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Munchie

08-01-09, 18:19

This report is a little out of date but still adds grist to the mill

Short report on Annies

Been there 3 times first time 2005. And in the past I have thought of it as good place for a newbie to start off their BK massage experience ie it not too intimidating. Girls can be a little rough/ older but the set up with the bath and massage and the 2 pops is sound.

First time I wrote a postive report about my experienece (on this forum somewhere in the mists of time)

2nd time was in 2006 with Tom I think. I asked if any of the girls did it "in back" and Tom does!. She was one of the older/ experineced ladies (or maybe they all are! ? ). It was an OK session but quite mechanical sex and very little rappour (and I am not someone who expects GFE from such an establishment).

The last time (so far! ) was June 2007 I asked the mamasan to advise me this time and got Aey. Who is again an older lady. She was OK but again very, very mechanical. More so than Tom. I really felt like I was getting serviced by someone with well over 20 years experience. It was like she was making a cup of tea.

But what really put me off the place was that it was damp, dank and dark and perhaps dirty. After going to one of the rooms we had to wait for about 30 minutes or more for the hot water to come on!. When you have come in for some bath focussed massage and boom boom this was not a good start. There were also mosquities flying around the room! Like a lot of people have said before, they need to referbish the place. Plough some money back in.

Consequently I didn't visit on my recent trip in July but I would not say never again.

Cheers

Munchie

Aslan

08-01-09, 18:44

Annie's is now charging 1700 for girls that aren't that good looking and 2500 for the self-proclaimed stars. I chose one of the stars recently and was very disappointed. She was letter "K" and looked nice until the clothes came off. Two kids and a hurry up attitude didn't do it for me so I actually got my clothes on after the first pop and walked out the door without the girl. I used to really like the place, but the price now does not justify the quality and service I've had on this trip and my last short trip earlier this year. Don't think I will return after this last trip.

Aslan

08-01-09, 19:35

Seems logical to release an employee if there are complaints about service. One person having a bad experience could just be a misunderstand, but multiple complaints warrants action. This is, after all, a service we're paying for and the business depends on our willingness to walk in the door. I should have confidence when I walk in the door that all the girls are there to provide a service and I shouldn't have to consult anyone unless I'm looking for something in particular. Aey could be pushing a particular girl because that girl isn't getting any customers. What is the motivation behind the action? All the girls should have a respectful attitude and I should have the same as a patron. What I experienced was disrespectful no matter how you look at it.

Dan7373

08-01-09, 20:41

....This is, after all, a service we're paying for and the business depends on our willingness to walk in the door. I should have confidence when I walk in the door that all the girls are there to provide a service and I shouldn't have to consult anyone unless I'm looking for something in particular....
Perhaps there is some cultural misunderstanding involved here.

The lady you go with at the massage parlor doesn't become your servant, just because you've paid some money. She is a free person just like you are. But in return for your monetary favor she agrees to be your girlfriend or your very short-term common-law wife for a time.

When a guy supports his wife and provides for her in every way. Then this doesn't mean that she is his sex-slave. And she must do everything he wants her to do. And it's the same with all sexual relationships, including the ones at the massage parlors.

There is some propaganda in western countries where the media tries to portray sex-workers as sex-slaves. But such portrayal isn't true, at least not in Thailand. And you shouldn't expect something like that when you deal with the massage ladies.

Not every friendship and not every common-law marriage works out well, regardless of how much of your time and your money you invest in it. That's just how life is. And the best thing to do is move on to some other lady who might work out better for you.

Aey Annies

08-02-09, 00:08

once more your girl nicole is lying! before she changed her mind, we had 1 hour no sex, because she was sleeping! so to check the information you are giving and the information she is giving as i have to be in the middle, she had one hours sleep. then you woke her up yes? she woke up then there was a discussion of sex again, or you just woke her up and had your dick in her face and said more etc etc. again as before miss x is a soft slow person with gfe and intelligence good for diner dates and slow sensual times, waking up with a dick in her face or something like this after a large meal and several sessions, she is not the right lady, number 75 is the right lady. so again it goes back to before, i agree with you she is not good for hard core banging and this is the truth. this is 12 or 75, maybe d and 62 plus some others. i would not recommend number 75 for nice soft diner dates and a sensual time as she would be bored within seconds and be grabbing your cock at the dinner table.

i can understand you protect as pimp your girl! this is not protection this is me trying to explain to members of this forum how to get the best out of annie’s. every other forum in the world about this type of industry in bangkok seems to understand how it works with us. i will try again here, i understand there are specialist places, [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)’s for example. they have about 20 ladies and all of them are specialist in bbbj, if went in there and had a bad bbbj then i can see a good reason to complain. if you went into [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)’s and took a lady and tried to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in her eye then asked for a good bdsm session and you did not get it, i think this is a bit out of order as you complained in bbbj specialist place. when it comes to annie’s we offer as much as we can with the over 90 ladies on our books. we have specialist in almost every area that a man, women or couples could want. different colour skins sizes ages etc. going in and choosing one lady and hoping she is a banging machine without asking in any place not just ours may lead to issues unless you go to a place that specialises in banging machines. do not go to kangaroo club and take lady and then complain about her english and conversation not being good as ladies in there normally have z penis in there mouth and are not used to talking much. if you have a place like ours that cover near to it all do not take it by chance. ask.

but nicole is not telling the truth! well which bit as at no point have i disagreed with you. i have agreed with you and added that she explained to you that she wanted a rest, she is not your slave, our ladies are more than willing to stay with you for there full time and a little more to make you happy. sometimes i am sure in your job you just need a rest even after a dinner break maybe there are many reason and things in a persons mind even more so if you are doing something that you are really not good at and having issues with but trying you best. what if you boos keeps on banging on at you wanting more and more and more even after you saying please give me 10 and they say, “no do it now” how would you feel. maybe a quick trip to the toilet for a 10 minute break or whatever, the fact is you are there in front of her and what does she do next. mentally and physically tied maybe even scared. would it have hurt to give her 10 minutes when she asked as she did, not say no, she only said give me a rest.

my intention is to warn the readers!

once more: don t take this nr. "x", nicole!yes i want to warn readers as well, x is no good as a sex machine, do not choose her, if you come in and ask for me a sex machine i will not advise her to you. i am agreeing with you and i am not saying you are lying. then again i will post that 75 is a great conversational women. read these words “no x for hard core” 75 please. pleas no 75 for long conversation and slow sensual times she is bad for this. i am warning you.

Aey Annies

08-02-09, 00:12

2005,2006,2007I am sure you will notice many large changes in the last 2 years. Mainly due to the nice constructive criticism we have been receiving (on other forums) and our ability to listen and change in such areas as water, aircon, rooms, ladies, choices, entrance area, restaurant downstairs, bar area etc etc.

Aey Annies

08-02-09, 00:25

annie's is now charging 1700 for girls that aren't that good looking and 2500 for the self-proclaimed stars.the quality of the 1700bt price point has not changed and in fact we are lucky and have now some very pretty ladies at this price. i have already added some pictures of these. ladies such as 33,37,35,75 etc and more to come. at no point have i said or posted that the sideline ladies are “stars”.

i chose one of the stars recently and was very disappointed. she was letter "k" and looked nice until the clothes came off. two kids and a hurry up attitude didn't do it for me so i actually got my clothes on after the first pop and walked out the door without the girl.she has no children and as such no body rep001s, letter k could you please explain what she looks like as your description does not match what she looks like so far. also if one of out ladies is not to you liking when the clothes come off as you explained, say sorry put your clothes and walk out, say please aey can i change the lady or have my money back and do you know what we would do? we would change the lady or give you your money back. it is very easy. or you can sit in the room squeeze out one climax with a women that you do not like the look of and is rushing you, run out the room then moan on a forum. losses are, you me and the lady. if you came out and explained to us the issues the winners are you me and the next lady.

i used to really like the place, but the price now does not justify the quality and service i've had on this trip and my last short trip earlier this year. don't think i will return after this last trip.the price has not changed it is the same all we have done is added another line of better looking ladies like what was asked for by this forum.

Aey Annies

08-02-09, 00:51

Seems logical to release an employee if there are complaints about service.Yes I agree

One person having a bad experience could just be a misunderstand, but multiple complaints warrants action.Yes I agree and?

I should have confidence when I walk in the door that all the girls are there to provide a serviceYes they are and?

and I shouldn't have to consult anyone unless I'm looking for something in particular.What is “particular”. I can cut and paste posts from other forums that it say I did not like number XXX because she was to slow and no action, she spent to long massaging me and talking to me I will never go there again. Then I can show you post saying next, do not take XXX as she is all bang and I like a women with GFE that spends time with me not rushing me into sex and I like a long strong massage which I did not get I will never go there again. If you had any idea the 100’a and 100’s of customers we get, of course there are times when we do not get it right but it is amazing that it is only really on this forum that it seems to be posted about and mainly posted by members with max 30-40 ish post or less. Why do they all finish with almost the same ending?

I like what you posted above misunderstand. I think it is more
“none communication” explain what you want and you will get it, do not walk in to a room with 50 ladies in it and guess that the one you go with offers great massage as she may not, she may offer the best Deep throat but be bad at massage...

Aey could be pushing a particular girl because that girl isn't getting any customers. What is the motivation behind the action?This is true but not to the point of being bad to the customer. If a customers asks for a lady that is good a soapy we will offer first as a recommendation a lady that is good at this but has had less work This works 2 fold,
1 As she has not been getting much work she will we hope try extra hard to offer you the best she can even more we hope than the lady that is good at soapy which has been chosen 6 times already that day.
2 Against the belief of one poster on here we take care of our staff and what we do is if a lady is not getting much work lets help her let’s make it worth her time lets treat our staff nicely.

This also means that if a customer asks for a lady that has great BBBJ techniaue we are not going to advise a lady that has not worked that day that has bad BBBJ technique.

All the girls should have a respectful attitude and I should have the same as a patron.I agree all staff in any company should treat customer with respect and also all customer we want to treat our ladies with equal respect.

What I experienced was disrespectful no matter how you look at it.Wait wait wait, now from a rushed time to being disrespectful. May I ask when you found out that you did not like the way the lady looked then felt rushed but you still forced out one climax and now she was disrespectful did you explain this to us and give us the opportunity to make it better. Even after she was disrespectful to you.

It’s like buying a big mac and the box you are given says big mac, you open it and there is a fish burger, would you not just go to the counter and say sorry I did do want a fish burger please can I have my money back or give me a big mac, not eat 50% of it and then throw the remainder away.

Csun213

08-02-09, 04:43

First I have to say that I have never been to Annie but was interested in going because I had read some great reviews in the past however after reading quite of few of not so good reviews and warnings that your experience may be different from the good reviewers, I now don't think there is any reason to pick Annie over the other places.

I mean it is hit or miss at the other places also vs the same at Annie.

The prices with tip is just about the same as other places.

So to me (at least for now) Annie is just like another place, I think Tulip might be a better experience for me. From their reviews, great service (just about every time, at least by all the reviewers) and at the same price (for sideline price at Annie).

Please let me know if I am wrong.

Aslan

08-02-09, 05:57

Perhaps there is some cultural misunderstanding involved here.

The lady you go with at the massage parlor doesn't become your servant, just because you've paid some money. She is a free person just like you are. But in return for your monetary favor she agrees to be your girlfriend or your very short-term common-law wife for a time.

When a guy supports his wife and provides for her in every way. Then this doesn't mean that she is his sex-slave. And she must do everything he wants her to do. And it's the same with all sexual relationships, including the ones at the massage parlors.

There is some propaganda in western countries where the media tries to portray sex-workers as sex-slaves. But such portrayal isn't true, at least not in Thailand. And you shouldn't expect something like that when you deal with the massage ladies.

Not every friendship and not every common-law marriage works out well, regardless of how much of your time and your money you invest in it. That's just how life is. And the best thing to do is move on to some other lady who might work out better for you.

Well, Dan, I gotta tell you...I did say I used to like the place and do understand how this works. How it went in your mind from my having a few bad experiences to sexual slavery is beyond me.

Aslan

08-02-09, 06:39

Wait wait wait, now from a rushed time to being disrespectful. May I ask when you found out that you did not like the way the lady looked then felt rushed but you still forced out one climax and now she was disrespectful did you explain this to us and give us the opportunity to make it better. Even after she was disrespectful to you.

It’s like buying a big mac and the box you are given says big mac, you open it and there is a fish burger, would you not just go to the counter and say sorry I did do want a fish burger please can I have my money back or give me a big mac, not eat 50% of it and then throw the remainder away.

Yea, but you don't return the fish burger after you ate half of it, right?

You are, of course, promoting a business and have an interest in keeping your business so I don't expect you to do anything but look at it from that perspective. Question is what interest do I have in hurting your business? I'm not the competition. I'm just a customer that had a negative experience and thought I'd let other people know about it. What does the number of posts I have on the board have anything to do with it? You're suggesting I'm not being truthful? I don't make it a point to report everything I do. I don't expect you to concede there may be a problem with staff because doing so will cost you business. This board is for information and not promotion in my opinion.

I said it could have been a misunderstanding and gave the girl the benefit of the doubt. I paid for a certain amount of time and didn't ask for anything strange. Without getting into too much detail I will say she was disrespectful and that is why I left after the first (that would be half a fish burger for you) and didn't ask for anything. What are you going to do, give me half a refund? A girl doesn't have to have a perfect body and I don't care if she has kids if she has a good attitude. Attitude is more important that a perfect shape. Telling me I'm not finishing fast enough and asking if I like ladyboys after about five minutes isn't good customer service.

If you must know this is the second bad experience I had in the past year there. Last November I was with one of the ladies and her child was outside the door just after the soapy part of the session which kind of killed the mood for me. The girl explained it was her six year old daughter and I felt bad for being there in that situation so I ended the session, tipped the girl, and left. She was very nice and said she was sorry. Cute girl. I don't remember her name, but she had a large chest and was a little older. I was just surprised that a child would be allowed to walk around there and just considered it an isolated incident and never said anything else about it. In fairness, I've never seen a child there before or since and I've been coming to Bangkok for years and have been to Annie's quite a few times.

You are telling me that your prices have not changed in the past 10 years other than the addition of the more expensive girls? That isn't true. If I remember correctly the price was 1,300 for everyone within the past few years.

Aey Annies

08-02-09, 08:39

Yea, but you don't return the fish burger after you ate half of it, right? No you said that when she took off her clothes that you noticed she was not to your taste. Then you carried on. So you opened a box looked at it and found out it was a fish burger. Do not eat It, change it, not a problem for us you’re the customer.

What does the number of posts I have on the board have anything to do with it? On other forums I agree but on this one if anyone says good things about my place a poster comes out and says something like that’s not real the poster is new. If anyone sys something not good about my place on here even if it is there first post it is all ok. I am just repeating the sentiment of what I have seen on here nothing else. If you are a customer it does not matter if you have never posted before and you send me an email or better changed you fish burger so we could have made sure you had a great session.

(that would be half a fish burger for you) and didn't ask for anything. What are you going to do, give me half a refund?You open the box it is not what you want, do not continue, you get a refund or a new lady. If you are soldering on through the lady you do not like the look of and is disrespectful to you stop finish the session come and talk to me, change the lady get a refund. It’s simple.

Telling me I'm not finishing fast enough and asking if I like ladyboys after about five minutes isn't good customer service. Stop walk out change the lady ask for a refund. Explain this to me or the on duty mamasan, this is customer service. Let us know there and then lets is make sure you have a good time. OK so you do not like a women asking you what you may like outside of the norm like “do you like lady boys”, do you like women with long feet, do you like orange juice, do you like warm weather, do you like to be hit with but sticks, as I have a set in my locker.

If you must know this is the second bad experience I had in the past year there. Last November I was with one of the ladies and her child was outside the door just after the soapy part of the session which kind of killed the mood for me. The girl explained it was her six year old daughter and I felt bad for being there in that situation so I ended the session, tipped the girl, and left. She was very nice and said she was sorry. Cute girl. I don't remember her name, but she had a large chest and was a little older. I was just surprised that a child would be allowed to walk around there and just considered it an isolated incident and never said anything else about it. In fairness, I've never seen a child there before or since and I've been coming to Bangkok for years and have been to Annie's quite a few times. We have built out the back away from the customers a specialist area with some nannies to take care of children. This is free of charge and is well maintained, I can only assume that one of the children was quickly being walked out side of the play area for some reason, not so sure, I am sorry about this and I will speak to the on duty Nannies about it, thanks for that, it is not good.

Again another benefit for the ladies that according to one poster on here we do not take care of.

You are telling me that your prices have not changed in the past 10 years other than the addition of the more expensive girls? That isn't true. If I remember correctly the price was 1,300 for everyone within the past few years.This is not true. What I said was in the last 18 years there has been ones price increase 1500bt to 1700bt. The 200bt that went direct to the lady not the house.

Member #4285

08-02-09, 14:41

OK so you do not like a women asking you what you may like outside of the norm like “do you like lady boys”, do you like women with long feet, do you like orange juice, do you like warm weather, do you like to be hit with but sticks, as I have a set in my locker.
Okey, now wait a little second..

I have not been in this debat due to I have never been at Annies or even in the country and cant say anything then just reed reports and ask question. I will soon arrive and then I can say this and that. But even I understand that the girl was sarcastic when she asked Aslan "do you like ladyboys" like "hey, you dont turn on me, maybe you like little boys, do you?" I dont think she asked in a genuine way. Or is it standard to ask this to customers in MP's in Thailand? Then I stand corrected.

I will try Annies when I arrive, because the best way is to see everything with own eyes. Like with everything els, if I dont like a place I just dont go back.

We have built out the back away from the customers a specialist area with some nannies to take care of children. This is free of charge and is well maintained, I can only assume that one of the children was quickly being walked out side of the play area for some reason, not so sure, I am sorry about this and I will speak to the on duty Nannies about it, thanks for that, it is not good.
Did not know there was a kindergarten in the house. Im wont say I'm chocked, just a little suprised. And I understund that this is necessary in many ways and a service to the ladies. But still, a little suprised. Thats all.

Suntangh R

08-02-09, 16:27

No you said that when she took off her clothes that you noticed she was not to your taste. Then you carried on. So you opened a box looked at it and found out it was a fish burger. Do not eat It, change it, not a problem for us you’re the customer.

On other forums I agree but on this one if anyone says good things about my place a poster comes out and says something like that’s not real the poster is new. If anyone sys something not good about my place on here even if it is there first post it is all ok. I am just repeating the sentiment of what I have seen on here nothing else. If you are a customer it does not matter if you have never posted before and you send me an email or better changed you fish burger so we could have made sure you had a great session.

You open the box it is not what you want, do not continue, you get a refund or a new lady. If you are soldering on through the lady you do not like the look of and is disrespectful to you stop finish the session come and talk to me, change the lady get a refund. It’s simple.

Stop walk out change the lady ask for a refund. Explain this to me or the on duty mamasan, this is customer service. Let us know there and then lets is make sure you have a good time. OK so you do not like a women asking you what you may like outside of the norm like “do you like lady boys”, do you like women with long feet, do you like orange juice, do you like warm weather, do you like to be hit with but sticks, as I have a set in my locker.

We have built out the back away from the customers a specialist area with some nannies to take care of children. This is free of charge and is well maintained, I can only assume that one of the children was quickly being walked out side of the play area for some reason, not so sure, I am sorry about this and I will speak to the on duty Nannies about it, thanks for that, it is not good.

Again another benefit for the ladies that according to one poster on here we do not take care of.

This is not true. What I said was in the last 18 years there has been ones price increase 1500bt to 1700bt. The 200bt that went direct to the lady not the house.I have been to Annies twice and I have been well looked after. I have sat at the bar, had my Scotch, had interesting conversations with Aey and the gentleman author from Norway.

If folks have had a problem once, I think they should be generous, and forgive and forget. If it is a recurrent problem that a few people encounter, but the majority don't, then you guys need to do some serious thinking. I think there is no place for crudity, vulgarity, and violence. The ladies may be charging money for their services, but I would refrain from using words like prostitute (semantics aside, a little class does no harm); and calling Aey a pimp.

As for Aey, much that I have enjoyed your place, your replies tend to get a wee bit defensive and cynical too. This is just a suggestion. Don't take it amiss.

NicFrenchy

08-02-09, 17:13

OK so you do not like a women asking you what you may like outside of the norm like “do you like lady boys”, do you like women with long feet, do you like orange juice, do you like warm weather, do you like to be hit with but sticks, as I have a set in my locker.

What the girl says is meaningless, it is the manner in which she says it that can be offensive. From what Aslan experienced, he did not "come" fast enough for the likes of the lady so instead of thinking about the fact that she might have been lousy, she tried to be sarcastic with the ladyboy question. I think this was an ego defense, she could not accept that maybe she was not exciting anough for the customer to finish?

Aey, come on, "do you like lady with long feet"? stop trying to justify everything, and for once admit that the girl fucked up. Plain and simple.

Aslan

08-02-09, 17:19

No you said that when she took off her clothes that you noticed she was not to your taste. Then you carried on. So you opened a box looked at it and found out it was a fish burger. Do not eat It, change it, not a problem for us you’re the customer.

Stop walk out change the lady ask for a refund. Explain this to me or the on duty mamasan, this is customer service. Let us know there and then lets is make sure you have a good time. OK so you do not like a women asking you what you may like outside of the norm like “do you like lady boys”, do you like women with long feet, do you like orange juice, do you like warm weather, do you like to be hit with but sticks, as I have a set in my locker.

We have built out the back away from the customers a specialist area with some nannies to take care of children. This is free of charge and is well maintained, I can only assume that one of the children was quickly being walked out side of the play area for some reason, not so sure, I am sorry about this and I will speak to the on duty Nannies about it, thanks for that, it is not good.

I said a girl not having a perfect shape isn't the most important thing. Attitude goes a long way. Besides, I think it would have been rude of me to walk out and say I didn't like the way she looked. I never said she was not attractive in the least, but was surprised that she was on the superstar side. I just looked at that part of the situation as being my fault for not being more specific. I think it would help in the choosing process to know if the girl has children or not. I suggest a photo book added to the lineup. A customer could then reference a girl he thinks he likes with bikini pictures or something like that since the clothing that is worn usually covers quite a bit more than you would see in a go go bar. This would help the choosing process and eliminate the embarrassment to the girl if the customer wasn't pleased with what he saw when the clothes came off. This seems reasonable and I'd like to think the men here have a little more respect for the women than to look at them without their clothes and walk out.

Well, the combination of asking me why I have not finished within about five minutes coupled with asking me if I like ladyboys was a bit much. The first time she said it I took it as jest and laughed it off because I do have a sense of humor, but the second time and further third time she suggesting I should go to Patpong because there were lots of ladyboys. That was a too much and it didn't really didn't help my mood. I felt it was a passive-aggressive way for her to suggest I get the hell out.

I think it interesting you've never quoted anything I said about you promoting your business and I'm wondering how many of these "good faith" refunds you've actually given to date. It is also interesting that you have not offered a refund or freebie to me since the session never was really finished and I am using the forum to voice my opinion, but you've only attacked my number of posts as not being credible. I have no reason to want to harm your business, but I am entitled to voice my experience here as a service to other patrons. I'm not looking for anything free here. I just look at it as a negative experience.

I don't know how I feel about having children walking around in that environment and the potential for something to go very wrong with a customer or with the police since prostitution is illegal in Thailand. I didn't understand there was a daycare on site and I'm glad you cleared that up for me. The child wasn't being walked through because I could hear her voice in the hallway from the drying off part of the session to the getting comfortable on the bed part. Perhaps a different exit could be used if the children must be cared for on site. I think it would be better if no children were kept in that environment, but it is the mothers choice to allow this or not. At least with a second exit the children would have no contact with customers that hang out at the bar or are walking up the stairs. How can you only have one exit? Aren't you concerned about fires?

By the way, I've always been interested in knowing how much of the money given to the house goes to the girls, but since you are so concerned about the well being of the girls I'm sure it is a substantial amount.

Crazyazn

08-02-09, 19:21

What is b-course?

Re your request, maybe it's best you look yourself since one guys
pretty can be another guys ugly.

Have you looked at the pics on the websites?

http://www.anniesbangkok.com/Girls.html

http://www.anniesbangkok.com/anniesgirls.htmlI am referring to any prior experiences with any of the side line girls (R,B,P) for b-course (body slide). I am very limited on my time and i'm trying to get as much info as i can, so that i can make a more informed decision when i get there. Plus by calling them up couple of days before i get there i can book the girl i want.

Aey Annies

08-02-09, 20:00

I am signing of this forum again, I tired, sorry for the people that have emailed me and asked me to post again but it’s a waste of my time. No matter what I say, even if I say the sky is blue I get no its not its green. The international moaners guide as I see it and many others do also is here for one thing, moaning. Even places that before seem to only get rave reviews only get bad ones for the most. Really look, at the amount there are so many members that have moved to other forums, in the last few weeks especially. I will chat to you all on other forums and if you have any questions or I can help please PM me elsewhere or email direct, as I say I am here to help.

It only takes a simple mind to work out what is happening to this forum, not the rest. If we are so bad, as bad as the few posters on here trying to prove and keep on and on and on again and again trying to prove like a full time job, the question is why spend hours and hours trying to prove a point. If I do not like my burger I may post it on forum if another person disagrees and they like that burger then ok I will not argue the point unless I am the burger stand owner. Why are these off few spending hours and days trying to prove a tiny little point about a working girl in Bangkok unless it is your job. Annie’s is mine so I have a reason, what is yours?

What I find even more interesting is these posters all with 40 posts max have a minimum 10% of there replies (at the moment and will grow I am sure) only about trying to prove a point about my place a so bad nothing thing in Bangkok that do not like. We must be so important, If I do not like something I ignore it keep away from it, not spend hours on it.

In reply to Nic a poster I hold in much respect for his very honest and correct reviews, the most requested thing for a man with a foot fetish is long feet or toes. Fact.
This is why I gave it as an example to show I know this industry very well.

Good luck to you all and I hope you have a great time in Thailand.

Dan7373

08-02-09, 20:09

.... Again as before Miss X is a soft slow person with GFE and intelligence good for diner dates and slow sensual times, waking up with a dick in her face or something like this after a large meal and several sessions, she is not the right lady, number 75 is the right lady. So again it goes back to before, I agree with you she is not good for hard core banging and this is the truth. This is 12 or 75, maybe D and 62 plus some others. I would not recommend number 75 for nice soft diner dates and a sensual time as she would be bored within seconds and be grabbing your cock at the dinner table....

Perhaps the problem is that some farangs come to your place after they've been without a woman for many months. The guy's need is great. He is sex-starved. And only a lady who is good for hard-core banging or two ordinary ladies taking turns with him can satisfy him well.

But after the guy has had a few hard-core banging sessions like that. And he is more or less sexually satisfied. Then he probably would enjoy more being with a quiet lady who pampers him as her boyfriend and satisfies his loneliness in a sensual kind of way rather than her constantly grabbing his dick under the table and making him perform for her.

Perhaps you and your staff should ask the guys who come to your place how long they've been without a woman. And if it has been a long time. Then tell the guy that an ordinary lady might not be able to satisfy him. He needs to take either two ladies, or take a lady who is good at hard-core banging.

That way your customers will end up choosing the right ladies for themselves. And they won't have anything to complain about.

A guy who has been starving for food for a long time, eats a lot more and faster too than a guy who ate his dinner just a few hours ago. And the same is true for having sex too.

All you need to do is identify the sex-starving guys among your customers. Warn them that an ordinary lady might not be able satisfy them well. And help these guys choose ladies who understand what's going on and are able to satisfy these guys the hard-core way.

Aslan

08-02-09, 20:26

BionicMan

08-02-09, 22:38

At the beginning I thought it was weird to split the BKK MP forum in three (all but Tulip and Annie's, Tulip only, Annie's only)

Now I see it was kind of wise.

The debate that went on for the past hours (days?) can wreck a serious monger trying to get information on where to go and what service one can expect.

In truth one could learn the attitude of Aey toward customer service and provider fringe benefits.

But it takes hours of reading through an endless set of accusations, defends and so on and so on.

Each one tried to make a point to no avail.

No winners, all loosers, also the third parties readers, voluntary victims (by the fact they inisted to read, even if quickly)

As an outsider (never been to Annie's) I can see Aey's arguments have some substance. How can an establishment run so long if the girls are crap, the place sucks, the grils are badly treated, the service is awful?

Could it be a typical tourist place, ripping off one-timers? If that woul dbe the case, they would not be bothered to anser on forums. The tourists to be ripped off are not regular members or readers of forums like ISG. Few bad experiences reported here and there would not make the MP loose many customers, as a whole.

I think a degree of respect has to be paid to Aey for the time taken, the humour in giving down to earth examples (the meat burger vs. the fish burger just hilarious but appropriate), not only to argue and "defend" the establishment, but also to convince the unhappy monger in a good and polite manner.

I agree I was surprised to read about the kid "escaping" from the kindergarten and found in the proximity of the working area.

A bit disturbing (maybe for our own sense of being guilty being mongerers?)
Then you put things in perspective, you figure out how sex is rated in general in the thaì habits, how a WG is not judged as bad as it is in other cultures (obviously they do not put that profession intheir business card back home!), how much is kind of normal being a WG, full time or part time (surely, not a profession they aimed when they were kids and at school they asked them what do you want to do when you grow up), and then you understand that the matter was not so weird as it could appear I am not stating it is perfectly legitimate, not at all, and even Aey was concerned.

But one has to look at it with a thai eye as well.

IMHO

PS one thing I learnt. I do not know whether I will ever visit Annie's but a clear point was made here for the benfit of the customer: express your wishes and you will get what you aim to.

So, brothers, do not be starfish as some girls: act and ask!

Fast Eddie 48

08-03-09, 00:13

At the beginning I thought it was weird to split the BKK MP forum in three (all but Tulip and Annie's, Tulip only, Annie's only)

Now I see it was kind of wise.

The debate that went on for the past hours (days?) can wreck a serious monger trying to get information on where to go and what service one can expect.

In truth one could learn the attitude of Aey toward customer service and provider fringe benefits.

But it takes hours of reading through an endless set of accusations, defends and so on and so on.

Each one tried to make a point to no avail

No winners, all loosers, also the third parties readers, voluntary victims (by the fact they inisted to read, even if quickly)

As an outsider (never been to Annie's) I can see Aey's arguments have some substance. How can an establishment run so long if the girls are crap, the place sucks, the grils are badly treated, the service is awful?

Could it be a typical tourist place, ripping off one-timers? If that woul dbe the case, they would not be bothered to anser on forums. The tourists to be ripped off are not regular members or readers of forums like ISG. Few bad experiences reported here and there would not make the MP loose many customers, as a whole.

I think a degree of respect has to be paid to Aey for the time taken, the humour in giving down to earth examples (the meat burger vs. the fish burger just hilarious but appropriate), not only to argue and "defend" the establishment, but also to convince the unhappy monger in a good and polite manner.

I agree I was surprised to read about the kid "escaping" from the kindergarten and found in the proximity of the working area.

A bit disturbing (maybe for our own sense of being guilty being mongerers?)

Then you put things in perspective, you figure out how sex is rated in general in the thaì habits, how a WG is not judged as bad as it is in other cultures (obviously they do not put that profession intheir business card back home!), how much is kind of normal being a WG, full time or part time (surely, not a profession they aimed when they were kids and at school they asked them what do you want to do when you grow up), and then you understand that the matter was not so weird as it could appearI am not stating it is perfectly legitimate, not at all, and even Aey was concerned.

But one has to look at it with a thai eye as well.

IMHO

PS one thing I learnt. I do not know whether I will ever visit Annie's but a clear point was made here for the benfit of the customer: express your wishes and you will get what you aim to.

So, brothers, do not be starfish as some girls: act and ask!To Bionciman

I think Annie have a great location just down the st from NEP, for someone that don't know Bangkok well and are too lazy to go far, I been there 2 time and have bad experience will never go back. If this place locate at soi 31 where about 8 massage place at they will not survive.

All this bad commended on this forum make monger like you courious about this place and like to give it a try, this mean more business for Aey but it will not be repeat business. She need to listen to her customer more and fix the problem instead of keep replying with a bunch of BS in this forum that don't make any sense.

Best of luck to you

Fast Eddie 48

The Pro

08-03-09, 01:27

Annies (and in fact Darling on Soi 12) do ok as they are old established places. When the other choices in the Sukhumvit area were not there, and traffic was bad and there was no BTS and MTR then Darling and Annies offered the soapy experience without the travel hassles.

Out of Nana hotels and into Annies for a soapy, its only competition is Darlings which is further away down soi 12.

They have an established clientele and its why Annies is so well defended on the internet forums as many older people use it out of habit and loyalty.

If you want to summarise you can say for those that want to purely have sex with prettier younger girls then you go to the oil massage places around Sukhumvit (in partuclar Soi's 24 - 26 - 33 - 31 - 24/1 etc..)

If you want an old fashioned bath soapy and you cannot be bothered to go to Ratchadapisek, you go to Annies or Darling.

I used to use Annies often in the past years ago when I needed a shower with the fuck. Now that so many places offer this service there is no need for me to use Annies (and in what is my opinion the fact they are often older and generally not so pretty, I used to overlook that for the convenience and shower/bath but now there is no need to anymore).

The trouble with the internet forums is ;

Annies has a hardcore of users who are internet posters, and they try to help Aey.

Aey uses the internet to promote her business.

There are a lot of people who do not care about Annies, but also feel its downright misleading half the stuff being posted by the hardcore supporters.

Aey attempts to cover the "all in charge" the place runs on with some pretty words on how she treats the girls. The actual reality is often not the same as a reader of ISG might imagine.

I would suggest people do this :

1/ Try Annies on Soi 4.
2/ Try Snow White on Soi 26
3/ Try Tulip at Thonglor BTS.
4/ Try Orient on Soi 24
5/ Try Dream on Soi 31

And after doing those 5, detail the enviroment, ther service level, the prices paid, the level of girls etc... and lets compare.

At the beginning I thought it was weird to split the BKK MP forum in three (all but Tulip and Annie's, Tulip only, Annie's only)

Now I see it was kind of wise.

The debate that went on for the past hours (days?) can wreck a serious monger trying to get information on where to go and what service one can expect.

In truth one could learn the attitude of Aey toward customer service and provider fringe benefits.

But it takes hours of reading through an endless set of accusations, defends and so on and so on.

Each one tried to make a point to no avail

No winners, all loosers, also the third parties readers, voluntary victims (by the fact they inisted to read, even if quickly)

As an outsider (never been to Annie's) I can see Aey's arguments have some substance. How can an establishment run so long if the girls are crap, the place sucks, the grils are badly treated, the service is awful?

Could it be a typical tourist place, ripping off one-timers? If that woul dbe the case, they would not be bothered to anser on forums. The tourists to be ripped off are not regular members or readers of forums like ISG. Few bad experiences reported here and there would not make the MP loose many customers, as a whole.

I think a degree of respect has to be paid to Aey for the time taken, the humour in giving down to earth examples (the meat burger vs. the fish burger just hilarious but appropriate), not only to argue and "defend" the establishment, but also to convince the unhappy monger in a good and polite manner.

I agree I was surprised to read about the kid "escaping" from the kindergarten and found in the proximity of the working area.

A bit disturbing (maybe for our own sense of being guilty being mongerers?)
Then you put things in perspective, you figure out how sex is rated in general in the thaì habits, how a WG is not judged as bad as it is in other cultures (obviously they do not put that profession intheir business card back home!), how much is kind of normal being a WG, full time or part time (surely, not a profession they aimed when they were kids and at school they asked them what do you want to do when you grow up), and then you understand that the matter was not so weird as it could appear I am not stating it is perfectly legitimate, not at all, and even Aey was concerned.

But one has to look at it with a thai eye as well.

IMHO

PS one thing I learnt. I do not know whether I will ever visit Annie's but a clear point was made here for the benfit of the customer: express your wishes and you will get what you aim to.

So, brothers, do not be starfish as some girls: act and ask!

Csun213

08-03-09, 01:45

I understand what Aey is saying. Most of these posts are just back and forth.

Asian post up a report on what his experience with a girl from Annie then PinkPearl posts up on how Asian is wrong and Annie is the best place in the world and can do nothing wrong.

Then another person post up on his girl leaving before the agreed time, then Aey and other people including (PinkPearl) call him a bad person and everything is his fault. The girl did nothing wrong.

I think the best thing to do is to judge for yourself on whether you want to go to Annie or not.

I have never been to Annie and was interested in going however after reading all these recent bad reports, I will no longer be going.

It does not matter who is right or who is wrong but where there is smoke, there is fire. Just my opinion.

I believe PinkPearl is good friends with Aey but I might be wrong. However every time there is bad report on Annie, PinkPearl pops up and says the report is wrong, the punter is wrong and Annie's girl is perfect.

The point is that there is always 2 sides to every story. Annie's girls are not angels and believe it or not, may even lie to Aey to cover their ass.

I had hoped to get both side of the story however after reading all these back and forth, I believe it is just best to pass on Annie. After all, it is not the only game in town and so far, I don't see how it is better than the other places.

OK, now I am ready for all the personal attacks.

Chrisde99

08-03-09, 02:56

I have been a regular at Annie's for the past 10 years. I find that there has been a big change over these years. I have always liked Annie's for the service it provides and the relaxed atmosphere at the parlour.

The main changes have been the quality of the girls and the approachability of Aey. I have not visited any other Massage parlour in bangkok where you can discuss your needs and be adviced about the kind of girls who would be appropriate for you.For me if I need advice on a new girl I would like to visit there is always an exchange of email with Aey following which I zero in on my choice.

As with any business there will be disgruntled customers as well as employees.

I do always tip especially if I have recieved a good service and the tip is directly proportionate to the service I get.

My most recent experience was with 'V' who provides excellent service but doesnt enjoy DFK.

NicFrenchy

08-03-09, 04:33

I am signing of this forum again, I tired, sorry for the people that have emailed me and asked me to post again but it’s a waste of my time. No matter what I say, even if I say the sky is blue I get no its not its green.

Nooooooooooooooooooo

Aey, Please please please do not get discouraged by a few negative comments!!!
there are a lot of members here who really appreciate you being here and giving feedback.

YES, you are defending your business and I admire that, but people should understand one thing:

Your goal is exactly the same as ours: Make sure ALL customers receive a great service.

There will always be people who will hate Annies but the fact that you are here and trying to make things better is already a guarantee in my eyes that you are doing your utmost to fix what is fixable.

It is unfair that people complain afterwards here, especially after having said nothing while at the parlour but this is also the way our society is evolving... People don't complain as much anymore but instead go to websites like Tripadvisor and write nasty reviews.

Aey, please reconsider because I think that even if some reviews are nasty, many members here appreciate the efforts you put into trying to make things better for US.
I have yet to see another business (parlor) owner do this.

Aslan

08-03-09, 04:49

I agree. Use this forum to make the experience better for everyone involved as I suggested before. Constructive criticism should be welcome. Read a review and contact the poster in a private message if you don't agree with what is being said instead of trying to make him out to be a liar. If the situation would have been handled in that manner I wouldn't have said anything more about it and probably would have written a positive review about Aey's willingness to hear complaints instead of having to go back and forth defending a position.

NicFrenchy

08-03-09, 10:34

Maybe Annie should look into buying the joint :D

I don't know about that.

It has been repeatedly said that once the NEP leases would be over, the land owners would turn the area into condos. If this is the case, then Investing into the former Angel Disco with a Sex-oriented theme might be a bad business call.

Dan7373

08-03-09, 16:19

Gentlemen - You have defeated me. I can no longer read the drivel on this board and I am unsubscribing.

Thanks.

Styk.
Perhaps this forum needs a separate thread for complaints about the girls and disputes about that.

When guys are looking for positive information about which massage girls are good to see. Then coming across all this negativeness is a big turn off.

And for this reason I suggest that positive and negative discussions should be separated into separate threads. So that everyone can participate according to their mood and not spoil the mood for each other.

I suppose some guys do have a problem in how they deal with their gals. And that could be one of the reasons why they have to pay the ladies to be with them. But not everyone is like that. And there is no good reason why one man's problems must poison the atmosphere for everyone.

Tiger 888

08-03-09, 16:27

Perhaps this forum needs a separate thread for complaints about the girls and disputes about that.

When guys are looking for positive information about which massage girls are good to see. Then coming across all this negativeness is a big turn off.

And for this reason I suggest that positive and negative discussions should be separated into separate threads. So that everyone can participate according to their mood and not spoil the mood for each other.

I suppose some guys do have a problem in how they deal with their gals. And that could be one of the reasons why they have to pay the ladies to be with them. But not everyone is like that. And there is no good reason why one man's problems must poison the atmosphere for everyone.This forum needs a lot more than that. If someone makes reasonable money spending his time to work, it would be way more economic to pay for professional advise rather than reading throuh endless pages of useless rants and use his time working instead.

Run Mann

08-03-09, 17:17

Threads for disputes and complains already exist; problem is that members just ignore those threads. On a highly trafficked board with so many differing viewpoints, it’s unreasonable not to expect occasional disputes but when they go on for as long and extend into other threads as this one has, you have to wonder what is the benefit of this boorish debate? Reasonable adults should know when to call cease-fire. If you have not made your point to another member in two or three posts, you're not going to make it with two or three pages of posts.

Csun213

08-03-09, 17:22

I like reading both the positive and negative feedback. I like the positive feedback better because then I can go and find the girl that gave the great service.

I just don't like all the attacks on people who post a negative feedback.

I think everyone should be neutral here on the forum however I suspect that some are friends of Aey by all the attacks. Do you notice that all the attacks are from the same people?

Not everyone who posts a negative feedback is a lying. There are girls giving bad service, maybe she had a bad day, it happens.

By all this attack on the negative posters, it will make the next guy who got bad service think twice before he post up his bad service report.

What would you like to see here, just all the great reports? Why is there no attack on the positive posters by saying that they are lying? Is this thread being paid by Annie?

Please, just let the postive and negative post alone because they are information that we are interested in.

No service provider is perfect, there will be bad girls and bad service. Just try to weed out the repeat bad one the best you can.

Titof117

08-03-09, 17:24

Hey sorry guys,

I'm new here, English is not my mother tongue.
So you have all the reasons to hate me !

I live in Bangkok, do some mongering from time to time and post on another forum., looking her for some other info.

I’m quite surprised to see the tone of this thread. Ok, I haven't read the hundreds of posts, just a few pages. But, IMHO, what I read doesn't make much sense to me.

I'm an Annie's fan. I won't hide it. I can be also very critical about a few things there.
Again, I'm not mongering every day but if you've been to several joints and a few times in each, rationnally, I don't see that many comparing to Annie's in terms of service.

Sure, every session, every where, can be a miss or a hit. Even at Annies'... but on the long run, the service quality is constant.

A big flaw was the look. The Letter fishbowl at a substantial increase fare if you really care (2500 instead of 1700) has some real cutties which were missing before

I went there yesterday with Nicole (X). A great body and an amazing natural breast (for a Thai Girl). She performed incredibily ... and she has a brain and a perfect english.

Reading these posts, I read Aey's one describing X.

That's exactly how I feel about her. She has a tough temper and can be quite puzzling at the start.

And, as an evidence, the guy who picked her right after me came back 10 minutes later... and got his money back before choosing a new one.

So, as said earlier, a hit or a miss. But when you go through the first step, a pure gem.

And Aey is a damned pro. I would put her as Marketing Director in charge of Customers in my company right away.

Dan7373

08-03-09, 18:52

From my own experience I can say that the best massage ladies I've ever been with were those who took their time and masturbated their pussies a lot against my thigh during the soapy massage.

These ladies knew how to get their sexual desire up and going for the guy they were with. They put themselves in the mood for having sex with him. And that's why they were so good at taking him for some hard-core banging afterwards.

Perhaps this is something all massage ladies should be trained to do. But in absence of such training, there is nothing to stop you from helping the lady get in the mood for you by massaging her pussy with the flat of your soapy hand during the massage.

I am now in the habit of masturbating my soapy lady like that whenever her pussy comes within my reach during the soapy massage. It doesn't take long for me to start feeling the hardness of her erect clitoris against the flat of my pussy-massaging-hand. And my all-hands-approach to her pussy during the massage usually ends with her giving up on the body-to-body massage and inviting me to bang her.

This way I've managed to get some pretty good-looking babes open themselves up for some pretty good banging from me. When the lady is in the mood. Then she is in the mood no matter how good-looking she is.

Instead of insisting that the lady service you, when she isn't in the mood. Why not get her in the mood, and make it easy for her to take some hard-core banging from you?

Just because you've paid her some money doesn't mean that her need for foreplay goes away. Sex is sex regardless of whether you pay for it or not. It works the same way no matter what the arrangements are between the lady and you.

Good foreplay for the lady is your key to having a good experience with her. And you needn't be shy about masturbating her pussy during your body-to-body massage with her. The lady won't object to something like that when she is sliding her pussy all over your body anyway. Debauch the massage lady with the flat of your well-lubricated hand. And she will invariably give you a good ride.

Dan7373

08-03-09, 20:48

Sorry, I have no more responses, but I see you're still promoting. Why would a monger do that?
Massage ladies sometimes ask their customers to recommend them to other guys. And that usually happens when the guy has had a very good experience with the lady.

Some time ago I was with a massage lady who ended up having a vaginal orgasm with me after our wild, on our sides, face-to-face ride with each other. I put her hand on my buttock and kept it there to make sure she felt my full desire for her in my every muscle-rippling thrust into her. Perhaps that's why she had that vaginal orgasm. It was more fun for her than usual.

Well, before we parted our company. She asked me to recommend her to other guys I knew. And I had no problem recommending her. Because if it wasn't for her willingness to please me, our wild ride would've never happened. I had some difficulty penetrating her in that sideways, face-to-face position. And it was she who suddenly thrust her hips against my dick and made me plunge inside her for the ride that followed.

This lady knew how to take a guy in some pretty unusual positions. And that's what made her so good.

If the lady does a good job for you. Then the least you can do is give her a good recommendation. This is just common courtesy.

NicFrenchy

08-04-09, 03:21

I went there yesterday with Nicole (X). A great body and an amazing natural breast (for a Thai Girl). She performed incredibily ... and she has a brain and a perfect english.Thank you for your post. I think it really shows that one man's 2 can be another man's 9!

Why not accept that we all have different tastes and leave it at that?

One think that is EXCELLENT at Annies is that you can change your lady if you do not like her, the management will not make any fuss about it.

Now if you try to do this in another place (ANGEL 24, for example) then not only will they tell you that you can't change the girl, but the management / cashiers will treat you like shit, and the lady will also treat you like shit after you go back to the room (if you decide to pursue).

Giotto

08-05-09, 20:28

I hope we can now return to the subject of this thread: Annie's!

There will be reports about positive and negative experiences in this thread, hopefully. And this is quite normal, in my POV.

Aey (from Annies) has replied to criticism in this thread, openly and honestly, and I really appreciate that a lot. There are many massage parlours in Bangkok, but only Aey has up to now taken the heat of criticism and participated in discussions. We all should appreciate that!

An owner of a massage parlour is in a very difficult position to deal with an internet forum like the ISG: there are marketing aspects, customer contacts can be established - but as the owner you ALSO have to protect your staff [to a certain extend]. There is a conflict of interest, and we all should be aware of that.

I have sent a PM to Aey and asked her NOT to resign from this forum, to understand members who had bad experiences, but to stop any discussion after [latest] the second reply. All important issues were most likely mentioned by then, and a continuing series of reports back and forth is neither informative nor interesting for any reader. Just exchange opinions, and move on.

All customers of Annies's should be aware, that, whatever the management of a massage parlour does to motivate the girls to deliver a good service, - it is still a question of chemistry between customer and girl, form of the day of both of them, mood of the moment of both of them, other incidents of that specific time that happend to both of them - it depends on a hell a lot of circumstances whether the customer will finally be happy with the girl and the service or not. It is NOT completely controllable by the management, whatever measures are taken.

I hope that this useless discussion of the past few days will now stop, and we will read some reports about Annie's in the coming days. And hopefully Aey will reply and add her POV - because that really adds value to this thread.

Giotto

Admin

08-05-09, 22:51

Aslan

08-05-09, 23:16

Greetings Everyone,

I recently cleaned up this thread by deleting a number of off-topic and otherwise antagonistic posts, as well as a number responses made by other forum members to these deleted posts.

This cleanup process is not perfect, and it's possible that I may have inadvertently deleted a few otherwise legitimate posts. If you find that your own report was also deleted, please don't take it personally.

Thanks,

JacksonWith all due respect, I believe deleting these reports is a disservice to members because it wipes away evidence that some members are biased and are more unreliable than others. Would it be possible to move these posts to the fight club and reference the date they were moved on the board they were moved from so that anyone doing research could follow along without being unaware of what has been said?

Admin

08-05-09, 23:27

With all due respect, I believe deleting these reports is a disservice to members because it wipes away evidence that some members are biased and are more unreliable than others. Would it be possible to move these posts to the fight club and reference the date they were moved on the board they were moved from so that anyone doing research could follow along without being unaware of what has been said?Hi Aslan,

I appreciate your suggestion, but I know from experience that moving arguments into a separate thread simply re-fuels and prolongs the argument.

FYI, the most prolific and antagonistic instigator in this thread has been returned to full moderation status, which I suspect will greatly reduce the discourse. In hindsight, I should have never removed him from moderated status a couple of weeks ago, but everybody makes mistakes.

I did leave a few of the posts here wherein members were asking for a return to normalcy, but that's just my own CYA in anticipation of the inevitable charges that I am a Nazi.

Thanks,

Jackson

Aslan

08-05-09, 23:39

Fair enough mein freund. Sorry about the pm. We must have been writing at the same time.

Dan7373

08-07-09, 01:13

....
All customers of Annies's should be aware, that, whatever the management of a massage parlour does to motivate the girls to deliver a good service, - it is still a question of chemistry between customer and girl, form of the day of both of them, mood of the moment of both of them, other incidents of that specific time that happend to both of them - it depends on a hell a lot of circumstances whether the customer will finally be happy with the girl and the service or not. It is NOT completely controllable by the management, whatever measures are taken.
....

Yes, I agree. Chemistry is important. Both the lady and you must be in the mood for each other. Or else it's just a mechanical encounter that doesn't satisfy you much.

And there is nothing mysterious about chemistry. Mutual foreplay is what usually gets the chemistry going between the lady and you. And it has to be mutual. You can't reasonably expect the lady to foreplay you and be in the mood for you, when you haven't done much to arouse her.

When the lady makes you hard with her mouth. Then to get the chemistry going you should return her the favor and get her juices flowing by dining at the Y on her.

Or as I prefer to do, masturbate her pussy either in a circular motion around her clitoris with the flat of your well-lubricated hand. Or slide your lubricated middle finger up and down her slit on top of her clitoris without opening her lips.

The first technique works well when the lady spreads her legs apart. And the second technique works well when she brings her legs close together. I often end up using both techniques on my lady, as she responds to my masturbation and adjusts the way I masturbate her.

Fast Eddie 48

08-07-09, 03:37

Dreams

08-07-09, 11:08

Giotto,

The problem with Aey she don't listen to her customer too well ,She need customer service skill ,I think is better for her to reply by pm to each customer complaint instead of being so defensive on this forum openly ,god give us two ear and one mouth so listen more than you talk.

Fast eddie 48
If the complain is made on the general forum, it is logical to respond to it there, and not by PM..
Following your reasoning, why not then complain by PM? Its either or for both, complains and answers...

PinkPearl

08-08-09, 03:54

I am referring to any prior experiences with any of the side line girls (R, B, P) for b-course (body slide). I am very limited on my time and I'm trying to get as much info as I can, so that I can make a more informed decision when I get there. Plus by calling them up couple of days before I get there I can book the girl I want.No one has answered your questions or inquiries, and I don't know if you saw mine before the purging, so here it goes again, and feel free to PM me for more info if you can:

I would suggest emailing Aey as per her request for those interested in specific information. However the following may be helpful:

Letter B for example is a X superstar of one of the most famous large Thai style parlours in Thailand but her picture is on our website. She is so famous when she came she brought her own customers with her and I do not mean Thai customers as we really do not serve Thai, she brought her own Chinese, Japanese and westerner customers to Annie's.

Letter X has a big following mainly from Business people, her looks, even though she is not ugly and she has the largest chest I have seen on a none fat Thai women is not he attraction. She is a very dominant, strong, intelligent, professional women who speaks near to the same English as me. Well it is better in some areas but not in others. She is not shy and she understands mens likes. If a business man wearing a suit walks in and chooses her she goes in the room for 2 hours then she comes out with the customer in her hand like a lost dog, he takes out a huge lump of cash and takes her out for a week or how ever long he is staying in Thailand. When a man walks in I can even see in there eye's, he is going to choose X and now she is out for a week. Also if you like X, R is similar and they are best friends and they work together in the room also.

06-26-2009, 11:36 PM

There are ladies that are super professional as in it does not matter how many customers they have in a day they want more, the bigger pay check at the end of the month the better. There is the other type of lady that they need to make XXXXXXXXXX a month and once they have made it they will work and perform the way they have but they will not be pushing for more customers, still making sure customers are happy as this makes sure that some come back next time.

I can tell you the ladies on the website that want more and more. T, R, P, 37. Just keep them coming. We work on shifts, start at 10:00am or start at 5:00pm when one of these ladies is due on the rota to start at 5:00pm they will be in at 10:00am smiling and waving at a customer they can not see through one way glass.

{06-26-2009}
As I'd had such a great time at Annie's with #99 a few weeks ago this past Thursday I decided to head in for another session at Annie's. Unfortunately #99 was not there and since I didn't see anyone I really wanted to try on the fishbowl side I decided to go sideline.

Being a bit smarted from last time in my session with M I decided to ask the manager there at the time for a suggestion. After narrowing it down to B, P & R (all three of whom are absolutely gorgeous) I decided to go for a session with R.

R has redeemed Annie's for me after the session I had with M. She did a great tub session and BBBJ and then on for a nice long oil massage and another pop afterwards. On top of a really good double set of massages and two pops R was pretty friendly and we clicked pretty well as far as conversation went.

Will definitely be back at Annie's next time I am through BKK.{05-18-2009}

Agree, I was with her on last trip, a service minded and high gfe lady.{05-19-2009}

Although if you are expecting a large breasted girl in Letter R, as in DD, one customer thought it was more like B cup size. Rather than trust completely in website photography I'd suggest seeing the lady in person or asking Aey to send more pics and info re cup sizes, height, weight, latest hair colour etc. Otherwise you are gambling and may be disappointed with no one to blame but you.

PinkPearl

08-08-09, 05:12

I have noticed that Aey have answer everyone's question except for my question about 500B tip expected by the girl.

PinkPearl, I do appreciate you answering my question however I think it is just your opinion. I would like to hear it from Aey who will know better.Certainly she knows, but the fact she did not correct my post {twice here and once at another forum} might suggest something.

I have read all 48 pages on this thread here and around 75 more elsewhere, so have seen her answers as well as the comments of customers on this subject, so I think I may know something beyond "just {my} opinion".

I often see Aey answering the same questions over and over again, which would have been unnecessary if the poster had read the thread.

Using the search engine for a subject one has a question on, like the word "tip", for example, would be another suggestion.

"It would be nice if a tip was offered as of course ladies in parlous work for money." {Aey}

"Not good service no tip" {Aey}

"Tips are based on service. It would be nice if a tip was offered as of course ladies in parlous work for money. Not good service no tip good service tip would be nice."

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php? P=905988&postcount=2655

"This clarifies the price for me, is there anyone else who needs to keep this subject going, the price including 2 shots, 2hours {snip} feel free to tip if you want."

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php? P=702488&postcount=30

"Annie's 1 lady 2 hours tip optional..."
"2 ladies 2 hours tip optional..." {Aey}

http://www.internationalsexguide. Info/forum/showpost.php? P=701756&postcount=34

"If the lady has offered you good service (as not everyone is pleased all the time) please offer her a tip as this will make her smile." {Aey}

Do your girls have "EXPECTED TIPS" or are they posted "We as in Annie's does not expect that our girls get any tips at all. Please bear in mind though that our regulars would normally give at least 500bt but that does not mean that this should be given as if one of our ladies offer bad service then for sure no tips. This would be bad for both us our ladies and future customers." {Aey}

I thought 300 was fair for normal service."It is not up to me to tell anyone what a fair or unfair tip is or is not. I would like to add to this though in relativity to what it happening in Thailand at present the 300bt of today is nothing like the 300bt of 5 years ago.

"My job is to be on the side of the customer and the ladies as these two together will make a good business. So if I look at it from my ladies point of view, 200bt can make a massive difference to there monthly life and of course I want her to be happy and get good tips for good service, the same for all my ladies.

"If I look at it from the side of the customer I want Annie's to be the best price it can so to be seen as a great place to come. {snip} Of course I would not want any customer to feel intimidated by a lady that works for us so come out and talk to either me and or main mamsan as either of us is in. The main mamasan in Called Gob.

"If I take into consideration tips that would normally be offered in competitive places to ours 300bt is well below norm and 500bt is still a little below (of course for good service).

"There are places, bars, backstreet venues, illegal joints etc where 20bt would be perfect. As I have said before there are ladies in the Ding deng area that you can take home for 200bt for whole night. But I would add, good luck be safe. If you went to places that are allot more upmarket in Bangkok and you offered them a 500bt tip they would give it back you, this is not as a sign of them saying "I do not want a tip" this is them saying 500bt "no thanks" {Aey}

"Of course I am sure you understand that our ladies work for money and 300bt is allot but an extra 200bt would be even nicer (good heart and all that). I mean an extra 100000000000000bt would be amazing." {Aey}

The Pro

08-08-09, 09:26

You are still missing the point.

Good service = No Tip
OK service = No Tip
Service according to what is sold = No Tip
Bad Service = No Tip and Complain to Management
Poor Service = No Tip and Complain to Management.

Outstanding service, far beyond what was paid for = A tip.

Based upon this and what Annies says it is, then only if you get 3 pops or more should you consider tipping.

If you get the standard 2 pops you should not tip.

If you get 1 you should be complaining.

Is that not a fair summary without all the other nonsense?

Certainly she knows, but the fact she did not correct my post {twice here and once at another forum} might suggest something.

I have read all 48 pages on this thread here and around 75 more elsewhere, so have seen her answers as well as the comments of customers on this subject, so I think I may know something beyond "just {my} opinion".

I often see Aey answering the same questions over and over again, which would have been unnecessary if the poster had read the thread.

Using the search engine for a subject one has a question on, like the word "tip", for example, would be another suggestion.

"It would be nice if a tip was offered as of course ladies in parlous work for money." {Aey}

"Not good service no tip" {Aey}

"Tips are based on service. It would be nice if a tip was offered as of course ladies in parlous work for money. Not good service no tip good service tip would be nice."

Dan7373

08-08-09, 14:46

Just to introduce some balance into this discussion about service at Annie's Massage. Here are some positive comments from customers who are happy with the service they got at Annie's Massage:
(comments originally posted at www p r i v a t e b a n g k o k com/annies-massage-bangkok/)

" tony
I visited Bangkok for the first time April 2009 following my devorce, and I had the most memorable time with girl no 14 – Water, what a body & the sex was full on.
About 30 girls in the fish bowl, I will be going back again very soon, recomended."

" 86fan

I visited Annie's early may 2009 and was taken into the gentle care of Olive86.Olive immediately put me at ease and quite simply gave me the best 2 hours I can ever remember.As a somewhat lonely professional roaming the world for my job,Olive provided me with a temporal home away from home,a safe haven in an otherwise hectic city.Annie's is honest and decent and Olive is the very best.Thanks so much,Olive!No next visit to BKK without
going to see Olive."

" Bangkok_fox permalink

I had heard a lot about this so I visited Annies twice in three days last week.

I must say it was a wonderful experience “out of this world”

Th first time i met 99 and she appealed to me. She was extremely cooperative and really took good care of me in all aspects. The second time it was 32 she was good too.

I would strongly recommend Annies to any visitor to bangkok"

" nola40otk permalink

I had my first visit to Annie's in February 2009. The atmosphere here is nice, non-pushy, open. I like chubby girls and Number 85 a.k.a. Gigi was just what I was looking for. She is cute, pleasantly plump, nice, cuddly, and very much poised to please. Also, she has quite possibly the biggest chest in Bangkok :) Now that I am moving to Bangkok on April 1 I plan many more visits here. :)"

NicFrenchy

08-08-09, 20:03

Is that not a fair summary without all the other nonsense?

It's actually complete nonsense but I won't bring that discussion about tipping again. Tipping IS and should remain at the PUNTER's DISCRETION. Period.

PinkPearl

08-08-09, 20:32

You are still missing the point. I'd be happy to admit that if it were the case, but what and who's point are we talking about here? My post was in reply to another poster who questioned my previous response to him. My latest reply provided documentation in support of what I was saying. So to say I am missing the point, maybe you'ld need to go back to and understand the original discussion and show how I am doing so. This you have thus far not done.

Good service = No Tip
OK service = No Tip
Service according to what is sold = No Tip

None of these are Annies' policy re tipping which is, as I documented, "optional" or "up to you".

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=914346&postcount=297

Bad Service = No Tip and Complain to Management
Poor Service = No Tip and Complain to Management.

This is not stricly in accord with Annies' policy, which is that the tip is up to you, although it seems that Aey would recommmend {or at least have no problem with} what you say here.

Outstanding service, far beyond what was paid for = A tip.Ditto my previous comment.

Based upon this and what Annies says it is, then only if you get 3 pops or more should you consider tipping.Sorry, I don't see where you get that. For a 2 hour session the normal maximum is you may cum 2 times, if you can. For an overnight all day session who knows, maybe 10 pops or more, if you are able.

If you get the standard 2 pops you should not tip.{1} Why is that?

{2} Earlier you said tip for great service.

If you get 1 you should be complaining.Not me. I'd be complaining about myself if I came even once before a two hour session ended. Ideally I'd like ongoing great sex with awesome kissing for 2 full hours w/o cuming. Then after an hour or two break, have another identical session.

Is that not a fair summary without all the other nonsense? It's fair to say that you've left me, more or less, wondering what you are talking about. My best guess at this point is that you are trying to describe how you like to do things, not Annies' way. Annies' way is clearly laid out here:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=914346&postcount=297

The Pro

08-09-09, 03:58

No NicFrenchy its not complete nonsense.

Aey is rightly attempting to avoid the problem and question by saying simply "tips are nice".

She has to do this as if she attempted to say "tips not necessary" her staff would know soon she said that, and then there would be trouble.

The issue here is that a number of Annies patrons (including yourself NF as you like to use Annies as you have said in the past) attempt to get into Aey's good books by being ultra supportive of Aey and Annies.

Whilst most of us here have no issue with Annies or Aey, and like to keep things balanced, what will wind people up is the posters who for no other reason than simply trying to keep in Aey's good books, go to extremes in trying to support her.

This is not a social networking website, its about MONGERING and for a MONGERING SITE to work well places must be reported on by people who have no love, or hate of that particular places, their manager, their owner or otherwise.

So, in summary again.

IF YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR - NO TIP REQUIRED.

This means a nice time and 2 pops at Annies and you have got "what you paid for and expected" - under no circumstances should the girls ask for, attempt to get out of you or try emotional blackmail for, a TIP.

If you have a out of this world wonderful time and 3 pops you may consider giving a tip, at your discretion.

If you got a single pop, or not very good service, then you might consider complaining to management.

Disclaimer for transparancy - I have used Annies but do not anymore, most recent use was in 2008, first ever use was in 1991. I may use Annies again but presently for me there are better places and also plenty of others to try.

It's actually complete nonsense but I won't bring that discussion about tipping again. Tipping IS and should remain at the PUNTER's DISCRETION. Period.

Pita123

08-09-09, 04:09

I have read all 48 pages on this thread here and around 75 more elsewhere,

Damn you have some time on your hands. You really should visit BKK where you can busy yourself with other things.

PinkPearl

08-09-09, 11:36

No NicFrenchy its not complete nonsense.

Aey is rightly attempting to avoid the problem and question by saying simply "tips are nice".What problem is that?

She has to do this as if she attempted to say "tips not necessary" her staff would know soon she said that, and then there would be trouble.But she is saying "tips {are} not necessary" since that is implied everytime she says tipping is up to you or optional:

http://www.internationalsexguide. Info/forum/showpost.php? P=914346&postcount=297

The issue here is that a number of Annies patrons (including yourself NF as you like to use Annies as you have said in the past) attempt to get into Aey's good books by being ultra supportive of Aey and Annies.How do you claim to know this? Telepathy?

Whilst most of us here have no issue with Annies or Aey, and like to keep things balanced, what will wind people up is the posters who for no other reason than simply trying to keep in Aey's good books, go to extremes in trying to support her.To "keep things balanced" here, LOL, don't forget all those posters who may be working for other shops vs Annies. This may be getting them into their "good books" and pussies too. There is also the case of the negative reporter whose lady, according to Aey, was not even working on the night of the alleged session. And one or two other suspect reports I've seen trashing the place.

This is not a social networking website, its about MONGERING and for a MONGERING SITE to work well places must be reported on by people who have no love, or hate of that particular places, their manager, their owner or otherwise.That would be perfect, but a flaw of the human condition is that it precludes 100% objectivity. We are all biased to one degree or another.

So, in summary again.

IF YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. NO TIP REQUIRED.And, again, the real policy of tipping at Annies: tip is up to you, or optional, as has been documented here:

http://www.internationalsexguide. Info/forum/showpost.php? P=914346&postcount=297

This means a nice time and 2 pops at Annies and you have got "what you paid for and expected". Under no circumstances should the girls ask for, attempt to get out of you or try emotional blackmail for, a TIP.I don't recall Aey or anyone else ever saying it was Annies' policy that the ladies should not politely ask for a tip. Of course if they are rude about it then by all means complain to the manager and post it here.

If you have a out of this world wonderful time and 3 pops you may consider giving a tip, at your discretion.Yes, yet tips are always up to you. Even if a guy had a horrible time he could still give a tip if he wanted to. Likewise if he had the best time of his life, he could give nothing. Furthermore, as has happened before, allegedly, a lady could refuse a tip and pay the guys 1000 baht bar bill.

If you got a single pop, or not very good service, then you might consider complaining to management.Yup. This might help to improve the business in the future.

Disclaimer for transparancy. I have used Annies but do not anymore, most recent use was in 2008, first ever use was in 1991. I may use Annies again but presently for me there are better places and also plenty of others to try.To each their own, of course. It would be interesting to hear how you think other places compare and are better. Aey has remarked a number of times, by the way, that one should seek out the place best suited for them and try other MPs etc. For example:

Please remember we are not Eden we are not SOL and we are not Lolitias and we are not tulip for that matter. They all have There thing that they are good and we recommend going there. We have our thing that we are special at and it is simaple, tell Us what you want and we will find it for you, to make you happy "we listen". This is why I am on the {internet}. We make work out Cheaper than other places and we make work out more expensive than other places but we are here and have been for 37 years And we are legal and clean and safe.

NicFrenchy

08-09-09, 13:34

Aey is rightly attempting to avoid the problem and question by saying simply "tips are nice".

Sure she will, the same way a drug dealer would tell you that smoking Crack is the trendy thing to do. You can't blame the businessman to try and sell his/her product.

It's up to the punters to make an educated decision. I believe people are generally not dumb and won;t just do as they are told (well, sometimes I wonder about that too, looking at all the deluded assholes who believe there is an invisible man living in the sky watching their every move)

The Pro

08-09-09, 14:10

No, its not clearly laid out and its the murky lack of clarity that causes the problems.

Annies is an "all in price" establishment. Which means tips are not required.

Is that easy to follow?

To suggest if you feel happy when you leave you should tip is quite wrong. Thats what you paid for anyway.

A tip is for something that is considered over and above the normal expectation of whatever service you are taking.

Annies is a 2 pop (once in the bath and once on the bed) establishment where you pay "all in" and "up front" at the desk before taking the girl to the room.

Is that easy to follow?

So if you receive what you paid for, which in this case is 2 pops, once in the bath and once on the bed and leave with a smile on your face, then may I ask why you should consider tipping? Nothing special has happened and what was done was done according to the expectation when you paid the operator the full amount ahead of the event for exactly what you got.

Now I do realise the position Aey is in, for sure she wants her girls to get tips, and for sure she cannot say here that tipping is not needed. She will always go for a non clear statement that its all "up to you" and "if you are happy please tip" etc. Its good for her girls and keeps them happy.

However Aey also takes the full "all in price" up front and then she pays the girl for the service provided.

This is done for a number of reasons:

1. It ensures no timewasters who come in for a massage and a handjob only and tip the girl just 500 baht or less. Having paid the high price for all in service, they take all in service everytime.

2. It ensures no hassles between customer and girl as the money is already paid. The only hassle would be poor performance of the girl, as opposed to the problems of poor payment from a customer.

3. It ensures all parties know their cut of the deal. The customer knows how much he pays and what he gets. The business knows how much they take and how they give the girl. The girl knows how much the business will pay her. It is the perfect system UNTIL its abused by the girls.

Abuse of the system is the girls asking for tips at the end of the session, or attempting to be "pissed off" or giving "unhappy looks" when you leave. Thats abuse of the all in payment system, the girls know that, we know that, Aey knows that but it happens.

However the point is, while tipping is discretionary there should be rules or at least some idea's on what to do for punters.

So you get the simple:

If you get what you pay for, being 2 pops, once in the bath and once on the bed and leave happy and feeling good, then you have got what you paid for 2 hours earlier and no tip is needed. If you want to tip you can but nobody should expect you to, ask you to, pressure you to or get moody if you do not.

If you get something more, say 3 pops or some anal action then this is not "normal" at Annies and you should consider tipping the girl.

Would those 2 be acceptable to all parties as a summary?

It's fair to say that you've left me, more or less, wondering what you are talking about. My best guess at this point is that you are trying to describe how you like to do things, not Annies' way. Annies' way is clearly laid out here:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=914346&postcount=297

Aslan

08-09-09, 15:24

I'd have to agree with Nic on this. If tips are expected just add that amount to the 1700 or 2500 baht you'll be spending for two hours which is even more reason not to go to some of these places. Tips in a service industry are appreciated, but not expected and in some cultures tips are considered degrading.

Drogue

08-09-09, 16:35

Dan7373

08-10-09, 00:17

Can someone PM me Annie's e-mail. I know her and when I am in BKK I go to her bar with my friend Tom. We patronize her bar for 90% of the time we are in BKK. We have many good memories. I had her e-mail before but have misplaced it.

You can find Annie's Massage e-mail and telephone number at their website FAQ page:
http://www.anniesbangkok.com/FAQ%27sAnnies.html#4

Dreams

08-10-09, 09:38

No, its not clearly laid out and its the murky lack of clarity that causes the problems.

Annies is an "all in price" establishment. Which means tips are not required.

Is that easy to follow?

To suggest if you feel happy when you leave you should tip is quite wrong. Thats what you paid for anyway.

A tip is for something that is considered over and above the normal expectation of whatever service you are taking.

Annies is a 2 pop (once in the bath and once on the bed) establishment where you pay "all in" and "up front" at the desk before taking the girl to the room.

Is that easy to follow?

So if you receive what you paid for, which in this case is 2 pops, once in the bath and once on the bed and leave with a smile on your face, then may I ask why you should consider tipping? Nothing special has happened and what was done was done according to the expectation when you paid the operator the full amount ahead of the event for exactly what you got.

Now I do realise the position Aey is in, for sure she wants her girls to get tips, and for sure she cannot say here that tipping is not needed. She will always go for a non clear statement that its all "up to you" and "if you are happy please tip" etc. Its good for her girls and keeps them happy.

However Aey also takes the full "all in price" up front and then she pays the girl for the service provided.

This is done for a number of reasons:

1. It ensures no timewasters who come in for a massage and a handjob only and tip the girl just 500 baht or less. Having paid the high price for all in service, they take all in service everytime.

2. It ensures no hassles between customer and girl as the money is already paid. The only hassle would be poor performance of the girl, as opposed to the problems of poor payment from a customer.

3. It ensures all parties know their cut of the deal. The customer knows how much he pays and what he gets. The business knows how much they take and how they give the girl. The girl knows how much the business will pay her. It is the perfect system UNTIL its abused by the girls.

Abuse of the system is the girls asking for tips at the end of the session, or attempting to be "pissed off" or giving "unhappy looks" when you leave. Thats abuse of the all in payment system, the girls know that, we know that, Aey knows that but it happens.

However the point is, while tipping is discretionary there should be rules or at least some idea's on what to do for punters.

So you get the simple:

If you get what you pay for, being 2 pops, once in the bath and once on the bed and leave happy and feeling good, then you have got what you paid for 2 hours earlier and no tip is needed. If you want to tip you can but nobody should expect you to, ask you to, pressure you to or get moody if you do not.

If you get something more, say 3 pops or some anal action then this is not "normal" at Annies and you should consider tipping the girl.

Would those 2 be acceptable to all parties as a summary?

Dear Mr Pro, Can you leave each oif us free of tipping ( or not) as we see fit? We do not need your "rules". Just apply them to you, that's fine, and let each punter decides his own attitude. This whole debate is utterly useless, and has just had the consequence to throw out the most useful contributor to this thread, i.e Aey..

PinkPearl

08-10-09, 09:48

No, its not clearly laid out and its the murky lack of clarity that causes the problems.Personally I don't find this to be rocket science. The tip is optional or up to you is the Annies' policy:

http://www.internationalsexguide. Info/forum/showpost.php? P=914346&postcount=297

Annies is an "all in price" establishment. Which means tips are not required.Tipping is "not required" is perfectly agreeable with Annies' policy that tipping is up to you or optional. Same with cab drivers or waitresses in millions of places every day. Same with hookers in Canada. Same with a Thai massage, escorts, FL's, SW's, and BG's in LOS.

To suggest if you feel happy when you leave you should tip is quite wrong. Thats what you paid for anyway.Do you also consider that it has been commonly suggested that "you should" tip a taxi cab driver or waitress 10, 15, or 20% to be "wrong"? After all, your fare or bill is what you "paid for anyway".

Aey has never used the words you "should tip". What she has said has been documented at the following link.

914346

Whether or not she is "suggesting" what you say is a matter of opinion, speculation or interpretation. Even if she is suggesting that, it is no more "wrong" than a charity appealing for funds, a beggar on the street asking for a handout or the thousands of working TGs who request a tip every day of the year.

To continue with this speculative line, even if she is suggesting that, and considers those who do not tip anything for great service to be cheap charlies and disposable customers, it is her business to run the way she wants to, not the way you would like it to be. Nothing "wrong" with that.

A tip is for something that is considered over and above the normal expectation of whatever service you are taking.Really? Is that how it works with cab drivers, waitresses, etc? Not in my experience. Tipping is optional, up to me, but I generally tip anyway, even if the waitress doesn't give me a BBBJ. OTOH if she spills the soup on me, I start thinking about sueing. Bad service = no tip. Good service = tip optional, would be nice, but up to you, same as Annies.

Annies is a 2 pop (once in the bath and once on the bed) establishment where you pay "all in" and "up front" at the desk before taking the girl to the room.With the cab driver you make "all" the payment after the ride. The tip is up to you, optional. So it is very much like Annies.

So if you receive what you paid for, which in this case is 2 pops, once in the bath and once on the bed and leave with a smile on your face, then may I ask why you should consider tipping? Why not? Up to you. Do you tip at restaurants? Taxis? Up to you.

Abuse of the system is the girls asking for tips at the end of the session, or attempting to be "pissed off" or giving "unhappy looks" when you leave. Thats abuse of the all in payment system, the girls know that, we know that, Aey knows that but it happens.I don't recall Aey or anyone else ever saying it was Annies' policy that the ladies should not politely ask for a tip. Of course if they are rude about it then by all means complain to the manager and post it here.

Personally I feel the asking for a tip can be a reason for me to seriously consider never seeing the lady again, especially if she is rude about it. It can totally ruin the mood of what has just been a happy session, not to mention the rest of my day. And that means that the whole session was a waste of time and money. For guys who feel the same way, you might consider mentioning this to the mamsam prior to any session in the hope that she would relay it to your lady.

However the point is, while tipping is discretionary there should be rules or at least some idea's on what to do for punters.

If you get what you pay for, being 2 pops, once in the bath and once on the bed and leave happy and feeling good, then you have got what you paid for 2 hours earlier and no tip is needed. If you want to tip you can but nobody should expect you to, ask you to, pressure you to or get moody if you do not.We are, for the most part, in agreement here. And I suppose that is the experience of most of Annies' customers.

If you get something more, say 3 pops or some anal action then this is not "normal" at Annies and you should consider tipping the girl.Personally I always consider tipping them for good service, let alone great or superstar standards.

Like I've said before, if a customer cums into Annies and gives no tip after having an awesome time, they won't be sending the pitbulls after him to get a tip. What they could do, though, if he keeps returning and doing this, would be to give him the opposite of VIP treatment, which could involve a number of things.

If all of the occasional, regular, and long term customers stopped tipping from now on, Aey might have to rethink her policies before she lost most of her workers. As it stands she prefers to lose 10 bad customers than one good employee, as she has stated on another topic. I assume she can afford to talk like that because, according to her claims, business is rocking while other MP's and BKK in general are struggling. If that is the case, there is a reason for it, and she must be doing something right, rather than "wrong". But this is largely speculation re something that will likely never happen.

The Pro

08-10-09, 10:58

Why? Aey did not leave due to me. You can ask her if you like.

The debate over tipping is very much needed when taken into context of "all in up front payment" places.

Therefore this debate could easily be had over say "Euro Massage" or anywhere else where the customer is required to pay "full rate including the girls tip" up front.

It is needed to remind newbies they do not have to tip anything additonal at places like this, and nobody will complain if they do not, when they visit a "fully paid up front" kind of establishment, like Annies or Euro etc.

Dear Mr Pro, Can you leave each oif us free of tipping ( or not) as we see fit? We do not need your "rules". Just apply them to you, that's fine, and let each punter decides his own attitude. This whole debate is utterly useless, and has just had the consequence to throw out the most useful contributor to this thread, i.e Aey..

Ghatotkach

08-10-09, 11:15

Dear Mr Pro, Can you leave each oif us free of tipping ( or not) as we see fit? We do not need your "rules". Just apply them to you, that's fine, and let each punter decides his own attitude. This whole debate is utterly useless, and has just had the consequence to throw out the most useful contributor to this thread, i.e Aey..I agree with Dreams.

Tipping is a personal issue and it has been more than flogged to death by now in this forum. Time now to forget it all and get on with the proper experiences in this forum.

I have been visiting Annie's for nearly fifteen years. There have been very good and bad experiences. But, it is the manner in which I was attended to by Aey and her team if I had a complaint that makes me go back to Annie's time and again. Not that I am concerned about Annie's reputation or whatever. I was satisfied. Period.

There have been other places that I no longer visit simply because they lacked in their approach towards customer satisfaction.

Tiger 888

08-10-09, 14:09

Dear Mr Pro, Can you leave each oif us free of tipping ( or not) as we see fit? We do not need your "rules". Just apply them to you, that's fine, and let each punter decides his own attitude. This whole debate is utterly useless, and has just had the consequence to throw out the most useful contributor to this thread, i.e Aey..I just would like to see what happens if 10 customers in a row don't tip. I believe there would be an uprising, because part of the system is that customers tip. It means the tip is taken by the management by paying short. In my opinion a tip is an extra for an extra service, and not a necessary support for the girls to survive. So let's just not tip to see what happens. In this case only we can make the change.

Piper1

08-10-09, 20:17

Big Joe 11

08-10-09, 20:49

You've never been to Annies? Interesting.

Anyhow, I usually tip for good service - it's the right thing to do. But up to you.I think tipping is a cultural thing(? lack of better word). I am from USA and I am used to the idea that tipping is a must do (10% to 20%). However, I think Annies should just increase the price and really make tipping become optional due to the different culture of its clientele.

Dreams

08-10-09, 21:08

BionicMan

08-10-09, 21:38

I just would like to see what happens if 10 customers in a row don't tip. I believe there would be an uprising, because part of the system is that customers tip. It means the tip is taken by the management by paying short. In my opinion a tip is an extra for an extra service, and not a necessary support for the girls to survive. So let's just not tip to see what happens. In this case only we can make the change.

Not necessary the american culture on tipping applies to Asia.
Try not to tip in US and somebody qill run after you.
Do not tip in Asia and you might have a bad grin but nobody will feel offended.
Maybe not happy...
Obviously any place leaves the choice of tipping to the customer.
I do not think it is encouraged by the establishment to short pay their girls but rather it is a way for the customer to get a better feeling and chemistry with the girl for the next time...
So Aey says "tip if you wish" (= good investment for a repeat and the tip is welcome by the girls).
I hope someone does not object why chemistry has to be bought by a tip... as otherwise I am wondering what the hell he is doing in a mongering forum such as ISG.
All in all the tipping can raise the cost of the deed and might become part of the routine for the repeat return.
So inflate the price.
It is up to each one to check whether his finance can afford it.
Surely the whole deed, including tipping and drinks etc, is far cheaper than.... a tip itself in the western world of mongering.

PinkPearl

08-10-09, 22:14

The tip is optional at Annies'. But since I've never been there, I'm not sure. If I can save some money from my pension checks this year, I'll try to get a flight to Bangkok and let you know. But I won't tip there - I never tip girls.

You've never been to Annies? Interesting, considering your many posts about Annies.

I usually tip for good service - it's the right thing to do. But up to you.Why would a person fabricate a quote of something I have never said and attribute those words to me as if I had posted them, including false statements in the fabrication? FTR, I am not on a pension and have never recieved a pension check in my life. Furthermore, I do tip girls and will tip Annies' ladies as well if I get good service.

As for my many posts about Annies even though I've never been there, a person who is more informed than 99% of ISG readers from reading tons of info should be able to post something. I have read over 120 pages of recent online threads devoted exclusively to Annies, including many comments from Aey the manager, numerous reports as well as discussions re various subjects like tipping, for an example. All of these threads were posted w/i the last two years, and the vast majority w/i the past 12 months, during which time Annies has changed a lot.

Neufie

08-10-09, 23:04

Fun And Sun

08-11-09, 00:31

Do not go to Kangaroo club and take lady and then complain about her English and conversation not being good as ladies in there normally have z penis in there mouth and are not used to talking much. If you have a place like ours that cover near to it all do not take it by chance. Ask.
you.

This thread was a lot more fun when it had statements like this...

Fun And Sun

08-11-09, 00:35

As for my many posts about Annies even though I've never been there, a person who is more informed than 99% of ISG readers from reading tons of info should be able to post something. I have read over 120 pages of recent online threads devoted exclusively to Annies, including many comments from Aey the manager, numerous reports as well as discussions re various subjects like tipping, for an example. All of these threads were posted w/I the last two years, and the vast majority w/I the past 12 months, during which time Annies has changed a lot.

Dude, you have set a new standard for what constitutes RTFF!

Will you now march confidently into Annie's, picking the right girl, have an amazing session, and report back?

And, most importantly, will you be leaving a tip?... :)

Csun213

08-11-09, 00:53

Like I've said before, if a customer cums into Annies and gives no tip after having an awesome time, they won't be sending the pitbulls after him to get a tip. What they could do, though, if he keeps returning and doing this, would be to give him the opposite of VIP treatment, which could involve a number of things.From what I read here is, if you go to Annie, have a good time, do not tip or under tip (less than 500 B), no one will say anything but if you keep doing this, then you are not welcome back. The girls will now give you less service because you are now Cheap Charlie.

Fast Eddie 48

08-11-09, 01:02

PinkPearl

08-11-09, 01:09

From what I read here is, if you go to Annie, have a good time, do not tip or under tip (less than 500 B), no one will say anything but if you keep doing this, then you are not welcome back. The girls will now give you less service because you are now Cheap Charlie.Suffice it to say that was not what I was saying, and the remark {of the 2nd sentence} was entirely speculation. But maybe someone will like to test the idea {of going there repeatedly w/o tipping} and see what happens. You could consider it research in the name of scientific advancement.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=915128&postcount=311

Tiger 888

08-11-09, 01:11

Why do you think people want to "make a change"... I am always amazed how some people believe that their views is shared by all others.. This is a lost battle don't fight it. I'll continue tipping ( or not) when and how I want. regardless of what you, Mr Pro or any other say...I actually feel closer to the girls than to some of the "hard" guys on this forum.. means that i am happy to tip so that you all don't get your cheap and egoisitic way...
Maybe one day we will return to the purpose of this forum, which is to share info on girls and not to dicate to others what one thinks is the right thing to doDo what you like. I'd rather pay 2500 Baht to a freelancer than supporting this system. Then you can call me overpaying, but at least it goes to the girl.

NicFrenchy

08-11-09, 01:15

The debate over tipping is very much needed when taken into context of "all in up front payment" places.

Maybe a debate over tipping is needed for newbies but it has been discussed in great extent over the years. Hit the search button and happy reading.

The Pro

08-11-09, 02:19

I think tipping is a cultural thing(? lack of better word). I am from USA and I am used to the idea that tipping is a must do (10% to 20%). However, I think Annies should just increase the price and really make tipping become optional due to the different culture of its clientele.Big Joe, the whole point is that Annies includes the tip for the girl.

This is why its "all in pricing".

This is the crux of the issue. The tip is in the price already.

Aslan

08-11-09, 02:48

Do what you like. I'd rather pay 2500 Baht to a freelancer than supporting this system. Then you can call me overpaying, but at least it goes to the girl.

I'd have to agree with this. I would rather give 2500 plus baht to a girl directly rather than to an establishment not knowing how much the girl will get and how she is treated. Annie's is priced at 1700 or 2500 for two hours and the only real reason I've visited the place over the years is the body to body bath. If you include a 500 baht tip on top you're now within the range of one of the best looking girls at any go go bar in Nana. If you're too cheap to bar fine one just hang out in Nana parking lot or at one of the many food/beer stalls when Nana closes and all the girl are on their way home. You'll have plenty to choose from and will probably end up getting her for the rest of the night rather than 2 hours.

Goatboy55

08-11-09, 03:48

You are considering your 2500 as gross, when in fact it is net as you have to factor in the price of your hotel or ST hotel.

I worry less about how the girls are treated as, especially in Bangkok, there are 100s of places a girl could walk. Most would walk with their feet.

Annies costs include the room as well as security to both the girl and yourself. Also comparing Annies to taking out a go-go is comparing apples to oranges I'm afraid.

I'd have to agree with this. I would rather give 2500 plus baht to a girl directly rather than to an establishment not knowing how much the girl will get and how she is treated. Annie's is priced at 1700 or 2500 for two hours and the only real reason I've visited the place over the years is the body to body bath. If you include a 500 baht tip on top you're now within the range of one of the best looking girls at any go go bar in Nana. If you're too cheap to bar fine one just hang out in Nana parking lot or at one of the many food/beer stalls when Nana closes and all the girl are on their way home. You'll have plenty to choose from and will probably end up getting her for the rest of the night rather than 2 hours.

Member #3428

08-11-09, 04:05

I would rather give 2500 plus baht to a girl directly rather than to an establishment not knowing how much the girl will get and how she is treated.

That is fine and good and I don't disagree for this in the most part. This has been reported a million times and now once again....

Not everyone goes to BKK for mongering. Some of us work there, some of us live there, some of us have GF's, some of us have wives etc....

So not everyone can hang out on Sukhumvit or Nana Parking lot or hit Beer Garden or such. During lunch hour it is easy to hit an MP for two hours.

Plus you do not know what type of freaks are hanging in Beer Garden or picking up girls on the street, you don't know the benefits they get from working an MP, you don't know the behind the scenes issues. Every girl has her own reason for working either FL or in an MP. Just like every guy has his own reason for going to get a FL or going to a hostess bar or an MP.

Sex tourism is only a tiny fraction of the tourism and business in thai and the Sex Trade for Foreigners is even smaller. The vast majority of people on this board probably only sees maybe from national stadium BTS stop to Thong Lo BTS stop in BKK.

Aslan

08-11-09, 04:21

Not everyone goes to BKK for mongering. Some of us work there, some of us live there, some of us have GF's, some of us have wives etc....

Some have girlfriends and wives, but are still going to hostess bars and MPs? I've lost faith in humanity.

Member #3428

08-11-09, 04:36

Some have girlfriends and wives, but are still going to hostess bars and MPs? I've lost faith in humanity.

Sorry to affect your belief in fellow human beings. I feel ashamed. :(

Hang with me for one weekend and you'll be ready for self termination.... :D

NicFrenchy

08-11-09, 05:42

PinkPearl

08-11-09, 10:20

Big Joe, the whole point is that Annies includes the tip for the girl.

This is why its "all in pricing".

This is the crux of the issue. The tip is in the price already.Even if that is the case, it does not preclude giving more of a tip after the session is over. But I am wondering where you get the idea that that is Annies' way, since the owner makes no mention of it here in her comments re tipping policy:

http://www.internationalsexguide. Info/forum/showthread.php?p=914346#post914346

You are the first person I've ever seen describe the pricing system at Annies as everything is paid upfront, including the tip. Such a system is not mentioned in the pricing sections, or any other area, of the websites:

http://www.anniesbangkok.com/PricesAnnies.html

http://www.anniesbangkok.com/Prices.html

It is also absent from 120 pages of posts dealing exclusively with Annies and written w/i the last 18 months or so. This includes many comments by the manager/owner Aey herself, numerous customer reviews/reports of their experiences at the business, and lengthy discussions about tipping.

So where do you get the idea that you describe? Is it written somewhere at Annies? Is that how employees there describe it? If a customer asked if tips are included in the price would the mamsam reply as you stated? Or would she say something like Aey says about tipping at the url above?

BTW I wonder how long Annies would last if all customers followed your rules to consider a tip only if they get 3 or more pops in 2 hours, or anal service? I think very few customers would tip and Aey's employees might be quiting in droves.

Dan7373

08-11-09, 18:24

.... If you're too cheap to bar fine one just hang out in Nana parking lot or at one of the many food/beer stalls when Nana closes and all the girl are on their way home. You'll have plenty to choose from and will probably end up getting her for the rest of the night rather than 2 hours.
Direct arrangement with a lady like that isn't as safe as when you meet the lady through an establishment, such as Annie's Massage or some other.

Because for all you know the lady may put something in your drink and take advantage of your belongings with the help of her friends while you are unconscious. And if the lady happens to put too much of that stuff in your drink. Then you may end up dead. The ladies who do things like that aren't always expert at what they do. Your life isn't safe in their hands.

Sure, when you take more risks. Then you can save some money. But you shouldn't forget that you get what you pay for. And a part of what you pay for at Annie's Massage and other places like that is your personal security in your encounters with the ladies.

Dan7373

08-11-09, 18:50

it's funny how many people always whine about what the girls "cuts" are in the "all inclusive" prices... and the finger is always pointed at annies.
that's good if you are an ignorant tourist, but if you have been in bkk for a few years, then you will know which places totally steal from the girls.

[CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) (and its farang owner) is the prime example!

1. bj - the girl gets 300, the house gets 400
2. fs behind curtain - the girl gets 400, house 700
3. fs in private room - the girl gets 500, house 1100

(info from "jibblies", thank you for the report)

so for all of you who don't understand why the girls don't want to get fucked, they only get 100thb more!

also, barfine @ [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) bkk is 4,000 (from which the girl gets a big fat 0)
it's only 100bt more for the girl to give you full service. unless you give her a good tip which is pure profit for her.

ladies don't have to share their tips with the establishment where they work. and that's why it's so important to give good tips to the ladies. some of these ladies probably make half of their money from tips. and it's the tips that make their work worthwhile for them.

which really isn't such a bad arrangement for everyone involved, as long as the guys aren't stingy with the tips they give. because the ladies often try harder to please their clients in order to get the tips they need. and many of the ladies are so good with their guys precisely because they have a strong incentive to do the best they can. a big part of their pay depends on pleasing their guy just the way he likes to be pleased.

but to keep this incentive system going, it's important for guys to keep giving good tips for good service. or else the service they get will deteriorate.

Neufie

08-11-09, 21:12

Sure, when you take more risks. Then you can save some money. But you shouldn't forget that you get what you pay for. And a part of what you pay for at Annie's Massage and other places like that is your personal security in your encounters with the ladies.

And to each there own to what that adds up to. But, I agree, on the entire quote.

Regards,

Slim Fast

08-11-09, 22:32

I wish thy bring back 4 hour cours :D

Even if that is the case, it does not preclude giving more of a tip after the session is over. But I am wondering where you get the idea that that is Annies' way, since the owner makes no mention of it here in her comments re tipping policy:

http://www.internationalsexguide. Info/forum/showthread.php?p=914346#post914346

You are the first person I've ever seen describe the pricing system at Annies as everything is paid upfront, including the tip. Such a system is not mentioned in the pricing sections, or any other area, of the websites:

http://www.anniesbangkok.com/PricesAnnies.html

http://www.anniesbangkok.com/Prices.html

It is also absent from 120 pages of posts dealing exclusively with Annies and written w/i the last 18 months or so. This includes many comments by the manager/owner Aey herself, numerous customer reviews/reports of their experiences at the business, and lengthy discussions about tipping.

So where do you get the idea that you describe? Is it written somewhere at Annies? Is that how employees there describe it? If a customer asked if tips are included in the price would the mamsam reply as you stated? Or would she say something like Aey says about tipping at the url above?

BTW I wonder how long Annies would last if all customers followed your rules to consider a tip only if they get 3 or more pops in 2 hours, or anal service? I think very few customers would tip and Aey's employees might be quiting in droves.

Jon Jones

08-12-09, 00:52

NicFrenchy

08-12-09, 01:18

Well I think that this puts "The Pro" back in his place!
Thank you for clarifying

This is what Aey Annie wrote me in a PM:

"Tips are only for good service and numbers you have PM me are ok. Please not tip for bad service good tip for good service same as in any other industry."

What I wrote was "For your 2 hour in-house service, would a tip of 500 for average service and 700 for excellent service be fair?"

The Pro

08-12-09, 02:53

Thanks for that.

So now we have evidence that a tip IS EXPECTED if you receive the service level you pay for in advance inclusive of a tip already.

Double tipping is the expected normal at Annies, you pay "all in in advance" and then are expected to pay another 500 baht to the girl.

And before any braindead people attempt to say its only for "good service" please there is no average in this game. The punter is either happy with good, or pissed off with bad (or over the moon at wonderful).

This is a service business and all punters should leave with a smile on their face.

This has long been the issue, and I am glad its now in the open, we can all move on and people can stop trying to pretend the prices at Annies are low and no need to tip, we can now compare Annies based on the "expected" tip of 500 baht being added on to the advertised "all in prices".

Its all marketing nonsense, Annies tries to compete on price and says no tip needed, but in fact its actually required and the prices should be 500 baht higher.

Excellent, all cleared up, no more nonsense about "TIP IS UP TO YOU". Its not up to you and you are expected to pay it.

This is what Aey Annie wrote me in a PM:

"Tips are only for good service and numbers you have PM me are ok. Please not tip for bad service good tip for good service same as in any other industry."

What I wrote was "For your 2 hour in-house service, would a tip of 500 for average service and 700 for excellent service be fair?"

Aslan

08-12-09, 03:16

Direct arrangement with a lady like that isn't as safe as when you meet the lady through an establishment, such as Annie's Massage or some other.

Because for all you know the lady may put something in your drink and take advantage of your belongings with the help of her friends while you are unconscious. And if the lady happens to put too much of that stuff in your drink. Then you may end up dead. The ladies who do things like that aren't always expert at what they do. Your life isn't safe in their hands.

Sure, when you take more risks. Then you can save some money. But you shouldn't forget that you get what you pay for. And a part of what you pay for at Annie's Massage and other places like that is your personal security in your encounters with the ladies.

I really don't feel that safe in any of these establishments. I am out of familiar territory, probably nobody knows I'm there, and I may not be able to leave on my own terms. You never know what you may be walking into. These places also provide drinks and you never know what you are drinking. You should also pay attention to closets or false doors. How easy would it be for someone under the bed in Annie's to steal your money while you were in the bath if you left it where you can't see? I always position my valuables in a place where I can see them from any part of the room.

On the other hand, if you're smart you're probably staying at a hotel with a safe and the girl's id card will be taken upon entry. You've also had the chance to check the place out and store your valuables. The places I stay usually will call you when the girl leaves and tries to get her card back just to make sure there are no problems. Always keep your valuables locked up or in view and don't leave your drink out for someone to tamper with while you are not paying attention. Think about what you are doing and don't become a victim.

The Pro

08-12-09, 06:15

For some fun - "Guess the Age" competition :

As much is said against, and in defence of the age of some of the girls at Annies, why not take a guess and perhaps Aey can give us marks out of 10 for accuracy.

http://www.anniesbangkok.com/anniesgirls.html

I would take the following age guesses from top to bottom, and its not easy as photo's are photo's and can mislead both ways in terms of age :

Letter V = 32
Letter Z = 30
Letter W = 34
Letter R = 32
Letter M = 36
Number 9 = 40
Numer 99 = 26
Number 49 = 32
Letter B = 28
Number 35 = 35
Letter D = 28
Letter N = 24
Letter P = 30
Number 18 = 32
Number 16 = 32
Letter L = 31
Number 37 = 31
Letter G = 33
Number 33 = 40
Number 10 = 27
Number 37 = 29
Number 12 = 31
Letter C = 26

Run Mann

08-12-09, 07:16

Good service or not, what’s the downside if you don't pay the mandatory, expected or optional tip?

Fast Eddie 48

08-12-09, 07:34

Good service or not, what’s the downside if you don't pay the mandatory, expected or optional tip?Run Mann,

If you don't tip good service or not the girl will give you shit for not tipping ,make you look like a cheap charlie ,I have a girl cry once I only tip her 200 bht she said is not enough because they t only get 35% of the the payment . how can I say no to the poor girl and if you complaint to the managment they will tell you tipping is up to you.

Fast Eddie 48

The Pro

08-12-09, 08:35

Good service or not, what's the downside if you don't pay the mandatory, expected or optional tip? The downside is the "guilty feeling" that you get when you are not handing the cash over in person, but doing so up front with all in payment.

After you have just had 2 pops with a lovely girl, and she looks into your eyes. How do you feel as you walk out without giving her something.

Part of the game but so many people fall into the trap of feeling obliged to give more.

So actual downside is nothing, just the potential for a guilty look and some emotional blackmail to spoil the "afterglow".

If you have a thick skin or are a more professional mongerer it will not matter, of course.

Stykler

08-12-09, 08:41

Thanks for that.

So now we have evidence that a tip IS EXPECTED if you receive the service level you pay for in advance inclusive of a tip already.

Excellent, all cleared up, no more nonsense about "TIP IS UP TO YOU". Its not up to you and you are expected to pay it.

I must say that I find all of this crap about tipping quite silly. Put simply, we really are only generally talking about 500 baht tops. A measley US$15!

When you consider that you have probably already spent US$1500 on flights, another $US1000 on a hotel and another $US1000 on sundries, who gives a shit about another US$15!!! Even if you have one punt a day for a week in the LOS, the total for your tipping is a pittance at US$115 for a week. Jack shit really, and I'm certainly no Bill Gates!

Just chill out, tip if you like and enjoy being in a land of sexual freedom. I'm fucked if I'd argue with a Thai hooker over US$15.

Is it personal pride? Not wanting to feel cheated? Trying to get the best value for your buck? Wanting to make yourself fell important? If these are the motivations for arguing over a tip, stay at home.

BionicMan

08-12-09, 10:03

I really don't feel that safe in any of these establishments. I am out of familiar territory, probably nobody knows I'm there, and I may not be able to leave on my own terms. You never know what you may be walking into. These places also provide drinks and you never know what you are drinking. You should also pay attention to closets or false doors. How easy would it be for someone under the bed in Annie's to steal your money while you were in the bath if you left it where you can't see? I always position my valuables in a place where I can see them from any part of the room.

On the other hand, if you're smart you're probably staying at a hotel with a safe and the girl's id card will be taken upon entry. You've also had the chance to check the place out and store your valuables. The places I stay usually will call you when the girl leaves and tries to get her card back just to make sure there are no problems. Always keep your valuables locked up or in view and don't leave your drink out for someone to tamper with while you are not paying attention. Think about what you are doing and don't become a victim.
Aslan, having read the above, let me tell you frankly: "stay home", but also be careful when you step out of your door as you might be trapped by the steps and break your neck....
If you do not trust an establishment (any! I am not supporting any in particular) that has been in business for a few years, then, really..stay home!
What kind of safety do you have from an ID card that is left at the hotel reception? Are you sure that ID card is 100% real and the name too? What IF the card is fake, the name non-existant, the girl robs you, and simply walk away without asking for the ID back (being fake, she might not care to collect it...and jsut fly out as a free bird).
How can't you trust established and widely talked venues, so to be suspicious on what they offer you to drink, or maybe hiding someone under the bed (can thsoe bed hide anyone?).
We are not talking about dodgy, back alley, scam places.
We are talking about a wide number of well known and popular establishments, and, according to your thoughts, these can hide risks?
Get yourself a life... let me give you a TIP then: really...stay home and use your five (as long as you can trust them!)

The Pro

08-12-09, 10:28

No, some of us are here all the time, long time.

We do not want people to come and as is said "shit in our bed" and leave us to sleep in it while they fcuk off again.

If your little hometown bar where ever you live was invaded by tourists who start dishing out 15$ tips everywhere to any servers in the bar would you be happy when those tourists left but the staff started wanted 15$ tips from you locals too.

I fuck in Bangkok with over 100 girls a year, so likely 200 or more P4P encounters.

Add 15$ on to each of them and thats 3000 US$ additional.

3000 US$ = 66 P4P fucks.

Do I want to give away 66 fucks just to pay some prostitute some extra money as a tip ?

No I do not. I could quite easily, but why should I.

There is an old UK saying and that is "Penny Wise but Pound Stupid" meaning people scrimp here and there in their lives to save a few pennies, but then are stupid at other times and throw the money down the drain.

I for one am not into throwing 3000 US$ down the drain, so yes I will feel free to discuss tips and tipping.

Stupid I am not, which is why I get to do so much P4P in Thailand!

I must say that I find all of this crap about tipping quite silly. Put simply, we really are only generally talking about 500 baht tops. A measley US$15!

When you consider that you have probably already spent US$1500 on flights, another $US1000 on a hotel and another $US1000 on sundries, who gives a shit about another US$15!!! Even if you have one punt a day for a week in the LOS, the total for your tipping is a pittance at US$115 for a week. Jack shit really, and I'm certainly no Bill Gates!

Just chill out, tip if you like and enjoy being in a land of sexual freedom. I'm fucked if I'd argue with a Thai hooker over US$15.

Is it personal pride? Not wanting to feel cheated? Trying to get the best value for your buck? Wanting to make yourself fell important? If these are the motivations for arguing over a tip, stay at home.

Csun213

08-12-09, 15:54

I must say that I find all of this crap about tipping quite silly. Put simply, we really are only generally talking about 500 baht tops. A measley US$15!

When you consider that you have probably already spent US$1500 on flights, another $US1000 on a hotel and another $US1000 on sundries, who gives a shit about another US$15!!! Even if you have one punt a day for a week in the LOS, the total for your tipping is a pittance at US$115 for a week. Jack shit really, and I'm certainly no Bill Gates!

Just chill out, tip if you like and enjoy being in a land of sexual freedom. I'm fucked if I'd argue with a Thai hooker over US$15.

Is it personal pride? Not wanting to feel cheated? Trying to get the best value for your buck? Wanting to make yourself fell important? If these are the motivations for arguing over a tip, stay at home.

I think he is just trying to tell you that with the extra 500B tip, Annie is not cheaper than other places. With the tip, the fish bowl girls will be 2200B and the side line girls will be 3000B.

PinkPearl

08-12-09, 15:56

This is what Aey Annie wrote me in a PM:

"Tips are only for good service and numbers you have PM me are ok. Please not tip for bad service good tip for good service same as in any other industry."

What I wrote was "For your 2 hour in-house service, would a tip of 500 for average service and 700 for excellent service be fair?"

So what she said was harmonious with what she's been saying online
consistently as being Annies' policy on tipping:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=914346&postcount=297

"It would be nice if a tip was offered as of course ladies in parlous work for money." {Aey}

"Not good service no tip" {Aey}

"Tips are based on service. It would be nice if a tip was offered as of course ladies in parlous work for money. Not good service no tip good service tip would be nice." {Aey}

"Annie's 1 lady 2 hours tip optional..."

"2 ladies 2 hours tip optional..." {Aey}

"If the lady has offered you good service (as not everyone is pleased all the time) please offer her a tip as this will make her smile." {Aey}

"We as in Annie's does not expect that our girls get any tips at all. Please bear in mind though that our regulars would normally give at least 500bt but that does not mean that this should be given as if one of our ladies offer bad service then for sure no tips. This would be bad for both us our ladies and future customers." {Aey}

Post 297, this thread.

PinkPearl

08-12-09, 16:23

Good service or not, what’s the downside if you don't pay the mandatory, expected or optional tip?There is no mandatory tip, or even expected tip, according to Aey
{post # 297, this thread}:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=914346&postcount=297

According to Aey the good looking ladies are always busy. A guy who consistently has been a non tipper or cheap charlie to such gals may soon find these girls are always mysteriously busy whenever he wants to see or book them. After all, why would they not prefer to wait another 5 minutes for a customer who will give them a nice tip. Aey would not want to risk losing a popular employee who is making Annies tons of dough. She'd rather lose 10 bad customers.

OTOH, some of the other ladies who are the least popular may be happy to get any work they can, even w/o a tip. Who knows? This is speculation and the only way you'll ever know for sure is to do the scientific research yourself, by seeing what happens if you consistently go in there and give no tips.

Pita123

08-12-09, 17:22

Sex tourism is only a tiny fraction of the tourism and business in thai and the Sex Trade for Foreigners is even smaller. The vast majority of people on this board probably only sees maybe from national stadium BTS stop to Thong Lo BTS stop in BKK.

Hey I rode all the way from Ekamai BTS last weekend and have in fact been all the way to On Nut BTS on purpose! ;)

PinkPearl

08-12-09, 17:38

Its all marketing nonsense, Annies tries to compete on price and says no tip needed, but in fact its actually required and the prices should be 500 baht higher.When I arrive in Bangkok I will put your "nonsense" to the test. I will frequent Annies many times, never pay any tip, and then make my escapes. Then report back here whether or not Aey tried to tackle me on the way out if I escaped from the lady in the room. And whether or not they sent the pitbulls, security and LE after me for not paying the "required" {according to you} tip.

Further, I will inform ya'll if the lady frowned at me as I ran from the room w/o paying a tip. That would be devasting, likely give me a nervous breakdown and require hospitalization.

I will also let ISG know if Aey used the UK type of football {soccer} tackle, or the USA NFL type. It should be fun. Wish me luck!

Oh, and by the way, all this Annies "marketing nonsense" seems to be cuming from you, not from Annies. No one at Annies - from Aey in the past 18 months online, the Annies website, or numerous customers reviews - says the tip is required or included in the upfront fee. What I do hear repeatedly, though, is that a tip is optional, would be nice for good service, but is up to you.

Suntangh R

08-12-09, 18:16

I really don't feel that safe in any of these establishments. I am out of familiar territory, probably nobody knows I'm there, and I may not be able to leave on my own terms. You never know what you may be walking into. These places also provide drinks and you never know what you are drinking. You should also pay attention to closets or false doors. How easy would it be for someone under the bed in Annie's to steal your money while you were in the bath if you left it where you can't see? I always position my valuables in a place where I can see them from any part of the room.

On the other hand, if you're smart you're probably staying at a hotel with a safe and the girl's id card will be taken upon entry. You've also had the chance to check the place out and store your valuables. The places I stay usually will call you when the girl leaves and tries to get her card back just to make sure there are no problems. Always keep your valuables locked up or in view and don't leave your drink out for someone to tamper with while you are not paying attention. Think about what you are doing and don't become a victim.I think the majority of readers have had their fill reading about tipping, poor service, non performance of marathonic sessions with abnormally sexed and hormonally endowed males, exploitation of the girls in the parlour, and so on and so forth. The target for some unfathomable reason seems to be Annies!

Take a break, people! Enough harsh words have bounced back and forth and its becoming monotonous. I have had good sevice there; I have not been short changed, and my drinks have not been spiked. I have not lost my wallet, and have gone home with body parts intact. I don't think Annie's is going to spike your drinks, or ateal your money, or give you Aids (hopefully, if you are careful). The ladies in there seem happy, there has been no revolt, and they do their job well. If you are looking for Angelina Jolie, you'll have to go Hollywood and look, at the least, like Brad "Putt".

Give Aey a break. You don't like Annies- don't go there! You don't want to tip, don't! A lot of us will go there, and we will tip. There is inherent goodness in us! What?

Member #3428

08-12-09, 19:16

Hey I rode all the way from Ekamai BTS last weekend and have in fact been all the way to On Nut BTS on purpose! ;)

Don't give me your shit, you fell asleep that is why you went to On Nut and Ekamai.....

Aslan

08-12-09, 22:11

Paranoid is a bit unfair. I'll say this: I've been in a few situations over the years where being watchful and careful has saved my life and probably the lives of those around me. If you're engaged in an illegal activity, and prostitution is illegal in many parts of the world including Thailand, you're going to come into contact with all sorts of people and just because nothing bad has gone wrong so far doesn't mean it never will.

Professor10

08-12-09, 22:22

I would agree - we all have to be alert and aware of what happens in 3rd world countries. Many are barely getting by, so if they can take advantage of you, they will. One of the easiest ways is to 'pilfer' or take whatever they can get their hands on, scams, and even beatings. If we are alert to this and just stay out of 'difficult situations,' then we should not have any problems.

Stykler

08-12-09, 22:27

PinkPearl

08-12-09, 22:33

If you don't tip good service or not the girl will give you shit for not tipping, make you look like a cheap charlie, I have a girl cry once I only tip her 200 bht she said is not enough.I would suggest at the first sign of whining that you tell the lady that you are going out to complain to the manager and on the internet. And then keep your promise.

because they t only get 35% of the the payment. How can I say no to the poor girl and if you complaint to the managment they will tell you tipping is up to you.They get varying amounts, according to Aey. A 35% portion of 1700 is almost 600 Baht. Add 200 for your tip and she gets 800 for ST plus all the Annies' benefits.

Compare that to Pattaya where many get 500 ST. Or a 7-11 worker a two minute walk from Annies, what, 6000 a month, 200 a day? Or a Nana Hotel parking lot SW, usually 1000B ST, maybe standing for hours, out in the rain, police hassling her and no benefits. The "poor girl" at Annies is not so poor by these standards, and you can try to explain that to her.

Dan7373

08-12-09, 23:14

Good service or not, what’s the downside if you don't pay the mandatory, expected or optional tip?
The downside is that you will get a reputation of being a 'Cheap Charlie' among the ladies. And they won't do for you as much as they will do for the more generous guys.

The ladies talk among themselves. And you might get a reputation like that right after your first time there.

Perhaps you can cheat the ladies out of good pay for good service once or twice. But eventually you will start getting what you pay for and no more.

PinkPearl

08-13-09, 00:21

The downside is that you will get a reputation of being a 'Cheap Charlie' among the ladies. And they won't do for you as much as they will do for the more generous guys.Do you say this from experience, heresay, or are you just opinionating or
guessing? What is the lady going to do to lower the service level with a
non tipper or "Cheap Charlie"? Won't the guy still get 2 hours, 2 pops,
and be allowed all of Annies' standards, including BBBJ, COF, CIM, FS &
soapy? If her service or attitude is poor she risks a complaint to the
mamsam and owner as well as a bad review on the internet. According
to Aey such reports can devestate a ladies' income, so they have a
motivation to be at their best at all times.

The ladies talk among themselves. And you might get a reputation like that right after your first time there.Sticks & stones & all that.

Perhaps you can cheat the ladies out of good pay for good service once or twice. But eventually you will start getting what you pay for and no more.If the tip is included in the upfront fee, how could it be considered cheating?
Even if the tip isn't included in the 1700B fee for 2 hours with a fishbowl gal,
for an example, why is it "cheating" not to tip? Is it cheating not to tip a cab
driver, waiter, escort, SW, BG, or FL?

What is "good pay"? Making many times more than a 7-11 worker down
the street? Making as much as a nurse or doctor at the nearby hospital?

Many servers in Thai restaurants would practicly faint if given a 100B tip.

And they don't get to lie on their back or have orgasms while doing it.

Run Mann

08-13-09, 00:38

The downside is that you will get a reputation of being a 'Cheap Charlie' among the ladies. And they won't do for you as much as they will do for the more generous guys.

The ladies talk among themselves. And you might get a reputation like that right after your first time there.

Perhaps you can cheat the ladies out of good pay for good service once or twice. But eventually you will start getting what you pay for and no more.

It's not a payment, it’s a TIP, a TIP is not payment, it is optional so you are not cheating anyone if you don't tip them. A good provider should provide quality service regardless of tips. If there comes a point where quality service is dependent upon tips then the tips are just payment and not tips. There's just too many places in Bangkok to be concerned about your reputation should you choose not to tip. Be respectful and courteous but don't be held hostage by any "tip me or else" mentality.

Member #3428

08-13-09, 00:59

It's not a payment, it’s a TIP, a TIP is not payment, it is optional so you are not cheating anyone if you don't tip them. A good provider should provide quality service regardless of tips. If there comes a point where quality service is dependent upon tips then the tips are just payment and not tips. There's just too many places in Bangkok to be concerned about your reputation should you choose not to tip. Be respectful and courteous but don't be held hostage by any "tip me or else" mentality.

OMG.... we are beating a dead horse... some folks will tip, some will not, girls will always pout if they don't get a tip and they will always ask for a tip and try to make you feel like a cheap charlie if you do not tip.

Aey... I think her girls expect a tip and yes the girls do talk if you do not tip and you go many times to the same place so yes you would be known as a guy who does not tip. This is the nature of the MP's and it's every MP not just Annies. So what... Why are we beating up Aey and Annies about tipping and costs? Why are we beating up one place when EVERY MP is like this. It is the nature of the girls that work in this industry to talk talk talk....

Everyone in the service industry is expecting tips, from door men to waitress to you name it all over the world. Why should an MP girl be different? When you give a free lancer cab fare do they use it for a cab or do they BTS or bus it home? Should we start bitching in the general thread how a door man or bell boy expected a tip from us... how dare they try to screw me out of a tip for carrying up 5 pieces of luggage that each weigh 25 kilo.... I'm shocked at such a request. (sarcastic) But when someone nails a girl up her ass for two hours people get shocked when they tip the girl?

If I get one pop I don't tip, if the girl is lazy or is not enthusiastic, I don't tip. If I get two and she's good then maybe... if she goes the extra mile as I admit I am a difficult customer to work with at times then I do tip as I'm not the typical one or two shot wonder that walks in from Idaho. BUT... they earn that extra money for their service above and beyond what is normally on the menu or normally offered. That is what a Tip is all about in my simplistic opinion.

IF the service provider goes above and delivers more then what is expected or on the menu or such, then I tip. But I know who I like, what I like, and get what I want, so yes, I tip and I over tip but I get GREAT service and even when places are closed or holidays or such I can always find a service provider willing to meet me.

NicFrenchy

08-13-09, 01:26

I think the majority of readers have had their fill reading about tipping, poor service, non performance of marathonic sessions with abnormally sexed and hormonally endowed males, exploitation of the girls in the parlour, and so on and so forth. The target for some unfathomable reason seems to be Annies!

Take a break, people! Enough harsh words have bounced back and forth and its becoming monotonous. I have had good sevice there; I have not been short changed, and my drinks have not been spiked. I have not lost my wallet, and have gone home with body parts intact. I don't think Annie's is going to spike your drinks, or ateal your money, or give you Aids (hopefully, if you are careful). The ladies in there seem happy, there has been no revolt, and they do their job well. If you are looking for Angelina Jolie, you'll have to go Hollywood and look, at the least, like Brad "Putt".

Give Aey a break. You don't like Annies- don't go there! You don't want to tip, don't! A lot of us will go there, and we will tip. There is inherent goodness in us! What?

Thank you.
This is the most sensible thing I have read here in a long time, I completely agree

NicFrenchy

08-13-09, 01:44

Now, let's get back to Annies and the girls...

I have to admit that Annies, all things considered is one of the top MPs in Bangkok. If you're a tourist, you probably won't have a clue but as a long term expat, I can tell you that among the massage places, there is a lot of dross.

Oilies are more often than not a miss rather than a hit. You never know what you're going to get (sometimes that is fun though).
Annies Service guarantees 2 hours and 2 shots for 1,700
Oilies are 800 for 2 hours and at a parlor like Angel, can go up to 2,500 for 2 shots (many girls charge 1,000 for second shot), bringing the total to 3,300 thb
Tulip is the only MP that I know of which offers an automatic 2 shots, you still have to pay the 800 for 2 hours massage so it's 2,300 total.

Soapies are also a hit or miss because there isn't any MO per se... you pick a girl from the FB and in the room, you just pray she's going to be good (forget about multiple shots if you're not a regular). And if the session does not go very well, you surely can't complain to these useless fucking papasans.

All in all, I think Annies is a great deal! 1,700, 2 hours adn 2 shots guaranteed + you can complain to the owner and as she said here, you WILL be taken care of like a Customer.

So I don't understand why all the fuss around annies? just shut up and post reviews, bring something new to the table or keep your mouth shut. there is already a lot of shit in this thread as it is.

The Pro

08-13-09, 03:40

This is very cute come from NicFrency who said recently words to the effect of " I am writing no more reports on ISG as I do not like the way my "mates" have been moderated and banned".

You yourself refuse to write reports and said you might throw in a few one liners (mostly arguing with others).

And you say "back to Annies" and "lets have some reports".

What a hypocrite you are!

Annies gives 2 shots but lets define it.

Annies gives 1 blow job in the bath and the girl may or likely not let you CIM.

Annies then gives 1 fuck.

Yes its 2 shots, but its NOT 2 FUCKS.

Yes at other places for 2 FUCKS you will pay more as the girl wants more.

TULIP is the only place that assures you 2 FUCKS or 3 FUCKS or 4 FUCKS or 3 BBBJ's or ANAL or whatever else you want, and you only pay the girl 1500 baht. So add on the 800 and Tulip is 2300 Baht with no further money needed for multiple shots and multiple fucks and anal.

Snow White girls will give you a BBBJ to completion and a fuck (which is the same as Annies being 2 shots - not 2 fucks).

Therefore Annies at 1780 Baht (+500 tip) is 2280 baht for 2 hours and 2 shots.

I can pay 600 baht for 90 minutes and get 2 shots with a 1500 baht tip at Snow White. So thats 2100 baht for 2 shots.

Or I can pay 600 baht for 90 minutes at Tulip and have 2 fucks and anal with a 1500 baht tip and thats 2100 baht.

The 1780 baht is a marketing ploy to keep the headline price low, but then let the girl ask the punter for a tip. No problem with that and its working for Aey, the issue I have is when self confirmed Annies Lovers come on forums trying to pretend that it is really cheap and ignore the necessary tip of 500 baht.

I am not anti-Annies, and have used it and will no doubt use it again BUT I am against the idiots who go on to forums trying to blow its trumpet.

In that respect I do blame Aey a little, having those signs in the rooms asking people to write reports on ISG and others will always attract the likes who will do it and try to be your best friend and get a few free whiskeys. Thats not an issue and the upside for Aey is more than the downside, but it will lead to plentiful arguments on the forums as anyone who did have a bad experience willl be like a "lamb to the slaughter" against the Annies Lovers who post.

As has been seen many times.

Now, let's get back to Annies and the girls.

I have to admit that Annies, all things considered is one of the top MPs in Bangkok. If you're a tourist, you probably won't have a clue but as a long term expat, I can tell you that among the massage places, there is a lot of dross.

Oilies are more often than not a miss rather than a hit. You never know what you're going to get (sometimes that is fun though).

Annies Service guarantees 2 hours and 2 shots for 1,700

Oilies are 800 for 2 hours and at a parlor like Angel, can go up to 2,500 for 2 shots (many girls charge 1,000 for second shot), bringing the total to 3,300 thb
Tulip is the only MP that I know of which offers an automatic 2 shots, you still have to pay the 800 for 2 hours massage so it's 2,300 total.

Soapies are also a hit or miss because there isn't any MO per se... you pick a girl from the FB and in the room, you just pray she's going to be good (forget about multiple shots if you're not a regular). And if the session does not go very well, you surely can't complain to these useless fucking papasans.

All in all, I think Annies is a great deal! 1,700, 2 hours adn 2 shots guaranteed + you can complain to the owner and as she said here, you WILL be taken care of like a Customer.

So I don't understand why all the fuss around annies? just shut up and post reviews, bring something new to the table or keep your mouth shut. there is already a lot of shit in this thread as it is.EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Run Mann

08-13-09, 08:05

OMG.... we are beating a dead horse...

Why are we beating up one place when EVERY MP is like this.

Good of you to join in on the beating of the “dead horse” but I agree that this is just over-kill about tipping. None of this discussion is likely to move anyone one way or the other, those who want to tip, will do so and those who don't, won't.

BionicMan

08-13-09, 15:23

It looks the discussion now moves from the tip saga to how many thrusts a girl allows you to have in her pussy before you deliver your valuable white product.
Are we getting on a marathon type of talks, discriminating the value of 2 shots between 1 BJ and 1 fuck, or 2 fucks, maybe a HJ+BJ is then more valuable?
I am just wondering when we shall move to talk about the Baht cost per thrust or per lick.
Maybe next week?
Anything left for the week after? Maybe discuss how many cc you can CIM before she swallows or spits?

NicFrenchy

08-13-09, 17:03

This is very cute come from NicFrency who said recently words to the effect of " I am writing no more reports on ISG as I do not like the way my "mates" have been moderated and banned".

Wait, if you're going to "quote" me, please do it properly but don"t edit half of it and especially, don't write how YOU interpreted what I said.

You yourself refuse to write reports and said you might throw in a few one liners (mostly arguing with others).

And you say "back to Annies" and "lets have some reports".

What a hypocrite you are!

first of all, I have written more reports than your total amount of posts so I think I earned the right to argue here.

And second, before calling someone a hypocrite, you maybe should know what you are talking about. Fact is, you don't.
I indeed wrote that I would no longer write reports (not based on my mated though) but since then, I had a lot of exchanges with Admins, Mods and others that convinced me to change my mind (Sorry, they were private conversations adn I totally forgot to inform you... )
get your facts right, and this is unfortunate that we are not in the fight club,,, I would gladly have thrown a few bad words your way... oh well, fuck it, I'll do it anyway: you're yet another ISG dumbass.. and zoooo in my ignore list you go

Fast Eddie 48

08-13-09, 17:06

I been going to Catherine massage this is a 2 shots standard place cater for local thai and Chinese, cost is 2100 bht 2 hr room is better quality and girl is younger and better quality never ask for tip, one thing girl don't speak any english very few foriegner here.

Fast Eddie 48

Member #3428

08-14-09, 02:29

Good of you to join in on the beating of the “dead horse” but I agree that this is just over-kill about tipping. None of this discussion is likely to move anyone one way or the other, those who want to tip, will do so and those who don't, won't.

Always glad to put in my worthless two baht :D

Csun213

08-14-09, 03:11

The Pro

08-14-09, 04:04

I never understand the mentality of someone who writes a post to someone and then says to them "you are in my ignore list".

How stupid is that ? Why even bother writing the post ? Sorry but I think I know who is the dumb one.

2 shots discussion I think is misleading, when you refer to Annies it should be referred to as 1 BBBJ and 1 Fuck............this makes it clear. Other places the girls charge for 2 fucks but someone misleading like NicFrency would simply say 2 shots for both, without distinguishing that one is actually 2 fucks, which is important when it comes to payment levels.

"Annies" is "1 BJ in the bath + 1 fuck on the bed".

"Catherine", never tried it. Is it 2 fucks there ? or 1 BJ and 1 Fuck ? Would be interested to know. Perhaps you could fill us in with some details on the other Massage thread (not Tulip/Annies).

. and zoooo in my ignore list you go

NicFrenchy

08-14-09, 08:08

Always glad to put in my worthless two baht :D

I always knew you were a cheap fuck :D

Dan7373

08-14-09, 16:16

Run Mann

08-14-09, 17:29

When you don't reward good performance. Then people don't have much reason to go out of their way to please you.

And this is true in any kind of situation.

They are just as human as all workers are.

Using this logic, the Bank Teller, the DMV Clerk, Chef or the Computer Technician needs tips in addition to their salary to perform superbly. Do you tip your Doctor too so he can go out of his way to please you?

Look, hookers in massage parlors can be rewarded in a variety of ways like praise, repeat visits or good reviews. They don’t have to be rewarded monetarily (or at all) for doing their jobs, that is why they have a salary. The people in this world who deserve tips are the ones who never get it.

Soapy Fuk

08-14-09, 17:40

Well said Run Mann. call them hookers, escorts or VIP escorts or pornstar escorts all the same category.

Why dont orphanages get tipped?

Illusions of grandeur is what the symptoms of one are when they tips P4P's , period!

Using this logic, the Bank Teller, the DMV Clerk, Chef or the Computer Technician needs tips in addition to their salary to perform superbly. Do you tip your Doctor too so he can go out of his way to please you?

Look, hookers in massage parlors can be reward in a variety of ways like praise, repeat visits or good reviews. They don’t have to be rewarded monetarily (or at all) for doing their jobs that is why they have a salary. The people in this world who deserve tips are the ones who never get it.

Dextro Sol

08-14-09, 17:43

you're yet another ISG dumbass.. and zoooo in my ignore list you go

Thanks Nic for the tipz of ignore list... I have just added a couple of boring persons from this thread...

Dan7373

08-14-09, 18:07

Using this logic, the Bank Teller, the DMV Clerk, Chef or the Computer Technician needs tips in addition to their salary to perform superbly. Do you tip your Doctor too so he can go out of his way to please you?

Look, hookers in massage parlors can be reward in a variety of ways like praise, repeat visits or good reviews. They don’t have to be rewarded monetarily (or at all) for doing their jobs that is why they have a salary. The people in this world who deserve tips are the ones who never get it.

When tips are given routinely. Then they are a normal part of the compensation. And those who don't give tips for good service end up being loosers. Because they end up getting what they pay for.

Doctors, Bank Tellers, Chefs, and others all get higher or lower salaries based on their performance and experience. And that's not true for the massage ladies. They all get exactly the same pay per customer, no matter how good of a job they do. And the only difference in pay for them is the tips they get.

When everybody gets paid exactly the same for the same time of work. Then this is similar to what Communist countries have tried to do and failed miserably. When you don't pay more for better and harder work and only pay for the time people put in. Then people have no motivation to go the extra mile. It's that simple.

Run Mann

08-14-09, 18:12

It's that simple.

I'm done but will say that if it was as simple as you say, this discusion would not even have started, your argument is as effectively reaching to me as mine is to you.

Dan7373

08-14-09, 18:18

I'm done but will say that if it was as simple as you say, this discusion would not even have started, your argument is as effectiley reaching to me as mine is to you.
Whether something is simple to understand or not depends on your point of view. And the best way to make something simple to understand is to find real-world examples. Which I have done.

Giotto

08-14-09, 18:52

Yawn.

Giotto

Soapy Fuk

08-14-09, 18:59

1Ball

08-14-09, 23:56

Yawn.

Giotto
Super huge gigantic enormous yawn.

1ball.

Run Mann

08-15-09, 01:57

Head back over to chit-chat land where the kindergarten discussions are so much more stimulating and informative.:rolleyes:

Terry Terrier

08-15-09, 07:21

M P Lurker

08-15-09, 10:52

Its simple really.

At Oilies there is an expectation that you will tip girls 1500 for full sex, as they have no salary.

Comparisons to other professions with good salaries is pointless.

Its known as a tip because providing sex is the norm but illegal. If you refuse to "tip" the girl gets nothing and you are asking for a complete freebie. Indeed the girl may loose money at some places.

At Annies the payment model is more confusing.

The girl gets a small amount out of the initial fee, but not enough to pay for her sexual services for 2 hours.

A long way short of the 1500 girls routinely get for possibly crap service sex at other places.

Therefore paying an additional tip is not considered optional by the girls, even if Aey says its optional depending on wether you had a good time.

O.K. you can refuse to "tip" if you didn't get a sexual service. So those that will not tip are essentially trying to get a freebie.

Those who don't want to tip extra, should really go to a different place.

Many soapies are trully all inclusive price.

Alternatively, at Annies tell the girl beforehand how much you are willing to "tip", and then you get service commensurate with the "agreed price". No tip is not going to inspire the girl to do anything much.

Bar girls get salary, but you still have to negotiate a price for sex. If you don't offer enough (cheap charlies), they will not be interested. Try asking them to go with you for free (equivalent to no "tip").

Dan7373

08-15-09, 13:42

The "real-world example" comparison between investment bankers and Thai WGs is unfortunate to say the least. Routinely 'tipping' bankers caused poor performance to become the industry-accepted norm, and led to them almost bankrupting the world.

Bankers took excessive risks to earn their bonuses. Which has lead to some unfortunate consequences. Perhaps their bonuses were excessive. And that's why they took excessive risks.

If customers start giving million dollar tips to massage ladies. Then these ladies might also start having unprotected sex and taking all kinds of risks with their health and that of their clients in order to please their generous clients. Which can lead to some pretty bad consequences for both the ladies and their clients.

But I'm not urging anyone to give such excessive tips to the ladies that they start taking excessive risks. Reasonable tips that motivate the ladies to do the best they can for you without taking excessive risks is what I'm talking about here.

When you do too much of anything, then this can lead to bad consequences. You have to be reasonable in everything you do.

BionicMan

08-15-09, 17:54

Giotto Pleasssse Please dont Yawn

Riddle Time!!

Why do smart hookers/escorts/etc in bangkok get paid between 150-200K Bhat per month and a Doctor in Bangkok only gets paid 75-150k per month?

Why?
Unless the doctor is a cutie (and a willing one) I do not see myself paying to f*** a (male) doctor. (edited: not even for free, LOL!)
Hence, there is more people ready to drop money to fuck hookers than to fuck doctors!:)))

Terry Terrier

08-16-09, 02:19

Bankers took excessive risks to earn their bonuses. Which has lead to some unfortunate consequences. Perhaps their bonuses were excessive. And that's why they took excessive risks.

If customers start giving million dollar tips to massage ladies. Then these ladies might also start having unprotected sex and taking all kinds of risks with their health and that of their clients in order to please their generous clients. Which can lead to some pretty bad consequences for both the ladies and their clients.

But I'm not urging anyone to give such excessive tips to the ladies that they start taking excessive risks. Reasonable tips that motivate the ladies to do the best they can for you without taking excessive risks is what I'm talking about here.

When you do too much of anything, then this can lead to bad consequences. You have to be reasonable in everything you do.You wouldn't, by any chance, be a banker or somebody connected to the financial industry would you Dan?

The Pro

08-16-09, 03:41

Seems to be a lot of people missing the point and also flying off at various tangents.

Firstly, you cannot compare "tips" in different industries, and different countries.

Thailand like most countries in Asia is a "NO TIP" country, unlike say the USA where tipping is mandatory. However due to an influx of tourists from both "tip is mandatory" and "tipping not required" countries a certain level of tipping does go on, even though really its not needed.

Now, you may tip a local waiter or server in a bar or restaurant, as you go back again and again and they will help find a seat when busy or tell you whats good or not. This is the "repeat business" tip.

You may tip your regular non sexual massage girl who does her job above and beyond the expecation you have. This is the "good servce" tip as well as being a "retaining tip".

You may give a good employee a bonus, this is in effect a "retaining tip".

Sexually, those boring people who like to visit the same girl over and over and over again and not mix it up and have new ones all the time, they might see the benefits of a "retaining tip".

The only reason you might tip for the sexual services of a prostitute (be it gogo/massage/sauna/freelancer) is that she has done something extraordinary and above the agreed service level.

You pick up a freelancer and agree 1000B short time. You take her back and do her. You pay her 1000 baht. You would only give her more if she did something special, like made you cum 3 times and let you have BBBJCIM and anal as well (if these were not part of the agreed 1000b short term).

You take a massage girl and the agreed amount is 1500baht for FS. You might pay her more if she did something special as above.

You take an Annies girl and you know when you pay the money you have paid for one shot BBBJ in the bath, and then one round of FS. So provided you get one shot in the bath BBBJ and one shot on the bed with FS you have got what you paid for. There is no need to pay extra to the girl.

Now if she does something special and allows anal or gives you 3 shots you should tip her as its not part of the service you have already paid up front for.

The basic facts of life for Asia are simple ;

If you get what you paid for you do not need to tip.

If you get something more than what you paid for you should tip.

Annies has been a smart cookie for years, using the "paid up front system" so they take more of the cut than other places, but keeping the girls happy by allowing them to get tips out of customers as well. Its located in a great place, has a high amount of USA customers (who owing to the system at home are more inclined to freely tip when its not needed), and for years its only local competitor was Darlings on Soi 12.

As I have said many times, I have used Annies in the past and likely will in the future and I have nothing against the place BUT those that attempt to win favour/free whiskeys or whatever by promoting the place or the way it works and trying to say its normal to tip are not going to get a free ride and I will point out their errors.

We are all here for the benefit of each other, to find the best places and also the best value.

If some of us are promoting certain places where we are friends with the owner, or regularly go for drinkies with the owner, or get a special discount for writing something on the net, or get a free drink for helping out, then its "paid for promotion" and its certainly not in the interest of the mongering community in general.

Soapy Fuk

08-16-09, 15:40

Hehe! Well the next time bionic man your nuts n bolts need some fixing please dont see a doctor ! see a hooker who will moonlight as a doctor or vice versa!

Am sure it will cure the rust!

Unless the doctor is a cutie (and a willing one) I do not see myself paying to f*** a (male) doctor. (edited: not even for free, LOL!)
Hence, there is more people ready to drop money to fuck hookers than to fuck doctors!:)))

Dan7373

08-16-09, 16:54

Seems to be a lot of people missing the point and also flying off at various tangents....

Sexually, those boring people who like to visit the same girl over and over and over again and not mix it up and have new ones all the time, they might see the benefits of a "retaining tip".

The only reason you might tip for the sexual services of a prostitute (be it gogo/massage/sauna/freelancer) is that she has done something extraordinary and above the agreed service level.

You pick up a freelancer and agree 1000B short time. You take her back and do her. You pay her 1000 baht. You would only give her more if she did something special, like made you cum 3 times and let you have BBBJCIM and anal as well (if these were not part of the agreed 1000b short term).

You take a massage girl and the agreed amount is 1500baht for FS. You might pay her more if she did something special as above.

You take an Annies girl and you know when you pay the money you have paid for one shot BBBJ in the bath, and then one round of FS. So provided you get one shot in the bath BBBJ and one shot on the bed with FS you have got what you paid for. There is no need to pay extra to the girl.

Now if she does something special and allows anal or gives you 3 shots you should tip her as its not part of the service you have already paid up front for....
I suppose it all depends on how personally you take your encounters with the willing ladies.

You can be either very business-like and treat the massage lady as an employee providing a service that you've paid for. Or you can take it personally and enjoy the GFE experience with the lady.

When you treat the lady as an employee without any connection to you, except that you've paid her some money to provide a service for you. Then you are right about not paying her any more than you have to.

But if you want to enjoy the GFE experience with the ladies you meet. Then such business-like approach is counter-productive. You can't treat the lady as a common prostitute and expect her to treat you as her boyfriend. It just doesn't work that way.

When the lady gives you more than just sex. She acts as your friend while you are having sex with her and satisfies your feeling of loneliness. Then she does a lot more for you than most common prostitutes in western countries do for their clients. For that matter, she does more for you than most wives do for their husbands. And giving her an extra tip for that is the right thing to do.

As for visiting the same lady again and again, it's a matter of taste. If the lady is really good-looking and if she is really good in bed. Then why would I want to go after less attractive ladies who might not be so good in bed?

The only time it makes sense to butterfly is when you like several ladies and you can't make up your mind which one of them you like more.

Csun213

08-16-09, 19:07

Terry Terrier

08-16-09, 22:18

Aslan

08-17-09, 06:16

If some of us are promoting certain places where we are friends with the owner, or regularly go for drinkies with the owner, or get a special discount for writing something on the net, or get a free drink for helping out, then its "paid for promotion" and its certainly not in the interest of the mongering community in general.

Hell yea. That has been my argument all along. If you're writing great reports and aren't willing to listen to bad ones the board is of no use. Annie's will try to promote their business and oppose anything negative. Biased information doesn't help us, but it is easy to spot when it comes from a business or provider. What we don't need is cheap mongers trying to get free or discounted service by always promoting or coming out to defend a business.

I wasn't aware that Annie's only gave you one pop in the bed. I've had the girls many times ask me if I wanted it in the tub or on the bed. I just assumed you would get two no matter where you chose to take them. I always choose one in the tub and the soapy part is the main reason I went there in the past.

NicFrenchy

08-17-09, 11:06

I wasn't aware that Annie's only gave you one pop in the bed. I've had the girls many times ask me if I wanted it in the tub or on the bed. I just assumed you would get two no matter where you chose to take them. I always choose one in the tub and the soapy part is the main reason I went there in the past.

It depends. If I go and visit a regular Girl (Miss NAM, for example) I will get at least 3 shots. But you can't blame the girls or the parlor all the time!
Many mongers actually can't shoot their loads twice in a 2 hour period so sometimes, girls prefer to ask.

Member #3428

08-17-09, 22:15

I will get at least 3 shots.

Are you dreaming again Frenchy? Since when can you shoot three times in 24 hour period let alone two hours?

Many mongers actually can't shoot their loads twice in a 2 hour period so sometimes, girls prefer to ask.

Really? Is this some type of sickness? How do I not catch this disease?

Seriously... I agree, there are some girls that can me shoot repeatedly just something about the chemistry or such. Then there are girls that while I'm nailing them and such but the urge to splurge just ain't there as much.... Maybe that is why I have certain girls in certain places and it is so damn difficult to take new ones. But I take new girls for the community just to try them out....

NicFrenchy

08-18-09, 02:36

Are you dreaming again Frenchy? Since when can you shoot three times in 24 hour period let alone two hours?

Well, since you ask, I can easily shoot 3 times in a 2 hour period! Next time I see you @ the Lodge, I'll shoot my foot up your ass 3 times in less than a minute :D

Dan7373

08-18-09, 17:20

I agree that if you are going back for the same lady, it would be nice if you tip her since you will be seeing her again. I don't see the reason why you would tip if she gives you the normal service and you don't plan on seeing her again.

A lady does not know ahead of time whether you plan on tipping her or not so the tip does not factor into this.

The purpose of a tip is for above and beyond the performance of a normal service. If you are just getting what you are paying for then you have paid the agreed amount.

Do you tip 500B your free lancers for agreed service, if not then the same should be applied to Annie's girls.
The lady doesn't know if you will tip her or not. But she knows that her chances of getting a tip are better when she does well for you.

If you don't tip the lady despite a very good effort and performance from her. Then she probably will tell her friends about it. And even if you choose another lady next time you come back to the same place, your new lady might already know that you are a Cheap Charlie.

The only way you can really get away with being a Cheap Charlie without any consequences for you is if you don't ever come back to the same massage place again. Or if you come back there after such a long time that the ladies there no longer remember you.

Csun213

08-18-09, 20:01

The lady doesn't know if you will tip her or not. But she knows that her chances of getting a tip are better when she does well for you.

If you don't tip the lady despite a very good effort and performance from her. Then she probably will tell her friends about it. And even if you choose another lady next time you come back to the same place, your new lady might already know that you are a Cheap Charlie.

The only way you can really get away with being a Cheap Charlie without any consequences for you is if you don't ever come back to the same massage place again. Or if you come back there after such a long time that the ladies there no longer remember you.

If what you say is true (which I believe it is) then tip is a must if you are planning on coming back. Then Annie is not cheaper than other places since their fishbowl would be 2200B and sideline 3000B including the must tip.

The only thing over the other places is 2 shots so for guys that are interested in only 1 shot, not the best deal.

NicFrenchy

08-19-09, 02:47

If what you say is true (which I believe it is) then tip is a must if you are planning on coming back. Then Annie is not cheaper than other places since their fishbowl would be 2200B and sideline 3000B including the must tip.

Can we please get over this tipping nonsense? Not that what has been said is wrong, but can't we leave it that tipping is "up to the punter"?
for god's sake, don't you guys have better to do than to bicker about a 10 fucking dollars tip?
You're coming all the way to thailand to get laid and then make a fuss over chump change? get real.
(Csun213, this was not directed at you, just in general)

The only thing over the other places is 2 shots so for guys that are interested in only 1 shot, not the best deal.

*sigh* now this isn't a very smart thing to say (to stay polite).
The BEST deal isn't necessarily the cheapest or the one that makes you "shoot" the most.
Some places are very expensive but the "Value for money" makes it very appealing.

I got laid in Thailand for as low as 500thb, but is this something I would be willing to classify as the BEST deal? no way. Shabby place, very average lady, very mechanical service.
On the other hand, I have had girls for 4,000thb who offered such a good experience that I would gladly repeat.

Let's say this one is also at the discretion of the punter... different strokes for different folks.

Daddy07

08-19-09, 04:27

Can we please get over this tipping nonsense? Not that what has been said is wrong, but can't we leave it that tipping is "up to the punter"?
for god's sake, don't you guys have better to do than to bicker about a 10 fucking dollars tip?...
I thought this was the ISG – International Sex GUIDE. This is where men go to find out how to get sex providers anywhere in the world. Mongers need and want such guidance. Where are the girls? What services do they perform? How much do they cost? Farang surcharges are part of the cost. Tipping is part of the cost. When I walk into a massage parlor, I want to know what to expect and I think most of us feel the same. What is the total cost for a soapy visit? If tipping is expected, how much is required? That’s what we want to know.

Of course, if money is no object, the cost part of it doesn’t matter, but to many of us cost is a very important part of the equation. How many of us, for example, would pay the outrageous $1,000 USD bar fine for the company of Piper’s Galaxy Club European girl on Walking Street? I suspect that not even Nic Frenchy would be dumb enough to waste that kind of dough on a hooker no matter how hot the chick. Even Piper (who has more money than God) walked away from that bullshit. For me it’s good to know about the Galaxy Club scam as that is a place I will definitely avoid. Same for farang surcharges. I will never pay one no matter what. It’s the principle of the thing. I just don’t like to pay too much.

I have a fellow lawyer pal in the states who loves to order Dom Perignon champagne at well over $100 a bottle when he casually parties. He buys it by the case. He loves to go to Vegas and play blackjack at the $100/chip minimum table, and thinks nothing about tipping a cocktail waitress 100% or more for bringing him a drink. Just watching him do stuff like that makes me physically sick. This guy has no more money than me. But he’s still putting on a suit and tie every day and busting his nuts at the office and in court 6 days a week to keep his head above water, while I retired at age 49 and am now living like a king in paradise. I know how to manage my money. He doesn’t. And, as it turns out, I have a lot more fun than him.

NicFrenchy

08-19-09, 10:12

BionicMan

08-19-09, 11:50

I thought this was the ISG – International Sex GUIDE. This is where men go to find out how to get sex providers anywhere in the world. Mongers need and want such guidance. Where are the girls? What services do they perform? How much do they cost? Farang surcharges are part of the cost. Tipping is part of the cost. When I walk into a massage parlor, I want to know what to expect and I think most of us feel the same. What is the total cost for a soapy visit? If tipping is expected, how much is required? That’s what we want to know.

Of course, if money is no object, the cost part of it doesn’t matter, but to many of us cost is a very important part of the equation. How many of us, for example, would pay the outrageous $1,000 USD bar fine for the company of Piper’s Galaxy Club European girl on Walking Street? I suspect that not even Nic Frenchy would be dumb enough to waste that kind of dough on a hooker no matter how hot the chick. Even Piper (who has more money than God) walked away from that bullshit. For me it’s good to know about the Galaxy Club scam as that is a place I will definitely avoid. Same for farang surcharges. I will never pay one no matter what. It’s the principle of the thing. I just don’t like to pay too much.

I have a fellow lawyer pal in the states who loves to order Dom Perignon champagne at well over $100 a bottle when he casually parties. He buys it by the case. He loves to go to Vegas and play blackjack at the $100/chip minimum table, and thinks nothing about tipping a cocktail waitress 100% or more for bringing him a drink. Just watching him do stuff like that makes me physically sick. This guy has no more money than me. But he’s still putting on a suit and tie every day and busting his nuts at the office and in court 6 days a week to keep his head above water, while I retired at age 49 and am now living like a king in paradise. I know how to manage my money. He doesn’t. And, as it turns out, I have a lot more fun than him.

Fair enough Daddy07, but the discussion on tipping has taken more space and time and bytes than the denuclearization program of Iran...
I mean... once we establish girls working in a place expect some tipping, that the rate prices are "all inclusive", that tipping is xxx amount of cash... how much do we need to debate on it?
The rest is left to the idivdual, whether tipping or not. Period.
The debate became non sense to me after the first, let's say, 10 posts.
Each one has his own evalution means to decide whether tipping or not.

Have fun! (and well done in retiring at 49! I am very envious!)

Daddy07

08-19-09, 11:52

Wrong.
Tipping isn't part of the Cost if it is not included! why try to over-analyze this tipping act?

There is no such thing as an "included tip". tipping is always over and above the price and given as a reward for good service. ALL Sex workers expect a tip, why wouldn't they? but it is up to the customer to give it.

Following your logic, then if I say Annies girls expect 2,000 tips, would that make the cost 3,700 in your mind?
Well, of course tipping isn’t part of the cost if no tip is given. If given, however, it surely is part of the cost, and you do admit that sex workers all expect a tip.

I confess, I’ve never been to France, or Europe for that matter, but I know there are many situations in the US and elsewhere in the world where if you forget or decline to provide a tip your service provider will chase you out the door with a shrill voice and wagging finger all the way down the street. It’s nice to know about those kinds of situations beforehand to avoid embarrassment and mortification. I like to know up front what is expected. A fee is a fee and a tip is a tip, right? It’s the total cost that counts.

Frankly, I don’t have a lot of experience with massage parlors because I believe other opportunities for sex present a better value. In the case of bar girls and freelancers, the lady’s “tip” is always exactly the amount agreed upon before the service is provided, no more, no less, unless I give in to pleas for taxi money sometimes. At oily massage parlors, my understanding is that a set fee is paid to the house, and the additional cost of sexual services is a negotiable “tip,” such as 1500 baht for FS, in which case, nothing more is expected after the fun. In that situation, I want to know what the girl expects for her services before I commit to buying them. That number plus the house fee, and perhaps a small sum for the wait staff, is the total cost for the adventure.

Now, the tipping situation with soapies appears a bit more complicated IMHO. Is there such a thing as an “all in” understanding with these shops? I thought so. You pay the papasan for everything, including the sex, right? So, you pay Aey at Annie’s 1700 for a soapy session with a fishbowl girl, right? It’s all inclusive, right? All in?

Well, no … maybe not…in fact, probably not. That Annie’s girl is going to be mighty unhappy with you if you leave without giving her a “tip.” That’s my conclusion after reading every post in this thread. It’s expected. What about the situations at Poseidon and all the other soapies? Are additional “tips” going to be expected or not? The answer might very well affect my decision to take it or leave it. I don’t like to pay too much, sure, but I don’t want to pay too little either. I want to know what is considered fair in each situation.

Surely you will agree, Nic, that this kind of information for mongers is valuable and one of the purposes of this forum.

NicFrenchy

08-20-09, 02:51

Well, of course tipping isn’t part of the cost if no tip is given. If given, however, it surely is part of the cost, and you do admit that sex workers all expect a tip.

Well, since you are from the US of A, let me ask you this:
Don't the waiters/waitresses expect tips? (in your home country I mean).
They get a fix wage for providing a service, but the idea of receiving a TIP at the end incentivises them to perform better, am I right?

Frankly, I don’t have a lot of experience with massage parlors because I believe other opportunities for sex present a better value. In the case of bar girls and freelancers, the lady’s “tip” is always exactly the amount agreed upon before the service is provided, no more, no less, unless I give in to pleas for taxi money sometimes. At oily massage parlors, my understanding is that a set fee is paid to the house, and the additional cost of sexual services is a negotiable “tip,” such as 1500 baht for FS, in which case, nothing more is expected after the fun. In that situation, I want to know what the girl expects for her services before I commit to buying them. That number plus the house fee, and perhaps a small sum for the wait staff, is the total cost for the adventure.

No, no and no again.... your reasoning, while not erroneous is not entirely correct: you are mixing up Tip & Fee.
At a massage parlor, I am paying 400thb for a 1 hour massage: this is a fix fee for a fix service. In the room, I can choose to pay another FEE for another kind of service: 500 for HJ, 1000 for BJ, 1500 for FS: this is in NO WAY a TIP!! just because some people in here call it a tip does not make it right. a tip is a monetary gratification given to a service provider, over and above the fee for the performed service.
If the massage lady gives you the worst HJ of your life, the cost will still be 500thb no? so why call it a tip? it would seem dumb to me to "reward" someone with a tip for a bad service.
You are mixing everything up.

Now, the tipping situation with soapies appears a bit more complicated IMHO. Is there such a thing as an “all in” understanding with these shops? I thought so. You pay the papasan for everything, including the sex, right? So, you pay Aey at Annie’s 1700 for a soapy session with a fishbowl girl, right? It’s all inclusive, right? All in?

Well, no … maybe not…in fact, probably not. That Annie’s girl is going to be mighty unhappy with you if you leave without giving her a “tip.” That’s my conclusion after reading every post in this thread. It’s expected. What about the situations at Poseidon and all the other soapies? Are additional “tips” going to be expected or not? The answer might very well affect my decision to take it or leave it. I don’t like to pay too much, sure, but I don’t want to pay too little either. I want to know what is considered fair in each situation.

You still don't get it... whether you are at Annies or Poseidon, the ladies will expect a tip, but as these places ARE all inclusive, it is your decision to tip or not.
If you are too weak at heart to face a whining pooying begging for a tip, then don't blame the parlors. I have had no problem telling girls that did not perform that although they expect a tip, they have certainly not deserved it.

Surely you will agree, Nic, that this kind of information for mongers is valuable and one of the purposes of this forum.
Yes, I agree, but maybe this discussion isn't for the ANNIES Thread? :D

Traveler1234

08-20-09, 03:06

Yes, I agree, but maybe this discussion isn't for the ANNIES Thread? :D

I agree ;)

1Ball

08-20-09, 03:50

The word TIPS is an acronym of 4 separate words.

To Insure Proper Service.

(in case anyone actually cares)

Member #3428

08-20-09, 03:57

The word TIPS is an acronym of 4 separate words.

To Insure Proper Service.

(in case anyone actually cares)

Really? Hell how stupid of me, I thought it was where I have sex

Thailand - Indonesia - Philippines - Singapore = TIPS

:D

Senile Older Brother... TIPS is an Acronym for about 120 different terms...

(in case anyone actually cares)

FreebieFan

08-20-09, 06:46

The word TIPS is an acronym of 4 separate words.

To Insure Proper Service.

(in case anyone actually cares)Grammar and proper word useage was never my strong suit, but wouldnt the correct word be "ensure".... does this mean for years in every country we have been mispronouncing the word?

Isnt "insure"something we do that to prevent theft, breakage or damage. And I can think of a few ladies who have done all three to me.

The Pro

08-20-09, 17:42

Errrrrr. No its not.

Firstly its a TIP, not TIPS.

Secondly if it were based on 4 words it would be TEPS.

To Ensure Proper Service.

You cannot Insure service, you are trying to Ensure it.

Its like those idiots selling Life Insurance. Well you cannot. They are selling Life Assurance (to assure that in the event of something bad that there is cover). However the IQ of people who say they are selling Life Insurance says it all about the products and company they are working for.

Ensure, not Insure, and its TIP, not TIPS.

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And Frenchy if the bill says it includes "service charge" then you are not obligated to pay any TIP. This is the rules of the game. Any waiter expecting a tip when the house has already charged a "service charge" will be told politely to fcuk right off.

So a massage place in Thailand that charges "service fee's" up front equally cannot expect any patron to pay an additional tip. Its "all in".

The word TIPS is an acronym of 4 separate words.

To Insure Proper Service.

(in case anyone actually cares)

1Ball

08-20-09, 21:32

I have heard many many people say they are working for TIPS. I have never heard anyone say they are working for TIP.

I guess, if your plan is to only work in order to receive 1 TIP each day, then you are right, it is TIP.

But most people, be it MP girls, waiters, baggage workers at airports, taxi drivers, etc, probably hope to get more than 1 customer in 1 day, so they are hoping to earn TIPS.

I actually don't give a flying rat's ass if it is TIP, TIPS, TEPS, or GFY, I just thought that after 4,000 pages of this bullshit on tipping girls at Annie's, or not tipping girls at Annie's, with no resolution in sight, I would make a comment.

But keep at it, the world is not ending tomorrow, so please, continue this worthless discussion for another month.

And yes, TIPS is probably an acronym for 140 different terms, 139 of them, being completely irrelevant here.

cheers

Errrrrr. No its not.

Firstly its a TIP, not TIPS.

Secondly if it were based on 4 words it would be TEPS.

To Ensure Proper Service.

You cannot Insure service, you are trying to Ensure it.

Its like those idiots selling Life Insurance. Well you cannot. They are selling Life Assurance (to assure that in the event of something bad that there is cover). However the IQ of people who say they are selling Life Insurance says it all about the products and company they are working for.

Ensure, not Insure, and its TIP, not TIPS.

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And Frenchy if the bill says it includes "service charge" then you are not obligated to pay any TIP. This is the rules of the game. Any waiter expecting a tip when the house has already charged a "service charge" will be told politely to fcuk right off.

So a massage place in Thailand that charges "service fee's" up front equally cannot expect any patron to pay an additional tip. Its "all in".

BionicMan

08-20-09, 22:29

....... I just thought that after 4,000 pages of this bullshit on tipping girls at Annie's, or not tipping girls at Annie's, with no resolution in sight, I would make a comment....

Come one...be nice to us..give us a "tip" on some of the 139 meanings..:)

1Ball

08-21-09, 02:26

Senile Older Brother... TIPS is an Acronym for about 120 different terms...

My apologies, Bionicman, it is 120 terms, not 140.

May I suggest you ask Tansak for the remainder of the 119 meanings.

Tricky3000

08-21-09, 06:29

Apologies in advance on wasting the bandwidth and space (especially on this thread, which has nothing to do with this), but I hate to see BS spread around, too. Let's just look it up and be done with it, eh?

The rest of this post is cut-'n-paste.

http://www.snopes.com/language/acronyms/tip.asp
Claim: The word "tip" comes from an acronym for "To Insure Promptness" or "To Insure Performance."
Status: False.
Origins: Once again our lust for interesting backstories to everyday words has led many to believe that 'tip' (used in the sense of a gratuity) came into the English language as an acronym, a word formed by combining the initial letters of a name or series of words. Disappointingly, there were no 'TIPS'-labelled boxes into which thirsty pub patrons of centuries past stuffed their offerings in efforts to keep the libations flowing — 'tip' entered our lexicon in much more mundane fashion. We've yet to find an acronym that predates the 20th century, and 'tip' (used in the sense of a gratuity) is much older than that.

'Tip' as an acronym appears to have three primary "explanations," none of them valid:
To Insure Promptness
To Insure Performance
To Insure Prompt Service

Each of the "explanations" is long on fanciful theory and short on practicality. Although handing over a gratuity prior to the act might inspire the one receiving the largesse to provide a higher level of service, there is nothing "insured" about the transaction. (One might claim that should more properly be "ensured," not "insured," but those two words have a long history of being used in the same sense in English.) A waiter generously pre-greased is just as capable of delivering poor service as one who is not tipped until the meal has been served and cleared and the bill presented. Indeed, tipping up front might well prove counterproductive in that the provision of the palm oil before the act removes a substantial portion of the incentive to perform admirably. The money's already being in the pocket, so to speak, lessens the server's interest in making sure that all goes well. Some maintain that a tip is not furnished ahead of time, so the above explication does not 'disprove' the acronymic claim. In that case one once again has to wonder where the 'insure' part of the false etymologies comes from, since the act being recognized with a gratuity has already been carried out. The service was either good or it wasn't; no gratuity, no matter how large, enables anyone to go back into time and 'insure' that whatever has already taken place will be satisfactory.

'Tip' is an old word, and it has nothing to do with either acronyms or the act of attempting to influence quality of service. Although the word has many meanings, both as a verb and as a noun, the use of the term as it applies to monetary rewards to servants dates to the 1700s. It first appeared in this context as a verb ("Then I, Sir, tips me the Verger with half a Crown" from the 1706 George Farquhar play The Beaux Stratagem) and was first recorded as a noun in 1755. However, the use of 'tip' to describe the act of giving something to another (where that list of possible 'somethings' could include small sums of money, intelligence on horse races, or the latest silly joke) goes back to 1610. 'Tip' slipped into the language as underworld slang, with the verb 'to tip' (meaning 'to give to or share with') being used by shady characters as part of the then-current argot of petty criminals.

Fon Tok

08-21-09, 10:06

'Tip' is an old word, and it has nothing to do with either acronyms or the act of attempting to influence quality of service....Back before my knees ached every morning, I was a ski instructor. At the end of every lesson we used to do a quick recap for the students. Usually this verbal recap was limited by time to a very brief, "Always remember the TIP of your ski."

Yes, we were shameless P4P ski service providers...aka, ski wh*res, and we usually drank up our tips at the bar after the lifts closed!

LittleBigMan

08-21-09, 11:08

Everyone can spin the definition of TIP all they want. In the end for whatever reason it was created it no longer applies in this day and age! There are very few that will ever go beyond the scope of their job for Pride! and in the P4P, it might be non-existence!

Now I said it and it didn't take a whole lot of space did it?

LBM

Daddy07

08-21-09, 11:29

...There are very few that will ever go beyond the scope of their job for Pride! and in the P4P, it might be non-existence! ... LBM
Tammy, ... er, I mean Chompoo, does. :D

Hunter1969

08-21-09, 12:20

Pleeze!

Stop whining about the tip at Annies, in an MP you tip the girl if you are satisfied.
If not satisfied, no tip. All over Bkk and Thailand its like this.

I had a girl (no 4) about 1 year ago. Cute, but small and saggy tits.

Great service, 3 pops, got 500 in tip.

Pleeze stop whining about the tip, and lets hear about the experiences instead.

The Pro

08-21-09, 13:52

Thanks tricky.

In response to Tansak and Frenchy one would suggest they go for English lessons (Lit and Lan).

Apologies in advance on wasting the bandwidth and space (especially on this thread, which has nothing to do with this), but I hate to see BS spread around, too. Let's just look it up and be done with it, eh?

The rest of this post is cut-'n-paste.

http://www.snopes.com/language/acronyms/tip.asp
Claim: The word "tip" comes from an acronym for "To Insure Promptness" or "To Insure Performance."
Status: False.
Origins: Once again our lust for interesting backstories to everyday words has led many to believe that 'tip' (used in the sense of a gratuity) came into the English language as an acronym, a word formed by combining the initial letters of a name or series of words. Disappointingly, there were no 'TIPS'-labelled boxes into which thirsty pub patrons of centuries past stuffed their offerings in efforts to keep the libations flowing — 'tip' entered our lexicon in much more mundane fashion. We've yet to find an acronym that predates the 20th century, and 'tip' (used in the sense of a gratuity) is much older than that.

'Tip' as an acronym appears to have three primary "explanations," none of them valid:
To Insure Promptness
To Insure Performance
To Insure Prompt Service

Each of the "explanations" is long on fanciful theory and short on practicality. Although handing over a gratuity prior to the act might inspire the one receiving the largesse to provide a higher level of service, there is nothing "insured" about the transaction. (One might claim that should more properly be "ensured," not "insured," but those two words have a long history of being used in the same sense in English.) A waiter generously pre-greased is just as capable of delivering poor service as one who is not tipped until the meal has been served and cleared and the bill presented. Indeed, tipping up front might well prove counterproductive in that the provision of the palm oil before the act removes a substantial portion of the incentive to perform admirably. The money's already being in the pocket, so to speak, lessens the server's interest in making sure that all goes well. Some maintain that a tip is not furnished ahead of time, so the above explication does not 'disprove' the acronymic claim. In that case one once again has to wonder where the 'insure' part of the false etymologies comes from, since the act being recognized with a gratuity has already been carried out. The service was either good or it wasn't; no gratuity, no matter how large, enables anyone to go back into time and 'insure' that whatever has already taken place will be satisfactory.

'Tip' is an old word, and it has nothing to do with either acronyms or the act of attempting to influence quality of service. Although the word has many meanings, both as a verb and as a noun, the use of the term as it applies to monetary rewards to servants dates to the 1700s. It first appeared in this context as a verb ("Then I, Sir, tips me the Verger with half a Crown" from the 1706 George Farquhar play The Beaux Stratagem) and was first recorded as a noun in 1755. However, the use of 'tip' to describe the act of giving something to another (where that list of possible 'somethings' could include small sums of money, intelligence on horse races, or the latest silly joke) goes back to 1610. 'Tip' slipped into the language as underworld slang, with the verb 'to tip' (meaning 'to give to or share with') being used by shady characters as part of the then-current argot of petty criminals.

LittleBigMan

08-21-09, 15:51

Daddy07,

You got me there Daddy! Now that is one person I don't mind overpaying and on top of that provide a good tip for licking and sucking licking and sucking licking and sucking licking and sucking licking and sucking.

LBM

NicFrenchy

08-22-09, 01:30

Tricky,
Nice one, so now that we've seen you can copy/paste info from the internet, anything to contribute to Annies? at all? have you even been there before?

Miss Nam (#14 if my memory serves me right) is the one with the tatoos on the back. Now she has a nice set of hooters and probably some of the best nipples I've seen in the last few years.

Tricky3000

08-22-09, 03:46

Tricky,

Nice one, so now that we've seen you can copy/paste info from the internet, anything to contribute to Annies? at all? have you even been there before?Hey, NicFrenchy. I think my copy/paste work did its job by killing some pointless tangent that would've gone on another 10 posts (already had about 8 pointless posts before it!). It wasn't meant to antagonize you, but to move things along to more important matters, like reports... or anything else!

Yes, I've been to Annie's once, which I posted about in the past over at Private Bangkok, not ISG, since it was 3.5 years ago. Good time but a report would be irrelevant now since the girl is gone and things have changed, from what I've read. My other posts here at ISG have been about the places I actually have been to more recently.

Mc Gee

08-22-09, 07:48

'Tip' as an acronym appears to have three primary "explanations," none of them valid:

To Insure Promptness
To Insure Performance
To Insure Prompt ServiceWhy not call it for what it is:

To Improve Performance

Fast Eddie 48

08-23-09, 22:51

Why not call it for what it is:

To Improve PerformanceGunter,

But at Annie tip or tips mean mandatory either you like it or not.

Fast eddie 48

NicFrenchy

08-25-09, 02:47

Gunter,

But at Annie tip or tips mean mandatory either you like it or not.

Fast eddie 48

That's not true... at all. No Tip is ever mandatory and especially at Annies.
it's 1,700 all included.
If you want to tip, it's up to you but IN NO WAY mandatory.

Fast Eddie 48

08-25-09, 05:06

That's not true... at all. No Tip is ever mandatory and especially at Annies.

it's 1,700 all included.

If you want to tip, it's up to you but IN NO WAY mandatory.

to NIC,

The 2 time I was there after the deed girl told me I must tip is mandatory and they will not take less than 500 bht ,that is why I have not been back for over 2 yr and now they raise the price go somewhere else, never ever I been to a place that is so pushy on tipping and I been to many sauna around the world,why do you think there are so many complaint on this forum and this forum only.

Fast Eddie 48

NicFrenchy

08-26-09, 10:26

to NIC,

The 2 time I was there after the deed girl told me I must tip is mandatory and they will not take less than 500 bht ,

Just tell the girl to get lost. I did before with a Darling Girl, she was so pushy about wanting 1,000 that she ended up with a "fuck you adn have a nice day"

Dan7373

08-26-09, 18:32

....
Miss Nam (#14 if my memory serves me right) is the one with the tatoos on the back. Now she has a nice set of hooters and probably some of the best nipples I've seen in the last few years.
Thanks for the info about the nipples. This is one thing you can never know about a massage lady just by looking at her in her dress. Which makes it hard to choose the lady you like, when it's the lady's nipples you are interested in.

I'm not especially interested in certain kind of nipples. But I do like to see puffy nipples, extra large areolas, and extra big, long, and thick nipples regardless of how big or how small the lady's tits are.

Normally I choose ladies with big boobs because that's easy to see when you meet the ladies. But if I had some way of knowing that some of the other ladies have the kind of nipples I like. Then I probably would've ended up choosing them instead of simply going after sheer boob size.

I like good-looking nipples even more than large boob size. But there is no easy way to compare and contrast the ladies' nipples when you are choosing a massage lady. Unless you've had a massage with all of them before.

Perhaps massage parlors should have pictures of their ladies' nipples for customers who want to choose their massage lady this way. I think this would even up the playing field for all of the ladies with the guys. Because as it stands now, big-titted ladies have a big advantage over the rest of the ladies. And that's not fair to all of the smaller-titted ladies who have really good-looking nipples. Because they probably would be very popular among the guys they've never been with before, if only these guys had some way of knowing about their nipples.

Member #3428

09-01-09, 17:47

Got into BKK Sunday and have had three girls with me since I arrived. I took time out to visit my favorite Snow White lady on Monday and Annies today (tomorrow can't decide too many choices :D ). Been to both places before but have special time issues this trip.

Anyways contacted Aey prior while I was in manila and I was graphic about the girl I wanted and I wanted a special early booking. Aey and I talked about 10 emails back and forth and we settled on a girl. I was very explicit in my requests and she came back with a few options etc...

Showed up early this morning before opening really for a two hour booking. Nice girl, she was surprised to see what I looked like as I guess the description from Aey left a lot to be imagined :D

She filled up the tub but we never got in it, we started to rock and roll right away. Had good chemistry and Aey had told her a little about me so she knew a few things, like once I shoot my first load I am ready to work on shooting #2, then #3 etc... Having been to Annies before and not always ended up with the good match it was well worth it to talk to Aey ahead of time if you have special requirements.

It was so good that 2 hours turned into a 4 hour booking. Actually it was kind of funny they came to call us that our time was up and we were rocking and I was almost ready to spill my third shot so here we are using my cell phone to call the front desk to extend out our time while trying not to spoil the moment :D . That sure was a fun conversation. I won't say the number of the girl as it won't do anybody any good. This girl rode me and I rode her for 3 and half hours, I finished 5 times, the last half hour we just laid down.

As I said, it won't do anybody any good to know the number of the girl as I was explicit in what I needed to Aey and that boiled down to a girl who can rock n roll for a good 2 hours straight no bull crap massage or cuddle or such, just straight power (with certain look requirements of course). The moral is that if you take the time to contact Aey (or talk to staff), she / they will respond truthfully and she will set you up with a few choices. I got lucky, the one we picked via email was a 4 hour success.

Can I find cheaper, of course, beer garden was packed with ugly girls this afternoon. Only about 4 of them I would have talked to and ended up calling in the 3 room mates I've been screwing with from the outside to meet me there :D Could I find a girl with enough willingness and power and a Lady who enjoys humping like a rabbit for 4 hours straight... they are hard to find... Trust me they are hard to find...

And if you want to start a real pissing match you don't even want to imagine what I tipped her. But how much you tip a girl who can hump like a rabbit for 3 1/2 straight hours non stop? Going to try up another annies suggestion later most likely but this lady earned a second visit after i visit some other favorites from other shops.

NicFrenchy

09-02-09, 01:51

And if you want to start a real pissing match you don't even want to imagine what I tipped her. But how much you tip a girl who can hump like a rabbit for 3 1/2 straight hours non stop? Going to try up another annies suggestion later most likely but this lady earned a second visit after i visit some other favorites from other shops.

For 3.5 hours of non stop screw and 5 shots? I'd have given her 2,000

Member #3428

09-02-09, 02:15

For 3.5 hours of non stop screw and 5 shots? I'd have given her 2,000

Did you take in the Rabbit Factor? :D

Centaurus

09-02-09, 05:20

... she was surprised to see what I looked like as I guess the description from Aey left a lot to be imagined :DOh, that sounds interesting. Care to elaborate?
:D

Member #3428

09-02-09, 10:08

Oh, that sounds interesting. Care to elaborate?
:D

Not really sure the girl wasn't quite clear but something about straight sex no stop big man etc... True I used to be big but now am fitness a lot. So she was expecting a 300 lb water buffalo to come crashing on top of her I guess. :D

Dan7373

09-02-09, 17:16

....
As I said, it won't do anybody any good to know the number of the girl as I was explicit in what I needed to Aey and that boiled down to a girl who can rock n roll for a good 2 hours straight no bull crap massage or cuddle or such, just straight power (with certain look requirements of course). The moral is that if you take the time to contact Aey (or talk to staff), she / they will respond truthfully and she will set you up with a few choices. I got lucky, the one we picked via email was a 4 hour success....

Yes, this lady might not be in the mood to have a marathon session like that with every guy every time. But once in a while she and some ladies might feel up to doing something like that with a guy, especially if he makes it worthwhile for them in terms of extra money for extra work.

Extra money for extra work is probably the key to tempting the ladies into having a marathon session like that with you. Because that extra money is pure profit for the lady. The massage place gets only the standard fee per two-hour session, regardless of how hard the lady works with you.

And if you promise the lady extra money ahead of time. Then she is more likely to agree to do the extra work with you. Because a tip you might or might not give. There is some chance you might not pay her for the extra work she does. And that kind of uncertainty limits the amount of extra work the lady is willing to do with you. Because the more extra work she does with you for which you don't pay, the bigger is her loss.

If you want something special and something extra with your lady, then definitely it's best to go through Aey to arrange a meeting with such a lady. Because Aey is in the position to tell all of the ladies what you want and how much extra money you are willing to pay for the extra work. And that way you end up with more ladies to choose from than would have if you go there and try to arrange it on the spot.

Member #3428

09-02-09, 17:33

Yes, this lady might not be in the mood to have a marathon session like that with every guy every time. But once in a while she and some ladies might feel up to doing something like that with a guy, especially if he makes it worthwhile for them in terms of extra money for extra work.

Extra money for extra work is probably the key to tempting the ladies into having a marathon session like that with you. Because that extra money is pure profit for the lady. The massage place gets only the standard fee per two-hour session, regardless of how hard the lady works with you.

And if you promise the lady extra money ahead of time. Then she is more likely to agree to do the extra work with you. Because a tip you might or might not give. There is some chance you might not pay her for the extra work she does. And that kind of uncertainty limits the amount of extra work the lady is willing to do with you. Because the more extra work she does with you for which you don't pay, the bigger is her loss.

If you want something special and something extra with your lady, then definitely it's best to go through Aey to arrange a meeting with such a lady. Because Aey is in the position to tell all of the ladies what you want and how much extra money you are willing to pay for the extra work. And that way you end up with more ladies to choose from than would have if you go there and try to arrange it on the spot.

Let me clarify, no extra money was every talked about or promised or discussed at any time, not with Aey ahead of time or with the girl. The girl got the tip in her phone case and not handed to her, she had no idea how much she got and she still was sweet until the end.

The girl went the four hours because she was happy to do so and Aey set us up correctly that we matched. Probably because I am such a handsum man :D She had no clue if she would get a tip or not.

So cash was not in the equation and no one knew we would go four hours. It was basically hooking up the right connection.

Weird One

09-03-09, 00:51

Has anyone been with Letter "X" at Annies?

Have her booked and really don't know anything about her.

Any info would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Weirdo One

The Pro

09-03-09, 00:52

Yes. but when you book special services everyone knows you are going to tip.

By requesting ahead, and causing the people there to have to work to fill your requriement you are asking for a "service above the standard customer" and therefore there will be an expectation all around that you will tip.

That is what tipping is for, payment for special service.

You got special service as you made a request to Aey, everyone knew what you wanted was not "standard" and so she knew well in advance you were going to tip well.

I am sure if you had not paid the extra you would have been given some very stern and unwelcome looks when you left.

NF says he would have paid a 2000Baht tip.

For 2000 baht you can go to Tulip, have 1 hour oil massage time, and fuck the girl and come 2 or 3 times. So for his "tip" only you could have had 3 shots with a Tulip girl.

But, thats their choice.

Let me clarify, no extra money was every talked about or promised or discussed at any time, not with Aey ahead of time or with the girl. The girl got the tip in her phone case and not handed to her, she had no idea how much she got and she still was sweet until the end.

The girl went the four hours because she was happy to do so and Aey set us up correctly that we matched. Probably because I am such a handsum man :D She had no clue if she would get a tip or not.

So cash was not in the equation and no one knew we would go four hours. It was basically hooking up the right connection.

Dan7373

09-03-09, 05:13

Let me clarify, no extra money was every talked about or promised or discussed at any time, not with Aey ahead of time or with the girl. The girl got the tip in her phone case and not handed to her, she had no idea how much she got and she still was sweet until the end.

The girl went the four hours because she was happy to do so and Aey set us up correctly that we matched. Probably because I am such a handsum man :D She had no clue if she would get a tip or not.

So cash was not in the equation and no one knew we would go four hours. It was basically hooking up the right connection.
I suppose you can get a lady to do extra work with you without any promise of extra pay, if she isn't getting many customers.

When you don't offer extra money for extra work, then you get fewer willing ladies to choose from. And the ladies who are willing probably aren't as attractive and popular as some of the other ladies are.

I think you can persuade some of the better looking ladies (including the sideline ladies) to have a special marathon session with you. If you make offers through Aey to these ladies that they will find difficult to refuse. Not every lady will agree. But the more you offer to the ladies, the more persuasive you will be.

Member #3428

09-03-09, 06:03

I suppose you can get a lady to do extra work with you without any promise of extra pay, if she isn't getting many customers.

When you don't offer extra money for extra work, then you get fewer willing ladies to choose from. And the ladies who are willing probably aren't as attractive and popular as some of the other ladies are.

I think you can persuade some of the better looking ladies (including the sideline ladies) to have a special marathon session with you. If you make offers through Aey to these ladies that they will find difficult to refuse. Not every lady will agree. But the more you offer to the ladies, the more persuasive you will be.

Again, I disagree with you. Not everything is about money no matter what people want to believe. If you have the right chemistry with a girl then anything is possible. The more you go to a bar or MP the more your requirements will become known and girls will tell you if they will make you happy or not.

I've had girls at a few bars and MP's not want to go with me as they know me nit noy and know what will be expected. This is the advantage of going to the same places over and over. I've had girls come up to me and ask me to take them because they were super horny that night when normally they do not want to go with me.

Nothing extra for cash was offered to Aey or the girl for a two hour power session. I gave her my requirements and she found the right girl. She supplied the 2 hours of service we had talked about to Aey.

We happened to have great chemistry and we went 4 hours. What was special or extra was that Aey took the time to find the right girl and it was not just one email. Aey provided feed back often and I was very graphic in my requirements I was not shy I told her everything. She was very graphic in return explaining what could be done and what could not be done. The lady is very attractive, in good shape, good attitude, good personality, everything that was asked of Aey she found.

It's not about money, it's about taking time to find the right one. And from Annies side, it is about Aey being good at the work and dealing with arse holes like me and finding the perfect fit. I do not want to walk into annies and look at the fish bowl, just like I need to talk to girls a little first before I take them. I HATE picking from books or line ups, I usually need to talk to girls a little first to get a feel for them. And Aey accomplished everything in the right business sense. Now when you go into annies, pull a few and talk to them.

Did she (Aey) make money, sure she got a 4 hour booking from me when it was supposed to be a 2 hour session. Did the girl make money, sure she got a nice tip. But we never talked money ever. And I know the girl did not know me that I tip well and she did not even know how much she got as I put it in her phone case.

So your comments about having to pay extra are not true. You can find everything you are looking for, no matter what you are looking for, for the normal prices if you spend the time to look and if you go to places that practice good business.

Member #3428

09-03-09, 08:55

You got special service as you made a request to Aey, everyone knew what you wanted was not "standard" and so she knew well in advance you were going to tip well.

Nope you are wrong. The only thing Aey knew would be that I would post an honest review as I have only posted semi negative reports in the past about Annies due to my failures at picking the fishbowl.

I am sure if you had not paid the extra you would have been given some very stern and unwelcome looks when you left.

Again you are wrong. The girl had no idea about the money. She got nothing from me. She found it after we had parted ways. You were not there so you do not know the looks I got from her or how many times she hugged and kissed me inside and outside of Annies :D Yes I did say outside annies...

Some folks think that service depends on cash and payment, very mechanical with no interaction at all. I can just imagine how some of you folks view these ladies, as money hungry wh@res only. Maybe that is why I get so much freebie repeats from pro, semi pro and non pro. I treat them like they are not garbage, like to make them laugh and enjoy life a little.

People should try this it might increase your mileage :D

NicFrenchy

09-03-09, 09:06

Some folks think that service depends on cash and payment, very mechanical with no interaction at all. I can just imagine how some of you folks view these ladies, as money hungry wh@res only. Maybe that is why I get so much freebie repeats from pro, semi pro and non pro. I treat them like they are not garbage, like to make them laugh and enjoy life a little.

People should try this it might increase your mileage :D

That, or being a hansum man can also increase your mileage :D

Member #3428

09-03-09, 09:08

That, or being a hansum man can also increase your mileage :D

Sorry I took for granted that everyone already new I was a handsum man.

The Pro

09-03-09, 12:05

Nope you are wrong. The only thing Aey knew would be that I would post an honest review as I have only posted semi negative reports in the past about Annies due to my failures at picking the fishbowl.You should remember what you posted earlier, and I will quote you - therefore you seem to have forgetten you made a special request, asked for something "non standard" and its was obvious to everyone, it should have been, that given the effort going into setting this up, you would be paying a tip as it was all "special arrangement".

09-01-09 at 23:47 #433
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Anyways contacted Aey prior while I was in manila and I was graphic about the girl I wanted and I wanted a special early booking. Aey and I talked about 10 emails back and forth and we settled on a girl. I was very explicit in my requests and she came back with a few options etc.

Dan7373

09-03-09, 16:43

Again, I disagree with you. Not everything is about money no matter what people want to believe. If you have the right chemistry with a girl then anything is possible. The more you go to a bar or MP the more your requirements will become known and girls will tell you if they will make you happy or not....

It's not about money, it's about taking time to find the right one. And from Annies side, it is about Aey being good at the work and dealing with arse holes like me and finding the perfect fit. I do not want to walk into annies and look at the fish bowl, just like I need to talk to girls a little first before I take them. I HATE picking from books or line ups, I usually need to talk to girls a little first to get a feel for them. And Aey accomplished everything in the right business sense. Now when you go into annies, pull a few and talk to them....

So your comments about having to pay extra are not true. You can find everything you are looking for, no matter what you are looking for, for the normal prices if you spend the time to look and if you go to places that practice good business.
I agree with you that it's not all about money. You have to treat the ladies well too. Or else they will refuse to deal with you.

But to say that money isn't important for the ladies who work at Annie's Massage is a sex fantasy that's hard to believe. Money is the main reason why people work on any job, unless it's a volunteer job at some non-profit organization.

And I agree with you that you probably can find ladies to fulfill your special requests without offering these ladies any extra compensation. The only problem is that the ladies who agree to fulfill your special requests might not be the ladies you like. If you are interested in a specific lady you really like or several ladies you really like. Then a good way to persuade the ladies you like is to offer something extra to them through Aey.

And the chemistry between you and the lady depends a lot on how good you are at sexually pleasing this lady. Even an ugly girl can make you cum if she is very good at giving you a BJ. And it's also like this when an ugly guy goes with a beautiful massage lady. She can't help it but have a good time with him if he dines at the Y on her really well and pleases her in other ways too. A well-lubricated pussy massage that covers the lady's whole pussy with broad all covering strokes is what usually does it for me with every massage lady.

People's sexual desire for each other comes not only from social and psychological factors but also from their physical stimulation of each other. A lady can make you want her by grabbing your cock and playing around with it. Which doesn't happen in most social situations. But in Thai massage parlors this kind of physical play is the main way how massage ladies and their customers get their chemistry going with each other.

You don't have to wait for the chemistry to happen on its own. You can make it happen if you know what you are doing.

Csun213

09-03-09, 17:32

Suntangh R

09-03-09, 17:54

Dan7373

09-03-09, 18:02

Not to try and start something however just about everyone who have been reading posts here that you are one of the people that will strongly defend Annie against any negative remarks here.

Aey, I am sure reads them and knows that you are on her side therefore when you go there and make a special request, I am sure that Aey will make sure the girl knows to give you a great time. By all your defending of tipping, I and other guys would be really shocked if you did not leave a good tip, so I am sure that Aey probably will also tell the girl that you are usually a good tipper.

I am not sure other unknown guys here will get the same service as you did since we are not known to Aey or whether we would tip or not.

Just want to get all the fact (as I see it) out in the open.

It doesn't really matter to me because as I said in my earlier post, I don't think I will be visiting Annie on my visit since I feel there are better places out there and I will be limited in my time in Bangkok.
The simplest way for any man to show the lady that he is a generous man is for him to give her his tip ahead of time, before he has his session with her.

You take a risk that the lady might not perform with you as well as you expect. And perhaps this kind of strategy won't pay off for you every time. But in most cases, the lady will feel indebted to you during your session with her. And she will try harder to please you.

When you are a new guy, and the lady doesn't know whether you are a good tipper or not. Then you can make yourself known to her by taking the risk and giving her your tip in advance. And then you will get the same kind of special service as a well-known guy who defends Aey would also get.

And you have to give credit where credit is due. It's a lot easier and less embarrassing to negotiate with the ladies for what you want through Aey, than directly with them.

I probably would be too embarrassed to stand in front of 30-40 attractive ladies and tell them that I want a lady for a marathon fuck with 3 or 4 pops for me. And the ladies who might want to do something like this with me might be too embarrassed in front of the other ladies to come forward and agree.

Aey acts as an intermediary between you and the ladies and arranges potentially embarrassing details in private rather than in public. Aey finds for you the ladies who are willing to fulfill you special requests. And this saves you from a lot of trouble looking for such ladies on your own.

Csun213

09-03-09, 19:40

The simplest way for any man to show the lady that he is a generous man is for him to give her his tip ahead of time, before he has his session with her.

When you are a new guy, and the lady doesn't know whether you are a good tipper or not. Then you can make yourself known to her by taking the risk and giving her your tip in advance. And then you will get the same kind of special service as a well-known guy who defends Aey would also get.

I agree, it would be the best way to get great service.

Member #3428

09-04-09, 01:54

Not to try and start something however just about everyone who have been reading posts here that you are one of the people that will strongly defend Annie against any negative remarks here.

Sigh... was going to give up on this but if this is directed at me, since I've followed your pattaya reports and such, you have contributed with more then opinions and I've actually enjoyed your posts.

I don't think you'll see that I defended Annie if you read my posts over the last two years or so. I've been critical of annies. When I got a positive then I posted it in the middle of the current drama between others. I really can't remember saying too much positive actually.

If you found I've defended Annies unjustly then please let me know but for the life of me in all my years I can't recall coming out and super defending Annies only on this case as I've had bad, bad, medium type services because of my failure at the fishbowl. I am defending that the service provider was not aware of any extra tips and that is all. Actually, I am more defending the service provider then I am defending Aey or Annies. Think of it as you might.

On this case my visit was a success. So I posted my experience that you can contact Aey for different requests and get responses. I don't suggest anyone go to Annies or Tulip or Snow White or others as YMMV. You go where you enjoy which is the whole point of the forums, to post our experiences and let others decide.

I disagree with tipping prior, I agree with setting a lower price and telling the girl that she will get XXX or whatever if she does or performs XXX or whatever. Obviously you can not do this in a MP (negotiating a lower price earlier on). But you can make it clear that if you are not satisfied or she does not do or such then no tip. And if does give whatever you are looking for then she will get whatever you decide. Then it is up to her to perform or not.

Cheers and keep up the reports...

NicFrenchy

09-04-09, 01:56

The simplest way for any man to show the lady that he is a generous man is for him to give her his tip ahead of time, before he has his session with her.

You take a risk that the lady might not perform with you as well as you expect. And perhaps this kind of strategy won't pay off for you every time. But in most cases, the lady will feel indebted to you during your session with her. And she will try harder to please you.

That approach is SO wrong!
by tipping her ahead of time, not only do you pass yourself as an idiot (yes, girls really laugh at that) but you also set a benchmark for yourself as a customer.

The lady will feel "indebted?" what the fuck are you trying to get? sympathy sex? LOL

Guys, if the lady does not perform, then don't tip and try another one.

Csun213

09-04-09, 04:30

I am not actually attacking you. I have enjoyed all your posts and am amazed that you can go on and on with the girls. I am just saying that since you are very well known to all the shops that you will get better treatment than someone like me who is not known.

Since this is my first trip to Thailand (I mostly spend time in China), I will not be getting nor do I expect to get the same VIP treatment that old hands like you guys would receive.

Member #3428

09-04-09, 04:45

Since this is my first trip to Thailand (I mostly spend time in China), I will not be getting nor do I expect to get the same VIP treatment that old hands like you guys would receive.

No skin off my nose. I enojy your china posts as I am in south of Shanghai a lot but never in the south.

I contacted aey from another site, where I have 7 posts I think. I am not well known at Annies I have avoided it for a long time. So you might be surprised with the responses you get if you start ahead of time. It surprised me. So I don't think I got VIP treatment but could be wrong, I just started the emails early with Aey before landing.

But have not been back since that time as you know there are so many options to partake in here and off to Pattaya next week also if I can get out of work.

Daddy07

09-04-09, 05:38

...and off to Pattaya next week also if I can get out of work.
Noooooo!!!!

You don't want to go to Pattaya. There are not enough girls here to satisfy you ... not even one. All the girls here are deathly afraid of farang. Stay away! Stay away! :D

SE Asia Joe

09-04-09, 06:27

No skin off my nose. I enojy your china posts as I am in south of Shanghai a lot but never in the south.

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How come I don't see you posting much in the China threads? Which particular thread do you post on?

Would love to hear of your exploits here - and get a few pointers along the way!!

SEAJ

Member #3428

09-04-09, 08:52

How come I don't see you posting much in the China threads? Which particular thread do you post on?

Would love to hear of your exploits here - and get a few pointers along the way!!

SEAJ

Yiwu and Hangzhou mostly but my work friends take me out to places where most non asians are not going and I got very little clue on chinese. Been buying out of those places and Fujian for about 10 years now.

Member #3428

09-04-09, 08:53

Noooooo!!!!

You don't want to go to Pattaya. There are not enough girls here to satisfy you ... not even one. All the girls here are deathly afraid of farang. Stay away! Stay away! :D

Good thing I am not from USA, EU, Australia etc... which most girls assume and classify as Farang. :D

See You Soon !!!!!!!!!!!

NicFrenchy

09-04-09, 15:38

I am just saying that since you are very well known to all the shops that you will get better treatment than someone like me who is not known.

Wrong... many many girls won't even go anywhere near him. He certainly does have a reputation and a lot of girls are scared of him

Dan7373

09-04-09, 17:01

That approach is SO wrong!
by tipping her ahead of time, not only do you pass yourself as an idiot (yes, girls really laugh at that) but you also set a benchmark for yourself as a customer.

The lady will feel "indebted?" what the fuck are you trying to get? sympathy sex? LOL

Guys, if the lady does not perform, then don't tip and try another one.
Somebody has to take the risk of not getting something in return for their favor. It's either the girl who takes the risk, or it's you.

When the girl doesn't know you, and you are not a regular customer at the massage place. Then her risk of not getting a tip from you for extra effort from her is greater than with other guys she knows better.

And if you want to get the same effort and level of service from her as her regular customers get. Then you should consider giving her your tip in advance. Or else you might get the full effort from the lady only on your second visit to her and not on your first.

The Pro

09-05-09, 00:16

Dan, you are right in some circumstances but I suppose it all comes down to experiences.

I have found in Vietnam for example you get much better service and the offers of extra service by tipping up front. Whilst in Cambodia its best done afterwards.

An alternate way that some people use is to agree a "minimum tip" and then add on extra for good performance. EG tell a freelancer she will get 1000B for short time, but if she provides excellent service then 1500B is ok.

In the case of Annies as this is the Annies thread anyone going in there is very open to talk to the management and confirm that 1 shot in the bath and another on the bed is already included in the price you pay. They may request some special service, like anal, and agree up front what should be paid to the girl. This is in effect a defacto up front payment as the girl will know in advance she is going to get an additional 1000B for anal (why anyone would ask for this at Annies I would not know as its much cheaper to get it an Tulip as part of standard service).

But yes, there are times when paying, or agreeing to pay up front can be beneficial, but you do not want to do so in normal circumstances (EG why would you give a Tulip girl 1500B up front when this is standard payment. You will make her lazy perhaps).

Somebody has to take the risk of not getting something in return for their favor. It's either the girl who takes the risk, or it's you.

When the girl doesn't know you, and you are not a regular customer at the massage place. Then her risk of not getting a tip from you for extra effort from her is greater than with other guys she knows better.

And if you want to get the same effort and level of service from her as her regular customers get. Then you should consider giving her your tip in advance. Or else you might get the full effort from the lady only on your second visit to her and not on your first.

Terry Terrier

09-05-09, 02:06

NicFrenchy

09-05-09, 02:44

Somebody has to take the risk of not getting something in return for their favor. It's either the girl who takes the risk, or it's you.

When the girl doesn't know you, and you are not a regular customer at the massage place. Then her risk of not getting a tip from you for extra effort from her is greater than with other guys she knows better.

And if you want to get the same effort and level of service from her as her regular customers get. Then you should consider giving her your tip in advance. Or else you might get the full effort from the lady only on your second visit to her and not on your first.

I see things differently, for me, tipping before a session only serves in setting her "basic expectation" to this. What I mean is that she will be expecting the same amount from you everytime regardless of her performance.
She will not understand the day you will not give the tip, you can explain all you want about the lack of effort, but she will only register it as you being "Cheap". She will not understand the whole picture.

That is my point.

In my case, I like to take risks, I think that if chemistry is good then the session will go well, if the girl makes efforts, then I always tip more (even at Oilies). I give her 1500 first, then another 1,000 and make it a point that she understands this is a TIP for her good service.
It has worked very well and the girls clearly understand the concept.

Barko

09-05-09, 03:03

In my case, I like to take risks, I think that if chemistry is good then the session will go well, if the girl makes efforts, then I always tip more (even at Oilies). I give her 1500 first, then another 1, 000 and make it a point that she understands this is a TIP for her good service.

It has worked very well and the girls clearly understand the concept.Perfect.

I even go so far as to count the money out to them separately, big smiles as I do. "OK, here is a little tip for the great massage, here is for 'special', here is for that amazing thing you did in the shower, and here, this is because I like you and I want you to have a nice lunch with your girlfriends." They ALWAYS smile at this, it may sound goofy, but they definitely do like this method very very much.

But, as always, I claim that you yourself are the one that makes your session a success. It's all about making it fun for both of you, and it's easy.

Giving a tip up front? Yikes!

Toronto Lover

09-05-09, 05:30

Was at annies yesterday again after the previous days awesome 3some experience. Decided to go with another this time. Chose #35 was a disaster. The matress was more enthusiastic.

Run Mann

09-05-09, 08:10

Was at annies yesterday again after the previous days awesome 3some experience. Decided to go with another this time. Chose #35 was a disaster. The matress was more enthusiastic.

So how much did you tip her?

Toronto Lover

09-05-09, 08:25

So how much did you tip her?200 and felt that even that was too much.

She is really bad.

Dan7373

09-05-09, 16:52

I see things differently, for me, tipping before a session only serves in setting her "basic expectation" to this. What I mean is that she will be expecting the same amount from you everytime regardless of her performance.
She will not understand the day you will not give the tip, you can explain all you want about the lack of effort, but she will only register it as you being "Cheap". She will not understand the whole picture.

That is my point.

In my case, I like to take risks, I think that if chemistry is good then the session will go well, if the girl makes efforts, then I always tip more (even at Oilies). I give her 1500 first, then another 1,000 and make it a point that she understands this is a TIP for her good service.
It has worked very well and the girls clearly understand the concept.
I suppose you are right, when 'good service' isn't clearly clearly defined.

But if for example, massage ladies normally give their guys only one pop for the standard price. And you want to have two or three pops with her. Then it makes sense for you to tell the lady that you want two or three pops with her and offer her a 'tip' to persuade her. Paying her that tip in advance makes more sense than having her say 'no' to you during the massage session and then you being upset and not giving her any tip at all in the end. And paying her in advance makes more sense than bargaining with her and trying to persuade her in the middle of your massage session with her. That kind of thing will surely spoil the mood for both you and her.

You can go to Tulip Massage and get extra service like that at no extra cost. But there are many attractive ladies at other massage places. And if you really fancy a lady at some other massage place. Then there is no good reason why you shouldn't splurge a little and persuade the lady you like to do with you the way you like, and not the way this lady usually does.

Member #3428

09-05-09, 20:24

200 and felt that even that was too much.

She is really bad.

Why did you tip?

Piper1

09-05-09, 20:38

Annies ... #35 was a disaster. The matress was more enthusiastic.LOL. Good one - made me laugh after a crappy long day at work.

Run Mann

09-05-09, 22:12

200 and felt that even that was too much.

She is really bad.

You described her as "a disaster" and "really bad" but you still tip her? Please explain.

The Pro

09-05-09, 23:12

Welcome to the very crux of the issue of paying "up front" for everything.

Had you gone to an oil massage you could have paid for 90 minutes (and then extended if you liked).

That would have been just 600 baht.

The moment you realised it was a disaster you could have called it a day, told the girl its not good and you are leaving early, paid her 500 baht and walked out after 45 minutes or 60 minutes.

Disaster but only 1100 baht lost and 1 hour of your time.

Full service up front places you have already paid for 2 hours and paid her for everything and she still expects a tip on top. You not only lost 2 hours of your time (as you had paid for it) but probably 2000 baht on top.

Maybe its just me, but I really do not like full payment up front systems.

200 and felt that even that was too much.

She is really bad.

Weird One

09-06-09, 04:07

"X" at Annies

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Has anyone been with Letter "X" at Annies?

Have her booked and really don't know anything about her.

Any info would be appreciated.

Thanks,

NicFrenchy

09-06-09, 07:40

But if for example, massage ladies normally give their guys only one pop for the standard price. And you want to have two or three pops with her. Then it makes sense for you to tell the lady that you want two or three pops with her and offer her a 'tip' to persuade her.

That actually is very good advice! yes. I usually like to tell them in the shower that:

1. I don't want to bother with the massage
2. I can shoot multiple times

I have also find that, as Thais love to "play" it is good to give them a challenge.
For example, a girl at Akane I told I never was able to come more than 2 times in a session. Well, guess what? she grinned adn assured me she could make me come 3 times!
They love a challenge.

Of course, if they perform, a hefty tip is to be given

Member #3428

09-06-09, 11:15

Maybe its just me, but I really do not like full payment up front systems.

So you are against all Soapies and not just Annies?

Actually I would rather negotiate with the girl myself also personally. I'm not a big fan of the soapies. My day at Poseidon was a waste.

M P Lurker

09-07-09, 03:24

Full service up front places you have already paid for 2 hours and paid her for everything and she still expects a tip on top. You not only lost 2 hours of your time (as you had paid for it) but probably 2000 baht on top.

Not really. If session is bad, I would still leave early rather than waste the full 2 hours.
It is of course rare that a session is that bad to make me cancel part way through but does happen. Talking about soapies in general.

Returning to the Annies topic, the payment is not completely up front. So girl tip is dependent on getting good service.

Jdbkk555

09-08-09, 13:53

I had not been to Annie's in ages. Decided since it was close to my hotel to give it a shot. I finished work early and thought an afternoon of scrub a dub dub might fit in this trip nicely.

Miss K... said her name was Sasa. 28YO with a reasonably nice body/face. When I arrived, the cheaper Charlie pool looked really sad. Not all that much better in the premium bowl. A couple of nicer ones to choose from.

K had a pretty good customer sense... a bit of chit chat mixed in with no nonsense service.

In the tub, she got right to work tending to ole Bob. She seemed really intent in blowing my load in the tub. After a good long while, my feet started to cramp up a bit after being jammed into the corner of the tub and I asked if we could move to the bed. She jumped up, gave me a quick rinse and asked if I liked oil (which I most certainly do).

The mix of the draining tub experience with the freezing cold from the AC left me in a bit of a shiver. I headed for the bed, she came over to give me another towel to help me warm up some. Nice touch there. After I got back to my normal temp, she started to apply some creamy oil substance. First the body rub, followed by the bottom rub. She had some nice moves there. A lot of planned misses... such that I'd clearly get the sensation correct but just happen to miss the home run. It sure did wake bob up.

I was pretty impressed... she started on top, tried a few maneuvers. She seemed intent on making sure my experience was most important. We rolled over where I proceeded to bang her home. Quite nice.

We sat for a while after exchanging some talk. Then she gave me a half decent back massage followed by a shower and towel dry. Great attention to detail and customer service. Though I've not been there for a while... my last Annie's experience was more of a wham bam, pay me man type of thing. I'd been giving my occasional business to the establishments up Suk a ways.

Overall.. the service was nice... the lady had a great personality that compensated for her ok to average appearance. Not the best, but certainly above average.

I'd give miss "K" and ok

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Chrisde99

09-09-09, 03:00

Has anyone tried No 16? Wud be grateful for your opinion on her.

Chris

Pinche Gringo

09-11-09, 23:14

I just got back from my first Annie's experience. After 4 days of mongering, I decided to take the night off and just have a quiet night in my hotel room catching up on some work. But wait. When will I be in BKK again? I might as well do all I can before I leave on Friday. So, I hope in the shower and try to figure out what I will do. Should I go to NP or SC to try to bar fine a girl? Then I think, why not Annie's.

When I arrived last Thursday night, I was shown around town by a friend. One of the places we stopped by was Annie's. Now granted it was close to midnight when we stopped by and I was not too impressed with the line-up. One girl that did catch my eye was "P". I decided to make an appointment for Monday at 3 PM with her. Well, Monday morning comes and I feel a little unsettling in my stomach and loose my cookies a few times. So I e-mail Aey to cancel.

I really did not think I would make it there on this trip but decide tonight would be the night. I get there and look at the line-up. The fish bowl girls were all dressed in white while the sideline girls were dressed in all different outfits. I sit there for a few minutes and Aey comes to me and asks what I was looking for. After last nights experience with the Sheba girl, I wanted some one who could speak English. She points out which ones speak English. She then tells me that she would recommend "V" to me. She calls her over to sit with me so we can talk. I liked her personality so I decided she would be the one. I pay and we go to the room.

V leaves the room to get her things but starts the bath first. When she gets back she asks me to get undress. I tell her, I will only do it if she does too. V is a small girl. Maybe 4'11" at the most. She has nice perky tits and the most perfect ass I have ever seen. Mind you I am not an ass man at all, but hers is fantastic.

We both get into the bath which at this point is filled with warm soapy bubbles. She starts to soap me down. I take her and turn her so her back is to me. I then start stroking her clit which she responded nicely to. There is no doubt I bring her to orgasm. She then begins to rub me all over with her ****. She starts riding my cock but without being in her. That lasts for a few minutes until I explode.

After laying there, we go to the bed. She then begins to give me a massage. I must tell you that I have had three massages since I have been in BKK. V gave me one that I would stack up against any of the previous ones I have had.

After about 30 minutes of the massage, my fingers find my way there way to her twat. I was pleasantly surprised as I slip a finger in, she was very moist inside. My finger finds her clit and I begin to work on it again. She starts to moan which only makes me work more. She brings her breast to my face so I begin sucking on her nipples. She moves my face to her stomach. At that point, I knew what she wanted. I obliged and start to lick her clit. She responded positive to that. This went on for a half hour and ended with her clamping so hard on my face that I can't breathe. Panic almost sets in as her clamping does not ease up. I force my nose free only to be able to get a small breath until she clamped tighter. Then at once she lets out a series of big moans and relaxes.

We lay there for a few minutes until she starts to stroke my cock and rubbing my balls. She then puts a condom on me. She mounts me and inserts my cock into her very tight twat. At that point she goes wild. She is riding and withering around so much on top of me that I thought she would break the poor boy. I moved her underneath me and then began to ride her myself. This we both enjoyed. Mind you I use to be know as the 100 meter man because usually last 10 seconds. This time, we went on for a long time. Maybe all this mongering has caught up to me, but I am not complaining (nor was V). After cumming, we still continued for a few more minutes. This she enjoyed and after wards kept on saying I was so strong. I don't care if this was a line I think she meant it.

After pulling out and her cleaning me off, she sits behind me and lays my head on her lap. She then begins to rub my temples to relax me. I really enjoyed this.

I was very pleased with V and her attentiveness to me. I even joked with her about giving me a tip. She said okay.1 baht! Very Happy.

We both enjoyed ourselves very much and would recommend V to any and all of you who are looking for a girl that will give you a great time.

Thanks aey for the recommendation!

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M P Lurker

09-13-09, 15:21

Miss K... said her name was Sasa. 28YO with a reasonably nice body/face. When I arrived, the cheaper Charlie pool looked really sad. Not all that much better in the premium bowl. A couple of nicer ones to choose from.There are rumours that the standard of girls' looks has improved significantly at Annies compared to say 1-2 years ago? I am not refering to the average girl or plainest girls (that may interest others but not me), but those in the top say 5-10% for looks.

Is this so? Are there newer girls with really pretty faces?

Or is it more, so that the good lookers were there before but mostly busy in the past and more likely to be available now that economy is bad and less punters?

Member #3428

09-14-09, 02:39

There are rumours that the standard of girls' looks has improved significantly at Annies compared to say 1-2 years ago? I am not refering to the average girl or plainest girls (that may interest others but not me), but those in the top say 5-10% for looks.

Is this so? Are there newer girls with really pretty faces?

Or is it more, so that the good lookers were there before but mostly busy in the past and more likely to be available now that economy is bad and less punters?

I gotta agree that there are better looking girls now then years before. I do not think there are any model quality but there are some very nice looking ladies. More importantly, there are ladies that can perform the required services while having good attitudes and girls that you are not worried about if you take them out of Annies (they will fit in at the hotels or out in public with you).

Ghatotkach

09-15-09, 06:01

I have been visiting Annie's for a very long time. In my view, even if there has been an improvement in the quality. Lookswise- of the girls, the attitude in most of the newer girls is really bad. I remember the times when Annie's was almost always a hit. These days, it is more of a miss! I was at Annie's as recently as the 1st of September. Aey recommended O and I took her out for a day. She was to be with me till the next day morning. Anyways, the moment she stepped out of the parlor, she was a changed person. To her credit, she tried very hard to converse with me in English- she even had a Thai-English guide with her. She was okay to take around. It was back in the hotel room that she tried very hard to keep away from the duties expected of her. And then, she wanted to leave at 9 PM. Nearly 11 hours before the agreed time.

I had had a similar experience some time ago and I just wanted to try it once again to see if things were actually the same or if it was a one-of-a-kind experience. Regretfully, it was not.

Lest you may get me wrong, I have noticed this happening just recently. I have had excellent service at Annie's earlier. I wonder if in her eagerness to expand, Aey is letting quality of service go down. It would be a shame if Annie's ended up with a poor reputation on this account.

M P Lurker

09-15-09, 15:22

Aey recommended O and I took her out for a day. She was to be with me till the next day morning.
Why would you take a girl for a whole day when you don't even know her?
Seems a strange plan to me.

I very long time should be based on strong mutual chemistry.

P.S. How much were you planning to pay her? Could there be a problem in this area?

Dextro Sol

09-15-09, 17:08

And then, she wanted to leave at 9 PM. Nearly 11 hours before the agreed time.

Besides from what M P Lurker says.... you didn't complain to Aey??

Ghatotkach

09-16-09, 06:15

Besides from what M P Lurker says.... you didn't complain to Aey??I have been taking girls out long time for quite a while now. I usually arrive at the MP just around opening time, after having intimated the mamasan (in this case Aey) well before I arrive. In this particular case, I had been interacting with Aey for nearly a fortnight before I reached LOS. So, the girl was already prepared for this. I do not get the girl straight into bed! In this case, we spent a long time sightseeing together, eating out and generally talking about a number of things. I even got her a massage at Wat Po! I feel it is an attitudinal problem. On the same trip, I had a girl from Eden spend a night with me: absolutely no problems.

And yes, the money was not an issue. It had been settled in her presence with Aey.

I did not complain to Aey as I did not get the time. I was scheduled to fly off to China the next morning. I have, however, sent her an email after I returned. I have yet to hear from her.

Aey Annies

09-16-09, 12:30

I have received no verbal info off you about this, no PM’s and no emails. If there is a problem with any staff as soon as you know feel or even have an idea of this, telephone me strait away. Every time a person walks out the door they get my work cell number which is in operation 24 hours a day 7 days a week and we will have no issues with changing the lady for you. If you are a regular for sure you have my cell number and you know I am approachable about this type of thing.

I have back tracked my emails and I have no emails of me advising letter O for a take outs. Also I normally only advise ladies that have pictures on our website by email and 99% of customers only take out ladies that are on our website unless they have been with them in the past. Letter O has no picture on our website and never has done as she was a lady that did not want her pictures used for internet reasons. Further more we really only recommend ladies for take out that have good English as you would need to communicate with them and Letter O spoke near to zero English.

Added to this letter O no longer works for us.

M P Lurker

09-16-09, 17:47

And yes, the money was not an issue. It had been settled in her presence with Aey.

What was the girl going to get for 24 hours?
Are you embarassed to say due to being a fortune or a pitance?
Actually I don't really care. Its just that without this, we don't which of the two of you was getting the raw deal.

Sometimes girls have important personal engagements that could make them unavailable for a full 24 hours.

In future I recommend spend some time with a girl and assess the chemistry first before considering long time bookings. Then ask the girl first if she wants to go long time, and does she have anything pressing that she must get to.

I recall 24 hour takeout from Tulip was 3000 Baht. But still had to talk to the girl about suitable compensation for her as she didn't get any of the 3000. Sometimes the girl was available for full 24 hours. Sometimes she had something important to do so gave her a few hours off and she returned later. I knew the girl very well of course and we both knew what to expect.

Why not do a few short time bookings at Annies to get to know who has great chemistry with you?

Wanderlust

09-18-09, 01:53

Help please...I've just spent a good half hour trying to find out the location of Annies in Pattaya by both reading the ANNIES ONLY posts and doing a search. I know its there somewhere but geez louise. Can someone give us all the location again for my self and others. This will put it back near the top of the pages and make it easier to find. Thanks

Wanderlust

09-18-09, 02:01

Ghatotkach

09-18-09, 05:20

Sure thing, Aey.

As I said, I had to rush off to China for a very important business meeting and I certainly could not have met you or called you.

In fact, in the emails that we exchanged, you had suggested P. But when I visited the parlor, and spoke to you about what I was looking for, you suggested O instead. And yes, you did explain to her about what was expected of her and you told me that she had understood everything.

Anyway, the issue is not the money I paid to you for the girl and later to the girl (she actually asked me for a TIP on top of what I paid her !). It is about the attitude. I just want to let you know about the problem that could have occurred because of the pace of rapid growth that you have set for yourself.

This forum has been discussing a lot about Annie's and I was adding my experience to it. And incidently, I am glad that you are back on the forum: I remember very clearly that I told you that you should be back on the forum.

I am sorry for O. I did see her try to learn English. But she just needed to do that little extra bit.

All the best to you.

I have received no verbal info off you about this, no PM’s and no emails. If there is a problem with any staff as soon as you know feel or even have an idea of this, telephone me strait away. Every time a person walks out the door they get my work cell number which is in operation 24 hours a day 7 days a week and we will have no issues with changing the lady for you. If you are a regular for sure you have my cell number and you know I am approachable about this type of thing.

I have back tracked my emails and I have no emails of me advising letter O for a take outs. Also I normally only advise ladies that have pictures on our website by email and 99% of customers only take out ladies that are on our website unless they have been with them in the past. Letter O has no picture on our website and never has done as she was a lady that did not want her pictures used for internet reasons. Further more we really only recommend ladies for take out that have good English as you would need to communicate with them and Letter O spoke near to zero English.

Added to this letter O no longer works for us.

Fast Eddie 48

09-18-09, 05:56

Sorry guys: I just kicked myself in the ass so you won't have to. I just realised ANNIES is not in Pattaya. I don't need the location as I don't like BKK. BUT it is still hard to find the location and others could still benifit from a reposting of the location?Wander,

I want you to come to BKK so I can kick your ass ,why do you want to visit annie don't you RTTF so many bad comments and you still want find this place.

Fast Eddie 48

Weird One

09-18-09, 09:07

There have literally been thousands of posts about Annie's and all the girls that work there. The girls come and go, but what stays constant and as close to perfect as can be is Aey, who is in complete control of this operation. There is no aspect of Annie's that Aey doesn't take complete responsibility for and it would be hard for you to find another establishment in Bangkok with this level of Customer Service except Livingstone's Lodge IMHO.

Anyway I contacted Aey a few weeks ago, as I had to attend a Convention in Bangkok. I was very specific about what exactly I needed, a girl who looked and acted professional and also spoke English at high level.

Now I don't know how many of you actually make contact with Aey for your booking but if you don't take the time to do so you will have some regrets. She (Aey) is amazing. Aey makes sure she handles every aspect of the booking and see's to every detail. Some people in the past have accused Aey of not responding to email. I don't believe that for a minute, Aey is professional in every way.

Aey immediately contacted me back and suggested Nicole (X) for the job, her girls are incredible in the way they approach their job. It is important to say that they must be treated with respect every step of the way. Just as all of us demand respect in our daily jobs. These girls are no different.

Now Aey informed me that Nicole was special, she is a very strong independent spirited girl who like anyone else in this world should demand the respect she deserves. I want to go on record to say that she was perfect for the task. She is smart, articulate, speaks English with ease and handles any situation she is presented with; it really was quite amazing to watch her in action. I know there has been a post or two about Nicole (X) and how she was too strong, I don't believe it, she just won't put up with any kind of disrespect, the same as any of us wouldn't out in the world, and she shouldn't have to.

Nicole (X) was such a joy to be with that I ended up adding additional time and also asked Nicole (X) if she knew of another girl who would like to join us after my business convention was done; she immediately said she knew just the person. She called her friend (R) and in the morning (R) showed up. I can't begin to tell you what a wonderful girl she is, (R) adds such a bright light to every situation she enters into.

Together, Nicole (X) and (R) made this the best experience I have had in Bangkok and I have been coming here for quite awhile. Literally it was a joy from beginning to end and having someone Nicole (X) who is smart, intelligent and her friend (R) who is compassionate, kind and truly a one of a kind person, made this team of two girls (X) & (R) an experience that will be hard to ever match. Guys do yourself a favor and try out these two, just make sure you treat them with respect in every way.

Once again Aey has made magic happen starting with Nicole (X) and ending with (R) on the team. Thanks again to Aey, Nicole (X) and (R).

I hope Aey; you pass along this praise to the two Superstars who work for you. I will try and make it in for a drink at Annie's before I leave this Monday.

WO

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David 2

09-22-09, 00:12

HenryV

09-22-09, 04:16

Here is the perspective of one who heard about Annies on this board and then dropped in.

What I observed was one of the most god-awful line-ups I ever saw. In my estimation, it was second only to the Diamond Hotel in Pattaya (see my Pattaya post).

All, and I repeat All, the gals were pudgy. Additionally, because they tried to get into skimpier outfits that they perhaps used years ago, all looked like overpacked sausages.

Why in gods name someonw would utilize the place, with the line-up I saw, is beyond me.

No axe to grind here, just my observation.

BionicMan

09-22-09, 09:03