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Excepticus
11-23-10, 05:24
Dear Jackson,
Thanks for opening this thread. I hope WE can here report the damage we suffer. And if was worth or not. Always subjective to each person. But at least a small guide
So far. My knowledge is very limited in Moscow as I visited the city few times but no opportunity for mongering. I will relocate soon to this magnificent city in many aspects and I hope to join you in our sport
Best regards
2000-3000 RUB for an hour with two pops- is a standard price with a nice (7-9) looking woman.
At first I thought,"What a idea for a great thread".
But beyond reporting the price of pussy in Moscow (or SP, or Chelyabinsk, Samara, or where ever) what is there to say except to complain about how expensive things have gotten?
It's been said over and over and over again, but the price for sex in Russia is nearly irrelevant. In the salons or in the strip clubs, sure there are local accepted norms for pricing. And the girls at NF and HD are still trolling for the Moscow first timer who will pay their un-Godly rate for what they claim will be an all night-till-nooner (ha!). But who can truthfully say that performance is not INVERSELY proportionate to price when you try to take a WG out of an establishment and back to your apartment or hotel. And why? Let me stick my neck out and say it's in search of the GFE. The Girlfriend Experience that was once widely available but is now all but lost amongst the bar girls. Especially the ones who are there for the whole season and have established accommodation. Perhaps in summer you can snag a Provincalka who wanders into HD straight from the Voksal, but for the most part these girls are operating on auto pilot playing the numbers game and looking for multiple tricks per night. It's all about time utilization for them.
Most of you have checked out.
www.sextalk.ru
It has recently gotten even MORE useful in that my Chrome browser translates each page for me. Granted it's not perfect, but it's good enough for me to learn that our local Russian brothers don't even seem to LOOK for GFE. Their approach is much more pragmatic. They seems to like the working apartments that offer good value for dollar. True, it's strictly by the one hour, or two hour block, but at least you know what your are getting. Sextalk members do a GREAT job of ranking performance and commenting on such things as surroundings and how girls relate to customers as well as how well they perform classic sex, oral sex or anal sex. What's better than that if you are just looking for a good FUCK?
Guys, I think the old days of simply PAYING for a good time with a gorgeous Russia girl who will drink and laugh with you all night while you have your way with her are over. You just can't get there from here. The game has changed. Let me say it again. The game has changed. It's no longer as simple as paying for it. We have to WORK for it now. Dare I say it's almost as bad a dating. A local friend of mine said there are two kinds of wh*res. Those who sell love, and those who sell meat. The onces at NF and HD are selling meat. Make no mistake. It's meat that is very nicely presented and dressed by the way, but it's still just meat. Wham. Bam. Thankya. Ma'am.
Finding girls who sell love has gotten a whole lot more complicated. But please don't confuse the "love" I am referring to with emotional love. What I am referring to is acting. The fact that, regardless of her true feelings, a "professional" will treat you like you are her long lost lover and give you what you are looking for. What's more, she will KNOW what you want. Those idiots in HD and NF are not pros. They are amateurs asking to be paid like pros.
Like the late great Dr Skank said some time ago,"if you want to get laid by a young gorgeous Muscovite, you need more than money. You need a little "game". The Ironic thing is, the more game you have the less money you need. I am not saying that I have any more game than anyone else. But I have defined what I am looking for and have learned how to find what I want. It might not be the same as what each of you are looking for, but I have learned where to find it. It's not free by ANY stretch of the imagination but it's not even close to what those skanks at NF and HD are asking.
Some of you might remember one of Dr. Skank's posts titled "Indecent Proposal". He met a girl for a date and anded up offering her $100 on the first date to screw him. She blanched at first but ended up screwing his brains out. And not just once either. If memory serves correct, it wasn't a one-time deal either. Sometimes you have to invest in the community in order to get what you want. You see all these girls in Mamba. Ru who say that they are "looking for s sponsor". Sure some of them want a car and an apartment. But you would be surprised at how many would be thrilled to get $500 a month to spend on clothes and shoes and who would be quite happy to "show their appreciation" once a week or more. Of course for those of you who don't send much time in Moscow it doesn't make much sense, but you get the idea. A little cash goes a long way if leveraged correctly. It's just like investing.
At the risk of sounding like Warren Buffet, I would suggest that rather than focusing solely on price, that we spend a little more time focusing on VALUE. And like finding value stocks, finding value in pussy takes a little work.
Happy New Year Gents!
PeterTheGreat
12-30-10, 07:45
I have mongered in Russia quite a few time (7) to be exact. I first went there in 98 and thought I'd gone to heaven. It is still as then a mongers paradise. However as we have seen the tirf has changed a bit. Things that have not changed are the number of May December relationships that are going on. This is PART of their society and is widely accepted as normal. You would have to spend some time there but if you do you will be richly rewarded if you are patient and don't get in a rush. I had a friend who married a Russian woman and her son and I hooked up so I had the luxury of having a "goofer" who looked out for me. I had an affair with a gorgeous 20 year old who looked like Virginia Madsen and f""cked like a mink. 100 for the night and she cooked and cleaned the apartment on top of that and took me to the museums and opera's. You can't get any better than that. It's still there believe me. What a pooners paradise.
Peter
20 year old who looked like Virginia Madsen and f""cked like a mink. 100 for the night and she cooked and cleaned the apartment on top of that and took me to the museums and opera's. You can't get any better than that. It's still there believe me. What a pooners paradise.
PeterThat's what I'm TALKING about!
And the $100 is not so much payment for services as a little something for her trouble.
A buddy of mine is a General Director of a Russian company. He has a wife and family back in the States but spends 75% of his time in Moscow. He has a girlfriend who is less than half his age with near-runway model looks and it does not seem to bother her one bit. She has a full time job as a sales person in the publishing business, but by her own admission she can't make ends meet in Moscow. Personally, I think she is a bit of a bit*ch, he's got a standing "date" with her Saturday night followed by her cooking breakfast Sunday morning. He helps her with her rent and feels quite free to troll for other "friends" in similar relationships and she appears to be quite satisfied with the arrangement for now.
He used to be a regular at NF and the salons but now only goes in to entertain visiting foreign business colleagues. I will contradict myself and say that the price of pussy has NOT gone up, but the game has evolved and we much evolve with it to get good value. As Russia has recovered from the financial crisis of the 90's and local guy's income stabilizes, girls are gravitating towards this kind of cozy relationship rather than the randomness of the pick-up bar. Money still changes hands but it has become more of an "arrangement" rather than a simple transaction.
Unfortunately, the loser in this equation is the Moscow short timer who does not have the time to invest. For you guys, I am afraid, the price of entry has DEFINITELY gone up and the value for dollar (Euro, Pound, Dinar, Dirham) has gone down.
Happy mongering and Happy New Year!
Jake
AColonizer
12-31-10, 20:51
Wonderful, at last a specific thread for prices but I would like to suggest a better header "services with prices" because each price must be compared to the specific service. Jackson, you know, services are the less known part of our business and services are the real difference between a bargain and a waste.
It seems last readers have more brain than the previous ones, someone writes about sexual relationships with Russian girlfriends (do not take those ladies outside their motherland!) with no money exchange, therefore not professional prostitutes. I think this is the smartest way to have sex even if most men fuck any kind of women with no matter of beauty and, in according to male mindset, a girl is a beauty if she was fucked, therefore a lot of nice (and fucked) women here are not actually nice in reality.
Prices, prices, prices, how many times I have talked about prices? A lot. I see there is a correspondence between average prices of out-call prostitutes in Kiev and average prices of road prostitutes in Italy. I see the typical basic service is the swallow deepthroat blowjob either in Ukraine or Italy. For the history, prostitutes exist just because they are masters in swallow blowjobs. The difference between covered and uncovered is above-all since thirty years ago and, in my opinion, that is a ridicolous difference because for the itself definition of sex, sex means natural body fluid exchanges without any kind of barriers: skin to skin, heart to heart.
OK, now we are ready to establish an international sex (stock) exchange. The unit is not the share but the deepthroat swallow blowjob "made in FSU"."made in FSU" means "made by Slavic girls from Former Soviet Union either they are working inside FSU or outside FSU, for example in Italy.
How much is that unit? I think who better knows prices are pimps (they know the business, from a male point of view, better than any other males) but they never help us otherwise they lose the key of their own business. Therefore I report prices of my best hardcore prostitutes. Some of them is still working, some others are retired in early twenties (yes, early twenties) , all of them are Slavic, very nice, clever (cynical) , cheerful and piggish! From 1 January 2007 to 31 December 2010 the deepthroat swallow blowjob "made in FSU" is quoted 20/30 euros, when there are few customers even 10/15 euros, when customers are silly even 50/100 euros. I have a comprehensive quote of any kind of services but I stop here by now.
I want just to repeat an important rule in the sex market: there is no correspondence between higher price and better quality, that means customer, who pays higher price, seldom gets a better service, everything depends on discovering a pervert innocent beautiful girl for a cheap price and, I assure you, there are a lot in all over the world.
Stravinsky
01-02-11, 19:17
Jake,
That Chrome translator must be very good if it can translate the reports on sextalk. Ru. They are so full of slang and jargon that they can be difficult to understand even in Russian. Did Google compile it's own thesaurus of Russian mongering phrases? .
I have to disagree with you that our Muscovite brothers are not interested GFE. They appreciate it as much as we do, they just don't spend as much time opining about it. They are certainly astute sex consumers, much better than we are, and sextalk. Ru helps them by allowing them to capture all kinds of valuable info that we can't here on ISG. They can score a girl for her sex skills, blowjob skills, her apartment and 1 other category: "relationship to the client" (normally, I would also include the Cyrillic spelling for reference, in case someone wanted to follow up on it, but this new Gelsoft software can't display Cyrillic letters. Apparently change does not always equal progress).
What they understand by "relationship to the client" is essentially what we think of as GFE.
You're right about prices in Russia being irrelevant (or at least they are in Moscow) , partly because, as you say, there is no direct correlation between price and quality, but mainly it's our fault because very few of us are good sex consumers.
Our Russian brethren actively work together to make sure that their women don't get spoiled by giving them too much money (bless their hearts). Take one of our Western tourists, however, with too much money to spend, and put him into that same situation and, well, there goes the neighborhood. Robin Williams once said that cocaine was,"God's way of telling you you're making too much money". I suppose the same could be said about 1, 000 Euro blow jobs.
I know from reading the reports on sextalk that the local Muscovite men are not grateful to us for poisoning their fishing hole. Fortunately for them, it's a big fishing hole.
I know we've talked about this before and I think we both agree: Moscow is no longer a mongering destination. If you've got some extra mad money and a week off, go to SEA or South America or the FKK clubs in Europe, but Moscow is no longer a place where the casual tourist can enjoy himself. In order to score in Moscow today, you have to be one of the following;
1. So rich that you don't care how much money you are spending (or working for a company that doesn't care how much money you are spending).
2. You have to have the "game" that enables you to hustle local dyeffki with a minimal amount of cash outlay.
3. Fairly fluent in Russian and able to make your way around town to places that the tourists can't get to, in which case there is a whole galaxy of sexual possibilities available to you.
Most important, you have to have time. You're right, short-timers will be at a disadvantage. If all you have is a few nights to spend, you'd be better off in Vegas.
What I don't understand is: it took us 3 years to persuade Jackson to create a thread for the Russian language, which is essential for anyone mongering in Russia, but then he creates a thread for Prices in less than 24 hours.
Go figure.
Jake,
That Chrome translator must be very good if it can translate the reports on sextalk. Ru. They are so full of slang and jargon that they can be difficult to understand even in Russian. Did Google compile it's own thesaurus of Russian mongering phrases? . You would be SURPRISED at how well this new translator captures the tone of what they are saying.
What they understand by "relationship to the client" is essentially what we think of as GFE. Ha, ha. You know what Strav? I think you're right! Never made the connection. Doh!
Going back in late January for about 6 weeks. I have no fewer than 7 projects on the go who are all in various stages of development. And I am convinced that's the way you have to play it. As they tiresome they drop off the end as you are constantly interviewing new recruits. No one ever said Mongering was EASY!
Stravinsky
01-04-11, 06:12
No one ever said Mongering was EASY!You're right: it's a nasty, dirty job. But SOMEBODY has to do it!
I'm sure we'll all be looking forward to reading your reports.
Passepartout
01-04-11, 08:36
Interesting discussion here with Jack and Strav.
I agree with Strav, the "attention to the customer" on sex talk or even intimcity corresponds to our GFE notion.
There is one point where I disagree with both of you: when you say that Moscow is not a monger destination anymore.
I think that we all live here and sometimes you lost the plot as you just consider normal what is an exceptional situation. I mean, try the sex paying market in Paris or London and then go back to Moscow: this city will appear as a paradise.
The other point - very personal opinion - Is that I like so much the russians girls that when I am abroad, I always end in looking for Russian market. In Bangkok, after 2 days of asian pussies and mentality I MUST find a Russian diev to laugh with, to play with, to discuss with.
I believe these girls are still the gem of the planet.
And as said Warren Jack Buffet: look for value not for price. This is why they are still, in my opinion, affordable and at a normal price.
I was in Germany recently and went to a FKK: first you pay your 80 euros entry fees, plus 60 euros for 30 minutes per girl. Of course you do 2 girls as you want to amortize the entry fee. So it costs you 200 euros for a 2 times 30 mns of sex. 30 mns in which it is quite difficult to get a real GFE.
200 euros is 8 000 rubles, you are very close from the 10 000 rubles you will face in HD for instance. Even if you don't speak Russian, in HD if you take your time to find a way to build a kind of relationship with the girl; have some laugh, some talks; and so on, no doubt you will get something back very nice for the 2 or 3 hours you will have with the girl. So finally?
I think that our recommandations for the short_term visitors of Moscow are known and good enough: translate sextalk. Ru (translator will give the global thing not all details but this is enough) , use intimcity and select only girls with good feed-backs, and then you will limit the invoice and get a good service.
For the visitors on a budget side there is also the massages saloons with a happy end (hand job) which are really inexpensive at 1 500/1800 rubles one hour.
Has anyone ever sponsored a girl from mamba? Can you tell me your experiences?
Stravinsky
01-24-11, 15:15
There is one point where I disagree with both of you: when you say that Moscow is not a monger destination anymore.Ppt,
Well, your problem is obvious. You've been living in Russia too long! You lucky bastard. (smile)
I can only dream about what that must be like. Unfortunately, I don't live in Moscow and I may be wrong about this, but I don't think Jake does either. Now that Pizdyets is gone, I believe you and Kurenda are the only members posting here who actually live in Russia.
Now, you can move around freely and do as you please, without too much hindrance, like a fish in water. You've become comfortable with the language, the culture and the women: so much so, that you have become addicted to them.
But cast your mind back, if you can, to that day when you first arrived in Russia. Try to remember how strange it was. The language, the people, the food, just trying to read something as simple as a street sign. Or find your way around the Metro. It can be a strange and overpowering experience. Particularly for someone coming from the West. How long did it take you to overcome that?
And then the women. All those gorgeous women, just sort of, well, you know, walking around. Where did they all come from? And more importantly, how can I meet one?
The most important quality of a mongering destination is that it has to be accessible: in all ways; travel, language, access to women, lodging, food and drink, plus reasonable prices and value. I think Moscow represents none of those any more, at least not for the casual Western tourist.
Think about it. Some guy arrives in Moscow, settles into his 600 Euro / night hotel room and decides to go out for a little nookie. Where does he go? There was a time, years ago, when a place like Night Flight, or even Hot Dogs was a no-brainer. For 200 or 300 USD, you could just grab a girl and go: beautiful girl, all night. Simple.
But those days are gone. Now, the dragons at Night Flight will eat him for lunch and the goblins at Hot Dogs will roast him whole and have him for dinner.
Where does he go? I suppose places like Aurora 911 and Penthouse are fairly accessible. Throw some money at the girl to get in, Mojito is the universal drink request, throw some money at the dancers, pick a girl and stuff a fist full of rubles into her hand and she takes you to the room. I haven't been to Penthouse, but a night at Aurora could cost you 500, 600, or 700 USD. For that kind of money, you could get laid for a week in most of Latin America or Asia.
The brothels are another option. Places like Fantasys or Charmel will actually come and retrieve you, if you are within walking distance. The girls line up, you pays your money and you takes your chance. All for a fairly reasonable price.
But that's pretty much it. A guy who doesn't speak Russian will never connect with anyone else; independent girls, apartment girls, massage parlors, or that cute young thing sitting at the table across from you at Shokolade.
And Mamba? Now there's an exercise in futility. It's going to take a lot of cutting-and-pasting to develop a relationship with one of those girls that will result in anything tangible.
Don't get me wrong, I love Russia. I'm just as addicted to Slavic women as you are. But Moscow is really no place for the casual tourist anymore. If you are there on business and the company is picking up the tab, then yes, by all means, take advantage of what the city has to offer. But don't go there for a few days thinking that you will have the time of your life.
There are more of us living in Moscow, but for various reasons some of us have to retain a lower profile.
My first experience in Moscow was back in 1992 and I have been enjoying the attention of the local beauties since then.
I still speak poor Russian and have found that many younger chicks are still attracted to a foreigner. I remember an experience in the metro last summer and still meet the girl occasionally!
I am very often in NightFlight but not for the dragons. The restaurant is excellent and the bar still has it's attractions, more for conversations as, apart from a freebie in September, I have not had a good GFE experience from here for a long time.
I sponsor a number of girls that I have either met though Omen or from meeting in cafes / bars. I pay then R. 10, 000 maximum per meeting and have never been disappointed. They are not pros, just sexy chicks that don't get laid very often. All are under 30 and happy to please a slightly overweight expat. I even have a little duo who entertain me together for just R. 8000 (for both).
Meeting a 35 year old tomorrow night as fancy trying a MILF (er) experience. Again through Omen.
Thanks to a recommendation I am also trying Badoo, will see what this brings.
Keep mongering!
Ppt,
Well, your problem is obvious. You've been living in Russia too long! You lucky bastard. (smile)
I can only dream about what that must be like. Unfortunately, I don't live in Moscow and I may be wrong about this, but I don't think Jake does either. Now that Pizdyets is gone, I believe you and Kurenda are the only members posting here who actually live in Russia.
Now, you can move around freely and do as you please, without too much hindrance, like a fish in water. You've become comfortable with the language, the culture and the women: so much so, that you have become addicted to them.
But cast your mind back, if you can, to that day when you first arrived in Russia. Try to remember how strange it was. The language, the people, the food, just trying to read something as simple as a street sign. Or find your way around the Metro. It can be a strange and overpowering experience. Particularly for someone coming from the West. How long did it take you to overcome that?
And then the women. All those gorgeous women, just sort of, well, you know, walking around. Where did they all come from? And more importantly, how can I meet one?
The most important quality of a mongering destination is that it has to be accessible: in all ways; travel, language, access to women, lodging, food and drink, plus reasonable prices and value. I think Moscow represents none of those any more, at least not for the casual Western tourist.
Think about it. Some guy arrives in Moscow, settles into his 600 Euro / night hotel room and decides to go out for a little nookie. Where does he go? There was a time, years ago, when a place like Night Flight, or even Hot Dogs was a no-brainer. For 200 or 300 USD, you could just grab a girl and go: beautiful girl, all night. Simple.
But those days are gone. Now, the dragons at Night Flight will eat him for lunch and the goblins at Hot Dogs will roast him whole and have him for dinner.
Where does he go? I suppose places like Aurora 911 and Penthouse are fairly accessible. Throw some money at the girl to get in, Mojito is the universal drink request, throw some money at the dancers, pick a girl and stuff a fist full of rubles into her hand and she takes you to the room. I haven't been to Penthouse, but a night at Aurora could cost you 500, 600, or 700 USD. For that kind of money, you could get laid for a week in most of Latin America or Asia.
The brothels are another option. Places like Fantasys or Charmel will actually come and retrieve you, if you are within walking distance. The girls line up, you pays your money and you takes your chance. All for a fairly reasonable price.
But that's pretty much it. A guy who doesn't speak Russian will never connect with anyone else; independent girls, apartment girls, massage parlors, or that cute young thing sitting at the table across from you at Shokolade.
And Mamba? Now there's an exercise in futility. It's going to take a lot of cutting-and-pasting to develop a relationship with one of those girls that will result in anything tangible.
Don't get me wrong, I love Russia. I'm just as addicted to Slavic women as you are. But Moscow is really no place for the casual tourist anymore. If you are there on business and the company is picking up the tab, then yes, by all means, take advantage of what the city has to offer. But don't go there for a few days thinking that you will have the time of your life.
Ppt,
Well, your problem is obvious. You've been living in Russia too long! You lucky bastard. (smile)
I can only dream about what that must be like. Unfortunately, I don't live in Moscow and I may be wrong about this, but I don't think Jake does either. Now that Pizdyets is gone, I believe you and Kurenda are the only members posting here who actually live in Russia. Strav, You are correct. I do not live here. In fact I am here now and will be here for six weeks this time, I do not live here full time. But for 2011, I will probably spend more than 50% of time here. I have to tell you though that I think a monger's impression if whether a place is a "destination" or not is a matter of interpretation. We have probably come as close to beating this topic to death but the place has changed. For better or worse? I suppose that's matter of opinion. My first time to Moscow was 2005 and the old timers were waxing lyrical and "pinning for the good old days". Today, I long for the good old days of 2005. But like Carly Simon sang in her song,"These are the good old days". For someone coming to Moscow for the first time this year, they will probably have a good time and remember the impression forever with fondness.
If you are there on business and the company is picking up the tab, then yes, by all means, take advantage of what the city has to offer. But don't go there for a few days thinking that you will have the time of your life.But yeah, I do have to agree with you on this point. As a sex tourist destination, Moscow can be frustrating.
Escort Fan
01-26-11, 16:31
As I explained in another thread why is it so hard to find a good escort in Moscow?
Fact #1 : Russians escorts exist in vast quantity and in great quality, as there are bataillions of them in London or Paris.
Fact #2 : Russian escorts often provide great services. Most of the russians escorts I met in London offer A, CIM, DFK etc. While when I look on sites like rusdog or intimacy it seems those services are seldom provided locally.
Fact #3 : if the local market in Moscow has such high demand and such high prices, why are the girls going to western europe to earn a few euros?
Excepticus
01-27-11, 05:57
I'm happy to see that the idea of the prices thread was positive.
I guess it's more value for money. But for that we have all subjective and different opinions. So far. I love Moscow.
I would prefer to have a permanent spring there. Being the main reason how our "friends" will dress.
It's a pitty the last news and I hope this will not affect our hobby and mood.
Stravinsky
01-27-11, 16:10
Fact #3 : if the local market in Moscow has such high demand and such high prices, why are the girls going to western europe to earn a few euros?I don't know, maybe you're better off in London???
Seriously, go to sextalk.ru and do a search for girls 4+ or better. I use 4+ as a baseline because many times an excellent provider can be marked down because of the apartment she's working out of (or is it, the apartment out of which she is working?) You will find all kinds of excellent possibilities for around 3,000 руб/hour.
Forget about the premium dyeffki. Premium price typically = premium attitude.
CastOnThis
01-27-11, 19:33
I don't know, maybe you're better off in London???I was thinking that the girls were trafficked by the Russian mafia. Or what you said.
Mark Darcy
01-28-11, 23:08
...... My first time to Moscow was 2005 and the old timers were waxing lyrical and "pinning for the good old days". Today, I long for the good old days of 2005. But like Carly Simon sang in her song,"These are the good old days".Jake, what has changed in Moscow since 2005?
I also first went to Moscow in 2005 and 2006. And like you, I had heard so much about the "good old days" and that I was too late. I haven't been back since and am thinking about it now.
I have mongered in Russia quite a few time (7) to be exact. I first went there in 98 and thought I'd gone to heaven. It is still as then a mongers paradise. However as we have seen the tirf has changed a bit. Things that have not changed are the number of May December relationships that are going on. This is PART of their society and is widely accepted as normal. You would have to spend some time there but if you do you will be richly rewarded if you are patient and don't get in a rush. I had a friend who married a Russian woman and her son and I hooked up so I had the luxury of having a "goofer" who looked out for me. I had an affair with a gorgeous 20 year old who looked like Virginia Madsen and f""cked like a mink. 100 for the night and she cooked and cleaned the apartment on top of that and took me to the museums and opera's. You can't get any better than that. It's still there believe me. What a pooners paradise.
PeterWas this in 98?
There are more of us living in Moscow, but for various reasons some of us have to retain a lower profile.Yep, Frunzenskaya Nabershnaya now for a couple of years.
I've written before that I don't monger much in Moscow anymore. In 2006 I was bright eyed and keen, but now just have a few provinicial sponsorships that keep me happy.
Occasionally pop into one of the clubs or bars, but very rarely. I'm lucky enough to be paid to travel around the provinces and so invest my money there. The girls in the office still flirt, and that's fun, and I'll catch an eye on the metro and think "why not." but usually pretty quiet in Moscow.
Prices, even for Moscow based Mamba girls (my main source in the early days) are way above what you could get when I first arrived, so I even give them a miss.
Still fun though.
Cheers
Has anyone ever sponsored a girl from mamba? Can you tell me your experiences?I've had six sponsorships of six months or more. Others have come and gone, usually by not meeting one of my criteria.
I have found all of them to be worth every cent I've paid, but it takes some preparation and sticking to what you want to get them to pay off.
I have 10 criteria:
1. English better than my Russian (not too hard)
2. Students, or access to.
3. Bi or willing to try (negotiated in price)
4. Anal or willing to try (negotiated in price)
5. COF or CIM included in price.
6. Available at 24 hours notice, willing or able to stay overnight.
7. Willing to be be a guide, escort, partner in the city if I want company
8. No strings attached, I can terminate at any time, two no shows when I call / text and it's terminated.
9. They can terminate at any time, two no shows when I call / text and it's terminated.
10. Willing and able to pick up other girls so that we can share them.
They have all been provinicial (I did sort of sponsor a school teacher in Moscow early on but it was more for convenience and I didn't apply the criteria listed above).
I set up an email address for each of them so they can write and ask for things, a few of them have done but nothing extravagant.
Leila is my longest, we are coming up on 3 years now. I've posted a couple of pics of her in the photo thread and below, she is an absolute angel. We have been on several holidays, both in Russia and internationally. She's no longer a student but is very helpful when finding a third to join us either through her student friends or at clubs. She's the one that came on the Trans-Siberian that I also wrote about. She gets $2500 US a month. That usually equates to 10-15 days per month in her city, so worst case $250 per day, that's for 10-12 hours in my company. She meets all criteria listed above (although still a bit hesitant on the anal). Her little sister has just moved to Moscow to attend university so is a ripe candidate to be added to the Doghouse.
I broke all my rules with Princess. Well, almost all. Hot as hell, fun to be with most times but with a bit of an attitude. Initially I was prepared to pay her very well and for the first few months and I did, but then she started to renege on some of the agreements so I saw her less. Still pay her a retainer of $500 to see her once or twice a month if Leila is not available. She's so hot I can't resist.
Some of the other good ones include Tania, who was was fun, she and Leila become good friends and we had some great sessions. At the height of her sponsorship she was getting around $1000 per month, that would be for about 8 bi sessions with Leila and I. She would rarely stay the night but that was OK as Leila always did anyway. She doesn't get sponsored anymore but if she is around she'll join us for a one off fee.
Marina and Vera were my first long termers. Probably spent too much on them compared to what I get now, but that's the way with everything.
So, my advice – know what you want, how much you are willing to pay and what you will put up with. It's your money, so you should dictate the terms (mostly anyway). You aren't marrying them, it's a financial transaction but also don't be stingy. If they are like my sponsorships, they are super-sweet girls who just like to earn a little bit more than their circumstances will allow. By way of comparison, Leila works full time and earns less than what I sponsor her for.
I've attached a couple of pics:
Sponsorettes are Tania (R) and Leila (L) and Sponsorette 1a is Leila on her own. The other two are self explanatory.
Hope it works out for you, and more importantly, any girl that you choose to sponsor.
Cheers.
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Yep, Frunzenskaya Nabershnaya now for a couple of years.
I've written before that I don't monger much in Moscow anymore. In 2006 I was bright eyed and keen, but now just have a few provinicial sponsorships that keep me happy.
Occasionally pop into one of the clubs or bars, but very rarely. I'm lucky enough to be paid to travel around the provinces and so invest my money there. The girls in the office still flirt, and that's fun, and I'll catch an eye on the metro and think "why not." but usually pretty quiet in Moscow.
Prices, even for Moscow based Mamba girls (my main source in the early days) are way above what you could get when I first arrived, so I even give them a miss.
Still fun though.
CheersDogger,
Thanks for sharing your experiences with sponsorettes.
Jake
Jake, what has changed in Moscow since 2005?
I also first went to Moscow in 2005 and 2006. And like you, I had heard so much about the "good old days" and that I was too late. I haven't been back since and am thinking about it now. MarkD,
Sorry I missed this earlier.
I think the things that have changed most since 2005 is the prices (gone up) and the general availability of what I would call "nice girls". Today there are the usual complement of skanky ho's and average WG's in all of the usual haunts. But it seems to me that back in 2005 and 2006 there seemed to be a lot more "normal girls" who were working the clubs to earn extra cash. As I remember, they were better dressed, a little more fun, better educated and spoke better English than the posse out there I Moscow today. I still remember the first girl I bought out of Boar House. She was a law student who was quite pretty and was there to earn extra money to pay for a trip to San Francisco for a six week summer internship. She was fun, educated, smoking hot body, pretty good in the sack (but not outstanding) and had a great attitude about what we were doing together. I just don't encounter that much anymore. And CERTAINLY not at Boarhouse (now HD). But don't get me started on HD.
Also, the girls at NF are different. Back then, ALL of the girls were students and spoke VERY good English. Now? Not so much.
Now, I am willing to concede that it might just be my perception that has changed over the years, but I don't think so. I have to wonder what the effect of a more mature economy has had on normal girls to ply the world's 2nd oldest profession.
But. That's just my opinion. You asked. I give you my honest opinion.
Happy trails.
Jake
Bez Bezarra
03-14-11, 02:30
I broke all my rules with Princess.
Hot as hell, with a bit of an attitude.
I paid her very well for the first few months.
She's so hot I can't resist.
147885It took a year, but I'm almost starting to think that I knew her, Dogg.
Angel-goddess of fire with attitude?
Hard bargaining medical student?
Cost more than the other two combined?
Beyond all limits of resistance?
Erased all your doubts that Moscow is for the poseurs?
Something told me, that you and I crossed paths, SOMEWHERE before.
I only had three weeks to get acquainted with her, barely a start, but her potential floored me, back in 2007. I certainly would have kept trying, had business not called me home, and then elsewhere for two final adventures in east UA. By the time I got back to Russia at the end of 2008, she was long gone.
In those last 2 UA provincial stays, I was overly blessed to meet a couple of candyland fireballs that were pretty close though. Leaving them behind was dreadfully painful.
That you hung in there, after her for two years is, well, frankly amazing. Now THAT is mongering!
But I got to say that you let the air out of the legend with THIS pic.
A far far cry from your orig, which gets my vote for the best shot in the history of the the thread.
Stravinsky
03-14-11, 16:17
Now, I am willing to concede that it might just be my perception that has changed over the years, but I don't think so. I have to wonder what the effect of a more mature economy has had on normal girls to ply the world's 2nd oldest profession.Jake,
I think your perception is correct. But it's not so much a matter of the Russian economy has matured, since there really was no economy to begin with. Now there is an economy, and in some ways, Russia is better off than the West since it is not burdened with huge debt. Today, the average young woman in Russia has many more options than she did even 6 or 7 years ago.
Some other factors have also influenced the decline. In the 90's, there were precious few Western tourists in Moscow, so guys like us were interesting to young women, simply by virtue of our nationality. And if you could also speak Russian. Well, then it was like shooting fish in a barrel.
Today there is nothing inherently interesting about Western men for Russian women. Are you an American man in Moscow looking for sex? Get in line and take a number.
Also. 20 years ago, there was only 1 currency in Russia, the US Dollar. With the advent of the Euro and the decline of the Dollar, you and I have lost a lot of our purchasing power.
Time was, those 2 factors made for a potent combination. In 1993, I remember taking Elena to a restaurant in one of the Western hotels in the city center, I think it was the Hyatt. I ordered Twix bars and capuccinnos. At that time, Twix bars were haute cuisine in Moscow. Sitting in an elegant restaurant, munching her Twix bar and sipping her capuccino, Elena was in 7th heaven (come to think of it, so was I). Who would have thought you could get laid for the price of a Twix bar? Now those Were the days!
Not only has the Russian economy matured, but the sex market has matured as well. The dyeffki have figured out what they're worth. It's taken them a while to do it and it sure was fun while it lasted, but, I'm afraid, the party is over.
So, as you have pointed out, what remains are the hard core ho's and the dedicated WG's, who have honed their collective bargaining skills to a fine edge. Now the shoe is on the other foot. Some guy walks into HD or Night Flight and is quoted some ridiculous price for what will ultimately be poor service. What can he do? He has to take what is offered. The only option is to leave empty handed, and for some guy who just spent 1000's of dollars to put himself in Moscow for a week, this is not an option.
..... Who would have thought you could get laid for the price of a Twix bar? Now those Were the days! ............Who indeed?
But that said, I think the thing that many on this board are missing is the tremendous opportunity in the amateur market. OK, I will stipulate that a lot of guys do not want the hassle of having a girlfriend preferring the simplicity of the professional transaction, but the conditions have never been better for finding Russian girls to date. I am not necessarily talking about a one night stand pick up, but girlfriends you maintain a relationship with for sex and companionship.
I am SURE I am not the only one on this board that has a stable of girls that he sees on a rotating basis. What a LOT of Russian girls DO like is the way Western men tend to treat women. Of course, many of us consider that a flaw in and of itself, but the fact of the matter is that some of the girls I sleep with regularly tell me that they are "done" with Russian men. What does that mean? Who the fuck knows? What I do know is that there are about a half dozen girls in Moscow and the provinces who like to meet with me regularly for sex. Suffice it to say that more than an insignificant number of Russian girls have a itch they like to have scratched by a Western guy. And, lucky for many of us, have NO PROBLEM with a 15 to 20 year age difference.
Do any of these girls think that I am having sex with them on an exclusive basis? Not for one second. But they do like the occasional dinner out with a small gift from duty free, maybe a little dancing and then a night of wild sex. What's wrong with that? Not a damn thing wrong with that at all. Like ALL women, Russians like to be made to feel a little bit special and to be transported to a different place (figuratively speaking). The difference, IMHO is that the Russins are not shackled so the same sense of "Middle Class Morality" that seems to have infested the West when it comes to semi-casual sex.
So while the market for paid sex has most definitely changed for the worse, the dating scene has too and not necessarily for the worse (I am finding). These girls have better jobs now, have a better education, better clothes, etc, etc but still live in country where they VASTLY outnumber the dudes. It takes a little more work, but by-golly it's there. And I dare say it's worth it. Please don't confuse this with the sponsor relationship as was VERY nicely addressed by our friend Dogger a few days ago.
Where to find these girls? Well, that's a whole different issue. Dating is dating. No different in Moscow than anywhere else. Got to put yourself out there just like anywhere else whether it's on Mamba, the bar scene, the ice cream shop, or the night clerk at the hotel (Doh! Did I say that out loud?)
Happy hunting.
PS. After stepping off my soapbox, I just realized that this is a PRICING thread. I supposed this should have been in the "Dating Russian Women" thread. My bad.
Stravinsky
03-15-11, 05:43
Where to find these girls? Well, that's a whole different issue. Dating is dating. No different in Moscow than anywhere else. Got to put yourself out there just like anywhere else whether it's on Mamba, the bar scene, the ice cream shop, or the night clerk at the hotel (Doh! Did I say that out loud?)I'm sure there are plenty of guys who would love to have a stable of Russian girlfriends (me included). But it's not a simple matter of choice. It takes time to find these women, time to meet them, time to create a relationship and time to sustain it. Who has time like that? If someone is lucky enough to work for a company that needs his presence on the ground, in Russia, and is willing to pay for it, then dating Russian women can be a viable alternative to the P4P scene.
But for the casual tourist, it simply isn't possible. The good old days of mongering in Moscow really are over. This doesn't mean there aren't still opportunities out there, they just aren't going to walk up and slap you in the face (or kiss you on the cheek). Success will require some thought, some planning, a little imagination, a little savvy and a lot of determination.
But for the casual tourist, it simply isn't possible. The good old days of mongering in Moscow really are over. This doesn't mean there aren't still opportunities out there, they just aren't going to walk up and slap you in the face (or kiss you on the cheek). Success will require some thought, some planning, a little imagination, a little savvy and a lot of determination.Strav, I guess you have gotten right to the crux of the situation. For the casual sex tourist, Moscow is an expensive proposition.
What a LOT of Russian girls DO like is the way Western men tend to treat women.Agree, but still, a Russian woman expects a man to be manly, uncompromising and direct, a behaviour in which Russian men excell, but that is totally unthinkable for many Western men. But you're right, when you combine those qualities with the qualities of the Western male (romantism, emotional generosity, witt, refinement, ect) , then she is all yours.
AColonizer
03-21-11, 19:49
jack993, your report is right;
also it is right what prosal wrote after your report: "agree, but still, a russian woman expects a man to be manly, uncompromising and direct, a behaviour in which russian men excell, but that is totally unthinkable for many western men. but you're right, when you combine those qualities with the qualities of the western male (romantism, emotional generosity, witt, refinement, ect) , then she is all yours.";
also it is right what hecker wrote some years ago (if i don't remember bad) : slavic women are made for slavic men in a slavic country because they are the same species in the same environment;
at the last of all of our words, i always see something similar to darwin's law: it is not important who fucks or how to fuck, but it is important to have sex as much as possible in all variants (pussy, mouth, ass, [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140), fisting, bondage, etc.).
in my opinion:
- the main difference between a successful fucker and an unsuccessful fucker is the first one fucks every living pussy, so he fucks also beautiful young girls because of the law of large numbers, and he doesn't mind any girl and girls like him because he is a lovely bastard, so he gets more opportunities also for long relationships;
- the history has changed, and nowadays the famous beautiful russian girls usually choose wealthy russian men, and breadcrumbs are left to hungry westerners.
i see the history is changing again both eastern and western europe. while we are discussing about russian (and ukrainian) girls because of their past fame, i see, for example, the new generations (now ****d) of italian girls are gorgeous and piggish as much as the famous beautiful russian girls, and moreover they are in a nicer place.
i see a lot of them (now ****d) wore from a bitching way to a emo / punk way, i heard there are some (hidden) contests in italian discos with girls doing blowjobs as many as possible to occasional visitors, i heard they are ready to give their ass just for pleasure.
maybe is that a new hope for the western world?
who indeed?
but that said, i think the thing that many on this board are missing is the tremendous opportunity in the amateur market. ok, i will stipulate that a lot of guys do not want the hassle of having a girlfriend preferring the simplicity of the professional transaction, but the conditions have never been better for finding russian girls to date. i am not necessarily talking about a one night stand pick up, but girlfriends you maintain a relationship with for sex and companionship.
i am sure i am not the only one on this board that has a stable of girls that he sees on a rotating basis. what a lot of russian girls do like is the way western men tend to treat women. of course, many of us consider that a flaw in and of itself, but the fact of the matter is that some of the girls i sleep with regularly tell me that they are "done" with russian men. what does that mean? who the fuck knows? what i do know is that there are about a half dozen girls in moscow and the provinces who like to meet with me regularly for sex. suffice it to say that more than an insignificant number of russian girls have a itch they like to have scratched by a western guy. and, lucky for many of us, have no problem with a 15 to 20 year age difference.
do any of these girls think that i am having sex with them on an exclusive basis? not for one second. but they do like the occasional dinner out with a small gift from duty free, maybe a little dancing and then a night of wild sex. what's wrong with that? not a damn thing wrong with that at all. like all women, russians like to be made to feel a little bit special and to be transported to a different place (figuratively speaking). the difference, imho is that the russins are not shackled so the same sense of "middle class morality" that seems to have infested the west when it comes to semi-casual sex.
so while the market for paid sex has most definitely changed for the worse, the dating scene has too and not necessarily for the worse (i am finding). these girls have better jobs now, have a better education, better clothes, etc, etc but still live in country where they vastly outnumber the dudes. it takes a little more work, but by-golly it's there. and i dare say it's worth it. please don't confuse this with the sponsor relationship as was very nicely addressed by our friend dogger a few days ago.
where to find these girls? well, that's a whole different issue. dating is dating. no different in moscow than anywhere else. got to put yourself out there just like anywhere else whether it's on mamba, the bar scene, the ice cream shop, or the night clerk at the hotel (doh! did i say that out loud?)
happy hunting.
ps. after stepping off my soapbox, i just realized that this is a pricing thread. i supposed this should have been in the "dating russian women" thread. my bad.
i see a lot of them (now ****d) wore from a bitching way to a emo / punk way, i heard there are some (hidden) contests in italian discos with girls doing blowjobs as many as possible to occasional visitors, i heard they are ready to give their ass just for pleasure.
maybe is that a new hope for the western world? you may have a point there. girls of a certain age are not "out there" and "available" just for the fun of it. they weren't during the "glory days" of moscow and kiev and they aren't now in other locations. the phenomenon of cheap pussy is driven by economic necessity. period. a 21 year old gorgeous girl does not wake up in the morning and say,"gee i think i'll go fuck some westerner all night long for $75." never did. never will. behavior like that is driven by needs. my need for pussy and her need for money. when my need is stronger than her need, the price goes up. and that's not just for pros either. girlfriends, wives, mistresses whatever.
the phenomenon you refer to in italy? same thing is going on in london and (if you can believe it) nyc. as girls have gotten better educated and have gotten more credible jobs, so too has their access to visas to the eu and to america.
so maybe the girls have not changed; they have just changed venue?
Passepartout
03-23-11, 07:07
I am SURE I am not the only one on this board that has a stable of girls that he sees on a rotating basis. What a LOT of Russian girls DO like is the way Western men tend to treat women. Of course, many of us consider that a flaw in and of itself, but the fact of the matter is that some of the girls I sleep with regularly tell me that they are "done" with Russian men. What does that mean? Who the fuck knows? What I do know is that there are about a half dozen girls in Moscow and the provinces who like to meet with me regularly for sex. Suffice it to say that more than an insignificant number of Russian girls have a itch they like to have scratched by a Western guy. And, lucky for many of us, have NO PROBLEM with a 15 to 20 year age difference.
Do any of these girls think that I am having sex with them on an exclusive basis? Not for one second. But they do like the occasional dinner out with a small gift from duty free, maybe a little dancing and then a night of wild sex. What's wrong with that? Not a damn thing wrong with that at all. Like ALL women, Russians like to be made to feel a little bit special and to be transported to a different place (figuratively speaking). The difference, IMHO is that the Russins are not shackled so the same sense of "Middle Class Morality" that seems to have infested the West when it comes to semi-casual sex. I could have written every word of that. Totally agree.
Excepticus
04-05-11, 05:08
[QUOTE=Jake993; 1133723]Who indeed?
I am SURE I am not the only one on this board that has a stable of girls that he sees on a rotating basis. What a LOT of Russian girls DO like is the way Western men tend to treat women. Of course, many of us consider that a flaw in and of itself, but the fact of the matter is that some of the girls I sleep with regularly tell me that they are "done" with Russian men. What does that mean? Who the fuck knows? What I do know is that there are about a half dozen girls in Moscow and the provinces who like to meet with me regularly for sex. Suffice it to say that more than an insignificant number of Russian girls have a itch they like to have scratched by a Western guy. And, lucky for many of us, have NO PROBLEM with a 15 to 20 year age difference.
Do any of these girls think that I am having sex with them on an exclusive basis? Not for one second. But they do like the occasional dinner out with a small gift from duty free, maybe a little dancing and then a night of wild sex. What's wrong with that? Not a damn thing wrong with that at all. Like ALL women, Russians like to be made to feel a little bit special and to be transported to a different place (figuratively speaking). The difference, IMHO is that the Russins are not shackled so the same sense of "Middle Class Morality" that seems to have infested the West when it comes to semi-casual sex.
Been on the board for few months now. I am starting to travel to Moscow this September and will make several trips over the next two years.
I would like to meet five. Eight ladies with who I can then meet consistently. I find that there are a lot of fake ads.
I do not speak Russian so I prefer english speaking ladies.
Any help?
Thanks
Been on the board for few months now. I am starting to travel to Moscow this September and will make several trips over the next two years.
I would like to meet five. Eight ladies with who I can then meet consistently. I find that there are a lot of fake ads.
I do not speak Russian so I prefer english speaking ladies.
Any help?
ThanksThe ads are almost all worthless.
Come to Moscow, get in the game, have fun. Repeat.
IMHO the most consistent and professional ladies are on.
www.rusdosug.com
But that's just me.
With each passing year, English is becoming more prevalent on the streets and clubs and Moscow. Don't worry about it. Trust me. If you are in the company of Moscow Pro or Semi-pro who is interested in you, she will find a way to communicate. I have been coming to Moscow since 2005 and living here full time for a few months. The best way to describe the situation is to quote a young lady that I know here. Just for context, I am not currently sleeping with her but we are still fiends and she is NOT a sex professional but a professional in finance."Jake, all girls in Moscow are hungry for sex. Many want husbands but most will settle for some good sex and to be treated nicely."
Jake, all girls in Moscow are hungry for sex. Many want husbands but most will settle for some good sex and to be treated nicely."I'd say that all Russian girls are hungry for emotions. IMO sex is important for them, but still secondary. They are excessively emotional.
The difference, IMHO is that the Russins are not shackled so the same sense of "Middle Class Morality" that seems to have infested the West when it comes to semi-casual sex.Russian women tend to follow their almost childishly naive instinct and the passion of the moment without thinking twice. For them, emotions and passion predominate over logic or reason. It's part of the "Russian Soul".
There is a deep feeling, specifically Russian, of contempt for everything conventional, for everything that most Western people consider as "good" (in a moral sense),"reasonable" or "politically correct".
The female characters in Russian classics (Natasha Rostova in "War & Peace", Aglae Epantchine in "The Idiot", ect) are totally representative of this frame of mind BTW.
I could have written every word of that. Totally agree.I'm also totaly agree.
Alta Reclan
08-28-11, 20:57
I can summarize you the cheapest prices for saloons in Saint Petersburg and Moscow. Compare it.
Sankt Petersburg: 2000R.3000 R. (Saloon Mercedes, Nevsky 92, Salon ChaCha, Caramel etc.)
Moscow: 4000R.4500 R. (Charmel and Fantasys)
There's no difference of quality of girls in these two cities. In Sankt-Petersburg English is little bit more common and also I could see also some latin letters in the metro. I could communicate with the saloon in english to find the adress althoug it was little bit hard. The prices for the hotels look same, transportation is easier in Petersburg since it's smaller than Moscow (we can say it's cheaper). In conclusion I can say that if you look only for saloons, I think Petersburg is a better choice.
Passepartout
09-26-11, 18:37
I was quoted 30 000 rur for "a meeting" with a 9/10 young brunette.
Who pays that kind of price seriously?
Excepticus
09-30-11, 04:00
I was quoted 30 000 rur for "a meeting" with a 9/10 young brunette.
Who pays that kind of price seriously?Moscow. Amazing Moscow. I guess some kind of oligarc would pay that. But she needs to be more than a 10)
If to spend that amount. I would go for the experience of Jake993 in the sauna. I have to recognize I feel intrigued.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?770-Moscow&p=1201301&viewfull=1#post1201301
Putologist
09-13-14, 11:56
EU and the US are extending the sanctions. IMO this will have -unfortunately- a bad impact into to the Russian economy. But what does it means for specific mongering? On the one hand I think the prices, in general, will somehow go down, because for example less imported products will invade the country; in Moscow sometimes I have the feeling I am living in West Europe, because in some shops I only see western European products for sale, the same products, the same brands just more expensive, craziness, where are the Russian industry, where are the Russian cars? (but sometimes you don't have other option than to buy the imported stuff).
Real state prices will go down, but this could be just a short term wave.
In a long term perspective, would it be -financially speaking- good or bad for foreigners / expats / touris looking for paid sex in Russia?
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