2008 South China - Dongguan

[Weelock]

We are still on a crackdown period in Chang'An.

Police raid almost every night on BBS.

And most massage places turned legit or closed for the moment.

There is very little information in Chang An. Can you tell me more about these BBS. There location and pricing stucture. I would like to drop by, one of these days to Chang An.

Thanks....

[Lex Moon]

There is very little information in Chang An. Can you tell me more about these BBS. There location and pricing stucture. I would like to drop by, one of these days to Chang An.

Thanks....

I have not been to Chang An before but my friends told me that CP is much better. They used to go to Chang An but after I told them about CP, they never went back to Chang An anymore.

Does anyone know anything about the location of Shangyuan Hotel?
The rooms look very nice. Will be in CP next week. Would be great if I can join some of the CP experts here for some hunting.

[Fast Eddie 48]

There is very little information in Chang An. Can you tell me more about these BBS. There location and pricing stucture. I would like to drop by, one of these days to Chang An.

Thanks....Weelock,

There are many bbs in Cha An about 5 yr ago behind the main bus station alone there are as many as 20 ,I go there and get st for 100 rmb but most of them closed down 4 yr ago and most of the sauna is now gone also don't waste time just stay in CP if you no business going there .

Fast eddie 48

[Waterfish7788]

I am staying in CP for a few days and was wondering if anybody wants to team up for a KTV visit. It is not much fun alone and I would welcome some company.

Regards

KitHi Kit,

I am in CP as well, Staying at Lucky Hotel, Which KTV do u plan to visit? Better book early as i think this weekend is pack.

Waterfish

[OldAsiaHand]

There was one senior memeber that posted pics of a married freebie. She somehow found the forum and saw the pics. On top of this, her husband checked her computer and found the link to the pics. Fortunately for the member, the husband was cool about it since he was already aware of her extramarital activities. The senior member was not the first. The husband used the pics for leverage to finally divorce her saying that he was going to give the link to all her friends and associates and should would lose face big time.

The member in this case was very lucky. Imagine if the husband was not cool about it. A contract hit is China is very cheap. How about a brother or father?

I also like the pics with faces, but it can be risky and not worth the potential consequences.

Just my POV.

OAH



I like to see the pictures with the faces, but there have been problems. One senior member of this forum posted a girls picture and she was informed about it by some dickhead with a big mouth. That senior member now never posts pictures.

I remember reading in the Beijing thread that some of the girls at Maggie's had been regular readers of this forum. Again, some dickhead with a big mouth had told them about this forum.

[Wayne1979]

Hey I'm in CP right now, and was as the Hui Hei Sauna last night. Had a great time. I was walking around today and approached by a nice looking girl. She asked if I would like to come upto her room, and I followed. Once in the room 4 men attacked me and took all of my cash total about 1000usd. I was coming from Zhuhai and was just doing a day trip, and hadn't gotten a room yet. I feel like a fool, but thankfully the thugs gave me back my credit cards ATM cards, and passport. It's only money, but I'm pretty shaken up by the incident. Warning to all, do not enter apartments unless you're with a group of people already, or better yet avoid it altogether.

They were threatening to burn my passport if I didn't withdraw 10000 RMB with my visa card, but I don't even know my own password for cash. They finally believed me and let me go, but not after taking a few shots in the face. If it was maybe two I would have fought back, but with 4 of them in a small room I wouldn't have stood a chance.

A question though for any CP members. Is there a place in CP where I can withdraw money from an ATM. My ATM card isn't accepted in most of the China banks. It's a canadian ATM card, and I need to have an INTERAC compatible machine to withdraw cash like one from HSBC. Please PM me or respond on forum, as I'm broke right now, and was only able to get a room since the thugs gave me back my Credit cards. If you want PM me your mobile in CP, could really use some assistance, as I'm pretty shaken up over the whole incident. Thanks again to anybody that can help me out.

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[Moody]

If it was maybe two I would have fought back, but with 4 of them in a small room I wouldn't have stood a chance.


If you knew the OWL ball kicking technique, you coulda taken all 4 of 'em down.

Seriously though, there's an ATM at the China Construction Bank across from the Hui Hua Hotel. There's also a bank of China down the road near Tesco. Worse comes to worse, take a trip to Shenzhen, there's a bunch of HSBC branches there including one near the train station at the Century Plaza Hotel.

[Playboy2000]

Wow, that is worse story I've ever heard about CP on this forum. We have heard about petty theft (jewelry, pickpockets, etc); but I don't recall anyone saying they were punched or were threatened to have their passport burned.

I would also be very shaken up. Sorry to hear about that - it is a shame something like this happened to you. The only consolation is that if something similar had happened to you in Rio, things might be much worse...as people carry around guns there.

I generally put just about everything in a safe when wondering about CP or anywhere - I just carry a copy of my passport, never more than 1000 RMB, and maybe one credit card.



Hey I'm in CP right now, and was as the Hui Hei Sauna last night. Had a great time. I was walking around today and approached by a nice looking girl. She asked if I would like to come upto her room, and I followed. Once in the room 4 men attacked me and took all of my cash total about 1000usd. I was coming from Zhuhai and was just doing a day trip, and hadn't gotten a room yet. I feel like a fool, but thankfully the thugs gave me back my credit cards ATM cards, and passport. It's only money, but I'm pretty shaken up by the incident. Warning to all, do not enter apartments unless you're with a group of people already, or better yet avoid it altogether.

They were threatening to burn my passport if I didn't withdraw 10000 RMB with my visa card, but I don't even know my own password for cash. They finally believed me and let me go, but not after taking a few shots in the face. If it was maybe two I would have fought back, but with 4 of them in a small room I wouldn't have stood a chance.

A question though for any CP members. Is there a place in CP where I can withdraw money from an ATM. My ATM card isn't accepted in most of the China banks. It's a canadian ATM card, and I need to have an INTERAC compatible machine to withdraw cash like one from HSBC. Please PM me or respond on forum, as I'm broke right now, and was only able to get a room since the thugs gave me back my Credit cards. If you want PM me your mobile in CP, could really use some assistance, as I'm pretty shaken up over the whole incident. Thanks again to anybody that can help me out.

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[Wayne1979]

First off, I would like to thank all the posted on forum or sent me a PM to support me after my ordeal.

I decided to post a more detailed report on what happened. Hopefully other forum members or CP newbies will learn from my stupidness.

I was walking along the main road in CP. A senior bro had taken me out to KTV's the previous night, but had business at the Canton fair. Since I was just doing a couple days in CP, and was planning on just staying at saunas overnight I had all of my money and passport on me. In future, even though it's more expensive, I will definitely get my own hotel room before heading out, just so I have a safe place for my passport. My friend had suggested certain places for me to see, and in hindsight I really wish I had heeded his advice. So I was walking along the main road when a sexy girl told me 150 a pop. She said it was just a short walk away, so I thought I might as well check out the girls. The apartment is one of those scummy neighbourhoods alleys off the main street. She walked me upto the 2nd flight of stairs and then opened a room for me. I had gone to BBS's in Shenzhen the day before and can confirm they basically look the exact same as the room I was taken to. As soon as I walked in she shut the door behind me and 4 thugs emerged from a room. I tried to escape the room and was almost out when one of the guys tackled me down low and another started to choke me from behind. I started to black out and decided that fighting back would only get me hurt more if I actually hurt one of them. I'm pretty big for a Chinese guy, and had it been 2 on 1 I would have liked my chances, but with 4 there I wouldn't have stood a chance. I was strangely calm, very scared, but was able to think quickly and act accordingly. I was very respectful to the robbers and explained that I would co-operate and give them anything they wanted. I played the freaked out tourist, hoping they would just have pity on me and not hurt me physically. I was acting so scared they actually turned on the air-con in the room for me, gave me a bottle of cold water, and lit a cigarette for me. I swear though that this was an act, as I figured acting to calm would make me seem cocky, and not believable. When they threatened to burn my passport if I didn't give them my Visa Password, I seriously freaked out. This was only to save my passport, as this was the only thing I really cared about. Money can always be earned, but being trapped in China and having to explain to my family what happened and that I needed to be rescued is not an option. They were actually quite nice for robbers once I showed that I would not try to escape nor fight with them. The boss gave me back about 100rmb in small bills, and after 10-15 mins of trying to get my Visa password out of me. I just kept on explaining in my really bad mandarin that I only used the cards to get hotel rooms, that I don't know the password. They threatened to beat me, and even hit me a few times in the face, but they're typical un-coordinated Chinese guys that don't know how to throw a proper punch and probably throw a baseball like a girl. The punches didn't really hurt, but I acted as though they were killing me since I don't want any scars or maybe lose a tooth or something (the girls won't think I'm handsome anymore hahaha). One of them started to threaten to burn me with cigarettes, but the Dai Lo who was starting to pity me, told him to stop it, and that I was co-operating and didn't need to be scared anymore. I told them that the cash they took is what I give to girls when mongering, and that the cards aren't used to get money for myself, they finally believed me after these frightening 10-15 mins. They finally told me to count to a 100 before I left the apartment. Once I left the apartment I immediately went to a Hotel to get a room, as I don't have a mobile on me, and desperately needed to use a phone and have internet access. I went to the Miraton and the only room they had was a 600RMB suite. 600RMB that's honestly nothing for me, so I just took the room and immediately contacted the authourities to report I had been robbed. When 2 uniform police officers showed up at the hotel, I took them to the apartment I was taken to. They had the landlady come down they asked her questions in mandarin, and then took my contact info. In the end I lost about 1500USD.

I hope my fellow mongering bros will be cautious, and don't be a dumbass like me. If you're told to enter an apartment just walk away or tell her to bring the line-up outside for you to choose. Don't enter the apartment. Better yet, if you don't have a local to show you the places that are legit BBS's just stick to the KTV and sauna scene.

To at least end this post on a good note, I just got back from the Virgin Hotel sauna, and they've got Office Lady uniforms, Nurse uniform, and schoolgirl uniforms in their line-up. I picked a schoolgirl and got 2 shots in 90 minuts for 300rmb. The room fee was 298RMB so 598RMB altogether to bang a 19 year old cutie in a schoolgirl. Yes 4 times the cost as a BBS, but none of the risk.

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[Ckckck]

Hello Wayne1978.

There is a Hang Seng (aka Hong Kong Bank) ATM at the side of the Miraton Hotel, between the hotel and I think a 7-11.

Stay safe.

[Kit Karson]

Hi Wayne

my first night here I was opposite the Virgin Hotel going into a video store and a fellow brushed up to me and took my packet of "excel" gum which was prominent in my pants.

For me a great experience because it very easily could have been my wallet or cash. Now I only have some cash , no credit cards or wallet and the cash is not visible , I also now wear my shirt outside my pants. I do not carry my passport it is in the Miraton if it is needed.

My Canadian cards are working in most ATM's the one next to MacDonalds opposite the Miraton and until this morning the one adjoining the hotel.

Are you staying at the Miraton ? Maybe we can meet for lunch there is a great little steak house a few doors down.

KK

happening

A question though for any CP members. Is there a place in CP where I can withdraw money from an ATM. My ATM card isn't accepted in most of the China banks. It's a canadian ATM card, and I need to have an INTERAC compatible machine to withdraw cash like one from HSBC. Please PM me or respond on forum, as I'm broke right now, and was only able to get a room since the thugs gave me back my Credit cards. If you want PM me your mobile in CP, could really use some assistance, as I'm pretty shaken up over the whole incident. Thanks again to anybody that can help me out.

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[Santa]

I had warned several times about the increase in this type of crime in CP and that foreigners had become their target. Some of you guys called my warnings "exaggerated".

I warned about the pick-pockets working the sidewalk outside the video store opposite the Virgin Hotel. I warned about keeping your atm cards in your hotel safe.

10,000 rmb is a lot of money for these guys and their success will make them bolder and more dangerous.

Never follow a girl to her place. No need to carry more than 200rmb in your pocket. Lock ALL of your valubles in the safe. Do as your mother told you, "beware of strangers".

[Waterfish7788]

Hey Kit,

Did u managed to visit any KTV last night? Are you planning one for today? PM me if you are as i will be alone in CP today. My mates are going to GZ for the night.

Thanks

Waterfish7788

[Weelock]

Wow, that is worse story I've ever heard about CP on this forum. We have heard about petty theft (jewelry, pickpockets, etc); but I don't recall anyone saying they were punched or were threatened to have their passport burned.

I would also be very shaken up. Sorry to hear about that - it is a shame something like this happened to you. The only consolation is that if something similar had happened to you in Rio, things might be much worse...as people carry around guns there.

I generally put just about everything in a safe when wondering about CP or anywhere - I just carry a copy of my passport, never more than 1000 RMB, and maybe one credit card.

“AsnDragon” just reported this happening on Oct 4. Furthermore, there are reports of it happening in Southern China before. In Shenzhen, I heard some bank accounts went to nearly zero before they were let go.

You might think differently, but Southern China is known for petty crime and scams. I have also been warning about crime in Southern China for several years now. After a few years of no crime traveling around, you get careless and lose your guard.

I suggest people don't carry a credit card when shopping for girls. All right to bring to China but leave it back at your hotel. One mommy told me they killed a guy by putting a plastic bag over his head. They eventually suffocated him. They probably wanted his PIN. If they get desperate, they might go into your hotel room with your key but unlikely because of cameras.

"S E Asian Joe" reported just last week two Hong Kong guys were killed in Southern China, one of them in Chang Ping.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=801006#post801006


Just got a call from my friend in changping. He's from Hong Kong, been mongering for a few years already in CP. Just last week, he was in CP and a mamsan was grabbing clients from the streets. He followed her to a new building, he got suspicious and asked her he's never been here before. She replied "oh there's been so many changes recently due to the police and everything, we keep jumping around. " He believed her since there has been changes in the rooms near the banyan tree and also the second floor right around the corner of Baby's room. She he went along with her.

When he went inside, they closed the door on him and locked it up with a padlock. Three guys came up form behind him and took his belongings. They wanted to tie him up and have him call up someone to come with more money o bail him out. He negotiated with him, told him he was just a in town for on a company and that he has no money. He was taken for 1000 RMB, a cell phone and a watch. He got lucky and they let him go without causing serious injuries.

Be careful, there has been many of these robberies going on. It's better to go in groups, but even in groups of 2-3 guys, they could easily set up this type of trap. So just be vigilant and don't wander off to new and unexplored territories.

So just wanted to give a heads up to everyone to be careful. Happy Mongering, but always monger safely.

AsnDragon 10-04-08

[Wayne1979]

Hi Wayne

my first night here I was opposite the Virgin Hotel going into a video store and a fellow brushed up to me and took my packet of "excel" gum which was prominent in my pants.

For me a great experience because it very easily could have been my wallet or cash. Now I only have some cash , no credit cards or wallet and the cash is not visible , I also now wear my shirt outside my pants. I do not carry my passport it is in the Miraton if it is needed.

My Canadian cards are working in most ATM's the one next to MacDonalds opposite the Miraton and until this morning the one adjoining the hotel.

Are you staying at the Miraton ? Maybe we can meet for lunch there is a great little steak house a few doors down.

KK

happeningHey KK,

Thanks for the message, I'm actually back to Zhuhai and feeling a bit safer. I'm going back to Macau tomorrow, and have basically had it with China. Too many scammers for me to feel safe anymore.

I'm really just pissed at myself for not thinking with the right head, and following the girl. 1500 USD is alot of money for these guys and it will just make them want to do this again. In the end, I come from a great country that provides me a very good living. These guys will have a couple of good months on my dime, but I would still rather have my nice and comfy life compared to their dreary existence in Dongguan. If I was un-educated, and lived in a country where all the pretty women became *****s for tourists, I would probably rob and beat them to.

My advice to tourists or people un-familiar with the CP area, is don't goto any apartment brothels. Just goto Saunas and KTV's. More expensive but much safer.

[Wapec]

Here is the scenario: quick trip to CP say same day or overnight. How do you arrange accomodation so that you have somplace decent to do the deed with a few gals ?

Go for a normal Hotel and just eat the day rate or something else ? I know about the hourly hotels & have read the posts before. That seems OK for a one shot but if you're up and about for a coupl eof pops before hauling ass outta CP what do you do ?

Think I know the answer but interested in hearing from others ?

\Wapec

[OldAsiaHand]

Here is the scenario: quick trip to CP say same day or overnight. How do you arrange accomodation so that you have somplace decent to do the deed with a few gals ?

Go for a normal Hotel and just eat the day rate or something else ? I know about the hourly hotels & have read the posts before. That seems OK for a one shot but if you're up and about for a coupl eof pops before hauling ass outta CP what do you do ?

Think I know the answer but interested in hearing from others ?

\Wapec

Wapec,

I often do not spend the night. Some of the hotel ST rates are 2 hours, whilst others offer 3 hours. If you can manage 2 girls in this time frame it works. There are other hotels on the same street as Swan Lake for 40RMB for 2 hours, but the accomodations are not that great. The Yalan is only 162 RMB day rate. The Swan Lake is only 200+. I usually just eat the rate and split around 11-12PM. I like to have a place for down time between pops since I usually arrive around mid-day.

Just my POV.

OAH

[Pointpanic]

Hey KK,

Thanks for the message, I'm actually back to Zhuhai and feeling a bit safer. I'm going back to Macau tomorrow, and have basically had it with China. Too many scammers for me to feel safe anymore.

I'm really just pissed at myself for not thinking with the right head, and following the girl. 1500 USD is alot of money for these guys and it will just make them want to do this again. In the end, I come from a great country that provides me a very good living. These guys will have a couple of good months on my dime, but I would still rather have my nice and comfy life compared to their dreary existence in Dongguan. If I was un-educated, and lived in a country where all the pretty women became *****s for tourists, I would probably rob and beat them to.

My advice to tourists or people un-familiar with the CP area, is don't goto any apartment brothels. Just goto Saunas and KTV's. More expensive but much safer.


Wayne, thanks for posting what happened to you. You reinforced the golden rule; never go to an apartment with a girl you meet on the street. Whether it is Changping, Bangkok, Pattaya, Manila or anytown.
Most ISG members check into hotels where they leave the passport, cash, credit cards and airline tickets in the safe. I always take one credit card with me but I may reconsider that having heard your story. I xerox the picture page on passport and the Chinese visa and carry that with me.
We now are on notice that there are bandits in Changping and the cops do not control the situation. And the girls are now assisting the bandits.
Maybe the cops will try to stop this.
You are correct. Get the girls in the KTVs or saunas and require any BBS firls to come to your room.

[OldAsiaHand]

I am living proof. I paid Santa twice for my I-phone since I lost the first payment to a pickpocket walking from the hotel to a restaurant to pay him.

OAH



I had warned several times about the increase in this type of crime in CP and that foreigners had become their target. Some of you guys called my warnings "exaggerated".

I warned about the pick-pockets working the sidewalk outside the video store opposite the Virgin Hotel. I warned about keeping your atm cards in your hotel safe.

10,000 rmb is a lot of money for these guys and their success will make them bolder and more dangerous.

Never follow a girl to her place. No need to carry more than 200rmb in your pocket. Lock ALL of your valubles in the safe. Do as your mother told you, "beware of strangers".

[Moody]

What always surprises me is the change in behavior of people when they go to a foreign country. Would an New York guy go to a grotty place like East LA looking for hookers and then follow one into a strange apartment that he's never been to before? Hell no! But oddly, guys come here and think nothing of it. Guys engage in what can euphemistically be termed as "risky behavior" and expect no repercussions.

Following anybody anywhere is a risky proposition. You wouldn't do it in Mercer St. in Manhattan, so you shouldn't do it here.

Guys come here for all sorts of reasons, some for biz, some just for the girls. Guys get their kicks out of all sorts of things too. Some guys have a real jones for streetwalkers in skanky settings, and some guys just can't resist finding a bargain fuck for 150-200 yuan. That's all ok and I have no problems with it, but you should be aware of what can happen. If you want to be safe, then just stick to KTVs and saunas that have been written about ad infinitum on this thread, otherwise, be aware this isn't Disneyland and bad shit can and does happen.

I'm not really saying you shouldn't do those things, because it can be fun as hell and I do it too. You should just be aware of what can happen and not have the attitude that "China is bad." It's just what it is, and to be honest, people are the same all over the world. There are bad people in every country who are looking to take your money, and if you're not careful, they're gonna get it. Wayne got taken for $1500 and he learned his lesson. I'm sure next time around, if there is a next time, he'll be smarter. There's no reason to be paranoid in China, but again, we're not in grade school anymore where the worst that can happen is you lose your lunch money and get pushed to the ground.

[Santa]

I am living proof. I paid Santa twice for my I-phone since I lost the first payment to a pickpocket walking from the hotel to a restaurant to pay him.

OAH

Just so there is no misunderstanding by the readers, this is what happened. I bought OAH an I-Phone in the USA and delivered it to CP. We arranged to meet in a restaurant. When OAH arrived in the restaurant he discovered his money was missing. So, we thought he must have been pickpocketed while walking from the hotel to the restaurant. He stopped once at a pharmacy to buy something, so maybe it happened there.

About a month later, I caught a guy trying to pick my pocket with a long pair of tweezers that resembled a dagger. This happened while buying fruit from a vendor outside a video store opposite the Virgin Hotel. I think the vendor was involved because I think he intentionally delayed the transaction, trying to keep my attention focused on him while his partner picked the pocket.

[Wadman]

And then of course you have guys like me. Walked from Lucky hotel to the night market at 12:30 in the morning all by myself. Look like a local, behave like one, and you will be fine. SEA Joe wears shorts now when he comes to China. No more fancy long pants. He may not have pretty legs, he may get bitten by the odd mosquito on his legs. But at least his chances of getting robbed are less.

[Santa]

there are bandits in Changping and the cops do not control the situation. And the girls are now assisting the bandits.

Maybe the cops will try to stop this.



I think the cops are more interested in the girls and mommies, if you know what I mean, nudge, nudge!

[SE Asia Joe]

And then of course you have guys like me. Walked from Lucky hotel to the night market at 12:30 in the morning all by myself. Look like a local, behave like one, and you will be fine. SEA Joe wears shorts now when he comes to China. No more fancy long pants. He may not have pretty legs, he may get bitten by the odd mosquito on his legs. But at least his chances of getting robbed are less.
Further sartorial advise please - what do I do when the cold weather comes?
SEAJ

[SE Asia Joe]

Wapec,

I often do not spend the night. Some of the hotel ST rates are 2 hours, whilst others offer 3 hours. If you can manage 2 girls in this time frame it works. There are other hotels on the same street as Swan Lake for 40RMB for 2 hours, but the accomodations are not that great. The Yalan is only 162 RMB day rate. The Swan Lake is only 200+. I usually just eat the rate and split around 11-12PM. I like to have a place for down time between pops since I usually arrive around mid-day.

Just my POV.

OAH
The damn Swan Lake insisted that NOT only do they no longer offer day rooms (yeah - right - how come when the momma from the KTV arranges it, I get the day room for RMB 80??), but they also insisted that I pay the week-end rate yesterday a Sunday - because of the Canton Trade Fair; Yeah right!

I had originally booked 2 rooms for Wadman and I - and both of us were actually gonna use both rooms for the day only. But since we had a bit of differing schedule i.e. Wadman was leaving later, we quickly figured out to schedule the use of ONE room between the 2 of us!!

I managed to do what i wanted to do, stocked up the room with new towels and tolietries, handed over the keys to Wadman and I presume that he went ahead and did what he wanted to do!!

So there - Swan Lake!! Muahahaha!!

SEAJ

[SE Asia Joe]

What always surprises me is the change in behavior of people when they go to a foreign country. Would an New York guy go to a grotty place like East LA looking for hookers and then follow one into a strange apartment that he's never been to before? Hell no! But oddly, guys come here and think nothing of it. Guys engage in what can euphemistically be termed as "risky behavior" and expect no repercussions.

.
Actually..... I THINK that visitors to most mongering destinations in SE Asia (including China - although I hate that China is now more and more taking on such a moniker) also gets lulled into a sense of complacency - in that most of these places are way more laid back, the people ARE shorter in Stature (thus not appearing quite as threatening as the bigger White/Black races), and are more ready to offer a ready smile.

Also, a lot of visitors are spoiled by the treatment they receive from their usual haunts i.e. hotels, restaurants, tour operators, travel agents etc and in the case of mongers - the KTV's, saunas, footsies BBS's etc. ALL of these establishments offer way superior services and products in Asia than in the Western World.

Not only do visitors to our shores get spoiled, the bad thing is that they get lulled into a sense of complaceny - making them think that just because they are visitors/of different race AND from a more economically advantaged part of the world, that they would be accorded leeway, respect and "protection" not accorded to locals. BAD MISTAKE.!!

There are of course the sensible visitors who nonetheless still get into trouble - and to them, I of course sympathize with your problems. But I also see that there ARE IDIOTS in most tourist destinations - and it is these same idiots making it worse for all of us. BSD's, B.F.D's, Y.o.u..... s.p.e.a.k ..... e.n.g.l.i.s.h?, I give you DOLLARS!! REAl Money!! etc etc. These guys makes the locals resentful of most other visitors.

And my apologies but remarks like "...If I was un-educated, and lived in a country where all the pretty women became *****s for tourists,..." are certainly uncalled for - IMHO.

Look-it - we're all people, trying to survive in this world of ours in whatever means possible (unfortunately including having to rob, cheat etc) but we all can do our own part to make our world a nicer place to live in - NO??

Just my very humble opinion. peace

SEAJ

[OldAsiaHand]

And then of course you have guys like me. Walked from Lucky hotel to the night market at 12:30 in the morning all by myself. Look like a local, behave like one, and you will be fine. SEA Joe wears shorts now when he comes to China. No more fancy long pants. He may not have pretty legs, he may get bitten by the odd mosquito on his legs. But at least his chances of getting robbed are less.

Wadman,

The average local Chinese monger normally wears long pants. They might wear shorts if they are on a holiday at the beach. Some of the younger guys may be an exception, but they are not the lion's share of mongers. I think what you see are mostly overseas Chinese with shorts on in CP. I, nor the thieves, believe for a minute that either you or SEAJ are locals.

IMHO, laowais are less likely to be victims of crime, especially the confrontational type that Wayne experienced. First of all, Asians generally do not go to the authorities, but rather chalk it up to bad luck and stupidity. Laowais may make it an international incident and LE are forced to do something about it. I was told by LE in Shenzhen that it is a lot of hassle for them if a laowai gets into trouble. And, there is the language problem.

Just my POV.

OAH

[OldAsiaHand]

What always surprises me is the change in behavior of people when they go to a foreign country. Would an New York guy go to a grotty place like East LA looking for hookers and then follow one into a strange apartment that he's never been to before? Hell no! But oddly, guys come here and think nothing of it. Guys engage in what can euphemistically be termed as "risky behavior" and expect no repercussions.

Following anybody anywhere is a risky proposition. You wouldn't do it in Mercer St. in Manhattan, so you shouldn't do it here.

I often walk down dark alleys in strange towns in the middle of the night alone looking for BBS. I go to strange apartments for the deed, but at least I know the BBS where I found the girl. On the other hand, I never follow a tout or a girl(s) alone to an unknown place. You can always ask a tout to bring girls to a public place or the security of your hotel room.

In CP, it can be tricky since they do move the BBS from time to time. If you do not follow the mamas, you may not be able to find them.

If I am unfamiliar with the area, I do not wear a watch/jewelry or carry any credit/ATM, nor more cash than I am willing to pay/lose.

Just my POV.

OAH

[Weelock]

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Not only do visitors to our shores get spoiled, the bad thing is that they get lulled into a sense of complaceny - making them think that just because they are visitors/of different race AND from a more economically advantaged part of the world, that they would be accorded leeway, respect and "protection" not accorded to locals. BAD MISTAKE.!!

There are of course the sensible visitors who nonetheless still get into trouble - and to them, I of course sympathize with your problems. But I also see that there ARE IDIOTS in most tourist destinations - and it is these same idiots making it worse for all of us. BSD's, B.F.D's, Y.o.u..... s.p.e.a.k ..... e.n.g.l.i.s.h?, I give you DOLLARS!! REAl Money!! etc etc. These guys makes the locals resentful of most other visitors.


Reminds me of the construction workers in Beijing building the US Embassy's. There are bars some go to and the workers think they own the place.

I recall an ISG member, usually post in the Philippines board, said anyone who doesn't speak English is stupid. I think he was planning to make a visit to China and needed help. Don't know what eventually happened.

I also recall when a ship from a foreign nation docks in Hong Kong. Some ( sailors ) think they are above the law and anything goes. Some disrespect the local people and culture. They think they own everything where they go.

Spring Break down Mexico is another example. The drinking age is 18 in Mexico. Kids not old enough yet in the USA, go to Mexico and always cause trouble. It's teenage male hormones at work during Spring Break.





And my apologies but remarks like "...If I was un-educated, and lived in a country where all the pretty women became *****s for tourists,..." are certainly uncalled for - IMHO.

Look-it - we're all people, trying to survive in this world of ours in whatever means possible (unfortunately including having to rob, cheat etc) but we all can our own part to make our world a nicer place to live in - NO??

SEAJ

This reminds me an ISG member who wanted a note to be translated from English to Chinese. He wanted to pay a waitress some money and to meet at his hotel to fuck her. He's a type of guy who thinks all girls in China are *****s. Try doing that in Britain, Australia or USA, you get kicked out of the resturant or arrested.

[SE Asia Joe]

Wadman,

The average local Chinese monger normally wears long pants. They might wear shorts if they are on a holiday at the beach. Some of the younger guys may be an exception, but they are not the lion's share of mongers. I think what you see are mostly overseas Chinese with shorts on in CP. I, nor the thieves, believe for a minute that either you or SEAJ are locals.

IMHO, laowais are less likely to be victims of crime, especially the confrontational type that Wayne experienced. First of all, Asians generally do not go to the authorities, but rather chalk it up to bad luck and stupidity. Laowais may make it an international incident and LE are forced to do something about it. I was told by LE in Shenzhen that it is a lot of hassle for them if a laowai gets into trouble. And, there is the language problem.

Just my POV.

OAH
WADMAN!!!! WTF.... you been setting me up all the time!!
Fact is, I DO know - and have always known - that locals do NOT wear shorts!! And its only dumb Hong Kong guys who do so - and those following Wadman's advise!!

But then the other choice is to dress like the locals - which is pointy black leather shoes, suitably dusted up, Western dress pants... but tapered and in nice subtle check patterns, topped off with nice poly-cotton short-sleeved shirt - preferably in faded colors. And oh, stuff the pockets full of pens, pencils, business cards, combs and whatever else. Hair gotta be all nice and greasy or crew cut.

But since I'd not be allowed back into Hong Kong for trying to impersonate myself whilst using my HK Identity card if I do dress like the locals - that is the reason why I go along with Wadman's sartorial advise. Now.... what is the dress code for the winter Wadman??

SEAJ

[Fast Eddie 48]

The damn Swan Lake insisted that NOT only do they no longer offer day rooms (yeah. Right. How come when the momma from the KTV arranges it, I get the day room for RMB 80? ), but they also insisted that I pay the week-end rate yesterday a Sunday. Because of the Canton Trade Fair; Yeah right!

I had originally booked 2 rooms for Wadman and I. And both of us were actually gonna use both rooms for the day only. But since we had a bit of differing schedule I. E. Wadman was leaving later, we quickly figured out to schedule the use of ONE room between the 2 of us!

I managed to do what I wanted to do, stocked up the room with new towels and tolietries, handed over the keys to Wadman and I presume that he went ahead and did what he wanted to do!

So there. Swan Lake! Muahahaha!

SEAJSEAJ,

I think maybe we should get a ISG room at swan lake that we can all share ,get a girl at swan lake and take turn just give the girl 100 rmb each and save on the mommie comissions and spit the room cost but I go first.

Fast eddie 48

[Jim Traveller]

International ATM cards can be used at:

1. Hangshen Bank machine outside the Meriton, turn left after you exit the hotel 2. All Bank of China ATM machines. One near the main drag can be found at the "Hua Ren" shopping area. Diagonally across from the Red Lion. Everyone in CP knows where Hua Ren is.

3. Argricultrual Bank ATM (for some cards). One is located inside Hui Hua lobby and the China Construction Bank ATM (for some cards only). One is located across the street from Hui Hua.

Hong Kong dollar and US$ can be exchanged convenient at every hotel. At a commission like 2% from the median rate. Other currencies are not welcome in CP. If you happen to get stuck with a fistful of "other" currencies, you can line up (sometimes for an hour) at a Bank of China branch and get your cash exchanged. You will get a better rate from the bank than from the exchange kiosks at the airport. You be your own judge as to whether it is worth your time.

If you have US or HK Dollar, you can also exchange it at most convenience shops at CP. Rates are slightly better than at the hotel. But be ware of fake bills.

[Jim Traveller]

Outright robberies like that committed against Wayne are rare. But pickpockets are rampant.

I was walking on the street across from the Red Lion in broad daylight. I was talking with my companion about the fact that I have never been pick-pocketed. We were speaking quitely so no one could have heard us. When I felt a pull in my pants pocket. Shit, I will never say anything like that again, knock on wood!

I turned around, a guy was holding my cell phone in his hand looking stunned and looking straight at me. He immiedately handed me the cell phone, shrugged and disappeared into the crowds.

If he had run with my cell phone, I could never have caught him, nor would I try. I look local, but I am not. Who knows whether the thief had a gang of thus hiding nearby.

If this is the same theif who managed to take a pack of gum from the earlier poster, than he must be one of the most unsuccessful one in CP.

Other thieves are reportedly more skilled. Watch out, brothers.

[Jim Traveller]

Took one of those rouge taxis.

Handed the driver rmb 100. Driver first said he did not have change. Than apparently change his mind, took the money from me and then started fumbling around for change. At the end he said he couldn't find sufficient change and I handed him a small bill. He returned the rmb 100 bills to me.

I exited the cab and immediately tried to use the same 100 bill at a convenience store. Being told this is a fake bill.

A switch had apparently been made while the driver was fumbling for change.

I chuckle as a tear up the fake bill, lesson learned. Just another day in CP.

[SE Asia Joe]

SEAJ,

I think maybe we should get a ISG room at swan lake that we can all share ,get a girl at swan lake and take turn just give the girl 100 rmb each and save on the mommie comissions and spit the room cost but I go first.

Fast eddie 48Young Man - haven't you heard its "Age before Beauty" and whilst I'm not sure about your beauty (Yuck) I certainly got dibs on you age wise. So there!

Only problem I can see with your plan is boredom - she's really gonna be bored with you after I get done with her!!

SEAJ

[SE Asia Joe]

A fight to go first?


How about you two having an orgy, TWO guys with ONE girl. I always been hearing about two girls and one guy and not the other way around. There are 3 holes you two can fight on a girl. Start from the rear and go from there. I want see who gets turn down first, or first to get a OK. I want to see who can score the first hole in one. Just a stupid joke that I will delete in 12 hours.
With Eddie??? You gotta be kidding!! As indiscriminate as he is, I'd be plenty worried about the 4th hole - mine!! NO Bloody Way!!
SEAJ
ps. and this is NO joke!!

[Chang Ping]

Read a report some time back on this and have been searching the forum last 3 days to find it with no success. Can someone help repost it?

I recall the contributor listed quite clearly the types of antibiotics to take before going on a trip. More specifically what antibiotic for what diseases and in what dosages per day etc. I also recall he posted pics of the ones available for purchase and cost in China pharmacies (one of them was cipro)

Question how much time before a trip should I take this? Ie if I am going for a 1 week trip starting Mon. Do I take it on Sun or Monday itself?

Sorry am not looking to be spoonfed, I honestly did try to search in both archived and current threads with no success.

[SE Asia Joe]

I remember my friend asked for my girl after I was finished. Well believe it or not she said NO to him. It was not "Santa" but he is my witness.
Welllll..... everybody knows that birds of the same feather flock together. Your Xiaojie figured out that your friend would "perform" the way you just did .... and of course refuses!! Muahahaha!!

SEAJ

[SE Asia Joe]

Took one of those rouge taxis.

.
Sorrry sorry sorry .... but I just cain't help it!!
Is a rouge taxi - that of the special colour paint job - solely for the use of mongers? Can a monger also use Lavender colored ones?? Or the yellow and green ones?? Or...??

Like I said - Sorry.... but the english language is such a ***** ain't it??!!

SEAJ

[Slower Better]

Checked into the Jiayi last night and called up Mama Wei for the KTV lineup. The bill for the hotel room is only 218, and the rooms are much nicer than at Swan Lake.

The girls lineup are spectacular again. Opted to sit in the main area and watched the girls parade in around 5:45 to 6:15, then went to pick the lineup.

There is no 100 cover if you sit with the girl until 8:30. Then it is out and off to do whatever you wish. We actually went back to the hotel room to "check my emails" and stayed there for the rest of the night.

Will be in town for another 3-4 days. Anyone interested in actually getting a room at the KTV or doing some other visiting around town please pm me or call me at the Jiayi room 431.

[Moody]

Read a report some time back on this and have been searching the forum last 3 days to find it with no success. Can someone help repost it?

I recall the contributor listed quite clearly the types of antibiotics to take before going on a trip. More specifically what antibiotic for what diseases and in what dosages per day etc. I also recall he posted pics of the ones available for purchase and cost in China pharmacies (one of them was cipro)

Question how much time before a trip should I take this? Ie if I am going for a 1 week trip starting Mon. Do I take it on Sun or Monday itself?

Sorry am not looking to be spoonfed, I honestly did try to search in both archived and current threads with no success.

For the easily cured ailments, UTI, gonorrhea, and chlamydia, take a cocktail of 1500mg of azithromycin and 500mg of ciprofloxacin. If you catch any of the other more exotic stuff, like syphillis,... The cure is not so simple.

[OldAsiaHand]

There is no 100 cover if you sit with the girl until 8:30. Then it is out and off to do whatever you wish

I guess they do have a policy that you can't just take the girls out immediately from the line-up. We encountered the same thing. They wanted 50 RMB if the girls were back by 8:30 and 100 RMB if back after 10:00PM. We also had to pay a 42 RMB drink charge.

With my limited Chinese language skills, I did not understand all the details. I would be curious if somebody can find out the precise deal for future reference.

OAH

[Santa]

Read a report some time back on this and have been searching the forum last 3 days to find it with no success. Can someone help repost it?

I recall the contributor listed quite clearly the types of antibiotics to take before going on a trip. More specifically what antibiotic for what diseases and in what dosages per day etc. I also recall he posted pics of the ones available for purchase and cost in China pharmacies (one of them was cipro)

Question how much time before a trip should I take this? Ie if I am going for a 1 week trip starting Mon. Do I take it on Sun or Monday itself?

Sorry am not looking to be spoonfed, I honestly did try to search in both archived and current threads with no success.

I'm not qualified to answer your question but I do have some knowledge in this area. I think you should not take a "preventive cocktail" of antibiotics. Your natural bacteria will be seriously damaged and you will become vulnerable to opportunistic microbes.

Play safe and use condoms. If you still get something, see a doctor.

Consult with a doctor before you travel and get hepatitis A and B shots.

[SE Asia Joe]

Ok, so we are all here. Let see - wadman, Pleasure dude, AG, Moody. lazy something plus a couple other stragglers - and they are all witness to this:

I managed to at last drink a KTV gal under the table.
So there!! No more Toucan Joe here!!

SEAJ

[Tryntry]

Just found out CNY is January 26, 2009. Will be in South China (Hong Kong) around that time. Originally was thinking CP for some fun, but after research. Now I have second thoughts.

May visit Manila instead.

Any suggestions or advice on mongering or travel to CP during that time period is appreciated.

Thanks

[Manfest]

I'm not qualified to answer your question but I do have some knowledge in this area. I think you should not take a "preventive cocktail" of antibiotics. Your natural bacteria will be seriously damaged and you will become vulnerable to opportunistic microbes.

Play safe and use condoms. If you still get something, see a doctor.

Consult with a doctor before you travel and get hepatitis A and B shots.

Santa knows much more than just how to please Mrs. Claus and some spinner elves!! I know there were some opinions earlier about taking prophylaxis antibiotics before catching something, but that is just plain silly. It can mess up your GI system and actually cause serious diarrhea, stop the antibiotics from working when you really need them, and do nothing for viral infections (like Hepatitis, Herpes and HIV; much worse than any bacterial infection). Listen to the jolly old man! :)

[Wadman]

I managed to at last drink a KTV gal under the table.
So there!! No more Toucan Joe here!!

SEAJ

Maybe...maybe... just maybe she pretended to fall asleep because she didn't want you to feel her up any more.

[Fast Eddie 48]

Just found out CNY is January 26, 2009. Will be in South China (Hong Kong) around that time. Originally was thinking CP for some fun, but after research. Now I have second thoughts.

May visit Manila instead.

Any suggestions or advice on mongering or travel to CP during that time period is appreciated.

ThanksTryntry,

I will be china for business 2 week before was thinking about going to manila or bali for a week and then return to china and CP in feb ,last yr is a mess in guangzhou during CNE mongering is not that bad many of the girl stay in cp instead of going home for the holiday because of the railroad closure .

Fast eddie 48

[Slower Better]

If you had unprotected intercourse, and you get symptoms, going to see a doctor first essentially gets you nothing because doctors usually do a trial of therapy anyway before actually testing you for diseases.

Some authorities state that: Treatment is recommended for: Anyone who has had sexual contact in the past 60 days with a person diagnosed with gonorrhea, whether or not they have symptoms or used condoms.

Additionally, if you have a signficant other who may also get infected, taking the time to see a doctor is not a very convenient option.

Azithromycin is good against chlamydia and bladder infections. One regimen is taken as 500 mg first day, then 250 mg per day for 5 days afterwards.

Ciprofloxacin was recommended for gonorrhea in 2000 and 2002 but there are some changes in the treatment recommendations due to increased resistance to "quinolones". The current recommendation is for cephalosporins. Also, there is a nice little antibiotic in the quinolone family, which was delisted in the usa for "sugar" issues, which is available in local pharmacies. Called gatifloxacin, which is really really good and effective.

As for syphilis, the best treatment is with penicillin. Alternative treatment is with cephalosporins and/or zithromax. But zithromax is not always effective against syphilis, and there are some treatment failures. The main long term worry is neurosyphilis=alzheimers, which takes years to develop, if you are doing a lot of mongering, consider doing some precautions, I. E. Lab test or antibiotic prophylaxis annually.

For medical and legal disclaimer reasons, this information is provided as general disclosure information for the use of forum members only and is not to be considered medical advice. You should consult your own personal physician prior to any treatment or diagnosis. Blah, blah, blah.

EDITOR'S SUGGESTION: This is interesting, but you might consider re-posting it under the Safe Sex topic in the Special Interests section of the Forum where it will benefit the Forum Members who are specifically looking for this type of information. Thanks!

[Lee66]

look into the use of [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) dip stick tests. roche diagnostiks has what theycall chem strip 10 , 9 , 7, and 5. they are very accurate if you have nothing but if it is positive, the average chance it is from a std is about 50%. to increase sensitivity of test, use 15 ml or so after waiting a few hours after last [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134). do a google search .

[Lee66]

there are a few shops across the street from lucky that had a better exchange rate then the miraton(also a lot quicker).

[OldAsiaHand]

there are a few shops across the street from lucky that had a better exchange rate then the miraton(also a lot quicker).

Lee66,

Have you actually changed money at any of those shops? Unless you know for certain who you are dealing with, changing money on the black market in China is very dangerous due to so many counterfeits. A better exchange rate is useless if the money is fake. At least the Miraton or a bank provides a fallback should something go wrong. I am not saying all money changers are crooks, but enough of them are to be vigilant.

Just my POV.

OAH

[Santa]

there are a few shops across the street from lucky that had a better exchange rate then the miraton(also a lot quicker).

Bill Lee and I often changed money in those shops and never had a problem, but the rate is only slightly better than the bank. We are talking pennies here. Walk across the street from the Lucky Hotel and turn left, then walk about 100 yards. There are 3 small shops changing cash money on the right.

That said, OAH is correct, it's always safer at the bank. From the Lucky go up to the Miraton and turn right. The main branch of the Bank of China is a few minutes taxi ride (2 miles?) down on the left. It's next to the Tesco Shopping Center.

[Tesla Coil]

If you had unprotected intercourse, and you get symptoms, going to see a doctor first essentially gets you nothing because doctors usually do a trial of therapy anyway before actually testing you for diseases.

Some authorities state that: Treatment is recommended for: Anyone who has had sexual contact in the past 60 days with a person diagnosed with gonorrhea, whether or not they have symptoms or used condoms.

Additionally, if you have a signficant other who may also get infected, taking the time to see a doctor is not a very convenient option.

Azithromycin is good against chlamydia and bladder infections. One regimen is taken as 500 mg first day, then 250 mg per day for 5 days afterwards.

Ciprofloxacin was recommended for gonorrhea in 2000 and 2002 but there are some changes in the treatment recommendations due to increased resistance to "quinolones". The current recommendation is for cephalosporins. Also, there is a nice little antibiotic in the quinolone family, which was delisted in the usa for "sugar" issues, which is available in local pharmacies. Called gatifloxacin, which is really really good and effective.

As for syphilis, the best treatment is with penicillin. Alternative treatment is with cephalosporins and/or zithromax. But zithromax is not always effective against syphilis, and there are some treatment failures. The main long term worry is neurosyphilis=alzheimers, which takes years to develop, if you are doing a lot of mongering, consider doing some precautions, I. E. Lab test or antibiotic prophylaxis annually.

For medical and legal disclaimer reasons, this information is provided as general disclosure information for the use of forum members only and is not to be considered medical advice. You should consult your own personal physician prior to any treatment or diagnosis. Blah, blah, blah.

EDITOR'S SUGGESTION: This is interesting, but you might consider re-posting it under the Safe Sex topic in the Special Interests section of the Forum where it will benefit the Forum Members who are specifically looking for this type of information. Thanks!As an MD I can second this as the correct recommended treatment. I usually travel with Azithromycin and Ciprofloxin as a precaution. The odds of getting Chlymidia and Gonorrhea when using protection or via a bbbj is pretty small, but a healthy dose of meds before you wander home are usually my own protocol.

You can do a 2mg one time does of Azithro and its pretty broad coverage, and augment that with ciprofloxin if needed. But this can tear your stomach up... and I recommend not eating much that day (IMHO) and drinking plenty of water..

And also guys, don't drink alot when on antibiotics, they have much less effectiveness due to an increase in liver enzymes for most cases (not all because some are cleared by the kidney) but as a good general rule.

Antibiotics are cheap so stock up. I usually get them in India when I am on business because there is higher QC and cheaper prices.

-A-

[Old Mean Dog]

play safe and use condoms. if you still get something, see a doctor.

consult with a doctor before you travel and get hepatitis a and b shots.

i always try to be careful and wear protection, only barebacking a few times. last month, during a medical check, they found a white blood cell in my [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) test and requested i do a lab culture. i was told i had chlamydia, which in turn, the doc figured i had passed it onto my gf. we were treated with about 10 days worth of antibiotics each, but it makes it a little difficult to explain how i got it.

better to be safe than sorry.

-cpe

[SE Asia Joe]

i always try to be careful and wear protection, only barebacking a few times. last month, during a medical check, they found a white blood cell in my [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) test and requested i do a lab culture. i was told i had chlamydia, which in turn, the doc figured i had passed it onto my gf. we were treated with about 10 days worth of antibiotics each, but it makes it a little difficult to explain how i got it.

better to be safe than sorry.

-cpe

yelch - how yucky cpe!!

please make sure that we get serving spoons next time we dine together!!
seaj

[Playboy2000]

Can one buy antibiotics over the counter in China? or Hong Kong?


As an MD I can second this as the correct recommended treatment. I usually travel with Azithromycin and Ciprofloxin as a precaution. The odds of getting Chlymidia and Gonorrhea when using protection or via a bbbj is pretty small, but a healthy dose of meds before you wander home are usually my own protocol.

You can do a 2mg one time does of Azithro and its pretty broad coverage, and augment that with ciprofloxin if needed. But this can tear your stomach up... and I recommend not eating much that day (IMHO) and drinking plenty of water..

And also guys, don't drink alot when on antibiotics, they have much less effectiveness due to an increase in liver enzymes for most cases (not all because some are cleared by the kidney) but as a good general rule.

Antibiotics are cheap so stock up. I usually get them in India when I am on business because there is higher QC and cheaper prices.

-A-

[Mas 147]

In Hong Kong for sure, just go to a pharmacist and ask
Mas 147

[Meiguoguizi]

with the recent wave of factory shut-downs... has anyone noticed a lot of new talent? a competitive impact on rates?

[Santa]

I think taking "preventive antibiotics" is a bad idea. It destroys your natural bacteria and leaves you vulnerable to opportunistic infections. You may develop antibiotic resistant strains of bad bacteria. Also, antibiotics do not prevent viral infections, so don't get the stupid idea that you are now ok because you took some antibiotics.

Manfest is an MD also and I think we agree on this one.

Not surprizing Expat has Yucky Chlamydia. Dirty bastard! :D

[Dan Hawaii]

There are 5 shops that I changed thousands of usd and never had a conterfeit bill.

1. The one next to Hui Mei. Just take a left out of the HM Hotel, and it is the first shop selling cigarretes, they remodeled, used to be a small 7-11 wanna be. It's right before the big cell phone shop. Very reliable and honest.

2. I used this one seldomly, it's right next to the Lucky Hotel. JUst take a left out of the lucky and it is the shop selling fruits, condoms, drinks, etc. (like a 7-11 wanna be). It is a coupld of shops down, only like 3-4 shops from the Lucky.

3. If you stay at the Hui Hua, the lobby actually has good rates too, just like these little shops, however you need to be a guest enable to do exchanges. And there is a limit, I think 200 usd per day.

4. Right next to the Hui Hua hotel, just take a left out of HH Hotel, it is actually on the corner of HH, next to the golf shop. The little 7-11 wanna be, they exchange money here too.

5. At the Penn Hotel, just take a right out of the new wing, and another 7-11 wanna be is right there. They exchange money here too. I used these guys a lot while I stayed at the Penn. Very reliable and honest.

Exchanging money at the bank, tried it, hated it, and did not do it. They ask for all kind of stuff like your passport and you need to fill out a long BS form.

I think the ATM machines with ATM cards are the best and economical way to do it. I did it a couple of times and the fees and stuff still come out cheaper than the little shops. However, sometimes the atms don't work, be it the atm or your own card. So it's always a good idea to have cash on hand. It is also a good idea to call your credit card company to tell them you are going to monger and do it with hot girls, be it, in China, PI, Thailand, etc and give them the dates too. Then they will not block your card. ;)


Bill Lee and I often changed money in those shops and never had a problem, but the rate is only slightly better than the bank. We are talking pennies here. Walk across the street from the Lucky Hotel and turn left, then walk about 100 yards. There are 3 small shops changing cash money on the right.

That said, OAH is correct, it's always safer at the bank. From the Lucky go up to the Miraton and turn right. The main branch of the Bank of China is a few minutes taxi ride (2 miles?) down on the left. It's next to the Tesco Shopping Center.

[Old Mean Dog]

Please make sure that we get serving spoons next time we dine together!!
SEAJ

Oooh please! As often as you're slinging dick around, you're probably a medical class "Show and Tell" for STD's!!

Anyway, let's do lunch soon, I hear Mito's has good sourdough bread nowadays. ;)

-CPE

[Transporter]

with the recent wave of factory shut-downs... has anyone noticed a lot of new talent? a competitive impact on rates?


Yes an amazing amount of new talent (however I think that is due to supply and demand).
As far as rates, it hasn't changed in a long time. However with that said, I have noticed that there have been a couple of new divisions added. On the KTV side, there are a few higher pricing structured KTV's, and on the BBS side there are now a few Lower pricing structures.

[SE Asia Joe]

Yes an amazing amount of new talent (however I think that is due to supply and demand).
As far as rates, it hasn't changed in a long time. However with that said, I have noticed that there have been a couple of new divisions added. On the KTV side, there are a few higher pricing structured KTV's, and on the BBS side there are now a few Lower pricing structures.
When the Canton fair is over and done with, we should see more "discounts" coming on. This damn fair is really causing all sorts of upheavel at present - I nearly did NOT get a room last Saturday, and Wadman ended having to rent a Sauna room to bring his KTV gal to - that's how bad it was. And of course all these furrener BSD's descending upon the li'l hamlet throwing their Corporate stipend money around - and yet the BBS's and KTV's all had more than enough gals!!
When we get rid of all 'em Canton Fair Johnnies, we should have a helluva time with all the new supply of gals from the closed down factories and less Hong Kong guys coming over (Jeez- when will the damn stock and property markets stop dropping??!).

My favorite Mommie has even sent me an SMS stating that from now on, her KTV will accept HK$ on PAR with the RMB for bill payments!! That's at least a 13% discount right there!! Wonder if the gals are also at HK$2-5-8??!!

SEAJ

[Dan Hawaii]

When the Canton fair is over and done with, we should see more "discounts" coming on. This damn fair is really causing all sorts of upheavel at present - I nearly did NOT get a room last Saturday, and Wadman ended having to rent a Sauna room to bring his KTV gal to - that's how bad it was. And of course all these furrener BSD's descending upon the li'l hamlet throwing their Corporate stipend money around - and yet the BBS's and KTV's all had more than enough gals!! When we get rid of all 'em Canton Fair Johnnies, we should have a helluva time with all the new supply of gals from the closed down factories and less Hong Kong guys coming over
Stop complaining and count your blessings. You live so close to CP, you're like in heaven already. Feel sorry for us USA born mother fo's over here dealing with the US economy and having to fly thousands of miles, which takes a whole damn day, just to get where you are everyday. And congrats on putting a girl under, finally. However, Wadman does bring out a good point. Hahaha.

(Jeez- when will the damn stock and property markets stop dropping??!).


Stock markets up today. Yay!!! But property still in the shit hole. Maybe in the next year or 2 it will turn around. Raise capital and credit!!

[Le Baron]

We are still on a crackdown period in Chang'An.

Police raid almost every night on BBS.

And most massage places turned legit or closed for the moment.

I_amateur! Is the police crackdown over yet?
Are you in ChangAn?
If so, we could meet since I work in ChangAn.

[Slower Better]

Yes you can get antibiotics over the counter in China, and it is ridiculously cheap. The Zithromax is like $3 to $5 per treatment. Same for the others.

Quality is similar to that of USA. I have not tried Indian medications, and actually have not even been to India myself. I do stock up on the antibiotics in China when necessary.

As for superbugs and viral infections, the risks for superbugs is extremely small. It is correct that antibiotics do not cure viral infections, but then, not taking antibiotics also do not cure viral infections. Thus, it is a non-variable.

The variables to be considered are if you are exposed to a bacterial infection, do you have symptoms, do you have a girlfriend/wife that you might expose, and do you want to face the long term consequences of not treating appropriately. For me, I prefer to err on the side of treatment, as with most physicians.

As for prophylactically taking an antibiotic regimen before a trip, it kind of defeats the purpose. It should be taken just before you return home, if anything.

Good luck all. Same medical and legal disclaimers, blah, blah, blah.

Anyone in CP this weekend wanting some extra company, Superforce and I should be in town this Friday and Saturday.

[Slower Better]

Yes you can get antibiotics over the counter in China, and it is ridiculously cheap. The Zithromax is like $3 to $5 per treatment. Same for the others.

Quality is similar to that of USA. I have not tried Indian medications, and actually have not even been to India myself. I do stock up on the antibiotics in China when necessary.

As for superbugs and viral infections, the risks for superbugs is extremely small. It is correct that antibiotics do not cure viral infections, but then, not taking antibiotics also do not cure viral infections. Thus, it is a non-variable.

The variables to be considered are if you are exposed to a bacterial infection, do you have symptoms, do you have a girlfriend/wife that you might expose, and do you want to face the long term consequences of not treating appropriately. For me, I prefer to err on the side of treatment, as with most physicians.

As for prophylactically taking an antibiotic regimen before a trip, it kind of defeats the purpose. It should be taken just before you return home, if anything.

Good luck all. Same medical and legal disclaimers, blah, blah, blah.

Anyone in CP this weekend wanting some extra company, Superforce and I should be in town this Friday and Saturday.

[Chang Ping]

Yes you can get antibiotics over the counter in China, and it is ridiculously cheap. The Zithromax is like $3 to $5 per treatment. Same for the others.

Quality is similar to that of USA. I have not tried Indian medications, and actually have not even been to India myself. I do stock up on the antibiotics in China when necessary.

As for superbugs and viral infections, the risks for superbugs is extremely small. It is correct that antibiotics do not cure viral infections, but then, not taking antibiotics also do not cure viral infections. Thus, it is a non-variable.

The variables to be considered are if you are exposed to a bacterial infection, do you have symptoms, do you have a girlfriend/wife that you might expose, and do you want to face the long term consequences of not treating appropriately. For me, I prefer to err on the side of treatment, as with most physicians.

As for prophylactically taking an antibiotic regimen before a trip, it kind of defeats the purpose. It should be taken just before you return home, if anything.

Good luck all. Same medical and legal disclaimers, blah, blah, blah.

Anyone in CP this weekend wanting some extra company, Superforce and I should be in town this Friday and Saturday.Hey tks for your advice. It does seem like we share the same line of thinking ie err on the side of treatment.

with regards to taking antibiotic regiment BEFORE returning home...what would you recommend or what would you take yourself and when.

So if for example I am returning home on Fri, when do I start, with what and how long?

[SE Asia Joe]

Yes you can get antibiotics over the counter in China, and it is ridiculously cheap. The Zithromax is like $3 to $5 per treatment. Same for the others.

Quality is similar to that of USA. ............. prefer to err on the side of treatment, as with most physicians..............
Read that you area physician. This being so, can you please re-confirm that the quality of the antibiotics is similar to the USA?

Reason I asked is that I used to have a bit of investment in a Drug manufactory and I had introduced a bulk drug - including and especially antibiotics - supplier from China to my partners. Whilst the samples they provided us was perfectly OK, when it came time to actually manufacture the drugs from the bulk supplies, all we had was problem with quality and contaminates; to the point that our factory was actually shut down for a few weeks whilst we cleared it all up. That was a real sore point between my partners and I.

If you recall, the head of the Chinese equivalence of the FDA (the S.D.A.) was convicted of corruption a couple or or so years ago. He was approving all sorts of nonsense and even harmful drugs - and antibiotics these days are so powerful, that I really don't ever dare take any such drugs if manufactured in China by a Chinese Manufacturer.
Your opinion please - with much thanks
SEAJ

[Santa]

Ok, I can see those guys who go to Asia a few times a year, concerned about giving something to the wife, decides it's a good idea to take a few antibiotics right before he goes home. I don't think that is necessarily the right thing to do, but I understand his reason for doing it.

But how about the guys who are living in Asia and are fucking hookers everynight, should they be taking antibiotics on a daily basis? Just a thought. Any opinions?

[Bad Boy Billy]

Guys I finally have some time to put a few thoughts down about my 'maiden' journey to Donguan.

Special thanks to Ace Gallant for providing transport assistance and also to the legend himself OAH for his invaluable assistance in arranging accom and giving me the guided tour.

A big apology to all forum readers / devotees for the pictures I posted - never in my wildest dreams did I think it would cause a problem - hopefully I got them removed in time.

Did I enjoy Changping - ABSOLUTELY.

Will I return to Changping - ABSOLUTELY.

When will I return to Changping - maybe 1 month - maybe 1 year - who knows

Let me try to explain - I speak no more than 10 words of Chinese - so language is a real barrier. Not a killer - just a hurdle to overcome.

I believe that alchohol and 'w.h.o.r.e hunting' go hand in hand. Yes I know you can sit and drink in a KTV environment post selection - not my cup of tea - I really am a 'bar' type person.

Short time to me is 2 to 3 hours with multiple pops - I kinda got the impression that CP girls were keen to exit as soon as the first deed was done - once again - language barrier.

Stayed at Miraton - PERFECTLY acceptable except internet slow from time to time - brakfast OK - but that fucking bed - like sleeping on a slab.

Getting around - so simple - OAH introduced me to Yalan shops, Swan Lake Hotel, Jia Yi Hotel KTV and night market but his committments meant he had to leave town after 1 day.

Was in town 4 nights - did 4 girls each day - had some health issues - any of you guys heard of Prostatitis? Nothing serious - just minor affliction that many guys get once or so in their lives - major problem with this - PAINFULL EJACULATION - can you fucking believe that - PAINFULL EJACULATION.

The poor little girls thought they had struck a real screamer - but alas it was just Billy trying to soldier on.

I need another trip at least with one / some of you experts to get the full lay of the land. Clearly I have explored only a fraction of what is available - hopefully in future I can catch up with some of you guys so as to put faces with names.

Overall quality of girls REALLY surprised me - lovely young hard bodies - I see why you guys love this place.

Overall performance of girls was surprisingly GOOD from my perspective. SURPRISINGLY. I have never been a big wrap for chinese girls - had too many disappointments over the years - but these girls were good.

Even got anal of the last girl on last night was definitely her first time - the look of 'why did you do that to me' on her face when I finished was just priceless - PRICELESS.

Don't want to bore you guys too much - but had a great time - will be back as soon as I can.

[Slower Better]

Read that you area physician. This being so, can you please re-confirm that the quality of the antibiotics is similar to the USA?

Reason I asked is that I used to have a bit of investment in a Drug manufactory and I had introduced a bulk drug. Including and especially antibiotics. Supplier from China to my partners. Whilst the samples they provided us was perfectly OK, when it came time to actually manufacture the drugs from the bulk supplies, all we had was problem with quality and contaminates; to the point that our factory was actually shut down for a few weeks whilst we cleared it all up. That was a real sore point between my partners and I.

If you recall, the head of the Chinese equivalence of the FDA (the S. D. A.) was convicted of corruption a couple or or so years ago. He was approving all sorts of nonsense and even harmful drugs. And antibiotics these days are so powerful, that I really don't ever dare take any such drugs if manufactured in China by a Chinese Manufacturer.

Your opinion please. With much thanks

SEAJI do not have experience with the actual analysis of the samples, the tolerance threshold for impurity for individuals obviously would be lower than if you were actually manufacturing and distributing the drugs.

It seems that the drugs are quite effective, I use the gaitifloxacin for bronchitis, and it appears very effective from a personal anecdotal point of view. I. E. Knocks out my symptoms within 1-2 days.

Long term prophylaxis is not desirable. Not sure I have an answer for it other than treating only when symtomatic.

On the one hand though, if you settled in regularly with a girl, ha ha, then I would perhaps take a simultaneous course.

It was nice meeting up with you and Johnny and others on Friday. Call me when you get back on Wednesday, I should perhaps still be around.

[OldAsiaHand]

Short time to me is 2 to 3 hours with multiple pops - I kinda got the impression that CP girls were keen to exit as soon as the first deed was done - once again - language barrier.

ST in most of S. China BBS is usually defined as one POP. Sauna is normally multiple pops in the allotted time; usually 90-120 minutes, but sometimes you need to remind the girl of her obligations. KTV ST can be longer than BBS with multiple pops if you negotiate it, but one pop if you don't.

Some girls are in a hurry period, regardless of the language barrier. The more time they are on market and the less off market, the more money they can make. Others give you a little more time in the hopes that there is benefit down the road; a tip, repeat business, a recommendation, etc. Sorry to burst egos but, IMHO, very, very few stay around after the deed because they enjoy your company.

An understanding of the mentality of most providers in China is helpful. A BJ is only to get you hard, FS is to get you off, after that, the game is over.

Just my POV.

OAH

[Meiguoguizi]

ST in most of S. China BBS is usually defined as one POP. Sauna is normally multiple pops in the allotted time; usually 90-120 minutes, but sometimes you need to remind the girl of her obligations. KTV ST can be longer than BBS with multiple pops if you negotiate it, but one pop if you don't.

Some girls are in a hurry period, regardless of the language barrier. The more time they are on market and the less off market, the more money they can make. Others give you a little more time in the hopes that there is benefit down the road; a tip, repeat business, a recommendation, etc. Sorry to burst egos but, IMHO, very, very few stay around after the deed because they enjoy your company.

An understanding of the mentality of most providers in China is helpful. A BJ is only to get you hard, FS is to get you off, after that, the game is over.

Just my POV.

OAH

Perhaps this pricing plan explains the motivation behind Taoist sexual techniques, where the man has sex but withholds orgasm for hours, or days, or weeks.
Techniques made famous by the joke told by Nicholson in the movie "Chinatown". For you youngsters who never saw the movie -
"This guy has trouble doing his wife. Goes to the doctor. Doctor says - 'Do what the Chinese do. Screw a little, but before you have an orgasm - stop and meditate, screw a little more - stare at the stars, screw a little more -, sip some tea, screw a little more.....'
The guy goes home but is embarrassed to tell his wife that he went to the doctor. He starts doing his wife. 'Honey, I forgot to let the cat out' goes down stairs and has some tea, heads back to start screwing again.... etc etc etc. After 3 interruptions his wife yells at him -
'dammit, you f*** just like a Chinaman.'"

[El Greco]

Ok, I can see those guys who go to Asia a few times a year, concerned about giving something to the wife, decides it's a good idea to take a few antibiotics right before he goes home. I don't think that is necessarily the right thing to do, but I understand his reason for doing it.

But how about the guys who are living in Asia and are fucking hookers everynight, should they be taking antibiotics on a daily basis? Just a thought. Any opinions?


Those third generation antibiotics of nowtimes are very strong.
If you decide to take them on a daily basis IMHO is like commiting suicide on a daily basis. Not to mention that you will not be able to do the deed on a daily basis.

Stick to your condoms and enjoy your daily sex exercises. If sometime you have a problem only then use antibiotics as necessary.

[El Greco]

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Was in town 4 nights - did 4 girls each day - had some health issues - any of you guys heard of Prostatitis? Nothing serious - just minor affliction that many guys get once or so in their lives - major problem with this - PAINFULL EJACULATION - can you fucking believe that - PAINFULL EJACULATION.



I am not a doctor but I do have some knowledge.

If the pain was not due to some stones coming down from your kidneys and was due to some kind of prostatitis then you've better see a doctor. Antibiotics might be necessary in order to avoid a permanent situation.

Thanks for the report. Helpfull for someone who is planning his first trip there.

[ManonsanBoy]

Xiu Jing is at the entrance of a major golf facility in Da Ping Tangxia. Enticed by a mamasan I knew elsewhere, I visited for first time sunday. Room charge is RMB 38. There are RMB 98 rooms but the 38 room is perfectly acceptable with mirrors everywhere and the bath table. Line ups; up to 5. There are also viewings at some hours in a reverse mirror where all the girls are naked except for their badge!

I must have had an horny one. Girl from Hubei; big tits, chunky in an attractive way and a oval face with a lovely smile. When she bend over to say hello, her barely concealed breasts gave me an instant hard on. She scrubbed me down good. Usual catbath etc (with water), toe sucking.....................and sucked and CIM whilst you are getting cleaned up.

On to bed for a OK massage for 30 minutes. Then she flipped me over for another suck. Since I had viagra already, de de sprang to life. She then presented me her pussy for a 96. After 5 minutes, I flipped her over for DATY and then entered her for a 10 minute all position congress. Finally I pulled out just in time and then she actually sucked my cock.

I am pretty sure she came twice, once DATY and once when she was on top when she grinded me cowgirl and would not stop even when I said I was about to come!

She gets 400 plus another 200 for extra good service.

Mamasan is 13724596591. She does not speak English.

[Bad Boy Billy]

you've better see a doctor. Antibiotics might be necessary in order to avoid a permanent situation.Thanks mate but I have been chewing antibiotics like they were jellly beens for a month now - all cleared up now.

[Old Mean Dog]

Perhaps this pricing plan explains the motivation behind Taoist sexual techniques, where the man has sex but withholds orgasm for hours, or days, or weeks.
Techniques made famous by the joke told by Nicholson in the movie "Chinatown". For you youngsters who never saw the movie -
"This guy has trouble doing his wife. Goes to the doctor. Doctor says - 'Do what the Chinese do. Screw a little, but before you have an orgasm - stop and meditate, screw a little more - stare at the stars, screw a little more -, sip some tea, screw a little more.....'
The guy goes home but is embarrassed to tell his wife that he went to the doctor. He starts doing his wife. 'Honey, I forgot to let the cat out' goes down stairs and has some tea, heads back to start screwing again.... etc etc etc. After 3 interruptions his wife yells at him -
'dammit, you f*** just like a Chinaman.'"

Oh hell, I just fell outta my chair laughing so hard. I need to find that movie and watch it again.

Personally, one pop and I'm done, fuck I hate getting old, and just can't bring myself to becoming a Viagra addict. I often think many guys like to fantasize on ISG about their so called abiliites.

I mean really, who wants to fuck for 2-3 hours, even if you could? Starts to sound more like a chore than pleasure.

-CPE

[Dannycat]

Hi All

Go to the Sheridan in Houjie 1 night a week and need advice on how to find a BBS close by or a place to find a good priced WG If she speaks english it would be a plus. Was there last night and asked for a girl from the sauna to come up 400 for a 1 hour massage and 300 for a HJ plus she was late 30's and not good looking she didn't take anything off either. feel like a rip off.

Thanks for any info

[Superforce99]

It was great to go around CP and see how things are basically the same as always. More hotels than ever,
more girls than ever, and it was full at almost hotel in CP this weekend...no sign of economic crisis here!
Great to see SE Joe, Wadman, Dr Manimal, and a few new guys, too.


Nothing much to add to the BBS information already posted except that there were lots of girls at every BBS
and there were more than a handful of foreigners around CP this weekend looking at the wares without any
problem.

***********

I did end up taking a girl to get a body massage at this place I've seen a couple of times but never tried.
Ended up being an interesting time, to say the least.

It's the massage place right behind the long-distance bus station in CP. There is a Kung-Fu chain restaurant
and it's the place right next to it. There should be a bunch of guys and gals standing at the entrance shouting
"welcome" in Chinese as you enter. Literally shouting their asses off, I was laughing about this with the massage
gals and they said the bosses fine workers who aren't loud enough, ha ha...

So, there is basically foot massage, oily body massage, and sauna available. The female captain looked at me
kind of weird when I request oil massage for both my gal and I. The rooms are clean and comfortable with a huge
queen-size bed. I pushed them to massage my gal and I on the same bed since there was plenty of space.

After a few minutes, two girls showed up for the massage dressed in bra, panty, and see-through nighty...hmmm...

They were both cute and fuckable, but older. I would describe them both as late 20s/early 30s, hot KTV mamasan
type of look. There might be younger girls here, but I didn't ask.

They first asked my girl to strip and she was kind of shy, but eventually I stripped to show her that it would be
OK. So, my girl and I are naked on the bed and the two massage girls are complimenting my girl and I on our bodies,
ha ha...and luckily one girl is eager to massage my girl while the other is eager to massage me.

After a good job on the back, she gets into a position where I am lying on my stomach and she slides her thighs under
my thighs...so my ass is directly pointed at her. She starts a crazy oil massage on my ass, asshole, balls, and cock
and I'm getting pretty turned on now and hoping my gal doesn't see, which she doesn't, since she's in a similar position.

The massage gal gets me to the edge several times and eases off then tells my girl and I to turn around and lie on
our backs. A light sensual massage on the chest and then another thigh-under-thigh position so my cock is right in
front of her face. I was basically waiting for her to start sucking me off, but luckily, she didn't. She said that
she is supposed to strip now and do I want that (I think she was asking out of reference to my gal being in the room...)
and I said "do whatever you normally do" and so she and the other massage gal stripped.

So now it's 4 naked people on the bed and I was waiting for a 4-some to happen, which never did, ofcourse but it
was still a very interesting atmosphere. My gal started giving me a really great oily handjob and I was really at the
brink when she leaned over and whispered into my ear, "Do you want me to finish you?" and I nodded NO. She eased
off (instead of stopping, which was a nice touch) then finished the massage. I thought my girl was asleep the entire
time since she didn't say anything and her eyes looked closed.

The girls watched us both shower and commented that we make a good couple because our bodies were so nice together,
ha ha...they just sat there watching us as we showered, dried ourselves off, and dressed. I was just waiting for the
two girls to leave so I could use the room and fuck my gal but the massage girls said they needed to escort us to
the front desk to pay. So we go downstairs to the front desk and pay. More crazy shouting by various staff and we
paid the fee and went back to the hotel to fuck our brains out.

So, good experience and if you want a nice sensual body massage with HJ (or more?) it is 128 RMB per person, 1 hour,
and right across from the train station/next to the bus station.



SF99


PS. My gal gave me hell later on that night because she saw the oily HJ and was steaming mad but didn't say anything
at the time...or before we fucked...but she did dream of beating up both the massage girls that night, ha ha...

[Transporter]

Just restocked my meds. Purchased bags full of antibiotics for way less than I can get it back home. Just about any pharmacy has what you need.

Porter

[Transporter]

It's the massage place right behind the long-distance bus station in CP. There is a Kung-Fu chain restaurant
and it's the place right next to it. There should be a bunch of guys and gals standing at the entrance shouting
"welcome" in Chinese as you enter. Literally shouting their asses off, I was laughing about this with the massage
gals and they said the bosses fine workers who aren't loud enough, ha ha...



Sounds like Jin di li

[Ryo Saeba]

On a business trip around China with a few colleagues, I spent a couple days in Dongguan. Since it was an unscheduled stop, I hadn’t had a chance to study the ISG like I usually do, and therefore had no info whatsoever. On the first day we arrived at the hotel (Sheraton) around 11pm, dead tired and with little desire to go out, so we decided to grab a bite at the bar inside the lobby. There’s a little stage, and a pinoy band was playing a few covers: one the two girls singing was quite good looking, so when they finished and came to sit down next to our table, I decided it was an occasion not to be missed: I walked over and struck conversation. After a little chitchat I made sure they understood what my intentions were, and they gamely answered they were busy that night, but that we could meet the day after, after their show, and that’s how we parted. But I didn’t keep my promise.

The following day we paid a visit to a potential business partner, and things took a good turn when they told us they would treat us to dinner and later to a KTV. This was very good news, since I never tried a KTV before, and was anxious to.

So the working day came to an end, and after an excellent chinese meal which put everyone in a good mood, they finally took us to have some serious fun.

I’ll admit straight away that I’ve been a poor ISG member, since I didn’t even make a note of the name of that place. I can say it’s a couple minutes ride far from the Sheraton, and that it was a bigger venue than I thought, with the various rooms surrounding a central stage where performers were doing their show: maybe the more experienced Dongguan mongers will know which place I was taken to.

Line-ups started to come in: quite a few girls weren’t worth much, another bunch looked sad, but just as many were gorgeous and smiling teasingly.

The drinking game of choice was dice ( the girls taugh us how to play ), and even though they spoke no English we had a good time. After about one hour my colleagues and I were horny and ready to go. While they selected one girl each, short time, I thought: "What the fuck!, it’s all paid for! So I chose two of them, long time. Before our host left us, I asked him to tell my two companions that I was going to move to Dongguan, hoping they would give better service. I think it worked.

Once back in my hotel room the frolics started.

They began to undress themselves, but I stopped them and showed that I wanted them to undress each other. This request was met with a little shyness by one of the two, and it took me a good 10 minutes to get her to comply. The tall one proved to have the hot body I imagined her to, and the short one was clean shaven.

We showered together, and while they were washing me I started to finger them both: initially they didn’t want to, but I kept smiling and whispering words in their ears, and it must have worked because finally they allowed me to do as I pleased with their pussies.

They dried me thoroughly, and then we moved onto the bed.

They both gave me BBBJs. For my first pop I opted for COF after a doggy session, for the second pop I came fucking the short one against the wall, while the tall one was rubbing herself aginst my back.

Before we turned off the lights I tipped them 100 each, then using a mixture of gestures and drawings on paper, I managed to make them understand that I wanted to be woken up at 7am by one of them sucking me and the other fingering herself close to my face. To tell the truth I was a bit skeptical they could pull it off exactly the way I asked them, but they proved me wrong by executing the desired show to perfection. It was great, and I came in a matter of minutes (CIM)

We all showered together again, and then they finally left, leaving me a happier man.

If I must find a negative note about the whole experience it could be that the girls refused to give me a lesbian show, but either than that, it really was a night to remember.

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[Bad Boy Billy]

Guys some advice if you can.

Recently had my first visit to CP and stayed at Miraton thanks to assistance from OAH.

Miraton was almost perfect for what I wanted - had a great room on 23rd floor - only downside was how hard the bed was - way too hard for me.

You guys with experience at Miraton and Hua Mei - any softer beds at Hua Mei?

[Old Mean Dog]

Guys some advice if you can.

Recently had my first visit to CP and stayed at Miraton thanks to assistance from OAH.

Miraton was almost perfect for what I wanted - had a great room on 23rd floor - only downside was how hard the bed was - way too hard for me.

You guys with experience at Miraton and Hua Mei - any softer beds at Hua Mei?

Best bed in my opinion is at the Lucky Hotel, very big and soft. Not as posh as the other two, but if your just there for pleasure, then give it a try.

-CPE

[Transporter]

I don't really post that often, maybe once or twice a year I jump on the site now a days, but maybe it is not such a good idea to write something like this. For the guys that are not that experienced here, or don't come here often, they might take you serious. Please don't let this joke go on too long, and make sure you make yourself clear later on.

Porter



Best bed in my opinion is at the Lucky Hotel, very big and soft. Not as posh as the other two, but if your just there for pleasure, then give it a try.

-CPE

[Lex Moon]

Best bed in my opinion is at the Lucky Hotel, very big and soft. Not as posh as the other two, but if your just there for pleasure, then give it a try.
-CPE
I agree with CPE that Lucky Hotel bed is big & soft. Just stayed there for a few days in their Honeymoon room. It even has a steam & jacuzzi bath tub. Although the tub is not 100% clean like the "5" stars, the steam was OK.

Very easy to get girls here. I met a mamasan and told her that my requirements for petite girls. The 1st night I chosed one from the van. After that, I just called her for to ask her to recommend new arrivals. 2nd time she brought a young one from Hubei which was very playful. Initially she was very shy but after some warming up, she actually had fun and enjoyed sex. Had a first shot for fee and 2nd shot for allowing her to play QQ on my computer. She was actually playing QQ naked which was fun to watch.
Since the mama knows what I liked, she brought another new comer "a factory girl". She has no make-up and dress very basic. In the room, she was very shy and asked me to turn around when she striped. I complied and then guided her to the shower. She was really fresh bec I told that I need to wash this and that to make sure both of us are very clean. Basically, I finger f----- her until she almost came during the wash. After that we went to bed and she refused to do BJ. I told her that the mama asked me to train her and she complied again. She was very fresh as she didn't really know how to do it but willing to learn. She followed all my instructions and did exactly what I told her. I asked her if she have tried DATY and of course, the answer was NO. So I proceeded to DATY and she was trying to struggle away but lost bec the feeling was probably too good. Finally she came and told me that she had never trembled before. I then asked her to mount me and controlled her movement. Her expression was priceless bec she was totally under my control and couldn't resist. We changed a few positions and finally got her to come again. She tried to collapse but picked her up for the final doggie.
Her body was completely limp and sweating. Finally, I came and she collapsed flat onto the soft bed. Let rest for almost 1/2 hr and chatted with her. She told me that she only had sex with her boyfriend before, and this is her 1st day of work as a WG. She asked me if everyone wants it like this, she will not be able to work here long bec she was so tired after only 1 client.
I told her not to worry bec if she can develop better BJ, the guys will not be able to last so long. Well, she listened and tried to learn more skills on my limp little fellow. She continued until I finally shot which I didn't warned her. She almost choked and started spitting non-stop onto the trash can. After that she ran to the washroom and tried to rinse everything off. She later asked me if this is normal. I told her that this depends on the guys. Overall, I believe it is really possible to find fresh factory girls in CP now if you don't mind the way they dress. If you don't mind to be trainers, these girls can be more fun than the KTV girls.

I did a few KTV girls too this time but nothing special to write about. Just multiple pops on them per night. None of them needed training and did CIM.

[OldAsiaHand]

Overall, I believe it is really possible to find fresh factory girls in CP now if you don't mind the way they dress. If you don't mind to be trainers, these girls can be more fun than the KTV girls.

There are quite a few factory girls that come over to CP to earn extra money in the BBS on weekends. I've done a few with similar experiences to yours. On the other hand, it can also be a scam if the girl has the fresh "factory" look about her when in fact she has been working in a BBS in Houjie for a couple of years and just "newly arrived" in CP. The mamas will position girls based on market demand and consumer preference.

Veteran mongers should be able to distiguish the difference.

Just my POV.

OAH

[Old Mean Dog]

I don't really post that often, maybe once or twice a year I jump on the site now a days, but maybe it is not such a good idea to write something like this. For the guys that are not that experienced here, or don't come here often, they might take you serious. Please don't let this joke go on too long, and make sure you make yourself clear later on.

Porter

Well, I guess to each his own.

Personally, when I go to CP, I don't need a computer, but some of the rooms do have hookup. I see no need in paying more to stay at the other two, since I am there for sexual fun. If I want the breakfast at the Miraton, I can buy it myself and/or get the spare coupon from a buddy staying there. No walk of shame like at the other two and best of all, you can do lineups in the hallways.

Besides having a big, soft bed, it's the best value for the money, so while you spend the extra on the Miraton, I will use the savings for another girl.

-CPE

[Transporter]

Well, I guess to each his own.
-CPE

Well I guess you are right with that.

I haven't stayed at hao yuen for at least a year now, so maybe the beds are different there now.
Maybe about 3 or 4 years ago, I started staying at hao yuen exclusively for 4 reasons. First, the location was ideal. Second, no foreigners there. Third, the restaurant on the second floor had the best breakfast/rmb. And last, the beds were the firmest in CP (I love a firm bed, I really love a firm bed). I've stopped using that hotel now because reason number 2 & 3 has since changed.

Porter

[Cdnlapcheong]

Anyone ever bought any blue pills in CP? If so, where? Are they safe? I know they are generic and have seen them advertise in various pharmacy. Just wondering if any of you have bought some in the past and if they work.

Heading to CP around the 9th to 11th Nov. Anyone going to be in CP around that time? Love to hook up with some of you fine horny gents there. I usually go once every 6 weeks and stay at HH, HM, M or V.

Cheers

[Playboy2000]

Superforce, Very nice report. I find myself enjoying a good tease more than the actual screweing these days. It sounds like you found a great spot for an afternoon tease in CP. Can anyone else recommend spots where you can get a massage by a cute naked girl for under 150RMB in CP?




It's the massage place right behind the long-distance bus station in CP. There is a Kung-Fu chain restaurant
and it's the place right next to it. There should be a bunch of guys and gals standing at the entrance shouting
"welcome" in Chinese as you enter. Literally shouting their asses off, I was laughing about this with the massage
gals and they said the bosses fine workers who aren't loud enough, ha ha...

So, there is basically foot massage, oily body massage, and sauna available. The female captain looked at me
kind of weird when I request oil massage for both my gal and I. The rooms are clean and comfortable with a huge
queen-size bed. I pushed them to massage my gal and I on the same bed since there was plenty of space.

After a few minutes, two girls showed up for the massage dressed in bra, panty, and see-through nighty...hmmm...

They were both cute and fuckable, but older. I would describe them both as late 20s/early 30s, hot KTV mamasan
type of look. There might be younger girls here, but I didn't ask.

They first asked my girl to strip and she was kind of shy, but eventually I stripped to show her that it would be
OK. So, my girl and I are naked on the bed and the two massage girls are complimenting my girl and I on our bodies,
ha ha...and luckily one girl is eager to massage my girl while the other is eager to massage me.

After a good job on the back, she gets into a position where I am lying on my stomach and she slides her thighs under
my thighs...so my ass is directly pointed at her. She starts a crazy oil massage on my ass, asshole, balls, and cock
and I'm getting pretty turned on now and hoping my gal doesn't see, which she doesn't, since she's in a similar position.

The massage gal gets me to the edge several times and eases off then tells my girl and I to turn around and lie on
our backs. A light sensual massage on the chest and then another thigh-under-thigh position so my cock is right in
front of her face. I was basically waiting for her to start sucking me off, but luckily, she didn't. She said that
she is supposed to strip now and do I want that (I think she was asking out of reference to my gal being in the room...)
and I said "do whatever you normally do" and so she and the other massage gal stripped.

So now it's 4 naked people on the bed and I was waiting for a 4-some to happen, which never did, ofcourse but it
was still a very interesting atmosphere. My gal started giving me a really great oily handjob and I was really at the
brink when she leaned over and whispered into my ear, "Do you want me to finish you?" and I nodded NO. She eased
off (instead of stopping, which was a nice touch) then finished the massage. I thought my girl was asleep the entire
time since she didn't say anything and her eyes looked closed.

The girls watched us both shower and commented that we make a good couple because our bodies were so nice together,
ha ha...they just sat there watching us as we showered, dried ourselves off, and dressed. I was just waiting for the
two girls to leave so I could use the room and fuck my gal but the massage girls said they needed to escort us to
the front desk to pay. So we go downstairs to the front desk and pay. More crazy shouting by various staff and we
paid the fee and went back to the hotel to fuck our brains out.

So, good experience and if you want a nice sensual body massage with HJ (or more?) it is 128 RMB per person, 1 hour,
and right across from the train station/next to the bus station.



SF99


PS. My gal gave me hell later on that night because she saw the oily HJ and was steaming mad but didn't say anything
at the time...or before we fucked...but she did dream of beating up both the massage girls that night, ha ha...

[Old Mean Dog]

Anyone ever bought any blue pills in CP? If so, where? Are they safe? I know they are generic and have seen them advertise in various pharmacy. Just wondering if any of you have bought some in the past and if they work.

Heading to CP around the 9th to 11th Nov. Anyone going to be in CP around that time? Love to hook up with some of you fine horny gents there. I usually go once every 6 weeks and stay at HH, HM, M or V.

Cheers

Go to a reputable drugstore in CP and buy rather than off one of the quickie marts.

-CPE

[Cdnlapcheong]

Go to a reputable drugstore in CP and buy rather than off one of the quickie marts.

-CPEThx CPE but is there such a thing as a reputable drugstore? The ones I have been to for cough syrups tend to have several counter girls in white doctor's gown but they are merely sales ladies. How about the one opposite the Hui Mei? Same side as the 7-11? Is that what you mean by a reputable drugstore?

Also, what does the pills go for these days? Assuming they are the generic kinds. What are the call in Mandarin?

Thx for you help!

[Moody]

This place is a bit out there....

I went to a foot massage place in Wangniudun at the Yuehao Hotel. It's one of the bigger hotels in town so if you hop in a cab and say "yuehao jiudian" I'm sure he'll get you there.

Anyway, they have a sauna and a foot massage. I didn't really have enough time for the sauna because I had to go somewhere afterwards, so went to the foot massage. Foot massage comes with a handjob, 78RMB. The thing I found was a bit unusual about this place was that the TV had Japanese porn playing on it.

Unlike certain members of this board, I'm not going to say the girl had a half dozen orgasms while jerking me off. I'm not going to say she fell in love with me because of my awesome looks. I'm not gonna say that Chinese people have really great attitudes because she was smiling while she gave me a handjob. I'm not gonna say that Chinese people must all be honest because she gave me the correct change. I'm not gonna say I know a lot of high up government people who want to invite a bunch of foot massage girls to see if they can get into their panties. And finally, I'm definitely not going to say that I was prepared to kick 4 guys in the balls if I got into an altercation.

That's my story, and I'm gonna stick by it.

-M

[Moody]

You guys with experience at Miraton and Hua Mei - any softer beds at Hua Mei?

Hua Mei or Hui Mei? Hui Mei is the self professed 4 star hotel about a block from the Miraton. Hua Mei is a bit out of the way and more like a motel, it's only 5 floors high.

Anyway, Hui Mei beds are about medium hard for the most part. I vaguely remember the Hua Mei beds being kind of soft, but it was a couple years ago when I was there and I stayed there only once.

[Moody]

Hi All

Go to the Sheridan in Houjie 1 night a week and need advice on how to find a BBS close by or a place to find a good priced WG If she speaks english it would be a plus. Was there last night and asked for a girl from the sauna to come up 400 for a 1 hour massage and 300 for a HJ plus she was late 30's and not good looking she didn't take anything off either. feel like a rip off.

Thanks for any info

Man, it cracks me up how the massage girls can get away with that crap.... I presume by "Sheridan" you mean "Sheraton." Here's advice for just about anywhere you go in China. Ask the bell boy which floor the sauna is at. At the Sheraton, it's in the basement, -1 floor. Take the elevator there and go left. Cost is variable depending on the girl you pick, but base price is 400+300, and it's as high as 800+300, and you would've gotten a helluva lot more than a handjob.

[Bad Boy Billy]

Hui Mei is the self professed 4 star hotel about a block from the Miraton.Yes my mistake - the Hui Mei.

OAH I think indicated quite a few frequent visitors stay in this hotel.

Miraton was perfect for me except for 2 things:

1. The bed was like a morgue slab.

2. I could not find out their 'outgoing mail server' so I could not change my email settings to receive work related emails.

The 'assistant manager' really did me a couple of big favours so will prolly stick with them next visit - will just get them to work on the bed.

General question guys - am heading back Jan 18 for a few days - I have 2 afro American mates who want to join me - but info I have received is that there may be a significant 'fear factor' amongst the girls.

Anybody with any experience here?

[BossLove72]

I have 2 afro American mates who want to join me - but info I have received is that there may be a significant 'fear factor' amongst the girls.

Anybody with any experience here?There can be, so have your friends ready for some quick rejection. There are some who will not want to the moment they see your friends. However there are some who will jump at the chance. It's just a crap shoot. So good luck to you and your buddies, overall you and they will have fun, as long as they aren't assholes.

[Raverboy]

A question for the seasoned travellers:

Making my way to Changan from Macau Airport and am thinking the Ferry from Macau Ferry Terminal to Shenzhen's Fuyong Ferry Terminal by the airport, then cab to be the best way, since its just up the Guangshen highway. Has anybody done this route and know the appropriate fare for the cab ride?

[Transporter]

If I am still here, just contact me, and I will take you to get whatever vitamins you need.


Thx CPE but is there such a thing as a reputable drugstore? The ones I have been to for cough syrups tend to have several counter girls in white doctor's gown but they are merely sales ladies. How about the one opposite the Hui Mei? Same side as the 7-11? Is that what you mean by a reputable drugstore?

Also, what does the pills go for these days? Assuming they are the generic kinds. What are the call in Mandarin?

Thx for you help!

[Moody]

Yes my mistake - the Hui Mei.

OAH I think indicated quite a few frequent visitors stay in this hotel.

Miraton was perfect for me except for 2 things:

1. The bed was like a morgue slab.

2. I could not find out their 'outgoing mail server' so I could not change my email settings to receive work related emails.

The 'assistant manager' really did me a couple of big favours so will prolly stick with them next visit - will just get them to work on the bed.

General question guys - am heading back Jan 18 for a few days - I have 2 afro American mates who want to join me - but info I have received is that there may be a significant 'fear factor' amongst the girls.

Anybody with any experience here?

You might want to consider the Hui Hua next door to the Miraton too. I believe they have less restrictive internet service. The beds there are about medium hardness too. Price is comparable to the Miraton. Hui Mei is considerably cheaper than either Miraton or Hui Hua.

As for black guys in CP..... Hate to say it, but they're probably gonna be out of luck. Most of the girls in CP are barely more than dressed up farm girls and doing a black guy is probably out of the realm of experiences for them. That's not to say it's impossible, just unlikely. They'll have better luck in Hong Kong.

[Lex Moon]

As for black guys in CP..... Hate to say it, but they're probably gonna be out of luck.

It is true that most WG will be afraid of black guys. Some are even afraid of Laowai bec they think all foreigners esp black have much bigger tool. However, it is possible to get one by going to JiaYi KTV. Ask the mamas there to recommend "wild" girls that are not afraid. There are about 700-1000 girls to chose from in JiaYi. Make sure your friends don't get petite ones bec their p**** are shallow and probably cannot take them.

However, anything is possible in DG. Just need to find the right mama and they will find you the right match.

[Weelock]

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General question guys - am heading back Jan 18 for a few days - I have 2 afro American mates who want to join me - but info I have received is that there may be a significant 'fear factor' amongst the girls.

Anybody with any experience here?

Sorry to tell you, in my opinion there is an extreme possibility you will see fear in their eyes if picked by your black friends. Your friends will either get poor service or NO service. Suggest you read some posts by member "Clandestine782" and "BossLove72", in Discrimination against Foreigners in China Thread. "Clandstine782" is black. I think "BossLove72" is black also. After reading, you will get a stronger sense about the feeling about blacks in China. Your black friends will have better luck for girls in the Philippines.

Well, things might change after the Chinese see the USA getting a first Black president, well half black.


Note:

I have been telling people this for a long time. If you want to return back to China learn some Chinese. If you are just visiting a few times forget about learning Chinese.

[Bad Boy Billy]

Your black friends will have better luck for girls in the Philippines.Indeed one these guys lives in Angeles City in Phils and the other visits there maybe 5 or 6 times each year.

They have seen my pics and loved the lean hard young bodies - but if it's a 'no go' it's a 'no go'.


If you want return back to China learn some Chinese. If you are just visiting once or twice forget about learning Chinese.Once again you are correct - I have been doing business in China for 10 years - 6 to 10 visits every year - but I speak no more trhan 10 words of Chinese - have always done business with english speaking trading partners so Chinese not absolutely necessary.

For 'girlie' activities I also visit Indonesia, Phillipines, Brazil, Dominican Republic etc - I do not have the time to learn 10 different languages.

[Bad Boy Billy]

Guys I have been smitten by your 'playground'.

In years gone by my of my visits to China have included 2 or 3 nights in Beijing to enjoy the 'blondies' from Hollywood and the Mongols from Maggies - alas both are now out of commission so Changping looks to be the replacement.

Hence all the questions.

OAH introduced me to Mitos which was fantastic - any other restaurants in Changping serving half way decent western food?

Any half way decent Beijing Duck restaurants in Changping?

[Weelock]

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They have seen my pics and loved the lean hard young bodies - but if it's a 'no go' it's a 'no go'.
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I'm not saying it's a NO go. It is possible with but with problems. I don't want to get into it since it's a sensitive subject. Read some posts by "Clandestine782" and you get an idea of his frustrations ( problems ) in China. I'm sorry it's probably not you want to hear.

I have heard blacks are considered like gods in Philippines. I know many Filipino girls marry blacks to come over the the USA or Canada. It's different in China.

For language, if someone didn't show members around, it be very very frustrating getting around. It was frustrating for me the first time, very few speak English in China to communicate effectively. Learning the local language will help if you planning to be in the country a while. Yes, it is not required but it's helps with communication with people.

For food, Southern Chinese food is much better than the north.

[Dannycat]

Man, it cracks me up how the massage girls can get away with that crap.... I presume by "Sheridan" you mean "Sheraton." Here's advice for just about anywhere you go in China. Ask the bell boy which floor the sauna is at. At the Sheraton, it's in the basement, -1 floor. Take the elevator there and go left. Cost is variable depending on the girl you pick, but base price is 400+300, and it's as high as 800+300, and you would've gotten a helluva lot more than a handjob.Thanks Moody,

I went to the sauna floor -1 and asked the manager to send a girl to my room. He said 400 then the girl (lady) showed up gave a massage then said it would be 300 more for the HJ. But I learned my lesson going there Sunday night and will walk around the area and hope to find something. I try to go there every Sunday night. Any suggestions on where to look would be greatly appeciated.

Thanks

[Bad Boy Billy]

I'm not saying it's a NO go. It is possible with but with problems.I fully understand mate - and they will fully understand also - one of these guys spends 60% of his life flying from country to country sampling the 'local produce'. They are intelligent succesful businessmen - just that neither has ever been to China and they thought they might join me next trip - they saw the pics - RMB200 had them drooling.

For language, if someone didn't show members around, it be very very frustrating getting around.Fully understand - I was lucky to have OAH show me the ropes.
For food, Southern Chinese food is much better than the north.In general maybe - but would still like to know if any other western restaurants other than Mitos and if there are any Beijing Duck type restaurants in CP.

Thanks for you input Weelock.

[Fast Eddie 48]

Guys I have been smitten by your 'playground'.

In years gone by my of my visits to China have included 2 or 3 nights in Beijing to enjoy the 'blondies' from Hollywood and the Mongols from Maggies - alas both are now out of commission so Changping looks to be the replacement.

Hence all the questions.

OAH introduced me to Mitos which was fantastic - any other restaurants in Changping serving half way decent western food?

Any half way decent Beijing Duck restaurants in Changping?





to bad boy billy





Mito is not that good I think you've been in China too damn long,The steak there is lousy low quality beef,The pasta sucks It tastes like from the can.

There is no place like Bejing for Peking Duck,There is a halfway decent Peking Duck resturant in Dongguan City called Tang,It's a large chain with one in Bejing Nikko hotel.




Fast eddie 48

[Santa]

Someone just paid a late 30s hooker 400+300 for a massagee and handjob? And wants to know if that was a rip-off? Really? Wow! Shit happens!

I met a black guy from HongKong in CP. Nice guy, not bad looking and not big. He was very disappointed with CP. In every shop, most of the girls would not go with him.

[Wadman]

In general maybe - but would still like to know if any other western restaurants other than Mitos and if there are any Beijing Duck type restaurants in CP.


BBB, personally I don't think much of the food at Mitos, especially their western choices. Shows you how opinions differ. But anyway, if you are looking for more places in CP that serve western food:

1. Bistro cafe - right beside Miraton, on the side where 7-11 is.
2. LA Bar and restaurant - across the street from Miraton, on the 2nd level. Look for the (neon) signs.
3. Happy restaurant - across the street from HuiMei hotel. Frankly, I think the food here is not just bad, it's terrible (but hey, it's western food).
4. Boton restaurant - go to end of the main street. You will pass HuiMei, Lucky, PP, Lion in that order. At the end, turn RIGHT, walk about 500 meters. It's opposite a McDonald's. My personal fave.
5. Cafe de Corral - not really western, but not China-Chinese either. It's HK - HK/Western food. Go to end of the main street. You will pass HuiMei, Lucky, PP, Lion in that order. At the end, turn LEFT, walk about 100 meters. It's on the left side of the road.
6. There is a decent Japanese restaurant - midway on main street, turn left (right between Virgin and HuiMei). Walk about 500 meters, it's on the righthand side. Sorry, can't remember the name of the place, but by CP standards it's pretty good.

[OldAsiaHand]

General question guys - am heading back Jan 18 for a few days - I have 2 afro American mates who want to join me - but info I have received is that there may be a significant 'fear factor' amongst the girls.

Anybody with any experience here?

BBB,

We mongered one time with Woodway from the USA in CP. Not only is he black, but he is a pretty big guy too. We took him on the chicken run in Yalan and although he did not get his pick of the litter, he did find enough eager/curious takers to service him. On the other hand, his approach and personality (laid back) worked to his advantage. The girls did not seem to be afraid of him.

As has been noted here, even laowais like myself get a lot of rejection. I have posted my estimates of percentages by venue in the past. There is one girl in the BBS behind Yalan Hotel that runs and hides the moment I come through the door and SEAJ's girl with the glasses in Baby's shop said she would only do me for US$2,000 yesterday.

Just my POV.

OAH

[OldAsiaHand]

I made the mistake of pulling a couple of "reputed" sisters from the shop across from where the 5th floor shop used to be (moved downstairs). They were dressed as identical twins but one was a year older than the other. As usual, the mama promised the moon; lesbian show guaranteed. I asked about BBBJ and the mama confirmed that the older one was OK with it, but the younger one not. Thinking I would get the older one to warm me up and stick it in the younger one, I went for it. Package discount at 150 RMB to the mama.

Back in the room, I realized I was in trouble. A quick shower and a few strokes on my didi and they wanted to cap it. I asked about the BBBJ and they refused. They completely forgot about the lesbian show. Older sister called the mama who tried to convince her but she would not budge, even a CBJ was out of the question. Needless to say, I threw them out.

I went back to the BBS for a refund from the mama. As we walked in, another laowai was buying the same sister package. I felt sorry for him, but did not want to say anything and cause trouble. The mama walked out with the laowai and the sisters to protect her revenue and did not return for a few minutes. I went outside to find her and she reluctantly gave me my refund after confirming that I would not consider another girl from her.

OAH

[Calvin Hobbs]

A question for the seasoned travellers:

Making my way to Changan from Macau Airport and am thinking the Ferry from Macau Ferry Terminal to Shenzhen's Fuyong Ferry Terminal by the airport, then cab to be the best way, since its just up the Guangshen highway. Has anybody done this route and know the appropriate fare for the cab ride?I take this route all the time. Cab will ask 200RMB but you should get 150 to 175RMB. Where do you stay in Changan? I use Parkview.

[Fast Eddie 48]

BBB,

We mongered one time with Woodway from the USA in CP. Not only is he black, but he is a pretty big guy too. We took him on the chicken run in Yalan and although he did not get his pick of the litter, he did find enough eager/curious takers to service him. On the other hand, his approach and personality (laid back) worked to his advantage. The girls did not seem to be afraid of him.

As has been noted here, even laowais like myself get a lot of rejection. I have posted my estimates of percentages by venue in the past. There is one girl in the BBS behind Yalan Hotel that runs and hides the moment I come through the door and SEAJ's girl with the glasses in Baby's shop said she would only do me for US$2,000 yesterday.

Just my POV.

OAHOAH,

I agree baby shop is best bet for big Laowei or black guys ,girl there is more open and less attuide than girl in Swan lake or Hui mei area, damn I glad I am chinese I do all the rejections.

Fast eddie 48

[Moody]

Thanks Moody,

I went to the sauna floor -1 and asked the manager to send a girl to my room. He said 400 then the girl (lady) showed up gave a massage then said it would be 300 more for the HJ. But I learned my lesson going there Sunday night and will walk around the area and hope to find something. I try to go there every Sunday night. Any suggestions on where to look would be greatly appeciated.

Thanks

Once you're at the -1 floor, you have to go LEFT. If you go RIGHT, you end up at the spa. I'm not sure if you can have girls sent to your room from the naughty sauna. Regardless you may as well just use their room, they're gonna charge you for it anyway.

-M

[Moody]

Once again you are correct - I have been doing business in China for 10 years - 6 to 10 visits every year - but I speak no more trhan 10 words of Chinese - have always done business with english speaking trading partners so Chinese not absolutely necessary.

You don't need to learn much. Just a few words for the names of the places so you can tell the cab driver where to take you. After that, you can use stuff like hand signals or pictograms to express yourself.

[Yoni61]

Spent 5 days in Xiapai (think that is the correct spelling). Client owns a hotel there where his US college educated son manages. Got the tour of Dongguan from the young man. Aweful place for anything but mongering. But the sauna places are something else. Quality is not Macau but not Macau prices either.

The routine is the same but each place adds a twist. (the girls all are taught by the on premises trainer) Upon entrance you are led to a room and you give an idea of your preference and price point. Certain girls are priced at 300 rmb others 400 and top of the line is 500. According my guide, who subleases a sauna next to his hotel, the girls set their prices with the laws of supply and demand in mind. Price often is not relative to quality but often just height. The house adds 150 rmb to the fee for the room.

The price gets you two hours unlimited pops. The action starts with the girl preparing the wet message and instructing you to wait in the steam room. You first go stomach down and the girl soaps you up and down with special attention to the asshole. After the rinse she uses toothpaste and some type of menthol in the anal area and proceeds to give a deep rimming. She then fipls you over and gives a blow job. CIM ok.

Out of the shower room and into the bedroom, the routine continues with additional ass rimming. Then onto the fire and ice BJ. The rubber ball is then brought in for some plain old fucking. After 2 hours you pay up and go.

The routine is almost the same at each place with minor changes. (One girl had mutual asshole fingering which I enjoy but not might be every ones cup of tea)

Frankly it was a blast but got old after a week and Dongguan is the pits for anything else but whoring.

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[Freepeaks]

Happy Together - I've gotten sick from the food twice there, not good. food is lousy and overpriced, and service is slow (it took 80 minutes for one entree one of the times) - the sickness was probably from the Ice coffee though avoid ice here.

Mito - good average food. Yes their pasta tastes like Chef Boyardee, but its China people. their afternoon special is a good value (Santa introduced me to that).

There is a Dumpling restaurant ont he corner across from Miraton that
is pretty good.

There is a Korean bbq down the street aways away from the main restaurants that is good.

The Chinese restaurants (no english menus) seem to have the best food for value but ordering can be tough there (or take a translator girl with you for dinner).

The breakfast at HuiHua (included in room price) is excellent.

There is a rotating restaurant on top of one bldg I went to with a girl, food is dreadful (as all rotating restaurants are) , but they have a brunch there and the view is pretty interesting. Food is not really that expensive similar to Mitos.

Lastly - the Chinese restaurant (i think it is Sichuan) across from Miraton on the second floor is good, clean, and delicious. I consider it more expensive than Mito's - always order 4 dishes and only need 2 though.

[Weelock]

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As has been noted here, even laowais like myself get a lot of rejection. I have posted my estimates of percentages by venue in the past. There is one girl in the BBS behind Yalan Hotel that runs and hides the moment I come through the door and SEAJ's girl with the glasses in Baby's shop said she would only do me for US$2,000 yesterday.


BBB:

The rejection rate for blacks is even higher than Lawais ( Caucasians ). What type of girls that might say YES, are usually less pretty, less desirable or older. These type of girls are not picked as much. They make less money and might go. It will seem like your black friends have to pick the UGLIEST girls in order to go with them. ( HEE, HEE JOKE :) ).

I am just generalizing. Your blacks friends might find girls very pretty and happy to go with them. But in my opinion, and like "Santa" said, there is a higher chance your friends will be very disappointed with China. Again this is a sensitive subject. Your friends should read some of the posts by "Clandestine782" in the Discrimination Thread. Overall, I am sorry like others to tell you this.

Since your friends never been to China and want to come, if they like different culture, history, and different food, it's fine come over, but don't expect much from working girls.



Just IMHO

[Shazzam]

Hey fellas,

Just had a trip to Qingxi Town in Dongguan, about 45mins through Shenzhen. Always stay at Grand Howard Hotel where your choice is between KTV on 2/3 floors or go straight to level 5 for 'special massage".

Spend two nights on level 5. They grade the girls by height. "A" grade for tall 818rmb all inclusive and "B" grade for shorter girls, who are cheaper at 600rmb all inclusive. It's a 2 hour stay in one of the special hotel rooms on this floor. You get a soapy shower before doing whatever the girl is open to. The first night I went with #007 and she was only 19yrs old and had sensational natural tits. great to play with. She allowed DATY but for like 30 seconds which was disappointing. CBJ, then sex in multi positions ending with a large spray over those tits.

next night i stayed with a real cutie who had curly hair and a great 5'2" firm body. She gave a wonderful BBBJ for 10-15 mins. Awesome, but can't remember her number.

If you go to the karaoke girls, always ask the mamasan for ones who speak some English otherwise it's a long night. I took one back to my room who was terrible in all ways. I gave her the money and told her to get out of the room. The hotel is always good value though and the quality this trip was much better.

[Bad Boy Billy]

Since your friends never been to China and want to come, if they like different culture, history, and different food, it's fine come over, but don't expect much from working girls. No thats cool - these guys as I said are very intelligent - they will fully understand.

Interesting point about afro-Americans - the Mongolians in Beijing also are very wary.

Was a very famous case in UB some 12 years ago where an African guy infected his wife AND girlfriend with aids - ask virtually ANY Mongolian girl today will they go with a black guy and 100% the answer will be NO.

[Raverboy]

I take this route all the time. Cab will ask 200RMB but you should get 150 to 175RMB. Where do you stay in Changan? I use Parkview.

This is my first visit (CP and CA virgin here) and there's a bunch of old hands organizing it. How is the Parkview?

[OldAsiaHand]

Lastly - the Chinese restaurant (i think it is Sichuan) across from Miraton on the second floor is good, clean, and delicious. I consider it more expensive than Mito's - always order 4 dishes and only need 2 though.

Freepeaks,

The food was mainly Hunan when I was last there, although they did have a few standard Sichuan dishes on the menu. I used to go there a lot until we found the other Hunan restaurant. I can't remember the name but it is about 100 meters down the road next to the Virgin Hotel and turn left. This place is of equal quality, similar menu, but much cheaper. Does anybody remember the name?

OAH

[OldAsiaHand]

This is my first visit (CP and CA virgin here) and there's a bunch of old hands organizing it. How is the Parkview?

Raverboy,

It is by far the best hotel in CA. If money is no object, great place to stay. Recently tried the sauna which was expensive but very good.

Just my POV.

OAH

[Freepeaks]

Yeah it is a Hunan restaurant, anyway it is a nice place and the food is good (and safe). I agree it is a bit expensive but if you don't speak chinese it is an easy place to go and they have a nice view of the street.

I'll have to check out the other restaurant next time. OAH I'll buy the beer if you show me the place.

Regarding BBB's friends, if he is in the Phillipines, he will be spoiled i think they are all size queens there... If they know that they will likely hear 'tai da' from every girl and are prepared for it then by all mean go. In Shenzhen I think you'd get better response (more circulation of foreigners) but same issue.

They should definitely pick taller girls and perhaps not the thin ones (based on experience) to avoid this (also avoid the 'new' ones). Mommies could definitely help in the mix, you may want to stick to one mommie so that she can 'coach' the girls for you.

[Calvin Hobbs]

Raverboy,

It is by far the best hotel in CA. If money is no object, great place to stay. Recently tried the sauna which was expensive but very good.

Just my POV.

OAHHey Raverboy,

I just started using Parkview after staying ay Hiayatt for sometime. Parkview is great if you are the companies tab. Tell me more about sauna. Also, I haven't found much action in area although I see lots of honeys around Wal-Mart. But it is mostly my fault as I don't explore much. I kinda need specific directions.

[Banana888]

Visited CP for the first time on Thursday; OAH and SE A Joe invited me so I jumped at the chance. Both had visited Zhuhai for a day, which is where I met them, as well as Go Joe. Stayed at the Swan Lake hotel where SE A Joe had kindly booked a room for me prior to us getting there. First thing they did for me was to give me the nickel tour aka The Chicken Run of the BBS. When I walked into the place next to the Swan Lake hotel I was overwhelmed – literally stunned. As OAH later said to SEA Joe, “did you see his face when he first walked in?”. I must have been like a pot smoker on his first jaunt to Amsterdam, walking around with my tongue dragging behind me. Those mamasans – talk about hard sell! The BBS after that were not as numerous in terms of girls but still worth the shoe leather walking around. We all eventually made choices and at various shops and did ST’s back at the hotel. Bumped into CPExpat during dinner but unfortunately he couldn’t join us for our KTV session in the evening. KTV was fun with each of taking 2 girls. Had a hard time choosing which girl to take back – even resorting to asking SE A Joes and OAH’s advice; both of whom gave me different answers. So I flipped a coin. The girl I did eventually opted for wasn’t great, I’ve had worse lays but I was somewhat disappointed.
OAH had to leave the next day so SE A Joe and I just chilled out during the day. No idea what happened to Go Joe – he just disappeared. Met up with Transporter later on and decided to hit Swan Lake KTV again that evening as we had enough numbers with SE A Joes friend on the way to join us. Before going to Swan Lake, SE A Joe took me to another KTV so I could see the set up there. I forget the name but won’t forget what I saw. Now Swan Lake KTV/BBS was quite an eye opener for me – well my experience here was the same but tenfold! There must have been close to four figures in the girl count. I like it to a celebrity walking down the red carpet – dozens of hands grabbing at you wanting attention. As OAH said to me, “You ain’t mongered in China till you’ve to CP”. Definitely a rite of passage for China punting. Back at Swan Lake, we all took 2 girls again. The cutie I wanted to take back to the hotel made some shitty excuse about having to go somewhere so I was stuck with my back up girl. Unfortunate for me as she was dud in the sack. Ah well – I had a good time at the KTV anyway.
I had originally planned on going back to ZH for the air show but decided on another night of CP madness. Back at Swan Lake yet again for the 3rd night and who can blame us? Its value at 1-3-6 and there are definitely some gems to be discovered in terms of girls. Another ISG member was joining us this night with Transporter maybe showing his face later. As my luck with a 2 girl tactic wasn’t happening, I decided on one girl this time. Turned out to be good choice this time round; the girl was great fun in the KTV room and a good performer back at my hotel room. I was tempted to do LT with her but decided on taking her number instead.
I’ll finish by expressing my thanks to SE A Joe & OAH for taking me to and showing me CP.
B888

[Bad Boy Billy]

Before going to Swan Lake, SE A Joe took me to another KTV so I could see the set up there. I forget the name but won’t forget what I saw. Now Swan Lake KTV/BBS was quite an eye opener for me – well my experience here was the same but tenfold! There must have been close to four figures in the girl count. I like it to a celebrity walking down the red carpet – dozens of hands grabbing at you wanting attention.
B888Amazing isn't it - OAH also took me there - I could not believe it.

I took a girl ST first night but pricing was way too complicated for a simpleton like me.

Went back following 3 nights on my own just to re-live that experience.

[Member #4247]

[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]I was on a flight to Singapore last year and overheard some guys in the row in front of me talking about the mongering expedition they were just on in China.

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Singaporeans are the most popular in S. China especially Zhuhai, Donggguan, Shenzhen unlike the cheapskate Malaysians, ah-beng Taiwan-kia, showoff Hongkies, stingy Macaunese, rough mainlanders and those down-right rootless ABCs, CBCs etc

I am very welcome in Zhuhai, In fact the massage chicks, LHL stall mei mei, restaurant managers, salesgirls, shampoo girls all love me - James Chong aka 安仔, the top-earning property consultant from Singapore.

[Le Baron]

Hello all,

I am staying in Changan since 2 months ago, but I know no one here. And I don't find much info on Changan through the search forum function.Of course I have company colleagues, but they are all office-dormitory style people.

1. I wonder if any of ISG member is living in Changan.
2. Can you tell me some nice places to go in Changan when I feel the need to release. My friends in SZ told me that they heard Changan is a very good place for mongering, but where I live, I don't see anything.

For those who know the layout of Changan, I live near Walmart.

Thank you.

[Calvin Hobbs]

Hello all,

I am staying in Changan since 2 months ago, but I know no one here. And I don't find much info on Changan through the search forum function.Of course I have company colleagues, but they are all office-dormitory style people.

1. I wonder if any of ISG member is living in Changan.
2. Can you tell me some nice places to go in Changan when I feel the need to release. My friends in SZ told me that they heard Changan is a very good place for mongering, but where I live, I don't see anything.

For those who know the layout of Changan, I live near Walmart.

Thank you.Hi La Baron,

I stay in ChangAn about every other month. I will be at the Parkview Nov. 15 and will be in the area for about 2 weeks. I come and go every few weeks but I have yet to unlock the mongering secrets in ChangAn.

Hopefully, another member can point us in the right direction. Haven't tried the Parkview Sauna or found any BBS in my limited explorations.

[Tryntry]

Am Interested in a KTV to show a newbie while in CP later this month (18th-22nd). We will be staying at the Hue Mae hotel, have heard of KTVs with hundreds of girls. I wish to give my friend the "shock and awe" experience. Have only been to one myself (Taoyuan), any other suggestions appreciated. Have rtff about a few but am not sure about getting there as this will only be my second trip there.

Thanks, please advise.

[Aries3288]

I have read some of your other posts and you sounds more like an arrogant Singaporean to me. No need to be so critical of the others.

By the way, I am also a Singaporean.


[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]I was on a flight to Singapore last year and overheard some guys in the row in front of me talking about the mongering expedition they were just on in China.

=====================================

Singaporeans are the most popular in S. China especially Zhuhai, Donggguan, Shenzhen unlike the cheapskate Malaysians, ah-beng Taiwan-kia, showoff Hongkies, stingy Macaunese, rough mainlanders and those down-right rootless ABCs, CBCs etc

I am very welcome in Zhuhai, In fact the massage chicks, LHL stall mei mei, restaurant managers, salesgirls, shampoo girls all love me - James Chong aka 安仔, the top-earning property consultant from Singapore.

[Lex Moon]

Its value at 1-3-6 and there are definitely some gems to be discovered in terms of girls.
B888
Are your referring the price? If yes, this is much better than JiaYi 2-5-8.
BTW, does anyone know how is the room in hotel next door "Clipper" as compared to Swan Lake?

[Transporter]

Hello all,

I am staying in Changan since 2 months ago, but I know no one here. And I don't find much info on Changan through the search forum function.Of course I have company colleagues, but they are all office-dormitory style people.

1. I wonder if any of ISG member is living in Changan.
2. Can you tell me some nice places to go in Changan when I feel the need to release. My friends in SZ told me that they heard Changan is a very good place for mongering, but where I live, I don't see anything.

For those who know the layout of Changan, I live near Walmart.

Thank you.


Just have to wait a little while, there was and probably will always be a massive crackdown during the fair time. Most of the BBS stuff are temporarily in hiding, if you don't already have connections with the mommies, it might be a bit difficult finding them. Just wait until a week or so after the fair wraps up, and it should be fine. The saunas and KTV are still up and running.

[Transporter]

Thx CPE but is there such a thing as a reputable drugstore? The ones I have been to for cough syrups tend to have several counter girls in white doctor's gown but they are merely sales ladies. How about the one opposite the Hui Mei? Same side as the 7-11? Is that what you mean by a reputable drugstore?

Also, what does the pills go for these days? Assuming they are the generic kinds. What are the call in Mandarin?

Thx for you help!


I can help you out with these, but you don't have your pm turned on, so there is no way to get in contact.

[Pleasure Dude]

I just stayed at clippers for one week during canton fair and the rooms there are great. It is a little bit more expensive than swan lake but the rooms are nicer and with better furnishing. I think the hotel was just opened earlier in the year so it is still pretty new when compare to swan lake. Further down the street, I think Manhattan hotel is opened for business also.
PD


Are your referring the price? If yes, this is much better than JiaYi 2-5-8.
BTW, does anyone know how is the room in hotel next door "Clipper" as compared to Swan Lake?

[Ditto88]

Sorry, just could not resist making a comment. Here's another 1 of those guys who is destructive, unconstructive, spoiling the market rate and offends the whole world in just 1 simple sentence thinking he's James Bond. Or maybe it's just fantasy......

You the man James but i think you should be named Jack.A




[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]I was on a flight to Singapore last year and overheard some guys in the row in front of me talking about the mongering expedition they were just on in China.

=====================================

Singaporeans are the most popular in S. China especially Zhuhai, Donggguan, Shenzhen unlike the cheapskate Malaysians, ah-beng Taiwan-kia, showoff Hongkies, stingy Macaunese, rough mainlanders and those down-right rootless ABCs, CBCs etc

I am very welcome in Zhuhai, In fact the massage chicks, LHL stall mei mei, restaurant managers, salesgirls, shampoo girls all love me - James Chong aka 安仔, the top-earning property consultant from Singapore.

[Playboy2000]

Between this forum, Ace Gallant's forum, and the ******** forum you should be able to get some good addreses if you read carefully. JiAn KTV is highly recommended. Also, they have some great footie/massage places in CA as well. The biggest disadvantage of CA is that it is spread out...so you always have to take a car to your destination.



Hello all,

I am staying in Changan since 2 months ago, but I know no one here. And I don't find much info on Changan through the search forum function.Of course I have company colleagues, but they are all office-dormitory style people.

1. I wonder if any of ISG member is living in Changan.
2. Can you tell me some nice places to go in Changan when I feel the need to release. My friends in SZ told me that they heard Changan is a very good place for mongering, but where I live, I don't see anything.

For those who know the layout of Changan, I live near Walmart.

Thank you.

[Cdnlapcheong]

I can help you out with these, but you don't have your pm turned on, so there is no way to get in contact.Hey T,

Thx. I haven't made the move to be a full pledge member yet. Hence, the PM issue. Can you share it with everyone on the board on where are the best places to obtain these pills?

Cheers

[Banana888]

Are your referring the price? If yes, this is much better than JiaYi 2-5-8.
BTW, does anyone know how is the room in hotel next door "Clipper" as compared to Swan Lake?


Lexmoon,
Yes I was referring to the pricing. Extremely good value for money in my opinion – hence we didn’t go anywhere else.
I stayed at the Swan Lake but got a chance to look at the Clipper rooms; better than the Swan Lake in most respects and I was informed the breakfast there is not bad. Pricing only slightly higher than Swan Lake.

B888

[Kopkid]

Seniors,

Please advice other than the cab, (250 rmb).

Is there public transport from Changan town to Changping town?

I will be in Zhuhai at end of November.

From Kee Kwan bus station at the Zhuhai-Macau border.

I could only find buses going to Changan town.

(buses carried signs going to Dongguan when I enquired, destination Changan)

Many thanks.

[Member #4247]

[QUOTE=Aries3288]I have read some of your other posts and you sounds more like an arrogant Singaporean to me. No need to be so critical of the others.

By the way, I am also a Singaporean.

----------------------------------------------------------------

If u cannnot accept true facts, then shut up!

U behave like some stingy Malaysian rather than Singaporean.

Singaporeans are rated most popular in Zhuhai but obviously not you.

I will be in Zhuhai in mid Nov for my 8th trip this year and no Zhuhai chap nor chick has ever say I'm arrogrant except you - the ignorant fake? Singaporean

[Fast Eddie 48]

Seniors,

Please advice other than the cab, (250 rmb).

Is there public transport from Changan town to Changping town?

I will be in Zhuhai at end of November.

From Kee Kwan bus station at the Zhuhai-Macau border.

I could only find buses going to Changan town.

(buses carried signs going to Dongguan when I enquired, destination Changan)

Many thanks.KID,

You are too damn lazy to RTFF?

I have post info about the cts bus from Zhu hai to CP many times.

Learn to do some search, stop being a lazy ass .

Fast eddie 48

[Banana888]

Seniors,

Please advice other than the cab, (250 rmb).

Is there public transport from Changan town to Changping town?

I will be in Zhuhai at end of November.

From Kee Kwan bus station at the Zhuhai-Macau border.

I could only find buses going to Changan town.

(buses carried signs going to Dongguan when I enquired, destination Changan)

Many thanks.

I took a bus from Chang Ping to Zhuhai a few days ago, the bus dropped me off at another station in Zhuhai - not the Gongbei one. So I am pretty sure u can catch a bus from ZH to CP directly without having to go via Chang An.

B888

[Kopkid]

I took a bus from Chang Ping to Zhuhai a few days ago, the bus dropped me off at another station in Zhuhai - not the Gongbei one. So I am pretty sure u can catch a bus from ZH to CP directly without having to go via Chang An.

B888Not the Gongbei one, is the bus station you drop of at Xiangzhou or Jida District?

[Wadman]

Seniors,

Please advice other than the cab, (250 rmb).

Is there public transport from Changan town to Changping town?

I will be in Zhuhai at end of November.

From Kee Kwan bus station at the Zhuhai-Macau border.

I could only find buses going to Changan town.

(buses carried signs going to Dongguan when I enquired, destination Changan)

Many thanks.

KopKid,

To answer your original question: yes, there are buses from CA to CP. Cheap and quick too. Don't quite understand why guys (who know a bit of Mandarin) don't take intra-city buses more. I took a bus from CP to Longgang today: 35 rmb. Nice, clean, modern motorcoach. The bus took the same route I take when driving, and was just as fast. There were only 5 passengers on the bus, not sure how they can afford to operate on routes like these.

The busstation for long distance routes in CP is kitty corner from the train station, behind Coco mall.

[Pleasure Dude]

the internet speed is decent and just about the same as any other hotels in cp. as for the location, even though clippers and swan lake are not in the central location of cp, it is still the destination where we all venture to for the bbs. think about it. i can just walk across the street to the bbs, grab a girl, and head back to my room without even taking a taxi. to me, the swan lake street is the real "central location" in cp for mongering. as for robberies, i am usually not too concerned about that as i leave my wallet and valuables in my room safe and only leave a few hundred rmb in my pocket.

pd


pd how was internet speed and connectivity at clipper? i know that aside from the "not so central location" the other downside is that it is in an area of town that is not as safe ie robberies

[Dannycat]

Hi All

Went to kande club sauna in Houjie for the first time went to 3rd floor no one new english but they did know numbers 268 room 500 girl. I said ok sent we to 7th floor. Room was nice brought in 5 girls I took number 80 but when she took the padding off no chest but a pretty girl 19 I would say an 8. Everything else was good shower fire and ice usual. All in all a good experience I would recommend it. I walked all over Houjie trying to find a BBS or a mamasaun but nothing I wanted to bring a girl back to my room for ST but could not find anything can anyone tell me where to look?

Thanks

[Moody]

Between this forum, Ace Gallant's forum, and the ******** forum you should be able to get some good addreses if you read carefully. JiAn KTV is highly recommended. Also, they have some great footie/massage places in CA as well. The biggest disadvantage of CA is that it is spread out...so you always have to take a car to your destination.

JiAn is only so-so at best. The reason it's so popular among certain Singaporeans is that they managed to talk a manager or junior manager into letting them sneak in their own booze, so it's cheap. I was told there used to be a dude who organized trips over there and charged 300RMB a head.

BTW, this is the same reason JiaYi in CP is so popular among Singaporeans too. Some tour group or something has a deal with a manager or somebody over there that let them do the same thing, bring their own booze.

As for sexy foot massage, nowadays, you can find them anywhere. Basically it's like this, if the massage girl is wearing a skimpy sexy uniform instead of sweats, more often than not, they offer other services.

[Moody]

Hi All

Went to kande club sauna in Houjie for the first time went to 3rd floor no one new english but they did know numbers 268 room 500 girl. I said ok sent we to 7th floor.

Unless they've raised prices recently, the tip for the girl should have been 400.

[Skers]

Hi Guys,

I am new to the board and must say I am enjoying what I have read so far. I will be in China next week staying at the Goodview Hotel in Tangxia. I am looking for any and all recommendations on the talent at the Hotel and the area.

[Lex Moon]

Unless they've raised prices recently, the tip for the girl should have been 400.

I paid only 268 + 300 last year. So 268 + 500 is quite a big increase.

As for the street, it is not easy to find WG out there or maybe I don't know where. I was lucky to pick up a waitress from the BBQ rice restaurant next to McDonald. One not so pretty massage girl wanted to 1000rmb for a night which I declined. IMHO Houjie is definitely not as interesting as CP. However it is possible to get freebie if you don't mind late 20 to 30+ in Houjie.

[Playboy2000]

Thanks for the tip about "sexy massage". That seems to make a lot sense. Are there any such places within walking distance of the Miraton?

But I beg to differ about JiAn. It is a strip KTV...you can play strip poker with the girls, and girls are generally wilder than the CP girls. I personally enjoy the strip feature...but acknowledge that is not for all people.



JiAn is only so-so at best. The reason it's so popular among certain Singaporeans is that they managed to talk a manager or junior manager into letting them sneak in their own booze, so it's cheap. I was told there used to be a dude who organized trips over there and charged 300RMB a head.

BTW, this is the same reason JiaYi in CP is so popular among Singaporeans too. Some tour group or something has a deal with a manager or somebody over there that let them do the same thing, bring their own booze.

As for sexy foot massage, nowadays, you can find them anywhere. Basically it's like this, if the massage girl is wearing a skimpy sexy uniform instead of sweats, more often than not, they offer other services.

[Nycjohn]

Anyone know the current rate for Miraton Hotel?

The last time I went it was 320 Yuan per night and that was the walk in rate. Has the rate changed?

Also, I'll be in CP for a few weeks so any suggestions on other hotels with an even lower rate near the Miraton area is greatly appreciated. It doesn't have to be as nice as Miraton as long as it's not a dump and has internet (broadband).

Thx

[Moody]

Thanks for the tip about "sexy massage". That seems to make a lot sense. Are there any such places within walking distance of the Miraton?

But I beg to differ about JiAn. It is a strip KTV...you can play strip poker with the girls, and girls are generally wilder than the CP girls. I personally enjoy the strip feature...but acknowledge that is not for all people.

I guess I should have been more specific about JiAn. Basically, compared to other places in ChangAn, it's not that great. There are better places for strip KTV in ChangAn. I'm convinced the only reason it's popular with the Singapore guys is because they can bring their own booze.

As for sexy foot massage, don't think there is any near the Miraton except the Walther, which is kinda bad because the girls there..... not so pretty. To be honest there aren't many around CP. In a lot of other towns though, it seems to be the norm. From where I am in DGC, I can walk to one, take a three minute cab ride to another one, and a 5 minute cab ride to yet another one, and I'm sure there are many more, but I haven't explored that much around here. I get the feeling it's the same on most of the west side towns like Hongmei, Wangniudun, Machong, Shatian, Houjie, Humen, and ChangAn.

[Moody]

I paid only 268 + 300 last year. So 268 + 500 is quite a big increase.

Dammit... I think I mighta gotten ripped off.....

[Moody]

Hi Guys,

I am new to the board and must say I am enjoying what I have read so far. I will be in China next week staying at the Goodview Hotel in Tangxia. I am looking for any and all recommendations on the talent at the Hotel and the area.

If you do a search, you will find many MANY references to what's available at the Goodview. Unless you take a little time to do that, nobody's really gonna offer up much info.

[Bad Boy Billy]

Chinese New Year in 2009 is Jan 26 is it not?

Any idea of the dates of Chinese holidays?

What is the normal state of affairs in CP over CNY - BBS empty? All girlies head home? Still worth while visiting over this period?

[Old Mean Dog]

Chinese New Year in 2009 is Jan 26 is it not?

Any idea of the dates of Chinese holidays?

What is the normal state of affairs in CP over CNY - BBS empty? All girlies head home? Still worth while visiting over this period?

CNY is Jan 26th from what I've been told. Aprox 7-14 days around that time people are off work and travel home. Many will say it is a bad time to monger. I actually had a great time in CP 2 years ago, but not sure what last year was like. Due to the extremely bad weather they had last year, many may opt to stay put, so it maybe ok.

-CPE

[Dannycat]

These girls have really gotten spoiled at the sheridan. Called the 5th floor to send a massage girl to the room 200 rmb for 2 hrs which I know they only get paid 20 per hour from that then folled around with her to get a HJ and she wanted 700 I said never mind and she finally agreed on 300 which was a ripoff but I was caught in the moment. Any way just wanted to share the info.

[Waterfish7788]

my first day in cp started badly. everything seems to be fully booked.

as soon as we check in, bad luck 1 struck: even if i had booked the room 2 weeks in advance, they still can't give me all 5 rooms. they can only give me 2 room first and the other 3 around 5 pm. since there are nothing we can do about it, so, we figure we can hit the massage place and chill out before we get the other rooms. we make our way to the massage place opposite mariton hotel and bad luck 2 struck. we were told they are full and we have to coma back in 1 or 2 hours in order to have a room for 5. so, i decided to change location to the foot massage place at the lobby of lucky hotel. while going there, i make a call to book for a ktv room at tau yuen and bad luck 3 struck: they are also fully booked and have no ktv room available. so, i decided to wait and see how the night progress and we might end up taking gals from the bbs after our foot massage, dinner and taking up our rooms.

mid way to lucky hotel, i bump into one of the young mummy i used before. she block my path and forcing us to take a look at her shop before we go massage. eager to show my friends that cp is not all that bad from all our bad luck from the minute we arrive until now. i suggested to my friend that we have a peek into the shop and then make our decision after our foot massage. by now, it is around 4pm, so all oif us agree to pop into the shop and have a look.

the stock in the bbs is good. there is about 25 to 30 gals in there and some are just coming in. the mummies usual sales tactic kick into action pulling gals and sit them on my friends lap and keep on and hard sell with lots of sweet talk. in no time, everyone of my friend had grab one gal each. well, almost. one of the gal my friend pick refused to go out by saying her sister is coming into town today and cannot go out until the sister is here. for me, i think it is just plain excuses and the gal don't wan to go for lt as the mummies are all push hard for lt on us.

so, after good 15 mins in the shop, we have finally made our choice and went back to the hotel so that we can have our room and start with our business. bad luck 4 struck. the rooms are still not ready and wouldn't be ready till 730 pm. so, all 10 of us cramp into 1 room just to get to know each other selection.

then, the one of the gals suggested karaoke next to the massage place opposite mariton hotel and off we went to the karaoke. all 10 of us took a large room which is on an hourly charging rate and we can purchase our own drink and food at the shop outside. it is very value for money kind of set up.

tbc.

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[Moody]

Anyone know the current rate for Miraton Hotel?

The last time I went it was 320 Yuan per night and that was the walk in rate. Has the rate changed?

Also, I'll be in CP for a few weeks so any suggestions on other hotels with an even lower rate near the Miraton area is greatly appreciated. It doesn't have to be as nice as Miraton as long as it's not a dump and has internet (broadband).

Thx

I think EVERY OTHER hotel with the possible exception of the Hui Hua has a lower rate than the Miraton. Even the Hui Hua is cheaper if you have a VIP card. Hotels near the Miraton include the Lucky and the Walther. There's a few other smaller ones nearby too, but can't remember their names at the moment.

[Moody]

My first day in CP started badly. Everything seems to be fully booked.

To avoid these kinds of problems, don't show up on the weekend. For KTV, reserve a couple days in advance. Then again, at Taoyuan, unless you're a regular, it's still tough to get a weekend booking. If you're a heavy drinker with heavy drinking friends, you can try to get a room by promising to spend a lot, something like 5K or something.

[Moody]

These girls have really gotten spoiled at the sheridan. Called the 5th floor to send a massage girl to the room 200 rmb for 2 hrs which I know they only get paid 20 per hour from that then folled around with her to get a HJ and she wanted 700 I said never mind and she finally agreed on 300 which was a ripoff but I was caught in the moment. Any way just wanted to share the info.

I don't understand why you don't just go downstairs....

[OldAsiaHand]

Anyone know the current rate for Miraton Hotel?

The last time I went it was 320 Yuan per night and that was the walk in rate. Has the rate changed?

Also, I'll be in CP for a few weeks so any suggestions on other hotels with an even lower rate near the Miraton area is greatly appreciated. It doesn't have to be as nice as Miraton as long as it's not a dump and has internet (broadband).

Thx

Nycjohn,

The normal weekday rate is 338 RMB + 20 RMB for weekends. I stopped staying there recently due to better value elsewhere. I reckon that the hotel got too much publicity on this and other monger websites that they are running high occupancy and have raised rates. The rate was only 268 RMB just over a year ago.

The Lucky Hotel is good value nearby, but the last time I stayed there the internet connection was slow. I think the standard room is only 176 RMB and the rooms are OK.

Just my POV.

OAH

[SE Asia Joe]

OK -so here we are - in Chang ping!!

Johnny Kon AKA superforce says that like good cocaine, CP is to be enjoyed sparingly,but here I am on my second 5 day stay in 2 weeks and we are still having a blast!! We're all at the Peninsula KTV with our favorite DJ Dangdang who I just discovered is a helluva singer-and we're still having a blast!!OK OK I did have an isssue yesterday with a gal who didn';t know she was gonna be on her period,but I've got a tall beauty from Shandong leaning on me and Dang Dang just trying to figure out what all we're up to. Cali is out trying to pull off his "can get them all as freebies" nonsence and Chris is singing away whilst Slower better is already slowing and bettering his choice of the night. ME? I got my 5;10: Harbin gal to look forward to!!

So CP is best enjoyed in abundance.
SEAJ

[ManonsanBoy]

Guanlan town; like all towns, there are lots of BBS if you look. Anyway, called usual mamasan and got delivery of a petite but very new looking girl. Before she entered, I asked her for some age proof. She showed me a document with DOB.1989. Anyway, in the shower, she looked at my didi erect and promptly left the shower. She then asked for money which I refused. She left and WTF. Anyway, there was a knock on the door 10 minutes later and there were 3 chaps demanding money. I said your girl left. He smiled and asked is it really that big?(Mine is a thick 6.5 inches). I said "putong". He said show me. I said I need a girl to get it up. Lo........from behind, the girl who ran away was led into the room (reluctantly). So we have a stand off and I thought, WTF, "tsui e shai" to the girl. Much discussion and by this time, they were in my hotel room. To cut a long story short, she touch my didi with shut eyes and lips held very tightly together. My didi responded as I was laughing. Much clapping followed. I gave the money. The girl was told to stay. She started to cry. The heavies left.

I felt sorry for her and took her out to dinner. We spent the night together and she eventually let me in, slowly, then with some passion.

Moral of the story; have a sense of humour.

[Bad Boy Billy]

CNY is Jan 26th from what I've been told. Aprox 7-14 days around that time people are off work and travel home. Yep understand that - have flights booked arriving Shenzhen Jan 18 for 4 nights - one would imagine that should be 'before' the exodus?

[Bad Boy Billy]

I think EVERY OTHER hotel with the possible exception of the Hui Hua has a lower rate than the Miraton. Even the Hui Hua is cheaper if you have a VIP card.How does Hui Hua Hotel stack up to Miraton in quality and price. I understand Hui Hua breakfast better? How does one get a VIP card for Hui Hua?


The normal weekday rate for Miraton is 338 RMB + 20 RMB for weekends. I stopped staying there recently due to better value elsewhere. So where would you recomend I stay next time my friend - I am not really price sensitive - quality of accomodation more important to me.

[Moody]

How does Hui Hua Hotel stack up to Miraton in quality and price. I understand Hui Hua breakfast better? How does one get a VIP card for Hui Hua?


I think most people would agree that Hui Hua is nicer than the Miraton. Price is about the same, at around 330RMB. Breakfast.... is similar. To get a VIP card, you have to stay there a lot, I think more than 30 days in the past year.

If you're not so much into the KTV scene around the HH, Miraton, Virgin, and HM and prefer the BBS scene around Yalan, you might prefer places like the Swan Lake or Clipper, or even the Peninsula.Those places are within walking distance to the Yalan area.

[BigEightEight]

Guanlan town; like all towns, there are lots of BBS if you look. Anyway, called usual mamasan and got delivery of a petite but very new looking girl. Can you provide contact for mamasan at Gunlan and also name of contact at sauna at Da Ping Shan.. Golf there but didnt know they have such kind of services there. Txs

[Playboy2000]

At the Walter the girls wear sweat pants and shirts - so it isn't a dirty massage place? Or is it?

I beg to differ again. I went to JiAn and DMFL with a group of singaporeans. We bought all of our liquor in the KTVs...no one mentioned the possibility of sneaking booze in from outside.

Moody, What are the best strip KTVs in Chang'An in your opinion?

RT



I guess I should have been more specific about JiAn. Basically, compared to other places in ChangAn, it's not that great. There are better places for strip KTV in ChangAn. I'm convinced the only reason it's popular with the Singapore guys is because they can bring their own booze.

As for sexy foot massage, don't think there is any near the Miraton except the Walther, which is kinda bad because the girls there..... not so pretty. To be honest there aren't many around CP. In a lot of other towns though, it seems to be the norm. From where I am in DGC, I can walk to one, take a three minute cab ride to another one, and a 5 minute cab ride to yet another one, and I'm sure there are many more, but I haven't explored that much around here. I get the feeling it's the same on most of the west side towns like Hongmei, Wangniudun, Machong, Shatian, Houjie, Humen, and ChangAn.

[Weelock]

Chinese New Year in 2009 is Jan 26 is it not?

Any idea of the dates of Chinese holidays?

What is the normal state of affairs in CP over CNY - BBS empty? All girlies head home? Still worth while visiting over this period?

BBB:

It seems like you are arriving just before Chinese New Year. Most girls start to leave about 2 to 3 weeks before the mad rush. During CNY transportation like buses and trains increase their fares. Hotel rates goes up too. I heard it's the largest annual human migration in the world. As a result, many try to leave before the holiday begins. Most of the prettier girls usually go home because they can afford to. They make more money but there are still plenty of girls around.

Next just before Chinese News, there are RAIDS by LE. It has happened a few times in CP in the past. One might find majority of KTV's, saunas and BBS's closed. This is including the larger KTV's.

There were RAIDS earlier in December/January 2008 when I was in CP. Went to a few BBS's a few times and found there were closed. Another ISG guy and I saw a mommy getting arrested by two undercover cops in front of Virgin Hotel. One ISG guy told me his girl got taken away as they were walking out the door. The guy was holding the girl's hand and the undercover cop grabbed his girl as the cops were walking in. This all happened early late Dec 2007 and Jan 2008. I don't think anything happened with the KTV's and saunas for early 2008.


Some old pictures from a website of girls getting arrested in CP early this year.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=700192&postcount=2913

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=700192&highlight=raid%2A#post700192

[ManonsanBoy]

Can you provide contact for mamasan at Gunlan and also name of contact at sauna at Da Ping Shan.. Golf there but didnt know they have such kind of services there. Txs

Guanlan: 13715279823, 13928414315
Da Ping: 13559797728
Tangxia: 13829261134

Let me know how you get on. None speak any english.

[Bad Boy Billy]

I think most people would agree that Hui Hua is nicer than the Miraton. Price is about the same, at around 330RMB. Breakfast.... is similar. To get a VIP card, you have to stay there a lot, I think more than 30 days in the past year.

If you're not so much into the KTV scene around the HH, Miraton, Virgin, and HM and prefer the BBS scene around Yalan, you might prefer places like the Swan Lake or Clipper, or even the Peninsula.Those places are within walking distance to the Yalan area.Thanks a million mate.

[Bad Boy Billy]

Most of the prettier girls usually go home because they can afford to. They make more money but there are still plenty of girls around...............Next just before Chinese News, there are RAIDS by LE. It has happened a few times in CP in the past. One might find majority of KTV's, saunas and BBS's closed. This is including the larger KTV's.[/url]Thanks mate - that is all the info I need.

Will cancel CP til after CNY - Jakarta, Batam or Angeles City much more certain - thanks again

[Weelock]

Thanks mate - that is all the info I need.

Will cancel CP til after CNY - Jakarta, Batam or Angeles City much more certain - thanks again

It's usually not normal around/before CNY, but "CPExpat" was there two years ago and he had a great time. I was there just before CNY in 2008 and it was not 100% but it was OK. You still can find girls around but not at Chang Ping's best for other times of the year.

I can't comment on the hotels on Jan 25,26,27,28,29..... in CP like HH, Miraton since I don't stay there. They might raise their rate and they might not but most hotels raise thieir rates on holidays.

You still can come over. I am just telling you, things that happened in the past. :)

[Wadman]

At the Walter the girls wear sweat pants and shirts - so it isn't a dirty massage place? Or is it?

I beg to differ again. I went to JiAn and DMFL with a group of singaporeans. We bought all of our liquor in the KTVs...no one mentioned the possibility of sneaking booze in from outside.

Moody, What are the best strip KTVs in Chang'An in your opinion?

RT

I too have seen Singaporeans talk a manager/DJ into bringing their own booze. They order enough booze from the KTV to hit the room minimum, after that they break out their own bottles. Not that there is anything wrong with it. If they can convince someone to let them do it, more power to them!

As for the best strip KTVs... DongGuan is getting rough now, what with all the umemployment due to factory closures. Better stay away from CA.

[Wadman]

BBB:

It seems like you are arriving just before Chinese New Year. Most girls start to leave about 2 to 3 weeks before the mad rush.


Not that true anymore. A lot of girls do not go home for CNY anymore. Because transportation is nuts, and more expensive. Also because the girls are growing up, they realize that there really isn't that much at home for them. Food and accommodations is much worse than they have grown used to, while working in a BBS/KTV/sauna. The only thing is family and relatives. Problem is, a lot of these girls were treated like shit by their own family. Which is why they do what they do. So often, even family is not a reason.



During CNY transportation like buses and trains increase their fares. Hotel rates goes up too. I heard it's the largest annual human migration in the world. As a result, many try to leave before the holiday begins. Most of the prettier girls usually go home because they can afford to. They make more money but there are still plenty of girls around.

Next just before Chinese News, there are RAIDS by LE. It has happened a few times in CP in the past. One might find majority of KTV's, saunas and BBS's closed. This is including the larger KTV's.


Raids of high/higher end saunas and KTVs are rare. BBSs are another matter. BBSs are at the bottom of the food chain after all. The cops crack down on BBS girls and mommies because they need money for CNY too.

Some hotels do raise their prices a bit, using CNY as an excuse. The more sensible ones give you a discount because most Chinese (and Hongkies) stay home during CNY.

One thing you can be sure of is that everyone will pester you for a "hong bao" - a red packet. Tip: prepare some red packets with 5 to 10 rmb in them. If you really cannot get out of giving a "hong bao", use those.




There were RAIDS earlier in December/January 2008 when I was in CP. Went to a few BBS's a few times and found there were closed. Another ISG guy and I saw a mommy getting arrested by two undercover cops in front of Virgin Hotel. One ISG guy told me his girl got taken away as they were walking out the door. The guy was holding the girl's hand and the undercover cop grabbed his girl as the cops were walking in. This all happened early late Dec 2007 and Jan 2008. I don't think anything happened with the KTV's and saunas for early 2008.


Some old pictures from a website of girls getting arrested in CP early this year.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=700192&highlight=raid%2A#post700192

[Fast Eddie 48]

It's usually not normal around/before CNY, but "CPExpat" was there two years ago and he had a great time. I was there just before CNY in 2008 and it was not 100% but it was OK. You still can find girls around but not what's Chang Ping's best.

I can't comment on the hotels on Jan 25,26,27,28 in CP like HH, Miraton since I don't stay there. They might raise their rate and they might not but most hotels raise thieir rates on holidays.

You still can come over. I am just telling you, things that happened in the past. :)






to Weelock,

CPEXPAT is a local monger he know the town inside and out and know half the girl in town ,he have alot of contact number of girl even they closed everything in CP he can still call the girl to his hotel .

For the average JOE will have a tough time during CNY girl avaliblity will be way down ,why not just skip this period and come before CNY or come after .

Fast eddie 48

[Nycjohn]

I think EVERY OTHER hotel with the possible exception of the Hui Hua has a lower rate than the Miraton. Even the Hui Hua is cheaper if you have a VIP card. Hotels near the Miraton include the Lucky and the Walther. There's a few other smaller ones nearby too, but can't remember their names at the moment.Thanks Moody,

I being quoted 205 per night for Lucky Hotel online. That sounds decent, do you think it's better to book on arrival or just book it for 205 online?

Also, how do you get the VIP card for Hui Hua and what will be the rate with the VIP card?

Thanks again.

[Weelock]

Not that true anymore. A lot of girls do not go home for CNY anymore. Because transportation is nuts, and more expensive. Also because the girls are growing up, they realize that there really isn't that much at home for them. Food and accommodations is much worse than they have grown used to, while working in a BBS/KTV/sauna. The only thing is family and relatives. Problem is, a lot of these girls were treated like shit by their own family.

So it could be a lot less girls going back home now, sounds great.

In the past, it can be as high as 30-40% of the girls going back home for CNY. When they get home they always give money/gifts to their parents.



As for the best strip KTVs... DongGuan is getting rough now, what with all the umemployment due to factory closures.


I forgot about all the factories shutting down this year. A large unemployment, meaning more girls around. So it seems this CNY there might be more girls than normal around Dongguan. Great, I might be in China in January 2009.



Raids of high/higher end saunas and KTVs are rare. BBSs are another matter. BBSs are at the bottom of the food chain after all. The cops crack down on BBS girls and mommies because they need money for CNY too.


I recall one year CP was almost completely shutdown. Even the high end saunas and KTV's were closed. Not just in one year but for a few different years. Most were closed for a week or two in CP. Most gave an excuse of construction being done. One rumor was a high official came around. Another rumor was some working girls were murdered in CP. But you are correct, high end places are rarely raided and I would expect the same for Jan 2009.



One thing you can be sure of is that everyone will pester you for a "hong bao" - a red packet. Tip: prepare some red packets with 5 to 10 rmb in them.


Even for a laowai ? Just a stupid joke. :)

[Nycjohn]

How does Hui Hua Hotel stack up to Miraton in quality and price. I understand Hui Hua breakfast better? How does one get a VIP card for Hui Hua?

So where would you recomend I stay next time my friend - I am not really price sensitive - quality of accomodation more important to me.Oops, please disregard my post. I was reading out of order and see that BBB has already asked.


Nycjohn,

The normal weekday rate is 338 RMB + 20 RMB for weekends. I stopped staying there recently due to better value elsewhere. I reckon that the hotel got too much publicity on this and other monger websites that they are running high occupancy and have raised rates. The rate was only 268 RMB just over a year ago.

The Lucky Hotel is good value nearby, but the last time I stayed there the internet connection was slow. I think the standard room is only 176 RMB and the rooms are OK.

Just my POV.

OAHThanks OAH. I'll stop by Lucky Hotel and give them a shot. Is 176 the walk-in rate or should I book ahead?

I love the BBS action and read on the board that Yalan might be better for BBS. The only reason I'm leaning to the Miraton area is simply b/c I'm familiar with it. I'll prob spend 75% of my "energy" on BBS action and only 25% on KTV action.

[Cdnlapcheong]

I think EVERY OTHER hotel with the possible exception of the Hui Hua has a lower rate than the Miraton. Even the Hui Hua is cheaper if you have a VIP card. Hotels near the Miraton include the Lucky and the Walther. There's a few other smaller ones nearby too, but can't remember their names at the moment. Currently at the VIRGIN HOTEL. End of block of the Mariton (turn left if you are standing at the hotel's lobby facing front). Rate is 260 RMB. Cheap but bed is hard and breakfast is crap. But good spot as the Hui Mai is just across the street, the little alley of factory girls, etc.

[OldAsiaHand]

How does Hui Hua Hotel stack up to Miraton in quality and price. I understand Hui Hua breakfast better? How does one get a VIP card for Hui Hua?

So where would you recomend I stay next time my friend - I am not really price sensitive - quality of accomodation more important to me.

Either the Miraton or Hui Hua is suitable for you mate. You could go over to stay at Swan Lake or Clipper, but besides the close proximity to Yalan BBS action, nothing else is convenient. At Miraton/Hui Hua, you have McD, Starbucks, Mito's, etc., within walking distance. Besides, almost no English is spoken in the Swan Lake for example.

Just my POV.

OAH

[OldAsiaHand]

Thanks mate - that is all the info I need.

Will cancel CP til after CNY - Jakarta, Batam or Angeles City much more certain - thanks again

BBB,

I will admit that it is not the best time of year to visit, but you will find enough to satisfy even your appetite.

With all due respect to his experience in China, Weelock is the ultimate pessimist.

That said, another downside to this period is the increase of the crime rate as migrants are trying to build their stash before heading home for the holiday. However, this only takes a bit more vigilance.

Just my POV.

OAH

[OldAsiaHand]

At the Walter the girls wear sweat pants and shirts - so it isn't a dirty massage place? Or is it?

I beg to differ again. I went to JiAn and DMFL with a group of singaporeans. We bought all of our liquor in the KTVs...no one mentioned the possibility of sneaking booze in from outside.

Moody, What are the best strip KTVs in Chang'An in your opinion?

RT

RT,

Walter can be a dirty massage place depending on the girl. Many girls will try to get you to take another hour massage before any action. The problem is that the playful girls tend to be less attractive. You will be able to tell immediately during the thigh rub if your girl is doable. They have these single person rooms you may want to use.

Just my POV.

OAH

[Bad Boy Billy]

BBB,I will admit that it is not the best time of year to visit, but you will find enough to satisfy even your appetite. Thanks mate but I have cancelled the flight.

Have resceduled to spend 7 nights in Angeles City instead - will be back in China late Feb / early Mar - 3 or 4 days in CP and hopefully a night or 2 in Beijing - hopefully see you then my friend.

[Weelock]

Chinese New Year in 2009 is Jan 26 is it not?

Any idea of the dates of Chinese holidays?

What is the normal state of affairs in CP over CNY - BBS empty? All girlies head home? Still worth while visiting over this period?

Thanks mate but I have cancelled the flight.

Have resceduled to spend 7 nights in Angeles City instead - will be back in China late Feb / early Mar - 3 or 4 days in CP and hopefully a night or 2 in Beijing - hopefully see you then my friend.

Wow, I feel a little guilty because you are not coming in Jan. What I gave was a WORST case scenario during CNY. Definitely, it is not the best time to visit China for mongering but I think you already knew something about the situation during CNY. Fortunately, you just delay arriving one month and a better time. The airfares will be cheaper and weather will be not as hot. In my opinion, the best time of the year to visit is around March/April and Oct/Nov.

Might be in China around Jan/Feb. and I can take you to the famous Catacombs if you have not been there already. We can try to find "CPExpat's" favorite girl. She's a little older, great BJ shills because she has no teeth. :)

[Moody]

There's plenty of girls in DG around CNY. Sure there are fewer girls, but there are also fewer guys. I was around this past CNY and had no problems. I even went out on the CNY eve, when my friend and I were one of two customers at the Goodview. They still had a bunch of girls who showed up for work.

There might have been reasons for this though. The rails and buses weren't really working too well for a good part of the time, so I think a lot of people just decided to stay. Crazy inflation made it so a lot people didn't save up enough money to go back home with gifts. Some of the girls I spoke to said they rather go home at another time of the year when everything is not as crazy.

The one bad thing though, especially this past winter, was that it was friggin freezing everywhere I went. Some of the girls at KTV took to wearing thermal underwear which made the touchy feely thing not as much fun. I think they said it was the coldest winter in Guangdong in like 50 years. Electric blankets were sold out at every store even at 2X-3X the normal price.

[Moody]

Thanks Moody,

I being quoted 205 per night for Lucky Hotel online. That sounds decent, do you think it's better to book on arrival or just book it for 205 online?

Also, how do you get the VIP card for Hui Hua and what will be the rate with the VIP card?

Thanks again.

Unless you're showing up on a Friday or Saturday, just show up and ask for a discount. Also, the Hui Mei and the Virgin are pretty close to the Miraton too and IIRC, those places are in the 200's too.

To get a VIP card, you have to stay there a lot, something like 30 days a year. With a VIP card, I think the rate comes out to like 290-300 on weekdays.

[Moody]

At the Walter the girls wear sweat pants and shirts - so it isn't a dirty massage place? Or is it?

I beg to differ again. I went to JiAn and DMFL with a group of singaporeans. We bought all of our liquor in the KTVs...no one mentioned the possibility of sneaking booze in from outside.



You can get stuff at the Walther.... but like I said earlier... girls.... no so pretty....

About the Singapore guys take my word for it, it happens. The guys who do it keep posting about the place so it's gotten a rep. I'm not enough of a regular at any one place to do that, or else I would.

Think about it, the wine they sell at KTV for 180RMB costs like 30RMB at the supermarket. Beer is like a couple RMB a bottle and KTV charges 40-45RMB. If you can get away with it, hell, why not???? If your group orders like 12 bottles of wine, you save like 1800RMB, offer the the manager like 2-300RMB, and you still make out 1500RMB.

Someone told me there used to be a guy who charged 300 a head for unlimited drinks. I can see that easily happening. Lets say 5 guys show up, you collect 1500. Room minimum is probably like 400, order mixers until you hit the minimum. Most Singaporeans don't have a reputation for being heavy drinkers so it's highly unlikely 5 guys will drink more than 10 bottles of wine and mixers. Total cost for the night for the arranger, 400+300+200(DJ). The guy makes out like 600 which he splits with the manager or DJ. The 5 guys also make out. 6 bottles of wine at buy 2 get one free is about 1080RMB, mixers for 9 bottles probably 720, DJ tip 200, which makes a total of about 2000.

[Moody]

One thing you can be sure of is that everyone will pester you for a "hong bao" - a red packet. Tip: prepare some red packets with 5 to 10 rmb in them. If you really cannot get out of giving a "hong bao", use those.

This is by FAR the most annoying thing about CNY. I started with a bag full of 200 hongbao with 10RMB each... Had to reload another 200... You end up giving them to everybody and I mean everybody. Everybody gets one including the barber, water delivery guy, the foot massage girl, the guys who help you with your clothes at the spa, about 50 security guards, neighborhood kids, anytime you eat out and the bill is more than a couple hundred, beggars, hotel maids, At KTV, the girls, the mommies, the server guys. I'd have a separate stash of 100s for the managers I'm friendly with. That's not even including people you're close to who expect a LOT more. It's endless!!!

I gotta admit though, it's sometimes kinda useful. At KTV, would take some out and gamble with them. Some of the "laoban" would go around carrying literally thousands of them, all with different amounts in them.

Here's the thing that really pisses me off though.... I gave out at least 400 of the damn things, I don't think anybody gave me ONE....

[Bnlee2]

This is by FAR the most annoying thing about CNY. I started with a bag full of 200 hongbao with 10RMB each... Had to reload another 200... You end up giving them to everybody and I mean everybody. Everybody gets one including the barber, water delivery guy, the foot massage girl, the guys who help you with your clothes at the spa, about 50 security guards, neighborhood kids, anytime you eat out and the bill is more than a couple hundred, beggars, hotel maids, At KTV, the girls, the mommies, the server guys. I'd have a separate stash of 100s for the managers I'm friendly with. That's not even including people you're close to who expect a LOT more. It's endless!!! ...You forgot the ISG brothers. We need our hongbao too. I personally prefers the 'C notes. With the face of uncle Mao on it". I will be awaiting for mine's next time we meet during CNY.

Gimme. Gimmee. Gimmee. I want one too.

[Bad Boy Billy]

Guys GZ to CP by taxi is about 2 hours right?

I am trying to cash miles to book a March visit and cannot get flights into SZ with Sing Air - GZ is available - your thoughts please.

[Lex Moon]

Guys GZ to CP by taxi is about 2 hours right?

Yes 2hrs. I took the taxi from GZ Baiyun airport and asked him to run the meter. It was around 400rmb. A cheaper alternative is to take Airport bus to East railway station & then train. Total is less than 100rmb.

[Bad Boy Billy]

Yes 2hrs. I took the taxi from GZ Baiyun airport and asked him to run the meter. It was around 400rmb. A cheaper alternative is to take Airport bus to East railway station & then train. Total is less than 100rmb.Thanks mate - taxi is fine - still get a tax deduction for it.

[OldAsiaHand]

Here's the thing that really pisses me off though.... I gave out at least 400 of the damn things, I don't think anybody gave me ONE....

Moody,

According to Chinese custom, you are not entitled to receive a red bag, but you are obligated to give them. That is because you are married and have children. Normally, red bags are only to be given to children and your subordinates, not everybody on the street. The Chinese know this. They are just trying to take advantage of you. They do the same thing to me since they think I do not know better.

Just my POV.

OAH

[OldAsiaHand]

Here's the thing that really pisses me off though.... I gave out at least 400 of the damn things, I don't think anybody gave me ONE....

Moody,

According to Chinese custom, you are not entitled to receive a red bag, but you are obligated to give them. That is because you are married and have children. Normally, red bags are only to be given to children and your subordinates, not everybody on the street. The Chinese know this. They are just trying to take advantage of you. They do the same thing to me since they think I do not know better.

Just my POV.

OAH

[Bad Boy Billy]

Wow, I feel a little guilty because you are not coming in Jan. What I gave was a WORST case scenario during CNY.Don't feel guilty mate - you were attempting to give an honest answer to a question I posed - that is all I could ever expect.

At the risk of sounding like an imbicile - CP Jan 18 to 22 might be back on agenda.

Am off to Shanghai / Nanjing on Sunday for a couple of days then Angeles in Phils after that - will make decision on CP when I get back to Australia on Dec 1.

[SE Asia Joe]

Past couple weeks I've been in n out of CP for a total of 9 nights and as such ain't been posting that much of late. I also had the chance to reflect upon what some of the other seasoned ISG buddies been saying to me - that perchance I'm posting up TOO MUCH info here on the good stuff! and that as a result, too many BSD's come to town and spoil it for all of us.

OK - so, I'll also start posting up some of the disasters!!

Pirate cars - a week ago, a taxi driver dropped off a passenger at the Hui Hua and another group of passengers jumped into the taxi. Right away the Pirate guys (who pays RMB 2,000/month for the privilege of monopolizsing the taxi passeneger trade from the hotel) stopped him and an argument ensued, which escalated into the taxi driver being shot twice in the face. Luckily he survived and is recovering - but this has put the spotlight on the whole trade and hopefully something good is going to result from all of this.

Taxis - Mongoose, Chris and I smartly (at least we thought so) jumped into a blue taxi outside of the Miraton to take us to a new place outside of CP (Yijing Sauna in Hengli DGG) and the driver obediently complied when we told him to put up the flag. 20 or so minutes later we arrived at the place and the meter shows RMB 24. When we left the place, a pirate taxi approached us and told us that he would charge us RMB 25 to take us back to the Miraton - which we thought was a reasonable deal as his car was new and it'd save us walking out of the Sauna/hotel complex to try to hunt up a taxi. Well, the driver made a right turn out of the complex, drove about half a kilometer and lo and behold, we were already at the Red Lion!! Damn Damn Damn - not only had we been screwed by the taxi driver who obviously gave us a tour before going to the place, but then we screwed ourselves again by agreeing to pay the pirate RMB25 for a ride that should not have been over RMB 10 or 15!!

Moral of the story - all these guys are crooks!!

SEAJ

[Weelock]

Moody,

According to Chinese custom, you are not entitled to receive a red bag, but you are obligated to give them. That is because you are married and have children. Normally, red bags are only to be given to children and your subordinates, not everybody on the street. The Chinese know this. They are just trying to take advantage of you. They do the same thing to me since they think I do not know better.

Just my POV.

OAH

You are correct OAH. Normally, if you are single, not married, you are NOT obligated to give red envelopes. It is customary If you are married you give them to other unmarried people.

Less common, red envelopes are often used in terms of bribery's ( favors ) in business, payments of extortion money, for donations in charities, donations to bride and groom at weddings, passed to everybody at funerals and most likely one or two other things.

For KTV's I don't know what the custom is for KTV's. Next time, just say you are NOT married should solve the problem.

I don't think anyone would expect a red envelope from a Laowai. :)

[SE Asia Joe]

OK - here's another disaster - a cheezy one I'd categorize it>

Dongguan Yijing Holiday Resort, No 1 Zhong Shan East Rd., Hengli DGG. Well, Chris's been reading on a Chinese lingo web site that this is the best damn thing around CP - a FULL line-up parade of ALL the sauna gals in the house starting at 6:30 every night with 8 lucky draw prizes for those that gets there before such time - including the top prize of an on-the-house full treatment by the gal of the prize winner's choice!

We were so damn eager to find out what this was all about that we had got there earlier - 4 pm, to first get a footie before going down to see the show. We should have figured out that all is not great when we drove to the complex and saw that it was a China Type "resort" circa 1980 with all the faux Spanish/French or whatever decor it was, with part of it being redecorated. Went to the crappy footsie room and was assigned 3 rather dumpy but nonetheless acceptable looking gals who proceeded to give us a head massage whilst they straddled our heads whilst sitting on the top of the armchair and placed our heads in between their legs - the back of our heads separated from their nether regions by only a thin layer of material!! Promising - very promising - and made us 3 all hepped up and ready for the sauna action in a while!

Footsie done and we got a tour of the rooms available - 138, 168 and 188 for the Crystal room!! And they were all again circa 1980's Cheesy China (Saw the old style squat toilets with flip down seats that was supported on 6 inches talll stilts - thus making it both a sit down as well as squat toilet!!). and then the manager so eagerly offered us a discount (without us asking for it) and would charge us only 118 for the small room - Jeez - business must be THAT BAD!!

Went down to the show room at 6;15 and Ouch - talk about cheezy - loud "Supposedly Trance" Chinese music (you know them!!) Glittery, cheap Christmas decorations put up eons ago, unshelled Peanuts, containers of paper flowers (which one is supposed to give to the gal of "his" choice), terrible lighting with splashes of disco light throbs, and a cheap plastic multi colored "catwalk" dominating the whole damn room - and offerings of tea in a paper cup. And oh yeah, 8 balloons containing numbers of the lucky punters -(Hell there was only 6 or so parties in the whole room - so I guess everybody was gonna get a prize that night!!). Schlock - pure schlock!

And then - here comes the beauties on parade...... yelch, we hightailed it out of there. Pronto!!

Just in case anyone reading this is still interested in going - the Momma who was so nice to us was Ma Yin xx5-8097-1965 (You guys know what the first 2 numbers are - right) and the gals are 300, 400 and 500.. OK OK , I may be a bit unkind about the gals, and in fact I did manage to write down numbers 23, 90, 63 and 52 as "possibles" - but the other 2 guys just refused to have anything to do with my madness!!


SEAJ

[SE Asia Joe]

OK - here is a third disaster - a RMB 10 one!

Picked this gal up at the Hui mei Alley, paid the mommie her RMB50 and took her back to the room. Showered her, romanced her, had her do a BBBJ (Lousy) and proceeded to do her. A few minutes into it, I was mystified as she was really lubing up nicely - too nicely I figured - as I ain 't THAT good a cocksman!! Checked my little willy and lo and behold - of course it wasn't her lubing up, but her starting her period!!

Yuck!!

So I quickly got her off the bed and we jumped into the shower.

Whilst she was dressing up I figured that since she just about did everything, that it would be in order for me to pay her, her RMB100, even though I didn't come. Gave the Red Mao and then she turned and said "Xiao Fei?" WHAT??? "Xiao Fei, you must give me a xiao fei...." and that was when I lost it and started shouting at her - which was when she started to dial her mommie on the phone. I was really pissed off - but luckily I had the presence of mind to dial Wadman on MY phone (basically to ask him to translate for me as by then we were shouting at each other - me in Cantonese and she in Putonghua!!) And good Ole Wadman.... yes good ole guy that he is ... said - Awwww Joe .... 10 bucks..... 10 bucks....come on!! Which was when I snapped out of it and figured .... yeah... it's only 10 lousy bucks and I've already spent 150 anyways!! Gave her her lousy extra 10 bucks as I threw her out!!

No, I don't usually post up full pictures of the gals - but here she is. Not bad actually huh? You guys go and do whatever you wanno do - by now her period should be over!!

SEAJ

[Santa]

OK - here is a third disaster - a RMB 10 one!

Picked this gal up at the Hui mei Alley, paid the mommie her RMB50 and took her back to the room. Showered her, romanced her, had her do a BBBJ (Lousy) and proceeded to do her. A few minutes into it, I was mystified as she was really lubing up nicely - too nicely I figured - as I ain 't THAT good a cocksman!! Checked my little willy and lo and behold - of course it wasn't her lubing up, but her starting her period!!

Yuck!!

So I quickly got her off the bed and we jumped into the shower.

Whilst she was dressing up I figured that since she just about did everything, that it would be in order for me to pay her, her RMB100, even though I didn't come. Gave the Red Mao and then she turned and said "Xiao Fei?" WHAT??? "Xiao Fei, you must give me a xiao fei...." and that was when I lost it and started shouting at her - which was when she started to dial her mommie on the phone. I was really pissed off -

SEAJ

Is it possible, or maybe even likely, that she knew she was on her period and maybe the mamasan also knew and they didn't care?

Last time that happened to me the girl got blood on my sheets. I immediately called in roomservice to clean the bed, and the service ladies started yelling at the girl for her negligence. I know it is possible that the girl didn't know, but i thought that she did. I refused to pay anything. I complained to the mamasan and she provided me with another.

[SE Asia Joe]

Is it possible, or maybe even likely, that she knew she was on her period and maybe the mamasan also knew and they didn't care?

.

anything is of course possible but I'd think no, not this case.

Actually I was in the BBS very early and the gals were just coming in; my particular one didn't even take her seat or anything (as she came into the BBS) when I got her to come over and I right away paid the mommie. Thus for sure the mommie wouldn't know at all; And if the gal had known that she was on the rag, I would think that she wouldn't have even bothered to come in to work.

Talkin' about gals on the rag - last week I was just having a footsie with a buddy when one of my regular gals phoned and I invited her for a session. She showed up with her "Xiao Piao Mei" And I of course went ahead and treated both of them for the treat.

Afterwards, we all just naturally went back to my room - and I told them to go and take a shower. That was when my gal told me that her Piao Mei was on the rag - and I sat OK, no big deal, she can hang around anyway. They both went to take a shower and got into bed together. As I was foolin' around w/my gal, the piao mei was watching TV whilst i would once a while grab her small tits or ass or.... whatever. Kinda nice and friendly things.... just foolin' around/my gal wud even be giving me a blow job under the sheets etc.

That was when my friend phoned and asked if I had the gals with me - and I told him that yes I've got the 2 of 'em but one of 'em was on the rag. Horny bastard that he is, he asked me to ask if the on the rag gal wants to come over to give him a blow job - and I fixed up the deal for him RMB 100!!

She only put on my Tee shirt and went bare foot down the hall to my friend's room whilst I got the chance to now get it on properly with my regular gal.... and thus things all worked out to everybody's satisfaction that evening!!


SEAJ

[HoseGuy]

Was wondering if the more experienced members here can offer advice on a dillema I have. Basically I'm going to be in either HouJie or Shenzhen for a period of 2-3 weeks spanning Christmas and New Years. I have to spend my hotel points so am limited to staying in the Sheraton Dongguan or the Four Points Sheraton in Shenzhen. Reading the forum, seems like both locations are not perfect for mongering. Four Points does not seem to be that close to the infamous Seibu BBS area and reports on Houjie seem to indicate more KTV action than BBS action.

How should I spend the time? All in Shenzhen or all in Dongguan? Split time between both locations? Do the long 45 min commute to Changping from Houjie?

Also can anyone advise if its business as usual for these two locations during the holiday period?

Thanks

[Pointpanic]

OK - here is a third disaster - a RMB 10 one!



SEAJ

SE Asia Joe: we really feel sympathy for you. All of the terrible things that are happening to you. The "disaster" is that I am not in CP and I have to read about your adventures. Hope to see you Dec 1-6 in CP.

[Moody]

Also can anyone advise if its business as usual for these two locations during the holiday period?

Thanks

Chinese don't celebrate Christmas and the Jan 1st New Years day is just another day...

[Playboy2000]

Forget out about your miles. Just stay at the Lucky Hotel in CP for US$25/night.


Was wondering if the more experienced members here can offer advice on a dillema I have. Basically I'm going to be in either HouJie or Shenzhen for a period of 2-3 weeks spanning Christmas and New Years. I have to spend my hotel points so am limited to staying in the Sheraton Dongguan or the Four Points Sheraton in Shenzhen. Reading the forum, seems like both locations are not perfect for mongering. Four Points does not seem to be that close to the infamous Seibu BBS area and reports on Houjie seem to indicate more KTV action than BBS action.

How should I spend the time? All in Shenzhen or all in Dongguan? Split time between both locations? Do the long 45 min commute to Changping from Houjie?

Also can anyone advise if its business as usual for these two locations during the holiday period?

Thanks

[Moody]

Ended up going to the DFML sauna yesterday with a friend. Service is standard sauna stuff. I think someone else had previously mentioned that the girls are just wearing their underwear when you pick them. Anyway, pricing is 450, 550, and 650 all in. Kind of funny, but they only had one 650 girl.

Anyway, picked one of the 550 ones. Type of girl OAH might like... ;-) Skinny little girl with big breastessessess, looked like 32-33C+ and a 22 inch waist. Also, the girl barely had any pubes. I mean NOTHING above her clit and a few wisps under it, so Joe, if you're still searching for a white tiger.... she's pretty close. I'll give you her gonghao if you want. BTW, on another trip to a CA sauna, I did get a true white tiger, with absolutely nothing down there. She was a Daizhu, one of those ethnic minorities from the west.

[Santa]

And if the gal had known that she was on the rag, I would think that she wouldn't have even bothered to come in to work.

SEAJ

I'm not so sure about that. Money is a powerful reinforcer and most of these gals will do just about anything to get more money.

I think that some of the sauna and ktv girls also work in the bbs, but only when they ARE on the rag. When the guy cannot finish because he discovers the problem, she plays innocent, but still wants payment.

[Old Mean Dog]

Was wondering if the more experienced members here can offer advice on a dillema I have. Basically I'm going to be in either HouJie or Shenzhen for a period of 2-3 weeks spanning Christmas and New Years. I have to spend my hotel points so am limited to staying in the Sheraton Dongguan or the Four Points Sheraton in Shenzhen. Reading the forum, seems like both locations are not perfect for mongering. Four Points does not seem to be that close to the infamous Seibu BBS area and reports on Houjie seem to indicate more KTV action than BBS action.

How should I spend the time? All in Shenzhen or all in Dongguan? Split time between both locations? Do the long 45 min commute to Changping from Houjie?

Also can anyone advise if its business as usual for these two locations during the holiday period?

Thanks

It's certainly easier to move around in Shenzhen, especially if you don't speak good Chinese.

-CPE

[Moody]

Split time between both locations? Do the long 45 min commute to Changping from Houjie?

This is a really bad idea. Most likely, the girls won't want to go back to Houjie with you, especially the BBS types, so you'll have to either rent a ST room or go exclusively to saunas. Second, unless your Asian and know how to haggle, you'll blow more money on cab fare and ST rooms than just paying for a hotel room in CP. If you're going to be in Houjie, just stay in Houjie. If you want to be in CP, just stay in CP.

[Cdnlapcheong]

Just spent 2 days in CP. These days with a lot of factory closures, crime is rampant. Be careful everywhere you go. Drivers are even telling stories of bodies being found in ditches or road sides with organs taken out.

Went with a buddy from HK to the alley (back of shop street) behind the Hui Mei hotel and a mommy took us to a room in one of the shop with plenty of young factory type girls. The all varies in size and looks but 1/2 were stoned on something. The guys at the doors were nervous about the cops and they all seem figgety which made my buddy and I nervous as well.

Again, be careful...it may not be the cops after them but another gang. Last thing is to get caught in the crossfire. Cleavers and bullets are cheap in China.

Hui Hui is still a good choice hotel with a great sauna. Had a cute Japanese looking girl in a flight attendant out fit who basically soaked her little panties with just a few minutes of foreplay. Damage was 300 + 268 for the room. No change.

[Old Mean Dog]

Just spent 2 days in CP. These days with a lot of factory closures, crime is rampant. Be careful everywhere you go. Drivers are even telling stories of bodies being found in ditches or road sides with organs taken out.

Went with a buddy from HK to the alley (back of shop street) behind the Hui Mei hotel and a mommy took us to a room in one of the shop with plenty of young factory type girls. The all varies in size and looks but 1/2 were stoned on something. The guys at the doors were nervous about the cops and they all seem figgety which made my buddy and I nervous as well.

Again, be careful...it may not be the cops after them but another gang. Last thing is to get caught in the crossfire. Cleavers and bullets are cheap in China.I agree with your initial crime point, but lets be honest here. The shops behind the Hui Mei, have always been considered a secondary area for most of us who know CP. That area is to be destroyed and/or cleaned up, police are always hassling the shops. I've been trapped in some of those shops in the past when the police decided to camp out front and had to sneak out the back way. The mom/pops have a good lookout system there and if the cops do decide to camp, dump the girl before evacuating the shop and get her later, the bosses know how the game is played as well.

If your gonna be in this hobby, you gotta learn how the game is played.

-CPE

BTW: The Poppa always looks nervous.

[Dannycat]

Hoseguy,

If you find a good BBS or Mom/pop in Houjie let me know.

I go there once a week and have not found one.

Thanks

[Santa]

Just spent 2 days in CP. These days with a lot of factory closures, crime is rampant. Be careful everywhere you go. Drivers are even telling stories of bodies being found in ditches or road sides



I don't know anything about crime rates, but when unemployment goes up crime rates do too.

They had a report on BBC today about thousands of factory closures in GuangDong. Many angry workers who never got paid and long lines at the GuangZhou train stations of workers going home to their own provinces.

[Freepeaks]

Hui Hui is still a good choice hotel with a great sauna. Had a cute Japanese looking girl in a flight attendant out fit who basically soaked her little panties with just a few minutes of foreplay. Damage was 300 + 268 for the room. No change.

Hui Hui? you mean Hui Hua or ??? I thought the Virgin Sauna was the only one with nurse uniforms, flight attendants and naughty outfits.

[Weelock]

I don't know anything about crime rates, but when unemployment goes up crime rates do too.

They had a report on BBC today about thousands of factory closures in GuangDong. Many angry workers who never got paid and long lines at the GuangZhou train stations of workers going home to their own provinces.


Jobseeker numbers rose by 10.2 million in the first 10 months of 2008, exceeding China's official projection for the entire year by two percent.
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China's official urban unemployment rate is still about 4 percent, but could rise to 4.5 percent by the end of the year. But these official figures fail to reflect hundreds of millions of Chinese villagers who go to the cities to seek work.
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In southern China's Dongguan city had to pay 24 million yuan (US$3.51 million) to more than 7,000 employees after two toy-making factories went bankrupt partly due to slumping exports.




http://english.ntdtv.com/?c=145&a=6058

http://www.bt.com.bn/en/international_business/2008/11/06/slowing_china_stokes_fears_of_unemployment



Pessimistic Side:
Yes, I agee, when unemployment goes up crime does too. It will be more dangerous traveling.

Optimistic Side:
It means most likely more girls avaliable to play with....:)

[Santa]

[i]


Pessimistic Side:
Yes, I agee, when unemployment goes up crime does too. It will be more dangerous traveling.

Optimistic Side:
On the bright side it means most likely more girls avaliable.



Of course, this is not the economy forum, but if this economic crisis continues to get worse how will it effect the prostitution market?

Will there be less mongerers?

Will there be lots of empty ktv rooms?

A higher or lower demand at bbs?

An increased demand for handjobs and less demand for full service?

Will idle and unemployed guys and girls seek each other out for an exchange, causing higher rates of prostitution?

Will many girls give up the business because there are not enough customers?

Lower or higher prices?

More or less competition between girls?

Will many girls return to their home village? Or will many village girls head for the cities?

Will Santa this year only be able to afford one ho for Christmas?

[OldAsiaHand]

Santa,

IMHO, the answer to most of your questions is yes. A market is a market regardless of the product. In an economic downturn, less mongers will travel and they will seek more economic alternatives e.g. BBS. Prices will drop. Many girls will give up and go home. All that said, I do not believe it has reached that point yet.

Just my POV.

OAH



Of course, this is not the economy forum, but if this economic crisis continues to get worse how will it effect the prostitution market?

Will there be less mongerers?

Will there be lots of empty ktv rooms?

A higher or lower demand at bbs?

An increased demand for handjobs and less demand for full service?

Will idle and unemployed guys and girls seek each other out for an exchange, causing higher rates of prostitution?

Will many girls give up the business because there are not enough customers?

Lower or higher prices?

More or less competition between girls?

Will many girls return to their home village? Or will many village girls head for the cities?

Will Santa this year only be able to afford one ho for Christmas?

[SE Asia Joe]

Santa, Weelock - you guys been stuck in the States TOOOOO LONG!!!
Talking about economy, Crime, demand and supply.... Man!!!

Just get out here and DO IT!!

SEAJ

BTW - just had the 2 identical twins from Baby's yesterday!! Mission accomplished.... at last!! Not GREAT, but nice!! And as I said, its at least mission accomplished.

[Fast Eddie 48]

Santa, Weelock - you guys been stuck in the States TOOOOO LONG!
Talking about economy, Crime, demand and supply.... Man!

Just get out here and DO IT!

SEAJ

BTW - just had the 2 identical twins from Baby's yesterday!! Mission accomplished.... at last!! Not GREAT, but nice!! And as I said, its at least mission accomplished.SEAJ,

OK Uncle Joe, I will take the next flight out of SFO tomorrow.

I hope it was the same twin I did last yr from Hunan.

Fast eddie 48

[Transporter]

大冰 - 小冰

Had to do them myself.
The older one was better company, but the younger one I had to do first. How was it with you?


Santa, Weelock - you guys been stuck in the States TOOOOO LONG!!!
Talking about economy, Crime, demand and supply.... Man!!!

Just get out here and DO IT!!

SEAJ

BTW - just had the 2 identical twins from Baby's yesterday!! Mission accomplished.... at last!! Not GREAT, but nice!! And as I said, its at least mission accomplished.

[SE Asia Joe]

大冰 - 小冰

Had to do them myself.
The older one was better company, but the younger one I had to do first. How was it with you?
Yeah - I did do one of them singly (not quite sure which one!!) a month or so ago - and it wasn't until yesterday that I saw them both available at same time and I just needed to do it! Made a deal with the papasan and paid him 150 i/o 200 for the both of them and of course the 100 to each of them after the deed.
It was nice - not great - just nice - as they were acting like..... sisters!! Arguing, chatting, giving each other instructions, joking and whatever else whilst here was Poor Ole Joe just a side-show to their sisterly act!!
Oh well, what can I expect from doubles in china.

SEAJ

[Cowa Banga]

Forgive me guys, but any thoughts on these two videos...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP_aJ7LcAAA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coaI3d89kuA&feature=related

[Santa]

Santa, Weelock - you guys been stuck in the States TOOOOO LONG!!!
Talking about economy, Crime, demand and supply.... Man!!!

Just get out here and DO IT!!

SEAJ



It ain't that easy. Economy in chaos and too much work. Easier for you since you don't have to travel so far.

ABC News Nightline did a story about the brothels in Nevada. The mamasan said there had been a big increase in the number of girls looking to work in the clubs, due to high unemployment. She said there were still plenty of customers, but they are looking for lower prices. Consequently, she said income was down by about 30%.

[Playboy2000]

I have a questoin for you CP experts.

I've used the full sauna services at Miraton and HH a number of times over the past 18 months. Do these hotels also offer footies and/or oily massages? If they do, how attractive are the women who give the massages, and type of attire do they wear?

Also, how do you say (Pinyin) footie and oily massage in Mandardin?

Thanks!

[SE Asia Joe]

It ain't that easy. Economy in chaos and too much work. Easier for you since you don't have to travel so far.

ABC News Nightline did a story about the brothels in Nevada. The mamasan said there had been a big increase in the number of girls looking to work in the clubs, due to high unemployment. She said there were still plenty of customers, but they are looking for lower prices. Consequently, she said income was down by about 30%.
Santa Santa Santa - what did I just say???? Here you go again about the damn economy .... AGAIN!! Like I said, you've been back in the States too damn long!!

Just get back here and partake of the $20.... or less China Ladies, and you ain't gonna worry about the price of services in Nevada!!

SEAJ

[Wadman]

I have a questoin for you CP experts.

I've used the full sauna services at Miraton and HH a number of times over the past 18 months. Do these hotels also offer footies and/or oily massages? If they do, how attractive are the women who give the massages, and type of attire do they wear?

Also, how do you say (Pinyin) footie and oily massage in Mandardin?

Thanks!


HuiHua has a foot massage centre in its basement. They also do a Chinese-style body massage (i.e. no oil) there. Miraton does not have a foot/body massage place AFAIK.

Across the street from Miraton is Pozolim, a relatively new place. They do foot massage and body massages there, including oily body massage. Body masseuses are well-trained here.

There is essentially no hanky panky in these places. Masseuses are dressed in track pants. If you sweet talk the girls and get lucky, you may get a few squeezes here and there but that's about it.

If you want hanky panky, you can get a foot massage at Walter hotel. Most girls, especially the playful ones, are not that good looking. Nothing guaranteed either, but much more likely than the other places.

an4 jiao3 = foot massage
mu4 zu2 = foot massage (polite way of saying it)

tui1 you2 = "push oil" = oily body massage

Body massages usually come in the following styles:
zhong1 shi4 = Chinese style (dry massage, no oil)
tai4 shi4 = Thai style (same as Chinese style, but with some additional bending and cracking of your limbs)
gang3 shi4 = HK style (oily massage)
fa3 shi4 = french style (oily massage)
ri4 shi4 = Japanese style (oily massage)

[SE Asia Joe]

Gotta warn you guys - some of the gals here are down right NASTY looking. But one can get lucky and hit upon a half decent specimen if a bit patient. And patience is the key as this place - right across the CP rail station - is ALWAYS filled up with all sorts of mongers - both local as well as those just off the train! Thus my report to you guys ain't gonna make a hill of beans of difference as far as patronage etc is concerned. Its the best deal in CP to get a down and dirty Sauna and I figure that most local, HKG, Twn etc punters already know about it anyways!!

Anyways......

Footsies - the footsie gals are a bit better looking than the Sauna gals and are dressed in half way decent uniforms. They do the footsies in the gound floor rooms and charge RMB 50 first hour (80 mins) plus RMB40 second hour (60 mins) which implies you get a HJ. As I said, these gals are better looking than their upstairs cousins - and if you're lucky, on SUBSEQUENT visits you can hopefully convince them to also go upstairs for the flwg "upstairs" services:

Rmb 128 for an Oily massage and a HJ
RMB218 For an oily massage and a BJ
RMB338 for full service.

The upstairs gals are dressed in see-through clothing and the best way to get a half way decent looking gal is just to park yourself on the couch next to the reception counter. (and Be Patient!!). These gals will accompany their last client to the reception for him to pay the bill and that is when you can spot how they look. See a half way decent one and you'd best be advised to swoop on her and tell her to bring you upstairs. Otherwise, you'd be faced with a poor line-up of some pretty awful looking gals if you just go upstairs. (a friend of mine told me he feels they're actually grotesque!!).

All of the "upstairs" services includes the gals showering you and giving you just about ALL the "service menu" like in other saunas. The 218 option is IMHO the best deal as it includes as many pops as you can manage - and lets face it, for a sauna treatment - the gal is gonna be doing all the work - and it don't really matter much to me whether I pop in her mouth or in her pxxsy!

As I said - the best Down and Dirty Sauna/footsie deal in CP!!

SEAJ

[ManonsanBoy]

Called an old friend, mamasan from Golden Lake. She has moved over to this operation. Launching room prize: 58 RMB, 98 RMB! All sauna girls undrgo training.

Picked a slightly chubby girl from Chungching with large knockers. I knew I was in for a good session when she lightly licked my didi even before the bath whilst looking up at me salaciously.

In the weash bed, she scrubbed me down good. Washed my hair, catbath, sucked my cock, toes, fingers, anal riming,nipple to cock (very good!). Off to the bed, erotic massage. Told her not to bother with fire and ice etc. 96 then DATY. She came after vaginal tenting, vaginal farting and anal dilatation. I got so aroused I entered her bareback. She looked at me and said sia sing but grinded her pelvis against mine. I pulled out after 3 minutes and she capped me. Then we had the usual multiple positions. Shot my load missionary but she would not let me go, put her legs outside mine and begged me to keep going as she squeezed me. I did (cialis) and eventually she came and would not let me go as she recovered.

Washed me up and rested. Talked; 20 yo from outside chungching. In town for 2 months. Had worked in sauna for a year in chungchuing but still had to train again for 2 weeks. 10,000 "training fee". She says she gets horny thinking about coming to working. Most customers treat her OK.

After a while, she sucked me to erection and sucked my toes whilst doing a reverse cowgirl bareback (a present). I shot a small load into her pussy. She then squatted down with the shower and used it to ? play with herself.

A great session. 400 for girl and 58 for room.

[Weelock]

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Footsies - the footsie gals are a bit better looking than the Sauna gals and are dressed in half way decent uniforms. They do the footsies in the gound floor rooms and charge RMB 50 first hour (80 mins) plus RMB40 second hour (60 mins) which implies you get a HJ. As I said, these gals are better looking than their upstairs cousins - and if you're lucky, on SUBSEQUENT visits you can hopefully convince them to also go upstairs for the flwg "upstairs" services:

Rmb 128 for an Oily massage and a HJ
RMB218 For an oily massage and a BJ
RMB338 for full service.




50RMB first hr
+ 40RMB second hr
-------
90 RMB for two hours ( with Footsie girls )

Why is there a difference in pricing ? The upstairs price is for 128 and the downstairs price is 90 RMB. Am I corrected or wrong ?

[SE Asia Joe]

50RMB first hr
+ 40RMB second hr
-------
90 RMB for two hours ( with Footsie girls )

Why is there a difference in pricing ? The upstairs price is for 128 and the downstairs price is 90 RMB. Am I corrected ?
Yup - footsie is footsie with a HJ downstairs.
Upstairs is in a sauna room with an oily massage and a HJ.
SEAJ

[Wadman]

50RMB first hr
+ 40RMB second hr
-------
90 RMB for two hours ( with Footsie girls )

Why is there a difference in pricing ? The upstairs price is for 128 and the downstairs price is 90 RMB. Am I corrected ?

Weelock...

The first hour is longer, something like 80 minutes. First hour is a proper foot massage, with some gratuitous squeezes if the girl is friendly. Second hour (60 minutes) is billed as a Chinese massage => third leg massage.

The girls also get paid differently: 16 rmb for the first hour, 24 rmb for the second hour.

The 128 rmb price for upstairs is for a BODY massage, followed by HJ.

[Cdnlapcheong]

Across the street from Miraton is Pozolim,

ri4 shi4 = Japanese style (oily massage)Been to the POZOLIM - yes, they have great messages. Definitely no hanky panky but I had this sweet young girl who just kept teasing me by messaging my balls and starfish with her oil. That was awesome! Luckly, I was laying face down!

[Sangamotype]

I will be in Dongguan next week to check out a job there.

Thanks for all the posting and I am reading up before I go.

Any advice well taken. I will post pics if all goes well.

And if I take the job can I view this website inside of China?

[Manfest]

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Footsies - the footsie gals are a bit better looking than the Sauna gals and are dressed in half way decent uniforms. They do the footsies in the gound floor rooms and charge RMB 50 first hour (80 mins) plus RMB40 second hour (60 mins) which implies you get a HJ. As I said, these gals are better looking than their upstairs cousins - and if you're lucky, on SUBSEQUENT visits you can hopefully convince them to also go upstairs for the flwg "upstairs" services:

Rmb 128 for an Oily massage and a HJ
RMB218 For an oily massage and a BJ
RMB338 for full service.

The upstairs gals are dressed in see-through clothing and the best way to get a half way decent looking gal is just to park yourself on the couch next to the reception counter. (and Be Patient!!). These gals will accompany their last client to the reception for him to pay the bill and that is when you can spot how they look. See a half way decent one and you'd best be advised to swoop on her and tell her to bring you upstairs. Otherwise, you'd be faced with a poor line-up of some pretty awful looking gals if you just go upstairs. (a friend of mine told me he feels they're actually grotesque!!).

All of the "upstairs" services includes the gals showering you and giving you just about ALL the "service menu" like in other saunas. The 218 option is IMHO the best deal as it includes as many pops as you can manage - and lets face it, for a sauna treatment - the gal is gonna be doing all the work - and it don't really matter much to me whether I pop in her mouth or in her pxxsy!

Stopped by CP for one day last week, and went to this place (two doors down from the kung-fu fast food place, ladies in purple screaming a greeting). Setting the stage, I only had Superforce's description of the place, but do not speak any putonghua, so just signed with my hands. I agreed to the 218 RMB, but got no BJ!! The serviced shower and oily massage before and after release was very nice, and that by itself probably worth it for me. But the release was half a hand job followed by a knee job! She didn't remove all her clothes, just leaned back half naked and wrapped the back of her knee crease around my member and went back and forth until completion. This was not bad, but not great either, but certainly a first for me. I suspect they took partial advantage of an innocent and nice guy such as myself!?!

Anyway, just wanted to get this experience in this very short trip, sounded good but not as good as the Miraton sauna.

[Manfest]

As just mentioned, stopped by CP for one day. Briefly ran into CPE's friend at the Mito, but I was in a rush to get as many pops in before having to return to HK for work. It ended up being quite nice as I hit many of the haunts BillLee showed me, including the massage, barber (real hair cutting), fried dough place, etc.

Not sure if it is an accurate sampling, but walked into the HM back alley from the Lucky side, and immediately got accompanied by the runners. There seems only to be 3 shops now, and only one that was fully stocked (one with a real hair salon in the front). Maybe 25 girls, picked one for LT. No change in pricing, 50 to the mama, 400 to girl. No tip and she seemed happy.

One last note, went to the massage place in the alley where the entrance to the little sheep restaurant doorway is, and they had a GUY massage me! Will avoid that place from now on. Cheers

[Calvin Hobbs]

I will be in Dongguan next week to check out a job there.

Thanks for all the posting and I am reading up before I go.

Any advice well taken. I will post pics if all goes well.

And if I take the job can I view this website inside of China?I only get ISG when I'm in DongGuang at the Parkview.

Can't get it anywhere else.

Good luck with the job.

[Cunning Stunt]

Wow, mongering in CP is an easy thing made incredibly difficult by the language barrier. Chinese people here are amusingly like the British, in that, when they realize that this poor, ignorant sap before them has next to no knowledge of their language, they raise their voice as if this would instill instant instant comprehension. Or write it down in Chinese script, thinking no doubt that if the idiot cannot speak Chinese, he must be able to read it.

Now I realize why a virgin monger to this place must initially seek help from the sensei on this forum before traveling. Apart from the odd fool who pointlessly advises you to RTFF, I think that, on this forum in particular, there is a real appreciation of the difficulties and hence a willingness of the more experienced mongers to help out the novices. This is what makes this site so valuable and I must admit that I am now regretting being too busy, lazy or proud to approach the experts before setting out.

So, arrived in CP from Hong Kong via one night in Shenzen (where I had erred to do my research as well, so was ignorant about the mongering opportunities there too) on the last but one leg of a lengthy jaunt that started in Bali 40+ days ago. First problem was finding a taxi that knew the Lucky Hotel which I remembered had been recommended as a reasonable budget choice. ‘Ucky, ucky’ and solemn head shaking from the assembled crowd of taxi drivers that had corralled me. ‘Gorden Lak’ – more head shaking. ‘Milaton’ – ahh so, 100 or so smiling faces – they all knew that. So they proceeded to try and rip me limb from limb as half a dozen drivers try to drag me to their unlicensed cabs.

Eventually reached the Miraton after a shit fight with the driver over the fare. He wanted 20 yuan for the short trip. Had agreed 10 yuan but my nerves were getting frazzled so gave him an extra 5 to shut his squawking. Helpful bell captain spoke some Englesi and told me that the Lucky was a couple of blocks away down the main street. Checked in and then first job is to go out and buy a jacket – its getting bloody nippy in China, particularly at nights, and I have been traveling in the tropics throughout the trip.

Lots of eye contact with young ladies, some of whom whisper unintelligible endearments to me (what’s Mandarin for ‘hansum man’?) Are they FL’s on the make or just bold Chinese ladies. Couple of mamasans try to drag me down side streets to view their farms. But its still early.

At least I had the gumption to copy the last 25 pages of this forum to my laptop which is effort not wasted as the Lucky does not appear to have wi-fi and this site is probably blocked anyway. But read it and re-read it and although many references to the Jiayi and the line-up, no info on how I might find it or indeed the Swan Lake. Oh shit. Went out and walked around for a bit, trying to get my bearings. Gave up in the end and followed a mamasan to her lair behind the Hui Mei Hotel. Choice was good with about 20 girls, mostly doable. Mamasan seemed to be sure that I was a tits man (I am actually a spinner man) by pushing forward all her well endowed girls, squeezing their tits and doing everything but whip them out. One of these ‘tits’ girls had a lovely smile and a perky nature to go with her assets. Thought she will do for an hours diversion (not expecting too much).

So paid mamasan 100 with agreement that it was 100 to the girl. Tried to negotiate down to 150 but they knew I was a newbie so nothing doing. Girl was lovely natured and fun to be with (and had a nice body with fine top bollocks) but sex was only 4/10. BBBJ was OK, but not for long and had a devil of a job getting her to resume the motion. Then she appeared to assume that I was a missionary and would not entertain any other position. WTF!! Not a good intro to my China punting life. She had the cheek to beg me for a tip (I gave her 10 yuan – what a chump!). But she was cute. An hour later, I was ready to go again (so its true what they say about Chinese nibbles) but resisted the temptation as I am no longer a serial monger (too old) and want to keep my powder dry for the delights to come.

Must try the sauna’s tonight. Which is the best?

Tried to attach a photo but its hard enough trying to access this site through a proxy in a web cafe and I'm afraid the logistics of attaching a photo defeated my limited technical knowledge.

GH

[Wadman]

Stopped by CP for one day last week, and went to this place (two doors down from the kung-fu fast food place, ladies in purple screaming a greeting). Setting the stage, I only had Superforce's description of the place, but do not speak any putonghua, so just signed with my hands. I agreed to the 218 RMB, but got no BJ!! The serviced shower and oily massage before and after release was very nice, and that by itself probably worth it for me. But the release was half a hand job followed by a knee job! She didn't remove all her clothes, just leaned back half naked and wrapped the back of her knee crease around my member and went back and forth until completion. This was not bad, but not great either, but certainly a first for me. I suspect they took partial advantage of an innocent and nice guy such as myself!?!

Anyway, just wanted to get this experience in this very short trip, sounded good but not as good as the Miraton sauna.

Sounds very much like you got the 128 rmb, body massage + HJ treatment. Except they charged you for the 218 rmb BJ package.

The dick between the back of chick's knee is an upgrade of a regular HJ. Sometimes the girl will take it between her thighs, just above the knee. If you don't like this, I am sure she will do just a regular HJ.

[Wadman]

One last note, went to the massage place in the alley where the entrance to the little sheep restaurant doorway is, and they had a GUY massage me! Will avoid that place from now on. Cheers

Manfest,

No need to avoid the place. Just ask for a girl to do the massage. That's what I do if a guy comes my way. If your Mandarin skills are lacking, use sign language: point to a girl, point to your yourself, make massage motions with your hands.

[Wadman]

Haha, LOL, fun report. Newbies can take a clue from this: if you are going to ask questions, try to contribute at least by telling your experiences. (and yes, I am aware that Gamahucher is a senior member, and a newbie to this thread only...)


Wow, mongering in CP is an easy thing made incredibly difficult by the language barrier. Chinese people here are amusingly like the British, in that, when they realize that this poor, ignorant sap before them has next to no knowledge of their language, they raise their voice as if this would instill instant instant comprehension. Or write it down in Chinese script, thinking no doubt that if the idiot cannot speak Chinese, he must be able to read it.


I am guessing that you are ethnic Chinese, or at least Asian. Most mainland Chinese figure that if you are of Chinese origin, you must be able to speak some dialect. And can read as well. They did the same to me when I first got to China, and couldn't speak a lick.



So, arrived in CP from Hong Kong via one night in Shenzen (where I had erred to do my research as well, so was ignorant about the mongering opportunities there too) on the last but one leg of a lengthy jaunt that started in Bali 40+ days ago. First problem was finding a taxi that knew the Lucky Hotel which I remembered had been recommended as a reasonable budget choice. ‘Ucky, ucky’ and solemn head shaking from the assembled crowd of taxi drivers that had corralled me. ‘Gorden Lak’ – more head shaking. ‘Milaton’ – ahh so, 100 or so smiling faces – they all knew that. So they proceeded to try and rip me limb from limb as half a dozen drivers try to drag me to their unlicensed cabs.


Lucky Hotel = Hao3 Yun4 Jiu3 Dian4

"Gorden Lak" = Swanlake?
Swanlake = Tian1 E3 Hu2

Miraton = Mei3 Yi2 Deng1

So as you can see, Miraton is the only one where the English and Mandarin pronounciation are somewhat close. The other two are not even close, and locals here usually go by the Chinese name of the hotel.



So paid mamasan 100 with agreement that it was 100 to the girl. Tried to negotiate down to 150 but they knew I was a newbie so nothing doing.


Yes, it's tougher if you are an obvious newbie to CP. But not impossible. The laowais who know what they are doing get 150 ST there too. Try walking out if mama insists on 200.



Must try the sauna’s tonight. Which is the best?


Best high end saunas in CP:
- HuiHua sauna, huihua hotel the big hotel is behind Miraton
- Virgin sauna, Virgin hotel is Jin1Yue4 in Chinese.