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Fake news?Yep, most of the mainstream media can't be trusted. I was at this particular rally chanting CNN sucks. Good fun. CNN the next day made it seem like it was an angry mob and that Jim Acosta was in danger, but in reality we were having a good laugh. Then again, CNN is fake news so it wasn't surprising. They don't report the news anymore, they report their narrative.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMzJsw3eFRQ
CNN fake Muslim protests.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1gR37Wwakw
Top 4 reasons CNN is called fake news.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igfW_ogd0ZM
Top 10 fake news of 2016.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REPFH2V_EYo
How about the current one where the Dems are calling Trump a racist?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCkt57w3Uu0
ABC fakes crime scene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YwIkknxE8E
This one just makes me laugh since Don Lemon is such a hypocrite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LulNAEeTsrc
NBC blows up truck for fake news story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fslEpQGw0M
Franciscass
07-17-19, 15:21
Yep, most of the mainstream media can't be trusted. I was at this particular rally chanting CNN sucks. Good fun. CNN the next day made it seem like it was an angry mob and that Jim Acosta was in danger, but in reality we were having a good laugh. Then again, CNN is fake news so it wasn't surprising. They don't report the news anymore, they report their narrative.Right on Smoothy, got to go to Fox to get accurate news these days. Mainstream media are just Trump haters and fake news platforms. Same goes for the Washington Post and The New York times.
It is always a matter of speculation as to whether the outcome of a situation would have been different had this or that happened or not particularly one as complicated as a world economic crisis, we simply don't know.
I do accept markets are at times driven just as much by physiology as fundamentals and I agree the September 29th shenanigans in the house did not help but that said the bill was passed 4 days later.
I guess you are saying that delay made all the difference to what followed. Possible I suppose but in my opinion unlikely and so I stand by my contention and the commonly accepted explanation of the crash of '08 '09 being caused by a housing crisis that first began to appear back in 2006.
At a bare minimum I think you have to agree that had there not been this housing crisis in the first place there would have been no need for a TARP making whether it passed on Sept 29th or Oct 3rd irrelevant.
If not then ET let's agree to disagree.I call that Sept. 29,2009 event the trigger for the panic selloff that followed because all evidence points to it being that. It was not a well-reasoned decision by forward thinking stock market investors considering the state of the country's finances and housing. They had almost a year of incremental, almost weekly awareness of that situation in the economy to bail out of the market in large numbers, but they didn't. I believe they didn't because it was assumed there would no "shenanigans" when the time came for the White House and Congress to do what is necessary to prevent another 1929. Housing, financial, banking, savings and loan crises, even (on rare occasion) deep Recessions can exist side-by-side with stock markets that continue on without a major, prolonged crash as long as there is ample reason to think there are enough clear heads willing to do the right thing to prevent a major Crash. We had all of those things during the Reagan and Bush1 years, but only one short term crash into 20% decline that only lasted a few days before recovering and nothing was done differently in terms of legislation in those few days.
That assumption came to a shocking halt on Sept. 29,2008. It doesn't matter that 3-4 days later Bush and his fellow Republicans came out and said, "Hey, folks, come on back! We were only kidding. We'll pass it this time, no kidding." Once panic sets in and the mob is racing for the exits, you don't reel them back in with immediate, largely improvised do-overs. Fed Chairman Paulson had been working since early 2008 on that bailout. Due diligence was baked in the market for why it was on the table for a vote and what it would likely mean. That quickly cobbled together do-over 3-4 days later, was not the same bill. Changes had been made in as much of a panic as the stock market investors running for the exits. And nobody thought this one legislation is all we'll need to pull us out of this crisis. It was merely the first one. There would be others. And more "shenanigans" when their time came? No thanks. I'm OUT.
It required a complete change in the political make-up of the Federal Government, replacing the one party well known throughout decades and decades of history for presiding over major economic declines and stock market crashes with the one that is as well known for pulling us out of them. In fact, the "shenanigans" did not even end from that former side. At virtually every step of the follow up measures required to pull us out of the Great Recession and get the stock market back on track for historic gains, the "shenanigans" side slow-walked, obfuscated, delayed, denied, blocked and obstructed them. It is one of the reasons this particular Dem recovery from a Rep decline was slower than the others. So, in a very real sense, the mob that ran for the exits in a panic starting Sept. 29,2008 and did not believe the calls to "come back, everything will be ok" 3-4 days later had it right as long as the Federal Government was in that side's control.
Yep, most of the mainstream media can't be trusted. I was at this particular rally chanting CNN sucks. Good fun. CNN the next day made it seem like it was an angry mob and that Jim Acosta was in danger, but in reality we were having a good laugh. Then again, CNN is fake news so it wasn't surprising. They don't report the news anymore, they report their narrative.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMzJsw3eFRQ
CNN fake Muslim protests.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1gR37Wwakw
Top 4 reasons CNN is called fake news.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igfW_ogd0ZM
Top 10 fake news of 2016.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REPFH2V_EYo
How about the current one where the Dems are calling Trump a racist?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCkt57w3Uu0
ABC fakes crime scene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YwIkknxE8E
This one just makes me laugh since Don Lemon is such a hypocrite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LulNAEeTsrc
NBC blows up truck for fake news story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fslEpQGw0MNo doubt, mainstream media and niche media can and do shade and spin to fit an agenda. The agenda is more often than not just to attract more eyes and ears to their product, not to promote a political side. But economic data isn't a matter of mood, political bias or opinion. Someone can shade and spin all they want. But until the data is shown to be false, having been fabricated for some reason, it is what it is.
Yep, most of the mainstream media can't be trusted.
...BTW, are those linked sources really where you go to sort out the Fake News from the Real News?
Franciscass
07-18-19, 08:19
It doesn't matter that 3-4 days later Bush and his fellow Republicans came out and said, "Hey, folks, come on back! We were only kidding. I am not an American although I follow its politics and as an investor its imperative to know what is happening to the markets there.
I am apolitical although one cannot but be disgusted by the behavior and values of some individuals who get elected to the highest ranks of public office.
ET I feel when discussing consequences of a particular event it is prudent to leave political partisanship out of the discussion as it clouds sound reasoning. I may be wrong but in your somewhat not easy to follow post it seems that you are blaming Bush and the republicans for the shenanigans of Monday Sept 29 when in fact the bill failed to pass because a third of the democratic members of the house voted against it. Don't forget they held the majority after the 2006 midterms 233 to 202.
It was only 2 days to the Wednesday when the senate passed the bill at which time it was generally accepted with the revisions the house would pass it too.
While some details were changed the objective of the bill remained the same to put a floor under the financial system to stop it from collapsing altogether with the ensuing possibility of another great depression.
Was what happened in this relatively small time frame in a crisis which had been brewing for months and months on end, years if you go back to the beginning of the housing collapse the cause of the subsequent fall in stock markets worldwide?
On that ET we will have to agree to disagree.
BTW, are those linked sources really where you go to sort out the Fake News from the Real News?In my opinion, it's pretty easy to pick out what is actual news and what is just narrative regardless of the source. Unfortunately, CNN is almost all narrative these days and very little true factual news. MSNBC has always been just narrative pushing their liberal agenda, but at least they make no secret of that. CNN actually tries to pose as a factual news network, which they are not. Foxnews has shows like hannity which just push the conservative narrative, but they do have some unbiased shows as well which I don't see on the other major cable networks. I prefer watching full raw footage of events, listening to debates and discussions from both sides of the argument, then making my own decisions rather than listening to how any of the news outlets try to spin things.
I find these types of interviews and debates interesting because they actually present both points of view. A channel like CNN never presents the conservative point of view in an educated manner.
Munk debate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxYimeaoea0
Politicon debate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2SDFwu_JR8
In my opinion, it's pretty easy to pick out what is actual news and what is just narrative regardless of the source. Unfortunately, CNN is almost all narrative these days and very little true factual news. MSNBC has always been just narrative pushing their liberal agenda, but at least they make no secret of that. CNN actually tries to pose as a factual news network, which they are not. Foxnews has shows like hannity which just push the conservative narrative, but they do have some unbiased shows as well which I don't see on the other major cable networks. I prefer watching full raw footage of events, listening to debates and discussions from both sides of the argument, then making my own decisions rather than listening to how any of the news outlets try to spin things.
I find these types of interviews and debates interesting because they actually present both points of view. A channel like CNN never presents the conservative point of view in an educated manner.
Munk debate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxYimeaoea0
Politicon debate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2SDFwu_JR8The US media is corporate and serves corporate interests. I don't consider any US media to be truly left leaning. When you compare them to media outlets in other developed nations CNN and MSNBC are center right at best. FFS, the Dems in the US are a center right party. I'm certainly hoping the new progressives can push the US a bit more towards the center soon. By far the worst channel for "fake news" in the US is Fox; that is if you can even call it news. It's like listening to Howard Stern. It's amazing entertainment.
We live in a post-truth world.
By far the worst channel for "fake news" in the US is Fox.You obviously don't watch foxnews because that's inaccurate. As I mentioned, they do have ridiculous shows like Hannity. However, there are lots of shows on Foxnews that report the news from both sides. I don't see that on any other network.
I like watching "The Five" on foxnews. I liked The Five better when Kimberly Guilfoyle was on there (hotty), but it's still a light hearted way of reporting and debating the news and I enjoy that. It sounds like you would like Shephard Smith.
You obviously don't watch foxnews because that's inaccurate. As I mentioned, they do have ridiculous shows like Hannity. However, there are lots of shows on Foxnews that report the news from both sides. I don't see that on any other network.
I like watching "The Five" on foxnews. I liked The Five better when Kimberly Guilfoyle was on there (hotty), but it's still a light hearted way of reporting and debating the news and I enjoy that. It sounds like you would like Shephard Smith.I don't mind that the prime time FOX NEWS programming is dominated by ultra wingnut spin and easily debunked fake news. There is certainly a market for that on cable news and buyer beware. But they obviously make an effort to fool their viewers into thinking they are watching Real News instead of Trump/GOP campaign lies and blather whenever Hannity and the others open their mouth.
That is not what CNN, MSNBC and regular broadcast news services on ABC, CBS and NBC do.
Notice that there is a bug in the lower left corner of the screen telling the viewer that what they are watching is "NEWS" through every one of those pundit/opinion programs 24/7.
The other channels don't do that. They just identify their channel with their call letters and do not insist you take everything you see and hear on every program to be ABC NEWS, CABLE NEWS or anything of the kind.
But that isn't what FOX NEWS does when they could simply place FN in the lower left corner of the screen as its channel call letters.
That decision was, imo, an obvious a early Roger Ailes concept designed to mislead viewers with an ever present lie placed on their tv screen.
And I guess I am puzzled why Real News needs to be given "both sides" unless there is an interest in promoting and elevating some lie or falsehood as equal to the reportable facts. FOX NEWS' biggest audiences are watching shows being promoted as NEWS that will likely never report much negative news about their favorite GOP figures, even when it is rather unprecedented news. And if they can't avoid it, there will be some noodnik there with no facts but only a rabid opinion that everyone else is lying as though that is an admirable effort to present "both sides" to credible, verified facts.
And I guess I am puzzled why Real News needs to be given "both sides" unless there is an interest in promoting and elevating some lie or falsehood as equal to the reportable facts. FOX NEWS' biggest audiences are watching shows being promoted as NEWS that will likely never report much negative news about their favorite GOP figures, even when it is rather unprecedented news.Although Hannity is absurdly biased, so are MSNBC's Rachel Maddow and CNN's Don Lemon. All three are fake news. Hannity says nothing negative about the President and Maddow and Lemon say nothing positive about the President. It's ridiculous.
But The Five is a pretty good show. I have yet to find any show on the other networks that presents issues with appropriate discussions from both sides like that. If you can name one on CNN like that please let me know. Of course MSNBC won't have one, but that's a given.
I also like the Gutfeld show. It's a comedy, but they come up with some good points on occasion.
Although Hannity is absurdly biased, so are MSNBC's Rachel Maddow and CNN's Don Lemon. All three are fake news. Hannity says nothing negative about the President and Maddow and Lemon say nothing positive about the President. It's ridiculous.
But The Five is a pretty good show. I have yet to find any show on the other networks that presents issues with appropriate discussions from both sides like that. If you can name one on CNN like that please let me know. Of course MSNBC won't have one, but that's a given.
I also like the Gutfeld show. It's a comedy, but they come up with some good points on occasion.But Hannity's show is the only one in that group above with the word "NEWS" ever present on the bottom of the screen. And I assume The Five does, too.
FOX has always misled its audience in that way. And not only visually, but in words as well. When Hannity and O'Reilly before him touted their ratings, they blasted all other news programming as inferior to theirs because they ere the only "Fair and Balanced" news shows. But call them out on their lies and they retreat to "Oh, we're only an entertainment show, we're just expressing our opinion!"
I appreciate that The Five is an opinion/pundit show on Fox that allows a non GOP voice to be heard and express an opinion, although I still question the motives for presenting "both sides" of verifiable news items. But MSNBC's Morning Joe Show is hosted by a former GOP Congressman who led the charge and voted to impeach Bill Clinton and rarely had a good word for Hillary Clinton. I am sure when he sees or hears Trump doing or saying something positive, he gives him props for it. I have heard him do it. And Maddow always cites the name of the "other side" of an important news item that was invited on her show to give his or her version of it. Sometimes they show up, sometimes they don't.
Btw, the reason MSNBC doesn't have a straight news only show is because their parent company, NBC, already has a national evening news program for that. But Fox does not. There is no Fox Evening News on the regular national Fox broadcast channel at those times. Probably showing Jeopardy or reruns of Hogan's Heroes then. They do not want to be subject to the same standards of scrutiny for credibility as the ABC, CBS and NBC networks. If they were, their national news reports would naturally fly in the face and contradict what is being said about that exact same news item on their cable channel. Awkward.
But MSNBC's Morning Joe Show is hosted by a former GOP Congressman who led the charge and voted to impeach Bill Clinton and rarely had a good word for Hillary Clinton.Joke Scarborough has basically lost any credibility. He was Trump's biggest supporter prior to the election. Both CNN and MSNBC had Trump on their shows quite often prior to the election. That was when they didn't expect him to win. I can't even watch Morning Joe anymore because all they do is spew hate. Donny Deutsch is flat out insane. I don't think any of the morning cable news shows are worth watching.
Here's a discussion of Scarborough making an announcement about him leaving the Republican party in a effort to boost sales for a record he made.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-_FRmd7d7c
Joke Scarborough has basically lost any credibility. He was Trump's biggest supporter prior to the election. Both CNN and MSNBC had Trump on their shows quite often prior to the election. That was when they didn't expect him to win. I can't even watch Morning Joe anymore because all they do is spew hate. Donny Deutsch is flat out insane. I don't think any of the morning cable news shows are worth watching.
Here's a discussion of Scarborough making an announcement about him leaving the Republican party in a effort to boost sales for a record he made.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-_FRmd7d7cPost of the year. Whenever I need to build up my self esteem I just YouTube election night videos from MSNBC and the Young Turks.
Fuggin comedy gold.
Here are some precitions for you:
1. Trump and the Repubs will win in 2020. Then the fun starts.
2. The US economy will be gangbusters through the second Trump term.
3. Ruth Bader Ginsburg will have a stroke and be comatose, but she won't resign. Never mind, Breyer dies and Trump appoints another judge.
4. Anything pending about Immigration hits the Sup Ct and the Trump Admin wins. Plus the Court prohibits nationwide injunctions.
5. Five more states legalize weed.
6. Xi is forced out and China starts playing nice.
7. The Brits join a trade market with the USA, Canada and Mexico.
8. The baht hits 35.
9. I'll be in Thailand 7 months of each year.
Hey is the Intercontinental or the Grand Hyatt girl friendly? I need 6 nights in a hotel before I move in, might as well use the benefits of the Trump economy Looks like the Orange Mussolini is getting me an Elite Visa too, thanks Badger Hair! Keep it up!
Here are some precitions for you:
1. Trump and the Repubs will win in 2020. Then the fun starts.
2. The US economy will be gangbusters through the second Trump term.
3. Ruth Bader Ginsburg will have a stroke and be comatose, but she won't resign. Never mind, Breyer dies and Trump appoints another judge.
4. Anything pending about Immigration hits the Sup Ct and the Trump Admin wins. Plus the Court prohibits nationwide injunctions.
5. Five more states legalize weed.
6. Xi is forced out and China starts playing nice.
7. The Brits join a trade market with the USA, Canada and Mexico.
8. The baht hits 35.
9. I'll be in Thailand 7 months of each year.
Hey is the Intercontinental or the Grand Hyatt girl friendly? I need 6 nights in a hotel before I move in, might as well use the benefits of the Trump economy Looks like the Orange Mussolini is getting me an Elite Visa too, thanks Badger Hair! Keep it up!Yeah right. If Trump wins 2020 expect another 4 years of divide and rule for sure. With 1 trillion tax cut for the top 1% & corporations deficit is already projected to grow 4 trillion with this clown. And many middle class taxes actually went up because they put limits on the deductions for primary homes! This guy has run so many of his companies into the ground & filed bankruptcy many times. Who runs a casino into bankruptcy? Real talent needed there for that. I first hand know of old couples who lost their savings listening to BS advice from Trump university. I'm an independent basically but surely would like to know what his supporters are smoking. Haha And sure there was supposed to be the best health plan ever but then "who knew it would be so complicated" and let's not even mention the stupid medieval wall that Mexico is supposedly paying for.
Robert Long
07-31-19, 21:41
Yeah right. If Trump wins 2020 expect another 4 years of divide and rule for sure. With 1 trillion tax cut for the top 1% & corporations deficit is already projected to grow 4 trillion with this clown. And many middle class taxes actually went up because they put limits on the deductions for primary homes! This guy has run so many of his companies into the ground & filed bankruptcy many times. Who runs a casino into bankruptcy? Real talent needed there for that. I first hand know of old couples who lost their savings listening to BS advice from Trump university. I'm an independent basically but surely would like to know what his supporters are smoking. Haha And sure there was supposed to be the best health plan ever but then "who knew it would be so complicated" and let's not even mention the stupid medieval wall that Mexico is supposedly paying for.Trump will not win, he only has his deplorables and even the repubs in Congress will not support him once they see their constituents are against Trump. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
No one will be fooled twice. The economy started it's roll in 2011 before this bimbo was elected. The jobs he brags about are Mcjobs, shitty low paying jobs that most have to work 2 or 3 jobs to make ends meet.
Everything the man says are lies. This is his style, he has lied to subcontractors and everyone in New York. He owes everyone money, which he will try to get out of paying by connecting them with someone in government.
His tax break for the rich has failed, they kept the money and bought their own stock back. The tariffs and duty deal with China is a failure, all of our soybean farmers are now on subsidies (welfare). Factories are closing in China because of the stoppage of exports due to the tariffs.
Everything this man touches turns to shit. DO NOT BELIEVE any of his lies.
RL.
Here are some precitions for you:
1. Trump and the Repubs will win in 2020. Then the fun starts.
2. The US economy will be gangbusters through the second Trump term.
3. Ruth Bader Ginsburg will have a stroke and be comatose, but she won't resign. Never mind, Breyer dies and Trump appoints another judge.
4. Anything pending about Immigration hits the Sup Ct and the Trump Admin wins. Plus the Court prohibits nationwide injunctions.
5. Five more states legalize weed.
6. Xi is forced out and China starts playing nice.
7. The Brits join a trade market with the USA, Canada and Mexico.
8. The baht hits 35.
9. I'll be in Thailand 7 months of each year.
Hey is the Intercontinental or the Grand Hyatt girl friendly? I need 6 nights in a hotel before I move in, might as well use the benefits of the Trump economy Looks like the Orange Mussolini is getting me an Elite Visa too, thanks Badger Hair! Keep it up!Yeah right. If Trump wins 2020 expect another 4 years of divide and rule for sure. With 1 trillion tax cut for the top 1% & corporations deficit is already projected to grow 4 trillion with this clown. And many middle class taxes actually went up because they put limits on the deductions for primary homes! This guy has run so many of his companies into the ground & filed bankruptcy many times. Who runs a casino into bankruptcy? Real talent needed there for that. I first hand know of old couples who lost their savings listening to BS advice from Trump university. I'm an independent basically but surely would like to know what his supporters are smoking. Haha And sure there was supposed to be the best health plan ever but then "who knew it would be so complicated" and let's not even mention the stupid medieval wall that Mexico is supposedly paying for.
Hey is the Intercontinental or the Grand Hyatt girl friendly? I need 6 nights in a hotel before I move inAll 4 Hyatt hotels in BKK are girl friendly.
Trump will not win, he only has his deplorables and even the repubs in Congress will not support him once they see their constituents are against Trump. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
No one will be fooled twice. The economy started it's roll in 2011 before this bimbo was elected. The jobs he brags about are Mcjobs, shitty low paying jobs that most have to work 2 or 3 jobs to make ends meet.
Everything the man says are lies. This is his style, he has lied to subcontractors and everyone in New York. He owes everyone money, which he will try to get out of paying by connecting them with someone in government.
His tax break for the rich has failed, they kept the money and bought their own stock back. The tariffs and duty deal with China is a failure, all of our soybean farmers are now on subsidies (welfare). Factories are closing in China because of the stoppage of exports due to the tariffs.
Everything this man touches turns to shit. DO NOT BELIEVE any of his lies.
RL.Myself and almost everyone I know will be voting Trump again next election. I don't know anyone who voted for Trump last election who doesn't think he is a good President. They will also happily vote for him again this next election. Of the relatively few people I know personally who do not support Trump, they didn't vote for him last election either. You can stick your head in the sand if you want, but he is going to win in 2020. Not only did I support him in 2016, I support him even more now. I think he's a huge upgrade over Obama. None of the Dem candidates are worth a damn.
I disagree with almost everything you just said in your post.
I bet you thought Hillary Clinton was going to win the last election. The reality is that Trump has a lot of support in the USA and the liberal media doesn't report it. One look at his rallies compared to the rallies of his competitors tells you all you need to know. His rallies are jam packed while his rivals rallies are sparse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtrrZUOU_UU
Here are some precitions for you:
1. Trump and the Repubs will win in 2020. Then the fun starts.
2. The US economy will be gangbusters through the second Trump term.
3. Ruth Bader Ginsburg will have a stroke and be comatose, but she won't resign. Never mind, Breyer dies and Trump appoints another judge.
4. Anything pending about Immigration hits the Sup Ct and the Trump Admin wins. Plus the Court prohibits nationwide injunctions.
5. Five more states legalize weed.
6. Xi is forced out and China starts playing nice.
7. The Brits join a trade market with the USA, Canada and Mexico.
8. The baht hits 35.
9. I'll be in Thailand 7 months of each year.
Hey is the Intercontinental or the Grand Hyatt girl friendly? I need 6 nights in a hotel before I move in, might as well use the benefits of the Trump economy Looks like the Orange Mussolini is getting me an Elite Visa too, thanks Badger Hair! Keep it up!Very accurate post. I think you are spot on there. I am also enjoying the extra cash in my bank account due to the Trump tax cuts and Trump economy.
Mr Enternational
08-01-19, 06:46
Myself and almost everyone I know will be voting Trump again next election. I don't know anyone who voted for Trump last election who doesn't think he is a good President. That is because you do not know me. I am of neither party and vote for the candidate that I think is best. I voted for him last time because he wasn't the usual candidate and I wanted an outsider to shake things up. And that is exactly what he has done not knowing jack shit about trade.
I would vote for him again if it was not his treatment of the Central Park 5 deal. I do notice more money in my paycheck. Although others complain that richer people are getting more rich and we are only getting temporary scraps. A sure way for him to win is to legalize weed.
Sometimes I wish certain deceased commentators were still around. Hitchens, Hicks, Zappa. They'd have a field day with Trump.
Very accurate post. I think you are spot on there. I am also enjoying the extra cash in my bank account due to the Trump tax cuts and Trump economy.In sync with Trump's pleading for them to do so, the Fed just came to the rescue for his economy, cutting rates to help bolster a shaky outlook for economic growth for the first time since the 2008 Financial Crisis:
https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2019/07/31/the-fed-cuts-rates-for-the-first-time-in-over-a-decade
INTEREST RATES set by the Federal Reserve have been rising since 2015. The gradual approach, explained the Feds chairman, Jerome Powell, last September was intended to leave time to see how well the economy could absorb each hike. So far the economy has performed very well, and very much in keeping with our expectations, he said back then.
Now America is being treated to what some are calling Powells pirouette. On July 31st Mr Powell announced Americas first interest-rate cut in over a decade, of 0.25 percentage points. At the press conference after the announcement he blamed weak global growth, trade policy uncertainty and muted inflation. Were trying to sustain the expansion, he said.I have been enjoying the extra cash in my real estate equity and my stock market gains for at least 4 years before Trump became president. I am pretty sure they both added more income to my household wealth than the middling tax cut I likely would have barely noticed. Especially if I'd needed to purchase an item targeted by his tariffs and paid the consumer tax on it.
Can't say I have noticed an improvement rather than a slowing down on the trajectory of the most important economic metrics since Obama left office and Trump took over. If anything, those metrics have been showing signs of slowing down lately. For the first time in almost a decade. Which is why the Fed just cut the Funds Rate yesterday. And to think Trump had to add $2 Trillion+ to the deficit just to buy that nothingness! Score another really bad deal for the worst negotiator ever to enter the White House.
A sure way for him to win is to legalize weed.LOL. That issue isn't even top 1000 in my mind. But I do think legalizing weed is just common sense.
That is because you do not know me. I am of neither party and vote for the candidate that I think is best. I voted for him last time because he wasn't the usual candidate and I wanted an outsider to shake things up. And that is exactly what he has done not knowing jack shit about trade.
I would vote for him again if it was not his treatment of the Central Park 5 deal. I do notice more money in my paycheck. Although others complain that richer people are getting more rich and we are only getting temporary scraps. A sure way for him to win is to legalize weed.But the Central Park 5 deal was years before the 2016 election. The extra cash in your paycheck was front loaded for you to notice it until soon after the 2020 election. Then it will be phased out while the corporate tax cuts will go on and on adding further trillions to the deficit.
Remember when Trump suddenly announced about 10 days before the 2018 midterm elections that he was going to pass a "10% Middle Class Tax Cut!" before that 2018 election even though Congress was already long gone to their home states and districts and passing anything, especially a mythical "10% Middle Class Tax Cut!" was impossible because, well, the midterm election was going to happen in about 10 days? Yeah, THAT is how little to zero notice most Americans took of their grand tax cuts from the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. He had to lie, I mean promise them another one out of the blue in order to try to salvage the thumping his party took in that election. And we're talking about the first couple of years of the tax cuts, the only years you and everyone else who is not super wealthy was even likely to notice them.
A sure way for him to win is to legalize weed.Pretty sure this is a state issue as some states have legalised it. A federal law wouldn't have much effect on the states unless the federal gov pursued them to make the change.
The biggest issue WRT legalising weed is the ban on banks dealing with the proceeds of drugs. That's the problem that medical cannabis companies are having, they can't use the banking system.
Franciscass
08-01-19, 10:15
ICan't say I have noticed an improvement rather than a slowing down on the trajectory or most important economic metrics since Obama left office and Trump took over. If anything, those metrics have been been showing signs of slowing down lately. For the first time in almost a decade. Which is why the Fed just cut the Funds Rate yesterday. And to think Trump had to add $2 Trillion+ to the deficit just to buy that nothingness! Score another really bad deal for the worst negotiator ever to enter the White House.Not being presumptuous but perhaps something we can agree on ET.
Trump is not the least bit interested in the well being of Americans either financially or in their quality of life. What motivates him is for God only knows what reason to dismantle the legacy of Obama aka the Affordable health Care Act, the Paris Climate Accord and the Iran Deal.
To indulge his narcissism his racism and his ego he appeals to the lowest instincts of human behavior. Just look at his so called base. White under educated old male disgruntled bigots and that is being kind to them.
Who would have thought America had so many. They are far from being a majority but enough with the vagaries of the Electoral College and the 60% only who vote in elections resulted in him becoming president.
He ballooned up the national debt by giving more to the already disproportionately rich. Wow, very clever idea Donald, why didn't anybody else figure that one out.
He picked fights with Canada and the EU friends of the US to show his manly chops when in reality he was too cowardly to fight for his country in Vietnam.
His falling in love with Kim Jong Un arguably the most psychopathic violent dictator on the planet while cozying up to Saudis after they butchered Khashoggi, his fondness for Putin and his pathological lying all show who he is.
I'm not an American but if I were I would be so embarrassed that these world despots all know how to play this guy like a puppet on a string. To get a photo op he gives up the prestige and influence that the US has enjoyed on the world stage since WW2.
Oh did I mention he still denies man made climate change that is already beginning to negatively impact millions of lives, that asset values improved more under Obama at the same time in their presidencies.
None of this means anything to his followers who think he loves them as patriots and fine people but who in reality looks down on them as losers as he shits in his gold plated bathroom while watching Fox News.
Myself and almost everyone I know will be voting Trump again next election. I don't know anyone who voted for Trump last election who doesn't think he is a good President. They will also happily vote for him again this next election. Of the relatively few people I know personally who do not support Trump, they didn't vote for him last election either. You can stick your head in the sand if you want, but he is going to win in 2020. Not only did I support him in 2016, I support him even more now. I think he's a huge upgrade over Obama. None of the Dem candidates are worth a damn.
I disagree with almost everything you just said in your post.What is 60' long and has 12 teeth?
The front row at a Trump rally.
Just look at his so called base. White under educated old male disgruntled bigots and that is being kind to them.The old saying "ignorance is bliss" certainly comes to mind when I read your post. You refer to them as bigots, then act as a bigot yourself.
Bigot - a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.
Trump supporters are just normal Americans who hold a different opinion from yours. I've been to Trump rallies and although you are in line with the way the liberal media likes to portray things, you are way off. The Trump supporters I know personally are well educated and far from "bigots". They are educated business professionals who have successful careers and lives. And they are very accepting of all races and religions as long as those races and religions are accepting of them and respectful of the USA. However, they do have enough common sense to realize when political correctness and special interest groups had garnered an absurd level of attention. The country needed a change of direction and Trump provided that.
Even us Trump supporters realize that Trump says ridiculous things often, that he's bombastic and egotistical, that he has very little filter (political correctness) in his comments. However, he's a breath of fresh air in my mind. I much prefer him over the slick talking lawyer types we normally see in politics.
Go to a Trump rally, I bet you find the people there to be good-hearted people, very civil (even if you are yelling negative comments and acting like a fool), and far more well educated than the media would have you believe.
If you do try to go to a Trump rally, get your tickets and get in line early because those rallies fill quickly and you might be left outside to watch on a huge movie theater size screen they put outside for those who couldn't get in to watch the rally inside.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNJxA9hCcgA
Franciscass
08-02-19, 02:50
The old saying "ignorance is bliss" certainly comes to mind when I read your post. You refer to them as bigots, then act as a bigot yourself.
Bigot - a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.
Trump supporters are just normal Americans who hold a different opinion from yours. I've been to Trump rallies and although you are in line with the way the liberal media likes to portray things, you are way off. The Trump supporters I know personally are well educated and far from "bigots". They are educated business professionals who have successful careers and lives. And they are very accepting of all races and religions as long as those races and religions are accepting of them and respectful of the USA. However, they do have enough common sense to realize when political correctness and special interest groups had garnered an absurd level of attention. The country needed a change of direction and Trump provided that.
Even us Trump supporters realize that Trump says ridiculous things often, that he's bombastic and egotistical, that he has very little filter (political correctness) in his comments. However, he's a breath of fresh air in my mind. I much prefer him over the slick talking lawyer types we normally see in politics.I get the argument that the so called political establishment are mostly self-serving elites, ruling classes who cater more to vested interests rather than the average citizen. I get it when somebody comes along who runs on a platform of "I'm not one of them I'm different" it's very appealing. It works for me. What I don't get is how this is then used to excuse the most outrageous behavior, the lying, the bullying the racism, the stoking of fear and divisiveness saying oh well its OK that's just Trump being Trump he's different.
As to his rallies I accept I haven't been to any of them but I imagine they are fun events with lots of camaraderie and enthusiasm but as I understand who goes to them I will quote the man himself. There are bigots, there are racists, and some I assume are good people including Smoothy.
Not being presumptuous but perhaps something we can agree on ET.
Trump is not the least bit interested in the well being of Americans either financially or in their quality of life. What motivates him is for God only knows what reason to dismantle the legacy of Obama aka the Affordable health Care Act, the Paris Climate Accord and the Iran Deal.
...You presume correctly, Franciscass. As Mark Twain said, "It is easier to fool somebody than to convince them they've been fooled." Consequently, there must be a lot of Trump supporters still convinced he has kept a single major campaign promise or has outperformed his predecessor on any major economic and/or national security metric, which he has not. Or maybe they still think the voice of a shameless con man sounds like a breath of fresh air compared with the way people sound when they know what they're talking about and are working hard to improve conditions and institutions rather than tearing them down. The latter is so boring compared with the former. To paraphrase another observation, bringing a horse into a hospital and leaving him there for 4 years would "shake things up", too. But not exactly in a good way.
GDP growth for 2018, which had been celebrated by Trump and his supporters as being the first of many 3%+ growth years, supposedly besting what Obama presided over, was just revised downward to 2.9%. Therefore, despite jacking up the deficit by an unnecessary $2 Trillion+ in order to BUY a better annual GDP growth rate than Obama presided over, Trump still failed to do so. Obama had an annual GDP growth rate of 2.9% during the three years prior to Trump taking over. I see no reason to expect this year, Trump's third year in office, to produce a 3% or greater GDP growth rate. I think we'll be lucky to see it top 2% for this year.
Private sector jobs creation in the first 2 1/2 years of the Trump administration has so far under-performed Obama's last 2 1/2 years by at least 500,000 private sector jobs.
The unemployment rate has not declined any faster nor the trajectory of that decline fallen any sharper under Trump than it did under Obama. And it is impossible for Trump to (truthfully) take legislative or policy credit for turning a skyrocketing unemployment rate into a deeply and consistently declining one because, unlike Obama, he did not take over during a period of skyrocketing unemployment.
Wages are ticking up under Trump (as they were beginning to under Obama) because Obama's economy took us from that skyrocketing unemployment rate he inherited into the level of "Full Employment" well before the 2016 election and because several of the most populace and largely Blue/Dem states have passed minimum wage laws raising it to or near $15 per hour, typically doubling it in a single year. It has nothing whatsoever to do with a Trump or GOP Congressional economic policy or legislation. In fact, they oppose those moves and delight in slamming them as "Socialism! while at the same time they work very hard to take credit for the outcome.
Trump loves to take credit for wages rising among "Blacks, Hispanics and women!" on his watch. But he will never mention the minimum wage jobs those state laws he and his party philosophically oppose have been giving relatively huge hourly wage raises to Blacks, Hispanics and women because those kind of jobs are disproportionately occupied by them. That is why their wages are going up. It certainly hasn't got a thing to do with giving large tax cuts to the top 1% Elite wealthiest and corporations in some never-seen-before Supply-Side/Trickle-Down miracle or because he eliminated regulations in some industries.
The average annual gains in the stock market under Trump have not surpassed Obama's average annual gains even if we factor in the massive losses in the market that were just cresting and cascading into a Niagara Falls plunge months before the 2008 election and continued in that same downward plunge for a couple of months after his inauguration.
Some of the Leading Economic Indicators are declining under Trump for the first time in several years. The Fed does not lower the Funds Rate because an economy is roaring into "the greatest in USA History." On the contrary, if there is indication of such an improvement in the economy on the horizon, they RAISE rates, which is what they did under Obama almost a year before the 2016 election and again under Obama a month before the January 2017 inauguration. When they lower rates, as they did just this week, it is because the economy is in decline or they see the risk of an economic slowdown or a decline ahead.
I can only assume Trump is too clueless about that most basic Fed Funds Rate principle to know his pleading for them to cut rates was nothing more than a tacit admission that his economy needed the help, that the "greatest economy in USA History" could not handle a measly 2.5% Fed Funds rate and they'd better lower it for him quick. Well, the other possibility is he knows better than anyone his base is too clueless to know anything about that.
What is 60' long and has 12 teeth?
The front row at a Trump rally.What's 20 feet long and has an IQ of 20?
The lineup of Democrat presidential candidates.
Ka-ching!
the Central Park 5 deal. I'm no expert on that topic, but I do have a lot of respect for Brandon Tatum's perspectives. This is his take on it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7krMErdyxhk
"It is easier to fool somebody than to convince them they've been fooled." I will admit I was fooled into voting for Obama and that was a mistake back then. However, I'm very satisfied with the current President.
I will admit I was fooled into voting for Obama and that was a mistake back then. However, I'm very satisfied with the current President.Interesting. On a related topic, is there a version of Patpong's BarBar Fetish Club in Jarkarta to keep you happy and satisfied at home, too?
is there a version of Patpong's BarBar Fetish Club in Jarkarta?If I were into that, I'd have voted for Hillary Clinton.
As far as a place like that in Jakarta, I have heard tell of such a place. I've never been to it, but I hear they may have converted Obama's old house in Menteng into a place like that and it's run by Larry Sinclair. Supposedly they also serve nasi goreng.
I'm rather glad this thread has been revived and ghettoized for the political 'discussion'. Was a bit ridiculous being in General or BKK Reports. Now I know which to ignore.
Franciscass
08-04-19, 07:53
Quantum randomness and Jung's theory of synchronicity can be used explain coincidences in hate crimes by right wing white supremacists but if a cause can be defined, then there is no coincidence.
This lunatic that want on a rampage in El Paso drove 1000 clicks to a city on the front line of the immigration crisis. This was no coincidence. No it was where hordes of infested gang banger invaders were attempting to enter the US and he as a good patriot had a duty to do something about it.
Quantum randomness and Jung's theory of synchronicity can be used explain coincidences in hate crimes by right wing white supremacists but if a cause can be defined, then there is no coincidence.
This lunatic that want on a rampage in El Paso drove 1000 clicks to a city on the front line of the immigration crisis. This was no coincidence. No it was where hordes of infested gang banger invaders were attempting to enter the US and he as a good patriot had a duty to do something about it.A lot of them congregate in Trump rallies and feed off the BS that Trump speaks there and then of course his mega tweets. Let's not kid ourselves everyone (at least in his rallies) knows what MAGA really stands for. They are mostly disenfranchised and blame immigrants, non whites & the so called swamp in Washington for all their economic woes. Yeah a few rich guys are there but that's all politics. The "swamp" is now real after this guy took office. Many of his cronies turned out to be criminals now serving time in jail. Every worthy cabinet member who has left has called him a moron or worse. National debt is ballooning like never before. Had it not been for the US federalized system & the strong institutions, the country would have turned into a shithole by now. This potus has rolled back economic, environmental & consumer protections especially if they were enacted under the previous guy. Farmers & coal companies are going bankrupt. This guy had promised to save them. Haha. There is no healthcare reform even though he had a majority in both houses for his initial two years of his term.
Member #4698
08-04-19, 23:20
Everything is Trump's fault. More left wing clap trap, SexishateTrump. I am really surprised the ISG permits this divisive shit to be posted on it's web pages. For example, posts about Ladyboy pickups are not permitted here primarily because pro ladyboy posts are considered divisive, but these hate posts exhibiting full blown Trump derangement syndrome are not considered divisive? Really! This makes no sense. To the point: what does a BM's American political viewpoint, left or right, extreme radical or middle of the road, have to do with girls, sex, and Thailand? Nothing! The ISG should be apolitical and therefore it should outlaw ALL political posts.
So I ask that the ISG to put an end to these irrelevant, angry, argumentative and hateful, posts once and for all or I predict the ISG will lose half its contributors. Guys like SexishateTrump, you can't have a serious political discussion with them, but they can find plenty of other outlets on the internet to spew their garbage and vent among like minded people. I am tired of the malice and hate on this web site.
Franciscass
08-05-19, 02:05
Everything is Trump's fault. More left wing clap trap, SexishateTrump. I am really surprised the ISG permits this divisive shit to be posted on it's web pages. For example, posts about Ladyboy pickups are not permitted here primarily because pro ladyboy posts are considered divisive, but these hate posts exhibiting full blown Trump derangement syndrome are not considered divisive? Really! This makes no sense. To the point: what does a BM's American political viewpoint, left or right, extreme radical or middle of the road, have to do with girls, sex, and Thailand? Nothing! The ISG should be apolitical and therefore it should outlaw ALL political posts.
So I ask that the ISG to put an end to these irrelevant, angry, argumentative and hateful, posts once and for all or I predict the ISG will lose half its contributors. Guys like SexishateTrump, you can't have a serious political discussion with them, but they can find plenty of other outlets on the internet to spew their garbage and vent among like minded people. I am tired of the malice and hate on this web site.You are perfectly correct Natty is pointing out posts on US politics have nothing to do with the purpose of the Forum and I guess that's why admin created The Thailand Lounge and Chat area. In truth US politics aside a large part of what's posted on the forum adds nothing to P4P in Thailand. This doesn't bother me though as I simply use the ignore button to filter members I know are usually navel gazing.
While as I said I see where you are coming from on the Trump posts I may be wrong but it would appear from the anger in your post that what really caused you to vent was the criticism of the dear leader himself rather than its irrelevancy. Possible?.
A lot of them congregate in Trump rallies and feed off the BS that Trump speaks there and then of course his mega tweets. Let's not kid ourselves everyone (at least in his rallies) knows what MAGA really stands for.I have been to a few Trump rallies, they are harmless good fun and have good people attending. The only people acting like jerks at those rallies are the anti-Trump idiots. MAGA simply stands for Make America Great Again. Trump has already done that, so his next slogan will be Keep America Great. And that means great for all Americans, not just certain ones. If you read any more than that into it, you are quite possibly a racist yourself.
Everything is Trump's fault.To be fair, everything was Obama's fault when she was President as well.
For fun, I have been passing out these t-shirts to Indo girls. If you see one wearing this shirt, you will know she slept with me at least once. LOL.
To be fair, everything was Obama's fault when she was President as well.
For fun, I have been passing out these t-shirts to Indo girls. If you see one wearing this shirt, you will know she slept with me at least once. LOL.It's all very well for "the Left" to be routed in the US, but what about men's rights for a change? Or to be more on topic with this forum, what about men's sexual rights? Prostitution is as criminalized as before. Family courts still have a licence to steal. Men must still massively travel abroad if they want sex with real women. Sex prison as usual.
Black and hispano victimhood have been dealt a blow but female victimhood stands as strong as ever.
Name me a single item on the misandric legal arsenal that has been repealed, a single female privilege taken away under Trump. Trump in power, overwhelmingly supported by men, yet the parasitic hypergamous lying female still runs the plantation. Pathetic.
Everything is Trump's fault. More left wing clap trap, SexishateTrump. I am really surprised the ISG permits this divisive shit to be posted on it's web pages. For example, posts about Ladyboy pickups are not permitted here primarily because pro ladyboy posts are considered divisive, but these hate posts exhibiting full blown Trump derangement syndrome are not considered divisive? Really! This makes no sense. To the point: what does a BM's American political viewpoint, left or right, extreme radical or middle of the road, have to do with girls, sex, and Thailand? Nothing! The ISG should be apolitical and therefore it should outlaw ALL political posts.
So I ask that the ISG to put an end to these irrelevant, angry, argumentative and hateful, posts once and for all or I predict the ISG will lose half its contributors. Guys like SexishateTrump, you can't have a serious political discussion with them, but they can find plenty of other outlets on the internet to spew their garbage and vent among like minded people. I am tired of the malice and hate on this web site.Funny, but my impression was there have been a lot more interesting girls, sex and Thailand reports from different posters over the past few weeks.
I am not saying that is because those newer posters feel comfortable knowing there are at least a few others here with a grip on reality and a basic understanding of things like the near across the board economic underperformance of this current administration vs the previous one, the embarrassingly failed foreign policy, the bully pulpit-inspired uptick in hate crimes and mass shootings and so on (perhaps what you consider "full blown Trump derangement syndrome"?). I am just saying the presence of those topics and posts in this particular thread has not appeared to be chasing new and good ISG contributors away at all.
Member #4698
08-05-19, 13:50
Good point XXL. I too am disappointed with the slow pace of the roll out of the Trump agenda. But he has made some progress and think of the alternative ie a Hillary regime.
EihTooms, I know you are not one of the haters. Your arguments against Trump and Reagan are grounded in Socialist Economic Theory and Alternative History. You would be arguing with equal conviction against the policies and ideas of Jeb Bush, Mitt Romney, or more importantly Milton Friedman. I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I would not be surprised if you consider the Obama Presidency a disappointment in that he did not go far enough when he had the opportunity. I choose not to debate you on the ISG pages because I don't see the point. I will never convince you of the value of the free market or minimum government intrusion into the private sector and you will never convince me of the virtues of central planning and government control. The only persons I strongly object to are the irrational haters and their handlers - the Saul Alinsky's of the world who spell disaster.
Franciscass
08-05-19, 14:53
Good point XXL. I too am disappointed with the slow pace of the roll out of the Trump agenda. But he has made some progress and think of the alternative ie a Hillary regime.
EihTooms, I know you are not one of the haters. Your arguments against Trump and Reagan are grounded in Socialist Economic Theory and Alternative History. You would be arguing with equal conviction against the policies and ideas of Jeb Bush, Mitt Romney, or more importantly Milton Friedman. I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I would not be surprised if you consider the Obama Presidency a disappointment in that he did not go far enough when he had the opportunity. I choose not to debate you on the ISG pages because I don't see the point. I will never convince you of the value of the free market or minimum government intrusion into the private sector and you will never convince me of the virtues of central planning and government control. The only persons I strongly object to are the irrational haters and their handlers - the Saul Alinsky's of the world who spell disaster."The ISG should be apolitical and therefore it should outlaw ALL political posts".
Oh oh Natty if the above is not a political post what is.
May be wrong but it seems you want to ban those who find Trump a racist demigod because it runs contrary to your own views on his presidency.
I have to say I find this disappointing as I always took you for a liberal open minded tolerant chappie.
Anyway isn't it way more interesting to be exchanging views on Trump than talking about the shape of post op lady boy's vaginas or is it?
Either way best not trying to police the forum, live and let live I say.
Good point XXL. I too am disappointed with the slow pace of the roll out of the Trump agenda. That should change after the 2020 election when the Republicans have full control of the White House, Senate, and the House or Reps. Trump was naive when he first started, now he is much more aware of how to handle things politically. Also gone are the guys like Paul Ryan who were doing nothing but obstructing progress behind the scenes.
That should change after the 2020 election when the Republicans have full control of the White House, Senate, and the House or Reps. Trump was naive when he first started, now he is much more aware of how to handle things politically. Also gone are the guys like Paul Ryan who were doing nothing but obstructing progress behind the scenes.Thank you Smoothy and Natty. Jackson refuses to post my comments on the matter but I am glad he allows yours. I am eternally moderated / punished because of my long time ago incendiary responses.
Good point XXL. I too am disappointed with the slow pace of the roll out of the Trump agenda. But he has made some progress and think of the alternative ie a Hillary regime.
EihTooms, I know you are not one of the haters. Your arguments against Trump and Reagan are grounded in Socialist Economic Theory and Alternative History. You would be arguing with equal conviction against the policies and ideas of Jeb Bush, Mitt Romney, or more importantly Milton Friedman. I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I would not be surprised if you consider the Obama Presidency a disappointment in that he did not go far enough when he had the opportunity. I choose not to debate you on the ISG pages because I don't see the point. I will never convince you of the value of the free market or minimum government intrusion into the private sector and you will never convince me of the virtues of central planning and government control. The only persons I strongly object to are the irrational haters and their handlers - the Saul Alinsky's of the world who spell disaster.No, none of those things apply to me really. Easily researched and accessible historical data and records of results do not lend themselves to Socialist Economic Theory and Alternative History or any other excuses for consistent and repeated economic under performance by one political party vs another over the course of 100 years.
Favorite Republican policy economic results under perform those of Democratic policies, more often than not disastrously so, because they are inferior ideas for how to grow and expand a complex national economy like the usa. Maybe they work ok for small nuclear families, their usual simplistic go-to analogy for what great ideas they are. But not for the entire nation.
If Trump didn't have his shit together to at least match the economic results of the Obama administration, he probably should have admitted that to himself and bowed out before he lost his party majority in the House. One (1) ineffectual economic legislation passed in two long, long years when he had majorities in both houses of Congress does not bode well for what will follow even if the Russians and other enemies of America both foreign and domestic hack every precinct polling place in the country and give him a second term.
Btw, Trump himself pointed out that the economy always seems to do much better when Democrats are in charge. But that was before he decided making fools of Republican presidential nomination candidates would make for a terrific year long Trump Brand infomercial and unexpectedly found himself being carried over the finish line by Russian campaign support and fellow Republicans in the FBI.
Franciscass
08-05-19, 16:49
Good point XXL. I too am disappointed with the slow pace of the roll out of the Trump agenda. But he has made some progress and think of the alternative ie a Hillary regime.
EihTooms, I know you are not one of the haters. Your arguments against Trump and Reagan are grounded in Socialist Economic Theory and Alternative History. You would be arguing with equal conviction against the policies and ideas of Jeb Bush, Mitt Romney, or more importantly Milton Friedman. I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I would not be surprised if you consider the Obama Presidency a disappointment in that he did not go far enough when he had the opportunity. I choose not to debate you on the ISG pages because I don't see the point. I will never convince you of the value of the free market or minimum government intrusion into the private sector and you will never convince me of the virtues of central planning and government control. The only persons I strongly object to are the irrational haters and their handlers - the Saul Alinsky's of the world who spell disaster.Wow we sure have it going now Natty. So much for no political chit chat.
You are a welcome addition to the discussion albeit on the wrong side but that's OK.
I got an idea why don't we ET Smoothy yourself and myself meet for an evening get pissed and end up wrecking a go go when the disagreements on Trump get really out of hand, then shake hands and agree to do it all again the next night.
Member #4698
08-05-19, 17:02
If Trump didn't have his shit together to at least match the economic results of the Obama administration, he probably should have admitted that to himself and bowed out before he lost his party majority in the House. One (1) ineffectual economic legislation passed in two long, long years when he had majorities in both houses of Congress does not bode well for what will follow even if the Russians and other enemies of America both foreign and domestic hack every precinct polling place in the country and give him a second term.There you go again. The economic results of the Trump administration far exceed the economic results of the Obama administration if you are honest about the time period of comparison and use the same relevant yardsticks. I think you just like to argue.
The following quote is from the Washington Post, not exactly a pro Trump news outfit; " President Obama is the only president since Herbert Hoover to not have guided the US economy to 3 percent growth in any year he was in office." That was Obama's new normal in a nutshell. The weakest economic recovery since WW 2.
There you go again. The economic results of the Trump administration far exceed the economic results of the Obama administration if you are honest about the time period of comparison and use the same relevant yardsticks. I think you just like to argue.I'll give you one; at least a half million more private sector jobs were created in the last 2 1/2 years of the Obama presidency than in the first 2 1/2 years of the Trump presidency. A simple Google Search on the subject and focus on the Bureau of Labor Statistucs will tell you that.
Ok, your turn.
Member #4698
08-05-19, 17:36
I'll give you one; at least a half million more private sector jobs were created in the last 2 1/2 years of the Obama presidency than in the first 2 1/2 years of the Trump presidency. A simple Google Search on the subject and focus on the Bureau of Labor Statistucs will tell you that.
Ok, your turn.No, I have more important matters to attend to. I just got a Viper text from Yangon Sally. I want to see what she is up to. I am planning to visit her in Yangon for a few days and then take her back with me to BKK for a little holiday. I know it's like bringing sand to the beach, but I think it will be fun showing her around BKK. She is a GFE (by your definition & by mine).
Perhaps some one else wants to carry on the economic discussion.
BTW, since my thought waves are now focused on a girl and where to take her when we are in BKK: on one of my last nights in town last June, I took Mini to Kinnaree by Vanessa WU for an elegant dinner. This was based on your recommendation. We both really liked the place - both the ambiance and the food. I ordered a glass of Thai red wine from Hua Hin provence and surprisingly it was very good. I would order it again.
No, I have more important matters to attend to. I just got a Viper text from Yangon Sally. I want to see what she is up to. I am planning to visit her in Yangon for a few days and then take her back with me to BKK for a little holiday. I know it's like taking sand to the beach, but I think it will be fun showing her around BKK. She is a GFE (by your definition & by mine).
Perhaps some one else wants to carry on the discussion.LOL. Good move. Actually, I have already posted links to some of the important data results here over the past 2-3 weeks. Better to respond to her Viper text. You will not be nearly as rewarded by what you will most certainly discover when or if you do a side by side comparison for any reasonably similar timeline between the Obama administration and the Trump administration for key economic metrics like private sector jobs creation, GDP growth, the trajectory of the unemployment rate, stock market gains and so on.
On a more positive note for you and others re Trump's chances in 2020, mainstream media and especially financial media are typically too lazy to delve into those critical details and are instead apt to merely parrot the recommendation that Trump ought to be talking about "his" very good economy instead of tweeting all his nonsense as though the still good conditions coasting along on the blood, sweat and hard work Obama, Pelosi, Reid and other Dems put into it in years past has much of anything to do with what he and his GOP have done without even bothering to flash a simple 10 year chart on the screen that would pretty much destroy that pro Trump election spin.
For instance, this:
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000
Trump will never be able to match much less surpass the dramatic trajectory inflection in the unemployment rate that ocurred after Obama's first policies were put in place by the end of 2009. And then there was that deep decline in it from 2013 to 2016. Nothing like either of those decline trajectories has occurred under Trump.
Member #4698
08-05-19, 18:16
LOL. Good move. <snip> Better to respond to her Viper text. You will not be nearly as rewarded by what you will most certainly discover when or if you do a side by side comparison <snip>OK, I will offer you the same wager I offered you before the 2016 election: I will bet you $1. 00 (a gentleman's wager) that Trump wins the 2020 election and I will offer you an additional $1.00 bet that should Trump win, he wins by a wider margin than he did in 2016.
Now, I really have to go. Atomic Blond is LINE video calling from Phuket. She is planning another of her North Asian tours and she wants to make sure it won't interfere with our reunion plans. She is a GFE super star. That's why I call her my Atomic Blond.
Politics aside (Mr. Jackson refuses to post my entries on this) can anyone tell me what "line" is? Another app? Some of my Thai Cupid contacts are giving me this and I don't know what it is. Thanks.
I got an idea why don't we ET Smoothy yourself and myself meet for an evening get pissed and end up wrecking a go go when the disagreements on Trump get really out of hand, then shake hands and agree to do it all again the next night.I would be up for that. A discussion on politics while gogo dancers are grinding on each of our laps to keep things civil.
OK, I will offer you the same wager I offered you before the 2016 election: I will bet you $1. 00 (a gentleman's wager) that Trump wins the 2020 election and I will offer you an additional $1.00 bet that should Trump win, he wins by a wider margin than he did in 2016.
Now, I really have to go. Atomic Blond is LINE video calling from Phuket. She is planning another of her North Asian tours and she wants to make sure it won't interfere with our reunion plans. She is a GFE super star. That's why I call her my Atomic Blond.Considering there isn't even one decent Democrat candidate out there, I doubt Tooms would want to throw his dollar away like that. That dollar could be used towards purchasing a burger at Big Dogs.
Any photos of the atomic blonde?
OK, I will offer you the same wager I offered you before the 2016 election: I will bet you $1. 00 (a gentleman's wager) that Trump wins the 2020 election and I will offer you an additional $1.00 bet that should Trump win, he wins by a wider margin than he did in 2016.
Now, I really have to go. Atomic Blond is LINE video calling from Phuket. She is planning another of her North Asian tours and she wants to make sure it won't interfere with our reunion plans. She is a GFE super star. That's why I call her my Atomic Blond.Oh, yeah as I recall you wanted to bet that we would see 3%+ annual GDP growth every year or every quarter for a few years or something like that after Trump passed his brilliant (joke) tax bill, right? I would have won money on that bet if I'd taken it. The first and likely best GDP growth year since that deficit-busting legislation was passed, 2018, came in at 2.9%, the same rate we saw in 2015 under Obama and without his adding $2 Trillion+ to the deficit to buy it.
But my reason for not taking the bet then applies to your new proposal; Not interested in betting on election outcomes and things like that. If Trump is appointed president again, how does that prove his results were better than anyone's including Obama's? Obama won twice and with a clear majority of the vote each time. So?
But it's interesting how Trumpsters can never show how his policies' economic results matched much less surpassed those of his predecessor while their guy has spent years telling us how disastrous everybody elses results were but his are the greatest of all time. You would think it would be easy to do that unless their guy has been lying his ass off about those things and his Trumpsters have fallen for it.
Considering there isn't even one decent Democrat candidate out there, I doubt Tooms would want to throw his dollar away like that. That dollar could be used towards purchasing a burger at Big Dogs.
Any photos of the atomic blonde?Hey, I generally get a whole dollar discount on those burgers at Big Dogs with my exclusive membership card! But I harbor a superstition about friendly side bets on important matters like election outcomes and the USA Economy. Better to make serious bets on serious outcomes like that with IRA money and major asset allocation moves.
Jude Bright
08-06-19, 01:50
Politics aside (Mr. Jackson refuses to post my entries on this) can anyone tell me what "line" is? Another app? Some of my Thai Cupid contacts are giving me this and I don't know what it is. Thanks.It is an app that allows you to communicate with each other, much like wechat, very easy to use, better than facebook, you creat you own ID, then you add others as friends, can text, chat, call, and video call as well.
Jb.
Member #4698
08-06-19, 02:30
Politics aside (Mr. Jackson refuses to post my entries on this) can anyone tell me what "line" is? Another app? Some of my Thai Cupid contacts are giving me this and I don't know what it is. Thanks.Yeah, LINE is another communication app for the PC and cell phone. Thai girls are very fond of LINE. Filipinas prefer Viper. Chinese girls like WeChat. If you are planning a trip to Thailand I recommend adding the LINE app to your phone.
https://line.me/en/
Yeah, LINE is another communication app for the PC and cell phone. Thai girls are very fond of LINE. Filipinas prefer Viper. Chinese girls like WeChat. If you are planning a trip to Thailand I recommend adding the LINE app to your phone.
https://line.me/en/Many thanks, Natty and JB.
Things that are attractive to Thais, Americans, and the rest of the world.
1. Wealth is a high part of being attractive.
Seems to be true for Americans and Thais but not for me and not for my country (I guess). How much money a girl had or earned never concerned me.
2. Skin colour. Americans and some other countries love to get tanned. Thais hate it, and most of Asia is trying to have white skin.
Too much sun and too little are both not healthy. I just don't care if the girl is somewhat white or somewhat brown. Maybe don't go for extremes.
3. Surgeries. I read that 17.9% of the world's cosmetic surgeries are in USA. 10% in Brazil. High in Thailand too, but low in my country.
Can this be part of the reason, that obvious unnatural shape surgeries disturb me? Perhaps they are more acceptable to Thais and Americans.
I notice that even porn has a lot of surgeries girls, but I prefer to avoid that unless the surgeries are not very noticeable.
4. Americans are supposedly obsessed with being slim, but the reality is they are more obsessed with junk food and eating too much and antibiotics (upsetting the gut function), too much beer, resulting in, Obesity, Insulin resistance and all the associated diseases. I think their are almost two distinct categories. The normal sized people (with control or lucky metabolism) and the grossly overweight (out of control). In my country there are far more in between people, somewhat overweight to fat, but not so many massively obese (yeh some of course). Thai girls seem to be letting themselves get fat once they are married since many years ago, but these days even the teenage Thai girls are getting fat from bad diets. I am attracted to quite skinny girls ranging to below average size, but not to blubber. Even I could get sex from fat girls in the past, I was not interested. I try to maintain a more healthy diet myself, which means more veg, and low sugar / starch. In 2015 there was a comedy movie "Spy". It was totally cringe worthy for me, because the female lead was not only very fat, but an accident disaster area with zero brain. It seemed unfortunate, in fact so bad, that I could not actually watch it. I greatly preferred Rowan Atkins as a spy and I could watch it. Was it purely that he was skinnier? Maybe there was some other reason, like the script being somewhat less brainless.
It amazes me that Bangkok has successful McDonalds, KFC, Pizza Hut, etc. Not sure why people want to eat such junky food. Thais are also eating a lot noodles with fish balls or beef balls. I don't touch that stuff, nor French Fries etc. I have levels of food control to avoid stacking on the kilos too fast. I like to live longer too, so some control is needed (in my case).
I know others don't find skinny girls at all attractive and particularly want big tits. Indians like voluptuous girls, right? Not for me. I can take big naturals on a slim girl okay Ha ha. Quite rare.
Things that are attractive to Thais, Americans, and the rest of the world.
1. Wealth is a high part of being attractive.
Seems to be true for Americans and Thais but not for me and not for my country (I guess). How much money a girl had or earned never concerned me.
...I don't think the amount of money a girl has is of much interest to American men. I mean, other than guys looking to scam her out of her money. Otherwise, I have never met or talked to an American man who was sexually attracted to a woman because she was rich, if that is what you meant by "being attractive." Of course, that can often be the case with American women being attracted to men because they are wealthy.
Like you, I am surprised how popular McDs, KFC, Pizza Hut, now Taco Bell, etc. are with Thais. I was also struck by how many pastry, bread, donut, cake and cookie shops thrive in Thailand when I moved here several years ago. On my earlier visits 25-30 years ago I don't recall Thais being into that kind of food. About 20 years ago when I met my Thai girlfriend in the USA who then became my wife, she was never interested in desserts and sweets. She said it was not popular in her country, which matched my impression of Thailand at the time. She remained slim all her life and, at 54 years old today, is still slim. Which can not be said for many Thai women of that age here in Thailand these days.
Like you, I am surprised how popular McDs, KFC, Pizza Hut, now Taco Bell, etc. are with Thais. I was also struck by how many pastry, bread, donut, cake and cookie shops thrive in Thailand when I moved here several years ago. On my earlier visits 25-30 years ago I don't recall Thais being into that kind of food. The place that really surprises me is Swensen's ice cream. Those are all over the place and really popular. Even during the big fat free yogurt craze, Swensen's extremely fattening real ice cream was more popular in Thailand.
The place that really surprises me is Swensen's ice cream. Those are all over the place and really popular. Even during the big fat free yogurt craze, Swensen's extremely fattening real ice cream was more popular in Thailand.I found that the true sugar nightmare was found on the ground floor of Icon Siam. Folks with diabetes shouldn't even breathe the air in there. I'm moving out of Thonburi to get away from that place.
Of course, that can often be the case with American women being attracted to men because they are wealthy.Not only American women and not only to wealthy men. Sometimes they are attracted to the social rank, or the power that comes from his rank.
I knew a Thai girl who told me that the prince of Dubai is very handsome. She then told me that there are hundreds of girls that are queuing to become his GF, and finally that I don't understand which guy is handsome from a woman's perspective.
Like you, I am surprised how popular McDs, KFC, Pizza Hut, now Taco Bell, etc. are with Thais.They probably still don't realise these products are very low quality foods and most of the Thais I've known that use these products go their only once in a while for a change.
Member #4698
08-07-19, 03:03
The place that really surprises me is Swensen's ice cream. Those are all over the place and really popular. Even during the big fat free yogurt craze, Swensen's extremely fattening real ice cream was more popular in Thailand.Swensen's is pretty good and Cold Stone Creamery is another purveyor that is not too shabby. I like Cold Creamery's Chocolate Peanut Butter flavor. I had a scoop of it in Glorietta 3, Makati recently. Ha Ha. But have you ever tried Godiva soft Chocolate Ice Cream? HOLY MOTHER OF GOD! I have never tasted a richer, more decadent chocolate ice cream. The sugar/calorie content must be thru the roof, but it is the best tasting ice cream in the world, IMHO. LOL. Sadly or maybe fortunately, it is not sold in Godiva Chocolate stores in the USA as far as I know. So I have only found two Godiva Stores; one in Macau opposite the Grand Emperor Hotel and the other one in Jakarta in the Plaza Indonesia ground floor, that sell this ice cream. I don't usually go on and on about ice cream. I like it on somewhat rare occasions as much as the next guy or gal to satisfy a sugar craving, it's no big deal, but this Godiva stuff is truly something else and it is very addictive. Give it a taste next time you are in Plaza Indonesia and you will know what I mean.
P.S. I liked your recent report on Ruth Chris Steak House. I know a great one about 5 miles from my home in Florida, but not all Ruth Chris restaurants are good. That is why I took note of your recent post.
have you ever tried Godiva soft Chocolate Ice Cream? HOLY MOTHER OF GOD! I have never tasted a richer, more decadent chocolate ice cream. The sugar/calorie content must be thru the roof, but it is the best tasting ice cream in the world, IMHO. LOL. Sadly or maybe fortunately, it is not sold in Godiva Chocolate stores in the USA as far as I know. So I have only found two Godiva Stores; one in Macau opposite the Grand Emperor Hotel and the other one in Jakarta in the Plaza Indonesia ground floor, that sell this ice cream. I don't usually go on and on about ice cream. I like it occasionally as much as the next guy or gal, it's no big deal, but this Godiva stuff is truly something else and it is very addictive. Give it a taste next time you are in Jakarta and you will know what I mean.
P.S. I liked your recent report on the Ruth Chris Steak house. I know a great one about 5 miles from my home in Florida, but not all Ruth Chris restaurants are great. That is why I took note of your recent post.My niece's first job ever was working at the mall at a Godiva chocolate shop. She got a big discount, so, yes, I have tried the ice cream and every chocolate in the place. LOL. I used to get the milkshake there with that ice cream. Delicious.
Take the Jakarta Ruth's Chris post cautiously. This last visit last week it was absolutely great, the time before that a year ago it was not.
But have you ever tried Godiva soft Chocolate Ice Cream? HOLY MOTHER OF GOD! I have never tasted a richer, more decadent chocolate ice cream. The sugar/calorie content must be thru the roof, but it is the best tasting ice cream in the world, IMHO. LOL. Sadly or maybe fortunately, it is not sold in Godiva Chocolate stores in the USA as far as I know. So I have only found two Godiva Stores; one in Macau opposite the Grand Emperor Hotel and the other one in Jakarta in the Plaza Indonesia ground floor, that sell this ice cream. I don't usually go on and on about ice cream. I like it on somewhat rare occasions as much as the next guy or gal to satisfy a sugar craving, it's no big deal, but this Godiva stuff is truly something else and it is very addictive. Give it a taste next time you are in Plaza Indonesia and you will know what I mean. There is a Godiva store in China where I live, I haven't been into it but now I'll go and see if they have ice cream. Otherwise I'll be in Macau on Saturday so I'll give it a try.
Franciscass
08-07-19, 06:22
Swensen's is pretty good and Cold Stone Creamery is another purveyor that is not too shabby. I like Cold Creamery's Chocolate Peanut Butter flavor. I had a scoop of it in Glorietta 3, Makati recently. Ha Ha. But have you ever tried Godiva soft Chocolate Ice Cream? HOLY MOTHER OF GOD! I have never tasted a richer, more decadent chocolate ice cream. The sugar/calorie content must be thru the roof, but it is the best tasting ice cream in the world, IMHO. LOL. Sadly or maybe fortunately, it is not sold in Godiva Chocolate stores in the USA as far as I know. So I have only found two Godiva Stores; one in Macau opposite the Grand Emperor Hotel and the other one in Jakarta in the Plaza Indonesia ground floor, that sell this ice cream. I don't usually go on and on about ice cream. I like it on somewhat rare occasions as much as the next guy or gal to satisfy a sugar craving, it's no big deal, but this Godiva stuff is truly something else and it is very addictive. Give it a taste next time you are in Plaza Indonesia and you will know what I mean.
P.S. I liked your recent report on Ruth Chris Steak House. I know a great one about 5 miles from my home in Florida, but not all Ruth Chris restaurants are good. That is why I took note of your recent post.There was a Godiva branch in Central world now moved to Central Chit Lom. May also be one in Paragon. No better scoop if you are a chocoholic. Not an ice cream treat but another excellent Belgium chocolate at The Duc De Praslin RSU Tower Soi 31.
Franciscass
08-07-19, 07:28
As I see it, some interesting situations for the risk takers among us. Need an offshore account to execute.
Take 2.6 on the exchanges on a no deal Brexit in 2019 hedged with shorting the pound against the Swissie. On current December '19 contract pricing it should give a 10% return assuming a 5% move either way.
A little further out Trump is evens to get reelected and a position on the dollar against the yen assuming a similar 5% shift should yield similar returns.
Member #4698
08-07-19, 12:27
I got an idea why don't we ET Smoothy yourself and myself meet for an evening get pissed and end up wrecking a go go when the disagreements on Trump get really out of hand, then shake hands and agree to do it all again the next night.Leave out the politics and you can count me in.
Franciscass
08-07-19, 15:21
Leave out the politics and you can count me in.OK but can we still wreck the go go.
Just curious if any of you guys have flown Nok Airlines and if so did you hit on the infamous stewardesses and have any luck. I'm flying Nok DMK (Bangkok) to HKT (Phuket) next month for that expressed purpose. Nok Nok. Who's there?
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The following quote is from the Washington Post, not exactly a pro Trump news outfit; " President Obama is the only president since Herbert Hoover to not have guided the US economy to 3 percent growth in any year he was in office." That was Obama's new normal in a nutshell. The weakest economic recovery since WW 2.I must have missed this added comment earlier.
First of all, Obama was the first president challenged with recovering an economy that was the worst decline SINCE (R) Herbert Hoover's disastrous Great Depression contributions.
Second, Trump has not yet produced or presided over a better than 2.9% GDP growth year either and likely never will. Particularly since Trump's front loaded spending of $2 Trillion+ to buy one has already shot its wad and failed to do so. And it is doubtful any Congress will give him the go ahead to make that mistake again unless the spending looks a whole lot like a Dem infrastructure expenditure and nothing like another Repub Supply-Side/Trickle-Down waste of serious money.
Third, I love that oft repeated criticism of Obama's historic (and still somewhat ongoing) economic recovery. Especially from seemingly anti Dem, pro Repub folks. LOL. So HIS latest Dem economic recovery from the latest Great Repub Depression/Recession was not nearly as strong and fast as all the previous Dem economic recoveries from all the previous Great Repub Depressions/Recessions, huh?
Really? That's the big criticism of it considering this time and for the first time ever the Congressional Repubs vowed on Obama's first inauguration night in the midst of the Niagara Falls plunge in that latest Great Repub Depression/Recession to remain as unified as possible in blocking, thwarting and slow-walking his and the other Dems' every effort to pull the country out of it?
For shame, for shame. What is the consistent, historical, century-long pattern of Dem economic recoveries from Great Repub Depressions/Recessions coming to! Lol.
Yet he and the Dems still managed to produce another remarkable Dem economic recovery from another Great Repub Depression/Recession anyway. Damn, that really rankled the Congressional Repubs and Repubs in general, didn't it?
Btw, in another example of lazy Main Stream and financial media, I see those charts appear to credit those particular upticks to the November 2016 election result. But I see no mention that a 2.3% GDP growth rate for 2017 was already projected by the Congressional Budget Office months before that election and on the assumption that no new major economic law or legislation would be passed. Which is exactly what happened in 2017; no new major economic legislation was passed until the last week of the year and the U.S. economy was therefore still moving on the economic legislation that was in place prior to the election.
With Trump's magnificent presence in the White House? Oops. It looks like 2017 came in UNDER the CBO's already (made in early/mid 2016) projected 2.3% GDP growth rate for 2017 and came in at 2.2% instead. Another UNDER performance from the economy handed to him for Trump.
Let's face it, if anyone is complaining about the current US economy under the Trump admin, they are just anti Trump politically.
John Clayton
08-08-19, 05:05
Let's face it, if anyone is complaining about the current US economy under the Trump admin, they are just anti Trump politically.Dude, look at the long / short term US bond yield curve. Just sayin'. However, this discussion doesn't belong in this thread.
Let's face it, if anyone is complaining about the current US economy under the Trump admin, they are just anti Trump politically.I'm not complaining about it in general. It just isn't as good on almost any important economic measure as the economy Obama produced, presided over and handed Trump on January 20, 2017. Or as good as any number of Dem administrations before him. So he ought to just take it and STFU about how all of their results were crap but his are "the greatest ever." When someone does that, they are de facto discouraging superior economic policy and stewardship in the future and encouraging crappy economic policy and stewardship instead. "Hey, let's do more of this dumb thing I did that cost and wasted a ton of money and under performed what came before! MAGA!" That is a problem that ought to be pointed out early and often.
I don't see a classic, patented Great Repub Depression/Recession on the near horizon. Yet. Although Trump is certainly doing his best to trigger one with his trade war and tariff taxes on the American consumer.
Dude, look at the long / short term US bond yield curve. Just sayin'. However, this discussion doesn't belong in this thread.Who said this discussion doesn't belong in this thread? I mean, unless Smoothy's post and yours were just now moved from another thread to this one, which I haven't seen was the case unless I missed it.
Admin moved these discussions to this thread. So I'm guessing they do belong here.
John Clayton
08-08-19, 07:17
Who said this discussion doesn't belong in this thread? I mean, unless Smoothy's post and yours were just now moved from another thread to this one, which I haven't seen was the case unless I missed it.
Admin moved these discussions to this thread. So I'm guessing they do belong here.Are Smoothy and Eihtooms the same person? I have noticed Eihtooms is backwards Smoothie. Thank you in advance, and sincerely Notyalc Nhoj.
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Btw, in another example of lazy Main Stream and financial media, I see those charts appear to credit those particular upticks to the November 2016 election result. But I see no mention that a 2.3% GDP growth rate for 2017 was already projected by the Congressional Budget Office months before that election and on the assumption that no new major economic law or legislation would be passed. Which is exactly what happened in 2017; no new major economic legislation was passed until the last week of the year and the U.S. economy was therefore still moving on the economic legislation that was in place prior to the election.
With Trump's magnificent presence in the White House? Oops. It looks like 2017 came in UNDER the CBO's already (made in early/mid 2016) projected 2.3% GDP growth rate for 2017 and came in at 2.2% instead. Another UNDER performance from the economy handed to him for Trump.I like to correct the numbers if my memory is off by much. So, for those who might not even know periodic non partisan Congressional Budget Office economic projections are "a thing", these are good sources to know about:
An Update to the Budget and Economic Outlook: 2016 to 2026
August 23, 2016
https://www.cbo.gov/publication/51908
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Economic Growth
In real terms (that is, with adjustments to exclude the effects of inflation), GDP rose at an annual rate of 1.0 percent in the first half of calendar year 2016. However, CBO expects that the economy will expand more rapidly in the coming months, with GDP growing by 2.0 percent over the whole of 2016 and by 2.4 percent in 2017 mainly because the major forces restraining the growth of investment, such as a decline in oil prices, have begun to subside (see figure below). Economic growth is expected to slow in 2018 and fall below but remain close to the growth of potential (maximum sustainable) GDP in 2019 and 2020. Most of the growth in output during the coming years will be driven by consumers, businesses, and home builders, CBO anticipates.Mind you, these projections can only be done on the assumption that no new law or economic legislation is passed in the interim. Once a new, major economic law is passed, all projections change accordingly.
So, in August 2016, months before the November election, the projection was for a 2.4% Real Growth rate in GDP for 2017. Since Trump spent that entire first year doing nothing but playing golf, thinking up insulting nicknames for his critics, tweeting hateful, divisive directives to his slavish supporters and eating buckets of KFC at Midnight (similar to his second and third year so far), no new economic legislation was passed until the last week of 2017.
Actually, even though there is no chance in the world Trump knew these kinds of routine, periodic and largely accurate projections by the CBO were "a thing", I have no doubt that Moscow Mitch McConnell, the Repub Senate Majority Leader, knew all about them. Therefore, it was probably his idea to slow-walk and delay any economic legislation on the table to be passed by them until AFTER they locked in that projected 2.4% Growth rate for that first year of the Trump presidency that was already handed to them by Obama since it was quite likely to be higher and less costly than anything his Majority and Trump could produce anyway. And they could then take credit for it as far as low information voters were concerned.
Eventually, this was the actual Real GDP Growth rate for 2017:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Real+GDP+growth+for+the+USA +economy+for+2017&oq=Real+GDP+growth+for+the+USA +economy+for+2017+&aqs=chrome. 69 i57.22429 j1 j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8.
2.3% annual change (2017)I just wanted to correct my earlier memory of 2017's Real GDP Growth Rate coming in at 2.2% under Trump's nothingness that year vs the 2.3% that was projected by the CBO long before the election. The actual numbers were that it came in at 2.3% Real Growth vs the projected 2.4%. And I thought it might be useful for everyone here to know those kinds of projections exist.
It just isn't as good on almost any important economic measure Bullshit. My wallet is fatter due to Trump's tax plan. That's the most important to me economically. (and the stock market is still soaring, so what's to complain about these days? nothing)
I paid 3,000 usd less tax this past year under Trump's tax plan than I did with Obama's. That's 3 grand more I can spend. Bottom line.
Bullshit. My wallet is fatter due to Trump's tax plan. That's the most important to me economically. (and the stock market is still soaring, so what's to complain about these days? nothing)
I paid 3,000 usd less tax this past year under Trump's tax plan than I did with Obama's. That's 3 grand more I can spend. Bottom line.That would be the bottom line to most tax payers. 47%ers did not get a tax cut. I will agree that things are getting done, crass mouth and all.
Bullshit. My wallet is fatter due to Trump's tax plan. That's the most important to me economically. (and the stock market is still soaring, so what's to complain about these days? nothing)
I paid 3,000 usd less tax this past year under Trump's tax plan than I did with Obama's. That's 3 grand more I can spend. Bottom line.Anecdotal only. That is simply not reflected in the general economic data. The stock market is not "soaring". Unless by "soaring", you mean making smaller average percentage gains per year under Trump than Obama's average annual gains even if you apply the deep losses in the market he inherited from Bush.
A poorly trained chimp could have put an extra $3,000 in your income tax returns with a massive tax cut. Massive tax cuts are NOT the same as "economic results."
That would be the bottom line to most tax payers. 47%ers did not get a tax cut. I will agree that things are getting done, crass mouth and all.The problem with anecdotal testimonials is I could say I paid about $900 less in taxes for last year than the year before, but my property values dropped about $60,000 as well. Then I ought to be on this thread shouting that Trump's economy has been a total disaster, an utter failure, run for your lives! But I know my case is merely anecdotal and not reflected in the general economy. Although I suspect there is a lot more of that kind of trade-off happening than Trump supporters are willing to admit.
See how the incomes of farmers have been doing in the Trump economy. He's cutting them welfare checks to make up for their deep losses thanks to his trade war. The "cash gift" from that tax bill was so minor and went so unnoticed across the country, Trump in a panic suddenly announced a non-existent "Middle Class Tax Cut!" would be enacted in the two weeks before the 2018 mid-term elections in hopes of reducing the thumpin' he and his party got. Which of course never happened since Congress wasn't even in session anymore at that point in time. That "Middle Class Tax Cut!" still hasn't happened AFTER those mid-term elections either. lol.
A "soaring" stock market? The USA Stock market as measured by the S&P 500 Index is up only 27% since Trump took office. Divided by 2.6 years, that produces an annualized return of 10.38%, no more than the average annual return the USA Stock market has produced since that measure started being taken back in 1926. And it is notably less than the 22.75% per year average annual gain logged in under Obama from the day he took office until Trump took over. And, yep, that is even when you apply those deep losses in the market for the first couple of months to him and not to Bush. Which isn't even fair to Obama's economic record.
I'd happily trade my $900 reduction in taxes and anybody else's $3000 reduction in taxes for an annual average 22.75% increase in my stock portfolio over the past couple of years instead of a measly 10.38%. Trust me, that's worth a LOT more to me than $3,000 or even many times that amount. Not even counting the property value losses.
Franciscass
08-09-19, 04:32
For anybody interested, my experience Thursday last getting extension of temporary stay based on retirement at Chang Wattana.
Background. I have lived in the same apartment I purchased some 20 years back. For a period I wasn't here all year round and got by on extensions, visa runs and broker's services. When I hit 50 I got a retirement visa extending it yearly since.
For the first time ever today the TM 30 was required. Even as an owner it's required. Anticipating the possibility had all the docs with me, title and accompanying paperwork. Got the TM 30 but paid 800 baht fine because I hadn't filed it within 24 of moving in all those 20 years ago. I kid you not. Judging by the number of 800 bahts they were raking in its a huge huge earner.
My advice. Make sure you have a copy of notification of filing TM 30 from the owner if you are renting. If it's your pad and you haven't filed bring the docs and you can file on the spot. Counter G. Extremely busy. Bring a book or whatever gets you through boredom.
Speed of service, all told 6 hours including reentry permit. 10 30 to 4 30 with a lunch break from 12 to 1.
Franciscass
08-09-19, 05:26
Bullshit. My wallet is fatter due to Trump's tax plan. That's the most important to me economically. (and the stock market is still soaring, so what's to complain about these days? nothing)
I paid 3,000 usd less tax this past year under Trump's tax plan than I did with Obama's. That's 3 grand more I can spend. Bottom line.Smoothy old chap a 3000 cut means you were already doing more than ok not necessarily in the top 1% but definitely not short of coin to meet your needs.
The problem with the tax cut as has been explained ad nauseam was it had minimal effect on the majority of Americans as most of it was directed at corporations and the top 20% of taxpayers who were already doing just fine under loopholes such as the earned interest tax credit.
Supply side economics argues tax cuts more than pay for themselves. Lots of economists question this theory. It's complicated and depends on how the cuts are distributed but what is not in doubt is that the Trump cuts after a initial sugar high have done little for demand (other than Smoothy spending all of his 3 K) but has had a negative impact on Debt to GDP which is heading towards 110%.
I don't hate anybody but denigrating people as Trump haters as if this is somehow a mental abnormality always amuses me. Of course there are people who hate Trump and what he stands for. They value compassion, honesty, tolerance and inclusiveness. To be honest for me it's the Trump lovers who need to examine their values.
Admin moved these discussions to this thread. So I'm guessing they do belong here.Trump and tax are very uninteresting to non Americans like me I guess. However yeh these posts have to go somewhere, for us to skip reading them.
Trump and tax are very uninteresting to non Americans like me I guess. However yeh these posts have to go somewhere, for us to skip reading them.You and anyone else who finds those topics very uninteresting and skip reading them can also skip commenting on them. Really. We won't miss it.
Member #4698
08-09-19, 13:10
As the attached chart clearly shows, Obama's economic recovery was the weakest in the last 75 years or longer. One of the things I really dislike about Obama is that by 2010 HE KNEW HIS ECONOMIC POLICIES WERE NOT WORKING ie the recovery was not as robust as it should have been/could have been and instead of listening to his honest critics that he should lighten up on his government economic restrictions (executive orders) and lower the cost of investment in the private sector, Obama doubled down on his neo Keynesian policies and he began to play the race card in order to stay in office. IMHO he is a very bad man although I admit that he is also a very shrewd master politician. The fanatical left wing group think insanity that we see among all the Democratic politicians running for President in America today owe a lot to President Obama's successful tactic of divide and conquer along racial & ethnic lines, although none of them measure up to his political abilities.
As the attached chart clearly shows, Obama's economic recovery was the weakest in the last 75 years or longer. One of the things I really dislike about Obama is that by 2010 HE KNEW HIS ECONOMIC POLICIES WERE NOT WORKING ie the recovery was not as robust as it should have been/could have been and instead of listening to his honest critics that he should lighten up on his government economic restrictions (executive orders) and lower the cost of investment in the private sector, Obama doubled down on his neo Keynesian policies and he began to play the race card in order to stay in office. IMHO he is a very bad man although I admit that he is also a very shrewd master politician. The fanatical left wing group think insanity that we see among all the Democratic politicians running for President in America today owe a lot to President Obama's successful tactic of divide and conquer along racial & ethnic lines, although none of them measure up to his political abilities.You forget that most of the time Obama was dealing with a Republican Congress that basically opposed him on every economic measure he wanted to take. Trump handed out a huge tax break for the rich and it lasted a whole 12 months. Now growth is back to 2% with many indicators pointing to recession. No rational person would think that you should be expanding deficits when employment is high and you are getting sustained growth. This is a guy who sent 6 companies to bankruptcy, defrauded thousands of contractors and consumers and only stayed solvent through tax evasion and money laundering. Trump is toxic, just look at the Staff turnover and what they say about him.
As the attached chart clearly shows, Obama's economic recovery was the weakest in the last 75 years or longer. One of the things I really dislike about Obama is that by 2010 HE KNEW HIS ECONOMIC POLICIES WERE NOT WORKING ie the recovery was not as robust as it should have been/could have been and instead of listening to his honest critics that he should lighten up on his government economic restrictions (executive orders) and lower the cost of investment in the private sector, Obama doubled down on his neo Keynesian policies and he began to play the race card in order to stay in office. IMHO he is a very bad man although I admit that he is also a very shrewd master politician. The fanatical left wing group think insanity that we see among all the Democratic politicians running for President in America today owe a lot to President Obama's successful tactic of divide and conquer along racial & ethnic lines, although none of them measure up to his political abilities.Surely you are not suggesting that the only spectacular recovery from the three Great Republican Depressions/Recessions cited on that chart (1933,1982 and 2009), the one stewarded by FDR and his overwhelmingly Dem Majority House and Senate beginning in 1933 (the other two are not even significantly different from each other by comparison), should have been the model Obama followed for his recovery from a Great Republican Depression/Recession.
Good lord. FDR was gifted by the 1932 electorate with a huge Dem Majority in the House and at one point as many as 75 actual Dems in the Senate out of a possible 96 Senate seats beginning in 1933. That was a total turnaround in Party control after 10 years of across the board Republican rule in the federal government bent on driving us into that colossal Depression.
And at that time they had been using the same "brilliant" Republican economic philosophy and agenda they applied in 1981-1982 and 2001-2008, requiring those historic Dem recoveries as well. Oh, and the same ones Trump and his fellow Republicans are applying to the economy right now, BTW.
Obama never had a single hour of a single day as president with 60 real Dems in the Senate, the minimum Senate votes required to produce a cloture vote to even put a proposal and bill on the table for consideration. That being the case and considering the Repubs had decided there was something "different" about this particular middle aged Christian male in the White House (gee, I wonder what that could have been?) that gave them licence with their base to block, thwart and slow-walk his and the Dems every effort to pull us out of it, Obama's recovery from that particular Great Repub Depression/Recession was more impressive than FDR's.
After all, in addition to his massive advantage in having that overwhelming Dem Majority Congress, especially in the Senate, FDR didn't come into office on day one to tackle and recover us from that Great Repub Depression while we were also waging 3 poorly managed quagmire wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and against something amorphous and potentially worldwide by the name of "terror".
Franciscass
08-14-19, 15:39
Over 15 trillion in negative yielding bonds, an inverted yield curve and record low thirty years. It has to signify something.
Even Trump is getting the wind up and backing down on the scale of tariffs on Chinese imports under the laughable guise of not wanting to be the grinch that spoiled Christmas.
What's all this got to with the price of a shag? Nothing I guess but who knows.
My gut tells me while those at the high end are still doing fine it's getting tougher for most girls to make a living.
A recent visit to Cowboy makes me feel business is way down.
As we know the normal supply and demand principle affecting price doesn't necessarily follow in Thailand's P4P.
Quite the opposite.
Fewer punters, no problem, increase margins by jacking up the prices.
Well maybe not going to work this time.
Over 15 trillion in negative yielding bonds, an inverted yield curve and record low thirty years. It has to signify something.
Even Trump is getting the wind up and backing down on the scale of tariffs on Chinese imports under the laughable guise of not wanting to be the grinch that spoiled Christmas.
...Explaining his cave on initiating those tariffs, in the course of one minute he suggested he did not want to make it tough for American consumers during the Christmas season AND repeated a favorite lie about how great it is that the $60 Billion added to America's coffers from the tariff taxes so far was put there by China and not the American consumer.
Huh?
B-B-But if China is the one paying the tariff taxes instead of American consumers, wouldn't it be a wonderful Christmas gift FOR Americans to initiate those tariffs ASAP? Hey, I'd be happy with another $60 Billion added to America's coffers by China. Why not? Unless, oh no, it turns out that isn't how it would get there after all.
Either he hasn't got a clue what he is talking about or he is certain his supporters would never have a clue what he is talking about. Or both.
Beijing4987
08-14-19, 19:40
Check out the new book, "Koch Land" by Christopher Leonard. Koch's are not fans of Fat Nixon, mostly on ideological grounds. Still, they are getting over 90% of their economic just desserts.
Franciscass
08-15-19, 03:47
Either he hasn't got a clue what he is talking about or he is certain his supporters would never have a clue what he is talking about. Or both.The Donald is smart enough to know using the red meat of fearing immigrants to rally his base is not going to be enough to get him reelected. He is smart enough to know it requires a continuation of the good economy he inherited to get him another 4 years. Mnuchin and Kudlow have most likely told him there are storm clouds on the horizon. Because he notoriously hates getting bad news I can picture a scene when as soon as they mentioned this to him they ran out of the room. So he is already preparing to find a boogey man to blame for the negative consequences of his trade wars in the form of Fed chair Powell. It's a standard sometimes successful play, take credit for everything good but find somebody to point the finger at when it goes belly up. Problem this time round is anybody with half a brain knows what's really happening and who is to blame. Watch for some wacky moves in the months ahead if the economy starts to slow.
Have any of you wealthier mongers bought your girlfriend a silicone enhancement? I have a GF in PI with #36 C that might be interested in upgraded bolt-ons. Details appreciated.
... So he is already preparing to find a boogey man to blame for the negative consequences of his trade wars in the form of Fed chair Powell. It's a standard sometimes successful play, take credit for everything good but find somebody to point the finger at when it goes belly up. Problem this time round is anybody with half a brain knows what's really happening and who is to blame. Watch for some wacky moves in the months ahead if the economy starts to slow.About five years before he became president, Trump took out hundreds of millions of dollars in variable rate loans from the only bank on Earth that would lend him a penny due to his many business failures and deadbeat history of not paying back loans, Deutsche Bank. That means when Powell raises the Fed Funds Rate, his loan liability goes up and he has to pay millions more but when Powell lowers the rate his loan liability goes down and he saves millions. Where America has put itself in a real bind with Trump in this regard is the Fed (Powell) raises rates when the economy is doing well and lowers them when the economy is behaving poorly and needs a boost.
Powell is Trump's enemy whenever he appears to be ready to raise the Fed Funds Rate a tad. And he is apt to do that if or when the USA economy looks like it is steadily improving.
Connecting the dots here isn't exactly rocket science. Well, maybe it is to Trump supporters.
The challenge Trump faces every day is what kind of counterproductive legislation proposal, idiotic trade war move, ignorant tariff assertion or whimsical silly statement can he make this hour of this day that could drive down the USA economy, cause Powell to lower the Fed Funds Rate and thereby save him millions of dollars on those huge loans of he took out a few years back.
How his doing that might effect his chances of re-election is somewhat irrelevant. He has never been interested in expanding his support beyond his base and his base is not going anywhere. They have apparently begun to love out of control skyrocketing deficits and taken a genuine liking to underperformance vs Obama on virtually every important economic and policy metric they used to enjoy slamming Obama over; jobs creation, stock market gains, housing value gains, manufacturing sector expansion, trade and corporate profits, border control, foreign relations, national security, etc.
Franciscass
08-30-19, 09:35
About five years before he became president, Trump took out hundreds of millions of dollars in variable rate loans .I hadn't known interest on his loans were variable, usually for developers it's fixed. It does cast a new light though on why he accuses Powell who incidentally he appointed to the Fed as the enemy of the country.
One thing I am in no doubt of he is still running Trump Incorporated as dumb and dumber couldn't organize an orgy in Nana.
It's almost impossible to imagine Americans would want 4 more years of a narcissistic deranged demigod but the odds on him being reelected are actually 50/50.
This is mostly down I believe to the continuation of the good economy he inherited and his heightening fear and loathing of immigrants and minorities among most of his base (Smoothy being an exception) that gives them an excuse for their sad unhappy lives. .
It's also a reflection of the lack of a Democrat who broad popular appeal.
Joe will get eaten alive in the debates and Warren will be handicapped by the cost of her Medicare for all. Bernie is a one trick millionaires and billionaires pony and Harris doesn't seem to be able to gain traction after her lackluster performance during the last debate.
November 3rd '20 will be a defining moment in showing the world what the US stands for.
Member #4698
08-30-19, 16:24
More divisive American political claptrap in the Thai Lounge that has nothing to do with Thailand or girls. Why does the ISG allow this? After being a member since 2008, I am strongly considering dropping this web site. All I read here is negative shit about Thailand being too expensive from guys who can't afford it anymore, bull shit about Thai girls (PI girls too) not being any good anymore, and the political hate Trump crap. I used to enjoy reading this web site in the morning knowing it would have interesting and informative posts. Obviously the ISG is not what it used to be ie an informative web site dedicated to the world wide pursuit of girls. Nowadays I rarely find anything worth reading here. And that really is too bad.
P.S. I know I am not the only one who feels this way.
More divisive American political claptrap in the Thai Lounge that has nothing to do with Thailand or girls. Why does the ISG allow this? After being a member since 2008, I am strongly considering dropping this web site. All I read here is negative shit about Thailand being too expensive from guys who can't afford it anymore, bull shit about Thai girls (PI girls too) not being any good anymore, and the political hate Trump crap. I used to enjoy reading this web site in the morning knowing it would have interesting and informative posts. Obviously the ISG is not what it used to be ie an informative web site dedicated to the world wide pursuit of girls. Nowadays I rarely find anything worth reading here. And that really is too bad.
P.S. I know I am not the only one who feels this way.Strongly agree with you Natty. Especially about the USA Election. Many posters here are not American and don't care about it. The vitriol from both the Trumpers and socialistas is completely out of hand. I'm hoping these forums will be an escape from that stuff.
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Joe will get eaten alive in the debates and Warren will be handicapped by the cost of her Medicare for all. Bernie is a one trick millionaires and billionaires pony and Harris doesn't seem to be able to gain traction after her lackluster performance during the last debate.
November 3rd '20 will be a defining moment in showing the world what the US stands for.Why would you say Biden will get eaten alive in the debates? Against Trump? According to the polls conducted by Gallup, Fox, NBC, CNN, Politico, YouGov and Public Policy Polling, Trump didn't win any of his debates against Hillary Clinton by anywhere from a 5 to 40-point margin. It's just that debates don't matter all that much.
BTW, some of you Thai punters might start caring and paying attention to these things. Not only does Trump's trade war and "horse in a hospital" approach to global economics threaten many more countries than just the USA, several manufacturers are looking at Thailand as an alternative location for their factories should the Trumped up situation with China become too complicated. And if you don't think that will negatively effect the lifespan of go-go bars and brothels as we have known them for the past several decades, then you don't know how some of these international conglomerates like to perform their "civic responsibility" to close down as many of those as possible in order to give young girls fewer options than to work in their sweatshops 16 hours a day, 7 days a week.
More divisive American political claptrap in the Thai Lounge that has nothing to do with Thailand or girls. Why does the ISG allow this? After being a member since 2008, I am strongly considering dropping this web site. All I read here is negative shit about Thailand being too expensive from guys who can't afford it anymore, bull shit about Thai girls (PI girls too) not being any good anymore, and the political hate Trump crap. I used to enjoy reading this web site in the morning knowing it would have interesting and informative posts. Obviously the ISG is not what it used to be ie an informative web site dedicated to the world wide pursuit of girls. Nowadays I rarely find anything worth reading here. And that really is too bad.
P.S. I know I am not the only one who feels this way.I totally agree. Add long-winded boring posts about people's personal taste in girls, and the way it was 20 years ago and how Nat was better than Nit. There is very little information to help newbies anymore and that's sad. And then when you add all the snide comments about President Trump, it's ridiculous. Especially when 90% of the stuff is based on press reports which are totally worthless. And top it off when you make a factual report, you got all sorts of experts questioning it, probably guys that don't even live here or haven't been here in 10 years.
But to follow up on your post, I personally think that any political discussions should be banned. It's just an excuse for some Euros to bash the US anyway.
Franciscass
08-31-19, 02:25
Why would you say Biden will get eaten alive in the debates? Against Trump? According to the polls conducted by Gallup, Fox, NBC, CNN, Politico, YouGov and Public Policy Polling, Trump didn't win any of his debates against Hillary Clinton by anywhere from a 5 to 40-point margin. It's just that debates don't matter all that much.
BTW, some of you Thai punters might start caring and paying attention to these things. Not only does Trump's trade war and "horse in a hospital" approach to global economics threaten many more countries than just the USA, several manufacturers are looking at Thailand as an alternative location for their factories should the Trumped up situation with China become too complicated. And if you don't think that will negatively effect the lifespan of go-go bars and brothels as we have known them for the past several decades, then you don't know how some of these international conglomerates like to perform their "civic responsibility" to close down as many of those as possible in order to give young girls fewer options than to work in their sweatshops 16 hours a day, 7 days a week.Looks like our conversation has touched a nerve with some folk who are happy to chat about all sorts of non P4P [Deleted by Admin]. My advice to these sensitive souls, take a deep breath try to calm down or simply use the ignore button.
OK, do the debates matter? Its complicated but I feel they do. Question is to what extent. Agreed Trump lost the debates on nationwide polling but don't forget he also lost the popular vote by 3 million. But where it mattered in states such as Florida Pennsylvania Michigan and Ohio where he won by small margins I feel that what he represented during the debates and his overarching message of demonizing immigrants got him elected. On a historical note it is now commonly accepted Nixon lost to Kennedy because of the sweating 5 o'clock shadow visual he portrayed on TV.
Your other point on Trump's trade war affecting the P4P scene in Thailand, that's a stretch ET.
... And then when you add all the snide comments about President Trump, it's ridiculous. Especially when 90% of the stuff is based on press reports which are totally worthless. And top it off when you make a factual report, you got all sorts of experts questioning it, probably guys that don't even live here or haven't been here in 10 years.
...Just to make sure nobody thinks my assertions land among your estimated "90%", I will post this link:
'Refugees' of Trump's trade war are scrambling to move business to Vietnam and Thailand as China tariffs hit hard
https://www.businessinsider.com/r-supply-chain-reaction-trade-war-refugees-race-to-relocate-to-vietnam-thailand-2018-11
-Companies are moving supply networks and production from China to other Far East nations as a direct result of President Trump's trade war.
-Industry experts say the movement is the biggest shift in cross-border supply chains since China joined the World Trade Organisation in 2001.
-The scramble is driven by the risk of more, and higher, U.S. tariffs on China, and fears that nearby emerging economies can only accommodate new businesses on a "first come, first served" basis.
...In Thailand, SVI Pcl , which provides electronics and manufacturing solutions, said it has just selected four new deals worth about $100 million with existing customers who have operations in China.
"The trade war is good for us," CEO Pongsak Lothongkam said. "We have been approached by so many companies that we have to prioritize."
I would not consider Business Insider to be a worthless press outfit.
If Trump "wins" his trade war with China this way, I don't know of a scenario where a dozen more mega factories popping up in Isaan increases the number of hot, young Thai girls coming to Bangkok or Pattaya to work in go-go bars, massage shops, soapies, in a club, on the street or to share a lower Sukhumvit area room with 2 others and work the dating site FL scene.
Even if the factories hire their dads, brothers, boyfriends or husbands and not them, the girls will have a very good reason not to move away from their families or babies to make a living the old fashioned way most of us visit or live in Thailand to patronize.
This is more of a "Thai P4P" topic than some of you guys realize. It might be the most important P4P-related topic on any Thai thread. It certainly qualifies as local Thai politics and business as it affects the P4P scene.
Where did you guys think those factories would go when they left China? Nebraska, Australia, U.K., Germany, France, Norway? Nope.
MarquisdeSade1
08-31-19, 20:28
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/30/opinion/trump-china-trade-war.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
Tropical Cyclones Podun and Katiji followed in quick succession last few days and caused significant flooding of low lying farm lands, and river overflows. Roads damaged in several provinces.
Sukothai in the north, through to Nakhorn Panom in the East (home of many Tulip girls), through to Ubon in the NE.
Tulip girls best be working in Bangkok, rather than having water problems back on the farm.
I have had to wade through flood waters myself, fortunately below crotch level. Floods went down almost a foot today, where I passed, but waters could be coming from more northern provinces in following days. The flood gates get opened as they say.
Now a big cyclone LingLing heads towards Korea.
Thailand rains should be more moderate the next few days.
The following weather link is good for Thai speakers (only):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hkJKB8YaVg
"There could be more upward pressure if firms relocate production to Thailand to skirt US tariffs on China-made products, according to Fukaya."
Surging Thai Baht Shatters Expat Dreams of Easy Retirement.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-03/thailand-s-surging-baht-shatters-expat-dreams-of-easy-retirement
"There could be more upward pressure if firms relocate production to Thailand to skirt US tariffs on China-made products, according to Fukaya."
Surging Thai Baht Shatters Expat Dreams of Easy Retirement.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-03/thailand-s-surging-baht-shatters-expat-dreams-of-easy-retirementI think the cost of living has risen dramatically in Bangkok in the last year or two. Food ordered by roadside cart could be almost double the price I used to pay, although price is location dependent too. Japanese frequented area is extra expensive.
Hotel prices are unexpectedly high at times.
Exchange rates have deteriorated badly for some countries. Obviously the super exchange rates during the crash were not going to last, but is getting ridiculous now nearly back to early 90's levels.
Bargirls too. Even MP prices on the move in some shops.
I suppose the monger wants economy in Thailand to be very weak in order to get a better exchange rate.
Franciscass
10-06-19, 05:25
Relocating Chinese production is moving to countries where labor is cheap. It was already happening before the tariffs. Most of it goes to Vietnam Cambodia Bangladesh and other countries with lower labor costs than Thailand. It follows that those that do come here will most likely pay no more than the 300 Baht minimum wage. Thai girls who decide to enter the P4P business already have the opportunity to work in factories in construction, in retail, in hospitality and other segments of the economy. There is actually a shortage of Thai people available or willing to fill these positions as evidenced by the millions of Cambodians Laotians and Burmese working here. I don't see how the limited number of Chinese factories moving here will change that mindset. I agree yes the principal reason girls enter the P4P business is money. What I don't agree it is because they cannot find work in a Chinese factory.
I think the cost of living has risen dramatically in Bangkok in the last year or two. Food ordered by roadside cart could be almost double the price I used to pay, although price is location dependent too. Japanese frequented area is extra expensive.Well if you are in the Tourist Ghetto or Pattaya prices may have risen (and I would dispute that cart prices are up, but I don't eat the disgusting street food in Nana anyway), but everywhere outside prices have remained the same for almost the past 5 years.
Thermae just raised their prices by 10 baht though. That's 30 cents to you Americans. That means if you pound down 20 drinks at thermae you paid an extra $6. I'm sure that some folks who post here are squealing about it.
Relocating Chinese production is moving to countries where labor is cheap. It was already happening before the tariffs. Most of it goes to Vietnam Cambodia Bangladesh and other countries with lower labor costs than Thailand. It follows that those that do come here will most likely pay no more than the 300 Baht minimum wage. Thai girls who decide to enter the P4P business already have the opportunity to work in factories in construction, in retail, in hospitality and other segments of the economy. There is actually a shortage of Thai people available or willing to fill these positions as evidenced by the millions of Cambodians Laotians and Burmese working here. I don't see how the limited number of Chinese factories moving here will change that mindset. I agree yes the principal reason girls enter the P4P business is money. What I don't agree it is because they cannot find work in a Chinese factory.The ripple effect from more industry choosing Thailand over China due to the trade war as stated in the article does not only move between the factory and the girls. Brothers, sisters, dads, mothers, boyfriends, husbands and baby daddies also have more jobs and alternate income opportunities. Businesses near the factories fare better and expand. New business opportunities arise in those areas. Thai men who do well in those areas can add 2 more mia nois and gfs to their rounds and those girls will not have to even see much less suck a farang dick until they are well past their Sell By date.
There really is no scenario where more industry choosing Thailand in order to avoid potential trade war hassle in China improves the chances of an 18 year old Thai hottie in the factory areas leaving her friends, family and baby, hopping on a bus to go to Bkk or Pattaya or anywhere else in the country and wade through the increasing number of ethnic undesirables (to Thais) in order to fuck and suck foreigners for money. Or to even leave that option uneffected negatively.
Yes, factories were moving into Thailand before the USA-China trade war. And I think we have seen the choices diminish, service levels decline and prices rise for getting less right along. So now the USA-China trade war has motivated MORE international conglomerates to look at, consider and decide to move to Thailand sooner and faster. Not just for now but in order to avoid future potential USA-China antagonism.
Elections have consequences. And, very often, not just for the people in the country where those elections take place.
Well if you are in the Tourist Ghetto or Pattaya prices may have risen (and I would dispute that cart prices are up, but I don't eat the disgusting street food in Nana anyway), but everywhere outside prices have remained the same for almost the past 5 years.
Thermae just raised their prices by 10 baht though. That's 30 cents to you Americans. That means if you pound down 20 drinks at thermae you paid an extra $6. I'm sure that some folks who post here are squealing about it.Nana and Thermae were not mentioned. One does not go to Thermae to eat. I don't get cart food in Nana for various reasons. The hamburger stand went to really poor quality several years ago. Grilled chicken is pricey. Can't say if most stuff is disgusting there since have not been eating it.
The cost of grilled chicken and deep fried chicken has risen a lot, even carts selling fruit seem pricey. Could be the Sukhumvit tourist area has much higher prices as vendors may pay a lot for their spot on a touristy street. I can still buy some veg at the Supermarket in the province cheaply. 3 large carrots cost me just under 8 Baht. Wow! Raw chicken pieces were about 67 Baht per Kilo. I cooked it myself.
Its a terrible exchange rate hurting me most these days.
More divisive American political claptrap in the Thai Lounge that has nothing to do with Thailand or girls. Why does the ISG allow this? After being a member since 2008, I am strongly considering dropping this web site. All I read here is negative shit about Thailand being too expensive from guys who can't afford it anymore, bull shit about Thai girls (PI girls too) not being any good anymore, and the political hate Trump crap. I used to enjoy reading this web site in the morning knowing it would have interesting and informative posts. Obviously the ISG is not what it used to be ie an informative web site dedicated to the world wide pursuit of girls. Nowadays I rarely find anything worth reading here. And that really is too bad.
P.S. I know I am not the only one who feels this way.Yes, I feel this way, too, Natty, but won't drop ISG because there is still good intel sometimes on other threads. Let me acknowledge the fine posts of Syz, Goferring, Wicked Roger, Red Kilt (don't see too much any more), Smoothy and of course, you.
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I suppose the monger wants economy in Thailand to be very weak in order to get a better exchange rate.Truth be told, that is the basis for all or most P4P customer advantages anywhere in the world, not just Thailand. It won't happen if we only count on lazy girls who don't want to work 8 am-8 pm 6 days a week to show up at the venues or on the street.
Yes, there will be some who fit that profile. But it requires a depressed economy for whole families in order to get armies of young, good looking girls showing up to give high level sex services to strangers every night. Witness the economic conditions that existed during the oft mentioned heydays of great Thai P4P in the late 1990's and early 2000's.
Still, on the issue of an expat's ability to retire and live in Thailand, unrelated to the issue of more highly motivated P4P girls showing up for the job, I would say Thailand is still a much better deal than living in retirement in the USA. Including in Bangkok.
I can't speak for other countries. But if you can meet the 65,000 THB per month income requirement or similar annual deposit kept in a Thai bank, you should be able to rent a better than average Western-suitable apartment in the most popular expat areas of the city, eat whatever you want every day, get out and around on public transportation, enjoy high speed internet at home and on the go and even afford decent catastrophic health care coverage. And you can pick up the meal tab and more for a girlfriend or two much of the time as well.
Here is what was said about a retiree from the U. K. at the start of that linked article:
"The former aircraft technician easily bought a townhouse, pickup truck and motorcycle when he arrived at the age of 55 two decades ago. Back then the pound bought about 60 baht, but now it fetches a little less than 38 baht."
He was foolish to have counted on the exchange rate and economic conditions to remain the same as they were during one of the worst downturns in modern Thai history. And it appears he is trying to duplicate all the amenities and toys of a gainfully employed man in his home country.
In my case, two of the biggest cost saving advantages to retirement in Bangkok vs staying in the USA was that I can rent a decent place for very little money (and while the property I own in the USA is generating rental income in USD) and have no need to own a car with all the attendent purchase, insurance, fuel and maintenance costs.
Those two factors alone offset at least $1,500-$2,000USD in retirement costs per month compared to staying in the USA.
Yes, I feel this way, too, Natty, but won't drop ISG because there is still good intel sometimes on other threads. Let me acknowledge the fine posts of Syz, Goferring, Wicked Roger, Red Kilt (don't see too much any more), Smoothy and of course, you.Which part of this current discussion about the inevitable detrimental effects of a USA-China trade war on Thai mongering has "nothing to do with Thailand or girls"? It has a great deal to do with both.
There might have been a mildly interesting carrot dangling in front of some companies thinking about moving out of China to set up factories in Thailand and thereby improve its economy before. Or to choose Thailand over China in the first place. But this current politically motivated tariff and trade war declared by the USA added a big paddle on the butts of companies to do it sooner, faster and in greater numbers.
Nana and Thermae were not mentioned. One does not go to Thermae to eat. I don't get cart food in Nana for various reasons. The hamburger stand went to really poor quality several years ago. Grilled chicken is pricey. Can't say if most stuff is disgusting there since have not been eating it.
The cost of grilled chicken and deep fried chicken has risen a lot, even carts selling fruit seem pricey. Could be the Sukhumvit tourist area has much higher prices as vendors may pay a lot for their spot on a touristy street. I can still buy some veg at the Supermarket in the province cheaply. 3 large carrots cost me just under 8 Baht. Wow! Raw chicken pieces were about 67 Baht per Kilo. I cooked it myself.
Its a terrible exchange rate hurting me most these days.The price of carrots wasn't mentioned. And if you leave the farang ghetto once in a while, prices are the same. And I wasn't talking about the food in termae, I was mentioning the fact that you're drinking there went up to 10 baht. Is that why you don't like the place?
The exchange rate doesn't hurt me. In fact, if it was 10 b to the buck, it wouldn't matter in the slightest.
The food has always been decent and cheap in thermae by the way.
Franciscass
10-08-19, 12:22
Which part of this current discussion about the inevitable detrimental effects of a USA-China trade war on Thai mongering has "nothing to do with Thailand or girls"? It has a great deal to do with both.
There might have been a mildly interesting carrot dangling in front of some companies thinking about moving out of China to set up factories in Thailand and thereby improve its economy before. Or to choose Thailand over China in the first place. But this current politically motivated tariff and trade war declared by the USA added a big paddle on the butts of companies to do it sooner, faster and in greater numbers.In a scenario where a country girl has absolutely no job opportunities close to her town or village she is more likely to join her friends in the city and start a career in P4P. This situation exists more in Laos Myanmar Cambodia and Vietnam but in my opinion less so in Thailand. Here it is the relatively higher earnings from working at the go go that is the primary reason she works there.
As to her family members having jobs from Chinese relocated businesses this will only happen if the new factories are situated close to where they live. Its possible incentives will lure then to Essan but supply chain and logistic infrastructure will be more important making the EEC more suitable.
I would agree increased job opportunities influences the number of working girls available, the question becomes by how much. There are other factors at play. Increasing numbers of girls working abroad, more girls not lured by the easy money wanting instead to get a degree and pursue a career and quite possibly more girls better understanding that selling sex is maybe not such a smart choice to make.
In a scenario where a country girl has absolutely no job opportunities close to her town or village she is more likely to join her friends in the city and start a career in P4P. This situation exists more in Laos Myanmar Cambodia and Vietnam but in my opinion less so in Thailand. Here it is the relatively higher earnings from working at the go go that is the primary reason she works there.
Lets assume a girl has weak education. Parents could not afford to school a girl when she would probably become a housewife mother.
Thai girls can sell vegies, pineapples or durians in the province for extreme low money. They can go to Bangkok and work a factory, food stall, waitress, paint fingernails, or become a hooker. If they have to get enough money to support poor parents, sisters, and try to have the child get a decent education (unlike the mother), then the low level jobs are not going to pay enough. Many are single mothers. No husband to help out. If she is at all good looking, hooking becomes an option, even if part time. Could hope to hook a sponsor.
I know a young Lao girl like this, pretty and would love me to be her old sugar daddy, but I have a Mrs already. Her financial struggles are severe. She needs an operation but can't afford it (at least so I heard). Probably 100 K baht or more. Hard for her to hook a good guy when she has no English. Her brother is stuck in prison with medical problems, from dealing drugs most likely (she does not know or tell. But guys don't have the hooking option). Meanwhile the levels of customers in the MPs and bars, etc. Are quite low. I heard from more than one MP girl, can go several days with no customer. Same for bar girls not getting a customer every day, especially those with poor English.
If the girl had English, she could probably do very well standing on Soi 4 because hers looks are superior. Probably needs to use smart phone to translate messages similar to what the deaf girls do.
I just give example of girl whose health is not the best and education very poor, and her work options to make money to save for operation are quite limited. Also she is just not used to working really hard. Tires easily.
She tried learning fingernail care (but I don't see that as having much earning potential). She tried being a waitress but was too demanding based on the physical health. I advised to try to learn English quickly and hook a rich Farang sponsor. Can't see any other way out for her future. She is a really nice enthusiastic fuck and good looking. That is one plus. Her circumstances are extremely shitty.
Franciscass
10-09-19, 08:18
Lets assume a girl has weak education. Parents could not afford to school a girl when she would probably become a housewife mother.
Thai girls can sell vegies, pineapples or durians in the province for extreme low money. They can go to Bangkok and work a factory, food stall, waitress, paint fingernails, or become a hooker. If they have to get enough money to support poor parents, sisters, and try to have the child get a decent education (unlike the mother), then the low level jobs are not going to pay enough. Many are single mothers. No husband to help out. If she is at all good looking, hooking becomes an option, even if part time. Could hope to hook a sponsor.
I know a young Lao girl like this, pretty and would love me to be her old sugar daddy, but I have a Mrs already. Her financial struggles are severe. She needs an operation but can't afford it (at least so I heard). Probably 100 K baht or more. Hard for her to hook a good guy when she has no English. Her brother is stuck in prison with medical problems, from dealing drugs most likely (she does not know or tell. But guys don't have the hooking option). Meanwhile the levels of customers in the MPs and bars, etc. Are quite low. I heard from more than one MP girl, can go several days with no customer. Same for bar girls not getting a customer every day, especially those with poor English.
If the girl had English, she could probably do very well standing on Soi 4 because hers looks are superior. Probably needs to use smart phone to translate messages similar to what the deaf girls do.
I just give example of girl whose health is not the best and education very poor, and her work options to make money to save for operation are quite limited. Also she is just not used to working really hard. Tires easily. .A sad tale and so typical. Seems a sweet girl. One can only hope her looks and personality are enough to catch somebody's attention but as you mention her lack of English makes that less likely. Perhaps a mention on ISG on how to meet up with her would help her out.
Perhaps a mention on ISG on how to meet up with her would help her out.It might bring her a few good guys bit most likely a lot of weirdos that would take advantage of her instead of helping her.
Franciscass
10-11-19, 04:34
It might bring her a few good guys bit most likely a lot of weirdos that would take advantage of her instead of helping her.Nutjobs are an occupational hazard unfortunately working girls have to contend with. They are out there for sure, some even appear on the forum from time to time. Girls need to take whatever precautions they can. Working in oilies and soapies or as booked excorts where the customer is exposed gives them a certain degree of safety but working the streets and the bars exposes them to the greatest danger. While even one experience is enough for a girl to quit the business I get the impression the abuse is relatively occasional. Hopefully so.
Are poppers illegal in Thailand? Don't want to risk bringing anything in that could get me in trouble. I've seen conflicting comments online. Some say illegal, some guys say they've had no issue even showing them in suitcases at Customs. Does anyone know the actual position please?
Bangkok jumps up cost-of-living table.
Strong baht pushes capital into top 50 globally in survey of expat living costs.
12 DEC 2019
https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/1814124/bangkok-jumps-up-cost-of-living-table
However:
"Certain living costs, such as accommodation rental, utilities, car purchases and school fees are usually covered by separate allowances. Data for these costs are collected separately and are not included in ECA's cost of living basket."
Bangkok jumps up cost-of-living table.
Strong baht pushes capital into top 50 globally in survey of expat living costs.
12 DEC 2019
https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/1814124/bangkok-jumps-up-cost-of-living-table
However:
"Certain living costs, such as accommodation rental, utilities, car purchases and school fees are usually covered by separate allowances. Data for these costs are collected separately and are not included in ECA's cost of living basket."Naturally rental and utilities is a part of the cost of living. Even in Baht money, the cost for a bowl of noodles on a street stall has gone up a lot or the bowl shrunk to such an extent that more than 1 bowl is needed. Cost of buying fruit from street cart or grilled chicken has certainly jumped up over the years too. Fuel costs much more than it used to. Even Thais complain a lot about rise of cost of gas for cooking jumped a lot when Yingluck came to power (before Baht was so strong), affecting heavily even the poor rural folk. However they don't complain about candidates handing out 1000 Baht to vote for them. Jump in for that. I don't see Prayut has done much about corruption at all. Its all improving the Image for him, is my impression. Real improvements not really.
AussieDoug
12-14-19, 14:16
Are poppers illegal in Thailand? Don't want to risk bringing anything in that could get me in trouble. I've seen conflicting comments online. Some say illegal, some guys say they've had no issue even showing them in suitcases at Customs. Does anyone know the actual position please?Amphetamines known locally as yaba (thai translation for crazy) is illegal, many times the coppers attend a club and administer piss tests on everyone, just because the law is not enforced does not mean the law no longer exists. If as a farang you get caught, you will definitely wind up in the monkey house, the locals like to blame all their ills on foreigners. It's the same with finding any pedo who is a farang, headline news, but allows them to ignore the locals who the coppers find distasteful stuff to deal with, so better they ignore it, and blame the farangs.
Amphetamines known locally as yaba (thai translation for crazy) is illegal, many times the coppers attend a club and administer piss tests on everyone, just because the law is not enforced does not mean the law no longer exists. If as a farang you get caught, you will definitely wind up in the monkey house, the locals like to blame all their ills on foreigners. It's the same with finding any pedo who is a farang, headline news, but allows them to ignore the locals who the coppers find distasteful stuff to deal with, so better they ignore it, and blame the farangs.Poppers are not Amphetamines like speed etc. Obviously don't want to take ANY risks at all. So likely just to skip it but have read some reports on the net about this not being an issue. Would be great to get some clarity without which. As you say. No point in taking any chance.
Amphetamines known locally as yaba (thai translation for crazy) is illegal, many times the coppers attend a club and administer piss tests on everyone, just because the law is not enforced does not mean the law no longer exists. If as a farang you get caught, you will definitely wind up in the monkey house, the locals like to blame all their ills on foreigners. It's the same with finding any pedo who is a farang, headline news, but allows them to ignore the locals who the coppers find distasteful stuff to deal with, so better they ignore it, and blame the farangs.Have you actually experienced Police coming and pee testing everyone? I never saw it in many years. Police raids are more commonly concerned about several things: Underage girls, girls not Thai citizens, perhaps drugs found on them, Yaa Baa (Yaba) or Ice, and perhaps testing girls that seem spaced out. Would they really test all the customers too?
One guy I knew, took on a girl addicted to Ice, no clue why he accepted this, since she was total unsuitable, far too young and untrustworthy. He admitted to trying it himself, so he would know what it is like. Subsequently she would steal his valuables. E. g. Phone, and sell them to finance her drug purchases. As if he would not know this would be likely. Idiot. Eventually he died probably prematurely.
I had no idea what poopers are so had to look it up being inhaled Amyl Nitrates. Apparently can act as an anal relaxant. Ha ha. Suitable for gays and girls in PSE shops.
I quote this I read on a medical site:
"Taking the drug in this way can cause irregular and rapid heart rhythms and result in a syndrome called "sudden sniffing death".
Also, poppers can have other complications that are potentially fatal. For example, researchTrusted Source in rats indicates that the chemicals in poppers may be toxic to the brain and inhibit learning and memory".
So definitely not a safe recreation.
I read that you cannot buy poppers in Thailand and is banned. So not legal. Not worth the risk I am sure.
Applesauce
12-15-19, 13:13
As a traveller in Thailand, you carry ID with you at all times? My last trip when trying to enter Crazy House I was asked for my passport. I didn't have the original or a copy on me. The doorman was asking all Asians. No bother for me but I prefer to keep my pockets light and hence don't carry my passport.
are so had to look it up being inhaled Amyl Nitrates. Apparently can act as an anal relaxant. Ha ha. Suitable for gays and girls in PSE shops.
I quote this I read on a medical site:
"Taking the drug in this way can cause irregular and rapid heart rhythms and result in a syndrome called "sudden sniffing death".
Also, poppers can have other complications that are potentially fatal. For example, researchTrusted Source in rats indicates that the chemicals in poppers may be toxic to the brain and inhibit learning and memory".
So definitely not a safe recreation.
I read that you cannot buy poppers in Thailand and is banned. So not legal. Not worth the risk I am sure.I am not guy or a girl in a PSE shop (though your comment did make me giggle). I'm sure heavy use of poppers is seriously not a good idea. But the are excellent for short heightened enjoyment of sex. They are on sale in Spain, Germany, UK, USA, Australia without any restriction or prescription. A lot of things are dangerous if used excessively. I don't use poppers more than a couple of times a month but if you find a girl you click with they inject great fun.
But given the apparent lack of knowledge about them being legal or not in Thailand from senior members of this forum, I agree it is just not worth the risk and will skip. They aren't that important but a shame. Bit like saying thin condoms are illegal. You can still have a lot of fun without them but perhaps more fun with them.
Banana Boi
12-15-19, 17:30
As a traveller in Thailand, you carry ID with you at all times? My last trip when trying to enter Crazy House I was asked for my passport. I didn't have the original or a copy on me. The doorman was asking all Asians. No bother for me but I prefer to keep my pockets light and hence don't carry my passport.Only a digital copy. A photocopy could be an option as well. Losing my passport far outweighs the hassle of not having a real passport on my body. FYI never been asked for a passport in over 4 years living in Pattaya and Bangkok.
As for CH did all the Asians look young and the Farangs look old or are you saying even 50 year old Asians were checked and 20 year old Farang were not. I'd just walk away of any gogo bar asked me for my passport. Never seen any bar I've been at in Thailand ever asking to see a passport though.
Applesauce
12-15-19, 17:43
As for CH did all the Asians look young and the Farangs look old or are you saying even 50 year old Asians were checked and 20 year old Farang were not.While I was there the doorman checked all East Asians for ID regardless of age. I may have posted about it here at the time last Sep 2018. Other forums said it was to make sure I wasn't Thai.
I'll be in Bangkok in about a month. I'm mostly not looking to monger (not that into Asian women) but I would like to see this infamous side of the city.
I was hoping why'all could help me put together a sampler of a night. I was actually thinking of checking out something like this: https://bizarrebangkoktours.com/tours/red-light-bangkok/.
Maybe I should just use their itinerary as a guide and visit the establishments myself? I'm straight but I'm open to seeing how the gay and katoey clubs work. Also what clubs are for Japanese salarymen, and what clubs are for old Westerners hooking up with girls from the countryside? Will there be an entry fee or drink minimum at these clubs?
I know there are three main areas: Soi Cowboy, Nana Plaza and Patpong. Which of the three is best for just casual observers? Which of the three is best for finding a girl?
I'll be in Bangkok in about a month. I'm mostly not looking to monger (not that into Asian women) but I would like to see this infamous side of the city.
I was hoping why'all could help me put together a sampler of a night. I was actually thinking of checking out something like this: https://bizarrebangkoktours.com/tours/red-light-bangkok/.
Maybe I should just use their itinerary as a guide and visit the establishments myself? I'm straight but I'm open to seeing how the gay and katoey clubs work. Also what clubs are for Japanese salarymen, and what clubs are for old Westerners hooking up with girls from the countryside? Will there be an entry fee or drink minimum at these clubs?
I know there are three main areas: Soi Cowboy, Nana Plaza and Patpong. Which of the three is best for just casual observers? Which of the three is best for finding a girl?You better not use European non English words hear. "Demimonde" ha ha.
A month in Bangkok is too long if you won't be mongering much, unless you have to work there. Travelling to other places would be a must for most.
Thaniya is for Japanese near Pat Pong, and there is a Gay Soi nearby. Pat Pong, Nana Plaza and Cowboy have several LB clubs (not difficult find) but some like DC10 maybe risky, and we are not permitted to get into non hetero things on this forum. Most gogo bars are for old guys meeting country Thai girls, however some bars have 98% South East Asian customers these days, and very few western guys.
For Nana Plaza I recommend Billboard. Some others may like Rainbow bar. For Cowboy, worth looking at Crazy House, Baccarat, Dollhouse, Kazy to see what you like. I don't really like any particular clubs, it depends only on particular girls.
You may as well try Oily Massage places, Soapy Massage, Street walkers, Thermae Caf, Discos, Nightclubs. Look at everything and see what you like. Possible to find poor girls anywhere so be cautious.
You will be used beautiful women in Europe so most of the Russian and similar types in Thailand, will just not be good enough. Very ordinary looking Russians seen now and then. Most of us don't bother to go there.
Banana Boi
12-23-19, 19:49
<moved from the Pattaya Reports thread since topic is not Pattaya specific.>
What an idiot! Don't be this fool. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foGtGPc27kk.
He being so badly played by a Thai, not even worth anybody's time for the world to see.48, unemployed, overweight, and balding with no money. A winning combination. Can barely afford a 50 k baht dowry. Couldn't afford to buy gold for $6800 USD and convinced the girl he would buy buy about $1000 USD in gold for now and buy more over time. Of course the girl has major concerns if this guy can support her.
I know zero about this topic but what is the norm to pay for a dowry and a couple of wedding rings in Thailand?
Member #4698
12-23-19, 22:50
48, unemployed, overweight, and balding with no money. A winning combination. Can barely afford a 50 k baht dowry. Couldn't afford to buy gold for $6800 USD and convinced the girl he would buy buy about $1000 USD in gold for now and buy more over time. Of course the girl has major concerns if this guy can support her. I don't think the video is real. I mean who the hell hires a cameraman to video such a humiliating experience. The dufus must be really hard up for cash. What a great idea: film a fake story about his new life in LOS with a real Thai woman and make a name for himself on youtube. The only question I have, after watching the video, is who would give his supposed fiance 2000 baht for ST? Not me, although she is a pretty good actress. 555.
You better not use European non English words hear. "Demimonde" ha ha.I'm all for using demimondes, isn't that what this site is for?
I don't think the video is real. I mean who the hell hires a cameraman to video such a humiliating experience. The dufus must be really hard up for cash. What a great idea: film a fake story about his new life in LOS with a real Thai woman and make a name for himself on youtube. The only question I have, after watching the video, is who would give his supposed fiance 2000 baht for ST? Not me, although she is a pretty good actress. 555.I agree it's not likely to be real. The points she says I say goodbye if you don't have money I'the have been packing her off the boat. And to answer your question, I wouldn't pay 200 let alone 2000 for ST with her.
Took a quick look at the video and it ws too long didn't watch (tl: dw). I admit to being ignorant of the outcome of the documentary.
Its barely watchable. Any idiot can upload a YouTube video and call themselves a YouTube celebrity. It's a cynical video of no merit. Everyone comes off in a bad light (if real) or if fake, it's even more cynical. Is it like the bachelor designed to make us guffaw at the loser and his money grubbing thai bride.
I don't think the video is real. I mean who the hell hires a cameraman to video such a humiliating experience. The dufus must be really hard up for cash. What a great idea: film a fake story about his new life in LOS with a real Thai woman and make a name for himself on youtube. The only question I have, after watching the video, is who would give his supposed fiance 2000 baht for ST? Not me, although she is a pretty good actress. 555.
Mr Enternational
12-24-19, 02:42
I don't think the video is real. I mean who the hell hires a cameraman to video such a humiliating experience. The dufus must be really hard up for cash. What a great idea: film a fake story about his new life in LOS with a real Thai woman and make a name for himself on youtube. The only question I have, after watching the video, is who would give his supposed fiance 2000 baht for ST? Not me, although she is a pretty good actress. 555.The show is called 90 Day Fiance. That couple was from 2 seasons ago.
https://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/90-day-fiance/
Took a quick look at the video and it ws too long didn't watch (tl: dw). I admit to being ignorant of the outcome of the documentary.
Its barely watchable. Any idiot can upload a YouTube video and call themselves a YouTube celebrity. It's a cynical video of no merit. Everyone comes off in a bad light (if real) or if fake, it's even more cynical. Is it like the bachelor designed to make us guffaw at the loser and his money grubbing thai bride.That video is about two years old and its not a YouTube video, it is from a top rated "reality show" on TLC called 90 day Fiance. David and his ho, I mean his wife are now paid commentators on other 90 day shows as they have become two of the more popular characters from that show. Not bad for a former unemployed but still overweight dunce and an ex bar girl with the charisma of Opebo.
So just like The bachelor then. How fucking painful.
Thanks for saving me from watching the "content".
That video is about two years old and its not a YouTube video, it is from a top rated "reality show" on TLC called 90 day Fiance. David and his ho, I mean his wife are now paid commentators on other 90 day shows as they have become two of the more popular characters from that show. Not bad for a former unemployed but still overweight dunce and an ex bar girl with the charisma of Opebo.
So just like The bachelor then. How fucking painful.
Thanks for saving me from watching the "content".I have a relative that is working on that show and has worked on many other reality shows. The scripts on these shows are embellished to make them interesting to the viewing public. Events don't happen in sequence, scenes are reshot, and dialogue is changed / made up for entertainment purposes. This happens on nearly every reality show. They are largely fake.
LittleBigMan
12-24-19, 14:24
That video is about two years old and its not a YouTube video, it is from a top rated "reality show" on TLC called 90 day Fiance. David and his ho, I mean his wife are now paid commentators on other 90 day shows as they have become two of the more popular characters from that show. Not bad for a former unemployed but still overweight dunce and an ex bar girl with the charisma of Opebo.Hey speaking of " Opebo " didn't there use to be a board member called " Opebo "?
Hey speaking of " Opebo " didn't there use to be a board member called " Opebo "?Yes, he only comes out every so often to tell us how bad the BR scene is and that the end is near, he should be along soon.
I'm due to be in Thailand in Jan 2020 for only 6 nights (managed to squeeze these in on business trip outside of Thailand).
I have first night booked in Bangkok. I'm not a great fan of the city, have been many times but fancied Thermae as not been and read a lot of good reports in the recent forums. That said I have a penchant for bar girls rather than FLs but let's see. Intend to travel to Pattaya then for night 2 and 3. That leaves me 3 nights. I have been to Phuket / Samui / Krabi / but not to Hua Hin (which I like the look of). So my options are to pick one of them for all three nights (in which case Phuket probably has most choice but then I find Bangla all a bit over the top). Hence wondering if I should try quieter Hua Hin (easy to get to from Pattaya / Bangkok. Obviously Samui / Phuket involve a couple more hours of travel. Would be interested to get some views from senior members of this forum on where you would recommend I spend those last three nights. Mongering if first priority over hotel / beach / tourist attractions! Would appreciate your help please guys. Nice to have these options. Would have been better to have more nights but even the 6 is a bonus.
I'm due to be in Thailand in Jan 2020 for only 6 nights (managed to squeeze these in on business trip outside of Thailand).
I have first night booked in Bangkok. I'm not a great fan of the city, have been many times but fancied Thermae as not been and read a lot of good reports in the recent forums. That said I have a penchant for bar girls rather than FLs but let's see. Intend to travel to Pattaya then for night 2 and 3. That leaves me 3 nights. I have been to Phuket / Samui / Krabi / but not to Hua Hin (which I like the look of). So my options are to pick one of them for all three nights (in which case Phuket probably has most choice but then I find Bangla all a bit over the top). Hence wondering if I should try quieter Hua Hin (easy to get to from Pattaya / Bangkok. Obviously Samui / Phuket involve a couple more hours of travel. Would be interested to get some views from senior members of this forum on where you would recommend I spend those last three nights. Mongering if first priority over hotel / beach / tourist attractions! Would appreciate your help please guys. Nice to have these options. Would have been better to have more nights but even the 6 is a bonus.Such a short time, I would merely suggest not to try to do too many different locations, especially if mongering is your priority. If was me, would skip Hua Hin. Is it exciting enough? Don't bother to decide ahead of time. See if you are bored with Bangkok and Pattaya first. Go with the flow.
I think Bargirls are better than FLs overall, but there is the cost problem. FLs in the Thermae may act like they are on a tight schedule (not always) but depends how busy they are. Bargirls can rush customers too, but I rarely meet those types these days. You have more time in a bar to assess the girl's attitude. I have been lucky on occasions with attitude of FLs on Soi 4, (far more lucky than in Thermae). Also Soi 4 girls are more likely to prefer Farangs, and less dick scared.
Banana Boi
12-29-19, 05:50
I'd take an hour flight to Phnom Penh vs. Flying to tourist trap Phuket or driving 3 hours Bangkok to Hua Hin. Didn't even realize Hua Hin had a worthwhile hobby scene.
Didn't even realize Hua Hin had a worthwhile hobby scene.Hua hin surely has bars but quality is really bad. I never saw a single doable girl outside massage shops. I only go to hua hin for chilling out on beach because it's so close from BKK.
Hua hin surely has bars but quality is really bad. I never saw a single doable girl outside massage shops. I only go to hua hin for chilling out on beach because it's so close from BKK.Never been there. Some traveler on the web wrote the beach is full of huge jelly fish and has big sewage pipes running into it. Is that the case?
Many thanks for the replies gents. I have a feeling Syzgies is right about cutting travel down.
Have never been to Phi Phi so might do Phuket then head to the island for one day total rest and chill but I also like the go with the flow idea and just see where it takes me.
Had seriously contemplated Phnom Phen but then it would mean all cities and no beach at all.
Really appreciated the feedback.
Nobody commented on Samui which was a little surprising.
Banana Boi
12-29-19, 17:02
Mongering if first priority over hotel / beach / tourist attractions!
Have never been to Phi Phi so might do Phuket then head to the island for one day total rest and chill but I also like the go with the flow idea and just see where it takes me.
Had seriously contemplated Phnom Phen but then it would mean all cities and no beach at all.
I misunderstood the goal of your 6 days trip. I read mongering over beaches which is why I recommended PP over Phuket. If you really want a mongering and beach combination I think Jakarta and Bali would be a much better choice.
Funny we are considering other places for a good beach since the Thai officials believe Pattaya is a world class beach resort.
I misunderstood the goal of your 6 days trip. I read mongering over beaches which is why I recommended PP over Phuket. If you really want a mongering and beach combination I think Jakarta and Bali would be a much better choice.
Funny we are considering other places for a good beach since the Thai officials believe Pattaya is a world class beach resort.I understand. Sorry for the confusion. Main goal is good mongering. So for example, I'd like to go to Koh Lanta but don't believe it would have much in the way of mongering options. So despite the apparent beauty I'll skip it. Same applied to Langkawi.
If there are none, or poor mongering options, that would rule it out. I contemplated Hua Hin due to Redcat site suggesting it was really good but the forum doesn't suggest so. I also thought the beach there was good but apparently not presently. If I can get a combo of a really nice place to visit with good mongering options that would be best. But really nice place to visit doesn't have to be beach. You post made me seriously look again at PP and the flights are both cheap and easy from BKK. I'd like to experience Cambodia and / or Vietnam. I've arranged already 2 days in the mayhem of Pattaya- not because it is pretty. I guess it won't be. But because (1) I've never been so have to try once and (2) the options appear to be many. I'll do one night in BKK despite not loving the city as I like the sound of Thermae. I'm fortunate not to be on a budget so I would hope I would do well there. Looked at the PP forum and I like the sound of the KTVs which sound great fun.
But not sure I want to spend all three of my spare nights in PP. I've been to Bali but not Jakarta and as I need to head back to Europe after the 6 days and have my return flight booked back to FRA from LK that sort of rules out Jakarta and Bali as it is just going too far east.
I like the idea of PP over Phuket as I'm not a big fan of Bangla / Phuket. I liked Samui as not as much mayhem as Phuket but PP has definitely opened another avenue and I like trying places I've never been to. And not been there. I like to have something interesting to see in the daytime (touristy) and PP looks like a cool city.
Have never been to Phi Phi so might do Phuket then head to the island for one day total rest and chill but I also like the go with the flow idea and just see where it takes me.
Phuket is a big Island. Patong Beech is the main touristy and mongering area. There are many quieter spots in Phuket, but still touristy.
If intending Phi Phi, one can combine it with Ao Nang, Krabi (which is what I did) and that can be a bit cheaper than Phuket. I took a hot Thai girl with me since I did not expect much mongering on Phi Phi (I would not really know). This meant I had a great time. Small scale mongering is available in bars at Ao Nang Krabi.
To do Phuket and Phi Phi (or Krabi and Phi Phi) really requires at least 4 days I think, but you are pushed for time. Yes you can stay in Phi Phi just one night. It's possible but rushed. So only if you are hating Bangkok and Pattaya. Personally, I don't like to be in a huge rush.
At Phi Phi, you hire snorkelling gear and a long tailed boat to go to the beautiful bays with coloured tropical coral fish to see. Better still if you have a sexy Thai girl along with you. If she can't swim, no matter, they have bouyancy vests and flippers available to give non swimmers confidence. Snorkelling trips are available from Ao Nang as well (without going far to Phi Phi).
I did PP for one night (too rushed). Found that most PP girls were a bit different to Thais and not quite as appealing to me. The girls that came from places close to the border of Thailand, looked much more similar to Thais. Hardly surprising. Need to try again some day.
Not sure why Bali was recommended. I would never go there again. O.K. as a beech resort, but Balinese girls for the most part are not that pretty for my taste, especially once they get over 20 years old. They seemed to decline rapidly with age (too much sun and hard work maybe) and looked very old at 30. Also the more rounded face shapes did not appeal. I am biased towards slim face shape and narrow jaw. The good looking girls in Bali were usually Javanese.
I contemplated Hua Hin due to Redcat site suggesting it was really good but the forum doesn't suggest so. I also thought the beach there was good but apparently not presently. The beach in Hua Hin is ok. The water can be a bit murky some times during the year and they do have jellyfish. I've been 3 times but always with family so I haven't checked out the mongering scene. I was there in October and the city had grown a lot since I wa there about 5 years ago. I've read, but cannot confirm, that there are more bars for P4 P these days.
If you want to do Pattaya and Hua Hin then I would go straight from the airport to Pattaya and then over to Hua Hin, I sure there is a direct ferry between the 2. Then return to Bangkok. Heaps of accommodation available everywhere so you may only want to book a night or 2 to start. If you like Pattaya then you can skip Hua Hin and stay there or just go back to BKK.
...I contemplated Hua Hin due to Redcat site suggesting it was really good but the forum doesn't suggest so. I also thought the beach there was good but apparently not presently...A few years ago, I spent 4 days in Hua Hin and I really liked it. I was coming from Pattaya and I liked the laid back atmosphere there. I found many nice restaurants, nice beaches, and the mongering was pretty good. I would go back there in a heartbeat. It is definitely a change from Pattaya.
A few years ago, I spent 4 days in Hua Hin and I really liked it. I was coming from Pattaya and I liked the laid back atmosphere there. I found many nice restaurants, nice beaches, and the mongering was pretty good. I would go back there in a heartbeat. It is definitely a change from Pattaya.Thanks for this and all the replies. What a really helpful forum this is. The contrast with the Kuala Lumpur forum is marked!
So I think my trip is finally sorted. I probably don't have time for HH now I'm headed also to PP. Which looks different and fun. But if I find Pattaya too much (v possible as I don't like the mayhem of Bangla / Phuket) I may head to HH even if only for a day and night.
Thanks guys. Much appreciated.
I will get my visa extended at the immigration office before my first month expires. Right before 2 months I want to fly to PhnomPenh for a week then fly back to Bangkok. Will flying back in allow me another month? In the past I used a visa run company to get third month. We went to an embassy, I think, in Malaysia.
Thanks for any advice or help.
Such a short time, I would merely suggest not to try to do too many different locations, especially if mongering is your priority. If was me, would skip Hua Hin. Is it exciting enough? Don't bother to decide ahead of time. See if you are bored with Bangkok and Pattaya first. Go with the flow.
I think Bargirls are better than FLs overall, but there is the cost problem. FLs in the Thermae may act like they are on a tight schedule (not always) but depends how busy they are. Bargirls can rush customers too, but I rarely meet those types these days. You have more time in a bar to assess the girl's attitude. I have been lucky on occasions with attitude of FLs on Soi 4, (far more lucky than in Thermae). Also Soi 4 girls are more likely to prefer Farangs, and less dick scared.It has been over 55 years (Nam) since I have been in Thailand, but I was stationed there and lived close to the Soldiers Monument. Anyway me and my mates went to Thermae's many many times. It basically was a small coffee shop then and normally we would get there after a night of bar hoping. This was where the bar girls would gather after their work in the various clubs. In those days a club would have many girls just dancing together on a dance floor or hanging out and you could pick one and the waiter would shine his flashlight on her and she would come over. The club we went to most was Hollywood (if I remember the name), and it had a swimming pool out back that wasn't really open to the public, but many WG's would hang out by the pool in the day. It was a good place to get a beer and some noodles and just hang out with the girls if you were a regular! Just wondering what Thermae's is like now?
Banana Boi
01-03-20, 21:16
It has been over 55 years (Nam) since I have been in Thailand, but I was stationed there and lived close to the Soldiers Monument. Anyway me and my mates went to Thermae's many many times. It basically was a small coffee shop then and normally we would get there after a night of bar hoping. This was where the bar girls would gather after their work in the various clubs. In those days a club would have many girls just dancing together on a dance floor or hanging out and you could pick one and the waiter would shine his flashlight on her and she would come over. This is the first post about the Good Old Days that I enjoyed reading. 55 years ago must have really been the good old days!
Thermae these days is 100-200 girls standing like zombies along the perimeter of the bar. 100's of horny Japanese men circling and pointing at girls and discussing their opinion of each girl right in front of the girl's face! It's hilarious. There is absolutely no dancing except in the girls' heads when a guy agrees to overpay the girl 3000 baht or more. Price should be 2500 baht and a few recent reports of girls going for 2000 baht. There may or may not still be coffee there but there is food which is actually not half bad given this is a hole in the wall bar in the basement of a 2 star hotel.
More stories of the Good Old Days of 1965 please!
I will get my visa extended at the immigration office before my first month expires. Right before 2 months I want to fly to PhnomPenh for a week then fly back to Bangkok. Will flying back in allow me another month? You should ask this on thaivisa.com.
Technically you should be allowed another 30 day stay upon return from PP. However, this is all up to the Immigration officer and there is absolutely no consistency in Thailand. Thailand does not want a person to be allowed in many times per year on a free visa. They want the person to pay for a multi entry visa or a Retirement Visa.
I will get my visa extended at the immigration office before my first month expires. Right before 2 months I want to fly to PhnomPenh for a week then fly back to Bangkok. Will flying back in allow me another month? In the past I used a visa run company to get third month. We went to an embassy, I think, in Malaysia.
Thanks for any advice or help.Your post is confusing because I don't know which country you come from nor if you had a Visa and what type. Did you ever get an automatic 30 days on arrival without a Visa? If you did, next time you will get one again. Any arrival is normally extendable by 30 days more if you pay at immigration, before you are required to leave. There is a limit to how many 30 day free entries are allowed per year. Consulates advise that 2 free entries are allowed. In practice, 6 per year may be feasible.
I assume your current Visa, if you have one, is not a multi entry Visa. A visa takes a whole page in passport. If you enter on no Visa or Visa waiver, then it may be just a smaller entry stamp.
On my last Visa run to Jakarta, I found it was far too difficult to apply for a Visa there and took days, so was easier just to enter Thailand again on a 30 day no Visa entry.
This is the first post about the Good Old Days that I enjoyed reading. 55 years ago must have really been the good old days!
Thermae these days is 100-200 girls standing like zombies along the perimeter of the bar. 100's of horny Japanese men circling and pointing at girls and discussing their opinion of each girl right in front of the girl's face! It's hilarious. There is absolutely no dancing except in the girls' heads when a guy agrees to overpay the girl 3000 baht or more. When he talked about dancing in the clubs, I don't think he was referring to Thermae, although dancing did occur there I believe for any who felt like it with music going. 30 years ago Thermae Café was not that small and it wasn't so dark as the girls could not be seen clearly without a flashlight. It was located at the mouth of Soi 13 very close to Miami Hotel and Thermae Soapy was upstairs (at ground level). Was it ever small? I am a little sceptical, but its possible, especially if there was some other location before that. Thermae was the place of last resort at 2 am, if guys had failed to get a girl else where and all the bars had closed. Even bar girls with no customer would possibly migrate to Thermae or The Grace. It was certainly very different to now, with mostly Farang customers.
I have a buddy who may have been to Thermae 40 years ago, so will ask his thoughts too. We would all love a time machine to go back, and I would certainly like to try 55 years ago. Its hard to imagine with my first time there being a mere 37 years ago. Must have been incredible and girls costing maybe 100 to 200 Baht for the whole night. They probably had no English and probably no surgeries and all big Bush no shaved pussies Ha ha. I should check what year the Baht was first used. They once had Ticals I believe. Just kidding! If I had first gone to Thailand at age 20 for example, my whole life might have been totally changed, I might not have married a Farang girl.
It would be great to read a lot more about 55 years ago, seeing we don't have the time machine. I don't want to see the future!
It has been over 55 years (Nam) since I have been in Thailand, but I was stationed there and lived close to the Soldiers Monument. Anyway me and my mates went to Thermae's many many times. It basically was a small coffee shop then and normally we would get there after a night of bar hoping. This was where the bar girls would gather after their work in the various clubs. In those days a club would have many girls just dancing together on a dance floor or hanging out and you could pick one and the waiter would shine his flashlight on her and she would come over. The club we went to most was Hollywood (if I remember the name), and it had a swimming pool out back that wasn't really open to the public, but many WG's would hang out by the pool in the day. It was a good place to get a beer and some noodles and just hang out with the girls if you were a regular! Just wondering what Thermae's is like now?Wow.
Was Thermae at Soi 13 near Miami in those days? Can you tell us about other mongering experiences, like Soapy Massage places visited, etc. Where was the Hollywood Club? If you can remember of course. It is a long time ago. What did a Thai girl cost for the whole night?
37 years ago I was in a Soapy MP in Sukhumvit Soi 2 or 4 and girl was naked, but I had no idea what cost for sex would have been. She had zero English. I did not take much money with me, and no credit cards because I was just going for a jog for exercise and found the place accidentally. I don't know if sex was included in the initial price too. I was totally mystified and clueless but scared of catching an STD. Ha ha. No condoms I guess. I had to return to the wife unfucked. What a waste.
Hey bros and ISGians. I like to know any experience of the ISGians regarding the fullnight. My questions are below.
1.) how many shots you are able to do for night call? 7 PM TO MORNING 5 AM.
2.) pleasantries given by you mostly?
3.) enchangers will be useful for increasing shots on nights?
4.) Uses of vodha during the night call?
5.) Any other tips for night call?
Yes I have been planning for night call. Let me know your suggesstions bro.
Suggestions are welcome on PM too.
Banana Boi
01-05-20, 16:31
how many shots you are able to do for night call? 7 PM TO MORNING 5 AM.As many as you can negotiate with the girl and / or you can do. Of course even if the girl agrees to do 4 SOGs for LT, that may be fairly reduced to 1 or 2 if you jackhammer her pussy to death.
This is the first post about the Good Old Days that I enjoyed reading. 55 years ago must have really been the good old days!
Thermae these days is 100-200 girls standing like zombies along the perimeter of the bar. 100's of horny Japanese men circling and pointing at girls and discussing their opinion of each girl right in front of the girl's face! It's hilarious. There is absolutely no dancing except in the girls' heads when a guy agrees to overpay the girl 3000 baht or more. Price should be 2500 baht and a few recent reports of girls going for 2000 baht. There may or may not still be coffee there but there is food which is actually not half bad given this is a hole in the wall bar in the basement of a 2 star hotel.
More stories of the Good Old Days of 1965 please!
You should ask this on thaivisa.com.
Technically you should be allowed another 30 day stay upon return from PP. However, this is all up to the Immigration officer and there is absolutely no consistency in Thailand. Thailand does not want a person to be allowed in many times per year on a free visa. They want the person to pay for a multi entry visa or a Retirement Visa.
Wow.
Was Thermae at Soi 13 near Miami in those days? Can you tell us about other mongering experiences, like Soapy Massage places visited, etc. Where was the Hollywood Club? If you can remember of course. It is a long time ago. What did a Thai girl cost for the whole night?
37 years ago I was in a Soapy MP in Sukhumvit Soi 2 or 4 and girl was naked, but I had no idea what cost for sex would have been. She had zero English. I did not take much money with me, and no credit cards because I was just going for a jog for exercise and found the place accidentally. I don't know if sex was included in the initial price too. I was totally mystified and clueless but scared of catching an STD. Ha ha. No condoms I guess. I had to return to the wife unfucked. What a waste.Well I will try and remember what it was like 55 years ago! Note that this was during the Vietnam War and we hated to see the Grunts come in for RR. They would have lots of money and lots of built up pressure, hence, they would tend to go a bit crazy. Spoiling it for us locals. I was stationed at the Airport Air Base (Don Maung?) and had quarters ay the Trocadero Hotel (I see on line that it's closed now and a real dump), but as it was a military hotel, you couldn't bring in girls. However my friend and I rented a very small apartment near the Monument I mentioned earlier, I don't remember the cost, but it wasn't much. Girls! I don't think I ever paid one, (but if I did, and I must have, it wasn't much as I really didn't have much money), as mostly they were just hoping for a clean place to sleep and shower. Being a local had certain benefits as we were well known by the local places and many of the girls. As there was no AIDS at that time, I always went BB. Did get the clap one time but a shot took care of that. No idea what a Soapy was.
We had an unofficial award called the "Blue Max", you had to do 50 verified different girls in your tour (1 year) to qualify. I didn't get it but a couple managed.
The small apartment I shared was basically two rooms, with the upstairs the bedroom with two single beds. Tight fit with a girl but so what! My buddy and I worked different shifts and sometimes he or I would go out (what we called "running them") and bring an extra back to the apartment as a "Birthday present". I guess I must have been a bit naive in those days as I never thought of keeping them both for myself!
A couple small clubs not on "bar Street" as they are called now, that we went to were Red & Blue and Thai Younk (spelling on this is probably wrong). Not so many girls but the ones that were there were usually great.
When feeling adventurous, we would go to the waterfront bars with many merchant marine, (in the reg's it was told that you should never go there, too dangerous). Mind your manners and you could have a really great time. Girls there were more professional however and were normally with a mama.
The small apartment I shared was basically two rooms, with the upstairs the bedroom with two single beds. Tight fit with a girl but so what! My buddy and I worked different shifts and sometimes he or I would go out (what we called "running them") and bring an extra back to the apartment as a "Birthday present". I guess I must have been a bit naive in those days as I never thought of keeping them both for myself!
Thanks for the info about old times. The monument is called Chaisamoraphoom (Victory Monument). I used to live near there in Soi Rang Naam for a few years in early 2000s, right on the park Suan Santhipaap. However was not cheap any more 20K Baht per month I think I paid (maybe a bit less) for furnished room with aircon. Don Meuang airport was still being used Internationally.
No worries about being Naive. I was too. My first visit to Thermae I met two hot girls and both well above average looks. Could not find any better than this pair. I had a great deal of difficulty deciding which one of the two, and in the end the non smoker won the tie breaker. Days later my buddy said I was stupid and should have taken both of them. I was so happy with my choice for the night (she had amazing tits as a bonus), I actually took her several days running, till she had made enough extra money to go home to Phitsanulok (with her friend). Best of all, she was passionate in bed. Each night, I wasted considerable time in the Thermae, while my girl waited to see if her friend could get some guy. Seemed that her friend knocked back most guys and not sure of the reason. Her looks were easily good enough (and I liked her). I might have saved a lot of wasted time by taking both of them several nights running. Then again, the pair might have reached their money target sooner and therefore went away sooner.
Sorry to some. I have posted that story before.
I had to try to follow Thai (with my very basic knowledge) with the girl since she had almost no English, other than using English pronouns "I" and "You" in a Thai sentence. That was doubly confusing.
I may have used condoms with Thermae girl, I can't remember. Maybe not. Certainly did some bare backing that first trip. Aids was known (Rock Hudson died 1985), although initially information was supressed in Thailand for fear of affecting tourism. I think it wasn't many years after the big scare in my home country was Herpes.
There were no blue Viagra pills in those days. I recall one Thai girl said the reason she gave me bareback (normally she used condoms) was because my dick stayed hard for much longer with bareback, so a nice long fuck was possible. She reckoned My dick could start to droop as soon as I saw a condom. Ha ha. So my aversion to condoms had already started aged 35. Many years later blue pill fragments became my condom antidote if you like, so that I could tolerate condom fucks for extended duration (since very slow to cum). These days, I am becoming more and more reluctant to use a condom, just isn't the same feel and enjoyment, this seems to be a sign of getting old. Once have been doing BB with a girl regularly, it is hard to go back to a condom, and still enjoy it enough. Still not as extreme as some guys who never fuck with a condom, but maybe heading that way.
Not sure what year the Viagra copies first came to Thailand. I guess 1999 or so. So before the turn of century we all had to survive with lots of nice fucking but no blue pill assist. Before then I had a Thai GF who had no stamina and she could only handle short sex sessions, and not that frequent, and BB, so not a problem. I never got enough.
I attach pics of my first thermae girl (photo of a photo 1991). I thought she was really cute at the time (big natural tits helped too). Today I would not rate her face that high. Got fussier in my old age. Yesteryear probably took many average looking girls thinking they were pretty at the time. When guys tell you they used to get a lot more pretty girls years ago, take that with a grain of salt. I want to see the pics as evidence. Maybe no one else is game to post their very old pics.
2nd pic is inside the Thermae. Sorry its a bit dark and can't see much. I doubt they would allow us to take a pic these days.
Stickman: "A little history: the Thermae massage parlour first opened its doors in 1966, and the 'coffee shop' below it quickly became a money-spinner. Open for 24 hours year around (barring official holidays and military coups) it was what American journalist Bernard Trink (The 'night Owl' of the Bangkok Post) called a 'constellation': a meeting place selling alcohol that was not subject to official bar working hours. Women from many surrounding bars flocked there after the official closing time of 2 AM to enjoy a drink with friends before heading home, or perhaps meet a rich farang. Unlike the infamous Coffee Shop at the Grace Hotel (Sukhumvit soi 3), the Thermae was a friendly place, in spite of the grubby surroundings newcomers entering the 'Grace' often sense a vaguely threatening atmosphere. ".
https://www.stickmanbangkok.com/readers-submissions/2013/01/the-legend-of-thermae/
My buddy that showed me the Thermae, first went there in about 1977. Hope to get a copy of some of his old photos soon. He reckons moving Thermae 50 metres in 1996 to under Ruamchit was the start of the death of it from an Expats point of view, however others still enjoyed it till early 2000's.
In it early days, Thermae was not necessarily for hookers, but also girls wanting a pick up (perhaps for free). Girls went for the whole night almost always. It gradually increased part time casual hookers needing a bit of extra money, toward hookers with high client turn over in the modern day (many wanting quickie jobs).
Early 90's Thermae was less crowded but may have had less seating too.
I guess Thermae is pronounced something like 'tur-may' (or tur-mare). In between those two.
In Thai:
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He reckons moving Thermae 50 metres in 1996 to under Ruamchit was the start of the death of it from an Expats point of view, however others still enjoyed it till early 2000's.Didn't thermae move twice around that time? I was spending a far bit of time in BKK in the 90's and kind of recall it moving, shutting down quickly and then reopening. I could be completely mistaken, those days were the pretty full-on party times of my youth.
I attach pics of my first thermae girl (photo of a photo 1991). I thought she was really cute at the time (big natural tits helped too). Today I would not rate her face that high. Got fussier in my old age. Yesteryear probably took many average looking girls thinking they were pretty at the time. When guys tell you they used to get a lot more pretty girls years ago, take that with a grain of salt. I want to see the pics as evidence. Maybe no one else is game to post their very old pics.
2nd pic is inside the Thermae. Sorry its a bit dark and can't see much. I doubt they would allow us to take a pic these days.BB was never an issue in the late 90's in Thailand.
Interesting. I think I have seen that girl before (not personally, just that the face looks interestingly familiar).
I also find her quite attractive. Her friend too.
They have that natural look that one finds less and less in BKK these days.
BB was never an issue in the late 90's in Thailand.
Interesting. I think I have seen that girl before (not personally, just that the face looks interestingly familiar).
I also find her quite attractive. Her friend too.
They have that natural look that one finds less and less in BKK these days.So you understand choosing was hard at first. I really liked both girls.
Yes in those days almost all the girls looked natural. Noses tended to be broader than what I go for now. My girl had a cheeky look too, like she knew she was "hot" with amazing high and wide slung natural almost Dee cup tits no sag. To use a western toilet, she perched / squated on the seat to pee. Ha ha. It was a sexy look too.
The two girls were the best looking in the place for my taste at the time, I think. I certainly would not have chased any average ones. Not stunning for the faces, but very acceptable for those that like a real Thai look which is what I was getting used to. Today's Thermae girls don't have this look, for the hair, for the nose, and tend to have a lot of surgeries and a more fake / plastic look, certainly looking closer to western looks.
Didn't thermae move twice around that time? I was spending a far bit of time in BKK in the 90's and kind of recall it moving, shutting down quickly and then reopening. I could be completely mistaken, those days were the pretty full-on party times of my youth.I wasn't really around at the time of the move, but my buddy who first went in about 1977 suggests it only moved once. You would need to specify the other location that is not just outside of Soi 13 and next to Miami Hotel.
It is possible there was an interim place for a short time, after mouth of Soi 13 closure, but I have no info on that, and the histories don't seem to mention it.
Lao girl tells me she had a deal with a possibly German Farang for 10 K Baht presumably 2 or 3 days (I don't know detail), an he stiffed her, failing to pay at the end. I would have advised her to accept payment day by day only, if she had consulted with me first. Hope he has extreme bad luck to make up for his black heart. Like to get robbed and bashed by ladyboys. Some guys are so proud to stiff a defenceless girl and end up with days of free sex. I would regard it as a freebie only if I handed over the money and the girl gave it back to me.
She is supposedly down to her last 200 Baht now. Can't pay the rent. Already has a child to support.
Now the killer blow. She can't work much longer as is pregnant. Mid December period failed to arrive, and she forgot her pill just once (maybe) early December. Doesn't deny copping a CIP. She could have got morning after pill if occurred to her but forgetting is forgetting I suppose. Maybe complacent. Unlike a western girl, she can't get an abortion due to religious beliefs, and the law. We don't even know if the baby will be white or black. She has no husband or BF and extremely weak English.
If she knows the likely father, did not tell. It is not me. I was not around at the relevant time, and I do not do CIP anyway, due to high danger. I plan a vasectomy soon.
All she has going for her right now is she is pretty. Maybe there are many guys wanting to do a pregnant girl. I am not warped that way.
Incredible tales of woe are so common, yet knowing her for 2 years plus, she is not generally giving big bullshit, so it is just possible her story is true, maybe embellished, hard to tell. She did not try to doctor the facts to make it look like I was the culprit.
I have my own set of dependents already, so I can't take on every hooker I happen to like. She needs incredible luck now to find a sponsor.
Reminds me slightly of the bad luck when a certain Tulip girl got accidentally pregnant with twins, after innocently picking wrong guy to be her partner and retiring from MPs, and that relationship failing. However she had good English and more chances to find a new guy maybe. Inside got twins by accident.
All the talk of STDs seems somewhat inconsequential to me. The big danger for girls is getting pregnant when abortion is not an option. I commend ET for his snip and intend to get done too this year. I don't want to be the cause of a girl disaster. Could happen to any nice guy or to assholes alike.
If you like to CIP guys, consider a vasectomy. That is the responsible thing. Unfortunately birth control methods are not totally reliable, most common weakness being to not take the pill when supposed to. At my age, I certainly don't need to making any babies.
Stickman: "A little history: the Thermae massage parlour first opened its doors in 1966, and the 'coffee shop' below it quickly became a money-spinner. Open for 24 hours year around (barring official holidays and military coups) it was what American journalist Bernard Trink (The 'night Owl' of the Bangkok Post) called a 'constellation': a meeting place selling alcohol that was not subject to official bar working hours. Women from many surrounding bars flocked there after the official closing time of 2 AM to enjoy a drink with friends before heading home, or perhaps meet a rich farang. Unlike the infamous Coffee Shop at the Grace Hotel (Sukhumvit soi 3), the Thermae was a friendly place, in spite of the grubby surroundings newcomers entering the 'Grace' often sense a vaguely threatening atmosphere. ".
https://www.stickmanbangkok.com/readers-submissions/2013/01/the-legend-of-thermae/
My buddy that showed me the Thermae, first went there in about 1977. Hope to get a copy of some of his old photos soon. He reckons moving Thermae 50 metres in 1996 to under Ruamchit was the start of the death of it from an Expats point of view, however others still enjoyed it till early 2000's.
In it early days, Thermae was not necessarily for hookers, but also girls wanting a pick up (perhaps for free). Girls went for the whole night almost always. It gradually increased part time casual hookers needing a bit of extra money, toward hookers with high client turn over in the modern day (many wanting quickie jobs).
Early 90's Thermae was less crowded but may have had less seating too.
I guess Thermae is pronounced something like 'tur-may' (or tur-mare). In between those two.
In Thai:
เธอร์เมI think I got the "clap" from a girl in the massage parlor upstairs, but not sure. Anyway, Thermae's at the time as I remember was exactly like your post. Yes it was small, (had booths in those days), I remember them well. I still have a scar on my head from being hit with a beer bottle from a deaf girl who I been with before who thought I was hers. Never went to the "Grace" that I remember, of course some of those days are a blur. Many nights after bar hours, there were so many girls that Thermae was crowded with only standing room. While definitely not a "rich Farang" there was never a problem finding a girl for the night, the only problems was remembering which you had taken before and trying not to piss them off if you didn't ask again. Several nights I left alone as it just got too questionable and confrontational to pick one.
Going back a long way to remember so may not be exact! As you went in there were booths to the left and we usually sat in the second booth. If girls happened to be in the booth they made room or the "boy" would tell them to get up for us. Regulars had a few perks in those days!
Quote from Syzygies.
"All the talk of STDs seems somewhat inconsequential to me. The big danger for girls is getting pregnant when abortion is not an option. I commend ET for his snip and intend to get done too this year. I don't want to be the cause of a girl disaster. Could happen to any nice guy or to assholes alike.
If you like to CIP guys, consider a vasectomy. That is the responsible thing. Unfortunately birth control methods are not totally reliable, most common weakness being to not take the pill when supposed to. At my age, I certainly don't need to making any babies. ".
I had the snip 26 years ago and the best thing I ever did. No difference in performance but so much safer regarding unwanted pregnancies. I have been told by a mate who has had prostate cancer that having a vasectomy is advantageous as well. I had it due to 2 unplanned kids with my ex missus and she didn't want a third and was probably planning her exit from our relationship at stage as well. I have had a third child sue to IVF.
I wonder though if I would have had the sense to have one if under different circumstances due to all the opinions regarding not cumming, can't get an erection and losing your libido, BTW all wrong.
I think I got the "clap" from a girl in the massage parlor upstairs, but not sure. Anyway, Thermae's at the time as I remember was exactly like your post. Yes it was small, (had booths in those days), I remember them well. I still have a scar on my head from being hit with a beer bottle from a deaf girl who I been with before who thought I was hers. Never went to the "Grace" that I remember, of course some of those days are a blur. Many nights after bar hours, there were so many girls that Thermae was crowded with only standing room. While definitely not a "rich Farang" there was never a problem finding a girl for the night, the only problems was remembering which you had taken before and trying not to piss them off if you didn't ask again. Several nights I left alone as it just got too questionable and confrontational to pick one.
Going back a long way to remember so may not be exact! As you went in there were booths to the left and we usually sat in the second booth. If girls happened to be in the booth they made room or the "boy" would tell them to get up for us. Regulars had a few perks in those days!I had fun with Thermae Soapy girls, once taking out 4 girls from Southern Thailand to an entertainment venue: Neung, Noi, Ew, and? My god they were extremely rowdy when drunk in the taxi. I had trouble to follow their southern dialect. Also attended the Thermae Soapy New Year party in late 1991 (like a Christmas party). Many regulars were Thais or Chinese.
I don't remember the old Thermae Coffee shop being small, but I guess certainly smaller than the current location. Wasn't cramped. I was usually standing up in there. Usually entered from the toilets area at the back. I do remember many times a guy would approach a girl and then go away (1991). Seemed to be slow to get a match and the deal done, or maybe guys were approaching but as yet undecided. I might ask my buddy why that was. Were the girls choosy, or guys stingy? I did not seem to have problems myself in those days but get plenty of non interested girls in the modern day. Maybe just an old sour face.
I liked repeating great girls, so no problems with switching girls. More disappointed when desired girls did not show up, having got enough money for their urgent need.
I wasn't really around at the time of the move, but my buddy who first went in about 1977 suggests it only moved once. You would need to specify the other location that is not just outside of Soi 13 and next to Miami Hotel.
It is possible there was an interim place for a short time, after mouth of Soi 13 closure, but I have no info on that, and the histories don't seem to mention it.I was mainly staying and partying around Patpong in those days so only went to Suk occasionally, so I wasn't really familiar with the soi setup back then. It was just one of those thoughts that popped into my head when I read about Thermae moving. I strangely recall it may have been in Clinton plaza for a bit, that was the place the was built and pulled down after 18 months or so.
Anyone, been spending most of the past 20+ years travelling ad living in SEA, so the old times (and me getting older) are becoming more of a blur.
So you understand choosing was hard at first. I really liked both girls.
Yes in those days almost all the girls looked natural. Noses tended to be broader than what I go for now. My girl had a cheeky look too, like she knew she was "hot" with amazing high and wide slung natural almost Dee cup tits no sag. To use a western toilet, she perched / squated on the seat to pee. Ha ha. It was a sexy look too.
The two girls were the best looking in the place for my taste at the time, I think. I certainly would not have chased any average ones. Not stunning for the faces, but very acceptable for those that like a real Thai look which is what I was getting used to. Today's Thermae girls don't have this look, for the hair, for the nose, and tend to have a lot of surgeries and a more fake / plastic look, certainly looking closer to western looks.Those two girls would be the best looking girls in Thermae today. (for my taste).
Yes, I heavily lean toward natural look and both of these girls are naturally very pretty. If one or both had a great natural rack, then you achieved Thai Valhalla.
I used to know a guy (alas passed away) who was an expat in BKK and specialized in finding Thai girls with big natural breasts.
The way the girls style themselves and put makeup on for the Asian mongers in Thermae is a big turnoff for me. But hey, I understand. They're not dressing for ME.... But for Haruto or Jin Ho.
interestingly enough.. my one Thermae girl who is very popular with Japanese clients.. is actually very natural looking, very little makeup but she is not Isaan farmgirl, has more Chinese features, slightly westernized and white skin.... though she has a big silicone rack.
Banana Boi
01-09-20, 23:51
Just goes to show when someone says there are lots of good looking girls in a place or the place is full of dogs always take that statement with a HUGE grain of salt.
If those 2 girls resembled the best looking Thai girls in the Good Old Days in the 1990's then I would have been going home alone and reminiscing about the Good Old Days in the 1960's! Not my type at all. I am a face guy and those 2 girls have extremely flat, wide African noses. No thanks. I prefer girls who have more of an European, JAV, or KPOP look.
This is an example of a natural looking Asian girl I would have went for in the late 1980s and early 1990s.
If those 2 girls resembled the best looking Thai girls in the Good Old Days in the 1990's then I would have been going home alone and reminiscing about the Good Old Days in the 1960's! Not my type at all. It was an example of the real Thai look (we got used it), and broad noses would have been common in the 1960's too, not much different. I was less fussy in those days coming from being used to average girls in home country.
The two girls were from Phitsanulok (mid North of Thailand).
They were the best for my taste at the time, but not for my Buddy who was with me. He had a different taste altogether. He liked voluptuous girls that I would call fat. Maybe some other girl in the room would have looked okay For your taste, who knows? I am much more fussy about nose shape these days, and GF does not have a broad nose nor nose surgery. Small upturned. I also never liked hook noses which are common in the modern day, with surgeries.
The girl in your pic, has a somewhat broad nose possibly reduced by surgery. Very few girls had nose jobs in 1991, I guess. Maybe your spec would have been difficult to find. Unfortunately your pic was very over exposed (washed out) losing a lot of detail so nose can only be seen very vaguely. Is it a girl you did from Thermae?
Many posters supposedly don't care about noses too much. Ha ha.
HorseTrader
01-10-20, 08:10
If she knows the likely father, did not tell. It is not me. I was not around at the relevant time, and I do not do CIP anyway, due to high danger. I plan a vasectomy soon.
Vasectomy is highly recommended for every man who is certain that they don't want any more children. I got a vasectomy 20 years ago after my steady girlfriend secretly pulled off my condom while changing from missionary to cowgirl. Although she had 2 previous abortions, she told me she would keep the baby if I should get her pregnant because I'm such a nice guy. The next day I called a urologist and scheduled a vasectomy.
For those who have had vasectomies, you need to have them checked occasionally. It turns out that my first vasectomy failed after 1 or 2 years and I needed a second vasectomy. I learned of my problem through testing, nobody got pregnant.
The vasectomy procedure is simple. Very little agony, perhaps a little worse than having a small cavity filled, not nearly as much agony as having a tooth pulled.
Member #4698
01-12-20, 22:51
I don't know whether I should post this report here or in the Stupid Things on the Internet thread. 555.
For the last 2 days I have been unable to open the ISG. I assumed it was a small connectivity problem on the other end and ISG would be back in business soon. I was experiencing no problems opening any of the other girly sites I like visit so I just went about my business.
Then 5 minutes ago after not getting through to the ISG once AGAIN, I logged onto NordVPN, my VPN app and chose the USA as my location and bingo: here I am. So what the fuck is going on? IS my internet provider suddenly censoring the ISG. That would be very peculiar since only the ISG is singled out. Additionally this lock out occurred on Chrome, Edge, and FireFox. Anybody got any ideas or experiencing the same issue?
Normally I only use NordVPN when I am traveling or when I am planning to download some porn and I want to sort of hide my location and identity. But if this ISG fail to connect BS is the new normal on my machine in my home, I guess I will use NordVPM all the time until I figure out what is going on. It is good to be back!
Natty,
Can't comment on USA of course but some Internet providers in Thailand disable ISG as well, and some Hotels. Generally I get worse internet service in Hotels, so I just use my phone Internet which is now MyCat, supposedly getting up to 6 Mbps non controlled and unlimited. Strangely my home internet (also CAT) in remote location is faster for magnet downloads (I don't use a normal TV in Thailand anymore), but weaker for interactive response time to another country. Don't quite understand, but just use the phone internet mostly. Its amazingly good even very remote.
Internet providers should be minding their own business.
I don't know whether I should post this report here or in the Stupid Things on the Internet thread. 555.
For the last 2 days I have been unable to open the ISG. I assumed it was a small connectivity problem on the other end and ISG would be back in business soon. I was experiencing no problems opening any of the other girly sites I like visit so I just went about my business.
Then 5 minutes ago after not getting through to the ISG once AGAIN, I logged onto NordVPN, my VPN app and chose the USA as my location and bingo: here I am. So what the fuck is going on? IS my internet provider suddenly censoring the ISG. That would be very peculiar since only the ISG is singled out. Additionally this lock out occurred on Chrome, Edge, and FireFox. Anybody got any ideas or experiencing the same issue?
Normally I only use NordVPN when I am traveling or when I am planning to download some porn and I want to sort of hide my location and identity. But if this ISG fail to connect BS is the new normal on my machine in my home, I guess I will use NordVPM all the time until I figure out what is going on. It is good to be back!The only time I use a VPN is to fool Amazon or watch NBC or Fox Sports. Or when I am in China. It matters not to me about porn, I leave my location history on and don't hide my searches so my heirs can review same and understand exactly how much of a low life I really am.
HorseTrader
01-13-20, 05:51
For the last 2 days I have been unable to open the ISG. I assumed it was a small connectivity problem on the other end and ISG would be back in business soon. I was experiencing no problems opening any of the other girly sites I like visit so I just went about my business.I had simmilar issue in the USA. There was at least 24 hours where ISG was not available through my laptop, iPhone, or iPad. I tried the iPhone using both my home WiFi and my cellular data plan. Nothing worked. No VPN was used. At the same time, the sister site, USASexGuide.nl, was working fine. Now, everything works fine.
Member #4698
01-13-20, 19:28
Internet providers should be minding their own business.
I had simmilar issue in the USA. There was at least 24 hours where ISG was not available through my laptop, iPhone, or iPad. I tried the iPhone using both my home WiFi and my cellular data plan. Nothing worked. No VPN was used. At the same time, the sister site, USASexGuide.nl, was working fine. Now, everything works fine.This is the error message I was receiving when I tried to connect to the ISG:
Internationalsexguide. NL took too long to respond.
Try:
Checking the connection.
Checking the proxy and the firewall.
Running Windows Network Diagnostics.
ERR_CONNECTION_TIMED_OUT.
As I reported, the problem disappeared immediately after I signed onto my VPN app and chose a different IP address. But later that night, it came to me that somehow my real IP address had been flagged or blacklisted for this particular site. That sounds crazy, but what other explanation could there be? Anyway, before I was about to call AT&T tech support, my internet provider, to report the problem and ask them to switch my port and / or assign me a new dynamic IP, I decided to unplug my AT&T gateway modem for 30 minutes to flush its memory, which I did. Then when I powered the damn thing back up, voila, the connect problem was gone and I was able to connect to ISG without using the VPN app. Case Closed. Happy Happy Happy!
The only time I use a VPN is to fool Amazon or watch NBC or Fox Sports. Or when I am in China. It matters not to me about porn, I leave my location history on and don't hide my searches so my heirs can review same and understand exactly how much of a low life I really am.555! I don't care what my heirs think about my infatuation with young Asian hookers or my preference for Japanese Lesbian porn as they spend their inheritances which I will eventually leave them. I am pretty sure my tastes and life style is way beyond what they can even imagine, the poor, beguiled, confused, little woke-tards, bless their tiny weeny California hearts. Ha Ha. But I am cautious about revealing where I go and what I do on the internet to unknown dark lurkers out there. VPN apps and other apps designed to help surf the web as anonymously as possible are a good thing, IMHO, although nothing is foolproof.
But you are right, in practical terms one of the most useful things about VPN apps is their ability to get around local government censorship like the one in Communist China. I wouldn't leave home without a VPN app on my phone or laptop.
That sounds crazy, but what other explanation could there be?The server is in Malaysia, we were having a DDoS issue for awhile. I haven't been in the US for ages and I was having the same issue. Sometimes VPN's just work better, I dunno why, sometimes they make it slow as shit too.
I have seen it for awhile so I think whatever anti prostitution group that was hitting us stopped.
On a separate issue I have an old style little head 100 dollar bill that I can't change anywhere (haven't been in the US in ages) which anybody could use or deposit anywhere in the land of the big PX. If you're headed back that way and want to do me a solid I'll come to you and take baht (or a new 100 bill). There's nothing wrong with the bill, it's not even marked up, it's just old style and nobody wants it anywhere.
You can PM me at Admin2 if you can hook a brother up. I (actually secretary) will come to you, all you need do is have 3000 baht.
A2.
I don't know whether I should post this report here or in the Stupid Things on the Internet thread. 555.
For the last 2 days I have been unable to open the ISG. I assumed it was a small connectivity problem on the other end and ISG would be back in business soon. I was experiencing no problems opening any of the other girly sites I like visit so I just went about my business.
Then 5 minutes ago after not getting through to the ISG once AGAIN, I logged onto NordVPN, my VPN app and chose the USA as my location and bingo: here I am. So what the fuck is going on? IS my internet provider suddenly censoring the ISG. That would be very peculiar since only the ISG is singled out. Additionally this lock out occurred on Chrome, Edge, and FireFox. Anybody got any ideas or experiencing the same issue?
Normally I only use NordVPN when I am traveling or when I am planning to download some porn and I want to sort of hide my location and identity. But if this ISG fail to connect BS is the new normal on my machine in my home, I guess I will use NordVPM all the time until I figure out what is going on. It is good to be back!Not sure where you tried ISG from but it is indeed censored in many countries. My country, Bangladesh has it censored, I faced similar issue last time I visited Singapore and also Indonesia. Fortunately I have 2 good VPNs (Proton and Pure), both work fine if I select USA or Ozzie server.
Hey all,
I figure this might be the best sub forum to post this discussion in. I've seen similar discussions in the report sections, but thought the lounge might be a better place given it's not a report.
Currently, August round trip flights out of O'Hate are less than $600 during the month of August & September.
What are your all's thoughts? Think things will be open for travel by then? Things starting to get back to normal?
I figure if anything, flight can be refunded, voucher given, or credit for the future.
Hope you all are well and staying safe during this trying time.
Warm regards.
Almond.
HorseTrader
04-18-20, 04:04
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Currently, August round trip flights out of O'Hate are less than $600 during the month of August & September.
What are your all's thoughts? Think things will be open for travel by then? Things starting to get back to normal?
I figure if anything, flight can be refunded, voucher given, or credit for the future.
I noticed something similar for my location to Bangkok in October. Price was low, so I was tempted to buy now. Unlimited schedule changes were allowed, but, there was a time limit when all your flights had to be completed (I think maybe January). If things aren't better by then, you could get stuck with unusable airline tickets. Be sure to check the details for refunds. I didn't buy.
I also worry that some of the airlines may not survive.
Not sure where you tried ISG from but it is indeed censored in many countries. My country, Bangladesh has it censored, I faced similar issue last time I visited Singapore and also Indonesia. Fortunately I have 2 good VPNs (Proton and Pure), both work fine if I select USA or Ozzie server.Indeed, I'm in the LOS and left an ISG tab open on my tablet. The next morning I had one of those messages asking me to complete a captcha as a result of "suspicious activity detected on your network".
Thai authorities disapprove of certain content and actively monitor traffic to detect such. Use those VPNs!
Member #4698
04-18-20, 04:31
Hey all,
Currently, August round trip flights out of O'Hate are less than $600 during the month of August & September. What are your all's thoughts? Think things will be open for travel by then? Things starting to get back to normal?
I figure if anything, flight can be refunded, voucher given, or credit for the future.
Hope you all are well and staying safe during this trying time.
Warm regards.
Almond.Out of Chicago, so I assume you are talking about a United ticket. I rescheduled my original April flight with United for mid August a month ago. Mid August was the farthest out departure date United was willing to reschedule me for at that time.
Know one knows what the situation will be like in Mid August. If flights are still grounded I am sure I will be able to reschedule once again. But if the flight is not cancelled and Thailand has a 14 day quarantine period for new foreign arrivals I will most likely be screwed ie no refund or reschedule.
I don't expect Thailand will be back to it's good old ways by mid August. That is too soon to expect a full return back to normal. I expect many bars will never re-open although some will hopefully be open again by mid August. Same Same for massage parlors. I expect many restaurants may not make it either. Social distancing & temperature checks will be enforced at all mall entrances, hotels, brick and mortar restaurants, and nightclubs. I do expect that there will be lots of available girls and not many tourists in mid August. It will be interesting. Adventurous Punters will have to be flexible and adapt under these unusual circumstances.
So bottom line I will go in mid August because I miss the girls and I am getting tired of living in the USA, but I will only go if:
#1. My flight is not cancelled
#2. The Thai government allows American Citizens in for 30 days with no quarantine,
#3. Both BKK & Pattaya have free mobility intra city and inter city, and
#4. The USA will allow my unfettered return.
Unfortunately all 4 of my criteria are big ifs at this moment, but I am somewhat hopeful things will work out and I will be able to go. I think that although Thailand will be a very different place in Mid August / September and definitely not fully recovered, I think it might be really great and uniquely memorable in many unforeseen ways in the immediate post Pandemic period.
If things aren't better by then, you could get stuck with unusable airline tickets. Be sure to check the details for refunds..Yeah I learned that the hard way years ago. Now I book everything through American Express Travel. If there's an issue they deal with it. I called and asked and it's a guaranteed refund if the airline cancels, or I can do a credit voucher.
Best.
Almond.
BMoreDog69
04-20-20, 17:30
I have Proton and others, but for ease of use, I really have grown to like Surf Shark, which has a browser extension for my laptop and tablet. One click, and it's running.
Indeed, I'm in the LOS and left an ISG tab open on my tablet. The next morning I had one of those messages asking me to complete a captcha as a result of "suspicious activity detected on your network".
Thai authorities disapprove of certain content and actively monitor traffic to detect such. Use those VPNs!
Lucky Nuts
04-28-20, 00:28
Can I visit the Bangkok Thai Immigration Bureau office and pay the 1900 baht fee to extend my visa another 30 days the same day I arrive Thailand resulting in a 60 day total? Or only at the tail end of the first 30 days winding down? Can anyone speak from experience how long the process takes at the Bureau office?
Is there health insurance that can be acquired that would allow you to move from country to country without having to sign up for different policies? For example if you wanted to stay in Thailand for three months and then move to the Philippines for three months and then move back to Thailand for a short time.
Is there health insurance that can be acquired that would allow you to move from country to country without having to sign up for different policies? For example if you wanted to stay in Thailand for three months and then move to the Philippines for three months and then move back to Thailand for a short time.Yes. Look for policies geared towards resident expat workers who travel.
Cheers. G.
Yes. Look for policies geared towards resident expat workers who travel.I have Cigna expat insurance but it isn't cheap. I have evacuation coverage included in mine which is quite a bit of the premium but you may not need it. World Nomads is a popular one.
Monger Longer
07-26-20, 16:03
Alright, so I came across some videos on PornHub of these guys who made these videos about mongering in BKK and Pattaya in the 90's and they were selling tours and teaching people how to retire there. They were cheesy as hell, but they were probably about as good as it got for a mid-90's indie project in Thailand. Interesting to look back on what things were like 20-30 years ago before everyone had a camera. Anyhow, I'm curious, what happened to these guys? I did some Google searching and I can hardly find any information. It looks like there was a 60 Minutes interview with one of the guys in 1996 about his book, but other than that, it looks like there were some crusaders out for their heads and then nothing. Does anybody know anything about these dudes?
Peter V. Stanton aka Mac Horn aka the Asia Answerman (His Santa Monica company was PVS Publishing. The address is a UPS Store now.) Wrote the book: A Gentleman's Guide to the Exotic Women of Southeast Asia and maybe another one called Thailand 2000.
Eric Dexter is the guy in the videos explaining things.
Not sure if they had anything to do with ExoticThaiVacations (it's watermarked on their PH videos) or TheManTour, but it was the same business idea.
I'm just curious what happened. They seem to have just vanished. Did they just abandon the business? Did the crusaders get them? Were they into nefarious things and get arrested? Something else interesting?
Alright, so I came across some videos on PornHub of these guys who made these videos about mongering in BKK and Pattaya in the 90's and they were selling tours and teaching people how to retire there. They were cheesy as hell, but they were probably about as good as it got for a mid-90's indie project in Thailand. Interesting to look back on what things were like 20-30 years ago before everyone had a camera. Anyhow, I'm curious, what happened to these guys? I did some Google searching and I can hardly find any information. It looks like there was a 60 Minutes interview with one of the guys in 1996 about his book, but other than that, it looks like there were some crusaders out for their heads and then nothing. Does anybody know anything about these dudes?
Peter V. Stanton aka Mac Horn aka the Asia Answerman (His Santa Monica company was PVS Publishing. The address is a UPS Store now.) Wrote the book: A Gentleman's Guide to the Exotic Women of Southeast Asia and maybe another one called Thailand 2000.
Eric Dexter is the guy in the videos explaining things.
Not sure if they had anything to do with ExoticThaiVacations (it's watermarked on their PH videos) or TheManTour, but it was the same business idea.
I'm just curious what happened. They seem to have just vanished. Did they just abandon the business? Did the crusaders get them? Were they into nefarious things and get arrested? Something else interesting?I've never been to Pornhub and don't know the guys you mentioned. My guess is they just got old, got tired of the p4 p scene every night, maybe made their money, and got out. My Thailand experience started with visiting a now defunct website called Travel and the Single Male (TSM) back in the mid-late 90's. They would occasionally schedule meet ups in Thailand. I attended one of those on my first trip and met some of the guys to hit the gogos together. Best trip ever. Do we have any TSMers on ISG? The website owner made a ton of money (I believe) on that website but got into trouble over some negative reporting that was false and misleading. He was permanently barred from returning to Thailand. He is the only one I know that got into trouble but surely there were others.
I've never been to Pornhub and don't know the guys you mentioned. My guess is they just got old, got tired of the p4 p scene every night, maybe made their money, and got out. Unfortunately, most of the really old trailblazers died out. Either litterally from drinking themselves to death or figuratively from making enemies of the wrong people and being forced away. A significant number also found them selves on the wrong side of the law and in jail or banished for good. Drugs, gangbang rings or too much of a good thing feature highly.
This a shame that not many lasted to tell their stories because I'm sure they would have had many to tell. 😁.
G.
Alright, so I came across some videos on PornHub of these guys who made these videos about mongering in BKK and Pattaya in the 90's and they were selling tours and teaching people how to retire there. They were cheesy as hell, but they were probably about as good as it got for a mid-90's indie project in Thailand. Interesting to look back on what things were like 20-30 years ago before everyone had a camera. Anyhow, I'm curious, what happened to these guys? I did some Google searching and I can hardly find any information. It looks like there was a 60 Minutes interview with one of the guys in 1996 about his book, but other than that, it looks like there were some crusaders out for their heads and then nothing. Does anybody know anything about these dudes?
Peter V. Stanton aka Mac Horn aka the Asia Answerman (His Santa Monica company was PVS Publishing. The address is a UPS Store now.) Wrote the book: A Gentleman's Guide to the Exotic Women of Southeast Asia and maybe another one called Thailand 2000.
Eric Dexter is the guy in the videos explaining things.
Not sure if they had anything to do with ExoticThaiVacations (it's watermarked on their PH videos) or TheManTour, but it was the same business idea.
I'm just curious what happened. They seem to have just vanished. Did they just abandon the business? Did the crusaders get them? Were they into nefarious things and get arrested? Something else interesting?I bought some of their books and VHS videos when I was vacationing and mongering regularly in Asia during the 90's and already planning to retire early and live here. I didn't pack and bring the books with me when I finally did move to Thailand about 8 years ago but I did think to transfer some of my favorite VHS videos of theirs to DVD. I suppose I still have them somewhere in a storage box in a closet or cabinet around here.
I enjoyed them. I would often see "Beautiful Asian Girls" pop up and featured in their videos that I had fucked on one of my recent vacations to the Philippines or Thailand in those days.
I happened to run into both of those guys in Angeles City around that time, sitting in Margarita Station cafe on Field Ave. Just enough to tell them I was a fan of their books and videos, chat a bit about the scene at the moment and so on.
As I recall, either one or both of them got banned from Thailand for what they showed in those videos. Or almost were. I could be wrong about that. But I assumed the trouble was one reason they stopped producing any videos because they both were trying to live a life of leisure in Asia.
Oh, the other thing was the funny, chubby one with a mustache (don't remember the name he used) pitched a plan to live for the rest of your life in the Philippines or Thailand in one of those videos. And the centerpiece of the plan was to get together $100,000 USD and put it in an interest bearing account or stock market fund of your choice, whatever. Then all you had to do was pull out about $10,000 USD per year, which in those days was enough to squeak by on rent, food and some GF and paid pussy in those countries. In fact, maybe just $90,000 USD would be enough.
Of course, in his scenario the bank interest, stock market or whatever would always grow to replace that $10,000 USD every year, your initial $100,000 or maybe $90,000 USD would never really diminish much, costs in those countries would never really rise much, you'd never need to fly out of those countries or pay for medical issues in your old age and viola, you're set for life! Easy Peasy! LOL.
That was in the mid 1990's, before the Bear Market Crash of 2001, the bigger Bear Market Crash of 2008, etc.
Actually, those guys did cross my mind in the 2000's because I honestly wondered how their initial $100,000/$90,000 USD Life Retirement Income base was working for them by then. And by now since the USA stock market has had 2 Bear Market Crashes and essentially gone nowhere over the past 2 1/2 years.
I heard last March on another site that "Mac Horn" committed suicide.
Streetmeat Asia porn site were big back then with naughty Nigel and monkeyman. Nigel died a few years back but don't know what happened to monkeyman who named because he was very hairy.
Peeasianporn site vanished as well, their videos were time limited and deleted themselves so none still exist.
Ran across two youtube video's that are based in the Philippines but might be an interesting view for guys surfing the Thailand forum. In both countries there are girls who specifically look for foreign guys for serious relationships. I've never seen anything like these where a local girl asks another local girl what she thinks about foreigners and if she'd want a foreign boyfriend. Some of these girls are pretty cute. Have to wonder what a local Thai girl might say to these questions, a province girl not one who's living and working in a city like Pattaya. We've all seen payforplay girls over several nights and many have had the conversation turn to it becoming a serious relationship, how she'd take care of us when we get old. Many look at it as 'dating' even though money is being collected for said services. Money always gets involved any way you look at it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVXyT-Hsr9w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gogF9XXKh1s&t=2s
Again the video's are out of the Philippines, maybe a different mindset for Thai girls vs Filipino girls. I know Thai's treat mixed children differently, look down on them so maybe that plays into what a Thai might say about a foreign boyfriend.
Ran across two youtube video's that are based in the Philippines but might be an interesting view for guys surfing the Thailand forum. In both countries there are girls who specifically look for foreign guys for serious relationships. I've never seen anything like these where a local girl asks another local girl what she thinks about foreigners and if she'd want a foreign boyfriend. Some of these girls are pretty cute. Have to wonder what a local Thai girl might say to these questions, a province girl not one who's living and working in a city like Pattaya. We've all seen payforplay girls over several nights and many have had the conversation turn to it becoming a serious relationship, how she'd take care of us when we get old. Many look at it as 'dating' even though money is being collected for said services. Money always gets involved any way you look at it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVXyT-Hsr9w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gogF9XXKh1s&t=2s
Again the video's are out of the Philippines, maybe a different mindset for Thai girls vs Filipino girls. I know Thai's treat mixed children differently, look down on them so maybe that plays into what a Thai might say about a foreign boyfriend.I would be more interested in how Thai or Philippine girls respond to those questions when there is no foreigner conducting the interview, handling the microphone, manning the camera or anywhere around at all. Just have another girl from their own country present and asking the questions while only appearing to record it on audio, not video (video record with a hidden camera).
I think that is the best way to get the most candid, honest and complete answers to those kind of questions, least influenced, good or bad, by the presence of a foreigner right in front of them.
Naturally, voice-over or subtitled translations would be required. The girls are going to answer more readily and fully in their own language anyway.
Doing it the way they did it in that first video is pretty much worthless, imo. They admitted they didn't get much value out of it as well.
On the issue of whether or not Thai girls would answer differently than Philippine girls, I think there was one instance that rang familiar to me (it's been a couple of decades since I have been to the Philippines). That was when the Philippine girl indicated one thing she liked about dating a foreigner was that she really wanted to move from the Philippines and live in whatever foreign country.
I don't think many Thai girls feel that way. I remember Philippine girls always talking about their dream being to someday live in America. But not Thai girls.
Generally speaking, Thai people really like Thailand, like being Thai, like Thai culture, like eating Thai food every day with other Thai people and don't give much of a shit about other countries. They have little or no interest in living somewhere else.
Thai people going somewhere else for a vacation? Great. Count them in. But to move out of Thailand and live somewhere else, especially in the West? Not so much.
Gaijin Gigolo
09-15-20, 05:16
Still possible? I had plans to move to Thailand and teach but not sure when this will be possible again give the current virus situation. Intel please?
Still possible? I had plans to move to Thailand and teach but not sure when this will be possible again give the current virus situation. Intel please?https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1148496-thailand-to-recruit-10000-foreign-teachers-to-boost-english-standards-of-thai-kids/
Again the video's are out of the Philippines, maybe a different mindset for Thai girls vs Filipino girls. I know Thai's treat mixed children differently, look down on them so maybe that plays into what a Thai might say about a foreign boyfriend.Is that why there are so many "mixed children" staring in various tv-shows, adds, etc. In Thailand? Thais may look down on the average foreigner (and if I were Thai, I think I'd do too, with all due respect), but except for in the higher stratums of Thai society (which I've not partaken in myself, even though I'm sure that will come as surprise to most everyone here), it seems "mixed children" are considered especially cute and adorable. I can only guess a much larger portion of them than pure Thai children grow up to become famous in some beneficial way. So I think you are wrong about that particular point.
Apart from that, I agree with what EihTooms said. The average Thai loves Thailand and is happy to stay in Thailand. The opposite applies to Filipinos, who will view a foreigner, virtually any foreigner, as a chance to get out of their hell-hole country.
Mr Enternational
09-17-20, 03:10
Is that why there are so many "mixed children" staring in various tv-shows, adds, etc. In Thailand? Thais may look down on the average foreigner (and if I were Thai, I think I'd do too, with all due respect), but except for in the higher stratums of Thai society (which I've not partaken in myself, even though I'm sure that will come as surprise to most everyone here), it seems "mixed children" are considered especially cute and adorable. I can only guess a much larger portion of them than pure Thai children grow up to become famous in some beneficial way. So I think you are wrong about that particular point.Half of Thailand is already mixed, so that would not be a reason to look down on anyone here. All these white-skin folk that mongers drool over are Chinese-Thai. Look at the color of the king. It is nothing like the Chinese-Thai. Then you have the Indian-Thai. Then you have the people along the border that are mixes with Lao or Cambodian. The people in the south that are mixed with Malaysian. And so forth and so on. Remember that Bangkok and Pattaya are not the real Thailand. They are fronts for foreigners and people of means. Go home with one of those chicks if you want to see the real Thailand. But then you are ruining your experience and would probably be bored to death; and those people don't have the werewithal to be looking down on other people. For what? Enjoy the show that is in front of your eyes and stop trying to go behind the scene to see how the sausage is made.
GettingFedUp
09-23-20, 07:26
Still possible? I had plans to move to Thailand and teach but not sure when this will be possible again give the current virus situation. Intel please?GG,
Moving to Thailand and then getting a teaching job (in that order) not possible at the moment. The only non-Thais permitted entry are spouses or parents of Thais, Work Permit or Permanant Residence Certificate Holders, etc.
If you are able to secure a teaching job before arrival and the employer can arrange the necessary documentation (visa and work permit) then you can contact the Embassy / Consulate where you are now to make arrangements to come here. Firstly you will join the queue for the "Foreigner Quota" on a repatriation flight (the only inbound flights available). Once your turn comes you will need to make a reservation and pay for an Alternative State Quarantine hotel for a 14 day stay on arrival in effective isolation at the expense of either you or your employer at a cost of THB 35,000to over 200,000 for the stay. They will give instructions on paying for the flight (which must be done at this stage). You will also need a cetificate of insurance specifically stating $100,000 of medical cover for Covid-19. Armed with these it's back to the Embassy to obtain a Certificate of Entry.
So now you just need to go to the airport, right? Err, wrong. At check-in you will need to produce a negative Covid certificate from an rt-PCR test and a "Fit to Fly" Certificate signed by a physician, both timed less than 72 hours before departure. Test positive and you won't be getting on the flight. Test results not back in time likewise. I have heard an anecdotal report of a degree of flexibility on the time (for instance the test is some hours outside the 72 hour window but the doctor certifying Fit to Fly has written "Covid negative confirmed by rt-PCR" on it within the 72 hour time. I have also read of people being refused the flight because one or other document was just outside the time limit.
Fall at any of these hurdles and your flight payment will be lost. Some ASQ hotels allow re-booking at a future date, others allow limited flexibility, most have a no-change and no refund policy.
Good luck.
PedroMorales
09-06-21, 23:14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyoQ0llFtu4
This guy's story of a Thai Isaan hooker is a common one but well done with animation's and Nat's voice. I wonder how many farangs were hard hit be why Nats and Leks and how many Nats and Leks invested their money wisely.
Member #4753
09-07-21, 00:48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyoQ0llFtu4
This guy's story of a Thai Isaan hooker is a common one but well done with animation's and Nat's voice. I wonder how many farangs were hard hit be why Nats and Leks and how many Nats and Leks invested their money wisely.The Thailand bound channel constantly has the same story over and over. Apparently they are sent in by subscribers but are very very similar.
HorseTrader
09-07-21, 18:37
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyoQ0llFtu4
This guy's story of a Thai Isaan hooker is a common one but well done with animation's and Nat's voice. I wonder how many farangs were hard hit be why Nats and Leks and how many Nats and Leks invested their money wisely.
The Thailand bound channel constantly has the same story over and over. Apparently they are sent in by subscribers but are very very similar.I have one USA friend who already lost his life's savings to a similar situation with a non bar girl. He is now back in USA living on whatever modest social security he earned after stopping work in USA at age 55. I have another farang friend who married a former Thai government worker and then spent a lot of money building a beautiful house in Thailand. That marriage is still going strong, but he will lose that investment any time his Thai wife wants him gone or when she dies.
This sort of occurrence is not limited to bar girls.
It is my understanding that farang can own condo, but not land. With Thailand government tendency to change rules, I will never even buy condo. If I ever move to Thailand, I will rent.
IndoStocks
09-07-21, 21:18
Met the guy who set up TSM in Cartagena back in 2004. There was a Belgian guy there that I stayed with who was heavily into TSM activities while living and renting apartments near Hotel Almirante.
I later went on the prowl with this guy who I think was called be. See. I don't think it is allowed to mention the guy's real name. Later on I flew to Panama and we went on the same plane with he flying onwards to LA. He invited me to come to sit with him in First as I was travelling Economy at the time. I subscribed to TSM for about 10 years from 1995 to 2005.
There was some terrific characters there.
Member #4753
09-08-21, 01:44
It is my understanding that farang can own condo, but not land. With Thailand government tendency to change rules, I will never even buy condo. If I ever move to Thailand, I will rent.There are also lots of guys here that purchased a condo only to see the value halve over a 10 year period. This is particularly common in the southern island areas.
Always best to rent rather than buy. Best to leave the investments safely in a developed country and just send it what is needed.
PedroMorales
09-08-21, 09:00
I have seen these no hopers myself. I even saw a youngish tough Brit (tatts, bling etc) at a Pattaya pool being warned by his mates but he wouldn't listen. The manager of a 2nd Road hotel I stayed at married a go go dancer and it worked out. I told pals in Pattaya about a bloke back home who married a Thai and they owned a sting of investment properties in Thailand. After they all almost immediately died form heart attacks, I said it was going well so far.
Although the bank (hookers) always wins, it is a strange deal, like flies eternally walking into a web. Although the numbers of caught farang are probably small percentage wise, it must be devastating for those caught. Plus, the hookers know no better. They don't have the ethic of putting in shift after shift for a mediocre life. Still, fascinating to watch and wonder at.
I learned from a local expat in Bangkok, before the fucking pandemic, the following routine: Start with a testicle massage in the afternoon to prepare for sex, but not ejaculating because it would be with an older lady skilled in that particular technique and not deemed worthy of receiving your sperm. Afterwards, it's off to a soapy to relax with a younger girl for a nuru, a massage and a splendid fuck. Then usually to dinner, perhaps meeting up with a pal, then afterwards you'd hit the bars until you found one worthy of a bar fine. No need for a wingman, everyone is an ace in Bangkok. If the stripper that caught your eye was a LT. A barfine for a "long time" tryst. She'the sleep over and you'the get a second pop or BBBJTCIM in the morning. Then repeat the process the next day, ad infinitum.
When I visited Thailand solo, I'd usually schedule a few days in Bangkok to implement my own version of this ritual, which I called the FuMBO process. Fuck My Brains Out. What I'the do first is go to a massage parlor for a warm up testicle massage from an older but skilled masseuse, whom I'the deny the pop and subsequent tip, then afterwards head over to some soapy offering 100 beauties so I could pick a "model" for a truly fulfilling 2 hour session (pop #1). Afterwards, I'the head out to dinner with friends. Sometimes to a cool restaurant or sometimes to a food court, depending. An outdoor food court is usually more fun, but if it's really hot, then in an air conditioned shopping mall. Afterwards, we head over to Nana Plaza or Soi Cowboy for some bar hopping until we found stunners to take back to the hotel. I would usually throw the gal back into the water after a ST (pop #2), which let me sleep better. Of course, if she were really special, I'd offer LT. But in most cases, the contents were not as interesting as the packaging in a strip bar. I'the go for a walk after she left, to enjoy some street food, like a bag of chilled papaya with lime or some satay. Eventually, I aways seemed to end up in front of Lolita's blowjob bar. How could I resist a nightcap BBBJTCIM? (pop #3). Every so often, I'd go for a 2 am therapeutic massage that only costs $20, which I'd do because it's not something you see in the US. And invariably, the masseuse would offer a handjob or blowjob but I was usually simply too tired to agree. But then sometimes, I'the let them blow me for a while just because it felt nice.
For a change, I'the visit Eden Club instead of the soapy, where I'the get two women, double BBBJ, rim / BBBJ combo, double fucking, fucking while getting pegged, greek, girl on girl, MSOG, no limits, true PSE, totally mind-blowing! The standard practice is that you pick a young and pretty one, and she picks an older sister to join us, to spread the wealth. Last time I was there, I chatted with Micky the owner, a French expat, who let me pick two young ones for an absolutely heavenly session. Being nice to people has its rewards.
On the last trip, I found my aging body slowing down, and I went to Analisa in the afternoon for a milking table session with two girls. It included a testicle massage, and ninety minutes with two pops only cost $70! Afterwards, I went for a long walk to gawk at all the girls sitting outside the ubiquitous sidewalk massage parlors, eventually meeting up with a friend for dinner. After dinner, I'd find myself too tired to visit Soi Cowboy even if it was just to look. Haha.
Man, I miss this. Sadly, it's going to be a while before sensual travel is possible again.
NicFrenchy
09-14-21, 04:32
I learned from a local expat in Bangkok, before the fucking pandemic, the following routine: Start with a testicle massage in the afternoon to prepare for sex, but not ejaculating because it would be with an older lady skilled in that particular technique and not deemed worthy of receiving your sperm. I'm not sure who told you that, probably someone who never received a real testicles massage.
RIN at Hana massage (sukh soi 22) was the best in Bangkok for that. She was no spring chicken and not even sure the shop is still there, but what I can say for sure is that ejaculating as a result of her balls massage was one of the most intense I have ever had. There were talks about guys hitting the room ceiling, I miss RIN.
I'm not sure who told you that, probably someone who never received a real testicles massage. What I meant is that, sure you *could* ejaculate with a testicle massage, but it's not as fun as nutting into a really pretty girl later in the afternoon, perhaps booking a "model" at a soapy, after building up a head of steam.
I've had good testicle massages. The best testicle and prostate massage I found in Bangkok massage parlors was at Analisa. But the best. Therapeutically speaking. Is at a healing resort called Tao Garden in Chiangmai. Also, Janthip at Janthip Spa does outcall to hotels and is really gifted at it. And is quite a looker too.
RIN at Hana massage (sukh soi 22) was the best in Bangkok for that. She was no spring chicken and not even sure the shop is still there, but what I can say for sure is that ejaculating as a result of her balls massage was one of the most intense I have ever had. There were talks about guys hitting the room ceiling, I miss RIN.Thank you so much for the tip. After this fucking pandemic is over, I'll go and look for her and try.
Mr Enternational
09-14-21, 09:23
I'm not sure who told you that, probably someone who never received a real testicles massage.
RIN at Hana massage (sukh soi 22) was the best in Bangkok for that. She was no spring chicken and not even sure the shop is still there, but what I can say for sure is that ejaculating as a result of her balls massage was one of the most intense I have ever had. There were talks about guys hitting the room ceiling, I miss RIN.You have literally brought tears to my eyes. I miss Rin so much. There is no way I could stop with the balls massage. I had to try that pussy out. It was sooo good.
Thank you so much for the tip. After this fucking pandemic is over, I'll go and look for her and try.Good luck with that. She is probably about 80 years old by now. She was so good that I think that is the first place I brought my dad on his first trip to Thailand.
NicFrenchy
09-15-21, 11:01
You have literally brought tears to my eyes. I miss Rin so much. There is no way I could stop with the balls massage. I had to try that pussy out. It was sooo good.Balls massage for me was always the end of the session 😊.
I heard through the grapevine she was doing A+ but never had the pleasure.
Good luck with that. She is probably about 80 years old by now. She was so good that I think that is the first place I brought my dad on his first trip to Thailand.I can say that's the only lady I slept with that was 20+ years older than me, and never regretted a second of it. Never once disappointed or dissatisfied.
NicFrenchy
09-15-21, 11:14
it's not as fun as nutting into a really pretty girlThe prettiest girl I had was a sideline from Nataree (many moons ago, when I was a young man) and boy was she boring.
I always put more value in the experience and the intensity of the orgasm than the "beauty" of the provider.
Who remembers SAZANKA? Washington square? No real lookers and HJ only place but man the orgasms were intense. Same as AKANE, no lookers, no FS but some experiences I had there were just too good to share with others (ok I admit I did share a few detailed reports back in the day).
Today, the most fun and nice looking ladies I find is on Tinder, some are P4 P some aren't, Good experiences on both sides of that fence.
Banana Boi
02-06-22, 19:04
Do they sell ubox in Thailand and, more importantly, does it work there? Mainly interested in the 100s of sports channels from USA, Canada, Japan, and UK.
If not, any alternatives to get 1000's of channels in Thailand for free?
Mr Enternational
02-06-22, 20:01
Do they sell ubox in Thailand and, more importantly, does it work there? Mainly interested in the 100s of sports channels from USA, Canada, Japan, and UK.
If not, any alternatives to get 1000's of channels in Thailand for free?I do not know what ubox is, but my buddy sells Minix boxes. Sounds like the same thing. I am not sure how much now. I think they used to be 4,000 baht.
I do not know what ubox is, but my buddy sells Minix boxes. Sounds like the same thing. I am not sure how much now. I think they used to be 4,000 baht.Minix Boxes are still available and sold legally and openly in places like iPlus on the 4th floor of Fortune Town Mall at MRT Phra Ram 9 or their other store on, I think, the 2nd floor and elsewhere. And there are a lot of other brands available now too. The guys there will help to pre-install Kodi and whatever the latest programs are that will help get you what you want. Prices probably start about 3,000 baht for the lower end but I would go up to about 6,000 baht for the best ones with the better Wi-Fi reception and often clearer, more user-friendly interface.
My two favorite programs for watching just about any news source, tv show or movie I want and in very good pic and sound quality are LiveNetTV and CinemaHD Free v. 2. They will install those in those boxes for you and any other new or better ones I don't even know about for now. However, you don't really need a media streaming box like Minix to install those programs. It's just that watching stuff on your flatscreen tv in your room is much easier and more comfortable from a media streaming box than mirroring it from your phone onto the tv or just watching things on your phone or tablet. But they can be installed on a phone, tablet or computer without a media streaming box. Just make sure you download and install them from their Official "official" site and not from some third party site.
One note about those two great free TV and movie programs I mentioned above, if you have Android TV already integrated into your new big flat screen TV, which is nice and I use it all the time to watch Netflix and other apps, you should know that many programs like those can't be installed and downloaded into Android TV. See, Android TV is not the same and plain old Android. It is something specially designed to be installed or added to certain TV brands like Sony. You can download things into it, which is what makes it superior to simple Smart TV formats with things like Netflix and YouTube already installed in them. But you can't download and install just anything and everything from the Google Play Store or elsewhere on the 'net the way you can with your smartphone, tablet or computer. Many programs and apps are blocked from installation into the Android TV format. And, sure enough, LiveNetTV and CinemaHD Free v. 2 are two of those blocked programs.
That's where the Minix Box or some other good media streaming box comes in handy to watch those things on your living room TV. Those boxes allow you to download and install anything and everything on the 'net. And then you can watch what you want from your couch or bed controlling it from the included remote or, as I do, with a wireless mouse just like you would on a computer screen.
I always found the biggest challenge with those boxes and programs is live streaming big deal sports events or live streaming services like HBO, Showtime, etc. It can be done but often it is not reliable. Lots of drop outs and glitches at bad times. Time-shifting and watching those events or any shows you want after the fact is much easier and better in my experience. Bear in mind, we're talking about watching things for free here. If you're paying for a sports streaming service or HBO and so on, they would probably live stream fine all the time I suppose.
BTW, anyone into Roku, Roku Boxes work fine here too with only some channels blocked or "Not available in your country at this time" and can be bought at a projector shop that is also in Fortune Town Mall found on the 4th floor at the Lotus', formerly Tesco Lotus, end of the mall. They have them on display in the window. They are more expensive to buy in Thailand than in the USA, like double the cost. But trying to order one on Amazon to be shipped to Thailand can be a pain and cost you even more or about as much if it can be delivered at all because, for whatever reason, Customs might consider that little box a "Television", which can't be imported into Thailand unless you have a retail license to sell televisions. That's why those shops charge double for them.
Banana Boi
02-07-22, 08:26
I always found the biggest challenge with those boxes and programs is live streaming big deal sports events or live streaming services like HBO, Showtime, etc. It can be done but often it is not reliable. Lots of drop outs and glitches at bad times. The Minit box doesn't sound like a Ubox then. With Ubox you can smoothly live stream basically any sports broadcast that is being shown anywhere in the world. Even many sports I had never seen before. You can live steam HBO, Showtime and any other channels. ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox etc are all broadcast live. For instance I watched The Matrix Resurrection the day it was released on HBO. All movies on Netflix, Prime, Disney, etc. Only issue with the movies is they are 480-1080 p and not 4/8 k. You never have to update anything. The Ubox does all the updating and it's all free after you buy the box. I bought my ubox in Hong Kong just pre-COVID. It was definitely more expensive than the prices you quoted for the Minit box.
DropKickPanda
04-07-22, 08:59
Planing my first trip to Pattaya and wondering about how many lady drinks you typically by at a beer bar before you go on a short time? Just in generally, I understand that it isn't any exact number but wondering if it's more like 3 or closer to 10.
Mr Enternational
04-07-22, 15:02
Planing my first trip to Pattaya and wondering about how many lady drinks you typically by at a beer bar before you go on a short time? Just in generally, I understand that it isn't any exact number but wondering if it's more like 3 or closer to 10.Zero. But feel free to buy 100. Are you there to fuck or to buy watered down apple juice for chicks?
Miss MaryHinge
04-09-22, 16:33
Hello guys,
I thought this might be the best place to post this query but if not, suggest a more appropriate thread please.
I'm planning my third visit to LOS for August, mainly for Bkk but also want to check out Chaing Mai.
Hopefully the Thai Pass will be phased out by then but I imagine some kind of testing will still be in place for entry.
FWIW I've been double vaxxed plus booster plus a covid recovery certificate (which is set to expire toward the end of Aug. Damn!).
What're the opinions here on mongering and the need to test negative before flying and / or for the return destination country? How are other visitors handling the negative testing requirement after a period of enforced intimacy?
GuyBrusg1957
04-10-22, 01:01
How does Phuket compare to Bangkok and Pattaya?
So, I've seen this vid in xhamster that there is a guy who is f. Ing a Thai girl and he is very aggressive (slapping face, spits, piss etc.) on her but the lady I thing she likes / wants or at least she accepts happily this behavior and I was wondering how is this possible or how one should approach a lady for having this kind of services. It is clear on the video that the lady is a working girl and not a GF, I guess a SG or FL. I appreciate any kind of help on this.
Explorer8939
04-29-22, 07:25
How does Phuket compare to Bangkok and Pattaya?More expensive.
HorseTrader
04-29-22, 18:33
How does Phuket compare to Bangkok and Pattaya?
More expensive.Yes, Phuket is more expensive, but IMHO it is a nicer area. Patong is the main monger draw on Phuket with plenty of sexy options. It has a huge beautiful beach, but other areas of Phuket offer less mongering options but have even more beautiful beaches. The beach at Pattaya does absolutely nothing for me. Phuket has many boat tours which will take you to small islands that are breathtaking and you will be back in Patong in time for the night action.
If you are strictly looking for alcohol and girls at an affordable price, Pattaya is probably best. If you want a more varied holiday with plenty of girls at slightly higher price, Phuket is better.
Zero. But feel free to buy 100. Are you there to fuck or to buy watered down apple juice for chicks?E is correct. If you are there just to grab a chica and disappear then there isn't a need to buy anything. If you are there as part of a good night out, then the girls' attitude in the bar is often directly proportional to your spend. It's certainly not unusual to find hard core groping or even a BJ included in the price of a few LDs.
Everyone's tastes are different so just go with whatever keeps you happy.
Enjoy. G.
LookingLooking
05-02-22, 17:17
So, I've seen this vid in xhamster that there is a guy who is f. Ing a Thai girl and he is very aggressive (slapping face, spits, piss etc.) on her but the lady I thing she likes / wants or at least she accepts happily this behavior and I was wondering how is this possible or how one should approach a lady for having this kind of services. It is clear on the video that the lady is a working girl and not a GF, I guess a SG or FL. I appreciate any kind of help on this.2 possibilities.
Money.
Or.
Drugs.
When the girl is high enough from drugs, she may be happy to receive these things.
Miss MaryHinge
06-01-22, 13:34
Just wondering if one can easily buy things such as cock rings, dildoes etc from street stands around sukhumvit sois?
ShinyCrazy
06-02-22, 03:24
How does Phuket compare to Bangkok and Pattaya?I'm my experience, the one unique draw of Pattaya was the clubs where the girls were really "nasty", having sex in public, like Windmill Club or Kink. I saw a girl eating a girl's pussy right on the bar. Also seen girls sucking cock in the bar. I've never seen that in Bangkok or Phuket. I guess Crazy House in BKK gets close.
Mr Enternational
06-02-22, 03:34
Just wondering if one can easily buy things such as cock rings, dildoes etc from street stands around sukhumvit sois?Yes but they are illegal.
Mr Enternational
06-02-22, 03:35
I'm my experience, the one unique draw of Pattaya was the clubs where the girls were really "nasty", having sex in public, like Windmill Club or Kink.Those were nothing compared to X-Zone.
Miss MaryHinge
06-02-22, 18:43
Yes but they are illegal.I guess you mean selling from the stalls, not the toys. So are sex shops quite visible?
Tvataham274
06-05-22, 16:34
Hello. I am once again looking in to visiting the LOS this December.
I've narrowed my hotels down to a few near LK Metro. But for now, I want to just confirm that I only need a vaccination card, COE and health / covid insurance in order to be able to enter. If the covid test is negative, then I do not have to do any quarantine, correct?
https://tp.consular.go.th/
Am I right in saying this is where I obtain the COE?
Are there any layover airports that I should avoid? I know I'm personally going to want to avoid anything on mainland China, but are there any better / worse places? Taiwan, Japan, South Korea?
Hello,
I am once again looking in to visiting the LOS this December.
I've narrowed my hotels down to a few near LK Metro. But for now, I want to just confirm that I only need a vaccination card, COE and health / covid insurance in order to be able to enter. If the covid test is negative, then I do not have to do any quarantine, correct?
https://tp.consular.go.th/
Am I right in saying this is where I obtain the COE?
Are there any layover airports that I should avoid? I know I'm personally going to want to avoid anything on mainland China, but are there any better / worse places? Taiwan, Japan, South Korea?I'm looking at these requirements as well for a possible late July / August trip to LOS. I'm sure you realize everything will be different by December. For now avoid Japan if possible. Japan is closed to tourists unless you are on an approved tour. You can't land at Narita but go onto to BKK from Haneda. Can't switch between airports--transit only. From what I have read you can transit thru NRT but need to stay in the transit area of the airport.
Mr Enternational
06-05-22, 19:59
I guess you mean selling from the stalls, not the toys. So are sex shops quite visible?No. I meant the sex toys are illegal. "The penalty for anyone caught peddling, buying, or possessing sex toys is up to three years jail time or a fine of up to 60,000 Thai baht ($2,000), or both. Criminal Code Section 287 makes the trade or distribution of "obscene materials or things" illegal. ".
https://royalcoastreview.com/2021/04/7970/
Miss MaryHinge
06-08-22, 21:09
No. I meant the sex toys are illegal. "The penalty for anyone caught peddling, buying, or possessing sex toys is up to three years jail time or a fine of up to 60,000 Thai baht ($2,000), or both. Criminal Code Section 287 makes the trade or distribution of "obscene materials or things" illegal. ".
https://royalcoastreview.com/2021/04/7970/I can imagine the guys at the stalls on Sukhumvit selling a sex device to some unsuspecting punter then messaging the police to pick him up, and they split the fine obtained) Interesting business model.
TheNileRiva
06-14-22, 02:15
So with the recent legalisation cannabis in Thailand and the explosion of avenues to obtain it safely, I was wondering what people's experience of combining sex and getting high was. I have read that it increases the sensitivity of touch, which I assume would be an excellent compliment to the hanky panky.
Myself, I haven't tried hash since university. Working in the public sector until recently meant periodic drug tests. Should you take a little just to feel a little high to enhance the experience? Or should you full hog and see where the high takes you?
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