Mr Gogo in the Dominican Republic

[GrownMan1]

Okay so on this trip I roll with a wolf pack. Some younger cats from my hood that work with me. I know all their mothers and fathers. I there's about a 15-year generation gap. I have smoked with these boys and kicked it with them at work however we don't hang out. After work they go to their generation spots and I go to mine. Little homie street is about 25 he has been to the DR twice with me. This time he's brought three members of his wolf pack. Between Street and my influence those boys got their passport to go on this vacation in particular. Personally I know I have my work cut out for me. I'm the type of person that loves to see people having a good time. On this vacation I knew I would be doing less relaxing and more looking out for my homie. I also knew that I wasn't their fathers and they look at me as a big homie who mind his business. Each one of their parents came to me on different occasions and asked me to look out for them. My roaddog Ro and I tried to give them a class on the Dr 099. However I could never get them to come to class. We all are smokers so I suggested a smoke session at my crib prior to the trip. Only one came. Street didn't have to come because he has been there 3 times. Once I got the little homies on the Block in BC, the walk the area like they own it. Those hounds left me way behind. They went to walking like they knew where they were going. About the time I caught up with them. 1 hound was headed to the room with a random chica he just grabbed. They were on some just grab a bad ***** and take her to the room type of shit. Hold on timeout timeout what you think you going with her. Of course he was going to do a session. You should have seen the look of disappointment on his face when I told him hell no. Man you don't know this girl. You hadn't even talked about price. The other wolves were firing him up. I made him slow his ass down. They started ordering a bunch of beer and other shit. Time out do why'all know how much the beer cost have why'all ask the prices or looked at a menu. I chastise them and they did not like it. My birthday traffic accident homie Brother Jay from New Jersey came through. Jay step to me and said the little homies were complaining about me getting on them. It upset me and I told them fuck why'all on why'all own. They came back and apologized. I told them I will compromise and give them more leeway. There are advantageous and disadvantages when you roll with a group of Young Bucks. First of all because their faces Young and new all the young girls we're going crazy over them. The working girls in the batey and massage parlor grabbed up all of their girlfriends to come and pay them a visit. The Wolfpack only wanted the finest chicas out the group. On one occasion they pick a nice chica to run a train on. Damn she was lovely. They both got head from the girl and send her on her way. I asked where were my boys and she said they were in the room smoking. I checked on them they were all talking about how good her head was. I took her back to my room to show her that we like pussy too. She made 3500 pesos between the three of us. The next day we headed to sosua. I told the Wolfpack that this is a different culture and you can't be talking to random guys thinking their certified. That went past their head. We had smoked all the weed we had on our way going to sosua. Well not all the weed I had. We got into the Sue (as they called it) and get our rooms. I walked outside and they were standing next to a guy saying the guy told them he had Kush. I went off on them again. They're standing in front of Rumba like ducks waiting for the guy to bring them some weed. Man if why'all don't get the fucK out of here. Come on let's go. Tell buddy we straight. All of my little homies sold dope at one point in time. In the US it's a misdemeanor. Here you can end up in a Dominican jail quick fast in a hurry. I've picked perfect place to accommodate all of us. Casa Angela has about 9 rooms. My 6 and my DC and New Jersey partners 3. We had all the rooms covered except one. Two guys double up. Another guest I think from.

Up state because he had an accent kept his room there. I didn't notice him until 4 o'clock in the morning he came out of his room yelling what the f* is going on. I can't get no sleep this is not a fuck hotel. The Wolfpack was running chicas in and out of their rooms Non-Stop. They had no regards or respect. He was yelling for about 2 minutes I thought it was a joke. He was Fed Up. When he came out yelling he was met back with, "man this a *****house f* you"! "You don't like it get the f* out of here". "So what we are making a lot of noise what the f* are you going to do". Complete disrespect. MC my Road Dogg started packing his s* thinking we were going to get kicked out knocking on my door. I told him relax. What is the owner going to do kick out 7 guest to please 1. They told him to change his room to their other Hotel however, he wanted to stay. I really did feel sorry for him. But at 4 o'clock in the morning I was Knee Deep indulging myself in my chocolate fetish. By the way every session I had during this trip was a 7 or better. I didn't have time to address the issue.

The next day after we ran into Puerto Plata revenge it was pretty much the same. Chicas coming and going. By 3 o'clock Saturday night the Wolfpack was sound asleep. They were done. No classico, No after 1, nothing but sleep. I took pictures and video to clown them. Two of them fell asleep in the same bed. The other one was asleep but he had his room door locked because they're always getting in him. Only little homie street mating to the last chapter. But he's been there two times already.

[Troubleman69]

And that is why I don't tell anyone when I'm going anymore. I don't have time to babysit.

[Mr Gogo]

Yesterday in the Medellin forum Killarmy posted a post about meeting a non-pro dental student and falling hard for her. He decided to take her on vacation and she fucked for one day and only did hand jobs after that. She stated that she had a boyfriend and he was on her mind. The below response is from Iguanasix:

"Hmmmm. Spending time, money, and energy taking another man's girlfriend seems like the height of self loathing: a metaphor for alpha fucks and beta bucks. Best case scenario: you take her on the trip, she is on her best behavior, she gives you the best sex of her life, and she declares her love for you. Congratulations, you are human * detector, having determined that she is willing to vine swing to the Bigger, Better Deal. Like the Parisian tart who had a boyfriend in the French Army in 1940, upgraded to German soldier in 1943, and was the war bride of an American officer in 1946, only to be divorced and safely ensconced in the suburbs of Scarsdale, New York, by 1951. (Think of the mother of the Leonardo de Caprio character in 'Catch Me If You Can.'

I hope this experience has opened your eyes. Don't take your wife on vacation. Don't take your girlfriend on vacation, unless she helps pay for it. And you certainly don't take a "potential" girlfriend or someone else's girlfriend on vacation. A trip to Manizales is cool. But there are chicas there, too, not need to bring one. Why take sand to the beach? Why take coals to Newcastle? Why fly lobbyists to Washington?

Like Maslow's hierarchy of human needs, the female corollary is a constant need for Protection / Provision / Entertainment / Validation. When she started bringing up potential conflicts to leaving in the first place, she was giving you a "shit test" (as in "How much shit will this guy put up with? Have I bent him to my will, yet? You passed her shit test by wanting the vacation more than she did, she got to enjoy some "drama" (getting you to beg), and she was not committed to it from the start. That was the time to say, "OK," we can hang out while I am in town, and if she started getting unreliable, you would have still been free to have fun with her local competition. By not taking her on the vacation, she would have learned to value your availability, and you would have deflected her pent up demand for Provision / Attention / Validation back to her boyfriend. What would have been the next step? You take them both on vacation, and spend your nights in the bed room next door listening to them cavorting at your expense?

Women rarely act better on vacation than they do at home. On a vacation that you are paying for, provision and protection are already assumed. The fact that you have chosen them for the vacation will. Temporarily. Sate their need for validation. However, when women are not sufficiently entertained, they will gladly accept the substitute of made up conflict. In other words when the "soap opera" of their own lives starts to bore them, they create things to be upset about. Why do you think we call it "drama?

They will ruin a perfectly good vacation if they get bored or if you focus on enjoying the vacation instead of using it as a platform to bolster their self-esteem. They will start with pouting, emotionally withdrawing to see if you focus on the vacation rather than on the subtle cues she is sending you that she wants more attention. When you don't, they will sabotage the vacation, first by criticizing and nitpicking more and more details. ("Aspen is too cold. This beach isn't sandy enough. Rio de Janeiro is too hot. The local women are all wearing slutty string bikinis. Don't look at them. You only gave me $500 to go shopping with. The bed is too hard. My co-worker's boyfriend took her to Mount Expensive. Why didn't you take me to Mount Expensive? The humidity of San Tropez is bad for my hair."

Like the true princess in the fairy tale, you will find out that she CAN detect if someone has put three peas under the bed of 26 mattresses she slept on.

Women will ruin perfectly good vacations if they get bored. They can afford to. To you, that vacation ruined by her impossible-to-meet standards (which is actually her bottomless pit of need for entertainment / validation) represents vacation days you will not get back from your employer, the overtime hours you put over some weekends, the little sacrifices you made to save the extra money to pay for the vacation while meeting her everyday P / P / E / V needs. To her, it was just an opportunity to run you through a battery of shit tests. They do this, because you can't do anything about it. You are trying to salvage a vacation she has no investment in. I have seen women on vacation turn into emotional terrorists, creating psychodrama as that get their men locked up in jail (on domestic violence charges or orchestrating a fist fight with one of the locals), setting off financial bombs ("honey, I took all our savings and lost it in the casino".), or completely humiliating their men in public.

Imagine being the pilot of a jet airliner. In the cockpit, is the pilot, the man who just wanted clear skies and low cloud cover as he navigates his way through this flight. In the passenger section, are not passengers, but all the man's work and social relationships, his credit record, and the rest of his 'baggage. ' The bored and slightly suicidal wife or girlfriend is like a terrorist who bursts into the cockpit and will wrestle the pilot for control of the plane / vacation. The flight / vacation is too smooth and lacks excitement, so she will remedy that by trying to crash the vacation into a mountain. Not because she is trying to make a political point. But because she is bored and the pilot is not paying enough attention to her.

If you have gotten this far in a relationship, to the point that you will take her on vacations, she already determined she has "gotten" you, that you care. Women appreciate men that they have acquired easily the way that children appreciate toys that their parents replace every time they break them for the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th time. What does she really appreciate? The guy that is still out of reach. She figures you are a broken plow horse and not a wild stallion, so why not see how far the taming process goes? What are you going to do? Hit the "ejection seat" midway through the vacation, check out of the hotel, and go your own way?

99% of men will not do that, because they think they have so much to lose. "I can't just pay the hotel bill and leave her with her credit card, passport, and plane ticket so she can go back home while I go and spend the rest of my time with the local women who are younger, hotter, and less bitchy than my girlfriend. I just can't! I have too much to lose back home. I've invested* too much into the relationship. " said every blue pill man who came back from vacation tired, frustrated, alienated, broke, and with blue balls.

Most men have high expectations for the vacation. They think that a new environment, a new adventure is going to make her so romantic. It is just the opposite for women. Whatever endorphin thrill she experienced about the vacation came when she saw the charges for airfare and lodging get swiped onto your credit card and tapered off 15 minutes after she bragged about the vacation plans to her friends. That occurred days or weeks before you went to the airport, and women are programmed to ask "What have you done for me. Lately?" and by lately, for some women, emotionally, they have the 30 second emotional memory span of a goldfish. When goldfish are hungry or scared for 30 seconds, they believe that they have been hungry or scared all their lives.

This is why I argue that you are better off being a monger and having many "honeymoons. " Go abroad, meet exotic, beautiful women, be nice to each other, enjoy those wonderful endorphins at the peak of their tingly freshness, knowing you have gotten 75% of the best parts of any relationship with a woman in 5% of the time and for a fraction of the cost. Now, THAT is an investment with a high rate of return! Experience time with a woman that has nothing to gain by creating "drama" because you aren't the pilot of big, slow jet airliner that is loaded with all your baggage. You came in a fighter jet and your cockpit comes equipped with the handle to an ejection seat. And guess what? You aren't sitting in the ejection seat. She is!

Once she cut you off from her competition, she had you at her mercy. To have her cut you off from girlfriend sex to hand jobs. That was her seeing how much she had "broken you."

Imagine if you had said, after a second night of hand jobs, that you saw this wasn't working out and you heading back to MDE or checking into another room in the hotel (to cavort with the local talent). She would have changed her tune pretty quick. You are not around all the time, and she could not wait until you were heading back home to experiment with her local guy? And she had to tell you she was carrying a torch for him? Why? To humiliate you, is why.

Women only have power over thirsty men. She took you away to the waterfall (MDE), created a temporary "pussy desert," and then spent the rest of the week taunting and teasing you with "mirages" of an oasis and dangling a canteen of water while you crawled in the sand.

Chicas are on their best behavior when they have something to lose. Sure, the idea of trip seems like a great idea, but it never works out, or if it does, it has an expiration date of 72 hours.

*We can have a discussion at some other time about how a blue pill man's "investment" in a relationship is such a poor one. ".

[Mr Enternational]

I made him slow his ass down. They started ordering a bunch of beer and other shit. Time out do why'all know how much the beer cost have why'all ask the prices or looked at a menu. I chastise them and they did not like it.You did right. About 13 years ago me and my boys were in Nice, France and stepped into a cabarret. They immediately ordered drinks while I asked for a menu. Turned out those drinks were $40 each. I was laughing my ass off.

[Mr Enternational]

So a couple of weeks ago the girl that I hit in Santo Domingo the day before the Superbowl told me she was pregnant. She had taken a home test and would go to the doctor soon to confirm it. I told her to wait until I get there next week to go and she said okay.

This morning she notified me that she had to go to the doctor yesterday without me because she had taken some allergy medication and was in pain and didn't want to lose the baby. She said the next appointment is April 28 at 8 am for test results and I could go with her then.

Then she said she would talk to me later because she was going to see what she could find for breakfast. I said breakfast? It is almost lunch time. She said she only had fruits and juices in the house and that she does not work nor have help from anyone and she lives far from her mom.

I said well you need to move back with your mom. She said that she does not know what I'm going to do but she needs food. She said she is old enough and does not need anything from her mom. She said that she has to take care of herself. I said okay. Then she asked me what I was planning on doing because she needed food. I said what can I do? I am not there. She said she was starving and that soon the baby will be born and starving too because I am not there. I said well like you just said, you are grown and can take care of yourself.

She said but you are the father of the child and you have to take care of me while I am pregnant. She said she only wanted me to take care of my responsibilities. I said yes, I am the father of the child, but not the father of the woman. She said that since she has my baby inside it is my responsibility to make sure she has food then when the baby is born I only need to take care of the baby and not worry about her. I said when the baby arrives in this world it will be my responsibility, but the mother is an adult.

She said the baby was going to die from hunger inside of her. I said you are going to eat. You did a good job of eating for the past 25 years and I do not think you are going to stop today. She got mad and kept trying to plead her case but it was falling on deaf ears. Then she said okay forget my child. Forget that you are going to have a child here. I said that I am not going to forget anything. I am going to take care of my responsibility. Then she said bye.

I forgot to mention that her tits are getting bigger and are sore because the milk is coming in. So I will have to be careful and only lick them instead of suck them the next time we are together.

[OldKool]

Man that is my worst nightmare. I had a scare my self last year. One the sisters on my roster got pregnant and just had her baby a few days ago. Thanks God not mine. It was a close call as I was with her last year a few times. Now that baby is here she wants back on the roster but little sister wants it to.


So a couple of weeks ago the girl that I hit in Santo Domingo the day before the Superbowl told me she was pregnant. She had taken a home test and would go to the doctor soon to confirm it. I told her to wait until I get there next week to go and she said okay.

This morning she notified me that she had to go to the doctor yesterday without me because she had taken some allergy medication and was in pain and didn't want to lose the baby. She said the next appointment is April 28 at 8 am for test results and I could go with her then.

Then she said she would talk to me later because she was going to see what she could find for breakfast. I said breakfast? It is almost lunch time. She said she only had fruits and juices in the house and that she does not work nor have help from anyone and she lives far from her mom.

I said well you need to move back with your mom. She said that she does not know what I'm going to do but she needs food. She said she is old enough and does not need anything from her mom. She said that she has to take care of herself. I said okay. Then she asked me what I was planning on doing because she needed food. I said what can I do? I am not there. She said she was starving and that soon the baby will be born and starving too because I am not there. I said well like you just said, you are grown and can take care of yourself.

She said but you are the father of the child and you have to take care of me while I am pregnant. She said she only wanted me to take care of my responsibilities. I said yes, I am the father of the child, but not the father of the woman. She said that since she has my baby inside it is my responsibility to make sure she has food then when the baby is born I only need to take care of the baby and not worry about her. I said when the baby arrives in this world it will be my responsibility, but the mother is an adult.

She said the baby was going to die from hunger inside of her. I said you are going to eat. You did a good job of eating for the past 25 years and I do not think you are going to stop today. She got mad and kept trying to plead her case but it was falling on deaf ears. Then she said okay forget my child. Forget that you are going to have a child here. I said that I am not going to forget anything. I am going to take care of my responsibility. Then she said bye.

I forgot to mention that her tits are getting bigger and are sore because the milk is coming in. So I will have to be careful and only lick them instead of suck them the next time we are together.

[Frannie]

So a couple of weeks ago the girl that I hit in Santo Domingo the day before the Superbowl told me she was pregnant. She had taken a home test and would go to the doctor soon to confirm it. I told her to wait until I get there next week to go and she said okay.

This morning she notified me that she had to go to the doctor yesterday without me because she had taken some allergy medication and was in pain and didn't want to lose the baby. She said the next appointment is April 28 at 8 am for test results and I could go with her then.

Then she said she would talk to me later because she was going to see what she could find for breakfast. I said breakfast? It is almost lunch time. She said she only had fruits and juices in the house and that she does not work nor have help from anyone and she lives far from her mom.

I said well you need to move back with your mom. She said that she does not know what I'm going to do but she needs food. She said she is old enough and does not need anything from her mom. She said that she has to take care of herself. I said okay. Then she asked me what I was planning on doing because she needed food. I said what can I do? I am not there. She said she was starving and that soon the baby will be born and starving too because I am not there. I said well like you just said, you are grown and can take care of yourself.

She said but you are the father of the child and you have to take care of me while I am pregnant. She said she only wanted me to take care of my responsibilities. I said yes, I am the father of the child, but not the father of the woman. She said that since she has my baby inside it is my responsibility to make sure she has food then when the baby is born I only need to take care of the baby and not worry about her. I said when the baby arrives in this world it will be my responsibility, but the mother is an adult.

She said the baby was going to die from hunger inside of her. I said you are going to eat. You did a good job of eating for the past 25 years and I do not think you are going to stop today. She got mad and kept trying to plead her case but it was falling on deaf ears. Then she said okay forget my child. Forget that you are going to have a child here. I said that I am not going to forget anything. I am going to take care of my responsibility. Then she said bye.

I forgot to mention that her tits are getting bigger and are sore because the milk is coming in. So I will have to be careful and only lick them instead of suck them the next time we are together.If it is your child, you need to make sure that she gets adequate prenatal care, nutrition, prenatal testing, prenatal vitamins, etc. And is under the care of a competent OB / GYN because you would not want to be the father of a defective child. If you are not the father of the child, it is silly to string her along with mind games.

[Mr Enternational]

If you are not the father of the child, it is silly to string her along with mind games.Seriously? And if she is not even pregnant? Or she knows another guy is the true father of the child? Is anything silly of her?

[Frannie]

Seriously? And if she is not even pregnant? Or she knows another guy is the true father of the child? Is anything silly of her?Well, only you know if there is a possibility of the child being yours. For example did you have unprotected sex with her at a vulnerable point in her menstrual period? To some extent printed documentation of tests or ultrasound pictures can show 1) if she is pregnant, 2) approximately when she became pregnant, which you can match against dates when you may have had unprotected sex with her. I don't think you can do a DNA test to establish paternity until after the child is born. It does not seem very likely that it is true that the next test is as far in the future as April 28th (why?) And at less than 2 months it seems a bit too early for her to be lactating, though some breast changes can occur in the first trimester.

Ultimately it is up to you to decide what is the probability that the child could be yours (if she is pregnant). However the problem is not the kind of he-said-she-said dialectic over who is responsible for what and when, but that there is a child, or fetus, that needs responsible adults to take care of his or her needs. If I thought there was any possible chance that the child could be mine, I would want to err on the side of caution, until evidence to the contrary could be clearly established. As far as the question whether anything could be silly of her, I don't know. You are an educated man, and I know you tend to date well-educated upper-echelon Dominican women who are financially independent, but whether she falls into this category or not only you know. If she is a smart cookie and agreed to unprotected sex with you, then she knew what the risks were. If she is uneducated, then I would say you have to take more responsibility.

[Boriman]

Seriously? And if she is not even pregnant? Or she knows another guy is the true father of the child? Is anything silly of her?I could be mistaken but in your situation, Mr Enternational, I would be concerned about seeing her since you do not want any legal repercussions. All she has to do is make allegations to the authorities and before you know it you will be detained on the island and / or the hassles will cost you thousands of pesos, if not dollars. In short, sometimes it is better to walk away; and many have done it. It sounds cold hearted but unless you are sure, and it looks like it will get more complicated, this is the best advice.

She does have options, besides you, but she chooses not to exercise them: she is employable, has her mom, and other relatives who can help her for surely, her mom isn't the only relative she has!.

Also, you are likely not the only guy she has and is still making money from. Women in these situations do not normally die from starvation and the island is loaded with chicas who have children from men who have skedaddled, Dominicans and non Dominicans alike.

Frannie, as usual, has some very good insights and brings up some important issues yet, in all due respect, the woman being educated or not educated is not the point. All the chicas know the risks. Heck, all the guys having sex with these chicas know the risk, educated or not. Every chica on the island has grown up knowing women who have become pregnant only for the man to eventually disappear.

As for erring on the side of caution I've heard too many cases where guys do that only to later find out it is not their kid. To say that I would be pissed if I were in this situation would be an understatement. This is just my take.

If you feel sorry for her, Mr Enternational, I guess you can give her some chump change until she gives birth. After this have a DNA test taken at the U.S. Embassy. This will tell you the truth. If it is yours then it is up to you whether you want to support the child or not.

Then there is also prenatal testing! I do not know how practical some of these tests are, in a developing nation, although the blood test does seem quite reasonable and cheap. Below are the options, taken from a paid advertisement and another site that has nothing to gain commercially:

For prenatal testing, or testing done during pregnancy, there are several options to choose from:

-Non-Invasive Prenatal Paternity-NIPP: A non-invasive prenatal paternity test is the most accurate non-invasive way to establish paternity before the baby is born. The process is state-of-the-art, combining the latest technology and proprietary methods of preserving and analyzing the baby's DNA found naturally in the mother's bloodstream. This test requires only a simple blood collection from the mother and alleged father and can be performed any time after the 8th week of pregnancy. The test is 99.9% accurate.

-Amniocentesis: This test is performed in the second trimester, anywhere from the 14th-20th weeks of pregnancy. During this procedure, the doctor uses ultrasound to guide a thin needle into your uterus, through your abdomen. The needle draws out a small amount of amniotic fluid, which is tested. Risks include a small chance of harming the baby and miscarriage. Other side effects may include cramping, leaking of amniotic fluid, and vaginal bleeding. A doctor's consent is needed to do this procedure for paternity testing.

-Chorionic Villus Sampling-CVS: This test consists of a thin needle or tube which a doctor inserts from the vagina, through the cervix, guided by an ultrasound, to obtain chorionic villi. Chorionic villi are little finger-like pieces of tissue attached to the wall of the uterus. The chorionic villi and the fetus come from the same fertilized egg, and have the same genetic makeup. This testing can be done earlier in pregnancy from the 10th-13th weeks. A doctor's consent is needed to do this procedure for paternity testing.

What risk does DNA testing pose to the mother and the developing baby?

Historically, prenatal DNA testing done in conjunction with other prenatal testing involves some risk associated with how the testing is conducted, whether amniocentesis or CVS.

These tests are often discouraged for the sole reason of seeking paternity because of the increased miscarriage risks. However, the non-invasive SNP microarray procedure poses little risk to mom or the baby.

How much does it cost to establish paternity?

Costs will vary, depending on which types of procedures are performed. Prices can range from $400.00 to $2,000.00. Prenatal testing is often more costly than testing done after a baby is born because of the additional doctor and hospital-related fees.

From another site:

Chorionic Villus Sampling.

Paternity testing can be done between the 10th and 12th weeks of pregnancy through a procedure called chorionic villus sampling or CVS. CVS is an invasive testing procedure that requires a sample of chorionic villi to be collected from the uterus. This test involves a needle being inserted into the mother's abdomen or through the cervix by way of the vagina to collect the sample. A doctor's consent is needed before CVS testing can occur.

Amniocentesis.

Another in vitro procedure, amniocentesis, can be performed starting between the 14th and 20th weeks of pregnancy. This test involves gathering a small amount of amniotic fluid from the mother's uterus through a thin needle inserted into the abdomen. As this test is highly invasive, doctor's consent is needed for this method of paternity testing to be used.

Non-Invasive Prenatal Paternity Testing.

In 2013, DNA testing company NATUS announced the availability of a prenatal paternity test that gives results as early as the fifth week of pregnancy. According to the company's press release, this non-invasive testing requires a small sample of blood to be taken from the mother, usually from the arm. The DNA in this blood sample is then compared to DNA collected from the alleged father in the form of a cheek swab, hair sample or blood sample.

Associated Risks.

As the name suggests, non-invasive prenatal paternity testing poses no risk to a baby or pregnant mother. Amniocentesis and CVS, however, are both procedures that could potentially be harmful to the baby. According to a report on CVS and amniocentesis done by the Centers for Disease Control, these procedures put mothers at higher risk for miscarriage. There is also a small risk of limb deficiency -- improper or incomplete formation of a limb, usually a finger or toe -- associated with CVS, with the risk increasing the earlier in the pregnancy the procedure is performed.

I recall one time my friend saying that I impregnated an ex girlfriend. After the initial concern I realized that the numbers did not add up. You have probably already done this but after you check your details to see if you are possibly the father, then check her details; some of which are mentioned in Frannie's post.

To tell you the truth, from your post it sounds like she is pregnant but trying to play you. One is never sure, though, until a DNA test is done and you have every right to be cautious. Heck, you have shown much more patience and concern than a lot of other guys.

[Frannie]

I could be mistaken but in your situation, Mr Enternational, I would be concerned about seeing her since you do not want any legal repercussions. All she has to do is make allegations to the authorities and before you know it you will be detained on the island and / or the hassles will cost you thousands of pesos, if not dollars. In short, sometimes it is better to walk away; and many have done it. It sounds cold hearted but unless you are sure, and it looks like it will get more complicated, this is the best advice.

She does have options, besides you, but she chooses not to exercise them: she is employable, has her mom, and other relatives who can help her for surely, her mom isn't the only relative she has!.

Also, you are likely not the only guy she has and is still making money from. Women in these situations do not normally die from starvation and the island is loaded with chicas who have children from men who have skedaddled, Dominicans and non Dominicans alike.

Frannie, as usual, has some very good insights and brings up some important issues yet, in all due respect, the woman being educated or not educated is not the point. All the chicas know the risks. One is never sure, though, until a DNA test is done and you have every right to be cautious. Heck, you have shown much more patience and concern than a lot of other guys.Excellent points, all of them, and great information about paternity testing.

The questions are:

1) Is she really pregnant. If not, then she is a scammer and once this is proved the relationship is over at little cost.

2) If she is pregnant, then what is her expected due date? This can be established fairly accurately by the end of the first trimester. With this date you can work back and determine whether she became pregnant in the menstrual cycle that includes Superbowl weekend. If she was pregnant at an earlier date, then she is a scammer and you are off the hook.

3). If she became pregnant close to Superbowl weekend, is it possible that she was having unprotected sex with one or more other men within the same few days of fertility? Well, we don't know anything about this chica, so it is hard to say.

4). How receptive is she to the idea of DNA testing to establish paternity? If she is keen to do it and swears that she did not have unprotected sex with anyone else, either she is engaged in a short-term scam that she knows will be revealed once there is a paternity test, or she actually believes that you are the father of her son or daughter.

As Boriman says, I would tread carefully here, because either she is a) a deliberate scammer, or she is b) actually the future mother of your son or daughter. There is not much middle ground, but if you strongly accuse her of a) and b) turns out to be the case, things will probably not turn out well in the long run.

In the meantime, does she already have health insurance? In the DR you have to sign up for health insurance pretty early in pregnancy to be able to use it by the time of the birth (preexisting condition and all that). Paying a monthly premium for health insurance for a few months could save a lot of expense down the road and help to keep a cap on expenses.

That being the case, I would try to pursue of course of what President Reagan called "trust, but verify". In other words play nice at least for the short term, but quietly seek evidence to disprove the thesis that you are the father of her unborn child, especially if you gut feeling is that she is a scammer. Worst case scenario in this case is that you have DNA testing done when the baby arrives and it proves not to be yours.

[Mr Gogo]

Thought I would start positive thinking ahead of a beautiful weekend. Enjoy.

[Yanqui69]

Thought I would start positive thinking ahead of a beautiful weekend. Enjoy.Oh my God! Mom!

[Mr Gogo]

I saw a report somewhere about the US getting five bases back in the PI and I started to wonder; Us being veterans this is a good sign because it will open facilities up to us as we travel. Maybe I should also put the Philippines on my possible future home list.

[GrownMan1]

I saw a report somewhere about the US getting five bases back in the PI and I started to wonder; Us being veterans this is a good sign because it will open facilities up to us as we travel. Maybe I should also put the Philippines on my possible future home list.My man Will predicted the US and China going to war by the end of the year. He also is predicting Obama's assassination.

[Mr Enternational]

My man Will predicted the US and China going to war by the end of the year. He also is predicting Obama's assassination.I'm going to kill him my damn self if he don't legalize weed.

[Yanqui69]

I saw a report somewhere about the US getting five bases back in the PI and I started to wonder; Us being veterans this is a good sign because it will open facilities up to us as we travel. Maybe I should also put the Philippines on my possible future home list.Was easy enough to check.

According to Military Times, a new agreement was reached for permanent US bases in PI. They are the following:

Antonio Bautista Air Base.

Located near the capital of the island province of Palawan, which is strategically located near the contested Spratly Islands in the South China Sea.

Basa Air Base.

Located about 40 miles northwest of the Philippines' capital, Manila, the air base was originally constructed by the USA Army Air Corps before the Second World War.

Fort Magsaysay.

Located on the northern Island of Luzon, Fort Magsaysay is the largest military installation in the Philippines, and is one of the primary training areas of the Philippine Army.

Lumbia Air Base.

Located on the southern island of Mindanao, the air base is connected to a civilian airport. Local media reports say construction of a new USA Facility will begin soon.

Mactan-Benito Ebuen Air Base.

Located on Mactan Island of the coast of Cebu in the central Philippines. It was originally built by the USA Air Force before the American pullout in the early 1990's.

[SavePros321]

I'm going to kill him my damn self if he don't legalize weed.You can go to Colorado and buy weed at a dispensary as long as you are 21 and older. Same thing in Washington State. They are the only two States with recreational marijuana use (meaning you do not have to have something from a doc prescribing it for medical reasons). You are also allowed a certain number of plants that you can grow on your own.

Just be aware that just because a state has recreational use or medical Mary Jane, it does not protect you should your employer decides to drug test you. The only state with such protection is California. The have something like a "Right to Privacy" law, so if they want to drug test you they have to drug test every single employee. And they can't test you without some valid reason. BUT, if you work in a refinery, you will get tested and random drug tested due to the nature of the job and environment (dangerous + dangerous to neighboring communities should some drastic shit happen at the refinery like an explosion).

California Laws on Drug Testing
http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/california-laws-drug-testing.html

[GrownMan1]

Mr G ass is back from Cuba. He hasn't wrote a trip report from his last adventure. Cuba was my dream spot. I am waiting impatiently for his trip report. I have heard and read things have changed. He has sent me videos of him having fun with three chicas. Can somebody call him to tell him he must kill my curiosity. Will I go to Cuba next month or is it back to Columbia. I had a funny itch about the change in Cuba can't wait to hear what mr. G encountered.

[Mr Gogo]

Just returned from a trip to Havana and let me say things are changing fast. I took the tourist charter with a direct flight from Mia-HAV for 379 and 75 for the visa. Obama has just relaxed the travel rules so you can now go solo and don't need to be part of a tourist group. Just self certify and keep an agenda and all your receipts. Customs asked no questions leaving and returning.

My first day in Havana was about hanging out and just checking out the vibe of the place with the new rules. Let me say it had an eerie feeling to it. My friends and girls had vanished. My spots in Vedado were thin, even on a Friday night. Where was everyone? Luckily I had a couple past Internet girls waiting on standby to kill the void for my first two days.

My next to last day I ran into the first girl I banged in Cuba almost three years ago. We sat on the malecon celebrating till 4 am with her two amigas. Later she would give me the scoop on everything: The cops had done a major sweep 3 days before Obama arrived and snatched people of the streets so everyone was still spooked. Also the girl told me that the new hustle is to marry for business. See a foreigner can't buy property or open a biz in Cuba unless they marry a Cuban. Of the three girls drinking with us that night on the malecon 1). Was married to a German guy who paid 36 k for a Casa in Havana vieja that they also rent out to tourist. 2) My girl had just returned from Italy where she had been married for a year. She still wore the big diamond ring he brought her and sported a new galaxy S6 phone. She said it was cold in Italy and she missed Cuba. The husband refused to open up a biz in Cuba so that blew her hustle. 3) The third girl was also married to a German guy but she was home for now awaiting his visit. Casas, restaurants, clothing shops are all the new things these girls are fronting for their foreign spouses. Also several girls have went to Miami to cash in on being the hot new Cuban in town. The streets were thin and the girls are on the move internationally with new phones and clothes to match. No more girls with one pair of shoes and no phone.

Cuba is still a must see for guys who haven't gone yet but for the seasoned Cuba veteran their might be a drop off in talent until you get reacquainted.

American business opportunities are opening up but with a current US election and the Castros still in control people are scared.

[GrownMan1]

Just returned from a trip to Havana and let me say things are changing fast. I took the tourist charter with a direct flight from Mia-HAV for 379 and 75 for the visa. Obama has just relaxed the travel rules so you can now go solo and don't need to be part of a tourist group. Just self certify and keep an agenda and all your receipts. Customs asked no questions leaving and returning.

My first day in Havana was about hanging out and just checking out the vibe of the place with the new rules. Let me say it had an eerie feeling to it. My friends and girls had vanished. My spots in Vedado were thin, even on a Friday night. Where was everyone? Luckily I had a couple past Internet girls waiting on standby to kill the void for my first two days.

My next to last day I ran into the first girl I banged in Cuba almost three years ago. We sat on the malecon celebrating till 4 am with her two amigas. Later she would give me the scoop on everything: The cops had done a major sweep 3 days before Obama arrived and snatched people of the streets so everyone was still spooked. Also the girl told me that the new hustle is to marry for business. See a foreigner can't buy property or open a biz in Cuba unless they marry a Cuban. Of the three girls drinking with us that night on the malecon 1). Was married to a German guy who paid 36 k for a Casa in Havana vieja that they also rent out to tourist. 2) My girl had just returned from Italy where she had been married for a year. She still wore the big diamond ring he brought her and sported a new galaxy S6 phone. She said it was cold in Italy and she missed Cuba. The husband refused to open up a biz in Cuba so that blew her hustle. 3) The third girl was also married to a German guy but she was home for now awaiting his visit. Casas, restaurants, clothing shops are all the new things these girls are fronting for their foreign spouses. Also several girls have went to Miami to cash in on being the hot new Cuban in town. The streets were thin and the girls are on the move internationally with new phones and clothes to match. No more girls with one pair of shoes and no phone.

Cuba is still a must see for guys who haven't gone yet but for the seasoned Cuba veteran their might be a drop off in talent until you get reacquainted.

American business opportunities are opening up but with a current US election and the Castros still in control people are scared.Wow mr. G you just killed Cuba. Going to the Dr next week.

[GrownMan1]

Just finish my Tour of Duty of sosua. Everything is Everything as expected. I noticed the guys are getting a lot younger. Pound for pound the Sue is the best thing smoking for the east coast. Bar Brazil. Guys are here from as far as Cali for these chicas. My friend posted a picture of him and his Biker Group in Maryland. The guys I met in the Sue for the first time from DC were laughing saying he can have their cribs.

[Mr Gogo]

The bullshit with Alamo.

I made reservations with Alamo a week before my trip even splurging to have a nice SUV because I expected lots of rain this trip. Usually I rent from Grownmans guy for 40 usd a day for a nice Toyota but the forecast of rain made me step it up for safety.

Upon landing at SDQ I decided to use the Alamo in the terminal after getting my luggage to save time. It was 5:30 pm and it was one guy ahead of me. After 15 minutes I step to the counter and they have my reservation but not the final price, let the games begin. They run me through all kinds of scenarios to jack up the price then act nice and be my friend and still jack up the price, but I stayed with the reservation. Now it was 6 pm and he hands me my paperwork and says " See the guy outside", I looked at him crazy because I wanted to get the keys and go not see the guy at the Alamo counter that I was trying to bypass. True to Dominican customer support they gave me the runaround. The Alamo counter outside had two people already there so I waited 20 minutes. It was now 6:30 pm and I stepped around the guy who was next and said " Can I get my key and go please?" he said the car was getting washed. I said " it's been raining you don't need to wash it". He had me wait 30 minutes and I stepped to the counter again. " Where is my car" ,he said it was coming from another location.

It's now 7:30 pm and no car and the guy at the counter keeps stalling by picking up the phone and acting like he is calling someone. The two people before me are also pissed because they have no car.

I'm pacing and going outside expecting my car to pull up for another hour before I finally told them to cancel my reservation. "How can you rent cars if you don't have any?" I replied. They make reservations on the Internet and give you the runaround if they don't have cars, great customer service Alamo. When I said canceled the guy at the next counter said he had the same SUV at a cheaper price and I bit.

I'm multitasking with making a new deal and closing the old deal. I have to tell the guy at Alamo I'm canceling five times as he was still stalling trying to salvage the deal with no car.

The guy at the next counter tries the new deal shit after we agreed to the old deal. I got pissed and told him I was fed up and he gave me a deal that was a few dollars more but included a brand new SUV for 350 usd for 5 days with complete insurance. My original deal with Alamo was 280 usd for five days with complete insurance. I just wanted a car and paid the inflated price. Shit I landed at 5 pm and it was now 8:30 pm. Pussy was calling and I had to go. Yeah they had me in the Dominican headlock.

Anyway I'm completing my new deal and closing my old deal at the counter 3 feet away but the guy at the Alamo counter keeps picking up the phone. I've figured out his stall techniques and I'm not playing anymore. I step 3 feet over and tell him don't pickup the phone and to please give me my canceled charge and a close out receipt stating you don't have cars. He says he can't authorize that and it has to come from inside the terminal. I get the keys to the new car and go back inside and the Alamo guy is still stalling. Now I'm getting to another level as I tell him he has no respect and you don't do customers like this. It's now 9 pm (I landed at 5) and Alamo finally gives me my close out receipt.

Needless to say I won't do Alamo anymore. I think it's best to just pay a little more and have the vehicle of your choice and a company that don't waste your precious vacation time but in the DR these things happen anytime you pre-pay. At least I have a brand new vehicle as I head to Sosua in the morning with a special guest from the board (report later in the Gogo forum).

[GrownMan1]

The bullshit with Alamo.

I made reservations with Alamo a week before my trip even splurging to have a nice SUV because I expected lots of rain this trip. Usually I rent from Grownmans guy for 40 usd a day for a nice Toyota but the forecast of rain made me step it up for safety.

Upon landing at SDQ I decided to use the Alamo in the terminal after getting my luggage to save time. It was 5:30 pm and it was one guy ahead of me. After 15 minutes I step to the counter and they have my reservation but not the final price, let the games begin. They run me through all kinds of scenarios to jack up the price then act nice and be my friend and still jack up the price, but I stayed with the reservation. Now it was 6 pm and he hands me my paperwork and says " See the guy outside", I looked at him crazy because I wanted to get the keys and go not see the guy at the Alamo counter that I was trying to bypass. True to Dominican customer support they gave me the runaround. The Alamo counter outside had two people already there so I waited 20 minutes. It was now 6:30 pm and I stepped around the guy who was next and said " Can I get my key and go please?" he said the car was getting washed. I said " it's been raining you don't need to wash it". He had me wait 30 minutes and I stepped to the counter again. " Where is my car" ,he said it was coming from another location.

It's now 7:30 pm and no car and the guy at the counter keeps stalling by picking up the phone and acting like he is calling someone. The two people before me are also pissed because they have no car.

I'm pacing and going outside expecting my car to pull up for another hour before I finally told them to cancel my reservation. "How can you rent cars if you don't have any?" I replied. They make reservations on the Internet and give you the runaround if they don't have cars, great customer service Alamo. When I said canceled the guy at the next counter said he had the same SUV at a cheaper price and I bit.

I'm multitasking with making a new deal and closing the old deal. I have to tell the guy at Alamo I'm canceling five times as he was still stalling trying to salvage the deal with no car.

The guy at the next counter tries the new deal shit after we agreed to the old deal. I got pissed and told him I was fed up and he gave me a deal that was a few dollars more but included a brand new SUV for 350 usd for 5 days with complete insurance. My original deal with Alamo was 280 usd for five days with complete insurance. I just wanted a car and paid the inflated price. Shit I landed at 5 pm and it was now 8:30 pm. Pussy was calling and I had to go. Yeah they had me in the Dominican headlock.

Anyway I'm completing my new deal and closing my old deal at the counter 3 feet away but the guy at the Alamo counter keeps picking up the phone. I've figured out his stall techniques and I'm not playing anymore. I step 3 feet over and tell him don't pickup the phone and to please give me my canceled charge and a close out receipt stating you don't have cars. He says he can't authorize that and it has to come from inside the terminal. I get the keys to the new car and go back inside and the Alamo guy is still stalling. Now I'm getting to another level as I tell him he has no respect and you don't do customers like this. It's now 9 pm (I landed at 5) and Alamo finally gives me my close out receipt.

Needless to say I won't do Alamo anymore. I think it's best to just pay a little more and have the vehicle of your choice and a company that don't waste your precious vacation time but in the DR these things happen anytime you pre-pay. At least I have a brand new vehicle as I head to Sosua in the morning with a special guest from the board (report later in the Gogo forum).Man am I reading this correctly. You went to the first rental car spot you seen coming off the plane. You supposed to automatically bypass those Jokers. Walk outside the airport across the street 2 Alamo. They thought you were one-hundred-percent green and played you that way because you went to that I got money and I need a car on counter. That's a waste of time there even with reservations. They were going to send you outside regardless because they cannot process too much of anything in there. They don't even have the keys to the car. I don't know why you just didn't use the number I gave you. Call my Rent-A-Car guy to get you. Tell him you need a SUV tomorrow for the 45. Would it save you a lot of time and money instead of dealing with them. The first time he said they're washing the car I would have left. But I know how safe you like to be.

[Mr Enternational]

Noo. He already had a reservation and went to the desk inside the airport to check in to get his car. Even when you finish there you have to go to the main office outside for them to take you to the car and do the walk around.

By the way, the car is always a few dollars more ($5 or $10) than what you booked for on the internet because of the airport tax there.

[GrownMan1]

Noo. He already had a reservation.Yeah I know he is a super pre planner. He dots his I's and cross his T's. And I know him. He saw those guys at the counter, knew he had a reservation for Alamo, he ready to get the hell up out of there. I know he had chicas on standby from San Pedro. He probably had been using Dominican Cupid and had about eight more chica from other areas he had been communicating with. But it's still no excuse. Bypass those guys like you were in Boca Chica. Go outside to the main office. You can see your car. I know Mr. G is going to inspect thoroughly. And be off. It was a good game plan. Here in America it may have worked.

I hate getting rentals at the airport. That's time consumption when you are arriving and time-consuming when you're going. No paper trail for me I pay in pesos. My renter gives me a free drop off and a free pick-up. All I have to do it's called him when I arrive. That way he's not sitting in the parking lot waiting and there's a problem with my flight or bags. When I'm leaving I drive around the corner pick him up and he drives me to the airport. You mess around and get to the airport running a little late and have 3 people in front of you. 2 want to get a rental cars for the first time and they're arguing about the height up prices. And the other one wants to turn in his damn car like you do. He's running late. He's already been there for 15 minutes. I don't feel positive anymore about giving out my credit card information in the Dr. Every since I seen shitload of copies of people information at a claro site. They had copies of people's passport and we're using them to get SIM cards.

[SubCmdr]

I know you like to keep it positive in your section so I'll do just that. I'll leave the critics, naysayers and all the negativity to those in the Sosua section. We keep it real in the hole. Real positive.

Shout out goes to Mr. GoGo for showing me the north coast and being a consummate host and tour guide. That brother is so smooth all he needs is a martini shaken not stirred. We hit Puerto Plata, Cabarete, The Sue and BC. To say we had too much fun would be an understatement.

When you pointed out that I was being critical of a place and the activities of people that I knew nothing about, I accepted your criticism but ignored you. But you kept at me finally throwing down the gauntlet. You stepped on the mound and invited me to step into the batters box. I accepted your invitation and that was all she wrote.

When I'm in I am all in. When I go, I go hard. I knocked it out the fucking park. I learned a lot about myself and also about my newly adopted country during our trip. Unlike the critics you find in the Sosua thread (the list is long but will remain unnamed), you are a truly man in the arena. And I thank you for that!

[Mr Gogo]

It's funny but I have to log off to view your posts but it's all good. I expected you to back out of our trip but you never wavered, thanks. I don't have time to post a trip report as I'm trying to book a Cuba and Santo Domingo trip before the summer heat makes traveling difficult in July and August.

But here are a few tidbits:

"Bourbon street " which is where the old "Latinos" was located is very nice. Someone put some major bucks in the place, too bad I never saw more than three people there. We will see how long they last?

Big the is on the beach and for 300-400 pesos you get great Bbq. Big mommas was kicking as usual but the Chicas weren't my taste. It's strange walking the beach and not seeing Herman sitting in his usual spot wearing his Maui Jim sunglasses.

I discovered one of the best all-around girls that I ever had in the DR, so let's see how long it is before she fucks up. Romanitas bar has a hot blonde working there now. For me, Sosua is no longer a trip I need every three months, once a year will do. Luckily I have many other spots to fill the rotation. Maui Maui on the corner going to the beach is still my favorite restaurant in Sosua. The old 4 roses and domino bar next door are always empty. What a shame because I've had some great time there from 2007-2012. Miss those off the main drag secret spots.

Cabarette has really gone upscale and is very nice.

[SubCmdr]

This report has been written by a persona that might best be described as a verbose exercise in "narcissism" who never seems to miss an opportunity to promote the wonder and beauty that is him. You may receive mental discomfort through your eyeholes by reading this report. Reader discretion is advised.So, on the drive back from The Sue, Mr. GoGo teaches me how to handle an AMET speed trap. We are rolling south. Speed unknown because I'm riding shotgun. And we are on an approach vector. The uniformed AMAT officer is on the left side of the road waving his radar gun. He begins walking out into the road waving more franticly. We are closing the distance. He is standing in the middle of northbound lane at the dividing line, waving both arms like a crazed man, just as we blow past him. Mr. GoGo doesn't so much as tap the breaks, ease off the accelerator, or miss a beat when it comes to our conversation. Why he doesn't just change his Spanish name to Santiago is beyond me.

Mr. GoGo drops me off at my ocean view apartment and rolls to the airport to turn in his SUV. I head into my apartment. Dining room is flooded due to heavy rains while I was gone. Fuck it. I'll clean it up later. I got pussy to catch. Drop the big bag. Load up the small bag and head back out. I pull up to the airport in the gran jefe mobile just as Mr. GoGo is coming out. I love it when a plan comes together. Now we are rolling to Boca Chica and it is raining like a very hard. But it's not a problem because we are big dogs, off the porch, and running without a leash. Don't hate mother fuckers (you know who you are)!

So we arrive in Boca Chica at the Villa Capri Hotel to check in. Mr. GoGo has a reservation, but I'm just winging it, and I don't. They don't have a room for me. The only room they do have is the two bedroom suite with a balcony. Mr. GoGo graciously invites me to share his room so we split the first night. It's $35 each. Now that's a damn good deal. Drop the luggage and head off to the Strip for a bite to eat. We decide on Village by the Beach. It is still raining very hard and although the table is under cover rain is coming off the overhangs like it being poured from buckets.

It's very nice. Sits beach front with a rustic dark wood tropical feel. We are just relaxing and chilling after the long drive back. Mr. GoGo's phone is vibrating so much, because of all the chicas trying to get on his jock now that he's back in town, a waitress is threatening to sit on it. I'm sitting there at my table over looking the beach and something terrible happens to me. A horrible offence to my eyeholes just penetrated my brain and left me traumatized. On the beach is a fucking white jabba the hut with two chicas at his table at the restaurant next to us. I know this is the beach but there should be some kind of law against that. What's next him putting leashes on the two chicas.

Ok, back to reality. I'm looking at that and for the first time I'm feeling sorry for the chicas. I'm thinking DAMN, I may be old but at least I'm not a repulsive human being like that mother fucker over there. Those chicas are earning every peso of their money today. Smh. Back to the menu. It looks good. I order some chicken, vegetables and a salad. Food comes and we have a nice relaxing lunch interspersed with rain and sun. We get the check, pay and bounce.

As we head (oh shit, another bad pun) out we are besieged by the massage girls. Mr. GoGo explains that the type of uniform is the tell (fuck or no fuck). Neither one of us interested in service at this point so we move on. I want to buy some fruit. So we go for a casual walk down the BC strip. There are a few chicas on the stroll but nothing that really catches my eye. I find the local street fruit vendor and have him fix me up a plate. It's freshly cut exactly how I want it. 100 pesos. Bet. I grab my fruit plate and head across the street to the BC park where the guaguas arrive and leave. I have a seat on the park bench and take in the sights. Mr. Gogo posts up on the corner for the best view. He points out the Argentinians street vendors in the park, the working girls and the touts. After making a dent in my fruit place I tell Mr. GoGo let's walk. There are two working girls sitting at the colmado near the park but it's too early to make a choice yet. Mr. GoGo shows me more of the strip and on the way to the other end the massage girls run up on us again. Must be a slow day because about a half dozen of them just sitting around doing nothing. They are not trying to give a brother no conversation so get the fuck out of of here. Mr. GoGo show me more. We head to another one of his spots. It has an ocean view and is a great place to have a relaxing drink. I meet a BC fixture named Bob. We are like hey we have something in common. A little chit chat and small talk about where we are from and then back into the gran jefe mobile, to the hotel and it's chill out time.

So, we back at the Villa Capri. Mr. GoGo ain't in the room for 5 minutes til he off on a chica run. DAMN Brother, I'm afraid of you. I'm still in straight chill mode. I get a knock on the door. "My chica has a friend for you" I hear from the other side of the door. I'm like "what does she look like". Mr. GoGo has a picture. Chica looks good. Mr. GoGo ain't making me take one for the team and I appreciate that. Out onto the balcony to hang out with GoGo and his chica. GoGo got the music playing through his iPad. We chilling. Life is good. Critical mother fuckers, don't see any of you in sight. Why would I? We are men in the arena.

Other chica arrives. She looks fine. GoGo grabs beer for all of them water for me. I'm in straight lightweight mode cause I gots some dominican superbug up in me and it's kicking my ass. I still can't drink. Back to the chicas: Houston we have a problem. Chica got attitude and I get enough of that at home from my harem. Chica got to go. Quick side bar with GoGo to apprise him of the situation. Then I take the chica inside and explain (in my poor Spanish) that I appreciate the fact she came out to see me and that she looks good. But we just don't share any chemistry and I am sorry about that. She says that's life. I leave her on the couch and GoGo being the gentleman he is cleans up the mess. He decides to kick his chica loose for the night and bang her out tomorrow. NICE. That's what gran hefe's do. We running things. Change of clothes and we are once again mission ready and cleared for takeoff.

So we take a walk to the strip from the VC down the side street. We exit out the front gate and turn the corner and this chica on drugs hits GoGo up with a "cum anywhere you like" 1000 peso offer. I'm like "shit what the fuck has GoGo got me into". Gogo waves her off like a plane making a bad carrier approach. While we continue our walk GoGo informs me that's one of the things he doesn't like about BC. There is heavy drug use by chicas here. I'm thinking "oh really, I've never considered fucking a chica on a "E ticket" ride. Damn good idea my brother".

Two blocks down is a casa. Huge yellow complex thinly disguised as a "discotecha". We enter to take a look. We are invited in and GoGo is feeling the girls. But I am hungry and I'm getting a bad vibe (or is that just my stomach rumbling). We are offered a seat at a table and I'm like "hey GoGo let's come back later. I want to get something to eat". Something is not right. Don't know what it is but I'm not interested in sticking around to figure it out. Being a good flight leader GoGo listens to me and we peel out of there. We continue our walk down to the strip and come to the conclusion that we should take a moto to return in order to decrease our exposure to the "colorful element" that populates that part of BC.

Now we are walking along the strip and looking for something for me to eat because GoGo is not hungry. I'm not feeling any of the establishments so we wind back up at a table in the street in front of Village by the Beach. I decide on a hamburger and GoGo orders his drink of choice. While sitting at our table the working girls on the stroll are passing by. It appears to me that the Italians got BC on lock. Every smoking hot dark skin chica seems to have Italian attached to her. They must be dropping some serious money. Because those perfect hair, nails, dresses, skirts and heels that the chicas are sporting gettin paid for by somebody.

At a restaurant next to us this short stocky Italian guy has TWO smoking hot dark skinned chicas at his table. They finish their meal and he takes a walk with them with his hands behind his back while his girls trail him a step behind. Now I'm thinking "What a dumb mother fucker. He has NO idea what he has there. " Two fine ass chicas like that were with me I'the have them hanging all on me. Wouldn't be walking in the street as if I'm in a military procession". But hey to each there own my brothers. Dowhatchalike!

So the hamburger comes out and I ask for 1000 Island Dressing. The owner comes to my table and apologizes. He tells me that they don't use anything out of bottle. If it's on your plate they made it here. Since they don't get many requests for that they don't have any. But next time I visit their fine establishment, as soon as I sit down make my request. They will get started on it right away and have it ready with my meal. BOOYAO motherfuckers! Now that's what I call customer service. They just made a customer for life. He suggests mixing the ketchup and mayonnaise as temporary solution. That works for me.

During dinner GoGo is telling me to chill out with the electronics. I got two smart phones and my hotspot out. I'm in the process of upgrading the equipment of the mobile command post MPC (a gran hefe like me needs that kind of stuff) and I'm still working out the bugs. A chica happens by that I fancy but I'm not finished with dinner or ready to make a choice. I'm having technical difficulties with my MCP in the field. Not really being that bright all this new equipment is kicking my ass.

I'm not making a connection with her via whatsapp, so she thinks am full of it (and sometimes I am). The SubCmdr can't catch a break from NOBODY. I finally get my electronic act together but by then she has moved on frustrated. Oh well. Fuck ya later! No battle plan survives contact with the enemy. While continuing to take in the sights we saw this European blonde. She was an older lady (relatively speaking to my preferences but I would still fuck if asked), great body, walking along the strip strutting her stuff with two Dominican boy toys trailing her. Go on sister. Dowhatchalike!

Dinner is finished the bill is paid and it's time to hit the streets again. I'm in search and penetrate mode and my missile tipped with a moisture seeking work head is in seeking mode. It's tracking but no tone yet. After the last few days in The Sue, I'm a card carrying member of the STICK AND MOVE Crew. I don't see the point of seeking GFE from working girls. I'm looking for PSE. Straight fucking; no kissing.

Move as team, never move alone, so welcome to the pussy zone!

Mr. GoGo and I head down the street walkin, talkin and taking in the sights. We get to another establishment where GoGo has VIP status. The waitresses are in a near riot of who gets his table. I'm hoping a fight breaks out and some serious hair pulling starts going down. I never try to miss out on a good marketing opportunity. One of the waitresses with a past history with Mr. GoGo (I'll let him provide the details if he wants) wins the battle. While observing the tussle I find one the waitresses attractive. So, I roll up on her. We chat and a let her know I want her phone number and I'll wait for her until after her shift. Then I walk off. All rise! The honorable SubCmdr is holding court. Please be seated.

We are at the table and the waitress gives me attitude because I order water. I'm getting used to it but it can't be helped. And trust me, I'm as unhappy about it as they are. LOL. A table full of chicas sits down next to us. One of them is very interesting to me. She does not fit the program. Does not look the part. She's a white girl in a sea of color. Cute face with a sweet look, jeans, t-shirt and tennis shoes. I like her. She notices my interest and Mr. GoGo calls her over. Says something to her and she comes over to me and starts rubbing on my chest. Starts talking to me about a massage how she is ready to go to the room. I'm like I'm not interested in no massage. So she hits me with the, ok not just a massage sucky-sucky, fucky-fucky and I look at her like DAMN girl, slow your fucking roll. Pump your breaks. GoGo tells her "my friend doesn't like that, you need to be more tranquilo with him". I tell her maybe later but not right now. So she sits down. I ask GoGo, "How does a girl that looks that sweet go from 0 to sucking dick in 5. 1 seconds?" She had me until she broke into that mode. He tells me the girls are hardcore here in BC. They all have a hard edge and that's what makes the experience qualitatively different from operating in The Sue. Damn straight my brother.

While still recovering from assault with a pussy weapon, my waitress I fancy rolls up with a napkin and tell me she gets off at 2 AM. Excellent! The back up plan is in place. My thought if that all else fails I'll be busting my nut all up in ya by 3. Gogo invites an interesting group of brothers to the table. They have names. But I don't remember any of them. One of them claims to have taken over the apartment of the owner that ran the Jamaican restaurant. Said the owner had to return to his country to handle pressing business. I left it at that. Apparently they were also a VIP group in the BC, because after they sat down the pussy parade kicked into high gear. I observed. And I found it was good.

I'm having a great time because it's a seedy, edgy place. Yo soy tan barrio. It's my kind of place. The evening progresses and we are talking about all kinds of stuff at the table. It's the kind of conversation that you can only have live and in person. Where everyone is on vacation and having fun. Pussy is parading around the table. Up and down the street. In and out of the bar, man I'm loving this scene.

GoGo comes back to the table and tells me that the waitress that I'm waiting on propositioned him in the bathroom. I'm like did you fuck her? He's like "She was suppose to be waiting on my boy". I'm like "No man you are supposed to take that opportunity". He told me he left to tell me about it and I'm like "You passed up the pussy?" he's like "I think she is on drugs or drunk". I say, "That's great". He tells me "I need to ask her about it". I tell him "Ask her about what? I'm still going to fuck her if you didn't". Like Rick James says "The kind you don't take home to mother. " LOL But I respect what you did bro. Being the narcissist that I am. If the situation was reversed, I would have fucked her and told him about it later. But hey that's me. And everybody here knows me. Right?

I was already in the twilight zone, but now we just moved into the third dimension of craziness. He's pointing to her and saying that's her. That's her. Yeah my man that's her. LOL I had over to talk to her about it. But of course she denies it, lights up a cigarette and asks me to buy her a beer. Too cool. I tell her maybe later. I tell her I want to have a beer with her after work. She tells me she has another hour. For me it's all good. Hit me on whatsapp when you are done with work. I'm going to Batay. And I head back to my table. It's about midnight maybe one in the morning I am not keeping track. GoGo wants to show me Batay. I'm cool with that. I got the waitress' number as the fall back position if nothing is going down there.

So we walked down the street to Batay. Up the stairs and in. It's great. I love the place. It's huge, wide open, but pretty desolate inside because this is an off night. But I actually like these conditions. We run into this crazy woman GoGo calls Ms. Santiago. She's all up in my grill. But there is just something not right about this girl. So we dance a little bit then I send her on her way because optical sensors just picke up a target of interest, a smoking hot chica that's behind her. Turns out the chicas I am interested is the cousin of one of Gogo's friends. He explained the relationship to me, but to be honest, he lost me because I wasn't really listening. I was focused on the smoking hot chica!

I rolled up on my target and start talking. She doesn't understand me at all. I'm thinking my Spanish is bad but it's not that bad. Her cousin tells me she's only been in the country for five days. It's French, Creole and a little bit of English. Oh hell yes! High value target 12 o'clock. I'm tracking. The cousin of the chica invites me to sit down at their table. We are having a conversation and it's a blast because it just like picking up a girl in a regular nightclub. I buy the cousin and her drinks. They are drinking Pina Colada's and they really got me on that one it was 400 pesos, for both. LOL. It's time to arm the moisture seeking missile. Onto the dance floor for some dirty dancing. She's grinding that big O ass on me. I am authorized to engage. I got tone! I got tone! Out the door and down the stairs to waiting motos. We are up, we are on and we are off. I'm on my second Moto ride of the trip with a chica. I'm feeling her up her up really good and I'm liking everything I be puttin my hands on. Riding into the night with a pure sense of anticipation of the bedroom adventure coming up. BOOYAO!

So we arrive at the Villa. GoGo says no matter how good your game is BC always gets you for from 100 to 500 pesos. It's just so relentless that it happens to everybody. Tonight is my turn: Normally it's 50 pesos to ride from the club where I picked up my Haitian hottie to my hotel. So two people is 100 pesos. We arrive at the hotel my date is Haitian, the driver is Haitian and he tells me "My brother we are both black and I know you're going to take care of me so just give me what you want. " I'm thinking oh shit, I'm about to get jacked. He's trying to play on "I don't want to look cheap in front of my date" but I give him the standard hundred pesos that I know is right. At which point he goes off. "Is that THAT the best you could do for me my brother? I'm thinking: "don't hit this mother fucker, don't hit him. I know that's what he needs right now but don't do it. Stay calm, I got this smoking hot chica here. She's ready to go and no you're not going to do this to me. You are not going to spoil my mood and my adventure". I gave him another hundred pesos. Go away fuck away with your trifling ass.

In the front gate, into lobby, stop by the front desk, hands over her cedula? Five days in the country and you have a cedula? Hmmmm. How did that happen? The pending action puts that question on the back burner. Up the stairs and into the room. She's a sweetheart. The panties come off and her entire ass is tatted up. It was big. It was firm. It was the kind of ass "even white boys have to shout Baby got Back". She was very sensual and loving. But when it was time rock the party, she took the dick with no complaints about me going too hard, being to big or position changes. I spent a lot of time in doggy so I could observe the work she had done. It was great. It was actually better then any sex I've had with a Dominican here on the island. It was the second experience with a Haitian chica that I've had like that. She left me completely satisfied.

She hit the shower afterwards and even though it was late she wanted to go home. Although we never discussed money, I left some for her when she was in the shower. She comes out of the shower, gets dressed. She looks at it, picks it up, counts it. She has a sad pouty look on her face. I ask if something is wrong. She says yes. "What's wrong?" I ask. It's not enough. I'm like no? How much do you want? She tells me. I say not a problem for you my love and give it to her. She lights up. I don't care. The experience for me was priceless!

Even though it is late (almost 4 AM) she says she wants to go home. So we are down the stairs. She retrieves her ID and the front desk clerk sees her out. I'm back up the stairs and checking my phone. Nothing. I hit up my waitress. I ask if she was still interested. I received an immediate response. She said yes. But tells me she saw me with another chica and so didn't want to bother me. Good chica, I like that. She asked if she could see me now. I told her I needed to get some sleep. I would holla at her later. She's on my to do list for next trip.

Lights out!

[GrownMan1]

Sub you have the typical motor scooter game Run on you. Those MF see that you're with a chica, know you're only concerned about getting her to the hotel. He saw an opportunity to played on your pride. Bad enough you're paying a hundred pesos for a 50 pesos ride. Then he bothered you 4 an extra tip. That's Boca Chica for you. Almost everyone on the strip are opportunist. They eat off people with short patiences or look like they have more money then they have time. I never told this story before. One trip in Boca Chica a guy asked me to watch my car. I told him the car doesn't need watching. However it Boca Chica so when I came back to my car with my afternoon snack, guess who was standing there with their hands out. I reached in my pocket and gave him three $0. 01 pesos. He looked at the money then gave it back to me. For the rest of the week I carried three pesos in my pocket for those beggars. Once the word got around I had a little peace except for the shoeshine boys. Now I don't talk or speak to people I don't know. I' m surprised you let him get away with that my brother we are both black shit. These uneducated people are smart enough to play your color against you.
They know that some Black Americans will have sympathy toward other black struggling. As Don King would say " only in America". A Dominican can give less than a damn about the Black American struggle for equal opportunity. As far as he is concerned he's not black he's Dominican. And Dominicans come in all shades. They only use it on tourist of color when they think it will work. Believe it or not it got me a little upset when I read your report.

[SubCmdr]

Sub you have the typical motor scooter game Run on you. Those MF see that you're with a chica, know you're only concerned about getting her to the hotel. He was an opportunity to played on your pride. Bad enough you're paying a hundred pesos for a 50 pesos ride. Then he bothered you 4 an extra tip. That's Boca Chica for you. Almost everyone on the strip are opportunist. They eat off people with short patience or look like they have more money then they have time. I never heard this story before. One time and Boca Chica a guy asked me to watch my car. I told him the car doesn't need watching. However is Boca Chica so when I came back to my car I guess who was standing there with their hands out. I reached in my pocket and gave him three $0. 01 pesos. He looked at the money then gave it back to me. For the rest of the week I carried three pesos in my pocket for those beggars. Once the word got around I had a little peace except for the shoeshine boys. Now I don't talk or speak to people I don't know. I'm surprised you let him get away with that my brother we are both black shit. These uneducated people are smart enough to play your color against you.

They know that some Black Americans will have sympathy toward other black struggling. As Don King would say " only in America". A Dominican can give less than a damn about the Black American struggle for equal opportunity. As far as he is concerned he's not black he's Dominican. And Dominicans come in all shades. They only use it on tourist of color when they think it will work. Believe it or not it got me a little upset when I read your report.Copy that Grownman. It was only my third moto ride since I've been here. I don't like the odds running around Santo Domingo. And now that I have the gran jefe mobile I don't have much need for them. But I have no problem getting outside of my comfort zone and reporting about my adventures. There are those on this board that are extremely critical of me and my style of writing. But they are only critics. And we know it is not the critic who counts.

You called it right. Lack of patience. A trait you see displayed on this board when I'm engaging the critics in meaningless discussions. And it's been pointed out to me by many that I spend my money imprudently especially when it comes to the chicas. Maybe someone will read my post and not make the same mistake I did or maybe they will handle it in a better way if they find themselves in the same situation. I put the story out there for others to learn. I didn't know. So that's my bad. Now I know. Live and learn. How does the saying go? Fool me once. LOL Never again!

Men in the Arena vs. Critics. It's pretty easy to see who's who, wouldn't ya say?

[Revere]

I have a funny story that I will share. A little different from what we talk about. I do not know why, but just feeling like sharing it now. So, I am in in Rio De Jenerio about 10 years ago staying on Cocabana beach. Help is still going strong, but I am into hanging out in Rochina the largest favela in Rio. I really like the vibe and even though this might sound crazy it was relatively safe because a drug gang controlled it. In Rio, at night you could only take out a limited amount of money but an ATM machine in this favela you could take out unlimited funds. I ask someone why that was and he said the drug gang is about making money and they will not allow people coming into the favela to be robbed buying drugs. They controlled it. Anyway, long story short I met this cool cat that did a cross fit program for underprivileged kids and I thought that was great and started coming to volunteer. He was trying to keep young kids away from the violence, which I thought was admirable.

Long story short, one day I get on the van to go to Rochina from Cococabana and van is packed I am sitting in the back seat. Now, I am dressed in air force one's with cap and jeans hip hop style. I am not wearing sandals and shorts to blend in they know I am not from there so why pretend. Interestingly, in the favela people first thought I was a black Columbian so they would speak Spanish to me. So, I am in this packed van heading to Rochina when the man who takes the money starts clowning me and people are laughing at me. Now, I did not speak Portuguese at the time, but I knew he is clowning me and everyone is laughing but two people sitting next to me in the back seat. The people in back seat feel bad, but just stay quiet and do not say anything. Now, he keeps getting worse and everyone is laughing. I am angry and embarrassed all at the same time and do not know if I should just get off the van. I decide to call my friend who lives in Rochina who speaks English to tell him I have a problem. So, people on the van see and hear me make a call and speak in English and I am sure they only understood the word problem they do no know what I am saying. So, I am talking to my friend who is a nice guy no gangster just helping out kids in the favela, but they do not know that. I hand the phone to the man who takes the money from the passengers who I can see is a little nervous when I hand him the phone. My friend speaks in Portuguese and say's to him "is there a problem, why you treating my friend bad" and the man who takes the money speaks back to him in Portuguese "no problem everything is okay". The people in the van gasp when they hear the man say that and the whole van gets very quiet. Now, mind you before I hand him the phone everyone is laughing van is very loud, but now you could literally hear a pin drop. People did not know who I called now the whole hip-hop look comes right back to help me because they are thinking did he just call a drug lord in Rochina no! However, people in van do not know who I called they just immediately think the worse. Now, the two people next me are all happy and talking to me now because they want to make sure they are my friend. Everyone, else is on the van is quiet not saying a word and I do not care because they wanted to play so I am just going to let it play out. Now, as we get closer to Rochina people are becoming visibly more nervous as they do not know if someone is going to be they're waiting for us. In fact, I think people got out early because they were scared something might happen at the last stop. Usually, the van is packed at the end, but when we got to last stop only 5 passengers on the van me the two people next to me in the back and two other passengers with the driver and man who takes the passengers money. Last stop we arrive money taker is in a panic I get off shake his hand and he offers to give my bus fare back and I said no we okay I actually gave him a little tip to really play up the hype and he is so relieved and thankful. If only he knew it was just my friend who helps children that I called. Lesson learned to them you never know who anybody is so always be respectful!

[Revere]

I have a funny story that I will share. A little different from what we talk about. I do not know why, but just feeling like sharing it now. So, I am in in Rio De Jenerio about 10 years ago staying on Cocabana beach. Help is still going strong, but I am into hanging out in Rochina the largest favela in Rio. I really like the vibe and even though this might sound crazy it was relatively safe because a drug gang controlled it. In Rio, at night you could only take out a limited amount of money but an ATM machine in this favela you could take out unlimited funds. I ask someone why that was and he said the drug gang is about making money and they will not allow people coming into the favela to be robbed buying drugs. They controlled it. Anyway, long story short I met this cool cat that did a cross fit program for underprivileged kids and I thought that was great and started coming to volunteer. He was trying to keep young kids away from the violence, which I thought was admirable.

Long story short, one day I get on the van to go to Rochina from Cococabana and van is packed I am sitting in the back seat. Now, I am dressed in air force one's with cap and jeans hip hop style. I am not wearing sandals and shorts to blend in they know I am not from there so why pretend. Interestingly, in the favela people first thought I was a black Columbian so they would speak Spanish to me. So, I am in this packed van heading to Rochina when the man who takes the money starts clowning me and people are laughing at me. Now, I did not speak Portuguese at the time, but I knew he is clowning me and everyone is laughing but two people sitting next to me in the back seat. The people in back seat feel bad, but just stay quiet and do not say anything. Now, he keeps getting worse and everyone is laughing. I am angry and embarrassed all at the same time and do not know if I should just get off the van. I decide to call my friend who lives in Rochina who speaks English to tell him I have a problem. So, people on the van see and hear me make a call and speak in English and I am sure they only understood the word problem they do no know what I am saying. So, I am talking to my friend who is a nice guy no gangster just helping out kids in the favela, but they do not know that. I hand the phone to the man who takes the money from the passengers who I can see is a little nervous when I hand him the phone. My friend speaks in Portuguese and say's to him "is there a problem, why you treating my friend bad" and the man who takes the money speaks back to him in Portuguese "no problem everything is okay". The people in the van gasp when they hear the man say that and the whole van gets very quiet. Now, mind you before I hand him the phone everyone is laughing van is very loud, but now you could literally hear a pin drop. People did not know who I called now the whole hip-hop look comes right back to help me because they are thinking did he just call a drug lord in Rochina no! However, people in van do not know who I called they just immediately think the worse. Now, the two people next me are all happy and talking to me now because they want to make sure they are my friend. Everyone, else is on the van is quiet not saying a word and I do not care because they wanted to play so I am just going to let it play out. Now, as we get closer to Rochina people are becoming visibly more nervous as they do not know if someone is going to be they're waiting for us. In fact, I think people got out early because they were scared something might happen at the last stop. Usually, the van is packed at the end, but when we got to last stop only 5 passengers on the van me the two people next to me in the back and two other passengers with the driver and man who takes the passengers money. Last stop we arrive money taker is in a panic I get off shake his hand and he offers to give my bus fare back and I said no we okay I actually gave him a little tip to really play up the hype and he is so relieved and thankful. If only he knew it was just my friend who helps children that I called. Lesson learned to them you never know who anybody is so always be respectful!Sorry I spelt Rocinha wrong for the grammer crowd.

[Mr Gogo]

Thanks for posting bro. We aren't that formal over here so don't worry about the grammar crowd. I always enjoy your adventures especially the one about your visit to " La Victoria" the famous Dominican prison located outside of Santo Domingo. Matter of fact I think I might go back into the Gogo forum and pull that one up for people who haven't read that report. You took us into the prison with you on that one.

[Frannie]

Sorry I spelt Rocinha wrong for the grammer crowd.Thanks for thinking of us! We love to see our name spelled wrong.

Signed. The Grammar Croud.

[Tempoecorto]

Sorry I spelt Rocinha wrong for the grammer crowd.I must admit that in a forum for grown ups, I like to see the "I" s dotted and the "t" s crossed. But this is an international forum and not all here has English as their native tongue; Besides with cell phone and email, it is hard to make sure that edits are right. In this case, however, the name of a place in Brazil, where I have never been would not have made an iota of a difference at least to me and the story was very nice.

Thanks, Revere!

[Houston Player]

Sorry I spelt Rocinha wrong for the grammer crowd.You also spelled Rio de Janeiro incorrectly but no one cares.

[GrownMan1]

Thanks for posting bro. We aren't that formal over here so don't worry about the grammar crowd. I always enjoy your adventures especially the one about your visit to " La Victoria" the famous Dominican prison located outside of Santo Domingo. Matter of fact I think I might go back into the Gogo forum and pull that one up for people who haven't read that report. You took us into the prison with you on that one.Post it please because I liked this story.

[Mr Gogo]

La Victoria Prison Visit.

By way of background, La Victoria Prison is the largest prison in The Dominican Republic with over 4, 000 inmates. This is where the real bad boys live. I heard that they running close to 5, 000 inmates. La Victoria is located about an hour outside Santo Domingo I cannot tell you the town but it seem to have farms around it.

Here goes, the first thing I would say with all seriousness I would not wish my worse enemy to have to go here. It starts out that you form two lines. One for men and another for women. The man line is very short as mostly mothers, girlfriends and family are visiting the inmates. You can bring all kinds of stuff in from food to clothing. Food is very important I will get to that later. We brought in food and a fan for my novia's brothers cell. The search process is pretty standard I heard horror stories that I would have to pull my pants down, but none of that happen. They did pat me down. I was with my novia's step father and was fine until he kept saying I was American which then made every officer ask me for money. I went through three light searches and just when I was about to enter the yard they told me my sneakers might cause problems. So you guess it I had to walk all the back to the car and rent flip flops for 50 pesos.

Now, I was not scared until I finally made it through all the searches and I could see inmates just waiting to talk to you when you went through your final search. Just as an aside, the place is old decrepit and just nasty. Nothing new in this place. Before I hit the yard, I passed by the administrative offices and I saw a European man standing by himself around 50 and he just looked llike all hope was lost. I looked him in the eye and he looked at me and I truly felt sad for him. I just could not imagine what he was going through. This is no place for a foreigner.

The yard. Nothing can prepare you from walking past the last guard down a narrow walkway into a sea of roughly 2,000 inmates maybe more just standing there looking at you with some running up to you grabbing you asking for money. It will go down as one of the most shocking experiences in my life. Because I had to go back to the car my novia, her aunt and mother were already ushered into my novia's cell block. So, here we are in a yard with over 2000 inmates no guards standing looking stupid. I tried not to look scared, but I was scared I cannot lie. Finally, an inmate asked who are you here to see and we gave the name. He said follow him through just a swarm of inmates. I cannot describe to you to be around real bad inmates with no guard in sight. It is just something I will never forget. Do not worry it gets better. So, I am following this inmate and as we enter the cell block it is pitch black no fricken lights he grabbed my hand and pulled me along. At this point, I do not know if he is leading to my novia's cell or death. I am serious inmates walking past you in total darkness. How you can survive in that environment is beyond me.

As Tony Soprano says to her sister after she is running back to Seattle after killing her husband, all in all it was a good visit. All seriousness, try never go to crazy and get yourself into trouble as they will send you hear to teach you a lesson. Back to the European, he was given 10 years for having sex with a 15 year girl. When I left to walk back out he was in the exact same spot that I first saw him three hours ago he had not moved. By himself looking hopeless. They got him good and in there no one will save you. You are on your own.

I forgot to finish, but there is no cafeteria that I saw. A church group was serving food to the poor inmates and the poor inmate were desperate for food. The guards beat them to keep them in check with metal rods. Just horrible. If you do not have money or means in there, you are not going to make it. I will try to put some more thought later. Those are my initial thoughts. Be safe.

[Tempoecorto]

but I'm also a little confused. If you don't care what the women are doing then why be a WU daddy?.I thought I would respond here without bothering others with petty details.

I think the confusion is due to a matter of definition.

1. I use WU but neither do I send something periodically nor to one person. Everyone gets something on a 'as required" basis.

2. As mentioned, the stable is also changed periodically, at my behest or people just drop off.

3. I have no "quid pro quo" expectations. If at times, I "lose" money, so be it.

Because of all those factors, I have no need to check anyone's whereabouts. They are not "my girls" but independent beings and I wish them luck traversing their hard existence.

[OldKool]

When you have girls who meet your needs and are not working girls you build special relationship. They provide you with very good sex and GFE. You provide them gifts and cash when it is reasonable for you. The sex with these ladies is usually a step above the average spot fuck.


I thought I would respond here without bothering others with petty details.

I think the confusion is due to a matter of definition.

1. I use WU but neither do I send something periodically nor to one person. Everyone gets something on a 'as required" basis.

2. As mentioned, the stable is also changed periodically, at my behest or people just drop off.

3. I have no "quid pro quo" expectations. If at times, I "lose" money, so be it.

Because of all those factors, I have no need to check anyone's whereabouts. They are not "my girls" but independent beings and I wish them luck traversing their hard existence.

[Mr Gogo]

Default.

There is an exclusive article in Hoy today in which the 'tourist sector' of Sosua denounces the government for lack of investment in the area. Those representatives go on to demand that the town is restored as a family holiday destination with the removal of prostitution.

http://hoy.com.do/sector-turistico-d...as-prometidas/


Web translation for those interested.

Sosua, Puerto Plata. - Hospitality of this tourist destination of North Coast feels abandoned by the Government, because the works promised to no one knows when to start, and others that are running it is unknown when it will be completed.

The complaint that most often heard on the part of tourist representatives is that with the official sector "we have not had the luck of other destinations, where the governmental hand has been felt generously in regards to the construction of economic and social development".

Representatives of the Asociacióand de Desarrollo de Cabarete (ADECA), Association of hotels and restaurants Sosua-Cabarete (Ashoresoca) and the Association for the sustainable development of Sosúa (ADSS) listed in a document delivered last May 24 President Danilo Medina the five priority projects for the development of both communities.

Among these works are cited the construction of the project of vendors on the beach of this village square; the construction of the public hospital to Sosua and Cabarete. The renovation of the Centre of the tourist district of Cabarete, and the completion of the plant of treatment of residual waters to both poles.

Also included is a frontal attack against prostitution which affects Sosua, which has overflowed.

The directors of the ADSS, Andrés G. Pastoriza, Loli Polanco Escaño and David Ferreiras Jiménez, and Humberto Pichardo, Ashoresoca, agreed that the execution of these works are necessary to boost the tourist revival of "our communities, attract tourists and investors, encourage the reopening of currently closed hotels and the construction of new plants of this genus".

In addition they said, in an exclusive interview for today, that these actions are essential to boost the economy of this region, creating new centers of work and contribute our share in the growth in the arrival of more tourists.

The tourism entrepreneurs raise that efforts in recent times by the Government and the Ministry of tourism, including the private sector in Sosua-Cabarete, "have not been sufficient to relaunch tourism in these communities to recover from the drastic decline in almost 50% suffered in the arrival of foreign passengers in the last decade".

Prostitution. Pastoriza recalls that in the past, Sosua was a destination for family tourism, but in the last 15 years, this has changed drastically, because prostitution "us clothes so urgent that we rescue which in the past helped us support economically through a completely healthy activity and not contaminated as currently happens".

He said that it is necessary that order and to relocate to the prostitutes so Sosua regain its family tourism.

According to data provided by hoteliers, thousands of sex workers offer services in the sector of El Batey, and most are of Haitian nationality.

Among the Dominicans a large part comes from Santiago, Navarrete, Licey medium, Boca Chica, San Cristóbal, La Vega and Bonao, which arrive in buses to install especially in the calle Pedro Clisante to offer afternoon and evening services to tourists.

Seat worth argued that this adds the male prostitution, since a large number of men from other villages, which are controlled by buscones Haitians, are installed in small hotels in Sosua with the purpose of selling sexual favors.

He argued that the small hotels promotes sex tourism, even t-shirts that were sold before with the emblem "Sosúa no Problem" have disappeared from the market and this greatly worries because "we are selling in international markets as a paradise for the aberrant practice allowing prostitution in the world".

"That is not tourism we want in our community, but the healthy activity that we offer to our visitors through the jazz festivals, gastronomic, marathons of athletics and extreme sports competitions, and cultural activities".

While Ferreiras Jiménez said that the problem of prostitution has affected businesses small and large of Sosua, because tourists have moved away from the area.

"Families of Moca, La Vega, Santiago, Jarabacoa, Mao (Valverde) who had holiday rentals between Sosua-Cabarete have abandoned them because they don't want their wives and daughters to be confused with prostitutes, nor children attend is involved in drug Affairs. ".

Upload occupation, but chaos abounds. Pichardo, however, stressed that, despite the many problems having Sosua "our occupation has been rising because we just leave a semester with a percentage above 90%.

He stressed that the Casa Marina hotel, that is your responsibility as a Manager is characterized by 85% of families and couples, tourism while recognizing that other insignificant groups come to our company in Sosua to search other types of activities.

But the favorable news collides with another, as the representatives of these entities ensure that Sosua is arrabalizada and mired in "organized chaos".

And that chaos is the motoconcho, and houses that proliferate on the beach of this coast, as in Cabarete.

[Mr Gogo]

Did anyone see where they said arrivals for tourism is down 50 percent over the last decade? Or that most of the working girls are Haitian? And that male sex workers are dominating? Where are they getting this false information from?

[Questner]

Did anyone see where they said arrivals for tourism is down 50 percent over the last decade? Or that most of the working girls are Haitian? And that male sex workers are dominating? Where are they getting this false information from?

http://hoy.com.do/sector-turistico-de-sosua-denuncia-el-gobierno-olvida-obras-prometidas

Overall on average capacity utilization for hotels in Sosua is 50% for years. It has nothing to do with arrivals, which is not true. They try to 'relocate' Haitians, a known fact, they will tolerate p4 p as long as it is of any colour but 'black'. But in my view the intention of this and other similar articles are different, these are business intentions of certain individuals.

[Sammon]

It can be argued tourism is definitely down some percentage. I remember there were many all inclusive resorts brimming with patron from Puerto Plata to Cabarete. Most of them are closed down and or scaled down.

Having said that the question is is it because of prostitution? I'm my opinion NO. Prostitution is confined to Sosua strip only. None of the family people hang out there as far as I know since a number of years I have been there. Why should they. They have everything in the resort including casino, Disco, drinks, activities, private beach, food etc.

I guess politicians instead of improving infra structure and building other attractions are blaming prostitution for the decline. If it is stopped Sosua will be a ghost town. Scores of businesses will close. Manicure, pedicure, massage etc businesses will close and the workers will be starving. Hotels will close as well.

I doubt very much if it is going to happen. It is just during election lots of finger pointing and blaming going on. There is no way they can round up Haitians and deport them. Many of them are long time residents.

Actually over the years number of girls coming to Sosua have declined. I remember good looking girls used to come from all over. Nowadays you see mostly regulars and some nearby girls.

Yes, if they put their mind to it they can eliminate prostitution. But it does require harassing foreign visitors. Flip side is it will not help trying to woo tourists in the first place. No country in the world puts restrictions on tourists telling them what they can do and cannot. No tourists will go to any country which does that.

My two cents worth. Let us wait and see.

[Oakie]

The only thing to remember about politicians, is "Don't watch what they say, watch what they DO!

If they are talking, they are not doing anything.

Most of the businesses in the Sosua area are dependent, one way or another, on the money that prostitution brings in. The only family business they have is on weekends, and holidays, and they don't spend enough around town to make a difference.

Nobody wants to publicly admit it, especially politicians, is all.

Business as usual, driven by the economy of the US/EU, and whatever is going on in other adult mongering destinations, like Cuba, CR, Asia and the rest.

[Frannie]

No country in the world puts restrictions on tourists telling them what they can do and cannot. No tourists will go to any country which does that.

My two cents worth. Let us wait and see.The US will never get any tourists, then.

[Frannie]

http://hoy.com.do/sector-turistico-de-sosua-denuncia-el-gobierno-olvida-obras-prometidas

Overall on average capacity utilization for hotels in Sosua is 50% for years. It has nothing to do with arrivals, which is not true. They try to 'relocate' Haitians, a known fact, they will tolerate p4 p as long as it is of any colour but 'black'. But in my view the intention of this and other similar articles are different, these are business intentions of certain individuals.The high cost of air fares to POP airport does not help much, does it?

[Questner]

The high cost of air fares to POP airport does not help much, does it?It does not. However it would fair to compare Pto Pta and Punta Cana. Punta Cana does much better. Examine each factor and get a quick answer why. Compare availability of direct flights and their cost, quality of hotels (rooms, catering, entertainment), local political affiliations etc. PC is more expensive but gets significantly larger and more stable tourism.

[Yanqui69]

It does not. However it would fair to compare Pto Pta and Punta Cana. Punta Cana does much better. Examine each factor and get a quick answer why. Compare availability of direct flights and their cost, quality of hotels (rooms, catering, entertainment), local political affiliations etc. PC is more expensive but gets significantly larger and more stable tourism.Might also be that upscale businesses, or luxury resorts, like the Punta Cana area, are less susceptible to economic factors. On the other hand, the more mid-range or "economy" accommodations, dependent on the middle class, rise and fall with the economic situation. The US middle class is still trying to recover from the Great Recession and near economic collapse of 2008. Those at the top, however, have been little affected.

[Mr Enternational]

It all centers on the beach. Bavaro / Punta Cana has the best beaches in the country, so that has become the resort area. I have never seen the beach at Lifestyles in Puerto Plata, but the ones in Costambar, Puerto Plata, Sosua, and Cabarette are all garbage in comparison to the beaches out east.

[Haven123]

It all centers on the beach. Bavaro / Punta Cana has the best beaches in the country, so that has become the resort area. I have never seen the beach at Lifestyles in Puerto Plata, but the ones in Costambar, Puerto Plata, Sosua, and Cabarette are all garbage in comparison to the beaches out east.There are a few beaches within Lifestyle Puerto Plata resort. The main one by The Tropical is poor. The other ones, such as Cofresi, are for the VIP gold band members who have bought the BS timeshares. I have not visited them. But from afar they looked better, private, very clean and unspoiled. But the water and temp are probably the same as by The Tropical, and not for me.

IMO, the best beaches in the world are in Hawaii. PR, Aruba and St Maarten in Caribb (I have not been to Bermuda though) have some decent beaches but the waters of the Caribb are quite different in salinity and temp (hardness) and the sands are different too. In Hawaii the best sand is mostly from Coral. Don't care for Australia, the Greek Isles, Costa del Sol (not bad) , and never been impressed by beaches in Rio, Fortaleza, or even Cebu in the Phil. But, people rave about Fiji. I need to get to Fiji and also Key West though.

[Frannie]

IMO, the best beaches in the world are in Hawaii. PR, Aruba and St Maarten in Caribb (I have not been to Bermuda though) have some decent beaches but the waters of the Caribb are quite different in salinity and temp (hardness) and the sands are different too..I have not been to most of those places, but I lived for many years in Bermuda and can say that the beaches were the best I have ever seen. Many sheltered bays with pink sand and clear turquoise waters, ideal for swimming, snorkeling, sunbathing, walking, jogging, watching fish, and so on. Tobacco Bay, Fort St. Catherine, John Smith's Bay, Devonshire Bay, Elbow Bay Beach, Warwick Long Bay, Stonehole Bay, Jobson's Cove, Horseshoe Bay, Shelly Bay, Church Bay, Somerset Long Beach--all wonderful beaches with fond memories for me. Also the rocky North Shore walk along the abandoned railroad line is very beautiful, and St. David's Head park walking along the top of the cliffs.

Overall I would say that Bermuda is the most beautiful place I have ever lived with its winding lanes lined with oleander and hibiscus, and pastel painted houses with white roofs. Many posh gated communities in Florida try to create a Bermuda-type ambience, but they don't get anywhere close.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/d7/ec/61/d7ec610be00ba04722afca892cd7b961.jpg

[Haven123]

I have not been to most of those places, but I lived for many years in Bermuda and can say that the beaches were the best I have ever seen. Many sheltered bays with pink sand and clear turquoise waters, ideal for swimming, snorkeling, sunbathing, walking, jogging, watching fish, and so on. Tobacco Bay, Fort St. Catherine, John Smith's Bay, Devonshire Bay, Elbow Bay Beach, Warwick Long Bay, Stonehole Bay, Jobson's Cove, Horseshoe Bay, Shelly Bay, Church Bay, Somerset Long Beach--all wonderful beaches with fond memories for me. Also the rocky North Shore walk along the abandoned railroad line is very beautiful, and St. David's Head park walking along the top of the cliffs.

Overall I would say that Bermuda is the most beautiful place I have ever lived with its winding lanes lined with oleander and hibiscus, and pastel painted houses with white roofs. Many posh gated communities in Florida try to create a Bermuda-type ambience, but they don't get anywhere close.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/d7/ec/61/d7ec610be00ba04722afca892cd7b961.jpgThanks and adding to my bucket list along with Fiji and Tahiti.

[SavePros321]

IMO, the best beaches in the world are in Hawaii. PR, Aruba and St Maarten in Caribb (I have not been to Bermuda though) have some decent beaches but the waters of the Caribb are quite different in salinity and temp (hardness) and the sands are different too. In Hawaii the best sand is mostly from Coral. I second Hawaii. Lived there for 4 yrs. You can actually open your eyes underwater and see everything crystal clear and not have your eye burning (the water is not as salty as other beaches here in the US).

[Tempoecorto]

Overall I would say that Bermuda is the most beautiful place I have ever lived with its winding lanes lined with oleander and hibiscus, and pastel painted houses with white roofs.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/d7/ec/61/d7ec610be00ba04722afca892cd7b961.jpgThat is a beautiful description of the place, I could almost see it in my mind's eye, fragrant oleanders waving in the wind. On the other hand, the photo scares me a little, are those corals? Coral is sharp and cuts. You have to wear at least some kind of footwear.

On another note, to Haven 123, having been to Tahiti a couple of times, I would say it is picturesque, the clear turquoise water, the lagoons you can gaze at or swim to, some beaches even with small islets with coconut palms. As you go around the island, there is a road circumnavigating the island, you see some beaches are serene and some are with huge waves, that attracts the surfers. The most interesting thing was the black sand on some beaches, shiny black grains of sand. Forget women there though, unless you are in the black pearl business! LOL.

Also, the Southern State of Kerala in India has beautiful beaches, facing the Arabian ocean, many coconut palm tree filled inlets and beaches with black sand and wonder of all, copper colored sand, something I have never seen anywhere else so far.

[Mr Enternational]

Maldives gets my vote.

[Haven123]

Maldives gets my vote.Have you been to the Maldives, Mr ENT?

Tempo, I agree with Kerala, as I have been there, but beaches tend not to be clean! And the canals and waterways in Kerala (where the houseboats ply) are also quite unclean. But sunsets are eerily beautiful on the waterways, while on the houseboats. Although no match to pristine beauty of Lahaina and Kaanapali in Maui, IMO.

[Boeing 787]

Maldives gets my vote.Yes, all of this place are very nice but me I like more when the local female are hot and easy of access, but maldives, kerala, Fiji or others beautiful place are not the "punter paradise ".

[Frannie]

That is a beautiful description of the place, I could almost see it in my mind's eye, fragrant oleanders waving in the wind. On the other hand, the photo scares me a little, are those corals? Coral is sharp and cuts. You have to wear at least some kind of footwear.
No, what you are seeing there are volcanic rocks made of frozen lava, and yes, they are razor sharp, and some parts of the coastline in Bermuda are quite dangerous to try to walk on for that reason, but not the beaches I mentioned above. There are also corals (the most northerly in the world), but they are not particularly sharp or dangerous and tend to be smoothed out by the action of the water.

[Tempoecorto]

Yes, all of this place are very nice but me I like more when the local female are hot and easy of access, but maldives, kerala, Fiji or others beautiful place are not the "punter paradise ".I could not agree more. My first time experience with an willing young woman from La Vega, of playing in the water. The beach was secluded but in the classic DR style, she did not know how to swim so it was kind of dicey. "Sex on the beach" is highly overrated (with the ubiquitous sand. Icks!) but in the water, even if brackish, it was an interesting first time for me. Yeah. Sosua gets my vote.

[SavePros321]

but maldives, kerala, Fiji or others beautiful place are not the "punter paradise ".Yeah, those are more like places you bring "sand to the beach". Best left for ball players and Hollywood types that can travel with a harem, LOL.

[Mr Gogo]

I've been keeping up with the Brent Lewis murder case. Brent was an American, and the owner of Perla de sol in Sosua. His female friend and her boyfriend, Frankie Fixit are currently on trial for murder. The case has body parts, Russian mafia and corrupt lawyers. Now frankyfixit has joined the blog to tell his side of the murder for which he is on trial for.

Pm me for the blog link if you are interested but that topic shouldn't be discussed here.

[Mr Gogo]

By Mr E;

Sosua Sucks.

Disclaimer: Last night was Tuesday. If anyone who has been to Sosua in the last month would care to rebuff my report then please step in to do so.

Gogo posted something last week about the politicians saying they will stamp out prostitution in Sosua. Well at this rate they won't have to lift a finger; prostitution in Sosua is going to stamp itself out. I went out to the strip last night at 1 am when my Puerto Plata girl left. (And thank god she came, because if it wasn't for her then I would have had a dry dick last night.) It was an about face from when I was last here Superbowl weekend. The place was on life support last night. But what was left there to keep it alive was killing it faster than anything. There were so many hair hat creatures (and they were trying to touch me, ewww) that I thought I was in Dana Dane's Nightmares video.

Usually when someone comes on ISG and says they couldn't find anyone to fuck in a particular location I think they must have been either high or drunk. But this time I am a total believer. I wouldn't fuck 98% of the chicks who were out last night with Old Kool's dick; and I am probably the least picky monger that I know. The sexiest chick that I saw was a Haitian honey with a fade. Besides her there were 2 chicks sitting inside of Merengue that I would have run through. But every last am one of those other chicks had no business even showing up last night.

There were not many people out at all to begin with. I could have literally parked the car in front of either Clasico or Rumba, but instead I parked at the corner of El Flow. I feel sorry for the guys who already have a trip booked. Good luck brothers. I would say there are more tourists out right now in the daytime than there were monger and hookers out. There are plenty of cars parked on the streets now at 11 am, whereas last night there were hardly any. I'm about to drive my ass back to the milk and honey land of Santo Domingo. Glad I have a car. I won't even look back at this place in the rearview mirror.

[Mr Gogo]

Camaro's Santo Domingo excursion.

I ran into a Dominican Cupid chica I liked and I had a Boca Chica and another Santo Domingo chica in que so I made a Santo Domingo excursion from Puerto Plata. I tried to find an apartment on Airbnb but I was unsuccessful in locating anything close to the Malecon and I wanted to be in an area I was familiar with so I found a place at Hotel Shakey.

Hotel Shakey, Santo Domingo.

Hotel Shakey is located on Avenida Pasture in between Avenida George Washington and Avenida Indepencia. It is a good centrally located spot with casas and restaurants within walking distance.

Although this is a hotel the rooms are set up like apartments with a kitchen area, dining room area and living room area with a bedroom and a public bathroom and private bathroom in the master bedroom. The kitchen was cool but there was no conventional oven nor was there a microwave over for heating up your food.

The staff was great although some do not speak English. I did have a few complaints, there is a private garage but it is very small and I have a big SUV so it was difficult to maneuver. The absence of a microwave means you can't heat up leftovers unless you put them on the stove. Finally I got hit with the IBITS tax which after 3 days was pretty steep.

Over all I enjoyed the experience, the location, it was quiet the facility is immaculate and I felt like I was home when I was there.

Pasture 8 Sport Bar & Car Wash.

Pasture 8 Sport Bar & Car Wash is located on Avenida Pasture in between Avenida George Washington and Avenida Indepencia. This is not the typical Dominican car wash where the waitresses are available in fact I did not see any waitresses I only saw waiters. The venue is a hand car wash, bar and sports center. They have pool tables, tables for dominoes and in the back there are batting cages. The music is played on a juke box and I enjoyed the vibe.

There was a very good energy there as if everyone was having fun whether they were playing pool or dominoes. It put me in mind of a good date location for the right chica. As most Dominican car washes they did an excellent job! One thing I can say since I have been living here, there are 2 things Dominicans do well, cut hair and wash cars. LOL! I asked the waiter if they had any potato chips and he responded they had French fries but I neglected to see if there was a menu of other food items.

My car wash experience.

I saw a sexy chic pull in a small compact vehicle not sure the make I think it was a Hyundai. She pulled into a spot for a car wash and walked off. When she came back she sat about 6 seats from me and we made eye contact.

She was dressed down we shared a couple glances so I walked over and chatted her up. Our connection was so- so mas o menos but I had to move quick because her car was ready so I snatched the number. I reached out the next day but nada and I could see she read the message so I blew her off.

At this point my trip is not going well with 1 dingbat who forgot her cedula another mediocre sex session and another chic who only wanted a novio. Go figure. CONYO!

I get back to my hotel room and who messages me? We chat blah blah blah and she agrees to come to the hotel later that evening. She arrives looking and smelling good and we chat. She says she owns her own salon and she just bought the car and I am thinking "Really?" So there is a lull in the conversation and she gives me the gaze. So I am like OK. LOL!

What followed was absolutely incredible! I am touching her body and she sighing and twitching she is very sensuous. We get to the main event and what does this chic do?. WHAT? This chic sticks her thumb in her mouth like she is a little girl. I am stroking this chic while she has her thumb in her mouth and I am wishing I could take a picture to show yall for proof. ROTFL!

We are done and she balls up like a baby with her thumb in her mouth trembling. I am looking at this chic like WTF just happened? I have never I repeat never had anything like that happen in my entire life. We had a great after-glow and I walked her to her car and I hope I can see her again when I return to Santo Domingo. Maybe I should go to the car wash more often. LOL!

Hay algunos Dominicans honestos.

My chics car was parked in front of a food stand so since I was hungry I got something to eat. I keep money in different pockets, this day I had 200 peso notes and 100 peso notes in one pocket and 1000 peso notes in another pocket. My food came to 210 pesos so I put what I thought was a 200 peso note and a 20 peso note on the counter and said "oye caballero" and pointed at the money and walked away.

I am halfway down the street and this guy comes running yelling at me "amigo amigo ven!" I am thinking WTF has happened? Guess what I did? Guess? Apparently I mixed some of my 1000 peso notes with my other money and I left a 1000 peso note and a 20 peso note. The 1000 peso note and the 200 peso note have a different nomenclature but their colors look almost the same especially in the dark.

Frankly he could have kept the money and I would have not known the difference. I gave him the correct amount of money and he gave me back the 1000 peso note and I said "que raro un Dominicano honesto!" and he started laughing. I walked away feeling stupid but happy at the same time. It's good to know there are some honest people in this country.

[GrownMan1]

By Mr E;

Sosua Sucks.

Disclaimer: Last night was Tuesday. If anyone who has been to Sosua in the last month would care.The Sue on a Tuesday. I remember Mr. G was feeling the weekday itch. I don't think I will ever go there during the early weekday. I foresee the same thing that you experience happening to me. NBM nothing but monsters. From Monday- Wednesday. Thursday early bird especial or aka ladies night. Business as usual on the Friday. Saturday. Sunday recaps. I've never heard of the business being different.

[Mr Gogo]

The Sue on a Tuesday. I remember Mr. G was feeling the weekday itch. I don't think I will ever go there during the early weekday. I foresee the same thing that you experience happening to me. NBM nothing but monsters. From Monday- Wednesday. Thursday early bird especial or aka ladies night. Business as usual on the Friday. Saturday. Sunday recaps. I've never heard of the business being different.E came in late,1 am on a Tuesday when the pickings are slim. I like early in the week because you don't have the wolf packs of dudes there yet and it's very relaxing. During the day I pick up something at the beach or arrange a hookup with one of my bar girls before they go to work. If I haven't fucked by 11 pm then I'm probably not fucking. I have no problem hanging out and watching the scene at late hours instead of rushing into a bad fuck because it's getting late.

[SavePros321]

I like early in the week because you don't have the wolf packs of dudes there yet and it's very relaxing.The earliest I've gotten to Sosua was on a Wednesday (during high season). It was very nice. Like the calm before the storm (before the weekend baller crews rolled into town, LOL).

I had met a guy who had been there since that Tuesday, and as we were chilling in front of Classicos sipping Santo Libres he would point out the chicas that had arrived the day before fresh off the bus as they walked by. I had snagged a solid 8 (by Sosua standards) chica who had just arrived that day, got her that night and locked her down for TLN the following night because I knew a chica like her was going to be busy once the weekend rolled around.

Sure enough once Friday evening came I don't think there was any point in time that I didn't see her surrounded by a bunch of guys trying to lock her down. Don't remember her name, but I'm sure some of you probably remember seeing her. This was 2010. If she is still hanging around Sosua till this day, that would be disgusting, hahaha. I would imagine that her pussy would be so hollowed out that you could stick your arm in there and not touch the sides :-O

[Mr Gogo]

Hope you are well, but Sosua is no longer a cheap destination to go to. When I started going almost ten years ago flights to POP were 275 usd round trip. Now I can't find anything less than 650 that doesn't have a layover in Miami and I live in Florida. Also the videos portray Sosua at its best as an exotic wonderland. So I can easily see how these guys can be misled if some of the current things are true. Several dynamics could be in play here Sir.

1). Maybe the recent election with the pro tourist candidate winning is causing the smart pretty girls to lay low awaiting the fallout.

2). Maybe guys have fallen for the " I'm a student and I don't want to be in Sosua " line and set the pretty girls up with money allowances to stay away from Sosua. This could possibly move the quality down a notch in Sosua as the big girls seize their opportunity. The cops have no interest in arresting the big girls because they have no desire to fuck them. Or maybe the dudes who have a preference for big girls have cultivated a market.

3). Maybe the turnover for the premium girls is very high thus creating other options. The premium girls will holdout for their price but the big girls will be more reasonable. After drinking for a couple hours in Rumba those big girls with the fun attitude become more desirable.

4). Maybe Mr E and Radshack have devised some diabolical plan to run off all mongers and have Sosua for themselves LOL, which I doubt. These are veteran travelers so I value their observations. Another option is the tourist board is flooding Sosua with ugly fat girls to kill the sex market, which I find funny.

Someone recently reported that during the week the families come out and enjoy Sosua but disappeared when the weekend wolf packs arrive. Our Sosua is in transition and the future is unknown but I still think it's a great place if you hunt in the path less explored. The side bars, Puerto Plata, even Cabarette offer a refreshing change with a side adventure. I've expanded because of the airfare prices and have found the hidden treasures on the other side of the island. I can fly into SDQ for 350 usd round trip and I have a great hotel on the outskirts of Boca Chica with big suites for 40 usd. Not very many mongers over that side to compete with plus you have San Pedro, La Romana, Andres, and Santo Domingo all within an hour bus ride for the girls. Most girls don't mind coming for a visit and what happens after that depends on how you operate.

Hopefully guys will continue reporting about their Sosua adventures good and bad. Isn't that what this board should be about?

[SavePros321]

Hope you are well, but Sosua is no longer a cheap destination to go to. When I started going almost ten years ago flights to POP were 275 usd round trip. Now I can't find anything less than 650 that doesn't have a layover in Miami and I live in Florida.
Some of this can be attributed to the merging of the airlines. They can charge whatever they want to now since there literally are only two major airlines. There is no way in hell that a sane administration would have allowed such a monopoly to have ever been formed (remember Teddy Roosevelt's "Bust the Trusts" when he broke up Standard Oil for monopolizing the oil market?).

The airlines can't blame it on oil prices. Their as low as they've every been and have been like that for a while now. Airlines are saving billions in fuel costs, but do you think they are passing those savings on to the customers? "Hell no! Fuck you, and that'll be $50 bucks for that extra carry-on", lmao!




2). Maybe guys have fallen for the " I'm a student and I don't want to be in Sosua " line and set the pretty girls up with money allowances to stay away from Sosua. This could possibly move the quality down a notch in Sosua as the big girls seize their opportunity. The cops have no interest in arresting the big girls because they have no desire to fuck them. Or maybe the dudes who have a preference for big girls have cultivated a market.

I think technology has changed the game in both a good and bad way. For chicas, it works in their favor because they can find clients / novios / papi noel via social media (Whatsapp, FB, Instagram, DC, etc.) without ever stepping foot in Sosua. This is very much how things work in Medellin. It allows the girls to trick on the sly and not be out in the open exposed. We all know that dudes don't know how to shut the fuck up about things. Just search "Sosua" on YouTube to see the many idiots and their cell phones recording video + the guys walking around recording with hidden cameras and you will realize not too many "high quality girls" want to risk the chance of their family finding out (via a snitch) that she is tricking in Sosua on the weekends.

Notice how there was a pattern of very nice looking talent to be found in Sosua before things like smart phones with video cameras and YouTube became a huge thing. Hell, I remember bringing my Motorola Razor to Sosua back in '09. The video quality on that phone was shit. YouTube was also a shitty site back then, and it probably would have taken you 4 hrs to upload 5 minutes of video compared to today (hell, you can now do "Live Streaming" on Facebook. Used it last night during a fireworks show).

You also can attribute some of this to pocket-sized photo cameras that started to have video capability built into them (I had a Canon Digital Elph even back as far as 2008).

For mongers: Technology has been both gift and curse. Good in that a guy looking to escape the bullshit AW trap could find all the info he needed to have a good time just a hop, skip, and a jump away online with just a few mouse clicks. Bad in that the proliferation of information has been the fastest its ever been in the history of man with texting and social media. Used to be you could email someone pics of your trip AFTER you got back to the US. Now you can snap a photo of your chica's ass with your cell phone and text it to you buddy in less than 30 seconds. Once the word got out that there was "Nirvana" just across the pond (and pics to prove this), the word spread like wildfire.

You are very much right that mongering used to be an "Old Man's" game. Most young guys (including myself) were oblivious to the DR or even mongering prior to 2008 (real talk, I did not even know the DR existed until '07. A testament to our wonderful school system here in the US). But you bet your ass that once the Feminazi takes the White House there will be even more guys fleeing this cuckhold nation in search of greener pastures. Let's just hope they don't make it illegal for single males to travel to destinations with lax prostitution laws to keep us from "exploiting women".



I've expanded because of the airfare prices and have found the hidden treasures on the other side of the island. I can fly into SDQ for 350 usd round trip and I have a great hotel on the outskirts of Boca Chica with big suites for 40 usd. Not very many mongers over that side to compete with plus you have San Pedro, La Romana, Andres, and Santo Domingo all within an hour bus ride for the girls. Most girls don't mind coming for a visit and what happens after that depends on how you operate.
If you haven't learned anything yet amigo, keep this kind of information to yourself and on the back channels, or else you will see a repeat of Sosua follow you to your new haunts. Do you really want the Weekend Baller Crews saying "You know what, Gogo is right. Sosua is wack now. She definitely ain't what she used to be. Let's move the party to Boca Chica"?

In the end, Sosua is easy. Learning Spanish, traveling around the island and opening up to new experiences is hard. In the world of business, it is usually the things that have the highest barrier of entry that often have the higher payoff (surgeon, tech, corporate middle-upper management, etc).

[Frannie]

Now I can't find anything less than 650 that doesn't have a layover in Miami and I live in Florida. Fort Lauderdale (or even with the Orlando connection) to Santiago taking the taxi to and from Sosua at both ends will often come in under $650 without the need to layover in Miami. But I agree the fares to POP are now ridiculous.

[Mr Gogo]

Fort Lauderdale (or even with the Orlando connection) to Santiago taking the taxi to and from Sosua at both ends will often come in under $650 without the need to layover in Miami. But I agree the fares to POP are now ridiculous.Maybe that was true about a year ago but not now. I used to catch the JetBlue flight from Orlando to Santiago via San Juan and it was great. About 424 usd round trip and it got in about 1 pm so I would just catch Carib tours to Sosua. It was 600 pesos from STI to Carib tours in a taxi and 290 pesos for the bus. Now the flights are in the 600 range if you want the fastest flight and 450 for the longest flight which is 18 hours. The America flight out of Mia gets in at 8:26 pm so catching the bus is out of the question. Add on 100 each way for taxi and you might as well save the aggravation and just fly into POP.

[Mr Gogo]

The directive was given to CESTUR yesterday to inform the businesses on Pedro Clisante that effective immediately, as of 08-July-2016, all business serving alcohol must close at 12:00 am on Sunday through Thursday and at 2:00 am on Friday and Saturday. And as posted above these are the current national regulations, however here in Sosúa they have been given a "free ride" for a long time.

Also as I posted above depending on how certain businesses are designated will dictate whether they will be able to stay open beyond the hours indicated.

As of last night, certain businesses were informed that as restaurants, for example Bourbon Street Grill, they will be allowed to remain open past the designated closing times, but must not serve alcohol, others designated as bars or discos such as Rumba, Classico, etc. Were informed they must conform to the new closing times.

This is how CESTUR communicated last night's operation to the local business owners. Most were not informed before the arrival of CESTUR in the evening. And the process of informing each establishment was anything but formal or organized, whoever was present at the time CESTER arrived at their establishment was informed of the changes, in some cases only regular employees were present and not managers or owners. It's obvious many details remain to be "worked out" but the general directive was communicated.

Apparently el procurador de la República, Francisco Dominguez Brito is in town and will be visiting himself and making some sort of statement (another one), soon. Let's see.

[RacShack]

The directive was given to CESTUR yesterday to inform the businesses on Pedro Clisante that effective immediately, as of 08-July-2016, all business serving alcohol must close at 12:00 am on Sunday through Thursday and at 2:00 am on Friday and Saturday. And as posted above these are the current national regulations, however here in Sosa they have been given a "free ride" for a long time.

Also as I posted above depending on how certain businesses are designated will dictate whether they will be able to stay open beyond the hours indicated.

As of last night, certain businesses were informed that as restaurants, for example Bourbon Street Grill, they will be allowed to remain open past the designated closing times, but must not serve alcohol, others designated as bars or discos such as Rumba, Classico, etc. Were informed they must conform to the new closing times.

This is how CESTUR communicated last night's operation to the local business owners. Most were not informed before the arrival of CESTUR in the evening. And the process of informing each establishment was anything but formal or organized, whoever was present at the time CESTER arrived at their establishment was informed of the changes, in some cases only regular employees were present and not managers or owners. It's obvious many details remain to be "worked out" but the general directive was communicated.

Apparently el procurador de la Repblica, Francisco Dominguez Brito is in town and will be visiting himself and making some sort of statement (another one), soon. Let's see.Mr Gogo,

Cops just cam through Cabarete and took many girls! It was so hot (girls) here the last couple of days, was over 200 tonight all hang out at kahunas, police can and grabbed a lot of chicks, this shit is getting out of control it might are early be the end!

[Mr Gogo]

Mr Gogo,

Cops just cam through Cabarete and took many girls! It was so hot (girls) here the last couple of days, was over 200 tonight all hang out at kahunas, police can and grabbed a lot of chicks, this shit is getting out of control it might are early be the end!Girls were using Cabarette because Sosua was hot with the cops and closures.

[Mr Gogo]

The timing of this Sosua crackdown makes perfect sense with new big time players coming into play in October. It allows them a grace period where they can evaluate the effects of a change and allows them to reset anew if the numbers don't fit the plan.

Right now Sosua is king on this side of the globe. Costa Rica and Medellin were nice but they are notches below Sosua to me. But come October two big time players are on the scene. I'm talking about Cuba and Brazil.

Brazil:

Those of you who remember Brazil before the crackdown as they prepared for the Olympics and a world wide audience, should remember that Brazil was kicking Sosua in the ass. Guys preferred to fly five hours past Sosua to get to those sex stallions. Guys went to Sosua because Brazil was too much for them some say. Brazil's infrastructure fiasco and the Zika virus has damaged its world standing so much that even the Olympics can't resurrect their status. We haven't even seen the blunders that still await the unfolding of the games. After the Olympics expect Brazil to be begging foreigners to come and bring money to fuck the girls. Brazil will rise again. Quiet as kept, but guys are already jockeying for position to get a jump on this explosion.

Cuba:

I've already purchased two tickets to Cuba for October and December because they were only 299 usd round trip. Cuba flights start in September but they are already sold out. The flight that can be booked now on the Internet are for Hougin and Cienfuegos and not Havana. Havana is coming on board for direct non stop flights from NY, ATL, Tampa and Houston in September. At 299 rt and less than a hour flight from Florida, people will go for a look see before they pay double that for Sosua. Sure it's a military state and you have to be deceptive with the girls but the clubs, music and ancient history are appealing. Castro will have a crackdown to let the monger know they are not welcome, but the girls will be available but they won't advertise on the street. Anyone with Davy will still have a ball.

All this gives Sosua a 90 day window to please the local residents and the tourist board by attempting a cleanup and image reset. If the locals and tourist stand up and support a new beach town for families and remove the stain that Sosua has developed, maybe then guys will run to Boca Chica, Cuba or Brazil. But, if businesses fail, property values drop and jobs don't materialize for locals, be prepared for the "New Sosua" as they rev up to compete with the new big boys on the block in the fall.

[SavePros321]

The timing of this Sosua crackdown makes perfect sense with new big time players coming into play in October. It allows them a grace period where they can evaluate the effects of a change and allows them to reset anew if the numbers don't fit the plan.

Right now Sosua is king on this side of the globe. Costa Rica and Medellin were nice but they are notches below Sosua to me. But come October two big time players are on the scene. I'm talking about Cuba and Brazil.

We talked about this on the back channel, but over the last few hours I had the chance to think about a few things I did not take into consideration:



Brazil:

Those of you who remember Brazil before the crackdown as they prepared for the Olympics and a world wide audience, should remember that Brazil was kicking Sosua in the ass. Guys preferred to fly five hours past Sosua to get to those sex stallions. Guys went to Sosua because Brazil was too much for them some say. Brazil's infrastructure fiasco and the Zika virus has damaged its world standing so much that even the Olympics can't resurrect their status. We haven't even seen the blunders that still await the unfolding of the games. After the Olympics expect Brazil to be begging foreigners to come and bring money to fuck the girls. Brazil will rise again. Quiet as kept, but guys are already jockeying for position to get a jump on this explosion.
We have to keep in mind the average Sosua traveler. Those weekend baller/wolf pack types/guys that have no interest venture out are not leaving Sosua unless they are physically pushed out. They barely know a lick of Spanish, let alone are going to take the time to learn Portuguese. What significantly helped these types out back in the day in Rio was Help Disco (their version of Classicos in Sosua). All they had to do is show up and not know one word of Porto. It's not there any more and there is nothing like it that has sprung up and replaced it. I don't see these guys trying to navigate Rio to get to the Termas and many Prives there. And they can forget about trying to game garotas on places like Brazilian Cupid. Hoe Beach is also dead from everything I've read.

I would say that if they cannot navigate Rio, then they can forget about anywhere else in Brazil.




Cuba:

I've already purchased two tickets to Cuba for October and December because they were only 299 usd round trip. Cuba flights start in September but they are already sold out. The flight that can be booked now on the Internet are for Hougin and Cienfuegos and not Havana. Havana is coming on board for direct non stop flights from NY, ATL, Tampa and Houston in September. At 299 rt and less than a hour flight from Florida, people will go for a look see before they pay double that for Sosua. Sure it's a military state and you have to be deceptive with the girls but the clubs, music and ancient history are appealing. Castro will have a crackdown to let the monger know they are not welcome, but the girls will be available but they won't advertise on the street. Anyone with Davy will still have a ball.
Correct me if I am wrong, but prostitution is illegal in Cuba. It sounds like it is very hidden (I think I remember reading that women can be arrested if found walking with foreigners in certain parts). It's not going to work for these types of guys. And again the lack of Spanish speaking skills makes it a non-starter. They are not going to want to work that hard when all they have to do is post up at a bar and wait for the "action" (chicas) to come to them.

Brazil and Cuba will be an goldmine for guys like you and me. But the current crop of Weekend Ballers who don't know anything other than Sosua aren't going anywhere. Like I mentioned to Revere, the only way I see these guys leaving for good is if places like New Garden and Terra Linda do away with their "Guest Friendly" policy. If they stop allowing guys to bring chicas to their room, then they will stop going.

[RacShack]

The timing of this Sosua crackdown makes perfect sense with new big time players coming into play in October. It allows them a grace period where they can evaluate the effects of a change and allows them to reset anew if the numbers don't fit the plan.

Right now Sosua is king on this side of the globe. Costa Rica and Medellin were nice but they are notches below Sosua to me. But come October two big time players are on the scene. I'm talking about Cuba and Brazil.

Brazil:

Those of you who remember Brazil before the crackdown as they prepared for the Olympics and a world wide audience, should remember that Brazil was kicking Sosua in the ass. Guys preferred to fly five hours past Sosua to get to those sex stallions. Guys went to Sosua because Brazil was too much for them some say. Brazil's infrastructure fiasco and the Zika virus has damaged its world standing so much that even the Olympics can't resurrect their status...Nice, those flights out of ft Lauderdale or Mia? Or neither? Please full me in, pm me if you want, thanks, and is that flying into Havana?

[Mr Gogo]

You make great points as usual, thanks for your reply. Guys have developed a comfort zone with Sosua that will have to be broken, I totally agree. Hotels changing their guest policies, arresting girls on the street, maybe even the police conducting ID checks in bars could make guys think twice about returning. We now hear from Revere and Oakie about big time developments popping up quietly in Sosua. How dare they not tell us mongers what they are building LOL.

Frannie said something about the malecon in Puerto plata having sex shacks in the past that were demolished. That made me think: Wasnt Puerto plata supposed to be having this big buildup for the cruise port in Miamon to benefit from the new influx of tourists? What has happened since is a few tours and construction on the malecon of a few road improvements. But not much more. I've heard years ago Dominicans purchased most of the buildings on the malecon (With ocean view) in anticipation of big projects to come. All the buildings are now run down eye sores with high vacancy. Maybe it would be correct to say Dominicans don't mesh well with big time foreign developers LOL.

True, Cuba would be a disaster for guys thinking it would be anything like Sosua. But Cuba had great music, new night clubs and restaurants and the hottest girls in the Caribbean, with their unique style and confidence. Cuba will be for a select few. I read a report yesterday that visitors are up 84 percent over last year at this time.

Brazil has so many problems that I see no other way but use their best commodity: Hot girls with a reputation for being the best fuckers in the world. Help, the termas and other options will emerge. The weekend Sosua wolf packs have heard the stories about Brazil in its heyday and will be craving a bucket list trip. Once Río creates a buzz it will be on everyone's wish list.

But we can agree that the Sosua weekend boys are locked in for now. Let's see what happens over the next three months. Hang on guys it's going to be a great ride.

[Mr Gogo]

Nice, those flights out of ft Lauderdale or Mia? Or neither? Please full me in, pm me if you want, thanks, and is that flying into Havana?Both. Flights from Mia / FLL are in effect now. The direct flights from other cities will start in the fall. South Florida can now fly direct to Havana / Santiago / Cienfuegos / and Hougin through the charters until September, after September 1 the commercial airlines take over to the outside cities. Havana is coming later.

[Chotu]

We talked about this on the back channel, but over the last few hours I had the chance to think about a few things I did not take into consideration:

We have to keep in mind the average Sosua traveler. Those weekend baller/wolf pack types/guys that have no interest venture out are not leaving Sosua unless they are physically pushed out. They barely know a lick of Spanish, let alone are going to take the time to learn Portuguese. What significantly helped these types out back in the day in Rio was Help Disco (their version of Classicos in Sosua). All they had to do is show up and not know one word of Porto. It's not there any more and there is nothing like it that has sprung up and replaced it. I don't see these guys trying to navigate Rio to get to the Termas and many Prives there. And they can forget about trying to game garotas on places like Brazilian Cupid. Hoe Beach is also dead from everything I've read.

This crackdown is not going to provide jobs to all the girls. May be Sosua will change but action will move to new area of the country. There is so much action in the world. I was just in Cali, Colombia and the action was very easy there. You don't really need any game, it just required common sense. From Cuba, Colombia, Tanzania, Kenya and Uganda to mention few that I have been too. There is so much action in the world. Plus all the Asian countries. There is nothing to worry, life is about dealing with change and adopt to new realities.

[Revere]

I think better to do here as I have no patience for trying to give perfect information on what's happening in sosua and people who have no clue argue with me. Again, you can go somewhere 20 times and not be on the inside and think you know everything which just proves the Sosua officials point they are trying to eliminate that element who they do not care or respect and think they know it all. That's the truth.

Okay here is the more information. They created a 120 page financial model which I saw and I was impressed with that ran different scenarios using all hotels, resturants, businesses and bars as input for tax revenue. There conclusion they can eliminate prostitution and close certain bars and not have a huge impact on there tax revenue base. Again, a lot of people talk, but their financial model is complex and they are not dummys despite what people think who could never build a model that complex. It is not just talk they doing it based on financial analysis. They are a lot smarter than people think.

[Mr Enternational]

This crackdown is not going to provide jobs to all the girls. May be Sosua will change but action will move to new area of the country. What? You seriously think another area of the country is going to welcome prostitution with open arms? Care to join us in the real world?

[Mr Gogo]

I think better to do here as I have no patience for trying to give perfect information on what's happening in sosua and people who have no clue argue with me. Again, you can go somewhere 20 times and not be on the inside and think you know everything which just proves the Sosua officials point they are trying to eliminate that element who they do not care or respect and think they know it all. That's the truth.

Okay here is the more information. They created a 120 page financial model which I saw and I was impressed with that ran different scenarios using all hotels, resturants, businesses and bars as input for tax revenue. There conclusion they can eliminate prostitution and close certain bars and not have a huge impact on there tax revenue base. Again, a lot of people talk, but their financial model is complex and they are not dummys despite what people think who could never build a model that complex. It is not just talk they doing it based on financial analysis. They are a lot smarter than people think.Post here all you want bro, I find all your reports very interesting. What's funny is Cabarette said " Don't bring that shit here". They are yanking the girls walking without escorts that are working. Even when I was in Cabarette in May the tourists would point and stare at the working girls plying their trade.

Actually the Sosua stuff happening now hasn't even caused me to blink or worry about it. I've got many spots already cultivated in the DR as well as the Caribbean. Sosua to me is a nice beach to drink and relax along with safe bars to drink at night. The guys the most worried about Sosua are the ones who haven't been anywhere else. The next few months are going to be interested to say the least (Check my report below).

[Member #4480]

What? You seriously think another area of the country is going to welcome prostitution with open arms? Care to join us in the real world?Don't even waste your time with him. I first ran across this trick overpaying in Kampala, Uganda of all places.

[SavePros321]

I think better to do here as I have no patience for trying to give perfect information on what's happening in sosua and people who have no clue argue with me. Again, you can go somewhere 20 times and not be on the inside and think you know everything which just proves the Sosua officials point they are trying to eliminate that element who they do not care or respect and think they know it all. That's the truth.
I think statement is an an oxymoron. Prostitution is not illegal in the DR. You can't tell me Sosua Officials are not over there paying for pussy. This is all about money; nothing to do with "care or respect".


There conclusion they can eliminate prostitution and close certain bars and not have a huge impact on there tax revenue base.Again, they would have to make prostitution illegal in the DR in order to eliminate it. All they are trying to do here is make it harder for chicas to trick by closing places where they hang out (bars). Prostitution is not going away though. If it didn't disappear in Boca Chica (another beach town), it's not happening here. Did they make it harder for chicas to ply their trade there? Yes. If anything they are just going to create a black market in where the touts take over and become the middle man, much like how you have so many touts hanging around in Boca Chica.

Write this down as well: If families start visiting Sosua en masse with any frequency, you will not see cops hauling off chicas left and right for just strolling around. All the Feminist and Social Justice Warriors witnessing this while on vacation would be appalled seeing Police hauling off 20+ chicas by the truck load and will call for the women's "basic human rights" and all that jazz. It will be a PR nightmare for them. Especially with Live Streaming on Facebook and things like SnapChat (use the US police shootings as a recent example of how you can get people fired up rather quickly via social media these days). What happens if they accidentally haul off a Haitian-American or Dominican-Amercian female who is visiting there as a tourist in the process, lol?

In Essence, they would basically have to turn the entire town of Sosua into one big all inclusive resort and restrict access to anyone not paying to stay there. Let's say they turn Classicos into one big trendy disco for tourist. If you and your crew are staying at New Garden and wanted to take your lady friends there dancing, are they going to turn you guys away just for appearing to be with working girls? What if they are chicas you met from FB? Are they going to turn you and your crew away just for looking and dressing certain way (like the stereotypical "Weekend Baller")?

They could if they made the entire Pedro Clisante an all-inclusive resort and you weren't wearing a wrist-band identifying you as a guest at the resort. But what are the odds of that happening? And what about the local expats who live in Sosua full time and want to visit this new disco with their wife or (if a single male expat like Sir Pooter) their local lady friend?

Somebody screenshot this post and let's revisit on this day in 2017.

[Mr Gogo]

What? You seriously think another area of the country is going to welcome prostitution with open arms? Care to join us in the real world?I agree no one will welcome it with open arms but I could see guys relocating to Boca Chica because of lower airfares and less harassment than Sosua. Boca Chica will welcome the new tourists and the girls will follow. The only problem is we now have the Internet and places get exposed very rapidly to the authorities as well as the clients.

Sosua grew slowly and quietly from 2002-2010 before the Internet put it on the radar. Back in the pre-Internet days travelers had to rely on tour operators for suggestions and they would only stress the positive to sell tickets. The resorts in Puerto Plata were booming as people knew nothing about this little beach town (Sosua) where older euro guys walked hand in hand with beautiful young girls. Then the Internet defined Sosua as a party place for single guys with a nice beach.

Boca Chica has always been a seedy, underhanded place so just maybe it might work there. For those that remember; Boca Chica was Sosua back when Puerto Plata was a one dirty road town.

[Mr Enternational]

Again, they would have to make prostitution illegal in the DR in order to eliminate it. All they are trying to do here is make it harder for chicas to trick by closing places where they hang out (bars). Prostitution is not going away though. If it didn't disappear in Boca Chica (another beach town), it's not happening here. Did they make it harder for chicas to ply their trade there? Yes.You bring up a good point that I had not thought of before. My first 2 trips to DR was to Boca Chica before the "crackdown". I had a great time and there were some nice quality girls. These days the quality there is way few and far between.

Now when I am in Boca Chica it is just to wait for my flight out of Santo Domingo the next day, or to stop through to eat some fish. I want to say that I have fucked only 3 chicks in Boca Chica since my first two times 10 years ago, whereas before, I could not rotate them in and out of the room quick enough. After the crackdown, the ones I hit: I ended up taking one chick to the short time place on the strip ONLY because she was sucking my dick for free on the sidewalk, so that made me want to hit it. I took another chick back to the room and it wasn't memorable at all. And the last chick I fucked there I met on the beach in the day time and took her to a cabana close to the capital. She is from San Pedro and has visited me in the capital another time since then. But she tried to cause a scene because she wanted more money. I gave her more money and told her I would never talk to her again. She sends me messages every now and then but I have not replied.

Sosua used to be the bomb. I could always find at least a few quality chicks there no matter what day it was. But this last time in Sosua is definitely reminding me of how Boca Chica went to the dogs. So no, they did not totally wipe out hookers in BC, but 49 out of the 50 that are there now I would not touch with a 10 foot pole. And that was the same that I felt in Sosua the other week.

[Chotu]

Don't even waste your time with him. I first ran across this trick overpaying in Kampala, Uganda of all places.I can't believe you remember that from six years ago, in this post I am just saying people will find new places. Otherwise they will stay home.

[Chotu]

What? You seriously think another area of the country is going to welcome prostitution with open arms? Care to join us in the real world?Again I am just saying people will find some other place. I use to go to boca chica regularly in early 2000, then they had a some kind of crack down there. So I move to Sousa and Columbia.

[Mr Enternational]

Again I am just saying people will find some other place. I use to go to boca chica regularly in early 2000, then they had a some kind of crack down there. So I move to Sousa and Columbia.There are no new places. There are existing places that may be new to you when you first go, but there are no towns anywhere opening up to prostitution. And many mongers are complaining that all the existing places are going to shit.

[Yanqui69]

I agree no one will welcome it with open arms but I could see guys relocating to Boca Chica because of lower airfares and less harassment than Sosua. Boca Chica will welcome the new tourists and the girls will follow. The only problem is we now have the Internet and places get exposed very rapidly to the authorities as well as the clients.

Sosua grew slowly and quietly from 2002-2010 before the Internet put it on the radar. Back in the pre-Internet days travelers had to rely on tour operators for suggestions and they would only stress the positive to sell tickets. The resorts in Puerto Plata were booming as people knew nothing about this little beach town (Sosua) where older euro guys walked hand in hand with beautiful young girls. Then the Internet defined Sosua as a party place for single guys with a nice beach.

Boca Chica has always been a seedy, underhanded place so just maybe it might work there. For those that remember; Boca Chica was Sosua back when Puerto Plata was a one dirty road town.Admittedly, this is entirely speculation on one possible scenario.

The sex trade we are discussing here is the one servicing tourists, not the locals, so, possible alternatives would be the tourist centers. (ie, Boca Chica, Punta Cana, Bavaro, Samana, etc).

(Don't nit pick, those are just examples).

To placate both sides (those seeking sex, and those wishing to have a cleaner image for tourists) the best alternative would be to make the trade less blatant, and move it off the streets, into brothels, clubs, complexes, etc).

A variety of places like Black Beard's, and better run than Field of Dreams or Cristal's, could provide a broad selection (pun intended) with some competition for client's business.

One could even look to the complexes that exist in places like Curacao (Campo Alegre) as examples of business models. One wonders if the "normal" tourists on Curacao are even aware of the place.

BUT, such businesses would need to be run by non-Dominicans with business sense, and would need to be sufficiently inconspicuous (and connected) to make it work.

Wonder if Donald Trump could run a brothel without bankrupting it.

[Mr Enternational]

To placate both sides (those seeking sex, and those wishing to have a cleaner image for tourists) the best alternative would be to make the trade less blatant, and move it off the streets, into brothels, clubs, complexes, etc).

A variety of places like Black Beard's, and better run than Field of Dreams or Cristal's, could provide a broad selection (pun intended) with some competition for client's business.

One could even look to the complexes that exist in places like Curacao (Campo Alegre) as examples of business models. One wonders if the "normal" tourists on Curacao are even aware of the place.

BUT, such businesses would need to be run by non-Dominicans with business sense, and would need to be sufficiently inconspicuous (and connected) to make it work.My problem is that you guys keep talking and offering alternatives like they want prostitution around. Just because it is somewhat tolerated in its present form does not mean they want it. And didn't a couple of foreigners already get the shaft for running hooker dens in Sosua and Santo Domingo?

[Frannie]

My problem is that you guys keep talking and offering alternatives like they want prostitution around. Just because it is somewhat tolerated in its present form does not mean they want it. And didn't a couple of foreigners already get the shaft for running hooker dens in Sosua and Santo Domingo?You are right. It is Cuba Dave all over again. Places do not want to be promoted as sex tourism destinations.

[Revere]

My problem is that you guys keep talking and offering alternatives like they want prostitution around. Just because it is somewhat tolerated in its present form does not mean they want it. And didn't a couple of foreigners already get the shaft for running hooker dens in Sosua and Santo Domingo?E your right I am saying where it might work but your right do they really want that all over again and have to deal with that all over again. Maybe worse because of it being more low class there. Your right could be nightmare.

[SubCmdr]

Just because it is somewhat tolerated in its present form does not mean they want it. And didn't a couple of foreigners already get the shaft for running hooker dens in Sosua and Santo Domingo?Has anyone considered that getting rid of prostitution simply is not possible under the current law? Prostitution is still legal in the Dominican Republic. The enforcement actions are focused on what's happening on the street and on the known places where participants gather to conduct this type of business. Anyone who interested in the real alternatives simply has to observe how this type of business is being conducted in other parts of the island where enforcement activity is not taking place.

Take the ugly girl off the street, give her a shower, do her hair, paint her nails and put some make up on her. Add a nice dress, heels and accessorize properly. Now she's ready to go out anywhere you might want to take her. You know and I know she's not going to be any prettier in the bedroom. But she's a lot more presentable in the street.

[Frannie]

Has anyone considered that getting rid of prostitution simply is not possible under the current law? Prostitution is still legal in the Dominican Republic. The enforcement actions are focused on what's happening on the street and on the known places where participants gather to conduct this type of business. Anyone who interested in the real alternatives simply has to observe how this type of business is being conducted in other parts of the island where enforcement activity is not taking place.

Take the ugly girl off the street, give her a shower, do her hair, paint her nails and put some make up on her. Add a nice dress, heels and accessorize properly. Now she's ready to go out anywhere you might want to take her. You know and I know she's not going to be any prettier in the bedroom. But she's a lot more presentable in the street.They could want to continue legal prostitution for Dominicans, but throw a wrench in the concept of the Dominican Republic being perceived as a sex tourism destination. Yes, I agree with everyone who says that there are plenty of other ways to meet women in the DR, other than going to Sosua bars and discos.

[GrownMan1]

You left early for Boca Chica. You paid extra to get out earlier than anticipated. This is your forum please tell us how Boca Chica is doing. Where you staying. What the atmosphere is. Are you playing house again.

[Mr Gogo]

I'm such a sap.

As I lay here with my 6"3 Amazon Serena Williams look-like sleep on my should I can't help but reflex and smile.

I think the hardest thing about the DR is if you should go raw or not.

I was sitting on the strip in Boca Chica last night at village by the beach sipping my Cuba libre reflecting on how happy I was to just be the in the DR.

The strip was slow when I see an old friend John walk by. We chopped it up and John said" Let's go". I asked where because I don't like to be led around but John doesn't like to be pressed so I let it go.

We drive for 45 minutes and wind up at a club on the other side of SD. John asked me not to post the name. We walk in and it's slow but the club has an outside terrace that I didn't see till I went to the rest room. It was single chicas sitting at tables chilling so I strutted by hoping one girl would say something to give me an in. They all looked but the last table had three girls there and they smiled do I went for it.

I introduced myself and brought two big presidente beers. As I'm sizing them up they are sizzling me up. One girl at the table asked questions, another girl just stared? But the third girl was laid back and shy. I gravitated to the shy girl and leaned in occasionally to whisper something privately to boost her confidence. We were vibing. She had cornrows and was 6"3 and gorgeous.

We left and hit the hotel and showered and she turned into a sex maniac. I'm just happy to be in the DR and haven't gotten into pussy killer mode yet, so she got the best of me. Gogo is 0-1 so far. I awake with a boner and say now it's payback so I grabbed her and spit on my dick and went in. After two stokes my consciousness got to me and I pulled out and retrieved a condom. Passionate and giving but also tasted sweet I'm hooked. I will finish this report later.

Backtrack, I got my la Vega girl who is my new primary and I haven't thought about her once yet. La Vega is hitting me on what's up wanting to catch the bus to SD but I got unfinished biz with my Amazon, damn. I give my Amazon 2 k pesos and 300 pesos for a cab because I got to get my plan together. I hate leaving a girl under fucked but that's what happened.

Now I got to pivot from Serena Williams to la Vega but my Amazon will be on my mind because it's some good fucking there left to do. I still don't know what happened to John as the last time we saw each other was when I excused myself to go to the rest room.

[SavePros321]

As I lay here with my 6"3 Amazon Serena Williams look-like sleep on my should I can't help but reflex and smile.

Good report Gogo. That's what I love about this game. Outside of the US you can find (and have) any version of your favorite female celeb (Serena, Beyonce, Halle Berry, etc) without having to break the bank to get with them.

[Mr Gogo]

Even the dogs in Boca are hustlers. I drink and I shoo the girls away but I find the dogs interesting. It's a big two toned brown dog that runs Boca Chica. You see him on the beach during the day running the other dogs off. You see him at night barking at cops and you know he talking shit like " You cops say not shit I eat better than you do ". You see them get live from the other street hustlers Right now one just slid up on my foot and when I raised it he just wanted me to put my foot on his back to hit that spot. Thank goodness he can't talk because he probably would have hit me up for money in the process.

Its amazing how things happening when your karma is correctly. I'm m talking to this model type thinking about pulling the trigger when this fine Venezuelan Chica walks by and I got to have her. I creep up get and a Dominican dude swarms. As I'm walking back to the other girl my Amazon girl walks up the street. She would have busted me but I had moved. Damn the timing. I'm still in the game. My Amazon is now in batey and I have the model girl here. I love this shit.

Two girls and two guys come into the club. I can't tell if they are white or Hispanic.

I go to the bathroom at this club and it's a waiting line of three girls. What a better way for Gogo to shine. I jump up and down like I have to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) and the girls laugh. One girl has on all blue with blue high hells and I comment on that. That keys them in and they ask where I'm from? I comment and ask the same. We laugh. It's a spot where they have an open pisser. So I step to it all and front of them and dig deep like I got a two foot deep and let out a grasp which made them laugh. I finally she my [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) and the girls pull out there phone and ask my number. I give it to them and go back to my model. Five minutes later they exit the club with there novios. Got to love this shit.

Memo to mongers when a song comes to and that girls go crazy about remember that song. The girls seem to shake their booty special when they feel it and you need to act like you feel it also.

In Batey ahora con mi Amazon Chica con dos amiga. Bathroom chicas aqui and we all just having a good time. It's interesting because my Amazon Chica is doing little kisses with me to impress her friends but I'm with the game. It's 400 pesos for two big pesos for the group but um with that. I dance with the friend and kiss my girl. Good times in Batey.

[Mr Gogo]

Take it slow Gogo.

Quick looks on Boca Chica; The white euro girls got no shame as they stroll with their Dominican studs.

Fine ass Haitian girl gave me a kiss with her black lipstick so now I'm walking around looking like a Zulu warrior with a black smear on the side of my face before I went to the bathroom and saw it.

Stopped at Carlos spit on the beach and had my fried fish with fries for 400 pesos them a small boat came up and everyone crowded around it to pick their fresh fish. Carlos got a fresh piece for 200 pesos and the girls in the walkway fried it up.

Damn these Venezuelan girls are fine.

I'm nursing a sore firearm I damaged kick boxing so I'm taking it easy here but pussy is everywhere.

Agua y sol is a great deal. Piano bar is still the warm up for El Batey. Bar Latino is the coolest spot in Boca with its red sofas, MMA on the television and smooth music of David Bowie, prince, Michael Jackson and the Depeche mode. Cute girls there also.

Fuck what anyone says, that Chinese spot in the middle of the strip has a great special of rice, two chicken legs and a bottle of water for 180 pesos. The only problem is the tours and the dogs come begging.

It feels good to not turn on the TV and see all the bullshit the American media force feeds up. I was so frustrated in America that my forearm was getting worse so I said " fuck it" and paid 290 usd to change my ticket and I'm getting better by the minute. Coming from a place where we have everything and are never happy to a place where they have nothing but find happiness in unity is refreshing.

Satire;

The new sign when entering Boca Chica is "no more than three brothers together allowed here, no making it rain in Boca Chica, and no all white party parties dressed in tuxedos LOL."

Real talk, get your asses out of Sosua and make your own adventures and stop blaming other people because you put all your eggs in one basket.

Dominican politics; I'm sitting at a certain bar owned by a foreigner and this official dude sits down but orders nothing. He has his shirt bottomed to the top glasses and a badge hanging from his neck. He looks focused. A conversation with the owner starts but I'm not paying attention. Five white dudes walk up with three Dominicanas and two Haitians and the official dude stands up. Now I'm paying attention. The official dude stops the girls and an argument starts. The white dudes pull the official dude aside for a conversation as the bar owner looks pissed. They talk then low five with money exchanged but the official dude is about being official. He controls the situation as the other parties stand down. Eventually everyone enters the bar but the official dude stays seated outside whispering. They realize I'm pay on attention. That's why I say never open a business in the DR.

Now it's 11:40 pm not doing Batey but at piano bar. As soon as I sit down they on me like flies on shit. Not fucking tonight but I'm drinking these Cubalibre and I'm on vacation do we never know.

[Mr Gogo]

Please excuse my typo errors in the "Here we go" post below. I didn't proof read it and I was typing fast on my phone because the Internet signal was fading in and out.

[GrownMan1]

Go ahead mr. G eat at the Chinese spot at your own risk. Anytime someone can sell you cheaper chicken than a Dominican it raises a flag. All of that and a bottle of water I-PASS. The chicken does look good but I pass. There is no health inspector to regulate those Chinese. I once to asked them how the hell can they sell chicken cheaper than the Dominicans they purchased the chicken from. Ancient Chinese secret my ass.

[Mr Gogo]

Go ahead mr. G eat at the Chinese spot at your own risk. Anytime someone can sell you cheaper chicken than a Dominican it raises a flag. All of that and a bottle of water I-PASS. The chicken does look good but I pass. There is no health inspector to regulate those Chinese. I once to asked them how the hell can they sell chicken cheaper than the Dominicans they purchased the chicken from. Ancient Chinese secret my ass.Damn! A black man that doesn't know real fried chicken without help from the food inspector. No wonder the world is going crazy.

[Revere]

Gogo I am very sorry for not responding. Great trip reports you know my respect for you I am glad we talked! Always big respect for you. Great trip reports!!

[Mr Enternational]

Damn! A black man that doesn't know real fried chicken without help from the food inspector. No wonder the world is going crazy.Okay fried chicken. You forget those are GrownMan's peeps down in BC. If anybody knows the deal then he will. The wind don't blow there without word getting back to him.

[Mr Gogo]

Gogo I am very sorry for not responding. Great trip reports you know my respect for you I am glad we talked! Always big respect for you. Great trip reports!!After you told me what happens I fully understand.

[Mr Gogo]

Take a chance.

I hit Batey and stroll the strip shooing off the tramps. I decide to walk a side street for home and see a girl by the park arguing with the police. Something about a rambunctious chic that turns me on so I linger. She sees me and stops arguing as I walk to the side to get the chance for info. She says it's nothing and says she wants to go with me for 500 pesos. I know this is probably just a hustle to get to my crib and start some shit so I walk away with her saying "que pasa poppi, yo quiero, hablame ". I leave her and head up the hill as its now 2 am.

I walk up on a Colmado and it's a guy behind the grill and three girls. I walk over to look at the food but I have a side agenda. I know the girls are checking out the gringo in a white tee, Roche Nikes and jeans with a tennis / fishing hat on. It's a cheese burger and fries for 200 pesos. I'm still deciding and one of the cute girls says sit down. Now it's on. I sit down but this is a 200 pesos investment as I'm not hungry. One girl is fat and her brother is on the grill while the other two are sisters. The slim one is dressed in black with perfect maroon nails drawing my attention plus she speaks English and is from Puerto plata but visiting relatives here. The sister is a little chunky but gorgeous. I eat half my hamburger and offer to buy them a big presidente. You will be surprised what a 150 pesos beer can do to chicas. Me and the slim girl with the pretty nails are vibing as I size up the situation. Is the guy behind the grill in play with these chicas? It becomes a wait game.

We drink the big beer as the guy behind the grill tells stories. I want to force my hand but I got nothing to do so I hang out. Everything is good and it's a party on the side street. If you haven't been part of a party on a side street at a Colmado in the DR then you haven't experienced the real thing. This is what they do.

I tell the girl I have a nice crib and she can watch TV and sleep and and air conditioning but she refused. She is a good girl.

I can't leave because I got to finish this or cock block. The grill guy eventually starts putting up the white plastic chairs as I cheer inside.

It's closing and it's happening but the good girl says she is going to her mothers with her sister. We exchange what's up numbers and I kiss the girls and head off.

As I'm walking the ten minutes to my crib three skanks proposition me but fuck that I'm not Tomjackin LOL.

Get to my crib at 3:30 am and what's up slim Chica whose name is Carmen. She hits me back. I beg her to come sleep with me but she declines. We plan a date got Tuesday.

My arm has stopped hurting and I've been walking a lot and eating good. Life is good.

[Parkinsons]

Damn! A black man that doesn't know real fried chicken without help from the food inspector. No wonder the world is going crazy.Health inspection is overrated. When I'm not holed up with uneducated hookers in a two-block radius in Sosua, I like to eat street foods all over the island. With the exception of a Dominican prison, I've indulged in a few places: Empanadas off back of a pickup truck in SD, chicharron on the highway in Bonao, etc. I don't think street vendors are subject to health or sanitation inspection. Of course, one should only eat stuff that's deep fried or constantly boiled like soups or stews. I wouldn't recommend ordering a Caesar salad off the street.

BTW, we always say the system is rigged in the DR against foreign business owners. If those rascally Chinese can skirt the law, they should really try to buy into DD'Latinos and Rumbas.

Good reports, Gogo.

[Mr Enternational]

BTW, we always say the system is rigged in the DR against foreign business owners. If those rascally Chinese can skirt the law, they should really try to buy into DD'Latinos and Rumbas.Nothing is rigged and they are not skirting any laws. Some groups of people do the same everywhere they go. The Chinese will come to a new country with just the clothes on their back. They will establish connections and start selling something and make minimal profits until they finally have enough to open their own shop. They will also live in that same shop. They will grow their business and be able to open more shops. It is a slow process with endless back breaking work.

When another race sees their shops in their neighborhoods, they assume they had some kind of advantage, which is not true. Them mfs worked hard for that shit. They don't just decide to open a business then go pick out a Mercedes so they can front. They keep to the grindstone and to build a better life for their kids.

Last month I went to my favorite Pica Pollo place in Bonao about midnight. I asked the Chinese owner what time he closes. He said never. You can see where his family sleeps in the room behind the counter. How many people are going to put in that kind of dedication and fortitude? Then when you eventually see him with a big house and a chain of restaurants you think he did something special. Yeah. It is called work and sacrifice.

[Mr Gogo]

Open season.

I found a spot run by a Swiss guy that has 80 pesos cubalibres and he makes them strong. Usually 4 will do for the night but after two of his I got to start watering down.

Anyway I post up and it's a newbie I and the strip. I know he is a newbie because the touts got him surrounded and he can't escape. Dude can't say no. Now the girls done got the message and he is through. He has the skankiest chicas on the strip acting like they got class. One girl had the same dress on last night LOL. I watch from 20 feet but I don't need to hear the script (Happy hour poppi, where you from etc. He just brought drinks for everyone even if he don't know it. Damn Gogo help him, nope. The girls are talking in front of him at the same table, he probably doesn't speak Spanish. He is in heaven with one fine girl and a skank thinking she had hit the lotto. Oh shit!! Homeboy is feeling the fine girl up but can he ditch the hustler chic skank. Three big Biz Markie (google it) brothers walked down the street as the newbie is in the bathroom. These girls have no shame. I'm giving you play by play from the strip as I sit in the suite watching. Let's see what happen?

Okay the dude is smooth no newbie he just came out the restroom on kissed both girls. The hustler jumped on his lap. It's a competition going on and the sweet girl is loosing. They look at me because they know they are wrong and I look away. The skank is still sitting on his lap rubbing his ears, he is probably thinking I'm getting my ass licked by the hustler.

They are huddled up like a football team probably negotiating the details. Damn the hustler just got up and pulled dude away to talk. This is a power play, friends become enemies. Hopefully he will see the hustle. Okay he's paying the bill. Homeboy had a plan he wanted two hope they don't roll him. I'm watching them walk down the strip hand in hand. Who said love is not alive LOL?

It's Tuesday so I'm saving up for the weekend so we will see how it plays out. Incidentally La Vega has humbled herself and been cool but I'm still teaching tough love.

[Tempoecorto]

It is called work and sacrifice.I agree completely.

[Revere]

A LETTER FROM A you. S CITIZEN EXTORTED IN SOSUA.

"I have a very bad distaste in my mouth about this country and the city of Sosua. I was involved in a car accident one month ago I did everything I could to help the family and my car insurance was supposed to take care of the injured victims.

Even though it was not my fault I paid for the ambulance to take the victim to Santiago I gave the family gas and food money to go to Santiago and I even went to visit the family in the hospital too see if they needed anything, I felt bad for the family. When the family found out I was an American citizen then came the extortion.

They refuse to use the insurance to aid their medical needs and are now in the process of trying to extort money out of me in order for me too leave the country.

Now the woman is claiming she has no help and is praying on the media for help. The car insurance was there on day one and this should've been over with. Now I am stuck here with no funds. I wanted to live here and open a business which is the reason why I came now I want to sue this country when I return to the USA I lost my job, house and almost everything I own.

There is no justice in this country for American citizens. Most people think we are rich or are here to meet women. I was here for a change of life. I've been coming here since 2007 and I seen this community change for the worst.

Everyone is for themselves here. I came to find out I was charged without being charged for a crime when it was the other party's fault. They had not back tail lights no license ID or insurance to be on the bike especially at night with no back tail lights.

My passport was taken from me and held for over a week. My lawyer put a restriction on my passport after I paid him his fee and disappeared. I am told unless I give up 10,000 I can not leave the country and this was told to me by the district attorney or I have to wait six months. I no longer have any money and no more resources. I plan on suing everyone. It is sad because I wanted to live here and enjoy my live now I will never come back here again. It is crazy I work for the police department in New York I never committed a crime and I was trying to help the local church in Montellnao get bibles.

I wanted to find a way to help the kids on the street get some kind of education because that is the main problem education but what do you do when the city of Sosua is trying extort money from you.

I am best friends with many of the police offices here and really look out for me and protected me when I was detained. These guys really work hard protecting this city and deserve pay accordingly. ".

Thank you for reading this letter.

Sabar.

[Parkinsons]

Cual es la diferencia entre el pica pollo chino yy el dominicano?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M21chdgKZM

I still like my fried chicken with mumbo sauce (Gogo you should know what I'm talking about).

[Doker44]

A LETTER FROM A you. S CITIZEN EXTORTED IN SOSUA.

"I have a very bad distaste in my mouth about this country and the city of Sosua. I was involved in a car accident one month ago I did everything I could to help the family and my car insurance was supposed to take care of the injured victims.

Even though it was not my fault I paid for the ambulance to take the victim to Santiago I gave the family gas and food money to go to Santiago and I even went to visit the family in the hospital too see if they needed anything, I felt bad for the family. When the family found out I was an American citizen then came the extortion.

They refuse to use the insurance to aid their medical needs and are now in the process of trying to extort money out of me in order for me too leave the country.

Now the woman is claiming she has no help and is praying on the media for help. The car insurance was there on day one and this should've been over with. Now I am stuck here with no funds. I wanted to live here and open a business which is the reason why I came now I want to sue this country when I return to the USA I lost my job, house and almost everything I own.

There is no justice in this country for American citizens. Most people think we are rich or are here to meet women. I was here for a change of life. I've been coming here since 2007 and I seen this community change for the worst.

Everyone is for themselves here. I came to find out I was charged without being charged for a crime when it was the other party's fault. They had not back tail lights no license ID or insurance to be on the bike especially at night with no back tail lights.

My passport was taken from me and held for over a week. My lawyer put a restriction on my passport after I paid him his fee and disappeared. I am told unless I give up 10,000 I can not leave the country and this was told to me by the district attorney or I have to wait six months. I no longer have any money and no more resources. I plan on suing everyone. It is sad because I wanted to live here and enjoy my live now I will never come back here again. It is crazy I work for the police department in New York I never committed a crime and I was trying to help the local church in Montellnao get bibles.

I wanted to find a way to help the kids on the street get some kind of education because that is the main problem education but what do you do when the city of Sosua is trying extort money from you.

I am best friends with many of the police offices here and really look out for me and protected me when I was detained. These guys really work hard protecting this city and deserve pay accordingly. ".

Thank you for reading this letter.

Sabar.Frankly I don't post here much anymore because there is more worthless BS posted here now but jeez when will people learn. As somebody that was thrown in jail as a newbie I learned the hard way. Sabar has has been coming here since 2007 but makes every rookie mistake in the book. DO NOT DRIVE IN THE DR! I see guys come into PP airport and 30 minutes later are speeding around on ATV's. Not only will an accident change your life; if the damn ATV/Car gets stolen you have a problem, if it gets damaged or better yet they say its damaged you have a problem. Lawyers you don't know are going to exploit you, probably in conjunction with the lawyers of the other party. STOP hanging or getting friendly with the police thinking your the man. All they are going to do is ask you for money. Yea I know they tell you to program their phone number into your phone in case "you have problem". Guess what they now have a reason to make a problem for you so they can get paid. By the way he isn't suing anyone!

[Mr Enternational]

Frankly I don't post here much anymore because there is more worthless BS posted here now but jeez when will people learn. As somebody that was thrown in jail as a newbie I learned the hard way. Sabar has has been coming here since 2007 but makes every rookie mistake in the book. DO NOT DRIVE IN THE DR! I see guys come into PP airport and 30 minutes later are speeding around on ATV's. Not only will an accident change your life; if the damn ATV/Car gets stolen you have a problem, if it gets damaged or better yet they say its damaged you have a problem. Lawyers you don't know are going to exploit you, probably in conjunction with the lawyers of the other party. STOP hanging or getting friendly with the police thinking your the man. All they are going to do is ask you for money. Yea I know they tell you to program their phone number into your phone in case "you have problem". When a policeman came and handled a chica problem I had in Sosua and told me to put his number in my phone he did not ask for any money. When I totalled the rental car in the accident in Abreu neither the National Police who came and pushed the car out of the main road nor the AMET guy who came to make the report asked for money. As a matter of fact, the only thing that accident cost me was time. The time the tow truck had to take me and the car all the way back to Santo Domingo for me to get a replacement car.

The only times I have been asked for money is by the police that make a road block or by ones who see it is a rental car and pull me over. And I have always told them no. I am a living contradiction to what you are saying. I always drive in DR. I have totalled a car in DR and my life did not change. I have never given police who have asked for it money in DR. I have never been to jail in DR. STOP with your fear mongering.

[Mr Gogo]

Final analysis, my top three have been regulated because of their disrespect of my time and replaced. They are in jeopardy of falling out the top five and I have no sympathy. Those of you who are cool with me are updated with photos.

It's really sad to see girls you had on a pedestal downgrade themselves and then try to beg back in, but you live and learn. Understand the competition.

I was just telling Mr E tomorrow I'm going to have some pregnant pussy, why not?

I just finished with a certified 10 and she had a mad head game but she couldn't take dick, go figure. You trick everyday and got a baby pussy.

The talk on the Sosua board seems petty to me because the guys talking the most recent intelligent do really get much pussy. They want to analyze everything and Jack their dick. It's cool to settle down but get out the arena. It's exciting pussy of different variety and that's what I'm m talking about. Experiencing the different variety the DR has to offer before you commit.

Usually the guys that claim they know it all haven't done nothing because it's never ending. From that plain Jane to the pregnant girl, to the pigeon toed girl who appreciates everything is what it m talking about.

I saw a 35 year old MILF tonight that was quiet and gorgeous. She was shy and content but waiting for that special guy.

Listen all these girls have a history that you don't want to know about but they still believe it's one for them. Handle yourself according and you can enjoy yourself and make a lifelong friend.

Experience is not living in some place if you don't sample the delicacy before you fully understand. It's a long process that you can't simplify.

[Mr Gogo]

Barcelona!

First and foremost, I want to thank The Cane and Smuler for providing me with great information!

I really had no interest in Europe, but Spain was the exception because of the language and food; thus, I had to go!

Logistics:

Flight:

The cheapest flight I found from San Diego and back was in coach for $1,400 and some change; that was on United.

Logging:

I rented a 2-bedroom apartment in a great location in Barcelona. I rented through Airbnb. It was one block from a large park and 3-4 blocks from the beach. It was high season and the apartment was 150 bucks each night.

Money:

The currency in Spain is Euros. I used the ATM at the airport to have cash on hand. The following day, I cashed in a bunch of dollars at a bank close to my place, passport was required. I used ATMs after I ran out of cash. When I was there, the exchange rate was 1 euro = 1. 14 usd.

Communication:

I started using WhatsApp on my regular phone. I started chatting with my Airbnb host before I left. As long as I had a WiFi signal, WhatsApp was free of charge. I was chatting on WhatsApp to a couple of women in Peru, as well as using Skype, video calls, to Peru. All the restaurants had WiFi and if you wanted to use their WiFi, you had to go to their Facebook page and click the "Like" button; silly, but true. Yeah, it read, "You can Like us on Facebook for free internet access. "

Immigration:

The plane arrived early morning in Barcelona. There was a line from hell because there were only 5 Immigration agents working the booths.

Language barrier:

Because the dominant language in Barcelona is Catalan, I was a bit nervous going there. All the signs in Barcelona are in Catalan. At the airport, signs were in Catalan, Spanish, and English. I was hoping that my crappy Spanish would help me communicate on some level; and it did. All the taxi drivers, servers, and others that I talked to, they spoke to me in Spanish; I was a happy camper.

Transportation:

From the airport and back, regular taxis were 35 euros each way.

Beaches:

There are 3 main beaches in Barcelona: Barceloneta, Icaria, and Mar Bella. There was no nudity on Icaria, some nudity on Barceloneta, and Mar Bella is a completely nude beach. Mar Bella is also a so-called gay beach. So if you guys like showing your junk; have at it! There was a lot of nude women as well. Hell, I even took off my shirt so I would not look like a complete pervert; didn't fool anyone, too old and too white!

I ate at the following places:

Llamber. Tapas (a few times).

La Taberna. Paella.

Cerveseria Catalana. Tapas.

Cuskal Etxea. Tapas.

Jamon Experience. The best fucking ham I've ever had!

Exiringuito Escriba. Paella.

Talleres Tapas. Tapas.

Pepa Tomate. Paella.

Xiroi. Tapas.

L'Arros. Paella.

La Boqueria. Big market with tapas.

ITAPA. Tapa buffet for 13.95 euros.

Transportation:

I'm a lazy bastard, so I took taxis everywhere I went. Important note: Write down the name of the place and the physical address to show to the taxi drivers.

I also did a lot of walking. It is a great city to explore on foot. A butt-load of people were riding bicycles all over town. The city has bike lanes throughout the streets and sidewalks. The city is very walking and biking friendly.

While mongering in Barcelona, these sites were very useful:

http://www.sexomercadobcn.com/app.html

http://www.wikisexguide.com/wiki/Main_Page

Strip / table dance clubs:

In each club, I asked several questions and did my best to write the answers on my trusty note pad. As each night went on, the more I drank. Thus, if I am wrong with any of my notes, feel free to correct me. All the prices are in Euros.

I always drink screwdrivers when I travel, and always with the house vodka; Smirnoff. However, most of the clubs used Absolute.

The fichas were various prices, I am quoting the lowest ficha price.

The girls were from all over: Brazil, Venezuela, Colombia, DR, and multiple countries in Europe.

Club: Bagdad.

Cover charge: 90 fucking euros - 1 drink included.

My drink: 20.

Ficha cost: 60.

Sex with one of the girls: 400 for 30 minutes.

Sex on site: Yes.

Number of Chicas: 10 sharks, and the others were performers.

Quality of Chicas: WOW.

Comments: Vale, as soon as you walk in you are attacked by the sharks. The sharks want to take you to the outer seating and press you for drinks and money for sex. There is seating around the stage; this is the safe zone, no sharks allowed. I moved to the front of the stage for my best view of the show. The show was entertaining, but not entertaining enough for the cover charge. At one point, two girls brought me and another dude on stage. I thought the chica would sit on my face; at least I hoped. The girls started stripping the other dude to bare metal and when I saw that; I fled like a Cuban refugee! Bottom line, skip this place!

[Revere]

Visitor from the US tells of her regretful experience at Samana airport.

"We arrived at the Samana airport returning from a week's holiday for my sister's wedding for flight number 2731 at approximately 1:00 pm. We checked our bags and entered the second security check with the x-ray machines.

"They made us remove our shoes and scanned our bags. It was good to see such an extra effort for our own security and safety. One of the customs agents pulled my husband's carry-on bag aside and was searching through it with a look like it was Christmas morning. He then pulled out and separated two very expensive digital cigarettes as well as the 30 ML juice bottles.

"he left the lower value ones in the carry-on bag and preceded to put them in a bin while showing the other agents what he had found. My husband asked what the issue was. With very little communication he replied no when asked if he could explain why the digital cigarettes as well as the 30 ML juice bottles were removed. Just our luck our brother in law speaks Spanish and he asked him and the other agents why those are being taken and he said they are not allowed on the plane.

"This is a false statement 30 ML of bottles of liquid e cigarette's etc. Are allowed in the carry-on luggage. When we asked for government documentation stating those laws he replied this is the Dominican! We even noticed a little head nod to the other agents as they all had there turn looking in the bin.

"We waited for the rep from airline to come through the security check who finally came twenty minutes before our flight was to leave and asked her about the items confiscated. She basically told us that those items belong to them now and there is nothing we could do.

"So when we asked her boss Alicia Reyes Rosado she told us the same thing. Its not just the fact that we had over $350 dollars' worth of fully legal and safe items taken from us, It is very disappointing to witness the people that are elected as security officials do the very thing that they are hired to protect us from. I have researched on the internet and this is not an isolated incident. And I hope for the sake of the beautiful country and the relationship with the tourist's this stops.

Name of visitor withheld at her request.

[Mr Enternational]

Everywhere is different. Even different airports throughout Brazil do different things. In Santo Domingo they took my afro pick. A couple of trips after that they tried to take my stick deodorant (you ever see the price of deodorant in the DR?), Tabasco sauce, and tweezers. I asked for a supervisor. The supervisor told me I could use the hot sauce to burn someone's eyes. After that I took my pencil out of my bag and lunged at her acting like I was stabbing her in the eye. She jumped back thinking I was going to do it for real. I said well why didn't you take this too? She got the message and gave all of my shit back.

[MS Clive]

... After that I took my pencil out of my bag and lunged at her acting like I was stabbing her in the eye. She jumped back thinking I was going to do it for real. I said well why didn't you take this too? She got the message and gave all of my shit back.You white guys can get away with anything. If I tried that I would be in jail. Really.

[Parkinsons]

You white guys can get away with anything. If I tried that I would be in jail. Really.Perhaps the officers felt a special kinship with him because he's the only white guy they're seen who uses an Afro pick.

[SavePros321]

Perhaps the officers felt a special kinship with him because he's the only white guy they're seen who uses an Afro pick.Mr. E gets a lot of sun while he is down there, lmao! 😝.

[Mr Gogo]

As I sit on the strip in Boca Chica sipping my cubalibre analyzing the past ten days the pussy was the most easy, given part of my vacation. This is weird to say but I find the dogs who hang out in the street along with the bar owners more relevant sometimes.

The dogs are funny because they are hustlers in their own right. They kind of give you a funny look into things. They bark at the cops, get food from the street walkers and Bogart other dogs who are new. Somewhat like the touts.

The bar owners are cool because once they see you regularly they want to know your story. As you give them only a little they open up totally to what they are experiencing. We think they are rich guys living the life but actually they are living for now pussy whipped dudes trying to hold on to the little they have until something else develops.

Boca is similar to Sosua and probably anywhere else in the DR. The Haitians have their own click who experience racism daily. The half breeds Dominicans / Haitians usually try to blend with the Dominicans, the Dominicans enjoy the privilege.

For some reason I enjoy the Haitians shit more. They are more real and human. Reliable, great sex and intelligent. The Dominicans sometimes seem to have a hustle and can appear sincere but your guard never comes down.

Any bar owner dealing with Haitians has a hard time from the establishment but they obviously don't care. Got to love the euro bosses who buck the trend.

Went to Juan dolio on the bus report coming. Preview; I like Juan dolio.

I love spectating. I'm at bar Latino and it between the Batey and Piano bar. It's a short time hotel next to it and observe the comings and goings. It's a learning experience to say the least.

Now the Haitians are dancing with theme and having a good time. They even got a holla hoop out so I can see who can whip their hips and neck for good fucking. Got to love the DR.

[Naked Gunz]

Yeah. It is called work and sacrifice.I don't know about shithole DR, but in America, they open liquor stores in Black ghettos and sell cheap fortified beer and booze to people that already don't have shit or shinola. They give low cost loans to each other for these buisnesses. Refuse to hire Black to even sweep the floor. Fuck you and them E.

[Mr Gogo]

Today I went back to Juan Dollio with my new girl and her friend. I found Juan Dolio a refreshing change from Boca Chica and thoroughly enjoyed it.

The ocean is cleaner and prettier, the air is clean and the town is a plain beach town. Touts don't hound you and it has a superior feel to it.

The bus from Boca Chica is 35 pesos each way. I have pictures but my phone won't load them. There are two types of buses and we caught both. One is a smaller, blue Carib tours type of bus. Cold air, screen for TV and very comfortable. The other are the big van types. Some you just open the windows and get a breeze, others have curtains and cold air. I just don't know why people (gringos) waste money buying a vehicle in the DR. You sit down and they collect the money later. The ride from Boca Chica to Juan dolio was less than 30 minutes. It's all flag stops so yell when you want to get off. A taxi Costs 1000 pesos each way.

The food at Juan Dolio is expensive compared to say Boca Chica so be prepared. The same fish I pay 380 pesos for in Boca Chica costs 600 pesos.

You have to walk out the town to the main road to catch the bus, about a 8 minute walk. Just stand on the corner and wait. We were quite a site, a gringo with two fine ass girls. I had the feeling if I was two blocks from the main road on the other side I might have a fight on my hands. I could see the motochoncho guys whispering and looking. I played it off as the buses run by every five minutes.

Overall I enjoyed the journey and can check off another lesson learned in the DR. If you got a little money and want a nice spot to hang or live it could be cool. New developments are coming up so watch for it.

I know how to dress Dominican but my body language is gringo, got to work on that.

Got back to the hotel and just in time because it started raining hard. Me and the Chica took a shower, turned the air conditioning up high and snuggled under the sheets as she watched " the specialist " with Sly Stallone. I cupped a titty, got closer and started humping. Grabbed a condom and stole her from her movie but fuck it, this is my vacation.

Incidentally the friend is fine and I tried a happy hour but when I saw my girls reaction I played it off and said it was for my amigo.

Sent the pics to Mr E and a few others and they are begging for the hookup. Damn I want her myself.

Overall the vacation was wonderful. Didn't think about Sosua once. My arm is fine and my mind is stress free. Made some good contacts and still have others who have to work their way back into the rotation. I know Dominicanas are lazy with time but mine is valuable and non negotiable. Plus the island is full of too many adventures to be waiting. Live it.

[GrownMan1]

No not you. A year-and-a-half ago you wasn't too fond of BC. Now you are fishing in my holes. Driving to Andres looking for the sleepers that's my MO. I think you need to go back to sosua and start Sports f* again. Leave dirty grimy Boca Chica to me.

[Mr Enternational]

No not you. A year-and-a-half ago you wasn't too fond of BC. Now you are fishing in my holes. Driving to Andres looking for the sleepers that's my MO. I think you need to go back to sosua and start Sports f* again. Leave dirty grimy Boca Chica to me.LOL. You done created a monster.

[Mr Gogo]

No not you. A year-and-a-half ago you wasn't too fond of BC. Now you are fishing in my holes. Driving to Andres looking for the sleepers that's my MO. I think you need to go back to sosua and start Sports f* again. Leave dirty grimy Boca Chica to me.As Mr E just said in the Sosua forum; learning from other members and the board is a great asset. You cultivated that spot and turned me on to it. It's stocked with fish and most gringos are scared to go there. The girls showed me some videos from the clubs there but it wasn't any gringos. They party there but not a good place to be late at night if you not connected.

But driving through during the day and getting numbers is too easy. The only problem with girls from there is they might not have a cedula or phone. It's funny but it seems normal to have several girls using the same phone. I call it " for appointments only" phones LOL.

[Mr Enternational]

But driving through during the day and getting numbers is too easy. The only problem with girls from there is they might not have a cedula or phone. It's funny but it seems normal to have several girls using the same phone. I call it " for appointments only" phones LOL.Get Old Kool to drop off a batch of his famous ebay phones next time he is in town.

[Tempoecorto]

As Mr E just said in the Sosua forum; learning from other members and the board is a great asset. You cultivated that spot and turned me on to it. It's stocked with fish and most gringos are scared to go there.....
But driving through during the day and getting numbers is too easy.Why don't you show us some examples of Andres magnets that draw you guys?

Thanks in advance.

[Mr Gogo]

Why don't you show us some examples of Andres magnets that draw you guys?

Thanks in advance.I can't expose them in this forum but drop your e-mail address in my PM box and I will share. You are a poster I do trust.

[OldKool]

I buy decent smart phones for 50 bucks Amazon. My Haitian sweety was thrilled by the phone. She gave me a wonderful time. Many of the girls want brand names. Iphones and Samsung are very popular.


Get Old Kool to drop off a batch of his famous ebay phones next time he is in town.

[GrownMan1]

I love buying cheap cell phones and plugging young chicas in The Matrix. Like Olskool I pay between 35 + 55 for the ones I "trade" away. I know lots of those chica do not have access to cheap technology like we have in the states. 2 days of sexual encounters with no complaints and a chica is subject to walk away plug into WhatsApp Facebook and any other application of social media she wants to explore. Hell I even help some start their own Gmail accounts so they can download the apps. It's a beautiful thing when everyone walks away smiling.

[GrownMan1]

Mr. G and I are back in the mix next week. With all that attention going on the North Coast I don't think we will make it there but who knows. I have a young chica who has been coming at me for sometime. I haven't touched her because she honestly admitted she was 17 and a half. Even though her mother gave me her blessings on several occasions that means nothing to me. This young lady is no virgin, however I have the legalities of things plus my conscience to think about. Her mother told me in January her birthday was August 1st. I told her mother I will be there on August 3rd. There is no need for me to come on her birthday. I promise I will post a picture but only after August 1st. Her mother has already requested 4 a tablet. And she wants me to pay for her daughter's cellular. For this young Tender Roni no problem. I brought one of those RCA tablets for $39 on Black Friday 2 years ago. I never use it. It's going to make the perfect gift. Her mom has her eyes on my pockets and I understand the game. I hope she does too -well. Not really.

[Mr Gogo]

Unfinished business.

La Vega girl is still begging for another try, but I'm making her sweat it out.

Amazon asked for some money, then when I ignored her came back to ask in English. Hopefully now she will get the message that I don't discuss sending money.

Going to try to hunt Revere down again, slow down hommie.

Still got somethings I want to finish up on the south coast. Cuba is lined up for October and December so I might not be back to the DR till 2017.

BQ said Uber is 960 pesos from SDQ to Gascue. I found the bus stop at the top level of the airport by the end. It's 50 pesos to Boca Chica. There was a brother there waiting to go to Santo Domingo and he says he waits on the top level (departing) for a cab that just dropped someone off and offer them a 1000 pesos note for SD. Smart move.

Grownman how you going to jump in my ass back in March when I gave Anny that used phone before I left, but now say you doing the same thing?

Don't know about a Sosua run, why? Classicos is only open on weekends and Rumbas is closed. The girls and the cops are on edge and everyone is waiting to see what happens next. Fuck that shit when I got new territory to explore.

Maybe a switch up to SD to diversify the game. I think people will now be giving Boca Chica a second look with Sosua in the spotlight. Good thing is they don't know about San Pedro and Andres. We have to stay one head of the flock, so SD might be in play.

Someone said Cuba doesn't have the infrastructure and they are correct. But flights for 299 and its proximity to the States will make it a look see. Cuba is on a slow come up. Once movies and videos are filmed there, people will be hooked on its culture and people. The Faucet is only on drip now.

[Manizales911]

Mr. G and I are back in the mix next week. With all that attention going on the North Coast I don't think we will make it there but who knows. I have a young chica who has been coming at me for sometime. I haven't touched her because she honestly admitted she was 17 and a half. Even though her mother gave me her blessings on several occasions that means nothing to me. This young lady is no virgin, however I have the legalities of things plus my conscience to think about. Her mother told me in January her birthday was August 1st. I told her mother I will be there on August 3rd. There is no need for me to come on her birthday. I promise I will post a picture but only after August 1st. Her mother has already requested 4 a tablet. And she wants me to pay for her daughter's cellular. For this young Tender Roni no problem. I brought one of those RCA tablets for $39 on Black Friday 2 years ago. I never use it. It's going to make the perfect gift. Her mom has her eyes on my pockets and I understand the game. I hope she does too -well. Not really.How are you going to verify that she is 18,I doubt very much if she will have a cedula three days after her birthday. I wouldn't touch her with a ten foot pole until she had a government issued PHOTO ID, anything else could be easily faked, a cedula can too but a photo ID is inherently more difficult than let's say a birth certificate. Given what has been going on lately I think you are crazy for even talking to her but that's just my opinion.

[GrownMan1]

How are you going to verify that she is 18,I doubt very much if she will have a cedula three days after her birthday. I wouldn't touch her with a ten foot pole until she had a government issued PHOTO ID, anything else could be easily faked, a cedula can too but a photo ID is inherently more difficult than let's say a birth certificate. Given what has been going on lately I think you are crazy for even talking to her but that's just my opinion.I can understand your opinion. This is not a street chica. This young chica came very honest about her age thinking it wasn't a problem. Her mother only confirmed what the young lady have been telling me on a different occasion. I told her mother that I will wait until she turns 18. Her mother said " you don't to have to wait until August" it's ok thinking that will deter me. Especially after she gave me her blessings. I am a little familiar with Dominican culture and their people. Had she lied and told me she was 19 I would have believed her. They have a family booth away from the strip. Seen her over the years but I've never stepped to her. One day while driving around and under I saw that ass from behind and some white spandex while she was walking her siblings to school. I called her over and when she turned around I was surprised it was her. I almost cracked on her mother. If I am wrong, I hope you guys enjoy reading my post on the aftermath.

[SavePros321]

I can understand your opinion. This is not a street chica. This young chica came very honest about her age thinking it wasn't a problem. Her mother only confirmed what the young lady have been telling me on a different occasion. I told her mother that I will wait until she turns 18. Her mother said " you don't to have to wait until August" it's ok thinking that will deter me. Especially after she gave me her blessings. I am a little familiar with Dominican culture and their people. Had she lied and told me she was 19 I would have believed her. They have a family booth away from the strip. Seen her over the years but I've never stepped to her. One day while driving around and under I saw that ass from behind and some white spandex while she was walking her siblings to school. I called her over and when she turned around I was surprised it was her. I almost cracked on her mother. If I am wrong, I hope you guys enjoy reading my post on the aftermath.The way you talk about how money-hungry the mother is, this sounds like a good way to get set up to be exploited (may the daughter is actually 16 and is turning 17 in August?). But you know the situation better than we do, so do your thang. Even with the mom that is still too many people in the mix for my taste. Because you know she is going to tell someone about the deep-pocketed foreigner coming for her daughter. Then that person will talk about it to someone else...

Could be a good thing though: maybe you'll have a line of mothers at your door offering up their daughters for a tablet, hahaha 😛

[GrownMan1]

The way you talk about how money-hungry the mother is, Even with the mom that is still too many people in the mix for my taste. Because you know she is going to tell someone about the deep-pocketed foreigner coming for her daughter. Then that person ..That's a good different perspective why I shouldn't stick my head in the lion's mouth. I know mr. G is yelling don't do a grown man don't do it. But sorry I'm going all-in. How things went down and played out I doubt they can orchestrate that well. Both of them thought it really was no problem with her being 17. Well she did say 17 and a half. I think she like the fact that I had principles and dressed casually. I usually get lucky when I'm dressed in a walking suit with a fresh cut. People think you respectable and treat you as such. Glad they can't read my attentions. I mean of course I'm a gentleman. But I'm just as grimy as the rest. All of my friends have been searched coming into the Dr. I've never not even scanned. The only difference between me and them is how we dress when we go to the airport.

[GrownMan1]

Could be a good thing though: maybe you'll have a line of mothers at your door offering up their daughters for a tablet, hahaha 😛No in Boca Chica by 17 usually the daughter is already out on the grin for her own tablet. If she's going that route.

[Tempoecorto]

All of my friends have been searched coming into the Dr. I've never not even scanned. Since when visitors are searched coming in to the DR? Never heard that one before!

[Parkinsons]

Her mother told me in January her birthday was August 1st. I told her mother I will be there on August 3rd. Message for GrownMan!!

[Mr Enternational]

Since when visitors are searched coming in to the DR? Never heard that one before!Since forever in Customs. I tell people to just ignore them and walk past.

[Tempoecorto]

Since forever in Customs. I tell people to just ignore them and walk past.Ah, I presume you are speaking of the X ray machine. I have at time had that. Indeed once, a woman took off a bag of fresh fruits I was bringing in. I thought the reference was to a body search though, which I have not seen either in STI or SDQ.

[GrownMan1]

Since when visitors are searched coming in to the DR? Never heard that one before!I take it that you're not of noticeable African descent. Nor do you travel often with people of African descendants.

[GrownMan1]

Message for GrownMan!!Et tu, Brute?

[Frannie]

Since when visitors are searched coming in to the DR? Never heard that one before!I wondered about that as I have entered the DR, I don't know, probably 70 or 80 times over the last dozen years and never been searched. I never attributed it to my clothing, but if you are being searched every time you enter the country, try this formula. Plain color polo shirt, black or khaki slacks with belt, wool blazer if cold on plane, socks, black shoes. No jewelry, earings, hair ribbons, tattoos on the face or neck, or other ornamentation. Hair cut short, clean shaven.

[Frannie]

Originally posted by GrownMan 1

I take it that you're not of noticeable African descent. Nor do you travel often with people of African descendants. Tempoecorto looks like your average Dominican, so could pass for someone of African descent. But it is interesting if what you say is true, that people of African descent are searched more often than not on entry to the DR, while others hardly ever are. I have a friend of African descent who has lived in the DR for several years and frequently travels overseas and he says this has never happened to him, even before he obtained an official residency. He just wears ordinary clothes like shirts and pants-nothing special.

[Nordico]

My luggage has been checked by the customs officer in DR. I am as white as one can get with blue eyes, middle aged, always dress nicely. When he started checking my suitcase I asked him if he has children and as he answered yes I gave him partly eaten Toblerone bar (one of those big ones) and that was it. I closed my suitcase.

[Tempoecorto]

I wondered about that as I have entered the DR, I don't know, probably 70 or 80 times over the last dozen years and never been searched. By golly, I must have entered the country about 15 times and there never was even a hint of a body search and only a couple of times scanning my bag. Not only that, in my travels around the world, I have never had to face a rigmarole like that. Of course, there is bag check but routine body search?

The fact that a country like the DR, fairly dependent on tourism, would frisk travelers boggles my mind. If what Grownman is saying is true, I am sorry that the African Americans not only have to bear the cross inside the country but abroad (and the irony of all, in the DR. A majority African heritage land) as well. Not OK!

[Frannie]

My luggage has been checked by the customs officer in DR. I am as white as one can get with blue eyes, middle aged, always dress nicely. When he started checking my suitcase I asked him if he has children and as he answered yes I gave him partly eaten Toblerone bar (one of those big ones) and that was it. I closed my suitcase.Oh, yeah, another reason why they never bother me is that I never take a suitcase. I keep enough clothes in the DR that I don't have to carry them, so just a few gifts and stuff. So there you have it, dress smart casual, don't take a suitcase, and just walk straight out without catching anyone's eye. If that fails, Plan be is the partly-eaten Toblerone bar.

[Troubleman69]

I wear a tshirt, sneakers, and shorts or sweats depending on the season when traveling to the DR. I have had my bags sent thru the machine on arrival once, but I have never had my body searched. I'm dark skinned, and I find it funny that most of the dominican people in the airport speak spanish to me, even thought I don't feel that I look or dress like a typical dominican. I have been sent to secondary twice when arriving in Atlanta from the DR, but that was more of a nuisance than anything else. I don't even remember them opening my bags.

[Mr Gogo]

Dominican and Venezuela officials bust prostitution ring and shutter motels.

Santiago. - The Justice Ministry said Friday that it shuttered the sex motels Helios and Galaxy, owned by Juan Antonio Fernandez, who also operated the closed strip club Casa Blanca last May, charged with money laundering, [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) and possession of illegal weapons, and will be held for 18 months to await trial.

Anti-Money Laundering officials raided the motels located on the Duarte highway near La Vega (central) Thursday morning, and at 1 pm closed the Helios, which has 56 cabanas and a restaurant. An unspecified time after, the officials said they also shuttered the Galaxy, which has 40 cabanas and a restaurant.

It also emerged yesterday that prosecutors try to locate other properties owned by Fernandez, from who the authorities last May seized US $800,000 and 11 million pesos in cash, luxury cars and guns of various calibers, during the raid at Casa Blanca, where officials "rescued" 45 Colombian and Venezuelan women, presumably prostitutes.

On that occasion a Santiago Judicial District court sent Fernández, Grismelda Amarilis Jolvert Merejo and Venezuelan Jose Ramirez to 18 months in prison, whereas Mary Magdalene Batista and Jairo Correa were released on RD $2.0 million bail each.

The group is charged with money laundering, [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) and weapons violation.

Santiago prosecutor Luisa Liranzo said Friday that the Venezuelan Johnny Eliexer Cordero Belisario, arrested by Interpol in a sting dubbed Spartacus III carried out in 25 countries, was being sought for his alleged link to club Casa Blanca.

A red alert for fugitives was issued for Cordero, wanted on charges of luring hundreds of Venezuelan and Colombian women to travel to the Dominican Republic where they were allegedly forced into prostitution.

Liranzo said Cordero was linked to 45 foreign women who were allegedly sexually exploited in Casa Blanca, adding that Santiago and Venezuelan prosecutors worked jointly to achieve his arrest. "The Venezuelan and Dominican authorities are immersed in the prosecution of the accused under arrest. ".

Source: DT.

July 30,2016.

[GrownMan1]

Streets 2 x.

Ro. 3 x and 1 x in SJU.

Fresh. 2 x Took his hair.

Ange 3 x Took bis cellphones had to Pay 6000 peso.

E 4 x Tool his Apple.

Will. 1 x.

I'll be lying if I say we will all dark skin. Some of us could pass as Dominicans except for our dress attire. They have all been checked coming into Sdq Ages 25- 48.

[Nordico]

By golly, I must have entered the country about 15 times and there never was even a hint of a body search and only a couple of times scanning my bag. Not only that, in my travels around the world, I have never had to face a rigmarole like that. Of course, there is bag check but routine body search?

The fact that a country like the DR, fairly dependent on tourism, would frisk travelers boggles my mind. If what Grownman is saying is true, I am sorry that the African Americans not only have to bear the cross inside the country but abroad (and the irony of all, in the DR. A majority African heritage land) as well. Not OK!If they are doing body searches to the guys coming from US, it must be weed they are looking for. Quite a few guys bring it with them.

[Ath Trainer]

If they are doing body searches to the guys coming from US, it must be weed they are looking for. Quite a few guys bring it with them.Jusr returned from vacation in Punta Cana. Stayed at a AI. Met a couple smoking a joint on the beach who brought it with them. Was later offered to buy from a vendor at a souveneir hut.

[Tempoecorto]

If they are doing body searches to the guys coming from US, it must be weed they are looking for. Quite a few guys bring it with them.I just read, somewhere in the reservations in the US west, a young man is likely to be sentenced for possessing a minuscule amount of that as at the federal level, it is still a punishable offense. I must be an idiot as I cannot quite figure out why a tourist would travel through the airports with that stuff, where the risks of discovery are much higher unless we are speaking of the mules.

[Nordico]

I just read, somewhere in the reservations in the US west, a young man is likely to be sentenced for possessing a minuscule amount of that as at the federal level, it is still a punishable offense. I must be an idiot as I cannot quite figure out why a tourist would travel through the airports with that stuff, where the risks of discovery are much higher unless we are speaking of the mules.It is risky to travel with that stuff, but it is also risky to buy it in DR if you don't have the right contacts. There has been many guys who go to Sosua bragging about this in other sites. In All Inclusives the staff don't easily denounce paying customers to the police, if they keep low profile. Too much hassle and bad PR, but motoconchos would get their cut from the police shakedown and it would be a payday for the customs officers if they found something on arrival. Few thousand USD easily.

[Tempoecorto]

Too much hassle and bad PR, but motoconchos would get their cut from the police shakedown and it would be a payday for the customs officers if they found something on arrival. Few thousand USD easily.Makes sense. I am really glad that my only addiction in life, is a beer and a cigar at times. I do not have to learn or worry about an unsavory world.

Interestingly, the DR women I know, have an equal dose of disdain / aversion to pot as to other hard stuff. It is curious as I see the former as harmless.

[SavePros321]

It is risky to travel with that stuff, but it is also risky to buy it in DR if you don't have the right contacts. There has been many guys who go to Sosua bragging about this in other sites. In All Inclusives the staff don't easily denounce paying customers to the police, if they keep low profile. Too much hassle and bad PR, but motoconchos would get their cut from the police shakedown and it would be a payday for the customs officers if they found something on arrival. Few thousand USD easily.On my second trip to Sosua a monger I met had some weed he got from a local guy and shared some with me. That shit was straight up garbage. Made Mexican brick week look like Kush, LOL.

No sense in getting locked up abroad for garbage weed. You can smoke the stuff either legally or with little to no hassle in most US States. California and Miami have beaches if you are looking for that effect. You can buy weed from pot shops and smoke it recreationally in Colorado and Washington State. If you want to bang hookers while getting blitzed then just jump on Eccie or P411 while there.

[OldKool]

The home grown in the DR is very bad but some of the girls have decent weed and will provide when comfortable with you. I have also brought small amounts in my socks with no issues. Sex and dancing with a weed buzz is a great time. The Haitian moto guys are safer if you are in the DR. They have no relations with the police and love the business.


On my second trip to Sosua a monger I met had some weed he got from a local guy and shared some with me. That shit was straight up garbage. Made Mexican brick week look like Kush, LOL.

No sense in getting locked up abroad for garbage weed. You can smoke the stuff either legally or with little to no hassle in most US States. California and Miami have beaches if you are looking for that effect. You can buy weed from pot shops and smoke it recreationally in Colorado and Washington State. If you want to bang hookers while getting blitzed then just jump on Eccie or P411 while there.

[Eszpresszo]

I love buying cheap cell phones and plugging young chicas in The Matrix. Like Olskool I pay between 35 + 55 for the ones I "trade" away. I know lots of those chica do not have access to cheap technology like we have in the states. 2 days of sexual encounters with no complaints and a chica is subject to walk away plug into WhatsApp Facebook and any other application of social media she wants to explore. Hell I even help some start their own Gmail accounts so they can download the apps. It's a beautiful thing when everyone walks away smiling.Interesting angle. I spend a lot of time on Ebay, where you can get new or factory refurbished 3 G phones in that price range. I emphasize the term 3 G, because these third world nations tend to be on 3 G networks, and the current 3 G phones sell at a discount to their comparable 4 G counterparts. We are talking smart phones, and some phones with very good reviews are in the $50 or less range. I would try that on my next trip, but I am headed to Asia next, where the locals have the upper hand on electronics! But, when you are stuck on an island, and a poor one, I have to wonder what other small but precious items could be brought in for gifts and the import value exceeds the actual cost (Scotch, sex toys, Toblerone?

[GrownMan1]

Interesting angle. I spend a lot of time on Ebay, where you can get new or factory refurbished 3 G phones in that price range. I emphasize the term 3 G, because these third world nations tend to be on 3 G networks, and the current 3 G phones sell at a discount to their comparable 4 G counterparts. We are talking smart phones, and some phones with very good reviews are in the $50 or less range. I would try that on my next trip, but I am headed to Asia next, where the locals have the upper hand on electronics! But, when you are stuck on an island, and a poor one, I have to wonder what other small but precious items could be brought in for gifts and the import value exceeds the actual cost (Scotch, sex toys, Toblerone?Amazon dude Amazon unlock cells.

[Frannie]

Interesting angle. I spend a lot of time on Ebay, where you can get new or factory refurbished 3 G phones in that price range. I emphasize the term 3 G, because these third world nations tend to be on 3 G networks, and the current 3 G phones sell at a discount to their comparable 4 G counterparts. We are talking smart phones, and some phones with very good reviews are in the $50 or less range. I would try that on my next trip, but I am headed to Asia next, where the locals have the upper hand on electronics! But, when you are stuck on an island, and a poor one, I have to wonder what other small but precious items could be brought in for gifts and the import value exceeds the actual cost (Scotch, sex toys, Toblerone?You can get a new unlocked Apple 5 C phone for as little as $89 on Ebay, but I think the best deal out there is the Nokia / Microsoft Lumia 640 that you can still pick up at Best Buy or at Walmart as an AT&T or Cricket GoPhone for only $29.99. To my mind this phone is actually better than the iPhone 5 C having 1) much better battery life, 2) replaceable battery, 3) better camera, 4) infinitely expandable memory via memory card slot, 5) bigger screen. In addition you can download Windows Insider and then install the latest version of Windows 10 for phones that includes things like dictating text messages. It works fine for Facebook and Whatsapp plus most other apps except for Snapchat. Also, as long as you do not use the SIM card provided with the phone even one time, you can get an unlock code for free within a few days from AT&T. (I have done it.).

As we say at ISG, why overpay when you can get a perfectly good smart phone for 1500 pesos or less?

[Frannie]

Makes sense. I am really glad that my only addiction in life, is a beer and a cigar at times. I do not have to learn or worry about an unsavory world.

Interestingly, the DR women I know, have an equal dose of disdain / aversion to pot as to other hard stuff. It is curious as I see the former as harmless.Nonsense, man, you are a sex addict.

I must say I cannot see any logic in traveling to the DR to do what is illegal in the US legally in the DR, and then bring drugs with you that are illegal in the DR. If you want to arbitrage drug laws better to buy over the counter medications like Viagra and antibiotics in the DR that you cannot buy without a doctor's prescription in the US, or get dental treatment like root canals and crowns for a fraction of the US price.

[Nordico]

Makes sense. I am really glad that my only addiction in life, is a beer and a cigar at times. I do not have to learn or worry about an unsavory world.

Interestingly, the DR women I know, have an equal dose of disdain / aversion to pot as to other hard stuff. It is curious as I see the former as harmless.LOL. I have smoked a few times, but it's not a for me, because makes me sleepy and I want to stay awake, which is even more illegal. I like my whisky.

[GrownMan1]

Nonsense, man, you are a sex addict.

I must say I cannot see any logic in traveling to the DR to do what is illegal in the US legally in the DR, and then bring drugs with you that are illegal in the DR. If you want to arbitrage drug laws better to buy over the counter medications like Viagra and antibiotics in the DR that you cannot buy without a doctor's prescription in the US, or get dental treatment like root canals and crowns for a fraction of the US price.

Some people only see they're wrong doings as Justified. Through The Eyes of someone else what they're doing is just as bad. I try not to judge no one by their deeds. Only by the sincerity of their actions. But I will admit some people get no love in my book.

[GrownMan1]

I have also brought small amounts in my socks with no issues. Sex and dancing with a weed buzz is a great time.Damn Olski you have a lot of heart. I would never try that. But I understand sexing a girl while you on that level. I have some Spanish love music in my background mixed in with my Jodeci Isley are. Kelly and Whispers.

[Parkinsons]

Damn Olski you have a lot of heart. I would never try that. But I understand sexing a girl while you on that level. I have some Spanish love music in my background mixed in with my Jodeci Isley are. Kelly and Whispers.Listening to RKelly while you're with your, umm, young girlfriend, then possibly peeing on her... Take to the sky on a natural high Gman! Do your thang.

[SavePros321]

You can get a new unlocked Apple 5 C phone for as little as $89 on Ebay, but I think the best deal out there is the Nokia / Microsoft Lumia 640 that you can still pick up at Best Buy or at Walmart as an AT&T or Cricket GoPhone for only $29.99. To my mind this phone is actually better than the iPhone 5 C having 1) much better battery life, 2) replaceable battery, 3) better camera, 4) infinitely expandable memory via memory card slot, 5) bigger screen. In addition you can download Windows Insider and then install the latest version of Windows 10 for phones that includes things like dictating text messages. It works fine for Facebook and Whatsapp plus most other apps except for Snapchat. Also, as long as you do not use the SIM card provided with the phone even one time, you can get an unlock code for free within a few days from AT&T. (I have done it.).

As we say at ISG, why overpay when you can get a perfectly good smart phone for 1500 pesos or less?This is a subject about buying phones for chicas. So to answer the last part of your question, it has more to do with style and brand than anything else. Chicas (especially young chicas) don't think like you do. You are thinking "why would I pay $200 for a pair of Jordans when I can just go to Walmart and buy a pair for $40. Hell, all I need them for is walking!"

A chica would not be caught dead carrying around your Nokia Lumia. Women are all about competing with one another and that phone (to her) tells other chicas that she is not beautiful enough to attract a man who can buy her an iPhone or Samsung Galaxy.

Haitian chicas may have no preference in the matter. A lot of them would probably be very content with whatever they can get.

[Tempoecorto]

Nonsense, man, you are a sex addict.LOL, All men are: some overtly and some secretly.


I must say I cannot see any logic in traveling to the DR to do what is illegal in the US legally in the DR, and then bring drugs with you that are illegal in the DR. That is what beats me, especially when the risks are disproportionately elevated but perhaps transgression gives a high to some.

[Frannie]

This is a subject about buying phones for chicas. So to answer the last part of your question, it has more to do with style and brand than anything else. Chicas (especially young chicas) don't think like you do. You are thinking "why would I pay $200 for a pair of Jordans when I can just go to Walmart and buy a pair for $40. Hell, all I need them for is walking!"

A chica would not be caught dead carrying around your Nokia Lumia. Women are all about competing with one another and that phone (to her) tells other chicas that she is not beautiful enough to attract a man who can buy her an iPhone or Samsung Galaxy.

Haitian chicas may have no preference in the matter. A lot of them would probably be very content with whatever they can get.Well, yeah, and of course they are very concerned about the resale value of the phone, should the occasion arise that it needs to be sold or pawned. On the other hand, if you are going to be buying phones in bulk to hand out to chicas, you probably don't want to be waiting for the iPhone 7 which is probably going to show up pretty soon, though its appearance will immediately devalue the iPhone 5 C even more.

However a cheap phone with a nice looking case for a few dollars more on Amazon may get the job done and look good in her hand. And, yes, my preference is for Haitians, though they too like iPhones, but really it is just because they have heard these phones are the best. However the concept of "just good enough" is starting to catch on worldwide, to the detriment of Apple and Samsung, that is phones that will run the top 15 apps, take good pictures, play your music, and so on without spending anything close to $600 for something that may become instantly worthless if accidentally dropped in the bathtub.

[Tempoecorto]

I like my whisky.I do too: Aberlour, with a drop of water, perhaps accompanied by a cigar!

[Mr Enternational]

This is a subject about buying phones for chicas. So to answer the last part of your question, it has more to do with style and brand than anything else.I understand what you are saying. A Dominican friend explained to me the materialism of Dominican chicks a long time ago. He said some will check the tags in your clothes to make sure they say Polo before they give you any play.

But I think this holds more for the educated middle and upper class chicks. Your average chick trolling Pedro Clisante who does not have a pot to wizz in will be glad to have whatever she can get her hands on.

[GrownMan1]

I understand what you are saying. A Dominican friend explained to me the materialism of Dominican chicks a long time ago. He said some will check the tags in your clothes to make sure they say Polo before they give you any play.

But I think this holds more for the educated middle and upper class chicks. Your average chick trolling Pedro Clisante who does not have a pot to wizz in will be glad to have whatever she can get her hands on.That is correct that's why I love to see chickens with flip flop. Of course if they can do better they will. Top distributor friends laugh at her when I gave her a Windows phone. They were bragging about the phones they received. They're Haitian. I had to upgrade her phone even though she said she didn't care what they said. I caught another lick for $75. HTC M8. She liked it because it was different from that of her friends and you can tell that the phone wasn't cheap. I played this game when I was in school. See who's wearing the cheap clothing or has the cheap items then make fun of them. I guess the poorer you are the more you try to show that you spend money when buying material things. I just bought me a convertible Lexus so I'm the one to talk.

[GrownMan1]

No sense in getting locked up abroad for garbage weed. You can smoke the stuff either legally or with little to no hassle in most US States. California and Miami have beaches if you are looking for that effect. You can buy weed from pot shops .Watching Lock Up Abroad will change someone decision about doing dirt away from the states. However, though it may be legal in those States it's not the same. If it was the same or better we wouldn't be on this board we will be on South Beach.

[GrownMan1]

This goes out to the newbies. Please do not bring your fresh all white Air Force Ones with your gear to wear here. Not unless you want them to be messed up within three minutes of walking. White shoes do not last long here.

Now on another note I just try using Wi-Fi calling with my cell phone. It requires no apps only Wi-Fi connection. Sone smartphones have this function. Much better than any app I've ever used and I can use my number. I have AT&T. I went into the store and the guy showed me what I need to turn on. I'm passing this information on to those who can use it. Mr. G I'll show you when you arrive.

[Frannie]

I understand what you are saying. A Dominican friend explained to me the materialism of Dominican chicks a long time ago. He said some will check the tags in your clothes to make sure they say Polo before they give you any play.

.It is all a con trick, though. I have about 50 shirts and I never pay more than a dollar or two for a shirt. Some of mine are expensive brands like Ralph Lauren Polo, Tommy Hilfiger, Chaps, Greg Norman, Gary Player, Dockers, etc, etc, and others are complete no name brands. The fancy label shirts are no better than the others and in some cases are worse.

So people who pay extra for certain brand name clothing items are mostly suckers. Not always, because sometimes the more expensive items really are better quality, but often not. You will pay more for a Toyota (Lexus), Nissan (Infiniti), or Honda (Acura) , but really a Mitsubishi, Suzuki, or even a Kia, is little different once you get under the hood. Certainly the price difference is not worth the money.

[SavePros321]

If it was the same or better we wouldn't be on this board we will be on South Beach.South Beach / Florida does not have recreational marijuana nor do they allow it for medicinal purposes. You can get fined and or go to jail having 20 grams or less on you.


However, though it may be legal in those States it's not the same. Google "Moon Rocks", and "Shatter" and get back to me :)

The pot these days is not the same as what most of you guys grew up with. And it is definitely not the same as that ghetto dirt shit you can get on the streets.

An example of just how advanced things have gotten here in the past decade:

Denver Relief

https://www.whaxy.com/dispensaries/denver-relief/menu

[GrownMan1]

South Beach / Florida does not have recreational marijuana nor do they allow it for medicinal purposes. You can get fined and or go to jail having 20 grams or less on you.

Google "Moon Rocks", and "Shatter" and get back to me :)

The pot these days is not the same as what most of you guys grew up with. And it is definitely not the same as that ghetto dirt shit you can get on the streets.

An example of just how advanced things have gotten here in the past decade:

Denver Relief

https://www.whaxy.com/dispensaries/denver-relief/menuIn South Florida a simple possession charge is only a fine. Moon rocks Gorilla Glue wax gummy bears I tried my share. This dirt weed is dirt but it's better than sneaking marijuana in my socks and getting caught. An old man might get away with it but I can't take that chance.

[OldKool]

I have found good reliable sources so it is not necessary to smuggle any more. I enjoy my weed buzzes and plan to continue. I just spent the week in South Florida. The beaches are awesome but there is no affordable pussy for us old guys. I had a good eating and laying on the beach but 20 year old pussy trumps all that.


In South Florida a simple possession charge is only a fine. Moon rocks Gorilla Glue wax gummy bears I tried my share. This dirt weed is dirt but it's better than sneaking marijuana in my socks and getting caught. An old man might get away with it but I can't take that chance.

[GrownMan1]

20 year old pussy trumps all that.Indeed nowhere within 5 hours can I have this much accessibility with this quality at these prices. And giving me that Hometown field at the same time.

[SavePros321]

This is why I would take money over fame any day:

http://www.tmz.com/2016/08/05/team-usa-basketball-players-brothel-rio-spa/

Here's an interesting take:

For these guys, their fame has women throwing pussy at them left and right. IN the USA.

Outside of the Matrix (USA), the effect doesn't carry over. Rio broad are like "Demarcus Cousins? Never heard of him. But he can have some of this pussy if he's got the right amount of Reals. ", lmao!

I don't think there is enough money in the world to convince me that having a camera shoved up your ass during your every move is somehow a good thing. Look at Bieber, hahaha (photo attached).

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2485218/Justin-Bieber-caught-sneaking-brothel-covered-bedsheets-Brazil-Believe-world-tour.html

[GrownMan1]

I left the Sue on Saturday headed back to Boca Chica. The guys I was traveling with only had time for one day. Since they were willing to drive I couldn't argue. When I arrived here on Saturday the only thing I can say is why didn't I stay in sosua. As far as nightlife a bad night in sosua it's better than a half decent night in Boca Chica. Hooked up with mr. G. he was on his Cooper libros. Yeah he was feeling good. I walked in the club here for all of 5 minutes. I didn't really feel like calling any of my regulars. I was with one Thursday all day. Since I doubled up before I left the Sue with two chicas from the Puerto Plata connection. Those girls drain you. I took an L for Saturday night. Figure I will double up on Sunday. PP bought a very young girl with her. There's no way in the world I would have touched her with a ten-foot pole. One of the guys I was with asked me how old do I think she is and I told him. That think that got his dick hard. He was determined. I'm glad I had my hotel separate from them. I didn't feel comfortable with her even in my circumference. For you child molesters out there he said she was a slender, angel faced Super freak and dudeqSa wanted to take her back to Boca Chica with us. She told him she was the breadwinner in her family. That's the Dominican culture for you in a lot of cases the woman is the breadwinner for the family. And the daughters are left home to support the mother and father and other siblings. It didn't surprise me that she had skills because all the girls in the Puerto Plata connection Pride themselves on being good performers. With emphasis in BBBJ. Of course the head leader would not let the young girl go back to Boca it with us. But shorty was game. All I was thinking about was being pulled over and questioning about the young girl in the car that didn't speak English. I was so glad her friend would not let her leave with us. I'm not her friend off just I like how she made sure all her girls with straight and she had a good attitude.

[GrownMan1]

So I purchased a flight with JetBlue. I chosed the blue Flex option. I was understanding it says for changes in parenthesis (plus any air fare difference) or cancellations. They were not going to charge me. I'm thinking okay if I pay $100 now if I decide to stay more days they're not going to charge me as written. Cool that's worth paying $100 now. I was supposed to leave Boca tomorrow. I'm thinking it's time to cash in on my change option. I tried to do it online it says I know $700 and something dollars. Say what. So I called using up all my minutes on my DR phone but luckily they had a local number. After talking to the reservationist she said I owe 700 and something dollars for a difference and airfare. I asked her to go online and please read to me because I'm blind and or misinterpreting what's written. She goes and reads what I'm reading and puts me on pause for 30 minutes. She then comes back and says if I am able to change my ticket online without them charging then there's no problem. Okay very funny. I explained to her the whole purpose of me paying $100 extra. She left for 20 minutes. She then came back and asked me to read that option again. She been pointed out to me the number 3 at the end of the sentence. Hey where did that come from. What's that got to do with what's written. That small number 3 is for a paragraph in terms and conditions. The last sentence of that paragraph says difference in fare only. You got to be kidding me. That was slicker then a Boca Chica tout. I was crushed by JetBlue. The reservationist then said because it's worded so strangely her supervisor has authorized her not to charge me for any changes or difference and airfare. I told her tell her supervisor he or she just made me a loyal JetBlue customer.

[SavePros321]

PP bought a very young girl with her. There's no way in the world I would have touched her with a ten-foot pole. One of the guys I was with asked me how old do I think she is and I told him. That think that got his dick hard. He was determined. I'm glad I had my hotel separate from them. I didn't feel comfortable with her even in my circumference. For you child molesters out there he said she was a slender, angel faced Super freak and dudeqSa wanted to take her back to Boca Chica with us. Some things are just best left unsaid homie, LOL.

This is one of the many reasons I don't meet up with peeps from this board. Nothing against you guys, but some of y'all like to roll with questionable accomplices; like on purpose, lol! Don't need that kinda drama while on vacation AND while in a 3rd world country on top of that.

[Combo]

This is why I would take money over fame any day:

http://www.tmz.com/2016/08/05/team-usa-basketball-players-brothel-rio-spa/

Here's an interesting take:

For these guys, their fame has women throwing pussy at them left and right. IN the USA.

Outside of the Matrix (USA), the effect doesn't carry over. Rio broad are like "Demarcus Cousins? Never heard of him. But he can have some of this pussy if he's got the right amount of Reals. ", lmao!

I don't think there is enough money in the world to convince me that having a camera shoved up your ass during your every move is somehow a good thing. Look at Bieber, hahaha (photo attached).

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2485218/Justin-Bieber-caught-sneaking-brothel-covered-bedsheets-Brazil-Believe-world-tour.htmlNot to mention if people know you have lots of money, you are a target. Chicas will go to great lengths to attempt to get pregnant with you (e. G. Poking holes in condoms). Even if you do have tons of money, it's better to have a low profile.

[Mr Gogo]

Had a very laid back day yesterday after doing the family thing with La Vega. I'm trying to switch gears but it's not coming easy but I have time left.

I have balloons in my apartment, a big lollipop in the frig and two quarts of chocolate milk, one unopened. We had such a good time at the beach and aquarium that I keep looking at the pictures. Tomorrow it's back to being a dog.

Today had dinner with Grownman and Subcmdr then walked around Boca Chica for awhile as the three of us planned an invasion of San Pedro later this week.

Went home and took a shower before hitting the Boca strip. I'm sitting in front of piano bar sipping my drink when one of the dogs 10 feet away starts barking at this Haitian dude walking by. The Haitian dude laughs at first then fakes a rush at the dog. A Dominican dude the same size as the Haitian tells him don't fuck with the dog. An argument starts and ten seconds later they are going at it. I grab my drink off the table and slide my chair for a front row seat. After about a minute the bouncers break them up. The Haitian walks off as the Dominican dude starts looking for his phone on the ground. The Dominican dude heads for the direction the Haitian dude walked in with motochoncho guys leaving their bikes for the hunt. I'm still at my table but the crowd is in a frenzy. Dominicans run to shit like that. I hope the Haitian dude was able to escape. Makes me wonder if that Haitian dude did some bullshit to that dog and the dog didn't forget LOL.

Went toward Batey about 1 am but stopped in bar Latino. Grownman walked up and we sat in the street trying to figure out if we want Haitian or Dominican cuisine tonight. This one girl walking by caught my fancy and passed my verbal test so I put her on hold and told her I was going to Batey for a minute with GM. We are in Batey and it's slow so I tell GM I'm going to get shorty. As I was saying this she pops up next to us like a genie. I ask how much dinero she needed and she said 5 k. I thought I heard wrong and the trick put up five fingers. I looked at GM and said I'm out catch you later. I don't want to even be in the same club this girl is in.

I go back to piano bar and my favorite gets off at 2 am but I'm not feeling the vibe of this night and pass. As I'm walking to the apartment a girl with a black dress wants to come with me. I ask how much and she says 2000. I ask if she has a cedula and she pulls out a printout that is about four feet long and unrolls it. What the fuck is this I ask. Abort Gogo.

I hop a passing motochoncho and head to the hotel. It's 50 pesos for anywhere in Boca Chica. I have only a mil pesos note and he is not taking my money to go get change so I offer a one dollar American bill and a 20 peso note. This ***** wants 100 pesos. I make the trip three times a day from Durate to my place and never pay more than 50 pesos. The Boca Chica hustle is heavy from all angles tonight. While I'm standing there arguing with the Haitian motochoncho guy a Chica rides by on the back of a motochoncho and I flag her down. She was too fine to pass up. So me and the motochoncho guy are going back and forth for 15 minutes and I realize he has time and I don't. Fuck everybody. I throw the 100 note on the ground and tell the girl he just cost you 2 k pesos with his bullshit, close the gate and walk in my unit without looking back. I hear the girl and the motochoncho guy arguing as I walk away. She is saying he cost her money and cussing him out. Then she wants the 100 peso note. Fuck this night.

[GrownMan1]

Nothing against you guys, but some of y'all like to roll with questionable accomplices; like on purpose, lol! Don't need that kinda drama while on vacation AND while in a 3rd world country on top of that.It's funny you said that. That same guy is feeling himself. He likes to brag about what he has in the US to feel Superior with these Dominican hustlers hanging around here. That's my man's man but this shit is so uncool. This is just his second time in the Dr. I was kicking it with Big Red a Sue vet. While he was giving us the lowdown on things happening, dude walked up with an Entourage of Dominican Hustlers with him. Since he's our man he's close to our circle. Big Red then turns to us and says why your boy has all those guys hanging around him we don't roll like that. You need to talk to him. Forget that dude has to learn the hard way.

And speaking of him he has an interest in one of the waitresses in Bourbon Street. She's a beautiful chica but she works in Bourbon Street. Waitresses have more regular then the average street puta. Can you imagine how many guys go after the waitress instead of the street puta. This is a common move made by many of us . I think some chica waitress as fronts to meet men and build up their clientele. The average beautiful waitress doesn't last long before she's pulled off by some gringo thinking she's better then the rest. Dude is telling us she's in college and she's trying to do better. He asked her to prove she's in college and she showed him paperwork. He then gave her $150. Stupid ass rookie move. Trying to impress and look like a big shot. He then tells us that a guy who works with her told him someone offered her $500 to sleep with her and she refused. I just sat back and listen back and listen. If my man is not trying to correct his homeboy who am I to tell him anything. That's why I got a different hotel from them. Later on that night he was supposed to get up with Miss Bourbon Street. That chica got off work and went straight home she didn't even call him. He can't read in between the lines. He and another guy wanted me to ride back the Sue on Monday. Shit not me! I know he wants to get back at Bourbon Street and at that little young girl he molested. I'm just being 100. And it's all my opinion.

[Nordico]

So I purchased a flight with JetBlue. I chosed the blue Flex option. I was understanding it says for changes in parenthesis (plus any air fare difference) or cancellations. They were not going to charge me. I'm thinking okay if I pay $100 now if I decide to stay more days they're not going to charge me as written. Cool that's worth paying $100 now. I was supposed to leave Boca tomorrow. I'm thinking it's time to cash in on my change option. I tried to do it online it says I know $700 and something dollars. Say what. So I called using up all my minutes on my DR phone but luckily they had a local number. After talking to the reservationist she said I owe 700 and something dollars for a difference and airfare. I asked her to go online and please read to me because I'm blind and or misinterpreting what's written. She goes and reads what I'm reading and puts me on pause for 30 minutes. She then comes back and says if I am able to change my ticket online without them charging then there's no problem. Okay very funny. I explained to her the whole purpose of me paying $100 extra. She left for 20 minutes. She then came back and asked me to read that option again. She been pointed out to me the number 3 at the end of the sentence. Hey where did that come from. What's that got to do with what's written. That small number 3 is for a paragraph in terms and conditions. The last sentence of that paragraph says difference in fare only. You got to be kidding me. That was slicker then a Boca Chica tout. I was crushed by JetBlue. The reservationist then said because it's worded so strangely her supervisor has authorized her not to charge me for any changes or difference and airfare. I told her tell her supervisor he or she just made me a loyal JetBlue customer.Within the same physical class in the airplane, there are many different "sales classes" with different amount of restrictions, starting from the most expensive unrestricted fare ending to the lowest fare, which you cannot change for another flight. Between those two there can be as many as 10 different sales classes, depending on the airline. Depending on the fare you paid, some tickets you can change as many times as you wish, others you can only change before the date on your ticket and some tickets you can change even if you had missed your flight, paying extra fee etc. In a way that works like the surge pricing on Uber, to maximize the profit for the airline. In the case of high demand Uber raises its prices and the airline "opens or closes" the sales classes I. E. Putting more expensive seats, with less restrictions, for sale and the opposite happens with low demand.

That is the fare difference they talked about in your case. They didn't have any seats available for sale in your "sales class", even if there were seats available in the same cabin class.

It's good that you had bought your ticket from the airline, because when you buy your ticket directly from them, you can communicate with them by phone or Twitter. If you buy your ticket from the intermediaries in the internet, like Momondo or Kayak, that may not always be the case. Many times they only have an email. If your ticket number starts with 000, it means that any changes you want to make or any problems you have, the airline asks you to contact the place where you bought your ticket. This is the reason I always buy my ticket from the airline, even if it may be a bit more expensive.

[GrownMan1]

Round trip to Cuba $267 from my airport. The prices are lower across the board. It's time to give time the Dr a break.

[Mr Gogo]

Someone sent me this today:

"Things have been quiet in Sosua for the last two weeks but there are some more changes coming.

The "usual suspects" I. E, bar and restaurant owners on or near Pedro Clisante, are in various stages of adjustment and acceptance of what has transpired since early June on their beloved street and center of town. The alphabet soup of associations supposedly representing them have been meeting weekly and writing letters to everybody but Santa Claus crying about the injustice. Their much anticipated "protest" failed miserably and yet they continue to make exaggerated claims about unemployment and business closings.

Some owners are making accommodating changes and converting their "bars" to "restaurants". Chez Monreal should be completing their renovation over the weekend and are reopening next week. Rumba is progressing with the renovation and expansion of their kitchen, the return of Rick as manager and the anticipation of re-branding as a restaurant.

Several business owners have expressed new found hope since the replacement of Francisco Dominguez Brito by Jean Alain Rodriguez as Procurador. Rumors of the closing times returning to later hours and the return of certain deported business owners are being propagated. Perhaps these will come to pass but this seems to be a group grasping at straws. Even if there is a return to the later operating hours, it is becoming apparent that this group represents a very small minority of Sosua's population, thus a few are making "changes", some very reluctantly, in their own businesses.

However there is one refreshing change on the horizon for Sosua that is actually happening right now and is not based on rumor or speculation and hopefully represents the future of investment here.

While much of the attention lately has been focused on a small 100 meter section of Pedro Clisante, one of the biggest investments in Sosua in many years is taking place on that very street just a little further east. The old La Esplanada hotel, one of the largest hotels in Sosua, has been purchased and is being completely renovated. Negotiations have been ongoing for several months and the deal was finally closed in the end of August. The new owners have some great plans for this property and are moving forward quickly. A January opening is anticipated.

With deference to the new investors, whom I've gotten to know very well over the past year, I haven't posted anything about the then anticipated project. However, the beginning of construction was mentioned in another thread and from this point on will be progressing rapidly. It will soon be attracting quite a bit of attention here in Sosua.

The new owners are no strangers to Sosua and their other investments here are very successful. They have some very interesting plans for this new project and they certainly don't adhere to the de facto business model of Pedro Clisante. Based on these plans and their willingness to market to a new demographic they are insuring that their success will continue".

[SavePros321]

Someone sent me this today:

"The new owners are no strangers to Sosua and their other investments here are very successful. They have some very interesting plans for this new project and they certainly don't adhere to the de facto business model of Pedro Clisante. Based on these plans and their willingness to market to a new demographic they are insuring that their success will continue".Thanks for the update bro. The Sosua forum has been noticeably quite the last couple of weeks as well. Will be interesting to see what others report back once high season kicks in.

Interestingly though, I am betting there a a LOT of hungry chicas currently (hungry in that they are looking for a chance to make some pesos). All of the enterprising guys who know how to navigate outside of Sousa are probably cleaning up!

[Manizales911]

Someone sent me this today:

"Things have been quiet in Sosua for the last two weeks but there are some more changes coming.

The "usual suspects" I. E, bar and restaurant owners on or near Pedro Clisante, are in various stages of adjustment and acceptance of what has transpired since early June on their beloved street and center of town. The alphabet soup of associations supposedly representing them have been meeting weekly and writing letters to everybody but Santa Claus crying about the injustice. Their much anticipated "protest" failed miserably and yet they continue to make exaggerated claims about unemployment and business closings.

Some owners are making accommodating changes and converting their "bars" to "restaurants". Chez Monreal should be completing their renovation over the weekend and are reopening next week. Rumba is progressing with the renovation and expansion of their kitchen, the return of Rick as manager and the anticipation of re-branding as a restaurant.

Several business owners have expressed new found hope since the replacement of Francisco Dominguez Brito by Jean Alain Rodriguez as Procurador. Rumors of the closing times returning to later hours and the return of certain deported business owners are being propagated. Perhaps these will come to pass but this seems to be a group grasping at straws. Even if there is a return to the later operating hours, it is becoming apparent that this group represents a very small minority of Sosua's population, thus a few are making "changes", some very reluctantly, in their own businesses.

However there is one refreshing change on the horizon for Sosua that is actually happening right now and is not based on rumor or speculation and hopefully represents the future of investment here.

While much of the attention lately has been focused on a small 100 meter section of Pedro Clisante, one of the biggest investments in Sosua in many years is taking place on that very street just a little further east. The old La Esplanada hotel, one of the largest hotels in Sosua, has been purchased and is being completely renovated. Negotiations have been ongoing for several months and the deal was finally closed in the end of August. The new owners have some great plans for this property and are moving forward quickly. A January opening is anticipated.

With deference to the new investors, whom I've gotten to know very well over the past year, I haven't posted anything about the then anticipated project. However, the beginning of construction was mentioned in another thread and from this point on will be progressing rapidly. It will soon be attracting quite a bit of attention here in Sosua.

The new owners are no strangers to Sosua and their other investments here are very successful. They have some very interesting plans for this new project and they certainly don't adhere to the de facto business model of Pedro Clisante. Based on these plans and their willingness to market to a new demographic they are insuring that their success will continue".The La Esplanada project was shut down already by some government official supposedly for not having proper permits, read not greasing enough palms. I drove by there yesterday and things are at a complete standstill from what I could see. The people doing this project supposedly have zero experience in the hotel business and in my opinion it shows, La Esplanada is not on the water, how many all inclusive hotels in the DR are not on the water? I welcome the project for many reasons but that is a really strange place to inject the kind of capital needed to renovate a 250 room hotel. They say it is going to be a high end AI with emphasis on sports and wellness, we'll see.

[SavePros321]

I thought this was a very good comparison by the OG DR Vet himself:

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Hello Sir Charles.

Hope you are well. I have to respectfully disagree about Puerto Plata being all that. I've spent quality time in both the north and south coasts (just got back to the states last night) and the south coast (SD, BC, San Pedro etc) has many more options as far as women, adventures, excursions and big city type of amenities (SD has movies, parks, subway, malls etc) vs the north coast where the options are very limited.

The north coast may be more gringo friendly but IMO that's not a plus because it makes you lazy and you get into a comfort zone. Being forced to learn Spanish and the culture offer a more rewarding experience. Gringo crime is higher on the north coast vs the south coast.

I have a home in Costambar that I hate to go to. It's boring there and you will need a car to stay there.

Here's my main beef about the north coast vs the south coast; Most people on the north coast are nosy and gossiping and watching gringo. On the south coast most people have an agenda and I can blend in because I look Dominican. I can arrive in Sosua tomorrow and by tomorrow night word will have gotten to Puerto Plata that I'm there. Motochonchos, girls in salons, girls on the street all send out an SOS that gringo has arrived. It's an efficient network. The south coast people don't care. It's always people on the north coast that do nothing but sit and watch and report. The north coast has become a full time hustle on gringo because of their familiarity with us.

I guess I will now be getting slammed by guys feeling I'm attacking their beloved north coast but guys like it easy and Santo Domingo is to hard. Puerto Plata was nice five years ago before people picked up on the gringo hustle. The girls were sweeter and would invite you to their homes for a meal and to hangout. Several guys from this board can vouch about hanging in the barrio in Puerto Plata and girls putting on their good clothes to come see the gringos. Nowadays you better be careful being a gringo in the barrio in Puerto Plata.

Cristals has some raggedy girls IMO. I've been there about 10 times and never wanted any girl there especially with those inflated prices.

In closing. The south coast is an adventure with unlimited opportunities if you aren't lazy while the north coast is just a gringo hustle with a taste of what was.

[GrownMan1]

Man GoGo has been to the Dr 3 times within the last month and a half. He has his own blog and has yet to post a trip report. Gogo you lazy ass. Where the hell are the trip reports. You have thousands of readers out there who haven't heard about the DC boys being locked down in Punta Cana. About your attempt to break them out of jail. About the Venezuelans you found in Boca Chica. How was the love-making in that department. Not to mention letting the readers be aware of your plans for new destinations. You've been slipping homie. You got people posting the good shit you've written because your ass is too lazy to post it on your own forum. I say we need to ban him off his own forum until he comes correct.

[GrownMan1]

When I met him about 4 months ago he seemed to be a cool cat. In his early fifties acting like he's in his thirties. He had just came to the Dr and was having the time of his life. He wasn't into the beauty queens. Just an average day chica who's willing to go all out and likes to Ride the White Horse. I nicknamed him "up all night". Cool as brother from New Jersey. He said he was in the Union and had recently received a settlement. He told me he was going to ride his situation to the wheels fall off. Workers comp was still paying him. In the states like many of us he had a lot of toys. A couple of condos, some nice cars, motorcycles another enjoyable gadgets. I blazed up with him a few times. He offered me to enter his world on several occasions to Ride the White Horse. I past I do the natural thing only.

He went with me to sosua. It was like a dream come true to him. The availability of young chicas was overwhelming for him. He said they have pretty women in New Jersey but nothing beats the accessibility here. He was on leave- vacation and really enjoying himself. He was taking heart medication which he really didn't like. He woke up and sometimes 9 in the morning hitting the Vodka straight No Chasers. He had been up all night on that horse. The Cialis kept him in Ready set go mode. He had decided he was buying a house in sosua. Had called me to let me know he found a place for about two hundred grand. He normally like them older but and sosua he encounter his first 17 year old. He really despise going the Young route and chastise as his friends who worked that MO. That was until he had his first taste. That young tenderloin was everything with bells and whistles. He drove back to sosua with another new Jack chasing after young chicas. At one time he said he counted 5 in his bed. He said the owner of the property came and kicked all the girls out because they didn't have ID. Oh yes they broke the toilet and stole all the utensils. He gave the owner a extra hundred dollars and continue on his escapade. That was in August. September he was back in the Dr doing his thing again. Enjoying life and everything the DR had to offer him. He left this Earth last week in Boca Chica. His heart stopped and they could not resuscitate. Rest in peace my man Bruce. I'm going to miss you big homie.

[Revere]

Man GoGo has been to the Dr 3 times within the last month and a half. He has his own blog and has yet to post a trip report. Gogo you lazy ass. Where the hell are the trip reports. You have thousands of readers out there who haven't heard about the DC boys being locked down in Punta Cana. About your attempt to break them out of jail. About the Venezuelans you found in Boca Chica. How was the love-making in that department. Not to mention letting the readers be aware of your plans for new destinations. You've been slipping homie. You got people posting the good shit you've written because your ass is too lazy to post it on your own forum. I say we need to ban him off his own forum until he comes correct.I need to here the jail story! That story was deep Gogo that was a great read. You brough it with that. Made you think about your life and how you live it! I am trembling over it.

[Mr Enternational]

When I met him about 4 months ago he seemed to be a cool cat. In his early fifties acting like he's in his thirties. He had just came to the Dr and was having the time of his life.How you meet him 4 months ago when we were all at the Superbowl party in February? That is why you better have fun while you are here. Never know which day will be your last.

[Mr Gogo]

Wasn't going to post about our comrade passing to figure out if it is appropriate for this forum, but now I think it's time.

I met Bruce through GM and he was a part of the Boca Chica crew from Jersey. Bruce was funny because he initially can come off very intimidating because he was a big, mean looking dude who didn't play. But he was a teddy bear once you got to know him. We partied with his crew at the mansion they had by the airport and it seemed it was always a spur of the moment swoop through Andres to get ten chicas to entertain us for the pool parties at the mansion.

Bruce lived hard and fast, like going down a hill with no brakes. He drank hard, ducked hard and spent freely. Sometimes I think he knew his days were numbered and was going out in a bang. He is probably in heaven now laughing at how much fun he had in the DR.

Grownman hit me earlier in the week about Bruce passing at Santo Domingo hospital and I was stunned. We were just on the beach in Boca Chica two weeks ago chilling.

Maybe it's a reminder to all of us that even though the DR is an adult play land we still need to have a governor to keep things flowing smoothly.

My respect goes out to the Boca Chica Crew from Jersey that lost their soldier and to the family in Jersey who lost a loved one.

RIP Bruce.

[OldKool]

Was he about 5 11 about 230 wore hair in dreads. I hung with a guy in Sosua who had recently had by pass surgery and was back on the prowl.


When I met him about 4 months ago he seemed to be a cool cat. In his early fifties acting like he's in his thirties. He had just came to the Dr and was having the time of his life. He wasn't into the beauty queens. Just an average day chica who's willing to go all out and likes to Ride the White Horse. I nicknamed him "up all night". Cool as brother from New Jersey. He said he was in the Union and had recently received a settlement. He told me he was going to ride his situation to the wheels fall off. Workers comp was still paying him. In the states like many of us he had a lot of toys. A couple of condos, some nice cars, motorcycles another enjoyable gadgets. I blazed up with him a few times. He offered me to enter his world on several occasions to Ride the White Horse. I past I do the natural thing only.

He went with me to sosua. It was like a dream come true to him. The availability of young chicas was overwhelming for him. He said they have pretty women in New Jersey but nothing beats the accessibility here. He was on leave- vacation and really enjoying himself. He was taking heart medication which he really didn't like. He woke up and sometimes 9 in the morning hitting the Vodka straight No Chasers. He had been up all night on that horse. The Cialis kept him in Ready set go mode. He had decided he was buying a house in sosua. Had called me to let me know he found a place for about two hundred grand. He normally like them older but and sosua he encounter his first 17 year old. He really despise going the Young route and chastise as his friends who worked that MO. That was until he had his first taste. That young tenderloin was everything with bells and whistles. He drove back to sosua with another new Jack chasing after young chicas. At one time he said he counted 5 in his bed. He said the owner of the property came and kicked all the girls out because they didn't have ID. Oh yes they broke the toilet and stole all the utensils. He gave the owner a extra hundred dollars and continue on his escapade. That was in August. September he was back in the Dr doing his thing again. Enjoying life and everything the DR had to offer him. He left this Earth last week in Boca Chica. His heart stopped and they could not resuscitate. Rest in peace my man Bruce. I'm going to miss you big homie.

[Mr Enternational]

Was he about 5 11 about 230 wore hair in dreads. I hung with a guy in Sosua who had recently had by pass surgery and was back on the prowl.No. Wrong person.

[GrownMan1]

How you meet him 4 months ago when we were all at the Superbowl party in February? That is why you better have fun while you are here. Never know which day will be your last.Mr E he was the big light skinned fellow that came to the Super Bowl party. Bald-headed with glasses.

[Mr Enternational]

Mr E he was the big light skinned fellow that came to the Super Bowl party. Bald-headed with glasses.I know that. But you said you met him 4 months ago. Superbowl party was almost 8 months ago. Time is flying. In GBP right now. Might head to Boca Chica later on. Unless I can find the spot where Gogo met the Amazon. So much traffic out right now.

[GrownMan1]

So I brought my young wolf pack with me to the Dr in March. These young boys waited until September to return. Well 2 of them snuck in on different occasions with me. Never the less we were calling this trip September to remember and spoken in code close to departure. (had to avoid the haters). I decided I was not going to come in on the same day they book. That's too much coordinating for those young cats. I came in Boca Chica a day early to get up with my man Brother J. The last time they all came together they missed their flight. I told him I don't need to hold hands because they know what's up if they're not on time. They kept asking me to make sure I'm at the airport to pick them up at 1:30. Naw youngbloods it don't work like that. I will not be waiting on the outside of a hot-ass Airport for you to come off the plane. Been there done that got stiffed on both ends. Boca Chica is 15 minutes from the airport. When you call me and tell me you have arrived I will come and get you. Is better for you to wait 15 minutes for me to come and get you then for me to wait 3 hours with pussy in my room waiting for why'all to get off the plane. Problems with Customs, delay on planes, couldn't find his bags, I've heard it all before. Just call me when you get here. Everything went good without a hitch. They arrived in Atlanta on time from Jacksonville with an hour before connecting flights. They got hungry and stopped at TGIF. All 5 of them ordered did not pay attention and missed connecting their flight. They called and told me about it and all I could say was that's why I came in early. I have been Gogo battle-tested.

[Mr Gogo]

That's some funny shit dude. Them jokers were hungry LOL. Can you imagine walking to the gate rubbing your big, full belly with a toothpick in your mouth and the plane is backing out LOL.

[GrownMan1]

Well the Wolfpack made it to the DR last week. The plan was to give one day to Boca Chica and two possibly three days the Sue. I wanted Boca because the new Jack needed one warm up day there before we push them to the North Coast. However do to them missing their flights, I pick them up from the airport and we headed straight to the Sue. We got to the Sue on Friday a few of us went to Casa Angela. The rest went to Europa. I had my firestick so I definitely need it an up-to-date television with good Wi-Fi. Casa Angela Furniture needs updating and some of those rooms especially the last one up top on the right side AC sucks. The next day I saw it was my man Mr E posted up in the room complaining about the AC. Mr. E how did you let her trick you in that room.

The Newbie we were with went and made his first hit. Young man about 24 years old 6 foot 2 inches 205 pounds. We gave him the game plan and unlike the last group he listened. He listen and ask questions. He picked a nice Blanca chica with a real fat ass. He came out bragging how she let him climb all up in her. He started giving me high-fives and said never in his life would have imagined hidden her. She enjoyed him stayed and gave him around 2. His next hit was just as good. It wasn't until his last time at the plate he picked one out of the Casino. And she showed him how lucky he was with the first two and how quick he should nut when dealing with her. He said after three Strokes leche Papi leche.

In Boca Chica it was all his fault. He picked the chica who was a strong Pro. She was showing everyone her pussy on the street. Definitely a hell no for me. Somehow he ended up with her. He called me on my phone. I came to his room and she was laying in the bed but naked. He said he doesn't like her and tried to give her 500 pesos. He didn't tell me they had already started their session and he just couldn't get his dick hard. Did she could explain to me that he had been drinking too much and it's not her problem he can't get hard. I agreed with her she wanted her 1500. She said they started but then he stopped. She went to explain it to me the size of his dick and she's doing her job. Did she went to unloose and his pants just show me his dick. I'm like Mommy come the fuck down. I don't want to see his dick. I'll talk to the homie for a little bit and told him that she ready. You can't chump. Either give other 1500 and beat that pussy up. Or give her the 1500 and watch me beat the pussy up. He laughed and said he got it. I left them.

Overall the ride was good this time. No problems on the North Coast of the south coast. I was really saving my energy because GoGo and I we're supposed to go to Cuba on Thursday. GoGo send me his itinerary however somehow between me smoking and making my reservation I booked for Wednesday. Well damn I was thinking I would have to stay in Holguin for a day solo until he arrives the next day major slip up on my part. I forgot my conscious Capricorn Road Dogg ways for a second. I should have known his scared ass would change his mind about going to Cuba just because the hurricane was going that way. After talking to Mr E I seen GoGo had already made up his mind. I thought we were going to play it by ear. Gogo your over cautious consciousness I have learned to respect. Sometimes I will go all out and you will rightfully check me. I check my itinerary an American Airline head move my date from Wednesday to Thursday the same flight mr. G was on. Mr. G has changed his dates and was making sure I did the same. I had Cuba so much on my mind I couldn't think. I should just go without him I have to get Santiago under my skin. Even mr. G encourage me to go check it out if I really feel like it. Naw you won't be saying I told you so grown man to me.

Mr. G was on his way 2 the Boca on Thursday. I was leaving on Tuesday. It was raining on Monday night and the vibe was terrible in Boca Chica. Coming back from the North Coast the guy's just wanted to go home. Besides eating at our favorite restaurant a bad day in Boca Chica makes you want to go home after coming from the Sue. The rain was coming down from Matthew it wasn't letting up so we were happy to leave. I started to stay and wait for mr. G butt the rain and the disappointing taste for Cuba made me head home. I don't know why I was not thinking. I live in Southeast Georgia right on the Atlanta. I came home one day didn't even go to work the next day they're yelling evacuate. I talked to mr. G and Boca Chica is sunny and booming. Here it is Saturday and I hadn't been to work because of Matthew. There's no power in my area for the next 72 hours. And though I am safely in Atlanta smoking on some good. I knew I should have just stayed in DR. American Airline refunded my ticket upon request. That could have been my Dominican play money for the next 5 days. I don't like Matthew.

[Mr Gogo]

Heads-up. Southwest Airlines just posted 59 usd fares to Cuba on their websites.

[GrownMan1]

"Also the whole Venezolanas (most of them mediocre) charging more thing annoys me. They are refugees to the DR -- since when do refugees get to earn more than locals? I've been to Colombia twice within the last 12 months and paid the Venezolanas same as the Colombianas". My ninja.

[Mr Gogo]

"Also the whole Venezolanas (most of them mediocre) charging more thing annoys me. They are refugees to the DR -- since when do refugees get to earn more than locals? I've been to Colombia twice within the last 12 months and paid the Venezolanas same as the Colombianas". My ninja.It depends on if the Venezuelans (Refugees) are an upgrade over the locals. No women on this earth are an upgrade over the Colombians. Even being exotic doesn't apply in Colombia. Guatemala with its assortment of ugly women would have to accept any refugees as being an upgrade and you would pay more. I think each situation is different and no standard rule applies.

[Parkinsons]

It depends on if the Venezuelans (Refugees) are an upgrade over the locals. No women on this earth are an upgrade over the Colombians. Even being exotic doesn't apply in Colombia. Guatemala with its assortment of ugly women would have to accept any refugees as being an upgrade and you would pay more. I think each situation is different and no standard rule applies.LOL about the Guatemalans. You're right, it still depends on the individual woman. My problem was just that most of the Venezuelans I saw in the DR were no better than the local Dominicans and yet just for their nationality alone they wanted more.

Picture below is a morena Venezolana I had in Bogota. I would gladly pay more for her (or maybe not, don't want to fuck up the game haha). But I only said that after having spent time with her and knowing how she treated me. If she just walked up and said "I want local plus extra money" then I'd say get lost.

Also when I said "refugees" it wasn't done in a disparaging way. Just that when a group of people with little or no skills, fleeing turmoil and starvation in their country, to look for work in a country that has no labor shortage of (is the DR lacking in women selling pussy?) then they're refugees or economic migrant or whatever you call it. Frannie, I don't think your analogy is correct because Indian doctors and software engineers are highly educated and the US can't get enough of medical and IT professionals. Their country (India) is very stable as well.

[Mr Gogo]

This post was so good I had to re-post it here:

You want to know something? Just about everything you described resembles what many of us men have dealt with in the Matrix. I'm talking about relationships, marriages and friends with benefits. Men have had relationships and married women from their respective countries that were " just interested in you for what they can get from you to meet their needs." And guess what as well? Those same women were "often capable of being very sexually responsive to men in whom they have no particular emotional interest, which is what you want".

Those parts that you wrote are even true for men in the matrix, Having relationships, getting married, having children, buying property, living together for years and years until all of a sudden you find out that individual really never cared for you the way you thought. The women gave us what we wanted. Sexual responsiveness, without any particular emotional interest invested.

I'm glad you brought this up, and I appreciate your analogy / example. IMO, I have always thought the definition of Pro and semi pro should be defined to include an individual who is selling a commodity (in this case, sexual favors, and their company) in exchange for resources and financial gain. Instead of pro and semi pro seeming to mean, only the frequency of sex in relation to the amount of clients one has.

The key is, the pro part kicks in to identify the level of skill involved in pulling off the deception that one is interested in another on a personal, getting to know you level. When nothing could be further from the truth. Its a professional charade. With more emotion being given to the female by a male that starts to feel compassion for the female based on her passive feminine behavior and circumstance. Its deep.

My thoughts on the matter, is that men should try to strive to distance themselves from every form of behavior they can they manifested in the Matrix, and not try to create a new Matrix but now in a foreign country. In other words, they are all pros on some level. Expert or semi expert on making the right impression to get a guy to open himself up, and give. And like they are accustomed, receive less in return for their efforts. How convenient it is to do when you are dealing with folks poorer than you.

Thing is, the people we are dealing with ain't stupid. They know the position they are in puts them in a power passive position. In enough cases, they don't even have to ask for anything. They'll get it just by revealing their life to us.

Oh she's a good girl. She's going to school. She's got a job, blah blah blah. Meanwhile, you know anybody in any of the Matrixs we are involved in that know women that would go out of their way to give us any substantive and commensurate return on our investment in them? Usually that's a hell NAW. Of course there are exceptions.

My thing is, guys travel abroad to be free of one Matrix only to end up creating another for themselves. I think it's best to stick to simple pay for play. Rent and pay only for the services you want. And don't try to wife it, possess it, or buy it. Keep your emotions in check. How many of us, can feel that bleeding heart kick in where you have a strong urge to go above and beyond for a woman? You ain't even doing it for her, you are doing for yourself because it makes you feel good. But is feeling good justification for giving to someone who has not earned the offering? Often there is some backlash from giving indiscriminately.

But later when don't get the satisfaction we had hoped, we complain about them being unappreciative, but not our weakness for giving undeservingly. I'm thinking about guys who have rented property for women so they could open a salon, bought cars, secured apartments and houses, bought furniture, bought gifts and all kinds of stuff. Spending money, investing in time, traveling all over the place, to find something better. It ain't necessarily about trying to get better pussy. Its like finding ourselves doing stuff to sort of makeup for or compensate for our disappointment or disgust with women back home. Like that movie Total Recall, maybe we need the correct program installed, so that we plan our lives and trips for our sole benefit, and leave the destructive matrix behavior out of it. Ya know, if we didn't have a sex drive, can you imagine how much different a man would be with his time and money? Or how about managing the sex drive, like a chess match. Only allowing the opponent to win sometimes, not all the time.

I probably have more to add, but got to hit the road.

[Mr Gogo]

Original post by AZ:

You need friends in this country and real respectable Dominicans will respect you if you operate within the norms of society rules. Yes, all men here have a fling or 2 on the side but we do it discreetly and within norms of relative decency. This is very different from walking Sosua street with a Haitian cheap hooker and showing her off. Most of the mongers are plain misfits to just extremely weird. They have zero social skills and apart from drinking alcohol in shorts / flipflops and hand in hand with ugly putas, they engage little in other activities. No decent Dominican will be caught staying at Sosua or Boca chica. Police look at you as scum as well.

We, in bigger cities, never admit to anyone that we have spent a weekend in Sosua or Boca Chica. Just too embarrassed to even mention it. I have not been to Sosua in many years and apart from the beach I have little interest in visiting this puta town.

In my line of work I have to watch my steps but it's quite easy for me as I do not like mongering scene or drink heavily. Everyone is watched in this country by the locals and if you want their respect, you have to act within the norms of the society.

Now I have friends who have things in common with me. My lawyers friends, dentists, doctors and business men friends all have same in common as I do. We all act like family people and we don't go mongering in local puta joints. We actually have real jobs and live real purposeful lives. We get together in BBQ and dinners and talk and laugh with our families and kids. What is so wrong with this picture? Hahaha I am part of this lifestyle now as I have become a dad and I have zero desire to be in tourist resorts. So tell me, how will I ever get into trouble? I don't even think about being in trouble. Even when I am in a situation, the police always takes my side as they know who I am. Police in this country is really not that stupid. They know who is who. For me to get into real trouble, I would have to be dealing with drugs or messing with minors or kill someone in auto accident while drunk. I don't think these are my concerns.

I guess you have to be living in cities away from puta towns to understand what I am saying. I have been living and working among Dominicans in DR since 1998 (full time). I see people from all walks of life, from the president's family to sugarcane cutter. I know what I have been seeing here so no one can give me a lecture. I have zero problems here and I cannot get into any problems with any police if I am not guilty of the crime. This is my guarantee. Case closed.

[Wrx2005]

Original post by AZ:

You need friends in this country and real respectable Dominicans will respect you if you operate within the norms of society rules. Yes, all men here have a fling or 2 on the side but we do it discreetly and within norms of relative decency. This is very different from walking Sosua street with a Haitian cheap hooker and showing her off. Most of the mongers are plain misfits to just extremely weird. They have zero social skills and apart from drinking alcohol in shorts / flipflops and hand in hand with ugly putas, they engage little in other activities. No decent Dominican will be caught staying at Sosua or Boca chica. Police look at you as scum as well.Responding to AZ's post. I do not see anything wrong with having friends in the DR. But here's a valid question. Explain why you NEED friends in this country? Whats so fucked up about this country that you need friends, as opposed to let's say the US, Canada or the UK?

Next Question. What exactly is a real respectable Dominican, and what does their respect consist of? For the most part, most foreigners that visit or live in the DR, including Sosua or Boca Chica operate within the norms of societies rules. So I do not see why anybody would have a problem in general. Next question. When did garnering respect from so-called real respectable Dominicans become a monger or an expats priority? And when did mongers and expats start not getting respect, and how is it manifested?

Once I read the line about most of the mongers are misfits to extremely weird, have zero social skills, engage little in other activities etc etc. I have to laugh at the extreme bias in that statement. 1st off many if not most mongers that come to the DR, they are on vacation. WTF do they need to be doing other than enjoying their time off from where they come from? And as far as expats are concerned, many work in the DR but online. Some have a side hustle of some sort. And others are completely severed from employment, and living out their time not having any concern of having to do anything special to prove to anybody they are enjoying or living productive lives.

Ever since I 1st start coming to the DR, I was never concerned about appearances and getting respect. I found my contribution financially and socially was more than enough to get a favorable and commensurate return for my investment. I found that paying for services rendered, being respectful of others in business or socially is what got me by without a lot of problems.

In addition, one of the benefits of living in the DR, especially a tourist area, is not having to impress anybody with dressing a certain way, or driving a certain car. In other words one does not have to impress anybody. So if certain individuals don't have any respect for my choice in life, or some guy still working has a problem with my choice in lifestyle or residence, that is entirely their problem. We all only think in one head.


We, in bigger cities, never admit to anyone that we have spent a weekend in Sosua or Boca Chica. Just too embarrassed to even mention it. I have not been to Sosua in many years and apart from the beach I have little interest in visiting this puta town.Well, that is a personal issue and hang up. We all do not think in each others head. Which also means, the writer can't really speak for every individual that is from a bigger city. Obviously if those that keep coming to these places do it time and time again, as well as those that take up residence in these places, being embarrassed must not be an issue.


In my line of work I have to watch my steps but it's quite easy for me as I do not like mongering scene or drink heavily. Everyone is watched in this country by the locals and if you want their respect, you have to act within the norms of the society.This is where one's outlook on these places is not necessarily someone elses reality. For one, many men / mongers love the mongering scene. They have no issue with it. In addition, many mongers do not work in the DR, and many do not work at all. So they may not even have any concerns of maintaining a facade with anybody in the DR.


Now I have friends who have things in common with me. My lawyers friends, dentists, doctors and business men friends all have same in common as I do. We all act like family people and we don't go mongering in local puta joints. We actually have real jobs and live real purposeful lives. We get together in BBQ and dinners and talk and laugh with our families and kids. What is so wrong with this picture? Hahaha I am part of this lifestyle now as I have become a dad and I have zero desire to be in tourist resorts. So tell me, how will I ever get into trouble? I don't even think about being in trouble. Even when I am in a situation, the police always takes my side as they know who I am. Police in this country is really not that stupid. They know who is who. For me to get into real trouble, I would have to be dealing with drugs or messing with minors or kill someone in auto accident while drunk. I don't think these are my concerns.So what is the point? Is he implying people hanging or residing in a tourist area are more likely to have trouble with the police? From what I read, I do not see his experience being much different than those in a tourist area dealing with the police. It would be interesting to see how different his experience with the police would be if they knew he thought they were stupid, but not that stupid. LOL. BTW do the police count as real respectable Dominicans?


I guess you have to be living in cities away from puta towns to understand what I am saying. I have been living and working among Dominicans in DR since 1998 (full time). I see people from all walks of life, from the president's family to sugarcane cutter. I know what I have been seeing here so no one can give me a lecture. I have zero problems here and I cannot get into any problems with any police if I am not guilty of the crime. This is my guarantee. Case closed.Once again what is his point? What does his experience or perspective have to do with anyone who goes to or resides in Sosua or Boca Chica?

Like I said earlier, enough mongers or expats do not work in the DR, and usually won't have a need or interest in interacting with Dominicans like what he is describing. Friends and family, and acting like family come from those relationships established where they originated. Which may not necessarily come from the DR. Any other associations that become necessary ( to overcome a situation or problem ) can be worked out just like for anybody or anywhere else.

Once again we see people who try to compartmentalize what life and time in the DR is supposed to represent to others.

[Mr Enternational]

What was the guy's purpose for comparing the 2 different lifestyles? Then he assumes that everyone should want the type of lifestyle that he lives. That was stupid.

[XXL]

... Ya know, if we didn't have a sex drive, can you imagine how much different a man would be with his time and money? ....How true that is! How often have I reached the same conclusion! Not having a sex drive (or being able to keep it in check), being a 100% MGTOW, seeing the world instead of staying in the same place to chase one girl after another. I only married once and got off alimony within five years but all the same, I must have spent 60-70% of my money on getting some kind of pussy at home and abroad.

[Mr Enternational]

I must have spent 60-70% of my money on getting some kind of pussy at home and abroad.Life ain't nothing but biches and money. If we were not trying to get women not one more bottle of cologne would be sold. Luxury cars? A thing of the past. Houses? We would live in cardboard boxes. And Gillette could kiss that razor business goodbye. What man would ever shave again? Everything we do in life it is to get chicks. And the shit that chicks do is to attract men.

[Wrx2005]

Life ain't nothing but biches and money. If we were not trying to get women not one more bottle of cologne would be sold. Luxury cars? A thing of the past. Houses? We would live in cardboard boxes. And Gillette could kiss that razor business goodbye. What man would ever shave again? Everything we do in life it is to get chicks. And the shit that chicks do is to attract men.When I compare my perspective during the growing years living in the US with how my perspective has evolved from visiting and now living here in the DR, the differences in ALL of the things I used to do to attract women with what I do NOT do now, is miles apart. I save a lot of money, time , and mental drainage from old useless behavior.

I would even venture to say that many males are conditioned in the US to ass kiss women, put them on undeserved pedestals, chivalry simping, making unnecessary sacrifices for individuals that end up taking dudes down. I'm glad I never got married or burned the way I saw a lot of men, that made sacrifices for all the wrong reasons.

[SubCmdr]

I would even venture to say that many males are conditioned in the US to ass kiss women, put them on undeserved pedestals, chivalry simping, making unnecessary sacrifices for individuals that end up taking dudes down.Exactly where does this "conditioning" come from? Are the individuals involved in those sorts of activities doing something wrong? And furthermore, does it really matter if men in the US are conditioned for those activities?

Everybody makes lifestyle choices. I'm not in the position to judge someone else's choices. While flying in first class from Atlanta to Santo Domingo, I witnessed a non Dominican male, with a smoking hot Dominican woman, they had a young child (female) with them. The woman was taking care of the child. The man was doting on the child and her. First class only has two seats in each row so the woman and child sat in on one side of the plane and the man sat next to me. He was speaking Spanish to both woman and child. On the face of it that scene appeared to contain many of the elements that are in your statement. I wasn't in his brain or heart nor did I talk to him. But by all appearances (from a lifetime of observation of social behavior) the man appeared to be quite happy. When the plane was wheels down I was happy too (although for a entirely different set of reasons).

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. " Declaration of Independence, United States of America. It appeared to me, that even while engaging several of the activities you identified, this particular man was in "the pursuit of Happiness". And although it's not my particular pursuit, I personally saw nothing wrong with it. To borrow an analogy you have used extensively in this forum, not every mind can be freed from the Matrix. LOL!

[Wrx2005]

Exactly where does this "conditioning" come from? Are the individuals involved in those sorts of activities doing something wrong? And furthermore, does it really matter if men in the US are conditioned for those activities?

Everybody makes lifestyle choices. I'm not in the position to judge someone else's choices. On the face of it that scene appeared to contain many of the elements that are in your statement. I wasn't in his brain or heart nor did I talk to him. But by all appearances (from a lifetime of observation of social behavior) the man appeared to be quite happy.

It appeared to me, that even while engaging several of the activities you identified, this particular man was in "the pursuit of Happiness". And although it's not my particular pursuit, I personally saw nothing wrong with it. To borrow an analogy you have used extensively in this forum, not every mind can be freed from the Matrix. LOL!1st let me get to some basics. There can be two types of major choices one can make, that can have impact on ones behavior within society / and or ones environment. Conscious choices and subconscious choices. People assimilate information, imprinting programming, consciously, subconsciously and that can work concurrently.

People are creatures of learned behavior, especially from watching other people. People are creatures that receive programming from subliminal sources. They are taught within their culture how to behave. Within culture and society, there are are traditions passed down from generation to generation. And finally, there are laws created to manage peoples behavior.

Now when it comes to how males and females are conditioned to behave, each gender often gets a separate form of training, imprinting or subliminal messages. There is societal, cultural and legal systems in place to cultivate and manage their individual behaviors.

When it comes to males lets say in the US societal and culture, as well as some of the laws and traditions that are in place, unless one is still sucking on blue pills it should quite apparent by now, that the male gender has been under attack by forces designed to emasculate and strip men of their power,leadership and influence (or potential) within society, in general, and specifically within the family structure when it comes to relating to women and children.

Men have followed many traditions and societal customs, not because it was right, but because it was what they were conditioned to do. Taught to do. Felt it was their duty. Felt what they needed to do, in order to fit in and not be ostracized. Many things that men may do have men making sacrifices for people, risking their own life. Whereas the recipients of their sacrifices may not and would not do the same for them. And in enough instances do not appreciate those sacrifices.

Look at how imbalanced laws have been towards men in areas that are important. Child Support, Domestic Disputes, Divorce Settlements, Separation Agreements, Common Law marriages / arrangements. For quite a few decades, which gender has been the reigning champions in these areas? How did men put themselves in the position of creating laws to work against themselves and other men?

Then you had societal traditions devaluing men and elevating women. Social and human resource plans designed to support women, and ignore men's needs. Women's cancer research and care, meanwhile thousands of men are dying of prostate and colon cancer and don't have the same attention as for women. We've heard that the life expectancy of men is shorter than women, but what has been done to change that on behalf of men?

In this society you have all kinds of privileges and entitlements for women. A woman can make a false allegation against a man, and that mans life can be ruined. Meanwhile the woman gets barely a verbal reprimand. You got men like former Judge Joe Brown, talking about Protecting Womanhood and Preserving Manhood. But all he is really saying is, preserving manhood is so a man can protect womanhood. There is no preservation of manhood. It's a facade.

Do women need protection from men. Why can't they provide their own protection? Maybe it's because women are causing a lot of damage in society, which goes unchecked. And somehow men have been conditioned to believe it's their duty to protect women from themselves. They are in essence exempt from personal responsibility, And it's a mans job to right any wrongs created by men and WOMEN. That's a helluva responsibility.

A mans role in US society is more about being that of a nest slave, a mule and garden tool. All for the purpose of meeting the needs of women and the womens children. They arent even his children anymore. He's been reduced to being just a sperm donor. And these are the choices you are expected to choose from in order to be considered a man, to be accepted or to get by?

I grew up seeing women have entitlements and privileges, like reduced prices for goods and services, ladies get in free, ladies day at the car wash. Extra attention towards women on mothers Day. Giving up your seat to women, just because she is a female (not infirm, old or pregnant). Lowering job requirement standards so that women could join. Lowering physical requirements for occupations requiring applicants to be able to carry weight most women would not carry.

The total dummying down of men in media and uplifting the image of women being smarter and more intelligent at the expense of men. Granted a lot of programming when I was a kid depicted men as violent and demeaning towards females. But, when that was absent, it was natural to see a man being a leader and taking charge. It was good for young males and females to see an image of strength and confidence in a man.

Something to aspire to. So no, I do not advocate violence and subjugation of women. But I do see the value of a society cultivating good role models for young male youth to emulate, and females to respect and work with in harmony. Instead of seeing men as enemies. Something they have to tolerate.

In the past decade, the media money makers pushed for promoting the thug image, and sports as the image youth can aspire to. In the beginning, clean rap had it's day, then the hard core shit took it's place. Anybody trying to bring clean, harmless rap back to the top, found themselves with no one to promote or produce those efforts. Decadence. Destruction and so called keeping it real was popular now.

When I was young, I had the task of figuring out who my media hero's were. Was it my man SHAFT part time indifference to women private dick, or was it hard working family man Paul Winfield in the movie Sounder? My overall point, since I am truly all over the place, is that the devaluing of males / men in US society (and others) has a lot to do with why men elevate women, and devalue themselves.

I know for a fact, that my presence in the DR is no accident. P4 P or not, a man can have a little more control and potential for leadership in his dealings with women and children than in the US. But better still, any man choosing to remain single, not getting caught up in any legal or societal system, he is freer than most men back in the US. I found that men living in the DR and getting too close to women and having children, can be fucked by the system just as much as in the US.

There aint no secret of why men from the states tell me they would not ever bother with women back home, never get married, or have children. Enough of these men found out through marriage and havjng children just where they stand in American society. Some married men had wives that a child by another man, and that husband was forced to pay CS for a child he did not father biologically. Thats not cause enough to pay attention to how men are treated?

I have never been married, and never been to court for CS. But still I watched and observed what has been happening and is happening to men in the states, and I want no parts of that. Here in the DR, I am rehabbing from a lifetime of bad programming, imprinting and subliminal programming. I'm much more aware now. But the beauty of having women in existence, is that what they bring (good and bad) see an be used as opportunities for a man's growth and reinforcement of preserving what is important to him.

Hopefully I explained the conditions part? As for whether certain behaviors are right or wrong, I do not subscribe to that measurement. I think it's more about what is essential from what is non essential. If one were to ask me do I think kissing a womans ass just to get her to accept me, was necessary, I'd say hell no. If I was asked is it necessary to sacrifice my life for someone that wouldn't do the same for me, I'd say again. Hell no. Am I going consciously be a part of giving women privileges and entitlements indiscriminately just because they are female, again hell no.

You mentioned something about people being created equal? Well if that is the case, I want to get as close to that model as possible. Make commensurate adjustments as needed, but bear in mind that my needs, motivations, value, interests, life, does not come secondary because of my gender. Now as far as does it really matter etc? Well why shouldn't it matter? Yes we live in a society of choices. If a man chooses not to be devalued, not to be nothing more than a nest slave, or a mule and tool to be used until death, he has that choice.

For those who see nothing wrong, that is their choice as well. Since we can't change society as individuals, we can only change our individual participation and presence. But I will say this, often some men only need a word of advisement and coat pulling in order recognize themselves in a system or culture that doesn't give a fuck about them. And from that choose to extricate themselves from behavior they were conditioned to believe was normal, good and necessary in order to be accepted and in accord.

[Wrx2005]

Support and re enforce men's existence and leadership within the family structure. Give men affordable or free legal representation for securing custody and visitation. Women typically don't need to pay for a lawyer to fight for child support or a domestic dispute. Why should men have to pay lawyers and court fees just to stay connected to their children? Courts stop being so quick to hand over custody to women.

Force more accountability on the part of women when they file false claims on men. When they use physical violence or assault on men. Leniency or exoneration towards men that defend themselves from physical threats and assaults from women. In other words, if a woman attacks a man in such a way where he might be seriously harmed, he defends himself. Or if he returns an unprovoked slap from a woman, but she gets the worst of it.

Men who have worked out support arrangements outside of court with their children's mother should be allowed to choose that option, and support according to the childs needs, not no chart telling him what he is supposed to pay, and then garnished from his wages. For instance,. Having to pay 600 a month for an infant whose monthly expenses may not be anywhere near that amount. In addition the courts should be encouraging men to participate in actively being involved with their childrens development in person, rather than only enforcing payments being garnished.

In addition, garnished or not, make women show accountability for the money they receive that is supposed to be for the child. No more of this punishment payments. And if a man lost his job, or hit hard times, that as long as that child has survived because the mother stepped up, there will be no such thing as arrears needing to be caught up. The child didn't die, didn't suffer. So what's the need for paying arrears? The other parent stepped up while the other had a set back.

Reduce or eliminate all NON essential forms of media containing material that makes men look like they are stupid and incompetent, and making women look like they have to wear the pants in the relationship and society.

Women that divorce, do not get half of everything. They especially do not get half of a mans pension. Man is no longer with the woman, why should be forced to give up his pension to someone he is no longer involved with? Limited alimony. None of that crap about it only stops if she re marries.

Promote in society more masculinity in males / men and femininity in females / women more than promoting homosexuality / lesbianism.

Stop locking up individuals who have valid reasons for not being able to pay child support. Do not take someones license away, driver or occupational if doing so interferes with their ability to support themselves and their children.

No more men having to be forced out of his own home because he has a dispute with a woman he isn't married to, who is living in his home but not paying the rent or mortgage. He should be free to ask her to leave anytime he chooses.

Stop encouraging men from supporting and fighting women's battles because of the choices those women made.

When describing bad behavior, use the same filthy language for women, that is used on men to describe men's bad behavior. For instance in American society, men and women alike can easily call a man a scumbag, piece of shit or some other derogatory name. But when it comes to women, there is a double standard. Women are treated differently.

In fact, a good portion of the failures of women are usually attributed to just them making bad choices (they only chose the wrong man). Their bad behavior and character. Is seldom harshly criticized equally to men. If a man can be called with out hesitation, a piece of shit for his fucked up behavior / character, why can't a woman for hers?

[Frannie]

Support and re enforce men's existence and leadership within the family structure. Give men affordable or free legal representation for securing custody and visitation. Women typically don't need to pay for a lawyer to fight for child support or a domestic dispute. Why should men have to pay lawyers and court fees just to stay connected to their children? Courts stop being so quick to hand over custody to women.

Force more accountability on the part of women when they file false claims on men. When they use physical violence or assault on men. Leniency or exoneration towards men that defend themselves from physical threats and assaults from women. In other words, if a woman attacks a man in such a way where he might be seriously harmed, he defends himself. Or if he returns an unprovoked slap from a woman, but she gets the worst of it.

Men who have worked out support arrangements outside of court with their children's mother should be allowed to choose that option, and support according to the childs needs, not no chart telling him what he is supposed to pay, and then garnished from his wages. For instance,. Having to pay 600 a month for an infant whose monthly expenses may not be anywhere near that amount. In addition the courts should be encouraging men to participate in actively being involved with their childrens development in person, rather than only enforcing payments being garnished.

In addition, garnished or not, make women show accountability for the money they receive that is supposed to be for the child. No more of this punishment payments. And if a man lost his job, or hit hard times, that as long as that child has survived because the mother stepped up, there will be no such thing as arrears needing to be caught up. The child didn't die, didn't suffer. So what's the need for paying arrears? The other parent stepped up while the other had a set back.

Reduce or eliminate all NON essential forms of media containing material that makes men look like they are stupid and incompetent, and making women look like they have to wear the pants in the relationship and society.

Women that divorce, do not get half of everything. They especially do not get half of a mans pension. Man is no longer with the woman, why should be forced to give up his pension to someone he is no longer involved with? Limited alimony. None of that crap about it only stops if she re marries.

Promote in society more masculinity in males / men and femininity in females / women more than promoting homosexuality / lesbianism.

Stop locking up individuals who have valid reasons for not being able to pay child support. Do not take someones license away, driver or occupational if doing so interferes with their ability to support themselves and their children.

No more men having to be forced out of his own home because he has a dispute with a woman he isn't married to, who is living in his home but not paying the rent or mortgage. He should be free to ask her to leave anytime he chooses.

Stop encouraging men from supporting and fighting women's battles because of the choices those women made.

When describing bad behavior, use the same filthy language for women, that is used on men to describe men's bad behavior. For instance in American society, men and women alike can easily call a man a scumbag, piece of shit or some other derogatory name. But when it comes to women, there is a double standard. Women are treated differently.

In fact, a good portion of the failures of women are usually attributed to just them making bad choices (they only chose the wrong man). Their bad behavior and character. Is seldom harshly criticized equally to men. If a man can be called with out hesitation, a piece of shit for his fucked up behavior / character, why can't a woman for hers?Thank you for giving your valuable time to human concerns.

40 hours per week daycare or baby sitting = 180 hours per month.

1 month health insurance.

1 month health insurance co-pays.

Loss of earnings or sick leave if child sick and parent has to miss work.

Medications if needed, vitamins.

1 month nutrition, formula, milk, or breastmilk.

100 [CodeWord131] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131).

Clothing and bedding as needed.

Laundry.

Heating or air conditioning as needed, hot water for bathing.

Equipment needs such as car seat, bed, stroller.

Miscellaneous purchases such as feed bottles, washcloths, night lights, wet wipes, soap, toys.

I don't know how much all this costs, and of course it has to be split between both parents, but $600 per month sounds like a good deal for the non custodial parent who will not have to deal with [CodeWord132] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord132) duty, nocturnal vomiting, etc. Later on there will be ballet classes and Halloween costumes, school photos.

I have not included here the cost of providing a home for the child, but a two bedroom apartment will be more expensive than a one bedroom, have higher utility bills, etc. Children of higher earning parents will expect to have a more luxurious lifestyle than those of the poor.

I am not sure that "the child has not died yet" would necessarily be recognized as the standard to be aimed for.

[Wrx2005]

In US society women have the exclusive right to get pregnant, no matter who they choose to have sex with. Women have the exclusive right to choose to have a baby or abort. Men on the other hand, do not have the choice of the women having the baby or the choice not to be a biological father when a pregnancy occurs. I believe just like there are laws in place once again protecting women, (like date [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), consent laws) there should be laws protecting men.

Make it so a woman has to have a mans consent on whether he wants to be a father or not. Obviously abortion is not an issue, because women already have that right. So when a woman decides to have sex, she better get that man's consent or dissent on whether he wants to be a father if a pregnancy occurs. No more of this having sex indiscriminately with any fucking tom dick or harry.

And then blaming men for her poor choice in sex partners. If a man says no I do not want to be a father, her decision to proceed, she has to deal with the consequences. . She can keep the child, but the man is not obligated legally to support that child. If she chooses to abort, she does so because she already had that right, where as the man never had the right to force her to do it. And for those women who clearly can't support a child, maybe there should be some way to stop women from being able to get pregnant until they either have a willing potential father or they have the means to support that child all by themselves.

Maybe something positive can come out of this. For one it can save men a lot of useless worry on having to wait 9 months just to see if he is even the father. His interest and consent can be established long before a child is conceived. If it has to be in writing, then make sure it's done. In addition, it may put women in the position of thinking twice about trying to trick a man into fathering children when all they wanted was recreational sex. And being more selective in who have sex with.

Of course society is not ready to take a hard stand like this to support mens rights and even up the playing field. What I'm proposing almost sounds insane because women rights are the ones who are always looked after and protected. Not men.

[Frannie]

And then blaming men for her poor choice in sex partners. If a man says no I do not want to be a father, her decision to proceed, she has to deal with the consequences. . She can keep the child, but the man is not obligated legally to support that child. If she chooses to abort, she does so because she already had that right, where as the man never had the right to force her to do it. And for those women who clearly can't support a child, maybe there should be some way to stop women from being able to get pregnant until they either have a willing potential father or they have the means to support that child all by themselves.

Thank you for taking such an interest in our planet during your visit. You have some good ideas, but our laws treat human children differently from livestock because of beliefs that there is something unique about human beings, which some people call having a "soul". Usually we frown on fathers disowning their sons and daughters, because ideally a human child needs a full network of two sets of grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins and so on to give them Christmas and birthday presents, and to enjoy the best possible support system during the long path to maturity which lasts 18 or more years in which the child is usually economically dependent on others and for several years cannot be left alone at any time without supervision so that they do not set fire to dwelling structures.

However it is still very possible for a man to have recreational sex without pregnancy ensuing. The simplest thing first, he should make sure to use a barrier form of contraception such as a condom every time he has sexual intercourse with a human female that will block his gametes from fertilizing the over of a human female. Even better, he can avoid having sex at all, or only have sex with men, who cannot become pregnant as they have no womb. Having sex with men in various manners that I won't go into here is an increasingly popular option. Another alternative is for the man to have an operation called a vasectomy that permanently disables the mechanisms that make it possible for him to be a father. A more extreme, but also increasingly popular route is for the man to have surgery that removes his penis and testes and gives him an artificial vagina and breasts. He is now allowed to dress as a woman, and if he takes female hormones may even occasionally be mistaken for a woman, especially if the man is drunk or it is dark.

Often it is not clear who is the father, when the mother has had unprotected sex with various males, or is forgetful, but in this case the mother and possible fathers may be paid to attend the Maury Povich Show where tests will be carried out to determine who the grandparents are.

Often the mother will bring the child or children to the studio to prove her claim's validity to Maury, the audience, and the accused father. She will often say "I'm 100%/1000% (or some other high amount) sure he is the father!" In most cases, the accused father is hostile towards the accusing mother, giving various reasons (such as infidelity and sterility) why the child cannot be related to him, often saying "The baby doesn't look like me" and sometimes "I can't have kids", "She never told me she was pregnant", or "She cheated on me".

After the results are revealed, the parties react accordingly; when the man is proven to be the father, the mother often will celebrate, whereas if the man is proven not to be the father, he jumps out of his chair and celebrates while the mother runs backstage crying. In either case, the audience cheers loudly for the victorious party, who often celebrates with over the top dancing or gymnastics. Mothers often return on future episodes to test more men.

Hope this helps.

[Mr Enternational]

In addition, it may put women in the position of thinking twice about trying to trick a man into fathering children when all they wanted was recreational sex. And being more selective in who have sex with.If women were more selective in who they have sex with, then guys will complain even more about being in some sex prison. You can't have it both ways. Be careful what you wish for.

[Wrx2005]

If women were more selective in who they have sex with, then guys will complain even more about being in some sex prison. You can't have it both ways. Be careful what you wish for.Please elaborate Mr E. This is what I was thinking when I wrote my piece. Which guys in sex prison would be doing the complaining? If women were more selective in who they had sex with, and who fathered their children, wouldn't that mean that the decent dudes would be getting more play than all of the fucked up dudes these women allow to father all of these babies?

As it stands now, the dudes complaining in sex prison are mostly the guys being overlooked, because too many women prefer getting laid by the very men contributing to the fatherlessness. So if women did start being more selective, wouldn't that mean, the pussy starts going to men that are more likely to stick around for a relationship, and if a relationship is not wanted, at the very least more likely to take responsibility for a child? The man sought would be more able to afford taking care of a child. Wouldn't this in essence release a lot of men from sex prison?

With this change in place, , it would seem to me, that the men that will be complaining more will be the ones who probably shouldn't be getting to fuck recklessly in the 1st place. So if THEY end up in sex prison and start complaining, why would me, you or anybody else give a fuck about them? Somebody obviously is not going to be happy with that.

In addition, who has had to bear the cost of all of these fatherless children, when both parents can't afford or won't take responsibility? It's the taxpayers. Me and you included. So women being more selective, since they have the pussy, their decision to be more selective would have a much more favorable impact within society.

As it stands now, women are free to do whatever they please with their pussies. At least if more and more decent guys were getting recognized, instead of the wrong men, it might cut down on a lot of the assbackwardsness and unchecked reckless behavior from both genders.

You see it differently?

[Wrx2005]

What is Sex Prison anyway? How do men end up there? How does it sustain itself? Well in the beginning when I started my rant, I was talking about the imbalances we see in how men are treated in society. I spoke about some of the things in society that basically devalues men and elevates women.

If I were to give a working definition of what sex prison is, it's basically a common term men use to express their frustration of relying on women( where they are from ) to take care of their sexual needs and fantasies. The problem though, the social construct men try to fulfill these desires / needs is at the behest and control of the women they relate to.

Moreover, the way men try to obtain and maintain getting their needs met starts with bad programming most men get from infancy. Female worship, and importance comes 1st. The behavior of men we talked about earlier, in regards to all of the things men try to do to attract females. Buy nice / expensive things. (cars, house, apartments, clothes) Wear cologne, get in shape, seek employment or create work to impress females. The list is endless. The males agenda is different than the females. The male is trying to secure a partner to fulfill his sexual urges / needs. And the female agenda is to use her femininity to secure a mate for her agenda. Security, a nest slave, to bear children etc.

Now that we have the props in place, next comes how we relate to females. This is the beginning phases of entering SEX Prison. The initial phases of relating to the female consists of expressing interest in the female. The female recognizes this interest coming her way, and now consciously and subconsciously begins to relate back based on her programming and conditioning. "You like me, you have to pay for that like"

This part is where just about every male begins his descent in Sex Prison. The social scenes where they meet, and then the Dating Phase once mutual interest is established. The social scenes, can be the church, school, in the street, the clubs, internet, wherever. Next the way men start to relate to women. It's starts with men creating an immediate imbalance (with the woman) of being the main one initiating and maintaining PAYING FOR SHIT.

Using outdated female worship rituals like chivalry. Behavior demonstrating putting women in a higher sense of importance than himself. What makes it worse, is that men are doing it for women that now claim to be men's equal in society. If that is the case, then why are men still doing all of this shit for women? It's bad programming and conditioning. Men hold on to silly traditions only because it's all they know.

It's believed that if they didn't do these things, they would not get closer to fulfilling their agenda. Getting laid. So they repeat the same pattern of relating to the female because that is what they are used to. To do anything different would feel unnatural. Besides, most men know exactly what will happen if a man insists or expects women to drop all of their privileges and entitlements and decide to be more equal to men as they establish a connection Fuck THAT! Pay me, pay for me, worship me. And men do it.

Now that we have established our second class place status dealing with women, WTF should we expect to happen as we move forward relating to women? Women are going to use sex as a weapon, as a bargaining tool. They recognize our agenda a mile away. And use that thirst to get what they want out of us, out of life. We are the ones that slap rocket boosters on women to propel them into orbit. And then when were not needed, the boosters separate, and she orbits on her own.

The average guy is in Sex Prison because he put himself there. Believing in a totally imbalanced system operating against fulfilling his own agenda. Who told you to pursue a relationship with women with the game stacked up against you? Who told you to have children under these circumstances? Who told you to think that things will be better once you find the right one, and then marry her?

Why are we still putting women 1st, being chivalrous? In the P4 P game outside of Sex Prison, using the DR as an example, typically men cut out most forms of female worship rituals and go straight to getting their needs met. In addition, a totally different concept is in place that makes those arrangements and relationships more safe and secure for men. Here it is. Paying for services AFTER the services are rendered. NOT before.

Just a basic principle or occurrence in life. When a person does work or some task, and then they get paid for what they earn, those transactions are usually satisfactory to both parties. There is no imbalance in that arrangement. But look at how different things are when the set up is, you having to pay upfront, and then wait to receive services. There is something about that, that usually ends up with the one waiting for services, ending up not being fulfilled. Usually one has no recourse because they willingly paid upfront without having some form of assurance that they were going to get what they paid for.

Well that is what men do in the US. That is the typical role men play in relation to women. We pay and pay, we put women 1st, we do all the fucking driving, we do all of this social ass kissing, we think looking like an Alpha male, being a good father and husband, is going to pay off one day. Were going to be respected, appreciated, and be deluged with our sexual fantasies being fulfilled. But numero uno rule in ones best interest. Do not, or avoid paying for services, or bestowing benefits and entitlements to those that have not earned it.

Thats what men do, and that is one reason why they maintain a residence in sex prison. Imagine if men changed in an instant how they relate to women? No buying drinks / beverages. No icebreakers. No dinners or concerts. No jumping to help women solve their problems. No running to lift heavy shit, or run to their aid because they have a car problem (in enough instances because of their negligence, lack of maintenance, or ignoring a problem).

In a P4 P environment, a lot of counter productive behavior can be severely reduced or even eliminated. A man doesn't have to take on a womans problems, trying to get laid. He can pay for exactly what he wants, and go about his business.

Where men go wrong however, is bringing their old habits from operating within Sex Prison, and try to apply them in their salvation matrix (p4 p). They start wining, dining, paying for shit, sending money, doing all kinds of shit, and the recipient has NOT earned anything. In essence the men are back to trying to pay for something they arent getting, with the hope it's going to lead to appreciation, and fulfillment of ones sexual needs.

Like Mr Frannie said. "Here baby, Imma give you this 200 pesos that you asked of me now. And I'm going to treat it like I am going to get you to pull out all stops to work out my kinks, THE NEXT TIME YOU COME. Thats the way, a lot of us still think.

And then when we do not get what we think we paid in advance for, we blame the women. Paying upon services being rendered is what gets a man closer to getting his needs met within a mutually agreed upon arrangement. Paying forward with women, can get you clowned. Even if it's barter and exchange, there are only a few reasons why a man may expect to provide compensation 1st and have to wait for commensurate reciprocation.

A mans efforts should never get so deep that he strips the other party from the opportunity of making their own contribution or earning their keep. Make them work, make them earn, make them accountable, make them contribute and a man just might have some semblance of control and satisfaction in his dealings with women. Apply it in the states is going to be somewhat more difficult. Because as long as women do not have a need for you, the more difficult it may be to depend on them to meet your needs.

Women in the states who earn money, when they do not need you, their interest in men is often very parasitical. They aren't poor, so they arent necessarily in need of a man to take care of them (security). The problem is, many if not most women do not want to use their resources they worked for, for their own security and survival. They will do it if they have to. But in many instances they want to keep men in that traditional role, where they use men and their resources so they do not have to utilize theirs. And once again, men blindly sign up for this shit with women willingly, so they can be exploited.

If I lived in the states, there is no way I would put up with performing most of my old habits of dealing with women. Especially during the get to know you phase and the mating / dating phases. So if a man is not strong and aware enough to stop his own ex and sexploitation, then perhaps he would be better off, not relying on pursuing his fantasies and fulfilling his needs within the area he lives. More reason to, is because women arent going to change and give up all of their bennies and entitlements. They are going to continue campaigning for men to stay just as they are. Keeping themselves irrelevant and insignificant. A nest salve, a tool, a mule.

Here in the DR, I have less hassle paying after services are rendered. The women seem to be psychologically in accord with that arrangement. But whenever I started doing shit for them unearned, especially for the wrong reasons, you can see a different attitude come out of them. And if one were to pay close attention, a level of disrespect emerges because of the imbalance created.

And like a child, sometimes you see them begin to take liberties, and you see slick behavior. Start expecting you to do things for them, without them earning it. Then they want to do less and less, but get more and more. All because you showed a soft spot. Perhaps did something for someone unearned without discriminating it's potential impact.

For some men, dealing with women in the states ( or any other Sex Prison ) isn't all bad. I know a lot of guys travel abroad for p4p , as a supplement to their relationships/marriages back home. In other words, they are not relying on women back home to fulfill ALL of their needs and fantasies. Traveling abroad contributes greatly to relieving some of their dependency on women where they are from.

[Frannie]

What is Sex Prison anyway? How do men end up there? How does it sustain itself? Well in the beginning when I started my rant, I was talking about the imbalances we see in how men are treated in society. I spoke about some of the things in society that basically devalues men and elevates women.

If I were to give a working definition of what sex prison is, it's basically a common term men use to express their frustration of relying on women( where they are from ) to take care of their sexual needs and fantasies. The problem though, the social construct men try to fulfill these desires / needs is at the behest and control of the women they relate to.

Moreover, the way men try to obtain and maintain getting their needs met starts with bad programming most men get from infancy. Female worship, and importance comes 1st. The behavior of men we talked about earlier, in regards to all of the things men try to do to attract females. Buy nice / expensive things. (cars, house, apartments, clothes) Wear cologne, get in shape, seek employment or create work to impress females. The list is endless. The males agenda is different than the females. The male is trying to secure a partner to fulfill his sexual urges / needs. And the female agenda is to use her femininity to secure a mate for her agenda. Security, a nest slave, to bear children etc.

Now that we have the props in place, next comes how we relate to females. This is the beginning phases of entering SEX Prison. The initial phases of relating to the female consists of expressing interest in the female. The female recognizes this interest coming her way, and now consciously and subconsciously begins to relate back based on her programming and conditioning. "You like me, you have to pay for that like"

This part is where just about every male begins his descent in Sex Prison. The social scenes where they meet, and then the Dating Phase once mutual interest is established. The social scenes, can be the church, school, in the street, the clubs, internet, wherever. Next the way men start to relate to women. It's starts with men creating an immediate imbalance (with the woman) of being the main one initiating and maintaining PAYING FOR SHIT.

Using outdated female worship rituals like chivalry. Behavior demonstrating putting women in a higher sense of importance than himself. What makes it worse, is that men are doing it for women that now claim to be men's equal in society. If that is the case, then why are men still doing all of this shit for women? It's bad programming and conditioning. Men hold on to silly traditions only because it's all they know.

It's believed that if they didn't do these things, they would not get closer to fulfilling their agenda. Getting laid. So they repeat the same pattern of relating to the female because that is what they are used to. To do anything different would feel unnatural. Besides, most men know exactly what will happen if a man insists or expects women to drop all of their privileges and entitlements and decide to be more equal to men as they establish a connection Fuck THAT! Pay me, pay for me, worship me. And men do it.

Now that we have established our second class place status dealing with women, WTF should we expect to happen as we move forward relating to women? Women are going to use sex as a weapon, as a bargaining tool. They recognize our agenda a mile away. And use that thirst to get what they want out of us, out of life. We are the ones that slap rocket boosters on women to propel them into orbit. And then when were not needed, the boosters separate, and she orbits on her own.

The average guy is in Sex Prison because he put himself there. Believing in a totally imbalanced system operating against fulfilling his own agenda. Who told you to pursue a relationship with women with the game stacked up against you? Who told you to have children under these circumstances? Who told you to think that things will be better once you find the right one, and then marry her?

Why are we still putting women 1st, being chivalrous? In the P4 P game outside of Sex Prison, using the DR as an example, typically men cut out most forms of female worship rituals and go straight to getting their needs met. In addition, a totally different concept is in place that makes those arrangements and relationships more safe and secure for men. Here it is. Paying for services AFTER the services are rendered. NOT before.

Just a basic principle or occurrence in life. When a person does work or some task, and then they get paid for what they earn, those transactions are usually satisfactory to both parties. There is no imbalance in that arrangement. But look at how different things are when the set up is, you having to pay upfront, and then wait to receive services. There is something about that, that usually ends up with the one waiting for services, ending up not being fulfilled. Usually one has no recourse because they willingly paid upfront without having some form of assurance that they were going to get what they paid for.

Well that is what men do in the US. That is the typical role men play in relation to women. We pay and pay, we put women 1st, we do all the fucking driving, we do all of this social ass kissing, we think looking like an Alpha male, being a good father and husband, is going to pay off one day. Were going to be respected, appreciated, and be deluged with our sexual fantasies being fulfilled. But numero uno rule in ones best interest. Do not, or avoid paying for services, or bestowing benefits and entitlements to those that have not earned it.

Thats what men do, and that is one reason why they maintain a residence in sex prison. Imagine if men changed in an instant how they relate to women? No buying drinks / beverages. No icebreakers. No dinners or concerts. No jumping to help women solve their problems. No running to lift heavy shit, or run to their aid because they have a car problem (in enough instances because of their negligence, lack of maintenance, or ignoring a problem).

In a P4 P environment, a lot of counter productive behavior can be severely reduced or even eliminated. A man doesn't have to take on a womans problems, trying to get laid. He can pay for exactly what he wants, and go about his business.

Where men go wrong however, is bringing their old habits from operating within Sex Prison, and try to apply them in their salvation matrix (p4 p). They start wining, dining, paying for shit, sending money, doing all kinds of shit, and the recipient has NOT earned anything. In essence the men are back to trying to pay for something they arent getting, with the hope it's going to lead to appreciation, and fulfillment of ones sexual needs.

Like Mr Frannie said. "Here baby, Imma give you this 200 pesos that you asked of me now. And I'm going to treat it like I am going to get you to pull out all stops to work out my kinks, THE NEXT TIME YOU COME. Thats the way, a lot of us still think.

And then when we do not get what we think we paid in advance for, we blame the women. Paying upon services being rendered is what gets a man closer to getting his needs met within a mutually agreed upon arrangement. Paying forward with women, can get you clowned. Even if it's barter and exchange, there are only a few reasons why a man may expect to provide compensation 1st and have to wait for commensurate reciprocation.

A mans efforts should never get so deep that he strips the other party from the opportunity of making their own contribution or earning their keep. Make them work, make them earn, make them accountable, make them contribute and a man just might have some semblance of control and satisfaction in his dealings with women. Apply it in the states is going to be somewhat more difficult. Because as long as women do not have a need for you, the more difficult it may be to depend on them to meet your needs.

Women in the states who earn money, when they do not need you, their interest in men is often very parasitical. They aren't poor, so they arent necessarily in need of a man to take care of them (security). The problem is, many if not most women do not want to use their resources they worked for, for their own security and survival. They will do it if they have to. But in many instances they want to keep men in that traditional role, where they use men and their resources so they do not have to utilize theirs. And once again, men blindly sign up for this shit with women willingly, so they can be exploited.

If I lived in the states, there is no way I would put up with performing most of my old habits of dealing with women. Especially during the get to know you phase and the mating / dating phases. So if a man is not strong and aware enough to stop his own ex and sexploitation, then perhaps he would be better off, not relying on pursuing his fantasies and fulfilling his needs within the area he lives. More reason to, is because women arent going to change and give up all of their bennies and entitlements. They are going to continue campaigning for men to stay just as they are. Keeping themselves irrelevant and insignificant. A nest salve, a tool, a mule.

Here in the DR, I have less hassle paying after services are rendered. The women seem to be psychologically in accord with that arrangement. But whenever I started doing shit for them unearned, especially for the wrong reasons, you can see a different attitude come out of them. And if one were to pay close attention, a level of disrespect emerges because of the imbalance created.

And like a child, sometimes you see them begin to take liberties, and you see slick behavior. Start expecting you to do things for them, without them earning it. Then they want to do less and less, but get more and more. All because you showed a soft spot. Perhaps did something for someone unearned without discriminating it's potential impact.

For some men, dealing with women in the states ( or any other Sex Prison ) isn't all bad. I know a lot of guys travel abroad for p4p , as a supplement to their relationships/marriages back home. In other words, they are not relying on women back home to fulfill ALL of their needs and fantasies. Traveling abroad contributes greatly to relieving some of their dependency on women where they are from.Sex prison is being married to one of the Kardashian women. Eventually you will want to castrate yourself and wear a dress just to avoid every having sex with her again. Or take an overdose in a brothel instead of buying sex. Or get yourself admitted to a lunatic asylum to avoid having to ever look at her fat ass ever again.

[Mr Enternational]

Sex prison is being married to one of the Kardashian women.Seems with that clan, nobody can learn from anybody else's misfortune.

[GrownMan1]

Gentlemen I've had it up to here with the Dr. I mean it has been very good to me. I can't remember the last time I had a session ranked under a 7. The Sue on the weekends because that's all its good for and Boca and other areas during the week. I have been giving consideration to my next point of venture. I wanted either Cali Colombia or Santiago de Cuba. After going back and reading about 5 years of trip reports and trying to decipher other posters experience, I decided on Santiago Cuba. Like Fannie nothing turn me on more than an expecting confrontation with new stimuli. Don't get me wrong the blanca young chicas with the long hair do and nice fitting dresses are appealing and have their purpose; I prefer my chicas on the raw and uncut side. The Dr has a lot of beautiful women but they are use to tourists. I recalled being in Havana and besides Mr. G I was the only gringo in the local Club. While I am going to miss being able to roll up one and put it in the air in Cali, Colombia. No pressure in getting weed and smoking it in Colombia. Colombia is so big and sells so much pussy in the casas you can't get up and personal on the same level you can in the DR and Cuba. Someone wrote Santiago is for coffee lovers and not cream. That statement alone made my dick hard. I see Santiago is more grimy hood certified than is Capital sister Havana. My type of place.

Mr. G says I'm just tired of the DR And he's right to a certain degree. We are bumping into the same chica. Mr E, OlKool, Sub, and Mr. G have shared interest in the same females at different times in different locations. Adding the chica that I know my boys have already hit makes the whole fishing hole that much drier. "I need a new drug"! Huey Lewis!

Ozzie gave me an recent fresh take on the city. He's a 60-something year old man having a hard time adapting to the environment. That's understandable he's used to the smooth sailing of Puerto Plata. I don't see Santiago being his choice maybe Havana. For me Santiago sings just what the doctor ordered. The hard part is keeping mr. G motivated. Had I not hurry up and bought my ticket he would have changed his plans. He already cancelled out on Santiago just because a little hurricane came through. That ninja turned around and went to Boca Chica instead. He is loving Boca Chica and all the southern coast has to offer. This ninja send me a picture with him and his girl before they do the nasty in my favorite room.

He and I are about to venture off and rarely charted territory. This will be a total recon mission. At the last minute one of my partners from Florida decided to join the group. Damn mr. G and I had a 2 Man swag going on. One extra man is going to change the game. I was hoping mr. G told me to tell him it was too late. But just like me he doesn't mind accommodating for newblood.

Hollywood found a ticket to Cuba leaving out of Orlando for $560 round trip. He will be on the flight with mr. G when he reaches Miami. My flight with JetBlue will be two hours behind them. Thank you mr. G for being patient with me. That American Airline flight was $80 more an American Airline charges you for your luggage. They also charge $50 extra for a Visa going to Cuba.

Mr. G I know you keep putting it in my head that this is just a recon mission and we don't know what to expect. I am expecting and predicting good things. We are going in an area where we don't have to fight on who gets the darkest chica. I am bringing a stack with me but I don't plan on spending it all. My roundtrip ticket was $360 and the rooms are running us $25 a night. I have enough small gifts on me for all 3 of us. I've been waiting for this trip and I'm jumping in head-first.

[Mr Enternational]

Gentlemen I've had it up to here with the Dr... I have been giving consideration to my next point of venture. I wanted either Cali Colombia or Santiago de Cuba... Don't get me wrong the blanca young chicas with the long hair do and nice fitting dresses are appealing and have their purpose; I prefer my chicas on the raw and uncut side... Someone wrote Santiago is for coffee lovers and not cream. That statement alone made my dick hard. I see Santiago is more grimy hood certified than is Capital sister Havana. My type of place.What you are overlooking is that not everywhere in Colombia is like Medellin. The same as people say Santo Domingo is different from Santiago.

Do me a favor and google "People Cali Colombia" and "People Cartagena Colombia" then click the image tab (while you are at it, do it for Medellin too) and see what you come up with. While Medellin is more like Miami (on the people side of the game), Cali and Cartagena are more like Atlanta.

[SubCmdr]

Mr. G says I'm just tired of the DR And he's right to a certain degree. We are bumping into the same chica. Mr E, OlKool, Sub, and Mr. G have shared interest in the same females at different times in different locations. Adding the chica that I know my boys have already hit makes the whole fishing hole that much drier. "I need a new drug"! Huey Lewis!Mr. GrownMan,

You are straight on point. If we are all standing around the same fishing hole, catching and releasing, we are bound to catch the same fish. Someone wrote that they are not "your girl" that it's just "your turn". No truer words have been spoken as anyone who has pulled a waitress out of one of the many venues found in Sosua and Boca Chica can attest!

Do Cuba right! I look forward to reading your report.

[Wrx2005]

Gentlemen I've had it up to here with the Dr. I mean it has been very good to me. I can't remember the last time I had a session ranked under a 7. The Sue on the weekends because that's all its good for and Boca and other areas during the week. I have been giving consideration to my next point of venture. I wanted either Cali Colombia or Santiago de Cuba. After going back and reading about 5 years of trip reports and trying to decipher other posters experience, I decided on Santiago Cuba. Like Fannie nothing turn me on more than an expecting confrontation with new stimuli. Don't get me wrong the blanca young chicas with the long hair do and nice fitting dresses are appealing and have their purpose; I prefer my chicas on the raw and uncut side. The Dr has a lot of beautiful women but they are use to tourists. I recalled being in Havana and besides Mr. G I was the only gringo in the local Club. While I am going to miss being able to roll up one and put it in the air in Cali, Colombia. No pressure in getting weed and smoking it in Colombia. Colombia is so big and sells so much pussy in the casas you can't get up and personal on the same level you can in the DR and Cuba. Someone wrote Santiago is for coffee lovers and not cream. That statement alone made my dick hard. I see Santiago is more grimy hood certified than is Capital sister Havana. My type of place.

Mr. G says I'm just tired of the DR And he's right to a certain degree. We are bumping into the same chica. Mr E, OlKool, Sub, and Mr. G have shared interest in the same females at different times in different locations. Adding the chica that I know my boys have already hit makes the whole fishing hole that much drier. "I need a new drug"! Huey Lewis!

Ozzie gave me an recent fresh take on the city. He's a 60-something year old man having a hard time adapting to the environment. That's understandable he's used to the smooth sailing of Puerto Plata. I don't see Santiago being his choice maybe Havana. For me Santiago sings just what the doctor ordered. The hard part is keeping mr. G motivated. Had I not hurry up and bought my ticket he would have changed his plans. He already cancelled out on Santiago just because a little hurricane came through. That ninja turned around and went to Boca Chica instead. He is loving Boca Chica and all the southern coast has to offer. This ninja send me a picture with him and his girl before they do the nasty in my favorite room.

He and I are about to venture off and rarely charted territory. This will be a total recon mission. At the last minute one of my partners from Florida decided to join the group. Damn mr. G and I had a 2 Man swag going on. One extra man is going to change the game. I was hoping mr. G told me to tell him it was too late. But just like me he doesn't mind accommodating for newblood.

Hollywood found a ticket to Cuba leaving out of Orlando for $560 round trip. He will be on the flight with mr. G when he reaches Miami. My flight with JetBlue will be two hours behind them. Thank you mr. G for being patient with me. That American Airline flight was $80 more an American Airline charges you for your luggage. They also charge $50 extra for a Visa going to Cuba.

Mr. G I know you keep putting it in my head that this is just a recon mission and we don't know what to expect. I am expecting and predicting good things. We are going in an area where we don't have to fight on who gets the darkest chica. I am bringing a stack with me but I don't plan on spending it all. My roundtrip ticket was $360 and the rooms are running us $25 a night. I have enough small gifts on me for all 3 of us. I've been waiting for this trip and I'm jumping in head-first.I admire what you guys are doing, taking the plunge in un chartered territory. Hope you all have a safe and enjoyable trip. Even if the mongering part isn't as satisfying as you might want.

[Nordico]

Gentlemen I've had it up to here with the Dr. I mean it has been very good to me. I can't remember the last time I had a session ranked under a 7. The Sue on the weekends because that's all its good for and Boca and other areas during the week. I have been giving consideration to my next point of venture. I wanted either Cali Colombia or Santiago de Cuba. After going back and reading about 5 years of trip reports and trying to decipher other posters experience, I decided on Santiago Cuba. Like Fannie nothing turn me on more than an expecting confrontation with new stimuli. Don't get me wrong the blanca young chicas with the long hair do and nice fitting dresses are appealing and have their purpose; I prefer my chicas on the raw and uncut side. The Dr has a lot of beautiful women but they are use to tourists. I recalled being in Havana and besides Mr. G I was the only gringo in the local Club. While I am going to miss being able to roll up one and put it in the air in Cali, Colombia. No pressure in getting weed and smoking it in Colombia. Colombia is so big and sells so much pussy in the casas you can't get up and personal on the same level you can in the DR and Cuba. Someone wrote Santiago is for coffee lovers and not cream. That statement alone made my dick hard. I see Santiago is more grimy hood certified than is Capital sister Havana. My type of place.Your trip just got really interesting with the death of El Comandante en Jefe.

[Mr Enternational]

Your trip just got really interesting with the death of El Comandante en Jefe.Got damn Nordico. I'm like what is this dude talki g about. I usually get the breaking news in email from CNN. This time I read your post before they sent me anything. You need to start emailing me the hot news first.

[Wrx2005]

Got damn Nordico. I'm like what is this dude talki g about. I usually get the breaking news in email from CNN. This time I read your post before they sent me anything. You need to start emailing me the hot news first.Yup, someone I know from Atlanta sent me a link about Castros death by Whatsapp about 4:30 this morning.

[SubCmdr]

I admire what you guys are doing, taking the plunge in un chartered territory.Exactly what part of Cuba do you consider uncharted territory? There are thousands of posts in the Cuba section. Grownman mentioned reading about the differences between Havana and Santiago. Mr. GoGo has been there before. They are not going where no man has gone before. But, I'll wait for the reports. Maybe you know something about their itinerary that I don't.

[GrownMan1]

What you are overlooking is that not everywhere in Colombia is like Medellin. The same as people say Santo Domingo is different from Santiago.

Do me a favor and google "People Cali Colombia" and "People Cartagena Colombia" then click the image tab (while you are at it, do it for Medellin too) and see what you come up with. While Medellin is more like Miami (on the people side of the game), Cali and Cartagena are more like Atlanta.Yeah Mr. E I saw the average people in Cali and my man DCfan skooled me awhile back. That's why I put Cali in the top 2. I went with Santiago because I like Cuba's history and the fly was easier and shorter.

[Mr Enternational]

Yeah Mr. E I saw the average people in Cali and my man DCfan skooled me awhile back. That's why I put Cali in the top 2. I went with Santiago because I like Cuba's history and the fly was easier and shorter.You can forget about Dcfan. Got that boy over to Thailand and Philippines last month. We were in the club and he stole a chick from right up under me. I think Colombia is a thing of the past for him.

[GrownMan1]

You can forget about Dcfan. Got that boy over to Thailand and Philippines last month. We were in the club and he stole a chick from right up under me. I think Colombia is a thing of the past for him.Yes he is a charismatic character. Tell him I said he sold out LOL.

[GrownMan1]

Cuba I flew out with JetBlue. They were a little unorganized getting document and visas to everyone. Warning once you get your documents for your visa and fill it out everything must be correct without any smears. One mistake on the visa and you will have to purchase another one. JetBlue was charging $50 per visa. I found out through my partner that American Airlines was charging $100.

I arrived in Cuba and met Mr G and Hollywood. We made a deal for $90 to go to Santiago. The trip reminded me of heading to the Sue. It was very similar scenery. The trip took us about an hour and 35 minutes. That's about 2 hours less. One thing I noticed is like Ozzie said the women in the DR are far more sexier. I the drive from the airport to Boca Chica alone you see many doable chicas. Not the case in Cuba. I have yet to see an abundance of Dimes pieces that you see immediately when you come off the airport in the DR. Many blancas were seen but they lack the physical shape I desire. Hollywood (a Santiago DR regular) notice the same. He said how the average chicas in the DR would rarely let there bodies get to what we noticed.

We arrived at our place and luckily they had a room across from us for Hollywood. Our rooms were simple two bedrooms for about $25. The owners met us and gave us the keys to both gates. The apartment in the neighborhood reminded me of your average Dominican borough. The area was quiet and relaxed.

The owner took us to a restaurant walking distance from the apartment. I have eaten in such places in Havana so I knew what to expect. The average meal in Havana cost about $12 for 3 people. This time I paid $10 for a fried leg quarter and rice. Hollywood who was far more finicky then I was ordered the grill chicken. Let's just say he was very disappointed and did not eat but a couple of pieces. Hollywood was hungry however he was so dissatisfied. Hollywood is about 250 pound weight lifting Guru. Mr G & I damn near laughed when he said he wanted to get some grits. He made an order for small shrimps after watching the owner of the apartment we rented order. (Mr G invited her to join us) As the small shrimp came out he began to redevien the shrimp. The chicas laugh stating that he cleaned the shrimp better than the cook.

We went back to our rooms and met up with two Cuban guys that were cool as hell. One of the guys lived in Nebraska and was home on vacation. They droves us around and showed us the local neighborhood. Which was really close walking distance to the main tourist area and historical sites.

The Cubano from Nebraska was like a celebrity. He worked at a farm in Nebraska saved his money, came home and bought a house for his mother and family. He was home saying Hello, to all his childhood friends. He liked the idea of having us around him.

SC is no Santo Domingo in Dominican Republic however I did like the vibe. The weather was excellent and the area was laid back.

Being of noticeable African descent we blend in well with the population however you can tell there was something un Cuban about us.

[Wrx2005]

Exactly what part of Cuba do you consider uncharted territory? There are thousands of posts in the Cuba section. Grownman mentioned reading about the differences between Havana and Santiago. Mr. GoGo has been there before. They are not going where no man has gone before. But, I'll wait for the reports. Maybe you know something about their itinerary that I don't.I meant to say rarely "charted" territory, not "unchartered" territory. Thanks for bringing this up, even though you missed my incorrect word usage. I'm confident both G men were capable of understanding my intent / message.

From Grownman1.


He and I are about to venture off and rarely charted territory. This will be a total recon mission. At the last minute one of my partners from Florida decided to join the group. Damn mr. G and I had a 2 Man swag going on. One extra man is going to change the game. I was hoping mr. G told me to tell him it was too late. But just like me he doesn't mind accommodating for newblood.

Hollywood found a ticket to Cuba leaving out of Orlando for $560 round trip. He will be on the flight with mr. G when he reaches Miami. My flight with JetBlue will be two hours behind them. Thank you mr. G for being patient with me. That American Airline flight was $80 more an American Airline charges you for your luggage. They also charge $50 extra for a Visa going to Cuba.

Mr. G I know you keep putting it in my head that this is just a recon mission and we don't know what to expect. I am expecting and predicting good things.Two things resonates from Grownmans post. The fact that it was a recon mission, and that he said and rarely charted territory. That suggests to me, that where they were going was going to be unexplored or new to all of them or at least some of them that went. I didn't need any specific wording or correct spelling to make the connection of what was implied or meant. Just like I'm sure they didn't need any from me on word choice or spelling, I had no problem with any from Grownman1.

So let me ask you this question. You read my statement, you saw me say something about "unchartered" territory in my message to Grownman, but you asked me what part of Cuba do I consider "uncharted"? You really was supposed to ask me what I meant by "un chartered territory"? See? You kinda fucked up there didn't you? Blew a golden opportunity. Thats what happens when one is hasty. They miss key details. . I see my word usage error thanks to you. Now I am more in accord with what Grownman1 wrote.

Now if you have a problem with what "rarely charted territory" means, then you can take that up with Grownman1. But I'm sure that wont be necessary.

[Mr Gogo]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/miamiherald.relaymedia.com/amp/news/nation-world/world/americas/cuba/article118159323.html?client=safari

[SubCmdr]

I see my word usage error thanks to you.You are welcome Professor Wrx2005. But actually you were the one that was hasty. Because "un chartered" and "uncharted" are neither "rarely charted". I simply asked for a clarification and you provided it. Yes, once again I didn't write the response as you would have but hey, I'm not not you and I'm thankful for that. (Left that out of my Thanksgiving message).

Don't you realize that you posted a message for the entire forum to read? Not just the two G men. Since my response was to what you wrote. I don't need to bring Grownman or Mr. GoGo into our interaction. But I've noticed that many of your posts are written in such a way where it more important to make a point than actually communicate a message. You put in the classic "But" ("un" spoken of course because why use one word when you can write an entire sentence and say the exact same thing) in order deflect from your original error.

So yes, I may have rushed my response, but only because I had a chica getting ready to suck my dick (the secretary under the desk thing really works for me) and my focus and priorities were not on writing a perfect post in advance to counter the predictable pedantic reply you were going to provide no matter what I wrote. LOL!

[GrownMan1]

He's Rick James bitcha.

We ended up in the nightclub which had a pretty good vibe of locals and tourists. I seen many of European women getting there Cuban on with the locals. As well as older gentleman with their much younger companions. The club was filled of mostly guys and local prostitutes, nothing higher than a 7. Except for the one chica Hollywood got with. I'll give her a solid 8. She was Mr G's choice at first however he put her off until tomorrow. Bad move. These two pros later approached us. I will give them a five and a 5 and a half. The one that I had had noticeable body fat from obviously childbirth however she was slim tall and dark. Her girlfriend was tall as well and obviously the sleeper of the group. Mr Go Go was on his third Cuba Libre. He was feeling good and I know there will be problems later. I told Hollywood look at Mr G in about 10 minutes he's going to get rid of the girl he's with. 5 minutes into his third Cuba Libre Rick James was feeling good. 3 times he almost fell into the DJ booth losing his balance (not all his fault). Oh yeah he's feeling good. The chica has stuck her tongue down his throat. I wish you could have seen the tongue on this Punta. In Mr G's defense he was begging me to save him. He knew he was pass he get lose mode. They were grinding and damn near fucking in the corner. I went to show Hollywood and he was kissing his girl as well. I told the chica I was with that this is my first time in Santiago and I'm just looking before I make a choice. Then Mr. G finished his drink. He huddled around us and said let's meet downstairs in 10 minutes. I go downstairs and guess what Mr G is ready to kick his girl to the curb. Why I asked, he said because she was bullshitting about the price when he asked her. I told him she just didn't want to over play her hand however they did agree upon 25 cuc. Which is the average rate.

[GrownMan1]

Nevertheless Rick James dismissed her. For 25 cuc her friend can get it. Hollywood was stuck on his girl. I told them if we are choosing them there's no sense in a staying here with the chicas we've already picked. I talked to RJ and convinced him to take his chica. He agreed. I want upstairs and let the chica I was with convince me that she is the one I should choose. It's a game I play. 5 minutes upstairs was too long for RJ outside with his punta. By the time we got downstairs he had already dismissed his chica again. Mr G's my boy so when he just diss missed his chica her friend had to go too. Damn RJ.

Shortly after I saw two young tender Roni's. These girls were in there early 20. Unlike the two we let go who were in there late twenties early thirties. I made a play for them and cut down the chattin got straight to how much. They were cousins and were willing for happy hour. I made an agreement for $25 apiece. They were a perfect tag team one very light cute slim with a fat ass and the other one dark slender sexy. My plan was to fuck both of them and finish off who ever had the better feel. Our Cuban homies we're giving us a ride back to our room which wasn't far from the area. Mr G who was ready to call the night an L. I told him I had a setup with two girls however if he choose one which I knew he would it was cool. First he chastise me for trying to hook him up because he never seeing the girls. Then he jumped in the car and began kissing the light one on her enter thigh. Damn I was hoping he didn't want her. Oh well nights not over. Once we made it back to our room the girls beginning getting naked. RJ had found a new lover. They wanted to drink something so we had drinks in the refrigerator. Listen please treat these chica like chicas in the DR. They will violate your hospitality given the opportunity. You must maintain control of them to the point that you're walking them out your house.

[GrownMan1]

Street chicas are street chicas I guess. What went on that night was a learning lesson on being roommates with Me and RJ. Less just say the neighbors complained about the loud noise.

[GrownMan1]

Ain't this a *****.

Gogo wake me up from a power nap and tells me they are outside waiting on me. I get dressed walk outside and nobody's here. Is Friday night and I am fresh to death looking lost. If these ninjas we're going somewhere why didn't they say will be right back GM Please somebody explain to me how hard it is for them to let me know that. It would have been easier if they had just let me sleep. But no wake me up and tell me you are outside waiting and then leave. This is why I hate 3 man swag. Had it been just Gogo and I he would have never left me. We would have said the time we were going to meet and met there. I just don't understand why they couldn't just have told me we are going. That's alright I can take a L for the night but I will put the lock on the door and he will have a hard time trying to get in contact with me. It's now 1 hour after he woke me up and no sign of them this is going down as the worst night. This is not like the Sue when I can just walk to the club on my own. I'm going to wait 15 more minutes and then I'm going to get undressed and get back into bed after I put the lock on the main door. A I promise I will not open the door until tomorrow.