Mr Gogo in the Dominican Republic

[Manny51]

Mr. Gogo,

Given all your experience, what is your feel for how prevalent STD's are in the DR and the north coast? I am not talking about the risk of getting it, since that depends alot on your sexual habits, but rather, how much of it is out there? Most worried about herpes. Is the Sosua scene higher risk than the BB / FOD / Oxygen scene?

You guys are also starting to spook me with the crime thing. Thinking of dumping the rental car and just cabbing it from Santiago, but that will really kill the beaching fun.

[Ath Trainer]

As far as going to Cuba to monger, not right now for me. Its tempting cause its close, its new, cuban girls are hott. Going to a communist country, where we are not suppose to be, to do things that are illegal in the states, is not a good idea, at least for me. If something happens there, theres nobody going to have my back, there, or back home.

Traveling to other countries to monger, with my bad spanish, is enough of a risk for me. The pussy in Tijuana, sxm cur, sosua, and cr will do till Cuba becomes a legal option. Hope I'm still in the biz when it does.

[Troubleman69]

It's interesting what you said about money not "trickling down". Isn't SD not so tourist dependedent as places such as Boca, Punta Cana, Sosua, and Cabarete though? Or are you speaking more in terms of the wealth of the country being concentrated at the top and not trickling down to everyone else?I was speaking of tourist dollars trickling down to the masses. SD is the capital, with more opportunities than many of the other areas, but still it has a very large impoverished population. My contacts are always talking about how difficult it is to find a good paying job there. My comment was basically in response to "I know some of you will say, but why rob from tourists we bring money to the country."

[Frannie]

Mr. Gogo,

Given all your experience, what is your feel for how prevalent STD's are in the DR and the north coast? I am not talking about the risk of getting it, since that depends alot on your sexual habits, but rather, how much of it is out there? Most worried about herpes. Is the Sosua scene higher risk than the BB / FOD / Oxygen scene?I have had bareback sex in the DR for a decade and never caught anything, but am selective with partners for bareback sex and don't have more than one at a time. You can actually buy a self-testing kit for AIDS and test yourself and chica if you wish. Of course you can't do this for herpes.

The estimated number of people aged 15–49 years who were living with HSV-2 worldwide in 2003 was 536 million, or roughly 16% of the world's population in this age range. The percentage is higher in females. One would expect female prostitutes to have an above average incidence wherever you go.

[Mr Gogo]

Mr. Gogo,

Given all your experience, what is your feel for how prevalent STD's are in the DR and the north coast? I am not talking about the risk of getting it, since that depends alot on your sexual habits, but rather, how much of it is out there? Most worried about herpes. Is the Sosua scene higher risk than the BB / FOD / Oxygen scene?

You guys are also starting to spook me with the crime thing. Thinking of dumping the rental car and just cabbing it from Santiago, but that will really kill the beaching fun.I have no proof, but I think stds are under reported in Sosua. I'm seeing more places now doing condom blowjobs, than before. I'm finally adjusting to it myself. I've been very fortunate in the past, maybe its now time for me to play it safe, atleast with first timers. Even if I'm familiar with the girl, my bare backing day's are over when traveling. My Thai girl gets it raw, thats the only one.

[Ath Trainer]

I have had bareback sex in the DR for a decade and never caught anything, but am selective with partners for bareback sex and don't have more than one at a time. You can actually buy a self-testing kit for AIDS and test yourself and chica if you wish. Of course you can't do this for herpes.

The estimated number of people aged 15–49 years who were living with HSV-2 worldwide in 2003 was 536 million, or roughly 16% of the world's population in this age range. The percentage is higher in females. One would expect female prostitutes to have an above average incidence wherever you go.Not as current on my hiv knowledge as I should, but I believe there is a 6 month period after a new test, wher the virus can be dormant, and, therefore the girl could be infected.

[Combo]

Mr. Gogo,

Given all your experience, what is your feel for how prevalent STD's are in the DR and the north coast? I am not talking about the risk of getting it, since that depends alot on your sexual habits, but rather, how much of it is out there? Most worried about herpes. Is the Sosua scene higher risk than the BB / FOD / Oxygen scene?

You guys are also starting to spook me with the crime thing. Thinking of dumping the rental car and just cabbing it from Santiago, but that will really kill the beaching fun.Manny.

Very high percentages of the population have the virus for Herpes and Genital warts. Check the statistics. From that one can reasonably guess that an experienced monger has one or both. However, you can have the virus, but never actually have symptoms. Use a condom.

Aids apparently is pretty damn hard to get. But use a condom anyway.

[Frannie]

Not as current on my hiv knowledge as I should, but I believe there is a 6 month period after a new test, wher the virus can be dormant, and, therefore the girl could be infected.Yes, this is sort of true-although it is not dormant- but if the virus was at such low levels that it was undetectable, she would be less likely to infect you at that time. However if the test is negative, she is in good health, and there is no defined reason to think that she has been exposed to someone with active HIV, then the odds are in your favor.

I think there is always some risk when people have unprotected sex. In real life how many people actually have an HIV test when they meet someone new, both stay celibate for six months, and then both repeat the test? This repeat of the test in done in some situations, for example where a health care worker is potentially infected in the work place and the employer wants to determine liability or lack of liability, as some people might get infected off the job and then later claim it happened at work.

However everyone should make their own decisions about these things, and if a girl refuses, for example, to do a blowjob without a condom, I don't give her a hard time, because at least she is making a decision that should be respected.

[Wrx2005]

Since it is kinda dead in the santiago forum.

DaY 1

Delta flt leaving jfk was 45 minutes late. Arrived at STI at 1:30am. 30 minutes later than it was supposed to be.

Walked out of the terminal and saw a taxi driver with a company sign. He charged me $20us to Albero Suites. I don't think they call the place Filpo Pension.

Even their business cards say Alberto Suites. I had arranged for my blondie chica to be in my room when I got there. I confirmed she was at the hotel waiting for me when I was at the airport getting my luggage. Got to the hotel about 3am.

The reception guy charged me $90 for 3 days. The 1st night was the night of my arrival (the 18th ). I had planned on leaving on the 20th for SD.

Got to my room and blondie is looking sexy. I ended up changing rooms because the refridgerator wasnt working. The a / see didn't seem like it was cooling the room either. Just as I got the last item from the 1st room, I saw a big flying cockroach in the kitchen. I guess that was supposed to be a reminder from my last trip to Sosua in May.

I shower and get in the bed. Blondie is ready for action. After our session, I went to sleep. And rightly so. I aint used to traveling that late.

Day 1. 5.

Later that morning, still the 18th, me and blondie set out for something to eat. She calls her taxi guy Vincent to pick us up. ! St we got to the Scotia Bank on Calle Del Sol why calle Mella. Then he drops us off at a restaurant right next to the monument. Kukaramacara. Food was good came to 1730 pesos. A little more than I thought I'd spend for food.

Next I take her to La Sirena to buy groceries for her and her family. We go to drop the food off, and now I am meeting most of the family, with 2 of her 3 children in the house. The other kid is supposedly with his father. My gut tells me they are still in a relationship, and he has no problem with her doing p4p to support herself. Her family was very appreciative. And then we left.

I wanted a car rental. So Blondie connected me to a guy she knew, and that guy connected me with another guy who rents cars on the strip leading to the airport.

I got a Pontiac Vibe (small suv) for $30 a day. It was a hard transaction because neither one of us understood each other fully.

I'm still not sure this was a good idea because I don't really know what their insurance covers if anything. Now I have to be extremely careful.

I'm not really interested in driving around Santiago unless I have to. The rental is mainly so I can travel to SD, back to STI and then to Sosua / POP.

We drove to Terra Bella mall looking for the hooters. No hooters. Even though the directory in the elevator indicated Hooters was there. I was looking forward to their fish sandwich and some Sangria. Oh well. We went upstairs and found a restaurant that had good food and it was inexpensive.

Eventually we made it back to the hotel. Like the previous night. We fucked and slept until morning.

Day 2.

Set out to look for a restaurant for breakfast. Got a little lost but found a small restaurant across from a tech univeristy. Many nice looking women walking around. Many leaving or going to school, or trying to catch a publico taxi. I tell blondie that I need a pedicure. A few paces from the restaurant is a salon. We go in, and the lady starts doing the pedicure. Now mind you, I am not paying strict attention because I'm too busy trying to use their wifi on my phone. The lady was very nice but she really didn't seem to know how to trim my nails, especially on my big toes. It took almost an hour. Blondie comes over and starts complaining to the lady that my toes didn't look cut properly, and why did it take so long. All of the ladies in the salon were looking stunned because they didn't understand why she was so pissed.

I happen to know she is a little crazy, so it didn't surprise me that much. But then she started calling me stupid in the car, because I allowed the chica to take so long and not to do a good job. I didn't really have a problem with it, because the pedicure was only 250 pesos. And I can easily go elsewhere for a better pedicure. But this chick was pissed about it. I don't think the pedicure was the main problem. Earlier in the salon she asked me for 2300 pesos to get her hair done. I laughed it off, telling her she better buy some food or clothes she don't need that kind of money for hair. So I'm sure that, and having to wait for my pedicure was what really got her upset.

She "told" me to take her to her mothers house. I said, I got a better idea. Lets get your bag from the hotel and you can go home.

We get to the hotel, she barely allows me to stop the car before snatching off her seatbelt, and opening car door. She bolts for the.

Hotel door, they buzz her in. Once in the room she gathers all of her stuff, and starts asking me if I was going to take her home.

I asked her if she was stupid. I said you need to take a taxi. Makes no sense me taking her acting like that. I can see thats not what she wanted. She wanted me to make a big fuss about her leaving.

Anyway, she goes down to the lobby I guess to call or get a taxi. I'm in my room plotting my next move. I notice the wifi is not working so I go downstairs to talk to the front desk guy. I meet the cleaning lady in the hallway, and blondie is on her way back upstairs?

I'm like WTF. I thought I got rid of you. Instead she is complaining about about not having taxi money, and wondering if I was going.

To take her. I reitterated that she should let the front desk call a taxi or call her own taxi. Now she is complaining that she needs money for a taxi. Which is BS, I let her keep 1300 pesos from the change from the food I bought yesterday. I voluntarily gave her 600 pesos for a taxi (which was way too much) and she angrily took it out of my hand. She leaves the hotel, but immediately turns around and looks at me through the gate and tears the money up and throws it on the sidewalk. I went out to get the money, and the front desk guy taped it up. I gave him the 100 peso that he taped.

Now it's time for plan B. But I'm a little unsure about blondie. Am I really done with her?

I was hoping she was gone and I wouldn't have to deal with her unpredictable ass again. But she has already called me 1 hour after she left. I ignored her call. Before all of this, I had set aside money I intended to give her when I was ready to check out Saturday morning. I'm glad I didn't give it to her earlier. I've made that mistake before.

Gave a chica some money on good faith, before we were done. This is a good example of why it's not a good idea to pay a chica too soon just because you may think things are going well. And especially if you are dealing with a chica thats unpredictable at times.

I called a plan B. She is a D Cupid santiago chica. She agreed to meet, but not until tomorrow morning. My guess is it's Friday and she has a sure thing with another dude. My 1st bad sign of plan be, is """"yo no tengo balance disponsible. Llame porfavor. Then later."""puedes recargar mi cuenta por favor? Para acceder al menu de recargas marca #100*12#""""

I haven't even met this chica yet, and she is asking me and telling me how to send her phone credit? She has no balance but she can send me 2 texts to tell me she has no balance? I have already lost interest because I'm sure her RFM is going to extend if we meet tomorrow. She'll probably tell me she needs me to send her money for a taxi. Besides, I'm leaving for SD. What can she do for me in the morning if I'm checking out in a couple of hours?

On a lighter note. Alberto Suites is a hotel for guests and it seems there are residents here as well.

The hotel sits on a narrow side street. 30 calle Santome (near monument and calle Del Sol a busy street ). A small awning out front. You could easily miss this place, driving or walking by.

For 1300 pesos the accomodations were very modest. Small kitchen, full size fridge, little a / see in BR that works only at night. A fan in BR, small color tv. A queen bed. No safe. Blondie had to call twice to get hot water for the shower each night.

For $30 I can't complain. It's an ok place for a short stay traveler. I wouldn't stay a whole week, especially with no safe.

At least I got to have one chica while staying in Santiago. I may set out for the Ahi Bar or some other drinking spot tonight.

I could go to Pasions since I have a car, but don't want to pay a lot for take out.

I have an older Santiago chica I'm supposed to meet, but don't want to call her until I get back from SD after checking out those prospects.

To be continued.

[SavePros321]

Thanks for sharing your report with us bro!


I voluntarily gave her 600 pesos for a taxi (which was way too much) and she angrily took it out of my hand. She leaves the hotel, but immediately turns around and looks at me through the gate and tears the money up and throws it on the sidewalk. I went out to get the money, and the front desk guy taped it up. I gave him the 100 peso that he taped.That was hilarious, LOL. As long as that shit still spends like regular pesos, why not?

[Mr Enternational]

I happen to know she is a little crazy, so it didn't surprise me that much. But then she started calling me stupid in the car, because I allowed the chica to take so long and not to do a good job. I didn't really have a problem with it, because the pedicure was only 250 pesos. And I can easily go elsewhere for a better pedicure. But this chick was pissed about it. I don't think the pedicure was the main problem. Earlier in the salon she asked me for 2300 pesos to get her hair done. I laughed it off, telling her she better buy some food or clothes she don't need that kind of money for hair. So I'm sure that, and having to wait for my pedicure was what really got her upset.

She "told" me to take her to her mothers house. I said, I got a better idea. Lets get your bag from the hotel and you can go home. We get to the hotel, she barely allows me to stop the car before snatching off her seatbelt, and opening car door. She bolts for the Hotel door, they buzz her in. Once in the room she gathers all of her stuff, and starts asking me if I was going to take her home.

I asked her if she was stupid. I said you need to take a taxi. Makes no sense me taking her acting like that. I can see thats not what she wanted. She wanted me to make a big fuss about her leaving.Great report. I thought the purpose of giving girls money is so you would not have all of these problems. It appears to be just the opposite and they tend to want more money. 2300 pesos for a hairdo? It must have been some new thing that she was only willing to try out using your money.
Then he drops us off at a restaurant right next to the monument. Kukaramacara. Food was good came to 1730 pesos. A little more than I thought I'd spend for food.Kukamacara is definitely my favorite place to eat in Santiago. They have some very good drinks as well.

[Wrx2005]

Well decided to make it to the Ahi bar. Plenty of chicas, but not much going on, in terms of potential prospects. In fact. Being there felt like the spanish version of what it feels like to go out in the states. Plenty of women, but they are all teamed up with their girlfriends or with a male companion. I guess p4p venues have spoiled me. I'm used to women fawning all over a guy for him to take her to his hotel. I didn't see the remote chance of that happening. It would be a great place if I was bringing my own company. When I left to go back to the hotel, I saw a few drinking spots around the monument area. Decided it wasnt worth exploring since I'm sure a strong command of spanish would have been necessary.

My plan is to hit the road Sat morning to SD.

One observation. I noticed quite a few women in Santiago driving cars. Especially those that were at the Ahi bar. In the north coast or even in SD, I barely see women driving cars. They mostly rely on public transpo. Many from the north coast seem to be poorer in comparison to what I have observed in Santiago. So I guess the less they depend on a man the more their lifestyle and behavior resembles what is common in the states.

[Wrx2005]

Great report. I thought the purpose of giving girls money is so you would not have all of these problems. It appears to be just the opposite and they tend to want more money. 2300 pesos for a hairdo? It must have been some new thing that she was only willing to try out using your money.Kukamacara is definitely my favorite place to eat in Santiago. They have some very good drinks as well.This is true about her wanting to try a hairstyle. She was looking at some hair on the wall in the salon. When she came over to where I was at to ask me about it, I looked at her as if "you think I'm stupid to pay 2300 pesos for a freaking hair style?"

And of course it would have taken more than an hour for them to install that hair. She was pissed over my pedicure not being done right and / or taking an hour. Suppose she allowed the salon to do her hair. What would she have done if she didn't like how her own hair turned out? Here's the key with her. As long as she is getting what she wants, she don't have a problem inconveniencing somebody else. She would have expected me to put up with waiting for her hair to get done. And of course pay for it.

Interesting how priorities change from moment to moment. Just last month she was texting me that she needed medicine because she had chest pain. 1st she said she was going to Sosua to get the money. I was supposed to take the bait. I didn't. Then she claimed the pain was so bad she can't travel to Sosua. I didn't respond to that text either. She finally got around to asking me directly to do her a favor, and I told her no, I don't send money to anybody. I think not sending her money for a BULLSHIT story trumps paying 250 pesos for an hourlong mediocre pedicure as far as being stupid. But of course she wouldn't give me credit for being smart in that instance. LOL

[Manny51]

Manny.

Very high percentages of the population have the virus for Herpes and Genital warts. Check the statistics. From that one can reasonably guess that an experienced monger has one or both. However, you can have the virus, but never actually have symptoms. Use a condom.

Aids apparently is pretty damn hard to get. But use a condom anyway.Thanks GoGo and Combo,

Yeah, that echoes my sentiments. Not really too concerned about AIDS. If you wear a condom, female to male transmission is pretty difficult. Herpes is another story. I dread the idea of getting it even from kissing. A lesion around the mouth? You can't hide that at work. That's why I try to go higher end when I can. I would only hit Oxygen or FOD for me, although by doing so, I am assuming that the girls are being tested frequently enough to be useful, and that they don't work in Sosua on the side. If you read the other forums, there was a guy that shared just getting Herpes around his mouth from an FKK. FKKs are just bad news. I get tested for everything twice a year and have been lucky enough to stay clean.

BTW, they do test at FOD at BB, don't they? That's not just BS advertising is it?

[Charles Pooter]

And of course it would have taken more than an hour for them to install that hair.Three to five hours depending on complexity.

[Frannie]

I tell blondie that I need a pedicure. A few paces from the restaurant is a salon. We go in, and the lady starts doing the pedicure. Now mind you, I am not paying strict attention because I'm too busy trying to use their wifi on my phone. The lady was very nice but she really didn't seem to know how to trim my nails, especially on my big toes. It took almost an hour. Blondie comes over and starts complaining to the lady that my toes didn't look cut properly, and why did it take so long. All of the ladies in the salon were looking stunned because they didn't understand why she was so pissed.

I happen to know she is a little crazy, so it didn't surprise me that much. But then she started calling me stupid in the car, because I allowed the chica to take so long and not to do a good job. I didn't really have a problem with it, because the pedicure was only 250 pesos. And I can easily go elsewhere for a better pedicure. But this chick was pissed about it. I don't think the pedicure was the main problem. Earlier in the salon she asked me for 2300 pesos to get her hair done. I laughed it off, telling her she better buy some food or clothes she don't need that kind of money for hair. So I'm sure that, and having to wait for my pedicure was what really got her upset.A pedicure would normally take about an hour. They should soak your feet well before cutting the toenails, as this softens the nails and makes them much easier to cut. 250 pesos was a very reasonable price.

The price of 2300 pesos would be pretty reasonable if that included buying hair extensions and installing them, which takes a long time. Probably would cost at least $250 in a salon in the US.

How much were the groceries in La Sirena? It is easy to run up a bill of 6000 pesos for what seems like basic groceries and a few cleaning materials.

[Charles Pooter]

How much were the groceries in La Sirena? It is easy to run up a bill of 6000 pesos for what seems like basic groceries and a few cleaning materials.I shop at La Sirena every Wednesday because they have big discounts on fruit and veg which I eat a lot of. I average 4500 a week for food and household requisites for myself, my gf and her sprog (but he eats so little I don't know how he is still alive). No alcohol included in that total, and stuff like toiletries would be extra.

[Shamester]

Business suicide for a foreign airline to snitch and alienate 30% of their clients. Once word got out that a foreign airline was doing this, they might be viewed unfavorably. Different story for American based airlines. But it could happen.True. Unsure about the 30 per cent.

It was happening. Unsure if the Mexican airlines are still providing their passenger manifests under the Obama administration.

[Shamester]

As far as going to Cuba to monger, not right now for me. Its tempting cause its close, its new, cuban girls are hott. Going to a communist country, where we are not suppose to be, to do things that are illegal in the states, is not a good idea, at least for me. If something happens there, theres nobody going to have my back, there, or back home.

Traveling to other countries to monger, with my bad spanish, is enough of a risk for me. The pussy in Tijuana, sxm cur, sosua, and cr will do till Cuba becomes a legal option. Hope I'm still in the biz when it does.I would not be so scared.

First, you can always fly to Cuba on "humanitarian" issues.

Second, you fly from wherever Air Cubana offers flights.

IMO it is best to visit Havana before the US trade embargo is lifted.

[Frannie]

I shop at La Sirena every Wednesday because they have big discounts on fruit and veg which I eat a lot of. I average 4500 a week for food and household requisites for myself, my gf and her sprog (but he eats so little I don't know how he is still alive). No alcohol included in that total, and stuff like toiletries would be extra.I spent 5200 pesos today at the Playero supermarket, which is more expensive than La Sirena, but this was not a whole week's food supplies by any means. Most expensive items was a Kg. Of powdered milk for 700 pesos and a large bottle of concentrated pineapple juice. The fruit and vegetables in La Sirena are so much superior to Playero that it is not funny. La Sirena also has its own brand goods, which Playero does not, so everything costs more at La Playero. You are lucky the sprog does not eat much.

[Manizales911]

BTW, they do test at FOD at BB, don't they? That's not just BS advertising is it?Yes, both BB and FOD test on a regular basis but that doesn't protect you one iota. Hypothetically the girl gets tested on Monday, on Tuesday she is raw dogging it with her Dominican boyfriend that is infected with "whatever"and you are eating her pussy on Wednesday, how does regular testing help you?

[Manizales911]

Three to five hours depending on complexity.Yes, at least. A few years ago I brought a newbie down to the DR and he foolishly took a girl he had wifed up with to the salon against my advise. 7000 pesos and eight hours later they returned to the villa. The extensions were still in perfect condition when I hooked up with the same girl six months later.

[Llttf]

I shop at La Sirena every Wednesday because they have big discounts on fruit and veg which I eat a lot of. I average 4500 a week for food and household requisites for myself, my gf and her sprog (but he eats so little I don't know how he is still alive). No alcohol included in that total, and stuff like toiletries would be extra.Tell the sprog that he need to eat more if he is to become a future president of Haiti!

[Manny51]

Yes, both BB and FOD test on a regular basis but that doesn't protect you one iota. Hypothetically the girl gets tested on Monday, on Tuesday she is raw dogging it with her Dominican boyfriend that is infected with "whatever"and you are eating her pussy on Wednesday, how does regular testing help you?Well, it does protect you somewhat. If they are tested once a month, it protects you from one month of their activity, versus annual tests, which only protect you for a years worth of activity.

It does protect you more than an iota. So many guys on the forum use the fact that regular tests aren't 100% foolproof as an excuse to throw all caution to the wind. Come on guys.

[Mr Gogo]

Well, it does protect you somewhat. If they are tested once a month, it protects you from one month of their activity, versus annual tests, which only protect you for a years worth of activity.

It does protect you more than an iota. So many guys on the forum use the fact that regular tests aren't 100% foolproof as an excuse to throw all caution to the wind. Come on guys.I used to hang in Sosua with this ex Army medic from NY who was also a health nut. He would always be taking supplements and talking health. I don't like pills and go with more natural remedies, so I just ignored his converdations. One thing I remember he did every trip to cut his chances of getting herpes was to take remedy. Four days before a trip he would take Valtrex 1000mg. He preached this would cut his chances of getting in half. Don't know about the side effects. But if you really want to be 100% safe, either wear a space suit or stay in your room and jackkoff.

There are risks associated with most things we do, from flying over there to eating the food, from riding in a car in the DR to bed bugs. Sometimes we live our lives in fear but you miss out on so many things that it makes you ask " Am I really living life".

[Wrx2005]

Three to five hours depending on complexity.Yes I could imagine it would take that long.


A pedicure would normally take about an hour. They should soak your feet well before cutting the toenails, as this softens the nails and makes them much easier to cut. 250 pesos was a very reasonable price.

The price of 2300 pesos would be pretty reasonable if that included buying hair extensions and installing them, which takes a long time. Probably would cost at least $250 in a salon in the US.

How much were the groceries in La Sirena? It is easy to run up a bill of 6000 pesos for what seems like basic groceries and a few cleaning materials.The lady that did my manicure looked like she was about 40. I figured she was good at doing manicure / pedicures. NOT. When she began the manicure, she was sitting behind one of those desks they use to do manicures while the customer faces them. She did soak my feet, but she was bathing them under the table. And bending down in an awkward position. When she was ready to tend to my feet, she pulled my leg up to her lap with my knee pressing up against the bottom side of the table.

I thought then, I know I'm in the DR, but really they don't have a better system or setup for a pedicure? My legs and my body position was uncomfortable the whole time, but I managed to suck it up and help her to balance my leg on her lap.

As far as my chica getting hair extensions. My issue with that was more about her need vs a want, and how she has always complained about not having enough money to pay her rent, needing money for food or medicine. In my last report in May (Sosua reports) I mentioned how she had texted me while I'm at home to tell me she needed medicine because she had chest pains. 1st off. Her and I don't have any WU arrangement. But I guess she felt it was worth a try. So here we were now a month & a half later and she is asking me to pay 2300 pesos for hair? If anything she should be more interested in having food for her and her family, or some medicine. Of course I can't rely on them to think clearly and practically, so in that moment I refused when she came to me about it. My history with her has prepared me a little more. I once bought her a phone to replace the one she had. My next vacation when I saw her, she didn't have the phone anymore, and was still using the old one. I couldn't get a straight answer from her about the phone I bought. So now, I try not to do any thing more than cash for her services or buying essential things like food.

The food bill came to about $3700 pesos. All for food. I expected to pay more.

[Cagep1967]

My live in has a girl that comes over to do her nails I get a pedicure at least every 2 weeks. This girl is like a podiatrist. She gets my ingrown nails out, cleans the feet, cuts the nails, nice massage with some exfoliating cream, then a menthol based cream, the best I've ever had. I've gone to expensive places in the states and while having long layover's in airports. I've paid 10 times as much and have not found her equal.

Mani-Pedi for both of us, under 500 pesos, in the comfort of my own home.

As for looks, she's not my taste, but she has a nice rack. Which makes for something nice to look at while getting my feet done.

I'm amazed at the level of service I can get down here for the price.

As for the hair extensions, I agree. I will not pay nor wait for them to be put in. I don't like them and always seem to get poked in the arm with what ever they use to keep them in.

As for my girl, I am her only source of income, however, I know she is faithful (I have some very good checks in place for the last few years) if I were to have a hint of anything, she would be out in the street with nothing. I like the idea of having my place taken care of, in my house I don't do a thing, no cooking, no cleaning, no laundry. I do some heavy lifting if something needs to be moved.

[Frannie]

Yes I could imagine it would take that long.

The lady that did my manicure looked like she was about 40. I figured she was good at doing manicure / pedicures. NOT. When she began the manicure, she was sitting behind one of those desks they use to do manicures while the customer faces them. She did soak my feet, but she was bathing them under the table. And bending down in an awkward position. When she was ready to tend to my feet, she pulled my leg up to her lap with my knee pressing up against the bottom side of the table.

I thought then, I know I'm in the DR, but really they don't have a better system or setup for a pedicure? My legs and my body position was uncomfortable the whole time, but I managed to suck it up and help her to balance my leg on her lap.

As far as my chica getting hair extensions. My issue with that was more about her need vs a want, and how she has always complained about not having enough money to pay her rent, needing money for food or medicine. In my last report in May (Sosua reports) I mentioned how she had texted me while I'm at home to tell me she needed medicine because she had chest pains. 1st off. Her and I don't have any WU arrangement. But I guess she felt it was worth a try. So here we were now a month & a half later and she is asking me to pay 2300 pesos for hair? If anything she should be more interested in having food for her and her family, or some medicine. Of course I can't rely on them to think clearly and practically, so in that moment I refused when she came to me about it. My history with her has prepared me a little more. I once bought her a phone to replace the one she had. My next vacation when I saw her, she didn't have the phone anymore, and was still using the old one. I couldn't get a straight answer from her about the phone I bought. So now, I try not to do any thing more than cash for her services or buying essential things like food.

The food bill came to about $3700 pesos. All for food. I expected to pay more.No the pedicure sounds like crap. The best one I had was once at the beach in Sosua. I don't remember the price now, but it was worth it for the rental of a chair on the beach in the shade for an hour with a breeze and a view of the mountains above Puerto Plata. If indoors, you need to make sure they have an electric fan that can blow a breeze over you while you sit and quaff a cold drink from the nearby colmado.

With three children there will always be some kind of expense, whether pampers, formula, milk, back-to-school supplies, or medicines and these chicas tend to claim medical emergencies as they think they are more likely to get the money this way. When the customer comes to town, that is the time to try for more luxuries, like the hair-do that they cannot normally afford.

It is impossible to fathom the truth about their finances and / or debts, as they will never tell you the whole story. I can tell you that 20% of babies in the DR still do not get registered by the age of 5 (2008 figures) , or get registered months or years later, often with incorrect dates of birth, simply because the parents (father) cannot afford the transportation and other (perhaps loss of earnings) costs to go to the registration office plus the registration fee.

The phone was probably pawned at the compraventa if it had any kind of value, or possibly given in exchange for some other debt. These girls tend to run credit wherever they can. They won't get credit at La Sirena, but at the local colmado, yes.

The problem here is that you don't really want a real girlfriend relationship with this woman and her three kids, so you want to keep expenses to a minimum. I don't think her behavior is particularly unusual, but you are both wrong for each other.

[Wrx2005]

No the pedicure sounds like crap. The best one I had was once at the beach in Sosua. I don't remember the price now, but it was worth it for the rental of a chair on the beach in the shade for an hour with a breeze and a view of the mountains above Puerto Plata. If indoors, you need to make sure they have an electric fan that can blow a breeze over you while you sit and quaff a cold drink from the nearby colmado.

With three children there will always be some kind of expense, whether pampers, formula, milk, back-to-school supplies, or medicines and these chicas tend to claim medical emergencies as they think they are more likely to get the money this way. When the customer comes to town, that is the time to try for more luxuries, like the hair-do that they cannot normally afford.

It is impossible to fathom the truth about their finances and / or debts, as they will never tell you the whole story. I can tell you that 20% of babies in the DR still do not get registered by the age of 5 (2008 figures) , or get registered months or years later, often with incorrect dates of birth, simply because the parents (father) cannot afford the transportation and other (perhaps loss of earnings) costs to go to the registration office plus the registration fee.

The phone was probably pawned at the compraventa if it had any kind of value, or possibly given in exchange for some other debt. These girls tend to run credit wherever they can. They won't get credit at La Sirena, but at the local colmado, yes.

The problem here is that you don't really want a real girlfriend relationship with this woman and her three kids, so you want to keep expenses to a minimum. I don't think her behavior is particularly unusual, but you are both wrong for each other.I've had better manicure / pedicures in the DR as well, including the beach.

I was able to deal with the bad pedicure. And it's true I don't want a GF with the woman. Her and I both are clear that she is a working woman in Sosua. So there is no mistake in assuming we are working towards something real. But it was the chicas knee jerk attitude towards the salon lady and then towards me that lead to her not getting any more money.

A chica tearing up money may not be unusual behavior for many, but I think it's stupid for her to do that. To get upset over a pedicure not done right or taking too long is even more stupid. If she would have kept her cool, she would have got the money I intended to give her when it was time to leave. You are correct that we are wrong for each other. She's the type that can have a situation escalate to where the poilce may need to be called. I don't need that. The juice is good, but there is much more headache free juice around.

[SavePros321]

There are risks associated with most things we do, from flying over there to eating the food, from riding in a car in the DR to bed bugs. Sometimes we live our lives in fear but you miss out on so many things that it makes you ask " Am I really living life".Man, don't even remind me about bed bugs. The first time I stayed at Blackbeards I had bed bugs all over my lower legs and that shit did not clear up for almost a week.

Best way to avoid any STD's is abstinence!

[Wrx2005]

Contacted the Plan B chica to have her meet me in the morning at Alberto Suites. This is the chica that asked me to send her phone credit. She was a short cutie. I took her up to my room even though check out was 3 hours later. We start to get aquainted and she wastes no time telling me about her financial problems and her inadequate pay where she supposedly works at one of those banca / loteria places. I told her I was leaving for a few days for SD and would come back later. She said she had to be at work at 10:30 that morning, and it was 9:20 am then. In addition she was claiming she wanted to get her hair done so she could look beautiful for me. I see where this is going. She came over to try to get money and never intended to fuck for it. And she was hoping for a quick score by telling me she had to work in an hour. I nicely brushed that off by complementing her on her hair and attractiveness.

I could see she wasnt interested in a quickie, or some oral. Especially by the weak cheek kiss she gave me when I tried to test the waters. I ended up driving her to her mothers house. And gave her 200 pesos that she asked for to get milk for her kids. I knew she wasnt going to let me go without trying to get something.

After that, I headed to Sosua, not SD. My SD connect wasnt free until Sunday, so I said let me go where there is a sure thing and its closer. I had two chicas. Met them both while talking to King kong sitting at Rockys. One was about 23 and cute, but lousy in bed. And she couldn't put down her phone. After 40 minutes, I paid her to leave. The other about 28 to 30, not so cute in the face, but a banging body. I called her to come over and we had a good time, she stayed all night. Paid her in the morning, she didn't even look at the money I put in her back pocket. I got GFE, a nice massage, and good sex. It took two women to get it. It's Sunday, and now I'm heading back to Santiago to have lunch with another D cupid contact, she's a tad older. Then I need to check in to another hotel.

[Frannie]

A chica tearing up money may not be unusual behavior for many, but I think it's stupid for her to do that. To get upset over a pedicure not done right or taking too long is even more stupid. If she would have kept her cool, she would have got the money I intended to give her when it was time to leave. You are correct that we are wrong for each other. She's the type that can have a situation escalate to where the poilce may need to be called. I don't need that. The juice is good, but there is much more headache free juice around.She wasn't upset so much about the pedicure, but about not getting the hair. Tearing up the money was a plea for attention, but it didn't work. I met plenty like her when I worked for Juvenile Justice in the US. DSM IV diagnoses like Intermittent Explosive Disorder and Oppositional Defiant Disorder. They lose it when they don't get their way (like small children having tantrums, only they are full sized.)

I found that as my Spanish approached fluency I was able to read the characters of these girls much more easily and avoid the nutters. To be honest, a lot of the lower social class Dominicans are like this, and that is one reason why I think Haitianas offer better relationship possibilities as they are often forced into prostitution for lack of alternative employment possibilities rather than due to lack of alternative employability skills.

One easy indicator to spot is the voice. If they speak with a rough, hoarse, abrasive, loud voice, this seems to be a bad sign, versus a pleasant and musical voice.

[OldKool]

Latin temper and pride are real. Girls, putas can be poor as church mice but be very proud. If you push them they will fight you. One of the reasons DR men beat them. They will make you put up your dukes. Often they are living duel lives. Street girl and good girl. The roles often get confused.


I've had better manicure / pedicures in the DR as well, including the beach.

I was able to deal with the bad pedicure. And it's true I don't want a GF with the woman. Her and I both are clear that she is a working woman in Sosua. So there is no mistake in assuming we are working towards something real. But it was the chicas knee jerk attitude towards the salon lady and then towards me that lead to her not getting any more money.

A chica tearing up money may not be unusual behavior for many, but I think it's stupid for her to do that. To get upset over a pedicure not done right or taking too long is even more stupid. If she would have kept her cool, she would have got the money I intended to give her when it was time to leave. You are correct that we are wrong for each other. She's the type that can have a situation escalate to where the poilce may need to be called. I don't need that. The juice is good, but there is much more headache free juice around.

[Mr Gogo]

Latin temper and pride are real. Girls, putas can be poor as church mice but be very proud. If you push them they will fight you. One of the reasons DR men beat them. They will make you put up your dukes. Often they are living duel lives. Street girl and good girl. The roles often get confused."Put up dukes", my experience has been that they pick up bottles, pull knives, have razor blades etc. Dominicanas don't have time to box, thats an American thing. In the DR every fight is to the finish.

[Charles Pooter]

Well, it does protect you somewhat. If they are tested once a month, it protects you from one month of their activity, versus annual tests, which only protect you for a years worth of activity.

It does protect you more than an iota. So many guys on the forum use the fact that regular tests aren't 100% foolproof as an excuse to throw all caution to the wind. Come on guys.You are totally correct, Manny. Every little helps.

But generally your approach is so picky and paranoid that you should consider whether mongering in the DR is right for you. Using common sense is one thing but if you are constantly looking over your shoulder how can you enjoy your trip? Have you ever considered spending your holiday in Germany in the FKK clubs? Everything hygienic and nearly all white girls. Sounds more your line?

[Frannie]

Her and I don't have any WU arrangement. But I guess she felt it was worth a try.Why is it that you never hear of foreign men sending Western Union to hookers in the US?

[Mr Enternational]

Why is it that you never hear of foreign men sending Western Union to hookers in the US?Because US hookers don't give GFE?

[Mr Gogo]

Anyone that is going to be in Santo Domingo on August 2nd and 3rd, don't forget to checkout a big party thats supposed to happen on the Malecon.

Word is Orange is in talks with an American cell phone company. The deal is reportedly for 1.2 billion, but I'm not sure if thats USD or pesos.

Also I want to thank the guys that are in Sosua now that keep sending pics, good variety guys. Gogo doesn't do pics publicly anymore, but thanks anyways.

Shouts out to Copa airlines for adding more destinations to latin America to its lineup. The catch is you have to fly through Panama. BTW one of my Dominicanas is in Panama looking for a job. Does she really think that I don't know she is there tricking.

[Wrx2005]

Met up with a 39 yr old Dom cupid chica. Agreed to meet her at Kukara Macara rest. I was hoping I wouldn't be recognized by any staff that saw me 2 days earlier with blondie.

Communication was very interesting. As always my spanish was better than her english. We were getting along quite well. Found out she works close to Alberto suites. After the restaurant we drive a little bit. She directs me to her amigas house, but she wasnt home. Then we went to her house. I met one of her sons.

We left to drive around some more. At this point I have to make a decision of where to stay tonight. I was thinking of Aloha Sol. But after visiting her house, and seeing how fucked up the street she lives on was, I felt simple accommodations would be adequate. Hey I know a place. Alberto suites. I got a different room this time on the 2nd fl. It was better than my last apt. There. Cost $35. She came up. Relaxed on the bed with me. And within a few minutes, she was kissing me like her life depended on my lips. Then she pulled open my pants and started sucking me. She made it clear she planned to fuck.

So I obliged. Her sexual passion and energy was like a tigress. The only thing that would have topped my enjoyment, is if I could have got her to finish with CIM. Short of that. The juice was great. An unexpected pleasure. I guess one can get some juice from a santiago chica after a 1st meeting. This time no money exchanged. Just two people enjoying the moment. She drank presidentes while she watched me eat. I recommend the tropical drink Kukara macara. It was good and potent.

She works every day except Sunday. That and me telling her I was going to SD to see my chiropractor will buy me some space from her. My SD contact I haven't met yet, and I'm debating on whether to go and meet her. The SD contact just might be a bad move. I recall her sending me a text before this vacation, asking me to bring her some Ensures. Women asking for shit before I meet them does not set right with me. Once face to face, I expect her RFM will be like a full court press. And there will probably be no juice out of the deal. The decision to leave that alone just saved me a trip. Tomorrow I'll probably head back to Sosua, and this time make it to La playa. This have dick will travel, is somewhat of a challenge from the point and click vacation I'm used to staying in Sosua entirely. Time for some shut eye.

[Mr Enternational]

Met up with a 39 yr old Dom cupid chica...We left to drive around some more. At this point I have to make a decision of where to stay tonight. I was thinking of Aloha Sol. But after visiting her house, and seeing how fucked up the street she lives on was, I felt simple accommodations would be adequate.LOL. You catch on quick. Me and my brother keep trying to tell our other brother to stop trying to be a baller. But he can't stop staying at that expensive hotel in Santiago or the Jaragua in SD. Then he keeps paying a taxi guy to shuttle girls around the country. Last week he made my brother rent a car just to drive his girl back to Bonao from Santo Domingo. We keep telling him to let their ass take the bus. Hard head mf. It doesn't take all of that. That is the beauty of the place.


She came up. Relaxed on the bed with me. And within a few minutes, she was kissing me like her life depended on my lips. Then she pulled open my pants and started sucking me. She made it clear she planned to fuck. So I obliged. Her sexual passion and energy was like a tigress. The only thing that would have topped my enjoyment, is if I could have got her to finish with CIM. Short of that. The juice was great. An unexpected pleasure. I guess one can get some juice from a santiago chica after a 1st meeting. This time no money exchanged. Just two people enjoying the moment.Be careful. It is impossible to do what you just did. Dominican chicks don't just fuck for free (especially on the first date and in Santiago at that). Get ready for some people to rag on you because she expected money and you cheated her.


She works every day except Sunday.She doesn't earn enough to make a living so you should have given her money.


Tomorrow I'll probably head back to Sosua, and this time make it to La playa. This have dick will travel, is somewhat of a challenge from the point and click vacation I'm used to staying in Sosua entirely.Was renting a car and driving as scary as everyone makes it out to be? After these adventures do you plan on going back to be strictly point and click? Now that I know how to get around I couldn't imagine being without transportation and I damn sure can't imagine just staying in Sosua.

[Mr Gogo]

Good reporting bro, thanks for taking us on your trip with you.

[Mr Enternational]

Let it be known that Banco Leon, which used to be free, is now charging 120 pesos for a withdrawal. And the 2000 peso limit per withdrawal is still in effect. The only place in the country that I know of now that it is free to take out money is the Boca Chica branch of Ban Reservas. I didn't get a chance to try that one out this time so maybe they have even started to charge. The day has come when it is just better to bring cash to exchange.

[Mr Gogo]

Is that Mr E talking about giving a girl money? What did that girl do to my boy? He used to lowball chicas and make them pay him. Damn! Next he will be saying the love word. Did she lick his asshole? Did she have multiple orgasms? Did the kid call him daddy? Did she buy him some polo underwear? Where is the Mr E we all know. Next thing we know Classicos will be rented for a wedding and me and BBL will be showing up in white suits. Real dudes stand up, say it aint so.

[Manny51]

You are totally correct, Manny. Every little helps.

But generally your approach is so picky and paranoid that you should consider whether mongering in the DR is right for you. Using common sense is one thing but if you are constantly looking over your shoulder how can you enjoy your trip? Have you ever considered spending your holiday in Germany in the FKK clubs? Everything hygienic and nearly all white girls. Sounds more your line?Why is my approach picky and paranoid? I asked Mr. Gogo about overall prevalence, and I asked about testing at places that claim to test. If you are unfamiliar to an area, these are reasonable questions to ask. I am willing to bet that more than half the guys that sneer at people who ask about testing do so because they themselves have herpes or something and are rationalizing it to themselves.

And BTW, if these places test like they say they do, they are FAR better options than the FKKs. Have you ever been to an FKK before? You wouldn't say that if you have. Try reading the FKK forums. Those places are incubators. In the Medellin forum, a guy recently confessed how he just got herpes there. It was followed up in the safe sex section. At most places, there are enough girls and enough guys such that if you take precautions and only go once in a while, your chances of catching something are slim. But at the FKK's its a small group of regular johns that go over and over again, many living nearby, using a small group of women that doesn't change much. And the girls aren't tested. And so what if they are white? Do you think that makes them less likely to have STDs?

[SavePros321]

Why is it that you never hear of foreign men sending Western Union to hookers in the US?Because they know the idiot US taxpayer will take care of their h0es for them:

NY food stamp recipients are shipping welfare-funded groceries to relatives in Jamaica, Dominican Republic and Haiti.

By KATE BRIQUELET and ISABEL VINCENT

Last Updated: 11:35 AM, July 21, 2013.

Food stamps are paying for trans-Atlantic takeout — with New Yorkers using taxpayer-funded benefits to ship food to relatives in Jamaica, Haiti and the Dominican Republic.

Welfare recipients are buying groceries with their Electronic Benefit Transfer (EBT) cards and packing them in giant barrels for the trip overseas, The Post found.

The practice is so common that hundreds of 45- to 55-gallon cardboard and plastic barrels line the walls of supermarkets in almost every Caribbean corner of the city.

The feds say the moveable feasts go against the intent of the $86 billion welfare program for impoverished Americans.

A spokeswoman for the US Department of Agriculture's Food and Nutrition Service said welfare benefits are reserved for households that buy and prepare food together. She said states should intervene if people are caught shipping nonperishables abroad.

Michael Tanner, a senior fellow at the Cato Institute, called it just another example of welfare abuse. 'I don't want food-stamp police to see what people do with their rice and beans, but it's wrong, ' Tanner told The Post. 'The purpose of this program is to help Americans who don't have enough to eat. This is not intended as a form of foreign aid. '

The United States spent $522.7 million on foreign aid to the Caribbean last fiscal year, government data show.

Still, New Yorkers say they ship the food because staples available in the States are superior and less costly than what their families can get abroad.

'Everybody does it, ' said a worker at an Associated Supermarket in Prospect Lefferts Gardens, Brooklyn. 'They pay for it any way they can. A lot of people pay with EBT. '

Customers pay cash for the barrels, usually about $40, and typically ship them filled with $500 to $2,000 worth of rice, beans, pasta, canned milk and sausages.

Workers at the Pioneer Supermarket on Parkside Avenue and the Key Food on Flatbush Avenue confirmed the practice.

They said food-stamp recipients typically take home their barrels and fill them gradually over time with food bought with EBT cards.

When the tubs are full, the welfare users call a shipping company to pick them up and send them to the Caribbean for about $70. The shipments take about three weeks.

Last week, a woman stuffed dozens of boxes of macaroni and evaporated milk into a barrel headed for her family in Kingston, Jamaica. She said she didn't have welfare benefits and bought the food herself.

'This is all worth more than $2,000, ' she said. 'I've been shopping since last December. You can help somebody else, someone who doesn't live in this country. '

A man helping her pack the barrel said: 'We're poor here, and they're poor. But what we can get here is like luxury to them. '

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/it_on_y22owkLpsldSAjDVC9isjM

[Mr Enternational]

Is that Mr E talking about giving a girl money? What did that girl do to my boy? He used to lowball chicas and make them pay him.Come on man. You know I was being facetious. If a girl is after money then she is going to make that known. Look at all his other examples.

[Wrx2005]

LOL. You catch on quick. Me and my brother keep trying to tell our other brother to stop trying to be a baller. But he can't stop staying at that expensive hotel in Santiago or the Jaragua in SD. Then he keeps paying a taxi guy to shuttle girls around the country. Last week he made my brother rent a car just to drive his girl back to Bonao from Santo Domingo. We keep telling him to let their ass take the bus. Hard head mf. It doesn't take all of that. That is the beauty of the place.

Be careful. It is impossible to do what you just did. Dominican chicks don't just fuck for free (especially on the first date and in Santiago at that). Get ready for some people to rag on you because she expected money and you cheated her.

She doesn't earn enough to make a living so you should have given her money.

Was renting a car and driving as scary as everyone makes it out to be? After these adventures do you plan on going back to be strictly point and click? Now that I know how to get around I couldn't imagine being without transportation and I damn sure can't imagine just staying in Sosua.I hear you. I knew I was only staying one night. Didn't think it made sense to pay $90us when I can pay $30 or 35. However I will say this, the cost factor for basic accomodations is all relative. For instance, If most of the hotels and cabanas in the area were lets say, $125 and up, the $90 cost for Aloha Sol would have been a no brainer. My feelings on whether I have chicas come on their own or I go to where they are depends on a few factors.

If I go to where they are (stay at a hotel near them) and something fucked up happens between me and the chica, I have a better chance of packing my stuff and geting the hell away from there. If the chica comes to your hotel where you are staying for a few days, it would be harder to just leave (if there is a problem) because you are settled in that hotel, and likely may have paid in advance.

Moreover, if I go to where they are and I am bored or ready to go, it's easier to tell them I have to go somewhere. Then I can explore or plan to meet up with other chicas. Thats kinda what I am going to do in SD. I called an ex "novia" in SD and told her I might come Tuesday to see her. I can spend one or two nights with her, and head back to Santiago. With her, I will have her come by taxi, instead of me picking her up.

2) I don't want to seem monger naive, but THIS chica didn't come off as expecting me to pay her.

To put it another way. On a scale of 10 I would give her a 5 or 6. I think she's been on enough Dom cupid dates. And I'm willing to bet most of the time when the guys meet her, they may have higher expectations (as I did) because her pictures on the site give you a more sexy look than what you see in person. So perhaps most of her hookups end up with a short fling and then the guy moves on. Personally I think she's cool with that. And has been cool with that. But what do I know, she just might be thinking of me as a potential boyfriend. In her profile she says she is interested in dating / romance. In person she told me she is intereested in a friend. From what I gather, she's just a chica down for a good time. If she was expecting or wanted money I don't think she would have a problem asking for it. Many others sure haven't been shy about it.

3) Timing is a luxury I have in this instance. I can be very generous, or impulsive or selective when it comes to making moves. With her I will select the time when and if I feel comfortable offering her money. Here's an analogy from a movie, and it is an ongoing lesson at times.

Just because somebody may seem poor or down on their luck does not necessarily mean they need help. They have plenty of comedy skits in movies, like blind guys panhandling but they aint blind or broke. Bums panhandling and after a days work, pull off in car. Case in point. The movie Hot Shots! The one where Charlie Sheens character is a fighter pilot. Anyway. His fighter pilot buddy gets killed in his jet.

After the funeral, Charlie Sheen talks to his buddies widow trying to comfort her. He feels sorry for her loss, and perhaps feels somewhat responsible. He pulls out an envelope and gives it to her. He says it's his life savings. She is crying, as she accepts the money. Then she says. Thank you for this. With this money, and the million dollars I won in the lottery, now I can go out and buy me some hats. The lesson here : don't always be so quick to think somebody is in need and make it a duty to make it all better. That person just might have more options than you think. And even if you give them money, they may blow it all on something they don't even need. And thats your money they are blowing. This chica could have easily hooked up with a few older desperate dudes off of cupid, each sending her WU.

I don't know how many times I have assumed wrongly that someone was in need only to find out later that they had a lot more than I thought. After a while you try not to be impulsive and wait to see how things really are. My observation has been that most dominicans are comfortable with how they live. They dont know what it feels like to have what we have, and therefore dont necessarily see themselves as living in poverty because they dont have what we have. They cant miss what they never had.

4) IMO, yes it is scary. But mainly from the perspective that this is not my car, and don't want the car to get damaged in any way, especially here in the DR. You could put me smack in the middle of midtown Manhattan rush hour traffic with a rental, and I would feel more confident and safe if anything happened than here in the DR. But now, I don't want to go to jail over an accident. And I don't want to pay an outrageous amount of money to make all parties go away.

[Wrx2005]

Let it be known that Banco Leon, which used to be free, is now charging 120 pesos for a withdrawal. And the 2000 peso limit per withdrawal is still in effect. The only place in the country that I know of now that it is free to take out money is the Boca Chica branch of Ban Reservas. I didn't get a chance to try that one out this time so maybe they have even started to charge. The day has come when it is just better to bring cash to exchange.I have shared this info elsewhere. Bank of America has an alliance with Scotia Bank in the DR. I use my BOA debit/atm at any Scotia Bank. In fact I took out 20mil pesos (2 transactions) the other day from the branch on calle Del Sol in Santiago. I use the branches in Cabarete, Puerto Plata, Santo Domingo (Avenida maximo Gomez ect) and the small ATM in Sosua at the metro bus station.

No atm fees, and you can withdraw up to 1, 000 US per day. In order to get the 1, 000 US, you can only withdraw 10, 000 pesos at a time. 10, 000 pesos is about 245. 00 US. So basically were talking about 4 separate transactions of 1o, ooo peso withdrawals. A bank only dispersing 2, 000 pesos per transaction will take some time and expense to get a decent amount of money.

[Mr Gogo]

Come on man. You know I was being facetious. If a girl is after money then she is going to make that known. Look at all his other examples.You mean you would hope she would ask for money if she wanted it. I've had many chicas who needed money but had to much dignity to ask. They counted on my generosity to not take advantage of the situation. The guy that takes advantage of this situation by not atleast offering cab fare will make this girl more hardcore for the next guy. I know you are going to say"Why pay a chica that doesn't ask for money, you make them expect it". I don't want a poor chica that expects to fuck for free and I'm not that conceited to believe that I'm so fine that she would fuck me for free. If you were a chica and had babies at home, why would you want to give away free pussy? Plus paying something to me is better than tricking her into believing that you love her and want a future with her.

Outside of Sosua and the p4p arena, most chicas I come across don't even know or care about negoitiating. When I bring the topic up they say"Whatever you want to give" or look at me crazy for bringing up money. Does that mean she doesn't need money? No. I'm not looking for a free fuck. If a well-off guy has the goals of fucking poor girls for free, some might say he lacks morals and will probably fuck your mom or sister with no remorse. I'm not an 18yo guy trying to bang the girl on the block, I'm a world traveler that understands the blessings I have, I see no problem exchanging a few dollars with a young hot chica who gives me a wonderful expirience, wheather she asks for it or not.

[OldKool]

I have had the same discussion with Mr E. I agree with you 100% but E was a pimp and still has some of that mentality left in him. I try to provide a great time for the girls who make me happy. I know how hard their lives are and what they have to deal with. I try to be generous and reasonable. It has always paid off. I have severall non pros who are my friends. E could not be my road dog but you could. I spend more money on my non pros then the Putas. These girls don't ask like you said. They have pride and try to anticipate how I can make them happy without being crazy. I have had some great women in my life so I really like women as people. If you have the right stuff you soften the hardest pro. IMHO.


You mean you would hope she would ask for money if she wanted it. I've had many chicas who needed money but had to much dignity to ask. They counted on my generosity to not take advantage of the situation. The guy that takes advantage of this situation by not atleast offering cab fare will make this girl more hardcore for the next guy. I know you are going to say"Why pay a chica that doesn't ask for money, you make them expect it". I don't want a poor chica that expects to fuck for free and I'm not that conceited to believe that I'm so fine that she would fuck me for free. If you were a chica and had babies at home, why would you want to give away free pussy? Plus paying something to me is better than tricking her into believing that you love her and want a future with her.

Outside of Sosua and the p4p arena, most chicas I come across don't even know or care about negoitiating. When I bring the topic up they say"Whatever you want to give" or look at me crazy for bringing up money. Does that mean she doesn't need money? No. I'm not looking for a free fuck. If a well-off guy has the goals of fucking poor girls for free, some might say he lacks morals and will probably fuck your mom or sister with no remorse. I'm not an 18yo guy trying to bang the girl on the block, I'm a world traveler that understands the blessings I have, I see no problem exchanging a few dollars with a young hot chica who gives me a wonderful expirience, wheather she asks for it or not.

[Mr Gogo]

I have had the same discussion with Mr E. I agree with you 100% but E was a pimp and still has some of that mentality left in him. I try to provide a great time for the girls who make me happy. I know how hard their lives are and what they have to deal with. I try to be generous and reasonable. It has always paid off. I have severall non pros who are my friends. E could not be my road dog but you could. I spend more money on my non pros then the Putas. These girls don't ask like you said. They have pride and try to anticipate how I can make them happy without being crazy. I have had some great women in my life so I really like women as people. If you have the right stuff you soften the hardest pro. IMHO.Mr E is a cool dude, we only disagree when it comes to dealing with women. He showed us parts of Thailand we would have never seen. We have hunted till the am on SD streets. He is a great wingman, but he dogs chicas thats his thing.

[Parkinsons]

Met up with a 39 yr old Dom cupid chica.Thanks for your reports; I've always been curious about Santiago, there are so many chicas on cupid dot com from that city. Too bad you had to go with a 39 yr old (in truth probably 44? Always add 5 yrs to what a woman tells you her age is?) to finally find a winner. Pretty much echoes my experience with the cupid chicas. A lot of the young (younger) ones have an unrealistic sense of entitlement, like the one you described previously, meeting you just to get some pesos without doing anything to earn it.


This have dick will travel, is somewhat of a challenge from the point and click vacation I'm used to staying in Sosua entirely.Why did you not use Badoo or Tagged once you've got "boots on the ground"? Fellow mongers on this board have reported success with them once in person in DR. This impromptu approach is probably more rewarding when you find your gem. You're doing it right though, you have combined sure thing Sosua within your trip.

Looking forward to more of your reports outside of Sosua.

[Blk Big Bootyluv]

So just boarded my united flight greatly disappointed by the lack luster '900. American has us by the well you know but tht 777 is my fav.

I don't know what to expect when I hit the strip. My sdq chicas are ready for me. I have a couple in Santiago I believe are worth the trip up north. Heard pasions was raided and closed. WTF? I have been done with the north coast for years but for a few friends I still go.

In DR for a while then off to Panama. Seems expensive but I've got a chica rolling out the red carpet for me. Well for a cost of course. More reports to follow.

Peace,

BBL

[Blk Big Bootyluv]

Good report. The unfortunate thing about the STI hotel market is either very expensive or so cheap you need a bio-hazard to live in.

Peace,

BBL


Since it is kinda dead in the santiago forum.

DaY 1

Delta flt leaving jfk was 45 minutes late. Arrived at STI at 1:30am. 30 minutes later than it was supposed to be.

Walked out of the terminal and saw a taxi driver with a company sign. He charged me $20us to Albero Suites. I don't think they call the place Filpo Pension.

Even their business cards say Alberto Suites. I had arranged for my blondie chica to be in my room when I got there. I confirmed she was at the hotel waiting for me when I was at the airport getting my luggage. Got to the hotel about 3am.

The reception guy charged me $90 for 3 days. The 1st night was the night of my arrival (the 18th ). I had planned on leaving on the 20th for SD.

Got to my room and blondie is looking sexy. I ended up changing rooms because the refridgerator wasnt working. The a / see didn't seem like it was cooling the room either. Just as I got the last item from the 1st room, I saw a big flying cockroach in the kitchen. I guess that was supposed to be a reminder from my last trip to Sosua in May.

I shower and get in the bed. Blondie is ready for action. After our session, I went to sleep. And rightly so. I aint used to traveling that late...

[Wrx2005]

It was morning Santiago in Alberto Suites contemplating my next move. I decided to contact my ex SD novia who I phased out last March. She seemed happy to hear from me. Said I wanted to see her. She was cool with it, but eventually it came up that she was on her period. I was going to change my plan, but I said F it. Weve crossed this bridge before.

What was great about her was. If she was on the rag, she knew how to please me in other ways. And the best part is that she was always thorough. She would get every drop. No bolting for the bano. She would lay there beside me, content knowing she did a good job. Getting with her will be like scoring new juice.

Now the problem with this plan is an alternate plan called and texted me this morning. She lives in pop. She is almost forbidden fruit. She is the girlfriend of the 28 yr old pop. Chica I was kicking it with April, May, June. Met the GF at the birthday dinner pop cooked for me in April.

I contacted her on facebook and she has been talking to me since June. Pop doesn't know that I'm talking to her regularly on whatsapp. The Gf is closer to 40. Now mind you, even though I expected her to be more mature, she still isn't any different than any of these young chicas in terms of trying to a dude to feel. Sympathy for their financial problems.

Her story has been she needs to make more money. She has an opp to work on a cruise ship. Her ongoing complaint in conversation is how she has to get papers necessary for the interview. Then it was the expense involved, then later it cost 5000 pesos, after that she needs a loan, and then back she still hasnt got these papers. The way this shit is going, she missed the so called interview in 2 separate weeks while working her tale of woe. All I did was play the sympathetic role.

She never asked me directly for money, so It was easy to avoid the bait. Of course the whole time were communicating the plan is for us to hook up since I'm not close with her younger gf. When I was at Mary Rose The day I was in Sosua, I texted her to tell her I wanted her to spend the night in my hotel. We were supposed to go on a dinner date. She had previously claimed she doesn't want an adventure, she wants a serious relationship.

But this text to spend the night, the communication stopped. Suddenly I wasnt getting her quick response. No good morning text, no afternnon text and no good night text. It wasnt until this morning that I hear from her. Or previous plan was to get together and go to Cabarete. Now she is saying 3pm. I'm thinking great, the closer to bed time the better. I guess I aint going to SD now, I head to PP instead. To be continued.

[Wrx2005]

On my way to PP, the Sti chica is texting and calling. She thinks I am headed to SD. As I get near PP, I am getting hungry, and I know this chica is not going to be ready at 3pm, so I stop at Blackbeards for a meal and to look at the girls. Nothing happening with the girls. They all look bored. I see at least 5 regulars there that I recall seeing 1 1/2 yrs ago. A guy staying there came and sat with me.

Close to 3 I called Pop, she says she needs more time. I say ok, when? 3:30. I ask where will we meet? She says I will tell you later when you call. At this point, this is starting to get to be a cat and dog game or Lucy and Charlie Brown game of trick to kick the football. I say ok, and continue talking to my new aquaintence. 3:30 comes, I call. No answer. No text from her nothing.

I am a little pissed, but not overly. Because plan B has just kicked in. I leave to head to Sosua. On my way I call the young pop chica to see if I can hit that. We meet up on the main avenue in pop. She walks up to me to give me a handshake. I pull her closer for a kiss, and she turns her face for her cheek. She even points to her cheek for me to kiss. I'm thinking, this is like saying kiss my ass. I decline that small gesture of disrespect, and left after she told me she has an english class at 8pm. Her new bf or somebody is paying for it. I say adios and head to Sosua.

Nothing happening with either pop chicas. Fortunately in Sosua one doesn't need a plan or a hookup. And today / tonight was no exception. Stopped at Rockys and met up with King Kong. And as always chicas are stopping by Rockys hoping to get some free pesos from him. He spoils these girls ridiculously. But I guess he has nothing else to do with his money. He wants to show me a hotel thats nice. We go to this place and I like the place. Close enough to get around without a moto or a car.

Across the street is a bar with some chica barmaids looking at me checking in at the hotel. After I secure my stuff, I get king kong to reluctantly come with me to the bar for a drink. All 3 chicas are cute but need to figure out who may be available. I ask the one serving me if she has a boyfriend. She says no. I ask her about the pool tables in the back. To my surprise she was free to play pool. I asked what time you finish work? She said at midnight. Where you go after work. She shrugged her shoulders. Maybe to dlatins. That was all the info I needed. It was clear she was available. Since I was across the street, I told her to call me.

She called, came over. A little brief chat, and my offer to give her a massage was quickly accepted. She shower, and I tried to give her a massage and tongue lashing she will remember. This chica was passionate, sexy and wet as hell. In the morning, we went for breakfast. Knowing that she expected some pesos, I put pesos in her purse. I like this chica. Then I left for SD to see my ex novia.

Got to The jaguar at 5pm after a brutal ride in traffic in SD. She gets there by taxi. We go to Adrian Tropical for food, then to avenida Pastuer to play pool across from venecia & skyhigh. After that back to the hotel to make up for our absence. She told me she was on the rag before, but there was no evidence of that. It didn't matter, I was horny and wanted that pussy. But more than that, I wanted her to give me one of her award winning BBBJ cim and digest. My trip was worth it. No its wed morn and we are back from breakfast and I'm leaving her in the hotel so I can go visit my dominican friend / chiropractor.

I don't need his services, we both have a passion for electronic gadgets. He is the one who inspired me to buy the galaxy note 2 phone when it 1st came out. And helped add apps and features to my phone. I told my Sd chica I'm leaving tomorrow.

I think I will head back to Sosua and see if my bar maid is down for round 2. I do have some dom cupid contacts here in SD but I don't need any drama or any of them wasting my time. I have enough options for now.

[Mr Gogo]

So just boarded my united flight greatly disappointed by the lack luster '900. American has us by the well you know but tht 777 is my fav.

I don't know what to expect when I hit the strip. My sdq chicas are ready for me. I have a couple in Santiago I believe are worth the trip up north. Heard pasions was raided and closed. WTF? I have been done with the north coast for years but for a few friends I still go.

In DR for a while then off to Panama. Seems expensive but I've got a chica rolling out the red carpet for me. Well for a cost of course. More reports to follow.

Peace,

BBLGlad to see you are back on the trail. I haven't seen you since we were hanging out with Mr E in Thailand. I'm watching flights, so maybe I can drop into SD to roll with you. Thanks for posting.

P. S. Wrx2005, great reporting bro, I like your style.

[OldKool]

public affection is frowned on in normal dr culture. i have had many chicas who would [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) you behind closed doors who will not touch in public. trust me she meant no offence. every culture is different. i was hanging with a novia and hooked my wingman with her cute sister. we went on an outing with family. the father got pissed because the guy kept getting frisky. these were lower class dr folk.

i am a little pissed, but not overly. because plan b has just kicked in. i leave to head to sosua. on my way i call the young pop chica to see if i can hit that. we meet up on the main avenue in pop. she walks up to me to give me a handshake. i pull her closer for a kiss, and she turns her face for her cheek. she even points to her cheek for me to kiss. i'm thinking, this is like saying kiss my ass. i decline that small gesture of disrespect, and left after she told me she has an english class at 8pm. her new bf or somebody is paying for it. i say adios and head to sosua.

[Wrx2005]

public affection is frowned on in normal dr culture. i have had many chicas who would [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) you behind closed doors who will not touch in public. trust me she meant no offence. every culture is different. i was hanging with a novia and hooked my wingman with her cute sister. we went on an outing with family. the father got pissed because the guy kept getting frisky. these were lower class dr folk.i don't know where you got that from that pa is frowned upon in normal dr culture, but you are wrong. people generally don't walk around kissing on the lips every time they meet someone. hugging and kissing on the cheek is very common in the dr. unless you have some foreign idea of what pa is, that is also an example of it. you going to say that is not the norm in dr culture? i see more kissing and hugging in the dr than i see in the states. the situation i'm talking about aint like your wing man meeting a chica for the 1st time. i didn't just meet the woman. i already had her in bed before.

i know you mean well giving an arm chair analysis, but you don't know any history between us. you don't know enough particulars to draw a precise opinion about this particular chica. the chica avoided lip to lip contact for a reason, not because pa is frowned upon in normal dr culture. my approach was a test. and she failed. i won't waste my time or pesos on that. meanwhile, the bar girl in sosua more than made up for the decision i made to leave pop alone. oh yeah, when i parted with her she kissed me on the lips. she didn't point to her cheek for me to kiss. that kiss said i want to have a good time with you again and enjoy the pay off afterwards. the pop chica was just interested in getting those pesos. chances are she would have been boring to be with in cabarete. got to read the signs buddy. chicas body language is important to pay attention to.

[Mr Gogo]

When I first started going to the DR years ago it seemed everyone was nicer. If you met them once then they were your friend (Talking about girls). That double beso beso was standard. From the avis rental girl at the airport to every bar girl that hasn't seen me since my last trip. Even if I had a girl with me already, the beso beso was standard. And it had to be both sides of the cheeks. One side only and it wasn't right.

Nowadays girls have gotten a little harder and more business like. Nobody smiles and is happy in the DR like before. Public affection has always been accepted in the DR culture, but now people just don't trust so easily. Damn I miss the good old days when girls were lovable and nice.

[OldKool]

I got my info from dealing in he DR with chicas other then Putas. I had a girl friend I was saying good by to. I was surprised when she was hesitant when I kissed her good by. Iam thinking how I would relate in the states. It is different in the DR from what I have seen. Your Sosua girl sounds like a straight puta. I have had this discussions with guys and girls about PA. I was informed that it is most often frowned upon. Kissing and fondling are some what taboo in public. It is very easy to violate cultual norms and not realize it. I am sure there guys on the forum who know more then I but I believe I am correct. DR is a conservative Catholic country on the surface. Hanging in the DR and enjoying the culture is my favorite hobby. I am relating what I have learned to help others. You could be embaricing your girl and not know it. If you are dealing with putas it may not matter. I felt rebuffed when my girl was hesitant. While she felt uncomfortable with PA based on her culture and upbringing. Kissing on the cheek is not PA, that is normal greeting. Your girls body language was telling I am not comfortable with PA kiss my cheek. IMHO What girls do in Sosua is a poor measure of DR culture. LOL.


I don't know where you got that from that PA is frowned upon in normal DR culture, but you are wrong. People generally don't walk around kissing on the lips every time they meet someone. Hugging and kissing on the cheek is very common in the dr. Unless you have some foreign idea of what PA is, that is also an example of it. You going to say that is not the norm in DR culture? I see more kissing and hugging in the DR than I see in the states. The situation I'm talking about aint like your wing man meeting a chica for the 1st time. I didn't just meet the woman. I already had her in bed before.

I know you mean well giving an arm chair analysis, but you don't know any history between us. You don't know enough particulars to draw a precise opinion about this particular chica. The chica avoided lip to lip contact for a reason, not because PA is frowned upon in normal DR culture. My approach was a test. And she failed. I won't waste my time or pesos on that. Meanwhile, the bar girl in Sosua more than made up for the decision I made to leave POP alone. Oh yeah, when I parted with her she kissed me on the lips. She didn't point to her cheek for me to kiss. That kiss said I want to have a good time with you again and enjoy the pay off afterwards. The POP chica was just interested in getting those pesos. Chances are she would have been boring to be with in Cabarete. Got to read the signs buddy. Chicas body language is important to pay attention to.

[Bravo]

I have had this discussions with guys and girls about PA. I was informed that it is most often frowned upon. Kissing and fondling are some what taboo in public. It is very easy to violate cultual norms and not realize it. I am sure there guys on the forum who know more then I but I believe I am correct.Kissing on the cheek is not PA, that is normal greeting. Your girls body language was telling I am not comfortable with PA kiss my cheek. IMHO What girls do in Sosua is a poor measure of DR culture. LOL.Giving a quick peck on on the lips is not considered overboard on the Dominican PA scale, but they do frown upon anything more happening in public. I have had girls in Classicos (Classicos of all fucking places) who told me that they hate how gringos feel up their bodies in the disco. They feel it is disrespectful for a man to palm and grab their ass for everyone to see. Its kinda like "Everyone in here knows I am selling my body, but you don't have to treat me like a prostitute and make a show in front of the entire club".

The normal girls I have dealt with are pretty reserved in public too. Hand holding and the occasional kiss is acceptable but nothing more. And in front of their family, you definitely need to respect!

[Mr Enternational]

I just asked my girl and she said it is normal for couples to kiss in the mouth in public. I asked but with tongue too and she said No importa solo hay que ser cuidadoso de no exagerar. Porque me pregunta esas cosas??? Amigos queren saber. Oki

[Wrx2005]

Giving a quick peck on on the lips is not considered overboard on the Dominican PA scale, but they do frown upon anything more happening in public. I have had girls in Classicos (Classicos of all fucking places) who told me that they hate how gringos feel up their bodies in the disco. They feel it is disrespectful for a man to palm and grab their ass for everyone to see. Its kinda like "Everyone in here knows I am selling my body, but you don't have to treat me like a prostitute and make a show in front of the entire club".

The normal girls I have dealt with are pretty reserved in public too. Hand holding and the occasional kiss is acceptable but nothing more. And in front of their family, you definitely need to respect!The chica in question is someone I had a brief relationship with. I don't know if you guys are grasping that part? This wasnt just some chica I hadn't slept with already. Just last month she was telling me how much she missed me, mi amor this, mi amor that etc etc. So aside from what Oldkool is saying, this situation doesn't have anything to do with normal DR culture. This has more to do with how this chica was responding to me based on the fact that I phased her out just last month. We still kept in contact through whatsapp, but that was all, and things werent the same. I used to get phone calls from her. Now no phone calls. And the texts are all shallow exchanges. I know the reason for her maintaining contact. It was mainly to keep me as a back up for getting pesos from me. And my reason is to tag that pussy again. A week before getting to the DR, I started getting a lot of texts from her. Thats not surprising. Most chicas do that if they know or have an idea a guy is coming soon. She was no exception.

So you see just last month we always kissed in public and in private. Now even though she is willing to hang with me. Now she wants to give me a handshake or her cheek? That is a message she is sending. It's not about normal DR culture.

[Wrx2005]

I got my info from dealing in he DR with chicas other then Putas. I had a girl friend I was saying good by to. I was surprised when she was hesitant when I kissed her good by. Iam thinking how I would relate in the states. It is different in the DR from what I have seen. Your Sosua girl sounds like a straight puta. I have had this discussions with guys and girls about PA. I was informed that it is most often frowned upon. Kissing and fondling are some what taboo in public. It is very easy to violate cultual norms and not realize it. I am sure there guys on the forum who know more then I but I believe I am correct. DR is a conservative Catholic country on the surface. Hanging in the DR and enjoying the culture is my favorite hobby. I am relating what I have learned to help others. You could be embaricing your girl and not know it. If you are dealing with putas it may not matter. I felt rebuffed when my girl was hesitant. While she felt uncomfortable with PA based on her culture and upbringing. Kissing on the cheek is not PA, that is normal greeting. Your girls body language was telling I am not comfortable with PA kiss my cheek. IMHO What girls do in Sosua is a poor measure of DR culture. LOL.C'mon man. Give up the analysis. I tried to tell you, this situation was more about tension between us. This don't have jack to do with DR culture. It doesn't really matter what the generalization of DR culture is supposed to be. This chica was sending me a message because she was still sore over being phased out on my last trip. And the only reason she was willing to go with me on a date, is to secure some pesos. Thats is the norm for many chicas, but the point is, I could tell she would have been bad company. Her whole attitude and spirit would have sucked. I witnessed 1st hand back in June. That is the main reason I phased her out last month. To put it another way. The only thing we have in common is p4p. But she is probably sore because she claimed me as her novio just last month.

This situation can happen anywhere. It don't have jack to do with just normal DR culture. Any woman who gets phased out aint going to be fawning over a guy. I wasnt looking for that, just a peck. She didn't offer it, but her cheek. I decided to take my business elsewhere. You can assume what ever you want. A puta, a non pro, a puta fronting, it don't matter. I have to decide if a chica will be good or lousy company. And FYI, I'm in SD now. My ex novia in SD hugged and kissed me as soon as she got out of the taxi. I haven't seen her since March. We just got back from playing pool. Were on our way back out for drinks. So matter what you may think about DR culture. It don't fit every cirumstance or situation. And therefore is not necessarily reliable info when it doesn't apply.

[Alex Deuce]

Wrx2005 laid out his feelings pretty well and based upon the tension, he read the situation correctly. Dominicans are really affectionate and more so when competition is around. They hug and kiss on each other incessantly. Its extremely in poor taste to grope a woman in public but hugging, kissing, running fingers over bald heads and through hair is common place for couples. The same etiquette you follow when meeting parents in your home country should be followed here. If there is a father and brothers present, your action to a traditional Spanish catholic family structure can be hazardous to your health.

[Wrx2005]

I got my info from dealing in he DR with chicas other then Putas. I had a girl friend I was saying good by to. I was surprised when she was hesitant when I kissed her good by. Iam thinking how I would relate in the states. It is different in the DR from what I have seen. Your Sosua girl sounds like a straight puta. I have had this discussions with guys and girls about PA. I was informed that it is most often frowned upon. Kissing and fondling are some what taboo in public. It is very easy to violate cultual norms and not realize it. I am sure there guys on the forum who know more then I but I believe I am correct. DR is a conservative Catholic country on the surface. Hanging in the DR and enjoying the culture is my favorite hobby. I am relating what I have learned to help others. You could be embaricing your girl and not know it. If you are dealing with putas it may not matter. I felt rebuffed when my girl was hesitant. While she felt uncomfortable with PA based on her culture and upbringing. Kissing on the cheek is not PA, that is normal greeting. Your girls body language was telling I am not comfortable with PA kiss my cheek. IMHO What girls do in Sosua is a poor measure of DR culture. LOL.Just to come back to this. Why are you bringing up fondling? Did I say anything or have a dispute about fondling women in public? No I didn't. And since when is hugging not demonstrating a form of affection for someone? A hug is a form of affection. If it's displayed in public it is a public display of affection. Just because it isn't sexual or romantic doesn't make it non affectionate.

[Wrx2005]

I just asked my girl and she said it is normal for couples to kiss in the mouth in public. I asked but with tongue too and she said No importa solo hay que ser cuidadoso de no exagerar. Porque me pregunta esas cosas??? Amigos queren saber. OkiThanks for pointing that out. Mr E if there are couples that have kissed in public. Does it really matter what the norm is supposed to be? There are always going to be exceptions. The other thing is. The make up of the couples. She didnt specify if that applies to every couple? IT could be different for 2 dominicans, for a dominican woman and a gringo male, for a dominican male and a gringo woman?

IMO many couples when they meet or part may give each other a kiss. I see moto concho drivers kissing their women when they drop them off to work. I see chicas meeting their men at the airport, give them a kiss. I see dominican women giving a guy a kiss at the airport when he is leaving. So I don't know what Old Kools generalization of DR culture has to do with anything, when everything depends on the couple and what THEY are comfortable with.

[Wrx2005]

Good report. The unfortunate thing about the STI hotel market is either very expensive or so cheap you need a bio-hazard to live in.

Peace,

BBLI kinda felt that way, especially after checking into Alberto Suites. Cheap in cost yes, however it reminds me of a YMCA. I can't complain though, it was a great tip from members of the board who helped me find a place I could crash after a late night flight into STI.

[Wrx2005]

When I first started going to the DR years ago it seemed everyone was nicer. If you met them once then they were your friend (Talking about girls). That double beso beso was standard. From the avis rental girl at the airport to every bar girl that hasn't seen me since my last trip. Even if I had a girl with me already, the beso beso was standard. And it had to be both sides of the cheeks. One side only and it wasn't right.

Nowadays girls have gotten a little harder and more business like. Nobody smiles and is happy in the DR like before. Public affection has always been accepted in the DR culture, but now people just don't trust so easily. Damn I miss the good old days when girls were lovable and nice.I was 1st introduced to dominican PA back in 2008. I met my GF in the states, but we traveled to her home town, and all over the DR. Everywhere I went, I experienced hugs or the double kiss on the cheek. In fact the POP chica I am talking about, her mother did the double cheek kiss and hug with me. Kinda caught me off guard, because many DR women are not doing that.

For some reason, a certain individual doesn't regard a kiss on the cheek as a form of affection. He thinks that because it is done when greeting that affection isn't involved. He apparently doesn't know the def of affection. No reason or explanation for his statement, just being unnecessarily counter-argumentive.

""""Kissing on the cheek is not PA, that is normal greeting.""" OK

[OldKool]

You are one insecure MF. My statement unlike this one was not a personal attack. I wanted guys visiting the DR to understand the culture and not be surprised. The fact that you think a kiss on the cheek is PA is funny. PA is romantic gestures. Now I hope you are on medication. No wonder the chica would not kiss you. IMHO you have some serious issues POPPI. Take your meds and chill.


Just to come back to this. Why are you bringing up fondling? Did I say anything or have a dispute about fondling women in public? No I didn't. And since when is hugging not demonstrating a form of affection for someone? A hug is a form of affection. If it's displayed in public it is a public display of affection. Just because it isn't sexual or romantic doesn't make it non affectionate.

[Wrx2005]

You are one insecure MF. My statement unlike this one was not a personal attack. I wanted guys visiting the DR to understand the culture and not be surprised. The fact that you think a kiss on the cheek is PA is funny. PA is romantic gestures. Now I hope you are on medication. No wonder the chica would not kiss you. IMHO you have some serious issues POPPI. Take your meds and chill.Hold the phone cowboy. You werent attacked. Not by me. I just asked a legit question of why you brought up fondling? Was that to make your weak position stronger? I don't view what you wrote as an attack. Let me correct you. I view your statements as someone who fails to realize when they don't have a clue about a particular situation, and try to use some contrived generalization about DR culture based on limited experience. And then when your position is exposed for the weakness that it represents. You want to assume a correction is you being attacked. Thats you. And you are consistent in doing that all over the place. Apparently you can't accept being corrected when you are wrong. Take your lumps like a man. LOL

A hug or a kiss on the cheek in public is as an example of public affection. If it aint, then prove it wrong! Don't just say it's funny. Give me some reasons or rationale to consider. Maybe we can all learn something from the way you see the world. Public affection is not just romantic gestures. If a father hugs his daughter or kisses her on the cheek out in public, that is an example of being affectionate. Thats PA. Prove it wrong. Show me that PA is only romantic gestures?

Anyway. You've had at least 3 individuals confirm here that a kiss is on the lips is common and acceptable within DR culture. You going to tell them your experience makes them wrong too? I already gave the reason for the chicas behavior. You got anything else to add about the situation Sherlock? SMDH You are one funny dude. Too easy and transparent. I'll be happy to read your assessment of what my issues are supposed to be. Let me know after you get your cyber foot out of your mouth. <smile>

[Alex Deuce]

The problem with this discussion is that many have no idea of what is "Normal" Behavior for Dominican culture. You can't take what you gleam from the bottom of the social strata and generalize it to an entire culture; albeit the lower strata is an extremely large portion of the population (almost half).

Translation: Don't use or view any of what a hooker does or says as normal. What some of us, say to and do with, Putas are outright unacceptable to Middle class Dominican men and women; especially coming from a Gringo.

[Manny51]

Mr. Gogo,

Wondering if I could ask you a general travellers question.

I have two extra cell phones that I use when I travel internationally. I bought one in Thailand, which is on the 900/1800 bandwidth, and another that I bought in Peru on the 850/1900 bandwidth.

But when I check online, the DR is one of the few countries that is listed as both 900/1800 and 850/1900 on every chart I can find. Do you know what this means? What kind of cell phone do you take with you?

Thanks!

[Mr Gogo]

Mr. Gogo,

Wondering if I could ask you a general travellers question.

I have two extra cell phones that I use when I travel internationally. I bought one in Thailand, which is on the 900/1800 bandwidth, and another that I bought in Peru on the 850/1900 bandwidth.

But when I check online, the DR is one of the few countries that is listed as both 900/1800 and 850/1900 on every chart I can find. Do you know what this means? What kind of cell phone do you take with you?

Thanks!I'm actually getting into the used cell phone business. I sold brother P an unlocked Iphone. Also 3 other guys from this board purchased sn unlocked Htc one s and a galaxy 3. Just make sure its unlocked and it should work in the DR. You have two different types of sim cards, micro and regular.

[Mr Gogo]

Thank you Passions.

[Manny51]

I'm actually getting into the used cell phone business. I sold brother P an unlocked Iphone. Also 3 other guys from this board purchased sn unlocked Htc one s and a galaxy 3. Just make sure its unlocked and it should work in the DR. You have two different types of sim cards, micro and regular.So are you saying that either cell phone will work?

They are both unlocked, and I was going to buy a sim card when I get to the DR.

[Mr Gogo]

So are you saying that either cell phone will work?

They are both unlocked, and I was going to buy a sim card when I get to the DR.All my unlocked phones work in the DR.

[Frannie]

So are you saying that either cell phone will work?

They are both unlocked, and I was going to buy a sim card when I get to the DR.There are some differences between phones and the frequencies they are equipped to use. Also note that there are differences between T-Mobile phones and AT&T phones.

1. CLARO

Frequency: GSM 850/1900.

2. Orange

Frequency: GSM 900/1800/1900.

Just check your phones to see what they are compatible with.

[Manny51]

There are some differences between phones and the frequencies they are equipped to use. Also note that there are differences between T-Mobile phones and AT&T phones.

1. CLARO

Frequency: GSM 850/1900.

2. Orange

Frequency: GSM 900/1800/1900.

Just check your phones to see what they are compatible with.Thanks for the specifics. Looks like I"ll go with Claro.

[SavePros321]

To follow up from Revere's post in the Sosua forum:

A. Introduction.

The Dominican Republic is an important transit country for illicit drugs from South America destined for North America and Europe. The USA government estimates that approximately four percent of the cocaine transiting to North America and Europe transships through Hispaniola, much of it through the Dominican Republic. USA and Dominican analysts assess that maritime routes are the primary method of smuggling drugs into and out of the country and recent maritime interdiction operations validate this assessment. Drug Trafficking Organizations (DTOs) are using 'go-fast' boats and commercial containers to smuggle drugs into and out of the Dominican Republic. The country is also experiencing an increase in narcotics-related violence, partially attributable to the practice of DTOs of paying local partners in narcotics rather than cash.

In order to combat the influence of DTOs, the Dominican Republic continued its cooperation with the USA government in 2012 in efforts to interdict illicit drugs and extradite criminals charged with narcotics-related crimes. The United States is actively working with Dominican counterparts to plan and conduct international operations to seize illicit drugs and dismantle DTOs; however, corruption continues to hamper these efforts. The Dominican government conducts outreach efforts to warn youth about the dangers of drugs.

B. Drug Control Accomplishments, Policies, and Trends.

1. Institutional Development.

Cooperation remains strong between the Dominican government and the United States government to control narcotics trafficking and related transnational crime. The USA government's primary partners are the National Directorate for the Control of Drugs (DNCD) , Dominican National Police (DNP) , the National Council on Drugs (CND) , the Office of the Attorney General, and the Dominican Armed Forces. The DNCD and DNP continued to enhance their joint cooperation in 2012 with a focus on money laundering activities and drug seizures. Dominican law enforcement and military units coordinated effectively, which contributed to increased drug seizures, but room for improvement remains. The Dominican Specialized Corps for Port Security, working in conjunction with USA authorities and private port operators initiated efforts to improve security at several ports. The participation of the Dominican government in the Cooperating Nations Information Exchange System and the Caribbean Basin Security Initiative (CBSI) enhanced relations with the United States and regional Caribbean partners. Dominican authorities continued joint efforts with Haitian National Police to combat drug trafficking by increasing law enforcement cooperation and providing training.

The Dominican Republic is a party to the Inter-American Convention against Corruption. In 1985, the United States and the Dominican Republic signed an agreement on international narcotics control cooperation. The Dominican Republic signed and ratified the Caribbean Regional Maritime Agreement and has a maritime counter-drug agreement with the United States that entered into force in 1995. In 2005, the Dominican Republic augmented the United States-Dominican Extradition Treaty of 1909 to include judicial review for more transparency. In 2012, the United States and the Dominican Republic entered into a Permanent Forfeited Asset-Sharing Agreement.

The United States continues to receive excellent cooperation from the DNCD's Fugitive Surveillance / Apprehension Unit and other Dominican authorities. The Dominican Republic continues to be the fourth most active extradition partner to the United States, behind only Mexico, Canada and Colombia. The Dominican Republic is not party to the Organization of American States Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty and does not have a bilateral mutual legal assistance treaty with the United States. Requests for judicial cooperation are made through formal and informal channels related to the multilateral law enforcement cooperation treaties and conventions to which the United States and the Dominican Republic are parties. The Dominican Republic processes USA requests for legal and judicial assistance in a timely manner.

2. Supply Reduction.

Narcotics are seized throughout the country, but the majority of seizures are made through operations targeting vessels from South America. Dominican authorities seized approximately 10 metric tons (MT) of cocaine. 39 kilograms (kg) of heroin, and 754 kg of marijuana. Cocaine seizures represent a significant increase over 2011, during which Dominican authorities seized 6. 71 MT. Marijuana is cultivated in the Dominican Republic for local consumption, and seizures are concentrated in the northwest and southwest provinces that border Haiti.

Following successful air interdiction efforts by Dominican authorities and the dismantling of two major DTOs in 2010, drug flights from South America to the Dominican Republic have all but disappeared and there were no reported drug flights in 2011 or 2012. However, illicit drugs remain available for local consumption and are transshipped to the United States and Europe, primarily through maritime routes. The DNCD and Dominican military officials cooperated with the United States and international partners in planning and conducting operations to interdict 'go-fast' vessels attempting to deliver illicit narcotics to remote areas of the southern coast, as well as to interdict drugs exiting the Dominican Republic en route to the United States and other international destinations. One Dominican port, Caucedo, is operating in compliance with the Container Security Initiative (CSI) , a USA initiative to help increase security for maritime containerized cargo shipped to the United States. However, the other 15 Dominican ports, including Rio Haina, the other major Dominican port handling container traffic destined for the United States, are not CSI compliant. The DNCD is attempting to place more narcotics-detecting dog teams at ports and is seeking to acquire scanners to check containers entering and exiting the country.

3. Drug Abuse Awareness, Demand Reduction, and Treatment.

Local drug use is concentrated in tourist and major metropolitan areas, although drug use and associated violence in the larger provincial towns increased in 2012. The CND continued effective demand reduction efforts with a wide range of sporting, cultural, and educational events and seminars designed to warn Dominican youth of the negative effects of drug use. Additionally, the CND placed numerous billboards and multimedia advertisements throughout the country warning youth against the use of illicit drugs. The CND and Ministry of Education developed the Strategic National University Plan on the Prevention and Use of Drugs, which the Organization of American States' Inter-American Drug Abuse Control Commission noted could be used by other nations as a model program. DNP continues to promote community-based policing as an effective way to deal with crime in local neighborhoods. Community policing events were well received and demonstrated a public desire for expansion of this program, prompting the DNP to develop a strategy to expand community based policing efforts.

4. Corruption.

As a matter of policy, the Dominican government does not encourage or facilitate the illicit production, processing, or distribution of narcotics, psychotropic drugs and other controlled substances, or condone drug-related money laundering activities; however, corruption remains endemic at all levels of Dominican society. Dominican law enforcement, military, and government officials are often accused of a range of corrupt activities including narcotics trafficking, money laundering, extrajudicial killing and other crimes. The Dominican government pursued efforts to reduce corruption in several areas, including continued focus on developing internal affairs units, and changing the venue of judicial proceedings when necessary. In 2012, the DNCD created a polygraph team to vet DNCD personnel and implemented an incentives program that rewards personnel for providing information on corruption. Also in 2012, the DNCD removed 77 members for improper behavior and violations of the Code of Conduct. The DNP Internal Affairs Office conducted 1, 415 investigations that led to the dismissal of 155 police officers.

Recognizing that corruption in the Dominican Republic adversely affects programs ranging from promoting economic growth to combating drug and other forms of illicit trafficking, the Dominican government asked multilateral organizations, the United States, and other donor nations to help address the issue, creating the Participatory Anticorruption Initiative (IPAC). The government has implemented many of the IPAC's 30 recommendations, and several become part of the Dominican Republic National Action Plan for the Open Government Partnership (OGP) , presented in April 2012 at the OGP High-Level Summit in Brazil.

C. National Goals, Bilateral Cooperation, and USA Policy Initiatives.

The United States supports a wide range of efforts designed to address crime and violence affecting Dominican citizens, primarily through the Caribbean Basin Security Initiative (CBSI). CBSI is a security partnership between the United States and Caribbean nations that seeks to substantially reduce illicit trafficking, advance public safety and citizen security, and promote social justice. With CBSI funds, the United States government implements programs designed to enhance existing Dominican law enforcement capabilities by improving technical and professional abilities to conduct investigations, to enable effective prosecution, and to coordinate and participate in counternarcotics efforts with the United States and neighboring countries' law enforcement agencies. The United States is also working with Dominican officials to develop an effective anti-money laundering agency. The USA law enforcement community has strong relationships with its Dominican colleagues, as evidenced by the extradition or deportation of 24 fugitives to the United States in 2011, and 14 through the first 10 months of 2012.

The United States provided equipment and training to increase the capabilities of various Dominican law enforcement entities including support for the DNCD drug-detection canine units, and other specialized DNCD investigative and reactive units. The United States also enhanced DNCD's computer training, database expansion, and systems maintenance support. The United States is also supporting an initiative to increase port security in two of the busiest Dominican ports, and in 2012 provided training in maritime law enforcement, search and rescue, port security, crisis management and professional development for the Dominican Navy's officer and enlisted corps. In addition, the USA Southern Command provides tactical training, equipment, and other assistance to both the DNCD and Dominican military involved in illicit trafficking interdiction.

The United States continues to assist the DNP with its transformation into a professional, civilian-oriented organization by providing training at the entry and officer levels. In addition, the Dominican government has two Police Organic Law proposals pending that, if passed, would bring about significant institutional changes to the DNP. The Dominican Republic continues to work towards passing legislative proposals related to illegal enrichment and anti-corruption by public officials. Work to strengthen the infrastructure of the Financial Analysis Unit is ongoing.

The United States continues to support the Dominican Republic's efforts to establish a transparent and effective justice sector. USA assistance promotes justice sector reforms by strengthening Dominican government capacity to manage and prosecute complex money laundering, fraud, public corruption and illicit trafficking cases, as well as to establish internal controls to prevent corruption. The United States works with the Offices of the Attorney General, Prosecutorial Training School, Judiciary, Public Ministry, Public Defense, Supreme Court of Justice, and Constitutional Tribunal. In partnership with the Dominican government, USA assistance improves service delivery at the district level by strengthening coordination between prosecutors, judges, public defenders and the DNP in processing cases and resolution of obstacles to effective caseload management. As part of CBSI, USA assistance also strengthens Dominican civil society coalitions for citizen security and criminal justice reform, and provides technical assistance for the development and passage of a new organic law on police reform.

USA assistance also helps to strengthen leadership, strategic planning and human resources management capacity within the DNP. The United States supports the advancement of operational reforms established under the IPAC, which serves as the overall donor framework for anticorruption programming in the Dominican Republic. IPAC works to strengthen transparency and reduce corruption in key areas of public service delivery such as national budget execution, procurement and audit, education, health, water, and energy. The Dominican Republic's participation in the Open Government Partnership also serves to reinforce these efforts under IPAC.

D. Conclusion.

Combating pervasive corruption, restoring public confidence in law enforcement entities and the judiciary, addressing maritime illicit narcotics smuggling, and combating rising levels of narcotics-fueled violence remain among the challenges facing the Dominican Republic. The Dominican Republic's highly successful aerial interdiction efforts since 2010 demonstrate that Dominican institutions have the capacity and will to stem the flow of drugs into the country. Similar maritime interdiction efforts will be necessary to effectively combat narcotics trafficking by sea. The Dominican government must continue to improve its efforts to build a coherent, multifaceted counter-narcotics program. Key to that effort will be increased domestic cooperation between the DNP, DNCD, and military units combined with greater cooperation with law enforcement agencies in other countries in the region.

http://www.state.gov/j/inl/rls/nrcrpt/2013/vol1/204049.htm#Dominican_Republic

[SavePros321]

just to follow up on revere's post in the sosua forum:

crime: crime continues to be a problem throughout the dominican republic. street crime and petty theft involving usa tourists does occur, and you should take precautions to avoid becoming a target. while pick pocketing and mugging are the most common crimes against tourists, reports of violence against both foreigners and locals are growing. valuables left unattended in parked automobiles, on beaches, and in other public places are vulnerable to theft, and car theft remains a problem.

there are continuing reports of thefts that target tourists en route from the airport to their hotel or home. some usa citizens have been victimized in taxis. in a typical case, a taxi with rolled-down windows stops at a traffic light, and a motorcyclist reaches in and steals a purse or other valuables. you are advised to utilize the taxi service authorized by the airport if you did not make arrangements before arrival. even when using such an authorized taxi service, you should always be aware of the potential for a criminal to stalk travelers leaving the airport parking area. motorcyclists have also been known to steal purses or jewelry of pedestrians. usa citizens in privately owned vehicles have also been targeted, and you should always keep doors and windows locked and be aware of your surroundings to deter criminals. some travelers returning to local residences in privately owned vehicles have been followed, assaulted, and robbed upon arrival at their home. several usa citizens have also been targeted and robbed at bus stations, possibly as a result of gang activity. take measures to safeguard your personal security at all times.

the dangers present in the dominican republic are similar to those of many major usa cities. criminals can be dangerous. many have weapons and are likely to use them if they meet resistance. visitors walking the streets should always be aware of their surroundings. be wary of strangers, especially those who seek you out at celebrations or nightspots. travel with a partner or in a group if possible.

many public transportation vehicles are unsafe, especially the route taxis or 'carros publicos' in urban areas. these are privately owned cars that run along certain routes, can take up to six or more passengers, and are inexpensive. passengers in 'carros publicos' are frequently the victims of pick pocketing, and passengers have on occasion been robbed by 'carro publico' drivers. urban buses ('guaguas') are only marginally better. we are also aware of at least one incident in which the driver of a 'motoconcho' (motorcycle taxi) robbed a usa citizen passenger. the usa embassy cautions its staff not to use these modes of transportation. as an alternative, some scheduled interurban bus services use modern buses and run on reliable timetables. these are generally the safest means of intercity travel. with respect to taxis, visitors to the dominican republic are strongly advised to take only hotel taxis or taxis operated by services whose cabs are arranged in advance by phone and can subsequently be identified and tracked. drivers should exercise extreme caution when driving at night and use major highways when possible. there was a case of a usa citizen riding her moped who was stopped and robbed on a rural road near samana. although kidnappings are not common in the dominican republic, usa citizens have been kidnapped and held for ransom in the past.

the usa embassy calls attention to certain criminal techniques that have surprised usa citizens and other victims in recent years:

several individuals reported robberies perpetrated by criminals on mopeds (often coasting with the engine turned off so as not to draw attention). the driver approaches a pedestrian, grabs his or her cell phone, purse or backpack, and then speeds away. this type of robbery is particularly dangerous because the motorcyclist reaches the intended victim at 15–20 miles per hour and often knocks the victim to the ground.

the embassy has received reports of crime involving apparent police collaboration. a seemingly-friendly stranger shakes hands with a tourist, who then finds that the stranger has placed a small baggie of cocaine or other substance into the tourist's hand. the tourist is then immediately apprehended by a police officer, and pays a 'fine' to the police to be set free.

usa citizens have been victimized at the airports in santo domingo and punta cana as they checked in their luggage and prepared to leave the country. smugglers obtained an authentic airline baggage tag in a usa citizen's name and placed it on baggage that contained drugs, presumably to be retrieved by an accomplice at the other end of the flight.

criminals may also misrepresent themselves in an effort to gain access to your residence or hotel room. in one case, dominican police arrested a building's maintenance man and an accomplice for a violent crime against a usa citizen. there have been instances when usa citizens were robbed of large amounts of cash immediately prior to a scheduled financial transaction by thieves with apparent inside knowledge of the transaction. in one case, a usa citizen was robbed just outside his attorney's office, and in another case a usa citizen reported he was victimized by two police officers.

usa citizens residing in private homes have been the victims of robberies, sometimes resulting in fatal violence. in one case, an elderly couple in san pedro de macoris was violently assaulted in their home and the husband murdered. in another case, a home in puerto plata was broken into and the visiting usa citizen occupants assaulted, tied up, and robbed. in still another case, two elderly usa citizens in santiago were robbed and attacked in their home with a machete. one died and the other was hospitalized with critical injuries.

the usa embassy continues to receive reports from usa citizens who have been stopped while driving and asked for 'donations' by someone who may appear to be a police officer before they are allowed to continue on their way. usually, the person (s) stopping the usa citizen drivers had approached from behind on a motorcycle; several of these motorcyclists pulled up alongside the driver's window and indicated that they were carrying a firearm. in some cases, the perpetrators were dressed in the light green uniform of 'amet, ' the dominican traffic police; however, they often seemed too young to be police officers or wore ill-fitting uniforms that might have been stolen. in another incident, individuals dressed in military fatigues told the victim they were police and requested the victim to follow them to the police station prior to robbing him. such incidents should be reported to the police and to the consular section. if dominican police stop you for a traffic violation, you should request a traffic ticket rather than paying an on-the-spot fine. you also have the right to ask police for identification. regulations require police to wear a nametag with their last name. while everyone driving in the dominican republic should abide by traffic laws and the instructions of legitimate authorities, usa citizens finding themselves in the aforementioned scenarios should exercise caution. in general, you should keep your doorslocked and windows closed at all times and leave yourself an escape route when stopping in traffic in the event of an accident or other threat. incidents involving police may be reported to the internal affairs department of the national police at 809-688-0777.

you should use credit cards judiciously while in the dominican republic. credit card fraud is common, and recent reports indicate that its incidence has increased significantly in santo domingo as well as in the resort areas of the country.

if you elect to use your credit or debit cards, you should never let the cards leave your sight. you should also pay close attention to credit card bills following time spent in the dominican republic. there have been reports of fraudulent charges appearing months after card usage in the dominican republic. victims of credit card fraud should contact the bank that issued the credit card immediately.

minimize the use of automated teller machines (atms) , which are present throughout santo domingo and other major cities. one local atm fraud scheme involves sticking photographic film or pieces of paper in the card feeder of the atm so that an inserted card becomes jammed. once the card owner has concluded the card is irretrievable, the thieves extract both the jamming material and the card, which they then use. there are other more sophisticated atm scams as well, including operations that involve 'insiders' who can access and manipulate electronic data entered by legitimate card holders at properly functioning atms. exercise caution and be aware of your surroundings when using an atm card.

the overall level of crime tends to rise during the christmas season, and you should take extra precautions when visiting the dominican republic between november and january.

read more:

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1103.html

[Shamester]

Thanks for the report.

Scary stuff. A reminder not to carry around much cash or credit cards.

[Revere]

SavePros, thanks for sharing the facts. I had no facts, but it did not feel right last time I went. I am glad that my mind was not going crazy, but something is really going on.

[Mr Gogo]

BBL called a couple days ago to give me the scoop. He said when he left SDQ he did the customary loop drive-by that consisted of George Washington to Lincoln to Independecia and he noticed alot of SWs and police. I'm like"What?", thats a bad combination. Yesterday AD reported the same thing. So I hit BQ ribs up because he lives on Independecia and he confirmed everything. He said it was busy for a Monday. I was visiting Tampa yesterday and they arrested 185 pimps and more as part of a national crackdown.

[Wrx2005]

Its day 7 about 9:45 am, took my ex regular to breakfast, put her in a taxi and drove to Sosua. Just an interesting thing about this chica. When I was seeing her more often, one of my concerns was her not having a job, or actively seeking one. She reminds me of one of the little boys in Sosua that used to roll with one of the bigger shoe shine boys. When you tell them that they need to do xyz if they expect help or supplementation, they take that info and suddenly pop up with a shoeshine box. Out of sight the little kid borrows the bigger kids shoeshine box, and went out to look for me thinking I would be pleased and he would be rewarded for his efforts of "working". Ordinarily I would be impressed, but it was shortlived. He only got the box because he thought he would get money from guys on vacation. Especially from guys that don't give handouts for doing nothing. This chica was no different. As soon as she knew I was coming to see her, she told me she had a job. My understanding was that I would see her after work. Like 6 pm.

According to her she has only been working a short time. When we get together she comes with a nice size bag of clothes. And I'm like ok, you brought clothes so you can go to work in the morning and have a change of clothes for the next day. Nope. Thats not it. She supposedly asked her "employer" for a few days off. The more I asked about this job the more her story about having a job, and actually getting days off didn't add up. In fact, she supposedly didn't go back to work the morning I left. There wasnt no damn job. She just made that shit up, because she remembered her not having a job is one of the reasons I phased her out. Which phased out the benefits she got. Her and the little shoeshine boy, and all other opportunists, are as transparent as Reynolds wrap.

This is the way of the opportunist. They will do or say whatever is needed to adjust to the target they are trying to extract money, goods and services from.

I get to Sosua, and my plan is to get together with the bar maid girl and go to the beach. Suddenly she is not working at the bar anymore. What happened I asked. Oh the boss and her have problems. He complains about the girls cell phone use, not paying attention to customers, and doesn't pay well. After only a few days she said she quit. I wanted to go to the beach, but she finally showed up 2hrs & 45 min past the time she was expected. Ordinarily I would have cancelled and moved on to plan be, but I was enjoying the moment at Rockys talking with a few guys. I tried to hold out from eating because I wanted to eat with the chica, but left and went down PC to Rickys for some dominican cuisine. As soon as I left Rockys, guess what, she shows up.

I go back pick her up and take her back to my spot. What I had was enough for 2. We got some Baileys and Barcelo. We had planned to go back out to play pool, but she wanted to fuck. In fact she asked me that."Quiero conmigo o billyad?" Afterwards then went across the street to her bar and played pool. I expected some tension between her and her ex boss. But when he saw he he actually hugged her and she hugged him back. The chica is a real actress. I suspect the moment she hooked up with me, she stopped working at the bar because she could make more money with me than in the bar. And waiting until 12 midnight to be able to go to Rumbas or Dlatins to hustle for money is not as good as the money she intends to make from a temporary boyfriend.

In the morning, we eat at Baileys, and I drop her off at the taxi stand. Although I had fun, I am trying my best not to get wifed up. I still hadn't made it to Sosua playa yet. And this chica will only slow me down or fuck up my plans. Of course she kept blowing up my phone.

[Wrx2005]

Close to 6 I head over to the bar across from my hotel and eat the remainder of my sandwich. While there, one of the new bar girls (I saw the other night when I was playing pool) was looking good. The 4 bar girls look kinda bored. I offered to buy them a whole pizza. Before the pizza arrived, I took one of the girls over to play pool. She seemed more interested in me than I was in her. I wanted the other girl. After 2 games, I went over to the one I wanted and got her to play. While playing tried to work out a date. She seemed down, we exchanged numbers. She called me around 12:30am. However we never got together. I think once she got out, her and the other girls wanted more action from Dlatins. I don't think she felt walking across the street to go straight to bed with an older guy was as appealing as going to Dlatins to drink, flirt and fuck a much younger dude. Oh well, thats how it goes.

I went out later, and she was there doing her thing with her friends and the guys in front of them. Of all that was out there, I wasnt really interested in pursuing other options. I decided to use this situation to take a break. I did walk over to the Merenge bar, sat and talked to a sexy looking chica I saw walking around earlier in the day. After a brief chat I headed back home.

Next day I head to Kika for a massage. Go to Rockys for some conversation, then around 12 I head to Sosua playa for a fish meal at Big mama's. While there, a chica came along with her 2 yr old daughter. I was well into my fish, but the chica was having fried chicken. I mentioned to her that her chicken looked pretty good. I turn my head for a minute, and she comes over and gives me a piece of her chicken. In turn, I bought her a soda. We ended up talking. She claimed she worked at one of the restaurants on the beach. Even had a card. By the time we got more aquainted, she went from having a job to not having a job, but wanting to work. Maybe I got it twisted. Sometimes these chicas communicate verbally like they write.

She took her daughter home, came back and we sat on the beach. She ate again. I'm thinking this is a cool unexpected pleasure. I just might have a date tonight. Not. Chica claimed she had to leave by 8. All the contact particulars were exchanged. She was going to take a publico, but I took her back to her barrio. Stopped at her uncles place. It started to get dark, so I left. Don't know if I will hook up with that chica. I can tell she had some hustle tendencies, even as sweet as she initially appeared. She didn't waste no time trying to pump sob story information into my ears. All I want is some hassle free pussy. I'm not applying to be any chicas WU.

Got back to my spot, and relaxed. This trip, internet / wifi was the worst experience I've ever had. Everywhere I went or stayed the wifi was slow as hell or non existent. I'm not one to hang out at Rumba or Dlatins, but I have always walked around and observed the scene. I think there is plenty of pussy to be had, just more of it and the quality is better when its gets later. Or so it appeared. I also felt I was seeing many of the same faces daily and even nightly. The numbers of different faces increased significantly the later it got. I walked down to CMP with a new guy. They were open, it was around 9pm. He wasnt impressed by the aggressive swarming they do there. We were going to walk further towards passions but never made it.

At Rockys guys were talking much about Peter and his wifes predicament. The military presence was in full effect around Sosua. They would be standing post in pairs with weapons supervising the scene. I saw politur police out and about as well. They did a good job of painting the lines and lanes on the strip.

Driving in the DR :

I drove around Santiago, POP, SD, Sosua. Driving on the highway was uneventful. But in the cities and barrios it was a day and nightmare. Cars, buses, trucks, motos (especially taxis) cut you off, take up 2 lanes to keep people from passing. People drive too fast, too damn slow, or too close. How I made it back to the fly by night car rental place in Santiago without a dent or a scratch is a feat in of itself. I paid $30 a day for 12 days. I don't think I will take that chance again renting a car with a fly by night car rental in sti. If I had an accident, that $30 a day would have turned into thousands. I don't know what insurance coverage I had, if any. I did hook up with 2 taxi guys. So I will use them while staying in sti. I paid one of those taxis, $20 from STI airport to Alberto Suites. I have yet to take the metro or caribe tours, but in my upcoming August vacation, I will, after an overnight stay in Santiago.

[OldKool]

I rented a car for a week In SD. It was one of the riskiest things I have done. The traffic was crazy. Everytime I reached my destination I said a prayer. In sd cabs can get you where you need to be. In Sosua you do not need a car. The buses can get you to any city in the country for a few bucks. Having your car is nice but if you ever make a mistake the cost could kill you.

Nd Santiago, POP, SD, Sosua. Driving on the highway was uneventful. But in the cities and barrios it was a day and nightmare. Cars, buses, trucks, motos (especially taxis) cut you off, take up 2 lanes to keep people from passing. People drive too fast, too damn slow, or too close. How I made it back to the fly by night car rental place in Santiago without a dent or a scratch is a feat in of itself. I paid $30 a day for 12 days. I don't think I will take that chance again renting a car with a fly by night car rental in sti. If I had an accident, that $30 a day would have turned into thousands. I don't know what insurance coverage I had, if any. I did hook up with 2 taxi guys. So I will use them while staying in sti. I paid one of those taxis, $20 from STI airport to Alberto Suites. I have yet to take the metro or caribe tours, but in my upcoming August vacation, I will, after an overnight stay in Santiago.[/QUOTE]

[Wrx2005]

Drove back to Santiago to spend the day with the 39 yr old (I think she's really over 40 ). We went back to Kukura macara restaurant. Earlier she had pleaded with me to let her cook for me. But I politely declined her offer and insisted she deserved the day off from any work. I had a pasta meal, kukura something. It had chicken, grated cheese, penne pasta, in a cognac salsa. I also had the Tropical Kukuramacara cocktail, try it. It's delicious and very potent. Afterwards we went to La Sirena and shopped for some groceries, and off to her house. I gave her the rest of my Baileys and Barcelo. And some household items I couldn't take with me on my flight.

I realize, I'm not really that attracted to this chica although she seems to be quite enamored with me. We left her place, and headed back to Alberto Suites. Fortunately for me she was intoxicated and went to sleep. I was tired as well. I escaped for the night, but that lasted only up until morning when she started using her body to let me know she wanted to fuck. I thought about it. I hadn't had sex in 2 nights, so perhaps a release couldn't hurt. The juice was actually satisfying. LOL.

After that, she showered and was getting ready for work. Her salon is near the hotel, but there was one major problem. She forgot the key to her salon. Now I have to take her all the way back to her house to get this damn key. We did that, and went to her salon. I decided maybe a pedicure and manicure would be a good idea. She did an excellent job. Much better and more comfortable than the pedicure I had when I was with Blondie. Since this is my 2nd salon visit, I notice the medi / pedicures are cheaper there than in Sosua. 250 pesos for a pedi and 100 for a manicure. If I remember correctly, a manicure in Sosua is 200 to 300 pesos and a pedicure around 400 pesos.

After that, I told her I had to leave, catch a nap, charge my electronics / phones. I thought I would stop back to her salon later, but decided it's time to move on. While I still had the car rental, I drove around looking for the Caribe Tours and Metro stations. I had 3 hours to kill before going to the airport at 4pm. Texted Blondie to test her spirit. She texted back that she doesn't have a problem with me. Later she texts me to see if I want to see her. Translation : I'd like to get some of that money before you leave. If I took her up on that offer, we would have had to go to Bora Bora because I already checked out of A / S.

I declined that offer and suggested it would be better if we got together in August. All in all, it was a great trip and quite adventurous. Especially traveling solo with no wing men or other friends on vacation with me. However, there were dozens of guys I recognized and communicated with that I have seen on several other occasions. Plus some expats I already knew. So it seemed like family was always there. Lastly I am happy my trip / vacation went well even with the problem with Blondie. But an accident with that rental car would have changed my trip / vacation significantly.

My impressions of Santiago is incomplete. I didn't get a chance to see what kind of nightlife there was. Like going to Pure disco near the Matum hotel. I did go to the Ahi Bar and there were quite a few nice looking women, but it did not see or create any opportunities for myself. I think speaking spanish would have been necessary. I did not connect with all of the Dom cupid chicas I had connected with. I had phone numbers but only acted on a few. I think they might be open to meeting if I contact them in August. There were some DC connections in SD, and I missed those opps too.

[Mr Enternational]

I rented a car for a week In SD. It was one of the riskiest things I have done. The traffic was crazy. Everytime I reached my destination I said a prayer. In sd cabs can get you where you need to be. In Sosua you do not need a car. The buses can get you to any city in the country for a few bucks. Having your car is nice but if you ever make a mistake the cost could kill you.Here is an accident my girl told me about last month. No need to be in a car to die. You could be killed in a bus just as well. Neither are taxi drivers immune from accidents.

http://puntacanatv.net/cuatros-muertos-y-mas-de-22-heridos-en-accidente-en-higuey/

http://www.franklincordero.com/2013/06/fotosmuertos-y-heridos-en-choque.html

http://emergenciaydesastre.********.com/2013/06/se-nos-informo-de-un-accidente-entre-un.html

[Wrx2005]

Here is an accident my girl told me about last month. No need to be in a car to die. You could be killed in a bus just as well. Neither are taxi drivers immune from accidents.

http://puntacanatv.net/cuatros-muertos-y-mas-de-22-heridos-en-accidente-en-higuey/

http://www.franklincordero.com/2013/06/fotosmuertos-y-heridos-en-choque.html

http://emergenciaydesastre.********.com/2013/06/se-nos-informo-de-un-accidente-entre-un.htmlWhile sitting at Rockys, Rick and expat Ben reported an accident involving a friend of theirs and the guys gf. They were on his motorcycle / scooter. This happened on RT 5 between Sosua and Cabarete. I believe they said they were cut off by a truck. The end result? The gf was killed, and the guy is in the hospital critically injured. Ben said he lost a foot in the accident. And he is all banged up. The guy I'm told is a regular at Rockys, and the girl friend usually was around the salon directly across from Rockys. This all just happened 4 or 5 days ago.

The morning before I left Sosua there was a dude on crutches walking out of Rockys ready to get into a car. He stopped briefly to tell us how he got hurt. Apparently he slipped in the bathroom on a slippery tile floor. He said it happened over a month ago in Sosua and he hasnt left the dr yet. One needs to be careful even when walking around. I have almost twisted my ankle and tripped walking around in Sosua because of uneven streets and sidewalks. SD is the worse. But while walking in the Gazcue area, you could step into a large open hole in the sidewalk if not paying attention.

[SavePros321]

to this day i have never heard anyone say anything good about boca chica. taken from c r t and posted by koolaidkid:

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after first spending two days in panama, three days in santo domingo and four days in sosua, my buddy and i decided to spend one night in boca chica before we headed back home. our flight left on a monday so sunday morning we took the 4 and a half hr bus ride down to santo domingo. i had my novia from sd meet us at the bus station and off we went to don juan hotel. this is an all inclusive resort and we landed ocean view rooms for $99. although it is an all inclusive resort, you still had to pay extra for premium drinks.

i had spent the prior four nights phucking girls in sosua so i was pretty tired. i knew my novia could only stay a few hours because she had to get back home to her ch*ld. her sister only agreed to watch the crumb snacher until 9 pm we arrive at the hotel about 5 p. m, shower together and of course she wanted to play. i did the best that i could to satisfy this 26 year old beauty. remember, i'm on the last day of a nine day phuckfest. this is my novia so no need to go into the various positions but i lost count after five different ones. we meet up with my wing and his novia and down stairs for more drinks.

my girls leaves around 9 pm and i go to dinner with my wing and his novia. we eat, drink, talk, drink, rest, drink and drink some more. around 11:30 my wing decides to call it a night. there is a live latina band playing music outside so i stay outside and listen. nice music, nice night and i'm loving it. the band takes a break and i decide to go lay down in the beach chairs that are still on the property but on the sand. the beach is near and i can see several people from time to time walking on the beach. there are a bunch of palm like trees on the beach and every now and then i can see girls peaking around the trees and trying to get my attention. the little chicas are advancing as though this is a game a laser tag. each time they get about two trees from my chair, a guard would see them, tell them to leave, and they would rep001terer like roaches when the lights come on. i thought this was kinda comical.

ok, here's where it gets funny. i have been drinking all day but i did not feel drunk. i was alone it was after midnight. i am in boca chica. therefore, you know nothing good can come from this story. so guys, please be easy on me with the "koolaid, you were a dumbazz for putting yourself in that situation. i know that already!

i did not want to phuck anybody. i was tired but i wanted to walk closer to the beach. before i could make it to the water which was about 50 yards from where i started, a young beautiful girls approaches and asked if i wanted a bj. i told her she looked about 16 and she said no i'm 22. i asked for i'd, it looked like her, i asked her name and it matched the name and she knew the birth date. could have been fake but i'm not sure. she tells me she will give me a bj for 300 pesos and full service for 500. i don't want sex, is what my mind is saying. but that little head said yes you do. she says we can go right over there to that chair which is about another 30 yards under a tree. i said no let's go to my room. suddenly another nice looking girl appears and says she wants to join us too. she says no difference in price but i would like it better with two girls. little head says yea.

we decide to head over to the chair under the tree because i would have to pay a chica fee for the girls to get in. $37 each. we go to the chair and the first girl takes off her top and puts my hands on some natures 34 see. full and perky. i sit in the lounge chair and the bbbj starts. feels good but little guy remains simi soft. the other girls is kissing my chest and she tells the first girl to get a condom. i stand up and the girl takes her shorts off. i start thinking, this is crazy! we are out here in the open and i'm not sure what would happen if were caught. the second girl is trying to convince me that everything is ok and she is trying to take my shorts off. the first girl is still sitting in the chair and she continues to deliver a good bj.

all of a sudden, the girl that is behind me flo-jo's down the beach at olympic speed. it takes me afew seconds to realize that she took my money and was off to the races. i grabbed the girl that was left by the hair and said, your friend took my money. i said bisch you want to die. she says no no papi no es mi culpa! she then does two quick backward rolls and hops to her feet. she also ran full speed down the beach. i stood there for about a minute before i began laughing my azz off. all in all the girls made away with about $51 and i got to tell a good story.

morel of the story, don't be drunk, alone, and stupid on the beaches of boca chica after 12:00 am

[OldKool]

what a tough life. nice report. i love how spontaneous you are. having so much sex in such a short time is awesome at this stage of life. what did your novia think of you being in sosua. boca chica is always a wild card. you never know what you are going to get. never the less being able to do something dumb and laugh at yourself is a nice thing.

[quotet up with my wing and his novia and down stairs for more drinks.

my girls leaves around 9 pm and i go to dinner with my wing and his novia. we eat, drink, talk, drink, rest, drink and drink some more. around 11:30 my wing decides to call it a night. there is a live latina band playing music outside so i stay outside and listen. nice music, nice night and i'm loving it. the band takes a break and i decide to go lay down in the beach chairs that are still on the property but on the sand. the beach is near and i can see several people from time to time walking on the beach. there are a bunch of palm like trees on the beach and every now and then i can see girls peaking around the trees and trying to get my attention. the little chicas are advancing as though this is a game a laser tag. each time they get about two trees from my chair, a guard would see them, tell them to leave, and they would rep001terer like roaches when the lights come on. i thought this was kinda comical.

[Member #4480]

To this day I have never heard anyone say anything good about Boca Chica.This is no surprise. If there were any Italians on this board you'd see more balanced reporting. BC has its challenges but if you're an ounce streetwise, it's a walk in the park. One of the best 3-somes I ever had was in BC as well as some very memorable individual encounters. The proximity to the capital cannot be overlooked either.

[OldKool]

my italian bros have no conscious. laying on the beach with questionably legal haitian girls is the stuff of legions. nice size beer belly, speedo trunks and a large beverage. no shame in their game. i have visited boca chica three time but never hooked up. the place always seemed to be shady. you make very god points. if sosua was not their we would run to boca chica.


this is no surprise. if there were any italians on this board you'd see more balanced reporting. bc has its challenges but if you're an ounce streetwise, it's a walk in the park. one of the best 3-somes i ever had was in bc as well as some very memorable individual encounters. the proximity to the capital cannot be overlooked either.

[Mr Enternational]

to this day i have never heard anyone say anything good about boca chica. taken from c r t and posted by koolaidkid: we are out here in the open and i'm not sure what would happen if were caught. the second girl is trying to convince me that everything is ok and she is trying to take my shorts off. the first girl is still sitting in the chair and she continues to deliver a good bj.

all of a sudden, the girl that is behind me flo-jo's down the beach at olympic speed. it takes me afew seconds to realize that she took my money and was off to the races. i grabbed the girl that was left by the hair and said, your friend took my money. i said bisch you want to die. she says no no papi no es mi culpa! she then does two quick backward rolls and hops to her feet. she also ran full speed down the beach. i stood there for about a minute before i began laughing my azz off. all in all the girls made away with about $51 and i got to tell a good story.

morel of the story, don't be drunk, alone, and stupid on the beaches of boca chica after 12:00 amit would have made for an even better story if all he had was $5 in his pocket.

[OldKool]

Let's change the script just a bit. Say you have your licence credit cards in the wallet and $400. All of sudden you are choking the one you have because this more serious. She reaches in her purse and pulls that knife she has. Just saying changing a few details can really flip a script. It was good that he had a good attitude. Their are some guys who would lose it over $50 bucks trust me. Which could lead to a very bad ending. There should be course on handling rip offs. Sav you handled your self well except the drunk part lol.


It would have made for an even better story if all he had was $5 in his pocket.

[SavePros321]

Sav you handled your self well except the drunk part lol.Kool, I have never been to Boca Chica in my life. Read the post again and you will see that I posted someone else's post from another forum.

[Blk Big Bootyluv]

PC / Bavaro is really nice and high-in although locals come in the AI by the dozens for $30 USD a day. The catch is that they are not to spend the night. Which is awesome if you only live a short drive from the resort.

The downside to this privilege is that the overall service suffers for foreigners. To explain, those of us that may pay a 1k or more for a week get treated as strangers by staff and the locals that have made friends with the staff get better service.

I think this a natural response to familiarity, human nature. Although I strongly believe the management should address it I doubt tht they will.

Now to the chicas. I had a local from STI last night for Road 2500 on the resort. Nothing special I did it more out of curiosity and convenience than anything. This after crusing the local barrio and meeting a non-pro on the side of the road and getting half and half for RD500. This was even shocking for me.

One cave at for venturing off the resort and dealing with locals, the AI wristband is like walking around like a hip-hop artist will all his gold chains on at the same time I mean at the same damn time.

Girl are plentiful and easy as pie to get if your Spanish is good. AI's are awesome. Even the locals nonpros are obtainable especially if your 'Latino".

Peace,

BBL

[Mr Gogo]

The merengue festival last night on the male con. August 2 2013

[SavePros321]

I drove around Santiago, POP, SD, Sosua. Driving on the highway was uneventful. But in the cities and barrios it was a day and nightmare. Cars, buses, trucks, motos (especially taxis) cut you off, take up 2 lanes to keep people from passing. People drive too fast, too damn slow, or too close. How I made it back to the fly by night car rental place in Santiago without a dent or a scratch is a feat in of itself.
I rented a car for a week In SD. It was one of the riskiest things I have done. The traffic was crazy. Everytime I reached my destination I said a prayer.I know some of our Senior Mongers have been driving in the DR for years, but I still don't see how you guys do it, LOL:

Dominican Driving Compilation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET2wSrszeDo

[Mr Enternational]

PC / Bavaro is really nice and high-in although locals come in the AI by the dozens for $30 USD a day. The catch is that they are not to spend the night. Which is awesome if you only live a short drive from the resort.Thanks for that recon. That is great news since I was thinking about taking my girl to one of those resorts. I guess we can just do the daytime thing on the cheap.


the AI wristband is like walking around like a hip-hop artist will all his gold chains on at the same time I mean at the same damn time.At the same damn time? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBb4ZZY2W80

[Mr Gogo]

I know some of our Senior Mongers have been driving in the DR for years, but I still don't see how you guys do it, LOL:

Dominican Driving Compilation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET2wSrszeDoYou learn with experience. I don't drive on the north coast at night, to many problems with that. Pot holes you can't see, isolated spots where you are a target if you have a flat tire or accident, no lights on the road, drunk drivers. One time Mr E wanted to use my car late at night to go somewhere. It hurt me but I had to tell him"no", I didn't want it on my conscious if something bad happened to him.

Funny story; One of Mr Es girls picked us up in Sosua to go to Cabarette. She said she was a driving instructor (I almost busted out laughing) , who goes and gets driving lessons in the DR? The funny part is that she couldn't drive. We had to tell her to put her lights on and she would brake for shadows. But she had some big titts so all was forgiven.

[Mr Enternational]

I know some of our Senior Mongers have been driving in the DR for years, but I still don't see how you guys do it, LOL:You learn to adapt."That sign doesn't REALLY mean it's a one-way street. It just makes for good decoration in the neighborhood."

After my girl's sister almost died in an accident in June, we went over the importance of wearing a seat belt. So a couple of weeks ago when I was there, me, her and her two sons get into the car. The youngest one gets in the front with her. I tell her hell no. He has to get in the back and we have to use seat belts remember. He gets in the back, but she doesn't make them put on seat belts. She said it is only a short drive to her friend's house, and they can put them on when her friend gets into the car. I tell her that an accident doesn't care how short the drive is.

We get to the friend's house (a HOT friend might I add. Before we left the crib to go over there my girl was telling me that her friend just got divorced. I said, what does that matter to me (thinking ain't like I will be able to fuck her.) And her sister said the same thing and was probably thinking ain't like he is going to be able to fuck her.) And come to find out the friend has 2 daughters. So now we are driving to the beach, me and my girl in the front with seat belts on, and FIVE freaking people in the back seat without seat belts on. This shit is impossible.

[SavePros321]

You learn to adapt."That sign doesn't REALLY mean it's a one-way street. It just makes for good decoration in the neighborhood."That's crazy, LOL. And did you see those motos coming down that ramp into oncoming traffic?

[SavePros321]

You learn with experience. I don't drive on the north coast at night, to many problems with that. Pot holes you can't see, isolated spots where you are a target if you have a flat tire or accident, no lights on the road, drunk drivers. One time Mr E wanted to use my car late at night to go somewhere. It hurt me but I had to tell him"no", I didn't want it on my conscious if something bad happened to him.

Funny story; One of Mr Es girls picked us up in Sosua to go to Cabarette. She said she was a driving instructor (I almost busted out laughing) , who goes and gets driving lessons in the DR? The funny part is that she couldn't drive. We had to tell her to put her lights on and she would brake for shadows. But she had some big titts so all was forgiven.LMAO. Thanks for sharing that experience. I've been on that road from Sosua to Puerto Plata a few times before, but it was in a taxi. It was my first time in the DR staying at Blackbeards and we had gone down to Sosua two nights in a row and brought chicas back to Blackbeards.

[Wrx2005]

LMAO. Thanks for sharing that experience. I've been on that road from Sosua to Puerto Plata a few times before, but it was in a taxi. It was my first time in the DR staying at Blackbeards and we had gone down to Sosua two nights in a row and brought chicas back to Blackbeards.I have driven that stretch between Sosua & Puerto Plata so often in the last 4 months, I think I know almost every inch of that road. I've also driven between Sosua & Santiago at least 4 times last month. I think I know where every curve and pothole is on that road as well. It's amazing seeing how drivers go about getting through an intersection where the traffic signal is not working. The mentality seems to be, establish position and bogard your way through, dominate. Dare any car to hit you. The only thing stopping a collision oft times, is drivers not wanting their own vehicle to get hit (and possibly the hassle of wasting time arguing over who was at fault ).

I think growing up in NYC prepared me for DR driving somewhat, way before I had my 1st driving experience back in 2008. I drove for 10 days all over the DR (east, north, south & west ). The problem though. Most drivers from their own countries are used to rules of the road being followed or enforced. Right of way, driver courtesy, is standard driver behavior. But in the DR those concepts apply irregularly. We are used to structure, it doesn't seem they care about that or practice that enough. Thats why no matter how much skill you have, driving in the DR is not recommended. I noticed many pedestrians expect to be cut off by vehicles. Yielding for pedestrians doesn't seem to be enforced or practiced consistently either. Sometimes, when I stopped or yielded for pedestrians crossing the street, they looked back at me with a bewildered look on their faces. As if to say."WTF just happened, how come he didn't try to mow me down for being in his way?"

[GrownMan1]

I've had better manicure / pedicures in the DR as well, including the beach.

I was able to deal with the bad pedicure. And it's true I don't want a GF with the woman. Her and I both are clear that she is a working woman in Sosua. So there is no mistake in assuming we are working towards something real. But it was the chicas knee jerk attitude towards the salon lady and then towards me that lead to her not getting any more money.

A chica tearing up money may not be unusual behavior for many, but I think it's stupid for her to do that. To get upset over a pedicure not done right or taking too long is even more stupid. If she would have kept her cool, she would have got the money I intended to give her when it was time to leave. You are correct that we are wrong for each other. She's the type that can have a situation escalate to where the poilce may need to be called. I don't need that. The juice is good, but there is much more headache free juice around.That chica scares me! She wanted to be spoil and she knows you like her. She gives you her bad attitude, tears up the money you give her- to gamble on the fact- that she can make you think- its not about the money. Somewhere during your fuck she saw a weakness. She said to her selfish ass "I got him", now press forward this payday hard. You must admit- you took a lot of her shit. Gave her 1300 change, took her out to eat 1700 and bought food groceries for the family. (You didn't say the price on that). On top of all that you had more Money set aside for her! She called you "stupid" like she was the boss and had you on her payrole. To call a grown man Stupid to his faces! That can only come after fucking the shit out of him and thinking he dumbfounded for you. I am glad it was just a good nut she saw and not cupid's arrows. I thought she had you. She thinks she does.that's why she keeps coming at you. Though you keep in contact with her. Good for you for staying strong and reading her. Correctly.

[GrownMan1]

Let it be known that Banco Leon, which used to be free, is now charging 120 pesos for a withdrawal. And the 2000 peso limit per withdrawal is still in effect. The only place in the country that I know of now that it is free to take out money is the Boca Chica branch of Ban Reservas. I didn't get a chance to try that one out this time so maybe they have even started to charge. The day has come when it is just better to bring cash to exchange.Ban Reservas in BC never works for me. It charged my roommate. I go to the Atm on the far west in of avenida Espana near terminal la esso. The Atm closest to the gas station has never charged me (I have used it 4 times) and it lets me get up to 4000 peso out in 1 transaction. I go SD next week and I will get to the name of the gas station.

[GrownMan1]

Now the problem with this plan is an alternate plan called and texted me this morning. She lives in pop. She is almost forbidden fruit. She is the girlfriend of the 28 yr old pop. Chica I was kicking it with April, May, June. Met the GF at the birthday dinner pop cooked for me in April.

I contacted her on facebook and she has been talking to me since June. Pop doesn't know that I'm talking to her regularly on whatsapp. The Gf is closer to 40. Now mind you, even though I expected her to be more mature, she still isn't any different than any of these young chicas in terms of trying to a dude to feel. Sympathy for their financial problems.

Her story has been she needs to make more money. She has an opp to work on a cruise ship. Her ongoing complaint in conversation is how she has to get papers necessary for the interview. Then it was the expense involved, then later it cost 5000 pesos, after that she needs a loan, and then back she still hasnt got these papers. The way this shit is going, she missed the so called interview in 2 separate weeks while working her tale of woe. All I did was play the sympathetic role...Man you scared me! I am so glad things didn't workout for you with her. I was asking myself- why is he dealing with this girl. Thinking back of the TV show "Lost in Space" I am yelling "danger Will Robertson Danger Danger"! I am so glad you came prepared with back up plans. You must have been really digging her. I would had ran after the 5000 peso. (So I say) The sympathetic role kept you in the game, but she just bought more time consuming pain. Good fumble recovery!

[GrownMan1]

I don't know where you got that from that PA is frowned upon in normal DR culture, but you are wrong. People generally don't walk around kissing on the lips every time they meet someone. Hugging and kissing on the cheek is very common in the dr. Unless you have some foreign idea of what PA is, that is also an example of it. You going to say that is not the norm in DR culture? I see more kissing and hugging in the DR than I see in the states. The situation I'm talking about aint like your wing man meeting a chica for the 1st time. I didn't just meet the woman. I already had her in bed before.

I know you mean well giving an arm chair analysis, but you don't know any history between us. You don't know enough particulars to draw a precise opinion about this particular chica. The chica avoided lip to lip contact for a reason, not because PA is frowned upon in normal DR culture. My approach was a test. And she failed. I won't waste my time or pesos on that. Meanwhile, the bar girl in Sosua more than made up for the decision I made to leave POP alone. Oh yeah, when I parted with her she kissed me on the lips. She didn't point to her cheek for me to kiss. That kiss said I want to have a good time with you again and enjoy the pay off afterwards. The POP chica was just interested in getting those pesos. Chances are she would have been boring to be with in Cabarete. Got to read the signs buddy. Chicas body language is important to pay attention to.Wait a minute is this the friend in POP that you have been conversing with her older friend. If not I stand corrected. If so. You think they been talking. That would make since of the 360 attitude.

[GrownMan1]

I rented a car for a week In SD. It was one of the riskiest things I have done. The traffic was crazy. Everytime I reached my destination I said a prayer. In sd cabs can get you where you need to be. In Sosua you do not need a car. The buses can get you to any city in the country for a few bucks. Having your car is nice but if you ever make a mistake the cost could kill you.

Nd Santiago, POP, SD, Sosua. Driving on the highway was uneventful. But in the cities and barrios it was a day and nightmare. Cars, buses, trucks, motos (especially taxis) cut you off, take up 2 lanes to keep people from passing. People drive too fast, too damn slow, or too close. How I made it back to the fly by night car rental place in Santiago without a dent or a scratch is a feat in of itself. I paid $30 a day for 12 days. I don't think I will take that chance again renting a car with a fly by night car rental in sti. If I had an accident, that $30 a day would have turned into thousands. I don't know what insurance coverage I had, if any. I did hook up with 2 taxi guys. So I will use them while staying in sti. I paid one of those taxis, $20 from STI airport to Alberto Suites. I have yet to take the metro or caribe tours, but in my upcoming August vacation, I will, after an overnight stay in Santiago.I know its been said before, but if you use your visa to rent your car, most visas have automatic coverage for the driver in case of an accident. When my bank said I was covered with my visa- I when back up the Hertz and drop their extra $33 dollar for coverage. They were trying to convince me not too.

[GrownMan1]

My impressions of Santiago is incomplete. I didn't get a chance to see what kind of nightlife there was. Like going to Pure disco near the Matum hotel. I did go to the Ahi Bar and there were quite a few nice looking women, but it did not see or create any opportunities for myself. I think speaking spanish would have been necessary. I did not connect with all of the Dom cupid chicas I had connected with. I had phone numbers but only acted on a few. I think they might be open to meeting if I contact them in August. There were some DC connections in SD, and I missed those opps too...Love this report!

[GrownMan1]

You learn to adapt."That sign doesn't REALLY mean it's a one-way street. It just makes for good decoration in the neighborhood."

After my girl's sister almost died in an accident in June, we went over the importance of wearing a seat belt. So a couple of weeks ago when I was there, me, her and her two sons get into the car. The youngest one gets in the front with her. I tell her hell no. He has to get in the back and we have to use seat belts remember. He gets in the back, but she doesn't make them put on seat belts. She said it is only a short drive to her friend's house, and they can put them on when her friend gets into the car. I tell her that an accident doesn't care how short the drive is.

We get to the friend's house (a HOT friend might I add. Before we left the crib to go over there my girl was telling me that her friend just got divorced. I said, what does that matter to me (thinking ain't like I will be able to fuck her.) And her sister said the same thing and was probably thinking ain't like he is going to be able to fuck her.) And come to find out the friend has 2 daughters. So now we are driving to the beach, me and my girl in the front with seat belts on, and FIVE freaking people in the back seat without seat belts on. This shit is impossible.Mr Enternational I got mad respect for yall but, I blame the driver! Compromising the little ones safety to please the pussy. LOL

[GrownMan1]

a girl i met a chica in b. c. and she is on my facebook. she and i were talking the normal como estas stuff and after a 5 minute break this came up.

10:55am.

her- i love your weight in 1500 can send to me with one main grape is one treatment that necesito for quiter vajinar that i have.

10:57am.

me- no entiendo lo que está diciendo.

10:58am.

her- fue es ki vocao el mensaje.sorry.

10:58am.

me- was sorry message is vocao.

10:59am.

me- que vocao.

11:00am.

her- i say excuse me that the message was not for you.

11:01am.

me- ok.

clearly this message was for someone else, however, for entertainment purposes, i can't figure out what she was saying to the another guy.

[Drai]

An ABC news "expose" on Boca Chica. One female reporter's vacation nightmare is another man's vacation dream I suppose.

Vacation Nightmare: Sun, Sand, Prostitutes?

http://news.yahoo.com/video/vacation-nightmare-sun-sand-prostitutes-063959205.html

[Manny51]

I have driven that stretch between Sosua & Puerto Plata so often in the last 4 months, I think I know almost every inch of that road. I've also driven between Sosua & Santiago at least 4 times last month. I think I know where every curve and pothole is on that road as well. It's amazing seeing how drivers go about getting through an intersection where the traffic signal is not working. The mentality seems to be, establish position and bogard your way through, dominate. Dare any car to hit you. The only thing stopping a collision oft times, is drivers not wanting their own vehicle to get hit (and possibly the hassle of wasting time arguing over who was at fault ).

I think growing up in NYC prepared me for DR driving somewhat, way before I had my 1st driving experience back in 2008. I drove for 10 days all over the DR (east, north, south & west ). The problem though. Most drivers from their own countries are used to rules of the road being followed or enforced. Right of way, driver courtesy, is standard driver behavior. But in the DR those concepts apply irregularly. We are used to structure, it doesn't seem they care about that or practice that enough. Thats why no matter how much skill you have, driving in the DR is not recommended. I noticed many pedestrians expect to be cut off by vehicles. Yielding for pedestrians doesn't seem to be enforced or practiced consistently either. Sometimes, when I stopped or yielded for pedestrians crossing the street, they looked back at me with a bewildered look on their faces. As if to say."WTF just happened, how come he didn't try to mow me down for being in his way?"Agree with everything you said her, except perhaps in extent and final conclusion. I normally like to take taxi or public transportation wherever I go whenever possible, but its just not practical in the DR. There just isn't enough public transport infrastructure to make travelling between towns practical. Its doable, but not really practical. I think that if you are accustomed to driving in busy metropolitan areas in the US, then you are still probably ok if you are aware of the dangers and just assume that everyone else is crazy. Of course they all aren't, but enough of them are.

[Sabor]

Check it out Mr. G We had some good times in this joint!

[SavePros321]

An ABC news "expose" on Boca Chica. One female reporter's vacation nightmare is another man's vacation dream I suppose.

Vacation Nightmare: Sun, Sand, Prostitutes?

http://news.yahoo.com/video/vacation-nightmare-sun-sand-prostitutes-063959205.htmlDamn, why are they all ways fucking with people? Why can't they leave well enough alone? The stupid broad reporter even stated in the video that prostitution is legal in the Dominican Republic. So why did she bring her big-head ass down there in the first place just to fuck with people minding their own business? I mean, damn, they were literally stalking people with their cameras.

I'm glad their asses got ripped-off with their hotel rooms!

And did you see the forehead on this reporter? I don't think she has to worry about anyone trying to fuck with her because she looks like she could head-butt the shit out of somebody.

[Charles Pooter]

a girl i met a chica in b. c. and she is on my facebook. she and i were talking the normal como estas stuff and after a 5 minute break this came up.

10:55am.

her- i love your weight in 1500 can send to me with one main grape is one treatment that necesito for quiter vajinar that i have.

10:57am.

me- no entiendo lo que está diciendo.

10:58am.

her- fue es ki vocao el mensaje. sorry.

10:58am.

me- was sorry message is vocao.

10:59am.

me- que vocao.

11:00am.

her- i say excuse me that the message was not for you.

11:01am.

me- ok.

clearly this message was for someone else, however, for entertainment purposes, i can't figure out what she was saying to the another guy.this is a very rare type of message. you are lucky to have had a glimpse of one.

she wants the recipient to send her money.

amount needed: 1500 pesos.

purpose: to buy medicine to treat her vagina.

[Manny51]

Damn, why are they all ways fucking with people? Why can't they leave well enough alone? The stupid broad reporter even stated in the video that prostitution is legal in the Dominican Republic. So why did she bring her big-head ass down there in the first place just to fuck with people minding their own business? I mean, damn, they were literally stalking people with their cameras.

I'm glad their asses got ripped-off with their hotel rooms!

And did you see the forehead on this reporter? I don't think she has to worry about anyone trying to fuck with her because she looks like she could head-butt the shit out of somebody.Agree that this is stupid. At first I thought that she and her crew were idiots and clueless. What, they didn't do any research about Boca Chica before they went on assignment? That's when it hit me. They did. Clips of prostitution gets ratings.

[GrownMan1]

This is a very rare type of message. You are lucky to have had a glimpse of one.

She wants the recipient to send her money.

Amount needed: 1500 pesos.

Purpose: to buy medicine to treat her vagina.Damn! Ty Charles Pooter! She was go my to do list. Ty ty ty.

[Wrx2005]

Wait a minute is this the friend in POP that you have been conversing with her older friend. If not I stand corrected. If so. You think they been talking. That would make since of the 360 attitude.Yes it is the same chica. Have her and her older friend been talking? That is difficult to say. The older one insisted that I keep what she was saying about her younger friend a secret. Especially that her and I have been communicating.

The reason the older chica was telling me negative things about her friend, is because she wanted me to think that she was in my corner. Hoping that would result in a payday from all the damn hints and bricks she was throwing at me concerning her alleged needs. At no moment did I buy any of it, but I thought I could score some of that juice. I don't know what happened that day when she failed to keep our lunch date? I never called the younger one until immediately after my lunch date was derailed with the older one. And as I recall, the older chica called me that morning while I was in Santiago. So she is the the one who initiated our lunch date. Thats why it's so strange.

The only thing I can think of, is one talked to the other, and my name came up. And that could have spooked the older chica. My other theory is. She was "working" on some other cat, and just didn't know how to cancel or re schedule. So she did the ostrich move. Whatever the reason, my plan B, which wasnt a plan at all worked out great.

[Wrx2005]

That chica scares me! She wanted to be spoil and she knows you like her. She gives you her bad attitude, tears up the money you give her- to gamble on the fact- that she can make you think- its not about the money. Somewhere during your fuck she saw a weakness. She said to her selfish ass "I got him", now press forward this payday hard. You must admit- you took a lot of her shit. Gave her 1300 change, took her out to eat 1700 and bought food groceries for the family. (You didn't say the price on that). On top of all that you had more Money set aside for her! She called you "stupid" like she was the boss and had you on her payrole. To call a grown man Stupid to his faces! That can only come after fucking the shit out of him and thinking he dumbfounded for you. I am glad it was just a good nut she saw and not cupid's arrows. I thought she had you. She thinks she does.that's why she keeps coming at you. Though you keep in contact with her. Good for you for staying strong and reading her. Correctly.For the most part I have been keeping details short. But I have known this chica a couple of years. IMO she is bi-polar. And anytime she gets into one of her little moods or says something fucked up, it's just to get attention. Ordinarily, your conclusion would be correct. A woman acting like that fits the profile of a woman who thinks she is in control because she sees the man enjoying himself with her body. I don't rule that out completely. But her problem is simply she has some character flaws that cause her to behave that way with people.

I have seen her catch an attitude with waitresses the times we ate together. She went off on the security guy at Sosua Suites. And he is the guy that introduced us. He said she was loca. After saying all of that. One question still remains. Why deal with a chica like that. The answer is simple? Because I can. Because in sex I get what I pay for. My buddy and I have a saying. Since this is not a normal relationship. The idea is to use them for what they are there for. One need not worry about how it makes them look dealing with a disrespectful chica. It don't matter as long as I know my limitations of what to expect in what I'm doing.

I have a story to share about her. Since the incident, she has since started acting like she has some sense. However, on 8/13 while I was home she texted me to tell me she has been in the bed for 3 weeks after an operation on her right leg. She said she couldn't and can't walk. And that she will be in bed another week. I told her I was sorry about her troubles. She may have been trying to get me to feel sorry for her and send money. And quite possibly I wasnt the only dude she sent the same message to.

Anyway, I never told her when I was coming back to the DR. But my flight was 8/15 two days later. Flew into Santiago again. This time did not bother with her for obvious reasons. However on Saturday afternoon while leaving Sosua playa, me and my buddy are walking along, and I spot her cat eyes looking over the shoulder of this big guy. When I got along side of them, there she was plain as day. You should have seen the look on her face, and how her body slumped in her chair as if she wanted to get beamed up by Scotty or teleported like the Matrix. The dude suspected something was up, but didn't know what to do or say, because I only looked briefly and kept it moving.

As we continued to walk, of course I was laughing my ass off, she comes up behind me to yak. Basically she wanted to know if I wanted to see her. She had a bandana type scarf on her leg. I thought she was faking, by covering up the so-called surgery. Later I found out she really did have a problem. She just exaggerated the can't walk part and being in bed for 3 weeks and needing another week in bed.

We part ways and make it to the parking lot. Meet King Kong there, and sat down for a while. All of a sudden here comes blondie again (oh yeah her hair is completely black with extra hair. Who paid for it, who knows. Maybe the big dude did ). Leaving the playa with the big guy. She spots me again, and is clearly embarrassed a second time. This time, the dude she's with starts looking at all of us one at a time. Inside, I'm laughing because she looked so uncomfortable. The dude had a moto parked. In order to leave he had to turn it around 1st before she could get on. Once on, she got on and they left. I can only imagine the vibe and what they talked about on the way to wherever they were going.

What I liked about those two scenes. Usually we all suspect many of these chicas are lying their asses off about something. Much of it is hard to verify, and it can easily seem legit. But to actually see one of their lies or deceptions blow up in their face is priceless. For many of these chicas, it seems they think. It aint a lie or a deception until they get caught.

And yes I did see her later that night. No sex, because her leg did have a nasty wound onthe back of her thigh. She had a lot of cream on it. So had to improvise. Her leg may be a problem, which would make fucking difficult. But her boca wasnt broken. Got a good BBBJ w / CIM. Only thing would have made it better is if she swallowed it. However, all in all, no drama or BS out of her. I hardly mentioned much about her lying about not being able to walk. You aint going to get anywhere doing that. They'll just keep giving excuses and more lies.

To me, her being with the dude was just business. For some reason she can't get it in her head to understand that her having other clients is not a problem for me. Maybe after this incident, it might register? In the past she used to try to sell me on the idea that she likes me alot, and that we have something special. LOL She was hoping then (and maybe still thinking it will happen, since she is loca?) that I could be on her WU payroll. Thats what happens when you are juggling too many clients. They can't remember who are their steady marks, from those who are happily paying for their turn.

[Mr Gogo]

Hello folks,

Those that know me know that I have been on a top secret mission for 20 days. I've been without the internet and phone but I'm back to the real world now.

Okay, on October 31 the jazz festival resumes in Puerto Plata. On the next day, a Friday, the jazz festival will move to Sosua for two days. Its part of Sosua's new image as a cultural place. Then Sunday the jazz festival will end at Cabarete beach. Both local and international artists will perform.

Hope to see you there.

[Mr Gogo]

its official now:http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2013/8/21/48697/dominican-government-declares-war-on-prostitute-traffickers.

we have had a good run for many years in our game so now it appears that it is "adjustment time". in some ways we need this because the game had gotten dirty and needed a wash. brazil, asia, dominican republic and most hotspots are adjusting. the tourism officials world wide don't want sex destinations pushing vacationing families out.

i was telling brother p yesterday that the guys who haven't cultivated other spots will be fucked. personally i need the slowdown. i used to fly into pop in 2007 for 275 rt. now its 660 rt. i used to get girls for 2000p for my whole vacation, now thats for st. flights to asia cost 1100usd in 2008 now its 2200usd. the girls are hardcore now, not many gfe as before. luckily i've been very fortunate. some guys will still press the issue visiting old hot spots but remember that you could now be a target. the guy at customs told me" mr gogo we got to pull you because you are a single traveler to the dr and colombia". he said either its for pussy or drugs. in other words the crackdown is coming from all angles. international agencies looking for pediphiles and drug couriers. pimps exporting girls. guys with streetwalkers late at night, and **** prostitution. i hope you guys have improved your spanish and made connections then you can survive this.

[Frannie]

some guys will still press the issue visiting old hot spots but remember that you could now be a target. the guy at customs told me" mr gogo we got to pull you because you are a single traveler to the dr and colombia". he said either its for pussy or drugs. in other words the crackdown is coming from all angles. international agencies looking for pediphiles and drug couriers. pimps exporting girls. guys with streetwalkers late at night, and **** prostitution. i hope you guys have improved your spanish and made connections then you can survive this.this is basically right. it isn't to say that you can't still have lots of sex and fun in the dr, but it is probably better to be discreet, not travel in groups, dress appropriately when traveling, and have a good cover story. remember that if you travel to the dr a lot you might look like a monger to your friends, but you could just as easily be a missionary, or a businessman or perhaps your parent has a retirement home in the dr, or you have a vacation home there, and no one can really know for sure, depending on how you present yourself. try not to put videos on the internet presenting yourself as dominican dave, or sosua sam, and you will probably be ok.

[Abr Mainline]

This my help put some light on why customs may have pulled Mr. Gogo aside?

There is more to the story, but then I will be outing myself on what I do for a living.

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/story/23095398/feds-say-us-airways-baggage-handler-nabbed-in-philly-cocaine-smuggling-operation

This was a direct flight from Philly to SDQ happen about 2-3 weeks ago.

Just my thoughts enjoy by Abr Mainline.

[Brother P]

This is basically right. It isn't to say that you can't still have lots of sex and fun in the DR, but it is probably better to be discreet, not travel in groups, dress appropriately when traveling, and have a good cover story. Remember that if you travel to the DR a lot you might look like a monger to your friends, but you could just as easily be a missionary, or a businessman or perhaps your parent has a retirement home in the DR, or you have a vacation home there, and no one can really know for sure, depending on how you present yourself. Try not to put videos on the Internet presenting yourself as Dominican Dave, or Sosua Sam, and you will probably be OK.I usually wear jeans or pants in SD to blend in better. Not that it works, when they hear my spanish they know I'm a gringo. In Sosua I wear shorts, in PP shorts during the day, jeans at night. I'd just like to know what you consider appropriate dress. Thanks!

[Frannie]

I usually wear jeans or pants in SD to blend in better. Not that it works, when they hear my spanish they know I'm a gringo. In Sosua I wear shorts, in PP shorts during the day, jeans at night. I'd just like to know what you consider appropriate dress. Thanks!I don't think it matters if they know you are a gringo, but can they tell if you are a gringo living locally or a tourist? In hot weather shorts are a plus for coolness in beach towns like Sosua or PP, though you cannot wear them if you are going into any kind of government office. Jeans seems odd to me for evening wear. I would wear slacks, belt, plain shirt. No flip flops. To me appropriate dress means that no one notices what you are wearing, no visible tattoos, no silly jewelry or headgear. I would wear casual evening attire for travel.

The obvious answer would be to wear the same kind of clothes that are found in the local stores.

[Mr Gogo]

My tribute to 4 Roses for all the good times. I haven't seen these girls in years but they were my favorites, hope they are well. From the Gogo vault.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeItkxxJ4LI&feature=youtu.be

[Frannie]

I don't think it matters if they know you are a gringo, but can they tell if you are a gringo living locally or a tourist?I remember reading somewhere here that someone reported they were leaving the states and the TSA personnel were saying things to them like "remember to strap up, guys" (a slang expression meaning to wear condoms or a dildo.)

TSA personnel are federal employees, and they are playing with fire if they make assumptions about travelers that turn out to be wrong and derogatory. You have to wonder why the TSA personnel felt they could safely take this liberty, when they might be speaking to a missionary, or a US diplomat for all they knew.

Even in Sosua, you cannot be really sure that everyone you see is a monger. Sure, it is quite likely, but that older man you see sitting in a restaurant with a hot young babe may actually be with his wife, and maybe they have children in local schools, and attend local churches, so you can never really be sure of his status, nor he of yours unless you reveal information about yourself.

Travel to the DR for a sex vacation is entirely legal, but things can change and you never know when something might come back to bit you on the bum if you are too careless or indiscreet about your private life. When the clampdown was starting a couple of months back, I said in a post here that I would not be surprised to see Passions a target for law enforcement action. If I could see that without any special information, then so could anyone, but did the owner of the club skip the country while the going was good? No, but I bet he now wishes he had done so. Since you don't know what the future will bring, it is best to be discreet now.

[TomJackin]

My tribute to 4 Roses for all the good times. I haven't seen these girls in years but they were my favorites, hope they are well. From the Gogo vault.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeItkxxJ4LI&feature=youtu.beFour roses is open for business.

[Mr Gogo]

Four roses is open for business.They must have just been waiting for Tomjackin, aka the walking party to arrive.

[Shamester]

Four roses is open for business.Where is it located?

[SavePros321]

Its official.

http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2013/8/21/48697/Dominican-Government-declares-war-on-prostitute-traffickers

We have had a good run for many years in our game so now it appears that it is "adjustment time". In some ways we need this because the game had gotten dirty and needed a wash. Brazil, Asia, Dominican Republic and most hotspots are adjusting. The tourism officials world wide don't want sex destinations pushing vacationing families out.I don't think this article refers to what guys are doing in Sosua. It says they are going to crack down on places like Passions:

"He said in Sosua, Puerto Plata the authorities have shuttered businesses which semi-enslaved and prostituted women, including Haitians working out of hovels."

Rumbas, D'Latins, and even Blackbeard's are all freelance spots. You give your money directly to the chicas and not to the house. I've heard that Blackbeard's fines chicas for not showing up to work on their day to work, so I do not know how that factors into this equation (if it does at all).

They are also going after those guys who trick Dominicanas into going to other countries and then holding their passports hostage and make them prostitute until they pay back some imaged fee that is created. This is actually good news and I hope the scum bags who are involved in this are strung up by their testicles.

But they article does not imply that they are going after guys coming to the DR for sex with legal-aged chicas.

[SavePros321]

This my help put some light on why customs may have pulled Mr. Gogo aside?

There is more to the story, but then I will be outing myself on what I do for a living.

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/story/23095398/feds-say-us-airways-baggage-handler-nabbed-in-philly-cocaine-smuggling-operation

This was a direct flight from Philly to SDQ happen about 2-3 weeks ago.
Hello folks,

Those that know me know that I have been on a top secret mission for 20 days. I've been without the internet and phone but I'm back to the real world now.It all makes sense now! :D

[Mr Enternational]

I remember reading somewhere here that someone reported they were leaving the states and the TSA personnel were saying things to them like "remember to strap up, guys" (a slang expression meaning to wear condoms or a dildo.)

TSA personnel are federal employees, and they are playing with fire if they make assumptions about travelers that turn out to be wrong and derogatory. You have to wonder why the TSA personnel felt they could safely take this liberty, when they might be speaking to a missionary, or a US diplomat for all they knew.Mongers know their own people. I think the guy was making the statement in the capacity of being a monger and not of being a TSA agent. You may be forgetting that TSA is just security and has nothing to do with your reason for travel. They are only there to make sure you are not carrying items that are forbidden to be taken into the plane's cabin from outside of the airport. The guy was probably counting the days until his next trip to DR.

[Frannie]

Mongers know their own people. I think the guy was making the statement in the capacity of being a monger and not of being a TSA agent. You may be forgetting that TSA is just security and has nothing to do with your reason for travel. They are only there to make sure you are not carrying items that are forbidden to be taken into the plane's cabin from outside of the airport. The guy was probably counting the days until his next trip to DR.You are probably right, but my point remains that it is best on your travels to present your outward image in such a manner that government employees would think it risky to say anything that might be taken as disrespectful. The above scenario could only have occurred if the tourist concerned looked like a monger, whatever that means.

[Orgasmico]

The girls are hardcore now, not many GFE as before.I'm glad I got to experience Sosua when I did. Just like sex before the AIDS epidemic, Times Square before Giuliani, baseball before steroids, and so on. You make the adjustment and try to enjoy what's left. Those that have seen Sosua grow over the last ten years and morph into what it has become now will still always have sentiment for the Pasions Hut, Clasicos, Frank's place in POP, etc.

Short timers, bottle poppers, spy camers, shake downers, and so on won't ever stop me from enjoying my vacation.

[Mr Gogo]

I'm glad I got to experience Sosua when I did. Just like sex before the AIDS epidemic, Times Square before Giuliani, baseball before steroids, and so on. You make the adjustment and try to enjoy what's left. Those that have seen Sosua grow over the last ten years and morph into what it has become now will still always have sentiment for the Pasions Hut, Clasicos, Frank's place in POP, etc.

Short timers, bottle poppers, spy camers, shake downers, and so on won't ever stop me from enjoying my vacation.I tend to be less active these days, now I'm just a spectator. I really miss the good old days. You could do things then that I would never do now. Back in the old days after being with a girl for a few days and getting to know the family and becoming a boyfriend, bare backing became an option. Never caught anything. Now with these girls pulling three tricks a day in your face, condom is mandatory even for BJ. Its just adjustment time in our sport. I'm content with whats happening now but the last 7 years have been the best of my life.

[OldKool]

You get what you pay for. Many of the mongers are young guys who are looking for numbers. Read the forums guys show very little respect for the girls. To them the girls are bitches and working girls. They have no desire to know or care about them. Consequently, the girls see this treatment and turn their feelings off. There are always fresh new girls rolling in. If you have some game you can find what you are looking for. All you have to do is ask and pay. I think the guys have changed more then the girls. Older guys are more settled and enjoy quality more then numbers. This is not a criticism so much as an observation. I would rather have one great GFE then 3 ok 1 timers.


I'm glad I got to experience Sosua when I did. Just like sex before the AIDS epidemic, Times Square before Giuliani, baseball before steroids, and so on. You make the adjustment and try to enjoy what's left. Those that have seen Sosua grow over the last ten years and morph into what it has become now will still always have sentiment for the Pasions Hut, Clasicos, Frank's place in POP, etc.

Short timers, bottle poppers, spy camers, shake downers, and so on won't ever stop me from enjoying my vacation.

[Wrx2005]

You get what you pay for. Many of the mongers are young guys who are looking for numbers. Read the forums guys show very little respect for the girls. To them the girls are bitches and working girls. They have no desire to know or care about them. Consequently, the girls see this treatment and turn their feelings off. There are always fresh new girls rolling in. If you have some game you can find what you are looking for. All you have to do is ask and pay. I think the guys have changed more then the girls. Older guys are more settled and enjoy quality more then numbers. This is not a criticism so much as an observation. I would rather have one great GFE then 3 ok 1 timers.No you dont get what you pay for. Not all the time or consistently. Both sides are looking for numbers. Can't say I know everything the chicas are saying about guys. But you got it assbackwards. A lot of those chicas deserve little respect (I mean for their behavior, not them as human beings) for how they treat mongers that haven't done jack to them, except hire them. Don't put those chicas behavior all on mongers. Them chicas arent children. They are getting exactly what they put in. Now check what they are doing. Trying to get guys to overpay. Not giving guys what they pay for. Baiting and switching from what was agreed or understood. Lying about having to leave early, and expecting payment. Trying to dupe dudes into believing they care about them, hoping to add them as WU novios. Making up stories to get guys to send them money. They are doing it to guys that haven't done jack to them, except hire them. No. Involving feelings towards chicas can be risky business. You get too close to some of these chicas, thinking you have some sort of special bond, and they will exploit it to the max. Many know how to put on an award winning performance of acting like they like a guy. When all it really is, is them doing their job. Thats why they call it girlfriend experience. It's an experience, not a reality. For many if not most.

You say those mongers have no desire to know or care about them? Well why should they? Them chicas arent doing anything worth getting to know them for. Many of them have boyfriends and husbands, and are using other mongers (some unwittingly) for WU. Why should any monger pretend to want to know someone whose sole focus is getting money, by any deceptive means necessary? Most I've seen and experienced have no social skills. They hardly ever ask questions about a man that a typical woman in the states would ask if she is really interested in getting to know a man. The most you get are the typical questions. Starts off with whats your name, where you from, where's your hotel, when you get here, when you leaving? If you hire them, they may add in. Do you have children, how old, how many, have a GF or wife? And thats it. And yet there is so much more about a man that could be important for a woman to know, and they arent even thinking about going there. You know why? Because they don't really give a shit about any of that. Anything they ask is just routine.

[Havana927]

No you don't get what you pay for. Not all the time or consistently. Both sides are looking for numbers. Can't say I know everything the chicas are saying about guys. But you got it assbackwards. A lot of those chicas deserve little respect (I mean for their behavior, not them as human beings) for how they treat mongers that haven't done jack to them, except hire them. Don't put those chicas behavior all on mongers. Them chicas arent children. They are getting exactly what they put in. Now check what they are doing. Trying to get guys to overpay. Not giving guys what they pay for. Baiting and switching from what was agreed or understood. Lying about having to leave early, and expecting payment. Trying to dupe dudes into believing they care about them, hoping to add them as WU novios. Making up stories to get guys to send them money. They are doing it to guys that haven't done jack to them, except hire them. No. Involving feelings towards chicas can be risky business. You get too close to some of these chicas, thinking you have some sort of special bond, and they will exploit it to the max. Many know how to put on an award winning performance of acting like they like a guy. When all it really is, is them doing their job. Thats why they call it girlfriend experience...I completely agree. Just go and have fun. Once you send them money. They will never stop asking and its a new excuse. Kid is sick. Money for school.

[Wrx2005]

Having game aint nothing more than appealing to the interests of a chica. Whatever that may involve. Commonly it involves their (the chicas) favorable perception of foreigners (or any guy living above the chicas level) living the life they dream and / or wonder about. It may also include acceptance by default, because this guy isn't mistreating them, like they experienced from other men. However, quite often it involves a favorable impression of a guy based on the benefits the women are receiving or have the potential to receive. In other words, game aint nothing more than benefits or perceived benefits, that someone else is attracted to, and hopes to get. It's not necessarily the man himself having game.

For enough women, if all you have left is being a foreigner (or a man that has much to offer) , but there are no benefits to be had or offered, you will see a mans presumption of having game won't get him very far. Unless the woman has very low expectations, is deeply into using men as status symbols, or thinks there is something she'll eventually get if she sticks it out with him. Many men give themselves too much credit for having game, when in reality, the results are mostly dependent on what the woman is attracted to and focused on.

[Mr Enternational]

Why should any monger pretend to want to know someone whose sole focus is getting money, by any deceptive means necessary?I guess because they are young and fucking (albeit would they still be fucking if said monger wasn't giving them money). Something they are not able to get back home. Doesn't really explain why they SHOULD but maybe that explains why they DO. Some guys are really suckers for pussy.
Having game aint nothing more than appealing to the interests of a chica. However, quite often it involves a favorable impression of a guy based on the benefits the women are receiving or have the potential to receive. In other words, game aint nothing more than benefits or perceived benefits, that someone else is attracted to, and hopes to get. It's not necessarily the man himself having game. Many men give themselves too much credit for having game, when in reality, the results are mostly dependent on what the woman is attracted to and focused on.You know your shit. The thing is that most guys are afraid to even approach and talk to a normal woman. And 90% of game is done on the approach. So how can you get her if you don't/can't even talk to her? It's just like choosing a job. You are going to go to Company A because you perceive the pay and benefits to be better than Company B. So Company A has better game. They know how to present everything so that they are the company someone seeking employment wants to go to versus lame ass Company B where you won't receive shit but a paycheck. You never see a woman downgrade when she leaves one man for another. Why would you leave Coca-Cola and go work at a local McDonald's? A guy would though because he doesn't weigh the benefits of each place. All he knows is that he has some new and good pussy. And for us a lot of times our perception is that new is better than tried and true.
Unless the woman has very low expectations, is deeply into using men as status symbols, or thinks there is something she'll eventually get if she sticks it out with him.Reminds me of a girl I was messing with from Germany. She invited me to go to Florida when she was coming. The time came and went. Eventually I saw pictures on her facebook of her in Florida with another guy. I'm like what the fuck happened. I thought I was supposed to meet you in Florida, but you didn't let me know anything. Come to find out, she met some guy who was an aspiring rapper and she was in Florida with him. She gets pregnant by the guy and later finds out he was not all she perceived him to be. He had no money, no job. Now she is stuck with his child and none of the benefits she thought she would have from dealing with him.

The way I met her was on a flight from Paris. She was coming to see a married guy (who was supposedly going to leave his wife..wink wink), but the guy was going to be at work and couldn't pick her up from the airport. So I told her I would give her a ride to her hotel. I knock her down and the guy shows up. The front desk calls the room. I forgot what she said, but the guy went back outside to his car. I left the room and went inside of the business center next to the front desk to act like I was on the computer. When she went out to get him and brought him back to the room I left.

[OldKool]

My last communication with you. You are why some girls are cold. I notice in your reports how often you have conflicts. It is because you are a jerk and have a dispicable personality. I am sure girls can not wait to leave your ass. When girls encounter mf like you they become cold blooded in self defence. You are to thicked headed to figure that out. Being kind to girls who are fucking is not a weakness. Nor is treating them poorly a strength. I have no fear of the young ladies because in truth we have the power in the relationship. There are countless girls waiting for our money. The treatment of bad guys is why there are so many bad chicas. Experienced guys will tell how different the seen is now and it is due the class of guys in the game not the women.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1464329]No you don't get what you pay for. Not all the time or consistently. Both sides are looking for numbers. Can't say I know everything the chicas are saying about guys. But you got it assbackwards. A lot of those chicas deserve little respect (I mean for their behavior, not them as human beings) for how they treat mongers that haven't done jack to them, except hire them. Don't put those chicas behavior all on mongers. Them chicas arent children. They are getting exactly what they put in. Now check what they are doing. Trying to get guys to overpay. Not giving guys what they pay for. Baiting and switching from what was agreed or understood. Lying about having to leave early, and expecting payment. Trying to dupe dudes into believing they care about them, hoping to add them as WU novios. Making up stories to get guys to send them money. They are doing it to guys that haven't done jack to them, except hire them. No. Involving feelings towards chicas can be risky business. You get too close to some of these chicas, thinking you have some sort of special bond, and they will exploit it to the max. Many know how to put on an award winning performance of acting like they like a guy. When all it really is, is them doing their job. Thats why they call it girlfriend experience. It's an experience, not a reality. For many if not most.

You

[Wrx2005]

My last communication with you. You are why some girls are cold. I notice in your reports how often you have conflicts. It is because you are a jerk and have a dispicable personality. I am sure girls can not wait to leave your ass. When girls encounter mf like you they become cold blooded in self defence. You are to thicked headed to figure that out. Being kind to girls who are fucking is not a weakness. Nor is treating them poorly a strength. I have no fear of the young ladies because in truth we have the power in the relationship. There are countless girls waiting for our money. The treatment of bad guys is why there are so many bad chicas. Experienced guys will tell how different the seen is now and it is due the class of guys in the game not the women.Give us some examples of how some women are coldblooded because of me? Show us examples of girls that can't wait to leave me? Show us proof that I don't treat women kind or good? Or show us proof I treat women poorly? You won't be able to do it. You know why? Because you can only think in one head. And right about now. With all that weed you been smoking. You don't have any proof or credibility to say anything about another poster / monger. Let it go.

[OldKool]

The bible says you can not teach a fool because he will only resent you. Thanks guys for your silent support.

[Buscemi]

The bible says you can not teach a fool because he will only resent you. Thanks guys for your silent support.Oh PUHLEASE. Your banging chicas 1/3 your age for RD2000 Pesos and have the balls to make bible references, go preach elsewhere Ganja Boy!

[Wrx2005]

I completely agree. Just go and have fun. Once you send them money. They will never stop asking and its a new excuse. Kid is sick. Money for school.You are aware of how many of these chicas are. Some individuals have blinders on, or a Cap'and Sav A Hoe cape on.

[Wrx2005]

I guess because they are young and fucking (albeit would they still be fucking if said monger wasn't giving them money). Something they are not able to get back home. Doesn't really explain why they SHOULD but maybe that explains why they DO. Some guys are really suckers for pussy. You know your shit. The thing is that most guys are afraid to even approach and talk to a normal woman. And 90% of game is done on the approach. So how can you get her if you don't / can't even talk to her? It's just like choosing a job. You are going to go to Company A because you perceive the pay and benefits to be better than Company B. So Company A has better game. They know how to present everything so that they are the company someone seeking employment wants to go to versus lame ass Company B where you won't receive shit but a paycheck. You never see a woman downgrade when she leaves one man for another. Why would you leave Coca-Cola and go work at a local McDonald's? A guy would though because he doesn't weigh the benefits of each place. All he knows is that he has some new and good pussy. And for us a lot of times our perception is that new is better than tried and true. Reminds me of a girl I was messing with from Germany. She invited me to go to Florida when she was coming. The time came and went. Eventually I saw pictures on her facebook of her in Florida with another guy. I'm like what the fuck happened. I thought I was supposed to meet you in Florida, but you didn't let me know anything. Come to find out, she met some guy who was an aspiring rapper and she was in Florida with him. She gets pregnant by the guy and later finds out he was not all she perceived him to be. He had no money, no job. Now she is stuck with his child and none of the benefits she thought she would have from dealing with him.

The way I met her was on a flight from Paris. She was coming to see a married guy (who was supposedly going to leave his wife. Wink wink) , but the guy was going to be at work and couldn't pick her up from the airport. So I told her I would give her a ride to her hotel. I knock her down and the guy shows up. The front desk calls the room. I forgot what she said, but the guy went back outside to his car. I left the room and went inside of the business center next to the front desk to act like I was on the computer. When she went out to get him and brought him back to the room I left.Thanks for sharing those details. Most of us can relate, whether it's personal experience or observing it with someone else.

[Wrx2005]

Oh PUHLEASE. Your banging chicas 1/3 your age for RD2000 Pesos and have the balls to make bible references, go preach elsewhere Ganja Boy!This is the same virtuous weed head who was trying to fuck 2 sisters without one knowing about the other. Now he's resorting to bible references? I never said this before, but it's the honest truth. I really think OK is mildly retarded. He seems normal, but you can tell there is something not quite right. He comes off like a child in a grown mans body. I couldn't help but laugh when he said I couldn't be his wing man. LOL And his juvenile attempt at getting attention by thanking guys on the forum that supposedly supported him in PM. Why couldn't he just thank them in PM? And how about his constant posting up of the same damn picture of a Sosua working girl named Mildred that all of us should have seen and / or fucked by now floating around Sosua. He gets his panties in a bunch over what some guys post, and has no clue who that person is, or full disclosure of what he is reading from individuals. All he does is react, like a fucking irrational woman. All of this is evidence of someone with some loose screws. And BTW I disagree with you on one thing. He aint banging chicas for 2000 pesos. He's paying much more than that. Evidence or not, I'm certain of that. Just like I'm reasonably certain he is sending money to chicas too, but is too chicken shit to admit it.

[OldKool]

I hate being misrepresented. First I did fuck two sisters "not try", and it was great. I smoke and enjoy weed I think it is much better drug then alcohol which I do not like. I am insulted that you think I pay 2000 pesos cause I pay 1000 to 1500 pesos. If the service is exceptional I will pay 2K. As for Mildre she needs the exposure. She is a little older but is a machine in bed. Last WRN when I said you could not be my wing it was because you are a fucking jerk. The episode with girls with no cedula who looked young and younger to the cab drivers and the waiters made it clear that you are also a dumb ass. In closing while fucking young girls is not one of my virtues I have many. I believe in God and the bible. I try to treat every one with respect until they demonstrate they are person like you who is not worthy. WRN I will ignore you and you can do the same."Kool Out

[Manny51]

I hate being misrepresented. First I did fuck two sisters "not try", and it was great. I smoke and enjoy weed I think it is much better drug then alcohol which I do not like. I am insulted that you think I pay 2000 pesos cause I pay 1000 to 1500 pesos. If the service is exceptional I will pay 2K. As for Mildre she needs the exposure. She is a little older but is a machine in bed. Last WRN when I said you could not be my wing it was because you are a fucking jerk. The episode with girls with no cedula who looked young and younger to the cab drivers and the waiters made it clear that you are also a dumb ass. In closing while fucking young girls is not one of my virtues I have many. I believe in God and the bible. I try to treat every one with respect until they demonstrate they are person like you who is not worthy. WRN I will ignore you and you can do the same."Kool OutWRX, Buschemi and friends,

Just disregard OldKool. He loves to jump into conversations spouting extreme opinions after telling you that you don't know crap. Classic troll.

I agree that the overall experience in places like Sosua have gone down all over the world. And although you can find jerks in both the male and female gender, I would also place more of the fault, if you want to call it that, with the women.

The internet has made the world a smaller place. Women follow stories about "stars" like Lindsay Lohan and overall have less patience with the world in general. I would guess that I am one of the more "junior" members of the community, but even I can see the decline in my relatively brief travels. I hypothesize that in the past, women were more naive, and were eager to "meet and fall in love" with a foreigner as a way out. Nowadays, foreigners are less unique or "exotic." Women are more likely to try and "hook" or con a man into getting her out or giving her stuff. It's a seemingly slight change in attitude from their point of view, but bigger from our perspective.

[Wrx2005]

WRX, Buschemi and friends,

Just disregard OldKool. He loves to jump into conversations spouting extreme opinions after telling you that you don't know crap. Classic troll.

I agree that the overall experience in places like Sosua have gone down all over the world. And although you can find jerks in both the male and female gender, I would also place more of the fault, if you want to call it that, with the women.

The internet has made the world a smaller place. Women follow stories about "stars" like Lindsay Lohan and overall have less patience with the world in general. I would guess that I am one of the more "junior" members of the community, but even I can see the decline in my relatively brief travels. I hypothesize that in the past, women were more naive, and were eager to "meet and fall in love" with a foreigner as a way out. Nowadays, foreigners are less unique or "exotic." Women are more likely to try and "hook" or con a man into getting her out or giving her stuff. It's a seemingly slight change in attitude from their point of view, but bigger from our perspective.I agree with your perspective of how many chicas may have evolved. Those that have experienced a drastic change may feel the effects more, than those who don't have much history to reflect on. I happen to be in a good position. I have been able to enjoy Sosua and other places in the DR with each trip I've been on.

My buddy and I both agreed, we had better times when we didn't have a plan of how the vacation was to go, than when we tried to plan each day. And when one isn't wifed up, fresh and exciting opportunites are in your face everywhere you look, without trying.

[Mr Gogo]

Frannie report from yesterday.

Law of diminishing returns.


Originally Posted by Frannie

The ideal is practically unobtainable if you want a beautiful girl who will provide passionate sex for a low price or preferably nothing.

The trouble with mongering is that your perspective is always changing with your experience.

Let's say you are new to mongering. 50 years old, and you come to Sosua for the first time. Assuming that you like brown-skinned girls, you will be overwhelmed with the opportunity to have sex with girls who are probably more beautiful than most you have had in your amateur career, and probably decades younger than any you could pull in your own right at home. Woo-hoo!

However the next stage is not just picking girls who are beautiful, but ones who will perform sexually too. And then you decide you might as well try something different, tall girls, short girls, older girls, younger girls, dark ones and fair ones, fat ones and thin ones, condom girls and bareback girls, until you have tried all that there is. Then you do threesomes and foursomes, just to make sure you haven't missed out on anything.

[Mr Gogo]

RR from yesterday.

Especially after living here for 4 years, I am, or was looking for the perfect chica. Now I'm sleeping alone because what you wrote is so true. They all have kids, they all want money, when they think they got you, they want more and more. So, I'm so now rather going on the hunt, I've chosen a different venue, I am the hunted. Just take an evening walk down the malecon in Puerto Plata, have a beer in any bar in Sosua. Let the chica do the hunting, I set the guidelines for price and time, but most of the time I go home alone. They are all the same. Let one get her foot in your door, and she is hard to get rid of because she's dragged her kid or kids along into the picture. Tough love.

[Mr Gogo]

below are reports from frannie and ricky rapido. these two guys live there so their reports carry weight. frannie offers a perspective of an older guy entering the mongering game late and what could be ahead. even though the end had me scratching my head i found the report interesting.

ricky rapido is closer to my age (45) so i can relate to his report a little more.

i have the option of an early retirement in two years so i have been gathering info from every angle to help me with my choice about when / where / how i would like to one day live. my sources will vary as you will see.

one of these sources you all know, the other i will change little things because he is also very popular and may not want to be exposed. both of these guys are much older than me so i know to keep my mouth shut and listen as they educate me. they are veterans who have settled into their comfort zones after many years in the game.

the first guy is my mentor and posted regularly here until about a year ago. he was the guy that told everyone about meeting girls at the baseball games and colmados but everyone thought he was corny and ran to gbp. i reached out and asked him to take me with him as he made his move to santo domingo. every week he gave me e-mail reports and pictures of his every move. from finding an apartment to the new metro to places where he found normal girls hanging out. i'm talking about bq ribs. he knew my interest was genuine.

now two years later he is sitting sweet in santo domingo. he has a fine ass main girl that has a good job. but he also has a couple side girls. his main girl is a good girl, if she is not working or with her family she is with him. they do movies and dinner, maybe dominoes with her family. his side girls stop by for there weekly sessions with no drama. my last trip i visited his place on the malecon and as we sipped presidentes i asked about the chic situation. he said" my main chic is special because she is the one he trusts and cares for. there is no doubt that if i got into a legal situation that she would be there for me. the other ones are for play". he said" as you get older we need that companionship sometimes more than sex because the sex is everywhere in the dr but true companionship with a girl you trust can sometimes be more fulfilling". so i concluded that he has the best of both worlds. my mind drifted back to the frannie and rr posts and concluded that they maybe based everything on sex when the sex is already a given in the dr.

the second guy is just as interesting. lets call him bobby. i met him in 2008 on a flight from mia to pop. bobby was between 60 and 65 and was full of life. my mind wasn't on talking as he sat next to me because i was planning on going full speed once we hit the ground. my game face was on. what started our conversation was that he had a cooler and i wondered what was in it. that led bobby to start his story so i shut the fuck up and listened. he snatched a girl that was working at black beards and retired her. bobby had a fat retirement check, ex wife and four kids that were grown. in the cooler was grouper fish he had purchased in miami. he said when he first went to bb that he would take her to the casino in puerto plata and she would gamble and win and bring the money back to him. he would tell her she won and its her money but she would give it to him. even when she lost she was so upset that she lost his money that she wouldn't want to gamble anymore. eventually he purchased a home and moved her in. the mother of the girl was working as a maid in sd for 200usd a month so bobby moved her in to keep the daughter company and put mom on the payroll. he even purchased the property next door for 12kusd to teach the girl about business. he gave me his number and said call him later and i can come by to help him eat the grouper. as we are leaving the terminal at pop airport this young fine thing and an older woman ran up and grabbed his luggage with smiles on their faces and wisked him off. they never looked at me as i was standing next to him. i never called because i was in sosua acting a fool, remember this was 2008.

my next trip i e-mailed bobby saying i was coming and he asked me to bring some grouper. he picked me up at the airport, dropped me off at my condo and said he would be back to pick me up at 6pm. at 6pm he was there. his place was nice as mom and the daughter cooked. we sat outside drinking and talking. i asked"does it bother you that your girl was a working girl and how do you deal with that?". he said" thats the blessing because she knows how to fuck and can't come with some prissy shit". he said" even on her period i know i'm going to get a good blow job, if she chooses to down play her sex role now that she has someone special, thats a sign that she is playing you". he said" when we were new we fucked three times a day but now with the mom around its usually once a day". they bring out the food and we eat as they cater to bobbys needs like he was a king. mom took the dishes into the house as bobby sits back with his girl massaging his feet. he looks at me with his hands behind his head and says' this is what its about gogo, a beautiful sunset, friends, a good meal and my girl by my side". as i left bobby said" gogo, find your happiness and don't worry about what other people think".

what do i get from all of this? its not about marriage or love, or just sex, its about being content. know what you want. i want a girl with one or no kids and surely not any boys. how can you tell a dominican boy that he will have to do chores without him looking at you crazy. my uncle has a girl that has a 28yo son thats a cop. my uncle had his girl visiting and cooking him a meal when the son calls. he says he is hungry. the mother says cook something you have food. the son says its not the same as when you cook it. the girl tells my uncle she has to go cook for her son. i don't want to compete with some spoiled ass son when i'm trying to be happy. i would take an ex hooker as a house mate because she knows how to please a man and if she can cook and clean thats a bonus. a clean house, a good meal and to bust a good nut a day, thats what i want. oh! and i got to have trust. side pussy is a given because this is the dr, but as long as i got the home shit straight the other shit will be easy.

don't need to fuck 10 tricks a day.

[Wrx2005]

I hate being misrepresented. First I did fuck two sisters "not try", and it was great. I smoke and enjoy weed I think it is much better drug then alcohol which I do not like. I am insulted that you think I pay 2000 pesos cause I pay 1000 to 1500 pesos. If the service is exceptional I will pay 2K. As for Mildre she needs the exposure. She is a little older but is a machine in bed. Last WRN when I said you could not be my wing it was because you are a fucking jerk. The episode with girls with no cedula who looked young and younger to the cab drivers and the waiters made it clear that you are also a dumb ass. In closing while fucking young girls is not one of my virtues I have many. I believe in God and the bible. I try to treat every one with respect until they demonstrate they are person like you who is not worthy. WRN I will ignore you and you can do the same."Kool OutI don't give a shit whether those sisters were great or not. You talk all this shit about caring for chicas feelings and respecting them, claiming other men are the reason these women are cold. But you are double talking piece of shit. You didn't give a shit about how those sisters would feel by going behind their back. You werent respecting them sisters by going after them both. All you cared about was your fucking dick. This double standard mentality proves you are definitely a jerk, and have no credibility.

Now, between you and me. Last I checked, being in the company of a chica without a cedula but not having sex or touching her, was not a crime in the DR. You however, are committing a crime in the DR by possessing and smoking weed in the DR. You have been advised by enough members of how stupid that activity is. Especially putting yourself in a vulnerable position by smoking weed with chicas. Now, as far as how much you pay for chicas? Nobody gives a shit about girls you pick up. My focus is all that shit you are buying these hoes and putas when you are home as if these MF's are your GF. As well as sending them money and / or buying them gifts to keep them as regulars. You honestly think you have some sort of relationship with hoes you meet off the internet. If all that crap you think you got going on was worth anything, all you would need to do is just pay 1500 pesos when you are with them.

Now, think deeply beyond the weed my friend. You aint getting with these internet babes for a mere 1500 to 2000 pesos per visit. You are paying for shit before you even get the pussy. It's also obvious that you are sending money if it is requested from you, or giving them more money if requested. So stop lying and trying to patch up holes. You are a double talking bottom feeder, foul and dirty.

[Wrx2005]

I have the option of an early retirement in two years so I have been gathering info from every angle to help me with my choice about when / where / how I would like to one day live. My sources will vary as you will see.You and I have similar circumstances. I am already eligible to retire, but choose to work longer to get the maximum benefit. That will be obtained in 18 months. 15 if I take a terminal leave with accumulated sick time. This is what concerns me about making such a strong move. How much would I miss living in the USA and what it had to offer? You can answer that question if you like?

For instance. All of the conveniences and resources that one would lose. A small example. In the DR mostly everywhere I go the internet is very poor or non existent. It gets very frustrating at times dealing with very slow internet. Especially as one travels away from their own internet connection that they pay for. A lot of the things I'm used to purchasing at anytime, I would not be able to find it in the DR. How about entertainment?

An observation. I know a few expats living in the DR, mostly in or around Sosua. They will say they are content. But I sense something is missing. One thing I notice is they seem overly happy when friends show up for their vacations. It's like their friends are a relief from the routine of living in paradise. I notice some expats are quick to "school" somebody almost to the point of being overly critical and prejudging people. I think they do it, because they are really becoming bored, and don't have anything better to do with their time. Or they have done it all. It seems to many expats, friends visiting are a breath of fresh air, even from a routine most of us on the outside would consider a blessing.

Aside from dealing with chicas, how exactly would you spend each day in the DR? Each week and each month. What would you be doing to keep yourself occupied when it doesn't involve being with women? Overall, what would be your motivation for moving to the DR, rather than just staying a few months at a time, and coming back to the states to build up a strong desire to come back?

[Mr Gogo]

You and I have similar circumstances. I am already eligible to retire, but choose to work longer to get the maximum benefit. That will be obtained in 18 months. 15 if I take a terminal leave with accumulated sick time. This is what concerns me about making such a strong move. How much would I miss living in the USA and what it had to offer? You can answer that question if you like?

For instance. All of the conveniences and resources that one would lose. A small example. In the DR mostly everywhere I go the internet is very poor or non existent. It gets very frustrating at times dealing with very slow internet. Especially as one travels away from their own internet connection that they pay for. A lot of the things I'm used to purchasing at anytime, I would not be able to find it in the DR. How about entertainment?

An observation. I know a few expats living in the DR, mostly in or around Sosua. They will say they are content. But I sense something is missing. One thing I notice is they seem overly happy when friends show up for their vacations...My home here in Miami is paid for so I will always keep that as my home base. I guess being stuck in the DR without any other options would not be good. And you are correct about the ex pats, maybe they want everyone to enjoy their paradise as they probably did in the beginning. A Dominican dude once told me that a high percentage of guys that move to the DR ususally fall into three categories: 1) They become gay. 2) They become bi-sexual. 3) They get heavy into drugs. I don't know if it is true but it kind of goes back to Frannies post about pussy getting boring. Thats why I think its important not to be moving to the DR just for sex.

My plan as of now is to move to the Malecon in SD. Apartments run about 800usd a month with electric and internet. I want to jog the Malecon every morning and then stop at one of the fruit stand and get some fresh squeezed orange juice. Then maybe hit the gym or go to Spanish school to perfect the language. Then spend the evening with my lady. Maybe on weekends take a chica to a cabana (only the main chic comes to my apartment). Or hit the clubs and hangout on Saturday nights. I will also take in a baseball or basketball game as they are usually cheap. But I will mix that up with an occasional hunt. What I mean is renting a car and hitting the country. Find one of those fine ass country girls who has never been anywhere. I will tell her there are jobs in the city. She will come starry eyed as I show her the metro and zoo. I will keep it basic because you don't want her going to the country too knowledgeable. Surely sex will be in the mix as she will probably spend a couple days with me. Then Sunday morning I pay her bus fare and send her back home. Nothing like out of town pussy visiting just for a weekend adventure to break the cycle of her boring life.

I was considering a used phone business but I see the big companies are now building their used phone inventory for international sales, hence the current trade-in deals all the big companies are offering. They get you into a new phone and buy the old one cheap, then sell it overseas.

The beauty about keeping my place in Miami is that no one will know where I will be. I could just go and come as I see fit. Flights are also cheaper into SDQ. Boca could be a weekend getaway and the north coast is only 4 hours away. Win-win-win. Oh! And I also hear health insurance is cheap in the DR and the coverage is pretty good.

[Wrx2005]

My home here in Miami is paid for so I will always keep that as my home base. I guess being stuck in the DR without any other options would not be good. And you are correct about the ex pats, maybe they want everyone to enjoy their paradise as they probably did in the beginning. A Dominican dude once told me that a high percentage of guys that move to the DR ususally fall into three categories: 1) They become gay. 2) They become bi-sexual. 3) They get heavy into drugs. I don't know if it is true but it kind of goes back to Frannies post about pussy getting boring. Thats why I think its important not to be moving to the DR just for sex.

My plan as of now is to move to the Malecon in SD. Apartments run about 800usd a month with electric and internet. I want to jog the Malecon every morning and then stop at one of the fruit stand and get some fresh squeezed orange juice. Then maybe hit the gym or go to Spanish school to perfect the language. Then spend the evening with my lady. Maybe on weekends take a chica to a cabana (only the main chic comes to my apartment). Or hit the clubs and hangout on Saturday nights. I will also take in a baseball or basketball game as they are usually cheap. But I will mix that up with an occasional hunt. What I mean is renting a car and hitting the country. Find one of those fine ass country girls who has never been anywhere. I will tell her there are jobs in the city. She will come starry eyed as I show her the metro and zoo. I will keep it basic because you don't want her going to the country too knowledgeable. Surely sex will be in the mix as she will probably spend a couple days with me. Then Sunday morning I pay her bus fare and send her back home. Nothing like out of town pussy visiting just for a weekend adventure to break the cycle of her boring life.

I was considering a used phone business but I see the big companies are now building their used phone inventory for international sales, hence the current trade-in deals all the big companies are offering. They get you into a new phone and buy the old one cheap, then sell it overseas.

The beauty about keeping my place in Miami is that no one will know where I will be. I could just go and come as I see fit. Flights are also cheaper into SDQ. Boca could be a weekend getaway and the north coast is only 4 hours away. Win-win-win. Oh! And I also hear health insurance is cheap in the DR and the coverage is pretty good.Sounds like a plan man. However, what you are considering doesn't seem like a a complete move to the DR. It seems your situation can be something you enjoy for a few months or a whole year before you decide what else you want to do or to go. Like even to live in another country. Your home base affords you the luxury to go back to Miami and stay as long as you want until you are ready to come back. However, it seems there are quite a few expats in the DR that have completely severed ties from their home bases. And those are the ones I gather that may miss a lot from where they were from.

And like you, my house is paid for. However, you are in a better position location wise because where I live, I will have my pension taxed (state taxes) after 3 years of retirement (if I stay in my state ). Whereas for you in Florida you should be exempt from paying state taxes. Plus it's cheaper to live in Florida than in my state. Hmmm maybe I should consider moving to Florida? People say it can be hot as hell, almost to unbearable. The rest of your plan is doable even from someone only living part time in the DR. For me. I also have more traveling I would like to accomplish. That could take up a good bulk of my time (especially in retirement) before I decide to stay in the DR or any country for any extended period of time.

[Combo]

IMO you need to have some hobbies / interests aside from chicas and drinking. Most guys will get bored to death otherwise. Maybe even work or volunteer for some worthwhile charity.


You and I have similar circumstances. I am already eligible to retire, but choose to work longer to get the maximum benefit. That will be obtained in 18 months. 15 if I take a terminal leave with accumulated sick time. This is what concerns me about making such a strong move. How much would I miss living in the USA and what it had to offer? You can answer that question if you like?

For instance. All of the conveniences and resources that one would lose. A small example. In the DR mostly everywhere I go the internet is very poor or non existent. It gets very frustrating at times dealing with very slow internet. Especially as one travels away from their own internet connection that they pay for. A lot of the things I'm used to purchasing at anytime, I would not be able to find it in the DR. How about entertainment?

An observation. I know a few expats living in the DR, mostly in or around Sosua. They will say they are content. But I sense something is missing. One thing I notice is they seem overly happy when friends show up for their vacations. It's like their friends are a relief from the routine of living in paradise. I notice some expats are quick to "school" somebody almost to the point of being overly critical and prejudging people. I think they do it, because they are really becoming bored, and don't have anything better to do with their time. Or they have done it all. It seems to many expats, friends visiting are a breath of fresh air, even from a routine most of us on the outside would consider a blessing.

Aside from dealing with chicas, how exactly would you spend each day in the DR? Each week and each month. What would you be doing to keep yourself occupied when it doesn't involve being with women? Overall, what would be your motivation for moving to the DR, rather than just staying a few months at a time, and coming back to the states to build up a strong desire to come back?

[Mr Enternational]

IMO you need to have some hobbies / interests aside from chicas and drinking. Most guys will get bored to death otherwise. Maybe even work or volunteer for some worthwhile charity.Why settle on one place? What a buddy of mine does is bounce around. He started in Rio, then went to Fortaleza, then went to Espirito Santo. When Brazil got too expensive he moved to Sosua, then to Santo Domingo, then back to Sosua. A few months ago he moved to Costa Rica. A few days ago he sent me an email to say Costa Rica is too expensive so he moved back to Sosua.

I am happy when people like Gogo and BBL come over to Thailand to visit. It gives me something to do showing them around. Other than that, I usually wake up about 6 and get online. When my breakfast spot opens at 8 I go get breakfast and head to the gym. After the gym go take a shower and run errands. Then lunch. Go back and watch shows that I downloaded. I go to the beach every now and then, but it's so damn hot that a lot of times I will say fuck this and go back into the air con. I might eat dinner about 6 pm then call myself going to take a nap at 8pm so that I can go out about after midnight. But usually I won't wake up again until 6am. Then do the whole thing over again. Women are always going to be there. That is my least concern.

I don't know how that would work out in the DR because like when I am at my girl's house there the power always goes out every morning about 6am or as soon as the sun is coming up. Sometimes it comes back on at 10, other times at noon, and other times not until 5pm. And of course without power there is no internet unless you have it on your cell phone and 3 extra batteries like I do. If not the power, then the water is off.

[Wrx2005]

IMO you need to have some hobbies / interests aside from chicas and drinking. Most guys will get bored to death otherwise. Maybe even work or volunteer for some worthwhile charity.Agreed. I think enrolling in spanish classes and learning more of the language would be very productive. Also seriously maintaining a level of fitness as Mr G mentioned. This may seem strange, but another strategy I have is psychological. The trick is to stay long enough in the DR until I am anxious to head back to the states. And from that, hopefully I will really appreciate everything I love and enjoyed about living in the states. And when that wears off, head back to the DR to re- appreciate what I love about being in the DR. Because no matter where one chooses to be, it isn't hard to take things for granted, become bored, complacent, or seriously miss some very important creature comforts. Even if everything is relatively good.

[Wrx2005]

Why settle on one place? What a buddy of mine does is bounce around. He started in Rio, then went to Fortaleza, then went to Espirito Santo. When Brazil got too expensive he moved to Sosua, then to Santo Domingo, then back to Sosua. A few months ago he moved to Costa Rica. A few days ago he sent me an email to say Costa Rica is too expensive so he moved back to Sosua.Thats the other thing I was thinking of. I may want to explore many other places. Once retired it will be much easier to stay a month or more without batting an eye. Because there won't be any job or obligation that I'm tied to. Ya better extend that invite for Thailand buddy. Because I'm aiming to get there one of these days.

[Frannie]

and you are correct about the ex pats, maybe they want everyone to enjoy their paradise as they probably did in the beginning. a dominican dude once told me that a high percentage of guys that move to the dr ususally fall into three categories: 1) they become gay. 2) they become bi-sexual. 3) they get heavy into drugs. i don't know if it is true but it kind of goes back to frannie's post about pussy getting boring. thats why i think its important not to be moving to the dr just for sex.how does this dominican guy know this? do expatriate confide in him, or is he some kind of therapist or a catholic priest? or a male hooker?

i doubt whether guys become gay as a retirement project. or bisexual. or get into drugs. i think it is mostly alcohol. pussy becomes boring. it is just a hole. however what are you doing to do in the us that is more exciting? how many times can you go airboating at the everglades alligator farm, or go to lake okeechobee for lunch, or go to miami beach, or key west or walmart? or plane spotting at the airport? or ride the tri-rail to fort lauderdale.

i don't drink, do drugs, or watch tv, but i am never bored in the dr. not sure why, but i never have any desire to be anywhere else.

[Mr Gogo]

how does this dominican guy know this? do expatriate confide in him, or is he some kind of therapist or a catholic priest? or a male hooker?

i doubt whether guys become gay as a retirement project. or bisexual. or get into drugs. i think it is mostly alcohol. pussy becomes boring. it is just a hole. however what are you doing to do in the us that is more exciting? how many times can you go airboating at the everglades alligator farm, or go to lake okeechobee for lunch, or go to miami beach, or key west or walmart? or plane spotting at the airport? or ride the tri-rail to fort lauderdale.

i don't drink, do drugs, or watch tv, but i am never bored in the dr. not sure why, but i never have any desire to be anywhere else.frannie you live in puerto plata, and if you think there are sexual secrets in puerto plata i'm shocked. puerto plata has the most nosy and gossiping dominicans on the island. from the motochoncho drivers to the taxi drivers to the working girls who travel to sosua daily for p4p. i'm surprised that you don't know this living there. everyone tries to act like they arent paying attention but they are. and if you are a gringo they know what you are doing. so if someone is bi, or gay or using drugs and they are a gringo, it wouldn't be a secret.

[Wrx2005]

how does this dominican guy know this? do expatriate confide in him, or is he some kind of therapist or a catholic priest? or a male hooker?

i doubt whether guys become gay as a retirement project. or bisexual. or get into drugs. i think it is mostly alcohol. pussy becomes boring. it is just a hole. however what are you doing to do in the us that is more exciting? how many times can you go airboating at the everglades alligator farm, or go to lake okeechobee for lunch, or go to miami beach, or key west or walmart? or plane spotting at the airport? or ride the tri-rail to fort lauderdale.

i don't drink, do drugs, or watch tv, but i am never bored in the dr. not sure why, but i never have any desire to be anywhere else.frannie what makes you think those are the only choices or things to do? he could have family obligations or a loved one he's caring for, longtime friends he is fond of spending time with. maybe he'd like to go to a nice jazz club, or somewhere else in the country that offers him something he won't find in the dr? maybe he has things that need to be done to his home? banking or other financial obligations responsibilities. ya can't lay out a couple of things that cross your mind and try to assume for someone else those are their choices or limitations. does that really make sense? you may be asking the question, and i'll give you that. but why not just ask the question and keep the almost insulting examples to yourself? also i would consider changing that term you used "exciting" to "fulfilling,necessary or complementary".

[Mr Gogo]

Frannie,

You never really give any of yourself to the blog, you are a big mystery. Since you are never bored in Puerto Plata, can you let us in on how you spend the average day.

[Mr Gogo]

It took me a couple years to realize the scope of the North coast network. In 2007 I would try to sneak into Sosua to play and checkout the new talent a couple days before my Puerto Plata girlfriend was expecting me. It would take 24 hours before word reached POP and my girlfriend. How the fuck was she finding me in hiding?

Understand that back in those days most girls lived within 40 minutes of Sosua. It wasnt like now with mostly Santo Domingo hustlers. Back then the girls from Puerto Plata, Montellano, La Union, and as far away as Rio San Juan and Santiago migrated to Sosua looking for a boyfriend and future WU novio.

The spy network consisted of motochoncho guys, taxis, security guards and street vendors. The girls had access to these guys and their intel at a cheap price. These guys know the gringos, its their job.

Then you had the chica network that would gossip in the nail salons and there barios about how much a certain gringo paid, how big his dick is, and how much bullshit she can pull on his ass. This complete network had gringos believing that every thing they did was a secret. Apparently this extends to ex pats that live there who don't know better.

It's no coincidence that 10 minutes after you arrive at New Gardens that the chica you were fucking your last trip walks in. The waitress at New Garden sold you out before you arrived (by checking the arrivals expected) and the girl was on standby. They probably shared a laugh in the publico after your last trip about your WU paying ass.

One chica would know where I'm staying even after switching hotels on different trips. The motochoncho boys and night security would be monitoring my ass like I was Bin Laden. The motochoncho boy was probably fucking her in Puerto Plata laughing at my gringo ass. The kicker came when I took a girl on a date to Rio San Juan and 30 minutes after arrived I received a call from my Puerto Plata chica telling me where I was.

Things have changed lately because most guys aren't dating the girls anymore, so the network isn't as focused on hourly, multi-chica fucking gringos. But if you spend time with certain chicas people are going to be paying attention. If you are hanging out in Puerto Plata people will be paying attention to any foreigner. If you are brown skinned from India with a British accent or American with a white tee and Nikes, you will be the talk when Dominicans congregate in POP. The only secret will be if you haven't figured this out yet.

[Frannie]

Frannie what makes you think those are the only choices or things to do? He could have family obligations or a loved one he's caring for, longtime friends he is fond of spending time with. Maybe he'd like to go to a nice jazz club, or somewhere else in the country that offers him something he won't find in the DR? Maybe he has things that need to be done to his home? Banking or other financial obligations responsibilities. Ya can't lay out a couple of things that cross your mind and try to assume for someone else those are their choices or limitations. Does that really make sense? You may be asking the question, and I'll give you that. But why not just ask the question and keep the almost insulting examples to yourself? Also I would consider changing that term you used "exciting" to "fulfilling,necessary or complementary".In today's connected world, living in one place is much like living in another, with the exception of location-specific factors like places to visit, or family ties, as you say. Most of the things one does as part of the daily routine are the same wherever you live, and once you take the need to go to work, travel to and from work, prepare for work, and so on out of the equation, even more so. The joy of not working is not having to schedule everything else around work or go to bed at a certain time, or get up at a certain time. The variables are the people whom one sees and encounters on a daily basis.

[Mr Gogo]

Thats the other thing I was thinking of. I may want to explore many other places. Once retired it will be much easier to stay a month or more without batting an eye. Because there won't be any job or obligation that I'm tied to. Ya better extend that invite for Thailand buddy. Because I'm aiming to get there one of these days.Make sure that Mr E is there when you go. He showed us things we would have never seen without his help. Thailand would also be a great place to retire. It is completely safe and things are cheap. The food and the girls are great. But it is just so far away.

"Walking street" is a must see for every man before he leaves this earth. We are talking about 300 different venues in one place. From Gogo bars to night clubs to restaurants to strip clubs. Most of the music is live bands from jazz to hip hop to country. And they are free. The place has over 1000 working girls easy. And outside of "Walking street" you have beach road that has another 500 working girls. Its like being on another planet in your own world. The pics below are of walking street.

[Mr Gogo]

The bikini contest at Black Beards last year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvLHLY9r2hQ

Bikini contest from 2011.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=524qpxfzrTA

Black beards special edition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNa0o18aQeg

Santo Domingo carnival from last year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niuULR15Kmo

[Shamester]

The dish network sounds like a viable option.

[Wrx2005]

In today's connected world, living in one place is much like living in another, with the exception of location-specific factors like places to visit, or family ties, as you say. Most of the things one does as part of the daily routine are the same wherever you live, and once you take the need to go to work, travel to and from work, prepare for work, and so on out of the equation, even more so. The joy of not working is not having to schedule everything else around work or go to bed at a certain time, or get up at a certain time. The variables are the people whom one sees and encounters on a daily basis.My question was. What makes you think that he is limited to the examples you gave? And further, why not just ask the question of what his interests or hobbies are back in the states, and just wait for an answer?

I have a couple of co workers, and an ex GF who are consistent in doing that. They will ask questions, but rather than just wait for the other persons answer, they supply the choices that they think applies to that person or the choices a person is to choose from. And if none of them apply, they seem to have difficulty accepting an answer that wasnt in their list. They kinda stare dumbfounded. Or don't even entertain going further. That suggests to me a person who isn't really listening or cares about the feedback they just got.

I can see why Mr G asked you for some feedback so as to gain some perspective of how you operate day to day. Taking note, he simply asked the question. And is waiting for feedback. He didn't give you a bunch of choices for you to pick and choose from of how you live your life, that may not even apply to you. Thats a good approach to good or better communication.

[Frannie]

Frannie you never really give any of yourself to the blog, you are a big mystery. Since you are never bored in Puerto Plata, can you let us in on how you spend the average day.Most of what I do has no connection with mongering and involves people who have no connection with mongering, so I don't write about it on this blog. I write about a number of topics on different blogs under different identities, some out of interest, some for which I am paid. I swim laps daily and also walk and cycle for exercise. I speak Spanish fairly fluently, so I have no particular need to associate with English speakers. I listen to a lot of jazz and to Internet radio such as plays and dramas. I read some books, mostly on Kindle. I cook or bake a variety of dishes, casseroles, pies, desserts, etc. I go to medical appointments when necessary. I shop in supermarkets, colmados, and buy fruit and veg from street vendors and trucks.

[Mr Gogo]

Most of what I do has no connection with mongering and involves people who have no connection with mongering, so I don't write about it on this blog. I write about a number of topics on different blogs under different identities, some out of interest, some for which I am paid. I swim laps daily and also walk and cycle for exercise. I speak Spanish fairly fluently, so I have no particular need to associate with English speakers. I listen to a lot of jazz and to Internet radio such as plays and dramas. I read some books, mostly on Kindle. I cook or bake a variety of dishes, casseroles, pies, desserts, etc. I go to medical appointments when necessary. I shop in supermarkets, colmados, and buy fruit and veg from street vendors and trucks.Since I finally got you to open up after almost ten years, let me ask you some questions that might help me and the readers if you don't mind? How would you rate the medical treatment ex pats recieve in the DR and is it expensive? Is there a lap pool in Puerto Plata? Have you noticed a change in how chicas view ex pats over the years or maybe the chicas attitudes? And what are your fears being an expat living abroad if you have any? You seem at peace with solitude, would that be an appropriate assumption?

[Wrx2005]

Most of what I do has no connection with mongering and involves people who have no connection with mongering, so I don't write about it on this blog. I write about a number of topics on different blogs under different identities, some out of interest, some for which I am paid. I swim laps daily and also walk and cycle for exercise. I speak Spanish fairly fluently, so I have no particular need to associate with English speakers. I listen to a lot of jazz and to Internet radio such as plays and dramas. I read some books, mostly on Kindle. I cook or bake a variety of dishes, casseroles, pies, desserts, etc. I go to medical appointments when necessary. I shop in supermarkets, colmados, and buy fruit and veg from street vendors and trucks.Very enlightening and informative. The things you provided says alot. You have many things that keep you occupied and content. Thanks for sharing.

[Wrx2005]

Make sure that Mr E is there when you go. He showed us things we would have never seen without his help. Thailand would also be a great place to retire. It is completely safe and things are cheap. The food and the girls are great. But it is just so far away.

"Walking street" is a must see for every man before he leaves this earth. We are talking about 300 different venues in one place. From Gogo bars to night clubs to restaurants to strip clubs. Most of the music is live bands from jazz to hip hop to country. And they are free. The place has over 1000 working girls easy. And outside of "Walking street" you have beach road that has another 500 working girls. Its like being on another planet in your own world. The pics below are of walking street.I surely wasnt thinking of winging it alone. LOL I intend to make sure he is there when I roll. Could you do 3 weeks to a month there without becoming bored or tired of your daily routine?

[Mr Gogo]

I surely wasnt thinking of winging it alone. LOL I intend to make sure he is there when I roll. Could you do 3 weeks to a month there without becoming bored or tired of your daily routine?No. 7-10 days is good to party, fuck, and hangout. But you have Bankok, and the surrounding areas to recover and have a good time. Damn you making me miss by just talking about it.

[Mr Enternational]

I surely wasnt thinking of winging it alone. LOL I intend to make sure he is there when I roll. Could you do 3 weeks to a month there without becoming bored or tired of your daily routine?Definitely. But if you are going to be on that side of the world and staying that long, I would recommend a few days in the Philippines as well. On Tiger Airways it's only $70 each way for the 3 hour flight from Bangkok to Angeles City.

[Orgasmico]

Okay, on October 31 the jazz festival resumes in Puerto Plata. On the next day, a Friday, the jazz festival will move to Sosua for two days. Its part of Sosua's new image as a cultural place. Then Sunday the jazz festival will end at Cabarete beach. Both local and international artists will perform.

Hope to see you there. Looks like a decent lineup with Milly Quezada y Johnny Ventura in Cabarete and Ex-Yankee Bernie Williams is pretty nice on the guitar. http://drjazzfestival.jb-ent.com/online/line-up/

[Manny51]

It took me a couple years to realize the scope of the North coast network. In 2007 I would try to sneak into Sosua to play and checkout the new talent a couple days before my Puerto Plata girlfriend was expecting me. It would take 24 hours before word reached POP and my girlfriend. How the fuck was she finding me in hiding?

Understand that back in those days most girls lived within 40 minutes of Sosua. It wasnt like now with mostly Santo Domingo hustlers. Back then the girls from Puerto Plata, Montellano, La Union, and as far away as Rio San Juan and Santiago migrated to Sosua looking for a boyfriend and future WU novio.

The spy network consisted of motochoncho guys, taxis, security guards and street vendors. The girls had access to these guys and their intel at a cheap price. These guys know the gringos, its their job.

Then you had the chica network that would gossip in the nail salons and there barios about how much a certain gringo paid, how big his dick is, and how much bullshit she can pull on his ass. This complete network had gringos believing that every thing they did was a secret. Apparently this extends to ex pats that live there who don't know better.

It's no coincidence that 10 minutes after you arrive at New Gardens that the chica you were fucking your last trip walks in. The waitress at New Garden sold you out before you arrived (by checking the arrivals expected) and the girl was on standby. They probably shared a laugh in the publico after your last trip about your WU paying ass.

One chica would know where I'm staying even after switching hotels on different trips. The motochoncho boys and night security would be monitoring my ass like I was Bin Laden. The motochoncho boy was probably fucking her in Puerto Plata laughing at my gringo ass. The kicker came when I took a girl on a date to Rio San Juan and 30 minutes after arrived I received a call from my Puerto Plata chica telling me where I was.

Things have changed lately because most guys aren't dating the girls anymore, so the network isn't as focused on hourly, multi-chica fucking gringos. But if you spend time with certain chicas people are going to be paying attention. If you are hanging out in Puerto Plata people will be paying attention to any foreigner. If you are brown skinned from India with a British accent or American with a white tee and Nikes, you will be the talk when Dominicans congregate in POP. The only secret will be if you haven't figured this out yet.Honestly and respectfully, I just have to ask.

You're exaggerating right? This story was meant to be funny, right?

[Mr Gogo]

Stanley Jordan, Bernie Williams and 20 other artists. October 31st in Puerto Plata, the next day in Sosua then finishing in Cabarette.

[Frannie]

Honestly and respectfully, I just have to ask.

You're exaggerating right? This story was meant to be funny, right?Not much exaggerated, I would think.

[Wrx2005]

Stanley Jordan, Bernie Williams and 20 other artists. October 31st in Puerto Plata, the next day in Sosua then finishing in Cabarette.Damn I fucked up. I will be there Oct 1. I just might have to make a special trip at the end of the month. And why not, I am working on spending a good portion of my time in the DR very soon. The expense? Can't take it with you, might as well enjoy it.

[Mr Gogo]

Damn I fucked up. I will be there Oct 1. I just might have to make a special trip at the end of the month. And why not, I am working on spending a good portion of my time in the DR very soon. The expense? Can't take it with you, might as well enjoy it.Bernie Williams used to be an all-star basball player that has become a jazz superstar. Stankey Jordan is a legend. I just hope they aren't using their names to promote the event and then they never show.

But this is a great time to mingle with the non-monger crowd. If things are changing maybe we need to change also. I'm really excited because I can explore a new arena. Mongering was getting bored, but I live culture and travel.

[Manizales911]

Stanley Jordan, Bernie Williams and 20 other artists. October 31st in Puerto Plata, the next day in Sosua then finishing in Cabarette.Nice, I arrive on the north coast on the 30th, I'll check it out. Then I wife up with my new "main squeeze" and head east and south.

[Orgasmico]

Bernie Williams used to be an all-star basball player that has become a jazz superstar.As big as baseball is in the DR, just fact that Bernie is a world series champ with the Yankees might draw some folks.

[StonedCrab]

Yeah, I tried playing around with it a bit on Travelocity and the prices did not fluctuate much at 40+ or less than 80 days. Will have to see what it does going directly to the airlines' website.Hey guys, try using Google Flights. It does all of price the comparison for you.

http://www.google.com/flights/

[SavePros321]

One seller writes 'want to get your boyfriend to pop the question? ', while some buyers are motivated by revenge

PUBLISHED: 16:33 EST. 30 August 2013 | UPDATED: 19:49 EST. 31 August 2013.

A number of women across the country have listed their positive pregnancy tests for sale on Craigslist.

One expectant mother in the Buffalo, New York area is selling her used sticks for $25 each, The Daily Dot reports.

Another New Jersey mom writes: 'want to get your boyfriend to finally pop the question? Play a trick on mom, dad or one of your friends?

Scrolling through the site, there appears to be no shortage of sellers- and many are aware that their customers could be using the tests for dubious reasons.

'I'm pregnant and will sell you my positive pregnancy test for $20, ' one woman on Manhattan's Lower East Side writes. 'I don't care what you need them for. '

One Los Angeles woman offers to buy a pregnancy test for $20 'to make a video on teen pregnancy' for her local boys and girls club, which commenters point out seems suspect.

Another Dallas-based buyer is motivated by revenge, because after five years and two children with her ex-boyfriend, he came home and told her that he got his receptionist pregnant.

'We had been trying for another [baby]' she writes.

'He texted and said he isn't sure who he wants to be with and I think I handled it well for what a cheating lying dog he is. I would like the last laugh out of this. I will give some girl $40. '

Read more:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2407401/Women-sell-positive-pregnancy-tests-Craigslist-25-each.html

[Wrx2005]

Ya'll recall my recent trip report when I met one of my Dom Cupid contacts? Our meeting lead up to her propositioning me to pay her for a massage, which eventually lead to her wanting a p4p arrangement for more money. Since I've been home weve been communicating via Whatsapp messenger. The woman has been dropping land mine hints of her financial problems. Tuition problems, food in the house problems, no job problems. You name it, she had a problem she needed to tell me about.

I can tell I wasnt dealing with no dummy although she was very transparent with her intent. Recently she had mentioned that she may have to sell her earrings and possibly her cell phone in order to get enough money to pay her tuition bill. I read it but didn't comment much on it, except to acknowledge the message. When I didn't say much she asked me how come I stopped talking to her. I told her I had left my phone to do something, but now I am back. That day passed.

Next day after our brief greeting, she asks."can I ask you a question?". I say "sure". She reminds me of her mentioning to me before about selling her cell phone to get money. I said, yes I remember. Then she gives me the direct hit. No beating around the Bush, and no hints.

"Can you lend me some money please?" After I give her my policy, that I do not send money, she pleaded with me. I told her, that if I was with her there, things would be different. For one, I would take her to the store and buy her food. And I would do that even though I am not her boyfriend.

After that a little more pleading. Then I had to get a little deeper. I told her I have my own responsibilities here, and I do not have anyone to help me or to complain to. I can't be responsible for helping every woman in the DR just because we met. Then I told her."you are also still on dominican cupid looking for men to support you" "If I give you money, you are only going to take that money, use it, and look for more money from another guy on cupid" "And what do I get out of it, nothing?" "you will go on to the next man and do the same thing to him" "You asked me to loan you money. But how are you going to pay me back, with no job and no means of getting money?" "there is no guarantee that you will pay me back in the bed, once I come back to the DR, especially if you find a new boyfriend"

End result? Crickets coming from her end of whatsapp. LOL Of course I could care less. I wouldn't have said jack to her, as long as she didn't come right out and ask me for money. But once she did, she had to be told the deal.

What makes this situation interesting, is that I already sampled the juice. And paid for my time when I was with her last month. More often than not, chicas haven't even met the dude they are talking to online, and they start overloading a guy with their problems and sob stories, and then proceed to guilt trip a dude for cash, gifts or favors. But in this instance, having sampled the juice, and paid only after services were rendered, I was somewhat ahead of the game. There was another Santiago chica, I never mentioned. But everyday last month she was blowing up my phone, because she wanted me to send money to her Banco Popular account so she could "take the bus to Sosua to meet me". Yeah sure. That would have been money wasted. Especially since I didn't know what or who I was really sending money to.

The reason why I am reporting this situation is because guys should be reinforced on how good some of these chicas are when it comes to acting sincere and into a dude, when in reality they could care less about you. Their main focus is to get whatever they can get from as many men as possible, by any means necessary. Quite different than a monger who is quite willing to pay whats agreed upon between him and a chica.

[Mr Gogo]

Good post. A guy just told me he purchased an iphone for a chica then two days later she says she lost her iphone and he got her another one. This guy asked her to go on a romantic vacation at an all-inclusive and she brought four other family members. I'm hipping him to her game but he is hooked. I finally gave up and started ignoring his Pms. Would you believe he sent me messages cussing me out but the chica gets a pass.

I'm hoping the chica books his ass for being stupid. I saw him last month on ISG asking about all-inclusive info and I just SMH.

WRX, you are a very witty guy and size up situations well, I commend you for that. But me, I don't have time for a bullshitting chica. When I'm there and I call, they know to get their asses to me otherwise I'm onto the next chica and they won't hear from me until the next trip. You have patience with these girls and seem to like playing the mental games, which you seem to always win. I need a chica to act right, knowing Gogo will treat them right. Once the games start I just give them a look or say"don't play that game or you are fucking up bad". I like putting a chica on the outside looking in, then have her conform to my terms. These girls have no shame when it comes to begging, thats why I end the topic quickly. Sure the will fall back to sulking and pouting but then I get into my zone and act pissed and they have a choice. Either act like you appreciate this opportunity or step and delete my number. Latin girls look at guys as soft if you don't take control and be a strong male.

[Wrx2005]

Good post. A guy just told me he purchased an iphone for a chica then two days later she says she lost her iphone and he got her another one. This guy asked her to go on a romantic vacation at an all-inclusive and she brought four other family members. I'm hipping him to her game but he is hooked. I finally gave up and started ignoring his Pms. Would you believe he sent me messages cussing me out but the chica gets a pass.

I'm hoping the chica books his ass for being stupid. I saw him last month on ISG asking about all-inclusive info and I just SMH.

WRX, you are a very witty guy and size up situations well, I commend you for that. But me, I don't have time for a bullshitting chica. When I'm there and I call, they know to get their asses to me otherwise I'm onto the next chica and they won't hear from me until the next trip. You have patience with these girls and seem to like playing the mental games, which you seem to always win. I need a chica to act right, knowing Gogo will treat them right. Once the games start I just give them a look or say"don't play that game or you are fucking up bad". I like putting a chica on the outside looking in, then have her conform to my terms. These girls have no shame when it comes to begging, thats why I end the topic quickly. Sure the will fall back to sulking and pouting but then I get into my zone and act pissed and they have a choice. Either act like you appreciate this opportunity or step and delete my number. Latin girls look at guys as soft if you don't take control and be a strong male.Actually I favor your "needing a chica to act right, knowing she will be treated right" concept. I always preferred that here in the states and I value that concept abroad. But the problem has been, most women I have encountered have mostly been poor women without jobs and not much education. I also suspect that enough of them already had boyfriends there in the DR and / or abroad. To find a chica that acted right under those circumstances is like trying to find a needle in a haystack. And once you opened the door to helping them, their needs and expectations would become greater and greater.

I'm pretty sure if I concentrated my energies on women who were the exception, especially those who are living productive lives day to day, I would find a different caliber of women willing to act right. Hard to find that in the p4p arena. I recall you saying before you were growing tired of mongering. I can understand that, especially if you have enjoyed so many beautiful women, but most encounters were meaningless. But like my buddy and I were discussing recently. Whatever we want at the moment is usually the opposite of what we currently have. There are times when I thought being wifed up with a cool honey would be fulfilling. Until I realized I also miss having that variety, and the main thing. THE THRILL OF THE HUNT. I guess playing the mind games with these chicas is my form of keeping the game interesting instead of boring. I wouldnt say I have a lot of patience. I think my strength is, I have been the victor in many of the encounters that have been presented to me. I suffered little or no damage except perhaps time wasted. But I also valued those instances as learning tools. And I still regard myself as somewhat of a student monger. Willing to help others. If I truly want a chica who knows how to act, I know I'm going to have to meet chicas who fit certain criterior right off the bat.

At the moment, I'm working on a pretty nice young lady who lives in San Pedro. She's one of the 1st women I've met that actually has a job and her own apt. Up to this point, I commend her, because I have known her as long as the Dom cupid chica, and she hasnt cracked on me for money or favors. More importantly has not over whelmed me with all of her problems. YET. Dealing with chicas is like being the steer in a rodeo. Each chica gets on and tries to ride you, but eventually you have to buck them off. One of these days I'll encounter one who'll go the distance riding this bronco. If she can last that long, and is sincere, she deserves being treated right.

[Mr Gogo]

Actually I favor your "needing a chica to act right, knowing she will be treated right" concept. I always preferred that here in the states and I value that concept abroad. But the problem has been, most women I have encountered have mostly been poor women without jobs and not much education. I also suspect that enough of them already had boyfriends there in the DR and / or abroad. To find a chica that acted right under those circumstances is like trying to find a needle in a haystack. And once you opened the door to helping them, their needs and expectations would become greater and greater.

I'm pretty sure if I concentrated my energies on women who were the exception, especially those who are living productive lives day to day, I would find a different caliber of women willing to act right. Hard to find that in the p4p arena. I recall you saying before you were growing tired of mongering. I can understand that, especially if you have enjoyed so many beautiful women, but most encounters were meaningless. But like my buddy and I were discussing recently. Whatever we want at the moment is usually the opposite of what we currently have. There are times when I thought being wifed up with a cool honey would be fulfilling. Until I realized I also miss having that variety, and the main thing. THE THRILL OF THE HUNT. I guess playing the mind games with these chicas is my form of keeping the game interesting instead of boring. I wouldn't say I have a lot of patience...I guess my problem is that I was broken in when the girls were GFE in 2007. They stayed with you for your whole vacation and didn't want anything except to be able to tell their families and friends that they had a boyfriend. Nowadays its a different game. I loved the fact that I could get on a plane and disconnect. I have trust issues with females, so sometimes I can come off as cold. If they stayed with me through my bullshit, I knew I had a keeper. Day trips to Cabarette, hanging at the clubs and breakfast after an all night session were part of my routine. The girls appreciated my time. Back then they weren't trying to be hourly tricks.

I would eventually get bored with them and cheat but in the DR its ecpected. They would talk shit but I could always weasel my way back in. I can be extra romantic and sweet when I need to double back after fucking up. Thats how it was back then.

Maybe that's why I'm getting tired of the game, , because the girls arent playing my games anymore LOL.

[Mr Gogo]

Venencia on Pasteur is closed.

[Wrx2005]

I guess my problem is that I was broken in when the girls were GFE in 2007. They stayed with you for your whole vacation and didn't want anything except to be able to tell their families and friends that they had a boyfriend. Nowadays its a different game. I loved the fact that I could get on a plane and disconnect. I have trust issues with females, so sometimes I can come off as cold. If they stayed with me through my bullshit, I knew I had a keeper. Day trips to Cabarette, hanging at the clubs and breakfast after an all night session were part of my routine. The girls appreciated my time. Back then they weren't trying to be hourly tricks.

I would eventually get bored with them and cheat but in the DR its ecpected. They would talk shit but I could always weasel my way back in. I can be extra romantic and sweet when I need to double back after fucking up. Thats how it was back then.

Maybe that's why I'm getting tired of the game, , because the girls arent playing my games anymore LOL.Going back to what you said earlier. You mentioned "Latin girls look at guys as soft if you don't take control and be a strong male." I wanted to talk about this but got side tracked. IMO, ordinarily, me seemingly dealing with chicas nonsense may appear like I'm being soft or not in control. Which in essence should make me a target with DR women.

But I look at it differently. My game is to allow them to get crushed by their own game. I do that by changing my usual frontal reaction to shit, and instead offer a passive non response and let them think they are getting over or bamboozling me. Typically we are conditioned to tackle opposition head on. But what happens if you just let shit happen? Don't let them know what you are thinking, don't let them know what you are doing? They will develop a false sense of security that they got you hooked. Until they realize soon enough that they don't really have anything to show for all that effort they put in trying to convince you of something.

Remember the Godfather? I forget which one, but there was a scene in one where Michael Corleone told his brother Alfredo never to let people know what you were thinking. The idea was, if you broadcast your thoughts for all to see, your enemies can use that against you. It's better to conceal what you know, conceal what you think, so your opposers will take more risks and expose themselves trying to counter the unknown. Just like that Dom cupid chica. She really thought I was deeply into her, since I did some things with her. Like took her to Baileys and watch her eat a steak, bought her kids pizza, met her in Cabarete and paid for food there, eventually had sex, and her watching me bust a nut. All of those things give most women the idea that you are hooked. Even if we never met, to her I'm some older cat that is more likely than not, to do just about anything to have a younger woman pay him some attention.

So whatever she was thinking about me, I let her think whatever she wanted to think. By the time we were done, she didn't get very far. Because her intended goal was to catch a sucker willing to pay and pay for every problem she claimed she had. Instead. She got nothing, except shock and possible embarrassment. Thats why she stopped all communication with me, which I anticipated once I was ready to get off of her ride. She didn't know where to go. I've since seen her back on Cupid. Now as far as how I appear to her.

In the beginning she may have assumed I was soft because I didn't offer her a typical GTFOHWTS response. But IMO, I did more damage by drawing her into a false sense of security and then springing it on her with a response she least suspected.

Now is the time where I get my props for taking control, at the end instead of in the beginning. This way it's reinforced who is really in control. When done early, they may not get to see it as strength because the dismissal happens too quick. I think they look at it as a conditioned response, and not necessarily a man in control. In my case, I'm just waiting a little longer for the payoff. That approach may not be in the monger repetoire. But it works for me. I do think mixing up responses is good too. Sometimes a quick dismissal of bullshit is surely called for in many instances. Thats why I use the expression, we are playing chess with these chicas not checkers. Some tactics may need to be modified to go with the situation.

[Wrx2005]

Let me add. In no way am I dealing with only one chica while all of their BS plays out. I'm multi-tasking, by also working plan B, ready to drop plan A, start up with plan C, and entertain plan D if plan B doesn't work out. And so on.

[Wrx2005]

Remember the chica I had a rendevous with that lived there? I could have blasted her for lying about her phone being damaged, and for being late telling me she couldn't come. But what would that do for me? Not much. I let her think her lie worked. I didn't even mention to her that I spoke to a dude who answered her phone. I just let that shit go. Now, she may think I'm soft, maybe even stupid. But I know better. And the next night she got a taste of her own BS when I allowed her to make it all the way to Puerto Plata (from Esperanza to see me) , but never answered my phone. Never told her and she never asked prior what hotel I was staying at in Sosua. Never called her, until I responded to her text the next day. In that instance, the payoff of who was in control occurred later rather than sooner. If it happens again, I'll deal with it accordingly. Just today she sent me a text saying Hola. The need for dollars prevails. With her track record, next time we have a date, I will give her the wrong hotel until I know she is close to me.

[Revere]

venencia on pasteur is closed.mr. gogo this is a big deal in my opinion as they have got them for **** trafficking as it says it on the form posted on the club. what i would like to know did they arrest the clients inside the club. mani domii said the clients inside were also taking in as well. what did they arrest them for. so, now you can get arrested for going into a club that has **** girls working in there and you do not know there is **** girls working in this place, but you get arrested even though you did not know.

[Mr Gogo]

mr. gogo this is a big deal in my opinion as they have got them for **** trafficking as it says it on the form posted on the club. what i would like to know did they arrest the clients inside the club. mani domii said the clients inside were also taking in as well. what did they arrest them for. so, now you can get arrested for going into a club that has **** girls working in there and you do not know there is **** girls working in this place, but you get arrested even though you did not know.from what i hear some clients were arrested. i know more about this being that i'm friends with one of the other casa owners, but he told me "for my ears only". so i can't talk to much except to say that maybe they were the fall guy because pressure was mounting about something being done about pasteur.

[Frannie]

mr. gogo this is a big deal in my opinion as they have got them for **** trafficking as it says it on the form posted on the club. what i would like to know did they arrest the clients inside the club. mani domii said the clients inside were also taking in as well. what did they arrest them for. so, now you can get arrested for going into a club that has **** girls working in there and you do not know there is **** girls working in this place, but you get arrested even though you did not know.best to call ahead and ask if they have any **** girls available, then plan accordingly!

[Mr Gogo]

By order of the tourist police and the mayor all open bars on Pedro Clisante must close views so walking families can't see inside. This is interesting because it was done 2 years ago and Willie and Latinos was the first to conform. D'Latins closed in will be hot as hell. Lets see what Willie does. Here is the link:

http://www.sosuanews.com/index.php?id=3448&article=1

[Mr Gogo]

From my sources, this jazz festival is very important for the North coast to put out their best effort. Major internation stars are expected. They don't want to offend the jazz crowd by displaying p4p. Major changes are already being put into effect (see post below).

[Sabor]

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo; 1466784]I have trust issues with females, so sometimes I can come off as cold. If they stayed with me through my bullshit, I knew I had a keeper. Day trips to Cabarette, hanging at the clubs and breakfast after an all night session were part of my routine. The girls appreciated my time. Back then they weren't trying to be hourly tricks / QUOTE]


I've seen you in action brother. Took notes too! Your not cold, your smooth! Chicas like this. Those that don't are hardened putas. Just my opinion.

[Mr Gogo]

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo; 1466784]I have trust issues with females, so sometimes I can come off as cold. If they stayed with me through my bullshit, I knew I had a keeper. Day trips to Cabarette, hanging at the clubs and breakfast after an all night session were part of my routine. The girls appreciated my time. Back then they weren't trying to be hourly tricks / QUOTE]I've seen you in action brother. Took notes too! Your not cold, your smooth! Chicas like this. Those that don't are hardened putas. Just my opinion.The legendary Sabor, player of the year winner. Man I've seen guys checking out of the New Gardens pissed because the guy in 38 (Sabor) has been fucking loudly all night long LOL. That day with you and kutha in the bario in Puerto Plata will always be one of favorites.

[TomJackin]

By order of the tourist police and the mayor all open bars on Pedro Clisante must close views so walking families can't see inside. This is interesting because it was done 2 years ago and Willie and Latinos was the first to conform. D'Latins closed in will be hot as hell. Lets see what Willie does. Here is the link:

http://www.sosuanews.com/index.php?id=3448&article=1My first trip to Sosua was in November 2010. The major crack down was in December 2010. When I returned in January 2011, Latino was all covered up with the rest of the places. It is already too damn hot in D'Latin, can't imagine the heat when it is closed up.

[TomJackin]

The article:

"By order of the tourist police and the mayor and aldermen of Sosúa, the bars, clubs and discos in the main street Pedro Clisante have to be closed again, so there is no view inside the establishment. From the street it should no longer be possible to see what goes on inside. This is an order of the government so families walking by will not be disturbed. The Pedro Clisante must not leave an inappropriate impression for strolling tourists with children in the evening. Source: Noticias ENN "

What fucking children?

What goes on inside? Are people fucking?

How do you close up Rumba?

[Frannie]

The article:

"By order of the tourist police and the mayor and aldermen of Sosúa, the bars, clubs and discos in the main street Pedro Clisante have to be closed again, so there is no view inside the establishment. From the street it should no longer be possible to see what goes on inside. This is an order of the government so families walking by will not be disturbed. The Pedro Clisante must not leave an inappropriate impression for strolling tourists with children in the evening. Source: Noticias ENN "

What fucking children?

What goes on inside? Are people fucking?

How do you close up Rumba?I was walking along Pedro Clissante early this evening accompanied by a child. We had a brief conversation with two elderly residents and one other child whom we knew near Meringue Bar. I ran into the lovely Selena outside one of the German bars and exchanged greetings. I observed local women and tourists modeling alcohol drinking and cigarette smoking behavior in view of children. There is a school (actually the oldest school in Sosua) located next to the Meringue Bar, so they may see people in bars when leaving school at 3:00 p. M, though there are not many at that unhappy hour.

You probably won't agree with this observation, but then you aren't looking at it from the viewpoint of a local parent. Quite a lot of internal Dominican tourism occurs with DOMINICAN families coming to Sosua to relax during school vacation periods, especially in the summer. You see busloads arriving at Casa Marina in buses towing trailers full of baggage.

Of course the thing about children is basically a political position, because no one can oppose the welfare of the children.

[Frannie]

From my sources, this jazz festival is very important for the North coast to put out their best effort. Major internation stars are expected. They don't want to offend the jazz crowd by displaying p4p. Major changes are already being put into effect (see post below).As a lifelong jazz fan I can reassure the tourism authorities that we will not take offense and that Charlie Mingus reputedly had 26 prostitutes in one sitting, and that jazz greats like Louis Armstrong started out playing in clubs of the legal prostitution zone of Storyville, New Orleans, and that Armstrong himself, arguably the founder of jazz soloing and jazz vocals was himself the son of a prostitute.

[Mr Enternational]

I was walking along Pedro Clissante early this evening accompanied by a child. I observed local women and tourists modeling alcohol drinking and cigarette smoking behavior in view of children. There is a school (actually the oldest school in Sosua) located next to the Meringue Bar, so they may see people in bars when leaving school at 3:00 p. M, though there are not many at that unhappy hour.

You probably won't agree with this observation, but then you aren't looking at it from the viewpoint of a local parent. Quite a lot of internal Dominican tourism occurs with DOMINICAN families coming to Sosua to relax during school vacation periods, especially in the summer.WTF? Aren't there bars and colmados everywhere where they sit chairs in the middle of the street or on the side walk and drink and smoke? So what is the freaking difference? Is it okay to see in their own neighborhoods and in their own families, but not in the two seconds they are passing a location while walking home from school?

The article:

"By order of the tourist police and the mayor and aldermen of Sosúa, the bars, clubs and discos in the main street Pedro Clisante have to be closed again, so there is no view inside the establishment. From the street it should no longer be possible to see what goes on inside."
What goes on inside? Are people fucking? If it's left up to you and Deep there will be people fucking inside!

[Western787]

WTF? Aren't there bars and colmados everywhere where they sit chairs in the middle of the street or on the side walk and drink and smoke? So what is the freaking difference? Is it okay to see in their own neighborhoods and in their own families, but not in the two seconds they are passing a location while walking home from school?The worry seems to be that certain girls that used to work at Passions might be seen intermingling with bar patrons thus offending passing tourists and their children. Oh I forgot, nobody could actually see into Passions over at their location to be offended but they were shutdown anyways for having a menu and other alleged things. Its all getting quite confusing actually. I guess then they will just have to build a plywood wall sufficient to keep people from seeing in but open on top to let air flow thru, or some kind of lattice work to block the views or as a last resort the placing of specially trained talking parrots to tell onlookers to butt out and mind their own business.

[Western787]

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[Frannie]

WTF? Aren't there bars and colmados everywhere where they sit chairs in the middle of the street or on the side walk and drink and smoke? So what is the freaking difference? Is it okay to see in their own neighborhoods and in their own families, but not in the two seconds they are passing a location while walking home from school?In the US they have all kinds of zoning laws and Rumba bar would not be allowed to do business near a school. As I posted a while ago, once on Pedro Clissanted I overheard a small girl, aged I guess 4 or 5 say to her mother: "Mummy, what are all those women doing?" Mother replied "They come here to drink alcohol". Child's response: "When I am grown up, I want to come here and drink alcohol." Mother: "Come on, let's get a motoconcho."

[Manny51]

In the US they have all kinds of zoning laws and Rumba bar would not be allowed to do business near a school. As I posted a while ago, once on Pedro Clissanted I overheard a small girl, aged I guess 4 or 5 say to her mother: "Mummy, what are all those women doing?" Mother replied "They come here to drink alcohol". Child's response: "When I am grown up, I want to come here and drink alcohol." Mother: "Come on, let's get a motoconcho."I agree with your position. When I visited Sosua a month ago, I saw too many parents with young children walking around. I am not talking about infants or kids too young to understand what was going on around them, but 10-12 year olds. Both tourist children and locals. It didn't sit well with me.

I am not judging the hobby or those who partake. But lets at least advocate for some discretion in public. Having the venues enclosed is probably a good thing. Fighting this kind of reasonable request is exactly the type of move that gets the whole area shut down. We may be visiting, but people live and work there.

[Shamester]

These articles are great to understand the government's direction toward tourism and global image.

Too many gringos only care about themselves. What about my fun? Respect what Puerto Plata gov is attempting to do and figure-out how to work around it.

[Mr Enternational]

In the US they have all kinds of zoning laws and Rumba bar would not be allowed to do business near a school.Not in Texas they don't! http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-26/texas-town-s-blast-crater-shows-risk-from-patchwork-zoning-laws.html

[Mr Gogo]

As I said before, the guys that have branched out and learned Spanish will still have success. The girls will still be in the DR fucking but the hot spots have cooled off. If you are relying on casas and street walkers, your supply line might be limited.

These adjustments have been coming for the last 3 years so guys have had ample tume to cultivate other locals. Only blame yourself if you put all your eggs in the Sosua basket. Let Sosua have their tourists with kids and the family atmosphere. I will still be at the beach under an umbrella getting a mani / pedi while sipping a presidente. I'm sure pussy will be walking by, or I can just check my phone for pussy. I've got SD, Cabarette, Puerto Plata and all the gringo-less towns between.

Frannie makes a good point about that school next door to Merengue. I always felt it was a strange location considering all the shit going on only steps away. Mr E also makes a good point about the DR always having the reputation of a wild freefall, type of place. Now they want to appear wholesome. But I've always said"The only sense in the DR is that thete is none". Nothing ever makes since in the DR.

[SavePros321]

Not in Texas they don't!

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-26/texas-town-s-blast-crater-shows-risk-from-patchwork-zoning-laws.htmlSkip to 1:20 in the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on-M7z_xFBE

[Mr Gogo]

Someone sent me a PM who lives there and said everyone is missing what is really happening. He explained; Prostitution is legal and the girls are always going to be having babies and like fucking, so the p4p trade will always exist. He said this is all a smoke screen. With businesses closing and tourism going down so will the property values. This will enable certain business people with a long term plan to buy property cheap and wait to emplement their plan. We all know the success Classicos had and its still sitting vacant waiting to be re-born. Club X across the street has been empty for years. Four Roses has a nice club behind it that few know about.

He is basically saying Sosua is a gold mine waiting for the right plan. P4p will be in Sosuas future. He talked about a place similar to "Walking street " in Thailand. A place where p4p is accepted. They expect the "tourist plan" to fail. But its just about getting the property values down so they can buy cheap for now.

Anyone believe this?

[Mr Gogo]

It was too much for him.

http://www.pattayadailynews.com/en/2013/09/05/violent-naked-american-tourist/

[Shamester]

Someone sent me a PM who lives there and said everyone is missing what is really happening. He explained; Prostitution is legal and the girls are always going to be having babies and like fucking, so the p4p trade will always exist. He said this is all a smoke screen. With businesses closing and tourism going down so will the property values. This will enable certain business people with a long term plan to buy property cheap and wait to emplement their plan. We all know the success Classicos had and its still sitting vacant waiting to be re-born. Club X across the street has been empty for years. Four Roses has a nice club behind it that few know about.

He is basically saying Sosua is a gold mine waiting for the right plan. P4p will be in Sosuas future. He talked about a place similar to "Walking street " in Thailand. A place where p4p is accepted. They expect the "tourist plan" to fail. But its just about getting the property values down so they can buy cheap for now.

Anyone believe this?Very interesting conspiracy theory.

Yes, I buy into closing businesses in order to lower property values, allowing the local "mafia" to purchase properties at significantly lower prices. This is normal island style business corruption.

No, I do not buy into the transformation of an Amesterdam / Thailand style of sex shops.

Firmly maintain the gov is attempting a conversion to the higher end lucrative cruise ship tourist market. This requires decades of building infrastructure along with educating and training citizens.

[Manny51]

As I said before, the guys that have branched out and learned Spanish will still have success. The girls will still be in the DR fucking but the hot spots have cooled off. If you are relying on casas and street walkers, your supply line might be limited.

Frannie makes a good point about that school next door to Merengue. I always felt it was a strange location considering all the shit going on only steps away. Mr E also makes a good point about the DR always having the reputation of a wild freefall, type of place. Now they want to appear wholesome. But I've always said"The only sense in the DR is that thete is none". Nothing ever makes since in the DR.Mr. Gogo,

I think that what the Dominican people want, and I would think sensible, is some kind of middle ground.

The first time that I went to Sosua, it battered my expectations somewhat. I had expected a Pattaya-like, unabashed red-light district and it definitely is not. There are respectable restaurants, banks, and other businesses there. There is also Sosua Playa, which it seems like many local families use as well.

I think that many gringos WANT it to be like Pattaya, someplace that can morph into a full-blown adult playground at night, then back to a family place in the daytime, but it will never be. For one thing, Pattaya is much bigger, so it is easier to separate a red light neighborhood. Secondly, it seems that the local people just don't want it to turn into Pattaya. The beach there is a very convenient public park. The locals understand the economics of it; that such nightlife is a big draw to bring tourists and tourists dollars. But they want to be able to use it too without being made to feel uncomfortable. I don't think that I would like it if a bunch of shameless brothel bars opened up on Ocean Drive in South Beach.

What's wrong with just moving things indoors? Or they could just surround those big clubs with one of those stylish, bamboo, tiki-style walls / fences? Any punter that rants and whines about why it can't be so openly x-rated just doesn't respect the dominican people.

As to the rumour about waiting until prices drop so that they can build an adult playground, that will never happen. Any development that completely compromises the dignity of the community will always get shut down. Especially in countrys where local govt officials and police can do whatever they want, and property rights aren't respected like they are in the US. If local business owners want to build an adult playground, they should build it away from the beach. Perhaps on the other side of that main road. That way, punters can still visit the beach in the day. I am sure that that land is much cheaper than the beachside property. And punters don't care. If they are willing to $40 USD for a taxi to the middle of nowhere in Costambar to go to ONE resort (BB) , I don't think they will mind walking across a street to visit a whole bunch of them.

In addition, I think that the local tourism board's prediction of future growth in non-punter tourism is accurate. When I visited Cabarete, I was surprised how much it had developed since my last visit 4 years ago. The kiteboarding/windsurfing community is really taking off there. I surf and windsurf, and I can tell you that as a kiteboarding locale, it is undoubtedly world class. The hq of the international kiteboarding assoc is in Cabarete.

In order for punter businesses to thrive, which I have no doubt they will, they need to move to somewhere closely accessible but not in the direct line of sight -- a classical red-light district. FOD has the right idea. Close, but not too close.

[Frannie]

Mr. Gogo,

I think that what the Dominican people want, and I would think sensible, is some kind of middle ground.

The first time that I went to Sosua, it battered my expectations somewhat. I had expected a Pattaya-like, unabashed red-light district and it definitely is not. There are respectable restaurants, banks, and other businesses there. There is also Sosua Playa, which it seems like many local families use as well.

I think that many gringos WANT it to be like Pattaya, someplace that can morph into a full-blown adult playground at night, then back to a family place in the daytime, but it will never be. For one thing, Pattaya is much bigger, so it is easier to separate a red light neighborhood. Secondly, it seems that the local people just don't want it to turn into Pattaya. The beach there is a very convenient public park. The locals understand the economics of it; that such nightlife is a big draw to bring tourists and tourists dollars. But they want to be able to use it too without being made to feel uncomfortable. I don't think that I would like it if a bunch of shameless brothel bars opened up on Ocean Drive in South Beach.

What's wrong with just moving things indoors? Or they could just surround those big clubs with one of those stylish, bamboo, tiki-style walls / fences? Any punter that rants and whines about why it can't be so openly x-rated just doesn't respect the dominican people.

As to the rumour about waiting until prices drop so that they can build an adult playground, that will never happen. Any development that completely compromises the dignity of the community will always get shut down. Especially in countrys where local govt officials and police can do whatever they want, and property rights aren't respected like they are in the US. If local business owners want to build an adult playground, they should build it away from the beach. Perhaps on the other side of that main road. That way, punters can still visit the beach in the day. I am sure that that land is much cheaper than the beachside property. And punters don't care. If they are willing to $40 USD for a taxi to the middle of nowhere in Costambar to go to ONE resort (BB) , I don't think they will mind walking across a street to visit a whole bunch of them.

In addition, I think that the local tourism board's prediction of future growth in non-punter tourism is accurate. When I visited Cabarete, I was surprised how much it had developed since my last visit 4 years ago. The kiteboarding / windsurfing community is really taking off there. I surf and windsurf, and I can tell you that as a kiteboarding locale, it is undoubtedly world class. The hq of the international kiteboarding assoc is in Cabarete.

In order for punter businesses to thrive, which I have no doubt they will, they need to move to somewhere closely accessible but not in the direct line of sight. A classical red-light district. FOD has the right idea. Close, but not too close.Good points. I was at Cabarete beach on Saturday and counted more than 60 kite board rigs on the water at one point.

If Sosua was in the US and prostitution was legal in the US, there would be illuminated billboards all along the carretera from Puerto Plata saying: "F & S only 1500 pesos, free condom, towel, and soap. Daily Pussy Health Checks-guaranteed clean. Take third exit to left." but the DR is just not that kind of a place culturally.

[OldKool]

Prostitution is viewed differently in the DR / Local guys are 90% of the puta customers. Sosua is not changing and the competition for tourist dollars for the North coast is Punta cana. And the other Carribean beaches. Sosua is a very nice beach but it is not exceptional.


Good points. I was at Cabarete beach on Saturday and counted more than 60 kite board rigs on the water at one point.

If Sosua was in the US and prostitution was legal in the US, there would be illuminated billboards all along the carretera from Puerto Plata saying: "F & S only 1500 pesos, free condom, towel, and soap. Daily Pussy Health Checks-guaranteed clean. Take third exit to left." but the DR is just not that kind of a place culturally.

[Manny51]

Prostitution is viewed differently in the DR / Local guys are 90% of the puta customers. Sosua is not changing and the competition for tourist dollars for the North coast is Punta cana. And the other Carribean beaches. Sosua is a very nice beach but it is not exceptional.Just because many local guys are customers doesn't mean that the community embraces it. It just means that they tolerate it as a necessary evil of society. That doesn't mean that they want it in their face, and in the wide open for children to see. Just like Germany or Amsterdam, they want it hidden or in specially designated areas. Any local mayor worth his own salt will always stand for decency and take public action to prove it.

And Punta Cana is way far away. That's on the east coast. I don't imagine that most dominicans can afford cars or plane tickets. They probably want a decent beach near restaurants that that is close to where they live.

[OldKool]

Most locals can not afford the resorts. The competition is for tourist dollars. The North coast can not compete with Punta Cana. Sosua knows where its bread is buttered. Rumba is not an eye sore or a bad place in the early evening. It has a few guys and girls sitting an chatting. It does not get rolling until after 6 pm. Prior to that their is nothing that little kids can not see. Drinking beer is not a PG thing in the DR. I have seen nothing to indicate the locals are up in arms over the mongers. Possible some one who has competitive business interest may be trying to put a damper on mongering. Mongers are the back bone of the Sosua economy. The hotels and restaurants all depend on monger money for survival. When monger money drys up people in Sosau will go hungry and they know it. The Putas are buying groceries and other services.


Just because many local guys are customers doesn't mean that the community embraces it. It just means that they tolerate it as a necessary evil of society. That doesn't mean that they want it in their face, and in the wide open for children to see. Just like Germany or Amsterdam, they want it hidden or in specially designated areas. Any local mayor worth his own salt will always stand for decency and take public action to prove it.

And Punta Cana is way far away. That's on the east coast. I don't imagine that most dominicans can afford cars or plane tickets. They probably want a decent beach near restaurants that that is close to where they live.

[Western787]

Someone sent me a PM who lives there and said everyone is missing what is really happening. He explained; Prostitution is legal and the girls are always going to be having babies and like fucking, so the p4p trade will always exist. He said this is all a smoke screen. With businesses closing and tourism going down so will the property values. This will enable certain business people with a long term plan to buy property cheap and wait to emplement their plan. We all know the success Classicos had and its still sitting vacant waiting to be re-born. Club X across the street has been empty for years. Four Roses has a nice club behind it that few know about.

He is basically saying Sosua is a gold mine waiting for the right plan. P4p will be in Sosuas future. He talked about a place similar to "Walking street " in Thailand. A place where p4p is accepted. They expect the "tourist plan" to fail. But its just about getting the property values down so they can buy cheap for now.

Anyone believe this?Not sure about running property values down or not, but we do know the the USA desperately (especially the heavily populated east coast) needs an offshore fast access P4P destination, ideally with a warm climate and some half way decent beaches, and Sosua is about as well situated as it gets. It would also be a real plus to get some kind of formal health checks going, and finally some honest western MSM media reporting of how the NGO's in their quest for funding have distorted and massively exaggerated the entire worldwide issue of so-called "[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908). If the female is 18 or over and is of sound mind and gives lawful consent, then the presumption should be she is not trafficked, which in fact is the old rule, which the NGO's have gotten away with in recent years of having the term mean anything they want it to mean.

Sosua could be a gold mine with the right plan. I agree with that statement.

[Western787]

Someone sent me a PM who lives there and said everyone is missing what is really happening. He explained; Prostitution is legal and the girls are always going to be having babies and like fucking, so the p4p trade will always exist. He said this is all a smoke screen. With businesses closing and tourism going down so will the property values. This will enable certain business people with a long term plan to buy property cheap and wait to emplement their plan. We all know the success Classicos had and its still sitting vacant waiting to be re-born. Club X across the street has been empty for years. Four Roses has a nice club behind it that few know about.

He is basically saying Sosua is a gold mine waiting for the right plan. P4p will be in Sosuas future. He talked about a place similar to "Walking street " in Thailand. A place where p4p is accepted. They expect the "tourist plan" to fail. But its just about getting the property values down so they can buy cheap for now.

Anyone believe this?Not sure about running property values down or not, but we do know the the USA desperately (especially the heavily populated east coast) needs an offshore fast access P4P destination, ideally with a warm climate and some half way decent beaches, and Sosua is about as well situated as it gets. It would also be a real plus to get some kind of formal health checks going, and finally some honest western MSM media reporting of how the NGO's in their quest for funding have distorted and massively exaggerated the entire worldwide issue of so-called "[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908). If the female is 18 or over and is of sound mind and gives lawful consent, then the presumption should be she is not trafficked, which in fact is the old rule, which the NGO's have gotten away in recent years of having the term mean anything they want it to mean.

Sosua could be a gold mine with the right plan. I agree with that statement.

[Ave White Boy]

I was speaking with a friend that has lived in Sosua for a while, he was telling me what I thought so far seems most credible story about recent closures. It would appear the capital has been doing some accounting and maybe some investigation into the taxes and fees collected in the city. Appears La Capital believes they are not getting the proper "income" from the activities in the area and thus shut down several of these businesses. From what I understood it is the National police under instruction from the authorities in Santo Domingo.

It appears new licensing procedures / fees may be coming for any new business owned with said fees being paid directly to La Capital authorities.

At least that's how I understood it. It's usually about money some way some how. This would explain that aspect if true.

I will be down in a few weeks, Sept 25 for ten days, for now it seems business as usual.

Later,

Ave

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[Mr Gogo]

I was speaking with a friend that has lived in Sosua for a while, he was telling me what I thought so far seems most credible story about recent closures. It would appear the capital has been doing some accounting and maybe some investigation into the taxes and fees collected in the city. Appears La Capital believes they are not getting the proper "income" from the activities in the area and thus shut down several of these businesses. From what I understood it is the National police under instruction from the authorities in Santo Domingo.

It appears new licensing procedures / fees may be coming for any new business owned with said fees being paid directly to La Capital authorities.

At least that's how I understood it. It's usually about money some way some how. This would explain that aspect if true.

I will be down in a few weeks, Sept 25 for ten days, for now it seems business as usual.

Later,

AveSo in other words la Capital is saying they need more grease money? Anyone who opens a business in the DR knows that palms start coming from every angle when they open a business. The only thing Dominicans want more than money is control, foreigners are always at an disadvantage.

[Charles Pooter]

Appears La Capital believes they are not getting the proper "income" from the activities in the area and thus shut down several of these businesses.Not sure what you mean by "La Capital", but could be an element of truth in this in that Sosua is one of the few places in the country not controlled by the PLD so maybe not enough of the payola which business owners have to pay is getting through to the PLD.

[Combo]

Prostitution is viewed differently in the DR / Local guys are 90% of the puta customers. Sosua is not changing and the competition for tourist dollars for the North coast is Punta cana. And the other Carribean beaches. Sosua is a very nice beach but it is not exceptional.While Dominicanos are indeed 90%+ of the puta customers, that activity is not nearly as "in your face" as the tourist mongers.

It's worth mentioning that our hobby (sex vacation) only thrives in locales where mongering is highly practiced by the local men.

[Brother P]

Not sure what you mean by "La Capital", but could be an element of truth in this in that Sosua is one of the few places in the country not controlled by the PLD so maybe not enough of the payola which business owners have to pay is getting through to the PLD.What exactly is the PLD? Some kind of government shakedown team? Hope you've been well!

[Ave White Boy]

So in other words la Capital is saying they need more grease money? Anyone who opens a business in the DR knows that palms start coming from every angle when they open a business. The only thing Dominicans want more than money is control, foreigners are always at an disadvantage.From what he said, they seemed to have come to the conclusion, whomever was collecting the licensing fees and taxes that were supposed to be collected were guilty of either not collecting fees or, not forwarding these fees to the "state" government. Now the "state" will be collecting those directly.

Admittedly I have no clue about how the Dominican government is structured, you guys with more knowledge, business owners, should know more about this.

I just don't want to go to jail for talking to a girl in Sosua, sounds like that's not what this is about.

Happy days will probably continue on many more years there, at least we can hope.

[Frannie]

What exactly is the PLD? Some kind of government shakedown team? Hope you've been well!El Partido de la Liberación Dominicana, the ruling political party of President Danilo.

[Ave White Boy]

Not sure what you mean by "La Capital", but could be an element of truth in this in that Sosua is one of the few places in the country not controlled by the PLD so maybe not enough of the payola which business owners have to pay is getting through to the PLD.I am not sure what I mean by "La Capital" either, state police, National Government Representatives? It just sounded like, once Danila got in office, his administration did some sort of audit and found out the little town of Sosua wasn't collecting or forwarding these fees to the proper departments and now they have taken the current actions.

[Mr Gogo]

For those guys that can't seem to keep a girl, here is some advice from Gogo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uldt6Y-CE3s

[Mr Gogo]

I've been reading about incidents of girls drugging guys on the Thailand board, heads up fellas. Maybe its a good time to now go over the basics;

1. Always make a new girl take a shower (with you). Girls have been know to coat the breasts or neck with drugs to incapacitate guys.

2. Don't let a new girl fix you a drink in your room.

3. When eating out with a new girl, go to the restroom before the food arrives. Never leave a new girl alone with your food.

4. Be nice to bartenders, they might be the one to save your ass or give you a tip about a hustler.

5. Don't do drugs or associate with girls that do. Guilty by association.

6. Be careful of girls wanting to leave your room and come right back, usually that signals a drug run.

Heads up fellas.

[Frannie]

I've been reading about incidents of girls drugging guys on the Thailand board, heads up fellas. Maybe its a good time to now go over the basics;

1). Always make a new girl take a shower (with you). Girls have been know to coat the breasts or neck with drugs to incapacitate guys.

2). Don't let a new girl fix you a drink in your room.

3). When eating out with a new girl, go to the restroom before the food arrives. Never leave a new girl alone with your food.

4). Be nice to bartenders, they might be the one to save your ass or give you a tip about a hustler.

5). Don't do drugs or associate with girls that do. Guilty by association.

6). Be careful of girls wanting to leave your room and come right back, usually that signals a drug run.

Heads up fellas.Probably urban myths, because if you are trying to dope someone with something like temazepam or Ambien, the problem of dosage titration sufficient to incapacitate the person, yet insufficient to kill them or put them into a coma where they choke on their own vomit is so hard to gauge that I would not believe these stories unless they are linked to stories of monger deaths through drugging. In the case of a girl coating her own skin with a drug there would be the additional problem that she might incapacitate herself first by the drug being absorbed through the skin.

Anyway your ideas are thoughtful, and there is certainly no harm in taking a shower together, but make sure you don't get water in your mouth or you could end up with giardiasis and / or gastritis!

[Mr Gogo]

Probably urban myths, because if you are trying to dope someone with something like temazepam or Ambien, the problem of dosage titration sufficient to incapacitate the person, yet insufficient to kill them or put them into a coma where they choke on their own vomit is so hard to gauge that I would not believe these stories unless they are linked to stories of monger deaths through drugging. In the case of a girl coating her own skin with a drug there would be the additional problem that she might incapacitate herself first by the drug being absorbed through the skin.

Anyway your ideas are thoughtful, and there is certainly no harm in taking a shower together, but make sure you don't get water in your mouth or you could end up with giardiasis and / or gastritis!You are taking the scientific approach, but its other basic ways that guys might not be used to. There is a new drug called "molly" that is hot here in Florida and "extasy". The effect these drugs have is a high that non-users might be disoriented. Even a girl coming out of the bathroom with cocaine on her nipple and putting her breast in your mouth might have an effect. One time I accidentally at refer brownies and the next thing I know is that I'm sweating, dancing, laughing in front of my mirror home alone.

I just want guys to be careful and not throw caution to the wind. Regarding these type of tricks the girls are more savy than most of us.

There is a story about this standup guy that is a friend of Mr E in the Thailand forum. The guy doesn't do drugs and barely drinks but he was roaming the streets naked and sweating. I don't think he thought it was "urban myth" when he was handcuffed and thrown in jail.

[Mr Gogo]

hanging with jaososua 09.

arrived sdq noon thursday 23rd. after getting luggage they have this long runway with people on both side's waiting. it's the closest i'll get to being a celebrity. at the end of the runway i see a guy holding an advertisement for gogo taxi. my stupid ass smiled thinking someone sent a taxi for me. the problem with that is no one knew i was coming. passed gogo taxi and negoitiated a 35usd taxi ride to palacio.

i tried to write direction's down, ocean on left, past naval academy. then he went thru a maze of one way, over the hill, do a you-turn street's. arrive palacio hotel at 1pm. great hotel, nice owner, courteous employee's. the ancient design with modern decor was fabulous. well worth 62 a night. went to el conde then the park to people watch. (damn i'm writing this as i travel metro bus sd-sosua, and all these fine chick's just got off at santiago). anyway left the park and got a call from jaososua. hooked up with him and he gave me the tour. stopped at 360, gpb, la prada, lapus etc.

club 360 had 10 girls mostly 7-9s. cuba libre was 150 peso's, girl's had great attitude's and the owner was helpfull. girl's were going for 3000p tln. jazmine was my favorite and kept wearing my sunglasses and looking like j-lo. jao kept entertaining the girl's with his latin dancing.

left 360 and went to gpb. six girl's dressed in hula outfit's. all were fine but it was an average girl playing the back. claudia. 6 feet tall, light skinned with dick sucking lip's. president'e beer was 100p. claudia quoted me 5k peso's (what) then dropped to 4k (what). jao and i stayed an hour, danced, drank, and enjoyed the eye candy.

then we went back to 360 for a refill then out to eat. jao is like a machine, just fucking and drinking all day without eating. i had to beg him for a food break.

jao and i hooked up with a couple newyork boy's outside 360 and we all went clubbing. club attaranza had a 300p cover and was packed. jao and the ny boy's headed to the crowded bar and stood in line for drink's. i don't like being packed in i need room to maneuver. so i asked a waitress where the female's bathroom was. she looked at me crazy and pointed left. see i post up outside the female's bathroom and see them coming and going, they have to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140). jao had a girl coming to meet him with her aunt. his girl was fine and the aunt was okay but i used this as my excuse to hunt around the jaragua casino limit's.

i was determined to pay under 3000p for a piece of ass. my last sd trip i got a street walked with school teacher's glasses for 1500p. caught a cab to girl house, but fuck that place i had a dead fish from there two year's ago. walked past gh and hung a left at the corner. a fat chick walked up smiling and asked for 3000p, on the street. i walked another 200 yard's and couldn't believe my eye's. it was the teacher girl from two tear's ago. i asked her to stick out her tongue (she has a 6 inch tongue) and that verified it. she wanted 3000p so we exchanged number's so she can be an option later. i walk another 100 yard's and i see siloute in the darkness. we i get ten feet from her she turn's around and it's a dude. i stumble as i change direction's. i go to laprada and this is where the night get's better. no cover, cuba libre is 250p, and girl's everywhere. shit they had a stripper pole that the girl's were working hard. i started tipping the girl's 100p notes and i was getting a double lap dance. i started buying them the drink's and they said the price dropped to 3mil after midnight.

so i went back to the street's and unknowingly walked right into lapus. i see three chick's dancing on the stage so i have a seat. suddenly 7 chic"s surround me, i say"estoy tranquillo" and all of the sudden i got 14 tittie's in my face. talking about speechless. after a couple drink's i pick maria, she say's 3mil, then the dj say's it's 1am and they are closing. i'm ready to make a counter offer when all the cic's run in the back like they have a curfew. i leave lapus realizing i just struck out in santo domingo. i call my school teacher girl but no answer. i catch a cab back to where claudia work's but she is gone. they offer other girl's in the 3-4mil range. at this point i'm like "fuck santo domingo" i'm catching the 7am metro bus to sosua anyway. don't get me wrong i'm no cheepo but over paying doesn't guarantee good service. iv'e had 1000p girl's fuck me all night and i give them 2500p for a job well done but la capital got game.

[Mr Gogo]

mr e shows me and bbl the soapie:my first soapie.

all of the group had our first soapie yesterday. mr e took us to a place on 2nd road. we parked the mopeds and walked into this elegant place that looked like a big ass casino. this place was pure class. all of the male employees are dressed in black pants and shirts. we settle at a table as there are only a few guys there. there are 50 beautiful girls sitting in bleacher seats dressed to a tee. we all order drinks as we are confused. my long island iced tea was 250 baht. everyone seems nervous as we are scared to make the first move. i hear one of my boys say he liked 152 to mr e. oh oh! that was my first choice. two minutes later she gets up and comes out as we all look at each other like wtf. a group of chinese dudes had snuck in and snatched our number 1 and number 2 choices. now the race is on friends becoming competitors. bbl and all the guys start snatching girls and my head is in a spin. just five minutes ago we were nervous and sipping our drinks. fuck!

i pic an older chic because her titties talked to me. i figure if i'm getting a soapie she better have great tits. she comes out and i'm excited. i pay for my drink and 2000baht for 90 minutes.

anna takes my hand and we go to the back. we enter a room that has a bed section, an oversized jacuzzi and a swimming pool float shapped like a blowup bed, in a separete area next to the jacuzzi. she puts on soft music and asks me to strip. i grab her tits and rub her ass as my dick grows. as with every thai girl this trip she says"you very big" (i'm no horse dicked brother but i'm no peewee either). anyway she walks away and draws the water in the jacuzzi. i walk over and get in this jacuzzi with hot water and my dick went into hidding. she hops in and then washes me with a sponge and a suddsy thing. she scrubs my chest, feet, legs, balls and dick. i sit back listening to the music completely relaxed. oh! i forgot to tell you the best; she had hair neatly trimmed on the top of her pussy. she starts sliding all over my body. she would grab my limp dick with suds on it and go down with her mouth open only to blow off the suds (complete tease). then she told me to lay on the blowup bed on the floor. she again started sliding all over me. then she did some wrestling moves. she put me in the scissors. then she slid under me facing me. the suds and the hairy pussy felt strange on my nuts and ass.

next, she put me back in the jacuzzi with some new water and rinsed me off and gave me a towel while pointing at the bed (i was now 40 minutes in). she grabs a hose and starts rinsing the suds away from our previous play area. i sit up in the bed watching this fine goddess and stroke my dick. she comes over and asks if she can smoke. i grab my ecig and we chit chat as she makes small talk. while she smokes i grab tit. she is giving us time to develope a comfort zone before sex (also killing my time). finally she starts to stoke me as we talk. my soldier was ready. she grabbed a condom (no bbbj but i wanted that hairy pussy). she puts oil on my dick then puts on the condom and lubes it. then she starts sucking. i grab her and pull her on top. then i fip her and i'm on top. when i fucked her hard she made painful faces so i slowed it down and she got comfortable. she kept fake cumming and i eventually got off. i still had 25 minutes left and she took me back to the jacuuzi for the final soapie wash down. i got her number before she walked me out as my body felt refreshed. i'm the last dude so all the guys are waiting on me. we are going to the soapie again before i leave.

[OldKool]

Let me repeat my self" I do not like casas" They want 3 mil or better for ST. The girls are not bad but they are fucking guys 6 days a week if they are lucky. Think you will get GFE fst chance. If I have a chica I am wifing up with SD is not bad. However freelancing there is a true crap shoot. I have a couple quaiity SWs that I call when in SD. I would love to hang out with Jao on my next trip. SD is his house and he runs that joint. For pure no fuss freelancing you can not beat Sosua.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo; 1470082]Hanging with Jaososua 09.

Arrived SDQ noon Thursday 23rd. After getting luggage they have this long runway with people on both side's waiting. It's the closest I'll get to being a celebrity. At the end of the runway I see a guy holding an advertisement for GoGo taxi. My stupid ass smiled thinking someone sent a taxi for me. The problem with that is no one knew I was coming. Passed GoGo taxi and negoitiated a 35usd taxi ride to Palacio.

[Frannie]

There is a new drug called "molly" that is hot here in Florida and "extasy". The effect these drugs have is a high that non-users might be disoriented. Even a girl coming out of the bathroom with cocaine on her nipple and putting her breast in your mouth might have an effect. One time I accidentally at refer brownies and the next thing I know is that I'm sweating, dancing, laughing in front of my mirror home alone."Molly" is just a purified version of ecstasy, and ecstasy has been used recreationally for at least 40 years. The drugs are similar to amphetamines, making people more alert, so unlikely to be used to drug and rob mongers. Ditto cocaine.

Exactly what drug has been used by prostitutes in Thailand to drug and rob mongers?

The story about the guy arrested in Thailand is a tribute to the poor judgment of the Thai cops, I would say, as the man should clearly have been taken to a hospital emergency room. He could have had a brain injury, or anything. It is incredibly dangerous to assume that someone "must have been drugged" when they are showing signs of neurological impairment, and even if they have been drugged very dangerous to handcuff them and throw them in a cell. Much better to strap them down in an Emergency Room, start an IV drip, and get some basic blood tests done immediately. Could make the difference between life and death.

Another precaution to add to Gogo's list would be to take your ladies to a hotel where they check the girl's ID and make a copy. That prevents a lot of this kind of thing and the hotel normally will not return the girl's ID until you give the OK.

[Mr Gogo]

Posted by Mr E yesterday in the Thailand forum:


Here is an email from today:

Yeah. I was down here with him. He was drugged by someone. He said he remembers seeing some strange looking people on the baht bus. One of them touches him. He pulls away and jumps off the bus and starts running. He doesn't know why he was running but he said he felt some people was chasing him. So he just kept running down Walking Street in Pattaya. He ran all the way down, got exhausted and took off all his clothes. Then went into a rage when a woman tried to help. Allegedly punched her and knocked out a tooth. Somewhere in between all that he allegedly made some damage in a hotel lobby. He was arrested, hit with a taser gun and taken to jail. We all pitched in and got bail for him. The toothless woman wanted 50,000 baht. The hotel wanted 20,000 baht. Now get this. No one ever saw damage to the hotel or security video. The woman never showed up at the jail to pick up her money. We did make them give us a receipt explaining everything was paid off from further mess coming up. But all he really remembers is that someone grabbed his arm, he jumping off the bus and running, then stripping. He remembers being tasered and put on the back of a truck to go to jail. Then he remembers gathering conscious inside a jail cell with only a towel on. While all this was going on, we was at a club waiting for him to show. We never knew all that went on until the next morning. Someone told us that there is a drug that they can rub on you and it will get into your system.