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Hessen Bub
01-13-17, 14:59
So last year we heard doom and gloom about the new law going into effect which would stop AO clubs from advertising they're AO. Lots of posts on the board about how mongers need to make 'one last trip' etc..BBFS, BBBJ and advertising these things will definitely be banned from July 1st. That is a fact.
HB.
Neurosynth
01-13-17, 20:28
BBFS, BBBJ and advertising these things will definitely be banned from July 1st. That is a fact.
HB.True, but if BBFS happens only the man can be penalized. There aren't going to be sting operations. (Proposed scenarios are far fetched and inefficient.) And if there are blackmail attempts by providers offering BBFS, they will only work against men who are gullible and / or too free giving these girls real life ID. I.e. call their bluff and nothing will happen.
As I see it there will be two conflicting forces.
On the one hand market forces will be in play, and while BBFS will be a bit harder to find, and will be somewhat more expensive than before, the money to be made without the downside of penalties for the provider will push them towards providing it.
On the other hand Germans more than most are respectful of laws even if they disagree with them, and even if they are rarely enforced with sanctions.
My guess is the former will overwhelm the later, and BBFS will continue to be reliably available but more expensive than now.
ElephantBeer
01-13-17, 21:08
There is only one club in the whole of Germany, nay the world, that provides AO apparently. If that club were to close then it would be impossible to think of any other possibilities so we might as well stop reading the forums.Do you actually feel that you're adding to the conversation?
From what I see you regularly just subtract from them.
ExpatLover
01-14-17, 20:34
BBFS, BBBJ and advertising these things will definitely be banned from July 1st. That is a fact.
HB.Yes Hessen bub, what I don't understand you are more than a senior member and why are you not providing more wider and precise infos about the new law. In fact the thing will change very soon, for example in NRW the girls will have to sign a contract beginning of February and many girls who don't want to do it for privacy reasons are starting to move to Hessen. 1 stof July most of the serious girls will stop to provide BJ without condom like today most of them will not do sex or anal without. Even you will pay more they will refuse, this is at least what I understood from my last sessions in several Hessen Clubs.
PussyLiccker
01-15-17, 04:10
What are the conditions laid out by the contracts? Are you referring to AO clubs at the NRW?
ExpatLover
01-15-17, 06:14
What are the conditions laid out by the contracts? Are you referring to AO clubs at the NRW?No I am not referring to AO clubs, it seems that some regions or clubs start to implement the new law before the 1St of July pushed to do so by the authorities and the police. For example it seems that in NRW the girls need a contract from now on and some girls refuse it (don t want to have a contract stating that they were working in a FKK, they want to protect their privacy) they are now moving to Hessen etc. One monger also told me that a girl in who he is trustful, told him that in the coming weeks this rule will also be implemented in World and some girls are considering to become escort, I also heard that the girls will need to be 21 YO to work in the clubs. In conclusion, I believe that this new law will deeply change the global things in Germany and starting from now on and this was also the main target from the government.
Yes Hessen bub, what I don't understand you are more than a senior member and why are you not providing more wider and precise infos about the new law. In fact the thing will change very soon, for example in NRW the girls will have to sign a contract beginning of February and many girls who don't want to do it for privacy reasons are starting to move to Hessen. 1 stof July most of the serious girls will stop to provide BJ without condom like today most of them will not do sex or anal without. Even you will pay more they will refuse, this is at least what I understood from my last sessions in several Hessen Clubs.What is this new contract for girls in NRW? BBBJ is not only in many AO clubs around Düsseldorf. Will DATY be also forbidden? Fingering?
I didn't hear any of my NRW girls saying want to move to Hessen, when one in Hessen is starting thinking about moving.
Hessen Bub
01-15-17, 09:59
Yes Hessen bub, what I don't understand you are more than a senior member and why are you not providing more wider and precise infos about the new law. Nobody including the authorities knows exactly how the law will be executed. That's including me, being a senior member or not. ;) There's the facts like AO and BBBJ advertising ban, ban of uncovered sex including BJ, registration and mandatory health counsel for the girls, legal restraints for club owners. Everything else we will have to see.
There's no changes before July. What do the girls have to sign, any details? Guess the girl who told you about it got something wrong.
HB.
ExpatLover
01-15-17, 10:22
Nobody including the authorities knows exactly how the law will be executed. That's including me, being a senior member or not. ;) There's the facts like AO and BBBJ advertising ban, ban of uncovered sex including BJ, registration and mandatory health counsel for the girls, legal restraints for club owners. Everything else we will have to see.
There's no changes before July. What do the girls have to sign, any details? Guess the girl who told you about it got something wrong.
HB.Thanks for your comments but believe me the contract the girls will have to sign sooner or latter with the clubs starts to be a serious issue for several girls. Some are considering to stop working in the clubs.
Only time will tell. What is certain is that clients will be need to be more circumspect about reporting what goes on in a room.
Unless I am mistaken, the law only applies to paid sex, and I guess places where an entry fee is paid (for example swingerclubs)
Have any German colleagues read the detail and interpreted it in relation to swingerclubs?
PussyLiccker
01-15-17, 16:06
Paid sex should be defined as payment to the provider in exchange for sex. That's different from entry fees.
The law certainly does not apply to sex in a relationship, private sex between consenting couples, swinger clubs, and so on. It applies only to sex workers who make a profit from sex. Whether they also pay an entry fee is irrelevant, as is whether they are paid directly by the customer or by the establishment.
In conclusion, I believe that this new law will deeply change the global things in Germany and starting from now on and this was also the main target from the government.Certainly will for me. I come to Germany for AO sex, BBBJ, public sex, sex parties. If everything is covered I can get that pretty much anywhere, much closer to home.
Solo Traveler
01-16-17, 05:25
I do not do AO, so the new law to ban AO does not affect me.
However, just within the past few years, the law that ban Uber from operating forever in Germany is more surprising to hear.
The law was then enforced completely. Now, no Uber at all in Germany.
I admire the efficiency of law enforcement by the German government.
In the city where I live, our government ban Uber as well, but there are still tons of them running on the street everyday.
The law is there, but if no one in the government enforce it, nothing will change.
So, the law being made is one thing, the being enforced by police is completely another thing.
The law certainly does not apply to sex in a relationship, private sex between consenting couples, swinger clubs, and so on. It applies only to sex workers who make a profit from sex. Whether they also pay an entry fee is irrelevant, as is whether they are paid directly by the customer or by the establishment.Sven. Thanks very much.
UltraHappy
01-17-17, 00:10
The law was then enforced completely. Now, no Uber at all in Germany.
Just to be clear, many though not all cities in Germany have Uber. I just used Uber less than a couple of months ago in Germany, and it worked quite well. Whether Uber is available will depend on which city you are in.
Certainly will for me. I come to Germany for AO sex, BBBJ, public sex, sex parties. If everything is covered I can get that pretty much anywhere, much closer to home.I firmly believe that my frequent visits to Germany will also end on July 1st. I can live without AO, but I see absolutely no point in flying across the Atlantic for covered blowjobs- that is a deal-breaker for me.
I hope I am proven wrong, but I am convinced that after July 1st, both BBBJ and AO will become rare as a hen's tooth. I base this on the following:
1. As mentioned above, rules are followed in Germany.
2. There is absolutely no incentive for a girl to offer BBBJ or AO after July 1st to visiting tourists (locals who are frequent customers are a different story. I am not one of them however). BBBJ is entirely for the benefit of the punter. Thus, when asked for it, a girl can simply say that it is illegal and she will be in the right.
3. Most importantly, there is already precedent for this. BBBJ has been illegal in Bavaria for a long time. And if you read the reports of people who go to FKKs in Bavaria, all BJs are indeed covered. That is why almost no one goes there.
I am sure once in a blue moon a girl will still offer BBBJ, but it will take a lot of searching to find it, and as a tourist, I will not have time to weed through 20 girls to find one that does.
Again, I truly hope that I am wrong, but in the meantime I am trying to pack in a few more trips before summer arrives.
Don't forget Netherlands and Belgium as possible venues. Search neuken zonder kondom. After July 1 the opportunities may grow.
Hessen Bub
01-17-17, 16:50
BBBJ has been illegal in Bavaria for a long time. And if you read the reports of people who go to FKKs in Bavaria, all BJs are indeed covered. That is why almost no one goes there.Not true. There's plenty of BBFS in Bavaria. I have never had a covered BJ in Bavaria, no girl even asked for it.
HB.
Jimmy Boy 99
01-17-17, 17:05
Snip. 2. There is absolutely no incentive for a girl to offer BBBJ or AO after July 1st to visiting tourists (locals who are frequent customers are a different story. I am not one of them however). BBBJ is entirely for the benefit of the punter. Thus, when asked for it, a girl can simply say that it is illegal and she will be in the right. Snip.Not necessarily. There is a monetary incentive for the girl. What a non-regular could do is state in the initial chat that he only wants a 30-minute session because he does not like or want to waste time with a CBJ so he will just fuck her for 20-25 minutes, come, and go. The girl can then, if she wishes to earn more than a 50, let the guy know, either right there, or more probably in the room, that BBBJ is available for extra payment or if he stays for an hour session, and the guy can then decide if he wants to do so.
Regarding AO, the new law should not make any difference in getting it in current non-AO clubs, since it is already proscribed, but will be subject to negotiation in the room in formerly AO clubs.
Hessen Bub
01-17-17, 18:26
Regarding AO, the new law should not make any difference in getting it in current non-AO clubs, since it is already proscribed, but will be subject to negotiation in the room in formerly AO clubs.Which law (outside Bavaria and Saarland) is currently prohibiting BBFS?
HB.
Jimmy Boy 99
01-17-17, 19:13
Which law (outside Bavaria and Saarland) is currently prohibiting BBFS?
HB.Not a law. AFAIK, non-AO clubs proscribe doing it or advertising it openly (although it obviously sometimes happens in the room), and, if I remember correctly, someone posted about a girl being kicked out of a club for doing AO when management found out about it.
Which law (outside Bavaria and Saarland) is currently prohibiting BBFS?Funny question and that from you. But you're right (on the legal side) there isn't any other law. But RL scene (Milieu) makes own rules or why otherwise you delete every post in your own German forum if BBFS with a girl is mentioned and why isn't it (officially) allowed in the mainstream FKK clubs and girls get kicked out if known?
That mean there is a rule in German P6 scene!
ExpatLover
01-17-17, 20:35
Not necessarily. There is a monetary incentive for the girl. What a non-regular could do is state in the initial chat that he only wants a 30-minute session because he does not like or want to waste time with a CBJ so he will just fuck her for 20-25 minutes, come, and go. The girl can then, if she wishes to earn more than a 50, let the guy know, either right there, or more probably in the room, that BBBJ is available for extra payment or if he stays for an hour session, and the guy can then decide if he wants to do so.
Regarding AO, the new law should not make any difference in getting it in current non-AO clubs, since it is already proscribed, but will be subject to negotiation in the room in formerly AO clubs.Yes but to be more realistic just we have to look what is today happening in Ireland, London, Italy etc. 95% of the escorts or prostitutes will give you a BJ with condom this is the standard and I think the new standard in the German FKK will be with condom, what I personally don't like at all.
So last year we heard doom and gloom about the new law going into effect which would stop AO clubs from advertising they're AO. Lots of posts on the board about how mongers need to make 'one last trip' etc.
This year it appears the new ruling is aimed at further strengthening the law. What will the 'real' effects be on AO clubs in the NWR, like Dietz and others?Why do members seem to insist on using this club thread for general AO discussion which is not exclusively related to FKK Dietzenbach? There is after all a dedicated general AO discussion thread is there not?
Yet ever since this post above it seems to have induced 25 other posts which are similarly off topic. Now anyone tuning into this thread will not see the sort of information that he is looking for.
Maybe we should consider that by responding then we are encouraging those who seek to go off-topic?
Hessen Bub
01-17-17, 23:20
Keep calm. People started discussing the new law and and regulations in Bavaria / Saarland with the legal (situation in other parts of Germany. Sure the clubs do not allow BBFS, but there's no legal restrictions. Happy fucking!
HB.
Sorry for spoiling this thread with a field report... which maybe I should post somewhere else, possibly in "AO lounge and chat area" or similar...
Anyway, 10 girls only on duty: Dani, Dana, Valentina, Rebekka, Anna, Andrea, Vanessa, Karina, Maya and I don't remember the (useless) last one. Anyway, among the fuckable ones: no Selina, no Reyna; among the (useless) rest: no Mady, no Anka, no Susi, no-who cares. Alice was theke. The road is still closed by one side. Really a few customers. At an average funeral there would be more liveliness.
Valentina got a bit slimmer, Maya is expanding like the universe, Karina more on the left hip than on the right one, mistery of the wandering fat...
Anna is fairly pretty for a RTC, sufficiently cheerful, but IMHO her anti-stress boobs and her deep throat don't justify a visit to this club, 1-2 rooms with her are more than enough.
I must correct myself in my previous post: I saw Rebecca in laluna in june 2015, she is the very slim girl about whom I said the photoshop had swept away the white stains she had in the underpants area. She can't smile, doesn't even put on any make up, and I saw her refusing at least 4 customers (out of a total of about a dozen that I must have counted). I can't describe her face and joy with the 2 guys she allowed to zimmer her! Before and after! I am happy to say, first of all to myself, since I was doubting, that I never zimmered her!
In brief, at the moment going there is a wasted day.
P.S. To be honest, at the moment, with 4 girls in Romantika, 7 in Luderland, 8 in Verena, 8 in Arabella and I think roughly as many in Grimberg, travelling to Germany for RTCs is wasted time and money, the most significant thing to report is only the bloody cold
I firmly believe that my frequent visits to Germany will also end on July 1st. I can live without AO, but I see absolutely no point in flying across the Atlantic for covered blowjobs- that is a deal-breaker for me.
I hope I am proven wrong, but I am convinced that after July 1st, both BBBJ and AO will become rare as a hen's tooth. I base this on the following:.The new law may be a good thing so don't get all worked up about it until it takes place. AO has been around but in the last few years AO has gotten out of control. With it becoming more common it's being used as a bargaining tool and way for some women to get more customers. Recently I was informed at one of the big clubs that a guest came down with HIV. He got this via AO and claimed he was with just one gal thus knew who gave it to him. He's been trying to expose the gal and the club. Anyone who has come down with an STD while in Germany and gone to the doctor would know they ask for info such as "where did this happen". Since the hobby is legal some men give this info and the health department for Germany follow up on it. So it's having an impact such as this new law which is coming. The statistics are pointing at where this comes from and who got it from where. With the addition of the EU and the really poor countries getting easy access to the German club scene AO providers has exploded.
Many of the women welcome the new law as they want change. They don't so much mind BBBJ but worry more about condom-less sex. In fact one girl claimed she lost a customer when she refused to do AO to another gal who was offering it. It's not something most of the women will discuss openly with you because some of the clubs won't back them up if they complain AO is going on. Mandatory medical tests on a regular basis is a good thing for the hobby and has been done in Austria for years. I don't know about you but doing DATY on a gal who does AO is a huge crap shoot and increases the odds of problems. So it makes sense to know whose offering AO and what precautions to take. I've heard far too many women talk about how "some women" are screwing up the business doing exactly this.
As far as BBBJ going totally away I doubt that, creating a law and enforcing the law are two different things. Lets take for example the "smoking area law" which took place years ago. Some clubs have totally ignored that law while others abide by it, but who has enforced it?
Take care and safe punting.
, London, Italy etc. 95% of the escorts or prostitutes will give you a BJ with condom this is the standard l.Really?
Please provide your sources.
Most girls on adultwork, for example, provide BBBJ, and, dare I say, many also BBFS. Publicly stated.
In Chinese MPs, those who know where to go will get BBBJ, and in some cases even FS.
At well known Parties, most if not all BJs are uncovered.
So, unless you can support your statements with facts and sources, avoid making blank statements of this sort.
Vito Corleone
01-18-17, 10:59
Sorry for spoiling this thread with a field report... which maybe I should post somewhere else, possibly in "AO lounge and chat area" or similar...
Anyway, 10 girls only on duty: Dani, Dana, Valentina, Rebekka, Anna, Andrea, Vanessa, Karina, Maya and I don't remember the (useless) last one. Anyway, among the fuckable ones: no Selina, no Reyna; among the (useless) rest: no Mady, no Anka, no Susi, no-who cares. Alice was theke. The road is still closed by one side. Really a few customers. At an average funeral there would be more liveliness.
Valentina got a bit slimmer, Maya is expanding like the universe, Karina more on the left hip than on the right one, mistery of the wandering fat...
Anna is fairly pretty for a RTC, sufficiently cheerful, but IMHO her anti-stress boobs and her deep throat don't justify a visit to this club, 1-2 rooms with her are more than enough.
I must correct myself in my previous post: I saw Rebecca in laluna in june 2015, she is the very slim girl about whom I said the photoshop had swept away the white stains she had in the underpants area. She can't smile, doesn't even put on any make up, and I saw her refusing at least 4 customers (out of a total of about a dozen that I must have counted). I can't describe her face and joy with the 2 guys she allowed to zimmer her! Before and after! I am happy to say, first of all to myself, since I was doubting, that I never zimmered her!
In brief, at the moment going there is a wasted day.
P.S. To be honest, at the moment, with 4 girls in Romantika, 7 in Luderland, 8 in Verena, 8 in Arabella and I think roughly as many in Grimberg, travelling to Germany for RTCs is wasted time and money, the most significant thing to report is only the bloody coldGreat report EG!
Rebecca also worked at Acapulco before Luna.
EG. Good man. What gave you the weird idea of doing a field report. LOL.
ExpatLover
01-18-17, 20:38
Really?
Please provide your sources.
Most girls on adultwork, for example, provide BBBJ, and, dare I say, many also BBFS. Publicly stated.
In Chinese MPs, those who know where to go will get BBBJ, and in some cases even FS.
At well known Parties, most if not all BJs are uncovered.
So, unless you can support your statements with facts and sources, avoid making blank statements of this sort.Sometimes I don' t understand everything I am mongering for more than 20 years in many countries and met more than 300 escorts and I never met one in London or Italy who was willing to BJ without condom. Now I am living for more than 7 years in China, Wuxi, Suzhou, Beijing, Shanghai, of course you can find everything there and also without condom but I always refuse if she do it with you she will do with others. I am not a perverse guy, I just like beautiful girls and in the last 2 weeks I got great experiences in German FKK with several Romanians girls. I stop paying for escorts, I go to a FKK club and take 1 girl I like to the room and will spend several hours with her (far cheaper than any escort) and the service is just great.
Member #4585
01-18-17, 22:10
Yes but to be more realistic just we have to look what is today happening in Ireland, London, Italy etc. 95% of the escorts or prostitutes will give you a BJ with condom .Such bad luck.
Sometimes I don' t understand everything I am mongering for more than 20 years in many countries and met more than 300 escorts and I never met one in London or Italy who was willing to BJ without condom. Now I am living for more than 7 years in China, Wuxi, Suzhou, Beijing, Shanghai, of course you can find everything there and also without condom but I always refuse if she do it with you she will do with others. I am not a perverse guy, I just like beautiful girls and in the last 2 weeks I got great experiences in German FKK with several Romanians girls. I stop paying for escorts, I go to a FKK club and take 1 girl I like to the room and will spend several hours with her (far cheaper than any escort) and the service is just great.You are very unlucky. Or maybe because you don't want BBJ, which is perfectly respectable, to each his own, well, you don't get it.
Anyway, I can see that you do not argue with my facts, which can be verified on all websites including this one, just go to the relevant threads and you will see that your statements about London (I have no experience in Italy, so will not comment) are just plain wrong.
Since you are not interested, I will not offer to give you hundreds of places where you get BBBJ as standard in London.
Neurosynth
01-19-17, 16:46
Please move these generic discussions of BBBJ and AO to a general thread. Discussion here should be specific to Dietzenbach.
Speaking of which I was there the other day and finally had a chance to spend some time with Valentina. She is the counter-example to those who claim all the women at Dietzenbach are ugly or average at best. I think she would do fine working at one of the large FKK's. She has an interesting look though. I wouldn't be surprised if she has a grandfather or great-grandfather who was a Black GI or some such. Gorgeous though. You're probably not going to get much couch action from her. But behind closed doors she's as good a kisser as I've found at an FKK. Quiet (probably because she speaks *no* English LOL) but sexually very expressive.
ExpatLover
01-19-17, 20:57
You are very unlucky. Or maybe because you don't want BBJ, which is perfectly respectable, to each his own, well, you don't get it.
Anyway, I can see that you do not argue with my facts, which can be verified on all websites including this one, just go to the relevant threads and you will see that your statements about London (I have no experience in Italy, so will not comment) are just plain wrong.
Since you are not interested, I will not offer to give you hundreds of places where you get BBBJ as standard in London.Thanks but I stopped all Escorts dates etc. Just go to my favorite FKK in Germany, everything is legal 0 stress great girls and on top of that quite cheap, if a day I want anal very easy to get it if I want CIM very easy after many experiences for me German FKK is what is the most suitable.
Thanks but I stopped all Escorts dates etc. Just go to my favorite FKK in Germany, everything is legal 0 stress great girls and on top of that quite cheap, if a day I want anal very easy to get it if I want CIM very easy after many experiences for me German FKK is what is the most suitable.Fully agree, so not sure why you had to inject wrong comments on London on what if a German Thread.
And yes, this discussion have no place here, I should not have answered about guys coming all over the place with bloody lies, irritate me.
I was there today for the first time and had an overall mediocre experience.
For the 3,5 hours only had sex with Dana, nice face and ass, able to have a conversation and not just ask if I want to go to the room. The rest just didn't do it for me. Lousy conversations, no willingness to create interest, they just sat around talking among themselves or looking blankly into the air.
I'm not saying that they wouldn't perform well in the room, just that they made little effort in convincing me to go to the room in the first place.
While I was there, there was always more women than men. I'd say that the ratio between regulars / locals and foreigners was 50/50. I noticed that the younger girls with nicer bodies were even refusing / ignoring some foreigners, when they'd sat next to them, so I didn't even approach those. The rest of the girls was just not attractive for me, so I left having fucked only Dana.
I'm not saying that they wouldn't perform well in the room, just that they made little effort in convincing me to go to the room in the first place.This club has a strict no approach policy therefore you must go to the girls. And the Dietz girls offer for 30 euro full 30 minutes BBFS with included CIM and you expect they should make additional effort in convincing you to go to room with you. If you like this than you're in the wrong club.
This club has a strict no approach policy therefore you must go to the girls. And the Dietz girls offer for 30 euro full 30 minutes BBFS with included CIM and you expect they should make additional effort in convincing you to go to room with you. If you like this than you're in the wrong club.I think you should have said that this club is 'supposed' to have a strict no approach policy. This is actually the case for all RTCs like Dietzenbach but I found in Dietzenbach that some of the really unattractive women like Anka and Dani used to blatantly disobey this rule and pester newcomers because they found that guys wouldn't normally go with them otherwise.
In any case it is supposed to be a 'no approach' policy not a 'no warmth or no smiling' policy. Maybe because of the dwindling number of guys now going to the club the women have caught the general depressed mood that seems to be settling on the place and are no longer even bothering to try and attract guys to themselves? Unfortunately these girls are not blessed with FKK girl type looks and so need to at least make some attempt at attracting guys or newcomers like MrYouWho will, quite rightly, interpret this as being that he will get an equally disinterested performance in the room. So why take the chance?
Also saying that it is only 30 euros per girl is a complete misrepresentation of the true costs. You seem to have forgotten that you pay a 40 euro entry fee (it is only 30 euros at other similar clubs elsewhere in Germany). So if you go with 4 girls (a big ask as most guys only find a couple of girls there doable nowadays) then that is 40 euros per girl. It works out more if you go with less girls of course. Or you could not find any girls that you want to go with, as has been reported on here before, but you won't get back your 40 euro entry fee.
In MrYouWho's case he could only find one girl that he wanted to do so his shag cost him in reality a whopping 70 euros. Considering that Dietzenbach is not in the center of Frankfurt (it is a 17 km drive from the center of Frankfurt or approximately a 20 euro return journey by train taking 30 minutes one way with only 2 trains per hour) then that one shag would amount to almost 100 euros plus the wasted time getting there. It may have been cheaper to peruse the hundreds of women available in the Frankfurt city center red light walk-up apartments many of whom do AO and many of whom are young, attractive and welcoming. A shag there will cost you 30 - 50 euros depending on the girl but at least with the greater choice you are more likely to find a more satisfactory outcome.
ExpatLover
01-22-17, 19:11
I think you should have said that this club is 'supposed' to have a strict no approach policy. This is actually the case for all RTCs like Dietzenbach but I found in Dietzenbach that some of the really unattractive women like Anka and Dani used to blatantly disobey this rule and pester newcomers because they found that guys wouldn't normally go with them otherwise.
In any case it is supposed to be a 'no approach' policy not a 'no warmth or no smiling' policy. Maybe because of the dwindling number of guys now going to the club the women have caught the general depressed mood that seems to be settling on the place and are no longer even bothering to try and attract guys to themselves? Unfortunately these girls are not blessed with FKK girl type looks and so need to at least make some attempt at attracting guys or newcomers like MrYouWho will, quite rightly, interpret this as being that he will get an equally disinterested performance in the room. So why take the chance?
Also saying that it is only 30 euros per girl is a complete misrepresentation of the true costs. You seem to have forgotten that you pay a 40 euro entry fee (it is only 30 euros at other similar clubs elsewhere in Germany). So if you go with 4 girls (a big ask as most guys only find a couple of girls there doable nowadays) then that is 40 euros per girl..And what about going to a top FKK club like Shark, etc. To pay 45/50 euros including good food, drinks, top sauna etc. And to have a session with a classy girl in a clean and relaxing place, for me far better that all what I can read about all this Aldi FKK, too expensive for me if I look what I get.
Considering that Dietzenbach is not in the center of Frankfurt (it is a 17 km drive from the center of Frankfurt or approximately a 20 euro return journey by train taking 30 minutes one way with only 2 trains per hour).When I was in Dietzenbach last month the train ticket cost E4.65 one way from Hauptbahnhof, and the S2 ran every 15 minutes, the journey did take about 40 minutes though.
ElephantBeer
01-23-17, 04:33
I think you should have said that this club is 'supposed' to have a strict no approach policy. This is actually the case for all RTCs like Dietzenbach but I found in Dietzenbach that some of the really unattractive women like Anka and Dani used to blatantly disobey this rule and pester newcomers because they found that guys wouldn't normally go with them otherwise.
In any case it is supposed to be a 'no approach' policy not a 'no warmth or no smiling' policy. Maybe because of the dwindling number of guys now going to the club the women have caught the general depressed mood that seems to be settling on the place and are no longer even bothering to try and attract guys to themselves? Unfortunately these girls are not blessed with FKK girl type looks and so need to at least make some attempt at attracting guys or newcomers like MrYouWho will, quite rightly, interpret this as being that he will get an equally disinterested performance in the room. So why take the chance?.Nice piece of biased propaganda.
The girls in Dietz are not ugly in my book, for what they are. Most guys I see and met go with at least 4 women if not more. The idea you pay and can't find 4 fuckable girls ('a big ask') - is just silly.
Also, while the FKK are comfortable (the pool etc), Dietz is pretty comfy too, just chilling and relaxing all day in the dim light or sitting out in the back. Plus in the middle of winter, who the hell cares. The train is super cheap, and fairly fast. The ladies in RLD no longer do AO near as regularly, and you say it may be better to spend hours walking up steps in the cold in RLD and negotiating prices when you can hop a train to Dietz? Really? Not to mention the clientele. That's some screwed up advice. Do you have any idea how long it would take you to find 5 AO girls in the RLD? Where will you stay between girls? Will you not shower? Do you have legs of steel?
Another negative response from you that seems totally based in your own fictional reality, and for your own peculiar agenda.
ElephantBeer
01-23-17, 04:34
When I was in Dietzenbach last month the train ticket cost E4.65 one way from Hauptbahnhof, and the S2 ran every 15 minutes, the journey did take about 40 minutes though.Yup, cheap and easy ride. I grab my lunch at the train vendors, and enjoy the ride. No need for taxis like many of the FKK.
Myrrh. I second your comment about the Frankfurt RLD being a reasonable bet for travellers with not so much time to waste. As always your analysis is forensic. I am wondering if there are any places you would recommend in Germany?
Cheers
And what about going to a top FKK club like Shark, etc. To pay 45/50 euros including good food, drinks, top sauna etc. And to have a session with a classy girl in a clean and relaxing place, for me far better that all what I can read about all this Aldi FKK, too expensive for me if I look what I get.We don't all look for same kind of sex. I look for beauties, not many at touristic Sharks or Oase for my last visits. Some prefer AO sex in low level brothels, with girls I wouldn't touch even for free.
Massimo Potente
01-23-17, 14:40
Sometimes I don' t understand everything I am mongering for more than 20 years in many countries and met more than 300 escorts and I never met one in London or Italy who was willing to BJ without condom. Now I am living for more than 7 years in China, Wuxi, Suzhou, Beijing, Shanghai, of course you can find everything there and also without condom but I always refuse if she do it with you she will do with others. I am not a perverse guy, I just like beautiful girls and in the last 2 weeks I got great experiences in German FKK with several Romanians girls. I stop paying for escorts, I go to a FKK club and take 1 girl I like to the room and will spend several hours with her (far cheaper than any escort) and the service is just great.In London, in my experience, OWO (blowjob without condom) was just subject to paying an extra fee of 20-40 Pounds. And sometimes it was also included but that was on rare occasions.
And then I booked Angel Dark in London for 500 Pounds and OWO was not an option at all much to my disappointment
I must say that this time I agree with Myrrh's analysis. If only he could let us know who, what, how, etc. enlightens or darkens his visits to RTCs monsters messes... I even RODed the only field post he wrote in the last (I think) 3 years, but unfortunately he hadn't had any session!
Back to the supposed topic of this thread, I shortly rivisited the bloody place. Alice was theke, a few more men than usual, but usual atmosphere. Roughly the same 10 girls of last week plus Roxana, another chubby gypsy hungarian, a bulgarian hyppo cub, Mady and Selina.
Since for the third-fourth time ever in years in RTCs I saw a girl coming out from a shower, all wet, I decided to try her inspite of not being really attracted. I cannot complain to her, because she did what she could. To give you a clue, it is like if you hire a Nissan Micra when you are used or would like Sirioja's car performances: whose is the fault? Yours or of the Micra?
I would say that the girls here are unprepared to the event of a dick wilting, which multiplies the embarrassment and further spoils the mood, especially by your side. In NRW normally they will immediately do what they can to recover it, without customers' suggestions, requests, discussions, etc. So, when after hardly 20 minutes, my dick died for the second time I felt like quitting. I couldn't bear the "paralysis" and astonishment of the provider, whose hygiene didn't include something for the breath and I'm afraid not either something for the vagina. I won't name her because she did what she could in good faith and was also as nice as she could.
In my decision of quitting the above room mattered also the desire to try with full balls the most fuckable girl in the premises, a princess walking on clouds with her nose up and the eyes watching down in disgust, disdain and detestation a crowd of inferior beings. She fully confirmed the expectations, in the couch like in the room. If you want to go with her, bring along a huge dose of patience, you will need it more than a huge dose of viagra, which doesn't work without stimulus, and she will continuously hard sweep away any. Also advisable to take her for first room, possibly after long abstinence.
On the couch: she will not do anything, but if you touch her you will risk: to damage her precious garters, to hurt her precious boobs, to spoil her precious haircomb and precious make up, to tickle her, etc.
In the room: after pulling out several kinds of washcloths, dry and wet wipes, she will let you know she is ready. Worth noticing that all this attention to hygiene, strangely makes her fold the towel and put it by the feet or anyway not at use.
No kissing, directly to not bad blowing, interrupted by frequent spits. You may lick her but make sure your saliva doesn't go by or in her pussy, I think only the clit is on offer.
Insofferent to any position: if she is on top, she will get tired to sit on you (actually to fuck you because you don't do it fast enough); if you are above her, your belly will press hers; if you are beside, her raised leg will quickly give her problems; if you are spoon her legs will lose sensiblity, etc.
Shocked by and intolerant to any request, actually to anything you might say.
If for some unconceiveable reasons your dick will lose power, she will be disappointed, probably she was enjoying it so much. But she will just remain there looking badly at you, will not try to bring it back to life, will listen incredulous to your request to try to do something, will start endless useless discussions, culminating with reminding you that in 10 minutes your room will be over. Your observation that you have been in the room 8 (EIGHT!) minutes will generate other discussions, then, after you ask her "you think you make feel at ease and performant by behaving like that?" she will answer "I don't know, it is not my problem", later "so what, you want me to wank you?" Your reply for something more demanding will make her tell you that a discussion with theke will follow.
The agony ended on the 30th minute with my orgasm. I won't name her because there is no need.
Good luck if you take her (and in general if you go there)
Since for the third-fourth time ever in years in RTCs I saw a girl coming out from a shower, all wet, I decided to try her inspite of not being really attracted. I cannot complain to her, because she did what she could. Ha, ha. What is our world of whoring coming to where the scientific method of picking a good shag from a RTC is so unreliable these days that we have to go out of our way to find some other way of picking them.
Reminds me of the guy who put half his life savings on shares in McDonalds because every time he walked past his local restaurant there were always long queues in there (might have something to do with the inefficient ordering process or the disinterested staff but hey you have to invest your money somehow haven't you)?
Then there was the guy who reported on here recently that he saw a girl sitting there on a couch who kept opening her legs wide every couple of minutes and slowly moistening her pussy with moisturizer. She seemed to be glancing at him every time she did it and he took this as a definite come on sign. Turned out to be the worst shag he ever did have in a RTC.
And what about going to a top FKK club like Shark, etc. To pay 45/50 euros including good food, drinks, top sauna etc. And to have a session with a classy girl in a clean and relaxing place, for me far better that all what I can read about all this Aldi FKK, too expensive for me if I look what I get.To each his own, my friend.
But at Sharks, an optifuck will cost you 50 euros extra for anything else than mechanical BJ and FS, one position. Want a CM? 50 extras. Want a COB? 50 extras. Want AF? 100 extras. Want to kiss? 50 extra.
I go to the clubs you call "Aldi" because, whatever people may say, there is always one of 2 girls available that are doable, and smiling at me. (As I do g to Aldi, where there is always a good brand of coffee available cheaper than at Fortnum and Mason.) And I can do all of what I mentioned above for free. So, yes, a "Whopping 70 E" as Myrrh described remains a pretty good deal, especially that I usually go for at least 2 if not 3 sessions.
The medium option is Bernd's which is not a cheap club, but is providing most of the extras free above the basic session cost, in a nice and friendly environment, with girls, or women, should I say, of different shapes and age, but all having in common a wonderful customer service ethos.
I fully understand those who like to go to Sharks, and feel in a paradise environment with 10's of sex available naked beauties around them. But I grew over this feeling pretty fats when I discovered how boring were most (not all, I agree.) sessions in the room.
EG. Thanks for another entertaining report. Cheers.
But at Sharks, an optifuck will cost you 50 euros extra for anything else than mechanical BJ and FS, one position. Want a CM? 50 extras. Want a COB? 50 extras. Want AF? 100 extras. Want to kiss? 50 extra.Want to see a little rat? Or you prefer cockroaches? How much would that be in normal big FKKs? In RTCs they are included as well!
To Optimist and to those who appreciate my posts: Thanks for your appreciation
ExpatLover
01-24-17, 18:01
To each his own, my friend.
But at Sharks, an optifuck will cost you 50 euros extra for anything else than mechanical BJ and FS, one position. Want a CM? 50 extras. Want a COB? 50 extras. Want AF? 100 extras. Want to kiss? 50 extra.
I go to the clubs you call "Aldi" because, whatever people may say, there is always one of 2 girls available that are doable, and smiling at me. (As I do g to Aldi, where there is always a good brand of coffee available cheaper than at Fortnum and Mason.) And I can do all of what I mentioned above for free. So, yes, a "Whopping 70 E" as Myrrh described remains a pretty good deal, especially that I usually go for at least 2 if not 3 sessions.
The medium option is Bernd's which is not a cheap club, but is providing most of the extras free above the basic session cost, in a nice and friendly environment, with girls, or women, should I say, of different shapes and age, but all having in common a wonderful customer service ethos.
I fully understand those who like to go to Sharks, and feel in a paradise environment with 10's of sex available naked beauties around them. But I grew over this feeling pretty fats when I discovered how boring were most (not all, I agree.) sessions in the room.I don't believe you are right, today I was at Mainhattan, I am not know in this club, went to the room with a really sweet beautiful girl spend 1 hour with her got everything except CIM or anal but I don't ask for it. Paid 100 that is all.
Jimmy Boy 99
01-24-17, 22:46
Snip. In my decision of quitting the above room mattered also the desire to try with full balls the most fuckable girl in the premises, a princess walking on clouds with her nose up and the eyes watching down in disgust, disdain and detestation a crowd of inferior beings. She fully confirmed the expectations, in the couch like in the room. If you want to go with her, bring along a huge dose of patience, you will need it more than a huge dose of viagra, which doesn't work without stimulus, and she will continuously hard sweep away any. Also advisable to take her for first room, possibly after long abstinence.
On the couch: she will not do anything, but if you touch her you will risk: to damage her precious garters, to hurt her precious boobs, to spoil her precious haircomb and precious make up, to tickle her, etc.
In the room: after pulling out several kinds of washcloths, dry and wet wipes, she will let you know she is ready. Worth noticing that all this attention to hygiene, strangely makes her fold the towel and put it by the feet or anyway not at use...Hi EG,
Thanks for the report. Informative and entertaining as always. However, for those of us who don't know who this girl is, could you name her so we can avoid her? Thanks.
Want to see a little rat? Or you prefer cockroaches? How much would that be in normal big FKKs? In RTCs they are included as well!
To Optimist and to those who appreciate my posts: Thanks for your appreciationYou are far more experienced than me in visiting RTC clubs than me, but I have never seen rats nor cockroaches there. I just wonder, if that's so, why you still go to those clubs. Though I am glad you go, since, like all, I like your reports!
I don't believe you are right, today I was at Mainhattan, I am not know in this club, went to the room with a really sweet beautiful girl spend 1 hour with her got everything except CIM or anal but I don't ask for it. Paid 100 that is all.Good FR you! I also, BTW had excellent sessions at Manhattan, Sharks, even Palace an Atlantis when it was still there. But I also had a good amount of oversell, and even literally horrible sessions there for quite a price.
The point is: Why do you feel the need to come on threads like this one just to rubbish those who like it? I don't post on shark's thread to say whatever about it. I respect and understand those who like it. Would you go on tripadvisor to criticize McDonalds because you don't like fast food? I know what I get there, as I know what I get and RTC clubs. Sometimes I want a 3 star Michelin meal, sometimes, I just need a McD. Same and FKKs.
Some trolls in here don't understand the meaning of "to each his own."
At Dreams
Because I like all included, which includes rats and cockroaches! Also fleas probably... You never got any strange itching somewhere on your body but not around your dick, which was normally all the time safely surrounded by some feminine mucosas? Anyway I go for the cheap AO sex, so the rest doesn't matter to me ;-)
P.S. if you hurry up in visiting, you might still meet the last "special little guest" I have seen, growing healthy eating the crumbs of food fallen on the floor of the RTC which has it as a mascotte (nobody bothered to hunt it). But I won't say which club it was
At Optimist and Jimmy
Sorry, sometimes I take things for granted and / or I have the presumption that people might remember the bullshit I write.
So, Angie is the usual bulgarian, more known in the other thread for "surviving an atomic blast",
while the "princess" is Selina. But I guess you would spot her fairly quickly.
At ExpatLover
I prefer to NOT even wank rather than having sex with condom. Or you meant that you found arousing what I wrote about those skeletons and cows? LOL!
BTW, I'm strongly by your side in your fight against AO, it is something which should be forbidden, so please carry on discouraging people from doing it. But in more appropriate threads.. ;-)
At Dreams
Because I like all included, which includes rats and cockroaches! Also fleas probably... You never got any strange itching somewhere on your body but not around your dick, which was normally all the time safely surrounded by some feminine mucosas? Anyway I go for the cheap AO sex, so the rest doesn't matter to me ;-)
P.S. if you hurry up in visiting, you might still meet the last "special little guest" I have seen, growing healthy eating the crumbs of food fallen on the floor of the RTC which has it as a mascotte (nobody bothered to hunt it). But I won't say which club it wasGood answer, I also go to the RTC club for the all included package! Will now make sure that I get the extras that I was deprived to until now.
And to Expat: Yes, again, he should take his life mission against AO elsewhere.
Please keep up entertaining us with your reports.
RubMeister100
01-28-17, 19:47
Sorry for asking such an obvious question but even after going back many pages, I cannot find what is a "RTC" club.
Thanks in advance!
Roten Teppich Club. Red carpet club. I doubt it will be for you as you are not a cheapskate. Almost no food, cheap entry, sessions for around 30 or 40 euros, girls who are not very attractive. , almost nothing to do between sessions apart from sit on a couch. In the past service levels were generally excellent but I read that this has slipped. Also most girls will have sex without a condom if you want.
RubMeister100
01-28-17, 21:20
Roten Teppich Club. Red carpet club. I doubt it will be for you as you are not a cheapskate. Almost no food, cheap entry, sessions for around 30 or 40 euros, girls who are not very attractive. , almost nothing to do between sessions apart from sit on a couch. In the past service levels were generally excellent but I read that this has slipped. Also most girls will have sex without a condom if you want.Thanks for the compliment and the explanation.
No I am not a cheapskate at all. However, I am very value oriented so I only pay more for premium quality.
Sorry for asking such an obvious question but even after going back many pages, I cannot find what is a "RTC" club.
Thanks in advance!Do you really expect people to make a post on here, every couple of pages, explaining what RTC means just for the benefit of the occasional passing poster like yourself who cannot be bothered to make a decent attempt at searching for something that 'truly' interests him?
I put myself in the position of someone who did not know what RTC meant. So I searched on a popular internet search engine for 'abbreviation RTC sex club' and came up with a list of sites. Number 5 on the list was a reference to 'Terms and Abbreviations List. International Sex Guide'.
Hello!, a reference to the very site on which I am asking the very same question.
The list explains that RTC means Rote-Teppich-Clubs.
But what does Rote-Teppich-Clubs mean? Well I did a similar search on the internet for 'What is a rote teppich sex club' and number 5 on the list was a reference to this site with a reply by Maxime on 26th May 2015 explaining what RTC meant.
RTC mean?
Thanks
RTC = Rote Teppich Club = Red Carpet Club = group of smaller FKKs like Villa Venus, Verena, Dietzenbach, etc that have low prices (10-30 euro entrance, 30 euro per half hour session, including all extras (DFK, OWO, DATY and sex, most of time AO).Hessen Bob had already replied to the exact same question 5 months earlier in the same thread.
I really don't think we should entertain requests on here for explanations of 'basic' terms such as RTC and AO or even RTFF. I think we should just ignore them and if they really wanted to know then I am sure they will. Tough? Maybe. Fair to the other readers of these pages? I think so.
ExpatLover
01-29-17, 21:02
Good FR you! I also, BTW had excellent sessions at Manhattan, Sharks, even Palace an Atlantis when it was still there. But I also had a good amount of oversell, and even literally horrible sessions there for quite a price.
The point is: Why do you feel the need to come on threads like this one just to rubbish those who like it? I don't post on shark's thread to say whatever about it. I respect and understand those who like it. Would you go on tripadvisor to criticize McDonalds because you don't like fast food? I know what I get there, as I know what I get and RTC clubs. Sometimes I want a 3 star Michelin meal, sometimes, I just need a McD. Same and FKKs.
Some trolls in here don't understand the meaning of "to each his own."It is just that I think that all this Aldi FKK are to expensive for what they provide to the customers. I am also thinking about the guys travelling from far and visiting this kind of places and getting a wrong idea about the FKK scene in Germany, now more you go to such place better it will be for me, I should on contrary encourage all of you to go there, but I am a too honest guy.
Hessen Bub
01-29-17, 22:37
It is just that I think that all this Aldi FKK are to expensive for what they provide to the customers.Really? 30 EUR for 30 min including BBFS, CIM, DFK and even covered anal?
HB.
RubMeister100
01-29-17, 22:51
I asked a simple question and a nice guy named Optimist gave me a simple answer. In less time than it took a sanctimonious dick like you to berate me. Or to take time to do the research to berate someone.
Aside from your wonderful online forum life, you must be a real charmer in real life too!
Do you really expect people to make a post on here, every couple of pages, explaining what RTC means just for the benefit of the occasional passing poster like yourself who cannot be bothered to make a decent attempt at searching for something that 'truly' interests him?
I put myself in the position of someone who did not know what RTC meant. So I searched on a popular internet search engine for 'abbreviation RTC sex club' and came up with a list of sites. Number 5 on the list was a reference to 'Terms and Abbreviations List. International Sex Guide'.
Hello!, a reference to the very site on which I am asking the very same question.
The list explains that RTC means Rote-Teppich-Clubs.
But what does Rote-Teppich-Clubs mean? Well I did a similar search on the internet for 'What is a rote teppich sex club' and number 5 on the list was a reference to this site with a reply by Maxime on 26th May 2015 explaining what RTC meant.
Hessen Bob had already replied to the exact same question 5 months earlier in the same thread.
I really don't think we should entertain requests on here for explanations of 'basic' terms such as RTC and AO or even RTFF. I think we should just ignore them and if they really wanted to know then I am sure they will. Tough? Maybe. Fair to the other readers of these pages? I think so.
Hessen Bub
01-29-17, 23:08
Hessen Bob Bub. Not Bob. Thanks.
If the board had a structure with one forum per club, then there could be threads for all the reviews. Plus a thread with information about the club. Plus a thread with hotels and directions. Plus a thread for the line up. As long as the board has just one mixed thread for each club, these questions will come up every few weeks.
HB.
I asked a simple question and a nice guy named Optimist gave me a simple answer.Yes, I think we are all agreed on that. Optimist is a very nice guy. Sometimes too nice!
I asked a simple question and a nice guy named Optimist gave me a simple answer. In less time than it took a sanctimonious dick like you to berate me. Or to take time to do the research to berate someone.
Aside from your wonderful online forum life, you must be a real charmer in real life too!Haha! He does that on many other threads, talking about places he never went to, rubbishing whoever provide factual and interesting info, and spending obviously hours doing so. But who cares.
It is just that I think that all this Aldi FKK are to expensive for what they provide to the customers. I am also thinking about the guys travelling from far and visiting this kind of places and getting a wrong idea about the FKK scene in Germany, now more you go to such place better it will be for me, I should on contrary encourage all of you to go there, but I am a too honest guy.So I was right, you are an evangelist. You want to save us all, poor illiterate idiot mongers, not only from the devilish life of AO, but also for wasting our time and money going to clubs that YOU deem invaluable. What's next? Don't you think you should tell us all how bad prostitution is?
InigoMontoya
01-30-17, 13:44
Yes, I think we are all agreed on that. Optimist is a very nice guy. Sometimes too nice!From the perspective of a "regular member" I have to agree with Rubmeister. Having read the forum to research for my upcoming glorious well earned return to my home for 5 years, Germany, I have found that there are maybe a dozen or less regular senior member contributors to the German and German FKK forums. You keep the information flowing and this part of the forum alive. Thank you thank you thank you!
That being said, I understand that for you senior members who post to and check the forum daily that a question like "what are RTC's" may be redundant, but then why not just ignore the question and let a kind soul like Optimist handle what you are too bothered to entertain? Clearly, you guys live in or near Germany. Awesome. We all envy you. I used to as well, it's geile mann. No need to rub our noses in it. If you don't feel like answering a question for the umpteenth time, fine; don't reply. However, when you belittle the OP who may be a 20 yr younger version of yourself, you risk turning them off or worse, driving them to another forum / site where they receive dumba $$ advice from dip $hit $, who you most likely ran off years prior because they asked what BBBJ meant, that encourage them to overpay for included services and other actions that fcked up the Hessen FKKs, as I've read most of you in prev posts. In short, if you don't want your precious wonderland to be changed into something unfamiliar, then willingly guide the newcomers or curious in the proper ways or just STFU Myrrh, because making them feel like dumb pieces of scheize just screws us all over.
Hopefully I haven't blacklisted myself from getting advice in this forum, but if so, so be it; it needed to be said to cut back on the drama posts I've had to read through between you know who's and you know who else's on this forum. BTW, thanks to this forum, I changed my flight from a potentially horrendous Easter Orthodox vacation to a better late May one. It cost me 300 but it's worth it I feel.
Thanks senior members.
InigoMontoya
01-30-17, 13:58
I do truly appreciate the almost daily posts from the main senior members of this forum. As a small token of gratitude, I will post detailed reports for my 10 day vacation of fkks and laufhaus's in May. Thanks to all the information gained from the last several years of posts, I'm confident of where to go and when and what to expect.
Yes, I think we are all agreed on that. Optimist is a very nice guy. Sometimes too nice!Myrrh. You won't be surprised if I disagree with you about me being too nice. There are many people who have equated my niceness with being soft: they learned to their chagrin that I don't suffer such fools gladly.
I reserve my anger for things which matter (racism, intolerance, bigotry and exploitation) rather than the run of the mill forum matters.
ExpatLover
01-30-17, 20:07
So I was right, you are an evangelist. You want to save us all, poor illiterate idiot mongers, not only from the devilish life of AO, but also for wasting our time and money going to clubs that YOU deem invaluable. What's next? Don't you think you should tell us all how bad prostitution is?I don't believe that Jesus existed, I am able to explain it to you but when I see how aggressive you are and narrow minded I am not sure you are able to understand it like many other things that concern human relations between woman and man.
Woodypussy1967
01-30-17, 21:12
I would really like to visit this AO club. I guess that the fact that everything is included in the price makes it a good deal to visit this FKK. However, I read that the girls working there are not very beautiful. Photos are not available in their website. However, I would like to have a idea about the level of their external appearance. In fickanzeiger website (http://www.fickanzeiger.com/girlfriend-sex/index.php), there are photos of prostitutes offering AO in other parts of Germany. Are FKK Dietzenbach women of the the same level of external appearance like women in this site?
I would really like to visit this AO club. I guess that the fact that everything is included in the price makes it a good deal to visit this FKK. However, I read that the girls working there are not very beautiful. Photos are not available in their website. However, I would like to have a idea about the level of their external appearance. In fickanzeiger website (http://www.fickanzeiger.com/girlfriend-sex/index.php), there are photos of prostitutes offering AO in other parts of Germany. Are FKK Dietzenbach women of the the same level of external appearance like women in this site?There is only one girl that works at that place, Alice, whose photo I have seen on the internet. She worked for a few weeks last year as an independent girl using an internet site similar to the one that you mentioned above. But she soon gave that up and went back to working at the club. Presumably because she wasn't getting enough customers? No one is quite sure.
When I first started reading this thread some used to rave about her as being by far and away the best looking girl there. Recently one first time visitor was of that same opinion as well.
I visited FKK Dietzenbach on Mon 19th & Wed 21st December. This was my first time visiting this club, this was my experience.
The best looking girl on both nights was Alice, she is about the only girl in my opinion that could work in a big FKK. However she did not offer AO in her service so I decided to skip her.So to give you an indication, this is the girl below generally considered to be easily the best looking girl there.
Last time I visits Aldi (about 2 weeks ago) Alice was no longer working the floor with the girls. She was working the front desk. I asked her if she would return to working with the girls and she replied "no". She did not seem to think she would be going back.
I don't believe that Jesus existed, I am able to explain it to you but when I see how aggressive you are and narrow minded I am not sure you are able to understand it like many other things that concern human relations between woman and man.Yes, I repeat "To each His own", which is obviously a very aggressive comment.
Vito Corleone
01-31-17, 08:42
Alice only works the front desk & no longer available.
Anna, Selina & Sara (recently returned) are the only babes worth banging. A couple of hippos, zombies & a few barely doable just because it's AO.
I would really like to visit this AO club. I guess that the fact that everything is included in the price makes it a good deal to visit this FKK. However, I read that the girls working there are not very beautiful. Photos are not available in their website. However, I would like to have a idea about the level of their external appearance. In fickanzeiger website (http://www.fickanzeiger.com/girlfriend-sex/index.php), there are photos of prostitutes offering AO in other parts of Germany. Are FKK Dietzenbach women of the the same level of external appearance like women in this site?Generally no. But if you are staying in Frankfurt, want to check it out and have a car then it only costs a few euros to get in so the risk is very limited. Using fickanzeiger you may get a better (or worse) looking girl and waste a lot of time on telephoning and possible abortive visits. As Myrrh has already said, the FFM RLD could be a good option for you.
Solo Traveler
02-02-17, 01:49
Aldi, Testco, Carrefour, Rewe, etc.
LOL!
It is funny to see these analogies.
However, on the other hand, if RTCs are Aldi, why most nations except German-speaking nations don't have even one Aldi?
By the way, while some British members being actively punting around Germany, can any British please tell me where I could possibly find any venues which resembles Germen FKK / Sauna clubs in the UK?
I have been searching information for weeks, and the UK seems to be a sex prison.
Can't believe I will be stuck there for a month in the near future without opportunities to sneak to the mainland.
Aldi, Testco, Carrefour, Rewe, etc.
LOL!
It is funny to see these analogies.
However, on the other hand, if RTCs are Aldi, why most nations except German-speaking nations don't have even one Aldi?
By the way, while some British members being actively punting around Germany, can any British please tell me where I could possibly find any venues which resembles Germen FKK / Sauna clubs in the UK?
I have been searching information for weeks, and the UK seems to be a sex prison.
Can't believe I will be stuck there for a month in the near future without opportunities to sneak to the mainland.Escorts and Private in UK. Only escorts in Paris and since many months, only a very few attractive beauties, when I met sometimes 3 escorts in a week before, or my beloved Vava. Ru from Kamchatka nearly every night, about 8 nights on her 2 weeks tour on beginning of 2014. Same with Poly. Ru from Sotchi on end of 2012, or Anna. Ru or Maria. Ru for many Paris by night before hot nights. That were golden Russian escorts years, now I found pretty Romanian girls in FKK land, not only Germany, some really passionate and sensual. I learned how to love Romanian women who attract me, I got the best teacher for 1 year as the perfect care, sophisticated beauty.
Woodypussy1967
02-02-17, 08:53
Generally no. But if you are staying in Frankfurt, want to check it out and have a car then it only costs a few euros to get in so the risk is very limited. Using fickanzeiger you may get a better (or worse) looking girl and waste a lot of time on telephoning and possible abortive visits. As Myrrh has already said, the FFM RLD could be a good option for you.Thanks for your post. I do not have a car, but I will use public transport in order to visit FKK Dietzenbach. I hope that I will find three-four decent girls there. I do not have very high standards, but obviously I do not like very ugly women. Are all women into full AO with creampie? Or Do some of them prefer AO light?
I will also check Frankfurt RLD for AO. I guess that I should post this question in another thread.
ExpatLover
02-02-17, 09:31
Aldi, Testco, Carrefour, Rewe, etc.
LOL!
It is funny to see these analogies.
However, on the other hand, if RTCs are Aldi, why most nations except German-speaking nations don't have even one Aldi?
By the way, while some British members being actively punting around Germany, can any British please tell me where I could possibly find any venues which resembles Germen FKK / Sauna clubs in the UK?
I have been searching information for weeks, and the UK seems to be a sex prison.
Can't believe I will be stuck there for a month in the near future without opportunities to sneak to the mainland.No chances to find any FKK club concept in any other countries, some places in China with nude girls possible and in Thailand.
Vito Corleone
02-02-17, 10:09
Thanks for your post. I do not have a car, but I will use public transport in order to visit FKK Dietzenbach. I hope that I will find three-four decent girls there. I do not have very high standards, but obviously I do not like very ugly women. Are all women into full AO with creampie? Or Do some of them prefer AO light?
I will also check Frankfurt RLD for AO. I guess that I should post this question in another thread.I've been to this club many times (lost count yrs ago) but only banged a select few of what I consider good looking babes with nice fit bods.
Current Lu Anna Selina & Sara all cip. The rest AO except Milena Monica (both about 50 yrs old) & I believe one of the new Bulgarian "I just survived a IED blast" chick.
Aldi, Testco, Carrefour, Rewe, etc.
By the way, while some British members being actively punting around Germany, can any British please tell me where I could possibly find any venues which resembles Germen FKK / Sauna clubs in the UK?.Your solution should be the same as mine. Escape from the UK.
Hessen Bub
02-02-17, 12:13
However, on the other hand, if RTCs are Aldi, why most nations except German-speaking nations don't have even one Aldi?
If you are referring to the discounter and not the club: aldi is international, they are all over Europe, in the US and Australia.
HB.
Haha! He does that on many other threads, talking about places he never went to, rubbishing whoever provide factual and interesting info, and spending obviously hours doing so. But who cares.You seem to spend your entire time on this board checking for when other members have made a post just so that you can reply to it. Hasn't it crossed your mind that you could perhaps play a more useful role here?
Contrary to writing about places I have never been to, my last trip report was just one month ago and was ROD'd by Eastgoing a highly respected contributor on these pages.
Myrrh explains how to waste time, efforts, money, good mood and even new year's eve's cheerful expectations by going to a "normal" FKK.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2597-FKK-Samya-Cologne&p=1980703&viewfull=1Your opinions on various matters are well known from your frequent postings in these RTC threads but no one can recall you ever providing a report of your experience with particular girls.
My advice to you, old man, is to go away and write a trip report and don't come back until you have done so.
BigBuddy69
02-02-17, 23:43
At least he's not talking shit about every girl like you.
However, on the other hand, if RTCs are Aldi, why most nations except German-speaking nations don't have even one Aldi?
By the way, while some British members being actively punting around Germany, can any British please tell me where I could possibly find any venues which resembles Germen FKK / Sauna clubs in the UK?
I have been searching information for weeks, and the UK seems to be a sex prison.
Plenty of Aldi & Lidl in Britain too.
UK has plenty of girls too but you won't find one club as they are illegal. All girls are required to work solo so what you have to do is look around, choose a girl and hope for the best. Try Adultwork or an agency.
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By the way, while some British members being actively punting around Germany, can any British please tell me where I could possibly find any venues which resembles Germen FKK / Sauna clubs in the UK?
I have been searching information for weeks, and the UK seems to be a sex prison.
There is something called the Private Club in Birmingham. More like a Partytreff, but with fewer girls and too many guys per girl. Occasionally swinger couples come by. No comparison to Germany, but good for the UK and reasonable cheap.
There is something called the Private Club in Birmingham. More like a Partytreff, but with fewer girls and too many guys per girl. Occasionally swinger couples come by. No comparison to Germany, but good for the UK and reasonable cheap.Nothing at all like a partyreff.
The Private club is more like a gangbang club, which in fact is what it is, where a few girls (typically no more than 3 to 4) take on many guys in group sessions and not on a one to one basis. Food and drink is not included in the price like at a partytreff.
Your right, it is no comparison to Germany so expect lots of pushing and shoving and flying elbows. Also condoms for full sex is militantly enforced so yet another reason why this place shouldn't be discussed here.
MasterHoMaster
02-07-17, 05:01
Please move these generic discussions of BBBJ and AO to a general thread. Discussion here should be specific to Dietzenbach.
Speaking of which I was there the other day and finally had a chance to spend some time with Valentina. She is the counter-example to those who claim all the women at Dietzenbach are ugly or average at best. I think she would do fine working at one of the large FKK's. She has an interesting look though. I wouldn't be surprised if she has a grandfather or great-grandfather who was a Black GI or some such. Gorgeous though. You're probably not going to get much couch action from her. But behind closed doors she's as good a kisser as I've found at an FKK. Quiet (probably because she speaks *no* English LOL) but sexually very expressive.If she's Romanian with dark skin then she is probably mixed with gypsy blood. That's not uncommon in Romania.
Aldi, Testco, Carrefour, Rewe, etc.
LOL!
It is funny to see these analogies.
However, on the other hand, if RTCs are Aldi, why most nations except German-speaking nations don't have even one Aldi?
By the way, while some British members being actively punting around Germany, can any British please tell me where I could possibly find any venues which resembles Germen FKK / Sauna clubs in the UK?
I have been searching information for weeks, and the UK seems to be a sex prison.
Can't believe I will be stuck there for a month in the near future without opportunities to sneak to the mainland.No FKK like club.
Some parties, like Phoenix club: 6 girls, 2 h, max 10 guys, sex as much as you can eat, but not AO.
Thousands of girls from all over the world on adultwork, many offering AO.
Thousand of Chinese MP, all offering HJ, BJ and more can often be negotiated.
Soho walk-ups where 10 min quickie BJ and FS, can be had for 25 £.
Hundreds of 1000 £ top escorts.
And everything in between I have known worst "sex prison"! (Think of France, Italy, the US.).
Was looking on another board and saw a new girl Sara is now present. Is this the same Sara from about a year ago? I had a GREAT public three some with her and Anna on a couch. Wanking had fun watching? Also noticed a few other new names. Any feedback on new girls?
Vito Corleone
02-23-17, 20:53
Was looking on another board and saw a new girl Sara is now present. Is this the same Sara from about a year ago? I had a GREAT public three some with her and Anna on a couch. Wanking had fun watching? Also noticed a few other new names. Any feedback on new girls?Same girl. Returned about a month ago. She still looks good & a great session!
Solo Traveler
02-25-17, 01:25
However, on the other hand, if RTCs are Aldi, why most nations except German-speaking nations don't have even one Aldi?What I really want to express is as follows.
In Germany, P4P is legal, and it has all sorts of P4P venues, from all kinds of sex clubs, red light districts, to the most primitive street hookers, all of which can be enjoyed by anyone with an inexpensive price.
On the other hand, in other countries where P4P is illegal, they have literally nothing to offer except for some really expensive private clubs and escorts agencies. Of course you can always have some fun here and there, but it is just not as relaxed and comfortable as when you are punting in Germany.
All in all, if we have to make some analogies regarding P4P. Food and restaurants of different type is well suited.
Let's say you are hungry right now, and need something to eat for dinner.
In Germany, you have all kinds of choice from 2 EUR Doner Kebab, 7 EUR McDonald's, 15 EUR Bistro set meal, to 50 EUR steak. I would probably try McDonald's and Bistro. So, I feed myself with 22 EUR, with plenty of diversity.
In other countries, 4 EUR Doner Kebab and 100 EUR steak are your only options. Of course you can still feed yourself with lots of double-priced Doner Kebab in these countries, but that is just not as pleasant and satisfactory as dining in Germany.
Lastly, yes, some people including me once left negative comments about FKK Dietzenbach, saying their women are too ugly.
However, the judgment is judged by German club standards.
If FKK Dietzenbach is opened in other countries where there are no sex clubs at all, I have no doubt that many punters and I will frequent it everyday. LOL.
ExpatLover
02-25-17, 21:12
What I really want to express is as follows.
In Germany, P4P is legal, and it has all sorts of P4P venues, from all kinds of sex clubs, red light districts, to the most primitive street hookers, all of which can be enjoyed by anyone with an inexpensive price.
On the other hand, in other countries where P4P is illegal, they have literally nothing to offer except for some really expensive private clubs and escorts agencies. Of course you can always have some fun here and there, but it is just not as relaxed and comfortable as when you are punting in Germany.
All in all, if we have to make some analogies regarding P4P. Food and restaurants of different type is well suited.
Let's say you are hungry right now, and need something to eat for dinner..Yes and no, in France or Italy even it is illegal you can find a lot of escorts cheaper than in Germany. FKK is a another story more or less just available in Germany but also not so cheap if you take 1 hour including some extras you will be at 250 euros not far from a escort.
What I really want to express is as follows.
In Germany, P4P is legal, and it has all sorts of P4P venues, from all kinds of sex clubs, red light districts, to the most primitive street hookers, all of which can be enjoyed by anyone with an inexpensive price.
On the other hand, in other countries where P4P is illegal, they have literally nothing to offer except for some really expensive private clubs and escorts agencies. Of course you can always have some fun here and there, but it is just not as relaxed and comfortable as when you are punting in Germany.
All in all, if we have to make some analogies regarding P4P. Food and restaurants of different type is well suited.
Let's say you are hungry right now, and need something to eat for dinner.
In Germany, you have all kinds of choice from 2 EUR Doner Kebab, 7 EUR McDonald's, 15 EUR Bistro set meal, to 50 EUR steak. I would probably try McDonald's and Bistro. So, I feed myself with 22 EUR, with plenty of diversity..If you are sex hungry in London, you can get a cheap and quick BJ plus one position for 30 £. And anything up to a 1000 top escort.
Are these girls on something? I am really surprised that this question hasn't been posed before given the multitude of reports that there have been on here. But just because nobody else has asked it does not mean that I shouldn't be asking it because I have noticed that when I look into the eyes of some of the girls that they seem to be completely unfocused, glazed, wandering all over the place with pupils that are definitely an unnatural size.
The clubs are darkened places so it is easy to be mistaken on this but I definitely don't think it is my imagination as I have noticed it clearly when I am outside at Dietz in the back yard in the light when some of the girls come out as well.
So, what am I trying to say here?
For a start, I am not accusing the girls of any wrong doing. There are plenty of legal substances which could make the girl's eyes appear the way that they seem to be. For example, in the UK and elsewhere in the world, there are many so called completely legal, herb based drugs called 'legal highs' which are very popular amongst clubbers and party goers. Then there are many types of drugs which are effectively 'tolerated' by most western governments even though they are technically illegal, like marijuana, as long as a user only has a small amount for personal use and isn't dealing them.
Alcohol could have a similar effect on the girls eyes but it definitely is not this because alcohol use is strictly forbidden in these clubs (it would impair the girl's performances) and the girls do not appear drunk with slurred speech and uncoordinated movements.
In the gay world, which for obvious reasons I don't know too much about, I understand that a lot of guys take an easily obtainable drug called 'poppers' (amyl nitrate) and these have been openly on sale in sex shops in the UK and around the world for many years. This substance makes you relaxed and compliant and if you go to a club to have your ass reamed by lots of strangers then it will definitely help you if you take something like this.
Which brings us to the reason why these girls may want to take these sorts of things. Groups of them are penned up in a darkened club for up to 12+ hours a day, in very limited space with repetitive, boring pop music blaring non-stop, servicing a long line of mainly old, unattractive men. The girls are cheerful, talkative and in good mood much of the time and this could be difficult to achieve day after day without some sort of 'assistance'.
I am not saying that this is a situation peculiar to Dietz club as I have noticed this in the eyes of girls at the other RTC clubs and at other places like gangbang clubs, although to be honest I have noticed it more at Dietz than elsewhere.
Is it a problem? Not as such, as I am sure that the authorities carry out occasional checks on these clubs and would be expected to act if they noticed something was untoward. However personally I find it a bit sad to be having sex with a girl who is completely spaced out during the act. Having said that though, the girls may say the same about guys who need to drink alcohol and take drugs like Viagra in order to be able to have sex with them. But then guys are only taking these every now and then and not every day.
I am sure that some will say that uncomfortable questions such as this, just like many others, are best left unasked. For example, the other question which never ever seems to be asked is how uneducated girls from impoverished backgrounds manage to travel over a 1000 kilometers across 3 different countries to end up working in a sex club of a country for which they don't speak a word of the language?
There seems to be some sort of unwritten code on here not to ask these sort of things.
ExpatLover
03-12-17, 19:56
Are these girls on something? I am really surprised that this question hasn't been posed before given the multitude of reports that there have been on here. But just because nobody else has asked it does not mean that I shouldn't be asking it because I have noticed that when I look into the eyes of some of the girls that they seem to be completely unfocused, glazed, wandering all over the place with pupils that are definitely an unnatural size.
The clubs are darkened places so it is easy to be mistaken on this but I definitely don't think it is my imagination as I have noticed it clearly when I am outside at Dietz in the back yard in the light when some of the girls come out as well.
So, what am I trying to say here?
For a start, I am not accusing the girls of any wrong doing. There are plenty of legal substances which could make the girl's eyes appear the way that they seem to be. For example, in the UK and elsewhere in the world, there are many so called completely legal, herb based drugs called 'legal highs' which are very popular amongst clubbers and party goers. Then there are many types of drugs which are effectively 'tolerated' by most western governments even though they are technically illegal, like marijuana, as long as a user only has a small amount for personal use and isn't dealing them...I think you are may be from India. There are so many nice club with a lot of very nice premises and girls for me no interest to go in this kind of dark FKK club. Romanian girls are very clever and even they were not able to go long to school they perfectly know what is the life. Again they are part of the European community and for them it is not too difficult to travel to Germany. For many European wealthy man is it just a dream to get a Romanian girl friend.
Solo Traveler
03-13-17, 02:26
There seems to be some sort of unwritten code on here not to ask these sort of things.You're not alone.
I found this club a bit bizarre as well.
Regarding the eyes, there was a woman I took called Alex, and her eyes were just like your description.
The industry is way too complicated than we punters can imagine. Better stay away from the trouble behind the curtain, and focus only on fucking and punting.
Hessen Bub
03-13-17, 07:59
Are these girls on something?
I am sure that some will say that uncomfortable questions such as this, just like many others, are best left unasked. For example, the other question which never ever seems to be asked is how uneducated girls from impoverished backgrounds manage to travel over a 1000 kilometers across 3 different countries to end up working in a sex club of a country for which they don't speak a word of the language?
There seems to be some sort of unwritten code on here not to ask these sort of things.Drugs are a part of the game in all of the clubs. Marihuana, alchohol, Cocaine and other substances. How do they get here? They are brought here by "lover boys", boyfriends, pimps, girlfriends etc. Just do some research and you will find plenty of documentation on the internet. It may be an uncomfortable topic for some punters, but the younger the girl, the less educated and only Romanian speaking, the higher the chances she didn't find the way into the business all by herself.
HB.
Drugs are a part of the game in all of the clubs. Marihuana, alchohol, Cocaine and other substances. How do they get here? They are brought here by "lover boys", boyfriends, pimps, girlfriends etc. Just do some research and you will find plenty of documentation on the internet. It may be an uncomfortable topic for some punters, but the younger the girl, the less educated and only Romanian speaking, the higher the chances she didn't find the way into the business all by herself.
HB.Of course, poor Romanian or Bulgarian girls, from deep Moldovan part, or deep Bulgarian country, don't find the way to brothels on their own.
About drugs, not only in low level AO clubs, but also in the biggest clubs, just look at some famous girls eyes, and German girls at VIP GT.
They are brought here by "lover boys", boyfriends, pimps, girlfriends etc. Just do some research and you will find plenty of documentation on the internet. I want to become a Lover boy, I'm sick of paying for it. I want the girl to give me her money and then let me have the last fuck of the day, "gently does it I know your pussy is sore from all the pounding hun".
In all seriousness I'm sure being a loverboy isn't all roses, I bet those girls bit*h at those guy nonstop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TspjLIqH4sE
The industry is way too complicated than we punters can imagine. Better stay away from the trouble behind the curtain, and focus only on fucking and punting.How true, great line.
I want to become a Lover boy, I'm sick of paying for it. I want the girl to give me her money and then let me have the last fuck of the day, "gently does it I know your pussy is sore from all the pounding hun".
In all seriousness I'm sure being a loverboy isn't all roses, I bet those girls bit*h at those guy nonstop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TspjLIqH4sEUsually not much sex for loverboy / pimps, their beloved prostitute has broken vagina after her day or night at her office. But they could wake up at 5 am like me, to go to work, to feed their darling, rather than driving her to be fucked by anybody. Shame on these lazy guys, they deserve what they get.
UltraHappy
03-14-17, 00:05
I want to become a Lover boy, I'm sick of paying for it. I want the girl to give me her money and then let me have the last fuck of the day, "gently does it I know your pussy is sore from all the pounding hun".
In all seriousness I'm sure being a loverboy isn't all roses, I bet those girls bit*h at those guy nonstop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TspjLIqH4sEOr you could just do like some loverboys and use the money to visit an FKK in a neighboring city with your mates while your girl is working at her club. You just have to make sure you're back at her club to pick her up to take her home at closing.
Usually not much sex for loverboy / pimps, their beloved prostitute has broken vagina after her day or night at her office. But they could wake up at 5 am like me, to go to work, to feed their darling, rather than driving her to be fucked by anybody. Shame on these lazy guys, they deserve what they get.If the lover boy doesn't care about strangers pounding his girlfriend's pussy and then cum blasting her mouth, then he won't care if the pussy is too broken to fuck at night. These guys just sit at home and go to the gym all day to make themselves look good. They also go around and try to fuck other [Deleted by Admin] when their girlfriends are getting their pussies pounded at work. I even heard a story from a Romanian girl at LR who married her Turkish pimp, then he fucked her sister in Romania while she worked but she later forgave him because of love LOL! She told me that story like it was some romance novel, looking for a positive response from me. WTF? I think I was being very polite to not [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) myself laughing.
These guys look at Romanian girls like ATMs, once the pussy is expired and can't get withdrawal Euros after a few years they move on to their sisters LOL! Oh but for sure they will fuck their ATMs every night for hours until they get another one.
Member #4585
03-14-17, 00:30
Shame on these lazy guys, they deserve what they get.Well said.
Indeed, shame on these lazy guys. They get free sex from their stable of gals who are working for their man, the man gets the lion's share of their money, and the girl pays for his high end motor vehicle and its running costs, they can fool around with their friends all day, go to the gym and work on their biceps. Indeed, they deserve what they get.
Solo Traveler
03-14-17, 02:00
Well said.
Indeed, shame on these lazy guys. They get free sex from their stable of gals who are working for their man, the man gets the lion's share of their money, and the girl pays for his high end motor vehicle and its running costs, they can fool around with their friends all day, go to the gym and work on their biceps. Indeed, they deserve what they get.Sadly, this is in fact a worldwide phenomenon.
There's a condition called Stockholm Syndrome, and I think most working women manipulated by their bad lovers are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome as well.
It looks utterly ridiculous and unbelievable to us ordinary people, but the same story just happens again and again all over the world.
That's why I said things are never that simple. There must be a logical reason.
Drugs, violence, or death threat to the women herself or her family, etc are all possible reasons.
After being manipulated for a long time, in the end, they get Stockholm Syndrome, and then don't leave the bad lovers anymore.
I have stayed in a guesthouse where some rooms were occupied in the day by these men, never leaving the tiny rooms. When their girls returned at 4. 00 am They then fucked loudly for hours as AznHotBoy says
In all seriousness I'm sure being a loverboy isn't all roses, I bet those girls bit*h at those guysTell me about it. A relationship with a working girl is at best volatile, to say the least.
Free Sex with your "own" working girl is as much excitement as being married (unless one is onto power games).
Freewheeling ISG members are luckier, we can choose from thousands.
Here is a good Estonian Swedish movie about a girl being seduced by a loverboy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbkBesAWFXM . I don't think what happens in this movie is realistic for most prostitutes BTW.
Back to Dietz, I was planning going there in 2 weeks but have decided on a non bareback trip to Berlin instead. The reason is the Smoke in Dietz, I quit smoking on Jan. 1st and I don't want to be surround by hoors chain smoking, with the risk of tempting me back on the cigs again. The clubs I plan to visit in Berlin are both non smoking, Insomnia and Annie Porsche, both have smoking rooms for the smokers.
Livingroom in Kaarst is terrible when it comes to smoking, the whole main room is like a big Chimney. They should move the smokers out to the tent outside, and leave the mainroom smoke free. Its 2017 after all.
Tell me about it. A relationship with a working girl is at best volatile, to say the least.Agreed. For me, I try to establish a good business relationship with all my regular girls at different clubs but with clear intention of just keeping it friendly. It's now at a point where I can get free anal or CIM from these girls and with great reliable service. As long as I take them for 5+ hours per session, I haven't been hassled about any extra charges yet. They even told me I will still get BBBJ and CIM for free even after the new law. I've been lucky with these girls, but some do eventually quit and then contact is lost. I've lost a couple myself last year.
However, any actual real romantic commitment with a WG is highly not recommended. These girls often have a lot of issues. Mentally being the bigger problem.
DiverOyster
03-14-17, 14:55
Here is a good Estonian Swedish movie about a girl being seduced by a loverboy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbkBesAWFXM . I don't think what happens in this movie is realistic for most prostitutes BTW.
Back to Dietz, I was planning going there in 2 weeks but have decided on a non bareback trip to Berlin instead. The reason is the Smoke in Dietz, I quit smoking on Jan. 1st and I don't want to be surround by hoors chain smoking, with the risk of tempting me back on the cigs again. The clubs I plan to visit in Berlin are both non smoking, Insomnia and Annie Porsche, both have smoking rooms for the smokers.
Livingroom in Kaarst is terrible when it comes to smoking, the whole main room is like a big Chimney. They should move the smokers out to the tent outside, and leave the mainroom smoke free. Its 2017 after all.FKK Palace has non smoking policy.
As long as I take them for 5+ hours per session, I haven't been hassled about any extra charges yet. They even told me I will still get BBBJ and CIM for free even after the new law. So how much is a 5 hour session? 500 euro?
Describe how 5 hours with the same girl goes? Fuck, relax, fuck, relax and fuck again? Do you both leave the room in that time, apart from Toilet breaks? I am genuinely interested to know.
I only did one hour with an FKK girl once, about 5 years ago in Living room. Price was 75 for the hour that time, I believe its 100 now. I remember it being a nice relaxed sort of session, mutual oral, then fucking, and I came around the 40 min mark, then we chatted.
Other than that my FKK sessions have all been 30 min affairs, which IMHO is too short and always feels rushed, especially as girls often start to complain about the time after 20 minutes.
So how much is a 5 hour session? 500 euro?
Describe how 5 hours with the same girl goes? Fuck, relax, fuck, relax and fuck again? Do you both leave the room in that time, apart from Toilet breaks? I am genuinely interested to know.Yea at minimum I need to fuck for like 40 minutes before I can cum. Not trying to brag or anything but I think too much jacking off is the problem. Also usually I like to 69 and finger for like 30 minutes minimum. Roughly a pop every 1.5 h for me. Then some chat and then repeat. For me time fly by quick. After just a couple pops it's already 3 hours. Since my size is pretty average usually girls will let me fuck them for a long time. Sometimes I can fuck for like 3 hours nonstop before cumming.
When I go on these FKK tours I literally just fuck till my body is broken tired then go back and sleep for the next day. My friend said this is like my triathlon.
Wanking. I'm not sure 5 hour sessions are recommended, but I fairly often do that with favourites, To my shame I admit that for me such sessions are mostly talking and resting! It needs a girl with really good interpersonal skills and one who oozes eroticism whatever she does. The only different style was with Kathi at LaLuna when it is almost four hours non stop fucking: mentally and physically exhausting.
ExpatLover
03-14-17, 20:27
Agreed. For me, I try to establish a good business relationship with all my regular girls at different clubs but with clear intention of just keeping it friendly. It's now at a point where I can get free anal or CIM from these girls and with great reliable service. As long as I take them for 5+ hours per session, I haven't been hassled about any extra charges yet. They even told me I will still get BBBJ and CIM for free even after the new law. I've been lucky with these girls, but some do eventually quit and then contact is lost. I've lost a couple myself last year.
However, any actual real romantic commitment with a WG is highly not recommended. These girls often have a lot of issues. Mentally being the bigger problem.Fully agree with you, met some girls outside the clubs and it is mostly stressing and disappointing.
Yea at minimum I need to fuck for like 40 minutes before I can cum. Not trying to brag or anything but I think too much jacking off is the problem. Also usually I like to 69 and finger for like 30 minutes minimum. Roughly a pop every 1.5 h for me. Then some chat and then repeat. For me time fly by quick. After just a couple pops it's already 3 hours. Since my size is pretty average usually girls will let me fuck them for a long time. Sometimes I can fuck for like 3 hours nonstop before cumming.
When I go on these FKK tours I literally just fuck till my body is broken tired then go back and sleep for the next day. My friend said this is like my triathlon.I am similar as I do jerk off a lot and whenever I'd meet a random girl I could never finish. It's also hard to finish if I am more than just physically attracted to her. I've had two trips to Germany where I knew I was going to laid, so I stop jerking off 1-2 weeks prior to the trip (or I give myself an allowance in that time span). I've only had a problem finishing with one girl at FKKs and it was more me than her. Another advantage I have is that these clubs are big turn-ONS for me; the reason why is all (most) the girls what to have sex with me, albeit it's for money but having a girl hunt, grope, tease and walk around naked doesn't hurt. I tend to let the boners come and go at the club before I decide to go to the room. When that happens I'm usually fully erect walking behind the girl to the room; this strategy does sometimes backfire. OH I also have been taking Chows (I think that's who it was) advice, I've been mixing up where I jerk off.
Noticed on another board a girl by the name of Alina, is this the same one from about two years ago? Super skinny blonde? When I tried to fuck her she would not let me all the way in complaining I was too big and thick. Kind of a bust session with her.
Vito Corleone
03-15-17, 22:43
Noticed on another board a girl by the name of Alina, is this the same one from about two years ago? Super skinny blonde? When I tried to fuck her she would not let me all the way in complaining I was too big and thick. Kind of a bust session with her.Different Alina. This one has worked at all the RTC's in the NRW.
I quit smoking on Jan. 1st and I don't want to be surround by hoors chain smoking, with the risk of tempting me back on the cigs again.Wanking -- Good on you! We're all pulling for you!
ExpatLover
03-17-17, 13:59
I am similar as I do jerk off a lot and whenever I'd meet a random girl I could never finish. It's also hard to finish if I am more than just physically attracted to her. I've had two trips to Germany where I knew I was going to laid, so I stop jerking off 1-2 weeks prior to the trip (or I give myself an allowance in that time span). I've only had a problem finishing with one girl at FKKs and it was more me than her. Another advantage I have is that these clubs are big turn-ONS for me; the reason why is all (most) the girls what to have sex with me, albeit it's for money but having a girl hunt, grope, tease and walk around naked doesn't hurt. I tend to let the boners come and go at the club before I decide to go to the room. When that happens I'm usually fully erect walking behind the girl to the room; this strategy does sometimes backfire. OH I also have been taking Chows (I think that's who it was) advice, I've been mixing up where I jerk off.Sorry but the girls don't want to have sex with you they just want your cash, let us be realistic.
Sorry but the girls don't want to have sex with you they just want your cash, let us be realistic.Duke's post makes it quite clear he knows this.
Christian G
03-17-17, 19:20
Duke's post makes it quite clear he knows this.You know, EL always feels the need to trolling in this thread and others RTC's thread with his useless posts.
MasterHoMaster
03-21-17, 02:04
Fully agree with you, met some girls outside the clubs and it is mostly stressing and disappointing.How much does 5 hours cost you?
ExpatLover
03-21-17, 15:23
How much does 5 hours cost you?It cost me the same as all of you 100 euros for 1 hour.
I spent the day in Dietzenbach on 22 March. The biggest change here is that the club has already "officially" adopted the new law of mandatory condom use for sex. Several signs up all over the place stating the fact. However, what may or may not happen behind closed doors is between two people. One of the drawbacks is the complete lack of public sex now. One of the things I did love about this club. I am heading back today for some fun, I was planning on tomorrow as well but I have to cut my trip short and head home a day early.
On my day I played with.
Reyna.
Alina.
Sara.
Some new Girl super petite black hair, took her awhile to fit my cock inside her all the way.
And.
Rebecca (she was upset she wasnt my first of the day).
Member #4585
03-26-17, 10:05
I spent the day in Dietzenbach on 22 March. The biggest change here is that the club has already "officially" adopted the new law of mandatory condom use for sex. Several signs up all over the place stating the fact. However, what may or may not happen behind closed doors is between two people. One of the drawbacks is the complete lack of public sex now. One of the things I did love about this club. I am heading back today for some fun, I was planning on tomorrow as well but I have to cut my trip short and head home a day early..DFW,
Thank you for the report. Good to know these things.
It is a consideration that the mainstream FKK clubs follow suit in banning sex witgout condom including BBBJ.
It is also a considerstion that similar to how some clubs do not ban smoking throughtout their clubs except in designated areas that some clubs maynot adopt the no sex without condom law.
It is a consideration that the mainstream FKK clubs follow suit in banning sex witgout condom including BBBJ.
It is also a considerstion that similar to how some clubs do not ban smoking throughtout their clubs except in designated areas that some clubs maynot adopt the no sex without condom law.The clubs must officially follow the new rule. There will be no offiziell exception like this non smoking joke law. Bc for smoking there's still a billion heavy industrie behind paying with lobby work milions to politic. But for no condem BJ or sex there isn't any real lobby, forget us few guys. Even many working girl and the P6 operators like the idea of ban bc where still is demand for this but it isn't allowed then the price get up for this.
Vito Corleone
03-26-17, 16:11
Some new Girl super petite black hair, took her awhile to fit my cock inside her all the way.Diana. In February she was cosmina at F39.
I spent the day in Dietzenbach on 22 March. The biggest change here is that the club has already "officially" adopted the new law of mandatory condom use for sex. Several signs up all over the place stating the fact. However, what may or may not happen behind closed doors is between two people. One of the drawbacks is the complete lack of public sex now. One of the things I did love about this club.Disappointing that the club has already adopted mandatory condom use months before they really needed to.
Watching old men have sex with women in public I guess provided some sort of relief from the boredom of sitting around here with nothing to do between sex sessions. But now that even this has been taken away many may struggle to think of a reason to still trek to this place.
DFWdude,
Thanks for the feedback.
Did the girls still does BBBJ in the rooms?
And do they advertise all the extra services are inclusive in the price, like DFK and CIM?
For me, AO is not essential but other extra services as standart for 30 Euro was fun to have.
I spent the day in Dietzenbach on 22 March. The biggest change here is that the club has already "officially" adopted the new law of mandatory condom use for sex. Several signs up all over the place stating the fact. However, what may or may not happen behind closed doors is between two people. One of the drawbacks is the complete lack of public sex now. One of the things I did love about this club. I am heading back today for some fun, I was planning on tomorrow as well but I have to cut my trip short and head home a day early.
On my day I played with.
Reyna.
Alina.
Sara.
Some new Girl super petite black hair, took her awhile to fit my cock inside her all the way.
And.
Rebecca (she was upset she wasnt my first of the day).
Disappointing that the club has already adopted mandatory condom use months before they really needed to.
Watching old men have sex with women in public I guess provided some sort of relief from the boredom of sitting around here with nothing to do between sex sessions. But now that even this has been taken away many may struggle to think of a reason to still trek to this place.Hi.
I had public sex 2 times last Saturday in Dietzenbach.
Its still allowded but many men don't like it.
BL.
ExpatLover
03-27-17, 19:18
Disappointing that the club has already adopted mandatory condom use months before they really needed to.
Watching old men have sex with women in public I guess provided some sort of relief from the boredom of sitting around here with nothing to do between sex sessions. But now that even this has been taken away many may struggle to think of a reason to still trek to this place.Or may be reasonable in order to protect the health of the men and women.
Thanks for the info.
And what about BBBJ, DFK and CIM, does it still included in 30 euro per session? intend to be there this week.
Many thanks in advance.
Hi.
I had public sex 2 times last Saturday in Dietzenbach.
Its still allowded but many men don't like it.
BL.
Member #4581
03-28-17, 05:58
What is an AO club that mandates condom use? What is the motivation to go there anymore? Curious.
What is an AO club that mandates condom use? What is the motivation to go there anymore? Curious.One assumes that there are official rules that condoms must be worn and so no BBFS in public any more. However plenty of BBFS goes on for extra money out of sight, even in non AO clubs. Without BBFS, the girls are probably not pretty enough to pull the customers, although a fuck is still cheaper there. I am not motivated to attend. I could use Japanese Ultra thin condoms elsewhere.
So official rules and actual practice can be two different things. I still expect to get BBBJ next year (out of public view) in Sharks and Oase.
Hi.
I had public sex 2 times last Saturday in Dietzenbach.
Its still allowded but many men don't like it.
BL.Really? Reyna, Anna, and Rebecca all told me different on Wednesday.
Solo Traveler
04-01-17, 04:31
Isn't FKK Dietzenbach the only place where sessions fee are 30 Euros in Hesse?
All other clubs in Hesse have a minimum session fee of 50 Euros even in smaller clubs.
So, I don't understand why they have to insist on being an AO club.
If I were the owner or the manager, I would just make it a normal club and recruit girls of better looks.
Mondial in Cologne, another 30-Euros-session-fee club, has a lot of girls that look more sexually attractive than in Dietzenbach.
So, it's not impossible for the club to recruit girls of better looks for 30 Euros sessions fee.
I will definitely visit it if they have the girls of Mondial's quality and charge only 30 Euros per session.
Really? Reyna, Anna, and Rebecca all told me different on Wednesday.Hi.
I asked the Thekenfrau if public sex was permitted, and she said yes, but only with condom and she pointed out two girls in the right far end of the club who did this. I don't remember the girls name, but one of them told me that she was 35 years old and had worked many years at the club.
BL.
Hi Vito,
Where you in the club this Thursday afternoon. Was there for four hours in there and I guess I saw you, if not mistaken. No pun intended.
Diana. In February she was cosmina at F39..
Vito Corleone
04-02-17, 02:21
Hi Vito,
Where you in the club this Thursday afternoon. Was there for four hours in there and I guess I saw you, if not mistaken. No pun intended..I wish I was there. I would have said Hello, if I was.
ExpatLover
04-02-17, 02:32
Isn't FKK Dietzenbach the only place where sessions fee are 30 Euros in Hesse?
All other clubs in Hesse have a minimum session fee of 50 Euros even in smaller clubs.
So, I don't understand why they have to insist on being an AO club.
If I were the owner or the manager, I would just make it a normal club and recruit girls of better looks.
Mondial in Cologne, another 30-Euros-session-fee club, has a lot of girls that look more sexually attractive than in Dietzenbach.
So, it's not impossible for the club to recruit girls of better looks for 30 Euros sessions fee.
I will definitely visit it if they have the girls of Mondial's quality and charge only 30 Euros per session.The FKK clubs are not recruiting the girls, they can just make a kind of smooth selection.
Oh sorry, then, my mistake!
I wish I was there. I would have said Hello, if I was..
Member #4460
04-02-17, 18:03
I was there Wednesday night (happy hour) after a buffet in the other town, Thursday, and Saturday.
I may come back April 5 before I go back to the USA Just to see Maya.
Was there last week, on Thursday, in noon time. Had 4 hours in the club, entry 40, and30 min sessions 30 euro. Had fun with Andrea, Dana and Veronica. Foreplay was avaible on the couch, starting with BBBJ and DFK, than continue in the rooms, I saw some punters had action on the couch as well. When in the rooms, only one of three girls asked whether without or with condom, the remaining two girls had already condom ready on their purse.
All in all, I believe this is still a nice place to have lots of fun with full service. The look departments of the girls were mediocre, only 4 or 5 doable girls, the remaining were big whales. But all the girls I had booked had passionate DFK, good long BBBJ, deep throat etc and also CIM, I can't ask more for just 1 Euro per minute fuck, and will return in May and also September, I hope there won't be any change on September, because the new law will be effective as of July. There were still signs everywhere on the club that the sex without condom was forbidden by law. So they already started to comply with the new regulations. Or at least wannabee.
The look departments of the girls were mediocre, only 4 or 5 doable girls, the remaining were big whales. 4 or 5 doable girls? They must have improved the line up recently or perhaps you happened to visit on a particularly fortunate day?
Hi Creature2,
Thanks a lot for your report.
So no changes for services although there are lot of signs " without condom is forbidden by law"? We can still enjoy "sex without", or some of girl start to avoid "without"?
Since I am planing to be there next week, highly appreciate for your clarification.
ExpatLover
04-08-17, 04:50
Was there last week, on Thursday, in noon time. Had 4 hours in the club, entry 40, and30 min sessions 30 euro. Had fun with Andrea, Dana and Veronica. Foreplay was avaible on the couch, starting with BBBJ and DFK, than continue in the rooms, I saw some punters had action on the couch as well. When in the rooms, only one of three girls asked whether without or with condom, the remaining two girls had already condom ready on their purse.
All in all, I believe this is still a nice place to have lots of fun with full service. The look departments of the girls were mediocre, only 4 or 5 doable girls, the remaining were big whales. But all the girls I had booked had passionate DFK, good long BBBJ, deep throat etc and also CIM, I can't ask more for just 1 Euro per minute fuck, and will return in May and also September, I hope there won't be any change on September, because the new law will be effective as of July. There were still signs everywhere on the club that the sex without condom was forbidden by law. So they already started to comply with the new regulations. Or at least wannabee.As usual many members will react, it is very risky to have AO in a german FKK, there is no serious medical check for the girls and you are taking significant risks with your health, just visit a doctor a tell him that you had sex without condom with a prostitute who is having 10 customers per day coming for many different countries, you will see is answer. Now everybody can do with is life what he wants, personally after 15 years of covered P6 with around 400 women I never catch anythings nevertheless I go for a full medical check up every 6 months.
First two girls, Andrea and Dana, both Romanian, readied the condom without asking. But it might be possible if I ask it without. Last girl Vanessa, Hungarian, ask which one I prefer. My opinion is the girls still practice AO, with local punters. But if you are happy with condom, they don't show you the other option. Or maybe in the future, they will try to upsell, when in the room. As I don't do AO, there is not much difference for me and I didn't ask.
Hi Creature2,
Thanks a lot for your report.
So no changes for services although there are lot of signs " without condom is forbidden by law"? We can still enjoy "sex without", or some of girl start to avoid "without"?
Since I am planing to be there next week, highly appreciate for your clarification.
I hope they improved the lineup, because I intend to visit this place next month. Ina was on the counter. There were some more girl I want to sample or repeat if I have more time, I hope I can see them in my next visit.
Damage of the day was 160 including entrance and double payment to Andrea (because I came fast in the first round and she let me pop twice in 30 minutes but I didn't know she will charge me 60 for that one single session, if I knew, I would prefer repeat her later on instead of doing double pops in 30 minutes).
4 or 5 doable girls? They must have improved the line up recently or perhaps you happened to visit on a particularly fortunate day?
Damage of the day was 160 including entrance and double payment to Andrea (because I came fast in the first round and she let me pop twice in 30 minutes but I didn't know she will charge me 60 for that one single session, if I knew, I would prefer repeat her later on instead of doing double pops in 30 minutes).That was bullshit, so you came twice in 30 minutes and the hoor charges you double. That would a pissed me off. Still its only a tenner more than most hoors charge for 30 minutes. Or less than the 100 euro alot of them look for in the big Frankfurt clubs.
I paid 60 eur for about 40 minutes with this Bulgarian newbie last May in Dietz (she claimed it was an hour). In fairness she did everything except anal, let me finger her arse and pussy really deeeep which made me soooo horny (I used different fingers). Deeep kissing too, like tongue deep down her throat. Prolly worth the 60.
ExpatLover
04-11-17, 20:40
I hope they improved the lineup, because I intend to visit this place next month. Ina was on the counter. There were some more girl I want to sample or repeat if I have more time, I hope I can see them in my next visit.
Damage of the day was 160 including entrance and double payment to Andrea (because I came fast in the first round and she let me pop twice in 30 minutes but I didn't know she will charge me 60 for that one single session, if I knew, I would prefer repeat her later on instead of doing double pops in 30 minutes).Yes of course they improve the LU, only super sexy girls doing everything including AO. Let us be realistic, the girls are not stupid, when they are beautiful they already know it and they will not go to this kind of place. The very beautiful girls in the clubs are overbooked and they don t need to do any extra to get very good business so some of them will even nor do CIM or anal, this is the reality and I don t believe that any senior monger with more of 10 years experiences in german FKK with 300 visits or more will tell you something else.
Member #4460
04-12-17, 20:10
4 or 5 doable girls? They must have improved the line up recently or perhaps you happened to visit on a particularly fortunate day?Let's see. 5 doable girls: (In no particular order).
1. Dana.
2. Anna.
3. Rayna (ex-FKK World).
4. Diana (new girl, ex-Cosmina F39)
5. Sara (sort of new but a few months).
There's a few more but I just named 5!
As for being charged double for the second coming (pun intended), I guess it's up to the girl to decide. One girl I knew well (who shall be kept anonymous), knew I came already but playfully grabbed my dick and made me come again (several minutes later, not instantly)! I handed her a 50€ and she gave me back 20€ with a wink! I decided to go with her again later that day out of gratitude.
Let's see. 5 doable girls: (In no particular order).
There's a few more but I just named 5!Unfortunately, you have to put it into the context that not everyone has the ability to walk into any club and have sex with practically every girl there, maybe including even thekefrau!
I was at Villa Romantika this morning at 10:00 am and NO Happy Hour!
There were only 4 girls (Maya, Nicolleta, Monika, and Lina) for the entry fee of 30! I took everyone but Maya.
I ended up finishing the day at Arabella's and did the whole house except Maria.
Member #4460
04-13-17, 20:32
Unfortunately, you have to put it into the context that not everyone has the ability to walk into any club and have sex with practically every girl there, maybe including even thekefrau!12 is my limit on a good day. Sometimes, if I hate the selection like in Grimberg, I just do "one and done" with Jasmine (who's now on holiday until the beginning of May). Kathi used to be my favorite in Grimberg but she has mood swings at the drop of a hat, but I digress!
You're the one bringing up the other thread (as in the out of context quote from the other thread).
In this thread (Dietzenbach), I listed 5 doable girls.
There are some girls in Dietzenbach, I wouldn't touch (usually the whales) but I mostly like to session with girls who are thin, pretty, friendly personality, and don't have the face of a horse or a Vulcan (apologies to Dani, who I would only do as a "pity fuck" if I'm in the mood)!
There are some girls in Dietzenbach, I wouldn't touch (usually the whales) but I mostly like to session with girls who are thin, pretty, friendly personality, and don't have the face of a horse or a Vulcan (apologies to Dani, who I would only do as a "pity fuck" if I'm in the mood)!Good to see that you are willing to scrape the bottom of the barrel only so far. Also, you are a brave man describing Dani the way you've done. Whenever I make unflattering comments about her there are always one or two who spring out of the woodwork with cudgels aiming to give me a beat down. It seems she has her fans who genuinely find her attractive. Surprising, but true.
Dani is a gawky looking, skeletal woman nearing her 30's with teeth a horse would be proud of. Rather than be upset I would have been relieved if she didn't insist on kissing me.
She's very pushy and practically followed me around the club trying to get with me and offering herself up as an option for a threesome if she saw me going near another girl. Proved to be a bit of a nuisance that day.
One time I saw her sitting opposite me and she was so emaciated that her hip bones stuck out through her skin like tent pegs. I though they were going to break the skin. That plus her ugly cesarean scar on her stomach was enough to put off any man.
Member #4460
04-14-17, 17:41
Good to see that you are willing to scrape the bottom of the barrel only so far. Also, you are a brave man describing Dani the way you've done. Whenever I make unflattering comments about her there are always one or two who spring out of the woodwork with cudgels aiming to give me a beat down. It seems she has her fans who genuinely find her attractive. Surprising, but true.
I used to do Dani at the beginning, she used to be playful, but then she's become someone who's always in a sour mood. I do tend to focus more on the attitude than their looks. A girl with a friendly personality (and isn't as old as sin) usually wins over a pretty girl with bad mood swings (like Kathi from Grimberg). With Dani, it's the sour mood that's the deal breaker and then I noticed she looks a lot like Mr. Spock!
A while ago, I did her on the couch in front of everyone but then my dick became a bit softer (but still big) and she pulls it out and says, "Kaput!" in front of everyone (which the Russian people who were visiting that day were laughing). When I was in the shower, the Russians would pass by and shout, "Kaput!
I left that day only doing 4 girls. Thekefrau Inna, was asking me if there's anything wrong but rather than say that Dani was the reason, I just said, "I'm a little tired from my travel." and came back the next day.
The next day, I took Elena and Dani in a room but Dani did the "Kaput!" thing again so I said to Elena, "Let's show her how it's done!" and I let Dani watch me do Elena and finish inside her. From that time on, because of her attitude, I skip over Dani on every visit.
BigBuddy69
04-14-17, 19:48
. It seems she has her fans who genuinely find her attractive. Surprising, but true.Yes she is rather attractive and she wouldn't probably even look at you if you met her outside a brothel.
A while ago, I did her on the couch in front of everyone but then my dick became a bit softer (but still big) and she pulls it out and says, "Kaput!" in front of everyone (which the Russian people who were visiting that day were laughing). When I was in the shower, the Russians would pass by and shout, "Kaput!
The next day, I took Elena and Dani in a room but Dani did the "Kaput!" thing again so I said to Elena, "Let's show her how it's done!" and I let Dani watch me do Elena and finish inside her. From that time on, because of her attitude, I skip over Dani on every visit.Girls sometimes say the kaput thing because they think it is something amusing to say rather than because of any real malice. They just don't seem to realise that some guys can be a bit sensitive about it. Some will leave it to the guy to make all the effort in the room but if you fail to get / keep hard or fail to come they will normally assume that is something wrong with you rather than them failing to turn you on.
Member #4460
04-17-17, 22:53
Girls sometimes say the kaput thing because they think it is something amusing to say rather than because of any real malice. They just don't seem to realise that some guys can be a bit sensitive about it. Some will leave it to the guy to make all the effort in the room but if you fail to get / keep hard or fail to come they will normally assume that is something wrong with you rather than them failing to turn you on.To say it out in the open wasn't the brightest thing to do, especially to show off sex out in the open. She ruined her business as well because people will wonder if she does the same thing to them if they try her.
Taking a few situations where I'm not "at my best" because it's late and I'm on girl #10 or something (or even trying to squeeze my dick into an extremely small and tight pussy, even when wet), most girls would ask, "Kaput?" politely and I would say, "Nicht kaput!" and then do something that turns me on (usually DATY) to get hard again. With Dani, she just outright quits and doesn't allow you to continue. Even if you say, "Nicht kaput!", she's ready to leave to get her money from you (in a threesome situation, it just feels like you're not getting your money's worth and you're better off with having the other girl alone)!
Ok so most of the dietz girls are still doing Ao in the room despite the signs hanging around the club saying Condoms are mandatory.
I hope this system still remains after the new law comes into effect. If it AO is still available there in September Ill probably make a trip there but if its not I won't.
Apart from AO there isn't much else appealing about the club.
ZimmerBaby
04-19-17, 17:25
A while ago, I did her on the couch in front of everyone but then my dick became a bit softer (but still big) and she pulls it out and says, "Kaput!" in front of everyone (which the Russian people who were visiting that day were laughing). When I was in the shower, the Russians would pass by and shout, "KaputJesus fucking Christ.
Member #4460
04-19-17, 20:59
Ok so most of the dietz girls are still doing Ao in the room despite the signs hanging around the club saying Condoms are mandatory.
I hope this system still remains after the new law comes into effect. If it AO is still available there in September Ill probably make a trip there but if its not I won't.
Apart from AO there isn't much else appealing about the club.So far its still the same but who knows what happens past July? I might visit less but you still get more "bang for your buck" compared to higher priced FKKs.
Of course, if every club has to do the whole condom thing, I might substitute the lesser clubs like Grimberg, Romantika (which is now off my list), Villa Verena, etc. for Acapulco (which I haven't visited since last year).
ExpatLover
04-19-17, 22:03
Ok so most of the dietz girls are still doing Ao in the room despite the signs hanging around the club saying Condoms are mandatory.
I hope this system still remains after the new law comes into effect. If it AO is still available there in September Ill probably make a trip there but if its not I won't.
Apart from AO there isn't much else appealing about the club.Yes very good option, advice you to do more and more AO, and wish you long life! Some people like to gamble with their own life.
JhRogers17
04-19-17, 22:15
Girls sometimes say the kaput thing because they think it is something amusing to say rather than because of any real malice. They just don't seem to realise that some guys can be a bit sensitive about it. Some will leave it to the guy to make all the effort in the room but if you fail to get / keep hard or fail to come they will normally assume that is something wrong with you rather than them failing to turn you on.Words of wisdom.
So far its still the same but who knows what happens past July? I might visit less but you still get more "bang for your buck" compared to higher priced FKKs.
I wonder will they send undercover cops out to the clubs after July 1st to catch those bareback ladies in the act? How else can they hope to enforce the new law?
I bet there will be plenty of cops volunteering for that job.
Member #4460
04-20-17, 13:39
I wonder will they send undercover cops out to the clubs after July 1st to catch those bareback ladies in the act? How else can they hope to enforce the new law?
I bet there will be plenty of cops volunteering for that job.The new law was meant to protect the girls from the clubs (and the men) who "force" them to perform BBBJs and AO.
I remember more than a year ago, they used to send undercover cops to pose as tourists (or even claim to be American) to these RTC places just to get the owners in trouble. These cops just seemed out of place and awkward while in these places because they asked a lot of questions and didn't go in the room with any of the girls. I've seen one "in action" during my very first visit to Grimberg (of course, the girls first thought I was an undercover cop until they noticed my German was really bad and my English didn't have any European accent! The cop (right from the start) claimed to be an American (with a British accent) and asked the thekefrau if this place had Alles Ohne even before paying his entry fee!
If the new laws are enforced, there will probably be new undercover female cops posing as prostitutes and going into these places. Of course, it would be obvious when suddenly, a bunch of German women start to work in a RTC place where 95% of the girls are Romanian, Bulgarian, or Turkish! These German women might be successful in catching men at places like GoldenTime or Living Room but not at a RTC place! After their "cover" is blown, people will know who the undercover cop was and that police woman won't be able to go undercover at another place due to rumors! I'm sure there will also be strange stares at the police station by the male co-workers to those who are assigned to do such undercover work anyway (like the female co-worker you imagine naked will actually be naked while working undercover at a brothel... maybe the male cops might volunteer to help go with them on assignment posing as an "interested" customer).
What the police might try to do is recruit the existing prostitutes to report on their customers and work place but then again, why get customers / work place in trouble when they're the source of your income that pays more money than what the police might offer you in the first place?
I think the AO will be more discreet than it is now (where the girl asks you, "Mit gummi oder kein gummi?" but then does you without anyway because that's just a formality). I usually say in English, "Whatever you feel comfortable with!" and nothing changes since most of them know me anyway! I really hope nothing will change after July because I plan to go back in October (or November).
ZimmerBaby
04-20-17, 14:50
I wonder will they send undercover cops out to the clubs after July 1st to catch those bareback ladies in the act? How else can they hope to enforce the new law?Your AO habits will guarantee you at least four daily meals for free in German prisons the next sixteen years. That's the way love goes.
ExpatLover
04-20-17, 22:45
The new law was meant to protect the girls from the clubs (and the men) who "force" them to perform BBBJs and AO.
I remember more than a year ago, they used to send undercover cops to pose as tourists (or even claim to be American) to these RTC places just to get the owners in trouble. These cops just seemed out of place and awkward while in these places because they asked a lot of questions and didn't go in the room with any of the girls. I've seen one "in action" during my very first visit to Grimberg (of course, the girls first thought I was an undercover cop until they noticed my German was really bad and my English didn't have any European accent! The cop (right from the start) claimed to be an American (with a British accent) and asked the thekefrau if this place had Alles Ohne even before paying his entry fee!
If the new laws are enforced, there will probably be new undercover female cops posing as prostitutes and going into these places. Of course, it would be obvious when suddenly, a bunch of German women start to work in a RTC place where 95% of the girls are Romanian, Bulgarian, or Turkish!.And you feel comfortable to fuck prostitute without condom?
Yes she is rather attractive and she wouldn't probably even look at you if you met her outside a brothel.To be honest, I really wish that Dani wouldn't look at me either when she was inside or outside the club. Would save me being needlessly hounded by a woman who just doesn't seem to take no for an answer. Noted contributors like Vito and EastGoing have all said they find her abhorrent, so it is not just me trying to be different. Even WanderingGroo who prides himself on banging everything that moves in a RTC can no longer stomach her not even for what he describes as a 'pity fuck'. So it seems that it is your tastes that are at variance and not others. That is fine, each to their own, and some guys are drawn to defective looking women.
Yes, I'll admit it. I have banged a large number of genuinely attractive women in RTCs probably far too many for me to recall. Often these girls are not there for long because they eventually realise that they can get just as good money in a proper FKK without having to do bareback. You just need to know where to look and exercise a bit of quality control over the girls that you do go with. I'm sorry but a liking for bareback sex does not mean that you have to sentence yourself to a lifetime of banging horrible women unless of course you are not too confident in your own looks and so feel more comfortable approaching the women that others shy away from.
ExpatLover
04-22-17, 20:22
Ok so most of the dietz girls are still doing Ao in the room despite the signs hanging around the club saying Condoms are mandatory.
I hope this system still remains after the new law comes into effect. If it AO is still available there in September Ill probably make a trip there but if its not I won't.
Apart from AO there isn't much else appealing about the club.I don't believe AO will be available in September, this will be 1 of the first targeted club and the authorities will try to get good evidences at the beginning to show the public how efficient they and the new law are.
Marine One
04-22-17, 20:59
I wonder will they send undercover cops out to the clubs after July 1st to catch those bareback ladies in the act? No. The government stated that undercover stings will not be part of this law enforcement, just inspections. I posted the link a while ago. Of course the strategy may change I guess, but that is what was announced.
Staying at Excelsior / Monopol hotel at HBF and this site and many sex sites blocked. Was at Dietz Monday. Only 8 present.
First with Ramona blow on couch and to room. Nice blow and CIM.
Later sat withAngy, played with tits on couch but no offer to blow there. She is darker skin and short. Said she was 30 and worked in Germany off and on for 3 years. In room reluctant kisser, blow, condom to mission, wilted, later more blow and back to mission without condom for finish.
Member #4585
04-23-17, 10:06
First with Ramona blow on couch and to room. Nice blow and CIM.
Later sat with Angy, In room reluctant kisser, blow, condom to mission, wilted, later more blow and back to mission without condom for finish.I expect the blow with Ramona was without condom for it to be CIM right?
For Angy, for the first round was the use of condom at her insistence or was it your wish for condom for sex?
I guess the second round with Angy without condom was mutual?
Hessen Bub
04-23-17, 10:10
As the club has put up a sign requiring the use of a condom it would help the girls if there were no more reports about AO at Dietzenbach, same as for all other Hessen clubs.
HB.
Member #4460
04-23-17, 12:19
As the club has put up a sign requiring the use of a condom it would help the girls if there were no more reports about AO at Dietzenbach, same as for all other Hessen clubs.
HB.I kind of wish the forums had their own special lingo but that would probably be cracked within a few months to a year! It would be nice to enjoy sex without lousy Merkel in the way! It looks like things are going South!
I expect the blow with Ramona was without condom for it to be CIM right?
For Angy, for the first round was the use of condom at her insistence or was it your wish for condom for sex?
I guess the second round with Angy without condom was mutual?The more interesting question for me is whether the blow on the couch was with condom and whether anything bare was saved for the room.
When I was with a girl last week, after I had agreed to go with her, she immediately produced a condom for the blow on the couch. I almost had a seizure. Caught me completely by surprise and I had to tell her that she didn't need to bother with the couch preliminaries.
Thankfully in the room it was business as usual with everything bare all the way, baby!
The more interesting question for me is whether the blow on the couch was with condom and whether anything bare was saved for the room.
!Blow on couch with Ramona, no condom. I saw a number of other blow on couch and never saw a condom.
I expect the blow with Ramona was without condom for it to be CIM right?
YES
For Angy, for the first round was the use of condom at her insistence or was it your wish for condom for sex?
She asked which I wanted.
I guess the second round with Angy without condom was mutual?Yes, mainly chose to condom to keep erection and not waste time with new condom.
Neurosynth
04-23-17, 21:50
As the club has put up a sign requiring the use of a condom it would help the girls if there were no more reports about AO at Dietzenbach, same as for all other Hessen clubs.
HB.I suspect that in the not too far future this might blow up into a big fight among posters. Some will feel very strongly that it shouldn't be mentioned in posts and will chastise those who disagree. Others will disagree and will resent being told what they can and can't do.
What I would hope is that other than the occasional *suggestive reminder* that AO not be posted about, everyone will be left alone to decide this for themselves.
Hessen Bub's post above is helpful and falls appropriately short of being confrontational. But ultimately the volume of posts about AO will be directly proportional to the number of posters who feel such posts are OK. "Live and let live" should be the overriding attitude on a board like this.
Hessen Bub
04-23-17, 22:00
Post about uncovered sex will get the club owners into trouble. So they might also get girls who offer uncovered sex or BJ (from July) into trouble as well, as the club owners might expel them from the club. Best option: Do not report about uncovered action anymore. Not in Germany. Write about BJ and sex. Done.
HB.
Member #4460
04-23-17, 22:49
Post about uncovered sex will get the club owners into trouble. So they might also get girls who offer uncovered sex or BJ (from July) into trouble as well, as the club owners might expel them from the club. Best option: Do not report about uncovered action anymore. Not in Germany. Write about BJ and sex. Done.
HB.Agreed! We don't want to get any place or any girl in trouble! Maybe the moderators might want to edit future posts (post June 30) as well in case someone is a loud mouth and blabs about a place being AO (I mean they do such a good job editing posts that some forum members accuse some girls with giving them a VD, why not do the same about AO)?
Other than being FB friends / Instagram followers, I've come to know some of the girls well enough for them to know what I prefer in a room without saying anything. I'm hoping things won't change for any of us!
UltraHappy
04-23-17, 23:01
Post about uncovered sex will get the club owners into trouble. So they might also get girls who offer uncovered sex or BJ (from July) into trouble as well, as the club owners might expel them from the club. Best option: Do not report about uncovered action anymore. Not in Germany. Write about BJ and sex. Done.
HB.The first rule of Fight Club is: You do not talk about Fight Club. The second rule of Fight Club is: You do not talk about Fight Club.
Third rule of Fight Club: Someone yells stop, goes limp, taps out, the fight is over. Fourth rule: only two guys to a fight. Fifth rule: one fight at a time, fellas. Sixth rule: no shirts, no shoes. Seventh rule: Fights will go on as long as they have to. And the eighth and final rule: If this is your first night at Fight Club, you have to fight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC1yHLp9bWA
Rules 1 and 2 are the obvious ones -- I'll let you choose which other ones make sense here.
Agreed! We don't want to get any place or any girl in trouble! You are absolutely right Wandering Groo, we definitely do not want to do that.
Just a warning to those who are not German, avoid Nicole, the slim girl with black hair and an angel tattoo on her right upper breast! She tries to convince people that her services are more than they really are! I was asked for 60 for 20 minutes. I told the front about the situation and she said she'll look into it.
It's also (to a lesser extent), Cindy. She's a part of that group (the third girl, the name escapes me) who sits together whenever they can. Cindy tries to sell people on 30 minutes, even if you insist on 20. When you're finished, she says it's 30 minutes and says 50 for time and 10 extra for AO (60).
Sadly, she wasn't like this last week when I visited but seems to be influenced by Nicole! I told the front on her too.
Anyone trying to cheat you, tell the front right away! They will listen!
Member #4585
04-23-17, 23:40
Other than being FB friends / Instagram followers, I've come to know some of the girls well enough for them to know what I prefer in a room without saying anything. I'm hoping things won't change for any of us!Most of the guys (locals and non locals) I know from the clubs are expecting no changes post the law change. They just cannot see it. What we get for a 50 euro note now is what is expected after 1 July 2017. If not then they will just find a girl who will just like they do now. That is all. Simple.
Member #4585
04-23-17, 23:41
Yes, mainly chose to condom to keep erection and not waste time with new condom.Well done.
Most of the guys (locals and non locals) I know from the clubs are expecting no changes post the law change. They just cannot see it. What we get for a 50 euro note now is what is expected after 1 July 2017. If not then they will just find a girl who will just like they do now. That is all. Simple.One aspect of the new law is that FKK Clubs etc will no longer be able to accommodate the ladies overnight, so that revenue stream will be finished for the clubs, leading to a price increase for entry and as it would have been a cheap accommodation option for the ladies, their costs will increase and be passed on by them to clients in their charges! Prices certainly will not be coming down!
I wonder will they send undercover cops out to the clubs after July 1st to catch those bareback ladies in the act? How else can they hope to enforce the new law?
I bet there will be plenty of cops volunteering for that job.
No. The government stated that undercover stings will not be part of this law enforcement, just inspections. I posted the link a while ago. Of course the strategy may change I guess, but that is what was announced.I do not know German law tradition. But in Sweden the police is not allowed, as in the US, to act as decoys. My guess is that the situation in Germany is similar.
Member #4585
04-24-17, 07:25
One aspect of the new law is that FKK Clubs etc will no longer be able to accommodate the ladies overnight, so that revenue stream will be finished for the clubs, leading to a price increase for entry and as it would have been a cheap accommodation option for the ladies, their costs will increase and be passed on by them to clients in their charges! Prices certainly will not be coming down!The answer to this "No use to worry. What will happen will happen. We can't control it. ".
Similar to the let us wait and see approach.
The one concession is that maybe there will be tips for good service like what happens now. Good service is ill defined and is up to you.
Hessen Bub
04-24-17, 09:38
One aspect of the new law is that FKK Clubs etc will no longer be able to accommodate the ladies overnight, That is not true. Girls are not allowed to sleep in working rooms, that's all. Clubs do have extra rooms for the girls, some clubs are right now using working rooms if there's too many girls, that will have to stop, but only that.
HB.
ExpatLover
04-24-17, 10:23
One aspect of the new law is that FKK Clubs etc will no longer be able to accommodate the ladies overnight, so that revenue stream will be finished for the clubs, leading to a price increase for entry and as it would have been a cheap accommodation option for the ladies, their costs will increase and be passed on by them to clients in their charges! Prices certainly will not be coming down!Many girls are not living in the clubs, just because they need to have a separate life between work and private.
Member #4460
04-24-17, 14:41
That is not true. Girls are not allowed to sleep in working rooms, that's all. Clubs do have extra rooms for the girls, some clubs are right now using working rooms if there's too many girls, that will have to stop, but only that.
HB.I remember one time, I missed the CIM and it went on the unprotected part of the bed (with no towel)! The girl saw that and quickly wiped it up with paper towels and said in English, "Careful! I sleep here tonight!" (She may have been joking but who knows?)
I apologized.
Hessen Bub
04-24-17, 14:48
That was in Dietzenbach? Smaller clubs will have an issue complying to the new regulations.
HB.
Member #4460
04-24-17, 14:52
That was in Dietzenbach? Smaller clubs will have an issue complying to the new regulations.
HB.One of the upstairs rooms because everything else was filled that night. She was probably joking because she saw me three days straight that week (including at the mall (Rathaus Center Dietzenbach)).
Neurosynth
04-24-17, 21:04
Post about uncovered sex will get the club owners into trouble. So they might also get girls who offer uncovered sex or BJ (from July) into trouble as well, as the club owners might expel them from the club. Best option: Do not report about uncovered action anymore. Not in Germany. Write about BJ and sex. Done.
HB.If that's what you choose to do that's just fine. I'm just warning against what is likely to happen if folks become self-appointed enforcers against those who disagree. The outcome will be a huge increase in noise and that will have the general effect of turning off those with truly useful information.
In other words if if BB-whatever becomes a forbidden topic, the board loses value. And if those who post about BB-whatever are incessantly attacked for doing so, the board loses value. *That* is the most likely damage to be done.
On the other hand I doubt posts on this board will do much damage to the clubs. Anonymous posts on a board have little to no legal weight for direct prosecution. And as "clues" that the authorities might follow up on? The local authorities don't need English-speaking tourists to tell them about the sex clubs in their own back yard. They already know, and will continue to know, what goes on in given clubs.
So the question is: What is more important to get a BBBJ or to write about getting a BBBJ.
T.
So the question is: What is more important to get a BBBJ or to write about getting a BBBJ.
T.Free speech is always more important man. So it's much more important to be able to write about getting a BBBJ, than actually getting a BBBJ. Remember the high-school days? LOL.
Neurosynth
04-25-17, 19:28
So the question is: What is more important to get a BBBJ or to write about getting a BBBJ.
T.That's a false choice. The latter helps lead to the former.
One of the upstairs rooms because everything else was filled that night. She was probably joking because she saw me three days straight that week (including at the mall (Rathaus Center Dietzenbach)).You're facebook buddies with these girls, swap Instagram photos and even meet them when you are out shopping. Everybody else is happy to just find them, fuck them and then forget them. You've really got to learn to let go sometimes.
Member #4460
04-26-17, 00:36
You're facebook buddies with these girls, swap Instagram photos and even meet them when you are out shopping. Everybody else is happy to just find them, fuck them and then forget them. You've really got to learn to let go sometimes.LOL! I didn't start this, really!
It all started when _ (she shall remain nameless) took a picture of me with her iPhone and I said, "No! I don't want it to end up on Facebook or anything!" and then she asked, "You're on Facebook?" and then I showed my page (using the search on Facebook). She saw all the celebrities I had pictures with (I used to win a lot of contests and Meet & Greets back a few years ago) and then she said, "I sent a friend request!" I just shrugged and said, "Okay!" I didn't accept until she sent my a message and ask if I'm okay a few days later. I accepted her friend request and I guess she had access to my pictures to show the others and then I get friend request from other girls that looked familiar and I guess I accepted them too. Then my Instagram page gets followers "Your friend _from Facebook is now following you" and then it grew from there. I now keep my "friends list" private so that my "normal" friends don't see my "other" friends on the list! At least nobody asked me for money or anything.
And yes, I go to the mall to buy stuff for my friends back home. If one of the girls see me, I acknowledge them and then go about my business. If they want me to join their group, I take a little time to sit with them and then I go about my business afterwards as well!
ExpatLover
04-26-17, 08:53
LOL! I didn't start this, really!
It all started when _ (she shall remain nameless) took a picture of me with her iPhone and I said, "No! I don't want it to end up on Facebook or anything!" and then she asked, "You're on Facebook?" and then I showed my page (using the search on Facebook). She saw all the celebrities I had pictures with (I used to win a lot of contests and Meet & Greets back a few years ago) and then she said, "I sent a friend request!" I just shrugged and said, "Okay!" I didn't accept until she sent my a message and ask if I'm okay a few days later. I accepted her friend request and I guess she had access to my pictures to show the others and then I get friend request from other girls that looked familiar and I guess I accepted them too. Then my Instagram page gets followers "Your friend _from Facebook is now following you" and then it grew from there. I now keep my "friends list" private so that my "normal" friends don't see my "other" friends on the list! At least nobody asked me for money or anything.
And yes, I go to the mall to buy stuff for my friends back home. If one of the girls see me, I acknowledge them and then go about my business. If they want me to join their group, I take a little time to sit with them and then I go about my business afterwards as well!Just one advice (15 years of mongering in Germany) be careful, in many cases nothing will happen only positive things except you have a GF at home in that case some issues can come out.
Neurosynth
04-26-17, 20:28
I would strongly suggest creating a second Facebook identity and asking all of your commercial sex providers to move over to it, and then deleting them from your first account.
While it is theoretically possible to control who sees what on Facebook, it's both error and bug prone. I wouldn't at all be surprised if your regular friends get introduced to your "special" friends soon.
From the few times that it has been mentioned on here, it would seem that fraternising with the sex workers after hours is just not worth the time or effort. Girls who act like sex mad fucking machines in the club often turn into neurotic, hormonal miseries outside it, especially when they are not on the 'stuff' that they are so obviously taking inside the clubs.
The vast majority of the ones that are looking at least acceptable in the RTCs are just not attractive enough anyway for me to get excited about doing them more than once. But even if they were I know that typically these girls get into the game because of 'loverboy' boyfriends or they have a child and I don't really want to get involved with any of those issues.
Plus the club would probably not like the idea of customer details being exchanged with their 'employees' just in case you start arranging to meet them after work and skipping on the club entry fees.
Plus what happens when things start going wrong. You fall out with one or some of the girls but they still have your photos and details about your life to pass on to other girls or the club owners. This is the face of the guy who we think wrote bad reviews about some of the girls. I would rather that they didn't have anything recorded on me at all.
I get my thrills through visiting these clubs and dumping my load into a new cum receptacle that I had never seen before. Thinking about these girls as real people and what feelings they might be experiencing tends to make my dick go limp.
Member #4460
04-26-17, 22:37
I was thinking of making my regular friends move to a personal Facebook page.
I already have like 2500+ "friends" through Zynga games and other things.
Anything too personal, I make private between some friends. Anyway, I've been successful in separating my Germany life with my normal life so far.
Banana Boi
04-27-17, 02:00
One girl stood out for me just looked so classy. I think she said her name was Raissa or Reyna (I may be totally off). She said she was Hungarian and could speak Hungarian. I'm glad I went to meet her. She could easily work in any FKK and make more than 30 euro per half hour. I would have even went with her if she were at Sharks or GT.
She did work at World before. .Is the above Hungarian girl still at Dietz? Not into the smoke filled club but would visit this Hungarian girl again.
Member #4460
04-27-17, 02:05
Rayna is still there. She was there two out of the three days I visited. She's still very popular.
She still remembers me back in her World days.
Member #4460
04-27-17, 04:11
From the few times that it has been mentioned on here, it would seem that fraternising with the sex workers after hours is just not worth the time or effort.
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I would rather that they didn't have anything recorded on me at all. I get my thrills through visiting these clubs and dumping my load into a new cum receptacle that I had never seen before. Thinking about these girls as real people and what feelings they might be experiencing tends to make my dick go limp.Even before the whole Facebook thing, the girls seem to keep track of where their customers go. I've noticed the girls contact each other from other clubs and compare notes. A few times, I have a girl say to me, "My friend at _ told me that you did (x number) of girls yesterday!
I don't go fraternizing with the girls but if they want to friend me on Facebook, I usually don't think much about it. There's one girl who recycles her old photos in her posts almost every day (but with new poetry in Romanian). Another posts what shoes she has. Anyway, when I go in the clubs, I don't think about their personal lives but I'm there for the illusion of the GFE. I know that _ has a locket around her neck which shows her kid, I know why one girl left the club (happy reason), I know who likes Clean Bandit's "Rockabye" and other songs without understanding the English lyrics, and I know who's on holiday right now because I don't even have to look it up. It appears on my Feed along with hundred of other posts. I don't go through all of them but just a glance at the Feed and go, "Okay. " but then I go to the club and leave all that info out of my mind and enjoy the sex without all the drama of a real relationship.
When I'm back in the USA And not at work, I enjoy the EDM festivals and concerts that I win (and don't have to pay for). I, like other attendees, act differently from our normal lives as well. The girls who are twerking with you at EDC and promoting PLUR is only acting like that during the festival. You know they will be back in their jobs or back in college after the festival is over but you're making the best out of the time you spend with them during the festival!
Post about uncovered sex will get the club owners into trouble. So they might also get girls who offer uncovered sex or BJ (from July) into trouble as well, as the club owners might expel them from the club. Best option: Do not report about uncovered action anymore. Not in Germany. Write about BJ and sex. Done.
HB.Ok good idea and valid points but how will we know if uncovered action is actually available in Dietz for example. All I will want to know is if AO is actually still available in the club after July 1st, I don't need to know specifically which girls are still offering it, as I can find that out when I visit the club.
MasterHoMaster
04-27-17, 15:23
Out of Friday, Saturday, or Sunday, which is the best day to visit Dietzenbach?
Roberto2233
04-27-17, 20:01
Ok good idea and valid points but how will we know if uncovered action is actually available in Dietz for example. All I will want to know is if AO is actually still available in the club after July 1st, I don't need to know specifically which girls are still offering it, as I can find that out when I visit the club.Has anyone tried Betty and can give more details about her services?
Thanks.
ExpatLover
04-27-17, 20:35
Ok good idea and valid points but how will we know if uncovered action is actually available in Dietz for example. All I will want to know is if AO is actually still available in the club after July 1st, I don't need to know specifically which girls are still offering it, as I can find that out when I visit the club.Just go and see, if the police catch you by having sex without condom you can be fined up to 50000 euros, how they will be able to supervise you, I have no idea at all.
Uncovered sex will be forbidden so I don't believe it is good to share any experience on this forum about it.
Banana Boi
04-27-17, 23:11
Rayna is still there. She was there two out of the three days I visited. She's still very popular.
Thanks Groo.
Ok good idea and valid points but how will we know if uncovered action is actually available in Dietz for example. All I will want to know is if AO is actually still available in the club after July 1st, I don't need to know specifically which girls are still offering it, as I can find that out when I visit the club.Perhaps using the private message system ONLY among known Dietenbach connoisseurs.
Sunday, 15 entrance at 10:30, 12 or 13 cards.
First session with Betty. Description from Lust. "Betty. , 25 years Romania Approx. 167 cm.
KF36 - possibly 38, somewhat speckig, but up to bosom everything still firm.
See or the-cups hanging / large warty auricles, round butt, Hair lightblond colored, back length.
Average face with strikingly dark eyebrows (nature), blue eyes, Pale skin, Tattoos: Yes, No piercings".
She said 5 days at club. I was heading toward Reyna on the next couch but another sat down with her seconds before me, so I sat with Betty.
Little talk on couch, some breast play, more hanging than from a distance, no offer of couch blow so to room. I was not really in to her and in room did not seem to want a lot of kissing, but maybe I read that wrong. Her blow was too fast and not varied. She did the cleaning wipe thing before blow. Finally hard so quick move to mission and finish. Some cuddle but I was fine to go.
Waited an hour of recovery but never seemed to get a chance to sit with Reyna when she came back from sessions. Seemed some had taken a number. Several others I was interested in also were not around and a lot seemed to disappear around lunch time. One guy with a robe had a number of girls in and out of a lower room. He was there for hours and girls would come and go with drinks and food. I saw at least 3 girls in his room from time to time.
Finally I thought I could get Reyna when she came back after a session, but after putting her towel down she picked it up again and went over to another guy across the room. They were joined by Betty. A bit later the guy was on his knees licking Betty and then Reyna. Reyna was blowing him when Rebeka sat opposite me.
So I sat with Rebeka, despite not great reports. Little talk and to rooom. Long blow to awaken "my friend" she called it. Also little variety and too fast and too much hand. Finally hard and to mission, oddly she seemed to be leaning up and when I started to suck a nipple she strongly said no. That cause a wilting in a bit. So asked for more blow and again too fast and no variety. Then she complained her neck hurt. So quick hug and let's go. Left shortly after shower. Worst time there.
ExpatLover
05-01-17, 07:01
Sunday, 15 entrance at 10:30, 12 or 13 cards.
First session with Betty. Description from Lust. "Betty. , 25 years Romania Approx. 167 cm.
KF36 - possibly 38, somewhat speckig, but up to bosom everything still firm.
See or the-cups hanging / large warty auricles, round butt, Hair lightblond colored, back length.
Average face with strikingly dark eyebrows (nature), blue eyes, Pale skin, Tattoos: Yes, No piercings".
She said 5 days at club. I was heading toward Reyna on the next couch but another sat down with her seconds before me, so I sat with Betty.
Little talk on couch, some breast play, more hanging than from a distance, no offer of couch blow so to room. I was not really in to her and in room did not seem to want a lot of kissing, but maybe I read that wrong. Her blow was too fast and not varied. She did the cleaning wipe thing before blow. Finally hard so quick move to mission and finish. Some cuddle but I was fine to go..When regulars guys are around they usually are getting priority, sorry again for my comment but what to expect more from this kind of club? If you are coming from abroad it will change what for you to go to a better club?
First session with Betty. See or the-cups hanging / large warty auricles, round butt, Hair lightblond colored, back length.
I was heading toward Reyna on the next couch but another sat down with her seconds before me, so I sat with Betty.
Little talk on couch, some breast play, more hanging than from a distance, no offer of couch blow so to room. I was not really in to her and in room did not seem to want a lot of kissing, but maybe I read that wrong. Her blow was too fast and not varied. She did the cleaning wipe thing before blow.
Waited an hour of recovery but never seemed to get a chance to sit with Reyna when she came back from sessions. Seemed some had taken a number. Several others I was interested in also were not around and a lot seemed to disappear around lunch time. One guy with a robe had a number of girls in and out of a lower room. He was there for hours and girls would come and go with drinks and food. I saw at least 3 girls in his room from time to time..Betty, large warty auricles, round butt? Oh my goodness. Girls providing mechanical service, doing what they want rather than what the customer asks for when in the room? Only one or two girls worth doing and they are continually unavailable? Regulars hogging the rooms for hours? Where is this club heading?
MasterHoMaster
05-01-17, 14:05
I got there on a Friday. €40 entry. €30 for BBBJ and vaginal, for 30 minutes. The facilities are minimum and somewhat rundown, like creaky wooden floorboards under the carpet. Only sauna, no steam sauna. Locker room is bare minimum-- it is a small venue after all. One room, smaller private rooms for sex. I never saw the upstairs. I figured it was for girls only as after they had sex they would go up to shower, not sure. No food except for apples and crackers. Coffee, tea, and soda machine and a bar.
This place is basically like a hole in the wall. It's at the bottom rungs of FKK clubs. The girls who are there are 4's-6's and 7 at best. Lot of FAT, obese even, girls. Others are skinny and / or downright ugly. Only Sara was average looking but had a nice body so I went with her and only her one time, Then I left. The only appeal of this place is if you insist on AO, BBBJ with cum in mouth all for €30. It's cheap but you get what you pay for. The girls work there and offer AO because they cannot work at a top tier place like Oase or Sharks to command €50 BBBJ and vaginal.
Roberto2233
05-01-17, 21:45
I got there on a Friday. 40 entry. 30 for BBBJ and vaginal, for 30 minutes. The facilities are minimum and somewhat rundown, like creaky wooden floorboards under the carpet. Only sauna, no steam sauna. Locker room is bare minimum-- it is a small venue after all. One room, smaller private rooms for sex. I never saw the upstairs. I figured it was for girls only as after they had sex they would go up to shower, not sure. No food except for apples and crackers. Coffee, tea, and soda machine and a bar.
This place is basically like a hole in the wall. It's at the bottom rungs of FKK clubs. The girls who are there are 4's-6's and 7 at best. Lot of FAT, obese even, girls. Others are skinny and / or downright ugly. Only Sara was average looking but had a nice body so I went with her and only her one time, Then I left. The only appeal of this place is if you insist on AO, BBBJ with cum in mouth all for 30. It's cheap but you get what you pay for. The girls work there and offer AO because they cannot work at a top tier place like Oase or Sharks to command 50 BBBJ and vaginal.I think Betty is an smart girl and she make everything if you know how to ask for it. If you are doing like and master house"or sure you will receive only what your paying for. I was 3 time already in room with her, and believe me, after Reyna, I can swear she the best in that club. I call it like that because every time saw the boss there and the girls wasn't accepted any tips, because he kick them out. What's your problem if I want to give her more?
Solo Traveler
05-04-17, 13:54
The first rule of Fight Club is: You do not talk about Fight Club. The second rule of Fight Club is: You do not talk about Fight Club.Question, why making the same rule twice?
Last time I met German who came to work in Asia, and I told him "Germany has the best Sauna clubs in the world", he didn't quite understand what I was talking about.
So, maybe we should not talk about FKK Sauna clubs to anyone unless we're sure he's also a frequent user of FKK Sauna clubs.
So the question is: What is more important to get a BBBJ or to write about getting a BBBJ.
T.
That's a false choice. The latter helps lead to the former.What do you mean?
T.
ExpatLover
05-04-17, 19:28
Question, why making the same rule twice?
Last time I met German who came to work in Asia, and I told him "Germany has the best Sauna clubs in the world", he didn't quite understand what I was talking about.
So, maybe we should not talk about FKK Sauna clubs to anyone unless we're sure he's also a frequent user of FKK Sauna clubs.Many german guys will not visit a FKK in their all life, some of my german friends are speaking extremely negatively about the FKK clubs, mongers and girls, I am more or less sure they will never go there. In Asia, specially China that I know quite well you have no FKK but a lot of cute girls and my best sex experiences are there.
Member #4585
05-04-17, 20:45
Question, why making the same rule twice?
Last time I met German who came to work in Asia, and I told him "Germany has the best Sauna clubs in the world", he didn't quite understand what I was talking about.
So, maybe we should not talk about FKK Sauna clubs to anyone unless we're sure he's also a frequent user of FKK Sauna clubs.That is strange. With the numerous sauna clubs and FKK clubs, one would be forgiven for thinking it's normal that all German men go to brothels and talk about like they talk about football.
Some German working girls say they know their fathers or brothers go to FKK.
Marine One
05-07-17, 22:22
So I sat with Rebeka, despite not great reports. Little talk and to rooom. Long blow to awaken "my friend" she called it. Also little variety and too fast and too much hand. Finally hard and to mission, oddly she seemed to be leaning up and when I started to suck a nipple she strongly said no. That cause a wilting in a bit. So asked for more blow and again too fast and no variety. Then she complained her neck hurt. So quick hug and let's go. Left shortly after shower. Worst time there.I have been with probably 50 girls in numerous FKKs and sauna clubs, Rebekka is easily the worst I have ever seen. Avoid her like the plague. She should leave the profession.
I have this mad idea. On 1 July the ban on paid sex without condoms becomes law in Germany. Is anyone up for going to FKK Dietzenbach for a final fling?
Mon 26 June.
Dep St Pancras Intl 10:58 change at Brussels Arr Frankfurt Hbf 14:05.
Dep Frankfurt Hbf 14:39 Arr FKK 15:23.
Stay 7 hours.
Leave FKK 22:30 Arr Frankfurt Hbf 23:21.
Tues 27 June.
Spend the small hours in the Frankfurt RLD.
Dep Frankfurt Hbf 06:29 Arr Brussels-Midi 09:35.
Dep Brussels-Midi 10:56 Arr St Pancras Intl 11:57.
Cost 270 in total:
Eurostar 136.
Deutsche Bahn 20.
FKK Entry 40.
3 x 30 minutes girls 90.
Or Fly.
Tues 27 June.
Dep STN 07:30 Arr HHN 09:55.
Shuttle Bus to Dietzenbach.
Dep HHN 11:35 Arr Frankfurt HBF 13:30.
Dep Frankfurt HBF 14:09 Arr Dietzenbach 14:41, FKK 15 min later.
Stay 7 hours.
Leave FKK 22:19.
Bus Dep Frankfurt 03:20 Arr Hahn Flughafen 05:05.
Dep HHN 06:30 Arr STN 06:50.
Cost 180 in total:
London-STN return 20.
Ryanair 34.
Transfers 40.
FKK Entry 40.
3 x 30 minutes girls 90.
I might get to work on time on Wednesday but my performance may not be optimal!
FormulaOneFan
05-09-17, 03:47
I have a trip to FRA area planned in mid June. I will likely make a trip to Dietzenbach solely due to the new law. I've been there several times over the past few years, but have focused more on Sharks / Oase lately. Every once in a while I like to dip into the AO scene, so I figure this may the last time in Germany to give it a shot. So why not.
ExpatLover
05-09-17, 04:36
I have this mad idea. On 1 July the ban on paid sex without condoms becomes law in Germany. Is anyone up for going to FKK Dietzenbach for a final fling?
Mon 26 June.
Dep St Pancras Intl 10:58 change at Brussels Arr Frankfurt Hbf 14:05.
Dep Frankfurt Hbf 14:39 Arr FKK 15:23.
Stay 7 hours.
Leave FKK 22:30 Arr Frankfurt Hbf 23:21.
Tues 27 June.
Spend the small hours in the Frankfurt RLD.
Dep Frankfurt Hbf 06:29 Arr Brussels-Midi 09:35.
Dep Brussels-Midi 10:56 Arr St Pancras Intl 11:57.You forget to mention which kind of disease you will catch, knowing that many guys are thinking the same than you so the girls start to get very busy, personally I already implement the new law I stop to get any BJ without condom, no stress and it change nothing at least for me.
TankTank123
05-09-17, 07:27
Question, why making the same rule twice?Third rule: girl yells stop, tool goes limp, pulls out, the session is over.
Fourth rule: threesomes only with condom.
Fifth rule: one girl at a time, fellas.
Sixth rule: no sheath, no sponge.
Seventh rule: session will go on until 30 minutes or first pop.
Eighth and final rule: If this is your first night at FKK, you still have to fuck.
Member #4585
05-09-17, 07:37
I have this mad idea.
Mon 26 June.
Dep St Pancras Intl 10:58 change at Brussels Arr Frankfurt Hbf 14:05!Does the train from London to Frankfurt just take 2 hours and 7 minutes including the change at Brussels?
I presume the times you give take into account losing one hour as you cross time zones.
if so, well done.
TankTank123
05-09-17, 09:41
Does the train from London to Frankfurt just take 2 hours and 7 minutes including the change at Brussels?I have taken this train before. It is at Brussels that the Eurostar arrives at 1405. Then, after a half hour wait, there is another 3 hours by another train to Frankfurt. Won't reach FKK till way past 6 pm.
Not only is this trip long, it was expensive. But I had to resort to it because, at that time, BA and Lufthansa were competing to see who could mount strikes more often.
Daffon. Plane is generally cheaper and quicker, even if you go to an airport like Dusseldorf or Hahn or Stuttgart. Strikes on Lufthansa Group seem to be over for now. Flybe, Ryanair and Easy jet are options but they don't change their routes quite often so I'm not sure of all their current routes.
Member #4585
05-09-17, 20:23
I have taken this train before. It is at Brussels that the Eurostar arrives at 1405. Then, after a half hour wait, there is another 3 hours by another train to Frankfurt. Won't reach FKK till way past 6 pm.
Not only is this trip long, it was expensive. But I had to resort to it because, at that time, BA and Lufthansa were competing to see who could mount strikes more often.Oh right, that makes more sense.
Daffon missed out the Brussels to Frankfurt leg which is presumably via Cologne. I was going to say that if the trip from London to Frankfurt was a little over 2 hours then that train is way faster than a plane. I did not realise there was bullet trains that quick including stops.
UltraHappy
05-09-17, 23:33
Question, why making the same rule twice?
This was a reference to a popular film called, Fight Club: https://goo.gl/wuy9k9 (analogy regarding that some things that aren't to be talked about). Quite famous film based on a rather popular book. Recommended.
I am excited to be visiting Germany and am planning to make a visit here. I am worried however about this new law because I will not be Germany till September. I have my fingers crossed it will still be available. Hopefully some of you will be able to make a visit and have some good reports that things are still the same.
Cheers.
I am excited to be visiting Germany and am planning to make a visit here. I am worried however about this new law because I will not be Germany till September. I have my fingers crossed it will still be available. Hopefully some of you will be able to make a visit and have some good reports that things are still the same.
Cheers.I am confident that the unique service that Dietz provides will continue to exist after June 1. The market forces are simply too great. AO is the primary reason these clubs exist. It's why I used to drive to Dietz or DVR when I could have literally walked to Sharks.
I am confident that the unique service that Dietz provides will continue to exist after June 1. The market forces are simply too great. AO is the primary reason these clubs exist. It's why I used to drive to Dietz or DVR when I could have literally walked to Sharks.I really hope so. I had a trip planned early next month, but not only was my vacation revoked by my company, but I won't have a day off till September now! So much for a summer trip to Europe! Ill give it a try in September.
Banana Boi
05-16-17, 17:18
I am confident that the unique service that Dietz provides will continue to exist after June 1. Why will Germany make an exception for Dietzenbach and other AO clubs?
ExpatLover
05-16-17, 18:19
I am confident that the unique service that Dietz provides will continue to exist after June 1. The market forces are simply too great. AO is the primary reason these clubs exist. It's why I used to drive to Dietz or DVR when I could have literally walked to Sharks.The new law will start the 1st of July, the target is to close those clubs, therefor I am quite sure that AO will disappear very soon on internet etc. But also in most of the places in Germany.
Neurosynth
05-16-17, 21:10
My understanding is that for all the restrictions the law introduces, only the customer can be charged with a crime and not the provider. I frankly don't see how this law is enforceable as long as the club doesn't publicize AO.
Not so much field report on Dietzenbach. Was there again there last Friday. Happy hour entrance at 10.30 am for 15 Euro. Again nice lineup. Had sampled Dana (Romanian), Hungarian Veronica or Valentina (can't recall well) and Romanian Reina who claimed worked previously in FKK World. All girls had picture in the theke. Service includes DFK and CIM for 30 min 30 Euros.
Still good lineup for my book, good service and budget price with HH entrance fee. Paid 105 Euro for three shots including entrance. Still there are two more girls I want to sample and I missed it. Will return next month.
Not so much field report on Dietzenbach. Was there again there last Friday. Happy hour entrance at 10.30 am for 15 Euro. What time does Happy hour entrance last until?
Vito Corleone
05-23-17, 19:18
What time does Happy hour entrance last until?10 am-11 am.
10 am-11 am.Save 25 euro on entry is almost like a free session.
Just a little over 30 days till the new law goes in effect, ending the fun that made this club great? What will the future of this club hold? Not really worth a visit if everything is covered, as I would rather pay more and go to Sharks or one of the other main clubs and at least have the facilities? My next vacation is not for 60 days or so, and if there is no fun here I may as well plan someplace else.
My last visit it looks as though the new law was adapted in principle (signs up everywhere) but AO still existed in the rooms. If you prefer to respond in PM to keep it low, that's ok.
ExpatLover
05-31-17, 19:53
Just a little over 30 days till the new law goes in effect, ending the fun that made this club great? What will the future of this club hold? Not really worth a visit if everything is covered, as I would rather pay more and go to Sharks or one of the other main clubs and at least have the facilities? My next vacation is not for 60 days or so, and if there is no fun here I may as well plan someplace else.
My last visit it looks as though the new law was adapted in principle (signs up everywhere) but AO still existed in the rooms. If you prefer to respond in PM to keep it low, that's ok.Why taking so high risk for your health, just for several minutes of pleasure?
I am a visiting American and today I idiotically left my wallet in the safe deposit box. After returning two hours later, the woman at the bar retrieves it from the counter with the 400 euros, debit and credit cards. Very impressed with their honestly where I know in many other mongering locations in the world, there is no way the club would give it back.
ExpatLover
06-01-17, 07:31
I am a visiting American and today I idiotically left my wallet in the safe deposit box. After returning two hours later, the woman at the bar retrieves it from the counter with the 400 euros, debit and credit cards. Very impressed with their honestly where I know in many other mongering locations in the world, there is no way the club would give it back.It is often like this, don t forget that you are in a legal place and if you can not find it back you could easily go to the police to complain, most of the FKK want to avoid this.
I am a visiting American and today I idiotically left my wallet in the safe deposit box. After returning two hours later, the woman at the bar retrieves it from the counter with the 400 euros, debit and credit cards. Very impressed with their honestly where I know in many other mongering locations in the world, there is no way the club would give it back.Germans are pretty honest. If your session is 30 euro and you give the girl 50, she will give you change. In other parts of the world the girls would claim they don't have any change /.
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