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Kaira can't accept that her glory days are firmly in the rear view mirror. She has aged pretty quickly, thanks to the coke and nicotine diet, but she still hasn't grown up.Prostituting is definitely a business where a girl needs to have an exit strategy. You only have so much time you can do it before your looks and sex appeal begin to wane against competition from younger girls. And your lifestyle (drinking, smoking, drug abuse and so on) can only hasten your downfall if you're doing the wrong things. The smartest and most successful girls have a plan, they stick to it, they offer good service, they know how to manage money, and they take care of themselves. In my view, a 10 year stretch is about as long as a girl can go as a successful tute before her value in the business gets too low. And that's only if she's been consistently doing all of the right things, which most of the girls can't sustain. Which in turn means that for most of them their careers are going to be much, much shorter than 10 years. Like maybe only a couple if they (and we LOL) are lucky.
The girl I am referring to is not the German Maria, but a relatively new Romanian Maira, spelt differently and pronounced Mayeerah.Kind of snow white, despite tattoo, speaking Russian which is so erotic while sex, Maria he told about is Ukrainian and made erotic massage in her country before war. Lovely, fire in bed, even too much for me when lack of sensuality and not the prettiest, even pretty face but a bit average body. For my standard, she worth 100 for 30/40 mn, but not 200/60 , not wow look enough, same like Sofi. De even she is more sensual for sex, but I m not a rabbit, when I enjoy, 60 or 90 mn are far higher quality for me than too fast 30 mn. Both are on highest level at Sharks, far higher level than ranked here as topgirls, but I have higher level elsewhere in Germany for 130/150 for 1 hour or 200/90 , so why to pay more expensive for lower quality, same than for Globe which fell for quality. Most enjoyable game for me is when girls lower their rate after our discovery and to get their best for lowest rate and no extra asked, when nobody would drive like me to return weekly. When I don t go, busy superstar but asking why I didn t come? If I went to other girls? Enjoyable game when touching emotionnal among busy business.
Hmm, then maybe it is worth it to go. The only reason I am considering going all the way to Sharks is because I like the young slim type.
The day before I'll be in dusseldorf free until around 4 pm but the threads for the FKKs there are not very active and the reviews are not very good.
I'm in frankfurt Monday and free until around 3 pm. I fly home the next day.
I suppose the question is what my best bet is. Go all the way to Sharks? Save some time and goto somewhere in Frankfurt (ie. Palace or Oase) instead where I can stay a little later and possibly see more girls.
Or give up on the whole idea and go home empty handed. I always goto an FKK when I visit Germany. I guess I should have planned an extra day this time.In Dusseldorf, go to Acapulco Gold close to airport, You will see as pretty as at Sharks for half rate. Put your values in small lockers to safe them. On early day, I don t remember any teen at Sharks.
Ok guys, tell me again why I should return to FKKs?Because fucking in a brothel is still 10 x easier than having to bring them back to your hotel one by one like in other cities.
I have fucked plenty of Eastern Europeans in Dubai. But's it's still an expensive pain in the ass that requires a lot of effort by comparison. First you need to take the taxi to the place (it will be a bar / club inside of a hotel usually 15 minutes away), then you have to pick a woman and pray you made a good choice and that she looks good naked, then you have to take a taxi back to your place, then you have to get them signed in at reception where everyone is looking at you funny, then you finally get to the room and they wany money and a shower first (they will demand you do both). And that's just for 1 woman. Imagine trying to do that 5 times and you're on a limited time crunch.
With brothels, you can just fuck all you want in one place at one time. Mission accomplished. If it wasn't for the FKK concept, I would have zero reason to go back to Germany.
Kind of snow white, despite tattoo, speaking Russian which is so erotic while sex, Maria he told about is Ukrainian and made erotic massage in her country before war. Lovely, fire in bed, even too much for me when lack of sensuality and not the prettiest, even pretty face but a bit average body. For my standard, she worth 100 for 30/40 mn, but not 200/60 , not wow look enough, same like Sofi. De even she is more sensual for sex, but I m not a rabbit, when I enjoy, 60 or 90 mn are far higher quality for me than too fast 30 mn. Both are on highest level at Sharks, far higher level than ranked here as topgirls, but I have higher level elsewhere in Germany for 130/150 for 1 hour or 200/90 , so why to pay more expensive for lower quality, same than for Globe which fell for quality. Most enjoyable game for me is when girls lower their rate after our discovery and to get their best for lowest rate and no extra asked, when nobody would drive like me to return weekly. When I don t go, busy superstar but asking why I didn t come? If I went to other girls? Enjoyable game when touching emotionnal among busy business.My last visit to Sharks I paid 50/30 and 100/60 and that is for girls of reasonable quality like Brenda for example who I paid 100/60. I will not pay 100/30 and 150-200/60 for girls of similar quality. They have to be of stunner hot quality for me to pay that.
My last visit to Sharks I paid 50/30 and 100/60 and that is for girls of reasonable quality like Brenda for example who I paid 100/60. I will not pay 100/30 and 150-200/60 for girls of similar quality. They have to be of stunner hot quality for me to pay that.When was your last visit? On 2021 , I had many 100/60 GFE rooms and with my best Sharks 202 . On French language forum, she got 0 vote, same like superstar Sofia. De at Globe on 2020. I must really be different. On this year, on my way to Summer holidays, I had 150 for nearly 1 h30, really excellent fresh GFE with my best Sharks 2021 girl, so far higher level than my mistake to go with Maxima I tried because many French seemed so enthusiastic.
Because fucking in a brothel is still 10 x easier than having to bring them back to your hotel one by one like in other cities.
I have fucked plenty of Eastern Europeans in Dubai. But's it's still an expensive pain in the ass that requires a lot of effort by comparison. First you need to take the taxi to the place (it will be a bar / club inside of a hotel usually 15 minutes away), then you have to pick a woman and pray you made a good choice and that she looks good naked, then you have to take a taxi back to your place, then you have to get them signed in at reception where everyone is looking at you funny, then you finally get to the room and they wany money and a shower first (they will demand you do both). And that's just for 1 woman. Imagine trying to do that 5 times and you're on a limited time crunch.
With brothels, you can just fuck all you want in one place at one time. Mission accomplished. If it wasn't for the FKK concept, I would have zero reason to go back to Germany.I agree. Even in Paris where we had most beautiful fresh Russian escorts just fallen from Tupolev, I was first client for some who were shinning when I started to speak to them in Russian, like Maria at Sharks, but it was till 2016 . Since then, except from Moscow Victoria and Tatar Nikol rdv4 U and Cz under covid, I m most often disappointed by new looks not worthing 200 for me, when my game was to book for 200/40 or 45 , to make them cum, so they wanted to please me back and stayed 50/55 mn. So I gave up in Paris, or Milano when I m on holidays, when I now find higher quality in Germany. Since July, Sharks is not highest quality, but I really enjoyed few elsewhere and for less expensive than what ask Sharks little Romanians. Germany still worth for quality for me when I didn t lower my standard but highered since covid and I love autobahns, Venus8 breathing so well when I pass border, looking forward testing with now race engine admission to breathe better. Aiming 300 on GPS.
Prostituting is definitely a business where a girl needs to have an exit strategy. You only have so much time you can do it before your looks and sex appeal begin to wane against competition from younger girls. And your lifestyle (drinking, smoking, drug abuse and so on) can only hasten your downfall if you're doing the wrong things. The smartest and most successful girls have a plan, they stick to it, they offer good service, they know how to manage money, and they take care of themselves. In my view, a 10 year stretch is about as long as a girl can go as a successful tute before her value in the business gets too low. And that's only if she's been consistently doing all of the right things, which most of the girls can't sustain. Which in turn means that for most of them their careers are going to be much, much shorter than 10 years. Like maybe only a couple if they (and we LOL) are lucky.Some age fast and lose freshness in few weeks, I don t even say about those putting silicon, tattoes, piercings and prostitute look, but some remain quite fresh for look and behavior and I love to surprise those long time in business types who were fucked by so many, but who look so surprised by my way. I find it so exciting.
In Dusseldorf, go to Acapulco Gold close to airport, You will see as pretty as at Sharks for half rate. Put your values in small lockers to safe them. On early day, I don t remember any teen at Sharks.
I did read about Acapulco Gold, it sounded kind of dirty and some not so great reviews. Saying it was like a dirty elderly nursing home if I recall. And having trouble finding someone attractive.
But you think that Sunday around 2-3 pm, I will have better luck at Acapulco Gold vs on Monday around 1-2 pm at sharks trying to find a good teen?
I did read about Acapulco Gold, it sounded kind of dirty and some not so great reviews. Saying it was like a dirty elderly nursing home if I recall. And having trouble finding someone attractive.
But you think that Sunday around 2-3 pm, I will have better luck at Acapulco Gold vs on Monday around 1-2 pm at sharks trying to find a good teen?I never caught bad at Gold and better value than Sharks teens.
HammerTime96
12-02-23, 23:33
Senna is pretty cute. She sits in the back of the main room, beyond the bar, left of the stairs towards the jacuzzis."
I agree Sena. Ro is cute, and so far higher level in bed, for less expensive.Why do you constantly insist of deliberately misspelling her name? Besides that, she is from Moldova, NOT Romania!
https://www.lustscout.to/forum/showthread.php?tid=194769&highlight=Senna
Sirioja always wrote her name as "Sena". Now I realize that he actually referred to "Senna".
Because fucking in a brothel is still 10 x easier than having to bring them back to your hotel one by one like in other cities.
I have fucked plenty of Eastern Europeans in Dubai. But's it's still an expensive pain in the ass that requires a lot of effort by comparison. First you need to take the taxi to the place (it will be a bar / club inside of a hotel usually 15 minutes away), then you have to pick a woman and pray you made a good choice and that she looks good naked, then you have to take a taxi back to your place, then you have to get them signed in at reception where everyone is looking at you funny, then you finally get to the room and they wany money and a shower first (they will demand you do both). And that's just for 1 woman. Imagine trying to do that 5 times and you're on a limited time crunch.
With brothels, you can just fuck all you want in one place at one time. Mission accomplished. If it wasn't for the FKK concept, I would have zero reason to go back to Germany.I agree, going to clubs can be a waste of time and money.
However, I would define a brothel differently from an FKK.
At an FKK, you might use allot of time either trying to talk to the girls or waiting for them to come to you. You pay the entrance fee in addition to the session fee so it might cost more. Especially if you arent the type that can see too many girls in a day.
At a brothel, they often show you a line up of girls, might have a few seconds to talk to each, then you choose one and done. You can be in and out pretty fast.
Obviously in both cases, if you already know which girl (s) you want, I suppose they can be both quick. However it can be difficult.
Even going through this thread, maybe I can pick out some names, but I don't really have a good idea of what they look like and I have to remember a list of names.
What I've found best in my travels (to my surprise) was in Barcelona. Online reviews that seem to actually be accurate and reliable along with somewhat accurate photos. Pick one, whatsapp to schedule, and then show up. Cheaper too.
I don't typically travel only for this purpose so my time can be limited. An FKK setup isn't always best for me, but perhaps the novelty of it makes me want to go. I usually have at least one decent experience when I visit.
Or give up on the whole idea and go home empty handed. I always goto an FKK when I visit Germany. I guess I should have planned an extra day this time.I would go for this option unfortunately given you can only visit Frankfurt for a few hours on Monday. Monday is normally the slowest day in FKKs and early in the afternoon clubs will be quiet. I do not recommend Acapulco Gold but the entrance is only 35 euros so if you have nothing else to do you could go, some people like it.
I would go for this option unfortunately given you can only visit Frankfurt for a few hours on Monday. Monday is normally the slowest day in FKKs and early in the afternoon clubs will be quiet. I do not recommend Acapulco Gold but the entrance is only 35 euros so if you have nothing else to do you could go, some people like it.Ok thanks. Maybe I'll just go, maybe I'll skip it. I guess I'll see how bored I get on that day. At least I'll get a 40EUR lunch LOL.
Kind of snow white, despite tattoo, speaking Russian which is so erotic while sex, Maria he told about is Ukrainian and made erotic massage in her country before war. Lovely, fire in bed, even too much for me when lack of sensuality and not the prettiest, even pretty face but a bit average body. For my standard, she worth 100 for 30/40 mn, but not 200/60 , not wow look enough, same like Sofi. De even she is more sensual for sex, but I m not a rabbit, when I enjoy, 60 or 90 mn are far higher quality for me than too fast 30 mn. Both are on highest level at Sharks, far higher level than ranked here as topgirls, but I have higher level elsewhere in Germany for 130/150 for 1 hour or 200/90 , so why to pay more expensive for lower quality, same than for Globe which fell for quality. Most enjoyable game for me is when girls lower their rate after our discovery and to get their best for lowest rate and no extra asked, when nobody would drive like me to return weekly. When I don t go, busy superstar but asking why I didn t come? If I went to other girls? Enjoyable game when touching emotionnal among busy business.So Siri, in your opinion, Optically, you think Maria (Ukr / Shark) is not as pretty as Nadia (Ukr (Ro? OASE) whom you rate very high?
So Siri, in your opinion, Optically, you think Maria (Ukr / Shark) is not as pretty as Nadia (Ukr (Ro? OASE) whom you rate very high?Better sexier body for Nadia who is not Ukrainian, but I prefer real Ukrainian Maria. Nadia would make a riot at Sharks or Globe, but no need to repeat for me.
Why do you constantly insist of deliberately misspelling her name? Besides that, she is from Moldova, NOT Romania!If You believe she is from Chisinau, when I know a bit her friend. But she is one of best quality at Sharks.
I agree Sena. Ro is cute, and so far higher level in bed, for less expensive. Why do you constantly insist of deliberately misspelling her name? Besides that, she is from Moldova, NOT Romania!Senna is Moldovan according to lustscout and HammerTime96.
https://www.lustscout.to/forum/showthread.php?tid=194769&highlight=Senna
Senna Mol charges 200/60 according Lustscout.
Sirioja' Romanian Sena charges less expensive. 150/60?
Conclusion: Siri Sena is NOT the Senna we referred.
PinballMachine
12-03-23, 09:24
How much is a taxi from Sharks to FRA airport?
How much is a taxi from Sharks to FRA airport?Around 60 euro one way.
Senna is Moldovan according to lustscout and HammerTime96.
https://www.lustscout.to/forum/showthread.php?tid=194769&highlight=Senna
Senna Mol charges 200/60 according Lustscout.
Sirioja' Romanian Sena charges less expensive. 150/60?
Conclusion: Siri Sena is NOT the Senna we referred.Sena / Senna as You prefer and keep on drinking all what girls say. Moldavia is Republic of Moldavia, Chisinau, Richnau. Iasie is in Romania. Yes, can read on lustcout how some there overpay like You, some Germans paying crazy when they are in love. Once again, no girl at Sharks have look, image and level in bed to worth 200/60 , since this Summer when German snow white left and I paid her 200/90 for her exceptionnal freshness as a part timer.
If You believe she is from Chisinau, when I know a bit her friend. But she is one of best quality at Sharks.And same for Sabrina and Alina, from north east part of Romania, around Iasie. But no matter if Romanian on ID, when girls from Republic of Moldavia couldn't get registration. Since my Freubad Summer 2022 wow girl, I miss to find a elegant natural Romanian beauty when I taught her my GFE and she followed me when she was wild in garden before discovery.
Senna is Moldovan according to lustscout and HammerTime96.
https://www.lustscout.to/forum/showthread.php?tid=194769&highlight=Senna
Senna Mol charges 200/60 according Lustscout.
Sirioja' Romanian Sena charges less expensive. 150/60?
Conclusion: Siri Sena is NOT the Senna we referred.I will probably add to the confusion but I have been with Senna from Moldova and she charged me 150 for an hour.
I will probably add to the confusion but I have been with Senna from Moldova and she charged me 150 for an hour.From Moldavian part of Romania, but I agree for normal rate, when our room was for 100/60 on 2021 and another french used to pay more expensive. We don't all pay same with some girls.
HammerTime96
12-03-23, 21:33
I will probably add to the confusion but I have been with Senna from Moldova and she charged me 150 for an hour.Yes exactly, the 'French Poet' is just spreading more gibberish world salad confusion, as always.
She gives great service, and after sex we usually smoke one of her Moldavian cigarettes.
Yes exactly, the 'French Poet' is just spreading more gibberish world salad confusion, as always.
She gives great service, and after sex we usually smoke one of her Moldavian cigarettes.Is she the one that sits all the way in the back, behind the bar? Milky white skin, 2 buns in her hair? I think I had her, it started with an S.
I had a great time with her in August, session twice, Maxima twice, and Zoe twice. I only paid 100/30 and 50 extra for cum in mouth, its the only thing I really like to do.
Did she raise her rates for everyone? Or did you get suckered? Sorry not trying to be mean, I always have to be careful, I get fucked over being Asian. Not sure which girl, she always sits at the stripper pole, wanted to charge me 150/30 and she kept asking to room, told her no.
Sena offer me a cig before rooming, she would offer when we chat. Very nice gesture. Does anybody know the name of a very tall German blonde? Not Zoe, nor the other German girl that sits at the bar, she is very tall like Zoe, she is nice, but I could not understand her name, good service too.
HammerTime96
12-04-23, 16:54
Is she the one that sits all the way in the back, behind the bar? Milky white skin, 2 buns in her hair? I think I had her, it started with an S.Yes, that's her. Senna is a nice girl, always taking her time smoking a cigarette together before we go to the room and chatting a bit, and also a cigarette in the room after sex with some more chatting.
Did she raise her rates for everyone? Or did you get suckered? Sorry not trying to be mean, I always have to be careful, I get fucked over being Asian.I pay 150 for 60 minutes. With a girl like her (good GFE) I always book 60 minutes.
I have a quick question on transportation logistics. For the guys going to the club without a car, what's the transportation scenario when you leave at 3 am? How do you guys normally get back to the city (Frankfurt)? Uber, train, walk? I have only been to Artemis in Berlin and I"m planning on doing some FKK visits next month. Just considering the situation when I leave the club at 3 am fully feeling my edible and wondering how the f#%k am I getting home? I assume uber, but reaching out to the mongers for verification.
TIA.
Cabs are waiting at Sharks.
BackpackBrian
12-04-23, 20:49
I have a quick question on transportation logistics. For the guys going to the club without a car, what's the transportation scenario when you leave at 3 am? How do you guys normally get back to the city (Frankfurt)? Uber, train, walk? I have only been to Artemis in Berlin and I"m planning on doing some FKK visits next month. Just considering the situation when I leave the club at 3 am fully feeling my edible and wondering how the f#%k am I getting home? I assume uber, but reaching out to the mongers for verification.
TIA.I always stay near the train station in Frankfurt and I've been going to Sharks for 10+ years and found it the cheapest and most practical way to get to the club.
Cabs will cost $50-60 each way, plus the entrance fee, so you're already looking at close to $200 just to get to the club and get in. No good!
What I do is I buy a round trip train ticket at the main station for $11 (price might be different now) each way and the express train will get you to the Darmstadt station in 21 minutes with only 2 stops. They run about every 20-30 minutes. If I remember correctly they leave from platform S8 and S9, but that could vary depending on the day.
Once I arrive at the Darmstadt station, I jump into a cab, which takes about 10-12 minutes and will cost you $12-14 Euros. You can walk it but it will take about 25 minutes and in the summer you will get sweaty and in the winter it might be too cold, so a cab is the best option.
Keep Google maps on your phone to track the train times as the last train from Darmstadt station will leave around 1-2 AM depending on the day, weekends will run more trains. If you fail to get back to Darmstadt station before the last train departs for Frankfurt you will be stuck taking a cab.
In the past I've met guys in the club and have shared cabs with them back to Frankfurt, this has helped the cost, but I don't rely on meeting someone who is willing to do this, so I always anticipate the train or cab as a fallback option.
Yes exactly, the 'French Poet' is just spreading more gibberish world salad confusion, as always.
She gives great service, and after sex we usually smoke one of her Moldavian cigarettes.Don t you know, according to 2017 law, girls from Russia, Ukraine, Republic of Moldavia can't get registration number to work in clubs? When these girls like you, they don't tell they are or return to Chisinau. We experience from what we are with girls, I don't smoke because not good for cardio and blood pressure. I confirm pretty sure available for normal Caucasians for 150/60 .
Thanks very much Siri. I added more. - I didn't know that Alina / Sabrina are still working (from World, right?) I thought they retired.
- Although some claim Maria is a "real" Ukranian, I am not sure. Ukranian is the third-largest minority group in Romania. She maybe grew up in Romania?
- I want to find this Sofi / Sophie. Where is she located?
The reason why the location is important is that, the popular girls are in room with customer most of the time, and they sit for a few minutes and next customer grab them. Unless you know where to look, it's extremely difficult to catch them.
Top quality Girls (at least by some people).
Roxy (couch under Fish tank).
Katalea (close to ex kino).
Above-Average Girls.
Alina / Sabrina / Sena (RO, left side of stairs to jacuzzi, near TV screen).
Bibi (near the pole dance stage which is on the right side of the bar, near the front stairs, looking from the entrance).
Brenda (RO, between the restaurant and the bar, Left side of the bar, looking from the entrance).
Camilla ((near the pole dance stage which is on the right side of the bar, near the front stairs, looking from the entrance).
Cami and Sirin (back of the bar, between TV display and back stairs, looking from the entrance).
Lora (RO, left side of stairs to jacuzzi, near TV screen).
Kitty (RO, near center of shark, L-shape couch facing the bar, between the bar and fish tank).
Kloe (near stairs).
Maria (Ukrainian?, left side of stairs to jacuzzi).
Sofi or Sophie (DE, unknown location).
Vanessa, Mara (same location as Kitty).
Average and below.
Adriana / Lorena / Teodora (couch under aquarium).Wow, if we only had a floorplan, we'd have a nice map.
There's a girl with olive skin and natural blue eyes which is a very rare combination to exist. She sits at chairs next to the wallet lockers.
Any reports on her?
TankTank123
12-05-23, 14:48
I have a quick question on transportation logistics. For the guys going to the club without a car, what's the transportation scenario when you leave at 3 am? How do you guys normally get back to the city (Frankfurt)? Uber, train, walk? I have only been to Artemis in Berlin and I"m planning on doing some FKK visits next month. Just considering the situation when I leave the club at 3 am fully feeling my edible and wondering how the f#%k am I getting home? I assume uber, but reaching out to the mongers for verification.
TIA.First train is at 3.35 am. What I normally do if I am staying late is to take a cab from Sharks to Darmstadt station (13 euros) at 3.15am, buy a ticket and wait for the 3.35 am S3 train to Frankfurt. It will normally already be at platform 3 waiting, as this train starts from Darmstadt. So, you will be warm.
If you need to have a quick nap while waiting for 3am, there are many comfortable deck chairs that can be made flat in the jacuzzi area. And 2 especially comfortable large ones right at the top of the stairs, that I normally go to sleep on. Girls normally do not go up there at that hour to disturb me
Though sometimes there are rowdy drunk Turks in the jacuzzi whose noise keep me awake.
......Once I arrive at the Darmstadt station, I jump into a cab, which takes about 10-12 minutes and will cost you $12-14 Euros. You can walk it but it will take about 25 minutes and in the summer you will get sweaty and in the winter it might be too cold, so a cab is the best option.......You can also take the bus from the train station to Sharks. It will cost a lot less than taxi.
You can also take the bus from the train station to Sharks. It will cost a lot less than taxi.It's the "R" bus.
The last time I went, I noticed that you can buy your train ticket to include the bus and it seemed to cost the same. Then you don't have to buy a separate bus ticket after getting off the train.
PinballMachine
12-05-23, 19:44
I always stay near the train station in Frankfurt and I've been going to Sharks for 10+ years and found it the cheapest and most practical way to get to the club.
Cabs will cost $50-60 each way, plus the entrance fee, so you're already looking at close to $200 just to get to the club and get in. No good!
What I do is I buy a round trip train ticket at the main station for $11 (price might be different now) each way and the express train will get you to the Darmstadt station in 21 minutes with only 2 stops. They run about every 20-30 minutes. If I remember correctly they leave from platform S8 and S9, but that could vary depending on the day.
Once I arrive at the Darmstadt station, I jump into a cab, which takes about 10-12 minutes and will cost you $12-14 Euros. You can walk it but it will take about 25 minutes and in the summer you will get sweaty and in the winter it might be too cold, so a cab is the best option.
Keep Google maps on your phone to track the train times as the last train from Darmstadt station will leave around 1-2 AM depending on the day, weekends will run more trains. If you fail to get back to Darmstadt station before the last train departs for Frankfurt you will be stuck taking a cab.
In the past I've met guys in the club and have shared cabs with them back to Frankfurt, this has helped the cost, but I don't rely on meeting someone who is willing to do this, so I always anticipate the train or cab as a fallback option.And if you go directly from FRA airport to Sharks?
You can also take the bus from the train station to Sharks. It will cost a lot less than taxi.Thanks guys for covering this in detail!
It's the "R" bus.
The last time I went, I noticed that you can buy your train ticket to include the bus and it seemed to cost the same. Then you don't have to buy a separate bus ticket after getting off the train.I just buy the train ticket and that covers the bus. At least that is how I understand it. I've never seen an option for adding a bus ticket to a train ticket and that has confused me. For example: I bought a ticket to Darmstadt in the morning to go later in the evening, and then in the afternoon took a bus from the Frankfurt HBH to some random place. I don't really know if that covers it or not but that is what I've been doing.
I always stay near the train station in Frankfurt and I've been going to Sharks for 10+ years and found it the cheapest and most practical way to get to the club.
Cabs will cost $50-60 each way, plus the entrance fee, so you're already looking at close to $200 just to get to the club and get in. No good!
What I do is I buy a round trip train ticket at the main station for $11 (price might be different now) each way and the express train will get you to the Darmstadt station in 21 minutes with only 2 stops. They run about every 20-30 minutes. If I remember correctly they leave from platform S8 and S9, but that could vary depending on the day.
Once I arrive at the Darmstadt station, I jump into a cab, which takes about 10-12 minutes and will cost you $12-14 Euros. You can walk it but it will take about 25 minutes and in the summer you will get sweaty and in the winter it might be too cold, so a cab is the best option.
Keep Google maps on your phone to track the train times as the last train from Darmstadt station will leave around 1-2 AM depending on the day, weekends will run more trains. If you fail to get back to Darmstadt station before the last train departs for Frankfurt you will be stuck taking a cab.
In the past I've met guys in the club and have shared cabs with them back to Frankfurt, this has helped the cost, but I don't rely on meeting someone who is willing to do this, so I always anticipate the train or cab as a fallback option.I don't think the S3 train that leaves from S8 and S9 platform is Express. The faster train is the RE67/68 and has some sort of final destination like Heidelberg or something. I took the S3 after the 67 got cancelled and the S3 took an hour to get to Darmstadt.
TankTank123
12-06-23, 06:03
I don't think the S3 train that leaves from S8 and S9 platform is Express. The faster train is the RE67/68 and has some sort of final destination like Heidelberg or something. I took the S3 after the 67 got cancelled and the S3 took an hour to get to Darmstadt.The usual S3 takes 35 minutes and they are usually punctual. There is, however, one particular S3 service that does a loop serving many small towns between Darmstadt and Frankfurt and thus taking 1 hour, but it is not common. This S3 runs at a time that is different from the normal S3 (which runs every 30 minutes). I once missed the normal S3 and was overjoyed to see another S3 just about 10 minutes later. Cost me 1 hour of my time when I was in a hurry. Nice tour of small German villages though.
The RB trains, while faster, very often run late, or get cancelled, or get stuck just before Langen.
There's a girl with olive skin and natural blue eyes which is a very rare combination to exist. She sits at chairs next to the wallet lockers.
Any reports on her?Because she wants to be first for the money.
I just buy the train ticket and that covers the bus. At least that is how I understand it. I've never seen an option for adding a bus ticket to a train ticket and that has confused me. For example: I bought a ticket to Darmstadt in the morning to go later in the evening, and then in the afternoon took a bus from the Frankfurt HBH to some random place. I don't really know if that covers it or not but that is what I've been doing.LOL, I won't pretend to understand the complicated german public transit system.
First time going to sharks, I recall I used the app to buy a train ticked from frankfurt to darmstadt. Then, once arriving I'd lookup the bus and bought a ticket for the bus on the app. Second time, I noticed on the app, if I typed in the full route, it was the same price so I did that. I don't know if this meant that the train ticket would just work on the bus. That sort of thing is difficult to figure out since no one checks. I just know if I book the whole route, I'm definitely covered. If I could read german, the train and "train+bus" ticket probably look the same and just say they cover the same zone.
....... That sort of thing is difficult to figure out since no one checks......From my many years of travelling on the German trains I have seen officials check for tickets an average of twice per week randomly. Of my many years of taking the bus to Sharks an official checked tickets on the bus only once. Similarly, of the many years travelling on the trams throughout Frankfurt I saw an official checking tickets only once.
LOL, I won't pretend to understand the complicated german public transit system.
First time going to sharks, I recall I used the app to buy a train ticked from frankfurt to darmstadt. Then, once arriving I'd lookup the bus and bought a ticket for the bus on the app. Second time, I noticed on the app, if I typed in the full route, it was the same price so I did that. I don't know if this meant that the train ticket would just work on the bus. That sort of thing is difficult to figure out since no one checks. I just know if I book the whole route, I'm definitely covered. If I could read german, the train and "train+bus" ticket probably look the same and just say they cover the same zone.The system uses zones. The only exclusions are often the ICE trains So yes. If you pick the end location the price is often the same as picking just the Hbf / main train station.
And if you're around a couple days the multiple day tickets are an amazing savings.
From my many years of travelling on the German trains I have seen officials check for tickets an average of twice per week randomly. Of my many years of taking the bus to Sharks an official checked tickets on the bus only once. Similarly, of the many years travelling on the trams throughout Frankfurt I saw an official checking tickets only once.I did not suggest that no checks existed, I was saying that you aren't asked every time like in other countries so if you made an error And boarded with the wrong ticket, it wouldn't be immediately obvious.
The system uses zones. The only exclusions are often the ICE trains So yes. If you pick the end location the price is often the same as picking just the Hbf / main train station.
And if you're around a couple days the multiple day tickets are an amazing savings.Yep! I plan to do a day ticket this time (if I go).
BackpackBrian
12-07-23, 02:01
I don't think the S3 train that leaves from S8 and S9 platform is Express. The faster train is the RE67/68 and has some sort of final destination like Heidelberg or something. I took the S3 after the 67 got cancelled and the S3 took an hour to get to Darmstadt.Ya, I'm probably wrong about the train number and platform, but the fastest train to Darmstadt station is the one that has only 2 stops before Darmstadt and takes approximately 21 minutes. I've taken it many times over the years. It's a little more expensive (10-12 Euro each way) than the regular train, but it saves you time! This train will run all day and until about 2 am, maybe later, just check the schedule in the Apple or Google maps app.
The best thing you can do is open Apple maps or Google maps on your phone and map Frankfurt to Darmstadt, selecting the train (icon) method of travel. This will show you the train numbers and even the platforms at the station. Then just go to the ticketing office and purchase your ticket.
Opinion. As much as I like Sharks, it's expensive. With the cost of travel (21 Euro for 2 train tickets, 25 Euro for 2 cabs, 60 Euro entrance) plus the entrance fee, you've already spent 100+ Euro just to get into the club. My favorite club in Frankfurt is Mainhatten, not because of the quantity of girls but because it's more laid back, great kino, decent food, good wellness, and you can walk (takes 1+ hrs but it's right through the heart of downtown with shops and stores) or take the above ground tram for 2. 30 Euro from across the street from the main station right to the club (exit Industryhoff) and walk about 150 meters.
This is my first post in ISG but I think it is necessary to aware people here about the bad staff at this club and their racist remarks. I am American Chinese and I visit the club every 2 months for a week. I had a issue with a girl in the room and complained to the reception. I told them I will only pay half of the money I. E 100 euros, orginally fixed 200/30 min. Then the bodyguards came and insulted me. They asked me to pay the full amount. I was a little angry and they insulted me and made racist remarks like you fucking Chinese and used bad words. This club is not for Chinese looking people. They threated me and made me feel bad because of my look. I paid 200 Euros to the girl and left the club. I am not going there anymore and want to warn Chinese looking to be aware as they are racists.
There is another train station in Darmstadt, Darmstadt Nord which is one stop from Frankfurt and then a 15 minute walk to Sharks. The trains aren't as frequent as to Darmstadt HBF.
The cheapest and easiest thing to do is to just stay in Darmstadt.
There was a party last Saturday in Sharks with some German model / porn star Micaela Schfer. It was particularly bad, there was a DJ playing shit loud music then she did a "show" at the top of the stairs on the back which was her playing some more loud music and taking her top off.
There are 100+ naked girls in Sharks most of which we are more attractive than she was, she literally didn't bring anything to the party.
For the first time in my recent memory they ran out of locker keys at the front desk so unfortunately it might be repeated. I read in Germany a lot of people get a bonus in December of another months salary so suspect that was more the reason for the large attendance.
I am an American Chinese and I go to sharks every year three times for a week. This time I got a really insulting racist behaviour from reception and guards so I thought about asking in this forum as my first post. Has anyone got the same behaviour for being Chinese? I don't know ifi should share my story or not.
The system uses zones. The only exclusions are often the ICE trains So yes. If you pick the end location the price is often the same as picking just the Hbf / main train station.
And if you're around a couple days the multiple day tickets are an amazing savings.I will definitely buy a multiple day ticket next time. I used the ticket machines. I did use google apps this time around and it was beneficial. I am wondering if a multiple day ticket would cover all my journeys to both Sharks and Oase and around Frankfurt. I have wasted money by not using the most economical options.
There was a party last Saturday in Sharks with some German model / porn star Micaela Schfer. It was particularly bad, there was a DJ playing shit loud music then she did a "show" at the top of the stairs on the back which was her playing some more loud music and taking her top off.
There are 100+ naked girls in Sharks most of which we are more attractive than she was, she literally didn't bring anything to the party.
For the first time in my recent memory they ran out of locker keys at the front desk so unfortunately it might be repeated. I read in Germany a lot of people get a bonus in December of another months salary so suspect that was more the reason for the large attendance.Oase was busy that night with their party but probably not that busy. I think I might have made the right choice from your description for that evening. It was toss up for me.
Ya, I'm probably wrong about the train number and platform, but the fastest train to Darmstadt station is the one that has only 2 stops before Darmstadt and takes approximately 21 minutes. I've taken it many times over the years. It's a little more expensive (10-12 Euro each way) than the regular train, but it saves you time! This train will run all day and until about 2 am, maybe later, just check the schedule in the Apple or Google maps app.
The best thing you can do is open Apple maps or Google maps on your phone and map Frankfurt to Darmstadt, selecting the train (icon) method of travel. This will show you the train numbers and even the platforms at the station. Then just go to the ticketing office and purchase your ticket.
Opinion. As much as I like Sharks, it's expensive. With the cost of travel (21 Euro for 2 train tickets, 25 Euro for 2 cabs, 60 Euro entrance) plus the entrance fee, you've already spent 100+ Euro just to get into the club. My favorite club in Frankfurt is Mainhatten, not because of the quantity of girls but because it's more laid back, great kino, decent food, good wellness, and you can walk (takes 1+ hrs but it's right through the heart of downtown with shops and stores) or take the above ground tram for 2. 30 Euro from across the street from the main station right to the club (exit Industryhoff) and walk about 150 meters.This is slightly off topic but I had a hot spinner offer me anal in the RLD for 100 euro. I thought that was a bargain. I had two lackluster experiences there but the women were hot in my eyes. The third one renewed my faith in trying it. They are still offering sex for 30 euro there. With one of them I offered 50 to get better service but communication was not the best. The anal for 100 was great though. I would pick some of the women in the RLD district over all the women in Sharks sometimes.
I visit the club every 2 months for a week.I had an issue with a girl in .. 200/30 min. . . I paid 200 Euros to the girl and left the club. . . .You are such regular visitor and still hoaxed by girls?
Your failed to mention 200/30 for which girl and what kind of service. So your post didn't help anyone to avoid trap.
I paid 200/60 to girls but Siriojastill blamed me.
While you paid 200/30 to a girl, your behavior would upset and irritate Siri and lots other mongers because you hike price to 200/30. They only want to pay 50/30.
Racism is a sensitive topic. You should go to other forums to discuss. We here only talk about monger's sex actives.
I told them I will only pay half of the money I. E 100 euros, orginally fixed 200/30 min. Then the bodyguards came and insulted me. They asked me to pay the full amount. I was a little angry and they insulted me and made racist remarks like you fucking Chinese and used bad words. This club is not for Chinese looking people. They threated me and made me feel bad because of my look. I paid 200 Euros to the girl and left the club. I am not going there anymore and want to warn Chinese looking to be aware as they are racists.Very sorry to hear this, are you able to share what the issue was? I've never gone to reception before but most of the stories I heard they side with the client not the girl. Even if your complaint wasn't justified there is no excuse for racist remarks.
This is my first post in ISG but I think it is necessary to aware people here about the bad staff at this club and their racist remarks. I am American Chinese and I visit the club every 2 months for a week. I had a issue with a girl in the room and complained to the reception. I told them I will only pay half of the money I. E 100 euros, orginally fixed 200/30 min. Then the bodyguards came and insulted me. They asked me to pay the full amount. I was a little angry and they insulted me and made racist remarks like you fucking Chinese and used bad words. This club is not for Chinese looking people. They threated me and made me feel bad because of my look. I paid 200 Euros to the girl and left the club. I am not going there anymore and want to warn Chinese looking to be aware as they are racists.I made a deal with the girl, I forgot the name but sits on the front of the bar after entrance for 200/30 min with full GFE. Then in the room she refused kissing and after 15 minutes told me the time was up. Then I complained at the reception only to get the racist words towards my community. I am done with the club and these racist idiots.
This is my first post in ISG but I think it is necessary to aware people here about the bad staff at this club and their racist remarks. I am American Chinese and I visit the club every 2 months for a week. I had a issue with a girl in the room and complained to the reception. I told them I will only pay half of the money I. E 100 euros, orginally fixed 200/30 min. Then the bodyguards came and insulted me. They asked me to pay the full amount. I was a little angry and they insulted me and made racist remarks like you fucking Chinese and used bad words. This club is not for Chinese looking people. They threated me and made me feel bad because of my look. I paid 200 Euros to the girl and left the club. I am not going there anymore and want to warn Chinese looking to be aware as they are racists.A few things:
1. What issue did you have with the girl in the room?
2. Pick your battles wisely. Dying on a hill over 100 euros, at the risk of being insulted or kicked out, is not worth the trouble. If you agreed to a price, then you honor it. For example, the French chick is a scam artist (horrible service) but I ate the bullet and paid what I agreed to pay.
3. If you get offended easily, then again, choose your battles wisely.
4. I've seen plenty of Asian, African, Turkish, etc. men in Sharks with zero issues. I've seen plenty of fat, old, and ugly men too, zero issues.
P.S. I'm black, never had any issue after dozens of trips there. I dont want any drama and I'm not fighting on any hills over 100 euros when I paid 10x that just to fly there. I just dont think trying to start a crusade to prevent Asians from going to sharks is the right idea.
A few things:
1. What issue did you have with the girl in the room?
2. Pick your battles wisely. Dying on a hill over 100 euros, at the risk of being insulted or kicked out, is not worth the trouble. If you agreed to a price, then you honor it. For example, the French chick is a scam artist (horrible service) but I ate the bullet and paid what I agreed to pay.
3. If you get offended easily, then again, choose your battles wisely.
4. I've seen plenty of Asian, African, Turkish, etc. men in Sharks with zero issues. I've seen plenty of fat, old, and ugly men too, zero issues.
P.S. I'm black, never had any issue after dozens of trips there. I dont want any drama and I'm not fighting on any hills over 100 euros when I paid 10x that just to fly there. I just dont think trying to start a crusade to prevent Asians from going to sharks is the right idea.Here the matter is not 100 Euros, its about the racist behaviour. I cannot accept it.
HammerTime96
12-07-23, 20:10
This is my first post in ISG but I think it is necessary to aware people here about the bad staff at this club and their racist remarks. I am American Chinese and I visit the club every 2 months for a week. I had a issue with a girl in the room and complained to the reception. I told them I will only pay half of the money I. E 100 euros, orginally fixed 200/30 min. Then the bodyguards came and insulted me. They asked me to pay the full amount. I was a little angry and they insulted me and made racist remarks like you fucking Chinese and used bad words. This club is not for Chinese looking people. They threated me and made me feel bad because of my look. I paid 200 Euros to the girl and left the club. I am not going there anymore and want to warn Chinese looking to be aware as they are racists.
I am an American Chinese and I go to sharks every year three times for a week. This time I got a really insulting racist behaviour from reception and guards so I thought about asking in this forum as my first post. Has anyone got the same behaviour for being Chinese? I don't know ifi should share my story or not.A brand new account posting claims of of anti-Chinese racism!? Hmm, haven't we heard this before? Ah wait, I know:
I heard that a group of Asians were assaulted upon leaving Sharks late Sunday / early Monday morning in the parking lot. The assailants were masked men. In addition, what is really disturbing is Sharks security / bodyguards also participated in the attack.
Can somebody please confirm? If true and you are Asian, please be careful out there. There's really no place for Asian Hate. We see enough Asian Hate in America.Remember that strange post from a few months ago when supposedly some Chinese male guests were attacked by masked men in the parking lot and Sharks security even joined the attackers? Same pattern, same invented bullshit.
There was a party last Saturday in Sharks with some German model / porn star Micaela Schfer. It was particularly bad, there was a DJ playing shit loud music then she did a "show" at the top of the stairs on the back which was her playing some more loud music and taking her top off.Yup, you made another typical beginner's mistake: never visit any club during a 'party. ' This has been discussed here a million times before.
A few things:
1. What issue did you have with the girl in the room?
Excellent question, zero context provided.
A few things:
2. Pick your battles wisely. Dying on a hill over 100 euros, at the risk of being insulted or kicked out, is not worth the trouble. If you agreed to a price, then you honor it. For example, the French chick is a scam artist (horrible service) but I ate the bullet and paid what I agreed to pay.
I don't quite agree, I've sometimes seen men complaining at the reception but I've NEVER seen security get involved. It's always the reception ladies who handle those issues, but I can imagine that the girls at the reception call security if the guy is a completely uncivilized, rude, drunk, and aggressive asshole. On the other hand, we as customer don't have to accept everything, and if the situation was really bad (WG refusing to provide any service) and many customers complain about this particular girl then she can get kicked out from Sharks.
4. I've seen plenty of Asian, African, Turkish, etc. men in Sharks with zero issues. I've seen plenty of fat, old, and ugly men too, zero issues.
P.S. I'm black, never had any issue after dozens of trips there. I dont want any drama and I'm not fighting on any hills over 100 euros when I paid 10x that just to fly there. I just dont think trying to start a crusade to prevent Asians from going to sharks is the right idea.Exactly, many many many people from LOTS of different cultural backgrounds and it's never a problem. A little while ago I met a nice guy from the US who was originally from Africa, and he told me that he had a great time.
In March-April I met some Chinese guys and although they complained about the high prices, they were polite and never mentioned anything about racism from WGs or Sharks management:
P.S. Funny anecdote: about 1 month ago I was chilling upstairs and I was approached by a small group of 6-7 really nice Chinese visitors who asked me what the prices were. I told them: "it used to be 50430, but now most girls demand 100430" and they were completely stunned. It turns out that the last time they were in Sharks was in 2019 and they were used to paying 50430 and thought that they were suddenly getting ripped off or refused by girls just because they were foreigners. They spent the whole afternoon and evening walking around, sitting around, smoking cigarettes and chatting to each other, and I'm pretty sure that nearly all of the guys in that group left Sharks unfucked that night. So finally some of the Asians are now waking up to the fact that they are getting ripped off by this 100430 and are refusing (or are unable) to pay these crazy prices. Now I guess we just need to wait for the Japanese and the Gringos to wake up, and then things can slowly return to normal again in FKK Land.
Prelude141
12-07-23, 21:27
I made a deal with the girl, I forgot the name but sits on the front of the bar after entrance for 200/30 min with full GFE. Then in the room she refused kissing and after 15 minutes told me the time was up. Then I complained at the reception only to get the racist words towards my community. I am done with the club and these racist idiots.Any girl you accept to pay such a price for only 30 min will immediately understand that you are an easy pray. She will therefore not deliver and will be pretty much certain you will still pay the ridiculous price. I would advice indeed to stay away from the club and let people who don't overpay have fun. Thank you.
I made a deal with the girl, I forgot the name but sits on the front of the bar after entrance for 200/30 min with full GFE. Then in the room she refused kissing and after 15 minutes told me the time was up. Then I complained at the reception only to get the racist words towards my community. I am done with the club and these racist idiots.Girls sitting at the bar facing entry are among the worst and asking the most expensive. They sit at this place because they have quite slow business, trying to be in good position.
You are such regular visitor and still hoaxed by girls?
Your failed to mention 200/30 for which girl and what kind of service. So your post didn't help anyone to avoid trap.
I paid 200/60 to girls but Siriojastill blamed me.
While you paid 200/30 to a girl, your behavior would upset and irritate Siri and lots other mongers because you hike price to 200/30. They only want to pay 50/30.
Racism is a sensitive topic. You should go to other forums to discuss. We here only talk about monger's sex actives.No, you do what you want with your money as I do with mine, but we have very different standards for quality and value. Once again, can find really attractive and super GFE really fkissing German escorts for less than 200/60 when you make them cum.
I am an American Chinese and I go to sharks every year three times for a week. This time I got a really insulting racist behaviour from reception and guards so I thought about asking in this forum as my first post. Has anyone got the same behaviour for being Chinese? I don't know ifi should share my story or not.You made two similar posts with sightly different facts.
I'm sorry American Chinese.
Anyways:
1. I would never think to complain to reception, don't they specifically say what happens between you and a girl isn't their problem?
2. Girls everywhere will try to rip off anyone anywhere regardless of race.
3. As a foreigner, you are always at a disadvantage.
You'll always encounter people who may be racist? Ever try to do this in Japan? They'll turn away Japanese if they don't speak the language well enough.
BackpackBrian
12-07-23, 23:21
They only want to pay 50/30.
Can you blame us?
For 15 years, from 2002, when brothels were legalized, until 2017 when the German Gov't passed the "Gummi" law all basic service at the 5 clubs around Frankfurt.
Cost 50 Euro for basic service (BBBJ + sex in 2-3 positions) and most of the girls allowed pussy licking, some kissing, etc.
Between 2017 and Dec 2023 the girls doubled that price because the 2017 "Gummi" law states that you can't have the club set any price for your service as your an independent contractor not working for the club and you can't provide service without a condom! This allowed the girls to upsell a BBBJ for an extra 50 Euro as a separate service because BBBJ is now "illegal"!
If the prices for BBBJ + sex in 2-3 positions increased only moderately to 60-70 Euro, you wouldn't have that many of us complain about the prices. But some girls now want 50 Euro for each and every little extra.
And no need for the other members (Siroja) of this forum to mention clubs outside of Frankfurt that still have 50 Euro rates or the girls that will still work in Sharks for 50 Euro for BBBJ + sex. I'm an active participant of both, but it's now much more limited where you can still get these prices.
Yup, you made another typical beginner's mistake: never visit any club during a 'party. ' This has been discussed here a million times before.How have you come to the conclusion I'm a beginner? I go to Sharks every 2 to 3 weeks but I go on the weekends when Darmstadt 98 are at playing at home as I like to watch football as well. That Saturday was a party unfortunately, I'm not a fan of them although often in Sharks a party is just a bit of extra food and not much else.
I still had a good time, I went with Alina, Sabrina, Catalea & Roxi, not to everyone's tastes I'm sure but that part was good. The party aspect wasn't though, I watched a bit of the "show" and then left soon afterwards. The girls I spoke to on Sunday were all in agreement the music was too loud and it wasn't a good show.
...because BBBJ is now "illegal"!....What happened with that law?
My first visits were before the law. The good old days. Then, I remember reading the law. I'd ask every girl I was interested in about BBBJ (and CIM) and some would do it and some would not. Some for extra, some not. (I usually want CIM because their tiny thick condoms never work out for me. But in times I didn't need it, some would only charge me the base rate).
Then, it was like every girl did it again and would be like "ofcourse" when I asked.
Did the law get repealed?
This is my first post in ISG but I think it is necessary to aware people here about the bad staff at this club and their racist remarks. I am American Chinese and I visit the club every 2 months for a week. I had a issue with a girl in the room and complained to the reception. I told them I will only pay half of the money I. E 100 euros, orginally fixed 200/30 min. Then the bodyguards came and insulted me. They asked me to pay the full amount. I was a little angry and they insulted me and made racist remarks like you fucking Chinese and used bad words. This club is not for Chinese looking people. They threated me and made me feel bad because of my look. I paid 200 Euros to the girl and left the club. I am not going there anymore and want to warn Chinese looking to be aware as they are racists.I am sorry this happened, but you cannot accuse them of racism. Did you see how many Asian people are welcomed and having a good time every single day? It's not your race, but your behavior was the problem. If you said 200, you have to pay full price. Bring a watch and discuss what 30 minutes means before the session. Some girls think 30 minutes starts from the lounge and end at the wallet locker, so it's like 15-20 min in the room (This really depends on girls, that's why you should discuss). Also, every guy knows that most girls overstate the level of their "GFE" service, but it's part of the game. Finally, this is a brothel, not a 5 star hotel. Most girls and employee are very poorly educated and they may use the words filled with prejudice. If you don't like this type of environment, you shouldn't visit here in the first place.
Neurosynth
12-08-23, 07:30
Apparently the bouncer addressed him using a racist term. If someone calls him a "chink" or whatever, that's a racist act virtually by definition.
They only want to pay 50/30.
Can you blame us?
For 15 years, from 2002, when brothels were legalized, until 2017 when the German Gov't passed the "Gummi" law all basic service at the 5 clubs around Frankfurt.
Cost 50 Euro for basic service (BBBJ + sex in 2-3 positions) and most of the girls allowed pussy licking, some kissing, etc.
Between 2017 and Dec 2023 the girls doubled that price because the 2017 "Gummi" law states that you can't have the club set any price for your service as your an independent contractor not working for the club and you can't provide service without a condom! This allowed the girls to upsell a BBBJ for an extra 50 Euro as a separate service because BBBJ is now "illegal"!
If the prices for BBBJ + sex in 2-3 positions increased only moderately to 60-70 Euro, you wouldn't have that many of us complain about the prices. But some girls now want 50 Euro for each and every little extra.
And no need for the other members (Siroja) of this forum to mention clubs outside of Frankfurt that still have 50 Euro rates or the girls that will still work in Sharks for 50 Euro for BBBJ + sex. I'm an active participant of both, but it's now much more limited where you can still get these prices.Til 15 March 2020 , usual rate at Sharks including BBBJ, DATY, better fkissing than most little Romanians now, fucking, was for 100/30 and was still very usual on 2021 , with Sena, Daisi. De. 2017 law was just a joke, except for registration, but still fkissing, BBBJ, even AO, on business. Rates really exploded at Sharks on 2022 , now the place to fuck tourists and bad value for money with going down quality for looks. Pity when staff made a lot of works to improve, but much better values for girls elsewhere in Germany and even around FRA. I thought these higher rates would attract top girls from escorting which is not so good in Germany, but same than at Globe since few years, no escort profiles except Sofi, but average girls coming for big money, many mostly warming ass with slow business, when not tourist in mind won t pay more expensive for lower quality.
I am sorry this happened, but you cannot accuse them of racism. Did you see how many Asian people are welcomed and having a good time every single day? It's not your race, but your behavior was the problem. If you said 200, you have to pay full price. Bring a watch and discuss what 30 minutes means before the session. Some girls think 30 minutes starts from the lounge and end at the wallet locker, so it's like 15-20 min in the room (This really depends on girls, that's why you should discuss). Also, every guy knows that most girls overstate the level of their "GFE" service, but it's part of the game. Finally, this is a brothel, not a 5 star hotel. Most girls and employee are very poorly educated and they may use the words filled with prejudice. If you don't like this type of environment, you shouldn't visit here in the first place.I want to tell you, its not about the money. You would know what am I talking about if you look different in a community and you are insulted and hated the way you look. The racism is not acceptable at all.
What happened with that law?
My first visits were before the law. The good old days. Then, I remember reading the law. I'd ask every girl I was interested in about BBBJ (and CIM) and some would do it and some would not. Some for extra, some not. (I usually want CIM because their tiny thick condoms never work out for me. But in times I didn't need it, some would only charge me the base rate).
Then, it was like every girl did it again and would be like "ofcourse" when I asked.
Did the law get repealed?2017 law was just a joke, go to Aldi Dietz. Only registration work: No Russian, nor Ukrainian, nor from real Moldavia, just fallen from Tupolev can work in FKK, when some believe so much and think so few. Of course, some girls may feel Moldavian from roots, but what is written on ID, to get registration which is only for EU.
HammerTime96
12-08-23, 09:42
How have you come to the conclusion I'm a beginner?Perhaps because you seemed totally surprised that it's a big sausage fest during a weekend when there is a party, and that this party usually sucks big time? Come on, everybody knows that FKK parties suck: long waiting times for rooms, many men in a very crowded main room, packed and dirty locker room, many mediocre women trying their luck. During the summer it's bearable because you can escape into the garden, but during the winter time it's pure masochism to visit, LOL!
There was a party last Saturday in Sharks with some German model / porn star Micaela Schfer. It was particularly bad, there was a DJ playing shit loud music then she did a "show" at the top of the stairs on the back which was her playing some more loud music and taking her top off.The loud music I have noticed before during 'normal' weekends a few months ago, when they play some horrible heavy bass rap music. It made the whole club incredibly lethargic, but the incredibly slow bar staff seemed to like it. Thankfully this hasn't been repeated.
Very pretty, wears red and sit at the end of the bar? 2 pigtails, she is very cold to speak to.
I spoke with her and decided she was bad to go with. This was back in August, it will be a few years before I head back, need to recoup some money.
Any girl you accept to pay such a price for only 30 min will immediately understand that you are an easy pray. She will therefore not deliver and will be pretty much certain you will still pay the ridiculous price. I would advice indeed to stay away from the club and let people who don't overpay have fun. Thank you.I think he is referring to the little Romanian girl, the locals have warned me about her.
Apparently the bouncer addressed him using a racist term. If someone calls him a "chink" or whatever, that's a racist act virtually by definition.A lot of the eastern European girls are uneducated and ignorant (why they're prostituting in the first place) and won't hesitate to use racist language. Being "politically correct" never took hold in the east like it did in the west. Thing is they may say something and not even realize they're being offensive to the other person.
Apparently the bouncer addressed him using a racist term. If someone calls him a "chink" or whatever, that's a racist act virtually by definition.One thing that I don't think is over thinking it is that a bouncer's job is to intimidate. He probably adjusts his insults to the individual. I kinda think that children that did not learn that words don't hurt people were given a disservice. The bouncer knows sticks and stones hurt people but words do not. Whether or not to respond to an insult can be situational. If you are a mob boss and a subordinate insults you that may be grounds for acting. If your boss insults you whether or not you respond could depend on societal support or how much you need your job. If you are a mechanic and someone calls you a liar you probably only get upset if you are one or you don't value your costumer. It is really kinda ridiculous if you over think it.
Prelude141
12-08-23, 15:26
I think he is referring to the little Romanian girl, the locals have warned me about her.The club is full of little Romanian girls.
One thing that I don't think is over thinking it is that a bouncer's job is to intimidate. He probably adjusts his insults to the individual. I kinda think that children that did not learn that words don't hurt people were given a disservice. The bouncer knows sticks and stones hurt people but words do not. Whether or not to respond to an insult can be situational. If you are a mob boss and a subordinate insults you that may be grounds for acting. If your boss insults you whether or not you respond could depend on societal support or how much you need your job. If you are a mechanic and someone calls you a liar you probably only get upset if you are one or you don't value your costumer. It is really kinda ridiculous if you over think it.They matter! And although they may not hurt anybody physically, people are human beings not robots. That means they have emotions and feelings which can't always be suppressed (and shouldn't always be if you ask me). I know of one mean-spirited person who felt like it was OK to say whatever she wanted because she literally couldn't make a person feel a certain way (people are in control of their own emotions). That's true, but that doesn't recognize the way that life really works (we don't operate in a vacuum without reacting to other people), and it's just the rhetoric of people who don't want to be held accountable for their own behavior and the impact they can have on other people. One thing I've noticed in life. When somebody else is slighted, it's easy for other people to say they should just let it go. Let it slide. But then when it's them who feels slighted, all of a sudden they're not following their own advice and get all indignant. Yep, it's not so easy to let it go when it's you who's the target of somebody else's offensive words.
Also, it's an FKK, not a classy establishment. The chances of encountering someone that is not "politically correct" is much much higher. Paying for sex like this isn't exactly "politically correct" to start with (regardless of what politicians actually do).First of all, I don't believe that's true. That you're more likely to meet somebody who's no pc just because it's an FKK. You're letting hypocritical puritan society control how you think about it. That prostitution is always bad. I don't agree. And second, the fact that one is paying for sex has no bearing on how two people choose to treat one other. They can choose to be respectful towards each other or not. The Golden Rule. Treat people how you yourself want to be treated. It works.
Perhaps because you seemed totally surprised that it's a big sausage fest during a weekend when there is a party.I was surprised how shit the loud music was and how bad the show was, wasn't surprised by how busy it was.
I was surprised how shit the loud music was and how bad the show was, wasn't surprised by how busy it was.Pornstars on party are always really not pretty and not only at Sharks.
They matter! And although they may not hurt anybody physically, people are human beings not robots. That means they have emotions and feelings which can't always be suppressed (and shouldn't always be if you ask me). I know of one mean-spirited person who felt like it was OK to say whatever she wanted because she literally couldn't make a person feel a certain way (people are in control of their own emotions). That's true, but that doesn't recognize the way that life really works (we don't operate in a vacuum without reacting to other people), and it's just the rhetoric of people who don't want to be held accountable for their own behavior and the impact they can have on other people. One thing I've noticed in life. When somebody else is slighted, it's easy for other people to say they should just let it go. Let it slide. But then when it's them who feels slighted, all of a sudden they're not following their own advice and get all indignant. Yep, it's not so easy to let it go when it's you who's the target of somebody else's offensive words.It is also easier to say "let it go" when someone else is the person physically or financially harmed. This could be more about financial harm and being taken advantage of as much as being called a name. That would be the case for me. The name calling would be adding insult to injury. I'm just breaking it down. I think my posts are being rather good. I'm not feeling like the offensive boogy man. I am out more money than this gentleman's situation for being slightly taken advantage of myself. I take responsibility for it and the woman was amazingly good at it. Some of the woman's job is to entice people. I want a woman enticing me. I do congratulate him for standing up to something inappropriate if that actually happened. I think it helps to realize that a bouncer is paid to be intimidating. They are managing a situation. Apparently, they were not siding with this gentleman. Personsally, I suspect the scenario is fabricated because I don't believe everything I read on the internet. That doesn't stop me from analyzing a scenario. I am a hypothetical. I am not a person saying offensive things because words don't matter.
We'll have to agree to disagree on the first point, (that you are more likely to meet someone who is not "PC" in a FKK / brothel (ie FKK Palace) as compared to a "classy establishment" (ie. Buckingham Palace).Really? I cannot believe you just went there! Seems you don't follow the news my friend. Buckingham Palace "classy" on the matter? Not!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbtDybAjXAI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6kiIDBbm64
If you happen to be an Middle age East/South East Asians, you're often perceived as a lucrative target by the sharks, attracting opportunists aiming to exploit you for monetary gain. The question arises: who perpetuates this stereotype? Blame all of that to the predecessors who create this perception thinking they are in Tokyo, Singapore, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Macau, Seoul etc, willing to pay whatever they have been asked to pay. These are the type of people who actually ruin the market. For them it is not a problem as it is only a one off occasion or even once in a lifetime..Economically speaking, they are not "ruining the market". In normal free market, it's quite natural that rich buyer pay more than poor buyer, and popular girl get paid more than less popular girl. Supply and Demand determine the price. The fixed price system at low price (50 E /30 mins) for all girls and all men is anti-market and socialism price system. Of course, I prefer 50 E /30 m, but I am also a free market supporter.
Generally speaking, Sharks is a decent club. I met many Asians friends each time I visited. Overall they enjoyed their experience in Sharks. Some of them might have complaints but most likely related to communication issues with girls or surcharges. None of them were related to so called "racism".
Years ago in 2018 on a Sunday afternoon, I saw front desk lady yelled to a Japanese guy. The guy seemed to speak poor English so front desk woman tried to bully him and told him no way to find a parking if parking lot was full. I then tried to help this Japanese to find a parking space closed to Aldi and walked back to club. This was only one case I saw that club employee was rude to customers.
BackpackBrian
12-09-23, 08:26
Economically speaking, they are not "ruining the market". In normal free market, it's quite natural that rich buyer pay more than poor buyer, and popular girl get paid more than less popular girl. Supply and Demand determine the price. The fixed price system at low price (50 E /30 mins) for all girls and all men is anti-market and socialism price system. Of course, I prefer 50 E /30 m, but I am also a free market supporter.No, it's not normal for a rich buyer to pay more for the same good or service, where did you receive your education?
While I'm a free market capitalist, setting a price at the club for the girls is not anti-market or socialist.
If the girls had no options to work at other clubs, and all the clubs set the same price, which they didn't, then there would be (some) anti-market practices and certainly not socialist type rules. Under a socialist type system the club would have taken pay from girls who worked and then redistributed it to other girls that didn't work as much! Or charged one punter more for the same service and then redistributed some of that payment to another man to subsidize his service.
But that's the farthest from the truth, the girls were paid by the men directly and worked at many clubs that charged less and lots of clubs that charged more! That still applies today to clubs around Frankfurt that want $100 and many in NRW that still charge $50.
Some examples: Artemis was $60/30 min, lots of clubs in NRW were $30-40/30 min and clubs in Zurich like Globe charged almost $100/30 min.
Furthermore, setting a standard rate of $50 is fair market competition, not anti-market practices as men will shop around for the cheapest prices, in many cases, but not all. This would be like buying a BMW at different dealerships. All the dealerships are competing for your business and you'll eventually buy from the dealer that has the best price! Or buying a Macbook at the store that has the best deal. Your buying sex as a service and it's the same regardless of where you go. If the girl is prettier than another she has the right to work at Globe and earn $150/30 min instead of $100 at another club or $50 from another.
No, it's not normal for a rich buyer to pay more for the same good or service, where did you receive your education?
While I'm a free market capitalist, setting a price at the club for the girls is not anti-market or socialist.
If the girls had no options to work at other clubs, and all the clubs set the same price, which they didn't, then there would be (some) anti-market practices and certainly not socialist type rules. Under a socialist type system the club would have taken pay from girls who worked and then redistributed it to other girls that didn't work as much! Or charged one punter more for the same service and then redistributed some of that payment to another man to subsidize his service.
But that's the farthest from the truth, the girls were paid by the men directly and worked at many clubs that charged less and lots of clubs that charged more! That still applies today to clubs around Frankfurt that want $100 and many in NRW that still charge $50.
Some examples: Artemis was $60/30 min, lots of clubs in NRW were $30-40/30 min and clubs in Zurich like Globe charged almost $100/30 min.
Furthermore, setting a standard rate of $50 is fair market competition, not anti-market practices as men will shop around for the cheapest prices, in many cases, but not all. This would be like buying a BMW at different dealerships. All the dealerships are competing for your business and you'll eventually buy from the dealer that has the best price! Or buying a Macbook at the store that has the best deal. Your buying sex as a service and it's the same regardless of where you go. If the girl is prettier than another she has the right to work at Globe and earn $150/30 min instead of $100 at another club or $50 from another.Some think expensive mean quality, so they feel better paying expensive, when at Sharks now and Globe since a while, You pay more expensive for lower quality for girls, when again today I paid 150/60 for real GFE with a woman look who wanted to please me to make me return and choose her as number 1 like til June when everybody at GG told: You only go with Valeria. Same like new Audi now which are expensive but shit with Asian electronics, so I preferred to buy the original S5 with V8 from 2008 , but not enough for my standard for quality, so I improved a lot with race techniques and programmed for french E85 to save planet, when Audi make shit to fight vs pollution, but they would not be able to do, when I drove more in less than 1 year than owners before me in 14 years. Each one own standard for quality.
Wow, if we only had a floorplan, we'd have a nice map.I tried to upload a map, but it was deleted by admin. So I write text. This is the latest version.
TOP QUALITY GIRLS* (Optics, not sex skill, judged by multiple people).
Katalea / Catalea (Sitting at bar, the opposite end from entrance, near Alina / Sabrina / Lora, one of the most popular post-COVID girls).
Kitty (RO, early 20's, white skin / big lip, near center of shark, L-shape couch facing the bar, between the bar and fish tank, near Vanessa, less popular in 2023, available most of the times).
Maria (Real Ukrainian, early 20's, location not clear but probably near the bar).
Above-Average Girls.
Alina / Sabrina (RO, 30+, left side of stairs to jacuzzi, near TV screen);.
Bibi (near the pole dance stage which is on the right side of the bar, near the front stairs, looking from the entrance);.
Brenda (between the restaurant and the bar, Left side of the bar, looking from the entrance);.
Camilla (near the pole dance stage which is on the right side of the bar, near the front stairs, looking from the entrance).
Cami (Kami) and Sirin (back of the bar looking from the entrance, near Katalea, often playing poker table, near TV display and back stairs).
Lora (RO, left side of stairs to jacuzzi, near TV screen, around 20, petite, poor English).
Kloe (near stairs);.
Maxima (FR) unknown. Works only short term on August);.
Roxy ("Miss Sharks 2022" by Siri, couch under Fish tank);.
Sofi or Sophie (DE, 30+, unknown location);.
Vanessa, Mara (same location as Kitty);.
Other girls.
Lara (35-40, German, most slim among MILF, blonde / blue eyes, huge skeleton tattoo on back, sitting at bar near the entrance "MILF" section).
Melanie / Emma (late 20's, Ro, at bar near the entrance, Asian hunters, Melanie with eyeglasses, Emma blonde).
Zaira or Xaira (early 20's, peptite white skin type, not so friendly, Sitting at bar near Katalea).
Sophia / Sofia (sitting at bar near Zaira / Victoria, Macedonian, blonde / blue eye, late 20's).
Victoria (sitting next to Zaira / Sofia, blonde, Czech).
Adriana / Lorena / Teodora (couch under aquarium).
I tried to upload a map, but it was deleted by admin. So I write text. This is the latest version.
TOP QUALITY GIRLS* (Optics, not sex skill, judged by multiple people).
Katalea / Catalea (Sitting at bar, the opposite end from entrance, near Alina / Sabrina / Lora, one of the most popular post-COVID girls).
Kitty (RO, early 20's, white skin / big lip, near center of shark, L-shape couch facing the bar, between the bar and fish tank, near Vanessa, less popular in 2023, available most of the times).
Maria (Real Ukrainian, early 20's, location not clear but probably near the bar).
Above-Average Girls.
Alina / Sabrina (RO, 30+, left side of stairs to jacuzzi, near TV screen);.
Bibi (near the pole dance stage which is on the right side of the bar, near the front stairs, looking from the entrance);.Roxi was elected Miss Sharks 2022 by other forum, not by me when I was never with her since I see her before covid. When you see election, seem really not many rank Kity or Bibi as topgirls, when only a look with not much elegance don't worth 200/60 for others than Asian tourists.
Does anybody know if Bibi is still in Sharks or did she already leave for Christmas holidays?
I had very nice rooms with her, although licking and kissing is not possible. But she is really sweet.
Some think expensive mean quality, so they feel better paying expensive, when at Sharks now and Globe since a while, You pay more expensive for lower quality for girls.....There are destinations in which can be found girls who are as good physically as FKK girls and in some cases better. That being said from my experience the German FKKs have the greatest percentage of hot girls compared to other places. However, I think FKKs have priced themselves beyond the realm of reasonable expenditure. I can find girls as hot as FKK girls in Mexico, Colombia and Brazil. For me ethnicity has nothing to do with beauty. If a girl has a pretty face and a shapely, fit and clean body she is hot in my book whatever her ethnicity. In that regard I will choose cheaper destinations in Latin America over Germany.
Does anybody know if Bibi is still in Sharks or did she already leave for Christmas holidays?
I had very nice rooms with her, although licking and kissing is not possible. But she is really sweet.Did DATY her on my 150 € I only paid for her low level for around 70 mn trying to get something on woman level from her. Impressive growing pointing hardening nipples for her body reaction was the only interesting, more impressive than hardening Katalea nipples. Angel smile and superb naturals, but not enough to repeat so low level. Even Kity is higher level.
There are destinations in which can be found girls who are as good physically as FKK girls and in some cases better. That being said from my experience the German FKKs have the greatest percentage of hot girls compared to other places. However, I think FKKs have priced themselves beyond the realm of reasonable expenditure. I can find girls as hot as FKK girls in Mexico, Colombia and Brazil. For me ethnicity has nothing to do with beauty. If a girl has a pretty face and a shapely, fit and clean body she is hot in my book whatever her ethnicity. In that regard I will choose cheaper destinations in Latin America over Germany.When Sharks is turning to fuck tourist behavior, but can still find really high level in Germany for 150 for 1 hour which is quite short for my game when I m not a rabbit. I m not into Latinas nor Black, but when I won t be anymore able to free ride I look forward for my Christmas nor to climb legends and I look forward Gavia and Zoncolan on 2024 , then I wish Putin will be over and will still be powerful to go to practice my Russian in cold Irkousk and Ekaterinburg where fire is under ice when You know a bit these prettiest women in the world. I m pretty sure if no Putin and I could go, I would easily manage for 1000 for 1 month with a Siberian beauty, in deep places where only speaking Russian, when Russians are even worst than French for english. Maybe one day I will return to land of beauties and they are very good for my GFE, really kissing like in love when You started their inside fire. Not same than professionnals in Dubaï , when we lost them since Amour Russe, Charme Russe, Sexy Lady 4 U, YDG, Star escorts, Russian girls 4 me and Aphrodite before, in Paris where I got so many, being their first ever client for some.
I tried to upload a map, but it was deleted by admin. So I write text. This is the latest version.
20, petite, poor English)
Maxima (FR) unknown. Works only short term on August);.
While to my knowledge she doesn't sit somewhere in particular, when not doing the rounds she stands at the top of the stairs looking down.
I've never heard someone in the USA Refer to themselves as Chinese American. That sounds like someone outside the USA.Well being an American myself, I'm here to tell you that there's absolutely nothing unusual or "suspect" about that at all. Except for Native Americans, we're all considered to have come here from somewhere else. So, we're always within our own country describing ourselves as Chinese-American, Irish-American, Italian-American, African-American, Jewish-American, etc. That's a standard, regular part of American life, and a very "American way" to describe oneself. And when I say "American", I refer specifically to people from the United States. That said, when we travel abroad or present ourselves to the broader world, we normally just say we are "American". In my extensive travels abroad, I've found that so many people have false impressions and misunderstandings about American life and people, and who and what we are, undoubtedly some of that being caused by Americans themselves. But for you to say, "That sounds like someone outside the USA. ", demonstrates that you don't understand, for to an American that sounds exactly like something an American would say about themselves. Just setting the record straight.
Each time these girls said what they said (one a gypsy looking Bulgarian and one a blonde Moldovan), they actually had approached me and wanted to fuck, so it was clear they weren't trying to be offensive. But they were in fact being very offensive per my American culture.It's been written about at almost every FKK club. If you see a group of Asians in a FKK the girls will go up to them and be aggressive. 1) they can usually get someone in a group to say yes-often via group encouragement and 2) and reviewers have quoted being charged higher prices.
Like you said, maybe their tone or words appear offensive but the sales technique works. And not just Sharks. There's a similar story on so many FKK forums on this board if you look back far enough. If you don't like it. Move on to the next girl or don't come back. Or use "TheCane" technique as he describes in his post.
It seems there is no Christmas party until December 24-26. Whoever has time to go there during the period.
Sharks party used to hold at 2nd weekend in December before Covid.
It seems there is no Christmas party until December 24-26. Whoever has time to go there during the period.
Sharks party used to hold at 2nd weekend in December before Covid.Some party with prosecco on last months, I was at 2 and had 0 room. Should be gay party with be team for Sylvester, for those looking for quality with topgirls without upselling. I should go for else. Since few months, at Sharks and Oase, staff made events. They try, but not helped by their girls for Sharks. After one here, better to be aware about long time girls at the bar on entry side, except maybe Melani and Lexi. All not tourist know, or only if You want to pay expensive to be deeply fucked in ass with no lube.
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Thanks!
Some think expensive mean quality, so they feel better paying expensive,So you mean cheap mean quality? No one like to be surcharged, but low price usually means low quality as natural law.
These days, girls hike prices (Under the club's implicit approval), even local Germans have no way to prevent.
Brenda starts to quote 200/60 as basic, some her long term customers told me that. Adriana definitely changes 100/30 200/60 because her little son needs more money to support.
Melanie and Emma charged only 50/30 with excellent service during their prime time (2015-2016), but now ask 200/60 to her long term customers. Some Taiwanese said Emma quotes 250/60 with GFE because she could speak Taiwanese language now. They both are very popular among Taiwanese.
Melanie was Sirioja " Snow White" before.
Ok thanks. Maybe I'll just go, maybe I'll skip it. I guess I'll see how bored I get on that day. At least I'll get a 40EUR lunch LOL.Just reporting back. I ended up going (since my hotel wouldn't let me check in). I arrived around 1:30 pm Monday and there were maybe 15 girls and 15 guys. I left around 3:30, and I think it was closer to 20-25 girls. I'd say maybe 25% were girls I'd never do a session with. Maybe 25% were exceptionally attractive (to me).
It's been a few years. Other thank the locker area and maybe the bar, I didn't recognize much. Last time I went was in the summer so I mainly remember outside. Food was much worse than I remember. Basically breakfast type food. I guess I was there too early, though nothing changed even when I left.
I don't recall all the names of girls I spoke to but none where any of the "top girls" mentioned here. Note were any of the bad ones that I read about either (at least that I could recall. Many girls sat at the bar but I mainly only talked to girls who came to me. I figure if they are too lazy to walk to me, then they may be lazy in other areas. I talked to Joanna, Victoria, Esther, Renata, others I can't remember. I probably would have seen Joanna but she didn't do CIM. I always want the option for CIM since I often have issues with their uncomfortable condoms.
I ended up having a session with Victoria. She quoted 100/30. I ended up paying 150 to include CIM. She took me to the mirror room so that was pretty hot. I thought she was attractive enough. She's looked near 30 so not one of those super young tight types but I thought she had a good body. I liked her boobs. She did pretty much the absolute minimum to count as "GFE". Some kissing with tongue. She gave a decent BBBJ, enough to get me going really quick. However, in the middle she asked if I wanted balls licked and wanted to charge extra for that on top of the CIM charge. That's a big turn off. I usually ask prior but I forgot. I declined. She had no issues with me going pretty hard with doggie. When she was on top, she knew how to move and had me on the edge the whole time. I had the feeling I'd have to pay the extra 50 EUR either way because of the "GFE" so I opted for CIM. It feels better than the condom anyways. She took everything in didn't just stop like most girls. Overall, I had a good experience with her.
Next time I need to plan a better day and have more time there. I just rarely go to Frankfurt other than a quick layover.
Note, I bought the day ticket using the RMV app. I had to specify my route. I noticed on the ticket, the "base area" would be different but the price level was the same. Since no one checked my ticket, I have no idea if it was really valid. Still very easy to take the train and bus to / from.
Also, note, I am Asian and had no issues there. Girls were not aggressive at all. Most were just sitting around, some on their phones.
Escape Artist
12-13-23, 17:14
There are destinations in which can be found girls who are as good physically as FKK girls and in some cases better. That being said from my experience the German FKKs have the greatest percentage of hot girls compared to other places. However, I think FKKs have priced themselves beyond the realm of reasonable expenditure. I can find girls as hot as FKK girls in Mexico, Colombia and Brazil. For me ethnicity has nothing to do with beauty. If a girl has a pretty face and a shapely, fit and clean body she is hot in my book whatever her ethnicity. In that regard I will choose cheaper destinations in Latin America over Germany.I think maybe you are only considering specifically Hessen, Germany and maybe particularly Sharks. But even including Sharks / Hessen, 150 per hour is still the higher end of the asking prices in all of Germany. 100 h per hour is still available in many areas in Germany. Even at the smaller clubs in Hessen, 50/ half and 100/ HR is still around. Austrian prices have not skyrocketed like Hessen so they've been inflation appropriate I think. My opinion is that girls in Hessen big clubs have been trying to push the price up for quite some time but lots of girls were always available at Sharks up until covid. When decent prices at Sharks finally succumbed, then the Hessen scene really reached the runaway tipping point.
Brazil rates have been floating around 100 per session / hour at the termas right? Mexican clubs are roughly the same but comparable optics make up like maybe 10% of all the girls where most others are short, round potatoes. You can find girls less than that in Colombia but then you have to deal with logistics of getting back to your own hotel room which may cost taxi and hotel guest fee. Factor those in and you'll probably come out the same if not more. Southeast Asia, 100 usd is more and more common right? Same applies regarding logistics of hotel and taxi. Is the "Long time" wife experience for 100 USD in Thailand even a thing anymore?
Side note:
For the western Asian dudes who have "racist" concerns at places like Sharks, don't. The most you'll encounter is the kind of talk you heard from kids in grade school, not actual racism. You'll see more from internet forum dudes than from girls and desk staff at clubs. For example, when a girl tries to get my attention by saying "Ni Hao" or "Konnichiwa," I just wave and say "Buna!" (Hi in Romanian) then all is well.
Just reporting back. I ended up going (since my hotel wouldn't let me check in). I arrived around 1:30 pm Monday and there were maybe 15 girls and 15 guys. I left around 3:30, and I think it was closer to 20-25 girls. I'd say maybe 25% were girls I'd never do a session with. Maybe 25% were exceptionally attractive (to me).
It's been a few years. Other thank the locker area and maybe the bar, I didn't recognize much. Last time I went was in the summer so I mainly remember outside. Food was much worse than I remember. Basically breakfast type food. I guess I was there too early, though nothing changed even when I left.
I don't recall all the names of girls I spoke to but none where any of the "top girls" mentioned here. Note were any of the bad ones that I read about either (at least that I could recall. Many girls sat at the bar but I mainly only talked to girls who came to me. I figure if they are too lazy to walk to me, then they may be lazy in other areas. I talked to Joanna, Victoria, Esther, Renata, others I can't remember. I probably would have seen Joanna but she didn't do CIM. I always want the option for CIM since I often have issues with their uncomfortable condoms..I don't know if Renata was your type or not but if you do decide to visit again and she is there you won't go wrong picking her. She has a compact body with a bit of a hard face but the service she gives is excellent and she is very versatile and open to numerous requests. I've done a few wild things with her and she doesn't charge unreasonable rates.
So you mean cheap mean quality? No one like to be surcharged, but low price usually means low quality as natural law.
These days, girls hike prices (Under the club's implicit approval), even local Germans have no way to prevent.
Brenda starts to quote 200/60 as basic, some her long term customers told me that. Adriana definitely changes 100/30 200/60 because her little son needs more money to support.
Melanie and Emma charged only 50/30 with excellent service during their prime time (2015-2016), but now ask 200/60 to her long term customers. Some Taiwanese said Emma quotes 250/60 with GFE because she could speak Taiwanese language now. They both are very popular among Taiwanese.
Melanie was Sirioja " Snow White" before.Snow white on end of 2015 when she arrived from Finca, no glasses at this time and very different now, when I returned on next week end from Paris for her. When you pay 200/60 for so average level for your topgirls, when I m a foreigner but not a Asian tourist, I prefer to pay 150/60 or less for far higher quality. Each one own standard for quality and value for money.
TankTank123
12-14-23, 02:18
I talked to Joanna, Victoria, Esther, Renata, others I can't remember. I probably would have seen Joanna but she didn't do CIM. I always want the option for CIM since I often have issues with their uncomfortable condoms.Thank you for your report.
Pity that you require CIM, because Joanna is to me a failsafe bet. I have been with her many times. I did not mention her to you as I would not consider her a 'star' although she has a nice tight body and pretty face.
I think maybe you are only considering specifically Hessen, Germany and maybe particularly Sharks. But even including Sharks / Hessen, 150 per hour is still the higher end of the asking prices in all of Germany. 100 h per hour is still available in many areas in Germany. Even at the smaller clubs in Hessen, 50/ half and 100/ HR is still around. Austrian prices have not skyrocketed like Hessen so they've been inflation appropriate I think. My opinion is that girls in Hessen big clubs have been trying to push the price up for quite some time but lots of girls were always available at Sharks up until covid. When decent prices at Sharks finally succumbed, then the Hessen scene really reached the runaway tipping point.
Brazil rates have been floating around 100 per session / hour at the termas right? Mexican clubs are roughly the same but comparable optics make up like maybe 10% of all the girls where most others are short, round potatoes. You can find girls less than that in Colombia but then you have to deal with logistics of getting back to your own hotel room which may cost taxi and hotel guest fee. Factor those in and you'll probably come out the same if not more. Southeast Asia, 100 usd is more and more common right? Same applies regarding logistics of hotel and taxi. Is the "Long time" wife experience for 100 USD in Thailand even a thing anymore?
Side note:
For the western Asian dudes who have "racist" concerns at places like Sharks, don't. The most you'll encounter is the kind of talk you heard from kids in grade school, not actual racism. You'll see more from internet forum dudes than from girls and desk staff at clubs. For example, when a girl tries to get my attention by saying "Ni Hao" or "Konnichiwa," I just wave and say "Buna!" (Hi in Romanian) then all is well.Same than many think only Globe in Switzerland, many tourist in mind seem to think only Sharks in Germany, when girls ask more expensive for lower quality than on 2021 and I laugh a bit when nobody never told about my 2 Germans since October 2022 , I paid 150/60 and 200/85 when they were my best quality at Sharks since 2022 . For girls, Oase with prettier is better value for money for me and of course far higher quality and value for money in NRW if You are able not to be only a tourist and even if You are foreigner not speaking German, when I refuse to pay expensive for not attractive nor able to behave like a woman in bed. Yes, some Germans now pay really inflated rates like 150/30 or 250/60 or even more for just little Romanians, when I don t pay for little Romanians look or behavior. I miss a elegant Romanian woman type like I got many before, like Hessen superstar Katalina, or Ilka, or Florentina, at Sharks, when was never best place for this profile I look for.
I think maybe you are only considering specifically Hessen, Germany and maybe particularly Sharks. But even including Sharks / Hessen, 150 per hour is still the higher end of the asking prices in all of Germany. 100 h per hour is still available in many areas in Germany. Even at the smaller clubs in Hessen, 50/ half and 100/ HR is still around. Austrian prices have not skyrocketed like Hessen so they've been inflation appropriate I think. My opinion is that girls in Hessen big clubs have been trying to push the price up for quite some time but lots of girls were always available at Sharks up until covid. When decent prices at Sharks finally succumbed, then the Hessen scene really reached the runaway tipping point.
Brazil rates have been floating around 100 per session / hour at the termas right? Mexican clubs are roughly the same but comparable optics make up like maybe 10% of all the girls where most others are short, round potatoes. You can find girls less than that in Colombia but then you have to deal with logistics of getting back to your own hotel room which may cost taxi and hotel guest fee. Factor those in and you'll probably come out the same if not more. Southeast Asia, 100 usd is more and more common right? Same applies regarding logistics of hotel and taxi. Is the "Long time" wife experience for 100 USD in Thailand even a thing anymore?.......Apart from the girls' fees the cost of everything else is cheaper in Latin America and Asia and that includes taxis, food and hotel accommodation. Safety concerns in Latin America is an issue and I do take your point about the possibility of more reasonable pricing outside of Hessen. I will not give up 100% on a future Germany visit but if it does occur I will certainly venture outside of Hessen for 'entertainment'.
Apart from the girls' fees the cost of everything else is cheaper in Latin America and Asia and that includes taxis, food and hotel accommodation. Safety concerns in Latin America is an issue and I do take your point about the possibility of more reasonable pricing outside of Hessen. I will not give up 100% on a future Germany visit but if it does occur I will certainly venture outside of Hessen for 'entertainment'.Not whole Hessen where some bettter values than many Sharks girls.
On my last visits, December and August, I meet a luna at sharks.
But I can't find anything about her.
Anyone knows her? Price service etc.
Romania girl, alittle brown maybe 1,60 m without highheels.
On my last visits, December and August, I meet a luna at sharks.
But I can't find anything about her.
Anyone knows her? Price service etc.
Romania girl, alittle brown maybe 1,60 m without highheels.There is a Luna at Sharks since around May, light brown hair, I would say taller than 1,60 bare feet, but I found her ass is not firm enough, same like Teodora, not sexy ass when they walk. Kity has a bit flat, not round enough. Round firm ass without cellulite with good waist ratio is top exciting, dreaming of fucking in doggy like Kate, when I love to fuck and to see girls eyes when I enter, some opening mouth. Funny.
I don't know if Renata was your type or not but if you do decide to visit again and she is there you won't go wrong picking her. She has a compact body with a bit of a hard face but the service she gives is excellent and she is very versatile and open to numerous requests. I've done a few wild things with her and she doesn't charge unreasonable rates.If my memory was correct, I did have a good feeling about here. If I recall she looked a little "older" or like you say a "hard face" so that was a bit of a turn off. Regardless, when I talked to her, I had just finished with victoria.
Thank you for your report.
Pity that you require CIM, because Joanna is to me a failsafe bet. I have been with her many times. I did not mention her to you as I would not consider her a 'star' although she has a nice tight body and pretty face.Unless I've seen the girl before, or even if I have, I can't be 100% sure of how good her performance will be and if it will be enough to get me to finish. I am getting older so it's not as easy anymore.
BBBJ nearly always can get me to finish but without CIM, it's a bit disappointing. The other thing is that most girls bundle in "DFK" or "GFE" with CIM. That usually helps to get be off vs someone that's cold and just very business-like in the session. I have met girls where I initially asked for CIM, and provided a "GFE" session and was enough to have me finish without CIM then NOT charge me the extra 50 at the end. However this is alot more rare these days.
As for Joanna, I noticed her (and victoria next to her) immediately and made eye contact as I walked past. I agree, better body and face than Victoria. After sitting down, she was actually the first girl to come over to me. When I turned down Joanna, she must have told Victoria since she ran over to me about a minute later. Based on how the rest of the room was looking at the time, I figured she was my best bet. There were a few better looking girls at the bar, but I seem to recall not having good luck getting girls from the bar (from any FKK) for some reason.
Melanie and Emma charged only 50/30 with excellent service during their prime time (2015-2016), but now ask 200/60 to her long term customers. Some Taiwanese said Emma quotes 250/60 with GFE because she could speak Taiwanese language now. They both are very popular among Taiwanese.
Is this the Emma that looks a little like Cara Delevingne? She pudged out after the pandemic but I guess she's in better shape now?
If it's the girl I'm thinking of, she was popular with the Asians. She's gone even deeper into servicing Asians with the Taiwanese language? That's an odd language to choose.
I didn't know so many of the Asian mongers came from Taiwan. I would think Japanese, Chinese or Korean would work better.
UnkSoldier
12-15-23, 17:22
Apart from the girls' fees the cost of everything else is cheaper in Latin America and Asia and that includes taxis, food and hotel accommodation. Safety concerns in Latin America is an issue and I do take your point about the possibility of more reasonable pricing outside of Hessen. I will not give up 100% on a future Germany visit but if it does occur I will certainly venture outside of Hessen for 'entertainment'.Absolutely. Its still availabe in pattaya for sure. The women there are trying to push the prices up as well but I for under 100 american dollars, February this year I had a girl stay with me for almost a few weeks. Was more like $75 dollars. Young 27 year old. Not the hottest, but great body and great personality and did not ask for much of anything which was shocking. At the end I did spend 300 american on a phone for her just as a tip because the experience was so good. I mean when I took her to the khoa lan (probably spelled wrong) we had sex in the ocean no condom and in from of others because I just don't give a shit. Haha. She was hesitant at first but she obliged. Sorry way off the subject for this room.
Is this the Emma that looks a little like Cara Delevingne? She pudged out after the pandemic but I guess she's in better shape now?
If it's the girl I'm thinking of, she was popular with the Asians. She's gone even deeper into servicing Asians with the Taiwanese language? That's an odd language to choose.
I didn't know so many of the Asian mongers came from Taiwan. I would think Japanese, Chinese or Korean would work better.Taiwan make so bad quality electronics for all our products. China with their government produce shit products.
SmallWeinerGuy
12-16-23, 02:14
Emma is a blonde who sits at the bar with Melanie. I wouldn't say she looks like cara delavigne at all other than that theyre both white chicks.
Other than being a known Asian hunter, emma is also a scam artist who will agree to a price 150/30 CIM in the bar and then in the room will start jacking up the prices "it's 200 now to cum in my mouth" "it's 250 now" I paid because I don't want to get into a shouting match and get security involved but that's exactly the hesitation that she preys upon. With some distance from the event I wish I had just left the room as soon as she demanded more money, hopefully you guys can learn from my mistake.
Absolutely. Its still availabe in pattaya for sure. The women there are trying to push the prices up as well but I for under 100 american dollars, February this year I had a girl stay with me for almost a few weeks. Was more like $75 dollars. Young 27 year old. Not the hottest, but great body and great personality and did not ask for much of anything which was shocking. At the end I did spend 300 american on a phone for her just as a tip because the experience was so good. I mean when I took her to the khoa lan (probably spelled wrong) we had sex in the ocean no condom and in from of others because I just don't give a shit. Haha. She was hesitant at first but she obliged. Sorry way off the subject for this room.Seem funny in Pattaya, if the girl likes You, You can have her for around 100 for the night, if she doesn t like what You are, like too fat, You will have to pay 100 for 1 hour. 100 for the night is good deal, but I won t go for thaï looks. Even I don t find many attractive, but I prefer few looks in FKK and when I get great quality for behavior and image, I can pay 150/60 or 200/90 when I like to take my time to enjoy woman types, meaning looking and behaving close to normal women, not straight zimmer, nor vulgar for look or words or manners and able like a real woman in bed, not like a little girl and for pussy. I still find good value and for money in Germany. Sharks casting is not one of best values since Summer.
Emma is a blonde who sits at the bar with Melanie. I wouldn't say she looks like cara delavigne at all other than that theyre both white chicks.
Other than being a known Asian hunter, emma is also a scam artist who will agree to a price 150/30 CIM in the bar and then in the room will start jacking up the prices "it's 200 now to cum in my mouth" "it's 250 now" I paid because I don't want to get into a shouting match and get security involved but that's exactly the hesitation that she preys upon. With some distance from the event I wish I had just left the room as soon as she demanded more money, hopefully you guys can learn from my mistake.When You make mistake to go with such behavior, my advice is: as soon she tries to fuck You, leave the room immediatly and don t pay anything and try next. There are some great behavior at Sharks like Sena, Tara, I was told Carol for those who want to play porn. Alina and Sabrina also seem to be. Some girls are really to avoid on entry side.
Emma is a blonde who sits at the bar with Melanie. I wouldn't say she looks like cara delavigne at all other than that theyre both white chicks.
Other than being a known Asian hunter, emma is also a scam artist who will agree to a price 150/30 CIM in the bar and then in the room will start jacking up the prices "it's 200 now to cum in my mouth" "it's 250 now" I paid because I don't want to get into a shouting match and get security involved but that's exactly the hesitation that she preys upon. With some distance from the event I wish I had just left the room as soon as she demanded more money, hopefully you guys can learn from my mistake.I think this is the same girl who scammed me as well, Sharks is becoming more of a tourist trap full of scammers. Even if you involve management, they are going to back fire at you and make you feel more bad.
Escape Artist
12-16-23, 14:43
Is this the Emma that looks a little like Cara Delevingne? She pudged out after the pandemic but I guess she's in better shape now?
If it's the girl I'm thinking of, she was popular with the Asians. She's gone even deeper into servicing Asians with the Taiwanese language? That's an odd language to choose.
I didn't know so many of the Asian mongers came from Taiwan. I would think Japanese, Chinese or Korean would work better.I'm pretty sure the poster should have written Mandarin Chinese as that's the main language of Taiwan. Doubtful that she would have learned the aboriginal type languages spoken there.
She probably had a big spender regular and learned some phrases. Doubtful she learned all of Mandarin without immersion over there. Chinese and southeast Asian languages are so hard to learn without immersion because they are so tonal and you can learn to read and write but not know to listen or speak anything correctly.
Emma is a blonde who sits at the bar with Melanie. I wouldn't say she looks like cara delavigne at all other than that theyre both white chicks.
Other than being a known Asian hunter, emma is also a scam artist who will agree to a price 150/30 CIM in the bar and then in the room will start jacking up the prices "it's 200 now to cum in my mouth" "it's 250 now" I paid because I don't want to get into a shouting match and get security involved but that's exactly the hesitation that she preys upon. With some distance from the event I wish I had just left the room as soon as she demanded more money, hopefully you guys can learn from my mistake.
The girl I'm thinking of was part of the Romanian crew with Madalena (another known Asian hunter, at least before she fixed her funky tooth that appeals to Japanese guys. Is she still around?) and Ellie (dark haired, a little older and less stunning).
The Emma I'm thinking about has blonde and dark red hair, but often gets the comparison because she has those dark eyebrows and a bit of resting b***h face. Pretty smart and personable, kind of a droll sense of humor, never got the sharky vibe from her.
They used to camp out on the right side of the bar near the front and entrance rather than the back. All small girlish bodies. Sounds like she may be a different girl.
When You make mistake to go with such behavior, my advice is: as soon she tries to fuck You, leave the room immediatly and don t pay anything and try next. ......Its not so easy. She will jack up the price after you have started the session not necessarily by fucking her but maybe by kissing her breasts or her starting to suck your dick and then say its not 150/30 but 200 or 250/30. If you end the session as soon as she says that she will still want to be paid and management will not side with you.
Prelude141
12-16-23, 16:09
Its not so easy. She will jack up the price after you have started the session not necessarily by fucking her but maybe by kissing her breasts or her starting to suck your dick and then say its not 150/30 but 200 or 250/30. If you end the session as soon as she says that she will still want to be paid and management will not side with you.I disagree here. If prices have not been mentioned before, you are entitled to not pay. It did happen to me several times and I refused and that was fine.
I also posted a few weeks ago that I had a girl who immediately bump up the prices as soon as I entered the room. I immediately left, she tried to block the door but I manage to get out. I did not pay anything. So indeed best advice is to leave the room if nothing has started.
Get yourself some balls guys because it's sad to read how weak some of you have become.
Its not so easy. She will jack up the price after you have started the session not necessarily by fucking her but maybe by kissing her breasts or her starting to suck your dick and then say its not 150/30 but 200 or 250/30. If you end the session as soon as she says that she will still want to be paid and management will not side with you.If we started kissing and I felt up her tits and ass, then OK I would pay her 50 just to keep the peace. If she sucked my dick bare then 100 total. But other than that, I'm not paying her a damn cent more if we got in there and I cut the session really short (well within the first 30 minutes) because of her unethical bullshit. I'm walking out of there. And if management doesn't like it, then I'm leaving the club too. Now, lucky for me I have never had to cross this kind of Rubicon. I've written before, that before going to the room, I'm the kind of monger who always makes it perfectly clear what services I want, and what I'm willing to pay. I get full agreement beforehand, and luckily for me this has never failed at an FKK. I get mutual understanding and agreement from the girl, and nobody has ever tried to renege.
But if they did, I would have no qualms about walking out (and did so on a Mexican girl in Tijuana once and paid nothing with no club consequences). To prevent problems, I always encourage guys to clearly ask so that they may undoubtedly receive. Engage in a little friendly negotiation. It doesn't have to be hard bargaining. But don't sit there and try to act like you're picking somebody up at a "normal" club. You're not. So get the deal done before you go to the room. And as soon as she starts to renege on a major "clause"? End the session and leave immediately. You might still have to pay something for any time and services rendered, but I'm sure if enough guys did this to the scammers eventually the club will understand exactly what they're doing and get rid of them. The clubs do want happy, paying customers without any of the drama.
Its not so easy. She will jack up the price after you have started the session not necessarily by fucking her but maybe by kissing her breasts or her starting to suck your dick and then say its not 150/30 but 200 or 250/30. If you end the session as soon as she says that she will still want to be paid and management will not side with you.The way you handle a scammer is to hang around and warn anyone she tries to pick up. When you cost her a few clients, she will get the message clearly. The risk is her pump my beat you up when you leave.
Its not so easy. She will jack up the price after you have started the session not necessarily by fucking her but maybe by kissing her breasts or her starting to suck your dick and then say its not 150/30 but 200 or 250/30. If you end the session as soon as she says that she will still want to be paid and management will not side with you.Then, if You started to touch her, as soon she tries to fuck You upselling, should happen before 30 mn, then stop and leave, giving her only 50 for less than 30 disappointing minutes and nobody can ask You to pay more expensive for such short time shit. When girls think we are led by between our legs, the girl should be so surprised You leave the bed and the room and she has to run after You downstairs, she should go straight in lockers to hide with her 50 . Better to waste only 50 than more expensive for shit. On a bad day at Sharks, when no wow, I mistook for my choice for Kloe even I find her attractive for look. As usual, rather than playing grocery which kill magic for my desire, no question, let s go and discover for 100/30 , but on bed I felt she is too professionnal to make magic for me, so I told her it didn t work for me, even it was my first room of day after many hours since I arrived. She proposed me to do more, but magic had gone, I apologized and she was very honest with me, not trying to argue. Too professionnal for my GFE which need no grocery and no money talk, but very honest, even she was not busy, like often, even one of the most attractive for look. I hate to have to beg, I prefer to stay full balls, when my brain control everything. As say girls: You control everything. These girls are not used to guys like me.
The girl I'm thinking of was part of the Romanian crew with Madalena (another known Asian hunter, at least before she fixed her funky tooth that appeals to Japanese guys. Is she still around?) and Ellie (dark haired, a little older and less stunning).
The Emma I'm thinking about has blonde and dark red hair, but often gets the comparison because she has those dark eyebrows and a bit of resting b***h face. Pretty smart and personable, kind of a droll sense of humor, never got the sharky vibe from her.
They used to camp out on the right side of the bar near the front and entrance rather than the back. All small girlish bodies. Sounds like she may be a different girl.If You mean long time Madalina with beautiful eyes sitting on stairs side of bar, I saw her on my last visits after Summer. Since long time we know and when she knows for me and Megan, I always found her friendly. For other friendly, Sena, Sabrina and Alina with who we joke about her business.
Amazing to read on German lustscout, many Sharks girls ask 100 per 30 for basic, FK if they are really able for extra, BBBJ for extra, so can reach 200/30 or 300/60 . These girls are really crazy, they should look in mirror, when German escorts are much less expensive and much better values in other clubs. Some are still available for 150 for 1 very full hour and even a bit extended at Sharks.
Escape Artist
12-16-23, 21:48
I think this is the same girl who scammed me as well, Sharks is becoming more of a tourist trap full of scammers. Even if you involve management, they are going to back fire at you and make you feel more bad.I accepted it when girls took 150/ hour with good service but now 200/ HR is such a prevalent asking rate. At this point, I just check in once a trip to see the best optics but it's not a great place to find a wow room with a higher tier girl for a fair rate. At this age on a week long or 2 week trip, a girl who is distant in the room will make me go soft so quick. I'll surely stop coming when my regulars are all gone.
I've only seen maybe 15 girls total in FKKs in my life so I guess my experience is limited, but the times where a girl has upcharged, she always gives a warning. Outside the room, I first list the main things I want (ie, bbj, CIM, DFK, "sex" It can be hard to list everything one might upcharge for. Then I agree on the TOTAL cost for the session.
In the room, maybe I lick her nipples or start using tongue, etc. This is when she will stop and say "that's extra". I'll decline and move on (or pay if I want).
I've never finished the session THEN been told that the cost is more because of something she or I did. I had a few times where it was less.
If that happened, I'd argue that she should have said something and it's too late now.
Now, these days, I pretty much can only do one session. If I do a second, I have trouble finishing. So at this point, it is pretty easy to just walk out of there. If you planned to be there all day and the first girl tried to scam you, I guess it could be more problematic or at least more of a loss if you walked out.
The way you handle a scammer is to hang around and warn anyone she tries to pick up. When you cost her a few clients, she will get the message clearly. The risk is her pump my beat you up when you leave.My advice is to be careful for this about entry side bar girls when you could have problem if they complain to staff, but I advice to avoid most of them when upselling to fuck tourists specialists. New rule at Sharks seems to be the most expensive for the lowest level, when can have some on the highest level for 150/60 with FK, DATY and BBBJ and no upselling but friendly behavior if you don't play like a tourist, even being a foreigner like me, when some Germans pay now crazy rates for just little Romanians, nothing about height but potential.
I've only seen maybe 15 girls total in FKKs in my life so I guess my experience is limited, but the times where a girl has upcharged, she always gives a warning. Outside the room, I first list the main things I want (ie, bbj, CIM, DFK, "sex" It can be hard to list everything one might upcharge for. Then I agree on the TOTAL cost for the session.
In the room, maybe I lick her nipples or start using tongue, etc. This is when she will stop and say "that's extra". I'll decline and move on (or pay if I want).
I've never finished the session THEN been told that the cost is more because of something she or I did. I had a few times where it was less.
If that happened, I'd argue that she should have said something and it's too late now.
Now, these days, I pretty much can only do one session. If I do a second, I have trouble finishing. So at this point, it is pretty easy to just walk out of there. If you planned to be there all day and the first girl tried to scam you, I guess it could be more problematic or at least more of a loss if you walked out.If the girl doesn't inform you during room, which would be really killing desire for me, then don't pay extra asked at lockers. Don't show your money to girls, don t say you are newbie and if you accept to be fucked, many girls of the club will know about you very fast, when girl who fucked you will tell you are easy, except if you made her really cum and she wants to keep your talent only for her.
I have been in sharks more than 250 x since 2012.
But after corona break, things become worse and worse!
From 2013 - 2020 I never asked a girl for her price, because I know it and always paid 100€/ h with GFE, DFK.
But now you always have to negotiate for the price before the room and often in the room or after the room.
And this is not just few girls, it does almost all girls even the ugly.
Its time to say goodbye to sharks.
Escape Artist
12-17-23, 14:05
The way you handle a scammer is to hang around and warn anyone she tries to pick up. When you cost her a few clients, she will get the message clearly. The risk is her pump my beat you up when you leave.But it will have an ill effect on the other women too. Girls know the guys who talk too much so even if you are outing a scammer, other girls will only take notice that you are one of the guys with a big mouth. Having a short emotional memory is better. A little warning to an occasional innocent monger with discretion would be benevolent, but being on a mission to call out a scammer in a business built around fantasies is probably not the best move.
I disagree here. If prices have not been mentioned before, you are entitled to not pay. It did happen to me several times and I refused and that was fine.
I also posted a few weeks ago that I had a girl who immediately bump up the prices as soon as I entered the room. I immediately left, she tried to block the door but I manage to get out. I did not pay anything. So indeed best advice is to leave the room if nothing has started.
Get yourself some balls guys because it's sad to read how weak some of you have become.Some guys only have cajones when they are anonymous on a mongering site. Do not pay when management tells you to pay and I can assure you that security will de-ball you, LOL.
Escape Artist
12-17-23, 17:17
I've only seen maybe 15 girls total in FKKs in my life so I guess my experience is limited, but the times where a girl has upcharged, she always gives a warning. Outside the room, I first list the main things I want (ie, bbj, CIM, DFK, "sex" It can be hard to list everything one might upcharge for. Then I agree on the TOTAL cost for the session.
In the room, maybe I lick her nipples or start using tongue, etc. This is when she will stop and say "that's extra". I'll decline and move on (or pay if I want).
I've never finished the session THEN been told that the cost is more because of something she or I did. I had a few times where it was less.
If that happened, I'd argue that she should have said something and it's too late now.
Now, these days, I pretty much can only do one session. If I do a second, I have trouble finishing. So at this point, it is pretty easy to just walk out of there. If you planned to be there all day and the first girl tried to scam you, I guess it could be more problematic or at least more of a loss if you walked out.Keep up the hobby and unless you are meticulous and insist on hammering all pricing details every time and you'll eventually get it every so often. I've been doing this for 15 years and a girl tried it last week. Usually it's the girl trying to see what she can get but has no intent on going to reception. I usually just give her the amount I calculate and gracefully say goodbye. Every time, the girl will be pleasant when she sees me again and several I have sessioned with again later.
I have been in sharks more than 250 x since 2012.
But after corona break, things become worse and worse!
From 2013 - 2020 I never asked a girl for her price, because I know it and always paid 100/ h with GFE, DFK.
But now you always have to negotiate for the price before the room and often in the room or after the room.
And this is not just few girls, it does almost all girls even the ugly.
Its time to say goodbye to sharks.I tend to agree. The girls have become too greedy for their own good. Fortunately, after 3 days of Sharks I was able to enjoy a Saturday at Oase and after that went with a friend to FKK Wellcum in Austria. The base price is 70/30 and plenty of girls are more than happy to receive that or 70/30 + tip. No unnecessary haggling on upselling. Lots of fresh girls willing to please. 7 girls in 3 days.
Next month my usual form of transport from Terminal Two Frankfurt airport to Sharks isn't available and I've just found out that the Airbus only now departs from Terminal one. Meaning I would have to take the free shuttle bus from T1 to T2 but unfortunately I will be limited for time.
So does anyone know how much a taxi would cost from T2 to Sharks?
I could go by train but again it will delay my limited time available.
If the cost is too much I might give Palace a try for the first time.
BackpackBrian
12-18-23, 01:10
I tend to agree. The girls have become too greedy for their own good. Fortunately, after 3 days of Sharks I was able to enjoy a Saturday at Oase and after that went with a friend to FKK Wellcum in Austria. The base price is 70/30 and plenty of girls are more than happy to receive that or 70/30 + tip. No unnecessary haggling on upselling. Lots of fresh girls willing to please. 7 girls in 3 days.I've been wanting to go to Wellcum for many years, but it seems a little out of the way if I'm in the Frankfurt area.
Question 1 - Is the club full nude (FKK) or do the girls wear bikini's and lingerie when they walk around?
Question 2 - Does the 70 Euro include BBBJ or is it covered?
I'll surely stop coming when my regulars are all gone.I will not quit this hobby only if I have income to support. For years' visits, my once regulars or favorite List became longer and longer. (See below). And each year I add new fresh girls into my happy list, so it is almost impossible that they are all gone.
at Sharks top notch girls were NOT Gypsy before pandemic. Girls in Sharks elite list would include Dina, Megan, Janine, Vivien, Nicolette, Sandra, Helli, Evita, Helen, Lily, Corina, Cosmina, Mandy, Amilia, Jennifer, Anna, Denise, Anastasia, Melody, Melissa, Coco, Scarlette, Flavia, Ruby, Jazz, Mara, Betty, Adriana, Tamara, Zynap, Roxy, Julia, teodora and more, etc. Of course, I have distanced many of my former favorite due to the hiking price. I usually spent 500-800 each day visit before covid. Under the old time 100/60 rate I could offer 5-8 one-hour-session to my regulars. During A five-day trip I could take at least 20 different girls and some of them could get multiple sessions. And I usually had 3-4 trips to clubs each year.
Now under 200/60 new rate, I still spend same amount money as before but could not take as many girls as pre-covid era. New strategy is to focus on the most optic young girls. Most of my former favorites are aged. They either retired, or out of my list.
This year my top favorites includes Catelea, Maria, Ariana, Lola, Roberta (moved to Oase since August), Lora (gone), MG1, MG2 (these two girls didn't allow me to write comments about them), etc. Next year I definitely will keep meeting new fresh beauties to continue pursuing my hobby.
Sorry for my ex-favorites included Roxy Mellisa Ruby Melani Branda Vanness Sabina Esther Adriana Mila Denise (Kitty) who still are working in Sharks. I don't even give them a single penny this year.
HammerTime96
12-18-23, 09:34
I have been in sharks more than 250 x since 2012.
But after corona break, things become worse and worse!
From 2013 - 2020 I never asked a girl for her price, because I know it and always paid 100/ h with GFE, DFK.
But now you always have to negotiate for the price before the room and often in the room or after the room.
And this is not just few girls, it does almost all girls even the ugly.
Its time to say goodbye to sharks.Yes unfortunately you are right. The "pandemic" seems to have created a huge group of greedy women and dumb men who accept everything and are not able to think.
Next month my usual form of transport from Terminal Two Frankfurt airport to Sharks isn't available and I've just found out that the Airbus only now departs from Terminal one. Meaning I would have to take the free shuttle bus from T1 to T2 but unfortunately I will be limited for time.
So does anyone know how much a taxi would cost from T2 to Sharks?
I could go by train but again it will delay my limited time available.
If the cost is too much I might give Palace a try for the first time.Taxi costs from Frankfurt airport to sharks around 120€.
Palace or mainhatten can be a choice.
I've been wanting to go to Wellcum for many years, but it seems a little out of the way if I'm in the Frankfurt area.
Question 1 - Is the club full nude (FKK) or do the girls wear bikini's and lingerie when they walk around?
Question 2 - Does the 70 Euro include BBBJ or is it covered?Some full naked days, read on thread. BBBJ is very standard, not FK, at Wellcum, girls saying: Italians don t kiss, or: I don't kiss, but I suck good. When I was unlucky when Winter arrived too early on 1 November, but I found woman type Juliet. Ro who even fkissed me in lounge before going upstairs. 140/60 with 2 showers together, real and good FK, BBBJ. Wellcum is my restaurant for real sport in Zoncolan.
I tend to agree. The girls have become too greedy for their own good. Fortunately, after 3 days of Sharks I was able to enjoy a Saturday at Oase and after that went with a friend to FKK Wellcum in Austria. The base price is 70/30 and plenty of girls are more than happy to receive that or 70/30 + tip. No unnecessary haggling on upselling. Lots of fresh girls willing to please. 7 girls in 3 days.Many Sharks girls now behave like did Oase girls on 2016 with upselling causing the fall, but now, Oase improved and better value for money than most Sharks girls. Even not Ukrainian, but Nadia is sexier than Kity. Pity, girls make losing business to Sharks management. Nevertheless, still few good girls, but new ones are not improving the value. But not only Sharks in Hessen or Germany.
I have been in sharks more than 250 x since 2012.
But after corona break, things become worse and worse!
From 2013 - 2020 I never asked a girl for her price, because I know it and always paid 100/ h with GFE, DFK.
But now you always have to negotiate for the price before the room and often in the room or after the room.
And this is not just few girls, it does almost all girls even the ugly.
Its time to say goodbye to sharks.Main problem for me since July is no wow look, no interesting images, when I managed 150/60, 200/80 on May and June for really high fresh GFE with a rare German part timer and 150/80 on same level on beginning of August with my best Sharks 2021 girl. If they want to go with You, I think 150/60+ for full GFE is still possible with most who are on highest level, when most who ask more expensive are not on highest level, like Kity, Katalea, many little Romanians who are far below Tara, Sena. I m a bit sad level of Romanians really fell, when I had so many I repeated weekly driving so many kilometers to return.
Prelude141
12-18-23, 11:28
Next month my usual form of transport from Terminal Two Frankfurt airport to Sharks isn't available and I've just found out that the Airbus only now departs from Terminal one. Meaning I would have to take the free shuttle bus from T1 to T2 but unfortunately I will be limited for time.
So does anyone know how much a taxi would cost from T2 to Sharks?
I could go by train but again it will delay my limited time available.
If the cost is too much I might give Palace a try for the first time.Shutle T1 to T2 is fairly quick like 10 min, 20 mi. If you have to wait the bus to come.
Have a look to the rail air bus, it quick and cheap, 10 euros, 30 min journey to Darmstadt HBF and then 10 euros Cab HBF to sharks (or 30 min walk).
Taxi FRA to Darmstadt is about 60 euros.
Neurosynth
12-18-23, 11:30
. . . ., except if you made her really cum and she wants to keep your talent only for her.Sometimes you're so smart about whoring, and then there are times like this. . .
Escape Artist
12-18-23, 14:27
LOL, I was getting out of my car when parked across the street. A taxi pulls up and asks to drop me off at the front door so he can collect the taxi commission. Hilarious. Makes me think that on busy days, they can just hang out across the street between fairs and collect easy money.
Escape Artist
12-18-23, 14:30
I've been wanting to go to Wellcum for many years, but it seems a little out of the way if I'm in the Frankfurt area.
Question 1 - Is the club full nude (FKK) or do the girls wear bikini's and lingerie when they walk around?
Question 2 - Does the 70 Euro include BBBJ or is it covered?Q1: More bikini than nude but more nude than at Oase these days. FKK concept is nearly dead at large clubs.
Q2: Usually includes but some ask for upcharge.
I tend to agree. The girls have become too greedy for their own good. Fortunately, after 3 days of Sharks I was able to enjoy a Saturday at Oase and after that went with a friend to FKK Wellcum in Austria. The base price is 70/30 and plenty of girls are more than happy to receive that or 70/30 + tip. No unnecessary haggling on upselling. Lots of fresh girls willing to please. 7 girls in 3 days.They should never have named that club 'Sharks'. LOL.
Next month my usual form of transport from Terminal Two Frankfurt airport to Sharks isn't available and I've just found out that the Airbus only now departs from Terminal one. Meaning I would have to take the free shuttle bus from T1 to T2 but unfortunately I will be limited for time.
So does anyone know how much a taxi would cost from T2 to Sharks?
I could go by train but again it will delay my limited time available.
If the cost is too much I might give Palace a try for the first time.There is a new bus stop for the Airbus less than 10 minutes walk from T2. If you look use Google map it will show you the stop.
There is a new bus stop for the Airbus less than 10 minutes walk from T2. If you look use Google map it will show you the stop.I often just pick the time of the day I'm planning and start an UBER rez to see what the prices tell me. Should give you a budget. Just don't hit confirm. 😜.
I've been wanting to go to Wellcum for many years, but it seems a little out of the way if I'm in the Frankfurt area.Wellcum is a nice club with a good selection of girls and quality for money, but leaving Frankfurt, the FKK capitol of the world, for Villach? Sorry, it does not make sense to me. If you are tired of Sharks, then Palace, Oase and Mainhattan are right there at your doorstep. NRW also closer than Villach.
Now, if you are travelling from London, Paris, Amsterdam, New York or Miami I could give you a different answer.
ShoesAndSocks
12-18-23, 18:38
LOL, I was getting out of my car when parked across the street. A taxi pulls up and asks to drop me off at the front door so he can collect the taxi commission. Hilarious. Makes me think that on busy days, they can just hang out across the street between fairs and collect easy money.Must have been an ex Las Vegas taxi driver. They prowl around the strip clubs there looking for foot traffic (i.e. overseas visitors) to play the same game.
I'm pretty sure the poster should have written Mandarin Chinese as that's the main language of Taiwan. Doubtful that she would have learned the aboriginal type languages spoken there..A Taiwanese told me that Emma (probably also Melanie) could speak some Taiwan language. One time I overheard that Emma said "Goa ai Lee" to a young Asian. Later on the guy told me it was Taiwanese language means " I love you".
Emma and Melanie are very famous at a Taiwanese sex forum since 2016. Taiwaneses called these two girls as "two beauties of Asian hunters".
Of course I believe Emma and Melanin could also speak some mandarin or Japanese.
These days, many girls could speak more or less Asian language. One time a girl shouted at an Asian guy "ai shi te ru" . It is " love you" in Japanese. LOL.
I was in the same predicament. I'm based in Frankfurt but it seemed long a long journey just to go there.
I didn't regret going though. I did a weekend trip down on a flixbus on a Friday and got back to Frankfurt in time for work on Monday.
I caught a flixbus to karlsruhe and then from karlsruhe to villach so that I could sleep uninterrupted from 12 AM to 8 AM which I did do.
Quite comfortably. Woke up fully refreshed in villach at 8 AM.
To get a BBBJ you have to buy the "cum in mouth extra" which is 50 euros on top of the 70.
I've been wanting to go to Wellcum for many years, but it seems a little out of the way if I'm in the Frankfurt area.
Question 1 - Is the club full nude (FKK) or do the girls wear bikini's and lingerie when they walk around?
Question 2 - Does the 70 Euro include BBBJ or is it covered?
Yes unfortunately you are right. The "pandemic" seems to have created a huge group of greedy women and dumb men who accept everything and are not able to think.Not such upselling and higher quality on 2021, after covid.
I will not quit this hobby only if I have income to support. For years' visits, my once regulars or favorite List became longer and longer. (See below). And each year I add new fresh girls into my happy list, so it is almost impossible that they are all gone.
Of course, I have distanced many of my former favorite due to the hiking price. I usually spent 500-800 each day visit before covid. Under the old time 100/60 rate I could offer 5-8 one-hour-session to my regulars. During A five-day trip I could take at least 20 different girls and some of them could get multiple sessions. And I usually had 3-4 trips to clubs each year.
Now under 200/60 new rate, I still spend same amount money as before but could not take as many girls as pre-covid era. New strategy is to focus on the most optic young girls. Most of my former favorites are aged. They either retired, or out of my list.
This year my top favorites includes Catelea, Maria, Ariana, Lola, Roberta (moved to Oase since August), Lora (gone), MG1, MG2 (these two girls didn't allow me to write comments about them), etc. Next year I definitely will keep meeting new fresh beauties to continue pursuing my hobby..You arrived 2 years too late for Katalea and pay more expensive than those who got her freshness on her first 2 weeks at Sharks when she didn't need heavy make up. I would not pay for Lola, not pretty enough for me. Natalia at Gold has average teeth and low level for sex.
BackpackBrian
12-19-23, 01:47
Wellcum is a nice club with a good selection of girls and quality for money, but leaving Frankfurt, the FKK capitol of the world, for Villach? Sorry, it does not make sense to me. If you are tired of Sharks, then Palace, Oase and Mainhattan are right there at your doorstep. NRW also closer than Villach.
Now, if you are travelling from London, Paris, Amsterdam, New York or Miami I could give you a different answer.Not New York but California.
What do you recommend?
Thanks to Anyone who want to stop visiting sharks. The less customers the less competition for attractive girls. Subsequently the pressure of hiking prices would also diminish. Thus would turn into buyers' market.
I don't mind pay 200/60 for the most beautiful beauties with best service attitude. But I don't want to see too many While complaining about the prices being too high, but also competing with me for attractive women.
So the win-win situation is that:
1) some guys save their precious toil and sweat hardest-earned money by stop visiting Sharks.
2) I get attractive women with less competition and cost-effectiveness.
Recently I offered 1000 euro to book Maria from 2 pm to 11 pm on a Thursday, but she politely declined in indirect way. She said many guests were waiting for her. I knew most customers only book her 100/30 at that slow day but she still got enough business because too many guys competed with me. So from 2 pm to 11 pm she could easily earn 1000 in 9 hours.
To get a BBBJ you have to buy the "cum in mouth extra" which is 50 euros on top of the 70.So that would make it more expensive than most girls in Sharks?
Wellcum is a nice club with a good selection of girls and quality for money, but leaving Frankfurt, the FKK capitol of the world, for Villach? Sorry, it does not make sense to me. If you are tired of Sharks, then Palace, Oase and Mainhattan are right there at your doorstep. NRW also closer than Villach.
Now, if you are travelling from London, Paris, Amsterdam, New York or Miami I could give you a different answer.Yes, Wellcum is a very beautiful club at the bottom of wonderful Carinthians, even trees now hide a bit, but even I found really good kisser, even in lounge before room, woman type Juliet. Ro for 140/60 with BBBJ but not skillful to suck and average for fucking, 0 upselling, but I would not advice Wellcum for their girls level in bed, when I got so far higher level in Germany and even at Sharks for more than 10 rooms on 2023 . Best for me at Wellcum are foods, not much upselling is better than at Sharks since Summer, BBBJ is full standard but I hate: Italians don t kiss, I don t kiss but I suck good, told by girls. Even 0 room on most of my last visits, but at Sharks, Sena, Tara are higher level than at Wellcum. Less girls, but Oase can compete for beauties and quality with Sharks, with less upselling now and higher level for girls than at Wellcum. GG is on another level for quality if You love women, not for schoolgirls.
A Taiwanese told me that Emma (probably also Melanie) could speak some Taiwan language. One time I overheard that Emma said "Goa ai Lee" to a young Asian. Later on the guy told me it was Taiwanese language means " I love you".
Emma and Melanie are very famous at a Taiwanese sex forum since 2016. Taiwaneses called these two girls as "two beauties of Asian hunters".
Of course I believe Emma and Melanin could also speak some mandarin or Japanese.
These days, many girls could speak more or less Asian language. One time a girl shouted at an Asian guy "ai shi te ru" . It is " love you" in Japanese. LOL.Just because they speak 2/3 sentence, don't means they speak a language.
Believe me, both will laugh you out, after they got your money!
Emma is max. A 6 .
And melanie with her unnormal big ass is max. A 5.
The last 5 x I was in sharks, they both only seat at the bar and waiting for customers.
I haven't seen them doing any business.
Real beauty asian hunter were cosmina, evita, helen, daria, but they are not in sharks anymore.
Escape Artist
12-19-23, 14:13
A Taiwanese told me that Emma (probably also Melanie) could speak some Taiwan language. One time I overheard that Emma said "Goa ai Lee" to a young Asian. Later on the guy told me it was Taiwanese language means " I love you".
Emma and Melanie are very famous at a Taiwanese sex forum since 2016. Taiwaneses called these two girls as "two beauties of Asian hunters".
Of course I believe Emma and Melanin could also speak some mandarin or Japanese.
These days, many girls could speak more or less Asian language. One time a girl shouted at an Asian guy "ai shi te ru" . It is " love you" in Japanese. LOL.Speaking or knowing some phrases? Because I literally saw Emma 2 days ago, did not go to room, and no she is not fluent in mandarin or any Taiwanese dialect. Her East Asian language fluency is about on par with my Eastern European language fluency. As in, county to 10, say Hello, say I love you, blah blah blah.
Escape Artist
12-19-23, 14:46
Yikes, the lying down and taking it attitude is what's ruining the scene. It does strike me as an odd reaction when the reaction of criticism to a club seems so personal.
Every one can do what they want with their money but should realize and admit when it is contributing to the deterioration of the scene. You can see it when you see all the worse type of new girls showing up. Ones who have been in the business long enough to get silicon. Lazy new princesses. Girls who ask for tips even when paying 200 e rate.
Spend your 200/ hour but do not pretend you are not part of the decline of the FKK.
I said fuck it and paid the 200 e rate one time just to see. The room was okay. Got baby kisses and was shorted on time. Decent everything else. In the end, still pressures me for a tip. This should let people know that there is no ceiling for what the women will ask. All 100 e rooms were just suck and fuck bullshit rooms. At this point, I expect a bust if I ever take a girl who is not a regular.
Pay what you want but normalizing it and pushing it on others is detrimental. At least the complainers may have the effect of warning new readers that this is not normal and to not throw your money so easily.
Tourists along with 15-minute-pump young locals keep feeding the girls with 100 e for bullshit half hour sessions that are really 20 minutes.
That's why you don't see whales buying long rooms at Sharks anymore. It has become more economical for girls to pump out shit 20 minute rooms for 100 e than to even invest hours with a big spender and provide excellent service.
Escape Artist
12-19-23, 15:16
So that would make it more expensive than most girls in Sharks?BBBJ extra is not the norm as Austria has no condom law. 70 e service at Welcum trumps 100 e service at Sharks just about every time. 200 e 1 hour service at Sharks might get you similar value as 140 e at Welcum but that does not seem to be a certainty. I would go out on a limb and say the 150 e service at Oase might be the best of all of them at this current point in time.
Escape Artist
12-19-23, 17:05
Wellcum is a nice club with a good selection of girls and quality for money, but leaving Frankfurt, the FKK capitol of the world, for Villach? Sorry, it does not make sense to me. If you are tired of Sharks, then Palace, Oase and Mainhattan are right there at your doorstep. NRW also closer than Villach.
Now, if you are travelling from London, Paris, Amsterdam, New York or Miami I could give you a different answer.None of those other clubs provide a similar level of optics+quantity as Welcum. Logistics of travel is not as simple but an easy solution is using overnight trains and busses that allow you to combine sleep plus travel time. I've taken overnight trains to wake up in Villach ready to hit up the club. On the way back was even easier having taken an 8 hour overnight train to Stuttgart transfer at 9 am then arriving at to Darmstadt by 11 am. There is even an overnight train that takes you directly to Frankfurt from Villach. I couldn't find a direct train going the other direction though.
To get a BBBJ you have to buy the "cum in mouth extra" which is 50 euros on top of the 70.Not my experience at all. BBBJ is pretty much standard service in a 70 E session at Wellcum.
It's not that there are exceptions. Girls will try to upsell a little also here if they regard you as new face in the club. Typically they will try to sell a GFE package for 30 E that includes kissing and DATY. I am yet to hear that they refuse to provide BBBJ as a standard. For 140 E /60 I usually get DFK / BBBJ / DATY / CFS with COB / COT added for free if I want.
You got upsold this time. Next time I bet you will able to avoid those situations.
Not New York but California.
What do you recommend?It is still difficult to recommend anything. I have been trying to read your 2023 reports, but it is not clear to me what you have experienced this year, what your preferences are, and what you are looking for. I am therefore just assuming that you are one of the many Sharks fanboys who is offput by the latest reports about the 200 E /60 pricing and thus looking for alternatives.
If this assumption is correct, then Hessen is #1 go to place for FKK clubs. I would explore the other FKK clubs in Hessen (and not at least NRW) before making any Austria visits. The FKK scene in Germany is generally much bigger than Austria with tons of options (cannot be compared).
If I am wrong, and that you have much more experience with the Germany FKK clubs than I initially believed, but for some reason are bored with the Germany FKK scene feeling adventurous seeking something fresh and new, then sure why not. You can then skip Frankfurt and take a flight to Vienna or Klagenfurt in stead. Logistics to Austria would then make more sense.
- IMHO Wellcum is a very nice club that can compete with Sharks / Oase. It's not better, but not worse (heated outside pool and Italian food as biggest pros).
- LU is good (70+ girls on the weekend?) with quality on par with Sharks/Oase (not better/not worse).
- Biggest plus for Wellcum is less upselling than at Sharks / Oase (but also less kissing), but upsell is far from being non-existing. If you are able to play your cards right you can quite easily get a quality session at Wellcum from 70 E /30 or 140 e /60 (BBBJ / CFS / DATY and possibly kissing). I am yet to hear anyone quoting 200 E /60 at Wellcum (that is VERY rare).
So for 2- 3 days Wellcum is perfect. But there are no good alternatives in Austria as far as my experiences goes. So if you plan for 1- 2 weeks, then you will need alternatives to Wellcum, and again, logistics is far more easy in Germany.
As you can see, it is impossible to give clear recommendations unless you provide more information about length of stay, your personal preferences, usw.
Keep up the hobby and unless you are meticulous and insist on hammering all pricing details every time and you'll eventually get it every so often. I've been doing this for 15 years and a girl tried it last week. Usually it's the girl trying to see what she can get but has no intent on going to reception. I usually just give her the amount I calculate and gracefully say goodbye. Every time, the girl will be pleasant when she sees me again and several I have sessioned with again later.Sure, I'm sure it exists, it's just seems pretty rare for a girl to try to pull something like that. Upsell during session, sometimes. Recalculation of fee AFTER session, really rare. Most of my experience is not at FKKs so maybe its different. Unless it is an FKK or brothel where I'm essentially getting a somewhat random girl, I usually only see girls that are well reviewed so that helps the odds. Most times (not at fkk), I have to pay upfront and so there isnt really much opportunity for a girl to try to scam you other than offering an upsell during the session. FKKs are kind of unique in the world. good and bad.
None of those other clubs provide a similar level of optics+quantity as Welcum. Logistics of travel is not as simple but an easy solution is using overnight trains and busses that allow you to combine sleep plus travel time. I've taken overnight trains to wake up in Villach ready to hit up the club. On the way back was even easier having taken an 8 hour overnight train to Stuttgart transfer at 9 am then arriving at to Darmstadt by 11 am. There is even an overnight train that takes you directly to Frankfurt from Villach. I couldn't find a direct train going the other direction though.Thanks for the tip about night train from Frankfurt to Villach. Very interesting!
Your report showed up with a delay (after my response to BPB). We both have good experiences at Wellcum. I still think one should explore Oase, Palace, Mainhattan before leaving Frankfurt though (at least Oase). But to each their own.
I've been wanting to go to Wellcum for many years, but it seems a little out of the way if I'm in the Frankfurt area.
Question 1 - Is the club full nude (FKK) or do the girls wear bikini's and lingerie when they walk around?
Question 2 - Does the 70 Euro include BBBJ or is it covered?On the subject of FKK days, most recently I was told it was on Sunday and Wednesday when I called them this past September. Previously it used to be Monday, Thursday and Friday during the summer of 2022. Not sure if the Sunday and Wednesday dates has changed since then so best to call them ahead of time to enquire if you plan to visit on a FKK day.
By the way, for any Wellcum regulars, has anyone tried out new girl Kasy at Wellcum? Her body looks amazingly stunning. Tempted to revisit next March if she is still available there.
Thanks. Howie.
None of those other clubs provide a similar level of optics+quantity as Welcum. Logistics of travel is not as simple but an easy solution is using overnight trains and busses that allow you to combine sleep plus travel time. I've taken overnight trains to wake up in Villach ready to hit up the club. On the way back was even easier having taken an 8 hour overnight train to Stuttgart transfer at 9 am then arriving at to Darmstadt by 11 am. There is even an overnight train that takes you directly to Frankfurt from Villach. I couldn't find a direct train going the other direction though.Many clubs in Germany are higher level for me than Wellcum and Globe, lands of silicon, many not fkissing at Wellcum, so I don't pay for this. Marina. Slo was higher level for me.
Just because they speak 2/3 sentence, don't means they speak a language.
Believe me, both will laugh you out, after they got your money!
Emma is max. A 6 .
And melanie with her unnormal big ass is max. A 5.
The last 5 x I was in sharks, they both only seat at the bar and waiting for customers.
I haven't seen them doing any business.
Real beauty asian hunter were cosmina, evita, helen, daria, but they are not in sharks anymore.Cosmina is at Oase and likes me now. Funny what she asked me few months ago, but I never forget.
Thanks to Anyone who want to stop visiting sharks. The less customers the less competition for attractive girls. Subsequently the pressure of hiking prices would also diminish. Thus would turn into buyers' market.
I don't mind pay 200/60 for the most beautiful beauties with best service attitude. But I don't want to see too many While complaining about the prices being too high, but also competing with me for attractive women.
So the win-win situation is that:
1) some guys save their precious toil and sweat hardest-earned money by stop visiting Sharks.
2) I get attractive women with less competition and cost-effectiveness.
Recently I offered 1000 euro to book Maria from 2 pm to 11 pm on a Thursday, but she politely declined in indirect way. She said many guests were waiting for her. I knew most customers only book her 100/30 at that slow day but she still got enough business because too many guys competed with me. So from 2 pm to 11 pm she could easily earn 1000 in 9 hours.How do you want to compete versus speaking Russian? Did you ever touch her, even overpaying?
I was in the same predicament. I'm based in Frankfurt but it seemed long a long journey just to go there.
I didn't regret going though. I did a weekend trip down on a flixbus on a Friday and got back to Frankfurt in time for work on Monday.
I caught a flixbus to karlsruhe and then from karlsruhe to villach so that I could sleep uninterrupted from 12 AM to 8 AM which I did do.
Quite comfortably. Woke up fully refreshed in villach at 8 AM.
To get a BBBJ you have to buy the "cum in mouth extra" which is 50 euros on top of the 70.This was not my experience recently. The standard 70/30 included BBBJ. It's always nice to add a tip of 10 or 20 euros.
Thanks to Anyone who want to stop visiting sharks. The less customers the less competition for attractive girls. Subsequently the pressure of hiking prices would also diminish. Thus would turn into buyers' market.
I don't mind pay 200/60 for the most beautiful beauties with best service attitude. But I don't want to see too many While complaining about the prices being too high, but also competing with me for attractive women.
So the win-win situation is that:
1) some guys save their precious toil and sweat hardest-earned money by stop visiting Sharks.
2) I get attractive women with less competition and cost-effectiveness.
Recently I offered 1000 euro to book Maria from 2 pm to 11 pm on a Thursday, but she politely declined in indirect way. She said many guests were waiting for her. I knew most customers only book her 100/30 at that slow day but she still got enough business because too many guys competed with me. So from 2 pm to 11 pm she could easily earn 1000 in 9 hours.I believe that is one of the problems with Sharks at the moment. Not enough new talent. Too many old faces that have been there for years. I've heard from a regular that more new faces can be found at Oase and at Samya.
I believe that is one of the problems with Sharks at the moment. Not enough new talent. Too many old faces that have been there for years. I've heard from a regular that more new faces can be found at Oase and at Samya.Sharks has also new faces, BUT those are the scammers from other clubs.
200/ h is not the limit, many girls even try 250/ h or even 300/ h for GFE / DFK.
And I know too many guys paying 300-400€/ h.
So even 200/ h don't ensure good service right now. Soo sad.
BarryManila
12-20-23, 05:02
Recently I offered 1000 euro to book Maria from 2 pm to 11 pm on a Thursday, but she politely declined in indirect way. She said many guests were waiting for her. I knew most customers only book her 100/30 at that slow day but she still got enough business because too many guys competed with me. So from 2 pm to 11 pm she could easily earn 1000 in 9 hours.Sorry, but she will be too bored with you, 9 hours with just one man.
Emma is max. A 6 .
And melanie with her unnormal big ass is max. A 5.
The last 5 x I was in sharks, they both only seat at the bar and waiting for customers.
I.I didn't assert that Emma and Melanie are the top tier. I just emphasized that even if girls are considered average, they can still be popular among specific customer groups if they find a niche to fill.
Of course prime time for girls are very short. For example Melanie was Someone's Snow White" in 2015. Not anymore now.
I've reiterated this countless times: the 200/60 rate is only to the most attractive young girls. Approximately around 10% girls inside club deserve that. But there are always ones who deliberately misinterpret my point and consider I overpaying all the girls.
200/60, I always can get good service with GFE from girls I like. But 100/30 only get basic service with bad attitude in Sharks. I am not as lucky as Sirioja who spent only 150/60 could still get best GFE service.
Beautiful young women have always been scarce.
But money is Not scarce. You can earn anyway.
So if 200 euro could f*k a beautiful young girl one hour, I do.
BackpackBrian
12-20-23, 06:56
Thanks for the tip about night train from Frankfurt to Villach. Very interesting!
Your report showed up with a delay (after my response to BPB). We both have good experiences at Wellcum. I still think one should explore Oase, Palace, Mainhattan before leaving Frankfurt though (at least Oase). But to each their own.Hi.
I'll be with a buddy in Pattaya from Dec 28 - Jan 15, but I'd like to stop off in Germany on may way home (USA), and while I'm very familiar with Frankfurt (Sharks, Oase, Palace, Mainhatten) and NRW and all those clubs, I'm very partial to all the fully nude FKK clubs.
I've been to Zurich many times but mostly went to Club Globe, but I've read that the other clubs in and around Zurich (Palace, Club Swiss, Freubad, Amesia, etc) are fully nude FKK clubs (at least on some days).
I've never been to Austria and wanted to see Wellcum, Andiamo, Goldentime, Babylon, Maxim and I was just told Wellcum has 2 days per week that are fully nude FKK.
Question. If you were going to pick a European country that had the highest number of fully nude FKK clubs, not in the Frankfurt area, where would you go?
Austria, Switzerland or somewhere else in Germany outside Frankfurt?
I'd like to hit at least one area or country with lots of full nude FKK's before I make my way to Frankfurt to visit the big 5. Then I'll head back to the states at the end of the month.
Sorry, but she will be too bored with you, 9 hours with just one man.Girls telling longest booking, less sex, but needing so much to speak to make bored with headache. Had some girls just after long bookings like Florentina at Sharks on 2018, Raïssa at World on 20 June 2015, my Russian at GG on November, they were fresh like virgin, my Russian turning electric on intense fucking after difficult previous room for her, even not much sex. But on my last visit, when she told me about again long time booking for 4 hours, I answered I would not wait, she was back after 2 only hours, but I went with Italia I was happy to repeat for her very woman type, even Russia is my most extreme GFE quality in FKK land, for 150/60. Higher value for money than Sharks little Romanians who ask too expensive for their look and value.
I didn't assert that Emma and Melanie are the top tier. I just emphasized that even if girls are considered average, they can still be popular among specific customer groups if they find a niche to fill.
Of course prime time for girls are very short. For example Melanie was Someone's Snow White" in 2015. Not anymore now.You said, only the real top girls deserve 200€/ h.
I understand your thought, and in one way this is right.
But not here in sharks.
This is the reason why Emma or Melanie also wants 200€/ h.
And all the other 5's or 6's or average looking girls.
I've reiterated this countless times: the 200/60 rate is only to the most attractive young girls. Approximately around 10% girls inside club deserve that. But there are always ones who deliberately misinterpret my point and consider I overpaying all the girls.
200/60, I always can get good service with GFE from girls I like. But 100/30 only get basic service with bad attitude in Sharks. I am not as lucky as Sirioja who spent only 150/60 could still get best GFE service.
Beautiful young women have always been scarce.
But money is Not scarce. You can earn anyway.
So if 200 euro could f*k a beautiful young girl one hour, I do.So you also get GFE DFK for 200€/ h also with Simona or Kitty?
Since middle of this year, when they increased their price, after they recognized that even the average girls takes 200€/ h.
Their price became 250€/ h full service.
Sharks has also new faces, BUT those are the scammers from other clubs.
200/ h is not the limit, many girls even try 250/ h or even 300/ h for GFE / DFK.
And I know too many guys paying 300-400/ h.
So even 200/ h don't ensure good service right now. Soo sad.When I'm only excited by looks and behavior close to normal women I see out of FKK land, since my rare German left on June, I m really not impressed by Sharks casting and I don t see any who has the look or GFE on my level, to worth 200/60 , when I can have beautiful German escorts for less, when they know my way, when unfortunately, most Romanians lost quality. Game at Sharks is now: more expensive for lower quality, or the shortest the most experience like average face short Simona. Ro and some Germans are crazy about little girls I got at school when I was 15. Sharks is good for the club, but better quality for girls elsewhere in Germany for me and for 150/60 or 200/90 when I like to take my time when quality.
So you also get GFE DFK for 200/ h also with Simona or Kitty?
Simona (155 cm height, somehow lookalike young Leah Gotti) quote me 150/30. Non- negotiable. So I had to turn to Lola. Although Lola also quote me 200/60, she finally agreed 300/120. So I took Lola instead of Simona.
Later on, I saw Simona again, but she said she was unhappy with me unless I agree 300/ hour. No way. I left her alone.
Kitty is out of my list. She accused me that I pretended not to recognize her and only wanted to pay 150/60 last October (2022). She remembered me in October 2019 when I took her and her "cousin" Anna-Mari 3-P and paid them well. Now I became "cheap Charlie". Kitty refused to go to room me.
Catelea gave me the best GFE service this year. 200/60 or 400/120.
Ariana too 200/60. BTW, Ariana comes back from vacation. She would probably stay until the end of December. Even if not many customers like her, but I like her.
So you also get GFE DFK for 200/ h also with Simona or Kitty?
Since middle of this year, when they increased their price, after they recognized that even the average girls takes 200/ h.
Their price became 250/ h full service.Some pay 250/60 for few baby, Romanian, kiss.
I've reiterated this countless times: the 200/60 rate is only to the most attractive young girls. Approximately around 10% girls inside club deserve that. But there are always ones who deliberately misinterpret my point and consider I overpaying all the girls.
200/60, I always can get good service with GFE from girls I like. But 100/30 only get basic service with bad attitude in Sharks. I am not as lucky as Sirioja who spent only 150/60 could still get best GFE service.
Beautiful young women have always been scarce.
But money is Not scarce. You can earn anyway.
So if 200 euro could f*k a beautiful young girl one hour, I do.I agree with you on 1 point, when I love Russia but was not educated in a kolkhoze, all girls don't worth same rate for me. For sure, Katalea or Kity or Bibi worth more expensive than Sylvana, but this don't mean these 3 are high level, when they are not and never worth 200/60 compare to German escorts, when they are ridiculous for sex compare to escort level. We don't all have same standard, when I paid 200/60 for many rooms with Lora. FR and even out of Sharks, for her freshness and magic of French communication while sex, before her pimped technique when she lost her best French regulars, turning to Asian business, but I got her freshness like for Katalea just arriving from her private. If I was better on this Saturday, I could be her first at Sharks, but I had belly problems on afternoon and was only able at 1 am, exhausting her, when she finished after our room.
EuroTravel1234
12-21-23, 13:21
Sorry, but she will be too bored with you, 9 hours with just one man.Is Maria (Ukraine) still working in Shark? What is her schedule looks like? Thanks.
Is Maria (Ukraine) still working in Shark? What is her schedule looks like? Thanks.I Never found her this month. Maybe she has so many appointments and all booked and very difficult to find. But another Ukrainian top girl at Oase, Nadia whom Siri always recommend will work through Christmas and new year so you should visit OASE. (Strictly speaking she is an ethnic Ukrainian who resides in Moldova, not a pure Ukrainian immigrant like Maria).
Imagine there are people like you, thinking top looking girls desserve 250/ h and are ready to pay this.
Then other girls willDo you really understand number or English?
Please open your eyes to read what I said in my post.
I said top attractive young girls deserve 200/60.
You misinterpreted as 250/ h ，which Only the illiterate who doesn't recognize numbers could do that.
I've reiterated this countless times: the 200/60 rate is only to the most attractive young girls. Approximately around 10% girls inside club deserve that. But there are always ones who deliberately misinterpret my point and consider I overpaying all the girls
I Never found her this month. Maybe she has so many appointments and all booked and very difficult to find. But another Ukrainian top girl at Oase, Nadia whom Siri always recommend will work through Christmas and new year so you should visit OASE. (Strictly speaking she is an ethnic Ukrainian who resides in Moldova, not a pure Ukrainian immigrant like Maria).Maria is real Ukrainian. Nadia Oase would be one of the prettiest at Sharks, but she doesn't speak Russian, but Romanian.
Do you really understand number or English?
Please open your eyes to read what I said in my post.
I said top attractive young girls deserve 200/60.
You misinterpreted as 250/ h ，which Only the illiterate who doesn't recognize numbers could do that.When German escorts can be for less than 200/60 when they know You and your way, why do You want to pay same or more expensive for lower quality like Katalea, Kity, Bibi / Samira who can t compete with escort level. Just your choice to pay more expensive for a dacia than for a Audi. In many of your writings, You write girls deserve more expensive and even at Gold, but a dacia will never reach 300 , which is reason I bought Venus8 . You don t know German business so You can t compare quality. If one day, You can touch Maria I got twice, You may start to understand to compare quality, when she is not even my best quality in Germany, when Sharks girls are not on highest level in Germany. Most expensive don t mean highest quality, Globe is proof.
Do you really understand number or English?
I said top attractive young girls deserve 200/60.
You misinterpreted as 250/ h ，which Only the illiterate who doesn't recognize numbers could do that.I said, when it was 150€/ h, you paying some girls (your top girls) 200€/ h.
Which is not good for the market.
Because these girls tasted blood and stuck with the price.
Then the other girls followed.
And that's why the price now for the top girls are 250€/ h.
And 200€/ h for the other girls.
I said, when it was 150/ h, you paying some girls (your top girls) 200/ h.
Which is not good for the market.
Because these girls tasted blood and stuck with the price.
Then the other girls followed.
And that's why the price now for the top girls are 250/ h.
And 200/ h for the other girls.He always wrote and not only at Sharks, he likes to pay girls he likes more expensive than usual rate. Some Germans also pay crazy rate. When You know a bit the business, then You know most Romanians unfortunately fell for quality and You can compare quality, when topgirls for him are not always wow looks, I never noticed some, I would not pay for some and mostly low level for sex for Caucasians.
You arrived 2 years too late for Katalea and pay more expensive than those who got her freshness on her first 2 weeks at Sharks when she didn't need heavy make up. I would not pay for Lola, not pretty enough for me. Natalia at Gold has average teeth and low level for sex.Not too late for Catelea. She is just 22 yo still very young skinny white and pretty. Yes, she is more expensive than before. She charges everyone in same price rate 200/60. So it might be not affordable for you since you are only able to pay 150/60.
I recently fall in love with Stacy. She looks very decent.
Escape Artist
12-23-23, 10:03
Do you really understand number or English?
Please open your eyes to read what I said in my post.
I said top attractive young girls deserve 200/60.
You misinterpreted as 250/ h ，which Only the illiterate who doesn't recognize numbers could do that.The mentality here clearly comes from someone who undermines the FKK concept. Even the idea of normalizing 200/ HR to any girl in an FKK is already absurd. Like others said, the 200/ HR or above pricing belongs in the outcall scene, not at an FKK where the point is high volume. The fact that one hour at an FKK costs the same as one hour as a private outcall visit is illogical. It's why Sharks has become a tourist trap for 2 pump chumps and is not really an FKK anymore.
That price point inherently undermines the concept of FKKs, sex in volume. It's clearly evident as the number of rooms being taken have declined and the number of 1 hour rooms taken declined even more. That's evident by the fact that room waits are nonexistent these days. Weekend club attendance is pretty good, but off peak day attendance is comparatively weaker than before. This tells me that Sharks attendance now skews even more heavily toward tourists and weekend party guys, not locals or guys trying to fuck.
And like another poster said, guys who normalized the 200/ HR price is why we're now seeing 250/ HR.
Not too late for Catelea. She is just 22 yo still very young skinny white and pretty. Yes, she is more expensive than before. She charges everyone in same price rate 200/60. So it might be not affordable for you since you are only able to pay 150/60.
I recently fall in love with Stacy. She looks very decent.I paid on more than 10 rooms Lora. FR 200/60 , when she asked 150 for 30 , but she was higher GFE than Katalea and french educated. Katalea level for sex don t worth 200/60 for me and she has mostly 30 mn rooms, but I m not interested by 30 mn room. I only rush when average like with Kity.
The mentality here clearly comes from someone who undermines the FKK concept. Even the idea of normalizing 200/ HR to any girl in an FKK is already absurd. Like others said, the 200/ HR or above pricing belongs in the outcall scene, not at an FKK where the point is high volume. The fact that one hour at an FKK costs the same as one hour as a private outcall visit is illogical. It's why Sharks has become a tourist trap for 2 pump chumps and is not really an FKK anymore.
That price point inherently undermines the concept of FKKs, sex in volume. It's clearly evident as the number of rooms being taken have declined and the number of 1 hour rooms taken declined even more. That's evident by the fact that room waits are nonexistent these days. Weekend club attendance is pretty good, but off peak day attendance is comparatively weaker than before. This tells me that Sharks attendance now skews even more heavily toward tourists and weekend party guys, not locals or guys trying to fuck.
And like another poster said, guys who normalized the 200/ HR price is why we're now seeing 250/ HR.With rate they ask, many girls have slow business, even on Saturday and party. I wonder if most didn t make more money when they were for 50 per 30 . Funny, ranked as top here are not in election final.
Well, some guys (Sirioja or others) are lucky and always get 150/60 deal. Good for you.
I am not as lucky as you guys. Almost all girls (except few) quota me 200/60. And not negotiable.
Then what could I do? Yes I Walk away, if girls are not my favorite types, (or too old or too mature, even if Sirioja like, but I don't).
So if ugly or regular girls quote you 200/60 or 100/30, then not go with them. If you still want to go with them, then it is your own problem.
However, If the girls are Catelea, Ariana, Maria, Sophie (de), Bibi, Claudia, Stacy, Lola, Roberta, Simona, etc. , I'm unable to decline. I must either accept the quoted rate of 200/60 or propose longer sessions (2-3 hours) for a reduced rate. Some girls agree, while others still adhere to the 200/60 rate.
You guys have a magic trick to reduce prices and pay less to those girls than I do. Good for you again. You've already gained an advantage, so why complain? Are you altruists or egoists?
The mentality here clearly comes from someone who undermines the FKK concept..From your post, it appears that you hold the view that all girls are homogeneous. It seems you may overlook the fact that different girls can have varying prices and appeal. Your use of the term "normalize" suggests a uniformity, akin to treating them as if they were all the same (like AI robots).
Not that case。.
Top young beauties (at most 10-20 girls at Sharks) deserve 200/60. I mentioned countless times.
However, for most of average and below average girls (account for 80% girls population) at Shark club, I would not take them even at 100/60 or 50/30 rate. They could still survive and quote 100/30 200/60 because they have their own regular customers to pay them.
As some customers who claim to always go for their regulars girls only.
I'll surely stop coming when my regulars are all gone.So average girls quote 200/60 are not my fault. It is because their regulars customers indulge these girls, keep these girls in business and hike the price.
SobeLizard
12-23-23, 23:52
Not too late for Catelea. She is just 22 yo still very young skinny white and pretty. Yes, she is more expensive than before. She charges everyone in same price rate 200/60. So it might be not affordable for you since you are only able to pay 150/60.
I recently fall in love with Stacy. She looks very decent.She is called the Catalea subway express because we ran a train through her. You can have her we are done. She's a train wreck and you're living in embarrassment and denial. Laughing my ass off.
Escape Artist
12-24-23, 05:33
From your post, it appears that you hold the view that all girls are homogeneous. It seems you may overlook the fact that different girls can have varying prices and appeal. Your use of the term "normalize" suggests a uniformity, akin to treating them as if they were all the same (like AI robots).
Not that case。.
Top young beauties (at most 10-20 girls at Sharks) deserve 200/60. I mentioned countless times.
However, for most of average and below average girls (account for 80% girls population) at Shark club, I would not take them even at 100/60 or 50/30 rate. They could still survive and quote 100/30 200/60 because they have their own regular customers to pay them.
As some customers who claim to always go for their regulars girls only.
So average girls quote 200/60 are not my fault. It is because their regulars customers indulge these girls, keep these girls in business and hike the price.It is possible that you may not be aware of the FKK concept as your views seem to disregard some essential principles of an FKK sauna club.
These are not my personal views; but rather, they are inherent concepts of German FKKs: standardized pricing for all girls regardless of the subjectivity of "top girl" and bulk fucking many girls in volume. So not only does the normalization of a price point that prevents volume fucking undermine the FKK concept, normalizing variable pricing is also against the FKK concept.
As others have said, it does not matter that a monger justifies higher prices by claiming that a girl is a "top young girl. " The monger who pays higher prices is actively involved in raising prices from other girls as girls work in unison to raise prices. Pay one hot girl a higher rate, her mediocre friend will ask for the higher rate. Girls watch each other and pressure others into higher pricing. I took a massage from one girl, just a massage, and paid her 50 euro. On payment, she requested that I discreetly give her the 50 e so others could not see the small amount. This should tell you how price gouging works.
Your 200 e payment to a "top optic" promotes the entire price gouge scene. Like you, another poster has previously stated, "not all girls are worth the same rate. " That too undermines the German FKK concept. The idea of only fucking one girl during a visit undermines the FKK concept. Common thread: foreign mongers not respecting local concepts.
It's Germany, frugality and standardization are cultural norms embedded into the FKK Sauna Club concept. Locals respond by mostly only taking half hour rooms for 100 euro and many have stopped visiting altogether, already unfortunate.
Unfortunately many foreign mongers mess up a good thing by gleefully giving extortion level payments for service levels that are not even guaranteed to be acceptable. People can do whatever they choose but let's not fool ourselves by turning a blind eye to being part of the problem of the disappearing FKK concepts orchestrated by Romanian girls price gouging low volume fuckers.
Well, some guys (Sirioja or others) are lucky and always get 150/60 deal. Good for you.
I am not as lucky as you guys. Almost all girls (except few) quota me 200/60. And not negotiable.
Then what could I do? Yes I Walk away, if girls are not my favorite types, (or too old or too mature, even if Sirioja like, but I don't).
So if ugly or regular girls quote you 200/60 or 100/30, then not go with them. If you still want to go with them, then it is your own problem.
However, If the girls are Catelea, Ariana, Maria, Sophie (de), Bibi, Claudia, Stacy, Lola, Roberta, Simona, etc. , I'm unable to decline. I must either accept the quoted rate of 200/60 or propose longer sessions (2-3 hours) for a reduced rate. Some girls agree, while others still adhere to the 200/60 rate.
You guys have a magic trick to reduce prices and pay less to those girls than I do. Good for you again. You've already gained an advantage, so why complain? Are you altruists or egoists?As I already wrote, I agree with You all Sharks girls don t worth same rate and yes, Katalea ask 200/60 since 2022 and Kity and Simona ask even more expensive for few kiss = 250/60 or even more for short Simona, but my meaning is your girls are not wow look and in bed to pay 200/60 they don t worth for me. Only Sofi. De and Maria. Ukr could worth in bed, but not pretty enough for this rate. I compare to what can be found and I find in Germany, even I m a foreigner, but I don t play tourist at Sharks. I went with Sofi, 30 mn were too short with her, so I extended, she asked 200/60 , I never repeated. With Bibi / Samira, I had to work hard to get a bit from her low level for sex, about 70 mn, she wanted 200 , I gave her 150 telling her very well paid for her low level, she went to lockers. If You knew Sena, then You could know what is quality, not only low level expensive girls. Natalia at Gold is also low level for sex. I love beauty, but I need a woman in bed, not a Romanian little girl with a small pussy. Most expensive at Sharks are not the highest level.
She is called the Catalea subway express because we ran a train through her. You can have her we are done. She's a train wreck and you're living in embarrassment and denial. Laughing my ass off.Even she is not so fresh than on her arrival from a private, but after 3 weeks, she already lost her freshness on end of July 2021 , then putting heavy make up, but other girls like Brenda since 2016 and many others are since longer time at Sharks. At least, pleasure to look at her body, but not enough. She was great on 3 first week ends when we had 5 1 hour rooms and I remember chicken skin on her ass and her hardening pointing nipples, even not a true GFE despite cumming.
I Never found her this month. Maybe she has so many appointments and all booked and very difficult to find. But another Ukrainian top girl at Oase, Nadia whom Siri always recommend will work through Christmas and new year so you should visit OASE. (Strictly speaking she is an ethnic Ukrainian who resides in Moldova, not a pure Ukrainian immigrant like Maria).Maria still working at Sharks, but have been gone for the last week+. Should be back this coming weekend.
Is Maria (Ukraine) still working in Shark? What is her schedule looks like? Thanks.Maria works weekends, still at Sharks.
Is this the Emma that looks a little like Cara Delevingne? She pudged out after the pandemic but I guess she's in better shape now?
If it's the girl I'm thinking of, she was popular with the Asians. She's gone even deeper into servicing Asians with the Taiwanese language? That's an odd language to choose.
I didn't know so many of the Asian mongers came from Taiwan. I would think Japanese, Chinese or Korean would work better.This is very interesting. To me, Emma is one of the ugliest at Sharks, I rate 1. 5 out of 10 and I was always thinking she survives by offering 50 euro for 1 hour or something. I am not saying this in a bad or rude way, it's amazing that men's taste differ so much. And I know my taste is different too as I rate a famous katalea 4 out of 10.
Maria works weekends, still at Sharks.So, Maria is a part timer? Only weekend? But I never found her even during the weekend. I guess she is almost 100% booked when she comes.
I think this is because quality of girls at Sharks are extremely low lately and she is the only stunner.
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TankTank123
12-25-23, 01:04
This is very interesting. To me, Emma is one of the ugliest at Sharks, I rate 1. 5 out of 10 and I was always thinking she survives by offering 50 euro for 1 hour or something. I am not saying this in a bad or rude way, it's amazing that men's taste differ so much. And I know my taste is different too as I rate a famous katalea 4 out of 10.My first session with Emma was in 2017. She really looked like Cara Delevigne then. Young pretty face, tight bod, perky tits. Charged standard 100 for 60 min.
She changed in 2018. There were hoards of Japanese and Chinese tourists then. She rejected me because she preferred to prey on these tourists, from whom she gets 100 for 30 minutes.
Post corona, her looks declined sharply. No more youthful face, pudgy and largish areola. Also puts on a mean look most of the time, instead of smiling. So, I would now rate her a 3, as compared to perhaps an 8 in 2017.
So, Maria is a part timer? Only weekend? But I never found her even during the weekend. I guess she is almost 100% booked when she comes.
I think this is because quality of girls at Sharks are extremely low lately and she is the only stunner.Yes she mostly works weekends maybe one or two days here and there aside from that. But overall it's whenever she wants. I think that's one of the appeals of sharks for the girls, they can come and go as they please and that gives them more power over schedules, earnings etc.
Is this the Emma that looks a little like Cara Delevingne? She pudged out after the pandemic but I guess she's in better shape now?
If it's the girl I'm thinking of, she was popular with the Asians. She's gone even deeper into servicing Asians with the Taiwanese language? That's an odd language to choose.
I didn't know so many of the Asian mongers came from Taiwan. I would think Japanese, Chinese or Korean would work better.There is no Taiwanese language. (There are some indigenous languages in Taiwan but speakers will be very angry if they are called Taiwanese language and clearly neither he or she speaks those languages.) Emma speaks a few words of Mandarin and that's it, same as all the girls who work Asian customers a lot. Some people from Taiwan like to use the word "Taiwanese" just to distance themselves from China for the obvious political reasons, most of the time it's equivalent to Chinese.
Melanie and Emma had some fame during 2018-19 on the sex forum in Taiwan, and since Covid, almost no new report of FKK is added so if people search for FKK Sharks on the forum, their names will pop up. That's why they are known among (though quite few in total) visitors came from Taiwan.
The main issue at the moment is NOT spending 200/ hour on the most beautiful girls (Catelea, Maria, Ariana, Bibi, Kitty, Lora, maxima, Lola, Simone, Celine, Stacy, etc), but spending 200/60 on unattractive / Mediocre ones.
Why some guys still agree to pay 200/60 or 100/30 to mediocre or average girls but also complain? These guys could simply go away if too expensive and find a more optic young alternates.
Because these average girls are indulged by their regular customers. So These regular customers always pay whatever irrational rate their regular favorites ask, even if these girls have become aged and ugly.
For example,
To me, Emma is one of the ugliest at Sharks,So you should blame customers who choose her and keep her in business. I never chose Emma since 2016.
Catelea consistently quotes me 200/60 with GFE. Lora (fr) also quoted me 200/60, the same rate she offered to Sirioja, who booked 10 hours at that rate 200/60 already .
I paid on more than 10 rooms Lora. FR 200/60 ,So if you don't like Catelea, Lora (FR) or Maria (ukr), then just save your money and leave away.
TankTank123
12-25-23, 07:44
There is no Taiwanese language. (There are some indigenous languages in Taiwan but speakers will be very angry if they are called Taiwanese language and clearly neither he or she speaks those languages.) Emma speaks a few words of Mandarin and that's it.The words quoted by Happy Tour were indeed Chinese, but it is the Fujian dialect and not Mandarin. According to a Taowanese I spoke to, it is a southern Chinese dialect widely used by Taiwanese as many of them moved there from southern China when Mao Tse Tung pushed south.
The main issue at the moment is NOT spending 200/ hour on the most beautiful girls (Catelea, Maria, Ariana, Bibi, Kitty, Lora, maxima, Lola, Simone, Celine, Stacy, etc), but spending 200/60 on unattractive / Mediocre ones............For me what is worse than spending 200/60 for an unattractive or mediocre girl is spending 200/60 on girl who gives bad service. You can know in advance the looks of the girl but you cannot predict the quality of service.
Escape Artist
12-25-23, 17:51
Exactly: uneducated simps who "do-as-they-are-told" and can not say "no" to vaccines, lockdowns, QR Stars, and 200-250/60.LOL, still on this? How sad.
Escape Artist
12-25-23, 17:59
US tourist pollute everywhere they go. They think they rule the World and impose their Will upon others. They tip girls and are low performers in the room. Typically those men are constantly going into lockers to take Kamagra Oral Jelly. Don't talk to them or give them any advice.Meh. No need to scapegoat Americans as we don't make up a significant amount of the clientele to have that big an effect. Simple math. Same with the scapegoating of Asians. Those two populations together make up, at most, 5% of total guests. At any given time, there are probably less than 10 total Americans or Asians visiting Sharks.
Shark's business if probably something along the lines of 1/3 German-German, 1/3 Turkish-German, 1/4 other European, plus the rest of the world filling in the remainder. To have such vitriol for these populations is just scapegoating and hate-mongering more than reality.
For me what is worse than spending 200/60 for an unattractive or mediocre girl is spending 200/60 on girl who gives bad service. You can know in advance the looks of the girl but you cannot predict the quality of service.And some on his list are not good in bed like Kity or Bibi or very average like Katalea, some are not pretty like Lola or Claudia and some I never even noticed like Ariana. His top girls and quality are very different. If he ever touched Maria, or full natural with beautiful eyes Sena for 150/60 , he may understand he wasted money with lower level, when he doesn t seem demanding, when girls tell I m too picky, not finding at Sharks or Globe.
It is possible that you may not be aware of the FKK concept as your views seem to disregard some essential principles of an FKK sauna club.
These are not my personal views; but rather, they are inherent concepts of German FKKs: standardized pricing for all girls regardless of the subjectivity of "top girl" and bulk fucking many girls in volume. So not only does the normalization of a price point that prevents volume fucking undermine the FKK concept, normalizing variable pricing is also against the FKK concept.
As others have said, it does not matter that a monger justifies higher prices by claiming that a girl is a "top young girl. " The monger who pays higher prices is actively involved in raising prices from other girls as girls work in unison to raise prices. Pay one hot girl a higher rate, her mediocre friend will ask for the higher rate. Girls watch each other and pressure others into higher pricing. I took a massage from one girl, just a massage, and paid her 50 euro. On payment, she requested that I discreetly give her the 50 e so others could not see the small amount. This should tell you how price gouging works.
Your 200 e payment to a "top optic" promotes the entire price gouge scene. Like you, another poster has previously stated, "not all girls are worth the same rate. " That too undermines the German FKK concept. The idea of only fucking one girl during a visit undermines the FKK concept. Common thread: foreign mongers not respecting local concepts.
It's Germany, frugality and standardization are cultural norms embedded into the FKK Sauna Club concept. Locals respond by mostly only taking half hour rooms for 100 euro and many have stopped visiting altogether, already unfortunate.
Unfortunately many foreign mongers mess up a good thing by gleefully giving extortion level payments for service levels that are not even guaranteed to be acceptable. People can do whatever they choose but let's not fool ourselves by turning a blind eye to being part of the problem of the disappearing FKK concepts orchestrated by Romanian girls price gouging low volume fuckers.When mostly tourists here, but You should read german lustscout for Germans and locals, to understand better what became Sharks. Under lockdown, Germans started to pay 100/30 or 150/60 , when only Melissa ex Palace asked 150/60 before covid and still on same rate. Now they pay 250/60 for Elektra or Simona I would not pay for. Some Germans proposed thousands to my rare German I paid 150/60 or 200/80 and she asked to repeat. Some are turning crazy for little Romanians looking like schoolgirl, or when a fresh natural German.
Meh. No need to scapegoat Americans as we don't make up a significant amount of the clientele to have that big an effect. Simple math. Same with the scapegoating of Asians. Those two populations together make up, at most, 5% of total guests. At any given time, there are probably less than 10 total Americans or Asians visiting Sharks.
Shark's business if probably something along the lines of 1/3 German-German, 1/3 Turkish-German, 1/4 other European, plus the rest of the world filling in the remainder. To have such vitriol for these populations is just scapegoating and hate-mongering more than reality.Agree, probably not accurate assessment, overall this is representing global shift in tourists patterns. Internet, economic growth makes things easiest. While back in the day Sharks and the likes may be more known to locals and in smaller circles now a google search for FKK's will yield Sharks as a place to visit, accordingly prices will rise. I don't think that is a phenomenon that must remain, with economic downturns and so on it may shift back down, in fact I heard from one of the girls that "management" mentioned lowering prices etc. Not sure if this was BS or not but I did hear this.
Agree, probably not accurate assessment, overall this is representing global shift in tourists patterns. Internet, economic growth makes things easiest. While back in the day Sharks and the likes may be more known to locals and in smaller circles now a google search for FKK's will yield Sharks as a place to visit, accordingly prices will rise. I don't think that is a phenomenon that must remain, with economic downturns and so on it may shift back down, in fact I heard from one of the girls that "management" mentioned lowering prices etc. Not sure if this was BS or not but I did hear this.A while ago, management told girls about less business and asked new girls to work for 80/30 and 130/30 . I know some guys who got Cami for 80 . But not new just didn t care and rised from 150 to 200 or even more for average quality for 1 hour. They prefer to warm their ass making cellulite, sitting for hours. Management is really not helped by their girls and lose business because of many, when better value and quality elsewhere. If they worked in normal life, many would be fired when too expensive for their quality: look and in bed. Even club is good, but not only Sharks in Hessen and Germany where can still find really good quality, with woman types really GFE for me, for 150/60 or 200/90 .
And some on his list are not good in bed like Kity or Bibi or very average like Katalea, some are not pretty like Lola or Claudia and some I never even noticed like Ariana. His top girls and quality are very different. If he ever touched Maria, or full natural with beautiful eyes Sena for 150/60 , he may understand he wasted money with lower level, when he doesn t seem demanding, when girls tell I m too picky, not finding at Sharks or Globe.I think again this is all relevant.
Most of the FKK scene is subjective there are some dudes that fall in love with the girls in FKK and agree to prices that probably should not be paid in general. But again it's very subjective so I don't judge. I have paid ridiculous prices probably ten fold in Vietnam, Phuket, Prague just because I had a connection with a person beyond sex. 🤷127995;8205;9794;65039;.
I don't think that kind of behavior generally affects overall FKK scene but again tourists and availability of information makes all the difference.
But believe me girls take that in consideration as well perhaps not all but they also consider when the income is prime, what is the best way to maximize etc, which is why many work part time, or develop connections outside of the club.
When mostly tourists here, but You should read german lustscout for Germans and locals, to understand better what became Sharks. Under lockdown, Germans started to pay 100/30 or 150/60 , when only Melissa ex Palace asked 150/60 before covid and still on same rate. Now they pay 250/60 for Elektra or Simona I would not pay for. Some Germans proposed thousands to my rare German I paid 150/60 or 200/80 and she asked to repeat. Some are turning crazy for little Romanians looking like schoolgirl, or when a fresh natural German.Sharks is a tourist trap and I think only good for local germans. The management fails to understand foriegn guests especially Chinese / Asians. The girls also try to hunt the asians and charge more. Its a no go place for tourists.
LOL, still on this? How sad.German Government is making hundreds of billion euro depths, as an excuse they still use corona. Politicians like Lauterbach and Nonnemacher still recommend to wear masks and to do vaccine. Hospitals have measures again, because "the numbers of infections are rising". Last week Germany had over 3 Million infections, at least this is what fake news state media pray.
This is LOL.
Meh. No need to scapegoat Americans as we don't make up a significant amount of the clientele to have that big an effect. Simple math. Same with the scapegoating of Asians. Those two populations together make up, at most, 5% of total guests. At any given time, there are probably less than 10 total Americans or Asians visiting Sharks.
Shark's business if probably something along the lines of 1/3 German-German, 1/3 Turkish-German, 1/4 other European, plus the rest of the world filling in the remainder. To have such vitriol for these populations is just scapegoating and hate-mongering more than reality.German-americans are the most wanted right now. Especially if daddy was settled in rammstein and is part of green party.
The main issue at the moment is NOT spending 200/ hour on the most beautiful girls (Catelea, Maria, Ariana, Bibi, Kitty, Lora, maxima, Lola, Simone, Celine, Stacy, etc), but spending 200/60 on unattractive / Mediocre ones.
Why some guys still agree to pay 200/60 or 100/30 to mediocre or average girls but also complain? These guys could simply go away if too expensive and find a more optic young alternates.
Because these average girls are indulged by their regular customers. So These regular customers always pay whatever irrational rate their regular favorites ask, even if these girls have become aged and ugly.
For example,
So you should blame customers who choose her and keep her in business. I never chose Emma since 2016.
Catelea consistently quotes me 200/60 with GFE. Lora (fr) also quoted me 200/60, the same rate she offered to Sirioja, who booked 10 hours at that rate 200/60 already .
So if you don't like Catelea, Lora (FR) or Maria (ukr), then just save your money and leave away.Lora. FR when was fresh before March 2023 and her prostitute, Ariana Grande style, fake poney tail, was the only one to worth 200/60 for me at Sharks, to speak french while sex, what I missed so much, so I was not really objective. Maxima who is not French is not at all as pretty, even beautiful eyes and teeth and not fresh behavior but professionnal. Now with much cellulite on ass. German Jasmin from Munich lowered her rate to 150/60 after our discovery, when she was fire in bed. I had Germans coming from escorting for less than 200/60 on 2022 and 2023 , when I never beg, but from my way with them.
Escape Artist
12-26-23, 20:41
German Government is making hundreds of billion euro depths, as an excuse they still use corona. Politicians like Lauterbach and Nonnemacher still recommend to wear masks and to do vaccine. Hospitals have measures again, because "the numbers of infections are rising". Last week Germany had over 3 Million infections, at least this is what fake news state media pray.
This is LOL.I saw zero masks in Germany and if if I did see a few here and there, I wouldn't be so obsessed with it. What's tiring for me is talking to people who have such strong feelings about topics to which they only have superficial exposure.
Something that was reinforced to me: truth doesn't matter to people who start with a conclusion and work backwards. They will selectively find data points that support their beliefs and ignore ones that do not.
German Government is making hundreds of billion euro depths, as an excuse they still use corona. Politicians like Lauterbach and Nonnemacher still recommend to wear masks and to do vaccine. Hospitals have measures again, because "the numbers of infections are rising". Last week Germany had over 3 Million infections, at least this is what fake news state media pray.
This is LOL.We get same information in France with new covid variant.
Sharks is a tourist trap and I think only good for local germans. The management fails to understand foriegn guests especially Chinese / Asians. The girls also try to hunt the asians and charge more. Its a no go place for tourists.For my many visits, no problem with Sharks staff and desk even improved, but I agree for the big fall for Sharks casting and Oase is better value now with less upselling, even less girls, but quantity don t make quality as I so often wrote. 1 high level to repeat, weekly for a guy like me, is better than mass who upsell for only average.
German-americans are the most wanted right now. Especially if daddy was settled in rammstein and is part of green party.I banged an American German in Oase 13 years ago. Her father was American and her mother was German. Very attractive physically but I'm afraid her service was not all that good.
Thanks to Anyone who want to stop visiting sharks. The less customers the less competition for attractive girls. Subsequently the pressure of hiking prices would also diminish. Thus would turn into buyers' market.
I don't mind pay 200/60 for the most beautiful beauties with best service attitude. But I don't want to see too many While complaining about the prices being too high, but also competing with me for attractive women.
So the win-win situation is that:
1) some guys save their precious toil and sweat hardest-earned money by stop visiting Sharks.
2) I get attractive women with less competition and cost-effectiveness.
Recently I offered 1000 euro to book Maria from 2 pm to 11 pm on a Thursday, but she politely declined in indirect way. She said many guests were waiting for her. I knew most customers only book her 100/30 at that slow day but she still got enough business because too many guys competed with me. So from 2 pm to 11 pm she could easily earn 1000 in 9 hours.IMHO 1000/9 hours is way too low for THE top girl like Maria even if you are a very attractive man. Top girl makes 250-300/ h because of extra service like DFK CIM, and many 30 min sessions finishes in 15 min, which makes it even higher. And My understanding is that she has a continuous flow of customers all day without much effort.
For my many visits, no problem with Sharks staff and desk even improved, but I agree for the big fall for Sharks casting and Oase is better value now with less upselling, even less girls, but quantity don t make quality as I so often wrote. 1 high level to repeat, weekly for a guy like me, is better than mass who upsell for only average.I think its because you are European tourist. Most girls cannot speak German so they really cannot distinguish. I can only say for Chinese and Asian tourists. They behave differently and try to hunt us and charge more. Yes, I was in Oase recently and the line up is pretty decent. I was happy to see the young new star Cleo at Oase. I this she is the current best in Frankfurt area.
Escape Artist
12-27-23, 19:16
IMHO 1000/9 hours is way too low for THE top girl like Maria even if you are a very attractive man. Top girl makes 250-300/ h because of extra service like DFK CIM, and many 30 min sessions finishes in 15 min, which makes it even higher. And My understanding is that she has a continuous flow of customers all day without much effort.In addition to how tolerable / intolerable it would be to spend 9 hours with the particular client, value to the girl is likely ultimately determined by time and day of the week / how many other guests in the club. 1000 e guaranteed at 12 pm on Tuesday may be a great deal. 1000 e for a high earner at 4 pm Saturday may mean she takes a loss for more hours spent in the room.
It's funny how only 3 years ago, this would have been an absurd discussion.
IMHO 1000/9 hours is way too low for THE top girl like Maria even if you are a very attractive man. Top girl makes 250-300/ h because of extra service like DFK CIM, and many 30 min sessions finishes in 15 min, which makes it even higher. And My understanding is that she has a continuous flow of customers all day without much effort.I would probably say even more than that, 1000/9 hrs is probably the kind of offer that will make them not want to spend any time with you, again you may think of your self as a stud, but the girls are there not there because they just love spending time with random dudes, sure yeah many of them actually do enjoy sex but I hope everyone involved here understands that in most cases they are there because of circumstance, yes by their own choice, sure no one is forcing them to be there, but they are there to make money first and foremost.
Sure there may be day that she's not in the mood and sitting with someone just to kill time for 1000 may sounds like a decent deal considering you are not talking about 9 hrs of continuous action but, again they can make much more than that on average and that's what they are there to do.
Generally in a place like sharks if they are not in the mood they just do not come as it is the case with Maria, so if she's there then yes 1000/9 hrs is not going to cut it.
Prelude141
12-27-23, 22:38
In addition to how tolerable / intolerable it would be to spend 9 hours with the particular client, value to the girl is likely ultimately determined by time and day of the week / how many other guests in the club. 1000 e guaranteed at 12 pm on Tuesday may be a great deal. 1000 e for a high earner at 4 pm Saturday may mean she takes a loss for more hours spent in the room.
It's funny how only 3 years ago, this would have been an absurd discussion.I'm not sure this is funny to have this board flooded with discussion on rates, I would prefer to read reviews and sex experience but fact is that the hobby is turning in a very unpleasant situation with the current requested rates and it will continue as long as you guys carry on visiting and paying such prices. I don't have much hope but I wish management will loose business and regulate the prices to get customers back. Club is pretty much dead till 7 pm Monday to Thursday, slightly busy after 7 pm and busy as usual Friday and Saturday, I hope the loss of revenue for the club vs pre covid will trigger a regulation of rates charged by the girls but not sure that can happen.
I would probably say even more than that, 1000/9 hrs is probably the kind of offer that will make them not want to spend any time with you, again you may think of your self as a stud, but the girls are there not there because they just love spending time with random dudes, sure yeah many of them actually do enjoy sex but I hope everyone involved here understands that in most cases they are there because of circumstance, yes by their own choice, sure no one is forcing them to be there, but they are there to make money first and foremost.
Sure there may be day that she's not in the mood and sitting with someone just to kill time for 1000 may sounds like a decent deal considering you are not talking about 9 hrs of continuous action but, again they can make much more than that on average and that's what they are there to do.
Generally in a place like sharks if they are not in the mood they just do not come as it is the case with Maria, so if she's there then yes 1000/9 hrs is not going to cut it.I also think that she may be booked by VIP and I heard that they usually book girl for 3-5 hours at 300-400/ h rate (including generous tip). One girl told me that one VIP paid her 500 E / h. If she takes 9 hours deal at even 1800 euro, she may lose a VIP call (which happens at any random moment).
My point is that €1000/9 h is a great deal for 97% of girls. But it's a really shitty deal for Maria, who is the top 0. 3%. Remember that the top girl makes €2000-3000 a day.
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My point is that 1000/9 h is a great deal for 97% of girls. But it's a really shitty deal for Maria, who is the top 0. 3%. Remember that the top girl makes 2000-3000 a day.If You knew a bit Maria, she usually doesn't work for so many hours and I doubt she would stay for whole day if You don't speak Russian, even if You pay 200 per hour. A pretty face, but not exceptionnal, even natural, body. Tornado in bed, but less sensual than average for a ex CCCP, even she never knew. No high skill. I rank her at 100/35/40 for our 2 rooms, helped by my Russian. I know higher skills at Sharks and in Germany. Great combo at Sharks would be Maria face with less heavy make up, on Katalea or Brenda body, with Tara skill in bed, then I could agree for 200/60 , when since July, I didn't see any worthing 200/60 for look.
My point is that 1000/9 h is a great deal for 97% of girls. But it's a really shitty deal for Maria, who is the top 0. 3%. Remember that the top girl makes 2000-3000 a day.Just urban legends. With their new rates, most girls make less money at the end of month than they made when they were busy at 50 per 30 . But they make more cellulite on ass.
I think its because you are European tourist. Most girls cannot speak German so they really cannot distinguish. I can only say for Chinese and Asian tourists. They behave differently and try to hunt us and charge more. Yes, I was in Oase recently and the line up is pretty decent. I was happy to see the young new star Cleo at Oase. I this she is the current best in Frankfurt area.Many Asian types visit and return to Sharks. Yes, girls try to fuck these types when most are easy business and Sharks is now what was Oase on 2016 , upselling land for tourists, when I agree Oase may be now a better value for money for girls and can find prettier than at Sharks where more quantity than wow looks. Not only Sharks in Germany, just for tourists who don t know else. If You look for quality, You don t go for Sharks casting at the moment.
For the past two decades, Germany has welcome Millions of International visitors from around the world for Trade shows.
International Motor Show.
Frankfurt Book Fair.
IFA.
Bauhaus.
The first visitors of FKK were the Germans, followed by the Italians, then French, then Dutch, then Japanese, then Koreans, then Chinese.
None of these trade shows or Europeans or Asians has affected the price of FKK. The price remained 50 for 30 minutes for two decades.
Then the US tourists arrived polluting the girls and telling them how much they could make if they worked in the US.
The US tourists started to tip the girls 50 euro and one by one the dominos began to tumble.
The Hessen region became polluted with these tourist that come for July 4th, Labor Day, Thanksgiving and Christmas.
Don't give them any advice. There is nothing to share. They only destroy what we built for 20 years.I find it very difficult to swallow that. The very reason Americans travel all the way to Germany is for cheap sex. Back in the day it was 50/30 and 100/60. Perhaps a few may have tipped and that tip may have just been EUR20 or so. You cannot paint all Americans with the same brush.
For the past two decades, Germany has welcome Millions of International visitors from around the world for Trade shows.
International Motor Show.
Frankfurt Book Fair.
IFA.
Bauhaus.
The first visitors of FKK were the Germans, followed by the Italians, then French, then Dutch, then Japanese, then Koreans, then Chinese.
None of these trade shows or Europeans or Asians has affected the price of FKK. The price remained 50 for 30 minutes for two decades.
Then the US tourists arrived polluting the girls and telling them how much they could make if they worked in the US.
The US tourists started to tip the girls 50 euro and one by one the dominos began to tumble.
The Hessen region became polluted with these tourist that come for July 4th, Labor Day, Thanksgiving and Christmas.
Don't give them any advice. There is nothing to share. They only destroy what we built for 20 years.The hike in prices has zero to do with Americans overpaying, and it has everything to do with what Germans did to their own institutions. The imposition of the condom law for BJs created an opening for greedy, unscrupulous prostitutes to take advantage of the situation and tack on a 50 euro surcharge for everybody, regardless of nationality, who wanted to keep on getting BBBJs, which was virtually every monger. I'm sure that many with regulars who they gave steady business to were able to stay at the old rates, but for everybody else it was pretty much pay up or give it up. It has nothing to do with American tourism to Germany. The situation came about because of the Germans themselves with their interfering laws, plus inflationary pressures. People are always great for blaming others for all of their problems!
Escape Artist
12-28-23, 17:16
When mostly tourists here, but You should read german lustscout for Germans and locals, to understand better what became Sharks. Under lockdown, Germans started to pay 100/30 or 150/60 , when only Melissa ex Palace asked 150/60 before covid and still on same rate. Now they pay 250/60 for Elektra or Simona I would not pay for. Some Germans proposed thousands to my rare German I paid 150/60 or 200/80 and she asked to repeat. Some are turning crazy for little Romanians looking like schoolgirl, or when a fresh natural German.Been a member there since the site opened. It's basically a Sharks thread much like this site as other clubs also get vastly ignored. Even there, most posters are not locals. German yes, but most are not local.
As for Germans paying tourist rates, they are mostly only guilty of paying 100 per 30 minutes. Rarely do the Germans contribute to the 200/ hour price gouge much less the 250/ HR or 150/30 rate. I assume that they know that for 200/ HR, they can make an appointment with their escort of choice without having to wait or pay an entrance fee.
I'll reiterate, paying 200/ HR at an FKK is dumb mongering, no matter how much someone justifies a girl is worth. It's still an FKK where prices are supposed to allow for quantity of rooms, not one great room. Quality is important but for an FKK sauna club, quantity is supposed to be prioritized. If quality is the priority, the monger should not be in an FKK destroying the concept with their out-of-place justification of ridiculous pricing.
People can talk about tourists but anyone paying 200 for an hour without extras is guilty of contributing to this bad situation themselves.
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I find it very difficult to swallow that. The very reason Americans travel all the way to Germany is for cheap sex. Back in the day it was 50/30 and 100/60. Perhaps a few may have tipped and that tip may have just been EUR20 or so. You cannot paint all Americans with the same brush.The original assumption that Americans didn't arrive til later is incorrect. They were at the same Trade Fairs as the rest of the world. Especially by the start of the 90's Maybe not every trade but enough. But happy to be the scape goat for why the entire industry got expensive. I did once tip a girl.
Escape Artist
12-29-23, 00:27
Just urban legends. With their new rates, most girls make less money at the end of month than they made when they were busy at 50 per 30 . But they make more cellulite on ass.I second this. Even at the new rates, top girls are not making 2000-3000 per day. Yes they may make 2000 to 3000 on a great day but the reality is that they are taking more 30 minute rooms at the 100 e rate and less one hour rooms altogether. Who knows what the actual average daily take-home is for the girls these days but it's not enough to cause a flood of fresh girls, nor a massive exodus beyond the initial post-lockdown exodus. That probably means that incomes are likely much the same as before.
Not a single girl at Sharks is continuously booked. The market is just not supporting that. I saw a rare room wait at Sharks a couple of weeks ago. Four couples were ahead of me but the wait was only about 10 minutes. This means everyone is taking "30 minute" rooms rather than long rooms. And by "30 minutes," I mean quick fuck 20 minute minute rooms.
In the end, what happens is that the top girls win. All girls make less rooms but the top girls end up making the same money for less rooms and time in rooms. I don't even see the top girls disappearing for hours so it seems that they are just taking in 100 e at a time, maybe 150 e with an extra. And even the busiest girls are not doing 15-20 rooms per day.
One of my regulars who is rarely talked about on this board but is popular on the German boards openly stated to me that 500 e on a slow day is okay, 1000 e is usually the goal, and 2000 e is a great day.
Escape Artist
12-29-23, 06:17
Yes I agree, I have been visiting Fkks every year, two three times each quarter. At sharks the line up is same from last few years and 50% girls are same even before corona times whereas OASE have completely new line up. OASE is definitely better value for quality and new girls.I do agree with favoring Oase at the moment over Sharks but am fairly certain that Sharks turnover is much greater than 50%. Probably closer to 80% compared to pre-Rona.
Oase is proportionately nearly as good in optics with half the line up size but less overpriced and better average service.
I've always hoped for the day where haggling situation at Oase was better than Sharks. Did not expect it to come in the form of deterioration of Sharks from a pandemic pricing aftermath.
Yes I agree, I have been visiting Fkks every year, two three times each quarter. At sharks the line up is same from last few years and 50% girls are same even before corona times whereas OASE have completely new line up. OASE is definitely better value for quality and new girls.Crina, Melissa, work at Oase since before 2014 . Marina since before 2016 . Sharks is now what was Oase in 2016 , upselling land, when Oase improved since 2019 .
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