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Quincas
10-02-09, 07:31
the article quotes manny as saying "i think it would be difficult to get us out of here before march". he leaves the door open, however, as to whether they'll ever be able to get them out.

two things are key in this fight:

1) help's 25 lease on the property runs out this october.

2) will rio get the olympics?

the first means that after october it becomes slightly easier to move them out of there, because the state only has to really deal with the owners and not their leasees.

the second is important because in order to get the cash and sustained political will to confirep001e the property, the state of rdj is probably going to need some federal help. or at least certainly wants it. a succesful olympic bid will give them the political impetus necessary to "clean up" (right) that stretch of copacabana.

of course, there could be behind the scenes stuff going on as well. no doubt.

Quincas
10-02-09, 07:37
Yeah, maybe he was there on a Sunday night and overheard all the little kids say, "mommy, mommy, look at the garish sign."

The book and the author is full of crap. I was being kind in my review and picked a passage that most could identify as hyperbole.

Not complaining, just stating facts.You are full of crap.

L`uomo is indeed located in a shopping mall. The sign is indeed visible from the street and is quite garish. The author is not exagerating any more than you or most people do when writing about Brazil.

Also, I can think of at least three other brothels or termas located in shopping malls in Rio. Downtown is full of houses which are in normal, straight, everyday buildings.

It seems to me that you are simply jealous that a guy wrote a book talking about shit that you feel only you have the right to talk about.

Quincas
10-02-09, 07:46
1.After the actual marriage has been performed, I know I need to ask for a permanent residency visa (which i can do because I will have a brasilian spouse), but I will in fact be in a visa "limbo" if my tourist visa ran its full length (90 or 180 days) and I do not yet have the residency visa approved (which I understand can take several months). What should I do then in order to stay legally in brasil once my turist visa has expired while waiting for the permanent residency visa? Any advice from someone who has been through this proccess would be greatly appreciated. You are allowed to stay in Brazil while your visa request is processed. They will give you a piece of paper with your request number and info on it when you ask for residency status. Do not lose that paper! It is proof that you have a right to be in-country while your visa request is processed.


2. Can I buy a property (house) in Brasil while I am already registered to marry with a brasilian woman but am not yet actually married and not yet a resident in brasil (meaning I am still a gringo on a tourist visa while buying it ) ? also any advice from someone who has already purchased a house in brasil, on the paperwork that is required, and especially how to not be scammed while buying a house in Brasil (such as how to verify that the person who sells the house is the actual owner, or that the owner hasnt mortgaged the house to get a loan from a bank etc etc).As far as I know, you don't need residency status to buy property. You need to get a good, reliable lawyer who will look up all the property's paperwork for a fee. Your consulate should have a list of trustworthy lawyers. Note that as soon as you marry, your wife will have a 50% share of that property, so I hope she is trustworthy.

Perkele
10-02-09, 11:13
Note that as soon as you marry, your wife will have a 50% share of that property, so I hope she is trustworthy.

That's not true. Just remember to make a prenuptial with complete separation of the property. She won't even have right for anything that's been acquired during the marriage.

Only thing is if your income is relevantly different into your advantage,in possible separation you might have to pay alimony.

Perkele
10-02-09, 11:26
You are full of crap.

L`uomo is indeed located in a shopping mall. The sign is indeed visible from the street and is quite garish. The author is not exagerating any more than you or most people do when writing about Brazil.

Also, I can think of at least three other brothels or termas located in shopping malls in Rio. Downtown is full of houses which are in normal, straight, everyday buildings.

It seems to me that you are simply jealous that a guy wrote a book talking about shit that you feel only you have the right to talk about.

I hardly ever participate these talks, but now.

1. L'uomo isn't located in shopping mall. What ever you may think.
2. The sign isn't relly visible to the street. One may see it IF one knows where to look for it.
3. Three posts, of which one is full of false information and this one ranting on a Senior member.... Not the best start.

Quincas
10-02-09, 13:59
1. L'uomo isn't located in shopping mall. What ever you may think. Shopping mall: a building which is full of little stores and which is principally dedicated to shopping. That is indeed what the building is.

Now, you can split hairs all you like and claim the place isn't exactly like the South Westgate Hills Mall near your home. OK, fine. But "shopping mall" is indeed the closest yank analogy one could give that building. Other people below have posted the same opinion. I am just reinforcing it.


3. Three posts, of which one is full of false information and this one ranting on a Senior member.... Not the best start.When the man slashes other people, he should expect to be called out on his own bullshit.

Quincas
10-02-09, 14:05
Yeah, a prenup would cover him. The guy is going to need a good lawyer to do that, though. He's not going to be able to do it himself and cover all the loopholes.

From what he's posted, it looks like he's already registered the marriage date at the cartório and, IIRC, they already ask you for the terms you're getting married under when you do that.

The default agreement, unless you specify something else, is a 50/50 split of all property acquired after the marriage.

While we're on the topic, common law marriage in Brazil can be argued to exist from the moment you start living with someone, provided that person can prove you've been sexually intimate. This can now even be argued even if both people are of the same sex (which shouldn't be a problem here!)

So the proper thing to do is to buy property and only then get married or live with someone.

Quincas
10-02-09, 14:13
finally someone got it.

i've been living in brasil for several years and i mostly live aongst them. believe me, they look down every single *****monger. they would do just about anything to be able to stop sexual tourism and there is not much compassion in their minds for poor mongers who get themselves in trouble with gdps.

my opinion is, *****s won't make good girlfriends. nice toys, that one never shouldn't keep too long. we're paying for them to go away in the morning.perkele is spot on here.

brazil is not necessarily more liberal about prostitution than any place else. people might not think it's worth spending money to stamp it out, but the general stereotype is that *****s are cockroachs, the men who go with them are little better and gringos who go with them are all fat, old ****s who are here to molest our children.

in spite of all the crap that gets bullied about regarding how brazilian women just love older foreign men, in general, the rule of thumb is she's with you because you're paying and if she can rip you off without it coming back on her, she will.

yes, there are plenty of exceptions to that rule. it is still the rule.

Quincas
10-02-09, 14:26
Sorry to beat a dead horse here. I'd have added this to my last post, but I can't edit, so.

L'uomo's own website describes the place as being located in a shopping mall. Many other posters here have described it as such as well. There are also other brothels and termas located in shopping malls in Rio. There's one out in Madrueira, IIRC. The Edifício Central on Rio Branco is considered by most cariocas to be a shopping mall and it contains several privés and at least one small termas (or did before the police started busting them). There're a couple more places as well.

This is a nit to pick, surely, but that's precisely the point: Exec is dissing someone else's work and his arguments are completely based on nits.

The point the author was making is that brothels and such are sprinkled about town, mixed in with normal commerce. And while we may disagree about how "garish" L'Uomo's sign is, I guarantee that everyone in the neighborhood. Kids included. Knows exactly what goes on in there.

To criticize a man's book as "crap" based on these sorts of nits is pretty damned silly, in my opinion. Your mileage obviously varies.

Sperto
10-02-09, 22:56
In spite of all the crap that gets bullied about regarding how Brazilian women just love older foreign men, in general, the rule of thumb is she's with you because you're paying and if she can rip you off without it coming back on her, she will.
I never heard anything about brazilian women just love older foreign men. I guess I have something nice to look forward to.

Perkele
10-03-09, 19:00
Yeah, a prenup would cover him. The guy is going to need a good lawyer to do that, though. He's not going to be able to do it himself and cover all the loopholes.

From what he's posted, it looks like he's already registered the marriage date at the cartório and, IIRC, they already ask you for the terms you're getting married under when you do that.

The default agreement, unless you specify something else, is a 50/50 split of all property acquired after the marriage.

While we're on the topic, common law marriage in Brazil can be argued to exist from the moment you start living with someone, provided that person can prove you've been sexually intimate. This can now even be argued even if both people are of the same sex (which shouldn't be a problem here!)

So the proper thing to do is to buy property and only then get married or live with someone.
What are you talking about? You don't need a lawyer since the law regognises only 3 kinds of marital agreements. 1 no prenup. 2 partial separation and 3 complete separation. Now what comes to common law marriage, the partners have to live officially in same address. Or register in cartorio.

Sprite13
10-04-09, 07:18
ET,
Thanks for your review of the book. I was toying with the idea of getting it, but now, I now what to expect.
On that note, is it me or are Quincas and "Joe" (the author of that new book) related? :o


Thanks for the tip, Sprite. My copy arrived today. :)

Chris,
I'd be curious to see what you think of that book (Rio de Janeiro, by Ruy Castro) as this is a book that spends a lot of time on Carnaval and the roots of it. I personally rank that book as one of my favorites on Rio.

Jesuscola
10-04-09, 10:26
To criticize a man's book as "crap" based on these sorts of nits is pretty damned silly, in my opinion. Your mileage obviously varies.

If my memory is correct, isn't the book itself based on a series of articles for Hustler magazine? Have you actually seen the level of "journalism" offered by Huster magazine? If you haven't, "crap" is actually a pretty descriptive term...

Beach Star
10-05-09, 23:08
perkele is spot on here.

brazil is not necessarily more liberal about prostitution than any place else. people might not think it's worth spending money to stamp it out, but the general stereotype is that *****s are cockroachs, the men who go with them are little better and gringos who go with them are all fat, old ****s who are here to molest our children.

in spite of all the crap that gets bullied about regarding how brazilian women just love older foreign men, in general, the rule of thumb is she's with you because you're paying and if she can rip you off without it coming back on her, she will.

yes, there are plenty of exceptions to that rule. it is still the rule.

welcome back macunaima!!! were you kicked out of another forum??

Quincas
10-07-09, 13:44
What are you talking about? You don't need a lawyer since the law regognises only 3 kinds of marital agreements. 1 no prenup. 2 partial separation and 3 complete separation. Now what comes to common law marriage, the partners have to live officially in same address. Or register in cartorio.Correct on "living together officially at the same address". I guess when I said "common law marriage in Brazil can be argued to exist from the moment you start living with someone", I wasn't being specific enough. I should have specified that "living together" means "at the same address". I'm sorry to have caused you confusion, Perkele, and will try tobe clearer in the future.

However, "officially", in a court of law (and absent cartório registration), basically means having received mail - or better yet a bill - at said address. That ain't hard to orchestrate and doesn't need a trip to the cartório or the partner's agreement, or even knowledge.

As for "prenup", I mean complete separation with all the legal details thoroughly explained and covered. Those instant, generic "complete separation" agreements have been known to be overturned by zealous judges in cases where they think a defendent's ignorance has been abused (read in cases where they think they can screw a gringo). AFAICS, this guy isn't even aware that he has a choice when he makes a marriage agreement and he's seriously thinking about buying significant property after marriage. He shouldn't go ahead any further without competent legal advice.

Brazilian family law is complex and it's one of the few parts of the legal system that actually works there. There's one thing I know for certain: unless you are a Brazilian lawyer (I know I am not), neither of us are experts in Brazilian family law.

Member #1461 should get advice from someone who is before making any more decisions.

Quincas
10-07-09, 13:52
How can he get someone else to pay for his trips under the guise of doing a story?Welcome to the wonderful world of travel journalism. Joe is no worse off there than 95% of the people who write travel books.


Again, most of us are here to share information for the benefit of others. I bought the book, read it, and found it to be worthless. There is better information on Rio right here. And, why would someone buy a book to read about Thailand and Germany when the content is simply reposts of what is found here.So let me get this straight: Joe is a crap reporter because he supposedly uses sites like this for information - sites which you yourself simultaneously claim are good sources of information?

Quincas
10-09-09, 15:33
There is a place in Changping called the 'catacombs', the mafia recruit 18 to 20yo from the farms to work on contract - the girls live, eat and shit in a room 5ft x 5ft - you do them on site for US$5 - cannot wait to try it - they tell me it makes Vila Mimosa look and smell like the Marriott.Wow.

The other night I was talking to a woman friend about this site and I said "whatever you say about mongers, like 'em or hate 'em, one thing's for sure: they most definitely do not get off on having sex with enslaved women. They're just guys who like having sex with prostitutes. I have NEVER met a monger who knowingly had sex with a woman whose basic human rights were being violated by her job."

Guess I'm going to have to revise that opinion. BBB proves that at least some (hopefully few) mongers are just as Andrea Dworkin.

Vila Mimosa is in no way, shape, or form comparable to that scene described in China. The women are free agents and by and large come and go as they please. they have their own, normal lives outside of working hours. The houses make their money off of renting rooms and selling beer, just like the termas. If a scene like the one described by BBB were to show up in Rio, my guess is that it would be a toss-up to see who would shut it down first: the cops or the GdPs themselves.

Quincas
10-09-09, 15:52
so let me get this straight...

joe diamond quotes people who post on a public forum - attributes his quotes, too, after making every attempt to contact the original posters.

this is bad journalism?

no, this is what most journalists do every single day of their working career.

i agree with chris that joe's target audience is probably guys who don't show up here or on other sites, but he's no more "copying" or "plagarizing" than any other reporter who quotes duly attributed published material. the fact that the material is published in electronic form instead of on paper makes no ethical or practical difference at all.

and as for "making money off of mongers".... uh, please correct me if i'm wrong, but aren't most people here paying the equivalent or more of joe's book's price in order to post? and how many porn sites do people here suscribe to? (let's not even mention the money we all blow on the "hobby"...)

so it's a case of joe diamond's a foul dude because he brings these discussions to people who otherwise normally wouldn't access them? or is it a case that he's a jerk for making money off of us and we normally only allow sex websites, prostitutes, pimps and other assorted denizens of the commercial sex universe to do that?

c'mon. the man wrote a book about mongering. more power to him! if other folks can do a better job, then more power to them, too. when exec talent writes his book, i'll buy it, read it and give it the review it deserves as well.

but all this trashing-and-burning on a book which only one person here even claims to have read strikes me as a bit of sour grapes. kinda "how dare someone other than me and my buddies talk about my hobby"? it's nerdish in the extreme: the sort of thing adolescent fanboys get into when they argue about whether wolverine would beat hulk in a straight-up fight.

read the book and make your own opinion. or don't read it and move on. but for fuck's sake, at least inform yourself if you're going to have an opinion about the thing.

Exec Talent
10-09-09, 20:59
Wow.

The other night I was talking to a woman friend about this site and I said "whatever you say about mongers, like 'em or hate 'em, one thing's for sure: they most definitely do not get off on having sex with enslaved women. They're just guys who like having sex with prostitutes. I have NEVER met a monger who knowingly had sex with a woman whose basic human rights were being violated by her job."

Guess I'm going to have to revise that opinion. BBB proves that at least some (hopefully few) mongers are just as Andrea Dworkin.

Vila Mimosa is in no way, shape, or form comparable to that scene described in China. The women are free agents and by and large come and go as they please. they have their own, normal lives outside of working hours. The houses make their money off of renting rooms and selling beer, just like the termas. If a scene like the one described by BBB were to show up in Rio, my guess is that it would be a toss-up to see who would shut it down first: the cops or the GdPs themselves.
We got rid of this guy once. He went to another forum, made a mess of things there, and now is back here under another name.

Bore your students; they unfortunately got suckered into paying to listen to your drivel. We didn't. Until Jackson bans your ass to your own thread again, suggest everyone put you on ignore. UserCP, Ignore List

Kid Cisco
10-10-09, 05:04
We got rid of this guy once. He went to another forum, made a mess of things there, and now is back here under another name.

Bore your students; they unfortunately got suckered into paying to listen to your drivel. We didn't. Until Jackson bans your ass to your own thread again, suggest everyone put you on ignore. UserCP, Ignore ListExec Talent,

I think you are 100% correct this guy MAC/Quincas he just don't know how to stop he gives himself away by keep on ranting and using certain code words that he is obessed about he can't write a post without using words that have something about:

Enslaved woman or talk about girls that are free agents or speak about the working girls he feels have human rights issues.

I need to put him on ignore before he gets started posting his long drawn out lectures on these topics that I am sure no ones care for maybe that's why he was limit to his own thread.

Kid Cisco

Quincas
10-10-09, 17:37
Wow, Prosal has really changed his tune!

A few years back, he was claiming that Brazilian women were just falling down on their knees and panting for it from any old gringo who came along.

My, how times change.

Quincas
10-10-09, 17:51
I think to build 13 km of metro till Barra is not a "joke", I guess they should start asap.From what I gather, the plan isn't to blast through the mountains, as the Guardian has it, but rather run a line on an upperdeck along the Ave. Neimeyer link to Barra. This is just what I've heard, however it would be easier than drilling tunnels and just possibly doable in the next 7 years, if the city gets off its ass now.


Another question is will be the Olympics enough safe ? Enough, would be my guess, though they might have to resort to military occupations of certain favelas, as has been done in the past.


And my question, as an almost total non-expert about such things is, where do they take the money to pay all the things they plan to build ?!?From other, less flashy, but perhaps more necessary projects.

Indeed the easiest part was to get the Olympics.

Prosal
10-11-09, 08:53
My, how times change.
Times change, but Serial Antagonists NEVER change their ways!

I thought we got rid of you.

I don't know why Jackson continue to let serial antagonists like you, Surfer, Vince Voyeur and others talk their way back into the site, only to be forced to eventually ban them again.

Quincas
10-11-09, 17:56
I did not know where to post this question, so i decided to post it here, i hope i did not make a mistake in posting it here, thanx for the patience....I know of a guy who is dating a girl from Brazil , he is not a monger like us, so he does not know the tricks that a brazilian gdp can pull off. He met this lady on the internet and started talking to her....he decided to go to Brazil to meet her and so forth....he has now been to Brazil several times and has been spending his free time flying to her town to be with her. I never saw pictures of her until recent and it turns out that she is a GDP. I know this because i have seen pictures of her on this very site. He sends her money, pays for her apartment and so forth, we know the story so i will not bore you with the details. This is where my dilemma starts: should i break the news to him or should i just keep my mouth shut.Hitman,

I definitely think you should tell him, if he is indeed your friend and not just an acquaintence.

How to tell him: therein lies the rub.

Maybe you should start with "Look, I have something that's potentiallly very serious to tell you. Or could be no big deal. If you take it wrong, however, you might never want to talk to me again. That would bum me out, because you're a friend that I value. But precisely for that reason, I feel I need to tell you this."

Have your computer all set up and ready to go with the photos of his girl on sex-for-sale websites. Show him the photos (but not the site) and say "Do you agree that this is so-and-so? "

If he does, show him where you got the photos from.

Then the ball's really in his court and your job as a friend is to support him whatever decision he makes.

But yeah, if she's a GdP and doesn't tell him that, he DOES have a right ot know.

Quincas
10-11-09, 17:59
Is this terma still open? How far is this from Copa and what are the prices?

How many gordas?Black & White is still open. Prices, last time I checked, were about the same as a mid-range downtown termas. Slightly less than 4x4, I believe. Last time I went (2 years ago), there were about 6 girls working the place and none of them were particularly pretty.

It is to fuck and gone far away outside of the center in Bonsuccesso. A 50+ real taxi ride from Copa and it is CERTAINLY nothing to write home about. Suburban termas rarely are.

For completists only. Otherwise, save your money and go downtown would be my opinion.

Quincas
10-11-09, 18:04
If a person who lives in Rio or has lived there for most of his life, and/or has truly become active within the culture of that scene, then I would give it more credibility.Maybe you would, Mangera, but most probably wouldn't.

For some reason, many mongers have that fanboy attitude which says "my ignorance is just as valuable as your informed opinion". Most people aren't like that, I stress, but just look at the shit Joe is catching for daring to write and publish his opinion. Which is certainly as informed, about Copa at least, as that of most people here.

People come to Rio for fantasies. Anything that pisses on their fantasy is going to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) them off. And beecause fantasies are so private in nature, anything that anyone writes about Rio, no matter how well-informed the writer, is certain to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) a bunch of people off.

Kid Cisco
10-11-09, 20:20
Correct on "living together officially at the same address". I guess when I said "common law marriage in Brazil can be argued to exist from the moment you start living with someone", I wasn't being specific enough. I should have specified that "living together" means "at the same address". I'm sorry to have caused you confusion, Perkele, and will try tobe clearer in the future.

However, "officially", in a court of law (and absent cartório registration), basically means having received mail - or better yet a bill - at said address. That ain't hard to orchestrate and doesn't need a trip to the cartório or the partner's agreement, or even knowledge.

As for "prenup", I mean complete separation with all the legal details thoroughly explained and covered. Those instant, generic "complete separation" agreements have been known to be overturned by zealous judges in cases where they think a defendent's ignorance has been abused (read in cases where they think they can screw a gringo). AFAICS, this guy isn't even aware that he has a choice when he makes a marriage agreement and he's seriously thinking about buying significant property after marriage. He shouldn't go ahead any further without competent legal advice.

Brazilian family law is complex and it's one of the few parts of the legal system that actually works there. There's one thing I know for certain: unless you are a Brazilian lawyer (I know I am not), neither of us are experts in Brazilian family law.

Member #1461 should get advice from someone who is before making any more decisions.OMG,

MAC THADDY is back once again, give us a break dude and just go away.

Kid Cisco

Mangera
10-12-09, 00:00
Maybe you would, Mangera, but most probably wouldn't.

For some reason, many mongers have that fanboy attitude which says "my ignorance is just as valuable as your informed opinion". Most people aren't like that, I stress, but just look at the shit Joe is catching for daring to write and publish his opinion. Which is certainly as informed, about Copa at least, as that of most people here.

People come to Rio for fantasies. Anything that pisses on their fantasy is going to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) them off. And beecause fantasies are so private in nature, anything that anyone writes about Rio, no matter how well-informed the writer, is certain to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) a bunch of people off.

Spin it however you want.

Bottom line.....anyone can log on to this forum and acquire a hell of a lot more info. as compared to that book. Both in quantity and quality. Furthermore, without a cost.

The information shared in this forum consists of personal experiences of extremely well informed mongers in Rio, as well as other parts of Brasil. Fortunately for the rest of us, these handful of mongers have been willing to share the valuable information with other members.

Members such as Bubba, Sperto, Et, and Christopherd, just to name a few......surely have provided much more valuable info. and most importantly, credible info. as compared to a book that consists of an author who has visited Carioca land a dozen times. Hell, I have visited Rio more than 12 times, and I would not even dare attempt to write a book on the topic of mongering there. For the record, I have done more than my fair share of mongering.

RioJoe wants me to read the book. Thats another way of telling me to buy the book. Well, if a few of those well informed mongers have already read the book, and give it a thumbs down, why would I want to spend money on it. That would be foolish. After all, these are the very members of this forum that have proven time and again that their info. has been right on the money. Cause when I need an address, contacts, etc., they have been right on target the grand majority of the time.

Oh, and I am not the least pissed off. But I must emphasize the major contrast between this book and the posts of several experienced members of this forum......those members are not trying to make money off me or anyone else, they share the info. out of good will. Go figure! You do the math.

I am not going to get into a back and forth battle of words over this topic. I had my say and I am moving on.

Quincas
10-12-09, 00:19
I think the purpose of a book is that it hits a different public than the internet. I also think that people don't need to purchase, say, subscriptions to porn sites, what with all the free porn out there, but some obviously do.

Enough said, however.

Quincas
10-12-09, 00:20
PL kinda funny twist to this story.

I came out of 4 x 4 about 9pm and it was pouring rain...Is this you or Bad Boy Billy we're talking about here?

Trafukin
10-12-09, 06:12
Black & White is still open. Prices, last time I checked, were about the same as a mid-range downtown termas. Slightly less than 4x4, I believe. Last time I went (2 years ago), there were about 6 girls working the place and none of them were particularly pretty.

It is to fuck and gone far away outside of the center in Bonsuccesso. A 50+ real taxi ride from Copa and it is CERTAINLY nothing to write home about. Suburban termas rarely are.

For completists only. Otherwise, save your money and go downtown would be my opinion.I heard Luana worked at Black and white that's the only reason I am intersted in going. I may give it a try but will be PISSED if she's not working there.

Sprite13
10-12-09, 08:38
if quincas is indeed macunaima, then this is a great news as i always enjoyed his very knowledgeable posts. welcome back mac!:)

mac, so what is your take on helpee's closure? when do you see it closing? how do you think the wc-olympics combo is going to alter the scene in rio?

Quincas
10-13-09, 05:03
if quincas is indeed macunaima, then this is a great news as i always enjoyed his very knowledgeable posts. welcome back mac!:)

mac, so what is your take on helpee's closure? when do you see it closing? how do you think the wc-olympics combo is going to alter the scene in rio?sorry, sprite, i'm not mac. i know who you're talking about, however, because i've read wsg and i used to hang out on brazzil.com back when prosal was on that site, waxing enthusiastic about how brazilian women in general just love gringos.

Quincas
10-15-09, 17:54
Regarding getting sick in Rio, public health care is free even to tourists and is generally good, though you'll probably have wait in line. Miguel Couto in Leblon is the hospital to go to in an emergency: they treated me just fine a few years back when I had a bike accident on Copa. I also used them when I came down with dengue in 2001:

R. Mário Ribeiro, 117 - Leblon, Rio de Janeiro - RJ, 22430160

If you're worried about a bug that you may have picked up, this is a cheap and safe option.

Perkele
10-16-09, 01:06
Regarding getting sick in Rio, public health care is free even to tourists and is generally good, though you'll probably have wait in line. Miguel Couto in Leblon is the hospital to go to in an emergency: they treated me just fine a few years back when I had a bike accident on Copa. I also used them when I came down with dengue in 2001:

R. Mário Ribeiro, 117 - Leblon, Rio de Janeiro - RJ, 22430160

If you're worried about a bug that you may have picked up, this is a cheap and safe option.

Honestly, now I must say that you have to be somekind of a joke. Even brasilians won't go to public hospitals unless the can't afford private ones.

Its a known FACT that one may get treated really bad in public hospitals, espcecially in Rio. Also its rather common that most critical cases even die there.

What everyone should do is to have a very good travel insurance with FULL medical coverage.

If you stay in Copacabana and if you get sick, injured etc. you go to COPA D'OR, not Miguel Couto.

Quincas, you should be shot for giving such an advice.

Quincas
10-16-09, 16:07
Confirmed yesterday that Luana is indeed at Black & White. I saw someone who I thought looked like her there awhile back and two Brazilian friends confirmed that she was indeed there.

B&W is a bit of a treck, but luckily is out on the main drag. Av. Brasil, iirc. Which means it's at least a straight shot from downtown.

Taxi will run you about 25 reais from the centro, 40-50 from Copa.

Prices are on the order of a second rate downtown termas. Slightly less than 4x4, again IIRC.

Quincas
10-16-09, 16:19
Honestly, now I must say that you have to be somekind of a joke. Even brasilians won't go to public hospitals unless the can't afford private ones.Perkele,

I have used Brazilian public hospitals for emergencies on several occasions with no problems and no complaints (other than the wait and the general disinterest in me as a person). I have several Brazilian middle class friends who have also used them.

Your mileage may vary, but then again, you don't seem to ever have used Miguel Couto, so how would you know?

My comments are based on a lot of personal experience and also upon what many of my Brazilian friends will admit to when they are not talking p'ra gringo ver. Brazilians, in general, love to ***** about everything to gringos, especially if it involves public services and government. What they do, however, is not always what they say they do.

Public hospitals are not generally good for chronic problems. They are good for emergencies on the line of "give 'them meds and send 'them home" or traumatic accidents. I wouldn't go to one for, say, elective surgery. But for dealing with the results of a messy accident? I have receieved better treatment at Miguel Couto than at most private hospitals, to tell the truth.

The main problem with the public system from a middle class Brazilian perspective is that you need to wait (and the middle class wants to be treated right now, thank you) and you are treated as a piece of meat, not a patient (and Brazilians are notorious hyperchondriacs who want to feel that their every whim is being catered to while they are sick).

In the NE and out in the suburbs, there are some truly scary public hospitals and I don't think I'd go to these. But in Rio and São Paulo at least, my experiences with Miguel Couto and Hospital das Clínicas have been uniformly positive. And this is with close to a dozen passages through these two institutions' doors.

Reiterating, I would not hesitate to use these hospitals and it strikes me that if your only other viable option is self-medication, in any case, at least they're a second opinion to your own.

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Trafukin
10-16-09, 22:09
Confirmed yesterday that Luana is indeed at Black & White. I saw someone who I thought looked like her there awhile back and two Brazilian friends confirmed that she was indeed there.

B&W is a bit of a treck, but luckily is out on the main drag. Av. Brasil, iirc. Which means it's at least a straight shot from downtown.

Taxi will run you about 25 reais from the centro, 40-50 from Copa.

Prices are on the order of a second rate downtown termas. Slightly less than 4x4, again IIRC.Thanks for the info. My friend that lives in Brasil is going this afternoon but glad to hear. I will be there for Natal/ Ano nova and will post pics of the grande bunda Luana!

Perkele
10-16-09, 23:21
Perkele,

I have used Brazilian public hospitals for emergencies on several occasions with no problems and no complaints (other than the wait and the general disinterest in me as a person). I have several Brazilian middle class friends who have also used them.



I seriously doubt that statement, but just for benefit of a doubt would you please tell me what do you see as brasilian middle class?



Your mileage may vary, but then again, you don't seem to ever have used Miguel Couto, so how would you know?


Well I've been living in Brasil for quite a few years and I'm almost fluent with portuguese language and I'm perfectly capable of reading local newspapers and last but not least I have seen quite a few news in television to support my vision about brasilian public healthcare.
If this all is not enough, my sister-in-law is a nurse. She tells quite a few stories. Even if I take out typical brasilian exageration the stories are pretty bad.
I do not need to go to Miguel Couto to know that even with emergency you might not get any assistance at all.
Insurance and COPA D'OR are best bet!




My comments are based on a lot of personal experience and also upon what many of my Brazilian friends will admit to when they are not talking p'ra gringo ver. Brazilians, in general, love to ***** about everything to gringos, especially if it involves public services and government. What they do, however, is not always what they say they do.


Well I do understand, but..... read my previous comment.




Public hospitals are not generally good for chronic problems. They are good for emergencies on the line of "give 'them meds and send 'them home" or traumatic accidents. I wouldn't go to one for, say, elective surgery. But for dealing with the results of a messy accident? I have receieved better treatment at Miguel Couto than at most private hospitals, to tell the truth.


Please do share, which private hospital was worse than Miguel Couto? Just for me to know so I can avoid.



The main problem with the public system from a middle class Brazilian perspective is that you need to wait (and the middle class wants to be treated right now, thank you) and you are treated as a piece of meat, not a patient (and Brazilians are notorious hyperchondriacs who want to feel that their every whim is being catered to while they are sick).


Wait a minute, wait for what? Aren't we talking about EMERGENCY? In a emergency you do not WAIT.



In the NE and out in the suburbs, there are some truly scary public hospitals and I don't think I'd go to these. But in Rio and São Paulo at least, my experiences with Miguel Couto and Hospital das Clínicas have been uniformly positive. And this is with close to a dozen passages through these two institutions' doors.


Fantastic, you've been very lucky.



Reiterating, I would not hesitate to use these hospitals and it strikes me that if your only other viable option is self-medication, in any case, at least they're a second opinion to your own.


I agree with you on self medication, do not do it. That's stupidest thing to do. On the otherhand, there is no need to go to hospital if you need just medication. There are lots of clinics all over the Rio where a doctor will see you and prescribes correct medication. Also these clinics are not very expensive, normally around 50 - 100 reais for a consult.

I completely disagree your point of view on public healthcare in Brasil and my advice is to AVOID by all means. Your life is in line. I'd never go to public hospital.

Also for those who are concerned of accidents and other kinds of medical emergencies I recommend to find out information of private ambulances. SAMU, which is public firedepartment run ambulance service may never arrive.
Anyway knowing the traffic in Rio, its better not to have anykind of emergency.

Quincas
10-17-09, 15:42
I seriously doubt that statement, but just for benefit of a doubt would you please tell me what do you see as brasilian middle class?Strict definition, friend: the folks in the middle in economic terms. People in the upper 5th of the economy and below the top 5%. Generally have some degree of college education, making around 2000 reais per month or more. I am not talking about the people who make 25,000 reais a month and think that they are middle class because they live in an exclusive condo in Barra da Tijuca and can pay for the kind of lifestyle they see on American T.V.

As a concrete example, two people I know who just used SUS: one to deal with a prostate problem and the second to deal with cancer. The first's a sixty-something manager at a downtown bank. The second's a grad student in her late '30s. Both have private plans and used them to get a second opinion. Both decided that the treatment they'd get from SUS was, all things considered, better and more convenient. The first got sick of trying to convince his health plan that he had a real problem and the second's being treated in INCA, which is hands down one of Brazil's best cancer institutes, for all that it's SUS.

By contrast, another friend, the daughter of a wealthy artist, decided that she wasn't going to have her baby in the public system (though public maternities are generally good in Rio). She paid top dollar for private care and her baby got strangeled in the umbilical chord coming out. Several minutes without oxygen and we still don't know what the long term effects - if any - will be.


Well I've been living in Brasil for quite a few years and I'm almost fluent with portuguese language and I'm perfectly capable of reading local newspapers and last but not least I have seen quite a few news in television to support my vision about brasilian public healthcare.And you've never heard similar stories coming out of the private system? Hell, Perk, either your Portuguese isn't as good as you think it is or you're not paying attention. Do a Google on "Cássia Eller", just for starters.

Health care in general is a toss of the dice. In Brazil that goes double. But "private" isn't a synonym of "quality" there and neither does "public" mean "crap". The correct question is "Which private or public institution?" They are not uniform quality.

INCA is great. Miguel Couto is generally good. The hospital out near Vila da Penha? One of the best in the world for traumatic gunshot wounds, given all the practice they get from the Complexo do Alemão. U.S. Special Forces used to train there pre-Iraq, or so I hear.

But the University Hospital? Used to be great, now it sucks - that's when it's not closed. And, like all things in Rio, quality takes a steep nose-dive to the degree that you move out from Centro and Zona Sul. I don't think I'll be testing the quality of public health care out in the suburbs of Duque de Caxias any time soon, thanks. At least not with my body.


If this all is not enough, my sister-in-law is a nurse. She tells quite a few stories. Even if I take out typical brasilian exageration the stories are pretty bad.You can hear horror stories from health professionals even up here in Canada. This isn't new, nor is it specific to Brazil. And it certainly isn't specific to the Brazilian public system, Perk. I have very good Brazilian friends who are nurses, doctors and techs in the private system and they've also told me stories which would curl your hair. This is what health care professionals love to do when they are around laymen.


Please do share, which private hospital was worse than Miguel Couto? Just for me to know so I can avoid.I was definitely not taken with Hemotrauma in Ipanema. During my bike accident, the emergency care I got from Miguel Couto was head and shoulders above the follow-up care I paid to get from Hemotrauma, supposedly one of the best places in town for ligament problems. They really sucked. Had me hobbling around on a fucked-up leg when wheelchairs where all over the place and the asshole doctor even told me to quit whining and suck it up like a man. This is three days after ripping out two ligaments in my left knee. Squeezed out the fluid in my knee without painkillers - which were freely given out over at Miguel Couto.


Wait a minute, wait for what? Aren't we talking about EMERGENCY? In a emergency you do not WAIT.Right. Which is generally how I've ended up in public hospitals in the first place. But I usually use the public system to get a free second opinion on my health care plan, in any case.


Fantastic, you've been very lucky.Not particularly lucky, no. Public hospitals' bad reputation is greatly overrated. I have had no complaints at all. Can't say the same for the private system.


I completely disagree your point of view on public healthcare in Brasil and my advice is to AVOID by all means. Your life is in line. I'd never go to public hospital.Well, we've both got opinions. Let's put our opinions into perspective, shall we? I've used the Brazilian public health system over a dozen times, have plenty of friends who've used it and know many Brazilian health care professionals. You have never used it and seem to be going on the opinions of others. We've both got opinions, Perk, but really, my extensive first hand experience with the Brazilian health system makes me believe that ALL health care in Brazil is a roll of the dice, but that the public system - at least in the south zone - is certainly not the horror story you're making it out to be based on second and third hand reports.

While getting bad health care for free certainly sucks, nothing is worse than paying for [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140)-poor health care. Know your hospitals and what they specialize in: that's the key to getting decent care in Rio. Not simply painting all public institutions as worse and private institutions as better.


Anyway knowing... Rio, its better not to have anykind of emergency. And that is something we can both agree on!

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Quincas
10-17-09, 21:01
Most years, they sell metro tickets for NYE in advance and you need to go down on a certain time. Metro has run all night in recent years, I believe.

Unless you buy a metro ticket in advance, you'd better get down to the beach from centro by, say midday, because soon after that, you won't be able to get a space on a bus or in a taxi for love nor money.

'Course, you could always walk, which is what I did a couple of years ago. Or rent a bike - better idea yet.

Even if you buy a metro ticket in advance, the last time I went via metro it was so fucking packed I had a panic attack. (The fact that I ate a magic brownie before hitting the metro didn't help, but still)

Quincas
10-18-09, 03:02
Different strokes for different folks, Exec Talent.

Bravo
10-18-09, 13:55
Most years, they sell metro tickets for NYE in advance and you need to go down on a certain time. Metro has run all night in recent years, I believe.

Unless you buy a metro ticket in advance, you'd better get down to the beach from centro by, say midday, because soon after that, you won't be able to get a space on a bus or in a taxi for love nor money.

'Course, you could always walk, which is what I did a couple of years ago. Or rent a bike - better idea yet.

Even if you buy a metro ticket in advance, the last time I went via metro it was so fucking packed I had a panic attack. (The fact that I ate a magic brownie before hitting the metro didn't help, but still)


You walked from Centro all the way to Copacabana?!! WOW!

Quincas
10-18-09, 15:06
You walked from Centro all the way to Copacabana?!! WOW!Well, from Glória, actually. It's maybe an hour and a half walk and not too bad.

Quincas
10-18-09, 15:10
Exec Talent, it also must be admitted, has a decided talent for flaming anyone whose opinion he doesn't like.

It should also be noted that he was ranting about Joe's book years before the damned thing was even published, so I doubt he's unbiased in the information he gives out.

Ryjerrob
10-18-09, 20:52
Exec Talent, it also must be admitted, has a decided talent for flaming anyone whose opinion he doesn't like.

It should also be noted that he was ranting about Joe's book years before the damned thing was even published, so I doubt he's unbiased in the information he gives out.You've been a registered member for all of 16 days.

Consider yourself flamed!

Ryjer

Quincas
10-18-09, 23:25
This may be deemed an act of war between drug gangs and police. In a country like Brazil that had a very recent "junta" past, such violence will give birth to a "shadow" police squad to control the violence. I believe such crime will generate a right-wing government in the next presidency that will support a war on Rio gangs to protect tourism.Since when is 25 years ago "very recent", Jamaicanceo?

And "will give birth"? Read "Rota 66" by Caco Barcelos or, hell, just watch the recent film "Tropa de Elite" ("Elit Squad", I believe, in English). We've had death squads in this city for close to 50 years now and they don't need to be "shadow" at all because the populace and the powers that be largely support them.

The Watcher
10-19-09, 01:47
It should also be noted that he was ranting about Joe's book years before the damned thing was even published, so I doubt he's unbiased in the information he gives out.

According to your profile, you have only been a member since October 2 - 16 days; accordingly, how do you know Exec Talent has been "ranting" for years about Rio Joe's book?

Quincas
10-19-09, 14:15
According to your profile, you have only been a member since October 2 - 16 days; accordingly, how do you know Exec Talent has been "ranting" for years about Rio Joe's book?As Poucolouco points out, there's this nifty little thing called a "search" function. You can catch Exec Talent bitching about Joe's writing back in 2007, right on this very site, by following this link (it took me all of five minutes to find this, btw):

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=3011&page=5&pp=15

Apparently, Exec Talent's main beef with Joe is twofold:

1) He doesn't like Joe's writing style.

2) He's offended that someone dare make a comment about RdJ that he himself has not rubber-stamped as "approved". Joe says, for example, that L'Uomo is in a shopping center, something which at least a dozen people here have said and which the termas itself claims on their own website. This isn't a nit in Exec's eyes: it's a damning condemnation of Joe's entire book.

I mean, think about it: Joe's book is complete trash, according to Exec. And yet the most damning example that springs to his mind, while writing his review, are two nits: Joe claims L'Uomo is in a shopping center and that it has a garish sign. And when called out on these two points, he doesn't offer up a list of Joe's supposedly multiple grave errors regarding Rio: he bitches about Joe making money off of selling information to mongers - something which he himself believes is a good and valuable thing. And then he claims that this is an "unbiased opinion" when, in fact, anyone who can use a search button can find Exec Talent trashing on Joe Diamind years before the book came out.

I have no problems with Exec having a point of view that says that Joe Diamond is shit. What bothers me is that he seems to have a personal axe to grind with any opinion that comes from someone he doesn't like - even if it's identical to his own. He flames people simply for stating their mind and he engages in on-line crusades to keep the internet "pure" from people he doesn't like.

Exec Talent is a man of many opinions, some of which I agree with and some which I don't, all of which are very strongly held. What I find upsetting is that he seems to think that he is the only person who has the right to an opinion.

Let me ask you this, Watcher: can you find one single disagreement which Exec Talent has ever engaged in which he hasn't very quickly devolved into name-calling and flaming, almost always at the insitigation of Exec Talent? Either here or anywhere else, for that matter...?

Note that I sincerely do not mean this to be a flame againt Exec. I think he contributes an awful lot of good shit. I also think he takes himself far too seriously as the self-appointed guardian of what is truly valuable and what is not in the mongering world and I wish he'd just relax a bit.

It takes all kinds to keep a community like this interesting and vital and that's a fact that Exec Talent frequently loses track of.

Eros74
10-19-09, 19:21
According to your profile, you have only been a member since October 2 - 16 days; accordingly, how do you know Exec Talent has been "ranting" for years about Rio Joe's book?

The Watcher, you are really more than clever and smart....

First how did you answer to me and now how did you catch Quincas is a troll :) he surely has another nickname.

Yes definetely, you watch very well ;)

Sperto
10-19-09, 20:15
If you all Rio-experts stop flaming Quincas, I'm sure he has a lot to contribute. He propably has a lot more knowledge of Rio than many other contributors in the Brazil section.

Exec Talent
10-19-09, 21:52
If you all Rio-experts stop flaming Quincas, I'm sure he has a lot to contribute. He propably has a lot more knowledge of Rio than many other contributors in the Brazil section.
Yes, can't we just let boring dogs lie (preferably in their own thread).

Quincas
10-20-09, 02:49
Well, here's a monger-related Olympic tidbit to ponder...

Vila Mimosa is relatively close to Maracanã which, as Hughdad points out, will be closing down soon for World's Cup-related renovation (folks forget the World's Cup will also be here in 2014).

So will the "clean up the Maracanã region" affect Vila Mimosa? If they push the Vila out, this will be the third time it will have had to move. And where would it move to?

Quincas
10-20-09, 02:52
Yes, can't we just let boring dogs lie (preferably in their own thread).Nothing is more boring than constant flames and fighting. Perhaps flamers and "more-monger-than-thou" fanboys should have their own thread, what?

Quincas
10-20-09, 06:23
Prove they dont.Prove a negative?

Quincas
10-20-09, 06:25
Quincas is Macunamia's alter ego. This guy brings nothing but long paragraphs that will put you sleep.You are obsessed.

Sperto
10-20-09, 07:20
Quincas is Macunamia's alter ego. This guy brings nothing but long paragraphs that will put you sleep.
I have no idea if Quincas and Macunaima is the same guy. I don't think so, even though both have alias identical with book titles. I really can't see any similarities in their ways of writing.

Macunaima was very critical against the whole mongering scene. Still I thought his postings were interesting reading.

Sperto
10-20-09, 10:23
Vila Mimosa is relatively close to Maracanã which, as Hughdad points out, will be closing down soon for World's Cup-related renovation (folks forget the World's Cup will also be here in 2014).
Closing/moving VM would be much more serious than closing Help. What a nightmare...

I don't think that will happen. VM isn't that close to Maracana. VM is tucked away a bit hidden. It doesn't disturb nobody.

Exec Talent
10-20-09, 12:38
I have no idea if Quincas and Macunaima is the same guy. I don't think so, even though both have alias identical with book titles. I really can't see any similarities in their ways of writing.

Macunaima was very critical against the whole mongering scene. Still I thought his postings were interesting reading.
We (as in members of this forum) made a decision awhile ago to keep it real. At that time, Macunaima was banished to his own thread because he insisted on attempting to dominate every thread here with hypotheticals.

This forum is for doers. Not academics who are allegedly "studying" what doers do. After Macunaima left here he went to another forum and did exactly the same thing he had done at ISG. The only reason he is back here is because he was asked to leave the other forum.

No one is saying he should not be able to post. He can. There is a thread titled Macunaima in Brazil. It was setup for a reason. It was setup especially for him so that he could not derail and attempt to dominate other threads. Let’s not forget it was setup for a reason.

Quincas
10-20-09, 14:21
Closing/moving VM would be much more serious than closing Help. What a nightmare...

I don't think that will happen. VM isn't that close to Maracana. VM is tucked away a bit hidden. It doesn't disturb nobody.For the record, I think that you're right, Sperto. I bring this up because it's a topic that's being bandied about lately by Brazilian mongers. Some of those guys are speculating whether or not VM will be affected by the whole "clean up Rio" buzz.

Quincas
10-20-09, 15:05
All you need to do to whip Exec Talent into a frenzy is criticize him.

I rest my case.

Hughdad
10-21-09, 13:00
Prove a negative?Yeah, he cracks me up. A real negative thinking guy.

Sprite13
10-22-09, 05:11
I also fully remember those days where Prosal was swearing only by Brasileiras. Wondered what happened to make him do a 180 degrees; could it be that his sweet little innocent princessinha in Goiania burnt him or something? ;)


Sorry, Sprite, I'm not Mac. I know who you're talking about, however, because I've read WSG and I used to hang out on brazzil.com back when prosal was on that site, waxing enthusiastic about how Brazilian women in general just love gringos.

Prosal
10-22-09, 12:22
We both know there were no fake quotes. I just admire the energy you put in editing your post all the time. Makes me think of the commercial with the Duracell rabbit.
Sperto, you're really hopelessly thick. A true burro. As usual, you prefer fiddling, quibbling, deriding and argumenting than learning from others and broadening your horizons.

No wonder why you mesh well with Macunaima/Quincas.

Quincas
10-22-09, 14:25
...I always have around 2 or 3 thousand reals on me too...Johnny, while I agree that Rio and Copa are not as dangerous as some mongers make them out to be - and certainly not as dangerous as the current media reports make them out to be - it strikes me that walking around with 2-3k in your pants is just asking for trouble.

My question is why would you do this? You don't need that kind of walking around cash and the hotel safe would certainly be a lot safer, even if you have a black belt in jiu-jitsu.

Quincas
10-22-09, 14:33
Simply because I've discovered FSU, my little trutinha....OMG! The mystery is revealed at last: Prosal is actually Macunaima!

How do I know?

In all my time on Brazzil.com and in this entire forum here, the only person who has ever used "trutinha" as an insult is. MACUNAIMA!

This explains a hell of a lot. Prosal and Mac's endless insulting back-and-forths on Brazzil.com, for one. I always wondered how those didn't get censored.

This also fits Mac's MO, given that the dude seems to like to argue. Who better to argue with than oneself? And what better way to maintain an annoying, uncensorable, presence on multiple boards than by having two personas who apparently hate each other?

Prosal, I offcially dub thee "Promac"!

My hat is off to you, Promac. Very, very subtle. Much nastier than rieckrolling, I might add.

Quincas
10-22-09, 14:42
Also in Brasil prostitution is completely legal profession.

No working girl will sue anybody for posting their pictures in internet. Stop being paranoid.Well. Self-prostitution is legal, yes. Photographing nekid women without a license and distributing those pictures internationally is technically illegal production of pornography and it can even be argued that it is trafficking of women. Bullshit, I know, but a few years back, IIRC, the cops closed down a virtual sex site in Rio with that specific allegation (trafficking of women).

Now, you're right in saying that working girls probably won't sue. That sort of international legal activity is far beyond their means.

But beware of GdPnet, my friend: it is a very powerful force. These girls are networked into the internet and some of them do indeed monitor this site and others. And they never forget a face. It probably would be pretty easy for them to figure out who a poster is and I'm sure many of them can think of several creative means for getting revenge the next time said poster is in town.

Word spreads quick among these women.

Perkele
10-22-09, 22:41
Well. Self-prostitution is legal, yes. Photographing nekid women without a license and distributing those pictures internationally is technically illegal production of pornography and it can even be argued that it is trafficking of women. Bullshit, I know, but a few years back, IIRC, the cops closed down a virtual sex site in Rio with that specific allegation (trafficking of women).

Now, you're right in saying that working girls probably won't sue. That sort of international legal activity is far beyond their means.

But beware of GdPnet, my friend: it is a very powerful force. These girls are networked into the internet and some of them do indeed monitor this site and others. And they never forget a face. It probably would be pretty easy for them to figure out who a poster is and I'm sure many of them can think of several creative means for getting revenge the next time said poster is in town.

Word spreads quick among these women.


Hold on. If you have naked pics of a prostitute and you have paid for her services its rather difficult to prove that she didn't give you a permission to do what ever you like with those pictures. Now, to follow 100% the law I believe that there need to be some kind of written agreement, but on the otherhand should there be one for all her services.

GDPnet. You are very very funny guy.

Quincas
10-23-09, 02:06
Hold on. If you have naked pics of a prostitute and you have paid for her services its rather difficult to prove that she didn't give you a permission to do what ever you like with those pictures. Now, to follow 100% the law I believe that there need to be some kind of written agreement, but on the otherhand should there be one for all her services.

GDPnet. You are very very funny guy.[Extremely solemn face] GdPnet exists, man. Seriously.

As far as I understand it, P (and I could be wrong here), from a legal standpoint it's not a question of her having to prove anything: it's a question of you having to prove you have a license to produce and distribute porn (or erotica or whatever PC euphemism they use). Under most countries' laws, porn's pretty heavily regulated if it isn't supressed and, the last time I looked, Brazil still had anti-porn laws on the books. How producers get around that, I don't know. I presume that, like in most country's, they either have to pay a bribe or the legal equivalent of a bribe: a license fee.

Quincas
10-23-09, 05:39
Understood. No more talk aboutt this topic by me, then.

Quincas
10-23-09, 15:29
Apologies accepted. It was effectively those unwarranted sarcasms towards my Goiania ex GF that pissed me off and generated my fiery answer.

Paz.Prosal, at most I was gently ribbing you. I certainly wasn't being sarcastic towards your ex.

But jesus, kid! You don't want to be ribbed after posting for years how great Brazilian women are? ;-)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but your big beef with Macunaima on Brazzil.com was that you believed that Brazilian women were some sort of special branch of superior female, correct? Now, several years later, that's no longer the case. Peoples' views change. You seem to have come around to Macunaima's way of thinking: "Brazilian women ain't all that". I find this funny and ironic, given the hatred you carry for the man.

Kid Cisco
10-23-09, 16:19
Quincas do you monger at all?

Or do you just log on to debate on legal issues? Guys this is MAC let'd face it just watch and view his post from this period on and you will see what I am talking about.

Kid Cisco

Sperto
10-24-09, 10:36
I was wrong. Quincas, you're actually Macunaima.

First I thought not as I couldn't imagine Macunaima eating magic brownies or visiting termas. :)

I'm sure this section will have interesting discussions with the well known anthropologist Thaddeus Blanchette. ;)

Ryjerrob
10-24-09, 18:02
on your elevation in status!!!!!!!!!!

Tiradentes
10-24-09, 19:32
Welcome back, Macunaima !

I truly enjoy your thoughtful reports about the hobby, Rio, and life in general.

Forget about the haters in the other threads that are dissing you. The Rio forum hasn't had any useful info. for the least 5 years.

Abracos.

Carlos Primeros
10-24-09, 19:46
Hi Macunaima/Quincas,

Please be so kind and advise, from whome you took your nic:

Quincas Borba

or

Quincas Laranjeiras

Two persons which only people with scholastic education know.

Carlos

Catire
10-24-09, 20:12
Quincas, why is it brazil women like american men more than brazil men?


they don't. They like stupid gringos whom they can treat as ATM's, but for a good hard fuck, aka por prazer.. they always find their brazilian boyfriend.

Sperto
10-24-09, 22:12
Mac/Quin is a non mongering academic, supposedly doing research on US here. His post do nothing in Helping you find women in Brazil. He likes to dominate and derail threads by goading others to respond to him.
I prefer to quote you in the proper thread. :)
I agree and disagree.

When I first joined this forum I did this in the purpose of giving and receiving useful information about mongering in Brazil. The monger information given here about Brazil, besides Rio and São Paulo, is very scarce. I have understood that there are two reasons for this.
1. Most mongers only stay in Rio.
2. The mongers who finds good mongering cities don't share the information (there are a handful of exceptions) because they stay good as long as there are just a few gringos.

When it comes to mongering information about Rio it's mostly the same stuff repeated over and over again, Copa, Help and termas. Very few new information about centro casas, streetwalker areas and other trash areas.

I enjoy this forum not because of the lack of new information, neither because of the stories of how some mongers got laid with Help girls, but because there are several posters who make reports that are really intelligent, thoughtful and makes me seeing things in a new perspective.

In the case of Mac/Quincas he doesn't help me finding women, but he does give reports with values even though I might not always agree. I think that deserves some respect.

The only pity is that I guess after all the research he's done he must be holding on tons of interesting mongering information. :)

JohnnyBraz
10-24-09, 23:25
I prefer to quote you in the proper thread. :)
I agree and disagree.

When I first joined this forum I did this in the purpose of giving and receiving useful information about mongering in Brazil. The monger information given here about Brazil, besides Rio and São Paulo, is very scarce. I have understood that there are two reasons for this.

1. Most mongers only stay in Rio.

2. The mongers who finds good mongering cities don't share the information (there are a handful of exceptions) because they stay good as long as there are just a few gringos.

When it comes to mongering information about Rio it's mostly the same stuff repeated over and over again, Copa, Help and termas. Very few new information about centro casas, streetwalker areas and other trash areas.

I enjoy this forum not because of the lack of new information, neither because of the stories of how some mongers got laid with Help girls, but because there are several posters who make reports that are really intelligent, thoughtful and makes me seeing things in a new perspective.

In the case of Mac/Quincas he doesn't help me finding women, but he does give reports with values even though I might not always agree. I think that deserves some respect.

The only pity is that I guess after all the research he's done he must be holding on tons of interesting mongering information. :)I myself find that mac has valubale information about brazil in genral. I hope he keeps this thread going as there is always something good to learn about Brazil.

Eros74
10-24-09, 23:57
...When it comes to mongering information about Rio it's mostly the same stuff repeated over and over again, Copa, Help and termas. Very few new information about centro casas, streetwalker areas and other trash areas....

I agree with you Sperto, but for short timer in Rio as me, the trio Copa, Help and Termas offer so much, that there is almost no need to waste time to find something better, especially cause hardly can be find something really better.

Next time I would like to try normal disco, but as you said about other cities in Brazil, if somebody finds something good is afraid to share here, cause with so many mongers in Rio, this good place will stays good for short time.

However I tried other cities as you know, but I discover Rio is far better the best, but obviously I will have again 2 months to spend in Brazil, I will maybe try something else, but in soon future I will short timer again, so I am afraid my report will not be so that interesting for the expert of Brazil as you are.

Java Man
10-24-09, 23:59
Obviously, some of you (not Java Man or Harvestboi) missed the point.

Thanks,

JacksonIf HE and HIS post were NOT disruptive, teacher would NOT have sent him to a corner of the classroom. :)

Sperto
10-25-09, 00:32
I agree with you Sperto, but for short timer in Rio as me, the trio Copa, Help and Termas offer so much, that there is almost no need to waste time to find something better, especially cause hardly can be find something really better.
You're right, Lukasek, it depends very much on the time you got to spend.

Everybody got their own ranking.
Mine continue the same:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=532479&postcount=209

I love Rio, but just as a combination with other cities. I enjoy picking up regular girls and because of this Brazil has many better options for me than Rio.

Last winter I ended up in a city not much visited by gringos. I got to know a very nice gringo living there half-permanently. He was in his heaven. 50+ years old, picking up 18-25 year old women for free several times a week. I was amazed how this gentleman knew just about all the hot women in the clubs. He "threatened" me if I told other gringos about this city I would be punished with death. Being a chicken :D I keep my mouth shut and will continue to do so...

Eros74
10-25-09, 01:16
Sperto I totally agree with you, do not say anything and I easily believe a 50+ yo can get 20-22yo brazilian girls if he lives there.

I would say it is much easier for 50yo man have sex with regular girls living there than for a handsome 30yo there only for 10-14 days 2-3 times per year.

You know I am a bit different from the others who love brazil, my top notch will be the look of girls in Curitiba at the price of nort east with the friendly attitude and full service of terma carioca girls.... pretty hard to have that in one city....but tell me if I am wrong :)

Very interesting your ranking cities.... thanks for the link.....the longer I read in Brazil thread, the more I see how many infos you gave here in the past when I was travelling in FSU....so thanks with delay.....

Actually I have a "book" of questions about your chart.... for example you gave "3" to non pro girls in Floripa, if about the look I would gave 5, if about how hard to get them I'd gave a 1.
At second place Manaus.....hm....girls there are light-white skin too or only black skin ?
Belo Horizonte seems interesting, considering it got "1" as no beaches, otherwise it could be much higher in the chart.
A while ago I was writing PM with one member who suggested me Forta....are there....see the question of Manaus above ;)

Actually I should find a solution....cause I will get retired in year 2,039....I will die if I will have to wait so much time to start to live in Brazil :)

Mr Enternational
10-25-09, 07:19
Last winter I ended up in a city not much visited by gringos. I got to know a very nice gringo living there half-permanently. He was in his heaven. 50+ years old, picking up 18-25 year old women for free several times a week.
How many of those 18-25 year old women would this same 50+ year old guy be picking up if he was broke? As they say in France, "show up with no money and see just how popular you really are with the ladies."

JohnnyBraz
10-25-09, 07:31
How many of those 18-25 year old women would this same 50+ year old guy be picking up if he was broke?Very well said. Most women in general (brazil, uk, USA etc) only want men with money. There are over 25 million older broke arse men in there country to choose from.

Eros74
10-25-09, 09:32
...As they say in France, "show up with no money and see just how popular you really are with the ladies."

I agree with France motto, but again, if you live there you do not need to be very wealthy-rich.

I believe all us here we are rich enough to have 18-25yo if we only lived there, we as mongers, miss the time, not the money to date regular girls....IMHO.

Sperto
10-25-09, 09:58
At second place Manaus.....hm....girls there are light-white skin too or only black skin ?
A while ago I was writing PM with one member who suggested me Forta....are there....see the question of Manaus above ;)
Manaus girls often have indian blood. Nice mixtures.
Fortaleza girls can be stunning or short with footballheads and no necks.
If you want lots of black girls you better head to Bahia.

How many of those 18-25 year old women would this same 50+ year old guy be picking up if he was broke?
If he was broke he wouldn't be able to spend 6 months in Brazil every year. :)

The guy lived very spartan. Always cooking his own food in his apartment and never spending much money on the women. Well dressed, charm, humour and very direct in his approaches. His luck in picking up lots of beautiful girls wasn't because of the money.

Eros74
10-25-09, 21:27
M...
If you want lots of black girls you better head to Bahia...

Ehm dear Sperto....just the opposite.... lot of white or light skin ;)

Quincas
10-27-09, 17:44
interesting that people are posting dr. blanchette's photo over on the main site in order to punish macunaima and, supposedly, myself.

let's take two hypotheticals here. let's presume that i'm macunaima and macunaima is blanchette.

ok.

so what we have here are a couple of guys who mostly live in countries where prostitution is illegal, where going overseas for prostitution is illegal and where, in any case, mongers are considered to be worthless scumbags, slightly above the level of ****s.

and these guys think that it's a brilliant idea to "out" someone who, by their own admission, is not doing anything illegal and who'll probably only gain free publicity from the notoriety anyhow.

furthermore, they're doing this to a guy who - if their presumptions are correct - lives 24-7 in brazil, speaks the language, is connected into local legal annd power structures and who apparently makes his living watching and writing about gringos in copacabana.

in other words, these folks who, more than anything else, should want their identities maintained secret, are actively trying to out a gentleman who doesn't need anonymity and, in fact, posts on many sex sites under his given name. worse: this guy speaks portuguese, practically lives on copa, talks to many of the women who deal with gringos and who almost certainly knows the real world identities of many of the posters here. and the geniuses behind this outing strategy are doing this based on the word of a half a dozen posters who - let's face it - are not the brightest bulbs on god's christmas tree and who have identified macunaima as someone else entirely a half a dozen times already.

now that's what i call a brilliant plan for taking macunaima down a peg or two. get these guys over to afghanistan. they'll solve our problems there in no time flat. :d

Perkele
10-27-09, 21:59
so what we have here are a couple of guys who mostly live in countries where prostitution is illegal, where going overseas for prostitution is illegal and where, in any case, mongers are considered to be worthless scumbags, slightly above the level of ****s.


not taking any stand who you are or if you are macunaima or not i have to state 2 things.

1. you got your own thread for a reason. now sit down and think why.

2. you just got yourself upgraded to master of misinformation if you referred to brasil as a country where prostitution is illegal. its perfectly legal here as long as women (or men) are doing it by their own will and pocketing all into their pockets. actually there is a profession, sindicate and if they want they can declare taxes, get health benefits (tax deductable if paid from own pocket) etc. so..... from now on you're on my ignore list. goodbye.

Quincas
10-27-09, 23:25
I would like to encourage you Quincas to forget all this fuss and continue to enlighten us. Quincas, why not use intelligently this forum for your own social research? That would be wonderful BB, if I were a researcher.

I'm just monger who's been caught up in the Exec Talent circle jerk club's paranoia.

I think it's funny as shit how I got nominated for a post of distinction one day, then banned to my own thread the next simply because ET has a thing for macunima.

But hey, it's the internet, right? Self-important *******es are legion.

Tiradentes
10-28-09, 06:05
so what we have here are a couple of guys who mostly live in countries where prostitution is illegal, where going overseas for prostitution is illegal and where, in any case, mongers are considered to be worthless scumbags, slightly above the level of ****s.

d


most brazilian men frequent prostitutes. it is a totally acceptable norm in there. most teenage boys in brazil lose their virginity to garotas do programa. also, you will find a brothel in every brazilian town and village. even the smallest ones, where gringos can't even find them on map.

if we are be worthless scumbags- slightly above the level of ****s- as seen by the natives, , then so are 85% of brazilian men.

Quincas
10-28-09, 15:35
if we are be worthless scumbags- slightly above the level of ****s- as seen by the natives, , then so are 85% of brazilian men.tira and perk, maybe you guys should read what i wrote with a bit more attention. i wasn't talking about brazil.

Golfinho
10-28-09, 16:28
most brazilian men frequent prostitutes. it is a totally acceptable norm in there. most teenage boys in brazil lose their virginity to garotas do programa. also, you will find a brothel in every brazilian town and village. even the smallest ones, where gringos can't even find them on map.

if we are be worthless scumbags- slightly above the level of ****s- as seen by the natives, , then so are 85% of brazilian men.american morality is the exception in the world. not the norm.

Sperto
10-31-09, 21:10
A question to anybody who might have the answer.

I read a very interesting and well done work of a gringo anthropologist, "Nossa Senhora da Help".
http://www.scielo.br/pdf/cpa/n25/26529.pdf

The same anthropologist also made a map of the market of female sexual services in Rio de Janeiro, with 304 prostitution sites. I would love to study that map. Does anybody know where to find it?

Poucolouco
11-01-09, 00:47
I guess your promotion to Senior comes with being quarantined. It's like getting your golden watch upon retirement. Big deal, you get to look at girly pictures. rsrsrs ;)

Brazil Specialist
11-03-09, 12:52
at the risk of getting flamed for defending people against mobbing, I want to tell some truths

Quincas information about legal issues are worth Gold.

If only one foreigner can avoid a US$ 200 000 mistake like marrying or cohabitating with a girl without proper legal property separation, then Quincas certainly did a wonderful deed. I would not be surprised if a judges decision about alimony can be enforced in your home country. So you better be careful.

Maybe at some time he could also warn about labor laws, as you can legally buy an apartment and some plumber or bricklayer who allegedly was not paid by the prior owner or the constructor can sue you and take the property away. Or worse, he can sue the constructor, without your knowledge, and then take your property away and you can not contest the veracity of the alleged debt.


a) Quincas is very knowledgeable. I have not detected one single mistake in what he said here.

b) if Quincas were Macunaima, so what? If he wants to have two identities, one respectable one and one moger identity, so what is the problem? you should respect that. Most of you also have two identities and don't want Boss and wife know all the details of your Vila Mimosa (or Centaurus) visits. I think that should be respected, no questions asked. Actually, without knowing the rules here, I suppose trying to post and uncover people's identities is probably illegal. And it looks like Macunaima's identity is not hard to break for being almost a public figure.

What would you guys say about feminazis working at uncovering your identity and putting it on the internet?

c) Termas L'Uoma IS in a shopping mall. It is called "Shopping Antiquario" and would bore little kids or teenagers to death, as it only has antique stores. It also is on the very outskirts of the store, but the sign can be seen right from the street (with a little effort).

d) Termas Monte Carlo and Centaurus are in very posh neighborhood (I was in the cobertura next to Monte Carlo and it goes for at least 20 000 Reais per month rental). But both are very discrete and don't write "termas" on their entrance.

e) Bahia has very large percentage of blacks, but of course you find some whites.

Brazil Specialist
11-03-09, 12:59
I think the thread should have a name that can be recognized. I think it is essential that people who want Quincas info can find it (so far they can not) and those who don't want this can simply avoid it.

I also think Quincas should have the right either delete or to move off topic post to another thread called "Quincas flames" or similar. The disturbing thing is that this thread here 90% is off topic bickering.

Funny how people come to someone's personal thread just to say they don't like to read what is there. So why do you come here?

I don't like certain people's postings. So I either skip them, or occasionally amuse myself reading their drivel. But actually searching for what you don't like, that is masochism. Or joy of flame wars.

Exec Talent
11-03-09, 13:12
I think the thread should have a name that can be recognized. I think it is essential that people who want Quincas info can find it (so far they can not) and those who don't want this can simply avoid it.

I also think Quincas should have the right either delete or to move off topic post to another thread called "Quincas flames" or similar. The disturbing thing is that this thread here 90% is off topic bickering.

Funny how people come to someone's personal thread just to say they don't like to read what is there. So why do you come here?

I don't like certain people's postings. So I either skip them, or occasionally amuse myself reading their drivel. But actually searching for what you don't like, that is masochism. Or joy of flame wars.
Macunaima AKA Quincas was given his own thread because the owner of this forum, Jackson, is smart and knows that all Macunaima wants is attention. He moved Quincas to this thread so if people wished to dialogue with him they could. Have at it!

No one is going to flame him here. Enjoy!

Bdonkadonk
11-04-09, 00:52
Quincas is very knowledgeable.

I am rather new to this board and thanks to Quincas (Macunaima) posting here I started to read the old thread "Macunaima in Brazil". I was really impressed with the knowledge that he has and the posts in that thread (from both mongers and Mac). Very interesting discussions and Mac is presenting a whole new perspective to our hobby. I still have 5 more pages to read and I would welcome Quincas/Mac to post more on this board in the future. I hope he use this thread that is his own! I will check back here out of curiosity to see what will be said.


Termas Monte Carlo and Centaurus are in very posh neighborhood... both are very discrete and don't write "termas" on their entrance.

It is so true that Monte Carlo is discreet. I remember my first trip to Brazil and Rio de Janeiro, about 4 years ago now, and I was staying at the Oceano hotel that is in Rua Hilário de Gouveia. I didn't know of this site back then and my information of the mongering scene in Rio was very limited. I remember that I had gathered information about some of the termas, including Monte Carlo. First I found L'Uomo in that shopping mall and after a couple of days I decided that I should go and try to find MC. So I realized that it was in the same street as my hotel and started to look for it. I was asking a couple of locals and nobody knew were it was. Eventually I found it and I was so surprised that is was the door next to my hotel! For several days I had seen people go in and out there, at all times during the day and I was wondering to myself what kind of place it was. I never suspected that it was a terma.
Ok, if this had happened today I probably would have guessed that it was something like a terma, but back then I had no clue.

That is just how discreet it can look from the outside!

Poucolouco
11-04-09, 02:06
...It is so true that Monte Carlo is discreet. I remember my first trip to Brazil and Rio de Janeiro, about 4 years ago now, and I was staying at the Oceano hotel that is in Rua Hilário de Gouveia. I didn't know of this site back then and my information of the mongering scene in Rio was very limited. I remember that I had gathered information about some of the termas, including Monte Carlo. First I found L'Uomo in that shopping mall and after a couple of days I decided that I should go and try to find MC. So I realized that it was in the same street as my hotel and started to look for it. I was asking a couple of locals and nobody knew were it was. Eventually I found it and I was so surprised that is was the door next to my hotel!

That's funny. I remember my first trip to Rio and I also stayed at Oceano. I was aware of the convenience of Monte Carlo next door but I had to avoid it because there were about 15 fellow business travelers, some with wives staying at the same hotel. To add insult to injury our Brasilian hostess kept a close eye on us to make sure her naive gringo charges would not get into trouble. On the first night I befriended one of the hotel drivers who discretely drove me to Luomo to make my own trouble. The next night he drove me to Centaurus. One month later I was back in Rio without companions and made my first visit to MC.

Perkele
11-04-09, 09:33
at the risk of getting flamed for defending people against mobbing, I want to tell some truths

Quincas information about legal issues are worth Gold.

If only one foreigner can avoid a US$ 200 000 mistake like marrying or cohabitating with a girl without proper legal property separation, then Quincas certainly did a wonderful deed. I would not be surprised if a judges decision about alimony can be enforced in your home country. So you better be careful.

Maybe at some time he could also warn about labor laws, as you can legally buy an apartment and some plumber or bricklayer who allegedly was not paid by the prior owner or the constructor can sue you and take the property away. Or worse, he can sue the constructor, without your knowledge, and then take your property away and you can not contest the veracity of the alleged debt.


a) Quincas is very knowledgeable. I have not detected one single mistake in what he said here.
.

Where do you get your bullshit?

I agree that living in common law marriage for more than 3 years you practically give all rights to your spouse IF she has registered to the same address and IF she is able to PROOF that you have been living together as a couple. Also what comes to any legal actions outside of Brasil, DO NOT WORRY. Brasil hasn't signed any international treaties, so even if you own actual money to someone here and go back to your own country, nothing will be done. No-one helps Brasil, since Brasil helps no-one.

BUT where the hell comes all those other bullshit? No-one can sue you if you buy a house/apartment from someone who hasn't paid their bills. That is not your problem. Brasil is a shithole without any laws and justice? I agree that here legal issues are somewhat confusing, but come on.

I have ran into these problems when I have rented apartments whose owners didn't pay to the workers, but never was my problem. Now that I own a property I never even heard anything like that happening. Sounds like Copacabana bullshit. In other areas there are no such problems.

Poucolouco
11-04-09, 17:46
at the risk of getting flamed for defending people against mobbing, I want to tell some truths

... you can legally buy an apartment and some plumber or bricklayer who allegedly was not paid by the prior owner or the constructor can sue you and take the property away. Or worse, he can sue the constructor, without your knowledge, and then take your property away and you can not contest the veracity of the alleged debt.

When you buy an apartment, one of the first documents you should examine before closing is the Certificate of Real Obligations of the Property, (Certidão de Ônus Reais do Imóvel.) This document is produced by the State Property Registry (Cartório de Registro de Imóveis) and identifies all debts, liens, obligations and impediments to the sale of the property. With this document, the unpaid tradesman's debt would be identified or eliminated from the buyer's obligation before the purchase closes. However, in real estate there exist some unscrupulous sellers and uninformed buyers. Never make a large investment without being fully informed.

Red Eric
11-04-09, 19:03
I have ran into these problems when I have rented apartments whose owners didn't pay to the workers, but never was my problem. Now that I own a property I never even heard anything like that happening. Sounds like Copacabana bullshit. In other areas there are no such problems.In what neighborhodd do you own property?

Quincas
11-09-09, 23:44
I agree that living in common law marriage for more than 3 years you practically give all rights to your spouse IF she has registered to the same address and IF she is able to PROOF that you have been living together as a couple. Y'see, this is where Perk is dangerously uninformed. Common-law marriage can now be declared to exist from the moment a couple live together as husband and wife. This can be quite easily proven. Furthermore, Perk makes it sound as if "registering as living at the same address" was a difficult thing to do instead of simply a matter of collecting some bills there. Finally, it will be next to impossible for a gringo to discount a woman's claim of "living together as a couple" when she can probably wuite easily get a dozen or so people to testify to that fact.

Perk's making something sound difficult that's really wuite easy and I personally know about 6 people who've got caught in this bind.


BUT where the hell comes all those other bullshit? No-one can sue you if you buy a house/apartment from someone who hasn't paid their bills. That is not your problem. Brasil is a shithole without any laws and justice? I agree that here legal issues are somewhat confusing, but come on.Sorry, Perk, but once again you're wrong. When you buy a property, you take on all its outstanding debts. That is why every Brazilian has a lawyer research said debts before buying anything. Yes, you can fight this sort of shit in court. The question is, "Do you want to?"


I have ran into these problems when I have rented apartments whose owners didn't pay to the workers, but never was my problem. Now that I own a property I never even heard anything like that happening. Sounds like Copacabana bullshit. In other areas there are no such problems.That's because those debts are not leined against the property, but against the person who incurred them. Other sorts of debts are leined against the property.

If you truly don't know this and own property here, you are very lucky. NO serious Brazilian goes into a property deal without a lawyer by his side, checking all this shit out six ways to Sunday.