FKK Sharks - Darmstadt [Archive] - Page 70

ExpatLover

01-27-18, 19:09

Which one (s) would be considered the dirtiest or the one who delivers the best sessions? This Lara has been suggested. A couple more sit over in Mandy-ville along the border wall (not Trumps stupid proposed one) of the restaurant and the club? I wish to add an inked up gal to my harem. I briefly talked to one inked girl with blond hair who on her lower back on the left side has a massive design of face.

If it helps answer the question I am done with the 50 E sessions and now it is 100 E sessions in Sharks as I find them much more enjoyable, less rushed and flying half way around the world not going to worry about 50 E more even if there are great sessions available at 50 E from many. It is just that in my experiences now the 100 E has well paid for itself.When you say 100 euro is it for 30 minutes or 1 hour?

Member #4585

01-27-18, 21:43

Did Oase change 50 euro entry before 4 PM to only Saturdays or is it still every day 50 euro before 4 PM?Oase entry prior to 4 pm remains at 50 euros. I was just answering the comment that the plan was Oase on Saturdays explaining the reference to Oase before 4 pm entry on Saturdays was 50 euros.

Howie

01-28-18, 19:57

About 60 names, lineup middle of this week:

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Annika, Ro.

Ariella, Bul.

Ayleen, A.

Betty, Ro.

Bianca, Ro.

Brigitte / Brigitta, Ro.

Caro, Ger.

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Hey Nick,

What happened to Brenda / Leya? Is she still around?

Howie.

Ortos

01-28-18, 20:20

Hey Nick,

What happened to Brenda / Leya? Is she still around?

Looking to make my first Sharks visit this year sometime next week.

Howie.She was working at Sharks last night, but I believe she is not in attendance every day, perhaps just certain days of the week. I am not sure, as she's not one of the girls I interact with much.

On a different front: Last night I met and spoke on the couch with MILFy blonde Hungarian (not sure of name), who said she was new at Sharks having previously worked at Palace. She gave off decent vibes, but I was loathe to gamble on a new ex-Palace girl with so many other "sure thing" regular girls at the club on a Saturday night. I wonder, however, if I missed something good because she gave positive vibes on the couch.

Also spoke briefly with a cute girl, Annika, who hangs at couch just next stairs to rooms. I didn't pursue further; on again I wonder if missed something good?

But overall Sharks lineup was very good last night (Saturday).

BadinSweet

01-28-18, 20:45

For Steffi fans, she is back.

Howie

01-28-18, 21:00

She was working at Sharks last night, but I believe she is not in attendance every day, perhaps just certain days of the week. I am not sure, as she's not one of the girls I interact with much.
Thanks for the update Ortos. Good to know she is still around.

By the way, I stopped by Oase yesterday. Made out with two taut hard bodied girls. First one was German Emma from Stuttgart. Slim, blackish below shoulder length hair, nice silicon C's. Sultry average looking face but her body was what I was sold on. You could bounce a dime or euro coin off her butt. The other a petite dirty blonde with B cups, Soraya from Bucharest. Again amazing body but average looking face. Have you met them?

Howie.

Member #4585

01-28-18, 21:09

First one was German Emma from Stuttgart. Sultry average looking face but her body was what I was sold on. You could bounce a dime or euro coin off her butt.

Soraya from Bucharest. Again amazing body but average looking face.

The thing about Oase lately that I found is that there are a lot of hot bodies around but not many with pretty faces.Is this a case of Body off Baywatch but face off Crime Watch?

ExpatLover

01-28-18, 21:12

Hey Nick,

What happened to Brenda / Leya? Is she still around?

Howie.I don't know Leya but Brenda is actively there since at least 2 good weeks, hunting a lot compare to last summer, probably her business starts to decline like for all the girls after several months. Mandy is no more there, may be moved to Globe or escort.

Howie

01-28-18, 21:12

Is this a case of Body off Baywatch but face off Crime Watch?Yep, Baywatch body types but what's Crime Watch?

Howie.

Member #4585

01-28-18, 21:18

Yep, Baywatch body types but what's Crime Watch?

Howie.Think of the TV show Cops and you get the idea. The phrase is not so catchy and rhyming if you say Body off BayWatch but Face off Cops.

Body off Baywatch but Face off Crimewatch sounds better.

Member #4585

01-28-18, 21:39

It was a Wednesday. It was a Cheap Charles 50 euro entry all day for the customers. The result was that there were more men than women in the house. In the afternoon it was okay ratio since there were not so many men and women were drifting in to work. By the early evening as the work places closed at 5 pm the club filled up with men wanting to take advantage of the wellness and Aufguss sessions put on by the club.

I last took Patricia around 1.5 years ago. Before she had normal tits but now she has big silicon tits. She has curly blonde hair and wears lingerie underwear as her signature identification. I recall she used to work at Oase. This was a 100 euros session.

Aylene was very busy today. It was very difficult to book Aylene. Electra and Aylene are friends. Both girls have big tits. I said, "Hello", to Aylene.

Tomorrow I have to try Electra. The last time I took Electra it was the summer and it was not good. She did not seem happy when I went with her last time. There is always redemption like that Morgan Freeman and Tim Robbins did in Shawshank.

Mandy was fully booked today. Here is an episode. I was at the bar and I was also thinking of taking Mandy. I had not prearranged a booking so I was taking my luck if she was free. Mandy came out of the girls locker room where there were several Asian men loitering with intent. Mandy whizzed pass the Asian men and was stopped by them. She told them she was busy it looked like. Then Mandy moved on a further couple of meters when two German men stopped Mandy where once again she explained herself that she was pre-booked. I then saw Mandy come near me at the bar. She did not look like she saw me since she went straight to another man. That was it. It was all over. No more Mandy. At least I knew her work time table for the rest of the week.

During the stay I took a massage from Noi the Thai lady. Cost me 30 euros for 30 minutes. She also does an one hour massage for 60 euros.

I found Betty under the Fish Tank, talked to her. I think she has her schema of what she wants in a client and she was disinterested. I know MyTwoInches has called her a freak. I do not know why he calls her a Freak. I think she just want easy money. She looks at the Pole Dancers.

Vivian was also there under the Fish Tank. She has a lean slim body.

Denisa wanted to stay a long time with me in the room. I had to refuse Denisa. She said she wanted me for a minimum time for a room. To me, she is not that good. This is just greedy. When I took Patricia then Denisa did not want to look at me anymore.

As for Mila, I am still trying to decide whether she is more Arya Stark from Game of Thrones looking or Mila Kunis from The Simpsons looking. I know Mila has opted for Mila Kunis due to her club name is Mila but the Arya Stark image is in my head and in my mind.

McGrath

01-28-18, 21:41

On a different front: Last night I met and spoke on the couch with MILFy blonde Hungarian (not sure of name), who said she was new at Sharks having previously worked at Palace. She gave off decent vibes, but I was loathe to gamble on a new ex-Palace girl with so many other "sure thing" regular girls at the club on a Saturday night. I wonder, however, if I missed something good because she gave positive vibes on the couch.Interesting as an ex-Palace blonde girl from Hungary saved my last visit to Mainhattan in October with good service and nice attitude. Don't know about MILF but she had some years on the majority of the other girls. Here name was Jenny at Mainhattan and it would be nice to know if she made the switch to Sharks. Didn't ask about her Palace name.

Member #4585

01-28-18, 21:44

On Thursday there were more girls than men. It was normal price entry of 65 euro unless you have a prepaid entry. Still it did not feel like a full line up as some girls who work Wednesday will take the Thursday off free before they work the Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

I found Estephania, she is a small skinny, long black haired girl. She looks really young. I bet every time she go out to a club or a bar she gets checked for her identification to make sure she is over 18 years old. I take her to the room since she convinces me. In the room, she put her finger in my A hole and talks dirty to me. I finish with a 50 euro extra in the mouth. Estephania spent a lot of room time trying to upsell me anal sex with her. All the time she asks me to fuck her in her A hole. I know MyTwoinches also fuck Estephania in her ass and he says she squeals like she is a stuck farm animal. Estephania upsells for anal is like slim blonde Diana at Sharks who upsell anal big time with customers. At the end of the session Estephania also want a tip on top. This is what Scarlet does too. I said, "No tip, no, no, no".

I had a long chat with Electra to get Aylene and her to do a threesome with me. I could not get them to connect somehow even though it was not a busy day.

Member #4585

01-28-18, 21:45

It is now Friday. Entrance fee is 65 euros again. If I had the 950 euro prepaid entry card then it is 47.50 euro entry each time. That is a saving of 17.50 (27%) euro per full entry price.

To get the day started I took some wellness activities. Later in the evening the assisted saunas start but I did my own thing. I can use the ice from the ice machine near the wet sauna to create the steam in the dry sauna.

I then ended my wellness activities with a massage from Noi, the Thai massage lady. It was 30 euros for 30 minutes massage. Noi make me okay again as my ass and back was hurting so bad. I had taken a massage from Noi earlier in the week on Wednesday and I had to go back to her.

My first girl today was Steffie. I had seen Steffie before and today we talked and she convince me to go to the room. Steffie is a small blonde, looks a little goofy with the way she does not stand straight but a little hunched with her head down. She stands at the bar area where the Hungarian girls like to sit think Dina, Nicolette and Mersi use to sit.

My second girl was Aylene who is Austrian. She does some nice things for me in the room including role play.

I tried to speak with gorgeous blonde Rebecca, all I can say is, "Hahahahaha". My chat with Rebecca was a disaster. It is like talking to Brenda. Do not get me wrong, Rebecca is very beautiful. Her body mesmerizes me. She has perfect be cup breasts that I would love to suckle on like a babe. Rebecca is pink in all the right places. She has a pink pussy, pink tits and a pink butthole. Rebecca has the most beautiful body BUT so sad she is totally worthless to have a nice time with her in the room.

To illustrate an example of Rebecca's handiwork, I observed this incident. One Asian man went with Rebecca to the room. I clocked the time and Rebecca. I went to the toilet to take a dump. After 10 minutes I came back from the toilet. I see the Asian man that Rebecca took was sitting at a couch near the pay lockers and it looked like he was crying. I wonder what Rebecca did to him in the room for the man to be crying. I swear the Asian man was really upset. It must have been traumatic with Rebecca or the Asian was humiliated.

Member #4585

01-28-18, 21:47

It is Saturday at FKK Sharks. Once again the entrance fee is 65 euros again.

Today there are many Asian men in the club. The girls are making a roaring business with them.

Before coming to the hotel I had been dreaming of having a Jacuzzi session with Aylene and Electra. I want to see them touch each other's breasts and kiss each other.

On that note I see guys taking girls to the Jacuzzi on the mezzanine floor for a suck and fuck session. It is such that some of the pole dancers do not accept clients who wants to use the Jacuzzi I am told. I know Esther still takes customers in the Jacuzzi as I have seen her in the Jacuzzi with clients many times.

I am thinking today that I want a German girl. well to be correct, I want a specific girl that just happens to be German.

My first girl was Aylene, I had her the day before, but she is Austrian. Another good room with nice things performed.

My second girl, well, what can I say but, "Hahaha, I cannot remember who she was. " Seriously, she slips my mind. It was not memorable.

I think that is all I can remember for now.

Kosher Kowboy

01-28-18, 21:56

I last took Patricia around 1. 5 years ago. Before she had normal tits but now she has big silicon tits. She has curly blonde hair and wears lingerie underwear as her signature identification. I recall she used to work at Oase. This was a 100 euros session.

Mandy was fully booked today. Here is an episode. I was at the bar and I was also thinking of taking Mandy. I had not prearranged a booking so I was taking my luck if she was free. Mandy came out of the girls locker room where there were several Asian men loitering with intent. Mandy whizzed pass the Asian men and was stopped by them. She told them she was busy it looked like. Then Mandy moved on a further couple of meters when two German men stopped Mandy where once again she explained herself that she was prebooked. I then saw Mandy come near me at the bar. She did not look like she saw me since she went straight to another man. That was it. It was all over. No more Mandy. At least I knew her work time table for the rest of the week.
I really liked seeing Patricia even though I seem to spell her name wrong but from the description looks like the same gal. My hesitance at first not knowing her was simply she seems to dominate many there in looks blowing away IMO some of the frequently talked about ones. Often there is at least for me throughout my travels and at home sometimes a ' as looks go up so does attitude and / or performance down' but exceptions to every case and sometimes you have to weigh your optics scale vs your perceived service scale and roll with your gut and roll the dice. I too had a good time for 100 with her. Both optics and service a high level.

Mandy simply put of all the girls I have seen throughout my life is probably in the top 10% of looks (keep in mind this number is skewed as we have piles and piles of garbage selection here in the USA) , value, delivery and I simply would be hard pressed to find a guy out there that would say he had a shitty time with Mandy. Her YMMV scale is probably one of the lowest I have ever encountered. Top notch gal, the local boys are very lucky to have her and I was darn lucky it was slow and a rare day for her to be on the unemployment line and to have gotten in an appointment with her.

Nice review and guide for others.

I had a long chat with Electra

I met Electra too, had just done another Shark, very interested in her for a future visit

ExpatLover

01-28-18, 22:00

It is Saturday at FKK Sharks. Once again the entrance fee is 65 euros again.

Today there are many Asian men in the club. The girls are making a roaring business with them.

Before coming to the hotel I had been dreaming of having a Jacuzzi session with Aylene and Electra. I want to see them touch each other's breasts and kiss each other.

On that note I see guys taking girls to the Jacuzzi on the mezzanine floor for a suck and fuck session. It is such that some of the pole dancers do not accept clients who wants to use the Jacuzzi I am told. I know Esther still takes customers in the Jacuzzi as I have seen her in the Jacuzzi with clients many times.

I am thinking today that I want a German girl. well to be correct, I want a specific girl that just happens to be German..Buy a VIP card pay 5 get 6. Yes Friday and Saturday was full of Asian guys due to messe in frankfurt, it is just hilarious to see groups of 3 to 5 girls directly addressing the guys when the go through the entry door, for me I blacklisted all those [Deleted by Admin] and will never session them. There is a german girl with big boobs recently enhanced with silicone sorry I don t know her name but now she is always or seating with Elektra / Electra or hunting with her.

Nick The G

01-28-18, 22:43

Hey Nick,

What happened to Brenda / Leya? Is she still around?

Howie.She was there. Sorry, don't know why but I forgot to mention her in my lineup.

Pistons

01-28-18, 23:32

Mandy was fully booked today. Here is an episode. I was at the bar and I was also thinking of taking Mandy. I had not prearranged a booking so I was taking my luck if she was free. Mandy came out of the girls locker room where there were several Asian men loitering with intent. Mandy whizzed pass the Asian men and was stopped by them. She told them she was busy it looked like. Then Mandy moved on a further couple of meters when two German men stopped Mandy where once again she explained herself that she was pre-booked. I then saw Mandy come near me at the bar. She did not look like she saw me since she went straight to another man. That was it. It was all over. No more Mandy. At least I knew her work time table for the rest of the week.Being popular / in demand can be tough sometimes. I am sure she doesn't mean to be rude when telling guys of, but just needs a breath of air sometimes. I was once told by an Oase girl that I was being rude. The reason way that I didn't meet her eyes or went to the room with her. And I would even be the one paying (I am sure it must be much much tougher for a sweet girl like Mandy with a good heart to not seem rude when telling guys of. No matter if she was prebooked or not, or just saw that guy walking in.

Some girls tell me of because of bad chemistry though, like the blonde at Palace (stella? And electra at sharks. I guess my session with her mirrors yours. None of them are really my type, but were more reserves anyway, so I totally get the lack of chemistry excuse. It only hurts when you like the girl and feel the lack of chemistry is only from her side. Which only happened to me once at an FKK, at Artemis.

Ortos

01-28-18, 23:44

Thanks for the update Ortos. Good to know she is still around.

By the way, I stopped by Oase yesterday. Made out with two taut hard bodied girls. First one was German Emma from Stuttgart. Slim, blackish below shoulder length hair, nice silicon C's. Sultry average looking face but her body was what I was sold on. You could bounce a dime or euro coin off her butt. The other a petite dirty blonde with B cups, Soraya from Bucharest. Again amazing body but average looking face. Have you met them?

Howie.I don't know a German Emma, but Soraya I have met briefly. How was her service? Any restrictve behaviors we should be aware of? Maybe best to reply on Oase thread. Thanks.

Massimo Potente

01-28-18, 23:54

Which only happened to me once at an FKK, at Artemis.A bit off topic but that happened to me regularly and with a bunch of girls in Artemis.

ExpatLover

01-29-18, 04:32

Being popular / in demand can be tough sometimes. I am sure she doesn't mean to be rude when telling guys of, but just needs a breath of air sometimes. I was once told by an Oase girl that I was being rude. The reason way that I didn't meet her eyes or went to the room with her. And I would even be the one paying (I am sure it must be much much tougher for a sweet girl like Mandy with a good heart to not seem rude when telling guys of. No matter if she was prebooked or not, or just saw that guy walking in.

Some girls tell me of because of bad chemistry though, like the blonde at Palace (stella? And electra at sharks. I guess my session with her mirrors yours. None of them are really my type, but were more reserves anyway, so I totally get the lack of chemistry excuse. It only hurts when you like the girl and feel the lack of chemistry is only from her side. Which only happened to me once at an FKK, at Artemis.I never feel that I am not correct with the girls but many times the girls are not behaving nice with me, when you go several time with the same girl and the next time you tell sorry but not today most of the girls are reacting negatively, we should never forget that most of them have very low education if any, except our money they really don't appreciate us, many are talking badly about us and don t care to have sex with us during their period, for them it is the strongest way to show that we are nothing for them. If you don't believe me just go with one of the girl you like and tell her that today you have no cash but you still would like to go with her in the room. I have try it with girls I spent 1000 and 1000 euros with none of them never accepted it.

Carpe Viam

01-29-18, 08:44

As for Mila, I am still trying to decide whether she is more Arya Stark from Game of Thrones looking or Mila Kunis from The Simpsons looking. I know Mila has opted for Mila Kunis due to her club name is Mila but the Arya Stark image is in my head and in my mind.Last Saturday was her birthday (23 yo). She is now platinum blond and look like more Mila than Arya. Arya Stark doesn't make me go to the room (personal tastes).

Carpe Viam

01-29-18, 09:02

I found Betty under the Fish Tank, talked to her. I think she has her schema of what she wants in a client and she was disinterested. I know MyTwoInches has called her a freak. I do not know why he calls her a Freak. I think she just want easy money. She looks at the Pole Dancers.With extensions (blonde) and without glasses, she looks like another girl now. When a working girl observed a jackpot made by her friend (I means Dora), it's difficult for a girl to not think about this kind of stuff. But Betty is still a good performer in room and keeps her lovely behaviors, because without glasses, she doesn't see anymore what's other girls do.

Carpe Viam

01-29-18, 11:04

Last Friday I saw her coming to bar counters to get a drink. There were many customers and bar girls were busy. She waited without calling loudly them as many girls do. Suddenly a local customer. He started to touch her. She tried to stop him and said to him "not like". She was followed by him until her place (sofa near entrance), this guys stayed over one hour holding her and touching sometimes between her legs. Of course there was no color of bills for this time.

How can we accuse girls when they turn into Asian or Turkish business? Working girls are in club for getting money, not for giving pleasure for free. Some bad manners of customer changes a good behavior of girls.

This is the excellent definition " tends to be abused by locals". She is like a tender flower that easily can be destroyed. So young, so pretty, so honest, so diligent. Her skills still need to be improved but I don't care much about professional skills when I kissing and caressing that petite wonder.

Very interesting DFK technique. She tries to prevent my tongue from going inside of her mouse but sticks her tongue very deep in my mouth. She allows digits but with the condom on the finger. Her technique is quite unique. She asked if I like slow. OK. She very gently sucked, licked the head, shaft, balls and very bottom of the balls (not ass). She puts lots of spit and caressed / massaged with the hand. I enjoy this for about 45 minutes with no willing to change anything.

Turgid

01-29-18, 14:37

I had a long chat with Electra to get Aylene and her to do a threesome with me. I could not get them to connect somehow even though it was not a busy day.Wouldn't it be nice to get Aylene who is very white skinned to do a threesome with African Grace who is very dark skinned? In my next visit to Sharks in a few months time I will try that, if they both are there.

Gorge2

01-29-18, 15:05

Why do the two girls towards the laundry end of the bar both speak with a weird inflection in their voice? And who is Mandy? Can someone describe her to me because I'm just curious who you are all talking about.

Member #4585

01-29-18, 17:25

Last Saturday was her birthday (23 yo). She is now platinum blond and look like more Mila than Arya. Arya Stark doesn't make me go to the room (personal tastes).I remember that Mila had her birthday on Saturday. Big day for her.

Member #4585

01-29-18, 17:30

With extensions (blonde) and without glasses, she looks like another girl now. When a working girl observed a jackpot made by her friend (I means Dora), it's difficult for a girl to not think about this kind of stuff. But Betty is still a good performer in room and keeps her lovely behaviors, because without glasses, she doesn't see anymore what's other girls do.Betty has been sporting the no glasses look for over one week now. She look good with no glasses but yes she cannot see very far now and walk around the club blindly and walk pass men trying to get her attention.

You have to go up to her and grab her ass before she know you (joking).

TaoWay

01-29-18, 17:33

Hi everyone,

Just wanted to say that I'll be back to Sharks in a few weeks for another sex vacation trip. Looking forward to it, of course. Shameless plug, I'll be posting my reports as usual, so expect my typical lengthy writing, haha.

Appreciate some of the recent reviews, particularly of the less talked about girls. Also, thanks to Nick G for the recent lineups since the Jan 1 law. Glad to see some of my favorites are still showing up. Didn't see Selina, though she did tell me she wouldn't be back from her holiday break until February.

Quick question. On average, how good are the girls are at remembering clients who don't visit Sharks regularly? Do they regularly hear "I sessioned with you a few months ago"? Just wanted some insight if I should plan to go through the same initial screening effort with my favorites or if we can continue chemistry wise where we left off a few months ago.

Though I repeated with several and plan to do so again with the same girls (Anastasia and Selina in particular, don't think MG is returning to Sharks because of the new law), this was back in November, so it's been a few months. I know reading past reports that some girls have quite a good memory, even of the mongers who only come every few months. Obviously, I'm confident in my screening / couch conversation that I'll manage either way. I had memorable moments / conversations with them both that should jog their memories.

One of the girls I would like to session with again is Mandy (obviously). I was lucky enough last trip to session twice. That said, I'm pretty sure she won't remember me, given how popular she is, though you never know. I'm hoping I can book her, though if not, not a problem. Like I always say, there's so many beautiful women at Sharks, you shouldn't be upset if you can't find a certain girl you were planning for.

Anyways, hope you all have a great time at Sharks. Can't wait to be there.

Member #4585

01-29-18, 19:24

Wouldn't it be nice to get Aylene who is very white skinned to do a threesome with African Grace who is very dark skinned? In my next visit to Sharks in a few months time I will try that, if they both are there.Turgid, please do as you describe and report back here.

Gorge2

01-29-18, 22:02

Quick question. On average, how good are the girls are at remembering clients who don't visit Sharks regularly? Do they regularly hear "I sessioned with you a few months ago"? Just wanted some insight if I should plan to go through the same initial screening effort with my favorites or if we can continue chemistry wise where we left off a few months ago.Girls remember me well from 3 years ago. And unless they smoke weed or something, why shouldn't they?

Jymondor

01-30-18, 00:24

Quick question. On average, how good are the girls are at remembering clients who don't visit Sharks regularly? Do they regularly hear "I sessioned with you a few months ago"? Just wanted some insight if I should plan to go through the same initial screening effort with my favorites or if we can continue chemistry wise where we left off a few months ago.If you tipped her well she will remember you rest of the life.

Jymondor

01-30-18, 00:31

Betty has been sporting the no glasses look for over one week now. She look good with no glasses but yes she cannot see very far now and walk around the club blindly and walk pass men trying to get her attention.

You have to go up to her and grab her ass before she know you (joking).She recognized me as I was passing by her. But I hardly recognized her. I realized that this is Betty only after I spotted the remarkable rose tattoo on her stomach.

Jymondor

01-30-18, 00:42

ExpatLover

01-30-18, 02:08

Hi everyone,

Just wanted to say that I'll be back to Sharks in a few weeks for another sex vacation trip. Looking forward to it, of course. Shameless plug, I'll be posting my reports as usual, so expect my typical lengthy writing, haha.

Appreciate some of the recent reviews, particularly of the less talked about girls. Also, thanks to Nick G for the recent lineups since the Jan 1 law. Glad to see some of my favorites are still showing up. Didn't see Selina, though she did tell me she wouldn't be back from her holiday break until February.

Quick question. On average, how good are the girls are at remembering clients who don't visit Sharks regularly? Do they regularly hear "I sessioned with you a few months ago"? Just wanted some insight if I should plan to go through the same initial screening effort with my favorites or if we can continue chemistry wise where we left off a few months ago..Impossible to answer your question but don't make the things too complicated, most of the girls have 10 to 20 guys every day in the club, some are just telling when I go to the room my brain switches off so I don't remember 90% of my customers, other will not. On top of that the girls have mostly very low level of education also you have to add that if they are prostitute it is because of a specific mental structure, never overestimate their intellectual capacity which are often quite low. In this job you learn nothing except sucking and fucking, also never believe any of the story coming from a girl and be aware that a significant number have a BF, a pimp or are married with children but they will never tell, they know how to create and keep the illusion to take as much cash as possible from us. Without paying you will probably not session them.

Member #4585

01-30-18, 08:17

Excellent deep throw.Thanks for letting us know that Vanessa provides an excellent deep throw up (vomiting) service. That feels very specialised fetish and very kinky.

BigDaddyStr

01-30-18, 08:42

Anyone know if Kaira / Keira / Keyra Srb is around this week or next week? Thu?

Thanks.

Member #4585

01-30-18, 08:55

She recognized me as I was passing by her. But I hardly recognized her. I realized that this is Betty only after I spotted the remarkable rose tattoo on her stomach.Since Betty is a small sized girl and looks very young she gets booked often by men wanting her to act and talk like a small child in the room. It's role play.

A few other girls have told me about this interesting service and I was surprised how widely it was requested and the variety of girls, particularly the popular brand name Sharks girls who offered it getting booked for hours.

Member #4585

01-30-18, 09:07

Last Friday I saw her coming to bar counters to get a drink. There were many customers and bar girls were busy. She waited without calling loudly them as many girls do. Suddenly a local customer. He started to touch her. She tried to stop him and said to him "not like". She was followed by him until her place (sofa near entrance), this guys stayed over one hour holding her and touching sometimes between her legs. Of course there was no color of bills for this time.

How can we accuse girls when they turn into Asian or Turkish business? Working girls are in club for getting money, not for giving pleasure for free. Some bad manners of customer changes a good behavior of girls.I understand what you are saying Carpe Viam and the implications you make. As a counter to what you say, and I am not saying that I am in support or total agreement with it, is that many girls provide ample couch time for customers for no recompense. You see German men sit with girls for hours and hours. In many instances it is where the girl specifically go to the man to to sit with them. You never see these men pay the girls for their time or for all the touch and cuddling they receive.

You may Recall Janine the German girl would sit for hours and hours smoking with her German fan club and I doubt I ever saw her paid for her social time even when she was seen being groped and held tightly by the German fan club.

There are many other girls that give extended couch time for no extra money.

There is still the prevailing culture in FKK amongst men, from what I see from my perspective is that payment is for room time and couch time is not paid for.

ExpatLover

01-30-18, 09:29

I understand what you are saying Carpe Viam and the implications you make. As a counter to what you say, and I am not saying that I am in support or total agreement with it, is that many girls provide ample couch time for customers for no recompense. You see German men sit with girls for hours and hours. In many instances it is where the girl specifically go to the man to to sit with them. You never see these men pay the girls for their time or for all the touch and cuddling they receive.

You may Recall Janine the German girl would sit for hours and hours smoking with her German fan club and I doubt I ever saw her paid for her social time even when she was seen being groped and held tightly by the German fan club.

There are many other girls that give extended couch time for no extra money.

There is still the prevailing culture in FKK amongst men, from what I see from my perspective is that payment is for room time and couch time is not paid for.Sorry but only very few girls are giving free couch time and more or less only German one. Just try to seat 1 hour for free with a girl she will not accept except you are a very good customer.

Staple Stable

01-30-18, 09:52

Since Betty is a small sized girl and looks very young she gets booked often by men wanting her to act and talk like a small child in the room. It's role play.

A few other girls have told me about this interesting service and I was surprised how widely it was requested and the variety of girls, particularly the popular brand name Sharks girls who offered it getting booked for hours.My memory is quite poor, but is Betty not the brunette with glasses and a big pair of knockers?

Staple Stable

01-30-18, 09:57

Jymondor

01-30-18, 11:20

Last Friday I saw her coming to bar counters to get a drink. There were many customers and bar girls were busy. She waited without calling loudly them as many girls do. Suddenly a local customer. He started to touch her. She tried to stop him and said to him "not like". She was followed by him until her place (sofa near entrance), this guys stayed over one hour holding her and touching sometimes between her legs. Of course there was no color of bills for this time.It was while ago. I don't remember girl's name. She was new, young, helpless and very cute. I had the room with her a day before. I remember that I spent 40 min of one-hour room just kissing and touching her. Her lips were so sweet. Next day I saw the similar situation. Rude man was touching and spanking her while she was waiting for the dring at the bar. She tried to tell him to stop, but no result.

I approached her, call her name, asked if she doesn't forget my Cola and grabbed her shoulder. The man looked at me with the big question sign in his eyes. I smiled, apologized, and told him that we already agreed for the room, and I just took five minutes to the shower. I felt myself like a knight. Needless to say that the session was outstanding in spite of her lack of experience.

Jymondor

01-30-18, 11:34

Since Betty is a small sized girl and looks very young she gets booked often by men wanting her to act and talk like a small child in the room. It's role play.

A few other girls have told me about this interesting service and I was surprised how widely it was requested and the variety of girls, particularly the popular brand name Sharks girls who offered it getting booked for hours.Chrissi was famous with that. She wasn't small and didn't look too young, but she liked squeaking as a little mouse.

Horny Harry

01-30-18, 13:10

Chrissi was famous with that. She wasn't small and didn't look too young, but she liked squeaking as a little mouse.Haha yes. And that was also the part that turned me OFF the most.

Carpe Viam

01-30-18, 18:24

Yes, I know what you want say. I myself have seen many free couch time in clubs. There are always good reasons for this act. But in any case, it has nothing to do with that happened Mihaela, because during this couch time with a local last Friday, she does not smile or talk with him. She looked away and winced all the time.

The free couch time, not only the girls who are looking for the customers desperately, but also the top girls do that with their favorite customers. For example, I saw Aurelia with Turkish, Nastia with Albanian and Cosmina with Asians (I do not mention here girls in activities). They need it to evacuate the stresses they have accumulated during the day by doing many rooms.

Speaking of Janine's case, a natural beauty German woman recently explained to me a particular case that may be applicable to Janine's situation. As she is beautiful and has a nice smile and no sick family in her country, she absolutely does not need to go out and chase clients all the time. On the other hand, she does not go to the room with all the customers who come to her, in short she is selective. That's why she stays next to her German friends to easily refuse unwanted customers. Because, there were even some customers getting upset and pursuing her in the club when she refused him to go to the room. She said she serves her friends as a shield to defend heavy customers.

Personally, I benefited from several free couch time. But I had to listen at length to the girls' complaint about their situation in the club. This was not at all very nice experiences LOL.

I understand what you are saying Carpe Viam and the implications you make. As a counter to what you say, and I am not saying that I am in support or total agreement with it, is that many girls provide ample couch time for customers for no recompense. You see German men sit with girls for hours and hours. In many instances it is where the girl specifically go to the man to to sit with them. You never see these men pay the girls for their time or for all the touch and cuddling they receive.

You may Recall Janine the German girl would sit for hours and hours smoking with her German fan club and I doubt I ever saw her paid for her social time even when she was seen being groped and held tightly by the German fan club..

Carpe Viam

01-30-18, 18:42

It was while ago. I don't remember girl's name. She was new, young, helpless and very cute. I had the room with her a day before. I remember that I spent 40 min of one-hour room just kissing and touching her. Her lips were so sweet. Next day I saw the similar situation. Rude man was touching and spanking her while she was waiting for the dring at the bar. She tried to tell him to stop, but no result.

I approached her, call her name, asked if she doesn't forget my Cola and grabbed her shoulder. The man looked at me with the big question sign in his eyes. I smiled, apologized, and told him that we already agreed for the room, and I just took five minutes to the shower. I felt myself like a knight. Needless to say that the session was outstanding in spite of her lack of experience.Yes, you are really a hero nowadays. In addition, with this type of approach, you have avoided the anger of the guy. Good job.

A few years ago, a girl told me what happened with her customer-stalker. Usually, after their 1 h room, this customer-stalker follows her throughout the club. And he always joins without permission at the table when she eats (anyway, she does not have the right to refuse to share the table with a client according to the club's rules). One day, a drunken customer harassed her for about over ten minutes. Our customer-stalker was that day too and was watching this poor girl. But he did nothing to evacuate this drunken customer. After she managed to escape from the drunken customer, our small customer-stalker came to her saying that "are you okay? ". She has never been with him after that day LOL.

Turgid

01-30-18, 19:06

I understand what you are saying Carpe Viam and the implications you make. As a counter to what you say, and I am not saying that I am in support or total agreement with it, is that many girls provide ample couch time for customers for no recompense. You see German men sit with girls for hours and hours. In many instances it is where the girl specifically go to the man to to sit with them. You never see these men pay the girls for their time or for all the touch and cuddling they receive.

You may Recall Janine the German girl would sit for hours and hours smoking with her German fan club and I doubt I ever saw her paid for her social time even when she was seen being groped and held tightly by the German fan club.

There are many other girls that give extended couch time for no extra money.

There is still the prevailing culture in FKK amongst men, from what I see from my perspective is that payment is for room time and couch time is not paid for.There are also those girls who give you ample couch time in an attempt to work you up for room time; Gloria Ro. comes to mind.

Member #4585

01-30-18, 19:32

Member #4585

01-30-18, 19:35

My memory is quite poor, but is Betty not the brunette with glasses and a big pair of knockers?Correct. Betty is not the brunette girl with glasses and large knockers. Betty is the brunette girl with blonde highlights who is petite size with KF32 waist like Abbie had, with A cup breasts. She sits under the Fish Tank.

The implication that Betty was making was a lot men were interested in very young girls to the point of being children hence the girl had to act and talk like a young child. Of course she is paid for this service but it is a fetish or perversion that is prevalent and is sought after.

ExpatLover

01-30-18, 20:50

Well done Jymondor.Probably are you speaking about a girl with a little bit baby fat and a mix of brown to blonde hair, she is there for 3 weeks and she is not so innocent or naive she worked before more than 1 year in a laufhaus where the girls are learning how to behave with guys to get the maximum money from them.

ExpatLover

01-30-18, 21:05

Sorry but I am not allowed to open a new thread, I was so upset by the poor sessions I am getting in Shark and Oase that I decided to give a try to Pirate Park in Bruchsal and I must say that I was very positively surprised. Very friendly staff, nice and clean premises, nice sauna and very good food. At 3 PM the LU consists of around 15 girls including 3 stunners who can easily compete with the top girls of Shark or Oase. Only few men, no asian guys. In this place you are feeling very relax no stress at all, the girls are very friendly and really not pushing to go to the room. Had a great session with one girl, probably the best session in the recent years 1 hour for 100 including everything I like. This place just remind me what were the big clubs several years back when the center of everything was the satisfaction of the customer. I spoke with several german senior mongers who are also very upset about what is happening in the big hessen clubs and they are switching to this club or FKK First or FKK ROM. Pirate Park is a far better club than Mondial, I will definitely come back very soon but what a great surprise today and I advice all the guys who have a car to give a try to this club.

Sirioja

01-30-18, 21:15

She will learn what to do in those situations. If not, she couldn't work in this industry.I don't know this girl, but I can only agree with him, some really nice, sweet girls change behavior after experiencing bad manners. I remember Megan telling about "want everything for only 50 €" guys at Sharks, even some say Globe is stressful for girls, but since April she started at Globe, she never returned at Sharks. Some star girls also left Sharks because of some Sharks clients behavior and they didn't go with turkish, so not turkish behavior fault.

Just a pity.

When I go to a girl, in any club, for first time, or every week, I can touch, or caress her hands, often looking at her nails, I can look how her legs, or pussy are shaved and at her feet, her make up, her hair, her teeth, but I never touched a girl tits, or pussy, or ass, before going to room, even with a girl like Megan, when I was her most regular client for many months.

Just what I call respect for girls. I pay only for time for sex in room, so I only chat out of room.

When I don't want to go with a girl, I prefer not to make her lose her time with me.

Guys behavior make girls behavior.

DaWong949

01-30-18, 21:31

Nick The G

01-30-18, 22:40

I felt myself like a knight. Needless to say that the session was outstanding in spite of her lack of experience.What seemingly noble state of mind of an experienced monger! That game is called "good cop, bad cop". Apparently, some people (men and women) need to go into brothels to play it and take advantage of it.

Of course it is okay To help someone! But what type of noble knight feels the need to fuck a woman he had just helped? I tend to say your tale of "Noblesse" is a mask!

Did you at least spent that other guy a drink afterwards, who unknowingly helped you to take advantage of that girl in your tricky ways?

Jimmy Boy 99

01-31-18, 00:07

What seemingly noble state of mind of an experienced monger! That game is called "good cop, bad cop". Apparently, some people (men and women) need to go into brothels to play it and take advantage of it.

Of course it is okay To help someone! But what type of noble knight feels the need to fuck a woman he had just helped? I tend to say your tale of "Noblesse" is a mask!

Did you at least spent that other guy a drink afterwards, who unknowingly helped you to take advantage of that girl in your tricky ways?What are you smoking? You feel sorry for the molester and criticize Jymondor? He knew the girl, since he sessioned with her the day before. He got her away from an asshole who was molesting her without causing a scene. He gave her a session (which she is there for) that he may not have been planning on. This is taking advantage of her? You want him to buy a drink for the asshole who was molesting her? The asshole is lucky management wasn't called to throw him out.

Jymondor

01-31-18, 00:14

Jymondor

01-31-18, 00:41

The free couch time, not only the girls who are looking for the customers desperately, but also the top girls do that with their favorite customers. For example, I saw Aurelia with Turkish, Nastia with Albanian and Cosmina with Asians (I do not mention here girls in activities). They need it to evacuate the stresses they have accumulated during the day by doing many rooms.Well, maybe. But maybe not. I would assume that some top girls are paid for couch time as well. Other way, I cannot explain what I've seen a couple of years ago. Cosmina and Evita were sitting with two Asian guys on the sofa next to the mirror room. My favourite place is on the sofa between the dancing pole and sado-maso room. So I could hear what happening there without understanding the words. I heard that Cosmina and Evita were chatting non-stop each to other. Two bored Asian guys were sitting between them with no signs of any activity. This lasted for the hours and hours. Either those guys paid their coach time or they paid very fat tips for the rooms. Actually, I didn't even see they went to the rooms. This always was a mystery to me.

Gorge2

01-31-18, 00:47

Jymondor

01-31-18, 00:50

One day, a drunken customer harassed her for about over ten minutes.I don't see security guys in Sharks main area. But they are definitely on duty somewhere. Shouldn't girls to show some signs to bar attendants to call the security in the situation like that. I assume that girls should be protected from the harassment somehow. Or nobody cares?

Tedesco

01-31-18, 01:31

I .... security guys in Sharks main area. But they are definitely on duty somewhere ,,,,, Or nobody cares?The space of the building being part of Sharks begins already a few metres from the automobile sales point. And security guys aren't there not only for security but they also may provide services when technical problems come up.

RichCandyMan

01-31-18, 02:02

There are also those girls who give you ample couch time in an attempt to work you up for room time; Gloria Ro. comes to mind.Do you happen to know where the Gloria. RO is working?

Any information appreciated.

RichCandyMan

01-31-18, 02:16

Haha yes. And that was also the part that turned me OFF the most.What is wrong with Lexi with not blond and not dark hair, weird way ro have hair like that.

Don't know if I can deal with her new look, but I don't have a courage to tell her.

May be other people feels the same way?

TankTank123

01-31-18, 04:47

I heard that Cosmina and Evita were chatting non-stop each to other. Two bored Asian guys were sitting between them with no signs of any activity. This lasted for the hours and hours. Either those guys paid their coach time or they paid very fat tips for the rooms. Actually, I didn't even see they went to the rooms.This always was a mystery to me.I saw almost exactly the same thing 2-3 years ago. Except that they were on the couch opposite the dance pole with 1 Asian guy between them. I was sitting opposite them on the couch beside the dance pole, hoping to get hold of Evita who from my viewpoint was seated on the extreme left. After a 15 minute wait, I went to sit on the extreme right beside Cosmina as there was some space there in the hope of determining whether they were really booked up. Could not tell as Evita and Cosmina were just chatting non-stop with other across him.

After another 15 minutes, when the guy went to the toilet, I asked Evita whether she was free, and she replied that she was with that guy. About 4 hours later, I saw the 3 of them head upstairs. I found out later from another girl that he booked and paid them for the whole day. I hope this clears up your 'mystery'.

TankTank123

01-31-18, 04:58

My memory is quite poor, but is Betty not the brunette with glasses and a big pair of knockers?That would probably be Jessica. Knockers were enhanced in 2016, in an attempt to keep up with her then threesome partner Roxanna.

ExpatLover

01-31-18, 05:24

What are you smoking? You feel sorry for the molester and criticize Jymondor? He knew the girl, since he sessioned with her the day before. He got her away from an asshole who was molesting her without causing a scene. He gave her a session (which she is there for) that he may not have been planning on. This is taking advantage of her? You want him to buy a drink for the asshole who was molesting her? The asshole is lucky management wasn't called to throw him out.Sorry but if a girl is molesting for 1 hour it is so easy for her to change place or to complain to the reception, after 15 years of FKK never so something like that lasting more than several minutes, are you sure this guy is a asshole, at the end of the day we as local guys can go so often we want to the FKK and more and more guys from outside don't really understand the total game ongoing in a club which is normal. Never forget that all the girls are prostitutes and even they are saying they are new in the job "it is my first club" I am just coming from roumania" it is not true. The girls know that some guys are looking for some kind of virgin and fresh innocent girl. Most of the girls will never start in a big FKK usually they start in a small club or even more often in a laufhaus where the things are more quiet and they get a kind of training. Never be naiv, the girls don t need to be protected they have enough pimps or BF around them to do it.

ExpatLover

01-31-18, 05:53

I saw almost exactly the same thing 2-3 years ago. Except that they were on the couch opposite the dance pole with 1 Asian guy between them. I was sitting opposite them on the couch beside the dance pole, hoping to get hold of Evita who from my viewpoint was seated on the extreme left. After a 15 minute wait, I went to sit on the extreme right beside Cosmina as there was some space there in the hope of determining whether they were really booked up. Could not tell as Evita and Cosmina were just chatting non-stop with other across him.

After another 15 minutes, when the guy went to the toilet, I asked Evita whether she was free, and she replied that she was with that guy. About 4 hours later, I saw the 3 of them head upstairs. I found out later from another girl that he booked and paid them for the whole day. I hope this clears up your 'mystery'.Obviously you are right, no girl will stay hours with a guy without paying paid, the girls are there to earn money not to seat on the couch for nothing, if this happen in a club like Shark or Oase immediately the veteran girls will strongly react by putting a lot of pressure on the girl. We should not be naive like in all the organization in the clubs exists a hierarchie and the management is controlling nothing. Girls have always the power to destroy the life from girls who are not willing to cooperate, they can ask their pimps or BF to speak with her, or explaining to the girl if she doesn't follow their rules they will start to explain in her home place that she is not working in a bar or restaurant but that she is a prostitute in Germany, usually this kind of argument will make the girl cooperating.

Member #4585

01-31-18, 07:34

There are also those girls who give you ample couch time in an attempt to work you up for room time; Gloria Ro. comes to mind.Gloria ro is a whack job.

Gives plentiful deep throat blowjob though. Takes the cock to the back of her throat to get as much of you in as possible.

Member #4585

01-31-18, 07:41

I saw almost exactly the same thing 2-3 years ago. Except that they were on the couch opposite the dance pole with 1 Asian guy between them. I was sitting opposite them on the couch beside the dance pole, hoping to get hold of Evita who from my viewpoint was seated on the extreme left. After a 15 minute wait, I went to sit on the extreme right beside Cosmina as there was some space there in the hope of determining whether they were really booked up. Could not tell as Evita and Cosmina were just chatting non-stop with other across him.

After another 15 minutes, when the guy went to the toilet, I asked Evita whether she was free, and she replied that she was with that guy. About 4 hours later, I saw the 3 of them head upstairs. I found out later from another girl that he booked and paid them for the whole day. I hope this clears up your 'mystery'.These sit downs with Asian customers are very frequent for Cosmina and Evita, and now with Cosmina moved on, Evita continues to perform them being booked out all day. I get the impression the all day bookings are paid but sometimes I am skeptical as to quantum and for which parts of the all day booking are paid for. Usually there is a lot of bottles of alcohol involved with the sit downs with customers. Once again many customers do not pay for the girl for drinking with them. The social time drinking is for the girl to get a room booking.

Somehow by chance I sat with and got talking to one Asian American guy who was waiting for Evita to become free after another Asian customer. He said he does not pay for the couch time but only the room time with Evita and he got extensive couch time with Evita. Later on I saw his man go with Evita to the couch and stay there a long time, definitely over half hour, maybe one hour or more, before they disappear to the room.

Whatever the case, Evita excels at getting long time bookings with customers to drink alcohol or no alcohol whether paid or unpaid for her time.

Member #4585

01-31-18, 08:04

I had a one hour session with Serena. Holy shit her face is beautiful. I've been having trouble with staying erect lately but her face ensured I stayed hard the whole session. She told me she's going to Romania for a month tomorrow though so don't expect to have a session with her anytime soon.I like Serena. She is a pretty, slim, petite blonde. She kisses okay but the service is less than spectacular. Her tits have an appearance of being inverted.

A friend of mine thinks he has been with Serena and went to her to chat assuming prior sexual knowledge rhat she would pay him some attention. The result was that Serena just blanked him since she had no recollection of a wild time in the room with him. I think my friend confused Serena with someone else. Serena remembers me.

She used to sit where Scarlet sits on the couches backing onto the stairs to the upstairs rooms. But recently she has migrated to sit with the pole dancer group. I have seen her doing Asian guys with Mila in group sex sessions since they have a similar look being both blonde, slim and petite with around KF34 waist.

Thanks for the intel that she will be away for some time.

Rogue Nation

01-31-18, 08:39

If you see non regulars getting hours and hours of couch time: They are paying the girls.

Different pair of shoes with locals. Some get a lot of free couch time. Others don't. Some are paying for the time trying to hide that from others to show off. Stupid but true.

Nick The G

01-31-18, 11:17

ExpatLover

01-31-18, 11:48

These sit downs with Asian customers are very frequent for Cosmina and Evita, and now with Cosmina moved on, Evita continues to perform them being booked out all day. I get the impression the all day bookings are paid but sometimes I am skeptical as to quantum and for which parts of the all day booking are paid for. Usually there is a lot of bottles of alcohol involved with the sit downs with customers. Once again many customers do not pay for the girl for drinking with them. The social time drinking is for the girl to get a room booking.

Somehow by chance I sat with and got talking to one Asian American guy who was waiting for Evita to become free after another Asian customer. He said he does not pay for the couch time but only the room time with Evita and he got extensive couch time with Evita. Later on I saw his man go with Evita to the couch and stay there a long time, definitely over half hour, maybe one hour or more, before they disappear to the room.

Whatever the case, Evita excels at getting long time bookings with customers to drink alcohol or no alcohol whether paid or unpaid for her time.I think that you are wrong, the girls are paid to drink with the guys most of the girls will take 500 euros for a evening from 8 PM to closing or around 800 to 1000 euros for a full day booking, this is at least my own experience. Never a girl can seat long hours without being paid the other girls will not accept it. A FFK is not a smooth place their is a lot of tuf competition between girls.

BigBuddy69

01-31-18, 13:09

The guy helps a girl who doesn't know how to react to an harasser, I can't see what's wrong with this. Even if it's not life threatening, maybe it's very humiliating for the girl.

Turgid

01-31-18, 13:51

Gloria ro is a whack job.

Gives plentiful deep throat blowjob though. Takes the cock to the back of her throat to get as much of you in as possible.You are lucky. She didn't treat me so nice at all and the FS was memorable for all the wrong reasons.

Member #4585

01-31-18, 14:35

You are lucky. She didn't treat me so nice at all and the FS was memorable for all the wrong reasons.Speaking to some of brand name Queens at Sharks, their opinion of Gloria was she was a whack job as well. She was not totally all there in the head. A lot of fun if you like them crazy.

I am glad the full service has memories. Gives you something to wank over when you are all alone and need something to get you over the line.

ExpatLover

01-31-18, 15:29

Speaking to some of brand name Queens at Sharks, their opinion of Gloria was she was a whack job as well. She was not totally all there in the head. A lot of fun if you like them crazy.

I am glad the full service has memories. Gives you something to wank over when you are all alone and need something to get you over the line.If now we are asking the other prostitutes what they think about their competitors, let us be reasonable Bitumen you are a more than senior member and you are perfectly aware that we can believe nothing coming out of the mouth of a prostitute except " I want your money and as much as possible". I am never spending more than 5% of my income with prostitute, and I think it is reasonable to do like this in other to keep safe, I am also never but never believing one word of those girls even the most sweet one that I take out of the clubs for some days, they are all in the same mindset, the most clever are those who stay in the clubs but those who are leaving and never come back. Most of the girls in the big clubs are veteran and no more able to do other things in their life that sucking dicks all day long, spending their money on useless things or supporting pimps, I will never understand why some of us are so frustrated in their life that they consider those girls like queens or stars. I will never married such girls just because they went too far and will never be able to come back to a normal life, I have no consideration for them or what they do, all have the choice to quit today and to start a normal life full of self esteem. Respect and personal development.

Staple Stable

02-01-18, 03:30

That would probably be Jessica. Knockers were enhanced in 2016, in an attempt to keep up with her then threesome partner Roxanna.Ah, I see; I didn't have a chance to talk to her myself, and only heard about her from someone else. The one I'm referring to looks a lot like Melanie, but has a much larger chest. Will definitely have to try next time I'm there.

Rogue Nation

02-01-18, 09:52

ExpatLover

02-01-18, 20:19

Arrived at 4 PM, the club was more or less dead, a lot of girls no man, first time in many years that I see that. Difficult to understand why for the girls because it is the first day of the month and usually it is good because they guys got the salary. After after hour the situation deteriorated a lot for the girls more and more girls and still very few mongers. The girls were quite aggressive even with me but I tried to keep them quiet. Most of the girls are complaining about a poor month of January and that more and more rooms for 50 euro have to be done obviously with reduced service but nevertheless they get fucked. I saw some new and fresh girls at the reception which could be a positive sign for next week. A lady was the sauna master today and have done a great job.

Carpe Viam

02-01-18, 21:24

Look and think by yourself. Without smile and conversation during 1 h of free time is a fruit of good management? She hadn't even 30 minutes room after this.

So a guy forced a girl who was trying to get away from him against her will to stay with him and was touching her for an hour? I guess you got the situation wrong. The girls know how to handle such a situation unless he was her "boyfriend". There's plenty of staff, other girls, clients and also security.

Nick The G

02-02-18, 00:24

Amalia, Aphrodite, Dali, Daria, Dea, Elif, Ivy, Julie, Lexi, Jennifer, Steffi, are back at work!

Shingen

02-02-18, 01:29

Does anyone know where she is right now? She is a blonde Dutch-German with big ass. Last time I saw her was more than a half year ago.

Member #4585

02-02-18, 02:22

My first session with Evita on May 28,2015.

I've repeated her only three times so far, because she's been so busy.Following the advice of MyTwoinches there is no problem getting a repeat session with Evita.

Or take the advice of Horny Harry and just go up to Evita and ask her. Just do not be disappointed if she says no since she is busy waiting for some one else.

Member #4585

02-02-18, 02:32

One of the girls I would like to session with again is Mandy (obviously). I was lucky enough last trip to session twice. That said, I'm pretty sure she won't remember me, given how popular she is, though you never know. I'm hoping I can book her, though if not, not a problem. Like I always say, there's so many beautiful women at Sharks, you shouldn't be upset if you can't find a certain girl you were planning for.I am quite sure Mandy will remember you.

To be sure of a re-booking with Mandy you can get her digits and agree a time to see her. She is very Germanic in keeping her appointments.

If not then take your luck to see if she is unemployed or she can fit you around her other appointments.

Member #4585

02-02-18, 02:41

I think Oase is a good plan, I would like to add it in to the mix again but I have too much fun over paying at Sharks on discount days paying Sharks 100 E for 45 minutes (if I am lucky and they do not shorten me to 35 or 40 minutes) and allowing them multiple cigarette breaks (I permit one smoke every 15 minutes) in the rooms to futz around during said ' hour' in return for no couch time at all in the lounge and tipping them the standard 15 percent American style service tip (15 E) as well in addition to buying them a drink. I heard one pole dancer tell me she has to fuck 10-12 men a day at least on discount days fucking locals for the full 30 minutes and has to go home to her boyfriend / pimp for her obligatory fuck in the middle of the night with a bright red sore pussy so I felt sorry for her and offered her the above deal.Good offer for the Sharks girls Kosher Kowboy and very considerate of you for the girls that fuck 10 to 15 guys a day on cheap discounted entry on Wednesdays and Sundays. The girls must really get sore pussies from all that pounding.

Rogue Nation

02-02-18, 08:21

Look and think by yourself. Without smile and conversation during 1 h of free time is a fruit of good management? She hadn't even 30 minutes room after this.Maybe not that day. Maybe she had a long room with him the day before or a few days after and she knows that it was a good investment. Not one she liked, but financially making sense.

My point was: I doubt that a girl will be forced to sit with a guy against her will for an hour at Sharks.

ExpatLover

02-02-18, 08:52

I am quite sure Mandy will remember you.

To be sure of a re-booking with Mandy you can get her digits and agree a time to see her. She is very Germanic in keeping her appointments.

If not then take your luck to see if she is unemployed or she can fit you around her other appointments.Right but there are also many other girls worth a trial, mandy is making the buzz but personally I never repeat with her, she is just too pro and mechanical.

ExpatLover

02-02-18, 08:58

Amalia, Aphrodite, Dali, Daria, Dea, Elif, Ivy, Julie, Lexi, Jennifer, Steffi, are back at work!So many girls are back to work and also a lot of new one, yesterday was full of girls and very few guys, never so this before probably at 7 PM 40 to 50 girls hunting like crazy for a session. I think many girls tried something else in January may be escort in london or in spain but nw are back to Germany.

Kosher Kowboy

02-02-18, 12:21

Good offer for the Sharks girls Kosher Kowboy and very considerate of you for the girls that fuck 10 to 15 guys a day on cheap discounted entry on Wednesdays and Sundays. The girls must really get sore pussies from all that pounding.My offer was really just being sarcastic about being shorted hours and three 15 minute breaks etc. But the PD's and many others were most appreciative of the 100 hours on the discount days. I will not say which PD it was who got 100 from me but I did ask her why they (that group) hardly talks to me. They told me outright I was not Asian and they also told me they assumed up until now I was German and not American (probably why I am always greeted in German) . I asked her what that meant and she pretty much told me to some extent ' it means you will be cheap and pay no more than 50 E and you will want to use the full 30 minutes' so it means more work for us and we prefer the tourists not Germans. ' She than went on to tell me how much they love Americans and Asians and hearing about our countries and the great cities and culture and all I could think in the back of my head is these girls are trying to pump the egos of the Asians and North Americans at the expense of the local Germans who they may feel are cheap or not, their problem not mine of which clients they want to go after. They just want the Dollars and The Yen from abroad not the 50 E notes if what they say is true of Germans not wanting to pay more than 50 E on those days or any days.

I get the impression the Germans are the bread and butter, the ' peanut butter and jelly' of discount days and the girls will do those 50 rooms back to back but it is not their first option so yes Bituman, they did seem to welcome almost fight over the 100 E sessions. All of a sudden I walk in there I am now hounded by them. I never thought I looked German maybe dying my hair blond and getting blue contacts did me in. I walk in to Sharks now they all attack for that 100 note now and they all say Hello, in English now.

Member #4585

02-02-18, 12:32

What you say is similar to what I have heard as feedback as well from German and Romanian girls. Not just the pole dancer girls.

Yes. There are girls who particularly target the Asians and North American customers in the club as they will tend to pay more than 50 euro. But yes there are many Asians doing half hour 50 euro rooms too.

Which one is the preferred customer? The 100 euro payer or the 50 euro payer for a session?

Easy answer.

My offer was really just being sarcastic about being shorted hours and three 15 minute breaks etc. But the PD's and many others were most appreciative of the 100 hours on the discount days. I will not say which PD it was who got 100 from me but I did ask her why they (that group) hardly talks to me. They told me outright I was not Asian and they also told me they assumed up until now I was German and not American (probably why I am always greeted in German) . I asked her what that meant and she pretty much told me to some extent ' it means you will be cheap and pay no more than 50 E and you will want to use the full 30 minutes' so it means more work for us and we prefer the tourists not Germans. ' She than went on to tell me how much they love Americans and Asians and hearing about our countries and the great cities and culture and all I could think in the back of my head is these girls are trying to pump the egos of the Asians and North Americans at the expense of the local Germans who they may feel are cheap or not, their problem not mine of which clients they want to go after. They just want the Dollars and The Yen from abroad not the 50 E notes if what they say is true of Germans not wanting to pay more than 50 E on those days or any days.

I get the impression the Germans are the bread and butter, the ' peanut butter and jelly' of discount days and the girls will do those 50 rooms back to back but it is not their first option so yes Bituman, they did seem to welcome almost fight over the 100 E sessions. All of a sudden I walk in there I am now hounded by them. I never thought I looked German maybe dying my hair blond and getting blue contacts did me in. I walk in to Sharks now they all attack for that 100 note now and they all say Hello, in English now.

Kosher Kowboy

02-02-18, 12:42

Rogue Nation

02-02-18, 12:48

But yes there are many Asians doing half hour 50 euro rooms too.

Which one is the preferred customer? The 100 euro payer or the 50 euro payer for a session?

Easy answer.The correct statement is: There are many Asians doing 50 EUR rooms (which last between 8 and 15 minutes). Then the question "Which one is the preferred customer?" might have a different answer.

Turgid

02-02-18, 14:11

I now use the 50 room as a ' tryout' for the ' 100' rooms which I find more enjoyable and truth be told I really do not care about the extra 50 what else will I do with my time. I figure I may as well spend it getting an even longer blowjob or eating their pussies considering the countless hours I spend preparing for and researching trips I would rather be in the room than roaming the floors or sitting on couches and since I am not German (and now a pegged Yankee) I am entitled to no free couch time as the Germans get all that apparently. I get the goose egg. And I am happy...My problem is that I have an incorrigible desire for quantity, which is actually why I monger. My use of time would be to spend that extra 50 on a different chick rather than 100 on the same girl. 2 for the price of 1 so to speak.

Kosher Kowboy

02-02-18, 14:17

My problem is that I have an incorrigible desire for quantity, which is actually why I monger. My use of time would be to spend that extra 50 on a different chick rather than 100 on the same girl. 2 for the price of 1 so to speak.Very true, def a balance we all have to weigh and the third ball to juggle in there is the optics vs perceived service (the 4th ball) . 50/100/ optics and service. All we can do is adjust to our own desires and wishes. I just can not do 3 (50 e) ones a day anymore for a week straight like olden days. :(

I wish I had your problem (I would say you are ' blessed' to knock them down 50 E at a time) but for me it kind of varies on trips now, how in shape I am in, who is there etc.

The beauty of it all is all options are there in front of our eyes and most of the time they are naked :D

WilliamHuntley

02-02-18, 14:50

I will be visiting Sharks for the first time in a few weeks. I will come out and say that I have a smoking fetish. It sounds like almost all FKK girls smoke. My question is this. Will they want to charge me extra if I ask them to indulge my fetish during the session? I am talking about smoking while we do the fun stuff. Or am I just getting lucky with this particular fetish?

My second question is what are the current prices for beer and hard liquor? Price to buy a girl a drink? Can full liquor bottles be purchased?

Thanks in advance for any insight!

Nick The G

02-02-18, 16:19

My problem is that I have an incorrigible desire for quantity, ... I'm pretty sure you were born with that.

And since one mother was not enough, for sure you had several, or?

Be careful: things that are incorrigible in a world full of change will lead to big tensions.

Sirioja

02-02-18, 17:17

Maybe not that day. Maybe she had a long room with him the day before or a few days after and she knows that it was a good investment. Not one she liked, but financially making sense.

My point was: I doubt that a girl will be forced to sit with a guy against her will for an hour at Sharks.I don't know for this girl, but she could leave the guy.

Don't believe all what is written.

KenzoTange

02-02-18, 19:41

Is there a Alicia / Alyssa / Alice that works at Sharks?

My friend and I saw a girl 1,65, brunette who was a complete headturner. Sadly she was grabbing a drink and heading back upstairs. He caught her name, but it wasn't clear.

Turgid

02-02-18, 21:51

I'm pretty sure you were born with that.

And since one mother was not enough, for sure you had several, or?

Be careful: things that are incorrigible in a world full of change will lead to big tensions.I do need help. From a female psychiatrist with big knockers....or maybe two.

MonSooner

02-02-18, 23:04

My question is this. Will they want to charge me extra if I ask them to indulge my fetish during the session? I am talking about smoking while we do the fun stuff. Or am I just getting lucky with this particular fetish?

My second question is what are the current prices for beer and hard liquor? Price to buy a girl a drink? Can full liquor bottles be purchased?You will surely have a 100% success rate with this fetish. Sure, they're creative in how to ask extras for all kinds of silly things but they'll not see it coming.

Bottles can be purchased for sure. Liqueur and Champagne etc.

Prices are medium range. I do not remember because I didn't buy anything other than the sex.

ExpatLover

02-03-18, 00:48

Takedown

02-03-18, 04:17

My second question is what are the current prices for beer and hard liquor? Price to buy a girl a drink? Can full liquor bottles be purchased?

Thanks in advance for any insight!You can get a full drink menu at the bar.

Rough estimate of prices:

-Beers are 6-8 euro.

-Wines start at around 8 euro per glass and around 35-40 euro per bottle.

-Champagne bottles available from 60 euro prosseco to 500 euro bottle of Dom.

-Hard liquors 8-15 euro.

*Sharks bartenders are strict on their pours. One shot is strictly 1 oz, so go for the doubles. 12-15 euro per double. At the very least it makes it so you don’t have to take your bracelet off for the bartender to scan so many times.

-Bottles of liquor range from 150-300 euro. Bottle of Jack was 200 euro. Johnny Black was I think 200/250 euro, red was 150/175 euro. Remember they generally sell 750 ML bottles in europe, not 1 L bottles.

Same price for drinks for girls. But don't buy them Red Bull. You pay 6 euro while they pay 3 if they buy it.

Kempie

02-03-18, 14:32

Did anybody see Diana this year already?

KenzoTange

02-03-18, 20:14

I ask this forum three weeks ago what I should do in case a night at Sharks does not go right. Ha ha ha-- that was silly. Sharks is amazing.

In my country I go to clubs with my friends. We walk around and talk to girls. 1 of 10 girls maybe interested in more talking and dancing. 1 of 50 girls maybe want to sleep with me. And most of the time she is maybe a 7 or 8.

I go to sharks. . . My eyeballs do not know where to focus. I want everything! And I can have it! Instead of me walk around asking girls and get rejects after rejects. I sit at bar enjoy my drink and pretty girl comes up. Amazing.

So of everyone want details.

First girl that come up to me is pretty Romanian girl. She's very nice and flirty but not my type. Thank you but bye bye.

Later I see two girls walk around. One blond one brown. Blond has very nice tits. We make eye contact and she ask if I want her and friend. I say sorry to the friend because she has no tits. Only want blond. Blond is Micki from Czech. I make mickey mouse joke but she does not like. Probably heard 1000 times before, sorry. We go to room. My penis is already erect. She ask what I want. I want to fuck those tits. 50 euro extra. Fuck. Okay. She gets on the bed, puts oil all over her tits. Ask me if I want to rub them. Of course! I rub her tits and my penis is rock hard. I put my penis between her beautiful tits and start slide it back and forth. Her tits feel really good.

Shit. I almost cum but we have 1 hour. I stop and ask her to get on top. She rides me good. I wish she was taller so I can suck and lick her tits while she rides me. I tell her to turn around and ride me reverse cowgirl.

Oh fuck, this girl has an ass too. I grab that ass as it grinds on my penis. It is a nice and firm ass. I squeeze it. I slap it. She does not like. Sorry. I want that ass. I pull her off and put her on her hands and legs. Let me admire this ass. I kiss her ass then put myself in her. This ass is hot.

Goddamn I am fucking a czech girl like rocco. This is my dream. Theres a mirror in the room and I see myself fucking this beautiful girl doggystyle. Her tits are clapping every time I slam myself against her ass. This is the life. This is. Argghhh. I cum. Ahhhh.

I don't know how much time has past, but probably 15 minutes. Oh well. I paid more for not as nice girls in osaka, so whatever. We clean up, I pay micki 100 euros.

Later I fuck two more girls. But the first one. You always remember the first.

Sharks. You spoiled me. I cannot go to normal club anymore. Why should I waste a whole night and probably will not get laid.

Germans. You are so lucky. Thank you for inventing the FKK. Danke schone!

DaWong949

02-04-18, 01:52

MonSooner

02-04-18, 14:17

It is truly amazing to see how things can change in the neglectable course of a year.

Sunday is happy hour day and the club is well attended already at 14:00 but not yet crowded. Also not that many ladies present yet. So far so good. Food fine. Omelette tasted well, no complaints.

But the thing with the new rule is ever present and lingers above our heads. Girls can now easily decline every guy by applying the rule and just offer basics. Most people will then give up.

Saw a group of the best looking regular girls waving a guy off laughing behind his back as he wanders off ever so beaten and destroyed. And without listening it was clear to me how the conversation went.

Right now those were the absolute stunners. Do not know the names yet but super slim and super huge natural knockers on the black haired one. A face to die for and A nice smile. And the other one like her blonde sister just as perfect but with smaller boobs.

Anyway I will report again with how I fared in my endeavours. I am still optimistic sort of. But it is all harder now and believe it or not I find it easier to monger in Austria now.

KenzoTange

02-04-18, 14:30

Is there a Micky or Niki from CZ? I had this girl told me that she was from CZ but I found it out later she is RO. But who cares, as long as she look and feel great for you at that time.Exactly. If she is hot and we fuck well then it does not matter when she is from.

Question for the more experienced mongers: how do you negotiate with girls while still receive good service?

I am afraid if I bargain down she will not be happy and will not give good sex like kisses. I am beginner and she always upsell me to 100 euro. Maybe I am thinking too much with little head.

Member #4585

02-04-18, 15:50

Did anybody see Diana this year already?Salut Kempie,

Diana, the slim (40 kg) blondie with the bouncy gravity defying be cup natural breasts, who is your number one girl has not been seen by me in all January. Need to check her social media.

Howie

02-04-18, 16:54

Right now those were the absolute stunners. Do not know the names yet but super slim and super huge natural knockers on the black haired one. A face to die for and A nice smile. And the other one like her blonde sister just as perfect but with smaller boobs.Could be Brenda and Rebecca. Fucked them both last week. If you're willing to spend good money, you'll get good service with those two.

Howie

Rogue Nation

02-04-18, 17:40

But the thing with the new rule is ever present and lingers above our heads. Girls can now easily decline every guy by applying the rule and just offer basics. Most people will then give up.

Saw a group of the best looking regular girls waving a guy off laughing behind his back as he wanders off ever so beaten and destroyed. And without listening it was clear to me how the conversation went.Is it really that clear? Not so sure.

MonSooner

02-04-18, 17:47

Could be Brenda and Rebecca. Fucked them both last week. If you're willing to spend good money, you'll get good service with those two.

HowieExactly. By now I overheard the names. The blonde one is Rebecca.

Had a good session with Alexandra who was a bit difficult but gave me a good time. No discussions of any kind required. A good starting session.

ExpatLover

02-04-18, 19:49

ExpatLover

02-04-18, 20:28

Could be Brenda and Rebecca. Fucked them both last week. If you're willing to spend good money, you'll get good service with those two.

HowieI am not sure it is Brenda, I consider that her boobs are sagging a lot and her face is not really to die for, never saw her smile, she was around this week.

Staple Stable

02-04-18, 20:57

Exactly. If she is hot and we fuck well then it does not matter when she is from.

Question for the more experienced mongers: how do you negotiate with girls while still receive good service?

I am afraid if I bargain down she will not be happy and will not give good sex like kisses. I am beginner and she always upsell me to 100 euro. Maybe I am thinking too much with little head.If you ask for 50 E hh and she gives bad service, you will not see her again. She has now lost a repeat customer, just because she wanted that extra 50 E; she's not going to do that unless she's already very popular. Remember that the girls also pay a fee to get into the club, and that sometimes (especially Friday and Saturday when the club is packed) the girls will not be getting many customers in a day, so anything they can get is welcome.

Also, don't think of it as negotiating (unless you actually are trying to just get a cheaper price for the same time / service, in which case expect no girls to take you). You're just trying to book a shorter appointment, that's it. Talk about starting with a half hour session, and mention that you're open to extending the time if things are going well.

Hickory

02-04-18, 23:43

Could be Brenda and Rebecca. Fucked them both last week. If you're willing to spend good money, you'll get good service with those two.

HowieYes pretty sure he's talking about those two. And agree that if you're willing to pay, they will give good service. On pure looks, I think Rebecca is close to physical perfection (and Brenda not far behind). But unless and until you agree to an 'extra,' she will incessantly complain and upsell. Though if she closes the upsell, her service is quite good. Mixed experience overall.

Kempie

02-04-18, 23:51

Salut Kempie,

Diana, the slim (40 kg) blondie with the bouncy gravity defying be cup natural breasts, who is your number one girl has not been seen by me in all January. Need to check her social media.Thank you, hope she comes back. Hope she comes back. I expected her to start last weekend or this. If she comes back.

Nick The G

02-05-18, 00:02

Ivona and blonde Selena are back, so is Evita. Mandy was not there today. Somewhat low lineup today, many girls not present!

Nick The G

02-05-18, 00:05

Could be Brenda and Rebecca.For sure these two were Brenda and Rebecca! Rebecca has a newly made nose, seems she copied the shape of the one of Brenda!

MonSooner

02-05-18, 02:10

I left with mixed feelings. I had 2 good sessions. One a bit more expensive and I booked CIM. But it is not about the money at all. I used to be able to do 3-5 sessions in a night without much negotiations and worries. But those light-hearted days seem gone.

No way I can find 5 girls (neither in Sharks nor Oase) which don't consider me prey.

Sharks was once a save heaven. Now it is no better than Oase.

Many of the girls also decline 50€ bookings. I saw and heard it. They are very open and vocal about it, too.

TankTank123

02-05-18, 02:38

how do you negotiate The Kenzo Tange I met 30 years ago left negotiations to his son Paul.

ExpatLover

02-05-18, 07:51

Ivona and blonde Selena are back, so is Evita. Mandy was not there today. Somewhat low lineup today, many girls not present!Mostly Sunday LU is quite poor in the recent weeks so I stop to visit. It is also the case for Oase.

Pistons

02-05-18, 13:15

Some sharks girls have started to upsell a little. Thankfully not all of them, but it is unfortunate. Dunno what I think of the lineup. It is OK. Shouldn't complain. Even if some girls were missing. Maybe 8-10 girls shortlisted from wed and Sunday combined.

Some shortlisted girls present:

- Brenda.

- Rebecca.

- Micki.

- Athena.

- Estephania.

- Vicki.

- Betty.

- Alexandra.

- Lexi.

- Lily.

- small Asian girl I forgot the name of.

Also saw Sonia, Egypt, Julia, Susie (from Artemis) and Evita. But I am terrible with names. Maybe 100 girls around in total this weekend.

Missed Mandy, Marlyn, Silvia, Sue, Alexia, Xenia, Sidonia etc. Maybe some of whom has left for good. Some turnover is good, but not if your favourites leave.

Sirioja

02-05-18, 13:30

I don't know for this girl, but she could leave the guy.

Don't believe all what is written.Once again, no meaning after cut. At Sharks, at World, at VIP GT, girls can refuse a guy if they want, when I was said to have forced a girl to have 2 diners on same night and 10 1 hour rooms in 1 months at World on Summer 2015. How a girl can be forced when she ask you to have diners with her, when you would have preferred to have diner with another one who was looking at us, just because she wants You repeat with her, and come to You many times to ask you if you are ready to repeat.

Nevertheless, some little Romanian girls seem afraid to say no to German guys. Real women are not afraid about this, and I like real women.

So many claimed stories in FKK land of jealousy.

MonSooner

02-05-18, 14:10

Sirioja

02-05-18, 14:13

I don't see security guys in Sharks main area. But they are definitely on duty somewhere. Shouldn't girls to show some signs to bar attendants to call the security in the situation like that. I assume that girls should be protected from the harassment somehow. Or nobody cares?This claimed story was not at Sharks, but at World on Saturday 27 June 2015. There is no security at Sharks, but there was Hell's security at World on this time. The claimer can't know what really happened because he was not at World on that night, when the girl, blond Raïssa claiming to be Czech, spent most of her night with me.

MonSooner

02-05-18, 15:00

Is it really that clear? Not so sure.At the time I wrote it, there was maybe a 90% certainty. After last evening and the full experience taken into consideration it is a 99% certainty.

Sharks is in full Oase mode.

If I pay 100 for each session I am sure I will have a good time, though.

One girl yesterday said to me (and I didn't even bring prices and services up at all) 50 is basic without kissing and licking.

100 is still not very expensive so why do I complain. It's just sad to wave goodbye to the ease I once had in Sharks.

WilliamHuntley

02-05-18, 16:55

You will surely have a 100% success rate with this fetish. Sure, they're creative in how to ask extras for all kinds of silly things but they'll not see it coming.

Bottles can be purchased for sure. Liqueur and Champagne etc.

Prices are medium range. I do not remember because I didn't buy anything other than the sex.Great insight. I think you are correct. They love to smoke cigarettes. They will never see my request coming. LOL. I'm just hoping they have a good attitude if they agree to my fetish request.

WilliamHuntley

02-05-18, 16:57

You can get a full drink menu at the bar.

Rough estimate of prices:

-Beers are 6-8 euro.

-Wines start at around 8 euro per glass and around 35-40 euro per bottle.

-Champagne bottles available from 60 euro prosseco to 500 euro bottle of Dom.

-Hard liquors 8-15 euro.

*Sharks bartenders are strict on their pours. One shot is strictly 1 oz, so go for the doubles. 12-15 euro per double. At the very least it makes it so you dont have to take your bracelet off for the bartender to scan so many times.

-Bottles of liquor range from 150-300 euro. Bottle of Jack was 200 euro. Johnny Black was I think 200/250 euro, red was 150/175 euro. Remember they generally sell 750 ML bottles in europe, not 1 L bottles.

Same price for drinks for girls. But don't buy them Red Bull. You pay 6 euro while they pay 3 if they buy it.Exactly the info I was looking for. I love my whiskey. Was trying to figure out if a bottle or single drinks are the better way to go. And, I do admit, I like to drink with someone. Do most girls drink alcohol while working? Or only red bull? .

WilliamHuntley

02-05-18, 19:06

Despite my sort of frustrating experience I am back today at Sharks. Almost empty. I remember that Mondays are weak. I don't mind. I will get some rest maybe. Try to get a spa experience out of it.

I saw some ladies yesterday who I hope to see again today. And all the hassle with the 50 E only basic service story shall continue. Maybe I can win this game today.

Will report back later.I would love to know your Monday experience. I'll be there on a Monday and Tuesday in a few weeks.

What times were you there? Number of girls? Was it a buyers market LOL?

BpLover

02-05-18, 19:43

Yes pretty sure he's talking about those two. And agree that if you're willing to pay, they will give good service. On pure looks, I think Rebecca is close to physical perfection (and Brenda not far behind). But unless and until you agree to an 'extra,' she will incessantly complain and upsell. Though if she closes the upsell, her service is quite good. Mixed experience overall.Physically she is close to perfect maybe. The body that is. Her face has a certain pornstar look which will be appealing to most people. As will the long blond hair and the blown-up lips. Nose job, too? Makes sense and fits the overall persona, I would say.

Service? I clearly advise against session with her for various reasons unless having sex with a girl like that is a dream come true for you. I personally would never repeat.

The constant baby this and baby that is a pain in the A and licking her will cost 50€ extra now.

Also during the blowjob (not a bad one) she will spit out every other minute and upsell more with offering CIM repeatedly.

So much for Rebecca and Brenda who I remember the darling that she once was and who used to lick my balls until I couldn't hold it any longer now announced to me at the start of the conversation all the things that she won't do. Regardless of the money offered, by the way.

So that is what happens at Sharks now if you seem a tourist or easy target.

Either I switch to other Hessen clubs from now on or will switch to NRW all together.

Takedown

02-05-18, 20:48

Question for the more experienced mongers: how do you negotiate with girls while still receive good service?

I am afraid if I bargain down she will not be happy and will not give good sex like kisses. I am beginner and she always upsell me to 100 euro. Maybe I am thinking too much with little head.First step: You got to be willing to let go. You have to negotiate from a position of power not fear of loss. That applies beyond FKK girls.

At the same time, if you've already set a precedent, I don't know if going backwards is even possible. I had a Sharks superstar pretty much cut me off as I've scaled back. It works out though. This trip, not going with her freed up hours, hundreds of euros, and pops / finishes for new talent.

Takedown

02-05-18, 20:53

This claimed story was not at Sharks, but at World on Saturday 27 June 2015. There is no security at Sharks, but there was Hell's security at World on this time. The claimer can't know what really happened because he was not at World on that night, when the girl, blond Rassa claiming to be Czech, spent most of her night with me.The security at Sharks is actually next to the entrance. Outside, there is a door to the right of the main door. They left the door open once and I saw a couple of rough looking guys watching about 10 video monitors. Big brother is watching, and theyre ready to F’ you up, lol

Takedown

02-05-18, 21:18

Exactly the info I was looking for. I love my whiskey. Was trying to figure out if a bottle or single drinks are the better way to go. And, I do admit, I like to drink with someone. Do most girls drink alcohol while working? Or only red bull? .Most girls will drink with you but it'll be hard to find a girl that will drink whiskey with you. It's even harder to find one that will keep pace. Be prepared to do most of the drinking or be ready for her to offer some to her friends so she doesn't have to drink so much herself. Wine, champagne, vodka, and perhaps tequila are generally the norm.

As far as bottle versus individual drinks, I have to again stress the crappy pours at Sharks. I think I originally stated that 1 shot was one oz at Sharks. Actually, it is 20 mLs which is only 0. 67 oz. In comparison, a standard US shot is 1. 5 oz. So yeah, individual drinks are steep. I go for doubles, 40 ML /1. 3 oz, which are 12 euro = $15 at current exchange rates. Those are NYC prices, but hey, you save some cash by not having to tip European bartenders.

Takedown

02-05-18, 21:26

I would love to know your Monday experience. I'll be there on a Monday and Tuesday in a few weeks.

What times were you there? Number of girls? Was it a buyers market LOL?Yes, buyers market for sure but the goods are sparse. I think Sharks tops off at around 60-70 girls on Mondays versus 125-150 on wed, Fri., and sat. You will miss many Fri. / Saturday night stunners; but if drinking with a girl is what you want, it's a great night to do it since they are not missing out on loads of customers.

Member #4585

02-05-18, 23:45

At the time I wrote it, there was maybe a 90% certainty. After last evening and the full experience taken into consideration it is a 99% certainty.

Sharks is in full Oase mode.

If I pay 100 for each session I am sure I will have a good time, though.

One girl yesterday said to me (and I didn't even bring prices and services up at all) 50 is basic without kissing and licking.

100 is still not very expensive so why do I complain. It's just sad to wave goodbye to the ease I once had in Sharks.Could your please explain more on the upsell?

Is it the Mersi hu style of 100 euro for half a hour for suck, fuck, kiss and lick everywhere (so 150 for one hour).

Or.

Is it the case of 100 euro for one hour for kiss and lick everywhere but the reality is one hour is 40-45 minutes?

Girls like 19 year old Helen insist on 1 hour for a minimum 100 euro for kissing to be included in the session for example.

KenzoTange

02-06-18, 00:16

The Kenzo Tange I met 30 years ago left negotiations to his son Paul.Very nicely spotted.

First step: You got to be willing to let go. You have to negotiate from a position of power not fear of loss. That applies beyond FKK girls.

At the same time, if you've already set a precedent, I don't know if going backwards is even possible. I had a Sharks superstar pretty much cut me off as I've scaled back. It works out though. This trip, not going with her freed up hours, hundreds of euros, and pops / finishes for new talent.With haggling in markets I have no problems because I know the next vendor will sell me the same thing.

Looking for FFK girls I think I get into critic mode and only want the creme de la creme. That makes walking away harder. But yes I should be willing.

But do you get the same service at 50 euro vs 100 euro? I get kisses and sometimes want fuck their tits.

Danke!

MonSooner

02-06-18, 01:35

I would love to know your Monday experience. I'll be there on a Monday and Tuesday in a few weeks.

What times were you there? Number of girls? Was it a buyers market LOL?I spent the whole day today from 3 pm until now.

I estimate between 50 and 60 girls. Not well attended. Many girls claimed to be bored but that's what they usually say on any given day.

There weren't many stunners. I would rate it a weak LU today. Sunday and Thursday were good but not great compared to today.

When I just left the lady at the reception asked me if everything was all right and I mechanically lied and said "yes, sure".

It wasn't as much a lie as it was a habit. Of course it was supposed to be all right or even great but it wasn't at all. By normal standards it was good but by Sharks standards and by taking my older experiences into consideration nothing was even close this time. Girls upsold every time. There was one single exception. Alexandra (it was the night before). All other girls I talked to wanted 100 for a normal room service. 50 now is just suck and sex, not even licking. If you ask me this is downright Amsterdam window style and bad form. Sharks was once amazing in that almost every session was good. Now it is not worth it to me anymore. Of course we are spoilt because of what we have in Vienna but Hessen used to be at least 1 level better. The variety of the clubs is still awesome but the overall experience is spiralling down. No doubt that this is a result of the no-condom-law. But in all seriousness, the condom is not the problem. It is the attitude and the price structure applied by the girls.

Please know that this is not a rant. I love Sharks and being here.

Also my last session with one Adina was a 9/10 session. The best on this trip. But why? Because she is a delight and nothing short of loveable. Of course she upsold too because that is what they do now. Little does she know that she lost money by asking 100 for half an hour. I would have stayed 2 or 3 hours with her for she was the best in Sharks by a landslide. At least for me.

Such a sweet girl and intelligent as much as polite in every regard.

I am positive that Sharks management will get this in order again sooner or later. From what I hear the law is actually being enforced.

Whatever that means and however it is done I can only speculate.

I am sure my experience sounds weird for the locals but I really couldn't believe the difference between my last stay here and now.

MonSooner

02-06-18, 01:41

Could your please explain more on the upsell?

Is it the Mersi hu style of 100 euro for half a hour for suck, fuck, kiss and lick everywhere (so 150 for one hour).
That is what it mostly was. To put it into perspective. We are talking about the upscale girls like.

Rebecca.

Brenda and the whole group at that end of the bar.

Estephania.

Mickey.

Lovely Adina who I have forgiven all her sins because of everything else she represents. Cuteness wins because I am a sucker for cuties like that.

Takedown

02-06-18, 02:46

But do you get the same service at 50 euro vs 100 euro? I get kisses and sometimes want fuck their tits.

Danke!To clarify, I meant cutting back time spent in the room. If a regular has been used to 1 hour+ rooms and I do a 30 minute room here and there, I generally get the same service. But perhaps you are talking about going back from 100 euro 30 minutes to 50 euro 30 minutes for the same service. I would guess that wouldn't work out well.

Gonzo88

02-06-18, 13:58

Was in Frankfurt in transit from Asia to North America. Got at room at the holiday inn express just south of FRA.

Hotel is only ok, but was not expensive. Taxi to Sharks was about 30-35 Euro.

Walked in around 10 pm, crowd was ok, not packed, but a decent selection. Did not see as many stunners as last summer.

Went for 2 sessions with Aphrodite (ROM) and one Dominika (Hun). Both were excellent, but were basic, 50 Euro half hour sessions. Neither tried to upsell or gave me an grief about 1 hour.

Aphrodite is slim, with a pretty face, medium length brown hair, pointy nose, and very small boobs. She is very relaxed and quite affectionate in the room. Dominica has a stunning face, long dark hair, tiny boobs and a also a great body. She was initially a little less friendly than Aphrodite, and a bit more business like, but was excellent. She is only 20 years old. Fantastic.

Overall the place really cleared out with a lot of girls leaving early, by 2:30 it was basically dead with only one or two lookers. Over the course of the evening I was also approached by quite a few large, unattractive chicks who seemed reluctant to take no for an answer. I also was hassled by an Egyptian girl who, when I declined her kind offer, said "What, you don't like Egyptian pussy! And went storming off in a huff. Oh well.

Pistons

02-06-18, 17:10

MonSooner

02-06-18, 19:23

And it looses them more rooms than they gain. I am doubting that this is positive for their wallets.No doubt. You are right for sure. But I do not expect Skarks management to sit idly by and put business in danger like that. Tides can turn very quickly for an FKK club with so much competition just waiting to take over the spot at the top.

I am confident in Sharks soon being back to normal. I regret now that I didn't complain at all. At Oase I once did for the same reason but at Sharks I am more kind for whatever reason.

Nick The G

02-06-18, 19:26

Aphrodite is slim, with a pretty face, medium length brown hair, pointy nose, and very small boobs. She is very relaxed and quite affectionate in the room.Aphrodite is one of the most friendly girls at Sharks.

I also was hassled by an Egyptian girl who, when I declined her kind offer, said "What, you don't like Egyptian pussy! And went storming off in a huff. Oh well.Even if you had a preference for "egyptian pussies", you would have been deceived. "Pushy" Angelina is from Romania! Did she attack you under your towel?

Sirioja

02-06-18, 20:17

The security at Sharks is actually next to the entrance. Outside, there is a door to the right of the main door. They left the door open once and I saw a couple of rough looking guys watching about 10 video monitors. Big brother is watching, and theyre ready to F you up, lolWhen there are fights at Sharks, they need to call Polizei. No fight Samya, or PHG, or VIP GT.

Claimed story below, was at World, and I'm pretty sure I was the only member on that Saturday 27 June or 4 July 2015 night to see what happened: Just a drunk German who wanted and insisted with a girl, and she was right to refuse to go with a drunk guy. He just insisted a bit too much, so I went to her who was my weekly regular on June / July 2015 and he gave up with his beer glass.

ExpatLover

02-06-18, 20:57

Aphrodite is one of the most friendly girls at Sharks.

Even if you had a preference for "egyptian pussies", you would have been deceived. "Pushy" Angelina is from Romania! Did she attack you under your towel?For sure and worked at World before, recommend you forget her if you don't want to ruin your day. More than 95% of the girls are from Roumania even they are saying Moldavia, Italy, Spain, it is the beginning of the cheating followed with no more 50 euro for 30 minutes, I don t care all those girls will come down to earth for sure and they are just prostitutes most of the time unable to do something else than to be f. The 10 to 20 times a day.

Citizen Kane

02-06-18, 21:19

I also was hassled by an Egyptian girl who, when I declined her kind offer, said "What, you don't like Egyptian pussy! And went storming off in a huff. Oh well.She's been doing the same act at various Hessen clubs for about a decade or so.

ExpatLover

02-06-18, 21:21

She's been doing the same act at various Hessen clubs for about a decade or so.We all know her, just a real nightmare.

Horny Harry

02-06-18, 22:11

She's been doing the same act at various Hessen clubs for about a decade or so.Hahaha, oh yes, the 'Egyptian' Angelique or Angelina or something like that. Horrible skin, pale complexion and very aggressive and persistent in her harassment of customers.

McAdonis

02-06-18, 23:00

First step: You got to be willing to let go. You have to negotiate from a position of power not fear of loss. That applies beyond FKK girls.
Agree. One has to be willing to walking away. On non-peak nights, it may even be possible for the customer to put the WG in a position where she is the one who fears loss. If it is near the end of her shift, and she hasn't made her monetary target, and there are very few customers in sight, she may soften her demands. However, the customer has zero leverage at 8 pm on a Saturday night when a top star has just started her shift and she sees 50 pandas standing around you that she can hunt.

I had a Sharks superstar pretty much cut me off as I've scaled back. It works out though. This trip, not going with her freed up hours, hundreds of euros, and pops / finishes for new talent.If she is really that busy with much better paying customers, then good for her. Ideally, you've had her enough times that she is stale and the encounters have become boring. But there is always the possibility that she is deliberately ignoring you so you will react. She may be the one wanting to create a fear in loss in you, so you will scale back up.

Member #4585

02-06-18, 23:19

That is what it mostly was. To put it into perspective. We are talking about the upscale girls like.

Rebecca.

Brenda and the whole group at that end of the bar.

Estephania.

Mickey.

Lovely Adina who I have forgiven all her sins because of everything else she represents. Cuteness wins because I am a sucker for cuties like that.MonSooner,

Thank you for the feed back and notes of your experiences.

I balked at Mersi's stance that for kissing and lick everywhere in a session was going to cost 50 euro over the cost of a standard session. A 50 euro deal is plain suck and fuck. It may be also the case that it is a suck and fuck and the girl does not go back to sucking again if you lose your hard on during the fuck sequence. I have heard of that happening at Oase since a few years back by German girls.

I guess your list of girls are the prima donnas that want the 150 euro per hour or 100 euro per half hour pay down.

All I can say is disregard them and take them off your payroll.

Pistons

02-06-18, 23:42

What worries me about 'egyptian' Angelina is that I have a feeling she tells lies about her former ball squeezing- and hitting victims (me being one) to her group of friends. I have never been physically hurt as much by any girl in my entire life as when I walked past her a few times at palace some years ago. All of of her new friends whom now have the same angry grin on their faces when I walk past them without me having ever done anything to them.

I feel a bit sad for her though as I don't think she is cut out for this job since she doesn't seem to handle being rejected. And when she does, she puts you on her hate list after assaulting your balls.

Member #4585

02-07-18, 01:44

When I just left the lady at the reception asked me if everything was all right and I mechanically lied and said "yes, sure".

It wasn't as much a lie as it was a habit. Of course it was supposed to be all right or even great but it wasn't at all. By normal standards it was good but by Sharks standards and by taking my older experiences into consideration nothing was even close this time. Girls upsold every time. There was one single exception. Alexandra (it was the night before). All other girls I talked to wanted 100 for a normal room service. 50 now is just suck and sex, not even licking. If you ask me this is downright Amsterdam window style and bad form. Sharks was once amazing in that almost every session was good. Now it is not worth it to me anymore. Of course we are spoilt because of what we have in Vienna but Hessen used to be at least 1 level better. The variety of the clubs is still awesome but the overall experience is spiralling down. No doubt that this is a result of the no-condom-law. But in all seriousness, the condom is not the problem. It is the attitude and the price structure applied by the girls.

Please know that this is not a rant. I love Sharks and being here.

I am positive that Sharks management will get this in order again sooner or later. From what I hear the law is actually being enforced.

Whatever that means and however it is done I can only speculate.

I am sure my experience sounds weird for the locals but I really couldn't believe the difference between my last stay here and now.I hear you MonSooner. It is a sad state of affairs. My friends and I have been discussing the decline.

Even some of the German tourists who go to visit Hessen say that things are not the same and even talk about Austria or Switzerland since it is just across the border. Girls want extra 50 for kiss and lick the pussy.

It used to be just one or two girls but now it is a lot more. It is really the end. Dark doom honey. You have to keep to regulars but when they leave then the number dwindles.

The payroll becomes smaller. To expand the payroll may mean heading to pastures new or really invest in some girls and negotiate the deal to make it work.

Member #4585

02-07-18, 01:45

If she is really that busy with much better paying customers, then good for her. Ideally, you've had her enough times that she is stale and the encounters have become boring. But there is always the possibility that she is deliberately ignoring you so you will react. She may be the one wanting to create a fear in loss in you, so you will scale back up.McAdonis,

Good advice.

Member #4585

02-07-18, 01:51

Went for 2 sessions with Aphrodite (ROM) and one Dominika (Hun). Both were excellent, but were basic, 50 Euro half hour sessions. Neither tried to upsell or gave me an grief about 1 hour.

Aphrodite is slim, with a pretty face, medium length brown hair, pointy nose, and very small boobs. She is very relaxed and quite affectionate in the room. Dominica has a stunning face, long dark hair, tiny boobs and a also a great body. She was initially a little less friendly than Aphrodite, and a bit more business like, but was excellent. She is only 20 years old. Fantastic.Dominika or Dominica is like an ironing board in body type. She sit by the bar at the right hand side as you come into the entrance. She is indeed business like as you describe. She is professional and has been around the circuit so to speak. Have a chat with her and be pleasantly surprised.

Aphrodite is indeed a friendly type. She kiss you and lick your balls.

Kosher Kowboy

02-07-18, 02:40

Dominika or Dominica is like an ironing board in body type. She sit by the bar at the right hand side as you come into the entrance. She is indeed business like as you describe. She is professional and has been around the circuit so to speak. Have a chat with her and be pleasantly surprised.

Aphrodite is indeed a friendly type. She kiss you and lick your balls.Domenica is always easy to find and often also has on leggings or wraps up her tall legs that match her shoes. Sits back in her bar stool and crosses her legs and smokes. Very nice gal. Done her several times and is a very pretty girl but a little flat chested as you note. If you have a chat with her take a peak at her pussy lips. One of the nicest you will see, thick and protruding. Beautiful.

Without a doubt on the business side a tad if you like to go for a good wham, bam thank you mam for 50 e and no complaining or upsells she is a good choice, for the GFE thing better options.

I missed Aphrodite the last visit. Agree, extremely nice.

Member #4585

02-07-18, 02:42

I agree with others and yourself that Nick the G has made an excellent list of the pole dancers. I cannot believe the amount of times either at reception or at the bar where guys have asked for Helen, Evita or Mandy. I just thought to myself when I hear this, " There are dozens and dozens of hot girls in this club, do these guys actually fly from the four corners of the earth to seek out only three Sharks ladies? ".

Of the pole dancers I saw only Esther, Evita and Mila do it for me. To each their own, who am I to criticize another man's choice when I myself fuck the ugliest women in Germany up the road. The pole dancers for the most part through my eyes and solely my opinion are nothing short of brand names that live off non-stop internet coverage.

Esther is fucking hot and happily accepted my cheap Charlie 50 Euros.

As to Evita, I make no comment since it is well known she does not like to be discussed on the ISG resulting in numerous guys who have gone with her to the room having been blackballed by her for their kiss and tell stories of their times with Evita. That being said, "No comment".

Mila is very friendly, full of life and loves to kiss even though I am not usually the kissing type.
Hey Kosher Kowboy.

Nice one bagging so many of the hard to get brand name pole dancers of Sharks.

Esther is hot. She is tall, blonde, elegant looking and has an ass that does not quit. She does gang bang with Ottoman Turk men. Like porno. Kinky. Taking it from both ends. Betty does as well she say. Now she has some Kosher meat too.

Evita must have been a hot bang too. Indeed no comments needed.

Mila is like she is on something. She is so full of life and energy. She makes me laugh. She is slim and cute. She is a lot of fun in and outside of the room. She is beloved of some Germans I know so she is off the menu (for now).

Supposedly Lily and Helen have broken their partnership. You will see less of Helen and Lily hunting Asians and Turkish men together around the club. Lily has taken up with another girl. Helen is still making a killing from bagging pandas for the pot. Actually Helen has a fetish thing for male Pandas when she shows you her social media.

Member #4585

02-07-18, 02:46

Domenica is always easy to find and often also has on leggings or wraps up her tall legs that match her shoes. Sits back in her bar stool and crosses her legs and smokes. Very nice gal. Done her several times and is a very pretty girl but a little flat chested as you note. If you have a chat with her take a peak at her pussy lips. One of the nicest you will see, thick and protruding. Beautiful.

Without a doubt on the business side a tad if you like to go for a good wham, bam thank you mam for 50 e and no complaining or upsells she is a good choice, for the GFE thing better options.We need to add Domenica to the thread on large labia ladies that has its own fetish theme in the miscellaneous threads on FKKs in Germany.

Kosher Kowboy

02-07-18, 03:06

Hey Kosher Kowboy.

Nice one bagging so many of the hard to get brand name pole dancers of Sharks.

Esther is hot. She is tall, blonde, elegant looking and has an ass that does not quit. Betty does as well she say.

Mila is like she is on something. She is so full of life and energy.
Mila was quite on the hyper side, was very chatty but was quiet when she needed to be. Esther is one of the reasons I pay trans-Atlantic rates for my pussy, she is the ' anti-TX' hooker, she is everything and than some of what we can not get back home.

I actually did get a chance to meet Betty as I was talking to a friend of hers after I had just finished a room. She was a cute girl (sort of had a two toned hair at the time part blond part dark) but I saw her turning guys down, she must have turned down three guys who tried to talk to her but I do remember her being very nice to some guy giving out hard candies but she seemed disinterested in the guys with money. It reminded me of a day at Dietz when guys with hard dicks and cash were standing around helplessly as the girls were more interested in chain smoking and talking to themselves than getting money. I guess Betty must have had a great day to be turning guys away.

Member #4585

02-07-18, 03:33

Mila was quite on the hyper side, was very chatty but was quiet when she needed to be. Esther is one of the reasons I pay trans-Atlantic rates for my pussy, she is the ' anti-TX' hooker, she is everything and than some of what we can not get back home.

I actually did get a chance to meet Betty as I was talking to a friend of hers after I had just finished a room. She was a cute girl (sort of had a two toned hair at the time part blond part dark) but I saw her turning guys down, she must have turned down three guys who tried to talk to her but I do remember her being very nice to some guy giving out hard candies but she seemed disinterested in the guys with money. It reminded me of a day at Dietz when guys with hard dicks and cash were standing around helplessly as the girls were more interested in chain smoking and talking to themselves than getting money. I guess Betty must have had a great day to be turning guys away.Esther is indeed a model looking girl as does Evelina. Both good bangs and they DFK and suck the cock good.

Esther must be on some short list of Sharks girls that will fuck them in groups of two or more.

Mila is definitely on something. Whatever it is I want some too. To liven my old bones.

As for Betty it is interesting to see her refusing guys like Pole Dancers do to Ottoman men. Were they Asian or Ottoman men?

Kosher Kowboy

02-07-18, 03:41

Were they Asian or Ottoman men?Neither, Caucasians, assuming all were locals heard German spoken. I think it was a Sunday and there were hardly any Asians or Turkish looking men that day. I think it was an all German and one American day.

Member #4585

02-07-18, 04:03

Neither, Caucasians, assuming all were locals heard German spoken. I think it was a Sunday and there were hardly any Asians or Turkish looking men that day. I think it was an all German and one American day.Yeah, it is quite common that on the discount days that there is a control on who gets to book the brand name girls. Too much wear and tear on the pussy doing 50 buck rooms with these guys when you can get a someone else doing it for 100 bucks or more. Girls can see the cheapness. See Taoway's report on Betty and how Betty did the rub her fingers together indicating folding money as a sign of cheapness to him (and to the Germans and American guy she refused.).

ExpatLover

02-07-18, 04:48

Mila was quite on the hyper side, was very chatty but was quiet when she needed to be. Esther is one of the reasons I pay trans-Atlantic rates for my pussy, she is the ' anti-TX' hooker, she is everything and than some of what we can not get back home.

I actually did get a chance to meet Betty as I was talking to a friend of hers after I had just finished a room. She was a cute girl (sort of had a two toned hair at the time part blond part dark) but I saw her turning guys down, she must have turned down three guys who tried to talk to her but I do remember her being very nice to some guy giving out hard candies but she seemed disinterested in the guys with money. It reminded me of a day at Dietz when guys with hard dicks and cash were standing around helplessly as the girls were more interested in chain smoking and talking to themselves than getting money. I guess Betty must have had a great day to be turning guys away.The girls have the choice to refuse the man as we refuse some girls, usually it is for guys demanding too much for 50 euros or guys asking special things in the room she doesn't do.

Or simple guys stressing them with price negotiations. Personality in 13 years only one girl refused me, it was in Oase but after her friends told me she has mental problems I think so because after she came 10 times to me just because she doesn't remember it.

Turgid

02-07-18, 14:15

ExpatLover

02-07-18, 21:07

Have still 5 entries remaining on my VIP card so gave a new try to Shark, many girls present but always the same one, so many guys from outside Germany, few Asian guys. Tried 2 new girls, no BBBJ very poor CBJ, no kissing nothing interesting yes it was 50 euro sessions but it is better to go in the RLD in Frankfurt. Most of the girls not happy due to slow business in the recent days, guys full of negative testosterone, mostly incapable to control their basic instinct, in the locker heard 4 Turkish guys speaking so badly about the Roumania girls that they fucked in their ass that I just wanted to vomit. After my card is completed I will never come back to this place, no erotic, no door policy nothing that will be able to create a nice atmosphere in which girls and mongers will be happy.

McAdonis

02-07-18, 23:15

McAdonis,

Good advice.My advice is not only directed at the mongers trying a WG for the first time, but also the big spenders who repeat their favorites. Yes, these princesses may have a few FB photos of them on a yacht, but I doubt these WGs can pull this type of customer on a regular basis. If you get past all the exaggeration, embellishment, and lies, you may find out that you are one of her best-paying customers which means you have leverage to negotiate.

Remember, these WGs are in sales where it is common to adopt a "fake it until they make it" mentality:

https://youtu.be/7G5EXhc6XZs

Flaunting her rich clients does a few things (1) encourages you to increase / maintain spending to compete for her interest, (2) makes you feel special because those rich guys are just suckers whereas she likes you so you get that special price. As this article discusses, "anchoring effect" is a classic retail con. Customers are offered "discounts" when in fact they are still overspending without knowing it.

https://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/07/27/anchoring-effect/

McAdonis

02-07-18, 23:22

Angelina "Egyptian" will only hit you in the balls, if you waste her time. Seen this one American guy who was too polite with her. He put his arm around her waist. Answered her questions. Then said "No" when the room question came up 2-3 minutes later. She crushed the balls of a second American on the same day.

ExpatLover

02-07-18, 23:36

My advice is not only directed at the mongers trying a WG for the first time, but also the big spenders who repeat their favorites. Yes, these princesses may have a few FB photos of them on a yacht, but I doubt these WGs can pull this type of customer on a regular basis. If you get past all the exaggeration, embellishment, and lies, you may find out that you are one of her best-paying customers which means you have leverage to negotiate.

Remember, these WGs are in sales where it is common to adopt a "fake it until they make it" mentality:In a FKK everything is fake and cheating, never believe one word coming out of the mouth of a prostitute or it will be the start of big problems for you, also there is no star or princesses they are just prostitutes trying to pump as much money as possible by giving as less as possible, if they are different they will never accept to be fucked many times every day by guys they will even no consider 1 second in the normal life. I never negotiate with a girl if she doesn't want I just move to another one and if nothing is possible that day it is not a problem to leave without any session if you all do like me I am convinced that we the mongers will regain some power.

KenzoTange

02-08-18, 00:08

To clarify, I meant cutting back time spent in the room. If a regular has been used to 1 hour+ rooms and I do a 30 minute room here and there, I generally get the same service. But perhaps you are talking about going back from 100 euro 30 minutes to 50 euro 30 minutes for the same service. I would guess that wouldn't work out well.Ah I see. Thank you.

We are talking about the upscale girls like.

Rebecca.

Brenda and the whole group at that end of the bar. . . . Lovely Adina who I have forgiven all her sins because of everything else she represents. Cuteness wins because I am a sucker for cuties like that.Which end of the bar is this? As you enter is it the right side near the back? Does Adina have nice breasts?

Jmioffe

02-08-18, 02:02

RichCandyMan

02-08-18, 03:09

Not my taste physically.Once upon a time I used to wait in line for Lexi. Friend from America told me the same, well now you can't hump, afraid of breaking a bone or two.

Hair, weight, boney look and attitude that goes with it. What a sad story.

MyTwoInches

02-08-18, 03:47

Geez, you guys complain about ball crushing Egyptian Angelina and then are afraid to even mention the word Evita. Seriously, it seems like Evita already crushed your balls, removed them and sold them to the nearest medical lab. Agree that Angelina is now past her expiry date, but she did give OK service a while ago, no complaints there.

Anyone recently seen Italian claiming Rom Patricia, the slim one. Awesome.

Love the slim Rom Michaela. Martina too.

Any clue about this girl Sheela Rom? Sessioned just once a few months ago, decent service, pretty gal.

DesRev

02-08-18, 05:18

I estimate between 50 and 60 girls. Not well attended. Many girls claimed to be bored but that's what they usually say on any given day. There weren't many stunners. I would rate it a weak LU today. I arrived a few hours after you and there were between 35 and 45 ladies walking around. More guys than gals. The line up was bleak. Why? Because it was a Monday and / or because some good ladies have left the business due to registration rules.

When I just left the lady at the reception asked me if everything was all right and I mechanically lied and said "yes, sure".

It wasn't as much a lie as it was a habit. Of course it was supposed to be all right or even great but it wasn't at all. By normal standards it was good but by Sharks standards and by taking my older experiences into consideration nothing was even close this time. Girls upsold every time. There was one single exception. Alexandra (it was the night before). All other girls I talked to wanted 100 for a normal room service. 50 now is just suck and sex, not even licking. If you ask me this is downright Amsterdam window style and bad form. Sharks was once amazing in that almost every session was good. Now it is not worth it to me anymore. Of course we are spoilt because of what we have in Vienna but Hessen used to be at least 1 level better. The variety of the clubs is still awesome but the overall experience is spiralling down. No doubt that this is a result of the no-condom-law. But in all seriousness, the condom is not the problem. It is the attitude and the price structure applied by the girls.I second this experience. When the receptionist asked me if everything was okay, I hesitated and wanted to complain, but I did the same as you. I thought, it's not her fault and the club facilities were good and that she isn't responsible for the behavior of the ladies there so no point of complaining to her. But this kind of upselling, stuck up, dishonest, and unenthusiastic behavior has become more prevalent in the last few months at Sharks. There are still some good women with honest, no upselling behavior, but they are becoming very difficult to find (e. G. Where is Sandra? The vast majority of the current line up could take a few lessons from her). I genuinely considered leaving without having any sessions; it was that bad. Oase was like this a few years ago, and I never went back. Now I'm beginning to think the same about Sharks.

I am positive that Sharks management will get this in order again sooner or later. From what I hear the law is actually being enforced.

Whatever that means and however it is done I can only speculate.

I am sure my experience sounds weird for the locals but I really couldn't believe the difference between my last stay here and now.The problem is, there is a disagreement on what should be provided in a standard session, and the many of the girls there now do not like to do standard sessions. They upsell CIM, anal, and duos; But they retch over a trash bin as soon as you nut in their mouth, do their best to stop anal from actually happening once they've sold it, and try to do the minimum possible in a duo while further upselling lesbian action. These upsells are, of course, only for the money, not because they have any interest in those activities. Even kissing has become an upsell. Offerings and prices are deviating from the standards and this is a worrying trend for all who do not enjoy negotiating outside the room. 100 euro / one hour rooms are not enough to satisfy the greed of some girls. Is there another option? Men will stop going to Sharks if it becomes simpler and more satisfying to have a wank at home or go to another FKK / brothel / escort agency. The upsellers are unable to see or are inconsiderate of the fact that they are polluting the environment by going for short term small profit with sharkish behavior.

I do not know if the Sharks' management will be able to fix this issue. I hope they can, and that's why I wrote this report. There must first be an awareness of the problem, before there can be positive change.

DesRev

02-08-18, 05:22

ExpatLover

02-08-18, 06:06

Wow, vicious! That seems fair, but I've never had a good impression of her. Too much nagging, not my taste physically.Veteran prostitutes, too many years in the business, before at World just make a big turn around her if you want to have fun.

ExpatLover

02-08-18, 06:09

Ah I see. Thank you.

Which end of the bar is this? As you enter is it the right side near the back? Does Adina have nice breasts?Brenda is also one of those girls who is a big upseller, she is also a bit stupid and believes that she is nice with her saggy boobs, under daylight she is just so so, I don't care about her just a prostitute like many others with poor and low education, not willing to work in a normal job but who prefers to suck and open her legs to all kind of guys.

Takedown

02-08-18, 18:19

There are still some good women with honest, no upselling behavior, but they are becoming very difficult to find (e. G. Where is Sandra? The vast majority of the current line up could take a few lessons from her). I genuinely considered leaving without having any sessions; it was that bad. Oase was like this a few years ago, and I never went back. Now I'm beginning to think the same about Sharks.

I miss Sandra also, she is still today my favorite German.

I was speaking with a monger who was telling me the story of how Sharks rose up due to poor management at Oase. Back in 2014 Oase was king and Sharks was a relatively empty club. Then the management at Oase changed, increasing the entry, changing the food, and implemented the bracelets. A band of German regulars got together and moved their business to Sharks and now you see where we are today. Oase gets half of the traffic as Sharks. Oase is full of tourists in the day and Turkish Germans at night with no more than 10% older german regulars. Sharks still has it's contingent of Germans but how much longer will they put up with this before they migrate elsewhere? Maybe even back to Oase.

Meanwhile, Oase has already lowered their entry to 50 euro before 4 pm and improved their food. The venue itself is hands down better than Sharks, with a relax room, wifi, the ability to use my phone, separated smoking area, and a superior pool scene in the summer. For late nights it's also better. Since girls at Sharks work as they please, they start leaving between 1 am and 3 am even on Friday and Saturday. On the other hand, girls who work the night shift at Oase must stay until the club closes. As such, At 3:30 am on Tuesday, all of the top girls were still present. Try hanging out at Sharks at 3 am on a Tuesday, It's a castastrophe😳

I've been a Sharks over Oase guy for 2 years but the ball is now in Sharks' court. Can they sustain the club on tourist traffic if the Germans stop coming? Are they going to let a new group of 19-20 year old Romanian girls have this much impact on their business?

It would help if these Americans and Asians would stop feeding the bears.

Massimo Potente

02-08-18, 18:25

pole dancers of Sharks.
I am lost with that expression. Why exactly are they referred to as Pole dancers?

Massimo Potente

02-08-18, 18:28

I've been a Sharks over Oase guy for 2 years but the ball is now in Sharks' court. Can they sustain the club on tourist traffic if the Germans stop coming? Are they going to let a new group of 19-20 year old Romanian girls have this much impact on their business?

It would help if these Americans and Asians would stop feeding the bears.I have the utmost respect for Sharks and their owners. They will manage to turn it around for very sure. I can't believe that Oase should be better than Sharks in the winter time but I guess all those reports and opinions don't lie.

Takedown

02-08-18, 18:51

I have the utmost respect for Sharks and their owners. They will manage to turn it around for very sure. I can't believe that Oase should be better than Sharks in the winter time but I guess all those reports and opinions don't lie.Sharks' set up has the advantage of wow factor because you can see all of the talent at once. It also has the quantity over Oase. Once you get past that, the ratio of hottest women to men is the same. I can actually relax at Oase without having to hear the same 25 tracks of songs. I can even communicate with the outside world without having hold the phone next to my crotch under a towel, LOL. Now with the Sharks upsell, what advantage does it have any more?

I am lost with that expression. Why exactly are they referred to as Pole dancers?Th girls who sit by the pole, none are really pole dancers.

Turgid

02-08-18, 19:37

ExpatLover

02-08-18, 19:42

The rise in the preference of Oase against Sharks was bound to happen. Firstly, I noticed a significant improvement in the talent in Oase last summer compared to 2016. Secondly, there had been an increase in upselling in Sharks although it had not reached the level of Oase. Thirdly, there are groups of 'prima donnas' in Sharks who I notice refuse many guys outright, that does not occur at Oase. How will it pan out, time will tell.I can't agree with you, you can't deny the right to the girls to refuse some man, we also have the right to refuse the girls, it is our responsibility to make us attractive, clean. So the girls will not refuse us, in 13 years of FKK only 1 girl refused me and I refused 100 and 100 of girls.

Nick The G

02-08-18, 19:52

100 euro / one hour rooms are not enough to satisfy the greed of some girls. Is there another option? Men will stop going to Sharks if it becomes simpler and more satisfying to have a wank at home or go to another FKK / brothel / escort agency. The upsellers are unable to see or are inconsiderate of the fact that they are polluting the environment by going for short term small profit with sharkish behavior.Anyone who has a polluted interior (emotionally and / or mentally) is going to pollute the environment, regardless of gender. Those men who are coming to german FKK clubs, sometimes travelling distances of several thousand miles, thinking they get cheap sex IMHO are severly mentally polluted.

These upsells are, of course, only for the money, not because they have any interest in those activities. Even kissing has become an upsell. The main interest for woman to work there is to earn a lot of money, as quick as possible. "Fake it until you make it", we again just learned from McAdonis' link.

I said it several times and I will repeat it here again for you: the main purpose of prostitution (in all its manifold variations) is to facilitate the transfer of money from men to women. And seemingly independant of the respective enviroment, sex is by all means the best carrot so-called greedy women can place in front of us needy male rabbits! Smiley.

BigBuddy69

02-08-18, 20:00

I do not know if the Sharks' management will be able to fix this issue.If no one complains when they ask about the satisfaction, it's going to be difficult.

Let's be clear, we don't go to clubs to eat, to have some sauna or to play ball in the swimming pool, the main reason is SEX. So the club is responsible for managing the girls. But most of guys at Sharks seem really happy with the situation, they never complain, they happily accept every upsell and they come back!

ExpatLover

02-08-18, 20:05

Massimo Potente

02-08-18, 20:06

Takedown

02-08-18, 20:07

ExpatLover

02-08-18, 20:15

ExpatLover

02-08-18, 20:25

Your contempt and judgement towards fellow mongers on a mongering board is insulting and seems out of place on a forum named *International* Sex Guide.

Id say the tens of kilometers you traveled to Sharks last week makes you no less mentally polluted than those who travel thousands. Your ongoing contempt for other mongers however does seem to come from a dark, resentful place, with some elements of xenophobia.

How's the weather up there on that very tall horse that you're on?🙄I understand the comment, it is true that many mongers coming from far are destroying the balance in Shark, Oase, palace, Manhattan, locals like me have no choice that to try to find alternative solutions, when a girl earned hundred and hundreds with a Asian guy, extremely shy asking for nothing, after him it is difficult for us to get a good service. In so many years of FKK visits never any Asian guy asked me a question about how it works, what are the price. When I am mongering outside Germany I always try to get good info from locals. Just look how pathetic to see all the girls in Oase or Shark hunting aggressively about the Asian guys.

KenzoTange

02-08-18, 20:32

"Money is the world's greatest aphrodisiac. ".

Let us be honest: outside of FKK clubs no women would ever come up to me and propose sex. Maybe everyone else here is Ryan Gosling but I know my place. I am a walking bank to these "sharks."

McGrath

02-08-18, 22:18

I have the utmost respect for Sharks and their owners. They will manage to turn it around for very sure. I can't believe that Oase should be better than Sharks in the winter time but I guess all those reports and opinions don't lie.Scrolled through the last few pages and there is a lot of positive reviews of Sharks also so it's just the taste of the month for some posters to have this view now. Seen this discussion about Sharks and Oase many times and it varies of who is better. Personally I am not ready to go back to Oase over Sharks. It was so bad and filled with aggressive and pushy girls at Oase so I don't really believe that atmosphere is gone. Never had that attitude at Sharks (except for Angelina).

Nick The G

02-08-18, 22:19

Id say the tens of kilometers you traveled to Sharks last week makes you no less mentally polluted than those who travel thousands.Please don't confuse: I was stating that is is the expectation of having *cheap sex* that is polluting the mind.

Your ongoing contempt for other mongers however does seem to come from a dark, resentful place, with some elements of xenophobia.Nice attempt, but completely wrong with regards to me. Whenever I meet people from abroad in the club personally and they ask me for advice, I will give them hints, depending on their preferences.

You are right: Sharks and other FKK-clubs are dark, resentful places! Cauldrons filled with people full of unprocessed emotional projections on other people!

Optimist

02-08-18, 22:25

You are right: Sharks and other FKK-clubs are dark, resentful places! Cauldrons filled with people full of unprocessed emotional projections on other people!Quite right. We live in a world we create with our own thoughts. What you say also applies to what we write in forums.

Cheers.

Member #4585

02-08-18, 22:39

Which end of the bar is this? As you enter is it the right side near the back? Does Adina have nice breasts?Rebecca the blonde with the perfect shape breasts with pink nipples, pink pussy and pink asshole is at the far end top of the bar as you come in the door from the lobby.

Brenda the brunette with the large boobs on a slender body, is at the bottom end of the bar, closest to the door to the lobby as you come in.

Adina is I remember right sits at the couches at the bottom of the stairs that lead up to the Mezzanine floor.

Takedown

02-08-18, 22:45

Scrolled through the last few pages and there is a lot of positive reviews of Sharks also so it's just the taste of the month for some posters to have this view now. Seen this discussion about Sharks and Oase many times and it varies of who is better. Personally I am not ready to go back to Oase over Sharks. It was so bad and filled with aggressive and pushy girls at Oase so I don't really believe that atmosphere is gone. Never had that attitude at Sharks (except for Angelina).I'd like to agree with you that Sharks hasn't changed in regards to attitudes of the girls. But the recent reviews focus on the prevalence of upsells. That is my problem. On a trip where even my regulars are refusing my 100 euro note for 1 hour, that is my biggest complaint. That is a major reason why Sharks held the advantage over Oase for me. Without that, all other facrtors (food, amenities, entry) makes Oase more attractive, especially since Id have to spend a minimum of 100 euro per room at either place.

As for pushiness, Oase girls are still approach happy. Its a smaller place divided into even smaller areas and corridors so girls notice you more when you enter a space. As soon as you walk into the smoking area, girls will still flock to you. When you walk through the small hallways, girls will proposition you. The good part is that when I went, it was not so busy so I got plenty of couch time before the room like Bitumen mentioned. Something like half an hour of couch time of dancing and flirting for a couple of girls I went with.

Member #4585

02-08-18, 23:06

she isn't responsible for the behavior of the ladies there so no point of complaining to her. But this kind of upselling, stuck up, dishonest, and unenthusiastic behavior has become more prevalent in the last few months at Sharks. There are still some good women with honest, no upselling behavior, but they are becoming very difficult to find (e. G. Where is Sandra? The vast majority of the current line up could take a few lessons from her). I genuinely considered leaving without having any sessions; it was that bad. Oase was like this a few years ago, and I never went back. Now I'm beginning to think the same about Sharks.

The problem is, there is a disagreement on what should be provided in a standard session, and the many of the girls there now do not like to do standard sessions. They upsell CIM, anal, and duos; But they retch over a trash bin as soon as you nut in their mouth, do their best to stop anal from actually happening once they've sold it, and try to do the minimum possible in a duo while further upselling lesbian action. These upsells are, of course, only for the money, not because they have any interest in those activities. Even kissing has become an upsell. Offerings and prices are deviating from the standards and this is a worrying trend for all who do not enjoy negotiating outside the room. 100 euro / one hour rooms are not enough to satisfy the greed of some girls. Is there another option? Men will stop going to Sharks if it becomes simpler and more satisfying to have a wank at home or go to another FKK / brothel / escort agency. The upsellers are unable to see or are inconsiderate of the fact that they are polluting the environment by going for short term small profit with sharkish behavior.

I do not know if the Sharks' management will be able to fix this issue. I hope they can, and that's why I wrote this report. There must first be an awareness of the problem, before there can be positive change.DesRev

Thank you for your thought leadership on this theme that this is just not right, in fact, its is all going wrong.

The theme is Sharks is Sharks is becoming like Palace and Mainhattan. The word has gone out viral like, such that, there are Americans on local state American forums also saying that the shrine that is Sharks is become no more. What is that all about?

The feed back that is being given is coming from the guys looking for the Sharks brand name girls like Sandra, Mandy or Helen, then there is the pole dancer group of girls with their doyenne Evita, then there is the outsider groups like Michaela who is up and coming then the lost Dina and Nicoletta.

The 50 buck deal is still there at Sharks, there are girls that happily take my money for Suck, lick, and fuck. There is the up sell talk but this can be avoided. The service is still there. Guys, you are basing the up sell on a small percentage of the total girls in the club, not the aggregate sum (of all fears).

The girl may not be the brand names of Sharks.

McGrath

02-08-18, 23:10

But the recent reviews focus on the prevalence of upsells. That is my problem. On a trip where even my regulars are refusing my 100 euro note for 1 hour, that is my biggest complaint. That is a major reason why Sharks held the advantage over Oase for me. Without that, all other facrtors (food, amenities, entry) makes Oase more attractive, especially since Id have to spend a minimum of 100 euro per room at either place.I think you have a problem with your regulars if that is the case. I was at Sharks not so long ago and I definitely don't recognise this kind of behaviour with my regulars.

And then this case of more upsell. Maybe we see it differently but for me I do understand that the girls work in sales and try to sell as much as they can.

Do you want CIM? Upsell? Not really, ask me once and if I say no don't ask again. Fine by me. Ask me 3 times and I won't repeat with you. Same with other extras like if I want to extend to 1 hour which is very popular question at Sharks. Totally OK to ask.

It gets reallly annoying if the questions starts to be about other extras, like anal, if I want that I will ask you before the room. Oase was terrible with this for a while.

Takedown

02-08-18, 23:13

DesRev

The 50 buck deal is still there at Sharks, there are girls that happily take my money for Suck, lick, and fuck. There is the up sell talk but this can be avoided. The service is still there. Guys, you are basing the up sell on a small percentage of the total girls in the club, not the aggregate sum (of all fears).

The girl may not be the brand names of Sharks.I think the question is can you still get 50 euro with kiss, BBBJ, suck, and fuck and with a looker regardless of brand name. This statement is a hyperbole but I have no doubt that said service can be had with those large 40 year olds who work on Dessous day using clothes to cover up those bellies.

Takedown

02-08-18, 23:18

I think you have a problem with your regulars if that is the case. I was at Sharks not so long ago and I definitely don't recognise this kind of behaviour with my regulars.

And then this case of more upsell. Maybe we see it differently but for me I do understand that the girls work in sales and try to sell as much as they can.

Do you want CIM? Upsell? Not really, ask me once and if I say no don't ask again. Fine by me. Ask me 3 times and I won't repeat with you. Same with other extras like if I want to extend to 1 hour which is very popular question at Sharks. Totally OK to ask.

It gets reallly annoying if the questions starts to be about other extras, like anal, if I want that I will ask you before the room. Oase was terrible with this for a while.You're probably right with my specific case with a particular regular. At the same time my other regulars are super popular, especially with Asian clients and were busy the whole day so it is possible that my 100 euro note just took a lower priority than a whale's committed 5 hour room and other clients who commit to 150euro hours or 100euro half hours who are also somewhat regulars.

At the same time, yes they can ask. But the asking has been more frequent and has been tied to quality of service offerred, kissing and BBBJ. While before 1 hour /100 euro was almost always a good room.

Member #4585

02-08-18, 23:24

Takedown,

I appreciate your take.

Gratitude for sharing.

It appears that Sharks has in fact become tainted with the upsell flu. I've never had so many offers for CIM at this club. What kondompflicht? I say this because it's used as an extortion tactic to get the 100 euro half hours. Want a half hour with BBBJ with a girl you've never been with? You're probably going to have to pay that extra 50, so you might as well CIM. Anal was also offerred more frequently. Good 1 hour rooms for 100 euro is still possible but I had to speak about the pricing outside of the room, not my favorite thing to do. I'm usually a 1 hour guy but even the 1 hour good session received some push back, with the girls fishing for 150 euro 1 hour rooms. I went on Wednesday, Saturday, and Sunday so perhaps it's not as bad on non-peak days. Yeah, I hear you. Keep naming and shaming the up sellers like Mersi ro or Serena ro or Betty ro.

Sharks is become a catastrophe really.

Anyway, my regulars seemed to have given me the polite blackball for various reasons so I ended up trying what I call the class of 2017: Helen, Athena, Lily, and Estephania. I get this on the big jobs too. It is not fair. But fairness is not what FKK is all about. It is like the share market. It is a zero sum game. There are winners and there are losers. You can be either end of the spectrum and the rationale is not the in the palm of your hand.

You pay these tutes good money, you can be bankrolling them a large wallet, but somehow she will not accept your overtures and you are not sure why. Logic dictates she will open her legs with welcoming smiles but she rebuffs your messages on various media and blanks you in the club. Totally irrational, but then these tutes are not in this job because they are makers of the age of reason. You go to the club, you spends your money and you hope for the best or just look for the next pussy down the line up.

It is hard when you are in the shoes of the one getting black balled but, "Hey, we have all been there. " It is a hassle and can be a stress but nobody is going to understand it better than you.

Best thing to do is do what you did and go bang some other tutes to get over the tutes that blackballed you. The big jobs then become little jobs.

Member #4585

02-08-18, 23:54

Member #4585

02-09-18, 00:00

I am lost with that expression. Why exactly are they referred to as Pole dancers?

Th girls who sit by the pole, none are really pole dancers.

As Takedown says, the pole dancers are the girls that sit near or on the pole dance podium, only one is really a pole dancer which is Mariella.

Pistons

02-09-18, 00:43

Takedown,

I appreciate your take.

Gratitude for sharing.

Yeah, I hear you. Keep naming and shaming the up sellers like Mersi ro or Serena ro or Betty ro.Hmm, is there a new Mersi at Sharks? I had a local telling me Mersi was around on Sunday, but when he pointed at this Mersi, it was definitely not the Mersi I knew. The Mersi claiming to be from Hungary who doesn't speak much English. Who is this Romanian Mersi?

DesRev

02-09-18, 01:19

Anyone who has a polluted interior (emotionally and / or mentally) is going to pollute the environment, regardless of gender. Those men who are coming to german FKK clubs, sometimes travelling distances of several thousand miles, thinking they get cheap sex IMHO are severly mentally polluted.

The main interest for woman to work there is to earn a lot of money, as quick as possible. "Fake it until you make it", we again just learned from McAdonis' link. You missed the point entirely just to shoehorn your "Jordan Peterson" role play attempt. The environment I wrote of is not some psychological internal one. To avoid misunderstandings, let me try again: I'm saying that upselling ladies are ruining it for the straightforward honest ladies and themselves in the long run by reducing the pool of money available for the ladies. Upsellers may succeed in having a lower work /$ ratio and even making more money over a few weeks but they do not make more over a year compared to a non-upseller, everything else equal. Upselling behavior discourages men from returning to Sharks, which means money that will not enter the pool but otherwise would have. It also makes the men who do go to Sharks, more hesitant to try a random punt.

I do not think expecting normal standard sex for a standard price makes someone cheap, but we can agree to disagree on this.

I said it several times and I will repeat it here again for you: the main purpose of prostitution (in all its manifold variations) is to facilitate the transfer of money from men to women.This is only half correct, at best. The transfer of money from men to women is only one side of the transaction and you know this. Prostitution is a market like any other, with two sides to every transaction.

I miss Sandra also, she is still today my favorite German.

I was speaking with a monger who was telling me the story of how Sharks rose up due to poor management at Oase. Back in 2014 Oase was king and Sharks was a relatively empty club. Then the management at Oase changed, increasing the entry, changing the food, and implemented the bracelets. A band of German regulars got together and moved their business to Sharks and now you see where we are today. Oase gets half of the traffic as Sharks. Oase is full of tourists in the day and Turkish Germans at night with no more than 10% older german regulars. Sharks still has it's contingent of Germans but how much longer will they put up with this before they migrate elsewhere? Maybe even back to Oase...Thanks for sharing. Sandra is probably my ATF or, at least, top 2. My only regret is that I didn't spend more time and money with her. I forget what happens in most sessions after a day, but I still remember the sessions I had years ago with Sandra. Great spankbank material. I think I will pay Oase a visit or two until I hear that Sharks is back on the upswing.

McAdonis

02-09-18, 02:13

At the same time my other regulars are super popular, especially with Asian clients and were busy the whole day so it is possible that my 100 euro note just took a lower priority than a whale's committed 5 hour room and other clients who commit to 150euro hours or 100euro half hours who are also somewhat regulars.
Getting priority bumped by a super-popular WG on a peak night is a common occurrence. Doesn't happen to me often, because the ones I room with aren't that super-high demand. But WG's have rejected me before with the excuse that they are tired. However, my next visit, they went to the room with me, no problem. If it becomes a pattern then, you may been blackballed.

But I doubt this. The WGs that blackballed me were direct in their tone, words, and body language. A few of the ones that have blackballed me still retain a sense of humor. So even though I know they don't want to go with me, I still make a ritual of approaching them, just to entertain myself.

RE: whales and busy WGs. For all we know, that day you visited, she could have been getting text messages from three different whales. She's trying to figure out a way she can squeeze all three in. She's just showered after a long room with whale #1. Whale #2 is nowhere to be found. She now has to frantically search for her WG friend to see if she has any status updates on whale #2, meanwhile she now has to find whale #3 to see if he is willing to push his appointment back a little. Point is she is going after the biggest sales prospects first, so she may have just forgot to get back to you.

Also how clear were your intentions to room? Was it (a) let's room now (b) let's meet at 8 pm (c) come look for me later.

WilliamHuntley

02-09-18, 02:26

I've seen several posters reference a WG's social media account. Do the WG's advertise on social media? Which sites? Or do only their regulars get access to such access?

ExpatLover

02-09-18, 03:58

I know what you are saying. There are indeed the brand names at Sharks that turn down guys whether Ottoman or Hessen local or tourist from NRW, BW or Bayern, but less so Asian from America or Asia since the bucks are free flowing like the rivers of Babylon.

I have sat many times at the couches or bar and seen the Sharks brand names and pole dancers turn down Central men and Southern men and Ottomans. One girl says there are certain girls that cater to Ottoman clientele.

We have to thank Esther as she does all.The girls who are taking all kind of guys are a no go for me, as soon as see it I will no more go with her.

Member #4585

02-09-18, 06:13

I've seen several posters reference a WG's social media account. Do the WG's advertise on social media? Which sites? Or do only their regulars get access to such access?A lot of guys will book the WG, particularly brand name Sharks girls via their Instagram, Facebook, WeChat, Snap Chat.

If you look at the Golden Time thread you will also see many recent posts complaining about how many of the best lookers are pre booked by guys via social media and hence are not available to the average guy who turns up on spec to the Golden Time club.

What may have happened to Takedown with his reference to whales booking out his regulars, mainly Asians, is the savvy social media mongers doing just that.

Sirioja

02-09-18, 08:03

If no one complains when they ask about the satisfaction, it's going to be difficult.

Let's be clear, we don't go to clubs to eat, to have some sauna or to play ball in the swimming pool, the main reason is SEX. So the club is responsible for managing the girls. But most of guys at Sharks seem really happy with the situation, they never complain, they happily accept every upsell and they come back!After about 1000 rooms for last 5 years, because I m only a baby in FKK land, I never needed to complain to desk about a girl and of course no girl never complained about me. Twice, once in Germany, once in Switzerland on 2011, I even had a problem about money on late night, ATM didn't work or no connection for credit card, both girls said: See you next time, without complaining to desk. It was about 200 CHF in Switzerland, only 50 missing in Germany, in Switzerland I proposed to go to try to get money outside at 2 am, my girl refused and said you will give me on next time. I didn't plan, but I returned to her on next week end. She said: I was sure you will be back on next week end.

About Sharks, except Madi2 , no upselling for me for my last visits, most often 100 for 1 hour, because I m a slow guy in bed.

Sharks is only 1 club among many others, many girls but only few beauties, when I could find 8 attractive girls at GT on last week end, since Summer 2016, I never found so many at Sharks. Girls sexual potential is also higher for me in NRW.

Better than complaining, don t be stuck, move, many great girls in FKK land, just have to make them become great for you, from your behavior with them.

Tedesco

02-09-18, 09:14

It's not only in huge clubs like Sharks that regular customers make a pre-booking but also in small places as I know from numerous punters. This makes the business keep running and helps the girls to build up and save their base of loyal customers. These ones often have only a small time frame and the need to match a visit in the club with the family at home or the business schedule.

As a result less flexibility for those potential customers in hope to get a first date after having read lots of positive statements by writing punters. But simultaneously a more comfortable situation for the girls being sure to get a save income on such days without the need to stay the whole day.

ExpatLover

02-09-18, 09:56

A lot of guys will book the WG, particularly brand name Sharks girls via their Instagram, Facebook, WeChat, Snap Chat.

If you look at the Golden Time thread you will also see many recent posts complaining about how many of the best lookers are pre booked by guys via social media and hence are not available to the average guy who turns up on spec to the Golden Time club.

What may have happened to Takedown with his reference to whales booking out his regulars, mainly Asians, is the savvy social media mongers doing just that.Could be true but from my side if I want to met a girl I whatsapp her and usually we will meet outside the club far less stress for her no entry to pay. Most of the girls are doing it with regular customers like this, f some guys for confidentiality reasons can't meet a girl outside so they will use whatsapp to make a appointment. For example Brenda from Shark was very free und hunting a lot the last 2 days no need to make a appointment to meet her.

Action22

02-09-18, 10:32

DesRev

Thank you for your thought leadership on this theme that this is just not right, in fact, its is all going wrong.

The theme is Sharks is Sharks is becoming like Palace and Mainhattan. The word has gone out viral like, such that, there are Americans on local state American forums also saying that the shrine that is Sharks is become no more. What is that all about?

The feed back that is being given is coming from the guys looking for the Sharks brand name girls like Sandra, Mandy or Helen, then there is the pole dancer group of girls with their doyenne Evita, then there is the outsider groups like Michaela who is up and coming then the lost Dina and Nicoletta.

The 50 buck deal is still there at Sharks, there are girls that happily take my money for Suck, lick, and fuck. There is the up sell talk but this can be avoided. The service is still there. Guys, you are basing the up sell on a small percentage of the total girls in the club, not the aggregate sum (of all fears).

The girl may not be the brand names of Sharks.Well. I'll be there in a few hours. Going to find out.

As I've gotten older, I've been into the longer session, and try to be more generous with the girls. In sum, I play the game differently than when I was younger. And I'm less and less tolerant of bullshit. Remember, no matter how hot she is there's someone somewhere tired of dealing with her BS LOL. So. I think it's going to be ok. I've always had good times there, and remember, one of the Thekefrau is American (and she's great! I still have fond memories of our session many years ago at Oase).

Action22

02-09-18, 10:35

I have the utmost respect for Sharks and their owners. They will manage to turn it around for very sure. I can't believe that Oase should be better than Sharks in the winter time but I guess all those reports and opinions don't lie.This. And they don't tolerate a whole lot of bullshit from those RO girls management either, who is usually the problem (unlike, say, Palace or Artemis, which are forever banned).

Action22

02-09-18, 10:37

I hear you MonSooner. It is a sad state of affairs. My friends and I have been discussing the decline.

Even some of the German tourists who go to visit Hessen say that things are not the same and even talk about Austria or Switzerland since it is just across the border. Girls want extra 50 for kiss and lick the pussy.

It used to be just one or two girls but now it is a lot more. It is really the end. Dark doom honey. You have to keep to regulars but when they leave then the number dwindles.

The payroll becomes smaller. To expand the payroll may mean heading to pastures new or really invest in some girls and negotiate the deal to make it work.Disagree. There is always ebb and flow, usually depending on the economy. You may just have to become more discerning.

A friend of mine, a veteran hobbyist, visited Sharks a few months back. He had a pretty good time and his experiences with the girls match historical expectations.

Action22

02-09-18, 10:41

Once again, no meaning after cut. At Sharks, at World, at VIP GT, girls can refuse a guy if they want, when I was said to have forced a girl to have 2 diners on same night and 10 1 hour rooms in 1 months at World on Summer 2015. How a girl can be forced when she ask you to have diners with her, when you would have preferred to have diner with another one who was looking at us, just because she wants You repeat with her, and come to You many times to ask you if you are ready to repeat.

Nevertheless, some little Romanian girls seem afraid to say no to German guys. Real women are not afraid about this, and I like real women.

So many claimed stories in FKK land of jealousy.I trust the management at GT and Sharks, because they set the gold standard for customer satisfaction. They've been doing this a long time. It's been a long time since I visited World, but I trusted them too.

Nick The G

02-09-18, 10:46

As Takedown says, the pole dancers are the girls that sit near or on the pole dance podium, only one is really a pole dancer which is Mariella.Don't forget about Djamila/Joana, the great dancer! Since she is sitting there too, and since she is the only one dancing at the pole for the last two weeks (with Mariella on holidays), there must be at least two "real pole dancers" in that otherwise obviously misnamed group.

Nick The G

02-09-18, 11:17

You missed the point entirely just to shoehorn your "Jordan Peterson" role play attempt.First time that I hear his name! Thanks for the hint!

Prostitution is a market like any other, with two sides to every transaction.Well, let's assume for the moment that the reduction to two facets is true. Then what is the use of all the complaining of many of those people here in the forum about normal market phenomena in FKK-Clubs? It is a market, like any other, as you stated.

WYSIWYG: The capitalistic system ideology, best represented by its hard-core adepts who want to earn money, as much and as fast as they can, using optimized methods for short time success.

Turgid

02-09-18, 14:06

.....Sharks and other FKK-clubs are dark, resentful places! Cauldrons filled with people full of unprocessed emotional projections on other people!Your posts strike me as someone who's not getting any....and if you do go into Sharks at all you just sit around looking at mongers and being bitter.

ExpatLover

02-09-18, 14:33

Your posts strike me as someone who's not getting any....and if you do go into Sharks at all you just sit around looking at mongers and being bitter.We should not speculate about what other are doing in the clubs, what is sure at least for me it is more and more difficult to be very happy in Shark or Oase or World but I am not the only one yesterday around 15 PM at Shark everybody was looking so sad the girls and the mongers, no party atmosphere, no fun, nothing just desperate faces. The girls were complaining about tuff times like usual and the guys were also unhappy but I don t know the reasons. Fortunately there are better clubs, where guys are speaking together, the girls and the staffs are friendly, you feel like in a family respect on both sides and no guys taking showers with clothes or speaking like I fuck her ass so hard I think she will have pain for several days, that are the places where you want to return but not in the big Hessen clubs where everything is so fake.

Sirioja

02-09-18, 14:50

I think the question is can you still get 50 euro with kiss, BBBJ, suck, and fuck and with a looker regardless of brand name. This statement is a hyperbole but I have no doubt that said service can be had with those large 40 year olds who work on Dessous day using clothes to cover up those bellies.Yes, you can at Sharks, with a woman type blond Hungarian always smiling, not Dina nor Nicoletta nor Mersi. Hu, only working on week end. I had 2 rooms with her on end of 2017 . She is really nice for behavior, always smiling, kissing, sucking, but really not used to long foreplay, so even not my standard, 30 full minutes are enough with her. No upselling, only smiles and thank you for 50.

As I'm used to 1 hour rooms, no upselling for me at Sharks, girls take 100 and repeat.

Takedown

02-09-18, 15:04

Getting priority bumped by a super-popular WG on a peak night is a common occurrence. Doesn't happen to me often, because the ones I room with aren't that super-high demand. But WG's have rejected me before with the excuse that they are tired. However, my next visit, they went to the room with me, no problem. If it becomes a pattern then, you may been blackballed.

But I doubt this. The WGs that blackballed me were direct in their tone, words, and body language. A few of the ones that have blackballed me still retain a sense of humor. So even though I know they don't want to go with me, I still make a ritual of approaching them, just to entertain myself.

RE: whales and busy WGs. For all we know, that day you visited, she could have been getting text messages from three different whales. She's trying to figure out a way she can squeeze all three in. She's just showered after a long room with whale #1. Whale #2 is nowhere to be found. She now has to frantically search for her WG friend to see if she has any status updates on whale #2, meanwhile she now has to find whale #3 to see if he is willing to push his appointment back a little. Point is she is going after the biggest sales prospects first, so she may have just forgot to get back to you.

Also how clear were your intentions to room? Was it (a) let's room now (b) let's meet at 8 pm (c) come look for me later.Your whale juggling story sounds like what I imagine is a typical night in the life of Evita.

Optimist

02-09-18, 17:18

Bitumen. You list Mersi, Serena and Betty as upselling. Well done. It is good to identify the greedy ruthless Precious Princesses who are giving the club a bad reputation (even if this hasn't yet reached the US forums).

I hope that, unlike me, you won't get WhatsApp messages from these girls complaining about you reporting on their behaviour.

I say greedy since to give just one example, a 500 euro session by me was described as " not much money" and an extra payment was demanded, and in fact taken from my wallet.

Takedown

02-09-18, 17:26

Bitumen. You list Mersi, Serena and Betty as upselling. Well done. It is good to identify the greedy ruthless Precious Princesses who are giving the club a bad reputation (even if this hasn't yet reached the US forums).

I hope that, unlike me, you won't get WhatsApp messages from these girls complaining about you reporting on their behaviour.

I say greedy since to give just one example, a 500 euro session by me, was described as " not much money" and an extra payment was demanded, and in fact taken from my wallet.Was this story about Betty? She asked me for a tip once so I gave her 10 romanian lei, LOL.

Optimist

02-09-18, 17:31

Was this story about Betty? She asked me for a tip once so I gave her 10 romanian lei, LOL.Your story made me laugh out loud. I can imagine the reaction you got!

McAdonis

02-09-18, 21:06

Upsellers may succeed in having a lower work /$ ratio and even making more money over a few weeks but they do not make more over a year compared to a non-upseller, everything else equal. Upselling behavior discourages men from returning to Sharks, which means money that will not enter the pool but otherwise would have. It also makes the men who do go to Sharks, more hesitant to try a random punt.
This is a common sentiment. An environment of upselling definitely makes ME hesitant for a random punt at Sharks, but I consider myself a hardcore punter. Lots of mongers are just recreational. I've met guys who have told me they live in Frankfurt, but have visited FKK less than 5 times in their life. For these types of guys, they can go into the room, 5 minutes CBJ, 7 minutes fucking, and pop, and handover a 50 EUR with a smile. Veteran fly-in sex tourists on their sixth consecutive day of clubbing, pumped up on Viagra, looking for GFE, emotional connection and chemistry are a totally different beast. No way such a monger will pop in less than 30 minutes. He is going to be more difficult to please physically, emotionally, and mentally. He may be only worth the effort if she thinks he has the capacity to spend big.

I've never worked as a WG before. It would be presumptuous of me to think I know how to maximize profits better than they do. Sales is about understanding the customers, reading customers, and the WGs have infinitely more experience than I do in this department. My observations from the small percentage of customers I actually speak to (1) Not many men repeat either because they like variety or they just don't have time and money to attend frequently. (2) At big fuck factories, not many customers talk to each other (3) Even if monger #1 tells his friend monger #2 a specific WG is below average, monger #2 will still take the chance if she is hot enough and he subscribes to the adage of YMMV. These types of customer behavior reinforces to the WGs the idea, "Bad reviews don't matter. I can still make money. And majority of men will session me just once even if I perform well".

There is a good chance you are 100% correct about the WGs leaving some money on the table. But it is none of our business. I've met many mongers (usually older) who have told me, "I used to make $200 K and work 60 hours a week, now I just work 30 hours and make $120 K. I am happier now. " Law of diminishing returns. Extra money may not be worth additional investment in energy. Sanity and mental well-being take precedence. Also met many a monger who openly admit they are not maximizing their earning potential and do the bare-minimum with career advancement. They prefer to spend all their time masturbating to porn and planning their next FKK trip!

Through their own experience and observing other WGs, some of these upsellers may be convinced they have the winning money-earning formula:"The best salespeople know that sales is a numbers game and a time game. The goal is to sort through prospects as quickly as possible to find a few great prospects. Instead of trying to persuade every prospect to do business with them, top salespeople get weak prospects to weed themselves out quickly, so they can spend the time on the best prospects. " That means try to figure out if the monger is a big spender within first 10 minutes, if not process him, so you can make sure you are available, if a whale walks in.

Two years ago, I saw the writing on the wall for Sharks decline. It still may be another two years before another club knocks Sharks off the throne. Lots of WGs don't worry about polluting the environment, because they don't plan to be in the environment that much longer. I am not defending upsellers. I hate dealing with them too. But I can't blame them.

Nick The G

02-09-18, 22:30

I hope that, unlike me, you won't get WhatsApp messages from these girls complaining about you reporting on their behavior.BTW, how did these girls get your phone no. ?

I say greedy since to give just one example, a 500 euro session by me was described as " not much money" and an extra payment was demanded, and in fact taken from my wallet.What was your role in that sort of robbery?

I love so much to hear one of your "I am a victim" stories again! And it is true, we have to pay a lot of money to be able to tell those heart-shaking tales.

Rogue Nation

02-09-18, 22:48

"Bad reviews don't matter. I can still make money. And majority of men will session me just once even if I perform well".They don't as the percentage of visitor reading the forums is far lower than most of us think.

Two years ago, I saw the writing on the wall for Sharks decline. It still may be another two years before another club knocks Sharks off the throne. Lots of WGs don't worry about polluting the environment, because they don't plan to be in the environment that much longer. I am not defending upsellers. I hate dealing with them too. But I can't blame them.Sharks' service levels dropped when the tourists discovered the club. That will happen to any other club as well.

Sirioja

02-10-18, 02:37

I trust the management at GT and Sharks, because they set the gold standard for customer satisfaction. They've been doing this a long time. It's been a long time since I visited World, but I trusted them too.Staff care about clients satisfaction at GT or LR, but not at all at Sharks nor Oase.

Anyway, anywhere, I don t need staff about girls, I work on my own to make girls will to please me. I even succeeded at Oase with pretty Vera. Ro who wanted high rate to be my GF, but later she asked me if I wanted to go, she got 100 for 1 hour and was a really good surprise for her behavior, and smiles after room. To repeat.

TankTank123

02-10-18, 03:31

Was this story about Betty? She asked me for a tip once so I gave her 10 romanian lei, LOL.Drats! If you had written this earlier, I could have learnt from you and not have over-tipped her. After spending 500 euros on her over 2 days in spring last year, she asked for a 10 euro tip. I did give her that amount, which is about 5 times what you gave. But decided not to take her again, as it portends that she is likely to ask for more and more the next time.

Pistons

02-10-18, 05:11

Yes, you can at Sharks, with a woman type blond Hungarian always smiling, not Dina nor Nicoletta nor Mersi. Hu, only working on week end. I had 2 rooms with her on end of 2017 . She is really nice for behavior, always smiling, kissing, sucking, but really not used to long foreplay, so even not my standard, 30 full minutes are enough with her. No upselling, only smiles and thank you for 50.

As I'm used to 1 hour rooms, no upselling for me at Sharks, girls take 100 and repeat.It almost sounds like there are 2 different Merci's. One Romanian and one Hungarian.

UncleOx

02-10-18, 05:24

Sharks' service levels dropped when the tourists discovered the club. That will happen to any other club as well.I am surprised that tourists are blamed for a club's service levels dropped or greedy nature of WG girls.

Who else is not tourists if he visit a FKK clubs outside his home city?

If someone is a Darmstadt local, did he ever visit clubs in NRW or Berlin? Was he not a tourist when he visited there?

Without tourists, especially those came from America or some rich Asian countries, most FKK clubs would bankrupt. Local German mongers should appreciate international mongers' financial help to maintain the FKK businesses in Germany and in affordable way. BTW, local Germans are also tourists if they visit clubs outside their home cities.

No offense to anyone!

BigBuddy69

02-10-18, 07:18

The easiest solution would be to say "no, I already gave you enough money", don't you think?

Spoiling the girls is not a good idea.

Rogue Nation

02-10-18, 10:28

I am surprised that tourists are blamed for a club's service levels dropped or greedy nature of WG girls.

Who else is not tourists if he visit a FKK clubs outside his home city?

If someone is a Darmstadt local, did he ever visit clubs in NRW or Berlin? Was he not a tourist when he visited there?Tourists as a synonym for an client willing to pay overpay and to ruin service levels. Either because he doesn't know better or because he doesn't care as he is rarely visiting and doesn't care. Usually those clients are foreigners. Asians or Americans overwhelmed by what they can get in an FKK opposed to their home country. Rarely they are Germans, but the do also exist. The big spenders who fall in love e. G.

It is quite obvious that smaller clubs off the beaten path with a high percentage of locals do have higher service leveks than the big fuck factories near or in the big cities, close to the fairgrounds and airports.

Palace, Artemis, Paradise, Oceans. Versus Bahama, Rom, Feigenblatt. Just to name a few.

Sharks wasn't discovered by too many foreigners a few years ago. Service level was high. Then more and more tourists flocked to the club, even during Messe they take a cab to Sharks and not to Oase or Palace. Service levels dropped.

ExpatLover

02-10-18, 11:12

I am surprised that tourists are blamed for a club's service levels dropped or greedy nature of WG girls.

Who else is not tourists if he visit a FKK clubs outside his home city?

If someone is a Darmstadt local, did he ever visit clubs in NRW or Berlin? Was he not a tourist when he visited there?

Without tourists, especially those came from America or some rich Asian countries, most FKK clubs would bankrupt. Local German mongers should appreciate international mongers' financial help to maintain the FKK businesses in Germany and in affordable way. BTW, local Germans are also tourists if they visit clubs outside their home cities.

No offense to anyone!Let us be reasonable if I follow you when you change street you are also a tourist, no a tourist is a guy who can't speak German mostly, who is not visiting club many times a year, obviously they are also not aware about the services that should be included in a 50 euros session.

McAdonis

02-10-18, 11:48

They don't as the percentage of visitor reading the forums is far lower than most of us think.
"Bad reviews" doesn't mean just internet forums. This includes men speaking to each other inside the club. Back at Oase in 2013, I met four hardcore sex tourists traveling a group. They explained that the previous day they were at Palace. All four of them went with Stella. Their entire table fucked her. All four of them said it was a horrible session. I could understand the first guy stepping on the grenade, maybe even the second. But the fourth guy? This means the fourth guy went with her even after all three of his wingmen gave her negative reviews!! Just this past weekend I was reminded this is not a strange phenomenon. A monger sent me a text message telling me of a similar story that occurred with his group at Sharks. This time I believe friend #1 went with the Sharks brand name WG back in September. Friend #2 and #3 went with her this weekend. All three of these friends knew about her negative internet forum reviews as well. Message to the WG is loud and clear: I can perform poorly and still get customers.

Sharks' service levels dropped when the tourists discovered the club. That will happen to any other club as well.Their discovery is partially fueled by internet forum traffic. I agree that 95% of visitors do not read the reports religiously, but many know about the forum and will visit occasionally. A French or Italian guy doing a weekend Frankfurt trip might visit ISG the night before his visit and spend 5 minutes clicking around. That is long enough to see that Sharks has 17.000 reports and read the most recent 2-3 page of reviews. Five minutes of effort is enough to come to the conclusion that Sharks is trending upward and probably the club they should check out. Although such minimal effort is not enough to remember details like: Angelina crushes testicles or Betty goes into mens wallets.

I'd say maybe 1-3% of Sharks visitors are hardcore fly-in sex tourists (rough estimate since I don't speak to every man that enters the club). These men spend 30-60 days a year in FKK. Their annual airfare, hotel, rental car, and fuel costs alone probably exceed $10 K. You think these guys making these huge investments aren't doing their research? This small but influential group probably makes up between 20-80% of the income for each WG in the pole dancer group.

Nick The G

02-10-18, 11:53

Yes, you can at Sharks, with a woman type blond Hungarian always smiling, not Dina nor Nicoletta nor Mersi. Hu, only working on week end. I had 2 rooms with her on end of 2017 . She is really nice for behavior, always smiling, kissing, sucking, but really not used to long foreplay, so even not my standard, 30 full minutes are enough with her. No upselling, only smiles and thank you for 50.

It almost sounds like there are 2 different Merci's. One Romanian and one Hungarian.I guess Sirioja was writing about fake-blonde Lora.

McAdonis

02-10-18, 12:14

Without tourists, especially those came from America or some rich Asian countries, most FKK clubs would bankrupt. Local German mongers should appreciate international mongers' financial help to maintain the FKK businesses in Germany and in affordable way. BTW, local Germans are also tourists if they visit clubs outside their home cities.If you observe local Germans and sex tourists from America / Asia, there is a big difference in behavior and mindset. To be successfully in the negotiation process, one must not seem overeager, one must not be too emotionally invested in the outcome, and one must not feel pressured by time. Some local Germans attend so much, they are spoiled to the point they are disinterested. They feel no pressure to chase after a busy WG today, because they can always come back tomorrow or next week. Some locals have been fucking brand name WGs for decades and even seem bored by them. They are willing to try wider range of WGs. I once met a local at LR who told me he fucked the entire LU. This type of behavior sends a message to the most attractive, spoiled, princess WGs: "I have no leverage. My beauty holds no power over him. ".

Americans and Asians can't get cheap white European pussy back home, so everything is a bargain to them. They have this attitude, like what's a 50 EUR tip when I just spent over a 1000 EUR on airfare. Local Darmstadt guy going to a Berlin FKK doesn't suffer from same issues.

Takedown

02-10-18, 13:39

I am surprised that tourists are blamed for a club's service levels dropped or greedy nature of WG girls.

Who else is not tourists if he visit a FKK clubs outside his home city?

Americans and Asians can't get cheap white European pussy back home, so everything is a bargain to them. They have this attitude, like what's a 50 EUR tip when I just spent over a 1000 EUR on airfare. Local Darmstadt guy going to a Berlin FKK doesn't suffer from same issues.I'll ignore the domestic tourist argument because I think we all know what is meant by tourist, international tourist.

Don't be surprised, the belief that tourist spending deserves the blame is highly accurate. Same reason why food at tourist attractions is more expensive than at local joints. Holiday money is spent differently than local money.

I have spoken with numerous Americans at the clubs on several occasions and they have admitted to overpaying. They also admit that because they are tourist that don't come often, they don't care about the effect they have on pricing. Selfish attitude tes, but hey they're trying to enjoy their holiday today, not ensuring a cheaper one for you or even for themselves tomorrow. (WGs are not the only ones who are short sighted)

So yes, tourists are a big reason why prices are inflated at big name brand clubs. It's obvious. Again, see food prices at tourist attraction example. Same same.

Takedown

02-10-18, 13:46

If you observe local Germans and sex tourists from America / Asia, there is a big difference in behavior and mindset. To be successfully in the negotiation process, one must not seem overeager, one must not be too emotionally invested in the outcome, and one must not feel pressured by time. Some local Germans attend so much, they are spoiled to the point they are disinterested. They feel no pressure to chase after a busy WG today, because they can always come back tomorrow or next week. I'm going to have to defend myself as a tourist. You've seen me in clubs only going with one girl or none at all on multiple occasions. 😬.

KenzoTange

02-10-18, 14:00

A French or Italian guy doing a weekend Frankfurt trip might visit ISG the night before his visit and spend 5 minutes clicking around. That is long enough to see that Sharks has 17.000 reports and read the most recent 2-3 page of reviews. Five minutes of effort is enough to come to the conclusion that Sharks is trending upward and probably the club they should check out. Although such minimal effort is not enough to remember details like: Angelina crushes testicles or Betty goes into mens wallets..Entschuldigung. I am a tourist and I am guilty of this. I came to "Germany. FKK Clubs" and notice Sharks had more posts so I come here. 3 weeks ago everything was more positive and Sharks looked better than Oase and Palace and Mainhattan.

If I live in Frankfurt and own a car I would visit other clubs. But sharks is closest to airport and Darmstadt has cheap hotels. I do try my best not to overpay. Even as a tourist we would prefer not to pay extra.

Member #4585

02-10-18, 14:25

Cheap Charlie all day 50 bucks entry Wednesday was as usual populated by the German House Guests groups who hold court reigning over all that they survey.

Not much to report apart from it was a usual Wednesday and not masses of fucking.

Brand name Sharks girls booked out with the lower grade team less busy and waiting around for customer to take them.

The line up surprisingly felt much better in terms of number than it did on Friday for the first day of the Ambiente Messe which is on from 9 to 13 February.

Maybe it is because a lot of the girls were unemployed.

The Walrus was there and he was auditioning the girls that will take an offer.

Turgid

02-10-18, 14:38

I'll ignore the domestic tourist argument because I think we all know what is meant by tourist, international tourist.

Don't be surprised, the belief that tourist spending deserves the blame is highly accurate. Same reason why food at tourist attractions is more expensive than at local joints. Holiday money is spent differently than local money.

I have spoken with numerous Americans at the clubs on several occasions and they have admitted to overpaying. They also admit that because they are tourist that don't come often, they don't care about the effect they have on pricing. Selfish attitude tes, but hey they're trying to enjoy their holiday today, not ensuring a cheaper one for you or even for themselves tomorrow. (WGs are not the only ones who are short sighted)

So yes, tourists are a big reason why prices are inflated at big name brand clubs. It's obvious. Again, see food prices at tourist attraction example. Same same.I think we must separate the Asian tourists from the American tourists. American men have many forms of recreation viz sports, drinking with buddies, partying and a myriad of others. Asian men on the other hand only indulge in recreational sex. Whereas American men spend liberally across the board Asian men spend excessively when it comes to mongering but very frugally on food, clothes, etc. If you read the South East Asian boards you will read complaints of girls avoiding Americans and Europeans and choosing Koreans, Chinese and Japanese. Asians spend more money on wgs and are less sexually demanding. I am in Sao Paulo now and I see more Asian men in the clinicas than non Asians. Asian mongers proliferate around the globe. I am not complaining about Asian mongers, I actually salute them, they have more disposable income than Americans and Europeans and spend it on a healthy hobby. However, I think they are responsible for spoilt attitudes of many providers.

Member #4585

02-10-18, 14:39

It is the start of the 5 day Ambiente Messe in Frankfurt. It is a decent size Messe so well attended and has a really international crowd.

Just some notes.

I had a room at 5 pm and another room at 9 pm. There was no queues for rooms. It was a usual Friday night with a smattering of the usual German House Guests holding court.

Then at 10 pm an explosion happened. It was expected. There was queues of men coming into the club. Italians, heaps of Italians who refused to speak anything but Italian. No English no German. Italians are not really into international languages in my experience.

The Turkish. Hordes of Ottomans. I don't know if these are Ottomans from Anatolia or local Ottomans but they came intheir groups.

Then Asians. Some Indian and some black but East Asians in the main. Korean, Chinese, Japanese, Thailand, Singapore, Hong Kong. These the girls became active and lapped up and went in for the kill. Certainly for the thrill.

There was one Romanian girl who went up to two very young looking Asian men. She said to them loudly she needed to do a control on them. She said she needed to see their passports to make sure they were of correct age. She was insistent the two small young Asian men did not come into the club falsely. The Germans loved that one and laughed heartedly.

When I left there was a taxi queue that started inside the Sharks carpark and snaked out onto the road to a long way down Rohm Strasse due to all the taxi drivers brining the East Asian customers in car loads from the Messe.

My God. There was so many Asians. The girls were making a killing.

The food was awful. Some of the vegetables were under cooked. It was so bland. I had to order a pizza. Family size. The reason is as soon as the Tutes see you with a pizza they all want some too. They come running over for a piece of action. So I order some slices for me and the rest for the girls who inevitably come by.

A bit different to the Candy man who is regularly in the club.

Takedown

02-10-18, 15:03

I think we must separate the Asian tourists from the American tourists. American men have many forms of recreation viz sports, drinking with buddies, partying and a myriad of others. Asian men on the other hand only indulge in recreational sex. Whereas American men spend liberally across the board Asian men spend excessively when it comes to mongering but very frugally on food, clothes, etc. If you read the South East Asian boards you will read complaints of girls avoiding Americans and Europeans and choosing Koreans, Chinese and Japanese. Asians spend more money on wgs and are less sexually demanding. I am in Sao Paulo now and I see more Asian men in the clinicas than non Asians. Asian mongers proliferate around the globe. I am not complaining about Asian mongers, I actually salute them, they have more disposable income than Americans and Europeans and spend it on a healthy hobby. However, I think they are responsible for spoilt attitudes of many providers.I have not found Americans to be any better, especially not White Americans. My example and frustrations of Americans overpaying especially covers more White Americans as I tend to befriend more White Americans at the clubs, at least in casual conversation. I don't know many Asians from Asia so I don't know if they overpay even more, no clue, but Americans aren't getting out of this blame game. Not only are they upsold, they also tip. Do Asians from Asia tip? They are notoriously subpar tippers when it comes to food service tipping.

Meanwhile the Asian Americans I know, 6 or so with the exception of one, generally pay club rate plus the occasional extras such as CIM and Anal, but not for kissing or good service.

P.s. those Asians you see in Sao Paulo might very well be locals. Brazil has the largest Japanese population outside of Japan

P.p.s. Asian men frugal with food spending? Lmfao. As for clothes, perhaps the Chinese but not the Japanese and Koreans who are more lavish with appearances.

So in short, I reject your theory that Americans are exempt from the blame of overpaid WGs, especially white Americans.

ExpatLover

02-10-18, 15:19

My example of Americans overpaying covers more White Americans than Asian American as I tend to befriend more White Americans at the clubs, at least in casual conversation. I don't know many Asians from Asia so perhaps they overpay even more, no clue, but White Americans aren't getting out of this blame game. Not only are they upsold, they also tip. Meanwhile the Asian Americans I know, 6 or so with the exception of one, generally pay club rate plus the ocassional extras such as CIM and Anal, but not for kissing or good service.

P.s. those Asians you see in Sao Paulo might very well be locals. Brazil has the largest Japanese population outside of JapanI hope that you are joking most of the Asian are overpaying like the north European or USA, Canadian just because the P6 is quite expensive in their respective countries for them 50 or 150 euros is still very cheap. Also you are not demanding a lot because you are afraid to get sick, mostly no deep kissing no pussy licking even some refuse BBBJ. Many Asian guys are shy and will be very passive in the room and will not use the full time but leave after they come.

Sirioja

02-10-18, 15:32

I guess Sirioja was writing about fake-blonde Lora.But very white skin and woman type for look.

Your Sharks casting knowledge, and cleverness for some of your writings, make you being the Sharks master, when some can only try to play to be, but just pathetic about what girls tell about.

We just have our own different reasons to attend this business, like WGs, even many are driven by pimps, but not all. Few years ago, I didn't know, I didn't need, I would never have thought I would ever go, but our life can change so fast. But a real girlfriend will always be higher level for me, if You are able to make her will to take care of you back.

McAdonis

02-10-18, 15:51

I think we must separate the Asian tourists from the American tourists. American men have many forms of recreation viz sports, drinking with buddies, partying and a myriad of others. Asian men on the other hand only indulge in recreational sex. WGs can surmise that visitors from North America and Asia probably make a minimum of say $100 K per year. With local German men, the pay-to-play threshold is literally the price of public transit plus 50 EUR discount entry. Local German man could be as poor as a pauper or as rich as a Rothschild. Turgid, you can read Kosher Kowboy's account of how things changed once the Sharks WGs realized he was not German, but American.

I agree there is a disproportionate representation of East Asian men in FKK. At a regular Frankfurt night club where sex is not sold, they'd probably be underrepresented.

Asian men spend excessively when it comes to mongering but very frugally on food, clothes, etc.

P.p.s. Asian men frugal with food spending? Lmfao😂. As for clothes, perhaps the Chinese but not the Japanese and Koreans who are more lavish with appearances.

Walk along Zeil and Koenigsallee and you will see East Asian overrepresentation at all stores that sell luxury brands. Back at home Chinese pay hefty sales tax and import tariffs on luxury items, so they save 20% while in Europe. The idea of overspending amongst tourists because of perceived bargains is still at play. BTW, it's not just the women who want Prada, LV, and Gucci, but the men actually spend more:

https://www.marketingtochina.com/chinese-men-buy-more-luxury-goods-than-chinese-women/

Average Chinese shopper spends ten times more than a local British shopper. Funny photo of a round-eye girl almost getting trampled by Asian tourists at a shopping center in London on Boxing day:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2081473/UK-sales-Chinese-the-queue-luxury-goods.html