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Because the law is effective July. The clubs will adjust their advertising and service. Nothing illegal there. So why delete the respective forums on a P6 board?.For the same reasons as was already discussed on this board about 18 months to 2 years ago when Friere cafe banned AO posts but did not remove whole RTC forum threads. Don't you remember, Hubba?
It could be possible under the new law for the authorities to go after the media through which AO paid sex is being promoted / facilitated as well as the actual clubs where the AO activity is taking place. If the forums for the RTCs and AO clubs are still operational then discussion and promotion of AO paid sex may still carry on using code or euphemisms. The authorities could potentially take action against the forums through censure, crippling fines or blocking the sites if they feel that these sites are allowing / facilitating this.
These sites like Friere Cafe just don't want the hassle and know that if they pull entire RTC / AO club threads / forums then there will be no possibility that they could be infringing the new law. There is plenty of business that they have already through discussion about other clubs like 'normal' FKKs. Discussion of BBBJ in the FKK threads could still infringe the law but everyone knows that it is the places that specialise in wholesaling BBFS activity which the authorities are really concerned about.
Hessen Bub
04-29-17, 09:42
For the same reasons as was already discussed on this board about 18 months to 2 years ago when Friere cafe banned AO posts but did not remove whole RTC forum threads. Don't you remember, Hubba?
These sites like Friere Cafe just don't want the hassle and know that if they pull entire RTC / AO club threads / forums then there will be no possibility that they could be infringing the new law. There is plenty of business that they have already through discussion about other clubs like 'normal' FKKs. Discussion of BBBJ in the FKK threads could still infringe the law but everyone knows that it is the places that specialise in wholesaling BBFS activity which the authorities are really concerned about.No I do not remember, I don't read there.
The new law applies to Germany, to all clubs, so reports about BB or BBBJ are a problem. So they (like every other board) will have to make sure that it is not reported about anymore. No matter which club, apartment, escort, street hookers. Did they shut down the board or delete other forums? No the didn't. Just some, all with the same owner. Coincidence?
HB.
As you might know the management of the RTC chain (Like F39, Arabella, etc) ORDERED Freiercafe to remove all posts of their clubs from FC website. So it was not initiative of FC but from RTC management.
So, the new law did is not directly the cause of this, but probably indirectly it is, since RTC management wants to be clear from any possible damage far ahead of the July 1st deadline.
*ORDERED = friendly representation of what really happened, it might also be translated to threatened.
Hessen Bub
04-29-17, 10:28
They should ask themselves how it could happen that a club owner can order them to remove posts. I didn't want to spread it out here, just tried to make clear that it was not the new law which led to that decision.
HB.
On my whistle stop tour of various offerings from the sex providers (gangbangs, apartments, saunaclubs, no streetwalkers as they have been hounded almost out of existence ) I thought I ought to revisit a rtc.
Arabella was quiet. Unlike Living Room the same day there was a shortage of men. I get the general impression that Myrrh was right when he said that German men are already running shy of the new law
The business concept of 30 euro entry for no food or comfort is unattractive compared to 60 euros or less for a day with food and comfort at a non rtc club.
There were about 8 girls with photo cards by the desk. The Theke Frau was relaxed and welcoming. The girls generally could not compare with the top 25% at Living Room, apart from one girl who was young and super slim..Absolutely top level looks. Unfortunately she stopped working just after I arrived: maybe unwell, I don't know. I had been recommended Alexandra but she was absent.
I went with Amira. Anyone who knows my tastes would be surprised at my slightly overweight choice. The session was absolutely top rate, which is what I have always found in rtc. DFK enthusiastically, and she had an orgasm within ten minutes. This is the sort of service I aim to get but seems to be increasingly rare in the big clubs.
I gave her the asking price of 30 euros plus a 10 euro tip, for which she did not ask.
Worth every euro. Which is why I object to being told in Sharks that 50 euros only buys fuck and suck or that spending 500 euros a day is not much
Member #4460
04-30-17, 23:48
What time did you get there?
Alexandra usually leaves like 5:30 pm or 6:00 pm sometimes, but then again, sometimes one or two of the girls have errands to run on some days.
Ariana and Alexandra are my two favorites (yes, I like them thin with a cute face)!
Wandering. The Theke Frau said Alexandra had a free day. The slim girl (Ariana) left about 14.00.
Arabella was quiet. Unlike Living Room the same day there was a shortage of men. I get the general impression that Myrrh was right when he said that German men are already running shy of the new law
I went with Amira. Anyone who knows my tastes would be surprised at my slightly overweight choice. The session was absolutely top rate, which is what I have always found in rtc. DFK enthusiastically, and she had an orgasm within ten minutes. This is the sort of service I aim to get but seems to be increasingly rare in the big clubs.
I gave her the asking price of 30 euros plus a 10 euro tip, for which she did not ask.My understanding is that many Germans tend to take a few days holiday either side of the Easter weekend so this probably contributed to the low numbers.
Also, I thought that you were resolutely against tipping of any amount and I am sure that I have seen posts by you in the past chiding others about the dangers to the mongering eco-system caused by tipping?
ExpatLover
05-01-17, 07:16
My understanding is that many Germans tend to take a few days holiday either side of the Easter weekend so this probably contributed to the low numbers.
Also, I thought that you were resolutely against tipping of any amount and I am sure that I have seen posts by you in the past chiding others about the dangers to the mongering eco-system caused by tipping?Not rare you just need to know the girls, Saturday one of my regular girl told me 5 times thank you because I was able to make her come obviously it took me a long time and energy.
My understanding is that many Germans tend to take a few days holiday either side of the Easter weekend so this probably contributed to the low numbers.
Also, I thought that you were resolutely against tipping of any amount and I am sure that I have seen posts by you in the past chiding others about the dangers to the mongering eco-system caused by tipping? Mea culpa. My sins are discovered :) Frailty thy name is Optimist.
Quite right. I always campaign against tipping for the reasons you say. But like all rules there are times to bend them. Maybe I should not have but I did as the service (if not the looks) was at the top of the pyramid.
You are right: I am almost fanatical in my objections to up selling and the effect of tipping on the eco system. I do tip occasionally but increasingly rarely.
As for numbers, LR and GT were heaving on the same day having the advantage of good outside areas and food.
I think your view that some German men appear already to be changing their behaviour in advance of July 1 may be correct
Quite right. I always campaign against tipping for the reasons you say. But like all rules there are times to bend them. Maybe I should not have but I did as the service (if not the looks) was at the top of the pyramid.
You are right: I am almost fanatical in my objections to up selling and the effect of tipping on the eco system. I do tip occasionally but increasingly rarely.I wasn't criticizing, Opti, as I myself have tipped on a few occasions before but a very long time ago when I first started going to these clubs. Guys however may take the view that it is their own money and they should be able to do what they please with it, without being preached to.
What I've found personally is that there is zero benefit to me from tipping. The girls are rarely truly appreciative and they never remember your largess for any length of time. The normal reaction is one of " Well OK, if he wants to give me extra then I would be a fool not to take it". The sort of reaction that you would give if you were walking down a street and there was some guy handing out free DVDs on the street corner. You would take as many as he is giving away but halfway down the street you wouldn't even remember what he looked like. Your thoughts would be turning to whether there was another giveaway around the corner. This is essentially how the girls think.
The only possible advantage for tipping I think is that it makes you feel good in the moment. The empowerment feeling that you get because you have the money and therefore the power to make the girls really happy. But the girls are only happy for a few minutes before their thoughts turn to finding the next customer. There is also the moral 'high' that you get because you think that you are 'doing good' in some way. But we are supposed to be mongers, not do-gooders.
There were girls who I have tipped before and when I return to Germany they smile when they see me. But it soon becomes clear that they smiled because they remember my face and the fact that I had visited before and was now returning but had clearly forgotten that I had given them a tip in the past. These girls see so many guys per month, per week and even per day. They quickly forget.
Unfortunately tipping does not fit well with the German low cost consumer culture. In Germany 30 euros is a hell of a lot of money. Especially for these girls. You can stay in a hotel for a day or eat for a week on 30 euros. If these girls are getting a minimum of 4 or 5+ customers every day at 30 euros each then they are earning way above the German pay average. The girls that I tend to be attracted to are the ones with at least this sort of turnover. Tipping them would not have much effect as they are already making more than enough money. You just need to be able to grab them when they become available and be ready to point and shoot when you get the opportunity so they can be on to the next.
On one of my first visits to these RTCs I gave a 5 euro tip to thekefrau when leaving the club and she gave me a look of concern, almost panic, as if I had misunderstood things and thought that I had to pay on the way out as well the entrance fee. So tipping is not expected or needed in these places.
On another occasion I had gone with several different girls over a few visits to a particular club. One unattractive girl kept pestering me each visit because she saw me going with other girls but always overlooking her. Unfortunately she was just way too unattractive to contemplate engaging, not even for a mercy fuck. On one visit when I was leaving I felt a bit sorry for her so I handed her a 20 euro note. I expected an excited reaction but she looked at it suspiciously as if to say 'what's this for? She had reasonable grasp of English so I told her it was a tip but she just shrugged her shoulders as if to say 'OK, whatever!" and stuffed it into her handbag without another word.
The only way tipping would work for me is if I had the tendency to see the same girl all the time. If she performed particularly well on occasion then I would give her a tip. This would keep her trying hard in the hope of a bonus. However if I got into the habit of regularly tipping her then she would come to expect it whatever happened. So sex would end up always being more expensive than it would do otherwise.
However I get my thrills from trying completely new pussy. Usually a repeat visit with a girl is never as exciting as the first time around when you are experiencing something new. Rather than going with a few girls and paying each well I would prefer to go with many girls and pay standard rates.
If you are a big tipper the other girls may not always find out and give you special attention. Girls do not always boast to others about how they got extra money and it may be in their interests not to, in case the other girls find out and start targeting that girls 'cash cow'. However if a guy goes to the rooms often with different girls then this always get noticed by the other girls. They will assume that this guy is a big spender and will be positioning themselves so that they can be the one chosen next.
A guy who sifts through the girls carefully and never pays more than what he needs to so that he gets value for money is respected by the girls, because he is seen as sensible. However, a guy who throws his money around needlessly is seen as just a bit of a fool who the girls will have plenty of fun tak.
Myrrh. I know you weren't criticising. I think I agree with every word you say. I don't think tipping buys any better service, especially at clubs like Sharks. It may, especially if the girl is nice, make her more comfortable with you when you repeat.
I usually tip when I really appreciate a girl. I have even, hours after a room finished, given a girl a 50 because she had repeatedly had sessions with me which overran but she didn't charge for. However this attitude has almost disappeared now, and girls even demand tips!!
This time I tipped Amira because I was so pissed off with the princesses at Sharks who tell me that 500 spent on them is not much money!
If you read the Sharks thread you will see there are guys who, being saviour of girls, are proposing a minimum charge of 60, or even 100. As if the girls weren't making a fortune. One girl at Venus once gave me the details of her earnings and spending and saving:she was a lot better off than me, even doing 30 euro sessions.
BigBuddy69
05-05-17, 17:06
Bring some chocolates: the girls always remember it. I tipped in Haus Panthera when one of the girls let me pass the 30 minutes mark a few times without asking more.
Bring some chocolates: the girls always remember it. I tipped in Haus Panthera when one of the girls let me pass the 30 minutes mark a few times without asking more.When foods are not good, girls enjoy chocolates. One of my very regular like very much and eat between clients. A sweet time for her.
TankTank123
05-06-17, 10:20
Bring some chocolates: the girls always remember it.2 weeks ago, I saw a guy take out many large trays of Ferrero Rochers from his travel bag. I was wondering whether it was for:
a. A single girl, who would likely be plump after consuming so much chocolates.
b. Many girls, which means that he was planning to do about 4-5 girls that evening.
c. Selling / passing on to other customers who have listened to your advice for use on their own girls!
Chocolate given out to all girls present means the girls talk you briefly outside the normal potential customer perspective. I think it works well in smaller clubs.
Hessen Bub
05-06-17, 11:50
Chocolate given out to all girls present means the girls talk you briefly outside the normal potential customer perspective. I think it works well in smaller clubs.Works in all clubs. Even if others deny that. ;)
HB.
BigBuddy69
05-06-17, 13:11
I forgot to say: bring good chocolate, not those awful Ferrero!
Works in all clubs. Even if others deny that. ;)I don't deny that it works in all clubs, but it doesn't work on all girls. LOL.
ExpatLover
05-06-17, 17:30
I don't deny that it works in all clubs, but it doesn't work on all girls. LOL.You can replace the chocolate by banknotes this for sure will work with all girls.
I forgot to say: bring good chocolate, not those awful Ferrero!I like Ferrero, but for my more than 1 year and half regular, only Swiss chocolate. She seems to like and Im happy when she eat, even I know she is sex superwoman.
I visited Grimberg recently and during that visit they did STD tests of the girls. They had to give uri*e sample and blood sample to a pair of medical personnel who came to the club. I asked about this and apparently they do this once every month. I've visited Grimberg a few times but have never seen this before.
Thought you might be interested to know about this.
ExpatLover
05-13-17, 17:03
I visited Grimberg recently and during that visit they did STD tests of the girls. They had to give uri*e sample and blood sample to a pair of medical personnel who came to the club. I asked about this and apparently they do this once every month. I've visited Grimberg a few times but have never seen this before.
Thought you might be interested to know about this.Sorry but all this is cheating, don't trust any of this checking just go and visit a doctor in any serious hospital in Europe, USA, Australia. But please not China, India etc. And ask him about how to protect yourself about HIV.
I visited Grimberg recently and during that visit they did STD tests of the girls. They had to give uri*e sample and blood sample to a pair of medical personnel who came to the club. I asked about this and apparently they do this once every month. I've visited Grimberg a few times but have never seen this before.
Thought you might be interested to know about this.This must sound as about as re-assuring as a patient letting his dentist know that he brushes his teeth at least once every month.
I expect the reason why you haven't seen it before (and why I haven't seen it despite dozens of trips to different RTCs over the years, sometimes spending all day there) is because it is so infrequent.
I noticed on a recent trip to Villa Venus that after I had chosen the girl and we have gone to the room that she suddenly excuses herself and says she has to go to the bathroom.
I am then left waiting on the bed for 5 minutes or more before the girl returns. Sometimes the wait is so long I begin to think that the girl has changed her mind. This is a bit of a passion dampener especially if you had built up the urge to go with a girl and then are just left in limbo.
After the girl returns and gives a blow job, it is time for sex, but I found that they all routinely got out large tubes of gel and applied some of it to their pussies before offering to apply some to my penis. I always refuse.
Then when the sex begins it is immediately apparent that they are extremely slushy. More slushy than can be accounted for by the application of gel to their pussies that I saw in the room.
Basically, you then have to spend many minutes of hard fucking to 'dry' them out a bit before you start getting any real friction. That is if your dick hasn't started wilting long before then.
Has anyone else noticed this? It seems like a very cynical attitude to customer service that the girls at this particular club have decided to universally adopt and if it continues I may decide to leave this place off future tours of the clubs.
Vito Corleone
06-03-17, 08:11
I noticed on a recent trip to Villa Venus that after I had chosen the girl and we have gone to the room that she suddenly excuses herself and says she has to go to the bathroom.
I am then left waiting on the bed for 5 minutes or more before the girl returns. Sometimes the wait is so long I begin to think that the girl has changed her mind. This is a bit of a passion dampener especially if you had built up the urge to go with a girl and then are just left in limbo.
After the girl returns and gives a blow job, it is time for sex, but I found that they all routinely got out large tubes of gel and applied some of it to their pussies before offering to apply some to my penis. I always refuse.
Then when the sex begins it is immediately apparent that they are extremely slushy. More slushy than can be accounted for by the application of gel to their pussies that I saw in the room.
Basically, you then have to spend many minutes of hard fucking to 'dry' them out a bit before you start getting any real friction. That is if your dick hasn't started wilting long before then.
Has anyone else noticed this? It seems like a very cynical attitude to customer service that the girls at this particular club have decided to universally adopt and if it continues I may decide to leave this place off future tours of the clubs.Been going on for the past 2 years. Once in the room they wash their pizda using the bidet. Some might use the time to squirt lube inside. It doesn't count against the 25-30 room time so never bothered me.
ExpatLover
06-03-17, 22:17
Been going on for the past 2 years. Once in the room they wash their pizda using the bidet. Some might use the time to squirt lube inside. It doesn't count against the 25-30 room time so never bothered me.Maybe you have a oversized dick? Yes when the girls doesn't know you she will put lube, or for a 50 euros session. If you book her for a long session obviously she not, even you are her first customer of the day just to please you and to make you return to her. The girls are not stupid and they perfectly know what the men like.
Been going on for the past 2 years. Once in the room they wash their pizda using the bidet. Some might use the time to squirt lube inside. It doesn't count against the 25-30 room time so never bothered me.Maybe I haven't been going to this place often enough to notice, but I had always thought that the time for the girls to go and wash their cunnies was after they had finished with a guy and not just before so that the guy is left lying there waiting on the bed with a hard on. I find the girls in other clubs just go straight to the room and get right down to it, perhaps pausing briefly to spit in their hands and rub it on their pussies if they are a little dry. The dousing of the pussy with gel by the VV girls so that you can hear loud squelching noises whilst you shag reminds me of what hookers in London used to do which is one of the reasons I stopped mongering there.
About 15 girls, with a couple of slim, nice looking, plus one pregnant girl, and a range of other sizes. I went to catch up with a couple of ISG members.
Was a very short visit, arriving at 8. 00, paying the 30 entry, and by 10.00 the Theke Frau and separately a girl, were coming round saying that it was "last orders" !.
My arrival was delayed by trying to arrange an incall at an apartment, but this proved as difficult as ever, with nothing but number unavailable messages.
Nothing to add about the club. Entry at 30 gets you a shower and a towel, cold drinks, a biscuit or two, and somewhere warm to sit, including a small yard. The naked girls don't approach but sit on the sofa awaiting the call. Talking to the other members it seems the service remains as good as ever (no crazy upselling).
No problems parking on street. I was a bit concerned after the car break ins on several occasions a few years ago, but I guess that's all past.
ExpatLover
06-08-17, 07:38
About 15 girls, with a couple of slim, nice looking, plus one pregnant girl, and a range of other sizes. I went to catch up with a couple of ISG members.
Was a very short visit, arriving at 8. 00, paying the 30 entry, and by 10.00 the Theke Frau and separately a girl, were coming round saying that it was "last orders" !.
My arrival was delayed by trying to arrange an incall at an apartment, but this proved as difficult as ever, with nothing but number unavailable messages.
Nothing to add about the club. Entry at 30 gets you a shower and a towel, cold drinks, a biscuit or two, and somewhere warm to sit, including a small yard. The naked girls don't approach but sit on the sofa awaiting the call. Talking to the other members it seems the service remains as good as ever (no crazy upselling).
No problems parking on street. I was a bit concerned after the car break ins on several occasions a few years ago, but I guess that's all past.Sorry but I don t go in a club with a LU of 15 girls this is a ridiculous number compare to big Hessen clubs.
BigBuddy69
06-08-17, 15:14
Hello optimist, how is the pregnant girl looking? Good? I think it will be forbidden after the 1st July to have sex with a pregnant WG. Too bad I'll only come back mid July.
ExpatLover
06-08-17, 20:32
Hello optimist, how is the pregnant girl looking? Good? I think it will be forbidden after the 1st July to have sex with a pregnant WG. Too bad I'll only come back mid July.I don't believe it will be forbidden, as long you use condom and the girl is registered (if new in the business otherwise she have time until 1st of Jan.).
Talking to the other members it seems the service remains as good as ever (no crazy upselling).The statement that 'the service remains as good as ever' I think is a relative one. Relative to 'normal sized' FKKs then yes. But my experiences at VV recently of waiting with a stiffy on the bed for several minutes for the girl to return before squelching away on top of her for another 10 minutes or so, like I am marching with Wellington boots through a muddy, cow field, is my giveaway that this place does not provide particularly good service compared to other RTCs.
Hello optimist, how is the pregnant girl looking? Good? I think it will be forbidden after the 1st July to have sex with a pregnant WG. Too bad I'll only come back mid July.Nicole is her name and she is not looking particularly good to be honest. Horrible, sticky out teeth which look like the sort of teeth that the props manager on the Austin Powers film set would have rejected as being totally unrealistic. Plus a mullet hairstyle straight from the 70's /80's.
I could not believe my eyes when I saw her walking round with a stomach which was swollen well beyond the bounds of the normal seal pup body types that many of the girls in these RTCs are sporting. Nipples were thick and engorged too. She saw me looking at her and gave me an inviting smile and I was more than tempted because banging a pregnant woman bare is not something that you get the opportunity to do every day of the week. But there was something slightly sick about the scenario of adding my baby batter on top of the baby's head which made me a bit hesitant. To be completely honest though it was the fact that she was not really attractive which truly put me off.
It clearly shows that she must really need the money to provide for little junior's future welfare as to why she is still at it so late in the game. But I would advice you to hurry as she looked like she was just about getting ready to pop.
Ahh. So she is pregnant. I spent most of my stay wondering whether it is pregnancy or just really weird extra weight that totally spares the hip areas. And of course I could not think of a way to ask without looking like a fool if the answer was that she was not pregnant.
She looks about 6 months pregnant.
As for attractiveness, it is subjective, but in my opinion it is a face that only a mother could love.
About Villa Venus, it seems to be one of the few places where you pay first up front before sex. I wonder if there were a lot of "dine and dash" people in the past, or did people used to get robbed there and then couldn't pay for the girl after sex?
I remember waiting for quite some time in the room (about 5-10 minutes or so) after we book the time and the girl left to freshen up first. Sometimes I lose the erection and mood during that wait. When she asked, "What's wrong? I felt awkward and didn't know what to say (when I really wanted to tell her the waiting is a downer)!
I hope you do not mind me asking, but what are all the AO FKK clubs in Germany? Reading the reviews, it is hard to determine which are and which aren't.
Thank you.
BigBuddy69
06-09-17, 06:47
Thanks to both of you for the portrait, I think I'll pass on this one. And I won't be there before mid July.
Myrrh. Exactly the point I was making about service. No one asks for 200 for a hour for the service which here is only 30% of that cost. As you say, the choice is very limited if you are after a really good looking girl.
I hope you do not mind me asking, but what are all the AO FKK clubs in Germany? Reading the reviews, it is hard to determine which are and which aren't.
Thank you.Really? Well you are in the right place at least, just keep reading all the posts in this thread to get the names.
I hope you do not mind me asking, but what are all the AO FKK clubs in Germany? Reading the reviews, it is hard to determine which are and which aren't.
Thank you.After July 1, I don't know. At least the admissions and the price of sex will be still cheaper than the regular FKKs at 30-40 Euros instead of 50 (or more for extras) Euros.
About Villa Venus, it seems to be one of the few places where you pay first up front before sex. I wonder if there were a lot of "dine and dash" people in the past, or did people used to get robbed there and then couldn't pay for the girl after sex?
I remember waiting for quite some time in the room (about 5-10 minutes or so) after we book the time and the girl left to freshen up first. Sometimes I lose the erection and mood during that wait. When she asked, "What's wrong? I felt awkward and didn't know what to say (when I really wanted to tell her the waiting is a downer)!At last corroboration from another member (a regular member of only 2 previous posts) of the observation that I made several days ago, that the girls at VV are deliberately making punters wait for several minutes in the room on their own with a stiff whilst they 'freshen up'. Which to all intents and purposes means they are taking the time without being observed to squirt as much gel up their cunnys as it can hold so that when the guy is fucking them the girl doesn't feel a thing (and neither does the guy).
I haven't noticed this before at VV, although to be honest I have only visited sporadically over the past couple of years or so, but it seems to be a fairly recent phenomenon. Or at least only recently that the girls have all decided together that they would adopt this ploy. All four girls that I went with on a recent visit all adopted this tactic and I haven't noticed it at other places like Arabella, Grimberg and F39.
As for DMD's reporting that he had to pay for his sessions in advance, I can comment that this has only ever happened to me once at an RTC and that was a a year or so ago and again at Villa Venus, no where else. I was so surprised at the time when the girl asked for money in advance that I even went and checked with thekefrau who confirmed that this was the requirement. I avoided this club for a long while as a result and on my next visit the procedure was back to normal.
Also this club is still not bothering to display the photos or even the names of the girls that are working on a particular day. Something that I reported a while back. So it is difficult for the visitor to make the most from his visit. For example, checking the appearance of the girls on duty before deciding whether to part with the entrance fee or deciding whether he should wait to see if a girl that he knows is on duty becomes available later. Apparently the name card display cabinet became damaged and they have simply decided not to bother replacing it, even though all the other similar clubs have this.
In many ways this place provides cynically poor customer service compared to the others.
Not to mention the problems with damage to cars left outside the club. On my last visit a patron mentioned that his car wing mirror was maliciously bent and twisted by a passerby although his car was not broken into.
Paying upfront. Not at Venus this week when I went.
Paying upfront. Not at Venus this week when I went.Thank gawd they don't do that again! I mean, it makes me, the customer, feel like I can't be trusted. It's also a mood killer (other than the wait time before sex).
I went with 3 girls at Villa Venus last week.
All 3 had me wait in the room for about 5 minutes before coming back and getting down to action.
None of the 3 asked for payment upfront and were paid as usual at the safety deposit boxes after the time together.
I went with Ina, Marissa and Alexia. All were quite pretty to me, with Ina probably being the best looking one with amazing super firm and perky B / C cup tits (the benefit of being only 20 years old with no signs of post-baby damage). Marissa was by far and away the most enthusiastic in bed.
Triptogamont
06-15-17, 17:45
Went to Villa Venus last week. GPS was my best friend, putting me right at the front door around 2030. I parked 50 feet away. The area is very industrial, but no one was around. I had not heard of any car issues beforehand, or I would have been more worried.
Walked up, rang the bell, got buzzed in. Very nice, slim, naked girl opens the door and shows me to the counter. I pay my 30 entrance fee, drop my valuables in the small locker upstairs, go downstairs to put my clothes in the big locker, shower, come back up wearing my towel and a smile. I scan the place, and see only 5-6 girls. And only one girl I'd like to take to a room, the girl who opened the door. I sit for a while on the couch one away from her in order to keep looking around. A few other girls come and go, but again, I only want one.
I get up and sit next to her. She introduces herself as Larissa from Romania. Thin, small breasts, maybe 165 cm. Long black hair. Pretty face, but her teeth could use some work. No tattoos. In seconds, she's kissing me and stroking me under the towel, and yes, I want to go to the room. She goes to get the key and comes back immediately In the room, we lay down towels. If I am remembering correctly, she never leaves the room. The only reason I mention this is because of recent posts where people have brought this up. Excellent BBBJ. She puts a little bit of lube on her hand, maybe the size of a pea? Rubs it in. Excellent sex in multiple positions with good eye contact, moaning, soft touching. Overall, an excellent session. Clean up, she leads me to a separate bathroom where we both wash up. Back to the locker where I hand her the paperwork. This is after the session, and the only reason I mention that is because of other recent posts. Fabulous way to spend 30. Hug and kiss goodbye.
I go back and sit on the same couch. No other ladies I'd like to see. Two guys are sitting on a couch on the other side of the room. I think one is an ISG member I have exchanged some PMs with a couple of times. Feeling like a kid in school, I introduce myself and sit on the next couch over. We have an interesting conversation over the next half hour or so. I notice the pregnant girl and am a bit shocked. I did not get a look at her face, so cannot comment. Suddenly, the management tells us that they are closing soon. Really? It's not even 2200! Oh well, the others have to leave, but I want one more session.
I sit next to Diana from Romania. Tiny girl, can't be more than 145 cm. But she's got the curvy body of a woman, pretty face, nice breasts. She kisses me then says we should go to the room right away since everyone has to leave. No problem. Again, she does not leave the room. Again, just a little bit of lube. Very nice session. Her BBBJ and Asian cowgirl are fantastic. Flip her all around into every position I can think of. She's so small and flexible! Pay her at the lockers afterwards.
I am the last guy in the building. I take a quick shower, get dressed, gather all my stuff, thank the ladies still present, and leave. No issues at all at my car. Again, I mention this because of other posts.
I had a very good time at Villa Venus. 90 very very well spent. I was honored to meet a couple of members here of long standing. The lineup was pretty small, and I was not very impressed. I roomed with the only two worthwhile, IMHO. That being said, I wasn't expecting a long line of Victoria Secret models, so I am not complaining.
Triptogamont
06-17-17, 01:44
Hadn't been feeling well early this week, but was running out of time in FKK land, so I figured I'd try Freude 39. GPS dropped me right at their door with no problems around noon. Rang the bell, got buzzed in. Paid my 30 entry, was given a towel and two keys, one for small locker upstairs, one for big locker downstairs. Went down, undressed, took a shower, and changed.
Came back up to have a look around. Overall, was not very impressed with the lineup. Maybe 10 girls, and no real lookers. About as many guys. But I noticed one girl with a nice face and pretty smile. Sat next to her and introduced myself.
She says her name is Anna, and she's from Romania. Shoulder length light brown hair. Maybe 165 cm. Pretty face, average body. She stroked me softly and Little Trip was willing, so off to the room. Nice soft kisses, good BBBJ. Covered sex in multiple positions isn't bad. But I'm still not 100% and things just aren't working for me. Oh well, probably should have rested another day instead of coming here. So we sit and chat for a bit, when suddenly she gets a shy, sexy smile. Slowly strokes and teases me with fingers and fingernails. Little Trip responds tentatively. She strokes and sucks me back to life, slowly but surely, until I finally bust in her hands. Wonderful! Most girls go straight from zero to full speed, but she did a great job of starting slowly and letting things build. Easily worth 30.
Pay her at the small lockers, then go downstairs to shower. Back up and wander around a little bit. More girls and more guys. Some nice, slim bodies, but not so great faces. One young girl is very good looking, but she looks very worried and is deep in conversation with another. Not sure why, but that puts me off of her. Finally, after getting some soda at the bar, I see a girl near the door. I grab a couch to watch her for a bit. She jumps up every time the bell rings to let a new guy in. I like her body, so I go and sit next to her.
Vanessa from Bulgaria, 160 cm, black hair to shoulder blades. Slim body. Nice, smallish breasts. Cuddly and LFK on the couch. Cuddly and DFK in the room. Excellent BBBJ. Excellent multiple positions in the room. Bust on her stomach. Very very nice. Another 30 well spent. Lots of hugs and kisses after in the room, and on the way up to the lockers.
I'm done and have to get going. Had a good time at Freude. Great way to spend 90 euro. Vanessa escorts me to the door as I'm leaving with a final hug and a few kisses.
She says her name is Anna, and she's from Romania. Shoulder length light brown hair. Maybe 165 cm. Pretty face, average body. She stroked me softly and Little Trip was willing, so off to the room. Nice soft kisses, good BBBJ. Covered sex in multiple positions isn't bad. But I'm still not 100% and things just aren't working for me. Oh well, probably should have rested another day instead of coming here. So we sit and chat for a bit, when suddenly she gets a shy, sexy smile. Slowly strokes and teases me with fingers and fingernails. Little Trip responds tentatively. She strokes and sucks me back to life, slowly but surely, until I finally bust in her hands. Wonderful! Most girls go straight from zero to full speed, but she did a great job of starting slowly and letting things build. Easily worth 30.
Vanessa from Bulgaria, 160 cm, black hair to shoulder blades. Slim body. Nice, smallish breasts. Cuddly and LFK on the couch. Cuddly and DFK in the room. Excellent BBBJ. Excellent multiple positions in the room. Bust on her stomach. Very very nice. Another 30 well spent. Lots of hugs and kisses after in the room, and on the way up to the lockers..The two that you mentioned are probably not the two most appealing girls who ever worked at F39.
Anna is a very nice girl. I mean in terms of personality. Warm, caring, fun loving, attentive, affectionate. I have willed myself to go with her many times as she is always chasing me round the club when she sees me. The face is just about acceptable although a little haggard. But it is the body that lets her down badly. Soft bodied, round shouldered, droopy tits and a paunchy stomach. It would take supreme will power to get it up for her. Will power that I don't have. Shame, as she is a lovely girl.
Vanessa I believe is actually from Turkey not Bulgaria. That is what she told me anyway. When I first saw her over a year ago I was struck by the fact that she was petite, with a pert ass and long black hair which went all the way down to her butt. She has strong, dark eyebrows, almond eyes and long black eyelashes, so has a fairly striking face. If she catches you looking at her she likes to give you lots of little lingering gazes whilst smiling alluringly.
So I went with her but not sooner than we started than she warned me that I shouldn't come inside. Maybe she should have told me before we went to the room? I was going to go with what she said but then she warned me at least another couple of times during the sex just in case I forgot. This kind of killed the mood for me and irritated me a little so I decided that I might not completely comply and maybe put a little inside her and the rest outside. But she must have been listening for changes in my breathing because as soon as I started to come she immediately pulled away and all of it went on the towel we were lying on. I must have had a completely full tank because when I saw the amount that I had spilled on the towel instead of inside her I was a little gutted. It would have made a great creampie.
I never quite forgave her and when I saw her again a few months later she clearly remembered that we had gone together once but could not understand why I didn't want to go with her again even though she kept calling out to me whenever I walked past.
Triptogamont
07-01-17, 04:36
The two that you mentioned are probably not the two most appealing girls who ever worked at F39.
Anna is a very nice girl. I mean in terms of personality. Warm, caring, fun loving, attentive, affectionate. I have willed myself to go with her many times as she is always chasing me round the club when she sees me. The face is just about acceptable although a little haggard. But it is the body that lets her down badly. Soft bodied, round shouldered, droopy tits and a paunchy stomach. It would take supreme will power to get it up for her. Will power that I don't have. Shame, as she is a lovely girl.
Vanessa I believe is actually from Turkey not Bulgaria. That is what she told me anyway. When I first saw her over a year ago I was struck by the fact that she was petite, with a pert ass and long black hair which went all the way down to her butt. She has strong, dark eyebrows, almond eyes and long black eyelashes, so has a fairly striking face. If she catches you looking at her she likes to give you lots of little lingering gazes whilst smiling alluringly..I was not very impressed by the lineup at Freude the day I went. But I wasn't expecting a whole lot either.
I chose Anna because of her face and smile. And because I hadn't seen Vanessa yet. I don't regret it, but I would not repeat.
I'm pretty sure Vanessa told me Bulgaria, but I could very well be wrong. Maybe she's Romanian and lying to us both. I thought she was easily the best looking girl I saw that day. She asked me not to finish inside also, but only once. I had no issue with that, because I tend to enjoy seeing the cum fly. I probably watch too much porn.
As I said in a post elsewhere, I'm probably one of those tourists that you regulars hate. I have an average session with a girl and walk away happy because it's still a lot cheaper than anything available where I normally play. If I went to these clubs all the time, I would definitely have to learn to be more selective and figure out who the best performers are.
Trip. Glad you found Larissa: she always gets me to finish, which makes her a class act from my point of view.
When I was last there theclub started to close well before 22.00, even though I was planning another session.
I'll be back at VV in a couple of weeks.
Has anybody been to V. V,Grimberg or Arabella after 1. Of July.
Has the New Law changed anything.
Please send a private Message if you don't want to Write on the forum.
BigBuddy69
07-12-17, 18:42
Without talking about the services, I'd like to know if the prices have changed like in Dietz. Last time I checked, there was an happy hour in F39 but the prices of the sessions were too high (50€/30 min). Is it the same in VV and in Arabella?
Without talking about the services, I'd like to know if the prices have changed like in Dietz. Last time I checked, there was an happy hour in F39 but the prices of the sessions were too high (50/30 min). Is it the same in VV and in Arabella?Last time I was there in January, there was an 20 minutes 30 euro option.
Is thiis not the case anymore?
Triptogamont
07-13-17, 00:07
Without talking about the services, I'd like to know if the prices have changed like in Dietz. Last time I checked, there was an happy hour in F39 but the prices of the sessions were too high (50/30 min). Is it the same in VV and in Arabella?They were listed on the wall in both places when I went in early June. 30 for 20 minutes. I don't remember the pricing for 30,45, 60 minutes, sorry.
BigBuddy69
07-13-17, 06:10
They were listed on the wall in both places when I went in early June. 30 for 20 minutes. I don't remember the pricing for 30,45, 60 minutes, sorry.Thank you. It must be 50 for 30 minutes and 60 for 40 or 45 min. So those clubs are now the same price as the upper-class clubs of NRW.
Thank you. It must be 50 for 30 minutes and 60 for 40 or 45 min. So those clubs are now the same price as the upper-class clubs of NRW.More expensive than Aca or Gold, for quite ugly girls when you can sometimes find real beauties at Aca.
Triptogamont
07-13-17, 14:49
Thank you. It must be 50 for 30 minutes and 60 for 40 or 45 min. So those clubs are now the same price as the upper-class clubs of NRW.There weren't many girls at either place I would want to spend more than 20 minutes with. Just an opinion.
I don't remember exact prices, but I am 90% sure they were lower than GT and Finca (my other destinations on my trip). 40 for 30 minutes? Please don't quote me.
Just last week Wanking reported the pricing was 30 for BBBJ and covered sex, 10 euro upgrade to AO sex and a further 10 euro uograde for CIM.Wanking is an all-time great on these pages. He was one of the first on this internet forum to spread the word and actively promote AO activity and AO clubs. So, it is good to see that he is doing it right up to the end.
The point is who sets the rules here? Who is the authority on these pages who imposes the deadline as to the best time that we should cease discussing AO activity altogether.
Is it 4 years ago when the idea of a new law was first mooted?
Is it 3 years ago when it was confirmed that a new law was being drafted.
Is it 2 years ago when the law was going through parliament.
Is it 1 year ago when the new law was confirmed as having being passed.
Is it 6 months, 3 months, 1 month, 1 week before the new law comes into effect.
About 2 months ago some people on the board seemed to have decided for the rest of us that we should cease discussion of AO sex from that point. Others sheepishly agreed. But why that particular point?
What I do know is that for a period in advance of the new law coming into effect that these clubs had adjusted their behaviour to one that they think will be fit the new regime. So, no advertising of AO on the internet or on name cards, no public AO sex allowed, signs saying that condoms are compulsory and so on. Then in the rooms AO sex will almost definitely be available if the girls know you. However, there is likely to be a price increase as the girls will charge a small amount for providing the AO that they did for no extra charge before.
So we would have been able to get an idea as to how the post law scenario would look like from what was happening in the few weeks before. This would be useful to to know. However if we had followed the 'controllers' in not allowing any AO talk before the law came into place then we would not have known the lie of the land as it is going to be now.
I am not incurring the costs and the time of travelling to Germany only to find that it is condom everything. I can get that at home.
Also, I don't want to be ripped off. I don't want to be paying 10 euros extra for each of BBBJ, CIM and CIP. This would mean paying 60 euros when before it was half that amount at 30 euros before the law change.
Thanks to Wanking's intrepid reporting (and his ignoring of the controllers on this board) we now know that going into the new regime that the AO service that most guys want (which is CIP) will most likely be available for just 10 euros extra. This prevents complete newbies being ripped off by the girls because they don't know what the 'going rate' is.
Then there were those guys who have been reporting that the girls are saying that they will only guarantee AO sex for those guys that are known to them from before the law took effect. Would this not be useful to know in advance of entering this new period? Armed with this information then guys would have been advised to have tried to visit a few clubs before the law change just to show their face so that the girls were likely to remember them for when they visit after the change in law. Now it would be too late.
I am probably the only one who has been making the very important point that it does not matter so much that there is a new law as to how the law is going to be enforced, if at all!
There is an indoor smoking ban in Germany in public places however you would never have guessed it given that practically all of the girl's chain smoke all day long inside the small confines of the RTC clubs with the patrons forced to inhale their smoke. The authorities don't bother with this but they would bother if you lit up in a normal German nightclub. So enforcement of the smoking ban indoors is selective by the authorities.
I strongly believe that the authorities will have far more pressing matters like concentrating on stopping those AO gangbangs which were advertised widely with mostly trafficked Romanian / Bulgarian girls before the law change where anyone could walk in off the street and join in without any testing. Also, those women who advertise for AO activities in apartments. I agree that the situation that existed before where an unwitting person could walk into a RTC and see unprotected sex happening in front of your eyes was clearly not acceptable and so needed to stop, which it has.
The authorities may not bother with RTCs, where AO sex is happening privately between consenting adults behind closed doors and there is no real evidence that it took place. Anonymous reports on forums is not credible evidence as there is lots of false reporting and claims on line. Entrapment and under cover reporting is not part of German law enforcement like it is in the US.
If AO activity is happening in an RTC club but I don't know about it then as far as I am concerned then it may as well not be happening because I cannot take part in something that is happening unless I know that it is happening in the first place.
So, I say carry on at least periodically reporting about what is happening in these places and be damned. It is highly unlikely that the authorities will bother with these private clubs anyway because it is too difficult to enforce the law here (to know what really happened between two consenting adults in a closed room) and it is unlikely that any customers will be making any complaints to the authorities because the girl allowed their request to have AO sex!
There are far more low hanging fruit for the authorities to concentrate on and reports on these forums are worthless in terms of credible evidence for authorities to act on in terms of what is happening in the RTCs. However if we find out that the authorities are enforcing the law and investigating / raiding these clubs then we can always think again.
KC Questor
07-18-17, 06:11
Is "Arabella" (thread title) the same place as "Annabella" (www.fkk-annabella.de)?
I did a search for Annabella and it keeps pointing to this thread.
Vito Corleone
07-18-17, 08:00
Is "Arabella" (thread title) the same place as "Annabella" (www.fkk-annabella.de)?
I did a search for Annabella and it keeps pointing to this thread.Same club. Girls provide great service!
No, it is different to Arabella.
Myrrh. Having read your post carefully, I would encourage you to book your short flight.
Maybe I had good fortune in my limited visits but I was not asked for any additional charges.
Christian G
07-18-17, 11:05
Is "Arabella" (thread title) the same place as "Annabella" (www.fkk-annabella.de)?
I did a search for Annabella and it keeps pointing to this thread.2 different clubs. Arabella is in Bochum and Annabella is in Hennef. Not much info about Annabella.
KC Questor
07-19-17, 01:42
2 different clubs. Arabella is in Bochum and Annabella is in Hennef. Not much info about Annabella.Got it, thanks.
Annabella's web site is very similar in design to Luderland's. Anyone know if they are sister clubs or something?
http://www.fkk-luderland.com
http://www.fkk-annabella.de/
Christian G
07-19-17, 08:59
Got it, thanks.
Annabella's web site is very similar in design to Luderland's. Anyone know if they are sister clubs or something?
http://www.fkk-luderland.com
http://www.fkk-annabella.de/Arabella, Annabella, Luderland, Grimberg, Villa Venus, Verena, Romantika are all sister clubs.
Arabella, Annabella, Luderland, Grimberg, Villa Venus, Verena, Romantika are all sister clubs.I visited La Luna and noticed a couple of girls from the above clubs, that porn movies were showing, and that (end of my world) Manele is no longer played. The atmosphere was more like a slightly smarter rtc so I'm wondering if some kind of tie up has been made. Pure speculation, based on faces a girl made in response to a general query.
I visited La Luna and noticed a couple of girls from the above clubs, that porn movies were showing, and that (end of my world) Manele is no longer played. The atmosphere was more like a slightly smarter rtc so I'm wondering if some kind of tie up has been made. Pure speculation, based on faces a girl made in response to a general query.La Luna made it's name, apart from it's monthly, infamous (Codeword) gangbangs, from it's system of FKK like additional charges for any extra sexual services provided (for example anal). Two or three of these possible services are now illegal.
The charging for additional services is of course very non-RTC like.
La Luna's business proposition of charging more for what you could get in an RTC for no extra cost was predicated on the La Luna girls being of near FKK equivalent quality rather than the fodder you find in most RTCs. But this has not been the case for a number of years now despite the extensive photoshopping on the La Luna website.
Good that La Luna is bolstering it's meagre staff rota with new blood but not so good if you are paying more at Luna for the same old rope that you could have had cheaper a few weeks earlier at Grimberg.
Myrrh. I agree in general. Yes. I wasn't going to pay LL rates for Grimberg girls. However Kathi was worth every euro. And Vanessa was so hot I was also happy. So, it's great but as you point out for a cheap trip go to the rtcs, unless you want Kathi or Vanessa or some other favourite.
Are those pictures on the La Luna pictures real? I wouldn't mind going for a visit if that's what these girls actually look like.
Are those pictures on the La Luna pictures real? I wouldn't mind going for a visit if that's what these girls actually look like.Myth says they are photoshopped. I am certain they re not. I was there when some of the pictures were taken and they use a professional photographer and lighting.Take the ages with a pinch of salt: Kathi has been 21 for at least four years.And one girl has put on a lot of weight since the photo taken well over a year ago
The pictures do of course show the girls at their best. In my view the lineup is pretty weak lookswise: only three are doable for me (for some reason Isabella really is not for me although slim). Also the number of girls with photos is only half.
Having said that Vanessa is a stunner, better than the pictures, Kathi is nice looking and stellar service.
All just my opinion. Remember that Mandy at Sharks is out of my range lookswise (of course my taste for slim will be overcome by personality.
If you tell me when you are going I can tell you if Kathi will be there.
If you are around Moers/ Duisburg it's worth a look.
The basic price is 40, and 20 euros for extras, with I think, no anal
Here's my recent post (a link won't work) from the LL thread
"Unfortunately this club is listed under AO, which no club can legally be.
I made two visits. 20 euros entry, with really friendly staff (Sharks could learn a lot), a range of fruit, nuts, and standard cake. Hairdryers which work, cheerful locker room.
I went straight for Vanessa. Gone are the days when the girls used to sit around in their pyjamas and flipflops. Platform shoes are de rigeur. Vanessa is to my mind stunning and if she were at Sharks would be at the top of my list. Lon long legs, tight ass, wild hair, and a broad grin. Performance in the room was very good, DFK, DATY (with her response) and working hard despite temperatures of 35+ centigrade. Her German is a bit limited I think, her English nonexistent, so I guess that's why she stays here.
Kathi was busy so in the interregnum I checked the girls. One or two I had previously done in Grimberg etc: that struck me as odd, given the historical sedation of LL from the rtc. Also gone is the Manele, and now there are porn movies. It felt more like Grimberg or Venus than the LL of the past. There were about ten girls, of which 3 were doable.
Kathi eventually became free. She was as passionate and tender as ever. Her kissing is on a different level to 98% of girls. I don't think a better session than Kathi is possible if one doesn't mind her basic passivity (I don't mean she is inactive or doesn't work very hard, just that she responds well to her partner being slightly in charge, as long as he is tender). An absolute top rate session by any standards. And, if one speaks Romanian, she is positively chatty. Highly recommended.
I have her holiday dates as I know some members like to go when she is there
So a really good visit with the great service I've come to expect"
Thanks for the info. I'll be around Dus mid September. But looking at the pictures I think Kathi is a stunning.
Is Kathi from La Luna the same Kathi from Grimberg?
Just wondering!
Vito Corleone
07-21-17, 20:16
Thanks for the info. I'll be around Dus mid September. But looking at the pictures I think Kathi is a stunning.2 different girls!
Is Kathi from La Luna the same Kathi from Grimberg?
Just wondering!Go to the website for a picture. Kathi has been at LL for years.
Thanks for the info. I'll be around Dus mid September. But looking at the pictures I think Kathi is a stunning.Unless plans change she'll be on holiday. I'll miss her on my next trip, bad luck for me.
Is Kathi from La Luna the same Kathi from Grimberg?
Just wondering!No, two very different girls.
Is Kathi from La Luna the same Kathi from Grimberg?The Kathi that is in the Luna website photos now looks very different from the one at Grimberg. I would have said that this was due to the wonders of photoshopping however Optimist swears that the photos on that site are never touched up.
The Kathi that is in the Luna website photos now looks very different from the one at Grimberg. I would have said that this was due to the wonders of photoshopping however Optimist swears that the photos on that site are never touched up.This surprises me. As such a prolific AO poster, I would have expected you to have been to Laluna / Angelique enough to know the pictures are pretty realistic representations. Further more I would expect any regular in this sub field of FKKs to have been with both Kathy and Kathi numerous times over the years, which would make it clear that they are very different from each other (and both worth a go). For one thing, they don't look anything like each other; for another Kathy speaks decent English and German.
Thanks for the info. I'll be around Dus mid September. But looking at the pictures I think Kathi is a stunning.How can you think pretty girls for real would work in AO clubs to be BBFS for only 30?
Yes, fake blond Esmeralda. Bu was a bit cute at F39 , same for fake blond Mina. Bu ex Aca Gold at VV, and one was prettier at VV and even one of the prettiest when she moved to Oase, but falling services. Alexandra is not so bad at Arabella.
But no top beauties want to be bareback fucked for only 30, by old Germans. Some beauties even think they worth more than everything asked for 50 at big Sharks.
How can you think pretty girls for real would work in AO clubs to be BBFS for only 30?
Yes, fake blond Esmeralda. Bu was a bit cute at F39 , same for fake blond Mina. Bu ex Aca Gold at VV, and one was prettier at VV and even one of the prettiest when she moved to Oase, but falling services. Alexandra is not so bad at Arabella.
But no top beauties want to be bareback fucked for only 30, by old Germans. Some beauties even think they worth more than everything asked for 50 at big Sharks.
There are many different reasons why girls end up in different clubs, although it is undeniably true that there are more poor looking girls in the cheap clubs, there are some real beauties offering top level service. I am happy to go to a cheap club for top looks and top service from only one girl than to go to a club with 100 girls where the girls are on average much better looking but there is no one who is a beauty giving top honest and caring passionate service.
There are plenty of conceited princesses at Sharks who are plain and/or offer poor service and think they are worth more than 50
ExpatLover
07-25-17, 18:05
There are many different reasons why girls end up in different clubs, although it is undeniably true that there are more poor looking girls in the cheap clubs, there are some real beauties offering top level service. I am happy to go to a cheap club for top looks and top service from only one girl than to go to a club with 100 girls where the girls are on average much better looking but there is no one who is a beauty giving top honest and caring passionate service.
There are plenty of conceited princesses at Sharks who are plain and/or offer poor service and think they are worth more than 50Sorry but when I visit Rom, Samya, First, Paradise, Finca, Leipzig. I never but never found a top girl, for me the top girls are in the top clubs just because it is easier for them to earn a lot of money. In the second level club also the girls are older but of course service wise they can be very good, but I don't care about the service I just need a beauty.
There are many different reasons why girls end up in different clubs, although it is undeniably true that there are more poor looking girls in the cheap clubs, there are some real beauties offering top level service. I am happy to go to a cheap club for top looks and top service from only one girl than to go to a club with 100 girls where the girls are on average much better looking but there is no one who is a beauty giving top honest and caring passionate service.
There are plenty of conceited princesses at Sharks who are plain and/or offer poor service and think they are worth more than 50I fully agree, I prefer only 1 top GFE beauty, rather than 100 GND thinking they are pretty, that's why I don't go anymore in Hessen, because they may think they are top models, they are not pretty enough for me.
But who is a beauty in AO clubs? Because I need to kiss to enjoy sex, and I can't kiss a ugly face with bad teeth, sexy body is not enough for me, I can be very demanding for look, because I m used to get the prettiest girls in clubs. For me, the prettiest a girl is, the best she can be, because her beauty will make me dream, and this is much more enjoyable than just animal sex, even with a top performer.
BigBuddy69
07-25-17, 20:59
IFor me, the prettiest a girl is, the best she can be, because her beauty will make me dream, and this is much more enjoyable than just animal sex, even with a top performer.That's what we call optifick. You should get a subscription to Playboy, it would cost you a lot less.
That's what we call optifick. You should get a subscription to Playboy, it would cost you a lot less.I don't need a top hardcore performer, beauty, behavior and manners are more enjoyable for me, because I just look for same kind of sex I had with my real life girlfriends, I don't have any sexual frustration to kill.
ExpatLover
07-26-17, 02:51
That's what we call optifick. You should get a subscription to Playboy, it would cost you a lot less.Sex is the basic (mechanical) and it was we have in common with the animals, erotic (resulting from education, culture,.) is above of sex and is what the animals don t have, it is like eating because you are hungry (Mac Donald) or gastronomie. Beauty is typically erotic, dream.)).
Visit today villa Venus.
Arrive at 10:15 thinking for happy hour but not.
Already 5 men including me when they are just open.
Entry 30.
25 min 30.
1 HR 70.
10 girls here they don't have photos with name.
Most 5/6.
Only one 7 Ina.
2 sessions.
First with Ina best looking girl here slim petite be cup tits flat stomach very pretty face.
Average BJ no 69 light kissing not on the top quiet girl but OK session.
Second session with Amira.
Better service body not great saggy tits little fat pretty face more active deep kiss good BJ.
Suggestion for hotels in North Rhine-Westphalia.
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If you book any of these hotels they give free pass for all metro train bus in this area for days you stay in the hotel.
You save a lot money with this.
Given the information black out that has been enforced by the thought policemen on here over the past several weeks I decided that I needed to visit the NRW clubs to see for myself what was happening.
At the club I visited last week I did not specify my requirements prior to entering the room. It was a girl that I had never seen before and she came and sat beside me and initiated matters.
I never like to discuss the nitty gritty contractual small print prior to entering the room as it kinds of detracts from the mood. I also like the excitement of trying out 'fresh meat' rather than going with girls where I know exactly what is going to happening. However there is an element of risk involved with this.
Once in the room she reached for her handbag and fumbled inside. What are you looking for in there, I felt like asking?
Sure enough she brought out a handful of the little plastic passion killers.
I immediately protested. It's normale, normale she said. Normal? But for who? I had not worn one of those things in anger for years.
She then started to unwrap one of them. It was clear that they would have to be used right from the off, including for the BJ, as is the letter of the law.
I made a move to get off the bed making it clear that this was no deal. Maybe she would change her mind when she saw that she would be missing out on a fee.
But she just shrugged her shoulders and said politely 'Enshuligen'.
Outside in the lounge I saw her go back to the reception to hand back the bed sheet and she then engaged in a long conversation with thekenfrau. Thekenfrau listened intently, stern faced, with pursed lips, nodding her head from time to time and with a resigned look on her face as if to say 'Yes, I know this is a continuing problem because some customers still insist on breaking the rules which causes difficulties for us'.
They both looked over towards me from time to time and I became a little concerned. Was I about to be ousted from the club and publicly humiliated.
Some of the girls sitting around were also noticing what was going on and they had seen that I and the girl had not gone over to the security lockers for me to hand over her fee. Were they thinking that the girl had provided a service and I had refused to pay? This would probably affect my chances of going with other girls.
Eventually the girl walked away from the reception and thekenfrau did not come over to speak to me. So after a while I relaxed.
Maybe I was worrying unnecessarily however with the lack of information coming out from the clubs these days about what to expect, when you are looking for the same services as before, it is natural to fear the worse in these sort of situations.
ExpatLover
08-22-17, 21:00
Given the information black out that has been enforced by the thought policemen on here over the past several weeks I decided that I needed to visit the NRW clubs to see for myself what was happening.
At the club I visited last week I did not specify my requirements prior to entering the room. It was a girl that I had never seen before and she came and sat beside me and initiated matters.
I never like to discuss the nitty gritty contractual small print prior to entering the room as it kinds of detracts from the mood. I also like the excitement of trying out 'fresh meat' rather than going with girls where I know exactly what is going to happening. However there is an element of risk involved with this.
Once in the room she reached for her handbag and fumbled inside. What are you looking for in there, I felt like asking?
Sure enough she brought out a handful of the little plastic passion killers.
I immediately protested. It's normale, normale she said. Normal? But for who? I had not worn one of those things in anger for years..Thanks for the synthetic and clear report, sorry but I don't understand your concerns, it is P6, the girls are here to earn as much they can by giving the less things possible but isn't it the same for Apple, Mercedes, MacDo, etc. If you want to fall in love you will have to put a lot of cash on the table.
Myrrh. Bad luck. Did you try any others afterwards?. Sounds intimidating.
I have heard more positive reports.
Cheers.
Myrrh, this is bad news. I expected better from some of these clubs, the news I'd read was that there was no change. But even back in the day when AO was standard I'd come across the odd girl who would want to use a condom, maybe you just found the wrong girl. Did you try with any other girls?
After my initial awkward encounter I decided it was less of a headache to stick to the girls that I already knew.
One such girl who I had been with a couple of times came over and straddled me when she saw me sitting there as she remembered me from last time. She wanted to immediately go the room. But I needed to be sure so I asked straight out whether it would be 'ohne gummi'.
You should have seen the horrified look that came over her face as if to say 'WTF? Are you completely out of your mind' Her head swung wildly from side to side to check if anyone had overheard us and I thought she was going to get whiplash. There was no one at any of the surrounding couches and no one would have heard anyway because of the loud music but she put a finger to her lips in an exaggerated shushing motion saying that we should 'sprechen in the zimmer'.
We agreed to sprechen for 20 minutes but in the end our 'chat' only lasted around 7 minutes!
ExpatLover
08-23-17, 20:28
Given the information black out that has been enforced by the thought policemen on here over the past several weeks I decided that I needed to visit the NRW clubs to see for myself what was happening.
At the club I visited last week I did not specify my requirements prior to entering the room. It was a girl that I had never seen before and she came and sat beside me and initiated matters.
I never like to discuss the nitty gritty contractual small print prior to entering the room as it kinds of detracts from the mood. I also like the excitement of trying out 'fresh meat' rather than going with girls where I know exactly what is going to happening. However there is an element of risk involved with this.
Once in the room she reached for her handbag and fumbled inside. What are you looking for in there, I felt like asking?
Sure enough she brought out a handful of the little plastic passion killers.
I immediately protested. It's normale, normale she said. Normal? But for who? I had not worn one of those things in anger for years.
She then started to unwrap one of them. It was clear that they would have to be used right from the off, including for the BJ, as is the letter of the law..Some guys like to play with their health / life, even for years there were told to put condom they don't care until they will get really sick.
Neurosynth
08-24-17, 01:33
Reviews that leave the BBBJ and AO question unanswered are like Japanese porn with the genitals pixelated out.
At the club I visited last week I did not specify my requirements prior to entering the room. It was a girl that I had never seen before and she came and sat beside me and initiated matters.
What club did you visit? Would be interesting to know: one of the RTCs? Which one? Or other, normal club? Which one?
Reviews that leave the BBBJ and AO question unanswered are like Japanese porn with the genitals pixelated out.
+1.
The club that I visited was a RTC in NRW which is why I posted it in this particular thread. I didn't particularly want to name the club because of the sensitivities expressed by some on here about confirming whether a particular club is or isn't providing AO, given its new illegal status.
Those posting their experiences nowadays must feel like they are walking a tightrope, caught in the cross hairs of two opposing factions (the Squares and the Cavaliers). Trip reporters are damned either way if they do or they don't report exactly what they experienced.
Triptogamont
08-26-17, 04:25
Reviews that leave the BBBJ and AO question unanswered are like Japanese porn with the genitals pixelated out.Do not read this post while trying to drink beer. Beer in the nasal sinuses is very painful!
Any reports on Verena lately?
I'm over there next week, 6th to the 11th, might swing by one of the days.
For about the same price I could go to former Pauschaulclub Dortmund, now saunaclub https://www.freudenhaus.de/dortmund , more rubber involved there I suppose but also more food and facilities. Any thoughts?
Pm me if anyone is around the Dortmund area those dates.
Well none I could find. Been here 6 hours and done 3 sessions. Still BBBJ.
Great night in P3 swingers in Bochum last night.
Christian G
09-09-17, 22:18
Still BBBJ..At least one good news. What about CIM and anal? Did you go to the former PC Dortmund?
At least one good news. What about CIM and anal? Did you go to the former PC Dortmund?I didn't enquire about CIM or Anal, because I had 2 good CIM in P3 swingers previous night and I don't normally pay for extras in FKKs.
There's alot of regulars in Verena who are probably getting AO etc still.
I didn't make it to former pauschal dortmund. I off to P3 swingers again tomorrow, for the afternoon party.
I had a good time in Verena even if its boring as hell there. Its a well run club and the ladies and service were good.
Christian G
09-10-17, 10:07
I didn't enquire about CIM or Anal, because I had 2 good CIM in P3 swingers previous night and I don't normally pay for extras in FKKs.
There's alot of regulars in Verena who are probably getting AO etc still.
I didn't make it to former pauschal dortmund. I off to P3 swingers again tomorrow, for the afternoon party.
I had a good time in Verena even if its boring as hell there. Its a well run club and the ladies and service were good.In the RTC CIM and anal have always been included in the 30€. Anyway I waiting your detailed report on P3, I never heard about this club and I'm curious to know about it. Thanks!
In the RTC CIM and anal have always been included in the 30. Anyway I waiting your detailed report on P3, I never heard about this club and I'm curious to know about it. Thanks!I think with the loss of AO, CIM and anal are alot less frequent. I came once in the condom and next cum was with HJ.
More later.
ExpatLover
09-10-17, 15:17
I think with the loss of AO, CIM and anal are alot less frequent. I came once in the condom and next cum was with HJ.
More later.Anal is very easy to get in all the big clubs, most of the girls are proposing it if you behave like a gentleman, if you behave like a uneducated guy only controlled by his testosterone it is more challenging.
I think with the loss of AO, CIM and anal are alot less frequent. I came once in the condom and next cum was with HJ.
More later.So is there no more AO at Arebella? Sorry if I'm asking something that is know, but I was at Arabella last year at this time and had a good time and was hoping to visit again. So what's the deal?
So is there no more AO at Arebella? Sorry if I'm asking something that is know, but I was at Arabella last year at this time and had a good time and was hoping to visit again. So what's the deal?AO is illegal since new German law on first July. Same for BBBJ. What is illegal is to ask for, but a girl who likes you, is free to please you. No risk to be prosecuted for girls.
ExpatLover
09-11-17, 19:16
So is there no more AO at Arebella? Sorry if I'm asking something that is know, but I was at Arabella last year at this time and had a good time and was hoping to visit again. So what's the deal?Just go through the forum and you will get all the answers.
AO is illegal since new German law on first July. Same for BBBJ. What is illegal is to ask for, but a girl who likes you, is free to please you. No risk to be prosecuted for girls.So if a girls asks you. "gummie or no gummie?" You can't answer that question right? What's the best way to approach it?
Neurosynth
09-12-17, 01:29
So is there no more AO at Arebella? Sorry if I'm asking something that is know, but I was at Arabella last year at this time and had a good time and was hoping to visit again. So what's the deal?The impact of this law has been somewhat exaggerated. Whatever services you've expected in the past from a given place are probably still available. It's just only done behind closed doors now. The law is mostly unenforcible, and so far we've not had a single enforcement action documented here, nor have I seen same on any other board.
ExpatLover
09-12-17, 08:04
The impact of this law has been somewhat exaggerated. Whatever services you've expected in the past from a given place are probably still available. It's just only done behind closed doors now. The law is mostly unenforcible, and so far we've not had a single enforcement action documented here, nor have I seen same on any other board.Fully right, this Sunday at Oase the blond receptionist explain very loudly 2 times to a guy that CIM is 50 euros, obviously the new law will not apply in this place.
Hi guys,
Thanks for all the feedback on the AO issue. So as I said, I'll be returning to Arabella's in a month or so after the good time I had last year. I was hoping you guys could recommend another place or two in the area to hit as well. Düsseldorf, Essen or Dortmund perhaps? I'll have a car so I can drive, but don't wish to travel too far if I don't need to.
Let me know what you guys recommend and why.
So is there no more AO at Arebella? Sorry if I'm asking something that is know, but I was at Arabella last year at this time and had a good time and was hoping to visit again. So what's the deal?I was only in Verena, not Arabella.
No AO available in Verena from my experience.
So if a girls asks you. "gummie or no gummie?" You can't answer that question right? What's the best way to approach it?If a girl ask you what please You, it stay between you and her for win-win business, but you can't force anymore a girl, threatening to complain at the desk, like did many, crying like little girls, guys before, their only way to get from girls. Now, law protect girls, they can say: No. I agree with this law. Guys will get from what they are and behave.
ExpatLover
09-14-17, 19:49
So if a girls asks you. "gummie or no gummie?" You can't answer that question right? What's the best way to approach it?Most probably the girl will never tell you g. Or not, but with condom or not, after it is your choice if you want to take the ris to pay up to 50000 euros.
So if a girls asks you. "gummie or no gummie?" You can't answer that question right? What's the best way to approach it?As Sirioja says, what you do behind closed doors is up to you and the girl. When you leave the room it is always respectful to be discreet about what you did. After all the girl may read what you write, identify you, and be unhappy with you. As Sirioja says, to a large extent, we get from the girls what we give.
As Neurosynth suggests, now is not the time to panic.We shall know more as time goes on.
I'll be visiting one of these clubs but as it will be next Sunday afternoon I doubt it will be that good. I'm just hoping that the service has not changed behind closed doors. As I don't speak German, I think that I will go back to Grimberg or Arabella where I had little trouble last time. A PM from anyone with current information would be appreciated.
I want to take a trip to Germany soon but first, I want to know what's open or closed and how are the quality of girls (in terms of looks / attitude):
FKK Airport (open or closed?
FKK-Annabella (open or closed?
Luderland (open of closed?
M-Exclusiv in Münster (open or closed?
M-Exclusiv in Buldern (open or closed?
Thanks in advance!
Christian G
09-30-17, 13:28
I want to take a trip to Germany soon but first, I want to know what's open or closed and how are the quality of girls (in terms of looks / attitude):
FKK Airport (open or closed?
FKK-Annabella (open or closed?
Luderland (open of closed?
M-Exclusiv in Mnster (open or closed?
M-Exclusiv in Buldern (open or closed?
Thanks in advance!Luderland open, friend of mine was there last week. Airport I think is closed. I don't know about others clubs you mentioned.
Grimberg, Arabella, Villa Venus, Villa Romantika, Verena, F39 are open.
I want to take a trip to Germany soon but first, I want to know what's open or closed and how are the quality of girls (in terms of looks / attitude):
FKK Airport (open or closed?
FKK-Annabella (open or closed?
Luderland (open of closed?
M-Exclusiv in Mnster (open or closed?
M-Exclusiv in Buldern (open or closed?
Thanks in advance!
I was at Luderland Friday and Arabella the Sunday before. As far as quality goes it has not changed. A few nice looking girls and others that are plain. The girls are there to do a job and can be good enough actresses for 25 minutes.
Neurosynth
10-03-17, 00:59
Anyone know about Annabella then in Hennef? Their website is still up, but I found it closed once despite that.
Anyone know about Annabella then in Hennef? Their website is still up, but I found it closed once despite that.On a German forum it was mentioned that the owner sold the establishment to a company which will convert it to a different use.
KC Questor
10-03-17, 23:40
So if a girls asks you. "gummie or no gummie?" You can't answer that question right? What's the best way to approach it?When I was at Dietzenbach last month I had a couple of girls ask me "Condom or no?" I answered the question and there was no issue with the service.
Neurosynth
10-06-17, 19:37
On a German forum it was mentioned that the owner sold the establishment to a company which will convert it to a different use.That's too bad if true. But FKK-Luderland in Leverkusen isn't too terribly far away, and it has similar services in a better facility. So for those in Bonn or Cologne it's an alternative closer than other RTC's.
To answer my own question, Annabella was closed. I didn't bother with FKK Airport, M-Exclusiv in Buldern is open, and I didn't bother with M-Exclusiv in Munster!
This is my first FR on this place but I've been here about 4 times in the past. Unfortunately, thanks to the new laws, I might not waste my time here again.
Entry fee is 7.99€ (or 8€ since they don't give you the .01€ back).
I chose the 100€ for 4 girls. 3 of the 4 follow the new laws to a T. There were 5 girls but I didn't bother with one of the girls who was old and wrinkly.
The first girl I had was Valentina. I recognized her from Bernd's (but forgot her name. Maybe also Valentina?) and she seems to recognize me. Still a cute little girl and for the price, I can't complain. I have to admit, this does seem like a step down from FKK Bernd's to being in M-Exclusiv, but I guess she's happy.
The second girl I had was Isabella. Average service and she seems disinterested. She knows me from the past few times but slaps a condom on and just goes through the motions.
The third girl was Jenny. In the darker lighting, she seems okay looking but when we went into the room, I knew I made a mistake! I found out how old she was as well (as the other girl who I didn't pick)! Sex was okay but I wasn't into it.
The fourth and last girl is Nicoletta. She seems to recognize me but after the small talk, she slaps a condom on me. I said, "Remember me?" and she looked, she realized who I was. Great sex but she gave me a dick hickey by sucking too hard, with teeth!
Out of the 4, I would pick Nicoletta and Valentina to repeat. If I ever plan another trip, I might go here unless I have nothing else to do.
If I ever plan another trip, I might go here unless I have nothing else to do.I meant to say, if I ever plan another trip, I might not go here unless I have nothing else to do! It's miles (kilometers) out of the way, the town next to the place makes you drive slowly (and has speed cameras), and you feel like you are in a barn when you're here (other than being behind a gas station, the place looks like a dump! Glad they fixed the non-working shower but I still use the one on the right).
There's a few places you can use to cover where you're really going when you're at Gelsenkirchen, Germany. There's a garden next door, the zoo, a few meters down, and a pizza restaurant that's also next door! I just too pictures of the exterior of the zoo to show the folks back home, but you know where I'm really going! Grimberg Sauna!
Entry 30€ - I was greeted by Evi, one of the girls who hangs in the living room with the three couches (usually occupied by the fat girls who's names I keep forgetting!) near the door. She's not fat, but she's old looking!
Hiding in the back couches was bony Angie (with the smoker's teeth) and a new girl, Sarah. I took Sarah first. I asked if she was Bulgarian (because she has the facial features of other Bulgarians I've met) and she says she's Romanian! Service, she was okay, but didn't know many positions. You just had to move her, but she was willing! I love the feel of her tight but wet pussy and made me cum right away. Well worth 30€!
While I was at the front, I noticed Diana! She still has that shy problem from the other place she doesn't want me to mention, and she still turns to her right so that you don't notice her slightly lazy eye on her right (but she still looks cute! I spun her around during sex and she's the perfect cum dumpster, with her perky breasts and smooth, pale skin! Also worth 30€!
I took Jasmine and Lily together because I felt, after two, I might have trouble cumming after three! Lily is still bottom heavy, but if you focus on her top portion, you're good to go! I didn't notice Jasmine had an inverted nipple on her right breast but I sucked both nipples equally! I came before the time was up. Still 60€ of enjoyment!
Next to Diana, was Delia, a girl I haven't seen at Grimberg before. She was actually really good and was really friendly. Her tight pussy made me cum, but it wasn't milky white (but a clear consistency). I guess I need a 30 minute break before I go again! 30€.
After a 45 minute break, I saw Diana was free again, so I took her (again). She never does doggie style but I like her on top of me as I cum like a volcano inside of her! 30€.
Angie kept bothering me when I was resting a little and so I went back to the front and took Delia (again)! I came in her missionary position. 30€.
With my luck, Angie was busy! I manage to leave without having Angie bother me! I had a great time and left Grimberg 240€ (sex 7 times plus admissions) lighter!
DMD2017. Much appreciated.
Kosher Kowboy
10-14-17, 15:33
I love the feel of her tight but wet pussy and made me cum right away. Well worth 30!
she's the perfect cum dumpster
I came before the time was up. Still 60 of enjoyment!
Her tight pussy made me cum, but it wasn't milky white (but a clear consistency).
I cum like a volcano inside of her!
I came in her missionary position. 30.
I like this writing style, club sounds like it would be much to my liking. Thanks for review.
DMD2017. Much appreciated.Welcome back WanderingGroo! Er sorry I meant member #4460, actually I meant to say DMD2017 of course.
Good to hear that your multi-pop ability has not been diminished whilst you have been away from here.
WanderingGroo, thanks for the report. Your stamina is astonishing!
I have had a chance to revisit Arabella over this past week.
For reasons that I can't fully explain, I have always liked this club-it is small, but the girls and The Thekefrau have always been very welcoming and I can always find a girl that I will have a great time with. In fact, I have never had a dud there.
On arrival, there were a total of 7 girls working (less than usual, but not by much-the most that I have ever seen there was 10). The seven included Ariana, Janina, Anastasia, Sabrina, Mara and 2 others the names of whom I forget (which means I had zero interest in them).
Contrary to most reports, it has been my experience that the majority (about 80%) of the girls in the small clubs do not speak any English, so I always try to remember the ones that do, as my German is far from fluent enough to get my wishes across, but you can forget a fluent conversation.
My first "get-together" was with Janina-she has been there a long time, but I have never had a chance to fuck her before. She is tall, thin and reasonably young -3 attributes that always peak my interest and her face is actually pleasant as well. The usual make up session on the couch was followed by the usual steamy session in the room and I left very satisfied. She offered a 3 some with Anastasia, but that girl is so not my type physically that I could just not bring myself to go for it.
My second was with Sabrina, she is an older lady (35 I think), a little on the heavy side, but she actually speaks some English and has a nice personality. I have always gotten along great with her and this time was no exception. I always take her for a fuck session whenever I am at Arabella.
I was going to take Ariana next (tall very think also young and fairly decent looking (although some would say she is too thin and her chest is almost flat-I have been with her before many times. Nice girl, but zero English)), but at 10 PM I was told it is time to start packing up. Apparently, even though the closing time is 11 PM, that is the time when the girls go home, so the customers are starting to get pushed towards the exit around 10 PM. In other words, do not wait until 10 PM to squeeze in one last session, as it will not happen. Make sure you have made contact with your girl of choice by 9.45 PM.
The two things that have changed since July 1st is that there is no more BBBJ on the couch prior to going to the room. The girls will do a gentle handjob instead to warm you up as part on the initial make out session (which always includes DFK). The other thing that is gone is that there is no more public sex.
It helps that Arabella is very easy to reach by public transport. Tram 302 from Bochum train station takes about 20-25 minutes to get there, or the same tram from Gelsenkirchen station takes only about 10 minutes. From the tram stop, it is only a 5 minute walk.
I love this club and definitely will be back.
I went to Arabella twice two weeks ago and I went with Jenina during both times! Ariana changed a week or two before July 1 and uses protection during sex now. I usually go with Sabrina last because she usually drains every last bit of cum out of me and then it would take me a long time to "recover" after her! There are some girls I avoid like Maria because she reminds me of my elderly neighbor I have no interest in.
ElephantBeer
10-28-17, 16:35
I've got 6 nights in NWR (coming up from Frankfurt).
Last trip I stayed in Dusseldorf. Just the IBIS HBF. And mostly ate from the train station in evenings. During days took the train to different towns to visit the clubs (Grimberg, Venus and all the rest).
This trip thinking about staying someplace more central to the action. Either Essen or Bochum? To save a bit of time on the train commute from DUS.
In Frankfurt at night (if at hotel) will hit the Red Light District or some bars, maybe get some good food. But not sure where to make my home-base for the 6 nights in NWR?
Any ideas? Nightlife, food, and quality of RLD?
Marine One
10-28-17, 22:21
I've got 6 nights in NWR (coming up from Frankfurt).
Last trip I stayed in Dusseldorf. Just the IBIS HBF. And mostly ate from the train station in evenings. During days took the train to different towns to visit the clubs (Grimberg, Venus and all the rest).
This trip thinking about staying someplace more central to the action. Either Essen or Bochum? To save a bit of time on the train commute from DUS.
In Frankfurt at night (if at hotel) will hit the Red Light District or some bars, maybe get some good food. But not sure where to make my home-base for the 6 nights in NWR?
Any ideas? Nightlife, food, and quality of RLD?I have done that trip a few times and find that there is the best selection of hotels in Essen near the HBF. The Intercity Hotel gives you a free transit pass and from there you can easily get to most AO clubs. I usually hit F39 and CLL, but Arabella and VV are also not far away. I really wish I could be there too, I love to visit the area and leave behind as many cream pies as I can.
I've got 6 nights in NWR (coming up from Frankfurt).
Last trip I stayed in Dusseldorf. Just the IBIS HBF. And mostly ate from the train station in evenings. During days took the train to different towns to visit the clubs (Grimberg, Venus and all the rest).
This trip thinking about staying someplace more central to the action. Either Essen or Bochum? To save a bit of time on the train commute from DUS.
In Frankfurt at night (if at hotel) will hit the Red Light District or some bars, maybe get some good food. But not sure where to make my home-base for the 6 nights in NWR?
Any ideas? Nightlife, food, and quality of RLD?I have never stayed in Essen, as there are no FKKs there. For me the choice is between Bochum (Arabella, Grimberg and Freude are all within a single tram ride from the train station) or Duisburg (Venus within a tram ride, and La Luna within a short train ride). Duisburg seems like a more glitzy town, wheras Bochum has a more industrial feel. Having said that, if you can get a good rate, the Mercure Hotel in Bochum is my absolute favorite. It is across the street from the train station, rooms are nice and there is a pretty hot and super nice blonde receptionist on the evening shift, who in my humble opinion could easily work in a top 5 star hotel. The entrance to the tram station is literally a 30 second walk out the front door.
But it really boils down to location-where your main FKK focus of the trip is, that is where I would make my home base.
Train station food is better in Duisburg than Bochum, but in Bochum the Bermuda Triangle (Dreideck) entertainment area is a 10 minute walk away from the train station and has a ton of bars and restaurants-always very busy on weekends. There is a great sausage place there (if you like the quintessential German Bratwurst / Currywurst) -always a line outside.
I can't speak about the RLDs as I have never partaken-I think there is supposed to be one in Duisburg.
Kosher Kowboy
10-29-17, 07:18
I have never stayed in Essen, as there are no FKKs there. For me the choice is between Bochum (Arabella, Grimberg and Freude are all within a single tram ride from the train station) or Duisburg (Venus within a tram ride, and La Luna within a short train ride). Duisburg seems like a more glitzy town, wheras Bochum has a more industrial feel. Having said that, if you can get a good rate, the Mercure Hotel in Bochum is my absolute favorite. It is across the street from the train station, rooms are nice and there is a pretty hot and super nice blonde receptionist on the evening shift, who in my humble opinion could easily work in a top 5 star hotel. The entrance to the tram station is literally a 30 second walk out the front door.
But it really boils down to location-where your main FKK focus of the trip is, that is where I would make my home base.
Train station food is better in Duisburg than Bochum, but in Bochum the Bermuda Triangle (Dreideck) entertainment area is a 10 minute walk away from the train station and has a ton of bars and restaurants-always very busy on weekends. There is a great sausage place there (if you like the quintessential German Bratwurst / Currywurst) -always a line outside.
I can't speak about the RLDs as I have never partaken-I think there is supposed to be one in Duisburg.Thank you very much for this post, very useful information. I know it is probably entirely safe to rent cars in Germany but I simply don't want the liability or the risk. I'd rather pay extra for cabs (and trains) than assume the BS that potentially could come from a car rental, just me. The ' car thread' is only confirming some of the reasons I have. To each their own, no disrespect meant to any of the car renters who do it regularly. I'm debating between Frankfurt and the NRW or combining them for December's birthday trip. Are the entry fees and price per session the same across the board pretty much and how would you rank the clubs (top 3, 3 days up there, one each day).
Thanks for the post, very useful info.
Thank you very much for this post, very useful information. I know it is probably entirely safe to rent cars in Germany but I simply don't want the liability or the risk. I'd rather pay extra for cabs (and trains) than assume the BS that potentially could come from a car rental, just me. The ' car thread' is only confirming some of the reasons I have. To each their own, no disrespect meant to any of the car renters who do it regularly. I'm debating between Frankfurt and the NRW or combining them for December's birthday trip. Are the entry fees and price per session the same across the board pretty much and how would you rank the clubs (top 3, 3 days up there, one each day).
Thanks for the post, very useful info.There is no need to take a cab to reach any of these clubs-all are easily reachable by public transport and a short walk.
Venus, Arabella, Grimberg and Verena are all very similar, with same pricing- EUR 30 for entry and EUR 30 to the girl for 25 mins. They will have about 7-9 girls each.
Freude has many more girls (around 20), but also more expensive-I think that it is EUR 30 for 20 minutes and additional EUR 10 for any extras negotiated directly with the girl (if she provides them, many will not). Entry fee is also EUR 30 but drops to EUR 10 after 9 PM-which is also when it gets much busier.
La Luna sometimes has way too few girls (as few as 3), entry is EUR 20 and if I remember correctly EUR 60 to the girl for 30 mins.
As to which one is best-they are all very similar so there is really no right or wrong answer here, except I would personally put La Luna at the bottom due to low number of girls and steeper pricing. But again, that is just my subjective opinion and others will disagree, especially if you got with Kathy who is famous for her super-GFE approach.
BigBuddy69
10-29-17, 19:38
40 euros at la luna if you don't want the specialty.
Kosher Kowboy
11-05-17, 14:35
I am planning to double on hotels one night since my one in Frankfurt is so cheap and train it to the NRW to try two of these clubs (outside shot have car.) I plan to leave FRA early in the AM with a backpack for one night (the same one I use to transport towels in) and go right to Club One, get a hotel nearby and the next day go to Club Two and that night after rush hour head back to my home base in Frankfurt. I do not know the traffic patterns headed north after the breakfast hour from Frankfurt but I can always stop at Finca for a few hours if that Cologne / Dusseldorf / Essen area is packed at lunchtime and I can only assume come 14:00-19:00 traffic probably sucks.
Entry fees and cost per session are mute points, it is splitting hairs and the absolute least thing of considerations. There is one non AO girl at Dietzenbach and if I didn't know any better from other guys there I would risk a ' wasted punt' for my purposes if I go to the NRW and get an ' Andrea' so I am looking for clubs that have the highest success rate and enough girls in the club to have options and not have to deal with grabbing them immediately once they are finished due to overcrowding of testosterone although my high standards of hygiene might make grabbing them immediately not such a bad thing.
What two clubs would be best to meet the above goals to get a taste and feel (literally and figuratively) of the NRW if going by car and the same question if using public transport w/o a car. I do want to explore up there but I can also be very content with the Frankfurt options if it comes down to a wash. Since I can accomplish my goals pretty quick in these clubs as they can get boring I would not mind staying in Dusseldorf city at a high end hotel and enjoying a five course meal at a fine upper scale restaurant. Since it is my birthday trip I do not not mind one night of a tad pricier hotel/dining experience
Feel free to PM me, no detail is too dirty for me but understand some want to keep such off the boards publicly. The best 2 ( if by train) and the best 2 ( if by car)
BigBuddy69
11-05-17, 15:49
I can't help you a lot but the Villa Venus is reachable from Dusseldorf by public transport without too much hassle. Use the VRR app or google maps for the timetables and the route, it's very reliable. If my memory is correct the tram going to VV runs underground at the Duisbrug Hbf, it can be a little hard to find it. The two clubs at Bochum (F39 and Arabella) should be reachable too but they're further from Dusseldorf.
For the traffic I remember one time going from PSR to Dusseldorf at 4 pm and it was a pain in the ass, the problem is that the Germans love to make works on their autobahns.
Neurosynth
11-05-17, 21:06
FWIW F39 should be one of your two choices. It's bigger and nicer than the other RTCs.
If you have a car you might also want to consider going to one of the AO gang bangs if the timing works out. You will find some very messy girls there.
Traffic.
Avoid going past Koln before 10.00 and between 16.00 and 18.30: schedule 20 minute delay.
Eastwards to Duisburg is bad between 15.30 and 19.30 (schedule 30 minute delay plus) north is also bad (schedule 20 minute delay).
East- West to and from Essen is bad in rush hour periods.
Of course it varies enormously day to day.
It is essential to have Live Traffic on a sauna or phone: it can save hours.
Heading to Bochum tomorrow, plan to hit Arabella on Friday plus some swinger clubs over the weekend. Pm me if anyone is around and wants to meet up?
ExpatLover
11-15-17, 16:25
Traffic.
Avoid going past Koln before 10.00 and between 16.00 and 18.30: schedule 20 minute delay.
Eastwards to Duisburg is bad between 15.30 and 19.30 (schedule 30 minute delay plus) north is also bad (schedule 20 minute delay).
East- West to and from Essen is bad in rush hour periods.
Of course it varies enormously day to day.
It is essential to have Live Traffic on a sauna or phone: it can save hours.Use google map from far the best, even guys with very expensive Mercedes etc are using google in their car.
HeyyyyyyPaul
11-21-17, 14:22
There is no need to take a cab to reach any of these clubs-all are easily reachable by public transport and a short walk.
Venus, Arabella, Grimberg and Verena are all very similar, with same pricing- EUR 30 for entry and EUR 30 to the girl for 25 mins. They will have about 7-9 girls each.
Freude has many more girls (around 20), but also more expensive-I think that it is EUR 30 for 20 minutes and additional EUR 10 for any extras negotiated directly with the girl (if she provides them, many will not). Entry fee is also EUR 30 but drops to EUR 10 after 9 PM-which is also when it gets much busier.
La Luna sometimes has way too few girls (as few as 3), entry is EUR 20 and if I remember correctly EUR 60 to the girl for 30 mins.
As to which one is best-they are all very similar so there is really no right or wrong answer here, except I would personally put La Luna at the bottom due to low number of girls and steeper pricing. But again, that is just my subjective opinion and others will disagree, especially if you got with Kathy who is famous for her super-GFE approach.Nice round up of the pricing.
I was in Bochum for a few days last weekend but didn't make it to Arabella after. Still its an easy trip from either Gelsenkirchen or Bochum. Take tram 302 to stop Lohrheidestrae, 23 minutes from Bochum HBF. From there its a 400 meter walk.
Swingers club P3 is just 2 stops away at August-Bebel-Platz.
Triptogamont
12-15-17, 00:07
After several days down at Dietzenbach, I figured I would try out a couple of the RTCs in NRW. Villa Venus was first because I had been there in June and had very good sessions with Larissa and Diana.
Arrived right after 8 PM and got the discounted entry of 15 Euro. No pictures of the lineup at the desk.
The place was surprisingly full. I counted at least 12 girls working and maybe 5 guys, and nearly every couch was taken. After my shower, I found an empty spot and scanned the merchandise. Unfortunately, I was not very impressed. Half were older ladies, at least mid 30's, and one who had to be in her 40's. Even most of the younger girls were not optically enticing. I would say 10 of the working girls were 4's or 5's on the Tripter Scale. No Larissa and no Diana. But there was one girl I would rate a 7 and one an 8.
So, of course, I sat next to the 8. She told me her name is Anna from Romania. Very thin, pretty face, small breasts, lip piercing, long straight black hair, a few tattoo groupings of butterflies. Immediately after introductions, she fondled me under the towel and stuck her tongue in my mouth. Excellent! She doesn't speak much English and I speak two words of Romanian, but we got along just fine. The room was very good. DFK, BJ, 3 position shuffle, bang! Very well done, and she's a sweet girl.
I knew I probably didn't have another shot in me after one room at Dietz and the drive up, so I showered again and headed out.
The Good: Did I really just bang a hot girl for 45 Euro all in? Yes. Yes, I did. If you enjoyed sessions here six months ago, you will most likely enjoy sessions here today. At least from my individual sample.
The Bad: Lots of average looking girls. Not a place I would want to hang out in for very long.
The Ugly: One seriously older woman. Lots of girls I would never room with.
ExpatLover
12-15-17, 01:03
After several days down at Dietzenbach, I figured I would try out a couple of the RTCs in NRW. Villa Venus was first because I had been there in June and had very good sessions with Larissa and Diana.
Arrived right after 8 PM and got the discounted entry of 15 Euro. No pictures of the lineup at the desk.
The place was surprisingly full. I counted at least 12 girls working and maybe 5 guys, and nearly every couch was taken. After my shower, I found an empty spot and scanned the merchandise. Unfortunately, I was not very impressed. Half were older ladies, at least mid 30's, and one who had to be in her 40's. Even most of the younger girls were not optically enticing. I would say 10 of the working girls were 4's or 5's on the Tripter Scale. No Larissa and no Diana. But there was one girl I would rate a 7 and one an 8.
So, of course, I sat next to the 8. She told me her name is Anna from Romania. Very thin, pretty face, small breasts, lip piercing, long straight black hair, a few tattoo groupings of butterflies. Immediately after introductions, she fondled me under the towel and stuck her tongue in my mouth. Excellent! She doesn't speak much English and I speak two words of Romanian, but we got along just fine. The room was very good. DFK, BJ, 3 position shuffle, bang! Very well done, and she's a sweet girl.
I knew I probably didn't have another shot in me after one room at Dietz and the drive up, so I showered again and headed out.
The Good: Did I really just bang a hot girl for 45 Euro all in? Yes. Yes, I did. If you enjoyed sessions here six months ago, you will most likely enjoy sessions here today. At least from my individual sample.
The Bad: Lots of average looking girls. Not a place I would want to hang out in for very long.
The Ugly: One seriously older woman. Lots of girls I would never room with.Thanks to your report, do you believe that Dietz LU is better? What about the premises too?
Kosher Kowboy
12-15-17, 19:38
The Ugly: One seriously older woman. Lots of girls I would never room with.Glad you got to make it up to the NRW and good report.
The old woman sounds fun, what Germany refuses I use.
Kind of like what New York refuses New Jersey blesses. I did a 65+ lady in both MX and in Costa Rica in the past.
Keep pounding those Gypsies or whoever floats your boat. I wonder whose pussy is blown out more, Nelly's or this older woman you refer too.
:D
Trip. So you returned. Shame to hear Larissa not there. Thanks for the info: she is a favourite for me. I hear generally that the club is having a bad patch lineup wise.
Trip. So you returned. Shame to hear Larissa not there. Thanks for the info: she is a favourite for me. I hear generally that the club is having a bad patch lineup wise.Don't take one day in December as definitive. Over the last three months there have been plenty of good looking girls and in general a lot better than Dietzenbach. Mina, Diana, Roxana, Elena just to name a few. I've seen Ana (Raissa from Fruede) a few times, but always had better options. That being said, sometimes you find only one or two of them are working on a particular day.
Triptogamont
12-15-17, 23:18
In my quest to hit as many RTC (Really Tiny Coke) clubs as possible, I made my way to Arabella tonight. I had a hell of a time finding it, even with GPS. Until I saw the GIANT FUCKING SIGN with the address on it. In my defense, it was pitch black out and the sign is blocked by trees if you are driving East on Lohrheidestr. The parking lot was quite full.
Arrived around 830 PM and paid my reduced 15 Euro entry fee. Showered and came upstairs to look around. The place is pretty small, with only two small rooms of couches. Several guys were there, and maybe 10 girls working, all in the 4-6 range on the Tripter Scale. I was not very impressed, especially after seeing Vanessa at Laluna earlier. But what the hell, it's only 30 Euro to try out a girl.
While I was wondering who to pick, I got my first sight of couch action at a club. One of the better looking girls jumped on a large German guy's lap. She opened his towel and gave him a HJ as they kissed. They stood up in the middle of the floor and continued fondling and kissing. Eventually she put a condom on him and gave him a BJ. Then she bent over a couch and he did her doggie. Another girl laughed and sat on the back of the couch and masturbated for him. He didn't last very long. 2-3 of the girls nearby clapped.
The place was fairly lively. Lots of girls would get up and dance to the music. Unfortunately, not many of them were very good looking, and none of them could actually dance very well.
Eventually, I settled on the girl near me. She kept smiling and flirting with me. She has a decent body, and large, expressive eyes, which I tend to gravitate toward. I think her name is Maya, but honestly, I don't really remember. Some snuggling and fondling on the couch, but only pecks for kisses. Off to the room. Decent BJ and a couple of different positions. Good eye contact and verbal encouragement. The finish was not the RTC Way, for those interested. I don't really care, but others might.
Worth 45 Euro total, but I won't be back.
Rogue Nation
12-15-17, 23:28
Before the-Day you could see guys creampie girls in public. Or shooting their hot load into their mouth. The good old times.
I've gone off course several times finding the place too! Sometimes, I fail to turn left at the last minute while approaching that street, or sometimes, I forget there's like a car dealership (or something like that) next door!
I usually go with Alexandra or Ariana (who's now covered), but sometimes, they leave earlier than 8:00 pm.
Anyway, the smaller clubs are a hit or miss and I never judge based on one day. If I come back and have mediocre service (like in M-Exclusiv) where you're gambling on who's doable or not, then I usually strike it from my "places to go" after about 2-3 visits. I've done that with Romantika after a few visits and mediocre sessions.
Triptogamont
12-16-17, 19:57
Before the-Day you could see guys creampie girls in public. Or shooting their hot load into their mouth. The good old times.Or even better, perform!
Triptogamont
12-16-17, 20:00
I've gone off course several times finding the place too! Sometimes, I fail to turn left at the last minute while approaching that street, or sometimes, I forget there's like a car dealership (or something like that) next door!
I usually go with Alexandra or Ariana (who's now covered), but sometimes, they leave earlier than 8:00 pm.
Anyway, the smaller clubs are a hit or miss and I never judge based on one day. If I come back and have mediocre service (like in M-Exclusiv) where you're gambling on who's doable or not, then I usually strike it from my "places to go" after about 2-3 visits. I've done that with Romantika after a few visits and mediocre sessions.Yes, it's difficult to assess a club based on a single night in the frozen winter. Perhaps I spoke too soon when I said I'd never go back to Arabella. But my time is short on this trip. Will see about next time!
Triptogamont
12-16-17, 23:16
Grimberg was third and last on my tour of NRW RTCs. Again, I drove right past it in the dark. Maybe I should be going to these clubs during daylight hours.
Arrived around 9 PM. Paid my 15 Euro discounted entry. Showered and looked around. Around 10-12 girls working and 4-5 guys lounging around. The place was very crowded and couches were hard to come by. One girl introduced herself and kept bugging me the entire time I was there. I forget her name. I was slightly taken aback because I thought the girls didn't approach guys in most of these places. She kept blowing me kisses and telling me she liked and loved me and tried to pose sexily in a very immature manner. Very strange. I ignored her after the first 2 minutes. Another girl chatted with me for a while about America, Germany, vacation, work. Very friendly.
Most of the girls were 5's or 6's. There was one very pretty gypsy looking girl I would rate a 7. 5 that I earmarked for later. Unfortunately, when I came back around to sit with her, Genghis Khan had already sat down, scraggly facial and body hair and all. Another girl with a very nice body and nice face made the list, but she had a holier than thou princess look on her face the entire time. Even when a guy sat next to her, she didn't snuggle up with him or anything. She just sat and smoked her cigarette, then pointed to a room. Scratch two!
I finally saw a tiny girl folding towels and waited until she sat down. I sat with her and we spoke pidgin English for a bit. I think her name is Diana. She is TINY. Very petite, very young, very thin. I think the dirty old man in me tends to pick these girls out. Light kisses and fondling on the couch. Off to the room where she gave an excellent BJ. DT and BLS without me asking. Hopped on top for some seriously good cowgirl. I love a girl who gets up on her feet and slams herself down on me, especially a tiny little girl like her. Flipped her over for mish and pounded as hard and deep as I wanted to a wonderful finish. Worth 30 Euro and then some.
If I didn't have to get up EARLY tomorrow, I would have stuck around and taken the gypsy girl to a room. I really liked her look. As it is, I showered, dressed, and left.
Grimberg probably had a better overall lineup tonight than Arabella last night or Villa Venus the night before.
Back home tomorrow. Have to figure out when my next TriptoFKKLand is.
I finally saw a tiny girl folding towels and waited until she sat down. Diana used to be in Dietzenbach but she had a "falling out" with (I guess) management. I have my suspicions of what happened but it would sound like gossip.
She used to be the busiest girl in Dietzenbach thanks to the "new" factor, but that was months ago! She and Vanessa used to hang out together (even on breaks and after work). I don't know what their situation is now.
If it was some bone thin girl who kept bugging you to go to the room with her, that might be Angie! She has dyed blonde hair and bad smokers teeth. She is one of the few girls who does anal (for those into that). I just find her a pest!
Jasmine always looks like she's "holier than thou" and talks like it, but she's actually pretty nice. One of her nipples is an "innie" (inverted) while the other is normal. I like to suck on both!
With Grimberg, you might miss it via GPS sometimes because you can't really see it with the bushes in front. I kept missing it during the first 3 visits but now I remember where to go!
Christian G
12-17-17, 13:42
Jasmine always looks like she's "holier than thou" and talks like it, but she's actually pretty nice. One of her nipples is an "innie" (inverted) while the other is normal. I like to suck on both!
I had Jasmine too last year and she was very nice in the room and provide a good service.
BigBuddy69
12-17-17, 13:52
Is she the tall girl who looks like a persian princess?
Christian G
12-17-17, 14:06
Is she the tall girl who looks like a persian princess?In my post I refer to a tall Jasmine, long blak hair and if I remember correctly she have some (alot?) tattoo. Yes she look like persian / arab.
BigBuddy69
12-17-17, 14:24
It must be her but I don't remember the tatoos. It was a few years ago.
Triptogamont
12-18-17, 15:15
If it was some bone thin girl who kept bugging you to go to the room with her, that might be Angie! She has dyed blonde hair and bad smokers teeth. She is one of the few girls who does anal (for those into that). I just find her a pest!
Yes, that was definitely her. Very annoying.
Triptogamont
12-18-17, 15:17
Jasmine always looks like she's "holier than thou" and talks like it, but she's actually pretty nice. One of her nipples is an "innie" (inverted) while the other is normal. I like to suck on both!
Hmm. She was taken when I finally got around to making my decision. So in her case, it was made for me. She looks very good, but her attitude put me off. Just goes to show, you never know what you're going to get in the room until you get in the room. Thanks for the information!
Christian G
12-18-17, 16:44
If it was some bone thin girl who kept bugging you to go to the room with her, that might be Angie! She has dyed blonde hair and bad smokers teeth. She is one of the few girls who does anal (for those into that). I just find her a pest!I fucked Angie once, in my first trip to Grimberg more than 3 years ago. I choosed her becasue she do anal, but her services in general are bad in my experience.
I had Jasmine too last year and she was very nice in the room and provide a good service.I too have been put off by Jasmine and each time I visited I would overlook her. Then on one of my trips a German guy says that she provides really good service in the room and there are never any complaints about her from other guys.
But still I am not keen. She has a good figure and an attractive enough face but she sits with her long back set ramrod stiff in the chair with her head held high in the air above her long neck. Always composed and controlled in her manner. She also wears these horrible black knee length stockings, the sort that a nurse would wear when on duty.
Worse of all for me is her tendency to sit talking for ages with two other women, one of them normally a light brown haired / blonde woman nearing her 40's, in the small room just to the right of the reception desk. Unlike the other girls they are never looking round trying to attract the attention of the men.
What on earth are they talking about for so long, day after day? They seem to enjoy each other's company so much that I am loathed to interrupt them.
Triptogamont
12-20-17, 18:58
I too have been put off by Jasmine and each time I visited I would overlook her. Then on one of my trips a German guy says that she provides really good service in the room and there are never any complaints about her from other guys.
But still I am not keen. She has a good figure and an attractive enough face but she sits with her long back set ramrod stiff in the chair with her head held high in the air above her long neck. Always composed and controlled in her manner. She also wears these horrible black knee length stockings, the sort that a nurse would wear when on duty.
Worse of all for me is her tendency to sit talking for ages with two other women, one of them normally a light brown haired / blonde woman nearing her 40's, in the small room just to the right of the reception desk. Unlike the other girls they are never looking round trying to attract the attention of the men.
What on earth are they talking about for so long, day after day? They seem to enjoy each other's company so much that I am loathed to interrupt them.I didn't mention it, but when I first got there, three of the girls, including Jasmine were in that small room talking. The woman behind the bar eventually yelled at them, and they dispersed to other rooms and couches. That's when I got a look at Jasmine and was sort of interested and turned off at the same time.
This behavior is true for that whole corner of Romanians (Jasmine, Diana, Antonia, Kathi, Lilly and Emanuela). Although all give decent to good service, they seem very arrogant and don't really show interest in anyone until you are next to them on the couch or sometimes even in the room. One of them recently told me she was 100% sure Grimberg had the best girls with the best service, while Grimberg does have the name of being the most service oriented of the RTC clubs (rightfully so, over a longer period), there really isn't that much of a difference anymore.
Does anyone know if these RTCs are likely ti be open over the Christmas and New year period? Even open on Christmas day itself?
Triptogamont
12-31-17, 14:06
Sorry for the multiple posts, but I figured there are a few different boards where this might be appropriate:
I saw this the other day: https://www.aohostels.com/en/.
I don't suppose it means what I hope it means.
Captain America
12-31-17, 14:34
Visited a couple days before Christmas, so maybe the lack of women was due to that. Didn't see anything above a 5, and most were 2-3. Total of 5 ladies present.
They changed their pricing structure to regular FKK instead of Pauschal club. Entry 30 and 30 per session. Extras like CIM are still
Included but couldn't find one that would accept that particular extra. Hmmmmm.
Also, according to most, no more AO. Not important for me as I don't partake anyway, but may be important to some.
Sorry for the multiple posts, but I figured there are a few different boards where this might be appropriate:
I saw this the other day: https://www.aohostels.com/en/.
I don't suppose it means what I hope it means.No, I stayed in one but it is a really cheap good quality location for the price and clean usually. About 10 euros per night sometimes. The only problem is that if you are out at clubs at night and sleeping during the day it becomes a problem. However the other problem is with hotel check in times, which are not good for night club visits.
Visited a couple days before Christmas, so maybe the lack of women was due to that.
Arabella should be crammed with girls now. According to its website, Grimberg (http://www.grimbergsauna.com/)is closed for renovation, and the girls have been relocated in Wattenscheid.
Thinking about a trip in a few weeks. Arabella and p3 swingers club are only 1. 4 km from each other https://goo.gl/maps/6Uaj7EpDMKQ2 . I could do Arabella in the day time and 'swing' down to P3 in the evening. Hope Arabella doesn't get closed for renovation like the other sister clubs.
Vito Corleone
01-05-18, 08:52
Thinking about a trip in a few weeks. Arabella and p3 swingers club are only 1. 4 km from each other https://goo.gl/maps/6Uaj7EpDMKQ2 . I could do Arabella in the day time and 'swing' down to P3 in the evening. Hope Arabella doesn't get closed for renovation like the other sister clubs.Recently visited Arabella Venus & grim.
Venus had the best & largest Lu with grim a close 2nd. Arabella was barely better than banging my knee on a concrete slab!
Arabella was barely better than banging my knee on a concrete slab!Really that bad?
Vito Corleone
01-06-18, 12:44
Really that bad?For my tastes it was bad, but I've seen you session with a wide variety of girls so Arabella would be ok for you. If grim is closed for renovations then Arabella's Lu should be much better.
Christian G
01-06-18, 14:51
Really that bad?Two of my friends went to Arabella during last month in 2 different days and both told me that the line up was not good.
As said before, it really changes a lot. Just before Christmas the line up in Arabella was more than 10 girls and relatively good (with the Freude girls there). But I also know a few of them left for home soon afterwards. At the moment it shouldn't be to bad, with Grimberg closed and the girls transferred to Arabella (not sure if all of them went).
In general YMMV with the smaller RTC clubs.
Good service with mediocre women is fine for me.
Really njoyed my day here. 10 women very mostly attractive and friendly and flirty. Service levels were high. The atmosphere was kind of homely.
Highlight was supermodel looking Jasmin.
I had a better day here than in F39 previous day although I still had a decent day there.
Did a lovely big arse Brunette in I'm Winkel Rld last night, pretty good for 30.
P3 swingers was very quiet tonight and I got nothing apart from a big feed and some drinks. Still ok for 35 euro.
More later as always.
Christian G
01-28-18, 08:44
Really njoyed my day here. 10 women very mostly attractive and friendly and flirty. Service levels were high. The atmosphere was kind of homely.
Highlight was supermodel looking Jasmin.Good to know, I waiting for your full report as usual. Enjoy.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1591-Photo-Gallery&p=1093913&viewfull=1#post1093913
Really enjoyed my day here. 10 women very mostly attractive and friendly and flirty. Service levels were high. The atmosphere was kind of homely.
Highlight was supermodel looking Jasmin.You must be referring to the super tall, haughty looking Jasmin who temporarily moved to Arabella whilst Grimberg is closed?
She has been discussed a few times on here in recent months. Mainly concerning her off-putting demeanour and deportment.
Vito Corleone
01-29-18, 03:43
You must be referring to the super tall, haughty looking Jasmin who temporarily moved to Arabella whilst Grimberg is closed?
She has been discussed a few times on here in recent months. Mainly concerning her off-putting demeanour and deportment.She seems aloof but still provides good service. She's been like that since she first started at Venus.
I've been to 4 Red Carpet type FKKs now, Dietz, F39 and Verena, and I thought this one was the best. Its the little things, the kissing on the couch, and the girls allowing more overall than anywhere else I've been. All of the 5 I sampled allowed fingering of either one hole or the other and sometimes both.
The overall management seems tighter than is F39, plus the girls seemed happier here. Both days I was invited to do some dirty dancing which I haven't done in a long time, dancing with the girls in lounge to Romanian music while letting my hands roam on tits and arse from time to time.
The house is old, the locker room is dark and shabby, the showers are crappy, but the sauna is decent and at least there is a garden for summer. The lounge upstairs is divided into 2 rooms and if you are sitting in the further away room you feel you are missing out on the main social activitiy which seems to happen in the area at the bar.
Prices are 30 entry, 15 after 8 pm, 25 min session 30 eur, 1 hour session 70.
There were about 10 women both days, and all were attractive to me except two, a really skinny young blonde and a short haired Lesbian looking one with glasses.
Jasmin, wow most beautiful looking FKK girl I've done ID say. Took her for 25 min session first just after I arrived and still didn't feel ready for it, so took a break, went for a shite and a coffee, and then took her for an hour. The hour sess was excellent, she allowed everything except going near her arschehole, although she did eventually let me lick it. Came deep in her pussy near the end. Deepish kissing, licking, fingering pussy, and great blowjob. Excellent English, and friendly attitude with decent sense of humour. She does seem aloof from the other girls.
Sindy, 30's, Bulgarian, lovely long dark Curly hair, big titten. Did 25 minutes, didn't cum or didn't try to cum, she got wet at my licking and did nice DFK.
Denisa, looks a bit like Reese Witherspoon. She is 33 and has been there 7 years. Seems like a bit of a 2nd theke and kind of Mothers the younger girls a bit. We did some dirty dancing for about 20 minutes, then I threw her down on the couch, licked her pussy until the theke put a halt to it. Then took her to the room, fucked her hard, went into a 69, licked and rimmed her deep, and finally came in mouth well after the 25 min mark but she still only charged me 30.
The customer base her is made up of mostly over 40 yearold local blokes, plus all white too so I guess they must still have a racist door policy. I didn't see anyone non white in the 2 days I was there.
Food is bread roll sandwiches with either Salami or cheese, plus some fruit, biscuits and cakes. I think those bread roll sandwiches are great and arr enough to keep any sex tourist going for 8 or 10 hours. Not sure what the situation is I in this club regarding ordering in food as I didn't see any menus about.
On Monday I spent 6 hours there, and just did 2 girls.
Jenina or Jemina or Vagina (or Regina or something) early 20's with really dark hair to her waist and lovely curvy slim body. Standard service, 25 minutes and came on her perky tits in the end. Pussy totally dry, even the Wanking licking couldn't get that one wet.
Took a good break and then had an earth shatteringly good session.
Carmen, young slim Ro brunette, with saggy tits. Pretty face and nice eyes, not the type ID normally go for really. She had grown on me over the 2 days tho. I thought ID have 25 minutes with her and then have my finale with Jasmine. As soon as I sat on the couch with Carmen I got great vibes. Her kissing was really deep and she just seemed into from the off. In the room this was pure GFE, so I told her we would do the hour. I ended up having one of the best sessions of my life. We started off fucking missionary then into 69, where she let me finger both holes deeply, pussy really wet, then doggy style while I fingered her arse, then she asked "[CodeWord114] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord114) ficken?
YES FUCKING PLEASE!! So fucked her in her very clean arse and then she back into 69 and finally a big cum in her mouth. Just amazing. One of my best sessions ever.
Verdict. Best run FKK club I've ever been in, amazing service plus the girls seemed happy enough there.
Christian G
02-03-18, 20:47
Good to know that have one good 3 holers at Arabella. Is she blonde?
Good to know that have one good 3 holers at Arabella. Is she blonde?Young brunette, 6/10 looks, 11/10 performance. https://youtu.be/4xgx4k83zzc.
Vito Corleone
02-04-18, 10:27
I've been to 4 Red Carpet type FKKs now, Dietz, F39 and Verena, and I thought this one was the best. Its the little things, the kissing on the couch, and the girls allowing more overall than anywhere else I've been. All of the 5 I sampled allowed fingering of either one hole or the other and sometimes both.
The overall management seems tighter than is F39, plus the girls seemed happier here. Both days I was invited to do some dirty dancing which I haven't done in a long time, dancing with the girls in lounge to Romanian music while letting my hands roam on tits and arse from time to time.
The house is old, the locker room is dark and shabby, the showers are crappy, but the sauna is decent and at least there is a garden for summer. The lounge upstairs is divided into 2 rooms and if you are sitting in the further away room you feel you are missing out on the main social activitiy which seems to happen in the area at the bar.
Prices are 30 entry, 15 after 8 pm, 25 min session 30 eur, 1 hour session 70.
There were about 10 women both days, and all were attractive to me except two, a really skinny young blonde and a short haired Lesbian looking one with glasses..Great report!
Denisa reminds you of Reese Witherspoon? Def not my type. Looks more like Roose Bolton!
Janina is cute & doable in a rtc. Stopped doing her after catching her pick her nose, roll it into a ball & eat it. Multiple times in Venus, Arabella & f39!
Janina is cute & doable in a rtc. Stopped doing her after catching her pick her nose, roll it into a ball & eat it. Multiple times in Venus, Arabella & f39!Funny enough I saw her eating her snots too. Must offer her some of mine :d
I've been to 4 Red Carpet type FKKs now, Dietz, F39 and Verena, and I thought this one was the best. Its the little things, the kissing on the couch, and the girls allowing more overall than anywhere else I've been. All of the 5 I sampled allowed fingering of either one hole or the other and sometimes both.
The overall management seems tighter than is F39, plus the girls seemed happier here. Both days I was invited to do some dirty dancing which I haven't done in a long time, dancing with the girls in lounge to Romanian music while letting my hands roam on tits and arse from time to time.
The house is old, the locker room is dark and shabby, the showers are crappy, but the sauna is decent and at least there is a garden for summer. The lounge upstairs is divided into 2 rooms and if you are sitting in the further away room you feel you are missing out on the main social activitiy which seems to happen in the area at the bar..I hadn't been for a long while and then when I went late last year I noticed that they had shortened the back lounge to add another room or two. This club was already short of lounge space and now there is usually hardly anywhere for customers to sit if there are 10 girls there who are each occupying a couch.
In terms of food I have only ever seen two or three rolls of bread with congealed cheese on top or processed meat like ham. Plus some chocolate sweets and maybe a few rock hard apples that would crack your teeth.
I've seen a couple of Turkish looking guys there occasionally.
Janina? was one of the girls that I went with when I was last there. I recalled that she had a small, hooked Roman beak of a nose but attractive otherwise in face and body. She immediately got out the passion killers when we got into the room but after disapproving noises by me placed them carefully on corner of the bed where they stayed unused throughout the action.
I wonder which theke was there. Was it the tall, old, blonde Anna or was it a short, round, dark haired woman whose name I can't remember? Anna is definitely stern in manner a lot of the time. I agree that discipline is a bit more strict here because you don't tend to get any of the indulgent larking about and lengthy disappearances by the girls like what happens at F39.
There were about 10 women both days, and all were attractive to me except two, a really skinny young blonde and a short haired Lesbian looking one with glasses.The lesbian looking girl with glasses was probably Anastasia? Did she have a few tattoos all over? I went with her a long while back and the service was satisfactory but nothing special, she did bareback there while it was still legal but before she had been at F39 where she insisted on condom. She must have been in the RTC clubs for about 4 years now.
Sauna Grimberg will reopen after renovation next Tuesday, February 20th. Entry price 15 € all day long.
http://www.grimbergsauna.com/
Arabella should get considerebly quieter after Grimberg girls will have returned to base. I'm curious to hear what has changed with the renovation works.
BigBuddy69
02-17-18, 15:50
If they do the same kind of renovation as in freude 39, nothing.
Arabella had around 10 women on my 2 visits.
F39 had around 25.
What about Grimberg?
Arabella had around 10 women on my 2 visits.
F39 had around 25.
What about Grimberg?Grimberg is in the same league as Arabella, I'd say 10 girls at most.
BigBuddy69
02-18-18, 07:39
Since you know about the rtc clubs, do you know if Andrea is back in freude? On FC they mentioned that she was last spotted in luder lounge.
I intend to go in villa Venus or freude in ten days only for a quick stop but I'm not sure where I'll find the best line up.
Since you know about the rtc clubs, do you know if Andrea is back in freude? On FC they mentioned that she was last spotted in luder lounge.
I intend to go in villa Venus or freude in ten days only for a quick stop but I'm not sure where I'll find the best line up.Can try to follow Mina. Bg all over NRW.
Since you know about the rtc clubs, do you know if Andrea is back in freude? On FC they mentioned that she was last spotted in luder lounge.Andrea (and her cousin Emma) are still in Luder Lounge and probably will not return to any RTC (for obvious reasons).
BigBuddy69
02-18-18, 10:32
Do those reasons have something to do with the kind of service that were provided in RTC before 1st July 2017 ?
Vito Corleone
02-18-18, 11:06
Arabella had around 10 women on my 2 visits.
F39 had around 25.
What about Grimberg?Jasmine will most likely return to Grimberg.
Dick Travel
03-09-18, 14:39
Gentlemen,
I have a question for the experienced mongers among you.
I love those porn videos where some lucky guy swaps between two or more girls pussies at a whim, back and forth.
Alas in the threesomes I've enjoyed, I have found the "complications" of swapping protection when swapping girls, rather killed the flow and passion and made reality somewhat lesser than the fantasy!
I'd like to know, if I found two girls who individually provide especially high service levels, and took them together for a threesome, would my "complications" problem be avoided?
Thanks guys, have searched but not found any answers yet!
How would Arabella be for this? Recommendations?
DT.
Christian G
03-09-18, 15:58
Alas in the threesomes I've enjoyed, I have found the "complications" of swapping protection when swapping girls, rather killed the flow and passion and made reality somewhat lesser than the fantasy!
I'd like to know, if I found two girls who individually provide especially high service levels, and took them together for a threesome, would my "complications" problem be avoided?
Well, in my experience in RTC (before 1st July 2017) I had 3/4 threesomes and not need to swapping protection.
Triptogamont
03-09-18, 16:41
Gentlemen,
I have a question for the experienced mongers among you.
I love those porn videos where some lucky guy swaps between two or more girls pussies at a whim, back and forth.
Alas in the threesomes I've enjoyed, I have found the "complications" of swapping protection when swapping girls, rather killed the flow and passion and made reality somewhat lesser than the fantasy!
I'd like to know, if I found two girls who individually provide especially high service levels, and took them together for a threesome, would my "complications" problem be avoided?
Thanks guys, have searched but not found any answers yet!
How would Arabella be for this? Recommendations?
DT.Well, if both girls allow AO, there's no protection to swap. Just find out beforehand, discretely, on the couch.
ExpatLover
03-09-18, 20:47
Well, if both girls allow AO, there's no protection to swap. Just find out beforehand, discretely, on the couch.Please stop to dream it is more or less impossible to find 2 girls accepting AO, and the story with the condom is a killer so no treesome for me.
Dick Travel
03-09-18, 21:37
Thanks guys, I know it sounded a bit of a daft question, but I have a vague recollection of reading somewhere that bizarrely they don't like sharing their own fluids. It seems some of you have had no issues there so that's good to hear. Thanks.
Well, if both girls allow AO, there's no protection to swap. Just find out beforehand, discretely, on the couch.
Dick Travel
03-15-18, 01:51
Having tried all the major FLU clubs around FRA and the golden triangle if LR, GT, VV, I figured it was time to try something more adventurous, so I went to Arabella for the first time last night.
The idea was to try an ao 3 some, but as it goes there were not two girls who took my fancy and my lack of German does not make banter and chat easy.
However, a very young looking tall thin a cupped cutie RO girl with pony tailed dark blonde hair caught my attention the moment her cute ass wandered by.
I had to wait as another guy took her but it was worth it.
I forget names but thinking may have been Elena?
She about 20 if not younger?
Covered service only on offer but I had to have her anyway!
I asked to massage her a bit to start so I could taj a good long look at that ass and legs mmmm. Then an ok old style BJ to get me going and on to a not at all animated ficken in missionary.
She did some light DFK and gazed into my eyes with her rather beautiful eyes but was not really into it at all.
However, she was lovely and tight and with that hot tight body to wander my hands over I was soon finished and a happy man.
I also took a quick pre closing session with Katya BG.
Enthusiastic and good attitude but not really my type and a little extra on the waist. I was tired and did not finish but enjoyed the special service for this probably one off occasion.
The club overall is a bit shabby, dingy downstairs, ok showers, way too Smokey.
I doubt I will be back as the optics level was too low for me generally. Well worth a shot though and chalked up a new mongering adventure.
Thanks for the update Dick, so how many ladies present?
I think the tall girl is Jasmine.
Dick Travel
03-15-18, 11:47
Thanks for the update Dick, so how many ladies present?
I think the tall girl is Jasmine.Ah yes that's right, thankyou.
About 8/9 ladies present.
3 or 4 long black haired heavier build ladies plus three others which I would personally call "attractive".
The young spinner I enjoyed, a black straight haired 20 something pretty cutie wearing black stockings with slightly saggy be / see cups, another very slim girl with mousey blonde / light brown hair tied up / bun. These last two were hanging out with two guys I assume were regulars. Plus one other neck length died blonde wearing a meshy / stocking outfit.
Not a great line up for me, I did sit quite a long time sipping water waiting the 1 girl I really wanted and didn't get to sample the other two due to locals being with them.
Again, don't think I shall repeat, but it is an ok low cost option for a quick hour or two if passing through maybe.
Each to their own.
Vito Corleone
03-15-18, 19:56
Thanks for the update Dick, so how many ladies present?
I think the tall girl is Jasmine.Jasmine returned to Grimberg once it re-opened.
Not a great line up for me, I did sit quite a long time sipping water waiting the 1 girl I really wanted and didn't get to sample the other two due to locals being with them.Timing is everything in these small clubs, I find that only one in three are doable and there are periods when they disappear. If that happens then you have to wait some time before they return.
Will do proper report when I get keyboard.
Went to Venus. 30 entry and 30 for 25 minutes, 70 for an hour.
There were about 14 girls, of whom 7 were possible for me. The problem was that like at Freude there were too many men. I did four sessions in four hours, but I decided to leave as I counted 12 men waiting, and only two visible girls in the main room. It seems to me that the attendance at these clubs has rocketed in the last year. Unintended consequences of a certain something?. Maybe everybody values these clubs more. I can't know as my visits are only shapshots.
The atmosphere is deadly as always, with the stupid anti activity layout of the couches so most men sit at the back in group isolation.
The price level was way below Freude and the service better. My worst session was the average I got at Freude. My best session was good enough to extend for an hour. All my girls kissed at Venus to some degree, and one certainly came.
No new Queen for my heart, but maybe a minor royal in the making. Not sure how it will go as she is not a gypsy. I might go back to develop her rather than do the 400 km round trip to see how potential Queen Elena at Dietzenbach is doing.
I had planned to go to another club after but turned out not to be possible.
About 8 girls.
Carmen (looks much better now being thinner than chubby), Sabrina, Melissa, Genina, Corinna, two chubby girls, and one who wanted condom only so I didn't give a damn who she was.
No Arianna or Alexandra. A little disappointed, but went with Carmen (tight pussy), Corinna, and Genina. 30€ admission and 30€ each girl.
ExpatLover
03-18-18, 22:33
Will do proper report when I get keyboard.
Went to Venus. 30 entry and 30 for 25 minutes, 70 for an hour.
There were about 14 girls, of whom 7 were possible for me. The problem was that like at Freude there were too many men. I did four sessions in four hours, but I decided to leave as I counted 12 men waiting, and only two visible girls in the main room. It seems to me that the attendance at these clubs has rocketed in the last year. Unintended consequences of a certain something?. Maybe everybody values these clubs more. I can't know as my visits are only shapshots.
The atmosphere is deadly as always, with the stupid anti activity layout of the couches so most men sit at the back in group isolation.
The price level was way below Freude and the service better. My worst session was the average I got at Freude. My best session was good enough to extend for an hour. All my girls kissed at Venus to some degree, and one certainly came.
No new Queen for my heart, but maybe a minor royal in the making. Not sure how it will go as she is not a gypsy. I might go back to develop her rather than do the 400 km round trip to see how potential Queen Elena at Dietzenbach is doing.
I had planned to go to another club after but turned out not to be possible.Four sessions and able to come 4 times great congratulations all this in 54 hours and without Viagra.
Pending me doing a report, I want to remind members of the ongoing, but probably infrequent, incidents of car windows being broken late at night. I again saw fresh glass in the deserted road near the club (which has no parking). If you go to Venus by car, it is best to stick to daylight hours.
Vito Corleone
03-19-18, 20:31
Pending me doing a report, I want to remind members of the ongoing, but probably infrequent, incidents of car windows being broken late at night. I again saw fresh glass in the deserted road near the club (which has no parking). If you go to Venus by car, it is best to stick to daylight hours.I was there recently & noticed the same. I prefer to arrive early & leave around 6 pm.
Went at 12:15 pm, paid 30 Entry.
About 12 girls. Veronica, Emma, Bianca, Alexia, Sally, Oana, Maja, Laila, and 4 others that I forgot the names of.
Emma's tall and pretty, but she easily gets tired. She mentioned going back to Romania tomorrow to see her mother (which explains her lack of enthusiasm)!
Maja, I've had about a year ago, and she's still good.
Alexia, is someone I never tried before and she has great energy! I would definitely repeat with her in the future! 30€ each girl.
Pending me doing a report, I want to remind members of the ongoing, but probably infrequent, incidents of car windows being broken late at night. I again saw fresh glass in the deserted road near the club (which has no parking). If you go to Venus by car, it is best to stick to daylight hours.I was there a few times until last week, and several times in my past trips. Nearly always I left at closing time, walking out and driving through and among cars with plates of our beloved Romania. I too saw some traces of glass on the street, I must think I have been lucky in not having any damages apart from the several rooms. LOL!
A few names of the staff: Melly, Maria (now with silicone in the boobs), Michaela, Andrea, Anna, Alexia, Monika, Rebecca. Optically speaking no stars, but good and well over average service. Many germans think that the best service is in Grimberg, it is probably true, but also the poor eyes need a share and something which might entice, so for me it is still better Venus.
In Grimberg there have been some works of renovation, most of them didn't catch my eyes, which were not even busy watching the girls. What you cannot help noticing is the (annoying) wall by the stairs going downstairs, but unfortunately no renovations among the line up, apart from Lori, quite valid in all departments, and an ugly girlfriend of hers whose name escaped me, only worth mentioning because she made 1 room in 8 hours, at the stroke of the seventh one. So, since the extinction of the dinosaurs: Lily, Micky, Katy, Angie, Sissi, Cristina, Jasmine, Antonia (busy in ignoring, avoiding and refusing customers), Emanuela (same "occupation" of her latter colleague, but with less effort and lower results). Slim Diana back in Dietz.
If somebody bothers to go to these clubs, please find the time to write something. I am doing it at 5 am
Vito Corleone
03-20-18, 15:04
I was there a few times until last week, and several times in my past trips. Nearly always I left at closing time, walking out and driving through and among cars with plates of our beloved Romania. I too saw some traces of glass on the street, I must think I have been lucky in not having any damages apart from the several rooms. LOL!
A few names of the staff: Melly, Maria (now with silicone in the boobs), Michaela, Andrea, Anna, Alexia, Monika, Rebecca. Optically speaking no stars, but good and well over average service. Many germans think that the best service is in Grimberg, it is probably true, but also the poor eyes need a share and something which might entice, so for me it is still better Venus.
In Grimberg there have been some works of renovation, most of them didn't catch my eyes, which were not even busy watching the girls. What you cannot help noticing is the (annoying) wall by the stairs going downstairs, but unfortunately no renovations among the line up, apart from Lori, quite valid in all departments, and an ugly girlfriend of hers whose name escaped me, only worth mentioning because she made 1 room in 8 hours, at the stroke of the seventh one. So, since the extinction of the dinosaurs: Lily, Micky, Katy, Angie, Sissi, Cristina, Jasmine, Antonia (busy in ignoring, avoiding and refusing customers), Emanuela (same "occupation" of her latter colleague, but with less effort and lower results). Slim Diana back in Dietz.
If somebody bothers to go to these clubs, please find the time to write something. I am doing it at 5 amDiana at Venus & Grimberg was there during the beginning of my trip but not towards the middle / end. I guess Diana Grimberg moved to Dietz. Antonia acted as if kidnapped by aliens!
Kathi is still turning people away except maybe 4 men (her mood swings frighten people. So much that she is seen sitting alone! No Jasmine today.
Had Lily, Emilia, Emma (twice), and Antonia (twice)! I avoided Angie.
I feel bad for the last guy who took Kathi because she rolled her eyes before seeing him leave as if she was bored! Such an ice queen! Has a slightly flab stomach (did she give birth to a kid? Or is she eating the same stuff as the rest?) and her butt has cellulite! Still looks doable if you can get past her attitude!
Three days in Venus and still queues of men for Erica and Andrea, the two newest, young slim members. What has happened to make these clubs so popular?
Kosher Kowboy
03-20-18, 23:56
What has happened to make these clubs so popular?Great question / observation.
Reading your recent posts and others for some time coupled with my recent Dietz trip has left me wondering the same thing. Last Dietz trip was very busy at times it got frustrating and girls had guys on the couches already waiting for them pre-booked we can call it. It also happens that I chat with several guys from my own region here many whom have never been to Germany going for the first time and they inquire a lot less about the mainstream clubs than they do Dietzenbach. I do not think it is just the AO as AO is readily available in Texasbach. They all want to enroll in day care, last year this time all the questions were about Oase, Sharks etc. I do not know what happened either to crowd these clubs up or this sudden interest I get from others about Alice's.
We might not be able to crown new queens, in fact we might have to play ' Grab any Gypsy you can get' until the crowds loosen up. If all else fails I at least have Erika sitting in the back on her couch in Little Bulgaria ostracized by the others. I actually like her.
Vito Corleone
03-21-18, 01:41
Three days in Venus and still queues of men for Erica and Andrea, the two newest, young slim members. What has happened to make these clubs so popular?It's called fresh meat! We all want variety in life & it's no different when visiting the clubs. This happens in all the clubs! When the 2 identical twins first showed up at GT (10 yrs ago or whatever the exact date) there were guys fighting & arguing who was next. They were new & identical twins!
Once you checked off your list of "I experienced receiving double BJ from twins" they were not busy anymore. Service was barely average & they were cute in their own way & not exactly slim. Once the novelty wore off they ended up sitting on the stools collecting dust until a newbie showed up.
For some strange reason Venus is always packed. Not sure why as there's plenty of options in the NRW. Dietz is only busy because there's nothing else remotely close in the Hessen area.
It's called fresh meat! We all want variety in life & it's no different when visiting the clubs. This happens in all the clubs! When the 2 identical twins first showed up at GT (10 yrs ago or whatever the exact date) there were guys fighting & arguing who was next. They were new & identical twins!
Once you checked off your list of "I experienced receiving double BJ from twins" they were not busy anymore. Service was barely average & they were cute in their own way & not exactly slim. Once the novelty wore off they ended up sitting on the stools collecting dust until a newbie showed up.
For some strange reason Venus is always packed. Not sure why as there's plenty of options in the NRW. Dietz is only busy because there's nothing else remotely close in the Hessen area.Vito. I was assuming it was the fresh face syndrome playing in. But putting this aside, the numbers of men were on my four RTC visits way way above anything I have seen. Maybe it was just I caught a busy few days. KK recently reported Dietzenbach much busier than he had seen in previous months.
Vito Corleone
03-21-18, 07:22
Vito. I was assuming it was the fresh face syndrome playing in. But putting this aside, the numbers of men were on my four RTC visits way way above anything I have seen. Maybe it was just I caught a busy few days. KK recently reported Dietzenbach much busier than he had seen in previous months.Yes. You're correct. Grimberg was also packed like sardines. F39 was dead during the day as it was 20€ entry till 8 pm. From 8 pm 10€ entry & it became very busy till midnight. Dietz feels like it's busy because Anna & Sara (not there anymore) would disappear up stairs for hours or hangout with Alice at reception diddling themselves. I skipped the place the past 3 trips since September so I really don't know.
the numbers of men were on my four RTC visits way way above anything I have seen. Maybe it was just I caught a busy few daysI would have a theory: since the bloody law came on last July, and with the "endorsement" of this January, in all clubs (also non-RTCs) even the basic offers like BBBJ have gone down. Some girls use this excuse to turn down customers which they don't want. So in RTCs you have better expectations and anyway lower price to pay. Not everybody wanted to fuck AO, but I reckon 99% of customers wanted BBBJ. I was in LuderLOUNGE (Dortmund) a couple of weeks ago, a normal club, I will probably post something if I find the thread and the time. I was a foreigner, a first timer, and the question about that was caught and dealt with with panic, sweat and astonished eyes, eyes which had been used to do it for several years with a smile and without any request.
About Venus being overcrowded: in my opinion the main reason is Barbara (yes, the theke). Venus is pratically the only RTC club which nearly never has a happy hour. If it has it, it is in the evening and lasts hardly a week. Last time was a few weeks ago, and I don't even recall the previous time. Verena, Romantika, F39, Luderland are on constant HH, morning and evening, even until 2 pm, and sometimes empty in spite of that. Even Grimberg and Arabella have sometimes HH for a longer or shorter period, but Venus doesn't.
Apart from a larger turnover in last couple of years and an average higher number of girls available, and with good looks and skills, Barbara runs it how it should be run, even excessively, we might say in the "highest way" you would expect in Germany. She is tough, sometimes too much, but has everything under control and keeps the order, she makes sure the girls do what they are supposed to do: in Venus girls don't disappear, less than ever for ages, don't hide, are always available in good number (I mean that they don't go to eat all together leaving the club empty), they have to observe time, it is really difficult that they refuse someone and they will have to justify with trouble (while in Grimberg there seems to be a competition or prize among Emanuela, Antonia, Katy, etc., as also DMD2017 observed, for the girl who refuses more customers, and thekes don't mind or laugh), etc.
Just one example: some 10 days ago a customer and a girl came down after hardly 15 minutes, the man shily said a couple of words and Barbara exploded. The energy released, like a bomb, lifted and pushed them back upstairs. I felt pity for the girl who had terror in her eyes, and when the interpreters translated the problem to her she was like in trance.
Also, I "suppose" that in Venus a customers doesn't have to worry too much about what's on offer and at which price. In the other clubs you are likely to face surcharges, limitations, refusals, etc. For instance, in Luderland, I selected 3 girls who were new and fuckable for me, only one of them agreed to the "standards", and it was on our second room. One of her friends even asked for 20 euros more, I answered that I normally expect extra time and / or a discount (especially for rooms of one hour) on top of the due service. In Verena there was probably the best of looks (due to 2-3 girls), but various "obstacles" were on the way.
Now more than ever, anyway, it depends on you what you might get and at which conditions. I would say apart from Venus, at least when Barbara is theke..
As to Dietz, my last visit was about one year ago. Girls, like in Grimberg, are more or less the same ones since ages. I wrote more than once that their luck is that they have no competition in their "department", because, generally speaking, nor the looks nor the service are that good to me. But I am glad some people are happy. And surprised that one of them is the vaccinated not-beginner Optimist.
Just my opinions.
EG. Dead right. When a stranger enters there is a flicker of fear through a club. I was spared this when they realised I was a genuine foreigner.
Barbara may seem unfriendly but she was friendly to me from the second day, remembering my name.
Generally I think your points are correct.
Vito Corleone
03-21-18, 22:49
She's always been nice to me since her days at Arabella years ago. Yes EG, she even made a plate for me many times at Venus.
They need a Barbara type at Grimberg to keep Kathy from sweet to on the rag & Antonia to sit around refusing clients hiding volleyball ting dust on the couch.
Dietz was really great when the old German Tina was running it. None of the BS crap that currently goes on. Ordering lunch took 10-15 minutes. Eating lunch & washing about the same amount. No diddling themselves goofing off at the reception. Then I a retired & helped out on Tina's off days. Then Tina was gone & Ina was there most days with Milena working on Ina's off days.
Once Alice took over it's been a fucking joke at Dietz. All the good girls have left & just the leftovers that look like someone wiped their asses with are left. Anna still looks good but the the the the the that's all folks!
I thought I ought to do a "basics" report. Apologies for all those familiar with the club.
You reach it either by car or by tram to Amsterdammer Strasse and then 20 minute walk (or bus 910), ending up in a large commercial area, which outside business hours is almost totally deserted. Hence the ghosts which sometimes break car windows at night.
Normal entry procedure, press bell, wait to be buzzed in, the door opens and a girl hiding behind the door so as not to be seen, presents you with a towel. You then pay 30 euros to the woman behind the counter, Barbara, who gives you two keys, one for the downstairs clothes locker, and one for the upstairs valuable small locker (just behind you on the left). All the girls will by now have checked you out. Barbara appears unyielding at first, but is very pleasant once you are known not to be an idiot.
You change downstairs (after getting the key you retrace your steps towards the entrance). Of you are lucky you will not notice any worn carpet or faded dreams. Downstairs is also a sauna, showers, and a couple of ancient couches where men often relax. It is dark and dingy. The showers mostly work, and are probably cleaned sometime, maybe on New Year's Day, and the Lord's Ascension.
Returning upstairs you will find that there are some cheap pastries on the counter, and two machines for water, cola etc, plus a jug of coffee. The toilet is just past the machines turn left round a corner. There is also a small outside area at this end of the club, and also a room where the girls eat.
Everybody will have been noting you since the girls are not allowed to approach. The club is basically one main room with three rows of couches, four couches in each row, plus couches against the side walls. There is a wall within this room which obscures some couches. Everybody as a result is facing forward, with most girls sitting at the front and on the couches in the main part of the room. If like most men you go to one of the obscured couches or at the back, you get a good view of the backs of the girls heads. I get round this either by sitting on a girl's couch while she is away in a room, or by loitering at the front of the room. Some men reserve the popular girls by sitting on their couches waiting for them to return from a room.
The girls are pleasant but there is little scope for passing them while they are walking, as they rarely move, except to go to a room, to open the front door, or to deal with the washing of the towels.
The music is to my mind miserable, but some people like the anodyne nature of very middle of the road stuff.
So a very quiet atmosphere.
The most popular girl at the moment is new Erica, slim, nice face, always busy, and even when she is not in a room, she is active, doing makeup, walking off to the girls' room and back. Full of energy. There is nothing not to like about her. And like all the girls in the club she charges 30 for 25 minutes, and 70 for an hour. Maybe she has about 20 customers a day.
Ana is super slim and also nice looking. Good service, but limited kissing.
Andrea is tiny and slim, and very reserved in the room, limited kissing, limited conversation, and one of the worst blowjobs I have ever had. But for 30 euros.
Alexia is slim also and does DFK and all the same services as the other girls. She has more of a personality on show, and can be a reasonable conversationalist also. She is also very busy. I found it hard to finish with her but she like all the other girls was willing to be fucked deeply and for a good length of time, which is not the case in all clubs.
Overall it is really good value, but the girls do have a tendency to be a bit unadventurous (unsurprisingly given how busy they are). All my girls did blowjobs, DATY, change of positions, and did their best. I chose the optically best girls, and I know that more lively service can be had with some of the other girls. To my chagrin I have to admit total defeat on getting any of the girls to have orgasm. The experience was good enough for me to have repeat sessions with some girls over three days.
As already mentioned I have never seen this club so busy as it now is. I had not been since well before July 2017 and was surprised that a cold snowy icy March saw the club to be so busy with men. There were about 14 girls (I think) and four were very slim, two or three quite slim, and none grossly fat. In ratio terms that is pretty much up with many big clubs. Often there were maybe 8 or 9 men in the main room and maybe five girls (the least popular ones of course).
A word of warning. Although the closing time is midnight or later, you might find yourself evicted along with other guests any time after 21.30. The girls work very long hours so when the club is quiet, or if the girls are very tired, the club will close to look after the girls.
So, typical Red Carpet Club, but without the family illusion at Dietzenbach and without the pot luck spikes of fun (and depression) at La Luna. It is very hard to spend all day here as there is no change of scene and no food (though you can order in pizza and go out to eat and return).
Cheap, and good value. I was a little disappointed as I had lost my Queen from Dietzenbach (to use Kosher Kowboy's terminology) and unsurprisingly did not find anyone I liked as much.
Vito. I guess Alice Theke at Dietzenbach took against you: she can be temperamental. She has always been very nice with me, and even laughs at my pathetic witticisms. I think you are hard on the girls looks. I would say they have been reasonable, with at least five I was ok with (and you know I am very picky for slim girls). I read that the new girls at Diezenbach include Diana from Venus. You are right about he girls disappearing off, but I don't mind that: they do better work for being able to pace themselves, but there are ways round it (approaching them as they fly by, or checking in advance when they will be eating, resting and so on). It is however disastrous if one does not have many hours to spare.
Anyway, we all have different experiences and good or bad luck.
I know there is a dedicated thread, but this came up here.
Cheers.
I thought I ought to do a "basics" report. Apologies for all those familiar with the club.
.Excellent great report Optimist.
Vito Corleone
03-24-18, 01:12
Vito. I guess Alice Theke at Dietzenbach took against you: she can be temperamental. She has always been very nice with me, and even laughs at my pathetic witticisms. I think you are hard on the girls looks. I would say they have been reasonable, with at least five I was ok with (and you know I am very picky for slim girls). I read that the new girls at Diezenbach include Diana from Venus. You are right about he girls disappearing off, but I don't mind that: they do better work for being able to pace themselves, but there are ways round it (approaching them as they fly by, or checking in advance when they will be eating, resting and so on). It is however disastrous if one does not have many hours to spare.
Anyway, we all have different experiences and good or bad luck.
I know there is a dedicated thread, but this came up here.
Cheers.I like Alice & I've known her since she was a fresh 18 yr old hottie at Grimberg. Those were the days when club prices changed hourly! She does her job behind the desk, but lets the girls do whatever they want. They need a Barbara type to run things. Some people might enjoy waiting around all day or just banging anything available because its raw. I'm a bit picky & only a few girls do it for me. During my 10-16 day trips I want to bang as many hot babes as I can. Not sit there & hope for the best.
I might have been a bit harsh on the lu.
Delta Indigo
03-24-18, 07:13
EG. Dead right. When a stranger enters there is a flicker of fear through a club. I was spared this when they realised I was a genuine foreigner.
Barbara may seem unfriendly but she was friendly to me from the second day, remembering my name.
Generally I think your points are correct.Are you talking about Luder Lounge? I have been there 4 or 5 times, service was great. There had been some incidents when I entered. Someone mentioned this was a former Nazi club.
I am not white and have never been refused entry anywhere ever, never been to the infamous GT.
1. A hideous receptionist asked me in an unfriendly way in German if I know what is allowed there? I said I was there the day before and I was let in.
2. A working girl let me in, the Thekefrau seemed mad at her about it, maybe this was about rank and procedure, but this same Thekefrau was very nice to me all day, I got some free cocktails.
3. A nicer looking MILF receptionist asked in German, " this is a private club, have you been here before?" The girls vouched for me but that put a bad taste in my mouth.
The girls and service were Great but otherwise this was a cheap grimy place, what was the big deal on getting in? I thought they were being racist and I left after 2 hours and never returned. Could it be that they weren't being racist?
Delta. I was talking about Venus. I don't know if it is racist in any way.
Wanking. Thanks
Vito. Point taken. In fact girls goofing off as I think you put it, ruined my visit to Freude for exactly the reasons you say. I will report when have time
Cheers all
During my 10-16 day trips I want to bang as many hot babes as I can. Not sit there & hope for the best.Yeah but it gives you a good chance to go and hide the towels hehehe.
Vito Corleone
03-25-18, 07:16
Yeah but it gives you a good chance to go and hide the towels hehehe.They always chase me around when I do that!
I am coming into Frankfurt in a few weeks and hitting some FKK's for the first time. I am wondering if there are any AO clubs in the Frankfurt area. I can have a lot of difficulty cumming covered so may want to find some other action when needed. Private message me if you don't want to post publicly but it would be much appreciated.
Thanks!
Triptogamont
03-25-18, 20:56
I am coming into Frankfurt in a few weeks and hitting some FKK's for the first time. I am wondering if there are any AO clubs in the Frankfurt area. I can have a lot of difficulty cumming covered so may want to find some other action when needed. Private message me if you don't want to post publicly but it would be much appreciated.
Thanks!It's got its own thread.
Vito Corleone
03-25-18, 23:19
I am coming into Frankfurt in a few weeks and hitting some FKK's for the first time. I am wondering if there are any AO clubs in the Frankfurt area. I can have a lot of difficulty cumming covered so may want to find some other action when needed. Private message me if you don't want to post publicly but it would be much appreciated.
Thanks!I'm not sure if they're any AO clubs near Frankfurt.
I thought I ought to do a "basics" report. Apologies for all those familiar with the club.
You reach it either by car or by tram to Amsterdammer Strasse and then 20 minute walk (or bus 910), ending up in a large commercial area, which outside business hours is almost totally deserted. Hence the ghosts which sometimes break car windows at night.
Normal entry procedure, press bell, wait to be buzzed in, the door opens and a girl hiding behind the door so as not to be seen, presents you with a towel. You then pay 30 euros to the woman behind the counter, Barbara, who gives you two keys, one for the downstairs clothes locker, and one for the upstairs valuable small locker (just behind you on the left). All the girls will by now have checked you out...http://www.fkk-venus.com/site/an.htm It took several searches to find which club you were describing.
Diet Coke. Quite right. Apologies. I seem to have lost the title. If you had asked, I would have saved you those several internet searches.
Please forgive my failing in my effort to produce a helpful report. I hope it might be of be some use nonetheless
So, Villa Venus, Konrad-Adenauer Ring, Duisburg.
Kosher Kowboy
03-26-18, 16:20
Apologies. I seem to have lost the title.
Please forgive my failing in my effort to produce a helpful report. I hope it might be of be some use nonetheless.No need apologize, you have lost no title, the only thing you have lost is your Queen. They come and they go. You will find a new one, seems some new and recycled Gypsies are back at our favorite place. I liked your NRW trip reports for me they were very helpful in deciding for myself (we can only map out our own games) if I should go sample the NRW or not. From your reports and Triptogomont's as well given the fact I know both your guys styles and likes I was able to as we say elsewhere in cyberspace ' make an educated and informed decision ' as how to continue in my travels. On that note BB69, Wanking, DMD and a few others have also provided great information as well. I am sure I left several off but those reports for me have been the most helpful.
I can also say your reports or any reports are very valuable to the board or any board and certainly beat those chest pumping or misleading posts that occasionally get posted. I would like to say I ignore those junk posts (in my opinion) but I actually read each one word for word and in turn better interpret those members reviews as I take them with a grain of salt once it becomes about them and their egos and hunt for love. It is very easy to separate the ' lost in love guys' to quote Air Supply vs the mongers'; I follow the mongers.
I am seeing many more reports than usual recently many from newer contributors so I hope all and yourself for sure continue to share their adventure chronicles to help others.
Good job, keep up the good work. That goes for all the guys pumping out reviews as of recently.
Smoke Light
03-27-18, 10:45
I can also say your reports or any reports are very valuable to the board or any board and certainly beat those chest pumping or misleading posts that occasionally get posted. I would like to say I ignore those junk posts (in my opinion) but I actually read each one word for word and in turn better interpret those members reviews as I take them with a grain of salt once it becomes about them and their egos and hunt for love. It is very easy to separate the ' lost in love guys' to quote Air Supply vs the mongers'; I follow the mongers..KK,
I used the word "love" a few times in my recent posts and reported about taking a girl outside the club. I feel like what you wrote here is a stone thrown in my yard. So let me clarify a few things. First of all I often use "love" when being sarcastic, but it may not often get across very well. Second, the girl I take out gets terrible reviews on German boards, E. G. Not kissing, no ball leaking, no fingers allowed in DATY, and so on, all standard criticisms regarding precious princess behavior. But somehow since my first session with her last year my chemistry with her is different and she allowed CIM at no extra charge in our first session. Since then I had many sessions with her and it was only getting better and better.
Unfortunately I cannot review the girl on her own club thread because she asked me not to. All other girls will know who she is and she is also afraid of the management to learn about her extra activity outside the club. Back to the subject of love. She likes to play a daddy game outside. This turns me on. Then she blows me at the autobahn rest stop near Dusseldorf. In hotel we had some shower games with activities banned from reports on ISG. She would never permit such activities in the club. In hotel I also finger her ass and ATM back and forth. I CIM and she swallows. She doesn't like it too much and in hotel has less orgasms than in club zimmer, but she does it for me. The next day I fuck her in the club after she already had I few rooms before me and she tells me in details what has she done with these guys including DATY and CIM. She is a serious exhibitionist, so she likes watching herself being fucked in the mirror all the time. True FKK love, LOL.
She used to be a webcam girl about four years before her FKK carrier. So at home I get an endless supply of nude pics from her and nude video chat. Do I regret spending some extra cash with her? No. To each their own. Please don't be too judgemental about other mongers and don't call them non-mongers. We are all mongers. One family. That's how I see it.
SmokeLight. Really good you have such a great time: as you say it all depends on chemistry. I must admit to being a bit jealous. I love it when there is some extra chemistry and time with a girl outside the club flies.
Seems to me that you are not what KK meant by " lost in love" guys. You are having a great relationship with a sex worker: that is different from guys who jealously guard their favourites, tediously claiming all sorts of emotional fantasies and writing with an arrogant selfassumed superiority.
As you say, and as KK often says, we all have different styles and indeed needs. Keep up the reports. And if you tire of your girl, give her my contact info LOL.
Triptogamont
03-27-18, 20:24
KK,
I used the word "love" a few times in my recent posts and reported about taking a girl outside the club. I feel like what you wrote here is a stone thrown in my yard. So let me clarify a few things. First of all I often use "love" when being sarcastic, but it may not often get across very well. Second, the girl I take out gets terrible reviews on German boards, E. G. Not kissing, no ball leaking, no fingers allowed in DATY, and so on, all standard criticisms regarding precious princess behavior. But somehow since my first session with her last year my chemistry with her is different and she allowed CIM at no extra charge in our first session. Since then I had many sessions with her and it was only getting better and better.
Unfortunately I cannot review the girl on her own club thread because she asked me not to. All other girls will know who she is and she is also afraid of the management to learn about her extra activity outside the club. Back to the subject of love. She likes to play a daddy game outside. This turns me on. Then she blows me at the autobahn rest stop near Dusseldorf. In hotel we had some shower games with activities banned from reports on ISG. She would never permit such activities in the club. In hotel I also finger her ass and ATM back and forth. I CIM and she swallows. She doesn't like it too much and in hotel has less orgasms than in club zimmer, but she does it for me. The next day I fuck her in the club after she already had I few rooms before me and she tells me in details what has she done with these guys including DATY and CIM. She is a serious exhibitionist, so she likes watching herself being fucked in the mirror all the time. True FKK love, LOL.
She used to be a webcam girl about four years before her FKK carrier. So at home I get an endless supply of nude pics from her and nude video chat. Do I regret spending some extra cash with her? No. To each their own. Please don't be too judgemental about other mongers and don't call them non-mongers. We are all mongers. One family. That's how I see it.Holy shit! I'm in love with your girl and I have no idea who you are even talking about!
Kosher Kowboy
03-27-18, 21:53
Seems to me that you are not what KK meant by " lost in love" guys. You are having a great relationship with a sex worker: that is different from guys who jealously guard their favourites, tediously claiming all sorts of emotional fantasies and writing with an arrogant selfassumed superiority..
KK,
I used the word "love" a few times in my recent posts and reported about taking a girl outside the club. I feel like what you wrote here is a stone thrown in my yard.
Unfortunately I cannot review the girl on her own club thread because she asked me not to. All other girls will know who she is and she is also afraid of the management to learn about her extra activity outside the club. Back to the subject of love. She likes to play a daddy game outside. This turns me on. Then she blows me at the autobahn rest stop near Dusseldorf. In hotel we had some shower games with activities banned from reports on ISG. She would never permit such activities in the club. In hotel I also finger her ass and ATM back and forth. I CIM and she swallows. She doesn't like it too much and in hotel has less orgasms than in club zimmer, but she does it for me. The next day I fuck her in the club after she already had I few rooms before me and she tells me in details what has she done with these guys including DATY and CIM. She is a serious exhibitionist, so she likes watching herself being fucked in the mirror all the time. True FKK love, LOL.
We are all mongers. One family.Yes, we are one family. All with different tastes and ways of enjoying the WG's; as you have outlined above or as I have just done blowing another 100 bill to AO a cum dumpster (I was client number 7 she said) punk rocker with tats and ink all over and pink hair. I think Optimist above laid out the point I was trying to get across perhaps I just failed in my wording. It sounds like you found a good working girl and your reasoning of keeping her cloaked is more than understandable. If your shower games were like the ones I enjoyed in Central America and Mexico and Madrid and Austin (sometimes involves the girl having to drink a lot of water prior) I am jealous would enjoy that myself. I do notice in Sharks there is at least one room with a shower stall in it, perhaps that is possible. I hope to get blown off some German road by a WG myself if I buy a car in Germany one day. Getting details from girls is great. I have one girl from Dallas-Fort Worth who tells me her room number and where to park for the best view of her room door when I see her and I get there 15 minutes early so I can see the previous sperm donating guy walk out and than once in the room tells me all the details about him and what they did and if he creampied and I know she tells the truth as the last time she was riding me about 15 seconds in to the ride I felt some liquid (was cold by that time) pour out of her on to me. She was nice and apologized.
So yes, we all have our own tastes, goals and desires and fetishes and are all mongers and one hopefully happy family.
The guys I refer to are far from what you have described. When jealousy and illusions of more than what you describe come in to play that is what I refer to. You separate reality from fantasy but in some guys cases they do not, let us hope they learn not get burned. So no stones cast here, all I can cast is loads and dollars (Euros.) A guy in 2016 here told me when I was first starting out ' Germany has something for everybody you have to find it' and it sounds like you are doing that. Keep up the good mongering, enjoy.
And to sum it up, I sure LOVE those Gyspies!
Smoke Light
03-30-18, 21:54
KK and Optimist,
Thanks for your replies. KK, I am amazed and impressed by your home activities. You a real cowboy, dude! Would be too expensive and risky for me.
Triptogamont,
She is now gone to Romania for a month break over Easter. PM me for her name and her club in NRW. Although late 20's, she is a real spinner, very slim, natural B cup titties, 158 cm without shoes. Cheeky girls face. Playful. I love it when she wears stockings. I say "Hey baby, you look like a prostitute today" and she replies "That was the idea, darling". Also an exhibitionist. Loves mirrors. Many times taken by me and other clients from behind standing in front of a mirror, in her work shoes and little panties pushed to the side.
I always had an amazing time with her. In our first room last summer she included CIM in the price of a one HR room. But please be warned, YMMV. Her freiercafe reviews really suck. No DFK, no ball licking, I even suspect often a CBJ. Her work strategy is as many E50 optifik rooms as possible. She enjoys sex with younger looking clients and muscle body (I am not that category, but good news for some Turkish boys).
Sometimes on WhatsUp she is a bit moody, unhappy or fighting the loverboy. Good and bad days, as true girlfriend would be LOL. But I must say: she never asked me for a money transfer. If she does, it'll be over quickly.
Kosher Kowboy
03-30-18, 23:17
KK and Optimist,
Thanks for your replies. KK, I am amazed and impressed by your home activities. You a real cowboy, dude! Would be too expensive and risky for me.
But I must say: she never asked me for a money transfer. If she does, it'll be over quickly.Austin is cheap to monger in but most of our girls would make ' The Gypsies' look like fashion models. Not sure how I got my name as I am neither part of my name. I do not keep Kosher never go to Temple never rode a horse and would jump for joy if the second amendment was ripped up, turned in to toilet paper and sent to Dietzenbach for the clients to wipe their rear ends with.
Sounds like the eastern Europeans do what the Latinas do and ask for money to be wired. On my last two trips to Panama I came home with several WhatsApp numbers, those girls for two to three weeks sent me dirty pictures and videos but the messages than turned in to requests for WesternUnion / Moneygram etc. I said no. Next thing I know their pictures were gone and I got the blank circle with no photo in it and the online status was gone.
Same stuff different place except my hunch is the girls over there ask for more than the equivalent to 1 or 2 hundred bucks.
Smoke Light
03-31-18, 01:07
Austin is cheap to monger in but most of our girls would make ' The Gypsies' look like fashion models. Not sure how I got my name as I am neither part of my name. I do not keep Kosher never go to Temple never rode a horse and would jump for joy if the second amendment was ripped up, turned in to toilet paper and sent to Dietzenbach for the clients to wipe their rear ends with.
Sounds like the eastern Europeans do what the Latinas do and ask for money to be wired. On my last two trips to Panama I came home with several WhatsApp numbers, those girls for two to three weeks sent me dirty pictures and videos but the messages than turned in to requests for WesternUnion / Moneygram etc. I said no. Next thing I know their pictures were gone and I got the blank circle with no photo in it and the online status was gone.
Same stuff different place except my hunch is the girls over there ask for more than the equivalent to 1 or 2 hundred bucks.I had quite a few Romanian girls in my WhatsApp and FB messenger contacts over past 3-4 years, but I really count only those that lasted more than two or three months. I'd say maybe 4 "longer lasting" contacts in the past couple of years. Each one of them eventually asked for money. That's all they need from us. Something to expect and be ready to say a firm no. I tell them I am under a federal tax audit and cannot transfer any money under an official order. Shortly after the chemistry is gone and the girls don't hang out for too long. If not unfriended right away, they just stop replying.
I see us, the traveling mongers, to be in a more difficult position than the locals. Letting warmer feelings to develop between you and a WG is just another game to play if you are a local. If visiting for a limited time, it may hurt you. Don't let this ever happen. How do you know if it already happened? It's when you stop looking at other girls in the club where she works. It's when you have just done the room with her, now both you and her out of the showers and you see her already flirting with another client who is one of her regulars and it starts to hurt because he is a local and he will bang her any time he pleases. You, on the other hand, will be gone back to the dumbness of the dumb fucking US in a couple of days. When I feel any of this I immediately move to a different club to stop seeing this shit and stop thinking like an idiot in love. Just a small warning to those of us who sometimes catch ourselves developing a "love" for one "special" girl. Bad mistake, we mongers should never allow this to happen. Move on, be happy, enjoy real sex, and avoid WhatsApp money traps.
Vito Corleone
03-31-18, 04:12
Austin is cheap to monger in but most of our girls would make ' The Gypsies' look like fashion models. Not sure how I got my name as I am neither part of my name. I do not keep Kosher never go to Temple never rode a horse and would jump for joy if the second amendment was ripped up, turned in to toilet paper and sent to Dietzenbach for the clients to wipe their rear ends with.
Sounds like the eastern Europeans do what the Latinas do and ask for money to be wired. On my last two trips to Panama I came home with several WhatsApp numbers, those girls for two to three weeks sent me dirty pictures and videos but the messages than turned in to requests for WesternUnion / Moneygram etc. I said no. Next thing I know their pictures were gone and I got the blank circle with no photo in it and the online status was gone.
Same stuff different place except my hunch is the girls over there ask for more than the equivalent to 1 or 2 hundred bucks.I've never been to Austin but it cannot be that bad! Those gypsies in all the RTC's remind me of what leftover in the toilet before I flush after taking a dump!
I defend my rights to hear arms & if necessary to use lethal force in self defense. I also support strict background checks when purchasing a firearm.
Most of these euro chicks on whatsapp have a sudden family emergency. 95% of Romania must be on life support!!
Kosher Kowboy
03-31-18, 14:15
I've never been to Austin but it cannot be that bad! Those gypsies in all the RTC's remind me of what leftover in the toilet before I flush after taking a dump!
I defend my rights to hear arms & if necessary to use lethal force in self defense. I also support strict background checks when purchasing a firearm.Our ' best' girls want a BMW payment for an hour some a BMW payment for a half hour. The best ones can hit the road for LA, Phoenix, Chicago, Atlanta, S Florida and so on. To make a baseball comparison Austin is a A or AA city at best, not even AAA or anywhere near the majors. We are all entitled to our differing opinions and I can offer none on the RTC gals in the NRW as I have yet to go. I also think as has been pointed out before you can be a little hard on the Gypsies at Alice's that I tend to not view as ugly as yourself but we are all entitled to develop our own ratings for girls in any clubs. I will agree with you the Dietz girls are no top notch models by any means. They have just grown on me and somewhere along the line most likely in the fall of 2017 I think I contracted something from Optimist most likely transferred vaginally thru Bianca possibly Elena that triggers my brain to see these Dietz gals in a much different and dignified way. I seem to find myself (and my Euros) a well respected and desired guest in the club so perhaps I am just returning the favor to the gals and see them differently than yourself at this point but lineups change slowly over time and perhaps admittedly the fun times I have with the girls in and out of the room have clouded my vision to their looks. Like the lineups change over time maybe the Dietz gals will be viewed more favorably in the future by yourself as well. While you are fully entitled to your opinion on ' The Gypsies' or any other girls working in Germany or anywhere keep in mind they are still human beings just like you and I. Call them ugly, call them trashy, lazy, high volume garbage or whatever you want but do you really think it is fair to label them as pieces of human excrement in a toilet? Once again you are entitled to your opinion as much as myself or anyone else on this board but I think your depiction of them is pretty harsh. My mother may she rest in peace would probably be appalled at my choice to attend day care but she would be more appalled if I referred to any woman, Wh* or not as a piece of shit. Even in jest.
The right to bear arms came about because the colonists were subject to all kinds of atrocities by the British troops so bearing arms was important (for self defense) at the time but in todays world this is not the case. The amendment should not be abolished (I do go too far w that) but there is zero need for anything more than a pistol, a rifle or a shotgun to defend ones home or to go hunting for food / sport.
Smoke Light
03-31-18, 15:21
I've never been to Austin but it cannot be that bad! Those gypsies in all the RTC's remind me of what leftover in the toilet before I flush after taking a dump!
I defend my rights to hear arms & if necessary to use lethal force in self defense. I also support strict background checks when purchasing a firearm.
Most of these euro chicks on whatsapp have a sudden family emergency. 95% of Romania must be on life support!!In a split of a second I would trade my rights to bear arms for the rights to have peaceful and legal P4P sex with the trashiest RTC gypsies on US soil and elsewhere. Oh, and use WhatsApp to hook up with them. Please copy and paste what I just said into the 28th Constitution amendment. Please do so ASAP, while I am still in my 50's.
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