View Full Version : Angelique in ___________: FKK, Partytreff, Sauna Club, AO Club, or Brothel?
Greetings Everyone,
These continued arguments and conflicting opinions regarding what constitutes an FKK / PartyTreff / AO Club / brothel is making it difficult for me to categorize which of these "business establishments" fits into which category.
Therefor, I am posting a series of surveys to determine the specific categorization of each business establishment listed in the Forum.
The survey is not multiple choice because I want a definitive answer to the question. No ambiguities. I don't want to continuously revisit each categorization.
If you believe that a given venue might offer elements of more that one type of venue, then vote for the category that represents the best overall choice based on a preponderance of the evidence, not withstanding any behavioral exceptions that you may have heard of or may have encountered personally.
Of course you are welcome to add comments to the survey thread as you may feel are warranted.
Upon ascertaining a preponderance of the survey responses, I will recategorize the forum's listings as warranted.
Thanks,
Jackson
SwingerLover
08-06-13, 15:16
I suppose this is "Club" Angelique in Viersen?! www.club-angelique.de/
I suppose this is "Club" Angelique in Viersen?
www.club-angelique.de/I assume too, and then this is a clear AO Club.
SwingerLover
08-08-13, 20:11
I assume too, and then this is a clear AO Club.I disagree. Not so much on the AO, which isn't mentioned on the website, but obviously available for 30 extra. But on the "Club" part. I've never been there, but judging from EastGoing's latest detailed report about his visit, it's more like a brothel than a Club. The only thing that would speak for a club is the 20 entrance fee they charge, although I can't figure out what those 20 are for. Are drinks offered and included in that price?
They do an FKK-day now every Thursday. At least for that day, they would qualify as an FKK-club then?
And they also offer escort service, which in my book disqualifies them for any club category. Ergo: Brothel, Bordello, hoe-house, however you may call it.
If Angelique would qualify as an AO-club then Mystic Girls in Remscheid (P4P, AO + 20 , in-house and escort; no flatrate) and other such places would too. (As would the apartments in Krefeld, which are definitely no club, but do occasional AO-flatrate parties.) http://mysticgirls.de/#!/preise
I disagree. Not so much on the AO, which isn't mentioned on the website, but obviously available for 30 extra. But on the "Club" part. I've never been there, but judging from EastGoing's latest detailed report about his visit, it's more like a brothel than a Club. The only thing that would speak for a club is the 20 entrance fee they charge.
And they also offer escort service, which in my book disqualifies them for any club category. Ergo: Brothel, Bordello, hoe-house, however you may call it.Well the website is called
www.club-angelique.de/
Hmmn (head scratch).
So they certainly think of themselves as a club, and I guess if anyone should know then it should be them?
But hey, another place Club-la-luna also offers and escort service.
http://www.club-laluna-moers.de/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=48:h
Is this just yet another example of a place calling itself a club but which you say is not?
Should we be telling them that they need to spend a lot of money changing the signs on their building and their website and putting the word brothel up instead
SwingerLover
08-08-13, 21:43
So they certainly think of themselves as a club, and I guess if anyone should know then it should be them?I am under the impression that the point of this whole exercise here with the Venue Categories is to categorize places as what they are, not just what they appear to be. Like I wrote elsewhere, a place that calls itself an FKK but has no naked girls is a fraud IMO. Even more so than a Sauna Club without a Sauna, because the Sauna is usually not the reason why anybody goes there. That's different with an FKK-club; I think all girls being naked is an integral part of the whole appearance and a reason to go to this specific club. I for one would feel defrauded if the girls in an FKK-place are clothed. But that's a little beside the point here.
Whether they call themselves "Club Angelique" or not doesn't matter for these categorizing purposes here. The point is what they are, not what they call themselves. Judging from the reports, LaLuna is a real club with a Sauna Club system and some flatrate events as well. The escort service is just an additional offer here. At Angelique, the "escort service" (whether it's in-house or elsewhere, like their offer for Dortmund) seems to be the main business system here; and judging from EastGoing's fine report about his visit, there seems to be nothing there which constitutes a club atmosphere. So Angelique is more like Mystic Girls or an yother escort service or hoe-house than like La Luna. The point that they call themselves a club isn't relevant for the purpose of these categorizations here. And I fit were, then Club Heidi in Duisburg and other such places would also qualify as a Club. www.6relax.de/club/name/club_heidi
So we don't need to call them to change their names and signs, they can call themselves whatever they like for all I care, as long as it's not fraudulent or otherwise illegal. But for here and now, I think we're supposed to categorize what IS and not what it only appears to be.
Even the now closed PussyCLUBs got brothel votes ONLY in the survey before I voted, and those were definitely first Partytreffs and later Sauna Clubs before they closed.
I disagree. Not so much on the AO, which isn't mentioned on the website, but obviously available for 30 extra. But on the "Club" part. I've never been there, but judging from EastGoing's latest detailed report about his visit, it's more like a brothel than a Club. The only thing that would speak for a club is the 20 entrance fee they charge, although I can't figure out what those 20 are for. Are drinks offered and included in that price?The whole goal of the new typology is to let peiple know what kind of place they are going too. Not mentioning the AO thing and just call Angelique a brothel, does not make sense, since AO is their core proposition (90% of the customers use this "option, as for La Luna). In fact: if AO was NOT on the option list, Angelique would probably not exist.
What further can make CA a Club, is that you pay 20 euro entrance and you get unlimited drinks for this, plus fruit, plus use of the sauna (o wait, so it is a sauna club?.)
My opinion: if AO in 1-on-1 sessions is the core proposition of a place, it best is categorized as an AO club IMHO.
SwingerLover
08-12-13, 14:43
My opinion: if AO in 1-on-1 sessions is the core proposition of a place, it best is categorized as an AO club IMHO.Unless there are not significantly more field reports on Angelique as there are until now, I think the regular Bareback AO thread will do just nicely for this place, however it might be categorized. I don't think there's a need for a seperate Angelique-thread with so few reports about actual visits.
As for the "Brothels" forum: I think that's obsolete. Reports might as well keep on being posted in the regular Germany forum in the threads of the respective cities. If it is an AO report, then the regular Bareback AO thread would likewise do nicely.
As for the AO-clubs: All AO CLUBS fall into one or two of the other categories as well, there is no "AO Club" per se. So keeping this "AO Clubs" forum makes only sense if it is wanted to keep AO reports out of the other fora and threads. But then ALL AO places should be in that forum; I don't see why AO reports about Bernds Schieferhof should stay in the FKK forum, while Arabella reports get moved to the AO forum.
And since not all AO places are actual clubs, (like the apartments in Krefeld for instance) it would be better to call the forum "AO venues" instead of "AO Clubs". Then it wouldn't matter what type of AO-place it is.
unless there are not significantly more field reports on angelique as there are until now, i think the regular bareback ao thread will do just nicely for this place, however it might be categorized. i don't think there's a need for a seperate angelique-thread with so few reports about actual visits.swinger, my dear little german friend, i think that you are in danger of just looking at the surface only and missing what is really happening underneath.
have you considered that the reason why there are 'few' club angelique reports is because there is no dedicated threads to put the reports that people are writing?
i recently happened to be perusing through a thread about pauschal club bochum when i came across a detailed trip report from a few weeks ago about club angelique. it was just by pure chance that i happened to be looking through that thread. i wouldn't normally look there and so would have missed the report.
there are many partytreff and fkk clubs which have their own threads even though they have had less than 10 posts with the last one being probably 3 years ago. whereas club angelique is seen as an increasingly popular club but which still fairly little is known about it. probably because reports about it are rep001tered amongst various threads like partytreff, fkk, ao, duisburg, etc.
SwingerLover
08-12-13, 16:00
Have you considered that the reason why there are 'few' Club Angelique reports is because there is no dedicated threads to put the reports that people are writing?That might be true. But then the reports must be older than 2 years or mostly posted in the FKK-forum (which I don't read that much) because I read the other threads and don't recall much info on Angelique. The problem with there being no dedicated thread for this place lies in the lack of any suitable forum: It's no FKK-place, most definitely no Partytreff or Pauschalclub, so there was no other forum to write about it than the regular Germany forum. Now there are 3 options to start an Angelique thread (if anyone feels that we need one): The AO Clubs forum, the brothels forum (which I consider to be obsolete) or someone could start a "Viersen" or a "Mφnchengladbach / Viersen" thread in the Germany forum.
If I would have ever been there, I would definitely have put the report into the Bareback AO thread.
As I didn't see any need to start a "BareBackKreis" thread for the 7 or 8 reports I posted, I don't think anybody else saw a need for an Angelique thread until now, (or a Viersen thread) otherwise we would have one already.
I recently happened to be perusing through a thread about Pauschal club Bochum when I came across a detailed trip report from a few weeks ago about Club Angelique. It was just by pure chance that I happened to be looking through that thread. I wouldn't normally look there and so would have missed the report.Http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3165-Pauschalclub-Bochum&p=1438280&viewfull=1#post1438280
Vito Corleone
08-14-13, 19:56
I would call Angelique a small AO club. The place is small, but there is a place to hang out & the entry provides access to the sauna, soda, water (both with & without gas) coffee, snacks, sandwiches & other finger food. Like the previous post, if this place did not provide AO it would not exist.
Yes, I have been here. Ruby & Alice are off the hook. Nice place to visit after a long day in GT. 10 min drive.
SwingerLover
09-16-13, 14:34
it's more like a brothel than a Club. The only thing that would speak for a club is the 20 entrance fee they charge, although I can't figure out what those 20 are for. Are drinks offered and included in that price?It now says on the website that they offer "a pleasant club-atmosphere with free non-alcoholic branded beverages, coffee, as well as small snacks and fruit" for the 20 entrance fee, and that "you can likewise use our Sauna and (from 1-hour room booking on) the Whirlpool/jakuzi as well".
So I have to change my position on this place. With this offer, it now smacks more of a Sauna Club than anything else. And as an AO Sauna Club of course. http://www.club-angelique.de/
It now says on the website that they offer "a pleasant club-atmosphere with free non-alcoholic branded beverages, coffee, as well as small snacks and fruit" for the 20 entrance fee, and that "you can likewise use our Sauna and (from 1-hour room booking on) the Whirlpool / jakuzi as well".
So I have to change my position on this place. With this offer, it now smacks more of a Sauna Club than anything else. And as an AO Sauna Club of course.
http://www.club-angelique.de/Call it what you want Swinger, everyone knows what it really is. That is a club specialising in AO sex and that is what it is known for.
The fact that it has a sauna (probably a small thing that can only hold two people and is totally unused) is an irrelevance. All places that I have visited have had a sauna, even Club La Luna (which was covered over in cobwebs).
Thekenfrau at Angelique would probably be extremely surprised if you came there and immediately asked to use the whirlpool.
Visitors to this place say that as soon as you arrive the girls all come out and stand staring at you until you choose one of them. Also there is nothing much to do once you have had your shag and the place is really small.
Maybe the publicising of the sauna and whirlpool is a reaction to criticism to the club that it is just a fuck and go place. Also I expect that the whirlpool can only hold one or two people and that is why you need to book it.
This place has a long way to go before it gets to the position where people go to it because they can relax in the many large saunas and hot pools before deciding to take a girl to the room.
Lets call a place what it is in actuality.
It now says on the website that they offer "a pleasant club-atmosphere with free non-alcoholic branded beverages, coffee, as well as small snacks and fruit" for the 20 entrance fee, and that "you can likewise use our Sauna and (from 1-hour room booking on) the Whirlpool / jakuzi as well".
So I have to change my position on this place. With this offer, it now smacks more of a Sauna Club than anything else. And as an AO Sauna Club of course.
http://www.club-angelique.de/So I am guessing that they have discontinued with the escort service and nudist days then?
They do an FKK-day now every Thursday. At least for that day, they would qualify as an FKK-club then?
And they also offer escort service, which in my book disqualifies them for any club category. Ergo: Brothel, Bordello, hoe-house, however you may call it.
If Angelique would qualify as an AO-club then Mystic Girls in Remscheid (P4P, AO + 20 , in-house and escort; no flatrate) and other such places would too. (As would the apartments in Krefeld, which are definitely no club, but do occasional AO-flatrate parties.)
http://mysticgirls.de/#!/preiseLooking forward to your next change of mind.
SwingerLover
09-16-13, 18:04
Thekenfrau at Angelique would probably be extremely surprised if you came there and immediately asked to use the whirlpool.It says explicitly (as I stated) that the whirlpool is only available if you book a girl for 1 hour.
So I am guessing that they have discontinued with the escort service and nudist days then?
Looking forward to your next change of mind.No, they still offer the Escort Service on the website, as well as the FKK-Thursday.
And there will be no next change of mind unless they change their offer or change the club's policy. I have never read or heard before that there are drinks and snacks offered and included in the 20 entrance fee, nor do I recall anybody saying anything about some "pleasant club-atmosphere". So this is either new or was silenced to death until now. The German guys to whom I spoke about this place so far all told me that they either went there for a single P4P-AO-session or had to stand in line fully clothed (on a Flatrate day) and wait their turn. So naturally I viewed this place as a brothel.
The new info on the website suggests otherwise now. And since this whole exercise here with the Venue Categorizations is to determine where the club should be listed on ISG, then the most distinct criteria should predominate. Brothel, FKK and Partytreff are out, so what's left is AO Sauna Club. Pretty much like at La Luna in Moers, where the Sauna Club system takes precedence over the 2 Flatrate days per week and the occasional gangbangs. Since Jackson has decided to now list La Luna as an AO club and has moved the thread to the AO Clubs forum, I think that Club Angelique would be best off in the AO forum too, if it had it's own thread. Which I still don't think is necessary because of too few reports. The regular Bareback AO thread should do just nicely.
They have always had free drinks and some very light snacks (some apples, cookies, candy). They do have a small sauna and some lockers for your stuff and wifi available. It really isn't very different from the RTC clubs, Neby, Luderlounge, etc. Usually the girls come out (into the club) when a customer arrives, but if you take your time they might go do their own things.
You can definitely hang out, but it might get boring unless there is some other guys there. My last visit I stayed about 7 hours, with just under half of that in a room. In between I chatted to some guys that were also hanging out; if the girls know you they come by to have a chat, long presales if the girls like you, afterwards you can have some fun with them as well. In the end it was my schedule that made me leave, otherwise I had stayed even longer.
As you say, many guys come in for a quick pop. But staying longer is 'allowed' and can be fun. I should immediately say that it would be very different if the girls I like would have gotten other customers immediately.
Neby, LuderloungeAre these naughty boy places? You know what I mean.
Answer is no; although all clubs can be. But officially nothing of the kind. I do expect it to be more common here than in say Oase or Goldentime (where it also happens) ; maybe because there are many regular guests and almost no tourists. Regardless, high service levels though.
SwingerLover
09-19-13, 12:26
As you say, many guys come in for a quick pop. But staying longer is 'allowed' and can be fun.Okay, if it's offered and doesn't happen that much because of the GUYS, then that's definitely the regular P4P Saunaclub system. Since this place is most famous for the AO action, I think we can label it an AO club and the survey can get closed.
Are these naughty boy places? You know what I mean.I rang them some 10 days ago. No english spoken, a girl speaking a reasonable english was called for talking to me. Unfortunately there were noises in that moment and our conversation wasn't that fluent, but I'm quite sure I understood AO available for 150 euros. I don't know if that was meant to get rid of me, nor to what it could apply, if true (maybe they have days like mondays and fridays in La Luna?) , but the amount shot of course made me greet very quickly, I didn't need to go that far and pay that much, for whatever it could meant to be, if true.
SwingerLover
10-11-13, 10:24
EG, I suppose you called the cellphone number from their website? That's the number for private escorts in and around Dortmund, and it would explain the 150 : "Escort: die 1. Std. 120- zzgl. Fahrspesen" (= escort: the first hour 120- plus driving-expenses) Plus the at this place 30 extra for AO = 150 . Plus travel expenses.
So try again and call the other number of the place in Viersen, then the "Preise in Viersen" should apply, plus 30 for AO of course. http://www.club-angelique.de/
SL,
I know this thread is about Angelique Club, where I have been and reported in July, even if I don't remember in which thread I posted and what I wrote, but I'm quite sure I spoke about the place, the drinks and the "food" (if I'm not mistaken, taunted bananas, and without including mine, LOL!).
Anyway, I was talking about Neby, answering the question of Myrrh. Since I saw their website and couldn't understand if AO was on offer or not, or at what conditions, I gave them a call. :-)
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