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MonterreyDude

01-29-10, 19:07

Amnesia
Considered to be the first formal SC in Monterrey, made to cater expensive tastes. Used to have tons of foreign girls (from Argentina, Old Europe, even American strippers), but this was back in the 90's.
Mayor setback is that Amensia is so expensive, that SCs in the US seem cheap when compared to it.
And we are talking here tabs that might go into the 300 dlls range just to get a woody.
Getting a dancer to provide sex at Amnesia is virtually impossible unless you are willing to fully open your wallet and say goodby to 500 dlls (plus the rest of the tab).
Amnesia offers 2 shifts. Afternoon shift has a lunch buffet, but it is more expensive that those offered by 5 star clubs Obsession and Prestige.
The main problem here is that girls get their money via dances. They don't get commisions for getting drinks so the girl might just walk up to you and ask for a dance where you are sitting. Just up front, no small talk, no foreplay, no nothing.

Premiere

Colorados

(I'll be right back to fill up the blank spaces)

MonterreyDude

01-30-10, 19:15

Premiere
This one is the little BIG brother to Amnesia.
Premiere is BIG, enormous and "luxurious".
Set on top of a regular restaurant, I might dare say that this club is bigger than most or all of the clubs in the US boasting 2 sets of stages and a private third area as big as Amnesia its self.
But, only when they were the novelty in Monterrey were they able to fill it up.
And expensive as hell.
5 years ago I payed 90 dlls in dances to one of my GF for a BJ so you can considere price wise what goes on here. And she was a friend, dunno how much the girls in general charge for services.
Never tried asking, since I know guys here pay up to 10's of thousands of pesos in one night.
Also has 2 shifts, but the afternoon shift is not even worth mentioning.
One personal opinion here: Bad location that has hurt their business.
Premiere is set too way north of Colon ave (this road divides the dowtown area of Monterrey to the north) and at night the drive is kind of "I don't like it".
Not that it is dangerous by itself, but it is a little far away to get there and a little complicated to get back home since you have to take secluded streets to get to the main one to return to Monterrey proper.
Same thing here as in Amnesia: everything is based on dances, lap dances or private dances.
Girls opt for dances instead of drinks for commisions.

Colorados
Colorados is the ugly duckling of the Amnesia organization.
Set to the south of Monterrey, believe me, I haven't set foot there never.
It is at the edge of a residential disctrict so it makes it harder for me to justify my presence if am seen in the area.
Only thing I can tell you of this place is that it's as expensive as Amnesia, operates as Amnesia and has almost shut down twice for lack of customers.
Seems it has improved a little, but not that much to place itself above being a blip on the radar.

Strike 69

01-30-10, 23:12

One of the aspects I like in Monterrey Strip Clubs is that you can easily find many full service clubs (you can sex with the strippers in exchange of $$$ and leave satisfied afterwards) unlike in other large cities such as Guadalajara. In Guadalajara's club's is rare to find attractive taiboleras who will have sex in exchange of money (this is more common in high end clubs there such as the Golden Club or the Mens's Club), so basically in GDL strip clubs is like going to a restaurant but without the eating aspect, you see the menu and the dishes but you cannot eat. In the other hand in Monterrey's club you can have a lot of fun (and sex) with hot taiboleras if you know where to go.

Amigomio it would be nice if you write about the Prestige, Obession, Poisson and of course the Infinito and Harem.

MonterreyDude

01-31-10, 21:42

Obsession

Set a little towards the North of Colon Ave on Guerrero St., this club with brother Prestige head the next notch down in class of strip clubs in Monterrey.
Owned by the same family that owns Presitge, Harem, Bahamas and Casino, Obession is not as pricey as Amnesia nor Premiere, but that doesn't stop them from being expensive.
The club boasts a manifest of 40 girls on the night shift, quite good looking array of girls and what distinguishes Obsession (and all clubs going down in class) is that they don't hide the fact that hanky-panky goes on here.
Back to expensive. Yes, and it is, cause this one has several "VIP" areas for customers wishing to be in private with his girls.
Starting with the regular parlor rooms that go for around 2500 pesos for an hour (plus what the girl drinks, usually a bottle of Boone's wine, plus what she will charge) going up to a Jacuzzi room, with of course, a Jacuzzi that will set you with a 5500 pesos tab (plus extras).
Believe me this sounds expensive, but it is cheap compared to Amnesia and Premiere.
By the way, I was informed that Obsession is allowing girls to leave the premises if you pay a bar fine of 4500 pesos (plus her charges).
Personally am not exited on this, but it is a first for this club. They never offerd girls to go out with customers.
Obsession also offers an afternoon shift and a lunch buffet.
Prices are a little cheaper for everything offered at night.

Prestige
This club is considered the flagship of the family business.
Both Obsession and Prestige are atractive to the eye, but Prestige offers several VIP options for customers that Obession does not have, like bigger parlors and a big salon for parties.
It's slightly more expensive than Obsession, more like 20% cause the brother that owns this business thinks he is offering top notch quality.
Prestige also offers a lunch buffet.

One note on both Prestige and Obsession: One thing in common on both business and the same goes to Premiere, Amnesia and Colorados, is that the girls working here will be die hard, experienced, and above average age girls.
Yes, you will find young 18-21 year old girls, but they will be blocked out by the veteran pros whose ages are on the 25 range.
And even then those 18-21 will be tough girls that will not fall for the first customer that shows them the money.
They will go for the money, though.

On both Prestige and Obsession, girls will press you for drinks, some in an agresive manner, some in a more subtle way, but the end is always drinks so they can make their quota, which means their salary plus commisions.
Girls will always preffer bottles (Boone's wine) or jarras (pitchers) cause they can drink them in a wink of an eye, aided by the ever present waiter that will keep filling up the glass so the girl will drink faster.
Of course if the girls get as an added extra a VIP room, well that means more money for them.

This is one thing to remember, all GT and 5 star clubs, the girls are requiered to finish their drinks in the time lapse it takes for 2 songs to play.
If you manage to make friends with the girls, they will take a slightly longer time to gobble their drinks down, but the ever present waiter will be there to get the drink of the table before she finishes it.

On a personal note: I have seen customers at Prestige and Obsession pay over $350,000 pesos (for ease of exchange rate, make it 35 grand). Stay like 12-18 hours at the Jacuzzi or VIP rooms, get several girls at the same time or spread the girls over the span of his stay, so you can get an idea of how much money goes into the business.

Strike 69

02-01-10, 03:29

Amnesia

http://www.amnesiamonterrey.com/

Metrópolis Premier

http://www.premiermonterrey.com/

Prestige

http://www.prestige.com.mx/

Obession

http://obsessionvip.com/inicio.php

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Monterrey-Mexico/Obsession-Vip/61005220165 (Obsession's facebook page)

They seem to be updating the above websites and they look good

Super Gato

02-01-10, 04:15

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Monterrey-Mexico/Obsession-Vip/61005220165 (Obsession's facebook page)

The blondes in the facebook page don't seem like they work there. Yes, there's blonde haired blue-eyed Mexicanas, but does Obsession really have a Rolling Rock Beer sign in it? And tineye.com's view of the photo indicates the girls originally had the Sport By Brooks logo on their shirts. Stuff like that makes me wonder if any of the photos are real.

MonterreyDude

02-01-10, 08:28

Well called SG.
Of course they don't work there.
The girls in blue, they work only promting the club on the streets, they don't work inside the club.

That's why I don't post the websites, they are so out dated... they boast pictures like 3 years old by now.
Or none at all.

And the promos are only valid for the lunch buffet, which by the way, turn out to be the regular prices they offer at the hostess desk.

Of course you can get an idea of the place... but sincerly speaking, anyone going out there during the night shift will tell they were had.

Which Strike, by getting ahead and posting the websites, kinda blows what I was going to mention in a separate post: Be on the lookout for scams.

The blondes in the facebook page don't seem like they work there. Yes, there's blonde haired blue-eyed Mexicanas, but does Obsession really have a Rolling Rock Beer sign in it? And tineye.com's view of the photo indicates the girls originally had the Sport By Brooks logo on their shirts. Stuff like that makes me wonder if any of the photos are real.

MonterreyDude

02-01-10, 08:45

I seldom if never, recomend the GT clubs or the 5 star clubs at all to any monger coming from the US.

Maybe if they want to get to know the expensive clubs, I will point them out, but usually mongers coming to the city will go via taxi to them and that is the begining of the end of a happy night.

Taxi drivers going taking customers to the clubs will get a 50 peso per head kickback... and guess who pays said kickback???

And this is for the afternoon shift... the night shift, wow.
Its open season for any guy out of town that arrives via taxi to one of the SCs.

For example, the promotional ticket at the Facebook site, says plainly in Spanish: Not valid if arriving on taxi.

First at Amnesia and Premiere the cover charge will be 50 pesos higher than usual.
Coaxed by the guys in charge, the girls sitting with the Americanos will order on the spot double drinks (250 pesos each) and of course and unsuspecting customer will not have the time or the nerve to ask how much they cost.

Unospongebob during his first visit to Monterrey, was squeezed out of 400 dlls in 30 minutes at Poisson (on the next SC post) and he never noticed WHEN or WHY he was charged so much.

And believe me, no one will weep for you if you are ripped off, nor will they will lower the tab when you tell them you didn't order such and such for the girls.

Another thing: NEVER EVER PAY WITH A CREDIT CARD!!!!

In a few words: You have been warned.

Member #3453

02-01-10, 21:53

Well, lets be accurate...

And, by my stressing the "rest of the story," I don't want to take anything away from what Amigomio is stressing here. But...

It was, more accurately, actually $500 smackers...as in dolares, not pesos. But, it was over about a two hour period, and that included full service with two girls in the privados, plus a few drinks each. And, that was, after all, 10-12 years ago, before I had been formerly introduced to Amigomio.

I remember that particular night was raining cats and dogs outside. So, the clubs in general were relatively empty of clients, especially the high end clubs. I recall the girls were especially "eager" to do their jobs well that night.

I remember receiving the bill, and realizing that I did not have enough cash to cover the tab. But, I did have plastic. There was a 7/11 with an ATM across the street in those days, and I recall the management sending a bouncer with me to collect the money I owed them, they apparently believing that I would bolt and run were they to permit me outside the establishment without an escort...imagine that...who me? Oh, they were perfectly cordial about accompanying me, but it was quite obvious they were not letting me out of their sight.

I remember going outside, bouncer at my cuff, dodging huge puddles of water in la calle, he trying to follow me closely, like handcuffs, as I lept over monster lakes of water in the middle of la calle. Monterrey does not handle rainy weather well at all...trust me.

I remember stepping into a big puddle of water on the way across the street to the ATM. My entire body was already drenched by sheets of rain, my clothes soaked to the core, and now both socks totally and completely submerged in the cold rain of Monterrey, puddles full of grey, dirty "agua mineral." And, I can only imagine that the bouncer endured the same fate. Simply put, the entire roadway was a lake.

I think I only needed about $75 to make up the difference owed on my bill, but they were not about to give me an opportunity to establish my own discount by fleeing the scene. :-) And, believe me, at that cost, I would have run screaming loudly and never returned.

To this day, I have been back there only once, several years later. My attitude upon my single return was as hard as a rock, like squeezing blood out of a turnip, quite a different "pigeon" than on my second visit to Monterrey. I guess I haven't been back there now for probably at least 7 or 8 years. However, if they have a good buffet, I might be coaxed back there Amigomio...Is the food any good? What is the cover? What are the girl drink prices again?

$250.00 per hour was something that happened to someone else. I don't even know that guy at Poisson at this juncture...

"His" first visit to Poisson was literally "his" second visit to Monterrey. Please understand, "his" first visit to Monterrey was so titillating, and "his" anticipation was running so high on "his" second visit, having been away from Monterrey for only a month, but an entire month to stew over that fine exquisite, but far to illusive, irresistible sensual quality, that "he" was open to almost anything..."He" was so charged up for what might be attainable that "he" all but lost control of "his" senses with respect to cost.

After all guys, the prospect of experiencing such bliss in the USA was so foreign a concept to "him" at that time, a relative newbie, that "he" virtually begged them to take "his" money...Ahhhhhhhhhhhh, the prospect of total and completely ignorant bliss, bliss gladly enjoyed at almost any cost.

But, to be fair, girls of that quality in the US at that time would have been at least $500-$1000 per hour. Still, I was mortified at the realization of such costs as time progressed, and as my experience in Monterrey, and across the Globe, grew to maturity. That's when I started to develop a mercenary attitude toward my "cost per hour" theories. Even as I am presently nauseated by my utter disgust at the high cost of such folly, I am consoled by the realization that the "clueless guy" went out happy...ignorance is bliss, verdad?

But, in fairness toward their victim, compared to US standards, which is all he had to compare at the time, it would still have been a relative bargain at $250.00 per hour. However, compared to my current, best hourly routine scenarios, it was $230.00 per hour too high. :-) ;-)

I relate the details of "his" story to support Amigomio's warnings. Gringos, especially depraved newbie Gringo visitors to the HIGH END clubs of Monterrey, are at such a huge and significant disadvantage with respect to their "resistance" to such exquisite stimuli, that they must be especially vigilant, lest they be fleeced to the inth degree.

Unospongebob during his first visit to Monterrey, was squeezed out of 400 dlls in 30 minutes at Poisson (on the next SC post) and he never noticed WHEN or WHY he was charged so much.

MonterreyDude

02-02-10, 07:25

Reno

This one is also part of the the Amensia family, located right across the Radisson Ancira in the downtown hotel district.
Located on a basement, it isn't that big or classy as the other brother clubs.

And this one is one hell of a tourist trap.

Expensive and offering not quite that good selection of girls if compared to what other high end clubs might offer.
Why? simply because action for the girls is not that good.
Not visited by many customers with money makes it a not ver intersting option for the girls to go after.

I do know as a fact the there are nice looking girls, but not that many.
Same as in Amnesia and Premiere, they are agresive so they can earn their quota.

Has 2 shifts, afternoon offers lunch.

This time am including the website:

http://www.renomonterrey.com/

MonterreyDude

02-06-10, 20:27

These are YouTube videos that might help you get a glimpse of both Amnesia and Premiere SCs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZLEMZrnS8A&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abycwt_Oe_A&feature=related

Strike 69

02-08-10, 18:00

I heard this girl was called "Marlene" from the Poison, she was in a TV show contests called "Señorita Table Dance", back in 2004 I never saw her in live action (I wasn't in MTY at the time) so I cannot confirm the information, but in the video she has a couple of big muscled legs and ass to die for. I wonder if Amigomio knew her before she appeared in TV.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63WgLHSnazk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUDrMiMBTF8

MonterreyDude

02-09-10, 08:30

I knew her briefly way back then.
Funny thing is she went from charging 1000 pesos to 5000 pesos a gig just for getting 3rd place at Señorita Table Dance.

Before being "famous", she and her cousin Kelly did a crazy tour and went to the Matehuala SC (when Matehuala ruled) just to get extra money.

Wow!!! 6 years ago. LOL.

By now, I have lost complete track of her.

I heard this girl was called "Marlene" from the Poison, she was in a TV show contests called "Señorita Table Dance", back in 2004 I never saw her in live action (I wasn't in MTY at the time) so I cannot confirm the information, but in the video she has a couple of big muscled legs and ass to die for. I wonder if Amigomio knew her before she appeared in TV.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63WgLHSnazk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUDrMiMBTF8

Mextexman

02-13-10, 19:00

I was at my favorite el infinito about 3-4 montha ago and there was a girl that looked just like marlene there, along with the same police outfit. In fact, the girl was even better looking than marlene. Just my dos centavos.

Strike 69

06-09-10, 17:04

Monterreydude when you'll have time; can you please write a description about what to expect in the Poisson?? similar as what you wrote about the 5 stars clubs.

This would be somewhat an intermediate option between low end and high end strip clubs in Monterrey, and my experience there is not as extensive as the one you have.

Strike 69

07-25-10, 05:19

Infinito Strip Club Facebook

http://es-la.facebook.com/pages/Monterrey-Mexico/INFINITO-MENS-CLUB/111853842890

Strike 69

07-25-10, 05:38

The Harem also has a Facebook

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Monterrey-Mexico/Harem-Mens-Club/44912997719

Strike 69

07-25-10, 05:41

A youtube ad video of the Casino strip club:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FXAWfJfG4M

MonterreyDude

08-31-10, 21:00

Video on Metropolis/Premiere

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abycwt_Oe_A

MonterreyDude

08-31-10, 21:01

Video of Amensia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZLEMZrnS8A

MonterreyDude

08-31-10, 21:03

Video of Poisson Mens club

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtQPAcmcpHA

Sorry am late Strike... Poisson is slightly more expensive MC than the likes of Harem, Casino, Pasarelas.
Though they boast girls over par than those found at said MCs, turns out the girls might be the same.

And let's say for example, dances go for 50 pesos at the Madero Ave clubs.
They will be 100 at Poisson.

Drinks for the girls might be 110 at the Madero Clubs, at Poisson the tab would be 140-50 pesos... and so on.

MonterreyDude

09-01-10, 20:46

This one's located right across the Ancira hotel in the dowtown hotel district area

http://www.renomonterrey.com/

Expensive a big brother Amnesia.

Strike 69

09-04-10, 14:31

MonterreyDude

09-04-10, 17:59

Must be around 1500 - 1800 for 30 - 45 minutes.
I think 1 hour goes for 2000 pesos at Poisson.

Thanks, one question what is the average price to expect to pay in the Poisson for full service (sexo) ?? I mean the cost of the privado that includes full service inside the club??

Strike 69

09-07-10, 00:45

Subforum with comments on the Infinito (Spanish only):

http://purotablemonterrey.wordpress.com/2010/02/28/el-infinito/#comments

Pran San

11-10-10, 16:18

Hi,

I will be visiting MTY last week of Jan. I am exploring various options to have fun during a visit-escorts, massage parlors and strip clubs. I am English speaking ( non spanish) individual who do not much experience in MTY except for few clubs that i visited ( Amnesia and Poisson).

I heard Infinito is one of the best clubs that provides value for money. Is it okay for a non spanish individual to visit this club? Also is it safe?

Thanks

Member #3453

11-12-10, 16:08

El Infinito is as "safe" as any other bar in Monterrey. There is nothing with respect to "El Infinito" per se, compared to all the other bars, that make it any less safe.

If this is your first visit, you will kick yourself if you do not at least take a stroll through to check it out. Everyone has different tastes and comfort levels. So, that doesn't mean that you will particularly like it compared to some other bars that might offer a better comfort level. But, once you visit, I think you'll conclude that the numbers of HOT girls is unrivaled by the most expensive bars in Monterrey.

There are very few girls that speak English in Monterrey. You'll feel a bit of a disadvantage no matter where you go. Just ask if anyone speaks English, realizing that if you ask that question, you are also immediately wearing a sign on your forehead that says "Sucker." As long as you go in with that understanding, you can watch for little scams from some of the girls, some of the waiters, etc...No big deal, but anticipate it.

With regard to the safety level in Monterrey right now, there are increased incidents of violence here. But, I am also just as impressed how routine the streets are in the evenings, and until late in the night. The streets of Monterrey do not reveal a curtailing of routine activity. In my opinion, that speak volumes to what your individual danger level really is.

The street vendors are all still out there until the wee hours of the night, pedestrians are walking all over the place well up to 2am, there is considerable vehicular traffic, no different visually than I've seen over the last ten years. It does not resemble a society under considerable fear and duress as is being sometimes represented here.

That doesn't mean that an escalated danger isn't underlying the surface, or that anyone should drop their guard, or that you will not be victimized. But, if the "street" reveals the level of actual danger to the average person, there is no indication that business is anything but usual.

For these reasons alone, the routineness of daily and nightly activity, I believe that a short time visitor can easily survive their visit by just using their head, staying aware, etc...

Hi,

I will be visiting MTY last week of Jan. I am exploring various options to have fun during a visit-escorts, massage parlors and strip clubs. I am English speaking ( non spanish) individual who do not much experience in MTY except for few clubs that i visited ( Amnesia and Poisson).

I heard Infinito is one of the best clubs that provides value for money. Is it okay for a non spanish individual to visit this club? Also is it safe?

Thanks

Strike 69

11-14-10, 21:37

As far as I knew Prestige and Obsession were from the same owners but recently an Harem girl told me that the Harem also belongs to the owners of the Obession, it is that true??

Member #3453

11-15-10, 01:35

It is true...The same owners own Casino as well. The owners are at their establishments quite often, and they have always struck me as dressing, shall we say, "uniquely," almost in a flamboyant and noticeable kind of way.

But, perhaps also in such as way as to be so noticeable that were they to dress normally, they would be unrecognizable. You know, that's what a lot of bank robbers do. They dress in some very characteristic way, only to discard their garb once the deed is done, substituting regular street clothes at the first opportunity.

I always wondered if the owners are trying to disguise their true appearance when they visit their establishments, only to be otherwise unrecognizable in the straight world, as though to disavow any connection to their being owners of strip clubs, and thereby avoid the stigma they might otherwise have to endure from what may simultaneously be their own normally Moralistic Mexican Social circle.

As far as I knew Prestige and Obsession were from the same owners but recently an Harem girl told me that the Harem also belongs to the owners of the Obession, it is that true??

MonterreyDude

11-15-10, 05:47

Yes, it's a family business.

Obsession, Harem and Bahamas are owned by one brother.

Prestige and Casino are owned by another brother.

The father oversees everything.

And no USB, the way you see them dress, that's the way I have met them at HEB food center and their kid's soccer games.

And Strike, one thing... unless the girl is die-hard veteran that has moved up and down the Monterrey clubs, they don't have a clue where they dance, or who owns the clubs or if the owner owns more business, like the owner of the Obsession, Harem, Bahamas branch, which also owns casinos in the Monterrey Metro area and many girls ignore that fact.

As far as I knew Prestige and Obsession were from the same owners but recently an Harem girl told me that the Harem also belongs to the owners of the Obession, it is that true??

Pran San

11-15-10, 12:19

Hi,

High end bars like Amnesia, Poisson allow Salida? If yes then what are typical bar fine and rates?

Or should I stick with medium end bars?

Prans

Member #3453

11-16-10, 07:18

Medium level bars will cost you no less than 850 pesos for 1.5 hours. Low end bars are 350 pesos for 1.5 hours. Then, add the girls fee to the bar fine respectively.

The girl's all seem to charge about the same regardless of whether they're working in a low end or medium level bar, usually between about 700 pesos on the low end, and 2000 pesos on the high end.

But, generally, in the low and medium level bars, you can find them for about 1000 to 1500 pesos, and they'll be pretty damned hot in that price range.

You may be able to negotiate with the girl for more time rather than a reduction of her fee, although I've done both. But, one thing is for sure...you will never negotiate the bars out of their bar fine.

And watch them, they'll sometimes try to tack on an extra 50-100 pesos onto the bar fine, hoping you won't notice. I've had some waiters quote me different bar fine amounts one night to the next. Just remember, the medium level bars should not be over 850 pesos, and the low end bars should never exceed about 450 pesos at most. If the bar you're in wants to charge you more, you'll have to decide if your candidate for salida is worth the extra pesos. There are times I've caved because the stars were all aligned, and to argue over 50-100 pesos was a waste of my time.

My own personal preference is to start fishing in the low end bars, exhaust all options there, mainly because the bar fines are less than the medium level bars, and the quality of selection in the medium level clubs is no better than in the low end bars. I also consider that what extra amount I might pay in a bar fine from a medium level bar, I could just as easily apply to the next night's fun. So, reducing the bar fine by fishing in the low end bars, and negotiating with the girl, getting her from 1500 to 1000 to 700 pesos, can actually set you up financially for all or a portion of your next night's fun.

You don't even want to know what they'll charge you to leave on salida from Amnesia or Poisson, $300-$500 per hour, and girls costing $2500-5000 pesos. The high end clubs charge USA rates, and so do the girls. You will have a heart attack...And, not only that, but the quality of selection with respect to attractiveness and service level will not exceed what you could just as easily find in the low end to medium level bars.

Hi,

High end bars like Amnesia, Poisson allow Salida? If yes then what are typical bar fine and rates?

Or should I stick with medium end bars?

Prans

Bbond

11-16-10, 09:43

You may be able to negotiate with the girl for more time rather than a reduction of her fee, although I've done both.

Excuse please, I am asking UI, but why would anyone negotiate with a hooker?

My money my rules. No?

I mean you negotiate her fees downward, don't you think her service level will follow?

Looks have absolutely nothing, NADA, to do with service. You want to fuck a chica cause she looks hot? Good luck with that.

Is it so important you want to fuck a girl that just wants your money, fucks everyone that pays her (and some that don't), could give a shit less if you return, and you want to negotiate? Tell her what you will pay, if she don't want it, tell to get lost and find one that does.

One of the biggest turn offs I have here is asking a girl, that I don't know, how much. And her reply is US$50. Fired on the spot, she thinks I am a stupid gringo. More often that not, she will respond with "how much will you pay?" (cuanto me das?). My reply is "NADA", get away, come back when you get real. They quote US$ because that is what they are used to seeing, stupid gringos.

There's a lot more to my reasoning than I can explain UI. Shit I have girls that do TLN for 350 pesos, and fuck all night if I want. BBFS, BBBJCIM included. Remember, my money, my rules. If she wants steady business, all the repeats she wants, she follows my rules. It works, you would not believe how well.

The absolute most I will pay is MN600, but you should see what that gets.

Come here and ask me do that for you, no way. I worked very hard for the position/leverage that I have and I am not giving it up.

Rule #1, It's all about the money.
Rule #2, see rule #1.

disclaimer I told you when I started this report it was done UI, YMCAWV.

Strike 69

11-16-10, 13:29

Hi,

High end bars like Amnesia, Poisson allow Salida? If yes then what are typical bar fine and rates?

Or should I stick with medium end bars?

Prans

Sometimes it is better (less expensive and less complicated) to fuck girls inside medium and high end clubs than in a salida/barfine. In Poisson quality girls will openly offer you sex (oral with titfucking or vaginal/anal sex) at more or less reasonable prices. (It is a medium end club and currently offers one of the best balances in terms of prices and quality girls and sex)

While in the Amnesia things are more "shrouded in mystery " I think there you paid 5 bailes (lap dances) and you get oral sex alongside titfucking - russian sex and if you paid 10 bailes sometimes girls said "10 bailes y me coges" (ten lap dances and you fuck me) it is very expensive though. Another option is to get the cellphone numbers of the girls and arrange a sex meeting wirth them independently in off work hours, that way is going to be cheaper than if you paid the club. I am not an expert in the Amnesia club but according to some work colleges those are the dynamics if I am wrong please feel free to correct me MTYdude.

Strike 69

11-16-10, 13:33

Yes, it's a family business.

Obsession, Harem and Bahamas are owned by one brother.

Prestige and Casino are owned by another brother.

The father oversees everything.

And no USB, the way you see them dress, that's the way I have met them at HEB food center and their kid's soccer games.

And Strike, one thing... unless the girl is die-hard veteran that has moved up and down the Monterrey clubs, they don't have a clue where they dance, or who owns the clubs or if the owner owns more business, like the owner of the Obsession, Harem, Bahamas branch, which also owns casinos in the Monterrey Metro area and many girls ignore that fact.

Maybe that explains it, that girl seemed to be quite a hardcore teibolera

Member #3453

11-16-10, 14:02

Asking for more money is simply human nature. My definition of "negotiation" is not capitulating to their asking price just because they ask for it.

This is going to sound very strange to the typical monger. But, service level is often more a result of chemistry for me, and really has little to do with price, or how hot they are.

I often find that if they possess certain qualities, qualities that are not always easily recognizable on the surface, my own ability to bring out of them their true potential is what determines my own satisfaction level. But, first, before I accept the responsibility for my own satisfaction, the girl has to have certain qualities that are not discernible on the surface. This makes identifying them very tedious and difficult as times. It is the interview process, and the act of negotiation that sometimes reveals the qualities that may reside deep inside the girl.

I believe that my own criteria for judging them is very particular compared to most other mongers. That having been said, I've gone with girls that I thought were going to meet my criteria for being "good" that weren't, paid their asking price, the going rate, no more, and been totally disappointed, even after interviewing them thoroughly. Conversely, I've negotiated girls down in price, or up in time spent, and been extremely satisfied.

So, if criteria for "service level" is so subjective monger to monger, and price has little to do with the outcome, why pay more? I try not to. Negotiating them down has little effect on the service level I ultimately receive from them anyway in the end because I've already tried qualifying them in advance. They either have it or they don't. And, price, and to a certain extent, how hot they are, aren't part of the intrinsic criteria.

We are getting lost in the semantics of the word "Negotiation." Negotiation is not capitulation to your own "rules," or to your particular preferences, but merely demonstrating to a girl that you are not an inexperienced player (ie: Stupid Gringo). Negotiation is merely setting the rules for what you are willing to pay, and sticking to them.

By saying to her in so many words, "my way or the highway," you are still firmly engaged in "negotiation" whether you want to believe it or not. If they already know you, they're not going to buck your rules, and they're not going to ask a price that they already know violates your sensibilities, and risk offending you.

But, if they don't know you, and you shut them off just because they try to negotiate with you, I respectfully suggest you are prematurely disqualifying some potentially very good girls in the process.

Excuse please, I am asking UI, but why would anyone negotiate with a hooker?

My money my rules. No?

I mean you negotiate her fees downward, don't you think her service level will follow?

Looks have absolutely nothing, NADA, to do with service. You want to fuck a chica cause she looks hot? Good luck with that.

Is it so important you want to fuck a girl that just wants your money, fucks everyone that pays her (and some that don't), could give a shit less if you return, and you want to negotiate? Tell her what you will pay, if she don't want it, tell to get lost and find one that does.

One of the biggest turn offs I have here is asking a girl, that I don't know, how much. And her reply is US$50. Fired on the spot, she thinks I am a stupid gringo. More often that not, she will respond with "how much will you pay?" (cuanto me das?). My reply is "NADA", get away, come back when you get real. They quote US$ because that is what they are used to seeing, stupid gringos.

There's a lot more to my reasoning than I can explain UI. Shit I have girls that do TLN for 350 pesos, and fuck all night if I want. BBFS, BBBJCIM included. Remember, my money, my rules. If she wants steady business, all the repeats she wants, she follows my rules. It works, you would not believe how well.

The absolute most I will pay is MN600, but you should see what that gets.

Come here and ask me do that for you, no way. I worked very hard for the position/leverage that I have and I am not giving it up.

Rule #1, It's all about the money.
Rule #2, see rule #1.

disclaimer I told you when I started this report it was done UI, YMCAWV.

MonterreyDude

11-17-10, 03:32

No.

High end SCs like Amnesia, Premiere, Obsession and Prestige have no "salidas".

Poisson does at a steep price.
More or less 1000 pesos bar fine and what the girl charges which will be like 2000-3000 pesos depending on the girl.

Hi,

High end bars like Amnesia, Poisson allow Salida? If yes then what are typical bar fine and rates?

Or should I stick with medium end bars?

Prans

MonterreyDude

11-17-10, 03:41

Bbond, you've been mongering so much time at Nuevo Laredo that you are almost a local.

You know Nuevo Laredo like the back of your palm.
You know all the clubs.
You live and breath at the dowtown clubs like a local.

That's why "My money my rules" works with you in NL.

You are a total veteran.
You know your way around any girl.

But for a visiting newbie on the city for a couple of days, one that doesn't know the rules of the clubs, the girls, how much to pay, how much not to pay, where to and no to go there is no other way but to opt to negotiate if they find something they like.

Each in it's way, own style etc, but yes, by sheer instinct the monger will try to negotiate.

Excuse please, I am asking UI, but why would anyone negotiate with a hooker?

My money my rules. No?

I mean you negotiate her fees downward, don't you think her service level will follow?

Looks have absolutely nothing, NADA, to do with service. You want to fuck a chica cause she looks hot? Good luck with that.

Is it so important you want to fuck a girl that just wants your money, fucks everyone that pays her (and some that don't), could give a shit less if you return, and you want to negotiate? Tell her what you will pay, if she don't want it, tell to get lost and find one that does.

One of the biggest turn offs I have here is asking a girl, that I don't know, how much. And her reply is US$50. Fired on the spot, she thinks I am a stupid gringo. More often that not, she will respond with "how much will you pay?" (cuanto me das?). My reply is "NADA", get away, come back when you get real. They quote US$ because that is what they are used to seeing, stupid gringos.

There's a lot more to my reasoning than I can explain UI. Shit I have girls that do TLN for 350 pesos, and fuck all night if I want. BBFS, BBBJCIM included. Remember, my money, my rules. If she wants steady business, all the repeats she wants, she follows my rules. It works, you would not believe how well.

The absolute most I will pay is MN600, but you should see what that gets.

Come here and ask me do that for you, no way. I worked very hard for the position/leverage that I have and I am not giving it up.

Rule #1, It's all about the money.
Rule #2, see rule #1.

disclaimer I told you when I started this report it was done UI, YMCAWV.

Member #3453

11-17-10, 07:08

The shear numbers of girls available in Monterrey makes truly "knowing your way around" virtually impossible in Monterrey. There simply isn't enough time, not even for residents. There are so many clubs, etc...that you would simply NEVER completely know your way totally around, something that can be accomplished with comparative ease in NL.

No monger in Monterrey would ever be able to achieve the experience that Bbond enjoys in NL with individual girls. The turnover in Monterrey is so high that you're bound to be meeting newbies on a continual basis. The shear numbers of girls, the unbelievable numbers of bars, massage parlors, escorts, etc...a city of 5 million people, along with the high turnover rate among girls in Monterrey, almost guarantees that you'll be doing some negotiating whether you like it or not.

The girls are dumb, immature, impatient, have no business acumen, and they're impetuous. But, one thing is for sure... they are predictable with respect to trying to get as much money as they can. Frankly, I would wonder if the world was coming to an end if they didn't at least try. When they try, and I refuse, that's called "negotiation.

Bbond, you've been mongering so much time at Nuevo Laredo that you are almost a local.

You know Nuevo Laredo like the back of your palm.
You know all the clubs.
You live and breath at the dowtown clubs like a local.

That's why "My money my rules" works with you in NL.

You are a total veteran.
You know your way around any girl.

But for a visiting newbie on the city for a couple of days, one that doesn't know the rules of the clubs, the girls, how much to pay, how much not to pay, where to and no to go there is no other way but to opt to negotiate if they find something they like.

Each in it's way, own style etc, but yes, by sheer instinct the monger will try to negotiate.

Pran San

11-17-10, 10:50

Thanks Unspongebob.

You are right. For a person like me who has been to MTY only once, have no experience in taking girls to the hotel and also do not speak Spanish, such forums are very useful. With that background, would you recommend that I go to Infinito if I want to take a girl out? Or I stick with an escort agency.

Strike 69

11-17-10, 14:30

No.

High end SCs like Amnesia, Premiere, Obsession and Prestige have no "salidas".

Poisson does at a steep price.
More or less 1000 pesos bar fine and what the girl charges which will be like 2000-3000 pesos depending on the girl.

You can always try to get the mobile phone number of girl after having a session with them in the clubs (preferentially after sex) if there is good rapport, and later you can try to call her in outside the club and arrange a meeting for going to restaurant to eat something and later to go and fuck in a hotel. By doing that you can save money that it is pay to the house (club) and girls sometimes girls charge you less for a good fuck if they like you rather than their average prices inside the club.

If you are with a friend or a colleague it is even possible to ask the stripper girl to get a female friend for your colleague so the 4 of your can go and fuck in a mini orgy swinger style fashion.

I've done that in both Obsession and Prestige and I have collegians who have done that in the Amnesia though I haven't done that myself in that club so I cannot give an accurate opinion.

Member #3453

11-20-10, 07:14

I don't frequent the escorts, so my only frame of reference is the clubs. I would recommend you make the rounds between El Infinito, Tangalay, Givenchy, Parthenon, Tango, Beybes, and El Cielo. Those are all the low end bars, all within about a 3000 ft radius. Scope them out, and find your best deal. The bar fine from any one of them should cost you between 350 and 450 pesos, no more, and the girls within the low end bars should run no more than 1000 pesos for 1.5 hours.

If you want to go to the medium level bars, Casino, Pasarelas, Azul Tequilla, Bahamas, Harem...the bar fine will double, or triple depending on the bar, and the girls will cost you about 1500-2000 pesos for 1.5 hours.

Thanks Unspongebob.

You are right. For a person like me who has been to MTY only once, have no experience in taking girls to the hotel and also do not speak Spanish, such forums are very useful. With that background, would you recommend that I go to Infinito if I want to take a girl out? Or I stick with an escort agency.

MonterreyDude

11-20-10, 07:45

I don't want to contradict my friend USB, but NO, I dont recomend Pran San to go anywhere further than Infinito and Givenchy in the Villagran area if he doesn't speak Spanish.

USB speaks Spanish so he sees it as natural. Waiters know him and he can communicate with them.

Partenon, Tango (specially Tango), Beybis (this one too) can be a little rough for the unexperienced monger.

I would recomend for him asides Infinito, for him to visit the Madero Ave clubs (Casino, Pasarelas... maybe not Azul Tequila), plus maybe Poisson as a 4 star club at Zaragoza st.

I don't frequent the escorts, so my only frame of reference is the clubs. I would recommend you make the rounds between El Infinito, Tangalay, Givenchy, Parthenon, Tango, Beybes, and El Cielo. Those are all the low end bars, all within about a 3000 ft radius. Scope them out, and find your best deal. The bar fine from any one of them should cost you between 350 and 450 pesos, no more, and the girls within the low end bars should run no more than 1000 pesos for 1.5 hours.

If you want to go to the medium level bars, Casino, Pasarelas, Azul Tequilla, Bahamas, Harem...the bar fine will double, or triple depending on the bar, and the girls will cost you about 1500-2000 pesos for 1.5 hours.

Member #3453

11-20-10, 14:10

Infinito and Givenchy in the Villagran area if he doesn't speak Spanish.

Well, I have to admit that I didn't really think about his experience, or the fact that my own experience may make the other lower end bars good options to some, and not to others of us, when I gave my advice. You may be right.

But, we are always so unfairly chastised for only recommending just El Infinito, that I did not want to give our detractors any more ammunition by appearing as though I am promoting only one club. I do not actually frequent El Infinito as much as I frequent the other lower end bars these days. And, I have no motivation to recommend one of them over another, so I opted to mention them all.

I made recommendations that he visit all of them within close proximity so he will have the most opportunity for a varied selection, not really thinking that he may run into language problems, etc...

But, with respect to the other bars being more difficult to negotiate than El Infinito or Givenchy, it is true that I am as well known in all of the other lower end bars I mentioned as I am in El Infinito and Givenchy. Speaking Spanish, along with having that familiarity with the managers and waiters, contribute to making things move more smoothly for me as a result. Like I said, I am in and out of them like a flash these days, and everything arranged quite quickly as a result.

But, I recall when I first started visiting the other low end bars I mentioned, doing so as a Gringo, etc...I recall some very minor differences between El Infinito and Givenchy. El Infinito and Givenchy are extremely honest with respect to waiters treating you relatively well with respect to correct change, etc...But, in the other low end bars, you'll have to watch them a little closer. I remember the other lower end bars I mentioned did initially seem to have a streak of larceny in them, more so than I have ever experienced in El Infinito and Givenchy. Other than that minor difference, I can really detect no additional dangers with respect to visiting them versus El Infinito.

Now, perhaps Monterreydude is concerned that our visitor might be in greater danger by walking between all of them...that could be an issue. But, Tangalay is right across the street from El Infinito. I Don't really like Tangalay myself, but it's an option for some. I've just never really found a girl in there that I've liked, not in ten years, but some guys have. Tango and Parthenon are within the same block as El Infininto and Givenchy, just a short walking distance. El Cielo and Beybes would require him to walk a little further than he probably should, especially these days, depending on the time of night.

MonterreyDude

11-20-10, 19:33

I agree, I don't like Tangaly either and even if it's right across Infinito I don't go there.

But I still do not recomend either Partenon, Tango or Beibys for Pran San.
Waiters, girls are like hell at these places.

Specially the girls USB, your'e neglecting one of the negative experiences you had at one fo these places.

No, defintly not for the new at heart in Monterrey.

Well, I have to admit that I didn't really think about his experience, or the fact that my own experience may make the other lower end bars good options to some, and not to others of us, when I gave my advice. You may be right.

But, we are always so unfairly chastised for only recommending just El Infinito, that I did not want to give our detractors any more ammunition by appearing as though I am promoting only one club. I do not actually frequent El Infinito as much as I frequent the other lower end bars these days. And, I have no motivation to recommend one of them over another, so I opted to mention them all.

I made recommendations that he visit all of them within close proximity so he will have the most opportunity for a varied selection, not really thinking that he may run into language problems, etc...

But, with respect to the other bars being more difficult to negotiate than El Infinito or Givenchy, it is true that I am as well known in all of the other lower end bars I mentioned as I am in El Infinito and Givenchy. Speaking Spanish, along with having that familiarity with the managers and waiters, contribute to making things move more smoothly for me as a result. Like I said, I am in and out of them like a flash these days, and everything arranged quite quickly as a result.

But, I recall when I first started visiting the other low end bars I mentioned, doing so as a Gringo, etc...I recall some very minor differences between El Infinito and Givenchy. El Infinito and Givenchy are extremely honest with respect to waiters treating you relatively well with respect to correct change, etc...But, in the other low end bars, you'll have to watch them a little closer. I remember the other lower end bars I mentioned did initially seem to have a streak of larceny in them, more so than I have ever experienced in El Infinito and Givenchy. Other than that minor difference, I can really detect no additional dangers with respect to visiting them versus El Infinito.

Now, perhaps Monterreydude is concerned that our visitor might be in greater danger by walking between all of them...that could be an issue. But, Tangalay is right across the street from El Infinito. I Don't really like Tangalay myself, but it's an option for some. I've just never really found a girl in there that I've liked, not in ten years, but some guys have. Tango and Parthenon are within the same block as El Infininto and Givenchy, just a short walking distance. El Cielo and Beybes would require him to walk a little further than he probably should, especially these days, depending on the time of night.

Member #3453

11-20-10, 23:30

Well, yes, that's true...I did have a negative experience at Tango with a mercenary girl. And, you're right, if it could happen to me, all the more likely it could potentially happen to an infrequent visitor, someone with limited language skills, etc...

But, on the other hand, the problem was entirely my fault. I should have been much more attentive to the circumstances, and I behaved like a newbie, dropping my guard. So, I do take full responsibility.

And, another consideration is that I was able to remedy the circumstances with the club manager and the bouncers later on. It would be much more difficult for a newbie to do so without the language skills, the relationship, etc...So, perhaps you're right.

But, do you really think the caliber of girls working El Infinito or Givenchy is any better? Maybe just a tad better with respect to trustworthiness? I don't know...It could be. But, I can easily see that a girl from El Infinito or Givenchy could pull the same kind of stunt. But, for some reason, I feel Monterreydude is right, I don't think they would.

Sorry to be so indecisive with respect to judging the character of girls that are already so lost that they will likely never be found. But, for some reason, and I can't really put my finger on why I feel this way, but I agree with Monterreydude, that there is a distinction with respect to reliability between the girls working in El Infinito/Givenchy, versus the other bars I mentioned.

The girls in El Infinito/Givenchy are probably a tad more reliable, maybe just a little more trustworthy than in the other bars I mentioned, as are the managers. But, in all fairness to the managers in the other bars I currently frequent, they could not have been more accommodating when my particular incident occurred. But, would they back-up a newbie as compared to their taking good care of me...maybe not, who knows?

Well, anyway, those are the clubs I frequent, and I threw the names of the clubs out there, and the guys can make a decision to take whatever risks that they choose to assume. I am a Libertarian...

Like Blourghas said, some guys want to tear around the city, and we, USB and Monterreydude, do have a much more conservative, easy going approach.

So, to those of you that are interested in raising hell, taking the risks, etc...there you have it.

I agree, I don't like Tangaly either and even if it's right across Infinito I don't go there.

But I still do not recomend either Partenon, Tango or Beibys for Pran San.
Waiters, girls are like hell at these places.

Specially the girls USB, your'e neglecting one of the negative experiences you had at one fo these places.

No, defintly not for the new at heart in Monterrey.

Bbond

11-22-10, 06:42

Bbond, you've been mongering so much time at Nuevo Laredo that you are almost a local.

MD you are correct. I talked to a fairly new girl, she has seen me and some friends together for sometime, seen my relationships with the wait staff in the bars. Seen my relationship with a lot of other girls. Anyway, I finally decided to ask her to my place, and how much she charged. Her reply was she charged Mexicanos 300 pesos, Americanos 400-500. She told me I could pay the 300 and she would give me a good time, and boy did she. 19 y/o, 1/2 Puerto Rician, slender HARD body. After just one trip to my place, we are good friends, she goes out her her way to say hi. She works 2:30p till 8:30p downtown, and I have never seen anyone that didn't want to go with her.

Bbond is as gringo as gringo can get, but I speak passable Spanish. When taking a girl to my place, everything is settled before we arrive, no surprises,(usually...hahahhaaa), my money, my rules, or I look for a better deal. I have dismissed two girls, w/o compensation of any sort, when they reneged on their promises, when I say no deal it's no deal, I don't accept compromises.

"Get dressed and get out", "I really need the money", "too late you reneged, I no longer want to deal with you, GET OUT".

There are three groups of girls here, one is those that really like me, another is those that flat hate me, the last are the one are those I have not dealt with. The last group is the largest, the first group is the smallest.

Member #3453

11-22-10, 16:48

Your age estimates are off by quite a bit actually...

I have always envied the "Power" girls have over we males, some to a greater extent than others. And, frankly, I am relieved that with each addition year, they are losing their hold over me.

Frankly, I will be relieved when they no longer have any control over me. Ultimately, it is a bitter sweet realization, but one that promises some degree of freedom in the end, especially with regard to preserving my personal finances.

With regard to being drunk, I do not recommend anyone become drunk while visiting the clubs in Monterrey.

I personally remain totally and completely sober, drinking Agua Natural the entire time. I rarely drink, other than in business circumstances, and I have no need for that particular vice, only when business circumstances dictate my own social participation, but never when I am on my own free time, and especially when I'm engaged in Mongering in Monterrey, of all places.

However, were I to impose my same regime upon other mongers, something that I can very easily do when visiting the clubs, many would be totally and completely psychologically devastated.

So, to instruct them not to be drunk is one thing. But, to tell them not to drink anything, to remain totally and completely sharp, like I do, and like I advocate, for one's own personal safety, as part of the special precautions I recommend when mongering in Monterrey, a place that can be quite dangerous at times, they would find little reason to visit Monterrey.

Monterreydude is correct. I also don't recommend for a foreigner to go to any clubs away from Villagran, most of all if you are drinking and alone.

@USB

I read some of your reports and I believe you say you are around 61 years old. I don´t recommend anyone this age to be drunk in downtown alone.

MonterreyDude

11-22-10, 18:48

"There are three groups of girls here, one is those that really like me, another is those that flat hate me, the last are the one are those I have not dealt with. The last group is the largest, the first group is the smallest."

LOL.... you see Bbond? You are a local boy.
I got the girls in the same 3 categories as you do.

MD you are correct. I talked to a fairly new girl, she has seen me and some friends together for sometime, seen my relationships with the wait staff in the bars. Seen my relationship with a lot of other girls. Anyway, I finally decided to ask her to my place, and how much she charged. Her reply was she charged Mexicanos 300 pesos, Americanos 400-500. She told me I could pay the 300 and she would give me a good time, and boy did she. 19 y/o, 1/2 Puerto Rician, slender HARD body. After just one trip to my place, we are good friends, she goes out her her way to say hi. She works 2:30p till 8:30p downtown, and I have never seen anyone that didn't want to go with her.

Bbond is as gringo as gringo can get, but I speak passable Spanish. When taking a girl to my place, everything is settled before we arrive, no surprises,(usually...hahahhaaa), my money, my rules, or I look for a better deal. I have dismissed two girls, w/o compensation of any sort, when they reneged on their promises, when I say no deal it's no deal, I don't accept compromises.

"Get dressed and get out", "I really need the money", "too late you reneged, I no longer want to deal with you, GET OUT".

There are three groups of girls here, one is those that really like me, another is those that flat hate me, the last are the one are those I have not dealt with. The last group is the largest, the first group is the smallest.

Member #3453

11-24-10, 02:55

I don't have any girls that "hate" me. I have some that become disappointed in me. I have some that are occasionally angry with me because I reject them wanting to go on salida.

There are some that become disappointed because I took them before, but I often choose not to take them again when they ask, or I neglect to do many repeats with them on as frequent a basis as their bank accounts would like.

I have some that might become frustrated with me because I no longer choose them very often, or I choose others over them when they're begging me to take them out.

But, I can think of none that currently hate me, as in a loathing brought on by some kind of disagreement we had, or because I was somehow playing politics.

They either enchant me, and I take them out, or I don't...If they don't learn that lesson, they go on salida less and less.

If they're angry with me today, it's amazing how quickly they "fall back in love" with me at the prospect of going on salida.

It's amazing how the prospect of $$$$$$$$$$$$$ is a catalyst for their devoted attention. The girls that figure me out, get the pesos. Those that don't are poorer for not having figured me out. It is ALL about me! That's about as "my way or the highway" as one can get. But, I break it to them gently. I am careful not to make enemies.

Because, here's why...If they're too dull to get it today, they might pick it up later on, or they might become enlightened as time goes by, as they gain additional experience. I try not to burn my bridges with them in hopes they might eventually come around. Because, literally, these girls all go through stages. Some NEVER figure our which buttons to push, and some improve with age.

You just never know for sure. Some are diamonds in the rough, and with some, you just can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. You just never really know which type is which with any degree of predictable certainty.

"There are three groups of girls here, one is those that really like me, another is those that flat hate me, the last are the one are those I have not dealt with. The last group is the largest, the first group is the smallest."

LOL.... you see Bbond? You are a local boy.
I got the girls in the same 3 categories as you do.

MonterreyDude

11-24-10, 08:40

Let me correct the word "hate".

Let's see if Bbond agrees with this: "they just flat don't like you".

USB and me, we have a ton of girls that openly just "don't like us".

I don't have any girls that "hate" me. I have some that become disappointed in me. I have some that are occasionally angry with me because I reject them wanting to go on salida.

There are some that become disappointed because I took them before, but I often choose not to take them again when they ask, or I neglect to do many repeats with them on as frequent a basis as their bank accounts would like.

I have some that might become frustrated with me because I no longer choose them very often, or I choose others over them when they're begging me to take them out.

But, I can think of none that currently hate me, as in a loathing brought on by some kind of disagreement we had, or because I was somehow playing politics.

They either enchant me, and I take them out, or I don't...If they don't learn that lesson, they go on salida less and less.

If they're angry with me today, it's amazing how quickly they "fall back in love" with me at the prospect of going on salida.

It's amazing how the prospect of $$$$$$$$$$$$$ is a catalyst for their devoted attention. The girls that figure me out, get the pesos. Those that don't are poorer for not having figured me out. It is ALL about me! That's about as "my way or the highway" as one can get. But, I break it to them gently. I am careful not to make enemies.

Because, here's why...If they're too dull to get it today, they might pick it up later on, or they might become enlightened as time goes by, as they gain additional experience. I try not to burn my bridges with them in hopes they might eventually come around. Because, literally, these girls all go through stages. Some NEVER figure our which buttons to push, and some improve with age.

You just never know for sure. Some are diamonds in the rough, and with some, you just can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. You just never really know which type is which with any degree of predictable certainty.

Member #3453

11-24-10, 14:18

I would say that it isn't that some of the girls don't like "us." But, they are merely ambivalent about us.

I am either not their cup of tea, my not being a young stud, and/or I don't shower them with drinks, etc...

If I don't patronize them, or they're prejudiced, and they want only to fraternize with young studs, then they merely avoid me...strictly a business decision on their part, and not an inherent dislike on a personal level.

And, remember, even with those that would otherwise avoid "us," we have turned many of them around 180 degrees by treating many of them very well, as friends. Of course, the wheels of pay for play are always greased with $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ as well.

Those that would otherwise avoid us for the reasons I mentioned, often go out of their way now to be nice to us in anticipation of los dulces, or las galletas, and $$$$$$$$$$$$$ are not so nearly the only tool we use to penetrate their hardened shells.

As a result, we've been able to actually penetrate their hardened shells, and opened their hearts and minds to us, where they might have otherwise shut us completely out, professionally.

I believe that our kindness to those that would otherwise avoid us permits us to actually worm our way into a psyche that would otherwise exclude us. So, in doing so, tactics that some might see as weak, are actually psychological tactics that I am consciously and deliberately engaged in, ones that work very well for me. I get more with honey than with vinegar.

Then, with some, they eventually decide, maybe initially against their better judgment, and their female sensibilities, that they actually like us, and want to be friends with us.

That simple fact is what distinguishes females from males. And, thank GOD, it is one of the things that enables a couple of relatively mature males to do quite well with a larger percentage of girls that would otherwise exclude us from their list of potentially eligible customers.

I don't believe that the ambivalent ones, or the ones that ignore us, believe we are disagreeable people were they to encounter us in a different social scenario than the act of selling us their bodies.

They don't dislike us beyond a professional assessment of us, one that of course is foolish, impetuous, and misguided, but merely a professional assessment on their part none the less.

If they were to encounter "us" in the outside world, they would not "dislike" us. They would be friends were we to encounter them in a regular, outside scenario under proper and legitimate social circumstances.

Frankly, the difference between my tactic with the girls within the pay for play scenario is no different than my tactic in the legitimate world, nor are they subject to treatment that's any less cordial and kind than I would engage girls outside that kind of environment.

I avoid confrontation with them, and I work toward making all of them friends. It is strictly in my own best interest to cultivate them as friends, and to work on them to transcend the normal pay for play scenario.

I benefit greatly by making the effort to escalate the relationship beyond what is otherwise handled by many as a competition of wills. I strive to be the winner in the end through patience, and calculated tactics that are no less legitimate in the end than were we outside the pay for play scenario. I strive to turn them into real girlfriends at all times. And, I do so because it is in my own best interest with respect to my own satisfaction within the pay for play scenario.

Some guys are satisfied otherwise, playing the power games, usurping their superiority through tough treatment, CABRONS, etc...and that's fine.

But, my tactics are very consciously calculated to yield a certain kind of emotional reaction and outcome from the girls, and they often do.

But, it does require a lot of work in doing so, and it sometimes requires considerable control of one's impulses, and a lot of discipline, to not treat the girls like a cabron when many of them are often themselves initially playing the roll of being "Cabronesses" themselves.

It is a sophisticated psychological game....

Let me correct the word "hate".

Let's see if Bbond agrees with this: "they just flat don't like you".

USB and me, we have a ton of girls that openly just "don't like us".

Member #3453

11-24-10, 15:22

It is a sophisticated psychological game....

It is a sophisticated psychological game, one that many mongers will never understand or support. But, it's the only one that yields satisfaction inherent to USB's desires and sensibilities. And, at the risk of sounding like the Cabron, satisfying USB's sensibilities is what it's all about.

Bbond

11-25-10, 20:06

Let me correct the word "hate".

Let's see if Bbond agrees with this: "they just flat don't like you".

USB and me, we have a ton of girls that openly just "don't like us".

I am ok with that.

But, from Dictionary.com

hate: to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest.

Bbond

11-25-10, 20:31

MonterreyDude

11-26-10, 08:36

I agree with Bbond... THOSE are the girls that "just flat don't like me".

Bbond, you must add this to your list which I know you must have had this happen to you: The girls that "flat don't like you" let down by you in front of a quorum of girls for another one and openly saying "naw! I like this one better".

The girls that "just flat don't like me" fall into none of these categories.

Girls I have refused to take out, or failed to repeat, still like me and still hang around hoping to stay on my good side and maybe one day go with me.

The ones that don't like me are ones that will not go with me for various reasons or are girls I know to be rip-offs, offer rush service, or renege on promises. I know several that use very bad drugs. These are reasons to avoid given guys that ask me about a particular girl. As I am sure you know, girls don't like that information propagated, and potential new customers lost.

Member #3453

11-27-10, 05:47

The ones that don't like me are ones that...I know to be rip-offs, offer rush service, or renege on promises. I know several that use very bad drugs.

I think the biggest opportunity for "issues" is with the ones you described as choosing not to go with us for "other reasons." That suggests that things have gone a little further than just initial acquaintance. They may have "appeared" to be what we wanted, physically speaking, and we go after them initially...but maybe we ultimately find that personalities clash, or they just aren't interesting, charming, or stimulating. That sometimes happens no matter how HOT they may appear to be. Or, maybe they feel this same lack of compatibility in us.

I suppose that a overt rejection by us could be construed by them as some kind of dissing of them personally, which could cause them to dislike us. But, when it's the other way around, and they're unimpressed with me, I am just as satisfied to let it go...to forget them, and not waste any more energy on them. I have no regrets. I don't take our incompatible personalities personally. I still treat them cordially, and even make an effort to turn them into just friendly acquaintances.

Without the chemistry on their part, I already know that no amount of acting ability on their part will make up for their lacking a true compatibility or chemistry where I'm concerned. So, without the chemistry, I realize that I have nothing to lose with them anyway.

I can't say that ones in the other category you defined in your quote above have any particular "hatred" toward me either. It usually doesn't escalate to their having anything but an ambivalence toward me. I try not to allow our acquaintance to progress to a point of their having much of an opinion of me once I've assessed them from afar, or heard their reputation from others.

With the girls that are part of this category, they know they're not my type, and I'm not they're type from the very beginning...So, everybody's usually relatively fine with just a mutual ambivalence toward one another.

I literally have no use for them. I suppose that if they knew that we have no use for them they might develop a dislike for us. But, generally, I still try to treat them kindly, or ignore them to the extent that I'm virtually obscure to them, and no dislike has the opportunity to develop.

And, while I try to still maintain them as "friendly acquaintances," none the less, who cares what they think of us...we have no use for them anyway, right?

Jinxx

02-07-11, 18:36

I recently got back from Mty and I spent some time in Infinito. I absolutely love this place. I actually had to limit myself from going there too much so that I didn't spend all of money there and so that I could actually do other things in Mty other than just eat, sleep, and hang out at Infinito.

The setup and rate structure has been described many times in this forum so I won't go into that. What was cool for me was being upstairs in the privado area is like being in a roman orgy. It's like nothing I've ever experienced. My chica would lead me to our cubicle and the whole way I'm seeing other people getting it on right in front of me. It's kinda dark so you don't see too much but it's enough to give you a hell of a WOW factor. And at the same time you're seeing others doing their thing, they can see you too.

I remember going buckwild pounding the hell out of C* doggystyle while she's literally screaming at me in spanish to fuck the shit out of her and other girls passing by would stop and look at us all crazy and make comments to her. The shit was priceless. One time some old guy was passing buy while I was standing up getting some head and he slowed down and looked at me like "damn"! I just smiled and gave him a thumbs up. Another time while I was banging one of the chicas in my cubicle I watched while a chick did two guys at the same time. It was cool as shit! I'm banging one chick and getting a free live sex show at the same time.

I kinda hit it off with C* after a couple of privado repeats and it got to the point as soon as I would show up she'd see me and walk straight up to me, grab my dick and start toungekissing me. Each time we banged it got more intense, to the point where when it was time for cowgirl she was riding me like a wild fucking banshee. I mean the shit was ridiculous! I've been around the block enough times to know how to let a chica know yea I love you but I'm still a player, so sometimes I had her pick out other chicas for me to bang, because she started to get a little possesive when she saw that I was repeating with her. Hey, that's why we're paying right? So we don't have to deal with that possesive bullsh! T.

The other place I was frequenting was Woman's on ave. Lincoln. I never did bang any chicas here, and I'm not sure exactly why. I got a lapdance once and I asked the girl if she did extras. She told me something like 1200mx for 30mins, but I didn't quite understand if she said that included sex or what. I didn't really want to pursue it at the time because I was trying to date this chica outside the club for free and I didn't want to screw that up at the time. Plus this place seemed way different from the el infinito set up I was used to.

I also went to Harem and didn't really accomplish much more than staying long enough to drink one beer. I was with this local guy and I realized without much warning that he wanted to go there because he was trying to score some "party favors", but from what I did see I wasn't very impressed. But I'd still like to go back and scope it out a little bit. They had a few very bangable chicas there.

Oh and a word of caution about Woman's on ave. Lincoln. DO NOT ORDER THE VAMPIRO DRINK SPECIAL. They have some cheap special of 2x1 or something like that. Supposedly each drink is made with a shot of tequila. So after I had drank about six of them I wasn't even drunk. That tells me the drinks are complete bullshit and me and my buddy complained to the waiter. We were like WTF is this? Put some damn real tequila in this sh! T. Well, he comes back with some new drinks and after I'm on my second one, my head starts feeling like it's going to explode and the room starts spinning. The bastards put something in my drink and it wasn't tequila! I tried to play it cool because I was chatting with this super hot chica and I didn't want to start freaking out and f*ck up the moment so I just kept chatting and trying to act normal while I ordered a tecate light. After about 10 minutes and drinking a beer my head was back to normal. If it wasn't for not wanting to f*ck things up with that chica I probably would've acted a goddamn fool in that place and accused them of trying to kill me or something. I didn't want to get blacklisted from that place because I was really digging some of the girls there. So from then on I only drank beers that were served to me with the cap still on it.

Two other things I absolutely love about the strip clubs in Mty is the beer is good and DIRT FUCKING CHEAP. Like 2 bucks a beer in most places. And they stay oped until around 6 in the morning.

I was in absolue heaven I Mty, except for the times I might get caught in the middle of vietnam urban warfare commando ambush!

Member #3453

02-08-11, 03:13

I hate like Hell to burst everyone's bubble, least of all my own...Because, this could very likely be the beginning of the end.

Just moments ago someone was SHOT in the parking lot of El Infinito!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As Jinx said, we are on the verge of seeing Marshal Law in Monterrey, and it won't be because the cartels are out of control. It will be because the institutions of government have deteriorated to the point of total anarchy among the people, and the people have no means to control the predators. That is a very different thing than cartels targeting one another. Anarchy warrants my issuing a cautionary warning to potential future visitors, and to those of us that like visiting the bars.

I was the first one to point out that I've become increasingly concerned over the last few months that the acts that we're starting to see aren't probably the acts of organized crime, or the cartels. I was the only one to point out that the bars are not the only area of concern, but that the dangers are statistically distributed everywhere, and there is really no way of knowing whether you might be a victim.

The nature of the crimes appear to increasingly be acts that are committed by amateurs settling scores, amateurs and professional criminals committing crimes of opportunity, crimes that are not cartel related. The perpetrators of those crimes are blaming the cartels, and the media has been unwittingly complicit in blaming the cartels. The trend suggests that the fallout from the cartel activity serves to embolden the street criminals, as well as the average hot heads bent on revenge.

Because bars in general are known for their volatility, and if we are trending toward the average Joe feeling no inhibitions at acting on his hot headed emotions, then sitting in a bar environment does expose us to some escalated danger, not from the cartel activity, but from the anarchy that some feel free to engage in now.

We may be in for a much larger problem than a statistically isolated war between the cartels...

As I've already said, this trend is a whole different ball game than what we've been experiencing in Monterrey over the past three years. This is not only the cartels targeting one another. Now, the average Joe is feeling totally uninhibited at murdering people, robbing, assault, retribution against enemies, etc...all committed in front of witnesses, in broad daylight, and there is likely no drug cartel motivation behind the escalations in the crimes we've been seeing for the last three months.

If the trend continues, this is a very different thing that what we've seen thus far, and it justifies a serious warning. If the trend continues, I will be the first to recommend that you not visit Monterrey, and that you stay away from the bars. I will be the first to return to the US to wait it out. I have no agenda, and hopefully my being the first to reveal this occurring at El Infinito will silence my skeptics.

Jinxx

02-08-11, 07:35

I wouldn't panic just yet due to the shooting at a strip club. I live in Houston and shootings at strip clubs are a regular occurence, sadly enough. Moments gc on 45 north has at least one shooting a year. St james, a very high end gc also off 45 north has multiple shootings in the last few years. I was personally inside Hottys on westpark when a fight went down and some idiot shot 2 people INSIDE THE FUCKING CLUB. I was there and witnessed the whole thing. I literally saw my life flash before my eyes when I heard the gunshots. Another time I saw some guys almost get beat to death in the parking lot at Babe's on westpark. And these are just the incidents that happened to catch my attention. I'm sure alot more shit goes down in Houston strip clubs that I don't know about.

So for me personally one shooting at el infinito is bad but it still isn't as bad as I've seen here in my own hometown. And I'll be the first to say I'm praying that was just an isolated incident because like I said in my last post I absolutely love that place.

Member #3453

02-08-11, 14:02

On the other hand, and just to put everything in the proper perspective...

This could also be no more than another one of the random occurrences typical of other crimes that have been occurring in El Centro, and everywhere else in Monterrey. This recent incident, which is only vaguely tied to El Infinito at this point in the investigation, could be typical of the run-of-the-mill murders that occur everyday in the US and Mexico, one settling a score with another, and it having nothing whatsoever to do with the clubs, other than one or both of the patrons "possibly" attending a bar in the area.

The concern is still quite valid that if the people have no expectation of receiving justice, then retribution killings, and predatory behavior upon anybody and everybody, by anybody and everybody, ie: anarchy, may be on the rise.

Remember, none of the intelligence services knew of the political condition in Egypt, not even two weeks before the recent riots occurred there. Likewise, it would be foolish to minimize the potential in Monterrey these days. It could be right around the corner, or it may be we are seeing nothing more than an escalation of street crime, due to the ineffectual ability of the police to impose order and administer justice, which is still of MAJOR CONCERN.

The root of anarchism is the single impulse to do it yourself: everything else follows from this. The trend for the average citizen on the street to act on impulse, with no expectation for receiving justice, prompts concern that we could be incrementally approaching this kind of condition in Monterrey, certainly that is the case comparing justice found in the US to justice found in Monterrey.

With that reality in mind, visitors to "any" foreign country, especially visiting with the intention to monger, should not naively forget where they are as they visit. This has always been rule #1 for American mongers visiting foreign countries. To evaluate foreign countries to the standard found in the USA is a ludicrous comparison, and mongers with any degree of experience should be well aware of that fact.

Mongers are a different breed. Those of us that visit to monger have always assumed this added risk, leaving what is comparative utopia in the US with respect to order and justice, and venturing to foreign lands to monger. It is a very different thing to recommend visiting a foreign country for vacation, versus deciding to monger in foreign countries.

Were someone to ask me whether they should visit Monterrey on vacation, or anywhere in Mexico right now, I would say no. But, the risk taking for mongers is something that comes with the territory. If you are adverse to exposure to any risk taking, then remain at home, in the relative safety of your controlled environment.

In conclusion, as I assess the trends, and the condition on the ground in Monterrey as a whole, these trends really don't relate back directly to El Centro, the bars, the MPs, the escorts, or any other mongering related activity. It is the "whole enchilada" that must be assessed with respect to living in and/or visiting Monterrey, and you must make that assessment with respect to your intention to monger, and not with respect to a leisurely visit on vacation.

Right now, I don't believe that assessment warrants a warning that mongers stay away from Monterrey in favor of other destinations, or that mongers should not visit. But, I am watching...looking over my shoulder, taking greater precautions these days than I ever have in the past. That should count for something, and it should also indicate that the trends are not comforting, to say the least.

The true condition of the environment, and whether the trends are more ominous here than what may be obvious on the surface, are so veiled that it just might be a "BIG NOTHING" with respect there actually being an incremental deterioration of society's constraints. Monger on, but always with caution, keeping your finger on the pulse of the environment with greater sensitivity than you ever have in the past.

MonterreyDude

02-08-11, 17:59

Must agree with Jinxx.

There is something strange going on with this specific crime.

It was avoided by one network, briefly mentioned by another and the daily newspaper El Norte mentions, and get this: "happened on a parking lot adjacent to Givenchy", when visibly it is Infinito the big green building to one side.

This is not lazy reporting at its best, they know that this crime is minimaly related to organized crime, the daily topic of Monterrey.

I wouldn't panic just yet due to the shooting at a strip club. I live in Houston and shootings at strip clubs are a regular occurence, sadly enough. Moments gc on 45 north has at least one shooting a year. St james, a very high end gc also off 45 north has multiple shootings in the last few years. I was personally inside Hottys on westpark when a fight went down and some idiot shot 2 people INSIDE THE FUCKING CLUB. I was there and witnessed the whole thing. I literally saw my life flash before my eyes when I heard the gunshots. Another time I saw some guys almost get beat to death in the parking lot at Babe's on westpark. And these are just the incidents that happened to catch my attention. I'm sure alot more shit goes down in Houston strip clubs that I don't know about.

So for me personally one shooting at el infinito is bad but it still isn't as bad as I've seen here in my own hometown. And I'll be the first to say I'm praying that was just an isolated incident because like I said in my last post I absolutely love that place.

Member #3453

02-09-11, 04:06

The Eminent Duke

02-09-11, 05:35

MonterreyDude

02-11-11, 08:54

Infinito was business as usual tonight.

Cold near freezing temperatures this night affected a little since not many girls were around at other clubs like Pasarelas and Azul, but everything was running smoothly at the clubs.

Swedish customers at Azul, the same American after Gisselle in Pasarelas.... same old, same old.

Agreed. Seems to be an altercation between known enemies. And, Jinx is right, it does happen quite regularly in all major cities in the US. Actually, the record down around El Infinito is relatively clean compared to some of the similar kinds of drinking venues we have in the US.

Lets hope the trend of violence against random civilians doesn't evolve forward. I am keeping my fingers crossed.

MonterreyDude

03-01-11, 18:44

Now, this is really scary.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110301/hl_nm/us_cancer_vaccine

But quite foreseeable.

After all, same as in STD, I mean, it's not just the women that are carriers.

MonterreyDude

03-13-11, 00:47

A monger visiting Monterrey named some of the girls working at Givenchy munchkins and they truely deserve the name.

Right now there are like 6 girls, more than petite. Outright diminutive girls working at the brother club Givenchy that stands to one side of Infinito.

They are not dwarfs, just girls with too much ethinic genes that make them small. Maybe pretty to some, but quite popular to the customers of Givenchy.

Funny thing that the monger visiting Monterrey said: "one of those girls could fullfill my fantasy of a BJ, me standing, she standing without kneeling".

NO kidding. They can.

Larbo

03-13-11, 04:31

MonterreyDude

04-04-11, 05:55

Oh well.

Many speak of finding hidden gems within seldom visited clubs.

Visiting MongerC1 wanted to see all the clubs at Madero Ave.

Damn if we landed at Palmeiras, a club that is. I don't know, coveted for some reason by all SC girls in MTY.

Some how they believe it's like a Shangrila for them. The place where they will all be happy climbing up a pole.

Not at all.

MongerC1 says he liked the place cause he like gritty on the fringe clubs.

Not me. I did not like the girls, there were not that many, club reminded me of Extasis, but Extasis was a true now gone GEM.

Then we went to Azul Tequila.

AT is home of robbers and thieves.

MongerC1 loved Azul Tequila. He loved the girls, loved the atmosphere (yeah, right).

Met the girl of his dreams there. But WOW, was he scammed.

Pricing was never OK, even when the customer sees on the walls the prices of drinks, lady drinks, jarras and bottles.

MC1 was overcharged and overpriced on everything.

20 percent hard rate.

Waiter just charged everything on anything.

A 350 peso jarra. 3.100 peso lady drinks, one 60 pesos pack of smokes, one 100 peso dance session and 3 30 peso soft drinks turned into 1200 peso tab.

Do the math and see if it checks out!

I went back to Azul Tequila and confronted him on the criminal way he charged MC1 and he just couldn't help hiding under the proverbial rock.

He just kept saying "it's the usual 20%"

Hell, you idiots are not waiters in a US Olive Garden's extorting money from the customers.

Well, nothing gained out of this. I never mess with a waiter more than I should, but I let it be known to him, that if the plays as a straight arrow from now on, I will keep having him as my waiter.

And yes, it works.

Nevermind, MongerC1 had fun at Azul Tequila.

Is it worth the 20% surcharge?

Member #3453

04-04-11, 10:19

then we went to azul tequila. at is home of robbers and thieves.almost an understatement!

i recall visiting at not too long ago, and taking two girls into the privados. they literally attempted to pick my pockets of loose change!

the waiters will regularly attempt highway robbery. they love to inflate the tab, pull the billette changaroo, present a total for the tab with no itemization of things you've purchase, being of assistance with their little flashlights to assist you so graciously at reading the tab, which has no itemization but has been ridiculously inflated, totally bogus charges that do not correlate with the actual itemized cost of what you purchased. they regularly quote the wrong pricing for drinks, the correct price for which is plainly posted in bright orange colored signage.

they do not typically pull their shenanigans with me these days, but they will still attempt it even now if i drop my guard, or if the waiter or the girl is a relative newbie, not knowing i am totally on to them.

azul tequilla just has a deep seeded culture of corruption that goes with the territory. i can accept it as a viable option because i know to look for the pitfalls, fact is, i expect them in advance.

azul tequilla is not for the newbie, or the wide eyed gringo, unless of course they are on to them in advance, have significant "game" in mexico, and can field the continual attempts at larceny with relative ease.

but, if you can keep your wits about you, and remain ever vigilant, and constantly on guard for their antics, then the place does sometimes have some hot girls.

i never run a tab at azul tequilla, and i always point out the denomination of bills i give them in order to get correct change. the girls love to ask you to buy them cigaros, and not because they need them. they probably have the equivalent to a warehouse full of them in the back already from others they've scammed. it's a ruse they use to screw up the tab, and inflate your bill. i just tell them i have a severe allergic reaction to smoke. :-)))

i often purchase jarras at azul tequilla, which is not something i do at very many other establishments. but, the value i seem to receive from the purchase of jarras is pretty decent. 350 pesos is the correct amount charged for jarras there, and you seem to get your money's worth if you take the girl into one of the private rooms, which should cost you nothing extra. the girls seem to offer a pretty good value in the private rooms, and i haven't had them try to cut me short on time, or cut out and leave me sitting in there biding my time.

the value of a jarra at azul t has always shocked me. i am always waiting for them to screw that up. but, jarras have become my activity of choice at at, and so far i have not been disappointed.

by the way, parthenon has changed it's name to primeras (sp). was there the other night, and the motif hasn't changed compared to the old parthenon, or the caliber of girls, nor the quality of selection. so, everything about the place is routine. the notorious reputation of "parthenon" must have motivated them to change the name, making a clean break from prior charges of "****d" girls, a ridiculous, and totally bogus accusation. i haven't heard of any ownership changes.

MonterreyDude

04-04-11, 18:00

correct spelling: primores.

parthenon is now primores.

almost an understatement!

i recall visiting at not too long ago, and taking two girls into the privados. they literally attempted to pick my pockets of loose change!

the waiters will regularly attempt highway robbery. they love to inflate the tab, pull the billette changaroo, present a total for the tab with no itemization of things you've purchase, being of assistance with their little flashlights to assist you so graciously at reading the tab, which has no itemization but has been ridiculously inflated, totally bogus charges that do not correlate with the actual itemized cost of what you purchased. they regularly quote the wrong pricing for drinks, the correct price for which is plainly posted in bright orange colored signage.

they do not typically pull their shenanigans with me these days, but they will still attempt it even now if i drop my guard, or if the waiter or the girl is a relative newbie, not knowing i am totally on to them.

azul tequilla just has a deep seeded culture of corruption that goes with the territory. i can accept it as a viable option because i know to look for the pitfalls, fact is, i expect them in advance.

azul tequilla is not for the newbie, or the wide eyed gringo, unless of course they are on to them in advance, have significant "game" in mexico, and can field the continual attempts at larceny with relative ease.

but, if you can keep your wits about you, and remain ever vigilant, and constantly on guard for their antics, then the place does sometimes have some hot girls.

i never run a tab at azul tequilla, and i always point out the denomination of bills i give them in order to get correct change. the girls love to ask you to buy them cigaros, and not because they need them. they probably have the equivalent to a warehouse full of them in the back already from others they've scammed. it's a ruse they use to screw up the tab, and inflate your bill. i just tell them i have a severe allergic reaction to smoke..)

i often purchase jarras at azul tequilla, which is not something i do at very many other establishments. but, the value i seem to receive from the purchase of jarras is pretty decent. 350 pesos is the correct amount charged for jarras there, and you seem to get your money's worth if you take the girl into one of the private rooms, which should cost you nothing extra. the girls seem to offer a pretty good value in the private rooms, and i haven't had them try to cut me short on time, or cut out and leave me sitting in there biding my time.

the value of a jarra at azul t has always shocked me. i am always waiting for them to screw that up. but, jarras have become my activity of choice at at, and so far i have not been disappointed.

by the way, parthenon has changed it's name to primeras (sp). was there the other night, and the motif hasn't changed compared to the old parthenon, or the caliber of girls, nor the quality of selection. so, everything about the place is routine. the notorious reputation of "parthenon" must have motivated them to change the name, making a clean break from prior charges of "****d" girls, a ridiculous, and totally bogus accusation. i haven't heard of any ownership changes.

Bbond

04-05-11, 05:38

Almost an understatement!

The waiters will regularly attempt highway robbery. They love to inflate the tab, pull the billette changaroo. This is status quo for Mexico. If a guy has not found out or understood this, he is in for an expensive education.

Bbond

04-05-11, 05:58

Nevermind, MongerC1 had fun at Azul Tequila.

Is it worth the 20% surcharge? MD, that question surprises me. I see guys come into Nuevo Laredo, guys that make it here once in a couple months. They literally shower girls with money, girls that deserve 1/2 (or less) of what they pay. Buying drinks and flowers, etc, without limit. Worth it? To you and I, NO, but to them yes.

I've seen guys pay a girl, that is a usual 300-400 peso girl, pay her 1000 pesos.

Worth it? Again, to you and I, no, but to them yes. They had fun and that's the bottom line.

Member #3453

04-05-11, 12:46

This is status quo for Mexico. If a guy has not found out or understood this, he is in for an expensive education.Seasoned veterans that are known to the establishment don't regularly experience that level of corruption in Monterrey. In Azul Tequilla, yes. That's why it merits specific mention. It isn't "the" worst, but it's worse than most of the others we frequent. Because we are regularly treated relatively fairly as regulars in most of the bars we frequent, it's just kind of shocking. When most of the other bars we frequent have learned they are wasting their time with such non-sense, Azul Tequilla persists in the same old dance.

You know what I mean Bbond. There are places you frequent that know you, places that simply wouldn't try these sophomoric attempts at larceny on someone they regularly serve. Certainly, they would attempt it on the unsuspecting, wide eyed Gringo, or newbie, but not on somebody they see every week. But, Azul Tequilla, they NEVER give up. And, that is unique, at least it is for us in Monterrey. Those kinds of places keep us on our toes, but with the unsuspecting, wide eyed, newbie Gringo, they are perilous.

Larbo

04-05-11, 15:27

Went into El Infi on Madero last night. Dead slow. 6 girls and 5 customers. Grabbed the leggy brunette for toda la noche and left.

As a club, this place is not worth walking in the door except on weekends. The two times I've been there on a weekend were o-k.

The bar fine here is rediculous. He wants 600 pesos. If I hadn't set a precedent at a substancially lower price on my first visit I wouldn't even consider it.

The leggy brunette is the only reason I go in there.

MonterreyDude

04-06-11, 01:48

Ridiculous as in too high or too low?

I read it as cheap considering you took a girl out of the shift, not for a while, but for the full shift.

Went into El Infi on Madero last night. Dead slow. 6 girls and 5 customers. Grabbed the leggy brunette for toda la noche and left.

As a club, this place is not worth walking in the door except on weekends. The two times I've been there on a weekend were o-k.

The bar fine here is rediculous. He wants 600 pesos. If I hadn't set a precedent at a substancially lower price on my first visit I wouldn't even consider it.

The leggy brunette is the only reason I go in there.

Member #3453

04-06-11, 04:55

Ridiculous as in too high or too low?

I read it as cheap considering you took a girl out of the shift, not for a while, but for the full shift.

Normal bar fine for the Infinito Chain is 350 pesos every 1.5 to 2 hours. Sounds more like a HUGE bargain to me at 600 pesos, if she was gone for the full shift. However, 600 pesos bar fine compared to Casino, or Pasarelas, for example, would not be out of line. They want 850 pesos in those bars for 1.5 hours. So, if the girl is a known quantity, it might be worth 600 pesos for 1.5 hours. But, being a relative cheap skate, I break out in hives if I have to pay more than about 400 pesos for 2 hours. ;-)))

Larbo

04-06-11, 13:20

I guess I wasn't too clear.

The El Infi manager wants 600 pesos for a normal 1 to1-1/2 hour salida. I have a standard reduced rate for that time period. When I have a take out for all night, I do pay three times my usual rate.

I think 600 pesos for 1 or 1-1/2 hours is too much, which is why I never go to the high end clubs anymore. I can get just as pretty a girl from Infinito's.

MonterreyDude

04-06-11, 18:02

Ok, now I get it.

High bar fine must have been because they were extremly low on girls.

It happens. They gather they might balance the abscence of the girl charging more on the bar fine and scare the customer into not doing it.

I guess I wasn't too clear.

The El Infi manager wants 600 pesos for a normal 1 to1-1/2 hour salida. I have a standard reduced rate for that time period. When I have a take out for all night, I do pay three times my usual rate.

I think 600 pesos for 1 or 1-1/2 hours is too much, which is why I never go to the high end clubs anymore. I can get just as pretty a girl from Infinito's.

MonterreyDude

04-06-11, 18:24

Forgot to add on MongerC1's visit that we went to Prestige.

Prestige has been suffering sever internal political and business changes since they decided to rehire an old time veteran manager to control Prestige and Casino.

First thing he does is get rid of the divas that do not pay attention to him.

Turns our these divas atract customers. Once gone, customers stop flowing.

Next he decides to stop hiring or letting girls that study and work at the same time for the afternoon shift.

Again, as many know, these girls marked the difference in the afternoon shift: No harden veterans, easy going girls with nice character. No rough players. Not money grabbers.

Manager decides to hire veterans for the afternoon shift, girls that will get money our of the customers pockets.

One slight problem: harden veteran girls know that the afternoon shift is slim pickens for them. Money is abundant at night, not the afternoon.

So, in less than a week, the shift is totally ruined. Absolutly desvastated.

And his logic and the way he aplies it, reflects on the "feel" of the club's atmosphere.

Girls are demoralized. They know the shift is dead and if nothing is done by the owners, the club will die.

Low moral could be felt when MongerC1 and me were there last.

You can cut the tension with a knife. Girls are not entuthiastic, willing to sit with customers. Willing to do their job.

They just sit on sofas staring around at the empty club.

Food is still great a Prestige, at least.

And that's what we did: eat and said "goodbye" and leave.

Kept joking that next time we should go to Plaza Fiesta San Agustin mall: The way Prestige is right now, at the mall there are more food options, better looking girls walking around and with a higher chance to hit it off with them than at the club.

Dad Fun 555

04-06-11, 18:46

MD, that question surprises me. I see guys come into Nuevo Laredo, guys that make it here once in a couple months. They literally shower girls with money, girls that deserve 1/2 (or less) of what they pay. Buying drinks and flowers, etc, without limit. Worth it? To you and I, NO, but to them yes.

I've seen guys pay a girl, that is a usual 300-400 peso girl, pay her 1000 pesos.

Worth it? Again, to you and I, no, but to them yes. They had fun and that's the bottom line.True everywhere. People who travel to monger will spend more generally than locals, usually people travel to places where mongering is cheaper (geographic arbitrage) which also usually means local wages will be lower. Unless you live in an area with very high income disparity and are earning at the high end of that, it is difficult to spend as much locally as "two week millionaires" who come into town every so often but live large when they do it.

MonterreyDude

04-07-11, 16:34

Dad Fun, the original intention of my post to which Bbond commented was about being ripped-off.

My Azul Tequila post was about being robbed an act that the club waiters do to to both locals and non locals. They have been doing it forever and I gather they will still be doing it in the future.
This is not about spending more than the locals, nor enjoying being ripped-off and the waste of money it implies.
And it is also not that quite correct to afirm that out of towners spend more than locals.

Not in Monterrey, not at all, since Monterrey does not cater to tourists in general and in specifics the clubs are not geared to atract tourists at all.

Americans coming to the city are surprised to find out that the 5 star clubs are sometimes even more expensive than clubs in the US, thus limiting themselves to watch rather than spend.

True everywhere. People who travel to monger will spend more generally than locals, usually people travel to places where mongering is cheaper (geographic arbitrage) which also usually means local wages will be lower. Unless you live in an area with very high income disparity and are earning at the high end of that, it is difficult to spend as much locally as "two week millionaires" who come into town every so often but live large when they do it.

Larbo

04-27-11, 18:57

I called two of my favoritas from El Infi to my hotel last night. 4/26, and they told me that El Infi has moved.

It used to be on Modero, between Felix Gomez and the Soriana. They told me it has moved to a new location, still on Modero, but about two blocks east of Villagran. I don't know any more about it than that, but if anyone is interested enough to check it out, please do. I have no reason to go there this trip, as I have already punched the tickets of my two favoritas that work there.

MonterreyDude

04-28-11, 07:57

2 blocks east of Villagran on Madero. Impossible, totally.

No bar area at all there.

Contrary to that. 2 blocks west you have the Matehuala, part of the family.

Maybey you got a blotched text, girl speciallity.

Maybe what they were trying to tell you was that they moved to Matehuala and they are working there.

I called two of my favoritas from El Infi to my hotel last night. 4/26, and they told me that El Infi has moved.

It used to be on Modero, between Felix Gomez and the Soriana. They told me it has moved to a new location, still on Modero, but about two blocks east of Villagran. I don't know any more about it than that, but if anyone is interested enough to check it out, please do. I have no reason to go there this trip, as I have already punched the tickets of my two favoritas that work there.

Larbo

04-29-11, 14:49

Took a walk yesterday, Thursday, three blocks east and three blocks west of Villagran on both Modero and Colon. Didn`t see anything, so the girls either screwed up the directions, or I misunderstood their Spanish, (very probable). It is possible, like the `Dude said, just they have moved to Matahuala.

I will find out for sure next trip in about three weeks, unless I decide to visit Matahuala today or tomorrow to see if the girls are there.

Other than this minor issue, I am having another great Monterrey experience. After my exploration, I walked down to Infinito, s to check out the stock. The place was wall to wall with new faces. I took a couple of them upstairs for further exploration, but ended up renewing an old flame who specializes in the oral arts.

Member #3453

04-30-11, 12:34

Took a walk yesterday, Thursday, three blocks east and three blocks west of Villagran on both Modero and Colon

Something I always used to do to fill the time during the day was to visit the Flea markets on Reforma. Things are slow in the bars during the day, and some guys found some strange with the door girls in the Flea markets on Reforma Street.

I never (well maybe twice in my life) really patronized the door girls in the flea markets on Reforma, between Pino Suarez and Juarez, not enough to comment with much in the way of specifics, or with any kind of informative recommendations, etc...I did frequently enjoy rummaging through the crap they have in the flea markets, just for something to do during the day.

Actually, I did patronize one of the door girls a few months ago, and didn't particularly care for the experience. But, I was hopeful, going into the experiment with a degree of hopeful optimism, thinking that perhaps I was being too demanding on the experience as a whole in the past, my coming from a preference for the salida experience rather than having preferences for massage or escorts.

I had hoped that perhaps I had found a cheap alternative, salidas being relatively expensive. I had not patronized the Reforma girls for many years, and thought that perhaps I should give them another try. The whole thing was not particularly to my liking, but as I said, it was a cheaper alternative.

We haven't seen many guys on the ISG that have partaken in that particular venue, and reported on it. The range of experiences down there is likely all over the board. I doubt there is a particular common scenario down there that would dictate a particular kind of expectation one way or the other. So, the territory is wide open for reporting on the ISG. A new and virtually untested frontier.

The girl I selected was young and hot...just not a great "environment." The cost ran around 300 pesos for a half hour. The girls usually had their own facilities so their wasn't typically a hotel bill, although some arranged for their own hotel rooms, versus the cubicle style dedicated facilities like you find in a massage parlor. There are numbers of flea bag style hotels in that area, mostly hidden within a labyrinth of little flea market booths. I don't know if you have to pay an up-charge at times for a room, or if the girls have that covered each and every time.

In my own very limited experience, the room was already covered, and the whole scenario seemed much like a massage parlor kind of thing, where the girl leads you to a "mama san" who opens a room up, not a hotel, and gives you about 30 minutes to do your business, etc...I believe the range of experience among the flea markets was always hit and miss for most guys in the past, and one that was not consistent one to the other with respect to whether you are going into a hotel, or just a dedicated, massage parlor kind of environment where they're renting space, and throwing a few cheap, but relatively sturdy, cots into a cubicle kind of place.

But, the whole experience is more like a low end massage parlor kind of thing, especially compared with salidas, fraught with potential for the up-sell, hot in the summer, dirty rooms, no frills, less comfort, etc...But, in a pinch, if you know how to take control, they were an alternative for some. Certainly, some of the girls you would see standing within the labyrinth of flea markets between Pino Suarez and Juarez, were every bit as hot as many of the girls I've seen working in the bars, young, hot, etc...but, of course, in that environment, just as many old hags and dogs too.

But, with respect to the young hotties, strolling around in the flea markets offered a little added treat as you strolled past a mini "presentation," their standing in a line as you walked past tables full of stuff for sale.

For those traveling to Monterrey, with time to kill, it has always been a good distraction during the day anyway. My routine no longer has me visiting down there like I used to, my not having time to kill during the day like before, and I've missed it. It has always been a wide-open, and virtually unreported venue in the past, and I just never got around to spending the energy reserves to fully explore it.

Strike 69

05-01-11, 13:55

www.prestige.com.mx

www.obsessionvip.com

www.haremmensclub.com

www.amnesiamonterrey.com

www.premiermonterrey.com

www.coloradosmonterrey.com

www.charromensclub.com

Larbo

05-11-11, 22:35

[QUOTE=Unspongebob; 1150552]Something I always used to do to fill the time during the day was to visit the Flea markets on Reforma. Things are slow in the bars during the day, and some guys found some strange with the door girls in the Flea markets on Reforma Street.

Is this flea market and girl thing open on a Sunday? My next trip down will hold me over the weekend, and Sunday is DEAD during the day in Monterrey. Maybe something quick in the afternoon before the evening festivities?

Member #3453

05-12-11, 15:33

[QUOTE=Unspongebob; 1150552]Is this flea market and girl thing open on a Sunday? My next trip down will hold me over the weekend, and Sunday is DEAD during the day in Monterrey. Maybe something quick in the afternoon before the evening festivities?Everything was open on Sunday in the past. The girls that stand at the hotels on Pino Suarez and Reforma were always dogs. I used to like walking between Pino Suarez East to about Juarez on Reforma. There is a small hotel in there where the girls stood outside the hotel. They were the hottest. The other selections that are to the East on Reforma did not impress me. You can see them standing outside the hotel, and there are a few that stand on the West side of Pino Suarez. But, the "hotties" were always to the East of Pino Suarez on Reforma.

Larbo

05-23-11, 14:38

Took a stroll down reforma Sunday, and discovered the new location of El Infi. It is on the west side of Nervo, between Reforma and Madero.

It is a much larger place with one large central stage, high ceilings, and seating all around the stage. Very similar layout to Tangalay. I did not check out the privados. It is the same management with most of the same girls, plus about ten more of varying sizes and shapes. A lot more customers, especially for a Sunday.

I was immediately recognized by the manager, who came over to tell me that the leggy brunette was working. After a short but friendly argument, I negotiated my previous deal regarding salida fees, and left for toda la noche with the leggy brunette.

Diehard88

06-23-11, 23:32

Larbo

06-24-11, 12:26

This has to be it, between Reforma and Madera, on the right side.

http://goo.gl/maps/4y4X

Please confirm. Thanks. El Infi is on Nervo.

Infinito's is on Villagran,

These are two different clubs. Infinito's is much larger, and the one most talked about. El Infi is where one of my favoritos works, and has a lot fewer girls, but a couple of them are choice.

MonterreyDude

06-26-11, 15:42

Just to clarify.

In case you need to ask for the street, localy Nervo St. Is refered to by it's full name, Amado Nervo. In this specific case we don't call it just "Nervo"

El Infi is on Nervo.

Infinito's is on Villagran,

These are two different clubs. Infinito's is much larger, and the one most talked about. El Infi is where one of my favoritos works, and has a lot fewer girls, but a couple of them are choice.

Larbo

07-01-11, 04:50

Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday satisfied the requirements of my favoritas, so I went to Infinito's tonight, Thursday, to see what strange I could find, and to check out the situation regarding perceived danger. I have been staying at the Holiday Inn in San Nicolas lately, and the chicas at Infinito's do not usually dress well enough to get in there without showing up on the radar, so I determined to stretch my own horizons by getting it on in those nasty privados. That is something I have never done. I usually use them to check out the goods before I salida a chica to the hotel.

Got there about 8:30, a little later than my usual time. Place was jumping for a Thursday night. There were two stages going, and chicas trolling. I saw only two chicas that recognized me, and about three more that I recognized as regulars. The turnover in this place is astounding. The manager and two of my favorite waiters came over to greet me, and we chatted a bit. I wasn't interested in the two chicas that I knew, so I sent my favorite waiter off to scout up a chica that might be willing to do my bidding in the privados. He seems to know just who will do what, and he certainly knows my tastes. Scored a leggy brunette that was within my parameters. And took her upstairs. She was a newby at BBBJ-CIM, but was willing, so I helped her out a bit by showing her just what I liked. Price was stupid cheap at 250 pesos, but it took me three songs to get the job done, so, total expenditure was 50 for the initial salida fee, plus 250 for the chica, plus 150 for the extra time, which totals 450 pesos. Fourty dollars US for BBBJ-CIM with a girl a quantum leap better that you could get in the US for that price. What a place!

As for the feeling of safety? Maybe it is because I smile a lot, and take obviously delight in checking out the chicas, but I felt no danger whatsoever. Two guys standing behind me at the rail were watching me when I first came in, and by the time I left, were fully involved with my little adventure. Despite the language barrier, we passed judgement on all the dancers, and they watched my beer when I went upstairs. When I came back down, I used international sign language to tell them just how great a shot it was, and the chicas reaction to the blessed event. I never once felt like I was in any danger.

Now, if I had been drinking a lot and getting agressive, I have no doubt I could have found all the trouble I wanted. But that's not me. I am interested in the common denominator of most males, women willing to f__k my eyeballs out. I firmly believe that if you smile a lot, involve others in your enjoyment, and are out only to have a good time looking for a chica to f__k, you will have no trouble whatsoever in a club. This is just my opinion, based on my experience, not only in Monterrey, but also in a few places a lot more dangerous.

MonterreyDude

07-01-11, 18:17

Seems the heavy rains from the after effects of the Arlene tropical depression didn't stop you from going to Infinito. Good!

Rain, snow, hail. Am there too. Plus the rain kinda stopped during SC hours LOL.

Best place to be at.

Let me mention one thing from my point of view: your turnover criteria, I don't agree with you.

One of the most recent problems of Infinito is that business has been slow due to the fact that some of the best girls have left with no one coming in. Plus many girls were no show yesterday due to the rain.

Dascha, Marian, Maki / Samantha, Zully, Jade, Valeria and her sister, Priscilla, Susan, Paris, Joselyn are either going only on weekends, on pregnancy leave or just simply retired.

That might be the turnover perception you are getting. The ones that were eclipesed by the regular hotties are now front liners.

Wouldn't be the first or the last time I've noticed this at the clubs.

But in this aspect I would say that it all depends on personal tastes. One tends to notice the girls one likes, which is prefectly all right.

I only found one of my regulars yesterday. So, one man's heaven is another man's hell.

Larbo, there is on recomendation I would like to pass along: never have a BB session of any kind with an Infinito girl.

This is like playing Russian roulette with 3 bullets instead of 1.

Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday satisfied the requirements of my favoritas, so I went to Infinito's tonight, Thursday, to see what strange I could find, and to check out the situation regarding perceived danger. I have been staying at the Holiday Inn in San Nicolas lately, and the chicas at Infinito's do not usually dress well enough to get in there without showing up on the radar, so I determined to stretch my own horizons by getting it on in those nasty privados. That is something I have never done. I usually use them to check out the goods before I salida a chica to the hotel.

Got there about 8:30, a little later than my usual time. Place was jumping for a Thursday night. There were two stages going, and chicas trolling. I saw only two chicas that recognized me, and about three more that I recognized as regulars. The turnover in this place is astounding. The manager and two of my favorite waiters came over to greet me, and we chatted a bit. I wasn't interested in the two chicas that I knew, so I sent my favorite waiter off to scout up a chica that might be willing to do my bidding in the privados. He seems to know just who will do what, and he certainly knows my tastes. Scored a leggy brunette that was within my parameters. And took her upstairs. She was a newby at BBBJ-CIM, but was willing, so I helped her out a bit by showing her just what I liked. Price was stupid cheap at 250 pesos, but it took me three songs to get the job done, so, total expenditure was 50 for the initial salida fee, plus 250 for the chica, plus 150 for the extra time, which totals 450 pesos. Fourty dollars US for BBBJ-CIM with a girl a quantum leap better that you could get in the US for that price. What a place!

As for the feeling of safety? Maybe it is because I smile a lot, and take obviously delight in checking out the chicas, but I felt no danger whatsoever. Two guys standing behind me at the rail were watching me when I first came in, and by the time I left, were fully involved with my little adventure. Despite the language barrier, we passed judgement on all the dancers, and they watched my beer when I went upstairs. When I came back down, I used international sign language to tell them just how great a shot it was, and the chicas reaction to the blessed event. I never once felt like I was in any danger.

Now, if I had been drinking a lot and getting agressive, I have no doubt I could have found all the trouble I wanted. But that's not me. I am interested in the common denominator of most males, women willing to f__k my eyeballs out. I firmly believe that if you smile a lot, involve others in your enjoyment, and are out only to have a good time looking for a chica to f__k, you will have no trouble whatsoever in a club. This is just my opinion, based on my experience, not only in Monterrey, but also in a few places a lot more dangerous.

Larbo

07-01-11, 20:46

Let me mention one thing from my point of view: your turnover criteria, I don't agree with you.

One of the most recent problems of Infinito is that business has been slow due to the fact that some of the best girls have left with no one coming in. Plus many girls were no show yesterday due to the rain.

Dascha, Marian, Maki / Samantha, Zully, Jade, Valeria and her sister, Priscilla, Susan, Paris, Joselyn are either going only on weekends, on pregnancy leave or just simply retired.

That might be the turnover perception you are getting. The ones that were eclipesed by the regular hotties are now front liners.

Wouldn't be the first or the last time I've noticed this at the clubs.

But in this aspect I would say that it all depends on personal tastes. One tends to notice the girls one likes, which is prefectly all right.You are probably right about my perception of the turnover. All I notice is that a lot of girls that I perceive to be hotties are no longer available. You, being there a lot more often than I, would see the flow of change, whereas I would see the change in a series of jumps. Good point.

MonterreyDude

07-09-11, 06:14

An armed group of thugs killed 20 people inside Sabino Gordo in Villagran St. At 9:30 central time.

This is half a block away from Infinito.

I will keep you guys up to date with this terrible news and the after effects on the SCs of the city.

MexCanuck

07-15-11, 15:24

Strike 69

07-15-11, 19:43

A Teibolera girl said in her Facebook that Infinito, Givenchi and Matehuala will be closed today until new advice so she is offering "escort services", anyone can confirm that?

MonterreyDude

07-16-11, 06:42

As of yersterday, Infinito, Matehuala, Givenchy, El Cielo, El Infi and Siamesas, plus Tangalay, Veivis and Mangos have shut down till further notice.

The rest is speculation. No ona knows a thing.

A Teibolera girl said in her Facebook that Infinito, Givenchi and Matehuala will be closed today until new advice so she is offering "escort services", anyone can confirm that?

El Cazador

07-16-11, 14:18

The three clubs in Mitras still are open. They are on calle abraham lincoln west of gonzalitos around two blocks. Very close to the caliente casino. Elefante, mariavelo, new excelente.

In 48 hours last week they make the kill of 40 people in monterrey and many of them the young people. The reazon why they close the clubs in el centro is they fear for the revenge attack on sabino gordo.

I say this before and monterreydude and me have the agreement. Do not go drinking late at night solo in el centro right now. Gringo or mexicano.

MonterreyDude

07-19-11, 19:08

All the Infinito / Matehuala clubs are open again.

Infinito, Matehuala, Givenchy, El Cielo, El Infi and Siamesas opened on Sunday.

DanceLov

07-22-11, 04:08

How is the condition now in Monterrey, is it still unsafe.

Are you aware of any good clubs in the San Pedro area.

I will be back to Monterrey in the next few days.

Don't won't to have a bad experience like I had in Poison last week

MonterreyDude

07-22-11, 08:05

There are no clubs in the San Pedro area, zero.

Only in the Monterrey county.

If you are staying in the San Pedro area, go to Casino which is the closest and a very good mid level club, one notch below Poisson but they boast 35 up to 70 girls in the weekend.

But there is one thing you must be wary of. I think the moment you lay foot at a club they see a mark in you.

You have to be very careful not to let them know you are a newbie in Monterrey and you must be able to let them know, YOU know the business and prices.

Also, I think you were surcharged at Poisson cause you took a hotel taxi. Hotel taxis will get kickbacks and that means your tab will be higher.

So ask your questions. Be prepared when you get here to Monterrey.

How is the condition now in Monterrey, is it still unsafe.

Are you aware of any good clubs in the San Pedro area.

I will be back to Monterrey in the next few days.

Don't won't to have a bad experience like I had in Poison last week

Chicharito900

07-22-11, 12:46

Member #3453

07-24-11, 18:02

Please take extra precautions if you come to Monterrey. My cousin is currently in Monterrey and got robbed after leaving a SC. He was lucky to survive and that the thugs only stole 500 dollars. It could have been much worse. Do not wear anything that would attract robbers such as jewelry and / or expensive clothing. I suggest that you do not take a taxi to any SC as taxi drivers often tip thugs of your location. This was the case in my cousin's example. I hope this helps someone. Strip clubs are really fun but you don't want to lose your life because of it.

Best regards!Your post implies that Monterrey is worse than anywhere else when it comes to doing stupid things. It is NOT!

Try waiving around $500 in my old neighborhood in Detroit, and see how fast you end up dead.

Those are precautions to be observed everywhere. Monterrey doesn't have a monopoly on crime. It's no different than everywhere else when it comes to being just dumb, no offense to your friend. I am sure he would admit he was being very stupid.

I must have used about ten thousand random taxis hailed on the streets of Monterrey, and I've had virtually no problems. I can think of only one time where I might have felt mildly worried. Being victimized by taxi drivers bird dogging for criminals isn't unique to Monterrey. I wouldn't be worried about using random taxis on the street in Monterrey, but I can understand some mongers might.

So, if you don't want to use the taxis you find randomly on the street, you can always strike up a bargain with a trusted hotel taxi driver. There are thousands of them, they are reliable, taxis are cleaner, generally air conditioned in the summer. The hotel desk clerk will summon them for you if you don't speak Spanish, and the drivers are accountable since they're recommended by the hotel staff. Most of them are family men seriously engaged in the taxi business, not part-time weekend warriors trying to make a few extra pesos.

You don't have to cower in your hotel and limit yourself to only patronizing Escort Services. If you want an Escort, fine. But, there are numerous other enjoyable venues, and using a taxi to explore them isn't dangerous.

In addition to your recommendations, I recommend that visitors separate the money they keep on them. When you change your money to pesos, change it all to small denominations, 200 peso bills or under. Keep a very small amount in your shirt pocket, not over 600 pesos(mostly 50, 100 peso bills, and 10 peso coins in your pocket for taxis), all in small denominations, primarily for drinks, tips, taxis, etc., then keep some in a money belt for salidas or longer lasting, more expensive privados, and the balance, the largest amount, in a false pocket. That separates your money, keeps it well hidden on your body, and under your control at all times, not in your hotel room, unless they have a reliable room safe. And, even those can be easily compromised. That way, when you go to pay for something, you're only tapping small denominations of bills, and not flashing money around. It also gives the impression you don't have much money on you.

Sometimes, if you're intending to go on salida, you have to keep larger amounts on you as you're hunting. Just make sure that when you bring the salida money out to pay you do it in total privacy, and only hand it over in a very low key manner. This is sometimes a problem unless you insist paying in private, and it's why I recommend keeping the money in separate locations, locations used for separate and different kinds of transactions. You have to use a different tactic when paying for drinks compared to paying for larger purchases like salidas. You do not want to draw attention to the money you hand them for a salida. So, you should insist that the manager take you somewhere private where you can pay them for the salida. There is usually a dark, dank cubby hole in the bar where that's good for something other than just monkey business.

Often you have to also be concerned with waiters attempting to pull the old switcharoo on bringing you change. 20 pesos for the 200 pesos bill you just handed them. If you're paying for drinks, you're keeping 200 peso bills and under for a reason. So, you will not typically want to run a tab, depending on the club. Why? Because you want to pay for drinks in small denominations, and you don't want to tip off anyone around you that have much money. Do it incrementally, and in small denominations, just like you haven't got two nickels to rub together. Emulate the poor guys sitting around the bar that don't have enough money to even take a girl up for a 50 pesos privado. If you're too flashy, you'll draw unnecessary attention to your level of affluence.

El Cazador

07-24-11, 23:33

Your post implies that Monterrey is worse than anywhere else when it comes to doing stupid things. It is NOT!

Try waiving around $500 in my old neighborhood in Detroit, and see how fast you end up dead.

Those are precautions to be observed everywhere. Monterrey doesn't have a monopoly on crime. It's no different than everywhere else when it comes to being just dumb, no offense to your friend. I am sure he would admit he was being very stupid.

I must have used about ten thousand random taxis hailed on the streets of Monterrey, and I've had virtually no problems. I can think of only one time where I might have felt mildly worried. Being victimized by taxi drivers bird dogging for criminals isn't unique to Monterrey. I wouldn't be worried about using random taxis on the street in Monterrey, but I can understand some mongers might.

So, if you don't want to use the taxis you find randomly on the street, you can always strike up a bargain with a trusted hotel taxi driver. There are thousands of them, they are reliable, taxis are cleaner, generally air conditioned in the summer. The hotel desk clerk will summon them for you if you don't speak Spanish, and the drivers are accountable since they're recommended by the hotel staff. Most of them are family men seriously engaged in the taxi business, not part-time weekend warriors trying to make a few extra pesos.

You don't have to cower in your hotel and limit yourself to only patronizing Escort Services. If you want an Escort, fine. But, there are numerous other enjoyable venues, and using a taxi to explore them isn't dangerous.

In addition to your recommendations, I recommend that visitors separate the money they keep on them. When you change your money to pesos, change it all to small denominations. 200 peso bills or under. Keep a very small amount in your shirt pocket, not over 600 pesos (mostly 50, 100 peso bills, and 10 peso coins in your pocket for taxis) , all in small denominations, primarily for drinks, tips, taxis, etc, then keep some in a money belt for salidas or longer lasting, more expensive privados, and the balance, the largest amount, in a false pocket. That separates your money, keeps it well hidden on your body, and under your control at all times, not in your hotel room, unless they have a reliable room safe. And, even those can be easily compromised. That way, when you go to pay for something, you're only tapping small denominations of bills, and not flashing money around. It also gives the impression you don't have much money on you.

Sometimes, if you're intending to go on salida, you have to keep larger amounts on you as you're hunting. Just make sure that when you bring the salida money out to pay you do it in total privacy, and only hand it over in a very low key manner. This is sometimes a problem unless you insist paying in private, and it's why I recommend keeping the money in separate locations, locations used for separate and different kinds of transactions. You have to use a different tactic when paying for drinks compared to paying for larger purchases like salidas. You do not want to draw attention to the money you hand them for a salida. So, you should insist that the manager take you somewhere private where you can pay them for the salida. There is usually a dark, dank cubby hole in the bar where that's good for something other than just monkey business.

Often you have to also be concerned with waiters attempting to pull the old switcharoo on bringing you change. 20 pesos for the 200 pesos bill you just handed them. If you're paying for drinks, you're keeping 200 peso bills and under for a reason. So, you will not typically want to run a tab, depending on the club. Why? Because you want to pay for drinks in small denominations, and you don't want to tip off anyone around you that have much money. Do it incrementally, and in small denominations, just like you haven't got two nickels to rub together. Emulate the poor guys sitting around the bar that don't have enough money to even take a girl up for a 50 pesos privado. If you're too flashy, you'll draw unnecessary attention to your level of affluence.I have the diffucult to understand you. You say here you "used about ten thousand random taxis hailed on the streets of Monterrey" but I see your report on 8-20-2010 you make the title to your report "First Impression" because is you first time to visit Monterrey.

You take 10000 taxis in less than one year?

Member #3453

07-25-11, 03:54

I have the diffucult to understand you. You say here you "used about ten thousand random taxis hailed on the streets of Monterrey" but I see your report on 8-20-2010 you make the title to your report "First Impression" because is you first time to visit Monterrey.

You take 10000 taxis in less than one year?The truth is, I probably have taken about 10, 000 taxis in Monterrey, and I don't notice any difference between now a few years ago, certainly no worse than the taxis I've taken in other countries while mongering. The prices from the Airport to El Centro have climbed higher. But, the cost of running around in taxis in El Centro seems like it's about the same as it always was. You can go almost anywhere in El Centro for about 20-30 pesos.

I had been absent Monterrey for a while, but I'm back now, and regularly visiting the bars, catching up, etc. You say I entitled my comments as a "first impression? " If you say so.

I guess I intended to comment about the changes I observed in Monterrey after being absent for a time. Honestly, I don't notice too much of a difference in the strip clubs now versus a year or two ago, at least not with respect to dangers being higher. A few of my favorites have closed down though, and the girls I used to see have grown older, and are no longer in the biz.

I suppose the danger level in Mexico is an undisputed fact. But, to sit in the strip clubs, and live your daily life as a monger, you wouldn't know anything has changed, except for the visibility of the Mexican Army and Federal Police.

Those were, and still are, my "impressions" after hearing all about the dangers of Monterrey.

MonterreyDude

07-25-11, 08:11

I will also agree that sometimes the clubs will be dangerous.

As a matter of fact any place where people walk around with money will be dangerous to those that flash said money around.

Never ever carry more money on you, than you anticipate you use.

Yes, carry cash and never use credit cards.

Yes, always carry small bills and some big denomination bills too.

Chicharito can you please tell us the name of the club where your cousin was robbed?

"My cousin was robbed after leaving a SC" is very vague. Very important for all mongers reading the forum to know which club, name, time of day or night.

Your post implies that Monterrey is worse than anywhere else when it comes to doing stupid things. It is NOT!

Try waiving around $500 in my old neighborhood in Detroit, and see how fast you end up dead.

Those are precautions to be observed everywhere. Monterrey doesn't have a monopoly on crime. It's no different than everywhere else when it comes to being just dumb, no offense to your friend. I am sure he would admit he was being very stupid.

I must have used about ten thousand random taxis hailed on the streets of Monterrey, and I've had virtually no problems. I can think of only one time where I might have felt mildly worried. Being victimized by taxi drivers bird dogging for criminals isn't unique to Monterrey. I wouldn't be worried about using random taxis on the street in Monterrey, but I can understand some mongers might.

So, if you don't want to use the taxis you find randomly on the street, you can always strike up a bargain with a trusted hotel taxi driver. There are thousands of them, they are reliable, taxis are cleaner, generally air conditioned in the summer. The hotel desk clerk will summon them for you if you don't speak Spanish, and the drivers are accountable since they're recommended by the hotel staff. Most of them are family men seriously engaged in the taxi business, not part-time weekend warriors trying to make a few extra pesos.

You don't have to cower in your hotel and limit yourself to only patronizing Escort Services. If you want an Escort, fine. But, there are numerous other enjoyable venues, and using a taxi to explore them isn't dangerous.

In addition to your recommendations, I recommend that visitors separate the money they keep on them. When you change your money to pesos, change it all to small denominations. 200 peso bills or under. Keep a very small amount in your shirt pocket, not over 600 pesos (mostly 50, 100 peso bills, and 10 peso coins in your pocket for taxis) , all in small denominations, primarily for drinks, tips, taxis, etc, then keep some in a money belt for salidas or longer lasting, more expensive privados, and the balance, the largest amount, in a false pocket. That separates your money, keeps it well hidden on your body, and under your control at all times, not in your hotel room, unless they have a reliable room safe. And, even those can be easily compromised. That way, when you go to pay for something, you're only tapping small denominations of bills, and not flashing money around. It also gives the impression you don't have much money on you.

Sometimes, if you're intending to go on salida, you have to keep larger amounts on you as you're hunting. Just make sure that when you bring the salida money out to pay you do it in total privacy, and only hand it over in a very low key manner. This is sometimes a problem unless you insist paying in private, and it's why I recommend keeping the money in separate locations, locations used for separate and different kinds of transactions. You have to use a different tactic when paying for drinks compared to paying for larger purchases like salidas. You do not want to draw attention to the money you hand them for a salida. So, you should insist that the manager take you somewhere private where you can pay them for the salida. There is usually a dark, dank cubby hole in the bar where that's good for something other than just monkey business.

Often you have to also be concerned with waiters attempting to pull the old switcharoo on bringing you change. 20 pesos for the 200 pesos bill you just handed them. If you're paying for drinks, you're keeping 200 peso bills and under for a reason. So, you will not typically want to run a tab, depending on the club. Why? Because you want to pay for drinks in small denominations, and you don't want to tip off anyone around you that have much money. Do it incrementally, and in small denominations, just like you haven't got two nickels to rub together. Emulate the poor guys sitting around the bar that don't have enough money to even take a girl up for a 50 pesos privado. If you're too flashy, you'll draw unnecessary attention to your level of affluence.

Member #3453

07-25-11, 15:31

MonterreyDude

07-25-11, 22:06

I would advise you that ATMs are not that safe too.

Maybe the ones on the main streets, and on shopping malls, but be careful and it is preferable to do any transaction during the day time.

The best case would be to pull out only as much as you need when you need it from an ATM. But, for those of us traveling, that gets expensive with the conversion rates and fees. So, you may have larger sums of money on you for travel. I don't like leaving it in the room. I've always felt better having it on me, provided it's well hidden. I always have some decoy pesos in my pocket in small denominations in case of robbery. Leaving it in the room is just as risky, but if the fees aren't an issue, then an ATM is probably the safest.

Member #3453

08-01-11, 04:28

Chicharito can you please tell us the name of the club where your cousin was robbed?It would be nice to know if this really happened, where it happened, and some more details about the circumstances. Maybe the truth is his cousin was "robbed, " but not like he said. Maybe it was more like at Poisson or somewhere by some hotty he just couldn't resist, and he had to come up with an excuse for his wife about why they were missing 5000 pesos. But, when that happens, you can't really reveal too many details about what really happened can you? I would not be shocked to find out that a huge number of these stories have details that will never see the light of day.

Member #3453

08-18-11, 14:56

the closing of the bars on villagran nullifies everything that has ever been posted here. we are all starting over. even regular bars along monterrey, ones that have no connection whatsoever to the sc scene have been closed.

the bars on villagran are a huge segment of the mongering scene in monterrey. these businesses employed several hundreds of bar girls. this will have a profound effect upon every aspect of mongering in monterrey, and upon the reasonably priced segment of the entire sc business in the city. the girls were rep001tered to the wind, desperately looking for something to replace their lost incomes.

these girls are not accustomed to working in factories for $2 an hour. they will not assimilate into a "respectable" vocation. they will be climbing over each other looking for what is familiar and profitable for them.

some are now on face book, attempting to maintain their client base in an unfamiliar venue. this face book phenomenon also suggests that the escort business will be inundated with free lancers intent on desperately finding a viable venue to continue making the income they're accustomed to.

some girls are now in tijuana, nl, etc. but, many the girls have kids, and as the school year begins, they will return to monterrey, and there will be a deluge of girls flocking to new opportunities. the girls have no clue about why the businesses were closed, nor are they sure they will ever be called back.

these girls think only in terms of day to day need, and they will be venturing beyond venues that are comfortable to them. most bar girls tend to have an unbelievably limited knowledge of the other bars in town. all of that has changed as literally hundreds of desperate girls are forced to test new waters. that will start to occur this week.

plus, the power that local government officials have had upon the sc business as a result of these events, their success in closing these businesses for even a short period of time, and the anticipated ordering by mexican federal courts that these businesses be re-opened, something that is anticipated in a few days, will have an affect upon the sc business, and it will forever change things.

the girls are all virtually terrified about returning to villagran to work. even if they open villagran in it's entirety tomorrow, their apprehensions about working in a potentially dangerous environment will forever change the way monterrey sc's address their respective markets, and clientele. some bars that may have catered to a particular clientele in former years, are quite likely to cater to a totally different segment of the market as the girls shift everything around, bringing their former clients with them to new venues.

i think the scene had virtually stagnated anyway. so, while the unknown is a little unsettling, the potential for a new refreshing scene is kind of invigorating, and it may result in a new dynamic and improved sc scene. or not. hoping for the best!