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Kosher Kowboy

03-31-18, 16:30

KK. I am honoured, or maybe horrified, to think I have infected you with my special brain wiring which sees these girls as beautiful, and makes me content to be accepted as part of the family at Dietzenbach or similar. Like any family, it needs someone to bring in the money. I started thinking this way in response to meeting too many stuck-up Precious Princesses at Sharks. Or maybe it was just meeting dear departed devious Bianca....lol..My history could be wrong or perhaps it was a partial reason but the only gun that matters is the one in our pants (or towel) and it would be nice if there was a way to allow for rapid fire and the ability to shoot multiple rounds in to the Gypsies where we could set our own refraction times. I will certainly make sure to bring in the money for our Gypsies perhaps I will offer to pay for the bag of lunch that arrives early to mid afternoon however the food would probably get cold trying to explain to Princess Anna the Luncheon Coordinator what I am trying to do. Since you are such a nice honest guy I think I will see Elena and when I pay her give her a down payment on your behalf and let her know she is officially reserved to be crowned by British Royalty. I can not seem to find a Queen yet, few potentials, need to interview them and look for their inner beauty and kind hearts thanks to your screwed up wiring passed through DNA cocktail bartenders Elena or Bianca in either Room 2, 3 or 4 where they usually operate out of.

TankTank123

03-31-18, 23:07

I am not sure about the historical culpability of British troops for Americans bearing arms, but will leave that alone as the British have been responsible for all sorts of atrocities right up until almost the present day.The right to bear arms is not directly related to 'atrocities committed by British troops', maybe indirectly. Rather the 2nd Amendment was to legalise the raising of Militias, and enabling the Militias to bear arms to fight the British.

A minority point of view is that since there are no more British troops left in the U.S. to shoot at accept for those in exchange programs, a few in training institutes, and a few senior ones in the Defence Attache's Office in Washington, there is no more need for Militias and this Amendment should hence be made defunct.

Here is the relevant extract from the 2nd Amendment:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. ".

Neurosynth

03-31-18, 23:18

Given that the constitution was written for the post-revolutionary period, I doubt the second amendment had to do with defending against the British. It was to allow the populace the option of combating an overreaching US federal government should one develop.

Vito Corleone

04-01-18, 04:21

In a split of a second I would trade my rights to bear arms for the rights to have peaceful and legal P4P sex with the trashiest RTC gypsies on US soil and elsewhere. Oh, and use WhatsApp to hook up with them. Please copy and paste what I just said into the 28th Constitution amendment. Please do so ASAP, while I am still in my 50's.I wouldn't trade my rights to bear arms for the chance to do just the gypsies in the rtc's. I would in a split second trade it away if the USA legalizes prostitution in every state & the prices & services the same. If it is like the loser ripoff places in Nevada located in the middle of nowhere & way over priced for crap service then forget about it.

Vito Corleone

04-01-18, 04:33

Our ' best' girls want a BMW payment for an hour some a BMW payment for a half hour. The best ones can hit the road for LA, Phoenix, Chicago, Atlanta, S Florida and so on. To make a baseball comparison Austin is a A or AA city at best, not even AAA or anywhere near the majors. We are all entitled to our differing opinions and I can offer none on the RTC gals in the NRW as I have yet to go. I also think as has been pointed out before you can be a little hard on the Gypsies at Alice's that I tend to not view as ugly as yourself but we are all entitled to develop our own ratings for girls in any clubs. I will agree with you the Dietz girls are no top notch models by any means. They have just grown on me and somewhere along the line most likely in the fall of 2017 I think I contracted something from Optimist most likely transferred vaginally thru Bianca possibly Elena that triggers my brain to see these Dietz gals in a much different and dignified way. I seem to find myself (and my Euros) a well respected and desired guest in the club so perhaps I am just returning the favor to the gals and see them differently than yourself at this point but lineups change slowly over time and perhaps admittedly the fun times I have with the girls in and out of the room have clouded my vision to their looks. Like the lineups change over time maybe the Dietz gals will be viewed more favorably in the future by yourself as well..I call it the way I see it. I'm not knocking you or anyone who likes the entire Lu at Dietz or any club. I'm just a newbie who doesn't have much experience. Using baseball terms most of the girls at the RTC's are beer league. Weekend get together with middle aged friends trying to re live their youth. A few have AA potential & AAA aspirations. Some try to make it in the major leagues & get humbled quick. Their were a few who had major league all star looks & bodies like Alina (many years ago for Arabella grimberg aca & Samya) & Raissa (Arabella f39 samya).

When watching a major league team, you expect major league talent. When a single A team, well that's the talent you get with a few AA & once in a while AAA talent.

Kuni042

04-01-18, 09:30

Mini-Report on Salome, Saturday March 31st:

I arrived at 8 pm. The parking lot was 50% filled. That is my indicator of a good evening. Paid the normal 40 e entrance fee. Had some food. Which is very middling. Even low-scale. FYI: I am not a big fan of deutsche Bratwurst. I can get stuffed. But it pales in comparison with larger clubs. Hope they can fix the food!

It was about 8. 30 when I was ready to go for my first session. The club was still having a slow start with maybe 15 girls and 15 bears. One very good looking girl, Stella, black hair, 24 yrs, german newbie and part-timer filled exactly my bill. She is from the face an 8-9. From the body more a 6-7. B-cup, natural. She has tad bit too many tatoos... :-( Nevertheless, I had an really good hour with her. Sessions in Salome cost 40 e per 30 min. So this was 80 e for 60 min.

My next session was with tall, 180 cm, red-haired, german Mia. B-cup, natural. She is amazing. Very skilled and claims to be from Berlin.

All in all, very happy with Salome, which seems slowly to be developing into a serious contender in the NRW scene. When I left the club at about 11 pm, it was humming and I spotted at least 30 girls non-booked (so likely 50 in total) - 10 really good ones. And most importantly, about 6 germans, which I am into.

P.S.: please PM me, if you see german girls in clubs, esp. In NRW. These can best support my verbal tick.

Free Dude

04-01-18, 09:39

Mini-Report on Salome, Saturday March 31st:

I arrived at 8 pm. The parking lot was 50% filled. That is my indicator of a good evening. Paid the normal 40 e entrance fee. Had some food. Which is very middling. Even low-scale. FYI: I am not a big fan of deutsche Bratwurst. I can get stuffed. But it pales in comparison with larger clubs. Hope they can fix the food!

It was about 8. 30 when I was ready to go for my first session. The club was still having a slow start with maybe 15 girls and 15 bears. One very good looking girl, Stella, black hair, 24 yrs, german newbie and part-timer filled exactly my bill. She is from the face an 8-9. From the body more a 6-7. I had an really good hour with her. Sessions in Salome cost 40 e per 30 min. So this was 80 e for 60 min.

My next session was with tall, 180 cm, red-haired, german Mia. She is amazing. Very skilled and claims to be from Berlin.

All in all, very happy with Salome, which seems slowly to be developing into a serious contender in the NRW scene. When I left the club at about 11 pm, it was humming and I spotted at least 30 girls non-booked (so likely 50 in total) - 10 really good ones. And most importantly, about 6 germans, which I am into.

P.S.: please PM me, if you see german girls in clubs, esp. In NRW. These can best support my verbal tick.First of all, Salome is not part of the RTC chain and not an AO club, at least not openly known as such.

Secondly, Salome never has been and never will be a contender among the big clubs in NRW. It aims almost exclusively at immigrants that reside in Bochum and Dortmund. People that come from farther away are more likely to go to Freude or Verena to get cheap AO.

BigBuddy69

04-02-18, 12:21

I thought that Salome was the little sister club of the big Freude 39 when it wasn't a RTC. So it's 40 € for 30 minutes? Not bad.

Sirioja

04-02-18, 22:27

Wanking

04-03-18, 11:29

Was in Arabella for 2 days, 17th and 19th March. Overall I've had 4 visits there now and have done all the girls there except 1. Service has been very good overall, best I've ever had anywhere really. Its the little things, the kissing, the fingering (maybe half the girls) the CIM, the AO etc.

Last 2 visits I didn't do any 1 hour sessions and I do feel the 25 min session is a bit short, but as always I'm on a budget and I felt happier having cum in the 25 minutes and just paying out 30 instead of 70. Had 4 sessions with 4 cums on the Saturday and 5 sessions with 5 cums on the Monday.

It is boring there between sessions but still I enjoy it there. There is a cozy family sort of atmosphere. Also I ordered in food twice this time, a pork schnitzel with mushroom sauce first day and a pizza 2nd day. Its a 10 euro min charge for delivery so make sure to order 10 euro worth of food. If you order a pizza costing 5 euro it will still cost 10 euro so better order a pizza plus side salad or whatever adds up to a tenner.

My other more detailed report from January is further down the thread.

Diet Coke

04-03-18, 21:52

Member #4585

04-04-18, 01:44

Was in Arabella Also I ordered in food twice this time, a pork schnitzel with mushroom sauce first day and a pizza 2nd day. Its a 10 euro min charge for delivery so make sure to order 10 euro worth of food. If you order a pizza costing 5 euro it will still cost 10 euro so better order a pizza plus side salad or whatever adds up to a tenner.Forget the girls. Sounds like Arabella is worth the visit just for the food. You describe it well.

HeyyyyyyPaul

04-04-18, 03:41

Adding my reports to Villa venus and grimberg with some other details.

Villa Venus Konrad-Adenauer-Ring 17.

Do not get this place confused with FKK Venus that is also in the area.

Solid, solid place. Goes into my top 5 clubs.

The prettiest girl (a legit 8 face) was probably the one sitting in front directly across from the cashier. Got to respect the discipline for her to make out like lost lovers with really old guys and young (er) ones alike. For the hottest girl at that place to do that requires sucking it up and it looked like the most enthusiastic DFK out of all the girls as well.

Lines formed for the most popular girl, dark skinned, long haired girl that greeted each customer with a huge smile like they were her very first customer.

I went with the small andrea chick. Gypsy face and not much enthusiasm but like all girls at this place, solid preview DFK and no problems with soft tongue fighting throughout the session. Mechanical sex but took directions well and a lovable submissive attitude.

This place doesn't even pretend about condoms like dietzenbach which had condoms in every room. When I asked for condom, she took 3 minutes to go get one. Will bring my own sagamis the next time I come here.

Loved the 'mandatory' DFK before going to the room from every girl.

Overall lineup optics: 6. 5/10.

Grimberg.

This place is grim as fuck. Horrible lighting originally made the girls here look pretty good, but upon closer inspection. Ugh.

Went with the shorter, dirty blonde romanian girl with the small gap in between front teeth. Was not planning on a session until she jumped me when I was about to leave. Pretty WILD in the room doing a couple positions that I haven't done in years.

Compared to the girls at VV, they were pretty undisciplined here but I still did not see any rejections in over 20 rooms.

Lineup looks on par with Dietz.

Overall lineup optics: 5. 5/10.

MarquisdeSade1

04-04-18, 09:53

I wouldn't trade my rights to bear arms for the chance to do just the gypsies in the rtc's. I would in a split second trade it away if the USA legalizes prostitution in every state & the prices & services the same. If it is like the loser ripoff places in Nevada located in the middle of nowhere & way over priced for crap service then forget about it.https://www.thelocal.de/20140303/third-victim-of-dusseldorf-law-firm-attacks-dies

Wanking

04-04-18, 10:47

Forget the girls. Sounds like Arabella is worth the visit just for the food. You describe it well.For me the Arabella girls are mostly around 7's in looks but the service sells it.

Citizen Kane

04-04-18, 17:34

https://www.thelocal.de/20140303/third-victim-of-dusseldorf-law-firm-attacks-diesErkrath. That's Magnum territory. The club not the firearm.

Kuni042

04-05-18, 00:40

Yes on BBJ and DFK.

Can you describe typical service? BBJ or CBJ? Kissing? DATY? And so on..

Kuni042

04-05-18, 00:49

My sampling suggests otherwise:

I visited in the same 2 weeks Magnum, Acapulco Velbert as well. Salome had better choice of girls.

Also judging from the cars at the parking lot, customers came from all over. Freude is report to be more low-scale than Salome.

But hey. I have little interest in artificially hyping any club up. Next week I will be at Sharks.

First of all, Salome is not part of the RTC chain and not an AO club, at least not openly known as such.

Secondly, Salome never has been and never will be a contender among the big clubs in NRW. It aims almost exclusively at immigrants that reside in Bochum and Dortmund. People that come from farther away are more likely to go to Freude or Verena to get cheap AO.

Vito Corleone

04-06-18, 08:34

https://www.thelocal.de/20140303/third-victim-of-dusseldorf-law-firm-attacks-diesI didn't mention not having a couple unlicensed firearms around just in case the sh*t hits the fence!

Kuni042

04-15-18, 20:59

Well. I just was last week again in Salome. It was ok. But LU was certainly not great.

My sampling suggests otherwise:

I visited in the same 2 weeks Magnum, Acapulco Velbert as well. Salome had better choice of girls.

Also judging from the cars at the parking lot, customers came from all over. Freude is report to be more low-scale than Salome.

But hey. I have little interest in artificially hyping any club up. Next week I will be at Sharks.

EastGoing

04-19-18, 18:08

I'm back from visiting each and every RTC of NRW. I will try to make a quick review of all of them.

- Romantika it has always been somehow my favourite club, when having a reason for going there. Not only because it is the only one where a room is still 30 euros for 30 minutes, but because it is always fairly empty, even more between the happy hours, which means some 8-9 hours, pratically all afternoon. If I find a girl, or better more, which I like, she's extremely likely to stay with me all the time for free apart from when there might be some other possible customers. And also without having to make discussions with her colleagues or risking to be reproached by the theke for that. This time I was lucky to find one who was on her last day there, she was even forgetting to ask me the money after the rooms, I had to chase her at closing time, already dressed to leave, to pay her! For the rest, another 5 "girls" whom I wouldn't zimmer for free. The theke was nice and english speaking.

- Arabella a solid delusion, 10 girls, only one slim: ugly and sad-faced Bianca (last year Emma in Verena); Carmen is on the chubby side, sweet and offering anal; Sabrina is getting heavier and heavier (in all senses); the rest of the crew: bulgarian Maria, she should be close to pension; bulgarian Anastasia, can speak english but looks like a man, anyway unfuckable for me (I made a room with her when she was slim and presentable, 4 years ago, quite good); the forerunner dominican who used to work with condoms even years ago, now must be over 40; another 4 monsters I didn't even dare to investigate.

- Grimberg some of you might remember when, before the fall of the walls, the USSR football team was the entire Dinamo Kiev apart from the goalkeeper, coach of both teams was tovarish colonel Valery Lobanowsky. Not sure if the owner got inspiration from that, but the Gelsenkirchener team is unchangeable, set, permanent: Angie, Sissi, Lily, Kathy, etc. The "goalkeeper" in our case is a new, very lively, cheerful, perennially smiling and physically fuckable bulgarian girl: Sara. Defects: being bulgarian. Even if in her case in good faith, she was quite goal-oriented and "enjoying" with intense moans our session, even when my dick was just touching her body but was not inside yet. Inspite of these demonstrations of appreciation from her, my self-esteem didn't grow at her "oh"s and "ah"s, but the room was surely decent.

More will come.

DMD2017

04-19-18, 20:41

Her weight seems to fluctuate from time to time.

When I first saw her, she was okay (not fat or thin). A few months later, she was chubby and then I didn't go with her. Yet another few months later, she was much thinner but had a little bit of deflated skin (like when you went on a diet and your skin didn't catch up with your loss of belly fat yet)! On my last trip in March, she looked okay again. She must have gained a bit from the Easter holiday where all the girls go back home and eat a lot!

I do remember a time when Lily from Grimberg was absolutely fuckable and thin, but that was almost 2 years ago! I sure hope her weight comes down, but that might be wishful thinking!

Downandup

04-19-18, 20:59

bulgarian Anastasia, can speak english but looks like a manShe does not look like a man to me, female, a little thick and plain.

I remember her from years ago at Freude39 when AO was standard but she would only do it with a condom. Since then, I did her AO once at Arabella although it was at least a year ago. Now with the new laws I expect that she is back to her old ways so I did not go with her the last time I visited.

I was thinking about visiting Arabella a lot on my next trip (sadly that is not until mid summer) but may add Romantika to the mix now.

EastGoing

04-20-18, 01:55

"Stars" and beauties were absent: Andrea, Laura and Tina in Romania; Sonia in F39. But there were a few new faces.

Emma: Good body, bad teeth, she thinks to be who knows who and what. The only satisfaction I got from her was to be informed that I have a big dick, but neither this time my self esteem grew. Well, I would like to remember to those who might be envious with me for this reason, that a small dick can enter anywhere and doesn't disturb the owner of the holes. In her honour, I must say that I unloaded, even if through atrocious physical sufferences by her side and psychological exhauriment by my side.

Maria: short, slim, young, pretty gipsy face. She looks a bit indifferent, but in the room she gave me great satisfaction inspite of not having great skills. Boosted up my self esteem, LOL!

Sara: bulgarian, gipsy face but not beautiful, her body is quite good. She follows instructions without complaining, even joking and smiling. The typical bulgarians defects were quite light.

There was another bulgarian I might have tried, but I thought I couldn't be so lucky twice, so maybe next time.

Rest of crew: Ina, still big; Elena, got fatter than ever; Rebecca, got fatter as well, but she takes endless pounding without watching the clock, complaining nor having pains, actually she seems to enjoy quite a lot. At the moment I don't remember the other 2-3 girls who where there, evidently they didn't hit my fantasy. Worth mentioning that none of the girls was tampering any customer for being taken, they were peacefully waiting to be approached, it was nearly boring.

P.S. Downandup,

I respect everybody's tastes even if they are different from mine. What I write is from my personal experience and tastes, of course other men might have better or worse service and different opinions and tastes. I can tell you that I fucked Anastasia AO in Grimberg on Tuesday may 13th 2014 starting the session at 10,10. Some months later, when F39 opened, she moved there. I don't know if and what she allows now, and honestly it doesn't matter to me, but I wish you to achieve what you desire.

DMD,

Carmen is a good room in any case, and still fuckable (I have seen her bigger than now), specially compared to her colleagues of last week.

Jimmy Boy 99

04-20-18, 03:50

Snip. Sara: bulgarian, gipsy face but not beautiful, her body is quite good. She follows instructions without complaining, even joking and smiling. The typical bulgarians defects were quite light.

There was another bulgarian I might have tried, but I thought I couldn't be so lucky twice, so maybe next time. Snip.I don't remember sessioning with any Bulgarian girls, although I must have at some point. What are the typical Bulgarian defects? Thanks.

Vito Corleone

04-20-18, 11:34

Great reports! Always entertaining!

Glad to have you back!

Vito Corleone

04-20-18, 11:50

I don't remember sessioning with any Bulgarian girls, although I must have at some point. What are the typical Bulgarian defects? Thanks.You would know if you frequent the RTC's! Difficult to explain. Just have to see it yourself.

EastGoing

04-20-18, 17:15

I don't remember sessioning with any Bulgarian girls, although I must have at some point. What are the typical Bulgarian defects? Thanks.Jimmy,

When did you have your sessions? I don't read a lot the forum, but I don't remember your post.

Anyway, bulgarian defects in my opinon are: usually efforts to smile and conquer you to their couch, then leave their good mood on the couch; being extremely goal-oriented; couch time pratically zero; usually pathetic kissing if any; will to suck and fuck as quick as possible hoping that the customer will finish sooner; obnovious loud excessive unmotivated fake moaning; ignoring customer's requests to slow down and stop moaning; will and insistence to continuously try to change position hoping to find the one who might make finish the customer as soon as possible; no common languages; rushing out as soon as the session ends. I might have forgotten something.

EastGoing

04-20-18, 17:47

The only club without any HH at all of all the RTCs last week, and I'd say this one as well. The only club where you actually can go more than once, because you have a variety of choices and alternatives. There are no stunners, none of them stands above the other ones. With one eye closed and a bit of imagination, they are all 6, more or less, let's say they might range from 5 to 6,5 (please note: scale adapted to RTCs clubs!), but the service is generally quite good from all of them (even from the bulgarians!): no surprises, no overcharges, no extras, no discussions, no stress, no etc. Even those who have "problems with performing" (too strict pussy, pains, etc.) will manage to compensate somehow.

A funny episode: a girl had sex on the couch, at the beginning I thought they were ripping the wrapping of a chewing gum, but it must have been something else whose existence I ignore. Eventually the man must have made her "dirty" somehow somewhere (outside her body). I didn't follow the whole matter, but I understood what must have happened by the heavy swears of the gone mad girl, who was now forced to take a shower! A disaster, a tragedy, it really spoilt her day, but I am sure she managed to use as less water and soap as possible by rinsing only the hit areas.

Christian G

04-20-18, 18:08

- Arabella ....Carmen is on the chubby side, sweet and offering anal;

This is a good news, thanks for sharing.

Downandup

04-20-18, 19:41

P.S. Downandup,

I respect everybody's tastes even if they are different from mine. I can tell you that I fucked Anastasia AO in Grimberg on Tuesday may 13th 2014 starting the session at 10,10. Some months later, when F39 opened, she moved there. I don't know if and what she allows now, and honestly it doesn't matter to me, but I wish you to achieve what you desire.
EastGoing,

I was not trying to start a fight and I'm not a fan of her either. Just saying that I think that she is more mediocre than anything else in looks, service etc.

Jimmy Boy 99

04-21-18, 05:52

Jimmy,

When did you have your sessions? I don't read a lot the forum, but I don't remember your post.

Anyway, bulgarian defects in my opinon are: usually efforts to smile and conquer you to their couch, then leave their good mood on the couch; being extremely goal-oriented; couch time pratically zero; usually pathetic kissing if any; will to suck and fuck as quick as possible hoping that the customer will finish sooner; obnovious loud excessive unmotivated fake moaning; ignoring customer's requests to slow down and stop moaning; will and insistence to continuously try to change position hoping to find the one who might make finish the customer as soon as possible; no common languages; rushing out as soon as the session ends. I might have forgotten something.You don't remember them since my posts are from a long time ago, as I haven't been to an RTC club since the end of 2015. Thanks for the info. However, wasn't Marianne at Venus Bulgarian? She was a great session until she cut me off.

Optimist

04-21-18, 11:30

EastGoing

04-21-18, 11:45

The best club among RTCs for your eyes, it has the best and bigger outside area. Now that nice weather is coming, it is very nice to stay out there sunbathing and relaxing, with a soft drink and possibly a girl on your lap or anyway beside you. I know that for customers going to normal clubs this might sound ridiculous, being so normal, but those who visit RTCs are used to dark caves and normally ignore whether outside it is sunny or stormy. Luderland, which in fact was previously club Globe, has a garden with grass and flowers, which helped me conquering the tender heart of a girl: I shyly went to her with a little bouquet and not even half an hour later we were making love! LOL! F39 doesn't even have a window!

Currently, optically speaking, it is the best also referred to the girls (I would say 3-4 stand well above the rest in there and also in the other RTCs), but is littered with traps: limitations, swings of service and moods, changes of offers and extra surcharges lurk on too many couches. What you might get is up to your luck, dealing skills, witts, whatever.

Both thekes, Monika and Cristina, are nice and english speaking.

Just a few names:

Selina, in these clubs since at least 4 years, she got fatter again and says she doesn't offer anal anymore;

Anita, same as above, I don't know whether she still offers it, but she's evaluating an offer from Pirelli to become their new logo, so she might not need anymore to perform;

Dana, met some 4-5 years ago for the first time in Venus, she was fat and unfuckable, now it is since last year she got quite good proportions, but on the "big side", unfortunately she trespasses my allowance of physical compatibility, a pity because she seems to be quite good in zimmer;

Layla, hungarian, she was a great kisser, but came back with 2 asses after a long absence. It seems she works abiding to the laws;

Maria, captivating smile, I counted her as the possible "4" in the above parenthesis not really for her merits but because of the other girls' demerits. Make sure to think well of what you would like to do, because things you might take for granted, specially in this environment, could be out of her service;

Oana, must have doubled up her weight since joining, her teeth frighten me, but it seems she's very sweet in the room;

Finally, a shocking news: there is a girl who disappears for some 10-15 minutes after each room even if she knows there is a line waiting for her. Ashamingly, she showers totally! She goes back to couch fresh and smelling of soap everywhere, even inside her pussy! She says that one of her colleagues does the same, I would say not always and surely not for that long and with so much care. I don't know how much that girl or habit will last!

P.S. What would the colleague of Venus I wrote about in the previous post say if she knew of this outrageous habit?

Neurosynth

04-21-18, 22:08

Agree Luderland has much better infrastructure than most RTCs, smaller than but competitive with F39 in that regard. As you implied, that's mostly momentum from its previous life as a more standard FKK. And AO at Luderland was always, even before the "new" law, something to be asked about rather than assumed. About 80% were AO ready before the law. Now? For those in the Bonn area it's now the closest alternative with the apparently permanent closing of Annabella.

Wanking

04-21-18, 22:50

Bulgarian Anastasia, can speak english but looks like a man, anyway unfuckable for me (I made a room with her when she was slim and presentable, 4 years ago, quite .Good updates there Eastgoing, you forgot to mention her Wonky eye. First time I saw her I thought she was horrible looking but she really grew on me. I think she actually has a pretty face and a nice body. I had a session with her last trip and her cunny smelt real nice, because she hadn't had a session all day and the musky smell had built up over the hours. I also enjoyed talking to her at several times throughout the day.

EastGoing

04-22-18, 04:18

EastGoing. AgaIn, welcome back to your informative cock-eyed style, much missed. I think your assessment of the optics is a bit harsh, but then maybe it is my vision and mental faculties are fading. Maybe you will tell me that a beauty I went with was in fact a rugby player.

Keep dedicating yourself to reporting for us on the dark regions where the creatures lurk.

Cheers.Cock-eyed.. Well, my small head has only one blind eye so it doesn't see the beholder of the mucosas it is surfing, but my big head has 2 eyes who try to scan the girls. The low lights of these clubs hide a lot, but I always investigate as much as possible, in the rooms I also open windows for light (and air). I travel a lot for them and spend the most of my earnings for this purpose, they cater for my sexual needs and sometimes satisfy even a bit of "emotional" ones. Don't take this literally, of course you cannot develop that much of feelings or relationship in such a situation, but plenty of them have given me much better sex and much more passion than some girlfriends I have had in real life.

I don't mean to despise the girls who work in RTCs, but I can't help noticing they have plenty of physical defects, even many of those I take / have taken repeatedly (for various reasons which could range from lack of alternatives to great service or whatever else) are girls which I wouldn't court or yearn for in real life, because of their bodies / appearances.

For instance, had you ever met Arianna, ex F39 and Arabella, now missing in space? A not that ugly, quite young skeleton with nearly the entire upper arch of the teeth missing. Anyway, even if you don't attend these clubs that much, you must have seen more whales than Jacques Cousteau.

I will take as example Venus girls because you have been recently there.

Anna, who is famous for her good service: nearly a skeleton, small hanging sucked out tits, countless stretchmarks around her hips, ass and upper legs, with massive doses of make up which can't hide (from a close inspection) a face covered by pimples, she has stains of white on her blackish body (or dark stains on her white body?).

Have I zimmered her? Yes, and more than once. Will I again? Extremely probably, at least with the current crew. Why? For a few reasons, at least in my experience: she is always smiling and cheerful, willing to please as much as she can, she never gets tired, in pain nor has any annoying problem, she doesn't mind the watch, etc.

Would I meet her outside (obviously for free) on her day off, if she asked me? Probably yes, because I take pride whenever a prostitute gives me more than she is supposed to, because I reckon much more difficult to be "chosen" and "liked" by a girl who goes with hundreds of men (and many will be younger, richer, more beautiful, etc., than me) without the scruples and doubts that our society imposes to women, than to be "chosen" or "loved" by a girl who has had a few boyfriends, who must pay attention to her choices and reputation, or maybe gives a look to my watch, my car, my income, etc.
Would I approach her if I met her on the beach, not knowing what is her job? No, because I don't like her body, and the outer aspect is the first thing anyone perceives.

Not even considering the "grandmas" Melly, Maria and Michaela BB, what are you left with? A bunch of (mostly quite young) mother girls, with falling tits and other damages from their pregnancies, and a few girls who look even too young (Andrea, Erica) or are chubby (Selina, Rebecca). If it wasn't for the AO and the all inclusive service (kisses, DATY, changing positions, etc.), even performed in such a satisfying way, you wouldn't go with them not even if it was you getting paid!

Before discovering these clubs, I was paying for quite beautiful girls, but basically only my eyes and hands were happy (no AO). In the beginning it was difficult to adjust to this low level, now I am used to it and enjoy maximally with my dick and sometimes a little bit with my "heart", but I have had to sacrify my eyes and often the hands as well. Since I cannot, and anyway I don't want to, pay a beautiful girl hundreds of euros to fuck AO and with GFE all inclusive, I manage to be happy with what I can get.

I don't visit normal clubs with stunners or beautiful girls, like you and many others normally do, so I wonder why I can "realize and admit" what I just pointed out and you can not. However what matters is one's happiness, not what others think.

Don't take it as a bad criticism, you know I highly estimate you and respect anybody's tastes, I am just replying by expressing my points of view ;-)

Triptogamont

04-22-18, 05:30

Cock-eyed.. Well, my small head has only one blind eye so it doesn't see the beholder of the mucosas it is surfing, but my big head has 2 eyes who try to scan the girls. The low lights of these clubs hide a lot, but I always investigate as much as possible, in the rooms I also open windows for light (and air). I travel a lot for them and spend the most of my earnings for this purpose, they cater for my sexual needs and sometimes satisfy even a bit of "emotional" ones. Don't take this literally, of course you cannot develop that much of feelings or relationship in such a situation, but plenty of them have given me much better sex and much more passion than some girlfriends I have had in real life.

I don't mean to despise the girls who work in RTCs, but I can't help noticing they have plenty of physical defects, even many of those I take / have taken repeatedly (for various reasons which could range from lack of alternatives to great service or whatever else) are girls which I wouldn't court or yearn for in real life, because of their bodies / appearances.

For instance, had you ever met Arianna, ex F39 and Arabella, now missing in space? A not that ugly, quite young skeleton with nearly the entire upper arch of the teeth missing. Anyway, even if you don't attend these clubs that much, you must have seen more whales than Jacques Cousteau.

I will take as example Venus girls because you have been recently there.

Anna, who is famous for her good service: nearly a skeleton, small hanging sucked out tits, countless stretchmarks around her hips, ass and upper legs, with massive doses of make up which can't hide (from a close inspection) a face covered by pimples, she has stains of white on her blackish body (or dark stains on her white body?).

Have I zimmered her? Yes, and more than once. Will I again? Extremely probably, at least with the current crew. Why? For a few reasons, at least in my experience: she is always smiling and cheerful, willing to please as much as she can, she never gets tired, in pain nor has any annoying problem, she doesn't mind the watch, etc.

Would I meet her outside (obviously for free) on her day off, if she asked me? Probably yes, because I take pride whenever a prostitute gives me more than she is supposed to, because I reckon much more difficult to be "chosen" and "liked" by a girl who goes with hundreds of men (and many will be younger, richer, more beautiful, etc., than me) without the scruples and doubts that our society imposes to women, than to be "chosen" or "loved" by a girl who has had a few boyfriends, who must pay attention to her choices and reputation, or maybe gives a look to my watch, my car, my income, etc.
Would I approach her if I met her on the beach, not knowing what is her job? No, because I don't like her body, and the outer aspect is the first thing anyone perceives.

Not even considering the "grandmas" Melly, Maria and Michaela BB, what are you left with? A bunch of (mostly quite young) mother girls, with falling tits and other damages from their pregnancies, and a few girls who look even too young (Andrea, Erica) or are chubby (Selina, Rebecca). If it wasn't for the AO and the all inclusive service (kisses, DATY, changing positions, etc.), even performed in such a satisfying way, you wouldn't go with them not even if it was you getting paid!

Before discovering these clubs, I was paying for quite beautiful girls, but basically only my eyes and hands were happy (no AO). In the beginning it was difficult to adjust to this low level, now I am used to it and enjoy maximally with my dick and sometimes a little bit with my "heart", but I have had to sacrify my eyes and often the hands as well. Since I cannot, and anyway I don't want to, pay a beautiful girl hundreds of euros to fuck AO and with GFE all inclusive, I manage to be happy with what I can get.

I don't visit normal clubs with stunners or beautiful girls, like you and many others normally do, so I wonder why I can "realize and admit" what I just pointed out and you can not. However what matters is one's happiness, not what others think.

Don't take it as a bad criticism, you know I highly estimate you and respect anybody's tastes, I am just replying by expressing my points of view ;-)I could have written this if I had a fraction of your literary capabilities. Very well written and very well communicated. This is exactly why I go to RTCs and not the big clubs. Thank you for posting it.

Optimist

04-22-18, 10:52

EastGoing. Perhaps my self-deprecating irony was a bit too obscure. You are 100% correct. I was not questioning your assessment (except to say that you were perhaps a bit harsh). I was just trying to indicate that perhaps my standards when it comes to optics have slipped a bit over the years as in the big clubs it is harder now to find top optics combined with top service at a correct price. Service is more important. I can go to a big club and get my fill of optics without going to a room.

After all, my favourite at Venus used to be Larissa, with the slightly wrinkled skin round her mouth, and her strange teeth. And I recently repeated many times with Alexia with the drooping breasts, and less than fit toned body. And Andrea at Freude whose eyes each look in different directions! And I used to repeat with Angie at Grimberg with the face which looked like it had met an unfortunate accident. I was very happy with all of them. I am not being rude about the girls, just trying to describe them: goodness knows how they would describe me LOL.

Cheers.

EastGoing

04-22-18, 15:00

Optimist,

A kissmark or any "better treatment" received in a club like Oase is worth much more than those received in a RTC, because they would come from a girl who, alone, would probably be worth all the RTCs put together in terms of beauty.

I want to thank you, Triptogamont, Christian G, Vito, Wanking and all those who appreciate my posts even if they don't write.

Downandup,

Neither I wanted to start any fight, I didn't mean to be any bad, I am sorry that you got that impression. However no problem.

Jimmy,

Marianna, always out of my personal experience, was an ok session in the beginning, when she arrived inF39, after you managed to make her pull out from her pussy all the tissues she had borrowed by some magicians. When she moved to Venus she was already an expert presumptuous princess who couldn't bother to pull out the doves hidden in her pussy just for me and then place them back after our session; she couldn't stay too much in the room, work too much, etc. She cut me out as well fairly quickly. For what she had become, not a great loss. As I always underline, the main problem is whether you have alternatives or not.

Back soon.

Diet Coke

04-22-18, 17:32

Arrived before 11 AM. Said 2 girls but no one in sight. A few guys sunning outside. An hour a chubby arrived. I left but pissed off because forget my lighter and cigs in robe. A waste of 2-3 hours.

Diet Coke

04-22-18, 17:37

30 entry. 30425 and 60460. Did not see much of interest. Then Antasia, who some criticize as mannish arrived. I had seen her a year or so before and she had the best sensual BBJ. Excellent BBJ as before, the best here this time. Then with condom to mission for the finish. Not many girls, some too chubby w / hangy tits. Nothing else available after an hour so called it quits.

DMD2017

04-22-18, 23:44

I think she's okay and doable. I did her without condom on my trip in March.

I still wish Alexandra and Arianna would return because they were my two favorites! Carmen is okay, but she's my 3rd favorite.

(Old Freude pic of Anastasia)

Kuni042

04-23-18, 19:27

I had two good days in March. And the past 2 times it was depressing. Like you wrote.

Arrived before 11 AM. Said 2 girls but no one in sight. A few guys sunning outside. An hour a chubby arrived. I left but pissed off because forget my lighter and cigs in robe. A waste of 2-3 hours.

Kuni042

04-23-18, 19:33

You mean Luderland Leverkusen. I guess. Can you let us know which day you went?

The best club among RTCs for your eyes, it has the best and bigger outside area. Now that nice weather is coming, it is very nice to stay out there sunbathing and relaxing, with a soft drink and possibly a girl on your lap or anyway beside you. I know that for customers going to normal clubs this might sound ridiculous, being so normal, but those who visit RTCs are used to dark caves and normally ignore whether outside it is sunny or stormy. Luderland, which in fact was previously club Globe, has a garden with grass and flowers, which helped me conquering the tender heart of a girl: I shyly went to her with a little bouquet and not even half an hour later we were making love! LOL! F39 doesn't even have a window!

Currently, optically speaking, it is the best also referred to the girls (I would say 3-4 stand well above the rest in there and also in the other RTCs), but is littered with traps: limitations, swings of service and moods, changes of offers and extra surcharges lurk on too many couches. What you might get is up to your luck, dealing skills, witts, whatever.

Both thekes, Monika and Cristina, are nice and english speaking.

Just a few names:

Selina, in these clubs since at least 4 years, she got fatter again and says she doesn't offer anal anymore;

Anita, same as above, I don't know whether she still offers it, but she's evaluating an offer from Pirelli to become their new logo, so she might not need anymore to perform;

Dana, met some 4-5 years ago for the first time in Venus, she was fat and unfuckable, now it is since last year she got quite good proportions, but on the "big side", unfortunately she trespasses my allowance of physical compatibility, a pity because she seems to be quite good in zimmer;

Layla, hungarian, she was a great kisser, but came back with 2 asses after a long absence. It seems she works abiding to the laws;

Maria, captivating smile, I counted her as the possible "4" in the above parenthesis not really for her merits but because of the other girls' demerits. Make sure to think well of what you would like to do, because things you might take for granted, specially in this environment, could be out of her service;

Oana, must have doubled up her weight since joining, her teeth frighten me, but it seems she's very sweet in the room;

Finally, a shocking news: there is a girl who disappears for some 10-15 minutes after each room even if she knows there is a line waiting for her. Ashamingly, she showers totally! She goes back to couch fresh and smelling of soap everywhere, even inside her pussy! She says that one of her colleagues does the same, I would say not always and surely not for that long and with so much care. I don't know how much that girl or habit will last!

P.S. What would the colleague of Venus I wrote about in the previous post say if she knew of this outrageous habit?

EastGoing

04-24-18, 03:30

Normally, when I finish posting, I don't read this forum until the following time I post, since I know it will be quite difficult for me to find something interesting. By mistake I read it again, so...

Kuni042:

Good guess, since the title of my post, the first word that you should have read, was "Luderland", in evidence, in bold print ;-)

I was in Luderland more than once

Please note that, as already said to you by Free Dude, Salome is not an AO club, so do not post about it here.

Diet Coke,

The above point applies also to you.

As I always write, anyone has his own taste, I said Anastasia (not Antasia) is a good room, but I don't like her face, haircut and body, even if in that old photoshopped pic she looks ok, so I simply don't go with her, but I willingly and effortlessly admit that she is a nice polite person.

60 minutes should cost 70 euros, not 60.

DMD,

I am not sure about where Arianna is at the moment, I guess in Romania, but Alexandra should be in London, and I don't really think she will miss Arabella

My next post will be a field report. Until then,

Greetings and best wishes to all.

Christian G

05-16-18, 10:14

Went there Friday afternoon around 2 pm so no happy hours, paid 30€ entry fee. 25 min-30€.

14 girls in the club, pics are still in the showcase. Limited food as usual, fruits and snacks, selfservice drink machine.

In my opinion the only girls who worth a room was: Emma, Maya, Alexia, Dana and maybe one more girl. Erika was not there.

First room with Maya Ro, 27 yo. She speak only few words of English, but no problem, she immediately start with DFK on sofa and grab my cock. Few minutes later we went in the room where she start with a great BBBJ, DT attempt and ball licking. Condom on (my choice, I don't know if the old service is available with her) and good fuck in different position with a lot of DFK.

Second room with Emma Ro, 20 yo. She is very cute and fresh for a RTC, DFK and HJ on the couch. In the room good BBBJ and excellent sex, full old service available, but she not do CIM.

Third room: Dana Ro, 26 yo. Blond girls with pornstar face and a bit chubby, some FK on the couch. In the room she provide a good BBBJ with DT attempt and ball licking, sex was mechanic and little participant, full old service available for 10€ extra, she refused CIM.

Christian G

05-16-18, 10:35

Went here Sunday morning around 11:30 am paid 15€ entry fee with Happy hours. Limited food with some sandwich and cake.

Line up with 8/10 girls, 25 min - 30€. No showcase with pics, I knew only Anastasia in the group, fucked her years ago at Romantika. Girls were very low quality but I went here only for know Carmen and her ass, so I asked the theke to show me who it is.

I sat on sofa with her, her English is very limited, shaggy boobs and a bit chubby, 23 yo she said but look older. Anyway she is very sweat girl with a lot of DFK on sofa. I whispered in her ear "anal? She smiled and nod. Well go to the zimmer.

We went in a room with armchair, love to sit on it and have the girl kneeling in front of me for BBBJ. She gave a very good one with alot of ball licking, she also let me fingering her pussy and ass.

Move on the bed and she was a little surprised when I asked for condom, old service is full available in all holes with her. I had a very good anal session fucking her nice ass doggy style, finish with CIM. Great service, and I think the anal lovers like me should try her at least once.

Finish with her, I took shower and leave the club to go to Grimberg. I was not interested in other Arabella's girls.

Christian G

05-16-18, 11:06

Arrived here around 2 pm, entry fee 30€. Line up with 9 girls (Magda, Kathy, Lily, Christina, Angie, Rebecca, Emanuela, Alina and another bulgarian girl), pics in the showcase.

First room with Alina, very slim, tiny girl with nice ass. In the room she asked if I want CBJ or BBBJ. What you think dear? BBBJ of course. She have good skills and gave me a good suck. Condom on for the sex, fucked her in 3 position: mish, cowgirl, doggy but she was too detached and mechanic with very limited FK. Took of the condom and back to oral sex, but she used her hand more than her mouth and refused CIM, so better I save my sperm, I don't want to cum with HJ.

Second room with Emanuela, she is slim with very nice body. Good service with alot of DFK, great BBBJ with ball licking and passionate sex in cowgirl and mish the only problem was that she did not want to do doggy, WTF! Finish with CIM.

Downandup

05-16-18, 21:30

Christian G,

Thanks for your report on what happens to be my top 3 selections. Were more girls pushing for condom service? It seems that I may have to ask before heading to a room.

Wanking

05-17-18, 10:14

Went here Sunday morning around 11:30 am paid 15 entry fee with Happy hours. Limited food with some sandwich and cake.

Line up with 8/10 girls, 25 min - 30. No showcase with pics, I knew only Anastasia in the group, fucked her years ago at Romantika. Girls were very low quality but I went here only for know Carmen and her ass, so I asked the theke to show me who it is.Thanks Christian for the update.

I'm over there next week and plan to hit Arabella again. I want to see the same girls again as it strengthens my memory of them when I'm home in bed alone wanking. Reduced entry is a bonus.

Also the girls there tend to be the most Tabulos Ive ever encountered, especially young Carmen..amazing.

Christian G

05-17-18, 13:37

Christian G,

Thanks for your report on what happens to be my top 3 selections. Were more girls pushing for condom service? It seems that I may have to ask before heading to a room.I not do AO, anyway all girls went for BBBJ, not need to talk about it. Only Alina at Grimberg asked if I want condom for BJ or not. Emma (Luderland) and Carmen (Arabella) are AO, Dana (Luderland) is AO for +10€ tip. I'm not sure about other girls I fucked because I did not ask and they did not offer it to me but I think you will not have problems finding what you are looking for.

EastGoing

05-18-18, 03:31

At last some info! Thanks Christian! I don't have much to add to what I wrote last month, I zimmered only 4 new girls. And 2 were in M-EX Buldern! Even among the whales and various monsters of the clubs I visited there were not new faces, actually some had even left. The main purpose of this trip was to meet... a british gentleman, but unfortunately he couldn't show up, so I nearly travelled for nothing. He keeps me travelling continuously and spending money invain in that hope, if I catch him he will have to get a whole pub for me, not only the beer he owes me since ages!

I just write an update about M-EX: the 2 romanian thekes, english speaking, are the nicest thing of the club, which should be turned into a sort of museum, not only for the important collection of monsters. Not rebuilt after world war 2, with a possible unexploded bomb underneath a little garden where hippo cubs peacefully browse undisturbed, waiting for Unesco to add it to their list, M-EX still houses 70+ year old bedside tables, materasses, linings, couches, beds (even with sharp springs, you'd better fuck mish in room 3 or perhaps it was 5), nearly everything is still like it was after the bomb dropping. I was tempted to take a photo of the couches in the garden, I even sat on one of them among flying litttle balls of dust, eventually a guy received a BJ there, but I feared I would have to pay some sort of copyrights.

Girls were 12-14, I would put them in a range between Romantika's and Grimberg's ones, the very most of them was offering a reduced /"handicapped" service, so I even had to repeat the prettiest one, evident sister (but younger and slimmer) of a legendary old glory who entered with me after loooong time, giving me a very good room and the thought of a possible return on my next trip, specially if I don't get new staff in RTCs. Worth noticing that girls I wouldn't even considered when they were in RTCs were now instead on top of the possible to-do list (also for obvious reasons).

Some lockers for wallets have been put by reception, giving you one more "bracelet" to carry apart from the one where it is written how many rooms you have prepaid (and eventually with the names of the girls), 1-4 for 40-70-90-100 euros for 20 minutes rooms, entrance 8. The keys of the dressing room lockers nearly resemble Thor's hammer, one of the 2 showers is working, you will need key for toilet door, drinks in 1,5 litres bottles are freely available as well as wi-fi, policy is 2 towels per customer, but I was gently given more on request.

All in all, it can be visited for a change.

Wanking

05-22-18, 17:01

Has Grimberg a garden??

I'm over here now. Plan to hit Arabella tomorrow and maybe Grimberg, thurs or Fri.

If it gets sunny the girls might be out in the garden.

Downandup

05-22-18, 20:12

Has Grimberg a garden??
If I recall correctly it has a deck onto a garden. I've never been there when the weather is so good that the girls will be outside.

Vito Corleone

05-23-18, 03:22

Has Grimberg a garden??

I'm over here now. Plan to hit Arabella tomorrow and maybe Grimberg, thurs or Fri.

If it gets sunny the girls might be out in the garden.Yes. There is an outside area but not exactly a garden.

Wanking

05-24-18, 11:21

Weak lineup yesterday, only two proper sexy ones, Anna and Janina, then Anastasia, Katja, Simona, an another small older blonde, and a real dog ugly rough little blonde who didn't appear to session all day. The looks of most of the girls brought me back to my partytreff days. A real disappointment looks wise and I'm not fussy, still great service.

15 euro happy hour entry from 10 to 12, then 30 entry till 8 pm and back to 15 from 8 pm to 12 am.

I arrived at 11.30 am, and had my first session with fat Katja. Her service is too restrictive, so I had stiffness issues and didn't cum.

I took 1/2 a levitra, and then went for a one hour great session with Anastasia. She was delighted when I told we could do an hour. I was impressed with her service before and love the way she kisses. Long 69, fucked miss and doggy, and finally shot a big 3 day load into her mouth. Very satisfying.

Relaxed, ordered food, had a sauna, lay out in the garden for a bit till my food arrived. Pork schnitzel in mushroom sauna, with fries, small salad, plus I ordered a kraut salad. Came to around 9 euro, gave the guy a tenner. Delicious. I can't spend 10 hours in a club without a decent meal somewhere in there.

Then I got talking to newbie Simona, she speaks decent English, and claimed to have lived in England for a couple of years. Says she has only been in Hoormany a month, and doesn't speak much German yet. She's in her 30's and only a 5 in looks. Small slim Blonde but her service was great. Really went out of her way to please. Really deep kissing, 69, several positions, went beyond the 25 minutes, could have been 35 minutes, and I came deep in her pussy. I thought she was going to hit me up for an hour but she seemed happy when I gave her the 30.

Final one was Anna, I did her before and found her service good but she was flat out all day today being one of the only 2 good looking girls there. She must have done 15 sessions before I got to her. I usually avoid really busy girls because they can be worn out in the room, but her service was top notch even if her vagenna smelt washed as washed can be. CIM after a very good wank by her at the end.

Left after 9 pm happy with my day. Total expenditure 185.

Wanking

05-26-18, 20:32

Better line up on Friday. Around 10 women.

The Sexy Ones.
Denisa,
Carmen,
Janina,
Lana who is A Tall Romanian beauty who I never seen before,
and A tall slim gypsy girl whose service was very poor.

The Fuglies.
Anastasia,
Simona,
Nicole,
A dark skinned big arse lady in her 30's with a real bad boob job,
and a small real ugly blonde who didn't appear to session.

Weather was lovely, and the garden was a bonus. I lay out on the sunbeds on a couple of a occasions. The girls popped out occasionally and to use the outdoor hut with the curtain.

Janina. Decent session with her, deepish DFK, I lay on my back and let her do all the work, nice CIM. I saw her pick her nose later and eat her snot on a couple of occasions.

Lana. Tall beautiful slim, long brown hair, models face, around 30. Amazing deep kissing on the couch. Nice 69 and she got wet, decent blow. Gave her a good missionary pump and was about to cum in her pussy but somehow my dick slipped out of her pussy and I came all over the inside of her thigh. LOL.

Long break and then Carmen, her arsehole was off the menu, but she let me lick and finger it near the end. Still a decent session and a nice wank by her and then an even better CIM. Then I had fun tickling her for a couple of minutes, she went running around the room to get away from, and she got really giggly. I enjoyed that. Saw Carmen picking her nose and eating her snot too.

Ordered in dinner, chicken pasta in mushrooms and side salad, 9 euro, very tasty.

Took a 1/2 levitra, waited a while and decided to try the tall young thin gypsy, with her heavy gold jewelry and long dark hair. Bad sign straight away, she wanted to go to the room immediately with no couch action. I should have bailed, but little head took over the decisions. All very mediocre in the room, still I gave her a bit of a pump then went soft with her shitty attitude. My worst session in all of my visits to Arabella. Maybe I should have complained.

Took a break and wanted a decent final session and a 4th cum. Was ready to go for Denisa, I like her look and find her service good. Plus I had a bit of fun flirting with her and feeling her up a couple of times along the day. Just as I was ready to sit beside her, a really old guy beat me to it.

Decided to try newbie Nicole, small 40 yearold blonde, nice tits. Face not great, but great attitude and a bit of English. A good 10 minutes of couch action, fingered her wet vagina, and she rubbed my cock really nicely, plus proper deep kissing. Fantastic in the room, pure GFE, really unrestrictive. I told her after 15 minutes I wanted to extend to the hour. She was delighted, so managed to last around 50 minutes before unloading my 4th cum into her mouth. One of my best sessions anywhere.

Left around 9 pm, totally wrecked. Original plan was to hit p3 swingers for the Friday evening party but I was just too shattered, and by 10 pm I was took up in bed in the airbnb all delighted with how well my day had gone.

Total expenditure
Entry 15
Dinner 10
4 x 25 min sessions 120
1 x 60 min session 70

Total 215 yoyos.

Wanking

06-16-18, 22:48

Problem with the water or something.

http://www.fkk-arabella.com/

All girls now in F39.

HeyyyyyyPaul

06-17-18, 10:53

Went there Friday afternoon around 2 pm so no happy hours, paid 30 entry fee. 25 min-30.

14 girls in the club, pics are still in the showcase. Limited food as usual, fruits and snacks, selfservice drink machine.

In my opinion the only girls who worth a room was: Emma, Maya, Alexia, Dana and maybe one more girl. Erika was not there.

First room with Maya Ro, 27 yo. She speak only few words of English, but no problem, she immediately start with DFK on sofa and grab my cock. Few minutes later we went in the room where she start with a great BBBJ, DT attempt and ball licking. Condom on (my choice, I don't know if the old service is available with her) and good fuck in different position with a lot of DFK.

Second room with Emma Ro, 20 yo. She is very cute and fresh for a RTC, DFK and HJ on the couch. In the room good BBBJ and excellent sex, full old service available, but she not do CIM.

Third room: Dana Ro, 26 yo. Blond girls with pornstar face and a bit chubby, some FK on the couch. In the room she provide a good BBBJ with DT attempt and ball licking, sex was mechanic and little participant, full old service available for 10 extra, she refused CIM.Very nice. Luderland definitely on the list for next trip.

Downandup

06-17-18, 11:00

Problem with the water or something.

http://www.fkk-arabella.com/

All girls now in F39.I hope it's temporary problem and does not turn out to be long term. I booked a hotel nearby as I was planning to stop by there and Grimberg a few times. Still there's Luderland to start and maybe I'll get to Romantika at last.

Triptogamont

06-18-18, 14:36

Neurosynth

06-18-18, 18:23

Looking to hit any and every RTC and AO club in NRW. The ones I know about: Laluna, Villa Venus, Freude, Arabella (assuming it reopens), Grimberg, Romantika, Villa Verena, M-Exclusiv.

Anyone know of any others? Thanks!From my notes. Grimberg and Dietzenbach are further away. La Luna is arguably not an RTC, but they do have AO and are in the area.

Grimberg Sauna.
Grimbergstrae 12,45889 Gelsenkirchen, Germany.

Sauna Club Arabella.
Lohrheidestrae 63,44866 Bochum, Germany.

FKK 40 Saunaclub Dietzenbach.
Voltastrae 4, 63128 Dietzenbach, Germany.

FKK Villa Venus.
Konrad-Adenauer-Ring 17,47167 Duisburg-Neumhl, Germany.

FKK Luderland.
Porschestrae 9, 51381 Leverkusen, Germany.

Club LaLuna.
Kautzstrae 9, 47441 Moers, Germany.

FKK Arabella.
Lohrheidestrae 63,44866 Bochum, Germany.

FKK Freude-39.
Freudenbergstrae 39,44809 Bochum, Germany.

FKK Verena.
Kressenweg 6, 44379 Dortmund, Germany.

Villa Romantika
Blitzkuhlenstraße 109, 45659 Recklinghausen

M-Exclusiv
Weselerstraße 104, 48249 Dülmen-Buldern

Triptogamont

06-18-18, 18:29

From my notes. Grimberg and Dietzenbach are further away. La Luna is arguably not an RTC, but they do have AO and are in the area.
Forgot about Luderland.

I guess I should say that RTC is not the important acronym. AO is the important acronym. If anyone knows of other locations where it is readily available, I'd appreciate it.

Wanking

06-23-18, 23:40

Problem with the water or something.

http://www.fkk-arabella.com/

All girls now in F39.According to their homepage, it doesn't mention any closure anymore.

Triptogamont

06-26-18, 18:15

Made a stop at Grimberg this morning. Arrived at 1030. GPS put me at the front door without any problems. It was MUCH easier to see the place in daylight. The parking lot was fairly full. Paid my reduced entry of 15 at the bar. Maybe 10 cards were up on the bar, only half with pictures. One picture had a name (I forget what it was) and "anal" on it. Was pretty disappointed with the lineup at first glance. Showered and came back upstairs and was pretty disappointed with the lineup at second glance, too! The layout of this place is strange with the separate rooms. I always feel like I'm missing out on something if I don't move around. Maybe the one hot girl just walked in somewhere else? The first room on the left had three girls talking to each other, just like last time. I was going to settle on one girl in there, but she got snapped up as I came back around. So I sat and had a coffee, then walked around again. Luckily, I noticed a small, cute girl in the back room. I sat down immediately. She introduced herself as Ella. She shook my hand, then stuck her tongue in my mouth and her hand inside my towel. DFK for a bit while she stroked me, then upstairs to the room. Decent BJ, but a bit toothy. Then a couple positions until K9, her fondling my balls and saying "cum, sperma" pushed me over the edge. I showered and left, knowing I probably didn't want to room with any of the rest of the girls.

Triptogamont

06-27-18, 07:00

Decided to try out Romantika last night, since it's on the list and I had never been there before. GPS was my best friend and though it got me there, this place keeps a very low profile. Just a small number on the wall outside. I parked on the street in front, then walked around the side to the gate. There's just a small buzzer with a hand written sign saying "Romantika". Buzzed and got let in. This place is pretty small. Three small rooms with couches and only six cards on the bar, only two with pictures. Paid my reduced entry of 10 since it was after 7 pm. The first floor is set up like a circle with the rooms with couches to the right of the entrance and the showers and sauna to the left. Showered and went back to the main room for a soda and to check out the merchandise. Have to say that the quality of ladies left a lot to be desired. At first, I thought I would leave without a session, but then an ok looking blond sat down on the couch next to me. Average face, ok body, but she smiled nicely at me so I figured what the hell. Sat next to her and she introduced herself at Steffi from Bulgaria. She speaks very little English and I speak very little Bulgarian or German. No problem. She's got super soft lips that are great for kissing, although the FK is on the light side. Up to the room where she gave an excellent BJ with plenty of eye contact. Switched to mish and never went anywhere else. She looked me in the eyes and gave appreciative moans the entire time. Enough for me to completely enjoy myself.

At this rate, if the lineups don't improve, I might just have to make the drive down to Dietz.

Downandup

06-27-18, 22:48

Thanks for your reports, keep them coming. I see you did a report on La Luna too, I can't see how they manage with so few girls, especially when kathi is absent. You may find the other RTC clubs better than Romantika as they will have a few more girls but the quality will be no better. Arabella and Luderland have been fair too. Therefore I'm also looking at some hobbyhuren from other sites as I stated in the AO lounge. That's a bit risky though, it's so easy to have an extra sesssion in an RTC if one goes bad, not so easy if your appointment turns into a disaster.

Triptogamont

06-28-18, 07:59

My luck improved drastically yesterday.

No happy hour at Villa Venus according to their site, so I just showed up when my schedule allowed. I've been there a couple times before, so it was easy to find again. Plenty of street parking available, and it was still light out, so no worries about car damage. Rang the bell and was buzzed in. Paid my entry of 30, showered downstairs and came back up to look around. Maybe 10 ladies working, and 4-5 in the doable range. Excellent! The bell rang many times and there were a lot of other mongers around, but grabbing the girl I wanted was never a problem.

I only sat for a couple of minutes before deciding on a very thin girl with long, curly black hair. She was sitting against the far wall away from the entrance. At first, I thought it might be Larissa, but as I got closer I knew it wasn't. Then I thought it might be Anna, but she didn't have all the tattoos. But is WAS Anna, so maybe those tattoos were fake the last time I saw her? Can't say for sure. But I CAN say that she introduced herself by sticking her tongue down my throat and her hand under my towel, so who really cares? Plenty of necking, fondling, and groping on the couch before going to the room. Plenty of BJ, BLS, and sexy smiles as soon as I lay down. Plenty of excellent cowgirl and mish with ball fondling before I couldn't take it any more. A very good session, better than the last time I saw her in December.

Cleaned up and napped on a couch for a little while before choosing Katia. She was sitting on the second couch just inside the front door. She is a VERY pretty girl. Fantastic face, nice body. One or two tattoos. Again, DFK and fondling immediately after introductions. Katia is good looking, and knows it, but in a sexy, accessible way. Upstairs to the room, where we went through a whirlwind of BJ, BLS, CG, Mish, K9. She looked me dead in the eye pretty much the entire time, giving me a sexy smile. K9 was especially enjoyable as she twerked herself back onto me, looking at me in the mirror. Little Trip just couldn't take it. He promptly vomited and went to sleep!

If I had the time (and the youth), there were a couple of other girls I would have tried on for size.

Hypothesis: Does the lack of happy hour pricing imply that they know they have hotter girls available? More research is needed.

Triptogamont

06-29-18, 23:22

Was relatively close, and it's on the list, so I made a quick stop at M-Exclusiv today. It's kind of in the middle of nowhere, behind a gas station. When I pulled up, I thought the place was entirely empty, but there's a fence that blocks your view of the parking lot. When I got behind the fence, I saw a lot of cars. I parked and rang the bell and was let in. You have to pay for your rooms up front along with your 8 Euro entrance. I opted for one room, since I was just trying this place out and the girl who let me in didn't interest me. So, 48 total. The girl at the bar was hot, and I wished she was working. She gave me a yellow wristband and a key. The chubby girl who opened the door for me showed me where the bathroom, locker room, and showers are. It's a small place. You cannot get lost. There was only one working shower and a line for it, so I took my time getting undressed. I sat on a couch in the little garden for a bit waiting for my turn. I was finally able to shower, then walked out to the room with the girls. A whopping THREE girls were available. One was the heavy set girl who let me in. Another had a decent body, but pretty severe butterface. The third was interesting. Cute, fresh, innocent looking. Nice body, nice face. We have a winner! I sat next to her and she introduced herself as Alina from Romania. She's not on their website, and I don't think the other two are on there either. She has long dark hair, VERY perky natural be cups, diamond stud in her lower lip on the right side. We kissed deeply on the couch, then went upstairs to a room. I was going to ask about her commitment to the Catholic faith, but she set her purse way across the room, too far to access in the heat of battle, so I figured I was safe. Her BJ was excellent, although there was a small amount of tooth scraping when she DT me all the way. I'm not complaining. She climbed on board for some vigorous CG. Then I flipped her to mish. She looked me in the eye, smiling, and at least pretending to enjoy herself. I didn't get out of mish because it was too good. Overall, one of the better mongering experiences I've had. Cross M-Exclusiv off the list!

Triptogamont

06-29-18, 23:34

I've been on a bit of a roll, so I figured I'd keep going with the hot hand. Looks like everyone has cancelled their reduced entries for the weekend, so I went back to Villa Venus because they were having a flat 20 Euro entry day and it was closest to me.

Got there a little after 9 PM, rang the bell, got buzzed in, paid my entry, showered, yadda yadda. I will say I used the sauna for a bit downstairs and it was nice and hot.

Back upstairs and I recognized Anna and Katia from the other day. A slightly older, thin woman with black hair caught my eye, but I wanted to sit and see who came and went first. Anna walked past me and smiled. When I got up for some soda, Katia smiled at me also. Both those girls love my Euros! But I kept going back to the older woman. So fuck it, I went over and sat down. She introduced herself as Larissa from Romania. Excellent! I thought it might be her, but I wasn't sure. And she definitely looks older than when I saw her last year. So do I, I'm sure. So do all of us! Anyway, she is very thin, pretty face, long black hair, small natural breasts. Her teeth are a bit crooked, but I'm not complaining. Serious DFK on the couch with her hand stroking me to attention. Then upstairs to a room. More DFK. Excellent BJ, BLS. Hopped on for aggressive CG. Flipped for mish. She held eye contact the entire time, except when she stretched up for DFK. Explosive finish. Outstanding service. I have to admit, I tipped a working girl for the first time since Queen V at Dietz. Partially because the first bills I grabbed were two 20's. But also because she gives damn good service.

After I showered, I went back upstairs, figuring MAYBE I'd have another shot in me. But all the girls were cleaning up, and they gave me a look that said, "Please don't sit down, so we can go home!" So I went back downstairs and got dressed. Had an interesting conversation with two guys from Holland and a German guy as we were all getting ready to leave. Everyone was surprised that the place was closing. The sign out front says they are open until 2 AM Friday and Saturday. Their website says 11 PM. It was 1010 PM as they were pretty much pushing people out the door. The same thing happened when I was here last year. My guess is, they shut down unless there are a lot of guys in the house.

Regardless, I had a great time. Let's hope my luck continues!

Optimist

06-30-18, 09:19

Hi to the official new NRW RTC correspondent for ISG, Trip.

Glad you found Larissa. I have made several visits in the last year hoping to find her again but had no luck. From the rear, top class figure in fkk land ( just my view). From the front still nice. Attentive, honest girl who somehow always gets me to finish, however tired I am. The most reliable girl I know.

Just my opinion. Other opinions are available.

Triptogamont

06-30-18, 23:48

You know how when you're on a hot streak, you're supposed to quit while you're ahead? Why doesn't anyone ever do that? I suppose if they did, casinos would be out of business. Anyway, I rolled the dice again today and came up craps.

I figured I would try out Villa Verena since it's on the list, I've never been there before, and it's closer than Luderland. So off to Dortmund I went. Found it easily with GPS. There's a tiny parking lot in front. There were three cars there already. I probably could have squeezed into the spot next to a car that was parked crookedly, but I figured I'd just take a spot on the street. Plenty were available. There are something like three doors in front, none of which are the way you get into this place. The gate and doorbell are around the right side of the building. I walked past several partially open windows and could hear Romanian music blasting. I buzzed and was let in by an average looking girl. But behind the counter was a stone cold fox. Thin, pretty face, glasses. I would have taken her to a room immediately. Unfortunately, she took my money (20 Euro), and only gave me a key instead of a blowjob and a fuck.

I had seen the lockers and showers inside the door, so I didn't have to be a newbie and ask. Got ready quickly and went out to the main room. There's really only one long room with several couches. There's another room to the right of the bar, but no one was ever in there. There's also another room sort of connected to the main room. Only guys ever sat in there.

There were maybe 6 guys lounging around. I saw maybe 8 girls working. Cards were up at the bar, but half didn't have pictures. One card was of an older woman that said she is Spanish and anal is 20 Euro extra. Room prices are displayed in a few different places. 30 for 20 minutes, 50 for 30 minutes, 70 for 60 minutes (I think). There were mostly average looking girls working. None that really caught my attention at first. Then I saw a tall, VERY thin girl. Like bird bones. Nice ass, decent face, small, perky breasts. She kept disappearing and reappearing for very short periods of time. I never did see her sit down, and wasn't able to get her to a room.

Eventually, one girl caught my eye, mostly because she kind of looks like a girl I used to work with a while ago. I figured it would make a decent fantasy. She's tall (ish), black hair, decent face, decent body, small, real breasts. When I sat next to her, she smiled, and Holy Black Teeth, Batman! But I figured I didn't have to kiss her and she still might be able to make the fantasy work. Her name is Jalena from Romania. Off to a room, and man this place is huge! You go through a corridor near the bar and there are what seems like dozens of rooms hidden back there. Anyway, the room was bleh. She gave a lackluster BJ. Jumped on for CG, flipped for mish. I liked all the mirrors in the room, so I could watch the action from lots of different angles, but she was pretty much a dead fish. I was glad to be done.

After a shower, I went back to the main room to see if any other girls showed up. Two of the girls danced in the middle of the room with a couple of guys.

There was a very pretty bleached blond that I figured would do. I waited a bit to see if the really thin girl would come back. She walked into the room and was immediately grabbed by a guy before she sat down or even came near me. So I picked the blond. She introduced herself as Patrizia from Romania. Very nice body, decent face. Kissed nicely on the couch. Great, off to a room. This time we went through a different door behind the main room. Another warren of rooms back there! This place is much bigger than it seems! Nice BJ and BLS. I pushed her onto her back and got ready to make the plunge. When suddenly, she pulled out some sort of latex device. WTF? I haven't seen one of those in ages! Little Trip squealed in terror! I asked about Catholicism, but she said no. Man, I guess I've been so spoiled by the RTC ladies that I forgot to ask on the couch! On with the straight-jacket. Little Trip hated it. I hated it. She did her best, but it just wasn't going to happen, especially after a long day and this being my second room in about an hour. Little Trip was so traumatized, it took her a while to wake him back up with a BJ / HJ combo.

Afterward, I took another shower, got dressed, and left. The girl behind the bar showed me out. Man, I wish she was working!

So the best thing I can say about Villa Verena is that I can now cross it off my list.

Vito Corleone

07-01-18, 01:39

Then I saw a tall, VERY thin girl. Like bird bones. Nice ass, decent face, small, perky breasts. She kept disappearing and reappearing for very short periods of time. I never did see her sit down, and wasn't able to get her to a room.

I waited a bit to see if the really thin girl would come back. She walked into the room and was immediately grabbed by a guy before she sat down or even came near me.Her name is Bella. She has a smoking hot body (I prefer tall & thin) & can be extremely moody. Can be very difficult & childish, but once you slide in her & splash around in her tight buttery * all the trouble & patience is totally worth it.

She also always tries to use a raincoat, but I always stand my ground & she gives in every time. Arabella, F39 for 3-4 months & recently moved to Verena.

Always ask about the Catholic stuff before you commit to a room.

Christian G

07-01-18, 09:09

she is Spanish and anal is 20 Euro extra.This is bad, RTC clubs have always been all inclusive without extra.

Room prices are displayed in a few different places. 30 for 20 minutes, 50 for 30 minutes, 70 for 60 minutes.Now, with 30€ only 20 min?

Free Dude

07-01-18, 13:55

This is bad, RTC clubs have always been all inclusive without extra.

Now, with 30 only 20 min?In most of the RTCs the current price setting is:

25 min for 30 E.

40 min for 50 E.

60 min for 70 E.

Triptogamont

07-01-18, 18:34

Her name is Bella. She has a smoking hot body (I prefer tall & thin) & can be extremely moody. Can be very difficult & childish, but once you slide in her & splash around in her tight buttery * all the trouble & patience is totally worth it.

She also always tries to use a raincoat, but I always stand my ground & she gives in every time. Arabella, F39 for 3-4 months & recently moved to Verena.

Always ask about the Catholic stuff before you commit to a room.I would definitely like to take Bella to a room. Too bad she just wasn't available while I was there.

I know better than to NOT ask on the couch. For some reason, I stopped asking, and the girls never asked either up until then, so I guess I started taking it for granted. Never again!

Triptogamont

07-01-18, 18:35

Free Dude and Christian G.

Apologies, I probably got the times wrong.

Triptogamont

07-01-18, 22:43

According to my records, Luderland was the last RTC I had never been to. Cross it off the list!

Got there easily via GPS. Slight hesitation as the gates say Globe in giant letters. There were 5-6 cars parked, but plenty of room for mine. Paid my 20 entry, was handed towels by a very average looking girl. Nine cards on the bar, all with pictures, but I can never map names to faces to pictures at these places unless I've been a few times. Saw the sign for Duchen, so I just walked around the bar and down the hallway to the lockers. Got ready and went back to the main room. The place is pretty small. Three small sitting areas connected to each other, and it can be difficult to see from one to another. I kept getting up and looking around to check out the merchandise. Eventually, I saw three possibilities, but the first available was Lori. She's average height, nice body, ok face. Black hair tied up in a bun. A few tattoos, but the line of butterflies down her back was fake. I sat next to her and we chatted for a few minutes. She gave nice kisses, but before we got too far, I asked about her dedication to Catholicism. Lesson learned! She said she was very Catholic, so off to the room where she gave very good service. Enthusiastic BJ. Enthusiastic FS. Enthusiastic finish (on my part).

There were two other girls who looked good to me. One reminded me a bit of Alicia Silverstone. If she hadn't already been sitting with a guy when I got out of the shower, I would have picked her. Another girl was monopolized the whole time by an old guy who sat next to her, but I don't know if he ever took her to a room.

Overall, Luderland was a decent place. Three out of nine girls in the do-able range (according to Little Trip).

Vito Corleone

07-14-18, 01:52

Seems like the locals are not happy outsiders are banging their favorite girls AO. 2 of the hottest chicks told me only do it with. Alexandra & Rebecca. I've been creaming in Alexandra for years & now only with. She was busy non stop & there's no reason for it unless she's still getting creamed.

Rebecca was cream pie city when I banged her beg of May at f39. Now she's covered including BJ. Something was going on between the locals & the 2 chicks I wanted. Whatever!

My first reaction was to take out every local who was smirking at me but after I calmed down, I just left. This would never happen if Barbara was in charge.

Anyway, there's plenty of other options. I had a great time at luderland & Venus.

Downandup

07-14-18, 14:23

Vito Corleone

07-15-18, 00:39

This is not good news, Arabella was going to be my main stopping point but if the girls will only do covered then I'm off elsewhere. Are any other RTC's like this?Not all the girls. Just the 2 I was interested in. Only Alexandra & Rebecca.

Jimmy Boy 99

07-16-18, 18:32

Having tired of the regular FKKs, and based on recent trip reports and conversations with recent visitors, went to Venus. Arrived there about 2:45 PM Monday. No pictures on desk. Counted about 10 women: half varying degrees of unattractive wide load asses, three OK faces but saggy to mommy tits, and one big-nosed, very thin and petite, [CodeWord910] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord910) special. Spent two hours trying to convince myself to fuck one of them but to no avail, so 30 Euro's wasted. Unless you can fuck old, fat, unattractive, saggy tits women, or have [CodeWord910] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord910) tendencies, don't waste you money here.

ExpatLover

07-16-18, 19:36

Always the same story, stick on the big clubs even there the LU are so strongly going down due to the negative impact of the new law of July 2017.

Jimmy Boy 99

07-17-18, 11:37

Sirioja

07-18-18, 20:27

Optimist

07-18-18, 23:10

Same like at Dietzenbach, why do you want pretty girls take health risks for only 30? Pretty girls can make good business with safe sex, and sometimes your manners and skill make one becoming really passionate for fluent sex.

AO clubs just worth to have AO sex, not to find beauties.I understand the point you are trying to make. I would add that if one sees the girls as people and not objects of "beauty" there are some lovely girls working in these clubs. I like some of these girls very much. I would rather go to a room and talk to them than go with some of the arrogant beauties at Sharks.

Jimmy Boy 99

07-19-18, 09:18

Snip. The days of finding women like Marianne and Jasmin (both formerly at Venus) at AO clubs seem to be over. There is a reason the women at AO clubs work there: nobody would pay to fuck them anywhere else.A visit to Mondial on Tuesday refreshed my memory. Based on some of the women who were there, I was too harsh on the AO women; most of them could work at Turkish clientele clubs.

HeyyyyyyPaul

07-19-18, 09:27

DMD2017

07-20-18, 16:24

Not all the girls. Just the 2 I was interested in. Only Alexandra & Rebecca.I hope it's only a temporary thing because I plan to visit in September.

I remember about a long while back, Alexandra and Arianna were both covered and then Arianna wasn't the next week. Alexandra followed. Then a few months ago, Arianna was covered but Alexandra wasn't, so most of the business was with her! Then they both disappeared. I'm glad Alexandra's back, but if she's covered, I'll probably skip her and go with Carmen. I'll ask her first, of course!

ExpatLover

07-20-18, 17:55

After the wasted time and money at Venus, went to my hotel until I left for Freude in time for their 15 Euro happy hour starting at 8 PM, figuring at most I would waste another 15 Euros. I was correct: another 15 Euros wasted. 14 cards on the desk, only half with photos. The usual fat ass, big belly, saggy tits, unattractive face women. Two were decent: a blonde with a good body but a face I didn't like, and a brunette with an OK face but way too skinny for me. Hung around for a few hours but couldn't get motivated to do any of them, so left.

The days of finding women like Marianne and Jasmin (both formerly at Venus) at AO clubs seem to be over. There is a reason the women at AO clubs work there: nobody would pay to fuck them anywhere else.The really beautiful and clever girls are not in a club, they have a rich sugar daddy taking care of them, second level they do real escort in 4 or 5 stars hotel like many german girls do, third at the same level they work in apartment for 50 to 100 euro for 30 minutes depends on the country and cities, 4 they are in FKK clubs getting fucked 10 to 20 or more times every day, and so on going to brothel in the RLD and may be finishing on the road which is probably the lowest level.

Maxime

07-21-18, 13:12

I understand the point you are trying to make. I would add that if one sees the girls as people and not objects of "beauty" there are some lovely girls working in these clubs. I like some of these girls very much. I would rather go to a room and talk to them than go with some of the arrogant beauties at Sharks.+1 Totally Agree.

Vito Corleone

07-22-18, 04:27

I hope it's only a temporary thing because I plan to visit in September.

I remember about a long while back, Alexandra and Arianna were both covered and then Arianna wasn't the next week. Alexandra followed. Then a few months ago, Arianna was covered but Alexandra wasn't, so most of the business was with her! Then they both disappeared. I'm glad Alexandra's back, but if she's covered, I'll probably skip her and go with Carmen. I'll ask her first, of course!Seems like Rebecca returned to f39.

I remember Alexandra was covered only when she fret started. Not busy at all. When she returned from vacation was cream pie & busy non stop. Still is constantly busy!

Ariana (whatever the spelling) was cream pie till July 1st 2017. Very busy before July, very lonely after July. Zero clients so she moved on.

Kuni042

08-04-18, 01:23

I have dared to visit Freude 39 on hot evening Wednesday Aug 1st. The E15 entrance fee was very moderate. But they only service some cake, bifi and eggs. So you can stuff yourself, but it cannot be called a decent meal. But what else would one expect for 15 e?

The bad news: LU was very poor. The good news: Jessi 29, blond, Bulgaria was a good choice for me. Nice HJ, big tits (the one is Dcup natural, the other is DD-cup).

The other bad news: the much hyped big-titted Eva turned out to be a bummer her DDcup boobies sagged almost to her knees. Ugly.

No recommendation here. Or if you like boobs, go to Jessi- but here boobs are bit soft.

Kuni042

08-04-18, 01:27

Paid 30 e fee. Had two ok rooms with 2 germans: Manuela and Linda. Otherwise a boring line-up. The typical romanian, bulgarian mix. No wow. Also the germans were not really wow.

Finished in Dortmund at the RLD, which at least has a few not shabby-looking D/DDcup-ladies.

Yeah I know. I am boob-guy or love the germans.

Sirioja

08-05-18, 07:30

Downandup

08-13-18, 21:38

I stopped by around on a Monday around 20:15 to check it out. There were only three girls there and fortunately one was the famous Kathi as the other two were not that nice. Kathi is still amazing, she is so sweet and the time she has been working there has not changed her. She is the only reason to visit.

Downandup

08-13-18, 21:50

I made two stops here over my trip. Nothing has really changed although you don't see anyone getting a blow job in public anymore. On a Tuesday 31/7 there was a fair lineup but between my sessions, some of the girls dissappeared for a couple of hours, I later discovered that they had left the club for a break of some sort even though there were plenty of customers.

A week later I visited on a Wednesday. Sadly the lineup was a lot poorer so I only did one session which was a repeat of the previous week.

Downandup

08-13-18, 21:57

The lineup at Grimberg was not too bad, I did not stay long as I had a long drive ahead so only did the one session, I did not think that the lineup was quite as good as Arabella but there was a few I would have done.

Downandup

08-13-18, 22:10

I've not much to add here, Tuesday was a good day to visit, a nice selection of girls and a pretty good time.

One thing that I should mention, looks wise only the prettiest girls in an RTC could work at an FKK but generally service was better than at the FKK's.

HeyyyyyyPaul

08-17-18, 20:48

Impressions of my recent trip.

_Luder_.

Lineup level 7/10.

This place still has the "Globe" name and branding all over it.

Easily the best lineup of the rtc clubs that I've been to. Most were fuckable.

Went with blonde Sara Ro. 10 years ago would be one of the prettier girls at sharks.

Very good action on the couch (DFK, nipple licking, etc) portends to a solid session in the room w / o complaints.

Lacking passion, but solid session nonetheless.

_VV_.

Lineup level 6/10.

The usual lineup. The thing about this place is the disciplined approach to sex that I love. It begs the question "What if we could have white girl looks with asian girl submissiveness. ".

Took the girl that was by the door. The most diligent with the amount of work she was doing and probably not the prettiest, was attractive in those regards. Submissive and enjoyable fuck. Very satisfying.

Old Fritz

08-20-18, 22:13

Have visited FKK Arabella 4 or 5 times in 2016.

May I get there the same great full experience if I would go there now again? Thanks for the feedback!

Optimist

08-21-18, 11:50

Have visited FKK Arabella 4 or 5 times in 2016.

May I get there the same great full experience if I would go there now again? Thanks for the feedback!Pretty much yes. But almost nothing in public now.

Lineup wise of course it varies

Triptogamont

08-21-18, 18:08

Pretty much yes. But almost nothing in public now.

Lineup wise of course it variesYeah, it happens very rarely these days. And always with legal activities.

Downandup

08-21-18, 19:01

Have visited FKK Arabella 4 or 5 times in 2016.

May I get there the same great full experience if I would go there now again? Thanks for the feedback!I made a few visits when on holiday two weeks ago, service is the same as ever in the rooms, I did not see any public action whilst I was there.

Wanking

09-06-18, 21:14

Can't seem to find it anywhere. Has it been changed to a. Sex?

Want to find out if there is happy hour reduction for entry?

Whorist

09-06-18, 21:49

Can't seem to find it anywhere. Has it been changed to a. Sex?

Want to find out if there is happy hour reduction for entry?Yes it has.

That goes for all RTC clubs.

http://www.grimbergsauna.sex/

Optimist

09-17-18, 09:40

A few days ago there was a razzia at Arabella. The authorities were I understand looking for a particular manager for a couple of girls, presumably working on a tip off. Unusually the clients and workers were kept on the premises until past closing time. I always try to avoid going to clubs in the few hours before a flight for this very reason.

Varenne

09-17-18, 11:38

A few days ago there was a razzia at Arabella.Probably related to a knifing just outside the club, last Friday evening:

https://www.waz.de/staedte/bochum/messerstecherei-vor-bordell-ein-schwerstverletzter-id215334965.html
https://www.bild.de/regional/ruhrgebiet/bordell/messerstecherei-vor-bordell-57271786.bild.html

Optimist

09-17-18, 20:55

Thanks Varenne. Yes, that squares with what I was told.

DMD2017

09-18-18, 22:27

I was just there yesterday (Monday)!

None of the girls told me anything!

I met Alexandra at 11:00 am, only minutes before she left for the day.

Line up was 9 girls-.

Alexandra (left), Janina, Carmen, Anna, Sabrina, Suzanna, and 3 other girls I didn't care about because they were old looking.

No happy hour, 30€ Entry.

DMD2017

09-19-18, 15:02

Happy to say Alexandra is back to excellent service!

I left with a kiss and a smile!

About 10 girls today.

DMD2017

09-20-18, 21:24

Romantika is closed!

I went there at 10:05 am and no one was there!

No cars, the mail hasn't been collected in the front, and the yard smelled like [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109).

I drove by at 11:10 am, and still no one there!

ExpatLover

09-20-18, 22:06

I went there at 10:05 am and no one was there!

No cars, the mail hasn't been collected in the front, and the yard smelled like.

I drove by at 11:10 am, and still no one there!

May be summer holidays.

Kuni042

09-22-18, 17:52

Neurosynth

09-22-18, 18:14

I know, it may sound harsh, but I take it as good news for every club that closes. There were far too many of them!! I am big fan of choice, and I hate paying 30 e entrance to just get to see 10-15 low performers, and maybe one stunner, that only gets out of the room to take a leak or to get some food.

Think about it. Still easily 10 clubs (Arabella, Salome, Luderlounge, Neby, Grimberg, Freude 39, etc etc,) all within a 20 mile radius. NRW only needs 5-7 big, awesome clubs.Yes, but Arabella, Grimberg, and Fruede 39 (with some exceptions) offer RTC standard services, as did Romantika. But Salome, Luderlounge, and Neby (mostly) do not. Correct?

Also, in general, fewer choices for consumers creates upward pressure on prices.

Kuni042

09-22-18, 18:16

I had a really good time in Salome. Food was decent. About 35 girls in the club. My estimate. Theke was imo exaggerating with 45. But nevertheless I had 2 great rooms:

A) German Celine. She is half-german, half-arabic. 23 yrs old, very good looking, very sensitive. But doesn't do BBBJ nor DFK. Still she has my recommendation.

B) Anastesia or Antonian. She is a real boob-beauty with very good looking the. Cups. I went only in the room with her because of that. It was amazing.

Optimist

09-22-18, 18:17

Kuni. Why do you want to deprive the visitors to these small clubs of their enjoyment?. You say NRW needs only 5 to 7 awesome big clubs. The locals who go to their neighbourhood club would vehemently disagree with you. Just because you don't like the clubs covered by this thread doesn't mean they need to close. But I can see they are not to everybody's taste: not exactly upmarket

BTW. I am posting in the Acapulco thread that it needs to close as there are low performers and maybe one stunner. ;)

Kuni042

09-23-18, 16:01

It may just be me, but I am just very much a big fan of wide selection. If I go in a club, I maybe like to have 3-4 rooms. 1-2 with natural boob girls, 1 with a german lady that can cater my verbal tick, and then maybe 1 high-performer that can finish me off. And maybe even the option of a repeat.

I would seriously consider having one club, where I go more often, than roving between clubs, to hunt down the ladies I like.

Kuni. Why do you want to deprive the visitors to these small clubs of their enjoyment?. You say NRW needs only 5 to 7 awesome big clubs. The locals who go to their neighbourhood club would vehemently disagree with you. Just because you don't like the clubs covered by this thread doesn't mean they need to close. But I can see they are not to everybody's taste: not exactly upmarket

BTW. I am posting in the Acapulco thread that it needs to close as there are low performers and maybe one stunner. ;)

Optimist

09-23-18, 16:13

Kuni. Your strategy makes excellent sense. Finding a club that suits and staying there often yields good results.

Kuni042

09-23-18, 16:29

Which Acapulco? I was just looking at both: Velbert and gold and coulndt find anything. Acapulco Velbert had some good reviews in a local board (freiercafe) - but not so good ones here at ISG. So this is a bit irritating.

...
BTW. I am posting in the Acapulco thread that it needs to close as there are low performers and maybe one stunner. ;)

Optimist

09-23-18, 16:47

Which Acapulco? I was just looking at both: Velbert and gold and coulndt find anything. Acapulco Velbert had some good reviews in a local board (freiercafe) - but not so good ones here at ISG. So this is a bit irritating.Sorry. I was just being ironic. I would never post like that as everybody has different tastes. In fact, I quite like Acapulco Gold. Acapulco not my taste service wise. Again sorry to send you on wild goose chase.

BigBuddy69

09-23-18, 17:37

The average looks are Aca Velbert are better and the average service is worse than in Aca Gold. But there are far more girls in Velbert so you still have a chance to find a girl you'll like. The ambiance in Aca Gold is (a little) more relaxed than in the big Acapulco Velbert but it's still depressing if you stay a long time and since it's smaller, you tend to have the feeling that every girl looks at you wondering why you don't fuck if you stay longer waiting for the good one, and some of them can be a little pushy. The no approach rule is not so strict than in Velbert.

Universo Fkk

09-23-18, 19:30

May I ask which are girls' prices in this FKK? The usual € 50 for half an hour, and €25 for extra like CIM?

And about the food: I read something about that, but I did non understand exactly. What is there to eat? And there is always something available?

Thank you so much in advance!

Downandup

09-24-18, 19:38

May I ask which are girls' prices in this FKK? The usual 50 for half an hour, and 25 for extra like CIM?

And about the food: I read something about that, but I did non understand exactly. What is there to eat? And there is always something available?

Thank you so much in advance!It's basically the same as the rest of the RTC "chain", €30 for entrance and the same per session if I remember correctly but def not €50. €30 is also full service, if the girl is willing then you can have anal and pay no extra, the same with CIM. At that price there's no food available other than a little fruit and biscuits. Read a little more here as there's lots more to learn.

CpHowdy

09-25-18, 02:43

I have been to a number of the FKK's in the Frankfurt area but would like to check out the NRW clubs. I will probably have 3 days in early November to hit NRW and am wondering where is the best area / hotel to stay in. I will rent a car to get around but want to hit the best of the AO clubs in the area.

Where is a good place to stay to make it easy to hit the best clubs?

Which would be the must see clubs? I was thinking of staying in Bochum as Arabella and F39 are right there and it seems like it is pretty central to some other clubs as well.

Thoughts?

Optimist

09-25-18, 11:46

Christian G

09-25-18, 17:32

ExpatLover

09-25-18, 20:57

Usel1

09-25-18, 22:05

I'm still nostalgic of lovely old times, public action, the picture (even if awful) on the desk, the (few) sandwich, and the system of pay 60 for entrance having 1 shot included.

Nowadays crisis hits and beg for a sandwich and not so many stunning ladies.

Anyway the fun in the room is still the same as well as the number of "Madchen".

I was with companions and this report is a summary of all our experience.

Present:

1. Monica (Bulgarian) always kind and pretty.

2. Kati could give better performance; should to forget make completion with colleagues.

3. Alisia if she doesn't change her mind is a great deep-throater.

4. Evelin new and welcome.

5. Larissa slim & long dark hair; nice, kind and lovely.

6. Micaela (BB) always a bet to play her in trio.

7. Samira (Bulgarian) nice, kind.

8. Jasmine the surprice; the realized to be not choosy as she sounded.

9. small golden tooth Bulgarian not played.

10. Melly (Bulgarian MILF) not played.

11. Ina (baby done) for sure better when not Mama.

12. Erika great confirmation.

Erika definitely the most wanted; a guy has been waiting for her before and after her meal and digestion.

We all later understood way; her pretty face is not super smooth but she has a great attitude supported by slim and nervous body!

Definitely customer care oriented!

I had a great time in trio with Jasmine which played twerking; just actress for the short time heaven they give you!

Evelin (Evelyn?) a little overshaped especially her belly but not fat; she is a beginner needing to improve but she doesn't miss goodwill at all: very pretty and available with me!!

Micaela BB not found so disposed for playing with the passion she could show but always a good shot!

Finally, hope to be back soon at VV!!

CpHowdy

09-26-18, 02:03

CpHowdy. Bochum is good centre. Be aware though that there are no stylish clubs there, only tatty redcarpet clubs, with dingy decoration and no food. Traffic in the conurbation is appalling during rush hours so you need to time your visits round this.

You mention AO. Remember that AO is illegal for you as a customer and if you ask the Theke about it or try to do it in public you will get thrown out.

Also, remember these clubs are very local customer orientated. A few words of German will help get better treatment.

Good luck.Thanks for the info. I am aware the clubs are more on the dingy side and AO is not spoken about. I have been to Dietzenbach so am familiar with how it all works. Any specific clubs you would say are the best to hit? I don't speak any German, is that an issue there? I was not an issue in Dietz.

Thanks!

Kuni042

09-27-18, 21:13

If you don't need AO, and you go on a Friday or sat eve, then I think Salome is currently a good choice. Quite a few upscale girls. The price of 40 e / 30 min is very reasonable. And you can always negotiate to pay 20 more for whatever you might like.

Thanks for the info. I am aware the clubs are more on the dingy side and AO is not spoken about. I have been to Dietzenbach so am familiar with how it all works. Any specific clubs you would say are the best to hit? I don't speak any German, is that an issue there? I was not an issue in Dietz.

Thanks!

BigBuddy69

09-27-18, 22:13

I'm curious about what you say about Salome. A few years ago it was the sister club of the freude 39 (before it turned into a rtc) and it was 50 for 30 minutes. Now it's 40 for 30 ?

ExpatLover

09-28-18, 07:32

Thanks for the info. I am aware the clubs are more on the dingy side and AO is not spoken about. I have been to Dietzenbach so am familiar with how it all works. Any specific clubs you would say are the best to hit? I don't speak any German, is that an issue there? I was not an issue in Dietz.

Thanks!If you don{t speak German better to stay on the safe side by visiting the big clubs, never forget even it is legal in Germany, most of the places are owned by mafia guys, or motorcycles gangs, the goal is to suck as much cash from you. The girls are just prostitutes also willing to suck as much cash as possible from you, they don t care about you, even they will not remember you, one after one. Most of the girls are not able to do more in their life than to open their legs and mouth to any guys willing to pay, usually after several years in the job they are mentally affected.

Optimist

09-28-18, 09:46

Thanks for the info. I am aware the clubs are more on the dingy side and AO is not spoken about. I have been to Dietzenbach so am familiar with how it all works. Any specific clubs you would say are the best to hit? I don't speak any German, is that an issue there? I was not an issue in Dietz.

Thanks!If you have been to Dietzenbach you are fully prepared. The NRW clubs are really interchangeable and lineups improve and decline quickly. Freude is a good place to start as lineup is larger and Arabella and Grimberg are not far away. Do not go to Villa Venus by car at night: car breakins continue.

German not essential. Most guys and girls speak some English. A few words will do no harm

Varenne

09-28-18, 10:44

I'm curious about what you say about Salome. A few years ago it was the sister club of the freude 39 (before it turned into a rtc)I wouldn't speak about "sister club", maybe rather a more distant relative, just related on ownership. Back in late 2013, Freude 39 site was closed, whatever the reason. For some time Freude 39 was kind of hosted at Salome location (renamed Freude 39 Herne) Both teams were working in the same club, but basically in shifts. Daytime the F39 girls where there, to meet their usual german clientele, at a price 50€ for 30 minutes. The Salome girls, appealing to the turkish clientele, started to appear later on. I remember that at 20:00 there was a drop in admission fee. At the same time started an option for a shortened girl service at a reduced price. And you bet that exactly at 20:00 the F39 girls used to flee en bloc, deliberately giving ground to Salome girls and the turkish guests. Eventually even Freude 39 Herne closed altogether, and the F39 girls either dispersed or retired. Later on, the site in Herne reopened as Salome again, and the site in Bochum reopened with a new concept (RTC club, back to the roots).

Kuni042

09-28-18, 17:59

Yes. But the 40 e don't buy you any sort of extras (like DFK or BBBJ), at least not with the top WGs. I go tonite again, because it is just nicely en route to Duisburg / GT / Oceans / Cologne etc. I can report soon.

I'm curious about what you say about Salome. A few years ago it was the sister club of the freude 39 (before it turned into a rtc) and it was 50 for 30 minutes. Now it's 40 for 30 ?.

ExpatLover

09-28-18, 18:58

If you have been to Dietzenbach you are fully prepared. The NRW clubs are really interchangeable and lineups improve and decline quickly. Freude is a good place to start as lineup is larger and Arabella and Grimberg are not far away. Do not go to Villa Venus by car at night: car breakins continue.

German not essential. Most guys and girls speak some English. A few words will do no harmI will never understand why serious and senior mongers will not definitively stop the new guys to try AO, it is just crazy and so dangerous for the health, AO is only for stable relation not with prostitutes getting fucked 20 times a day by guys coming from everywhere.

CpHowdy

09-29-18, 12:11

If you have been to Dietzenbach you are fully prepared. The NRW clubs are really interchangeable and lineups improve and decline quickly. Freude is a good place to start as lineup is larger and Arabella and Grimberg are not far away. Do not go to Villa Venus by car at night: car breakins continue.

German not essential. Most guys and girls speak some English. A few words will do no harmThanks, I was planning Freude as my first stop but I will hit as many as I can. Thanks for the warning on VV as it is on my list but I will keep to day trips then.

Kuni042

09-29-18, 17:15

Given my positive experience, one week before, I tried again. But I was hugely frustrated. LU was imo quite poor. There was an interesting delegation from Ukraine (4 ladies). I tried 2 of them. But it didn't work for me. Their german was not good, and they appeared both cold. None of my previous WG was there. My BL: Lots of nomads, it is very hit or miss. The standard crew is too boring for me.

Yes. But the 40 e don't buy you any sort of extras (like DFK or BBBJ), at least not with the top WGs. I go tonite again, because it is just nicely en route to Duisburg / GT / Oceans / Cologne etc. I can report soon.

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Wanking

09-30-18, 11:49

This is my first report using Google voice typing.

I was in Arabella about 3 weeks ago on the first day of my trip. I had a touch of gout which put a downer on the whole trip, still at least my dick was working well.

Only 8 girls present that day. First up for me was Sabrina, I found her service to be too rushed. She made me come within 15 minutes. We agreed on cum in the mouth but she didn't in the end, and I ended up cuming on my belly.

Next up was Cami, a new Young slim blonde, lovely face and body apart from a bit of acne on her back. Service was amateur and very enjoyable. She got really giggly when I licked her brown hole. She had strong bad breath though, a combination of smoking, bad teeth and Cocks I suspect. Still I've been thinking about her a lot since and I would love a repeat in the future.

Next was old Bulgarian curly-haired brunette Jessie, although I think she was called something else before. I guess she is mid forties but I do love her big saggy tits. Her service was very solid and I had a lovely intimate session with memorable missionary position and deep french kissing, followed by a lovely deep cum in the mouth. I'm sure we went over the 25 minute Mark but still she only charged me 30.

My final session and fourth cum of the day was with lesbian looking Anastasia. She is a lovely submissive girl who kisses really deeply, and her service is very GFE. I had been thinking about taking her for one hour but in the end she made me come in her mouth within the 25 minutes, so I was glad to save the 40 yo-yos..

Of course if you say to a girl that you are going to take her for the hour when starting the session you can't go back on it. This time I didn't mention anything about the length of the session to Anastasia and just finished within the time. I think sessions over 25 minutes are rare in Arabella.

So I had four sessions and four Cums. Pretty satisfying really.

Also great to meet Buttlover from the good forum here. He put on several highly charged live sex shows throughout the day which you are allowed to do as long as you use condom's for suck and fuck and don't perform DATY.

Wanking

09-30-18, 13:03

Day 3.

Having cum 6 times in the previous 2 days I wasn't feeling horny at all, and as I was planning visiting P3 swingers that night I wanted to fill my sack along the day.

Although I decided to visit Grimberg mainly because of the low entry price 15 before 1 pm . I was here more for a way of killing sometime and relaxing for the afternoon.

I think it feels like the most traditional of the red carpet clubs I've been to yet. A mish mash of connected rooms a bit like Arabella. There were eight girls present and only one I recognised from Freud last year, Bulgarian Jessie, a small big tit blonde with a cheeky face in her thirties. I've banged her several times in Fruede and always found her service rushed, so I didn't repeat here.

Also there were 2 big tit voluptuous brunettes sitting in the room to the left of the counter. They look like sisters and according to the pictures in the cabinet one of them does anal. They seemed to keep to themselves and not mix with the other girls.

There were 2 Young very slim girls hanging out together. They both barely looked 18, one was absolutely tiny with a big mop of long black hair. The other was taller and had a pretty model type face and light brown hair, she seems incredibly popular with all the guys. Both these girls would not be my type, too young and too skinny.

I went for a session with a curvy Bulgarian brunette who was hanging out with Jessie. Service was good but I just wasn't feeling too horny and didn't cum despite good wood. I would gladly repeat with that girl in the future. Like most Bulgarian girls she had no English.

I went for a sauna in the tiny little very hot sauna in the basement and got talking to a local Guy for a while. He emphasised the importance of finding girls who have good sympathy, something I've heard many times in the past from other German guys. Then I had some lunch consisting of pasta soup which was surprisingly tasty, and a couple of cold meat sandwiches.

I left after about 3 hours there, first time I think I have ever been in an FKK and not shooten my load!! Although I did cum once in the swingers later that night..

I look forward to repeating Grimberg when I have a nice full sack. Club is located in a nice area near the zoo and there is an American style Diner next door.

ExpatLover

09-30-18, 19:23

CpHowdy

10-01-18, 19:36

Wanking

10-02-18, 10:40

I was wondering about the details for the P3 swingers club. Is there a site I can check out or a descriptive review? It am thinking it is probably similar to The Phoenix Club in London where there are a handful of girls available and you can do as many as you like for the one price of admission. Is that similar to P3? Also, where is it located?In P3 it's just pot luck with the local swinger MILFs that turn up.

Reports here.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3170-Other-Swinger-Clubs

Neurosynth

10-02-18, 23:09

It am thinking it is probably similar to The Phoenix Club in London where there are a handful of girls available and you can do as many as you like for the one price of admission. A club exactly like the Phoenix Club would be illegal in Germany. The closest thing are German clubs with a "party"-like setting, but you get tokens in exchange for your entrance fee, and pay for sessions with the tokens.

Varenne

10-03-18, 11:11

A club exactly like the Phoenix Club would be illegal in Germany. The closest thing are German clubs with a "party"-like setting, but you get tokens in exchange for your entrance fee, and pay for sessions with the tokens.I don't know about Phoenix Club, but "new" german law doesn't explicitely make flat-rate clubs illegal. While it's true that most flat-rate clubs have either closed or shifted to a token system, there are still some which don't mention tokens on their websites.

For example:

http://airport-girls.eu/

https://www.anni-porsche.de/

http://www.partytreff-pulheim.de

https://partytreff-bremen.de

http://www.saunabynight.de/ (Mega-Sandwich-Variante).

http://lovefucktory.de

http://www.erlebniswohnung.com

I set up a map of club with party-like settings, separating those declaring using the token system:

http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/low-cost-brothels-map-germany_252879#6/51.863/9. 712.

I wondered if interpretations of the law differ locally, but I fail to see a pattern.

SvenFKK

10-03-18, 13:17

I don't know about Phoenix Club, but "new" german law doesn't explicitely make flat-rate clubs illegal. The law is pretty clear that they are now illegal. I don't know about those you claim are not. Perhaps there are more details when you actually enter, perhaps they are or claim to be swingers clubs, etc.

ExpatLover

10-03-18, 19:26

I don't know about Phoenix Club, but "new" german law doesn't explicitely make flat-rate clubs illegal. While it's true that most flat-rate clubs have either closed or shifted to a token system, there are still some which don't mention tokens on their websites.

For example:

http://airport-girls.eu/

https://www.anni-porsche.de/

http://www.partytreff-pulheim.de

https://partytreff-bremen.de

http://www.saunabynight.de/ (Mega-Sandwich-Variante).

http://lovefucktory.de

http://www.erlebniswohnung.com

I set up a map of club with party-like settings, separating those declaring using the token system:

http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/low-cost-brothels-map-germany_252879#6/51.863/9. 712.

I wondered if interpretations of the law differ locally, but I fail to see a pattern.Forget all this AO, all those cheating places, stick on big clubs, there is no stupid girl with a nice outlook ready to get fucked without condom, only the desperate one will do it.

Tiznow2010

10-04-18, 08:16

I am interested in Saunaclub by night (http://www.saunabynight.de/).

Is this club flat-rate? Or do you have payment by session?

Varenne

10-04-18, 14:15

The law is pretty clear that they are now illegalThe law doesn't say explicitely that they are illegal, it justs sets conditions that made them illegal in most cases.

About the proposal of the law (the actual law didn't change significantly):

https://www.bmfsfj.de/blob/119060/d1c54ba07845c6af4bb2f19791fcc71b/prostituiertenschutzgesetz-data.pdf

At page 75, where it examines the conditions under which a brothel cannnot get a licence, you actually read:

"Allein die Tatsache, dass Kunden ein pauscha-les Entgelt zu entrichten haben, fhrt noch nicht zur Versagung der Erlaubnis. ".

Google translate:

"Just the fact that customers have to pay flat-rate fees, does not lead to the refusal of permission. ".

I don't know about those you claim are not. Perhaps there are more details when you actually enter, perhaps they are or claim to be swingers clubs, etc.Neither I know anytihng more than I read on the websites, a report from a real visitor would be most interesting. Sure it's possible that they will tell about limitations only when you enter. It's also possible that, even if you're told that service is unlimited, all the girls will start to ignore you once, according to internal undisclosed club rules, you have used up all your service credits. In some clubs this easily happened even before the law, unless you had the savoir-faire and power of persuasion of Sir Wanking.

ExpatLover

10-04-18, 19:37

The law doesn't say explicitely that they are illegal, it justs sets conditions that made them illegal in most cases.

About the proposal of the law (the actual law didn't change significantly):

https://www.bmfsfj.de/blob/119060/d1c54ba07845c6af4bb2f19791fcc71b/prostituiertenschutzgesetz-data.pdf

At page 75, where it examines the conditions under which a brothel cannnot get a licence, you actually read:

"Allein die Tatsache, dass Kunden ein pauscha-les Entgelt zu entrichten haben, fhrt noch nicht zur Versagung der Erlaubnis. ".

Google translate:

"Just the fact that customers have to pay flat-rate fees, does not lead to the refusal of permission. ".

Neither I know anytihng more than I read on the websites, a report from a real visitor would be most interesting. Sure it's possible that they will tell about limitations only when you enter. It's also possible that, even if you're told that service is unlimited, all the girls will start to ignore you once, according to internal undisclosed club rules, you have used up all your service credits. In some clubs this easily happened even before the law, unless you had the savoir-faire and power of persuasion of Sir Wanking.And then at the end it will change what, do you really need that to be satisfied, ask may be your self why you need it?

Neurosynth

10-04-18, 20:55

The core consideration is "sexual self-determination," I. E. The sex worker has to retain the right to say yes and no on an individualized basis without coercion such as threat of being fired.

"The prostitution for sexual activity, guaranteed at all times by the Prostitution Act, is one of the basic conditions for the legal recognition of prostitution as a legal transaction aimed at sexual services. Sexual self-determination can not be legally waived.

Therefore, for example, despite prior agreement by the parties involved, it is unacceptable for commercial offers to be designed in such a way that. As reported by so-called "([CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)-) Gang-Bang" events. A large number of so-called suitors pay an entrance fee in parallel or in full the opportunity for sexual intercourse with the prostitute to be given in a timely manner, with the result that [CodeWord124] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124) are re-enacted, because this leads to a situation in which the person who allows sexual intercourse for a consideration waives the right to choose the customers or to be able to exert influence on the practices used. ".

This is why gang-bang parties are now postured as filmmaking events or swingers events.

"The refusal of permission does not include a prohibition of a particular sexual practice per se, so it is not about a ban on private sex parties. The provision merely acts as a prohibition on the commercial organization of such practices as paid offers.

Even if so-called flat-rate brothels (also known as "all-inclusive" club, "all-inclusive" offer or similar) at least to the outside the appearance is awakened that the prostitutes present in a prostitution site to indiscriminate. ".

In other words you can have a flat-rate club, but it cannot present an offer saying all of the women there are available to you.

"Similarly, if a lump sum to be paid to the operator is available to any customer at any time, it is also likely to have a ground for refusal under point 1, since it constitutes a breach of the prostitution law if a prostitute commits a previously fixed pay to a third party to make an indefinite number of sexual harassment Commit file. ".

In addition, a flat-rate club cannot offer unlimited sex with any individual woman.

"In addition to the application for the offer to the outside, the assessment of the contractual internal relationship between the prostitute and the operator is decisive for the assessment. The mere fact that customers have to pay flat-rate fees does not lead to their refusal. ".

In addition, a flat-rate club cannot have management that as an employer coerces workers into having unwanted sex.

CpHowdy

10-07-18, 20:26

Sirioja

10-08-18, 10:43

I will be staying in Bochum while I am there. Are there any large clubs with hotter women like Oase or Sharks in the area, or should I plan a couple days in Frankfurt if I want to go to these clubs as well?

Thanks!Bochum is Dusseldorf suburb. Many clubs around Dusseldorf. Higher level for me than Frankfurt. Open your eyes and work to find your own girls.

BigBuddy69

10-08-18, 17:48

Bochum is absolutely not in the suburbs of Dusseldorf, it's a completely different city 50 km away from Dusseldorf. Besides F39, there is one rather large club close to Bochum, the FKK Great Palace but I fear the quality kept on dropping (and it was never really high). The big clubs of NRW (Oceans, Magnum, Acapulco, Golden Time) are at least 30 km away from Bochum.

Wanking

10-09-18, 10:41

I set up a map of club with party-like settings, separating those declaring using the token system:

http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/low-cost-brothels-map-germany_252879#6/51.863/9. 712.

I wondered if interpretations of the law differ locally, but I fail to see a pattern.Varenne, you are doing a great job keeping your map up to date.

ExpatLover

10-09-18, 19:35

Varenne, you are doing a great job keeping your map up to date.Yes very interesting and useful, a new life is starting from now after just 1000 FKK visits.

Kuni042

10-09-18, 19:53

FKK Great Palace?? Well: it maybe ok on a Friday or Saturday evening. But for all other evenings it will be deserted. From my perspective, I am expecting them to close down this club. How could they have it survive on just to moderately filled evenings??

Salome is a notch better than FKK Great Palace, in my opinion. Oceans and Magnum are two notches better than FKK Great Palace. But all 3 are still a no-go for weekday eves. Acapulco-Velbert ok- not too bad- but it is a 30 min drive. If you can drive 30 min, why not drive 55 to GoldenTime?

Bochum is absolutely not in the suburbs of Dusseldorf, it's a completely different city 50 km away from Dusseldorf. Besides F39, there is one rather large club close to Bochum, the FKK Great Palace but I fear the quality kept on dropping (and it was never really high). The big clubs of NRW (Oceans, Magnum, Acapulco, Golden Time) are at least 30 km away from Bochum.

PussyLiccker

10-10-18, 00:45

FKK Great Palace?? Well: it maybe ok on a Friday or Saturday evening. But for all other evenings it will be deserted. From my perspective, I am expecting them to close down this club. How could they have it survive on just to moderately filled evenings??

Salome is a notch better than FKK Great Palace, in my opinion. Oceans and Magnum are two notches better than FKK Great Palace. But all 3 are still a no-go for weekday eves. Acapulco-Velbert ok- not too bad- but it is a 30 min drive. If you can drive 30 min, why not drive 55 to GoldenTime?Sounds like coming from some experience. How is Magnum now a days? Have you been recently? Is weekend still dead until 7-8 ish and major sausage fest midnight onwards? I stopped attending after getting fed up with the club.

Kuni042

10-10-18, 18:54

I go there once a month and really only on fridays and yes, the prime-time to go is 9 pm onwards. I like variety and I like german young. Not so experienced. Girls, so sometimes you find some really nice ones there. At times, there is a really good looking rumanian, Loredana, there with real. DD-boobs, end-twenties. See here: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3394-Magnum-Saunaclub-Erkrath-near-Dusseldorf&p=2224617&viewfull=1#post2224617 and also two posts prior to that.

Sounds like coming from some experience. How is Magnum now a days? Have you been recently? Is weekend still dead until 7-8 ish and major sausage fest midnight onwards? I stopped attending after getting fed up with the club.

CpHowdy

10-25-18, 17:12

I will be staying near Bochum so I will be within 30 minutes of several clubs, Arabella, F39, Grimberg. I was wondering the clubs policies for leaving and returning the same day. Do I have to pay again to re-enter?

I was thinking I could go eat or go to the hotel and rest up between rooms. Does the policy vary from club to club?

I know from my experience in Dietz it can be pretty boring between rooms in the smaller clubs and after a couple of pops it may be a couple of hours between rooms.

ExpatLover

10-25-18, 21:42

Vito Corleone

10-27-18, 09:37

EastGoing

10-29-18, 19:11

Just back from a too long trip. Visited each and every RTC. "C" obviously stands for church, every person I met was extremely religious, some even sodomites. Also explored Club By Night in Tonisvorst (already visited once in spring but not reported), heaven7, Oase & Sharks, whose devoted visitors are going to assault my posts when written, LOL.
Searched also RLDs. In Duisburg there is an entire house of girls one more beautiful than the other, but I guess they would wank you covered. 30E for 20 minutes plus 20E for BBBJ and nothing else sounded unappealing to me, after squandering 50E for 30, not 20, minutes in Sharks.

I entered them all at happy hour. No need to be an economist to understand that the purpose of HH is to make more people enter, since quality of girls, service and sometimes even quantity is down the hill. Posts will follow.

EastGoing

10-29-18, 21:39

In recent times, when not having important or urgent "targets" to hit, I would normally land in Dusseldorf and go to Leverkusen because of proximity. This time I didn't even bother, given the datas I had. Having booked an accommodation in Dietzenbach for 2 nights some days later, I decided to go to Luderland on the way there, but datas where still bad, so I gladly thanked my navi for choosing to make me go via Dortmund and postponed it to the return.

Since my last day in Hessen would have been in Sharks, I thought it was also a way to finally spend money for real sex and worthy service, specially after a highly likely wasted day in this tremendously overestimated overadvertised club, honestly really great, the best I have ever visited, in everything but girls (and their service).

So, from my info only Rebecca and Isabella could have been a chance for me in Luderland. When I entered, a blonde MILF had the only smile on the face in the all club, apart from the very gentle theke. She was slim, fuckable, I was sure I knew her, the 2 targets were not on sight, so I went for her. We recalled I had been with her in Verena long ago, I don't remember under which name, here she was Adriana. I was lucky to catch her, she would have left in a couple of days. We followed all the steps of the via crucis until a great long fuck in the ass finalized with a happy "clyster" ;-)
No clock watching, no hurry, no discussions, no pains, no "No"s and as many as 30 euros abandoning me. Sharks was 206 kms away, but it seemed in another galaxy.

Then I sat on Rebecca's couch waiting for her. She was continuously busy, not that slim, but young with a pretty smile. Surprisingly, she said she professed another religion. I thought she was joking, she insisted a lot, so I left her to the following man on line. Then I moved to Isabella, young with a slim ok body, but an ugly face with a sad expression. I jokingly asked her why she was so sad, if in the room she would cheer up. She said she wouldn't and that she belonged to the same church of Rebecca. I left her couch without sorrows, I didn't like her and didn't think she could be a good room in any case.

I understood what was wrong: they didn't like the fact that I had gone with the MILF and probably fucked her in the ass. In every RTC club, if girls suspect you have fucked a colleague in the ass, they will refuse you with any excuse even if they know you.

For the record, in german AO forums they both have posts, only defect seems to be they don't like CIP.

Rest of crew were Michaela, Oana, Veronika, Sarah (become big!) Lori and another 3-4 for me unzimmerable females, no Selina, no Anita. About her, somebody in freiercafe recently wrote a post which would make you fly to Leverkusen urgently. Actually I heard she gained further weight. It is said that Giotto drew a perfect circle. If there had been a little error, then that would have been a portrait of Anita.

So I went back to Adriana. This time her ass was a bit in pain, so I had to quit it and be happy with just a "frustrating" CIP. Again 30E. 206 kms and lots of euros and degrees of heat away from Otto-Rohm strasse in Darmstadt.

EastGoing

10-29-18, 22:29

Visited the ranch and its herd in an evening HH with a couple of disgusted german friends. Another couple of calves had been born:

Adelina, Micky being the sister and not the mum. Adelina is pratically exactly like her older sister some 20 kgs ago.

Nelly, bulgarian, probably related to Sissi.

Enriched by nearly 40 yo Jenny and MILF-grandmo Cancu, both from F39.

By the attendance of at least 50 yo Magda.

Captained by a theke at level, sorry, I mean at weight.

Grimberg farm had only one female who was both under 30 yo and under 85 kgs (which normally are even distributed in around 150 cms of height): skeletal Angie. Katy and Lily were on holiday.

I felt obliged to give a sense to my attendance and went with Nelly. Young, sweet, with a pretty smile, in zimmer informed me that she didn't want cubs nor liked gargling. Not even a COF. Since I know that these girls hate water more than cats do, I like to think that at least she had to wash her wide body quite a bit.

Optimist

10-30-18, 15:05

EastGoing

10-30-18, 18:47

The club was offering HH morning and evening after being for a lot of time the only RTC which didn't have it. I remember going there one day yes and one no, staying the entire day, making plenty of rooms, spending several hours in zimmer, just memories. This time I couldn't resist more than 4 hours in 2 visits, the second one being a mistake, a misunderstanding over a supposed new beautiful girl (don't trust all you read in freiercafe!)

Maria moved to Arabella, Katy to F39, Andrea to Grimberg; Anna, Alissia, Erika, Ina (back on duty for a short while after giving birth) on holiday; Baby lost in space since some 5 months, plus I am surely forgetting someone else, who was left? Bulgarians Sonia, Monika, Melly; romanians Michaela BB, Jasmine.

Then new for me:

A couple of insignificant cows, one (Lili) I had to take for punishing myself for going to Duisburg unnecessarily, wasn't even able to compensate with service, not even good at blowing;.

Daniela, good body, sad and bored face, seemed uninterested in anything around her;.

Alizeeh, I was curious about her being half romanian and half Iraqi. Not bad, good body inspite of 4 children, slim, short, with a personality, but in the room something else is needed. A bit frenetic, "abspritzorientert", pratically no kissing. All in all, you can do without her;.

Emma, blonde, short, nice slim body. One of the few cases when you can agree with freiercafe. With her, you are alone on the couch and in the room. Even back downstairs, with the wallet in your hand, she will be an ectoplasm. She could be sister of blonde Patrizia in Verena, same body, same facial expression, same enthusiasm.

If time ago I used to post that Venus was the club to go, now I am sorry to say you might skip it without any regret.

EastGoing

10-30-18, 21:31

Visited a couple of weeks ago, had some 8 girls. Ina got married, Elena is trying her luck in a normal club, too-beautiful-for-these-clubs-Laura left this summer.

Found:

Andrea, the prettiest one, new little young star, left before 12am. I couldn't see her anymore because she eventually went on holiday;

Gypsy sisters Alice and Maria;

Patrizia, whose contagious cheerfulness I already described;

MILF Aurelia, back with a few kgs more, the only smiling face of the club;

Madi, useless hippo wandering around the RTC savanas in search of maniacs who might take her to the room;

Tina, frozen ornament on holiday on following visit. Friendliness and warmth at level of Patrizia;

The other one, evidently insignificant, at the moment escape me.

On a more recent visit, the HH entrance had been shortened at 11 am (was 1 pm) and postponed at 8 pm (was at 6 pm) but was 15 E (I'd say it was 20), I found also:

Bulgarians Layla and Marianna (who left in early afternoon) from F39 had been transferred there for a few days to strenghten the line up;

A decent face with a decent body romanian 27 yo, good service;

Sarah, 19 yo half roman half romanian was back from holidays. Body quite good, just make sure you go in a room with a pillow in case you don't fuck her from behind.

Two side notes: in the club the music is always too loud since opening, and the temperature is too low.

Kuni042

10-30-18, 22:48

OmarRap

10-30-18, 23:24

The unfortunate story is that some girls are of course forced to do this work. I never never ever would go with girls, that seem sad, bored or uninterested in a room with me.

German law even requires us, to report on girls who maybe forced. But then again: this is a bit farfetched. But good still to avoid those WGs.I hear time and again that 90% of girls have a boyfriend that pushes them to work in some way. When a girl breaks up with her boyfriend then she usually ends the job. But as soon as she gets a boyfriend again then she goes back to work again. I don't have any statistical data to back this up but this is the claims of working girls whether in Golden Time, World or Sharks or Oase.

When a girls says she is independent or don't have a boyfriend then invariably they do. Even when she is going out with you on an Escort or even for a "free one" you find that they do. Girls are very good at hiding the boyfriend on their social media and some are not so good at it.

Vito Corleone

10-31-18, 02:45

Thanks again For your entertaining reports! Your descriptions of some of the girls is hilarious!

Keep up the great reports!

Vito Corleone

10-31-18, 02:49

Welcome back. Thanks for all your detailed helpful reports.

One point you make which is rarely made is exactly right.

"I understood what was wrong: they didn't like the fact that I had gone with the MILF and probably fucked her in the ass. In every RTC club, if girls suspect you have fucked a colleague in the ass, they will refuse you with any excuse even if they know".

I have been blacklisted (temporarily) for this very reason. Some girls who do anal have even denied that service to me when I have been the regular guest if an anti-anal campaigner.I was black listed as well. In Verena last year or 2 yrs ago, I was hammering Denisa anal like some "black on blondes" porno. Drilled her for 2 days. After spreading her nicely in the morning, I noticed a new cutie & she was busy. Another cutie same thing but they were just sitting there. Whatever. I just returned to Denisa & pounded her anal again!

EastGoing

10-31-18, 13:43

Some 9 girls on my visit.

Sabrina, 38 yo last August. Now retired (but she had done it already once), had become big but her performances must have remained extraordinary, since practically nearly every customer entering would make at least one room with her (at least before she started expanding a couple of years ago). She got many farewell messages in forums;

Lana, got bigger and changed haircomb, I hadn't recognized her. Years ago I used to define her an excellent safety net, but haven't zimmered her since long time;

Janina, one of the few girls whose body doesn't continuously expand, I'd dare to say she's physically exactly as I met her years ago, while her brain is constantly rejuvenating. A pity we don't match;

Elena, new face for me, worth a try inspite of bad reports. Young, blonde, slim, glasses which make her uglier, so-so face, doesn't put effort, not skilled. Better than Verena's Patrizia and Venus' Emma, but still good mainly for necrophiliacs;

Anna, young, on the slightly chubby side, but good performer;

Bianca, already described, slim good body, unexpressive ugly face with worse expression, you may see more lively people at a funeral;

Nicole, already described, blonde MILF with glasses, gives ass;

Maria from Venus.

A nameless cow.

Not seen Alexandra, Carmen, Anastasia and the resident bulgarian around 50 yo Maria, now all on duty.

Triptogamont

10-31-18, 16:19

but still good mainly for necrophiliacs;
...
you may see more lively people at a funeral;
Best working girl descriptions ever!

OmarRap

10-31-18, 20:35

Just back from a too long trip.

Oase & Sharks, whose devoted visitors are going to assault my posts when written, LOL.

In Duisburg there is an entire house of girls one more beautiful than the other, but I guess they would wank you covered. 30E for 20 minutes plus 20E for BBBJ and nothing else sounded unappealing to me, after squandering 50E for 30, not 20, minutes in Sharks.EastGoing,

Long time fan of your reports. I can't wait to read your reports of Oase and Sharks. Don't worry about the critics. Report what you see and wish to make known. Different views are the lifeblood of these forums.

Our role is to report and its for others to read and make their own decisions instead of being dictated to.

EastGoing

11-02-18, 13:52

In the past I have already made notice to Kuni and other posters that this thread is specifically for some topics, so Great Palace, Salome, etc. Have nothing to do here.

I am not sure about which thread I should choose to write about this club, let's say that since I write nearly exclusively in this thread, I will place it here.

BTW, since some guys like my posts, I take the occasion to thank them all (starting from those who wrote to express appreciament) and to inform that I have posted also in the threads of Dietzenbach, Oase, Sharks, Heaven7, that I will post in this one about M-EX Dulmen and will close my reports in Freude39's.

Club By Night is just beside Planet Happy Garden, actually it seems its storehouse. I didn't report about it when I visited earlier this year, but now I see it is a bit acknowledged also in other forums. Level of girls is similar to a RTC, more a Grimberg than a Verena, so not that good, and service lower. Maybe a rom camp has been dismantled by police and girls found a refuge here, you can see all the photos on their webpage, however the uglier girls will really make you feel, by many points of view, like if you were in a RTC. Roughly, 30 minutes cost 30 E, but any girl might offer different amount of time and service for slightly different amount of money.

YMMV, I wouldn't advise to go there on purpose, especially if you are not close, but if you walk out from PHG with some spare change and some sperm left, your chances of purification and relief here are much higher and much cheaper.

The place is clean, food is decent, not too many customers not even on a Friday evening. The waiters go around asking if you would like drinks and even deliver them to you. Girls spend too much time hanging with men, maybe they find it difficult to be taken to the room or maybe it is because this is more like a bar than a club, the problem is that if you want to interview, you'll have to wait.

I saw the (fuckable, but bulgarian) girl I had zimmered in my previous visit, but this time I didn't want to abandon my heirs in a place where they wouldn't feel at home... And the only other 2 pretty ones on duty wouldn't want to satisfy my fantasies...

Management seems to be caring... but I felt embarrassed in aswering "yes" when my friend and I were leaving and we were asked if everyhting was ok, because, exactly same situation as in Heaven7, we hadn't been in zimmer...

Neurosynth

11-02-18, 19:03

EastGoing

11-02-18, 20:46

Neurosynth,

Since July 2017 AO is illegal. The new law also made illegal for girls to sleep in clubs (but many still do everywhere), to make any sex without condom, etc. , so it is better to avoid the topic.

AO is available anywhere on earth, also in normal clubs, Tp273 wrote he had it in Oase, even mentioning the name of the girl (I am sorry I didn't read that on time, LOL!), but this doesn't mean that the club likes it to be said, because they might have troubles. Officially the clubs must forbid even BBBJ, but even some thekes will tell you that it is included in the price of the room. If I am not mistaken, you theorize that what happens behind closed doors cannot be known, that the law is unenforcible, but this doesn't mean that the fact of not using lattex stuff has to be vowed.

Certain things are better left unsaid. For example, all of us must have noticed girls entering a club, fully dressed, have a quick conversation with the theke, disappear a few minutes and then come back naked ready for our dicks. They should have papers, by logic and by law, but they start immediately, they will deliver documents, permits and other bullshit in a few days.

And now imagine that a new young girl, who by law has always had to be at least 18 to work as a prostitute, joins a club and suddenly vanishes in a short while inspite of having become a star... It seems that nobody knows why, what happened to her, is she coming back, where has she gone, etc., no info at all. Imagine if the reason was that the club found out eventually that she wasn't 18 yet, you think that the matter could be openly discussed?

KC Questor

11-03-18, 00:35

EastGoing

11-03-18, 03:46

Some 11 women (at least for the registry office) on my 2 visits. Possible targets mainly were 3 ex RTCs girls plus a young sister. Service can have limitations varying on girls (and on you). Now the lockers-shower area has been covered, you don't get wind or rain anymore, but you still freeze.

Narcisa, met after nearly 4 years, physically more or less the same (short, slim and fuckable, but better not to indulge too much exploring her body), but face (make up?) and haircomb made her much prettier. Service great as usual, before during and after the deed;

Nicoletta, got much slimmer. At distance quite eyecatching, but at the touch, definitely too soft. Also, the service is not good and she doesn't want to receive your essence in any orifice;

Bianca, triceratops surviving the asteroid's crash. She's importing her sisters as well. They all look the same, the difference is just in kgs (like Adelina and Micky in Grimberg), this time I fucked Alina… thinking she was Denisa, LOL! If I'm not mistaken, they are 5 sisters, so next time I will have to try to mind the differences and ask the name earlier.

Another new face for me was hungarian Jenny. She declares 5 kids and 38 yo. By the face I'd say over 50, but the body is good, she's slim with a very slight belly, good boobs, great legs and, most of all, she has a marble ass which I hadn't touched for looong time and I'd say never in Germany. She fucks a bit like crazy, but her batteries last only about 10 minutes. However you can easily convince her to suck you to make her rest and recover her energy, and 20 mins fly away quickly. Like for Verena's Sarah, if you fuck mish, a pillow (or whatever might impede your sight / hide her face) will be of help.

The crew was completed by a bulgarian I had fucked a few kgs ago and other girls who were overweight and / or belonging to other religions.

I'd say that, in the overall, the best day of a highly unsatisfactory trip (probably the worst ever in NRW, worsened by the fact of being the longest I made) was in Dulmen: all women, apart from Nicoletta, kissed me good and made me finish, inspite of the room being shorter, at least in theory. Of course, beauty is a swear-word here...

OmarRap

11-03-18, 05:35

Whoa, boy! This could be fun.Sure you may not realise but it is much more fun since 1 July 2017 that all sex services in Germany by law must be with condom and that means blowjob as well let alone sexual intercourse. For many this law change has escaped them except for a few who tried to suppress the discussion of services available.

I agree also that the new law change also forbade the women sleeping in the same rooms that they are fucked in. Even Living Room after raids by police has been told to maintain a relax area specially set aside for the girls to go to when they need to get away from the public areas or girls locker room.

Indeed the new laws have been fun.

Neurosynth

11-03-18, 06:58

Neurosynth,

Since July 2017 AO is illegal. The new law also made illegal for girls to sleep in clubs (but many still do everywhere), to make any sex without condom, etc. , so it is better to avoid the topic.

And more blah blah blah.

(1) I didn't need the lecture. Nothing you said was news to me or many others here.

(2) The management of this site has scolded those who have told other posters to not post AO information. They only do this occasionally, but their position is quite clear. Thus you are on the wrong side of this transaction. They make the rules, not you.

(3) You expressed uncertainty as to where to post about "Club By Night. " I pointed out that this thread is for places that provide AO services as a matter of course. Note the subject line for this thread.

(4) By posting about "Club By Night" in this thread you've already implied they are an AO place. If that is misleading you should warn folks about it here and now before they drive some distance only to be disappointed.

Tp273

11-03-18, 14:00

Some 11 women (at least for the registry office) on my 2 visits. Possible targets mainly were 3 ex RTCs girls plus a young sister. Service can have limitations varying on girls (and on you). Now the lockers-shower area has been covered, you don't get wind or rain anymore, but you still freeze.

Narcisa, met after nearly 4 years, physically more or less the same (short, slim and fuckable, but better not to indulge too much exploring her body), but face (make up?) and haircomb made her much prettier. Service great as usual, before during and after the deed;

Nicoletta, got much slimmer. At distance quite eyecatching, but at the touch, definitely too soft. Also, the service is not good and she doesn't want to receive your essence in any orifice;

Bianca, triceratops surviving the asteroid's crash. She's importing her sisters as well. They all look the same, the difference is just in kgs (like Adelina and Micky in Grimberg), this time I fucked Alina thinking she was Denisa, LOL! If I'm not mistaken, they are 5 sisters, so next time I will have to try to mind the differences and ask the name earlier.

Another new face for me was hungarian Jenny. She declares 5 kids and 38 yo. By the face I'd say over 50, but the body is good, she's slim with a very slight belly, good boobs, great legs and, most of all, she has a marble ass which I hadn't touched for looong time and I'd say never in Germany. She fucks a bit like crazy, but her batteries last only about 10 minutes. However you can easily convince her to suck you to make her rest and recover her energy, and 20 mins fly away quickly. Like for Verena's Sarah, if you fuck mish, a pillow (or whatever might impede your sight / hide her face) will be of help.

The crew was completed by a bulgarian I had fucked a few kgs ago and other girls who were overweight and / or belonging to other religions.

I'd say that, in the overall, the best day of a highly unsatisfactory trip (probably the worst ever in NRW, worsened by the fact of being the longest I made) was in Dulmen: all women, apart from Nicoletta, kissed me good and made me finish, inspite of the room being shorter, at least in theory. Of course, beauty is a swear-word here...A few weeks ago I walked into M-EX in Dulmen, looked around at the girls on the loveseats and walked out! LU was terrible. From what you say about most of the girl's service it looks like a made a good choice. I had much better luck at Luderland & Freude-39. Even found a few at Grimberg worth fucking. At Arabella there was only one worth while.

EastGoing

11-03-18, 16:03

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1096-FKK-Oase-Burgholzhausen&p=2243129&viewfull=1#post2243129.

I copy and paste the end of it:

"While driving there, I had carefully pondered what I could do to avoid being continuously tampered and hassled for going to a room and pay several extras, and I had come to this solution: ask for something I was pretty sure the girls wouldn't want to do. Many of them declared they would do anything, fulfill any fantasy, but when I mentioned my fantasy they would run away, mostly with contempt. In case I had met one who answered yes, I thought I could have tried to say that I wouldn't pay extra for that! I felt a Genius for sorting out also the possible second problem!

Unfortunately, these clever expedients worked with all the girls I got in touch with. But one ;-) "

I didn't say anything clearly, I didn't even mention AO, but guys understood I got it, also without paying extra.

Now, out of sentences like:

"In the past I have already made notice to Kuni and other posters that this thread is specifically for some topics, so Great Palace, Salome, etc. Have nothing to do here" "let's say"

"however the uglier girls will really make you feel, by many points of view, like if you were in a RTC. Roughly, 30 minutes cost 30 E, but any girl might offer different amount of time and service for slightly different amount of money"

"your chances of purification and relief here are much higher and much cheaper"

"And the only other 2 pretty ones on duty wouldn't want to satisfy my fantasies" (probably the same ones I had in Oase and in any other occasion)

And out of this sentence worth, in my opinion, a golden medal for its diabolic tenderness "but this time I didn't want to abandon my heirs in a place where they wouldn't feel at home"

It may not be clear, and it doesn't have to, but you can make up your mind. I like writing through the lines, and you, Neurosynth, should have also picked up something else from my previous post, but if you didn't get it, I won't explain.

I also advised not to go there on purpose if you are far away, etc. I think there is all you need to know. I wish more guys posted as much and even as unclear as I do.

Tp273, for example, just wrote he has visited all the clubs I reported about, but didn't write a single line. These are the things that make me post only once in a while whether I travel or not. I post more for myself, as a diary to remember things, than for people who can't write a line of info.

One may like my posts or not, but I do take the time and effort to write them for the benefit of people who give nothing back or just "I was there" (and... ?) or maybe just criticism. I am practically the only one in these desolated thread bothering to write a few "Blah Blah Blah". I apologize for that.

Neurosynth

11-03-18, 19:14

Eastgoing.

My simple question was:

"The theme of this thread is 'NRW AO Clubs.' Does Club By Night offer AO as a matter of course like the RTCs do?"

You could have simply answered the question. But instead you expect the reader to decode your ramblings which you describe by saying "I post more for myself, as a diary to remember things. " You might want to reconsider what the purpose of a forum board like this is.

Back to the main point.

The simple response to my question seems to be AO was unavailable from all but one worker there. Based on that I would say posts about "Club By Night" do not belong in this thread.

CpHowdy

11-04-18, 22:38

After hanging around with Kosher Kowboy and the gypsies in Dietz I started the long drive up to NRW.

Stopped into my first NRW FKK, Arabella, tonight to see who was around. There were about 8 girls or so and probably about the same number of guys. There wasn't much I was interested in when I walked in except one girl who said she required covered so I passed. She had great tits though so it was tempting. I was pretty disappointed with the LU compared to what was at Dietz earlier in the day.

After hanging out for a while Bianca showed up. I prefer big boobs but she is slim and has a nice body aside from the boobs. On the couch she was very friendly and a great kisser so I took her to the room. She was an excellent kisser, from my point of view, and moved onto a BJ which also was very good. We then moved to her on top with a lot of kissing which I really liked then moved to mish and finally spooning which is usually the position that gets me to cum. After busting a nut we cleaned up and headed back to the floor.

While I was walking to the room with Bianca I saw another girl who looked pretty hot and kept her in mind for my next room. After I came out from my Bianca room I saw her again and she had 2 guys trying to get her so I thought I would hang out to see what happens. I needed a rest before another room anyway. I hang out a bit and she came out and nobody was there so I grabbed her and we went to the couch. It was really too soon between rooms for me but she was pretty cute, not big tits, but she was cute enough for me to overlook the boobs. Her name was Alexandria and she started off with some great kissing and a bit of rubbing on the couch and then we headed to the room. She sat me in a chair and kissed me up and down eventually moving to the BJ. She deeps throats but it actually hurt with my dick banging the back of her throat so I had her stop DT'ing and she continued a good BJ. I then laid her on her stomach and played with her ass a bit. I then started screwing her with her on her stomach which was very nice and we moved to a few other positions. It was too soon between rooms for me so I could not cum but she was a lot of fun to try with. I am meeting with her again in the morning when I should be able to come. Then I will head to F39 to see what it is like.

Varenne

11-06-18, 18:30

The location where until recently Saunaclub Aplerbeck was operating, has been turned in an RTC club:

FKK-Ludertreff.

Entry price: 30 (for this week, free entry 10-14 and 17-20).

Opening times: 10-24.

Website: https://www.fkk-ludertreff.de/index.php/home-ludertreff.html.

The website says something like "committed to the tradition of our house". Considering this used to be the house of the (in) famous Mausi, I wonder if they will ask you to kiss the German flag by entering, or whatever? Mausi had eventually to leave his house in Aplerbeck to move to a new location in Wambel, now named Luder Lounge. Maybe the choice of the similar "Ludertreff" name wanted to emphasize the connection?

Usel1

11-09-18, 00:05

Verena is in Dortmund as well but domain has no. Sex as the other RTCs.

It shouldn't be a problem; in Bochum F39 and Arabella.

Neurosynth

11-09-18, 20:40

The location where until recently Saunaclub Aplerbeck was operating, has been turned in an RTC club:

FKK-Ludertreff.

...

Mausi had eventually to leave his house in Aplerbeck to move to a new location in Wambel, now named Luder Lounge. Maybe the choice of the similar "Ludertreff" name wanted to emphasize the connection?Are you sure this is a true RTC? Luder Lounge to the best of my knowledge is not, but it is sometimes confused with Luderland in Leverkusen which is.

Varenne

11-09-18, 21:29

Are you sure this is a true RTC? Luder Lounge to the best of my knowledge is not, but it is sometimes confused with Luderland in Leverkusen which is.The new club Ludertreff is assimilated to Arabella, Verena, Luderland, Grimberg, Venus, F39 (what we now call RTC, irrespective from the actual decor). It seems that some girls from the Aplerbeck saunaclub team remained after it changed to Ludertreff though, and their service might not have adapted to what you expect in an RTC.

I confirm Luder Lounge is not an RTC.

Kuni042

11-09-18, 23:28

Forgive my ignorance, but your question below was not answered (maybe it was.. but by PM?). I am mostly visiting GT, YY, Sharks and Oceans. So, this thing with RTC (red carpet club -- T = Teppich = carpet). Is this just the optics of the club? Or is it a special cluster of owners? Or is some sort of special service implied here?

Are you sure this is a true RTC? Luder Lounge to the best of my knowledge is not, but it is sometimes confused with Luderland in Leverkusen which is.

Neurosynth

11-09-18, 23:29

The new club Ludertreff is assimilated to Arabella, Verena, Luderland, Grimberg, Venus, F39 (what we now call RTC, irrespective from the actual decor). It seems that some girls from the Aplerbeck saunaclub team remained after it changed to Ludertreff though, and their service might not have adapted to what you expect in an RTC.

I confirm Luder Lounge is not an RTC.I appreciate your adding new info to the mix here, but this seems a bit vague. If AO is not the rule rather than the exception, I'd be reluctant to think of Ludertreff as an RTC. Perhaps some others can report on what fraction of providers there are comfortable with BBFS.

Member #4585

11-10-18, 12:47

Forgive my ignorance, but your question below was not answered (maybe it was.. but by PM?). I am mostly visiting GT, YY, Sharks and Oceans. So, this thing with RTC (red carpet club -- T = Teppich = carpet). Is this just the optics of the club? Or is it a special cluster of owners? Or is some sort of special service implied here?RTC or translated into Red carpet clubs means obtusely that the attraction is AO sex meaning that all sex services are without rubbers. Only way to go for that natural GFE feeling.

EastGoing

11-10-18, 14:06

Kuni, I hadn't understood why you carried on posting here about Great Palace, Salome and other clubs which are not AO, now at least I found out you didn't know what AO meant. Glad everything has been cleared.

About Ludertreff, yesterday 2 friends of mine were there. I'd say the club is in a phase of transition.

8 girls, 4 from "old" club, 4 from RTCs: Larissa and Maya from F39, Denisa from Luderland and I'm not sure about Anastasia from Arabella. They all offer the same service they were offering before the "fusion". One girl, I think I was told Jasmine, even BJ covered!

Mind the prices: 20 minutes 30 euros, 30 minutes 50 and 1 h 80.

My opinion is that the survivors of Aplerbeck will soon leave and that the club will become by all means a RTC, more or less like it happened with F39 in the beginning.

Varenne, I saw you RODed my posts. And I loved your comment. Thank you.

Kuni042

11-10-18, 14:29

Indeed! I am doing the Sauna / FKK club thing now for 3 yrs, but didn't so far risk the AO thing. I am just learning that RTC means also AO.

So my theory is, that those AO / RTC clubs will always have less chances to attract really good looking women, because the service expectations from you guys is very high. So even a BBFJ.

Kuni, I hadn't understood why you carried on posting here about Great Palace, Salome and other clubs which are not AO, now at least I found out you didn't know what AO meant. Glad everything has been cleared.

About Ludertreff, yesterday 2 friends of mine were there. I'd say the club is in a phase of transition.

8 girls, 4 from "old" club, 4 from RTCs: Larissa and Maya from F39, Denisa from Luderland and I'm not sure about Anastasia from Arabella. They all offer the same service they were offering before the "fusion". One girl, I think I was told Jasmine, even BJ covered!

Mind the prices: 20 minutes 30 euros, 30 minutes 50 and 1 h 80.

My opinion is that the survivors of Aplerbeck will soon leave and that the club will become by all means a RTC, more or less like it happened with F39 in the beginning.

Varenne, I saw you RODed my posts. And I loved your comment. Thank you.

Member #4585

11-10-18, 14:40

Tp273

11-10-18, 20:08

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1096-FKK-Oase-Burgholzhausen&p=2243129&viewfull=1#post2243129.

Tp273, for example, just wrote he has visited all the clubs I reported about, but didn't write a single line. These are the things that make me post only once in a while whether I travel or not. I post more for myself, as a diary to remember things, than for people who can't write a line of info.

One may like my posts or not, but I do take the time and effort to write them for the benefit of people who give nothing back or just "I was there" (and... ?) or maybe just criticism. I am practically the only one in these desolated thread bothering to write a few "Blah Blah Blah". I apologize for that.

I did put a number of posts on ISG of the larger Clubs ( Oase, Sharks, Oceans, & Babylon) I visited on my last trip but have not got around to posting anything here about the smaller clubs. My business is requiring me to spend a lot of time making up for the 3 1/2 weeks I spent in Germany. When I get time, maybe in a few weeks I will share my adventures to Arabella, Grimberg, Luderland, Fruede39 , the Deitz & my brief stop at M-Exclusuive.

I also visited other non AO clubs such as Treff 188 , SaunaClub49, & XS Sauna club.

Neurosynth

11-10-18, 22:01

... So my theory is, that those AO / RTC clubs will always have less chances to attract really good looking women, because the service expectations from you guys is very high. ... A really good looking woman who can deliver well performed AO can make more money as an independent escort, or even in a more upscale FKK. Not that they can all manage that. Many seem under the sway of a "boyfriend. ".

ExpatLover

11-11-18, 07:22

A really good looking woman who can deliver well performed AO can make more money as an independent escort, or even in a more upscale FKK. Not that they can all manage that. Many seem under the sway of a "boyfriend. ".And also thinking that their health is more important than the money.

Vito Corleone

11-11-18, 10:32

Kuni, you will find some good looking and pretty women in the AO clubs, this is partly why some guys persevere, then you have hit the jackpot fucking without a condom, pulling your bare dick in and out of her holes. Natural sex as it should be and written in the bible. You become a hunter looking for that gem in the clubs among so much coal.Well said! When you indeed find that gem it's heavenly!

Rohan Cid

11-14-18, 20:54

Hello, what accommodations would you recommend that would be close to Grimberg? I am hoping to start my day there and then visit Arabella and / or Villa Venus. Also, if the ladies don't speak English, what would be a good way for me to communicate with them? If any of these questions have been answered elsewhere, please let me know where the answers are posted. Thank you.

Kuni042

11-14-18, 21:05

I would think the Maritim Gelsenkirchen should be ok. Not to high priced. Some ladies speak german. All speak french fluently. Grin.

Hello, what accommodations would you recommend that would be close to Grimberg? I am hoping to start my day there and then visit Arabella and / or Villa Venus. Also, if the ladies don't speak English, what would be a good way for me to communicate with them? If any of these questions have been answered elsewhere, please let me know where the answers are posted. Thank you.

Kuni042

11-14-18, 21:07

Well, I get increasingly bored with GT. Magnum and Oceans anyway. And GT / YY are a long drive from Bochum, so indeed I shall be seen more at those NRW AO clubs.

Well said! When you indeed find that gem it's heavenly!

Kosher Kowboy

11-14-18, 22:31

I would think the Maritim Gelsenkirchen should be ok. Not to high priced. Some ladies speak german. All speak french fluently. Grin.This is where I booked including breakfast is €592 for 7 nights.

Rohan Cid

11-14-18, 23:19

I would think the Maritim Gelsenkirchen should be ok. Not to high priced. Some ladies speak german. All speak french fluently. Grin.Funny. Since English is my only language, what are my options?

KC Questor

11-15-18, 04:51

Funny. Since English is my only language, what are my options?Google translate, or just use hand signals. You can make it work.

Neurosynth

11-20-18, 07:30

I came across this news story being discussed on a German language site, and the discussion around it seemed to indicate it was related to the trafficking of girls to Arabella. Or something. Was this already reported on here? Does anyone know about it? We shouldn't forget that just because prostitution is legal in Germany, that doesn't mean criminals aren't involved and everything is sweetness and light.

It's notable that Lorheidestrasse is a relatively short stretch of road in a commercial area.

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4855041,7.1240781,3a,60y,226.08h,86.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szGt4I9gRi6xCdKcjH0scsQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Here is the link and a machine translation:

https://www.presseportal.de/blaulicht/pm/11530/4062392

"POL-BO: (ots) - Joint press statement of the prosecutor's office in Bochum and the police.

On 14/09/2018,22:40 against it came in Bochum Wattenscheid, Lorheidestrae to a dispute between several people. The later downed 25-year-old Romanian citizens waited as a passenger in the car of the friend (driver) with another female person on the Lorheidestrae against an onboard same drive. Two cars, a BMW X6 with HER mark and another BMW with Romanian license plate issued on Warteort the vehicle. For both cars several males got out, smashed the windows of the parked car, pulled out the driver and passenger and beat them. Upon further discussion on the streets of the 25- year-old Romanian suffered at least a deeper laceration in the lower abdomen. Then the attackers fled in their car towards Wattenscheid downtown. The 25-year-old has been supplied with emergency on-site and then returned to the hospital. There was death. The second injured person (driver) suffered only bruises. Attorney Maypole and CHD led Kaiser von Hagen homicide have received the investigation at night.

Witnesses to the incident contact us at 0234/909-4441 to the police.

Please address any inquiries to.

Police Bochum".

Christian G

11-20-18, 10:32

I came across this news story being discussed on a German language site, and the discussion around it seemed to indicate it was related to the trafficking of girls to Arabella. Or something. Was this already reported on here? Yes, http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3419-FKK-Arabella-Villa-Venus-Sauna-Grimberg-NRW-AO-Clubs&p=2225268&viewfull=1#post2225268.

Neurosynth

11-20-18, 20:48

Yes, http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3419-FKK-Arabella-Villa-Venus-Sauna-Grimberg-NRW-AO-Clubs&p=2225268&viewfull=1#post2225268.

Ah, thanks. I did do a search first, but somehow didn't find that. Some nasty business in any case.

EastGoing

12-19-18, 16:41

I visited Arabella. Ivana and Laura from F39 weren't there. Neither Anna and above all a couple of beloved girls who were supposed to be there.

More relevant known faces:

Alina, one of the "eldest" girls, been everywhere, I am always glad to see her even if this year she has turned into a clockwatcher and laughs at my complains and even more when I recall good old times with good old girls giving good old great clockless passionate rooms.

Nicole, ex F39 MILF who gives ass but I am not sure if only "to gentlemen".

An Elena who had been there years ago, pretty, young, good body, I thought I remembered she wasn't good, I considered giving her a second chance, but since I had had enough delusions there on that day, I preferred not to and switched to Verena.

A few girls not to my liking, even if some of them were on the slim side.

A couple of relevant new faces:

Katy, young, nice tall slim body, good shapes, without defects, decent face, just got implanted silicon.

I tried to shake her on the couch, without any active or passive physical contact being allowed or undertaken. I was struggling to pull out by nipper a few syllables from her mouth.

After a few minutes I thought about going out to my cheap rental car to see if there were the cables to attach her to the battery.

But in the meantime she might have hidden for another 45 minutes, the exact net time I had been waiting for her after she had split up with the previous customer, before I managed to go and get her pulled out from her den. We crawled like death sentenced inmates in the death row to the (execution, by frostbite) room, but luckily once there she said it was too cold. I was surprised by this explosion of spontaneous life and by the non appreciation of the temperature, also because I know that corpses are kept in cold rooms, so she should have felt at ease. However, we left the room and split up with great relief from both sides agreeing to "meet up later".

Eventually, after at least 2 hours in the room, the new princess of the club appeared. 19 yo, slim, beautiful, fresh, actually unripe, really a blooming flower. I guess that the very most of the men who were filling up the club were waiting for her, since they were not going to the room with the other dozen of women available. However her caretakers kindly addressed, actually delivered, her to me. We sympathized a bit and eventually marched off to our love nest among the blessings of the caretakers and the probable silent curses of the other customers.

The temperature of the room was perfect, the lights were soft and romantic, the rain had stopped and the birds were singing, just a bouquet of flowers was lacking, maybe some chocolates. Actually I forgot I had got one chocolate from a honey, kept it with me to deliver in another club to another honey (the thought is what matters, fuck money and jewels), otherwise I would have given it to her.

Unfortunately, her career had started a few days before, so a bit of unexperience, a bit of lack of skill and technique, a bit of she being tired and too sensitive... We kept platonic...

Hopefully on my next trip she will have taken kms of dicks and got calluses inside the pussy along with some experience. I am not used to consider my self more experienced than the girls I go with, LOL!, and while aging my dick is getting bigger and bigger... If only could send out some sperm once in a while instead of keeping me and my poor victims so long in rooms...

EastGoing

12-20-18, 19:00

I went there when F39 was still open, in spite of bad info, also because it was the only club with HH and I had slept not far from there. A slim fuckable girl never seen before introduced me to a desolate empty place where an about 50 yo 80 kgs woman was the only living being.

I vaguely remember a well enlightened hall after a sort of anteroom. For once in a RTC, apart a little bit Luderland, I got the impression of cleanliness, it looked new and shiny, even the couches. Probably because formerly normal clubs.

On a corner there was the theke's den, who popped up nearly scaring me. I'll never stop being surprised by the arrogant unpoliteness of some thekes, luckily now they are getting better and the new ones try to be friendly even if you are a fucking foreigner.

I couldn't understand well what she was saying, nor was she willing to understand me. I just caught that there were 4 women.

I was a gentleman in closing quickly the matter with a "Danke Tschuss".

Time of my stay: literally less than 2 minutes, including walking in and out.

ExpatLover

12-21-18, 13:42

EastGoing

12-21-18, 15:03

After F39 closure, I actually would have liked to meet again a girl who was there. I found out she was in Leverkusen and thought I could take the occasion to visit this club which normally doesn't have a reason for me to go. Furthermore, a guest is like a fish, after a couple of days stinks: It was good but hard to go continuously only to Venus and Verena, so I headed to Leverkusen.

Usual line up which doesn't suit me: superstar Lori, bouncing Anita, expanding Oana, about 50 yo Maya back, a few "cows with no name", some actually with no photo. If the band of America in 1971 could have visited RTCs, maybe they would have changed the title of their song.

For those who copy and paste the F39 girls diaspora from Freiercafe in the F39 thread here on ISG, I guess Eveline from F39 must be bulgarian Ilaida (or a similar name). I can confirm the other 4.

I zimmered for the first time Sonia. A bit big for my standards, on the couch she seemed a promising room, but she proved to be an obsessive clockwatcher. In any position, her head was turned towards the clock and her eyes were fixed on it. Inspite of this, she wasn't capable of calculating how much time was left, and she was constantly giving me updates which were grossly wrong about an imminent end of our room. Towards the end of the session I had got as well the fear that we might miss the spatial hooking of the astro shuttle supposed to join us in our NASA mission to destroy the asteroid who was going to crash on Leverkusen... What could I say to Houston? That I had a problem? Also, I was worried of the consequences for the rest of the world in case of our failure, so I accepted her calculations and "saved the world" that day (more than Eurythmics did).

So this time you lurkers can be grateful to me much more than for my posts :-D

Vito Corleone

12-22-18, 21:55

EastGoing

12-24-18, 03:20

Verena's ok line up had added 3 new faces plus Andrea finally on duty, she filled my heart and emptied my balls even though she was whimsical and not taking care of herself. She wouldn't need any make up, but a razor for her legs should be compulsory, along with lessons on how to use it. All of them about 18-19 yo.

Diana, the less pretty and on the chubby side, to be avoided because of the lack of skills and good will. She even thinks that cutting the room shorter can lessen the very low level of her sessioning. She must have watched a few pornos and tries to put into practice the fake moans and other unnecessary annoying bullshit expecting the men to behave and react like the actors in the films.

Erika, who was eventually reported somewhere else, doesn't kiss and isn't religious at the end, but has a good slim blossoming body under a decent face. Nonetheless a room with her is amusing.

Denisa, a fuckable body under a so-so face. I wanted to try her, but she was always upset, indifferent, minding either her toes or the ceiling, not watching any man, not smiling, a wilting cactus who seemed to want to keep away any man and possibly fulminate the daring pig who might sit with her. I tried to sit beside her couch more than once and she totally ignored me. I tried to call her when she walked by a couple of times, she even turned her head towards me with that horrible facial expression (a mix of sadness, reproach and anger) and carried on walking.
I categorized her as a terrible corpse to be avoided and I concentrated on the superior good that was available.
One day I spoke about Denisa to a friend in another club while exchanging info, and he laughed at my opinions about her. He told me to try her, not to mind what she looked like with her behaviour. I thought he was joking and teasing me, but he insisted a lot, "take her, in the room she's another girl, she changes totally" was the refrain.
The funny thing is that I don't even remember who gave me this advice, because I ignored it also on another couple of visits, but on my next trip I will find out and thank him.
I have met many girls who leave their smile, good health and good mood on the couch when marching to the room to transform themselves in sad angry corpses full of pains and problems. This was the first or anyway one of the few times when the contrary happened: she stormed me with her tongue, kissed fantastically, sucked passionately with great funny deep throat, could even talk, smile and laugh!

Iuliana, about 22 yo skinny skeleton who has already worked under various names in F39, Dietz and Grimberg, joined too. She learnt to use make up and looks prettier, but isn't anymore catholic until the end.
The various horse-faced Sarah, gypsy sisters Alice (who doesn't use make up anymore) and Maria (a dwarf who now discovered the existence of hairdressers and make up and thinks to be miss universe), widening ornament Tina, etc. have already been described (by me, who else bothers to post in this cemetery threads?).

In general, Verena's girls mostly have at least one of the following qualities: good / decent bodies with good / decent service. Some have both, but YMMVD ("D" stands for dramatically, even on the same day).

P.S. Vito, thanks for bothering to post a line of appreciation ;-*

Christian G

12-24-18, 13:40

P.S. Vito, thanks for bothering to post a line of appreciation ;-*I think many guys here enjoy and appreciate your posts, but maybe they are too shy or too lazy or too envious of your successes to express their appreciation LOL :-D

EastGoing

12-24-18, 14:16

I went to Venus nearly by mistake. I had spent the first 2,5 days with the same 2 girls and had to change. A friend wanted me to join him in M-ex on that day, the info I had on both places were not good, but I preferred Duisburg, also because I had to meet another friend in the evening to go to RLD.

To my surprise, I found out that on that week few new girls had joined. Good looking ones giving good service. I went to the room at least 6 times a day and regretted I couldn't do more (but nearly all sessions were longer than basic time), mostly because it was difficult to find free the anyway not few targets that I wanted to hit.

Some 14 girls every day with at least 2-3 off and plenty of men, I don't think I have ever seen so many in Venus, and even all day long, some had to stay downstairs to find a place. I could make the last room departing at 22,20, when normally at that time the club is closed or nearly closed. Apart from a new girl who stayed with me very willingly and volunteering, I had to struggle to get the first target who would be available and I even had an argument with a guy who chased me and a girl while going to the room claiming he was before me in line.

The best looking one, a new Anna, giving the poorest service, more or less like Arabella's princess (who at least tried to watch pornos like Verena's Diana to have clues of what to do in the room) got kicked out by The General on her third day.

Also the "old ones" got better:

Daniela was cheerful and did all she could to please, saying that that's what she's supposed to be there for (please let your colleagues know this!)

I zimmered "ex-catastrophic" Emma once each and every day, and I couldn't find anything to complain, sessions were plain without involvement nor passion, but good, with a pretty girl, no problems, no pains, no clock watching, etc. I was told by third parties that anyway she actually hadn't changed her "service" and a reason for this "behaving" with me couldn't be found.

Alizee is still better as a person than as a sex provider, but once you accept she doesn't kiss you and just goes for the deed, you shouldn't have anything to complain. Somebody on another forum wrote she licked his ass. I would swear on my ass that it's not true.

There were also Alicia, Monica, Melly, Maria, Rebecca, Sonia, Samira, Nicoletta from Verena (who got slimmer and is a good room, she made feel a tender weak corpse like me a stallion when fucking her mish)

That's all for this trip. I wish you all Merry Christmas and may the new year bring Field Reports in this thread also by posters other than me.

P.S. Thanks Christian. I like the word "successes" even if probably doesn't suit me, or not that much LOL ;-*

Sirioja

12-24-18, 17:06

I think many guys here enjoy and appreciate your posts, but maybe they are too shy or too lazy or too envious of your successes to express their appreciation LOLAs everybody know how I'm different, but I really prefer when some beauties in normal clubs, decide one day not to take anything out of their bag, so much more enjoyable when the girl seems safe enough, and I never ask for this. A bit exclusive girls are more interesting and attractive for me, than AO girls fucked AO by everybody.

Optimist

12-24-18, 17:43

Great to see you back in the fray with your informative and entertaining encyclopaedic reports. Sounds like you will need recuperation over Christmas.

Usel1

12-25-18, 09:41

A great thanks to EG.

I was attending in VV while General Barbara fired Anna.

My friend got shocked and we later figured out what happened.

Basically I've nothing more to add as my prose is shorten and poorer.

To summarize, I just rate as follow:

Luderland: ridicolous. You have to ask the Thekefrau also for coffe and light drinks.

- Loredana boycotting and I don't know for what a reason. I'm an "Auslander"; if I were German complaining to Thekefrau, may be, she would have behaved differently.

- Kim stunning but in a hurry.

- Sonja just in hurry and less nice naked than while bikini dressed.

- Viktoria and Ineida funny bur not unforgettable.

Arabella: always good (the first love you never foget).

- Alina great and funny as usual.

- Ncole great passion and performance with the real MILF or neighbor aunt.

- Antonia able to race to Miss Romania.

VV: General Barbara rules without exception! Some sandwich would be appreciated.

- Alicia great performance.

- Maria is like the wine, older becomes better.

- Rebecca may be good actress may be not but great performance and nice customer targeted behaviour.

- Daniela new good discover.

- Nicol (ex Verena) great, simply great; EG stole may thoughts.

- Andreea close to entrance and Nicol, new (for me) but really nice and sweet; her face reminds me Isabella Rossellini.

- Monica (Bulgarian) as long as I meet her, always so sweet to forget.

Hope to be there soon better with F39 open.

Varenne

01-15-19, 10:56

Villa Arabella is closed "for renovations". All the girls have been relocated in Freude 39, which should have reopened since today.

Wanking

01-17-19, 01:16

Villa Arabella is closed "for renovations". All the girls have been relocated in Freude 39, which should have reopened since today.Good to know.

Wanking

01-19-19, 15:15

Are we certain Arabella closed at the moment?

Christian G

01-19-19, 16:04

Are we certain Arabella closed at the moment?Yes, it's closed! The last day was Monday 14th January. On Freiercafè a guy wrote that should re-open on 22th January.

EastGoing

01-21-19, 14:15

From today all clubs have happy hour again. I was lucky as usual coming back home yesterday evening and paying full prices all week long.

From tomorrow arabella reopens as well. Plenty of girls came back to the various clubs on Friday. For example, Verena on Wednesday had some 9 girls, on Saturday 17.
F39 had reopened with 12, on Friday they were 23. I guess some more are expected to come back this week, because if the about 13 girls of arabella move back home, F39 will be half empty again.

For info on opening time and cost of entrance, if one doesn't know other forums, it is possible to check on the websites of the clubs. Enjoy.

Optimist

01-21-19, 20:03

EG. Sorry to miss you. I finally got to Villa Venus and the girl with the smiley face was still smiling. There were only about half a dozen girls which even for a Monday seemed low. The guys were booking the girls by sitting on the girls couches while the girls showered. As I was meeting an ISG member I was in no hurry, and by 18.00 the girls were twiddling their thumbs. As anyone would predict, I went with Larissa, who apart from being a thoroughly kind person, had a superb slim body, and the ability to give me a good session even when I am not really bothered. DFK of course included.

30 euros for 25 minutes plus 5 minutes couch time, cannot be sniffed at.

I only did the one session, but thought I should just post the reminder about the good value.

Btw. Anyone driving without Satnav should know that Duisburg Meiderich autobahn junction is closed at the moment

Kuni042

01-21-19, 20:44

I arrived at 11.30 am and there was a waiting line for the room. Not funny! LU was boring. Most of the time only 5 girls visible. With that little selection I departed after 90 min.

Free Dude

01-21-19, 20:52

I arrived at 11.30 am and there was a waiting line for the room. Not funny! LU was boring. Most of the time only 5 girls visible. With that little selection I departed after 90 min.Luderlounge is still not one of the NRW AO clubs, but I guess that is too complicated for some here.

BigBuddy69

01-21-19, 20:53

Is LuderLounge now LuderTreff, part of the RTC clubs?

Neurosynth

01-22-19, 19:40

Is LuderLounge now LuderTreff, part of the RTC clubs?The Luder-Whatever that is an RTC is:

FKK Luderland.

Porschestraße 9, 51381 Leverkusen, Germany.

Free Dude

01-22-19, 20:01

Geez, it's not that difficult people.

Luderlounge is in Dortmund Wambel and is not part of the RTC chain (so no low pricing and different common services).

Luderland is in Leverkusen and is part of the RTC chain.

Ludertreff is in Dortmund Applerbeck (used to be club Applerbeck) and is a new member of the RTC chain, if it is still open that is.

Triptogamont

01-22-19, 20:22

My understanding is that LuderLAND in Leverkusen, Porschestr. 9 is an RTC. http://www.fkk-luderland.sex/index.php/homeluderland.html.

LuderANYTHINGELSE is NOT an RTC.

Christian G

01-22-19, 21:13

Is LuderLounge now LuderTreff, part of the RTC clubs?LuderLounge and LuderTreff are 2 different clubs, not the same club.

LuderLounge Unterste-Wilms-Strae 9, 44143 Dortmund.

LuderTreff Aplerbecker Bahnhofstr. 5, 44287 Dortmund.

And yes, LuderLounge is not a RTC, but LuderTreff is a RTC http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3419-FKK-Arabella-Villa-Venus-Sauna-Grimberg-NRW-AO-Clubs&p=2263894&viewfull=1#post2263894

Kuni042

01-22-19, 21:22

Apologies. I find this ISG forum sometimes difficult to navigate- and this looked like the most fitting thread. It won't happen again. And the LL in Do has its own thread.

Luderlounge is still not one of the NRW AO clubs, but I guess that is too complicated for some here.

Wanking

01-25-19, 16:29

Here in Arabella, bit cold, the tight fuckers could turn up the heating.

Around 10 or 11 women, many of the same old crew who are here years. Still a few good looking younger ones. I actually can't remember the names of some of them even though I've fucked alot of them before. Names I remember, Carmen, Anastasia, simona, Nicole, Janina.

Had an amazing hour long session with Anastasia, always have good chemistry with her. Started off with around 15 minutes couch action, and beautiful GFE session in the room. Long 69, licking and fingering both holes lightly. Cunny wet. Long missionary with deep kissing and then more 69 with big cum in the mouth. I know she is isn't everyone's taste visually but she reminds me of a girl at home ID like to fuck but never will.

I didn't take a pill today either, and felt thankful that I'm still alive and able to fuck and cum with a hard cock. Over 30 years banging hoors now. I really need to write a book or reserect my website.

15 euro happy hour entry and 70 for the session.

2 local guys were of the opinion that the service is better in Arabella but the women better looking in Fruede. I agree.

Btw I love to relive my sessions at home in mind when having my luxurious wanks and that session with Anastasia will strengthen the already great memories of our sessions.

Wanking

01-25-19, 23:03

Finished up my day in Arabella with a decent session. Lana 23, absolutely lovely face, big voluptuous type girl. She finished me with an oily wank.

I noticed a few of the girls slyly picking their nose and eating their snots. Carmen, Janina and someone else. I already reported about the girl in F39 picking the lump of wax out of her ear while we were fucking..

Neurosynth

01-27-19, 01:13

Trying to get to the bottom of the "is Ludertreff an RTC or not?" question, I surveyed some german sites. And the information was ambiguous there too. The consensus seemed to be that Ludertreff is not an RTC in the sense of the known members of that collection, but that AO can be found there with some effort. Girls tended to say that AO was against house rules. But let's talk about it in the room. One reported an offer in the room of AO for 100 Euro for 1 hour. However, in https://www.freierverkehr.com there is a discussion of RTC's that mentions Ludertreff in a list of RTCs that includes Luderland, Freud-39, and others.

If someone familiar with other RTCs could report on Ludertreff perhaps this uncertainty could be broken.

Diet Coke

01-27-19, 22:36

Had an amazing hour long session with Anastasia, always have good chemistry with her. Started off with around 15 minutes couch action, and beautiful GFE session in the room. Long 69, licking and fingering both holes lightly. Cunny wet. Long missionary with deep kissing and then more 69 with big cum in the mouth. I know she is isn't everyone's taste visually but she reminds me of a girl at home ID like to fuck but never will.

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Btw I love to relive my sessions at home in mind when having my luxurious wanks and that session with Anastasia will strengthen the already great memories of our sessions.I agree about Anastasia. I was with her last Spring and had been with her a year or so before that. Best service both times.

Vito Corleone

01-31-19, 02:52

Triptogamont

02-11-19, 13:31

VV does not have a happy hour, so I slept in and didn't get there until around 2 PM. Was hoping to see Larissa, as she is one of my favorite working girls. Paid my 30 Euro entry, showered, and up to the main room. Lot of guys and girls hanging around. I recognized Rebecca and Alizeh from Dietzenbach. I guess they have moved up north. There were maybe 10 working girls. No cards up, so I don't know any other names. Rebecca and Alizeh are definitely room-able looks wise. Two other girls looked interesting. One was tall, brunette, pretty face, full lips. I couldn't tell much from her body, because she always kept a towel in her lap and over her stomach. Another was a petite blond with very nicely done fake breasts. I waited for a little bit and Larissa showed up. She usually sits on the couch next to the drink fountains and kitchen. She is very slim, small perky "A" cups. Pretty face. Her teeth are pretty crooked, but that is minor to me, and her only flaw IMHO. I sat down next to her immediately and was pleasantly surprised that she remembered me from last year. She even commented on some physical changes since that time. Plenty of DFK and hand roaming on the couch. She was in no rush to get me to the room. I finally had to suggest it before I burst on the couch. Upstairs to a fantastic room. Larissa never fails to give a great experience to me at least. Plenty of DFK and eye contact. Lots of wrestling in various positions. Explosive finish. Another girl I need to see again this week!

Optimist

02-11-19, 15:16

Trip. We seem to be clones. Larissa at VV. Ivana at Freude. Kathie at LL. All three are reliable top service. How Larissa manages to remember so much about her clients I can never understand.

Triptogamont

02-11-19, 15:51

Trip. We seem to be clones. Larissa at VV. Ivana at Freude. Kathie at LL. All three are reliable top service. How Larissa manages to remember so much about her clients I can never understand.No sir. We are definitely not clones. You are James Bond. I am Maxwell Smart! We just have similar tastes, and you are very generous with your considerable experience. You have recommended most, if not all of my favorite girls. Many many thanks!

Wanking

02-11-19, 22:15

I've stayed here on the last two trips. Its ok for the money, but the beds are shit. 42 euro for bed and basic breakfast. Little bar and restaurant too. Location is good in August Bebel Platz, 5 minutes walk to the tram, 2 stops to Arabella on the 302 tram. Hotel is only a km or so from Arabella. Also very near p3 swingers.

https://goo.gl/R7x38j

Triptogamont

02-12-19, 18:06

After the fiasco at Freude last night, I wanted a sure thing. So off to Villa Venus to see Larissa! Arrived around 1130 or so and saw Larissa sitting on her usual couch as I paid my 30 Euro entry. Happy to pay an "extra" 20 to see that girl! Showered downstairs, then right back up to sit next to her on her couch. Wonderful chat, DFK. She opened my towel and brought me to attention quickly and easily. She got up to get me a drink, and laughed at my slight embarrassment. Nothing quite like sitting naked on a couch, alone, with a raging hard on! Again, she was in no hurry to get me to the room. We talked for a while. Despite the slight language barrier, she is a joy to be around. Eventually, we worked our way upstairs, where we had a fantastic session. As per usual. Her service is absolutely first rate, IMHO. Afterward, more chatting, kissing, snuggling. Call me a fan! When I felt like I was close to abusing her time, I suggested we go back downstairs. She gave me a deep kiss at the desk as I paid, and I went down to the basement in a daze.

I took a shower, then hopped in the sauna. One of the girls was in there. Nothing quite like sharing a small sauna with a naked girl. It was one of the blond girls. Large in the legs, hips, and ass. I would probably never room with her, but it was kind of nice watching her lounge on the bench, glistening with sweat. She left after a couple of minutes, but it was fun while it lasted. Another shower for me, then back upstairs.

When I walked by Larissa, she motioned me over and pulled some loose threads off my towel. Then she reached inside to fondle me and pulled me down for a kiss. Girl knows how to keep a customer!

A little while later, a very strange guy came into the room. He was playing with himself through his towel as he walked around the room, staring at the girls. Eventually, he sat down on a couch, opened up his towel and started masturbating while watching the girls. Um, that's what these girls are FOR, man! I was half tempted to ask if he was Wanking from this forum, but I'm pretty sure that guy left a couple weeks ago. Just kidding, Wanking, but it seemed pretty appropriate at the time! He finally sat down next to one of the girls, but it was very weird for a while.

Eventually, I was ready for another room. I had my eye on the two good looking girls from the other day. But I saw the petite blond with the wonderful body and nicely bought breasts sit with a customer earlier. It was like watching two teenagers at a middle school dance, sitting upright, facing the same direction with hardly any interaction at all. Right or wrong, I tend to think how a girl acts on the couch has at least a little bit to do with how she is in the room. So, I struck her off the list. Maybe one day in the future if I feel like an optifuck.

So I sat next to the pretty girl with the full, pouty lips. She introduced herself as Elena. Very pretty face, long eyelashes. Tattoos of writing on the outside of her forearms. She has some baby damage she tries to hide with a towel, but I think she wears it well. Full breasts, maybe 180 cm in heels. But those lips! Deliciously soft and smooth as I soon found out. She speaks almost zero English, but knows the Monger Alphabet by heart. Luscious DFK on the couch for a long time before I told her to get a key. Up the stairs with my hard on sticking out of my towel. Had a glorious room with her. I only let her stop kissing me so she could suck me for a bit. Then back to intense DFK during mish. Never got to any other position because I didn't want to stop kissing her. Had my tongue and Little Trip buried deep inside her until I couldn't take any more. Beautiful Catholic finish. She did not hang around long afterward to lounge, chat, snuggle. That could have been because there were no paper towels in the room for cleanup. But I got the feeling she's not exactly the true GFE type. Hard to explain, but she felt slightly distant, even when we were intensely intimate. Hope that makes sense. Regardless, I would repeat in a heartbeat. Perhaps tomorrow!