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Wow, your latest babe is astonishing! Is she an athlete of some kind - her body is incredibly tight and muscular, she looks like a sprinter? Are her breasts natural? I don't think I've ever seen as large, round and high a pair of naturals as those. She is truly a phenomenal specimen, what kind of training does she do to keep in that shape?
I'm wondering, why is it that all the black girls, outside of the US, are so hot- thin and fit bodies with great racks! Must be the diet, or something in the US.
Great Pictures! She has an awesome body!
AsnDragon
Here is my babe getting ready to go to town. Now, I am not going to show you a bunch of bent over spread eagle shots of her snatch. First of all it is so small you probably would not make it out anyway. If you guys like hot tight pussy, this is the place to come. I mean cum.
BadBear2000
10-07-09, 08:16
She is a dance instructor. I actually got to see her perform at a club after training a few girls. I saw them practice about a week before and I thought to myself there is now way she could train them but when the show came up I was amazed at how together they were. Her boobs are natural and I go to sleep every night with my hands on them
Wow, your latest babe is astonishing! Is she an athlete of some kind - her body is incredibly tight and muscular, she looks like a sprinter? Are her breasts natural? I don't think I've ever seen as large, round and high a pair of naturals as those. She is truly a phenomenal specimen, what kind of training does she do to keep in that shape?
Man, I can't stop checking out this girl! She's incredible, it's like I've got a schoolboy crush, lol. I went to DR a while back, and was pretty disappointed by the women where I stayed (in Sosua) - most were fat, saggy and ugly.
Hmm, so she's a dancer: any chance you could post a clip or two of her on youtube doing her thing? Maybe even her whole dance troupe?
I'm wondering, why is it that all the black girls, outside of the US, are so hot- thin and fit bodies with great racks! Must be the diet, or something in the US.
Great Pictures! She has an awesome body!
AsnDragonHoromones are added to our animlas out here in the states to make them develop faster. Which in turn make the people who eat the animals, bodies develop much faster therfore age faster. The only women that you see that are hot out here in the states are very health conscious. Eat organic food/ vegetarians vegans etc. But what it boils down to is that the food in the dr doesnt have the additional junk to what the foods in the us has. Notice how a chick in Dr could have 3 kids in no stretch mark to where if that was the same situation in the Us. She most likely would look like shit
I'm wondering, why is it that all the black girls, outside of the US, are so hot- thin and fit bodies with great racks! Must be the diet, or something in the US.
Great Pictures! She has an awesome body!
AsnDragon
McDonalds and welfare: a lethal combination.
McDonalds and welfare: a lethal combination.Probably has more to do with the fact that Haiti is the poorest nation in the western hemisphere. Hard to get fat when you are basically on subsitence diet. The poverty can be directly traced to the 100+ year embargo placed on the Island after the slaves revolted and overthrew thier French masters.
The welfare and mcdonalds syndrome in America can again be traced to 200 plus years of slavery. Then about a 100 years of Jim Crow, and just the general ignorance and belief in white supremacy of the majority population.
Chris P do you and your buddies get a group discount when you all have your white sheets and hoods cleaned at the same time?
BadBear2000
10-12-09, 14:46
The reason many girls in Haiti are slim and not fat is because they walk everywhere. They do have a transportation system that is very inexpensive but their houses are built on the side of the mountain where only mountain goats and Haitians can travel. When I first heard the saying that if there was ever a world wide nuclear war, the only thing left would be cockroaches and Haitians, I took that as an insult to the Haitian people but after I got to know them well, I realized it is a compliment because the Haitian people are survivors. They can deal with anything. When most of the slim Haitian girls get married and they stop walking, they get fat just like Americans do. I moved permanently to Haiti on July 14th this year weighing 285 lbs. I now weigh 250 lbs. My reason is simple. I eat two meals a day and no snacks. I eat local meat that has not gotten all the steroids added. I try to have sex at least once a day but my new wife is a little stingy which actually makes it better when she does give it to me. I just delivered her to the Dominican Republic where she will live with her cousin. My lady was shocked when she saw her cousin that she had not seen in a year. She was a spinner and now she could spin me. I still say Big Macs, Whoppers, and Wendy Burgers have done it to the Americans just as it is doing to the Dominicans now.
I grew up in the prejudice south and when I went to Haiti on a contract in 1983 and all the American Whites working with me were assholes, I just stayed at home and watched French TV which I could not understand. Then one Saturday night, an engineer from the mill came and ask me what I was doing and I said just watching TV. He invited me out and at that time in my life a change started that gave me a newer life, a fuller life. I realized if I was going to have a friend in Haiti, he was going to be black. Now, I can honestly say that most of my friends are black and I have one friend that I would truly die for and he is far from white. I ask all you guys to wake up and drop the prejudice feelings you grew up with and just give that guy that is a different color to be your friend. This goes for the black and the white. Now you guys may think that all I am doing here is f _ _ king black girls and making money off the mongers that come to my house. What I am doing is making the guys that come realize that all the security risks they keep hearing about Haiti is BS and will bring the once thriving tourist economy return to this country. I am trying to raise money to get an old plantation going to grow a fast growing tree for charcoal and food at a reasonable price for the people. My heart is in Haiti.
I can only hope that many of you guys will feel the same as me in the future
Probably has more to do with the fact that Haiti is the poorest nation in the western hemisphere. Hard to get fat when you are basically on subsitence diet. The poverty can be directly traced to the 100+ year embargo placed on the Island after the slaves revolted and overthrew thier French masters.
The welfare and mcdonalds syndrome in America can again be traced to 200 plus years of slavery. Then about a 100 years of Jim Crow, and just the general ignorance and belief in white supremacy of the majority population.
Chris P do you and your buddies get a group discount when you all have your white sheets and hoods cleaned at the same time?
[QUOTE=Tan1929]The welfare and mcdonalds syndrome in America can again be traced to 200 plus years of slavery. Then about a 100 years of Jim Crow, and just the general ignorance and belief in white supremacy of the majority population.QUOTE]
Riiiight - when black women from the ghetto have kids out of wedlock, flunk out of school, live on welfare and eat McDonalds every day, it's not their fault: it's those damned slaveowners from 200 years ago making them do it! Oh, er, what's that? They're all dead? And the white people alive just voted for a black president to represent them? Hmm, seems to me like it's eminently possible for black people to achieve success if they take responsibility for themselves and stop whining about things that happened long before their grandparents were born.
The really sad thing about all of this is that you can't even make a factually correct but politically incorrect comment on a wh0remongering board without some liberal poindexter sticking his nose in to support the handout generation. Society really is in trouble.
Marc Anthony
10-12-09, 18:50
[QUOTE=Tan1929]The welfare and mcdonalds syndrome in America can again be traced to 200 plus years of slavery. Then about a 100 years of Jim Crow, and just the general ignorance and belief in white supremacy of the majority population.QUOTE]
Riiiight - when black women from the ghetto have kids out of wedlock, flunk out of school, live on welfare and eat McDonalds every day, it's not their fault: it's those damned slaveowners from 200 years ago making them do it! Oh, er, what's that? They're all dead? And the white people alive just voted for a black president to represent them? Hmm, seems to me like it's eminently possible for black people to achieve success if they take responsibility for themselves and stop whining about things that happened long before their grandparents were born.
The really sad thing about all of this is that you can't even make a factually correct but politically incorrect comment on a wh0remongering board without some liberal poindexter sticking his nose in to support the handout generation. Society really is in trouble.
I think that mongers in general are often intelligent, competent, and compassionate people. Travel and trying to understand other cultures requires a bit more more of those things. For mongers, exotic sex is sometimes a gateway to to being embedded in another culture in a sense that people who don't 'get in bed with' them don't experience.
References to slavery aren't necessarily blaming anyone. Obama himself is half white, and half EAST African (NONE of his ancestors on either side were slaves in the americas). Most white americans are descended from immigrants who came after the end of slavery. There's nobody alive on earth who had anything to do with slavery in the new world.
In the US, many blacks were held essentially as serfs in the south from the end of the civil war until after WWII. The parents, and grandparents of today's adults had a direct experience of legal 'in your face' oppression. The habits and attitudes of 21st century african americans are still directly influenced by that history through their parents. That's not blaming anyone, it's just a fact.
Is that responsible for people being fat? I don't think it's a major factor. The south is the fattest region of the US, white and black. Most US blacks are connected to the south within a couple of generations. There is an inverse relationship between income and fat - and blacks are on average poorer, but poorer whites are also fatter. Younger people are fatter than older generations at a given age, and blacks are on the average younger.
All over the world people are rapidly getting fatter with the spread of US style diet and other modern lifestyle trends. It's true even in places like SE asia where people have traditionally been very slender. Look at the photos on the Thailand section - there are fat chicks in Bangkok now.
The other fact is that it's all a matter of frequency distribution. If you like slender black girls (as I do) there are still plenty of them in the US (though they are a minority and the US lifestyle works against it). I'll try to dig up some pictures - but those are the sort of girls I go out with here and they aren't that unusual. There are still lots of slender girls in the DR - but it's becoming more a minority.
The point made by BB and guys who have visited him is that there are more slender girls proportionately in Haiti. In barrios in the DR I noticed how hilly it often is. It makes for cute round butts and shapely legs when girls grow up in those hoods running up and down steep slopes constantly. In the US, areas are flattened before anything is built. In barrios of DIY casas, the natural contours of the land remain and it makes for a different environment to live in and more exercise.
The concept of something being someone's "fault" has a place in discussions of individual responsibility. When you are talking about large groups of people it just doesn't mean anything. It doesn't make much sense to think that Americans are fat because they are lazy and Haitians are slim because they are virtuous. There are fat Haitians and slim Americans - and if you change peoples daily circumstances, their weight will change to reflect the new behaviors produced by the new environment.
Badbear2000,
I respect everything you say and what you stand for, so out of respect for you I won't comment on people trying to hijack this forum with ignorant racial observations. This should serve you well to establish some type of screening process for your guests. One ignorant hate mongerer could sabotage all the good will you have established in Haiti.
Good luck
"if you change peoples daily circumstances, their weight will change to reflect the new behaviors produced by the new environment."
Which was exactly my original point: as far as I understand, there aren't many McDonalds or cheap junk food outlets in Haiti, so people eat healthier and more natural food; and there's certainly no welfare, so people are forced to go out and find work, which involves physical exercise.
How liberals can get their panties in a bunch over such straightforward logic is beyond me.
"if you change peoples daily circumstances, their weight will change to reflect the new behaviors produced by the new environment."
Which was exactly my original point: as far as I understand, there aren't many McDonalds or cheap junk food outlets in Haiti, so people eat healthier and more natural food; and there's certainly no welfare, so people are forced to go out and find work, which involves physical exercise.
How liberals can get their panties in a bunch over such straightforward logic is beyond me.What you said was maybe true. Being a person of color. But how you said it was negative. You identified one race of people and then tried to justify it. Since I move west from NYC, I found that there are more poor white trash on meth & welfare then you average black. So it is just not black people but all people! This is how conservatives see the world. All blacks are on welfare. But one thing. Blacks will not mess with Meth!
BadBear2000
10-14-09, 02:41
Guys, I can only say one thing. I don't care if you are green, you are welcome to the Haiti House and you will all be treated equally. We will try to help you get laid no matter. Just be happy let us all be brother mongers
There's a lot I could say, but for the good of the board I won't bother. Hey BadBear, cheer us all up and post some more pics of your dancer ;)
You just couldn't leave it, could you? I was willing to let your first personal insult go for the good of the forum, but you had to display your ignorance, ill manners and probable inbreeding yet again. Go fuck yourself, you pathetic little can't-get-a-woman-he-doesn't-pay-for piece of shit. That condescending enough for you?
Oh and by the way, if and when I do come to Haiti, you'll be the first to know.
Thelmas Gone
10-15-09, 03:21
Can't get a woman he doesnt pay... hey i resemble that remark lol.
Come on guys lets talk pussy, show pics of pussy, and provide info. so the lurkers can make their gameplans for their trips.
Thanks for all the input everyone has put in this board!
You just couldn't leave it, could you? I was willing to let your first personal insult go for the good of the forum, but you had to display your ignorance, ill manners and probable inbreeding yet again. Go fuck yourself, you pathetic little can't-get-a-woman-he-doesn't-pay-for piece of shit. That condescending enough for you?
Oh and by the way, if and when I do come to Haiti, you'll be the first to know.
Can't get a woman he doesnt pay... hey i resemble that remark lol.
Come on guys lets talk pussy, show pics of pussy, and provide info. so the lurkers can make their gameplans for their trips.
Thanks for all the input everyone has put in this board!OK. This spinner wore me out all by herself. Every f_k a frenzy. No matter how many times she came or how long we f_k'd she whined and pouted when I came and wanted me to keep jackhammering despite risk of a spill. Got a large hicky and she said she "destroyed me for other women; Je t'ai détruits pour d'autres femmes". Of course I had to send her packing, despite the greatest ass in the Atlantic. Not as crazy as the dominicanas tho... left without a fuss.
Never paid her a dime xcept hush money when I left her alone one afternoon. OK?
Here she is. A special spinner. Too hot to handle. Not even slightly kidding.
Truly sweet unless jealousy sets in and she becomes a vampire.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cjji0Pmmj_A
The hicky has healed. Before the hicky healed another girl put her own hicky on top. Then she added 2 more. I was a mess. Needed to let her go too. But that one was wild. I picked her up cause she was with her lesbo girlfriend and I thought that would be HOT as usual. The one on th left.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=123065
At one point we all 3 nearly came at the same time (use ur imagination) but I think we were off a few seconds. She actually converted lesbo to straight when she was with me fucking day and night for 3 days. She didn't want her girlfriend to join on day 3.
Now I got 2 fine girlfriends (cousins); lets see how long that lasts. I think a good long time : ) One of em agreed to trash the right guard. Can u guess which? The same one agreed to tattoo my name on her ass. But would never want to ruin that ass. Neither of them has and will never ask for money. They live with me. Everyone is happy; life is GREAT.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XhH5CqSqz8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH1h-77qviU
Ex Lesbian girlfriends gyrating poolside (white bikini and the gymnast)
Current girlfriends in green and too small bikinis. Performing religious ceremony. Ass is not simply ass. Beautiful happy Haitian hinies gyrating in harmony are proof that GOD exists. Think about it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbwYwWaklbQ
BadBear2000
10-15-09, 13:44
Papio, you were one of the guys I wanted to see when I opened up the house. What happened to you? Are you ok?
Hey BB!
Super my man!
You did it again! Very pretty! Looks like she has some class!
Thanks!
BadBear2000
10-15-09, 13:46
Thelmas Gone, you may have just become one of my favorite mongers. Before Jackson throws us off the board, lets get back to photos of hotties and like you said talking pussy
Can't get a woman he doesnt pay... hey i resemble that remark lol.
Come on guys lets talk pussy, show pics of pussy, and provide info. so the lurkers can make their gameplans for their trips.
Thanks for all the input everyone has put in this board!
I don't have to pay for pussy, a-hole. I have to change my phone number regularly for the Haitianas and go to great lengths to keep beautiful but crazy dominicans off my dick. Sounds like I insulted you real good tho. Truth hurts... Ha! Score.Not at all son. I was actually embarrassed for you; but you'll learn things like manners and debate as you get older. Er, and which way up to hold a camera. But fair play on the videos, keep em coming - they're almost as entertaining as the tall tales that you tell along with them.
Kudos to Thelmas Gone :)
BadBear2000
10-16-09, 14:19
Ayyyypapi is right, you really don't have to buy nookie all the time. When you live here like he and I do, the problem is not getting or keeping them. The problem is getting rid of them when you want to. Of course in my situation, I kinda got addicted to wife #5 and really hated to see her go to the DR to school. But guess what, she is coming back today and I have some catching up to do. The two babes that are hanging out with Ayyyypapi are her cousins and let me tell you they are hot as firecrackers and they are hanging on him like bees on honey. When they get in the pool at night and you watch, you can't keep from getting a hard on. Sorry Ayyyypapi but if a man doesn't look at their asses, he has to be gay, which I am not. I have been watching these two babes for the past 3 months when they visit #5 and I always thought if #5 was gone and I had the opportunity, I would jump on both of them and just hope that #5 wouldn't cut my dick off. Guys, anything can happen in Haiti. You can have a quickie, you can have a regular, or you may even find a wife. All I can say is you come to Haiti, we will help you get what you want.
Papio, you were one of the guys I wanted to see when I opened up the house. What happened to you? Are you ok?
Hi BB2k!
Thanks for the attention. I thought you were so busy taking care of our "friends" that you did not notice my silence.
I thought it would be possible for me to come down during the beginning of August, but it did not work out. Instead I have been so busy that I don't even have time to be a regular on the board anymore. I am still looking at the possibility of coming before the end of the year. I will get in touch with you before then.
BTW, good job! I enjoy the reports, the pics, and the videos. Keep up the good work!
Peace!!!
BadBear2000
10-19-09, 15:58
I would love to have you here for the holidays.
Hi BB2k!
Thanks for the attention. I thought you were so busy taking care of our "friends" that you did not notice my silence.
I thought it would be possible for me to come down during the beginning of August, but it did not work out. Instead I have been so busy that I don't even have time to be a regular on the board anymore. I am still looking at the possibility of coming before the end of the year. I will get in touch with you before then.
BTW, good job! I enjoy the reports, the pics, and the videos. Keep up the good work!
Peace!!!
Aaaypapi I love the youtube videos. I really miss haiti now. Those pool parties were absolutely the best. Wall to wall. Thanks for the post. Also thankyou fellow citizens of the world for quelling the small mindness that started to ruin this board for a min. Lets all stay on task. One goal and one goal only useful information.
Badbear2000
Is one of my favorites here!
I can probably come and visit in Haiti a year!
But I can no Spanish.
Sanchi Panki
10-19-09, 23:02
I would love to have you here for the holidays.I'm sorry bear, I don't no if it's the rite section, I just read a little on the forum because you no is so full and long and I don't have great time to waste my eyes on the monitor however if I understand well you live in a Villa down there and you manage to help (host? ) some of our goodfellas coming to Haiti.
It's already a good time I'm planning a trip to Haiti can you explain me (or plz gimme a link to the report/discussion page on the forum where I can read info on that) pvt or here how exactly works?
Tnanks in advantage
BadBear2000
10-20-09, 11:56
I am going to pick a Monger of the year and probably give them a free day at the Haiti House. Just to let you know you are on time at this time. Everybody locates me at the airport because of the cap and you gave me some good ideas that I have used.
Aaaypapi I love the youtube videos. I really miss haiti now. Those pool parties were absolutely the best. Wall to wall. Thanks for the post. Also thankyou fellow citizens of the world for quelling the small mindness that started to ruin this board for a min. Lets all stay on task. One goal and one goal only useful information.
I am going to pick a Monger of the year and probably give them a free day at the Haiti House. Just to let you know you are on time at this time. Everybody locates me at the airport because of the cap and you gave me some good ideas that I have used.Come on lucky seven, daddy needs to meet some new haitians girlfriends while relaxing at the Haiti House!
BadBear2000
10-28-09, 14:08
DEFINITELY get a free day. I plan on being here for many years and plan on picking one every year. So far, everyone that has come to the Haiti House have been excellent visitors. I was told I was going to get a bunch of crazy MFs but that has not been the case. Just to let you guys know that have been here, I am looking forward to your return trips.
I hope I didn't blow monger of the year by landing in the hospital. But in any competition no allowance is made for injury. Winners are winners and loosers are loosers. But it was a pits stop and I'll be back on track this weekend. Must redouble efforts to win the prize. Converting babes to and from lesbo-land is probably a skill which will earn points. I can only rely on BB's judgment.
So I can focus my zozo on the tasks ahead; will monger of the year PROBABLY get a free day, or DEFINITELY get a free day?
Derekj6926
11-01-09, 13:55
Badbear,
Have spent a considerable amount of time in Haiti and the women truly are amazing, the one I was with was beyond compare, my personal preference is Black because once you go Black you ain't goin back as they say! I would like to join the competition the next time I am in Haiti which will probably be in January or late December. What do you charge for a weekend at the Haiti House from time of pick to delivery back to the airport? MY next trip is already booked in December to Tijuana but shortly therafter I would like to join you. I Love Haiti and the Haitian women, I have not read of of the thread to see if your info is listed or not?
I am going to pick a Monger of the year and probably give them a free day at the Haiti House. Just to let you know you are on time at this time. Everybody locates me at the airport because of the cap and you gave me some good ideas that I have used.===============================================
Hi Derekj6926,
With all due respect, why did you post this in the PHOTO GALLERY?
Anyway, moving one report is a 4 step procedure, so it would be easier for me if you would simply re-post this in one of the discussion threads.
In the future, please consider that the PHOTO GALLERY is for posting PHOTOS, not travel questions, travel advice, etc.
On behalf of your fellow Forum Members, Thank You!
Jackson
Marc Anthony
11-03-09, 17:34
That was a magnificent job. I'd like to print and frame a high res version of that last photo - that belongs in the permanent collection of the ISG galleries.
'Les be friends' and the booty clip are Youtube art too. I wish those were in HD.
I planned to go anyway but your work makes it much more urgent. I hope BB comes up with a compromise to allow that sort of thing to continue. Just during the day? You provide your own food of course. Scheduled in advance, only one party at a time.... We cannot allow such a beautiful thing to end.
Rather than losing the honor of M.O.Y. you should be given it for this.
In the dance video the thing that strikes me is that sensuous, gentle, fluid grace. I love that and you just wouldn't find it in spontaneous, playful dancing with girls that age in the US. Just amazing.
Fantastic pictures, Ayyyypapi. I have decided to use this photo:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=124495
as the wallpaper on my laptop. I hope you don't mind!
Member #2041
11-04-09, 02:48
Ezinho, careful that your keyboard doesn't get all sticky.
BadBear2000
11-04-09, 03:59
I have no problem with girls during the day coming as a matter of fact what do you think the pool party on Sunday is for. But for everyone's security only two in a room at night. It is my job to insure the security of my guests. I feel there is no way to obtain security with that many girls in a room at night. It kinda rattles you when you go down to the kitchen at midnight to get water and there is 6 girls helping themselves to the very expensive food. Food in Haiti is not cheap. But when a couple of the group was hauling out food in bags,it got out of hand. One loaded her bag up with 24 of Ayyyypapi's sportshake and more from the kitchen. I do not see how one guy can keep his eye on 3 to 7 girls when he is busy popping one of them
That was a magnificent job. I'd like to print and frame a high res version of that last photo - that belongs in the permanent collection of the ISG galleries.
'Les be friends' and the booty clip are Youtube art too. I wish those were in HD.
I planned to go anyway but your work makes it much more urgent. I hope BB comes up with a compromise to allow that sort of thing to continue. Just during the day? You provide your own food of course. Scheduled in advance, only one party at a time.... We cannot allow such a beautiful thing to end.
Rather than losing the honor of M.O.Y. you should be given it for this.
In the dance video the thing that strikes me is that sensuous, gentle, fluid grace. I love that and you just wouldn't find it in spontaneous, playful dancing with girls that age in the US. Just amazing.
Marc Anthony
11-04-09, 16:29
I have no problem with girls during the day coming as a matter of fact what do you think the pool party on Sunday is for. But for everyone's security only two in a room at night. It is my job to insure the security of my guests. I feel there is no way to obtain security with that many girls in a room at night. It kinda rattles you when you go down to the kitchen at midnight to get water and there is 6 girls helping themselves to the very expensive food. Food in Haiti is not cheap. But when a couple of the group was hauling out food in bags,it got out of hand. One loaded her bag up with 24 of Ayyyypapi's sportshake and more from the kitchen. I do not see how one guy can keep his eye on 3 to 7 girls when he is busy popping one of them
That makes sense. My favorites are Ayyypapi's afternoon scenes. I can certainly understand the reality was getting out of control at night. Curled up cute as puppies 3 or 4 to a bed napping though they are adorable.
Member #3435
11-04-09, 16:56
In the dance video the thing that strikes me is that sensuous, gentle, fluid grace. I love that and you just wouldn't find it in spontaneous, playful dancing with girls that age in the US. Just amazing.
Agreed that the girls danced nicely but I think it was more that that is a beautiful song. I've never heard any Haitian music before but I know Latin-Caribbean music quite well and I can tell a nice tune when I hear it and that is a very nice tune.
You could also see it in the way the grils reacted when it first started to play. Obviously, a big hit, and desevedly so, in Haiti.
Nice job Papi
BadBear2000
11-04-09, 23:35
Marc Anthony, if you can get around to coming to Haiti you may just find your Cleopatria
That makes sense. My favorites are Ayyypapi's afternoon scenes. I can certainly understand the reality was getting out of control at night. Curled up cute as puppies 3 or 4 to a bed napping though they are adorable.
BadBear2000
11-05-09, 00:04
haitihouse.com is back up and running. We will start to post videos and pics. We will probably start charging guys to join our website just to keep the crap hunters off of it. We want to promote Haiti for more reasons than sex. I would love to have so many guys here there would be no place at the Haiti House and I would have to make arrangements at the local hotels. I love this country and the people that live here. When you come, I am sure you will fall in love with this country and return with friends. I am on a mission and that mission is to bring the well deserved tourism back to Haiti. I am not a money monger and I want all of you to know that if you come I will make every effort for you to return. God bless Haiti and its wonderful people
Marc Anthony
11-06-09, 01:58
I wouldn't charge for the website; just keep the crap off it and call the house "Petionville Place" cause of the drama and sex. "Haiti House" can be searched too easy by hotel hunters etc.
That's true.
If you want it to be a resource but low profile, call it Badbearshouse.com or something that has nothing at all to do with Haiti. If you put up video or stills on another site and link to them don't use any haiti related words in titles or captions. Do promotions and post photos and videos through forums like this not the website. Whether keeping the physical address on the site as it is now is a good idea is up to Badbear's sense of security. I doubt it serves any useful purpose since there is no expected 'drop in' traffic and anybody who needs the information can be given it via email or pm or phone.
You could use the site to post videos and photos of everything but girls because the audience on these forums gets annoyed by too much general travel stuff - yet many of the true customers will be into a bit of adventure travel and exploration and would really want a reliable source of current info/photos/videos about everything Haitian. It would help the website to be generally Haiti oriented rather than raising red flags to civilians who stumble unto it.
You could turn it into a paid password site but you don't want to be in the porn biz, that has all kinds of headaches - of course you check ids anyway but you don't want to have to keep 2257 records on every girl who might appear in something.
Bad Bear has drawn a line in the sand and our friendship has ended. Now this is just a hotel for me.
I have posted all the pics and vids in order to help him but no more pics and vids.
I paid him 12K up front for rent but now he has threatened me physically and is seeking more $$$ for incidentals cause for a few months I had more than 2 girls hanging out.
I have to hang here and "Bear" it till May unless something "Bad" happens to me.
But you come here you will have a good time cause you will count a lot more than me.
Don't PM me. Out of the loop.
Remember:
"No favors go unpunished"
"If you assume you have friends, then assume you will be f_k'd"
.... AyyyyPapi 2009Say it ain't so! Can't you guys play nice? I'm seriously thinking of coming in January and I wouldn't like to step into the middle of a feud. Everything I've seen from you guys so far has been FANTASTIC by the way. I really appreciate your pictures and videos.
Thank you.
BadBear2000
11-08-09, 01:13
The last thing that I want to have is a bitter, tit for tat argument on this board which would only put everyone off, including Jackson.
A lot of things have gone on but I won't go into detail here since it is not the right place. However, should you wish to know all the facts and if you are a senior member, please send me your e-mail and I will give you a full briefing.
I can only wish the best of luck to Ayyyypapi in whatever he might be doing but I am sure that, wherever he winds up, there will be plenty of nookie around.
And for all you mongers that are planning to come to the Haiti House, it will be up and running for many years to come. Happy Mongering
I know you guys both have your differences but you should not talk down the Haiti House nor BB just because you guys have decided to go your separate ways. I have been to the Haiti House as a guest and enjoyed myself a great deal. I too walked the streets at night not because BB would not take me but because I wanted to experience what it was like. I found the Haitian people just as friendly and curious at night as I did during the day. There were mosquitoes but not as bad as you describe in your thread Ayyyypapi. However, I did observe that the two of you have different styles on mongering but that is not a bad thing. I think you are a more is better type of guy while BB is fine with just a few girls around the house. I did find that from my observations all the girls eat like hostages and could empty a fridge in a matter of hours if left unchecked. In conclusion, I think you both have a wonderful situation there at the Haiti House and should work on mending your differences. Either way I plan to make another weekend trip to the Haiti House during the December/January time frame.
Ayyyypapi,
Thank you for your post. I had all but made up my mind to book a stay at Haiti House for early next year, but now I am having second thoughts. I'll have to mull it over. Some of your complaints seem reasonable, while others seem picky. To wit:
You will need to depend on the Bear and his demeanor for your every move, and shadow him, often to his job, unless you want to venture into the street alone like one horny guy did on a Saturday night when the Bear needed to hibernate.
I had assumed that I would be going out into the street by myself. Do you mean people are afraid to venture out unless accompanied? Then they should stay home.
If you like discos or bars, forget it.
Not clear what you mean. Are you saying that discos and bars are dangerous and should be avoided? Or that it's dangerous to go there by yourself. (A moot point for me, since I don't like them.)
. No car? Good luck picking up girls.
This definitely puts a new light on things.
Lights out 11pm and no loud music.
This seems reasonable if Bad Bear has a job and has to get up in the morning and go to work. But this is the first I've heard of his having a job. I thought Haiti House WAS his job. I guess I was naive.
If your girl eats more than a crouton... I'ts on you, dude.
This seems reasonable to me. Wouldn't it be the same anywhere else? Do you know anyplace that lets chicas eat for free?
No screens on the windows . .
Now this is absolutely unacceptable, and irresponsible as well. A real health hazard.
.One guy brought "just in case" malaria pills. I guess you would have to call him "smart".
I ALWAYS bring malaria pills with me whenever I travel someplace where malaria is endemic. I not only bring them, I take them as well. Only a fool wouldn't. I always check the CDC website before I travel to a new country.
I came down with myocarditis and who knows why... (I really don't know!) >>> Hospital. My visiting dominican gf came down with salmonella >>> Hospital. So don't take possibility of wild diseases lightly.
Believe me, I don't. But who knows why you and your gf came down with these illnesses. Myocarditis is usually caused by a virus and may be indicative of a compromised immune system. Salmonella may be caused by spoiled food, but it doesn't seem exactly fair to blame this on Haiti House without any solid evidence.
On balance, it doesn't look good, especially considering the unscreened windows. I think I would stay at HH only if screens were put in, and only if BB agreed to a proviso that I could move out after the first night if I didn't like it, and not owe any more money.
Question for anybody: are there any brothels in Haiti? That would solve the "nookie" problem.
Finally, I know I shouldn't be posting this in the Photo Gallery, but WTF, this is where the debate has been going on. My apologies.
Lorenzo
Ayyyypapi,
1) Do you mean people are afraid to venture out unless accompanied? Then they should stay home.
2) Are you saying that discos and bars are dangerous and should be avoided? Or that it's dangerous to go there by yourself. (A moot point for me, since I don't like them.)
3) This seems reasonable to me. Wouldn't it be the same anywhere else? Do you know anyplace that lets chicas eat for free?
4) are there any brothels in Haiti? That would solve the "nookie" problem.
Lorenzo1) There is nothing to venture out TO: I walked for a mild each way in dayliht and all there was was the market one way and nothing the other. At night there is even less. and no street lights so you can't even check out the scene. And if you're not careful, thereare wide open holes in the street 6 feet deep no shit. You need to know where they are to avoid them for sure. In order to score you need to travel a few miles and scout around in a car. I have no care so I thought thought that was for granted that BB would take me around sometimes until he told me I needed to pay for his tires.
2) There are a few discos but they suck, Not dangerous. No bars anywhere close enough to walk to.
3) Even if buy food to feed your girls at Haiti House, BB's cooks will eat it and cook it up for BB. Then your girl(s) may still be accused of stealing food. What a f_k'n joke.
4) No brothels. We went to one at a beach and were surrounded by at least 10 guys waiting for us to fuck one or 2 girls in a tent.
Cunning Linguist
11-09-09, 11:36
Negatives: You will need to depend on the Bear and his demeanor for your every move, and shadow him, often to his job, unless you want to venture into the street alone like one horny guy did on a Saturday night when the Bear needed to hibernate.
In my experience, I was very well looked after. Yes, I sometimes shadowed him on his job but then again I wanted to since I wanted to get a glimpse of aspects of Haiti you never see. I got to see the infamous Cité Soleil and lived to tell the tale. I got to see some of the sugar plantations (and former plantations) as a result and I was able to talk to some interesting people (in Creole, of course).
One time, when Big Bear was definitely indisposed (his foot was really hurting him), he had a friend take me out to troll. I don't know the circumstances of the other guy that ventured out but, in my case, I was never out of luck. It is safe there but you should always be very careful in any big city at night.
If you like discos or bars, forget it. No car? Good luck picking up girls. Lights out 11pm and no loud music.
I am sure they exist but there are no bar like the kind you find in Sosúa or what you come across in the Philippines, to be sure. However, it is a different experience at Haiti House.
I see no need to have music blaring out of my room at night anyway and there were never curfews as far as I was concerned. Lights were on as late as 1 o'clock and could have been longer had I wanted to do so.
If your girl eats more than a crouton... I'ts on you, dude.
That is logical. When I was there, the girls really chowed down, especially Ayyyypapi's chicks if I may say so. There was food in the kitchen and when you have two or three of Ayyyypapi's girls plus my one, the food supplies ran down quickly. However, I think a lot of that could have been controlled.
If a girl stays overnight expect a fight unless agree to Sosua price (around 50 bucks; BB says that's not so. But it's so), or you are here chronically like I was and treat girlfriends like real girlfriends.
About 2,000 gourdes was the usual price but my problem was that some mongers would pay way over that which, in turn, made it unnecessarily more expensive for me. Hopefully, that is or will be solved.
These nearly invisible lightning fast mosquitos are f_k'n NASTY. I bought insect repellant clothes which they laugh at. No screens on the windows . I came down with myocarditis and who knows why... (I really don't know!) >>> Hospital. My visiting dominican gf came down with salmonella >>> Hospital. So don't take possibility of wild diseases lightly.One guy brought "just in case" malaria pills. I guess you would have to call him "smart".
I never had any problems with mosquitos nor did I ever remember any problem. Of course, I was only there for about 10 days. The screens would not be a bad idea in any case. In any case, you have to take the same precautions that you have to take for any visit to a tropical Third World country.
I am sorry that this feud has come out in the open. I saw it simmering in August but hoped that logic would prevail. I like Big Bear and Ayyyypapi a lot but they are so different in every conceivable way that it is hardly surprising it came to this. However, I can vouch for Big Bear and Haiti House. The proof is that I am going back there this summer instead of going to Sosúa. That speaks volumes.
Now a picture since this is the photo thread.
BadBear2000
11-09-09, 12:18
I hope the following will clear up some questions. Don't you guys find it strange that these issues have not come up in the last four months. That several guys have come and not one has any complaints
Ayyyypapi,
Thank you for your post. I had all but made up my mind to book a stay at Haiti House for early next year, but now I am having second thoughts. I'll have to mull it over. Some of your complaints seem reasonable, while others seem picky. To wit:
I had assumed that I would be going out into the street by myself. Do you mean people are afraid to venture out unless accompanied? Then they should stay home.
BB: You can walk out of the streets anytime you choose. Many of our visitors have done that. Not one person has ask to go out and get refused. If I cannot, I have a very nice girl that will take them out.
Not clear what you mean. Are you saying that discos and bars are dangerous and should be avoided? Or that it's dangerous to go there by yourself. (A moot point for me, since I don't like them.)
BB: Some guys did not come for the clubs. Ayyyypapi has been to the clubs but preferred picking up the street girls. I never remember a time that he asked to go trolling that I refused. There again if I could not, I got my old girl friend who can speak English better than most Americans. I just had a visitor that is leaving today. He went clubbing several nights and loved it. I am sure he will post a report after seeing this
This definitely puts a new light on things.
This seems reasonable if Bad Bear has a job and has to get up in the morning and go to work. But this is the first I've heard of his having a job. I thought Haiti House WAS his job. I guess I was naive.
BB: We are in a very nice neighborhood.
There are noise rules here. After 9 at night there is no loud music. I never put a lights out time. I could care less because I can basically sleep thru anything
This seems reasonable to me. Wouldn't it be the same anywhere else? Do you know anyplace that lets chicas eat for free?
Now this is absolutely unacceptable, and irresponsible as well. A real health hazard.
BB: I have had nobody complain about mosquitos accept Ayyyypapi. The rooms all have AC and ceiling fans. The bathrooms have open windows for obvious reasons. I advise all visitors to keep the bathroom doors closed to keep the room cool. You cannot run an AC, a ceiling fan, two monster fans, and keep the bathroom door open and the windows open at the same time without getting mosquitos.
I ALWAYS bring malaria pills with me whenever I travel someplace where malaria is endemic. I not only bring them, I take them as well. Only a fool wouldn't. I always check the CDC website before I travel to a new country.
Believe me, I don't. But who knows why you and your gf came down with these illnesses. Myocarditis is usually caused by a virus and may be indicative of a compromised immune system. Salmonella may be caused by spoiled food, but it doesn't seem exactly fair to blame this on Haiti House without any solid evidence.
BB: If you take food from the refrigerator and take it to your room and leave it out for several hours and continue eating it all day, you are going to get sick. But Ayyyypapi was in the hospital for a heart problem. I have never heard of food giving you heart problems but then I am not a doctor
On balance, it doesn't look good, especially considering the unscreened windows. I think I would stay at HH only if screens were put in, and only if BB agreed to a proviso that I could move out after the first night if I didn't like it, and not owe any more money.
Question for anybody: are there any brothels in Haiti? That would solve the "nookie" problem.
BB: There are Dominican Brothels but nookie is everywhere. Why would you want to spend money in the brothels
Finally, I know I shouldn't be posting this in the Photo Gallery, but WTF, this is where the debate has been going on. My apologies.
Lorenzo
I'm one of those who have been thinking about visiting, but it sounds like the guys at haitihouse have spoiled and ruined the girls. Haiti is the poorest country in the western hemisphere. The prices should be somewhere between Africa and Ecuador ($5 to 10 ST, 15-20 LT max!). In Cuba I still pay $20 LT and I have a friend who just got back from Thailand and he was paying as little as $15 LT. My question is this: if i come to Haitihouse will it be possible and acceptable to offer girls (who live in abject poverty) lets say 500 gourdes for all nite; or has the word got around that the rich americans at haitihouse pay US prices?
Sanchi Panki
11-09-09, 18:54
I'm one of those who have been thinking about visiting, but it sounds like the guys at haitihouse have spoiled and ruined the girls. Haiti is the poorest country in the western hemisphere. The prices should be somewhere between Africa and Ecuador ($5 to 10 ST, 15-20 LT max!). In Cuba I still pay $20 LT and I have a friend who just got back from Thailand and he was paying as little as $15 LT. My question is this: if i come to Haitihouse will it be possible and acceptable to offer girls (who live in abject poverty) lets say 500 gourdes for all nite; or has the word got around that the rich americans at haitihouse pay US prices?If that is your concern go to Ivory Coast (Africa) now thank to the cocoa and coffee price falling down you can have sex for 50 €urocents.
BadBear2000
11-09-09, 22:13
This was one of my many complaints. And yes you can get the girls for 500 gourdes but an all nighter will cost 1000 which is about $25. I never have and never will spend more.
I'm one of those who have been thinking about visiting, but it sounds like the guys at haitihouse have spoiled and ruined the girls. Haiti is the poorest country in the western hemisphere. The prices should be somewhere between Africa and Ecuador ($5 to 10 ST, 15-20 LT max!). In Cuba I still pay $20 LT and I have a friend who just got back from Thailand and he was paying as little as $15 LT. My question is this: if i come to Haitihouse will it be possible and acceptable to offer girls (who live in abject poverty) lets say 500 gourdes for all nite; or has the word got around that the rich americans at haitihouse pay US prices?
BadBear2000
11-09-09, 22:17
Isn't it strange how some guys pick up a street walker along with 3 or 4 others and call them his girl friend. Another problem. Just because you screw a street walker one night does not give you the right to say off limits for her because she is my girl friend along with the other 5 or 6 I picked up last night.
And the proof is that I am now in Sosua and not Haiti House, leaving 12K behind. And you're a linguist working on a Creole language book. That's why you have to come back; you already paid a girl and are collaborating. And that pic is of my girlfriends; cheap "shot"
BadBear2000
11-09-09, 22:23
My girl friend is setting here beside me now. Even though Ayyyypapi tried to buy her away, she is still with me. I want waste every ones time on the post with this one.
And yes, I was getting financially tested paying all the expenses that Ayyyypapi and his babes were throwing on me. But guess what. I survived and intend on being here along time
Of course I tried to make the best of it and to try smoothng things over; I posted massive pics/ vids. Some of the best ever on ISG. In return he got physically violent. His girlfriend had to lock him inside the gate so he wouldn't attacj me. And when she said he shouldn't fight with me he threw her out of the house with her suitcase. Don't yuou find it strange that I hated fighting so much and feared for my safety that I abandined the 12K I paid up front? Why, if BB was the perfect host.
I was treated like shit cause BB didn't have enought money to pay rent for the house, and asked me for more. Of course not.
And now he's on his high horse as usual. So shut the f_k up.
If you want to go to Haiti House, I suggest you rent a car at least. And bring mosquito neting cause I doubt BB has enough money to pay for screens when he wants to charge me for spices and toilet paper.
Cunning Linguist
11-09-09, 22:48
And the proof is that I am now in Sosua and not Haiti House, leaving 12K behind. And you're a linguist working on a Creole language book. That's why you have to come back; you already paid a girl and are collaborating. And that pic is of my girlfriends; cheap "shot"
But I don't need to go to Haiti House. A hotel would suffice for my purposes but I choose to go to Haiti House. I meant no cheap shot regarding the girls. It is one of the only pictures I have on me at the moment. Please take no offense as none was intended.
Sosúa is a great place, having been there three times, and I wish you the very best there.
Peace
Isn't it strange how some guys pick up a street walker along with 3 or 4 others and call them his girl friend. Another complaint. Just because you screw a street walker one night do not give you the right to say off limits for her because she is my girl friend along with the other 5 or 6y I picked up last night. Tomorrow, I will post some new pics of these girl friends just to prove my point.Fantastic! More Pics are on the way!! Can't wait to get there; but I love incentive pics!
It's sad to see grownups who are supposed to be friends come to this. Here is how I feel about this whole situation.
1. Food: Food is expensive every where nowadays, especially in Haiti. It's reasonable if you bring several chicas to the HH that you contribute to the cost of the food they eat. I see in some pics that some guys have up to six chicas in their room at the same time. If BB has to feed all of them at his own expense, the HH will not survive for long. I can tell you those chicas can eat. I have been with some before. I am talking from experience.
2. Loud Music: We need to think about others and be careful in the way we behave so we don't become a nuisance to them. After 11:00 pm, if you still want to party, turn the volume down so others can enjoy a few hours of sleep and rest. Let's be sociable and let's not be a pain in the a**.
3. Money paid to the chicas: Haiti is a poor country. I agree that when we go there we can help the chicas who basically have nothing. If they are willing to give us a good time, let's be generous toward them also. At the same time, I could see this coming. Some of the amount of money mentioned here on some of the reports is just too much. Some of you guys are going to spoil the market for the rest of us, because the word is going to get around and all the chicas are going to be asking for big money since that's what some of us pay. That's what happened in many mongering places around the world (DR in particular). Please, keep it simple. Keep it low.
4. BB's availability: It's not reasonable to think that BB can be available every time we want to go ride around town and pick up chicas, or do other things. There is a limit to what he can do. After all, though he wants to be there for every one, it's impossible for him to run the house and be every where at the same time. For those of you who don't know, it takes time to plan the meals and buy the supply necessary to run a place like the HH in Haiti. For everything you need to take a trip to town and spend money (food, house supply, gas, wear and tear on the car, etc.). Let's be reasonable adults and behave like such.
Some of you may have heard about the Palace in Sosua in years passed. Some of the same problems we see here caused the Palace to go out of business. Let's not do this to the HH. Please! I'm begging you! Please, don't do it! Let's keep it alive! Thanks
Myore Vega
11-10-09, 03:11
Kw Kids, LMAO, without saying it, I was thinking the same thing and wondering, if '. The word got around that the rich american at haitihouse pay US prices? '.
Without having been there, I'm thinking that if there is an unspoken pricing matrix/index or expectation, from what I'm imagining are regulars haitihouse girls, then picking up random girls (or 'Trollin' as it has been phrased by another member in the PAP thread) would be the method of combatting the issue.
When I read your post I started picturing an organized union forming out there. ROTFLMAO. I'm going to shut up and just post some more Haitian girl pictures, since this is a photo thread.
I'm one of those who have been thinking about visiting, but it sounds like the guys at haitihouse have spoiled and ruined the girls. Haiti is the poorest country in the western hemisphere. The prices should be somewhere between Africa and Ecuador ($5 to 10 ST, 15-20 LT max!). In Cuba I still pay $20 LT and I have a friend who just got back from Thailand and he was paying as little as $15 LT. My question is this: if i come to Haitihouse will it be possible and acceptable to offer girls (who live in abject poverty) lets say 500 gourdes for all nite; or has the word got around that the rich americans at haitihouse pay US prices?
I still do not understand the pricing in Haiti. I talked with some haitian-american friends of mine who have said that when they visit Haiti they never pay more than $5 for all nite. And if they give presents like bikinis and/or food its free. BB states the going rate for "all-nite" as a 1000 gourdes and A-papi as 2000. Both seem high considering the extreme poverty and no tourism/mongering in haiti. We are not talking Argentina here(lol). I believe if every guy who goes to haiti kept the price at $5 a nite no one would go to bed alone or poor! As to the food-eating locust girls, I have found it wise to only invite the girls that you are playing with to eat/drink.Otherwise, you will get every friend, sister, and cousin who do not put out at your place eating/stealing/drinking your stuff for free and then leaving. My last 2 cents.
BadBear2000
11-10-09, 12:02
I think you may have hit the nail on the head. haitian-american. Everyone knows Haitians have a different price for everything than foreigners. Food, merchandise, and probably pussy. This is why I have my girl friend or house boy go buy many things for me. But unfortunately you cannot have them go buy pussy for you.
I still do not understand the pricing in Haiti. I talked with some haitian-american friends of mine who have said that when they visit Haiti they never pay more than $5 for all nite. And if they give presents like bikinis and/or food its free. BB states the going rate for "all-nite" as a 1000 gourdes and A-papi as 2000. Both seem high considering the extreme poverty and no tourism/mongering in haiti. We are not talking Argentina here(lol). I believe if every guy who goes to haiti kept the price at $5 a nite no one would go to bed alone or poor! As to the food-eating locust girls, I have found it wise to only invite the girls that you are playing with to eat/drink.Otherwise, you will get every friend, sister, and cousin who do not put out at your place eating/stealing/drinking your stuff for free and then leaving. My last 2 cents.
BadBear2000
11-10-09, 12:15
Thank you Papi0170. I was about to spout off something else but you are right. I should have never let this drama grow. I* will keep my opinions about this to myself. You are correct about one thing. These girls need help and a few extra dollars is not going to kill us. I do not want someone to get carried away and think 500 to 1000 gourdes is just tap-tap money. That is sex money. I have slept with girls for much less and even felt guilty about it. There are a few pros that are available for the house if someone is not interested in the chase. Yesterday I explained to them there will be some guys that will be more generous than others but if they complain it is bad for my business. If it is bad for my business, then they are not welcome anymore. They have to accept the bad with the good and they agreed. Some of these girls love the house enough they would stay for no money as long as they can eat and sleep here. The two girls that Ayyyypapi left here in his room are still here and I have no problem with it because as Ayyyypapi says he paid for it in advance to get a great price.. They love it here and I am sure many of you mongers will also.
It's sad to see grownups who are supposed to be friends come to this. Here is how I feel about this whole situation.
1. Food: Food is expensive every where nowadays, especially in Haiti. It's reasonable if you bring several chicas to the HH that you contribute to the cost of the food they eat. I see in some pics that some guys have up to six chicas in their room at the same time. If BB has to feed all of them at his own expense, the HH will not survive for long. I can tell you those chicas can eat. I have been with some before. I am talking from experience.
2. Loud Music: We need to think about others and be careful in the way we behave so we don't become a nuisance to them. After 11:00 pm, if you still want to party, turn the volume down so others can enjoy a few hours of sleep and rest. Let's be sociable and let's not be a pain in the a**.
3. Money paid to the chicas: Haiti is a poor country. I agree that when we go there we can help the chicas who basically have nothing. If they are willing to give us a good time, let's be generous toward them also. At the same time, I could see this coming. Some of the amount of money mentioned here on some of the reports is just too much. Some of you guys are going to spoil the market for the rest of us, because the word is going to get around and all the chicas are going to be asking for big money since that's what some of us pay. That's what happened in many mongering places around the world (DR in particular). Please, keep it simple. Keep it low.
4. BB's availability: It's not reasonable to think that BB can be available every time we want to go ride around town and pick up chicas, or do other things. There is a limit to what he can do. After all, though he wants to be there for every one, it's impossible for him to run the house and be every where at the same time. For those of you who don't know, it takes time to plan the meals and buy the supply necessary to run a place like the HH in Haiti. For everything you need to take a trip to town and spend money (food, house supply, gas, wear and tear on the car, etc.). Let's be reasonable adults and behave like such.
Some of you may have heard about the Palace in Sosua in years passed. Some of the same problems we see here caused the Palace to go out of business. Let's not do this to the HH. Please! I'm begging you! Please, don't do it! Let's keep it alive! Thanks
No more Haiti House Drama
As you guys Know from my report I spent 14 days at the haiti house. I hope that this post will clear a few things up.
1. I posted that the price at the time I was there was way too low from my own observation of the physical operation and way below the service recieved. Now, if you stay for example 200 days you will pay $130 x 200 days = $$ 26, 000. The price set at my stay was $100 a day and $10-$20 less than that for any stay over a week depending on the room you desired. AND originally before my stay it was less than those figures and included food per the original post. Gentlemen BB2K had just opened this place and ran the figures unknowingly of the X cost. The girls hanging out!
Personally I love having the women non. Pros especially hanging out and down for whatever, but I witness all of them daily eating more than a small countrys worth of food 2-3 times per day and drinking (beer, coke, bottled water, whiskey, tequila)more than a couple of whales plus going home with it for their families. Running thru towels and causing more work ex. Laundry (bikinis, towels, bed sheets), cooking and shopping, Power (all night parties (w music, tv's and additional lighting) and Water bills (pool maitenence almost daily (open and extremely jumping every night), damages to items (always something damaged during a party.
I see two great guys and good friends having a strained relationship over the original and no longer acceptible cost which dosent cut it due to the x factor. Money frustrations really affect mens psyche as we all know. Hell it will make you impotent.
2. The Haiti house is a tropical set up and IMHO doesn't require screens. I had 0 problems with mosquitos. The mansion is as nice or even better than my apts in Rio and better than the hotels in Thailand.
3. Found only one brothel the one Ayyypapi mentioned, and no stay away from it, but hell who needed it once youve met some girls their. They will bug the hell out of you anyway. You will have more gfe experiences IMHO here than quickies so its a matter of hitting the troll daily for new stuff while juggling the old stuff and don't invite the old stuff to the pool parties (way more fun working the new stuff).
4. Cost of Girls is what you make it. Nil is a great figure for them. They play in a pool are provided bikinis, food, drink, tv, music all in the mansion and you take them on the town if you want to. You might give them 30 gourdes for the taxi home your choice. Only a small percentage- The semi and pros asked for money, the others asked for nothing and were content just being there. So you don't have to pay the majority of them. I personally like to kick these types of girls a little something to keep them on my whimsical schedule. If the night yeilds nothing I call one I want to see and say catch a taxi here now! And I know they have enough to get there and pleasure me. So its really up to you.
5. Any time you can get out on the town take it and see haiti. I met the most goregous girl of my stay while heading out with badbear to get info on his job contracts. And she spoke english.
This seperation is unfortunate for all of us. We enjoyed the dynamic duos work and it was the finest.
Overall BB2k Haiti house is a grand place to have a ball (or give a couple) while saving money on extra rich chocolate nookie. And I will be back! Ayyypapi is one hell of a great guy to monger with hope you have the experience and I look forward to catching up with him soon.
Have fun Travel and be well.
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Manizales911
12-04-09, 06:50
Thinking about taking a trip to Haiti,I spend a lot of time in Colombia and go to the DR several times a year but it's time for a change,I like the idea of the shorter and less expensive flights and from visiting the DR I have a new found love for the dark meat. I have a few questions before deciding whether or not I should go.
1. If I decide to stay at the HH what else is there to do in Petionville other than mongering?
2. Am I correct in that TLN should cost me 1000 gourde or a little more?
3. I am afraid I know the answer to this one and it will probably be a deal breaker and keep me from going, do ALL the girls NOT shave because I think that is just freekin' disgusting.
Thanks.
Member #4351
12-04-09, 15:15
Bring a razor and some shaving cream and give them a little extra.
No more Haiti House Drama
Cost of Girls is what you make it. Nil is a great figure for them. They play in a pool are provided bikinis, food, drink, tv, music all in the mansion and you take them on the town if you want to. You might give them 30 gourdes for the taxi home your choice. Only a small percentage- The semi and pros asked for money, the others asked for nothing and were content just being there. So you don't have to pay the majority of them. I personally like to kick these types of girls a little something to keep them on my whimsical schedule. If the night yeilds nothing I call one I want to see and say catch a taxi here now! And I know they have enough to get there and pleasure me. So its really up to you.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.That is true. There is a misconception that I paid 2000 Gourdes for girls each night. Wrong. After the first night (I offered 1500 TLN; that was before the night; in the morning they ALL whined for more so I did give some 2000 G. But I am not the sole blanc who controls the prices in Haiti as some make me out to be). After that, all girls were more than happy to stay with me for free.
Street girls
If she's a street girl, you do need to pay for one night. After that if you really want to be with a street girl (once a street girl always a street girl)she will likely stay for free as long as you want even if you have no good qualities as long as she KNOWS there's some money somewhere some time.
Haiti as a short jaunt or lifetime love
The following comments pertain particularly to those who plan to stay than a week, or who plan to return often. If you only plan to stay a week, never to return, you are missing out. I suggest you book two weeks if BadBear can guarantee a driver for you all day and evening. If you can, return again and again because if you are there only one week, you may get a superficial experience. If you stay long time or come back regularly, Haiti is in your blood. I lived there 3 months. I remember all the good things and will be back; don't know when.
Non-pro girlfriends in Haiti vs. USA
Anyway, if you are somewhat appealing and the girl knows you will likely be back, a non-pro beauty will likely agree to stay for as long as you want, for nothing more than food and taptap, hoping you will fall in love and come back to them. You may indeed. But then she will expect you, and you should expect, to treat her as a real girlfriend, similar arrangment as you would have on the states, but (at least for me) the experience is much better. No pressure for marriage for one thing, and the girls are much less critical than in the states.
You will find girls in Haiti who are much more liberal than in the states e.g. I had 2 beauties, cousins, stay for free with me for a long time and they were not lesbos. They are still in the house and I gave them my room. THey were always and will always be free to do as they please. But when they were with me, they were true, and I was true to both. Yup that sounds weird but look at other countries where men have 5 wives than tell me... I could never hang with 2 girlfriends at the same time in the states. I would never ever again date a US or european girl if you paid me.
If she stays with you, unless she's a lesbo, she will be jealous of other girls. And who can vouch that this is entirely true? BadBear himself, who has been hanging with the same GIRLFRIEND for months, and they (I am honest) get jealous becasue they love each other (at least when I left they did).
In summary, these non-pro girls are NOT a commodity. They are just like any other non-pros in the world, except they are unspoiled (unless with me) and hotter than any babes on the planet. Just thinking about them makes me wanna take te next plane out, but I'm very attached to the cutie I have here in Sosua now. She is dominicanized and uses perfume...yuck, but I'm trying to get her back to her roots.
Got a girlfriend? Let's talk about gifts.
Girlfriends in the states whether they work or not will EXPECT misc. gifts like diamonds and watches; tey expect marriage eventually with a contract giving them half your stuff. Gifts in USA are obligatory. In Haiti, the girls ask for gifts like salon money or cheap phone cards but thats entirely up to you. I admit, I was overly generous with my girlfriends (by ISG standards). But I was and still am overly generous to EVERYONE I KNOW, as you all know by now.
While buying a weeks food for girlfriends and their families, giving them clothes and yes, cellphones, I wasn't thinking of the other members of ISG or other mongers at BadBear's house, so I was selfish. But if I never bought the girls food and clothing, I would be selfish. Depends on your perspective, doesn't it? So was I generous or selfish? I was just ME.
Sorry. Haiti's a big country; POP and Petionville are stocked to the brim with HOT babes looking for love and/or financial security. Street girls all over. So there's room for more than one crazy Blanc... unless I have full control over all the Haitian sex industry. Do I? C'mon. So YOU go to Haiti. The longer and more often the better. Find a real girlfriend and you'll be treated like The King. In the states thats a dream - in Haiti, a reality.
Here I am in Sosua for now. Hmmmm.... The girls sure are fine but nearly all are players; and what are we?
God Bless Haiti.
...3. I am afraid I know the answer to this one and it will probably be a deal breaker and keep me from going, do ALL the girls NOT shave because I think that is just freekin' disgusting....
C,mon, Manizales911, broaden your horizons. Why do you think they call it MUFF-diving?
BadBear2000
12-05-09, 00:42
1. If I decide to stay at the HH what else is there to do in Petionville other than mongering?
There is a very modern gym in town. You can walk around the neighborhood and enjoy the locals. I have access to rental motor cycle for the brave at heart. There are clubs and restaurants in town which is only 5 minutes by car or tap tap and can be walked to in 1/2 hour.
2. Am I correct in that TLN should cost me 1000 gourde or a little more?
Works for me.
3. I am afraid I know the answer to this one and it will probably be a deal breaker and keep me from going, do ALL the girls NOT shave because I think that is just freekin' disgusting.
Many of the girls shave their legs and underarms. My babe does and she has a neatly trimmed snatch. I like a little hair around that. I have a friend that carries a zoom zoom as he calls it so he can trim them himself.
Thinking about taking a trip to Haiti,I spend a lot of time in Colombia and go to the DR several times a year but it's time for a change,I like the idea of the shorter and less expensive flights and from visiting the DR I have a new found love for the dark meat. I have a few questions before deciding whether or not I should go.
1. If I decide to stay at the HH what else is there to do in Petionville other than mongering?
2. Am I correct in that TLN should cost me 1000 gourde or a little more?
3. I am afraid I know the answer to this one and it will probably be a deal breaker and keep me from going, do ALL the girls NOT shave because I think that is just freekin' disgusting.
Thanks.
[QUOTE=BadBear2000]1. If I decide to stay at the HH what else is there to do in Petionville other than mongering?
There is a very modern gym in town. You can walk around the neighborhood and enjoy the locals. I have access to rental motor cycle for the brave at heart. There are clubs and restaurants in town which is only 5 minutes by car or tap tap and can be walked to in 1/2 hour.
2. Am I correct in that TLN should cost me 1000 gourde or a little more?
Works for me.
These are some of the questions I have been asking so good to see the answers. The biggest question I still have and especially after Ayypapi's excellent post below is how would someone like myself who speaks no creole fare on a short trip. I mean if I'm there for a weekend to up to a week, am I pretty much limited to streetgirls only or can I get "regular" girls? And by regular I mean some girl we may spot on the "trolling" missions that Badbear talks about that may be just walking home or to the store and not out looking to get picked up by a customer. Thanks.
[QUOTE=BadBear2000]1. If I decide to stay at the HH what else is there to do in Petionville other than mongering?
There is a very modern gym in town. You can walk around the neighborhood and enjoy the locals. I have access to rental motor cycle for the brave at heart. There are clubs and restaurants in town which is only 5 minutes by car or tap tap and can be walked to in 1/2 hour.
2. Am I correct in that TLN should cost me 1000 gourde or a little more?
Works for me.
These are some of the questions I have been asking so good to see the answers. The biggest question I still have and especially after Ayypapi's excellent post below is how would someone like myself who speaks no creole fare on a short trip. I mean if I'm there for a weekend to up to a week, am I pretty much limited to streetgirls only or can I get "regular" girls? And by regular I mean some girl we may spot on the "trolling" missions that Badbear talks about that may be just walking home or to the store and not out looking to get picked up by a customer. Thanks.Regular girls will be no problem. It does not require a lot of verbal coercsion to move the girls to the bedroom. For ex. While visiting their one of the many skills myself and the other guest used for this was offer her and her friends drinks and bikinis once inside the gate(just show it to them), let her or them get dressed in your room (at the same time as you) head to the pool frolick to the music and head to the bedroom after. Thats a freebie for you. LOL. Bring your computer or use the bears if you want to make more conversation (google translate. Com) Also you'll possibly meet some or their friends who will poly ingles to some degree. Trust me you'll be fine. Just leave some for me.
Manizales911
12-05-09, 16:21
C,mon, Manizales911, broaden your horizons. Why do you think they call it MUFF-diving?I'm trying to be open minded about it but I just don't know if I can do it though. I love the chocolate girls but I have a hang up with the whole hairy pussy thing,that's why I haven't been to the Phillipines and at least some of those girls shave.
I'm trying to be open minded about it but I just don't know if I can do it though. I love the chocolate girls but I have a hang up with the whole hairy pussy thing,that's why I haven't been to the Phillipines and at least some of those girls shave.Do you shave yours?
Wicked Willie
12-06-09, 00:18
Tried going to it and I keep getting DNS errors. I am trying to start researching a trip for Jan/Feb and was needing all BB2K's great info.
WW
[QUOTE=Toronto]Regular girls will be no problem. It does not require a lot of verbal coercsion to move the girls to the bedroom. For ex. While visiting their one of the many skills myself and the other guest used for this was offer her and her friends drinks and bikinis once inside the gate(just show it to them), let her or them get dressed in your room (at the same time as you) head to the pool frolick to the music and head to the bedroom after. Thats a freebie for you. LOL. Bring your computer or use the bears if you want to make more conversation (google translate. Com) Also you'll possibly meet some or their friends who will poly ingles to some degree. Trust me you'll be fine. Just leave some for me.Do you know, bikinis are worth their weight in gold.
Manizales911
12-06-09, 16:52
Do you shave yours?Your first post and you're being a f--king dickhead, go troll somewhere else loser.
[QUOTE=Toronto]Regular girls will be no problem. It does not require a lot of verbal coercsion to move the girls to the bedroom. For ex. While visiting their one of the many skills myself and the other guest used for this was offer her and her friends drinks and bikinis once inside the gate(just show it to them), let her or them get dressed in your room (at the same time as you) head to the pool frolick to the music and head to the bedroom after. Thats a freebie for you. LOL. Bring your computer or use the bears if you want to make more conversation (google translate. Com) Also you'll possibly meet some or their friends who will poly ingles to some degree. Trust me you'll be fine. Just leave some for me.
Thanks for the answer and tips, also got a pm from someone as well. I'll be sure to write a report whereever I end up going to.
BadBear2000
12-07-09, 03:47
I assure you there is a girl in Haiti for every monger. Whether you prefer clean shaved or a bush. I myself like the legs and underarms shaved and the snatch trimmed. Believe me, if you cum here you will be cumming back many times. It is truly addictive
Your first post and you're being a f--king dickhead, go troll somewhere else loser.
Manizales911
12-07-09, 05:17
I assure you there is a girl in Haiti for every monger. Whether you prefer clean shaved or a bush. I myself like the legs and underarms shaved and the snatch trimmed. Believe me, if you cum here you will be cumming back many times. It is truly addictiveOK BB you and David33 have me convinced I'll be able to deal with my hair hang up,now the only thing I need to know about is the language barrier. Before I learned a decent amount of spanish I went to Colombia a few times and the DR a couple times and though I had a good time I didn't have NEARLY as much fun as I did once I could communicate with the girls a little. Now I am thinking of venturing to a place where I will be in the same spot I was in before,spending all day with a girl that I can't have a conversation with. I'm not sure I want to do that again so my question is do some of these girls speak any spanish or english? I'm not learning Creole, I need to continue my spanish studies because I spend most of my time in Colombia now.
El Minetero
12-07-09, 16:23
"I'm trying to be open minded about it but I just don't know if I can do it though. I love the chocolate girls but I have a hang up with the whole hairy pussy thing,that's why I haven't been to the Phillipines and at least some of those girls shave.
Do you shave yours?"
Some guys like hairy women and to be hairy themselves. Some guys don't like hair on women or themselves, doesn't have anything to do with wanting to fuck pre-pubescent girls.
I personally don't like the look of hair on women's bodies, and while I love to suck pussy, don't like hair in my mouth. I keep my own body hair clipped short.
To each their own.
El Minetero
"
To each their own.
El MineteroMy Dominican gf just started shaving it and I got sort of pissed off but it's sorta good. Better HAIRY cause the fragrance lingers. Why do you think EL SENOR made armpits and pussies hairy? Cause scent is sexy.
So if deodorant and perfume are turn ons to some of you, I respect that, although downright FuNkY to me. Mais vive la difference.
As long as you pretty boys they don't think that attraction for what nature intended, horny smelly babes, is "funky", we see I to I.
My soution? I f-K'n hide the soap. I tell them I'm allergic to soap deodorant and perfume and they can only wash with water. If they try to lather up before sex, I nip it in their bud.
Your solution? Jest shave it for 'them. How difficult was that? Think they're going to say no? Well if they live with their moms they will likely say no cause then their moms know they fuck around. But if they fuck around and everyone knows it they will be more likely to shave it. That said, easier to get a street girl to shave it for a gift of some perfume. Then you is SET buddy!
Manizales911
12-08-09, 18:15
My Dominican gf just started shaving it and I got sort of pissed off but it's sorta good. Better HAIRY cause the fragrance lingers. Why do you think EL SENOR made armpits and pussies hairy? Cause scent is sexy.
So if deodorant and perfume are turn ons to some of you, I respect that, although downright FuNkY to me. Mais vive la difference.
As long as you pretty boys they don't think that attraction for what nature intended, horny smelly babes, is "funky", we see I to I.
My soution? I f-K'n hide the soap. I tell them I'm allergic to soap deodorant and perfume and they can only wash with water. If they try to lather up before sex, I nip it in their bud.
Your solution? Jest shave it for 'them. How difficult was that? Think they're going to say no? Well if they live with their moms they will likely say no cause then their moms know they fuck around. But if they fuck around and everyone knows it they will be more likely to shave it. That said, easier to get a street girl to shave it for a gift of some perfume. Then you is SET buddy!I think I'll stick to places other than Haiti and the HH or CM or whatever it is called, thank you. You can call me a pretty boy all you want and I respect your preferences but most mongers I know don't want a smelly, untrimmed snatch, period. If I have to offer a gift (I always bring gifts for my girls) to a girl so that she will trim that f-king jungle down there and shave her pits I am in the wrong place especially seeing as I don't know the language and I would have to have BB or a driver telling a girl that if she wants to spend time with me she is going to have to shave her body hair, that is not getting off to a good start with a girl that's for sure. I guess I am spoiled by the fresh as a daisy smelling, clean shaven, bald as an egg pussy I get in Colombia, you could not get a girl in Colombia to go to bed with you without showering first. As Minitero said, "to each their own".
Thanks
BadBear2000
12-09-09, 04:36
You can tell right away with out getting the girl undressed to know if she is a nice trimmed girl by looking at her legs and under arms. Believe me I don't want a girl that has more hair than me anywhere but her head.
We are preparing pics, videos, and girl info. I guess I will add info as to whether they shave the legs, underarms, and honey pots.
I think I'll stick to places other than Haiti and the HH or CM or whatever it is called, thank you. You can call me a pretty boy all you want and I respect your preferences but most mongers I know don't want a smelly, untrimmed snatch, period. If I have to offer a gift (I always bring gifts for my girls) to a girl so that she will trim that f-king jungle down there and shave her pits I am in the wrong place especially seeing as I don't know the language and I would have to have BB or a driver telling a girl that if she wants to spend time with me she is going to have to shave her body hair, that is not getting off to a good start with a girl that's for sure. I guess I am spoiled by the fresh as a daisy smelling, clean shaven, bald as an egg pussy I get in Colombia, you could not get a girl in Colombia to go to bed with you without showering first. As Minitero said, "to each their own".
Thanks
Cunning Linguist
12-09-09, 12:23
Please do not encourage girls to shave down under! Not all guys want girls who are cleans-haven like in today's porno flicks! I think it is disgusting for girls to shave down there. Trimmed, maybe, but not shaved. Unfortunately, the pornoflick-brainwashed Western guys have essentially caused girls around the world to shave everywhere down there. In the DR, they are all spoiled in that way. Likewise in the Philippines. Only a few holdouts remain: Haiti and China are among them although in Thailand I had a few naturals (freelancers in Nana parking lot). The problem is, it is easy to get your jollies to shave the girl, but for those of us who have her afterwards are forced to put up with stubbles. What a shame we can't "unshave" the damage. It takes weeks for a girl to recover from her shaving down there.
Member #4351
12-09-09, 14:57
Completely in agreement. I think shaved girls´pussys look like a plucked chicken.
have to chuckle with the hair or hairless posts, reminds me of my first time with a colombiana. Never thought the reverse could be true but she asked me if she could shave me. This is like the second night I'm with her out of what turned out to be a year of on and off relationship (sic).
So I'm thinking here is a working girl wanting to take scissors and razor near the family jewels and one of my few remaining sources of entertainment. Visualizing the worst but realizing she was on my home turf and needed me to get her home etc I go for it. Long story short and not being a hairy guy to start with she gives me the treatment leaving an interesting design in the crotch area, and some of the best sex I ever have had following.
Moral of the story none actually, but I continue with the program and the cicas love it.
Manizales911
12-15-09, 17:59
have to chuckle with the hair or hairless posts, reminds me of my first time with a colombiana. Never thought the reverse could be true but she asked me if she could shave me. This is like the second night I'm with her out of what turned out to be a year of on and off relationship (sic).
So I'm thinking here is a working girl wanting to take scissors and razor near the family jewels and one of my few remaining sources of entertainment. Visualizing the worst but realizing she was on my home turf and needed me to get her home etc I go for it. Long story short and not being a hairy guy to start with she gives me the treatment leaving an interesting design in the crotch area, and some of the best sex I ever have had following.
Moral of the story none actually, but I continue with the program and the cicas love it.I always shave before going on a mongering mission. The girls appreciate it, I can imagine they don't like getting pubic hair in their mouth anymore than I do.
It also greatly reduces the possibility of crabs if both parties shave.
Lone Biker
12-16-09, 10:06
Please do not encourage girls to shave down under! Not all guys want girls who are cleans-haven like in today's porno flicks! I think it is disgusting for girls to shave down there. Trimmed, maybe, but not shaved. Unfortunately, the pornoflick-brainwashed Western guys have essentially caused girls around the world to shave everywhere down there. In the DR, they are all spoiled in that way. Likewise in the Philippines. Only a few holdouts remain: Haiti and China are among them although in Thailand I had a few naturals (freelancers in Nana parking lot). The problem is, it is easy to get your jollies to shave the girl, but for those of us who have her afterwards are forced to put up with stubbles. What a shame we can't "unshave" the damage. It takes weeks for a girl to recover from her shaving down there.Finally, proof that I'm not the only one who feels this way. Trimmed is okay, but there are few things I find more revolting than fully shaved girl-parts.
"I'm trying to be open minded about it but I just don't know if I can do it though. I love the chocolate girls but I have a hang up with the whole hairy pussy thing,that's why I haven't been to the Phillipines and at least some of those girls shave.
Do you shave yours?"
Some guys like hairy women and to be hairy themselves. Some guys don't like hair on women or themselves, doesn't have anything to do with wanting to fuck pre-pubescent girls.
I personally don't like the look of hair on women's bodies, and while I love to suck pussy, don't like hair in my mouth. I keep my own body hair clipped short.
To each their own.
El MineteroSorry guys I straddle the fence on this issue. I enjoy both shaved and unshaven at diffrent times. Me and my damn variety issues! Well I guess I will have an enddless supply of coco. If they pull down their panties and you dislike the how the soil is used (scorched earth or weeds city) send them down to my room. The pool room at CM if in haiti. I do appreciate. I do have one version that I find unattractive I'll send down to you guys though- its completely bald with an extremely large patch of hair just above the clit WTF?
I'm trying to be open minded about it but I just don't know if I can do it though. I love the chocolate girls but I have a hang up with the whole hairy pussy thing,that's why I haven't been to the Phillipines and at least some of those girls shave.
Ola Manizales!
I also shave pre-visit.
Better access for her, easier checking for hygiene/crabs, washing for me.
Shaved pussy?
Other than same hygiene issues, it depends on the pussy involved.
If the bush is soft or fine hair, I have no problem.
However, most Afro-Caribe bush that I have encountered
is like steel wool, like french-kissing a scouring pad!
So I'll take shaven, please.
Makes DATY so much easier/enjoyable.
Manizales911
12-21-09, 05:38
Ola Manizales!
I also shave pre-visit.
Better access for her, easier checking for hygiene/crabs, washing for me.
Shaved pussy?
Other than same hygiene issues, it depends on the pussy involved.
If the bush is soft or fine hair, I have no problem.
However, most Afro-Caribe bush that I have encountered
Is like steel wool, like french-kissing a scouring pad!
So I'll take shaven, please.
Makes DATY so much easier/enjoyable.Hey Yanqui,
At least someone agrees with my thinking.
BadBear2000
12-21-09, 06:35
There were way too many girls for the guys at this weeks pool party. The party started at noon and it appeared only a few girls were going to show up. At 7 PM when the party should have been over, we still had about 20 girls hanging around looking for fun. About 90 percent were just too hot to believe. I will be posting pics and videos both here and on our website this week.
Sanchi Panki
12-26-09, 02:51
I find spirit airlines is now offering really good rates to PAP from the USA.
BadBear2000
12-29-09, 19:58
You may want to go to our sight and see the girls that we have contact info. When you visit we will make every effort to get them to the house
BadBear2000
12-29-09, 20:18
I cannot wait until the first to issue this award. It is like the anti-lock braking system that Mercedes invented and said it was too important to keep for themselves. As you know, my girl helps manage a school for over 80 homeless children. This gentleman, who I would love to give his real name, brought 50 lbs of school supplies. When my girl saw them, I thought she was going explode with joy. The next morning her along with this guy took off on a tap tap. they had to ride 3 different tap taps and after that had to walk up a long hill. Him being the gentleman he was, he carried to 50 lb bag even though my girl kept insisting she should carry it some. Suffering from a heart problem the doctors cannot pinpoint, he fought off pain and made it. He had to sit after getting there. He talked of the building that was still under construction and how excited the children were. He had included a huge bag of lolly pops that my girl's cousin had spent several hours the night before tying them into bundles of three so each kid could have their share. I will be posting pics of the school with this special person. I will have to obviously black out his face which is really a shame because when a person does this kind of deed, I think he should get direct recognition. This guy you know as Blue vette.
Congratulations Blue Vette, you have a free night at the Creole Mansion Jacuzzi Room on your next trip regardless of the pricing at that time.
You may want to go to our sight and see the girls that we have contact info. When you visit we will make every effort to get them to the houseThank you, Bad Bear. I needed that!
Happy new year to all!
You may want to go to our sight and see the girls that we have contact info. When you visit we will make every effort to get them to the houseSir You have outdone yourself. My eyes teared up for haiti while reviewing the pics on your site.
Well done Mr. Bear!
Blue Vette
12-30-09, 22:59
Thank you so much for the recognition BB. I am thrilled and delighted and very much looking forward to the next trip! I enjoyed my stay at the Creole Mansion and my only regret is that I can not stay longer. Tell your girl that I enjoyed the opportunity to help those kids and will do so again on my next visit. It was very worthwhile!
Also, glad to see the new pics up on your website. So many of those pretty girls were there when I visited and I have several in mind that I hope to get to know better upon my return!
BadBear2000
12-31-09, 11:19
Fellow Mongers, this has been one hell of a year. It has been a learning experience and I have enjoyed all of you guys that visited the Creole Mansion, Haiti House, Co Co House, Chocolate Factory, or whatever else you want to call it. You mongers that did not come have no idea what you have missed. This is truly the new monger haven where the girls are loving, hot, and beautiful. I nor anyone else can capture this experience with a camera or words. You have to experience it for yourself
Creole Savior of the year is Alew217. He did more, came up with more helpful ideas, spent more time, HEY what can I say. Everybody from the visitors to the Mansion staff loved him.
H a p p y N e w Y e a r
Congradulation Alew and if you don't get your ass back down here in the summer, I am sending a hit squad to kidnap you
Monger of the year goes to Sawassdee. He must have been at the Mansion for no more than 10 minutes and had a hottie in the pool room. Not only was he getting laid almost the entire time he was here, the girls kept coming back after he left begging for more. When you get that much nookie, walk around with a smile on your face, and all the girls were wanting more, you got to be monger of the year.
H A P P Y N E W Y E A R
Congradulation Sawassdee Thanks for the cap that everybody looks for when they come to Haiti
The both of you have a free day on your next stay regardless of the pricing at that time. This does not include licking or dicking my girl Alew.(LOL)
Ah Hell what kind of host are you? Free room? What about the free pussy? Remember I would be getting something you have nevr had LOL
Had the best time there, meeting all the guys who went out to the clubs together and especially the hot sweet ladies. Like you once said "Getting them is not the problem, getting rid of them is".
Happy New Year to all the creole mansion.
Alew
Fellow Mongers, this has been one hell of a year. It has been a learning experience and I have enjoyed all of you guys that visited the Creole Mansion, Haiti House, Co Co House, Chocolate Factory, or whatever else you want to call it. You mongers that did not come have no idea what you have missed. This is truly the new monger haven where the girls are loving, hot, and beautiful. I nor anyone else can capture this experience with a camera or words. You have to experience it for yourself
Creole Savior of the year is Alew217. He did more, came up with more helpful ideas, spent more time, HEY what can I say. Everybody from the visitors to the Mansion staff loved him.
H a p p y N e w Y e a r
Congradulation Alew and if you don't get your ass back down here in the summer, I am sending a hit squad to kidnap you
Monger of the year goes to Sawassdee. He must have been at the Mansion for no more than 10 minutes and had a hottie in the pool room. Not only was he getting laid almost the entire time he was here, the girls kept coming back after he left begging for more. When you get that much nookie, walk around with a smile on your face, and all the girls were wanting more, you got to be monger of the year.
H A P P Y N E W Y E A R
Congradulation Sawassdee Thanks for the cap that everybody looks for when they come to Haiti
The both of you have a free day on your next stay regardless of the pricing at that time. This does not include licking or dicking my girl Alew.(LOL)
Monger of the year goes to Sawassdee. He must have been at the Mansion for no more than 10 minutes and had a hottie in the pool room. Not only was he getting laid almost the entire time he was here, the girls kept coming back after he left begging for more. When you get that much nookie, walk around with a smile on your face, and all the girls were wanting more, you got to be monger of the year.
H A P P Y N E W Y E A R
Congradulation Sawassdee Thanks for the cap that everybody looks for when they come to Haiti.(LOL)First I'd like to thank all the coco i ran thru at The Creole Mansion for being so agreeable (and fine), next to Spirit air for flying me there in an expediant manner so that they timed it right that i may get started with the hobby as soon as i hit the ground, oh yeah and Magnum condoms for selling so many non latex condoms in their jumbo size boxs, also Creole mansions pool room location for being so so convieniently located that the trip to the room was to short for the ladies to change their minds, and to the neighborhood store for keeping us completely stocked with "The Beer and the Whisky" that kept the ladies to elibreated to realize what was going on, let's see let's see, and yeah to Digicell which was up 24/7 that kept a constant supply of Pu--y calling at all hours, and yeah uh the The Creole Mansion's pool for hypnotizing those chicks into getting undresses immediately, uh lets see yeah the staff which reminded me twice a day to take a break and eat their delicious food for strength etc etc etc. lol...
Seriously, thanks Badbear for the additional free day(s) of partying with you guys. It was and will be a blast. See you real soon.
BadBear2000
01-02-10, 14:14
You need to keep in touch with Alew217. See when he is coming next time and try to be here when he is. This guy will keep you laughing until you bust a gut. He can tell you the same joke 20 times and you will laugh at them every time. My girl and I are preparing a short video based on one of his jokes that she just can't stop laughing about.
Another thing, get Alew217 to cook up some vittles for you. Damn its good. That is if I don't put my hands on them
Chocha Monger
02-05-10, 02:27
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35199895/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/
BadBear2000
02-05-10, 03:02
This is one sick MF. Thank goodness I love girls above the age of 18 and boys 150 years or older. You got it., If they live to be 150 years old you got to love them
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35199895/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35199895/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/
I say leave him there and give the Haitians 2 minutes alone with him. Haitians are REAL good with machetes. They can crack a coconut with one quick swipe. Three quick swipes will take care of his balls, then his dick... and THEN off with his fucking head. There should be no mercy for those who perpetuate crimes against children, especially when they are entrusted to their guardianship.
This is one sick MF.
He did plead not guilty and he hasn’t been convicted yet so he should get the benefit of the doubt. These stories are very common and even if he's not convicted allegations like these cast a wider net of doubt over the all volunteers, bona-fide or otherwise. In the end the disadvantaged gets screwed, one way or the other.
I say leave him there and give the Haitians 2 minutes alone with him. Haitians are REAL good with machetes. They can crack a coconut with one quick swipe. Three quick swipes will take care of his balls, then his dick... and THEN off with his fucking head. There should be no mercy for those who perpetuate crimes against children, especially when they are entrusted to their guardianship.
Can we at least wait until he is convicted before we start dismembering him? Remember: "presumed innocent until proven guilty."
Can we at least wait until he is convicted before we start dismembering him? Remember: "presumed innocent until proven guilty."
You're right Lorenzo. It's why I would never be a good cop. I would probably give him 10 seconds to run. 1...2.....3.....BOOM! The report would say he was trying to escape.
Seriously, one of the greatest virtues of a democratic society is the inalienable right to the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.
Now if he's found guilty, that's another story.....
You're right Lorenzo. It's why I would never be a good cop. I would probably give him 10 seconds to run. 1...2.....3.....BOOM! The report would say he was trying to escape.
Seriously, one of the greatest virtues of a democratic society is the inalienable right to the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.
Now if he's found guilty, that's another story.....
But he may never be found guilty because of the incredible difficulty of bringing young male witnesses from Haiti to testify. If the case is dismissed does that make him innocent? There is a huge difference between the concept of legal innocence, meaning that you are not a convict until you are a convict, and actual innocence, meaning that you were falsely accused.
El Minetero
02-05-10, 17:04
The government of Haiti, such as it is, could ask for his extradition back to their authority.
El Minetero
Marc Anthony
02-06-10, 00:32
can we at least wait until he is convicted before we start dismembering him? remember: "presumed innocent until proven guilty."
i fully appreciate the natural outrage at the story but keep in mind that it's exactly that hot button 'child sex abuse' label that lot's of people want to use against anyone who participates in forums like isg.
someone who is genuinely guilty of this deserves the full penalties - but the tendency of people to form lynch mobs on hearing the accusation is not a good thing. the radioactive quality of any accusation about exploiting children clearly is altering the coverage of the church group being held on **** charges.
BadBear2000
02-07-10, 01:10
marc, you are correct. all it takes is a few young boys or girls to get pissed off at someone to really screw their lives up. i say wait until we hear his side of the story. i have known people that have really gotten their lives destroyed by kids that think it is a game. even after proven innocent the stinch is still there and the people live a horrible life.i still like girls over 18 and boys over 150 years.
i fully appreciate the natural outrage at the story but keep in mind that it's exactly that hot button 'child sex abuse' label that lot's of people want to use against anyone who participates in forums like isg.
someone who is genuinely guilty of this deserves the full penalties - but the tendency of people to form lynch mobs on hearing the accusation is not a good thing. the radioactive quality of any accusation about exploiting children clearly is altering the coverage of the church group being held on **** charges.
Marc, you are correct. All it takes is a few young boys or girls to get pissed off at someone to really screw their lives up. I say wait until we hear his side of the story. I have known people that have really gotten their lives destroyed by kids that think it is a game. Even after proven innocent the stinch is still there and the people live a horrible life.I still like girls over 18 and boys over 150 years.Hey Badbear2000: Can you pm your website to me.
Thanks Galaxzy
BadBear2000
02-17-10, 03:25
you have to sign up and pay the yearly price to ISG. I tried to send but would not let me
Hey Badbear2000: Can you pm your website to me.
Thanks Galaxzy
BadBear2000
02-17-10, 16:46
This plead for help for Haiti could be for the whole world. I am sure there are many mongers out there that would like to invest money in a profit making venture or a non-profit type business. Read carefully and think about it more carefully.
Regardless of what all the news media and NGOs keep saying, the soil in Haiti is rich. It will grow anything that does not require a cold season. I worked for the sugar company for several years and we grew cane year after year with no fertilizer. When a company convinced the old GM to try chemical fertilizer on 100 acres of land, the yield did not improve enough to pay for the fertilizer.
I planted 144 Paulownia trees which is a fast growing tree from China in May which were only 4 or 5 inches tall. by the end of July they were almost 4 feet tall. By November they were over my head. I did not return for a year and they were gone. They had taken the trees and roots. The security guy that the old manager trusted so much told me fire had destroyed them. He obviously did not know enough about the tree to know they will not burn until they have been cut and allowed to dry for 30 days. If the grass around them burns, it will kill the tree but when you cut them down, they simply grow back faster than before.. This tree makes the best charcoal even though it is a furniture grade lumber. Haiti needs charcoal. The average Haitian cannot afford propane so forget that theory. I have access to 25, 000 acres of good farm land that could grow enough trees to furnish the country with charcoal and start reforrestation. I have had other land owners living in the USA that have contacted me and said if I can succeed with this plan they will turn their property over to me. As you can see there is an unlimited capacity here. This is my dream and the main reason I returned to Haiti.
Website for the tree
http://www.paulowniatrees.com/html/photos.html
Believe it or not. I could monger without that much effort. The trees would be planted 16 feet apart and food crops like beans, potatoes, cabbage, onions, peanuts, carrots, etc be planted between the trees. All these crops grow well in that area.
We would give jobs, help feed Haiti, perhaps one day feed the Caribbean, and even make you some money if you chose to be a profit business. I owe Haiti my life. If you need detailed info, just text me your email and I will explain.
Even if you are not the investor, I am sure you know someone that would be interested.
The food is getting to the people now but how long will the international community feed a country that is no trying to help itself.
Now, you may say the government would be a problem. After working for the now defunked sugar mill for several years, I know from experience if you give enough people jobs to provide for their family, the government will not interfer because they are afraid of the masses. By the time the government woke up and realized what was going on, it would be too late for them to get involved. I know the Haitian people and especially the people in the provinces.
Help me Help Haiti
A friend of mine has posted a FREE report from Haiti. Links to parts 1-3 are here;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ntbCXKNHiQ&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYZOLBlWhrs&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9MEz_lUYZ0&feature=channel
Ty.
A friend of mine has posted a FREE report from Haiti. Links to parts 1-3 are here;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ntbCXKNHiQ&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYZOLBlWhrs&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9MEz_lUYZ0&feature=channel
Ty.
Yes, I met that guy when I was in Haiti, and he was kind enough to let me copy all his photographs, some of which were very gruesome,but fascinating all the same.
Good news is that American Airlines is resuming direct flights from Florida to Haiti.As the trip by bus from Santo Domingo adds on about $300 if you include taxis, bus fares, 2 extra hotel nights in SD, and meals, this is very welcome news.
Round trip from Miami to Port au Prince is about $400 depending on exact days of travel.
[QUOTE=BadBear2000]This plead for help for Haiti could be for the whole world. I am sure there are many mongers out there that would like to invest money in a profit making venture or a non-profit type business. Read carefully and think about it more carefully. [QUOTE]Badbear - good to see a post from you. Thanks for the update. I am gonna look into this tree concept. I sent you an email. Not sure which you'll see first. But send me pix's of the house.
A friend of mine has posted a FREE report from Haiti. Links to parts 1-3 are here;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ntbCXKNHiQ&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYZOLBlWhrs&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9MEz_lUYZ0&feature=channel
Ty.Good to see honest on the ground report without all the media hype and marketing influence.
AA lets you fly into SDQ and out of PAP (or visa versa) for no extra charge.
Yes, I met that guy when I was in Haiti, and he was kind enough to let me copy all his photographs, some of which were very gruesome,but fascinating all the same.
Good news is that American Airlines is resuming direct flights from Florida to Haiti.As the trip by bus from Santo Domingo adds on about $300 if you include taxis, bus fares, 2 extra hotel nights in SD, and meals, this is very welcome news.
Round trip from Miami to Port au Prince is about $400 depending on exact days of travel.
AA lets you fly into SDQ and out of PAP (or visa versa) for no extra charge.
That is worth noting, as the fares to Santo Domingo are often quite cheap, although the Dominican taxes are high and the fare is usually based on the place you first fly to. Hence flying into Santo Domingo and leaving from Puerto Plata may be good value if you want to visit both places.
Yes, I met that guy when I was in Haiti, and he was kind enough to let me copy all his photographs, some of which were very gruesome,but fascinating all the same.
Good news is that American Airlines is resuming direct flights from Florida to Haiti.As the trip by bus from Santo Domingo adds on about $300 if you include taxis, bus fares, 2 extra hotel nights in SD, and meals, this is very welcome news.
Round trip from Miami to Port au Prince is about $400 depending on exact days of travel.Gruesome but fascinating?That's quite a spin on a human tradgedy(maybe gruesome and heart breaking).You have done alot of positive work regarding Haiti,but i could never promote gruesome photographs of people suffering.
Manizales911
02-18-10, 14:24
That is worth noting, as the fares to Santo Domingo are often quite cheap, although the Dominican taxes are high and the fare is usually based on the place you first fly to. Hence flying into Santo Domingo and leaving from Puerto Plata may be good value if you want to visit both places.Frannie: PAP, not POP
PAP is Port au Prince. Puerto Plata is POP
That is worth noting, as the fares to Santo Domingo are often quite cheap, although the Dominican taxes are high and the fare is usually based on the place you first fly to. Hence flying into Santo Domingo and leaving from Puerto Plata may be good value if you want to visit both places.
PAP is Port au Prince. Puerto Plata is POP
Yes, I know, but flying into Santo Domingo if you want to visit Puerto Plata is something I have done a few times, because the cheaper fare to SDQ allowed a night in Santo Domingo for basically no extra cost, and because the bus from Santo Domingo to Puerto Plata is only a few dollars.
Flying into Santo Domingo so as to get to Haiti was the only possibility after the earthquake, but doesn't really represent very good value now that you can fly direct to PAP, as you would still have probably have to 1) get a taxi to SDQ, 2) spend a night in a SDQ hotel, 3) pay $60 for bus to PAP, 4) pay both Dominican and Haitian entry taxes, 5) spend the entire day traveling to Haiti as the bus is 7 hours, but could be quite a bit longer depending on conditions at the frontier.
Gruesome but fascinating?That's quite a spin on a human tradgedy(maybe gruesome and heart breaking).You have done alot of positive work regarding Haiti,but i could never promote gruesome photographs of people suffering.
I wouldn't say I am promoting them, and I have certainly never published them as they are not mine to publish. They are not pictures of people suffering. I won't go into further description, but I am sure that people will realize that what has been shown in the mass media has been selectively sanitized and doesn't necessarily show some of the things that have become painfully routine for people who are actually there.
Derekj6926
03-10-10, 13:52
I have spent a considerable amount of time in Haiti and would like to know if someone can tell me what the legal age is for a Haitian lady to date an american, I always like to be legal wherever I am and would like to be certain if the legal age is 21, 18, 16, or is it 18 the same as it is here in the USA? I would appreciate an answer, thanks, Derek
Member #4351
03-10-10, 15:03
I would imagine that since the U.S. Govt. and western NGOs are, and have been in charge, that it is 18.
BadBear2000
03-10-10, 15:12
Even though the Haitian girls will have children as young as 15 and 16 the real legal age is 18. I have known men over the years that have broken that rule and some even today bend it. But to let you know. My friend Sergo had a friend that banging a 16 year old and her parents got wind of it and reported it to the police. It cost him a chunk of money and he is still in prison. It is my understanding that if an American gets caught in that position they will extradite him back to the USA where he will spend a lengthy time in prison and have to register as a sex offender. Better to be safe than sorry
I have spent a considerable amount of time in Haiti and would like to know if someone can tell me what the legal age is for a Haitian lady to date an american, I always like to be legal wherever I am and would like to be certain if the legal age is 21, 18, 16, or is it 18 the same as it is here in the USA? I would appreciate an answer, thanks, Derek
BadBear2000
03-10-10, 15:26
http://travel.yahoo.com/p-interests-32497569
Read this article and tell me where it is to our the traveler's advantage. The airlines are going to get fined over $27,000 if we have to sit on a plane for more than 3 hours. Why don't they have to pay us the penalty. After all, I don't think the government's ass is going to get sore from us sitting on the plane. This is just another sin tax that does not have the tax payer's interest in their plan. The airlines will merely go up on their rates so we wind up getting burned again,.
Just my thoughts
Badbear2000
BadBear2000
04-25-10, 08:59
Just came back from St Marc. There was a festival today and my guest wanted to go to it. After a couple of hours listening to the music, getting pushed on in a crowd of God knows how many people, and watching hotties, decided to go to a dance club. I do not think I have ever seen anything like it. By the time we left shortly after midnight, this place was packed and I must say it is about half the size of a football field. My guest and I had 5 babes with us and we regretted it because there were hotties everywhere. Next time we will not make that mistake. It was for sure like taking sand to the beach.
BadBear2000
05-02-10, 15:30
Guys if you ever wonder what the zip codes are for Haiti, I just found this and it is in PDF file so you can print it out.
http://www.upu.int/post_code/en/countries/HTI.pdf
Beav Hunter
05-12-10, 14:34
Here's something the people of Haiti should know.
A New Earthquake Hits Haiti: Monsanto's deadly gift of 475 tons of genetically-modified seeds to Haitian farmers. There's a lot of information about the dirty tricks Monsanto uses, not to mention how bad GMO food is for you.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=19113
BadBear2000
05-13-10, 22:33
All you mongers need to really pay attention to this post by Beav Hunter. If you know anyone that has any influence with Haitian farmers, government officials, or just anyone that gives a crap about Haiti, get the word out there. I have worked with an agriculture agent for one of the states and he tells me when everyone started questioning what was happening to the honey bees, there was no doubt that some of the chemicals Monsanto was selling to kill off certain insects was also killing the honey bees. He also informed me that Monsanto was working on seed that would be self-pollinating. Whether you guys are aware of it, there are very few plants that do not require insects to pollinate the plants. If this does not occur their will be no vegetables, fruit, or berries. Corn is one of the few plants that actually pollinates itself. Just think, if Monsanto could kill off the bees and they have a self pollinating seed, our food supply would be controlled by them. Tell me that is not scary. As you know, I am trying to get agriculture rolling in Haiti but I do not want genetically-modified seed nor do I want to poison the water supply with fertilizers, herbicides, and insecticides. The people here drink out of the ditches, just think what affect this will have on them
So lets show the power of mongers.
Get the word out there. And Beav Hunter, thank you for informing us of this horrible predicament.
Here's something the people of Haiti should know.
A New Earthquake Hits Haiti: Monsanto's deadly gift of 475 tons of genetically-modified seeds to Haitian farmers. There's a lot of information about the dirty tricks Monsanto uses, not to mention how bad GMO food is for you.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=19113
BadBear2000
05-17-10, 18:27
More on Monsanto
PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti (AP) -- U.S. agriculture giant Monsanto Co. is donating $4 million worth of seeds to Haiti, the biotechnology manufacturer's first major foray into the chronically hungry nation.
The corporation, based in Creve Coeur, Missouri, announced a pledge this week of 475 tons (431 metric tons) of corn and vegetable seeds. Some 130 tons (118 metric tons) have been delivered and are on their way to farmers as of Friday.
"We looked at what would be well-suited to Haitian growing conditions," said Elizabeth Vancil, the company's development partnership director.
Farmers will have to buy the seeds at markets to avoid flooding the local economy with free goods, but Monsanto will not receive any revenue from the sales, Vancil said. A spokesman for the U.S. Agency for International Development program distributing the seeds could not immediately provide more details.And who will they be buying from? The crooks in government or the elite who caused the failure of the Haitian farmer to begin with.
Haiti's agriculture ministry approved the donation, while UPS and Switzerland-based Kuehne and Nagel are assisting with the shipping and logistics, Monsanto said.
The announcement raised concerns in Haiti that the donation would include genetically modified seeds, for which the country does not have a regulatory system. Monsanto representatives said no such seeds will be included.
Instead they are sending hybrid seeds, which are produced by manually cross-pollinating plants. The company said the seeds produce larger yields than non-hybrid seeds, but that with such a variety new seeds have to be purchased and planted every year.
For decades Haiti has been unable to feed itself, while local farms have been wiped out by competition from cheap foreign food and free food aid -- especially from the United States. The U.N. World Food Program estimates 2.4 million Haitians, a quarter of the country, do not have enough to eat.
The Jan. 12 earthquake damaged warehouses and roads when it wrecked much of the capital and killed a government-estimated 230,000 to 300,000 people. But the urban disaster had less effect on food than Haiti's past calamities, such as a string of 2008 hurricanes that ruined market roads and fields, worsening hunger and causing some children to die in isolated villages.
"What we're really focused on now are these first shipments and trying to help during this current crisis," Vancil said. Doing future business in Haiti "would be good, but it's not a requirement by any means."
Here's something the people of Haiti should know.
A New Earthquake Hits Haiti: Monsanto's deadly gift of 475 tons of genetically-modified seeds to Haitian farmers. There's a lot of information about the dirty tricks Monsanto uses, not to mention how bad GMO food is for you.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=19113
BadBear2000
05-18-10, 06:43
As many of you know, I had a house in Petionville and the earthquake did enough damage that I had to move. Because of all the UN and NGOs coming to Haiti drove the prices out of this world. I moved to a quiet secluded place near the beaches. It seems strange. Some people want a quiet and easy environment with a beach. Some want to be on the move at all times and a pool. Here is the deal. I never owned either of these locations. I just leased them. When the earthquake hit and turned many lives upside down decision making was very difficult. We leased the new place out by the beaches in 6 month segments. Unfortunately, the owners of the house just informed me they wanted to end our lease in August. This means that I will not be taking any more reservations that extend into August at this time. Trust me, I am looking at other locations because I really want to stay in Haiti and I like doing what I am doing. I also own beach property in Nagua, Dominican Republic which is being turned into a Malecon. I guess that is how you spell it. I may decide to move there on my own land and build to my specs. Then bring girls from Haiti and not let them get hardened by the Dominican working girls. I have many questions I have to answer to myself as I am still working on the agriculture project and it is looking promising. Who knows, I may decide to build a house out on the plantation and just fly guys out there when they come into PAP. I will keep everyone posted. Many of you have my email and are welcome to write. If not, pay the fee and pm me any questions you have. With the housing cost in PAP and Petionville due to the influx of UN, NGOs, and help workers it is looking dim. However, i am looking at a place that is very large and could almost be a hotel. Again, I will keep you posted. For those that have been here and want to come again, you need to make your plans before August. This also goes for those that have wanted to but have not. At this time, I cannot promise anything beyond July.
May the force be with you,
Badbear
Haitians are officially smarter than americans.
http://www.truthout.org/haitian-farmers-commit-burning-monsanto-hybrid-seeds59616
BadBear2000
05-21-10, 12:46
Thank goodness. I love this country more and more all the time. I hope I was able to throw gasoline on this fire before it got started. I came to Haiti weighing 285 lbs on July 14, 2009. Ayyyypapi can vouch that I looked like an old fat cow.. I think he called me that one time when he was trying to be nice. I now weigh around 235 lbs and still losing. I can screw for 2 hours at a time and my new number 6 said I am like a young boy in bed. This is due to lack of chemicals in my food and great sexercise. I played college football at 225 lbs. Thinking about contactin Lovie with the Bears and see if he will give me a shot
Haitians are officially smarter than americans.
http://www.truthout.org/haitian-farmers-commit-burning-monsanto-hybrid-seeds59616
Ayyyypapi can vouch that I looked like an old fat cow. I think he called me that one time when he was trying to be nice. I think it was something like "mechant vache". Now everyone says he's back to being the BEAR. I wanna see that for myself. He was verrry sticky with, but wasn't getting proper T-Bef from no. 5. "Marina the Mechanic" reset his crankshaft. Merci cheri.
Heard this today while doing my weekend errands.
Some reports on Haiti from the public radio program "This American Life". Covers some insight on the people of Haiti and the on-going issue of NGO programs in Haiti. The program will be available for download Sunday night.
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/408/island-time
Hope to see Haiti for myself sometime soon. BadBear, keep us posted on your new mansion, as I will not want to be without your wonderful insight and support.
Thanks!
Marc Anthony
05-23-10, 16:54
The first segment "10,000 Brainiacs" is a very well done piece on why NGOs have failed in Haiti for the last 50 years. When BadBear says they just drive around in expensive SUVs and use up food and fuel this gives some sense of what's going on.
It follows a seemingly simple problem with helping export more mangos.
I wonder whether BadBears's take on "how to secure trees from firewood scavengers" might not apply to the issue of "how to get farmers to handle their mangos in the proper way for export". (There has to be someone at the appropriate level who makes a profit from it.)
BadBear2000
05-23-10, 17:31
We need to talk. i just sent you a PM with info
The first segment "10,000 Brainiacs" is a very well done piece on why NGOs have failed in Haiti for the last 50 years. When BadBear says they just drive around in expensive SUVs and use up food and fuel this gives some sense of what's going on.
It follows a seemingly simple problem with helping export more mangos.
I wonder whether BadBears's take on "how to secure trees from firewood scavengers" might not apply to the issue of "how to get farmers to handle their mangos in the proper way for export". (There has to be someone at the appropriate level who makes a profit from it.)
BadBear2000
05-23-10, 17:33
Ayyyypapi and I had our ups and downs. But you have to love this because his heart is bigger than my belly.
I think it was something like "mechant vache". Now everyone says he's back to being the BEAR. I wanna see that for myself. He was verrry sticky with, but wasn't getting proper T-Bef from no. 5. "Marina the Mechanic" reset his crankshaft. Merci cheri.
Ayyyypapi and I had our ups and downs. But you have to love this because his heart is bigger than my belly.For example: BB you are free to use any of the bikini videos I shot which poolside (if you don't still have them I will send them). I hope your new house is goona have a big shallow pool. If so, I promise to bring an underwater videocam.
BadBear2000
05-24-10, 23:32
I will know tomorrow what it has. The pics look good but you never know until you see it in person
For example: BB you are free to use any of the bikini videos I shot which poolside (if you don't still have them I will send them). I hope your new house is goona have a big shallow pool. If so, I promise to bring an underwater videocam.
BadBear2000
05-27-10, 02:21
The new house is huge. It has 19 bedrooms and 15 bathrooms. there is a roof top that can accommodate a large jacuzzi and a dancing area for a bbq and jacuzzi party with many hot babes. All rooms have ceiling fans and some have AC. It is about 10 minutes from Delmas and Delmas 75 which is near a nice restaurant that serves great breakfast and fast food. It is about 15 to 20 minutes from Petionville. I need to know how many of you mongers would show up if you have reliable transportation every 2 hours to Petionville. You can catch a motorcycle to PV if you want or I will probably make rentals available. I am looking at $50 to $60 per night so let me get a feel if it is worth it. the rooms are nice and I will still be there to help you on your trolling missions. You are aware that Ayyyypapi and I invented trolling. I wonder if it will ever be an Olympic event.
Charles Pooter
05-27-10, 03:32
It is about 10 minutes from Delmas and Delmas 75 which is near a nice restaurant that serves great breakfast and fast food.
Does that mean you will not be cooking for guests at all in the hotel or is this just an alternative?
I need to know how many of you mongers would show up if you have reliable transportation every 2 hours to Petionville.
Can you explain the significance of this? I guess that we might need to go into Petionville for shops, clubs, medical services, etc., but does that mean you do not expect many girls to show at the hotel the way they did at your previous place?
I need to know how many of you mongers would show up if you have reliable transportation every 2 hours to Petionville. You can catch a motorcycle to PV if you want or I will probably make rentals available.
I am reluctant to take a moto after my recent moto accident in the DR and I certainly don't want to drive. What is the 2-hourly service you envisage? A taxi shuttle service?
BadBear2000
05-27-10, 16:11
I hope this answers all questions
Does that mean you will not be cooking for guests at all in the hotel or is this just an alternative? We will provide breakfast and we will have dinner available at a charge. The difference is we would need to know how many people will be eating and have a menu available for the guest to know what will be available on that day. There would have to be a set time to eat allowing an hour
Can you explain the significance of this? I guess that we might need to go into Petionville for shops, clubs, medical services, etc., but does that mean you do not expect many girls to show at the hotel the way they did at your previous place? There will be more girls here than before at different hours. The difference is we will give them one drink and if the eat or drink more it will have to come from the guest that want them to stay longer. This includes all meals and drinks. Beer, coke, and other drinks will not be available free for the guest. Coffee at breakfast will be free. I paid $4 US for a cup of coffee at the Kinam hotel the other day
I am reluctant to take a moto after my recent moto accident in the DR and I certainly don't want to drive. What is the 2-hourly service you envisage? A taxi shuttle service? It will be our vehicle going every two hours. This will be a free service but this will be go and drop you off and in two hours return and either drop off other guest or pick you up. Anything different would be a charge
Charles Pooter
05-27-10, 17:39
I hope this answers all questions.
Thanks, it does. And I like the answers, too! Seems a very fair and practical way to runs things. I look forward to coming but it won't be until autumn now. I have had a bit of a set-back here in the DR so have to overcome that first.
A brief description of Petionville at Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%A9tionville.
It sounds good.
Presumably it has all the usual amemities like supermarkets, gym etcetc. Maybe street food stalls, street markets (for those of us who live on bananas, coconuts, chips and beer :) )
Can you walk to the shopping centre from the Mansion? How long? Taxis or buses? Ah, I see the answer below. Can one hire a vehicle or motocycle/bicycle?
Are there opportunities for bush hiking, hunting?
I don't have a clear idea of the size of Haiti, can you cycle around it in a few days? I'd like to hit the countryside a bit.
What about diving/fishing? the tropical sea type I mean. Deep sea fishing?
Maybe I ought to get a Lonely Planets.
Cheers
BadBear2000
05-28-10, 13:41
More answers
A brief description of Petionville at Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%A9tionville.
It sounds good.
Presumably it has all the usual amemities like supermarkets, gym etcetc. Maybe street food stalls, street markets (for those of us who live on bananas, coconuts, chips and beer :) )
All the above is located in Petionville. Beer and chips we will be loaded at the house
Can you walk to the shopping centre from the Mansion? How long? Taxis or buses? Ah, I see the answer below. Can one hire a vehicle or motocycle/bicycle?
If you are a real walker like some I have had visit you could walk but it would be a long walk. we will have motorcycles for rent and there are local motos that can drive you. We will have our own vehicle going every 2 hours
Are there opportunities for bush hiking, hunting?
I don't have a clear idea of the size of Haiti, can you cycle around it in a few days? I'd like to hit the countryside a bit.
What about diving/fishing? the tropical sea type I mean. Deep sea fishing?
Maybe I ought to get a Lonely Planets.
It would take weeks to go around the island. there is fishing and diving available. We can grab a local fisherman and get him to take you out for a fishing venture
Cheers
Member #2001
05-28-10, 16:22
When will this be available? WHen do you plan to get this new place?
Gentleman Travel
05-28-10, 18:55
If I understand the location correctly, it is about equidistant from the airport, Petionville and PaP downtown?
This would be okay from my point of view. But obviously far from the ocean and I guess no pool?
A hottub is nice, but maybe a little small and potentially unsanitary given the use it will get!
I still hope to get to your current location and expect to confirm that in a day or two.
Cheers,
GT
The new house is huge. It has 19 bedrooms and 15 bathrooms. there is a roof top that can accommodate a large jacuzzi and a dancing area for a bbq and jacuzzi party with many hot babes. All rooms have ceiling fans and some have AC. It is about 10 minutes from Delmas and Delmas 75 which is near a nice restaurant that serves great breakfast and fast food. It is about 15 to 20 minutes from Petionville. I need to know how many of you mongers would show up if you have reliable transportation every 2 hours to Petionville. You can catch a motorcycle to PV if you want or I will probably make rentals available. I am looking at $50 to $60 per night so let me get a feel if it is worth it. the rooms are nice and I will still be there to help you on your trolling missions. You are aware that Ayyyypapi and I invented trolling. I wonder if it will ever be an Olympic event.
BadBear2000
05-29-10, 15:47
It is closer to PV than the airport but closer to the airport than the last place in PV. Strangely enough my place by the ocean takes about the same time as it did to get to my old place because of the traffic difference.
I just had a group of people cancel for the month on June so there are still rooms available
If I understand the location correctly, it is about equidistant from the airport, Petionville and PaP downtown?
This would be okay from my point of view. But obviously far from the ocean and I guess no pool?
A hottub is nice, but maybe a little small and potentially unsanitary given the use it will get!
I still hope to get to your current location and expect to confirm that in a day or two.
Cheers,
GT
BadBear2000
05-29-10, 15:49
I will start work on it in the next few days. There are some things I need to correct on it but the latest will be Aug 1 when I move out of here. I may be running duel places in July for the guys to bounce back and forth.
When will this be available? WHen do you plan to get this new place?
BadBear2000
06-01-10, 15:48
Gentlemen and fellow mongers: I have studied all you guys and I find there to be 3 different types of mongers.
The notchers: These are the guys that are trying to see how many girls or nookies they can capture in a day. I am not complaining. I use to be one of them. These guys look for a cheap place to stay that is clean enough you do not have to worry about bed bugs or crabs getting on you. They look for babes of quality at an economical price. Our new place will have all that. We will have more girls hanging around for the taking. Unfortunately, we will give them one beer and if you like what you see, you can buy the rest. This is normal in any monger society.
The Mid-Liners: These are guys that like to throw out their fishing net and drag in as many as possible. They then inspect each and everyone for looks, personality, quality of nookie, quality of BJ, and of course size of funds they will want to walk away with after a week or so. These guys then pick one or two or three to be their regulars. They may want to take them away from the mansion to a paradise and spend some quiet non exposure time with them where they are no long monger and catch but lovers with different ideas.
The Elite Monger: These are mongers that know what they want, do not have to sample many, are not afraid of spending a few extra dollars for the quality babe, not afraid when they get home, there is not enough money in the bank to pay their bills because they just could not resist that one last babe. These guys want a special place.
Now, I am sure you are wondering what in hell I am getting at. This is merely in the planning stages at this time. We are looking at some very beautiful beach land near the present mansion. It is covered with coconut palms, banana trees, mango trees, etc. It is with in walking distance of a fishing village where babes are gathered every day and night. This will be a place where Brad Pit and Angelina Jolie and others like them would go to get away from the rest of the world in a total natural ecological environment. This place will not be for everyone. You may want to hang around the PV mansion and when you feel you have the one you want, you sweep her up and go the beach for a couple of days where you make passionate love or actually propose marriage.
I will keep you posted on this one. As it will take several months to prepare as I will be building a place perfect for everyone.
BB2000
A hottub is nice, but maybe a little small and potentially unsanitary given the use it will get!
GT
You don't have to worry about the hot-tub, if the right amount of chlorine is used every day, I don't see any problem. As for chlorine, most of the High Class, restaurant in Dominican Republic or Haiti put a small portion in the water used to clean the vegetable and salad. If I can eat it, no problem for use in a pool or hot tub.
BadBear2000
07-10-10, 15:56
The house off Delmas 75 will be available in 2 weeks. It is about 15 to 20 minutes from the center of Petionville depending upon traffic which with the UN and help groups is very heavy these days.
This house will be different from the other houses. First of all, I am not running it but helping with it. I will be taking care of things like internet, electrical, water, and transportation to and from the airport. I will be the monger advisor. This house has 19 rooms and 15 bathrooms. Some rooms have private baths and some have to share. There will be a bar on the roof with music and dance floor. we will also be adding a jacuzzi very soon.
We are still moving forward on our house by the beach which will be a monger's dream place. It will be classy and it will be designed and built with everything in mind. There will be a pool for the sissy boys afraid of the big bad sea but we will have access to the sea at the back door of the house. I will be posting some simulated picks of the house in the near future so you can get an idea.
Until then, happy mongering as the mansion as we know it will be closing on July 29th. I have many people coming the remainder of this month and will show them the location of the new house to be.
Looking forward to things getting going for you there. See you when you are resettled ;)
The house off Delmas 75 will be available in 2 weeks. It is about 15 to 20 minutes from the center of Petionville depending upon traffic which with the UN and help groups is very heavy these days.
This house will be different from the other houses. First of all, I am not running it but helping with it. I will be taking care of things like internet, electrical, water, and transportation to and from the airport. I will be the monger advisor. This house has 19 rooms and 15 bathrooms. Some rooms have private baths and some have to share. There will be a bar on the roof with music and dance floor. we will also be adding a jacuzzi very soon.
We are still moving forward on our house by the beach which will be a monger's dream place. It will be classy and it will be designed and built with everything in mind. There will be a pool for the sissy boys afraid of the big bad sea but we will have access to the sea at the back door of the house. I will be posting some simulated picks of the house in the near future so you can get an idea.
Until then, happy mongering as the mansion as we know it will be closing on July 29th. I have many people coming the remainder of this month and will show them the location of the new house to be.
I'm getting anxious. I'm buying plane tickets as soon as Badbear gives the go ahead. I need a vacation bad.
BadBear2000
08-08-10, 17:43
OK guys, here is the scoop. I am at the new house off Delmas 75. The road from Delmas is hell but it is only about a mile. My babe and I walked it the other day but it was hotter than hell and the old bear had to stop and hibernate a few times. We still did it in about 20 minutes. For some strange reason we are in the rainy season which should have been in May and June. There is a club that is less than 200 yards from the house. There are girls passing by all the time and there is a tent city not that far from the house. This is a great place to Troll (**Patented by Ayyypapi and BB2000**) The Epidore restaurant is just up from Delmas 75 on Delmas and is an ok restaurant especially for breakfast. We do furnish breakfast at the new mansion. The lady who owns the house is ok with you mongers. I explained and she has no problem. They are building a club on top of the mansion which will take some time but it will be ideal for you guys when we start inviting the babes to visit the mansion. I will have the internet up and running within 10 days. We have a little card thingy that works on the local cell system like 3g. The lady will let you borrow occasionally if you get here before I can get the net up and running. I will be available for trolling as we are working out plans to get you to the Petionville area where the streets are over flowing with sweet chocholate.
Our prices are as follows:
Plan 1: room with private bath and ceiling fan-$60.00
Plan 2: room with private bath, ceiling fan, and AC-$80.00
Plan 3: room with private bath, ceiling fan, AC, and mini frig-$85.00
Plan 4: room with everything on plan 3 and Badbear teaching you how to get laid: PRICELESS
As before, we expect 20% deposit which can be paid via paypal. You do not have to have a paypal account as we can invoice you through paypal and you pay by credit card.
BB2000
BadBear2000
08-08-10, 22:17
And one other thing. Larry get your ass down here before I come hunting for you. This place was made for you, you old hornie bastard.
OK guys, here is the scoop. I am at the new house off Delmas 75. The road from Delmas is hell but it is only about a mile. My babe and I walked it the other day but it was hotter than hell and the old bear had to stop and hibernate a few times. We still did it in about 20 minutes. For some strange reason we are in the rainy season which should have been in May and June. There is a club that is less than 200 yards from the house. There are girls passing by all the time and there is a tent city not that far from the house. This is a great place to Troll (**Patented by Ayyypapi and BB2000**) The Epidore restaurant is just up from Delmas 75 on Delmas and is an ok restaurant especially for breakfast. We do furnish breakfast at the new mansion. The lady who owns the house is ok with you mongers. I explained and she has no problem. They are building a club on top of the mansion which will take some time but it will be ideal for you guys when we start inviting the babes to visit the mansion. I will have the internet up and running within 10 days. We have a little card thingy that works on the local cell system like 3g. The lady will let you borrow occasionally if you get here before I can get the net up and running. I will be available for trolling as we are working out plans to get you to the Petionville area where the streets are over flowing with sweet chocholate.
Our prices are as follows:
Plan 1: room with private bath and ceiling fan-$60.00
Plan 2: room with private bath, ceiling fan, and AC-$80.00
Plan 3: room with private bath, ceiling fan, AC, and mini frig-$85.00
Plan 4: room with everything on plan 3 and Badbear teaching you how to get laid: PRICELESS
As before, we expect 20% deposit which can be paid via paypal. You do not have to have a paypal account as we can invoice you through paypal and you pay by credit card.
BB2000
Gentleman Travel
08-09-10, 15:49
There is a club that is less than 200 yards from the house. There are girls passing by all the time and there is a tent city not that far from the house. This is a great place to Troll (**Patented by Ayyypapi and BB2000**)... I will be available for trolling as we are working out plans to get you to the Petionville area where the streets are over flowing with sweet chocholate.
Yeah, I noticed the tent city when I drove by your new place.
It seems rather exploitive but that should be a great source of willing girls.
When you get the bar set up on the roof it will be pretty easy to pull them in.
Anyone who wonders about BB's (and others) tales of willing girls for cheap or free, just think about. Millions living in makeshift accommodation, crowded, hot and wet for months on end - never any privacy or enough to eat. And those in their old houses maybe not much better off, they are mostly shacks anyway - still crowded and hot. And it is not like the future holds any promise, before or after the earthquake.
So to come to an oasis of calm and (by their standards) luxury, drink cold beer, wash in clean water, and sleep in a clean bed, is a very attractive proposition for these girls. When I was at BB's old place and told my girl to stay over while I was out working, she spent most of her time lying in bed, or sitting out on the balcony staring at the ocean, alone and peaceful. It was like a vacation for her. I was paying full price for her time, but I bet a younger guy could get them for free, or maybe I could after paying for a few days - you want to stay here with me for free, or go back to Hades? But I could not be that cheap - these girls have nothing. The cost is small so long as the girl is right.
BB, anything being done about that road? Or was it always that way?
I mean it is almost impassable even by Haitian standards!
And walking 1 km in that heat, in that neighbourhood, is no joke.
Best wishes and hope to be back soon,
GT
Freddy Scuttle
08-12-10, 07:49
I hope this works well for you Badbear, you deserve some luck this time.
I hope to see you soon to try the new place.
Oh you old bastard, In do love you like a brother. We had such a goodtime together. As you know it would be very easy for me to forget all thats here and be your compodre again. I do want the best for you even if you NEVER let me fuck #5, oh well I am still waiting here for my baby in jai???? YES I am a weak SOB when pussy is involved LOL I guess thats what makes us alike.
Alew217
And one other thing. Larry get your ass down here before I come hunting for you. This place was made for you, you old hornie bastard.
BadBear2000
08-27-10, 01:23
OK guys, this is your chance to check out the sweet chocholate in Haiti at a reasonable price. I have convinced the landlady to run a monger special. For the month of September we are offering an unbelievable rate with all kinds of options.
Room with ceiling fan--$40 with breakfast
Room with ceiling fan--$45 with breakfast and dinner
Room with ceiling fan and AC--$50 with breakfast
Room with ceiling fan and AC--$55 with breakfast and dinner.
All rooms have private baths so you want have to worry about me running around scaring all you guys with my special purpose.
We will show you the ins and outs in PV. There is plenty of trolling right around the house. Prices are dropping on Spirit Air at this time so check them out. For you guys that are living in the Miami and Fort Lauderdale area going out taking a chance on getting mugged or rolled while trying to pick up some crack ho or even worse getting arrested by the cops. I think you need to check the pics that Don Smith just posted. One of these babes was a friend of my #5 and many times I had the opportunity but being old and stupid sometime, I didn't. I am a firm believer. Never turn down a good cup of coffe or a good lay. As I type this, I am kicking my ars with my mind.
http://www.viviun.com/AD-146933/ show some picks of the new house we are using as the temporary mansion. Just let me know when you want to wander through the final frontier
BB2000
Unfortunately BB, I cannot make it in September, but I am glad I have my reservation already made and paid for early October. I am looking forward to seeing the new place and hanging out with you.
For you guys who have been sitting on the fence about visiting Haiti, the time to go is NOW. It's been said over and over on this board but "bears" saying again. There are few places on the planet you will still find women with such a great attitude as well as a new friend as good as Bad Bear.
Cunning Linguist
08-29-10, 11:23
Unfortunately BB, I cannot make it in September, but I am glad I have my reservation already made and paid for early October. I am looking forward to seeing the new place and hanging out with you.
For you guys who have been sitting on the fence about visiting Haiti, the time to go is NOW. It's been said over and over on this board but "bears" saying again. There are few places on the planet you will still find women with such a great attitude as well as a new friend as good as Bad Bear.
I couldn't have said it better myself. It is hard to find a better attitude among girls in the world, that I can also personally vouch for. Bad Bear is almost a good thing as the girls.
BadBear2000
09-05-10, 07:57
Guys, on October 8th and 9th, we are going to throw a party on the roof at the mansion. There will be probably 20 or so hotties for you guys to choose from. I will start posting pics of potential babes after this Monday. You need to pack your bags, make flight arrangements, get your supply of viagra, and head down to the last frontier.
BadBear2000
09-19-10, 15:45
I want to bang some Haitian chicks but I don't know shit about Creole. How do you say the following?:
- Hello !You are very beautiful helo tre bel
- I want to f__k you mwen vle fe bagay ave ou
- How much money to f__k you? konbyen lajan poum konyen ou
- I want you to give me a blow job mwen vle ou ban mwen yon ti bef
- I want to come in your mouth mwen vle vini nan bouch ou
- I want you to swallow my cum mwen vle ou bwe voye mwen
- I want to f__k you in the ass mwen vle konyen ou nan bouda
- I want to take some sexy photos of you mwen vlekek foto sexy de ou
- I want to video you while having sex mwen vle pran foto pandan nap fe sex
Gentleman Travel
09-20-10, 15:20
I want to bang some Haitian chicks but I don't know shit about Creole. How do you say the following?:
- I want to take some sexy photos of you mwen vlekek foto sexy de ou
Except you don't have to say this.
They will pose for pictures and insist you take them, even if neither of you speak a word of the other's language!
I had to check my camera and delete all the photos one of the girls insisted on posing for,
so they would not show up in a slide show when I returned home.
I think I am going to make Flash Cards out of these just in case I mix up my words. Thanks BB. Look forward to meeting you.
I want to bang some Haitian chicks but I don't know shit about Creole. How do you say the following?:
- Hello !You are very beautiful helo tre bel
- I want to f__k you mwen vle fe bagay ave ou
- How much money to f__k you? konbyen lajan poum konyen ou
- I want you to give me a blow job mwen vle ou ban mwen yon ti bef
- I want to come in your mouth mwen vle vini nan bouch ou
- I want you to swallow my cum mwen vle ou bwe voye mwen
- I want to f__k you in the ass mwen vle konyen ou nan bouda
- I want to take some sexy photos of you mwen vlekek foto sexy de ou
- I want to video you while having sex mwen vle pran foto pandan nap fe sex
PartyPoooper
09-24-10, 05:28
Guys, on October 8th and 9th, we are going to throw a party on the roof at the mansion. There will be probably 20 or so hotties for you guys to choose from. I will start posting pics of potential babes after this Monday. You need to pack your bags, make flight arrangements, get your supply of viagra, and head down to the last frontier.BadBear,
I am curious about how things are improving in the area.
I was on the other side of the border in January, and after the quake only ventured to Cap H.
Will you be having more gatherings later in the year?
Thanks in advance for opening up the frontier.
until 5 years ago [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) was not a crime in haiti, but some guys who bangs a 16 year old girl (which is legal in over 15 us states) will get put in jail. so i guess he should have raped her and he would be okay with the cops.
even though the haitian girls will have children as young as 15 and 16 the real legal age is 18. i have known men over the years that have broken that rule and some even today bend it. but to let you know. my friend sergo had a friend that banging a 16 year old and her parents got wind of it and reported it to the police. it cost him a chunk of money and he is still in prison. it is my understanding that if an american gets caught in that position they will extradite him back to the usa where he will spend a lengthy time in prison and have to register as a sex offender. better to be safe than sorry
Charles Pooter
09-25-10, 17:23
until 5 years ago [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) was not a crime in haiti.
i do not believe this statement. it may be that there was a very different interpretation of the facts depending on the relationship between the parties. possibly [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) was included under assault, which makes a lot of sense, but i cannot accept that statement at face value.
some guys who bangs a 16 year old girl (which is legal in over 15 us states) will get put in jail.
it is not the law in your own country which prevails but the law of the country in which the offence was committed. for example, i could have sex with a 16-year-old girl perfectly legally in the uk (where i came from) but if i was found guilty of doing that in the dr or haďti i could be prosecuted, tried and imprisoned in the uk. this is very illogical considering that having sex and childen from the age of 13 upwards is widespread in the tropics and much less usual in the first world, but it is the law and i would be crazy not to be aware of it and respect it.
Marc Anthony
09-25-10, 17:27
until 5 years ago [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) was not a crime in haiti, but some guys who bangs a 16 year old girl (which is legal in over 15 us states) will get put in jail. so i guess he should have raped her and he would be okay with the cops.
http://www.justice.gov/criminal/ceos/trafficking.html
5 year minimum, 30 year maximum sentence federal. it would make no difference if it was entirely legal locally.
a lack of enforcement among nationals is also not relevant. this applies to americans anywhere in the world and there is a lot of incentive for local authorities to enforce it, even if they don't for their own nationals.
18 is the line and you had better be aware of it.
What other activities are there. Beyond the noble sport?
Any ping-pong?
I feel that the biggest attraction is the non-pro scene. Am I right?
It is not the law in your own country which prevails but the law of the country in which the offence was committed. For example, I could have sex with a 16-year-old girl perfectly legally in the UK (where I came from) but if I was found guilty of doing that in the DR or Haďti I could be prosecuted, tried and imprisoned in the UK.
The age of consent in Spain is 12, but what is in question is the age of a girl who is being PAID for sex.
I believe it is an offense to pay a girl under 18 for sex in the UK.
US citizens can't pay for sex anywhere in the world if the girl is under 18.
BadBear2000
09-28-10, 10:48
I think you hit it on the head. There was a time when I use to just go for the kill because there were so many available that if she was no good, I would get rid of her right away or at least in the morning. After many adventures in Haiti I realized you concentrate on the babes that are not pros and get the girl friend attitude. These girls love sex as much as we do. It just is that once they become pros, they seem to do what so many of us have done. Go for numbers. If a girl can give 10 BJs in one night for $10 and she is a pro why do you think she would spend a good night with us for $25 to $40. She already knows you just want a good sex time and are not looking for a special girl.
I have a friend that does actually have a ping pong table as the other day I realized since it has been over 35 years since I played I can still do ok. There are workout clubs around town and even tennis available
What other activities are there. Beyond the noble sport?
Any ping-pong?
I feel that the biggest attraction is the non-pro scene. Am I right?
BadBear2000
09-28-10, 10:51
I am sure we will be having more parties as time passes. I will keep everyone posted
BadBear,
I am curious about how things are improving in the area.
I was on the other side of the border in January, and after the quake only ventured to Cap H.
Will you be having more gatherings later in the year?
Thanks in advance for opening up the frontier.
Make no mistake gents as the age of consent for a US citizen is 18 no matter what the other countries laws may be. US law superceeds any other in that if caught you can and will most likely be tried in a US court. Many countries that we travel to for "fun" get monetary aid from the US so they are more than happy to turn you over to US authorites and get a nice write up in the newspaper.
So stick with the regular olive oil guys and leave the extra virgin oil to the locals.
Kid
The age of consent in Spain is 12, but what is in question is the age of a girl who is being PAID for sex.
I believe it is an offense to pay a girl under 18 for sex in the UK.
US citizens can't pay for sex anywhere in the world if the girl is under 18.
Manizales911
10-02-10, 18:25
Make no mistake gents as the age of consent for a US citizen is 18 no matter what the other countries laws may be. US law superceeds any other in that if caught you can and will most likely be tried in a US court. Many countries that we travel to for "fun" get monetary aid from the US so they are more than happy to turn you over to US authorites and get a nice write up in the newspaper.
So stick with the regular olive oil guys and leave the extra virgin oil to the locals.
KidThe age of consent is NOT the determining factor,it is the age of majority that one needs to be concerned about.
BadBear2000
10-03-10, 07:01
In Haiti, why would anyone even want to take a chance since there are 18 and older girls here with very nice, hot, and tight bodies. But in Haiti the legal age is 18 regardless of any 15 year old pregnant girl you may see
Make no mistake gents as the age of consent for a US citizen is 18 no matter what the other countries laws may be. US law superceeds any other in that if caught you can and will most likely be tried in a US court. Many countries that we travel to for "fun" get monetary aid from the US so they are more than happy to turn you over to US authorites and get a nice write up in the newspaper.
So stick with the regular olive oil guys and leave the extra virgin oil to the locals.
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BadBear2000
10-23-10, 03:35
This past week I have had the company of an Irish gentleman from London and an ISG member. One of our lady friends called and said that she had a very beautiful friend that wanted to meet the ISG member. He asked if she could come by moto since we had been out all day and he or us wanted to drive any more. I told her to send the girl by moto and we would pay. The guy ask how much it would be and we informed him the price was 150 gourdes which is about $3.75 U.S.
After a long wait not only did the girl she was sending showed up but our friend and her girlfriend which we suspect is her lover. The girl that she said was beautiful was about a 4 on the scale of 1 to 10. My visitor went down and gave the girl 300 gourdes which would take care of two of the bikes but they insisted they wanted 250 each and I offered to pay 150 for the third bike but I would not pay more since I know the going price. My lady immediately jumped in and started giving them hell for expecting the over payment and why 3 came instead of the girl and her friend. We understood the girl did not know the way to the house so it was ok for two but why 3. They threatened my girl and I ordered them out of the house. They went down where the bikes drivers were waiting and I explained to the drivers I would give them the 150 extra since my visitor had already given them 300 for two and decided he did not want the number 4 and had returned to the house. Then I explained that I would see hell freeze over before they got anymore.
I went back inside and locked the gate and told them they could set there all night. Low and behold the Irishman walks down and hands the girl more than they were asking for to start with. This really upset me. It was not the matter of how much money it was just the principle that we know what it should be and the bitches thought they could just give the drivers whatever they wanted. When something goes sour at the mansion, please remember it is my responsibility to handle the situation and I have been doing it for over 29 years in Haiti so I explained he had stepped out of his place by doing this because in the future the girls will think all they have to do is give a few threats and they can get anything they want.
1. My guest ordered on girl supposedly pretty(not pretty)
2. He understood he would be paying for 2 bikes at 150 gourdes each (got 3 at 250 gourdes each,
3. They threatened my girl in her house (a no no)
4. The Irish gentleman did not have a dog in this fight and my other guest had paid basically for nothing and returned to the house and slept alone. (another no no)
Trust me gentlemen. I know Haiti. I know the girls. I know the mentality. I have friends that are both rich and poor. When I say that I will handle it please let me handle it. you will be much better off this way. I do not want a girl to over charge you and I do not want you to be too cheap with them. I want no pain for either.
Badbear2000
Member #4379
10-23-10, 11:37
BadBear knows his stuff. Having lived in Africa for 6 years this is the right approach. Find out ASAP the local price and stick to it. There will always be this 2 tier pricing. Am I right that the price for a night with a girl is around $25 USD?
BadBear2000
10-23-10, 15:05
The range is from $20 to $40 as far as I am concerned but do not get me wrong.
Sometimes you will meet that special girl and you will give her whatever you want. I can accept this. I do not like the guys coming in and having a different girl every night and giving them way too much because that does spoil them. However, I do tell the girls that come to the mansion that they are not to argue with the guy even if he is cheap. Just let me know and I will remember him in the future and pass off the girls that should go cheap. I tell them if they want to continue coming to the house, do not rock the boat. As there will be be good and bad just like there are girls that are good and bad. At this point, I know of at least 3 girls are either married or about to get married. They were cool. And remember one thing. Just because a girl was selling sex before does not mean they cannot settle down and become a one man girl just like a monger that can settle down and become a one girl man. I mean it is not like any of us are virgins.
Have a nice day
Badbear2000
BadBear knows his stuff. Having lived in Africa for 6 years this is the right approach. Find out ASAP the local price and stick to it. There will always be this 2 tier pricing. Am I right that the price for a night with a girl is around $25 USD?
Make no mistake gents as the age of consent for a US citizen is 18 no matter what the other countries laws may be. US law superceeds any other in that if caught you can and will most likely be tried in a US court. Many countries that we travel to for "fun" get monetary aid from the US so they are more than happy to turn you over to US authorites and get a nice write up in the newspaper.
So stick with the regular olive oil guys and leave the extra virgin oil to the locals.
KidBottom line is if the local age of consent is 15 but you are a US citizen and for you it is 18 then the authorities need to know that you are a US citizen and not a French or Canadian etc. This is assuming they are actually setting up a sting to record you encounter. Bottom line is, as long as you are not OUT ON THE STREET SHOWING OFF go with the local law and be discreet.
Gentleman Travel
10-24-10, 22:13
Bad Bear, I heard from a somewhat well informed source that the security sitatuation in PaP has gotten substantially worse in recent months.
They spoke of kidnappings, muggings and dayling car-jackings. This was from someone with family in Haiti.
When I was there some months ago, I did not hear about anything like this.
Have things changed?
And of course, now there are concerns about cholera...
Can you update us on the situation on the ground there?
Pete Benetar
10-25-10, 14:21
Just wrapping up my week long stay with BB's team here in PAP. I am a first timer here in Haiti and want to qualify these comments by stating that I typically try to stay at 4 or 5 star places when I travel. That said, let me give a few of the pros and cons on this trip.
CONS: Only one and that's the White House. It was suboptimal. That might be an understatement as I've got 24 years active military experience and have lived in some very austere environments. None of this really bothered me. No water heater, very limited food options, lousy power situation (subsequently internet access too), and location (driving in and out of the area which felt more like you were riding pack mules than riding in a truck). The location also felt remote as I was reliant on individual girls getting contacted and then responding accordingly, on "Haitian Time".
PROS: Number one is BB and his team. BB's natural state is overcoming adversity and made what would otherwise have been a miserable experience an excellent trip. Big kudos to BB's younger sidekick (I won't name as unsure about privacy) who practically gave me a good ear tugging and pulled me out to one of his favorite clubs. That night, singularly, was one of the best "dating" times I have had in a very long time.
Number 2 on the PRO list are the Haitian girls. I have thought a good bit of going over to Africa to experience the aborigine Africana. I no longer have that desire. The girls here in Haiti are way black and NOT American, lol. The are absolutely beautiful and I think it's fair to think you could possibly fall in love with a different woman every night of the week.
Number 3 PRO is the geography. Streets in PAP are a true spectacle and will really grab your attention in their post Earthquake state. Driving the streets was amazing, but that's not what I mean. Out toward BB's previous mansion, near the water, the real estate is stunningly beautiful.
Overall, I am in love with Haiti but again would say that my summary opinion is based almost entirely on the truly expert guide service, really, provided by Bear and his team.
Charles Pooter
10-25-10, 23:34
Just wrapping up my week long stay with BB's team here in PAP ... etc.
Thanks PB for what I would guess to be a fair and balanced report.
Marc Anthony
10-25-10, 23:41
Bottom line is if the local age of consent is 15 but you are a US citizen and for you it is 18 then the authorities need to know that you are a US citizen and not a French or Canadian etc. This is assuming they are actually setting up a sting to record you encounter. Bottom line is, as long as you are not OUT ON THE STREET SHOWING OFF go with the local law and be discreet.
It's not about the police or sting operations, unless you count private blackmail as a "sting". It's a lot better than kidnapping because it's completely legal to set you up, and you risk everything while they risk nothing. The local 'age of consent' in Haiti by the way is 18. http://www.avert.org/age-of-consent.htm
Charles Pooter
10-26-10, 00:15
... because it's completely legal to set you up ...
I am not sure if entrapment is completely legal in any country. It certainly wouldn't stand up in court in the UK. But I agree that is just a theoretical nicety in Third World countries and anyone who messes with under-age girls in Haďti or the Dominican Republic is just asking to get a very nasty and expensive experience.
BadBear2000
10-26-10, 00:22
I hear things from outside but to give you an idea. My old Jewish friend that I call my hero called me and said do not go downtown because the are rioting there and throwing rocks at cars. This came from the state department. At this very time the Irishman that was visiting was downtown with my latest and maybe last squeeze and said there was nothing going on down town. Now, we have to look at the UN. These guys are doing nothing but getting big pay checks to stay in a peaceful country. If they admit Haiti is peaceful and not the bad lands they describe, the international community may wake up and say there is no need for them. There goes their pay check and they may wind up in a country where they really are being shot at. One other thing. Recently Bill Clinton told a group of NGSs we need to help make Haiti self sufficient. A lady commented that if they did that, they would work themselves out of a job. The UN has described one community in Haiti as the most dangerous place in the world. Strange that I have stopped there many times to get fruit, eggs, vegetables and once my friend and I had a problem with the car overheating and had to get help for water to cool it down. I never felt in anyway or fashion a sense of fear.
Mind you mongers. The election is coming on Nov 28th. There may be some problems and I am monitoring that and will post any thing I suspect in the way of lack of security for any of you guys visiting. I would like to push my support for Jude who is running for president as I have known him since he was a kid. I think he will be a strong president and regardless of what our government says-------------HE WILL NOT BE ANYBODY'S PUPPET
BB2000
Bad Bear, I heard from a somewhat well informed source that the security sitatuation in PaP has gotten substantially worse in recent months.
They spoke of kidnappings, muggings and dayling car-jackings. This was from someone with family in Haiti.
When I was there some months ago, I did not hear about anything like this.
Have things changed?
And of course, now there are concerns about cholera...
Can you update us on the situation on the ground there?
BadBear2000
10-26-10, 00:31
Thank you for your support. I am not happy with our present location. My partner is at this time trying to find us a more suitable location. There are some things the old guy that owns the house does not understand even though his daughter does. We will even under some bad conditions try to make your stay as good of experience as possible. I am planning to build a solar hot water system next week and resolve the hot water problem. Since we got the larger dish up, the internet is better but when we are running on the generator, the power just does not do the Starband system justice as when we were at the beach and had good continuous power only had a problem if we had a strong wind that moved the dish. Like I said, we are looking for a better place but we can still get you hooked up with some sweet chocolate.
Just wrapping up my week long stay with BB's team here in PAP. I am a first timer here in Haiti and want to qualify these comments by stating that I typically try to stay at 4 or 5 star places when I travel. That said, let me give a few of the pros and cons on this trip.
CONS: Only one and that's the White House. It was suboptimal. That might be an understatement as I've got 24 years active military experience and have lived in some very austere environments. None of this really bothered me. No water heater, very limited food options, lousy power situation (subsequently internet access too), and location (driving in and out of the area which felt more like you were riding pack mules than riding in a truck). The location also felt remote as I was reliant on individual girls getting contacted and then responding accordingly, on "Haitian Time".
PROS: Number one is BB and his team. BB's natural state is overcoming adversity and made what would otherwise have been a miserable experience an excellent trip. Big kudos to BB's younger sidekick (I won't name as unsure about privacy) who practically gave me a good ear tugging and pulled me out to one of his favorite clubs. That night, singularly, was one of the best "dating" times I have had in a very long time.
Number 2 on the PRO list are the Haitian girls. I have thought a good bit of going over to Africa to experience the aborigine Africana. I no longer have that desire. The girls here in Haiti are way black and NOT American, lol. The are absolutely beautiful and I think it's fair to think you could possibly fall in love with a different woman every night of the week.
Number 3 PRO is the geography. Streets in PAP are a true spectacle and will really grab your attention in their post Earthquake state. Driving the streets was amazing, but that's not what I mean. Out toward BB's previous mansion, near the water, the real estate is stunningly beautiful.
Overall, I am in love with Haiti but again would say that my summary opinion is based almost entirely on the truly expert guide service, really, provided by Bear and his team.
Michaelzxc
10-26-10, 01:49
Bad Bear, what is the news?
BadBear2000
10-26-10, 08:18
It appears as it has slowed down but my advice to all mongers if you are in Haiti or coming to Haiti do not drink any water other than the bottled water or culligan 5 gallon water. I normally drink the bag water but at this time I am holding off. Most of them are good but there are some that are questionable. If you eat anything off the street make sure it has just been cooked and eat no vegetables that are not cooked. Avoid being in close environments like on the tap taps. If you must ride one stay on the back seat. I would stay clear of the tent cities even though they may need your help unless you are vaccinated against cholera.
I will try to keep you up on the news
Bad Bear, what is the news?
Gentleman Travel
10-26-10, 16:43
Now, we have to look at the UN. These guys are doing nothing but getting big pay checks to stay in a peaceful country. If they admit Haiti is peaceful and not the bad lands they describe, the international community may wake up and say there is no need for them. There goes their pay check and they may wind up in a country where they really are being shot at. One other thing. Recently Bill Clinton told a group of NGSs we need to help make Haiti self sufficient. A lady commented that if they did that, they would work themselves out of a job.
BB I know we will not see eye to eye on this - and your local knowledge is vastly superior to mine, but I think the UN and NGOs have an important role to play down there. Maybe the UN presence is overkill (and yes, foreign soldiers create their own set of problems) but I think that massive presence is what keeps the lid on in Haiti. And sure, NGOs are looking to do as many projects as they can get funding for. But no one is looking to inflate their presence beyond what is needed (or perceived to be needed).
Countries have lots of other things to do with their armies and foreign aid.
There are an endless number of fucked up shitholes around the world to play in.
And there are more global needs than NGOs and funders can possibly meet.
They will get out of Haiti whenever they think they have done what they can.
Most are genuinely committed to sustainability and building local capacity.
However, that is often a fragile or illusory goal...
Marc Anthony
10-27-10, 02:11
I am not sure if entrapment is completely legal in any country. It certainly wouldn't stand up in court in the UK. But I agree that is just a theoretical nicety in Third World countries and anyone who messes with under-age girls in Haďti or the Dominican Republic is just asking to get a very nasty and expensive experience.
What I mean is that to blackmail a tourist over drugs for example requires either that you are an authority who can legally possess them for the purpose of an undercover operation, or the risk that you can be implicated in possession. Anyone can legally "possess" a 15 year old girl, and the girl herself is committing no crime by having sex. Further, most single males are approachable with the offer of sex, but many or most would be not be open to drugs. Evidence of the crime is easy. Many tourists would willingly shoot a video of the event themselves, semen samples on clothes, plenty of witnesses to the parties going to the room - etc provide all the evidence anyone would need. After all, it's not being fabricated - it's just being documented. This doesn't take police (though I'm sure they would get into it too), anyone can play.
You are right I'm sure that conspiring between the girl and her chulo or uncle or whoever might technically be an issue, but there are no witnesses or incentives for either party to reveal it. The beautiful part is that the tourist is genuinely guilty as charged and their "entrapment" is both irrelevant and undetectable to the US authorities. What's it worth not to be dragged through the courts, sent to prison as a child molester (guaranteed to be treated even more harshly by fellow inmates) and if you survive spend the rest of your miserable broken life reporting every move as a sex criminal? The threat is not enforced by the blackmailer but by the government.
Actually it makes a pretty good movie plot... but instead of just demanding all the tourist's savings, they also make him act as a drug mule so the tension just increases when he boards the plane home.
Marc Anthony
10-27-10, 02:32
Thanks very much for a trustworthy, on the ground view. As you illustrate, there are really no reliable media sources. They can also grossly underreport the horror. I recall that in the aftermath of the earthquake reporting talked about hundreds of dead when all the evidence suggested it must be 10's or 100's of thousands.
BadBear2000
10-27-10, 05:39
I have thought about this very carefully and I do not want it to sound like an attack on anyone.
Correct you are when you say we do not see eye to eye on this matter.
I have been traveling and living in Haiti for 29 years
I have lived there during the Baby Doc days. Those were the best times of lives in Haiti. It is true the ton ton macout would do some bad things to some people but there were more people at work and more productivity in the country. Reagon forced him out when he should have had his wife and her father killed. He was controllable and Reagon had no answers other than to get rid of the only control there was in the country and let anarchy start in. It has not much changed as the people with the stronger personalities push the others around. After a few failing presidents and Aristide was elected the country continued to go south until General Abraham put his little thieving ass on a fast jet to the USA where his newly found wife taught him how to really screw the people. Abraham did not want to be president and he put General Cedras in power and actually during his time, the country was doing better with an embargo that it had since Baby Doc.
I have been there through all these times with and without the UN, with and without the NGOs, with one president after another, and believe me I am not seeing anything these groups are doing but making the wealthy more wealthy. I have 2 friends in the restaurant business and they admit they are getting wealthy off the high prices they can charge but guess what. The Haitian majority cannot afford these prices so all they are doing is making it impossible for the natives to enjoy their country but to only watch the invaders live like royalty.
Now GT, even though your group may be doing good, I know for a fact that most are not. We have watched organization and UN vehicles visiting the resorts and Dominican HO houses. I can understand them wanting to relieve their sexual desires but I find it very blatant to carry it out in organization owned vehicles knowing that tax money and donations are paying for this expensive transportation. Crowding these roads and driving the cost of everything up is not my idea of help. Even the Dominican HO houses are charging prices of $250 to $300 U.S. for a hour. Who do you think can afford that. Oh! that is right. The UN and NGOs. I rest my case.
BB2000
BB I know we will not see eye to eye on this - and your local knowledge is vastly superior to mine, but I think the UN and NGOs have an important role to play down there. Maybe the UN presence is overkill (and yes, foreign soldiers create their own set of problems) but I think that massive presence is what keeps the lid on in Haiti. And sure, NGOs are looking to do as many projects as they can get funding for. But no one is looking to inflate their presence beyond what is needed (or perceived to be needed).
Countries have lots of other things to do with their armies and foreign aid.
There are an endless number of fucked up shitholes around the world to play in.
And there are more global needs than NGOs and funders can possibly meet.
They will get out of Haiti whenever they think they have done what they can.
Most are genuinely committed to sustainability and building local capacity.
However, that is often a fragile or illusory goal...
Gentleman Travel
10-27-10, 14:49
I have thought about this very carefully and I do not want it to sound like an attack on anyone.
Correct you are when you say we do not see eye to eye on this matter.
I have been traveling and living in Haiti for 29 years
I have lived there during the Baby Doc days. Those were the best times of lives in Haiti. It is true the ton ton macout would do some bad things to some people but there were more people at work and more productivity in the country. Reagon forced him out when he should have had his wife and her father killed. He was controllable and Reagon had no answers other than to get rid of the only control there was in the country and let anarchy start in.
What we can agree on is that it is very difficult to impose external control on a country and population. And that no matter how bad things seem, they can always get much worse. So we in the West see Baby Doc and the Shah of Iran and the Taliban and Saddam Hussien and think we have to do something about these guys. But really we don't. It's not our problem and , more importantly, we probably cannot solve it - at least not without paying a ridiculous price. And we rarely make things better for ordinary people. There is a lot to be said for stability. The Russians and Chinese understand this and are making hay in many dark corners of the world by looking out for their own interests and not trying to force change on those who are not interested.
BadBear2000
10-28-10, 00:47
Saddam Hussien was keeping check on Iran but we had to take him out. Big mistake. We cannot and should not impose our culture on other people but we insist on being big brother to the world. I just do not want to see Haiti Americanized like we are doing to the Dominican republic.
BB2000
What we can agree on is that it is very difficult to impose external control on a country and population. And that no matter how bad things seem, they can always get much worse. So we in the West see Baby Doc and the Shah of Iran and the Taliban and Saddam Hussien and think we have to do something about these guys. But really we don't. It's not our problem and , more importantly, we probably cannot solve it - at least not without paying a ridiculous price. And we rarely make things better for ordinary people. There is a lot to be said for stability. The Russians and Chinese understand this and are making hay in many dark corners of the world by looking out for their own interests and not trying to force change on those who are not interested.
I have thought about this very carefully and I do not want it to sound like an attack on anyone...... I rest my case.
BB2000
I tend to agree
Not that I favour dictatorialships, be them left or right, conservative or 'revolutionary'.
But it is a fact that once those countires have been 'freed', naturally (by the death of the guy with no heirs) or forced (civil wars, invasion) we have assisted, in the majority of the cases, to a worstening of the situations, with no improvements for the populations.
This happened with the former Yougoslavia (and Tito). Tito was a sort of bonding element for the different ethnicities. Him gone, the chaos (understatement) started and we all know about it.
In the case of Iran, Sadam was certainly no saint, on the contrary!
BUT...but... (and I hope not to be misunderstood now) if one was sort of behaving and not clearly against him he could have a normal life (as much as normal it can be, I agree) and keep on living. His opponents, on the other hand, did not seem to have a future, that was known to them too, a choice (let's put aside the social implications and the good cause of their choices).
Sadam surely made lots of killings, no doubt. I repeat, no saint! And also thousands of innocents, we know that.
Now, that he has 'gone' and other countries brought in "democracy" we assist to daily, I repeat dailies, bombing terrorism attacks, hitting the population, other innocent people, in random actions.
To summarize in a rude way:
With Saddam the non opponents where pretty much sure to die for natural causes.
Now anybodyr can be killed by the attacks, going around, going to the market, going to work.
Be him an opponent or a supporter of the government, of the terrorists, of the foreigners bringing peace.
We have 30-50 and more people dieing everyday for these.
Their number, through these years, is matching, if not above the killings of Saddam.
I question myself:
was all this worth?
what improvement has the population got?
I am not familair with Haiti, BB has more knowledgem but I see not many differences, somehow
Member #4351
10-28-10, 15:20
I lived in Haiti when Baby Doc was in power. Things were a hundred times better for everyone, both Haitians and visitors. IMHO. Only losers were the NGO parasites which now multiply like cases of cholera.
Now GT, even though your group may be doing good, I know for a fact that most are not. We have watched organization and UN vehicles visiting the resorts and Dominican HO houses. I can understand them wanting to relieve their sexual desires but I find it very blatant to carry it out in organization owned vehicles knowing that tax money and donations are paying for this expensive transportation. Crowding these roads and driving the cost of everything up is not my idea of help. Even the Dominican HO houses are charging prices of $250 to $300 U.S. for a hour. Who do you think can afford that. Oh! that is right. The UN and NGOs. I rest my case.
BB2000
Case in point - On my recent trip to Haiti as a "tourist", one evening I was getting out of our vehicle at a disco in Petionville. Next to me, double parked, were two Red Cross Landcruisers with two or three young males getting out with 5-6 Haitian girls heading out for a night on the town.
Now I am not saying they shouldn't go out and have fun, on their "day off" but at least have the common sense to use a personal vehicle or take the Red Cross door magnet off and throw it in the back seat!
I drive a company car. If I was seen getting out of my car with women heading into a club I would be fired for using the company vehicle and behavior unbecoming of an executive.
As a documentary film maker on my next trip to Haiti in December, I intend to document some of these NGO practices and try to put something together.
Cunning Linguist
10-28-10, 23:54
I lived in Haiti when Baby Doc was in power. Things were a hundred times better for everyone, both Haitians and visitors. IMHO. Only losers were the NGO parasites which now multiply like cases of cholera.
If Haiti had had an even break from History, it would have been a different story. Haiti won her independence after a hard-fought slave revolt threw out the bloody French and stopped subsequent invasions, counterattacks by French, British and Spanish forces. A strict embargo was placed on Haiti by the French and then pro-slavery United States (which did not even recognize Haiti until 1862). The mulatto elite made a deal with the French to pay 150,000,000 gold francs (which was lowered somewhat) but the interest on the outrageous sum meant that Haiti had to pay France for the loss of property (slaves) until 1947. This forced Haiti into perpetual poverty. Couple these ruinous reparations with various invasions and occupations by the United States and you can begin to get an idea of what Haiti is so screwed up.
Haiti was occupied by the United States from 1915-1934 and brutally supressed by the Marines with Jim Crow laws imposed to boot. The United States set up the murderous Haitian army when they left in order to allow the lazy, medieval-minded elite to keep the population down and their income up. Papa and Baby Doc were just part of the long line of U.S.-supported dictators whose only virtue was their anti-Communism.
In recent history, Bill Clinton and George Bush did irreparable harm to Haiti by eliminating tariffs on rice imports, having local Haitian pigs slaughtered, and by withholding money from the Arisitide regime in order to destabilize his regime. Warts though he might have, he did win the elections by a huge majority. That's democracy but the problem is when the powers that be don't like the verdict of the people. The majority of the people like Lavalas but the US. France, and Canada don't. The people's votes count for nothing in Haiti, just foreign whims.
Now, under the direction of the U.S., the Haitian puppet government (if it indeed can be called a government) has found novel ways to stop the main political party from participating (Lavalas). You can like Lavalas or not but the fact of the matter is they represent the hopes and ambitions of the great majority of Haitians. Most of the Haitians I talked to, the poor ones at least (99%) love Aristide. The foreigners there and the few middle class (and very few rich) hate his guts. In any case, not allowing Lavalas to participate is akin to outlawing the Republican Party in Oklahoma or Utah ... or the ANC in South Africa. If democracy is what is desired, 80% of the electorate should be franchised. However, with elections coming up next month, these people will be, once again, disenfranchised. Only a very few will show up at the polls and a non-representative group will "run" Haiti for the benefit of the Americans, the NGOs and the elites. It is just as representative as something like the Lesbo-Gay Socialist Alliance Party running Mississippi or Wyoming. That would be unfair there but good enough in Haiti because there is nothing the Haitians can do about it.
The NGOs only function to make the Haitian state, such as it is, dysfunctional. The NGOs have essentially replaced the state but give little in return and live not off the fat of the land but the pity of people thinking they are helping Haiti. It is so sad.
I recommend reading Randall Robinson's "Haiti, From Revolution to the Kidnapping of a President" (an eyewitness account of how Aristide was shanghaied to the Central African Republic. He was with Arisitide the whole time)
and Damming the Flood: Haiti and the Politics of Containment by Peter Hallward
Sorry for the history lesson but Haiti is something that everyone should know about.
BadBear2000
10-29-10, 03:58
CL, you know I admire you not only as a fellow ISG member but as a dear friend. Most of what you say is straight to the point. However, Aristide was going to arm the poor and use their vengance to run the wealthy out of Haiti and allow him to own every possible money making source his own personal business. Clinton made a big mistake by putting him back in power. General Cedras was actually getting more done in Haiti than any of the presidents during my time. And he was doing it during an embargo.
The elite in Haiti destroyed agriculture by importing cheaper farm supplies from the USA. They have also managed to keep the poor uneducated which leads to over population which gives the elite more cheap slave labor which is what George, Dick, and their clam would like to be done in the U.S.
But just to show you what the wonderful UN is doing in Haiti, check this out:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/cb_haiti_disease_outbreak
If Haiti had had an even break from History, it would have been a different story. Haiti won her independence after a hard-fought slave revolt threw out the bloody French and stopped subsequent invasions, counterattacks by French, British and Spanish forces. A strict embargo was placed on Haiti by the French and then pro-slavery United States (which did not even recognize Haiti until 1862). The mulatto elite made a deal with the French to pay 150,000,000 gold francs (which was lowered somewhat) but the interest on the outrageous sum meant that Haiti had to pay France for the loss of property (slaves) until 1947. This forced Haiti into perpetual poverty. Couple these ruinous reparations with various invasions and occupations by the United States and you can begin to get an idea of what Haiti is so screwed up.
Haiti was occupied by the United States from 1915-1934 and brutally supressed by the Marines with Jim Crow laws imposed to boot. The United States set up the murderous Haitian army when they left in order to allow the lazy, medieval-minded elite to keep the population down and their income up. Papa and Baby Doc were just part of the long line of U.S.-supported dictators whose only virtue was their anti-Communism.
In recent history, Bill Clinton and George Bush did irreparable harm to Haiti by eliminating tariffs on rice imports, having local Haitian pigs slaughtered, and by withholding money from the Arisitide regime in order to destabilize his regime. Warts though he might have, he did win the elections by a huge majority. That's democracy but the problem is when the powers that be don't like the verdict of the people. The majority of the people like Lavalas but the US. France, and Canada don't. The people's votes count for nothing in Haiti, just foreign whims.
Now, under the direction of the U.S., the Haitian puppet government (if it indeed can be called a government) has found novel ways to stop the main political party from participating (Lavalas). You can like Lavalas or not but the fact of the matter is they represent the hopes and ambitions of the great majority of Haitians. Most of the Haitians I talked to, the poor ones at least (99%) love Aristide. The foreigners there and the few middle class (and very few rich) hate his guts. In any case, not allowing Lavalas to participate is akin to outlawing the Republican Party in Oklahoma or Utah ... or the ANC in South Africa. If democracy is what is desired, 80% of the electorate should be franchised. However, with elections coming up next month, these people will be, once again, disenfranchised. Only a very few will show up at the polls and a non-representative group will "run" Haiti for the benefit of the Americans, the NGOs and the elites. It is just as representative as something like the Lesbo-Gay Socialist Alliance Party running Mississippi or Wyoming. That would be unfair there but good enough in Haiti because there is nothing the Haitians can do about it.
The NGOs only function to make the Haitian state, such as it is, dysfunctional. The NGOs have essentially replaced the state but give little in return and live not off the fat of the land but the pity of people thinking they are helping Haiti. It is so sad.
I recommend reading Randall Robinson's "Haiti, From Revolution to the Kidnapping of a President" (an eyewitness account of how Aristide was shanghaied to the Central African Republic. He was with Arisitide the whole time)
and Damming the Flood: Haiti and the Politics of Containment by Peter Hallward
Sorry for the history lesson but Haiti is something that everyone should know about.
Cunning Linguist
10-29-10, 08:53
CL, you know I admire you not only as a fellow ISG member but as a dear friend. Most of what you say is straight to the point. However, Aristide was going to arm the poor and use their vengance to run the wealthy out of Haiti and allow him to own every possible money making source his own personal business. Clinton made a big mistake by putting him back in power. General Cedras was actually getting more done in Haiti than any of the presidents during my time. And he was doing it during an embargo.
The elite in Haiti destroyed agriculture by importing cheaper farm supplies from the USA. They have also managed to keep the poor uneducated which leads to over population which gives the elite more cheap slave labor which is what George, Dick, and their clam would like to be done in the U.S.
But just to show you what the wonderful UN is doing in Haiti, check this out:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/cb_haiti_disease_outbreak
Badbear, you are right that we know and love (brotherhood wise) each other very much. However, granted that Aristide did make a lot of mistakes, he also did start building more schools than any leader in history and with an embargo from the US (stopping of funds) at that. In the end, there are two solutions:
1. There should be a declaration that no functioning democracy for Haiti will be allowed or even claimed so that the status quo can go on and on ... and on. Complete the process of NGO-ocracy to totally replace the Haitian state so that the Haitians will never get uppity and accept their lot as the most wretched of wage slaves, in spite of their historical victory against traditional slavery.
2. Allow for democracy in Haiti by allowing all political parties to participate, especially those parties that command the allegiance of a huge number of the electorate. Other provisos would be not to interfere as Bush did in 2002 and 2003 (withholding funds and arming terrorist militias) as well as insuring that the people would be able to turf any party out that does not deliver on their promises. Translation: if the Fanmi Lavalas only lines its pockets and fails to help the lot of the hapless poor in any way, let them be voted out, not overthrown in a coup or CIA-backed thug insurgency (e.g. Guy Phillipe's murderous band). The only interference that should be permitted would be for this process to be done without resort to thuggery or financial blackmail. Fat chance, I know. However, I still say, give democracy a real chance.
Nevertheless, I am afraid only option 1. is on the agenda save for the official declaration of it. The powers that be and the elite are mortally afraid of allowing democracy in Haiti. In Haiti, the majority may not rule ... ever. If Obama told the American people "Yes We Can" in his election slogans, his government has told Haiti "Hell No You Can't!" by helping fund the sham November 28 election knowing full well that most of the benighted, earthquake-beaten, cholera-afflicted electorate are disenfranchised.
Jtdbusiness
10-30-10, 00:28
I am exclusively with one of the three girls (on path to marriage) mentioned below. The introduction came from BB2000. And since then, he has been a consistently wise adviser, and always watching my back (and his girl has been as well). Most importantly, he remains a trusted friend. I'm taking the relationship with my girl slow, and keeping my eyes open to ensure I see reality. But so far she has been loving and loyal. And not about the money. She's completely out of "the game". And no longer interacts with people from her "former life".
The range is from $20 to $40 as far as I am concerned but do not get me wrong.
Sometimes you will meet that special girl and you will give her whatever you want. I can accept this. I do not like the guys coming in and having a different girl every night and giving them way too much because that does spoil them. However, I do tell the girls that come to the mansion that they are not to argue with the guy even if he is cheap. Just let me know and I will remember him in the future and pass off the girls that should go cheap. I tell them if they want to continue coming to the house, do not rock the boat. As there will be be good and bad just like there are girls that are good and bad. At this point, I know of at least 3 girls are either married or about to get married. They were cool. And remember one thing. Just because a girl was selling sex before does not mean they cannot settle down and become a one man girl just like a monger that can settle down and become a one girl man. I mean it is not like any of us are virgins.
Have a nice day
Badbear2000
BadBear2000
11-03-10, 01:48
I am hearing more and more about Santo Domingo and Sosua. It appears as though the government is too stupid to understand where all their tourism money is coming from. It is the mongers that travel to the DR for the hot babes. With the police running the girls off the streets and driving them back into the houses where they can charge more it is apparent the DR is no longer the way of the past. In Haiti you are not looking for street walkers but just plain every day girls walking to grandma's house. You make the connection and you call them for a later date. Do not give into the BS the UN is putting out. Haiti is much safer than the DR.
[QUOTE=BadBear2000]I am hearing more and more about Santo Domingo and Sosua. It appears as though the government is too stupid to understand where all their tourism money is coming from. It is the mongers that travel to the DR for the hot babes. With the police running the girls off the streets and driving them back into the houses where they can charge more it is apparent the DR is no longer the way of the past.
I have been living in the DR for almost 3 years now, and i work for an international hotelchain here in Santo Domingo and i can tell you that it is certainly not the mongers who keep the dominican tourism economy going maybe this is the case in Haiti???
Take Playa Dorada for for example in Puerto Plata 25+ hotels and the vast mayority are not girl friendly, take Punta Cana/Bavaro the same i wonder why??????????
Most tourists come to the DR because of the nice weather and the nice beaches and 3 third because the DR is still cheap compared to other destinations.
If you can hold a conversation in spanish it is not hard to pull regular babes in Santo Domingo or anywhere in this country.
Charles Pooter
11-03-10, 14:56
I am hearing more and more about Santo Domingo and Sosua. It appears as though the government is too stupid to understand where all their tourism money is coming from. It is the mongers that travel to the DR for the hot babes. With the police running the girls off the streets and driving them back into the houses where they can charge more it is apparent the DR is no longer the way of the past. In Haiti you are not looking for street walkers but just plain every day girls walking to grandma's house. You make the connection and you call them for a later date. Do not give into the BS the UN is putting out. Haiti is much safer than the DR.
I have always been an enthusiast for Haďti on this and other boards and look forward to visiting there as often as my tiny budget and teaching commitments allow (and especially to visiting BB2000), but I find this post not up to his usual high standard.
Income from mongers is only a minute percentage of the DR's tourist revenue. There is an argument that they might even do better without the visiting mongers. I personally wouldn't go that far, but one can make a case for it.
In the DR, just as in Haďti, you can pick up non-putas with ease away from the mongering hotspots of Sosúa and Boca Chica. The only difference is that you might struggle to do so without some Spanish, whereas I presume in Haďti the girls are not going to expect you to speak any Kreyól or even French.
Also I think it is an exaggeration to say that Haďti is much safer than the DR. Nearly all the serious incidents involving gringos in the DR have happened to people who have put themselves in harm's way by associating with scum or carrying on fringe activities like loan-sharking or dubious land deals.
BadBear2000
11-03-10, 23:25
I could be wrong about the security differences. All I know is my son was at Boca Chica and had to fight a guy who was trying to rip him off. He is 21 and just happened to be faster than the attacker. He is half Dominican. He has both passport for the USA and the DR. He says that he feels safer in Haiti. One morning while leaving the capital he stopped at a traffic light and a motor cycle hit him. The driver was drunk and had a gun. He was in a security uniform. He just got back on his bike and road away without saying anything. He did over $1000 damage to the car. The police showed up and more or less told him that was tuff shit. I have had two occasions when I was almost robbed but because I sped off was able to avoid them. Not once in my 29 years in Haiti have I ever been attacked or felt fear. I shop at a street market in an area the UN has declared the most dangerous place in the world. Of course they will say that because they are getting to lay out at club med, go to the local cat houses, and make good money without being in harms way. If they said the country was peaceful and did not need them, their over paid income would go away. I have an Irish guest here now that just came from the DR and he says it is terrible what they are doing to Sosua. He knows nothing about the Capital.
I have been going to the DR for over 29 years which is just about the same as Haiti. I have been in Haiti maybe 3 to 4 months longer. I own beach land in Nagua. I have watched the beautiful babes grow to over weight money grabbers with the coming of Big Macs and Whoppers. I have seen the Chimi road side venders being replaced with more USA like businesses. Believe me, there is nothing anyone can tell me about the DR that I do not already know. And yes you are correct you can find several babes that are not pros just like in Haiti as I married one of them. I love the DR almost as much as Haiti but I am seeing it becoming more and more Americanized. Now perhaps there are people that want that and if that is true, please stay in the DR and do not come to Haiti and screw it up for people like me that love it just the way it is. The government are in the process of building a board walk in Nagua and they just stole part of my land there and gave a very low price for it compared to offers I had in the past. But this is not even for the government. It is a private company that has convinced the government with a few payoffs that they will increase the tax income by stealing the land and giving it to them. Doesn't this sound a little like the USA.
Sorry if I offended anyone but on the last 3 trips I flew from Miami to the DR mostly what I saw was groups of men with no women. I guess they were going to a fashion show. I am sure there is lots of regular tourism there because of the beaches which are more beautiful than the beaches in Haiti. If you want to go to an Americanized tourist resort then the DR is the place for you. If you want to monger in a country that is filled with hot black babes and not be harrassed by the police, then Haiti is the place to be. So I guess I am inviting only those mongers that love the free land of Haiti. Where you can still drink a beer in the car, pick up hookers on the street , drive without a seat belt, talk on your cell phone while driving, ***** at the police, and the list goes on. If you are from the USA, you just think you live in the land of the free. That exists only in Haiti today.
BB2000
Mercenario
11-04-10, 14:37
Where you can still drink a beer in the car, pick up hookers on the street , drive without a seat belt, talk on your cell phone while driving, ***** at the police, and the list goes on.
BB2000
Yeah, that´s freedom!
Marc Anthony
11-05-10, 17:23
I went back to the beginnings of the forum record when BadBear first started posting, looking at all the threads. I didn't really intend to but I just got into it. It's quite a story told as a sort of fragmentary blog over the last couple years with pictures.
It's BadBear's story, but there are a lot of other players. The complexity of motives makes it unusual and interesting. BadBear is obviously not just trying to make a buck or trying to enhance his own sex life. He loves Haiti and wants to make a life there. He also obviously is well liked by most of the Haitians he deals with because there is no way he could have survived and done what he did any other way. BadBear, the HBO series? I was surprised at what i missed. It's worth going back and reading this forum as a story.
BadBear2000
11-09-10, 13:24
I just had two guys visit me in Haiti that make what I do worth doing. Derekj6926 and Wild Rover. Derek has been to Haiti many times but he admits that this trip was the best he has ever had. He is now planning to move year and stay forever. Wild Rover who has traveled the world looking for the hottest babes has also declared to return and live forever. These guys know how to monger in Haiti. They were on the streets 15 minutes and had enough phone numbers to do a month. They did not know how to handle the girls calling. " Hey Honey" seems to be the Wild Rover's mating call. At 61 years old and still using no viagra, this guy is a smooth talking sex animal.
When these guys left, they were both crying about having to leave and go back to the not so hot babes where they live. If I were any of you guys I would be trying to come to Haiti when they are here if you want to see how real mongers do the job. They made me feel like an amateur.
Derekj6926
11-10-10, 03:05
BadBear your kind words are greatly appreciated, you made us feel right at home and we started having fun, still have numbers to follow up on when I return, the problem is everytime you get a number another lady comes along even more sweet and beautiful than the one before, an endless stream of gorgeous sweet fabulous ladies. I am working on tickets for Christmas, have your wingman ready!
Your right hand man is a great asset to your establishment, what a classy gentlemen he is, I cannot remember his ISG name.
Yes Wild Rover was a trip without leaving home, I enjoyed the time with him and all of you immensely, he is a wealth of information for almost any place in the world you may want to know about and he keeps you laughing all day long with his Wild Rover humor. Wild Rover if you read this give me a call, lets meet me at BadBears for Christmas and we can come back after New Years! (Private Joke)Don't forget the Colgate and the Poodle, LOL!
Unequivocally this was by far the best trip I have ever had to Haiti or anywhere else I have ever been in the world. BadBear you and your people are the best I have ever dealt with, it was like being at home. The food was awesome, Haitian food is the best in the world I think anyway but your cook was fantastic, I just mentioned casually one day one of my favorite dishes and the next day she had it prepared for me, unbelievable. My room was cleaned and had fresh sheets and towels every day which was very nice, being a clean person, that helped make my trip even nicer. I cannot say enough good about how I was treated, it was almost embarrassing how generous and giving you were.
Mexico will not be getting my business anymore after the experience of a lifetime I just had, I thought I knew Haiti but did not know much at all even though I had been to Haiti many times. One week with you BadBear and I learned more than all my previous trips to Haiti combined. Haiti is going to have a new permanent resident soon, Derek is coming to the land of opportunity!
I hope all is well at the BadBear Mansion, please say hello to everyone and let them know I will be back soon.
I just had two guys visit me in Haiti that make what I do worth doing. Derekj6926 and Wild Rover. Derek has been to Haiti many times but he admits that this trip was the best he has ever had. He is now planning to move year and stay forever. Wild Rover who has traveled the world looking for the hottest babes has also declared to return and live forever. These guys know how to monger in Haiti. They were on the streets 15 minutes and had enough phone numbers to do a month. They did not know how to handle the girls calling. " Hey Honey" seems to be the Wild Rover's mating call. At 61 years old and still using no viagra, this guy is a smooth talking sex animal.
When these guys left, they were both crying about having to leave and go back to the not so hot babes where they live. If I were any of you guys I would be trying to come to Haiti when they are here if you want to see how real mongers do the job. They made me feel like an amateur.
BadBear2000
11-10-10, 12:04
When you two guys return, there will be a party the night after when you get all rested up from the trip back. And we will hear "HEY HONEY". This is the mating call of a Wild Rover
BadBear your kind words are greatly appreciated, you made us feel right at home and we started having fun, still have numbers to follow up on when I return, the problem is everytime you get a number another lady comes along even more sweet and beautiful than the one before, an endless stream of gorgeous sweet fabulous ladies. I am working on tickets for Christmas, have your wingman ready!
Your right hand man is a great asset to your establishment, what a classy gentlemen he is, I cannot remember his ISG name.
Yes Wild Rover was a trip without leaving home, I enjoyed the time with him and all of you immensely, he is a wealth of information for almost any place in the world you may want to know about and he keeps you laughing all day long with his Wild Rover humor. Wild Rover if you read this give me a call, lets meet me at BadBears for Christmas and we can come back after New Years! (Private Joke)Don't forget the Colgate and the Poodle, LOL!
Unequivocally this was by far the best trip I have ever had to Haiti or anywhere else I have ever been in the world. BadBear you and your people are the best I have ever dealt with, it was like being at home. The food was awesome, Haitian food is the best in the world I think anyway but your cook was fantastic, I just mentioned casually one day one of my favorite dishes and the next day she had it prepared for me, unbelievable. My room was cleaned and had fresh sheets and towels every day which was very nice, being a clean person, that helped make my trip even nicer. I cannot say enough good about how I was treated, it was almost embarrassing how generous and giving you were.
Mexico will not be getting my business anymore after the experience of a lifetime I just had, I thought I knew Haiti but did not know much at all even though I had been to Haiti many times. One week with you BadBear and I learned more than all my previous trips to Haiti combined. Haiti is going to have a new permanent resident soon, Derek is coming to the land of opportunity!
I hope all is well at the BadBear Mansion, please say hello to everyone and let them know I will be back soon.
Wild Rover
11-12-10, 01:47
I have just returned from 12 nights stay with the BadBear in Port-Au-Prince,
This guy is a gentleman, and indeed all of the household are real nice people,
Thank you BadBear for the kind words and Thank you Derekj6926 for your friendship and all the laughs, "remember Marie in Epi D'or? LOL LOL.
I promise to return as soon as possible, and would advise all fellow mongers to visit Haiti at least once, and experience BadBears hospitality, and experience the beautiful girls, if a monger in Port-Au-Prince cannot find a beautiful chica, then he is not worthy of being called a monger, so many girls
Available everywhere, no need to buy ladies drinks and pay bullshit bar fines,
This is the destination for you if you like smokin hot black chicas, if you are looking for five star comfort, then its not for you, as BadBear says this is the last frontier, so little time left and so much pussy.
Wild Rover
Derekj6926
11-13-10, 03:01
Wild Rover you are one of a kind, I enjoyed your friendship also. Even though it was the first time we met it was like I had known you all of my life. Your experiences are vast Wild Rover and I learned so much from you. I am seriously thinking about spending Christmas with BadBear & Company!
I also must add you are a real natural with the ladies, your come on line to one of the ladies was a real gem, "I am going to eat you", lol. I had so many laughs and treasured times in just seven days, it will take me months to ponder it all. Yes Marie at Epi Dor was a real gem, I hope you were able to call her and make her day with some Colgate and a Poodle lol. I will never forget the skinning the barber gave you, I could not help but appreciate my beautician after I saw what was done to your head, lol.
I woule like to add that in my normal stressful life here in the USA I had not smiled or laughed in months but the moment I returned to Haiti the world lifted off my shoulders in a way that is unexplainable, no where else in the world do I feel this way.
I must say to everyone at BadBear's house; I LOVE YOU ALL! Derek!
I have just returned from 12 nights stay with the BadBear in Port-Au-Prince,
This guy is a gentleman, and indeed all of the household are real nice people,
Thank you BadBear for the kind words and Thank you Derekj6926 for your friendship and all the laughs, "remember Marie in Epi D'or? LOL LOL.
I promise to return as soon as possible, and would advise all fellow mongers to visit Haiti at least once, and experience BadBears hospitality, and experience the beautiful girls, if a monger in Port-Au-Prince cannot find a beautiful chica, then he is not worthy of being called a monger, so many girls
Available everywhere, no need to buy ladies drinks and pay bullshit bar fines,
This is the destination for you if you like smokin hot black chicas, if you are looking for five star comfort, then its not for you, as BadBear says this is the last frontier, so little time left and so much pussy.
Wild Rover
BadBear2000
11-13-10, 16:54
Derek, it is not the lines that Wild Rover uses. It is the mating call. Hey Honey! Since the Wild Rover has left, I have tried it but I just cannot get it down.
Lesson: In case you guys do not know. The Wild Rover is a type of mongering animal that originated in Ireland and migrated throughout the world. They seem to enjoy sex in large quantities without the help of chemicals. If you pass by there sleeping quarters you will hear the screams of their victims and sound of bellys plopping together. You may even hear the slurping sound of someone giving head or muff diving. All I can say is when the victim leaves they are walking funny and seem to have a fixed smile of satisfaction on their face. These creatures are few and far in between.
BB2000
Wild Rover you are one of a kind, I enjoyed your friendship also. Even though it was the first time we met it was like I had known you all of my life. Your experiences are vast Wild Rover and I learned so much from you. I am seriously thinking about spending Christmas with BadBear & Company!
I also must add you are a real natural with the ladies, your come on line to one of the ladies was a real gem, "I am going to eat you", lol. I had so many laughs and treasured times in just seven days, it will take me months to ponder it all. Yes Marie at Epi Dor was a real gem, I hope you were able to call her and make her day with some Colgate and a Poodle lol. I will never forget the skinning the barber gave you, I could not help but appreciate my beautician after I saw what was done to your head, lol.
I woule like to add that in my normal stressful life here in the USA I had not smiled or laughed in months but the moment I returned to Haiti the world lifted off my shoulders in a way that is unexplainable, no where else in the world do I feel this way.
I must say to everyone at BadBear's house; I LOVE YOU ALL! Derek!
Derekj6926
11-13-10, 19:19
That mating call is something I am working on, Wild Rover has it perfected, they are always his when he does "The Mating Call". When Wild Rover makes a move on a lady he is so smooth, just as he is about to close the deal he licks his eyebrows and they always succumb to that, needless to say it is hard to compete with him. BadBear if you remember you put me in the room next to his, the screams, the slurping, the belly smacking, and the moans of exxxtacy were something to be recorded for a school on mongering. I was humbled by his talent, made me feel like an amateur.
If only we could be there for your next party!
Derek, it is not the lines that Wild Rover uses. It is the mating call. Hey Honey! Since the Wild Rover has left, I have tried it but I just cannot get it down.
Lesson: In case you guys do not know. The Wild Rover is a type of mongering animal that originated in Ireland and migrated throughout the world. They seem to enjoy sex in large quantities without the help of chemicals. If you pass by there sleeping quarters you will hear the screams of their victims and sound of bellys plopping together. You may even hear the slurping sound of someone giving head or muff diving. All I can say is when the victim leaves they are walking funny and seem to have a fixed smile of satisfaction on their face. These creatures are few and far in between.
BB2000
Marc Anthony
01-14-11, 19:26
There's a lot of evidence that the delivery of aid to Haiti by NGOs and Governmental agencies is extremely inefficient at best.
The issues have been discussed here before.
Any comments / criticism of the following alternative notion:
A "Negative Lottery"
Arrange through the existing "Association National de Tenaciers de Borlette (ANTB)" which organizes the private Borlette companies that have an a local infrastructure throughout the county of tiny lottery sales stores to administer a special "Negative Lottery".
A Negative Lottery would simply be a lottery that instead of returning 80% or less of money wagered as cash prizes would return more than 100% with the difference being supplied by donated money.
The name is just an adaptation of the "Negative Income Tax" idea proposed by Milton Friedman to use the IRS to replace a lot of the welfare system with just directly transferring money to the poor.
The lottery would be a special lottery with special rules but administered through the existing system. Any lottery can set the wagering rules however it wants and limit betting as it wishes. Bettors can choose to play or not. The Negative Lottery would set rules like the following:
* Only adult women can play. This is taken from the Microfinance banking rules and is based on practical experience that positive social impact is multiplied.
* Players can only buy 1 ticket per drawing. Perhaps a hand stamp.
* Ticket prices apply to several different games or prizes at once.
*Players pick numbers in the same pattern as current games and the winning numbers are the same based on NY state lottery drawings.
* Payouts would be just as if the player had won the existing games.
* Odds and payouts would favor relatively small and frequent prizes. Say the bet is 5 or 10 gourdes the payout might be 1000 or 2000 gourdes, a bigger prize would be no more than 10, 000 or 20, 000 gourdes.
The Negative lottery would be a simple vehicle for injecting cash directly to the people most in need. A bottom up approach. Donated money would be directly given way through a mechanism that's designed to be random and fair at an individual level. But directed to the area or group selected.
The women who win obviously would have more money to spend and in spending it support an organic growth of local business producing a multiplier effect.
The administrative costs would be born by the cash payments of the participants so the system could essentially guarantee that 100% of the money donated would go directly into the hands of the people and since only women participate, would mostly be directly used for food / water / child care necessities (the experience of microfinance).
Marc Anthony
01-14-11, 19:49
+ It could be done in small towns or villages at any scale the donations could support.
+ Lotteries have been used for many governmental purposes. Including the US procedure for granting visas. They are the fairest means of distributing scarce resources.
+ Unlike traditional aid, they are not a handout. No human chooses the recipient, fate does. There is less room for corruption.
+ I suspect that psychologically a lottery win is just a gift of the gods not a degrading handout.
+ Money spent locally by the people themselves does much more to develop permanent economic improvements than stuff shipped in from abroad to give away (which can have the opposite effect killing local suppliers and business).
+ Borlettes exist everywhere in Hait and are trusted (by definition. People wouldn't play otherwise).
If it works, it's a means of providing aid that can absorb a lot of money without wasting most of it on NGO workers riding around in landcruisers.
Lotteries are inherently evolved to combat scams. They assume that everybody is always trying to scam them and evolve methods accordingly.
The Borlette association might well welcome an opportunity to look noble and be very cooperative and work at cost. Wealthier businessmen in the biz might donate services and expertise. It probably wouldn't interfere with their existing game revenues.
Most women in Haiti are poor. The fact that some better off women could also play would have an insignificant effect if tickets were limited to 1 per woman per game.
BadBear2000
01-17-11, 23:51
Johns Hopkins Update a Very Good Article
AFTER YEARS OF TELLING PEOPLE CHEMOTHERAPY.
IS THE ONLY WAY TO TRY ('TRY', BEING THE KEY WORD) TO ELIMINATE CANCER, JOHNS HOPKINS IS FINALLY STARTING TO TELL YOU THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE WAY.
Cancer Update from Johns Hopkins :
1. Every person has cancer cells in the body. These cancer
Cells do not show up in the standard tests until they have.
Multiplied to a few billion. When doctors tell cancer patients.
That there are no more cancer cells in their bodies after
Treatment, it just means the tests are unable to detect the.
Cancer cells because they have not reached the detectable.
Size.
2. Cancer cells occur between 6 to more than 10 times in a
Person's lifetime.
3. When the person's immune system is strong the cancer
Cells will be destroyed and prevented from multiplying and.
Forming tumors.
4. When a person has cancer it indicates the person has.
Nutritional deficiencies. These could be due to genetic,
But also to environmental, food and lifestyle factors.
5. To overcome the multiple nutritional deficiencies, changing.
Diet to eat more adequately and healthy. 4-5 times / day.
And by including supplements will strengthen the immune system.
6. Chemotherapy involves poisoning the rapidly-growing.
Cancer cells and also destroys rapidly-growing healthy cells.
In the bone marrow, gastrointestinal tract etc, and can
Cause organ damage, like liver, kidneys, heart, lungs etc.
7. Radiation while destroying cancer cells also burns, scars
And damages healthy cells, tissues and organs.
8. Initial treatment with chemotherapy and radiation will often.
Reduce tumor size. However prolonged use of.
Chemotherapy and radiation do not result in more tumor.
Destruction.
9. When the body has too much toxic burden from.
Chemotherapy and radiation the immune system is either.
Compromised or destroyed, hence the person can succumb.
To various kinds of infections and complications.
10. Chemotherapy and radiation can cause cancer cells to.
Mutate and become resistant and difficult to destroy.
Surgery can also cause cancer cells to spread to other.
Sites.
11. An effective way to battle cancer is to starve the cancer.
Cells by not feeding it with the foods it needs to multiply.
*CANCER CELLS FEED ON:
A. Sugar substitutes like NutraSweet, Equal, Spoonful, etc are made.
With Aspartame and it is harmful. A better natural substitute.
Would be Manuka honey or molasses, but only in very small.
Amounts. Table salt has a chemical added to make it white in.
Color Better alternative is Bragg's aminos or sea salt.
Be. Milk causes the body to produce mucus, especially in the.
Gastro-intestinal tract. Cancer feeds on mucus. By cutting.
Off milk and substituting with unsweetened soy milk cancer.
Cells are being starved.
See. Cancer cells thrive in an acid environment. A meat-based.
Diet is acidic and it is best to eat fish, and a little other meat,
Like chicken. Meat also contains livestock.
Antibiotics, growth hormones and parasites, which are all.
Harmful, especially to people with cancer.
The. A diet made of 80% fresh vegetables and juice, whole.
Grains, seeds, nuts and a little fruits help put the body into.
An alkaline environment. About 20% can be from cooked.
Food including beans. Fresh vegetable juices provide live.
Enzymes that are easily absorbed and reach down to.
Cellular levels within 15 minutes to nourish and enhance.
Growth of healthy cells. To obtain live enzymes for building.
Healthy cells try and drink fresh vegetable juice (most.
Vegetables including bean sprouts) and eat some raw.
Vegetables 2 or 3 times a day. Enzymes are destroyed at.
Temperatures of 104 degrees F (40 degrees C).
E. Avoid coffee, tea, and chocolate, which have high.
Caffeine Green tea is a better alternative e and has cancer.
Fighting properties. Water-best to drink purified water, or.
Filtered, to avoid known toxins and heavy metals in tap.
Water. Distilled water is acidic, avoid it.
12. Meat protein is difficult to digest and requires a lot of.
Digestive enzymes. Undigested meat remaining in the.
Intestines becomes putrefied and leads to more toxic.
Buildup.
13. Cancer cell walls have a tough protein covering. By.
Refraining from or eating less meat it frees more enzymes.
To attack the protein walls of cancer cells and allows the.
Body's killer cells to destroy the cancer cells.
14. Some supplements build up the immune system.
(IP6, Florescence, Essiac, anti-oxidants, vitamins, minerals,
EFAs etc.) to enable the body's own killer cells to destroy.
Cancer cells. Other supplements like vitamin E are known.
To cause apoptosis, or programmed cell death, the body's.
Normal method of disposing of damaged, unwanted, or.
Unneeded cells.
15. Cancer is a disease of the mind, body, and spirit.
A proactive and positive spirit will help the cancer warrior.
Be a survivor. Anger, un-forgiveness and bitterness put.
The body into a stressful and acidic environment. Learn to.
Have a loving and forgiving spirit. Learn to relax and enjoy.
Life.
16. Cancer cells cannot thrive in an oxygenated.
Environment. Exercising daily, and deep breathing help to.
Get more oxygen down to the cellular level. Oxygen
Therapy is another means employed to destroy cancer.
Cells.
1. No plastic containers in micro.
2. No water bottles in freezer.
3. No plastic wrap in microwave.
Johns Hopkins has recently sent this out in its newsletters. This information is being circulated at Walter Reed Army Medical Center as well. Dioxin chemicals cause cancer, especially breast cancer. Dioxins are highly poisonous to the cells of our bodies. Don't freeze your plastic bottles with water in them as this releases dioxins from the plastic. Recently, Dr Edward Fujimoto, Wellness Program Manager at Castle Hospital, was on a TV program to explain this health hazard. He talked about dioxins and how bad they are for us. He said that we should not be heating our food in the microwave using plastic containers. This especially applies to foods that contain fat. He said that the combination of fat, high heat, and plastics releases dioxin into the food and ultimately into the cells of the body. Instead, he recommends using glass, such as Corning Ware, Pyrex or ceramic containers for heating food. You get the same results, only without the dioxin. So such things as TV dinners, instant ramen and soups, etc, should be removed from the container and heated in something else. Paper isn't bad but you don't know what is in the paper. It's just safer to use tempered glass, Corning Ware, etc. He reminded us that a while ago some of the fast food restaurants moved away from the foam containers to paper The dioxin problem is one of the reasons.
Please share this with your whole email list. . .
Also, he pointed out that plastic wrap, such as Saran, is just as dangerous when placed over foods to be cooked in the microwave. As the food is nuked, the high heat causes poisonous toxins to actually melt out of the plastic wrap and drip into the food. Cover food with a paper towel instead.
This is an article that should be sent to anyone important in your life.
BadBear2000
01-19-11, 06:51
I would like everyone to know why I posted this and why I love Haiti so much. It is not only the land of beautiful loving women but I was also dying of cancer in 2000 and came to Haiti because I had a doctor here that I trusted more than any. He saved my life and the way the people I always thought were my friends proved to me my thoughts were true. After losing from 275 lbs to 185 lbs in 6 weeks I knew I was on my way out the back door but thanks to a friend and very good doctor, I have been cancer free now for almost 11 years. Haiti has more to offer than just the best women in the world. So if you are thinking of retiring and moving to Haiti but are worried about health care. Thank no more, I will introduce you to some doctors that are real doctors and not equipment readers.
Johns Hopkins Update a Very Good Article
AFTER YEARS OF TELLING PEOPLE CHEMOTHERAPY.
IS THE ONLY WAY TO TRY ('TRY', BEING THE KEY WORD) TO ELIMINATE CANCER, JOHNS HOPKINS IS FINALLY STARTING TO TELL YOU THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE WAY.
Cancer Update from Johns Hopkins :
1. Every person has cancer cells in the body. These cancer
Cells do not show up in the standard tests until they have.
Multiplied to a few billion. When doctors tell cancer patients.
That there are no more cancer cells in their bodies after
Treatment, it just means the tests are unable to detect the.
Cancer cells because they have not reached the detectable.
Size.
2. Cancer cells occur between 6 to more than 10 times in a
Person's lifetime.
3. When the person's immune system is strong the cancer
Cells will be destroyed and prevented from multiplying and.
Forming tumors.
4. When a person has cancer it indicates the person has.
Nutritional deficiencies. These could be due to genetic,
But also to environmental, food and lifestyle factors.
5. To overcome the multiple nutritional deficiencies, changing.
Diet to eat more adequately and healthy. 4-5 times / day.
And by including supplements will strengthen the immune system.
6. Chemotherapy involves poisoning the rapidly-growing.
Cancer cells and also destroys rapidly-growing healthy cells.
In the bone marrow, gastrointestinal tract etc, and can
Cause organ damage, like liver, kidneys, heart, lungs etc.
7. Radiation while destroying cancer cells also burns, scars
And damages healthy cells, tissues and organs.
8. Initial treatment with chemotherapy and radiation will often.
Reduce tumor size. However prolonged use of.
Chemotherapy and radiation do not result in more tumor.
Destruction.
9. When the body has too much toxic burden from.
Chemotherapy and radiation the immune system is either.
Compromised or destroyed, hence the person can succumb.
To various kinds of infections and complications.
10. Chemotherapy and radiation can cause cancer cells to.
Mutate and become resistant and difficult to destroy.
Surgery can also cause cancer cells to spread to other.
Sites.
11. An effective way to battle cancer is to starve the cancer.
Cells by not feeding it with the foods it needs to multiply.
*CANCER CELLS FEED ON:
A. Sugar substitutes like NutraSweet, Equal, Spoonful, etc are made.
With Aspartame and it is harmful. A better natural substitute.
Would be Manuka honey or molasses, but only in very small.
Amounts. Table salt has a chemical added to make it white in.
Color Better alternative is Bragg's aminos or sea salt.
Be. Milk causes the body to produce mucus, especially in the.
Gastro-intestinal tract. Cancer feeds on mucus. By cutting.
Off milk and substituting with unsweetened soy milk cancer.
Cells are being starved.
See. Cancer cells thrive in an acid environment. A meat-based.
Diet is acidic and it is best to eat fish, and a little other meat,
Like chicken. Meat also contains livestock.
Antibiotics, growth hormones and parasites, which are all.
Harmful, especially to people with cancer.
The. A diet made of 80% fresh vegetables and juice, whole.
Grains, seeds, nuts and a little fruits help put the body into.
An alkaline environment. About 20% can be from cooked.
Food including beans. Fresh vegetable juices provide live.
Enzymes that are easily absorbed and reach down to.
Cellular levels within 15 minutes to nourish and enhance.
Growth of healthy cells. To obtain live enzymes for building.
Healthy cells try and drink fresh vegetable juice (most.
Vegetables including bean sprouts) and eat some raw.
Vegetables 2 or 3 times a day. Enzymes are destroyed at.
Temperatures of 104 degrees F (40 degrees C).
E. Avoid coffee, tea, and chocolate, which have high.
Caffeine Green tea is a better alternative e and has cancer.
Fighting properties. Water-best to drink purified water, or.
Filtered, to avoid known toxins and heavy metals in tap.
Water. Distilled water is acidic, avoid it.
12. Meat protein is difficult to digest and requires a lot of.
Digestive enzymes. Undigested meat remaining in the.
Intestines becomes putrefied and leads to more toxic.
Buildup.
13. Cancer cell walls have a tough protein covering. By.
Refraining from or eating less meat it frees more enzymes.
To attack the protein walls of cancer cells and allows the.
Body's killer cells to destroy the cancer cells.
14. Some supplements build up the immune system.
(IP6, Florescence, Essiac, anti-oxidants, vitamins, minerals,
EFAs etc.) to enable the body's own killer cells to destroy.
Cancer cells. Other supplements like vitamin E are known.
To cause apoptosis, or programmed cell death, the body's.
Normal method of disposing of damaged, unwanted, or.
Unneeded cells.
15. Cancer is a disease of the mind, body, and spirit.
A proactive and positive spirit will help the cancer warrior.
Be a survivor. Anger, un-forgiveness and bitterness put.
The body into a stressful and acidic environment. Learn to.
Have a loving and forgiving spirit. Learn to relax and enjoy.
Life.
16. Cancer cells cannot thrive in an oxygenated.
Environment. Exercising daily, and deep breathing help to.
Get more oxygen down to the cellular level. Oxygen
Therapy is another means employed to destroy cancer.
Cells.
1. No plastic containers in micro.
2. No water bottles in freezer.
3. No plastic wrap in microwave.
Johns Hopkins has recently sent this out in its newsletters. This information is being circulated at Walter Reed Army Medical Center as well. Dioxin chemicals cause cancer, especially breast cancer. Dioxins are highly poisonous to the cells of our bodies. Don't freeze your plastic bottles with water in them as this releases dioxins from the plastic. Recently, Dr Edward Fujimoto, Wellness Program Manager at Castle Hospital, was on a TV program to explain this health hazard. He talked about dioxins and how bad they are for us. He said that we should not be heating our food in the microwave using plastic containers. This especially applies to foods that contain fat. He said that the combination of fat, high heat, and plastics releases dioxin into the food and ultimately into the cells of the body. Instead, he recommends using glass, such as Corning Ware, Pyrex or ceramic containers for heating food. You get the same results, only without the dioxin. So such things as TV dinners, instant ramen and soups, etc, should be removed from the container and heated in something else. Paper isn't bad but you don't know what is in the paper. It's just safer to use tempered glass, Corning Ware, etc. He reminded us that a while ago some of the fast food restaurants moved away from the foam containers to paper The dioxin problem is one of the reasons.
Please share this with your whole email list. . .
Also, he pointed out that plastic wrap, such as Saran, is just as dangerous when placed over foods to be cooked in the microwave. As the food is nuked, the high heat causes poisonous toxins to actually melt out of the plastic wrap and drip into the food. Cover food with a paper towel instead.
This is an article that should be sent to anyone important in your life.
Cunning Linguist
01-19-11, 11:33
I have written about Haitian politics in the past, especially on the Sosúa thread, much to the annoyance of some people there, but there has been a weird development that might either be a sign of things coming to a peaceful end or the beginning of a nasty civil war and a nasty civil is very bad for those wishing to visit Haiti, not just for the locals!
The ex-dictator Jean-Claude Duvalier has unexpectedly returned. Just google his name. He was the nit-witted scion of a particularly outrageous dictatorship. Many people have actually said that under the Duvaliers, there was peace, prosperity, and jobs. In a way, this was true, but the same could have been said for the Hitler regime until September. 1939. It is estimated some 50, 000 people were murdered by Duvalierist state terrorism (Papa Doc started his reign of terror in 1957 and it ended with his son, Baby Doc, aka Jean-Claude Duvalier). The poor peasants were horribly oppressed by the Tonton Macoute paramilitia. Of course, in the way that Haiti is today, just about anything is better than current conditions, even a cruel, sadistic regime seems like a palatable alternative to the mess now but that is beside the point.
The Haitians are now so desperate that many of the young people, too young to remember the Duvalier massacres, are hopeful that peace and order will come. In the meantime, the USA, Canada and France are trying to force upon what remains of the Haitian Government, elections results of a fatally flawed election. To begin with, the electoral board appointed by René Préval, left out the Fanmi Lavalas party even though they usually get nearly three quarters of the vote. Then, on November 28, only 28% of the population actually voted (some could not, others could. Many, many times). The ridiculous results are easy to find on the internet: stuffed ballot boxes, ballots strewn in the street, etc. Préval only wanted his man, Jude Célestin to win. Even under these conditions, it was not possible and so the "election result" was decided beforehand: Mirlande Manigat, the former wife of a Rightwing President and Jude Célestin. Michel Martelly, a former pro-Duvalierist singer came just behind Célestin, barely. So barely, that it was suspicious (that in a count that was beyond suspicion, to put it ironically). Even more ironically, both Manigat and Martelly denounced the election as a fraud until they were told that they were leading after which they withdraw their denunciations. Shocking hypocrisy!
Now the USA, Canada and France, through the OAS (Organization of American States) , is trying to force Célestin out and Martelly (the weird singer) in so that there can be a runoff between Marigat and Martelly.
The US et al will have their way though Préval is resisting. Enter Baby Doc Duvalier. Now it is seen by some that there are two possibilities:
1. France, in league with the US and Canada, is bringing pressure on Préval to cave in or be whisked away like Arisitide was.
2. Préval (a former anti-Dulvalierist activist) is bringing back Duvalier and has made a deal with the former playboy dictator to confuse things and muck things up for the OAS. It might even be a ploy to bring back the 600 pound gorilla of Haitian politics: Jean-Bertrand Aristide. Indeed, if a former dictator with rivers of blood on his hands can come back, why not a democratically elected and still extremely popular president? And one twice elected by overwhelming majorities at that? (and twice removed by the Bushes, not by constitutional mandate). Indeed, there is no reason why Arisitide should not return. Wikileaks has revealed that the US has been doing everything in its power to prevent his return even though, in theory, all Haitians have to right to return to their country. The hypocrisy is so mind-blowing that I get hot and bothered about it all.
Some even say that bringing back Duvalier will trigger off a kind of civil war, thereby justifying the UN forces (who, up to now, are not maintaining peace but just protecting the cruel, greedy rich Haitian elite from the numerous, ravenous masses who are very pissed off).
Before, I recommended the site www.haitian-truth.org But they have recently shown their true colours: they are just as pro-Duvalierists as they are anti-Préval. (They also don't seem to like BadBear very much either from what I have read).
www.haitiananalysis.com And www.margueritelaurent.com Are better sources than people like haitian-truth. Org who can justify the unjustifiable (such as: the statute of limitations on Duvalier's many, many crimes have run out and so, well hell, let him go)
All in all, this is going to result in horrendous political upheaval and I am hoping that the ticket to Haiti I have bought will not have been bought for nothing. The shit is ready to hit the fan in Haiti. I hope that I am dead wrong but the storm clouds of bloody conflict are gathering.
Member #4351
01-19-11, 16:13
IMHO some countries are not ready for USA styled "democracy" and once we have imposed it, everything goes down the tubes. Haiti, Iraq and Palestine are excellent examples. Unfortunately, some cultures function better under dictatorships. The "Haitian Truth" website which did a witch hunt article on BadBear complete with posts from Feminazi NGOs, and other parasites as well as threatening him with physical harm shouldn't even be mentioned on this forum. The "moderator" of the forum conveniently erased any posts supporting BadBear. Just another website trying to make money from the misery of the Haitian people.
Nutty Smith
01-19-11, 16:18
BB,
Thanks for your article and your own personal story.
NS
John Magellan
01-19-11, 21:52
Guys in this day and age please verify before posting crap.
Just do a google search for "Cancer Update from Johns Hopkins" and you will find a lot of pages reporting this HOAX! Following is just a sample.
Johns Hopkins Kimmel Cancer Center.
Office of Public Affairs.
March 2007.
EMAIL HOAX REGARDING CANCER.
An email falsely attributed to Johns Hopkins describing properties of cancer cells and suggesting prevention strategies has begun circulating the Internet. Johns Hopkins did not publish the email, entitled 'Cancer Update from Johns Hopkins, ' nor do we endorse its contents. For more information about cancer, please read the information on our web site or visit the National Cancer Institute's web site at.
www.cancer.gov.Another hoax email that has been circulating since 2004 regarding plastic containers, bottles, wrap claiming that heat releases dioxins which cause cancer also was not published by Johns Hopkins. More information.
Cunning Linguist
01-19-11, 23:02
IMHO some countries are not ready for USA styled "democracy" and once we have imposed it, everything goes down the tubes. Haiti, Iraq and Palestine are excellent examples. Unfortunately, some cultures function better under dictatorships. The "Haitian Truth" website which did a witch hunt article on BadBear complete with posts from Feminazi NGOs, and other parasites as well as threatening him with physical harm shouldn't even be mentioned on this forum. The "moderator" of the forum conveniently erased any posts supporting BadBear. Just another website trying to make money from the misery of the Haitian people.David 33, you're spot on regarding the "website", I couldn't have expressed it better. However, I take the greatest possible exception to your position on democracy or US style democracy. In Haiti.
Just read Peter Hallward's "Damming the Flood" and you will understand why the Haitian people have not "been ready" for democracy. Were it not for the interference, occupation, and bullying by the US (not to mention the bitter war of independence with France and the ruinous reparations forced upon them) , Haiti would be in a much better situation today. The latest so-called elections, financed by the US, have been such a sham, so patently manipulated than even the poorest, most uneducated Haitian can see through the fraud. The Haitians deserve a properly organized election with transparent voting and internationally supervised. Unfortunately, this is impossible at present because the people just might not vote for the US style dream of sweatshop economy paying near starvation wages (three dollars a day?). In any free election, Aristide would win hands down and Aristide, despite his many faults, would always be popular in Haiti. Otherwise, bring him back and let the people vote him out. The hypocritical US government is very much against that because they know Aristide will always win and they can't control him.
No David, Haitians deserve genuine democracy, not a shameful and painfully obvious attempt at going through the motions of having "elections". I really fail to see how anyone could not wish for there to be free, transparent and honest elections in Haiti unless they want to maintain the cruel but untenable status quo by brute force (the tradition). If Manigat, Martelly, or Celéstin are forced upon the Haitian people in a hamfisted manoeuvre, it will be a very weak government. This is the 21st century and the Haitian elite can no longer trample the poor majority with their jackboots as they have in the past. Even the US will eventually have to give way to the inevitable.
By the way, Iraq and Palestine are wholly different examples. Iraq is split into three different religious and / or ethnic groups. The West Bank is merely a collection of a patchwork of bantustan islelets being strangled by an Israel-controlled sea.
I urge you to read up on the history of Haiti. It is tragic and full of the worst kinds of injustices.
Member #4351
01-20-11, 23:19
Cunning Linguist,
I am not as well read on the subject as you are; so I only have my own experience to go on. I set up a factory employing more than 120 Haitians, giving them medical care and vitamins as well as their wages. This was when Baby Doc was in power. The factory was a small one located in one of the many booming industrial parks near the airport. One could walk the streets at any time with no risk of being robbed. Kidnapping was unknown. The happiness of the population was hard to understand. Everywhere one went the Haitians were smiling and laughing. Maybe they were being forced to behave this way by the dictator. There wasn't an NGO four wheel drive vehicle to be seen. Yes, whenever it started getting cold in the USA and Canada, the missionaries would arrive and be seen eating in the five star restaurants. I think this is typical missionary behavior.
You certainly have more faith in "genuine democracies" than I do. As one who lives in a developing country it is easy to see that a population which is uneducated will not be able to discern between what would be best for the country and simple populism. I would postulate that if this earthquake had happened in China, all the rubble would have been removed within weeks.
Anyway, I don´t want to get into an argument with you. We can just agree to disagree. Maybe I am just a cynic. By the way, I missed you by very little on my last trip to LOS and Giotto couldn`t say enough good things about you. I hope our trips to wherever coincide in the near future.
Cunning Linguist
01-21-11, 01:20
Cunning Linguist,
I am not as well read on the subject as you are; so I only have my own experience to go on. I set up a factory employing more than 120 Haitians, giving them medical care and vitamins as well as their wages. This was when Baby Doc was in power. The factory was a small one located in one of the many booming industrial parks near the airport. One could walk the streets at any time with no risk of being robbed. Kidnapping was unknown. The happiness of the population was hard to understand. Everywhere one went the Haitians were smiling and laughing. Maybe they were being forced to behave this way by the dictator. There wasn't an NGO four wheel drive vehicle to be seen. Yes, whenever it started getting cold in the USA and Canada, the missionaries would arrive and be seen eating in the five star restaurants. I think this is typical missionary behavior.
You certainly have more faith in "genuine democracies" than I do. As one who lives in a developing country it is easy to see that a population which is uneducated will not be able to discern between what would be best for the country and simple populism. I would postulate that if this earthquake had happened in China, all the rubble would have been removed within weeks.
Anyway, I don't want to get into an argument with you. We can just agree to disagree. Maybe I am just a cynic. By the way, I missed you by very little on my last trip to LOS and Giotto couldn`t say enough good things about you. I hope our trips to wherever coincide in the near future. I think we have more in common than this civilized discussion might show. You would be a great person to have a beer with and shoot the bull.
I can understand where you are coming from but I would like to point out that the only saving grace of the Duvaliers' regimes was that there was actually a functioning Haitian state unlike now. There was a Haitian government that had undisputed control over Haitian territory albeit with American permission. The Americans lost their accustomed direct control after things got out of hand in the late 1980's (too much killing, slaughter) and elections were forced upon them. Things really got out of control when their well-funded man unexpectedly lost to an unknown slum priest who, with little money, knew how to organize things at the grass roots level. The only way to counteract a wildly popular government that, for the first time, actually did some things for the poor (more education, legalization of the Vodou religion, recognition of Creole as an official language) was to weaken the Haitian state. By forcing the Haitian state to sell off its assets, by depriving it of funds through the IMF, by destroying Haitian agriculture by allowing massive imports of subsidized US rice, the underpinnings of the Haitian state started to give way. Aristide, to his credit, abolished the hated and useless Haitian Army (set up the by US before the US occupation ended in 1934) but, ironically, this proved to be doing away with the most visible form of the Haitian state. NGOs started to play a great role and after Aristide's kidnapping by US Navy Seals on February 29, 2004, NGOs increased like hyperactive bacteria on a piece of especially succulent meat in the tropical sun. Today, there is little left of the Haitian State, especially after the earthquake. It has little revenue and controls little within its territory. In this Republic of NGOs that do little for the Haitian people with chaos being the norm, it is small wonder that even a washed-up vampire such as Baby Doc would be seen in a relatively favourable light by the younger Haitians, tired of the miserable status quo which shows no sign of ending soon.
The only way that the Haitian state will ever be reinstituted will be when there is a stable government that has the support or at least acceptance by a majority of the people (in the November 28 2010 election only 28% participated) , not an unpopular regime that only serves to prop up the 11 Haitian families that control 90% of the economy and which comes as a result of Mickey Mouse elections. Most of the 16, 000 blood-sucking NGOs will have to go and the Haitian government should be the one in charge of schools, building roads, rebuilding Pňtoprens, etc. Maybe this is pie in the sky but that is what I hope for.
Thus, in view of that there is a possibility that what I envision is, indeed, pie in the sky, I agree to disagree but I still hope for the best. We think we could agree that we both wish only the very best for the Haitian people.
IMHO some countries are not ready for USA styled "democracy" and once we have imposed it, everything goes down the tubes. Haiti, Iraq and Palestine are excellent examples. Unfortunately, some cultures function better under dictatorships. The "Haitian Truth" website which did a witch hunt article on BadBear complete with posts from Feminazi NGOs, and other parasites as well as threatening him with physical harm shouldn't even be mentioned on this forum. The "moderator" of the forum conveniently erased any posts supporting BadBear. Just another website trying to make money from the misery of the Haitian people.Witnessing those around me, I can't help but think most people are not compatible with democracy. As a student, I am losing faith in the idea of democracy and populism by the day.
Is it possible to be an individualist for me and a collectivist for society at the same time? Perhaps, I am doomed to hypocrisy.
Dirk49
BadBear2000
01-24-11, 06:22
i was recently asked by a member how to start a house like i had in haiti and this was my answer.
i really do not worry about what these idiots say as far as legal actions. i had a bed and breakfast and many girls would ask me to let them know and invite them to pool parties we had before the earthquake. the bed and breakfast never made any money. it more or less paid the expenses and that was fine as i can live comfortably on my social security. i would spend my own money with occasional donations from the guest to pay for the pool parties. i never made any money off the girls. i love this country and thought it would help if i could bring in foreigners that did not mind contributing some finances to these girls. i also thought that they may tell friends about the people and how easy it was to fall in love with people in general.
just imagine, you are a twenty year old girl with a two year old baby you can barely feed and some guy is introduced to you that may pay for the food to feed your child, may even start supporting you and your child, or even marry you and take you away to a different life. all you have to do is sleep with him and charm him. by the way, i have been able to get 3 of these girls married and several more enjoying regular western union support. if the no good ngos do not like this, let them give the girls other types of jobs.
i have been called a pimp. if that is the case then every night club that offers lady's night is a pimp. what they do is give free drinks and admittance to the girls so the guys will come. now if a person is so naive as to think the guys come to the club just to drink and talk they have to be pretty stupid.
anyway, before the b&b started making money, the earthquake came and made the house practically unlivable and for a few weeks i took in guests like doctors that could help the people. they stayed free until i had to move.
i then rented a house at the beaches that had electrical and plumbing problems for a very good price with understanding i would get all the problems solved. i did this but after 6 months the land lord decided they did not want to rent anymore. i learned later that she just wanted to get much more rent money than i was paying but since there is a law in haiti that you can only increase the rent 10% at the end of each rental peroiod she just found it easier to lie to me. now after 6 months she still has nobody renting the house. there is justice.
i then agreed to help a lady and her father start a b&b and bring customers to their house. i keep the house with wireless internet and electrical assistance. for this i get free rent.
i started to go after the asshole on that website and expose him for the phony he is but i just decided to let it die. however, if he goes any farther with his bullshit i will dedicate the rest of my life keeping him in court rooms until he has no more money.
if you want to start a house like this, i could help you but remember you would only be able to make money off the house rental and food as you will make nothing off the girls. you will suddenly feel like a father to them and feel responsible for them. a pimp in haiti would go broke as these girls are too willing to give it away just in an effort to find a permanent boyfriend or husband.
and now my two cents on baby doc. i lived in haiti during the baby doc era and to be honest it was much better than it is now. he was not that bad. reagen, who i have learned to hate, should have had baby doc's wife and father-in-law taken out. they were the bad apples in that family. baby doc was controllable. now, you hear all the bad stories about his secret police. some were bad and some were very good. just like the law enforcement in the good old us of a. i once worked for a branch of the government that actually investigated law enforcement of all levels. i worked under cover and if some of the people i helped bust knew my real name would probably try to delete me now. but since i have had cancer twice and almost died the second time if it had not been for a very good doctor and friend, i figure cancer will get me before those low lifes.
the usa has screwed haiti time after time as many of our government officials still consider these wonderful people as their personal slaves. i have grown to love this country and the people in it. i am even about to settle down and marry. i have been married three times and this girl is more of a wife to me than any of the others. i consider myself a lucky man.
my opinion from what i have heard about the oas, the un, and the usa is they are afraid their man will not get elected so they cannot continue to pull the strings. they need a new election free of the usa and any other country. this is haiti's election and should only involve the haitian people. if i was prevail at this time, i would invite the leaders of china, russia, cuba, iran, and any other country that has problems with usa to help him and then go back to the usa and say if your donation has strings that will put a choke on our country, keep your money. if the economy in the us keeps going they will need all the money they can get themselves as our wonderful politicians have let the large corporations [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) the us just as the us has raped haiti in the past.
and for all you isg members, i have no fear of these jerk offs from that screwed up website harming me. and for any of you ngo's that are spying on this site, i am now gathering information and proof of the ngo's that are actually doing good and the ones that are just vacationing on donations. for the ones that are just screwing the haitian people and stealing the donations, i am about to get their funds cutoff.
i could say so much more here but out of the respect for those that are not really interested in haitian politics, i will stop here. what i am doing is this. i invite all you guys to come to haiti, sample it, be patient, and find the love of your life. good evening.
bb2000
I could say so much more here but out of the respect for those that are not really interested in Haitian politics, I will stop here. What I am doing is this. I invite all you guys to come to Haiti, Sample it, be patient, and find the love of your life. Good evening.
BB2000I just want to be clear: are you saying that you no longer have accommodations available for mongers who want to come to Haiti, or are you saying that you can arrange accommodations with the guy you are working for?
I deeply regret not coming to Haiti earlier, because it looks like it is just too dangerous to come right now or in the immediate future, until the political situation gets straightened out. From the perspective here in the US, it looks like Haiti might be on the verge of civil war.
Cunning Linguist
01-25-11, 01:31
I just want to be clear: are you saying that you no longer have accommodations available for mongers who want to come to Haiti, or are you saying that you can arrange accommodations with the guy you are working for?
I deeply regret not coming to Haiti earlier, because it looks like it is just too dangerous to come right now or in the immediate future, until the political situation gets straightened out. From the perspective here in the US, it looks like Haiti might be on the verge of civil war. My understanding is that Badbear will be helping people out either at the B&B or his own place for quite a while. As for the situation in Haiti right now, it does seem dicey (the sinister State Dept. Advises against all travel to Haiti at the moment but then they always exaggerate things) but I am hopeful that it will be better in a few months if not sooner.
The USA insisting on outlandishly bullshit results from patently bullshit elections in order to install easy-to-handle bullshit puppets will be vigorously opposed by the overwhelming majority of the Haitian people, make no doubt about that. There will be a lot of violence if the US government tries to push its way back to how they used to run things. Don't forget that Haitians overthrew much worse (the Duvaliers). I honestly hope that Aristide will somehow come back and, with time, there will be stability in Haiti based on the consensus of the majority wretched poor (98%) , not based the jackboot of the USA military and their wicked tiny Haitian elite allies.
Yep, Badbear, God bless him, is right, Haiti does get to you. The Haitians are wonderful people. I am patient, have sampled it, and found very nice people there, not just great girls. God, I love Haiti.
....the sinister State Dept. Advises against all travel to Haiti at the moment but then they always exaggerate things....This is nothing new. The State Dept. Has had a travel advisory on Haiti for years, just as it has on Colombia, which in most places is perfectly safe. Their "advisories" should always be taken with more than a grain of salt.
Glad to hear BB is still in the hosting business. I still plan to visit Haiti. Sometime.
BadBear2000
01-25-11, 22:16
I help the people with the B&B. We still do the airport pickup and advise any way possible to make your stay in Haiti a rememberable one. At this time, most of the BS the US state department is putting out is just that "BS" I have heard that Jude may be pulling out just to ease the tension. I personally wish he would not but I think he cares enough about the country that he does not want there to be too much violence. We will see.
Cunning Linguist
01-26-11, 00:26
I help the people with the B&B. We still do the airport pickup and advise any way possible to make your stay in Haiti a rememberable one. At this time, most of the BS the US state department is putting out is just that "BS" I have heard that Jude may be pulling out just to ease the tension. I personally wish he would not but I think he cares enough about the country that he does not want there to be too much violence. We will see.Hi Badbear!
While I am sure Mr. Celestin does care for the country, I think that if he does bow out it is because the US State Dept. Decided that his mentor Preval had gone too far. Prevail has generally caved into the Americans on everything but he has drawn a line in the sand with his protege Celestin and has not played ball with the Americans. They are not amused and won't take no for an answer. They are really putting the pressure on Preval with all kinds of threats. Celestin bowing out will make it easy for the Americans to put someone they can control. Now either candidate in the runoff of the grossly unfair election is acceptable to Washington. They are in a hurry to set up a new Haitian Army to beat down restive masses who deeply resent their loss of sovereignty. Setting up said army has priority over any kind of rebuilding.
BadBear2000
01-29-11, 13:48
Celestine, even though Prevail and his party are asking him to bail out, has not done so at this time. The people in Haiti do not even know the people running for the office. I was at a market place yesterday and asked some people who they wanted to be president. They said Sweet Mickey. I asked them if they knew anything about him and they admitted they did not but their friends were for him so they decided to be for him. They knew nothing about any of the 3 candidates but when I asked them which would they prefer. A friend of the elite, a friend of drugs, or a friend on Haiti, they wanted to know more.
Member #4351
01-29-11, 16:36
Democracy in action.....
Celestine, even though Prevail and his party are asking him to bail out, has not done so at this time. The people in Haiti do not even know the people running for the office. I was at a market place yesterday and asked some people who they wanted to be president. They said Sweet Mickey. I asked them if they knew anything about him and they admitted they did not but their friends were for him so they decided to be for him. They knew nothing about any of the 3 candidates but when I asked them which would they prefer. A friend of the elite, a friend of drugs, or a friend on Haiti, they wanted to know more.Celestin being the friend of drugs, right? Celestin's people were paying for votes, with many of the people taking the money and turning around to vote for Martelly. He claims he got his engineering degree at a university in Switzerland that says they don't have any record or him attending the school. He represents more of the same. There is documented evidence of ballot stuffing in his favor, and in the favor of other UNITE candidates throughout Haiti. I recommend visiting www.haitipolicy.org Where actual scanned tally sheets can be seen showing how the fraud was committed. Any man who attempts to orchestrate such massive fraud against their people is no friend of Haiti.
BadBear2000
01-30-11, 22:08
And where do you live? I have known Jude since he was a kid. And even though he is close to Prevail he has some very good ideas. Why do you think the US wants him out. Its because he will not roll over and play dead for them. Have you seen Sweet Micky drop his pants on the stage? Is that what you would want to represent your country? I may ask again, where do you live? (What country?)
Also, there is proof that the OAS did not follow the rules either. And do not get me wrong. There probably was some ballad stuffing from all sides. I do know that all the money spent to get Jude elected did not come from him. I keep insisting the party in power thinks he will follow with old ideas. He has a whole new agenda. By the way, myself being an engineer, can assure you that he is a very good engineer.
I think there should be a completely new election with representatives from all the parties being present to observe. I mean after all, was it not the governor of Florida that let his brother steal the election from Gore. So there is no way you can ever really trust any party without all parties being present. And even then the representative of one party may get bought off by another. Come on now. Do you really believe there is any honest politicians. in the world. I hope you are smart enough to say no. You can only pick the lesser of the evils.
Now if you know Jude personally any you know of bad things he has done, please inform me.
Celestin being the friend of drugs, right? Celestin's people were paying for votes, with many of the people taking the money and turning around to vote for Martelly. He claims he got his engineering degree at a university in Switzerland that says they don't have any record or him attending the school. He represents more of the same. There is documented evidence of ballot stuffing in his favor, and in the favor of other UNITE candidates throughout Haiti. I recommend visiting.
www.haitipolicy.org
Where actual scanned tally sheets can be seen showing how the fraud was committed. Any man who attempts to orchestrate such massive fraud against their people is no friend of Haiti.
Charles Pooter
02-03-11, 03:21
Also, there is proof that the OAS did not follow the rules either. And do not get me wrong. There probably was some ballad stuffing from all sides. I do know that all the money spent to get Jude elected did not come from him. I keep insisting the party in power thinks he will follow with old ideas. He has a whole new agenda.
Now if you know Jude personally any you know of bad things he has done, please inform me. If he was not personally involved in ballot rigging then it means it transpired without his knowledge and he was just a puppet for more influential and ruthless people. Either way hardly a great recommendation to be President.
In either case he is now permanently contaminated and should do the decent thing. If he really is a competent and honest administrator there will endless other opportunities to serve his country.
Cunning Linguist
02-03-11, 11:49
If he was not personally involved in ballot rigging then it means it transpired without his knowledge and he was just a puppet for more influential and ruthless people. Either way hardly a great recommendation to be President.
In either case he is now permanently contaminated and should do the decent thing. If he really is a competent and honest administrator there will endless other opportunities to serve his country. The real decent thing would be to cancel the whole sham election and start all over, allowing all parties to participate. The US is trying to have two rightwing candidates on the runoff ballot so that, whoever wins, will do the US government's bidding. The site that Lagocache mentions is one supported by the incredibly feudal, brutal, and evil Haitian elite, namely the Boulos clan. Eventually, the elite, US and other lovers of the untenable, wicked status quo will have to deal with the overwhelming Hatian masses who make up nearly all of the population but have been marginalized for 200 years. Egypt and Tunisia show that a people's movement is possible in this age of communication, even in the face of well-entrenched dictatorships. Even Haiti has Cell phones and links, however tenuous, to the outside world via the Internet.
BadBear2000
02-05-11, 02:56
Well, I guess everyone knows by now that the good old US of A forced Celestine out of the race. Sweet Mickey, who likes to drop his pants on stage, and a 70 year old ex-first lady granny are now the candidates for the presidential position. I give either of them less than 2 years in office. I don't think the old grandma will win because Sweet Mickey has sold the people in Haiti on the idea he is going to lower the price of rice and get them free education. Now before you say anything. I have lived off and on in this country for almost 30 years."IT AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN" First of all, when all of this money starts rolling into Haiti, it is not going to be the Haitians that will get it. It is going to be the many NGO contractors. The streets are already full of them and it is going to get worse. They will give a few Haitians jobs but they will be paying them along the same wages as the elite have in the past. Just enough to get by on, maybe. I can tell you what is going to happen. When the hotels, the restaurants, the grocery stores, the landlords, etc see all this money coming it, they will raise the prices so it will be even harder for the locals to survive. When Sweetie Pie or Grandma sees what is happening, they will either have heart attacks or get run out of the country by the same rioting people that got Sweetie Pie in the runoff by scaring the people into believing that is what they need. I just love to hear the people that come in to Haiti driving their $80, 000 vehicles, living in their $4000 monthly houses, eating at the most expensive restaurants, and literally taking over the streets tell everybody what Haiti needs when they have only been here a few days, weeks, or months. But there is another possibility that you can bet on. And that is, many of these NGOs will go home broke because they have no idea how to run a business in Haiti. You don't run down to the local Home Depot or Lowes and grab a tool or a part. You don't drive to work in a predetermined time period. Be prepared for the unexpected. But just about the time you think you have figured it out, there will be a strike, a hurricane, or maybe even another earthquake. And every time I see one leaving the country with his tail tucked between his tail, I will laugh along with many more old timers. Many of these old timers will be the ones that help them go broke by overcharging them for the little things they need but forgot to get in the US. Have a nice day.
The real decent thing would be to cancel the whole sham election and start all over, allowing all parties to participate. The US is trying to have two rightwing candidates on the runoff ballot so that, whoever wins, will do the US government's bidding. The site that Lagocache mentions is one supported by the incredibly feudal, brutal, and evil Haitian elite, namely the Boulos clan. Eventually, the elite, US and other lovers of the untenable, wicked status quo will have to deal with the overwhelming Hatian masses who make up nearly all of the population but have been marginalized for 200 years. Egypt and Tunisia show that a people's movement is possible in this age of communication, even in the face of well-entrenched dictatorships. Even Haiti has Cell phones and links, however tenuous, to the outside world via the Internet.
Cunning Linguist
02-06-11, 19:09
Well, I guess everyone knows by now that the good old US of A forced Celestine out of the race. Sweet Mickey, who likes to drop his pants on stage, and a 70 year old ex-first lady granny are now the candidates for the presidential position. I give either of them less than 2 years in office. I don't think the old grandma will win because Sweet Mickey has sold the people in Haiti on the idea he is going to lower the price of rice and get them free education. Now before you say anything. I have lived off and on in this country for almost 30 years."IT AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN" First of all, when all of this money starts rolling into Haiti, it is not going to be the Haitians that will get it. It is going to be the many NGO contractors. The streets are already full of them and it is going to get worse. They will give a few Haitians jobs but they will be paying them along the same wages as the elite have in the past. Just enough to get by on, maybe. I can tell you what is going to happen. When the hotels, the restaurants, the grocery stores, the landlords, etc see all this money coming it, they will raise the prices so it will be even harder for the locals to survive. When Sweetie Pie or Grandma sees what is happening, they will either have heart attacks or get run out of the country by the same rioting people that got Sweetie Pie in the runoff by scaring the people into believing that is what they need. I just love to hear the people that come in to Haiti driving their $80, 000 vehicles, living in their $4000 monthly houses, eating at the most expensive restaurants, and literally taking over the streets tell everybody what Haiti needs when they have only been here a few days, weeks, or months. But there is another possibility that you can bet on. And that is, many of these NGOs will go home broke because they have no idea how to run a business in Haiti. You don't run down to the local Home Depot or Lowes and grab a tool or a part. You don't drive to work in a predetermined time period. Be prepared for the unexpected. But just about the time you think you have figured it out, there will be a strike, a hurricane, or maybe even another earthquake. And every time I see one leaving the country with his tail tucked between his tail, I will laugh along with many more old timers. Many of these old timers will be the ones that help them go broke by overcharging them for the little things they need but forgot to get in the US. Have a nice day.The USA has always been trying to block it but the inevitable is happening. Aristide is coming back. It is shameful that another country should try to block someone from returning to his or her own country but this is the case. In this day and age, the Internet is able to shine light on situations and areas that were out of the limelight. The shame election is so obvious. The exclusion of the main party (Fanmi Lavalas) , the outrageous ballot stuffing, the outlandish lack of organization in running the sham election, and the not-so-surprising extremely low voter turnout. Préval did what he could to get his man in, Célestin. In the cooked up results, Célestin got a bit more than Haiti's answer to Palin: Martelly. Célestin is apparently a bit harder to manipulate than Martelly or Manigat and so the USA suddenly became concerned. To add insanity to the madness, the USA then got spooked at the shennanigans and demanded that the will of the Haitian people be heard (they were unconcerned when the largest party by far was barrred, hmmmm). They wanted to rightwing singer to replace Célestin but he would not budge. Even Hillary Clinton took time out from the crisis in Egypt to browbeat the Haitians into submission. Eventually, it is said that the Electoral Board booted Célestin off the ticket and now there will be a runoff on March 20 (maybe?). The problem is, only 4 out of the 9 members of the Board (CEP) have signed the document, meaning, in theory, nothing has happened, at least legally. That won't stop the good ol' USA govt. No sir.
Enter Aristide. Even though the USA has plenty of power, soldiers, weapons, connections, they are mortally fearful of Aristide. If Aristide comes back, the sham election will essentially be untenable, but then again, in all my postings, I have always stated that we are living in the 21st century and somehow, some way, the immense majority of the Haitian people will have to be accomodated. This is no longer like it was a hundred years ago. Like Aristide or not, he has the backing of the vast majority of the people and there is no getting around it. He will prevent a new Haitian Army from being formed, a main concern of the Americans and French who need a forced to beat down the wretched masses who demand something better than 3 dollars a day in wages.
Badbear, I sure hope this situation is better come summer. What do you think?
Here is a link to some of what I have been talking about.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/05/haiti-former-president-aristide-vows-return
Mezami funny to hear this politics here. Cunny I'm afraid you don't really know titid and haitian politics. I personall was his supporter 1986 elections. For a social change democracy and justice. He was hope. Them came the koudeta of the armi+oligarchi, he was a threat to them and their wealth yes, but he managed poorly the social change we were building, and left us with the paramilitary macoutes / frpah kiiling here. Then he goes WDC. Defroke (no more a priest). Marries a lady of the bourgeoisie. Signs with IMF and world bank (killed ti paysan la ribonit) then come back a US army helicopter. Paranoia to get another koudeta: gives guns and drug trafficking rigths to the groups of poor unemployed in the slums. They become his protection, the zinglindos ratpakaka. Then he establish his power on their terror. And got removed partly because of them (he killed the brother of a gonaives chief gang, remember, he ignited the fighting). He killed, sacked or intimidated all the militants who were real ones fighting for social justice. Not the bourgeoisie / oligarchy. He became on of of them. Her killed our hope.
Like Aristide or not, he has the backing of the vast majority of the people and there is no getting around it. He will prevent a new Haitian Army from being formed, a main concern of the Americans and French who need a forced to beat down the wretched masses who demand something better than 3 dollars a day in wages.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/05/haiti-former-president-aristide-vows-return
BadBear2000
02-07-11, 04:52
cl. most of what you say is true. there is one thing you do not know. sweet mickey has become the favorite of the poor because just like aristide, he is lying to them. he is telling them he will lower the price of rice and get free education for the poor. this is not going to happen because the elite does not want this to happen.
however, i came with a group of guys with a plan and the backing of the black caucus in the us several years ago to install wind turbines off the coast near cape haitian. they were ready to give haiti electricity 24-7 but aristide wanted $5, 000, 000 to sign the papers. if i had not been with these people and know this for a fact, i would have thought he was the savior for haiti. also, he use to beat his wife and prevail would have to go to aristides home and calm him down. even his own secretary told a very good friend of mine how he wanted to f__ __k her all the time. even described his penis to him. so just to set the record straight he was no savior but you are right. he is a good speaker and sold the people. just like reagon did when he convinced the people of the us he was all for the poor and middle class while de-regulated the banks, airlines, insurance companies, oil companies, utilities. this is why they can screw the people anyway now. his speeches were always about how we don't want government in these things. well he was wrong, i agree i do not want government to own them but they need to regulate them.
the usa has always been trying to block it but the inevitable is happening. aristide is coming back. it is shameful that another country should try to block someone from returning to his or her own country but this is the case. in this day and age, the internet is able to shine light on situations and areas that were out of the limelight. the shame election is so obvious. the exclusion of the main party (fanmi lavalas) , the outrageous ballot stuffing, the outlandish lack of organization in running the sham election, and the not-so-surprising extremely low voter turnout. préval did what he could to get his man in, célestin. in the cooked up results, célestin got a bit more than haiti's answer to palin: martelly. célestin is apparently a bit harder to manipulate than martelly or manigat and so the usa suddenly became concerned. to add insanity to the madness, the usa then got spooked at the shennanigans and demanded that the will of the haitian people be heard (they were unconcerned when the largest party by far was barrred, hmmmm). they wanted to rightwing singer to replace célestin but he would not budge. even hillary clinton took time out from the crisis in egypt to browbeat the haitians into submission. eventually, it is said that the electoral board booted célestin off the ticket and now there will be a runoff on march 20 (maybe?). the problem is, only 4 out of the 9 members of the board (cep) have signed the document, meaning, in theory, nothing has happened, at least legally. that won't stop the good ol' usa govt. no sir.
enter aristide. even though the usa has plenty of power, soldiers, weapons, connections, they are mortally fearful of aristide. if aristide comes back, the sham election will essentially be untenable, but then again, in all my postings, i have always stated that we are living in the 21st century and somehow, some way, the immense majority of the haitian people will have to be accomodated. this is no longer like it was a hundred years ago. like aristide or not, he has the backing of the vast majority of the people and there is no getting around it. he will prevent a new haitian army from being formed, a main concern of the americans and french who need a forced to beat down the wretched masses who demand something better than 3 dollars a day in wages.
badbear, i sure hope this situation is better come summer. what do you think?
here is a link to some of what i have been talking about.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/05/haiti-former-president-aristide-vows-return
Cunning Linguist
02-07-11, 13:11
Mezami funny to hear this politics here. Cunny I'm afraid you don't really know titid and haitian politics. I personall was his supporter 1986 elections. For a social change democracy and justice. He was hope. Them came the koudeta of the armi+oligarchi, he was a threat to them and their wealth yes, but he managed poorly the social change we were building, and left us with the paramilitary macoutes / frpah kiiling here. Then he goes WDC. Defroke (no more a priest). Marries a lady of the bourgeoisie. Signs with IMF and world bank (killed ti paysan la ribonit) then come back a US army helicopter. Paranoia to get another koudeta: gives guns and drug trafficking rigths to the groups of poor unemployed in the slums. They become his protection, the zinglindos ratpakaka. Then he establish his power on their terror. And got removed partly because of them (he killed the brother of a gonaives chief gang, remember, he ignited the fighting). He killed, sacked or intimidated all the militants who were real ones fighting for social justice. Not the bourgeoisie / oligarchy. He became on of of them. Her killed our hope.Actually, I have come to see ISG as a great place to understand what is going on in other countries besides the usual angling for women. The very best discussions I have read about Thai politics has been on the Thai politics thread, believe it or not. Of course, some idiots blather but there are some sharp guys with deep intellect and an inside perspective who write there.
As for your posting, of course, I beg to disagree. First of all, Aristide was elected in the 1990 elections and so you couldn't have been a supporter of his in 1986 (I don't know if there were elections in 1986 but there were disastrous ones in 1987 with massacres of voters).
You glossed over the Aristide years to the point of distortion. First of all, Aristide is no angel. He is no candidate for sainthood and he has many flaws. Perhaps my postings make me out to be a fanatical supporter of Aristide but I am not.
In any case Arainmain, Aristide was forced to sign disastrous accords with the IMF as one of Clinton's conditions of bringing him back to power. Secondly, when Aristide disbanded the hated but useless Haitian Army and demanded that France pay back the money they fleeced Haiti with for reparations at the loss of their slaves (true story. 90, 000, 000 gold francs) , the US and France decided that he had to go. The US blocked all funds to the Haitian government. Look it up. Read about it. It is all documented. Haiti even had to pay interest on funds promised but not delivered. Even in face of this embargo, Aristide still built more schools than had ever been built in Haiti. The USA also started funding thugs (e. G. Guy Phillippe, etc.) and launched them from the Dominican Republic. The group wreaked havoc in the north but they were unable to come down and take the capital. That is when Aristide was kidnapped. To be sure, the Aristide had its share of corruption and its share of thugs (chimčres, etc.). However, it still pales in comparison with other regimes. Many more people were killed after Aristide's ouster (s) than during his time in office, that is for sure.
Now, imagine yourself as a typical Haitian peasant, say, Janjak Tousen Boukman. He is not Jean-Jacques Toussaint Boukman because he speaks no French. He has no education, denied to him by the system that condemns him to poverty (3 dollar a day jobs will do that, that is, if you can find a job). He has been reduced to serfdom in his own country. Until Aristide, his language was ignored, his religion tolerated but not recognized. He was always subjected to arbitrary arrest or execution if he objected to the harsh conditions. He was unable to run away as all doors are closed to him (though some did make it out).
Along comes a priest who, for the first time, speaks up for those in his condition. To be sure, all the politicians always talked about making Haiti prosperous but everyone know that was impossible as they only sought to continue the status quo. Aristide railed against the status quo. He spoke directly to the common people. His organization also developed a grassroots organization that, for the first time, brought the underprivileged together.
Aristide came very late in the political campaign of 1990 but won by a landslide in the first, verifiably free vote. The US was taken aback as well as the elite. JanJak saw that his language was official, at least symbolically and Vodun marriages were recognized. Then came the first coup d'état against Aristide led by Bush sr.. Janjak and his like were singled out for murder. It got so bad that even the US was forced to bring Aristide back. Aristide then did away with the Haitian Army which was a masterstroke since it broke the back of the brute force used by the US and their allies to beat down the people. In the meantime, chaos was sown Bush Jr.'s adminstration to weaken Fanmi Lavalas the movement. The Group of 184 (of the elite, by the elite and for the elite) was set up to oppose Aristide's bid to do something for people like Janjak. Of course, there was corruption. The government was without money thanks to the US imposed financial embargo. There were also thugs that cloaked themselves in Aristide's colours and wreaked havoc. Nevertheless, the Americans were forced to send a Navy SEALS team to whisk Aristide out of the country (and to the Central African Republic, a protectorate of France, thereafter to South Africa) since Aristide was rather uppity and refused to resign. He was unafraid of Guy Phillippe's armed thugs and so, in the opinion of the Americans and French, something had to be done.
However, Janjak and people like him remember that Aristide at least tried and that the French and Americans (and Canada) did everything to oppose any change in the system that leaves him in grinding poverty. What alternative is there for Janjak? Seriously, Aristide might be a flawed, corrupt politician, a horny one at that, but what alternative is there for Janjak? Janjak knows why Aristide cannot return (the Americans and French) and that makes him want Titide (Aristide) to come back even more. Janjak sees all the efforts to stymie himself. His political party is banned. That is why only 22% of the people came out to vote in the sham elections. Janjak might be illiterate and uneducated but he is very aware politically though often ready to sell out for a bag of beans. Why did so few people turn out for the November 2010 elections? The earthquake is not the only reason. If Aristide's period in office was so terrible, so full of terror, why is it that the elite and the US are so afraid of him coming back? Baby Doc was far worse and yet no one is afraid of the likes of him. It is obvious because the Janjaks of Haiti would vote him back in with an ample majority. By acclamation, not by forcing the people.
I have talked to the girls I had in Haiti and every one of them was a strong supporter of Aristide. You can tell it in their eyes and as I speak Kreyol, at least enough to get by comfortably, they opened up to me about it. They were happy and surprised that I conditionally supported him as well. It was surprising for them as absolutely all of the whites I have met in Haiti, I mean ALL of the whites, are strongly against Aristide as well as those who have money.
However, for Janjak, there is no alternative. Janjak's vote is his only weapon against a rapacious elite who despises (and fears) people like him Perhaps, for Janjak, it is a choice between a bad disease and death but most people choose life after all. Aristide is seen as the best of the bad options. As 98% of Haitians are in the same boat as Janjak, their will, not Washington's or the elite in Pétionville's, must be respected if there is to be a durable peace in Haiti. Manigat and Martelly are said to representative of 6. 5 and 4. 5% of the voters respectively. Can a stable government be formed on such a basis? Ask Janjak in his flea-bitten, fly-blown, leaky hovel with no prospects of escaping his predicament. And thus with nothing to lose. If things don't change, things are going to explode if there is no chance of a real solution to the mess there.
One final note. Haitians see themselves as a people in struggle. It is an integral part of their history. Unlike the other revolutions that brought independence, their struggle was more intense, much more brutal, much more revolutionary. This is in their historical memory, in their very psyche. You see it on their money. You see it in their names. All of them know who the heroes of the Haitian Revolution were. They are resigned to struggle against oppressors. They are not as docile as many others in the area and are fiercely proud of themselves in spite of their poverty. Haitians are NOT Latin Americans. They are transplanted Africans with a warrior spirit. Perhaps this is why a hapless, penniless, powerless, helpless but fearless Haiti intimidates even a powerful Washington. They might set a bad example for the rest of the Caribbean and beyond if they thumb their noses at Washington.
Cunning Linguist
02-08-11, 00:04
Aristide now has a passport according the Australian Broadcasting Company, aka ABC over there. Now things are looking interesting as he can now return any time.
Here is the link.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/02/08/3132656.htm?section=world
US conservatives don't like the idea of his coming
http://blog.heritage.org/2011/02/07/dont-let-aristide-wreck-haitis-future-again/
Me thinks this will definitely affect mongering there for a while.
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