FKK Mainhattan- Frankfurt

[Kosher Kowboy]

A lot of guys. I would say 2:1 men / girls.

Was immediately confronted by two Hungarian girls. One blonde with a very pretty face - Yvonna - who Ive since learned is a favourite of Kosher Kowboy. Nearly went to the room with her twice.

First session with Christina. Blonde, Romanian. Pretty but no more than 7/10 with 7/10 body. But really friendly. She too quoted 150/ hour. It is very clear this is the policy of all of the girls here if they can get away with it. I needed a session so suggested my 100/ hour and see how we get on in the hope of persuading her on full service for that. It failed. She is a really lovely girl and good company but it was like having sex with a friend. Though I'the never met her before and I decided to call time after 30 minutes. Expensive 30 minutes at 100 and not worth it. Lovely girl, great BJ and took a decent pounding but probably would not repeat.

I'm Sharks bound but if its poor I'll be heading back to Mainhattan for round two

So. Kosher Kowboy. You'll be glad to know I had an excellent night in Mainhattan and will be back!That is odd, usually the ratio is 20 bored women to 10 bored men. But than again it was Friday night and later in the evening.

Either Yvonna dyed her hair blond (in which case she's fired, I like her dark hair) or there is a second one. Perhaps a second as Yvonna is not Hungarian unless she lied to me and told me Romanian, who knows. An impostor may be in the house.

Christina is somewhat eye candy and survives on her looks and has an on / off switch she decides to activate at times on service. She doesn't get many repeats, most guys wisely fuck her one time and chuck her. Other guys are idiots and repeat with her, one happens to be me. I actually like the girl but started doing her in 2016 in fact on my first visit never stopped except when she left for World.

Enjoy Sharks, if it sucks than enjoy your return to Mainhatten for your Queen "CodeWord901" whoever that may be.

Happy to hear Mainhatten worked out for you.

[Member #4636]

I am guessing her Palace runs in the last three years were probably when I wasn't there as she seems to be a fixture at Mainhatten but not shocking. Several of the gals jump back and forth. Yes, last trip there (well two) so would have been October as I didn't go there in November she was there and every other time this year. Actually I did go there last trip just left after eating and took a taxi to Dietzenbach.

And she is a quiet one, sometimes talks to her friends or when they are talking she just smokes. But she will make eye contact and smile back and you are right, one needs to approach her. Very friendly type. She was good at what she did, never a bad time.I saw her last time last April and never saw her since then. She is not the only girl I saw moving from palace to Manhattan, another girl I saw moving was Leah also Ro and also very nice but not as beautiful as Karina. I know a good friend of her if I see her I will ask where she works now and tell you.

[ExpatLover]

That is odd, usually the ratio is 20 bored women to 10 bored men. But than again it was Friday night and later in the evening.

Either Yvonna dyed her hair blond (in which case she's fired, I like her dark hair) or there is a second one. Perhaps a second as Yvonna is not Hungarian unless she lied to me and told me Romanian, who knows. An impostor may be in the house.

Christina is somewhat eye candy and survives on her looks and has an on / off switch she decides to activate at times on service. She doesn't get many repeats, most guys wisely fuck her one time and chuck her. Other guys are idiots and repeat with her, one happens to be me. I actually like the girl but started doing her in 2016 in fact on my first visit never stopped except when she left for World.

Enjoy Sharks, if it sucks than enjoy your return to Mainhatten for your Queen "CodeWord901" whoever that may be.

Happy to hear Mainhatten worked out for you.Yes Christina was several years in World after moved to M, same owner the HA. She is very bored by the job and after getting some facial surgery she is looking a bit strange for me. I also never repeat with her.

[Kosher Kowboy]

I saw her last time last April and never saw her since then. She is not the only girl I saw moving from palace to Manhattan, another girl I saw moving was Leah also Ro and also very nice but not as beautiful as Karina. I know a good friend of her if I see her I will ask where she works now and tell you.The long black haired Sharon, ' the enforcers' sidekick and Asian chaser?" Sits on Leah's couch. Leah was at Palace in Spring I think as she has been at Mainhatten ever since. Her absence was explained as ' was in RO. Studying'; who knows. I have seen Leah each time I have been there this year since Spring and she seems to run the show. I am starting to wonder if the two city Mafia establishments have some of the same ' enforcers' making sure all are doing their parts so both clubs remain ' +50' on the BBBJ / DFK in the 30/60 min sessions. Not that it really matters, is what it is. Two other girls since my last trip I am told jumped to Palace as well and I was also told by a club regular that the tiny ' want to try her vagina girl' that Siri once asked about came from Palace. As did the girl I did with all the tats last time with the killer body. Irena also has worked Palace I am told. Given all these ' jumps' I really should give Palace a try. Same price, some of the same girls, will be the same result just open up the menu of girls some more.

I haven't seen Leah but once since her return, I think she fell from from my top 2 to my top 5 now isn't even in the top 10. Life is too short to pay for attitudes and hers has room for improvement IMHO. I also thinks Leah might be multi-tasking and wearing ' two hats' at the same time and her role at Mainhatten might be more than just a WG and perhaps her times at Palace are related to this multitask. Bottom line, I really don't give a shit. Price is what it is at both clubs it seems, they seem very firm yet all reports indicate good LUs and except for this Mercedes girl PayforIt ran in to most are reported to have good attitudes.

I think Leah just hates me now as she sees me talking to Asian guests and knows I am probably telling them actual prices and probably also telling them they can save a bit at Oase and Sharks. Leah often asks me what I pay at those clubs too while she tried to pretend she cares when she asks me ' how have you been'

She doesn't give a flying fuck how I have been just what prices are. I will say my room with her was actually good when she was put back in her role on her back fucking and temporarily taken out of watchdog mode. Maybe will try her vagina again, but a few others are too far ahead of her on the depth charts now. Leah is a good girl and I should see her again, shouldn't be so hard on her, can't blame them. They are there for money she's just doing what she is supposed to and she is good at it. The girls run a tight ship.

Even if a ' 50 BBBJ cheater' was reviewed this past week ; but the waters are sharky must keep the cheaters to myself and out of public view :D

[Ulver]

Met a couple of nice guys, then spotted Mercedes. Brunette, Romanian, 9/10 looks and body and 10/10 fantastic natural see cups. I was determined to take her to the room but within 5 minutes of talking to her I quickly decided I really did not like her personality at all. She was a cold fish. I have no issue if a girl would like to say that I'm not for her. They are not compelled to go with guys but I'the had about 30 approaches by then and largely rejected politely so wasn't sure what made her cold. Maybe it was me. So with some disappointment, I told her I wasn't going to the room with her. She told me that she did not expect I would want to. Rightly or wrongly I told her that she had a fantastic body, beautiful boobs, a very pretty face and a truly awful attitude. So much so that I would not look back and regret not taking her to the room. No problem she said and I got the distinct impression that she was not disappointed. Wish she'the just had the courage to tell me if she didn't want to go. Great shame. She was hot.Is this the same Mercedes that used to work in Sharks?

[PayForIt]

So having enjoyed an excellent outing on Friday here, with the superb [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) (blond Ro, Glasses) I was booked into the Maritim in Darmstadt for my next trip to Sharks. After another great workout at Body Culture - 5 minutes walk from Maritim and 18 e entry to an excellent gym, headed to Sharks for 6 pm. LU weak. Went for professional massage. Got food. Watched some football and thought LU must have improved but was disappointed and left. Train to FRA and cab to Mainhattan for the party. Nearly every girl dressed in red for Christmas. Great vibe in the club. Male and female strippers and one ripped dude who could not stand not being the centre of attention who acted like a lunatic. Same LU as previous night.

Food was a better buffet and the salmon was terrific.

Could not take my eyes of Mercedes. No idea if she worked in Sharks before. She is 23 and Hungarian. Superb see cups. Decided I had to take her to the room before repeating with [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) who looked stunning in pink but was engaged with a guy who bought a very expensive bottle of vodka. Surprised to learn later that the girls enjoy NIL commission if the guy buys expensive drinks. That's a first.

I had wondered why such a beautiful looking girl as Mercedes, with impressive natural and very slim, never got customers even on this busy night. The previous night she had been cold as a fish. But as a tourist you cannot ignore the optics sometimes and I took her to the room. She was a disaster. Her service level is dreadful. After 10 minutes BJ she was asking why I hadn't finished. Whilst proceeding to have sex with her it was "don't hold my ankles please", "that's too deep" or "you are too big" (I wish but am not). After 15 minutes I told her I'the had enough, would pay her and wanted out. She asked why. I told her outright that her service level was really poor and this is why she has no customers. She did not look at all perturbed! She even said "maybe we finish again later" to which I responded that I would do so if every other girl in the club was busy.

Waited forever for [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) to finish with her companion with the vodka on the sofa who drank most of the bottle and showed no signs of going to the room. Sharon sat nearby and warned her I was about to leave. [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) jumps up and we head to the room. 90 minutes this time but for some reason not as good as the night before. Maybe I expected too much or was too tired. Same fabulous body and skills but it just didn't live up to the previous night. But I will definitely repeat.

I'the written Mainhattan off before this trip but it knocked spots of Sharks this time, but didn't have the optics of Oase.

Funny how things turn around.

[Kosher Kowboy]

Maritim in Darmstadt

I'the written Mainhattan off before this trip but it knocked spots of Sharks this time, but didn't have the optics of Oase.

Funny how things turn around.How is this Maritim hotel chain? I booked there up in the NRW, hopefully it is not a shithole. Since you booked there and enjoy the finer things in life (like Club Vive) I can only assume it beats the Motel 6 or Super 8 style roach motels.

Seems Codeword901 has also worked at Golden Time as well as in Melbourne, Warsaw, Madagascar and Pattaya. She really gets around! I look forward to the unveiling of this Queen. Actually I do not know where your Codeword901 girl has worked just that whatever her name is comes up in threads around the world all referring to I guess whatever bad name goes with Codeword901.

Or maybe Codeword901 is another word for ' Secret Queen'.

I am happy you have found this overpriced clubs where tourists get screwed out of their money to your liking this trip. I think last time (s) was just when it was in one of those valleys as seems over 3 years it goes through these peaks and valleys (all clubs do but these seem to be of great extreme) but now is good pickings. Costlier, yes. Worth it? IMO yes. I really need to try Palace, I love getting ripped off :D

Good reports.

[PayForIt]

How is this Maritim hotel chain? I booked there up in the NRW, hopefully it is not a shithole. Since you booked there and enjoy the finer things in life (like Club Vive) I can only assume it beats the Motel 6 or Super 8 style roach motels.

Seems Codeword901 has also worked at Golden Time as well as in Melbourne, Warsaw, Madagascar and Pattaya. She really gets around! I look forward to the unveiling of this Queen. Actually I do not know where your Codeword901 girl has worked just that whatever her name is comes up in threads around the world all referring to I guess whatever bad name goes with Codeword901.

Or maybe Codeword901 is another word for ' Secret Queen'.

I am happy you have found this overpriced clubs where tourists get screwed out of their money to your liking this trip. I think last time (s) was just when it was in one of those valleys as seems over 3 years it goes through these peaks and valleys (all clubs do but these seem to be of great extreme) but now is good pickings. Costlier, yes. Worth it? IMO yes. I really need to try Palace, I love getting ripped off :D

Good reports.Her name is very unfortunate. So much so that you could not write it without Codewords coming up! So I'll spell it out. If you take the abbreviation from laugh out loud LOL and then add the ITA to it you'll get there!

Maritim is ok but nothing special. They have a dreadful check in policy meaning if you arrive early you have to pay more to check in. Which I refuse to do. It's ok and has a nice basement pool which is large. I use it because it is 3 minutes walk from the Hauptbahnof in Darmstadt. I wish I'the stayed in Frankfurt again last night but always have to have Sharks on the list.

Nice party in the club and good happy atmosphere. That's it for me in FKKland in 2018. I shall of course be back next year.

[Ulver]

Could not take my eyes of Mercedes. No idea if she worked in Sharks before. She is 23 and Hungarian. Superb see cups. Decided I had to take her to the room before repeating with who looked stunning in pink but was engaged with a guy who bought a very expensive bottle of vodka. Surprised to learn later that the girls enjoy NIL commission if the guy buys expensive drinks. That's a first.

I had wondered why such a beautiful looking girl as Mercedes, with impressive natural and very slim, never got customers even on this busy night. The previous night she had been cold as a fish. But as a tourist you cannot ignore the optics sometimes and I took her to the room. She was a disaster. Her service level is dreadful. After 10 minutes BJ she was asking why I hadn't finished. Whilst proceeding to have sex with her it was "don't hold my ankles please", "that's too deep" or "you are too big" (I wish but am not). After 15 minutes I told her I'the had enough, would pay her and wanted out. She asked why. I told her outright that her service level was really poor and this is why she has no customers. She did not look at all perturbed! She even said "maybe we finish again later" to which I responded that I would do so if every other girl in the club was busy.Sounds like the one that used to work in Sharks. Beautiful Hungarian with amazing tits. I was with her once. Agreed on an hour with kissing up front. 120. The session was OK. Not more not less. I saw her again a couple of days later but then she didn't want to go with me.

[ExpatLover]

Sounds like the one that used to work in Sharks. Beautiful Hungarian with amazing tits. I was with her once. Agreed on an hour with kissing up front. 120. The session was OK. Not more not less. I saw her again a couple of days later but then she didn't want to go with me.Let us not be too naive those type of girls are looking for 5 or even 10 hours booking, I am sure than you will get great service.

[Kosher Kowboy]

Seen a smiling blond little doll, maybe 1,30 high and 30 kg, a little doll. Did somebody try her vagina? She is so small.Siri,

She is 21 years old, very nice girl and great personality. I don't know if she wanted to room with me but she ' used me as an escape hatch. ' I was sitting on a couch next to her (adjacent couch) and she was eating chocolates and a very clean cut well groomed Turkish man ( or Middle Eastern) approached her and before he could sit down she jumped up and sat on my couch and shook her head ' no' at him. She than fed me chocolates and somehow a little piece of chocolate turned in to Euros for her. The man chewed me out in German (no clue what he said) but another well known Mainhatten girl came running over and chewed him out and the security guy came up and talked to him after that. No clue what was up with that guy if she didn't like him or doesn't do Turks in general. Anyway, all worked out well, I got to try her vagina and she made 100 Euros.

As to the little girl her name is Laura, Romanian, speaks a little English enough to communicate but not a full conversation. Very good in the room. Tiny mouth, even smaller vagina. She was my third room of the night and I didn't think I'd be able to fill up a condom but not only did I fill it up when I pulled out the condom was dangling out of her pussy. Super tight, even I felt like a hung horse. If you decide to try her vagina I hope you don't destroy her, even I was told ' no fuck hard'.

I can only assume if you do see her that she will probably be knocked out of commission a week.

Enjoy.

[Sirioja]

Siri,

She is 21 years old, very nice girl and great personality. I don't know if she wanted to room with me but she ' used me as an escape hatch. ' I was sitting on a couch next to her (adjacent couch) and she was eating chocolates and a very clean cut well groomed Turkish man ( or Middle Eastern) approached her and before he could sit down she jumped up and sat on my couch and shook her head ' no' at him. She than fed me chocolates and somehow a little piece of chocolate turned in to Euros for her. The man chewed me out in German (no clue what he said) but another well known Mainhatten girl came running over and chewed him out and the security guy came up and talked to him after that. No clue what was up with that guy if she didn't like him or doesn't do Turks in general. Anyway, all worked out well, I got to try her vagina and she made 100 Euros.

As to the little girl her name is Laura, Romanian, speaks a little English enough to communicate but not a full conversation. Very good in the room. Tiny mouth, even smaller vagina. She was my third room of the night and I didn't think I'd be able to fill up a condom but not only did I fill it up when I pulled out the condom was dangling out of her pussy. Super tight, even I felt like a hung horse. If you decide to try her vagina I hope you don't destroy her, even I was told ' no fuck hard'.

I can only assume if you do see her that she will probably be knocked out of commission a week.

Enjoy.She was very smiling, maybe she thought I would be on her size? But more than 1,70 tall girls tell me I'm big and my Palace Venezuelan who worked all over the World, told me: You are more crazy than me, when she was hot, for sex, you fuck more than 20's guys, and I was not even so extreme sporty with her. I can experience how it s sporty to her limit with Kate who is nearly 1,70 , around 50 kgs and was used to be fucked by 20 Turkish per day / night, but I know she is on her limit with me, and even she knows I'm very careful, I take care of her not to hurt her, but sometimes I feel guilty, asking girls so many times: painful?

So fortunately, Laura is not my type, and it s better like this, because if she attracted me, I couldn't feel comfortable with her, afraid to break her.

Nevertheless, some quite tall girls are small pussy, and I remember Sharks Bulgarian princess Aylice, not more than 1,60, not 50 kgs, but what a real woman vagina, so sporty in bed.

I remember my German escort from December 2017 to February 2018,1,77 fitness model, amazing stamina for sport and vagina, she loved me so much for bed, to cancel appointments, to argue with her management, when I gave her only 50 per 30 mn spent only for sex, not for speaking nor resting after sex nor eating, when her escort rate was 200 for 1 h and 300/350 for 2 hours because she tried to sell anal, usually 300 for 3 hours with 3 rounds for me but too big for her curvy ass. We tried only on our discovery, I couldn t full enter after using 3 fingers to open her hole, we gave up, we never spoke again about, like we never spoke again about money after our discovery in a club, when I met her after in hotel or appartement. Many times she told: I don t want to work anymore tonight, her management was crazy from meetings cancelled, I prefer we rest, shower, and I want to go party with my friends, she proposed I stay with her for Sylvester. But once, when she was angry, sometimes some of my girls, like at LR, can be very angry when things change, she told me: I love how You love me, You are different, why I always choose you and we have different sex, much more enjoyable than Dietzenbach, with a real model, such a beauty, but one more German lost in life, but on 4 January, you became a animal, cumming 3 times in less than 2h30, when I woke up at 6 am on this Thursday, ran at work whole day for her, drove nearly 500 kms, to love her for so much passion after missing Sylvester. She was my highest sexual potential for whole my life, I wish her to find a good BF who will be able to love her, to enjoy her passion for fitness, I wish she stopped with her management of course, as I adviced her to go to Polizei, also to learn to like her image and to take care of her feet. She was a dream, thanks to her, I love her. I remember her eyes asking me: love me, when I was deep inside of her, more efficient than viagra. As soon I cum, I bonobo started again, kissing her, datying her, caressing / licking her, fucking her for hours. Real sports in high altitude help, most of 20's guys who go to FKK couldn t follow. My record is more than 4 hours with 4 rounds for 350, with Katea. Ru Samya on our discovery on end of July 2016. I think she will stay my record, she also made me crazy for sex on this Sunday evening. Angel for behavior becoming animal for sex.

[Sedition]

Sounds like the one that used to work in Sharks. Beautiful Hungarian with amazing tits. I was with her once. Agreed on an hour with kissing up front. 120. The session was OK. Not more not less. I saw her again a couple of days later but then she didn't want to go with me.She was one of my favorites from optics pov when I saw her in sharks a while back but agreed the performance wasn't outstanding. I didn't mind though since I just had to bang for 20 minutes and her body is amazing so it worked out for me: the.

She definitely had a bit of a sour attitude where when I approached I sat with her for a while before she was willing to go to the room and even then it wasn't clear if I was doing her a favor or she was doing me a favor by going to the room.

[Kosher Kowboy]

This past week's trip of six days was split up with four visits to The Adult Day Care Center and three visits to visit the Precious Princesses at FKK Mainhatten. One of the days was a split day when I attended Dietz first and like a German made sure not to vash my cock off and showed up dirty for the Princesses but I will not say which Precious Princess sucked Anna off me. I was actually quite turned on watching one of my Queens lap up Anna and half of Germany in the process. I am picking up some bad habits from the home team I think but when in Rome.

Apologies to the three gentlemen who I was going to meet at Oase but I needed to spend some time with my red toweled wives as some new additions at Day Care kept me there more days than planned as new Queens have been creamed and crowned. The Queens keep shifting and changing as is the case at Mainhatten. The LU was as good as it has been the last few months, and some 50 BBBJ girls are now emerging if willing to aim lower, but still not the slam dunks I have found at Oase and Sharks my last few visits there.

The girls clearly outnumbered the men both visits but enough guys were there to the point there was a que for rooms both times I was there after 22:00 each night. I saw many new faces. It appears girls are coming in from Sharks, Oase, Living Room, Paradise, Golden Time and two girls I met came over from the Hanau Clubs. The variety is great. Despite all the new girls, the usual girls are there. Management per one of the girls is not letting any new ones in to work as not to overcrowd the floor. As to the male guests it appears the Asians at least the few days I was there have bailed on the club, even during the day. Asian attendance is down well over 50 percent IMO from what I saw while on the other hand the Turkish have arrived in mass. At night easily between a third and half the male guests were Turkish.

The remodel is now complete and when you walk in the doors the entire wall to your right is now a very bright, too bright mural of Frankfurt with FKK Mainahtten all lit up. It is a great picture but the lights way too much wattage. Also in the main parlor two spots have naked women all lit up on the wall, very unneeded but the club is much brighter. Overall it looks great but that giant skyline of Frankfurt needs to go, it is blinding.

The food sucked this trip, garbage all three visits. The meats were dried out, the fish didn't taste right, all the potato dishes and starches were bland but on the bright side there was a veggie tortellini dish that was just delicious so I feasted on that. The fries were good! As always very convenient to be able to pour your own sodas and finally they have it pressurized properly and you no longer have to pull the taps slowly a little at a time to avoid too much fizz.

One of the nights some idiots went in the sauna with some scented oil for the water but the morons put it on the rocks and smoked the entire club up. Every window in the club was opened. The hot tub area was opened up. The hallway sliding doors from the men's lockers to the cafeteria were all opened up as well. Front door was wide open too. The door to the back patio was also opened. The entire lounge was cleared out, everyone hung out in the smoking lounge, the cafeteria and several draped towels over their shoulders and stood out front, including myself. Many of the girls who were not busy went downstairs. It took close to an hour for the club to air out but after thirty minutes it was bearable.

These are the girls I can remember that I roomed with, only one girl got more than one session. This visit I was hounded by the girls for sessions, the last few times they knew I was waiting on favorites this time all asked, constantly 'Am I next?' ' When are you going to see me?' etc.

Almost all of my sessions were full 30's, none of them rushed them. Most were paid 100. All my blowjobs were as long as I wanted, gone seem to be the days of 'get me hard than fuck and get out. ' DATY is always permitted no time limits. Kissing has now been added in as well. All seem willing to do what it takes to knock the Queens off and move up the charts of regularity.

In no particular order I saw the following girls. Most I have previously reviewed.

Chantal: Sits on the back side of the bar. Service levels were elevated from the last time, she moved up the charts and deservedly so, has entered the top 3 status.

Yvonna: Sits on the couches behind the two lounge chairs that face the back of the bar although one has been moved away to make room for the Christmas Tree. Top 3 status, probably still The Queen but the heat is on and ' someone' is going to surpass her I think.

Laura: This is the ' Has anyone tried her vagina' petite one Siri asked of who blew off the Turkish man and ended up on my couch and 100 Euros richer. She roams around hunting, she is not an Asian hunter and appears to not want to fuck Turkish men. Very good girl but not in the Queen's race.

Rafaela: She hustled me hard, top notch service this time, as good as the Queens, hangs around the bar taps. She got her hair done, she is looking great now. She moved up a few notches too. Some potential here. She really delivered this time.

Cassandra: Kind of a wild card here, been since 2016 since I did a room with her, without her side kick Ella there hounding me I can tolerate her. She has some new tattoos as well. Sits on the very first stool when you enter the club.

Irena: A superstar as always, maintained her top 3 status. She gives one of the best blowjobs in the club, very unique light colored eyes. She says she is born in Russia raised in Romania, she might be, her facial features seem different than the others and speaks English with a little thicker accent than the others.

Kelley: Still the best value in the club, time exceeded 30 minutes, might have an extra kg or two on her but she makes up for it very well with her attitude and her attitude reigns supreme in the club.

Name Withheld: This one was newer but not new in the club. She has been there just over a few months. The club got packed one night so she sat next to me, was the only place for her to sit. She told me I seemed to know all the girls and had wanted to talk to me earlier but wasn't sure if I would talk to her as I seemed to be very happy with the other girls. That was all I needed to hear. I smelled blood. I became a Shark. I have all kinds of lines here stateside to be granted permission to use my patented Invisible Condom but those lines won't work in Germany so I needed to come up with a new one and it worked just fine. Kissing, DATY, BBBJ, Fucking like God intended us to, 50 e but no CIP. Good enough for me. She was willing to stay beyond the 30 minute mark too but I knew all eyes would be on us and spies would be dispatched to the paybox so I had all intentions of handing her 100 e. At the 32 or 33 minute mark she wanted me to massage her but I knew it was time to kill the session and get the fuck out of the room as not to raise any suspicions. I told her I was ' hungry' so we split. My instincts were right. When we came down the stairs I noticed about ten girls all turn their wrists to look at their watches and the spies were already in place up front to see what I paid. One spy was sitting / squatting at her paybox ' toying with her phone' but one eye on my box (they already knew my box number from previous payments plus it is the same box every trip) and the second spy already in place was also toying on her phone on the opposite side by the cash station. One spy on each side and as I handed her the money the third spy suddenly emerged from the doorway where the hair dryers are and she stared right at that 100 note.

And finally I had to make sure there were no wrinkles and needed to use the iron to make sure everything was crisp and dandy so I made sure to next see the Queen of Mainhatten, the leader of the gang, the boss, The Mother Hen;.

Leah: We've had a love / hate relationship since 1 July 2017 when the new law kicked in but ' alles gut' now and all has returned to the fun and games it used to be. I have seen Leah more than any other Mainhatten girl since I first went to the club early 2016 and this trip was no exception. Leah got double, maybe triple what any other girl made off me this trip.

:D

[ExpatLover]

Sounds like the one that used to work in Sharks. Beautiful Hungarian with amazing tits. I was with her once. Agreed on an hour with kissing up front. 120. The session was OK. Not more not less. I saw her again a couple of days later but then she didn't want to go with me.Sorry but not a good sign for you, in 15 years never a girl I was with was not willing to go again.

[RelaxeDinak]

Hi all,

I will be in Frankfurt from Alaska for a 2 day trip on of all days Christmas and the 26th, so I plan on having Santa (or a taxi) bring me to the Mainhattan club I have been to and possibly Sharks that I have not been to.

Suggestions would be welcome, Please PM me if you don't want to post open,.

Thanks,

Relaxedinak.

[Member #4632]

She was willing to stay beyond the 30 minute mark too but I knew all eyes would be on us and spies would be dispatched to the paybox so I had all intentions of handing her 100 e. At the 32 or 33 minute mark she wanted me to massage her but I knew it was time to kill the session and get the fuck out of the room as not to raise any suspicions. I told her I was ' hungry' so we split. My instincts were right. When we came down the stairs I noticed about ten girls all turn their wrists to look at their watches and the spies were already in place up front to see what I paid. One spy was sitting / squatting at her paybox ' toying with her phone' but one eye on my box (they already knew my box number from previous payments plus it is the same box every trip) and the second spy already in place was also toying on her phone on the opposite side by the cash station. One spy on each side and as I handed her the money the third spy suddenly emerged from the doorway where the hair dryers are and she stared right at that 100 note.Wait, I'm not a seasoned FKK pro, only been 3-4 times. What were they looking for? Do they actually get in trouble for going over 30 min?

[Kosher Kowboy]

Wait, I'm not a seasoned FKK pro, only been 3-4 times. What were they looking for? Do they actually get in trouble for going over 30 min?The girls have pacts in just about every club that ultimately keep service levels / times at their lowest and prices at their highest. Artemis, Mainhatten and the Palace are probably best known for this while one can walk on to the floor of other clubs and ' the girls network alliances' aren't as strong or uniform or exist at all. Most not all girls in Mainhatten stick to this keep the '30 min sessions to 15-20 min' and 'keep the hour sessions to no more than 45-50 minutes. ' However, girls will keep their regulars the full time or club regulars will tend to get the full time. Most of the girls will all stick to their guns on +50 for BBBJ in all sessions. Several girls will cheat the alliance and do their own thing. Some of the girls refuse to be part of these pacts and prefer to sit alone as ' lone wolves' and just make their money and do their thing. This club is smaller and easier for the girls to stick together as opposed to a Sharks with so many girls the best pact they can hope for is probably large chunks of girls sticking together and having ' mini pacts'; no way you get get 70-100+ girls all on board w/o tons of broken links. 20-40 is much easier.

It wasn't so much about the girls seeing me pay 50 or get extra time. It was more so as I did not want to raise any future red flags if I see this girl again as she isn't my usual type and I know some of the girls were probably curious why I picked her and assumed I got a deal and at the same time they want to know if this girl is ' on their team or the other. ' I didn't want anything to be out of the ordinary upon return from session as I plan to fuck her with the invisible condom again but do not want the main group of girls to wonder what she is doing in the room others are not so I felt it best to at minimum keep time and payment steady with what I pay other girls ' up to 30 minutes and 100 e (50+50)' and this is why when we got to that 30 min mark it was time to go. I don't want the girls putting pressure on her for the future (as has happened with other girls in this club who cheated the Mafia with me) nor do I want them to think I am any more of a snake than they already think.

All that being said, this is why I took one of my old favorites (The team leader in this club) to the room a few times once for a full hour and we also had a 'discussion' as I would like to be more ' free' in the club to roam and play and pay as I choose and can find to my ability w / o the heat on and at the same time they don't want me telling their bread and butter they are getting ripped off nor tell other guys if you go to this club or that club you can pay less. We reached a mutual agreement, call it striking a deal with the devil or sleeping with the enemy. I really didn't realize how if I get there early no matter how late I stay if I tell an Asian guest (even one) the real prices those gentleman seem to network all day long and come evening even though the one I talked to may be gone the ones remaining all got wind of the pricing structures from their friends earlier and also the same guys I talk to inform future guests. So as part of my deal I am no longer allowed to talk to other men about prices and I am to tell them ' all depends on the girl, have to ask'. I basically now do what I want there but in return I do not discuss what goes on with prices there nor at other clubs with the other male guests; I am only ' allowed' to discuss such with the regular club guests who all know me and visa versa.

[Member #4636]

The girls have pacts in just about every club that ultimately keep service levels / times at their lowest and prices at their highest. Artemis, Mainhatten and the Palace are probably best known for this while one can walk on to the floor of other clubs and ' the girls network alliances' aren't as strong or uniform or exist at all. Most not all girls in Mainhatten stick to this keep the '30 min sessions to 15-20 min' and 'keep the hour sessions to no more than 45-50 minutes.If you have shoot your load after 50 minuted why stay another 10 minutes for? Especially when there is no chemistry with the girl.

[BigBuddy69]

Maybe because you paid for it and that's her job to entertain you for 60 minutes?

[Chongmal]

If you have shoot your load after 50 minuted why stay another 10 minutes for? Especially when there is no chemistry with the girl.I think the point was the ladies tell you 20-25 minutes is actually 30 and 40-50 minutes is 60. This is regardless if you finished or not.

[Member #4636]

I think the point was the ladies tell you 20-25 minutes is actually 30 and 40-50 minutes is 60. This is regardless if you finished or not.I agree but the pleasure staying with them after you finish just for 5-10 more minutes is just useless for me. Unless you have good chemistry with the girl and you want to know her better. I am talking just for 5-10 minutes and not 20 or more. In that case a good massage is always welcome.

[Newton York]

I just got a message from a fellow hobbyist, and it reminded me of my time in the FKK's, and I'm thinking it's high time I report on it. At least on this one, since I spent the most time here. This was a little time ago, but I feel like it could still be applicable. If you're a regular there and know the girls, based on what I'm saying you'll probably be able to guess when this was. This was before the condom laws. I have a feeling most if not all these girls might still be there. Correct me if I'm wrong please. I spoke to Alexia from Romania, Nina and Ines from Moldova. Wanted to go with them, but my notes tell me I didn't. I did however go with Czech Jana. She was tall, on the darker side, thin, and I remember it as being a pretty good time. I remember a Sharon from Romania that was pretty good too, but I recall a Romanian Carmen in the banana room that wasn't quite good. I remember it because of the banana, maybe the banana room is gone, but it was there when I visited, and I felt like she had shorted me on time or something. I quickly guessed that 30 min isn't really 30 min, and an hour isn't really an hour. But there in lies the difference with the Czech girls. I remember them giving me the full time paid for. Very nice.

The second trip to Mainhattan. I spoke to Ines again, still didn't go with her, But there was a Karla there, claimed to be Italian, didn't go with her, vibe felt weird.

I didn't manage to get her name, there was this Romanian girl, tattoos on her back I think, very aggressive. Was quite a turn off. She was always with her friend, those 2 made quite a pair and I got the feeling they targeted weak, touristy looking guys like me, but I didn't bite. I did a Nina from Moldova, super nice, very friendly. Sorry dudes, forgot the details. Just wrote down notes. Can't even remember if she was blonde or brunette. There was a Violetta from Romania, who in my notes to myself, I said she looks a little like Eva Green. I think for me the star of the show was Czech Antonella. If you've read my posts, you know how much of a fan I am of Prague, so we had a good time laughing at my bad spoken Czech. She almost convinced me to do a threesome with Jana. All 3 Czech girls there were very nice and most important to me, friendly. Antonella in the room is something I still remember to this day, she was accomodating, kind, friendly, lots of DFK, I went down on her and she tasted great. She's stunningly gorgeous, not super thin, but just the right amount of not fat. Almost like pornstar Sunny Lane, but with bigger tits. It was summer then, and we were sweating too. It was fantastic to me. I almost fell in love with her. Her english was great too.

My third, and if I remember correctly last trip here, I spoke to Nikoletta from Hungary. I can't be sure but I may have done her. If she's who I remember then she seemed very genuine and friendly, not the hottest, but definitely doable, and was cool with DFK. This was the day that I met Suzannah from the Czech Republic. She was this tall statuesque blonde goddess type. She could easily say she was Swedish or Norwegian, I'd buy it. I remember her, because when we were fucking, she switched us over to doggy and in almost an instant I came. She did something with her pussy, that just squeezed me out. It was like magic. Not as good a time as her friend Antonella but still pretty damn good. My notes tell me I spoke to Donna and Julie from Romania that day as well. Can't remember if I did them. Should have gone during happy hour, could have offset taxi cost.

This place was my first FKK visit, in my time in Frankfurt, I made day trips to Oase and Sharks. I'll report on those someday. Not for any particular reason, but I have a preference for mainhattan because of the ease of getting here. That's it. If sharks was easier to get to, I'd go there multiple times too. I remember having a boat load of cappucinos while at mainhattan, that the food wasn't that great. And it being somewhat smaller than sharks and oase. And that aside from a handful of girls, most of the girls were pretty laid back and not too aggresive. But enough time has passed that I have no idea what mainhattan is like now. I'm sure it's still the same, but I learned back then that to get the most out of the girl, it's best to just do the 1 hour 100 euro thing. Sure, you mostly won't get the 1 hour, but they try harder. Combined with Oase and Sharks, I had some can't even be bothered to do 15 min, when I paid for 30 min experiences, but I guess that's just the game we're in. One thing to note, back then, negotiations centered around specifically whether COF, anal or CIM was included. Almost all did BBBJ without extra, most did DFK without extra too. From what I've been reading, things have changed a lot?

[Kosher Kowboy]

This place was my first FKK visit, in my time in Frankfurt, I made day trips to Oase and Sharks. I'll report on those someday. Not for any particular reason, but I have a preference for mainhattan because of the ease of getting here. That's it. If sharks was easier to get to, I'd go there multiple times too. I remember having a boat load of cappucinos while at mainhattan, that the food wasn't that great. And it being somewhat smaller than sharks and oase. And that aside from a handful of girls, most of the girls were pretty laid back and not too aggresive. But enough time has passed that I have no idea what mainhattan is like now. I'm sure it's still the same, but I learned back then that to get the most out of the girl, it's best to just do the 1 hour 100 euro thing. Sure, you mostly won't get the 1 hour, but they try harder. Combined with Oase and Sharks, I had some can't even be bothered to do 15 min, when I paid for 30 min experiences, but I guess that's just the game we're in. One thing to note, back then, negotiations centered around specifically whether COF, anal or CIM was included. Almost all did BBBJ without extra, most did DFK without extra too. From what I've been reading, things have changed a lot?I agree on all; it is my club of choice outside of the Day Care Center debauchery and I probably go there maybe 20-25 times a year. It is simple to get too, hop the Tram 11 and there in 30 minutes or less for 2,75 e. Food isn't great but sometimes it is very good but in the summertime the BBQ is excellent and no lines ever. The coffee machine is still there to drink all the cappucinos you desire. Girls not as aggressive as their counterparts elsewhere. It is 50430 and 100460 now but BBBJ is +50 however there are some girls doing the BBBJ inclusive in the 50/100 but not a lot but the wall of unity the girls have been under since the new law was used to upsell is cracking. One of the upper tiered girls there offered a monger friend 100 for 30 minutes BBBJ / Fuck / CIM which is normally 150 (the BBBJ and Fuck alone is 100) so she basically tossed in the CIM for ' free' and this girl is no slouch in the LU very close to the top perhaps Top 5.

I got an AO session for 100 but she offered a BBBJ / DATY / Fuck for 50 initially.

Another two girls see me for 50 e w BBBJ but they aren't in the upper end of the LU middle of the road.

I know many girls there but not all; I am sure some of those are still there but haven't met them myself. I started going early 2016 and I think there are about 15 girls tops who have been there since than the rest are newer or came from other clubs; Sharks, Oase, Palace, Bahama, Atlanta, Paradise, World, Babylon, Living Room, Sakura are some of the clubs that come to mind.

2016 was a great / good LU there, 2017 the LU went to shit but this past year it slowly started getting better in the spring and in the summer some very good ones arrived and as of my last visit the LU is as good as it has been but I would guess the average age of the girls is 2-3 years higher than the girls at Oase or Sharks.

[Sirioja]

I just got a message from a fellow hobbyist, and it reminded me of my time in the FKK's, and I'm thinking it's high time I report on it. At least on this one, since I spent the most time here. This was a little time ago, but I feel like it could still be applicable. If you're a regular there and know the girls, based on what I'm saying you'll probably be able to guess when this was. This was before the condom laws. I have a feeling most if not all these girls might still be there. Correct me if I'm wrong please. I spoke to Alexia from Romania, Nina and Ines from Moldova. Wanted to go with them, but my notes tell me I didn't. I did however go with Czech Jana. She was tall, on the darker side, thin, and I remember it as being a pretty good time. I remember a Sharon from Romania that was pretty good too, but I recall a Romanian Carmen in the banana room that wasn't quite good. I remember it because of the banana, maybe the banana room is gone, but it was there when I visited, and I felt like she had shorted me on time or something. I quickly guessed that 30 min isn't really 30 min, and an hour isn't really an hour. But there in lies the difference with the Czech girls. I remember them giving me the full time paid for. Very nice.

The second trip to Mainhattan. I spoke to Ines again, still didn't go with her, But there was a Karla there, claimed to be Italian, didn't go with her, vibe felt weird.

I didn't manage to get her name, there was this Romanian girl, tattoos on her back I think, very aggressive. Was quite a turn off. She was always with her friend, those 2 made quite a pair and I got the feeling they targeted weak, touristy looking guys like me, but I didn't bite. I did a Nina from Moldova, super nice, very friendly. Sorry dudes, forgot the details. Just wrote down notes. Can't even remember if she was blonde or brunette. There was a Violetta from Romania, who in my notes to myself, I said she looks a little like Eva Green. I think for me the star of the show was Czech Antonella. If you've read my posts, you know how much of a fan I am of Prague, so we had a good time laughing at my bad spoken Czech. She almost convinced me to do a threesome with Jana. All 3 Czech girls there were very nice and most important to me, friendly. Antonella in the room is something I still remember to this day, she was accomodating, kind, friendly, lots of DFK, I went down on her and she tasted great. She's stunningly gorgeous, not super thin, but just the right amount of not fat. Almost like pornstar Sunny Lane, but with bigger tits. It was summer then, and we were sweating too. It was fantastic to me. I almost fell in love with her. Her english was great too..A quiet club where can rest, have sleep in spa bed, usually manage with foods, breakfast is usually not bad, fortunately can prepare my own drinks in restaurant because bad service from bar.

Unfortunately, no more woman types like blond Czech Suzy / Suzanna on August 2015 , nor beauties like jolie Sara discovered when we were going to room with Suzy. One hour later, after I paid Suzy, I went straight to Sara.

My last high level girl was Maria on Spring 2018 , could fall in real fire in bed, reproaching me: You know how to take advantage of women, but we repeated on same day. Unfortunately, never saw her again.

Club don t worth more than 50 € for me, 65 is too expensive, due to really average casting for my tastes. No room on my last visits.

[HectorG]

Stupid question: Where is this "Adult Day Center Center" I keep reading about here? I tried searching the forums and Google and couldn't find any FKK with this name. Can someone provide a link or location? Thank you.

I'm heading to Frankfurt in a few weeks with a 12 hour layover and I'm trying to narrow it down to one FKK. I've been to Oase and Palace but willing to try new places.

[Der Auslander]

Adult Day Care is a euphemism used by Kosher Kowboy for FKK Dietzenbach.

www.FKK40.sex

Please note that the webpage FKK-dietzenbach.com brings you to the website for a totally different club (FKK Atlanta in Hanau). Go figure!?

FKK Dietzenbach is noted for its low-level pricing (Euro 40 per 30-minute session) and reputed specialist services (AO appears to be on offer at least to regular customers). If my understanding is correct most of the women are primarily of Romanian origin (most are actually Roma) and in my opinion, in terms of optics, the majority probably would not cut it in the more conventional Frankfurt area clubs; FKK Oase / Sharks / World / Mainhattan / Palace / Rom. The club is small (by comparison to Oase / World / Sharks) and facilities at this club more basic.

The club is popular with some who fly trans-continental to get there. Many others would not drive down the road to visit. Again go figure!?

:D

[Kosher Kowboy]

Adult Day Care is a euphemism used by Kosher Kowboy for FKK Dietzenbach.

www.FKK40.sex

Please note that the webpage FKK-dietzenbach.com brings you to the website for a totally different club (FKK Atlanta in Hanau). Go figure!?

Club is noted for its low-level pricing (Euro 40 per 30-minute session) and reputed specialist services (AO appears to be on offer at least to regular attenders). If my understanding is correct most of the women are primarily of Romanian origin (most are actually Roma) and probably would not cut it in the more normal Frankfurt area clubs; FKK Oase / Sharks / World / Mainhattan / Palace / Rom. The club is small (by comparison to Oase / World / Sharks) and facilities at this club more basic.

The club is popular with some who fly trans-continental to get there. Many others would not drive down the road to visit. Again go figure!?

:DSomeone hacked the original URL hence the new one, the. Sex one is the correct one as posted. Not much of a site, kind of reflective of the club. Usually there are 2-3 Bulgarians and often 1 Hungarian and the balance are all Romanian, if true ' Gypsies' or not I am not sure I just like to call them collectively ' The Gypsies' . And Der Auslander is right, I like to call it Adult Day Care, The Adult Day Care Center and Alice's Day Care Center but I am just guessing here I think within a year we may not see much of Alice as theke anymore; time will tell.

Many trans-continental flyers do love the club but on any given day they make up a maximum (tops) of 10 percent of attendees if even. Perhaps under 5 percent. I talk to most guys in the club and well over 90 percent are German and half of them guys I have seen before. I do see each trip an American but not daily and some of these guys are repeats. Of the Germans who do go daily I will say about all of them come from the FRA area but on weekends once again the trans-continental flyers make up a tiny portion probably less than 5 percent as weekends bring in the guys from Austria and Switzerland as well as guys from Stuttgart, Bonn, Cologne, Dusseldorf many guys from the NRW who attend the AO clubs up that way but come to Dietzenbach for the variety. Weekends also bring in the Euro guys who fly in on hoppers from the UK, France, Italy and several drive in from Belgium and Luxembourg and one group who really loves this place are guys from Finland, Norway, Denmark and Sweden. IMO fly-ins are fly ins regardless if they flew in from Chicago, Tokyo, London or Rome. All are fly ins. All are tourists. Unless one is local to Frankfurt or Germany one is a tourist and/or a fly in. None of us are Germans. All of us are tourists. Unless you can hop in your car parked at your German residence than you are tourist no matter how you slice the pie. Only difference between a guy from Texas, a guy from South Korea, a guy from Copenhagen or a guy from Cork is the distance/hours flown. Locals do not need their passport to reach Germany .They are not tourists. Every one of the rest of us is and the percentage of tourists at Dietzenbach is tiny, in the Big 5 bump it up an easy 30-70 percentage points at any given time.

The percentage of these ocean hoppers in Dietzenbach is actually very low although steady and consistent and at any time half of the Americans I do meet there are there on business, already in Europe doing other things and a few pilots I have met there as well over time love the place. Asian attendees are up as well, I used to see one per week now I see two per day every week.

If one wants to see high transcontinental mongers this club is probably the last one to go to, Sharks, Oase and Mainhatten are full of fly ins.

[Der Auslander]

The club is popular with some who fly trans-continental to get there. Many others would not drive down the road to visit. Again go figure!?The above phrase was laden with irony which is very much in keeping with the humor of my home country (the Emerald Isle); so apologies if that were not obvious; and I am aware that many locals (Germans from Stuttgart and Bonn and Cologne and Dusseldorf) do attend the club and that others customers are from the US (Chicago / Texas) and Japan (Tokyo) and Ireland (Cork) and Austria and Switzerland and UK and France and Belgium and Luxembourg and Italy and Finland and Norway and Sweden and South Korea! Not sure but you may have forgotten a few countries there KK? Serbia or maybe North Korea perhaps?

The point I was trying to make is that whether you are a local or from another country; FKK Dietzenbach is very much a hit or a miss. You either like what is on offer in this club or you will go out of your way to avoid the place!


Many trans-continental flyers do love the club but on any given day they make up a maximum (tops) of 10 percent of attendees if even. Perhaps under 5 percent. I talk to most guys in the club and well over 90 percent are German and half of them guys I have seen before. I do see each trip an American but not daily and some of these guys are repeats. Of the Germans who do go daily I will say about all of them come from the FRA area but on weekends once again the trans-continental flyers make up a tiny portion probably less than 5 percent as weekends bring in the guys from Austria and Switzerland as well as guys from Stuttgart, Bonn, Cologne, Dusseldorf many guys from the NRW who attend the AO clubs up that way but come to Dietzenbach for the variety. Weekends also bring in the Euro guys who fly in on hoppers from the UK, France, Italy and several drive in from Belgium and Luxembourg and one group who really loves this place are guys from Finland, Norway, Denmark and Sweden. IMO fly-ins are fly ins regardless if they flew in from Chicago, Tokyo, London or Rome. All are fly ins. All are tourists. Unless one is local to Frankfurt or Germany one is a tourist and/or a fly in. None of us are Germans. All of us are tourists. Unless you can hop in your car parked at your German residence than you are tourist no matter how you slice the pie. Only difference between a guy from Texas, a guy from South Korea, a guy from Copenhagen or a guy from Cork is the distance/hours flown. Locals do not need their passport to reach Germany .They are not tourists. Every one of the rest of us is and the percentage of tourists at Dietzenbach is tiny, in the Big 5 bump it up an easy 30-70 percentage points at any given time.

:D

[Kosher Kowboy]

Not sure but you may have forgotten a few countries there KK? Serbia or maybe North Korea perhaps?

The point I was trying to make is that whether you are a local or from another country; FKK Dietzenbach is very much a hit or a miss. You either like what is on offer in this club or you will go out of your way to avoid the place!I will be on the lookout for some North Koreans, maybe Kim will read this and dispatch one to sample this upscale establishment; but I can honestly say if a NK showed up he would love the place and seek asylum in Germany :D

I agree it is a hit or miss club and even for those who like it can easily be a miss if the LU sucks or one shows up after dinner to a bunch of sore Gypsy pussies. I happen to be one, next trip it will be a ' miss' as this time of year stinks just as bad as early September. Guess I will be spending more this next trip without my budget friendly Gypsies in abundance.

I would say I would like to make it a goal to convert you in to a ' Gypsy fan' this year but my gut tells me I have a better shot to find a North Korean in the club eating sausages wondering how he can defect. Actually, the North Korean will have to settle for Hot Dog Soup as the sausages have been shelved for the winter.

[Der Auslander]

I would say I would like to make it a goal to convert you in to a ' Gypsy fan' this year but my gut tells me I have a better shot to find a North Korean in the club eating sausages wondering how he can defect. Actually, the North Korean will have to settle for Hot Dog Soup as the sausages have been shelved for the winter.I appreciate the kind thought but keep an eye out for some of Kim Jong-un's relatives for next time you are in FKK Dietzenbach. Whatever about the rights and wrongs of the special services which are on offer, generally speaking the optics just would not be there for me. Club Globe would be more my Valhalla and not the aforementioned establishment.

[HectorG]

I appreciate the kind thought but keep an eye out for some of Kim Jong-un's relatives for next time you are in FKK Dietzenbach. Whatever about the rights and wrongs of the special services which are on offer, generally speaking the optics just would not be there for me. Club Globe would be more my Valhalla and not the aforementioned establishment.LOL. Thank you all for the advice. No wonder I could not find it, it's an insider joke! I have a good budget for this trip so I will take a pass on ADDC. I'm willing to pay for both looks and service.

[Der Auslander]

LOL. Thank you all for the advice. No wonder I could not find it, it's an insider joke! I have a good budget for this trip so I will take a pass on ADDC. I'm willing to pay for both looks and service.If I were you I would give FKK Sharks a go. Along with FKK Oase its probably the biggest and best of the Frankfurt Area FKK Clubs. The club always has a strong line-up by comparison to all the other local FKK Clubs (including FKK Oase). Certainly now gets more reports in the Germany FKK Clubs section of ISG than any other club. Its about 20 Kilometers from Frankfurt Airport and mostly all motorway. Outside of rush-hour traffic the journey should be quick enough. A taxi fair should be about 50 or 60 one way (taxis are easy enough to get at the club) or you might be able to rent a car for the day for around the same money.

[TejaIdharHai]

Hey Guys.

I'm planning to try out FKK club in Frankfurt.

Let me know if anyone is looking to join.

[TheRugdr]

Hey Guys.

I'm planning to try out FKK club in Frankfurt.

Let me know if anyone is looking to join.You've copied and pasted this message on the threads of multiple FKK clubs, when it belongs on the thread titled:

"Travel Announcements Only (No questions or comments please)".

Have fun.

[Locke0000]

While I was in Frankfurt for work last month I thought I would try an FKK for the first time. As I mentioned in the Frankfurt thread I tend to stick with escorts, especially ladies I find on kaufmich. But, I thought I would at least try it once. After not having not luck with the RDL earlier in the week, I was a little apprehensive about the LU I would find. I did not want to trek all the way out to Sharks or Oase, so I thought a ride on the 11 tram would not be too far and worse case scenario I over pay for some average food. After a night of partying with work colleagues and few clients I awoke with the Irish flu. I made my way down to the hotel lobby for stiff bloody mary to help ease the pain. Then I began the trek to the 11 tram and off I went. I arrived at Mainhattan on a Saturday just before 1300 when price goes up. I paid the extra 5 for the robe and began my day. By the point I was feeling a little better and was regaining my appetite. I found my way to eating area where I was somewhat to surprised to find the food not that bad. During the walk there and back I met a few ladies who were coming in for their shift, all insisting that I meet up with them shortly. There were two Hungarian ladies who were attractive and quite charming, but I did not session with either. I won't go minute for minute of my day but I will highlight some of it. Until 1400 I was the only non Asian (south Asian or east Asian) male. There were about 10 men and maybe 12 ladies until closer to 1600. I was pleasantly surprised that most of the ladies were fairly attractive, I would say all at least 7/10. After chatting with a few getting a lay of the land, I decided to with Orelia. An early 20's Romanian with natural Cs. I told her I just wanted a standard 30 for 50. She happily obliged. Everything covered, multiple positions, seemed to really enjoy herself, wasn't mechanical nor did she watch the clock. I finished after 20 or so minutes and she insisted on a back rub until 30 was up. I gave her an extra 10 as I thought the service was much better than expected.

Met some more ladies had a little more to eat, drank plenty of water as I had now spilled three cups (2 from the night before) in the last 18 hours. By 1600 the place had around 20 ladies and maybe 12 men, most who different from earlier. Another young Romanian, Dina, came by and she reminded me of someone I see on TV so I opted for another 30 for 50. Her service was OK, not bad but not a good as earlier. She was not a clock watcher and did not rush. She did try talking me into another 50 for GFE but I was fine everything covered. What stood out about Dina was how tight she was. I commented that she worked our her muscles and she gave a blushing smile. It felt great.

So now it is getting closer to 1700. I had plans to meet work colleagues again later in the evening for drinks, so I stayed a bit longer to see if I could muster up a final cup. The ladies were now all over the bar and lounge area, most were aggressive as I walked from the locker rooms to the spa area. I was in the spa area and one lady knocked on the glass wall with her nails to get my attention as she sat in the chair next to the door. I politely waved at her to suggest no thank you. Maybe 10 minutes later I went back into the lions den to get some more water and she pulled me aside. I told her I was not interested. She was very insistent that I at least sit. She said she was bored to at least we could kill some time chatting. I replied so long as she new I was not interested and that if she thought she could persuade me to a room it was a waste for her time. She said that's fine, have a seat. She introduced herself as Kelly (or maybe Katie). She said was born Hamburg and her family was Slovenian. She was attractive, tanned skins, doe eyes, very large and well made tits. For the most part someone I would I probably see as an escort, but I just wasn't in the mood. After about 10 minutes of her trying to get me into a room I told her no and I needed head to the WC. I went back into the spa area where I later heard her walking by to look for me. I didn't inform her I need to sit and stand for trip. When I did come back out she more insistent that we go to a room. I told her no, then after some back and forth I said I was done and was to get dinner. Her reply was they were closed. I just laughed at her and reminded her from the beginning I was not going to room with her. She got pissy and I left. Then a few minutes later I see her walking out around the dinning room. When she sees me she asked if I was ready. I finally became crass and said no, not happening. Now I was agitated. I went back in the bar area and lounge and sought someone out. If she would have been far less aggressive I may have eventually found her and said yes. Now it was around 1930 there were about 25 ladies in the bar area, lounge, and smoking room. And as it turns out almost all of the room were filled. There were about 20 or so men and the place was busy and lively. After a few quick chats I found Maria, a stunning looking mid 20's lady who said she was from Moldova. She had dark blond hair, great golden tan, and looked brilliant. After some initial conversation her personality and quick witted humor made it easy to ask for a room. One final 30 for 50. I briefly told her what had happened earlier and she made sure to strut me through the room as if to say I bagged him. This cheekiness made me like her even more. We get to the room and again I find her humor to be a turn on. The sex was pretty intense, but didn't feel rushed. She told me "I'm not ridding you until 29 1/2 minutes". While a person could take this a rushed session, I found it more of in line with her personality and enjoyed her intensity. After about the 20 minute mark I finished my third cup of the day, fifth in 23 hours. She cleaned me up and promised if I did 60 minutes with her that it would be even more fun. After I paid her she gave me a deep kiss and I went back to the locker room to clean up and head off.

Over all I thought the LU was very good, far better than I was expecting. All three of my sessions were worth the 60 and 50 it cost, I had plenty of money on hand but I rather liked the concept of 50 for 30 and see who provides what at the base point. The food, while not great, was not bad. The place was clean and the smell of smoke stayed in the smoking room. My only complaint was the one who could not take no for the answer. There was one blond worker who came up to me later in the evening making sure I was seeing ladies and not just sitting around. I joked with her and assured her not to worry. I wonder if this was the "queen" KK speaks of.

One last thing, as I was walking back to the tram stop around 2100 I couldn't help think that if I were a thief, the area around the corner from the club and a few blocks before the main road would be ideal to rob someone. It was dark, quiet, and you have to guess a bloke walking toward the club had a good amount of cash on them. Has anyone had an issues leaving the club during the later hours on their way to the tram or do most taxi back?

If work brings me back to Frankfurt I think a return will be in order.

[Jolokia]

Seen a smiling blond little doll, maybe 1,30 high and 30 kg, a little doll. Did somebody try her vagina? She is so small.She is Laura? Does she still working at Mainhattan or other FKK? Very nice girl.

[Arnold15]

.....Next week, I will visit Mainhattan again. Last time was August 2018.

Any news? Or business as usual? Ella still there?

[Kosher Kowboy]

Next week, I will visit Mainhattan again. Last time was August 2018.

Any news? Or business as usual? Ella still there?LU still great, a good 6-7 of them are jumping back and forth between Mainhatten and Palace; Palace IMHO is worth a visit for you (better food as well). Same prices, often some of the same girls; minimum 5 familiar faces from Mainhatten each time been to Palace (this year so far) . No upselling at Palace beyond the usual 'city tax' and a few cheaters as well to sniff out. 100 hours can be had at both the 50 all inclusive seems much harder. The cartel seems much less intact than in the past at Mainhatten and huge turnover from August 2018.

Ella has been there on and off this year but I have Mainhatten and Palace on a 50/50 split this year but 90% or more of my time is now devoted to the shit holes in blue collar or immigrant heavy areas with 30 Euro entries or less in crummy neighborhoods. I prefer women to robots and stained red sheets to a fresh white sheet and the mainstream showers are just too freaking clean for me as I much prefer piles of standing water full of fungi and bacteria puddled up for one or two days and no vashing, the ' cuffs match the collars'.

Mainhatten has been redone since you went, an annoying lit mural of the FFMain skyline brightens up the room too much but other than that they did a good job. Have fun on your trip. Hot tub is still cold FYI.

[Arnold15]

LU still great, a good 6-7 of them are jumping back and forth between Mainhatten and Palace; Palace IMHO is worth a visit for you (better food as well). Same prices, often some of the same girls; minimum 5 familiar faces from Mainhatten each time been to Palace (this year so far) . No upselling at Palace beyond the usual 'city tax' and a few cheaters as well to sniff out. 100 hours can be had at both the 50 all inclusive seems much harder. The cartel seems much less intact than in the past at Mainhatten and huge turnover from August 2018.

Ella has been there on and off this year but I have Mainhatten and Palace on a 50/50 split this year but 90% or more of my time is now devoted to the shit holes in blue collar or immigrant heavy areas with 30 Euro entries or less in crummy neighborhoods. I prefer women to robots and stained red sheets to a fresh white sheet and the mainstream showers are just too freaking clean for me as I much prefer piles of standing water full of fungi and bacteria puddled up for one or two days and no vashing, the ' cuffs match the collars' :D

Mainhatten has been redone since you went, an annoying lit mural of the FFMain skyline brightens up the room too much but other than that they did a good job. Have fun on your trip. Hot tub is still cold FYI.Thanks for information.

I was in Frankfurt in November last year on a job conference.

I had planned 2 days at conference + 2 days at Mainhattan.

But after the conference dinner I got a heavy stomach dicease. Then, no sex for 1 week.

However, no costs for me as my employer paid hotel + flight tickets.

[Kosher Kowboy]

Thanks for information.

I was in Frankfurt in November last year on a job conference.

I had planned 2 days at conference + 2 days at Mainhattan.

But after the conference dinner I got a heavy stomach dicease. Then, no sex for 1 week.

However, no costs for me as my employer paid hotel + flight tickets.Enjoy your visit if you go, say hi if you see me there but more likely than not I will be at Day Care or up north as my field officers inform me one of my missing Queens is either at F39 or Grimberg now, been spotted at both the last 3 days. She needs my Euros.

[Apollyon]

While I was in Frankfurt for work last month I thought I would try an FKK for the first time.Thanks for the report. Reminds me of the writings of a once upon a time contributor to this board.

[Member #4636]

Enjoy your visit if you go, say hi if you see me there but more likely than not I will be at Day Care or up north as my field officers inform me one of my missing Queens is either at F39 or Grimberg now, been spotted at both the last 3 days. She needs my Euros :DManhattan is a very good option while in Frankfurt. Easy access with tram 11 or 12 or taxi (10 E from HBF), big, and places to move around or relax, nice wellness area and a small but relaxing garden to enjoy some fresh air. From 3-4 pm enough girls to choose and also less upsell than other clubs (Palace in example). I would say it is option number 2 after Sharks for someone who visits Frankfurt area.

[Sirioja]

Manhattan is a very good option while in Frankfurt. Easy access with tram 11 or 12 or taxi (10 E from HBF), big, and places to move around or relax, nice wellness area and a small but relaxing garden to enjoy some fresh air. From 3-4 pm enough girls to choose and also less upsell than other clubs (Palace in example). I would say it is option number 2 after Sharks for someone who visits Frankfurt area.For me, Oase and Palace are the most interesting castings, after 8 pm.

[ExpatLover]

Manhattan is a very good option while in Frankfurt. Easy access with tram 11 or 12 or taxi (10 E from HBF), big, and places to move around or relax, nice wellness area and a small but relaxing garden to enjoy some fresh air. From 3-4 pm enough girls to choose and also less upsell than other clubs (Palace in example). I would say it is option number 2 after Sharks for someone who visits Frankfurt area.Sorry I don t think it is a big FKK like Shark or Oase, also a tourist trap specially for Asian guys and Turkish club after 10 PM.

[Member #4636]

For me, Oase and Palace are the most interesting castings, after 8 pm.I don't know about Oase but palace is like a box of chocolates. I have been there on a Saturday night and it was disappointing.

[PayForIt]

After a disappointing night at Palace I jumped a cab to Mainhattan.

Decent LU (as there has been for some months).

Ina. New slim brunette was tempting, as were several others including one enormously tall blonde. Good personality, but this was a night when I finally decided I'd room with Sharon / Cheron?

Not so facially pretty but great body and on several occasions in this club she has helped me with other ladies. Giving advice etc.

Decided to try her and it was a great decision. Excellent service - 90 minutes and excellent fun. Would return and repeat.

Mainhattan has a great friendly vibe and a sexy friendly receptionist in Jasmine. The bar ladies are also very friendly and the DJ will play requested music.

Best club so far this trip.

[Sirioja]

I don't know about Oase but palace is like a box of chocolates. I have been there on a Saturday night and it was disappointing.I love white chocolates, at the moment I don't even need to go to Switzerland to buy some, but at GT, or Oase when she will send me she is back, but no hurry, better for me at the moment she takes her time to enjoy and eat good at home, then I can enjoy beauties from Vienna and I was happy to live my dream born on a night at Samya, few months ago, she worked only 1 day at Samya, we didn't have room because too complicated for me, but I found her again at GT, she became lovely and really good sex in bed, but not on same GFE level than 2 Vienna's. I like to live my dreams.

[Rovereto]

Hello,

I miss Mainhattan from last August, but I have been a regular there for a long while.

I was tempted to go in these months but I didn't yet. I would go only if LU has really changed with respect one year ago.

Did anybody get any news about Donna? The queen of the club that retired in September.

Thanks in advance.

[Kosher Kowboy]

Mainhattan has a great friendly vibe and a sexy friendly receptionist in Jasmine. The bar ladies are also very friendly and the DJ will play requested music.

Best club so far this trip.Glad you are enjoying the club, I agree with your sentiments. Great mix of new girls from many other clubs and seems all the old school girls are back too in full force. I was surprised last visit there to see larger crowds than usual during a non messe time. Lots of German guys too recently. Several former Sharks there as well.

The food is still hit or miss but good enough! Tons of good choices now. Including some very poorly behaved Gypsies.

[Steve 9696]

Glad you are enjoying the club, I agree with your sentiments. Great mix of new girls from many other clubs and seems all the old school girls are back too in full force. I was surprised last visit there to see larger crowds than usual during a non messe time. Lots of German guys too recently. Several former Sharks there as well.

The food is still hit or miss but good enough! Tons of good choices now. Including some very poorly behaved Gypsies :DWelcome back buddy. We've missed you. I have to admit when I visit Frankfurt you've convinced me to try Mainhattan. I've done Sharks, Oase, World and Palace. Mainhattan must be conquered! Sounds worthy.

P.S. I am headed to Brazil soon. You should branch out. I'll show you the ropes!

[Kosher Kowboy]

Welcome back buddy. We've missed you. I have to admit when I visit Frankfurt you've convinced me to try Mainhattan. I've done Sharks, Oase, World and Palace. Mainhattan must be conquered! Sounds worthy.

P.S. I am headed to Brazil soon. You should branch out. I'll show you the ropes!You will enjoy the club. Right up your alley. Brazil maybe in 2020 or beyond as all months are accounted for this year and with the stock market in the red that means red couches the rest of this year from Dietzenbach to Dortmund and points in between. I prefer shit holes but Mainhatten gets a pass. Other than that it will be all RTC's and smaller clubs full of smoke without greedy and arrogant princesses; I feel at home in them.

Let me know when you go, maybe we can meet up and overspend together.

[Arnold15]

Glad you are enjoying the club, I agree with your sentiments. Great mix of new girls from many other clubs and seems all the old school girls are back too in full force. I was surprised last visit there to see larger crowds than usual during a non messe time. Lots of German guys too recently. Several former Sharks there as well.

The food is still hit or miss but good enough! Tons of good choices now. Including some very poorly behaved Gypsies :DI was at Mainhattan yesterday. Great LU. I had 2 sessions with a girl I had not met for 2 years.

Do you turn up on Friday or Saturday?

[Kosher Kowboy]

I was at Mainhattan yesterday. Great LU. I had 2 sessions with a girl I had not met for 2 years.

Do you turn up on Friday or Saturday?I'll be elsewhere, give you a hint.

Red couches.

I hope you enjoyed your trip. Sadly I have to return home soon as it looks like I will end up using my maximum days per my passport allowance need to save some time for the rest of the year!

And fix up my house get it ready for sale or a renter. Cash out or cash flow. Time to pay the CPA not the Gypsies; they have made plenty.

Happy travels, see you over there again I am sure.

[McGrath]

Well we all have different taste. I was at Mainhattan two weeks ago and my eyes still hurt. Terrible LU. 3 rooms and not any good performer. Only Sharks worth visiting in Frankfurt at the moment.

[Pessimist]

Well we all have different taste. I was at Mainhattan two weeks ago and my eyes still hurt. Terrible LU. 3 rooms and not any good performer. Only Sharks worth visiting in Frankfurt at the moment.For guys who prefer slim, young gazelles with pretty faces, Sharks is an easy choice with Oase being a 2nd possibility albeit with a higher risk of bad service and upsells.

Typically the guys liking other Heasen clubs optically prefer bigger butt girls, PSE providers, older women etc.

[PayForIt]

For guys who prefer slim, young gazelles with pretty faces, Sharks is an easy choice with Oase being a 2nd possibility albeit with a higher risk of bad service and upsells.

Typically the guys liking other Heasen clubs optically prefer bigger butt girls, PSE providers, older women etc.I could not disagree more. I visited both clubs last weekend. Sharks is my favourite club but the LU was dreadful with a lot of fat girls. Oase LU was miles better and then Mainhattan next. There are not many really pretty slim girls in Sharks right now.

[LaBambaBoy]

I could not disagree more. I visited both clubs last weekend. Sharks is my favourite club but the LU was dreadful with a lot of fat girls. Oase LU was miles better and then Mainhattan next. There are not many really pretty slim girls in Sharks right now.I was there 10 days ago, and both Oase and Sharks had plenty of slim fit bodies. ¯

[Sirioja]

I could not disagree more. I visited both clubs last weekend. Sharks is my favourite club but the LU was dreadful with a lot of fat girls. Oase LU was miles better and then Mainhattan next. There are not many really pretty slim girls in Sharks right now.Unfortunately, I can just confirm very average casting at Sharks, only Melissa and Stella pretty for me, on a Friday. Elena, Amanda, Edina have pretty face but not sexy enough for body.

[Turgid]

Taste is an individual preference. To all guys visiting Frankfurt my advice is to visit all the clubs if you have time; that way you'll get maximum enjoyment from the FKK experience. Your beauty may be working in another club and you may completely miss her if you visit only one.

[Lefeu]

Taste is an individual preference. To all guys visiting Frankfurt my advice is to visit all the clubs if you have time; that way you'll get maximum enjoyment from the FKK experience. Your beauty may be working in another club and you may completely miss her if you visit only one.I absolutely agree, and I have been doing just that in my yearly FKK visits.

[Arnold15]

I'll be elsewhere, give you a hint.

Red couches.

I hope you enjoyed your trip. Sadly I have to return home soon as it looks like I will end up using my maximum days per my passport allowance need to save some time for the rest of the year!

And fix up my house get it ready for sale or a renter. Cash out or cash flow. Time to pay the CPA not the Gypsies; they have made plenty.

Happy travels, see you over there again I am sure.I had 3 great days at Mainhattan. Line-up is really good in May / June. With both slim and curvy bodies.

8 great sessions. 4 * Cindy, 3 * Aurelia and 1 * Ella 😀.

Best club in Hessen for relax.

Breakfast best in test. But lunch and dinner only ok this time.

Service level however lower than in Dusseldorf clubs.

[Kosher Kowboy]

Taste is an individual preference. To all guys visiting Frankfurt my advice is to visit all the clubs if you have time; that way you'll get maximum enjoyment from the FKK experience. Your beauty may be working in another club and you may completely miss her if you visit only one.I too will absolutely agree with this as well. For Frankfurt and up north. I loved doing just Mainhatten until I started to mix in Sharks (never liked Oase from the get go but tried it) and than one day was dragged out of Sharks and mongernapped to a shithole with red couches and everything changed :D

I really have zero desire to do the mega clubs anymore to me they are RTC clubs on steroids upselling entry fees offering food, fancy saunas and steam rooms and nice layouts and furniture and strobe lights and and all the works to cover up the bare bones that still boil down to a bunch of men in there with cash to fuck a bunch of hookers. No insult to others but I won't let fancy lockers / pay boxes, lights, a hot tub, a sauna a lavish buffet fool me. A brothel is a brothel. I have a sauna and steam room and Olympic size pool here in Texas and all the food I can eat. I don't need to fly 5000 miles each way for that crap. I will (my personal choice not knocking others) fly to go to places where one gets great service w / o attitudes from nicer girls and small clubs where you can avoid all the ' hey baby let's go make something special'; ' I missed you no come in many months I have been thinking about you' etc. Yeah right, ' go fuck yourself, cut the acting out. ' Give me a flat rate no negotiating fun atmosphere with a bunch of fun local guys and I am happy. The last time I went to Sharks I went because a guy from Dietzenbach wanted to see it before he went home so we split an Uber. 90 minutes later a taxi dropped us off at Dietzenbach. :D This tripod left Sharks unfucked and very happy. For some going to Sharks every visit might work and if so I am happy for those guys, or Oase or wherever. Whatever makes you tick is all that matters and anyone else's opinion is worthless to finding your own way however everyone's opinion and choices should be respected for the simple matter it works for them.

I'll also note as in the case with Mainhatten it too will also always be a home and I have seen the lineup shitty and great and most recently great but if you stick to one club you like long enough you will see the LU rotate and go up and down and not only that the Oase, Sharks and Palace and World girls also pass thru the Mainhatten LU now and than too. I still will take Mainhatten over any of the other clubs in the area and the Bahama Club is also a great place to avoid all the fake bullshit, meet a bunch of great local guys (in my case the Dietz guys go there too) and you all can read between the lines on that. Atlanta too.

Maybe I have just been to Mainhatten so much I do not see the girls as stuck up or arrogant or maybe they are nicer than the Sharks or Oase girls (IMHO they are) and I am biased but I will say as much as I find the Sharks to be fake and arrogant that to this day both Luci / Hanna and Mandy are two of the best WG's I have come across not only in Darmstadt or Germany but anywhere and would be worthy of a trip there for anyone; Mandy's pink Geldautomat is still full of large crisp bills but don't think I have anytime to make it down there with what I have booked thru the end of the year so in that sense I am missing out on two great girls and Sade for that matter who I am told is back down there. When I walked out of Sharks to go to Dietzenbach in that Taxi I was with an Asian friend who had such a good time at Dietz as I hand picked his 3 girls for him but once we got to Sharks I saw nothing but girls who disrespected him and tried to gauge him with bullshit purely based on ethnicity and having seen how nice the Gypsies were to him even bumping guys in que to squeeze him in as a favor to me it really told me not just where I want to be but exactly where I don't want to be.

And from that day on Germany for me has been better than it ever has been and getting better by the trip. To quote my friend from Houston ' Germany has something for everybody up to you to find it'.

My mistake started day one when I thought mongering for 27 years made me know it all. I don't care if you have been a monger since the days of George Washington (he loved prostitutes) or never mongered before as IMO Germany is a whole new beast and animal and a learning curve is there. The truth of the matter is what HB / RN once posted ' you have a long way to go, keep trying, you will get there' and the guy was right. I met him and things started to change than I decided to join up with the locals from Gypsy Land. Listen to them, let them guide you as no one knows the country and what it has to offer like the home team and they do get the best service. By far and for less. Not only that if you play your cards right they will get you the best service and I can say with 100 percent accuracy hearing stories of shit service in the NRW that if I tried a do it yourself program no way would I be batting 100% on my Catholic exams. Not one misfire.

The above is just my story, take it for what it is worth and do what works for you.

But I do have two mega club stops to make as I have promised one guy from here and one guy from nearby that we will go to Sakura so i can give a non Hessen club a chance and World as well just to see it. Maybe I will like it.

[Pessimist]

It is good advice to try out as many clubs as possible to figure out what suits you best. It is always a bad idea to listen to someone else's advice and exclusively rely on other men's reports to figure out where to do your mongering. Only you know your mind, heart and cock. You should figure out your most optimal mongering water holes by yourself, and the best way to do this is to sample as many as possible and settle down to your favorite ones.

I have been a FKK visitor for roughly 9 years now, but I have been mongering for nearly two decades. I probably visited a dozen different FKK clubs in my life, but AO is not my cup of tea. A few years ago, I was spending as much time in NRW as in Hessen and some additional time in other clubs such as Artemis and occasionally Stuttgart and Munich area. Over time, Hessen and the mega clubs have been gaining more of my wallet share and time and mind share. Early on, I was club hopping and driving from place to place. Now I see little advantage in such a strategy and have less energy to waste on driving around and hopping between clubs.

For the most part, my tastes are mainstream. I desire model looking types. I am here to fuck younger girls, I. E. Less than 23 or 24 year olds. I am a volume consumer, meaning I take 4 to 6 sessions daily for 4 to 6 days in a row. I take a mix of half hour sessions, one hour sessions and a few very long sessions. I need deep kissing, DATY, and BBBJ in every single session and occasionally I take CIM and anal. I will ask for ball suck and rimming and will take them but will not pay for them. I never ever take AO.

For my requirements, the megaclubs are the best fit and Sharks has been taking nearly half my FKK budgets in the last few years now. I do have my regulars but I also want to fuck as many girls as possible. When you take as many sessions as I do per trip and layer on top the requirement of wanting to have at least half of those sessions be with fresh new girls to me and them needing to be younger, skinny model types, it necessarily has to be a big club with more than a hundred girls per day.

There is a reason why the Mega clubs are mega clubs. They have both the largest number of girls and guys. Guys go where girls are and girls work where guys monger. So, yes, the smaller clubs will have their devotees and niche fans but you can't argue with the numbers. The mega clubs cater to the largest number of mongers and with good reason. The niche club mongers can think their tastes are superior and their discerning ability is greater and look down on the Megaclub mongers but it does not matter. In the end, mega clubs cater to the most guys and niche clubs cater to the guys with their more specialized tastes (or those locals who do not want to stray too far from home).

And BTW, I too live in a warm weather state in the US. It feels like a sauna here in the summer. And I have my own pool in my home. So, I agree with KK below. I don't go to the clubs for pool, sauna and food. I actually detest Sharks' food. I get over this by consuming a hearty lunch in a nice restaurant in Frankfurt prior to going inside the club and I stock a few snacks, bars, and fruits in my car / carry bag for the club. I am not a big eater and have been cutting down my food intake to stay in shape as I grow older, and it seems the lousy food food of Sharks is actually helpful in my quest.

[Ulver]

I had 3 great days at Mainhattan. Line-up is really good in May / June. With both slim and curvy bodies.

8 great sessions. 4 * Cindy, 3 * Aurelia and 1 * Ella 😀.

Best club in Hessen for relax.

Breakfast best in test. But lunch and dinner only ok this time.

Service level however lower than in Dusseldorf clubs.Hej.

I just like to know if the Aurelia you met is the brown haired ro girl with really nice quite large tits that has been working there for years? If so do you know if she will be working in June?

[Arnold15]

Hej.

I just like to know if the Aurelia you met is the brown haired ro girl with really nice quite large tits that has been working there for years? If so do you know if she will be working in June?Aurelia from Romania has black hair in ponny tail. Half curry body. 25 years, 160 cm. Nice tits, but not extremely large. She will probably work in June, since she has apartment in Frankfurt.

[Kosher Kowboy]

So, I agree with KK below. I don't go to the clubs for pool, sauna and food. I actually detest Sharks' food. I get over this by consuming a hearty lunch in a nice restaurant in Frankfurt prior to going inside the club and I stock a few snacks, bars, and fruits in my car / carry bag for the club. I am not a big eater and have been cutting down my food intake to stay in shape as I grow older, and it seems the lousy food food of Sharks is actually helpful in my quest.I don't quite detest it (haven't had it in ages) but even so I grew sick of it so I can relate to you not wanting to eat it either. The Mainhatten grill in the summer is really good IMO. Regardless the food at Sharks seemed to be the same shit every fucking time. For 65 e a little more variety sure would have been nice. I like to eat out too as you do. I always eat the hotel breakfast and will not stay at any hotel that lacks a lavish buffet breakfast. But my dinner is kind of like your lunch, you eat on the way in to the club and I like to dine out after the club. I like to reminiscence about my day lovemaking to the Gypsies over a delightful and hearty meal and I like to dine on Kaiserstrasse when in Frankfurt and when in the NRW I like to dine on Ruttenscheider strasse. I agree with you that filling the belly at a nice restaurant is a great idea and can enhance our FKK Experiences. In my mind if dinner doesn't cost more than it costs to screw a Gypsy for 40 minutes or more (without the standard KK tip) than I ain't eating right.

I like the Mainhatten cafe by the way, nice and quiet and relaxing. I never felt at home dining at Sharks. Seems everyone walked around in white, blue and pink prison outfits in a massive zoo of folks carrying trays almost seemed like institutionalized eating in some white collar prison like Michael Cohen is in now where everyone dwells on their next parole date. I think the next time I go to Day Care I will steal a sandpaper towel and wear it at Sharks, maybe I will feel more at home.

[Ulver]

Aurelia from Romania has black hair in ponny tail. Half curry body. 25 years, 160 cm. Nice tits, but not extremely large. She will probably work in June, since she has apartment in Frankfurt.Thank you. I think this is the Aurelia I was looking for. Haven't seen her for years.

[Kosher Kowboy]

She is Laura? Does she still working at Mainhattan or other FKK? Very nice girl.


Hello,

I miss Mainhattan from last August, but I have been a regular there for a long while.

I was tempted to go in these months but I didn't yet. I would go only if LU has really changed with respect one year ago.

Did anybody get any news about Donna? The queen of the club that retired in September.

Thanks in advance.Jolokia,

The girl commonly called ' I'd like to try her vagina' that Siri has mentioned is indeed named Laura. She is a fun girl but I have not seen her in the club the last few times I have been there.

Roverto,

Sorry I missed this post kind of drifted down but Donna has been there this year but I personally have not seen her myself only been told by other club regs she has surfaced but very rarely, even comes for one or two days and is gone.

Let us know if you make it to Mainhatten and I hope you are lucky to find Donna. If not IMHO the best blowjob in Mainhatten now is served up by Karrina and she really is a great girl not be missed. If you do make it here feel free to return the favour to the forum and contribute a review of this venue.

There is also another very beautiful girl who goes back and forth between here and the Palace by the name of Helena. Although her oral services are not as good as Karrina's she is total eye candy and has the tiniest pussy. She is also tiny and one can easily cup her fanny in their two hands.

[Takedown]

I know it seems like it's the cool thing to point out the negatives of mega clubs because going to small clubs makes one feel like a cool hipster finding boutique places off the beaten path. It may even make one feel like a connoisseur. Unfortunately for this discussion, the fact remains that if you prefer high optics, you're not going to find more than a couple, if any, model level optics at Mainhattain, Dietz, Atlanta, Bahama etc. With the one or 2 higher optic girls at Mainhattan, I get sick of doing the same 2 hot girls over and over again. At least a club like Sharks gives optics minded mongers an opportunity to pull good service from a variety of hot girls. As for food quality, tasty food is pretty high on my list of life's great pleasures; and after vacationing in Italy immediately before hopping over to Germany, the food is certainly not "terrible" as many posters often claim.

The point is, this mega club bashing is only pertinent for mongers who are content with significantly lower optics standards. Everyone has the freedom to patronize the club style that fits their preference, but let's keep some objectivity here.

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[Arnold15]

I know it seems like it's the cool thing to point out the negatives of mega clubs because going to small clubs makes one feel like a cool hipster finding boutique places off the beaten path. It may even make one feel like a connoisseur. Unfortunately for this discussion, the fact remains that if you prefer high optics, you're not going to find more than a couple, if any, model level optics at Mainhattain, Dietz, Atlanta, Bahama etc. With the one or 2 higher optic girls at Mainhattan, I get sick of doing the same 2 hot girls over and over again. At least a club like Sharks gives optics minded mongers an opportunity to pull good service from a variety of hot girls. As for food quality, tasty food is pretty high on my list of life's great pleasures; and after vacationing in Italy immediately before hopping over to Germany, the food is certainly not "terrible" as many posters often claim.

The point is, this mega club bashing is only pertinent for mongers who are content with significantly lower optics standards. Everyone has the freedom to patronize the club style that fits their preference, but let's keep some objectivity here.With respect to girls, it is a big big difference between Mainhattan on the one hand, and Atlanta, Dietz, Bahamas on the other hand.

I was at Mainhattan three days this week and the line-up was better than ever. Not comparable with the other clubs you mention.

Slim, normal and curvy bodies whatever your preferences are.

Mainhattan has a large advantage compared to mega clubs like Sharks, Oase and Palace.

A relaxed and calm athmosphere. Up-selling very rare.

Non-approach in the relax area.

I really appreciate this, since I prefer to have sex with girls in combination with a spa visit.

I have a very pressing job with respect to productivity, financing, profits. Therefore, the worst thing I know when I visit a club is people running around pressing me and trying to get me to a room as fast as possible and start offering extras, etc.

[Pessimist]

Generally, I agree. I said many of the same things in a prior comment below.

I like to think members who point out some negatives about mega clubs or praise the smaller clubs are doing so simply because that's how they genuinely feel, and not for the sake of appearing to be hip and cool. Let us hope not. We are all here to write about our genuine likes and dislikes, and this anonymity provided courtesy ISG allows us to express our opinions honestly. There is no reason anyone should fudge their real views, at least no logical reason.

But yes, smaller clubs will have their specialized traits and will attract their share of specialist devotees with their particular needs. But it is the mega clubs which have a hundred girls a day, more than a couple hundred in a week, and have the most number of high optic, young and slim girls. While some mongers will have more tailored needs, majority of guys are looking for mainstream things which include some kissing, a bit of BBBJ and fucking with good looking girls.

I said this in another post a few days ago. In the long run, the mega clubs will consolidate and will become bigger catering to the majority of mainstream club goers and specialist, smaller clubs will have their smaller fan bases. It is the middling, medium sized undifferentiated clubs which are in danger of being out competed and losing business and eventually shutting down.


I know it seems like it's the cool thing to point out the negatives of mega clubs because going to small clubs makes one feel like a cool hipster finding boutique places off the beaten path. It may even make one feel like a connoisseur. Unfortunately for this discussion, the fact remains that if you prefer high optics, you're not going to find more than a couple, if any, model level optics at Mainhattain, Dietz, Atlanta, Bahama etc. With the one or 2 higher optic girls at Mainhattan, I get sick of doing the same 2 hot girls over and over again. At least a club like Sharks gives optics minded mongers an opportunity to pull good service from a variety of hot girls. As for food quality, tasty food is pretty high on my list of life's great pleasures; and after vacationing in Italy immediately before hopping over to Germany, the food is certainly not "terrible" as many posters often claim.

The point is, this mega club bashing is only pertinent for mongers who are content with significantly lower optics standards. Everyone has the freedom to patronize the club style that fits their preference, but let's keep some objectivity here..

[Craiova]

I know it seems like it's the cool thing to point out the negatives of mega clubs because going to small clubs makes one feel like a cool hipster finding boutique places off the beaten path. It may even make one feel like a connoisseur. Unfortunately for this discussion, the fact remains that if you prefer high optics, you're not going to find more than a couple, if any, model level optics at Mainhattain, Dietz, Atlanta, Bahama etc. With the one or 2 higher optic girls at Mainhattan, I get sick of doing the same 2 hot girls over and over again. At least a club like Sharks gives optics minded mongers an opportunity to pull good service from a variety of hot girls.

The point is, this mega club bashing is only pertinent for mongers who are content with significantly lower optics standards.LOL It's useless to discuss this with tourists like you, claiming to be insider bc spend some weeks every year at German FKK clubs.

How many times were you at Bahama, Atlanta, Diez or Mainhattan? I wait for your answer und your connection with your reports?

Only for a really small club like Bahama. Ever heard about Justin, Sophie, Bianca, Misha? Quite sure: No! But spaming this board with your opinion and claiming these are facts.

And compare Diez and Mainhattan same level. Sorry you have zero knowledge of the German FKK scene.

Sharks is only a fuck factory, full of smoke and bad air and many mediocre girls and guys with low level behaviour and expectations.

For first class sex with top girls at a decent club atmosphere I always prefer Palace, Mainhattan, Oase and World instead of crap pound.

[Kosher Kowboy]

I know it seems like it's the cool thing to point out the negatives of mega clubs because going to small clubs makes one feel like a cool hipster finding boutique places off the beaten path. It may even make one feel like a connoisseur. Unfortunately for this discussion, the fact remains that if you prefer high optics, you're not going to find more than a couple, if any, model level optics at Mainhattain, Dietz, Atlanta, Bahama etc. With the one or 2 higher optic girls at Mainhattan, I get sick of doing the same 2 hot girls over and over again. At least a club like Sharks gives optics minded mongers an opportunity to pull good service from a variety of hot girls. As for food quality, tasty food is pretty high on my list of life's great pleasures; and after vacationing in Italy immediately before hopping over to Germany, the food is certainly not "terrible" as many posters often claim.

The point is, this mega club bashing is only pertinent for mongers who are content with significantly lower optics standards. Everyone has the freedom to patronize the club style that fits their preference, but let's keep some objectivity here.
Takedown,

I think you write a good counter to the mega club bashing as you call it but you start out here with a very obvious personal slap at myself and although you may think you veiled it you didn't. If I am reading it wrong my apologies but it certainly looks like a personal jab at myself and no problem; I can take a jab. Taken much worse. I'll take the high road as I have too much respect for you as a poster and the contributions you have made to get in to any mud slinging. You're a good honest guy so let's just cut out the personal jabs here and focus rather on the content which you do get to after the beginning.

Although I may bash the Sharks food Lord knows how many times I have also bashed the food at Mainhatten too and much more in fact, joked of the shit sausages at Dietz, the food at BC is just average but I am not there for the food anyway. I certainly can relate to your comment about fine food being high on the lists's of the greatest pleasures in life and agree with you. I am sure you ate well in Italy as I did when I visited the country and hope you had a good time there.

I am sure given the massive number of gals in say Sharks vs Mainhatten there will be more optics and for discussion purposes let's just say Sharks has the greatest optics on earth. I do agree with Arnold that the LU in Mainhatten has been top notch and it has for the last year been better than it ever has been but ok, so the Sharks has the best optics on planet earth for the purposes of this discussion. I think despite some jabs I might take at Sharks or the attitudes there etc. I have also mentioned something to the tune ' as long as everyone is happy' and if Sharks provides you the optics you desire than all the power to you, pound away and enjoy the company of the Sharks. There are some beautiful ones, I tend however to roll more with service and the clubs themselves. Just me. My way is no better than your way or Arnold's way or Joe Blow's way and so on. Something for all of us.

You are right we all have the right to patronize the clubs we like best but I'd like to counter one statement you make that mongers who bash mega clubs are content with lower optics. I think you miss a big point here. I do not enjoy the mega clubs not because I prefer low optics but for a slew of reasons one being IMHO and in my experiences I find service levels much higher at the RTC and smaller locals clubs. I originally was taken to the Bahama Club by a Dietz guy. He is (was) an attendee of Sharks for years who went to Dietz for his AO. I mentioned once when Dietz had to close for a day why don't we go to Sharks and he said ' Let's go to Bahama Club, much better service and less attitudes. ' Of course that is his opinion but the attraction to the BC for him and myself or the placing of Sharks on the back burner is not because he and I wanted lower optics but because we went for what we feel is better service, a more relaxing atmosphere and prices too.

If we are going to remain objective (which beats jabs and insults) let's at least cover the whole spectrum from optics, service levels, price, AO or no AO as standard, and so on. I will also add a lot of guys love to go to Sharks to hang out with their buddies and maybe fuck or not point being they aren't going just for optics. I'll also add there is nothing wrong with going to Sharks or Oase etc to be social and not fuck or fuck a million times likewise neither is there anything wrong with going to Dietzenbach and knowing just about every regular in the club and their story; I love the RTC clubs just not for the AO as everyone assumes about RTC guys but the entire small family atmosphere and watching girls walk out with towels between their legs and guys fighting over who can be next. Cheap prices. Listening to girls all howling and guys blowing their nuts. The list could go on and on.

Although I am a fly in I got tired of hanging out with just tourists and I really took a liking to the locals and visa versa. I have learned more about my own likes, myself and IMO mongering as a whole by for lack of better words ' shutting my trap' and letting the locals steer me. Everyone often says the Germans are asssholes and the Turks scumbags however I find both them to be good folks (although I detest seeing pictures of the Gypsies boyfriends eating five star meals on my money) and I feel I personally fit in (although I may not be one) with the locals or perhaps there is a local mentality I relate to more. I am not knocking your style. I actually at one point of my life would only fuck the hottest girls in the clubs (Mexican Clubs, different place same theory) but over time I transitioned a tad as I threw much more than optics in to the mix. Maybe I think of mongering more like a pair of dice than a coin with just a head or a tail (optics and service only). So much more out there than those two determinants.

Your style is your style, the last thing I am going to do is take a personal jab at you, one can defend their position without shitting on another. If you want to shit on Dietzenbach as a club feel free but no need to shit on the guys who go there or the BC or Atlanta etc. I actually find them much more down to earth guys than I meet in Sharks or other clubs but I find good people everywhere. I will also add you have a lot of passion and put a lot of efforts and invest a lot of money in to your travels as I do and in a way I can relate how you may have taken offense to defend the turf you enjoy the most and I can in a way understand where you are coming from but the knee jerk reaction slam wasn't needed. Than again someone trashes my Gypsies I might do the same :D

Now back to some food talk. I was at Arabella and I was fucking starving. It was on a day everything was closed but fortunately my friend had some food on him he had bought at Rewe. He said he had some bread and fish, sounded a little odd to me. He handed me two packs of this small square brown bread in a red wrapper, shit was hard as a rock and crumbled. The fish was a large container of pickled herring in globs of a cream sauce. Somehow I was able to down two sandwiches than I fucked a Gypsy. You know what? I wouldn't have traded that Gypsy and disgusting pickled herring in for a free entry at Sharks and a 50 Euro BBBJ 30 min session with the hottest girl in the club. Just me.

To each our own. But if you want to remain objective and or opinionated let's do so w / o the slams and look at everything that goes in to this game, if one looks just at optics and just at service and ignores all the other factors IMHO they aren't seeing the whole picture, I will repeat IMO.

Respectfully.

KK.

[Sirioja]

LOL It's useless to discuss this with tourists like you, claiming to be insider bc spend some weeks every year at German FKK clubs.

How many times were you at Bahama, Atlanta, Diez or Mainhattan? I wait for your answer und your connection with your reports?

Only for a really small club like Bahama. Ever heard about Justin, Sophie, Bianca, Misha? Quite sure: No! But spaming this board with your opinion and claiming these are facts.

And compare Diez and Mainhattan same level. Sorry you have zero knowledge of the German FKK scene.

Sharks is only a fuck factory, full of smoke and bad air and many mediocre girls and guys with low level behaviour and expectations.

For first class sex with top girls at a decent club atmosphere I always prefer Palace, Mainhattan, Oase and World instead of crap pound.I remember such beauty Alina at Bahama, or Dany and Georgiana at Atlanta, I would run for them now at Sharks which is a good club for me, but not anymore for beauties. Also no more Megan ex Sara Mainhattan level of look, nor Marina Mainhattan, at Sharks. Oase is higher for looks, World didn't seem to me lower. For sure Dietzenbach is just for cheap AO sex and Finca almost worth for cheap sex, not for high level, when I m really surprised by new Oase I discovered and really enjoy.

[Takedown]

LOL It's useless to discuss this with tourists like you, claiming to be insider bc spend some weeks every year at German FKK clubs.

How many times were you at Bahama, Atlanta, Diez or Mainhattan? I wait for your answer und your connection with your reports?

Only for a really small club like Bahama. Ever heard about Justin, Sophie, Bianca, Misha? Quite sure: No! But spaming this board with your opinion and claiming these are facts.

And compare Diez and Mainhattan same level. Sorry you have zero knowledge of the German FKK scene.

Sharks is only a fuck factory, full of smoke and bad air and many mediocre girls and guys with low level behaviour and expectations.

For first class sex with top girls at a decent club atmosphere I always prefer Palace, Mainhattan, Oase and World instead of crap pound.If I find Finca and Acapulco to be good clubs warranting dozens of visits then I'm confident that I know the difference between a tourist experience and in depth knowledge.

You seem to have the impression that I visit a few weeks per year visiting mostly Sharks. I spend 25% of the year in or around FKK land, making 50 club visits per year, mostly at clubs not named Sharks. That's more visits and more variety than 99% of locals. If my experience does not warrant insight into the FKK scene, then I bow to your expertise and requirement of having permanent residence in Northern Europe in order to have sauna club knowledge.

Are you really going to commit to the assertion that aforementioned clubs do not have optic levels at minimum 1-2 points below Sharks, Palace, and Oase? Am I wrong to say that these clubs only have 1-2 truly hot girls working there? If so, then I bow to your expertise.

It is true that I do not visit those smaller Hessen clubs; however, my local friends who share my optic preferences find nothing there worth checking out. These guys are in my demographics of younger guys who require high optics so I trust their opinions over older hardcore guys. I get it, optics standards change as you age. As my senior, I assume that your optics standards have become more lenient over time. Expectedly, they are justifiably different than mine.

I did not mean to imply that Mainhattan is on the same level as the other clubs. I know that it is not.

Since, you listed Oase, Palace, and World as sources of "first class sex" then it would seem that you share in my opinions since I mostly used the term, mega brothels.

Obviously the opinions of older mongers who visit niche clubs have merit. But what is more useful information to the average ISG reader is where to find hot prostitutes. I dare say that it is more appropriate to direct the average reader to the optics and services provided at Sharks, Oase, and many NRW clubs rather than directing them to Bahama, Atlanta, or even Dietz. Imagine a veteran monger who has never explored FKKs going to Bahama and Atlanta. That monger's going back to Colombia, Brazil, or Thailand.

In case you cared, Yvette was at Sharks tonight taking a break from Palace before she returns later this week.

[Takedown]

Takedown,

I think you write a good counter to the mega club bashing as you call it but you start out here with a very obvious personal slap at myself and although you may think you veiled it you didn't. If I am reading it wrong my apologies but it certainly looks like a personal jab at myself and no problem; I can take a jab. Taken much worse. I'll take the high road as I have too much respect for you as a poster and the contributions you have made to get in to any mud slinging. You're a good honest guy so let's just cut out the personal jabs here and focus rather on the content which you do get to after the beginning.

to went for what we feel is better service, a more relaxing atmosphere and prices too.

If we are going to remain objective (which beats jabs and insults) let's at least cover the whole spectrum from optics, service levels, price, AO or no AO as standard, and so on. I will also add a lot of guys love to go to Sharks to hang out with their buddies and maybe fuck or not point being they aren't going just for optics. I'll also add there is nothing wrong with going to Sharks or Oase etc to be social and not fuck or fuck a million times likewise neither is there anything wrong with going to Dietzenbach and knowing just about every regular in the club and their story; I love the RTC clubs just not for the AO as everyone assumes about RTC guys but the entire small family atmosphere and watching girls walk out with towels between their legs and guys fighting over who can be next. Cheap prices. Listening to girls all howling and guys blowing their nuts. The list could go on and on..Sure thing man, respectfully.

I think you openly declare your love for the lesser optics girls out there, a fact that you do not indicate as a point of shame. As such, my reference to guys who tolerate lower optics should not be taken as a personal insult to you but rather a reiteration of your own openly declared tastes. That being said, I'll reiterate that many mongers absolutely require higher optics. Those optics requirements just simply are not met at Bahama, Hanau, and Dietz.

Regarding why we visit specific clubs, the best service in the world would not tempt me to go with a girl that does not meet my optics standard. That being said, even if there are more service land mines at mega brothels, my best service at Finca was no better than my best service at Sharks, Oase, or Palace. However, I've met a hundred girls at Sharks who have met my specs and about 6 at Finca, and that's being generous.

I agree with you that boots on the ground is invaluable. Your local boots, knowing your preferences send you to AO clubs and small clubs. My boots on the ground that share my tastes prefer clubs with higher optics.

[Takedown]

You are right. The mainhattan optics is not as low. I was not clear but I intended to imply that for my standards, Mainhattan only has a couple of hot girls versus zero to maybe only one at the other clubs. The bigger clubs undoubtedly has more.

Oase also has a non approach relax area. From my experience, Mainhattan's upselling is the same as World and Sharks, not quite Oase / Palace level.


With respect to girls, it is a big big difference between Mainhattan on the one hand, and Atlanta, Dietz, Bahamas on the other hand.

I was at Mainhattan three days this week and the line-up was better than ever. Not comparable with the other clubs you mention.

Slim, normal and curvy bodies whatever your preferences are.

Mainhattan has a large advantage compared to mega clubs like Sharks, Oase and Palace.

A relaxed and calm athmosphere. Up-selling very rare.

Non-approach in the relax area.

I really appreciate this, since I prefer to have sex with girls in combination with a spa visit.

I have a very pressing job with respect to productivity, financing, profits. Therefore, the worst thing I know when I visit a club is people running around pressing me and trying to get me to a room as fast as possible and start offering extras, etc.

[ExpatLover]

I remember such beauty Alina at Bahama, or Dany and Georgiana at Atlanta, I would run for them now at Sharks which is a good club for me, but not anymore for beauties. Also no more Megan ex Sara Mainhattan level of look, nor Marina Mainhattan, at Sharks. Oase is higher for looks, World didn't seem to me lower. For sure Dietzenbach is just for cheap AO sex and Finca almost worth for cheap sex, not for high level, when I m really surprised by new Oase I discovered and really enjoy.May be better than Shark but always the same girls around, I don t like fucking girls who are for many years in the job and got fucked 10000+. I don't pay for those kind of girls.

[Turgid]

LOL It's useless to discuss this with tourists like you, claiming to be insider bc spend some weeks every year at German FKK clubs.

How many times were you at Bahama, Atlanta, Diez or Mainhattan? I wait for your answer und your connection with your reports?

Only for a really small club like Bahama. Ever heard about Justin, Sophie, Bianca, Misha? Quite sure: No! But spaming this board with your opinion and claiming these are facts.

And compare Diez and Mainhattan same level. Sorry you have zero knowledge of the German FKK scene.

Sharks is only a fuck factory, full of smoke and bad air and many mediocre girls and guys with low level behaviour and expectations.

For first class sex with top girls at a decent club atmosphere I always prefer Palace, Mainhattan, Oase and World instead of crap pound.From your post I suspect that you had a bad experience at Sharks. I find it very difficult to rate Mainhatten, Oase, Palace and World ahead of Sharks, they are all in the same class as far as I am concerned and I have had good and bad experiences in all. I would agree, however, that, generally, the girls in the small lesser frequented clubs provide better service than those in the mega ones and even though my experience in the former is limited my opinion is based also on the fact that I have never had bad experiences there.

[Sirioja]

From your post I suspect that you had a bad experience at Sharks. I find it very difficult to rate Mainhatten, Oase, Palace and World ahead of Sharks, they are all in the same class as far as I am concerned and I have had good and bad experiences in all. I would agree, however, that, generally, the girls in the small lesser frequented clubs provide better service than those in the mega ones and even though my experience in the former is limited my opinion is based also on the fact that I have never had bad experiences there.I like Sharks for the club, foods, garden, but real lack of beauties compare to Oase at the moment.

[Optimist]

The only thing I am sure of is that there will never be any total agreement on which clubs are best for which taste. Just as an example, I really really don't like Sharks optics. I don't ask anyone to agree or disagree. Although if I meet a member in person I would explain why.

Some members say that people who go to certain clubs go just for reasons imputed to them by the writer. These statements are often worded in ways which carry implicit criticism. I would hope that we could all accept points of view as being of equal status, not as something to be psychoanalysed. Each to his own. Everybody have fun

[Takedown]

Before being harshly reprimanded, I believe that I made a pretty tough to dispute point that small local clubs have less attractive women than mega brothels. I did not dispute their value, just that for the optics minded monger, your options are greatly limited. It remains a subjective statement, but one that I would bet a year's worth of entries that a strong majority of mongers would agree. When someone says that I don't know what I am talking about when making this claim, it seems that is just a person that allowed personal sentiments to override a pretty broadly accepted observation.

[LaBambaBoy]

The only thing I am sure of is that there will never be any total agreement on which clubs are best for which taste. Just as an example, I really really don't like Sharks optics. I don't ask anyone to agree or disagree. Although if I meet a member in person I would explain why.

Some members say that people who go to certain clubs go just for reasons imputed to them by the writer. These statements are often worded in ways which carry implicit criticism. I would hope that we could all accept points of view as being of equal status, not as something to be psychoanalysed. Each to his own. Everybody have funI've been to Sharks, Oase, Dietz, Bahama, Mainhatten and Finca in the last year; every one of them was a good experience in some way. Sure, you can get higher optics at Sharks / Oase most of the time, but. There are many roads to happiness. "Low optics / non-stunner" talk is ultimately not productive and is different for each of us; personally, the highest optics girls are rarely that interesting to talk to, but maybe they just don't want to chat with my chubby, fossilized self. I value talking to the girls, learning a bit about them, that also cuts out non-English speakers for me. That changes my experiences a good bit. Others walk another road. For example, I had fun at Dietz (sweet Becky), but AO is not that important to me, so. May or may not go back. For our hero KK, AO is to be pursued, so, a different experience. Nobody is wrong.

I'm going to continue to expand my visits (ROM and World are on the list for next time), but I am sure I will end up back at Sharks again. For me, Sharks offers the most fun in the people watching department, but that's just me.

Everybody get out there and fuck, man! It's cats in the cream jar that we have so many different experiences to argue about.

[Kosher Kowboy]

The only thing I am sure of is that there will never be any total agreement on which clubs are best for which taste. Just as an example, I really really don't like Sharks optics. I don't ask anyone to agree or disagree. Although if I meet a member in person I would explain why.
I think we should just be thankful no matter what we enjoy in Germany that there is a place and girls for all of us. I rarely disagree with you but I do like the Sharks optics ( Takedown is correct in his assessment of that) if optics was my goal I would go there more what I don't like is nonstop ' let's go to the room' , the ability to not relax and yes I am fully aware of the lines to use to say ' not ready' or ' not interested' but in the smaller clubs the girls let you be as they all know ' that guy over there just roomed with such and so' and they know not to bother you or in a nice way will simply introduce themselves and something to the tune of ' I know you just went to the room with that other girl if ready to go again feel free to say hi to me , my name is such and so. '.

I do agree with meeting in private or thru PM ( guys u know already) etc. to discuss individual names or opinions on Sharks girls (see the Dietz thread) and my gut is my reasons I agree with you and your reasons for posting such are one in the same or closely related.

[Pessimist]

I think most men here would agree that we all have different tastes and that it is actually a good thing that we all have varied tastes. If all men liked only a certain type of women in certain types of clubs, we would all be competing for the services of a very small sliver of population and the rest of men and women will not get laid.

And yet, so many conversations devolve into arguments about which girl and club is better and who is right. Perhaps this is a function of who we are. Traveling professional grade mongers are a high testosterone bunch. They have to be which is why they go to such lengths and such expense to satisfy their libido. With that testosterone comes aggression. Also, men who are able to spend several thousands of dollars a year, perhaps several tens or even hundreds of thousands are necessarily well off and among the highest earners. So, you combine the financial success and aggression and it is a combustible potent mix.

ISG is a great place to exchange information and tips and opinions. Info and tips are appreciated but they are invariably mixed with opinions. It is very difficult to be very strictly factual, limiting comments to such things as body specs, hair color and whiteness of teeth of a girl. Even an innocuous statement such as "Debbie does not give a good blow job" or "Lisa sucks a mean dick" can be challenged by someone else. Somehow people fail to remember that Debbie and Lisa might provide different quality of blow jobs to different people.

One of the worst put downs here is "you are a tourist". It is just a tad better than "you are a virgin and your dick is 2 inches when fully hard". Implicit in this tourist criticism is that a local will always have a superior knowledge even if the tourist visits the clubs many more times than a local. The second assumption is that with more sessions one obtains more wisdom. Is that necessarily true? If you eat Ben and Jerry's ice cream a thousand times, are you able to analyze global ice cream market trends better than someone who ate it a mere hundred times?

But even more importantly, does it even matter? This constant "my knowledge is superior to your knowledge" is another form of "my dick is bigger than yours" contest. Perhaps this is inevitable when it comes to professional mongers.

ISG provides an invaluable forum to meet and exchange info. Would be nice to avail it fully and keep the dick measurement contests out.

Just my 2 clueless cents from an American sex tourist.

[PMunny]

17th May. Arrived before 1 pm to get the lower entrance fee but there were only a half dozen women and half a dozen men (nearly all relaxing in the wellness area). There was one quite annoying blonde sitting at the bar that kept pestering me, she'd a decent body but below average face. 2 pm after waiting an hour for more / better girls to show up eventually went with Daluca (Romania) dark blonde, about 5'5 without her shoes, no tattoos but big mole on back. Small be-cups, nice smile good English. Began with nice kissing including DFK and then switched to 69 and she did a CBJ. Made her pussy slightly hard to reach but stuck with it. Her on top for a few minutes while kissing and groping. 100 for 30, would not repeat.

Hung around for another 90 minutes, this place hasn't really been updated since I first visited five years ago but there was no sign of many other girls arriving so I decided to cut my losses and head back across town to Palace when I figured on size alone there should be more choice.

[Rovereto]

Jolokia,

The girl commonly called ' I'd like to try her vagina' that Siri has mentioned is indeed named Laura. She is a fun girl but I have not seen her in the club the last few times I have been there.

Roverto,

Sorry I missed this post kind of drifted down but Donna has been there this year but I personally have not seen her myself only been told by other club regs she has surfaced but very rarely, even comes for one or two days and is gone.

Let us know if you make it to Mainhatten and I hope you are lucky to find Donna. If not IMHO the best blowjob in Mainhatten now is served up by Karrina and she really is a great girl not be missed. If you do make it here feel free to return the favour to the forum and contribute a review of this venue.

There is also another very beautiful girl who goes back and forth between here and the Palace by the name of Helena. Although her oral services are not as good as Karrina's she is total eye candy and has the tiniest pussy. She is also tiny and one can easily cup her fanny in their two hands.Thanks a lot for this update KK, I really appreciate.

Donna changed her numbers and those I have are not active. The next time I'll be in Frankfurt I'll call the club to know if she is working and eventually I'll go there.

Of course I'll write a report in case I go (I went so many times in the club in 2017 and 2018 but I almost didn't write reports for the simple reason I was hoping in the room with Donna only).

Thanks again, and in case anybody have news about Donna I'll really appreciate a feedback.

[Delta Indigo]

I think we should just be thankful no matter what we enjoy in Germany that there is a place and girls for all of us. I rarely disagree with you but I do like the Sharks optics ( Takedown is correct in his assessment of that) if optics was my goal I would go there more what I don't like is nonstop ' let's go to the room' , the ability to not relax and yes I am fully aware of the lines to use to say ' not ready' or ' not interested' but in the smaller clubs the girls let you be as they all know ' that guy over there just roomed with such and so' and they know not to bother you or in a nice way will simply introduce themselves and something to the tune of ' I know you just went to the room with that other girl if ready to go again feel free to say hi to me , my name is such and so. '.

I do agree with meeting in private or thru PM ( guys u know already) etc. to discuss individual names or opinions on Sharks girls (see the Dietz thread) and my gut is my reasons I agree with you and your reasons for posting such are one in the same or closely related.Hi Everyone,

I am the first person to say that RTC clubs are not my thing, although the service is usually a lot better, I have just been to 3 or 4 of them and they really aren't my cup of tea. However about a year ago I went to Dietzenbach and I was really suprised how good looking one or two of the girls were. Dietzenbach is the RTC with the best looking girls I have ever seen in such a club. I was wondering what she was doing there, my friend asked her for AO, not my thing at all, and she agreed for a trivial sum.

I really did not understand why this girl does not work elsewhere, she would have stood out even at Sharks, she was that pretty. So optics wise, you can be surprised at some of these clubs. Luder Lounge in Dortmund, if that is an RTC, it certainly isn't a mega club, had some very good looking girls too.

Horrible RTCs IMO. Luderland and Aplerbeck (if that is one).

Good ones with some very good looking girls sometimes (Luder Lounge and Dietzenbach).

I am quite picky optics wise and I am still surprised that that girl worked in Dietzenbach instead of Sharks, all I could think of is that she must have been new to Germany and not known the ropes yet.

[Takedown]

Exactly. Of course there are bound to be a couple of highly attractive women here and there at these clubs. Even at shithole all-you-can-fuck partyreffs back in the day, there would be 2 girls worth doing. My point was not that you cannot find attractive women. It was that there are so few. As such, how often would you want to come back and fuck the same 1 or 2 girls over and over again? Finca's my boutique club of choice but I have no desire to go there more than once or twice a year. When I go, I know the one or 2 that I will definitely fuck, then have to hope for a good looking unknown to be working. That works for a day but why would I return the next day or the next week to do the same 3 girls again? On the flip, I can do 3 days in a roll at a mega club and probably squeeze out 7-9 different girls that I consider high optics with hopefully 6-8 of those 7-9 session being good to great service if I choose well.


Hi Everyone,

I am the first person to say that RTC clubs are not my thing, although the service is usually a lot better, I have just been to 3 or 4 of them and they really aren't my cup of tea. However about a year ago I went to Dietzenbach and I was really suprised how good looking one or two of the girls were. Dietzenbach is the RTC with the best looking girls I have ever seen in such a club. I was wondering what she was doing there, my friend asked her for AO, not my thing at all, and she agreed for a trivial sum.

I really did not understand why this girl does not work elsewhere, she would have stood out even at Sharks, she was that pretty. So optics wise, you can be surprised at some of these clubs. Luder Lounge in Dortmund, if that is an RTC, it certainly isn't a mega club, had some very good looking girls too.

Horrible RTCs IMO. Luderland and Aplerbeck (if that is one).

Good ones with some very good looking girls sometimes (Luder Lounge and Dietzenbach).

I am quite picky optics wise and I am still surprised that that girl worked in Dietzenbach instead of Sharks, all I could think of is that she must have been new to Germany and not known the ropes yet.

[Kosher Kowboy]

I think my reply to Takedown may have contained some misconceptions on my end and public apologies to him, and I think some of the replies to him have been constructed based on the wording Takedown used in his original post that was responding to the shit on Sharks party. Takedown had the courtesy to contact me and let me know his intentions in his wording and having explained himself to me I can understand now he was not attacking myself nor lumping Mainhatten quality to that of my precious Gypsies. Takedown well knows the difference between these clubs in fact has much more knowledge of the clubs throughout Germany than myself and many on here. In one of my posts Takedown I think misinterpreted a personal feeling I had as a pot shot at guys who prefer Sharks when in fact it was I who worded it wrong; truth be told I can understand his ' return friendly fire' not at me but more so the attack on the Sharks Club that I myself posted. He and I had a simple misunderstanding in interpretations and a molehill became a mountain. I will take the blame.

I don't think you need to post your resume either Takedown, most know you are not an idiot or lack experience in fact the opposite. We are a group divided yet more united than one would think from reading posts. If anything the vast differences between Takedown and I in how we monger only go to show that Germany has a place for all of us to play in an environment we like. My apologies to Takedown for starting this shit storm. My fault.


For our hero KK, AO is to be pursued, so, a different experience. .I know an ocean separates us but go please go back and read some of my old posts. English is spoken in both our countries and our native tongues are pretty much the same. There is no language barrier here. I like to go to RTC Clubs but BC, ATL and Mainhatten my other stomping grounds are not AO clubs although AO is common in all clubs. When I go to these non RTC Clubs my intention is not AO. I do not feel others should pursue AO / RTC Clubs unless they want to rather they should pursue what makes them happy. Thanks for using the word ' hero' to describe me as you have yet once again used an expression ' our hero KK' that was used verbatim by a ' former member' and more than one time. By more than one handle too. I am no hero. I will have to decline that ' compliment. ' Thanks anyway.


I am quite picky optics wise and I am still surprised that that girl worked in Dietzenbach instead of Sharks, all I could think of is that she must have been new to Germany and not known the ropes yet.While occasionally a beauty may roll thru Dietzenbach I can promise you Alice does not have job applications sitting up front to fill out to request an interview quite the opposite. The path in to Dietzenbach from various places is much more complicated and not always a happy story but these girl's necessities in life are met thru a ' process' that can be long, hard, pricey and not easy work. One might not realize this but the Dietzenbach ' jobs' are very coveted and not easy to get. In fact rather difficult to get in and I must say I probably know way too much to the point sometimes the fantasy is ruined knowing who the players in the club, outside the club, in other parts of Germany and all the way back to the recruiters in Romania are. This pretty girl DI saw working in Dietz more likely than not ended up on a red couch not thru answering online ads on monster.com rather a result of who she knew back home and which pipeline she got put in to Germany.


I think most men here would agree that we all have different tastes and that it is actually a good thing that we all have varied tastes. If all men liked only a certain type of women in certain types of clubs, we would all be competing for the services of a very small sliver of population and the rest of men and women will not get laid.
Well said, I agree. And for this very reason we have so many different places to go fuck at whether they serve fine food, cream filled pastry puffs or bring your own bread and herring.

[LaBambaBoy]

I know an ocean separates us but go please go back and read some of my old posts. English is spoken in both our countries and our native tongues are pretty much the same. There is no language barrier here. I like to go to RTC Clubs but BC, ATL and Mainhatten my other stomping grounds are not AO clubs although AO is common in all clubs. When I go to these non RTC Clubs my intention is not AO. I do not feel others should pursue AO / RTC Clubs unless they want to rather they should pursue what makes them happy. Thanks for using the word ' hero' to describe me as you have yet once again used an expression ' our hero KK' that was used verbatim by a ' former member' and more than one time. By more than one handle too. I am no hero. I will have to decline that ' compliment. ' Thanks anyway.Dude,

I am sorry for stepping in it with that wording; I have nothing but respect for the information you have posted here, much of which was very helpful to me, especially wrt my first trip to FKK land last year. My apologies.

[Kosher Kowboy]

Dude,

I am sorry for stepping in it with that wording; I have nothing but respect for the information you have posted here, much of which was very helpful to me, especially wrt my first trip to FKK land last year. My apologies.Words can get twisted, glad my information helped. If you'd like my help finding ' sweet Becky' let me know, I can lead you to her.

Feel free to invite Gino to come as well, I know he would very much like to see Amira and Diana and I am sure he will abandon Bernd's in favor of Amira and Diana and come back down the A3 at 300 km hour in his Porshe for them. Actually he would have to reverse course and head north on the A3. All three Queens I am sure would appreciate our Euros. Especially Diana. I haven't met a Gypsy who loves money more than her!

:D

[Takedown]

Lost in the mix.


17th May. Arrived before 1 pm to get the lower entrance fee but there were only a half dozen women and half a dozen men (nearly all relaxing in the wellness area). There was one quite annoying blonde sitting at the bar that kept pestering me, she'd a decent body but below average face. 2 pm after waiting an hour for more / better girls to show up eventually went with Daluca (Romania) dark blonde, about 5'5 without her shoes, no tattoos but big mole on back. Small be-cups, nice smile good English. Began with nice kissing including DFK and then switched to 69 and she did a CBJ. Made her pussy slightly hard to reach but stuck with it. Her on top for a few minutes while kissing and groping. 100 for 30, would not repeat.

Hung around for another 90 minutes, this place hasn't really been updated since I first visited five years ago but there was no sign of many other girls arriving so I decided to cut my losses and head back across town to Palace when I figured on size alone there should be more choice.

[Turgid]

................. The second assumption is that with more sessions one obtains more wisdom. Is that necessarily true? If you eat Ben and Jerry's ice cream a thousand times, are you able to analyze global ice cream market trends better than someone who ate it a mere hundred times?...............Good point, however what about the guy who has not only eaten Ben & Jerry's but also Dairy Queen, Haagen Dazs, Hershey, Jack & Jill, Wendy's, Nestle, etc. As someone who has sampled around the world FKK is best of all.

[Takedown]

Good point, however what about the guy who has not only eaten Ben & Jerry's but also Dairy Queen, Haagen Dazs, Hershey, Jack & Jill, Wendy's, Nestle, etc. As someone who has sampled around the world FKK is best of all.Yep. Passive integration of knowledge over time. Repetition may not ensure mastery, but it's the only path to it.

[Kosher Kowboy]

Good point, however what about the guy who has not only eaten Ben & Jerry's but also Dairy Queen, Haagen Dazs, Hershey, Jack & Jill, Wendy's, Nestle, etc. As someone who has sampled around the world FKK is best of all.You left off the guy who goes to Baskin-Robbins, home of the 31 plus flavors and it blows the Ben and Jerry's shit away. IMHO.

https://www.baskinrobbins.com/content/baskinrobbins/en/products/icecream/flavors.html

Perhaps Baskin-Robbins ( my favorite) is the RTC's of ice cream :D

And the growing market share of Magnum can not be ignored either: https://www.magnumicecream.com/us/en/stories.html (little pricier but some of the best ever).

Seems to be served on the airplanes now quite often. This brand has the absolute best chocolate coating / shell of all out there.

For you Oase guys someone please suggest to that guy who hands out melted ice cream to consider the Magnum bars; they won't melt as fast and for the entry fees they charge I think that guy can afford to stop serving that imitation stuff.

[Optimist]

Dear sir.

I am experienced in FKK since 18 years but would be grateful for some help before I make my first visit to Mainhatten. Do they provides the vegan Magnum?

Thanks gentlemen in advance.

[Kosher Kowboy]

Dear sir.

I am experienced in FKK since 11 years but would be grateful for some help before I make my first visit to Mainhatten. Do they provides the vegan Magnum?

Thanks gentlemen in advance.Greetings mate,

Just since you have been so kind to the forum in your contributions over the years and kept many could have been fires from starting and / or putting them out between members in such a fun and diplomatic manner I will make sure your request is granted.

I am pretty friendly with the front desk ladies (former WGs) at Mainhatten and will submit a formal request to them to request a Vegan Magnum bar from the company as if they order in mass between three clubs the owners operate will probably get a discount. This way all the guys going to World this summer can enjoy as well and last but not least all these ' blokes' who showed up in the Finca thread once you started posting there will have the option as well except we will have to tell Finca not to over order that only one bar is needed for those new attendees as they are all one in the same guy. Actually the order is just for you, this guy is not a Vegan; have dined with him several times. Fish and Chips would probably be preferred by him. He is actually a fun guy to eat with, other than outing guys to girls and guys to guys he is actually a good lad.

I think to officially be considered vegan would have to be non-dairy ice cream (assuming the chocolate is ok?) and I think this is a most reasonable request. To avoid any confusion Magnum will change the packaging from brown with gold writing and for the Vegan bars will make the packages gold with brown writing.

Now it would be nice if you could return the favor to the RTC tour guides I employ and please tell them we Americans are not used to pickled herring served on dry cracked brown / black bread and maybe order me a bucket of KFC; this way maybe I could sit down with the guy who attempted to win over that Shark you refer too (about 4 others as well over the years; that is just at Sharks not counting girls back to the Atlantis day before my time) and perhaps we can thru either fish and chips or a bucket of KFC get this chap to reverse his patterns and return to the ISG and the Sharks Club this time as a punter with some ethics and maybe he learned being a White Knight as you explained elsewhere will get a guy nowhere.

Girls like Euros and occasionally if a guy needs a Magnum they will grin and bear the hardships of being pounded or in some of their cases enjoy it; unfortunately doesn't apply to me. Except the Euro part :D The Vegan bar has been ordered but please whatever you do not print this post out, show it to the red toweled Gypsies or tell them it was me. I am sure I don't need to tell you that as I think most on here know the level of discretion and fairness you bring to the table and the board and all jokes aside it is an honour to call you a friend :D

How is my British English coming along? I find the pigeon English easy to write but my mother being an American author (may she rest in peace) never tried to teach me to write like an Englishman so I am trying on my own

Cheers

[Optimist]

Wotcha KK. How's your belly off for spots?. Writing genius must run in your family. Pickled herring and black bread? That's those barmy geezers from the country which flattens my xenophobic homeland with penalty shootouts. To ease your furrowed brow I'll order the fatted calves for you and visit KFC on my way to red towel land. But really you should offer pie and mash and liquor to make me and the White Knight feel at home surrounded by all these Germans, Romanians, and, strangest culture of all, Americans. But, thinking about it, I doubt he ever had pie and mash. Off now down the apples to get my barnet cut with my trouble

Britannia waives the rules :D

[Kosher Kowboy]

Wotcha KK. How's your belly off for spots?. Writing genius must run in your family. Pickled herring and black bread? That's those barmy geezers from the country which flattens my xenophobic homeland with penalty shootouts. To ease your furrowed brow I'll order the fatted calves for you and visit KFC on my way to red towel land. But really you should offer pie and mash and liquor to make me and the White Knight feel at home surrounded by all these Germans, Romanians, and, strangest culture of all, Americans. But, thinking about it, I doubt he ever had pie and mash. Off now down the apples to get my barnet cut with my trouble

Britannia waives the rules :DTrying to decipher! My limited time in London which was only at the airport connecting on El Al to Tel Aviv and British Airways to Frankfurt was not enough to time learn proper English. I think we Yanks fucked up the language!

As to the pie and mash I think Mainhatten served something like that last trip. It was a giant tray of mashed potatoes with crumbled ground beef, peas and carrots in it and a brown gravy next to it as well as pizza. What I couldn't understand is why the Romanian girls eating both this pie and pizza put ketchup on it!

[Pessimist]

Good point, however what about the guy who has not only eaten Ben & Jerry's but also Dairy Queen, Haagen Dazs, Hershey, Jack & Jill, Wendy's, Nestle, etc. As someone who has sampled around the world FKK is best of all.Good point. That basically supports the thesis that someone who has a broad experience set does have a good perspective. Many locals in fact might remain very local and might not even travel the breadth of the whole Deutsche land. An international traveler like Steve in the other thread has a rich and broad reference set to make comparison judgement. There are probably many others.

When a opinion or view point is well supported and articulated, other members can see the merit of such opinion. Any time someone has to pull rank ("I am a local and you are not", "I attended a club a thousand times to your hundred visits" etc) the quality and the validity of such argument is losing luster.

In any case, my intent was to say that we can provide useful info in these threads without the need to put down other people. But this may a tough ask when it comes to a bunch of financially successful, testosterone fueled mongers.

[Kosher Kowboy]

Any time someone has to pull rank ("I am a local and you are not", "I attended a club a thousand times to your hundred visits" etc) the quality and the validity of such argument is losing luster.

But this may a tough ask when it comes to a bunch of financially successful, testosterone fueled mongers.I agree, there are guys who fly in to Austin where I live who know the girls better than I do now! Likewise I can think of one place some idiot American guy goes and fucks girls without condoms and many of the other equally idiotic local guys there think he actually lives there and he possibly knows more about the sexy erotic entertainers in that high end club in Frankfurt's nicest suburb than most of the regulars. I know a guy who goes to clubs in Stuttgart and another who goes in to the Dusseldorf area and both those guys know more about those locales than the German monger who might know every Hessen club inside out but never ventures out. All relative. Nor does it really matter. I can however relate to some local sentiment that tourists drove up the prices or tourists crowd up the clubs but at the same time w / o those tourists my beloved Sharks would perhaps struggle financially or be less profitable. The pole dancers would go broke and Noon (I think that is her name) would be the busiest one! And isn't the guy who flies in from Berlin (although German) just as much a tourist as the guy who flies in from Italy or drives in from Luxembourg or speeds thru Switzerland escaping France? :D

Actually jokes aside that French guy probably knows more than many of the locals in many places.

But locals will always feel a sense they were ' invaded'; we got screwed here in Texas with all the guys who moved here from California and New York for tax purposes and outbid us and now the hookers here prefer them. Shit happens.

I like poor mongers too. I met a guy in F39 who I thought was a lucky guy as he was retired telling me he goes to the RTCs every weekend. As it turns out he is dirt poor, collects money from the government for some disability and takes public transportation everywhere as he has some free or discounted pass to use public transportation and gets cash too from the government and spends it on the RTC girls :D

[Takedown]

I think my reply to Takedown may have contained some misconceptions on my end and public apologies to him, and I think some of the replies to him have been constructed based on the wording Takedown used in his original post that was responding to the shit on Sharks party. Thanks mate. Apologies for lumping you in with the hipster crowd, hah!

[Takedown]

All great points. Even though there are tons of fly by tourists who couldn't discern good, fair service providers from the sharks, there are also tons of casual local mongers, probably even more of them. The guy who goes to one or two clubs near him probably takes a pretty passive approach to mongering. After speaking with some locals, many don't read any forums for info or feel a need to supply reviews. And neither should they as I also probably would not read forums if I could just pop in after work a couple times a week. In comparison to the general local club going population, there are very few expert local hobbyists. I get the feeling that the hoards of locals who visit in groups do not venture far from home and highly doubt that most do research prior to going.

As for the expert locals, you can see from reading some of their posts that they have great animosity towards fly in mongers. I do feel a little bad for them because sex tourism truly is driving up the prices for them. I had a couple discussions with fly in guys who openly say they don't give a fuck about paying an extra 50-100 euro above standard prices. They openly say they don't care that they are driving up prices, seeing it as a "I got to get mine because I'm already flying all this way. "It's cheap compared to home."

Who I don't feel for are the locals who treat all visitors like crap because of their animosity. The bitterness should be directed toward individuals not demographic groups.


I agree, there are guys who fly in to Austin where I live who know the girls better than I do now! Likewise I can think of one place some idiot American guy goes and fucks girls without condoms and many of the other equally idiotic local guys there think he actually lives there and he possibly knows more about the sexy erotic entertainers in that high end club in Frankfurt's nicest suburb than most of the regulars. I know a guy who goes to clubs in Stuttgart and another who goes in to the Dusseldorf area and both those guys know more about those locales than the German monger who might know every Hessen club inside out but never ventures out. All relative. Nor does it really matter. I can however relate to some local sentiment that tourists drove up the prices or tourists crowd up the clubs but at the same time w / o those tourists my beloved Sharks would perhaps struggle financially or be less profitable.

[Optimist]

Takedown. Spot on. Excellent points. My only addition is that despite (or maybe because of) going to clubs with mainly local clientele I have never experienced any hostility, and have found the local guys to be friendly and helpful. Although culturally Germans tend to be a little cautious in accepting new acquaintances they are very supportive once over the initial hurdle, although they can often be rather brusque in expressing their opinions. Even in Sharks I found the locals to be very very welcoming.

Hope you don't meet any hostility. Although brusqueness may be unavoidable it should not be misinterpreted.

Have fun

[Kosher Kowboy]

Who I don't feel for are the locals who treat all visitors like crap because of their animosity. The bitterness should be directed toward individuals not demographic groups.I find this animosity you speak of more prevalent actually online than in the clubs. I attribute this to what we call here ' keyboard warriors' and once you meet in person they become nice loving little teddy bears. As to targeting demographic groups (girls aside) I haven't seen it in person in the clubs but I also spend my time more in fixed rate clubs where equal pay for equal play is the case. I will however add there is some hypocrisy in the clubs at both the mainstream FKK clubs as well as the RTCs as I see German guests often tipping just as much as the other white, black, Indian, Turkish, Asian etc. Guests are paying yet from reading online one would assume Germans tip nothing and the fly ins give away the shop which simply is not the case unless one of you guys catches me paying the Gypsies. As one local guy tells me I am the only guy he has ever known that goes to Dietzenbach and drops 350-500+ Euros in a day but they do not give a shit, in fact they find it amusing :D


My only addition is that despite (or maybe because of) going to clubs with mainly local clientele I have never experienced any hostility, and have found the local guys to be friendly and helpful. Although culturally Germans tend to be a little cautious in accepting new acquaintances they are very supportive once over the initial hurdleThis is my experience too. I have a new Queen now and last trip on my last day I was short time when one of her local clients / regs sitting with her asked me when I was taking off to say good bye to me and I told him probably soon after one more room and he actually asked me if I wanted to take the girl he was sitting with since I was short time and I did. He gave up the girl for me. He didn't have to. We all know each others favorites and backups; truly a nice gesture on his part. Or perhaps a little 'selfish' maybe, he also is a Nein Vashing aficionado.

[McAdonis]

Mongers that pay higher prices likely fall into one or more of the following categories: (1) encounter WGs so unique that she cannot be substituted, (2) high mongering budget, (3) constrained by time, and (4) failed to do any research.

For optics-oriented mongers, "unique" would be their ideal beauty. Since the WG is such a rare find optically, he is willing to pay more to ensure good service. In general, local mongers tend to be less optics-oriented. Local mongers are more likely confine themselves to one club, attending three times a week with zero curiosity to explore. They don't have that fear that they are missing out, and that just lurking around the corner (at that other club 20 km away) is their ideal beauty. "Unique" does not apply just to optics; it could also describe the unique emotions a monger feels toward a specific WG aka "club wife". Both locals and fly-in tourists are susceptible when it comes to "falling" for a WG.

High mongering budget is often correlated with high net worth individuals (HNI), but not always. A monger with an eight-digit net worth may not have the same mongering appetite as someone who has a five-digit net worth. Some HNI mongers are happy attending a FKK club one time every three months, even if they could afford to visit much more frequently. At the other end, there are some mongers, who try to allocate as much money to their mongering budget as possible. This entails spending bare minimum on necessities, neglecting savings, and reducing "luxury" spending to just monger-related activities. At the extreme, this might mean just having one hobby: mongering. I know quite a few fly-in mongers who spend significantly more than KK on entries and sessions. And I am willing to bet these same guys have never splurged on Delta Comfort Plus or ever spent more than 50 EUR on an outside-the-club meal, while KK claims to do this regularly.

Constrained by time can apply to both fly-in mongers or locals. Some fly-in mongers only do a single five day trip once every two years, so they have no qualms spending 5000 EUR on that five day trip. Local married mongers are sometimes on tight leashes, so they have limited two-or-three hour time windows. They literally told their wife they were running to the store to buy some milk. Negotiating would almost be a waste of time for them. If attending an FKK is a once a year occurrence, dropping a few hundred EUR is no big deal. Constrained by time can also apply to older guys who know that their mongering career is winding down. Or that their time on earth is limited, so they might as well spend that money while they are able.

Failed to do research. Usually not the fly-in hardcore FKK veteran who is on his twentieth trip, but the fly-in Messe attendee or fly-in married guy on a business trip who may never return to Germany again. These guys might spend 3-5 hours in a FKK club and never step foot in one again. Why RTFF?

[McAdonis]

I find this animosity you speak of more prevalent actually online than in the clubs. I attribute this to what we call here ' keyboard warriors' and once you meet in person they become nice loving little teddy bears.With regards to animosity online, it is just one of the things that one must grow accustomed to in the age of the Internet. Your using of the term 'keyboard warriors' at least hints at this. I found the apologies between you and Takedown unnecessary. Personally, I did not find your criticisms of mainstream clubs harsh at all. I will admit some bias there because I am neither a fan of Oase or Sharks. To me every club, has its negatives. Even when Sharks was my favorite, I never felt the need to defend it. I don't have a financial stake in their success.

And while, Takedown was clearly referring to you when he likened some posters to hipsters that eschew mainstream establishments to be cool, I would have to ask is being a hipster such a negative term? Maybe I just have tough skin. If another poster was condescending towards me, I suppose it would reduce my credibility as a poster in the eyes of other posters, but again, I really do not care. I am not monetizing off of my ISG handle in anyway. No free entries. No sponsors. No click revenue.

Note this is not entirely directed at you KK. Since you mostly keep your cool and remain cordial.

[Takedown]

I find this animosity you speak of more prevalent actually online than in the clubs. I attribute this to what we call here ' keyboard warriors' and once you meet in person they become nice loving little teddy bears. As to targeting demographic groups (girls aside) I haven't seen it in person in the clubs but I also spend my time more in fixed rate clubs where equal pay for equal play is the case. I will however add there is some hypocrisy in the clubs at both the mainstream FKK clubs as well as the RTCs as I see German guests often tipping just as much as the other white, black, Indian, Turkish, Asian etc. Guests are paying yet from reading online one would assume Germans tip nothing and the fly ins give away the shop which simply is not the case unless one of you guys catches me paying the Gypsies. As one local guy tells me I am the only guy he has ever known that goes to Dietzenbach and drops 350-500+ Euros in a day but they do not give a shit, in fact they find it amusing.Yes, definitely more on the forums than in the club, hopefully attributed to the keyboard warrior phenomenon. I'll second your observation that Germans do tip. As such I also often do so myself in the 50 e rooms. The only demographic that I know that definitely, consistently never tips are the French.

[Pessimist]

Kosher Kowboy.

+1.

Bravo for pointing out that Germans are as charitable or as guilty as anyone else when it comes to tipping. It is easy to bash the clueless foreign tourist. But just as no one has a corner on the knowledge market and a few tourists may have more awareness of some FKKs than some locals, it is equally possible that some locals are equally likely to tip a girl as the stereotypical foreigner.

Let us remember — tipping is often as much about you as about the girl. You want to feel good about yourself. "I'm a nice, kind hearted and fair guy, I reward good service". This wanting to feel good about self, especially in front of a girl you had just fucked to your satisfaction is not a trait seen only in foreigners. It is a universal thing in our DNA.

(P.S. I don't need to hear from a hundred guys now how they are very strict and never ever tip, that only weak willed people tip, etc. We are talking about a representative sample of various nationalities here and whether a German, Turk, Chinese, American, etc are equally likely to tip. Not about the individual you you).

I actually do think we Americans are likely to tip more than others, as tipping is such a national cultural habit and most of the workers in our services economy get paid less than minimum wage. However, excluding US, I think you are correct to think Germans probably tip as much as anyone else in the clubs.

[Pessimist]

Since this is an anonymous forum, I can share my personal info.

While I will not open up my balance sheet here, I will admit I'm married. Both my wife and I make good money. For a decade, our total tax payment to the government has averaged 200 grand a year, and in the last 5 has been near 250 grand a year.

Even though I have been attending FKKs for nearly 9 years and even with nearly 120 rooms a year, I think my annual room spend is not more than 12 grand a year. That is because I do quite a few half hour sessions, and only a small fraction of my sessions have extras like anal and CIM and I do multi-girl sessions just a handful of times a year. I tip with 10's and 20's in some of my half hour sessions but otherwise I'm not a huge tipper.

So, it is quite possible that my single year tax payment is probably double the entire amount of mongering spend I had done in FKKs (when you add the club entry fee and travel expenses, it would bring them closer to convergence).

I was struck by a similar assertion in a report by UncleOx a few weeks ago. In fact, I began doing my own personal analysis after reading his post. I suspect there are many many others in this forum in the same situation as me and UncleOx.

People spend money on what are their true priorities. I have no use for expensive cars and drive a 10 year old beat up car but I spend 60 grand a year to send my two kids to private schools. I spend money on my mongering while many of my colleagues are splurging playing golf in country clubs.

In this forum I suspect many people are unmarried. That is a different equation. Men who are unencumbered are able to spend on their mongering at a different pace than people like myself.


Mongers that pay higher prices likely fall into one or more of the following categories: (1) encounter WGs so unique that she cannot be substituted, (2) high mongering budget, (3) constrained by time, and (4) failed to do any research.

For optics-oriented mongers, "unique" would be their ideal beauty. Since the WG is such a rare find optically, he is willing to pay more to ensure good service. In general, local mongers tend to be less optics-oriented. Local mongers are more likely confine themselves to one club, attending three times a week with zero curiosity to explore. They don't have that fear that they are missing out, and that just lurking around the corner (at that other club 20 km away) is their ideal beauty. "Unique" does not apply just to optics; it could also describe the unique emotions a monger feels toward a specific WG aka "club wife". Both locals and fly-in tourists are susceptible when it comes to "falling" for a WG.

[Kosher Kowboy]

Yes, definitely more on the forums than in the club, hopefully attributed to the keyboard warrior phenomenon. I'll second your observation that Germans do tip. As such I also often do so myself in the 50 e rooms. The only demographic that I know that definitely, consistently never tips are the French.The girls here in Texas tell me the Canadians are the cheapest and won't leave them a penny over. Than again I don't either and I lowball everyone of them. On the other hand the Gypsies percentage tip is probably right in the range of somewhere in between what US and Canadian personal income is taxed at :D Nothing wrong with you tipping on the 50 rooms. I have tipped on 50/100 rooms too but I never tip at Mainhatten as their rate is a tip enough!


If another poster was condescending towards me, I suppose it would reduce my credibility as a poster in the eyes of other posters, but again, I really do not care. .My thought if a poster flames, attacks, insults or is condescending towards another that other members notice and those eyes are the judges and sometimes he who takes the high road is viewed as the one who handled it better. The words used usually say more about the guy tossing the punch than the guy being punched so sometimes best to take the punch. That statement is a general statement and not related in any way, shape or form to my exchange with Takedown.


I know quite a few fly-in mongers who spend significantly more than KK on entries and sessions. And I am willing to bet these same guys have never splurged on Delta Comfort Plus or ever spent more than 50 EUR on an outside-the-club meal, while KK claims to do this regularly.
KK is a very cheap guy unless he is paying a Gypsy for sexual services or on vacation will splurge on meals. Most of the American fly ins I know fly in coach and the ones who go mainstream spend a lot more than I (as you correctly state) in most cases in both entries and sessions many of them actually doing 1 to 4 hour rooms some longer and most also go for the top lookers in the club. Likewise with lodging, I will only stay in a hotel where I get a double sized bed and AirCon and a breakfast buffet while many of the fly ins you know (and I know) will get cheap shared Air be&be or cheap hotels and eat all meals in the clubs. Since I am not served a buffet at my club I splurge at night on good food and go out to a very nice meal unless I smoke too much :D after Dietzenbach and pass out in which case will grab a late night Doner or Pizza.

Most of the fly ins I know who do only Dietz or NRW are the cheapest, all fly in coach, all get cheap hotels or sleep in cars, don't tip any Gypsies and eat as cheap as can be some buying cold cuts and bread at Rewe. One of the guys I go to the NRW with will pay 100 Euros for a room, 50+ on dinner but refuses to park at the hotel lot and will walk 5 blocks to save 5 Euros. People are strange with money.

[Takedown]

I found the apologies between you and Takedown unnecessary.I think we should just appreciate one of the few cordial resolutions of forum conflicts. It's a nice change from the emotional and irrational. Perhaps unnecessary, but let's not discourage good behavior and perhaps we can set an example for the future.


Personally, I did not find your criticisms of mainstream clubs harsh at all. I will admit some bias there because I am neither a fan of Oase or Sharks. To me every club, has its negatives. Even when Sharks was my favorite, I never felt the need to defend it. I don't have a financial stake in their success.It's not about defending the club. It is about defending my hobby and palate for it. Most mongers have a sense of inner shame in the hobby, going through great lengths to keep it a secret. For me, this is my most time consuming hobby. As such, I've developed a sense of pride in it. I do not feel shame in it nor do I go out of my way to hide it from most people who ask. In fact, I revel at the opportunity to share info about this hobby with neophytes. With this prideful mindset, I certainly felt the need to point out that hobbyists with good taste can certainly attend mainstream clubs. It's not just superficial pride being affected by insults and emotions.


And while, Takedown was clearly referring to you when he likened some posters to hipsters that eschew mainstream establishments to be cool, I would have to ask is being a hipster such a negative term? In all honesty, I certainly used the term as an insult as it was used to refer to pseudo-hipsters, a species within the genus Posers; Poseri pseudohipsterus. That group is most definitely an off putting bunch.

[Ulver]

I haven't been to Mainhattan in 2-3 years. I like to know if BBBJ is normally included in a 60 min /100 E session nowadays or if it's extra.

[Sirioja]

I never tip with €, but with my manners, advises, weekly repeating or even on same day, sometimes on great discovery, and I'm pretty sure my girls prefer this, asking: at what time You want we meet again? Because I want to be free for You. Was really never told to be a cheap guy, but valuating girls with guys wanting to try my girls, a German very regular looking who are my girls and going with them after me, but I don't think he repeats like me, not same beauties lover.

[Optimist]

McAdonis. Nicely structured analysis. I fall smack bang into one of your categories.

I spend the minimum for flight, car, and accommodation and expect all traditional services for a rate of 50 euros per 30 minutes. And not just for reasons of a finite budget. I am a cheap end guy. Although I will sometimes tip.

Except exactly as you say, when I meet a "unique girl who cannot be substituted", I will pay much more, by taking long sessions, and responding to the +40..... calls which whilst free to receive seem to involve payment for all sorts of medical problems LOL. The interesting thing about finding a unique girl is that when she is gone another one is close behind :D. Any port in a storm

[Hank Moody 69]

McAdonis. Nicely structured analysis. I fall smack bang into one of your categories.Agreed. You speak the truth, McAdonis. I have fallen into each of these categories at various times, but try to stick to 1 or 2. I found myself shifting from 50 E / 30 min sessions to 100 E / 60 min sessions because there is no time pressure and I get better service. I'm very selective up front, talking with many girls and choosing very few. I will sometimes throw a bone when I first arrive just to clear things out. My "jet set" lifestyle has adjusted to allow me more visits and time in Germany and Switzerland.

[Pessimist]

It is commendable that you are able to openly admit your mongering exploits with pride and honesty. If more people were like you that would certainly make this hobby less of a taboo and make it easy for others to come forward. As an American I am not sure if there is more openness and less taboo to confess to this side of one's life in some of the European countries. I hope there is.

I do want to say that it is not always shame that prevents some of us from being open about this activity. As a married man, it is all but impossible for me to be anything but extremely cagey about this and to obviate the smallest hint of suspicion. Then too, what you do for a living and who are your peers matter a lot. In my job, even a slight hint of this kind of activity could only lead to disapproval from peers and this remains a at-will employment place where we have a tight knit partner type culture and most of us know our colleagues' spouses. Any gossip in this direction is death knell for my career and a well paying job.

I don't know if I am proud of my mongering exploits. I am definitely very happy about this aspect of my life. It filled a massive sexual need. Absent this, my sexual frustration would have been much worse and that in turn would have spilled into other aspects of my life including professional, martial, health and emotional sides. In a funny way having a release through mongering channel helped me stay married -- I feel I would have openly cheated on my wife in an affair and that would have led to a divorce a long while ago. So, I keep this side of my life safely hidden from any prying eyes.


It's not about defending the club. It is about defending my hobby and palate for it. Most mongers have a sense of inner shame in the hobby, going through great lengths to keep it a secret. For me, this is my most time consuming hobby. As such, I've developed a sense of pride in it. I do not feel shame in it nor do I go out of my way to hide it from most people who ask. In fact, I revel at the opportunity to share info about this hobby with neophytes. With this prideful mindset, I certainly felt the need to point out that hobbyists with good taste can certainly attend mainstream clubs. It's not just superficial pride being affected by insults and emotions.

[ExpatLover]

It is commendable that you are able to openly admit your mongering exploits with pride and honesty. If more people were like you that would certainly make this hobby less of a taboo and make it easy for others to come forward. As an American I am not sure if there is more openness and less taboo to confess to this side of one's life in some of the European countries. I hope there is.

I do want to say that it is not always shame that prevents some of us from being open about this activity. As a married man, it is all but impossible for me to be anything but extremely cagey about this and to obviate the smallest hint of suspicion. Then too, what you do for a living and who are your peers matter a lot. In my job, even a slight hint of this kind of activity could only lead to disapproval from peers and this remains a at-will employment place where we have a tight knit partner type culture and most of us know our colleagues' spouses. Any gossip in this direction is death knell for my career and a well paying job.

I don't know if I am proud of my mongering exploits. I am definitely very happy about this aspect of my life. It filled a massive sexual need. Absent this, my sexual frustration would have been much worse and that in turn would have spilled into other aspects of my life including professional, martial, health and emotional sides. In a funny way having a release through mongering channel helped me stay married -- I feel I would have openly cheated on my wife in an affair and that would have led to a divorce a long while ago. So, I keep this side of my life safely hidden from any prying eyes.Married guys visiting prostitutes? Why not but probably not the best things to do, will not solve any problems in your life. If you are happy with your wife there is no reason to fuck prostitutes.

[Takedown]

Well, selectively open about it. I certainly cannot talk about it openly in a professional setting or with most women. I am as open about it as most swingers are open about their hobby. There's no need to go around proclaiming it but if a guy asks me about fun things to do while traveling, I'd be happy to lead a horse to water.


It is commendable that you are able to openly admit your mongering exploits with pride and honesty. If more people were like you that would certainly make this hobby less of a taboo and make it easy for others to come forward. As an American I am not sure if there is more openness and less taboo to confess to this side of one's life in some of the European countries. I hope there is.

I do want to say that it is not always shame that prevents some of us from being open about this activity. As a married man, it is all but impossible for me to be anything but extremely cagey about this and to obviate the smallest hint of suspicion. Then too, what you do for a living and who are your peers matter a lot. In my job, even a slight hint of this kind of activity could only lead to disapproval from peers and this remains a at-will employment place where we have a tight knit partner type culture and most of us know our colleagues' spouses. Any gossip in this direction is death knell for my career and a well paying job..

[Optimist]

Takedown. I appreciated your post. Cordial resolution of disputes, listening carefully to the other person, is essential to a healthy board. I have several times had disputes with other members, but in all but one case, have ended up on very good terms with my "opponent" even when we remain of different viewpoints.

As for quality of guests at big pond clubs or small pond clubs I agree with you totally. Visitors to mainstream clubs can have taste and skills. I would say in fact that any successful navigator of large clubs has a very good level of skills as the rocks can cause any poor navigator to founder.

Cheers.

[Kosher Kowboy]

Takedown. I appreciated your post. Cordial resolution of disputes, listening carefully to the other person, is essential to a healthy board.
Cheers.I agree Optimist. Perhaps was not needed as MacAdonis implied ( although I have always valued his opinion) but I do agree with Takedown too that it can be a refreshing change from the on board back and forth and I think Takedown deserves some credit for taking the time to explain in private rather than just taking it to the board, get any misconceptions or misinterpretations out of the way and head back to the board to further continue the topic at hand. I appreciate his ' Code Word 1' and Vinegar too when it comes to mongering and despite the age difference between he and I and our differences in how we play the game I will say I have learned and at times stolen a page out of his playbook. Since in the Mainhatten thread here I have done so in this club and I found sometimes giving the girls I really want instead of lowering my standards a tad I have paid the 150/ HR here and enjoyed a much more varied menu of activities and in some cases I can say w / o doubt the extra 50 e on the 100 vs the 150 hour has resulted in double the fun and in some cases more than double the time and not just in the zimmer but outside the zimmer on the couches; the girls are much more inclined to chill with you and shoot the shit and it isn't just at Day Care where their hands will slip under the towel. Sometimes also the 100 half is rushed while the 150 HR goes over!


My "jet set" lifestyle has adjusted to allow me more visits and time in Germany and Switzerland.Hank seems you have a lot to add for a newcomer which is great and not sure where you hail from but notice the word ' jet set. ' I have found a way thru my frequent trips and the compiling of benefits from the Airline and my AMEX co-brand with them to lock in (as long as I keep going minimum of 7-8 times a year) great airline deals and will now pay close to $300-$500 less per flight with free unlimited upgrades to Comfort+ after buying the cheapest rate. I can now fly Comfort+ for the ' JFK RT prices' which means the AUS-JFK legs or Atlanta in many cases is now a ' free leg. '.

I do wonder Hank given the fact we ' jet setters' even if from closer locales like Italy or the United Kingdom etc. Still have the lodging issue and was curious as a ' jet setter' if you would care to share your tricks of the trade as it seems you actually have a lot more knowledge demonstrated in some of your posts than a newbie like myself.

Thanks in advance Sir.

KK.

[Zumboit]

I also feel that mongering is the best hope for a sexually unfulfilling marriage. Aside from the lack of sex I am very happy in my marriage and feel that mongering has saved it. No wish to have an affair. Not sure my wife or most women would ever understand though, aside from WG's, who definitely get it.


It is

I am definitely very happy about this aspect of my life. It filled a massive sexual need.

In a funny way having a release in this channel helped me stay married -- I feel I would have openly cheated on my wife in an affair and that would have led to a divorce a long while ago. So, I keep this side of my life safely hidden from any prying eyes.

[Kosher Kowboy]

I haven't been to Mainhattan in 2-3 years. I like to know if BBBJ is normally included in a 60 min /100 E session nowadays or if it's extra.YMMV.

If you ask the girl in the above manner it will be countered with 150 in fact many of them are asking 150/ HR now to include DFK BBBJ DATY on top of the CFS. I suggest you tell them you want the DFK DATY BBBJ and CFS hour for 100 and if they say no move on. I have noticed if you ask for a BBBJ hour they will tell you that would be part of the ' Romantic ' hour, which would include the DFK BBBJ DATY CFS. Don't be shocked if they ask 200 for the ' DFK' to include tongue. Very greedy girls now. It is sort of like the auto dealer, if you want an option they will tell you that option is available but only in the next package up, tossing in a few other items but still upselling it so if you want that ' sunroof' in your new car you need to get the package with the GPS, the leather seating and dual temperature controls even if all you want is a sunroof.

But as a general rule of thumb, shop your 100 HR w BBBJ someone will take it if not fuck it go elsewhere (or pay it); all up to you. Find the German girls if you can they do not give a shit what the others say, they just want a pay day. Find the girls sitting alone in the cafe when all the other girls are around the table eating together or when you walk in the main parlor and walk towards the wellness area look to the left hand side in those two sets of couches for more outliers as well as in the smoking room the girls sitting in the back section (only if the front section is NOT full). Loners.

Loners cost less.

Good luck to you and ' I wish you a pleasant time.' ( As the receptionist will tell you verbatim, the older skinnier one)

[PayForIt]

I also feel that mongering is the best hope for a sexually unfulfilling marriage. Aside from the lack of sex I am very happy in my marriage and feel that mongering has saved it. No wish to have an affair. Not sure my wife or most women would ever understand though, aside from WG's, who definitely get it.Firstly, a big congratulations to Pessimist on his original post on this topic. I don't believe for a moment he is on his own, and neither are you Zumboit. Or me. Same camp. Great marriage, love my wife very much, sex went downhill after about 20 great years of it, and the void needs filling. Without the mongering I too would have been forced to stray, or divorce, or both, with much hurt, pain, not just for my wife and me. But for our kids (adults now) and many others.

And you are very right. The WGs get it. I've asked many if they'the be happy with their future husbands doing this. Many are truthful and say absolutely not. But that they'the rather he did this than leave and terminate an otherwise strong relationship.

For me the guilt does not go away though. I can rationalise it all day but still feel bad. But I long ago stopped the torture of trying to stop. When I did try I found myself starting to flirt with non-WGs almost subconsciously. The void still needed filling.

Truth is if you harbour the secrets of this obsession within your own mind (and the odd forum!) you are not hurting others but carrying the guilt instead of offloading it onto your loved ones if you spilled the beans. I consider therefore I have an obligation not to let the cat out of the bag. Like Pessimist. Careers would be very much jeopardised. And you know. There is also a certain retained excitement about the pursuit of forbidden fruit. Great topic. Not sure it was anything Mainhattan related but I enjoyed reading the posts. Well done for the transparency guys.

[Pessimist]

Dear PayForIt,

Thanks very much for your kind words. And I'm very happy to meet kindred mongers cut from the same cloth. At the risk of appearing to be self serving, I will say.

+1.

To both of you gentle sirs.

And you and Zumboit are so so right about WGs getting it. It is so funny and interesting what you recounted in your convos with them on this topic, because I could have had them. Indeed, I did have the same exact discussions in those same words with many FKK girls many times.

As both of you said, it is very much possible for a man to have strong love for a single woman and not have sex with her and yet fuck hundreds of attractive girls as a purely sexual activity and not feel anything about them other than physical attraction. I like them but all my life savings, my thoughts and hopes and dreams are with my wife and children.

I once was having a conversation at a party with my wife and a bunch of friends. The topic turned to Bill Clinton. I said it is very possible that Bill very much loved Hillary and his dalliance with Jennifer and Monica and others was just a physical thing. Almost all the women around me, including my wife, thought that was the dumbest and craziest thing they heard. And all of them were Dem supporters, highly educated and with sterling careers of their own. "Normal women" do not get this as you said. I quickly diverted the topic to safer grounds.

Sorry for being off topic on this thread. Perhaps we need a separate FKK support thread for married men (and another thread for those that want to bash and condemn the institution of marriage as being a total waste, for those who are so inclined to such views). Equal opportunity.


Firstly, a big congratulations to Pessimist on his original post on this topic. I don't believe for a moment he is on his own, and neither are you Zumboit. Or me. Same camp. Great marriage, love my wife very much, sex went downhill after about 20 great years of it, and the void needs filling. Without the mongering I too would have been forced to stray, or divorce, or both, with much hurt, pain, not just for my wife and me. But for our kids (adults now) and many others.

And you are very right. The WGs get it. I've asked many if they'the be happy with their future husbands doing this. Many are truthful and say absolutely not. But that they'the rather he did this than leave and terminate an otherwise strong relationship.

For me the guilt does not go away though. I can rationalise it all day but still feel bad. But I long ago stopped the torture of trying to stop. When I did try I found myself starting to flirt with non-WGs almost subconsciously. The void still needed filling.

[Gino02]

Firstly, a big congratulations to Pessimist on his original post on this topic. I don't believe for a moment he is on his own, and neither are you Zumboit. Or me. Same camp. Great marriage, love my wife very much, sex went downhill after about 20 great years of it, and the void needs filling. Without the mongering I too would have been forced to stray, or divorce, or both, with much hurt, pain, not just for my wife and me. But for our kids (adults now) and many others.

And you are very right. The WGs get it. I've asked many if they'the be happy with their future husbands doing this. Many are truthful and say absolutely not. But that they'the rather he did this than leave and terminate an otherwise strong relationship.Great that the WGs get it when you asked them, but I wonder what your loving wives would think if you asked them. That would be a real test of how strong actually is your married relationship. There was a great monger many years ago who used to come to FKK World with his wife regularly and she was absolutely encouraging him to fuck other girls because she always wanted to keep him happy. There was another monger who's wife gave him one weekend a month FKK trips to keep him happy. Both had conditions that the husband can fuck the WGs (with condoms) but they would divorce if the husband gets into any "loving relationship" with any WG.

Also, how would you react if you know that the wife you love very much, is fucking other guys (maybe working guys) on the side? Will you be OK with that information and still stay in the marriage?

[ExpatLover]

Firstly, a big congratulations to Pessimist on his original post on this topic. I don't believe for a moment he is on his own, and neither are you Zumboit. Or me. Same camp. Great marriage, love my wife very much, sex went downhill after about 20 great years of it, and the void needs filling. Without the mongering I too would have been forced to stray, or divorce, or both, with much hurt, pain, not just for my wife and me. But for our kids (adults now) and many others.

And you are very right. The WGs get it. I've asked many if they'the be happy with their future husbands doing this. Many are truthful and say absolutely not. But that they'the rather he did this than leave and terminate an otherwise strong relationship.

For me the guilt does not go away though. I can rationalise it all day but still feel bad. But I long ago stopped the torture of trying to stop. When I did try I found myself starting to flirt with non-WGs almost subconsciously. The void still needed filling.

Truth is if you harbour the secrets of this obsession within your own mind (and the odd forum!) you are not hurting others but carrying the guilt instead of offloading it onto your loved ones if you spilled the beans. I consider therefore I have an obligation not to let the cat out of the bag. Like Pessimist. Careers would be very much jeopardised. And you know. There is also a certain retained excitement about the pursuit of forbidden fruit. Great topic. Not sure it was anything Mainhattan related but I enjoyed reading the posts. Well done for the transparency guys.To solve couple problems the solution will never be to fuck prostitutes, most of us are more frustrated when we go out of the room of a FKK than when we enter. Mongering is a strong addiction like others I can easily tell it because I was also strongly addicted but fortunately I was able to solve my problems and come back to normal. I am not married but it changes nothing, we can t have a balance life when we only think when we will have our new FKK tour or visit.

[Pessimist]

To answer your question, they would not react well.

Do we really need moralizing preachers here, on a board dedicated to paid fornication? Perhaps the unmarried mongers have a sense of moral superiority and if so, far be it from me to burst it. I'm quite content and happy with my life. Married and mongering both. I am not alone and have a very fulfilling home life that I come home to every day, my wife has her own successful career and I have also had sex with several hundreds of WGs and I have yet to catch any STDs. All in all, I can't complain.

Isn't the objective to help one another on this board and not pass judgement about the personal lives of others? I believe the forum rules explicitly say we should refrain from making other men uncomfortable in their postings. To the degree they will stop posting. PayforIt and Zumboit had the courage to admit their personal issues in an honest manner and deserve praise and not jealousy. Who knows how many others are married, have girlfriends and are doing something else? Forum benefits from having an open and honest discussion about ideas, is that not the truth?

BTW, cheating on a girlfriend is not much better than cheating a wife. Hence, extending this logic, the only ones who should monger are people that can't get any girlfriends in real life.


Great that the WGs get it when you asked them, but I wonder what your loving wives would think if you asked them. That would be a real test of how strong actually is your married relationship. There was a great monger many years ago who used to come to FKK World with his wife regularly and she was absolutely encouraging him to fuck other girls because she always wanted to keep him happy. There was another monger who's wife gave him one weekend a month FKK trips to keep him happy. Both had conditions that the husband can fuck the WGs (with condoms) but they would divorce if the husband gets into any "loving relationship" with any WG.

Also, how would you react if you know that the wife you love very much, is fucking other guys (maybe working guys) on the side? Will you be OK with that information and still stay in the marriage?

[Steve 9696]

Firstly, a big congratulations to Pessimist on his original post on this topic. I don't believe for a moment he is on his own, and neither are you Zumboit. Or me. Same camp. Great marriage, love my wife very much, sex went downhill after about 20 great years of it, and the void needs filling. Without the mongering I too would have been forced to stray, or divorce, or both, with much hurt, pain, not just for my wife and me. But for our kids (adults now) and many others.

And you are very right. The WGs get it. I've asked many if they'the be happy with their future husbands doing this. Many are truthful and say absolutely not. But that they'the rather he did this than leave and terminate an otherwise strong relationship.

For me the guilt does not go away though. I can rationalise it all day but still feel bad. But I long ago stopped the torture of trying to stop. When I did try I found myself starting to flirt with non-WGs almost subconsciously. The void still needed filling.

Truth is if you harbour the secrets of this obsession within your own mind (and the odd forum!) you are not hurting others but carrying the guilt instead of offloading it onto your loved ones if you spilled the beans. I consider therefore I have an obligation not to let the cat out of the bag. Like Pessimist. Careers would be very much jeopardised. And you know. There is also a certain retained excitement about the pursuit of forbidden fruit. Great topic. Not sure it was anything Mainhattan related but I enjoyed reading the posts. Well done for the transparency guys.Big +1. I am absolutely a better husband since I started "my second life". I am more cheerful, supportive and generally a more fulfilled and therefore nice to be around person. There is no question these young ladies not only improve my life but the life, of those close to me. Ironic as it sounds.

[Gino02]

Big +1. I am absolutely a better husband since I started "my second life". I am more cheerful, supportive and generally a more fulfilled and therefore nice to be around person. There is no question these young ladies not only improve my life but the life, of those close to me. Ironic as it sounds.That's name of a best seller book right there:

"Better Husband Through My Second Life".

You are a great writer Steve, go for the book. Obviously using some handle, not real name.

[Gino02]

I think you misunderstood my question and intent. I was not trying to preach or judge the married mongers, I was (and am) merely questioning if a marriage can be called a "strong loving relationship" if any of the members of the said marriage goes to have sex outside of that marital bond and must hide that fact from the other member to keep that said "strong loving relationship" intact. I would rather call it a sham or nicely put "marital arrangement". Same goes for folks cheating on their girlfriends or boyfriends, that's a sham relationship. Unlike the "open relationships" that swingers for example are in.

I am still curious to know the point of view from the married mongers on how they would react if that "loving wife" is fucking other guys (maybe working guys) on the side. Will they be OK with that information and still stay happily in that "loving marriage"?

BTW, just because a guy chose to not going thru the trouble of having a girlfriend or wife, and found that FKKs and mongering is a much easier, less drama and financially significantly simpler option for polygamy, doesn't necessarily mean he cannot or did not get any girl in real life (though there are some who probably would have hard time to get a girl in real life). It just makes him someone who can be happy by living single. I am not saying he is smarter than the married or in-relationship folks, he just chose to stay as a polygamous single and live without the fear of being getting out to the wife or girlfriend.


To answer your question, they would not react well.

Do we really need moralizing preachers here, on a board dedicated to paid fornication? Perhaps the unmarried mongers have a sense of moral superiority and if so, far be it from me to burst it. I'm quite content and happy with my life. Married and mongering both. I am not alone and have a very fulfilling home life that I come home to every day, my wife has her own successful career and I have also had sex with several hundreds of WGs and I have yet to catch any STDs. All in all, I can't complain.

Isn't the objective to help one another on this board and not pass judgement about the personal lives of others? I believe the forum rules explicitly say we should refrain from making other men uncomfortable in their postings. To the degree they will stop posting..

[Apollyon]

To answer your question, they would not react well.
I think you misunderstood my question and intent. Not sure what any of this rubbish has to do with FKK Mainhattan. Why don't you talk among yourselves in the Lounge? I mean why don't you talk among yourself in the Lounge?

[Ulver]

YMMV.Thank you very much for your answer. Very informative and way more than I could have asked for.

I hate to have to hassle with the girls so I might just stick to sharks where I get what I want for my 100 E. If I'll go it will just be to see sweet Aurelia.

[Turgid]

............Also, how would you react if you know that the wife you love very much, is fucking other guys (maybe working guys) on the side? Will you be OK with that information and still stay in the marriage?The fact of the matter is that men have a greater need for sex than women. Many single women are quite content to abstain from sex unless a rich or handsome man with game comes along. Most men are willing to bang any woman who has a vagina. Wives are much less likely to desire extra-marital sex than husbands. Furthermore, a woman who has sex with a man other than her husband is more likely to fall in love with that man and end the marriage. Therefore, extra-marital sex is more appropriate for the man than the woman.

[McAdonis]

My thought if a poster flames, attacks, insults or is condescending towards another that other members notice and those eyes are the judges and sometimes he who takes the high road is viewed as the one who handled it better. The words used usually say more about the guy tossing the punch than the guy being punched so sometimes best to take the punch.True. You often reply to your "attacker" and are seen taking the high road, and I do believe most forum members take notice and hold you in high regard for this. But would ignoring the poster be an example of taking the high road as well? One poster here tries to conduct himself like a gentleman, but about two months ago, he sent me about seven private messages over the course of three days, mostly incoherent, and littered with insults. I never once replied. In fact, I have never sent him a PM. Was I offended? No. But I was annoyed that I had to constantly clear my inbox. Most people who constantly speak negatively about others are simply trying to make themselves feel better. They have a need to elevate themselves so they can feel superior. Many trolls are invisible in real life. So they just want a reply. Whether the reply is taking the high road or returning fire with insults, they just want attention.

I see this forum as a hobby, so if another attacks me and I found myself reacting emotionally, it's more or less a reminder for me to return to the offline world and accomplish something. For instance, if one is a high-profile person in the Internet age, that person is going to get attacked, and they should be used to the "haters". Let us imagine that you are are a nerdy scientist who is an expert in your chosen field. You would be asked to speak at conferences all over the world. You would be recognized by strangers that have actually never met you in person and you would become a magnet for criticism. That criticism comes with the territory. Accomplishing something does not necessarily have to be confined to professional achievements. It could be becoming a better friend, brother, husband, uncle or father. It could be volunteering for a charity or mentoring youth.

[McAdonis]

If you ask the girl in the above manner it will be countered with 150 in fact many of them are asking 150/ HR now to include DFK BBBJ DATY on top of the CFS. I suggest you tell them you want the DFK DATY BBBJ and CFS hour for 100 and if they say no move on.

Loners cost less.
Most of the fly ins I know who do only Dietz or NRW are the cheapest, all fly in coach, all get cheap hotels or sleep in cars, don't tip any Gypsies and eat as cheap as can be some buying cold cuts and bread at Rewe. One of the guys I go to the NRW with will pay 100 Euros for a room, 50+ on dinner but refuses to park at the hotel lot and will walk 5 blocks to save 5 Euros. People are strange with money.People are indeed strange with money.


http://danariely.com/2009/08/10/the-nuances-of-the-free-experiment/

In one trial of one study we offered students a Lindt Truffle for 26 cents and a Hersheys Kiss for 1 cent and observed the buying behavior: 40 percent went with the truffle and 40 percent with the Kiss. When we dropped the price of both chocolates by just 1 cent, we observed that suddenly 90 percent of participants opted for the free Kiss, even though the relative price between the two was the same.Your advice to mongers to walk away from bad deals and seek loners is sound advice, but it needs to be tailored to mongers based on their preferences. Some people are chocolate connoisseurs, so they would purchase the Lindt Truffle every time even if the price difference increased to 50 cents. But some people are indifferent about chocolate and may choose the Hershey Kiss every time. My point is that some mongers are so selective, that they rarely find WGs that meet their optical standards, and it is almost impossible for them to "move on" from the greedy ones. You said once that 75 percent of the LU is good enough to meet your optic requirements. If more mongers were like you in this regard, we would not have so many spoiled princesses.

[NoTaWorry]

The fact of the matter is that men have a greater need for sex than women. Many single women are quite content to abstain from sex unless a rich or handsome man with game comes along. Most men are willing to bang any woman who has a vagina. Wives are much less likely to desire extra-marital sex than husbands. Furthermore, a woman who has sex with a man other than her husband is more likely to fall in love with that man and end the marriage. Therefore, extra-marital sex is more appropriate for the man than the woman.I have female friends who would disagree. What you wrote is an easy narrative, which tells us more about you than about women.

[Turgid]

I have female friends who would disagree. What you wrote is an easy narrative, which tells us more about you than about women.I would say convenient more so than easy.

[Kosher Kowboy]

People are indeed strange with money.

Your advice to mongers to walk away from bad deals and seek loners is sound advice, but it needs to be tailored to mongers based on their preferences.
If more mongers were like you in this regard, we would not have so many spoiled princesses.Yes, money makes people behave in all kinds of funny ways.

And you are correct; if price only mattered my suggestion is fine but you tweaked it perfectly. Price and looks (or looks only) might be the motivating factor in which case my advise would be well worthless or a escape hatch if all else failed.


True. You often reply to your "attacker" and are seen taking the high road, and I do believe most forum members take notice and hold you in high regard for this. But would ignoring the poster be an example of taking the high road as well? One poster here tries to conduct himself like a gentleman, but about two months ago, he sent me about seven private messages over the course of three days, mostly incoherent, and littered with insults. I never once replied. In fact, I have never sent him a PM. Was I offended? No. But I was annoyed that I had to constantly clear my inbox. Most people who constantly speak negatively about others are simply trying to make themselves feel better. They have a need to elevate themselves so they can feel superior. Many trolls are invisible in real life. So they just want a reply. Whether the reply is taking the high road or returning fire with insults, they just want attention.

I see this forum as a hobby, so if another attacks me and I found myself reacting emotionally, it's more or less a reminder for me to return to the offline world and accomplish something. For instance, if one is a high-profile person in the Internet age, that person is going to get attacked, and they should be used to the "haters". Let us imagine that you are are a nerdy scientist who is an expert in your chosen field. You would be asked to speak at conferences all over the world. You would be recognized by strangers that have actually never met you in person and you would become a magnet for criticism. That criticism comes with the territory. Accomplishing something does not necessarily have to be confined to professional achievements. It could be becoming a better friend, brother, husband, uncle or father. It could be volunteering for a charity or mentoring youth.I agree with much of what you say, can relate to it, can relate it to others and it all makes sense. The high road can mean taking a punch and sometimes ignoring the member is best too especially if they are posting not to make a contribution but to be a jerk and in the case of Takedown (which is where this stemmed from) I did not view him being a jerk or looking to take a jab for his own happiness rather a guy dissenting and in that case took the punch or what I thought was a punch either way I hold him in different regards (I respect the guy) as opposed to one guy who took a jab clueless as to the subject matter at hand and I ignored him, as I always have and as others do as well I notice. All done on a case by case basis. As to trolls we say here' do not feed the trolls' meaning ignore them, and hope they go away. Trolls come in many different forms, someone called me a troll once couldn't figure out why as I consider myself a contributor of good information (at times perhaps too opinionated but most of us can be) so I ignored him. Let others take note as you say.

Trolls and troublemakers often run hand in hand at least on our boards here often the staffs will let them post away and call it ' the rope to hang themselves' and in time they always do. Trolls often implode, get banned or simply go away. If they are fed they stick around often increasing their bad behavior.

Sorry you had to deal with someone spamming you with PMs; sure beats being asked for money 7 times!!

As I said above all insults, slams, attacks can vary and all handled on a case by case basis.

[JFlyMeDown]

Had a two day layover (5/28-5/29) in Frankfurt before going to England and decide to stop by the Mainhattan. Pretty close to where I was staying so decided to just walk. My first time in a FKK so I'll admit it was a great experience. Paid the 65 EUR to enter and just decide to walk around and enjoy a coffee and the view. It was roughly around 6 pm and there were about 20-30 girls total. Not that many hobbyists around so the ratio was well maintained. Did a lot of reading in the forum so I felt comfortable when it came to the prices. 50 E /30 M was the standard with a couple just trying to upsell you on everything. Decided to try out a Romanian / Spaniard. Well portioned all around and very nice (forgot the name! Didn't haggle me to go to a room so we chatted up a bit then proceeded to a room. Standard for the 30 minutes and got a complimentary BBBJ so I threw an extra 5 EUR. The total damage was 55 EUR for 30 min. We continued talking for a while and then off to the showers I went for a refreshment. Stayed approximately 6 hours total and served 4 different girls (all Romanians). Again since it was my first FKK I was overwhelmed! I did my best to play it cool and never gave up on the price. I have done Tijuana and cities in Colombia, but this feature is great! Hope to roam around Germany for more opportunities. Thanks to everyone here for all the details.

[Turgid]

Had a two day layover (5/28-5/29) in Frankfurt before going to England and decide to stop by the Mainhattan. Pretty close to where I was staying so decided to just walk. My first time in a FKK so I'll admit it was a great experience. Paid the 65 EUR to enter and just decide to walk around and enjoy a coffee and the view. It was roughly around 6 pm and there were about 20-30 girls total. Not that many hobbyists around so the ratio was well maintained. Did a lot of reading in the forum so I felt comfortable when it came to the prices. 50 E /30 M was the standard with a couple just trying to upsell you on everything. Decided to try out a Romanian / Spaniard. Well portioned all around and very nice (forgot the name! Didn't haggle me to go to a room so we chatted up a bit then proceeded to a room. Standard for the 30 minutes and got a complimentary BBBJ so I threw an extra 5 EUR. The total damage was 55 EUR for 30 min. We continued talking for a while and then off to the showers I went for a refreshment. Stayed approximately 6 hours total and served 4 different girls (all Romanians). Again since it was my first FKK I was overwhelmed! I did my best to play it cool and never gave up on the price. I have done Tijuana and cities in Colombia, but this feature is great! Hope to roam around Germany for more opportunities. Thanks to everyone here for all the details.For a first timer to FKK sticking to 50 E /30 m in four sessions and getting reasonably good service is phenomenal. I have been to FKKs hundreds of times and not sure I can match that.

[Gino02]

For a first timer to FKK sticking to 50 E /30 m in four sessions and getting reasonably good service is phenomenal. I have been to FKKs hundreds of times and not sure I can match that.Agreed. JFlyMeDown showed us that a smart customer can get standard service at standard rates even in his very first visit, even at a FKK with upselling or increased prices rumors in 2019.

[Voyajer1]

Words to live by: Never give up on the price. Once that is over, then get on with your business. Remember always, you carry the hammer (EUROS). Once these girls label you a sucker (Paying 2 X, 3 X, 4 X the going rate), its going to stick to you no matter what FKK you go to. Ladies tend to communicate everything about us among each other: Our preferences, our tendencies, what we like to do in the rooms, how often we go to the room, etc. Once they know that you ain't budging and the need for Euros kicks in, they tend to be very coy and provide in a lot of cases very good services. It takes patience. Of course, stay away from the hard headed, hard-core upsellers. It doesn't take long to spot them, because they chase a very specific clientele (Suckers, tourists, etc.), stick together and won't approach you.


Did a lot of reading in the forum so I felt comfortable when it came to the prices. 50 E /30 M was the standard with a couple just trying to upsell you on everything. Stayed approximately 6 hours total and served 4 different girls (all Romanians). Again since it was my first FKK I was overwhelmed! I did my best to play it cool and never gave up on the price. Thanks to everyone here for all the details.

[Turgid]

Words to live by: Never give up on the price. Once that is over, then get on with your business. Remember always, you carry the hammer (EUROS). Once these girls label you a sucker (Paying 2 X, 3 X, 4 X the going rate), its going to stick to you no matter what FKK you go to. Ladies tend to communicate everything about us among each other: Our preferences, our tendencies, what we like to do in the rooms, how often we go to the room, etc. Once they know that you ain't budging and the need for Euros kicks in, they tend to be very coy and provide in a lot of cases very good services. It takes patience. Of course, stay away from the hard headed, hard-core upsellers. It doesn't take long to spot them, because they chase a very specific clientele (Suckers, tourists, etc.), stick together and won't approach you.I know that is certainly true in Sharks. All the girls know about me and my likes and dislikes. Those who are not interested avoid me. Fortunately they are in the minority. I have not had a bad session since April.

[OneCupOfMe]

I am not sure about your comments. I am quite selective about the girls I choose and have no problem saying no to them. But if I like someone and want to go into room with them, I have no problem paying the price they are asking. It is what it is. Expensive or not, if I like it, I just go for it. What I won't do are upsellers and aggressive girls. Does it make me a "sucker", I don't think so. Girls tends to be relax when you pay what they need. Doe sit give me a better experience? Not necessarily. Girls might talk amongst themselves, but they'll still come regardless. In the end, I'm the suckers with the hammer that decides if I agree on that cost.


Words to live by: Never give up on the price. Once that is over, then get on with your business. Remember always, you carry the hammer (EUROS). Once these girls label you a sucker (Paying 2 X, 3 X, 4 X the going rate), its going to stick to you no matter what FKK you go to. Ladies tend to communicate everything about us among each other: Our preferences, our tendencies, what we like to do in the rooms, how often we go to the room, etc. Once they know that you ain't budging and the need for Euros kicks in, they tend to be very coy and provide in a lot of cases very good services. It takes patience. Of course, stay away from the hard headed, hard-core upsellers. It doesn't take long to spot them, because they chase a very specific clientele (Suckers, tourists, etc.), stick together and won't approach you.

[Thanos2019]

There are 3 groups of people on ISG.

First group members think 50 is 50 and a girl needs to provide all services for 50. This includes BBBJ and kissing for sure, sex in multiple positions, perhaps even some ball sucking, FIV, fia, and even rimming. They do not like guys who pay extra money for any of the above services and they call such men tourists and suckers and clueless and worse.

Second group members think 50 is not very much money. Typically members of this group are somewhat affluent or at least they can afford to spend some amount of money in the clubs. These men are willing to pay 100 E or even more for 30 minute sessions to obtain many of the services mentioned above, especially if the girl is pretty. They also look down on members of group 1 and call them cheap Charlie's.

The third group is not very vocal here but they exist. They think it is best to be flexible. Sometimes these men pay extra money for some services and at other times they are strict in their purchases of services. I fall into group 3 most of the time, and perhaps you do as well.


I am not sure about your comments. I am quite selective about the girls I choose and have no problem saying no to them. But if I like someone and want to go into room with them, I have no problem paying the price they are asking. It is what it is. Expensive or not, if I like it, I just go for it. What I won't do are upsellers and aggressive girls. Does it make me a "sucker", I don't think so. Girls tends to be relax when you pay what they need. Doe sit give me a better experience? Not necessarily. Girls might talk amongst themselves, but they'll still come regardless. In the end, I'm the suckers with the hammer that decides if I agree on that cost.

[Samson Monger]

I am not sure about your comments. I am quite selective about the girls I choose and have no problem saying no to them. But if I like someone and want to go into room with them, I have no problem paying the price they are asking. It is what it is. Expensive or not, if I like it, I just go for it. What I won't do are upsellers and aggressive girls. Does it make me a "sucker", I don't think so. Girls tends to be relax when you pay what they need. Doe sit give me a better experience? Not necessarily. Girls might talk amongst themselves, but they'll still come regardless. In the end, I'm the suckers with the hammer that decides if I agree on that cost.It depends. The girl that is charging above club rate, does she sometimes give the same service to others for a lower price? If she does, then you're a sucker.

[Turgid]

There are 3 groups of people on ISG.

First group members think 50 is 50 and a girl needs to provide all services for 50. This includes BBBJ and kissing for sure, sex in multiple positions, perhaps even some ball sucking, FIV, fia, and even rimming. They do not like guys who pay extra money for any of the above services and they call such men tourists and suckers and clueless and worse.

Second group members think 50 is not very much money. Typically members of this group are somewhat affluent or at least they can afford to spend some amount of money in the clubs. These men are willing to pay 100 E or even more for 30 minute sessions to obtain many of the services mentioned above, especially if the girl is pretty. They also look down on members of group 1 and call them cheap Charlie's.

The third group is not very vocal here but they exist. They think it is best to be flexible. Sometimes these men pay extra money for some services and at other times they are strict in their purchases of services. I fall into group 3 most of the time, and perhaps you do as well.Girls who work in FKKs can be divided into three groups:

Firstly, those who provide the required service for the required price (50/30 m, 100/1 hr, 150/1 1/2 hr, etc.).

Secondly, those who will not work for the required price but only for a higher price.

Thirdly, those who want to work for a higher price but will accept lower.

The ladies in the third group generally provide poor service in spite of how much you pay them. They are all about the money.

There are guys who pay the ladies in the first group extra and believe that they have gotten better service for more money having never gotten service from them for less.

The ladies in the second group will generally give good service for more money and I will choose them over and above those in the third group. I try my best to avoid girls in the third group wherever possible.

[ExpatLover]

Girls who work in FKKs can be divided into three groups:

Firstly, those who provide the required service for the required price (50/30 m, 100/1 hr, 150/1 1/2 hr, etc.).

Secondly, those who will not work for the required price but only for a higher price.

Thirdly, those who want to work for a higher price but will accept lower.

The ladies in the third group generally provide poor service in spite of how much you pay them. They are all about the money.

There are guys who pay the ladies in the first group extra and believe that they have gotten better service for more money having never gotten service from them for less.

The ladies in the second group will generally give good service for more money and I will choose them over and above those in the third group. I try my best to avoid girls in the third group wherever possible.And the mongers can be divided in how many groups? The most valuable one for all the prostitutes are those paying very well and no fucking a lot.

[Theo110]

Checked into Mainhatten around 11 pm Sunday 6/9. Probably about 30 men and 30 women in the club about even. They left food out until I left at 1 but they never replenished it. Was not very appetizing all I ate was some pudding. Casting in this place is a level below Sharks and Oase. This place seems to be filled with trashy tatted dark skinned Romanians which is the standard for all FKKS. Want to go to a place with the "average standard " for casting this is it. I walked in and the bartender was overwhelmed took 20 minutes to get a soft drink. Got approached immediately by a short brunette with saggy tits, looked kind of young looking. I don't remember her name, lucky for her. She has the look I am into, average to slim body, tanned, brunette, petite. She was totally coked up out of her mind, had a lot of energy and was very friendly. She wanted to go to the room, I said what do you do, she said everything. I said great. I go back to the room I lay on the bed hopeing to get started, instead she starts talking prices. In my mind I'm like great here we go. She offered me Cocaine and Viagra which I politely declined. She then told me that if I wanted anything other than a blowjob with condom and sex with no foreplay of touching of any kind I would need to give her 100 euros for an hour. She then said if I wanted "everything" BBBJ, "erotic massage" kissing it would be 150 for half an hour, 200 for an hour. I said no and left the room. Ended up paying her 50 Euros for 20 minutes of her upselling standard services you get included in the good FKK's. I brought this up to the reception who told me the girls can charge whatever they want and that if I want to have a good time I shouldn't be so cheap. I informed her I would be taking my business to Sharks and left.

I wouldn't mind paying a little extra for "extras" however every time I agree to a 60 minute room or to extras the service is terrible anyway. Its not really about the money its just when a girl starts the upselling alarm bells go off in my head saying that even if I give her the money she is probably going to be terrible. Nothing ruins a room more for me then when a girl tries to sell "erotic massage" aka foreplay.

[Jolokia]

Girls who work in FKKs can be divided into three groups:

Firstly, those who provide the required service for the required price (50/30 m, 100/1 hr, 150/1 1/2 hr, etc.).

Secondly, those who will not work for the required price but only for a higher price.

Thirdly, those who want to work for a higher price but will accept lower.My friend, please to don't forgetting:

Fourthly, those who do not want to work but wish to be paid for not working.

(example): con-artist girl who agree to 100/1 HR before enter the room, but then once in room all she do keep talk to try to "re-negotiate" up to 100/30 m for same service while not providing any actual service. Objective is to annoy you so much with her dishonesty such you consider paying her to just leaving you alone for the eternity.

[ExpatLover]

Checked into Mainhatten around 11 pm Sunday 6/9. Probably about 30 men and 30 women in the club about even. They left food out until I left at 1 but they never replenished it. Was not very appetizing all I ate was some pudding. Casting in this place is a level below Sharks and Oase. This place seems to be filled with trashy tatted dark skinned Romanians which is the standard for all FKKS. Want to go to a place with the "average standard " for casting this is it. I walked in and the bartender was overwhelmed took 20 minutes to get a soft drink. Got approached immediately by a short brunette with saggy tits, looked kind of young looking. I don't remember her name, lucky for her. She has the look I am into, average to slim body, tanned, brunette, petite. She was totally coked up out of her mind, had a lot of energy and was very friendly. She wanted to go to the room, I said what do you do, she said everything. I said great. I go back to the room I lay on the bed hopeing to get started, instead she starts talking prices. In my mind I'm like great here we go. She offered me Cocaine and Viagra which I politely declined. She then told me that if I wanted anything other than a blowjob with condom and sex with no foreplay of touching of any kind I would need to give her 100 euros for an hour. She then said if I wanted "everything" BBBJ, "erotic massage" kissing it would be 150 for half an hour, 200 for an hour. I said no and left the room. Ended up paying her 50 Euros for 20 minutes of her upselling standard services you get included in the good FKK's. I brought this up to the reception who told me the girls can charge whatever they want and that if I want to have a good time I shouldn't be so cheap. I informed her I would be taking my business to Sharks and left.

I wouldn't mind paying a little extra for "extras" however every time I agree to a 60 minute room or to extras the service is terrible anyway. Its not really about the money its just when a girl starts the upselling alarm bells go off in my head saying that even if I give her the money she is probably going to be terrible. Nothing ruins a room more for me then when a girl tries to sell "erotic massage" aka foreplay.Never enter a unknow FKK late in the evening, Manhattan at this time is mostly a Turkish nightclub. When a girl propose you alcool, viagra, or drugs runaway as far as you can, we are here for sex nothing else. I repeat it again and again with the new law the girls can charge what they want the club managers have legally no right to fix any price.

[Turgid]

..........I wouldn't mind paying a little extra for "extras" however every time I agree to a 60 minute room or to extras the service is terrible anyway. Its not really about the money its just when a girl starts the upselling alarm bells go off in my head saying that even if I give her the money she is probably going to be terrible. Nothing ruins a room more for me then when a girl tries to sell "erotic massage" aka foreplay.Good to read an honest report. I think there are many guys too ashamed to admit they were scammed when paying extra.

[Turgid]

My friend, please to don't forgetting:

Fourthly, those who do not want to work but wish to be paid for not working.

(example): con-artist girl who agree to 100/1 HR before enter the room, but then once in room all she do keep talk to try to "re-negotiate" up to 100/30 m for same service while not providing any actual service. Objective is to annoy you so much with her dishonesty such you consider paying her to just leaving you alone for the eternity.Those are not providers, just swindlers posing as providers.

[JustinRose]

In case you had 7 hrs to spend from Monday morning in Frankfurt, approaching from airport, would you choose Palace, Mainhattan or perhaps some other easy Access Place for some half day entertainment?

I wouldn't like to level the standard below the Mainhattan, which should be basically OK.

Cheers,

Justin.

[Member #4636]

In case you had 7 hrs to spend from Monday morning in Frankfurt, approaching from airport, would you choose Palace, Mainhattan or perhaps some other easy Access Place for some half day entertainment?

I wouldn't like to level the standard below the Mainhattan, which should be basically OK.

Cheers,

Justin.Best choice would be to take bus air from airport go sharks and go back the same way.

Monday morning in Palace? You and the Barman, in Manhattan maybe a bit better but after 3 pm.

[ExpatLover]

In case you had 7 hrs to spend from Monday morning in Frankfurt, approaching from airport, would you choose Palace, Mainhattan or perhaps some other easy Access Place for some half day entertainment?

I wouldn't like to level the standard below the Mainhattan, which should be basically OK.

Cheers,

Justin.Better to try a big club like Shark, or Oase, but be ready to have few girls in the first hours in summer time.

[Shark16]

I wouldn't mind paying a little extra for "extras" however every time I agree to a 60 minute room or to extras the service is terrible anyway. Its not really about the money its just when a girl starts the upselling alarm bells go off in my head saying that even if I give her the money she is probably going to be terrible. +1. I could not agree more.

There are some gents that believe that paying extra ascertain good service or that you "need to" pay extra to those with good optics. They could not be more wrong. Quite to the contrary I find upsellers more often to be horrible performers and/or scam artists. Avoid!

I am known to be a 60 mnts guy. But I would never "agree to" a 60 mnts session with a new girl (my regulars never ask me this silly question anyway). I will always counter "it's all up to you. If first half hour is good I may extend". The good providers get the message. The scam artists usually leave in a huff.

The more pushover you are, the more upselling you will experience. It's all up to you.

[Sirioja]

+1. I could not agree more.

There are some gents that believe that paying extra ascertain good service or that you "need to" pay extra to those with good optics. They could not be more wrong. Quite to the contrary I find upsellers more often to be horrible performers and/or scam artists. Avoid!

I am known to be a 60 mnts guy. But I would never "agree to" a 60 mnts session with a new girl (my regulars never ask me this silly question anyway). I will always counter "it's all up to you. If first half hour is good I may extend". The good providers get the message. The scam artists usually leave in a huff.

The more pushover you are, the more upselling you will experience. It's all up to you.Upsellers are usually not the most smart, nor the prettiest, nor the highest level. Upselling for kissing usually mean not natural, nor fluent, but robot kissing.

[Turgid]

+1. I could not agree more.

There are some gents that believe that paying extra ascertain good service or that you "need to" pay extra to those with good optics. They could not be more wrong. Quite to the contrary I find upsellers more often to be horrible performers and/or scam artists. Avoid!

I am known to be a 60 mnts guy. But I would never "agree to" a 60 mnts session with a new girl (my regulars never ask me this silly question anyway). I will always counter "it's all up to you. If first half hour is good I may extend". The good providers get the message. The scam artists usually leave in a huff.

The more pushover you are, the more upselling you will experience. It's all up to you.I am a 50/30 guy and never do 100/30 or 100/60 for that matter with a girl who requests it in the room. If I am enjoying the session I would request 100/60.

[ExpatLover]

I am a 50/30 guy and never do 100/30 or 100/60 for that matter with a girl who requests it in the room. If I am enjoying the session I would request 100/60.I am afraid that you will only get minimum service from average looking girls, I am only paying 50 for 30 minutes but never stay 30 minutes or I leave the room after few minutes if not seconds or I will stay with her several hours.

[Theo110]

Best choice would be to take bus air from airport go sharks and go back the same way.

Monday morning in Palace? You and the Barman, in Manhattan maybe a bit better but after 3 pm.I agree Sharks is the place to hit if you have 7 hours from the airport. I wouldent mess around with trains and such to save 50 Euros if your on a time crunch. If you have limited time just take a cab go straight to sharks and back to the airport. Not much time difference in time getting from the airport to Sharks, Palace, or Mainhatten. Sharks is always the better bet. Uber is legal in Germany now but not extremely common. Download My Taxi as a backup if an uber is not available.

[FuckedUpSwede]

FKK Mainhattan was my first FKK 10 month ago, but certanly not my last! How time flies when you have a good time.

Since then I have hit 14 different FKK: s so I may have a better perspective now sort of speak.

I now see it as a average club, very touristic and in the same League as for example Samya in Cologne.

Not really my favourite setting since it sets a mood I do not really like. Its "fuck and forget" and I am looking for memorable sexual experiences.

Of course you can find gems in this club, and I did, but you must know what to look for.

The best thing about this club is its availability since I can sit there all day and drink free beer as a starter before taking a cab to city going out to technoclubs all night. It is also easy to reach by tram the day after to spend the hangover.

[PayForIt]

FKK Mainhattan was my first FKK 10 month ago, but certanly not my last! How time flies when you have a good time.

Since then I have hit 14 different FKK: s so I may have a better perspective now sort of speak.
I did something similar when I first discovered these magical venues! Would be really interested for you to post your list of your top 5 and bottom 3 with reasons. Maybe in the Lounge and Chat thread.

[FuckedUpSwede]

Would be really interested for you to post your list of your top 5 and bottom 3 with reasons. Maybe in the Lounge and Chat thread.I will certainly do that when my long trip is finished in about 1 week.

[Sirioja]

FKK Mainhattan was my first FKK 10 month ago, but certanly not my last! How time flies when you have a good time.

Since then I have hit 14 different FKK: s so I may have a better perspective now sort of speak.

I now see it as a average club, very touristic and in the same League as for example Samya in Cologne.

Not really my favourite setting since it sets a mood I do not really like. Its "fuck and forget" and I am looking for memorable sexual experiences.

Of course you can find gems in this club, and I did, but you must know what to look for.

The best thing about this club is its availability since I can sit there all day and drink free beer as a starter before taking a cab to city going out to technoclubs all night. It is also easy to reach by tram the day after to spend the hangover.No comparison for me between Mainhattan and Samya. For wellness, Mainhattan, but for fresh, firm beauties, Samya with also much better bar services when you don't order alcohol. Even Sharks is better than Mainhattan bar, no Blondi at Mainhattan, who remember my drink.

[Global1810]

I've been away from FKKs for 3 years.

I have an unplanned visit tomorrow (Sunday).

Reading the reviews everyone seems to have all negative. I was planning to visit Mainhattan or Sharks but now unsure.

Can anyone give a recommendation?

Reviews to follow.

[XXL]

First off don't try walking to this FKK from downtown. There are near-impassable interchanges with cut-throat tunnels and a few roaming junkies.

75 entry, food among my worst ever in an FKK.

Unsollicited girls difficult to shake off. M to F ratio on the high side but still a long way to go before it became a sausage fest. Girls fairly busy though.

First girl asked me what I was prepared to pay for my standard program which I had described as "69, then condom and doggy". We settled on 80 euro. She insisted on putting on my Sagami with her lips, in which she predictably failed, then only reluctantly accepted to go on with the Sagami. BJ mediocre, service half-hearted.

2nd girl said my above standard program cost 100. Normally not putting the condom on until intercourse cost 150 she said, so I was being done a favour. Anyway she didn't deliver and provided zero BJ while in 69. She tried to sell me her ED rubber tyre when the time came to put on my Sagami although she had initially okayed the latter. Second rate body and 3rd rate service, glad to be out of the room.

I went with a 3rd girl to the room but we bounced back from the room at once when she said niet to the Sagami.

Upselling, poor service, pig-headedness, 75 + 80 + 100 = 250 wasted. More evenings like this one and I'll need to reconsider mongering at all in Europe, thank you.

Friday Oase.

[Kosher Kowboy]

Upselling, poor service, pig-headedness, 75 + 80 + 100 = 250 wasted. More evenings like this one and I'll need to reconsider mongering at all in Europe, thank you.

Friday Oase.My experiences have been a tad different but I think they are a little nicer to me only because I have been so much but I think you described the club pretty accurately as it is today. Europe has much to offer outside GER ( sure beats the shitholes in my part of the world) and in GER as I have learned the last two years there exists so much beyond the tourist traps. I have been sticking to the RTC scene, the indies, (2) girls here locally that offer incall service much to my liking and now that I have been going and am a familiar face in the RLD great service can be found for 25-50 Euros. 25/30 gets you a great 20 minutes with BBBJ / CFS; 35-50 gets you religious sessions.

I like to go fuck at cheap places than for ' facilities' go to the day spas like Rebenstock (sp? Titus, the one near Oase etc. Anything over 50 for 30 min w BBBJ or the same for 100 for 60 min is too much better said ' once and a while' but I am also budgeting myself in all fairness to these places. If I were here only 4-5 days I would probably be more inclined to go but with so many brothels / private houses in and around Frankfurt or an hour or two drive away I am finding getting out of the Big 5 is a great option but to each their own.

As long as one is happy is all that matters.

I agree with you, Mainhatten fucking sucks now but as we know all is cyclical and I am sure come fall this will change late September on. I am just rolling with the tide these days. Explore, find new options, adjust to the scene as it changes etc.

[PayForIt]

First off don't try walking to this FKK from downtown. There are near-impassable interchanges with cut-throat tunnels and a few roaming junkies.

75 entry, food among my worst ever in an FKK.

Hope Oase is better for you. It's odd how clubs rise and fall. 2018 and early this year I had 4 or 5 excellent nights at Mainhattan. Last week (Thursday) I left Palace in a cab and came to Mainhattan. I was in the club exactly 17 minutes before getting back in the cab to Palace! I saw no more than 8 girls. I felt like the club had closed.

What's happened? I know it is summer and girls go on holiday. But Palace, Sharks and Oase were all good.

Can you let us know where you buy your Sagamis please?

[XXL]

Hope Oase is better for you. It's odd how clubs rise and fall. ....

Can you let us know where you buy your Sagamis please?No more Sagamis in Germany since Germany's Billy Boy brand discontinued them (patent litigation? Pressure from the Durex mafia?). I wrote to Billy Boy about this but they gave me a song and a dance.

I stock up when I am in Thailand or I order through Amazon (Japanese import).

[Sirioja]

Entry increased to 75 at Mainhattan now? When Palace is 50 until 5 pm and Oase until 4 pm.

[Gino02]

No more Sagamis in Germany since Germany's Billy Boy brand discontinued them (patent litigation? Pressure from the Durex mafia?). I wrote to Billy Boy about this but they gave me a song and a dance.

I stock up when I am in Thailand or I order through Amazon (Japanese import).Amazon doesn't sell Sagamai in US for more than a year now, but you still can get from https://allfromjapan.com/ delivered to US, and probably to other countries too. They send direct from Japan, no issues in my order couple of months back, but costs much more than what Amazon used to sell in US. They also sell Okamoto 0. 01 which is even thinner than Sagami 0. 01.

[Jimmy Boy 99]

Amazon doesn't sell Sagamai in US for more than a year now, but you still can get from https://allfromjapan.com/ delivered to US, and probably to other countries too. They send direct from Japan, no issues in my order couple of months back, but costs much more than what Amazon used to sell in US. They also sell Okamoto 0. 01 which is even thinner than Sagami 0. 01.You can get them on ebay.com at more reasonable prices.

[Den Haag]

75 entry, food among my worst ever in an FKK.

Unsollicited girls difficult to shake off.

Upselling, poor service, pig-headedness, 75 + 80 + 100 = 250 wasted. More evenings like this one and I'll need to reconsider mongering at all in Europe, thank you.Mainhattan, along with Palace, have always been hit or miss clubs, although without any doubt much worse now than ever with regard to value for money. Always the poor relation when compared to the Hessen Super-Clubs (Oase and Sharks and even World when this club was good), Mainhattan (and Palace) have always tended to cater for visitors to Frankfurt City and, unless you are a regular, can sometimes be hard on your wallet. Gauging is now a problem with most Frankfurt clubs particularly if you are an infrequent club visitor. Mainhattan just seems to be worse than some of the others at the moment.

[Arnold15]

I had 2 excellent days at Mainhattan.

Entry fee = 50 Euro each day with bath robe.

Remarkable Romanian Bella is back after 7 months vacation. I think I have had sessions with 50-60 different girls at this club during 6 years. And Bella is without competition the best. Beautiful, high service and high social competence.

Breakfast is the best among more than 20 clubs I have visited.

Lunch and Dinner are ordinary but not bad.

Had 5 sessions in 2 days. Total cost = 400 Euro. Good value for money.

I experienced no up-selling at all.

[Den Haag]

I had 2 excellent days at Mainhattan.

Entry fee = 50 Euro each day with bath robe.

I think I have had sessions with 50-60 different girls at this club during 6 years. And Bella is without competition the best.

Breakfast is the best among more than 20 clubs I have visited.

Lunch and Dinner are ordinary but not bad.

Had 5 sessions in 2 days. Total cost = 400 Euro. Good value for money.

I experienced no up-selling at all.Chances are that if you have had sessions with 50 to 60 girls over 6 years and presumably with some girls a number of times, the chances are you are a frequent enough visitor to this club and therefore somewhat known by at least some of the girls.

Your more frequent visits also allow you some local knowledge with regard to which girls are good providers or not. My point being that your experience does not invalidate the recent bad experience of XXL who may be a less frequent visitor to this club or who may have just been plain unlucky on the day of his visit. Clubs in or around Frankfurt are to a greater or lesser extent tourist traps and service levels can be somewhat hit or miss in all of the clubs particularly if you don't have any local knowledge.

[Sirioja]

On their website, normal entry is 65, not 75 ? Maybe with robe in gold? And happy hours are 45 , when desk ask 50. Not only girls upselling at Mainhattan, when Palace or Oase or Sharks are very honest about discount entry rate. A bit complicated at World, but no fucking from desk.

[Arnold15]

Chances are that if you have had sessions with 50 to 60 girls over 6 years and presumably with some girls a number of times, the chances are you are a frequent enough visitor to this club and therefore somewhat known by at least some of the girls.

Your more frequent visits also allow you some local knowledge with regard to which girls are good providers or not. My point being that your experience does not invalidate the recent bad experience of XXL who may be a less frequent visitor to this club or who may have just been plain unlucky on the day of his visit. Clubs in or around Frankfurt are to a greater or lesser extent tourist traps and service levels can be somewhat hit or miss in all of the clubs particularly if you don't have any local knowledge.For sure, XXL made his first visit at Mainhattan.

Many first-timers at a club expect the same level of service as regular clients receive.

But they will not get that. Unless they have a prepared strategy.

First-timers make a lot of mistakes.

And they are penalized with up-selling.

Some important advices when you visit a new club for the first time:

Arrive early and make as many observations as you can before going to a room. Do not arrive at midnight first time.

Important observations:

*Which girls are calm, and which are sharky?

*Where can I relax without people disturbing me?

*Where is everything located (wc, sauna, kitchen, rooms, etc), so I do not need to ask the girls about it.

*Never tell girls you visit the club first time. Act as a an experienced visitor.

[ItaStallion]

Last Sunday, August 11th 2019, I really wanted to relax and fuck, being in the Frankfurt area I was able to organize a day at FKK Mainhattan, which is perhaps the easiest Sauna Club to reach from Frankfurt Central Station.

The last time that I have been there was about two years, when there was an Italian lady who did the cleaning, and the place, I remember, was very clean and well maintained. It smelled of clean in every corner.

Unfortunately, things have changed a little in recent times, I found everything a little worse, from the cleanliness to the quality of the food.

Furthermore, I was unlucky, the jacuzzi was out of order, due to maintenance.

The price for the entry has not changed, 45,00 if you come within a certain time (which depending on the day of the week), or 65,00 full price.

I was expecting a very quiet day, since it was a Sunday in August, and so it was. At rush hour, around 7:00 pm, there were about twenty girls and thirty men. Only a couple of girls were nice, the others almost all passable.

It was evening and I still hadn't fucked one, I was almost convinced that I didn't want to fuck one. Unfortunately, unlike two years ago, even here (like at the FKK Sharks, etc.) the girls now demand 100.00 for the half hour plus some small services, which were previously considered included in the price.

Even the least attractive girl, asked me for 100.00 for half an hour plus kisses and 69. Two years ago at the FKK Mainhattan, always on a Sunday in August, I fucked two girls and they kissed with tongue for 50,00 and they did the 69 without problems.

While last Sunday, a girl I asked if she included such services, she even replied that because of the new law I had to give him 50.00 more to get the same services, I replied that I didn't care if she does the blowjob with or without condom, I only cared about full kiss and 69, but there was no way, she wanted at least 100.00 for the half hour. Obviously I bounced her.

Instead, when I finally decided to go in the room with a girl, one of the prettiest, blonde, small body, skinny, with a nice ass, she bounced me!

Then, blinded by the pride, I called her friend, she also very pretty, blond hair (maybe real), blue eyes, skinny, with well proportioned physique, as a model, and with a rose tattooed on her back along with the phrase "La vie en rose". I offered them a duet with her and the girl who bounced me, half an hour, 100.00 each, including full kiss and 69. They accepted.

In the room, it was very nice to see (and feel) these two that alternate in sucking and fucking above me, yet my requests were not fully met, I not had full kisses and 69, neither doggy. However it was a nice experience, but too expensive. The service was not worth the price. Too much for at max twenty minute of intercourse.

I paid more to get less than I received two years ago. Nowadays girls at the FKK Mainhattan are too greed and not provide a good service.

Furthermore, one of them said she was Hungarian, from Budapest, and the other from Kazakhstan, but in the end they communicated with each other in Romanian, so I guess they were lying.

I told them that I don't care about the nationality, I only care about the beauty and the service, they replied me that they came in the room with me only because I told them that I'm Italian, they thought I was Albanian and they said that they don't go in the room with Albanians! They are racist!

Later, tired, I went to lie down in the Kino, trying to sleep a little because I had to work the next day, but I had to deal with several assaults by the girls.

One girl in particular, blonde (fake), with very large boobs, naturals but saggy, she had aimed at me and I had to surrender.

She came back with her friend, and I had another duet, they practically (almost) raped me, but this time I agreed for 50.00 each.

It was a great experience, I enjoyed seeing (and feeling) the two girl alternating on me, even if not even the two of them satisfied me. No kisses and 69, neither doggy. Just fifteen minutes of intercourse. But this time the expense was cheaper.

In conclusion, I believe that the FKK Mainhattan is always a good Sauna Club, because it is easy to reach, it is small but equipped with every comfort (double sauna, jacuzzi, outdoor area, kino (cinema), smokers area, etc.), with a competitive entry price.

But the cleanliness, the quality of the food, the kindness of the staff is not at high levels.

And the lineup is weak and the girls demand too much money in exchange of really poor service. I wasted 300,00 euro for bad service.

I will not came back soon.

[Den Haag]

Last Sunday, August 11th 2019, I was able to organize a day at FKK MainhattanThanks for the report. It would be very helpful if you could maybe include the girls names next time. Thanks again.

[ItaStallion]

Thanks for the report. It would be very helpful if you could maybe include the girls names next time. Thanks again.I'll try the next time, for me is very difficult to remember the names, I have a very short memory, sorry.

[Onur Boss]

I have been this club just yesterday. It was around 15.30. I reached here via lime electricity bicycle.

And to reach there from hauptbanhof is easy can use the 11 numbered train. The place is small. To smoke in all place not allowed. Entry was 65 , the goods were bad. There were around 20 girls and 15 man.

The Lu did not match with my expectations. I have been to Artemis, sharks, the palace for this FKK land.

Mostly Romanian girl. They push you to get room. Mostly they do not speak price before going room. And the interesting fact is; they are all the same for additional service price. And I think a boring place. The bar service very bad. They even do not serve tea. I made two room. The first one was with a Romanian girl. She has tattoo at right arm and left arm as well. Short hair and look green eyes. She is very naughty. Always looking to speak someone. This was my mistake that she offered room and I accepted. Can't remember her name, height is 160/165 maks.

I told her I want normal and standard service. Blowjob with condom and several position. It was a hot place inside this is why I wanted handjob. But no; she is not a girl to get service. I have good and enough experiences in FKK lands and this was the worst for me. We finished but even handjob she is not good.

The second session was with gorgeous Roza, a girl from Hungary, brunette. I mostly like brunette and not short girl.

First I wanted to speak with her around 10 min. She told come to me. As I heard she has been to sharks and one more another place. She does not like sharks cause it gets so crowded she has to wait for free room than an expected time. Daily earning around 800 1000 EUR. She is very sharp standard is 50 EUR / 30 min, included owo 100 EUR / 30 min. Her body is good, fresh, clean, good to touch. The damage was 100 EUR; did it worth? I think yes. She did not hurry up, used the time in a good planning. Blowjob was good but sure I have better experiences. Changed 3 different position. And finished, she is good indeed.

For this Mainhattan I think the one of 5 to make room with.

I will not visit this place again, the foods are not good, the area is small, and the place that we put our clothes are tight. The one and only advantage close to city centre. Overall this; all is ordinary for me.

These Romanian girls pushing so much. All of them are friends to each other. And the interesting; for the price they all the same attitude. This is not the same in the palace, Sharks.

Just can be a place to see at least one time only.

[Kosher Kowboy]

Unfortunately, things have changed a little in recent times, I found everything a little worse, from the cleanliness to the quality of the food.

I told them that I don't care about the nationality, I only care about the beauty and the service, they replied me that they came in the room with me only because I told them that I'm Italian, they thought I was Albanian and they said that they don't go in the room with Albanians! They are racist!

.Welcome to the ISG ItaStallion, and thank you for your opinions and write up. I agree with you things have changed especially the food with exception of the BBQ. The cleanliness is impeccable as it always has been and the same cleaning lady has been there 7 years, the one you speak of. The other one less time. Both great ladies, very hard workers and well respected by the ladies.

I know the LU is not as strong given the time of year but after 4 years attending the club IMHO the girls here although they upsell are very nice girls, very pleasant and I have met many Albanians in the club. To each their own but I think it is not fair to paint good girls as racist if they decline a room, if one is clean, respectful and kind to the women they will return the favor happily no matter where you are from, religion etc.

Thanks again for the review, I agree with most except the cleanliness but respect others thoughts on their own experiences. Thanks again maybe next visit the LU will be better.

[XXL]

For sure, XXL made his first visit at Mainhattan.

Many first-timers at a club expect the same level of service as regular clients receive.

But they will not get that. Unless they have a prepared strategy.

First-timers make a lot of mistakes.Indeed my previous two or three Manhattan visits are too far back and too few and far between for any girl to remember me (or me them). On my latest visit some 18 months ago Manhattan raised an issue with my ebook (Amazon Kindle). It was a Sunday afternoon with only a handful of girls there so I needed to be able to read until the LU improved.

I only went to Manhattan this time instead of Palace because I was staying at a hotel near the Frankfurt Zoo, which is on the Manhattan side of town. Next time I need a city FKK in Frankfurt it will be Palace only. My latest Palace visit (first visit in one and a half year) was satisfactory. Besides, Palace has the same set up as Artemis and Sharks (large room with a big bar in the middle). This is the best set up as you can walk circles and observe girls from a distance from different angles. In Manhattan the only thing I could do was to "stumble" upon girls at close range. They would then latch on to me and would be difficult to shake off.

[Den Haag]

I have been this club just yesterday. It was around 15.30. Thank you for the report Onur Boss. We are all entitled to our opinion.

[ItaStallion]

Welcome to the ISG ItaStallionThank you for welcoming me.


I know the LU is not as strong given the time of year but after 4 years attending the club IMHO the girls here although they upsell are very nice girls, very pleasant and I have met many Albanians in the club. To each their own but I think it is not fair to paint good girls as racist if they decline a room, if one is clean, respectful and kind to the women they will return the favor happily no matter where you are from, religion etc.I only reported what happened, I didn't want to offend anyone.

I don't care about the nationality, I only care about the beauty and the service.

I didn't like the behavior of the girls.

[CaptDanRmstn]

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[Turgid]

Wow, I think we are witnessing the demise of an FKK. The writing is on the wall. I have never experienced the allure of this place and never had as good a time here as I've had in other clubs. Soon it will be no more, brought down by the girls who banded together to scam customers and a management that was never willing to do something about it.

[ExpatLover]

I have been this club just yesterday. It was around 15.30. I reached here via lime electricity bicycle.

And to reach there from hauptbanhof is easy can use the 11 numbered train. The place is small. To smoke in all place not allowed. Entry was 65 , the goods were bad. There were around 20 girls and 15 man.

The Lu did not match with my expectations. I have been to Artemis, sharks, the palace for this FKK land.

Mostly Romanian girl. They push you to get room. Mostly they do not speak price before going room. And the interesting fact is; they are all the same for additional service price. And I think a boring place. The bar service very bad. They even do not serve tea. I made two room. The first one was with a Romanian girl. She has tattoo at right arm and left arm as well. Short hair and look green eyes. She is very naughty. Always looking to speak someone. This was my mistake that she offered room and I accepted. Can't remember her name, height is 160/165 maks.

I told her I want normal and standard service. Blowjob with condom and several position. It was a hot place inside this is why I wanted handjob. But no; she is not a girl to get service. I have good and enough experiences in FKK lands and this was the worst for me. We finished but even handjob she is not good.

The second session was with gorgeous Roza, a girl from Hungary, brunette. I mostly like brunette and not short girl..I will not restart the discussion about the differences between the customers or Mister KK will again get high blood pressure, Manhattan is a club for fair visitors and after 11 PM for HA members and affiliates. The club is owned like world, Finca, Leipzig. By the HA. Very few senior German mongers are visiting this club, like Palace. Mostly veteran girls around controlling service level and prices. Difficult to get great experiences there, only mechanical sex and overpricing are available.

[ExpatLover]

Wow, I think we are witnessing the demise of an FKK. The writing is on the wall. I have never experienced the allure of this place and never had as good a time here as I've had in other clubs. Soon it will be no more, brought down by the girls who banded together to scam customers and a management that was never willing to do something about it.I am afraid than in most of the FKK the management have lost a big part of the control, just have a look at Oase, Shark, GT Vienna, Paradise, less girls globally since 2 or 3 years, more veteran girls around means they know the business so less flexible than new comers. But also on the monger side we have more diversity, less pro mongers around therefor easier for the girls to cheat them. Just have a look how the quality of the food or the sauna premises decreased in the recent years, the management don t put any effort on that front, they don t need business is still good enough.

[Pistons]

. Just have a look how the quality of the food or the sauna premises decreased in the recent years, the management don t put any effort on that front, they don t need business is still good enough.Really? Where has food quality decreased? To me it seems exactly the same as 7 years ago. Some tiny changes at some places. But just as much for the better instead of for the worse.

But if you visited YinYang in the past, but now switched over to Aca or Aca Gold due to the YY lockout, ofcourse one would get the impression food had deteriorated.

But start off at Artemis like I did, and end up at say Wellcum, and it feels like food went from 2 stars to 4 stars.

[ExpatLover]

Really? Where has food quality decreased? To me it seems exactly the same as 7 years ago. Some tiny changes at some places. But just as much for the better instead of for the worse.

But if you visited YinYang in the past, but now switched over to Aca or Aca Gold due to the YY lockout, ofcourse one would get the impression food had deteriorated.

But start off at Artemis like I did, and end up at say Wellcum, and it feels like food went from 2 stars to 4 stars.No I was more thinking about Oase, World, Shark, Paradise, GT Vienna, Sakura, visited Artemis in July was not impressed by the premises which need a strong redecoration and the food was low quality and also the restaurant place is not very friendly.

[Arnold15]

I am afraid than in most of the FKK the management have lost a big part of the control, just have a look at Oase, Shark, GT Vienna, Paradise, less girls globally since 2 or 3 years, more veteran girls around means they know the business so less flexible than new comers. But also on the monger side we have more diversity, less pro mongers around therefor easier for the girls to cheat them. Just have a look how the quality of the food or the sauna premises decreased in the recent years, the management don t put any effort on that front, they don t need business is still good enough.I do not understand.

Mainhattan has a very good relax area, located separate from the lounge.

3 saunas, a split new whirlpool (yes, I tested it last week) and an outdoor pool.

What many newbies here at ISG do not understand is that there is a "non-approach" rule in the relax area. If you do not want to be harrassed by girls, then sit in the relax area and not in the lounge.

With respect to food, breakfast (served 11-15) is still "best-in-test" among clubs. There is a small decrease in quality for lunch and dinner, but not comparable what happened with food quality at for example Living Room or Artemis.

[ExpatLover]

I do not understand.

Mainhattan has a very good relax area, located separate from the lounge.

3 saunas, a split new whirlpool (yes, I tested it last week) and an outdoor pool.

What many newbies here at ISG do not understand is that there is a "non-approach" rule in the relax area. If you do not want to be harrassed by girls, then sit in the relax area and not in the lounge.

With respect to food, breakfast (served 11-15) is still "best-in-test" among clubs. There is a small decrease in quality for lunch and dinner, but not comparable what happened with food quality at for example Living Room or Artemis.Manhattan is a small club for me, the relax area is sometimes more than full specially when the weather is bad, in the last 5 years I noticed a strong decrease in the food quality, but even stronger is the decrease from the LU.

[Rick Rock]

You can get them on ebay.com at more reasonable prices.Problem is, who knows if they are legit? Lots of scam sellers pushing Chinese knock offs on Ebay and Amazon. They have no scruples, and you have no way to know. Spend a few Euros more for the real thing from a trusted and regulated shop. It's worth it.

[McGrath]

So I have done it. I went to Mainhattan a Friday two weeks ago and it was a really terrible lineup. Came in at 16.00 and at 20.00 I decided to take a taxi to Palace. I like the setup of this club but it's all about the girls and they are not here. I will not be back.

[Aolini]

1st day went at Mainhattan. I was tired from the trip and could not bother tavelling to one of the bigger fkks outside ffm.

This was my first visit after a couple years, and things seem to have gone a bit downhill.

Entered around 6-7 pm on a Thursday. I was 1 of about 5 mongers in the club and there were about 20 girls. Most of them.

Smoking, or sitting at the sofas looking bored and disinterested. Approached by Rafaella. Romanian, 1. 65 black mid-length hair, a few tattoos, round ass but not perfect. She was friendly enough so I took the bait, although she was not the best looking girl in the house. Quick suck and fuck, nothing to remember. The only positive was that she was polite.

After a while tried to establish some eye contact with a young blonde slim Romanian but she seemed disinterested. So I took the second bait with a MILF sitting close to me. She wasn't pushy, and I thought since she is more mature maybe she would have something better to offer. Lorette, MILF, blonde midlength hair, glasses, Romanian, 1.70, silicone boobs. Session with Lorette was slightly better, I took the lead and she followed with some DT and then missionary. Again a fairly quick session but it was OK. BTW, I noticed some weird bumps around her anus.

Second day was Sharks which was definitely better. Will post later on that.

[ExpatLover]

1st day went at Mainhattan. I was tired from the trip and could not bother tavelling to one of the bigger fkks outside ffm.

This was my first visit after a couple years, and things seem to have gone a bit downhill.

Entered around 6-7 pm on a Thursday. I was 1 of about 5 mongers in the club and there were about 20 girls. Most of them.

Smoking, or sitting at the sofas looking bored and disinterested. Approached by Rafaella. Romanian, 1. 65 black mid-length hair, a few tattoos, round ass but not perfect. She was friendly enough so I took the bait, although she was not the best looking girl in the house. Quick suck and fuck, nothing to remember. The only positive was that she was polite.

After a while tried to establish some eye contact with a young blonde slim Romanian but she seemed disinterested. So I took the second bait with a MILF sitting close to me. She wasn't pushy, and I thought since she is more mature maybe she would have something better to offer. Lorette, MILF, blonde midlength hair, glasses, Romanian, 1.70, silicone boobs. Session with Lorette was slightly better, I took the lead and she followed with some DT and then missionary. Again a fairly quick session but it was OK. BTW, I noticed some weird bumps around her anus.

Second day was Sharks which was definitely better. Will post later on that.Thanks for the report, Manhattan, Finca, World, and FKK leipzig belongs to the same guys, motorcycle. Nevertheless despite a lot of efforts they struggle to come back what those clubs were in 2013, 14, 15, LU is the key for success.

[Sirioja]

Thanks for the report, Manhattan, Finca, World, and FKK leipzig belongs to the same guys, motorcycle. Nevertheless despite a lot of efforts they struggle to come back what those clubs were in 2013, 14, 15, LU is the key for success.Finca casting was interesting around Vatertag. Mainhattan may worth for IAA to come and I want to try the tree at World, before snow.

[GringoItaliano]

FKK Mainhattan was the fourth stop on my first Frankfurt-based FKK tour in August-September 2019; please see my previous post on the General Info thread for an overview of my tour. The two FKKs within the Frankfurt city limits, Palace and Mainhattan, were originally lower priorities on my list because of what I had read about them online. I sensed that Sharks and Oase were more popular and highly regarded despite – or perhaps because of – their more remote locations in the less accessible suburbs / exurbs around Frankurt. The prevailing view seemed to be that the greater accessibility of Palace and Mainhattan had unfavorable influences on the attitudes and behaviors of the girls by exposing them more to foreigners, many of whom may be less value-conscious or well-informed.

The above is probably true of Palace, but I did not find it to be true of Mainhattan, or at least not to any degree significant enough that it should influence one's decision whether or not to go there. There were a few aggressive girls, but I would say that most of the girls that approached me there were simply proactive, rather than aggressive. I did encounter a few attempts at upsell, including one in the room, but a simple "no" was enough to deflect them. One or two of the girls might have pushed for high prices, but a simple "that's too much" quickly brought them back into more reasonable price ranges.

Aside from the more convenient location, the key selling point of Mainhattan for me was the lineup. I would say that the lineup at Mainhattan was the best of all five German FKKs that I visited, and also either the closest or the second-closest fit for my personal tastes (I do try to make a distinction between the two and be objective when writing reports). Whoever controls the lineup at Mainhattan also seems to have a preference for model types. I would note that the girls at Mainhattan were on average noticeably taller than anywhere else, as if there were a height requirement to work there. If you are looking for petite spinners, you may want to look elsewhere. Another selling point pertains to the facility itself: it has a designated and conveniently located smoking section within the social area of the club, which was a welcome contrast to the pervasive cigarette smoke at most other FKKs.

My first visit to Mainhattan was the best night of the entire trip and one of the best nights of mongering in my entire experience thus far. It yielded three highlights: the best session of the trip, the hottest girl of the trip, and the largest number of sessions during any one FKK visit. I only did two sessions per night at other FKKs in order to conserve energy, semen, and funds (this FKK tour was the first leg of a longer European trip) and, in some cases, because it was hard to find enough girls that suited my preferences. I had no such problems finding suitable candidates at Mainhattan and did three sessions during both of my visits. Mainhattan was where I found the hottest girl that I saw anywhere in any of the FKKs and one of the hottest girls that I have ever fucked in my entire life. This Moldovan could have easily been a model or been on the cover of magazines. She was tall with dark, exotic features, large breasts, and wavy, ass-length black hair. The service was good, but the point with her was more about adding such a remarkable notch to my belt. The best service of the trip came later that night from a tall, blonde, blue-eyed, athletic, and busty Romanian MILF. She wears glasses around the club; ask her to take them off and you will see that she looks much better without them. She demonstrated that one can combine GFE and PSE, and she was equally good with her mouth and her pussy. That night also included a quality session with a tall and blonde Hungarian model type with strong oral skills.

Given the above results, I eagerly returned to Mainhattan on my last night in Frankfurt, which was a Friday night. The results were still satisfying, but not as much as on the first visit. As was the case with Palace, the girls were somewhat more aggressive on a busier night (but nowhere near as much), which seemed counter-intuitive to me. I nonetheless scored at least one more highlight and checked an item off my sexual bucket list: I fucked an Iranian girl. I understand that some of the FKK girls concoct exotic origins for themselves as a sales technique, but I could confirm that she was Iranian. She had huge natural tits too. I also did a session with a tall and busty Romanian with curly blonde hair – imagine "Stifler's mom," but younger. I fucked her mouth and her big tits. Unfortunately, this second visit also yielded the only dud of my trip: a petite redheaded Ukrainian spinner bearing a slight facial resemblance to Sansa Stark. This dud may have been my fault, as I became complacent with my successes and did not screen her as thoroughly as usual. It was late on a Friday night, when it became so busy that the only room available had a broken air conditioner, which exacerbated the situation.

I will make Mainhattan a priority during future FKK trips to Frankfurt, as I found it to be the best overall and the closest fit for my preferences. The convenient location and the smoke-free social area make it easier to appreciate what I found to be the most appealing lineup, with some model-quality talent and generally good service. The one exception to this otherwise positive experience nonetheless serves as a reminder to never lower one's guard or become too comfortable, even in the best places.

[TellYouNot]

Thanks GringoItaliano for the awesome report. Could you please share your screening process and tips for folks who are new to this?

[GringoItaliano]

Thanks GringoItaliano for the awesome report. Could you please share your screening process and tips for folks who are new to this?Before I describe my general screening process that I use in any venue where you can "meet & greet" the girls before deciding on a session, I should note two techniques specific to FKKs that I developed during this trip.

1) It is easy to spot "Asian hunters," as members of this board call them. These are the girls that actively target Asian customers in FKKs due to the perception that they are lucrative, low-maintenance, and less likely to push back against upsells or scams. I made a point of avoiding Asian hunters because I believed that such girls would be poor performers or cause other problems, if that is what they want in a client.

2) One can often position oneself in the social areas of the club to see girls coming out of the session rooms with their clients. I made a point of observing: a) the length of time that they had spent in the room together; and b) the facial expressions and body language of both parties.

For example, the following scenario would be a huge red flag. A pair of girls approaches an Asian customer that had just recently entered the social area of the club. They immediately go to the session room. They come out 10 minutes later. The girls are walking quickly ahead of the Asian customer, who has a dissatisfied expression on his face, and paying no attention to him as they walk toward the phone & wallet lockers for him to pay them. I would immediately scratch both of those girls off of my list, regardless of however physically appealing I found them.

A more favorable scenario would be this: A German-speaking customer who seems to know the club well approaches a girl, and they agree to go the room after a conversation of a reasonable length. They come out 1 hour later. They are smiling, laughing, and holding hands and they walk together toward the phone & wallet lockers for him to pay her.

Aside from these FKK-specific techniques, I do also have a few "rules of thumb" that I follow.

1) Never session with girls that approach you immediately upon your entry into the venue, especially if you are new to that venue. The challenge in applying this rule to the FKKs. Particularly Palace. Is that a significant percentage of the girls will approach you shortly after you enter the club, disqualifying them.

2) Never session with girls that approach you in pairs to propose unsolicited threesomes. That exclusion also applies to each girl individually.

3) Be wary of girls that approach you with no invitation or other prior indication of interest. The problem with applying this rule to FKKs is that it may often lead you to exclude a high proportion of the girls, as so many of them will make uninvited approaches.

As you can see, my guiding principle is that I should choose the girls, and the girls should not choose me. The way I see it, if the girl takes charge of the situation to her advantage by obtaining my business, then she might also take charge of the situation in other ways that are detrimental to my interests. All but one of the girls that I did on this tour were girls that I chose: only one of them chose me, and I made an exception for her because she did in it in an unusually subtle way that planted the seeds of my interest and led me to engage her on a subsequent visit (see my report on the Palace thread).

Beyond that, my screening and interview process is more of an art than a science and relies more on gut feelings. Indeed, the most important metric is what I call "the boner test. " When I am talking to a candidate and she is delivering her sales pitch, do I get a boner? If yes, then she has a chance. If I do not get a boner, then I move on to other candidates.

I generally like to observe a girl's behavior and demeanor for a good length of time before deciding whether or not to engage her, so that I can see what she is like and how she treats people when she is not trying to get my money. This point helps me exclude many of the good actors that seem nice when they deliver their sales pitch to me but actually have toxic personalities that reveal themselves during the session. Once I do start talking to her, I try to gauge her body language and other non-verbal communication, such as her receptiveness to my touch (I generally cop a feel or two in order to inspect the merchandise); if I sense any hesitation or distance, I abort and move on to another girl. I am generally suspicious of any girl that cuts to the chase and delivers her sales pitch too abruptly and seems too eager to get down to business, but I had to adjust my expectations in the FKKs, where abruptness seems to be the norm. When we get down to negotiation, if I sense any hesitation, ambiguity, or deception in her answers to what I want, I abort and move on to another candidate. If a girl passes all these tests, I will go with her.

[ThePenetrator]

Before I describe my general screening process that I use in any venue where you can "meet & greet" the girls before deciding on a session, I should note two techniques specific to FKKs that I developed during this trip.

1) It is easy to spot "Asian hunters," as members of this board call them. These are the girls that actively target Asian customers in FKKs due to the perception that they are lucrative, low-maintenance, and less likely to push back against upsells or scams. I made a point of avoiding Asian hunters because I believed that such girls would be poor performers or cause other problems, if that is what they want in a client.

2) One can often position oneself in the social areas of the club to see girls coming out of the session rooms with their clients. I made a point of observing: a) the length of time that they had spent in the room together; and b) the facial expressions and body language of both parties..Fantastic! I will save the link for this, and have it with me for my next venture into the world of FKKs.

[LaBambaBoy]

Before I describe my general screening process that I use in any venue where you can "meet & greet" the girls before deciding on a session, I should note two techniques specific to FKKs that I developed during this trip..That's a very sensible set of recommendations. Thank you, sir!

[TellYouNot]

Before I describe my general screening process that I use in any venue where you can "meet & greet" the girls before deciding on a session, I should note two techniques specific to FKKs that I developed during this trip.Thank you for the very generous answer. Makes a ton of sense! Definitely seems like a situation where you get what you put in, and in order to have a good time you have to do your due diligence.

[Lucky Nuts]

I visited Mainhatten on Thursday and can honestly say I like nothing about this club. I arrived at 1:15 PM and was told breakfast was still being served and when finished it would change over to lunch foods. I went to the "Bistro" to find all the breakfast foods gone except for some boiled eggs, chicken legs, and 3 slices of bread. I sat waiting either for the buffet refill or changeover to lunch until I was told the room was closing for cleanup and lunch would be served 30 to 60 minutes later. So I went and sat in the sauna for 45 minutes and then went back to eat lunch. It wasn't worth the wait. A bunch of tasteless foods. What a waste of time.

Oh and the line up was terrible. Today was a national holiday in Germany so maybe that was the reason. I'd say all the girls were 5's and 6's except one I'd rate a 7. So I went back to my hotel and got a couple hours sleep. Returned to the club about 9 PM and saw a new crew of girls had arrived but still nothing to get me excited. Ate dinner which again was pretty tasteless. This place needs a new kitchen manager imo.

Back at the bar I made offers to two girls but neither was interested. I offered 50 for thirty minutes and if I enjoy it I'll stay 60 minutes for 100 euros. The club wasn't busy and still the two girls were not interested. Neither girl ever made a counteroffer! Not sure what they are expecting but why would anyone pay more than that rather than jump on a train to Darmstadt?

I paid 45 to enter plus 5 for a robe in the afternoon and another 5 robe at night. Total cost of 55 euros for a bunch of crappy food. In summary the facility is dated, the food is lousy, and the girls are out of touch with reality. Why does anyone go here? The recent positive review was from a guy who likes thicker chicas. So if that's what you like maybe there is a reason to go. I only talked to the thinnest girls I could find. And I will never return.

[Turgid]

.............Back at the bar I made offers to two girls but neither was interested. I offered 50 for thirty minutes and if I enjoy it I'll stay 60 minutes for 100 euros. The club wasn't busy and still the two girls were not interested. Neither girl ever made a counteroffer! ...........When upselling became popular at FKKs some years ago I thought of that same proposal but decided against it. Girls who would take you up on that offer would give you a good 50/30 session anyway. Girls who refuse know why they refuse.

[ExpatLover]

I visited Mainhatten on Thursday and can honestly say I like nothing about this club. I arrived at 1:15 PM and was told breakfast was still being served and when finished it would change over to lunch foods. I went to the "Bistro" to find all the breakfast foods gone except for some boiled eggs, chicken legs, and 3 slices of bread. I sat waiting either for the buffet refill or changeover to lunch until I was told the room was closing for cleanup and lunch would be served 30 to 60 minutes later. So I went and sat in the sauna for 45 minutes and then went back to eat lunch. It wasn't worth the wait. A bunch of tasteless foods. What a waste of time.

Oh and the line up was terrible. Today was a national holiday in Germany so maybe that was the reason. I'd say all the girls were 5's and 6's except one I'd rate a 7. So I went back to my hotel and got a couple hours sleep. Returned to the club about 9 PM and saw a new crew of girls had arrived but still nothing to get me excited. Ate dinner which again was pretty tasteless. This place needs a new kitchen manager imo.

Back at the bar I made offers to two girls but neither was interested. I offered 50 for thirty minutes and if I enjoy it I'll stay 60 minutes for 100 euros. The club wasn't busy and still the two girls were not interested. Neither girl ever made a counteroffer! Not sure what they are expecting but why would anyone pay more than that rather than jump on a train to Darmstadt?.Thanks for your report, it is exactly what I am facing in the last years, Mahattan, like Finca, World have the same owners. The same quality of food and LU. No worth for me to spend my money and time in those clubs, but this is also true for many other places, I am only looking for fresh and young girls without sii, no smoking, beautiful skin, no Botox, no tattoo. Very difficult to find if not impossible, the LU changed but also the clients.

[ItaStallion]

At GringoItaliano, the past August, when I have been there, there were not the girls that you mentioned. No Moldovan girl, no MILF with eyeglasses, no blonde Hungarian tall girl.

However, more or less I use your same strategy more strategy but it was impossibile to not get duds.

Anyway, how much you paid and how long you staid with the girls?

I paid 100 euros per 30 minutes to each girl and the service was terrible.

After, that visit I never been to another sauna club and I have no more the willing to go to a club.

I go to a club to relax and stay well with girls but if the girls more bitchy than free girls, I prefer to get hurted with free girls.

[Vienna2017]

Wow, I think we are witnessing the demise of an FKK. The writing is on the wall. I have never experienced the allure of this place and never had as good a time here as I've had in other clubs. Soon it will be no more, brought down by the girls who banded together to scam customers and a management that was never willing to do something about it.I have, also, noticed the downfall of FKKs. High entry fees, scams by girls, and management that does nothing about customer service.

[Sirioja]

Around Frankfurt or Koln, you can visit clubs for about 50 €, with free foods and soft drinks, you can eat breakfast, lunch, tea time, diner, until 2/3 am at Sharks, Oase, World, Samya. Finca is 35, Samya is 40 , Vanilla is 35. I don t find so expensive for these clubs services. Yes 60 is now expensive for LR level of services = average level of foods, Bundesliga 2 , small boring club if You don t have a rare beauty there you will take 3 times in the day. Gold is only for 25 and have a really enjoyable in bed girl there. Mainhattan used to be a good club with entry 45, I had good girls there and discovered wow look jolie Sara who is now successful and one of the prettiest at Globe. Even I may be the most picky and demanding about behavior and manners, even they are very rare, even have to work hard every week end to find, sometimes I m really exhausted to turn around for 15 hours at Sharks, not finding any desirable girl for me among 100 , at least I train for sport, I may try for marathon record under 2 hours, but at the moment 5 desirable girls for me in Germany when I couldn't find at Globe or Aphrodisia, so good time for me, even I don't have enough time because still Col Agnel, Alpe Huez, 2 sides of Mont Ventoux and finals in Zoncolan and Mortirolo, to enjoy for records, and preparing, improving new girlfriend for over 250, but I m not in hurry, because I m so sad to let my beloved, I slept so often with her, and improved her so much. I m sad she seems a bit tired of me, of our trips through mountains, nearly 450 000 kms together, so often full speed, DRS in the back of the car just in front, to be faster.

[Voyajer1]

Beers used to be included with paid entry. Not anymore. Beers at Mainhattan are now 4 Euros for the beers that used to be free.


I have, also, noticed the downfall of FKKs. High entry fees, scams by girls, and management that does nothing about customer service.

[Blacktar1]

I have, also, noticed the downfall of FKKs. High entry fees, scams by girls, and management that does nothing about customer service.I am new to this forum but visit FKKs often, and I find that Mainhatten works fine for me. I just need to rely on local men I meet, my instinct, and can find excellent sessions for a 100 euros for an hour, and 50 for half hour. So, don't be a pessimist and write off FKKs and keep trying. Good luck.

[PayForIt]

So left Palace on Saturday night after only a couple of hours to check out Mainhattan as the LU at Palace was not good.

Well I should have stayed. It was better than Mainhattan.

This is the new Artemis of Hessen. So many older girls with a lot of tattoos.

Having paid entry now into two FKKs and the taxi between them I really wanted a session or two and genuinely there was not a single girl in the club I wanted to room with. Had some food. Decent - better than normal. And left very disappointed.

Not sure I'll return to Mainhattan for some time. Had 3 great rooms here in 2018 but for me the LU has seriously deteriorated and unlike in Palace / Oase and even Sharks. There is nowhere to escape to if you stay indoors. The beautiful Jasmine on reception asks me why on two visits I have not been with a girl. I tell her I'm still hoping she will agree to go to the room! Beautiful smile but rejection!

And finally. The new policy of charging for beers is also terrible. And the beer is really quite unpleasant.

All in all a very disappointing night (no session at Palace and none here). I just cannot summon up the desire to go with girls if they are not particularly pretty. I suppose they would not think I'm pretty but then one of us is paying and the other not!

Mainhattan needs some new young / slim ladies or I think it will struggle. That said there were a lot of guys here.

[Member #4636]

So left Palace on Saturday night after only a couple of hours to check out Mainhattan as the LU at Palace was not good.

Well I should have stayed. It was better than Mainhattan.

This is the new Artemis of Hessen. So many older girls with a lot of tattoos.

Having paid entry now into two FKKs and the taxi between them I really wanted a session or two and genuinely there was not a single girl in the club I wanted to room with. Had some food. Decent - better than normal. And left very disappointed.

Not sure I'll return to Mainhattan for some time. Had 3 great rooms here in 2018 but for me the LU has seriously deteriorated and unlike in Palace / Oase and even Sharks. There is nowhere to escape to if you stay indoors. The beautiful Jasmine on reception asks me why on two visits I have not been with a girl. I tell her I'm still hoping she will agree to go to the room! Beautiful smile but rejection!

And finally. The new policy of charging for beers is also terrible. And the beer is really quite unpleasant..I think you must be the first one who went to 2 clubs in a row without a room! But I get you, if not worth it why necessary pay?

[Sirioja]

I think you must be the first one who went to 2 clubs in a row without a room! But I get you, if not worth it why necessary pay?On a Saturday on 26 July 2014, World, then Oase, then Sharks and no room. I arrived too late at Sharks, had great time with Ingrid on Sunday.

[FunMan13]

With the Covid-19 stay-home law, I am having a lot of free time. So I am catching up reading the various ISG threads. Can you believe than I read 35 pages of the Warsaw thread only to be told to go to Germany for their best women? The same with Hungary and Romania.

The last time I mongered in Frankfurt FKKs was in Sept 2016. My, how time flies. Since then, I have been mongering in Spain, mostly in Barcelona. Why? Because airfares on United Airlines were cheaper to Spain from Houston where I live, plus I also enjoyed the Spanish foods and tourist sites, and it's cheaper in Spain. I mostly mongered in Asia, made at least 4-5 trips every year to China, Hong Kong, Indonesia, Malaysia, Macau, the Philippines, Singapore, Thailand and Vietnam.

I read this thread from mid 2018 to the present. It seems like a pattern of decline for Mainhattan. I hope things will improve after the Pandemic. I think the Pandemic is starving the clubs and the girls. So when they return, they will be desperate to make money and may be more accomodating. I communicate with some of my favorite girls in Asia. Almost all of them have no savings and are borrowing money to pay for food and housing. On the other hand, we mongers are forced to stay home, play with ourselves, and save money for our coming trips!

Funman13.

[Sirioja]

With the Covid-19 stay-home law, I am having a lot of free time. So I am catching up reading the various ISG threads. Can you believe than I read 35 pages of the Warsaw thread only to be told to go to Germany for their best women? The same with Hungary and Romania.

The last time I mongered in Frankfurt FKKs was in Sept 2016. My, how time flies. Since then, I have been mongering in Spain, mostly in Barcelona. Why? Because airfares on United Airlines were cheaper to Spain from Houston where I live, plus I also enjoyed the Spanish foods and tourist sites, and it's cheaper in Spain. I mostly mongered in Asia, made at least 4-5 trips every year to China, Hong Kong, Indonesia, Malaysia, Macau, the Philippines, Singapore, Thailand and Vietnam.

I read this thread from mid 2018 to the present. It seems like a pattern of decline for Mainhattan. I hope things will improve after the Pandemic. I think the Pandemic is starving the clubs and the girls. So when they return, they will be desperate to make money and may be more accomodating. I communicate with some of my favorite girls in Asia. Almost all of them have no savings and are borrowing money to pay for food and housing. On the other hand, we mongers are forced to stay home, play with ourselves, and save money for our coming trips!

Funman13.For sure, wonderful Gaudi Barcelona is much more attractive than Germany. Usually so many Germans spend holidays taking sun in Spain. Costa Brava is nearly more German than Spanish. And of course, much better foods. But on average, Germany is higher level for paid sex, even found fire in bed, real Slavians on North Barcelona. Enjoyable speaking Russian with them, when claimed Russian in Germany are not able to speak Russian, and if they had only Russian ID, they could not work from registration.

I don t worry at all for clubs owners, I m sure they have more money than me, I also don t worry for WGs but for sure they will run back for fast money. Among clubs, I m pretty sure World should not close and even with new club around, quite same for brother Mainhattan.

[FunMan13]

Thanks Sirioja. You helped me in 2016 when I was researching Frankfurt FKKs. You were on the ball then. I am sure you still are. It is definitely easier and cheaper to monger in German FKKs, plus you can see what you get. The girls in Spain work out of apartments and you really don't see their faces until you arrive. However, their services were pretty good and consistent. I went there in the last several years only because roundtrip airfares are around $600-$800 whereas Frankfurt was around $1,200. Berlin, Cologne and Munich were much higher.

Funman13.

[Sirioja]

Thanks Sirioja. You helped me in 2016 when I was researching Frankfurt FKKs. You were on the ball then. I am sure you still are. It is definitely easier and cheaper to monger in German FKKs, plus you can see what you get. The girls in Spain work out of apartments and you really don't see their faces until you arrive. However, their services were pretty good and consistent. I went there in the last several years only because roundtrip airfares are around $600-$800 whereas Frankfurt was around $1,200. Berlin, Cologne and Munich were much higher.

Funman13.Also clubs in Catalunya, even no foods like in Germany, but cheap entry for 10/15 with one soft drink and can see girls to choose. Can find some real and fresh Slavians just fallen from Antonov in Spain, really interesting, when they couldn't work in Germany because of registration. They could work less than 90 days in Switzerland but all is complicated in Switzerland and Spain is much more sexy than Germany or Switzerland. In Spain, you feel on holidays everyday when you are close to the sea and you enjoy foods, even Switzerland have much better foods than Germany.

[Tedesco]

... I read 35 pages of the Warsaw thread ... to go to Germany for their best women? Did you read my reports on Warsaw over the last years? The simple conclusion made already more than ten years ago to go to the world's biggest brothel called Germany as most of the women were working there isn't anymore valid for Polish women since more than five years.

[FunMan13]

Did you read my reports on Warsaw over the last years? The simple conclusion made already more than ten years ago to go to the world's biggest brothel called Germany as most of the women were working there isn't anymore valid for Polish women since more than five years.Yes Tedesco, after reading 31 pages of the Warsaw Thread, I gather as much. I researched Warsaw because I have an urge to visit Poland for its historical and tourist attractions. That's what I do when I travel. It's not strictly for one need.

[FunMan13]

Also clubs in Catalunya, even no foods like in Germany, but cheap entry for 10/15 with one soft drink and can see girls to choose. Can find some real and fresh Slavians just fallen from Antonov in Spain, really interesting, when they couldn't work in Germany because of registration. They could work less than 90 days in Switzerland but all is complicated in Switzerland and Spain is much more sexy than Germany or Switzerland. In Spain, you feel on holidays everyday when you are close to the sea and you enjoy foods, even Switzerland have much better foods than Germany.Siri, when you mention clubs in Catalunya, do you mean Felina, Top Damas, etc. Or something else? Everything in Switzerland is just too expensive for me. I once paid €20 for a bowl of Vietnamese pho noodle soup which I can get in the USA For $8 and the portion here is at least 50% more.

[Sirioja]

Siri, when you mention clubs in Catalunya, do you mean Felina, Top Damas, etc. Or something else? Everything in Switzerland is just too expensive for me. I once paid 20 for a bowl of Vietnamese pho noodle soup which I can get in the USA For $8 and the portion here is at least 50% more.Yes Switzerland is very expensive. When I was controlled on Rheinfelden border on mid January 2019, just control passing border, they told me I had to pay nearly 1200 CHF which was less than 300 for penalties for 4 or 5 very small overspeed, all less than 20 km / h overspeed, when sometimes at night I'm more than 50 km / h over, but nearly 1000 for administration charge, so, even written in German I don't understand, but I understood figures and I refused to pay, so they treated me like a criminal, taking photos, fingers print, full naked like when I take shower in brothels when some take keeping pantie on, they wanted to see my asshole, I refused, they put me in jail with Albanian drug dealers who were amazed to see me insulting kantonal polizei, I refused to eat and to go for walk for 1 hour, so they were happy to have my foods. I insulted them so much, they put me in room with no window, no TV of course, only a small light, 2 meters per 2 meters, for 2 days and 1 night, I played football making a bowl with a sheet of paper and kicking in the door. While control when they couldn't get my money, even they could contemplate my 2 gold cards and my €, but I told them I would put complaint if they robbed my money, but they made messe in my car and robbed my coyote and another equipment. Now they are asking me 2000 CHF after robbering me these allowed equipment in my country where I bought my car. I was never arrested for overspeed, so they have no proof I was the driver, these are human rights in Switzerland, and for next control, I should be offered around 15 days in Swiss hotel jail for what they robbed me. This is the other side of Switzerland, with also cocaine market in Zurich and many other places. When I loved so much to go when I was a child, and I thank Wallis to have made me improve for ski, but now, when Globe is not anymore higher level than in Germany, but Amesia and Freubad can be interesting, mostly worth for Verbier, for extreme free ride, for my tour final, but 2020 is dark year for this.

About Catalunya, not only wonderful Barcelona I loved to visit when I can. I think as soon Spain open border, I make a 1100 kms run to enjoy this magic Gaudi city, to eat ham with tomatoes on bread, much more tasty than ketchup, to eat 400 grammes of tasty meat full red with blood, like for lions. But for Russians, Ukrainians, Belarus and Latvians, around Gerona worth when just fallen from Antonov now used to deliver masks. For sex for 70/30, sea and sun.

[Turgid]

Yes Switzerland is very expensive. When I was controlled on Rheinfelden border on mid January 2019, just control passing border, they told me I had to pay nearly 1200 CHF which was less than 300 for penalties for 4 or 5 very small overspeed, all less than 20 km / h overspeed, when sometimes at night I'm more than 50 km / h over, but nearly 1000 for administration charge, so, even written in German I don't understand, but I understood figures and I refused to pay, so they treated me like a criminal, taking photos, fingers print, full naked like when I take shower in brothels when some take keeping pantie on, they wanted to see my asshole, I refused, they put me in jail with Albanian drug dealers who were amazed to see me insulting kantonal polizei, I refused to eat and to go for walk for 1 hour, so they were happy to have my foods. I insulted them so much, they put me in room with no window, no TV of course, only a small light, 2 meters per 2 meters, for 2 days and 1 night, I played football making a bowl with a sheet of paper and kicking in the door. While control when they couldn't get my money, even they could contemplate my 2 gold cards and my , but I told them I would put complaint if they robbed my money, but they made messe in my car and robbed my coyote and another equipment. Now they are asking me 2000 CHF after robbering me these allowed equipment in my country where I bought my car. I was never arrested for overspeed, so they have no proof I was the driver, these are human rights in Switzerland, and for next control, I should be offered around 15 days in Swiss hotel jail for what they robbed me. This is the other side of Switzerland, with also cocaine market in Zurich and many other places. When I loved so much to go when I was a child, and I thank Wallis to have made me improve for ski, but now, when Globe is not anymore higher level than in Germany, but Amesia and Freubad can be interesting, mostly worth for Verbier, for extreme free ride, for my tour final, but 2020 is dark year for this.

About Catalunya, not only wonderful Barcelona I loved to visit when I can. I think as soon Spain open border, I make a 1100 kms run to enjoy this magic Gaudi city, to eat ham with tomatoes on bread, much more tasty than ketchup, to eat 400 grammes of tasty meat full red with blood, like for lions. But for Russians, Ukrainians, Belarus and Latvians, around Gerona worth when just fallen from Antonov now used to deliver masks. For sex for 70/30, sea and sun.That was very brave of you Sirioja, I do believe a person should stand up for his rights. However, I would not have done that, we are obviously different; there's a time and place for everything. My thinking is that I would not do in one country what I would not in another; in Switzerland I would be punished like you were but in Egypt, Saudi Arabia or similar Middle Eastern country I probably would not leave there alive.

[ExpatLover]

Yes Switzerland is very expensive. When I was controlled on Rheinfelden border on mid January 2019, just control passing border, they told me I had to pay nearly 1200 CHF which was less than 300 for penalties for 4 or 5 very small overspeed, all less than 20 km / h overspeed, when sometimes at night I'm more than 50 km / h over, but nearly 1000 for administration charge, so, even written in German I don't understand, but I understood figures and I refused to pay, so they treated me like a criminal, taking photos, fingers print, full naked like when I take shower in brothels when some take keeping pantie on, they wanted to see my asshole, I refused, they put me in jail with Albanian drug dealers who were amazed to see me insulting kantonal polizei, I refused to eat and to go for walk for 1 hour, so they were happy to have my foods. I insulted them so much, they put me in room with no window, no TV of course, only a small light, 2 meters per 2 meters, for 2 days and 1 night, I played football making a bowl with a sheet of paper and kicking in the door. While control when they couldn't get my money, even they could contemplate my 2 gold cards and my, but I told them I would put complaint if they robbed my money, but they made messe in my car and robbed my coyote and another equipment. Now they are asking me 2000 CHF after robbering me these allowed equipment in my country where I bought my car. I was never arrested for overspeed, so they have no proof I was the driver, these are human rights in Switzerland, and for next control, I should be offered around 15 days in Swiss hotel jail for what they robbed me. This is the other side of Switzerland, with also cocaine market in Zurich and many other places. When I loved so much to go when I was a child, and I thank Wallis to have made me improve for ski, but now, when Globe is not anymore higher level than in Germany, but Amesia and Freubad can be interesting, mostly worth for Verbier, for extreme free ride, for my tour final, but 2020 is dark year for this.

About Catalunya, not only wonderful Barcelona I loved to visit when I can. I think as soon Spain open border, I make a 1100 kms run to enjoy this magic Gaudi city, to eat ham with tomatoes on bread, much more tasty than ketchup, to eat 400 grammes of tasty meat full red with blood, like for lions. But for Russians, Ukrainians, Belarus and Latvians, around Gerona worth when just fallen from Antonov now used to deliver masks. For sex for 70/30, sea and sun.

Reply: I am born 150 kilo meters from Switzerland, this country is just a nightmare but also the people I worked there 5 years. Every thing is terrible except the beautiful Alpes. I skiped this country for more than 15 years and hope never going back.

[Sirioja]

That was very brave of you Sirioja, I do believe a person should stand up for his rights. However, I would not have done that, we are obviously different; there's a time and place for everything. My thinking is that I would not do in one country what I would not in another; in Switzerland I would be punished like you were but in Egypt, Saudi Arabia or similar Middle Eastern country I probably would not leave there alive.I loved so much Switzerland for skiing, I even had a Swiss real girlfriend for nearly 1 year when I was 20, really delightful, from Neuchatel, and I know french and Italian Swiss are quite different from German Swiss who don't respect European rights, putting you in jail when they have no proof you are guilty, so I didn't respect them, insulting them I didn't need to stay in their small country when they sent me immigration polizei, when I told them I only thought to leave Zurich, but I refused to pay so expensive administration charge, so I met Albanians dealing drugs in Zurich Thanks Switzerland.

[Nick3345]

Was someone here with a Girl named LEA? Sits supposedly offsite somewhere most of the Time or near the Bar. Dark Hair, sweet Face, a bit tanned and a sexy Body.

[Alessandro527]

Was someone here with a Girl named LEA? Sits supposedly offsite somewhere most of the Time or near the Bar. Dark Hair, sweet Face, a bit tanned and a sexy Body.I know a Leah, she used to work in Palace as well. Sexy body indeed and sweet face but not dark hair, she was blonde when I met her, maybe painted?

[Nick3345]

I know a Leah, she used to work in Palace as well. Sexy body indeed and sweet face but not dark hair, she was blonde when I met her, maybe painted?Could be painted, yes. How old was she, did she had Tattoos? I heard she works also private in her Home Town Cologne if that's the one that I know.

[Alessandro527]

Could be painted, yes. How old was she, did she had Tattoos? I heard she works also private in her Home Town Cologne if that's the one that I know.I can't remember if she had tattoo but probably not because I don't like them. She was around 25 like most girls, sweet face, funny girl, been with her 2-3 times in Manhattan and palace.

Have no idea about Cologne but you can check on escort sites like KM.

[Nick3345]

I think it could be "Vanessa_klasse_Fotos" but I am not quite sure.

[Nick3345]

http://www.club-swiss.ch/de/girls-detail.php?id=104

That was the Lea that worked in Globe. Is she the same one which works in FKK Palace and Mainhattan?

[Alessandro527]

http://www.club-swiss.ch/de/girls-detail.php?id=104

That was the Lea that worked in Globe. Is she the same one which works in FKK Palace and Mainhattan?No I don;'t think so she is the one I was visiting in Mainhattan.

[ExpatLover]

Reply from EL: welcome to photoshop pro, girls like this are not easy to find since a long time in any FKK.

[Nick3345]

I think I found her but I am nut sure-.

http://www.massageerotik.info/lea

Could this be the one who works in FKK-Mainhattan and Palace, maybe with fake blonde Hair? Maybe she had some Surgerys on her Tits over the last 2 Years. The Lea that I am looking for has no Tattoos, but a Piercing maybe on her Belly, that's all.

The Rumour was that she had to take Steroids when she worked in Switzerland.

[Nick3345]

Is Prostitution in Serbia (Belgrade) legal? Did they open up with corona?

[Alessandro527]

I think I found her but I am nut sure-.

http://www.massageerotik.info/lea

Could this be the one who works in FKK-Mainhattan and Palace, maybe with fake blonde Hair? Maybe she had some Surgerys on her Tits over the last 2 Years. The Lea that I am looking for has no Tattoos, but a Piercing maybe on her Belly, that's all.

The Rumour was that she had to take Steroids when she worked in Switzerland.No I think we are talking about different girls. Rumours about prostitutes? I didn't;t know they can become so famous! Haha.

[Nick3345]

Can you describe her more maybe?

[Alessandro527]

Can you describe her more maybe?I saw her 1-2 times in palace and after she moved to Manhattan. Not very tall but sweet and beautiful blonde, not very long hair. At Manhattan she was sitting near the bar. What I remembered was how pleasant and funny she was, in room also very good, she is in my top 5 girls I have seen in FKK.

I think her name is pronounced Leah. She told me nothing about Switzerland ever.

[Nick3345]

I saw her 1-2 times in palace and after she moved to Manhattan. Not very tall but sweet and beautiful blonde, not very long hair. At Manhattan she was sitting near the bar. What I remembered was how pleasant and funny she was, in room also very good, she is in my top 5 girls I have seen in FKK.

I think her name is pronounced Leah. She told me nothing about Switzerland ever.Thanks anyway, but I think it's a different Girl.

[Rovereto]

Hi,

Is anybody aware of news about Donna, old times queen of the club, that retired about 2 years ago? I hope she is good and still far fromP6, but you never know.

I would be very grateful if you can report news about her.

Thanks.

[ExpatLover]

Reply from EL: sorry in the P6 scene there is no nostalgia, do you believe she is remembering you? 5 to 10 guys every day, you were one of them, nothing more nothing less.

[Alessandro527]

Reply from EL: sorry in the P6 scene there is no nostalgia, do you believe she is remembering you? 5 to 10 guys every day, you were one of them, nothing more nothing less.This is true but probably some guys see it from a different point of view. This is why we remember their names and they remember nothing about us.

When guys have unforgettable sex they remember every details, for the girls it is just another client.

Some guys even fall in love and this can be a disaster!

[FunMan13]

Are the FKKs in Frankfurt still closed? What about other parts of Germany? Thanks.

Funman13.

[Sirioja]

Are the FKKs in Frankfurt still closed? What about other parts of Germany? Thanks.

Funman13.All closed in whole Germany until nobody know, even Artemis claim to open on 1 September. Let's see. But 6 ens NL, Switzerland and Austria are open. FKK land is not only Germany, even big brothel of Europe.

[RabbitFarm]

Hey everyone,

Does anyone know whether Julie is available for escort services these days?