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ExpatLover
06-24-18, 10:19
On this Tue I have four sessions at Sharks. IMO the casting seems stronger than OASE at Mon and GT at Wien and Wellcum last week. Body is my first priority. Not optics. Elektra is a bloody body killer. So sad her services are the bad in four. She well knows how to work in club. Over a year. She worked as an escort in UK. YMMV type. Services are selective. Last year she may be fresh. She would offer me BBBJ but no DATY. This time she not offer me BBBJ due to my hygiene. No DATY is still a must even 100 E 1 HR. However, I have not such problem in past few day club. Anyway I will pay 100 E to play fun with her body and huge natural boobs in my every visit.This time she not offer me BBBJ due to my hygiene. Elektra was telling you that and you are still going to the room with her, probably you like to be treated like that but for me it is a no go forever, on top of that I had one session with her last year she is at least for me a very average girl who could also improve her personal hygiene, never repeat even she tried many times.

TeFab456
06-24-18, 11:47
Spent a long day at Sharks the other day, with ups and downs. No need to go into detail, as in general this is still (even on a slow day like when I was there) a peak experience in the German FKK landscape. Just one thing: the two best rooms I had with girls never ever mentioned here. What to conclude from that? Very simple: forget about names and recommendations. The whole idea to (I exaggerate) fly into Germany maybe from the States to find a certain girl who has had excellent write-ups here is a complete misunderstanding of how to experience a day at Sharks. The clue is to go with the flow, to observe, to be aware of the ups and downs of business, also (in my opinion) so stay sober, and to have sufficient budget to digest the occasional wasted 60 for a zimmer based on a misguided decision.

I understand that this field is very much also about anticipation and the buildup of excitement, but this is a different thing. When on location forget about everything and just be there. Sharks is still full of surprises, all the nice service is to be found without a problem.

One more general observation: there is a certain sense of urgency with many girls, as if they realised that the business model (of heydays with barely fathomable incomes) is under pressure. Which it is, clearly. The urgency is detrimental to good BJ. A zimmer can only be good if it lasts forever in 30 minutes.

Sirioja
06-24-18, 13:51
On this Tue I have four sessions at Sharks. IMO the casting seems stronger than OASE at Mon and GT at Wien and Wellcum last week. Body is my first priority. Not optics. Elektra is a bloody body killer. So sad her services are the bad in four. She well knows how to work in club. Over a year. She worked as an escort in UK. YMMV type. Services are selective. Last year she may be fresh. She would offer me BBBJ but no DATY. This time she not offer me BBBJ due to my hygiene. No DATY is still a must even 100 E 1 HR. However, I have not such problem in past few day club. Anyway I will pay 100 E to play fun with her body and huge natural boobs in my every visit.I think she changed name, not anymore Elektra? More attractive chestnut look now, less vulgar look than when she was fake blond. Reading You, I understand now better her: bad guy, if Aylin told her about our rooms, 2 on our first time, and Aylin knows me from her friend Liz. De, my Summer 2013 at GT GF who returned to me so many times since then. Both real woman for sex, even Aylin couldn't follow sporty level on third room.

Very big tits for ex Elektra. Dilek was also seen, and some other quite big tits at the moment at Sharks. No Brenda seen.

Even crowded on Saturday night, even after match, even 15 mn to wait for rooms upstairs, but many girls free.

After 1 am, quite dead.

Blond Kim. Ro was a good surprise, telling me at the end she finds me pretty and I was her first Sharks client? So her first YamaYama. I answered her: usually guys find girls pretty. She answered: Yes, but I can also. Very honest in room, friend with new Cosmina.

Amanda. Hu who was super GFE before room, was not on same level in bed. Most of Hungarians are not on Romanians GFE level.

What a great GFE illusion on Friday afternoon when I arrived after more than 7 hours nightmare driving, smiles, breakfast together, third room together after last week end. Later she proposed me to have diner together at 5 pm, but too early for me, unfortunately last room with the top class of the club, Katalina now at Globe, level. It was my pleasure, I drive for this level, I returned for her. Best for her far from FKK land, she didn't want to work for 50 or even 100, but never upsell for our 3 1 h 100 rooms. Really enjoyable top class woman type, 25 yo.

Have to create a new Eve, she was too short time.

ExpatLover
06-24-18, 13:52
Spent a long day at Sharks the other day, with ups and downs. No need to go into detail, as in general this is still (even on a slow day like when I was there) a peak experience in the German FKK landscape. Just one thing: the two best rooms I had with girls never ever mentioned here. What to conclude from that? Very simple: forget about names and recommendations. The whole idea to (I exaggerate) fly into Germany maybe from the States to find a certain girl who has had excellent write-ups here is a complete misunderstanding of how to experience a day at Sharks. The clue is to go with the flow, to observe, to be aware of the ups and downs of business, also (in my opinion) so stay sober, and to have sufficient budget to digest the occasional wasted 60 for a zimmer based on a misguided decision.

I understand that this field is very much also about anticipation and the buildup of excitement, but this is a different thing. When on location forget about everything and just be there. Sharks is still full of surprises, all the nice service is to be found without a problem.

One more general observation: there is a certain sense of urgency with many girls, as if they realised that the business model (of heydays with barely fathomable incomes) is under pressure. Which it is, clearly. The urgency is detrimental to good BJ. A zimmer can only be good if it lasts forever in 30 minutes.How many times in this forum I wrote about that it is useless to report about girls just because chemistry between people is the key to get a great session, nice to see that you have already experienced the same.

Kosher Kowboy
06-24-18, 14:57
Very simple: forget about names and recommendations. The whole idea to (I exaggerate) fly into Germany maybe from the States to find a certain girl who has had excellent write-ups here is a complete misunderstanding of how to experience a day at Sharks. The clue is to go with the flow
.That is how I have always rolled, I like to hunt with my own eyes and ears but I do keep in back of my mind things I have read but I also take much of that (more so on USA reviews) with a grain of salt as often there is embellishment and no one no matter how seasoned a reviewer they are can review the YMMV factor as that can only be figured out in your ' interview/session. ' So I like to hunt, be hunted on my own and have an 'assess my YMMV / odds of appointment enjoyment' to my specs in person.

I see reviews more as a guide to assist me in my own hunting as opposed to a guide of how to hunt. For me Mandy was an exception as all her reviews were written by guys from all over the world, locals, guys who want long appts and short 50's as well as the kitchen sink. I figured with that (and all the PMs that flew in) she had to be good and all the hooplah was correct. But in general, 99 times out of 100 I will find my own. I agree esp comings from the USA that I will not show up with a ' list' generated from the ISG or any internet site to choose from, my eyes and ears do that.

I am with you, Sharks or any club.

I might also add if you read FKK reviews on other boards in other languages you will notice a variance in the women reviewed. The locals always know the girls the best so I will cross reference girls of interest and see what the locals say if anything but mainly I hunt. I do the same thing here too if a girl visits Austin I go see what her hometown locals have to say, they know her best. Part of my hunting is to see how often she is fucking and who; for my style mongering the ones I will go with are the ones churning out the Turks and Germans pulling high volume but not rushing meaning I'll approximate the time from ' up the stairs to down the stairs' to determine if I think she rushed them.

Reviews are great and give you pointers but there is no better tool than your eyes, your ears and your gut to make your actual decision.

Whatever works, as long as we are happy.

Smoke Light
06-24-18, 15:42
That is how I have always rolled, I like to hunt with my own eyes and ears but I do keep in back of my mind things I have read but I also take much of that (more so on USA reviews) with a grain of salt as often there is embellishment and no one no matter how seasoned a reviewer they are can review the YMMV factor as that can only be figured out in your ' interview/session. ' So I like to hunt, be hunted on my own and have an 'assess my YMMV / odds of appointment enjoyment' to my specs in person.

I see reviews more as a guide to assist me in my own hunting as opposed to a guide of how to hunt. For me Mandy was an exception as all her reviews were written by guys from all over the world, locals, guys who want long appts and short 50's as well as the kitchen sink. I figured with that (and all the PMs that flew in) she had to be good and all the hooplah was correct. But in general, 99 times out of 100 I will find my own. I agree esp comings from the USA that I will not show up with a ' list' generated from the ISG or any internet site to choose from, my eyes and ears do that.

I am with you, Sharks or any club..KK and colleagues.

Are there any good Turkish review boards to read and learn from?

ExpatLover
06-24-18, 16:20
That is how I have always rolled, I like to hunt with my own eyes and ears but I do keep in back of my mind things I have read but I also take much of that (more so on USA reviews) with a grain of salt as often there is embellishment and no one no matter how seasoned a reviewer they are can review the YMMV factor as that can only be figured out in your ' interview/session. ' So I like to hunt, be hunted on my own and have an 'assess my YMMV / odds of appointment enjoyment' to my specs in person.

I see reviews more as a guide to assist me in my own hunting as opposed to a guide of how to hunt. For me Mandy was an exception as all her reviews were written by guys from all over the world, locals, guys who want long appts and short 50's as well as the kitchen sink. I figured with that (and all the PMs that flew in) she had to be good and all the hooplah was correct. But in general, 99 times out of 100 I will find my own. I agree esp comings from the USA that I will not show up with a ' list' generated from the ISG or any internet site to choose from, my eyes and ears do that.

I am with you, Sharks or any club..You are a great guy looking into AO specially in Dietz I am quite sure that Mandy never provide it to you.

PussyTamer
06-24-18, 17:57
This was my last week experience on a lingerie night on Tuesday (June 19th) at Sharks.

Same ritual, from the T1 of am Main, rented the car and went straight to the Sharks, it was about 5 pm. 65 Eur at the entrance and straight to the shower.

After skipping the indoor part, I jumped to the outdoor and got few meats cooked on the barbecue, poor quality but the taste was not that bad.

Now let's get straight to the main topic: the real meat.

Outdoor only 10/12 girls were hanging around and sadly I have to say the quality was really low 6/10, perhaps for my taste and comparing to my previous experience. (been in Shark and other FKK more than 30 times).

After chilling a bit on the beach chair I finally decided to get inside hopefully to find some quality. The result didn't change, 7/10 faces were the same as the last time I was there (early February) and while I was walking around to find my gem Sabine eventually I found a group of new faces all hidden behind the pole facing the aquarium.

Still not satisfied, I sat in front of the door that brings the girls to the shower, personally the best position so see everything.

Sabine was busy with a group of the 2/3 people ordering bottles of champagnes while dancing all the time on the pole.

Just a few minutes later, an amazing body with a massive rack come outside the shower, a Greek girl. I'm sorry but can't recall the name, should start with "K", perhaps Kalie? Kaly? But according to her there are only 2 Greeks working there. Big boned but not fat nor chubby, amazing huge natural tits, definitely F cup.

Approached her, short chat but she seemed to be still tired after the last 2 hours room she had, she would come back after 10 minutes and she eventually did. No agreements done as I was really interested to try her and we went straight to the room. She really loves to get fucked as well as handling nasty conversation. Started with a BBBJ while I was touching her massive boobs, not impressed on her performance but hey, who cares? I'm just a huge boobs lover. She kept saying she wanted to be banged and so I did, switched the position to a nice doggy while squeezing her mammillas. Asked for a missionary and pleased right away and while still talking to me with nasty words I asked her to let me finish with her hands. After a couple of minutes I exploded my liquid all over her wrist and arms. We had a small chat and she said she loves money and sex, well, she is at the right time in the right place.

Damage 100 E.

Time 45 minutes.

Will repeat? Yes.

After an hour, I was walking behind the pole to see the new group of the girls mentioned earlier, and found a lonely cute girl with a pony tail sitting alone. Approached her as she seemed to be bored, find out to be Roxy! Believe it or not, after 10 times in Shark and many positive reviews of her I could never had the chance to see or understand who was her. Without any hesitation I asked her to have a room despite she mentioned she was about to leave. Not going to repeat all what you guys said about her, I do confirm all the positive reviews, GF experience and really nice to talk. Had 1 hour session and would definitely repeat.

But the award goes to the last girl, I was really skeptical about her as she was sitting all the time and never seen her going with anyone, but I've got intrigued by her hug rack. Her name is Dalma, from Romania. Black hair gathered up in a bun, slightly chubby but in my opinion perfect balance as she's tall and big boned as well.

Ended up to be a very nice girl, super polite and great sense of humor. Always smiling and never mentioned anything related to money or options whatsoever. I decided to stay an hour as I was really tired after my 12 hours flight, and had one of best blowjob ever had in my past 2/3 FKK's session which include 15 girls around. Switched onto various position and ended up with a nice oily hand job.

Damage 100 are.

Time 1 H or slightly more.

Will repeat? Absolutely, although she's is leaving on June 26th and I'm planning to visit Shark on that day!!

After 6 hours spent inside, Sabine was still busy with that group mentioned above and eventually left with 3 guys and 5 girls all together for an orgy. Tired of waiting, left around 12 am very satisfied about the girls I had.

Still the quality was low, saw a couple of latinas and alias, as well as a couple of black girls. The rest were Romanians.

For the Oase's review, which I was on the next day, will post it to the other topic.

Will be again this week!

Kosher Kowboy
06-24-18, 22:02
KK and colleagues.

Are there any good Turkish review boards to read and learn from?Do not know of any Turkish boards, mainly German sites I will check out for the cross research and compare to ours. Locals don't get fucked over and although there is no guarantee Mr Tourist here will get the same simply put I do not see the guys who know the girls best pounding away at them if consistency, value and quality of service is not there. The Turks I just watch in the club as I have been told I tend to match up to their ' pick, promptly poke, promptly finish and pay and part ways' style. Of course I am sure there are exceptions to this and the above is just my style. I am happy for the guys that enjoy long appts and establishing a more genuine relationship, I am just set in my ways.

I also think some sub-forums exist on local sites with varying permission settings via their admin panels that are cloaked and invite only (we have them here too, not hard to figure it out) Some posters on those boards will see their post count go up maybe 5 in a day yet I can only see maybe 3 of them which tells me the software picked up the posts in the post count but the missing 2 posts were posted in a cloaked / hidden forum meaning invite only, possibly paid. I am sure there are great posts by many in there I can not see. At the end of the day no matter how good a forum is the only real guide to trust is our own eyes, our experiences which shape our monger careers and our gut.

McAdonis
06-24-18, 22:59
I see reviews more as a guide to assist me in my own hunting as opposed to a guide of how to hunt. For me Mandy was an exception as all her reviews were written by guys from all over the world, locals, guys who want long appts and short 50's as well as the kitchen sink. I figured with that (and all the PMs that flew in) she had to be good and all the hooplah was correct. But in general, 99 times out of 100 I will find my own. I agree esp comings from the USA that I will not show up with a ' list' generated from the ISG or any internet site to choose from, my eyes and ears do that.Only time reviews seem to matter is when it is a tie-breaker scenario. Monger likes the look of three different WGs, that he picked with his own eyes with zero input from me, but he can't decide which one to take. If I say, "I don't know anything about first two you pointed out. But that third WG, I know three people that have gone with her. And they all liked her. " Then yes, monger will actually take her. But generally, they must have some level of visual interest first, otherwise recommendation falls on deaf ears.

I believe newbies, do as you say, come in with a list of "recommended" names, but I've never known anybody to blindly go with a WG based on how recommended she is in forum. Most men seem to be optic-oriented. Newbies have asked me: "So which one is this Mandy I keep hearing about?" Then I'll point her out. Then the guy will immediately respond: "She's not my type". Or sometimes, I will be sitting next to a guy who never reads the forum and I will say: "See that one over there. She's Mandy. She has the best reviews. If you like her, you better go talk to her now. " Then guy will take a look at her. And say "She's not my type".

Smoke Light
06-24-18, 23:57
KK,

I agree turkish boys seem to have good leads on the girls and their presence in clubs is very consistent. I hear from WGs that Turkish clients often prefer strict 30-minute rooms to boost their self-esteem or something like that. And some girls wish to attract more Turks on busy nights like Friday and Saturday for making a steady flow of 50 euro notes without much pressure on DFK and DATY. Anyway, an inside into a Turkish review board would be an interesting read, if such thing exist.

Kosher Kowboy
06-25-18, 01:10
Only time reviews seem to matter is when it is a tie-breaker scenario. Monger likes the look of three different WGs, that he picked with his own eyes with zero input from me, but he can't decide which one to take. If I say, "I don't know anything about first two you pointed out. But that third WG, I know three people that have gone with her. And they all liked her. " Then yes, monger will actually take her. But generally, they must have some level of visual interest first, otherwise recommendation falls on deaf ears.

I believe newbies, do as you say, come in with a list of "recommended" names, but I've never known anybody to blindly go with a WG based on how recommended she is in forum. Most men seem to be optic-oriented. Newbies have asked me: "So which one is this Mandy I keep hearing about?" Then I'll point her out. Then the guy will immediately respond: "She's not my type". Or sometimes, I will be sitting next to a guy who never reads the forum and I will say: "See that one over there. She's Mandy. She has the best reviews. If you like her, you better go talk to her now. " Then guy will take a look at her. And say "She's not my type".I hope I am reading your reply correctly and replying accordingly, if not my apologies. I think you are right on about the newbies and ' the lists' they carry in but disagree that no guys (here at home and everywhere I have traveled) do not pick off reviews only. I have seen hundreds over the years do such. In fact the internet has made many a career and unfortunately many guys have been disapointed with their selection that fall in to that trap. However, I do agree that many guys will do just as you say they will use the names as a guide and decide to pass once a visual is had. Tons of guys in fact, you're right but I do not like to use ' always or never' as the reality always falls in the middle although it may lean left or right of the center if you bell shaped curved it. Some guys will go 100% off a review others will pass as you have correctly pointed out once they see the girl and I will also add others will pass even if the girl is on ' the list', is pretty (per your optics) as they may get a vibe service (more so my way) is not there. I am one of those guys myself. So I guess I disagree and agree with you and always think the middle ground is the reality. I do not like to use extremes on opposite ends of the spectrum, because all of us our different. We also evolve as mongers and shift within our own optics / service scale over time. The monger and monger style of myself in 1988 and in 2018 are very similar yet very different. That shift was half the fun :D

I know one guy quite well, perhaps better than others and he flies all the way to Germany from the Divided States of America and has chosen as his favorite club a place where the majority of men would consider the girls to be subhuman yet to this guy I speak of they are the Queens of all Queens. When he was 20-30 it was all optics, at 30-35 it was still optics and he knew everything or thought he did and at 35 he met a old man and thought he was stupid. Anyway, that old man called the guy a young know it all punk who knows about 1% of 1% of what mongering is all about and schooled that guy (was at the Beetle Bar in Jaco) all night long taking every girl the 35 year old wanted ahead of him. The 35 yr old missed the girl with the best service in the club (she was not the best looking) as he was only focused on optics. The 35 year old finally asked him what the hell was going on, listened and from that day on revamped his entire game plan to include a balance of beauty and service as well as tactics to beat others to the punch sometimes aiming high sometimes low balancing both optics / service perception like juggling two balls. Today that guy is almost 50 and balances all kinds of girls from ' ugly' to beautiful using the skills that old man taught him in how to pick out his hookers and walk away happy. This guy I speak of is myself. I also hope he (the older more experienced monger at the time) is resting in peace. He taught me more in those 6-7 hours that night as well as the following night than I have learned on the internet since 1992 when I joined a board that was a ' party of barking dogs' (some Yanks may know what I speak of but it is a reference to a board we can not mention even if it is no longer alive.

As to Mrs. Mandy Sharks as she seems to be a case study most can relate to here as ' we all know Mandy or of Mandy. ' You are right about her optics in the sense not all of us see her the same and you're right; several have posted or told me ' she is not all that. ' In my case the review consistency, a very low perception of YMMV (I sensed most get good sessions from reading) I combined with looks to make the decision to see her. I went with my gut. However you're right again w the visual part, I visually ' approved' her as well so spot on about guys being gung ho on a girl but passing due to looks. Tons of guys will not go off a review only, but many do and I will stand by that respectfully as we seem to differ a tad there. In Mandy's case I went crazy looking for that tattoo until I was sent some photographic intelligence and there was no question I was seeing her. I went to Sharks, found her right away as all systems were in place (had a little help) and the rest is history.

As to recommendation in clubs. I rarely listen and could give a fuck what someone I do not know well tells me (with exception) unless it is a negative and if a positive I want to hear it from a local club regular or a veteran roughly my own age simply because I relate to the older guys more but respect all. At Mainhatten a German told me ' you MUST see that girl'; I did. That was Greta. In Artemis a German told me the same and that was one memorable top notch session I wish I could find her. She told me she was from Cologne but the German told me really Leipzig that is closer to Berlin so for whatever reason she staged her hometown but he said she couldn't hide her accent. And finally in September 2017 I was dragged out of Sharks and taken to this dump about 20-30 km away. A German there told me ' pick her' and pointed to a girl sitting in back smoking. I picked her once again going off a local and that was the night I fell upon the spell of Nein Vashing and the quart of cum that leaked out of her when I pulled out at closing time.

Perhaps I went off on a tangent here but hopefully addressed your replies.

On a side note keep up the thought provoking posts. I see your style and mine (I. E. Approach vs non approach interpretations) extremely different but if it weren't for these differences we wouldn't have all these vast options. Well one thing is for sure, I do not thinking we will be jostling for position on a filthy red couch anytime soon. :D

Sorry this was so long but I am bored to death now!! Now please pick another topic so I can have something to do tonight!

And I am glad to see you enjoying yourself :D

Sirioja
06-25-18, 07:55
KK,

I agree turkish boys seem to have good leads on the girls and their presence in clubs is very consistent. I hear from WGs that Turkish clients often prefer strict 30-minute rooms to boost their self-esteem or something like that. And some girls wish to attract more Turks on busy nights like Friday and Saturday for making a steady flow of 50 euro notes without much pressure on DFK and DATY. Anyway, an inside into a Turkish review board would be an interesting read, if such thing exist.According to girls, even some are rude for sex, but they are fast cumming like Asians, and no kissing, nor foreplay. 15 mn rabbit rooms for 50.

At Sharks, Asians don t seem anymore so easy for hunting girls, maybe why girls business seem slower than before. No Evita seen, but Elen is a new Asian specialist.

No upselling for my 2 week ends and 7 rooms with 4 different girls. All girls seemed happy for 1 h for 100 , my minimum standard to take time to enjoy, with smiles after. Viorica and Kim have real will to please, Kim was so cute with her: pretty man, not only usual: nice man, girls say at the end of the room, but rather than performances, even rather than behavior to really will to please, Mandy was working and was free on this very slow Friday afternoon but I didn't run to her, compare to class and charm who gave me a so smiling welcome. I thought to let her taking breakfast with another girl, but she invited me to join her and then didn't speak anymore to the other girl. For our 3 rooms, she was not a top performer, I had to be careful not to hurt her, but she let me play my games and it worked since first room. What a classy sophisticated beauty, what blue eyes, what a smile to contemplate, what a pleasure for my mind with such princess, even not perfect but a real 25 yo Romanian woman. We never talked about money, smart girls don t speak about money because they are clever enough to know it kills GFE illusion. Too short time with her, but she is not able to work in FKK land. I thought to advice her for Globe of course, my friend telling me: Since your previous Eve, even I had great girls and a exceptional German escort, but 8 months working hard every week end to find again such class, when my previous lost all her class and charm, falling now in low level business, but this business is too difficult for her, so I didn't, when I saw her stopping her day after our room which was her first of the day, on previous Sunday and on this Friday when she didn't want to work after, waiting for diner, inviting me again, like she didn't want other guys ask her, only 100 just to pay entry, eat, sleep and wait for her plane soon. Good luck to her, thanks for dreams. I drive for such girls, more attractive for me than only performers. I make my own performances with girls, even having most often to be careful, as white African.

Brasov should be interesting to visit, not for mountains, I have mine closer, nor Dracula, but many real beauties come from there.

Turgid
06-25-18, 09:13
I believe that guys whose optic girls are not regarded as hot by the majority of blokes are lucky. Throughout my life I have viewed girls who are considered hot by the majority of men as, in fact, optics. However, I have reached the stage in my life where beauty alone does not do it for me. Also, my experience at FKKs is that the hotter the provider the worse the service generally. I much prefer to have a good performance by an average girl than a lukewarm one by a looker. Sessioning an optic means spending more money for poorer service, I'd leave such sessions for inexperienced mongers which I once was.

Optimist
06-25-18, 11:10
KK. You are right: there are no absolute truths. I have known many occasions where a guy has chosen a girl totally on the basis of reviews. But I like to think that for most of us the reviews are only a guide when we are otherwise unsure. Universal bad reviews can help when we have a bad feeling about a girl. So I go to a new club with a short list of girls who have got consistent bad reviews on the relevant German language forums. But if I have a good feeling about a girl then I will ignore bad reviews.

As for optics, again you are right. Whilst my tastes are not so catholic as yours, what counts is how I feel about a girl, as much as looks. One time I had been waiting for a totally beautiful girl to become free all day, model height, confidence, beautiful body. But when she finally came over to me (I rarely take the initiative) I rejected her, and immediately went with a 5 foot podgy mother who turned out to be my wildest fuck ever. The model looked at me daggers drawn and my favourite girl was furious "I cannot believe you went with THAT!

Sometimes though a high optic gives stellar service. One can't put down hard and fast rules.On my first FKK visit, to Atlantis, I chose purely on optics, and it wasn't until my fifth visit that I had a bad session but now it is a much harder game to play

The most useful acronym here is YMMV.

McAdonis. I am one of those Mandy refusniks you mention. Maybe it was because I had had a bad day dealing with the Precious Princesses at Sharks, but I felt sour and declined, thinking she was not my type. I know I missed a great worker but I think my mood would have subtracted something from her work. I used the "not my type" rationale to avoid admitting at the time my sour mood

ExpatLover
06-25-18, 13:21
KK. You are right: there are no absolute truths. I have known many occasions where a guy has chosen a girl totally on the basis of reviews. But I like to think that for most of us the reviews are only a guide when we are otherwise unsure. Universal bad reviews can help when we have a bad feeling about a girl. So I go to a new club with a short list of girls who have got consistent bad reviews on the relevant German language forums. But if I have a good feeling about a girl then I will ignore bad reviews.

As for optics, again you are right. Whilst my tastes are not so catholic as yours, what counts is how I feel about a girl, as much as looks. One time I had been waiting for a totally beautiful girl to become free all day, model height, confidence, beautiful body. But when she finally came over to me (I rarely take the initiative) I rejected her, and immediately went with a 5 foot podgy mother who turned out to be my wildest fuck ever. The model looked at me daggers drawn and my favourite girl was furious "I cannot believe you went with THAT!

Sometimes though a high optic gives stellar service. One can't put down hard and fast rules.On my first FKK visit, to Atlantis, I chose purely on optics, and it wasn't until my fifth visit that I had a bad session but now it is a much harder game to play

The most useful acronym here is YMMV.

McAdonis. I am one of those Mandy refusniks you mention. Maybe it was because I had had a bad day dealing with the Precious Princesses at Sharks, but I felt sour and declined, thinking she was not my type. I know I missed a great worker but I think my mood would have subtracted something from her work. I used the "not my type" rationale to avoid admitting at the time my sour moodPrincesses of what of the bitches, are you willing that some of your female family member will be consider as the princess of Shark, who can remember the name of the princess of World, or Samya or Shark in 2013, just 5 years back.

Member #4581
06-25-18, 15:50
Personal mood swings can influence the choices we make in the clubs -- usually not in a positive way.

One time, I had a pretty negative session with a girl, something which made me go to the front desk for the only time in my life. Needless to say, I was miffed and stewing for a while after that. To "show her", I quickly did two successive sessions with girls who were somewhat borderline for me and who I would not have taken otherwise. Clearly, those sessions did little to improve my sourness.

Another time, a stock I owned jumped up big time in after hours in the US equity market. It was night time and I was in Sharks when I checked the quote. I was suddenly in the money by a lot, rather unexpectedly. To celebrate it, I decided to splurge by taking a session with a girl who I normally would not take. Now, did this make any sense? No! First of all, just going to FKK and having any session with any girl is a splurge. But I had taken the rather dumb view that somehow fucking the girls I normally fuck is part of my routine, something I already budgeted for; and I felt that I should use the unexpected windfall to use on a girl that I would not take normally.

In the end, it was a wasted session, and the bonus I wanted to give myself with my ill gotten gain turned into rubbish due to an irrational decision.

It pays to have a Zen mindset. Practice meditation perhaps and do some yoga? It has been a long time I can even see my toes standing straight, let alone being able to bend down and touch them. I guess that rules out Yoga for me.

Optimist
06-25-18, 18:09
Jnpr30. You are right. Best not to get attached to any bad experiences. Once a girl in a club asked me to teach her Zen meditation!. Not what I go to FKK for lol

BTW. Thank you for your very honest recent report on Sharks.

Kosher Kowboy
06-25-18, 18:12
I believe that guys whose optic girls are not regarded as hot by the majority of blokes are lucky. Throughout my life I have viewed girls who are considered hot by the majority of men as, in fact, optics. However, I have reached the stage in my life where beauty alone does not do it for me. Also, my experience at FKKs is that the hotter the provider the worse the service generally. I much prefer to have a good performance by an average girl than a lukewarm one by a looker. Sessioning an optic means spending more money for poorer service, I'd leave such sessions for inexperienced mongers which I once was.I am 15 years behind you I think you been doing this 45 years from another post but I reached the very stage you speak of several years ago. I fucked my share of beauties a million times over when I was a younger monger and you are right over the long run service levels lessen as looks go up. This does not mean that a hottie will give a poor session nor that a ugly will give a great one rather if you have thousands of hookers over many decades this trend will be more likely be noticed than unnoticed. If you told me that 15 years ago when 35 I would have laughed but today 15 years later in the other direction I agree 100 percent and with Optimist's post as well.




Another time, a stock I owned jumped up big time in after hours in the US equity market. It was night time and I was in Sharks when I checked the quote. I was suddenly in the money by a lot, rather unexpectedly. To celebrate it, I decided to splurge by taking a session with a girl who I normally would not take. Now, did this make any sense? No! Makes sense to me :D

It is good I am headed there soon as for some reason in my trips over the last two years the market rallied hard about 75% of the time but than again we have been a roaring bull. Looks like a bear is staring at me in the face now for this trip. I usually check at about 4 PM over there as it is 10 AM in NYC and the market has had its opening and some trading time. Those overnight calls are risky, it is movement on extremely low volume which can get wiped out and a lot of that pre-market trading is movement without traders yet seeing where the Japanese, Chinese and European mainly the FTSE and the DAX settle at or how they perform. I got smoked out of the water much more than I won playing overnight. I stopped playing all together and just let it ride under the thought of ' it is not about timing the market it is about time in the market'; in the long run you win even with the down times as the bull's roar is much louder than the bear's stomp.

Sirioja
06-25-18, 20:31
I believe that guys whose optic girls are not regarded as hot by the majority of blokes are lucky. Throughout my life I have viewed girls who are considered hot by the majority of men as, in fact, optics. However, I have reached the stage in my life where beauty alone does not do it for me. Also, my experience at FKKs is that the hotter the provider the worse the service generally. I much prefer to have a good performance by an average girl than a lukewarm one by a looker. Sessioning an optic means spending more money for poorer service, I'd leave such sessions for inexperienced mongers which I once was.Real beauties with sophisticated classy look are often not so busy, because common guys think they will not give good services, treating them like shit, just self esteem and self confidence problem, but for my experiences, the prettiest are the best in bed for my mind.

On 2 last week ends at Sharks, starting about 12 June, a new girl was so far higher all the others for her class and charm, just had to look at her shoes to understand, so different than the others, sitting not hunting, she didn't like FKK business, but I didn't see guys running to her, so it was very good for me, she did welcome me, I was her only client on Sunday 17 and Friday 22 June, a dreamed Eve. Too classy for FKK.

All the best for her, elsewhere, I was honored to have 3 rooms with her, even not a performer, but I would have liked to have more time with her and to create my new Eve.

Beauty and class make me dream.

McAdonis
06-25-18, 22:16
KK, I believe you and Turgid reach a level of nirvana that all hardcore mongers should strive for. I suspect both of you would find 75 percent of the LU visually acceptable. So for you two it is just a matter of finding someone who passes the interview, correct? I've met some local German and Dutch mongers who have reached this level. They told me exactly as you say "When I first started, I was like you. I only cared about optics.".

With regards to reaching this nirvana, I think race, years of experience, and whether the monger is a fly-in tourist plays a factor. For example, all the fly-in Asian mongers that I've talked to, only seem to find between 5 percent and 25 percent visually acceptable. Although one older local Asian gentleman that regularly attends Sharks is all about service. White fly-in tourists seem to be picky as well, but generally have a wider spec.

Kosher Kowboy
06-26-18, 01:27
KK, I believe you and Turgid reach a level of nirvana that all hardcore mongers should strive for. I suspect both of you would find 75 percent of the LU visually acceptable. So for you two it is just a matter of finding someone who passes the interview, correct? I've met some local German and Dutch mongers who have reached this level. They told me exactly as you say "When I first started, I was like you. I only cared about optics.".
.75 percent in the mainstream clubs, 95 percent up the road :D

Yes, that is a very good guess at a number for myself and probably one of the reasons why I lick my chops when I read ' the LU is not great' as I know it is probably less crowded, a buyers market and I am happy without the top percentile of girls there and Sharks Garbage would be a pot of gold in Austin TX. I love midweek mainstream club visits and getting there early. The pickings are great for my standards. Usually there are hotties always there and pigs as well and all in between so I will never have an issue finding a girl in any club. I am a service guy and I have no issue bagging up the low hanging fruits as long as they are in that 75 percent. I think that is a good ballpark number.

As long as they pass the interview you refer to.

As to mongering 'Nirvana' I think it can be reached at any age. It is all about finding out what works for you and always adjusting accordingly over the years and if one can do that they will permanently be in hobby nirvana but it is different for all of us. For me it was the acceptance I was nothing more than money to them. My times have been a helluva lot more fun ever since.

ExpatLover
06-26-18, 04:15
KK, I believe you and Turgid reach a level of nirvana that all hardcore mongers should strive for. I suspect both of you would find 75 percent of the LU visually acceptable. So for you two it is just a matter of finding someone who passes the interview, correct? I've met some local German and Dutch mongers who have reached this level. They told me exactly as you say "When I first started, I was like you. I only cared about optics.".

With regards to reaching this nirvana, I think race, years of experience, and whether the monger is a fly-in tourist plays a factor. For example, all the fly-in Asian mongers that I've talked to, only seem to find between 5 percent and 25 percent visually acceptable. Although one older local Asian gentleman that regularly attends Sharks is all about service. White fly-in tourists seem to be picky as well, but generally have a wider spec.You can also have a different approach, in 15 years I sessioned more than 600 girls including 100 escorts with a lot of ON and several days together. My level of expectation are getting higher and higher and I only will select top girls even I will leave the club without any room or refuse to go the the room with a escort if she doesn't fulfil my expectations.

Why should I spend my time and money with average girls, sex is always very mechanical and the beauty is what matters for me. Why should I leave in a poor apartment if I can afford a villa, why driving a Korean car if can drive a Mercedes and son on.

For me in Shark there are only 3 girls I will go with, all the others are ugly for my eyes, the girl must have a beautiful face, very nice and soft skin and not looking and behaving like a *****.

Turgid
06-26-18, 13:13
Real beauties with sophisticated classy look are often not so busy, because common guys think they will not give good services, treating them like shit, just self esteem and self confidence problem, but for my experiences, the prettiest are the best in bed for my mind.

On 2 last week ends at Sharks, starting about 12 June, a new girl was so far higher all the others for her class and charm, just had to look at her shoes to understand, so different than the others, sitting not hunting, she didn't like FKK business, but I didn't see guys running to her, so it was very good for me, she did welcome me, I was her only client on Sunday 17 and Friday 22 June, a dreamed Eve. Too classy for FKK.

All the best for her, elsewhere, I was honored to have 3 rooms with her, even not a performer, but I would have liked to have more time with her and to create my new Eve.

Beauty and class make me dream.What I have gathered from your posts is that just being with a beauty is a good session for you. You are a die hard romantist so just soaking in her 'essence' is a thrill. I am a down to earth libertine. I must bang hard in all conceivable positions with commensurate enthusiasm from my date. Obviously I will be disappointed in FKK but what is a guy who likes European dames to do? Especially now that the choice of non-Eastern European dolls is non-existent? Furthermore the existing crop is spoilt by the influx of 3-1-3-3 foreigners (3 inches, 1 position, 3 minutes, 300 euros) (300 e being an exaggeration in some cases). The Romanian providers being astute business women will gravitate towards their custom and are to be totally commended. However, what is to become of the monger who desires enjoyable coitus? Latin America, anyone?

ExpatLover
06-26-18, 16:19
What I have gathered from your posts is that just being with a beauty is a good session for you. You are a die hard romantist so just soaking in her 'essence' is a thrill. I am a down to earth libertine. I must bang hard in all conceivable positions with commensurate enthusiasm from my date. Obviously I will be disappointed in FKK but what is a guy who likes European dames to do? Especially now that the choice of non-Eastern European dolls is non-existent? Furthermore the existing crop is spoilt by the influx of 3-1-3-3 foreigners (3 inches, 1 position, 3 minutes, 300 euros) (300 e being an exaggeration in some cases). The Romanian providers being astute business women will gravitate towards their custom and are to be totally commended. However, what is to become of the monger who desires enjoyable coitus? Latin America, anyone?Why do you need to bang hard, you should speak with your psychiatrist about this. The normal man just want to be with a girl and have fun with her.

Sirioja
06-26-18, 22:17
What I have gathered from your posts is that just being with a beauty is a good session for you. You are a die hard romantist so just soaking in her 'essence' is a thrill. I am a down to earth libertine. I must bang hard in all conceivable positions with commensurate enthusiasm from my date. Obviously I will be disappointed in FKK but what is a guy who likes European dames to do? Especially now that the choice of non-Eastern European dolls is non-existent? Furthermore the existing crop is spoilt by the influx of 3-1-3-3 foreigners (3 inches, 1 position, 3 minutes, 300 euros) (300 e being an exaggeration in some cases). The Romanian providers being astute business women will gravitate towards their custom and are to be totally commended. However, what is to become of the monger who desires enjoyable coitus? Latin America, anyone?You don't know me, but yes, I like to dream, not only with girls, so I try to achieve exceptional things, most would never be able to do. About girls, I m not attracted by GND, I don't like vulgar hunter, when at Globe they ask us if we had a wow experience, I look for wow look girls. Very difficult for me to find real beauties, which is first step for attraction for me, I don't like when GND come and touch me, when I found a beauty, then I will try to work to build her for my tastes, if she is woman enough. I don't beg to be sucked with girls, I do the job and wait if she wants to give me back. When you make cum girls, not only porn moaning, some say thank you, and most will to please you back. Most enjoyable for me is to get from girls without needing to ask. When I succeed to find a sensual GFE beauty, then I go only for her, because not many. I worked every week end for 8 months to find a new Eve, had 3 rooms with her, even she was not motivated to have sex for FKK rate, she had only 1 room with me on Sunday 17 and Friday 22 June and stopped to work. It was too short time at Sharks with her, but when I was looking at her blue eyes, smile, dark hard nipples, she was really a wow girl. Just a dream, but I drive for this, only looking for this, sex with GND is so boring.

Takedown
06-27-18, 02:18
KK, I believe you and Turgid reach a level of nirvana that all hardcore mongers should strive for. This seems to me to be the equivalent of civilian me saying, "If I like fat chicks, I would be in heaven."

It would be nice to be able to make optics less of a priority but I'm not going to go out of my way to do it. At my 35 year old stage, I find it more rewarding to just find a more diversified taste. That means if a tall, barbie blonde with big tits is my ideal spec, finding the beauty in an exotic, petite Turkish girl could be rewarding. Finding beauty in a chubby girl with a cute face that provides great service? Not my thing. That's exactly why I've never gone with Mandy.

I don't think anyone is explicitly saying it, but I think it would be incorrect to say that an optics minded monger settles for poor service. The game is to find the highest optic provider who provides exceptional service. The biggest negative I find with this is that by mathematical logic, you would have to repeat somewhat regularly limiting the number of girls you can experience in your mongering career.

MyTwoInches
06-27-18, 02:38
This is a good report. A bit too long, but that's acceptable.

A few things:

Viorica does give good service. I think I said the same thing here before.

Raissa Oase. Yes, she provides rim jobs. As do many others. My regulars do it for free, but I take long sessions.

A few of the names in your list do provide BBFS. Will not name names.

Steffi is boring. I can't see why guys think she is pretty. Ordinary GND face.

NAya is a Fox. I love butt fucking her.

Finally, you should be posting reviews under club threads. Not in Lounge. Your choice however.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=2195394#post2195394.

Turgid
06-27-18, 10:25
......I don't think anyone is explicitly saying it, but I think it would be incorrect to say that an optics minded monger settles for poor service.....Think again. As a reminder here is an excerpt from a post by Ultrahappy in the Oase thread:"I remember one time, when she hadn't been at Oase so long, I tried to explain to a group of Chinese guys I was chatting with that it probably made sense to avoid her due to her bad service. Then, one of the Chinese guys promptly ran off to the room with her. One of the Chinese guys explained to me, "You see, it doesn't matter how bad she is. We don't get to fuck girls that look like that in China. It's worth it just for the experience of being able to fuck her -- no matter how bad the service is. ".

Pistons
06-27-18, 11:37
With regards to reaching this nirvana, I think race, years of experience, and whether the monger is a fly-in tourist plays a factor. For example, all the fly-in Asian mongers that I've talked to, only seem to find between 5 percent and 25 percent visually acceptable. Although one older local Asian gentleman that regularly attends Sharks is all about service. White fly-in tourists seem to be picky as well, but generally have a wider spec.Definitely. Not to mention culture. Seen some videos on youtube about how westerners perception of beauty also changes after moving to China. In China, slim is almost everything it seems. And a V-shaped face. The cute kink is there also, same as in Japan, but it seems to be different than an american / Europeans taste in cuteness. While an american friend of mine who is slightly chubby and mongers in Asia all the time picks slightly chubby girls 4 out of 5 times. He has the money for anyone and picks anything. But he says he would take cute ahead of pretty any time, any day. And the slightly chubby ones have more fat than Mandy, which I feel is inside my acceptable range, although I haven't seen her in awhile now.

Beauty standards around the world:

https://youtu.be/UwD_dLtwiM8

Not really accurate since they have combined eastern Europe into one and western Europe into one. I do feel like they hit the mark on western Europe though. And out of the 7 options, it would clearly be my choice. No idea what's up with the american look there. I would rate her a 5 at maximum! Too much beyonce for me.

If you are from any of the other countries, do you feel it has hit the marks? I suspect it could be off on most of eastern Europe and perhaps north America.

Takedown
06-27-18, 14:16
Think again. As a reminder here is an excerpt from a post by Ultrahappy in the Oase thread:"I remember one time, when she hadn't been at Oase so long, I tried to explain to a group of Chinese guys I was chatting with that it probably made sense to avoid her due to her bad service. Then, one of the Chinese guys promptly ran off to the room with her. One of the Chinese guys explained to me, "You see, it doesn't matter how bad she is. We don't get to fuck girls that look like that in China. It's worth it just for the experience of being able to fuck her -- no matter how bad the service is. ".Ah, let me correct myself to cover all technicalities. This is the internet and all.

"I don't think anyone is explicitly saying that optics minded mongers HAVE TO sacrifice service for optics."

Turgid
06-27-18, 20:59
Did you guys see how the Romanians were rooting for the Koreans in the Germany vs Korea world cup soccer match? They were jumping, shouting and cheering when Korea scored and eventually won the match. I was watching it in the bar area. BTW it was a sausage fest in Sharks today. Its a sellers' market. Recently most days at FKKs are more men than women.

McAdonis
06-27-18, 21:22
Its a sellers' market. Recently most days at FKKs are more men than women.At least on the days that Germany played, married men and men with GFs had an excuse to have a boys night out. Probably more common with the local immigrant men, since their significant other wouldn't care about how well DE plays.

JennyKk
06-27-18, 21:23
Did you guys see how the Romanians were rooting for the Koreans in the Germany vs Korea world cup soccer match? They were jumping, shouting and cheering when Korea scored and eventually won the match. I was watching it in the bar area. BTW it was a sausage fest in Sharks today. Its a sellers' market. Recently most days at FKKs are more men than women.Germans must be so pissed. LOL.

McAdonis
06-27-18, 21:47
Beauty standards around the world:

https://youtu.be/UwD_dLtwiM8Video explicitly states that they surveyed photo retouchers around the world. Presumably the type of people who would work for modeling publications. The core audience would be women.

With fly-in mongers, it is completely different. If they are fly-in sex tourists (and not in DE for business), then they actively made a decision to come to DE to monger. They probably have a strong preference for white European women. I normally survey a lot of fly-in mongers because I want to know about Thailand, Brazil or other venues. With fly-in Asians, it seems 50 percent of the time, they will say something along the lines of "I don't like Asian girls. Or I only like the mixed ones". With fly-in Whites, that figure might be 25 percent. That can't be true of the general population, because from what I understand, sex scene in Thailand is filled with Whites, Chinese, Japanese mongers. Meaning the men who fly-in to visit FKK may not necessarily reflect the tastes of men from their home country.

Sirioja
06-27-18, 21:50
Did you guys see how the Romanians were rooting for the Koreans in the Germany vs Korea world cup soccer match? They were jumping, shouting and cheering when Korea scored and eventually won the match. I was watching it in the bar area. BTW it was a sausage fest in Sharks today. Its a sellers' market. Recently most days at FKKs are more men than women.On last Friday and week end before, slow business at Sharks, really no problem to get girls. Top class one was not busy, but she didn't want to have sex for club rate.

German team need a new boss like Beckenbauer or Matthaus, and a new Gerd Muller, too unefficient.

McAdonis
06-27-18, 21:54
I don't think anyone is explicitly saying it, but I think it would be incorrect to say that an optics minded monger settles for poor service. The game is to find the highest optic provider who provides exceptional service. The biggest negative I find with this is that by mathematical logic, you would have to repeat somewhat regularly limiting the number of girls you can experience in your mongering career.For sure there are men who seek high optics and high services. But you somewhat alluded to the problem. If there are only two WGs in the entire club that you are willing to consider, then you can't really shop around for a better deal. So that means if the WG stands her ground, you are forced to agree to her terms, because you have no other viable options.

Sirioja
06-27-18, 22:02
Ah, let me correct myself to cover all technicalities. This is the internet and all.

"I don't think anyone is explicitly saying that optics minded mongers HAVE TO sacrifice service for optics."Why to pay to fuck a girl who is not attractive for look? What can be the pleasure with a GND? Only fucking her? Or gossiping?

Even difficult to find, but I prefer to pay for beauties, and I always thought, most of time, we make girls becoming good for us, from our behavior.

Der Auslander
06-27-18, 23:16
BTW it was a sausage fest in Sharks today. Its a sellers' market. Recently most days at FKKs are more men than women.Not good! I was planning on visiting Sharks this weekend but I hate it when its gets too busy and hate it even more when the male patrons vastly outnumber the female entrepreneurs!

Pistons
06-28-18, 01:04
Video explicitly states that they surveyed photo retouchers around the world. Presumably the type of people who would work for modeling publications. The core audience would be women.

With fly-in mongers, it is completely different. If they are fly-in sex tourists (and not in DE for business), then they actively made a decision to come to DE to monger. They probably have a strong preference for white European women. I normally survey a lot of fly-in mongers because I want to know about Thailand, Brazil or other venues. With fly-in Asians, it seems 50 percent of the time, they will say something along the lines of "I don't like Asian girls. Or I only like the mixed ones". With fly-in Whites, that figure might be 25 percent. That can't be true of the general population, because from what I understand, sex scene in Thailand is filled with Whites, Chinese, Japanese mongers. Meaning the men who fly-in to visit FKK may not necessarily reflect the tastes of men from their home country.Maybe. And maybe they have a different story to tell two months later once they have checked in to their pattaya Airbnb flat.

Non-white fly-in tourists may feel less of an obligation to make excuses for fucking their own cousins (as a moldavian man I met once framed it). While fly-in asian tourists may feel a stronger obligation to go interracial due to concerns rooted in social norms.

If you are a white in asia, if you meet certain people, you need to excuse yourself all the time by claiming you are there for the culture or the beatches, and not the bitches (LOL). But if you meet an asian monger, you might need to use another tactic, saying that you are there because your cousins in europe interest you less, and so you are there for the bitches, and not the beatches.

In the end, I guess 50% and even 25% are probably high numbers from the get go. Every country on earth probably have good pussy. Even the least interesting country in the world for girls can possibly surprise. But a more believable story to tell would be that you are looking for change due to your polygamous nature.

Pistons
06-28-18, 01:10
For sure there are men who seek high optics and high services. But you somewhat alluded to the problem. If there are only two WGs in the entire club that you are willing to consider, then you can't really shop around for a better deal. So that means if the WG stands her ground, you are forced to agree to her terms, because you have no other viable options.True, but this is when you just pick girl #8 in the club randomly while having girl #1 and #2 watch you while walking to the room. And then skip the club for 6 months afterwards.

Takedown
06-28-18, 01:21
For sure there are men who seek high optics and high services. But you somewhat alluded to the problem. If there are only two WGs in the entire club that you are willing to consider, then you can't really shop around for a better deal. So that means if the WG stands her ground, you are forced to agree to her terms, because you have no other viable options.It's a possible problem if there were only 2 girls, or for guys who need to try lots and lots of new girls. For me, in large clubs with 75+ girls, the number of girls who meet the minimum optics bar is 6-10. At smaller clubs with 40+ girls, that number is usually 3-5. Factoring in girls that aren't working that day or are on holiday, that leaves me with plenty of options to not have to agree to a girl's terms, at least not on a regular basis.

The big issue I definitely see with high optic and service standards is the number of new girls to try. A friend tells me that he tried over 50 new girls last year in a little less than 100 club days. In comparison, I tried 12-15 new girls in under 50 visits. If I was an every weekend guy, there may not be enough girls. But as long as you restrict yourself to just Sharks and Oase, the 4-6 trip per year mongers or even a monthly monger, that should be enough women to choose from while not having to compromise service expectations.

Akibono
06-28-18, 03:07
Think again. As a reminder here is an excerpt from a post by Ultrahappy in the Oase thread:"I remember one time, when she hadn't been at Oase so long, I tried to explain to a group of Chinese guys I was chatting with that it probably made sense to avoid her due to her bad service. Then, one of the Chinese guys promptly ran off to the room with her. One of the Chinese guys explained to me, "You see, it doesn't matter how bad she is. We don't get to fuck girls that look like that in China. It's worth it just for the experience of being able to fuck her -- no matter how bad the service is. ".That is called a fetish. Fetishes get old pretty quickly after you have scratched the itch. They fall under the category of fantasy. Most guys like to try girls that are different than what they normally have access to.

Takedown
06-28-18, 03:37
But as long as you restrict yourself to just Sharks and Oase, the 4-6 trip per year mongers or even a monthly monger, that should be enough women to choose from while not having to compromise service expectations.As long as you don’t restrict yourself to just Sharks and Oase.

Sirioja
06-28-18, 08:08
For sure there are men who seek high optics and high services. But you somewhat alluded to the problem. If there are only two WGs in the entire club that you are willing to consider, then you can't really shop around for a better deal. So that means if the WG stands her ground, you are forced to agree to her terms, because you have no other viable options.Beauties are rare for my eyes, in whole FKK land, so when I find only 1, I'm happy and motivated to work hard with her, like I did on 2 last week ends at Sharks. She was perfect for me: Classy, sophisticated, charming, good manners, not hunting, but she doesn't want to keep on working in FKK. I would have been happy to have her for only girl for my weekly visits, trying to build her to become great for me, like I did at LR. I m used to make girls will to improve for me and repeat. Best for my mind, because closest to real.

Unfortunately, she was not motivated to work for cheap rate, but we had 3 1 h 100 rooms, her first and single rooms on a Sunday and Friday because she didn't want to work after. Rare woman type. 25 yo Romanian, brunette with wonderful blue eyes.

Creature2
06-28-18, 09:30
How is the outdoor facilities in Sharks? And do the girls also come to sunbath naked to the swimming pool, like they do in Oase? Swimming pool seems much smaller than the one in Oase.

Are there any "Dessous-Tag" in Sharks?

I will have a whole Thursday, but in Oase, Thursday is Dessous-Tag which I don't like.

My last times in Sharks were many years ago and it was always on winter time, so I don't recall the outdoor.

FunExplorer
06-28-18, 10:39
How is the outdoor facilities in Sharks? And do the girls also come to sunbath naked to the swimming pool, like they do in Oase? Swimming pool seems much smaller than the one in Oase.

Are there any "Dessous-Tag" in Sharks?

I will have a whole Thursday, but in Oase, Thursday is Dessous-Tag which I don't like.

My last times in Sharks were many years ago and it was always on winter time, so I don't recall the outdoor.Yes to your first question.

Yes Tuesday to second question.

Kuni042
06-28-18, 11:02
Tuesday is Dessous-Tag at Sharks. And I don't like it either. BTW: I was at Sharks yesterday. And the line-up was pretty poor. So many fake boobs. Also no new stunners. Also only 3 (not so pretty) germans- which were either fat, old, or ugly (I don't like those blown up lips, yikes).


How is the outdoor facilities in Sharks? And do the girls also come to sunbath naked to the swimming pool, like they do in Oase? Swimming pool seems much smaller than the one in Oase.

Are there any "Dessous-Tag" in Sharks?

I will have a whole Thursday, but in Oase, Thursday is Dessous-Tag which I don't like.

My last times in Sharks were many years ago and it was always on winter time, so I don't recall the outdoor.

Rocinha
06-28-18, 11:49
I believe that guys whose optic girls are not regarded as hot by the majority of blokes are lucky. Throughout my life I have viewed girls who are considered hot by the majority of men as, in fact, optics. However, I have reached the stage in my life where beauty alone does not do it for me. Also, my experience at FKKs is that the hotter the provider the worse the service generally. I much prefer to have a good performance by an average girl than a lukewarm one by a looker. Sessioning an optic means spending more money for poorer service, I'd leave such sessions for inexperienced mongers which I once was.I agree with what you say. The quality of the experience has little to do with the level of beauty. If a girl is very beautiful and very bored you are clearly not going to have a good time, and affecting an air of boredom unfortunately goes hand in hand with beauty. I look for a certain attitude that is almost impossible to describe in words but essentially is the same thing I looked for in my younger days in the disco, I could call it a vibe. If the vibe is encouraging then proceed. When looking for the vibe looks become almost irrelevant.

TimBok2
06-28-18, 12:24
I plan to visit Sharks in the near future and I am wondering if there are some really great looking Milfs with outstanding service quality around. If not at Sharks where else can I find the ultimate service only a real woman can provide.

Any suggestions are highly appreciated.

Turgid
06-28-18, 12:34
.......................... BTW: I was at Sharks yesterday. And the line-up was pretty poor. So many fake boobs. Also no new stunners. Also only 3 (not so pretty) germans- which were either fat, old, or ugly (I don't like those blown up lips, yikes).Very few doable girls at FKKs these days. I have done about 30 girls so far for the past 5 weeks or so, about 4 of them hot; not one of them worth repeating. The good service girls not worth repeating because of looks and the good looking girls not worth repeating because of service.

Member #4581
06-28-18, 12:50
Very few doable girls at FKKs these days. I have done about 30 girls so far for the past 5 weeks or so, about 4 of them hot; not one of them worth repeating. The good service girls not worth repeating because of looks and the good looking girls not worth repeating because of service.Your opinion, and I respect it as such. However, that is a harsh judgement.

On any given day, these big Hessen clubs have a minimum of 80 to 100 girls, and in a week well over 150 each. They are generally young, reasonably slim; facially pretty? The last one depends on individual tastes of course. As for service, almost all of them give BBBJ in a 50 and many if not all give some amount of kissing in 50 and most give in a 100. That is not a huge departure from recent times past.

Where else do we have such a venue? For sure nothing remotely like this at these prices exists (with a similar ambience and wellness and food and other facilities) in US / UK / Canada. Many mongers may not care for the look of girls in Brazil and Thailand and other sex destinations, so that is not an apt comparison.

If you can't find good sessions, it is because your standards have become impossibly high after years of mongering and you are forgetting that over time prices increase for everything in the world. (Not you you personally, but the general you monger). These clubs still offer the best combination of a large secure clean environment with a hundred naked young Euro ladies ready to fuck and suck for a lousy 50. If there are any other clubs which offer comparable stuff, mongers would be flocking there. But there are nt, and they are not.

Creature2
06-28-18, 13:18
Tuesday is Dessous-Tag at Sharks. And I don't like it either. BTW: I was at Sharks yesterday. And the line-up was pretty poor. So many fake boobs. Also no new stunners. Also only 3 (not so pretty) germans- which were either fat, old, or ugly (I don't like those blown up lips, yikes).Thanks mate for the feedback.

It's hit and miss sometime, everywhere. You cannot rely even for a LU of 80 girls, sometime.

And my question? What was the approach policy in Sharks? Like the other Hessen big 4 ?

İf the LU is that so dead in Sharks, maybe I should reconsider Oase, at least for optics and also good BBQ food.

Pistons
06-28-18, 13:24
Your opinion, and I respect it as such. However, that is a harsh judgement.

On any given day, these big Hessen clubs have a minimum of 80 to 100 girls, and in a week well over 150 each. They are generally young, reasonably slim; facially pretty? The last one depends on individual tastes of course. As for service, almost all of them give BBBJ in a 50 and many if not all give some amount of kissing in 50 and most give in a 100. That is not a huge departure from recent times past.

Where else do we have such a venue? For sure nothing remotely like this at these prices exists (with a similar ambience and wellness and food and other facilities) in US / UK / Canada. Many mongers may not care for the look of girls in Brazil and Thailand and other sex destinations, so that is not an apt comparison.

If you can't find good sessions, it is because your standards have become impossibly high after years of mongering and you are forgetting that over time prices increase for everything in the world. (Not you you personally, but the general you monger). These clubs still offer the best combination of a large secure clean environment with a hundred naked young Euro ladies ready to fuck and suck for a lousy 50. If there are any other clubs which offer comparable stuff, mongers would be flocking there. But there are nt, and they are not.The problem is thus easily hinted at: they should increase the standard rate from 50 to 60. Then we could increase our 30 min expectation a notch at the same time, and management would have incentives to be tougher and smarter also in their ways.

But 100 is silly. I stop mongering on the day if that becomes a norm.

Kuni042
06-28-18, 13:57
Approach varies. Some girls rove around like tigers and corner you. If you look elsewhere they will leave you alone. Most girls simply sit on the coaches and wait for you to make the first move.

The quantiy of the LU at Sharks was high. I am guess 80+ girls. BTW: I moved afterwards to Mainhattan which I found a much more classy club with a LU of about 30+ girls. Still a fair quality from the looks. Cannot judge the service thougjh.


Thanks mate for the feedback.

It's hit and miss sometime, everywhere. You cannot rely even for a LU of 80 girls, sometime.

And my question? What was the approach policy in Sharks? Like the other Hessen big 4 ?

İf the LU is that so dead in Sharks, maybe I should reconsider Oase, at least for optics and also good BBQ food.

Kuni042
06-28-18, 14:11
Both are right imo.

A) I wouldn't dare to danger myself in Brazil. Don't speak portoguese. So all the places are too high risk for me. Spain might be an option.

B) Thailand? Also either dangerous or no need in a too skinny or too fatty thai. There sure are some stunners. Then they cost you triple the money in central europe.

And OF COURSE things gotten much worse to compared 3 yrs ago. No debate here. We had them all over the board.


Your opinion, and I respect it as such. However, that is a harsh judgement.

On any given day, these big Hessen clubs have a minimum of 80 to 100 girls, and in a week well over 150 each. They are generally young, reasonably slim; facially pretty? The last one depends on individual tastes of course. As for service, almost all of them give BBBJ in a 50 and many if not all give some amount of kissing in 50 and most give in a 100. That is not a huge departure from recent times past.

Where else do we have such a venue? For sure nothing remotely like this at these prices exists (with a similar ambience and wellness and food and other facilities) in US / UK / Canada. Many mongers may not care for the look of girls in Brazil and Thailand and other sex destinations, so that is not an apt comparison.

If you can't find good sessions, it is because your standards have become impossibly high after years of mongering and you are forgetting that over time prices increase for everything in the world. (Not you you personally, but the general you monger). These clubs still offer the best combination of a large secure clean environment with a hundred naked young Euro ladies ready to fuck and suck for a lousy 50. If there are any other clubs which offer comparable stuff, mongers would be flocking there. But there are nt, and they are not.

ExpatLover
06-28-18, 14:17
Tuesday is Dessous-Tag at Sharks. And I don't like it either. BTW: I was at Sharks yesterday. And the line-up was pretty poor. So many fake boobs. Also no new stunners. Also only 3 (not so pretty) germans- which were either fat, old, or ugly (I don't like those blown up lips, yikes).It depends of the level of expectations, mine are very high and even getting higher and higher, I just session less than 3 girls in any big club, and may be 1 in a smaller one, I am not willing to fuck each holes, I am able to control my libido and only great stunner have a chance with me.

Pistons
06-28-18, 18:30
The big issue I definitely see with high optic and service standards is the number of new girls to try. A friend tells me that he tried over 50 new girls last year in a little less than 100 club days. In comparison, I tried 12-15 new girls in under 50 visits. If I was an every weekend guy, there may not be enough girls. But as long as you restrict yourself to just Sharks and Oase, the 4-6 trip per year mongers or even a monthly monger, that should be enough women to choose from while not having to compromise service expectations.I think I had about 100 sessions last year and about 34-38 club days. Maybe sub 40 new girls roughly speaking. But if it hadn't been for our Austria trip, you could shave off 10 of those girls. And the 30 new girls for me in Germany were about 3 quarters of all the new optics I found there. Sure I repeated about 15 girls too, but I don't think there are more than 50 optics in the interesting German clubs at any time. (At least the most talked about top 10-15 clubs). For a monthly monger, or someone with over 50 club days in Germany a year, you'd really try much harder to get your repeat eve's going. Otherwise with such a strategy you could run out of good options.

What bugs me is just the drama that occurs if you skip your eve in one or two visits. Or if you go with her sworn enemy in the club. I have done that a few times and burnt some great girls on it. One even spat me in the face once. But I know she loves me. LOL!

Now I need to save me from some possible Oceans drama in my upcoming trip. You run it much safer when you are over twice as faithful as me within the various clubs. I wonder how it would turn out if we switched tactics. Then again, I would probably break the chain halfway anyway, LOL.

Pistons
06-28-18, 18:45
An exaggeration there. I think I only went with about 25 new girls in Germany last year that I hadn't done before (plus the 9 in aut / slo since one was a repeat I had met in Germany before). But my equation still stands fairly strong. New interesting girls that trickle in is hard to count however as many only stays for shorter periods in some clubs. But some clubs are better than others for finding new talent also. Oceans, Oase, Sharks, Artemis, Samya and maybe YY and Aca. And perhaps some up in hamburg. The bigger the clubs, the higher the chances of hitting new talent also, even if a few of these clubs have disappointed a bit at new talent lately. Such as Artemis etc.

PunchBowl
06-28-18, 21:05
For your Needs you should Really Hook Up with Fkklimousine!

Sirioja
06-28-18, 21:44
I plan to visit Sharks in the near future and I am wondering if there are some really great looking Milfs with outstanding service quality around. If not at Sharks where else can I find the ultimate service only a real woman can provide.

Any suggestions are highly appreciated.Blond Latvian Marina is amazing in bed, at Sharks. Sitting at the bar close to restaurant.

Blond German Pia, sometimes working at GT, is a real performer for sex.

Admin2
06-28-18, 22:55
I had a great time with Venus (tiny little Romania with hair nearly to her waist) who hangs out on the corner of the couch between the entrance and the stripper pole.

I did an hour with her and it was everything I'm looking for. Superior mic skills and wasn't afraid of some pounding. More than accommodating.

Best reference I can give is that I would put her in a steady rotation if I lived here.

Member #4581
06-28-18, 23:36
Both are right imo.

A) I wouldn't dare to danger myself in Brazil. Don't speak portoguese. So all the places are too high risk for me. Spain might be an option.

B) Thailand? Also either dangerous or no need in a too skinny or too fatty thai. There sure are some stunners. Then they cost you triple the money in central europe.

And OF COURSE things gotten much worse to compared 3 yrs ago. No debate here. We had them all over the board.Yes ofc. I was the one who argued multiple times here that implied price has increased de facto even if the stated price has stayed at 50 E because you are getting less for the same price.

That said, his argument below is that girls optics and quality is so bad now that it is difficult to find fuckable girls. I don't think that's accurate. Out of 150 girls if a guy can't find a few girls good enough to fuck, either he has impossibly high standards or has some other issue with his expectations.

Pistons
06-29-18, 05:06
The way to monger in Thailand is not at the brothels nor the gogo-bars.

You use facebook for scouting, or tinder, or some dating website perhaps on your first days. Then once you get there, you can hit them up at discos, on the street or even random random girls at shopping malls.

Far cheaper than the rates at the expensive places. Even the brothels at suk soi 24 in bkk at more expensive then.

1000-1500 bath gets you still very far.

The deal there is the cultural openness to prostitution among the girls. Only recent propaganda trying to set norms for the girls by telling them it is wrong, is working against it. That being local thai men loosing out on the pussy-war to tourists bringing larger piles of cash with them.

People are brainwashed all around the world in all places of life (the educational system being the worst). But who cares? Maybe someone has brains. Prostitutes does understand more in this regard than most others at least.

TimBok2
06-29-18, 12:09
Blond Latvian Marina is amazing in bed, at Sharks. Sitting at the bar close to restaurant.

Blond German Pia, sometimes working at GT, is a real performer for sex.Thanks for the hint. Are there any more around and could you (or anyone in the forum) suggest a club with MILF highlights I'm the Frankfurt Area.

Again, thank you for your kind advice.

TB2.

Sirioja
06-29-18, 18:56
Yes ofc. I was the one who argued multiple times here that implied price has increased de facto even if the stated price has stayed at 50 E because you are getting less for the same price.

That said, his argument below is that girls optics and quality is so bad now that it is difficult to find fuckable girls. I don't think that's accurate. Out of 150 girls if a guy can't find a few girls good enough to fuck, either he has impossibly high standards or has some other issue with his expectations.Since I started on end of 2012 , it was always difficult for my eyes to find pretty girls in brothels, I see more often pretty girls in Paris or Milano or Alte Adige. Many times I left GT or Sharks or Oase or even Globe, without finding a attractive girl, so no room for me. When I find even only 1 , I m just happy and she is just enough for me. Best for me would be to have only 1 classy elegant beauty with good manners, to visit weekly.

Good point is, despite new law, can still find good level in bed with woman types, and girls who really have will to please back, according to our behavior.

Just need to find beauties who lighten little spark in mind. Not so easy, 8 months to find a new one, but she didn't want to stay at Sharks, and was not made for FKK job, so I didn't advice her Globe, on this time.

LMatador
06-30-18, 02:48
I plan to visit Sharks in the near future and I am wondering if there are some really great looking Milfs with outstanding service quality around. If not at Sharks where else can I find the ultimate service only a real woman can provide.

Any suggestions are highly appreciated.Anjelica / Angelika from Latvia and Lithuanian Karina.

Also, Viktoria from Russia; although I heard she's quit.

Monger Longer
07-01-18, 15:37
I'm headed to Sharks this week for some afternoon / evening fun and the weather forecast looks hot. Almost 90 F (30 see+) How miserable will it be with no A/C? Worth skipping Sharks and going somewhere else?

UltraHappy
07-01-18, 18:52
Yes, definitely skip Sharks on hot days. Sharks will be miserable at those temperatures. Absolutely miserable!

Don't take my word for it. Plenty of reports here that agree with that sentiment.

That being said, after the sun goes down, it will be safe again to drop into Sharks. But, if you're looking for a place you can spend both during the day and during the night, Sharks would be a definite pass -- in my opinion -- unless you just love the heat.


I'm headed to Sharks this week for some afternoon / evening fun and the weather forecast looks hot. Almost 90 F (30 see+) How miserable will it be with no A/C? Worth skipping Sharks and going somewhere else?

George 6969
07-01-18, 20:16
Had been to Shark for the first time based on the reports here. I had been not satisfied, neither with the environment nor the service of the girls.

In this part of the country I only had been to Oase so far, some years ago, which I liked much better. When I get there around 22.00, appr. 60 plus girls had been present. The majority of them are Romanians.

More precise to say, 99% are from Romania. No really beautiful ladies, different appearances, some naked, some wearing a bikini. The majority of them 4-6, not even a single 8.

If I compare Sharks with Golden Time in Vienna, which I had visited more often, no chance for Sharks.

I tried 2 ladies, just to do something, because originally I wanted to leave after 10 minutes.

Both lousy service, rushed without any emotions. The only good thing, its cheap.

Sirioja
07-01-18, 22:35
Had been to Shark for the first time based on the reports here. I had been not satisfied, neither with the environment nor the service of the girls.

In this part of the country I only had been to Oase so far, some years ago, which I liked much better. When I get there around 22.00, appr. 60 plus girls had been present. The majority of them are Romanians.

More precise to say, 99% are from Romania. No really beautiful ladies, different appearances, some naked, some wearing a bikini. The majority of them 4-6, not even a single 8.

If I compare Sharks with Golden Time in Vienna, which I had visited more often, no chance for Sharks.

I tried 2 ladies, just to do something, because originally I wanted to leave after 10 minutes.

Both lousy service, rushed without any emotions. The only good thing, its cheap.Bad luck for you, for sure Sharks is not anymore on 2015 and beginning of 2016 level for beauties, but 2 week ends ago, I found what I call a really top class girl, I don't mean a top performer in bed. She would be a top class girl at Globe and far higher for class at Wellcum. At. Unfortunately, she didn't want to stay in FKK business, too cheap rate for her motivation, but had 3 1 hour, 100, rooms with her on 2 week ends.

I agree, except her, no top beauty at the moment, but some girls are sexy, like Elen, and some are higher in bed, like Viorica or Corina, than Wellcum average level in bed. Had 7 1 hour rooms on 2 week ends, not the faintest upselling, a top class girl, a good GFE performer, a lovely cute one, only Amanda. Hu was quite average.

At the moment, Samya is more impressive for looks, but lower level in bed, if you are not Turkish.

TankTank123
07-02-18, 01:46
Yes, definitely skip Sharks on hot days. Sharks will be miserable at those temperatures. Absolutely miserable!
That being said, after the sun goes down, it will be safe again to drop into Sharks. I was in Sharks in the evening 2 weeks ago. Absolutely impossible to have pleasant sex in the rooms. And the aircons in the unoccupied igloo rooms were kaputt. Even after the sun goes down, the rooms were still warm, and I was sweating profusely after just a little bit of activity.

Fortunately, I devoted 4 of my days to World with aircon comfort in almost all the rooms; the exception being in 2 rooms which were too cold!

Rogue Nation
07-02-18, 06:36
Yes, definitely skip Sharks on hot days. Sharks will be miserable at those temperatures. Absolutely miserable!Yes. Yes this year, yes last year, yes the year before.

ExpatLover
07-02-18, 07:47
Since I started on end of 2012 , it was always difficult for my eyes to find pretty girls in brothels, I see more often pretty girls in Paris or Milano or Alte Adige. Many times I left GT or Sharks or Oase or even Globe, without finding a attractive girl, so no room for me. When I find even only 1 , I m just happy and she is just enough for me. Best for me would be to have only 1 classy elegant beauty with good manners, to visit weekly.

Good point is, despite new law, can still find good level in bed with woman types, and girls who really have will to please back, according to our behavior.

Just need to find beauties who lighten little spark in mind. Not so easy, 8 months to find a new one, but she didn't want to stay at Sharks, and was not made for FKK job, so I didn't advice her Globe, on this time.Fully agree with you, for me it is also very difficult to find beauties, a lot of so so girls, if you look at them under the sun without drinking any alcohol before, most of them are not nice, not fresh, for me no need to spend time or money for those one. Some days in Shark there is not one girl with whom I will go to the room.

Turgid
07-02-18, 09:54
I was in Sharks in the evening 2 weeks ago. Absolutely impossible to have pleasant sex in the rooms. And the aircons in the unoccupied igloo rooms were kaputt. Even after the sun goes down, the rooms were still warm, and I was sweating profusely after just a little bit of activity.

Fortunately, I devoted 4 of my days to World with aircon comfort in almost all the rooms; the exception being in 2 rooms which were too cold!I was in Sharks on Friday and it was intolerably hot. Picked a young Romanian for my first session, we headed to one of the aircon rooms near the fish tank with the dark blue light, I was still sweating in there, 50 euro session with BBBJ, DATY, CFS, she said time up at 20 minutes, getting used to that now, did not nut. Followed that up with another Romanian who said DATY required a 100 euro, 1 hour session. I told her I'd settle for a 50 euro half hour session with only BBBJ and CFS. She delivered surprisingly good service in the room and seemed to genuinely enjoy the sex which I find most Romanians do not. (When a provider rubs her clit during coitus you know she's enjoying it). She was actually very much my type in looks (pretty face, athletic body not too thin and not short). I actually would consider repeating with her for a 100 euro 1 hour session.

Sirioja
07-02-18, 10:02
In Winter, weather can be cold, even we don't have anymore very cold Winters in Western Europe. In Summer, weather can be warm, with sometimes more than 30 Celsius degrees. That's just normal nature. More difficult for girls to work than for iceman who climb Alpe the Huez or Zoncolan under more than 30 degrees, really making heart working very hard, under such heat, so really not a problem to fuck girls, under more than 30 degrees.

I enjoy wood chalets in Sharks garden. I hate and refuse to go in small caves upstairs, close to jacuzzi, can t enjoy good sex in such low level places. Same for dark rooms where was kino, low level rooms.

Room light is part of pleasure for eyes and mind, when I find a beauty. I was surprised to find such top class look, on Katalina Globe level, on Friday 15 June, Saturday 16, Sunday 17 and Friday 22. A real rare pleasure. Her single room on Sunday and Friday 22.

ExpatLover
07-04-18, 21:27
Was more or less pushed by a friend who is living in the US to spend this sunny day in Shark. LU was quite numerous but quality was not there, very very few young fresh and sexy girls, even 20 new girls but most of them veteran of the P6 scene. A lot of mongers nothing specific to notice compare to my previous reports. After 5 hours and good sauna sessions, at 7 PM probably 50 or more police men enter strongly the club, blocking everyone to leave. We mongers were asked to go outside around the pool, they switched on the lights and asked the girls to stay around the bar. Things were moving on very slowly and after 2 hours luckily I found the excuse of a hospital visit to my mother to be able to exit after a ID card control. At 9 PM still a lot of mongers outside on the pool waiting to exit the club.

Simpleminded
07-05-18, 05:59
This is my first time going to Sharks. I got into Frankfurt 4th of July morning and my flight out of Germany was the next day so I figured I would stay at Sharks until they close at 4 am and then go back to the airport. Looking at Google maps for ways to get there from the airport, it seems the only way was taking the train to Frankfurt AM Main Station then taking a train from the to Darmstadt Hbf train station. That was estimated to take about 1 hour and 40 minutes. Reading the forum about 10 pages in, someone mentioned the Air Bus that goes from both Term 1 and 2 straight to the Darmstadt Hbf station and only takes about 30 minutes and costs 8. 70 Euros. I was sitting in Frankfurt airport trying to figure out how to get there when I came across this great info so thank you for that whoever posted it. I did not see this option on Google Maps. There really should be a sticky for each FKK on how to get to these places.

I took the Air Bus and it took about 30 minutes. From there I walked because I wanted to stretch a bit from sitting on a long flight. I would not really recommend this especially if you are carrying a bag like I was. I believe there are luggage lockers at Frankfurt Airport so you can use them. The walk was something like 1. 5 miles I think.

So I get to sharks around 1:30 pm I think. The breakfast that was on offer was mostly gone and was some scrambled eggs, cold cuts, and some small hot dogs or something. Didn't look that great. Later on they had a BBQ at 5 pm going most of the night. I got to say it was the best BBQ I've seen at an FKK because it included grilled steak and chicken as well as hamburgers (not good), sausage and hot dogs. The BBQ at Mainhattan if I remember didn't have steak.

I took a look around and decided to take a nap upstairs on the lounge chairs for a few hours. After the nap I start looking for girls. I think there was a good LU with over 60 girls which I actually counted when the police had them all corralled upstairs. So it was around 6:30 PM or so when the police came in. They separated the men outside and in the dining area and the girls inside. They went through everyone's ID with a magnifying glass literally, looking for fakes. I understand looking for girl's fake ID to make sure they are over 18 or whatever, but what is the point of checking the men's ID? You are not required to show ID to get into Sharks so why would you even bring a fake ID if you were going to Sharks? A girl I talked to who said she has worked at Sharks for about 2 yyears says she has only seen one other police raid besides this one, so I just had some rotten luck on the 4th of July.

So this whole thing took about 3 hours. The management gave away some free champagne, wine and beer right before the police finished checking out the girls' IDs.

I was planning on doing a leisurely session around 7 pm and another one later on in the night maybe towards midnight. Now my plan was thrown off since I didn't get to session the first time until after 10 PM. There is a lesson for me to be learned here. I became picky with all the choice available waiting to see "what else" may show up. In reality if I was in a place in the US with only one of the girls from this FKK I would take her immediately. Here I am with over 60 or more girls and I am procrastinating. Also, after the raid it seems like about 20% of the girls I saw earlier were gone.

My first pick was the little spinner Abby. Romanian, very petite, 147 cm and 37 Kilos and 33 years old. Very tight little bod. I think this is the girl someone mentioned about her over use of baby wipes because she did use a few before and after. Also gave me CBJ which I don't mind.

I was happy with my session with her.

After the session and eating a bunch of steak and chicken BBQ I took another nap to recharge and started looking for another potential girl. Problem is that it was now like 2 AM and the pickings were getting much slimmer. The 4 or 5 girls I had on my short list from earlier were gone. I was thinking I might just not session a second time, but then I chose Larissa at around 3 AM. She is Romanian, blonde, curvier and 26 years old. She gave me BBBBJ without asking. Had a good time with her.

I know this is crazy but I had time to kill so I walked back from Sharks at 4 AM back to the Darmstadt Hbf Station. The Air Bus back to the airport starts running at 4:15 AM and comes every 30 minutes after that I believe.

So here is my opinion on Sharks vs. World, Oase, Palace, Mainhattan. The last few years that I have come in for a one day stay I have been going to Mianhattan. Not because it is so great, but more the convenience of taking the tram there from the Frankfurt AM Main station. I haven't been to those other places in a few years so I can't speak on the current quality of the LU. From what I remember, it was not much different from Mainhattan or the LU I saw at Sharks a few hours ago. In other words the girls seem to be the same mix of 80% or so Romanian and some other countries mixed in. The only distinguishing thing in all these places is maybe better / worse facilities, food, how close it is to you. If you are just interested in quality and quantity of the girls, I would just go to whichever FKK is more convenient to you. The jury is still out on whether I will return to Sharks on my way back to the US next month or will I will just go to Mainhatttan. That is my initial impression and opinion of Sharks and of course YMMV.

Turgid
07-05-18, 11:31
It was indeed around 6. 30 pm and I had already completed one unsatisfying session and was conducting an interview for a second with a good prospect around the bar area when I observed two men dressed in black enter the club with one bearing a video camera; I thought to myself are they shooting a movie in the club? Then in no time at all after that was a swarm of uniformed police and then it hit me. A raid! My first such experience in my 45 years of hobbying. I had missed such experiences in the Caribbean where if entrapped, a night in jail followed by a fine would have ensued. Fortunately no such punishment on this occasion. The cops just checked the ID of everyone present. I was surprised by the number of guys who carry their actual passport with them. I carry a laminated copy of the photo ID page of my passport with me and that was sufficient for them.

Wherever I hobby I very rarely chat with other mongers as I spend all my time looking for girls, chatting with them or otherwise spending quality time with them when I'm not just drinking or relaxing by myself. Well during the raid I chatted with a number of fellow hobbyists as the polizei had separated the blokes from the dames. All men were to stay in the garden area while the women were enclosed in the inner sanctum. I actually chatted with more gents during the period of the raid than in all of my previous years of mongering. Germans, Asians and fellow Americans. Don't know whether any of them are fellow ISGers as the topic never arose; however, mongering generally was discussed. Many were very experienced like myself but none mongered in Latin America or the Caribbean. It is surprising to me how many hobbyists fear the lack of safety in those destinations. I decided to leave about 3 hours after the raid began but according to the previous report was at the same time the raid ended. A police told me it was to be 4 hours. Missed the free champagne.

Optimist
07-05-18, 11:37
To answer the question. The Police check male guests i.d. for age (must be 18 +), and men who are known to them. Like everywhere, Police like to go fishing. Unlike in some countries Police in raids are normally very polite.

XXL
07-05-18, 11:46
... Also, after the raid it seems like about 20% of the girls I saw earlier were gone.This is, of course, the most ominous and depressing aspect.

Kuni042
07-05-18, 14:46
I missed the famous raid with over 100 cops in Artemis by just 24 hrs. Lucky me. But I had two raids in GT (golden time) - my advice if a raid happens:

Try simply to leave the place. -- unless indeed you want to socialize a bit more with fellow mongers!! It will be devastatingly shitty in terms of sex for several hours. - most likely the whole day. In my 2nd raid I simply left for the next club YY (yinn yang) which was just 20 min further out to the west. And all was terrific there.


It was indeed around 6. 30 pm and I had already completed one unsatisfying session and was conducting an interview for a second with a good prospect around the bar area when I observed two men dressed in black enter the club with one bearing a video camera; I thought to myself are they shooting a movie in the club? Then in no time at all after that was a swarm of uniformed police and then it hit me. A raid! My first such experience in my 45 years of hobbying. I had missed such experiences in the Caribbean where if entrapped, a night in jail followed by a fine would have ensued. Fortunately no such punishment on this occasion. The cops just checked the ID of everyone present. I was surprised by the number of guys who carry their actual passport with them. I carry a laminated copy of the photo ID page of my passport with me and that was sufficient for them.

Wherever I hobby I very rarely chat with other mongers as I spend all my time looking for girls, chatting with them or otherwise spending quality time with them when I'm not just drinking or relaxing by myself. Well during the raid I chatted with a number of fellow hobbyists as the polizei had separated the blokes from the dames. All men were to stay in the garden area while the women were enclosed in the inner sanctum. I actually chatted with more gents during the period of the raid than in all of my previous years of mongering. Germans, Asians and fellow Americans. Don't know whether any of them are fellow ISGers as the topic never arose; however, mongering generally was discussed. Many were very experienced like myself but none mongered in Latin America or the Caribbean. It is surprising to me how many hobbyists fear the lack of safety in those destinations. I decided to leave about 3 hours after the raid began but according to the previous report was at the same time the raid ended. A police told me it was to be 4 hours. Missed the free champagne.

Pistons
07-05-18, 17:58
Do these raids really affect much though?

Last time I was at YY there was also a raid. The second raid there on my third visit there. But it didn't affect anything. People didn't seem to bother, and it seemed like a normal thing. Both times, a big German Schaeffer was walking around sniffing on everything too. So I suppose that is one drug free club at least. But I talked to one girl there who had worked in two NRW clubs before, and she said the girls at YY preferred it this way. They had gotten sick of the drugs in Germany, so it was one of the main reasons to work at yy.

DaWong949
07-05-18, 21:40
It was indeed around 6. 30 pm and I had already completed one unsatisfying session and was conducting an interview for a second with a good prospect around the bar area when I observed two men dressed in black enter the club with one bearing a video camera; I thought to myself are they shooting a movie in the club? Then in no time at all after that was a swarm of uniformed police and then it hit me. A raid! My first such experience in my 45 years of hobbying. I had missed such experiences in the Caribbean where if entrapped, a night in jail followed by a fine would have ensued. Fortunately no such punishment on this occasion. The cops just checked the ID of everyone present. I was surprised by the number of guys who carry their actual passport with them. I carry a laminated copy of the photo ID page of my passport with me and that was sufficient for them.

Wherever I hobby I very rarely chat with other mongers as I spend all my time looking for girls, chatting with them or otherwise spending quality time with them when I'm not just drinking or relaxing by myself. Well during the raid I chatted with a number of fellow hobbyists as the polizei had separated the blokes from the dames. All men were to stay in the garden area while the women were enclosed in the inner sanctum. I actually chatted with more gents during the period of the raid than in all of my previous years of mongering. Germans, Asians and fellow Americans..Will California driver license work in this case in stead of passport?

JennyKk
07-06-18, 01:09
I missed the famous raid with over 100 cops in Artemis by just 24 hrs. Lucky me. But I had two raids in GT (golden time) - my advice if a raid happens:

Try simply to leave the place. -- unless indeed you want to socialize a bit more with fellow mongers!! It will be devastatingly shitty in terms of sex for several hours. - most likely the whole day. In my 2nd raid I simply left for the next club YY (yinn yang) which was just 20 min further out to the west. And all was terrific there.Good advice! Always have a plan be.

ResidentOfMars
07-06-18, 03:28
Was at both Sharks and Oase (for the first time) a couple of weeks back.

I found Sharks to be better than Oase.

Oase (Tuesday):

-Oase is smaller.

-There were not that many people. Still someone the receptionist, when I came in, handed out locker keys which seemed to be in the same row, so it got crowded near my locker.

-There aren't that many showers, so again too crowded. The shower room seemed to be as big as Paradise Saarbruken.

-The lockers were very narrow (again like Paradise).

-Oase has male employees, bartender, cleaners, which is a a bit of a boner killer. I like the Sharks only visible female employees model better.

-Girls approach more in Oase. All the girls who approached me while I was sitting initiated under towel action. One girl after another approached me. This is a plus I guess.

-Too many porn images. Sharks is more relaxed.

-At Oase all the girls I talked to seemed to require 100 e 1 HR session for DATY.

-There is a relaxation area which is a plus.

Had a couple of decent sessions (don't remember the names).

Sharks (Wednesday):

-Lot more people than Oase. But the dudes were mostly watching football during the day.

-Food was much better than Oase. Good enough food that one might consider it decent in a restaurant buffet.

-The outdoor area seemed better. Actual couches.

-After the matches ended the men went after the rooms, so all the rooms in the night were occupied.

Sessions:

Selina: Young, black hair. Decent, honest provider.

Sabrine 30's? French woman. It started off fine, but she said time's up at the 20 min mark after which it went downhill. I objected and she got pissy that for 50 e you cannot expect much, I should have some respect for her; left a bad taste in my mouth.

Kika (attempted session). Black hair, glasses. All the rooms were booked, and as we had completed our round of the rooms, we met one dude and she prompty ignored me and was all over this dude while I was still next to her. I left them. Was feeling shitty and too much of a walking ATM machine. Was thinking of calling it quits (before Kika, another girl had rejected me). And then I saw a girl talking to another one, and this girl smiled in their conversation. Could it be?. That smile. I immediately went to her and asked her name. Madalina! Yes, how did I miss her. Small changes in her look. I sessioned with her once before a few months back, I wanted to repeat with her but I had not seen her mentioned here since then. Total sweetheart. 90 minutes in room with her which made the day worthwhile. She did guilt me a bit about not recognizing her (apparently she had recognized me). There was another girl who recognized me, from 6 months ago which was impressive.

ExpatLover
07-06-18, 04:24
Do these raids really affect much though?

Last time I was at YY there was also a raid. The second raid there on my third visit there. But it didn't affect anything. People didn't seem to bother, and it seemed like a normal thing. Both times, a big German Schaeffer was walking around sniffing on everything too. So I suppose that is one drug free club at least. But I talked to one girl there who had worked in two NRW clubs before, and she said the girls at YY preferred it this way. They had gotten sick of the drugs in Germany, so it was one of the main reasons to work at yy.Of course it will affect the business, some married guys don't want to face those kind of situation, many Turkish guys also don't appreciate to be controlled. For me 0 impact, yesterday a girl whatsapp me that around 15 girls were found not having the right papers to work in the club, they already left the club and she also wrote that the management.

Will face some legal issues about it. For those who plan to visit in the coming day, may be the LU will be not that good, but it was also the case before the raid.

Akibono
07-06-18, 04:53
Will California driver license work in this case in stead of passport?Why don't you just show them your student ID.

Pistons
07-06-18, 05:59
Easy first impressions there.

After awhile you might realise that Oase does indeed have the better garden. It has sports opportunities and a much better pool to be laying around. Grilling at Oase is also more cozy than the A4 sharks garden. Plus the Sharks people are terrible at grilling, and the grill food is so bad you almost want to avoid days they are grilling instead of eating indoors, which is better at sharks, but the opposite at Oase.

Male personnel at Oase is also more honest than the introvert sometimes rude female sharks personnel. But I do miss some female bartenders, like 2-3 different girls who worked the downstairs bar at Artemis, or the polish girl at Palace.

The rest I agree on tho. Upsells at Oase.

Sirioja
07-06-18, 11:42
Was at both Sharks and Oase (for the first time) a couple of weeks back.

I found Sharks to be better than Oase.

Oase (Tuesday):

-Oase is smaller.

-There were not that many people. Still someone the receptionist, when I came in, handed out locker keys which seemed to be in the same row, so it got crowded near my locker.

-There aren't that many showers, so again too crowded. The shower room seemed to be as big as Paradise Saarbruken.

-The lockers were very narrow (again like Paradise).

-Oase has male employees, bartender, cleaners, which is a a bit of a boner killer. I like the Sharks only visible female employees model better..On my June visits, I saw a better casting at Sharks than very average at Oase on a Friday.

On Friday 15 June, I discovered a top class Romanian 25 yo woman who is in my top 4 for class and charm, with legendary Katalina. Ro / Kate at Globe, Madi. Ro World until beginning of May 2015 and another Romanian I had 20 hours in room with, on some months. All Romanians, on top for class and charm, a German for sexual level, my best ever, just amazing, a sweet model beauty but couldn't compete for class and charm. Even nobody told about her, but she didn't want to keep on working in FKK, we repeated on Saturday and Sunday. When I left on Sunday to drive to Paris, I knew she would be my only girl in FKK land. What a welcome on next Friday, we repeated again. My only friend in this business who knows how it s difficult for me to find Eve who makes me dream, told me: Advice her for Globe like Megan, or even Aphrodisia bar for 280 for 30 mn, but she was not made for this bad job. I was happy to enjoy such a woman who tried to please me with her potential, great welcome and smile. Behavior is the most enjoyable for me. Wish her the best.

ResidentOfMars
07-06-18, 22:32
Easy first impressions there.

After awhile you might realise that Oase does indeed have the better garden. It has sports opportunities and a much better pool to be laying around. Grilling at Oase is also more cozy than the A4 sharks garden. Plus the Sharks people are terrible at grilling, and the grill food is so bad you almost want to avoid days they are grilling instead of eating indoors, which is better at sharks, but the opposite at Oase.

Male personnel at Oase is also more honest than the introvert sometimes rude female sharks personnel. But I do miss some female bartenders, like 2-3 different girls who worked the downstairs bar at Artemis, or the polish girl at Palace.

The rest I agree on tho. Upsells at Oase.Both at Oase and at Sharks, the food was outdoors and grilled on my visit days. Sharks grilled food way WAY better than Oase grilled food. Oase grilled was dry. And no hot dishes to accompany the meat (potatoe fries don't count). At Sharks, grilled meat was moist, there was also a hot mixed vegetable dish. There was an Asian guy doing the grilling at Sharks (he seemed to be there just for that), maybe he is new from when you were there (Asians do everything better).

The Sharks site says the outdoor area has been remodeled. Have you been there recently?

I have not encountered rude staff at Sharks (or Oase).

I think Sharks in June / July is great. It was bright outside till like 10:30 pm. Excellent outdoor area.

In winter, Oase might come out ahead with its relax area next to the garden. Sharks REALLY needs a relaxation area without the loud music.

Pistons
07-06-18, 23:51
Maybe calling the Sharks staff rude was a bit of an exaggeration. But at least they seem way too stressed out. They need to learn how to smile and chill. One woman at sharks does have a laugh sometimes though. I believe she worked the floor once long ago.

Pistons
07-06-18, 23:54
There was an Asian guy doing the grilling at Sharks (he seemed to be there just for that), maybe he is new from when you were there (Asians do everything better).Maybe that Asian guy has taken a crash course in grilling this past winter. Because unless there are two, it was the same guy behind the grilling last summer. I haven't had grill food at sharks this summer though. Next week I try.

Canary
07-07-18, 00:16
I have an opportunity to finally go to Frankfurt & visit Sharks for the first time as opposed to my usual haunt at Artemis.

However I would be visiting Sharks on a Sunday (2/9/18) which I'm wondering if it's worthwhile?

The question is whether Sunday's is usually a dead day regards quality / quantity regarding LU?

If so I would rather leave it & book another time whenever the opportunity arises.

I appreciate every Sunday can vary but before I book air fares I just wanted to gauge opinion.

Thanks.

XXL
07-07-18, 02:05
The airconditioning in the igloo rooms was not working. In the future I shall simply do all I can to avoid some FKKs on hot summer days. This Saturday at Skarks was such a day. World or Sixsens would be doable on such days regardless of line-ups.

Two sexy girls serving at the bar inside. Could they be "rescued" girls? The reason I'm wondering is a girl told me Jamaican Winnie was now working as a staff member. Back in January I had been dismayed to find one of my favourites at Colosseum working as a laundry maid. "Rescueing" girls who fall short of the new requirements, for them to work as non-sex staff would be a clever way of drying up supply while not causing any hardship to human beings with a vagina.

ResidentOfMars
07-07-18, 02:45
The airconditioning in the igloo rooms was not working. In the future I shall simply do all I can to avoid some FKKs on hot summer days. This Saturday at Skarks was such a day. World or Sixsens would be doable on such days regardless of line-ups.

Two sexy girls serving at the bar inside. Could they be "rescued" girls? The reason I'm wondering is a girl told me Jamaican Winnie was now working as a staff member. Back in January I had been dismayed to find one of my favourites at Colosseum working as a laundry maid. "Rescueing" girls who fall short of the new requirements, for them to work as non-sex staff would be a clever way of drying up supply while not causing any hardship to human beings with a vagina.What do you mean by rescued girls?

XXL
07-07-18, 02:50
What do you mean by rescued girls?They're offered a civil job in exchanged for stopping prostitution. "Rescued" is a code world in the mainstream media for "being taken out of the sex market". See "rescue industry".

ResidentOfMars
07-07-18, 02:53
They're offered a civil job in exchanged for stopping prostitution. "Rescued" is a code world in the mainstream media and the rescue industry for "being taken out of the sex market".I didn't know about this program. Any person, who is a prostitute, is guaranteed a civil job if they stop prostituting?

What are the requirements you alluded to in your post?

XXL
07-07-18, 02:58
I didn't know about this program. Any person, who is a prostitute, is guaranteed a civil job if they stop prostituting?

What are the requirements you alluded to in your post?The new requirements as per the new German prostitution law in Germany (lots of discussions here about that here lately).

Pistons
07-07-18, 04:47
They're offered a civil job in exchanged for stopping prostitution. "Rescued" is a code world in the mainstream media for "being taken out of the sex market". See "rescue industry".So if somebody wants a job in Germany, a simple way is to work as a prostitute for a few months first? Or at least register.

Rogue Nation
07-07-18, 05:01
They're offered a civil job in exchanged for stopping prostitution. "Rescued" is a code world in the mainstream media for "being taken out of the sex market". See "rescue industry".It's not like a girl quitting her working girl life is automatically offered a normal job, that is not how it works. WGs getting a job at the bar, cleaning or reception is the normal career for many of them, plenty of examples for that. Alex from the reception was a WG at Oase. Same for Olga (great body then, fucked get a few times). Same for Silke from the bar, she was working in Dietzenbach many years ago.

MyTwoInches
07-07-18, 20:18
So if somebody wants a job in Germany, a simple way is to work as a prostitute for a few months first? Or at least register.If she is doing a waitress job, not much prior experience is needed. Certainly not as a prostitute previously.

If she applies to be a machine learning expert, she will not get the job even if she worked for ten years previously as the #1 Prostitute at Sharks. Unless she has the requisite education and technical knowledge.

Pistons
07-07-18, 23:07
It's not like a girl quitting her working girl life is automatically offered a normal job, that is not how it works. WGs getting a job at the bar, cleaning or reception is the normal career for many of them, plenty of examples for that. Alex from the reception was a WG at Oase. Same for Olga (great body then, fucked get a few times). Same for Silke from the bar, she was working in Dietzenbach many years ago.Is Olga the blonde?

ResidentOfMars
07-08-18, 02:19
I usually get the RMV ticket to go from Frankfurt HBF to Darmstadt. Anyone know if the are bus rides are included in this ticket?

Also, if I get a day pass RMV ticket, can it be used on the Airliner?

Pistons
07-08-18, 03:23
If she is doing a waitress job, not much prior experience is needed. Certainly not as a prostitute previously.

If she applies to be a machine learning expert, she will not get the job even if she worked for ten years previously as the #1 Prostitute at Sharks. Unless she has the requisite education and technical knowledge.But many people are still having a hard time getting a job in many countries. Including Germany. And they would be competing for the waitress jobs with locals, or new immigrants etc. So for a new immigrant from Syria, one way into the jobs market (as a waitress), can be to work as a prostitute for a while first?

ExpatLover
07-08-18, 06:02
But many people are still having a hard time getting a job in many countries. Including Germany. And they would be competing for the waitress jobs with locals, or new immigrants etc. So for a new immigrant from Syria, one way into the jobs market (as a waitress), can be to work as a prostitute for a while first?To be a prostitute is not a job, most of the time when you are one time a prostitute you never go back to a normal life. Also with the new law nobody knows how confidential the datas will remain and if a employer will not get the infos that a girl worked as a prostitute. On top of that never forget thet more than 70 percent of all the prostitutes in Germany have a boyfriend or are married or are pimped, this also need to be solved before getting a job.

Samplerr
07-08-18, 11:56
I usually get the RMV ticket to go from Frankfurt HBF to Darmstadt. Anyone know if the are bus rides are included in this ticket?

Also, if I get a day pass RMV ticket, can it be used on the Airliner?https://www.rmv.de/c/de/fahrkarten/die-richtige-fahrkarte/alle-fahrkarten-im-ueberblick/

Here it states that with RMV passes the entire RMV network, and all means of transport, are included.

If you're referring to this service, then there's an additional charge:

https://www.heagmobibus.de/de/airliner

Big Boss Man
07-08-18, 16:56
I was at Sharks on a Thursday afternoon recently and there was no group on the couches around the stripper pole like in September 2017? Was I there too early? That group had some of the best looking girls from my viewpoint. I was less impressed with Sharks this time as compared to my first trip. My room choices were not great. I guess I was off my game. Also I was coming from Switzerland where I thought the optics was slightly higher.

Takedown
07-08-18, 18:35
I was at Sharks on a Thursday afternoon recently and there was no group on the couches around the stripper pole like in September 2017? Was I there too early? That group had some of the best looking girls from my viewpoint. I was less impressed with Sharks this time as compared to my first trip. My room choices were not great. I guess I was off my game. Also I was coming from Switzerland where I thought the optics was slightly higher.Many have been on hiatus from the industry since April. Girls like Evita and Mila have not outright said that they quit but remain unsure about their future. I know quite a few girls who have been off for 2-3 months and seem very happy vacationing all over Europe. Either they saved quite a bit of money working to fund their expensive tastes for a long time, or more likely most will run out of runway funding soon and will be back by the fall.

Sirioja
07-08-18, 19:13
It's not like a girl quitting her working girl life is automatically offered a normal job, that is not how it works. WGs getting a job at the bar, cleaning or reception is the normal career for many of them, plenty of examples for that. Alex from the reception was a WG at Oase. Same for Olga (great body then, fucked get a few times). Same for Silke from the bar, she was working in Dietzenbach many years ago.Also Moira who worked at the bar.

Ggeorge6
07-08-18, 19:23
Maybe calling the Sharks staff rude was a bit of an exaggeration. But at least they seem way too stressed out. They need to learn how to smile and chill. One woman at sharks does have a laugh sometimes though. I believe she worked the floor once long ago.Are you from the USA? Because "tired" and "stressed" and "learn how to smile and chill" is what I thought of all Germans, then I worked with them for a while and realized they just different and that just how they are.

ResidentOfMars
07-08-18, 23:24
https://www.rmv.de/c/de/fahrkarten/die-richtige-fahrkarte/alle-fahrkarten-im-ueberblick/

Here it states that with RMV passes the entire RMV network, and all means of transport, are included.

If you're referring to this service, then there's an additional charge:

https://www.heagmobibus.de/de/airlinerThanks. Checked that the "Tageskarte" does not allow travel to Airfport. Bah.

If I buy a Einzelfahrkarte at the Frankfurt HBF, can I go to Darmstadt HBF and from there take the are bus on that same ticket? Or is every ride a seperate ticket.

Similarly, can I buy a Einzelfahrkarte at the FRA airport, go to Frankfurt HBF and from there to Darmstadt HBF on that same ticket?

TankTank123
07-09-18, 03:09
can I buy a Einzelfahrkarte at the FRA airport, go to Frankfurt HBF and from there to Darmstadt HBF on that same ticket?Yes, you can. And on your way back, you can buy ticket to Frankfurt for the same price from the 'R' bus driver.

PayForIt
07-10-18, 01:20
Quick question guys. I have a Wednesday and Thursday in De. Which night might be better for Sharks?

Mangga
07-10-18, 01:32
Yes, you can. And on your way back, you can buy ticket to Frankfurt for the same price from the 'R' bus driver.So technically how many trains / buses can you take with the same ticket? Is it a matter of time? Like only in a certain time frame from the moment you buy it?

Mechelen
07-10-18, 01:37
Quick question guys. I have a Wednesday and Thursday in De. Which night might be better for Sharks?Wednesdays are crowded with good line up. Thursdays are relaxer, but still enough girls to choose.

TankTank123
07-10-18, 03:41
So technically how many trains / buses can you take with the same ticket? Is it a matter of time? Like only in a certain time frame from the moment you buy it?Firstly, the journey must be in the direction between the start point and the end destination. And secondly, there is a time limit, which if I remember correctly is 3 hours. Furthermore, sometimes (not always) a train conductor would appear to clip and time-stamp your ticket.

Akibono
07-10-18, 04:10
Anyone see German Sandra here recently?

Turgid
07-10-18, 10:59
Wednesdays are crowded with good line up. Thursdays are relaxer, but still enough girls to choose.Wednesdays are 50 euro entrance fee so many many men.

Canary
07-10-18, 12:07
I've got a totally unexpected opportunity to visit Sharks for the first time next month on the 8th. Unfortunately I've found out Tuesdays are lingerie days but is it likely a few ladies might be naked?

After viewing this forum it appears from Frankfurt Main Airport taking the Airliner bus is easy, cheap & quicker.

However from Terminal Two how easy is it to find where the bus starts from & can I pay the bus driver directly? My German language skills are poor.

Lastly my plan is to leave the bus at at Darmstadt Main Railway Station then pick up a taxi to Sharks, does this sound a reasonable plan?

Sorry for all the questions. I've been to Artemis several times so it will be interesting to compare the Clubs. Reading this forum I think Artemis has a greater choice of nationalities where Sharks appears to be 80% full of Romanians?

The food can't be any worse than what they serve at Artemis, LOL!

Thanks.

Sirioja
07-10-18, 12:25
Anyone see German Sandra here recently?She started at Sharks on January 2015, after escorting a bit. FKK years are like dog years, for girls.

To Pistons, even fast and sometimes big money, sometimes more than 20000 per month for some busy superstars, but women should not have to do this bad job, if they have had a positive childhood, or not been born in a poor country, or not met a pimp, or not having a child with father who ran away. Not easy money, they will never forget, their body will never forget. Some will have problem to have a baby later. They just learn how to make money fast. Is this money really for their future life?

Rogue Nation
07-10-18, 13:32
So if somebody wants a job in Germany, a simple way is to work as a prostitute for a few months first? Or at least register.Exactly. Go to a brothel. Suck some fat old tourist's dicks and let them fuck your ass. Then turn to the government and tell them to get you a decent job. That's the secret behind Germany's economic strength.

PussyLiccker
07-10-18, 17:24
Went with Alexia, hammer session! But, I have doubts under 1hr, she'd provide GFE(this is more and more common at Sharks). And also I tried her friend Adelina, and that was a disaster. It's a shame because I was pretty attracted to her, particularly her face(pretty face). I like taking Evelina reguarly, like her looks, and quite nice in the room, and very satifactory with a hot gal. Couple others that chases after me and give in to sessions weren't there.

ExpatLover
07-10-18, 18:46
Exactly. Go to a brothel. Suck some fat old tourist's dicks and let them fuck your ass. Then turn to the government and tell them to get you a decent job. That's the secret behind Germany's economic strength.I believe that you are completely wrong, no girl is willing to tell that she worked as a prostitute. If you are jealous about Germany it is so easy to do better.

Tinny2000
07-10-18, 21:26
Same question. What about Monday and Tuesday? Thanks.


Quick question guys. I have a Wednesday and Thursday in De. Which night might be better for Sharks?

DaWong949
07-10-18, 23:42
I've got a totally unexpected opportunity to visit Sharks for the first time next month on the 8th. Unfortunately I've found out Tuesdays are lingerie days but is it likely a few ladies might be naked?

After viewing this forum it appears from Frankfurt Main Airport taking the Airliner bus is easy, cheap & quicker.

However from Terminal Two how easy is it to find where the bus starts from & can I pay the bus driver directly? My German language skills are poor.

Lastly my plan is to leave the bus at at Darmstadt Main Railway Station then pick up a taxi to Sharks, does this sound a reasonable plan?

Sorry for all the questions. I've been to Artemis several times so it will be interesting to compare the Clubs. Reading this forum I think Artemis has a greater choice of nationalities where Sharks appears to be 80% full of Romanians?

The food can't be any worse than what they serve at Artemis, LOL!

Thanks.From T2,you transfer yourself to T1 with skytrain. Go to ground level where you will see buses. Go outside and cross the middle road, you will be at bus depot (where all bus stop and go). Bus airliner is on number13/14. It is the last stop on you right if your back is facing the terminal. Have fun and report back here.

Member #4581
07-11-18, 00:29
Exactly. Go to a brothel. Suck some fat old tourist's dicks and let them fuck your ass. Then turn to the government and tell them to get you a decent job. That's the secret behind Germany's economic strength.Some of Pistons' comments are so detached from reality, and you replied with the perfect repartee to one of his more bizarre claims here!

Mechelen
07-11-18, 02:00
Same question. What about Monday and Tuesday? Thanks.Mondays are slow but still enough girls available.

Tuesday is dessousday, this means girls in lingerie.

Canary
07-11-18, 07:38
From T2,you transfer yourself to T1 with skytrain. Go to ground level where you will see buses. Go outside and cross the middle road, you will be at bus depot (where all bus stop and go). Bus airliner is on number13/14. It is the last stop on you right if your back is facing the terminal. Have fun and report back here.Thanks for that, it was very helpful as I was under the impression the Airliner bus could be picked up from both terminals 1 & 2. You have saved me some valuable time, thanks.

Do I pay the driver or is it a ticket machine?

Of course I will write a report as I've done when going to Artemis. I just hope some girls will be naked, I don't like the idea of lingerie day but I have no choice on the day I visit so Tuesday it is.

RichCandyMan
07-11-18, 12:32
Please let me know if Anya, Lexi or Linda still working in sharks or any other clubs.

Thank you.

BadinSweet
07-11-18, 18:29
Thanks for that, it was very helpful as I was under the impression the Airliner bus could be picked up from both terminals 1 & 2. You have saved me some valuable time, thanks.

Do I pay the driver or is it a ticket machine?

Of course I will write a report as I've done when going to Artemis. I just hope some girls will be naked, I don't like the idea of lingerie day but I have no choice on the day I visit so Tuesday it is.The airliner bus also stop at Terminal 2. No point to go from T2 to T1, catch a bus, and then the bus will be back to T2 few minutes later. At T2, the bus stops at hall E exit 8 (per this link: https://www.frankfurt-airport.com/en/travel/transfer.detail.suffix.html/service/bus-line/bus-line-airliner-darmstadt.html).

See that same link PDF for the latest bus schedule. You can see this PDF from the RMV site but looks like the times are off now by a few minutes. But it should have all the info you need: https://www.rmv.de/c/fileadmin/documents/PDFs/_RMV_DE/Fahrkarten/Die_richtige_Fahrkarte/Fahrkarten_im_Ueberblick/Lokale_Fahrkartenangebote/Darmstadt_AirLiner-Direktbus_Faltblatt.pdf.

You can pay the driver as you board. Most drivers speak some English to me. But the cost is 9 E something. So, just hand the driver 10 E or 20 E bill and wait for the change. Make sure to buy the ticket as I have seen inspector couple times on the bus. They start checking you right after the bus leaves T2.

DaWong949
07-12-18, 00:02
Thanks for that, it was very helpful as I was under the impression the Airliner bus could be picked up from both terminals 1 & 2. You have saved me some valuable time, thanks.

Do I pay the driver or is it a ticket machine?

Of course I will write a report as I've done when going to Artemis. I just hope some girls will be naked, I don't like the idea of lingerie day but I have no choice on the day I visit so Tuesday it is.I do know Airliner bus also pick up from T2,but I somehow always end up in T1 doing something (store luggage, food etc). Just pay the driver. Have fun.

Canary
07-12-18, 07:16
The airliner bus also stop at Terminal 2. No point to go from T2 to T1, catch a bus, and then the bus will be back to T2 few minutes later. At T2, the bus stops at hall E exit 8 (per this link: https://www.frankfurt-airport.com/en/travel/transfer.detail.suffix.html/service/bus-line/bus-line-airliner-darmstadt.html).

See that same link PDF for the latest bus schedule. You can see this PDF from the RMV site but looks like the times are off now by a few minutes. But it should have all the info you need: https://www.rmv.de/c/fileadmin/documents/PDFs/_RMV_DE/Fahrkarten/Die_richtige_Fahrkarte/Fahrkarten_im_Ueberblick/Lokale_Fahrkartenangebote/Darmstadt_AirLiner-Direktbus_Faltblatt.pdf.

You can pay the driver as you board. Most drivers speak some English to me. But the cost is 9 E something. So, just hand the driver 10 E or 20 E bill and wait for the change. Make sure to buy the ticket as I have seen inspector couple times on the bus. They start checking you right after the bus leaves T2.That all makes sense, I appreciate all the replies, it appears it's a relatively simple journey on the Airliner to Darmstadt.

I'm looking forward to comparing Sharks with my usual haunt Artemis. Just a shame I'm going on a Lingerie day (Tuesday) as I prefer the ladies being fully naked.

Thanks again & I will write up a report on the trip. Amazingly I could be there on 31st Aug /1st Sept too if all goes well!

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07-13-18, 04:05
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Akibono
07-13-18, 05:05
She started at Sharks on January 2015, after escorting a bit. FKK years are like dog years, for girls.

To Pistons, even fast and sometimes big money, sometimes more than 20000 per month for some busy superstars, but women should not have to do this bad job, if they have had a positive childhood, or not been born in a poor country, or not met a pimp, or not having a child with father who ran away. Not easy money, they will never forget, their body will never forget. Some will have problem to have a baby later. They just learn how to make money fast. Is this money really for their future life?You are being far to simplistic. All jobs have risks and rewards. There are plenty of girls who go on to a good life. Unfortunately, the fast money of the job, attracts the short time thinkers. Those same people will have problems wherever they go. If you have the bad judgement of getting pregnant and having lover boy leave, that bad judgement will spill over into any job you take. It is not the job, but the person and her skills that make the difference. Don't blame the game, blame the player.

Sirioja
07-14-18, 00:27
You are being far to simplistic. All jobs have risks and rewards. There are plenty of girls who go on to a good life. Unfortunately, the fast money of the job, attracts the short time thinkers. Those same people will have problems wherever they go. If you have the bad judgement of getting pregnant and having lover boy leave, that bad judgement will spill over into any job you take. It is not the job, but the person and her skills that make the difference. Don't blame the game, blame the player.I don't think little girls in Romania or Moldovia or Bulgaria, wish to become a prostitute to make fast money. If they had good parents who protect them and help them to get a good education, and I thank my parents for this, they may have a different life. Highest education level Romanian girls don t work in brothels. Most of brothels WGs really can t compete for Nobel award, some are pregnant at 20 yo with father who run away.

Being fucked for money is not a normal job, not the best for own image. Only good point is fast money.

Maybe Sandra thought she has been enough fucked. I remember marks on her arms and legs, certainly not from falling from a horse. I think if she had a normal childhood, we would have never known her at Sharks or even as escort.

Sirioja
07-14-18, 06:32
Please let me know if Anya, Lexi or Linda still working in sharks or any other clubs.

Thank you.I didn't see Albanian Anja on my last visits in June. 5 days on 2 week ends.

I don't know who are the 2 others.

No Sandra. De seen, only Mandy on a Friday.

A Hungarian team with 4 girls, with Lora.

Pistons
07-14-18, 07:16
Exactly. Go to a brothel. Suck some fat old tourist's dicks and let them fuck your ass. Then turn to the government and tell them to get you a decent job. That's the secret behind Germany's economic strength.Wise words indeed!

Jnpr30 and Donald Trump should take note. It might even save the world one day.

Member #4581
07-14-18, 16:44
Wise words indeed!

Jnpr30 and Donald Trump should take note. It might even save the world one day.Seriously, Pistons?! RN just made fun of your prior comment in the most ruthlessly sarcastic manner! Do you not understand English or does the concept of sarcasm escape you?

You keep railing against some straw man feminists (without having a clue of what a feminist even means) every second post, and I am Donald Trump now!

(That last sentence is sarcastic, in case you don't get sarcasm. It is not an admission that I am Donald Trump now).

NorseLord
07-15-18, 04:34
Hey guys,

How is the aircondition situation in the rooms at Sharks now?

Any better? I see a lot of people complaining about it earlier in the thread.

Pistons
07-16-18, 09:54
Seriously, Pistons?! RN just made fun of your prior comment in the most ruthlessly sarcastic manner! Do you not understand English or does the concept of sarcasm escape you?

You keep railing against some straw man feminists (without having a clue of what a feminist even means) every second post, and I am Donald Trump now!

(That last sentence is sarcastic, in case you don't get sarcasm. It is not an admission that I am Donald Trump now).Nobody said you were Donald Trump. But RN came up with a great idea for him to save the faltering US economy and at the same time keep American mongers at home instead of travelling atound the world without a sense of humor. And where irony is a foreign word in the dictionary.

Canary
07-16-18, 12:50
Hey guys,

How is the aircondition situation in the rooms at Sharks now?

Any better? I see a lot of people complaining about it earlier in the thread.This would interest me too as I'm visiting Sharks for the first time on 7th Aug, 1st Sept & if I like the place 2nd Sept too.

Being a bigger place than say Artemis should help with people who don't like all the smoking but with poor air con in this weather it would be an interesting situ?. Unless you enjoy sweaty sex!

Presumably most ladies wouldn't object to using an outside arena at night if it's too hot?

Takedown
07-16-18, 14:51
Hey guys,

How is the aircondition situation in the rooms at Sharks now?

Any better? I see a lot of people complaining about it earlier in the thread.No change again this year. It starts to cool around 6-7 pm. It's not all that hot outside with the breeze but without ventilation, the inside remains stuffy hot. Only 3 the 6 caves had a working A/C unit.

RichCandyMan
07-17-18, 05:24
Monday in Sharks.

Yesterday went to Sharks, kind of empty not many girls. Too. Had session with Marsha OK session.

Bar services not at par long waiting for drinks.

Like more clubs in Bremen small but friendly.

Turgid
07-17-18, 07:54
I've been in Frankfurt close to 2 months now and have done more 100 euro 1 hour sessions than I would have liked but my best sessions so far have been with girls who agreed to 50 euro half hour sessions with CFS, BBBJ and DATY; their attitudes and service have been better.

Lhaxas
07-17-18, 16:57
Do the girls at sharks allow COF, or is it mostly just CIM and COB?

Lefeu
07-17-18, 19:36
I've been in Frankfurt close to 2 months now and have done more 100 euro 1 hour sessions than I would have liked but my best sessions so far have been with girls who agreed to 50 euro half hour sessions with CFS, BBBJ and DATY; their attitudes and service have been better.I was there a few weeks ago, and I paid 100 Euros almost every time. I think it's fair since I insist on specific services, such as BBBJ, DATY, kissing, and multiple positions. The attitude also tends to be better since they are making more money.

On this trip, I tried also Globe in Zurich, and I found the eye candy and service to be much better there, but at much higher prices. I paid 95 CHF fior entry and 140 CHF for a 30 min session.

Der Auslander
07-17-18, 19:42
I was there a few weeks ago, and I paid 100 Euros almost every time.100 Euro for 30 minutes or 1 hour?

Lefeu
07-17-18, 19:46
100 Euro for 30 minutes or 1 hour?For 30 min.

Ortos
07-17-18, 19:52
For 30 min.100 e for 30 minutes? That's funny: I was at Sharks "a few weeks ago" also, I think I made 8 visits in 10 days: I had lots of 100 e sessions with excellent service, but each session I got 60 minutes, not 30 minutes. Are you sure we were at the same club?

Lefeu
07-17-18, 20:11
100 e for 30 minutes? That's funny: I was at Sharks "a few weeks ago" also, I think I made 8 visits in 10 days: I had lots of 100 e sessions with excellent service, but each session I got 60 minutes, not 30 minutes. Are you sure we were at the same club?I was not implying in my message that prices have gone up. I usually visit the FKKs once a year, and I typically select girls that are really eye candy, in my view. I consider myself very picky. Since I like eye candy, I noticed that at 50 Euros for 30 min, I don't get much in terms of service, but when I offer 100 Euros I get much better service. That is my argument.

BigBuddy69
07-17-18, 20:26
I pay 40 € for 30 min and I can have very good service in Aca, that's my argument. If you're paying 100 € for 30 minutes without any extras, you're getting screwed.

Takedown
07-17-18, 20:45
Shark's line up on Sunday was dismal for top optics. The hottest girls were honestly the bleached, silicone blondes. There was a lack of natural hot girls.

I tried California blonde Mickey with nice natural boobs for half an hour and she provided an acceptable half hour room with no kissing. Not passionate in the half hour room but also not devoid of responsiveness.

Melissa is a nice brand new addition. With fire red hair and a month in the business, she provided a great one hour session with responsive fucking, a wet pussy, and a hand-pumping mouth-vacuum BJ. Warning: she spent 2 weeks at Oase before coming to Sharks and learned the upsell tier system fast. She attempted the 50 euro upsell for kissing but can be negotiated down with a hour offer. She did take a young Taiwanese newbie for 200 euro and he tipped her on top of that! Saw her take a couple of guys for 15 minute rooms but they did not seem upset at the lockers. Hot natural body, awesome one hour room once negotiated down.

Sirioja
07-17-18, 22:48
I was there a few weeks ago, and I paid 100 Euros almost every time. I think it's fair since I insist on specific services, such as BBBJ, DATY, kissing, and multiple positions. The attitude also tends to be better since they are making more money.

On this trip, I tried also Globe in Zurich, and I found the eye candy and service to be much better there, but at much higher prices. I paid 95 CHF fior entry and 140 CHF for a 30 min session.For sure, Globe is higher level for looks and level in bed, but no upselling experienced at Sharks, 1 h 100 € for enjoyable GFE time is my standard there. I even found what I call a really top class girl on mid June, we had 3 1 hour 100 € rooms on 2 week ends, but she didn't want to be fucked with everything for 50 or even 100, so she didn't want to stay.

I was surprised to see a quite slow business on mid June week end, when casting was really not bad. Even sexy Elen was not busy, sitting at the bar.

UltraHappy
07-17-18, 23:35
If you had offered 100 Euros for 1 hour, in most cases, you would have received just as good treatment from the girls.

Sure, for 100 Euros for half an hour, they really loved you. But, in general, the girls view 100 Euros for an hour as a much better deal than 50 Euros for half an hour.

Heck, if you want to save a little cash next time, you could just split the baby and try offering 120 for an hour and I assure that almost every girl will treat just as special (but no CIM of course) as you were being treated for 100/30. But, even that is not necessary in my opinion, even with most high optic girls.

Up to you of course.


I was not implying in my message that prices have gone up. I usually visit the FKKs once a year, and I typically select girls that are really eye candy, in my view. I consider myself very picky. Since I like eye candy, I noticed that at 50 Euros for 30 min, I don't get much in terms of service, but when I offer 100 Euros I get much better service. That is my argument.

Turgid
07-18-18, 07:43
If you had offered 100 Euros for 1 hour, in most cases, you would have received just as good treatment from the girls.

Sure, for 100 Euros for half an hour, they really loved you. But, in general, the girls view 100 Euros for an hour as a much better deal than 50 Euros for half an hour.

Heck, if you want to save a little cash next time, you could just split the baby and try offering 120 for an hour and I assure that almost every girl will treat just as special (but no CIM of course) as you were being treated for 100/30. But, even that is not necessary in my opinion, even with most high optic girls.

Up to you of course.The girls never give you the full time you pay for. If you pay for half hour you get 20 minutes and if you pay for 1 hour you get 40 minutes max. So Lefeu paying 100 euros for half hour is not bad, in fact it may be quite sensible as the girl, elated for being paid 100 euros for a half hour, will give him superb sex for a full 30 minutes.

Sirioja
07-18-18, 09:50
The girls never give you the full time you pay for. If you pay for half hour you get 20 minutes and if you pay for 1 hour you get 40 minutes max. So Lefeu paying 100 euros for half hour is not bad, in fact it may be quite sensible as the girl, elated for being paid 100 euros for a half hour, will give him superb sex for a full 30 minutes.Your experience, but not mine, maybe because I'm a slow guy in bed, taking all my time to kiss, to caress, to taste for how long need to drink her juice, because I know then she doesn't behave the same, she wants to please back and won't rush, but ask most of time if I don't want to stay longer, even when she is tired from sporty sex, but asking if I m not interested for a second round? If I really enjoyed her, usually I prefer to repeat about 3 hours later, if she is exceptional, then I stay to repeat with her.

At Sharks, my standard room is a very full 1 hour, which is a bit short for my games, for 100, but not for 45 mn. At GT, 1 very full hour, which is quite short for all my foreplay, when I find a real GFE, then 1 hour won't be enough. Even GT busy superstar Kate, she knows what I like and works on my rhythm for sex, becoming more and more woman behavior for me, for 1 very full hour rooms, since 3 years on next September, for 100 and we never speak about money.

When LR was GFE land in Germany, I had 1 h10 rooms for 100 , and 1 h45 rooms for 150 without extras asked.

I m sure our behavior pay with girls, like money, in FKK land, even at Globe where 15 mn more are 70 CHF, offered by busy superstar Katalina, or Megan.

UltraHappy
07-18-18, 12:07
I hear this comment a lot, but as I've commented before, I never understood it.

I always stay in the room until I am ready to leave. The girls do not decide when my time is up. I decide this.

Neither the girl nor I know when I am going to leave the room until the moment I say, "Ok, let's go!"

So, a girl cannot tell me my time is up because she has no idea whether I will be in the room for 1 hour or 5 hours. If a girl were to tell me that my time is up at 45 minutes, then she could potentially lose out on an 4 extra hours!

Frankly, all this talk about the girls cutting off time early makes absolutely no sense to me. How is the girl supposed to know how long I intend to stay in the room when I don't even know this?

And even if a girl were to decide that time was theoretically up at the 45 minute mark, how is she going to get paid if I don't get up and follow her like a puppy dog to the lockers? Is she going to stand at the lockers while I hang out in the room? I've never had a girl try this on me.

Every single girl I go with stays in the room with me until I tell them that the time is up. In fact, they cannot do otherwise, because they have no idea how long I plan to stay in the room.

If guys are having their time cut-off so-to-speak, then in my opinion, those guys are doing something wrong.


The girls never give you the full time you pay for. If you pay for half hour you get 20 minutes and if you pay for 1 hour you get 40 minutes max. So Lefeu paying 100 euros for half hour is not bad, in fact it may be quite sensible as the girl, elated for being paid 100 euros for a half hour, will give him superb sex for a full 30 minutes.

Takedown
07-18-18, 12:34
The girls never give you the full time you pay for. If you pay for half hour you get 20 minutes and if you pay for 1 hour you get 40 minutes max. So Lefeu paying 100 euros for half hour is not bad, I think most people can attest that when you pay for 1 hour you more often than not get a full 1 hour. No need to exaggerate.

Der Auslander
07-18-18, 19:25
I think most people can attest that when you pay for 1 hour you more often than not get a full 1 hour. No need to exaggerate.This too has always been my experience!


I always stay in the room until I am ready to leave. The girls do not decide when my time is up. I decide this.My experience also. You know what you are about and have got game.


At Sharks, my standard room is a very full 1 hour, which is a bit short for my games, for 100, but not for 45 mn. At GT, 1 very full hour, which is quite short for all my foreplay, when I find a real GFE, then 1 hour won't be enough. Even GT busy superstar Kate, she knows what I like and works on my rhythm for sex, becoming more and more woman behavior for me, for 1 very full hour rooms, since 3 years on next September, for 100 and we never speak about money.Well done Sir! You also know what you are about and have game.


If you had offered 100 Euros for 1 hour, in most cases, you would have received just as good treatment from the girls.Agree completely!

ExpatLover
07-18-18, 19:28
I hear this comment a lot, but as I've commented before, I never understood it.

I always stay in the room until I am ready to leave. The girls do not decide when my time is up. I decide this.

Neither the girl nor I know when I am going to leave the room until the moment I say, "Ok, let's go!"

So, a girl cannot tell me my time is up because she has no idea whether I will be in the room for 1 hour or 5 hours. If a girl were to tell me that my time is up at 45 minutes, then she could potentially lose out on an 4 extra hours!

Frankly, all this talk about the girls cutting off time early makes absolutely no sense to me. How is the girl supposed to know how long I intend to stay in the room when I don't even know this?

And even if a girl were to decide that time was theoretically up at the 45 minute mark, how is she going to get paid if I don't get up and follow her like a puppy dog to the lockers? Is she going to stand at the lockers while I hang out in the room? I've never had a girl try this on me.

Every single girl I go with stays in the room with me until I tell them that the time is up. In fact, they cannot do otherwise, because they have no idea how long I plan to stay in the room.

If guys are having their time cut-off so-to-speak, then in my opinion, those guys are doing something wrong.I am fully on line with you, I exactly behave the same.

Canary
07-18-18, 19:31
Having visited Artemis on a number of occasions I've finally managed to book a first visit to Sharks in three weeks time.

Other than the usual standard rules (I appreciate not everyone does this) of agreeing the activities & price beforehand, not telling the girls it's your first time etc etc, is there any specific tips for Sharks anyone could offer me as a first time visitor please?

I'm going next month on a Tuesday then later in the month on a Saturday (plus the following Sunday if's worth it).

Thanks.

Sirioja
07-18-18, 20:51
I pay 40 for 30 min and I can have very good service in Aca, that's my argument. If you're paying 100 for 30 minutes without any extras, you're getting screwed.You can have 40 mn with Deria. Tu, my first Turkish girl, exceptional sensual, for 40 € at Aca on November 2015, if there was a ATM, I would have kept her until 5 am, and 2 hours at Globe for 560 with Isabella I like since February 2014 at Sharks, then World, then Globe.

Ex Alice at Aca is now Beatriz at Globe, from 40 to 140.

McAdonis
07-18-18, 21:50
If a girl were to tell me that my time is up at 45 minutes, then she could potentially lose out on an 4 extra hours!

How is the girl supposed to know how long I intend to stay in the room when I don't even know this?
I agree that getting only 40 minutes on a 60 minute room is wrong.

If a customer orgasms, I believe most WGs would expect that the customer will expect the customer to leave at the next 30 minute increment, especially if the customer is not much for small talk. So if a customer orgasms at the 35-40 minutes mark, the WG would probably expect that the customer will want to leave around the 50-60 minute mark. The WG would should ask the customer if he wants to go for round two or want a massage before "packing up" herself.

For customers that don't orgasm, then the WG really can't know. She probably assumes that most customers will want to make the best effort to orgasm, taking as much time as they need, or retrying multiple times. Maybe fucking three hours with minimal rest break. Of fuck 40 minutes, rest 20 minutes, fuck 40 minutes, rest 20 minutes. Some customers like to just talk, drink, smoke or do drugs together.

Some WGs, typically the younger ones, know long rooms will give them more money with less pussy pounding, but they really don't like being bored by customers who they might find creepy, old, annoying. The cultural or generational gap does not make things easier. So they might prematurely abort even on long rooms, setting a cap on the room. The older WGs who are older and outside of their peak-earning years know long-room whales may not come around as often as years past. They may also have learned "patience".

UltraHappy
07-19-18, 04:51
I am really flummoxed by all these people who are claiming that the girls are ending their sessions early because (1) this never happens to me and (2) I am quite puzzled as to how this is occurring in the first place since this can only happen if the man decides ahead to announce his intention regarding room time -- which naturally leads me to the following questions: (1) why would a guy communicate ahead of time a time cap to his girl? And (2) how does the guy know ahead of time that he isn't going to have such a good time that he isn't going to want to stay longer than his supposed pre-determined time cap?

Me, I never know ahead of time how I long I want to stay in a room. Thank goodness FKK isn't a prepay system -- otherwise, I'd have to keep going out to my locker every half hour!

In my experience, the girls I go with don't ever suggest leaving the room because (1) they want to stay in the room and keep earning money (or so I assume) and (2) they can't suggest when to leave because they have no idea how long we will stay in the room.

And yes, I don't always use the full time up to the next half hour increment, but to be clear, this is because I choose to leave early, not because the girl has called time or imposed some sort of time cap.

Danny227
07-19-18, 06:34
Having visited Artemis on a number of occasions I've finally managed to book a first visit to Sharks in three weeks time.

Other than the usual standard rules (I appreciate not everyone does this) of agreeing the activities & price beforehand, not telling the girls it's your first time etc etc, is there any specific tips for Sharks anyone could offer me as a first time visitor please?

I'm going next month on a Tuesday then later in the month on a Saturday (plus the following Sunday if's worth it).

Thanks.If you managed Artemis, then sharks is much easier to manage. Same rules apply only less up sell by the girls and better service normally. Also depends in your spending habits.

DaWong949
07-19-18, 18:22
Having visited Artemis on a number of occasions I've finally managed to book a first visit to Sharks in three weeks time.

Other than the usual standard rules (I appreciate not everyone does this) of agreeing the activities & price beforehand, not telling the girls it's your first time etc etc, is there any specific tips for Sharks anyone could offer me as a first time visitor please?

I'm going next month on a Tuesday then later in the month on a Saturday (plus the following Sunday if's worth it).

Thanks.Pretty much in the same way you were in Artemis. Take your time, talk to them before you go to room. Tuesday is slow day so you will have advantage there. Saturday can be busy day though.

Have fun.

Sirioja
07-19-18, 20:53
If you managed Artemis, then sharks is much easier to manage. Same rules apply only less up sell by the girls and better service normally. Also depends in your spending habits.Never been because too far on a week end, from Paris, but I thought Artemis was a good level, big club, with good girls like Geraldine. Hu. My lovely friend Liz. De is ex Artemis. Upselling land?

Kempie
07-19-18, 22:46
I am really flummoxed by all these people who are claiming that the girls are ending their sessions early because (1) this never happens to me and (2) I am quite puzzled as to how this is occurring in the first place since this can only happen if the man decides ahead to announce his intention regarding room time -- which naturally leads me to the following questions: (1) why would a guy communicate ahead of time a time cap to his girl? And (2) how does the guy know ahead of time that he isn't going to have such a good time that he isn't going to want to stay longer than his supposed pre-determined time cap?

Me, I never know ahead of time how I long I want to stay in a room. Thank goodness FKK isn't a prepay system -- otherwise, I'd have to keep going out to my locker every half hour!

In my experience, the girls I go with don't ever suggest leaving the room because (1) they want to stay in the room and keep earning money (or so I assume) and (2) they can't suggest when to leave because they have no idea how long we will stay in the room.

And yes, I don't always use the full time up to the next half hour increment, but to be clear, this is because I choose to leave early, not because the girl has called time or imposed some sort of time cap.Maybe it's all because of the different behave off race and type of people. In general Germans for example don't need to stay in the room and talk after their finished. For what I understand they are very clinical. They do their thing and when they finish they leave and don't fill the rest of the time talking. So there might be more things for the girls that are very common with some type of men. For the girls it's also a guess like this. What type of man is this, what does he want? If a men don't express him self the women does not know what he wants and takes the most easy way and goes out of the room as soon as the man is finished. But girls also know that their are men who need this so. Communicate to the girl that you want to fill the rest of the session.

And she might stay thinking if she stay's to the end and treath's her client well she might have a regular client.

So it might be the girl you pick but it might as well be your own fault because of lack of communication. This might be the key why some guy's have totally general experience then other guys. Communication or the lack of it or some might just attract the wrong types, the women who go for the quick bucks.

ExpatLover
07-20-18, 09:12
Maybe it's all because of the different behave off race and type of people. In general Germans for example don't need to stay in the room and talk after their finished. For what I understand they are very clinical. They do their thing and when they finish they leave and don't fill the rest of the time talking. So there might be more things for the girls that are very common with some type of men. For the girls it's also a guess like this. What type of man is this, what does he want? If a men don't express him self the women does not know what he wants and takes the most easy way and goes out of the room as soon as the man is finished. But girls also know that their are men who need this so. Communicate to the girl that you want to fill the rest of the session.

And she might stay thinking if she stay's to the end and treath's her client well she might have a regular client.

So it might be the girl you pick but it might as well be your own fault because of lack of communication. This might be the key why some guy's have totally general experience then other guys. Communication or the lack of it or some might just attract the wrong types, the women who go for the quick bucks.I think that you are wrong most of the germanvguys will stay the full time in the room contrary to many guys from UK, Ireland, Russia, US etc. Who will leave after the things are done.

Turgid
07-20-18, 20:10
So there I was relaxing on the couch, drink in hand, soaking in the ambiance and enjoying the parade of nubile bods. Then I spied her blonde, enticing enough face, not skinny but not fat, just the way I like them. She had accosted me in the past but I didn't bite for some reason, I thought to myself. I looked at her and from the distance she pointed her index finger to me and then to herself repeating the gesture a few times as these girls are wont to do inquiring whether we could have relations. Usually I ignore them when they do this (just come up to me and chat, I won't bite you!) however, I had been in the club for 2 hours and had not yet had a session so I nodded to her. She came and plopped down beside me. In the introductory remarks I asked where she was from and she refused to respond and it dawned on me that I had spoken to her on other occasions and she did the same thing which probably had a role in my previously declining her. Her pre-room chit chat was not very encouraging. However, a room was overdue and when she asked what she could do for me I enlightened her as to all my thrills. She nodded in acceptance and I responded half hour, fifty euros she agreed and we were off to the zimmer.

It was very hot and I had in mind a room with a window to which we headed; on the way I spied a fan in another room, grabbed it and plugged it into my room of choice. So with breeze from within and without the logistics were agreeable. As soon as we were naked on the bed she shoved her tongue into my mouth and a smile came to my mind; this portends a good session. I was wrong, it was a great session! Her BBBJ was unrelenting. I rewarded her with 69 during which she deep throated me at which point I closed my eyes and thought I had been transported to Brazil.

She partook of CFS like a real trooper, no fake moans but genuine enjoyment in numerous positions which she enthusiastically agreed to and even initiated. I thought to myself that I would extend it to a 1 hour session but with her at the corner edge of the bed lying on her side and me with legs spread apart on the floor pumping her while holding up her head with my right hand and DFKing her at the same time my soldiers came rampaging on towards the breach, dear friends. I knew it was within the half hour mark, indeed it was about 28 minutes.

Ten years ago I would have tried for a second round but I knew I could not manage that especially after battles in recent days. So off to the lockers we went. This girl definitely deserved more than 50. I remember having in my wallet in addition to my 50 E notes, 30 euros. At the locker I realized I had used a 20 with a fifty to pay the entrance so in fact I had 15 euros. I thought whether to tip her 50 euros or 15. Without much thought I tipped her 15 euro which she heartily accepted.

On my way to the showers I thought that the 15 e tip was manifestly unfair as I had done much more and had greater enjoyment in that half hour than all the 100 euro sessions I had done since May. I am here for another few weeks and I really think I should somehow rectify that with this lovely bombshell.

Optimist
07-20-18, 20:20
Turgid. Thank you for your report which cheers me up by confirming that it is still worth looking for the good girls. I am so soft I would probably have repeated several times with her as a thank you to her LOL.

UltraHappy
07-20-18, 23:36
So it might be the girl you pick but it might as well be your own fault because of lack of communication. You seem to misunderstand my post. I was not complaining about girls cutting my sessions short. You might want to reread the posts below.

Pistons
07-21-18, 00:48
Never been because too far on a week end, from Paris, but I thought Artemis was a good level, big club, with good girls like Geraldine. Hu. My lovely friend Liz. De is ex Artemis. Upselling land?One can say a lot about Artemis, but it is not upselling land. Unless it just started being so this year that is.

Member #4581
07-21-18, 01:36
It is not so much that the girls know how much time you want to spend in the room, but that they want to process the guys fast. First, to 60% of the girls (perhaps even higher) 30 minutes no longer means 30 but more like 20 or 23. So, by the 15th to 20th minute, they either would like to finish you or start making noises that you are coming close to the end of time and would you like to extend? I wear a watch and make a show of looking at my watch when I enter the room but that doesn't seem to matter. They cheat blatantly and claim only 5 minutes are left when I know I still have 10 to 12 on the clock. If you happen to extend to an hour, they do the same charade from the 40th to 45th minute.

Yes, you can stay back in the room till the last minute or take her to the front desk but what can you do when majority of the girls pull this slimy stunt? The mood goes down fast. Just have to live with it, as another sign of service degradation in the clubs.

I usually stay till at least last 4,5 minutes but I also know some of the girls are not so happy. Tough luck. But some other guys may be less willing to put up with the whiny girls and would rather leave the room.

Roxana asked me "you always stay till the last minute? Girls don't like it you know?! 30 minutes is really 20 min, may be 22". And that is after I was with her many times. Refreshingly honest, Roxana is 😎😎

I think you don't run into these issues UH because you are well known and perhaps you select new girls (to you) very carefully and perhaps those girls know what to expect with you from their friends. I know you say you are less known in Sharks but even there perhaps you are much more of a regular than most guys. But almost guaranteed that the same girls who give you good service and stay till you give OK are hustling the touristy types and cheating them on time.

UltraHappy
07-21-18, 04:06
It is not so much that the girls know how much time you want to spend in the room, but that they want to process the guys fast. First, to 60% of the girls (perhaps even higher) 30 minutes no longer means 30 but more like 20 or 23. So, by the 15th to 20th minute, they either would like to finish you or start making noises that you are coming close to the end of time and would you like to extend? I wear a watch and make a show of looking at my watch when I enter the room but that doesn't seem to matter. They cheat blatantly and claim only 5 minutes are left when I know I still have 10 to 12 on the clock. If you happen to extend to an hour, they do the same charade from the 40th to 45th minute.
I don't talk ever talk about extending to the next half. If they were to ask, I would just make clear that I pay for how long we stay in the room. If we stay half an hour, I pay half an hour. If we stay an hour, I pay an hour. If we stay 5 hours, I pay 5 hours. Thus, it doesn't make sense for them to ask me if I am going to "extend or not. " I would not respond to those types of questions other than to say that I will pay how long we stay in the room. Normal.

If I am in the room and girl did say something silly like, "You have only 2 minutes left" (when I really have 15 minutes left) -- though I have not observed this personally -- then, I would simply ignore her comment, let her know that I will pay her how long we are in the room, and continue to stay in the room however long I want. Then, at the lockers, I would pay her the correct amount, corresponding to how long we were in the room, and if she doesn't like me paying her the correct amount, then we can go to Reception.

A girl can get away with time cheating only if the man lets her. It doesn't matter what the girl claims the time is. You can just stay in the room how long you want and when you get to the lockers, you just pay her how long you were in the room.

If a girl tells me every five minutes that my next half hour is up, I'm not going to pay her 250 Euros after spending 25 minutes with her in the room. If we actually spent only 25 minutes in the room, I will hand her a crisp 50 Euro bill (despite the fact that she claimed we spent a half hour every five minutes).

You don't pay a girl for the time she "claims" you were in the room with her -- You pay her the time you were actually in the room with her. If I'm in the room with a girl for 1 hour and she claims that we were in the room for 2 hours, I will still naturally pay her for only 1 hour (not for her claimed 2 hours).

These are all hypothetical scenarios though because I can't remember these sorts of situations happening. I am just saying what I would do in the scenarios being described here.

Optimist
07-21-18, 04:31
Just for information, my experience is exactly bthe same as UH. Although I do, when I decide it is appropriate, make surprise "thank you" extra payments with girls I am a regular customer for and who give something special.

Girls who start asking about extra time or make false timings reduce their chances of earning more than 50 to almost zero.

But like Jnpr30, a couple of regular girls have told me that girls don't like to have to do the full 30 minutes. What next?. Why not pay 50 euros without going to the room. I am sure the girls would like that.

ExpatLover
07-21-18, 07:44
Just for information, my experience is exactly bthe same as UH. Although I do, when I decide it is appropriate, make surprise "thank you" extra payments with girls I am a regular customer for and who give something special.

Girls who start asking about extra time or make false timings reduce their chances of earning more than 50 to almost zero.

But like Jnpr30, a couple of regular girls have told me that girls don't like to have to do the full 30 minutes. What next?. Why not pay 50 euros without going to the room. I am sure the girls would like that.I think you a veteran of the P6 scene, especially the young and new girls are willing to finish as fast as possible and to leave the room, fortunately this happen to me very rarely just because I am behaving like a gentleman, respecting the girls, taking my time, asking questions, listening to their answers and minutes after minutes the girls are opening their mind, feeling better and better and not willing to leave but rather to extend.

Just try to make a kind of ratio, percentage of girls willing to be fucked like a dog, *****, in their ass, percentage of girls willing to be treated like a woman, with respect, with attention.

So many are willing to go out with me, even have a relationship, no because I am rich or beautiful just because I am listening to them, respect leads to respect and obviously the service that I am getting is at least what I think far better than for many other mongers.

Saturn11
07-21-18, 14:44
One thing I did notice was a lot of the Teeny Boppers (18 to 20 year olds) were no longer there including Linda and her brunette friend. Hopefully does not have anything with new laws or regulations. Her brunette friend was Magda, they left early January but I don't think it had anything to do with the new regulations. Those 2 were in inseparable when they weren't in a room. I miss Magda.

Member #4581
07-21-18, 16:46
Your original question UH was "how do the girls ever shortchange a guy on time, how can it happen?" So, I provided one explanation and scenario. There may be many others. It is not a justification. And being short changed on time pi$$es me to no end. I don't care if they don't give DFK, DATY, dada because they are not mandated by clubs rules; but if I pay for 30 min I am entitled to 30 min.

Sadly and I am prepared to lay down any large bet on this, if you average over *all the sessions in Oase and Sharks in a month*, a 30 min session actually last less than 25, and perhaps even closer to 20. That is just the reality.

Relative to your specific situation, I think there are 2 big differences:

1. being prepared to stare down and accept the strife that comes with it.

2. Being a well known member and selecting new girls carefully.

Most guys don't like strife and unpleasantness in a sex session. Hard core career mongers are different, but this is true over the total population in my view. Here the girls are at an advantage. Sex is a business to them and not personal; and if they create the strife and play out their drama, it would succeed with a large majority. Yes, every once in a while they come across someone strong like you, but statistically they are in good position if it works on even 50% of men. Paying 50E for 30M is 1.67E per min, for 25 M is 2E per min, and for 20m is 2.5E per min. Effectively, they raised their prices by 50% if they reduced session length from 30m to 20M. That is a price hike for which they don't mind creating some unpleasantness and strife. Especially if the guy is not known, who they think is unlikely to repeat because he is a tourist, or they think is too weak willed and likely to accept with a smile.

Secondly, if this happened in every single room with you, even you might tire of such a situation but your regular attendance and careful selection preclude that prospect. If a tourist has to achieve the same level, he has to invest as many attendances, as many sessions to become equally known. In other words, this is like a perk that comes to a million mile passenger and not to the first time flier.

Saturn11
07-21-18, 17:13
Almost all my recent 1 hour sessions have been less than an hour at Sharks, I've noticed it more the last few months than before. Normally the girl starts packing up after about 40 - 45 minutes and gets up says "let's go or shall we go?" I could say "No" and demand an hour but somehow I imagine if I did that the last 15 minutes would be a bit awkward. The rooms have been so hot recently, I've not been too upset at getting turfed out early to be honest.

Be Wilder
07-21-18, 22:23
My man isn't that Lithuanian Karina you're thinking of? That description fits her to a t. Latvian Angelika is not very tall and has shark's biggest butt.No it was definitely Angelika and she does have the largest and wobbliest arse going. Guess my description about her being tall may have misled you but easy to get mistaken with the high heels. Back later this week and as mentioned, I did find Angelika strangely very erotic so may repeat if she's still around though possibly in a threesome if she has a young girlfriend willing to do some mother / daughter roleplay!

UltraHappy
07-21-18, 22:48
Almost all my recent 1 hour sessions have been less than an hour at Sharks, I've noticed it more the last few months than before. Normally the girl starts packing up after about 40 - 45 minutes and gets up says "let's go or shall we go?" I could say "No" and demand an hour but somehow I imagine if I did that the last 15 minutes would be a bit awkward. The rooms have been so hot recently, I've not been too upset at getting turfed out early to be honest.How did the girl know that you weren't going to stay 2 hours?

If you told her ahead of time that you were only staying an hour, then it seems to me that you created the opportunity for her early departure.


Relative to your specific situation, I think there are 2 big differences:

1. being prepared to stare down and accept the strife that comes with it.

Most guys don't like strife and unpleasantness in a sex session. In my situation, we never have the opportunity to get into a pissing match or the unpleasantness of me "forcing" a girl to stay an extra 15 minutes in the room, because the girl never packs up early in the first place, because as I've explained many times before, the girl never has any idea how long we will be in the room. Therefore, she has no opportunity to know when the appropriate time to start packing up would be, because there is never any moment when she knows whether we will be leaving during the current half hour or 2 hours from now. This is my experience even in clubs where I am completely or mostly unknown like Sharks.

The girl can only suggest an early departure if she knows ahead of time when the guy is planning to leave. Therefore, this behavior by the girl can only occur if the guy willingly enables it.

Be Wilder
07-21-18, 22:51
I'm hopefully coming to Frankfurt later this week from Wed-Fri play and flying back on Sat pm.

Earmarked Oase for the prime Fri slot as it was my favourite on my last trip. Normally like to start at Palace on my first day as it is easier / cheaper transport wise and as I get in the afternoon, I probably won't reach the club until 6 pm and so lack of an outdoor area is less of an issue. However, I always enjoy Wednesday nights at Sharks as there is a high turnout of girls and the only time I've been disappointed with the line up at Sharks was on a Thursday. It may have been a one-off but can Sharks regulars please let me know if there is much difference on numbers of girls between a Weds and a Thursday?

Member #4581
07-22-18, 01:43
In my situation, we never have the opportunity to get into a pissing match or the unpleasantness of me "forcing" a girl to stay an extra 15 minutes in the room, because the girl never packs up early in the first place, because as I've explained many times before, the girl never has any idea how long we will be in the room. Therefore, she has no opportunity to know when the appropriate time to start packing up would be, because there is never any moment when she knows whether we will be leaving during the current half hour or 2 hours from now. This is my experience even in clubs where I am completely or mostly unknown like Sharks.

The girl can only suggest an early departure if she knows ahead of time when the guy is planning to leave. Therefore, this behavior by the girl can only occur if the guy willingly enables it.Well, it is good for you that girls behave well with you. However, I would not call it a pissing match (it can't be a pissing match if the guy wants to have what is rightfully his; I would call it deceitful behavior by the girls instead) and I would definitely not blame the guys that it is their fault somehow for having the session cut short. It happens, it happens to many men, and this behavior is widely prevalent in my view.

Girls don't need to be told by the guy how long he intends to stay. From the 15th or 20th minute onwards and assuming the guy did not shoot yet, they begin making noises and movements to pack up and leave imminently. If the guy says I want to extend beyond 30 min, they will go along but do the same exact thing between the 40th to 50th minute. This was an exact depiction of my session w/ Adele in Oase; first she stopped at around 20th min, and when extended w/ an extra in fact, she still stopped around 50th min and said "you are not going to finish, you can go till tomorrow morning" and with that backhanded compliment, just peeled off the condom ad that was that. None of that was enabled by me.

And if the guy finished at the 16th minute or 44th minute, technically he is entitled to more time but 99% of the girls think they can pack up and leave ASAP.

UltraHappy
07-22-18, 02:56
If the guy says I want to extend beyond 30 min, they will go along but do the same exact thing between the 40th to 50th minute. Well, for one, I don't say I'm going to extend for half an hour. If I am asked about time, I simply say I will pay for how long we stay in the room. This way, the girl doesn't have an expectation of a certain end point.

Ok, I will stop beating this topic to death now. I've said enough (ok, too much). Back to reports of Sharks girls. Sorry for my spam in the Sharks thread.

Tuber19
07-22-18, 08:54
If I am asked about time, I simply say I will pay for how long we stay in the room. This way, the girl doesn't have an expectation of a certain end point.

.Great idea and inspiring. Usually when a girl (new one) ask me in the room how long and I like her looks. Then I say one hour. I choose only girls I want to reapet with. But two things make me stop repeating (1) normal service (2) cheating on time.

I don't argue about time because I'm here to have fun and there are lots of girls so I just take it as a bad choice.

But ill do your strategy UH. That way the girls can't cheat on time 👍.

Canary
07-22-18, 09:26
Well, it is good for you that girls behave well with you. However, I would not call it a pissing match (it can't be a pissing match if the guy wants to have what is rightfully his; I would call it deceitful behavior by the girls instead) and I would definitely not blame the guys that it is their fault somehow for having the session cut short. It happens, it happens to many men, and this behavior is widely prevalent in my view.

Girls don't need to be told by the guy how long he intends to stay. From the 15th or 20th minute onwards and assuming the guy did not shoot yet, they begin making noises and movements to pack up and leave imminently. If the guy says I want to extend beyond 30 min, they will go along but do the same exact thing between the 40th to 50th minute. This was an exact depiction of my session w/ Adele in Oase; first she stopped at around 20th min, and when extended w/ an extra in fact, she still stopped around 50th min and said "you are not going to finish, you can go till tomorrow morning" and with that backhanded compliment, just peeled off the condom ad that was that. None of that was enabled by me.

And if the guy finished at the 16th minute or 44th minute, technically he is entitled to more time but 99% of the girls think they can pack up and leave ASAP.Although I'm not as experienced in FKK venues as some having only been 5/6 times (to the same venue) my successful tactics have never altered.

I always tell a girl I've never partied with before that I will only initially book 30 minutes although I often prefer longer sessions. I give the reason that it's better just in case the chemistry doesn't work (real meaning is whether I'm totally enjoying myself.) Often I also add that there have been rare occasions where a girl try's to short change me on time or the agreed services, so if that happens I then haven't wasted too much time or money with a 30 minutes booking.

My experience in using these tactics has been that I very rarely have had any problems with being short changed in time.

Also this keeps the girl guessing and usually gives her an incentive to make me happy.

However when the service has been just OK and it doesn't interest me in extending the 30 minutes some girls feel a bit "put out" as they know they have failed & ask why. I just make up an excuse to save their face.

I do really like bookings of 1-3 hrs and can genuinely say that adopting these tactics using a polite smiley manner I have never wasted money on a poor performing girl.

Ortos
07-22-18, 09:33
However, I always enjoy Wednesday nights at Sharks as there is a high turnout of girls and the only time I've been disappointed with the line up at Sharks was on a Thursday. It may have been a one-off but can Sharks regulars please let me know if there is much difference on numbers of girls between a Weds and a Thursday?I would say, almost emphatically, from my recent visits to Sharks on Weds / Thurs / Fri: The girl (and guy) numbers are markedly higher on Weds vs Thurs. (However, general "mongering conditions" might be higher on a Thurs specifically due to the lower attendance numbers!)

However, if one of your goals in visiting Sharks is to session with a specific girl (s), as your post below about Latvian Angelika of the large buttocks might indicate: it is far more likely you will encounter her working at the club on a Weds (also Fri) rather than on a Thurs. This is especially relevant to girls who do NOT live / sleep in the club girl sleeping quarters, because there is a cadre of girls that actually live / sleep everyday at the Sharks girl dormitories, and who tend to be working almost every day, whilst there are many other regular (more independent) girls that do not sleep at Sharks, and come and go as they wish. I believe your Latvian target fits into the second more independent group.

ExpatLover
07-22-18, 09:56
Well, it is good for you that girls behave well with you. However, I would not call it a pissing match (it can't be a pissing match if the guy wants to have what is rightfully his; I would call it deceitful behavior by the girls instead) and I would definitely not blame the guys that it is their fault somehow for having the session cut short. It happens, it happens to many men, and this behavior is widely prevalent in my view.

Girls don't need to be told by the guy how long he intends to stay. From the 15th or 20th minute onwards and assuming the guy did not shoot yet, they begin making noises and movements to pack up and leave imminently. If the guy says I want to extend beyond 30 min, they will go along but do the same exact thing between the 40th to 50th minute. This was an exact depiction of my session w/ Adele in Oase; first she stopped at around 20th min, and when extended w/ an extra in fact, she still stopped around 50th min and said "you are not going to finish, you can go till tomorrow morning" and with that backhanded compliment, just peeled off the condom ad that was that. None of that was enabled by me.

And if the guy finished at the 16th minute or 44th minute, technically he is entitled to more time but 99% of the girls think they can pack up and leave ASAP.Sorry but this happen more or less never to me, usually after I came I am saying to the girl I will go shower and come back and she in 99 percent of the cases is telling me that she will also go refresh herself and we will meet several minutes later in the same room. I never ask a girl what she is doing and never I long I will stay in the room.

Turgid
07-22-18, 13:11
I am a great lover of the German providers so any chance I get I session one. That happened recently when I spied this tall well tattooed damsel sitting in what I call the non-Romanian zone around the bar area near the water dispenser. Approached her, named Gina and ascertained that she was German. My record with Germans is exceptional and decided on not much banter, suggested a 50 euro half hour romp and we were trekking to the zimmer. In the zimmer we apprehended the usual suspects – BBBJ and DATY and dispensed with them in about 5 minutes and delved into CFS. To my great surprise after no more than 20 minutes in the room my date says to me that my time is almost up. What a surprise! Is the Romanian / Bulgarian modus operandi spreading to the Germans? This was a first with a German for me. That totally killed my mood and I decided not to waste a nut on this frau. I said to her – you're wrong, my time IS up.

Paid 50, washed up and sauntered to the same zone with drink in hand. After a few minutes an obvious German with a white corset sits next to me. I immediately chat her up, she's from Nuremberg and will be visiting Sharks on weekends. Again, I want to waste no more time and we agree to a half hour 50 euro session. In the room DFK is followed by BBBJ and DATY and then CFS. This babe is exceptional and we have perfect chemistry so that I nut even within 20 minutes! At this time we clean up and she lies on the bed and I next to her and we chat. This was the best GFE I have had on this trip. I actually think she likes me (I sometimes flatter myself that way). Definitely worth a repeat.

ExpatLover
07-22-18, 14:25
I am a great lover of the German providers so any chance I get I session one. That happened recently when I spied this tall well tattooed damsel sitting in what I call the non-Romanian zone around the bar area near the water dispenser. Approached her, named Gina and ascertained that she was German. My record with Germans is exceptional and decided on not much banter, suggested a 50 euro half hour romp and we were trekking to the zimmer. In the zimmer we apprehended the usual suspects BBBJ and DATY and dispensed with them in about 5 minutes and delved into CFS. To my great surprise after no more than 20 minutes in the room my date says to me that my time is almost up. What a surprise! Is the Romanian / Bulgarian modus operandi spreading to the Germans? This was a first with a German for me. That totally killed my mood and I decided not to waste a nut on this frau. I said to her you're wrong, my time IS up.

Paid 50, washed up and sauntered to the same zone with drink in hand. After a few minutes an obvious German with a white corset sits next to me. I immediately chat her up, she's from Nuremberg and will be visiting Sharks on weekends. Again, I want to waste no more time and we agree to a half hour 50 euro session. In the room DFK is followed by BBBJ and DATY and then CFS. This babe is exceptional and we have perfect chemistry so that I nut even within 20 minutes! At this time we clean up and she lies on the bed and I next to her and we chat. This was the best GFE I have had on this trip. I actually think she likes me (I sometimes flatter myself that way). Definitely worth a repeat.Don t fall in this trap, she doesn't like you but your money, may be she is also not German native, if you don t believe me just try to session her for free.

Be Wilder
07-22-18, 14:30
Iwould say, almost emphatically, from my recent visits to Sharks on Weds / Thurs / Fri: The girl (and guy) numbers are markedly higher on Weds vs Thurs. (However, general "mongering conditions" might be higher on a Thurs specifically due to the lower attendance numbers!

Thanks. Confirms my belief that in terms of numbers Wed has a bigger turnout than Thursday. In fact I've never noticed anydifference between a Wed and a Fri / Sat at Sharks. So it should be:

Wed Sharks.

Thurs Palace.

Fri Oase.

Shame there is no Saturday!

Kuni042
07-22-18, 21:05
I had two really good laughs. But that aside. I often have very poor timing experience with older germans. The worst was so far in Hamburg, after 5 min she said your time is up (and I was hoping to get 20 min for 50 e). But in fact, I have not yet experienced that in Sharks.


HERE: I said to her you're wrong, my time IS up.

and HERE: I actually think she likes me (I sometimes flatter myself that way).

Sirioja
07-22-18, 21:54
For fans, Brenda / Lea is back, very slim with flat ass, but still with amazing lungs. Also Dilek and ex Elektra and some others for big tits competition.

Average casting on this Saturday 20 July, not on same level than on mid June, no more Eve, her friend telling: you think she lied to you? When she had rooms only with you. She lost money every day she stayed at Sharks, but didn't want to work for everything asked for sex, not a job for her.

I had to work very hard to find a desirable girl on this Saturday, but even complicated with her, it became enjoyable when she lost control. Also had Judit. Hu at the end of the night, and they went to bang the door to say: finished. When we returned from the room, lights were on in the lounge, different Sharks, she asked if I would come again? I miss my too short time new Eve, so long time to find her, so elegant and classy Romanian woman.

Viorica is now red head.

ExpatLover
07-23-18, 00:10
For fans, Brenda / Lea is back, very slim with flat ass, but still with amazing lungs. Also Dilek and ex Elektra and some others for big tits competition.

Average casting on this Saturday 20 July, not on same level than on mid June, no more Eve, her friend telling: you think she lied to you? When she had rooms only with you. She lost money every day she stayed at Sharks, but didn't want to work for everything asked for sex, not a job for her.

I had to work very hard to find a desirable girl on this Saturday, but even complicated with her, it became enjoyable when she lost control. Also had Judit. Hu at the end of the night, and they went to bang the door to say: finished. When we returned from the room, lights were on in the lounge, different Sharks, she asked if I would come again? I miss my too short time new Eve, so long time to find her, so elegant and classy Romanian woman.

Viorica is now red head.Thanks, for me Brenda tits are really sagging too much for such a young girl, sessioned her one time but the chemistry between us was not there so never repeat, saw Elektra, may from Greece many times in June. Every year the LU is down from 15 of June to 15 of September.

Howie
07-23-18, 04:49
For fans, Brenda / Lea is back, very slim with flat ass, but still with amazing lungs.I'm a big fan of Brenda/Lea but alas it'll be a few more weeks before I'm back in Germany. Anyone kind enough to ask her how long she is staying for would be a great help as I would love to see her again on my next Sharks visit.

Howie

Turgid
07-23-18, 22:14
......................... Also had Judit. Hu at the end of the night...............................Judit told me DFK, BBBJ, DATY, CFS is 100 euros. I asked her for how long, she said half hour. Pass. Good thing I did for later I had two really good sessions each half hour, 50 euros.

Citizen Kane
07-24-18, 19:39
Trying to put a name to a girl;

Shortish black hair, slim build, average height, very pretty face (imo), a few tattoos most noticeably a pair of swallows (the birds) on her upper back.

Looks attractive but I suspect not a great session just from her general vibe. Could be wrong.

Any ideas?

Thanks.

ExpatLover
07-24-18, 19:59
Judit told me DFK, BBBJ, DATY, CFS is 100 euros. I asked her for how long, she said half hour. Pass. Good thing I did for later I had two really good sessions each half hour, 50 euros.For me the things are very easy, I just pay extra for anal and CIM, \I never ask the girl before what she is doing or not, just go to the room see how the things are going and I can decide to leave after 5 minutes or stay 10 hours but for 100 euro per hour. For sure I am spending a lot of money but as a old divorced guy I can do with it what I want.

Rovereto
07-24-18, 20:45
Trying to put a name to a girl;

Shortish black hair, slim build, average height, very pretty face (imo), a few tattoos most noticeably a pair of swallows (the birds) on her upper back.

Looks attractive but I suspect not a great session just from her general vibe. Could be wrong.

Any ideas?

Thanks.I don't remember her name but, if I've correctly understood who you refer to, she is the most beautiful girl at sharks in my opinion (not my preferred girl BTW).

I did one session with her. Not a great feeling (maybe my fault), but very good DFK. Doesn't talk much. Worths a try at least, and if there is chemistry, many other try.

ExpatLover
07-24-18, 21:09
I'm a big fan of Brenda/Lea but alas it'll be a few more weeks before I'm back in Germany. Anyone kind enough to ask her how long she is staying for would be a great help as I would love to see her again on my next Sharks visit.

HowieFor me at least Brenda is a very unpredictable girl, I don't believe she is able to tell you what she will do in several weeks even she is able to manage her daily agenda. Now if she is really your favorite better you get her whatsapp or phone and contact her directly.

Rocky V
07-24-18, 21:53
Trying to put a name to a girl;

Shortish black hair, slim build, average height, very pretty face (imo), a few tattoos most noticeably a pair of swallows (the birds) on her upper back.

Looks attractive but I suspect not a great session just from her general vibe. Could be wrong.

Any ideas?

Thanks.That would be Corinna Hun. Very pretty and one of the most popular girls IMO. I've always had amazing sessions with her.

Rock.

NNC1701
07-25-18, 12:28
Western Europe is going though a bit of a heatwave in combination with quite a drought and I'd seriously avoid Sharks in this kind of weather. Few rooms have air conditioning, and fucking is like fucking inside a greenhouse.

Even if it starts to rain (no significant rain has been forecasted for the next 7 days anyway), then it will really get hot and humid inside, and it will require weeks and weeks of cooler temperatures for the heat-soaked building and rooms to cool down.

Sharks is a nice place during the late autumn, winter and early spring, but during the summers it sucks.

NF4591
07-25-18, 21:16
Gents. I will be in Frankfurt starting tomorrow (Thursday, 26 July), and am trying to decide if I should go to Oase or Sharks on Thursday. I will definitely be at Sharks on Friday, and probably Saturday, so thinking of going to Oase on Thursday. But some recent reports suggest some very Sharky behavior and poor service, which would really kill the mood for me.

I am posting the same question on the Oase thread: I know every day and every man is different, and the lineups cannot be predicted, but what would you do?

NNC1701
07-26-18, 08:02
But some recent reports suggest some very Sharky behavior and poor service, which would really kill the mood for me.Sharky behaviour is becoming more and more the norm, thanks to the uninformed tourists who flood Germany who have no problem to pay E100 for 30 minutes with kissing.

If you go to Sharks, I hope you like HEAT and that you don't sweat easily: expect rooms to be boiling hot!

Sharks is basically a converted warehouse with these aluminium panels on the side and a flat roof, so during the summer the sun will be toasting that building from sunrise till sunset. It's like fucking inside a giant aluminium tool or garden shed that has been baking in the sun! For me it's a total mood-killer.

Wosche
07-26-18, 10:46
Do the ladies try to sell BBBJ as extra?

Citizen Kane
07-26-18, 16:47
Western Europe is going though a bit of a heatwave in combination with quite a drought and I'd seriously avoid Sharks in this kind of weather. Few rooms have air conditioning, and fucking is like fucking inside a greenhouse.

Even if it starts to rain (no significant rain has been forecasted for the next 7 days anyway), then it will really get hot and humid inside, and it will require weeks and weeks of cooler temperatures for the heat-soaked building and rooms to cool down.

Sharks is a nice place during the late autumn, winter and early spring, but during the summers it sucks.Strange isn't it. The owner has invested a lot of money in the club over the years but doesn't seem to want to put AC in the rooms. Even World did it a couple of years back.

Turgid
07-26-18, 21:11
The thermometer in Frankfurt read 96 degrees today. It felt hotter!

Optimist
07-26-18, 21:13
Do the ladies try to sell BBBJ as extra?I don't pay. I don't know what other people experience.

Sirioja
07-26-18, 22:18
Do the ladies try to sell BBBJ as extra?No upselling for BBBJ at Sharks, sometimes with some girls for DFK.

TankTank123
07-26-18, 22:28
The thermometer in Frankfurt read 96 degrees today. It felt hotter!And no air seems to come out at all from the standing fans in the rooms, despite the whirring noises. I tried the fans in 3 rooms on Wednesday, and they were equally hopeless; the club must have been cheated by the supplier. I gave up after being soaked from head to toe during a session like being in a sauna, and left very early.

In World the day before (Tuesday), I enjoyed all my sessions as there was a light breeze in the garden to cool the beds in the garden; and alternating with the garden sessions, I used the air-conditioned rooms. During hot spells in the future, I will certainly avoid Sharks, and concentrate on World instead.

PussyLiccker
07-27-18, 03:12
Trying to put a name to a girl;

Shortish black hair, slim build, average height, very pretty face (imo), a few tattoos most noticeably a pair of swallows (the birds) on her upper back.

Looks attractive but I suspect not a great session just from her general vibe. Could be wrong.

Any ideas?

Thanks.Definitely Corinna, the Hungarian (as I've heard) like others state. I had similar vibe and was interested of course, but never triggered due to same reasons. I heard people say she provides good service, but I just don't get the right vibe to even approach really. Hey, she maybe one of those types once the door closes, it's wedding night. Who knows. LOL. Her friend was quite friendly though.

I know she's been at Sharks for awhile now, usually hangs at the 5 O'clock (close to the German speakers section), the usual and minute Hungarian part of the bar.

Kevinzkz
07-27-18, 06:57
Gents. I will be in Frankfurt starting tomorrow (Thursday, 26 July), and am trying to decide if I should go to Oase or Sharks on Thursday. I will definitely be at Sharks on Friday, and probably Saturday, so thinking of going to Oase on Thursday. But some recent reports suggest some very Sharky behavior and poor service, which would really kill the mood for me.

I am posting the same question on the Oase thread: I know every day and every man is different, and the lineups cannot be predicted, but what would you do?Planning to going to Sharks or Oase on Friday, but it's really hot today. Does anyone have idea that will it be OK there? Or is there any FKK club in Frankfurt who has enough air conditioner? Thanks!

FunExplorer
07-27-18, 12:13
Do the ladies try to sell BBBJ as extra?I do not pay anything extra. I should talk to the girl before going to room to avoid misunderstanding.

ExpatLover
07-27-18, 17:28
Do the ladies try to sell BBBJ as extra?The most beautiful girls, I mean, fresh, natural without sili, bot ox. Will not perform BBBJ in a 50 euro session except you are very pretty and they like you very much.

Turgid
07-27-18, 23:16
Despite the scorching weather recently I have been having some very good encounters at Sharks none better than with my latest friend, Analina from Romania, who said she is new to Sharks. She and others have renewed my faith in Romanians. In the past couple weeks I have been exercising patience and have discovered that there are girls who will give good service who can be found if you use your better judgment. I believe that I am a bit different from most blokes on this forum. They go for looks and are quite satisfied to spend hours romancing these babes. That is not what I go to FKKs for; I go to bang girls as hard as I can in all conceivable positions and cap it off with a nut. That is what gives me enjoyment, if I want amorousness with a woman I will go to a bar and pick up a future girlfriend. Now, I am not criticizing guys who seduce these women, I applaud them and understand that that's what gets them off. However, what thrills me is good chemistry with a woman which is achieved when she truly enjoys sex even if her main object is the money. Analina is one such, she made me do sexual things that I have not done in decades. I really look forward to another session with her but I have observed that she already has some other admirers whom I may have to compete with for her. Half hour, 50 euros, no holds barred.

FunExplorer
07-28-18, 07:11
I do not pay anything extra. I should talk to the girl before going to room to avoid misunderstanding.I meant you should talk to the girl before taking her to the room!

DeepalGghh
07-28-18, 14:37
Got a chance to be at this place. Took taxi from Frankfurt main which costed me 60 euros. Since we were 4 persons so shared the cost. Entered the premises and receptionist asked for 65 euros fees for each of the persons. Paid and went for shower, after keeping everything in locker roamed around to have the feel. Girls were nude everywhere and there must be around 70-80 girls. Some were pushy and approached us to have the deal and they were insisting on 100 euro per hour to have more relaxed experience. I had few normal drinks and then went to pool area. Since there were more girls inside to finally settled inside. Sat on the sofa, again a girl approached and she was damn cute. Negotiated kissing, BBBJ in 50 euros and went for the mission. Inside they again have rules, CIM while BBBJ will cost 100 euros blah blah blah. First did WOT, then finished with doggie. Paid the charges and went for shower again. Smoked few cigarettes and chit chat with friends. Later I approached 1 girl who was looking damn cute, negotiated again with few extras within 50 euros and again in the room. She has given me amazing blowjob. This time I insisted for covered as I was little scared of diseases. But she was too good and have eaten my balls too. Finished in missionary and paid her share. One was my friend getting late so left. Total time spent was around 4 hours. Ate nothing but just had few normal drinks. Almost every girl was from Romania. There were old ones too with lot of make up. Forgot to mention that I am Indian and I haven't seen any racism here. Moving to Prague now and will share my reports in different threads.

NF4591
07-29-18, 00:06
I went to Sharks this Friday and Saturday, and had a great time. I have been there several times over the past few years, but not often enough to be recognized by most girls. I did not have any bad sessions, all were fine or even excellent:

Marlyn (Phil) - she's a regular for me. We went outdoors to one of the partially exposed rooms with no walls, sheer curtains, surrounded by bushes. It was very hot outside, but there were a few light breezes. It would have been nice to have a fan but it wasn't terrible. We spent 2 hours, and did everything I wanted with no prior discussion since we've been together before. DFK, oil massage, BLS, rimming, FIV, fia, anal, and it was fun having her try to cool me down with a blow job and BLS with ice cubes in her mouth. Overall another great session, rating 9/10, would definitely repeat.

Lara (DE) - blonde, thin, wall of ink (tattoos) on her back, sits at the tall tables by the wall that separates the main bar and the cafeteria / kitchen. Some guys I met at the bar introduced me to her. She was fine overall: we spent an hour together and she was very German: competent and friendly, but not quite warm. Rating 6/10, would repeat if needing to have a release, but probably would not look for her. Maybe she's warmer in a repeat session.

Brenda (Ro) - long black hair (almost to her waist), very thin (her upper arms are the size of my wrists, and I'm not a big guy), with HUGE natural tits (probably DS or DDs) that hang (but don't sag) and are soft like pillows, with a pretty face. I had been with her a while back but she didn't remember me. I remembered her being a little cold and distant but I wanted a nice sight while fucking so I was open to trying again. She told me BLS and kissing would be +50, and she rejected my request for an oil massage because she says oil is too messy. Those were bad signs, but when we got to the room it was fantastic. She stuck to her rules, but did exactly what we agreed to and did it well. It was pure fun (3 pops in 2 sessions), with DFK, slow and tender BJ with lots and lots of spit as I requested, BLS, 69, Mish, CG, doggy, all with mirrors all-around in the small rooms where the kino used to be, with a couple of short breaks to talk / relax / hang out. The sight of her blowing me, licking my balls, tits swinging in CG or while being pounded in doggy. What great memories. I think she will be one of my regulars if we both find ourselves in Sharks again at the same time. Rating 8/10, would repeat.

MoneySign
07-29-18, 01:35
To those frequent hobbyists, has any of you seen the 19/20 yo 178 cm tall Romanian named Aliona (or Aliana) recently? When I saw her early this year, she was relatively new (about few months working there). I haven't seen her since. Someone posted her name in the lineup list, but that was back in January.

Pentire
07-29-18, 07:38
Back to back days spent at Sharks this weekend Friday and Saturday arriving for lunch around 13.00 and departing approximately eight hours later, goodness me it was hot; and yet some guys were sitting in the sauna and steam rooms. FFS.

Four 30 minute sessions both days with lengthy cooling down times including 2-3 minutes in the cold water plunge bath (next to the sauna) was my required method of working to rapidly reduce the body temp following an energetic encounter.

My eight encounters were with six different girls of whom two were barely ok, two very good and the other pair being excellent service providers. Those worthy of glowing reports whom I'd wholeheartedly recommend were:- Venus, a petite Romanian brunette in her mid 20's; such a pretty little thing whom rode me like a jockey along with sensual kissing and BBBJ. The other is Lynn; a new girl of African origin, she is an amazingly talented performer whom provided two exceptional GFE's. If you're into black girls (and she's the only one on duty at Sharks these days it appears) then Lynn has to be on your to-do list.

Food was good quality; especially the BBQ chicken, lamb chops and various sausages. Not so good was sharing food outside with the annoying wasps and oven like temperature in some of the rooms. Fans were working although, only effective in moving around warm air and those rooms which did have Air Con, the units were inoperable. I also tried a couple of the fresh aired curtained rooms outside, these were my preferred shagging pads however, not all of my chosen ones were happy to perform in these arears.

A common denominator for my best experiences was not agreeing to a fee in advance. Each time a girl informed me, if I expected our session to include kissing then a 100 was required, the reality was invariably disappointing compared to those girls whom just rolled with it and allowed me to reward them accordingly.

Danny227
07-29-18, 08:18
Never been because too far on a week end, from Paris, but I thought Artemis was a good level, big club, with good girls like Geraldine. Hu. My lovely friend Liz. De is ex Artemis. Upselling land?Artemis is a club with upselling and that's a fact. What you can get at other clubs in Germany for 100, cannot happen in Artemis. The club is big, beautiful, home to many young tourists, the club is well maintained. Girls type is different from Sharks or other clubs, the mix is more towards silicone girls vs natural girls. Can you describe Liz DE? A good session 1 hour in Artemis is no less than 170 IMO. But, different people have different need. Therefore, some pay more.

RichCandyMan
07-29-18, 15:22
Air condition not fan all this girl you see in sweat from other customers makes you think, licking balls or sweat from customers. I went to club around 6 waited for new girl did not care how she looked just wanted fresh girl went to room finished business. Well good luck as I was sweating like In sauna. Wonder if girls takes full shower.

TankTank123
07-30-18, 03:10
Lara (DE) - blonde, thin, wall of ink (tattoos) on her back, sits at the tall tables by the wall that separates the main bar and the cafeteria / kitchen. She was fine overall: we spent an hour together and she was very German: competent and friendly, but not quite warm. Rating 6/10, would repeat if needing to have a release, but probably would not look for her. Maybe she's warmer in a repeat session.Nope. Since 3 years ago, I have taken her 4 times. She got colder and colder each time, although service was still OK. Still refuses to DFK. I have given up on her. Pity, as I like her body.

Pistons
07-30-18, 03:20
Artemis is a club with upselling and that's a fact. What you can get at other clubs in Germany for 100, cannot happen in Artemis. The club is big, beautiful, home to many young tourists, the club is well maintained. Girls type is different from Sharks or other clubs, the mix is more towards silicone girls vs natural girls. Can you describe Liz DE? A good session 1 hour in Artemis is no less than 170 IMO. But, different people have different need. Therefore, some pay more.Plenty of Artemis girls have moved to or from clubs in western Germany such as Palace, sharks, GT, Paradise etc etc. And also globe and other clubs. The list of Artemis girls I have seen in these other clubs are at over 20.

ExpatLover
07-30-18, 05:19
Plenty of Artemis girls have moved to or from clubs in western Germany such as Palace, sharks, GT, Paradise etc etc. And also globe and other clubs. The list of Artemis girls I have seen in these other clubs are at over 20.Berlin is the capital of Germany, only 1 club, and high demand so high price but the LU is not for my taste, few fresh girls mostly veteran around.

Tedesco
07-30-18, 05:40
Can anyone tell me if Anjelica (over 40) is at sharks at the moment...….Tuesday, 24 July, she was there.

Tedesco
07-30-18, 05:44
.Well good luck as I was sweating like In sauna. Wonder if girls takes full shower.Don't worry, mals customers go on toilet and leave the toilet bowl after a some minutes session without washing hands afterwards but moving directly to the buffet. Enjoy both food and girls.

OffTheTrack
07-30-18, 09:26
Are Elektra (can't remember her new name) and Jessica (blonde ro) in attendance these days? Two of my favorites!

Wiild
07-30-18, 11:05
Girls type is different from Sharks or other clubs, the mix is more towards silicone girls vs natural girls. What are you guys view of type for the bigger clubs at the moment: Artemis / Sharks / Oase / Palace are big clubs that seem to be more full of barbie / bimbo type girls (silicone, big lips, long nails and heavy make-up) with Artemis in the lead. As I like barbie looks I am wondering where I should go after my artemis trip? Sharks is my number one contender. When it cools down, perhaps in sepember.

Sirioja
07-30-18, 12:00
Artemis is a club with upselling and that's a fact. What you can get at other clubs in Germany for 100, cannot happen in Artemis. The club is big, beautiful, home to many young tourists, the club is well maintained. Girls type is different from Sharks or other clubs, the mix is more towards silicone girls vs natural girls. Can you describe Liz DE? A good session 1 hour in Artemis is no less than 170 IMO. But, different people have different need. Therefore, some pay more.Liz. De is blond, blue eyes, round face, kind of shy smile. A 30 yo German with a Russian face. She is from Berlin, she worked at Artemis, then GT and Sharks. She was my July 2013 GF at GT, she always stayed so lovely, remembering how I always treat her. At Sharks on Summer 2015, when she had more weight, I didn't recognize her, so she told me about my Summer and Winter holidays. I thought: who is this girl who know so much about me? These girls remember about us.

A sweet and lovely German girl.

At GT or Sharks, I get at the moment 1 hour GFE rooms for 100 , wish again on this Summer at Wellcum for 140.

Nick The G
07-30-18, 14:15
Marlyn (Phil) - she's a regular for me. ...
We spent 2 hours, and did everything I wanted with no prior discussion since we've been together before. DFK, oil massage, BLS, rimming, FIV, fia, anal, and it was fun having her try to cool me down with a blow job and BLS with ice cubes in her mouth. Overall another great session, rating 9/10, would definitely repeat.No doubt about it, Marlyn is great if one likes this type of woman.

Two hours! I guess you have heard a lot of stories about her husband! Or the new ones about her father?

TankTank123
07-30-18, 14:38
Two hours! I guess you have heard a lot of stories about her husband! Or the new ones about her father?With her, 2 hours pass very rapidly. Unlike my experience with Lara mentioned 6 posts below, my sessions with Marlyn get hotter and hotter each time. I have mastered how to shut her up so that we could get more time on sex, which is probably why I have not yet heard the one about her father.

New story I got from her this year is why she is soon going to call it quits end of this year. If true, NF4591 will need to repeat quickly.

XXL
07-30-18, 14:39
... Artemis. The club is big, beautiful, home to many young tourists, the club is well maintained...Are you referring to Artemis? Because Artemis is a run-down club, hardly better than Acapulco in terms of facilities and food, only with ruder staff and much more smoke.

Nick The G
07-30-18, 18:00
New story I got from her this year is why she is soon going to call it quits end of this year. If true, NF4591 will need to repeat quickly.Sounds like an old story. She already wanted to quit end of 2017. Glad she didn't.

Sirioja
07-30-18, 19:35
Are Elektra (can't remember her new name) and Jessica (blonde ro) in attendance these days? Two of my favorites!Ex Elektra, now chestnut, more sexy, less vulgar than when fake blond, was at Sharks on Saturday 21 July, without Aylin. At.

Rebeka also. Brenda also. Dilek also. And some new others for big natural titties competition.

Danny227
07-30-18, 19:36
What are you guys view of type for the bigger clubs at the moment: Artemis / Sharks / Oase / Palace are big clubs that seem to be more full of barbie / bimbo type girls (silicone, big lips, long nails and heavy make-up) with Artemis in the lead. As I like barbie looks I am wondering where I should go after my artemis trip? Sharks is my number one contender. When it cools down, perhaps in sepember.Artemis in the lead. Then, in case they need to be German I would think Palace, but if you don't care where they come from, Oase has a bigger selection (but light on Germans) I think, but you'll be fine in all in case origin is negligible.

Danny227
07-30-18, 19:44
Are you referring to Artemis? Because Artemis is a run-down club, hardly better than Acapulco in terms of facilities and food, only with ruder staff and much more smoke.I am not sure when was the last time you were there, but that is far from accurate. Smoke in the main lounge is true. Staff is great (tourists might get different treatment as they are rude many times), facilities are spotless vs the dirty sauna in sharks, you have two new saunas that actually work, one outdoor. Steam sauna is the best from all the clubs, food is low on selection, true. But, it is still OK, always 3-4 things to choose and I am fine. The BBQ is excellent. Rooms are big and clean. Always fresh towels everywhere in the club.

Club is far from run down. I have not been to Acapulco for years, but Artemis wins easily. Again, it is a tourist club, so that is an issue for regular clients. Girls upsell and it is not cheap. But the club is top and it is managed top (spotless clean). Outdoor has no nature, just concrete, but it is OK, so in terms of outdoor it is not a winner.

Pistons
07-31-18, 01:26
Liz. De is blond, blue eyes, round face, kind of shy smile. A 30 yo German with a Russian face. She is from Berlin, she worked at Artemis, then GT and Sharks. Have to arrest you here. She doesn't look Russian at all, but a bit Swedish perhaps. I think she is part Swedish also.

RichCandyMan
07-31-18, 02:31
Choice chicken, turkey, steak or pussy.

Best choice is chicken.

Turkey is cold, steak no knife.

Pussy cost extra. And free ones are eaten too many times, so old and chewed.

Some how I like chicken.

NNC1701
07-31-18, 06:37
Nope. Since 3 years ago, I have taken her 4 times. She got colder and colder each time, although service was still OK. Still refuses to DFK. I have given up on her. Pity, as I like her body.I've been with Lara once a few years ago, it wasn't bad but I don't like the skinny look and the white pale skin with the tattoos. I'd rather go with her German friend Barbie, who also has tattoos but with a more suntanned skin and who has a much more voluptuous pornstar look with (tastefully done) silicone implants and jet-black hair.

Always great PSE with Barbie, who usually sits either at the beginning of the bar, close to entrance and restaurant area, or at a table ('German table') separating the restaurant from the main lounge.

ExpatLover
07-31-18, 08:18
I am not sure when was the last time you were there, but that is far from accurate. Smoke in the main lounge is true. Staff is great (tourists might get different treatment as they are rude many times), facilities are spotless vs the dirty sauna in sharks, you have two new saunas that actually work, one outdoor. Steam sauna is the best from all the clubs, food is low on selection, true. But, it is still OK, always 3-4 things to choose and I am fine. The BBQ is excellent. Rooms are big and clean. Always fresh towels everywhere in the club.

Club is far from run down. I have not been to Acapulco for years, but Artemis wins easily. Again, it is a tourist club, so that is an issue for regular clients. Girls upsell and it is not cheap. But the club is top and it is managed top (spotless clean). Outdoor has no nature, just concrete, but it is OK, so in terms of outdoor it is not a winner.Managed well by the HA, most of the girls have a fix relation with one biker, premises are great, staff so so, food bad, LU mostly veteran girls being fucked 10000 and more, not my cup of tea but why not. Great sauna and dampfbad.

Canary
07-31-18, 14:28
After visiting Artemis several times I'm now off to Sharks for the first time next Tuesday.

My review reports are not brilliant (done a few on Artemis) but if anyone who hasn't been to Sharks before is interested I will do a review upon my return?

Reading ISG the main differences between Artemis & Sharks seems to be Sharks having cheaper fee's with the girls, cheaper entrance fee, better food, better outdoor area and the club being less smoky.

I gather The Sharks staff can be a bit unfriendly although not sure about any differences in the wellbeing facilities?

The main perceived negatives I have is that around 80% of the girls at Sharks are Romanian & that it can be a "sweat box" at this time of the year?

Any Sharks visitors that have some tips specific to Sharks before I go, I would greatly appreciate their advise?

Ciccio1
07-31-18, 14:32
She's in Shark in these days?

Wiild
07-31-18, 19:55
Artemis in the lead. Then, in case they need to be German I would think Palace, but if you don't care where they come from, Oase has a bigger selection (but light on Germans) I think, but you'll be fine in all in case origin is negligible.Thanks Danny: origin is not so important, Germans are usually nicer to talk to but I am used to rather pushy / sharky Hungarians and Romanians too. .

Michaelj101
07-31-18, 21:41
New to the board. Been to Frankfurt once or twice a year for the past few years. I know a lot of things have changed but I think given the weather sharks is the place to be.

Traveling from California plan to be at Sharks Friday and Saturday possibly all day, 40 y black beard, middle eastern decent feel free to say Hi.

HeyyyyyyPaul
08-01-18, 04:41
40 y black beard, middle eastern decent feel free to say Hi.Half the clientele at sharks fits this description.

RichCandyMan
08-01-18, 04:50
I do not understand, but today 8 to 10 tourist from China or Japan came to club, 3 were sitting on my right and 4 were sitting on my left, so many girls came by asking for room fortunately they all went to room earlier and relaxing there but the point is they ask every asian man than skip me as I am not even there and move to next asian man and try to persuade him to go to room. Either its a magnet or easy money not sure why my 50 is different from their 50? Would management care about girls behavior at all.

ExpatLover
08-01-18, 05:50
Half the clientele at sharks fits this description.Shark is a Turkish club, full of migrants, mostly not eating pork, just a real nightmare.