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My criticism of Sharks would not be so much the physical appearance of the girls but more the mercenary attitude. Too much upselling. I asked more than 10 girls last night in Sharks what the attitude to the new law will be. Several smiled a lot. It is very clear that BBBJ will still be on offer but as an extra. I asked how much and the standard response was an extra 50 e as they are taking a risk. Wow!
One girl, Adina, explained to me that she will no longer give BBBJ whether for more money or not. She said a lot of police do come into the club to check things out and if a girl offers BBBJ in future she is likely to be prosecuted. I argued that I didn't think offering a BBBJ was an offence. Just giving one. She said she wouldn't risk it! Sensible perhaps.
In the short term at least, I think lovers of BBBJ will find it costly. One great tip a girl wrote on another thread and another member told me about is to ask the girl to hold a condom in one hand whilst BBBJ with the other hand on your manhood. If the room door opened the girl stops to explain she is about to put the condom on with her mouth. Doesn't get round the police issue but would get around most other risks.
Hessen Bub
06-23-17, 17:45
an extra 50 e as they are taking a risk. Wow!
She said a lot of police do come into the club to check things out and if a girl offers BBBJ in future she is likely to be prosecuted. BBBJ is no risk (besides the health risk) for the girl. There are no fines for the girls and no prosecution. Maybe you should carry a piece of paper with the relevant passages from the law in German, English, Romanian and Bulgarian with you.
HB.
In the short term at least, I think lovers of BBBJ will find it costly. One great tip a girl wrote on another thread and another member told me about is to ask the girl to hold a condom in one hand whilst BBBJ with the other hand on your manhood. If the room door opened the girl stops to explain she is about to put the condom on with her mouth. Doesn't get round the police issue but would get around most other risks.Maybe HB could kindly explain whether entering the private room without knocking is legal in Germany or not. I would assume not.
Hessen Bub
06-23-17, 18:37
I am not a 100% sure but from my perspective the authorities are not allowed to enter the rooms without knocking. And probably they are not allowed to enter before you say "come in".
This is what you find in the press around checking the mandatory use of a condom:
"Die Kondompflicht lässt sich praktisch nicht überwachen.
Mitarbeiterinnen des Ordnungs- oder Gesundheitsamtes müssten sich als Sexarbeiterin ausgeben, um die Freier zu kontrollieren. Dies wäre aus logistischen und ethischen Gründen nicht umsetzbar.
Ob solche Anzeigen zu Bußgeldverfahren führen, ist jedoch unklar. Denn meist handelt es sich um intime Situationen ohne Zeugen. ".
"It is virtually impossible to monitor the constraint.
Employees of the authorities would have to spend as a sex worker to control the suitors. This would not be feasible for logistical and ethical reasons.
Whether such indications lead to fines proceedings, however, is unclear. For the most part they are intimate situations without witnesses. ".
HB.
I am not a 100% sure but from my perspective the authorities are not allowed to enter the rooms without knocking. And probably they are not allowed to enter before you say "come in".
HB.Thank for update HB.
This is what I figured. I don't see any possibilities for authorities to control that new law. Except the officers that play roles of the customers or working girls, which doesn't look realistic either. I would assume it will take a few weeks until both visitors and WG realize that.
Banana Boi
06-23-17, 20:23
Whether polizei come in or not the girls will all use the new law to their advantage and charge 50 euro extra for BBBJ. 8 more days and we will all find out.
ExpatLover
06-23-17, 21:08
Whether polizei come in or not the girls will all use the new law to their advantage and charge 50 euro extra for BBBJ. 8 more days and we will all find out.If the girls are not stupid they will not charge 50 euros but just refuse to do it. At the end it will change what?
BboyCrok69
06-23-17, 21:20
Whether polizei come in or not the girls will all use the new law to their advantage and charge 50 euro extra for BBBJ. 8 more days and we will all find out.In this way I hope the girls will loses a lot of customer.
Whether polizei come in or not the girls will all use the new law to their advantage and charge 50 euro extra for BBBJ. 8 more days and we will all find out.I think next Friday will be the last day for the 50 euro rooms.
Member #4581
06-23-17, 21:43
It's interesting that most of us seem to be concerned only with price hikes for BBBJ and if girls will charge extra for it. Almost no one is talking about getting caught and potentially incurring hefty fines and outed / embarrassed. That could change. As HB reminded us many times, we are just speculating here and we have to see how this unfolds; but a few high profile and well publicized arrests and fines can change mens' minds quickly. Will it happen? May be it will not, but but then again may be it will. Only time will tell. I can't imagine that Germany will put this law on their books, and the only change that happens is that girls make an extra 50 bucks per blow job.
ExpatLover
06-23-17, 21:45
Thank for update HB.
This is what I figured. I don't see any possibilities for authorities to control that new law. Except the officers that play roles of the customers or working girls, which doesn't look realistic either. I would assume it will take a few weeks until both visitors and WG realize that.Why you all are willing to turn around the new law, it will be forbidden that is all and it is enough. Will be still available in many other countries like Austria, etc. , the girls who will still offer it will be blacklisted and fired from the clubs it is at least what I heard this week.
ExpatLover
06-23-17, 21:49
It's interesting that most of us seem to be concerned only with price hikes for BBBJ and if girls will charge extra for it. Almost no one is talking about getting caught and potentially incurring hefty fines and outed / embarrassed. That could change. As HB reminded us many times, we are just speculating here and we have to see how this unfolds; but a few high profile and well publicized arrests and fines can change mens' minds quickly. Will it happen? May be it will not, but but then again may be it will. Only time will tell. I can't imagine that Germany will put this law on their books, and the only change that happens is that girls make an extra 50 bucks per blow job.Many times I gave my opinion, I believe it will be more or less unavailable in many clubs, even you are ready to pay for it. The girls are not stupid and they will be very happy to follow strictly the new law to protect themselves.
Banana Boi
06-23-17, 21:57
We're not concerned about the 50k fine because it may never happen. Also, many of us are assessing whether Germany is even a consideration for future mongering trips. I'm personally taking a break until November to see where the chips land.
Personally I refuse to pay 50 euro for room + 50 euro for DFK + 50 euro for BBBJ. Add on a 70 euro entry fee and you're at 220 euro average if you only find 1 girl, 185 euro average for 2 girls, 173 euro average for 3 girls, etc.
Hopefully NRW pricing structure still sticks and for 30 minutes it's 50 euro with standard DFK inclusive + 25 euro BBBJ + 60 euro or less entry (GT price).
Compare this to say Montreal, Canada where you can get a pretty decent looking 18-20 year old escort for 135 euro per HOUR. Toronto, Canada prices just slightly higher. 30 minutes is 80 to 107 euro per half hour. DFK and BBBJ is standard at any reputable agency. Service is better than standard Romanians. Girls are almost all friendly and not sharky. Closer to the USA for those from there so cheaper airfare. Only downfall is no face pics but girls now have Twitter and you can get a pretty good sense on their faces from some of the videos they post. Even if you bat 50% on hot faces you're still ahead.
Hessen Bub
06-23-17, 22:11
Except the officers that play roles of the customers or working girls,.Why should they play the role of the customers? And I don't see any officer playing a WG and risking that she "has to do" CBJ and covered full sex when the guy complies with the law.
HB.
Personally I refuse to pay 50 euro for room + 50 euro for DFK + 50 euro for BBBJ. Add on a 70 euro entry fee and you're at 220 euro average if you only find 1 girl, 185 euro average for 2 girls, 173 euro average for 3 girls, etc.
Hopefully NRW pricing structure still sticks and for 30 minutes it's 50 euro with standard DFK inclusive + 25 euro BBBJ + 60 euro or less entry (GT price).
I refuse to pay 50 e for BBBJ as well. If the gal is rly hot then maybe I will pay 25 e for it. Most likely gals will give it for free if you repeat.
Dunno if there are enough tourists that will pay 50 e for BBBJ and 50 e for DFK. Can't imagine locals doing that on a regular basis bc they are use to getting everything for 50 e, LOL.
I refuse to pay 50 e for BBBJ as well. If the gal is rly hot then maybe I will pay 25 e for it. Most likely gals will give it for free if you repeat.
Dunno if there are enough tourists that will pay 50 e for BBBJ and 50 e for DFK. Can't imagine locals doing that on a regular basis bc they are use to getting everything for 50 e, LOL.If basic 1/2 HR with BBBJ will cost 100 Euros + entry fee this will make me visiting Germany less. Standard 1 HR session with reputable Escort Agency in Toronto is $250 CAD / HR. Which is about 170 EURO. This includes DFK, BBBJCIM, DIGITS, MSOG, DATY. Some girl include anal some charge $50 Extra for anal. I like FKK concept more than escort. However I am trying to spend money wisely.
I guess most of girls will keep charging 50 Euros for CIM. This will include BBBJ by default.
UltraHappy
06-24-17, 00:36
The 50 euro extra charge for BBBJ sounds like something that some of the girls will try to foist on the tourist-tourists (infrequent tourists / newbies). Many girls will be satisfied with giving BBBJ in a 1 hour room (sort of like DFK for many girls now).
If I know a girl already, I would have no problem committing to an hour with her. It's the girls who I've never been with that I am extremely reluctant to make any time commitment with. I would certainly refuse to pay any straight up 50 Euro charge just for BBBJ. That's ridiculous. If girls try this, I will just continue on to the next girl until I find one who is more agreeable. And if I run out of girls who meet my spec at a given club, then I will simply move on to the next club.
In any case, I'm not anticipating 50 Euro extra charges. I am expecting no more than requests for 1 hour commitments (like for DFK now with some girls).
The fact is that there simply isn't enough business right now in the clubs to support girls insisting on 50 Euro extra for BBBJ. And their business will indeed become more dire after July 1st as many guys will be taking a wait-and-see approach.
As it stands, the girls aren't making as many rooms as they'd like, even on supposed busy nights like Friday and Saturday nights. If any of you are paying 50 Euros extra for BBBJ in July, you're letting the girls play you for a chump. Seriously.
I mean, you don't have to spend that long in the club, observing the girls to see how long it takes for each of them to coax a room out of all of the guys in the entire club (on average I mean). I mean, just look at the Oase key board at any given moment in the night and how many girls are in the club and you'll instantly know how many girls are in the room versus walking around in the club. Yes, they are making some rooms on busy nights, but nowhere near as many as they'd like. Everyone should remember this simple fact. You have the upper-hand in negotiations in any FKK at the moment.
ExpatLover
06-24-17, 07:27
The 50 euro extra charge for BBBJ sounds like something that some of the girls will try to foist on the tourist-tourists (infrequent tourists / newbies). Many girls will be satisfied with giving BBBJ in a 1 hour room (sort of like DFK for many girls now).
If I know a girl already, I would have no problem committing to an hour with her. It's the girls who I've never been with that I am extremely reluctant to make any time commitment with. I would certainly refuse to pay any straight up 50 Euro charge just for BBBJ. That's ridiculous. If girls try this, I will just continue on to the next girl until I find one who is more agreeable. And if I run out of girls who meet my spec at a given club, then I will simply move on to the next club.
In any case, I'm not anticipating 50 Euro extra charges. I am expecting no more than requests for 1 hour commitments (like for DFK now with some girls).
The fact is that there simply isn't enough business right now in the clubs to support girls insisting on 50 Euro extra for BBBJ. And their business will indeed become more dire after July 1st as many guys will be taking a wait-and-see approach.
As it stands, the girls aren't making as many rooms as they'd like, even on supposed busy nights like Friday and Saturday nights. If any of you are paying 50 Euros extra for BBBJ in July, you're letting the girls play you for a chump. Seriously.
I mean, you don't have to spend that long in the club, observing the girls to see how long it takes for each of them to coax a room out of all of the guys in the entire club (on average I mean). I mean, just look at the Oase key board at any given moment in the night and how many girls are in the club and you'll instantly know how many girls are in the room versus walking around in the club. Yes, they are making some rooms on busy nights, but nowhere near as many as they'd like. Everyone should remember this simple fact. You have the upper-hand in negotiations in any FKK at the moment.Just you forget to mention that it will be illegal, that most of the girls are very happy not to have to give BBBJ anymore and that some club managers already inform the girls that if they still give it they will be immediately fired. When I see the average age of the mongers including me, I think we just have to respect the new law.
BBBJ is no risk (besides the health risk) for the girl. There are no fines for the girls and no prosecution. Maybe you should carry a piece of paper with the relevant passages from the law in German, English, Romanian and Bulgarian with you.
HB.Yes, even not understanding German despite spending nearly half of the year on autobahns, I thought about BBBJ or AO, girls wouldn't be prosecuted but only clients. Law is to protect girls about their health, also not being anymore rent rooms where they are fucked for job. I think Law consider girls as victims about some risks about some kind of sex, or where they pay to live and sleep.
Also, girls already working before 1st July, would have until 1st January to be registered? Not before.
So BBBJ or AO sex can t be anymore standard services asked by clients, but if an independent girl is in love with you, she can decide to provide for You.
2 best Russian escorts agencies closed in Paris, so long life to FKK land, even after 1st July end of standard BBBJ world.
Wish for more Russian or Ukrainian girls coming to visit and work in Germany, but I love my so lovely Romanian beauties, even not at Sharks at the moment.
New FKK world to come.
I wrote so many times Sharks was my best casting in Germany, higher than VIP GT, in 2015 until last Summer, but I can't write anymore, even maybe the largest casting, but I prefer only 1 Megan sister.
PFI, if I found a Paulina but with light make up, no silicon, no Botox, duck lips, with passionate behavior like yours, she would make my day and night, taking her in wood chalet, elephant room and mirror room, for different games to enjoy.Who are the new: Andrea. Bu who was claiming to be Ukrainian, from Sofia. Liz ex World. Reddish hair Carla. Ro. Karolina. Pol, real woman Agnes. Pol, Aurelia and model Megan now at Globe, Hessen and Globe top class superstar Alice / Kate / Katalina, Karin claiming to come from Valencia, Rena. Ro, blond Jessi. De not the one at Aca and GT, very GFE behavior Ilka, now at Sharks?
What become eyes and brain dreams? To think at first sight: I want her, everybody can say she is not good in room, I don't care, I want to play with her.
I'm not concerned about the law change and will just go with the flow. Sure, I'd rather things stayed as they are, and I won't pay additional for BBBJ. I am sure that I will still have fun with the girls.
The risk of getting caught also does not concern me. As someone who used to punt in countries where it is against the law, I am familiar with these risks.
Employees of the authorities would have to spend as a sex worker to control the suitors. This would not be feasible for logistical and ethical reasons.Are you saying I won't be allowed to bang a german polizeilina from the rear? I was getting so hyped up now I almost had my bookings ready. Are you aware of what you are doing to the potential Hessen tourism industry by ruling out this possibility now?
We're not concerned about the 50k fine because it may never happen. Also, many of us are assessing whether Germany is even a consideration for future mongering trips. I'm personally taking a break until November to see where the chips land.
Personally I refuse to pay 50 euro for room + 50 euro for DFK + 50 euro for BBBJ. Add on a 70 euro entry fee and you're at 220 euro average if you only find 1 girl, 185 euro average for 2 girls, 173 euro average for 3 girls, etc.
Hopefully NRW pricing structure still sticks and for 30 minutes it's 50 euro with standard DFK inclusive + 25 euro BBBJ + 60 euro or less entry (GT price).
Compare this to say Montreal, Canada where you can get a pretty decent looking 18-20 year old escort for 135 euro per HOUR. Toronto, Canada prices just slightly higher. 30 minutes is 80 to 107 euro per half hour. DFK and BBBJ is standard at any reputable agency. Service is better than standard Romanians. Girls are almost all friendly and not sharky. Closer to the USA for those from there so cheaper airfare. Only downfall is no face pics but girls now have Twitter and you can get a pretty good sense on their faces from some of the videos they post. Even if you bat 50% on hot faces you're still ahead.Man, you're reading my mind. I was thinking depending on what happens after June 30 I may visit Canada instead of Germany for my not so cheap thrills.
BTW the girls tell me that Wednesday is the best day of the week for them.
KingOfBongo
06-24-17, 14:23
A lot seems to be worried about the condom obligation. I believe the main point of this obligation is to relieve girls from the pressure to do it because every other girls do it. It will probably become more expensive but after all 50 Euro is not that much.
What is really worrying about this new law and this is probably the most reluctant part for girls, is: the registration. They already have to register but some fear that with the new law they just can't work without those additional administrative papers. And this is a problem for girls because after, they will have to declare their revenue by paying an accountant and pay taxes. I heard different versions: something like 30% of their revenue, something like a thousand euro per month.
But Romanian girls do not care about social security in Germany, they want to make money, return to their country and forget about it. It seems there will be a transition period until first January but after that date some girls will not come back at all. Unfortunately, I think it is the most pretty girls who will try to find another country where it is more easy to work and well paid (like Switzerland?) FKKs line up decline is the most worrying thing! According to my last visits in FKK, it is already happening, it will only get worse.
Hi all,
I will be in sharks tomorrow at about 5 pm. Anyone there to grab a beer drop me a pm.
Happy mongering.
Agree with what UltraHappy writes. Business is already slow. BBBJ as 50 EUR extra makes Germany less attractive as a destination for international guests.
However, if certain WGs stipulated that BBBJ is only available for 100 E /60 min sessions or 100 E /30 minutes with CIM, then that would be a concession on both sides.
Indeed at the Hessen clubs is low business the last time (one effect Ramadan), there isn't no last chance BBBJ rally. We must wait if additional P6 business move from street walkers, apartments, escorts or RLD to FKK club scene otherwise I doubt that all German FKK clubs can survive in the future.I am curious if the average FKK customer even knows about the new July 1st laws. If men are not reading forums regularly, they might not even know about it.
Perhaps that is why there hasn't been the "last chance June 2017 BBBJ rally" that you predicted. When you wrote that, I thought, "that makes perfect sense". But maybe we were both making the assumption that everybody else thinks like a hardcore monger.
Banana Boi
06-24-17, 15:41
However, if certain WGs stipulated that BBBJ is only available for 100 E /60 min sessionsThis isn't an issue as long as 100 for 60 includes both DFK and BBBJ. However, there is a possibility it becomes 150 for 90. I definitely don't want to commit to 90 minutes with every new girl.
Anyone speak to NRW girls about their feelings after July 1? I'm really curious on clubs like GT who are strict on girls not overcharging.
I was driving through all Germany from north to south yesterday, and had a very pleasant pit stop at Sharks.
I am not a very experienced visitor to FKK's, but have visited three and made this my fourth. Favorite so far is Artemis, which I have visited 5 times the couple of last years.
I was very excited to visit Sharks, and had read many, many pages in this forum the last moths to be prepared. I arrived some minutes before the opening at 11 am, the most obvious advantage was a parking lot very close to the door. Very close to the opening there were very few girls, I counted less than 10, but they dropped in as the time went by, and in a couple of hours there were about 30.
First I had breakfast, I will call it ok. The bread and salmon was good, the socalled crabsticks was not. I wasn't there for food, but it was my lunchhour so I was happy with that. I had lunch in the garden, and what a garden! Very big and elegant, I loved the small houses around. Too bad I didn't get to try them. The garden and the poolarea must be the best in the business? I also liked the indoor-area, and tried the sauna a couple of times before playing. I must say Sharks looks like a very decent club!
I was a little disappointed by the number of girls. Most of them were young, but I like them a little more mature. Most of them looked very hot to me, but none of them were defined as my type. After my lunch I was approached by a nice woman called Angelica from Lithuania (or maybe Latvia? She was very nice and more of my type than the youngest. She had wide hips and big ass (some will probably call her ass fat), and hangers, but I like her body and her behaviour. I told her I would consider meeting her in 30-45 min. I had to watch her around a little, and finally decided to go with her. What a fantastic 30 minutes that was! I must have had sex with many hundred of WG's all over the world, this is the best BJ I have ever had! She did it excactly the way it should, my english is limited so I am not able to describe. Angelica also told me she is 42 yo, must have been the double of the average age of the girls. I like women that are like her, I will never forget her.
After Angelica I was a happy man, and just enjoyed being around this disneyland for adults. I really like the atmosphere in the big FKK's, much better than the small ones. Having my eyes resting at lots of eye-candy, you know what I mean. I enjoyed sitting in the sun watching hot girls walking by, only thing I wonderes was why don't the girls spend more time outside when the wheather is good? They for sure spend enough time inside through the year.
As the number of girls were slightly growing I understood I should have had more time, but I had to leave at 4 pm. I was about to leave when I saw an very sexy woman in the reception. She had very short blond hair, her name was Lisa. Very fit, very smiley, siliconed tits (which I don't like, but they looked ok) and in general a very sexy woman to my taste. As she entered the bar-area I approached her and we agreed on a standard 30 minutes. Her BJ was good, but not close to Angelicas skills. Lisa was from Czech and didn't understand a single english word, so our talking was extremely limited. She was good, but I think her looks appealed more to me than her sex-skills.
All in all I found Sharks a very good FKK. I hope I will be able to visit again. Too bad Frankfurt is far away from Scandinavia, and flight tickets are pretty expensive as well. I would have loved to spend more time, and then of course try the outside cabins.
Thank you also to all you seniors who have given me many good advices!
ExpatLover
06-24-17, 21:20
I was driving through all Germany from north to south yesterday, and had a very pleasant pit stop at Sharks.
I am not a very experienced visitor to FKK's, but have visited three and made this my fourth. Favorite so far is Artemis, which I have visited 5 times the couple of last years.
I was very excited to visit Sharks, and had read many, many pages in this forum the last moths to be prepared. I arrived some minutes before the opening at 11 am, the most obvious advantage was a parking lot very close to the door. Very close to the opening there were very few girls, I counted less than 10, but they dropped in as the time went by, and in a couple of hours there were about 30.
First I had breakfast, I will call it ok. The bread and salmon was good, the socalled crabsticks was not. I wasn't there for food, but it was my lunchhour so I was happy with that. I had lunch in the garden, and what a garden! Very big and elegant, I loved the small houses around. Too bad I didn't get to try them. The garden and the poolarea must be the best in the business? I also liked the indoor-area, and tried the sauna a couple of times before playing. I must say Sharks looks like a very decent club!
I was a little disappointed by the number of girls. Most of them were young, but I like them a little more mature. Most of them looked very hot to me, but none of them were defined as my type. After my lunch I was approached by a nice woman called Angelica from Lithuania (or maybe Latvia? She was very nice and more of my type than the youngest. She had wide hips and big ass (some will probably call her ass fat), and hangers, but I like her body and her behaviour. I told her I would consider meeting her in 30-45 min. I had to watch her around a little, and finally decided to go with her. What a fantastic 30 minutes that was! I must have had sex with many hundred of WG's all over the world, this is the best BJ I have ever had! She did it excactly the way it should, my english is limited so I am not able to describe. Angelica also told me she is 42 yo, must have been the double of the average age of the girls. I like women that are like her, I will never forget her.
Sorry but it seems you got a great time with Angelica why you just stayed 30 minutes with her?
...Anyone speak to NRW girls about their feelings after July 1? I'm really curious on clubs like GT who are strict on girls not overcharging.I was there last week and talked to many girls, from different clubs as well, about the after July 1st. None of them would give me a straight anaswer, probably because they don't know yet how things will shape up. However, they all seem to think they will be making more money. IMO, the days of 50-Euro sessions are probably over. I had to pay 100 Euros to get my usual services. None of them would go for 50.
I talked to some girls about these topics. What I found was that 2 girls I talked to are leaving due to the registration. At least one was open about it (Delia at Oceans) The other one kinda said it indirectly (Amelia at GT). But aside from those two, I believe everyone else I talked to about it are staying. I didn't question anyone in hessen regarding this though.
The BBBJ question is less of a trigger for them. Some of those who likes to upsell CIM will probably continue with BBBJ. Some will only do CBJ etc etc. Some haven't heard about the rule change and say they don't care or that nobody will ever check for it. So nothing changes. I believe this might be overhyped in here. But we will see.
As for lineup, I felt the June lineups were overall the best I have seen this year. So the lineup degradation you are talking about is beyond me. Ok Artemis lineup was better in the past (I didn't go there in June) 2-3 years ago easily. And some girls at some clubs haven't taken care of their bodies well enough, or has gone with wacho wrong hairstyles. But that is beside the point. Lineups as a whole in Germany since my first trips are pretty consistent. The center of gravity however moves around a bit between the clubs. Average age goes up slightly, but it is not too bad, and some clubs are better than others of renewing their lineups.
UltraHappy
06-25-17, 00:12
What I found was that 2 girls I talked to are leaving due to the registration. I wish the clubs were educating the girls that the law contains strict privacy protections for their sensitive personal information and that the law restricts sharing of sensitive personal information. By failing to educate the girls, the clubs risk losing some of their girls due to misconceptions about the law.
Some haven't heard about the rule change and say they don't care or that nobody will ever check for it. So nothing changes. I believe this might be overhyped in here.
The requirement for registrations are delayed until Dec. 2017. It is expected that the police will be checking for registrations in 2018.
Average age goes up slightlyNo like.
ExpatLover
06-25-17, 05:02
I wish the clubs were educating the girls that the law contains strict privacy protections for their sensitive personal information and that the law restricts sharing of sensitive personal information. By failing to educate the girls, the clubs risk losing some of their girls due to misconceptions about the law.
The requirement for registrations are delayed until Dec. 2017. It is expected that the police will be checking for registrations in 2018.
No like.In the recent weeks, several girls (I know well) told me that they will leave the P6 scene, just because they don't want to register (protect their family) and for them it is the opportunity to change their life.
Search1042
06-25-17, 12:13
Anyone know about the girl "Paloma"?
I was in FKK sharks recently, she was my favorite girl but she seemed uninterested to meet me when I came in another day, I'm not sure why, maybe because I took a lot of others girls and she saw. It was really quite frustrating because she was my favorite girl there. She is the skinny blond with smaller breasts and a marijuana shaped scar on her chest. Anyone know about her or have any insight on her? I'm wondering what your guys' experience is with her, or if she's been discussed here before.
Cheers!
I was there last week and talked to many girls, from different clubs as well, about the after July 1st. None of them would give me a straight anaswer, probably because they don't know yet how things will shape up. However, they all seem to think they will be making more money. IMO, the days of 50-Euro sessions are probably over. I had to pay 100 Euros to get my usual services. None of them would go for 50.Is it really the rule now that 30 minute FS sessions without CIM and anal are 50 euros? I don't think so. Most providers ended that some time ago. They are just seeking their financial interest and apparently the majority of customers have no problem paying 100 euros and upwards for what was previously 50 euros. I read where posters are saying that the girls are complaining about lack of customers. My visits to the club reveal that the girls are doing a bustling business; many times especially between Wednesday and Saturday available rooms are difficult to find. I have noticed that a particular provider who gave me a subpar session has been quite busy. I think that many FKK customers have not sessioned in places like Brazil and Argentina, for example, and are not aware of what a good performance by a wg is really about and are paying top dollar (euro) for crummy service. I will certainly want to experience what the FKKs will be like after June 30 and will wait until then to decide whether to say adios to FKKs.
Hessen Bub
06-25-17, 13:36
For girls already working there's no need to register before December 31.
HB.
Member #4581
06-25-17, 16:40
Is it really the rule now that 30 minute FS sessions without CIM and anal are 50 euros? I don't think so. Most providers ended that some time ago. They are just seeking their financial interest and apparently the majority of customers have no problem paying 100 euros and upwards for what was previously 50 euros. I read where posters are saying that the girls are complaining about lack of customers. My visits to the club reveal that the girls are doing a bustling business; many times especially between Wednesday and Saturday available rooms are difficult to find. I have noticed that a particular provider who gave me a subpar session has been quite busy. I think that many FKK customers have not sessioned in places like Brazil and Argentina, for example, and are not aware of what a good performance by a wg is really about and are paying top dollar (euro) for crummy service. I will certainly want to experience what the FKKs will be like after June 30 and will wait until then to decide whether to say adios to FKKs.M experience and observation are slightly different.
Roughly half the girls I sessioned with seemed to give good service whether it's 30 min or longer.
I took one girl, Selene, for just 30 min. She gave excellent service in all regards.
Others like Regina, Magda etc gave very excellent service not knowing if I would extend for much longer. It's a different matter that I did. But I never made any promise to them that I would take more than 30 min in my first session and they still gave excellent service.
In general, I have not seen huge declines in service levels over years at Sharks. I am talking about the last 5 years in this context.
M experience and observation are slightly different.
Roughly half the girls I sessioned with seemed to give good service whether it's 30 min or longer.
I took one girl, Selene, for just 30 min. She gave excellent service in all regards.
Others like Regina, Magda etc gave very excellent service not knowing if I would extend for much longer. It's a different matter that I did. But I never made any promise to them that I would take more than 30 min in my first session and they still gave excellent service.
In general, I have not seen huge declines in service levels over years at Sharks. I am talking about the last 5 years in this context.Guess it help that they have seen yr face before I. E. Semi-regular and not some tourists that they prolly never will see again.
Member #4581
06-25-17, 18:09
Guess it help that they have seen yr face before I. E. Semi-regular and not some tourists that they prolly never will see again.Perhaps. But many girls are also new. Selene was quite new in the club, and don't think she saw me on prior trips because she was not there at that time. Ditto with Regina, don't believe she saw me before.
I still think there is not a huge fluctuation in service levels. May be there is a gradual decline over a span of a dozen years; but it is definitely not fluctuating week to week or month to month or even year to year, like some stock market.
Perhaps. But many girls are also new. Selene was quite new in the club, and don't think she saw me on prior trips because she was not there at that time. Ditto with Regina, don't believe she saw me before.
I still think there is not a huge fluctuation in service levels. May be there is a gradual decline over a span of a dozen years; but it is definitely not fluctuating week to week or month to month or even year to year, like some stock market.Just like we deduct that gals being busy are suppose to provide good service they too observe. Maybe they saw you being friendly with other gals, stay long time in the zimmer etc.
Or perhaps you guys just have a good connection and / or they are simply good service providers bc still new in the biz.
Just like we deduct that gals being busy are suppose to provide good service they too observe. Maybe they saw you being friendly with other gals, stay long time in the zimmer etc.
Or perhaps you guys just have a good connection and / or they are simply good service providers bc still new in the biz.I've been away from the clubs for a while, but my visit this week was a success. Excellent service from my regular girl, and very good service from the two girls that were new for me. No upselling from anyone, even for my 50 e session with a girl that was new to me (Tina, Ro).
BigBuddy69
06-25-17, 18:33
What become eyes and brain dreams? To think at first sight: I want her, everybody can say she is not good in room, I don't care, I want to play with her.Don't worry, there still will be optifucks for you.
I've been away from the clubs for a while, but my visit this week was a success. Excellent service from my regular girl, and very good service from the two girls that were new for me. No upselling from anyone, even for my 50 e session with a girl that was new to me (Tina, Ro).Nice to hear that you had good time. Guess its still possible to have a decent session for 50 e if its quiet at the club, hehe.
Member #4581
06-25-17, 18:50
Just like we deduct that gals being busy are suppose to provide good service they too observe. Maybe they saw you being friendly with other gals, stay long time in the zimmer etc.
Or perhaps you guys just have a good connection and / or they are simply good service providers bc still new in the biz.But why is it difficult to believe girls still provide good services or that things change slowly? If I read reports from 2,3 or 4 years ago, people were still complaining of sharky girls, co-mingled with reports of good girls and services.
I am not saying my experiences are representative of all experiences out there. Thousands of men meet hundreds of girls in these clubs every week, and there are a myriad cross experiences altogether. No one knows what is the sum totality of them all.
But why is it difficult to believe girls still provide good services or that things change slowly? If I read reports from 2,3 or 4 years ago, people were still complaining of sharky girls, co-mingled with reports of good girls and services.
I am not saying my experiences are representative of all experiences out there. Thousands of men meet hundreds of girls in these clubs every week, and there are a myriad cross experiences altogether. No one knows what is the sum totality of them all.Not difficult to blv that you still will be able to find gals providing good service for 50 e but its getting harder as the majority seems to want 100 e.
The trend is that the service lvl is declining like stocks in a bear market.
Anyone know about the girl "Paloma"?
I was in FKK sharks recently, she was my favorite girl but she seemed uninterested to meet me when I came in another day, I'm not sure why, maybe because I took a lot of others girls and she saw. It was really quite frustrating because she was my favorite girl there. She is the skinny blond with smaller breasts and a marijuana shaped scar on her chest. Anyone know about her or have any insight on her? I'm wondering what your guys' experience is with her, or if she's been discussed here before.
Cheers!Yes when you got a "wife" at the club she might get upset when you go around and fuck other gals. Just ask YY that got a divorce from Dina bc he licked alot of romanian pussies against her will 😂.
Yes when you got a "wife" at the club she might get upset when you go around and fuck other gals. Just ask YY that got a divorce from Dina bc he licked alot of romanian pussies against her will 😂.If this is joke, it is good one. I sessioned with Paloma four times. She never approached me and never even make eye contact. If we meet face to face when walking she says "hallo". Not like other girls that usually give me a light kiss as see them. However, any time I start talking to Paloma she responding in very friendly manner and maintain conversation. She is a good talker, This is her style I guess. All in all Paloma is one the best performers among Sharks veterans.
ExpatLover
06-25-17, 19:37
Is it really the rule now that 30 minute FS sessions without CIM and anal are 50 euros? I don't think so. Most providers ended that some time ago. They are just seeking their financial interest and apparently the majority of customers have no problem paying 100 euros and upwards for what was previously 50 euros. I read where posters are saying that the girls are complaining about lack of customers. My visits to the club reveal that the girls are doing a bustling business; many times especially between Wednesday and Saturday available rooms are difficult to find. I have noticed that a particular provider who gave me a subpar session has been quite busy. I think that many FKK customers have not sessioned in places like Brazil and Argentina, for example, and are not aware of what a good performance by a wg is really about and are paying top dollar (euro) for crummy service. I will certainly want to experience what the FKKs will be like after June 30 and will wait until then to decide whether to say adios to FKKs.Never visited Brazil or Argentina but I am very happy in the big FKK in Germany. Everything is legal, so no stress to be caught by cops or pressurised by bad guys, the girls are nude, young, clean and you can see and discuss everything before you have to pay 1 euro. In which other country is this possible?
But why is it difficult to believe girls still provide good services or that things change slowly? If I read reports from 2,3 or 4 years ago, people were still complaining of sharky girls, co-mingled with reports of good girls and services.
I am not saying my experiences are representative of all experiences out there. Thousands of men meet hundreds of girls in these clubs every week, and there are a myriad cross experiences altogether. No one knows what is the sum totality of them all.This so true. I visited Sharks this week and had a great time. Now I mostly went with my favourites who I know but I also went with a girl named Dea who I never met before. Good service altogether so even when I try a new girl at Sharks I get good service. Last visit I tried Neya as my new one and got good service from her as well. Maybe just lucky picks but there is still very good girls at Sharks. Angelina seems to have calmed down too which made the whole experience better.
I go next time in July. Interesting to see what happens. I didn't talk with any girls about it, I figured they most be bored hearing about that.
The registration that is being discussed is a problem for the girls how?
Will it be a register that anybody could get out from the authorities as a public document? That I understand will be a problem.
If this is joke, it is good one. I sessioned with Paloma four times. She never approached me and never even make eye contact. If we meet face to face when walking she says "hallo". Not like other girls that usually give me a light kiss as see them. However, any time I start talking to Paloma she responding in very friendly manner and maintain conversation. She is a good talker, This is her style I guess. All in all Paloma is one the best performers among Sharks veterans.Yeah she's a good talker for sure and like you mentioned she usually doesn't approach at least not with me. I guess I wud have gone with her again if she did approach but I don't like the new deal I. E. 1 HR for DFK.
The registration that is being discussed is a problem for the girls how?
Will it be a register that anybody could get out from the authorities as a public document? That I understand will be a problem.How?. Some thoughys. Bureaucratic processes create hurdles. In addition nobody likes to know they are on some kind of Government list for supervision: it creates a climate of intimidation (however mild). Imagine if we as purchasers had to register: how would you feel?. Dealing with a foreign state's bureaucracy will be really off putting for girls from countries where corruption is rife.
The registration is not supposed to be publicly available in any shape or form.
Yeah she's a good talker for sure and like you mentioned she usually doesn't approach at least not with me. I guess I wud have gone with her again if she did approach but I don't like the new deal I. E. 1 HR for DFK.About Paloma. Yes, why pay 100 for what was 50 only a short time ago. Plenty of other options, even if unlike a couple of years ago, it is more difficult to find them
Yeah she's a good talker for sure and like you mentioned she usually doesn't approach at least not with me. I guess I wud have gone with her again if she did approach but I don't like the new deal I. E. 1 HR for DFK.It looks likes 100 for DFK becomes a new standard for the popular girls. And we expect another 50 for BBBJ after July 1st. So 1 HR session that considered to be standard falls to 150. CIM will make it 200. Popular girls now charge 50 for DIGITS or even do not allow it at all. Eventually 1 HR that include my desirable package DFK, BBBJ, CIM, and DIGITS will cost 250 or $373 CAD. 1 HR of escort in Toronto $250 CAD. This include all abbreviation listed above and in some cases even GREEK. VIP escort starts at $350 CAD / HR. And believe me VIP escort girls in Toronto look and perform way better than Paloma for example. But I still like FKK concept. So I am puzzled. Will see what happen after July 1st in reality.
KingOfBongo
06-25-17, 21:16
The registration that is being discussed is a problem for the girls how?Real problem for girls is taxes! If they register then they will have to pay an accountant to declare their revenue (I am not sure but they also need a lawyer?) I guess they can keep extras in black and only declare the minimum but it will reduces their incomes anyway. What's more, in the registration they also have to declare their address and they won't be able to sleep in the FKK anymore. Not every girls sleep in the FKK, but some does. BTW it's surprising seeing sleepy girls going down the stairs in pyjama at Sharks. Renting a flat, even in colocation, will probably be more expensive. They will have organize themselves.
From the talks I had with girls it's not a possible breach in the confidentiality of their work that the girls fear but a reduction in their income. They're not interested at all in social security.
UltraHappy
06-25-17, 21:19
It looks likes 100 for DFK becomes a new standard for the popular girls. And we expect another 50 for BBBJ after July 1st. So 1 HR session that considered to be standard falls to 150. CIM will make it 200. Popular girls now charge 50 for DIGITS or even do not allow it at all. Eventually 1 HR that include my desirable package DFK, BBBJ, CIM, and DIGITS will cost 250 or $373 CAD. 1 HR of escort in Toronto $250 CAD. This include all abbreviation listed above and in some cases even GREEK. VIP escort starts at $350 CAD / HR. And believe me VIP escort girls in Toronto look and perform way better than Paloma for example. But I still like FKK concept. So I am puzzled. Will see what happen after July 1st in reality.Except that your new FKK pricing above is little more than wishful thinking on the part of the girls. This wishful thinking will only be successful with some of the occasional tourists and the Asian suckers who don't know any better.
Claude Challe
06-25-17, 21:28
It looks likes 100 for DFK becomes a new standard for the popular girls. And we expect another 50 for BBBJ after July 1st.This is a self-fulfilling prophecy, good job!
This is simply called blackmail.
And what about denunciation? Girls may think twice before upselling.
Except that your new FKK pricing above is little more than wishful thinking on the part of the girls. This wishful thinking will only be successful with some of the occasional tourists and the Asian suckers who don't know any better.I bet July would be quite interesting month on FKK scene. It is shame they do not serve popcorn there.
I bet July would be quite interesting month on FKK scene. It is shame they do not serve popcorn there.I'm guessing it'll be much the same as ever. I'm reminded of the run-up to Y2 K.
TankTank123
06-26-17, 00:03
Anyone know about the girl "Paloma"? I was in FKK sharks recently, she was my favorite girl but she seemed uninterested to meet me when I came in another day, I'm not sure why, maybe because I took a lot of others girls and she saw. It was really quite frustrating because she was my favorite girl there. Anyone know about her or have any insight on her? I have been with her since she was 'skinny Karina' at World. She knows I take many other girls at World and at Sharks and has not had problems with it. It is just her style to sit in that couch at the far end and wait for her regulars to come to her. She does not smile at me till I sit right beside her, but is all loving from that point on.
The next time I see her I must ask her if she is short-sighted. I had recently discovered that another girl I had been with for some time did not smile at me till approached because she could not see beyond 30 feet! She found wearing contacts uncomfortable and that wearing specs did not fit her looks.
Don't worry, there still will be optifucks for you.Not at Sharks nor Oase nor World since a while, unfortunately.
My girls may usually not be top performers, but sensual women if you are able to get the best from them. I always preferred class, elegance and sensuality rather than technique, and I work to make them behave like women for me.
Amount of panic concerning July 1st seems excessive to me. Is there this amount of panic on the non-English boards?
Many WGs read this board (especially Hessen WGs). If you let the "opposing side" know about your vulnerabilities, then you are reducing your amount of leverage. Would it be asking too much for you all to try to maintain a poker face? Or at least defer this panic until at least October 2017 or sometime thereafter?
These WGs also face an uncertain future, more so than us crybabies. I've only spoken to one WG about July 1st. She brought it up--not me. And she was only talking about the registration aspect. In other words, I wouldn't even know about "outlawing of BBBJ" if it weren't for this forum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leverage_(negotiation)
"Time can be a key factor in a negotiation. The party with the most patience and ability to wait has greater leverage. ".
"The side or group that is willing to walk away (when this is a possibility) has the most amount of leverage. ".
Member #4581
06-26-17, 03:30
I agree that there is too much discussion and speculation on this topic (and now, this comment of mine adds to that body) and I suppose if I were physically in Germany right now, I would be clubbing at this moment instead of writing about it.
Anyway, I think it was NeuroS who said once, and it made a lot of sense to me, but the practical impact of this law will be decided by Germans. I think, even with several thousand foreigner mongers visiting every day, German men make up majority of the demand side of the equation. Whether the law is fastidiously followed, broken, fines imposed, prices going up; all of this will be decided by them, as they constitute the much bigger portion of the market.
So, I wouldn't worry that some working girls, reading the innermost thoughts and fears of a few dozen English speaking mongers (let's face it, a few dozen poeople post most of the comments here, me being one of the worst guilty parties) and use such knowledge against us in future negotiations; we in no way can be called more than a very small fraction of the market.
And I think was it even you MCA who said most local guys may be even unaware of this law yet? Makes perfect sense. What happens when they eventually hear about and understand the legal changes, how they react, not just in Hessen and NRW big clubs but all over the country, that remains to be seen.
Amount of panic concerning July 1st seems excessive to me. Is there this amount of panic on the non-English boards?
Many WGs read this board (especially Hessen WGs). If you let the "opposing side" know about your vulnerabilities, then you are reducing your amount of leverage. Would it be asking too much for you all to try to maintain a poker face? Or at least defer this panic until at least October 2017 or sometime thereafter?
These WGs also face an uncertain future, more so than us crybabies. I've only spoken to one WG about July 1st. She brought it up--not me. And she was only talking about the registration aspect. In other words, I wouldn't even know about "outlawing of BBBJ" if it weren't for this forum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leverage_(negotiation)
"Time can be a key factor in a negotiation. The party with the most patience and ability to wait has greater leverage. ".
"The side or group that is willing to walk away (when this is a possibility) has the most amount of leverage. ".
Real problem for girls is taxes! If they register then they will have to pay an accountant to declare their revenue (I am not sure but they also need a lawyer?) I guess they can keep extras in black and only declare the minimum but it will reduces their incomes anyway. What's more, in the registration they also have to declare their address and they won't be able to sleep in the FKK anymore. Not every girls sleep in the FKK, but some does. BTW it's surprising seeing sleepy girls going down the stairs in pyjama at Sharks. Renting a flat, even in colocation, will probably be more expensive. They will have organize themselves.
From the talks I had with girls it's not a possible breach in the confidentiality of their work that the girls fear but a reduction in their income. They're not interested at all in social security.No need to register until new year for girls.
About taxes, we all heard girls telling they pay 25 on 100 per day, but their problem is who know they did pay this tax amount, they receive no receipt for this, they don't even know if it s too high or not, about money they make? They don't even know where go this money? From Hessen clubs desk to where?
In NRW, German girls declare what they want for money they make, who can control? Most of Romanians don't declare.
For example, GT girls entry is 50, free on their birthday. Same for LR.
When girls move, they become talkative about management and clients behavior.
It looks likes 100 for DFK becomes a new standard for the popular girls. And we expect another 50 for BBBJ after July 1st. So 1 HR session that considered to be standard falls to 150. CIM will make it 200. Popular girls now charge 50 for DIGITS or even do not allow it at all. Eventually 1 HR that include my desirable package DFK, BBBJ, CIM, and DIGITS will cost 250 or $373 CAD. 1 HR of escort in Toronto $250 CAD. This include all abbreviation listed above and in some cases even GREEK. VIP escort starts at $350 CAD / HR. And believe me VIP escort girls in Toronto look and perform way better than Paloma for example. But I still like FKK concept. So I am puzzled. Will see what happen after July 1st in reality.Just because Sharks became like Oase or Palace, to fuck tourists, even never had upselling problems at Sharks. For 200/ h, you can go to Switzerland with higher GFE level and illusion with real sweet social time and shower together for free, or have 2 great 1 hour rooms in NRW.
In NRW since 1 year, never heard about other extra than CIM for 25, or anal. DFK and many other games are for free and when I experience how many girls wide open their vagina when you play inside with G point. I think last night, starting with 1 finger, no problem to put easily 3 in her really relaxed woman vagina, if I had time but it was close to the end, but maybe opening her more for all the hand, and she didn't take off my hand which was in liquid. Some also seem to enjoy sweet deep caresses from behind. Only 100 for at least 1 hour, for poor guys like me who can t anymore afford new Sharks and Oase upselling rates. Only Oase yellow mushi is still on my rate. But when I see Megan sexy photos, I won t resist for long to push fast to Zurich. I m proud she remembers for fashion hands and feet nails, for classy, sophisticated look.
Anyone know about the girl "Paloma"?
I was in FKK sharks recently, she was my favorite girl but she seemed uninterested to meet me when I came in another day, I'm not sure why, maybe because I took a lot of others girls and she saw. It was really quite frustrating because she was my favorite girl there. She is the skinny blond with smaller breasts and a marijuana shaped scar on her chest. Anyone know about her or have any insight on her? I'm wondering what your guys' experience is with her, or if she's been discussed here before.
Cheers!Paloma is working since long time in Hessen, before at World. Not pretty face enough and too thin for me, even I like slim girls, but really too thin. But she looks friendly.
Maybe she thought, after your many other girls, it would be too hard job for her.
Some girls don't want you go with other girls, my problem with most of my regulars, I think only Megan accepted for Ariana, even she didn't like nor understand because she knows she is much prettier, but Ariana was so fresh GFE. Now I will also have to explain and work hard again for Kate even she is a busy superstar. Of course, most of girls don t care if guys go with other girls because they are just money, but sometimes some girls may not want to go with you and prefer to lose your money. For some girls, not for only once, they would never behave the same after seeing you going with another girl, not only angry for once.
ExpatLover
06-26-17, 08:05
Real problem for girls is taxes! If they register then they will have to pay an accountant to declare their revenue (I am not sure but they also need a lawyer?) I guess they can keep extras in black and only declare the minimum but it will reduces their incomes anyway. What's more, in the registration they also have to declare their address and they won't be able to sleep in the FKK anymore. Not every girls sleep in the FKK, but some does. BTW it's surprising seeing sleepy girls going down the stairs in pyjama at Sharks. Renting a flat, even in colocation, will probably be more expensive. They will have organize themselves.
From the talks I had with girls it's not a possible breach in the confidentiality of their work that the girls fear but a reduction in their income. They're not interested at all in social security.Many correct details, just one if the girls register, they will have no choice, the newcomers need already to register for the 1st of July, the other one can wait until December. The big issue for many girls is to keep confidentiality with their family and how to manage this point if you show your passport with the address at home from your family, this is mostly true for the young girls or for the one living in the FKK. But many girls will have no choice so they will take the risk, BBBJ will also most probably no more be available in 90% of the cases.
Claude Challe
06-26-17, 08:38
I agree that there is too much discussion and speculation on this topic (and now, this comment of mine adds to that body) and I suppose if I were physically in Germany right now, I would be clubbing at this moment instead of writing about it.
Anyway, I think it was NeuroS who said once, and it made a lot of sense to me, but the practical impact of this law will be decided by Germans. I think, even with several thousand foreigner mongers visiting every day, German men make up majority of the demand side of the equation. Whether the law is fastidiously followed, broken, fines imposed, prices going up; all of this will be decided by them, as they constitute the much bigger portion of the market.
So, I wouldn't worry that some working girls, reading the innermost thoughts and fears of a few dozen English speaking mongers (let's face it, a few dozen poeople post most of the comments here, me being one of the worst guilty parties) and use such knowledge against us in future negotiations; we in no way can be called more than a very small fraction of the market.
And I think was it even you MCA who said most local guys may be even unaware of this law yet? Makes perfect sense. What happens when they eventually hear about and understand the legal changes, how they react, not just in Hessen and NRW big clubs but all over the country, that remains to be seen.This market has been spoiled by tourists, particularly in clubs like Sharks and Oase.
Only some do behave like locals or even better and have certain ethics.
Many posters seem unwilling to accept that prices are going to increase from July 1. What they don't realize is that many punters have in fact already been paying higher prices. What do you expect the girls to do? Do you expect them not to take the opportunity to raise their rates even higher? Its called capitalism my friend and we live under a capitalist system. If the customer is willing to pay more why not charge more? We must be prepared to fork out more Euros.
Many posters seem unwilling to accept that prices are going to increase from July 1. What they don't realize is that many punters have in fact already been paying higher prices. What do you expect the girls to do? Do you expect them not to take the opportunity to raise their rates even higher? Its called capitalism my friend and we live under a capitalist system. If the customer is willing to pay more why not charge more? We must be prepared to fork out more Euros.Maybe in touristic Hessen, but fortunately not in NRW even at touristic Vip GT which was not crowded yesterday Sunday and empty in the evening, so even German girls seem happy with 1 hour for 100 and don t ask for extra. No upselling in NRW at the moment.
German clubs are less and less crowded even before the law, many girls cry about lack of business, they just have to behave to get business and regulars. Top girls in NRW make 1000 per day on week end and pay 50 for entry.
UltraHappy
06-26-17, 12:32
Many posters seem unwilling to accept that prices are going to increase from July 1. What they don't realize is that many punters have in fact already been paying higher prices. What do you expect the girls to do? Do you expect them not to take the opportunity to raise their rates even higher? Its called capitalism my friend and we live under a capitalist system. If the customer is willing to pay more why not charge more? We must be prepared to fork out more Euros.I can only tell you what I have been personally paying based on my personal experience. I have not been paying for anything more than simply time-in-room.
I can only tell you my observations of low business and that the girls are now not doing as many rooms as before (that is, compared to years past).
I can only tell you of the desperation I observe of the girls who are trying to make their rooms for the night.
I can only tell you how happy the girls are for me to pay them the standard rates (especially for long rooms).
When I do the math, actual payments + low demand-side business + desperation, the result of my mathematical computation is no price increase for me. But perhaps I made an error in my math somewhere? We will find out shortly.
If you are inclined to pay more than me (or more than you need to), the girls will gladly accept your donations. So, please feel free to pay above standard rates.
About taxes, we all heard girls telling they pay 25 on 100 per day, but their problem is who know they did pay this tax amount, they receive no receipt for this, they don't even know if it s too high or not, about money they make? They don't even know where go this money? From Hessen clubs desk to where?
Maybe you don't see "real women angels" - whatever that means? Anymore at Hessen clubs. But stop writing additional things where you know nothing. Ofc the girls get a receipt for her daily tax downpaiment at Hessen FKK clubs.
BTW line up at the Frankfurt big FKK clubs still ways better than at dirty and boring ACA, or small and crowded LR or at GT full with MILFs and inside an atmosphere like main train station at rush hour.
No need to register until new year for girls.
About taxes, we all heard girls telling they pay 25 on 100 per day, but their problem is who know they did pay this tax amount, they receive no receipt for this, they don't even know if it s too high or not, about money they make? They don't even know where go this money? From Hessen clubs desk to where?
In NRW, German girls declare what they want for money they make, who can control? Most of Romanians don't declare.
For example, GT girls entry is 50, free on their birthday. Same for LR.
When girls move, they become talkative about management and clients behavior.True. Don't buy all you hear. Untill we get blockchain currencies and move away from cash, it is all free for all. But the downside is the feminists argument of pimps. As soon as we get these blockchains up and running, the pimp argument vanishes over night, and prostitution gets universally legal. However girls might have to pay taxes also then. But who knows what happens to the tax system with blockchain currencies too. We might just as well stop taxing labor and move 100% onto taxing wealth instead.
On the note of pimps, Tugrid is starting to sound like one...
The one thing that will increase the income for the girls is higher numbers of customers. If the visitor number and session rates at german fkk's goes beyond a certain point, then the market should feel strain and prices would go up according to standard economics. However, lack of rooms at some clubs, overcrowdedness at some, while other clubs lack visitors, and the uneven weekend/weekday crowd numbers are factors worth looking at. But in the end the willingness to pay is perhaps the most important factor. Throughout a year I only spend a certain amount of money on girls in fkk's. That budget won't change no matter how much they try or manage to upsell me... the total amount I spend throughout a year is a fixed total pie. If I stop attending fkk's due to lower service and too much upsells, as well as uninterresting girls, the pie is moved elsewhere... only I choose who gets to eat of my own moneypie...
Not at Sharks nor Oase nor World since a while, unfortunately.
My girls may usually not be top performers, but sensual women if you are able to get the best from them. I always preferred class, elegance and sensuality rather than technique, and I work to make them behave like women for me.Then you can't have seen the new girl in Sharks. Kate from Romania. OMG. She began to work in the club 22 June. I think you will drive your car again many miles for her.
And Angelina in World. Didn't you like her also?
Maybe you don't see "real women angels" - whatever that means? Anymore at Hessen clubs. But stop writing additional things where you know nothing. Ofc the girls get a receipt for her daily tax downpaiment at Hessen FKK clubs.
BTW line up at the Frankfurt big FKK clubs still ways better than at dirty and boring ACA, or small and crowded LR or at GT full with MILFs and inside an atmosphere like main train station at rush hour.Who is as sexy as Kate or as classy look as Ina. Ro in Hessen at the moment? Both worked at Aca. Kate would be a busy superstar at Sharks like at GT, and she is very honest. Ina is prettier and classier, taller, slim, white skin, with green eyes and dark blond. I think she told me she is still on Wellcum website. Also little doll Barbara for only 40.
About tax receipt, just got information from a German and a Romanian girls ex Sharks. They never had any receipt back, they don't know if 25 € per day is correct about money they made. Maybe Mainhattan staff is more honest with girls about tax.
Of course, most of girls don t care if guys go with other girls because they are just money, but sometimes some girls may not want to go with you and prefer to lose your money. For some girls, not for only once, they would never behave the same after seeing you going with another girl, not only angry for once.The same when you see her go to the zimmer with ugliest, LOL.
Don't feel attracted anymore.
True. Don't buy all you hear. Untill we get blockchain currencies and move away from cash, it is all free for all. But the downside is the feminists argument of pimps. As soon as we get these blockchains up and running, the pimp argument vanishes over night, and prostitution gets universally legal.Ah yes, I can see it now. "Excuse me, do you take ether? Litecoin? Steemit? No? What kind of operation are you running here!
The exchanging of wallet information will be a ripper, imagine the confirmation times for bitcoin!
KingOfBongo
06-26-17, 16:17
No need to register until new year for girls.
About taxes, we all heard girls telling they pay 25 on 100 per day, but their problem is who know they did pay this tax amount, they receive no receipt for this, they don't even know if it s too high or not, about money they make? They don't even know where go this money? From Hessen clubs desk to where?
In NRW, German girls declare what they want for money they make, who can control? Most of Romanians don't declare.
For example, GT girls entry is 50, free on their birthday. Same for LR.
When girls move, they become talkative about management and clients behavior.Actually, there is already some kind of obligation to register and that is the reason why the police makes controls. If they get caught once they have to regularize and if they don't at the second time then I suppose they start to have problems.
From what I understood, there is a transition period, for the registration under the new law, until first January 2018. But it is not as though they can start to look for the papers to fill at the first January 2018, they have to be ready for 2018.
And from what I understood, once you're registered you have to declare revenue, pay taxes and some extra costs like an accountant. It would be very nice if was wrong because I believe that the most pretty girls won't come back for that reason and that FKKs will be full of average or unattractive girls.
Hessen Bub
06-26-17, 17:30
It looks likes 100 for DFK becomes a new standard for the popular girls. And we expect another 50 for BBBJ after July 1st. So 1 HR session that considered to be standard falls to 150.Boycott the girls demanding that kind of money.
HB.
Then you can't have seen the new girl in Sharks. Kate from Romania. OMG. She began to work in the club 22 June. I think you will drive your car again many miles for her.
And Angelina in World. Didn't you like her also?I know 2 Kate but not yours.
Jolie Anjelina is cute and sweet at World, but average skin and care compare to Megan or Madi who is or was top level for body care.
On next week end I plan to drive from Duss to Zurich at night to avoid traffic in Koln, but no pit stop planned in Hessen.
The same when you see her go to the zimmer with ugliest, LOL.
Don't feel attracted anymore.I meant some girls don't forgive you when you go with another one, when they don't care what other guys go, some girls ask you not to go with others, Globe busy superstar said to be jealous about my friend Isabella, when I went to Globe for her.
When her class and elegance made me dream so often, about 40 rooms for 60 hours in less than 5 months, but she arrived on this Saturday with really a face and eyes like if she was gang banged all night, even her vagina was more fresh than last week end [Deleted by Admin]. Also too many lies, so light turned off after our room, better to avoid LR, many choices to enjoy at GT. Even my best ever in FKK, but 3 really high level at GT to make improve, 1 lost, many to come.
So, I wouldn't worry that some working girls, reading the innermost thoughts and fears of a few dozen English speaking mongers (let's face it, a few dozen poeople post most of the comments here, me being one of the worst guilty parties) and use such knowledge against us in future negotiations; we in no way can be called more than a very small fraction of the market.
Yah you are right. The WGs are probably not gaining insight from ISG but rather via face-to-face interactions with their concerned clients. For news articles like say from Washington Post, it is said that 1 in 1000 readers usually feel compelled to post a comment. So, conservatively, we can say thousands of mongers first learned about the new laws via ISG posts. In other words, ISG fueled the concern. My original point was: both the salesperson and the prospect can gain an upper advantage if they have some insight on the opposing side.
ExpatLover
06-26-17, 20:41
Actually, there is already some kind of obligation to register and that is the reason why the police makes controls. If they get caught once they have to regularize and if they don't at the second time then I suppose they start to have problems.
From what I understood, there is a transition period, for the registration under the new law, until first January 2018. But it is not as though they can start to look for the papers to fill at the first January 2018, they have to be ready for 2018.
And from what I understood, once you're registered you have to declare revenue, pay taxes and some extra costs like an accountant. It would be very nice if was wrong because I believe that the most pretty girls won't come back for that reason and that FKKs will be full of average or unattractive girls.The registration delay will apply only for the girls older than 21 and who are already working in the club, if she wants to change club or if she just arrived in Germany she will have to register. Today the girls are paying 25 euros per day to the club which is paying the tax office (they copy the ID card every day from the girl), after the 1st July the girls will have to pay the income tax to the tax office, more complicated for the young girls without good connections. The clever girls are registered, so they can change club easily and make good money in the coming months.
Many posters seem unwilling to accept that prices are going to increase from July 1. Maybe I am selecting interpreting what I read, but I think the consensus is that the WGs will indeed increase their rates.
The debate is will they get away with it. Will it alienate customers and force them to seek out alternatives? How price sensitive are the customers? Some local German mongers are working class.
Claude Challe
06-26-17, 21:29
This is a self-fulfilling prophecy, good job!
This is simply called blackmail.
And what about denunciation? Girls may think twice before upselling.I don't know why they would ask more money for a more limited service.
If it becomes an unsatisfying experience, the clubs will close.
Maybe I am selecting interpreting what I read, but I think the consensus is that the WGs will indeed increase their rates.
The debate is will they get away with it. Will it alienate customers and force them to seek out alternatives? How price sensitive are the customers? Some local German mongers are working class.Do you see the cars in the parking lot? Those are not working class cars. Dudes are already paying higher prices, the girls are rightfully fancying their chances. I have been here for one month now and have only done 50 euro half hour sessions with FS, BBBJ and DATY. Good news is that I've checked with all the girls I have sessioned and I am ok with them after June 30. News is that girls' regulars will continue getting the service they are accustomed to.
Do you see the cars in the parking lot? Those are not working class cars. Dudes are already paying higher prices, the girls are rightfully fancying their chances. I have been here for one month now and have only done 50 euro half hour sessions with FS, BBBJ and DATY. Good news is that I've checked with all the girls I have sessioned and I am ok with them after June 30. News is that girls' regulars will continue getting the service they are accustomed to.Don't think German locals who are still able to fuck, agree to pay more expensive than rate 50/30 mn. Only old or not able to fuck pay more expensive for girls to accept to go with them. Also some tourists and Asians pay more, also to be sure girls want to go with them.
ExpatLover
06-26-17, 22:00
Do you see the cars in the parking lot? Those are not working class cars. Dudes are already paying higher prices, the girls are rightfully fancying their chances. I have been here for one month now and have only done 50 euro half hour sessions with FS, BBBJ and DATY. Good news is that I've checked with all the girls I have sessioned and I am ok with them after June 30. News is that girls' regulars will continue getting the service they are accustomed to.I would not be so optimistic, the club management is putting strong pressure to the girls to stop BBBJ the 1st of July or they will be fired. For example in Italy or France it is difficult to find a prostitute giving a BJ without condom why this will not be the same in Germany? The girls are very happy also not to be anymore "obliged" to do it.
Hessen Bub
06-26-17, 22:23
Posted it before: BBBJ and sex is 50€/30 min. Now they reduce service levels and offer CBJ only. So shouldn't the new price be 30€ or 40€ per 30 min?
HB.
ExpatLover
06-26-17, 22:29
Posted it before: BBBJ and sex is 50/30 min. Now they reduce service levels and offer CBJ only. So shouldn't the new price be 30 or 40 per 30 min?
HB.Yes, you are right but you forget the key driver of any market and in the P6 one it seems that the offer will reduce at least in quantity (some Romanian girls already left, some young one will not register etc.), probably less girls, a bit older (more experienced) could lead to a price increase.
Ah yes, I can see it now. "Excuse me, do you take ether? Litecoin? Steemit? No? What kind of operation are you running here!
The exchanging of wallet information will be a ripper, imagine the confirmation times for bitcoin!In the future there will probably be a new set of centralized coins. And it will run as fast as any payment today. You'll probably have a chip in your hand, or a tatoo to pay with.
But also, a playform like the etherium will probably automate everything else too. So no need for accountants. In 10 years, given that the blockchain technology doesnt get political obstacles, every single economics job will be outdated. Except maybe for the long term investors. If you count those... then again, that will probably mean doom and gloom for the banking sector in Frankfurt too...
Do you see the cars in the parking lot? Those are not working class cars. Dudes are already paying higher prices, the girls are rightfully fancying their chances. I have been here for one month now and have only done 50 euro half hour sessions with FS, BBBJ and DATY. Good news is that I've checked with all the girls I have sessioned and I am ok with them after June 30. News is that girls' regulars will continue getting the service they are accustomed to.And some of these girls have been selling sex for 10 years already and travelled all over Europe. A nice Audi is what, 50 000 euro? Many of the nicest cars at the parking lots are owned either by the girls, or their loverboys/pimps.
Do you see the cars in the parking lot? Those are not working class cars.Yes and I've also seen Fork Kas and Opel Corsa in the parking lot.
Dudes are already paying higher prices, the girls are rightfully fancying their chances.I personally know some of the German guys driving luxury cars. And some of them take 0-1 rooms a day. These men may be often in the club, but they are not all hardcore addicts like you and I. You mentioned being a month on the ground (presumably from another continent). These same German men can't be bothered to drive two hours to attend another club!! Also, I've met Americans and Asians that are spending 500-1000 EUR a night but renting an Opel Corsa. Some of these big spenders even sleep in their car. Or some take public transportation.
Outside of Evita and Mia there aren't that many WGs that are constantly booked. Sandra, Sandy, Janine are booked, but some of that demand might be due to "scarcity" I. E. Not working every day. Rest of the girls, I mostly see desperation and slow business as Ultra Happy notes.
What leads you to believe that "dudes are paying higher prices"? Speaking with men? Speaking with WGs? Observation?
Delta Indigo
06-27-17, 00:23
Posted it before: BBBJ and sex is 50/30 min. Now they reduce service levels and offer CBJ only. So shouldn't the new price be 30 or 40 per 30 min?
HB.And I think the chance is 70% that nothing will change. The girls will try no doubt but give up fast.
Posted it before: BBBJ and sex is 50/30 min. Now they reduce service levels and offer CBJ only. So shouldn't the new price be 30 or 40 per 30 min?
HB.Wish you well with that approach. 6 girls last week at Sharks all said they would charge extra for it and one said she would simply stop doing BBBJ.
I agree with the comments that it WiLL change for a short while until the division in the clubs arrive whereby some girls include BBBJ as they always did and they will be popular and those upselling it will not. It will then revert back to normal.
Member #4581
06-27-17, 01:24
This is an interesting article worth a read. Not on the subject of mongering, but since people keep linking expensive cars to a measure of wealth and net worth, I thought I would post this.
Obviously, there are always exceptions, but in my experience, the observations made in this article are spot on. Perhaps in countries where inheritance is a big part of people's networth this article is less relevant, but in modern societies where most rich people are self made, I think the author of this article is quite accurate.
http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/s/stanley-millionaire.html
On the subject of Janine, it is unclear if she is even engaged in commercial activity anymore. The dudes who hang out with her and cockblock her from other men, are themselves active mongers. But they tag team her - one or two are actively working the floor and go with other girls while a couple more are guarding her (chastity??) and the monger dudes return and the guarding dudes move onto the floor to seek their own sessions. For some reason, she seems fine with all this, to my great frustration 2 weeks ago.
Yes and I've also seen Fork Kas and Opel Corsa in the parking lot.
I personally know some of the German guys driving luxury cars. And some of them take 0-1 rooms a day. These men may be often in the club, but they are not all hardcore addicts like you and I. You mentioned being a month on the ground (presumably from another continent). These same German men can't be bothered to drive two hours to attend another club!! Also, I've met Americans and Asians that are spending 500-1000 EUR a night but renting an Opel Corsa. Some of these big spenders even sleep in their car. Or some take public transportation.
Outside of Evita and Mia there aren't that many WGs that are constantly booked. Sandra, Sandy, Janine are booked, but some of that demand might be due to "scarcity" I. E. Not working every day. Rest of the girls, I mostly see desperation and slow business as Ultra Happy notes.
What leads you to believe that "dudes are paying higher prices"? Speaking with men? Speaking with WGs? Observation?Actually I've seen more than 2 girls who are constantly booked to the extent that I can't even get to talk to them. Same with Evita whose name I discovered via her friend Aphrodite. Is Evita that good? I doubt it; guys probably session her for her looks and she may not even do 50 euro rooms; I'm not sure, but she's hot. I banged her less sizzling friend Aphrodite who I would rate as below average in the sack in comparison to say a Brazilian or Salvadorean provider but good in terms of FKK.
What leads you to believe that "dudes are paying higher prices"? Speaking with men? Speaking with WGs? Observation?Drooling over Evita made me forget the reason I responded to you in the first place. I have chatted with some providers who have outright told me they are not doing 50 Euro sessions and they have been fairly busy. I know it is not age discrimination because some of their customers are older than me. If, in fact, these customers are paying 50 euros then perhaps its possible that word has gotten around that I do multiple positions during the 30 minutes. In any event many blokes go to the rooms for one hour or more which could be yielding to upselling.
I am visiting Germany in mid July, and, in view of the scale of sharkiness at Sharks, plan on not going there (Sharks).( I take UH's point elsewhere that all clubs will change, but I feel that Sharks and a few others are likely to be the vanguard in trying to increase prices) If I'm not there then the girls can't even try to charge me more LOL.
Yes and I've also seen Fork Kas and Opel Corsa in the parking lot.
I personally know some of the German guys driving luxury cars. And some of them take 0-1 rooms a day. These men may be often in the club, but they are not all hardcore addicts like you and I. You mentioned being a month on the ground (presumably from another continent). These same German men can't be bothered to drive two hours to attend another club!! Also, I've met Americans and Asians that are spending 500-1000 EUR a night but renting an Opel Corsa. Some of these big spenders even sleep in their car. Or some take public transportation.
Outside of Evita and Mia there aren't that many WGs that are constantly booked. Sandra, Sandy, Janine are booked, but some of that demand might be due to "scarcity" I. E. Not working every day. Rest of the girls, I mostly see desperation and slow business as Ultra Happy notes. Lovely Sandra and Mandy deserve to have good business, for their behavior, kindness and honesty. They are German, but no extra asked like Audi.
I m so poor I can't anymore afford upselling Sharks rates I read about, I even have to sleep in my car, because I save my money for my now 4 girls at GT who cost me 500 per day and when I saw Megan sexy photos, to go to Globe where Megan and my GF Isabella will cost me 1000 in a day. Maybe I will even have to sell my igloo, my ski, my bike and my clothes.
I have chatted with some providers who have outright told me they are not doing 50 Euro sessions and they have been fairly busy.
If you are a sex tourist from another continent, they know at minimum you have already invested a minimum of 1000 EUR on your trip. Most international tourists I've spoken to seem to budget between 2000-5000 for their trip. If you are in FKK land due to a business trip, then they know you are probably not a junior level employee. You also mentioned being older. Typically older men from Western countries have accumulated or inherited wealth. So the WGs can quickly formulate a profile within minutes.
How many minutes into the interview, do they say "I only do 50 EUR"?
In any event many blokes go to the rooms for one hour or more which could be yielding to upselling.Watching the money locker area, I am not seeing purple notes or wads of bills exchanged.
ExpatLover
06-27-17, 20:19
If you are a sex tourist from another continent, they know at minimum you have already invested a minimum of 1000 EUR on your trip. Most international tourists I've spoken to seem to budget between 2000-5000 for their trip. If you are in FKK land due to a business trip, then they know you are probably not a junior level employee. You also mentioned being older. Typically older men from Western countries have accumulated or inherited wealth. So the WGs can quickly formulate a profile within minutes.
How many minutes into the interview, do they say "I only do 50 EUR"?
Watching the money locker area, I am not seeing purple notes or wads of bills exchanged.I visited Shark 10 times in the last 3 weeks and I must say that I was never disappointed, great and large LU, all style of girls present. Shark was not my favorite club in the past months but it is becoming more and more. Also I can see that some senior German mongers are also switching from other clubs to Shark. If you are a clean man, smelling good, older than 35 and Caucasian than you will have all the choice available even for 50 euros, after it is true that like in the other clubs some girls will not go for 50 euros if you miss some of the previous criteria specially the last one, sorry to be so direct.
Reef LostCause
06-27-17, 20:22
Outside of Evita and Mia there aren't that many WGs that are constantly booked.
Aileen comes to mind.
http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/s/stanley-millionaire.html
Interesting read. Mark Zuckerberg is worth $20 billion but drives $30 K hatchback.
German males in the 45+ demographic take great pride in their vehicles:
"They spend more on average than people from other countries do on a car and have a clear preference for high-end vehicles.
http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/transport/germans-love-affair-with-their-cars-changing-gears
ExpatLover
06-27-17, 20:31
Lovely Sandra and Mandy deserve to have good business, for their behavior, kindness and honesty. They are German, but no extra asked like Audi.
I m so poor I can't anymore afford upselling Sharks rates I read about, I even have to sleep in my car, because I save my money for my now 4 girls at GT who cost me 500 per day and when I saw Megan sexy photos, to go to Globe where Megan and my GF Isabella will cost me 1000 in a day. Maybe I will even have to sell my igloo, my ski, my bike and my clothes.Sorry I can t follow you, Shark is 100 euros per hour (+extra if any), it is the same price as at GT, Globe would be more expensive, lucky man if a girl at GT is only asking 500 euros for the full day.
ExpatLover
06-27-17, 20:38
Interesting read. Mark Zuckerberg is worth $20 billion but drives $30 K hatchback.
German males in the 45+ demographic take great pride in their vehicles:
"They spend more on average than people from other countries do on a car and have a clear preference for high-end vehicles.
http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/transport/germans-love-affair-with-their-cars-changing-gears2 comments on that, first a friend of mine is selling cars in Germany, many guys are purchasing theirs cars on leasing or with bank loans sometimes for 8 years, second just go on the parking of a hard discounter like Aldi or Lidl and you will be surprised by the cars you will see.
Hessen Bub
06-27-17, 20:45
Watching the money locker area, I am not seeing purple notes or wads of bills exchanged.Most 500+ EUR sessions will not be paid openly at the lockers.
HB.
In any event many blokes go to the rooms for one hour or more which could be yielding to upselling.Rubbish. Listen, if you are cheap, own it but don't accuse other guys of being weak to upselling.
I don't think poorly of guys only wanting to spend 50 E to cum with a hot chick, that has value if that's all a monger wants from a WG. But taking my time in a 1 hour or even 2 hour room has value for me, as long as it's mostly fucking during that time.
Most 500+ EUR sessions will not be paid openly at the lockers.Ups! How do YOU know this? I've never told you this. LOL but you're right.
Rubbish. Listen, if you are cheap, own it but don't accuse other guys of being weak to upselling.
I don't think poorly of guys only wanting to spend 50 E to cum with a hot chick, that has value if that's all a monger wants from a WG. But taking my time in a 1 hour or even 2 hour room has value for me, as long as it's mostly fucking during that time.If I say that I'm cheap I'd be dishonest. I just manage my money prudently. I'd never spend 100 Euros for the same thing I can get for 50 Euros; and I'd be like that even if I were a billionaire. Now I have absolutely no problem with guys spending double what I'm paying for the same thing. To the guys who spend 1000 Euros sessioning and talking with the girls in the room for hours I say to them enjoy yourselves, its your money. I'm happy for you and the girl.
Hi fellas,
Not been to an FKK since January as frankly I got bored with the scene but toying with idea of hitting Sharks this week. Anyway my last visit there was made quite memorable by a blonde German girl, she had thick body (not skinny) was really sweet, and just clicked with her. I rarely ever remember escorts names but I think her name was Lina or Lea. Anyone know who am talking of? Is she still at Sharks?
EuroTravel1234
06-28-17, 02:26
Hi,
Anyone knows if Lili still works there? Plan to visit Shark again.
On the subject of Janine, it is unclear if she is even engaged in commercial activity anymore. The dudes who hang out with her and cockblock her from other men, are themselves active mongers. But they tag team her - one or two are actively working the floor and go with other girls while a couple more are guarding her (chastity??) and the monger dudes return and the guarding dudes move onto the floor to seek their own sessions. For some reason, she seems fine with all this, to my great frustration 2 weeks ago.Are you sure she is really upheld from going with other guys then? I presume you asked and not just assumed she was busy? Even if she has guys as friends to sit and chat and laugh with doesn't have to mean she is always busy.
Interesting read. Mark Zuckerberg is worth $20 billion but drives $30 K hatchback.
German males in the 45+ demographic take great pride in their vehicles:
"They spend more on average than people from other countries do on a car and have a clear preference for high-end vehicles.
http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/transport/germans-love-affair-with-their-cars-changing-gearsI spotted the richest guy in my hometown at the airport about a year ago. If I didn't know who he was, I'd almost think he was someone sleeping on the street. LOL at his clothing style.
A lot of rich people hate the attention it can bring show it, and chances are you'll get mugged.
Ups! How do YOU know this? I've never told you this. LOL but you're right.I will pay you less next time. (LOL).
TankTank123
06-28-17, 07:23
Are you sure she is really upheld from going with other guys then? I presume you asked and not just assumed she was busy? Even if she has guys as friends to sit and chat and laugh with doesn't have to mean she is allways busy.On 2 occasions some time ago when I asked her whether she was free, the youngish guy, who was on those occasions just sitting beside her without talking to her, intervened immediately saying she was busy before she could answer me. She then looked away.
Anyway, having had 2 sessions with her already, I would say that she is not worth waiting for. However should she be free from her entourage, she is worth the optifuck. She is quite friendly when they are totally not around, although she makes no effort to turn on any charm.
On 2 occasions some time ago when I asked her whether she was free, the youngish guy, who was on those occasions just sitting beside her without talking to her, intervened immediately saying she was busy before she could answer me. She then looked away.
Anyway, having had 2 sessions with her already, I would say that she is not worth waiting for. However should she be free from her entourage, she is worth the optifuck. She is quite friendly when they are totally not around, although she makes no effort to turn on any charm.This cock blocking is quite annoying. So far it has prevented me from sessioning certain girls I want.
I m so poor I can't anymore afford upselling Sharks rates I read about, I even have to sleep in my car, because I save my money now.If new usual rates in Hessen should become: 100 for 1 hour to take time to enjoy and foreplay for slow guys like me + 50 for becoming forbidden BBBJ + 50 for CIM business to save vagina, like right now, then 200 per hour.
I'm pretty sure not much will change in NRW, at GT, LR and even for 80/ h with beauties at Aca. Superb Ina who would be the prettiest and classiest anywhere, she was prettier than Kate, told me guys gave her 50/30 mn, I gave her 80 for our 4 1 hour rooms and she repeated with smiles after our first room. I think she enjoyed to give me to drink her juice.
Unfortunately, 2 top Russian escorts agencies are closed in Paris, medias saying escorts were forced to come to make money in Paris, when I met so many, so many times, for so many of their tours, for years, sending me photos of kids growing up, saying they couldn't come back before few months because not allowed to tour until a while by agency, but good thing is these Russian escorts are already back in Paris, just a few days after, for less expensive. I m pretty sure a clever experienced guy will be able now to get a Russian beauty with Escort GFE level with CIM for 200 for nearly 1 hour. Lower rates than 250+50 for CIM before.
Anyway, having had 2 sessions with her already, I would say that she is not worth waiting for. However should she be free from her entourage, she is worth the optifuck. She is quite friendly when they are totally not around, although she makes no effort to turn on any charm.Yes, I have been with her. She wants to enjoy life as much as we do. Cannot really blame her. She is something to herself when it comes to FKK girls though. So a change of pace. But a fun attitude on her. I could repeat, but would need to be in the right mood. And then it wouldn't just be the optics, but the chemistry of the day as well.
Tugrid: it doesn't sound like Sharks will be your favourite club with that attitude. I think you'll like other clubs more.
TankTank123
06-28-17, 09:57
Yes, I have been with her. She wants to enjoy life as much as we do. Cannot really blame her. She is something to herself when it comes to FKK girls though. So a change of pace. But a fun attitude on her. I could repeat, but would need to be in the right mood. And then it wouldn't just be the optics, but the chemistry of the day as well.This precisely sums up my experience with her. She is the only FKK girl I have taken with the attitude that she did not really care for my money. She was chatty and cracked a number of crude jokes in a surprisingly loud and jovial voice. And her body was a sight to behold up close and caress. I could not resist just burying my face into her soft tits. But unfortunately, her service was just adequate, and so like you I would need to be in the right mood to take her again; i.e. just wanting to be entertained by a very pretty girl, without great need for sexual satisfaction.
On 2 occasions some time ago when I asked her whether she was free, the youngish guy, who was on those occasions just sitting beside her without talking to her, intervened immediately saying she was busy before she could answer me. She then looked away.
Anyway, having had 2 sessions with her already, I would say that she is not worth waiting for. However should she be free from her entourage, she is worth the optifuck. She is quite friendly when they are totally not around, although she makes no effort to turn on any charm.She looks as a doll when she smiles and play for hours with her hair. She might born blond. Beautiful body but she doesn't know how to walk on high heels, I think she never walked on before brothel, no elegance, so not really attractive.
Anyway, good for her to be paid for not even classy companionship.
ExpatLover
06-28-17, 10:03
On 2 occasions some time ago when I asked her whether she was free, the youngish guy, who was on those occasions just sitting beside her without talking to her, intervened immediately saying she was busy before she could answer me. She then looked away.
Anyway, having had 2 sessions with her already, I would say that she is not worth waiting for. However should she be free from her entourage, she is worth the optifuck. She is quite friendly when they are totally not around, although she makes no effort to turn on any charm.Shark has a lot of girls who are more enjoying the life than to go to room without end. By sunny weather just look around the pool how many young girls are enjoying the sun bath for many hours even they don't look at you, for me this is the good attitude. Obviously most of them are nice, young etc. So easy for them to make money when they want.
KingOfBongo
06-28-17, 15:52
Has anyone been in Sharks this week? How is the line up? Could you name top girls you saw, please?
I might go, or not.
GuyFromParis
06-28-17, 16:16
Aileen comes to mind.She was not so busy last weekend.
Mandy yes.
Hessen Bub
06-28-17, 16:58
She was chatty and cracked a number of crude jokes in a surprisingly loud and jovial voice.
i.e. just wanting to be entertained by a very pretty girl, without great need for sexual satisfaction.Janine and cracking jokes? Sure it was her?
HB.
Member #4585
06-28-17, 21:20
Mandy yes.Mandy and Evita are constantly booked. You need to make appointments I understand from her admirers who come from afar. Good business for them.
ExpatLover
06-28-17, 21:28
Mandy and Evita are constantly booked. You need to make appointments I understand from her admirers who come from afar. Good business for them.In the last days Mandy was not so busy, easy to get a session with her.
BigBuddy69
06-28-17, 21:54
Does someone have news of Eva?
FanOfViagra
06-28-17, 22:13
Does someone have news of Eva?She works in golden time in Austria.
Member #4585
06-28-17, 22:51
Has anyone been in Sharks this week? How is the line up? Could you name top girls you saw, please?
I might go, or not.It seems like it was a full house despite the time of year being the longest and one of the hottest. Good times.
Barbecue was served each day.
For McAdonis there was Brenda / Leya. But no Kaira.
Janine was present on Friday but not on Saturday or Sunday. Janine is constantly surrounded by her Germanic cock blockers who take turns guarding her chastity. I feel for Jnpr30 who suffered this during his sojourn in Sharks.
Aphrodite who says she is from Greek land. She has big boobies.
Diana who is slim and pretty with perfectly shaped be cup breasts. She has white shoes. She has a soft body to the touch. Kisses really nice.
Optimists girl from the gang of Diana. Kitty was it or something like that.
Vivian the red head also of Diana's gang.
Mandy the German.
Lana the German.
Paloma, also known as skinny Karina when she was working at World.
Hannah the bouncing Czech. Nice boobies.
The Lithuanian that is a real woman and goes only with one silver fox client.
Ada, the girl that look like Diana. She has silver shoes.
Nicoletta the Hungarian. Blondie.
Dina the Hungarian. She is an ice queen. Blondie.
Yvette. She is skinny and really tanned. Kisses really nice.
Ester or Esther. Blondie. Kisses if you pay her more.
Alexia for Pistons. She is well formed but soft body. She sits by the sauna couches.
Enya the blondie.
Evita, she was constantly booked every day by her paramours who seem to be practicing a form of Enjo kōsai. Her running mate Cosmina must be away. She look good so I understand Turgid who says he was distracted by her.
Amalia the younger sister. Kisses and sucks good but no anal.
Elif the older sister.
No Dora the explorer for her fans of her corkscrew style blow job and hand job.
Monika the hunter worker.
No Roxanna.
There was a pile of new girls including a cute little red head one. I let the long term local foreigners take them.
Lavinia, she looks good when she does not have her towel constantly around her ass. Nice boobies like Diana and she has so long legs.
No Hanna the black haired girl and no Helli for those that ask.
I forget many others. Maybe someone else can chime in. I need to go back.
Member #4585
06-28-17, 22:52
Does someone have news of Eva?Who is Eva?
Hessen Bub
06-28-17, 22:59
Haven't seen Eva for a while. Even after her break about a year ago her service changed, not for the better.
Aphrodite with big boobies? And Czech Hannah does have silicone.
HB.
Member #4585
06-28-17, 23:09
Are you sure she is really upheld from going with other guys then? I presume you asked and not just assumed she was busy? Even if she has guys as friends to sit and chat and laugh with doesn't have to mean she is allways busy.Janine has always got Germans around her. If its not her young man regular then its another guy taking her time chatting her up or coping a free feel.
Nicoletta the Hungarian. Blondie.
Dina the Hungarian. She is an ice queen. Blondie..Does Nicolette come back to Sharks? When did you see her?
Unfortunately, 2 top Russian escorts agencies are closed in Paris, medias saying escorts were forced to come to make money in Paris, when I met so many, so many times, for so many of their tours, for years, sending me photos of kids growing up, saying they couldn't come back before few months because not allowed to tour until a while by agency, but good thing is these Russian escorts are already back in Paris, just a few days after, for less expensive. I m pretty sure a clever experienced guy will be able now to get a Russian beauty with Escort GFE level with CIM for 200 for nearly 1 hour. Lower rates than 250+50 for CIM before.Getting same top Russians here for 110,125, 135 and 165. Half hour. 2nd half hour is usually +55. With kissing with tongue and BBBJ both included. Sometimes the best ones can be the ones for 110 also it is 100% random what price they go for... boring apartments though. So I prefer to go to fkks still even if it is more expensive given entrance cost. But for me it is also the experience of the club, and to see many girls around to choose from... competition has ramped up just the last 12 months... a few years ago there were far in between the hotties... but you can also get some of the less pretty Romanians (5s and 6s) for as low as 75e... and 24 months ago 110 was as cheap as they went... (cim is usually not standard. So you must negotiate, but I never ask or go for that anyway).
Janine and cracking jokes? Sure it was her?
HB.HB: are you serious? Each time I've sat with Jeanine she cracks jokes constantly. Really a fun girl to have a drink with. Just ashamed my German is not 100% fluent, so I get a slight lag. But I see why Germans like to hang with her. She actually has humor. For a German.
Getting same top russians here for 110,125, 135 and 165. Half hour. 2nd half hour is usually +55. With kissing with tongue and BBBJ both included. Sometimes the best ones can be the ones for 110 also it is 100% random what price they go for... boring apartments though. So I prefer to go to fkks still even if it is more expensive given entrance cost. But for me it is also the experience of the club, and to see many girls around to choose from... competition has ramped up just the last 12 months... a few years ago there were far in between the hotties... but you can also get some of the less pretty romanians (5s and 6s) for as low as 75e... and 24 months ago 110 was as cheap as they went... (cim is usually not standard. So you must negotiate, but I never ask or go for that anyway)What I wanted to mean is if Hessen: Palace, Oase and now Sharks, girls ask for 50 for DFK and 50 for undercoat BBBJ, so 200 / h and maybe 50 more for CIM which make save vagina, then they will be as or more expensive than Russian escorts, I loved to meet them in hotels, but I don't remember 1 girl in these clubs, when the prettiest at Sharks left, who is pretty enough to pay 200 for, when I won't have any problem to pay 280 for 1 hour with Megan or Katalina when she was on tour.
100 for 1 hour with DFK, BBBJ, no money talk, is my own standard rate in German FKK, only a very few high sensuality, very woman, girls deserve longer time and more to spend.
My Russian escorts are prettier and higher GFE level than FKK beauties average level I experience, even some FKK girls can compete and don t ask more money than average level ones. I even think top FKK girls upsell less than average girls, because top girls have usually good business, so they don t need to upsell like those who prefer to stay sitting warming their ass.
She looks as a doll when she smiles and play for hours with her hair. She might born blond. Beautiful body but she doesn't know how to walk on high heels, I think she never walked on before brothel, no elegance, so not really attractive.
Anyway, good for her to be paid for not even classy companionship.I meant empty doll, about her face.
Member #4585
06-29-17, 08:02
Does Nicolette come back to Sharks? When did you see her?Throughout June she has been seen.
It seems like it was a full house despite the time of year being the longest and one of the hottest. Good times.
Barbecue was served each day.
I forget many others. Maybe someone else can chime in. I need to go back.Thanks for the info!
Went to Sharks last night, first time going to an FKK. Thought it was nice but hot in the rooms. Girls looked good, saw a handful of 8's and 9's walking around. A lot of guys too, seemed like a 2 to 1 ratio of guys to girls. Met a girl from Spain and a real sweetheart Romanian named Esteffie? Would go back just for her but going to Oase tonight.
Oh yeah the drinks were kinda expensive.
ExpatLover
06-29-17, 21:44
Went to Sharks last night, first time going to an FKK. Thought it was nice but hot in the rooms. Girls looked good, saw a handful of 8's and 9's walking around. A lot of guys too, seemed like a 2 to 1 ratio of guys to girls. Met a girl from Spain and a real sweetheart Romanian named Esteffie? Would go back just for her but going to Oase tonight.
Oh yeah the drinks were kinda expensive.Sorry but I don't understand the meaning of your report, you want to go back but you went to Oase?
BadinSweet
06-30-17, 00:52
Does Nicolette come back to Sharks? When did you see her?
Throughout June she has been seen.Wait, really? Throughout June? She had her 21st BD a few days ago and I "thought" she was in still in Hungary.
I know that's what you ment siri. You should also count in entrance cost by the way. But honestly, people preference in girls vary to a great extent. Such as your Megan who I wouldn't even have paid 50 for all included. And it is good we have different taste also, or it would be impossible to get our favourites. But nevertheless, there is one thing Russians are well known for while we are on the subject, and that is a very high rate of kissing with tongue. Over 90% of Russian women I have met consider that such a basic part of sex that they never ask for extra for it. I actually think most of them never would have thought about charging extra for it if it wasn't for the state of the industry and other nationalities.
I know that's what you ment siri. You should also count in entrance cost by the way. But honestly, people preference in girls vary to a great extent. Such as your Megan who I wouldnt even have paid 50 for all included. And it is good we have different taste also, or it would be impossible to get our favourites. But nevertheless, there is one thing russians are well known for while we are on the subject, and that is a very high rate of kissing with tongue. Over 90% of russian women I have met consider that such a basic part of sex that they never ask for extra for it. I actually think most of them never would have thought about charging extra for it if it wasnt for the state of the industry and other nationalities.I just compare rates for time and girls level. 200/ h is escorts level for me, for beauty, elegance, manners and care for look, and GFE level. Club entry is for me for foods, drinks, sauna even I don t go, jacuzzi, swimming pool even too cold in Germany. When I play German, I arrive before noon to take big breakfast before sport, breakfast is very important when You make sport, if I don t find the faintest attractive girl, I will eat and drink many times, no tits milk and woman juice to drink, until 4 am for sandwiches at World or Mainhattan, sometimes eating and drinking for 18 hours for 50 €, not so expensive for hotel like Oase relax room with yellow mushi and restaurant all along.
I know Megan is too tall for your tastes, but she has Russian type round face and small model body. Most of my Romanian favs are great kisser, some like Daria LR can be passionate, and no upselling of course.
At Vip GT or last night at Samya, when I go with a new girl and after 5 minutes I say to her if she wants I prefer to take my time with her and stay for 1 hour, I get smile, kiss, no money talk and fluent room. Had again my little mum juice at 3 am, before going in my igloo.
For me, 100 for 1 hour is my good standard to work with a girl. With DFK and foreplay of course. Wait and see about BBBJ, or the end of the world.
Went to Sharks last night, first time going to an FKK. Thought it was nice but hot in the rooms. Girls looked good, saw a handful of 8's and 9's walking around. A lot of guys too, seemed like a 2 to 1 ratio of guys to girls. Met a girl from Spain and a real sweetheart Romanian named Esteffie? Would go back just for her but going to Oase tonight.
Oh yeah the drinks were kinda expensive.At last someone who is honest about guys to girls ratio. Many posters have been saying that the number of girls exceed that of guys and that its tough for girls but that has not been my observation for the past few weeks I've been here. Most times there are more punters than WGs and they have been very busy, its always difficult to get good rooms.
At last someone who is honest about guys to girls ratio. Many posters have been saying that the number of girls exceed that of guys and that its tough for girls but that has not been my observation for the past few weeks I've been here. Most times there are more punters than WGs and they have been very busy, its always difficult to get good rooms.I guess business has picked up strongly since my visit at the beginning of the month. I read that even the nearby FKK Rom has been deluged with men.
Hessen Bub
06-30-17, 12:36
At last someone who is honest about guys to girls ratio. Many posters have been saying that the number of girls exceed that of guys and that its tough for girls but that has not been my observation for the past few weeks I've been here. Most times there are more punters than WGs and they have been very busy, its always difficult to get good rooms.It strongly depends on the day and the time. Monday, Tuesday and Thursday there's usually more girls than guys. Wednesday and Sunday it's the other way round, all the wellness clientele are attending. Friday and Saturday are quite busy, different clientele in the night than in the day.
HB.
Wait, really? Throughout June? She had her 21st BD a few days ago and I "thought" she was in still in Hungary.Truth is, a working girl has the right to celebrate her birthday as often as she likes, and in particular around the dates her client is around. And the funny thing is, even if she has a birthday every day, in twenty years she won't be more than 29 yo anyway!!
The math works in mysterious ways in the mongering world.
Carpe Viam
06-30-17, 18:40
Truth is, a working girl has the right to celebrate her birthday as often as she likes, and in particular around the dates her client is around. And the funny thing is, even if she has a birthday every day, in twenty years she won't be more than 29 yo anyway!!
The math works in mysterious ways in the mongering world.It was the 14th January when Nicoletta told me the date of her birthday. She is an honest girl.
ExpatLover
06-30-17, 22:08
It strongly depends on the day and the time. Monday, Tuesday and Thursday there's usually more girls than guys. Wednesday and Sunday it's the other way round, all the wellness clientele are attending. Friday and Saturday are quite busy, different clientele in the night than in the day.
HB.Was at Shark today until 11 PM, before 10 PM more girls than men, unusual for a Friday but it seems there is a big event in Darmstadt, after 10 a lot of Turkish guys arriving.
BadinSweet
06-30-17, 23:28
Well, that wasn't the point of my post. As I found it amusing to find out that she was there when I doubt she was really there. Her last day at the club was back in May. I actually just checked with her, her last day was May 5th to be exact. And she only went back to get her stuff. In and out of the club. So, unless there is another Nicolette from Hungary, there was no way she could be in the club throughout June.
BadinSweet
07-01-17, 01:26
It was the 14th January when Nicoletta told me the date of her birthday. She is an honest girl.Nope, maybe you remember it wrong (according the her FB and her friends and family wishes).
Carpe Viam
07-01-17, 06:26
Nope, maybe you remember it wrong (according the her FB and her friends and family wishes).I wrote in January (2016) she told me her birthday date. She did not try to lie about it. Sorry for my poor English.
I didn't see Nicoletta last weekend at Sharks and neither my all time Favorite.
Went to Sharks yesterday again to session with Steffie. Took her for 3 1/2 hours. Planned on staying longer then expected. After we session she hung out with me at the bar and had a drink and chatted for a bit and I was on my way. The ratio this time was about 1 to 1. About 40 to 40. A lot better than last time. About 3-5 beautiful girls I saw. It was a nice experience coming to Frankfurt. Went to Sharks twice and Oase once and I prefer Sharks. Just the setup of the place is a lot better, you feel more open unlike Oase you feel closed in. Definitely will be back, I will miss this place. And about the new law, Steffie said that the boss told her about it but didn't feel like they will enforce it but they know they will make more money from it and I don't blame them.
GlobalPunter
07-01-17, 10:32
I'm back to Frankfurt in September, how's the new law at the club? I know its the first day but being one of my favourite clubs I'm curious.
KingOfBongo
07-01-17, 13:59
So I came back yesterday to Sharks. I preferred to advance my bi-weekly FKK visit, just in case of. I feared there would be a lot of people but there wasn't, it was as a usual Friday or Saturday. There is an additional sauna outside, was it really needed?
Two new moderately pretty girls I never saw. Lili. Ro, a real redhead, only 19, quite small, inexperienced, basic services. She looked sad and has the tattoo of her boyfriend or pimp on her body. It's not the first time I see this name. I don't think she will last long.
The second girl was Lori. Ro, thin and big boobs with right tits default, she has freckles and short curly blond hair she tries to tame. Poor services, unless more money, and strange behavior. She had something that looked like a scar on her lips. Later in the evening, members of some gang showed up. Beard, tattoes, bald and big arms. The one with Jesus (? I guessed) tattoed on his arms seems to be the dominant male. He was sitting on a sofa with one his pal, discussing and then Lori without the scar on her lips and with hair straigthen tried to turn them on. The guys touch her a little but didn't showed much interest and after a while Lori left, a little a bit disappointed probably. I guess the guy pays very well.
Line up was as usual, not very good but not so bad.
Member #4585
07-01-17, 14:41
The second girl was Lori. Ro, thin and big boobs with right tits default, she has freckles and short curly blond hair she tries to tame. Poor services, unless more money, and strange behavior. She had something that looked like a scar on her lips. Later in the evening, members of some gang showed up. Beard, tattoes, bald and big arms. The one with Jesus (? I guessed) tattoed on his arms seems to be the dominant male. He was sitting on a sofa with one his pal, discussing and then Lori without the scar on her lips and with hair straigthen tried to turn them on. The guys touch her a little but didn't showed much interest and after a while Lori left, a little a bit disappointed probably. I guess the guy pays very well.That paying well is a possibility, I daresay you would hope they paid at least the minimum tariff and not less.
A more probable answer is the girls like a bad boy hence why they do this sort of work. The badder the boy the better. The prim and proper interested in a stable life and long term job type of girls do not attract to this prostitution business so readily.
Many times you hear these girls in their unguarded moments lament over a pretty boy with good firm bodies that they can swoon over. Then these girls retract and compose themselves again saying that they admire your disappearing hair and enjoy touching your rotund tummy and patting your flabby ass.
KingOfBongo
07-01-17, 17:37
A more probable answer is the girls like a bad boy hence why they do this sort of work. The badder the boy the better. The prim and proper interested in a stable life and long term job type of girls do not attract to this prostitution business so readily.
They were not good looking, the 2 older, in their forties probably, are starting to have belly. Plus I saw a girl waiting for a subordinate to pay her. And in the morning, I also saw Lori going directly to a big fish. Lori is not that pretty for so much money. Actually, there's no more girl at Sharks worth escort rates. Unfortunately.
Lori is not that pretty for so much money. Actually, there's no more girl at Sharks worth escort rates. Unfortunately.Except Dina, Evita but we know about her specialized business and she is clever for her business, Sandra when she works, and Mandy, most of Sharks stars left, even when they were busy, like Katalina or Megan, but so many told about too many problems with some clients at Sharks, not only night type of clients. Money to make for stars, but not good and safe conditions for their hard job. Pity because club improved a lot, with many works, since my discovery on beginning of 2014. But attractive girls are the most important for me, I prefer to follow them, rather than being stuck to a place. Duss is closer for me, Zurich is about same than FRA.
Times change, but still attractive and not upselling girls in Germany. Just have to work to find them.
KingOfBongo
07-03-17, 18:15
...but so many told about too many problems with some clients at Sharks, not only night type of clients. Money to make for stars, but not good and safe conditions for their hard job. Pity because club improved a lot, with many works, since my discovery on beginning of 2014. But attractive girls are the most important for me, I prefer to follow them, rather than being stuck to a place. Duss is closer for me, Zurich is about same than FRA.
Times change, but still attractive and not upselling girls in Germany. Just have to work to find them.I don't mind upselling and paying for extra's as long as they're top attractive. Some are really worth it. I don't like booking hotel and plane just for sex. I never did, it makes me think that I am 'sexual tourist'. While when I take my car to drive around and by 'chance' make a stop on a FKK I am just a European citizen taking advantage of the Treaty of Maastricht. I know it is stupid.
But I guess as I am getting older I am getting a worse human being (to my very personal standards), so maybe, I am a bad people after all and I will follow them in Zurich.
I filed a complain on the decrease of the line up and behavior of certain customers on Sharks website http://www.fkk-sharks.de/en/kontakt/feedback/. It might have an effect, or not.
I don't mind upselling and paying for extra's as long as they're top attractive. Some are really worth it. I don't like booking hotel and plane just for sex. I never did, it makes me think that I am 'sexual tourist'. While when I take my car to drive around and by 'chance' make a stop on a FKK I am just a European citizen taking advantage of the Treaty of Maastricht. I know it is stupid.
But I guess as I am getting older I am getting a worse human being (to my very personal standards), so maybe, I am a bad people after all and I will follow them in Zurich.
I filed a complain on the decrease of the line up and behavior of certain customers on Sharks website http://www.fkk-sharks.de/en/kontakt/feedback/. It might have an effect, or not.At least, I try to be honest with myself, I don't drive every week end to visit Germany, even I like to go to Nurburgring or Hockenheim ring or Nordpark, but my pleasure is to find pretty girls. I m not only interested by sex, my eyes and brain need beauties.
Yes, Sharks fell for casting since last summer, like World fell before. Oase is for little teeny girls lovers. But can still find in Germany for 100 for 1 h without upselling, high level girls, at GT, LR, and even not so bad at Samya with real beauties. No need to go to Switzerland if you don't follow some girls like I did. Of course, Globe, History and Swiss are high level, and you can have great GFE rooms at Swiss for 89/30 mn and 100/30 mn at History, maybe less expensive than new rates at Sharks and Oase, with much higher level for skill. Shower together after room offered at Globe, History and with my girl at GT.
Member #4585
07-03-17, 19:29
They were not good looking, the 2 older, in their forties probably, are starting to have belly. Plus I saw a girl waiting for a subordinate to pay her. And in the morning, I also saw Lori going directly to a big fish. Lori is not that pretty for so much money. Actually, there's no more girl at Sharks worth escort rates. Unfortunately.This is sad.
ExpatLover
07-03-17, 20:36
This is sad.I don't understand this story and concern, I don't care about what is around or I will never go with any girl. Just a small advice, arrive 30 minutes before opening hour of any big FKK and you will see cars with RO plates, with guys inside dropping the girls to the clubs, boy friend, driver, pimp etc?
Hessen Bub
07-04-17, 10:02
I filed a complain on the decrease of the line up and behavior of certain customers on Sharks website http://www.fkk-sharks.de/en/kontakt/feedback/. It might have an effect, or not.Or not.
HB.
I went Sharks on Monday evening which was my first visit. I had my second 1-hour session with Emilia, she said she was 20 years old. Not-so-big tits but her face is definitely my cup of tea. She was so good at kissing and foreplay. I like the smell of her. Does anyone know about her?
Member #4585
07-04-17, 19:19
I went Sharks on Monday evening which was my first visit. I had my second 1-hour session with Emilia, she said she was 20 years old. Not-so-big tits but her face is definitely my cup of tea. She was so good at kissing and foreplay. I like the smell of her. Does anyone know about her?Is Emilia like Amalia?
Is Emilia like Amalia?I think that's her. Her face was so cute! No wonder when I heard this name, I felt familiar. Anyone did threesome with Amalia and her sister? BTW, do you recommend anyone with big natural tits, I would like to try big tits girl next time I visit.
ExpatLover
07-04-17, 20:25
I went Sharks on Monday evening which was my first visit. I had my second 1-hour session with Emilia, she said she was 20 years old. Not-so-big tits but her face is definitely my cup of tea. She was so good at kissing and foreplay. I like the smell of her. Does anyone know about her?So many new girls every day at Shark, you need to describe her a bit and also if you can tell where she is sitting.
The 2 sisters are a gem, must bang them both but I definitely prefer to fuck them separately so that I can enjoy both.
For natural big tits you can try rafaelle, she has massive ones. Generally sits opposite the bar on the couches leading to the staircase. Big curvy ass, decent service.
I think that's her. Her face was so cute! No wonder when I heard this name, I felt familiar. Anyone did threesome with Amalia and her sister? BTW, do you recommend anyone with big natural tits, I would like to try big tits girl next time I visit.
Member #4585
07-05-17, 08:30
I think that's her. Her face was so cute! No wonder when I heard this name, I felt familiar. Anyone did threesome with Amalia and her sister? BTW, do you recommend anyone with big natural tits, I would like to try big tits girl next time I visit.Banging the two sisters together is a lot of fun. They both really know how to work together and really get into it. You shoukd try it.
Also doing the sisters individually is also good too. Amalia has pimples though and has more restrictions than Elif.
For a woman with big tits on a slim frame then try Brenda she has black hair and looks like a deer with your car headlights shimjng in her eyes. I think she walks around without glasses or contact lenses as she misses people as she walks past them as they try to get her attention.
Hessen Bub
07-05-17, 08:43
Don't expect to much service when booking Brenda (Ex Lea).
HB.
Don't expect to much service when booking Brenda (Ex Lea).
HB.I got a not so good vibe chatting with her and avoided. Always trust your instincts. Went with a brown haired Romanian, about 5' 8" in heels, small tits but big butt (I suppose that describes most of them). I am loath to post her name as I am not 100% sure of it, please correct me if I'm wrong I think it was Lucia. Worst session this trip. Got a bad vibe as soon as we entered the room, should have aborted then. After the session I asked her name (for confirmation) and she refused to tell me.
After the session I asked her name (for confirmation) and she refused to tell me.Haha bc she knew you were going write it on the forum.
Haha bc she knew you were going write it on the forum.At the time I thought precisely that.
I prepared myself for a few Sharks visit and the most important reason that I prefer FRA over NRW was Sharks. I understood that was a mistake and recently NRW is much more preferable over FRA. I arrived the place at about 6 p. M and stayed there up to 8:50 pm. The lineup was a total disappointment. Food was one of the worst I have ever had in my life. I got a piece of beef steak from outdoor grill and it was impossible to cut this with that stupid plastic knifes. Yes they got 70 euro entrance fee and they save a metal knifes and forks. Really ridicolous. After a few hours spend and waited for LU to improve I left the place for Oase and it was a very true decision. I was in both clubs with 30 minutes time difference and Oase deserves the extra 40 kms distance. The girls there are mosly overweight and especially for faces they are terrible. And hardly understand it must be impossible to work in Sharks withhout fake boobs. They must be asking that the girl she has silicons or not. And I guess they don't accept girls without silicons. LOL. Inside of the club was not that hot. But the club was dead. Only one girl approached me and I wasnt ok with her. I didn't see the favouireted nice girls that I wanted to get my previous visit that I couldn't find time to do so. There were many girls that I recognise from previous visits but these were the ones fat and ugly. I am really sad this club lost all its charm. There must be some managerial problems. Also it was a terrible idea to cancel kinos and make them rooms. I know the long room waiting times but kino is always a nice alternative. One of my favouite activities on my FKK travels was to get a girl so Jakuzi in Sharks. I never forget to do that. Only one good thing with the club that they put a curtain to the jacuzi on right side. I don't know what is the mentality behind it but it is nice when you are with a girl there. For my next visit I will give here another chance for a Friday or Sat but for a slow day I will never come here. I will make my way to Oase or Palace. Even world was better than here on a Tuesday.
Does anyone know if Amalia work on Thursday evening?
Does anyone know if Amalia work on Thursday evening?You could call Mainhattan, World, Palace, Samya, GT, LR, Aca, PHG, Atlanta, to know if a girl is working on the day, but unfortunately not Sharks nor Oase. If you enjoy her, ask her for whatsapp or viber.
ExpatLover
07-05-17, 16:45
I prepared myself for a few Sharks visit and the most important reason that I prefer FRA over NRW was Sharks. I understood that was a mistake and recently NRW is much more preferable over FRA. I arrived the place at about 6 p. M and stayed there up to 8:50 pm. The lineup was a total disappointment. Food was one of the worst I have ever had in my life. I got a piece of beef steak from outdoor grill and it was impossible to cut this with that stupid plastic knifes. Yes they got 70 euro entrance fee and they save a metal knifes and forks. Really ridicolous. After a few hours spend and waited for LU to improve I left the place for Oase and it was a very true decision. I was in both clubs with 30 minutes time difference and Oase deserves the extra 40 kms distance. The girls there are mosly overweight and especially for faces they are terrible. And hardly understand it must be impossible to work in Sharks withhout fake boobs. They must be asking that the girl she has silicons or not. And I guess they don't accept girls without silicons. LOL. Inside of the club was not that hot. But the club was dead. Only one girl approached me and I wasnt ok with her. I didn't see the favouireted nice girls that I wanted to get my previous visit that I couldn't find time to do so. There were many girls that I recognise from previous visits but these were the ones fat and ugly. I am really sad this club lost all its charm. There must be some managerial problems. Also it was a terrible idea to cancel kinos and make them rooms. I know the long room waiting times but kino is always a nice alternative. One of my favouite activities on my FKK travels was to get a girl so Jakuzi in Sharks. I never forget to do that. Only one good thing with the club that they put a curtain to the jacuzi on right side. I don't know what is the mentality behind it but it is nice when you are with a girl there. For my next visit I will give here another chance for a Friday or Sat but for a slow day I will never come here. I will make my way to Oase or Palace. Even world was better than here on a Tuesday.You were there on a wrong day, Shark was never my favorite club, but due to business reasons I needed to stay close to Darmstadt for the last 2 months therefor it was more convenient to visit Shark on a regular basis. The LU is the best compare to any other club in Germany, with a lot of new girls every week. Yes Oase is also a great club just with a little bit a smaller LU but also a lot of young and sexy girls. Difficult to say one is better than the other, it is just a matter of taste and of day.
Member #4585
07-05-17, 19:03
1) I arrived the place at about 6 p. M and stayed there up to 8:50 pm.
2) I got a piece of beef steak from outdoor grill and it was impossible to cut this with that stupid plastic knifes.
3) Yes they got 70 euro entrance fee and they save a metal knifes and forks.
4.) Really ridicolous. And hardly understand it must be impossible to work in Sharks without fake boobs. They must be asking that the girl she has silicons or not. And I guess they don't accept girls without silicons. LOL.
5.) Also it was a terrible idea to cancel kinos and make them rooms.
6.) I know the long room waiting times but kino is always a nice alternative. One of my favouite activities on my FKK travels was to get a girl so Jakuzi in Sharks. I never forget to do that. Only one good thing with the club that they put a curtain to the jacuzi on right side. I don't know what is the mentality behind it but it is nice when you are with a girl there. 1.) I know. We was worried sick where you were all day.
2.) Metal knife and fork you can get in the kitchen. For hamburger you can eat with your fingers like in McDonalds. The pork slice is succulent and the lamb cutlet is okay if its not cooked to a cinder by the cook man.
3.) Is the entry fee 70 euro now?
4.) Many girls at Sharks have the fake boobs. It is everywhere.
5.) With the Kino cancelled there is less places to sleep when you are tired from fucking. Only on the mezzanine floor but even there the girls harass your ass.
6.) The girls still go into the Jacuzzi with you if you request and especially when you pay for their time. I don't know why the Sharks management put the screen up by the right hand side Jacuzzi. It is a mystery for me and you cannot see out anymore. Maybe it is because people fuck in that Jacuzzi so its for privacy.
ExpatLover
07-05-17, 20:48
1.) I know. We was worried sick where you were all day.
2.) Metal knife and fork you can get in the kitchen. For hamburger you can eat with your fingers like in McDonalds. The pork slice is succulent and the lamb cutlet is okay if its not cooked to a cinder by the cook man.
3.) Is the entry fee 70 euro now?
4.) Many girls at Sharks have the fake boobs. It is everywhere.
5.) With the Kino cancelled there is less places to sleep when you are tired from fucking. Only on the mezzanine floor but even there the girls harass your ass.
6.) The girls still go into the Jacuzzi with you if you request and especially when you pay for their time. I don't know why the Sharks management put the screen up by the right hand side Jacuzzi. It is a mystery for me and you cannot see out anymore. Maybe it is because people fuck in that Jacuzzi so its for privacy.Sorry but I can't agree with you about point 4, had more than 20 visits in the last weeks and only few girls have silly, if you don't like silly girls I advise you to never go to Artemis. I am very careful about this point because I never go with a girl with silly.
Have a returned to Sharks after a month of absence and the club was packed. However today I really felt that there were more men than girls. I'm probably wrong but that's how I felt some times.
BBQ outside was great, but they need to organise it better to avoid long queues only on one side of the bar. Girls playing in the swimming pool and sunbathing was a really great view and Sharks garden must be one of the best around. There was the usual party atmosphere, which I enjoy but many known superstars were missing. Cosmina. Ro, Beatrice. Hun, Anja. Alb, Lara. De, Lena. De, Tessa. De, Scarlett. Ro, Varna. Greek, were all missing (or at least I could not see them).
Top three beauties in the club today (to my eyes, obviously) were Sandra. De, Mandy. De, Tia. De. Sandra and Mandy were constantly booked and when I say "constantly" I really mean it. As soon as they came down from a room they were immediately snapped by other guys and so on for at least 6-7 hours. No wonder they went home early in the evening. The only time I found Mandy available, I wasn't ready for a session, so I had to pass!
Tia. De was not doing sessions solo as she only wanted threesomes with her much less attractive friend (I can't even remember her name, but she was brunette, had way too large sillies, silicon lips and not an attractive face). The obvious results of this dumb strategy was that 9 out of 10 guys said no! I was tempted to agree and then once in the room put her friend "behind the lines" but, as much as I like Tia, it just felt wrong and so I declined like most of the other guys. Some guys however fell for it and they gave them both some business. Tia could have had over 10-15 sessions tonight easily as there were no better looking girls around. Too bad!
What I also noticed was the large amount of very large girls in the club. I'd say more than in the past and I still can't understand how they can afford being in the club without doing any room the whole time. Maybe they have subordinates that pay them. This is the only explanation I can come up with.
Anyway, I have only had two sessions:
Ida. De, brown hair with pony tail, very nice and friendly girl. Not long at Sharks and she does not bond with other german girls. Body a bit on the large / robust side but a beautiful face and eyes. I felt immediately at ease once in the room and we had a very great time. Standard service (30 min 50 E).
Francesca. Ro, Tall, blond, beautiful face girl. She does not bond with the rest of the Romanian crowd. In the room she was a bit nervous and cold and maybe this is due to the fact she's only been at Sharks a couple of months or so. I don't think she was in other clubs before, so she has that newbie attitude. Only CBJ was on the table and I was ok with it and I could enjoy it almost as it was BBJ. I was tempted to extend but she was still rather cold even at the end of the session, so I decided against it. A very great body though, so I would repeat. (30 min 50 E).
All in all an OK night and the wellness facilities are worth the entry price alone, but I'm tempted to explore other clubs as Sharks is declining and more action is needed to attract more beauties. Maybe they should start an online survey to see which of the past girls we miss the most and they try to get them back in the club with some financial rewards. Globe in Zurich seems to be the preferred destination for German girls now and apparently many go there at intervals of about 2-3 weeks before coming back to Germany. Not sure if this is true but that's what I hear. I'm not a big fan of Globe as I think it is too hot inside and there is no outside area. So it is just not worth the money for me.
Rock!
BarryManila
07-06-17, 05:17
Francesca. Ro, Tall, blond, beautiful face girl. I don't think she was in other clubs before, so she has that newbie attitude.Francesca started at Sharks last year working behind the bar. Couple of months ago she began to work in front of the bar in a small club 30 km away from Darmstadt.
Business for her is much better at Sharks.
Member #4585
07-06-17, 07:35
Rocky V, I am just checking that your visit dated Wednesday 5 June was actually Wednesday 5 July since 5 June was a Monday and the Sharks club would not be as jammed pack with Germans on a Monday compared to a cheaper priced entry Wednesday.
Good work with the report and banging some babes.
ExpatLover
07-06-17, 07:53
Have a returned to Sharks after a month of absence and the club was packed. However today I really felt that there were more men than girls. I'm probably wrong but that's how I felt some times.
BBQ outside was great, but they need to organise it better to avoid long queues only on one side of the bar. Girls playing in the swimming pool and sunbathing was a really great view and Sharks garden must be one of the best around. There was the usual party atmosphere, which I enjoy but many known superstars were missing. Cosmina. Ro, Beatrice. Hun, Anja. Alb, Lara. De, Lena. De, Tessa. De, Scarlett. Ro, Varna. Greek, were all missing (or at least I could not see them).
Top three beauties in the club today (to my eyes, obviously) were Sandra. De, Mandy. De, Tia. De. Sandra and Mandy were constantly booked and when I say "constantly" I really mean it. As soon as they came down from a room they were immediately snapped by other guys and so on for at least 6-7 hours. No wonder they went home early in the evening. The only time I found Mandy available, I wasn't ready for a session, so I had to pass!
Tia. De was not doing sessions solo as she only wanted threesomes with her much less attractive friend (I can't even remember her name, but she was brunette, had way too large sillies, silicon lips and not an attractive face). The obvious results of this dumb strategy was that 9 out of 10 guys said no! I was tempted to agree and then once in the room put her friend "behind the lines" but, as much as I like Tia, it just felt wrong and so I declined like most of the other guys. Some guys however fell for it and they gave them both some business. Tia could have had over 10-15 sessions tonight easily as there were no better looking girls around. Too bad!Yes Mandy it always overbooked, she usually arrives at 11 AM, and it is no stop, too busy for me. The girls are paying around 100 euros for the entry, easy for them to get the money back even you think they do nothing, last Friday some girls were just talking together from 11 am to 6 PM and then they start to walk around and had session after session. Many German girls have a normal job so they do escort not sure they go to globe.
there is no outside area. There is an outside area at Globe, but it's not big and no pool.
But thanks for your Sharks report. Interesting that one of the girls only did CBJ, seams the new law really has arrived. Would she have offered BBBJ if you extended?
Rocky V, I am just checking that your visit dated Wednesday 5 June was actually Wednesday 5 July since 5 June was a Monday and the Sharks club would not be as jammed pack with Germans on a Monday compared to a cheaper priced entry Wednesday.
Good work with the report and banging some babes.Sorry, I meant 5th July (I. E. Yesterday)!
There is an outside area at Globe, but it's not big and no pool.
But thanks for your Sharks report. Interesting that one of the girls only did CBJ, seams the new law really has arrived. Would she have offered BBBJ if you extended?Can fuck girls on Globe roof terrace, 3 places, shower. Close to the sky, not so far from heaven.
Until November, Globe had warm inside swimming pool. Stupid staff, now empty lounge.
Francesca started at Sharks last year working behind the bar. Couple of months ago she began to work in front of the bar in a small club 30 km away from Darmstadt.
Business for her is much better at Sharks.Was she blondie behind the bar?
There is an outside area at Globe, but it's not big and no pool.
But thanks for your Sharks report. Interesting that one of the girls only did CBJ, seams the new law really has arrived. Would she have offered BBBJ if you extended?Thanks Nil. No, it wasn't a matter of length of the session and she does not upsell in the room. She doesn't do BBBJ now, most probably due to the new law. However, it's difficult to explain, but it really felt great anyway as she has a great technique!
BarryManila
07-06-17, 18:26
Was she blondie behind the bar?No, Francesca was having light brown hair that time.
I think you mean pretty Blondie, who used to work at the bar quite a long time. That was another girl.
No, Francesca was having light brown hair that time.
I think you mean pretty Blondie, who used to work at the bar quite a long time. That was another girl.Except Blondie and chestnut with blue eyes who moved to work on desk, don t remember top beauty behind the bar? Is she the one with very white skin and few tattoos?
Francesca was Megan when she started at Sharks on November 2015.
Mr CrankyPants
07-06-17, 22:19
Well, I finally made it out to Sharks last week. First time in any FKK, and I must say it was a hell of a time. I arrived at just after 13:00, and stayed until almost midnight. Really enjoyed the overall vibe, the layout, and of course, the scenery. Upon entry, I asked for, and got, one of the blue "VIP" robes at no additional charge. Probably made very little difference in the overall experience, but I felt emboldened ever-so-slightly anyway.
If July 1 was truly the end of an era, I'm glad I got to see it at least once before the beautiful dream started to fade. Speaking of fading, it's been a week so everything's starting to get a little fuzzy when it comes to details. I apologize in advance.
My first session was with two lovely young ladies, and right away, I'm going to fudge the names: They sit, as a pair, on a single chair close to the main staircase. One of them has brown hair with blonde streaks in it in sort of a "Rachel from Friends" style cut, on the shorter side with nice natural tits (the name is Danila? Damina? Something like that. You vets can help me out I hope), and the other was younger thin, petite, and well tatted and pierced, and I believe her name was Floria (Again, a little help). They were both mine for a very solid half-hour, in one of the alleged VIP rooms downstairs (although I wasn't charged anything extra) Floria was slightly more enthusiastic and energetic, and in the end earned the extra 50 Euros by taking a CIM. Total cost 150, and I left satisfied.
I joined my friend out at the pool, and we lounged for a bit with our drinks and enjoyed the sun and the constant parade of ladies. I struck up a nice conversation with a friendly mustachioed German monger who was very good about pointing out the sisters Elif and Amalia to me, and letting me know that the famous Mandy was indeed on the premises, but so busy that I may not ultimately catch her out and about. I made a mental note.
I also made an observation while poolside: When a woman has a piercing that makes her vagina look like a zipper. It does not make me want to put my penis into it.
This was also when I struck up the first of many quick conversations with Julia, a persistent Romanian girl whose swagger intrigued me. I rebuffed her advances while I took a swim.
After heading to the bar, I struck up a conversation with Domino, a very pretty 21-year old girl with a low-key vibe and tiny little breasts. I was minding my own business, and she was letting me. Until we just kept making eye contact. I took the bait, and we went to one of the outdoor cabanas, because hey. For my first time, I wanted the full range of experiences! Domino gave a very sweet BBBJ, and really seemed to enjoy the fact that she was turning me on. When it came time to get down to business, she happily rode me, and flipped herself from position to position, kissing me deeply all the while. 30 minutes - 50 Euros. No upselling, either. Beautiful.
So far, none of the pitfalls I'd been told (by reading this forum) to avoid had really befallen me. I didn't really see a whole lot of women that weren't appealing (some more than others, and some absolute knockouts
, but they were all pretty hot to me), no Sharky behavior, no clock-watching tricks. Just natural, unforced meetings, decent conversations that ultimately led to sex, or didn't. All while enjoying a beautiful summer day, and a nice casual vibe. It really was like being at the world's best house party.
After sampling the barbecue. Hamburgers, brats, chicken, salad. Nothing at all to complain about there. And introducing myself to Elif and Amalia (they were eating lunch, or else I'd have asked them to go with me right then and there) so that they'd be on the lookout for me later, I headed inside.
And I saw her. The kissing mouth tattoo on her right butt cheek. The huge smile. Petite, blonde pretty, and looking right at me -- It was Mandy. Like a unicorn, she had emerged from legend, and was right before me.
And she was flanked by two old dudes. Shit.
I ordered a drink, and watched out of the corner of my eye. Suddenly, she broke away from the geezers, and moved a few feet away where she began a conversation with a pretty attractive blonde. My elder statesman friend that I had met a few hours prior saw me, and pointed, "There is Mandy for you!' I nodded, and thanked him. (If you're reading this, my mustachioed brother. Danke!) I was doing this.
I approached and interrupted the conversation as politely as I could. I introduced myself to Mandy, and asked if she was available. She looked around, and said, "I think maybe? Give me a second. " Then she walked back to the geezers for a minute, while I awaited the verdict.
Then two things happened simultaneously. First, my "good buddy" Julia from the pool walked over with a haughty look on her face and said, "You promised me we'd go to the room, and I went and showered and douched for you, and then you disappear."
The second thing that happened was that Mandy came striding up to me with a beaming smile on her face, and nodded that she was good to go.
I turned to Julia, "I'm sorry, I don't remember making that promise, but right now I'm going to go with Mandy so catch me later, bye!
And then, my friends. It was on.
I sat with Mandy on a couch for a moment while she caught her composure, and explained that she was on her way out the door to spend the next few days back home, and I would be her last session of the day. Thanking my lucky stars, I promised to make it a good one. A quick one, sure. Because she was on her way out the door. But a good one.
Let me tell you, friends, this Mandy hype is legit. She kissed me with full tongue, full throttle, and had absolute control of my libido for every moment in that bedroom. Her BBBJ was intense, with plenty of time devoted to licking the entire shaft, BLS to the extreme, she made every inch of me rock hard and soaking wet - And the the real fucking began.
Look, Mandy is a master. She's got skills. She's got enthusiasm. She didn't even mention money once. This is the kind of GFE that bards write epic poems about. And in the end, I had it for 50 euros. (Well, 100, because when the oral sex is THAT good, you'd be a fool not to finish with CIM) Unbelievable. Wherever you are, Mandy. Bless you. Thank you. Oh dear god. I'm shaking now just thinking about it.
Anyway, I kind of stumbled outside for more food, and another beer, and found my friend again. He was incredibly amused that I couldn't speak in complete sentences, and eventually gave up trying.
Then Julia found me. This time, when she brought up this alleged promise I'd made earlier to take her for a session. Well, like I said, I couldn't form complete sentences. What the hell. So it was that I found myself led back to one of the open-air tent things in the back of the yard for yet another session. I told Julia she's have to be gentle with me, and she was. Even her upselling attempts (for anal) were pretty low-key. I mumbled that I was all good, and enjoyed the solid BBBJ and took her doggystyle until I had sealed the deal. If anything, I'm a man of my word. 50 Euros, and a good time had by all.
As night fell, and I had taken some recoup time with a sauna and a shower, and some more food, my friend left to go back to the hotel, while I stayed behind. I was still hoping to cap the day off with the sisters fantasy. So I waited, and mingled. I was called over by the first two women of the day, who immediately started flirting with me and asking my name, where I was from. And I realized, "They don't remember that they both had sex with me a few hours ago!" Then I told them, and we all had a good laugh about it.
After seeing one of the sisters (honestly, I don't know which one) come downstairs for a drink, and then head back upstairs, I assumed that they were both in a super-long session, and I weighed my options: I could wait for the sisters to come out, I could go with this Romanian girl Aphrodite that kept hitting up every few minutes, or I could pick one final session in my own time.
I decided on the latter. I moved around, starting up a few conversations here and there, and finally met Isabel. A young girl with long brown hair, who was long and lean. Great legs, and had a sweet disposition. She led me upstairs and provided a nice session with plenty of kissing, and was all too eager to wrap those legs around me while I finished. Another "standard session," for only 50 euros, that was miles better than anything I'd get in the States, at 10 times the price.
As I paid Isabel, I was shocked to see that I still had money in the locker! And there were still hours left to go in the operating day! This place is magical!
However, every man has his limits, and I had certainly exceeded mine for the day. It was my first time at any FKK. And I certainly hope there is a return visit sometime soon. I'll be watching this forum to see how the new law affects things. In the meantime, thanks for reading, and thanks to everyone in the community for helping me go in prepared.
MCP.
Member #4585
07-07-17, 06:36
I was called over by the first two women of the day, who immediately started flirting with me and asking my name, where I was from. And I realized, "They don't remember that they both had sex with me a few hours ago!" Then I told them, and we all had a good laugh about it..Mr CrankyPants,
Thank you for the great well written report. Glad you managed to bag Mandy as she is well known to be difficult to book.
Yes, the memories of many girls is short. They have been rejected before outright but they still come back asking you your name and where you are from again maybe one to several hours later not realizing that you said no to them before. In your case and in many others you have even fucked them as well and they do not remember that they sucked your dick and ask you again like they have never met you.
It really goes to show how mechanical some of the FKK working girls are.
BarryManila
07-07-17, 06:42
Except Blondie and chestnut with blue eyes who moved to work on desk, don t remember top beauty behind the bar?
Is she the one with very white skin and few tattoos? Francesca was Megan when she started at Sharks on November 2015.Francesca was called Andrea, then she changed her name. As I remember she wasn't very long behind the bar at Sharks.
Very white skin? No. BTW: This Francesca has nothing to do with Megan.
Mr CrankyPants,
Thank you for the great well written report. Glad you managed to bag Mandy as she is well known to be difficult to book.
Yes, the memories of many girls is short. They have been rejected before outright but they still come back asking you your name and where you are from again maybe one to several hours later not realizing that you said no to them before. In your case and in many others you have even fucked them as well and they do not remember that they sucked your dick and ask you again like they have never met you.
It really goes to show how mechanical some of the FKK working girls are.After knowing these girls are elusive, I glad that my goddess Amalia still remembers me 3 days later. I was looking for her the whole time yesterday, it's a shame that she showed up when I was about to leave. Feel so regretful now. Now I'm leaving Germany regretfully.
Sebastiane
07-08-17, 04:14
Great report Mr Crankypants. Your multiple sessions in a visit is exactly how I like my own FKK experiences! I'll have to try and catch Mandy next time I'm at Sharks which should be soon.
After knowing these girls are elusive, I glad that my goddess Amalia still remembers me 3 days later. I was looking for her the whole time yesterday, it's a shame that she showed up when I was about to leave. Feel so regretful now. Now I'm leaving Germany regretfully.Some WGs have Alzheimer memory coming to ask for room 5 times in a day, but some have really amazing memory. I had rooms with Liz. De only on July 2013 , she still remember about my life when I sometimes forgot, so I just have to ask her about when we eat together at GT, without going to room with her, but talking to her like to a woman, so she always ask if I want to eat with her.
Francesca was called Andrea, then she changed her name. As I remember she wasn't very long behind the bar at Sharks.
Very white skin? No. BTW: This Francesca has nothing to do with Megan.Because Megan started as Francesca at Sharks on November 2015. Now silver curly hair and tanned skin at Globe. Smiling welcome coming straight to me like at Sharks, still lovely, I m happy she feels good at Globe, not so difficult for good girls. Even Isabella or Aurelia or blond ex Sofia. Ro LR or ex Valentina GT, can resist. But I really enjoyed Megan friend, real natural beauty and sensitive Misha. Ro.
Never noticed Francesca / Andrea.
Member #4585
07-08-17, 08:07
Does anyone know if Amalia work on Thursday evening?
I glad that my goddess Amalia still remembers me 3 days later. I was looking for her the whole time yesterday, it's a shame that she showed up when I was about to leave.Now we know Amalia worked on Thursday, 6 July 2017.
Have no regrets if you book to come back another time real soon.
Which one is a better option on Tuesday from 11:30 am to 2:30 pm? I have a flight at 4:20 pm from Frankfurt. Thanks.
Escape Artist
07-09-17, 00:18
Which one is a better option on Tuesday from 11:30 am to 2:30 pm? I have a flight at 4:20 pm from Frankfurt. Thanks.I think by noon there will be 1 to 2 girls at Mainhattan and maybe 6-8 girls will be there by 2 pm. At Sharks you'll probably start with 6-8 girls by noon and up with over 20 by 1400. At Sharks it's fun to be there early and watch the girls who sleep there come down half awake in their sleeping clothes, hair up with eye crusties, LOL.
I confirm my previous post: From 3 ex Sharks girls, Romanians and German, no tax bill for 25 € paid every day, one thought she was registered when paying 25 to Sharks. Now she knows what to be registered, giving your address where Swiss Polizei can come to catch you. Fortunately she sleep in club, but not in work rooms.
25 for 100 girls is 900000 per year.
Which one is a better option on Tuesday from 11:30 am to 2:30 pm? I have a flight at 4:20 pm from Frankfurt. Thanks.Tuesday is dessous (lingerie) day at Sharks, so girls will not go around fully naked. If this is something you would be interested in, then I'd say Sharks. I personally enjoy lingerie days, for a change! However, 11:30-2:30 pm is very early in the day and you may not find many top girls. Mainhattan is farther from the airport, so it may be the less convenient option.
Have fun!
Rock.
Member #4585
07-09-17, 09:49
Which one is a better option on Tuesday from 11:30 am to 2:30 pm? I have a flight at 4:20 pm from Frankfurt. Thanks.The decision may depend on where you are coming from to begin with. If you are coming up from Stuttgart then Sharks is better. If you are coming from the East then Mainhattan is better as its son the way West to the airport.
It is dessous tag on Tuesdays at Sharks so that may make it more favorable for your ilk.
Citizen Kane
07-09-17, 09:51
Which one is a better option on Tuesday from 11:30 am to 2:30 pm? I have a flight at 4:20 pm from Frankfurt. Thanks.Dessoustag at Sharks if that makes any difference to you.
Dessoustag at Sharks if that makes any difference to you.Historically I avoid visiting a club on their "Dessous Tag," which at Sharks is a Tuesday. However, despite this, two weeks ago I found myself entering Sharks on a Tuesday, partly because I had one of those 20 e discount vouchers valid on Mondays and Tuesdays at Sharks. A very funny thing occurred: I found the quality of the line-up on this Tuesday to be the best I'd encountered during the entire week at Sharks, even better than on the weekend. I had previously been to Sharks on both the prior Weds and Friday. In fact, on that prior Friday, I walked out or Sharks because of surprisingly uninspiring line-up that day and went to World instead. Believe it or not: I found a much more intriguing line-up (and a much better "party atmosphere") at World that Friday night than I did at Sharks.
So Tuesdays, despite the girls not being entirely naked, are not to be dismissed in terms of line-up quality. Indeed, I saw girls on that Tuesday, who I did not see working on other "more mainstream" days. Add to this, the more favourable general mongering conditions (lots of rooms available whenever you want, no sausage fest with too many men, locker room not crowded, etc), and Tuesdays at Sharks could be a very good choice.
However, I never entered the club before 16.00, so my comments above reflect the situation during evening and nights.
Member #4585
07-09-17, 10:25
However, I never entered the club before 16.00, so my comments above reflect the situation during evening and nights.Yup, maybe not at all relevant for Nce123 since his visit window is between 11:30 am to 2:30 pm when the club like up is dire. At Mainhattan at least from the morning shift there is Donna who gives good service and is a pretty, slim brown haired girl.
Member #4585
07-09-17, 11:59
I'll have to try and catch Mandy next time I'm at Sharks which should be soon.Mandy is away some days in July so if you know your dates then it may help.
Mandy works day shift and only some days in the week. It can all be a bit random but Saturdays is not one of her days.
BigBuddy69
07-09-17, 12:03
I'm going to be a real pain in the ass but still no Eva? If I remember well, I met Mandy one Sunday and one Tuesday but it was in November.
Carpe Viam
07-09-17, 12:26
I'm going to be a real pain in the ass but still no Eva? If I remember well, I met Mandy one Sunday and one Tuesday but it was in November.Eva has no plan to come back to this work while her happiness last in her city.
ExpatLover
07-09-17, 19:18
I'm going to be a real pain in the ass but still no Eva? If I remember well, I met Mandy one Sunday and one Tuesday but it was in November.Mandy is one of the busiest girl at Shark, she usually starts the morning shift at 11, but will leave early. Also she is not working every day, she doesn't need, her income must be very high. If you want to get news about Eva, try to find one of her friend she will update you or may be the reception sometime they also have reliable info.
BigBuddy69
07-09-17, 21:05
Thank you. Good for her. So I probably won't come back to Sharks.
Mandy is away some days in July so if you know your dates then it may help.
Mandy works day shift and only some days in the week. It can all be a bit random but Saturdays is not one of her days.Good luck hitting Mandy. I've missed out on her every visit so far this year (3 trips). She can only be considered a bonus. And even if she is around, she'll be hard to catch.
Member #4581
07-10-17, 00:17
Good luck hitting Mandy. I've missed out on her every visit so far this year (3 trips). She can only be considered a bonus. And even if she is around, she'll be hard to catch.Indeed.
In March, I had taken Mandy as the first girl of my trip on a early a Tuesday afternoon. Fantastic session as always.
Then, I saw her briefly on the next day evening. And I didn't even have a real excuse to not take her, as I was not coming out of a session. She smiled, and came over to chat. I made up some BS excuse and passed. Why? I was angling to get a session with Janine, but as I was about to swoop in, her body guards returned, and by then Mandy disappeared.
In the karma catalog of FKK, this must count as unforgivable. Some FKK gods must have a put a curse on me, and I never saw her again in that trip or next trip in June. Not just her but also Sandra was snatched away from me. Must be deserved comeuppance.
Good luck hitting Mandy. I've missed out on her every visit so far this year (3 trips). She can only be considered a bonus. And even if she is around, she'll be hard to catch.Not so difficult to get Mandy on early afternoon when she works, same for Sandra. When girls know you, they come to you, no need to run after.
On this Friday, 8 months after, even we had many messages, Megan came straight to me like did Kate / Katalina, no need to run after her at Globe. Later, she understood my eyes for her friend, really pretty blond Misha.
Member #4585
07-10-17, 02:31
Good luck hitting Mandy. I've missed out on her every visit so far this year (3 trips). She can only be considered a bonus. And even if she is around, she'll be hard to catch.I don't have any particular problem booking Mandy. You just need to know her schedule when she is on holiday and when she works and get your booking in for the days she is working before you departs for the day.
I don't have any particular problem booking Mandy. You just need to know her schedule when she is on holiday and when she works and get your booking in for the days she is working before you departs for the day.Yes, but she seems to switch up her schedule a bit. So it seems a bit random.
BadinSweet
07-10-17, 03:28
And I saw her. The kissing mouth tattoo on her right butt cheek. The huge smile. Petite, blonde pretty, and looking right at me -- It was Mandy. Like a unicorn, she had emerged from legend, and was right before me.
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MCP.Wow, thank you for the great report, Mr CrankyPants. After years of visiting Sharks I have no idea who Mandy is. Same for Sandra. I finally see the description of her and don't think I have ever seen someone that fits this description. Will definitely try to catch her when I visit next time.
Also, some of you asked about Elif and Amalia duo. I can confirm that they were excellent together. I had a great session with Amalia previously so, I figured I gave the duo a shot as Amalia would put in a good word for her sister. Though I am not a type of threesome person but Elif was also excellent. Actually, she was driving the session and secretly telling her sister what to do in Romanian and hand gestures. Actually, after the session it made me like Elif more than Amalia now (eventhough I think Amalia is better looking). I am sure if you like a threesome and find them attractive you cannot go wrong.
Thank you. Good for her. So I probably won't come back to Sharks.You could try to experience upselling 100 for GFE 30 mn with baby kiss and CBJ.
Even some girls are afraid about new law and what they were explained, some German girls think they can be money prosecuted for BBBJ, so imagine for Romanians and Hungarians not reading German, but no end of the world in NRW and not the faintest upselling experienced, only smiles and still nice and willing to please behavior, asking to come again.
At club number 1 in NRW, information point 32 on rooms doors, girls are given 5 condoms for free per day, but staff say to girls: You are independent, manage your job. More difficult at LR for mostly Romanian girls for new clients.
Went to Sharks last Thursday. I rent a car from FRA airport and planned to arrive by 6 pm. The car broke down at the junction of 5 and 42. The water pump was busted and coolant was all gone with the engine smoking. I end up waiting 3 hours on the highway for the tow truck. Good news out of the bad is that when the tow truck dropped me to the closest Sixt car rental store, the store turned out to be almost next door to Sharks, so I didn't waste much time detour. Plus Sixt gave me a very fancy BMV sport car as the replacement. Pity I didn't pick up any girl with it.
Finally I made it to the club around 9:30 pm and caught the final minutes of the outdoor BBQ. The huge interior area is very fancy. Because it was already dark so I didn't get much chance to admire the outside area. LU was good with a variety of choices, and I had 3 sessions. The bartenders are very rude though.
Went to Sharks last Thursday. I rent a car from FRA airport and planned to arrive by 6 pm. The car broke down at the junction of 5 and 42. The water pump was busted and coolant was all gone with the engine smoking. I end up waiting 3 hours on the highway for the tow truck. Good news out of the bad is that when the tow truck dropped me to the closest Sixt car rental store, the store turned out to be almost next door to Sharks, so I didn't waste much time detour. Plus Sixt gave me a very fancy BMV sport car as the replacement. Pity I didn't pick up any girl with it.
Finally I made it to the club around 9:30 pm and caught the final minutes of the outdoor BBQ. The huge interior area is very fancy. Because it was already dark so I didn't get much chance to admire the outside area. LU was good with a variety of choices, and I had 3 sessions. The bartenders are very rude though.Not all the bartenders are rude. I have observed that the uglier ones are rude while the better looking ones are more friendly. Having visited Sharks over 20 times during the past few weeks I have observed one being a little more friendly towards me, initiating conversation etc. I suppose that's reserved for regular customers.
BadinSweet
07-10-17, 20:34
Is it wrong that I find Jenny, the bartender, to be good looking? LOL.
ExpatLover
07-10-17, 20:42
Wow, thank you for the great report, Mr CrankyPants. After years of visiting Sharks I have no idea who Mandy is. Same for Sandra. I finally see the description of her and don't think I have ever seen someone that fits this description. Will definitely try to catch her when I visit next time.
Also, some of you asked about Elif and Amalia duo. I can confirm that they were excellent together. I had a great session with Amalia previously so, I figured I gave the duo a shot as Amalia would put in a good word for her sister. Though I am not a type of threesome person but Elif was also excellent. Actually, she was driving the session and secretly telling her sister what to do in Romanian and hand gestures. Actually, after the session it made me like Elif more than Amalia now (eventhough I think Amalia is better looking). I am sure if you like a threesome and find them attractive you cannot go wrong.Sorry but the description is quite okay, German bloodline with be cups, smiling.
I think the bartender at the barbecue area is friendly tho. I went there to chill after every session and she remembered what I wanted to drink.
Reef LostCause
07-10-17, 21:15
Is it wrong that I find Jenny, the bartender, to be good looking? LOL.Actually, there are moments where she is the most attractive girl in the club. By far.
Is it wrong that I find Jenny, the bartender, to be good looking? LOL.Although I haven't yet found a sharks bartender to tickle my amygdala insofar, some certain other bartenders definitely have. Like at Oceans, Palace, gt and Artemis x 2 in the past. I think after seeing so many nude girls around you, there is perhaps something very hot and attractive with girls wearing tights pants and uniforms as a change of pace. Perhaps giving them that little extra.
KC Questor
07-11-17, 03:33
Is it wrong that I find Jenny, the bartender, to be good looking? LOL.This is common at strip clubs, too. Guys always find the waitresses or female bartenders more exciting than the strippers.
EuroTravel1234
07-11-17, 04:04
Just want to know if girls in Shark only provide CBJ? Also is anyone still see Lili working there?
Thanks.
FormulaOneFan
07-11-17, 05:25
At least 2 of the girls working behind the bar during my last trip are former WLs. Don't recall names, but the girl with short cropped blonde hair and the brunette with glasses and a slight stain on her teeth.
YamaYama0519
07-11-17, 06:41
...the brunette with glasses and a slight stain on her teeth.One with glasses may be ex-Moira.
Just want to know if girls in Shark only provide CBJ? Also is anyone still see Lili working there?
Thanks.Every girl I sessioned gave me a BBBJ. They seem to ignore the new law.
Member #4585
07-11-17, 08:42
One with glasses may be ex-Moira.Yes, I agree the slim dark haired bartender with glasses is Moira.
Member #4585
07-11-17, 08:44
I think the bartender at the barbecue area is friendly tho. I went there to chill after every session and she remembered what I wanted to drink.Dracarys, do you mean the petite blonde blue eyed bartender which from my experience usually works the outside bar wherw the grill is. Then yes, she is cute and one of the friendlier bartenders at Sharks.
This is common at strip clubs, too. Guys always find the waitresses or female bartenders more exciting than the strippers.I think it would take quite a girl to beat the stunner behind the bar at Sunshine in Munich She is ex WG from a very high end club in the city and gave up 3 years ago when she met her boyfriend (who she still dates). I spent an hour trying to tempt her out of retirement. Absolutely stunning face and body.
I think it would take quite a girl to beat the stunner behind the bar at Sunshine in Munich She is ex WG from a very high end club in the city and gave up 3 years ago when she met her boyfriend (who she still dates). I spent an hour trying to tempt her out of retirement. Absolutely stunning face and body.She prolly wud temp come out of retirement if you bid 1000 e 1 HR 😂.
This is common at strip clubs, too. Guys always find the waitresses or female bartenders more exciting than the strippers.Very true. I found the front desk girl at Mainhattan very attractive too. Maybe because they are wearing clothes. I actually would like to see one day not a nude club, but a fantasy outfit club where girls wear various outfits such as business suits and dresses.
FormulaOneFan
07-12-17, 01:03
Yes, I agree the slim dark haired bartender with glasses is Moira.That sounds familiar. I only sessioned with her once about a year ago and had a very nice time with her, but rarely if ever saw her again. She remembered me and we chatted on my last trip there last month. She's a nice girl and was clearly motivated to make her new job outside of being a WL successful. She was working hard both behind the bar and out bussing tables.
That sounds familiar. I only sessioned with her once about a year ago and had a very nice time with her, but rarely if ever saw her again. She remembered me and we chatted on my last trip there last month. She's a nice girl and was clearly motivated to make her new job outside of being a WL successful. She was working hard both behind the bar and out bussing tables.Yes, not sexy look enough for my tastes, too dark, not shining face enough, but Moira was really a nice girl for our beginning of 2015 room. Have just to be happy for her new life.
For same, I was happy when Megan said with her Globe business, she can be more often with her family and could finish faster this job.
I m always happy when girls retire from this bad business, and even I think I was missing Kate on last Friday at Globe, she was Globe for me, even I really enjoyed Misha beauty and freshness, even Isabella, even Megan now, but as I said to Kate on our last time: I wish You stay at home and never meet You again, and she answered: You really want this?
Better for girls to leave this bad job, always new girls appealed by taste of blood for money.
Member #4581
07-12-17, 02:04
That sounds familiar. I only sessioned with her once about a year ago and had a very nice time with her, but rarely if ever saw her again. She remembered me and we chatted on my last trip there last month. She's a nice girl and was clearly motivated to make her new job outside of being a WL successful. She was working hard both behind the bar and out bussing tables.Moira still looks good. I wonder why she moved to her current role -- I would have imagined a popular girl like her could make more sitting in front of the bar and not standing behind. Is her plan to induce $1000 bids from guests because she is now out of reach, LOL!?
Wish her good luck in her new job though.
Member #4585
07-12-17, 07:21
Just want to know if girls in Shark only provide CBJ? Also is anyone still see Lili working there?
Thanks.If you mean Lilia then she has been working.
Mongers will have to accept the fact that you can no longer get BBBJ at FKKs or generally from working girls in Germany. It is better to stay and session in the United States where at least it is the norm.
Mongers will have to accept the fact that you can no longer get BBBJ at FKKs or generally from working girls in Germany. It is better to stay and session in the United States where at least it is the norm.That's not true. You can still get BBBJ from a lot of girls. But it's no longer guaranteed and sometimes you have to pay extra.
Buy American.
Mongers will have to accept the fact that you can no longer get BBBJ at FKKs or generally from working girls in Germany. It is better to stay and session in the United States where at least it is the norm.
Wait why is it bad? The girls are actually helping guys who are lonely so they are benefiting the world and reducing negative vibes.
Yes, not sexy look enough for my tastes, too dark, not shining face enough, but Moira was really a nice girl for our beginning of 2015 room. Have just to be happy for her new life.
For same, I was happy when Megan said with her Globe business, she can be more often with her family and could finish faster this job.
I m always happy when girls retire from this bad business, and even I think I was missing Kate on last Friday at Globe, she was Globe for me, even I really enjoyed Misha beauty and freshness, even Isabella, even Megan now, but as I said to Kate on our last time: I wish You stay at home and never meet You again, and she answered: You really want this?
Better for girls to leave this bad job, always new girls appealed by taste of blood for money.
BigBuddy69
07-12-17, 17:55
Don't search too much for logic in sirioja's posts. He spends half of the year in Germany fucking working girls and then he says that it's a terrible job and they should stop as soon as possible.
Wait why is it bad? The girls are actually helping guys who are lonely so they are benefiting the world and reducing negative vibes.Not just that. Animals all over the world are using prostitution as the most natural way of life. In fact, anthropology tells us that all females of all species are prostitutes. (We are also all polygamous). There also would not even have been currency and trade in the first place had it not been for prostitution. The entire world economy and civilization is actually built on top of prostitution. Now that is some real history for you lot! And tell Merkel too!
Don't search too much for logic in sirioja's posts. He spends half of the year in Germany fucking working girls and then he says that it's a terrible job and they should stop as soon as possible.Even I enjoy beauties, I will never write being fucked for money is a good job for a woman. Are you able to understand if they were not born poor, they would not come in Western Europe to be fucked [Deleted by Admin].
Since just a bit more than 4 years, I saw some girls losing freshness, starting to smoke with becoming yellow teeth, starting with drug, having belly pain, nothing about period, and as I say to some: becoming ready for everything for money tasting like blood. Dog years, 7 years for each year working for WGs, becoming old fast. So bad job for my opinion, is it normal for a woman vagina to be fucked 10 times a day? So I m always happy when they retire from paid sex.
Hessen Bub
07-12-17, 19:30
It is better to stay and session in the United States where at least it is the norm.America first! www.trumpdonald.org.
HB.
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