Anti-Sex Pervert MathewCob's Disinformation Campaign [Archive] - Page 2

Pete Benetar

08-11-13, 00:15

I am not sure what Mr Cobb's motivation is or isn't, but my guess is he's pulling the fire alarm because he sees a fire.

While the probabilities are low, the worst case downside is so severe, the cost benefit equation does not look good.Not sure where the ulterior motive came from as I attribute that to the trolling FUDster running amok and pulling alarms. If you trust his motives, good for you. As to cost benefits, I think bigger risks lie in pissing off an aboriginal who's carrying. Or having an untoward experience with your aircraft. Why not simply avoid travel to foreign lands, driving or even going out your front door for that matter? Come to think it, staying home and watching TV or whacking off to porn might be the safest alternatives. One lassie on the PG thread got's some real champagne glass titties.

Hmm, maybe I got something to do now afterall. Thanks AR!

MathewCob

08-11-13, 05:17

Pulling the fire alarm seems a good action considering the size of the blaze.

All I have read over the last 200 odd posts is drunken flames and baseless accusations, from some members (the same 5-6).

Not one of these flamers has written a very recent trip report saying I was in Angeles yesterday, went to bars of Fields avenue (walking street) and bar fined girls.

Unfortunately as on most boards many who post have never been to the destination, never will or visited for 2 days 30 years ago and think they know exactly what happening because they happen to have enough spare time to have high post numbers on a board.

Here is the true facts, if you had not already guessed by my trip reports gentlemen.

No bars on fields avenue (walking street) have a barfine option at all, basically nobody can get laid in bars that were designed to get us laid.

Most of the perimeter road bars have gone the same way of no way for us to fuck girls.

Bars are getting raided. 10-12 in the last 1 month only, customers are being kept behind to prove who they are, girls / owners / managers are being arrested.

The Philippine laws have been changed to include all bar girls are now trafficked regardless of age and come under the human traffic laws that can see 20 year sentences if caught.

The mayor / police / nbi has publically stated at the top of their voices, we will end Prostitution in the bars of angeles city, we do not want any type of prostitution here any more, fuck me, it can't get any more clear than that.

Harry the horse is warning of what is happening, Angeles based newspapers, the tv news every other angeles based monger board has row after row of warnings.

The street of Angeles are dead, the bars of Angeles are dead, a very high number of bar girls have left working in angeles bars, shit scared of arrest.

Do you not feel that the fire alarm should be sounded under these circumstances?

Yet we have some on here flaming, and telling all it's a lie, come on down to Angeles, all is well, the chance of you getting arrested is nil.

Wonder if they would put their money where there mouth is and guarantee visitors freedom with a pledge of funds for a defense should any one be arrested, no, guessed not.

Talk is cheap, guarantees are a bit more hard to come by.

At the end of the day, I have no ulterior motives, I have visited aneles countless of times over 20 odd years and enjoyed every moment of it I am simply stating what I have experienced and what is happening as of now for those who might be interested, yes its not good news, but truthful news all the same,

It cost a damn lot of money to travel half way around the world to possibly get laid, whether that be angeles, Pattaya, Jakarta or any where else, do you not feel that those mongers have a right to know the facts and what their options are before spending large sums of money and travelling half way around the world, regardless of the destination,

Now should by some miracle, the higher authorities decide to reverse their decisions regarding no barfines in angeles city, change back the human traffic laws then trust me ill be the first to be swinging from the rafters and to be posting on all the boards of the great news.

Mongerman69

08-12-13, 15:10

So far Dollhouse from Fields and Candy Bar from perimeter. I just paid the barfine directly to the bar as always, and then gave a smallish tip to the girl when she left (again as I always have). Basically nothing has changed.Just a friendly reminder not to include details of bars, and the methods they provide barfines, on open board. Wouldn't take much, for those, with the wrong motives, to pass detailed info to authorities.

WestCoast1

08-13-13, 01:47

Just a friendly reminder not to include details of bars, and the methods they provide barfines, on open board. Wouldn't take much, for those, with the wrong motives, to pass detailed info to authorities.My fault, not his. I should have PM'd him when I asked. However in this case its probably important for all of us to know what's happening there, given the recent drama.

ThatGuy865

08-13-13, 02:42

Just a friendly reminder not to include details of bars, and the methods they provide barfines, on open board. Wouldn't take much, for those, with the wrong motives, to pass detailed info to authorities.I think you are being just a bit paranoid. Do you really think anyone in AC. Who wanted to know if a bar is BFing or what method they are doing. Need to get on a website to find out. They can just walk in. It isn't like you give them a secret handshake. Or password. They are doing whatever method out in the open.

I doubt NBI, CDIG whatever NGO or whomever. Need to come on ISG to figure out which bar is doing bar fines.

They all have offices in Angeles or Manila. With boots on the ground. They raid who ever they want. When they want. Simple as that.

MathewCob

08-13-13, 02:56

So far Dollhouse from Fields and Candy Bar from perimeter. I just paid the barfine directly to the bar as always, and then gave a smallish tip to the girl when she left (again as I always have). Basically nothing has changed.With all due respect Qw123, something about your post does not add up.

You are saying that you just walked into Candy bar on perimeter road, paid a barfine direct to the bar, in front of every one and casually walked out with the bar girl?

Well. Candy bar was involved in a full scale raid last month, for human traffic violations in which a police informer walked into candy bar and bar fined a bar girl using marked money, once the marked money had been received the raiding team were sent in.

Now during the raid, all the girls / mamasuns were arrested and taken to the police cells for some day.,

The candy bar was closed down and padlocked for many days and has recently been allowed to open again by the mayor,

Now as we know, the mayor has a strict no bar fine policy for all bars of Angeles city, so I'm sure by allowing Candy bar to trade again the mayor had read them the riot act of rules that must be followed and gained reassurances from the bar owners that they will play by the rules.

A few short days after Candy bar is finally allowed to open again along comes mr Qw123 walkes straight into Candy bar with a hand full of cash gives it to the first girl as a bar fine and walkes out hand in hand with her presumably to go and fuck.

Sorry, but this makes no sense at all to me, the owners of Candy bar were set up in a very recent marked money full on raid, which could have resulted in the permanent closure of the bar plus a mandatory 20 year prison sentence for the owner should the authorities wished.

The bar girls / mummies were also kept in jail (I'm sure they were terified) and we are supposed to believe that the candy bar owners and the mummies / girls are openly offering cash barfine to who ever walkes in the door? Sorry but I'm just not biting this story, if you claimed that you managed to get a girl from Candy bar by meeting the girl back at your hotel and paying her direct so that the bar does not have to run the risk of marked money and raided again then maybe a small possibility. But accepting cash direct from a punter just does not ring true, sorry.

Pete Benetar

08-13-13, 03:18

the immigration officer looked at my passport / visa and after a thoughtful pause gave me a serious look and asked "why are you here?" to fuck (i said to myself) but stammered "for rest and relaxation".

so enjoy the city of angels and i strongly recommend that un take this place its list of heritages of the world. we need such places to be preserved well not destroyed as mcobb portends.great report dominos and very considerate of you to post. as you suggested, the obfurep001ion and manipulation posed by a clever fudster (fear, uncertainty and doubt) can have very real effects on the decisions one makes in life, whatever the venue.

decent men should not be frightened off by fraudsters, which is what i think of mcobb. it's worthwhile to refute with good reason and call them out. better, visit ac, score some of that very fine pinay poontang and tell us all about it. in any case, thanks again and well played!

WestCoast1

08-13-13, 05:54

Now as we know, the mayor has a strict no bar fine policy for all bars of Angeles city,Mmmmm I think even from your previous reports, you are contradicting yourself. Apparently not all the bars in AC are being hit with mayoral issues, just the Walking area and Perimiter.

The bar girls / mummies were also kept in jail (I'm sure they were terified) and we are supposed to believe that the candy bar owners and the mummies / girls are openly offering cash barfine to who ever walkes in the door? Sorry but I'm just not biting this story, if you claimed that you managed to get a girl from Candy bar by meeting the girl back at your hotel and paying her direct so that the bar does not have to run the risk of marked money and raided again then maybe a small possibility. But accepting cash direct from a punter just does not ring true, sorry.The tête-à-tête is on!

QW?

Qw123

08-13-13, 06:37

With all due respect Qw123, something about your post does not add up.

You are saying that you just walked into Candy bar on perimeter road, paid a barfine direct to the bar, in front of every one and casually walked out with the bar girl?

Well. Candy bar was involved in a full scale raid last month, for human traffic violations in which a police informer walked into candy bar and bar fined a bar girl using marked money, once the marked money had been received the raiding team were sent in.

Now during the raid, all the girls / mamasuns were arrested and taken to the police cells for some day,

The candy bar was closed down and padlocked for many days and has recently been allowed to open again by the mayor,

Now as we know, the mayor has a strict no bar fine policy for all bars of Angeles city, so I'm sure by allowing Candy bar to trade again the mayor had read them the riot act of rules that must be followed and gained reassurances from the bar owners that they will play by the rules.

A few short days after Candy bar is finally allowed to open again along comes mr Qw123 walkes straight into Candy bar with a hand full of cash gives it to the first girl as a bar fine and walkes out hand in hand with her presumably to go and fuck.

Sorry, but this makes no sense at all to me, the owners of Candy bar were set up in a very recent marked money full on raid, which could have resulted in the permanent closure of the bar plus a mandatory 20 year prison sentence for the owner should the authorities wished.

The bar girls / mummies were also kept in jail (I'm sure they were terified) and we are supposed to believe that the candy bar owners and the mummies / girls are openly offering cash barfine to who ever walkes in the door? Sorry but I'm just not biting this story, if you claimed that you managed to get a girl from Candy bar by meeting the girl back at your hotel and paying her direct so that the bar does not have to run the risk of marked money and raided again then maybe a small possibility. But accepting cash direct from a punter just does not ring true, sorry.Dear Matthew,

So you are accusing me of lying? Why on earth would I do that? I may not have posted too often in this forum (mostly in the German FKK forums, since that is where I live and I so I visit those clubs quite a bit) , but I have never lied in any of them. What is the point in posting in a forum with an untruth? Doesn't that rather defeat the point of having a forum in the first place?

I accept the fact that Candy bar was raided, and it was closed down for a few weeks (one of the girls I asked confirmed this). Maybe one possibility for my experience is that I was in the Candy bar in June (and one of the waitresses remembered me) and I barfined two girls on that occassion, so maybe they felt safe that I was a genuine customer and not a plant. But if you do not believe me, how about you fly to Angeles and lets go for a drink there. That would certainly be preferable to being accused of lying, which has never happened to me before on this web site.

By the way, I barfined two girls last night from a large club in Fields Avenue. On that occasion I handed over the money to the waitress, who immediately gave the 2000 peso per girl to each girl individually. That was something I have never seen before, so there are new systems in place for some bars. Basically I accept that raids and incidents have occurred over the last few weeks, and that some practices have had to be changed, but to say no bar fines are possible in any bar does not add up based on my current visit. If you do not believe me, get on the next plane and visit here for yourself.

MathewCob

08-13-13, 07:32

I think you are being just a bit paranoid. Do you really think anyone in AC. Who wanted to know if a bar is BFing or what method they are doing. Need to get on a website to find out. They can just walk in. It isn't like you give them a secret handshake. Or password. They are doing whatever method out in the open.

I doubt NBI, CDIG whatever NGO or whomever. Need to come on ISG to figure out which bar is doing bar fines.

They all have offices in Angeles or Manila. With boots on the ground. They raid who ever they want. When they want. Simple as that.Have to agree with you 100% Thatguy,

Who where and when is all known by the relevent agencies and as you say can strike at will.

MathewCob

08-13-13, 07:40

Mmmmm I think even from your previous reports, you are contradicting yourself. Apparently not all the bars in AC are being hit with mayoral issues, just the Walking area and Perimiter.

The tête-à-tête is on!

QW?Westcoast, the mayors rules of 100% no barfines allowed is aimed at all bars in Angeles regardless of what roads they are on.

What I said is that a very small % of bars are still ignoring the mayors rules, not that there are some rules for some and other rules for others.

Expect more raids on the bars that are ignoring the rules is my honest guess, but lets wait and see, thanks.

MathewCob

08-13-13, 15:49

Just barfined another girl short time from the Candy bar (she just left 30 mins ago). I managed to find out a few more details about what happened in the police raid and the subsequent consequences for the owner of Candy bar (an American apparently, although everything is done through his wife, since she is Filipino. By all accounts a nice guy, at least according to the girl I was with). Anyway this girl was present on the night of the raid, and she got taken to jail like all the other girls present (though her sister was still in her street clothes and managed to flee from the bar!). She and all the other girls were kept in jail overnight, which she clearly did not enjoy, although I am not sure if terrified is the correct word, since she was in a prison cell with all her friends, I think it was just boring (and her first ever night in a prison cell). The police let the American owner bring them food, so they did not go hungry, and all the girls were let out the next morning (with no financial consequences for them, I. E. No fine). The poor Mamasan however was kept there for six days. The American owner had to pay a fine of 50, 000 pesos for the Mamasan, and 10, 000 pesos for each girl employed there (ouch!)..Here's a bit of friendly advice for you QW123,

When a pinay bargirl moves her lips she is 99. 9% of the time telling a pack of bula bula.

Your bargirls explanation of the Candy bar raids is total fiction, if you care to pm me I will give you the web site of where the owner of Candy bar is a member and has recently posted of the recent raid and the re opening of Candy bar.

I can assure you what you have believed and then posted here from your bar girl expert is not even remotely the case.

Now to claim that Candy Bar pays 28,000 pesos to be able to allow barfines is just so far fetched and unreal that its not even worth me bothering to dispute.

The mayor, the nbi, the ngo, s, Harry the horse and every single online board is claiming barfines must end in Angeles city or bars will be raided and closed until the message gets through, even if they have to close the lot, now I and many others have posted the links many times already showing exactly where these things have been stated if you care to look back a few posts.

Trying to state that some how candy bar is allowed exclusive rights to be exempt from the rules for a small payment is just digging your self a bigger hole.

Now please don't think I'm picking on you Qw, I'm not but please if your going to state something you want us to believe, please don't go to an Angeles bargirl for your info, thanks.

Qw123

08-13-13, 17:34

Member #4698

08-13-13, 17:42

Why are you guys still feeding the troll? He will go away if everyone just ignores him and stops mentioning his name. Jackson will eventually get around to banning this guy, but the wheels of justice grind slow. It took a long time for the Pattaya Penthouse Hotel/Kitten Club guy to get kicked off the Pattaya forum, but he eventually got axed when Jackson paid a visit to the establishment and saw first hand what kind of shenanigans were going on there. It was predominately a ladyboy bar. The same fate awaits the false profit of the AC thread when everyone realizes it is business as usual in AC.

The fact remains that AC is still a rockin' according to ALL trustworthy accounts, but if you are worried or frightened by what the fear monger says, then don't come. Prostitution is illegal in the PI. That is what the law says, so go to Pattaya or stay home. More Pinays for the rest of us, thank you.

MathewCob

08-13-13, 18:30

Guys, I am just letting you know my observations from someone who is actually in Angeles right now. However I refuse to enter into a flame war with Mr MatthewCob. This forum is for information sharing, so lets leave it at that.Thanks for your mature reply, I too have no intentions in entering a flaming war with any member of this board including your good self Qw123.

As stated before my replys were not meant as flames in any way.

Thanks

MathewCob

08-15-13, 18:16

local angeles tv reports are claiming that the human traffic teams have busted a cyber sex den in angeles city in yet another under cover raid.

it seems that 6 girls were rescued in total.

most importantly. 3 girls rescued were found to be minors.

the owners of the sex den have also been arrested, held in prison and charges filed in court against them for human traffic violations.

i say, just 1 ****d girl forced to work is 1 girls too many.

now recently we have had some members claim that the higher authorities of angeles are not interested in cleaning up angeles city, that they are just in it for the money (bribes) and that some people are allowed to keep their establishments open while selling / openly taking payment for human trafficked girls by the establishment paying a small monthly fee to those in authority (mayor / human traffic teams).

this case clearly shows that this is a load of rubbish and that the authorities are serious in their mission.

Econo Tech

08-16-13, 04:13

Amadeuss

08-16-13, 07:30

Local Angeles TV reports are claiming that the human traffic teams have busted a cyber sex den in Angeles City in yet another under cover raid.

It seems that 6 girls were rescued in total.

This case clearly shows that the authorities are serious in their mission.UK = 65 Mio people and 32 Mio employed

Fils = 95 Mio people and 29 Mio employed.

MC = Once you focus your international mission on raising the employment rate in the Fils to 50% (47 Mio) , all of those problems would be settled.

But with your limited intelligence you bark on the wrong tree and wish you would fly kite.

Pete Benetar

08-16-13, 07:45

i say, just 1 ****d girl forced to work is 1 girls too many.most all here agree with this sentiment while bemoaning the fact most of your brethren feel quite the opposite toward ****d young boys.

WestCoast1

08-16-13, 14:55

now recently we have had some members claim that the higher authorities of angeles are not interested in cleaning up angeles city, that they are just in it for the money (bribes) and that some people are allowed to keep their establishments open while selling / openly taking payment for human trafficked girls by the establishment paying a small monthly fee to those in authority (mayor / human traffic teams).

this case clearly shows that this is a load of rubbish and that the authorities are serious in their mission.it shows little. when a cyberden was raided in lapulapu, it didn't show the authorities were serious in their mission (it had to do with money and ethnicitity). often there are many such cyberdens in an city / area that the police are aware of, and they don't get busted. how does this case show the seriousness of the authorities? i'm just asking, as they in fact might be serious in their mission. you must have some insider information? btw, i'm not in denial that the authorities might be trying to stop barfines.

given that you're not sure of the 'serious' intent of the local authorities, how does this case show the other guys view is a 'load of rubbish'?

i say, just 1 ****d girl forced to work is 1 girls too many.thanks! that's like telling us that water is wet. not sure how to put this: he's like a preacher, talking to the flock of uneducated. honest matt, most of us are way ahead of you here. maybe start your prostelitizing with: "imho blah blah."

and that some people are allowed to keep their establishments openthis is interesting. by your own claim, the 'no-barfine' thing is happening along walking street. nobody is saying that blow-row is not up and running. or, are you saying santos / raymond are also shut down?

Ekspat

08-16-13, 16:43

a very recent trip report saying I was in Angeles yesterday, went to bars of Fields avenue (walking street) and bar fined girls.EmCee, just scroll down to the report of Pudong Gong, I guess thats what you are asking for?

OralFanatic

08-18-13, 11:35

Local Angeles TV reports are claiming that the human traffic teams have busted a cyber sex den in Angeles City in yet another under cover raid.

It seems that 6 girls were rescued in total.

Most importantly. 3 girls rescued were found to be minors.Note MC's use of the word 'rescued'. That term is only used by IJM and others who are trying to destroy the income of millions of people. I have no doubt MC is part of IJM or some other holier than thou organization that is out to 'save the world'.

No one is arguing the point of using children in this industry but if IJM or any other group wants to stop this sex industry in the Philippines, they should target the 2 components most responsible for the extreme poverty in the Philippines that drives these girls to one of the very few sources of income available to them so that they may feed, clothe, and house their families;

1. The Roman Catholic Church.

2. The rampant corruption in Philippine government and labor industry.

The Philippines is far and away the most religious country I have ever visited. The Roman Catholic Church forbids contraception measures and as a result, the Philippines has a population larger than its natural resources can ever hope to employ and therefore provide families with adequate income. My ex-wife had 17 siblings in her immediate family but if I include the children borne by her father's 2 mistresses, there were 27. With the father, wife. 2 mistresses and 27 children, that makes 31 people to feed on a meager income. Mathew Cobb, you and your IJM ilk would do more for the people of the Philippines if you would hand out condoms or provide money for other contraception measures. But. You believe you are doing God's work and it is better that people starve because it will be done 'in the name of God'. You and your IJM ilk will only add to the misery in the Philippines. You are the problem, not the solution.

You and your IJM ilk may frown on the activities of ISG members but the fact is people like me do more in one week to feed, house, and clothe people than you and your ilk can ever hope to do in a lifetime. If you really want to stop this hobby you will have to shut down the Catholic Church and end corruption in the Philippines first. You will NEVER end this hobby unless you eliminate the reason it exists to begin with. There are two parties to these transactions and until you and your IJM ilk figure this out and eliminate the need for these girls to enter into the transaction in the first place, you are doing far more harm than good. If anyone needs to be run out of Angeles City, it is people like you.

I'll arrive in AC at the end of September and stay for 2 weeks. I have no doubt my activities there will help feed, clothe and house 40 to 50 families. MC and IJM will no doubt be on the other side of town teaching girls how to sew.

Ekspat

08-19-13, 02:29

Any member who has booked tickets with Zest airlines should contact Zest air direct to arrange compensation.Why didn't you put that into "General Info"? What has this to do with Angeles?

Anyway, I had an Zest Air ticket, and got the information about the grounding and the cancellation of my flight to Manila. I booked another flight with a different airline straightaway and flew. Do you really think I waste my time by contacting Zest for compensation? Writing senseless emails or calling numbers nobody picks up? Nonsense, write it off as a loss and move on, you won't get a peso out of Zest. I don't give a sh* about a lousy 65$-ticket.

Having fun with the girls in Burgos now despite rainy days. Life is nice, di ba?

MathewCob

08-21-13, 04:58

please note. this post contains both fact and opinion. unlike some posters, i will make every effort to differentiate and make clear when i am sharing what i know as opposed to what i think / believe / infer. here are facts. they are not subject to debate. they happened. if mc (and we all know who i am referring to) wants to call my credibility into question, so be it. believe me, i have nothing to prove. i am just trying to put actual information "out there" for those who are considering trips. fact. i arrived in ac on monday (my first trip here in two years). fact. i visited one of the larger entertainment establishments on fields avenue. fact. the bar was open, there were girls in it, alcohol was being served. (opinion. the mango smoothie was better than any alcoholic beverage on sale; they should add rum to that thing and jack up the price). fact. bar fines were available. readily available. the term bar fine was actually used. i was not asked to purchase 10 shots of rot gut. there were no "go around" fact. i bar fined a girl. the bar fine was added to my total bill. which i paid. fact. they took my money. fact. i saw many other people bar fine girls from this bar. fact. i observed several men entering the bar with girls (inference. they had been bar fined from other bars and were "bar hopping"). fact. i saw no difference in how things are operating now as compared to my last trip. additional fact. when walking down a santos street (more affectionately known as blow row)...yes, as you guessed i do have to disagree with you 100%.

you are saying that despite over 50 bars having been raided in angeles city in the very recent past, with managers / owners / mamasuns in jail on human traffic charges, many **** girls found working in the bars and charges filed against the owner.

12 bars raided and closed just in the last 1 month

a mayor who has publically stated time and time again, prostitution must 100% end in angeles city and those bars who think they can out smart me will be raided / closed and the owners prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

hillary clinton, who yes is no longer secratary of state but none the less has massive powers to see her promise of ending prostitution in angeles city through to the end.

and yet you are trying to convince us that bars are offering straight out barfines and even adding the barfine to your bill?

after all that has happened recently i doubt any one is stupid enough to blatently add a barfine to a bill when prostitution is illegal all over philippines carrying a mandatory 20 year jail sentence.

now here's a guess, maybe your just an angeles bar owner trying to drum up buisness for your empty bar and growing debts (only a guess).

i'll be in angeles for the third time in just under a month in 10 days, i'll post my trip report while there, but i doubt anything has changed since my last 2 trip reports, maybe i should just copy and paste my last report, i'm that confident nothing has changed, but lets wait and see.

MathewCob

08-21-13, 05:39

I'm now in Manila and next week in AC. Yeah, I'd buy EmCee some cold SML's but I'm afraid it's a no-show.No show? Put your money where your mouth is, I'll happily meet up with you, I am meeting with a big group of friends in Angeles probably around the 30th August, happy for you to drag along, we will barhop on Fields, here's the catch, when you find out that I am not an ngo / do gooder / part of the church and that no barfines are available on Fields Avenue then you can write up your trip report clearly stating that fact and leave the board for good (cancelling all your alias names too).

If girls are available for straight up barfines on Fields Avenue, I'll happily post my trip report stating those facts and will leave the board.

Time to pay the piper or stfu, thanks.

MathewCob

08-21-13, 10:13

Seems that Cebu Pacific have cancelled all future flights from Bangkok to Clark starting from 1st September 2013.

My flight for end of August Bangkok to Clark has just been re routed.

Reply from Cebu Pacific as to why my booking had been changed was due to very low numbers of passengers into Clark Airport making the route un economic.

Flights will now only be available Bangkok. Manila it seems.

Ekspat

08-21-13, 14:16

No show? Put your money where your mouth is, I'll happily meet up with you, I am meeting with a big group of friends in Angeles probably around the 30th August,Let me know in case you're in AC some days earlier. I'm now in Makati, going to AC on Saturday 24th. But my flight back to KL is on 28th already. On your suggested 30th I'm back in Malaysia to see the celebrations for National Day on 31st.

If it doesn't work, maybe another time then.

Cheers!

MathewCob

08-21-13, 14:29

Hey guys,

I will (want) arrive tomorrow 22nd in AC by plane to Clark. Can anybody tell me about the flooding situation in AC? No problem to fly? How about water in the city?

ThanksLucky thet you are arriving at Clark, although the rain is severe it seems that some low lying areas of Angeles are experiencing problems but the main bar areas of fields and perimeter are not flooded as of friends reports today.

For the guys that are flying into Manila and hoping to travel on by road to Angeles then at the moment this is impossible due to severe flooded roads, on many other Angeles boards taxi and hotels are reporting they cannot get through.

MathewCob

08-21-13, 14:37

Let me know in case you're in AC some days earlier. I'm now in Makati, going to AC on Saturday 24th. But my flight back to KL is on 28th already. On your suggested 30th I'm back in Malaysia to see the celebrations for National Day on 31st.

If it doesn't work, maybe another time then.

Cheers!Expat, as posted Cebu pacific have changed my 31st August flight from Bangkok-Clark to Bangkok-Manila.

Might just skip Angeles altogether this trip, spend few days in Manila and just head on to Cebu to see the family.

Please write up your trip report of your stay in Manila as a guide to others, especially me, as I have spent little time here in the past.

Have fun, thanks.

MathewCob

08-22-13, 01:48

I will be in Angeles City this coming weekend. This coincides with the Australia (Wallabies) versus New Zealand (All Blacks) 2st rugby test this Saturday (3. 30pm local time). I would like to watch the game live on a sports bar screen. Any bar like Makati's Howzat Sports Bar in Angeles? I would like to see the All Blacks nail the cross Tasman Bledisloe Cup for another season!

KongKingYes there is, Phillies sports bar, opposite the Clark main gate jeepney stop.

MathewCob

08-22-13, 10:19

Have to sympathise with your views on 1 week millionaires Rick Rock,

Not sure if any member was in Atlantis bar last New Year's Eve, I was, up in the VIP area of Atlantis with a couple of friends.

On the next table sat two Koreans with a group of bar girls to which they were opening countless bottles of champagne and buying cocktails.

On the strike of midnight one of the Koreans gets up, picks up his brief case, walks to the railing over looking the stage and dancers below and empties the whole contents of 5/10/20 us dollar bills from his case onto the girls below, needless to say the girls below made short work of scrambling to collect as much as they could each LOL.

Now even stranger, shortly after, the Koreans pay their bill, bid the girls sitting with them good night and leave alone.

Last night in a very large Pattaya walking st bar a group of Japanese tourists were throwing 1000 baht notes onto the stage in handfuls, tipping the waitress 1000 baht each time she served a round of drinks.

Needless to say the only guys getting all the girls attention was the crazy Japanese guys.

Does it ruin it for the normal mongers who might not be able or willing to throw large sums around, I feel it does to some extent.

But hey to get bar girls attention any where in the world now means ever increasing costs, as some say, the prices in Asia are almost the same as the western world once air fares and hotel costs are deducted.

BionicMan

08-25-13, 17:52

Arrived in AC yesterday

So they must be fathers and daughters on a holiday trip. Or so. Something like that. Probably. No mothers to be seen with those lovely couples, hmmm, I guess they are in SM then for shopping. Probably.You forgot the "Niece" factor. LOL

MathewCob

08-26-13, 02:53

Arrived in AC yesterday and made it through several bars in Fields so far. Countless guys leaving the bars with girls, countless guys walking with girls up and down fields and I saw several guys coming out of the hotel with one or more girls when I had my breakfast today in the morning. But since we all know there isn't any barfining anymore, so they must be fathers and daughters on a holiday trip. Or so. Something like that. Probably. No mothers to be seen with those lovely couples, hmmm, I guess they are in SM then for shopping. Probably.

One girl said to me "we go hotel and I'll make you happy". Huh? What does that mean? Maybe she wants to prepare me some nice food and tell me some jokes. Or so. Must be something like that.

The bad word is still in use, you know what I mean, this bf thing, and I don't talk about a boyfriend here.

Whenever I've asked "how much is (bad-word) nowadays?", I've got a exact number, lets call it a clear quotation with no room for misunderstandings.

Summary: I can't see any difference to my last visit here in June '13.Ekspat, thanks for your trip report, it is exactly down to the letter what I was expecting you to report.

I could have wrote it for you, even before you visited.

Going by your many posts, any truth written on this board on Angeles and you pull a face like taking a bite out of a bitter lemon, I wonder why that is.

Any ways glad your enjoying your trip even though its going 100% against what every one else is reporting from the ground on every board, forum, newspaper, tv.

I'll be in Angeles 1st September and will write my trip report up, I'll apologise now as it probably will not be great for your buisness takings, thanks.

Ekspat

08-26-13, 03:47

The girl (2, 000ps LT) just left, we had a good night, not bad but not sensational either.

I'll be in Angeles 1st September and will write my trip report up,I can write the report for you before you visit, because I know what to expect. Shall I?

Ekspat

08-26-13, 03:59

You forgot the "Niece" factor. LOLHehe, yeah, you're right, lots of "Pretty Women" here.

Wicked Roger

08-26-13, 06:19

Any ways glad your enjoying your trip even though its going 100% against what every one else is reporting from the ground on every board, forum, newspaper, tv.Unfortunately again you are wrong in that this board points to the activity happening and being alive and kicking (very hard).

Where are the links to all the other boards, TVs etc as I am watching the Philippine news every night and there is nothing on AC whatsoever (as RK this is really a speck or in my words the pimple on the a* of an elephant and is a minor problem compared with other 'scandals' at the moment. You have heard of the pork barrel scam MC?)

So please FR and post all the links to support your claims before you arrive in AC as it is important we see the other side of the story. So far you versions of events are completely wrong and proven to be so by countless FRs.

As Ekspat noted your FR will be the same as your previous lot, all doom and gloom but nothing to support. And no photos either to prove to us your were there (something like a WC1 photo will do. You with a girl, in a room in AC. Possible?)

FreebieFan

08-26-13, 07:52

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2401788/Sex-tourism-Thought-just-men-flew-abroad-squalid-sexual-kicks-Meet-middle-aged-middle-class-women-Britains-female-sex-tourists.html

Call our wonderful do gooding IJM mates and tell them to head over to Africa and Central America where well hung young men are being taken advantage of. You can read the rest.

Mathew baby. Your work is done in Angeles. Run away and save these innocent young men. Don't forget to take your "Idiots Guide to sewing a hem" with ya.

Ekspat

08-26-13, 09:05

Now I know fields avenue fairly well and as far as I know there are only two bars that would be open at 3pmSure you know Fields Avenue fairly well. LOL. Just to update you for your coming visit. Open in Walking Street at 3pm Voodoo, Gecko, Lollipop, Valhalla, Dollhouse. Outside of Walking Street but only 1 minute away Bodyshop, Tropix, Angelwitch, Spearmint.

MathewCob

08-26-13, 10:15

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OralFanatic

08-26-13, 11:08

I'll be in Angeles 1st September and will write my trip report up, I'll apologise now as it probably will not be great for your buisness takings, thanks.MC,

Another 'rescue' mission report? Spare us, please. I honestly believe you are in the wrong forum; ISG is for people who sow, not sew.

As for your reference to what other forums, newspapers, TV etc are reporting, you didn't provide any links so I had to search on my own. ISG is the best site for sporting information but I did manage to find 2 other forums with activity reports, PI addicts, and, both of which have no reports of anything other than 'business as usual, just as Ekspat and Slippery said. Please tell us where you are getting your information.

MathewCob

08-26-13, 11:09

Today was an all play and no work day so I started early. As I couldn't decide which one of Cob's two bars to go to at 3:00 pm I hit Paradise, Vodoo, Geckos and Dollhouse, in that order. Of couse Paradise is different but there were several others open within a block two of Fields. It was all business as usual. Got to get back to Manila in the morning. I'm certain that things will drastically change between then and Cob's September 1 visit. Can't wait to hear his next pieces of misinforation.Slippery, misinformation?

I tell it how I see Angeles because I have no monetary gain to bang the drum and hopefully get a few bums on my empty bar stools, unlike some.

Here's the facts, I'd like you to dispute them if you can.

Is Angeles city and the pi on the lowest rung of the human traffic world scale and have been warned things must change rapidly.

Have the USA told the pi that prostitution must end in the pi or they will get zero aid money of which the pi is pleading for the USA to send.

Has the Angeles mayor vowed to end all prostitution in Angeles or all the bars will be closed.

Are there countless agencies / nbi / human traffic league officers all over Angeles and in most bars watching and raiding at will those bars that are offering barfines.

Have Angeles bars very recently been set up in marked money raids by the police in which they closed down the bars offering barfine.

Have over 50% of all Angeles bar been raided and closed (some permanently) over the recent past on human traffic charges.

Are there managers / owners / mamasuns in jail as we speak being charged with human traffic charges and awaiting their day in court.

I could go on for pages and pages but I think you get the point and if you were honest you would have to answer yes to all my questions as you know they are 100% accurate and cannot be disputed (links to all already previously posted if you care to check back)

Every single Angeles based forum except the same 5-6 members of this board is reporting that there are no barfines in Angeles city in most bars, yet we have the same 5-6 members claiming over and over again on this board all is as normal in Angeles, sorry if I beleive my own experiences over the couple of members here who obviously have an agenda to post that all is well and good in ac and will gang up and flame any member who dares tell the truth.

As I say I will be in Angeles in a few days for the third time in 5 odd weeks, now as I have no monetary agenda I would assume I will see the same things as I did on all my other very recent trips, thanks.

MathewCob

08-26-13, 11:54

Sure you know Fields Avenue fairly well. LOL. Just to update you for your coming visit. Open in Walking Street at 3pm Voodoo, Gecko, Lollipop, Valhalla, Dollhouse. Outside of Walking Street but only 1 minute away Bodyshop, Tropix, Angelwitch, Spearmint.Voodoo, Gecko, Lolipop, Valhalla, Bodyshop, Angelwitch?

Surely you do not invest any time bothering to look at the girls of such bars, I gave up long ago due to high numbers of fugly girls (Beach Road Pattaya at best)

Get yourself into Atlantis or club Asia if you want to at least see fairly ok looking girls on stage.

Yes the drinks are more expensive (yours and girls) but if I'm going to fly, pay for hotels and put up with the filth and dangers of Angeles city then I at least want to look at girls that have not spent their life in Jolli Bee or knocking out countless kids while I'm drinking my sml LOL.

But each to their own and I'm genuinely glad your having a nice time, enjoy.

MathewCob

08-26-13, 15:36

MC,

Another 'rescue' mission report? Spare us, please. I honestly believe you are in the wrong forum; ISG is for people who sow, not sew.

As for your reference to what other forums, newspapers, TV etc are reporting, you didn't provide any links so I had to search on my own. ISG is the best site for sporting information but I did manage to find 2 other forums with activity reports, PI addicts, and, both of which have no reports of anything other than 'business as usual, just as Ekspat and Slippery said. Please tell us where you are getting your information.If you read the forum rules you will find we are not allowed to post links to competitors sites.

But any one who has been to Angeles City or any where near Angeles City would already know of the two main Angeles forum boards as they are run by mainly Angeles city ex pats / bar owners / buisness owners and are heavily promoted in all the bars / sites of Angeles city.

Obviously for you not to know or be a member of them you obviously do not have a clue as to whats going on except what you want to believe in your own little bubble.

Book a ticket, actually visit a destination and then you might have a clue, until then, yes the main 2 boards are full to the brim of barfines not being available, even down to some honest bar owner forum members telling of the truth on most boards in Angeles.

But regardless of what I say, what all the boards say, what the papers say or what the news says, you will Oralfanatic not believe, so I'll leave you to your little mind games and little knowledge of any thing Angeles.

MathewCob

08-26-13, 16:27

Unfortunately again you are wrong in that this board points to the activity happening and being alive and kicking (very hard).

Where are the links to all the other boards, TVs etc as I am watching the Philippine news every night and there is nothing on AC whatsoever (as RK this is really a speck or in my words the pimple on the a* of an elephant and is a minor problem compared with other 'scandals' at the moment. You have heard of the pork barrel scam MC?)

So please FR and post all the links to support your claims before you arrive in AC as it is important we see the other side of the story. So far you versions of events are completely wrong and proven to be so by countless FRs.

As Ekspat noted your FR will be the same as your previous lot, all doom and gloom but nothing to support. And no photos either to prove to us your were there (something like a WC1 photo will do. You with a girl, in a room in AC. Possible?)..Yes your correct this board does point to all being dandy in Angeles, that's exactly my point if you read what I said.

As I clearly state, all the other boards are reporting something completely different to the same 5/6 members here, wonder why?

The links to the mayors orders, Harry the horse views, the raiding and closing of bars etc etc have already been posted in previous pages of this forum, go back and check if you refuse to believe, as far as links to other Angeles boards, you been here long enough to know thats strictly against forum rules, not trying to get me banned in order to silence me are you wr.

As for recent photos of me with bargirls naked in my room, again when you read my last two very recent trip reports I clearly state that of the many bars me and my group attended 100% of them had a no barfine policy, so how the hell am I supposed to post naked photos of the girls I managed to barfine when there is no barfine?

Not having a go wr, but please read carefully and think before posting might be helpful to all, thanks.

OralFanatic

08-26-13, 17:56

Here's the facts, I'd like you to dispute them if you can.Sure, no problem. No links allowed but I posted the names of 2 websites before. 1 of which I assume was scrubbed by Jackson's software. Sammy something, you figure it out, and the other is in my post below. Both sites reported 'business as usual'. There are at least 2 people on the ground in AC right now reporting 'business as usual'. Everything I have read points to barfines being available and business as usual. My take on all that? Business as usual.

You constantly mention other websites or news that paints the AC scene in a bad way yet you never post a reference to anything. Yes, Jackson does not allow certain links but I'm sure he would allow the name of a television station, newspaper or at least some type of vague reference to a website. The few references you did make to Harry the Horse comments were 100% false. Give us something to verify your claims otherwise you have zero credibility.

I'm narrowing down my travel plans but expect to be there around the end of September or 1st week in October. One of the reasons I'm traveling to AC is because it is 'business as usual'.

Five10

08-26-13, 18:30

As for recent photos of me with bargirls naked in my room, again when you read my last two very recent trip reports I clearly state that of the many bars me and my group attended 100% of them had a no barfine policy, so how the hell am I supposed to post naked photos of the girls I managed to barfine when there is no barfine?

MC-You are such a transparent fraud. Laughable really.

Socker

08-26-13, 19:30

Wicked Roger

08-26-13, 21:59

Yes your correct this board does point to all being dandy in Angeles, that's exactly my point if you read what I said.

As I clearly state, all the other boards are reporting something completely different to the same 5/6 members here, wonder why?

The links to the mayors orders, Harry the horse views, the raiding and closing of bars etc etc have already been posted in previous pages of this forum, go back and check if you refuse to believe, as far as links to other Angeles boards, you been here long enough to know thats strictly against forum rules, not trying to get me banned in order to silence me are you wr.

As for recent photos of me with bargirls naked in my room, again when you read my last two very recent trip reports I clearly state that of the many bars me and my group attended 100% of them had a no barfine policy, so how the hell am I supposed to post naked photos of the girls I managed to barfine when there is no barfine?

Not having a go wr, but please read carefully and think before posting might be helpful to all, thanks.MC,

I did not read anything wrong. My point is you have not proven anything. Your FR was laughable as you can take girls if you want but as others say you ether have never been to C / Philippines or are part of the moral crusade against bars.

I asked you specifically post all the links from other boards and TV which you fail to do repeatedly as this will help everyone.

Those on the ground including myself a while back disagree. AC may change but so far it has not changed in manner that is a opposite of what all on this board know and are currently writing about.

Maybe the girls don't bar fine you for other reasons. Such as they know you are cheap, are not a great customer, too drunk, smell too much or whatever, but 99% of FRs recently prove you wrong.

HTH et al are saying things may change but they don't point to the absolute destruction of the order as we know and that is why you are asked by me and others to show all the links to all the other boards plus TV coverage to prove your point. You can't, especially TV as there are more important matters of concern.

And as FF said why don't you and your mates go to Gambia or Jamaica etc and rescue the guys in that article, get some balance in your life.

Psychman

08-27-13, 01:03

Ekspat

08-27-13, 02:41

Voodoo, Gecko, Lolipop, Valhalla, Bodyshop, Angelwitch?Yes, and Typhoon and Color bar as mentioned. I just updated you about the opening hours and that was the topic.

I gave up long ago due to high numbers of fugly girlsWhat has the quality of the line up to do with the opening hours? Of course you know Fields very well, I only tried to extend your knowledge further.

Get yourself into Atlantis or club Asia if you want to at least see fairly ok looking girls on stage.EmCee, I've never heard about these clubs. With your vast experience of Fields could you tell me where these clubs are located?

Yes the drinks are more expensiveIs it? Oh my goodness, it's getting from bad to worse.

then I at least want to look at girls that have not spent their life in jolli beeYes, just look at them. Fair enough. Because, as we all know, no girl is willing to go with you.

I'm genuinely glad your having a nice time, enjoy.Indeed, I have a nice time, don't worry.

Guys, I'm out of this. For me it's end of discussion. But I won't put MC on ignore, I'll follow his posts further just for my amusement. And of course, learning more about Fields Avenue from a true champion.

Greetings from AC!

Slippery

08-27-13, 07:27

Perhaps use of the word "misinformation" was used as a euphimism for the word "lie". I saw what I saw and comfirmed same by physically walking into the 4 places I mentioned. They were all open and doing business as usual at or around 3:00 pm I can walk fast and drink fast which is why I say "at or around 3:00 pm What in the world do my objective physical findings have in relation to USA foreign policy? Frigg'and nothing! I saw what I saw and physically and objectively confirmed what I saw unless I was halucinating and that's highly unlikely. What's wrong with reporting what I saw? Di ba?

Can't wait to read your 9/1 et. Seq. Angeles reports. Liar liar pants on fire.

WestCoast1

08-27-13, 07:39

Voodoo, Gecko, Lolipop, Valhalla, Bodyshop, Angelwitch?

Surely you do not invest any time bothering to look at the girls of such bars, I gave up long ago due to high numbers of fugly girls (beach road Pattaya at best) Speak for yourself. Gecko, Valhalla, BS, and around the corner from AngelWitch I've pulled from multiple times. Some of those scrawny cuties are posted in the PG.

Get yourself into Atlantis or club Asia if you want to at least see fairly ok looking girls on stage.

Yes the drinks are more expensive (yours and girls) but if I'm going to fly, pay for hotels and put up with the filth and dangers of Angeles city then I at least want to look at girls that have not spent their life in jolli bee or knocking out countless kids while I'm drinking my sml LOL.I'll admit, the girls in some bars are better-looking than in others. And each gent will have his own opinions. But you previously stated that all the bars in AC were no longer barfining, as you and your friends had checked them. But now it appears you selectively stay out of some.

Also, you have not answered the question asked previously: why are the blow-row bars and the bars down Constain street (around the corner from Angelwitch) still barfining?

X Man

08-28-13, 13:18

I second that motion!

No amount of logic will shut this guy up.

SNIP.

Let it go already.

MathewCob

08-29-13, 03:11

The very popular Crow bar which was recently renamed Anzac bar in Subic bay has been raided by DICG officers.

The DICG officers paid for a barfine using marked money, as soon as the marked money was received the raiding team went in.

The whole staff including manager / mamasun / bar girls were all arrested and taken away under the human traffic laws to await their fate.

Looks to me like the higher powers are not just happy with their clean up of Angeles city, they have now widened their net to include Subic bay also.

Psychman

08-30-13, 00:13

MathewCob

08-30-13, 03:14

anzac bar which was recently raided and closed by the dicg using marked money in a set up scheme.

1 girl was found by the raiding team was a minor, when will these bar owners learn to not just look at profit/ greed and safeguard the monger by making 100% sure their bargirls are not minors.

up to now, some 80 girls have been found and have been rescued from angeles city bars after they were raided and closed by the dicg in recent raids.

here's the problem for us mongers.

clearly the bar owners do not care if they employ minors in their bars by the high numbers found in recent raids which means if by some means a punter should have sex with one of these minors the shit could hit the fan big time for the punter.

i say, keep on raiding if this means **** girls will not be trafficked and the punters possible freedom guaranteed should the shit hit the fan.

easy way to be 100% sure a girl is of age is to pay the few pesos to have the bargirls examined by a dentist, for the unbelievers in dental technology to determine age then google is your answer, wikipedia lays the facts out plainly.

Amadeuss

08-30-13, 08:11

Newbies. Pay no attention, there is no cleanup in AC; this man is lier and a troll. Folks if we keep labeling his posts as such, he won't do any harm to those who do not know.The raid did happen as Mc wrote. The facts are correct. Be careful calling someone a liar. Except you can prove otherwise.

But for us mongers more important is, that it was in Subic town. 5 km off our usual hunting ground in Bario. Nothing to do with the expat-bars there. Anzac bar was, despite the name, a pure Phillipine bar. The whistleblowers were locals.

What we can learn in the present environment? If you see 2 or more Pinoys in a bar, better move on.

Psychman

08-30-13, 22:39

The raid did happen as Mc wrote. The facts are correct. Be careful calling someone a liar. Except you can prove otherwise.

But for us mongers more important is, that it was in Subic town. 5 km off our usual hunting ground in Bario. Nothing to do with the expat-bars there. Anzac bar was, despite the name, a pure Phillipine bar. The whistleblowers were locals.

What we can learn in the present environment? If you see 2 or more Pinoys in a bar, better move on.The raid happened; yes. However, his analyses and misinterpretations are based upon a clear agenda and a distortion of facts. Read all past posts, and yes, I was being VERY careful in my calling him a liar. Read all his posts, and then assess.

MathewCob

08-31-13, 04:41

the raid happened; yes. however, his analyses and misinterpretations are based upon a clear agenda and a distortion of facts. read all past posts, and yes, i was being very careful in my calling him a liar. read all his posts, and then assess.distortion of the facts?

the facts are the facts, despite if some do not like them or agree,

over 50% of all bars in angeles have been raided in the very recent past,

in over 80% of these raided bars **** girls were founds, some as young as 14 years old,

any person who does not agree that raiding bars that employ **** girls is a good thing should seriously look at their motives for why they stamp their feet / cry liar when bars are raided and **** girls rescued.

bars are being raided, **** girls found, barfines outlawed by the mayor / police, the usa is adamant they will end barfines and human traffic in angeles is all part of what is going on as of now, some might not like it, some might even cry liar,

nevertheless it's exactly what is happening and will continue to happen in angeles city imho.

WestCoast1

08-31-13, 07:21

bars are being raided, **** girls found, barfines outlawed by the mayor / police, the usa is adamant they will end barfines and human traffic in angeles is all part of what is going on as of now, some might not like it, some might even cry liar,

nevertheless it's exactly what is happening and will continue to happen in angeles city imho.still doesn't explain why only certain bars are being raided, and others ignored.

MathewCob

08-31-13, 08:02

still doesn't explain why only certain bars are being raided, and others ignored.bars of all types have been raided westcoast not just 1 type,

all the biggest angeles bar groups have had bars raided,

the korean owned, british owned / aussie owned, pinoy owned, german owned have all had bars raided,

i think you will find no particular type or group of bar has been spared,

if the powers that be, mayors office, police, ngo groups, human traffic team hear of **** girls being exploited by the bar owners of angeles city then quite rightly the bars are set up using marked money and closed down and the owners / managers prosecuted,

is this going to continue, you bet it is and rightly so in my book.

Western787

08-31-13, 08:13

Still doesn't explain why only certain bars are being raided, and others ignored.That is true, however most disturbing is the fact the Philippine government has yet to clearly define what exactly "[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)" is.

If this was all really just about guaranteeing the dancers were all 18 and over, seems to me the government (in close cases) could simply add dental checks to provide a double check.

The worldwide witch hunt appears to be expanding not receding, and take note as a possible bellweather that the (German pharmaceutical entrepreneur) Global Nanpa guy who had dumped a lot of funds into setting up an international upmarket (adult oriented) video travel site, all of a sudden in June of 2013 turned everything into his own personal blog, with access to no one else. His video operation was based out of Bangkok, and made excursions all over southeast asia to among other places Indonesia and the Philippines focusing on the 5 star level experience. Looks to me like he's been advised to seek safe ground during the upcoming storm. Also, I do know they're going after in the USA adult tour operators under the "[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)" catch-all

WestCoast1

08-31-13, 16:34

It is same same in AC as in years past. These raids happen every low season. The only difference is here on the forum, we have the presence of a serial troll this rainy season. What a dick or what a carnival clown, depending on your point of view.
Yep, whatever it is, it certainly isn't a 'cleanup'. More like the annual low-season shakedown. Just look back over this forum. Two years ago, when there was an especially nasty crackdown I remember assuring someone here that no, the sky was not falling. And sure enough, by high season everything was back to normal in every way. Just get used to it, it's the way AC works. The bars make their money in season and the cops make theirs off season.Somewhat going to disagree. Going to give MattCobb some credit here. The crackdowns have been higher in frequency here. And harsher with more arrests. Its possible Matt, in the long-run, might be correct. But:

That is true, however most disturbing is the fact the Philippine government has yet to clearly define what exactly "[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)" is.The question about why only certain bars were being hassled, and others ignored, is aimed at MC. You have an answer for everything else, but your theory that Mother-USA's anti-trafficing ideas are influencing this does falls apart when certain bars are not being hassled by the mayor's office. When I was there less than 2 months ago, the crackdown was already underway, with many bars having changed their barfine procedure (buy 10 drinks, or meet the girl outside and pay the next morning, etc). However, certain bars' mamas were telling me that while they were aware of other bar's problems with the mayor's office, their bar had been left out of everything. Matt, answer the question. Why are certain Fields bars still using a regular barfine, and other Fields bars (and side street Constain. Corner where AngelWitch is) having alternate barfine methods, and Santos / Raymond street bars having regular barfines (and still are)? Also, a block further west, towards perimeter, Teodoro street. It has a bunch of (legit) massage places, and 1 block or so off Fields is a small 'Wow Bar' type place that was barfining at 1400 LT 12 hours.

If this was all really just about guaranteeing the dancers were all 18 and over, seems to me the government (in close cases) could simply add dental checks to provide a double check.Its a thought, an added check. But that is an added expense. And its not accurate-enough yet to definitively tell age. No forensic dental expert can tell the difference in teeth when examining a 17 year-old vs an 18 year-old. If she's running 18 next week, do her teeth magically change in a week on her birthday? There is a process of examining lines (similar to trees) on the root of a tooth for age approximation, but the tooth must be extracted ("Which one you want me to pull, hun?") , and the process not considered scientifically accurate. The idea of the authorities using dental forensics to tell girls ages is a bit silly? OTOH, if a dentist examines the girl's teeth before hiring, and (somehow) determines she is not 18, it might be reason to not hire her in the first place.

MathewCob

08-31-13, 17:45

MathewCob

08-31-13, 18:18

Westcoast, thanks for the maybe I could have a point vote LOL,

You asked why some bars might be able to still offer barfines while some are raided,

I really have no exact answer or knowledge if some bars are being given special treatment, I have not heard or seen of any.

Seems to me that the mayor has laid down the law to all the bars equally, almost all the big bars have stopped barfines but maybe some small bars are still offering a work around (pay girl later, buying multiple drinks) and taking the chance rather than certain bars having immunity.

All I can tell you for sure is of the 15 or so most popular Fields bars I visited on my last bar hop none had barfines available of any type.

Are there bars going against the mayors wishes, I'm sure there are a very few, but my gut feeling says that they will be raided in the not too distant future too.

I'm leaving for the Philippines and maybe a short Angeles visit in few hours time, I will ask around the bar owners I know and the many ex pats and try to see if any bars are getting special treatment and report if I get any imfo.

Western787

08-31-13, 20:53

I returned from AC a week ago. Here were my experiences. One bar (on Fields) used the term "bar fine." They added the cost directly to my bill. One bar (on Fields) had me hand the money directly to the girl (in the bar). She then went upstairs, divided the cash between her and the house, changed and exited with me. One bar (on Perimeter) had me order 10 shots of some swill in exchange for exiting with a lovely lady. The two bars that didn't use the term "bar fine" corrected me when I said it aloud."No bar fine sir." Without taking another breath, however, they then explained to me what I need to do if I wanted company for the evening. I met two bar managers. Both Australian. Who were quite nice. Each one bought me a drink after I had purchased one for myself and a few drinks for the girls (some of the bars have 100p drinks for their cherry girls. It's quite reasonable really. You get a little company at a reduced price and the house is grateful). As always, the beauty of the girls ranged from "not even for free" to "too pretty to be working in a bar." In truth, most girls fell somewhere in the middle. Even with it raining for 4 straight days, AC was alive and well. The only way you are not getting laid in this city is if you try not to. The people who don't read this board would find the conversations around the end of times in Angeles to be hysterical. I am sure they hope you all stay away. More for them.Actually the "hysteria" for years on this issue has come from the [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) zealots, who now have total control of US State. Meanwhile the mainstream media continues to parrot back every ginned up, half baked, or literally made up "stat" without even a cursory review of any of these claims. If the NGO's had their way, they would shut down all P4P worldwide under the guise that only a (arguably ignorant and intellectually inferior)"trafficked" or "self trafficked" woman would ever engage in such an act. Since they can't get that, the next best strategy is to claim that bar fines in and of themselves are proof of trafficking regardless of age, but I don't even think Philippino authorites over the longer term are quite ready to buy that nonsense either. I suspect at some point govt authorties will push back basically saying "if the girl is 18 or over and she gives consent, the presumption is she's not trafficked" But understandably they are now trying to play both sides of the fence to keep the radicals running US State happy. Meanwhile "[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)" basically can mean anything the govt says it means.

As for Mr Cobb, his basis premise that this is not business as usual seems correct and Harry's the Horse's recent comments, though nuanced, affirm this.

"Bruce, I see you provided a couple of links, one to an article about 30+p girls being 'rescued' in a club in Manila. Note the use of IMJ again. Then a second link to 'Stickman' who writes a column in Bangkok and then after a few days of visiting in AC declares the end of 'mongering' here and advises no one to visit anymore. Then you ask what I think? I believe I wrote enough of my opinions in last months column and do not want to repeat myself to death. You say the Orchid Inn group has not responded to your question. Well, they are like me and every other bar owner here, no one knows the future for sure. Has the economics of Angeles City progressed to such heights that it is no longer necessary to fleece the Golden Goose? Maybe! Are those in powerful political positions rich enough now from other sources that those golden eggs are no longer needed? Maybe. Do some local law enforcement agencies still need a bit of petty cash from the Goose? It appears so. Are the girls scared? For sure! Are bar fines gone? Technically, yes! Is Fields Ave dead? No, No and No, at least not yet. For every problem there is a solution, lets see what the rest of the year is like. Are you safe here Bruce? Yes. Is it different in Barrio Barretto? For now, yes. Remember one thing Bruce, the ladies here are still better looking, friendlier and speak better English then in other locations. Don't give up on AC, not just yet anyway and by the way, the Stickman comment about the age difference of ladies in the hotels is inaccurate. It is applicable to ladies under 18. Maybe the Stickman is trying to drum up business for Pattaya and Bangkok)"

WestCoast1

08-31-13, 21:45

For the 5-6 forum members that are constantly saying / posting all is well and the same as before in Angeles bars and barfines are available in the bars might want to read Harry the horse September 2013 news letter,

Funny how Harry the horse who has lived in Angeles city for over 20 years and is an Angeles bar / hotel owner (so has plenty to lose) who writes a monthly news letter on all that is happening in Angeles agree 100% with what I been saying all along which is absolutely no bar fines are available in Angeles city As of the last couple of months.No Harry is not saying that. Read on:

As for Mr Cobb, his basis premise that this is not business as usual seems correct and Harry's the Horse's recent comments, though nuanced, affirm this. SNIP.

Are bar fines gone? Technically, yes! Is Fields Ave dead? No, No and No, at least not yet. For every problem there is a solution, lets see what the rest of the year is like. Are you safe here Bruce? Yes. Is it different in Barrio Barretto? For now, yes. Remember one thing Bruce, the ladies here are still better looking, friendlier and speak better English then in other locations. Don't give up on AC, not just yet anyway and by the way, the Stickman comment about the age difference of ladies in the hotels is inaccurate. It is applicable to ladies under 18. Maybe the Stickman is trying to drum up business for Pattaya and Bangkok)"Thank you, thank you, thank you 787 for posting part of Harry's September newsletter. Matt, are you and I reading the same newsletter? Harry is saying that while the barfine is dead (or dying) , other methods of getting around the barfine (pay directly to the bar on the bill) are in place. Below is a letter written to Harry, and his response (in bold) :

The bar scene, as we KNEW it, Harry, I'm afraid. Is GONE, Over! (Gone with the Wind) , and we will have to re-invent, reorganize everything, We'll have to be. Smarter, more ingenious, (luckier?) , than the Cops, CIDG, IJM, etc, if we hope to survive, at all! As it stands now, the deck is STACKED against the Bar owner, and poor girls, as well. Not good, at all, Harry. Let's try another way to play the old game, shall we, before we 'fold' our cards. And go home! Take care, my friend! Danny Long. (Kenny Rogers sang, 'know when to fold them' and right now the game is still on. Deal the cards!)

From Harry, another writer asks Harry about the situation, and Harry's response (from the same September newsletter) :

Do you think in Sept. You could relate a little more about this strange phenomena like as what is the new SOP now besides down-home charm and good-smellin breath? In relation to the customer and the apple of his eye? Wow, the girls must be really pissed. Some of us only get down there once every year or so and would like to get a feel ahead of time before we land on what to expect. Thanks as always for the great circular and all the best to you. Joe (Joe, the rules are a bit different now but where there is a will, there is a way. I walked Fields Ave one night last month and I can assure you that you will still be able to enjoy your visit here. Just don't ask me for details)

When Harry says: "Don't ask me for details", he is hinting at the alternative barfine methods (ie. 10 drinks, paying the next morning, etc). Un hombre loco. Am I missing something?

OralFanatic

08-31-13, 21:51

mc. i don't know who you are, but you are not a true member of this community. you are working with ijm, preda or some other holier than thou organization. your 'efforts' will make things worse, not better. i said in one of my previous posts, shut down the catholic church and end corruption in the philippines and then you'll be on the path to ending prostitution in the pi. the catholic church and other religious fanatics such as yourself are responsible for the overpopulation (and therefore extreme poverty) in the philippines and the primary reason filipina's turn to scenes like this to support the offspring they couldn't afford to have in the first place. if the catholic church would permit birth control in any form, you wouldn't see the overpopulation in the pi and maybe people could better afford to feed their children. look in the mirror (mc) to see the real culprit behind prostitution; people like you are to blame.

this effort to end prostitution is laughable and people like mc will only cause more harm. you don't have to look any further than the us to find an example of what happens when le cracks down on prostitution; they simply drive it to other areas. you don't really think for a nanosecond you can end the world's oldest profession do you? these filipinas will still need to eat and they won't be able to survive on the income from sewing shit so they'll still be selling bunda. only it won't be in a controlled environment, it will be on the street, dia, tagged, cl, or any other source that spreads it out so much the authorities won't stand a chance. look at the us and cl and backpage. i remember picking up sw's right in front of a police car just 10 years ago in some areas. the authorities cracked down and now the girls need to be more discrete if they're 'walking' but they can turn to other venues to sell their wares. the authorities didn't even slow it down here and you and your ilk have zero chance of ending prostitution in the philippines. if they can't slow it down here, what makes you think they can stop it in the poverty stricken pi?

if they do manage to shut down some of the bars, these girls will be selling bunda somewhere, that is 1 thousand % guaranteed. what you will see is a rise in the number of **** girls and a rise in std's and hiv, guaranteed because the authorities will no longer control anything. these girls get health checkups and age verification now, but under your nightmare approach, all this will end. anyone who has been in ac has seen the 'cards' these girls wear if they work in a club. these cards are issued by a angeles city hall employee who only does so after verifying the girls age using pi government documents. if any of these girls are **** and have a card, why aren't they arresting city hall employees too? they are complicit.

wait until you push all these girls into the street scene and see how much worse you will make things. someone needs to name a communicable disease after you mc.

Slippery

09-01-13, 00:47

MathewCob

09-01-13, 03:32

Westcoast, yes we are reading the same Harry the horse news letter,

As you clearly posted Harry the horse wrote 'Barfines are technically over'

I think that statement says it all in a nut shell,

Of course Harry the horse is not going to slam the barn door fully shut and totally ruin his own business and lively hood so he gently hints that other means may at times be possible, he has to say this to keep the game slightly alive, he would be totally stupid not to as that would mean his own financial ruin,

What we should take from all this is that even an Angeles bar owner who has many vested interests in barfines being easily available is clearly saying things are rapidly changing and barfine is technically over.

MathewCob

09-01-13, 03:54

oralfanatic wrote,

if they do manage to shut down some of the bars, these girls will be selling bunda somewhere, that is 1 thousand % guaranteed. what you will see is a rise in the number of **** girls and a rise in std's and hiv, guaranteed because the authorities will no longer control anything. these girls get health checkups and age verification now, but under your nightmare approach, all this will end. anyone who has been in ac has seen the 'cards' these girls wear if they work in a club.

oralfanatic, i have to totally disagree with you,

the weekly check ups that bar girls receive are a total farce, they are merely a pap smear test (cancer screening test) where a cotton wool bud is wiped on the bar girl's virgina and looked at under a microscope,

it has nothing to do with safe guarding the punter from stds or aids at all,

to test for stds or aids then a blood sample would have to be drawn from the bar girls and sent off to a lab for analisis, which is clearly not the case so does not safe guard the punter in the slightest,

as for the girls being licensed, again another total farce, the only people who gain from licenses is the authorities who take the money, it 100% does not guarantee a girls age or to be able to sell her body, prostitution is 100% illegal in the pi,

the only sure way of determining a girls age is by dental identification same as the authorities use when they rescue **** girls from the bars and costs just a few pesos but the authorities / bar owners refuse to do these checks to safeguard the punter,

as for addressing the rest of your rants, i'll just say, you are clueless my friend, thanks.

WestCoast1

09-01-13, 19:22

westcoast, yes we are reading the same harry the horse news letter,

as you clearly posted harry the horse wrote 'barfines are technically over'

i think that statement says it all in a nut shell,

of course harry the horse is not going to slam the barn door fully shut and totally ruin his own business and lively hood so he gently hints that other means may at times be possible, he has to say this to keep the game slightly alive, he would be totally stupid not to as that would mean his own financial ruin,

what we should take from all this is that even an angeles bar owner who has many vested interests in barfines being easily available is clearly saying things are rapidly changing and barfine is technically over.thanks. you're making my case. so now you are saying that harry is barfining (a bf includes paying money directly to the bar, buying 10 drinks, meeting the girl outside and paying later, or any alternate method of payment, etc). a contradiction from what you wrote below. you should not use sweeping generalizations.

funny how harry the horse who has lived in angeles city for over 20 years and is an angeles bar / hotel owner (so has plenty to lose) who writes a monthly news letter on all that is happening in angeles agree 100% with what i been saying all along which is absolutely no bar fines are available in angeles city as of the last couple of months.
as for guys claiming barfines are possible in angeles city then all i can say is these guys must have vested interests in saying these things.

the truth is that there are 100% no barfines in the bars of angeles, check out any of the major angeles forums and you will see hundreds of posts stating the same. =======================================================

the only sure way of determining a girls age is by dental identification same as the authorities use when they rescue **** girls from the bars and costs just a few pesos but the authorities / bar owners refuse to do these checks to safeguard the punter,explain to us how dental i'd determines exact age? you said: "sure way". another sweeping generalization?

OralFanatic

09-01-13, 19:51

mc, you are absolutely clueless. you can estimate age with dental forensics but you cannot determine age, period. in the age group we're talking about, estimation can be off by as much as 5 months (that's an average) but there have been cases where they were off by as much as 5 years. what is your purpose making comments like this? you have no place on this board at all. you sound like susan bryce resurrected. misinformation; that's all you got mccobb.

the bar girls have weekly checkups for std's and monthly checkups for hiv. the girls are required to register yearly for their cards but the age verification is only performed the first time they apply for one. virginity is checked once a month for those carrying the 'v' cards. here's a link to an ac government document.

http://www.pnac.org.ph/uploads/documents/publications/298-11-strengthning

%20angeles%20city%20aids%20council. pdf.

here is a link to a us embassy cable detailing the health checkups of gro's. either the us government or mccobb is lying. i don't trust either one but i'll go with the us government information on this one.

http://www.cablegatesearch.net/cable.php?id=09manila1827

here's a report about std's (the pi uses the term sti) being discovered. i wonder how they can discover these things while only doing a pap smear?

http://www.margaritastation.com/readfull.php?m=481

i found this article while surfing the net looking for ac info (can't post a link as it may be a competitor). you'll immediately note the similarities on the raids, but make sure you check out the date. keep dreaming mccobb; you and your ijm or preda ilk will never shut down the sex trade in the pi.

9/9/07 witch-hunt for ****d in the philippines (date appears incorrect but i just cut and pasted)

blue nile group raid. angeles city.

from angeles city news june 2007:

this raid, like several recent raids, did not comply with many of the legal requirements that should be followed by the nbi (similar to our fbi) when conducting an inspection or a raid in any city. in addition to not notifying the local government so city police could accompany the nbi on the raid, this time they took it a few steps further by detaining customers, pointing firearms at customers, threatening customers, and even attempting to arrest customers wives and girlfriends. fortunately, no one was injured and all the customers were released after 2-3 scary hours. five buses were brought in and 334 employees were taken to manila. the majority were released within 24 hours without formal charges being filed. as of the date of this newsletter 2 foreign managers and 5 local floor managers were still being detained.

later followup report: angeles city news september 2007:

the seven individuals spent a total of five weeks in jail and all eventually all charges against them were dropped and the case dismissed.

Slippery

09-01-13, 23:17

Who ya crapp'and Cobb? Like a dental exam is going to establish within a reasonable degree of medical certainty whether somebody is 18 years and two months or 17 years and 10 months. And BTW, we are eagerly awaiting your 9/1/13 report.

MathewCob

09-02-13, 03:43

Oralfanatic, again have to totally disagree,

I think all that have actually accompanied a bargirl to their weekly hygiene smear test or have asked a bar girl about it clearly know that it is only a smear test and nothing else, no blood is ever taken in any of the visits, that's just fact, ask and see,

Please explain, how an Angeles bar girl is is checked for stds and aids when no blood work at all is done at weekly hygiene,

You therefore are claiming that stds / aids can been found by a pap smear test only without a blood test, totally clueless,

Your further claim of cherry girls being checked every month is pure fabrication too,

For a girl to be given a v card (virgin) all she has to do is attend hygiene the first time she starts working bar and verbally claim she is a virgin, she is absolutely not checked at all in this first visit, just her word is taken, she is told to report back in 3 months,

3 months later the maybe virgin goes back to hygiene and claims she has menstruation so again is not checked and again asked to come back in 3 months time, this goes on and on, fuck me some girls in Angeles bars claim they are virgins at 35 years old and have worked bar for 5 years, I suppose you believe in this fairy tale too.

The only guys I have ever heard telling others that girls are weekly / monthly screened for std / aids and girls with a v badge are virgins are Angeles bar owners trying to drum up business for their failing bars,

Only a fool would believe a bar owner would pay upwards of 2000 pesos per week for each bargirl to have blood work done, thats how much blood test for std / aids screening costs in angeles at any clinic / hospital, again pure fact,

If you times 2000 pesos per girl by some bars have 500 girls working for their group then that's a million pesos a week spent just on blood work alone,

Again if you knew anything about Angeles city or how the bars worked you would know that a hygiene test for each girl is only charged at 20 pesos per girl, paid for by the bar, how then do you explain blood for std / aids screening work being done for 20 pesos when the cost is 2000 pesos each time,

On to dental screening, again your guessing at the facts, dental screening is accurate up to a 3 month age difference (yes that accurate) claiming it can be up to 5 years is not fact, google it and see, the facts are all there for any one who wants to learn the truth,

By the way, the links you posted don't work either, wonder why?

MathewCob

09-02-13, 04:07

who ya crapp'and cobb? like a dental exam is going to establish within a reasonable degree of medical certainty whether somebody is 18 years and two months or 17 years and 10 months. and btw, we are eagerly awaiting your 9/1/13 report.dental checks are accurate up to 3 months difference in age, that's just fact, google if you don't believe,

so yes it can tell the difference between an ****14/15/16 or just over 17 years old girl and an 18 year old legal girl, yes it would be better if dental exams were accurate up to a couple of hours but they are not, so at the moment it's the best we got and is used / believed by the philippine authorities widely, so why are bar owners not paying the few pesos they cost to protect their punter, exactly, pure greed and could not give a shit attitude imho,

now if a dental check came back that a certain bar girl was slightly under legal age then the authorities would probably let it go with no prosecution, nevertheless a dental check on all girls would sure as hell protects us from the greedy bar owners that seem to have a constant supply of 14/15/16 year old girls working in their bars, hence the constant bar raids and countless **** girls rescued as of late.

Fast Eddie 48

09-02-13, 04:28

Corn Cobb is coming to town today as per his recent announcement. Keep the door girls inside. Only 2 bars on Fields are permitted to be open at 3:00 pm and taking a girl out of a bar anywhere in town under ANY circumstances is strictly prohibited. I'm personally caught up on my work for a few days so I think I'll grab the Swaggy bus up there so he has somebody to confirm his newest findings and information.To Slippery.

I just Ingore the guy don't even bother to read his post at all waste of time, I can said I am in AC now thing is normal most hotel is full and I got a girl last night at Isomnia not problem very GFE need to kick her out this morning she don't want to leave most be the king size soft bed going to breakfast and play some poker at Cuba Cuba life is good.

Fast Eddie 48

MathewCob

09-02-13, 04:44

westcoast, me proving your point? i'm saying the complete opposite, here's what i'm saying so that we are clear,

me and harry the horse are both saying barfines in angeles are over, nothing more nothing less,

you and a very small amount of members here are claiming some bars have a work around system (clearly not a barfine) where a girl might leave alone and meet a well known to the bar punter back at his hotel, (more like freelance).

now i have clearly stated time and time again, i have not heard, been offered this method or seen it used in any bars that i have recently visited, i was clearly told in no uncertain terms thet barfines of any type are strictly not available.

could there be 1 or two bars allowing girls to do a work around, maybe a tiny amount of out the ways small bars, but believe me when i say this will be very short lived, as we clearly know, the powers that be want an end to any type of prostitution in angeles city and will raid / close any bar for prostitution / **** offences, as recently seen,

hope that makes my views 100% clear to you now westcoast, so stop trying to bust my balls and twist my words lol.

Streetlooker

09-02-13, 07:22

I thought the only way to verify the age of something was to cut it in half and count the rings.

Ekspat

09-02-13, 09:07

don't even bother to read his post at all waste of timeI actually read his posts but just for my amusement. Highly entertaining, the guy.

I can said I am in AC now thing is normal most hotel is full and I got a girl last night at Isomnia not problemGood to hear, last week it was the same. And have booked my flights over there already for October and November. Life is good, di ba?

Cheers!

MathewCob

09-02-13, 09:26

Types of oral x ray exams to determine age,

Here are the names of the 3 types of tests using dental x rays to determine age,

Liliequist and Lundberg method the Demirjian method and the Gustafson and Koch method.

Here is the findings from the Demirjian method which was conducted in Belgium but is the same for all nationalities, here's the main part of the findings,

The studies was designed to determine dental age from orthopantomograph using Demirjian method and to investigate applicability of Demirjian method for estimation of chronological age in children of Belgium. The sample for the study consisted of 197 subjects between 6-13 years of age. When Demirjian method was applied to Belgium children, mean difference between true and assessed age for males showed overestimation of 0.14 years (51 days) and females showed overestimation of 0.04 years (15 days). Demirjian method showed high accuracy when applied to Belgium children.

So as you can clearly see. Using this method the dentist can predict a boys age within a 51 day accuracy rate and accurately determine a girls age to within 15 days,

I have not posted the whole methods or the other accurate methods and whats involved as it is 27 pages long,

Now for the guys with an agenda to spread bull shit, try to flame / silence others then here is the absolute proof that you are wrong yet again, how many more times do I need to correct you.

Slippery

09-02-13, 09:33

I'm also here and all is normal business as usual. As I have not seen the caped crusader savior or anybody closely resembling that image, methinks our boy got hung in some cat house down iin Cebu.

Sammon

09-02-13, 14:12

Types of oral x ray exams to determine age,

Here are the names of the 3 types of tests using dental x rays to determine age,

Liliequist and Lundberg method the Demirjian method and the Gustafson and Koch method.

Here is the findings from the Demirjian method which was conducted in Belgium but is the same for all nationalities, here's the main part of the findings,

The studies was designed to determine dental age from orthopantomograph using Demirjian method and to investigate applicability of Demirjian method for estimation of chronological age in children of Belgium. The sample for the study consisted of 197 subjects between 6-13 years of age. When Demirjian method was applied to Belgium children, mean difference between true and assessed age for males showed overestimation of 0. 14 years (51 days) and females showed overestimation of 0. 04 years (15 days). Demirjian method showed high accuracy when applied to Belgium children.

So as you can clearly see. Using this method the dentist can predict a boys age within a 51 day accuracy rate and accurately determine a girls age to within 15 days,

I have not posted the whole methods or the other accurate methods and whats involved as it is 27 pages long,

Now for the guys with an agenda to spread bull shit, try to flame / silence others then here is the absolute proof that you are wrong yet again, how many more times do I need to correct you.I do not think Phi police do extensive age verification. They take the girl to the dentist, Dentist takes pictures of mostly wisdom teeth, check the developmental stage of wisdom teeth and determines the age.

Dentist could be totally wrong as wisdom teeth development varies from person to person.

In advanced western countries there must be lots of methods to verify the age of a person, not necessarily through a Dentist.

WillWorth

09-02-13, 15:24

I really want to give people the benefit of the doubt, but after reading this board. Both before and after my trip to AC. I want to be really clear with what I say here. Anyone who says there are no bar fines in Angeles is lying. It's just that simple. There are bar fines. Some bars still call them that, some don't. Some will add the cost to your tab, others will have you buy drinks, some will have you pay the girl directly. I was just there. I am speaking first-hand facts. You can absolutely meet a girl in a bar, pay to have her leave said bar (in one way or another) , and then do what consenting adults tend to do when given privacy. There were tons of guys in AC during my last visit, so either people aren't reading this board, or they're ignoring the ramblings of a liar pushing an agenda. If they ever do shut AC down, don't you think there would be a ton of posts confirming this? Not just one lone voice (who isn't even there) screaming from the mountaintop? Think about it and draw your own conclusions.

OralFanatic

09-02-13, 15:33

I have not seen the caped crusader savior or anybody closely resembling that imageSlippery, be on the lookout for someone wearing a Frock and carrying dental pliers in their back pocket.

methinks our boy got hung in some cat house down in Cebu.There is a God.

My trip is still on although I have moved it back to early October. Thankfully, all legitimate reports indicate it is business as usual in AC. I'm looking forward to getting a few gum jobs while I am there considering all the teeth pulling that is expected during Father McCobbs visit.

WestCoast1

09-02-13, 15:54

westcoast, me proving your point? i'm saying the complete opposite, here's what i'm saying so that we are clear,

snip.

hope that makes my views 100% clear to you now westcoast, .yes sir, clearer. maybe not accurate, but clearer.

me and harry the horse are both saying barfines in angeles are over, nothing more nothing less,

you and a very small amount of members here are claiming some bars have a work around system (clearly not a barfine) where a girl might leave alone and meet a well known to the bar punter back at his hotel, (more like freelance).semantics. any system where the bar gets its cut (straight barfine added to the bill, buy 10 drinks, pay the girl later, etc) means the bar gets its cut. the fact that you are making the distinction between the first one and the others is just semantics. we've seen this happen multiple times in the past.

i am not claiming that a small number of bars have a workaround. i'm claiming the following:

1. when i was there in july (the crackdown had already started; camelot was one of a string of raided bars at that time) , there was only one bar that i saw that would not let me take a girl. the rest all had one of the three systems i described above.

2. several more bars have been raided since then. two mamas that i know in two different fields bars (one of whom was arrested in a fields temporary shutdown just after i left) , an expat, and two bargirls i know (one on raymond, where the full st / barfine system still is in effect) and one from a constain bar (pay the girl later) all say their same system is still in effect (any of the three above).

3. multiple guys on this board are claiming the system, as of this writing, is up and running.

now i have clearly stated time and time again, i have not heard, been offered this method or seen it used in any bars that i have recently visited, i was clearly told in no uncertain terms thet barfines of any type are strictly not available. could there be 1 or two bars allowing girls to do a work around, maybe a tiny amount of out the ways small bars, but believe me when i say this will be very short lived, as we clearly know, the powers that be want an end to any type of prostitution in angeles city and will raid / close any bar for prostitution / **** offences, as recently seen,it is possible this is so. a question matt: is it possible that when you and your posse enter the bars, one or more of you is well-known? i ask for a reason. its possible for barfining activity to be happening (any of the methods above) , and guys are taking girls. but not for certain customers. when asked, the waitresses / employees will say and take the attitude we have no barfine sir have a good day, especially if they think the customer (s) are connected with le, media, or ngo's.

westcoast, so stop trying to bust my balls and twist my words lol.c'mon, you're taking my fun away. when you claim that there are no barfines, then say there are alternates, then say that only 1 or 2 bars are doing alternates, all while others are saying that multiple forms of barfines are being used, i will let the readership determine (or try) what your words are saying.

WestCoast1

09-02-13, 16:26

SNIP.

Here is the findings from the Demirjian method which was conducted in Belgium but is the same for all nationalities, here's the main part of the findings,

The studies was designed to determine dental age from orthopantomograph using Demirjian method and to investigate applicability of Demirjian method for estimation of chronological age in children of Belgium. The sample for the study consisted of 197 subjects between 6-13 years of age. When Demirjian method was applied to Belgium children, mean difference between true and assessed age for males showed overestimation of 0. 14 years (51 days) and females showed overestimation of 0. 04 years (15 days). Demirjian method showed high accuracy when applied to Belgium children.

So as you can clearly see. Using this method the dentist can predict a boys age within a 51 day accuracy rate and accurately determine a girls age to within 15 days,

SNIP.

Now for the guys with an agenda to spread bull shit, try to flame / silence others then here is the absolute proof that you are wrong yet again, how many more times do I need to correct you.You can stop correcting him. The study above means little. Researching a few other studies:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9670486

Abstract.

The paper concerns the testing of Demirjian's method of age assessment in South Indian children. Since previous studies have shown the inapplicability of Demirjian's method on other populations, an attempt to compile a maturity standard for South Indian children was made. An additional independent indicator of age was employed, namely the skeletal age. The material was 184 South Indian children aged 5 to 15 years and an additional 34 children as the test sample. It was found that Demirjian's method gave an overestimation of 3. 04 and 2. 82 years in males and females, respectively. The skeletal age was found to differ from the dental and chronologic age. It may be concluded that the accuracy of age estimation based on Demirjian's method is not applicable for the South Indian children.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17560060

Abstract.

Tooth formation is widely used to assess maturity and to predict age. Within clinical dentistry, such information aids in diagnosis and treatment planning. Numerous methods exist that allow either the prediction of age or an assessment of maturation. One widely used method was first described in 1973 by Demirjian et al, as based on a large number of French-Canadian children. The purpose of this study was to evaluate the applicability of Demirjian's method for dental age estimation and for description of mandibular permanent tooth formation in northern Turkish children. 4-12 years of age. Panoramic radiographs of 900 healthy, northern Turkish children. 4-12 years of age were examined with Demirjian's method. Panoramic radiographs were scored by one examiner. Dental age was compared to chronological age by using a paired t-test. The median age for individual teeth for each stage was calculated. The northern Turkish children were generally advanced in dental maturity compared with the children in Demirjian's sample. The mean difference between dental and chronologic ages of boys and girls varied from 0. 36 to 1. 43 years and 0. 50-1. 44 years, respectively. The standards of dental age described by Demirjian et al. In 1973 and 1976 may not be suitable for northern Turkish children.

In another study it was found there were some distant outliers. You know, the kind where a 12 year-old boy appears from his teeth x-rays to be 21. Or an 18 year-old girl appears to be 11. Initially the researchers chalked those up to possible developmental problems in those individual children. But another researcher then took a look at the specific individuals' background, and found nothing unusual, none of the outliers had developmental problems.

So as you can clearly see. Using this method the dentist can predict a boys age within a 51 day accuracy rate and accurately determine a girls age to within 15 days,No, it can't. Some of the differences in estimation are off by many years. Wouldn't it be interesting if Cobb actually got a barfine, took his 20 year-old hottie to his room, and some pinoy dentist later stated that from an x-ray the girl was 14? Haha.

It took me a whopping 90 seconds of searching Google to find several studies that point to the unreliability of such methods, or show how 'guess-like' this is.

Slippery

09-02-13, 17:20

MathewCob

09-02-13, 17:21

i do not think phi police do extensive age verification. they take the girl to the dentist, dentist takes pictures of mostly wisdom teeth, check the developmental stage of wisdom teeth and determines the age.

dentist could be totally wrong as wisdom teeth development varies from person to person.

in advanced western countries there must be lots of methods to verify the age of a person, not necessarily through a dentist.i think you will find that even the united kingdom border agency started using dental exams from 2012 to determine age of illegal immigrants trying to enter the uk,

the british believe in it and use it extensively, the philipines believe in it and use it extensively, but some on here think they are more bright / smart than the various government agencies and want to rubbish the use or accuracy,

but truly, in the end who gives a hoot what method is being used, or not used,

all we need to know is that countless **** girls have been found working in angeles city bar raids over the recent past, the girls once found have all freely told of their real ages (minors)

bars have been closed down, the girls have been rescued and the bar owners / managers arrested and prosecuted.

end of story really, thanks.

Member #4698

09-02-13, 17:37

Is it possible that when [Reverend Mcob] and [his] posse enter the bars, one or more of [them] is well-known? Its possible for barfining activity to be happening (any of the methods above), and guys are taking girls. But not for certain customers. When asked, the waitresses / employees will say and take the attitude WE HAVE NO BARFINE SIR HAVE A GOOD DAY, especially if they think the customer (s) are connected with LE, media, or NGO's.Or possibly Reverend Mcob is in his church or police office making all his reports up so as to dissuade the unrepentant sinners and foreign exploiters of Philippine treasure not to visit the Pi and take advantage of these poor unfortunate girls. Who cares what Mcob is? He is full of BS. The only important point is bar fining in its myriad manifestations and forms is occurring right now in AC and in fact it never really stopped, even for one night at the height of bar raid season last month. Now, it has been over a month since the last raid. Sorry mcobb, the Anzac bar raid in Subic does not count as evidence of an ongoing campaign to end prostitution in Pampanga because Anzac was a troubled bar in Calapandayan not on the Barrio Baretto strip and it had mostly a Filipino customer base. That raid was a singular event and thus signifies nothing concerning the topic at hand.

Furthermore, I am not concerned with the wild eyed, end of the world forecasts made by people that spread nothing but lies, distortions, and propaganda. Based on Fields and Perimeter Road recent history of the last 3 years of rainy season bar raids and the current situation as reported by RELIABLE board members who are in AC or have recently visited AC, I am 95% confident that AC will continue to be party central from September 2013 through at least June 2014. That is all I care about for now. We will have to see what happens over the next rainy low season before anybody can make reliable, extreme dire, longer term forecasts about 2015 and beyond. I say, live life to the fullest in the present and enjoy AC now. You never know what is going to happen. Some new pandemic virus may erupt next winter and kill 20% of the human race. You don't know. It is possible. So don't think about how great AC was 5 years ago with body painting dancers and 1000p EWR's compared to today and don't worry about what AC is going to be like two to five years from now. "Yesterday is gone. Tomorrow has not yet come. We have only today." Mother Teresa.

I know where I am going to be in March-April 2014 and having a ball unless the world wide contagion hits. See you guys in AC and Subic. And Party Hardy until I get there.

MathewCob

09-02-13, 18:21

WestCoast1

09-02-13, 18:33

I've been holed up in my hotel room since 7:00 this evening with a living doll that I pulled from one of my favorite places. FYI Mr. Cobb, the magic words were used in all 3 of the bars I was in between 5:00 and 7:00 and they were not used by me.Thanks Slip. Hearing that from board regulars puts the nail in the Cobb-related coffin.

MathewCob

09-02-13, 18:39

Nice Job Westie but don't ya think maybe you have a little too much free time on your hands? Job got you in some god forsaken city in Misamis Orental? Seriously though, thanks for the time and the input.

I've been holed up in my hotel room since 7:00 this evening with a living doll that I pulled from one of my favorite places. FYI Mr. Cobb, the magic words were used in all 3 of the bars I was in between 5:00 and 7:00 and they were not used by me.Please let me guess at the magic words used,

No sir, no barfine allowed only dance and drink sir,

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MathewCob

09-02-13, 19:29

Thanks Slip. Hearing that from board regulars puts the nail in the Cobb-related coffin.I think you will find the biggest nail put in any coffin was put in by Harry the horse who is a 20 year Angeles bar owner who clearly says in his September 2013 newsletter,

Bar fines in Angeles are over,

Yes an Angeles bar owner of 20 years who clearly is hurting his own pocket by being honest is still saying bar fines are over in Angeles,

In my book a massive nail in the coffin for Angeles city and the 5-6 board members who constantly bang the Angeles drum possibly for their own gain.

RoadGlide

09-02-13, 22:58

Just for you Westcoast: Here is the link to where the United Kingdom border agency is also using dental verification to determine age.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/mar/30/uk-border-agency-x-rays-asylum-seekers

Posting studies done on human bones by a very corrupt 3rd world country (India) probably shows that you got too much time on your hands and like to believe in studies which were conducted years ago, probably not worth the paper they were written on IMHO.

Now above I have posted you a link to a first world country (uk) who believes in dental technology,

Now westcoast back to research on the internet for you and try to come up with some study done back in 1786 in the republic of zechiristan to dispute my point and rubbish the uk border agency also LOL,

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But really, I don't understand your reason for being on this site. Everything you have posted has been not much more than gloom and doom, and it really seems that you are trying to glorify the NGO's. Good for you, but a majority of readers have seen what your up to, and the truth is coming out.

MathewCob

09-03-13, 03:50

Had to see what is the deal myself.

Arrived yesterday after beeing here the first time last December.

AC is not what it has been. Dollhouse has poledancing now.

Besides that not so much. I visited about 15 bars yesterday and asked a lot of girls, waitreses and mamasans about the issue.

They didn't even now what I was talking about.

Anyway, everything, as usual, some bars closed, some new ones opened, a little less customers compared to December.

BFing left and right.

Thats itYou are claiming that in the 15 bars you visited you asked the bar girls, mamasuns about the issue,

I take 'the issue' to refer to the new rules of no barfines allowed in any Angeles bars,

Here's the facts,

Over 40 bars in Angeles city have been raided and closed in the last few months, that's over 50% of all bars,

Hundreds of girls have been arrested and detained, bar owners mamasuns in jail as we speak charged with human traffic offences,

The local news papers, local tv is full of reports each time a bar is raided and closed.

Most bars are down to very few numbers of bargirls working in each bar, most girls too shit scared after arrest to return to working, or too shit scared of being arrested in the next raids,

And here we have claims that of the 15 bars visited and many girls, mamasuns asked not one single bar girl or mamasun knew of any raids, closures, bar girl arrests, mamasun arrests and owners in jail, bars being set up by police in marked money stings and a total ban on barfines in Angeles, amazing really.

BrainDrain

09-03-13, 06:09

WestCoast1

09-03-13, 06:54

Denom

09-03-13, 19:23

Received an email from Jackson. Please use the Report Post button if the issues continue.

Hi,

MatthewCob is prohibited from further posting on the subject of bar.

Fines in Angeles City.

Thanks,

Jackson.That's too bad. He was kind of entertaining. It's good to have contradictory opinions / information, as eventually the truth comes out. I really think he should be allowed to continue posting on that subject.

Pute Nut

09-03-13, 22:15

That's too bad. He was kind of entertaining. It's good to have contradictory opinions / information, as eventually the truth comes out. I really think he should be allowed to continue posting on that subject.On the contrary, I think it's a very good decision, maybe the cob can now use some of his quality time finding out more about "virginas" and other real life stuff.

That said, Bandy's report below is pretty much on the money as far as current nomenclature and etceteras go.

Admin

09-03-13, 23:38

greetings everyone,

former member mathewcob has been identified as an anti-sex pervert who is most likely in the employ of an ngo.

i've been suspicious of this asshole ever since he burst onto the forum with an amazing 90 posts in less than 6 weeks.

a subsequent review of his posting history revealed that 95% of his posts were entirely dedicated to posting warnings about club raids and otherwise encouraging readers to avoid angeles city. however, his posting history included claims that he was active for many years on other forums, along with "travel reports" that i can only surmise were fabricated or copied from other sources, thus cleverly camouflaging his true agenda.

nevertheless, at the time i gave him the benefit of the doubt.

a couple of days ago, i sent him an email advising him that i had determined that he had sufficiently expressed his opinions regarding the situation with the angeles city clubs and bar fines, and that he would no longer be permitted to continue to beat the same drum.

his emailed responses to me left no doubt as to his true agenda, which i have posted here for your amusement:

jackson,obviously telling the the truth ruffles your feathers,and you too want to silence the truth for your own gain,how about sticking your head up your ass,you fucking ****,
jackson,thought you might like to know,i have just made a formal complaint to the us anti trafficking department in washington dc about your site,they have sent me a reply stating they are already aware of your site including who the owners are and are further investigating,not long now till you get a knock on the door and your face is all over the press as the **** that you are,ill keep your daughter happy while your inside mate.further internet research reveals that he has been posting the same sort of sick bs all over the internet in pursuit of his anti-sex agenda:

...is a site for ****s,they are fully aware that many angeles city bars have been recently raided and hundreds of **** girls rescued,yet they seem to hide this fact because the owners of this site are the same angeles bar owners that are exploiting the **** girls in the first place
nice memories,its a shame this video does not point out how dangerous the streets of angeles city are,20 foreigners murdered for a few pesos in the last few months alone,right there on the streets of angeles city,some in broad daylight in busy areas,when you consider the main area of angeles is absolutely tiny thats a shit load of murders.
all the recent **** girls rescued in the recent bar raids in angeles city by the police and anti human agencies have turned angeles city into a ghost town,who in their right mind would want to be caught up in **** bar raids and arrested/deported and put on the **** register once back in his own country,think about it !!!here is his contact info for those of you who might wish to let him know your thoughts regarding his behavior:

mathew cobretti - manoman777@hotmail.com

thanks,

jax

btw, please don't pay any attention to his claim that he has "made a formal complaint to the us anti trafficking department in washington dc about your site". i get these sort of threats almost every day, and nothing ever comes of it as this website is a perfectly legal exercise in freedom of speech.

WestCoast1

09-04-13, 06:03

So the girl on the right (GR) in the pic met the girl giving the BJ (BJ). When GR asked BJ how old she was, BJ said 22 years and 36 minutes. But GR didn't believe BJ. GR believed BJ might be as young as 21 years. 11 months. 30 days. 23 hours and 24 minutes. So GR brought BJ to my place for a thorough oral inspection. As you can see from the pic, Cobb, I'm inspecting BJ with my 'oral-scope' mechanism. I like to call my method: The Derwestcoastjian method. Its not enough to just place the oral-scope in the girl's mouth for a quick look-see. I like to also inject a special solution into the girl's mouth. Not so that it will coat the teeth to appear brighter on the floroscope, but so she can swallow it, and release the special 'spermiotopes' into her bloodstream, which will then get into the inner tooth.

I discovered that BJ really is 22 years old. Many times I've heard this kind of thing from pinay: 'Tanks be to the LORD for you and your oral-scope Westy. I thought I'm 18 but I must be 19 since you say I suck an oral-scope so good. And tanks again to the LORD for dem UK Immigration guys teaching you dat derwestcoastjian method. '

I'm going to miss Cobb.

Pip Jaeger

09-07-13, 00:41

I like to call my method: The Derwestcoastjian method. Its not enough to just place the oral-scope in the girl's mouth for a quick look-see. I like to also inject a special solution into the girl's mouth. Not so that it will coat the teeth to appear brighter on the floroscope, but so she can swallow it, and release the special 'spermiotopes' into her bloodstream, which will then get into the inner tooth.F'ing hysterical Westy, ROTFLMFAO!

I'm going to miss Cobb.Although I found his posts amusing (and some of the member's responses even more so) I won't miss him clogging up the AC forum with his bola bola.

Thank you Jackson for removing that vermin.

Pete Benetar

09-09-13, 15:06

[blue]Former member MathewCob has been identified as an Anti-Sex Pervert who is most likely in the employ of an NGO.Just read this thread now and great work Jackson as always. For WC, LMAO, lovely quips and as always lovely ladies too. Very much appreciate both of you guys going well above and beyond the call of duty.

Wicked Roger

09-23-13, 09:11

For those who want to see more (for amusement only) see the ink, seems to have a standard cut and paste paragraph and really hates AC for some reason (now I wonder why?) , But he does say he would take any girls from Dollhouse. Latter bit is likely true as he is likely a one handed typist LOL)

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxNQsIdtdI7zrvhYMEHUW3w

http://www.bebikini.com/miss-dollhouse-2012-pool-party.html

Maybe he can't afford the air fare so is jealous of those who can.

But am happy he was spotted and put in his place.

WestCoast1

09-24-13, 04:44

wr thanks especially for the youtube link. seems reverend mc is interested in calling anyone interested in asian barfining a ****. from his many posts there, his massive pre-occupation with the subject possibly suggests an occupation with the topic. matt, there are doctors who might be able to help you.

Ollie69

12-19-15, 10:52

Incredible! Do the maths on this one!

<Yokohama City school principals, 64 years old, Takashima, in February 2014, the police seized 400 albums in his house, containing 140,000 female nude photos.

December 17, Yokohama District Court on Takashima public trial, he admitted in court to prosecute counts.

In 1988, went to Southeast Asia, Indonesia, Philippines Manila and other places, before and after went 65 times in 20 years, the number of prostitutes is about 12,000, the Philippines and Indonesia and other countries women.

He photographed every prostitute, to be numbered, out books, collection.

In the Philippines, he found three 12-14 year-old minor girl.

According to his data recorded, about 10 percent of prostitutes are minors, and ages from 10 years old to 70 years old.

Takashima asked why you want to take pictures and record in detail, he said, "in order to retain the memories. ".

Japan Public Prosecutor's Office believes Takashima repeat offenders, for victims of the girl, causing mental damage is difficult to estimate, he requested a prison sentence of 2 years. .

Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3cd_1450454116#swL0 bEhY1 UR5 t1 BX. 99.