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BigBuddy69
05-03-18, 05:32
Paying extra for kissing, DATY, oral without, fingering and ball licking is just a scam in my opinion. In the two Acapulco's, in LR, in 6 sens, it's included in the session.
Paying extra for kissing, DATY, oral without, fingering and ball licking is just a scam in my opinion. In the two Acapulco's, in LR, in 6 sens, it's included in the session.So what is the BBBJ charge in Oceans these days? And what is the status of the 25 euro entry from 2 - 3 pm?
So what is the BBBJ charge in Oceans these days? And what is the status of the 25 euro entry from 2 - 3 pm?I suspect if you run into it, it would be a single girl scam and not a club wide thingy.
ExpatLover
05-04-18, 19:57
Paying extra for kissing, DATY, oral without, fingering and ball licking is just a scam in my opinion. In the two Acapulco's, in LR, in 6 sens, it's included in the session.Be happy he doesn't pay for watching her. Sorry but I will never pay for any extra except anal and CIM and that is all if the girl doesn't want no problem so many girls around.
So I checked Oceans yesterday on the Friday. I arrived at the club around 8. 30 and found a solid LU. Lots of newbies. Quite a few from downward going LivingRoom (LR). I sessioned with round, C-cup natural, blond, german, Luisa. And sessioned with Amy (german / turkish from Hamburg), and also Miriam (blonde, tallish, german former LR-girl).
All three confirmed to me that for DFK, BBBJ etc they would charge 30 e extra. So 30 min then would turn out to be then 80 e. Not sure, if this means that 60min is 160e or 130 e, though. They claimed this is a club-wide thing and most girls are in on it. Only some rogue girls would go against this "rule".
Now, if this gets established, it can mean at least 3 things:
A) we can expect the top performers to flock to Oceans, as you may get most money for a session there. But you may also loose in the # of sessoins you can do.
B) it could become a trend for other clubs.
C) they fail quickly, because customers, esp. Those often going to Oceans, mostly still osmanians, will not want to afford it.
I suspect if you run into it, it would be a single girl scam and not a club wide thingy.
BigBuddy69
05-05-18, 19:28
So I checked Oceans yesterday on the Friday. I arrived at the club around 8. 30 and found a solid LU. Lots of newbies. Quite a few from downward going LivingRoom (LR). I sessioned with round, C-cup natural, blond, german, Luisa. And sessioned with Amy (german / turkish from Hamburg), and also Miriam (blonde, tallish, german former LR-girl).
All three confirmed to me that for DFK, BBBJ etc they would charge 30 e extra. So 30 min then would turn out to be then 80 e. Not sure, if this means that 60min is 160e or 130 e, though. They claimed this is a club-wide thing and most girls are in on it. Only some rogue girls would go against this "rule".
Now, if this gets established, it can mean at least 3 things:
A) we can expect the top performers to flock to Oceans, as you may get most money for a session there. But you may also loose in the # of sessoins you can do.
B) it could become a trend for other clubs.
C) they fail quickly, because customers, esp. Those often going to Oceans, mostly still osmanians, will not want to afford it.Easy solution, say no and don't go in this hole anymore. So the same girls now charge 1. 6 times more for the same service, and they were far from the best at LR. They should try PHG, only the morons go there now. A girl I fucked for 40 € in Great Palace a few years ago now charges 30 € for BBBJ. It means she doubled her rate and her service was really average back in the days even for 40 €.
Those two clubs could go bankrupt, I couldn't care less.
we can expect the top performers to flock to Oceans, as you may get most money for a session there.The important question is: Why would customers flock to Oceans to pay 30 E extra for something you get included in your normal 50 E in most other clubs in NRW?
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The important question is: Why would customers flock to Oceans to pay 30 E extra for something you get included in your normal 50 E in most other clubs in NRW?
T.I'm sure if Oceans was not conveniently located near public transportation and close to the airport, it would get almost zero international visitors.
For easy access with public transportation options, I think Samya is superior and LR is acceptable if service to optics ratio is highly valued.
Now, if this gets established, it can mean at least 3 things:
A) we can expect the top performers to flock to Oceans, as you may get most money for a session there. But you may also loose in the # of sessoins you can do.
B) it could become a trend for other clubs.
C) they fail quickly, because customers, esp. Those often going to Oceans, mostly still Osmanians, will not want to afford it.I don't know. Pricing can be difficult, but perhaps they are just testing the waters. In any case, I won't have an opinion on it before I have seen it for myself. But I have said a few times here on the forum that 70 e would be my limit. But that requires a stellar lineup and a great club. Lets see about that lineup and the jaccuzi / pool first. Or sauna rituals like at Sharks.
The important question is: Why would customers flock to Oceans to pay 30 E extra for something you get included in your normal 50 E in most other clubs in NRW?
T.You can say the same comparing Aca to the 50 e clubs. Some try to be exclusive. With that comes a lot of things that may need to be in place first too. Question is if the market is there for it.
Easy solution, say no and don't go in this hole anymore. So the same girls now charge 1. 6 times more for the same service, and they were far from the best at LR. They should try PHG, only the morons go there now. A girl I fucked for 40 in Great Palace a few years ago now charges 30 for BBBJ. It means she doubled her rate and her service was really average back in the days even for 40 .
Those two clubs could go bankrupt, I couldn't care less.Not only are the women working the flow up charging, but the women working the door are scam artists too. If you have a good business you don't have to set confusing pricing models and continually not honour advertised prices or sell one thing and deliver another with a surprise at exit when they adk for additional money when you have already paid all in. I haven't been back since I took my friend and they did this to him. I was considering a return visit but I think I will keep it steady. This club reminds me of some of the rip off auto service providers in the US. You go in for an $19.99 oil change and they come back and tell you that you need a new transmission and four new tires.
You can say the same comparing Aca to the 50 e clubs. Some try to be exclusive. With that comes a lot of things that may need to be in place first too. Question is if the market is there for it.Not exactly a comparable retort to 30 euro upsells at Oceans. Terrible food, moldy steam rooms, broken everything, and the smell of [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) ensures that. This coming from an Aca fan.
Not exactly a comparable retort to 30 euro upsells at Oceans. Terrible food, moldy steam rooms, broken everything, and the smell of ensures that. This coming from an Aca fan.I would hold back on assumptions before having seen it for myself. I do see lots of upsells in every club nowadays. Question is just who is worst. And that may be a matter of debate of vary dependant on the eye of the beholder. Your [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) statement holds no ground. The high ceiling at Oceans is only beaten by Sharks, so it should have the second best air among all the FKK's in general. At least in the lounge, which it has in my view also.
I would hold back on assumptions before having seen it for myself. I do see lots of upsells in every club nowadays. Question is just who is worst. And that may be a matter of debate of vary dependant on the eye of the beholder. Your *** statement holds no ground. The high ceiling at Oceans is only beaten by Sharks, so it should have the second best air among all the FKK's in general. At least in the lounge, which it has in my view also.Descriptions were of Aca not Oceans. Aca was described as a retort to your suggestion that paying 80 at Oceans for 50 euro service was equivalent to people paying 50 ero when they can get it for 40 at Aca.
Upsells have been reported by multiple users and must have held some creedence to you since you alluded to your 50/80 versus Aca's 40 to 50 comparison.
ExpatLover
05-08-18, 05:23
Ocean is a Turkish club with poor service and very unstable LU, I stopped to visit it, so better places around.
Upsells have been reported by multiple users and must have held some creedence to you since you alluded to your 50/80 versus Aca's 40 to 50 comparison.If true, then yes.
PeacefulRunner
05-09-18, 15:44
Dear all,
Will go to visit Dorsseldorf in late night of May 19 or May 20. I'd like to try FKK there.
Is this Ocean a good recommendation?
Thank you in advance.
Dear all,
Will go to visit Dorsseldorf in late night of May 19 or May 20. I'd like to try FKK there.
Is this Ocean a good recommendation?
Thank you in advance.Oceans is the best club, if you want to be fucked at the desk. Nevertheless, if I found a sweet GFE top beauty there, I would manage about the desk.
Dear all,
Will go to visit Dorsseldorf in late night of May 19 or May 20. I'd like to try FKK there.
Is this Ocean a good recommendation?
Thank you in advance.I'm not sure if I would select this as my first stop but I hate to recommend something at the moment. I guess if you do your research on prices for entry and know what to expect from the ladies, high chance of €80 per 30 minutes, then it could be OK.
ExpatLover
05-09-18, 21:19
Dear all,
Will go to visit Dorsseldorf in late night of May 19 or May 20. I'd like to try FKK there.
Is this Ocean a good recommendation?
Thank you in advance.Many better places around like Samya, but if you are lucky Ocean can also be a good place but the risk is high to be unhappy.
Dear all,
Will go to visit Dorsseldorf in late night of May 19 or May 20. I'd like to try FKK there.
Is this Ocean a good recommendation?
Thank you in advance.Depends on your luck. The desk is no problem if you handle it like a pro and just lay the cash on the desk and say some German phrase (google translate is your friend prior to going). There are lookers, but try and get one that likes you so you can get improved service. YMMV perhaps more at Oceans than at other clubs.
Depends on your luck. The desk is no problem if you handle it like a pro and just lay the cash on the desk and say some German phrase (google translate is your friend prior to going). There are lookers, but try and get one that likes you so you can get improved service. YMMV perhaps more at Oceans than at other clubs.I don't want to behave like a German pro, I'm not German, I'm happy to be very welcome with smiles at GT, LR, even by the blond who loves Paris at YY, on last Saturday by small Romanian on Oase desk, at Harmony south Hamburg, if you experienced welcome at Globe where I m only a very small client. No reason to play German, and no reason to accept to be fucked like a tourist.
If I found a Eve at Oceans, I would whatsapp her to wait for me on desk when I arrive at Oceans, to meet her before paying, then desk would have to choose: fucking tourist or business for the girl?
Usually clubs desk are very honest, I remember GT desk girls running after me in lockers because I didn't wait for my money back, but Oceans desk is not honest.
I agree with what everyone else has written so far. I will approach it from a logical position.
1. Do you arrive in Dusseldorf after 9 pm? If yes then I suggest looking at clubs that are within one hour drive and open late. That I'm aware of, this leaves LR, Oceans and Aca Velbert. The other guys may know better. If you arrive early or visit clubs the following day then I can recommend YinYang or GT as clubs of similar amenities that would be considered.
2. Will you have a rental car or some other private transportation? If no, Oceans or LR would be easiest of these three late clubs to reach by public transportation. Both have hotels nearby that you can book to stay at for a few hours while the clubs are closed.
3. Will you want food when you arrive at the club? If arriving after 8 pm LR or Oceans are your best bet from these three. After 8 pm at Aca your best option would be to order food delivered. Oceans has the best food between these three.
3. If you want to ensure the least hassle then Aca or LR would be my recommendation. Aca is the cheaper entry and service from girls. I think I've had the most consistent service from ladies at LR. Better optics at Aca for the moment compared to LR. I'm unsure about Oceans as it's been a few months since my last visit.
4. Cleanliness and facilities I would pick Oceans and then LR. Oceans wins based on the larger bar and nicer locker and shower facilities. I will give them wellness facilities as well. Be clear on prices and commitments if a lady tries to get you to a VIP room. You can have a lot of fun in many counties on a three day visit for the amount the lady quoted me.
5. Alcohol. At the moment LR is not able to provide alcohol so if you want it, either of the other clubs are better. I don't drink so I don't know what the cost is at these two clubs. If you want to drink beer and arrive early, I would recommend many of the other nearby clubs that have beer inclusive in the price.
Hope this helps.
PeacefulRunner
05-11-18, 18:19
I agree with what everyone else has written so far. I will approach it from a logical position.
1. Do you arrive in Dusseldorf after 9 pm? If yes then I suggest looking at clubs that are within one hour drive and open late. That I'm aware of, this leaves LR, Oceans and Aca Velbert. The other guys may know better. If you arrive early or visit clubs the following day then I can recommend YinYang or GT as clubs of similar amenities that would be considered.
2. Will you have a rental car or some other private transportation? If no, Oceans or LR would be easiest of these three late clubs to reach by public transportation. Both have hotels nearby that you can book to stay at for a few hours while the clubs are closed..Dear Chongmal and other buddies,
Thanks a lot for your great answers. Really helpful.
I will land after 10 pm. Seems Aca Velbert is my best choice with a short driving distance.
BTW, what's the good and bad things for Yinyang and GT. Sounds like Chinese place?
Dear Chongmal and other buddies,
Thanks a lot for your great answers. Really helpful.
I will land after 10 pm. Seems Aca Velbert is my best choice with a short driving distance.
BTW, what's the good and bad things for Yinyang and GT. Sounds like Chinese place?The others may provide alternate feedback, but Aca can be a good choice.
I don't really see any of the clubs as a place that caters to East Adian clients, but I don't really think about any club that way. To me, we are a bunch of men relieving stress in one of the most accommodating strings in the world. You're flying in, so you fall into the tourist category. I'm a regular customer who immigrated to an European country other than Germany, so I fall into the men crossing over the border to visit. So we are all men on a pilgrimage.
YinYang is a really nice facility. Every room in the club has a shower. Many would be considered VIP rooms at other clubs. Depending on your taste I think it has a good selection of women. The lockers are smaller and they check you closer if you want to take a bag inside. On sunny days they have a nice patio and they have a really good wellness area. I think the food here is quite good, similar to a small cafeteria style buffet with nice selection.
GT is known as the VIP club of NRW. They typically have the largest range of women from various countries. There are some younger petite spinners from multiple countries, some taller more mature women from various countries and some really good service providers. The garden is a nice outdoor space with green grass and trees. On sunny days it's nice to sit outside and watch some ladies sunning and using the outside shower. If you like outdoor sex, they have lounges beyond the chalets. If you find the right lady it's rather nice to lay back and watch the clouds move by while getting a BJ or while she rides you cowgirl.
Aca Velbert is a matter of taste. Once I've seen it deserted on a weekday. While Oceans was buzzing.
Aca Velbert is 30 min longer ride (60 min total). Not sure it will be worth it. But it is definitely the cheaper place. I personal would prefer oceans at this moment, given its buzz.
Dear Chongmal and other buddies,
Thanks a lot for your great answers. Really helpful.
I will land after 10 pm. Seems Aca Velbert is my best choice with a short driving distance.
BTW, what's the good and bad things for Yinyang and GT. Sounds like Chinese place?
BigBuddy69
05-11-18, 21:57
Aca Velbert is not so close, especially if you come late. Aca Gold is really closer to the airport. LR is the best place for me, but at the moment on weekdays it can be really dead.
I wonder people are naming the beauty list of clubs are Wellcum, Oceans, Aca, YY, Oase and Sharks (Globe is a no-go).
Where is Samya here? I found Samya is good with reasonable price EUR50 for entry including food and soft drink + EUR 50 for half hour with the girl.
Kuni042 in post ##1684 mentioned that EUR 60 entry including food & drinks with Acapulco. On their website it is mentioned EUR 40.
http://www.fkkacapulco.de/english/preise.html
"in Acapulco an entrance of 40, - entry.
The Following Amenities are included at Acapulco:
- soft drinks.
- Towels, bathrobe, disinfected flip-flops.
- Brunch from 10:00 o clock.
- Lunch buffet from 14.00 o clock.
- Dinner buffet from 18.00 o clock".
Unfiortunately many FKK clubs have now removed the rate for the girls from their website. I believe this is to demonstrate that the girls are working for herself).
I understand a few years ago EUR40 for 30 min with the girls. is it still the case with Acapulco EUR40 for 30 min?
I wonder people are naming the beauty list of clubs are Wellcum, Oceans, Aca, YY, Oase and Sharks (Globe is a no-go).
Where is Samya here? I found Samya is good with reasonable price EUR50 for entry including food and soft drink + EUR 50 for half hour with the girl.
Kuni042 in post ##1684 mentioned that EUR 60 entry including food & drinks with Acapulco. On their website it is mentioned EUR 40.
http://www.fkkacapulco.de/english/preise.html
"in Acapulco an entrance of 40, - entry.
The Following Amenities are included at Acapulco:
- soft drinks.Entry pricing at Aca is accuratelt posted on the website. The only price changes for ladies are the €30 for 20 minutes basic service, condom applied upon entry to the room, no talking, no kissing, don't expect a smile.
I wonder people are naming the beauty list of clubs are Wellcum, Oceans, Aca, YY, Oase and Sharks (Globe is a no-go).
Where is Samya here? I found Samya is good with reasonable price EUR50 for entry including food and soft drink + EUR 50 for half hour with the girl.You pretty much quoted me there as 'people'. I guess Samya is next on that list maybe. Too often I only find one or two girls to my liking there however. Like Katea, Madalina and one or two more, but never a great lineup. I think my first visit last spring had the best lineup there and then it fell a bit for me.
I wonder people are naming the beauty list of clubs are Wellcum, Oceans, Aca, YY, Oase and Sharks (Globe is a no-go).
Where is Samya here? I found Samya is good with reasonable price EUR50 for entry including food and soft drink + EUR 50 for half hour with the girl.YY, Oceans, Aca, and Samya are not top tier clubs like the others you listed. And even Sharks has been stagnant in getting new high optic talent.
I'm a Samya fan because I have my favorites but objectively would even say that for beauties, it is a half point below Aca and Oceans for pure optics. It's probably on par with Yin Yang.
YY, Oceans, Aca, and Samya are not top tier clubs like the others you listed. And even Sharks has been stagnant in getting new high optic talent.
I'm a Samya fan because I have my favorites but objectively would even say that for beauties, it is a half point below Aca and Oceans for pure optics. It's probably on par with Yin Yang.Acapulco has good line up optically? Which one the one in Velbert or?
I wonder people are naming the beauty list of clubs are Wellcum, Oceans, Aca, YY, Oase and Sharks (Globe is a no-go).
Where is Samya here? I found Samya is good with reasonable price EUR50 for entry including food and soft drink + EUR 50 for half hour with the girl.Also, I would be a little more discerning and cautious if you are using NRW club reviews to determe what clubs are the best clubs to visit. There are much fewer reviews compared to Sharks and Oase threads. A closer inspection of some of these threads will reveal that when you see clubs described as having "beauties," it is often from one or two posters regarding a handful of girls. Not to say that these girls are not actually beautiful, but that tastes are subjective so you don't want to make plans based on evaluations of a club made by a single or even a couple of punters.
Acapulco has good line up optically? Which one the one in Velbert or?Aca in Velbert has mostly 6's but also has about 10 girls who I think are 7.5-8.5's. So the average is probably lower than most clubs but some quality girls at the top end of the line up. However no stunners.
One thing that is less discussed in here is the amount of rotation in lineups t the different clubs. Some clubs have almost the same lineup all the time, while other clubs have massive drift in new girls coming and going. Lately Sharks and Oceans has stood out at the two clubs with the highest rotation of new girls coming in and most girls leaving also. So it is very hard to define the lineups of such clubs. Wellcum also seems to have a pretty high change of girls. While clubs like Artemis and Oase had higher changes in the past, but it has slowed down a bit the past 2 years perhaps.
Aca in Velbert has mostly 6's but also has about 10 girls who I think are 7.5-8.5's. So the average is probably lower than most clubs but some quality girls at the top end of the line up. However no stunners.OK, thanks man, then it is not club for me.
Ocean is odd club, mostly 6, some 7, but occasionally stunner level 9 girl walk in, only one or two in whole line up though. Well one or two stunner in line up is all I need and it is hard to find club that always deliver one or two stunner in lineup nowadays.
OK, thanks man, then it is not club for me.
Ocean is odd club, mostly 6, some 7, but occasionally stunner level 9 girl walk in, only one or two in whole line up though. Well one or two stunner in line up is all I need and it is hard to find club that always deliver one or two stunner in lineup nowadays.Wellcum in Austria. In my opinion it is optically better than Globe and slightly less expensive even when you factor in upcharges. 70 euro /30 min but many will charge 30 euro for kissing; however BBBJ is always included. If upsold, it is still 100 euro per half, slightly better than Globe's 120 CHF / half. And for the hour, it would be 170 euro versus Globe's 240 CHF.
Wellcum in Austria. In my opinion it is optically better than Globe and slightly less expensive even when you factor in upcharges. 70 euro /30 min but many will charge 30 euro for kissing; however BBBJ is always included. If upsold, it is still 100 euro per half, slightly better than Globe's 120 CHF / half. And for the hour, it would be 170 euro versus Globe's 240 CHF.You mean Globe's 140 chf, you meant 120 euro maybe.
Wellcum is too hard to leach for me without car. How much is the hotel there? It is attached to their hotel right?
One thing that is less discussed in here is the amount of rotation in lineups t the different clubs. Some clubs have almost the same lineup all the time, while other clubs have massive drift in new girls coming and going. Lately Sharks and Oceans has stood out at the two clubs with the highest rotation of new girls coming in and most girls leaving also. So it is very hard to define the lineups of such clubs. Wellcum also seems to have a pretty high change of girls. While clubs like Artemis and Oase had higher changes in the past, but it has slowed down a bit the past 2 years perhaps.Oceans always got new line up more or less each time I go. But that also means if there is stunner, one got to take her a lot as you may never see her again.
You mean Globe's 140 chf, you meant 120 euro maybe.
Wellcum is too hard to leach for me without car. How much is the hotel there? It is attached to their hotel right?Yeah, 140 chf. Point is, Wellcum is still cheaper, even more so.
There is a hotel attached. For singles it's about 80 euros but only 40 euro when packaged with entrance fees on Sun-Wed.
Yeah, 140 chf. Point is, Wellcum is still cheaper, even more so.
There is a hotel attached. For singles it's about 80 euros but only 40 euro when packaged with entrance fees on Sun-Wed.I want to go, are there any way to get there by train and taxi? I am fly in monger and which air port is closest.
It seems such a good summer place to stay for one week, it can be annual set summer vacation for me.
I want to go, are there any way to get there by train and taxi? I am fly in monger and which air port is closest.
It seems such a good summer place to stay for one week, it can be annual set summer vacation for me.You can train to Villach but that is a long journey. Can also fly from Cologne to Venice on cheap RyanAir and take a 2 HR car ride. Also a 2 hour car ride or a train ride from Salzburg.
You can train to Villach but that is a long journey. Can also fly from Cologne to Venice on cheap RyanAir and take a 2 HR car ride. Also a 2 hour car ride or a train ride from Salzburg.Aha, so it is close to villach, I just googled it and it is only about 20 min taxi ride.
Which big train station is close to Villach? From Munich? Or from Vienna?
Why would one do a top-club in the middle of nowhere? And not nearer to Klagenfurt or not nearer to the north-south passage near Insbruck? And what does this all have to do with this Oceans-thread?
Aha, so it is close to villach, I just googled it and it is only about 20 min taxi ride.
Which big train station is close to Villach? From Munich? Or from Vienna?
Why would one do a top-club in the middle of nowhere? And not nearer to Klagenfurt or not nearer to the north-south passage near Insbruck? And what does this all have to do with this Oceans-thread?.Not trying to argue it is relevant to the Oceans thread here, but you are discussing with a monger travelling all the way from Japan to have sex with Romanian girls in FKK's. 'In the middle of nowhere' should be less of a concern. LOL!
Aha, so it is close to villach, I just googled it and it is only about 20 min taxi ride.
Which big train station is close to Villach? From Munich? Or from Vienna?Wellcum is on Italian border, very close to Tarvisio which is a ski resort. Should be trains to Tarvisio, from Venezia or Trieste where airports, or you take Oceans helicopter on parking.
Wellcum is on Italian border, very close to Tarvisio which is a ski resort. Should be trains to Tarvisio, from Venezia or Trieste where airports, or you take Oceans helicopter on parking.Only people able to climb Zoncolan are strong enough to carry Oceans helicopter all the way to Italian border.
Wellcum is on Italian border, very close to Tarvisio which is a ski resort. Should be trains to Tarvisio, from Venezia or Trieste where airports, or you take Oceans helicopter on parking.I never got the purpose of that helicopter at Oceans, they should use that money to build at least jacuzzi in garden area.
Well I think land in Vienna from there 4 hours train to Villach then 20 min taxi to Wellcum seems best public transport to Wellcum for flying in monger like me for summer vacation.
I never got the purpose of that helicopter at Oceans, they should use that money to build at least jacuzzi in garden area.I doubt they paid much for it. It is pretty dead in the water and not functional. Consider it more as an art statue.
Delta Indigo
05-21-18, 18:02
I never got the purpose of that helicopter at Oceans, they should use that money to build at least jacuzzi in garden area.
Well I think land in Vienna from there 4 hours train to Villach then 20 min taxi to Wellcum seems best public transport to Wellcum for flying in monger like me for summer vacation.I researched how to get there as well, it is a pain. I think I know a shorter option, you fly to Vienna and then Klagenfurt, from Klagenfurt there is a 26 minute train ride to Villach.
There is another leg added to the journey, however it is a lot faster, the flight to Klagenfurt is under an hour, so 2 and a half hours is being shaved off your journey.
ExpatLover
05-23-18, 20:52
I researched how to get there as well, it is a pain. I think I know a shorter option, you fly to Vienna and then Klagenfurt, from Klagenfurt there is a 26 minute train ride to Villach.
There is another leg added to the journey, however it is a lot faster, the flight to Klagenfurt is under an hour, so 2 and a half hours is being shaved off your journey.And what about driving a rented car?
Hi guys,
I am new here. May I know roughly what is the best time to visit this place? I have some spare time sometime next week but only in the afternoon (around 2 pm to 5 pm? I visited Dolce Vita before at these times and the 1st hour or so was bad as they only had 2 girls working. By the time I had to leave there was maybe 6-8 girls (at 4. 50 pm).
Also, I understand the standard rate the girls charge is 50 EUR for 30 minutes. This includes CBJ and sex right? Anything more (like BBBJ, DFK, Anal etc) will be charged extra. I hope my understanding is correct.
Will provide some feedback on that place if I get the information I need (would skip this place if there are not many girls at the hours I intend to go). Thanks a lot in advance for anyone's information!
Rogue Nation
05-25-18, 08:29
Hi guys,
I am new here. May I know roughly what is the best time to visit this place? !Best option: Do not go. Got to LivingRoom, GoldenTime, Magnum or any other club around d'dorf.
Hi guys,
I am new here. May I know roughly what is the best time to visit this place? I have some spare time sometime next week but only in the afternoon (around 2 pm to 5 pm? I visited Dolce Vita before at these times and the 1st hour or so was bad as they only had 2 girls working. By the time I had to leave there was maybe 6-8 girls (at 4. 50 pm).
Also, I understand the standard rate the girls charge is 50 EUR for 30 minutes. This includes CBJ and sex right? Anything more (like BBBJ, DFK, Anal etc) will be charged extra. I hope my understanding is correct.
Will provide some feedback on that place if I get the information I need (would skip this place if there are not many girls at the hours I intend to go). Thanks a lot in advance for anyone's information!They don't open until 2 pm so expect the same as Dolce. Better off at Living Room, Goldentime or even Acapulco at those hours. Less chance of paying for DFK and BBBJ at those other clubs.
Hi guys,
I am new here. May I know roughly what is the best time to visit this place? I have some spare time sometime next week but only in the afternoon (around 2 pm to 5 pm? I visited Dolce Vita before at these times and the 1st hour or so was bad as they only had 2 girls working. By the time I had to leave there was maybe 6-8 girls (at 4. 50 pm).
Also, I understand the standard rate the girls charge is 50 EUR for 30 minutes. This includes CBJ and sex right? Anything more (like BBBJ, DFK, Anal etc) will be charged extra. I hope my understanding is correct.
Will provide some feedback on that place if I get the information I need (would skip this place if there are not many girls at the hours I intend to go). Thanks a lot in advance for anyone's information!To me, I would expect a possible higher success during those hours at another club that has an 11 am start time. In those clubs most of the ladies are present for the day by 6 pm, with normally 15-20 working by 2 pm. Outside my favorite club, YY, GT, Aca are good options within one hour. Magnum is closer than the others but I haven't returned in years. My favorite, LR is just 20 minutes away by car or can be reached by train from Dusseldorf. Some of the ladies at these other clubs provide DFK within a €50/30 session.
If you choose Oceans for a short visit, know the pricing options. In 2-4 hours you may choose not to have food included, especially if you have a business dinner at 6:30 pm. This little research may save you €20 to offset for part of an extra with a lady. Good luck and happy punting.
Best option: Do not go. Got to LivingRoom, GoldenTime, Magnum or any other club around d'dorf.Have you been to Magnum recently? Dead on day. LR is also quite dead on day, compare to GT or YY.
Hi guys,
I am new here. May I know roughly what is the best time to visit this place? I have some spare time sometime next week but only in the afternoon (around 2 pm to 5 pm? I visited Dolce Vita before at these times and the 1st hour or so was bad as they only had 2 girls working. By the time I had to leave there was maybe 6-8 girls (at 4. 50 pm).
Also, I understand the standard rate the girls charge is 50 EUR for 30 minutes. This includes CBJ and sex right? Anything more (like BBBJ, DFK, Anal etc) will be charged extra. I hope my understanding is correct.
Will provide some feedback on that place if I get the information I need (would skip this place if there are not many girls at the hours I intend to go). Thanks a lot in advance for anyone's information!Depends if entry fee matters to you. Early entry at Oceans is pretty cheap. But so is it also at Aca. Aca has slightly better lineup this early in the afternoon. But safe to say, all clubs in NRW are quite bad for lineup this early in the afternoon, so don't expect to be impressed anywhere. GT which some mention here is a bit far away for such a short visit, and at this time of the day there you will only find mydlf's (MILFs you don'l like to fuck) there. Anyway, good luck in your options.
Like Chongmal says, if food is important, consider prices too. But that pretty much makes Aca obsolete also since the early food there is bird food. YY may be the best if food is important early unless Oceans still has the 25 e early entry with 1 free meal. But YY is also a bit too far out for such a narrow schedule. So consider your timing.
Have you been to Magnum recently? Dead on day. LR is also quite dead on day, compare to GT or YY.Siri,
In your report on your last visit to LR you noted several ladies who were sitting in the bar because of a lack of men. I don't see this as a bad thing, especially if you have a limited time to play. The same quality ladies you mentioned, at GT overcrowded with men before the doors even open, would be invisible all day because they would be hidden away in the zimmer for 5 hours at a time. If a club needs 5 or more men per each woman to be ruled not dead then I prefer a dead club with 3 to 1 odds with a handful of nice ladies. Then again I'm not a super human and I limit my budget so four active sessions per day is my limit so I don't need 50 top beauties. Probably my best day was when my regular for some time at LR upset me. I had a couple choices, walk away from the club, stay miserable and alone while watching her work, or be a real bad guys in Sauna Club land and see how many different nice ladies I could session. Being that these are establishments filled with prostitutes, I chose to liven it up a bit and took as many women as I could to the room without just wasting my money. No club has not been dead to me since even though some have been overcrowded with men and impossible to catch a lady for a room. When that happens I switch clubs instead of watching Football or some other event with overpaid glorified athletes.
To me, I would expect a possible higher success during those hours at another club that has an 11 am start time. Actually some clubs give discount entry rates to the girls who show up as soon as the club opens. I am not 100% sure if Oceans does this, but I believe maybe they do. Wellcum for one has this discount deal at least, and other clubs like Artemis and I believe perhaps Oase has something similar. So for some of these clubs the lineup at 11 or 14 should be roughly the same. But at 16.30 you will start seeing difference since then the girls not bothering about the entry discounts arrive. I don't have a full list of clubs with this strategy unfortunately, and it is mainly just what girls tell me.
Like Chongmal says, if food is important, consider prices too. But that pretty much makes Aca obsolete also since the early food there is bird food. YY may be the best if food is important early unless Oceans still has the 25 e early entry with 1 free meal. But YY is also a bit too far out for such a narrow schedule. So consider your timing.My point is if you don't want good and alcohol, Oceans has a cheaper discounted entry, saving more money for the ladies or possibly for dinner later in the evening outside the club. My last visits to Oceans were later at night during the week when I had early flights the next morning. For me, I was well fed before arriving and not drinking a lot. I basically used the club as a hotel with full option room service, but food was not on the menu for me, so why pay for it on entry.
My point is if you don't want good and alcohol, Oceans has a cheaper discounted entry, saving more money for the ladies or possibly for dinner later in the evening outside the club. My last visits to Oceans were later at night during the week when I had early flights the next morning. For me, I was well fed before arriving and not drinking a lot. I basically used the club as a hotel with full option room service, but food was not on the menu for me, so why pay for it on entry.If you arrive between 14 and 15 it seems Oceans still have the 25 e entry with 1 free meal included. The beds in the salt room is a bit uncomfortable for sleeping in though. I tend to slide down on them at least. As for girls, the odds are against you though. But in 1 out of 3 to 1 out of 2 cases you may find a new hot gem starting early. But this early, options are low. Around 8 girls or so is probably what to expect.
But that pretty much makes Aca obsolete also since the early food there is bird food..Since the OP asked about 2 pm to 5 pm and Aca serves BBQ upstairs starting at 3 pm, it certainly is not obsolete.
Siri,
In your report on your last visit to LR you noted several ladies who were sitting in the bar because of a lack of men. I don't see this as a bad thing, especially if you have a limited time to play. The same quality ladies you mentioned, at GT overcrowded with men before the doors even open, would be invisible all day because they would be hidden away in the zimmer for 5 hours at a time. If a club needs 5 or more men per each woman to be ruled not dead then I prefer a dead club with 3 to 1 odds with a handful of nice ladies. Then again I'm not a super human and I limit my budget so four active sessions per day is my limit so I don't need 50 top beauties. Probably my best day was when my regular for some time at LR upset me. I had a couple choices, walk away from the club, stay miserable and alone while watching her work, or be a real bad guys in Sauna Club land and see how many different nice ladies I could session. Being that these are establishments filled with prostitutes, I chose to liven it up a bit and took as many women as I could to the room without just wasting my money. No club has not been dead to me since even though some have been overcrowded with men and impossible to catch a lady for a room. When that happens I switch clubs instead of watching Football or some other event with overpaid glorified athletes.You are right, many girls: Luana, Rose, Olivia, Isabella, new Raluca and others were waiting for business on last Sunday afternoon at LR, but unfortunately none attractive for my tastes, only Amira was attractive for my eyes on this Sunday, so I preferred to move to GT, having a nice chat with Kate and being attracted by candy model type. Even on a Sunday afternoon, no worry for me because both came to me, like my LR ex always did until I stopped with her.
I prefer quality than quantity, so 2 very enjoyable rooms with a classy Eve are a perfect day for me, and I prefer to go only with one girl, not only at LR.
Be sure, I really would prefer to tell I enjoy a girl at LR, like I enjoyed real beauty Nelli / Raïssa on end of 2014/ beginning of 2015, or Larissa on Summer 2015, or Daria on end of 2016, or my ex on 2017, I said to her I would never name her. I just wait for a new classy, with good and respectful manners, Eve.
Actually some clubs give discount entry rates to the girls who show up as soon as the club opens. I am not 100% sure if Oceans does this, but I believe maybe they do. Wellcum for one has this discount deal at least, and other clubs like Artemis and I believe perhaps Oase has something similar. So for some of these clubs the lineup at 11 or 14 should be roughly the same. But at 16.30 you will start seeing difference since then the girls not bothering about the entry discounts arrive. I don't have a full list of clubs with this strategy unfortunately, and it is mainly just what girls tell me.I kept my input focused on the question, how is Oceans between 2 pm and 5 pm. My suggestion was to consider clubs in the area that open at 11 am as they will likely have more women. Even for you with your speedy car and many km per week would find it hard to get from Dusseldorf to Austria or Switzerland and back in 3 hours.
Since the OP asked about 2 pm to 5 pm and Aca serves BBQ upstairs starting at 3 pm, it certainly is not obsolete.Good point. When they do serve BBQ at 3 outside it is much better. But now I forgot when they do this. During winter it was inside and much worse iirc.
I kept my input focused on the question, how is Oceans between 2 pm and 5 pm. My suggestion was to consider clubs in the area that open at 11 am as they will likely have more women. Even for you with your speedy car and many km per week would find it hard to get from Dusseldorf to Austria or Switzerland and back in 3 hours.I think you missed the point of my post here. Reread and retry. Not sure how I can make it more clear.
I think you missed the point of my post here. Reread and retry. Not sure how I can make it more clear.Re-reading your post I better see your point. Oceans could apply similar tactics as those used by the other clubs you mentioned to entice more ladies for early entry.
Re-reading your post I better see your point. Oceans could apply similar tactics as those used by the other clubs you mentioned to entice more ladies for early entry.I believe they already do. But I am unsure which other clubs in NRW also does this.
Polyamorist
06-01-18, 20:58
Aha, so it is close to villach, I just googled it and it is only about 20 min taxi ride.It's worse than it looks. There is a long and ridiculous detour involved. In Austria they take great pains to keep the hoi polloi out of the FKKs.
Wellcum was the highest-class FKK I visited in Austria. I will never forget the near-virgin from Marrakesh I met there. She was part of the reason I became an Arab (poly backstory). Also the jacuzzi is very fine.
However, there were two important reasons that made me decide Wellcum would never be a regular club for me:
1. The aforementioned inaccessibility.
2. The no-kissing policy. I could tell the Marrakesh girl wanted DFK, but she had been told it was not allowed.
It's worse than it looks. There is a long and ridiculous detour involved. In Austria they take great pains to keep the hoi polloi out of the FKKs.
Wellcum was the highest-class FKK I visited in Austria. I will never forget the near-virgin from Marrakesh I met there. She was part of the reason I became an Arab (poly backstory). Also the jacuzzi is very fine.
However, there were two important reasons that made me decide Wellcum would never be a regular club for me:
1. The aforementioned inaccessibility.
2. The no-kissing policy. I could tell the Marrakesh girl wanted DFK, but she had been told it was not allowed.Is this no kissing policy written somewhere at Wellcum? Maybe in Italian, so I couldn't understand. I found a great kisser for 6 rooms for 1 hour on 4 days. No extra asked, real GFE who gave me pillow to put under her ass to DATY her and made her cum. She was one of the busiest.
Apologies Polyam,
Your statement below on 'No kissing at W' is out of date. Enthusiastic DFK (included in E70 standard 30 min, without prior discussion) from 2 providers at W yesterday. Full report to follow on W thread.
The.
It's worse than it looks. There is a long and ridiculous detour involved. In Austria they take great pains to keep the hoi polloi out of the FKKs.
Wellcum was the highest-class FKK I visited in Austria. I will never forget the near-virgin from Marrakesh I met there. She was part of the reason I became an Arab (poly backstory). Also the jacuzzi is very fine.
However, there were two important reasons that made me decide Wellcum would never be a regular club for me:
1. The aforementioned inaccessibility.
2. The no-kissing policy. I could tell the Marrakesh girl wanted DFK, but she had been told it was not allowed.It is hard to access, but train and taxi can be done, just long train hours can be annoying.
It seems good club for summer vacation for one week, but if LU is bad there, then I am stuck LOL.
As for DFK, I always find way.
The majority kisses from my experience there also. 80-90% from what I have gathered. I have only met 2 girls there who flat out said no kissing. Out of 20+ I've talked to.
It is hard to access, but train and taxi can be done, just long train hours can be annoying.
It seems good club for summer vacation for one week, but if LU is bad there, then I am stuck LOL.
As for DFK, I always find way.This is not personal experience at Wellcum right?
I hope posters who give advice and suggestions do so from personal experience. This post is benign but other posts on other topics lead to misinformation or spread of second hand information that had not been verified.
Apologies Polyam,
Your statement below on 'No kissing at W' is out of date. Enthusiastic DFK (included in E70 standard 30 min, without prior discussion) from 2 providers at W yesterday. Full report to follow on W thread.
The.I've had five different girls at Wellcum. One gave kissing for free but denied a monger a I was with. Another gave kisses to me and all fellow mongers. Another said she kiss but gave only baby kisses. A fourth said she usually charges 30 E but did not charge me because we had a one hour session and partook in some smoking herb. The fifth strictly said 30 Euro even if we went for an hour.
So that's 1 girl who kissed every one, 1 girl who chooses based on client preference, 1 who gave bad kissing, and 2 who usually charge extra. Point is, albeit with my limited sample size, but above average success rate at other clubs, the rate of free kissing at Wellcum is less than half guaranteed but not out of the question.
(My attempt of keeping information on this board objective).
Takedown,
Thank you for fair summary below. Despite two excellent kissers on recent trip I also see one 'angel' at W, currently absent, who only baby kisses.
In the words of JS and Meatloaf, "Two out of three ain't bad".
D.
May be best to move this out of the Oceans thread and into the austrian forum?
Yes, it seemed random how the girls there strategize with kissing. The girl who didn't kiss me, but you as in your example said it was due to me not having asked about it before entering the room. Out goes the idea of not discussing upselling before the room I suppose. And she said flat out that she would have if I had asked first. But while in the room it was not part of the deal. When I returned, the same girl gave me an offer for 10 hours one day for 700 e (50% discount), and said she obviously kisses now. So many girls just make their own rules and may prey on who they think are newbies.
Yes, it seemed random how the girls there strategize with kissing. The girl who didn't kiss me, but you as in your example said it was due to me not having asked about it before entering the room. Out goes the idea of not discussing upselling before the room I suppose. And she said flat out that she would have if I had asked first. But while in the room it was not part of the deal. When I returned, the same girl gave me an offer for 10 hours one day for 700 e (50% discount), and said she obviously kisses now. So many girls just make their own rules and may prey on who they think are newbies.I didn't ask either. Some guys just have a more kissable face than others. Subjectively for each girl of course.
Takedown,
Thank you for fair summary below. Despite two excellent kissers on recent trip I also see one 'angel' at W, currently absent, who only baby kisses.
In the words of JS and Meatloaf, "Two out of three ain't bad".
D.Let me guess, Ivet / Yvette?
This is not personal experience at Wellcum right?
I hope posters who give advice and suggestions do so from personal experience. This post is benign but other posts on other topics lead to misinformation or spread of second hand information that had not been verified.It's not, I wanted to go there and asked original question previously, check past posts, then googled to find a way to go via train and taxi.
As for DFK, it is my personal experience in FKK for past 9 years, I always find a way to DFK whether going for long session or pay up unfortunately.
Let me guess, Ivet / Yvette?She has not been there for about a month.
I didn't ask either. Some guys just have a more kissable face than others. Subjectively for each girl of course.Maybe, maybe not. I still see alternative explanations for the reasoning behind the girl telling you she normally doesn't kiss for 70, but did so with me, and vice versa on the one we just discussed. What I am saying is, it could just as well be behavioral or strategical as being based on looks. But I know you are a true believer in genetics. So lets agree to disagree again.
Maybe, maybe not. I still see alternative explanations for the reasoning behind the girl telling you she normally doesn't kiss for 70, but did so with me, and vice versa on the one we just discussed. What I am saying is, it could just as well be behavioral or strategical as being based on looks. But I know you are a true believer in genetics. So lets agree to disagree again.Natalia kissed for no upcharge. Nia kissed for no upcharge.
I cannot recall a single instance of the vice versa situation. So no, I do not agree to disagree.
Member #4636
06-05-18, 18:30
Apologies if it has been said before but what is the best way to reach the club from Frankfurt HBF? Once I am there I would rather stay until early morning before catching my flight back.
Apologies if it has been said before but what is the best way to reach the club from Frankfurt HBF? Once I am there I would rather stay until early morning before catching my flight back.Assumming you're asking about public transport:
Someone may give you specific instructions with specific train and bus numbers but the basic answer is to buy an ICE ticket to Dusseldorf central station using the DeutschBahn app then use Google maps at the station to select from the various public transport routes provided that takes you to Oceans.
ExpatLover
06-05-18, 21:14
Apologies if it has been said before but what is the best way to reach the club from Frankfurt HBF? Once I am there I would rather stay until early morning before catching my flight back.If you are in Frankfurt there is really no reason to visit Ocean which is not worth such a long trip.
Natalia kissed for no upcharge. Nia kissed for no upcharge.
I cannot recall a single instance of the vice versa situation. So no, I do not agree to disagree.
A fourth said she usually charges 30 E but did not charge me because we had a one hour session and partook in some smoking herb.Nia probably played some mind game on me due to earlier happenings in the club that night.
Apologies if it has been said before but what is the best way to reach the club from Frankfurt HBF? Once I am there I would rather stay until early morning before catching my flight back.S-bahn line 6 on the Rhine Ruhr network takes you to Dusseldorf-Rath. From there it is a 15-20 minute walk to Oceans.
Member #4636
06-06-18, 20:37
Assumming you're asking about public transport:
Someone may give you specific instructions with specific train and bus numbers but the basic answer is to buy an ICE ticket to Dusseldorf central station using the DeutschBahn app then use Google maps at the station to select from the various public transport routes provided that takes you to Oceans.
S-bahn line 6 on the Rhine Ruhr network takes you to Dusseldorf-Rath. From there it is a 15-20 minute walk to Oceans.Thank you both for your replies. I actually posted in the wrong topic because I meant to Oase and not Oceans! I always confuse them but again thanks I will this info when I want to visit Oceans. My flight will be to FRA again anyway.
Nia probably played some mind game on me due to earlier happenings in the club that night.When quoting Natalia, her actions matter, not her words. And in the end, there was no charge. No vice versa situation there. Still waiting for you to produce one.
Nia likes handsome faces.
https://youtu.be/oESB2pvMCvw
Isn't this Lucy the poledancer at Oceans? I think someone has asked about her a few times. Video seems to be one month old.
Forums really blows when it comes to Oceans updates. I'll be going back there in 2 weeks. Has anybody visited lately? And if so seen if Eleny, Alina, Andra, Emmanuela etc are still around?
https://youtu.be/ffxKSjUwKdU
Isn't that Eleny at Oceans? I think someone has asked about her a few times before. Video seems to be two months old.
Had some great sessions with fun bubbly girls here, and I really have to point out that with the current increase in girls asking for higher prices in Hessen clubs, the Oceans girls still seem to do great while in the room even if you only pay 50. And if using the silliest word in the ISG dictionary; service, it was great, not everyone kisses like Sirioja wants, but not everybody need kissing either or care about it. And aside from that one part, it is not one inch below any other club that I know. And has more beautiful girls than most other clubs too. Especially in the 50 e /30 min price range. Compared to Oase, you get 2 x at Oceans now with the upselling happening with so many girls at Oase currently.
It was really the club I was the least bored at this time also given the stage shows they had. Miss Iron was really professional and entertaining. Same goes for the other performers. And the girls working at Oceans, dancing on stage is something you don't see at other clubs aside from the odd girl at Oase swinging the pole there twice a week. Late at night several girls also dance on the floor. Only Oase has an equal environment sometimes where girls are dancing as much on the floor. They also have sauna rituals like only sharks also does from what I know.
If one is in NRW and want to go shopping as they say, no other club there has as many girls. And no other club seems to get as many new girls either. I saw at least 20-25 new girls I haven't seen before. Maybe 60-70 girls were around, so that is a third of the girls being new.
Like one guy told me, if I had lived in NRW and been a retiree, I would have gone to Oceans 5 days a week to let the girls know me. The early entry deal is superb, and beats anything in the area for price. You get to eat a massive big meal, and hang around watching tons of girls dance on stage. The WiFi is great and no rules against mobile phone use (not sure if they like you taking too many pictures though) inside either, with charger plugs around too even in the lounge!
The early entry deal is superb, and beats anything in the area for price. You get to eat a massive big meal, and hang around watching tons of girls dance on stage.Hey Piston,
Are you saying that the 25 euro entry (2 pm to 3 pm) is back? Thought they got rid of that late last year.
Was Eleny there during your recent visit?
Howie.
Hey Piston,
Are you saying that the 25 euro entry (2 pm to 3 pm) is back? Thought they got rid of that late last year.
Was Eleny there during your recent visit?
Howie.Yes, it is back. Not sure when it came back, but it flashes you bug on the website if you go there.
Eleny was there too. Great as allways, and better looking than ever.
Jimmy Boy 99
07-20-18, 19:46
Hey Piston,
Are you saying that the 25 euro entry (2 pm to 3 pm) is back? Thought they got rid of that late last year.
Snip.Yes, it is back. I was there on the 12th and got the deal without a problem. Of course, I didn't open my mouth and just handed her the 25 Euro, so she probably assumed I was a local and did not give me any hassles. However, the big sign by the desk advertising the special entry price presumably would have prevented any discussion anyway. Had a great steak with salad and fries. Get the entrecote (rib eye) instead of the rump steak, even though it is cheaper, because it is a better cut of meat. I think they price the rump steak higher to make clueless people think that they are getting a better deal because it is more expensive and thus chose it instead of the entrecote. Took a while to figure out with the Colombian waiter what medium rare was there; ask for medium minus if you want medium rare. The chef cooked it perfectly and it was delicious. If I were a retiree and lived near there, I would go there whenever I wanted a steak instead of going to a restaurant, as the special entry includes free beer until 7 PM and as much coffee and soft drinks as you want.
Of course it is deserted at that time, with only five girls and 5 guys at 4 PM the day I went. I asked the girl who came over to talk to me why she even bothered to show up so early and was told that the admission price for the girls is only 50 Euro before 5 PM, then 90 between 5 and 6 PM, and 100 after 6 PM. However, with the free wi-fi and spa, you could wait in comfort until the rest of the girls showed up. The two girls I spoke to upsold me on BBBJ and DFK, with one German girl wanting 200 Euro for an hour with those included. Needless to say, I declined, telling her that I would be in Acapulco tomorrow and fuck there for a lot less.
Yes, it is back.Thanks Piston / Jimmy Boy 99 for the update.
I just hope that they keep the promo going for a couple more months as I plan for a visit or two in early September. Love their steak dinner and ice mint flavored Beck's beer. Their french fries are scrumptious.
Great to hear Eleny is still around. Piston - can I ask which day of the week you were there? Trying to lock down on which day of the week she will be there on my next visit.
Thanks...Howie.
Great to hear Eleny is still around. Piston - can I ask which day of the week you were there? Trying to lock down on which day of the week she will be there on my next visit.
Thanks...Howie.From my experience, reception is very helpfull in answering which girls will work. So just calling the same day or maybe the day before might help. At least girls who has been around for awhile and communicate with management there. I have no idea if she has a weekly rutine, or if it is random, as I haven't paid attention to which days she works. And then again, it could be random, so going by what she did one week might be wrong.
I thought of LU being OK. Spotted 7 germans which were mostly 4-6. But from romania, there were like 2 or 3 stunners (e. G. Tall blond romanian with curly hair is probably a 8-9 for my taste) - and one small bulgarian (Maia- 23 yrs, long dark hair, 160 cm) with DD all-natural, very full and round boobies -- a real rare beauty.
Before that I was at YY in Roermond, and I found them very equal.
and one small bulgarian (Maia- 23 yrs, long dark hair, 160 cm) with DD all-natural, very full and round boobies -- a real rare beauty.Sounds like you describe Bulgarian Annie, but I though she was younger. Unless she just gives a number, LOL. Wonder if she changed name. Definitely someone the natural tit-loving German crowd in Hessen would have liked. Her natural are up there with Ina at Oase.
I arrived at about 8. 30 pm. I couldn't spot more than may 30 girls. And an equal number of polar bears. At anytime visible were 20 each. Sometimes a bit less 10-12. It was such a disaster.
Important too: The prices were INCREASED again. Now minimum entry fee is €50,- no food. No drinks. For 65 euro you get drinks AND food.
Very frustrating.
ExpatLover
09-08-18, 07:46
I arrived at about 8. 30 pm. I couldn't spot more than may 30 girls. And an equal number of polar bears. At anytime visible were 20 each. Sometimes a bit less 10-12. It was such a disaster.
Important too: The prices were INCREASED again. Now minimum entry fee is 50,- no food. No drinks. For 65 euro you get drinks AND food.
Very frustrating.It is a Turkish club not worth to spend our limited free time there so many other clubs, Samya for example.
Important too: The prices were INCREASED again. Now minimum entry fee is 50,- no food. No drinks. For 65 euro you get drinks AND food.
Very frustrating.If you arrive late like you did, those prices have been there for quite awhile now I think.
I posted in GT thread that I'm due in Dusseldorf on Tuesday. Was intending to try out GT or YY as I've never been to either but the reports on GT are truly very negative. I like Oceans and have been plenty of times. What is the current LU like please? Jimmyboy. Met you once in World a few years ago. You seem to have enjoyed your trip here recently. Was Aca better?
Pistons. You've assisted me previously (thanks) - how do you rate Tuesday LU at Pistons?
Finally guys, if I was going to do 2 clubs in one day, Oceans being one of them, which other club would you also visit. Ruling out LR as I cannot abide the smokey lounge there.
Appreciate your help as always.
I posted in GT thread that I'm due in Dusseldorf on Tuesday. Was intending to try out GT or YY as I've never been to either but the reports on GT are truly very negative. I like Oceans and have been plenty of times. What is the current LU like please? Jimmyboy. Met you once in World a few years ago. You seem to have enjoyed your trip here recently. Was Aca better?
Pistons. You've assisted me previously (thanks) - how do you rate Tuesday LU at Pistons?
Finally guys, if I was going to do 2 clubs in one day, Oceans being one of them, which other club would you also visit. Ruling out LR as I cannot abide the smokey lounge there.
Appreciate your help as always.Only been there one Tuesday and it was good. Although that week had a great lineup as a whole and its been awhile since then. Tuesday is a tricky day everywhere, so I guess it comes down to luck. Locationwise Aca and Oceans are a good match to do the same day. If you love to drive, then YY and Oceans can work too for the same day. But if you arrive late at Oceans you loose out on the cheaper entry. So its a tough call.
Sept / Oct. Has been the best time of the year at Oceans the past 2 years at least. Always seeing new girls there this time of the year, and NRW being a big working class area, many people are back home from vacation again. Statistics also claim the late summer / fall is when most couples break up due to them realizing they didn't click very well on a vacation they had together. So this could both help recruit more girls, and attract more local customers at the same time. With Oceans being the biggest urban club in NRW, maybe this is why it seems to be the best time of the year there in lineup. The other German club having the same boost this time of the year is Sharks. But last year Sharks new girls (class of 2017) were a disappointment to me due to worse attitude. Hard to say how this dall will be.
Only been there one Tuesday and it was good. Although that week had a great lineup as a whole and its been awhile since then. Tuesday is a tricky day everywhere, so I guess it comes down to luck. Locationwise Aca and Oceans are a good match to do the same day. If you love to drive, then YY and Oceans can work too for the same day. But if you arrive late at Oceans you loose out on the cheaper entry. So its a tough call.Thanks but I don't drive as I like to have some beers in the clubs. I had wondered if Aca might be an option.
In Dusseldorf and Oceans etc it comes down to whether there is a great Messe going on.
For example, the major messe event is going to be 12 - 15 November 2018, the Medica in theüsseldorf. I will be likely in Oceans. Then go to Magnum. The LU these days has great potential of being great. But be aware of rip-off going on with Theke as well as the ladies. As they are after the asian mongers, who have deep pockets and no reference of what costs what.
Only been there one Tuesday and it was good. Although that week had a great lineup as a whole and its been awhile since then. Tuesday is a tricky day everywhere, so I guess it comes down to luck. Locationwise Aca and Oceans are a good match to do the same day. If you love to drive, then YY and Oceans can work too for the same day. But if you arrive late at Oceans you loose out on the cheaper entry. So its a tough call.
This has to be both the most bizarre and the worst night I've had in FKK memory for me. Took the train from Darmstadt. See my report and a fantastic night at Sharks last night. Didn't fancy the bus so got a train from Darmstadt to Mainz and then train to Dusseldorf. Longer than on the bus via Frankfurt Flughafen but the beautiful scenery along the Rhine made the trip short. Stunning. Really enjoyed it.
Could not decide between returning to Oceans where I've enjoyed some good night or Living Room given the recent positive reports. Decided to risk the cancer inducing lounge (so much smoke in a tiny area) at LR for the free beer and Champions League games. Big mistake. 40 euros later. LR announce no beer (no licence. Why not? = what have you done?). Taxi guy says it is a sanction and Club might not get license back for up to 6 months - and he tells me LR is moving to a new location.
Back in taxi to Oceans. As ever the food was fabulous. This was THE only positive from this awful experience which has convinced me never to return.
I told the taxi driver at LR that I did NOT want dropping at the club as this would then cost 80 instead of 65. He takes me right to the door for 40 and I tell him I'm not paying. If they charge me 80 inside he gets 25. If they charge me 65 he gets 80. If he does not like either I offer him a few broken teeth as I made it 100% clear I did not want to be dropped at the door which he totally ignored. He takes the 25 happily. It's clear his commission is much more than 15.
The truly unfriendly brute on reception demands 80. I ask why it is more than if I didn't come by cab and he suddenly loses all capability to speak English though previously he was fine asking for 80 and explaining without a cab its 65 e. The reception at Oceans are just bandits.
Inside the club and as I say, the food was terrific as always. Had the large chicken schnitzel.
The "Turkish" dominance at the club has increased and I felt positively foreign being anything other than Turkish (and I love Turkey!
The numbers were truly dreadful. I counted 35 guys and 14 girls before I decided to leave. Of the 14 maybe 2 were options as a real push. The rest were no more than 5/10.
I get a taxi (another one). I ask him to take me to Magnum. He tells me Dolce Vita is better. He was a truly decent guy as will become clear. 40 later we arrive at DV. The pleasant receptionist allows me to look around before entering. She says there are 38 girls working. I go inside this nice plush club and there are 6 girls working (the other 32 obviously being busy. Really? And none look good so I decide not to enter. In hindsight I think this was a mistake.
Back in my chauffeur driven cab and off to Magnum. Stern Theke announces 12 girls working. At least she is honest. I say I'm not coming in without inspecting. She says no, I go to leave and she agrees. I see 5 girls none of whom are more than 5/10. I'm realising that I should have stayed in Frankfurt one more night.
My lovely taxi man takes me back to Oceans. Though its awful its the best of a bad bunch. We get there and he says he feels bad. I explain it is not his fault at all. He offers to take a paltry 60 euros for taking me on an hour tour of DV and Magnum and back to Oceans. I pay him 80 and take his number. What a nice guy.
On reception the thug asks for another 65. I refuse and protest I was in the club before. I ask for a manger and they give me a red instead of blue band so I cannot have more food. No problem but the guy wanted to fleece me again.
Into the club. Numbers are now much worse - 9 girls and 36 guys. Almost none of the 9 are worth looking at. In desperation I latch onto Mira? Ro. Brunette with facial mole. Ok body. Says her tits are all natural which is a total lie when we get into the room. I tell her I want one hour, some extras and expect to pay 150. After only 2 minutes into the room she asks if I want BBBJ as this will be 50 more. I tell her if I'm paying 150 for an hour it's expected to be included. She says its not. I tell her that in every FKK in Germany if I'm paying 150 for an hour its included. She disagrees. I say "fine. Condom and you can suck for 30 minutes after which we finish and I pay 50". Her desperate pleas to change my mind go unheeded. I do not like thieves. Not on receptions or in the room. After 20 minutes I'm nearly asleep and I tell her not to bother. Her service was a 1/10 and I would tell anyone not to bother.
Back into the bar and I decide (because the options are SO poor) to have a massage. This is one of the few clubs where the sign on the door offers erotic massage for more money. But the masseuse is 2/10 ugly so I tell her I want a one hour professional massage only. She refuses and say its 100 for one hour erotic or she can only do 30 minutes for 30. I protest that she clearly has one hour available so I'll have the one hour massage at 60 without a HJ. She refuses. I have the singularly worst 30 min massage I've ever had in any FKK and stop her after 25. I leave and pay no tip. I've had enough of this grotesque club and decide to leave. I realise I don't have my watch. At speed I head back to the massage room. On my way she sees me coming and motions to say she knows I left the watch. She had made no attempt to come after me to give it to me and had I left the club I’m convinced she would have taken it. It was now hidden under a towel. Wasn't there before. I rescue the watch with her hands in the air. She seemed disappointed.
I refuse x3 approaches from girls on my way back to the locker. All were really poor.
I paid my bar bill and left.
I will 100% never return to this club again. Awful receptionist, awful LU, awful service, awful masseuse and a feeling of being alien if not Turkish (and I repeat I like Turkey).
Not my best night in FKK land and it was my last this trip. I've learned a lot. Stay in Frankfurt, Berlin, Munch or Stuttgart (even Dresden). But not Dusseldorf. It has no decent FKKs and Oceans is a complete rip off. For newbie's thinking of trying it my strong advice (and I've been doing this over 15 years) is to head to Frankfurt and the wonders of World, Oase and Sharks. Great clubs, great LU, great service and no feeling of being the victim of a complete rip off. I've supported Oceans in the past. No more. It has gone downhill rapidly judging by this visit. I have no doubt some of its supporters will try to defend it saying this was only one night. But the combination of the very rude male receptionist who speaks English until it suits him, the terrible masseuse (would she have had my watch? With dreadful attitude) and the LU of girls being so terrible means this, like LR, is off my list. If I have to be in Dusseldorf in future (and I really like the city) I shall organise an erotic massage instead. In Düsseldorf for me, there are no decent FKKs.
ExpatLover
09-19-18, 03:51
Sorry but never believe any taxi driver in Germany, Samya is worth a visit, may be GT. Shark definitively, both paradise are usually okay with at least large LU, Sakura is okay, Babylon if you like young and beginners but it is not a well maintained club looks more like a brothel, you can also try Kaufmich for escort, this is my selection after so many years of mongering in Germany, all the rest for me can be forget. Recommend you again to rent a car if possible to save time and money.
BigBuddy69
09-19-18, 06:39
I told the taxi driver at LR that I did NOT want dropping at the club as this would then cost 80 instead of 65. He takes me right to the door for 40 and I tell him I'm not paying. If they charge me 80 inside he gets 25. If they charge me 65 he gets 80. If he does not like either I offer him a few broken teeth as I made it 100% clear I did not want to be dropped at the door which he totally ignored. He takes the 25 happily. It's clear his commission is much more than 15. Waw, you're some badass monger. Congrats for your no taxi upselling attitude! What a bunch of morons, they're so greedy that they have to bribe cabs to bring customers. For LR, the club is so easy to reach by train that paying a cab from Dusseldorf center to there is a waste of money (unless it's 2 am).
HungryStud101
09-19-18, 16:48
Thank you very much for these words of wisdom. Thanks for the info. Your wise words have convinced me to return to my favorite club this weekend instead of rolling the dice. My opportunities to travel in hobbyland are so few.
Not my best night in FKK land and it was my last this trip. I've learned a lot. Stay in Frankfurt, Berlin, Munch or Stuttgart (even Dresden). But not Dusseldorf. It has no decent FKKs and Oceans is a complete rip off. For newbie's thinking of trying it my strong advice (and I've been doing this over 15 years) is to head to Frankfurt and the wonders of World, Oase and Sharks. Great clubs, great LU, great service and no feeling of being the victim of a complete rip off. I've supported Oceans in the past. No more. It has gone downhill rapidly judging by this visit. I have no doubt some of its supporters will try to defend it saying this was only one night. But the combination of the very rude male receptionist who speaks English until it suits him, the terrible masseuse (would she have had my watch? With dreadful attitude) and the LU of girls being so terrible means this, like LR, is off my list. If I have to be in Dusseldorf in future (and I really like the city) I shall organise an erotic massage instead. In Dsseldorf for me, there are no decent FKKs.
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09-19-18, 16:56
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Banana Boi
09-19-18, 17:42
PFI, why didn't you head to Mondial or samya. Likely the same time or less to get to Mondial from magnum than to go back to oceans. Mondial will always have girls.
It's only 40 euro entry to LR now? Is this new because they lost their booze license?
Jimmy Boy 99
09-19-18, 18:01
Snip. It's only 40 euro entry to LR now? Is this new because they lost their booze license?I think the 40 Euro was the taxi fare to LR, not the entry fee.
PFI, why didn't you head to Mondial or samya. Likely the same time or less to get to Mondial from magnum than to go back to oceans. Mondial will always have girls.
It's only 40 euro entry to LR now? Is this new because they lost their booze license?As Jimmy said that was the cab fare. Its 50 in.
I didn't do Mondial or Samya as I would then be heading for a record number of clubs in one night and about 300 in cab fares!! Samya is too far out. I'd seen 3 girls in Oceans I thought were ok (not more) and I anticipated reentry for free. Which I got after debate.
Thanks HS and for the PM. Like you I'm a tourist. We must maximize our trips. Get to Sharks and hunt down Cleo and tell her James Bond sent you after our two rooms on Monday and that I told you to make sure you get "your turn". She will laugh and give great service with no upsell if you go straight for an hour. She has several tattoos. Long dark hair and small waist and full (injected) lips. Have fun and stick to what works. For me that's Sharks Oase World and Artemis in Berlin.
All that said, what I find bewildering is this. In my home country I get to pick from a LU of 3 or 4 in a brothel and am happy to pick one or two if them. In FKK land I reject many I'd be very happy to see at home. It's called being spoilt for choice!! Its why us tourists return and return I shall. But not to Oceans. Shame. The food is good. But I can find great restaurants anywhere. I'm done with Dusseldorf. I wanted to try GT and Yin Yang but I don't like driving to clubs as I like a few beers. That counts LR out then!! Have fun.
Sorry, but your favourite club is? Can you be specific? We appreciate your words of wisdom too! Thanks!
Thank you very much for these words of wisdom. Thanks for the info. Your wise words have convinced me to return to my favorite club this weekend instead of rolling the dice. My opportunities to travel in hobbyland are so few.
It is sad for me to admit, that PayForIt is nailing it. I am actually living in the Rhineland and would have an easy access to Oceans, Magnum, DV etc.
They are currently onle worthwhile on fridays or saturdays. It wouldn't occur to me to go to Magnum on weekdays. And just earlier this year, Oceans on weekdays was OK from a LU perspective. But as PayForIt says: not currently.
Thanks for the pointers to the Frankfurt / Berlin clubs. Not sure what you mean with Dresden or Stuttgart. Can you be more specific?
This has to be both the most bizarre and the worst night I've had in FKK memory for me.
Sad to hear of the taxi guy. But why go DV and Magnum? Aca should be a clear improvement over those two. And not any further away. Many clubs these days depends on just 2-3 girls unfortunately, and if you don't find that, it can be a waste. I was in Berlin recently and forced to go Artemis on a Monday. Worst FKK visit this year aside from perhaps a short phg trip early in the year. So I fear Artemis too is turning into a weekend club now as well. And for Berlin, that is disastrous considering the lack of competition.
ExpatLover
09-20-18, 05:55
Sad to hear of the taxi guy. But why go DV and Magnum? Aca should be a clear improvement over those two. And not any further away. Many clubs these days depends on just 2-3 girls unfortunately, and if you don't find that, it can be a waste. I was in Berlin recently and forced to go Artemis on a Monday. Worst FKK visit this year aside from perhaps a short phg trip early in the year. So I fear Artemis too is turning into a weekend club now as well. And for Berlin, that is disastrous considering the lack of competition.We all know that Artemis is a tourist and Turkish club, very few German mongers are still going there, the reports on the German forums are extremely negative, like for Oase, Manhattan and World. In most of the clubs the LU are deteriorating quickly probably due to the first negative effects of the new law, less new girls, less customers, and may be the beginning of the downwards spiral for the P6 scene in Germany.
Thanks for the pointers to the Frankfurt / Berlin clubs. Not sure what you mean with Dresden or Stuttgart. Can you be more specific?Paradise in Stuttgart. Never brilliant but each of my 4 trips have been acceptable with enough girls to do. Dresden. Expected nothing and got taken by (yet another!) taxi driver to a tiny FKK called Romer which only had about 10 girls and 6 of them were stunning. Also a lovely town to visit.
Sad to hear of the taxi guy. But why go DV and Magnum? Aca should be a clear improvement over those two. And not any further away. Many clubs these days depends on just 2-3 girls unfortunately, and if you don't find that, it can be a waste. I was in Berlin recently and forced to go Artemis on a Monday. Worst FKK visit this year aside from perhaps a short phg trip early in the year. So I fear Artemis too is turning into a weekend club now as well. And for Berlin, that is disastrous considering the lack of competition.I suggested Aca first to my nice taxi man and he said it would be 70 euros as it was much further to Velbert. I argued showing him google maps that it was about 26 kms. He agreed but said he would be happy to put it on the meter and let me see but it would be a lot more than the others we tried. He offered to take me to DV for 30 and if I didn't like it to Magnum then for free. Seemed like a genuine guy not wanting to rip me (like the first cab driver from LR) so I went with it thinking, as you say, you only need a few decent girls to make your night go well.
Very sad to hear that about Artemis as for a long time it was my favourite club. I love that it has a gym though the food is awful and the outside area is not as pretty as World or Oase. Again, as you say, given Berlin has zero competition that is worrying. Will try to get there before Christmas. I can honestly say Ive never had a bad night there and I like the vibe in the club.
I've started going to Frankfurt more often because of the choices of clubs and as I now like all three of World, Sharks and Oase that will be my future destination. Even Palace and Mainhattan are backups which compare favourably for me with Oceans and the options around Dusseldorf. It wasn't just the lack of LU which made Oceans so unpalatable this time. The receptionist attitude, and the general vibe in the club was not good. I honestly felt uncomfortable not being middle eastern / Turkish and you sort of get this feeling that something is just not right at the club. A heavy vibe. At one point there were 17 middle eastern guys in robes sitting together smoking outside and not a single girl with them. I suppose it could have been a stag party but it didnt look like much of a party and they barely came into the club at all. Inside, the bar area was mainly deserted. Then the attitude of all of the girls I met, except one was awful. If you did not agree to go to the room in an instant they blanked you and ignored you all night. The contrast with Sharks the night before, and World the night before that, could not have been more stark. Nearly all of the girls there were friendly and happy to invite me to have a chat on the sofas before making a decision. The one decent girl at Oceans had long dark hair sits at restaurant end of bar. Looked classy and was pleasant. Didn't choose her as she had a slim body but a very fat ass which put me off. I contemplated trying to get past that because of how poor the other options were but I wouldn't have taken this girl at home so didn't see the point in forcing it.
I'm saddened by this decision for several reasons:
1. I've enjoyed some decent nights at the club and have defended it on this forum when others have criticised it.
2. I like the food, and the way it is menu operated. Much better than food sitting around being constantly re-heated in nearly every other club.
3. I like Dusseldorf as a town to visit.
4. I like the wellness area and even better now they have added a running machine outside the massage area. It's so big there that they could have a gym like Artemis and it needs a pool outside (and there is space for one).
5. The rooms, when you are in them(!) are a good size and not too hot.
But ultimately an FKK experience comes down to four things for me in the following order of importance:
1. The LU (which can change quickly) - if there are some very pretty but also friendly girls, a monger will have a good time.
2. The feel/vibe in the club. Almost as important for me is how I feel in the place. As a tourist, as I said to Hungary Stud. We must maximise the visits. The "feel" in Oceans is bad and that negativity from the staff and the girls does not lend itself to a good experience. I think what has saved it for me in the past has been some excellent girls. I'll never forget my night there with dancer Lucy. Stunning and superb in the room. But that LU isn't there now and the feel of the club is all wrong.
3. The facilities, inside and outdoors (good at Oceans but not the best and not as good as World, Sharks, Oase, Artemis or Sakura.
4. The food. Nice to have good food but as I said before - I can eat at a good restaurant anytime. Its not why you go to an FKK club.
I'll leave it a year or so and may make a trip back if forced to go to Dusseldorf. But I won't be quick to try. I said before that I vow never to return. Maybe that was too harsh / over-reaction to a really bad night. But I'm afraid the memory of hawking around clubs in this area in a taxi for hours and not finding one decent option means I'm very unlikely to do it again anytime soon. I'the rather stay in Frankfurt and get up early and get a train to Dusseldorf if I have to be there.
HungryStud101
09-20-18, 19:40
Sorry, but your favourite club is? Can you be specific? We appreciate your words of wisdom too! Thanks!At the moment it is Sharks. It used to be Oase but last trip last spring was a bummer. I thought Oase was the best place on planet earth back in the years circa 2010,2011, 2012 when I attended 5 times. After a 5-year hiatus I returned in 2017 and the girls were awful attitudinal. I have found nice girls at Sharks. I get my money's worth. I also like GTs but get there early.
Years ago a fellow monger that I met at Oase who happened to be from the same county as me back in the States (Small world) told me that admitting that admitting you like Oase is "passé" like telling your hard rock friends in high school that you listen to Billy Joel. Nowadays, I think that is true for Sharks. Too many people know about it. Better to find some hidden gem so that you can brag to the world that you found some diamond in the rough....who wouldn't rather say to a fellow Shark's Monger "Sharks? Oh, you're still going there? I go to the Planet Happy Garden" or some shit like this. However, if you are a local you may find your niche somewhere and save a lot of money over the long haul.
I have my favorite places and they sometimes change. Here I like Sharks and in Brazil I like Brooklin in Montreal I like Euphoria...Other places are good too. But I like these the best.
ExpatLover
09-20-18, 22:20
At the moment it is Sharks. It used to be Oase but last trip last spring was a bummer. I thought Oase was the best place on planet earth back in the years circa 2010,2011, 2012 when I attended 5 times. After a 5-year hiatus I returned in 2017 and the girls were awful attitudinal. I have found nice girls at Sharks. I get my money's worth. I also like GTs but get there early.
Years ago a fellow monger that I met at Oase who happened to be from the same county as me back in the States (Small world) told me that admitting that admitting you like Oase is "pass" like telling your hard rock friends in high school that you listen to Billy Joel. Nowadays, I think that is true for Sharks. Too many people know about it. Better to find some hidden gem so that you can brag to the world that you found some diamond in the rough....who wouldn't rather say to a fellow Shark's Monger "Sharks? Oh, you're still going there? I go to the Planet Happy Garden" or some shit like this. However, if you are a local you may find your niche somewhere and save a lot of money over the long haul.
I have my favorite places and they sometimes change. Here I like Sharks and in Brazil I like Brooklin in Montreal I like Euphoria...Other places are good too. But I like these the best.You are correct, except you can find some escort, Shark is the best place even they are also problems of not enough new girls coming in the recent months, some girls are there for years, today a lot of girls were looking very unhappy and frustrated probably link with slow business.
Yes, Sharks is my favourite one too. Glad you say so. GT?? Naeh. Ugly ugly girls. Many of them fake boobs, botox lips, fat, and faces that are more a 3-4, yes, there is an occasional 5 or 6 and a rare 7-8. See my report here: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2589-Sauna-Club-Golden-Time-Bruggen&p=2226806&viewfull=1#post2226806..
FYI, I am local to NRW. It is a disaster, exactly like PayForIT described. My future will be to have 2 hour drives in the car to Sharks or 4 hour drives in the train to Artemis. Or maybe I learn portoguese and try Brazil.
Re Hidden Gems in FKK land. Sorry, we are all hunting for them. The yield so far is frustration. Since we came from a pretty high-level down to where we are now.
At the moment it is Sharks. It used to be Oase but last trip last spring was a bummer. I thought Oase was the best place on planet earth back in the years circa 2010,2011, 2012 when I attended 5 times. After a 5-year hiatus I returned in 2017 and the girls were awful attitudinal. I have found nice girls at Sharks. I get my money's worth. I also like GTs but get there early.
Years ago a fellow monger that I met at Oase who happened to be from the same county as me back in the States (Small world) told me that admitting that admitting you like Oase is "pass" like telling your hard rock friends in high school that you listen to Billy Joel. Nowadays, I think that is true for Sharks. Too many people know about it. Better to find some hidden gem so that you can brag to the world that you found some diamond in the rough....who wouldn't rather say to a fellow Shark's Monger "Sharks? Oh, you're still going there? I go to the Planet Happy Garden" or some shit like this. However, if you are a local you may find your niche somewhere and save a lot of money over the long haul.
I have my favorite places and they sometimes change. Here I like Sharks and in Brazil I like Brooklin in Montreal I like Euphoria...Other places are good too. But I like these the best.
Payforit: your taxi driver got commissions at least at DV. Pretty sure he got some at Magnum too. But at DV I am 100% they pay commissions.
Pay4 it: well the bad Artemis visit was on a Monday. Worst day of the week. So it is hard to say. It was better 6 days earlier on a Tuesday.
Regarding the girls at oceans it seems like they are having much less training than at some other clubs, and are more free to do what they want. So the YMMV factor seems higher. To me that sometimes feels like a positive. But it can also mean that you can be approached less than at other clubs of course. Maybe its due to the layout of the club also, and people (girls) feel more like they are being watched by everyone as opposed to how other clubs have their layouts. This factor may be more so at slow nights, and maybe due to some girls naturally being introverts too. Regrading the Arab or Turkish customers, I agree it can feel like some clicks you must get into, and some of the groups there can occasionally feel like it seems they think they own the place. Which is bad I guess. Management should do what they can to negate this. I just try to avoid them, but normally I meet more nice guys than jerks there, so its only been one or two times I've felt it was a problem.
Problem is NRW doesn't have a ton of great clubs, just a lot of OK clubs, so usually it feels like a jungle to find one of two great girls. But a lot of girls also hop between clubs maybe twice a week somewhere. One girl at a different NRW club told me she worked at 3 clubs at the same time, and just switches whenever she wants.
Years ago a fellow monger that I met at Oase who happened to be from the same county as me back in the States (Small world) told me that admitting that admitting you like Oase is "pass" like telling your hard rock friends in high school that you listen to Billy Joel. Nowadays, I think that is true for Sharks. Too many people know about it. Better to find some hidden gem so that you can brag to the world that you found some diamond in the rough....who wouldn't rather say to a fellow Shark's Monger "Sharks? Oh, you're still going there? I go to the Planet Happy Garden" or some shit like this. However, if you are a local you may find your niche somewhere and save a lot of money over the long haul.Last year that hip club was Finca. You were a pro if you had been to Finca and spotted that 'hidden gem'. It deserved respect in the FKK community if you mentioned Finca. I overheard a random guy at Oase last year mentioning Finca as the one hidden gem at the time. The other guy listened carefully as if the guru of zen was speaking.
After a few days break to rest up I returned to Germany on a Saturday afternoon. I decided to visit FKK Oceans in Dusseldorf. Paid the 65 E entry and went to get something to drink. They scanned my locker key for a beer that was suppose to be free until 7 PM. After I got my free beer I went outside as it was a nice warm sunny day & also because this big ass club was almost empty of any Girls. I met some local guys outside and one spoke English. He translated for me with the others. Around 5 PM some girls began showing up. Soon after that a couple of girls from Greece came outside and approached me about me seeing them together. One was a petite blue-eyed black haired very attractive 20 YO girl named Amelia. She had pale skin along with a firm hard body that I wanted to get my hands on! The other girl whose name I forgot didn't interest me but she did all the talking. They wanted 200 E each for an hour. I told them I thought it was 50 E per half hour in this club. The guy who was translating for me came over and talked to the girls in German to try to get the price down. The blonde said the best they would do would do 100 E each per 1/2 HR. I told them no and they left.
I was getting hungry and wanted a quick snack so I went to the restaurant area. You order from a menu in this club and I was told that my entry fee included only one meal. I decided to wait & got a coffee from the bar. At least that was free. I spent some time either walking around or sitting in the back to check out the girls. At times I would notice Amelia walking around or at the bar. After an hour or so I sat down on a Loveseat near the bar to watch her. She was the only girl in the club giving me the "tingles" so far so I approached her. I asked her if the 1/2 HR included kissing, BBBJ, 69 & sex with a condom. She took a sip of her drink then looked at me and said kinda prissy "yes. For 100 Euros. " I agreed.
Amelia wore sexy black panties & bra in the club. When she removed them in the room I finally got to see just how nice her body was. Firm tight ass along a set of firm small see cup titties. We got on the bed and she pulled out a package of wipes. I expected her to use them on me but she wiped only her pussy. We started light kissing and Amelia moved down for a BBBJ which she did well. After a few minutes she sat up and grabbed a condom. She then looked at me and said " Oh, you wanted to lick my pussy" and she put the condom down and moved on top of me for 69. Her BBBJ again was good but her hygiene not so much. Even with the wiping there was an odor. It was not from her pussy itself but from the surrounding area. She tasted fine but every once in a while I would get a whiff of the odor. Since Amelia was on top and the odor wasn't that bad as long as I kept my nose down, I licked on.
After Amelia popped she moved off me and then put the condom on me. She sat on my dick and slowly moved her pussy up and down while I reached out to fondle her firm titties. I then had her move around for Doggy. She soon grabbed a handful of sheets and started making grunting noises as I held onto her firm ass. When her grunts got louder I grabbed her hips pulling her into me and fucked her hard & fast. It felt great but I was now upwind of her pussy. I told her to turn over and move up on the bed so I could get on top of her. When I got on top of her Amelia turned her head to the side. Guess she didn't care for the odor! She was tight and I was enjoying being inside her as well as on top of her firm body. I took long slow stokes to prolong the pleasure but after a few minutes Amelia let out a groan & raised her legs up slightly. When I felt her warm juices I couldn't hold back any longer and I finished inside her. After I got up I noticed her using the wipes again and I was so tempted to tell her that she should wash her pussy a little better but decided not to. Along with her attractive face and great body she was sort of a Diva!
After my shower I went to the restaurant and remembering what someone had written about the food I ordered the Entrecote Steak instead of the Rump steak most people get. It was a big Juicy grilled Rib eye steak and had to be one of the best steaks I ever had in my life. Along with the french fries & salad it was a very satisfying meal to go along with my somewhat smelly but still very satisfying session with Amelia. I hung out with the guys outside for a while and talked to an interesting German girl who was there with one of the guys. She told me most girls only charge 50 E for a 1/2 HR session. It seems Amelia had me by the balls and she knew it!
When I left the club they wanted to charge me for the beer I drank but I told them I only drank beer before 7 PM and then switched to cola. A manager came over & after checking the computer finally said I didn't owe anything. Also I forgot to mention that while the one meal was included in the 65 E entry they will charge you 5. 90 Euros for Desert if you order it. I have mixed feeling about this club. It is a nice looking club but there were a lot less girls than I thought would be there on a Saturday. In the end I can't complain. 165 Euros for a nice time with a hot girl along with a great meal and beer was worth it. Meeting & hanging out with the Guys in the back yard was just an added bonus. I might go back someday.
http://fkk-oceans.de/ you can select the language as English on the top left if needed.
After a few days break to rest up I returned to Germany on a Saturday afternoon. I decided to visit FKK Oceans in Dusseldorf. Paid the 65 E entry and went to get something to drink. They scanned my locker key for a beer that was suppose to be free until 7 PM. After I got my free beer I went outside as it was a nice warm sunny day & also because this big ass club was almost empty of any Girls. I met some local guys outside and one spoke English. He translated for me with the others. Around 5 PM some girls began showing up. Soon after that a couple of girls from Greece came outside and approached me about me seeing them together. One was a petite blue-eyed black haired very attractive 20 YO girl named Amelia. She had pale skin along with a firm hard body that I wanted to get my hands on! The other girl whose name I forgot didn't interest me but she did all the talking. They wanted 200 E each for an hour. I told them I thought it was 50 E per half hour in this club. The guy who was translating for me came over and talked to the girls in German to try to get the price down. The blonde said the best they would do would do 100 E each per 1/2 HR. I told them no and they left.
I was getting hungry and wanted a quick snack so I went to the restaurant area. You order from a menu in this club and I was told that my entry fee included only one meal. I decided to wait & got a coffee from the bar. At least that was free. I spent some time either walking around or sitting in the back to check out the girls. At times I would notice Amelia walking around or at the bar. After an hour or so I sat down on a Loveseat near the bar to watch her. She was the only girl in the club giving me the "tingles" so far so I approached her. I asked her if the 1/2 HR included kissing, BBBJ, 69 & sex with a condom. She took a sip of her drink then looked at me and said kinda prissy "yes. For 100 Euros. " I agreed..I am like you, I actually like the food at Oceans comparison to other FKK clubs, but it is too bad that you are only allowed one meal, I prefer maybe two meals would be great.
PussyLiccker
10-31-18, 23:53
If I can get at least 2 steak meals and unlimited softdrinks I would be more inclined to visit. I can go to YY and enjoy the buffet. Luv their buffet.
LU was about 35-40 girls. But I really didn't like it. Some ukraine ladies were topping it. There were a few german ones, maybe 3-4. But nothing special.
ExpatLover
11-01-18, 05:15
If I can get at least 2 steak meals and unlimited softdrinks I would be more inclined to visit. I can go to YY and enjoy the buffet. Luv their buffet.Sorry I don t go for drinks or food what s matter is the LU and service and that is terrible there.
PussyLiccker
11-01-18, 10:41
LU was about 35-40 girls. But I really didn't like it. Some ukraine ladies were topping it. There were a few german ones, maybe 3-4. But nothing special.Really? Ukrainian? You sure not Romanian? You can tell when they roll their tongue when they speak. LOL. Although sometimes there's ones that have that Baltic look and say their mom, pop, grandma, or grand daddy is from Russia or Ukraine.
It's hard to believe because I pretty much never meet them and if I do, most likely older types or 2nd generation Ukrainian-German. Both I met were 2nd generation.
Are the Germans usually there on the right side near the restraunt at the end of the bar? On my visits I would see 1 or 2, but never really been my type.
Last hot girl I've seen there was Bul Emma who was blonde. Strikingly hot. My friend told me her service was terrible. That made me sad.
If I can get at least 2 steak meals and unlimited softdrinks I would be more inclined to visit. I can go to YY and enjoy the buffet. Luv their buffet.So now food is good at YY too as well as line up optically? Then I should go there instead of GT.
For service I can negotiate.
Re Ukrainian: I will not be able to confirm that to you. It might have been a fake pretention. Similar to the many romanians / bulgarians that claim to be spanish or italian. And when you start speaking to them in spanish, the lie is revealed LOL.
Re German corner: Yes, there seems to be a german corner in most sauna clubs: In oceans, it is like you describe, the corner of the bar near to the restaurant. Although I picked up some germans also from their way of the smoking room outside etc etc.
Really? Ukrainian? You sure not Romanian? You can tell when they roll their tongue when they speak. LOL. Although sometimes there's ones that have that Baltic look and say their mom, pop, grandma, or grand daddy is from Russia or Ukraine.
It's hard to believe because I pretty much never meet them and if I do, most likely older types or 2nd generation Ukrainian-German. Both I met were 2nd generation.
Are the Germans usually there on the right side near the restraunt at the end of the bar? On my visits I would see 1 or 2, but never really been my type.
Last hot girl I've seen there was Bul Emma who was blonde. Strikingly hot. My friend told me her service was terrible. That made me sad.
ExpatLover
11-02-18, 06:11
Re Ukrainian: I will not be able to confirm that to you. It might have been a fake pretention. Similar to the many romanians / bulgarians that claim to be spanish or italian. And when you start speaking to them in spanish, the lie is revealed LOL.
Re German corner: Yes, there seems to be a german corner in most sauna clubs: In oceans, it is like you describe, the corner of the bar near to the restaurant. Although I picked up some germans also from their way of the smoking room outside etc etc.90% of the girls are from Romania, the German corner are mostly not with native speaking German girls, very few German girls need to be in a FKK club so many other options in Germany.
Really? Ukrainian? You sure not Romanian? You can tell when they roll their tongue when they speak. LOL. Although sometimes there's ones that have that Baltic look and say their mom, pop, grandma, or grand daddy is from Russia or Ukraine.
It's hard to believe because I pretty much never meet them and if I do, most likely older types or 2nd generation Ukrainian-German. Both I met were 2nd generation.
Are the Germans usually there on the right side near the restraunt at the end of the bar? On my visits I would see 1 or 2, but never really been my type.
Last hot girl I've seen there was Bul Emma who was blonde. Strikingly hot. My friend told me her service was terrible. That made me sad.There was at least one girl there for a year or two who claimed to be Ukrainian. She told me she'd quit though. Maybe she returned now. Aside from that Oceans is fairly international compared to the other NRW clubs with Bulgarians, a few Germans, the occasional Asian and usually 1-3 Africans in the weekends. But as at every FKK, a few Romanians fake their country of origin there as well.
Bulgarian Emma (nuela), sister of Meggie can be great in the room. Maybe its ymmv. Meggie is more passionate though, but both have good kamasutra techniques. Among the fun and honest girls I would claim.
So now food is good at YY too as well as line up optically? Then I should go there instead of GT.
For service I can negotiate.YY always had the best food among the NRW (+2 NL) clubs. Only the a la carte Oceans food can compare, but at YY they have it buffet style.
YY always had the best food among the NRW (+2 NL) clubs. Only the a la carte Oceans food can compare, but at YY they have it buffet style.So I found you who also think Oceans a la carte food is good comparison to other FKK, I always thought so, but many disagree and always talk about bad chinese food at sharks LOL.
YY has good food is good to know and I hope line up is as good as some fellow mongers says, LU filled with Eleny or better beauties at YY? LOL.
So I found you who also think Oceans a la carte food is good comparison to other FKK, I always thought so, but many disagree and always talk about bad chinese food at sharks LOL.
YY has good food is good to know and I hope line up is as good as some fellow mongers says, LU filled with Eleny or better beauties at YY? LOL.Well for me, I feel YY is a top 3 in nrw when it comes to beauties alongside aca and oceans. Samya sometimes too even if I am not a big fan of the ambience there. And the samya food is dogfood.
Dunno how to compare every girl to Eleny, LOL. Go and see for yourself. Michaela is maybe the prettiest at YY. 1. 58 meters, slim and blonde. Oceans girls are in average more fit, so they probably go to the gym more. Aca girls too seems to be more fit. YY and Samya girls are slimmer perhaps.
On an average scale of fit and defined girls towards slim and less fitness among the 4 clubs: Acapulco. Oceans - YinYang. Samya. But that's just average. Still it seems like a pointer towards the general local culture in the 4 mentioned clubs.
I've come to realise that Asian men for example are very much choosing girls depending on the legs of the girls. While many Europeans look more at the upper body. I don't know if you are Asian or European living in Japan though. But it seems like its random weather or not someone prefers fit and defined over slim, or vice versa. And it may have something to do with how much energy and muscle the guys themselves have. Facial beauty is something else, but if you work out a lot, that gives you more defined facial features. If you don't exercise and want defined facial features its easy for many to stop eating and get eating disorders. Which is bad. But I sense it could be a bigger problem on the side of the scale where Samya is with its currency local culture among the girls.
YY always had the best food among the NRW (+2 NL) clubs. Only the a la carte Oceans food can compare, but at YY they have it buffet style.I agree that Oceans and YY have top selection for food. I think this is indicative of a club being built in a facility designed for entertainment that includes nice food. Many of the clubs are converted houses that were design to host up to twenty or thirty people at the most. Toss in 40 ladies and 60 men and you end up feeding them from a mobile military kitchen in the garden. There are other things I don't like about the two clubs that keep me from visiting as often, but the food and facilities are not the problem.
Do the ladies at Oceans have to pay for the food as well? If they do, perhaps their appearance of being fit is a result of eating less.
Do the ladies at Oceans have to pay for the food as well? If they do, perhaps their appearance of being fit is a result of eating less.Not sure if they have to pay for the meals past their first free meal which I know they get, but I know many of the Oceans girls go to the gym and also dance a bit either on or off the stage. A few Aca girls go even more to the gym. While I don't think any Samya girls go to the gym. Maybe a few at YY does.
But lack of food at Oceans is probably not the biggest problem considering the massive size of the dishes and the fact most girls hardly weight more than 50 kg, and many even less. Compare that to guys weighting 80-100 kg, and we need twice as much food to sustain us. For many of the girls, you see food being left over when they are done eating. Its just too much for some to eat in one meal.
I think a bigger problem for some girls trying to stay fit and defined at clubs is if the food quality is bad. I remember back a few years ago at Oase when they made us pay for food with those 10 e chips. Which was a disaster to say the least. 90% of the girls who ate there chose the junk food that is those cheese pizzas, and the fitness of the girls fell almost immediately. I talked to a few girls there who refused to even eat at Oase back then, and only ate before or after work. And one girl only picked the salad, because she didn't want the pizza junk. And the options were horrible.
It definitely isn't a lazy girls job to work at an FKK. Most of their income is based on looks even if attitude is a bonus also. It is probably a 80-20 thing. I suppose they need to have a mind of an athlete.
On an average scale of fit and defined girls towards slim and less fitness among the 4 clubs: Acapulco. Oceans - YinYang. Samya. But that's just average. Still it seems like a pointer towards the general local culture in the 4 mentioned clubs.
I've come to realise that Asian men for example are very much choosing girls depending on the legs of the girls. While many Europeans look more at the upper body. I don't know if you are Asian or European living in Japan though. But it seems like its random weather or not someone prefers fit and defined over slim, or vice versa. And it may have something to do with how much energy and muscle the guys themselves have. Facial beauty is something else, but if you work out a lot, that gives you more defined facial features. If you don't exercise and want defined facial features its easy for many to stop eating and get eating disorders. Which is bad. But I sense it could be a bigger problem on the side of the scale where Samya is with its currency local culture among the girls.East Asians go with any blond, fake blond, not really pretty, so Cosmina at Sharks turned to blond, Megan also, but I found Megan prettier when natural chestnut at Mainhattan. Cosmina was brunette in 2014. At least, Evita was able to play actress, staying brunette.
Well for me, I feel YY is a top 3 in nrw when it comes to beauties alongside aca and oceans. Samya sometimes too even if I am not a big fan of the ambience there. And the samya food is dogfood.
Dunno how to compare every girl to Eleny, LOL. Go and see for yourself. Michaela is maybe the prettiest at YY. 1. 58 meters, slim and blonde. Oceans girls are in average more fit, so they probably go to the gym more. Aca girls too seems to be more fit. YY and Samya girls are slimmer perhaps.Well as long as girls are slender it is all cool, if slender with natural good tit, better, but what I care most is face then body. Oceans can be disaster, but I so far found one or three max stunner to my eye in line up each visit. So I am happy, but in some occasion only one stunner in line up and if she was not there, then I would be in big problem situation to decide not to go with anyone in FKK.
As for food, I like ocean in NRW though one plate is bit tight, it would be nice two meal is more kind on visitor, but I also find borsch Russian soup at gt not bad at all, also in Hessen surprisingly I did like Oase food though every one complain about Oase food, I mean it was paid pizza and also pasta for me and one cannot go that wrong with those two Italian dishes, so it was good considering it is FKK food.
.As for food, I like ocean in NRW though one plate is bit tight, it would be nice two meal is more kind on visitor, but I also find borsch Russian soup at gt not bad at all, also in Hessen surprisingly I did like Oase food though every one complain about Oase food, I mean it was paid pizza and also pasta for me and one cannot go that wrong with those two Italian dishes, so it was good considering it is FKK food.Oase food has improved since 3-4 years ago.
Oase food has improved since 3-4 years ago.I went there last 3 or 4 years ago in 2015 LOL, it was already good comparison to other FKK like sharks, which people seemed to be fond of their bad Chinese food LOL. I liked paid pizza and pasta at Oase, which is hard dishes to go totally wrong.
It is good to know food got better even more, I hope line up and services improved also, at least line up optically.
I went there last 3 or 4 years ago in 2015 LOL, it was already good comparison to other FKK like sharks, which people seemed to be fond of their bad Chinese food LOL. I liked paid pizza and pasta at Oase, which is hard dishes to go totally wrong.
It is good to know food got better even more, I hope line up and services improved also, at least line up optically.Well, for you it might not have improved much then. If you liked their pizza. Their pasta was the only thing I used to like back then, but all the Italians I spoke to complained about that one too. LOL. I suppose you can compare it to Chinese or Asian people complaining about the Chinese food at sharks. I actually find the spring rolls and duck at sharks during Chinese food day to be the only good stuff they have, LOL. So I suppose we are different.
Well, for you it might not have improved much then. If you liked their pizza. Their pasta was the only thing I used to like back then, but all the Italians I spoke to complained about that one too. LOL. I suppose you can compare it to Chinese or Asian people complaining about the Chinese food at sharks. I actually find the spring rolls and duck at sharks during Chinese food day to be the only good stuff they have, LOL. So I suppose we are different.I am talking with in FKK industry level for food.
I would not pay for those food if it is not in FKK.
Oceans is good set up as club and food is good comparison to other FKK, and line up so far is acceptable with one to three stunners within whole line up. Once there was only one stunner.
But I must say if there was not one stunner, I would have been stuck with no girls I want to session with, this is my concern each time I am on my way to oceans.
But as a club set up, beside lacking water area like swimming pool, I do like the set up of oceans. But anyways, I never really swim in FKK, or go into water even, so it is not so important to me.
"stunner" is a term that is very much subjective. Do you mean stunner as in very beautiful face, or awesome body, or awesome service?
All 3? And you are already talking 100 e / 30 min for the most basic service. Unless you are lucky and she doesn't yet know, how stunning she is. Typically this is only the first 2-3 days of her WG career.
I am talking with in FKK industry level for food.
I would not pay for those food if it is not in FKK.
Oceans is good set up as club and food is good comparison to other FKK, and line up so far is acceptable with one to three stunners within whole line up. Once there was only one stunner.
But I must say if there was not one stunner, I would have been stuck with no girls I want to session with, this is my concern each time I am on my way to oceans.
But as a club set up, beside lacking water area like swimming pool, I do like the set up of oceans. But anyways, I never really swim in FKK, or go into water even, so it is not so important to me.
And who of the Oceans LU is a stunner right now? Or in any of the other clubs? Just so that I / we understand.
"stunner" is a term that is very much subjective. Do you mean stunner as in very beautiful face, or awesome body, or awesome service?
All 3? And you are already talking 100 e / 30 min for the most basic service. Unless you are lucky and she doesn't yet know, how stunning she is. Typically this is only the first 2-3 days of her WG career.
"stunner" is a term that is very much subjective. Do you mean stunner as in very beautiful face, or awesome body, or awesome service?
All 3? And you are already talking 100 e / 30 min for the most basic service. Unless you are lucky and she doesn't yet know, how stunning she is. Typically this is only the first 2-3 days of her WG career.First two, so both, service can be fixed for me upon negotiation or it let me cut the session at 30 min. I like typical beautiful girls both face and body and I do not mind tit size too much, it can be small as long as it is beautiful small tit.
I usually settle for 150 euro for one hour, or max is 2 hours 250 euro, but I cannot stay longer in room, it get too much.
I am aware of 100 euro 30 min session that is around for awhile now, which for me is reasonable if GFE is all included, which often is.
Ocean is upsell club, but comparison to Berlin or Hessen, ocean is mild upselling and so far, service is delivered, so I got no complain except there was one time, if that one stunner was not there, I would have went to ocean with no girl I want to goto room with. Since ocean is rather one big club set up with big enough space, I hope they will add more girls to line up.
Opposite of bar sofa areas are never really full, just girls hanging out sitting and standing by bar and it is often hard to see, so I hunt when girls are eating with clear lighting on girls face or at reception area is also good area to hunt, but hard to stay there for long time LOL.
Vito Corleone
11-18-18, 23:57
And who of the Oceans LU is a stunner right now? Or in any of the other clubs? Just so that I / we understand.The only "stunner" at this place is being absolutely stunned they were persistent in charging the taxi fee even though I provided my car keys!
He was asking for a name of a specific girl that you consider a stunner. This way we can gauge your elite monger taste.
First two, so both, service can be fixed for me upon negotiation or it let me cut the session at 30 min. I like typical beautiful girls both face and body and I do not mind tit size too much, it can be small as long as it is beautiful small tit.
I usually settle for 150 euro for one hour, or max is 2 hours 250 euro, but I cannot stay longer in room, it get too much.
I am aware of 100 euro 30 min session that is around for awhile now, which for me is reasonable if GFE is all included, which often is.
Ocean is upsell club, but comparison to Berlin or Hessen, ocean is mild upselling and so far, service is delivered, so I got no complain except there was one time, if that one stunner was not there, I would have went to ocean with no girl I want to goto room with. Since ocean is rather one big club set up with big enough space, I hope they will add more girls to line up..
PussyLiccker
11-20-18, 11:00
Someone I'd consider a stunning face at least would be a girl I've recently seen at thr Duisburg RLD. She claimed half Spanish and Italian. That's usually a sign that she is Romanian, but I didn't think she was when I spoke to her. She had such a pretty face, and see girls of her face level hardly in the clubs. Is it the prices in Duisburg RLD that's makes the place distinct? It's usually 30 Euros for 20 or 30 min there I don't see why this place would be any unique from Fra RLD. Still got those god damn stairs you usually walk up. I can see distinction in pricing from Pasha, which girls charge tourist pricing. I saw some diversity, but very minor. Some Germans besides the chubby old latinas. Ran into a Ukrainian.
If service is not important and you got a car, check out the RLD at the right timing (when girls are working), there's a few that really stand-out on any RLD. I noticed this with Pasha and Duisburg. I mean how much different is services at RLD vs Oceans? Lol.
ExpatLover
11-20-18, 19:26
Someone I'd consider a stunning face at least would be a girl I've recently seen at thr Duisburg RLD. She claimed half Spanish and Italian. That's usually a sign that she is Romanian, but I didn't think she was when I spoke to her. She had such a pretty face, and see girls of her face level hardly in the clubs. Is it the prices in Duisburg RLD that's makes the place distinct? It's usually 30 Euros for 20 or 30 min there I don't see why this place would be any unique from Fra RLD. Still got those god damn stairs you usually walk up. I can see distinction in pricing from Pasha, which girls charge tourist pricing. I saw some diversity, but very minor. Some Germans besides the chubby old latinas. Ran into a Ukrainian.
If service is not important and you got a car, check out the RLD at the right timing (when girls are working), there's a few that really stand-out on any RLD. I noticed this with Pasha and Duisburg. I mean how much different is services at RLD vs Oceans? Lol.For me 0 interest to visit any RLD tried it several times but so cheap sex without any erotic nothing just mechanical sex, a real no go for me.
Given Mr. Ho has mentioned Eleny about 20 times in this thread, a few of you really should buy glasses. I think it is obvious he considers her a stunner, and I tend to agree on that one. She is perhaps the most consistent girl there that I find in the lineup too among the top girls, or stunners as he puts it I know of at Oceans too. Some of the other top girls are nore on vacations it seems, or maybe I am not 100% up to date now as I have turned down my visit ratio this year. Hopeful to go back up next year.
But its hard to tag all girls with 'stunner', or 'not stunner' tags. Sounds a bit black and white.
Given Mr. Ho has mentioned Eleny about 20 times in this thread, a few of you really should buy glasses. I think it is obvious he considers her a stunner, and I tend to agree on that one. She is perhaps the most consistent girl there that I find in the lineup too among the top girls, or stunners as he puts it I know of at Oceans too. Some of the other top girls are nore on vacations it seems, or maybe I am not 100% up to date now as I have turned down my visit ratio this year. Hopeful to go back up next year.
But its hard to tag all girls with 'stunner', or 'not stunner' tags. Sounds a bit black and white.The bottom line is there really is very small numbers of stunner level girls in line up and oddly, I often only meet most stunner I met at oceans once or twice because after few visits they seems to be moved to different club.
And this club is really not a club to go before 5 pm. Line up is really bad and slim, like you can count all girls in few seconds.
Since it is night time shift club, for me ocean is the place I go straight after I land because I usually land at around 7 pm at Duss from where I live or I use ocean as safety net club if line up at gt fails me and LR I prefer to attend from morning than night because some night I went to LR, it was packed at gt with no rooms to be found and also girls as they are in rooms LOL. So far I never really seen oceans packed, but oceans is gamble club as in you may face line up with no stunner at least to my taste, so each time I am heading toward oceans, I am bit anxious about line up level.
Yeah, stunner or beauty is point of view too because there are many times in FKK where I see stunner girl at bar and I begin to walk toward her then I see other guy walking toward her before me, and I am like, oh she is taken, then this guy go up to fat plastic monster girl standing next to stunner girl I saw and take the plastic monster to room and I am like wow thanks inside me LOL. So it is matter of taste, but I usually like beauty to all men and women point of view type of stunner, like girl out of magazine type.
It is too bad because ocean can be such a good club, but somehow they failed to collect good line up comparison to other FKK in Duss area and I am quite sadly convinced that there will be a day that I go to oceans and find no stunner in line up that I end up just eating there and go back to hotel, there already was one time, I only found one stunner in whole line up as I mentioned, without her I would have been there with no girl I want to session with, so in that sense, ocean is risky club.
"stunner" is a term that is very much subjective. Do you mean stunner as in very beautiful face, or awesome body, or awesome service?
All 3? And you are already talking 100 e / 30 min for the most basic service. Unless you are lucky and she doesn't yet know, how stunning she is. Typically this is only the first 2-3 days of her WG career.Preferably both face and body LOL.
As for service I can handle to most extent, but lately some clubs are getting real extreme with up selling that make me stay a way. I do not find up sell at oceans so bad as I mentioned, but bad comparison to GT or LR, I never experienced up sell at either GT or LR, just sometime mild gesture wanting to go for one hour.
PussyLiccker
11-22-18, 09:11
Preferably both face and body LOL.
As for service I can handle to most extent, but lately some clubs are getting real extreme with up selling that make me stay a way. I do not find up sell at oceans so bad as I mentioned, but bad comparison to GT or LR, I never experienced up sell at either GT or LR, just sometime mild gesture wanting to go for one hour.It's interesting I rarely get upsells at GT, but GT would be the one if anybody get upsold compared to LR. I'm not really a regular there, but I do attend more than most non-regulars there I presume. I suspect GT can get as bad as any really bad tourist clubs if not for the management. LR is probably lowest statistucally of anywhere if counting out the small clubs with a more tight pricing structure. I have heard some guys say they have gotten propositions for 1 HR minimum there, but this could depends on who you talk to and I avoid such circumstances.
It all comes down to management and there are clubs like Oceans catagorically that low services and upsells happen due to the nature of how management is handled.
Let's take teo Stuttgart clubs Sakura and Paradise for example. It's obvious Sakura's management is different.
That is an old hat trick. Everybody coming with a taxi knows that. (just kidding).
The only "stunner" at this place is being absolutely stunned they were persistent in charging the taxi fee even though I provided my car keys!
It's interesting I rarely get upsells at GT, but GT would be the one if anybody get upsold compared to LR. I'm not really a regular there, but I do attend more than most non-regulars there I presume. I suspect GT can get as bad as any really bad tourist clubs if not for the management. LR is probably lowest statistucally of anywhere if counting out the small clubs with a more tight pricing structure. I have heard some guys say they have gotten propositions for 1 HR minimum there, but this could depends on who you talk to and I avoid such circumstances.
It all comes down to management and there are clubs like Oceans catagorically that low services and upsells happen due to the nature of how management is handled.
Let's take teo Stuttgart clubs Sakura and Paradise for example. It's obvious Sakura's management is different.Well as for upsell, I got no complaint any where beside Artemis and Palace and Oase. For me all other clubs are OK, even at Oceans, upsell so far has been to the level I can handle. My tolerance level is 150 euro one hour full GFE package, this is my tolerance level of upsell that I am happy to buy into if service is provided, but nowadays one has to clarify the definition of GFE LOL. Because some girls do some stupid staff like oh DATY is not included in GFE service kinda thing LOL. So I got to go through the details of GFE before room now LOL. This is something I find annoying.
As for gt and LR, I can say I never got upsell in those two clubs, but I do understand girl prefer one hour when you wait long time for room to be free which often happen there, but none of girl told me on my face that one hour minimum there strongly, for service I like LR and GT.
As for management, in oceans, I pay 65 or 60 euro or something like that, I do tell reception desk that I came with bus which I do from duss rath station or once I even walked as bus station was under construction, when I take taxi I usually get off at Suzuki or Mazda garage that is around corner that seem to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) taxi driver off and I even got into shouting battle with one of taxi driver as he was giving bad attitude, I think he know what I was doing LOL. Only complain I got for ocean is that I prefer two meals than just one meal.
ExpatLover
11-23-18, 05:46
I am paying 50 euros for 30 minutes but always will stay longer, I don t need to ask what is included everything is included except anal and CIM. Never got any issues.
PussyLiccker
11-25-18, 10:45
Front desk tried to rip me off. Told me 80 Euros for the entry. I asked why, and the fat older front desk lady told me it's the weekend. Bullshit. Didn't even ask if I came in a cab and later said, I thought I cam in a cab. Whatever. I ended up payong the regular entry in the end.
It's like 15 Euros above 65 is the taxi tariff.
No many clients around 7 pm on a Fri night, and about 30 girls. Around 9 pm or so, the LU takes full-effect. This club gets going late if anybody has been following the thread. About 40 girls around 9-10 pm.
Awhile back when I showed up at around midsnight there were a huge sausagefest of Turkish, but it was when lots of them used free entry cards. A girl told me 1-2AM is when client comes in full force.
There are several stand-out girls at this club. No Eleny this time, but Ro have pretty faces at this club. Sophia Ro worked at this club, and she was sexy as hell! There's a blonde Albanian looks pretty with a pretty face. The small quantity of hot Romanians are just stronger here in optiks than any other club with large LUs.
After just lounging around, I immediately was taken back when Kira, Ro appeared. She was close to stunning. Her face was so pretty! Looked like a mix of African, Asian, and European with straight black hair with bangs. Large natural boobs, see-cups. Polished. Dayam. Pretty much a model with model face. Unfortunately, her service mediocre. But, hot damn! She had a Latina look, and it's interesting how there ones like that out there. Quite a rarity though, never have seen a Ro with a face like her. I think she could be a Vic Secret model.
There was 4-5 Germans. Not exactly slim, but one was ex-LR with classy pretry face. Other had a nice face, but not slim. The other two was Turkish I believe.
The caveat with all this is that the services is very basic now with the new law, and upsells. You may find a rare one that doesn't, but in clubs like this, girls go by union prices. Same at Magnum. It's too bad since you can find the hot ones in them.
I guess Mr Ho will find a stunner or two. LOL. There's some good looking girls if that's all needed, but we wary of the services here. Atmosphere here feels very bland as well, and not the like the type of Romies at LR, that honed their crafts conversing with men long durations.
I'm motivated to session at LR, but not here.
Personally, I really don't want to support such a club.
Front desk tried to rip me off. Told me 80 Euros for the entry. I asked why, and the fat older front desk lady told me it's the weekend. Bullshit. Didn't even ask if I came in a cab and later said, I thought I cam in a cab. Whatever. I ended up payong the regular entry in the end.
It's like 15 Euros above 65 is the taxi tariff.PL,
I'm glad you decided to share this. When we talked about it I wasn't sure you would pass on the experience. If not for things like this and continual upselling this club could be on top in NRW.
Front desk tried to rip me off. Told me 80 Euros for the entry. I asked why, and the fat older front desk lady told me it's the weekend. Bullshit. Didn't even ask if I came in a cab and later said, I thought I cam in a cab. Whatever. I ended up payong the regular entry in the end.
It's like 15 Euros above 65 is the taxi tariff.
I guess Mr Ho will find a stunner or two. LOL. There's some good looking girls if that's all needed, but we wary of the services here. Atmosphere here feels very bland as well, and not the like the type of Romies at LR, that honed their crafts conversing with men long durations.
I'm motivated to session at LR, but not here.
Personally, I really don't want to support such a club.Yes, I usually hope so when I am heading to Oceans because for me it is safety net club, usually I find one as I said, but once it was only one stunner, so that was bit dangerous night to me if she was not there.
One thing for sure is that, once I went around 4 pm and really there are only like maybe 6 girls, more came at around 6 pm, but this is not club to go before let say 6 pm.
Oddly, beside all complaints, I never had issue with reception, but I do pay 65 euro. No taxi is needed here, you can take bus from duss rath station, or even walk, it is like 15 min walk.
ExpatLover
11-26-18, 03:29
Yes, I usually hope so when I am heading to Oceans because for me it is safety net club, usually I find one as I said, but once it was only one stunner, so that was bit dangerous night to me if she was not there.
One thing for sure is that, once I went around 4 pm and really there are only like maybe 6 girls, more came at around 6 pm, but this is not club to go before let say 6 pm.
Oddly, beside all complaints, I never had issue with reception, but I do pay 65 euro. No taxi is needed here, you can take bus from duss rath station, or even walk, it is like 15 min walk.Dead club just have a look at the German forums.
Kamsutra69
12-11-18, 10:51
Front desk tried to rip me off. Told me 80 Euros for the entry. I asked why, and the fat older front desk lady told me it's the weekend. Bullshit. Didn't even ask if I came in a cab and later said, I thought I cam in a cab. Whatever. I ended up payong the regular entry in the end.
It's like 15 Euros above 65 is the taxi tariff. Same thing happened with me at Oceans. Did a mistake of saying that I am here for the first time. Which was true. But I have been to other FKK's many times. The entry price immediately went up to 80/- Eur. When I asked, I was told it was because the "Messe" was in town. Bullshit! Plus I had to pay 5/- Eur for a softer bathrobe. The line up was still good and only got better as the evening progressed. Had three good sessions with Bulgarian Sandra, Greek Amelia and the Spanish / Bulgarian heavyset Claudia. I liked the atmosphere and the casual attitude of the girls there. They were not pushy with me (baring one) but they made sure to come over and spend time with me, just in case I would be interested. I liked that.
But FKK's are getting expensive. There was a time when you could enter in 25/30 Eur. There were happy hours too. Its expensive now and the service isn't guaranteed. A German girl kept pushing to try her for an authentic German experience. What is that like? Has anybody tried her?
Happy mongering!
ExpatLover
12-11-18, 19:51
Same thing happened with me at Oceans. Did a mistake of saying that I am here for the first time. Which was true. But I have been to other FKK's many times. The entry price immediately went up to 80/- Eur. When I asked, I was told it was because the "Messe" was in town. Bullshit! Plus I had to pay 5/- Eur for a softer bathrobe. The line up was still good and only got better as the evening progressed. Had three good sessions with Bulgarian Sandra, Greek Amelia and the Spanish / Bulgarian heavyset Claudia. I liked the atmosphere and the casual attitude of the girls there. They were not pushy with me (baring one) but they made sure to come over and spend time with me, just in case I would be interested. I liked that.
But FKK's are getting expensive. There was a time when you could enter in 25/30 Eur. There were happy hours too. Its expensive now and the service isn't guaranteed. A German girl kept pushing to try her for an authentic German experience. What is that like? Has anybody tried her?
Happy mongering!Just forget this cheating club, a really no go place just have a loo on the German forums.
No idea. I don't think there is anything non-authentic with germans. So authentic is just marketing jargon.
... A German girl kept pushing to try her for an authentic German experience. What is that like? ..
ExpatLover
12-12-18, 21:03
No idea. I don't think there is anything non-authentic with germans. So authentic is just marketing jargon.I wrote several times about the German girls in the clubs, most of them are stupid and not real native German, German girls don t need to work in a club and getting fucked 10 times or more every day, they can easily find a sugar daddy or be a escort.
Same thing happened with me at Oceans. Did a mistake of saying that I am here for the first time. Which was true. But I have been to other FKK's many times. The entry price immediately went up to 80/- Eur. When I asked, I was told it was because the "Messe" was in town. Bullshit! Plus I had to pay 5/- Eur for a softer bathrobe. The line up was still good and only got better as the evening progressed. Had three good sessions with Bulgarian Sandra, Greek Amelia and the Spanish / Bulgarian heavyset Claudia. I liked the atmosphere and the casual attitude of the girls there. They were not pushy with me (baring one) but they made sure to come over and spend time with me, just in case I would be interested. I liked that.
But FKK's are getting expensive. There was a time when you could enter in 25/30 Eur. There were happy hours too. Its expensive now and the service isn't guaranteed. A German girl kept pushing to try her for an authentic German experience. What is that like? Has anybody tried her?
Happy mongering!I usually like to abbreviate the post I'm replying to to limit just the part I want to address, but there is so much here to cover.
First, I hope you told them you would walk if they wanted €80 for entry.
Second, the robe scam is just that. When I've gone they have an old shabby robe on the desk and a fluffy grey robe. They tell me I can pay extra for the new fluffy robe. I don't and without fail when I get my cheaper robe it's in much better shape than the old shabby robe that was on the reception desk.
Sounds like you had good luck with ladies. I can see the sales tactics of the German girl but I don't see the benefits unless she is really filling your desires box. The "authentic German experience" is purely sex with a German lady vs a lady from some other country. Doesn't mean they are better or worse, just that they might actually hold a German passport.
But is the robe thingy really a scam? Or is it a micropayment option?
To me it seems like the same as an Asian gaming company would do in their android games. Nothing revolutionary, but the word scam is probably a bit incorrect here.
The increased price due to taxi commission is basically also a micropayment option. And it lowers the price for the rest of us who drive there ourselves. But here I agree they have a problem. Not in the pricing mechanics per day, but in the way the communication is handled, and it ends up being a PR disaster. But thankfully smart guys can navigate around it due to the info being here on ISG.
But is the robe thingy really a scam? Or is it a micropayment option?
To me it seems like the same as an Asian gaming company would do in their android games. Nothing revolutionary, but the word scam is probably a bit incorrect here.
The increased price due to taxi commission is basically also a micropayment option. And it lowers the price for the rest of us who drive there ourselves. But here I agree they have a problem. Not in the pricing mechanics per day, but in the way the communication is handled, and it ends up being a PR disaster. But thankfully smart guys can navigate around it due to the info being here on ISG.Scam, micro pricing, choose the word the makes you happier. The reason I said scan was because they had the worst sample of the lower priced robe on the table. When I looked at it my thoughts were, I really hope that one is not my size. I never found out because she turned and grabbed me a different robe of the same material. When I got inside, nobody wearing the white robe had on one that looked nearly as bad as the one on the reception table. To me, it's a way of tricking the man into thinking if he takes the cheaper option then he will get that very undesirable robe.
The way they miscommunicate the taxi commission is a scam, micro pricing, if you want. When you drive to the club and they don't recognize you, the immediately bump the price up. If you don't know better, then you pay the extra money. If you ask why it's not the posted price you hear, it's the weekend, it's messed, you came by taxi. If you aren't aware and pay, what do you think happens to this extra unreceipted cash money. The bad part is that this gives an example to the WGs of what level of business is tolerated in the club so the WGs try similar tactics.
When I meet a WG at another club and she says she worked at Oceans, my caution flag goes up. If she says she kisses, I have to verify what type of kissing. If she does normal covered sex I need to verify depth of penetration, what positions and how many changes are included. If she says BJ I need to verify for how many seconds and how much hand. I recently met a beautiful lady who had moved from Oceans. I thought there was no way a session with her could be bad because of the optics. It rates in the top ten worst sessions ever. I'm not saying that everything that's happened to me at Oceans has been bad but the bad out weighs the good.
Kamsutra69
12-17-18, 13:36
The robe charge feels like a cheap stunt. They could've very well asked for a 85 eur entry and threw in the robe for free. BTW I didn't pay for the robe. The normal one was just fine. Also, I hadn't taken a taxi. So it wasn't a commission. Like I said, I made a mistake saying that I was there for the first time.
I do expect to get fleeced in this game once in a while. The lure of pussies comes at a price. I do make provision for it but also make sure to report it.
But is the robe thingy really a scam? Or is it a micropayment option?
To me it seems like the same as an Asian gaming company would do in their android games. Nothing revolutionary, but the word scam is probably a bit incorrect here.
The increased price due to taxi commission is basically also a micropayment option. And it lowers the price for the rest of us who drive there ourselves. But here I agree they have a problem. Not in the pricing mechanics per day, but in the way the communication is handled, and it ends up being a PR disaster. But thankfully smart guys can navigate around it due to the info being here on ISG.
ExpatLover
12-17-18, 20:59
The robe charge feels like a cheap stunt. They could've very well asked for a 85 eur entry and threw in the robe for free. BTW I didn't pay for the robe. The normal one was just fine. Also, I hadn't taken a taxi. So it wasn't a commission. Like I said, I made a mistake saying that I was there for the first time.
I do expect to get fleeced in this game once in a while. The lure of pussies comes at a price. I do make provision for it but also make sure to report it.85 euros for the entry, not sure the club will survive.
When I meet a WG at another club and she says she worked at Oceans, my caution flag goes up. If she says she kisses, I have to verify what type of kissing. If she does normal covered sex I need to verify depth of penetration, what positions and how many changes are included. If she says BJ I need to verify for how many seconds and how much hand. I recently met a beautiful lady who had moved from Oceans. I thought there was no way a session with her could be bad because of the optics. It rates in the top ten worst sessions ever. I'm not saying that everything that's happened to me at Oceans has been bad but the bad out weighs the good.On a boring day in a so boring club where nothing to do except waiting for a rare beauty until 8 pm, I decided to break my moral rule, Andrea ex Oceans was the prettiest among a so average casting, and maybe she fell in love in bed, because kissing more than she said she would when we introduced to each other, not bad for sex, but even 25 yo, not enough woman sensuality to repeat when she asked few hours later, but at least a kissing beauty from Oceans for 1 hour.
In same club, had also a blond German real beauty with tattoo good wife behind legs, Jana from Oceans, she said not kissing at Oceans, but really kissing in boring club, and saying again not kissing at GT, but at least a really enjoyable 1 hour room with such a German beauty.
Unfortunately, Oceans desk try to fuck us, upselling entry, so I wait for beauties who will leave Oceans, like I discovered a ex Sharks girl on last week end, asking for her pleasure, so enthusiastic, real kisser, trying to please, no upselling.
We make girls how they behave for us. We are just able or not.
On a boring day in a so boring club where nothing to do except waiting for a rare beauty until 8 pm, I decided to break my moral rule, Andrea ex Oceans was the prettiest among a so average casting, and maybe she fell in love in bed, because kissing more than she said she would when we introduced to each other, not bad for sex, but even 25 yo, not enough woman sensuality to repeat when she asked few hours later, but at least a kissing beauty from Oceans for 1 hour.There has been at least 2 different Andrea's at Oceans. But to claim either of them were the hottest girl ever at Oceans seems odd to me. Either way, I need to go back in not too long as I am not very updated now, and this forum sucks for updates on the lineup. On a good day, Oceans lineup beats hands down any other NRW lineup for optics. But as with any high optics club unless you go to manager forced girls club Globe, not all girls are equally great in the room. But with the 3-4 missiles (I'm going to steal this Italian expression, LOL), I have encountered out of maybe 20 girls, I was at least warned about 2 of them beforehand by girls I know in the club. Curiosity just got the worst of me. LOL.
There has been at least 2 different Andrea's at Oceans. But to claim either of them were the hottest girl ever at Oceans seems odd to me. Either way, I need to go back in not too long as I am not very updated now, and this forum sucks for updates on the lineup. On a good day, Oceans lineup beats hands down any other NRW lineup for optics. But as with any high optics club unless you go to manager forced girls club Globe, not all girls are equally great in the room. But with the 3-4 missiles (I'm going to steal this Italian expression, LOL), I have encountered out of maybe 20 girls, I was at least warned about 2 of them beforehand by girls I know in the club. Curiosity just got the worst of me. LOL.I didn't meet this beauty at Oceans, but was told she came from Oceans. I don't know how she was named at Oceans, but she would be one of the prettiest in any club, with long chestnut hair and few tattoos. My meaning and answer were I don't judge girls from where they come from, from what other say, because I know I m different. I only judge with my eyes for look, my brain for their behavior, and behave to get the best from girls. Andrea gave me more than she said in lounge, but not enough for me. I don't say anything about Oceans casting because I don't know and I won't visit because I will never accept to be fucked by desk. I just know pretty girls around Dusseldorf seem very rare now, so if I see a beauty from Oceans, I will run to her and try to get her best. I know girls can be quite different for behavior when they move to another club, like Jana. De good wife.
I m sure girls are not forced to work at Globe, Finnja didn't stay, why? Just because she didn't have level to get good business, but girls who get good business, don't think to leave, because they know they won't get same business anywhere else. Even Aurelia ex Magnum, Samya, Sharks, who was fired twice from Sharks, is now at Globe since 2 years, even most of time in reserve team.
ExpatLover
12-20-18, 10:44
There has been at least 2 different Andrea's at Oceans. But to claim either of them were the hottest girl ever at Oceans seems odd to me. Either way, I need to go back in not too long as I am not very updated now, and this forum sucks for updates on the lineup. On a good day, Oceans lineup beats hands down any other NRW lineup for optics. But as with any high optics club unless you go to manager forced girls club Globe, not all girls are equally great in the room. But with the 3-4 missiles (I'm going to steal this Italian expression, LOL), I have encountered out of maybe 20 girls, I was at least warned about 2 of them beforehand by girls I know in the club. Curiosity just got the worst of me. LOL.Welcome to a new share holder of Ocean, on the German forums the reports are still very negative, I visited several time but I never felt happy there, it is a Turkish club, employees are behaving rudely, difficult to understand the entry prices, reduced LU in day time, in the night I don t know I am always leaving before 8 PM.
On Friday, oceans was 30% filled. Which is almost empty. 40 ladies maybe total. 40 bears.
I spotted 3 germans, of which I sessioned with two: Kora: black hair, false boobs, 175 cm tall, her face quite pretty. Chrissy: blond hair, small boobs, 170 cm tall, face-wise medium.
Both were ok. Esp. Chrissy is charming and skilled. No upselling during the session. But the killer was. On both instances. At the end, when the money transfer was to be settled. Both asked for 30 euro more, because of some made-up ominious extras (I don't even want to talk about it- totally made up). I told them, that 50 e ought enough, and if they want extras, they need to declare it upfront (during the session if need be). This was especially odd, since both had sessions with me before.
I told both to simply fuck off, and both did. So seemingly that is the latest trick in Oceans to rake in more money. I only had this kind of rip-off once before and thanks to this forum, I was instructed to behave rude and saved good money. So thank you, folks (see the Oase thread, somewhere, where I talk about that experience).
I am planning to avoid Oceans for at least 3 mts, if not longer.
Horny Harry
01-05-19, 13:06
So seemingly that is the latest trick in Oceans to rake in more money. I only had this kind of rip-off once before and thanks to this forum, I was instructed to behave rude and saved good money. So thank you, folks (see the Oase thread, somewhere, where I talk about that experience).Thanks for your report and good that people go to these rip-off-up-sell places like Oceans and Oase and are brave enough to write reports here, but I honestly wonder: did you really expect anything different?
Why do lots of people still go to these places? Do some (not you Kuni, I'm talking about the general male visitors here) people think they are god's gift to women and really expect all the girls to suddenly get naturally wet pussies and fuck them like a bride on her wedding night and be totally honest and generous about the money?
IMHO it's a vicious circle: unfortunately the 'managements' of establishments like this already think in a typical "penny wise-pound foolish" way, so I guess the girls working there quickly get the message and also start to act accordingly. This in turn seems to attract a certain type of naive and tourist male audience, typical suckers, desperate about buying an illusion, and who 'think they are special' and that the common rip off mentality of these places does not apply to them.
I did have some awesome evenings there in 2016 and 2017. But times are changing. And even more changing. IF you say "rip-off-upsell places like. ", please let us know, what you consider good places?
Thanks for your report and good that people go to these rip-off-up-sell places like Oceans and Oase and are brave enough to write reports here, but I honestly wonder: did you really expect anything different?
Why do lots of people still go to these places? Do some (not you Kuni, I'm talking about the general male visitors here) people think they are god's gift to women and really expect all the girls to suddenly get naturally wet pussies and fuck them like a bride on her wedding night and be totally honest and generous about the money?
IMHO it's a vicious circle: unfortunately the 'managements' of establishments like this already think in a typical "penny wise-pound foolish" way, so I guess the girls working there quickly get the message and also start to act accordingly. This in turn seems to attract a certain type of naive and tourist male audience, typical suckers, desperate about buying an illusion, and who 'think they are special' and that the common rip off mentality of these places does not apply to them.
Do some (not you Kuni, I'm talking about the general male visitors here) people think they are god's gift to women and really expect all the girls to suddenly get naturally wet pussies and fuck them like a bride on her wedding night and be totally honest and generous about the money?.3 phrases, 3 words each.
Six-Pack Abs.
Six Figure Salary.
Not dad's age.
Horny Harry
01-06-19, 13:33
I did have some awesome evenings there in 2016 and 2017. But times are changing. And even more changing. IF you say "rip-off-upsell places like. ", please let us know, what you consider good places?Of course a bad experience can happen everywhere, but in general I've never been treated badly in World, GT or Sharks. For the last couple of years, World has had a very mediocre line up and in GT the limited availability of real beauties (they are mostly pre-booked via social media and I'm) and long waiting times for rooms has me avoiding those places for the time being.
Basically I just stick to Sharks, although of course I also had some mediocre sexual experiences there throughout the years, but never ever reaching the point of getting into an argument about payment or having to to the reception for mediation. Of course arguments about money and men taking girls to the reception happens also at Sharks, but you rarely read about it here, and personally I've never witnessed it. Not has the Sharks reception ever tried to short-change me when paying my E65.
I think the big key word here is: consistency. Consistency from both the FKK establishment in providing a nice location, and also consistency from the girls offering a certain service. Short-changing customers, paying extra for arriving by taxi, paying extra for food, paying extra for drinks, charging extra for a bathrobe, and girls constantly up-selling doesn't really provide consistency for me.
Although I've never been there, from what I've been reading here I guess Artemis, Palace or Mainhattan fall into the same category.
Call me a coward for not trying something new (I do try out new girls, but I tend to stay at the same FKK club), but at the same time I simply reason: "if it ain't broken, don't try and fix it. " I'm happy going to Sharks once or twice a month and when I read all these stories about people getting ripped off at other places I can only shake my head in disbelief.
At Sharks for me most girls fall into the category of what I consider "sexy," usually waiting times are low, the sauna-wellness is great, food is okay, I've never been treated badly by either the girls or the Sharks staff, and there are plenty of new girls so it never becomes boring. Sharks really go downhill in the future, then I'll start trying out new establishments, after of course first reading up on them here first.
Yes, agree: I too had marvelous experiences in Sharks. And consistently so!! You are 100% right: Clubs like Oceans, Magnum, many of the AO clubs in NRW. Are inconsistent and indeed GT is often crowded. I hate waiting for rooms. LR is way too small. YY too "oriental".
Only problem with Sharks. It is 230 km away from my natural hunting grounds. Funnily, next time I will think hard before I drive 50 min to Oceans or to Sharks 2 hrs. (ok two-way it is double) .
Of course a bad experience can happen everywhere, but in general I've never been treated badly in World, GT or Sharks. For the last couple of years, World has had a very mediocre line up and in GT the limited availability of real beauties (they are mostly pre-booked via social media and I'm) and long waiting times for rooms has me avoiding those places for the time being.
Of course a bad experience can happen everywhere, but in general I've never been treated badly in World, GT or Sharks. For the last couple of years, World has had a very mediocre line up and in GT the limited availability of real beauties (they are mostly pre-booked via social media and I'm) and long waiting times for rooms has me avoiding those places for the time being.I think the main problem is that clubs are not legally allowed to pose stringent rules on the girls. As we all may recall from the media stories, that is what Artemis tried to do. And that is what the police did not like, as that effectively put Artemis on the edge of the pimp category. So the idea is that girls are their own boss. Problem with this is as you say, lack of integrity several places.
But I don't think this is a black and white pan club incident. There are some great girls to be found at Oceans and Oase who doesn't upsell. And there are some who does unfortunately.
Sharks used to be a safe haven from girls taking the upselling too far, but in my experience that changed fall 2017. And now a great deal of the lookers also upsell at sharks. Thankfully sharks have so many girls on a busy night that you can avoid it. But it is only marginally less than at Oase if you want to make that comparison.
Goldentime which you also mention is so bad when it comes to lineup that I don't know what to say. But among the most interesting girls I have found on my 2 last visits there (I have only been there 5 days total I think), 2 out of 3 upsold and said they only did 60 min rooms. So I don't return there now. That is a 60% for me. Leaving it below any other German FKK. But I guess we all have different preferences.
I was at Oceans recently and found the lineup to be good. About the same level as sharks this time although sharks had more girls total. Top 5-10 are similar in looks. Which was above YY (although I was there on a Wednesday and might have missed some), and slightly below Oase in optics considering there were more girls at Oase perhaps due to messe. Oase had everyone there, and it was weekend too. Although Oase girls are more greedy than anywhere else nowadays in general.
Half the lineup is also new from a year ago, although the top girls seems to be there even if I heard Eleny, and two of the Bulgarians were on vacation last week. Pretty Mia from Bulgaria was a new highlight I doubt anyone here would be disappointed with too. And Lucy from Romania (a new Lucy) is looking better and better even though I saw her last summer.
Girls seen: Andra, Alina, Malina, Mia, Lucy, Maja, other brunette petite Bulgarian, Raphaela, and some 3-4 other other beauties I forgot the names of now. Plus plus. Maybe saw around 70 girls in total (3 days, but no Fri. / sat).
Non alcoholic drinks are free now too. There are two refrigerators that I spotted with glass bottles of water and different types of soda such as coke, fanta etc.
Reminds me also, both Andra and Maja really has gotten even more passionate and nice, while Alina reminds me more and more of Sophia Carson in looks while dancing on stage (Youtube: Back to Beautiful, but with just lingerie. Interestingly, the songs text is perhaps a bit of an eye opener to girls in clubs too). I don't know if its because girls there remember me or not, but if so, then more visits definitely seems to pay off. I suppose all clubs can have some of that to an extent. As well as a positive initial attitude when entering. The way the girls sit by the bar is the one tricky thing here sometimes if the night is about to start or end. 10 girls might want your attention and you looking at them at the same time if you walk by. So you cannot smile at all of them. I still don't know how to do it properly without anyone feeling overlooked.
I was at Oceans recently and found the lineup to be good. About the same level as sharks this time although sharks had more girls total. Top 5-10 are similar in looks. Which was above YY (although I was there on a Wednesday and might have missed some), and slightly below Oase in optics considering there were more girls at Oase perhaps due to messe. Oase had everyone there, and it was weekend too. Although Oase girls are more greedy than anywhere else nowadays in general.If Oceans is on Sharks level for casting, YY was often higher level for my woman types tastes but I never visit on week days, then not much motivating to give a try to go to negotiate with Oceans desk. Beauties are rare at the moment, few can be seen.
If Oceans is on Sharks level for casting, YY was often higher level for my woman types tastes but I never visit on week days, then not much motivating to give a try to go to negotiate with Oceans desk. Beauties are rare at the moment, few can be seen.Sharks casting was on a Saturday. So above normal Sharks casting too. YY mid week was not close this time around for me.
Sharks casting was on a Saturday. So above normal Sharks casting too. YY mid week was not close this time around for me.My last visits at Sharks were on Friday until 9 pm and Wednesday until 7. 30 pm, usually best casting days, but no desirable girl for me, when I find few elsewhere. On 2015/2016, I visited Sharks every week end, now once every 3 months, waste of time for me, no new pretty girls seen.
My last visits at Sharks were on Friday until 9 pm and Wednesday until 7. 30 pm, usually best casting days, but no desirable girl for me, when I find few elsewhere. On 2015/2016, I visited Sharks every week end, now once every 3 months, waste of time for me, no new pretty girls seen.So beside Globe, where is your destination for your women type girls now? I see you hanging in palace lately, but Kylie and Jenni is not good enough for you, then where is your favorite destination for casting? I mean GT is down, Lr is down, YY is finished for awhile. Where to go or are we all fucked after the law? LOL.
So beside Globe, where is your destination for your women type girls now? I see you hanging in palace lately, but Kylie and Jenni is not good enough for you, then where is your favorite destination for casting? I mean GT is down, Lr is down, YY is finished for awhile. Where to go or are we all fucked after the law? LOL.I didn't find a beauty to worth the rate at Aphrodisia when I took risk to return to Switzerland, but Ukrainian Anastasia was a real natural and elegant beauty for me at Palace for 100 . Yes YY closed is a big loss, because could sometimes find high level real beauties there. For my tastes, Oase is not interesting for casting, Sharks and GT on 2019 are down for casting, I don't waste anymore my time at Sharks and I left many times GT after watching ski with full balls, but since I returned I had 5 new girls for me at LR, 1 is so lovely after our discovery, 1 was really skillful for a very enjoyable natural BJ and 3 were quite woman in bed, so I just need to find a wow beauty to dream with her. Funny how their friends smile after these new discoveries. At Samya, can sometimes find beauties, but have to work to make them improve from Turkish standards, but it works when you take care of them. For sure, for looks and quality, big gap now with Globe far higher level. Now, I have my Gruyere holes, so I will return to recover from skiing.
Average level is falling in Germany, but when we find a beauty, have to behave to make her will to be good for us.
I see you hanging in palace latelyMr Ho,
You made the trip? How was Palace in comparison to your last visit? Are there any other clubs on you schedule? Wish I was there. Would be interesting to meet with such an interesting person and fellow ISG member.
I have a much broader taste so I find real women for me more frequently.
Mr Ho,
You made the trip? How was Palace in comparison to your last visit? Are there any other clubs on you schedule? Wish I was there. Would be interesting to meet with such an interesting person and fellow ISG member..No, not this year yet. And I do not have one schedule to Germany, but I will at least make one trip to Germany this year and every year it is set for min 1 trip max 3 trips, hopefully 3 trips, but that always depend on my schedule and mood also. Would have been cool to meet some mongers, and I met one before and he was really nice cool guy and also I actually speak to fellow mongers in FKK when I am spoken to, but usually I monger on my own. Meeting you could have been cool before the arguments, but for sake of my safety and also yours too, it maybe wise to keep it within forum. I am friendly and nice, but when I am attacked, I do it 10 times back so forum is safer for both of us.
I have fixed broad tastes, I like model type, next door girls and some exotic mix like half white and half Arab kind of beauty too, but all has to be somehow out of fashion magazine or at least out of good porn movies, so it is hard to find girl I want to session in clubs recently, which demotivate me to fly over, but I at least find one girl I want to session with in each club so far.
Mr Piston seems to have similar direction to my taste? But yeah, tastes are each their own, this I got to understand mongering in FKK. I do like typical beautiful type though.
I didn't find a beauty to worth the rate at Aphrodisia when I took risk to return to Switzerland, but Ukrainian Anastasia was a real natural and elegant beauty for me at Palace for 100 . Yes YY closed is a big loss, because could sometimes find high level real beauties there. For my tastes, Oase is not interesting for casting, Sharks and GT on 2019 are down for casting, I don't waste anymore my time at Sharks and I left many times GT after watching ski with full balls, but since I returned I had 5 new girls for me at LR, 1 is so lovely after our discovery, 1 was really skillful for a very enjoyable natural BJ and 3 were quite woman in bed, so I just need to find a wow beauty to dream with her. Funny how their friends smile after these new discoveries. At Samya, can sometimes find beauties, but have to work to make them improve from Turkish standards, but it works when you take care of them. For sure, for looks and quality, big gap now with Globe far higher level. Now, I have my Gruyere holes, so I will return to recover from skiing.
Average level is falling in Germany, but when we find a beauty, have to behave to make her will to be good for us.I agree about average beauty falling in Germany since 2015 ish that made me move from Artemis to Hessen then now to NRW clubs. YY I never made it in the end, but if it re open, I may finally stretch further than Bruggen and venlo and get to YY, if it reopen.
I will never go to Aprodisia because it is clothe on club, Globe is more for me with my limited experience with Globe, but I will give Globe my full trip sometime soon to revisit the place because I only been to Globe on Sunday.
It will be my first time after renovation to palace, and hopefully line up get better and more girls. But they destroyed my first small bar where I situated my self.
Sharks was never for me, I have been few times and I think it is three visits I gave a try and it was not my level of line up at sharks. , so I stopped going there.
Oase I will give it another shot soon, but that was one big upsell place, more of rip off club, even more than palace or Artemis.
The problem is that the more we attend these clubs, the less impressed we get. Because we have seen it more and more times before. So claiming lineups are getting worse and worse can be just the mind playing tricks on us. I really get confused sometimes myself. Is the lineups really worse than before? Or has it improved? It is such a silly question anyway. Maybe average age, and number of girls in a club is a far better metric.
I agree about average beauty falling in Germany since 2015 ish that made me move from Artemis to Hessen then now to NRW clubs. YY I never made it in the end, but if it re open, I may finally stretch further than Bruggen and venlo and get to YY, if it reopen.
I will never go to Aprodisia because it is clothe on club, Globe is more for me with my limited experience with Globe, but I will give Globe my full trip sometime soon to revisit the place because I only been to Globe on Sunday.
It will be my first time after renovation to palace, and hopefully line up get better and more girls. But they destroyed my first small bar where I situated my self.
Sharks was never for me, I have been few times and I think it is three visits I gave a try and it was not my level of line up at sharks. , so I stopped going there.
Oase I will give it another shot soon, but that was one big upsell place, more of rip off club, even more than palace or Artemis.I had great beauties at Sharks until Summer 2016 and also Florentina and Madi2 on end of 2017. GT had attractive girls for me until mid 2018 , less now. LR was great for me until October 2017 , also on September to November, and not so bad on my last visits, with my new girls returning to me and funny to see their friends smiling after discovery. I saw many clubs changing level, have to adapt and search to find new beauties. Palace is also interesting. Best days at Globe are from Thursday to Saturday.
The problem is that the more we attend these clubs, the less impressed we get. Because we have seen it more and more times before. So claiming lineups are getting worse and worse can be just the mind playing tricks on us. I really get confused sometimes myself. Is the lineups really worse than before? Or has it improved? It is such a silly question anyway. Maybe average age, and number of girls in a club is a far better metric.I think this is a really well made point and I definitely agree with it. When I first went to Artemis in 2013 (first FKK visit) I thought it was truly amazing. And I was an experienced monger in Spain, UK, Dubai by then but being surrounded by so many naked women was incredible. I'm not sure I even noticed their looks too much. Now, if I've been in FKK land for more than 3 days I long to see a woman in a Spanish nightclub with a beautiful dress or tight jeans on. We are never happy!
That said, I do genuinely also feel that the LUs in many of the clubs does not compare with 2015. But it changes a lot. There is no reason it cannot improve a lot in the next 3 months!
I had great beauties at Sharks until Summer 2016 and also Florentina and Madi2 on end of 2017. GT had attractive girls for me until mid 2018 , less now. LR was great for me until October 2017 , also on September to November, and not so bad on my last visits, with my new girls returning to me and funny to see their friends smiling after discovery. I saw many clubs changing level, have to adapt and search to find new beauties. Palace is also interesting. Best days at Globe are from Thursday to Saturday.Yeah, as a fly in monger, I have to carefully choose city of destination because moving around is limited once I am there due to distance. I have been doing fly into Frankfurt do 3 days and then move to Dusseldorf for one night sleep over and two FKK days and fly out from Frankfurt.
I will give whole trip to globe Zurich in near future when I feel like it because I only did Sunday in globe and I should not judge the club based on my Sunday visit.
ExpatLover
03-27-19, 20:13
Yeah, as a fly in monger, I have to carefully choose city of destination because moving around is limited once I am there due to distance. I have been doing fly into Frankfurt do 3 days and then move to Dusseldorf for one night sleep over and two FKK days and fly out from Frankfurt.
I will give whole trip to globe Zurich in near future when I feel like it because I only did Sunday in globe and I should not judge the club based on my Sunday visit.Why not renting a car, cheap and very convenient even to drive to Switzerland, Austria or just from Hessen to NRW.
Hank Moody 69
05-23-19, 01:22
Ok, let's break the silence with a new report. I finally made it back to Oceans. The lineup was thin at first, but more and more girls showed up throughout the evening. I saw one attractive girl as I entered who seemed very nice. She was busy all night, so I guess she was good too. There were three or four very busy girls, maybe 6-8 who did a session or two, and some more I only saw hanging around.
I sessioned with Andrea (Ro) pretty early on. It was a nice way to start the day (100 E / 60 min for some extra touching, but CBJ). After a nice meal--I do like their food--I sat on a couch and let the girls come to me one by one. I interviewed over half of them. Some stayed for 20-30 min and were quite pleasant if not quite doing it for me. An Albanian girl (Iris) had a nice body and decent face. I considered going with her, but she said she doesn't do BBBJ, which I wanted at that point.
Several hours and some coffee later I decided to catch the girl I saw first (Rosa?) after her latest session. While I waited for her and turned away some girls, a new Ro girl walked in and it was instant electricity. I called her over and she was amazing in person. We did a 60 min session with BBBJ that's now in my top 5 of all time. I may have overpaid a bit (160 E w / tip), but I think it was worth it. I had originally negotiated down, but promised to give 150 E if I was very happy. When she agreed to give me her number, I added 10 E more. As a courtesy, I am not providing her name here.
To address some complaints I've heard about Oceans: I saw no overt security presence. Nobody tried to scam me on entry fee, food prices, etc. It was 65 E to get in, including one meal of my choice from the menu. Sessions start at 50 E, BBBJ is 50 E if the girl will do it, and I was able to negotiate specific additions along with the 60 min for 100 E.
Ok, let's break the silence with a new report. I finally made it back to Oceans. The lineup was thin at first, but more and more girls showed up throughout the evening. I saw one attractive girl as I entered who seemed very nice. She was busy all night, so I guess she was good too. There were three or four very busy girls, maybe 6-8 who did a session or two, and some more I only saw hanging around.
I sessioned with Andrea (Ro) pretty early on. It was a nice way to start the day (100 E / 60 min for some extra touching, but CBJ). After a nice meal--I do like their food--I sat on a couch and let the girls come to me one by one. I interviewed over half of them. Some stayed for 20-30 min and were quite pleasant if not quite doing it for me. An Albanian girl (Iris) had a nice body and decent face. I considered going with her, but she said she doesn't do BBBJ, which I wanted at that point.
Several hours and some coffee later I decided to catch the girl I saw first (Rosa?) after her latest session. While I waited for her and turned away some girls, a new Ro girl walked in and it was instant electricity. I called her over and she was amazing in person. We did a 60 min session with BBBJ that's now in my top 5 of all time. I may have overpaid a bit (160 E w / tip), but I think it was worth it. I had originally negotiated down, but promised to give 150 E if I was very happy..65 € entry for only 1 meal? At big Sharks with sometimes more than 200 girls I was told, for some days 50 € or even 45 € entry, can have great breakfast with salmon, can eat melon in afternoon, can eat 10 times if you want to become fat.
Good old times BJ is still standard in Germany, never been asked any extra by GT busy superstar nor my 2 ex Vienna new girls, not even with my new good girls at Oase, maybe they really want to please me back after I took care of them, no upselling.
Is DFKing standard at Oceans, with mostly Turkish at night?
Hank Moody 69
05-23-19, 20:21
65 entry for only 1 meal? At big Sharks with sometimes more than 200 girls I was told, for some days 50 or even 45 entry, can have great breakfast with salmon, can eat melon in afternoon, can eat 10 times if you want to become fat.
Good old times BJ is still standard in Germany, never been asked any extra by GT busy superstar nor my 2 ex Vienna new girls, not even with my new good girls at Oase, maybe they really want to please me back after I took care of them, no upselling.
Is DFKing standard at Oceans, with mostly Turkish at night?Yes, entry is expensive and food after the first meal is pricey, but good. DFK is definitely not standard. I saw very few Turkish, probably due to Ramadan? I suspect you have a reputation with the girls, so they don't bother you about extras.
I'm really torn about this club because it is pretty nice and I've had good experiences, but the other factors (cost, size) aren't so great. In any case, I'm back in Frankfurt.
Yes, entry is expensive and food after the first meal is pricey, but good. DFK is definitely not standard. I saw very few Turkish, probably due to Ramadan? I suspect you have a reputation with the girls, so they don't bother you about extras.
I'm really torn about this club because it is pretty nice and I've had good experiences, but the other factors (cost, size) aren't so great. In any case, I'm back in Frankfurt.You are right: I have bad reputation, as being a writer. Some girls are afraid of me and my writings, but when girls know me, I think they appreciate how I treat them and want to keep me for regular, so I get standard level in Germany since years, without upselling, and I wait for much more, free of charge.
Yes, entry is expensive and food after the first meal is pricey, but good. DFK is definitely not standard. I saw very few Turkish, probably due to Ramadan? I suspect you have a reputation with the girls, so they don't bother you about extras.
I'm really torn about this club because it is pretty nice and I've had good experiences, but the other factors (cost, size) aren't so great. In any case, I'm back in Frankfurt.There's a silence for a reason, the club's culture blows. All of the BBBJ issues and upselling you wrote about is no where near as prevalent at other clubs in the Cologne-Dusseldorf area.
My biggest criticism, when you already greatly overpaid at 150 e for 1 hour, why further entrench that sucker status by giving an extra 10 e tip, you already gave her an extra 50!
Can you clarify on which day you were there? Did you spot any german girls? How many girls were max in LU (your guess). ?
Ok, let's break the silence with a new report...
Hank Moody 69
05-24-19, 11:27
Can you clarify on which day you were there? Did you spot any german girls? How many girls were max in LU (your guess). ?I was at Magnum on Tue, Oceans on Wed. One girl I spoke with may have been German, but I'm not sure. I guess there were about 15-16 girls.
Hank Moody 69
05-24-19, 11:30
You are right: I have bad reputation, as being a writer. Some girls are afraid of me and my writings, but when girls know me, I think they appreciate how I treat them and want to keep me for regular, so I get standard level in Germany since years, without upselling, and I wait for much more, free of charge.I wasn't thinking a bad reputation, just a reputation: they know your expectations. My experience has been that when I take a hard line approach I get mechanical performance and "no, no, extra" in the room. Probably the most important part is negotiating everything up front.
Hank Moody 69
05-24-19, 11:36
There's a silence for a reason, the club's culture blows. All of the BBBJ issues and upselling you wrote about is no where near as prevalent at other clubs in the Cologne-Dusseldorf area.
My biggest criticism, when you already greatly overpaid at 150 e for 1 hour, why further entrench that sucker status by giving an extra 10 e tip, you already gave her an extra 50!The club does seem to be worse than others, but BBBJ issues and upselling seem to be prevalent now. I may have greatly overpaid, but it was an awesome session. As I said, it was top 5 for me, along with my first (a bar pickup in Singapore I took back to my hotel for the night) and a beautiful Ukranian incall in Warsaw. Admittedly, both of those experiences were a great value. I'm considering playing the long game with this particular girl.
The club does seem to be worse than others, but BBBJ issues and upselling seem to be prevalent now. I may have greatly overpaid, but it was an awesome session. As I said, it was top 5 for me, along with my first (a bar pickup in Singapore I took back to my hotel for the night) and a beautiful Ukranian incall in Warsaw. Admittedly, both of those experiences were a great value. I'm considering playing the long game with this particular girl.If that is your intent, hopefully you continue to pay that rate for an outcall / incall session rather than in the club where there should be a price standard. Paying 160% over standard prices is ruining the scene.
I wasn't thinking a bad reputation, just a reputation: they know your expectations. My experience has been that when I take a hard line approach I get mechanical performance and "no, no, extra" in the room. Probably the most important part is negotiating everything up front.I don't ask because then no value for me, I treat girls to make them will to give me back, works quite well for me when I'm certainly one of the most demanding for GF behavior and not only in bed. Sex is not grocery.
65 entry for only 1 meal? At big Sharks with sometimes more than 200 girls I was told, for some days 50 or even 45 entry, can have great breakfast with salmon, can eat melon in afternoon, can eat 10 times if you want to become fat.True, but being fair, you don't compare an entry discount deal to a full price. You compare full price to full price, and then Sharks would be 70 e. If you want to compare discount entries, Oceans has that from time to time too. Albeit it seems to change more often.
If that is your intent, hopefully you continue to pay that rate for an outcall / incall session rather than in the club where there should be a price standard. Paying 160% over standard prices is ruining the scene.Math!
He paid 150 (+10 in tip) for 60 minutes. That is initially 50% overpaid, and not 160%. But as at DV, Oase and a few more clubs these days (I even heard ot from one girl at YY back in Jan. Before it closed), some girls at Oceans ask for the 50 e if BBBJ is included. Got to hate the new regulations I guess. It clearly doesn't work the way it was supposed to. IMO its better to bargain in a 20 e tip, or demand it included in a 60 min session. The old bargaining grips. Then again, don't we just all hate hassling for money? Anywhere. I wish there were more logical pricing everywhere. For awhile at least, several Oceans girls did upsell BBBJ and even kissing for 20 e. A more reasonable amount. Then again, if more and more things are becoming upsells, its not good either. But one mans experience shouldn't always be taken as the norm. Girls handle different guys differently. Even, or especially like Sirioja says, when they know we post online.
Math!
He paid 150 (+10 in tip) for 60 minutes. That is initially 50% overpaid, and not 160%. But as at DV, Oase and a few more clubs these days (I even heard ot from one girl at YY back in Jan. Before it closed), some girls at Oceans ask for the 50 e if BBBJ is included. Got to hate the new regulations I guess. It clearly doesn't work the way it was supposed to. IMO its better to bargain in a 20 e tip, or demand it included in a 60 min session. The old bargaining grips. Then again, don't we just all hate hassling for money? Anywhere. I wish there were more logical pricing everywhere. For awhile at least, several Oceans girls did upsell BBBJ and even kissing for 20 e. A more reasonable amount. Then again, if more and more things are becoming upsells, its not good either. But one mans experience shouldn't always be taken as the norm. Girls handle different guys differently. Even, or especially like Sirioja says, when they know we post online.I'm sure you already knew that 160/100 is 1.6.
Paying 160% over standard pricesI am sure I just know that "160% over" = 260% in total.
While 60% over = 160%.
On the other hand, if you had written "compared to" instead of "over", I could buy it. Grammar!
Then there is the discussion regarding the tip, which I don't consider overpayment (the 10 e), but that is beside the point here.
I am sure I just know that "160% over" = 260% in total.
While 60% over = 160%.
On the other hand, if you had written "compared to" instead of "over", I could buy it. Grammar!
Then there is the discussion regarding the tip, which I don't consider overpayment (the 10 e), but that is beside the point here.Cool. You are right.
True, but being fair, you don't compare an entry discount deal to a full price. You compare full price to full price, and then Sharks would be 70 e. If you want to compare discount entries, Oceans has that from time to time too. Albeit it seems to change more often.Sharks is 65 with free foods, I pay 50 at Oase weekly, with free foods and good old BJ is still standard, no extra asked. Being known as a writer is not at all advantage for me, until girls experience my manners, then most trust me.
True, but being fair, you don't compare an entry discount deal to a full price. You compare full price to full price, and then Sharks would be 70 e. If you want to compare discount entries, Oceans has that from time to time too. Albeit it seems to change more often.Sharks full entry is 65 e not 70 e.
I was at Oceans about two years ago. I spent a lot of time with a girl who was really pretty and a lot of fun. She said many people thought she looked like Miley Cyrus. Does anyone remember her real name, and if she still works at Oceans? Also, if she still works there, when is the best time to find her at the club? Thank you in advance.
That we don't even get any recent report on it for the past 5-6 months?
That we don't even get any recent report on it for the past 5-6 months?If you enjoy to be fucked by not honest desk, when even Sharks desk became welcoming.
ZimmerBaby
10-21-19, 11:14
When I meet a WG at another club and she says she worked at Oceans, my caution flag goes up. If she says she kisses, I have to verify what type of kissing. If she does normal covered sex I need to verify depth of penetration, what positions and how many changes are included. If she says BJ I need to verify for how many seconds and how much hand. I recently met a beautiful lady who had moved from Oceans. I thought there was no way a session with her could be bad because of the optics. It rates in the top ten worst sessions ever. I'm not saying that everything that's happened to me at Oceans has been bad but the bad out weighs the good.I really want to visit Oceans and DV. Then I read reports like this, and I end up at LR and Gold (which obviously are the only safe bets close to Dusseldorf?)
Met at LR very pretty blond German Jana, model type with good wife written between her legs, said not kissing when first met at Oceans so no room, real good surprise, GFE in bed at LR, the prettiest but not busy, staying sitting at the bar, because most of LR regulars run for GND, so she moved to GT where no more kissing, so unfortunately only 1 LR room with this impressive beauty.
I really want to visit Oceans and DV. Then I read reports like this, and I end up at LR and Gold (which obviously are the only safe bets close to Dusseldorf?)Better to stay at home then, while watching Netflix, than to take chances in life.
I would also love to visit Oceans. But with Netflix (or even better Amazon Prime, or even much better internet porn) I can avoid wasting 50 euros and 2 HR of traffic, showering, bathrobe, running around and being frustrating.
Unless I can see some favourable & trustworthy reviews here. I am especially interested in big natural boobs or german ladies. (I know I am totally simple minded).
I really want to visit Oceans and DV. Then I read reports like this, and I end up at LR and Gold (which obviously are the only safe bets close to Dusseldorf?)
I would also love to visit Oceans. But with Netflix (or even better Amazon Prime, or even much better internet porn) I can avoid wasting 50 euros and 2 HR of traffic, showering, bathrobe, running around and being frustrating.
Unless I can see some favourable & trustworthy reviews here. I am especially interested in big natural boobs or german ladies. (I know I am totally simple minded).Same here, I only have so much holiday time and so much money, I have to invest in where it makes sense. In less than two weeks that will be Thailand but the next time I visit Germany I will only visit the clubs I know are good enough.
I would also love to visit Oceans. But with Netflix (or even better Amazon Prime, or even much better internet porn) I can avoid wasting 50 euros and 2 HR of traffic, showering, bathrobe, running around and being frustrating.
Unless I can see some favourable & trustworthy reviews here. I am especially interested in big natural boobs or german ladies. (I know I am totally simple minded).Well, my comment was sarcasm. With only 2 HR of driving, I would have checked it out more. Unfortunately German ebay is less helpful with these cards nowadays, so its riskier to double it up with another club too with restricted time, and I have gone more to Austria myself. A few of my old fav Oceans girls also migrated to Artemis. But I know 4-5 of them are still there. Elena, Alina, Andra, Maja etc. Plus probably new girls also.
ZimmerBaby
10-25-19, 09:54
Better to stay at home then, while watching Netflix, than to take chances in life.For the benefit of the forum; what works better than sarcasm is useful info. Never been at the club. What I read is initially taxi scam, robe scam, energy wasted before even talking to a girl. Then negotiate with girls. The reason I quit Artemis is the same libido killing atmosphere. Dusseldorf is nothing compared to Berlin for recovery days which is bad. It compensates with respectful and nice girls / good service at LR and Gold. Bad vibes kills boner. Then Netflix certainly is a better option for me. You have previously mentioned Lily or Aisha at DV, and at Oceans: Maya or Julia. If you have any remarks on this or new info I would be delighted. And as always reporting will follow, though I sometimes wonder why some members use energy to question my choices, weeks after I have left the clubs.
ExpatLover
10-25-19, 16:33
For the benefit of the forum; what works better than sarcasm is useful info. Never been at the club. What I read is initially taxi scam, robe scam, energy wasted before even talking to a girl. Then negotiate with girls. The reason I quit Artemis is the same libido killing atmosphere. Dusseldorf is nothing compared to Berlin for recovery days which is bad. It compensates with respectful and nice girls / good service at LR and Gold. Bad vibes kills boner. Then Netflix certainly is a better option for me. You have previously mentioned Lily or Aisha at DV, and at Oceans: Maya or Julia. If you have any remarks on this or new info I would be delighted. And as always reporting will follow, though I sometimes wonder why some members use energy to question my choices, weeks after I have left the clubs.Turkish club for Turkish man, are those guys willing to kiss obviously not their wife is waiting at home for them, 50 euros sex with condom, it is far than enough.
MaxSquatter
10-25-19, 20:17
What are your favorite clubs? LR and Gold? I agree with you about libido killing atmospheres. Is Dusseldorf the place to go for the best treatment?
For the benefit of the forum; what works better than sarcasm is useful info. Never been at the club. What I read is initially taxi scam, robe scam, energy wasted before even talking to a girl. Then negotiate with girls. The reason I quit Artemis is the same libido killing atmosphere. Dusseldorf is nothing compared to Berlin for recovery days which is bad. It compensates with respectful and nice girls / good service at LR and Gold. Bad vibes kills boner. Then Netflix certainly is a better option for me. You have previously mentioned Lily or Aisha at DV, and at Oceans: Maya or Julia. If you have any remarks on this or new info I would be delighted. And as always reporting will follow, though I sometimes wonder why some members use energy to question my choices, weeks after I have left the clubs.
ZimmerBaby
10-26-19, 00:01
What are your favorite clubs? LR and Gold? I agree with you about libido killing atmospheres. Is Dusseldorf the place to go for the best treatment?Absolutely. No bullshitting and respectful girls and staff. The way Artemis used to be 10 years ago.
. What I read is initially taxi scam, robe scam.Well, the robe stuff is not a scam. Its even a sign there saying the new robes, or special robes is an extra 5 e.
The taxi thing is something all clubs have. It is just different how they bake it into the procing. But try to take a taxi to Oase for example. Or to Sharks. The drivers will always get out of the car to get their little bonus. But its baked into the entry price. So instead of just the person taking the taxi having to pay for it, everyone entering the club has to share the cost at Oase / Sharks etc. And for me not taking a taxi, I know which solution I prefer at least.
The different pricing with or without food on the other hand, is something I won't be defending Oceans for. I find it silly.
What are your favorite clubs? LR and Gold? I agree with you about libido killing atmospheres. Is Dusseldorf the place to go for the best treatment?Given the upselling atmosphere in Hessen these days, its a give or take I suppose. I personally get around most of that in Hessen, but for many people, many NRW clubs would be a comforting break.
ZimmerBaby
10-26-19, 16:01
I won't be defending Oceans for. I find it silly.Then remains the key point of the visit. Problem is every negotiation / question is a nail in the coffin for my libido. Then my penis communicates only with bladder and kidney. The stuff in my balls sleep like Amy Winehouse. Then I need Netflix.
I visited Oceans last year and had a nice room & a very good steak. This year I took a friend with me. Entry was 65 E. Outside the entrance the Menu was posted listing two types of Steaks with many other items. Inside the club we were told no steak. Only Penne, Pizza, or schnitzel. We ordered the schnitzel which was very thin and dry. In the main club the girls we talked to said 50 E for 1/2 HR plus 50 E extra if we wanted kissing & BBBJ. We both decided to cut our loss and live with paying 65 E for bad schnitzel and a few bottles of water so we left. When the receptionist asked if everything was good I told her about the false advertising of food and the girls up-selling. She just looked at me. I told her we were going back to Babylon where we were the night before for good food & reasonably priced service. Time to remove Oceans from my GPS favorites.
When Oceans aimed to become club and°1 in Germany when they opened on end of 2014.
So this should have been the most crowded Friday eve of the year. Yet, the line-up was very poor. Admittedly some good-looking ladies (faces quite in the 8-range), but they neither busty (natural) nor german. Essentially mostly were albanian, romanian, a few from Hungary, and whatever. I spotted one girl from Germany, Nora, arabic-descend. But she asked me if I would either want to book special service or stay 1 HR. When I declined both options, she essentially told me that she has no time for me.
(This is essentially like the taxi. Driver who tells you to get lost, after he understands your destination is not excellent business).
BTW: I got like 30 free entrance cards, upon my exit. Not sure what to do with them, because I don't plan to come back anytime soon. The information in this is, that you should even get free entrance easily.
Would be happy to see pretty faces who are rare in FKK land, even at Globe or Aphrodisia, and Romanians are more interesting for me than Germans, but I don't like to be fucked by desk, why I don't return to Oceans. Rooms I tried were also quite dark, I need good light to contemplate beauty.
ExpatLover
11-06-19, 06:30
So this should have been the most crowded Friday eve of the year. Yet, the line-up was very poor. Admittedly some good-looking ladies (faces quite in the 8-range), but they neither busty (natural) nor german. Essentially mostly were albanian, romanian, a few from Hungary, and whatever. I spotted one girl from Germany, Nora, arabic-descend. But she asked me if I would either want to book special service or stay 1 HR. When I declined both options, she essentially told me that she has no time for me.
(This is essentially like the taxi. Driver who tells you to get lost, after he understands your destination is not excellent business).
BTW: I got like 30 free entrance cards, upon my exit. Not sure what to do with them, because I don't plan to come back anytime soon. The information in this is, that you should even get free entrance easily.Always the same story, most of the clubs are struggling to get good LU, not enough new and fresh girls entering the job, nice girls are not willing to get fucked so many times per day and prefer find a better way to make their life.
Well, the robe stuff is not a scam. Its even a sign there saying the new robes, or special robes is an extra 5 e.
The taxi thing is something all clubs have. It is just different how they bake it into the procing.When they set a robe in super poor condition on the counter and tell you you have a choice to upgrade, this lends to scam. Tell them you are OK with the rag on the counter. They don't want it in the club and will likely hand you another one.
The taxi scam is real and live here. If you are a foreigner, they jack the entrance to include the taxi fee, even when there is no driver. I argued with them, inviting the lady to come and sit in the car I drove to the club. At that point I should have left. Even worse, my friend and I paid the same entry, had the same drinks and food. When we checked out I was good to go but he had serious charges to pay. If I was local I'm sure things would have been different. My only reason to go there now is it's a cheap place to sleep until my morning check in at the airport for my flight out.
The taxi scam is real and live here. If you are a foreigner, they jack the entrance to include the taxi fee, even when there is no driver. I argued with them, inviting the lady to come and sit in the car I drove to the club. At that point I should have left. Even worse, my friend and I paid the same entry, had the same drinks and food. When we checked out I was good to go but he had serious charges to pay. If I was local I'm sure things would have been different. My only reason to go there now is it's a cheap place to sleep until my morning check in at the airport for my flight out.How does this taxi scam work?
I read on Oceans homepage that the price table (50 without a la carte, 65 with a la carte) is not valid if you arrive by taxi. Then the entrance fee is higher. The advice is to use the free shuttle service. So, if I arrive by taxi I must pay more for the entrance? How much? Is the shuttle service really free? Or is it a scam?
What would be the best and safest option to get there? Public transportation, taxi, shuttle service?
How does this taxi scam work?
I read on Oceans homepage that the price table (50 without a la carte, 65 with a la carte) is not valid if you arrive by taxi. Then the entrance fee is higher. The advice is to use the free shuttle service. So, if I arrive by taxi I must pay more for the entrance? How much? Is the shuttle service really free? Or is it a scam?
What would be the best and safest option to get there? Public transportation, taxi, shuttle service?When I drove my own car and parked in the parking, at entrance they told me the cost for entry. I said I understood the posted price on the website, why are you charging more. The Theke told me there was an additional charge for arriving by taxi. I told her I drove and she insisted I had to pay the increased price. I invited her to walk with me to my car that was parked just next to the helicopter. Finally she backed off and let me enter at the all inclusive price. Then came the pitch to pay for the better robe. The robe on the counter was total rags, a big fluffy new brown robe was next to it for a small increase. I said I'll stay with the standard robe and reached for the rag, at which point the Theke reached under the counter and gave me a better robe. The last scam I saw was on a different night. I entered with a friend, we both paid all inclusive and entered. We ate the same food and had the same drinks. On departure he was informed he owed an extra €130 for his food and drinks. That was enough for me to not return.
Jimmy Boy 99
01-27-20, 04:52
When I drove my own car and parked in the parking, at entrance they told me the cost for entry. I said I understood the posted price on the website, why are you charging more. The Theke told me there was an additional charge for arriving by taxi. I told her I drove and she insisted I had to pay the increased price. I invited her to walk with me to my car that was parked just next to the helicopter. Finally she backed off and let me enter at the all inclusive price. Then came the pitch to pay for the better robe. The robe on the counter was total rags, a big fluffy new brown robe was next to it for a small increase. I said I'll stay with the standard robe and reached for the rag, at which point the Theke reached under the counter and gave me a better robe. The last scam I saw was on a different night. I entered with a friend, we both paid all inclusive and entered. We ate the same food and had the same drinks. On departure he was informed he owed an extra 130 for his food and drinks. That was enough for me to not return.How did they justify the extra 130 Euro, since you and he had the same food and drinks and paid the all inclusive price? Why did he pay it, since they were not charging you?
Oceans desk is just a shame for a club which wanted to become number 1 , but just try to steal clients. I may miss beauties who are rare for me in FKK land, but I don't visit with such desk. To sleep close to airport, relax room where girls don't go, on first floor at Gold until 5 am, for only 25 with free foods and drinks, who can do better?
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