about 50 people to get a legitimate one with very few to be seen at that time of night. The tout took me to the end of the terminal arrival area where an un-marked car with two guys in it drove down a ramp to pick me up and dump my bags in the trunk. We went about a half mile out of the terminal where one guy jumps out where there is a bunch of cars and people going in different directions and says have a nice trip in Putonghua and the other guy dropped me off at Hui Hua for about 280 (I think) about an hour later. Remember you tried to drop the price down for me but the tout wouldn't budge. But you know what, it was worth getting up there so quickly to meet you and Wadman for our night market run.

I've tried the Louhu train deal and that could be a disaster as the trafffic around there to get to the taxi drop off could take a very long time and by the time you finish with them they have dinged you for a hundred already and then you still have to lug you bags on to the train for the 40 rmb ride to CP and haggle with the taxis (30 rmb) there for the 10 rmb ride to Hui Hua or Meriton.

NO buses either at that hour so cab or van is the way to go.

PPTo PP,

The bus at Lowu border bus station to CP new century hotel runs from 6 am to 9.45 pm every 30 min.

The cost is 36 rmb, takes 40 min.

I always take this bus.

You are better off to spend one night in Shenzhen.

Go to Sebiu at night and take the early bus to CP the next morning.

It is danger to travel late at night and 280 rmb you can get a nice hotel for that price.

Fast eddie 48

[Moody]

Jeez, you guys make it sound like Guangdong is the wild wild west...

I travel at night ALL THE TIME. I also take gypsy cabs ALL THE TIME. I must have taken gypsy cabs literally hundreds if not thousands of times. To get to various places in Dongguan from Shenzhen, I usually take a regular cab to the GuangShen Express and take gypsy cab from there, and I do it in reverse too. Nothing's happened. The closest thing I got to anything that resembled danger was when one dude started nodding off at the wheel and I had to talk to him to keep him awake.

Those cab drivers are just out to make a buck like everyone else. Kidnapping and stuff like that is usually done by people who know you and have cased you out. As long as you don't do something stupid, like flashing your gold Rolex and diamond pinky ring, you'll be fine.

[SE Asia Joe]

Jeez, you guys make it sound like Guangdong is the wild wild west...

I travel at night ALL THE TIME. I also take gypsy cabs ALL THE TIME. I must have taken gypsy cabs literally hundreds if not thousands of times. To get to various places in Dongguan from Shenzhen, I usually take a regular cab to the GuangShen Express and take gypsy cab from there, and I do it in reverse too. Nothing's happened. The closest thing I got to anything that resembled danger was when one dude started nodding off at the wheel and I had to talk to him to keep him awake.

Those cab drivers are just out to make a buck like everyone else. Kidnapping and stuff like that is usually done by people who know you and have cased you out. As long as you don't do something stupid, like flashing your gold Rolex and diamond pinky ring, you'll be fine.
Jeez Moody - now you're gonna get all those posts about how dangerous China is, how bad Guangzhou is, how somebody guy or another got robbed even when he's all aware and prepared.
But you are totally correct and like you I've taken these gypsy cabs etc literaly hundreds of times and have (knock on wood) not run into any problems. Some common sense precautions of course don't hurt and neither would being always aware of when, where and what you're doing...... NO MATTER where you are!
Us guys come here for IMHO, the best mongering in Asia. PERIOD! Don't tell me that crime does not exist anywhere else, and that you're not gonna come here just because there IS crime here.

Like I said, IMHO
SEAJ

[SE Asia Joe]

to pp,

the bus at lowu border bus station to cp new century hotel runs from 6 am to 9.45 pm every 30 min.

the cost is 36 rmb, takes 40 min.

i always take this bus.

you are better off to spend one night in shenzhen.

go to sebiu at night and take the early bus to cp the next morning.

it is danger to travel late at night and 280 rmb you can get a nice hotel for that price.

fast eddie 48

eddie eddie eddie.... the original question was what is the best way from shenzhen airport to cp - not from luohu. on top of that, why would anybody want to take the bus ever since the advent of the crh high speed train which only takes 25 minutes, costs rmb 40 and is a helluva lot safer than those buses.

and since you're telling us about safety - notice that on a lot of intercity buses, just before it takes off (no matter what time of day), somebody will come on the bus with a cam-corder and take a picture of each and every passenger on the bus? know what that rigamarole is all about??

seaj

ps. shenzhen hotels are generally higher priced than cp ones!

[SE Asia Joe]

I don't know what is an unlicensed taxi but lucky nothing bad happened. The story of an un-marked car with two guys to pick you up sounds a little scary.

Just a note, there are stories of people getting into private cars or vans and getting robbed.

At LoWu bus station, there is a bus that goes to Chang Ping. There is a sign that says Chang Ping in English. I'm not exactly sure but it's less than $40. I believe the last bus is about 8:45 or 9:30pm. it drops you off at New Century Hotel. This is another option but the train is mush faster.
Aw come on Weelock - you KNOW what the routine is from "pick-up points" in Shenzhen.

The guys that actually gets a passenger is hoping that the passenger goes to where he wants to go to i.e. go home. Usually this is not the case and thus he would go to a "designated" area where Gypsy taxis headed for a certain direction congregates at. i.e. different areas for Cars to CP (towards the North East), or to CA (Towards North), or to Yantian/Daimeisha/Dapeng (towards E.N.E.). etc. These cars at these areas had taken passenger from his home area to Sehnzhen originally and rather than go home "empty," would rather wait for a passenger to "buy"

At the area, the original guy would "sell" the passenger to these guys who ARE going to the correct destination. This sytem has been in place for a long long time and as far as I know, is relatively safe (although of course to the newbie, is probably quite worrying) - and again - this is NOT to say that its 100% safe. But the again - what is 100% safe? Even the Good Ole' US$ is not safe these days!!

SEAJ

Ps. And what is this with you and Eddie telling people to go on the bus?? I personally HATE the buses in china!

[Weelock]

Ps. And what is this with you and Eddie telling people to go on the bus?? I personally HATE the buses in china!

I did not say take the bus. I said taking rides from private cars is not safe. It is safer to take a cab, or somebody that's recommended, or public transportation. Then the fastest way from Shenzhen to CP is by train.

Yes, I have taken a cab and was told get in the other cab. The guy got on the radio and asked other cabbies if anybody was going to the area. If he didn't find anybody, he would have taken us all the way. We didn't like it but finally agreed to get into the other cab.

[Weelock]

HK and Taiwan newspapers are filled with reports about crime. The Chinese gov't with its censorship, you don't hear as much about crime. Shenzhen is a little more safe because you need a permit to get in but not by much. Dongguan is far worst than Shenzhen, where Chang Ping is located. The police are worthless in China.

From an old post about crime:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=698183&postcount=1770

There are two pages of reports from virturaltouist.com about crime in Southern China.


From the New York Times:

There were 18,000 robberies in 2004 in Baoan. Baoan is just ONE of six districts in Shenzhen. By comparison, in Shanghai, a city of around 18 million, there were only 2,182 reported robberies for all of 2004.

The resulting rootlessness has fed a wave of crime of a sort hardly ever seen elsewhere in China. Gunfights, kidnappings and gang warfare are rife, and crime rates are skyrocketing.


Page 2 has a nice picture of a KTV girl getting arrested.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/19/world/asia/19shenzhen.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&ref=asia

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/19/world/asia/19shenzhen.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&ref=asia


From CPExpat:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=698367&postcount=1776

From Soulman:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=698323&postcount=1771

From OAH:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=544863&postcount=3999

There are others reports but I didn't post them.

[SE Asia Joe]

HK and Taiwan newspapers are filled with reports about crime. The Chinese gov't with its censorship, you don't hear as much about crime. Shenzhen ]
Wot did I tell you Moody??!!

SEAJ

[SE Asia Joe]

I did not say take the bus. I said taking rides from private cars is not safe. It is safer to take a cab, somebody that's recommended and public transportation. Then the fastest way from Shenzhen to CP is by train.

Yes, I have taken a cab and was told get in the other cab. The guy got on the radio and asked other cabbies if there were going to the area. If he didn't find anybody, he would have taken us all the way. We didn't like it but finally agreed to get into the other cab.
Hey Weelock - Let me rephrase your post a bit here

..........I said taking rides from private cars is DANGEROUS. It is a tiny bit less DANGEROUS to take a cab...........

Also, the way you describe the cab process, it is as if you had a choice. Well, the fact of the matter is that one does NOT have any choices whether to get into the other cab or not once your original driver finds someone to "sell" you to. Oh - wow, I can see the next big headline now -
"[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) - Weelock sold to cabbie!!!"

Sorry sorry sorry Mr. Weelock - cain't help being a bit loony these days.
Stuck in the office unpacking boxes whilst practically having to tie myself down to prevent me getting on the next train to visit the Northern Mushrooms!!

SEAJ

[Weelock]

the original question was what is the best way from shenzhen airport to cp - not from luohu. on top of that, why would anybody want to take the bus ever since the advent of the crh high speed train which only takes 25 minutes, costs rmb 40 and is a helluva lot safer than those buses.
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i did a search on the web and fround a bus that goes from the shenzhen airport to some places in shenzhen for $20 rmb, cheap. i'm not sure about the location of these places in shenzhen.

the destination of the bus is hualian mansion,via guangzhou-shenzhen expressway,the station of zhuzi lin,and the station of investment building. after 7:00pm(referring to departure time), the route will be extended to ludan village and forum hotel (west square of railway station).

see link:
http://eng.szairport.com/catalog_581.aspx

i also saw a train or a highway route, that goes from the shenzhen airport to bantian and pinghu. does anyone know anything about this route? see attachment of map.

[Moody]

From the New York Times:

There were 18,000 robberies in 2004 in Baoan. Baoan is just ONE of six districts in Shenzhen. By comparison, in Shanghai, a city of around 18 million, there were only 2,182 reported robberies for all of 2004.

The resulting rootlessness has fed a wave of crime of a sort hardly ever seen elsewhere in China. Gunfights, kidnappings and gang warfare are rife, and crime rates are skyrocketing.

.

You see, something like that makes no sense unless you have something to compare it to. Shenzhen has a population of about 10 million. Which is a little more than half the population of the State of New York. In 2007, the State of New York had 64,857 reported burglaries and 288,929 reported larceny-thefts, and 28,030 car thefts, about 31,094 robberies, about 410,000 events that can be termed "robbery." These are 2007 numbers, if you go back to 1991, the crime statistics are more than double for the first two and almost 5 times for auto theft.

Stats here:

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nycrime.htm

A number like 18,000 robberies in BaoAn makes no sense because it doesn't break it down into anything nor put it into context. Also, throwing in a word like "gunfights" is absurd. There are no guns in China. The availability of guns in China is probably something like a millionth the availability of guns in the US. In China, you can't just go to Wal-Mart and pick out a rifle, and there is no way you're going into a gunshop to buy a pistol. And "gang warfare?" You have a better chance of seeing one in East LA. Whoever wrote the article had a point he wanted to prove and he cherry picked his numbers to suit his argument. Just because some writer for the NY Times wrote it doesn't make it the gospel truth. I believe in what I see and what I hear. Sure there's crime in Guangdong, but it's nothing like what some members of the press want you to think. It's like the people who say you can't breathe in Beijing, obviously you can, because almost 7 million people live there and breathe everyday and obviously Michael Phelps didn't have a problem.

[Jim Traveller]

Alternatives from Shenzhen Airport to CP:

1. There is an airport bus that goes to Zhang Mu Tou, takes about an hour and cost is something like 30 rmb. From Zhang Mu Tou bus station you can call a cab to CP (about 30-40 rmb). This trip will definitely take you longer, and the last bus is like 6 or 7 p. M.

2. The best way of getting to CP from the airport is to develop a relationship with a CP driver, and get him to pick you up from the airport. Cost: 200 rmb. Some have gone up to 230 rmb. These rogue drivers can be relatively safe in the sense that you know them and they depend on your repeated patronage for their living. They normally own the cars they drive. To operate on that basis you will need your mandarin skills.

3. Bus to Luo Hu and then Bus to CP can be a long trip. Even assuming you hit the bus schedules bang on, you are looking at 3 hours enroute. The cost is 20-35 = 55. Cheap. And it drops you off in front of the New Century Hotel.

The rouge taxi pick up at the airport has always been a little chancy. It is heavily frowned up by the authorities for taking away business from regular taxis. However, the regular taxis just won't want to go to CP, since they can't count on a passenger on the return trip. Therefore, the route taxis comes in by setting you up with a driver that just dropped off a passenger at the airport and hoping to make a little extra on the return trip. I have taken this route a few times and never paid more than 200 rmb in total.

I always wondered why there is no bus service from Shenzhen airport directly to CP. The demand should certainly be there. Someone make a suggestion to one of them bus companies please!

There is yet another way of getting to CP from Luo Hu or especially Huang Gang. You can get a local cab to take you to Che Guang Shuo (Chinese for Vehicle Adminstration Bureau). Paradoxically this is where all the rogue taxis park, hoping to make extra on the return trip. When you pull up in a local cab, all rogue taxi drivers rush up to you hoping to make a deal.

A trip to CP will be 60-120 depending on the competitive situation. Normally I paid 80. The taxi from Luo Hu about 40, from Huang Gang about 20. Frankly, if you have a group of two or more departing from Luo Hu or Huang Gang, it is a solid alternative to waiting for the train, and it drops you off right in front of your hotel.

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[Tiger 888]

I did a search on the web and fround a bus that goes from the Shenzhen Airport to some places in Shenzhen for $20 RMB, cheap. I'm not sure about the location of these places in Shenzhen.

The destination of the bus is Hualian Mansion,via Guangzhou-Shenzhen expressway,the station of Zhuzi Lin,and the station of Investment Building. After 7:00pm(referring to departure time), the route will be extended to Ludan Village and Forum Hotel (West Square of Railway Station).

See link:
http://eng.szairport.com/catalog_581.aspx

I also saw a train or a highway route, that goes from the Shenzhen Airport to Bantian and Pinghu. Does anyone know anything about this route? See attachment of Map.I have not heard of a train route to neither a train station at the airport.

The airport bus goes to Hua Lian Mansion （ 华联大厦 ） which is at Ke Xue Guan Subway station（ 科学馆地铁站 ).

[Tiger 888]

...Shenzhen has a population of about 10 million. Which is a little more than half the population of the State of New York. In 2007, the State of New York had 64,857 reported burglaries and 288,929 reported larceny-thefts, and 28,030 car thefts, about 31,094 robberies, about 410,000 events that can be termed "robbery..."
Maybe we should also take Russia into account, maybe compare piracy inSomalia. That leads nowhere.

Undoubtedly Guangdong, especially greater Shenzhen and Donguan has the higehst crime rate in all China. The reason is that the main part of the population are migrant workers. And people who have no roots thersn anr nothing to lose are potentially the most dangerous ones.
Shenzhen has grown from a village of 250000 people into a megacity of 10 million in less than 20 years. Noone knows each other and noone cares.

[Bad Boy Billy]

I must apologise guys - I never thought 1 simple question about the best way from Shenzhen Airport to Miraton Hotel could produce such OUSTANDING responses.

End result - I pm'ed Ace Gallant who has arranged transportation for me - thanks to everybody.

Might I suggest that we now all get back on track - ISG is supposed to be about w.h.o.r.e.s not crime stories.

Just to get you guys excited again here are a few pics of a few girls from Angeles City in Phils 2 weeks ago.

Hoping that assistance and advice from my new 'brothers' in Sth China will help provide similiar expereiences.

ENJOY.

[Raverboy]

Alternatives from Shenzhen Airport to CP:

...

Distinction worthy report from an experienced traveller. Please excuse my jumping in here as I have a similar question for those in the know:

Will fly into MFM (Macau) on a Friday night around 6 pm and looking for the *fastest* way to get to CP (Changping). I've studied maps and ferry/bus schedules and there are quite a few alternatives so was wondering if anyone has done this trip before and can advise.

Original Plan A is to catch Turbo Jet's service to SZ's Fu Yong Ferry Terminal adjacent to SZ Airport but the last sailing from Macau's Ferry Terminal is at 19:15 so it could be tight. The rest of the journey per your post below. However, if my flight is delayed this plan will lay to waste quickly.
http://www.turbojet.com.hk/eng/schedule/prd_3.html

Plan B should I miss the last sailing to SZ Fu Yong is to catch Turbo Jet's service to SZ Shekou Ferry Terminal from Macau but the next sailing is 20:45 so there will be some time wasted in transit. From Shekou I was advised to get to Luowu and catch the next express train from there to CP (30 mins). All this will probably get me into CP around midnight, which is not desirable, nor is the transport changes this option involves.
http://www.turbojet.com.hk/eng/schedule/prd_4.html

Plan C upon investigating Macau Airport's website further is that there is a bus service at 18:45 (last bus) from there to DG (Dongguan) City. There are various stops, the closest stop to CP seems to be at a town called Liaobu. Again, the timing will be tight as I arrive around 18:00.
http://www.macau-airport.com/en/v01/01_express_03.php

Suggestions from Jim Traveller or anyone would be appreciated, I am wondering if I should even bother about Plan A or just go for Plan C instead?

Thanks in advance.

[Moody]

Suggestions from Jim Traveller or anyone would be appreciated, I am wondering if I should even bother about Plan A or just go for Plan C instead?

Thanks in advance.

I think there should be service to Humen (Taiping) from Macau. From Humen to CP should be about an hour.

If you go with Plan C, it's a tad less than an hour from DG City to CP. The bus ride from Macao to DG City though, is gonna be like.... 3 hours accounting for some time at immigration.

[Fast Eddie 48]

I did a search on the web and fround a bus that goes from the Shenzhen Airport to some places in Shenzhen for $20 RMB, cheap. I'm not sure about the location of these places in Shenzhen.

The destination of the bus is Hualian Mansion,via Guangzhou-Shenzhen expressway,the station of Zhuzi Lin,and the station of Investment Building. After 7:00pm(referring to departure time), the route will be extended to Ludan Village and Forum Hotel (West Square of Railway Station).

See link:
http://eng.szairport.com/catalog_581.aspx

I also saw a train or a highway route, that goes from the Shenzhen Airport to Bantian and Pinghu. Does anyone know anything about this route? See attachment of Map.To Weelock ,

There are 2 buses from the airport to Shenzhen.

The 330 big bus goes to Shennan Rd near Citic Plaza, and there is a mini bus that goes to the Lowu border.

Both busses run from 6:00 am to midnight.

The cost is around 20 rmb.

Yes, there are mini buses that go to Buji, Longgang and Pinghu also.

I'm not sure about the cost.

Fast eddie 48

[Fast Eddie 48]

Distinction worthy report from an experienced traveller. Please excuse my jumping in here as I have a similar question for those in the know:

Will fly into MFM (Macau) on a Friday night around 6 pm and looking for the *fastest* way to get to CP (Changping). I've studied maps and ferry/bus schedules and there are quite a few alternatives so was wondering if anyone has done this trip before and can advise.

Original Plan A is to catch Turbo Jet's service to SZ's Fu Yong Ferry Terminal adjacent to SZ Airport but the last sailing from Macau's Ferry Terminal is at 19:15 so it could be tight. The rest of the journey per your post below. However, if my flight is delayed this plan will lay to waste quickly.

http://www.turbojet.com.hk/eng/schedule/prd_3.html

Plan B should I miss the last sailing to SZ Fu Yong is to catch Turbo Jet's service to SZ Shekou Ferry Terminal from Macau but the next sailing is 20:45 so there will be some time wasted in transit. From Shekou I was advised to get to Luowu and catch the next express train from there to CP (30 mins). All this will probably get me into CP around midnight, which is not desirable, nor is the transport changes this option involves.

http://www.turbojet.com.hk/eng/schedule/prd_4.html

Plan C upon investigating Macau Airport's website further is that there is a bus service at 18:45 (last bus) from there to DG (Dongguan) City. There are various stops, the closest stop to CP seems to be at a town called Liaobu. Again, the timing will be tight as I arrive around 18:00.

http://www.macau-airport.com/en/v01/01_express_03.php

Suggestions from Jim Traveller or anyone would be appreciated, I am wondering if I should even bother about Plan A or just go for Plan C instead?

Thanks in advance.Raver,

I think you might want to go across the border to Zhu Hai.

Spend a night there.

CTS has a bus from Gonbei bus stations to CP Hui Mei Hotel 11.55 and 7.00 pm.

It takes about 2 hr.

The cost is 70rmb.

You can take a taxi from the Macau Airport to border 15 min cost about 25 mop.

Fast eddie 48

[Jayagopal50]

I second Fast Eddie.If you are chinese or speak mandarin it is OK at night,otherwise follow Fast Eddies advice.I did the same route and the bus is the way to go unless you know mandarin and take a taxi without being taken for a ride.The bus stop in CP is 1 block from the Miraton intersection and Walter hotel

[Weelock]

There were 18,000 robberies in 2004 in Baoan. Baoan is just ONE of six districts in Shenzhen. From NY Times.

One district is like saying one neighborhood in New York City. Now you need to multiply 18,000 by 6 because there are 6 districts in Shenzhen. It comes to about 108,000 for 10 million plus people. The article didn't say anything about other types of crime like murder and fraud. The numbers are far worst in Dongguan Area.

I'm sure most would agree the police are worthless in China.

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For AIRPORT

Shenzhen Bao'an Airport - the major international and domestic air transportation hub of Shenzhen. The airport is connected with Downtown Shenzhen by direct coach 330 - fee for single trip is 25Y. Shenzhen Bao'an Airport is connected with Shenzhen Rail Station in Luohu by Mini-bus K568. Taxi from the airport to downtown costs around 100RMB plus 10RMB for toll.

http://www.szairport.com/

[Moody]

There were 18,000 robberies in 2004 in Baoan. Baoan is just ONE of six districts in Shenzhen. From NY Times.

One district is like saying one neighborhood in New York City. Now you need to multiply 18,000 by 6 because there are 6 districts in Shenzhen. It comes to about 108,000 for 10 million plus people. The article didn't say anything about other types of crime like murder and fraud. The numbers are far worst in Dongguan Area.

I'm sure most would agree the police are worthless in China.


You see, writers like to pick and choose their facts when they're trying to make a point. This writer was trying to make the point that China has a high crime rate. When the writer of that article mentioned Baoan by name, I'm sure he picked it for a reason, the reason probably being that it had the highest crime rate. I also doubt the numbers are far worse for Dongguan. Had that been the case, the writer would have mentioned Dongguan just to further prove his point. Like I said before, don't just take everything you read in the NY Times as the gospel truth. A lot of newspaper writing is just BS covered in numbers to try to make a convincing argument by confusing the reader.

That aside, my point in my earlier post is that 18000 robberies is not many. It sounds like a lot, but in reality, it's not. In NY State, there were over 400,000 events that could be termed "robbery" for a population of 18 million in 2007. Per capita wise, that's significantly higher than 18,000 for one million, which means NY State has a higher crime rate. The funny thing is, in NY State, the crime rate has been dropping like crazy for the past 10+ years. If you go back to the late 80's and early 90's you'll see some crazy numbers. There's a book out there called Freakonomics that tries to explain the root cause of why that happened. It's pretty interesting read, get a copy if you get a chance.

You see, when you see something like 18,000 robberies in Baoan, you think, "WOW, THAT'S A LOT!!!!" That reality though, is that it's no more that what you see in NY State, and it's actually less. Numbers don't mean anything unless you put it in context and compare it to something else. Don't believe everything you read, not even if it's in the NY Times, and if it's in the Daily News, even less so.

Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that South China is not any more dangerous than pretty much any other place in the world. You wouldn't go around telling people that NY State is a dangerous place with a really high crime rate would you? Then why would you say that about Shenzhen which actually has a lower crime rate? I'll tell you one more thing, the chance of you getting shot in something like a drive-by shooting or an armed bank robbery is like millions of times smaller than in LA. They have really tough gun control laws in China.

[AncntFornicatr]

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Just to get you guys excited again here are a few pics of a few girls from AngelesCity in Phils 2 weeks ago

I guess this should really be in the Philippines section
Hey bbb, thanks for the great photos. It must have been a memorable day with the threesome. It looks like a soapy in the background.How about an update on prices and places.
af

[Bad Boy Billy]

I guess this should really be in the Philippines sectionYes you are correct - apologies to all - I will not make this mistake again.


How about an update on prices and places. Still the same situation - barfines from P1,000 on Pereimiter to P1,350 norm on Fields with models / spotlight dancers up to P3,000.

Many places still the same - many places changed.

Bars open and close every day.

Still the easiest and cheapest place in the world to get a w.h.o.r.e - but quality w.h.o.r.e.s - thats a whole nother story.

[Pointpanic]

[QUOTE=Bad Boy Billy]Yes you are correct - apologies to all - I will not make this mistake again

BBB I enjoyed the photos of the filipinas. If you want to post more of hot filipinas then please do so for me. Mahalo

[Wapec]

Guys

Cut Bad Boy Billy some slack. You gotta have some respect for a chap that is going to be in a bicycle cavalcade doing a BBS tour carrying a Mongolian side saddle in just over two weeks :D

Maybe a bicycle cavalcade in CP sans Mongolians is what we need ?

Santa

You and me can join Bad Boy Billy in wheelchairs with a pair of cute 19 year old Dongbei gals on our laps. Or even doing a 69, if we can see where we are going with the traffic. Bushes everywhere you know ? Shall PM you shortly to catch up - been hanging with SEAJ in CP catching up.

Bad Boy Billy

You wouldn't happen to be looking forward to your CP visit by any chance ? It doesn't show at all :eek:

I am here now and writing from the Swan Lake Hotel which is 3 mins walking distance to Baby's and the 2nd Floor. Have already had two high quality gals which turned into extended sessions of two hours - one from Sichuan the other Hubei both areas noted for spicyness. Ha! Ha! Both sweeties, good fun, very gfe and worth every fen. We even went for dinner / snacks afterwards.

Hope that whets your appetite! Enjoy your time & welcome.
RESPECT ;)
Wapec


Yes you are correct - apologies to all - I will not make this mistake again.




Yes you are correct - apologies to all - I will not make this mistake again

[Wapec]

SEAJ

I dunno what you're doing but I can hear the rythmic tapping of bed springs from next door through the wall. AGAIN ! Damn it man put some oil on it or some lube in it. Bloody woody woody pecker :eek:

White Tiger gal & I had a laugh listening to the free entertainment last night. Now you know why I took so long. Because I was only starting after your noise died down. Waited a long time for your gal to knock on my door to join us in my room ? No worries I had a blast anyway with a shy new one :D

All - he rang me on the house phone just as I was getting on top in position to engage. Coitus interuptus ...... Dick in her pussy phone in my hand. That is the way deals are done in China :)

Put on my teachers cap and gave her a lesson in health checks. Also, went for some nice spicy snacks out on the main road just down a bit. My gal, poor thing, hadn't eaten so dinner was the least I could do after the pounding I gave her. Walked her home, peck on the cheek good night. True love exists in the back alleys of CP - even if only temporarily. Also, swapped some RmB for NT$ with her - some guy from Taiwan paid her in NT$ must have been a hit and run. Go figure ? Only a real low life bottom feeder would try to pull a fast one on these gals who have it hard enough anyway. A curse and pox on him :(

You're at it again. That's it I am asking the front desk to change your matress to the silent night type. Hurry up I am waiting to go to the naked KTV in CA and get it on or is it watch the gals get 'em off ? I am so confused but happy living in my fantasy world like an Emperor.

\Wapec

[Santa]

Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that South China is not any more dangerous than pretty much any other place in the world. .

Agree with that well written post by Moody.

However, scams and theft is rampant. WE are perceived as naive, WE carry fat wallets and electronics, WE are easy prey, and WE have become their targets.

[Bad Boy Billy]

Cut Bad Boy Billy some slack. You gotta have some respect for a chap that is going to be in a bicycle cavalcade doing a BBS tour carrying a Mongolian side saddle in just over two weeks :DI gotta admit - the idea of w.h.o.r.e hunting on a treadly really does tickle my fancy.

Bad Boy Billy............You wouldn't happen to be looking forward to your CP visit by any chance ? It doesn't show at all :eek:WapecIs it that obvious?

Gotta admit - I am as toey as a roman sandal.

Probably done only 20 or so BBS girls in my 10 years visiting China - Shanghai, Tianjin, Nanjing - all on premises - not my cup of tea really.

The prospect of getting to 'headquarters' with some of you guys has me 'chaffing at the bit'.

[Freepeaks]

Alternatives from Shenzhen Airport to CP:

2. The best way of getting to CP from the airport is to develop a relationship with a CP driver, and get him to pick you up from the airport. Cost: 200 rmb. Some have gone up to 230 rmb. These rogue drivers can be relatively safe in the sense that you know them and they depend on your repeated patronage for their living. They normally own the cars they drive. To operate on that basis you will need your mandarin skills.



Jim is right on this. Little story that another member here knows well. Was at Shenzhen airport and told I could take cab for 150-200. Red cabs will not go to CP period, they will not leave Shenzhen. There is an occasional green cab about (not in the line) and they are from DG somewhere and sometimes will go. I found a friend in line going to somewhere close (20 min) from CP, though he spoke little english he agreed to negotiate. NO GREEN cabs wanted to go.

We found a girl touting a car (uhoh)... ok we are desperate, we go and agree that it will be 250 total 150 me and 100 him as he is closer and will take cab once close. He gets to location, they bring me to CP then say ok now pay 400. Fuck... i am trying to tell them they changed price, get friend on phone they give him shit and it was getting to heated so I paid and bailed in front of hotel at CP (they wouldn't pull to door) - jumped out grabbed bags and they took off trunk open. .. do not take gypsy cars unless you want to start your trip this way. i'm lucky it didn't get worse...

I have a very reliable driver now that I use and will give to selected senior members. he is very honest, on time and good. even texts me to tell me he appreciates business. warning - does not speak english - but can text pinyin which works for me (wo zai wu, ni zai na li ma) .. Current rates are 220 from Shenzhen and 450 from Guangzhou and is based in CP.

Just FYI - i tried the train which is 40 or 45 from CP -Shenzhen, then it would be about 100 to the airport from the train, add the 20 that you shouldn't but will pay in CP, and that is in the ball park. $10usd off for alot of time saved. Ride should be about 45 min no traffic, 1.5 hr traffic.

FYI - CAN airport is 90 in no traffic and can be 4 hours with traffic.

Business was slow last week in CP, lots of stock would run even SEAJ dry.

[Wadman]

小猫钓鱼 = xiao3 mao1 diao4 yu3 = little cat (pussy?) goes fishing.

This is one of the 20 or so items a sauna girl performs on you. For this one, she stuck one of my toes into her pussy, and used my other foot to rub her titties. I am guessing my toe is the little cat, fishing in her briny pussy.

[Freepeaks]

Freepeaks was there and asked me to see if I can get him a discount as he wanted to have a double banger. Talked to Michelle and she in turn talked to the papasan and Lo and Behold, she told me that he could have them both and just give her 180 i/o 200! (of course 100 each to the gal apres). So yes - very reasonable people with good stock and never pushy.

SEAJ

Thanks for the negotiation SEAJ. they were pretty fun in the do one then the other kind of way. baby (michelle?) is promising more than she can deliver, however if you went back and told her she will rectify. i saw her after taking a Swan girl and i think she tried to recruit her while waiting for cab.

both real cuties and the shy one was actually the better of the two. not good enough to repeat and I went back to see babys a few days later and there were another 40 and those two and your girl not in stock. however, i personally don't like the talent they had. went to swan lake which seems to have the best looking and performing around these days, at least for mee. they aren't asking for 250 anymore at swan lake so you don't have to negotiate.

i second the boycott on jojos old place as they are trying for 250 and bitchy about it. they have only had abou 8 girls everytime ive been there recently so they have to be hurting. there are 2 new places by banyan tree, both with decent talent though i didn't select.

[Wapec]

This is a flame report also posted on the SZ thread. I gotta get it outta my system so I can finish up my monger week with a clear conscience and hopefully a new high tomorrow.

BTW I went into JoJo's old shop two days ago and said I heard they were charging RmB 250. Then I quick as lightening said they were on a boycott because of it and turned on my heels and left. You gotta tell them they are being watched. Its not enough to not patronise they need to know why they are not patronised.
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Went to CA for a naked KTV and to limber up with a sauna session. Went with Wadman & SEAJ. Expected to meet another ISG'er who is on temporary probation having let the crew down. YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE "TG" AND WE THREE ARE WAITING IN AMBUSH TO FLAME YOUR EVERY NEXT MOVE ........ UNLESS YOU KEEP TO YOU WORD FOR TOMORROW NIGHT IN CP.

Anyway, SEAJ and I organised a car from CP to CA for RmB 120 and return on the highway for RmB 135 (there is a toll road on the most direct route back hence the price difference). While waiting for Wadman to arrive we went BBS hunting in CA but even SEAJ's canine like pussy sniffer failed us. The CA Hotel Bellboy's directions were about as reliable as the managmement at the Rich Kingdom KTV. Maybe I am being too generous to the Oxford Dictionary's definition of "Management".

Anyway, met up with Wadman then the dynamic duo of Wadman & SEAJ send the innocent Laowai out to find a taxi for them to follow to Rich Kingdom Hotel. Usual excuses from the pair of them - "your Mandarin is so good, you're so much more capable than we are". Bullshit I am Laowai and its worth the laugh to send me out into the cold cruel world to see quickly i'll get ripped off in China. No green in eyes ! I come from a long line of country folk & cow traders which is an entirely different breed to sheep shaggers. First taxi refuses to use the meter and insists on RmB 35 flat fee - "kiss my dick" as I open to door to exit and find another taxi. Same routine with the second. Time to be an asshole. Hell it comes easy. No meter no business take it or leave my man ? He takes it and says not one word to me as he goes into orbit on the roads of CA to get me to the Rich Kingdom on Zhen'An Lu. RmB 23 later I arrive on the meter and ask myself was all the hassle worth it over RmB 7 - 12. Later on that night I find the answer is irrevokably a resounding "yes" it its worth it. Principles are what keep mongers safe and out of harms way.

Now I know why I was really sent to find a taxi. If a Laowai gets killed in a crazy taxi the papers will say stupid foreigner did a stupid thing no loss to the world. Who cares about a stupid Laowai ? Well damn it boys, I do :eek: Arrive at the joint. Batman & Robin saunter along in tow. Joker has survived too.

We go in and book the KTV room which starts at 7pm we are informed. Decide its worth our while to waste time at the sauna until then so off we go for a 25 meter walk into the sauna which is 100 mins, room for RmB 138 and gals either 4/5/600 depending on how tall they are ? We all go for RmB 400 gals which just so happen to be cutest they have in the joint. Choice is not outstanding but the convenience factor and the comraderie make it the right choice for today.

Everybody comes out a winner. SEAJ has a professional that gets straight to blowing him from the get go - two pops, 26 steps all declined just straight down to biz. Wadman is in the zone as his gal works her tongue on his ass - gotta be good for him to come out smiling. My gal is a cutie, a bit nervous but i often get this being a Laowai so I just calm her down and let her know we'll take it nice and slow. She needs a lover with a slow hand not some John who's in a heaving rush. She empties her bag to reveal all kinds of dildo's, finger condoms, and vibrators. I casually tell her that she doesn't need any of them and she can skip the routine ince we'll make it up as we go along. She looks confused. Yes, I love the deer lost in the headlights look from them I so easily seem to be able to create. Anyway, I say take it easy I am old fashioned kinda guy and we can beat my two eggs to make the cake. She giggles and off we go. Nice bbbj in the shower as didi wakes up to the possibilities. What can I say I am sucker for a round smiling face and my gals just beams at me.

On to the bed, drying off, she massages me and I her, she sucks and slurps and wo shou "gangjue hen hao, hen shufu, laopau qing wo zai nide ai he ma?". I saddle up on my boat and rug a tug bug later with a little help from KY all the bits fall into place with a little insertion. Damn you SEAJ telling them I am hung like two donkey's and an elephant. Its takes 25 minutes to dispel the myth before they realise that I not even the size of a pigmyed Shetland pony. 55 minutes later she tells me there is only 5 mins to go as I am just getting into fourth gear. Oh well time to switch gear and straight into seventh. Happy days are here again. One pop perfectly timed to give me enough for later on. Been waiting all week for the naked CA KTV.

Meet the guys in the lobby and hand out their honorary finger condom for sweet rememberance. Oh how shy a Senior ISG Member can be after the fact !!! Don't say you haven't tried it ..... All happy we go merrily into the KTV in anticipation.

Head to our room. Laoban comes in we check the details as the first line up comes in. We are told no nakedness. We ask for the gals to leave before we express outrage. Finally there is a backdown - the gals will strip if we do. We don't care that sounds like a fair deal to us. Gals come back in. Couple of line ups later we're all settled in. Games, dice, drinks, food etc and things are humming along. I am particularly happy with my gal she is fun, enthusiastic, lively, animated and nicely playful allowing me touch and feel while she reciprocates. SEAJ starts singing that when you know things are settling down into a potentially good night. In come two dancers music gets pumped up and they dance provocatively with each other, jump up on the sofa and waive their asses in our faces, strip me naked (why is always me ? Same happened last time in CA naked KTV - not that I am complaining what else would I be doing ?), then SEAJ and only Wadman maintains any semblance of decency. Good clean naked fun except it us that's naked :D

The Mommie that sits with us is best looking gals in the place. I even tell her I'll pay RmB 800 to do her short time. Pricing is 2/6/8. Reckon I am onto a 6 for sure my gals is warming up nicely and so am I. My KTV drought is coming to an end.

Night ends and its decision time. Wadman declines all spent from earlier. SEAJ has devised a cunning alternative plan so also declines so there is only me. Hell I am up for it and ready to go. Jez i even held a shot in reserve from earlier. So its announced that its time for a short time room. That is when the real musical chairs begins. No short time rooms only all night rooms. OK give me one fo those rooms at the ST rate. No LT rate. What ? You have a room, the capacity but no fixed pricing. we've just spent over a a grand excluding gals & DJ and your flipping me off over a LT room ? Are you crazy ? Do you think I come from planet BSD Laowai ? Little chickie babe I've been in China longer than you've been alive who are you flip me off ? Ni xiao wenzi dabian wo hui gan ni ma sangci mingtain zaoshang gen ni keyi kanjian women !!! They're not budging. Brinkmanship. 10 mins we'll have a room ; 20 min later its 15 mins we'll have a room ; then you can have a sauna room but not at the house ST rate. Hey its only RmB 38 now but there is principle, face and my skin in the game.

Screw this for a laugh. I call for the bill. Maidan, maidan tai fuza, bu heli wo gai bian wo hao shenqi. Kongbu kelian ruguo nimen bu renshi wo erqie wo bu renshi ni ye hui anpai yige da BOYCOTT. Dui da ISG BOYCOTT.

Bill arrives. We settle up. Pay the gals sitting fee only. I pay mine a bit more because she is being left short too by the Management of this flea bitten Stalinist gulag. Rancid putrid bad management stinks to high heaven. Not only have they bitten off their own hand but also derpived my gal of RmB 400. Disgusted I give her a side payment saying i know its not her fault and she is annoyed with the Management of her agency but that is how it is for her. In all this she is the one that looses out the most. Choice remains for me tonight and many places elsewhere in CA, CP or SZ but her she lost a night's earnings due to bad management she has no control over. Sad state of affairs.

I am sangine. A bit of a bad taste but nobody's fault except for bad management. Not the gal, not us being outta hand ..... life goes on. Another war story and gossip about the thrill of the hunt and the one that got away etc. We trio going driving around CA while our car comes to bring SEAJ & me back to CP. Wadman kindly shows us the BBS area that we completely missed earlier in the day. Our car arrives and we transfer going our separate ways. SEAJ dozes off to sleep thinking of his vict.... er conquest. I am still a bit stirred and decide against a late night takeaway in CP just because it will be abverage given the mood I am in and that is not fair on a gal.

I will sleep on it and tomorrow will be another day in the paradise of CP. Got another KTV lined up with another bunch of good guys and its my last day in CP before returning to the real world.

Final note - I strongly recommend that the Rich Kingdom KTV (DMFL), Zhen'An Road, Chang'An Town, Dongguan City, Guangdong, CHINA be respectfully put on the ISG boycott list until there is a Management change.

[Wadman]

Anyway, met up with Wadman then the dynamic duo of Wadman & SEAJ send the innocent Laowai out to find a taxi for them to follow to Rich Kingdom Hotel. Usual excuses from the pair of them - "your Mandarin is so good, you're so much more capable than we are".


Hey! I had to drive my own car. So blame it on 5-pop Joe.



Bullshit I am Laowai and its worth the laugh to send me out into the cold cruel world to see quickly i'll get ripped off in China. No green in eyes ! I come from a long line of country folk & cow traders which is an entirely different breed to sheep shaggers. First taxi refuses to use the meter and insists on RmB 35 flat fee - "kiss my dick" as I open to door to exit and find another taxi. Same routine with the second. Time to be an asshole. Hell it comes easy. No meter no business take it or leave my man ?


You are learning to nickel and dime like a true Chinaman. Don't feel too bad, occassionally the cabbies will try to pull this trick on me too: flat fee instead of turning on the meter. I always refuse, unless I know the trip well, and know that I am not getting ripped.



Decide its worth our while to waste time at the sauna until then so off we go for a 25 meter walk into the sauna which is 100 mins


Ummm... they must have pulled another laowai trick on you... It's 120 minutes. I used the full 120, and then some.



Everybody comes out a winner. SEAJ has a professional that gets straight to blowing him from the get go - two pops, 26 steps all declined just straight down to biz. Wadman is in the zone as his gal works her tongue on his ass - gotta be good for him to come out smiling.


Hey, 2 CIMs, so yes I was all smiles. The second CIM was especially nice. After I came, she kept blowing for a good 1 minute, maybe longer. Usually, they run and spit ASAP.

My girl was actually pretty good. Nice sexy body (although small tits, and some marks on her back). Great service.



Meet the guys in the lobby and hand out their honorary finger condom for sweet rememberance. Oh how shy a Senior ISG Member can be after the fact !!! Don't say you haven't tried it .....


We were worried that the fingercondom was a used one.



Final note - I strongly recommend that the Rich Kingdom KTV (DMFL), Zhen'An Road, Chang'An Town, Dongguan City, Guangdong, CHINA be respectfully put on the ISG boycott list until there is a Management change.

Yeah, all in all, DFML was less than a success. Not sure what management was thinking. Surely, they know we won't be back like this, and we won't recommend the place either.

[Wadman]

Agree with that well written post by Moody.

However, scams and theft is rampant. WE are perceived as naive, WE carry fat wallets and electronics, WE are easy prey, and WE have become their targets.

Most of the crime in Shenzhen and Dongguan is the petty stuff: pickpocketing, grab and run, scams by vendors, etc. Pickpocketing is especially rampant in crowded places, that's why I carry my wallet and phone in the front pockets of my pants. If the crowd get thick, I put my hands into my pockets.

Chinese citizens are not allowed to own guns, although it seems that the "big boys" do have them. There have been a few shootouts in ChangAn. But not like this kind of stuff never happens in western cities...

Violent crime is relatively rare, unless you go look for it. Let me put it this way: I feel perfectly safe walking back alleys at 2 in the morning in Shenzhen and Dongguan. Try that in most North American cities. Disclaimer: I am ethnic Chinese, dress like the locals, and blend in. For laowais this may be different.

[Wadman]

i second the boycott on jojos old place as they are trying for 250 and bitchy about it. they have only had abou 8 girls everytime ive been there recently so they have to be hurting.

As reported, my girl from Jojo/Xiao Mei's shop tried hard for 250 too.

Business is bad for the girls in CP now, not enough guys, or maybe too many girls. One girl I took told me that she only did 2 STs in 5 days. So in fine China logic the thinking goes: if we have fewer customers, we just have to make each customer pay more (by hook or by crook).

Going rate for ST in Dongguan BBS is 130. Maybe 150 in some places, or if you do a takeaway instead of dine-in. So, 200 is premium pricing already. 250 is just absurd.

[Weelock]

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Business is bad for the girls in CP now, not enough guys, or maybe too many girls. One girl I took told me that she only did 2 STs in 5 days. So in fine China logic the thinking goes: if we have fewer customers, we just have to make each customer pay more (by hook or by crook).
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Wadman, are you counting the weekends? I recall during the weekends you could not fine a room at some of the higher end hotels like Miraton and Walter. Furthermore, on the weekends after 11:00 most BBS were empty and were completely Sold Out. It must be the bad worldwide economy. I have also read lots of factories in Dongguan shutdown causing some unemployment.

[Wapec]

1) Now you know how I counted 6.5 pops in BJG :confused:

2) Gave the last one to Mongergoose who turned up in CP today without any condoms. Had the cheek of specifying a specific brand from me. Do I look like a Pharmacy.

3) Also found out that I lost my mongering baseball cap :( Being a creature of habit that puts me off my game. Bugger it BOYCOTT the sauna too the whole lot of them are a bunch of c.u.n.t. s.u.c.k.i.n.g w.a.n.k.e.r.s. BOYCOTT them all big or small guilty or innocent :D Dong Fang Mei Li sucks like a withered grandma.

4 - New) Met with Taiwan Guy today. He has his own way of mongering ie: a personal guide of all the hot spots. Seems very efficient and it works for him - makes him happy which is all that counts. Decent enough chap :D Passed his probation and good luck to you on your travels.

\Wapec


1) Ummm... they must have pulled another laowai trick on you... It's 120 minutes. I used the full 120, and then some.

2) We were worried that the finger condom was a used one.

3) Yeah, all in all, DFML was less than a success. Not sure what management was thinking. Surely, they know we won't be back like this, and we won't recommend the place either.

[AsnDragon]

Just got a call from my friend in changping. He's from Hong Kong, been mongering for a few years already in CP. Just last week, he was in CP and a mamsan was grabbing clients from the streets. He followed her to a new building, he got suspicious and asked her he's never been here before. She replied "oh there's been so many changes recently due to the police and everything, we keep jumping around. " He believed her since there has been changes in the rooms near the banyan tree and also the second floor right around the corner of Baby's room. She he went along with her.

When he went inside, they closed the door on him and locked it up with a padlock. Three guys came up form behind him and took his belongings. They wanted to tie him up and have him call up someone to come with more money o bail him out. He negotiated with him, told him he was just a in town for on a company and that he has no money. He was taken for 1000 RMB, a cell phone and a watch. He got lucky and they let him go without causing serious injuries.

Be careful, there has been many of these robberies going on. It's better to go in groups, but even in groups of 2-3 guys, they could easily set up this type of trap. So just be vigilant and don't wander off to new and unexplored territories.

So just wanted to give a heads up to everyone to be careful. Happy Mongering, but always monger safely.

AsnDragon

[OldAsiaHand]

Wapec:

I am glad to hear that you are thoroughly enjoying your Golden Week in CP. It is unfortunate that I could not get away to join you guys.

That said, I was wondering if you have earned your wings in the catacombs. Please remember that you have been admitted on a temporary basis subject to validation.

OAH

[Bad Boy Billy]

One week til Billy arrives - yes I know you guys are sick of me already.

BUT

Never done twins yet - if any of you guys do come accross a 'pair' in your travels please advise.

Rgds

Billy

[ManonsanBoy]

When he went inside, they closed the door on him and locked it up with a padlock........

So just wanted to give a heads up to everyone to be careful. Happy Mongering, but always monger safely.

AsnDragon

The safest way to monger is to go to saunas and KTVs in good hotels. But of course it costs more..................

[ManonsanBoy]

New sauna establishment: "Xiu Jing" manasan 13724596581 in Da Ping Shan.
Went in the afternoon after golf. Accompanied to 7th floor and there was a line up; 400,500 and 600. Decided on a Fulan beauty. 160 cm, slim and hard boobs.

Usual body scrub, wash, ass lick, BBBJ on a wash bed followed by an hour of BBJ, catbath etc etc.

This place is lauching and the cheapest room (very acceptable) is RMB 38!

So 400 for girl. Complete R & R for 438. Free meal thrown in but who wants to be seen eating at a brothel.

[Fast Eddie 48]

One week til Billy arrives - yes I know you guys are sick of me already.

BUT

Never done twins yet - if any of you guys do come accross a 'pair' in your travels please advise.

Rgds

BillyTo bad boy billy

Enough already the whole world know that you are coming to CP ,but thanks for the warning.

Fast eddie 48

[Fast Eddie 48]

I was in Swan Lake recently.

I saw 2 girls, Alana and Aldana, both look european, both from north west china, both very tall girls.

Alana worked in the ktv 2 yr ago, and I have tried her before.

I think she sent home for a yr and came back.

Her friend Aldana but I didn't pick her pcik Xiangli from Hubei instead ok service 200 rmb st.

Fast eddie 48

[Logos]

I read excellent things about the Ji An KTV in Chang An, supposed to have the king of all line ups, and cheaper than CP as you can bring your own liqor (?) and make the room minimum on mixers and food.

Anybody can confirm this ?

If any of you pervs is interested in a fact finding mission from next week let me hear from you. I'm in town (CP) from oct 10th for a couple weeks.

Miraton for the first few days, then predictably I'll be fed up again with the daily floodings and want to move out.

Does the Walter have the same facilities ? what's the current top picks among mongers ?

[Santa]

When he went inside, they closed the door on him and locked it up with a padlock. Three guys came up form behind him and took his belongings. They wanted to tie him up and have him call up someone to come with more money o bail him out. He negotiated with him, told him he was just a in town for on a company and that he has no money. He was taken for 1000 RMB, a cell phone and a watch. He got lucky and they let him go without causing serious injuries.

Be careful


AsnDragon

If you have an atm card with you they could refuse to let you go until they get the pin number, etc.

In some countries, such as Mexico, kidnapping rich guys and tourists has become common. Maybe that will soon be in China.

[SE Asia Joe]

1) . Bugger it BOYCOTT the sauna too the whole lot of them are a bunch of c.u.n.t. s.u.c.k.i.n.g w.a.n.k.e.r.s. BOYCOTT them all big or small guilty or innocent :D Dong Fang Mei Li sucks like a withered grandma.

4\Wapec

Jeeezzzzus Wapec - you wanna boycott everybody dontcha? The KTV, the Sauna, Jojo's.
Good Grief!
SEAJ

[SE Asia Joe]

Wadman, are you counting the weekends? I recall during the weekends you could not fine a room at some of the higher end hotels like Miraton and Walter. Furthermore, on the weekends after 11:00 most BBS were empty and were completely Sold Out. It must be the bad worldwide economy. I have also read lots of factories in Dongguan shutdown causing some unemployment.
Yes he's counting the week-ends - including the long week we just had.

Asking the gals, just about all of them confirms that Biz had been terrible. On friday night alone, my li'l one told me that there were 17 NEW gals at the Swan Lake, on top of their usual crew of about 70-100.

I think its not as much a function of less mongers (not yet anyway) as it is a plentiful supply. Hotels - especially last week - are still pretty full, but just about all the BBS's were very fully stocked; Baby's had at least 40 during the afternoon/early evenings and still at least 20 sitting around after 10 pm, Swan Lake the same situation whilst the other yalan rooms were also very well stocked.

Factories closing, Szechuan quake victims desperate, Olympic employment gone, dairy farmers killing their cows, mistresses being cut loose by their previously flushed stock speculator keepers AND God knows how many other stories I've heard these gals telling me the past couple or so weeks convinces me that my theory of greater supply holds at least a bit of water!!

SEAJ

[SE Asia Joe]

One week til Billy arrives - yes I know you guys are sick of me already.

BUT

Never done twins yet - if any of you guys do come accross a 'pair' in your travels please advise.

Rgds

Billy
Wapec and I did 2 sisters from our favorite Mommie at the Fuhao - and then the greedy bastard took them both same time.

Baby's has 2 sets of sisters - one set just arrived from Szejiang (Mongolians) and they're pretty good looking -especially the younger one. Didn't have time to try 'em but will when I get back up later this week.

If its any use to you (not really, I think - but just that we ALL do get lucky once a while!) I used to keep one of a set of identical twins. I did the older one first and then ended up liking the younger one and keeping her for......too long a time!!
SEAJ

[SE Asia Joe]

One week til Billy arrives - yes I know you guys are sick of me already.

BUT

Never done twins yet - if any of you guys do come accross a 'pair' in your travels please advise.

Rgds

Billy
NOt sure if I can join your festivities next week but when OAH takes you to Baby's, talk to Michelle/Xu-Er who I've already briefed on your proclivities to take on multiple gals at the same time.

She will give you a bit of a break on the price to her/the house. I negotiated 180 to her (i/o 200) when Freepeaks took 2 gals (He of course still needed to pay 100 to each of the gals).

I'm sure that you/OAH will be able to get even better deals with the numbers you're gonna do at the same time. Please report back on what you guys managed to bargain it all down to.

SEAJ

[SE Asia Joe]

I seem to recall a previous discussion on the subject of the RMB100 that you give to the Yalan Mommies, and how it is then further split up.

One of the mommies told me the following and am curious if indeed her info is correct/ruthful or not:

Out of the 100, 60 goes to the "House/the Poppa" and with this he pays all the rent, utilities, protection money and most important, the "fees" to the authorities. Surprisingly, the mommie told me that the poppa actually does not make all that much money after all these fees.
The mommies usually works in pairs - one goes out to get the punter and the other stays behind to "push" their girls to the punter. The 40 is split between the "listing" mommie team (the actual mommie who the gal is under) and the mommie team who brings the punter in. Thus each Mommie gets 10 for each succesful "sale" from another stable, or $20 for one from their own stable.

But then one of the gals I got told me that out of the 100 I directly give to her, she has to rebate back 10 to her mommie!

And then there is...... the Hui Mei alley - where the fee to the mommie is only 50.... and at the Night market, where it could go down to 30 to the mommie.

Anybody here REALLY know how our "fee" is split up?..... errrr... anybody cares??!!


SEAJ

[Bnlee2]

I seem to recall a previous discussion on the subject of the RMB100 that you give to the Yalan Mommies, and how it is then further split up.

SEAJI have a HK friend that owns one of the higher end KTV in shenzhen/low wu. He told me that for the sitting fee the house get 100 of the 200 paid to the girl. For some of the popular higher end KTV, the girls pay an initiation fee to the KTV before they can work there. Any infraction, eg. Customer compliant, late for work etc. Is a deduction and or penalty these girls must pay. If they do not want to pay then they can not work there. There net is what they can negotiate with the mommies.

I was told that for places like Jia Yi or the old Amazon KTV the initiation fee could get rather high for them, atleast 10K rmb before starting. Some or most borrows the funds to pay for it and pay high interest rates for the loan. For a st fee of 500rmb at best they may get only 250 or 300 rmb net. For st fee they pay the mommies a higher amount than just a sitting fee. That is why the mommies are calling them after the second hour, finding out where they are. If they convert to LT then the fee is even higher. There is an incentive for the mommies to keep track of them. For LT of 700-800 I think that the girl will only net at best 400 to 450 rmb. With the cost of daily makeup and other incidental charges and rent/housing, I do not think the best girls makes more than 5000rmb per month.

Any other isg wanting to chime, I welcome it. This is just an opinion from talking to a number of them.

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[Wadman]

Yes, weekends are slower than usual too. So I am told. And it seems to be true too, because on a few occasions I have gone to BBS and nightmarket around 10-12 pm on a weekend. Usually, at these times, there would be nothing but leftovers, if that. But now you can actually get some that are non-doglike.

My mommy tells me that it's fewer guys. Her number of girls have not increased. But then, maybe that's just her case.

And Joe, her is name is Xue'er not Xu'er. She is looking for a boyfriend, asked me to find one for her. I told her that you would be perfect. Unlike the rest of us, you actually care about the girls and their orgasms. Even with working girls.

While it's true that some factories in DG are struggling and some closing up, I am not so sure how much this affects CP. CP's main customer base is the Hongkies. The money market problems affect a lot of Hongkies directly, so yes, undoubtedly it affects business in CP.



Wadman, are you counting the weekends? I recall during the weekends you could not fine a room at some of the higher end hotels like Miraton and Walter. Furthermore, on the weekends after 11:00 most BBS were empty and were completely Sold Out. It must be the bad worldwide economy. I have also read lots of factories in Dongguan shutdown causing some unemployment.

[SE Asia Joe]

Yes, weekends are slower than usual too. So I am told. And it seems to be true too, because on a few occasions I have gone to BBS and nightmarket around 10-12 pm on a weekend. Usually, at these times, there would be nothing but leftovers, if that. But now you can actually get some that are non-doglike.

My mommy tells me that it's fewer guys. Her number of girls have not increased. But then, maybe that's just her case.

And Joe, her is name is Xue'er not Xu'er. She is looking for a boyfriend, asked me to find one for her. I told her that you would be perfect. Unlike the rest of us, you actually care about the girls and their orgasms. Even with working girls.

While it's true that some factories in DG are struggling and some closing up, I am not so sure how much this affects CP. CP's main customer base is the Hongkies. The money market problems affect a lot of Hongkies directly, so yes, undoubtedly it affects business in CP.
Are you sure its Xue'er - and not Do'er? so ..... you been doin' her huh??!! And what is it with this orgasm thing - wot - did she tell you "Sorry but I didn't come" and thus you're turning her on to me?? Now WTF am I gonna do?!

So, now that you tell us that week-ends in CP ain't all that bad, are you gonna come out to CP during week-ends more often? Last saturday we had a blast over at the Fuhao - Wapec, IS350 and I had 7 gals between us, the Mommie stayed with us pretty well all night and Mongoose came at 10:30 to just chill. Again lots of food, and wasted drinks (damn - those gals still ordering those sweet milk based crap thats gonna line up their innards with melamine!) and the bill for 5-1/2 hours was RMB350 for each of us. Wapec took back a younger sister and I took the older one.... but that greedy SOB asked that after I'm thru with her, to send over mine.... and he went ahead and did both of them!

SEAJ

[OldAsiaHand]

SEAJ:

I reckon your Yalan split is pretty close but I think the house only gets 50 RMB and the rest is split by the mommies involved. What I have been told is that the runners make less than the mommy with the stable but the runners make the same regardless of which stable the girl is selected from.

The night market is like a BBS; 30 or 50 to the mommy, 100 to the girl. In Huimei, the same runners seem to work all the shops so it could be less complicated.

Just my POV.

OAH




I seem to recall a previous discussion on the subject of the RMB100 that you give to the Yalan Mommies, and how it is then further split up.

One of the mommies told me the following and am curious if indeed her info is correct/ruthful or not:

Out of the 100, 60 goes to the "House/the Poppa" and with this he pays all the rent, utilities, protection money and most important, the "fees" to the authorities. Surprisingly, the mommie told me that the poppa actually does not make all that much money after all these fees.
The mommies usually works in pairs - one goes out to get the punter and the other stays behind to "push" their girls to the punter. The 40 is split between the "listing" mommie team (the actual mommie who the gal is under) and the mommie team who brings the punter in. Thus each Mommie gets 10 for each succesful "sale" from another stable, or $20 for one from their own stable.

But then one of the gals I got told me that out of the 100 I directly give to her, she has to rebate back 10 to her mommie!

And then there is...... the Hui Mei alley - where the fee to the mommie is only 50.... and at the Night market, where it could go down to 30 to the mommie.

Anybody here REALLY know how our "fee" is split up?..... errrr... anybody cares??!!


SEAJ

[Moody]

I have a HK friend that owns one of the higher end KTV in shenzhen/low wu. He told me that for the sitting fee the house get 100 of the 200 paid to the girl.

Any KTV in Shenzhen where the girl gets 200RMB is not a "higher end KTV." At the high end KTVs, tips start at 500. Even the mid-range places start at 300. If tips at the place your friend owns starts at at 200, it's like a bar or a small place with "youjidui" girls.

Also a couple other things you wrote about... Also not too correct....

[Wadman]

Are you sure its Xue'er - and not Do'er? so ..... you been doin' her huh??!! And what is it with this orgasm thing - wot - did she tell you "Sorry but I didn't come" and thus you're turning her on to me?? Now WTF am I gonna do?!


You are going to show her how it's done properly of course. Show her how much better you are than us young punks who know nothing about women.



So, now that you tell us that week-ends in CP ain't all that bad, are you gonna come out to CP during week-ends more often?

Well, weekends are better than usual, but that's all. Weekends in CP are crappier than weekdays in CP, which in turn are not as good as CA any day of the week.

[Wadman]

Usually the girl will use different kinds of liquids to blow you in a sauna: coke, milk, mouthwash, etc. Mine including coke, but the thing is there was ginger in it too. The girl told me this upfront, but I figured I would try it anyway. Sure enough, it starts to tingle in a few seconds. After less than 1 minute it's a burning sensation, so I pulled her off, and told her to use the mouthwash instead. Ahhhh... much better.

[OldAsiaHand]

My favorite (hehe) is the AR with the chili oil. Check for this before you get up on your hands and knees. It burns like hell!


Usually the girl will use different kinds of liquids to blow you in a sauna: coke, milk, mouthwash, etc. Mine including coke, but the thing is there was ginger in it too. The girl told me this upfront, but I figured I would try it anyway. Sure enough, it starts to tingle in a few seconds. After less than 1 minute it's a burning sensation, so I pulled her off, and told her to use the mouthwash instead. Ahhhh... much better.

[SE Asia Joe]

Jeeeezzzz.... had weird things happen to us all day yesterday.

The day started off well enough with a great.... and cheap... Peking duck lunch in SZ and reservations for massage rooms at Dung Fong Mei Lee in CA at RMB50 (vs. usual 138) - special price for us "good clients"!!

Then it started! My recommendations to Wadman to take my gal who had been soooo professional last time and had blown me as soon as I came into the room - sans even cleaning up my little pecker - was a dud and Wadman complained that she had even tried to only give him a CBJ!! Then Alex took a gal who he thought was 400 (she wasn't anythin' special) but who turned out to be a 500 one. Damn.... us experienced mongers do NOT make these kinds of newbie mistakes.

Then we had problems trying to find Star of Star and ended up driving all around CA but luckily got there by 7:00 - expecting a great night. Then it started to go downhill. Alex's beautiful - and I mean REALLY beautiful gal - started giving him a hassle as soon as she sat down and ended up refusing to even sit next to him!! WHAT???? Never heard of this and we of course promptly called Mommie who set matters straight - but of course by then the atmosphere had already deteriorated. I mean, it was so bad.... that King of KTV Moody FELL ASLEEP! And even the DJ - hell, like I said it was so bad that without us asking for it, we had 3 - THREE!! Dj's in succession coming and leaving our room that at the end of evening, we could not even locate a DJ to give the DJ fee to!! Then the naked dance - which lasted a whole.... ONE song!

OK OK, it cannot be a total unmitigated disaster - right? There is, after all, the POP! Wellll.... Wadman's gal refused to blow him (what happened to him - did the Blow Job fairy abandon him??) and he threw her out! Mine??? Mine...??? She only made feeble attempts at it.... and then started crying and telling me that her boyfriend was MURDERED in Shanghai a couple months ago, and how she's forced to do this, how she misses him, how she wants to kill herself too..... OHMIGAWD!! All I want was a good time - and she's talkin' about killing herself OMIGAWD!!

OK OK, we gave up and asked for the bill.... and it came with charges for 2 short term rooms (Wadman's and Mine) and a long term one for Alex .... whilst we had ALWAYS got comped for at least 1 free ST room previously. I was pissed...really pissed... and called for Mommie...who came in totally wasted! Here she was, a senior Momma at Star of Star, drunk as a skunk and hardly able to stand up. On a Wednesday night?? And it was disgusting having to talk to her just to get that one lousy room comped!!

Leaving... at last leaving.... and Moody piled into a taxi to go home - and the Guard there promptly kicked the door of the taxi for daring to steal a customer from the Pirates all neatly parked outside. Jeez... how dare that S.O.B. do THAT to our KTV king??!!

What a night!! What a night!!!

SEAJ

Ps. Posted pictures in the foto gallery.
I think I can atribute all the above to the fact that these gals were ALL new arrivals to the game. The downside to "New Stock." Not a good idea to have so many amateurs I say!!

[Wadman]

Then it started! My recommendations to Wadman to take my gal who had been soooo professional last time and had blown me as soon as I came into the room - sans even cleaning up my little pecker - was a dud and Wadman complained that she had even tried to only give him a CBJ!!


She wasn't that bad, just not as good as the first one I had there. In the end, she pretty much did everything I wanted her too. But only after some back and forth arguing, it sure kills the mood... Her CIMs were half-assed. A couple more sessions in that sauna, and I will be throwing out girls with these kind of attitudes, see if management has the balls to offend a repeat customer, hehehe.



Then we had problems trying to find Star of Star and ended up driving all around CA but luckily got there by 7:00


Good God, it was like an extra 5-10 minutes



And even the DJ - hell, like I said it was so bad that without us asking for it, we had 3 - THREE!! Dj's in succession coming and leaving our room that at the end of evening, we could not even locate a DJ to give the DJ fee to!!


That was the strangest DJ ever. Taking off without collecting her tip. We didn't even do anything to her. Well, I lifted her skirt a couple of times, but hey, it comes with the territory.



Then the naked dance - which lasted a whole.... ONE song!


The standard is 1-2 songs for that place. Ours was a pretty long one, so I have no complains there.



OK OK, it cannot be a total unmitigated disaster - right? There is, after all, the POP! Wellll.... Wadman's gal refused to blow him (what happened to him - did the Blow Job fairy abandon him??) and he threw her out! Mine??? Mine...??? She only made feeble attempts at it.... and then started crying and telling me that her boyfriend was MURDERED in Shanghai a couple months ago, and how she's forced to do this, how she misses him, how she wants to kill herself too..... OHMIGAWD!! All I want was a good time - and she's talkin' about killing herself OMIGAWD!!


Mine started out saying she doesn't like doing BJ. So I asked her whether she means DOES NOT LIKE or WILL NOT DO bj. After a lot of back and forth, she finally admitted she doesn't want to do it, and has never done a BJ before. She used to work at DFML KTV, but she says too much competition there - too many girls. She only gets picked about 3 times per week. She also said she has never gone back with a customer before (maybe they fired her at DFML for this?), cause she doesn't like it. She wants to make just enough money, and then go back to Henan.

That complain session with the mommy earlier clearly had the girls intimidated. Mine apologized and said it was OK if I didn't give her any money at all. Not wanting to be mean (not that mean anyway), I gave her her 200 rmb sitting fee. And reminded her that she wasted my time, and 100 ST room fee.

Mommy had a great line for the girls: "if she doesn't like to be felt up, then she can go back and work on the farm!" Gotta remember that one for the next unwilling girl.



OK OK, we gave up and asked for the bill.... and it came with charges for 2 short term rooms (Wadman's and Mine) and a long term one for Alex .... whilst we had ALWAYS got comped for at least 1 free ST room previously. I was pissed...really pissed... and called for Mommie...who came in totally wasted! Here she was, a senior Momma at Star of Star, drunk as a skunk and hardly able to stand up. On a Wednesday night?? And it was disgusting having to talk to her just to get that one lousy room comped!!


She looked drunk. Apparently some customers started toasting her with "bai jiu". Maybe that's why she liked hanging out in our room, we only drank beer.

All this does bring up one question: since we (almost) always have a good time at the saunas in CA but not so much the KTVs, why do we bother with the KTV part? Next time we should do sauna->foot massage->foot massage->sauna.

[SE Asia Joe]

All this does bring up one question: since we (almost) always have a good time at the saunas in CA but not so much the KTVs, why do we bother with the KTV part? Next time we should do sauna->foot massage->foot massage->sauna.
Thats a GREAT question - and one I've been pondering for some time nowadays on ALL KTV's whether in CA, CP, HKG or wherever!!

Is it a throwback from the old days when KTV's/Clubs were the "prime" destination to go to to get a gal? I mean, used to, I and I would think most others, would first think about going to a KTV/Club to get a gal as Saunas is actually a more recent "development" (and started only by giving very basic services)and BBS's an even more recent one.

Nowdays, the "services" by the gals at the Saunas are vastly superior to that offered by the KTV gals - and certainly a helluva lot cheaper. BBS's and HKG's 141's started flourishing only very recently and in the case of HKG, only really "took off" with the advent of the internet - but nowadays offers sooooo much cheaper alternative to the KTV experience. Actually BBS's and 141's still does carry the stigma of being only for the "lower classes" but on the other, nowadays I see these venues gaining acceptance from a wider audience of afficianadoes from all class strata.

I don't know.... seems that the KTV experience has sort of lost its lustre for me as it just involves too much rigamarole, unneccesary cost and waste of time. I mean, great, the build up of the whole evening, paryting and wooing the gal - but it involves too much drinking, taking care of too many expenses like DJ's, snacks for the gals, being hard-sold on various candy/stuffed animal/ snack sales, and worse, having to endure some crappy singers like me!

Is it just a force of habit that so many of us ends up at KTV's?

SEAJ

[Moody]

Moody FELL ASLEEP! !


What can I say.... It's the jetlag. Woke up at 3am that morning after about 3 hours of sleep and about 4 hours of sleep the night before... I surprised I lasted as long as I did.

[Freepeaks]

Joe - you are right on the KTV being a bastion of quality looks and that does wear off. After a while doing a hottie that isn't into it or complains is worse than going home empty handed.


You are right that it can often get overbilled and ruin the fun. I think that is why you like the Swan Lake as it is a throwback with decent quality girls, excellent service and at 250 a head you can't beat the price.

Does anyone have an opinion of taking a BBS girl for overnight and to a KTV? I seem to think the HK crowd does this alot, but perhaps I am mistaken, certainly it would be fun to grab one from Swan Lake in the afternoon and if they are good book them for the night.

Looks like all of you are losing your KTV touch in your old age.lol. SEAJ - 'i always pick the winners' having a losing streak? Moody falling asleep and Wadman not keeping these guys in line? Geesh.

[ManonsanBoy]

Thats a GREAT question - and one I've been pondering for some time nowadays on ALL KTV's whether in CA, CP, HKG or wherever!!

I don't know.... seems that the KTV experience has sort of lost its lustre for me as it just involves too much rigamarole, unneccesary cost and waste of time.

SEAJ

KTV and sauna have different purposes. KTV allows you to flirt, grope, sing, drink......................if sex is what you want, I agree, waste of time. Sauna is concentrated pampering to a routine. BBS is just maccas. The problem with BBS is where you need to do it; I compromise by takeaways.

[Pleasure Dude]

SEAJ,

You are right. A lot of time and unnecessary cost is being wasted at KTVs but where else can you enjoy 1. the atmosphere and 2. the company of your buddies with a bunch of hot wgs? =)

I think another great alternative is to find a wg girl that you like and take her out for the day. Take her around town and do what you normally would do in CP (foot massages, dinner, DVDs etc...). After being pampered, I am sure the girl will provide even better service back at your hotel room . I just wish there is more to do in CP than just foot massages and the crappy railroad park. Any recommendations?

PD



Thats a GREAT question - and one I've been pondering for some time nowadays on ALL KTV's whether in CA, CP, HKG or wherever!!


SEAJ

[OldAsiaHand]

Does anyone have an opinion of taking a BBS girl for overnight and to a KTV? I seem to think the HK crowd does this alot, but perhaps I am mistaken, certainly it would be fun to grab one from Swan Lake in the afternoon and if they are good book them for the night.

I have done this a few times. Most of the time, the BBS girl feels like an outsider and does not get into the flow of things at the KTV, especially if she is the only girl not selected from the KTV line-ups.

Although the KTV girls are in competition, it is usually a friendly competition. These girls work together every night. They cannot help but make friends. If you get the right mix of competition and friends, it makes for the perfect KTV experience.

As most of you know, I am not a big KTV fan because I don't like to drink that much, my voice is terrible and the sex is really what I am looking for. That said, I have noticed lately that getting the girl a bit drunk can result in better service.

Just my POV.

OAH

[OldAsiaHand]

BBS is just maccas. The problem with BBS is where you need to do it; I compromise by takeaways.

I agree with your assessment of the downside in the accomodation. Some places are better than others, but the thought of how many punters have come (pun intended) before you can be a real turn-off for some. Others like it down and dirty.

This is why I like CP. All the BBS are takeaway. Even outside of CP, small hotels are cropping up everywhere in China and most offer ST rates for 50-100 RMB. Worth the extra investment for clean sheets and towels.

Just my POV.

OAH

[SE Asia Joe]

SEAJ,

You are right. A lot of time and unnecessary cost is being wasted at KTVs but where else can you enjoy 1. the atmosphere and 2. the company of your buddies with a bunch of hot wgs? =)

I think another great alternative is to find a wg girl that you like and take her out for the day. Take her around town and do what you normally would do in CP (foot massages, dinner, DVDs etc...). After being pampered, I am sure the girl will provide even better service back at your hotel room . I just wish there is more to do in CP than just foot massages and the crappy railroad park. Any recommendations?

PD
Hey PD - You are right about enjoying the atmosphere with buds etc - but like I said, I AM starting to think if its really all worth it - especially having experienced a few crappy KTV gals and of course to cap it all off, what happened to us in CA Wednesday vs. the high %age hit rate of great BBs and Sauna gals.

Yes, its the sex part that I am talking about - and w/these gals, I really ain't lookin' for long term affairs - just to fall in love with them WHILST I am with them!!

I'm just wondering if it's just force of habit that makes me go to KTV's - in that this WAS the thing to do in the "olden" days to get the best that China had to offer.

Hey, there is that "Clean" KTV across from the Miraton - with the quite good rooms and Beer/Drinks that you need to "grocery shop" at the shop adjacent. Now that is Cheap Cheap Cheap and OK quality - and that may be THE place to go and party with Buds....bringing in our own BBS gals. These BBS gals really appreciate being treated like Human Beings -and I betcha, if we "pamper' them the way that you pamper your KTV gals, we'll really score big time!!! What do you think??

SEAJ

[SE Asia Joe]

Joe - you are right on the KTV being a bastion of quality looks and that does wear off. After a while doing a hottie that isn't into it or complains is worse than going home empty handed.


You are right that it can often get overbilled and ruin the fun. I think that is why you like the Swan Lake as it is a throwback with decent quality girls, excellent service and at 250 a head you can't beat the price.

Does anyone have an opinion of taking a BBS girl for overnight and to a KTV? I seem to think the HK crowd does this alot, but perhaps I am mistaken, certainly it would be fun to grab one from Swan Lake in the afternoon and if they are good book them for the night.

Looks like all of you are losing your KTV touch in your old age.lol. SEAJ - 'i always pick the winners' having a losing streak? Moody falling asleep and Wadman not keeping these guys in line? Geesh.
Yeah yeah yeah.... its jaded old eyes .... that's the problem. Not only been there done that but more like OH, Jeez, again??!!

As far as Swan Lake is concerned, its NOT all about the price, although it is excellent value at 250/head and 1-3-6 pricing; but note that last week, we went to Fuhao and it wasn't much more at 350/head. More so than anything, its the "what the hell, let's have fun myself tonight" attitude of the SWL gals that makes for a raucious and fun night. The regular KTV gals - well..... their attitude seems to be more and more - I am beautiful, you gotta treat me with respect and admiration, I don't go out with just anybody, I'm doing a favor allowing you to pay me to screw me. yeah - right!!

And don't tell me tat the BBS gals are NOT good looking. In fact, I think lots of them are surprisingly fetching!! Now, I'll tell ya - until OAH, Santa etc turned me on to BBS gals, I always used to think that these BBS gals were only for coolies!! YUP - BBS and Saunas HAVE gone a long way UP!!

SEAJ

[SE Asia Joe]

That said, I have noticed lately that getting the girl a bit drunk can result in better service.

Just my POV.

OAH

That is what I'm talking about. These high fallutin' KTV gals and needing for us to get 'em drunk before they unleash their own wild beast. Now think about it - why should we need to ply 'em with drinks and foood and compliments and whatever else. Hell I am the spender, the one who's paying for her company.... and I need to cater to her for her to give me a modicum of "service??"

What is this nonsense?? Too damn many of you BSD's, Rock Star partiers, "I know the mommy/manager, so let your guard down" types and of course, the worse ones - the real BSD PRC guys who does "court and swoon" the gals though several visits and dates and whatever!! Let's instill a bit of discipline in these KTV Gals will ya' guys!!.

I mean - look'it what happened w/that beautiful gal with Alex - hell, yes, beautiful - but for her to refuse to sit with him??? And he just told me that she was a total dead fish in bed. What a freakin' waste of time, effort and money!! And versus "pick and choose" a BBS gal amongst zillions of 'em, do her for 130-200 and if good, keep/repeat her, if not, get back on the saddle and ride another one.

At those prices AND for the length of time to do it, we can easily afford to do this versus the whole evening spent, RMB200-2,000/head KTV fee (and Yes, I HAD in the past needed to pay that much, especially in Hong Kong) and then nowadays the 2-5-8 or 3-6-9 or 5-10-15 or whatever fees..... what a freakin' waste of Time, money AND my essence!!

Like OAH, just my POV. Is that like IMHO??!!

SEAJ

Ps. Please add to the list of transgressors all these newbies who come on the board and state "...and money is not a problem, I just want the best..."

[Pleasure Dude]

Hey Joe,

It sounds like a great idea and will give it a try when I am in CP in two weeks. I am not looking for any kind of relationship with the wgs but just enjoying their companionship for the time being. Since I am single and constantly on the road, it is really nice to be able to sit down with a nice girl and enjoy a quiet dinner. Lastly, all wgs are human beings too so I think we should treat them with all due respect. I always go by the saying, treat others as how you want to be treated. I am sure if you pamper the girls well, you will be rewarded with better service at the end.

cheers.
PD




Hey, there is that "Clean" KTV across from the Miraton - with the quite good rooms and Beer/Drinks that you need to "grocery shop" at the shop adjacent. Now that is Cheap Cheap Cheap and OK quality - and that may be THE place to go and party with Buds....bringing in our own BBS gals. These BBS gals really appreciate being treated like Human Beings -and I betcha, if we "pamper' them the way that you pamper your KTV gals, we'll really score big time!!! What do you think??

SEAJ

[SE Asia Joe]

OH WOW - I got ON!!

I'm here sitting at the Swan Lake - in a computer equipped room as they've run out of the regular room - and by miracle, I managed to get on via a proxy. Don't ask me how I did it - I cain't retrace the steps even if I tried!!

Anyway, I totally agree with what you said - excepting that I THINK I'll try it more with these BBS gals rather than the KTV gals this week-end. I'll report back what happens - and by two weeks time, we should be able to figure out if it works better or not!!

SEAJ

Hey Joe,

It sounds like a great idea and will give it a try when I am in CP in two weeks. I am not looking for any kind of relationship with the wgs but just enjoying their companionship for the time being. Since I am single and constantly on the road, it is really nice to be able to sit down with a nice girl and enjoy a quiet dinner. Lastly, all wgs are human beings too so I think we should treat them with all due respect. I always go by the saying, treat others as how you want to be treated. I am sure if you pamper the girls well, you will be rewarded with better service at the end.

cheers.
PD

[SE Asia Joe]

Huh?? what happened to my last post?
It somehow disappeared
SEAJ

[OldAsiaHand]

Anyway, I totally agree with what you said - excepting that I THINK I'll try it more with these BBS gals rather than the KTV gals this week-end. I'll report back what happens - and by two weeks time, we should be able to figure out if it works better or not!!
SEAJ

SEAJ,

You have been spoiled by BBS girls in CP. They are not the norm, but rather an exception to the rule. Most BBS girls in other places are in a hurry and provide crap service. The larger the city and the higher the traffic, the worst it is. Not to say that you never find a diamond in the rough, just a general rule. It is very rare for a punter to take them LT so they make their living on turnover. Their market is transient. The more time they spend in the BBS and the less time with each punter, the more money they make. Simple Economics 101.

In CP on the other hand, there are many punters that take the BBS girls LT. They make 400 RMB. What is the chance that they can pull 4 ST for the same money? Therefore, many will perform better in the hope of you keeping them LT. Again, Economics 101.

On a personal note, you are a regular customer and you often repeat with the same mama/girl. The girls and mamas recognize this and would like to build brand loyalty to a certain extent when it serves them. That said, they pay you no never mind if they are pitching a large group of BSDs. Again, Economics 101.

I, on the other hand, have a reputation as a ST butterfly. I nearly never repeat girls or do LT and have no loyalty to any mama, with the exception of maybe Hua Hua who I have been doing business with for years. The girls/mamas know this so the service is hit or miss for me. I get better service from new arrivals who are not aware of my reputation. Economics 101.

Just my POV.

OAH

[Wadman]

I think another great alternative is to find a wg girl that you like and take her out for the day. Take her around town and do what you normally would do in CP (foot massages, dinner, DVDs etc...). After being pampered, I am sure the girl will provide even better service back at your hotel room . I just wish there is more to do in CP than just foot massages and the crappy railroad park. Any recommendations?

PD

Taking a BBS girl to do these things may not necessarily be appreciated by the girl. Especially on a Friday or Saturday afternoon/night, time is money for the girls. The ones really driven to make money can't be bothered with a nice dinner, drinking, foot massages, etc. So make sure the girl understands what the deal is BEFOREHAND. For example: you do her ST, then invite her out for meal/drinks/massage. If she turns out to be bitchy/not friendly, or just not appealing in some way, you may not want to take her back anymore. But she will still expect extra money. Unless you have made this clear upfront, and she has accepted.

Another reason why some girls may not be crazy about doing this, is because they have "boyfriends". These are more like boyfriends/pimps, but anyway... The point is that neither the BFS nor the girls enjoy you parading "their girl" around town. I know, everyone knows what the girl does for a living, but showing it off in public is another matter.

[Wadman]

Hey, there is that "Clean" KTV across from the Miraton - with the quite good rooms and Beer/Drinks that you need to "grocery shop" at the shop adjacent. Now that is Cheap Cheap Cheap and OK quality - and that may be THE place to go and party with Buds....bringing in our own BBS gals. These BBS gals really appreciate being treated like Human Beings -and I betcha, if we "pamper' them the way that you pamper your KTV gals, we'll really score big time!!! What do you think??

SEAJ

The "clean KTV" across the road from Miraton is cheap alright. They charge the room by the hour, 50 rmb per hour or something like that. You buy your own food and drinks from a nearby store. But if you tip one of the attendants there 50-100 rmb, I am sure he will wait hand and foot on you.

The thing is, most Chinese girls cannot handle alcohol. The ones that can, work in a KTV. So drinking with your BBS girl may not be much fun.

I am sure you will really "score big time" if you pay a BBS girl like a KTV girl: 800 LT.

[Wadman]

SEAJ,
You have been spoiled by BBS girls in CP. They are not the norm, but rather an exception to the rule. Most BBS girls in other places are in a hurry and provide crap service. The larger the city and the higher the traffic, the worst it is. Not to say that you never find a diamond in the rough, just a general rule. It is very rare for a punter to take them LT so they make their living on turnover. Their market is transient. The more time they spend in the BBS and the less time with each punter, the more money they make. Simple Economics 101.


And then there is the case of the BBS girl I get from the HuiMei back alley. Although a bit chubby, she had a friendly, smiling face. None of that "thought I bit into an orange but turned out to be a lemon" face that a lot of PRC girls have. She was really good. Great BBBJ, great AR. Both as long as I wanted. All the while she was complaining (but in a cute way) that I was making her do sauna stuff. CIM both times. I gave her 500 for 2 rounds. She has called me 20(!) times since then... You tip them a bit, and they just won't go away.



In CP on the other hand, there are many punters that take the BBS girls LT. They make 400 RMB. What is the chance that they can pull 4 ST for the same money? Therefore, many will perform better in the hope of you keeping them LT. Again, Economics 101.


Hmmm...out of the 400/500 (depending on where you get your BBS girl in CP), mommy gets 150. So the girl ends up with 250/350. Especially in the 250 case, unless it's late, the girl may prefer to do more STs (where they keep 100 rmb). Even if she does only 1 more ST, at least she gets to go home and sleep. Unless you are really fun to hang around with, that's what they prefer.

Lately, business has been crappy for the girls in CP. A lot of guys have reported that the girls indeed try for LT now. Weekends excepted, a lot of girls don't get "sold" by night's end.

[Pleasure Dude]

Hey Wadman,

I know not all girls are appreciative of us taking them out and parading them around in CP but there are some girls that do enjoy spending quality time with. They will get paid for spending time with us while getting free food, free foot massages, and maybe even a small gift or two. I don't see any downside to that.

Some wgs are just straight out bitches and I will send them back right away. Just like you said, I usually take a girl out for ST first and see if there is a connection between us before I propose keeping her for LT. Even if it is on a weekend, I usually make her time with me worthwhile. At the rate we are paying the KTV girls for ST, I don't see any problem keeping a bbs girl for LT. I also agree with SEAJ that there isn't really much difference between BBS and KTV girls. There is one time I found a wg that really clicks and we ended up spending almost 3 days together. We went to different parks in cp and also that lame Happy Kingdom theme park in Shenzhen for a day. At the end, she didn't want to be paid but I secretly stuffed some money in her purse right before she left. It was still a business transaction after all and I didn't want to owe her anything. At the end, I got wonderful gf treatment and also a short vacation that I was looking for.

Cheers,
PD


Taking a BBS girl to do these things may not necessarily be appreciated by the girl. Especially on a Friday or Saturday afternoon/night, time is money for the girls. The ones really driven to make money can't be bothered with a nice dinner, drinking, foot massages, etc. So make sure the girl understands what the deal is BEFOREHAND. For example: you do her ST, then invite her out for meal/drinks/massage. If she turns out to be bitchy/not friendly, or just not appealing in some way, you may not want to take her back anymore. But she will still expect extra money. Unless you have made this clear upfront, and she has accepted.

Another reason why some girls may not be crazy about doing this, is because they have "boyfriends". These are more like boyfriends/pimps, but anyway... The point is that neither the BFS nor the girls enjoy you parading "their girl" around town. I know, everyone knows what the girl does for a living, but showing it off in public is another matter.

[Wadman]

Some wgs are just straight out bitches and I will send them back right away. Just like you said, I usually take a girl out for ST first and see if there is a connection between us before I propose keeping her for LT. Even if it is on a weekend, I usually make her time with me worthwhile. At the rate we are paying the KTV girls for ST, I don't see any problem keeping a bbs girl for LT.


Hey, hey, hey! I was just kidding about paying BBS girls 800 LT! If you do that, pretty soon that will become the new standard price.



I also agree with SEAJ that there isn't really much difference between BBS and KTV girls.


Agreed,
KTV girl = she can drink
Sauna girl = she wants to make lots of money and is willing to do the nasty stuff
BBS girl = cannot drink, will not AR/CIM



There is one time I found a wg that really clicks and we ended up spending almost 3 days together. We went to different parks in cp and also that lame Happy Kingdom theme park in Shenzhen for a day. At the end, she didn't want to be paid but I secretly stuffed some money in her purse right before she left. It was still a business transaction after all and I didn't want to owe her anything. At the end, I got wonderful gf treatment and also a short vacation that I was looking for.


PD, having met you I know you are a nice guy, both to your buddies and the WGs. But KE-RIST!!! I assume you paid for transportation and accommodation in Shenzhen. And the Happy Valley tickets. And food. And gifts/souvenirs. And whatever else. She got the grand tour of Shenzhen at your expense. And you are paying her on top of that? I have taken girls to Shenzhen tours too, but only as "real girlfriends", i.e. no pay.

[SE Asia Joe]

SEAJ,

You have been spoiled by BBS girls in CP. They are not the norm, but rather an exception to the rule. Most BBS girls in other places are in a hurry and provide crap service. The larger the city and the higher the traffic, the worst it is. Not to say that you never find a diamond in the rough, just a general rule. It is very rare for a punter to take them LT so they make their living on turnover. Their market is transient. The more time they spend in the BBS and the less time with each punter, the more money they make. Simple Economics 101.

In CP on the other hand, there are many punters that take the BBS girls LT. They make 400 RMB. What is the chance that they can pull 4 ST for the same money? Therefore, many will perform better in the hope of you keeping them LT. Again, Economics 101.

On a personal note, you are a regular customer and you often repeat with the same mama/girl. The girls and mamas recognize this and would like to build brand loyalty to a certain extent when it serves them. That said, they pay you no never mind if they are pitching a large group of BSDs. Again, Economics 101.

I, on the other hand, have a reputation as a ST butterfly. I nearly never repeat girls or do LT and have no loyalty to any mama, with the exception of maybe Hua Hua who I have been doing business with for years. The girls/mamas know this so the service is hit or miss for me. I get better service from new arrivals who are not aware of my reputation. Economics 101.

Just my POV.

OAH
Using this cptr at the Swan Lake is really dodgy!! I write something.... and it appears for a while... and then disappear... and after a few hours it comes back on!
Anyway, I just got done with KTV at the Swan Lake and I am truly truly ashamed!! It was only the 2 of us - Alex and I - and the bill came to 788 plus 100 for the DJ! DAMN!! The mistake was that we ordered too many small dishes - and didn't wait for the Mommie to comp us these snacks as we wanted to have an early night, plus perhaps we probably.... no I probably had too many gals with me. I chose 2, then my regular showed up and then I took pity on her friend who hadn't had any business the whole day; so I ended up with 4 gals sitting with me. WTF was I thinking?? WTF was I gonna do w/4 gals??!! IDIOT!

But the evening ended quite nicely as the gal I took back was a real good performer. Tall - at least 5'6" beautiful long legs and Tits...Wow Tits!! So I guess it was not a wasted evening after all. I just need to again apologize to Alex and make sure that I pick up lots of bills the rest of the week-end!

SEAJ
Ps. Oh I guess I better say something back to you OAH. Are you sure its not my charm and debonair?? You sure now?? OK!

[OldAsiaHand]

Ps. Oh I guess I better say something back to you OAH. Are you sure its not my charm and debonair?? You sure now?? OK!

SEAJ,

Your question reminds me of one time in Thailand years ago. I took a newbie customer from the UK to Pattaya for the weekend. We checked into the hotel and I told him we would meet at 8:00PM to have some dinner and chase women. I showed up at his room in shorts and sandals and he was all spiffed up in his Sunday best with cologne on and everything. I asked him why and he replied, "you said we were going out to chase women". I pulled 500 Baht out of my pocket, pasted it on his forehead and said, "this is all you need to wear".

Just my POV.

OAH

[OldAsiaHand]

Lately, business has been crappy for the girls in CP. A lot of guys have reported that the girls indeed try for LT now. Weekends excepted, a lot of girls don't get "sold" by night's end.

I have noticed this trend. I have had to ask a lot more girls to leave after ST lately.

These girls seem to have a 6th sense. They can tell if they have a chance for LT depending on their perception of your satisfaction from their service. They get dressed right away if it did not go well or get back in bed after their post-deed shower if they think you were happy.

I have better luck with the girls that are newer on the game. I think that they get hardened over time and turn into the slam bam type.

Just my POV.

OAH

[OldAsiaHand]

PD, having met you I know you are a nice guy, both to your buddies and the WGs. But KE-RIST!!! I assume you paid for transportation and accommodation in Shenzhen. And the Happy Valley tickets. And food. And gifts/souvenirs. And whatever else. She got the grand tour of Shenzhen at your expense. And you are paying her on top of that? I have taken girls to Shenzhen tours too, but only as "real girlfriends", i.e. no pay.

IMHO, the girls that go for PD's scenario are looking for a ticket out of their misery so to speak. This is why she did not ask for money after the 3 days. She is looking to hook a big fish.

It is difficult and time consuming for guys like PD that only come in for a few days to find "real girlfriends". And, this type always cost me much more than P4P.

I reckon PD's scenario is a good compromise for him. I also travel a lot and it does get lonely on the road. He gets a few days companionship and enjoyment for relatively small money. He understands that it is a commercial transaction and leaves it at that with no strings. Whether it is a genuine GFE or not does not seem to matter to him.

Just my POV.

OAH

[SE Asia Joe]

Whew.... cain't believe that you guys are going back and forth so much on this!! GREAT!!

On another matter - I've been going back and forth w/a member here about the picture I posted on the foto gallery of the gal at the DMFL sauna - that he really would like to do her.

Ok, so I give him all the details about where, phone number, cost etc - but did not give him the exact number of the gal, for of course I cannot remember which number....and he wrote back and asked for the number

It got me thinking - why is it even important which number and which specific gal?? I mean, for Crissakes, its a Sauna and you can have line ups after line ups - and especially at DMFL, you even have NAKED line-ups where the gals all get herded into one room and are ALL naked for you to check the goods prior to chosing.

The grass is greener.....Why is it that another guy's gal is lots of time "desireable" to a punter?? I mean, I was LUSTING after alex's gal that night - and last night, he kept on saying that my gal was great etc.

SEAJ

[Wadman]

IMHO, the girls that go for PD's scenario are looking for a ticket out of their misery so to speak. This is why she did not ask for money after the 3 days. She is looking to hook a big fish.

It is difficult and time consuming for guys like PD that only come in for a few days to find "real girlfriends". And, this type always cost me much more than P4P.

I reckon PD's scenario is a good compromise for him. I also travel a lot and it does get lonely on the road. He gets a few days companionship and enjoyment for relatively small money. He understands that it is a commercial transaction and leaves it at that with no strings. Whether it is a genuine GFE or not does not seem to matter to him.

Just my POV.

OAH

OK, maybe I was ambiguous by what I meant by "real girlfriends", my apologies. Sometimes these are the "freebies". But I have also done this with BBS girls and sauna girls (though not CP sauna girls). Taken them out for the grand tour of Shenzhen, with a theme park or 2, expensive seafood meals, etc. You can easily spend 500 and up just for her half of the costs. What's the logic in paying them on top of that? Make this clear upfront. If she declines, fair enough, move on to the next one.

The most likly girls to accept this are BBS girls. Usually new BBS girls who find out that they don't like the BBS gig at all. They may choose to work part-time. And if they haven't been to Shenzhen before, they would like to see it of course. Otherwise how are they going to brag to their friends and family?

[SE Asia Joe]

SEAJ,

Your question reminds me of one time in Thailand years ago. I took a newbie customer from the UK to Pattaya for the weekend. We checked into the hotel and I told him we would meet at 8:00PM to have some dinner and chase women. I showed up at his room in shorts and sandals and he was all spiffed up in his Sunday best with cologne on and everything. I asked him why and he replied, "you said we were going out to chase women". I pulled 500 Baht out of my pocket, pasted it on his forehead and said, "this is all you need to wear".

Just my POV.

OAH
Wadman is now my style specialist. He insist that I wear shorts and flip flops when we go out hunting. Since then though my hit rate hasn't increased OR diminished. So it proves that its my debonair and good looks that shines!!
That and perhaps the odd little bill here and there - No?
SEAJ

[Daft Boy]

I have been in Changping before and had many ST but I only had freebe for LT. What I want to check before I arrive next week in Changping is : if I take a girl ST and pay the 150 or 200rmb then after the deed decide to keep her LT do I pay the balance of the 400/500rmb or pay the full LT rate?? I don't want to overpay!!!!!
Is there any naked sauna in CP??
I have used the Miraton- Virgin- Hui Hua hotel sauna and have enjoyed every minuite of them but to top it all off would be to have a naked line up sauna.

if anybody is interested in meeting next week I arrive on the night of the 15th next.
Daft Boy.

[SE Asia Joe]

I have been in Changping before and had many ST but I only had freebe for LT. What I want to check before I arrive next week in Changping is : if I take a girl ST and pay the 150 or 200rmb then after the deed decide to keep her LT do I pay the balance of the 400/500rmb or pay the full LT rate?? I don't want to overpay!!!!!
Is there any naked sauna in CP??
I have used the Miraton- Virgin- Hui Hua hotel sauna and have enjoyed every minuite of them but to top it all off would be to have a naked line up sauna.

if anybody is interested in meeting next week I arrive on the night of the 15th next.
Daft Boy.
Aw come on Daft boy - you NEVER pay both the ST and the LT rate - whether from a BBS or a KTV. It's just not on! You eithe rpay the ST or the LT rate - and never ... EVER both no matter where your are in the world! And just for good order sake, if you're in a KTV, you never - repeat never pay the sitting fee on top of the ST or LT fee.
As far as Naked KTV is concerned - we old guys had wanted to keep it sorta quiet - but what the hell - its written all over that Singapore board - so yes - there is a naked KTV (but not as wild as the Chang An ones) at CP. It's at the Fuhao/Plutocrat. and the fees for the naked gals are 2.5-5-8, whilst for the non naked gals its the usual 2-5-8

SEAJ

[SE Asia Joe]

I...... want to sleep but hell.,I just am all bright and bushy tailed. And I ain't even jet lagged or anything - and thus am back on here....whether you guys like it or not... and even if I write my usual BS!!

Anyway, hey - who would've thunk that the Hui Mei would go ahead and re-decorate and refresh their KTV. Moody heard about it and decided that it would be a good change. Not bad, not bad at all - although their gals ain't all that great yet - but am quite sure that its gonna improve soon enough. The usual 2-5-8 and beer is RMB 35@ buy 2 get 1 free, and their English song selection is OK whilst the sound system would even let a lousy singer like me sound OK.
Wadman and I got a couple Cantonese speaking gals (Now why the hell would Wadman do that - his Cantonese is terrible!! But he fell in love with her nonetheless, and shjit - now I gotta teach him how to speak the lingo), A gets his usual virginal looking love of his life, Moody latched on to the first sexy (and Tall) looking gal as soon as he walks in and our Korean friend was with his regular. And then my friend A Pui came over to check out MY goods and passed her seal of approval!! Chubby little Cantonese speaking Szechuen gal who came and came and came!! Really!! True!! Scout's honour - Oh what the hell, so I lie a bit - she only came when I gave her, her 500!!

Bill for the night for 5 of us 1,788 plus 2x200 for the dj's - not bad for a nice place - 440 for each of us. And oh by the way, Mr Ng my new buddy from HKG came and drank our beer too - but of course I did some serious damage to his bill when I visited him in his room. Tit for Tat I guess, but i'm just happy with my Tit (WOW!!) for the night. Ahhhh, now all I need to do is wait for A Pui to come and knock on my door tomorrow at 11 for our usual breakfast in bed. What is it.... Life is Good?? Yeah, damn right ....life is good in China.

SEAJ

[Playboy2000]

I mean, for Crissakes, its a Sauna and you can have line ups after line ups - and especially at DMFL, you even have NAKED line-ups where the gals all get herded into one room and are ALL naked for you to check the goods prior to chosing.
SEAJ

I was in Chang An for two nights in August, hanging out with the Singapore crowd. I found CP to be generally good fun. While there I went to two KTVs: JiAn and DMFL. Both were fun, but I enjoyed JiAn more (probably just the draw of cards...I mean the girls). We also went to a "dirty footy" which also has sauna. I am wondering if this was the DMFL sauna? Is the DMFL sauna actually in the same building as the DMFL KTV? Or is it down the road. The place I went to was in a distinctly different building...but I think in the same general neighborhood. I didn't do a suana, only a foot massage, which was excellent - the girl was cute and so her technique stimulating.

I liked ChangAn, but didn't like the layout...we had to get in a car to go just about anywhere.

[Wadman]

Wadman and I got a couple Cantonese speaking gals (Now why the hell would Wadman do that - his Cantonese is terrible!! But he fell in love with her nonetheless, and shjit - now I gotta teach him how to speak the lingo)


I didn't know she speaks Cantonese, I picked her based on looks. And you don't have to teach me Cantonese. I am sober now, no longer in love with her. She was fun though. Got into the room around midnight, let her go at 5:15 AM. We didn't sleep much!



, A gets his usual virginal looking love of his life


His handle is TickTock!!!



Really!! True!! Scout's honour - Oh what the hell, so I lie a bit - she only came when I gave her, her 500!!


Can we safely conclude you were never a scout then?

[Wadman]

I have been in Changping before and had many ST but I only had freebe for LT. What I want to check before I arrive next week in Changping is : if I take a girl ST and pay the 150 or 200rmb then after the deed decide to keep her LT do I pay the balance of the 400/500rmb or pay the full LT rate?? I don't want to overpay!!!!!


If after the ST, you like her and want to keep her LT, don't pay her the remaining 100 rmb right away. Tell her you want to keep her LT. Pay remaining amount when LT ends.

[SE Asia Joe]

I didn't know she speaks Cantonese, I picked her based on looks. And you don't have to teach me Cantonese. I am sober now, no longer in love with her. She was fun though. Got into the room around midnight, let her go at 5:15 AM. We didn't sleep much!
AHHH... Now I've figured it out why you were in love. She must've let you do her anal. Right?? Jeez...!


His handle is TickTock!!! Oh good - now you've managed to put 2 and 2 together right here!!! Good!!

Can we safely conclude you were never a scout then?
Yup - but I learned some of dem scout rope knots....to hog-tie dem Girl Guides!!

SEAJ

[SE Asia Joe]

I was in Chang An for two nights in August, hanging out with the Singapore crowd. I found CP to be generally good fun. While there I went to two KTVs: JiAn and DMFL. Both were fun, but I enjoyed JiAn more (probably just the draw of cards...I mean the girls). We also went to a "dirty footy" which also has sauna. I am wondering if this was the DMFL sauna? Is the DMFL sauna actually in the same building as the DMFL KTV? Or is it down the road. The place I went to was in a distinctly different building...but I think in the same general neighborhood. I didn't do a suana, only a foot massage, which was excellent - the girl was cute and so her technique stimulating.

I liked ChangAn, but didn't like the layout...we had to get in a car to go just about anywhere.
Yup - should be the same. There's a great big MGM sign for the complex, but yes the 2 buildings are separate
SEAJ

[SE Asia Joe]

oh wow - i got on!!

i'm here sitting at the swan lake - in a computer equipped room as they've run out of the regular room - and by miracle, i managed to get on via a proxy.
seaj
yup - still at the swan lake in the cptr equipped room. actually, the extra rmb30 is worth it - if only for the huge shower instead of the usual triangle at most cp hotels. its about 3x5' rectangular and good as the bathroom does not get flooded: my - and i know lots of others - pet peeve!!
seaj

[Santa]

ahhh... now i've figured it out why you were in love. she must've let you do her anal. right?? jeez...!


seaj

wadman's real name is mr poopy dick. :d

[Wadman]

wadman's real name is mr poopy dick. :d

joe is just jealeous that my cantonese-speaking chick was more fun than his cantonese-speaking chick.

[SE Asia Joe]

Joe is just jealeous that my Cantonese-speaking chick was more fun than his Cantonese-speaking chick.
I BEG YOUR PARDON!!! Yours may be a chick - mine is a lady!!

Besides which, I just got done with another gal who's the "real deal" - a good looking gal who's really new to the game. I mean this gal at first wouldn't even let me kiss her nipples until I "worked" her - when she went basically nutso on me!! And then when I asked her if she wanted me to call Tic Toc to do him - as he's ALWAYS on the lookout for near virgins - she actually said "No, I don't want to cheat my mommie!!"

Knowing that this gal would be perfect for Tic Toc, I then phoned him and asked him to continue talking w/me on the fone and at the same time get up to my room. Well, when he got here, we both had a go at her - and finally she agreed!! And Tic Toc should be doing her right now as I am writing this!!

So there - all my gals are ladies whilst yours are all chicks

SEAJ

[Wapec]

What gives dude ? You bright eyed and bushy tailed !!! Man you went out like a falling flame just like clockwork after 1am only two weeks ago. Guess you found your second wind. Damn good too. I was worrying about you and the lack of endurance.

Maybe sucking those lactating nipples changed your sleeping habits. Baby man or Baby boy :cool:

Keep on fucking ......

\Wapec


I...... want to sleep but hell.,I just am all bright and bushy tailed. And I ain't even jet lagged or anything - and thus am back on here....whether you guys like it or not... and even if I write my usual BS!!
SEAJ

[Wapec]

SEAJ

Don't feel bad or flagelate yourslf. This is your signature behaviour and its something to be respected. You wouldn't be you otherwise.

OAH

Just staple two 100 RmB notes to his forehead. He'll forget the next time a long legged Canto pop star look alike crosses his path anyways.

\Wapec


Using this cptr at the Swan Lake is really dodgy!! I write something.... and it appears for a while... and then disappear... and after a few hours it comes back on!
Anyway, I just got done with KTV at the Swan Lake and I am truly truly ashamed!! It was only the 2 of us - Alex and I - and the bill came to 788 plus 100 for the DJ! DAMN!! The mistake was that we ordered too many small dishes - and didn't wait for the Mommie to comp us these snacks as we wanted to have an early night, plus perhaps we probably.... no I probably had too many gals with me. I chose 2, then my regular showed up and then I took pity on her friend who hadn't had any business the whole day; so I ended up with 4 gals sitting with me. WTF was I thinking?? WTF was I gonna do w/4 gals??!! IDIOT!

But the evening ended quite nicely as the gal I took back was a real good performer. Tall - at least 5'6" beautiful long legs and Tits...Wow Tits!! So I guess it was not a wasted evening after all. I just need to again apologize to Alex and make sure that I pick up lots of bills the rest of the week-end!

SEAJ
Ps. Oh I guess I better say something back to you OAH. Are you sure its not my charm and debonair?? You sure now?? OK!

[Wapec]

SEAJ & Wadman

Any sign of my monger cap ? Lost it last time at DFML. Its my tribute to OAH to wear a baseball cap while mongering so has sentimental value.

Yeah! I got a screw loose but wtf ..... :eek:

So is the DFML boycott over now ?

\Wapec


Jeeeezzzz.... had weird things happen to us all day yesterday.

The day started off well enough with a great.... and cheap... Peking duck lunch in SZ and reservations for massage rooms at Dung Fong Mei Lee in CA at RMB50 (vs. usual 138) - special price for us "good clients"!!

Then it started! My recommendations to Wadman to take my gal who had been soooo professional last time and had blown me as soon as I came into the room - sans even cleaning up my little pecker - was a dud and Wadman complained that she had even tried to only give him a CBJ!! Then Alex took a gal who he thought was 400 (she wasn't anythin' special) but who turned out to be a 500 one. Damn.... us experienced mongers do NOT make these kinds of newbie mistakes.

Then we had problems trying to find Star of Star and ended up driving all around CA but luckily got there by 7:00 - expecting a great night. Then it started to go downhill. Alex's beautiful - and I mean REALLY beautiful gal - started giving him a hassle as soon as she sat down and ended up refusing to even sit next to him!! WHAT???? Never heard of this and we of course promptly called Mommie who set matters straight - but of course by then the atmosphere had already deteriorated. I mean, it was so bad.... that King of KTV Moody FELL ASLEEP! And even the DJ - hell, like I said it was so bad that without us asking for it, we had 3 - THREE!! Dj's in succession coming and leaving our room that at the end of evening, we could not even locate a DJ to give the DJ fee to!! Then the naked dance - which lasted a whole.... ONE song!

OK OK, it cannot be a total unmitigated disaster - right? There is, after all, the POP! Wellll.... Wadman's gal refused to blow him (what happened to him - did the Blow Job fairy abandon him??) and he threw her out! Mine??? Mine...??? She only made feeble attempts at it.... and then started crying and telling me that her boyfriend was MURDERED in Shanghai a couple months ago, and how she's forced to do this, how she misses him, how she wants to kill herself too..... OHMIGAWD!! All I want was a good time - and she's talkin' about killing herself OMIGAWD!!

OK OK, we gave up and asked for the bill.... and it came with charges for 2 short term rooms (Wadman's and Mine) and a long term one for Alex .... whilst we had ALWAYS got comped for at least 1 free ST room previously. I was pissed...really pissed... and called for Mommie...who came in totally wasted! Here she was, a senior Momma at Star of Star, drunk as a skunk and hardly able to stand up. On a Wednesday night?? And it was disgusting having to talk to her just to get that one lousy room comped!!

Leaving... at last leaving.... and Moody piled into a taxi to go home - and the Guard there promptly kicked the door of the taxi for daring to steal a customer from the Pirates all neatly parked outside. Jeez... how dare that S.O.B. do THAT to our KTV king??!!

What a night!! What a night!!!

SEAJ

Ps. Posted pictures in the foto gallery.
I think I can atribute all the above to the fact that these gals were ALL new arrivals to the game. The downside to "New Stock." Not a good idea to have so many amateurs I say!!

[Wapec]

Wadman

Try this tack with the whipper snapper:-

WE NEED SPECIFICS MAN ? DETAILS ? OR ELSE !!!!

SEAJ

You're a legend and good fun to boot! Tee hee hee .....

\Wapec


You are going to show her how it's done properly of course. Show her how much better you are than us young punks who know nothing about women.



Well, weekends are better than usual, but that's all. Weekends in CP are crappier than weekdays in CP, which in turn are not as good as CA any day of the week.

[Newhands]

Hi to all Pros,

I am planing a visit to Chang Ping on November with 1 of my friend to explore the place. Going to be our first trip there and trying to consolidate as much info from all sources. Have been reading this forum for several days and still have some doubts which hope i can obtain helps from anyone here.

1) Have been reading that KTV dont serve loner, so is 2 persons a problem or will they entertain us?

2) If we decided to have ST with the gals in KTV, am i right that additional fee for the ST room is inevitable?

3) Is the suana gals available for LT? what is the mkt rate?

I am long winded but appreciate replies from all bros. Need your advise badly.

Thanks.

[Wapec]

Bad Boy Billy

Don't listen to SEAJ. He's just on a downer 'cause I wanted to do them both at the same time and he wanted to go to "beddy byes". I offered to send them back later when I was finished.

To be fair, don't expect a full on lesbi session or anything porno style in China. The gals I did were good for a Chinese double act and they were indeed real sisters not cousins. I gave them English names - Josephine & Samantha. SEAJ did Samantha. Drop me a PM if you want more details. i have their Chinese names too.


Keen to hear about the Mongolian gals. I didn't know they were sisters.

SEAJ

What would you have me do ? I just did what you would have done at my age. I just putted three times one after the other. Anyway, you were more than happy looking orward to Lady V. No ?

If not then you should have come down for a wander to the night market with me at 4am! It was bucketing rain down and I felt like a wet rat. Correction ..... a wet horny rat with a permanent erection. Poor gals were soaked through. I went home empty handed.

By the way, you sounded like death warmed up after World War III when you rang me the next day. Even worse condition than I was in. Were you OK ?

Good session that night er morning. I sent them home about 3:45am. Happy, baptised, popped and left saying "I love you". What more could a monger want than sisters that love him ? It took 4 days of baby oil massaging my dick (no I wasn't trying for a woodie that was more painful) for the swelling to die down after that day - four gals and five pops in less than 24 hours. Painful but rewarding.

I am quite keen to try sisters (preferably identical), their Mother and their Aunt all at the same time ? The older gals have to in decent condition - not tip top but decent enough to be done :eek: What do you reckon ? I once did a Mother and Daughter combo and its is without doubt my all time highlight. Even more than my first A-levels. :cool:

\Wapec


Wapec and I did 2 sisters from our favorite Mommie at the Fuhao - and then the greedy bastard took them both same time.

Baby's has 2 sets of sisters - one set just arrived from Szejiang (Mongolians) and they're pretty good looking -especially the younger one. Didn't have time to try 'em but will when I get back up later this week.

If its any use to you (not really, I think - but just that we ALL do get lucky once a while!) I used to keep one of a set of identical twins. I did the older one first and then ended up liking the younger one and keeping her for......too long a time!!
SEAJ

[Wapec]

Slash, burn, and flame - slash, burn and flame .... Does that ring any bells ?

Back to my baseball cap. Any sign of it when you went back to DFML ?


Jeeezzzzus Wapec - you wanna boycott everybody dontcha? The KTV, the Sauna, Jojo's.
Good Grief!
SEAJ

[Wapec]

What shots do I need to get before giving it a whack ?


Wapec:

I am glad to hear that you are thoroughly enjoying your Golden Week in CP. It is unfortunate that I could not get away to join you guys.

That said, I was wondering if you have earned your wings in the catacombs. Please remember that you have been admitted on a temporary basis subject to validation.

OAH

[Wapec]

Brace yourself, I got news for you, chick/gal/lady they all spread the same and that my friend is the name of the game ;)

Obi Wan SEAJ & Master Jedi Wadman - consider yourselves both learned!

\Wapec of the Dark Side


I BEG YOUR PARDON!!! Yours may be a chick - mine is a lady!! SEAJ

[SE Asia Joe]

OK BBB - WTf are you?? Here Oah askes me to set things up for you and you ain't here yet!! Anyway, when - and if - you ever get here, get OAH to bring you to Baby's shop and look for Xue'Er/Michelle. I've briefed her on you and whilst she has told me that she cannot discount the actual RMB100 gal Fee, for the "house Fee' which is usually RMB 100@, she will discount it to 180 for 2 gals, 260 for 3 gals, 340 for 4 and..... only 400 for 5 gals (buy 4 get one free!!).

On the other hand, when you actually show up, I'm quite sure that you can still get better discounts - especially the now undiscounted gal fee. OAH just gotta tell the gals that all they need to do is one single Bad Boy between them all - how much can a boy stand???!! After all, you're gonna be in CP during a Weekday and they're all gonna just be hanging around if they don't do you. And OAH - you gotta bring BBB to Swan Lake which to me - and most others - has the Best and largest selection in CP these days.

Anyway, please advise us what happened.

Ciao and do enjoy
SEAJ
SEAJ

[SE Asia Joe]

What shots do I need to get before giving it a whack ?

Brace yourself, I got news for you, chick/gal/lady they all spread the same and that my friend is the name of the game ;)
Obi Wan SEAJ & Master Jedi Wadman - consider yourselves both learned!
\Wapec of the Dark Side

For KERISSSAKES....WTF are you bleating about now Mr. professional writer. yeah Yeah Yeah, we know that you're back in Prison and cain't go and monger with us for now. SERVES YOU RIGHT!!

So you just go back to whacking yourself for now - whilst Wadman and I go Na, Na, Na Na.... Na!! to you. And don't you worry, we'll keep on sending you texts to tempt you to try to break out of prison!! Yuck Yuck Yyuck!!

Sweat... Sweat young Man!!!

SEAJ

[SE Asia Joe]

It took 4 days of baby oil massaging my dick (no I wasn't trying for a woodie that was more painful) for the swelling to die down after that day - four gals and five pops in less than 24 hours. Painful but rewarding.



QUESTION for any doctors here:

My doctor prescribed me Actovegin Gel and/or 5% Ointment a couple or so years ago after I had one of those Multi pops/day for a few days - which had inevitably resulted in generalized swelling of my uncircumcised head.

The description accompanying this medicine describes it as some kind of Bovine (cow)/Calf blood derivative derivative. I've tried to do a bit of research on it, but have not been able to find too much except that it's somehow involved in the doping scandal of the U.S. postal service cycling team.

Anyway, since then, I've always packed one of these gel or ointment to apply after each session - and have had relative success in that my pecker does not swell, even after multiple pops.

The question is - is there any harm in my practice?? Is there any bad things that could happen with prolonged usage?? What is this Actovegin exactly and how does it protect/strengthen my skin??

Mucho thanks before hand for your replies.

SEAJ

[SE Asia Joe]

Hi to all Pros,

I am planing a visit to Chang Ping on November with 1 of my friend to explore the place. Going to be our first trip there and trying to consolidate as much info from all sources. Have been reading this forum for several days and still have some doubts which hope i can obtain helps from anyone here.

1) Have been reading that KTV dont serve loner, so is 2 persons a problem or will they entertain us?

2) If we decided to have ST with the gals in KTV, am i right that additional fee for the ST room is inevitable?

3) Is the suana gals available for LT? what is the mkt rate?

I am long winded but appreciate replies from all bros. Need your advise badly.

Thanks.

OK fair enuff - I ain't gonna ask you to RTFF as you apparently have done so. (HAVE YOU???)

1. KTV's serves EVERYBODY - and you can either get a small room all by yourself and get 1, 2, 3 or even more gals and you can party all you want - just so long as you pay the minimum charge OR else you can sit outside in the large/or show room and just have 1 gal with you (even though there is also gonna be a minimum charge or ？？to make sure you don't just spend a few dollars. (Search Jia Yi on this thread for a recent discussion on how they handle singletons outside).

2. Of course a ST room is extra - but I presume you would already have a hotel room when you stay in CP - why would you need a ST room? It's possible to be "comped" an ST room if you ask for it - but they would only do so, if you've already shown to be a pretty good spender at the KTV.

3. Again why would you want to LT a sauna gal??!! They'll do all their tricks within the 1-1/2 - 2 hours and would presumably have you well and truly satisfied (i.e. 2 or multiple pops - ask beforehand). Time is money = especially for a Sauna gal and I would hate to think what it would actually cost. Fact is, I betcha even the Sauna managers would be hard pressed to actually give you a price as I seriously doubt it that they had ever had anybody ask for such a thing. OK, OK, it may happen and if you're really gonna be smitten by a Sauna gal, you then should ask for their phone number and chat with her, ask her out for dinner or footsie or whatever and make your deal with her directly.

Long winded enough reply for you??
SEAJ

[Freepeaks]

1. You can certainly do KTV with one or two people. One can be boring unless you can get a manager to hang with you and have fun girls. I have done this about 4 times and only really had great fun twice. With 2 guys it can be plenty party with 4 girls.

If you want to sit in main room - which btw sucks, I would prefer to pay for a room than sit in main room as it is boring and you can't even have a conversation due to the noise, and horseplay is out of the question.
if you just want to take a look around, most places will allow you either early in night or on a slow night. Fri/Sat you need a reservation for a room. Sunday is the slowest KTV day, some girls don't even show up (maybe 50% - this means 100 instead of 200).

[Freepeaks]

SEAJ - I propose a swap next time I'm in town.

Like when you play dice and you switch the cups? We can rotate them arount the room every hour then...

You choose first, room wide including the ones you picked (or excluding), and so on. We can all draw from a larger pool and by now at least a few of us know how to pick them. Seniority based on posts.. which puts you and Wadman as the elite.

HuiMei may have also fixed their rooms as I've heard of a few foreigners staying there any news on the hotel rooms - are they nice now?

[SE Asia Joe]

SEAJ - I propose a swap next time I'm in town.

Like when you play dice and you switch the cups? We can rotate them arount the room every hour then...


Hey - actually..... that IS a good idea!! But we really gotta tell the mommie/gals beforehand that this gonna be their fate for the evening. Wonder how they'll react to this.

We have to convince them that instead of just getting ONE fee for the night (whether Sitting/ST/LT) they will also have probable follow up clients from those who would want to also do the gal who "slipped right out from under him!"

OK - who's gonna be in charge of convincing the Mommie/Gals that this is a good idea FOR THEM??!! I mean, the gal is probably not only going to get one set of hands pawing her - she'll end up with ALL The guys in the room pawing each and every one of them (Hmmmm... come to think of, I already do that anyway - paw ALL the gals in the room!!)

SEAJ

[SE Asia Joe]

OK - here's the official result from my fact finding weekend to answer the question if KTV's or BBS or Saunas are better.

The answer is.....THEY'RE ALL GOOD!!

Sauna - definitely great all around full and thorough service that will never leave you wanting for anything else - at least for the next few hours or so!! OK OK I didn'tget a chance to sauna this time around - but hey - what's there to ponder about saunas?!!

BBS - great selection in CP and you really end up with precisely what your heart desires. GFE?? Yes of course and these gals are so starved of real human emotions that if you just show them a modicum of respect and consideration - and become their friend - they will reward you back hundred fold with their care and attention. I was with a Pui and she actually helped me chose girls for the night - and then turn around and show up in my bed the next morning to further "reward" me... and then accompany me all over the place,run errands for me - even helping me at the bank to send money to.... another gal!! what a trooper - and always with an impish smile and happy laughter.

KTV Gals - again - they ARE also very human - and apart from spending a bit more time and money with them, I equally appreciate their loving, cuddling and how human they are. Besides the Swan lake and Hui Mei KTV gals (who I'll probably also develop a bit further, later), my first pop upon my arrival at CP was with my old KTV friend - and the last pop was with her again....and then she actually spent the time chit chatting with me until 5:30 in the morning.... just being warm and human.

Ahhhh yes.... I love being in love with each and every one of them. They're ALL good!!

SEAJ

Edit: just had a re-read of this post - JEEEZ!! What a totaly useless post!! WTF was I talkin' about?? Nonsense, pure nonsense!!

[Wapec]

SEAJ

What about my cap ? Damn the most important question and you miss it completely !!! Focus on the key points dude.

Text me will you ? Fuck fuck fuck I can't stand being locked up in prision. Need to get a web cam feed of those Mongolian sisters ......

\Wapec


For KERISSSAKES....WTF are you bleating about now Mr. professional writer. yeah Yeah Yeah, we know that you're back in Prison and cain't go and monger with us for now. SERVES YOU RIGHT!!

So you just go back to whacking yourself for now - whilst Wadman and I go Na, Na, Na Na.... Na!! to you. And don't you worry, we'll keep on sending you texts to tempt you to try to break out of prison!! Yuck Yuck Yyuck!!

Sweat... Sweat young Man!!!
SEAJ

[Dar425]

question for any doctors here:

my doctor prescribed me actovegin gel and/or 5% ointment a couple or so years ago after i had one of those multi pops/day for a few days - which had inevitably resulted in generalized swelling of my uncircumcised head.

the description accompanying this medicine describes it as some kind of bovine (cow)/calf blood derivative derivative. i've tried to do a bit of research on it, but have not been able to find too much except that it's somehow involved in the doping scandal of the u.s. postal service cycling team.

anyway, since then, i've always packed one of these gel or ointment to apply after each session - and have had relative success in that my pecker does not swell, even after multiple pops.

the question is - is there any harm in my practice?? is there any bad things that could happen with prolonged usage?? what is this actovegin exactly and how does it protect/strengthen my skin??

mucho thanks before hand for your replies.

seaj


it basically promotes for increased oxygen flow to the skin cells (in your case, on your dick!) which helps your skin to repair/regrow (keep healthy). it does this by increasing the metabolism of the cells (on your dick where you rubbed the medicine), which in turn brings more oxygen/regeneration of the cells/tissue (on your dick).

it is usually used to help heal skin after after being scalded or for sugery/skin graftings to help the grafts bond/heal faster. skin burns and erosion (skin friction, think "road rash") can also be helped by using actovegin.

if you were to find girls with bigger yingholes or shrink your dick, then you would not get as much friction/abrasion happening. though sometimes just getting a lot of hj and teeth scraping your yangpole can also cause abrasive action.

i might have to try it out for myself (interesting application of the medicine!).


as a last advice, like any medicine, use the least that you need. you can experiment and try using it every-other-session and see if it still helps. then try every-3-sessions and see if it still helps enough.


dar
ps - i'm not a dr, but play an armchair one on the internet.
pps - it comes from special australian cows -- because australian cows have never had 'mad cow' disease and that's an important part of why they can make the medicine . i'm not joking. victoria's bitter cow medicine?!

[SE Asia Joe]

SEAJ

What about my cap ? Damn the most important question and you miss it completely !!! Focus on the key points dude.

Text me will you ? Fuck fuck fuck I can't stand being locked up in prision. Need to get a web cam feed of those Mongolian sisters ......

\Wapec
YOUR CAP?? YOUR CAP???!! Your lousy cap??!! You gotta be kidding - right?? What, you think Wadman, Tic Toc and I are gonna actually take time from chosing just the correct companion.... at a SAUNA nonethess... to look for your CAP?? You gotta be kidding!! Look-it, use all the time you got whilst you're at prison right now to go around and buy yourself a dozen caps - they're all on sale these days - and that way you can leave caps all over the place. Sort of like leaving bread crumbs or whatever - and that way you can always go back to wherever was good.

AND...... whilst you're worrying about your lousy cap, people are getting killed.....; in CP nonetheless....and in the middle of a busy street...on a Friday night. SCMP today:
/////
Two HK men stabbed to death across border

Martin Wong
Oct 14, 2008

Mainland police are investigating after two Hong Kong men were stabbed to death in separate incidents.
In the most recent case a middle-aged man was stabbed in the neck outside a grocery store in Dongguan. He was walking past the store in Changping district when he was attacked by a young man at about 10.30pm on Friday, the Nanfang Daily said. Witnesses said the assailant approached the victim from behind, attacked him and then fled.

A nearby resident who gave his name as Zhang said he heard the victim shout: "Help, help, please call police. Someone is trying to kill me!"

Another man, who gave his name as Wu, said he saw the assailant stab the victim in the throat with a knife before he collapsed. The identity of the victim, who was wearing a T-shirt and jeans when he was attacked, was not known last night.

Residents claimed public order in the area had been poor in recent months, saying many fights had broken out and businesses were being blackmailed.

A shop selling cigarettes and liquor was burned down last month because the owner refused to pay extortion money, they said.

Mainland police refused to comment on the case, saying an investigation was continuing.

Police in Shunde are investigating the other murder. The 73-year-old victim, whose identity was also not known last night, was found dead at his home in the Country Garden residential estate last Thursday. His domestic helper found him dead in his bedroom with multiple stab wounds.

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SEAJ

PS. ISG purpose - exchange of info on paid sex. GET RID OF YOUR CAP (CRAP) POSTS !

[SE Asia Joe]

it basically promotes for increased oxygen flow to the skin cells (in your case, on your dick!) which helps your skin to repair/regrow (keep healthy). it does this by increasing the metabolism of the cells (on your dick where you rubbed the medicine), which in turn brings more oxygen/regeneration of the cells/tissue (on your dick).

it is usually used to help heal skin after after being scalded or for sugery/skin graftings to help the grafts bond/heal faster. skin burns and erosion (skin friction, think "road rash") can also be helped by using actovegin.

if you were to find girls with bigger yingholes or shrink your dick, then you would not get as much friction/abrasion happening. though sometimes just getting a lot of hj and teeth scraping your yangpole can also cause abrasive action.

i might have to try it out for myself (interesting application of the medicine!).


as a last advice, like any medicine, use the least that you need. you can experiment and try using it every-other-session and see if it still helps. then try every-3-sessions and see if it still helps enough.


dar
ps - i'm not a dr, but play an armchair one on the internet.
pps - it comes from special australian cows -- because australian cows have never had 'mad cow' disease and that's an important part of why they can make the medicine . i'm not joking. victoria's bitter cow medicine?!
thanks a lot for the great info. actually i do not use it between sessions during the day and only apply it after what i think is gonna be my last shot of the day/night before i go to sleep.

the gel is better in that it washes off easier i/o the ointment which is a bit harder to wash off/i've had gals look at my pecker suspiciously (first disadvantage) as they try to rub it off... and then rub it even harder (2nd disadvantage - don't these gals realize that us uncircumcised guys do have sensitive heads??!!).

i would also combine using actovegin with some topical anti-biotic cream on occassions when i know that my pecker has been actually scratched up or subject to really rough oral ministrations.

anybody else got any other info on the above or any other methods they use to "preserve" their manhood??

seaj

[OldAsiaHand]

YOUR CAP?? YOUR CAP???!! Your lousy cap??!! You gotta be kidding - right?? What, you think Wadman, Tic Toc and I are gonna actually take time from chosing just the correct companion.... at a SAUNA nonethess... to look for your CAP?? You gotta be kidding!! Look-it, use all the time you got whilst you're at prison right now to go around and buy yourself a dozen caps - they're all on sale these days - and that way you can leave caps all over the place. Sort of like leaving bread crumbs or whatever - and that way you can always go back to wherever was good.


PS. ISG purpose - exchange of info on paid sex. GET RID OF YOUR CAP (CRAP) POSTS !

SEAJ,

Give the guy a break. He wore the cap in my honor. I fully understand what a cap means to a monger. I would never monger without one.

Just my POV.

OAH

[OldAsiaHand]

He was teething at the bit the moment he got off the plane in Shenzhen, pushing the driver to drive faster. Logos and I calmed him down a bit with Dim Sum at the Miraton and advised him that 3:00PM was the earliest to go to Yalan.

Michelle asked me with a shit eating grin on her face, if this was the guy SEAJ told her about but the sisters never turned up.

The look on his face when we walked into Jia Yi at 6:30PM was priceless.

He only did 4 girls his first day. We were expecting double digits. I will let him fill you in on the details with pictures to support his conquests.

I left him well briefed for the rest of the week.

OAH

[Logos]

A brief report of today's activities.

At 8h38 train back to CP from Guangzhou where I had met a regular girl (non P4P), a solid 9 with fluent English and spent the night with her despite all odds. She had agreed to stay with me following a very enjoyable afternoon and seafood dinner. As she lives with her parents I had to provide a hotel room downtown GZ. High cost, high reward strategy. All things considered "freebies' like that are 3 times more expensive than the priciest P4P but well worth the money.

Arrival in CP around 9h10. Avoiding touts and scammers at the train station exit and headed towards the end of the line of taxis to find one who'd use the meter. No point in paying 20-30 rmb if the regular fare is about 10. Back in the Miraton I wanted to crash as the previous night had been very short but then got a call from OAH who was coming, no, who was descending into town. Lunch with him and BBB who had just arrived.

After lunch (the dim sum at the hotel are a must, that place is on the 2nd floor and is always packed with locals) we gathered at 2 pm to visit a few houses led by OAH who knows the scene inside out. The tour usually starts at the swan lake, a hotel that fronts for a couple back rooms with about 20 girls in each -depending on when you get there. As usual the mommies go out of their way to exhibit the "pink colour" of some girls'titties, taking them out as if displaying pieces of fresh prime meat, which in a sense they were. They would also try to throw at you the fattest, ugliest girls to those foolish westerners but hold back and point at the 2 or 3 you'll inevitably like in the selection.

As the tour includes 6 or 7 different places a good strategy not to be overwhelmed is to collect the mommies name cards. I then number them in the order of the houses we visit and jot down the name of the girl(s) who rank the highest in my personal selection. When the tour's finished you can then either call for delivery or go back to the place with the name of the best looking girls. The strategy also carries some risks as from 2h30 onwards the houses are visited by gangs of HK guys (could be taiwan or other, we didn't really chew the fat with those guys) intent on exacly the same stuff as you, namely pick up the best looking babes before the next guy. When we were leaving a house (through a narrow passage behing a metal door or some similar locked gate) we saw a group of maybe 15 of those guys come in at the same time, so it became clear that the girls' ranks would soon be depleted.

Altogether on the tour you'd see around 220-250 girls. I picked a good one in the last but one house. After the last house we headed back towards the first ones in the alley opposite the swanlake. BBB took 2 girls, I added one to my previous choice and OAH took one as well. Back to the hotel in a cramped minivan (15 rmb for 3 guys and 5 girls) to do the deed. Reckon with 90' for the tour and time for transport back and forth , we got back to the hotel around 4 pm. After I was finished with the girls I paid them their dues (200 in total for each, 100 to the mommy upon selection and 100 when it's over). I gave 20 more to the one with the best BJ and overall skills as an incentive to the other to work harder next time.

Timing was tight as we didn't want to miss the big line up at Jaiyi. So at 6 pm back downstairs. Papadoc (a nice guy from another forum) joined us and the 4 of us took a mini van again, 20 rmb for the 10' ride. We arrived there shortly before 6h30, just in time for the legendary line up with about 250-280 half naked young slim girls fitting all tastes who vouch for your attention while you navigate the huge room, not counting the ushers and greeters who're quite a view themselves in their cute uniforms.

BBB doesn't quite realize where he's at and grabs everything that's coming. Soon he has to release a few as unfortunately he's only got 2 arms and 2 eyes to take it all in.

Papadoc follows, gets thrown girls upon girls at him as the mommies probably think he's a bit harmless. Apparences can be deceptive as many a girl has learnt to her delighted astonishment, as behind that colonel Saunders'apparent bonhomie lurks a sex junkie as bad as the worst of us. Another one in serious need of a rehab I guess.

In the end we exited the place, OAH and Papadoc took a pass on this one but BBB and yours truly wouldn't dream of leaving that place empty handed and we thus brought another cutie. Mine was a delightful and playful 18 yo cutie with the loveliest innocent smile and pearly teeth I'd seen in a long time. Father christmas had come early this year again.

On the way back after a near miss at happy together rescued by OAH in the last second (don't ask) we had an excellent steak dinner at Mito's near the hotel to try and get our juices flowing again before launching the next missiles. The 2 girls were helpful and smiling and good company despite the language issue, and it screamed "top attitude" before you'd even laid a finger on them.

Mine was as good as I hoped and far less innocent than I'd feared and gave a tremendous performance worth the relatively high cost (42 min charge for drinks even if you don't have anything as we did, 100 cover charge if you take a girl out without booking a KTV room (so yes it can be done easily and you don't have to throw a drunken party with silly chinese pop to enjoy the KTV girls) +500 to the girl.

At 11 pm OAH called me as he and the other guys wanted to visit again the night market, where I'd gone with Papadoc last friday. I was tempted but just too exhausted and seriously drained. Plus it was time to write a report about a normal day here in Chang Ping.

[Wadman]

Arrival in CP around 9h10. Avoiding touts and scammers at the train station exit and headed towards the end of the line of taxis to find one who'd use the meter. No point in paying 20-30 rmb if the regular fare is about 10.


Kudos to you, sir. Don't give in to the scamming cabbies!




Timing was tight as we didn't want to miss the big line up at Jaiyi. So at 6 pm back downstairs. Papadoc (a nice guy from another forum) joined us and the 4 of us took a mini van again, 20 rmb for the 10' ride.


Uuuh... Miraton to JiaYi should be only 10 rmb, but I realize that most cabbies won't give in to a group of laowais. But why not wait for a metered taxi?



Mine was as good as I hoped and far less innocent than I'd feared and gave a tremendous performance worth the relatively high cost (42 min charge for drinks even if you don't have anything as we did, 100 cover charge if you take a girl out without booking a KTV room (so yes it can be done easily and you don't have to throw a drunken party with silly chinese pop to enjoy the KTV girls) +500 to the girl.


100 cover charge for taking out a girl at JiaYi, on top of the 42 rmb for a ladydrink? This must be new... If you call the mommy ahead of time, and tell her you don't want a room, only want to see (and take out) girls, you will only be charged the 42 rmb minimum. And then it's 500 ST, 800 LT.

[SE Asia Joe]

100 cover charge for taking out a girl at JiaYi, on top of the 42 rmb for a ladydrink? This must be new... If you call the mommy ahead of time, and tell her you don't want a room, only want to see (and take out) girls, you will only be charged the 42 rmb minimum. And then it's 500 ST, 800 LT.
STRANGE.... I've got another report I just posted here - from my computer in Hong Kong nonetheless - disappear on me?? Wonder if I'm being monitored and delayed like a new regular member or if I'm posting too much or if my last post contained an offensive word or ....???

Anyway, I was commenting to Logos/BBB - that the above seems like a typical China newbie mistake - to do a take out of a KTV gal - WITHOUT going for the full KTV experience. After all, this "experience" acounts for most of the higher cost of a KTV gal (500/800 at the Jia Yi Vs. 200/500 at the BBS).

Anyway.... lets see if this disappears also.
SEAJ

[OldAsiaHand]

SEAJ:

Let me clarify. There were no rooms available when we arrived. All were booked. We did not reserve in advance.

I did not understand the 100 RMB fee. We were told that if the girl is back to the KTV after 8:30PM it was 50 RMB, after 10:00PM it was 100 RMB. We may have been scammed. They obviously did not want the girls to be taken out so early, but the girls were game since they could pick up ST and go back to find another punter. I never pull KTV girls from a line-up without staying, so I was in the dark.

OAH



STRANGE.... I've got another report I just posted here - from my computer in Hong Kong nonetheless - disappear on me?? Wonder if I'm being monitored and delayed like a new regular member or if I'm posting too much or if my last post contained an offensive word or ....???

Anyway, I was commenting to Logos/BBB - that the above seems like a typical China newbie mistake - to do a take out of a KTV gal - WITHOUT going for the full KTV experience. After all, this "experience" acounts for most of the higher cost of a KTV gal (500/800 at the Jia Yi Vs. 200/500 at the BBS).

Anyway.... lets see if this disappears also.
SEAJ

[Freepeaks]

Taxis can be pretty hard to find for laowei during 'peak' go to KTV hours especially on Friday/Sat. Yeah 10 is the SEAJ rate, but unless you can find a metered cab, it is tough. I always at least get the vans to 15 with a little antics on that tai gui le - gei wo pian yi. Never can get them to 10.

Yes there is a 'penalty' for them to leave early. I always thought it was 50 + drink which is roughly 100 (93). Sitting in the main area at Jia Yi isn't that fun as it is loud and conversation is limited. As always callling a mommie to let her know she has a customer will work a deal, but since 95% of them don't speak good English, negotiating this with limited Chinese is difficult. Call it a language penalty.

They probably like the ST without drinking as it is a change and not having to drink themselves into oblivion and getting their fee for the night is probably a nice change. Were the girls more business or GFE after getting the early pull (did they sprint for the door?)

Also a few of the BBS have a van that you can get for 10 yuan, sometimes they will offer if you need a ride. It was pouring rain once and I got a ride with out getting wet for 10.

What is the BBS stock like nowadays, still slow business?

[Wapec]

i've gotten vans down to 10 rmb but i'm usually left grumpy for a hour or two afterwards so like seaj tend to keep to metered taxi's and insist they use the meter. i'll even ring the compliants hotline in front of the taxi guy having written his number down. this strategy does depend on where you stay.

on tha gal & st and change of scene thing. yeah i agree. usually when i ktv for the gal i've decided i wanna screw latter i insist that she stops drinking and somebody else drinks for her. sometimes there is a peer pressure penalty but when i tell them i want to screw them later or else they usually get the message that they'll loose earnings.

just my two fen!
wapec


taxis can be pretty hard to find for laowei during 'peak' go to ktv hours especially on friday/sat. yeah 10 is the seaj rate, but unless you can find a metered cab, it is tough. i always at least get the vans to 15 with a little antics on that tai gui le - gei wo pian yi. never can get them to 10.

yes there is a 'penalty' for them to leave early. i always thought it was 50 + drink which is roughly 100 (93). sitting in the main area at jia yi isn't that fun as it is loud and conversation is limited. as always callling a mommie to let her know she has a customer will work a deal, but since 95% of them don't speak good english, negotiating this with limited chinese is difficult. call it a language penalty.

they probably like the st without drinking as it is a change and not having to drink themselves into oblivion and getting their fee for the night is probably a nice change. were the girls more business or gfe after getting the early pull (did they sprint for the door?)

also a few of the bbs have a van that you can get for 10 yuan, sometimes they will offer if you need a ride. it was pouring rain once and i got a ride with out getting wet for 10.

what is the bbs stock like nowadays, still slow business?

[Anonymous]

A big thank you to all those who helped me get here in one piece.

Specia thanks to OAH for his invaluable guidance first day.

I must admit it is an eye opener - being on your own and zero Chinese does make it harder but I am still managing 4 a day.

Not totally my thing as I believe w.h.o.r.e hunting and alchohol go hand in hand - so I really am a 'bar' type of person.

I will try to upload some pics but if I cannot it must wait til I get back to Oz.

[Bad Boy Billy]

I will try to upload some pics but if I cannot it must wait til I get back to Oz.Un-fucking-believable - it worked - been trying for 2 days to do that.

Had abut 50% strike rate with pics so far.

Struck out at night market last night - just culd not get a tall young stunner to come with me - she was STUNNING.

Now if you guys ask me REALLY nicely - Billy will how you something SPECIAL - but you gotta ask nicely.

[SE Asia Joe]

Now if you guys ask me REALLY nicely - Billy will how you something SPECIAL - but you gotta ask nicely.
OK BBB - I'll ask you very nicely - COULD YOU PLEASE make sure you do NOT tell the gals/Mommies in CP that you've gone ahead and posted pictures of the gals here.

Fact is - please ALL OF YOU HERE, please do not tell them that you've seen pictures of them here.

Most of us, including myself, have been finding it harder and harder to convince the gals to allow us to take pictures of them; having to convince them and promisiing them that they are NOT gonna appear on the Internet. If they ever find out about BBB's full frontal and full facial pictures, I can predict that it will be next to impossible to even allow us to take clothed pixs. These gals know what happend with Edison Chen and the starlets etc and even now, its already bad - so PLEASE, PLEASE!!! - do not even mention this at all to them OK??

Thanks

SEAJ.

Ps. Fact is, I'd appreciate it if you could replace your present pictures with ones where identifiable facial features are obscured somehow. I realize that I'm perhaps asking for a lot and that definitely there is NO ISG rules specifying such a thing - but CP IS so small and words does get around VERY fast, especially when its anything to do with foreigners. So for all our sake - Please?? Thanks

[Bad Boy Billy]

OK BBB - I'll ask you very nicely - COULD YOU PLEASE make sure you do NOT tell the gals/Mommies in CP that you've gone ahead and posted pictures of the gals here. SEAJ and others - my humblest apologies for posting the pics.

I never knew this issue was so sensitive - I have deleted the post - I think.

Once again I apologise.

[Wapec]

Echoing what SEAJ says. There was an incident in HKG earlier this year where a celeb's hard drive was copied by a repair shop. The drive contained explicit pics of naked gals and their antics. What has since happened is that due to all the publicity and newspaper write ups many of the CP and Southern China gals know that there is a risk of their naughty pics getting out.

Many of the gals are on the game for a short time with the intention of going home, moving on or whatever after they've gathered enough cash for something else. So thhey are hyper sensitive about any risk of discovery in their home towns or local circles where their other activities are completely unknown.

At the very least pls use a pic touch up program to disguise the faces / eyes so they are not recognisable. AND FOR GODS SAKE DO NOT EVER EVER EVER SHOW THEM THE ISG BOARD WITH ANYBODYS PICS ON THERE !!!

BBB

Know that you're just doing your thing and shoing off that you've had a great time plus are really happy ith your adventures. Pls don't take offense at our concerns. Its not personal or directed at you. We're just warning others of teh importance to act responsibily and remember that the gals are human beings too. If they get scared or believe there is risk to themselves they will stop allowing us take of tokens of rememberance (in my case visual worship) and that is overall a net loss for everybody.

Many thanks for reading & understanding. So ends the public broadcast!
Wapec

[SE Asia Joe]

SEAJ and others - my humblest apologies for posting the pics.

I never knew this issue was so sensitive - I have deleted the post - I think.

Once again I apologise.

Hey BBB -

Many thanks for understanding. I realize that there are a LOT of pics all over the internet of WG's from all over the palce - but the problem with DGG and in particular CP is that it is such a compact and small place and word does get around very fast. Also, CP is basically mongering ground zero for mongers as well as the gals (a lot of them are ex-factory gals - and just like yesterday, a 10,000 worker Toy factory went belly up in Zhanmoutou - just 10 minutes away). A lot of these gals start their "working Life" right here
in CP before graduating to other locales etc.

And now that you've experienced the CP gals, I believe that you will agree with my assessment that these gals are way less "battle hardened" compared to their counterparts in places like the PI, LOS etc. and would actually fool themselves into thinking that this job they are doing right now is just a small stepping stone towards building up their eventual "real life." and that as such, they certainly do not want to leave any trails or anything that may catch up with them in their later life.

Again thank you for your understanding; And for others reading this - echoing Wapec's post - please NEVER mention ISG, especially the pics here to the gals. Thanks

SEAJ

[Wadman]

Again thank you for your understanding; And for others reading this - echoing Wapec's post - please NEVER mention ISG, especially the pics here to the gals. Thanks


I think it may be too late already. Xue'er/Michelle, one of the mommies at Baby's shop, is aware of a website already. She knows that how we meet, not sure if she knows about the pics. Some dumb-ass monger probably told her, as she does not know how to navigate the web herself. And no, it was not me!!!

[Santa]

I like to see the pictures with the faces, but there have been problems. One senior member of this forum posted a girls picture and she was informed about it by some dickhead with a big mouth. That senior member now never posts pictures.

I remember reading in the Beijing thread that some of the girls at Maggie's had been regular readers of this forum. Again, some dickhead with a big mouth had told them about this forum.

[l_amateur]

We are still on a crackdown period in Chang'An.

Police raid almost every night on BBS.

And most massage places turned legit or closed for the moment.

[Kit Karson]

I am staying in CP for a few days and was wondering if anybody wants to team up for a KTV visit. It is not much fun alone and I would welcome some company.

[Kit Karson]

I am staying in CP for a few days and was wondering if anybody wants to team up for a KTV visit. It is not much fun alone and I would welcome some company.

regards

Kit

[Jelao]

I am staying in CP for a few days and was wondering if anybody wants to team up for a KTV visit. It is not much fun alone and I would welcome some company.

regards

KitI am there from Sunday onwards, I am new to the forum but frequently in CP :p