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This is a thread to discuss the named topics and share my adventures here in the Dominican Republic (DR). A catch all place for things that just don't fit into the action packed threads of the different cities that are focused solely on the pro action. Cultural observations, philosophy, economics, game, chica psychology, negotiation, and anything else that leads to getting the panties on the floor action (POF) that we are all looking for.
AFC wanted to stay in all day, just chill with her friend and use the pool. We hopped in the Grand Jefe (Big Boss) mobile to go pick up her friend. After we got back to the apartment it started raining very hard here. Pool activities were out. So we went back to her friends house so she could get her manicure / pedicure supplies.
Her friend is a cute little thing that is a couple of inches taller than my girl who is 5'3". Her friend has a cute little spinner body like my girl. My girl is a 10. Her friend is a 8. She is a police officer. But she gets paid so little that she has to do nails on the side to make ends meet. That the biggest shame of this country. Public servants forced to make money in other ways to survive.
After her friend took care of my girls feet and toes, she had her friend take care of me. So, here I am on Valentine's Day getting a my hands and feet done by this attractive 21 year old, in front of my TV, on my chase, in my living room. When she was finished I asked her how much. She refused to take money from my girl because she is her friend. But she didn't have a problem charging me. And I didn't mind paying. She said 300 pesos. I gave it to her with a smile and a 50 peso tip. Man I love this country inside of my four walls.
Then all AFC wanted was to go out to the local shack that's really close in the barrio (neighborhood) behind my building and get some Yaroa (I think that is what it is called). We came back and I ate mine at the table while she was on the chase watching TV.
I give them BFE. So I get GFE.
AFC wanted to stay in all day, just chill with her friend and use the pool. We hopped in the Grand Jefe (Big Boss) mobile to go pick up her friend. After we got back to the apartment it started raining very hard here. Pool activities were out. So we went back to her friends house so she could get her manicure / pedicure supplies.
Her friend is a cute little thing that is a couple of inches taller than my girl who is 5'3". Her friend has a cute little spinner body like my girl. My girl is a 10. Her friend is a 8. She is a police officer. But she gets paid so little that she has to do nails on the side to make ends meet. That the biggest shame of this country. Public servants forced to make money in other ways to survive.
After her friend took care of my girls feet and toes, she had her friend take care of me. So, here I am on Valentine's Day getting a my hands and feet done by this attractive 21 year old, in front of my TV, on my chase, in my living room..First, welcome to the hole (what I call the bottom part of the DR forum). Keep the reports coming dude. We talked at the party and I got the impression that you were satisfied with your style even though I offered my opinion on handling things different, and I decided to move past it to other topics. But now that you want to discuss things on an open forum, let me share my views.
I learned the same lessons as you but let me offer up some more to maybe help others.
Taxi scam:
I had a main girl who would visit me at Napolitano back in 2010. She would charge me 400 pesos each way for a cab and I would give her 2500-3000 pesos for dinner and an over night stay. After the second trip I noticed that the same raggedy, old taxi would pick her up and drop her off with the same guy driving. I asked "Jose the tout" about this and he said from where she lived to Napolitano is 150-200 pesos each way. He said girls have regular taxis that give them discounts. My next time I called her I said she was only going to get 200 pesos for a taxi and she protested so I hung up the phone after telling her to forget the date. Five seconds later she said she was on her way. I never paid more than 200 pesos for her taxi again. Girls will over-charge for a taxi to unsuspecting newbies.
Drinks:
Girls will ask you to buy them a beer and we think its only 90 Pesos, why not? But then she orders a Carona beer at 300 pesos and we don't know the difference until the bill comes. Always tell the waitress or bartender that the girl wants a presidente piqueno so everything is understood.
Dinner:
A girl I met through a couple in Cuba always had us double dating with me paying the full bill. After the first expensive dinner I explained to my girl that the money we spent on food should have gone to her for being with me alone. She cut the friends back to their disgust but my girl had to understand the rules and not play the full game.
Back to Subcmdr that "I don't mind mind paying" mentality should have limits. No price was previously discussed for the mani / pedi and they were riding in your jeep and hanging out at your house (and came to swim in your pool) but when it came to conclusion, you weren't her friend so you had to pay? Your main girl should have checked her for running this bullshit on her man but she played along. If you take them out for wings and the bill comes and you say" I'm paying for my lady but her friend has to pay for her wings' both those Dominicanas would have called you cheap and cussed you out before refusing to pay. What made you ask her "How much do I owe you" if no money was previously discussed for this service among so called friends? Did you feel sorry for the cop who had to do manicures on the side? She didn't feel good enough to give you the friends discount?
I got a manicure the day before the super bowl at this salon in Andres. It was 300 pesos and she was professional. She sterilized the equipment, soaked my hands, trimmed my nails and the sides then filed them. She finished with a brush to get the dead skin off my hands and a clear coat. If she did all this for a mani and pedi it was a great deal. Just maybe the girl didn't follow through with the hustle which was to charge you for both because she thought you were a nice guy but I still have a problem with your main girl letting you be charged anything if it was set up like friends hanging out killing an evening. Tell your girl not to bring friends or family around to hustle you unless its previously discussed, and that should end that.
I'm probably going to get the standard "Its my fucking money and I will spend it like I want" answer but if you can't understand or care what is really going on, then this forum should be titled "spending my money and I don't give a fuck what anyone thinks LOL".
Hopefully you will review this reply as coming from a friend and not just a poster here. Peace.
Mr. Gogo,
Thank you for your post. Your response is exactly why I started this new thread in the hole in the first place. I believe that your information, experiences and opinions are useful. And that is exactly what I want. Your response is completely different from the initial responses that I received when I first started posting in the upper sections of the ISG-Dominican Republic Forum. You are not attempting to ridicule or engage in an exercise of one-upmanship. Your response was reasoned and well thought out. It explains your experiences and details what you learned and how you corrected them. You provided solid information on how to handle chicas (girls) here on the island. And quite honestly, I don't really think we differ in how we approach things. You pointed out to me in our conversation on Super Bowl Sunday that when the writer is writing about things already experienced sometimes important details are left out that leave questions for the reader.
If I understood our conversation correctly, and the posts we have shared with each other in the open form and through private messaging, you think I'm getting ripped off, scammed, and hustled (your words). But, it's not really that important that we agree. It's not really that important what my style is or what your style is. And it's not really about the money. The world of economics is not absolute. We all place different values on different things. This is because of the Concept of Bounded Rationality in decision-making.
I would like to introduce you to the concept of Bounded Rationality in decision-making (my apologies if you are already familiar with the concept). I will go through it for the benefit of others unfamiliar with it.
This is the concept that concept that decision makers (irrespective of their level of intelligence) have to work under three unavoidable constraints:
1. Only limited, often unreliable, information is available regarding possible alternatives and their consequences.
2. The human mind has only limited capacity to evaluate and process the information that is available.
3. Only a limited amount of time is available to make a decision. Therefore even individuals who intend to make rational choices are bound to make satisficing (rather than maximizing or optimizing) choices in complex situations.
Let's apply the concept to my situation on V day. Her plan was to hang out and go swimming with her friend. My thoughts were that's a great plan all things considered. Not having to go through usual V day hassles. Gives me the opportunity to bestow valuable benefits on others without it costing me a dime, thereby creating goodwill. This is because I've already paid for use of the pool in my monthly rent. And the cost of picking up her friend is simply the per kilometer cost of operating the Grande Jefe (Big Boss) mobile and my time. And my time had already been allocated to AFC as this was V day.
Bad weather that day scrubbed the initial plans. So, we adapted and switched gears. As I stated in my original V day post. We returned to get her friends manicure / pedicure equipment. And when we did she returned with two bags of manicure / pedicure supplies, equipment and her plastic bowl for soaking, washing and rinsing your hands and feet. When we returned to the house she boiled water and placed her instruments in the boiling water and they hung out in the kitchen for a while. They returned and her friend did her hand and feet and then it was my turn. Was she a professional? I don't know. I didn't ask to see her cosmetology license. But I've been enough in enough salons and had enough manicure / pedicures to recognize the equipment, processes and products that she used similar to the "professional" manicure / pedicures I've had in the past. She performed a proper manicure / pedicure. She went over the top when it came to working on my feet because I play tennis and it is really hard on them. The results were of the same quality as I've had by favorite nail technicians in the ee. Uu (United States). And it was the same when it comes to my hands.
The factors you are failing to consider: Weather caused a change in the original plans; Cost of transportation to your salon and return; That I received my manicure / pedicure in my living room in front of my TV (The feeling was quite decadent); She was rubbing her breasts all over my feet while she was working. (A minor sensual pleasure but enjoyable none the less); She gave me an excellent massage on legs / feet and hands / arms; She was professional in how she provided her service (she is just doing what another poster on here recommends: only running a business with no overhead).
How Bounded Rationality applies to my V Day.
Given the limited information that was available to me regarding possible alternatives and their consequences, my brain's limited capacity to evaluate and process the information available and with only a limited time available to make my decision, I made one that was satisficing. I paid 300 pesos (6 dollars and 55 cents US) for my manicure / pedicure and gave her a 50 peso tip (1 dollar and 9 cents US). Wao!
...but if you can't understand or care what is really going on...Of course I do. It's very clear to me. You are bothered by how I spend my money. You are bothered by how I run my operations. Never mind that fact that I was very satisfied with the service I received. I don't believe in taking advantage of others just because I can. I live here. I'm not here to leave a path of carnage and wreckage after getting my dick off at the lowest price possible and then hopping on a plane.
With all due respect Mr. Gogo, if you want to play the role of the latin male neanderthal, knock yourself the fuck out. I'm sure your girls leave happy and satisfied. And you never give up one more peso than necessary to bust a nut. But don't hate because I run a different operation than you. My operations does not require me to be on the clock because I've got wheels up by a certain time. It was V day. My girl didn't ask for much. And her friend was alone and made a little money that day off of me. You need to tell me what was so bad about that. I honestly don't see how you could have perceived my experience so negatively.
Now, if you can't see my point of view, then maybe you should rename your section "ATTENTION READ THIS: Mr. Gogo knows everything about girls in the Dominican Republic and you don't. " LOL! Meanwhile, I'm going to spread the news that if it feels this good getting used, they can just keep on using me; until they use me up! ROTFLMAO!
Gozando vivir mi amigo (Enjoying life my friend).
On the contrary my blog brother, how you spend your money has no effect on me but when you demonstrate that you don't know Latin women I feel a need to offer my advice. Latin women like to follow and be led, being it dancing, love making or just general things in life. Being perceived as gullible and not knowledgeable to this only leads to men being taken advantage of by a Latina. Its not about taking advantage of a situation but demonstrating that you are to be respected. Understanding the "Latin male Neanderthal" will allow you to enjoy Latin women at half the price generous gringo pays, as you said you live there. As I posted I paid before 800 pesos for a taxi and and 3000 pesos for the girl which I think is very generous, so I'm not a cheepo trying to get the best deal but I don't like being taken advantage of. Understand there was a growth process I had to learn to cut through the bullshit and develop a situation where mutual respect was required.
What would I have done differently? First, I would wonder why my main girl would bring a friend for our special Valentines day. Then I would have stated that we are all friends so why charge me? I would do this to test their reaction. Would my main girl forsake me and side with her friend? Would her friend get hostile? Would they call me cheap? Their reaction would tell me things about them. Maybe they would both say I'm right and they wouldn't charge me. I would have my answers to what I'm dealing with and in the end I probably would pay the 300 pesos for that info.
You have the jeep, you have the crib with the pool, you have the money, be that "Latin Neanderthal" and call the shots and dictate what goes and what doesn't, be the boss. As you said" I live there".
Early in my relationship with AFC, I got sick. She had a heavy course load (as a pre-med student in university) and was able not be there to take care of me. She was literally crying on the phone because of it. I was fine with it. Don't have any difficulties handing anything in my life. I told her right from the beginning school and work should be her priorities. I would be there when she had time.
She called her favorite taxi and sent me food in it. I had to pay for the food and the taxi. But I did not mind. Because, although I had not been in country that long. I knew the price of the food and the taxi ride was correct. He actually gave me a receipt for the food. And I gave him a tip.
My number two said, "I'll take care of you. You take care of me. " I respect that. I also respect that it was over a year before she said "Te quiero" (I love you). I believe her. After hearing so many women tell me they love me or that they want to be my girlfriend after the first fuck. Damn straight! I believe her.
After we had been seeing each other for seven months, I ask her how she's doing. She says not well. I can tell she's having a serious problem. I ask what is it. She said "It's money". She tells me that her ex refused to buy his sons school uniforms and she needed money to enroll in school. I asked: "How much do you need?" She stated that she needed 3000 pesos. But if I could not give her all of it anything I could give her she would appreciate. Now, this is a girl that has never asked me for anything. Except for something to eat and drink when in casa (house) with me. When she came by the next day I was just going to give her the money she needed, but she was having none of that. She came thorough the door stripped. Got on her knees, sucked, no she gorged and gagged herself on my dick. Bent over for me. Flipped over for me. She rode. Then we finished up in our favorite position. After some rest and cuddling. She went down on me like a nuclear sub commander and did not surface until "me leche fue en su estomago (my milk was in her stomach). ".
It is about helping good people when they help you. And if you are conducting business as opposed to building relationships then you better know your prices. Because if you get ripped off by someone here in the DR that is your own damn fault.
...but when you demonstrate that you don't know Latin women I feel a need to offer my advice.I appreciate that Mr. Gogo. You know everything there is to know about Latin women and I know nothing. It's amazing I can even get pussy here and that I'm not broke and in the street crying over the fact that "I ben don wrong" given my total lack of knowledge of Latin woman.
Latin women like to follow and be led, being it dancing, love making or just general things in life. Being perceived as gullible and not knowledgeable to this only leads to men being taken advantage of by a Latina. Its not about taking advantage of a situation but demonstrating that you are to be respected.With this I agree. But I fail understand how I have demonstrated a lack of knowledge about Latin women or gullibility.
Understanding the "Latin male Neanderthal" will allow you to enjoy Latin women at half the price generous gringo pays, as you said you live there.So because I don't follow the Mr. Gogo gorilla pimp style of chica management, my girls don't respect me. And I overpay for their company.
What would I have done differently? First, I would wonder why my main girl would bring a friend for our special Valentines day. Then I would have stated that we are all friends so why charge me? I would do this to test their reaction. Would my main girl forsake me and side with her friend? Would her friend get hostile? Would they call me cheap? Their reaction would tell me things about them. Maybe they would both say I'm right and they wouldn't charge me. I would have my answers to what I'm dealing with and in the end I probably would pay the 300 pesos for that info.Well Mr. Gogo, I'm not you! I hate holidays and tradition. V Day is a hallmark holiday designed and perpetrated on the world by capitalist interests. To the contrary, the just any other day mentality that my girl had for V Day was perfectly fine with me. And I didn't even see my number two. All she wanted to know was where her V Day gift was. Because I live here I don't have to wonder about the loyalties of my girls. I know exactly with ones are loyal to me and which ones are loyal to my money. But I never forget the real question: Is there a difference? I find it interesting that you have to actively play games with people in order to ascertain motives. I'm much more refined and distinguished. And more importantly, it is precisely because I live here that I have the time to make observations and allow those around me to demonstrate their loyalties to me. I've spent a lifetime as an observer. It's my nature.
You have the jeep, you have the crib with the pool, you have the money, be that "Latin Neanderthal" and call the shots and dictate what goes and what doesn't, be the boss. As you said" I live there".Damn straight Mr. Gogo! You have the most amazing ability to state the obvious. You go ahead, be the "Latin Neanderthal". My suggestion to you is to continue to wield your pimp stick with authority and keep your chicas in line. It works for you. It is you!
Now, I am much more distinguished. I choose to exercise and employ a different leadership style with my girls. I lead by example. I explain what I like and what I want. I exercise subtle control precisely because I have the apartment with the ocean view, the grand jefe (Big Boss) mobile and the money. No expenditure of money happens without my approval. And I get exactly what I want. That a man of your worldly experience cannot recognize the effectiveness of my leadership style is surprising to me.
But there are two sayings that apply here Mr. Gogo:
1. When you are a hammer. The entire world looks like a nail.
2. The Kia owner always believes the BMW owner paid too much for a car.
Of course I do!
I try not to laugh at the guys that come back-and-forth and think they are really know something about the Dominican Republic while they are passing through. You don't really know a place until you live there. I'm not just saying this about the DR. Same thing happened to me when I moved to Las Vegas. I have been going to Las Vegas since I was a kid with my parents. As I grew up and became an adult, I continued to go there. But it wasn't until I moved there that I really began to know Vegas. And if you think you know Vegas because you visit a lot. I can tell you for certain that you don't. Life as a resident there is very different. Same for the DR. But I'm really going to reference Santo Domingo. Because that's what I know. I'll stipulate to the fact that there are any number of people on the forum that know a lot more about other cities in the DR than I do.
Most of the guys in this forum are dealing with women who regularly fuck for money (not the women who consider themselves to be in the top tier of their society). The women who have jobs, goto university and have ambition to make something out of themselves. Most of guys on this forum don't know a damn thing about the Dominican Republic past how to pay to get into a woman's pants. And any thought that these women that are fucking them for money give a damn thing about them other than what they have in their wallet is self-delusion.
For those with the "Kia mentality" who are gnashing their teeth when they read my posts, rest assured. I'm not driving up the price for the street Chicas (girls), Casa girls and Dominican Cupid chicas that are looking for a foreign man to fund their life. I'm flying in FAA class A airspace. Most are unqualified to fly at my altitude. They strictly operate at lower altitudes. There is a level, the 10% of high quality mujers (women) that exist here, that most will never see nor would the woman pay a bit of attention to them because they lack of refinement, language skills and have the "Kia mentality".
When you tell one of your mujers (women), as I have before, that you are sick and they buy or prepare food for you, then call a taxi they have a relationship with and send the food to you in the taxi, well that's a whole another level of human interaction that most of guys in this Forum will ever understand as long as they castigate my methods and the way that I do things. I'm hanging with young women who are going to university and studying medicine, engineering, business, government. We are strolling through Agora mall. They are shopping. They have their own money. Not even interested in mine. They are just traveling in style with me. We are chilling out in the mall at Santo Domingo's having cafe (coffee). No different than any other modern city.
The way I operate would be considered being a sugar daddy in the United States. But I do it for a 10th of the price I would have to pay in the US. I'm offering insight into a different game. It's not for everybody but it works for me. I appreciate everyone's insight and I listen to them. But most of what I read simply is not representative of my experiences. And most are not interested in reading, understanding and appreciating my experiences.
I'm living like a motherfucking boss, like a 1%er. A lifestyle that I could never even get close to in the US for the same money and I'm enjoying every minute of it. So if that lifestyle requires me to pay over two times what someone else does ($3 at Rainbow verses $7 at Forever 21) for a dress so be it. Why do I buy my girls, computers, cellphones, name brand clothes, shoes and designer handbags? Because I motherfucking can! The girls that I bring into my life give me experiences impossible to pay for. They come to the table with way more than just pussy! I suited up to attend a military reception. One of my girls invited me to her families 24th gathering. One of her Aunt's was back from Spain to celebrate the event. She owns a house here and one in Spain. All of this has required time and investment of energy into developing real relationships with people. It requires Spanish skills and the perception that I have enough money to be in their class.
I understand the perspective here on the forum, but nobody here seems to be able, or has the desire to understand mine. I hope this gives you better insight into where I'm coming from when I post. I'm considering the possibility that maybe no one is really interested in what I'm doing. They are simply interested in advancing their views, inflating their egos and ridiculing others. Bragging about their conquests as if sticking their dick into women who regularly fuck for money requires game.
You want GFE. I don't believe you can pay for that. You have to give BFE. And remember that your vacation is my life each and every motherfucking day!
Of course I do!
I try not to laugh at the guys that come back-and-forth and think they are really know something about the Dominican Republic while they are passing through. You don't really know a place until you live there. I'm not just saying this about the DR. Same thing happened to me when I moved to Las Vegas. I have been going to Las Vegas since I was a kid with my parents. As I grew up and became an adult, I continued to go there. But it wasn't until I moved there that I really began to know Vegas. And if you think you know Vegas because you visit a lot. I can tell you for certain that you don't. Life as a resident there is very different. Same for the DR. But I'm really going to reference Santo Domingo. Because that's what I know. I'll stipulate to the fact that there are any number of people on the forum that know a lot more about other cities in the DR than I do.
Most of the guys in this forum are dealing with women who regularly fuck for money (not the women who consider themselves to be in the top tier of their society). The women who have jobs, goto university and have ambition to make something out of themselves. Most of guys on this forum don't know a damn thing about the Dominican Republic past how to pay to get into a woman's pants. And any thought that these women that are fucking them for money give a damn thing about them other than what they have in their wallet is self-delusion.
For those with the "Kia mentality" who are gnashing their teeth when they read my posts, rest assured. I'm not driving up the price for the street Chicas (girls), Casa girls and Dominican Cupid chicas that are looking for a foreign man to fund their life. I'm flying in FAA class A airspace. Most are unqualified to fly at my altitude. They strictly operate at lower altitudes. There is a level, the 10% of high quality mujers (women) that exist here, that most will never see nor would the woman pay a bit of attention to them because they lack of refinement, language skills and have the "Kia mentality".
When you tell one of your mujers (women), as I have before, that you are sick and they buy or prepare food for you, then call a taxi they have a relationship with and send the food to you in the taxi, well that's a whole another level of human interaction that most of guys in this Forum will ever understand as long as they castigate my methods and the way that I do things. I'm hanging with young women who are going to university and studying medicine, engineering, business, government. We are strolling through Agora mall. They are shopping. They have their own money. Not even interested in mine. They are just traveling in style with me. We are chilling out in the mall at Santo Domingo's having cafe (coffee). No different than any other modern city.
The way I operate would be considered being a sugar daddy in the United States. But I do it for a 10th of the price I would have to pay in the US. I'm offering insight into a different game. It's not for everybody but it works for me. I appreciate everyone's insight and I listen to them. But most of what I read simply is not representative of my experiences. And most are not interested in reading, understanding and appreciating my experiences.
I'm living like a motherfucking boss, like a 1%er. A lifestyle that I could never even get close to in the US for the same money and I'm enjoying every minute of it. So if that lifestyle requires me to pay over two times what someone else does ($3 at Rainbow verses $7 at Forever 21) for a dress so be it. Why do I buy my girls, computers, cellphones, name brand clothes, shoes and designer handbags? Because I motherfucking can! The girls that I bring into my life give me experiences impossible to pay for. They come to the table with way more than just pussy! I suited up to attend a military reception. One of my girls invited me to her families 24th gathering. One of her Aunt's was back from Spain to celebrate the event. She owns a house here and one in Spain. All of this has required time and investment of energy into developing real relationships with people. It requires Spanish skills and the perception that I have enough money to be in their class.
I understand the perspective here on the forum, but nobody here seems to be able, or has the desire to understand mine. I hope this gives you better insight into where I'm coming from when I post. I'm considering the possibility that maybe no one is really interested in what I'm doing. They are simply interested in advancing their views, inflating their egos and ridiculing others. Bragging about their conquests as if sticking their dick into women who regularly fuck for money requires game.
You want GFE. I don't believe you can pay for that. You have to give BFE. And remember that your vacation is my life each and every motherfucking day!I had a chica make me some home-made cough medicine with honey, red wine, and god knows what else and it nearly killed me. But the fact that she went to the trouble of making the medicine and bringing it to me was very moving. It was a while ago and I think I gave her a few hundred pesos as a thank you gift. I now realize I was politically incorrect and I beg for the forgiveness of the board. Next time I would tell her to fuck off and drink it herself.
Without a doubt you have failed to follow the Mr. Gogo school of chica management. If I understand the Mr. Gogo school of chica management techniques correctly:
1. You should have questioned her intentions. 2. You shouldn't have drank her cough medicine that was not from a pharmacy. 3. After tasting it you should have spoken to her harshly for disrespecting your mouth, by preparing her ill tasting elixir and bringing it to you. 4. And you most certainly should not have given her a couple of hundred pesos. After all, how much did the chica have invested in her home-made remedy.
We are going to have send you back for remedial training. LOL.My memory fails me a bit as this was about 5 years ago, but I believe it was one of the two chicas Jenny and Kathy mentioned by Tempoecorto just a couple of days ago on this board. At that time those two girls were renting a room in the same hotel as Tempoecorto and myself, sharing with a third girl and paying $400 per month for a somewhat crummy room. So they were kind of honorary mongers. They complained that it did not have a view of the pool and of course one bathroom could never be enough for three chicas to make themselves beautiful. They used to come up to my apartment which had a kitchen and use my stove to fix their meals and use my computer to communicate with their online "friends". All I got out of the deal was. Well, I forget, but whatever it was I enjoyed with all three of them, although never all three at one time. I now realize that they were disrespecting me by using my kitchen, but at the time it seemed like a good idea and it saved me having to go outside to get a girl..
Mr Enternational
02-19-16, 02:06
Without a doubt you have failed to follow the Mr. Gogo school of chica management. LOL. I guess they are only trying to help but this witchcraft of remedies that they are privy to can go to hell. A couple of days ago I had stomach problems. The girl I brought to BQ's party told me to chop up fresh garlic and carrots together and eat it. (Hierve un diente de ajo con zanahoria rallada y tomate lo). Then a couple of hours later said did you do it? LOL. Hell no. I took my ass to a pharmacy.
Then I was out to eat because I thought my stomach was finally able to hold something. I sent her a picture of the fresh Thai chicken noodle soup that I was about to feast on and she said that looks horrible. I said you are Dominican. You don't know anything about food. All you know is carne y papas, pollo y arroz.
Then when I hurt my foot a few months ago they all wanted to tell me a remedy to make it better. Never mind that I have been going to a freakin podiatric surgeon twice a week for the past 3 months and they have had to cut out flesh and grow new meat and skin to rehab the area. But want me to try their outhouse remedy vs how many years of professional medical experience.
Don't listen to them island chicas no matter how kind you think they are trying to be. They will have you 6 feet under down there. Next patient, same treatment.
LOL. I guess they are only trying to help but this witchcraft of remedies that they are privy to can go to hell. A couple of days ago I had stomach problems. The girl I brought to BQ's party told me to chop up fresh garlic and carrots together and eat it. (Hierve un diente de ajo con zanahoria rallada y tomate lo). Then a couple of hours later said did you do it? LOL. Hell no. I took my ass to a pharmacy.
Then I was out to eat because I thought my stomach was finally able to hold something. I sent her a picture of the fresh Thai chicken noodle soup that I was about to feast on and she said that looks horrible. I said you are Dominican. You don't know anything about food. All you know is carne y papas, pollo y arroz.
Then when I hurt my foot a few months ago they all wanted to tell me a remedy to make it better. Never mind that I have been going to a freakin podiatric surgeon twice a week for the past 3 months and they have had to cut out flesh and grow new meat and skin to rehab the area. But want me to try their outhouse remedy vs how many years of professional medical experience.
Don't listen to them island chicas no matter how kind you think they are trying to be. They will have you 6 feet under down there. Next patient, same treatment.http://www.dibdabdoo.com/articles/diseases/211/using-carrot-juice-for-relieving-constipation.html
Actually carrot juice and garlic is recognized as a treatment for constipation, so not witchcraft. Carrot juices contain certain oils that work on the mucus membranes of the stomach and colon. This helps with digestion and starts your bowels functioning properly. Carrots are high in fiber and beta-carotene, an antioxidant, which the body converts to vitamin A. Carrots can make your stools softer and larger. Garlic helps in stimulating intestinal movements (peristalsis).
So actually that chica knew her shit. And carrots and garlic are cheaper than anything in the pharmacy. Next time you see her ask if she has a herbal remedy from the vegetable section to replace Viagra.
Mr Enternational
02-19-16, 02:55
Actually carrot juice and garlic is recognized as a treatment for constipation, so not witchcraft.
So actually that chica knew her shit.And there in lies the issue. The problem was not that I could not go, but that I could not stop going. So that would have just compounded the interest.
And there in lies the issue. The problem was not that I could not go, but that I could not stop going. So that would have just compounded the interest.LOL. That is why she does not have a medical degree. It is important to take an accurate history and assess for allergies before prescribing treatment.
Since amoeba infections are so common in the DR, she should have ordered a microscopic examination of a stool sample, and then perhaps some Immodium, and an antibiotic like Flagyl if the stool sample was positive. If you want free medical consult in the DR, usually the pharmacists can make recommendations for common ailments such as diarrhea.
Yesterday, AFC was waiting for me on the curb with all of her stuff for me to pick her up. That was surprising as she usually is lollygagging around and I just wait for her to get ready while amusing myself with my iPhone. She loads her stuff up in the Grand Jefe (Big Boss) mobile hops in. Gives me a big hug and kiss. Tell me she missed me and we are off.
I was feeling bad all day and needed to get to grocery shop essential things for the kitchen. I wasn't able to get it done during the day. We decided to skip the La Sirena near her house opt for Bravo near mine because it is open late. She was hungry so we stopped by the shack in the barrio behind my building. There is a makeshift food court along the main drag and it has excellent street food. There is also a colmado (store) along the same block.
We park. I hop out and wait for to get out and come around. She's like wait. And drops down and ties my shoe. Then she takes my and guides me across the street, like they do old people here. LOL We get to our favorite shack and she ops for a burrito. I'm not hungry. But I do have a taste for a President light. She says, do you want me to buy one for you. I say yes. Give her a 1000 peso note (it's all I have) sit down in a plastic chair on the sidewalk and she's off.
After a brief moment her lovely body is headed back towards me. She has my beer and says that tells me the colmado (store) did not have change to the guy in the store had to go out and look for it. And I saw him. That's what he was doing. Checking with the other vendors to see if they could break the 1000 peso note. After a little while he gave her the high sign and she went back to the colmado and got the change. And brought it back to me. All of it. Her food was ready. She paid. And we headed back to the truck and I got the same safety escort back to the Grand Jefe mobile.
We get back to the apartment and park in our short term spot. I'm tight with front gate day and night security. So I can park pretty much wherever I like when they are there. We head up to my apartment where we just hang out a bit while she eats. She tells me about her plan for her new residence and other things about her day.
After she is finished eating we head back out for the day. Where she pushes the cart and gathers everything we need to just get us by in the morning. We return home park in our regular parking space and head back up my apartment. We share the load carrying in the groceries. She heads into the kitchen and puts the groceries away. I'm preparing her uniform because she doesn't iron very well. I'm getting rid of the wrinkles and putting those sharp creases in where she needs them so she will look great. Everything is set for tomorrow. She tells me that last week someone came to work 30 minutes late. And her commander gave him 3 days in jail. She tells me she doesn't want to be late. So we set our alarms and head to bed.
5:30 AM and the alarms go off. She hops out of bed come around and shuts mine off. Then she heads into the kitchen to make me lunch before she has to goto work. Now, this is her idea. Not mine. She cooks my lunch. Puts mine away. Preps her lunch and gets ready. Now you know what it's like when a woman has to get ready to go somewhere. So I'm just chilling waiting for her to get ready. It's five minutes after we need to leave and I'm just a little irritated. Going to have to put my foot in a bit together there on time. So, I do just that. We arrive just inside her 10 minute grace period. Too close for my comfort. But I'm not one that will have to do time. LOL.
Sambil Mall is nice. That's where I initially went to when I first moved here only because that was my friend, who has lived here for over 3 years introduced me to.
But AFC lived near Mega Central. And Mega Central is where the real eye candy is. It sits in the middle of several different barrios and attracts what I feel are the hottest, most accessible girls in the city. On top of that, they are coming to the end of a substantial renovation and upgrading the stores that are located there. And best of all, a metro stop is under construction within walking distance. In November, a Forever 21 opened there. That is the hottest clothing store for the 20 to 30 something crowd. Give a girl a gift from there. That carries weight. Maybe not for street chicas. But for the girls I deal with, yes! Now, I'm not suggesting you take your girl shopping there. Here is what I do. I watch the Forever 21 site for sales. Order your gifts from there. Buy the sizes by how you like your girls. Small are for your spinners, Medium for curvy, and Large for the amazons. Sometimes, Forever 21 has skirts, dresses and tops for as low as $2 on clearance sales. Sure you can buy clothes cheaper at Rainbow. But I've been inside a Rainbow. That's nothing but no name, poor quality crap. Fine for street chicas. But if you are rolling with young girls, the type you find making their way through life everyday like regular people, for them Forever 21 is the bomb!
Now, if you really want to go upscale head to Agora mall. Operating in Agora mall is strictly for veterans not for freshman. Bring that Sosua / Boca Chica attitude up in there. Better be prepared to strictly enjoy the eye candy. Agora has an excellent food court. It's a great place to chase girls if you have any real game. Or to bring a girl you want to impress. It looks just like the food court in any major mall in the United States. You can sit near the windows and have an elevated view of the city from four stories up. I took some great pictures the last time I was there. And the girls were smoking hot!
If you are into MILF's the hottest ones are to be found in Gallera 360. It's right across from Agora mall. Gallera 360 also has an a Americana. This is a hardware store that rivals any Home Depot or Lowes to be found in the United States. Next to Gallera 360 is IKEA. And the best thing about this area is that's it's right on a metro stop.
After I delivered the photos to BQ Ribs he reviewed all of them and told me he liked my work. He had asked to receive all the photos in raw format. Something I explained before that I don't usually do. But he is my friend, so no problem. He suggested that we take the metro to Agora mall and have lunch there. The metro costs 20 pesos for a one-way trip. And that alone makes it worth the trip. I liked it so much I bought a metro card. A metro card cost 100 pesos. And it is good for two trips. After that you recharge it for 360 pesos for 20 trips. It's new, clean and efficient. Down in the depths of the capital you will find real girls, working and going to school. Making their way about life. So much eye candy in there I must of looked like a real life bobble head. BQ Ribs had to keep telling me to watch my step.
It's Saturday, 71 degrees, mostly sunny, and the sea state is calm. There's a cruse ship that just came over the horizon. I can see it from my balcony. When it docks. I'll be able to see it from my bedroom window. A man is playing the sax in the park across from me. He's actually good. The music is soothing. AFC is snoozing and when she wakes up she'll parade her smoking hot body all over my apartment in just her panties. I'll fix breakfast. She'll fix lunch. Later in the afternoon we'll be headed to IKEA today. It's their 6th anniversary sale this weekend. Going to take my apartment game to another level with some IKEA chic. This is how roll. I'm not on vacation. I live here.
So, if you don't know. Now you know. Santo Domingo 101. Class is in session. And Professor SubCmdr invites anyone interested to partake of his knowledge.
You ever go to Venezuela Ave as I feel the baddest of the bad Girls are there. My favorite area in Santo Domingo. I have met some cool and very hot girls there.
You ever go to Venezuela Ave as I feel the baddest of the bad Girls are there. My favorite area in Santo Domingo. I have met some cool and very hot girls there.Mr. Revere,
I've only been to Bar / Restaurant Barricia. I like to sit upstairs in the part that overlooks Venezuela Avenue and watch the movement on the street. I concur. When I'm up there I do see some of the baddest of the bad girls enjoying the nightlife.
Barricia is a nice place. I like it. The food is good. The prices are reasonable. You can sit outside and get away from the loud music. Or go inside and dance. The drinks are weak. But they are sweet and the girls love them. I've only taken a date there and then catch hell for looking around. SMH.
LOL.
Just because there are certain cultural norms here doesn't mean you have to follow them. Take for example male / female relationships. Most Dominican girls are NOT looking to hook up with a extranjero (foreigner). They are perfect satisfied with meeting a Dominican man and doing the Dominican cultural norm. So by definition, the women you meet in Sosua, Boca Chica, Santiago, Santo Domingo and any other city in the DR and online are already outside of their cultural norms. Dominican men look at them as lost. And they are not envious or jealous at all. And why should they be? They fuck for free or much less than you do when you are not time sharing the pussy during your fuck vacation. LOL.
Which is why the only social convention I follow here is the one that says "You are the man. And as such what you say goes. " For me that means, if I want to buy my girls, computers and cell phones, it's perfectly within my right to do so. If you choose not to, well then that's how you roll in your world. Man law says I shouldn't give a fuck about how you roll, and you shouldn't give a fuck about how I roll. What I will not do is let an entire family into my pocket simply because I stick my dick in to a pussy that happens to be a member of said family.
I know my regulars. I've been to their homes. I've met their families. And I give my regulars allowances, very generous allowances. And I tell them don't ask me for more. That will get you cut off quick. I don't care if your Mother, Brother, Sister, Cousin (you get the idea) is sick, or is in need of money. If you want to help them, then you break something off of your allowance and give it to them. The first time they ask for more to help a relative out I tell them this. And I add that I don't ever want to hear a money request like that again. If I do we are done.
Now I came to this hard line position after moving along the learning curve for a bit. AFC asks me for 9000 pesos. She wants to help her Aunt buy a washing machine. I asked did your Aunt put you up to this. She told me yes. And I went off. Fuck your Aunt and fuck you. Your family is not going to be in my pockets and on and on and on. After a lot of whining, complaining and temper tantrums on her part. I'm like this has got to stop. She was living with her Aunt and getting a lot of pressure to come through with the goods from her rich American boyfriend. We finally reached an agreement that she would accept her allowance being reduced by 1000 pesos for nine months in return for the 9000 pesos now. I agreed but was still pissed. So I made her Aunt wait two months for the money. Turns out that it was a bad deal on my part. AFC made it up by little requests here and there. I changed our arrangement to 500 pesos a week. And made her fully account for every peso from that point on. She didn't like it but got the message.
Fast forward to today. This week her cousins baby was in the hospital. I get this 911 text in whatapp. "I'm in dire need of money to pay for treatment that my cousins baby needs", she says. "Will you loan me the money and I'll pay it back? She asks. No! I tell her, "I'm holding 9000 pesos for you. (I do that for her because she has a spending problem). If you need some money come get it". Well, that killed the urgency. She never came and got the money. And when she saw me she never mentioned it again. Oh, her cousin's baby was indeed sick. I saw the pictures and was the personal taxi for her Cousin and her cousin's baby ride back home from the hospital. But it's amazing what happens and how priorities change when it's coming out of their pocket and not yours.
Mr. Revere,
I've only been to Bar / Restaurant Barricia. I like to sit upstairs in the part that overlooks Venezuela Avenue and watch the movement on the street. I concur. When I'm up there I do see some of the baddest of the bad girls enjoying the nightlife.
Barricia is a nice place. I like it. The food is good. The prices are reasonable. You can sit outside and get away from the loud music. Or go inside and dance. The drinks are weak. But they are sweet and the girls love them. I've only taken a date there and then catch hell for looking around. SMH.
LOL.Always a tough call to take a regular to place where you know hot girls will be looking at you and you have to pretend not to look back at them. This is when I make the waiter my friend to get digits, although one chick caught me and I denied it and said the waiter gave it to me I did not ask for it. Never admit wrong. Just deny it.
Always a tough call to take a regular to place where you know hot girls will be looking at you and you have to pretend not to look back at them. This is when I make the waiter my friend to get digits, although one chick caught me and I denied it and said the waiter gave it to me I did not ask for it. Never admit wrong. Just deny it.Mr. Revere,
Excellent advice. I'll have to try your method next time. I don't mind checking a place out with a regular. Usually I go because they recommend it. And it never hurts to be seen in a venue with a pretty girl. It's not like the other girls care. It just makes you a challenge.
These dominican dudes tried to hustle me at the car wash. Inviting me to play pool. Losing and then offering to play for money. Initially, I told them I only speak English. Imagine their surprise when I told them in perfect Spanish that although I had only been in their country for a short time, I am a man of the world. I am not a idiot. I am here to wash my guagua (truck) and play a friendly game of pool. Took the wind right out of their sails. LOL The car wash is great day for those who have day game. Never been in one where the women were not smoking hot. When I was there I saw six women. None of them were less than a seven (7).
After I finished at the car wash I went out to get myself something to eat and I saw a building a friend wanted me to check out for him. I was driving. I needed to turn. So I couldn't get him any pictures. It's was located in a very good area within walking distance of everything.
After, picking up my food. I came home. I split off some of my lunch. And gave it to the security guy that takes care of the front gate during the day. That's the only way I know how to operate. Take care of people so they take care of you.
These dominican dudes tried to hustle me at the car wash. Inviting me to play pool. Losing and then offering to play for money. Initially, I told them I only speak English. Imagine their surprise when I told them in perfect Spanish that although I had only been in their country for a short time, I am a man of the world. I am not a idiot. I am here to wash my guagua (truck) and play a friendly game of pool. Took the wind right out of their sails. LOL The car wash is great day for those who have day game. Never been in one where the women were not smoking hot. When I was there I saw six women. None of them were less than a seven (7).
After I finished at the car wash I went out to get myself something to eat and I saw a building a friend wanted me to check out for him. I was driving. I needed to turn. So I couldn't get him any pictures. It's was located in a very good area within walking distance of everything.
After, picking up my food. I came home. I split off some of my lunch. And gave it to the security guy that takes care of the front gate during the day. That's the only way I know how to operate. Take care of people so they take care of you.Even without face shots both of those chicas will work for me.
No my brothers, Santo Domingo is NOT Sosua. Getting pussy here is hard. It's not easy. We don't import, hunt or fish. No pimp sticks needed or back up plans. In Santo Domingo, we straight get up everyday and goto work. We talk to women. Build networks. Learn the city. Learn the hangouts. We are out and about. Yes, we operate on a daily basis. Like surgeons. We are the pussy whisperers. It takes time and it takes skills and it takes knowledge. La chicas untando unas piernas similar a mantequilla en el pan tostado. (And the girls be speadin dem legs like butter on toast). Santo Domingo is strictly or veterans not for freshmen. Cause if you ain't got the skills just say "hell no" because you not getting laid rain, sleet, hail, snow.
Today one of my boys has some time to kill in the morning. He gave me a holla. "I want one of your 1500 peso girls". I'm like bet. Give me a moment. Reached out on whatsapp. Who's available? Sent the picture. My boy said: "That one will work. " Sent the digits. He went to work. Couple of hours later I receive notification from my boy that all went well. Sugar Daddy techniques or no. It's all about the network in Santo Domingo. My girls take care of me. Because I take care of my girls.
Tempoecorto
03-03-16, 02:51
La chicas untando unas piernas similar a mantequilla en el pan tostado. (And the girls be speadin dem legs like butter on toast)Thank god, you are adding the English. Otherwise, I would have a hard time understanding "untando unas piernas" - smearing / greasing some legs?
Thank god, you are adding the English. Otherwise, I would have a hard time understanding "untando unas piernas" - smearing / greasing some legs?Professor Tempoecorto,
Thank you for your non-spanish lesson. And for your literal translation of my phase.
The verb Untar means: 1. To spread. 2. to smear. 3. to grease. Untando (spreading, smearing, greasing) is the gerund (if you don't know what that means look it up).
The verb Separar means: 1. To separate. 2. to split. Separando (separating, splitting) is also the gerund. Taking notes Tempoecorto?
So we have two words in Spanish that mean spread. Similar to: "She spread the butter on the toast. " or "She spread her legs like butter on toast" in English. Separando sus piernas (separating / spreading their legs) would be the proper use of Spanish. Please make a note of it. How's my Spanish now?
I'm here to kick knowledge in people's ear. Not make fun of them. LOL. It's a funny thing: I'm able to communicate here in the Dominican Republic and in United States (with Spanish speakers) just fine. And my girls understand me. Yes, sometimes they have to translate my Spanish to others not used to hearing my American accent. But, if I speak a phase incorrectly they CORRECT me. My biggest problem is how fast people speak down here. It's really difficult for me to understand when people speak rapidly. I'm working hard on training my ear.
An individual who is sincerely interested in helping someone with their language skills corrects the individual. You and Professor Frannie are simply interested in parading your knowledge with a tone of superiority within your posts. You are both probably the type of people that make fun of individuals for whom English is not their first language, that make fun of their speaking patterns and accents. I know plenty of people like you and Professor Frannie. Although I wish I didn't.
What else do you do with your time when are not here in the DR paying girls to fuck you?
Mr Enternational
03-03-16, 14:14
So we have two words in Spanish that mean spread. Similar to: "She spread the butter on the toast. " or "She spread her legs like butter on toast" in English. Separando sus piernas (separating / spreading their legs) would be the proper use of Spanish. Please make a note of it. How's my Spanish now?
I'm here to kick knowledge in people's ear. Not make fun of them. LOL. It's a funny thing: I'm able to communicate here in the Dominican Republic and in United States (with Spanish speakers) just fine. And my girls understand me. Yes, sometimes they have to translate my Spanish to others not used to hearing my American accent. But, if I speak a phase incorrectly they CORRECT me. My biggest problem is how fast people speak down here. It's really difficult for me to understand when people speak rapidly. I'm working hard on training my ear.
An individual who is sincerely interested in helping someone with their language skills corrects the individual.The problem is that it seems you are trying to translate a colloquialism which does not work out too well. No Spanish speaker would use "to spread" in that manner. They would use the verb abrir (to open) when referring to someone parting their legs. So when you try to speak in that manner it will confuse a lot of people.
As you get more familiar with languages you pick up on how some words are used and how others are not used. It is best to keep it simple if you wish to be understood.
It is not that people in DR speak rapidly. It is that many people in the DR are uneducated and speak Dominican or broken Spanish instead of standard Spanish. It is similar to looking at an interview with a Memphis rapper. You speak English and he is from the USA, yet you can not tell what the hell he is saying because his grammar and enunciation skills are so poor.
I remember a long time ago talking to a chick and she was saying "como tu ta. " I could not for the life of me understand what the hell she was saying. Come to find out she was cutting off her words as is common with uneducated people and she was actually saying "como tu estas. " You can tell an educated Dominican right off the bat because they speak clearly and use correct Spanish. You do not have to guess at what they are saying.
When I am writing or talking with a chick I demand they use standard Spanish instead of the BS they are known to use. If they can not do that then I personally have no business talking to them. I explain to them that Spanish is not my first language. When I learned Spanish, I learned standard Spanish. I was not taught hood Spanish or Dominican. I lose a lot of chicks right there because they simply are not able to communicate in actual Spanish, not that they do not want to they simply do not know how to.
I have told the story before of being in Sosua talking to a girl I knew when another girl approached. The girl who I was talking to had the nickname of Mosquito. The girl who came up was calling her Mokito. She asked for her phone number and the way she was saying it was exactly how she entered it into her phone.
I guarantee that if you were to step into Colombia or Costa Rica you would swear that your Spanish comprehension went from 20% to 80% overnight. It is because in those countries more people are educated and a greater percentage of the population speak standard Spanish instead of a non-standard dialect.
The problem is that it seems you are trying to translate a colloquialism which does not work out too well. No Spanish speaker would use "to spread" in that manner. They would use the verb abrir (to open) when referring to someone parting their legs. So when you try to speak in that manner it will confuse a lot of people.
As you get more familiar with languages you pick up on how some words are used and how others are not used. It is best to keep it simple if you wish to be understood.
It is not that people in DR speak rapidly. It is that many people in the DR are uneducated and speak Dominican or broken Spanish instead of standard Spanish. It is similar to looking at an interview with a Memphis rapper. You speak English and he is from the USA, yet you can not tell what the hell he is saying because his grammar and enunciation skills are so poor.
I remember a long time ago talking to a chick and she was saying "como tu ta. " I could not for the life of me understand what the hell she was saying. Come to find out she was cutting off her words as is common with uneducated people and she was actually saying "como tu estas. " You can tell an educated Dominican right off the bat because they speak clearly and use correct Spanish. You do not have to guess at what they are saying.
When I am writing or talking with a chick I demand they use standard Spanish instead of the BS they are known to use. If they can not do that then I personally have no business talking to them. I explain to them that Spanish is not my first language. When I learned Spanish, I learned standard Spanish. I was not taught hood Spanish or Dominican. I lose a lot of chicks right there because they simply are not able to communicate in actual Spanish, not that they do not want to they simply do not know how to.
I have told the story before of being in Sosua talking to a girl I knew when another girl approached. The girl who I was talking to had the nickname of Mosquito. The girl who came up was calling her Mokito. She asked for her phone number and the way she was saying it was exactly how she entered it into her phone.
I guarantee that if you were to step into Colombia or Costa Rica you would swear that your Spanish comprehension went from 20% to 80% overnight. It is because in those countries more people are educated and a greater percentage of the population speak standard Spanish instead of a non-standard dialect.That's what I'm talking about Mr. E. You are kicking real knowledge. And you are correct on all accounts. That explains why after I leave my Spanish class at APEC and head out into the street, I have a hell of a time understanding things. You are right. I have to learn how words are used exactly. It takes time. My point was that Professor Tamponcorto didn't offer up any useful information when it came to improving my Spanish.
I'm lucky to have very educated girls around me. They know how to speak and write proper Spanish and how to speak on the street. In fact, I can hear the difference when they are talking to me and other people. They change into that "Dominican or broken Spanish instead of standard Spanish. " That's what they do here. Even my REAL Spanish professor said she does that when she's on the street or at home. And yes, I'm always trying to translate my American colloquialisms (that was on my SAT test if I remember correctly). My girls love it. They say that's one of your English expressions. Because I have noticed, many Dominicans are in love with all things American (especially New York city). And although we have to work through the language with an explanation sometimes, the way I communicate makes me, me. LOL!
You can get caught up in the proper way to say things or you can just say it and let them correct you. I'm all about communication. That's what's most important to me. It's taken me a while but I'm functioning quite successfully in most situations except for complicated medical and legal ones. But I'm not above taking direction and seeking to improve. I had to take time off from my formal studies of school to take care of other issues. I'm going to return in the fall.
That's what I'm talking about Mr. E. You are kicking real knowledge. And you are correct on all accounts. That explains why after I leave my Spanish class at APEC and head out into the street, I have a hell of a time understanding things. You are right. I have to learn how words are used exactly. It takes time. My point was that Professor Tamponcorto didn't offer up any useful information when it came to improving my Spanish.
I'm lucky to have very educated girls around me. They know how to speak and write proper Spanish and how to speak on the street. In fact, I can hear the difference when they are talking to me and other people. They change into that "Dominican or broken Spanish instead of standard Spanish. " That's what they do here. Even my REAL Spanish professor said she does that when she's on the street or at home. And yes, I'm always trying to translate my American colloquialisms (that was on my SAT test if I remember correctly). My girls love it. They say that's one of your English expressions. Because I have noticed, many Dominicans are in love with all things American (especially New York city). And although we have to work through the language with an explanation sometimes, the way I communicate makes me, me. LOL!
You can get caught up in the proper way to say things or you can just say it and let them correct you. I'm all about communication. That's what's most important to me. It's taken me a while but I'm functioning quite successfully in most situations except for complicated medical and legal ones. But I'm not above taking direction and seeking to improve. I had to take time off from my formal studies of school to take care of other issues. I'm going to return in the fall.
My point was that Professor Tamponcorto didn't offer up any useful information when it came to improving my Spanish. I told you how to tell if a noun ending in 'o' is masculine or feminine, so that should help your Spanish a lot. Also how to use 'adentro'.
The problem is that it seems you are trying to translate a colloquialism which does not work out too well. No Spanish speaker would use "to spread" in that manner. They would use the verb abrir (to open) when referring to someone parting their legs. So when you try to speak in that manner it will confuse a lot of people.
As you get more familiar with languages you pick up on how some words are used and how others are not used. It is best to keep it simple if you wish to be understood.
It is not that people in DR speak rapidly. It is that many people in the DR are uneducated and speak Dominican or broken Spanish instead of standard Spanish. It is similar to looking at an interview with a Memphis rapper. You speak English and he is from the USA, yet you can not tell what the hell he is saying because his grammar and enunciation skills are so poor.
I remember a long time ago talking to a chick and she was saying "como tu ta. " I could not for the life of me understand what the hell she was saying. Come to find out she was cutting off her words as is common with uneducated people and she was actually saying "como tu estas. " You can tell an educated Dominican right off the bat because they speak clearly and use correct Spanish. You do not have to guess at what they are saying.
When I am writing or talking with a chick I demand they use standard Spanish instead of the BS they are known to use. If they can not do that then I personally have no business talking to them. I explain to them that Spanish is not my first language. When I learned Spanish, I learned standard Spanish. I was not taught hood Spanish or Dominican. I lose a lot of chicks right there because they simply are not able to communicate in actual Spanish, not that they do not want to they simply do not know how to.
I have told the story before of being in Sosua talking to a girl I knew when another girl approached. The girl who I was talking to had the nickname of Mosquito. The girl who came up was calling her Mokito. She asked for her phone number and the way she was saying it was exactly how she entered it into her phone.
I guarantee that if you were to step into Colombia or Costa Rica you would swear that your Spanish comprehension went from 20% to 80% overnight. It is because in those countries more people are educated and a greater percentage of the population speak standard Spanish instead of a non-standard dialect.
I remember a long time ago talking to a chick and she was saying "como tu ta.It is common in Dominican dialect and some other dialects of Spanish, to drop the 's' sound except at the beginning of a word or before a vowel, like Sosua. As a linguist you should know this. Get used to it.
Mr Enternational
03-03-16, 18:53
It is common in Dominican dialect and some other dialects of Spanish, to drop the 's' sound except at the beginning of a word or before a vowel, like Sosua. As a linguist you should know this. Get used to it.And which other dialects of Spanish would this also be common in? So how do you account for the "es" that is dropped at the beginning of "estas"? As I said it is an informal dialect aka improper Spanish. That is not taught at schools. You will not see that written in a book nor on the evening news. It is a part of being uneducated.
And which other dialects of Spanish would this also be common in? So how do you account for the "es" that is dropped at the beginning of "estas"? As I said it is an informal dialect aka improper Spanish. That is not taught at schools. You will not see that written in a book nor on the evening news. It is a part of being uneducated.Cuba, Puerto Rico, Venezuela, Andalusia, the Canary Islands.
And like I said, there are grammatical rules for the aspirated 's', which you as a linguist should know. In "como estas" both esses are aspirated or deleted, but in "Sosua" neither of them are. I already explained this rule to you. Every chica knows this linguistic rule, but you do not.
http://web.haskins.yale.edu/sr/SR119/SR119_15.pdf
Calling it a sign of lack of education or ignorance is just like calling African American speech ignorant because it does not conform to Standard American speech as used on CNN or CBS. Half the mongers on this board refer to "Sousa" instead of Sosua, so most of the chicas have one up on them.
In any dialect of English, you will, of course, find that the people who speak the broadest form of the dialect tend to be less educated than those whose speech conforms more closely to the written language, but so what?
So how do you account for the "es" that is dropped at the beginning of "estas"? As I said it is an informal dialect aka improper Spanish. That is not taught at schools. You will not see that written in a book nor on the evening news. It is a part of being uneducated.In linguistics, elision or deletion is the omission of one or more sounds (such as a vowel, a consonant, or a whole syllable) in a word or phrase. Sometimes sounds are elided to make a word easier to pronounce. The word elision is frequently used in linguistic description of living languages, and deletion is often used in historical linguistics for a historical sound change.
In French, elision is mandatory in certain contexts, as in the clause c'est la vie (elided from *Ce est la vie).
In Spanish, elision occurs less frequently but is common in certain dialects. It is never marked by an apostrophe in writing. Of particular interest is the word para, which becomes pa. Multiple words can be elided together, as in pa trabajar for para trabajar and pa delante or even pa lante for para adelante.
From Wikipedia.
In the example you give of "como ta" for "como estas", the e vowel is elided as the tongue moves forward from the position in the o sound to its position behind the upper front teeth for the t sound. If you say "como eta" quickly, the e sound is hardly heard at all, so it is convenient to slide over it, Professor E.
My point was that Professor Tamponcorto didn't offer up any useful information when it came to improving my Spanish.
I told you how to tell if a noun ending in 'o' is masculine or feminine, so that should help your Spanish a lot. Also how to use 'adentro'.You referenced my post but I didn't mention you at all. Furthermore you didn't add any new information. So what was the purpose of your post? Were you just trying to make yourself feel good again Professor Frannie? Were you feeling left out of the praise?
I'll help you out with a little feel good praise and some constructive criticism. I appreciate your Spanish instruction also Professor Frannie. But your presentation sucks so your lesson often gets lost in your within the depths of your pedantic style of writing.
Continuing to LMFAO at you!
You can get a HIV blood test from any reputable lab in the Dominican Republic for 200 to 400 pesos and get the results the next day. In fact you can get an entire STD screening from 1800 - 2500 pesos depending upon the lab. But that will take three days because that's how long the culture for Chlamydia takes to grow and provide a result. Best part about it. Once you see a doctor and receive the lab order you can pick up the results, read them, and decide for yourself if you need to return for treatment.
Oh, I forgot to mention you will get your results in Spanish. If you are like me and you don't really have a good command of the language, you might want to seek out assistance from one of the many Spanish Professors available here on the board. LOL.
Tempoecorto
03-05-16, 17:51
An individual who is sincerely interested in helping someone with their language skills corrects the individual. You and Professor Frannie are simply interested in parading your knowledge with a tone of superiority within your posts. You are both probably the type of people that make fun of individuals for whom English is not their first language.Unfortunately I am not here to help improve anyone else, financially, spiritually, morally let alone linguistically. I only commented because, if there are others who would like to learn Spanish, reading your posts, they would be get wrong cues. The reason has been ably explained by Mr. E.
As far as superiority, it would be hard for me to comment but I sure find it amusing to read people whose first language IS English. Granted, this is not the forum that discusses The Economist articles.
Unfortunately I am not here to help improve anyone else, financially, spiritually, morally let alone linguistically. I only commented because, if there are others who would like to learn Spanish, reading your posts, they would be get wrong cues. The reason has been ably explained by Mr. E.
As far as superiority, it would be hard for me to comment but I sure find it amusing to read people whose first language IS English. Granted, this is not the forum that discusses The Economist articles.For those of you who do not know, English is not Tempoecorto's first language.
An individual who is sincerely interested in helping someone with their language skills corrects the individual. You and Professor Frannie are simply interested in parading your knowledge with a tone of superiority within your posts. You are both probably the type of people that make fun of individuals for whom English is not their first language. I post here mainly for the benefit of people reading who want accurate information about traveling to the Dominican Republic, meeting women there, learning to speak Spanish, and so on. If you are posting something on a discussion board that can be read by anyone anywhere in the world, then whatever you post becomes of general interest.
You posted what you though was a Spanish phrase that contained some errors. By doing this you showed that many beginners in Spanish have a hard time knowing whether a noun ending in 'o' takes the masculine or feminine form for article and adjectival agreement. I wrote down a simple explanation of which nouns ending in 'o' are feminine (very few indeed, and 'la mano' is the only one your really need to know.). You did not know that. Now you do. But more importantly, anyone reading this will have the same information and they will not go to the DR believing that 'la toto' is the Spanish for 'pussy'.
As far as me writing in a 'pedantic' fashion, I am writing for people all over the world, some of whom may not speak English as a first language (like Tempoecorto!) It just makes sense to try to write as clearly and unambiguously as possible. If I were to try to write in my native dialect, it would be hard for most people to understand, and anyway there would be no need for it. But here is a sample:
Along wi three friends fra t'dialect class.
Ah wor gi'en a lift t'other Monda'.
But t'step wor too 'igh, an' Ah really did try.
Ah thowt Ah weant ger in 'ere till nex' Sunda'.
Mi skirt wor too tight, an' try as Ah might.
Ah just cudn't get mi leg ovver.
Bert wor reight gud, an' 'e gev mi a shove.
But Ah caused 'I'm a fair bit o' bother.
The above contains a number of linguistic features that will be of interest to some readers like Professor E.
Wolvenvacht
03-06-16, 14:01
These dominican dudes tried to hustle me at the car wash.
( . . . )
That reminds me of that '70's movie Carwash (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074281/?ref_=nv_sr_1).
Unfortunately I am not here to help improve anyone else, financially, spiritually, morally let alone linguistically.Yes, that was what I thought. It was the point of my earlier post. But it was good to hear it directly from you. Thank you Professor Tamponecorto.
But more importantly, anyone reading this will have the same information and they will not go to the DR believing that 'la toto' is the Spanish for 'pussy'.Professor Frannie,
Toto is indeed a masculine noun meaning "female genitalia". It is considered vulgar language. And you would not use the world in polite company. So you would indeed interpret the word to mean "pussy". Now I when I wrote "la toto", I was trying to say "the pussy". So I should have wrote, "el pussy". But if I had of wrote "toto" for "pussy", it would have been correct.
Like I said before I'm here to kick knowledge. If my knowledge is incorrect, correct me. Don't just keep repeating yourself trying to make your point and to make yourself feel good.
Continuing to LMFAO at you!
Professor Frannie,
Now I when I wrote "la toto", I was trying to say "the pussy". So I should have wrote, "el pussy".
If my knowledge is incorrect, correct me.
Nope, you should have written 'del pussy' because you were trying to say 'inside the pussy' (dentro del toto).
Good luck with your studies. You will soon know how to ask for some pussy in Spanish. Alternatively you could just ask "¿ficky ficky conmigo?
Nope, you should have written 'del pussy' because you were trying to say 'inside the pussy' (dentro del toto).Thank you for the correction Professor Frannie.
Good luck with your studies.Thank you Professor Frannie.
Alternatively you could just ask "ficky ficky conmigo?That's Spanlish. And I'm surprised you would advocate such a poor use of language. I'll leave that for those without true ability to communicate with girls or game such as yourself.
You will soon know how to ask for some pussy in Spanish.I don't have to ask for pussy in Spanish or any other langusge. I know how to get into pussy without asking. Do you Professor Frannie?
Tempoecorto
03-08-16, 02:57
Alternatively you could just ask "ficky ficky conmigo?Wonder how "ficky ficky" got so popular from Thailand to the DR. Idiots could not pronounce "fucky" or it came from German "Ficken"? Idle curiosity.
Wonder how "ficky ficky" got so popular from Thailand to the DR. Idiots could not pronounce "fucky" or it came from German "Ficken"? Idle curiosity."In Hamburg, witnesses described groups of young men who followed women calling out "*****! Ficky ficky!" " (quote from recent newspaper report).
Now, in Sosua what you find are groups of young women following men calling out "Mi amor! Ficky ficky!
It just seems like we have a kind of mismatch situation going on.
Mr Enternational
03-09-16, 05:45
Wonder how "ficky ficky" got so popular from Thailand to the DR. Idiots could not pronounce "fucky" or it came from German "Ficken"? Idle curiosity.I have never heard anyone here in Thailand say ficky ficky. They all say boom boom. Maybe you are thinking about Vietnam. Although I did not hear it in Vietnam either, I think the lady in the Full Metal Jacket movie said fucky fucky or sucky sucky. But your idea is the same as the word bambino that we discused before.
Frannie I guess the hunter has become the hunted in Sosua.
Professor Frannie,
You are always on my case about my written Spanish. But I seem to be able communicate with Spanish speakers (other than you of course) just fine. People are not telling me "Que" o "No entiendo". And I don't have any problems with my girls understanding me. How do you explain that?
Manizales911
03-09-16, 15:39
Professor Frannie,
You are always on my case about my written Spanish. But I seem to be able communicate with Spanish speakers (other than you of course) just fine. People are not telling me "Que" o "No entiendo". And I don't have any problems with my girls understanding me. How do you explain that?My spanish sucks from a technical aspect but I also have no problems communicating with the locals and to me that's all that matters. I'm too busy having a good time to worry about whether I conjugated a verb correctly or not.
Professor Frannie,
You are always on my case about my written Spanish. But I seem to be able communicate with Spanish speakers (other than you of course) just fine. People are not telling me "Que" o "No entiendo". And I don't have any problems with my girls understanding me. How do you explain that?1. Money talks.
2. Usually if Spanish speakers do not understand something they say "como?" for the English "what? So it is no surprise that you are not hearing people say "que?" if they do not understand you!
My spanish sucks from a technical aspect but I also have no problems communicating with the locals and to me that's all that matters. I'm too busy having a good time to worry about whether I conjugated a verb correctly or not.To let you into a secret, so does mine. Getting things right when you are having a full speed conversation can be much harder than doing it on paper since you cannot look up vocabulary that you are uncertain of, so you have to think ahead to figure out how to get round the word that you don't know. On the other hand the locals appreciate it if you make an effort. If you learn as an adult, your spoken Spanish can never be flawless, anyway.
Usually if Spanish speakers do not understand something they say "como?" for the English "what? So it is no surprise that you are not hearing people say "que?" if they do not understand you!Professor Frannie,
That has not been my experience. When I first hit the island and I was trying to speak Spanish I heard "que?" quite a bit. I rarely heard "como?" I also found that the Spanish I was learning in the classroom was very different from the Spanish that was being spoken to me in the street. But, when I was in a formal business setting I heard more formal Spanish. At this point I seem to be able to communicate just fine. And I'm in many situations where money is NOT the issue.
Tempoecorto
03-10-16, 01:01
I have never heard anyone here in Thailand say ficky ficky. They all say boom boom..Can't remember my Vietnam days well but you are right about boom boom, LOL. Perhaps I heard ficky ficky in Jakarta?
"The European Chamber of Commerce in the Dominican Republic has announced it will be hosting the Dominican Republic Forum to promote the country as a tourist destination. Special guest speakers will be Minister of Tourism Francisco Javier Garcia and ambassador Alberto Navarro, head of the European Union delegation in the Dominican Republic. The event is scheduled to take place at the JW Marriott on 6 April 2016. The theme will be discussing the potential of the Dominican Republic for becoming the hub of the Caribbean, and center of multi-destination tourism.
The conference is taking place at a time when leading US airlines have announced they will begin flying to Cuba.
Upon making the announcement, chamber president Hans Witsenboer advocated for less taxes to attract more tourists. He said that air arrivals pay charges of US $93.50 per air arrival. He proposes to reduce this to US $33.50 to encourage more visits.
Witsenboer said that to encourage cruise ship visits, the government considerably reduced the taxes charged for sea arrivals. A total of 300,000 are already expected this year, with prospects to increase to 600,000 in 2017 and one million by 2018. " - from another popular website about the DR.
If the government of the Dominican Republic takes the same step to it did to increase cruise ship visits that should lower ticket prices. That is if airlines pass on their tax savings to their customers.
Uber gives a fare estimate of 1300 pesos from SDQ to greater Santo Domingo.
Go up to 2nd floor there is a van that takes locals in town. I have taken it 3 times with no problem 100 pesos. It requires persistent looking but is well worth it.
Uber gives a fare estimate of 1300 pesos from SDQ to greater Santo Domingo.
Go up to 2nd floor there is a van that takes locals in town. I have taken it 3 times with no problem 100 pesos. It requires persistent looking but is well worth it.I'm going to have to give that a try the next my next trip. Thanks!
Of course I do!
One of the esteemed members of this forum has suggested that I don't really know much about the Dominican Republic because I have not traveled the country in constant search of new pussy. To this charge I plead: No contest.
I have not found the need to travel the island in search of pussy. All the good pussy I know has legs. And I have found most of it to be very eager to deliver itself to my doorstep right here in Santo Domingo. But when you roll like I do (luxury apartment with a ocean view and a pool), it's not that hard to establish relationships with personal pussy suppliers willing to service you in ways best left to your imagination. But being a "hombre completo" (complete man) I am always open to suggestions. And have I decided to venture forth to explore the island. My adventures will be detailed here.
Live long! And may the pussy be with you!
So I bought this chica a Pink fishnet catsuit (That's right I did it. I'm better than Santa Claus. I'm a philanthropist. I give all year!) and she is parading around here in it. Then cuddling up next to me on my chase to watch the game. This is the stuff Penthouse fantasies are made of. LOL.
I fingered her to an orgasm during half time. And late in the game when her team was starting to get blown out she proceeded to give me some of the most lovinging head. Teasing and moving slowly and lightly. It drove me crazy. Felt so good I almost passed out when I finally blasted a big load of cum in her mouth. She kept sucking until she drained every drop. Then discreetly made her way to the bathroom to spit.
Man after that I'm here to announce to the esteemed member that I'll be canceling all future trips. I have no interested in taking up gardening at this point in my life. I'll leave it to the esteemed members of the forum to hoe the fields and work with the garden tools. LOL.
Live long and may the pussy be with you!
"In Hamburg, witnesses described groups of young men who followed women calling out "*****! Ficky ficky!" " (quote from recent newspaper report).
Now, in Sosua what you find are groups of young women following men calling out "Mi amor! Ficky ficky!
It just seems like we have a kind of mismatch situation going on.Late to the conversation, sorry, but, yes, I'd say the volume of German sex tourists in Thailand accounts for the use of the word "ficky. ".
As you said, the German verb for F is "ficken" which I can easily see gets shortened to "ficky. ".
Regular women are motivated by more than just money. They are often interested in different experiences. Many members of the esteemed membership fail to understand this. Probably because all they have to offer is money. But there are an elite few that know how roll like I roll!
Had the "Pan Frances" working today. The chicas drop their panties for my American cooking. I post pictures of my meals on my Whatsapp. I tell them you only get breakfast if you spend the night with me. I currently have a waiting list. LOL.
Live long and may the pussy be with you!
Professor Frannie,
That has not been my experience. When I first hit the island and I was trying to speak Spanish I heard "que?" quite a bit. I rarely heard "como?" I also found that the Spanish I was learning in the classroom was very different from the Spanish that was being spoken to me in the street. But, when I was in a formal business setting I heard more formal Spanish. At this point I seem to be able to communicate just fine. And I'm in many situations where money is NOT the issue.Trivia point.
There are often very different regional uses of Spanish.
In some places, people say "Que?" some, "Como?" (in Mexico, they often say, "Mande?" -Mexican has its oddities).
For example, "Gua gua" is Caribbean; in most of Latin America, its "Autobus".
Mr Enternational
04-01-16, 21:46
For example, "Gua gua" is Caribbean; in most of Latin America, its "Autobus".In Colombia one of those little buses is called a buseta. But in Brazil a buceta is a pussy.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1859330]In Colombia one of those little buses is called a buseta. But in Brazil a buceta is a pussy.[/QUOTE
]Yes. And in Colombia, a van is a "camioneta" (camion = truck) and a small plane is an "avioneta. ".
Differences in local terms can cause confusion.
In many places "tirar" is to shoot, or throw. In Colombian slang, it also means to F*.
I read somewhere about a gringo talking about wanting to throw someone into the street, "tirar" somebody en la calle".
And the amused group wondered why he wanted to F* the guy in the street.
Mr. Oakie,
I saw that you indirectly referenced my post in the Sosua section. So I do not clog up the valuable flow of information being shared about Sosua. I've decided to answer your post here. Point by point.
Every so often we have guys here getting into pissing contests.
That's OK, but when they start talking about "keeping it real", I start to laugh, and feel the need to chime in.No, my man. Saying anything other than "Sousa is great" disturbs the throngs of pussy faithful who make their annual pilgramage (and more) to pay hommage to chicas.
First of all Sosua is a brothel. Got it?An entire town is a brothel? You are wrong about that. Almost 50,000 people live in Sousa. According to the information I have read in the Sosua forum there are about 200 - 300 sex workers available. If that is the case, what exactly are the other approximately 45,500 people doing? At best Sosua has a red light district. And don't think for a minute that if they can find a way to replace the income the sex tourists bring in that they won't shut it down.
You are a regular customers of hookers. A john, a trick.Here you are speaking about yourself. I am sure it is a very accurate description of what you do in Sosua. But, I have not read where you have been appointed spokesperson for the Association of Men who pay for sex.
You are not "lovers", not a "harem keepers".Once again I understand that's you. And quite possibly it is not possible to do in Sosua what I do Santo Domingo. Nor would you be interested in doing it.
You go to Sosua because you are needy.Are the men who travel to Sosua in such dire NEED (your word) that they travel to another country to pay women for sex? My thoughts are that if that is the case then maybe they should seeing a health care provider in their respective country of origin. I've always thought that paying women for sex was a lifestyle choice. I hope individuals are not allowing themselves to become such a repulsive human beings as to only have Sosua as a sexual outlet.
If all DR women are just beef, you are just a convenient ATM machine, and they play you like fiddles.Once again you are only speaking about the women that you pay for. The professional women working the streets and bars of Sosua. You think you can buy any woman in the DR? YOU CAN'T! Don't get it twisted my man. And check yo self in the mirror.
As for your 10's. If what gets posted here from time to time are 10's, you need to reshuffle the deck. Just post pictures, let the guys decide.When I am in Sosua fucking women for money and they want their photos posted for advertising purposes I'll do that. And no you won't find any 10's in Sosua. 10's don't need to go there.
And those other know it all guys who have all the "game" they need to get it for free, whatever, but you need to be posting somewhere else, or just stay home with all that "game".I haven't seen anyone posting about free sex in the Sosua section. Or talking about game. Exactly where is this coming from. My thoughts is that it must be a reading comprehension problem.
So lets really keep it real, and remember that that the cute McDonalds server who smiles at you is not likely to be in love with you. If you don't pull out your cash fast enough, she'll stop smiling and call the cops.This may upset some of the more egotistical among you, but I learned this a long time ago, and have more satisfactory reality based relationships, both long term and short. Sosua is great, but cash is king, not you :) And when you are bragging here about "cheap sex", don't forget to factor in that air fare and hotel bill, and maybe a week off work!Oh so the man who laughs when someone says something about keeping real now wants to keep it real with us. They problem is that your reality is based solely upon your opinion. But my post was referencing a trip report written by someone else. According to your logic the experiences of another person are not real when they fail to support your beliefs.
That my man is not keeping it real it is Solipsism.
Mr. Sammon,
You said:
I do not know what the argument is about. We go to DR for sex. One way or another we pay for it.Is that any different from how you operate in your own country? So we have no argument there. If you review the posts carefully in the Sosua section it started when a member of this esteemed forum had the nerve to write a negative review of the Sosua section. It upset the true believers.
Once in a while we get lucky and meet a horny lady who does not want money. It is not a regular occurance but can happen. To say you go to DR with empty pocket hoping to score free is not going to work.Everybody on the board is paying for sex. Please show me the posts where people are saying they get free sex.
To say every girl you meet is faithful to you and keep her legs closed waiting for you is just a myth. More so in Spanish culture than Asian culture. Asians in their defense can wait for sex long time. But each girl will get into bed with anybody anytime without regard to loyalty to one if she so chooses.Who on this board said anything about monogamy? I hope you are not expecting monogamy from a woman you are paying for sex. Or for that matter from a woman you met while on vacation and fucked for free (no matter what her country of origin). And please tell me how this is any different in your country of origin?
You want to talk culture. How about the fact that here in the DR Sosua is not mentioned in mixed company? Did you know that? Prostitution is legal not socially approved. At least not in the social circles I run in. That's a big difference that the sexual tourists don't understand. No woman here is trying to advertise outside of their tight circle of friends that they sleep with men for money. Just because it's wide open in Sosua does not make it so in the rest of the country. And if you need proof of that simply RTFF. Compare Santo Domingo or Santiago to Sosua or Boca Chica.
The Defense rests.
Shout out goes to Grownman and Grownman Hair Enterprises. He made a brief stop on the way to the Sue to hook me up with some hair for my #1. He was like "Who is the lucky lady? I told him. He said 'she's going to love it'. He was right!
I gave it to her and she started jumping up and down in her bra and panties. And then she began dancing around my bedroom. I'm thinking: "Damn this is a lot more interesting than being in a strip club". LOL. After the impromptu dance show she tore into a packet and declared the quality to be good. And so it was.
Later that night we went to her place. She was showing her hair off to some other chicas and yes, as Grownman told me, the other chicas declared the quality to be good. And so it was. One of them wanted to put in an order. I hit Grownman up. Told him I needed to re-up.
But the chica wanted to make payments. I'm thinking: "Does the Subcmdr look like a bank or hair finance company to you". I might be Santa Claus. I might be a philanthropist. I might let the chicas rummage through my bank account. But this is business. I don't offer terms. I need cash baby. Pesos. I'm waiting to hear back.
There are many critics out there. But you are a man in the arena, so credit goes to you not to them. Thank you Grownman!
Shout out goes to Grownman and Grownman Hair Enterprises. He made a brief stop on the way to the Sue to hook me up with some hair for my #1. He was like "Who is the lucky lady? I told him. He said 'she's going to love it'. He was right!
I gave it to her and she started jumping up and down in her bra and panties. And then she began dancing around my bedroom. I'm thinking: "Damn this is a lot more interesting than being in a strip club". LOL. After the impromptu dance show she tore into a packet and declared the quality to be good. And so it was.
Later that night we went to her place. She was showing her hair off to some other chicas and yes, as Grownman told me, the other chicas declared the quality to be good. And so it was. One of them wanted to put in an order. I hit Grownman up. Told him I needed to re-up.
But the chica wanted to make payments. I'm thinking: "Does the Subcmdr look like a bank or hair finance company to you". I might be Santa Claus. I might be a philanthropist. I might let the chicas rummage through my bank account. But this is business. I don't offer terms. I need cash baby. Pesos. I'm waiting to hear back.
There are many critics out there. But you are a man in the arena, so credit goes to you not to them. Thank you Grownman!Thanks for the shout-out I knew she would love it. It's funny 30 minutes prior to you calling my friends were asking about the guys who shared the Coors with them during the Superbowl. They told me to tell you thank you again for the switch up. And then you called. I don't know if a chica wants to make payment plans you are in a great position. You are here all the time. I wish I can give some of these chicas payment plans. When they have their money I am not here. You are here all the time. I had to learn the long way women buying shit different. They put a claim on things before they have their money. The good thing is once they put their money down they are going to try hard to hurry and pay it off.
Once your girl starts hooking her friends up with hair she will become empowered. The girls love the attention they get from their friends. I sit at my number one distributor's casa watching an influx of new pussy buying hair pretending I'm not interested. They give me the look like I wish I can f*** you instead for this hair. A few have.
I grew up in DR Santiago till I was 20 years old. That was like 25 years ago. Back then going to brothels or finding hookers was not the norm and was some type of aberration that many did, but discreetly. An uncle took me to a brothel in Santiago when I was 16, but he asked me then not to tell my mother or anyone. Although it seems from staying in Sosua or Boca Chica and seeing so many chicas and guys looking for them and because it also legal that getting the chicas is normal, it is still considered a lifestyle of the perverted. The perception of most foreigh people also changes from being on those chica populated places and I noticed that many think that all Dominican women are putas or chicas and this is not true at all. From the time I was living there till today, I can see that prostitution has grown greatly, but it is still not view in the Dominican society as a good thing...as no one wants it to be known that that they visit brothels frequently or go to Sosua or other places to get hookers. Or just try this experiment, try to assimilate the society, move to a nice middle class or upper class neighborhood, and tell people that you are a gringo that goes to DR to pay for chicas, bring the chicas in to the neighborhood, be opened about it, and see how people will react. You will be called soon "el gringo de las putas" and will soon be an outcast despised in the neighborhood. The chicas will still love you though and Sosua will still receive you with open arms.Mr. Cerebro is keeping it real. This is a classic post. So when I speak of the "Sexual Tourist" I mean it in a descriptive term. Nothing more. All those who don't know now you know.
I'm still in two minds about whether to retire to Thailand or to some other country. The DR would be on my radar since I like black girls and speak the lingo. However the reports I'm reading here about problem girls and police hassle are sobering. How would you guys rate the DR compared to a wall-to-wall scam country such as the Philippines (or a relatively scam-free country such as Thailand)? Confrontation with greedy police is something I don't want to have to worry about on a weekly basis. In particular, if I become a resident in the DR and find myself a local semi-pro as a regular girl or even a cohabitant (whom I rewarded at the going rate) is there any chance of getting rid of her when I want to or would I face an insurmountable blackmail and drama worse than if I had married her? Thanks for any opinion.Mr. XXL,
I'm answering you in my thread to avoid the nonsense that populates the Sosua thread.
I can tell you about the DR, specifically my experiences in Santo Domingo. But I can't really compare them to Thailand or the Philippines.
Problem girls
Those are tourists talking. You know what you like and you speak the language. This is a not a problem for those who are street smart and know the deal. These women are the professionals. Unless you are on the street buying pussy everyday no one is a veteran compared to these girls. You need a straight poker face. Because if you have a tell they will read it and use it. Just got back from my first time to The Sue and BC. Had a great time. No problems. I had a good advisor and my skill set from the inner hustler that served me well. Planes take off and land everyday. You only read about failures. It's similar on ISG.
Police Hassle
If you are not drunk, fighting or driving you are unlikely to ever have an encounter with the police. If you do have an encounter with the police how you handle it depends on if you are doing something wrong, how much time you have, and how much you are willing to pay. It's up to you.
Companionship
I have wide range of girls available to me:
Girls with jobs, barely surviving, going to university.
Girls without jobs living in poverty going to university and trying to improve themselves.
Girls without jobs who claim to be living in poverty but show up in designer jeans, full make up, hair and nails perfect claiming the are going to university and trying to improve themselves(marketing). Their story is they need milk for their baby(guilt trip). I tell them: "Buy all the milk you like with the pesos I give you. My milk is for you. ".
Girls with boyfriends both here and via western union that are open with me and therefore I am open with them.
Semi-pros.
Pros.
I would never live with a girl here. I do business with a Dominican that is about the same age as I am. He has 4 children, all by different girls and has never lived with any of them. He tells me never to let a Dominican girl live with you. Invite them over, go to their house, take them to cabanas, but NEVER let them live with you.
Once you help a girl out financially. You can tell her no as much as you want. She's not going to stop dealing with you because of a temporary setback. You have helped her before she is going to stay with you because of the possibility you will help her again. I never have to "get rid of her". You either have a position on my team or you get cut. When you get cut I don't answer your texts or phone calls. They get the message. If I want to give them another chance I just reach out on whatsapp. If it's about the money 9 times out of 10 I get a response. The only ones that have refused to continue to deal with me are the ones that had real feelings for me or wanted the type of relationship that I was not interested in.
I have an income similar to yours available to me. I maintain both a US and a DR household. My girls think I only have half the money to live on that I do. I tell them I've paid for everything over there and that's how I can do it. I live like a fucking boss on $2000/ month. I support my harem (which currently consists of three girls) on less than the sexual tourists pay for their plane ticket.
My advice is to do long term rentals in all three countries before you decide where you want to set down.
This report has been written by a persona that might best be described as a verbose exercise in "narcissism" who never seems to miss an opportunity to promote the wonder and beauty that is him. You may receive mental discomfort through your eyeholes by reading this report. Reader discretion is advised.
This report has been written by a persona that might best be described as a verbose exercise in "narcissism" who never seems to miss an opportunity to promote the wonder and beauty that is him. You may receive mental discomfort through your eyeholes by reading this report. Reader discretion is advised.So, on the drive back from The Sue, Mr. GoGo teaches me how to handle an AMET speed trap. We are rolling south. Speed unknown because I'm riding shotgun. And we are on an approach vector. The uniformed AMAT officer is on the left side of the road waving his radar gun. He begins walking out into the road waving more franticly. We are closing the distance. He is standing in the middle of northbound lane at the dividing line, waving both arms like a crazed man, just as we blow past him. Mr. GoGo doesn't so much as tap the breaks, ease off the accelerator, or miss a beat when it comes to our conversation. Why he doesn't just change his Spanish name to Santiago is beyond me.
Mr. GoGo drops me off at my ocean view apartment and rolls to the airport to turn in his SUV. I head into my apartment. Dining room is flooded due to heavy rains while I was gone. Fuck it. I'll clean it up later. I got pussy to catch. Drop the big bag. Load up the small bag and head back out. I pull up to the airport in the gran jefe mobile just as Mr. GoGo is coming out. I love it when a plan comes together. Now we are rolling to Boca Chica and it is raining like a very hard. But it's not a problem because we are big dogs, off the porch, and running without a leash. Don't hate mother fuckers (you know who you are)!
So we arrive in Boca Chica at the Villa Capri Hotel to check in. Mr. GoGo has a reservation, but I'm just winging it, and I don't. They don't have a room for me. The only room they do have is the two bedroom suite with a balcony. Mr. GoGo graciously invites me to share his room so we split the first night. It's $35 each. Now that's a damn good deal. Drop the luggage and head off to the Strip for a bite to eat. We decide on Village by the Beach. It is still raining very hard and although the table is under cover rain is coming off the overhangs like it being poured from buckets.
It's very nice. Sits beach front with a rustic dark wood tropical feel. We are just relaxing and chilling after the long drive back. Mr. GoGo's phone is vibrating so much, because of all the chicas trying to get on his jock now that he's back in town, a waitress is threatening to sit on it. I'm sitting there at my table over looking the beach and something terrible happens to me. A horrible offence to my eyeholes just penetrated my brain and left me traumatized. On the beach is a fucking white jabba the hut with two chicas at his table at the restaurant next to us. I know this is the beach but there should be some kind of law against that. What's next him putting leashes on the two chicas.
Ok, back to reality. I'm looking at that and for the first time I'm feeling sorry for the chicas. I'm thinking DAMN, I may be old but at least I'm not a repulsive human being like that mother fucker over there. Those chicas are earning every peso of their money today. Smh. Back to the menu. It looks good. I order some chicken, vegetables and a salad. Food comes and we have a nice relaxing lunch interspersed with rain and sun. We get the check, pay and bounce.
As we head (oh shit, another bad pun) out we are besieged by the massage girls. Mr. GoGo explains that the type of uniform is the tell (fuck or no fuck). Neither one of us interested in service at this point so we move on. I want to buy some fruit. So we go for a casual walk down the BC strip. There are a few chicas on the stroll but nothing that really catches my eye. I find the local street fruit vendor and have him fix me up a plate. It's freshly cut exactly how I want it. 100 pesos. Bet. I grab my fruit plate and head across the street to the BC park where the guaguas arrive and leave. I have a seat on the park bench and take in the sights. Mr. Gogo posts up on the corner for the best view. He points out the Argentinians street vendors in the park, the working girls and the touts. After making a dent in my fruit place I tell Mr. GoGo let's walk. There are two working girls sitting at the colmado near the park but it's too early to make a choice yet. Mr. GoGo shows me more of the strip and on the way to the other end the massage girls run up on us again. Must be a slow day because about a half dozen of them just sitting around doing nothing. They are not trying to give a brother no conversation so get the fuck out of of here. Mr. GoGo show me more. We head to another one of his spots. It has an ocean view and is a great place to have a relaxing drink. I meet a BC fixture named Bob. We are like hey we have something in common. A little chit chat and small talk about where we are from and then back into the gran jefe mobile, to the hotel and it's chill out time.
So, we back at the Villa Capri. Mr. GoGo ain't in the room for 5 minutes til he off on a chica run. DAMN Brother, I'm afraid of you. I'm still in straight chill mode. I get a knock on the door. "My chica has a friend for you" I hear from the other side of the door. I'm like "what does she look like". Mr. GoGo has a picture. Chica looks good. Mr. GoGo ain't making me take one for the team and I appreciate that. Out onto the balcony to hang out with GoGo and his chica. GoGo got the music playing through his iPad. We chilling. Life is good. Critical mother fuckers, don't see any of why'all in sight. Why would I? We are men in the arena.
Other chica arrives. She looks fine. GoGo grabs beer for all of them water for me. I'm in straight lightweight mode cause I gots some dominican superbug up in me and it's kicking my ass. I still can't drink. Back to the chicas: Houston we have a problem. Chica got attitude and I get enough of that at home from my harem. Chica got to go. Quick side bar with GoGo to apprise him of the situation. Then I take the chica inside and explain (in my poor Spanish) that I appreciate the fact she came out to see me and that she looks good. But we just don't share any chemistry and I am sorry about that. She says that's life. I leave her on the couch and GoGo being the gentleman he is cleans up the mess. He decides to kick his chica loose for the night and bang her out tomorrow. NICE. That's what gran hefe's do. We running things. Change of clothes and we are once again mission ready and cleared for takeoff.
So we take a walk to the strip from the VC down the side street. We exit out the front gate and turn the corner and this chica on drugs hits GoGo up with a "cum anywhere you like" 1000 peso offer. I'm like "shit what the fuck has GoGo got me into". Gogo waves her off like a plane making a bad carrier approach. While we continue our walk GoGo informs me that's one of the things he doesn't like about BC. There is heavy drug use by chicas here. I'm thinking "oh really, I've never considered fucking a chica on a "E ticket" ride. Damn good idea my brother".
Two blocks down is a casa. Huge yellow complex thinly disguised as a "discotecha". We enter to take a look. We are invited in and GoGo is feeling the girls. But I am hungry and I'm getting a bad vibe (or is that just my stomach rumbling). We are offered a seat at a table and I'm like "hey GoGo let's come back later. I want to get something to eat". Something is not right. Don't know what it is but I'm not interested in sticking around to figure it out. Being a good flight leader GoGo listens to me and we peel out of there. We continue our walk down to the strip and come to the conclusion that we should take a moto to return in order to decrease our exposure to the "colorful element" that populates that part of BC.
Now we are walking along the strip and looking for something for me to eat because GoGo is not hungry. I'm not feeling any of the establishments so we wind back up at a table in the street in front of Village by the Beach. I decide on a hamburger and GoGo orders his drink of choice. While sitting at our table the working girls on the stroll are passing by. It appears to me that the Italians got BC on lock. Every smoking hot dark skin chica seems to have Italian attached to her. They must be dropping some serious money. Because those perfect hair, nails, dresses, skirts and heels that the chicas are sporting gettin paid for by somebody.
At a restaurant next to us this short stocky Italian guy has TWO smoking hot dark skinned chicas at his table. They finish their meal and he takes a walk with them with his hands behind his back while his girls trail him a step behind. Now I'm thinking "What a dumb mother fucker. He has NO idea what he has there. " Two fine ass chicas like that were with me I'the have them hanging all on me. Wouldn't be walking in the street as if I'm in a military procession". But hey to each there own my brothers. Dowhatchalike!
So the hamburger comes out and I ask for 1000 Island Dressing. The owner comes to my table and apologizes. He tells me that they don't use anything out of bottle. If it's on your plate they made it here. Since they don't get many requests for that they don't have any. But next time I visit their fine establishment, as soon as I sit down make my request. They will get started on it right away and have it ready with my meal. BOOYAO motherfuckers! Now that's what I call customer service. They just made a customer for life. He suggests mixing the ketchup and mayonnaise as temporary solution. That works for me.
During dinner GoGo is telling me to chill out with the electronics. I got two smart phones and my hotspot out. I'm in the process of upgrading the equipment of the mobile command post MPC (a gran hefe like me needs that kind of stuff) and I'm still working out the bugs. A chica happens by that I fancy but I'm not finished with dinner or ready to make a choice. I'm having technical difficulties with my MCP in the field. Not really being that bright all this new equipment is kicking my ass.
I'm not making a connection with her via whatsapp, so she thinks am full of it (and sometimes I am). The SubCmdr can't catch a break from NOBODY. I finally get my electronic act together but by then she has moved on frustrated. Oh well. Fuck ya later! No battle plan survives contact with the enemy. While continuing to take in the sights we saw this European blonde. She was an older lady (relatively speaking to my preferences but I would still fuck if asked), great body, walking along the strip strutting her stuff with two Dominican boy toys trailing her. Go on sister. Dowhatchalike!
Dinner is finished the bill is paid and it's time to hit the streets again. I'm in search and penetrate mode and my missile tipped with a moisture seeking work head is in seeking mode. It's tracking but no tone yet. After the last few days in The Sue, I'm a card carrying member of the STICK AND MOVE Crew. I don't see the point of seeking GFE from working girls. I'm looking for PSE. Straight fucking; no kissing.
Move as team, never move alone, so welcome to the pussy zone!
Mr. GoGo and I head down the street walkin, talkin and taking in the sights. We get to another establishment where GoGo has VIP status. The waitresses are in a near riot of who gets his table. I'm hoping a fight breaks out and some serious hair pulling starts going down. I never try to miss out on a good marketing opportunity. One of the waitresses with a past history with Mr. GoGo (I'll let him provide the details if he wants) wins the battle. While observing the tussle I find one the waitresses attractive. So, I roll up on her. We chat and a let her know I want her phone number and I'll wait for her until after her shift. Then I walk off. All rise! The honorable SubCmdr is holding court. Please be seated.
We are at the table and the waitress gives me attitude because I order water. I'm getting used to it but it can't be helped. And trust me, I'm as unhappy about it as they are. LOL. A table full of chicas sits down next to us. One of them is very interesting to me. She does not fit the program. Does not look the part. She's a white girl in a sea of color. Cute face with a sweet look, jeans, t-shirt and tennis shoes. I like her. She notices my interest and Mr. GoGo calls her over. Says something to her and she comes over to me and starts rubbing on my chest. Starts talking to me about a massage how she is ready to go to the room. I'm like I'm not interested in no massage. So she hits me with the, ok not just a massage sucky-sucky, fucky-fucky and I look at her like DAMN girl, slow your fucking roll. Pump your breaks. GoGo tells her "my friend doesn't like that, you need to be more tranquilo with him". I tell her maybe later but not right now. So she sits down. I ask GoGo, "How does a girl that looks that sweet go from 0 to sucking dick in 5. 1 seconds?" She had me until she broke into that mode. He tells me the girls are hardcore here in BC. They all have a hard edge and that's what makes the experience qualitatively different from operating in The Sue. Damn straight my brother.
While still recovering from assault with a pussy weapon, my waitress I fancy rolls up with a napkin and tell me she gets off at 2 AM. Excellent! The back up plan is in place. My thought if that all else fails I'll be busting my nut all up in ya by 3. Gogo invites an interesting group of brothers to the table. They have names. But I don't remember any of them. One of them claims to have taken over the apartment of the owner that ran the Jamaican restaurant. Said the owner had to return to his country to handle pressing business. I left it at that. Apparently they were also a VIP group in the BC, because after they sat down the pussy parade kicked into high gear. I observed. And I found it was good.
I'm having a great time because it's a seedy, edgy place. Yo soy tan barrio. It's my kind of place. The evening progresses and we are talking about all kinds of stuff at the table. It's the kind of conversation that you can only have live and in person. Where everyone is on vacation and having fun. Pussy is parading around the table. Up and down the street. In and out of the bar, man I'm loving this scene.
GoGo comes back to the table and tells me that the waitress that I'm waiting on propositioned him in the bathroom. I'm like did you fuck her? He's like "She was suppose to be waiting on my boy". I'm like "No man you are supposed to take that opportunity". He told me he left to tell me about it and I'm like "You passed up the pussy?" he's like "I think she is on drugs or drunk". I say, "That's great". He tells me "I need to ask her about it". I tell him "Ask her about what? I'm still going to fuck her if you didn't". Like Rick James says "The kind you don't take home to mother. " LOL But I respect what you did bro. Being the narcissist that I am. If the situation was reversed, I would have fucked her and told him about it later. But hey that's me. And everybody here knows me. Right?
I was already in the twilight zone, but now we just moved into the third dimension of craziness. He's pointing to her and saying that's her. That's her. Yeah my man that's her. LOL I had over to talk to her about it. But of course she denies it, lights up a cigarette and asks me to buy her a beer. Too cool. I tell her maybe later. I tell her I want to have a beer with her after work. She tells me she has another hour. For me it's all good. Hit me on whatsapp when you are done with work. I'm going to Batay. And I head back to my table. It's about midnight maybe one in the morning I am not keeping track. GoGo wants to show me Batay. I'm cool with that. I got the waitress' number as the fall back position if nothing is going down there.
So we walked down the street to Batay. Up the stairs and in. It's great. I love the place. It's huge, wide open, but pretty desolate inside because this is an off night. But I actually like these conditions. We run into this crazy woman GoGo calls Ms. Santiago. She's all up in my grill. But there is just something not right about this girl. So we dance a little bit then I send her on her way because optical sensors just picke up a target of interest, a smoking hot chica that's behind her. Turns out the chicas I am interested is the cousin of one of Gogo's friends. He explained the relationship to me, but to be honest, he lost me because I wasn't really listening. I was focused on the smoking hot chica!
I rolled up on my target and start talking. She's doesn't understand me at all. I'm thinking my Spanish is bad but it's not that bad. Her cousin tells me she's only been in the country for five days. It's French, Creole and a little bit of English. Oh hell yes! High value target 12 o'clock. I'm tracking. The cousin of the chica invites me to sit down at their table. We are having a conversation and it's a blast because it just like picking up a girl in a regular nightclub. I buy the cousin and her drinks. They are drinking Pina Colada's and they really got me on that one it was 400 pesos, for both. LOL. It's time to arm the moisture seeking missile. Onto the dance floor for some dirty dancing. She's grinding that big O ass on me. I am authorized to engage. I got tone! I got tone! Out the door and down the stairs to waiting motos. We are up, we are on and we are off. I'm on my second Moto ride of the trip with a chica. I'm feeling her up her up really good and I'm liking everything I be puttin my hands on. Riding into the night with a pure sense of anticipation of the bedroom adventure coming up. BOOYAO!
So we arrive at the Villa. GoGo says no matter how good your game is BC always gets you for from 100 to 500 pesos. It's just so relentless that it happens to everybody. Tonight is my turn: Normally it's 50 pesos to ride from the club where I picked up my Haitian hottie to my hotel. So two people is 100 pesos. We arrive at the hotel my date is Haitian, the driver is Haitian and he tells me "My brother we are both black and I know you're going to take care of me so just give me what you want. " I'm thinking oh shit, I'm about to get jacked. He's trying to play on "I don't want to look cheap in front of my date" but I give him the standard hundred pesos that I know is right. At which point he goes off. "Is that THAT the best you could do for me my brother? I'm thinking: "don't hit this mother fucker, don't hit him. I know that's what he needs right now but don't do it. Stay calm, I got this smoking hot chica here. She's ready to go and no you're not going to do this to me. You are not going to spoil my mood and my adventure". I gave him another hundred pesos. Go away fuck away with your trifling ass.
In the front gate, into lobby, stop by the front desk, hands over her cedula? Five days in the country and you have a cedula? Hmmmm. How did that happen? The pending action puts that question on the back burner. Up the stairs and into the room. She's a sweetheart. The panties come off and her entire ass is tatted up. It was big. It was firm. It was the kind of ass "even white boys have to shout Baby got Back". She was very sensual and loving. But when it was time rock the party, she took the dick with no complaints about me going too hard, being to big or position changes. I spent a lot of time in doggy so I could observe the work she had done. It was great. It was actually better then any sex I've had with a Dominican here on the island. It was the second experience with a Haitian chica that I've had like that. She left me completely satisfied.
She hit the shower afterwards and even though it was late she wanted to go home. Although we never discussed money, I left some for her when she was in the shower. She comes out of the shower, gets dressed. She looks at it, picks it up, counts it. She has a sad pouty look on her face. I ask if something is wrong. She says yes. "What's wrong?" I ask. It's not enough. I'm like no? How much do you want? She tells me. I say not a problem for you my love and give it to her. She lights up. I don't care. The experience for me was priceless!
Even though it is late (almost 4 AM) she says she wants to go home. So we are down the stairs. She retrieves her ID and the front desk clerk sees her out. I'm back up the stairs and checking my phone. Nothing. I hit up my waitress. I ask if she was still interested. I received an immediate response. She said yes. But tells me she saw me with another chica and so didn't want to bother me. Good chica, I like that. She asked if she could see me now. I told her I needed to get some sleep. I would holla at her later. She's on my to do list for next trip.
Lights out!
Great report, that is your true calling, not wasting energy on useless debates. You remember things in the report I had forgotten. You made me live it again which a good report will make happen.
Thanks
That was much better than your first time in Sosua report. Your details put me right there with you.
So, on the drive back from The Sue, Mr. GoGo teaches me how to handle an AMET speed trap. We are rolling south. Speed unknown because I'm riding shotgun. And we are on an approach vector. The uniformed AMAT officer is on the left side of the road waving his radar gun. He begins walking out into the road waving more franticly. We are closing the distance. He is standing in the middle of northbound lane at the dividing line, waving both arms like a crazed man, just as we blow past him. Mr. GoGo doesn't so much as tap the breaks, ease off the accelerator, or miss a beat when it comes to our conversation. Why he doesn't just change his Spanish name to Santiago is beyond me.
Mr. GoGo drops me off at my ocean view apartment and rolls to the airport to turn in his SUV. I head into my apartment. Dining room is flooded due to heavy rains while I was gone. Fuck it. I'll clean it up later. I got pussy to catch. Drop the big bag. Load up the small bag and head back out. I pull up to the airport in the gran jefe mobile just as Mr. GoGo is coming out. I love it when a plan comes together. Now we are rolling to Boca Chica and it is raining like a very hard. But it's not a problem because we are big dogs, off the porch, and running without a leash. Don't hate mother fuckers (you know who you are)!
So we arrive in Boca Chica at the Villa Capri Hotel to check in. Mr. GoGo has a reservation, but I'm just winging it, and I don't. They don't have a room for me. The only room they do have is the two bedroom suite with a balcony. Mr. GoGo graciously invites me to share his room so we split the first night. It's $35 each. Now that's a damn good deal. Drop the luggage and head off to the Strip for a bite to eat. We decide on Village by the Beach. It is still raining very hard and although the table is under cover rain is coming off the overhangs like it being poured from buckets...Nice detailed report. It was so clear that I thought I was walking the clubs in Manilla & Angeles City, Philippines. Good job Sub.
That was much better than your first time in Sosua report. Your details put me right there with you.Thank you GrownMan and Mr. GoGo. Only men in the arena can recognize quality work when they see it. The critics are worried about spelling, grammar, improper word use and punctuation. But when you are a critic that's all you have to offer. And we know the credit doesn't go to them.
Had to spend a little time putting the idiot savants of the board in check. Now I have time to move onto more creative endeavours. That was the cliff note version of Sosua. My initial impressions. As they say in the news, the story is still developing.
I'm having a great time because it's a seedy, edgy place. ! High value target 12 o'clock. I'm tracking. The cousin of the chica invites me to sit down at their table. We are having a conversation and it's a blast because it just like picking up a girl in a regular nightclub... The panties come off and her entire ass is tatted up. It was big. It was firm.
She hit the shower afterwards and even though it was late she wanted to go home. Although we never discussed money, I left some for her when she was in the shower. She comes out of the shower, gets dressed. She looks at it, picks it up, counts it. She has a sad pouty look on her face. I ask if something is wrong. She says yes. "What's wrong?" I ask. It's not enough. I'm like no? How much do you want? She tells me. Even though it is late (almost 4 AM) she says she wants to go home.!So much does a high value target with a fully tatted ass found in a seedy place where it was like picking up a girl in a regular nightclub get for short-timing you?
Mr. Frannie, thank you for being a voracious reader of my posts. I'm glad you liked it. Still haven't put me on ignore yet? Out of a 4073 word report that is your comment. Interesting!
That makes you a critic. Try being a MAN in the arena for once!
I thought that was the most interesting aspect of your post.Thank you for proving that you are nothing more than just a critic and still not ready to step into the arena. I understand. And so do most others.
So much does a high value target with a fully tatted ass found in a seedy placeMr. Golfinho, I picked her out of Batay. Here is what I actually wrote:
So we walked down the street to Batay. Up the stairs and in. It's great. I love the place. It's huge, wide open, but pretty desolate inside because this is an off night. But I actually like these conditions.Wasn't seedy in there. It's a state of the art club that attracts both tourists and Dominicans and on the weekends it is packed. It's the place to be in BC after hours. If you don't know know you know.
Maybe you didn't read my report accurately? No comprendo. Que es su pregunta otro vez? (I don't understand. What was your question again)?
Nice detailed report. It was so clear that I thought I was walking the clubs in Manilla & Angeles City, Philippines. Good job Sub.Thank you FibMac. Only men in the arena recognize quality work when they see it. The rest are critics and we know they do not count.
So much does a high value target with a fully tatted ass found in a seedy place where it was like picking up a girl in a regular nightclub get for short-timing you?So how much does a high-value target with a fully tatted ass found in *Batay?* where it was like picking up a girl in a regular nightclub get for short-timing you (leaving at 4 am)? Comprende?
Tempoecorto
05-19-16, 23:31
I thought that was the most interesting aspect of your post.I have not read Subcmdr's "Boca Chica" notes but going through his usual retorts to prove his Manhood (and without fail, on an abrasive note), I noted "endeavor" and "skeptic". You being a Brit, may have wondered why.
So how much does a high-value target with a fully tatted ass found in *Batay?* where it was like picking up a girl in a regular nightclub get for short-timing you (leaving at 4 am)? Comprende?Mr. Golfinho, are you continuing to have reading comprehension problems? Here is what I wrote:
Although we never discussed money, I left some for her when she was in the shower. She comes out of the shower, gets dressed. She looks at it, picks it up, counts it. She has a sad pouty look on her face. I ask if something is wrong. She says yes. "What's wrong?" I ask. It's not enough. I'm like no? How much do you want? She tells me. I say not a problem for you my love and give it to her. She lights up. I don't care. The experience for me was priceless! Even though it is late (almost 4 AM) she says she wants to go home.Objection! The question assumes facts not in evidence. Sustained. Rephrase the question Mr. Golfinho.
Dime su pregunta otro vez. Comprende?
I have not read Subcmdr's "Boca Chica" notes but going through his usual retorts to prove his Manhood (and without fail, on an abrasive note), I noted "endeavor" and "skeptic". You being a Brit, may have wondered why.
The critics are worried about spelling, grammar, improper word use and punctuation. But when you are a critic that's all you have to offer. And we know the credit doesn't go to them.Enough said!
I have not read Subcmdr's "Boca Chica" notes but going through his usual retorts to prove his Manhood (and without fail, on an abrasive note), I noted "endeavor" and "skeptic". You being a Brit, may have wondered why.This post really surprised me, because I consider you are very mellow and fair guy. So for you not to scan below for his report before you make a new judgment is completely out of character for you. Maybe you were so concerned about siding with your fellow Brit instead of doing research and fully understanding and then making a judgment shows that country loyalty trumps being fair.
Larry David
05-20-16, 15:32
Mr. Golfinho, are you continuing to have reading comprehension problems? Here is what I wrote:
Objection! The question assumes facts not in evidence. Sustained. Rephrase the question Mr. Golfinho.
Dime su pregunta otro vez. Comprende?I'll ask. What was your original offering? How much more did you give her? Pesos or dollars?
Charles Pooter
05-20-16, 18:33
... siding with your fellow BritI don't think Tempoecorto will be very pleased to be called "a Brit".
Tempoecorto
05-21-16, 03:13
This post really surprised me, because I consider you are very mellow and fair guy. So for you not to scan below for his report before you make a new judgment is completely out of character for you. Maybe you were so concerned about siding with your fellow Brit instead of doing research and fully understanding and then making a judgment shows that country loyalty trumps being fair.Gogo,
The spelling automaton on this forum did not allow readers such as yourself see the fun of Sherlocking (if one could coin such a word) by looking at words used: I had written "Endeavor (with an added u)" and "Skeptic (with a see rather than the K)" that did not come through but those British spellings were used by the original author and it was curious. Perhaps this person was raised in the islands many of which has strong British influence. The words appeared not in his long mail (for which I do not have patience) but in his short and periodic retorts to whoever dares to write a comment. I have no interest in siding with no one (double negatives intended), other than the fact that this person has an abrasive tone that detracts from the usual information exchanges. But in this specific case, a spelling quirk was merely an interesting pointer, and certainly not meant as a critique. Finally, as Charles Pooter pointed out, I have no fellow Brits in this forum, LOL.
This is a thread to discuss the named topics and share my adventures here in the Dominican Republic (DR). A catch all place for things that just don't fit into the action packed threads of the different cities that are focused solely on the pro action. Cultural observations, philosophy, economics, game, chica psychology, negotiation, and anything else that leads to getting the panties on the floor action (POF) that we are all looking for.
I asked her for a BJ and she said only with a condom. I told her I do not want a CBJ.
On my last trip to Sosua, about 90% of the girls I was with, insisted on CBJ. And now we have another example of the "qualitative difference" I spoke about between sex with regular women and sex with working girls. I do not receive offers for CBJ from my harem girls. But my experiences in The Sue and BC mirror those of the above posters at about a 75% rate of CBJ.
I have regular girl on my list who is at best a 7. However the sex with her is a 10. She is no super freak but sex with her is just real. She enjoys it and you can feel it. Sex is 90% mental. Sport fucking is a blast when you have been cooped up for months in the States. Now the down side of the quote regular girls. They need to courted and groomed. This takes money and time. If you have both then go for it.
And now we have another example of the "qualitative difference" I spoke about between sex with regular women and sex with working girls. I do not receive offers for CBJ from my harem girls. But my experiences in The Sue and BC mirror those of the above posters at about a 75% rate of CBJ.
Sex is 90% mental. Sport fucking is a blast when you have been cooped up for months in the States. For me I like my sex to be more physical. I get asked why I deal with a lot of Haitians. In my experience, the Haitians fuck game is overall better. I don't want super pretty in the bed if she can't work her ass. Those pretty ass Dominicans coming out of Classico don't look like they are ready to put in work. They have the attitude like I am pretty and that's all I need to be. Those bunnies (ol taught me that term) don't want you to messy up there hair and make them sweat. They are for the guy that love the idea of sexing a pretty girl even if the session is average. I always tell my friends first you going to fuck girls of your dream. After you get that out your system you're going to want to choose a chica you can have fun with.
I always tell my friends first you going to fuck girls of your dream. After you get that out your system you're going to want to choose a chica you can have fun with.The Germans have a word for a girl who's very good-looking but not that much into sex. They call her an "optical fuck" ("Optikfick"). It means you get aroused by what you see and not so much by what you feel.
This being said I'd have thought the main difference between a regular girl and a one-night-stand girl is that the former would agree to go bareback given enough guarantees. Bareback makes much difference.
Even if the sex is covered I find CBJ a joke. If a girl anywhere offers me CBJ I turn it down because it makes my cock deflate like a punctured balloon.
I have found that there is absolutely no difference between any type of sex with a condom and bareback. When I say no difference I mean that quality of my sexual experiences has not been affected by either of those factors. I have received excellent sex while using a condom complete with CBJ. And I have had mediocre sex during completely bareback encounters.
I have a tendency to feel the energy and vibe of the situation and go with it. By going with the flow and letting her choose the activities she is comfortable with when we are together the first time, I tend to get a better performance out of her. This is true for my harem, booty-call and working girls.
Now, I don't really require much out of my sexual experiences. Tacit cooperation and not fighting me is more important than engaging in any one type of physical activity. But she needs to be able to take the dick and have some endurance. If she taps out, as long as she is willing to finish the job some other way I'm appreciative of that.
I have found that there is absolutely no difference between any type of sex with a condom and bareback. When I say no difference I mean that quality of my sexual experiences has not been affected by either of those factors. I have received excellent sex while using a condom complete with CBJ. And I have had mediocre sex during completely bareback encounters.
You said that when you were in Sosua, on one occasion you described, you found it difficult to climax. That could have been partly because of using a condom which would reduce sensitivity.
We are all different. Personally I cannot stand using a condom for any kind of sex, and would rather go without sex than use a condom, though obviously there are times when it would be foolish not to use one. Mucus membranes beat rubber every time. Sex with a condom is like jerking off into a sandwich wrapper.
Mr. Frannie this is what you said then:
Executive Summary: Went to Sosua, got a room, walked around a bit, got something to eat, found a nice-looking hooker, struck a deal for sex, but found it hard to finish the act due to taking Viagra.This is what you say now:
You said that when you were in Sosua, on one occasion you described, you found it difficult to climax. That could have been partly because of using a condom which would reduce sensitivity.Actually you are wrong on both accounts. This is what I said in my report:
The problem is endurance. She can't take no dick. And she hurting herself because just when I'm about to give her the only gift I have (the gift of leche) she gets tired of the position and wants to change.
Mr. Frannie this is what you said then:
This is what you say now:
Actually you are wrong on both accounts. This is what I said in my report:From your report:
She goes into this tirade about taking to long to fuck her, being on Viagra, not giving her my leche quickly enough and because of all that I have to give her 500 more pesos. It is a well-known fact that both taking too much Viagra and using a condom both make it harder to climax in a reasonable time. You did not specifically deny that you used Viagra, not that it really matters. Anyway she thought you were having trouble coming in a reasonable time, but you thought she had difficulty having sex for a normal length of time for a man to come. Who knows?
The girls we sport fuck with are often not aroused consequently the sex is not comfortable for them. I bring lube and use massage to gain ease and compliance. Men can not perform when they are not aroused but women can fake it. I noticed in the past that some girls limit your penatration. It became obvious to me when a Haitian girl open wide and pulled me in deep.
Mr. Frannie this is what you said then:
This is what you say now:
Actually you are wrong on both accounts. This is what I said in my report:
Anyway she thought you were having trouble coming in a reasonable timeMr. Frannie,
With all due respect, when did the woman who is being paid for sex get to dictate the "reasonable time" the man who is paying has to cum? Presuming there was even such a thing and there isn't (unless the Dominican Supreme Court has made a ruling I'm not aware of). OK, let's play this out to a level of complete absurdity: Wouldn't it be better for her to state specifically the amount of time you had and then set a stop watch? Of course this would all need to be discussed before hand in order to determine if the man was going to be satisfied with the time allowed. To do anything else is simply a "bait and switch" tactic. In this particular case in Sosua it did not happen.
Getting back to my original post:
I have found that there is absolutely no difference between any type of sex with a condom and bareback. When I say no difference I mean that quality of my sexual experiences has not been affected by either of those factors. Tacit cooperation and not fighting me is more important than engaging in any one type of physical activity. But she needs to be able to take the dick and have some endurance. If she taps out, as long as she is willing to finish the job some other way I'm appreciative of that.From my Sosua trip report.
But to my surprise she goes ahead and finishes the job. She spits and is pissed.Although she could not take the dick nor was she tacitly cooperating. She finished the job and therefore I was appreciative of that. The use of the condom ultimately proved to be unrelated to my perceived satisfaction. The more you quote from my report, the more you provide support for the points I made in my original post.
Tempoecorto
05-27-16, 00:39
The girls we sport fuck with are often not aroused consequently the sex is not comfortable for them.You are quite right about pro women not being aroused. However, the other side of the story is that nowadays, thanks to watching too much porn, and to medication, many men think humping for one hour is the norm. Indeed if you hump for too long, your dick gets sore and is not too much of a happy camper after three days of orgy and so, it is not a win for a man either.
You are quite right about pro women not being aroused. However, the other side of the story is that nowadays, thanks to watching too much porn, and to medication, many men think humping for one hour is the norm. Indeed if you hump for too long, your dick gets sore and is not too much of a happy camper after three days of orgy and so, it is not a win for a man either.I always tell a chica if she can makes leche early she's really done her job. For me good pussy Trump's a good session.
I always tell a chica if she can makes leche early she's really done her job. For me good pussy Trump's a good session.I usually go for 30-40 minutes. I always bring my own lube and condoms so I know they are safe.
In the old days, I would go for 2 shots on goal. But now I prefer as much "IN" time as possible.
I usually go for 30-40 minutes. I always bring my own lube and condoms so I know they are safe.
In the old days, I would go for 2 shots on goal. But now I prefer as much "IN" time as possible.That's right Mr. RedNose1! Men in the arena go hard. Welcome to the club.
When you have girls who meet your needs and are not working girls you build special relationship. They provide you with very good sex and GFE. You provide them gifts and cash when it is reasonable for you. The sex with these ladies is usually a step above the average spot fuck.Thank you Mr. OldKool for your "straight no chase" explanation of the concept I have described as the "qualitative difference" between regular women and street chicas. You are indeed a man in the arena!
Back to the subject of my thread:
Some of you motherfuckers come on this board and want to brag about how much support you provide your temporary employees. The poor women of Sosua are just feeding their families and you have flown with dick in one hand and pesos in the other to provide much needed relief for the economic misery that pervades the lives of chicas throughout the island. It is time for a reality check. Better close your eye holes cause the Subcmdr about to kick some real knowledge in ya cerebral cortex about the cost of living in the Dominican Republic.
1000 pesos a month will feed one kid. That's right! I said 1000 pesos feeds one kid for a month. And you paying the chicas 1000 to 1500 pesos a fuck? You are helping feed her kids? Only if you are her first fuck of the month? Nah man, more likely you be paying for the iPhone / Samsung Galaxy, hair and nails prepared in the salon, clothes, shoes, visits to the gym and the boyfriend who knows or doesn't know how she is really making her money. Trying to maintain their dignity my ass! They are there because they made a choice. It's easy money for them. That's my opinion. You don't have to like it. This is a user blog. I'm not clogging up the main forum with the diatribe posted daily by most of the membership.
Yet some wish to take issue with the way I run my PPDS (Personal pussy delivery service). I operate from the knowledge of what things really cost here. I can support my entire harem (currently 3) on less than the average cost of a plane ticket for the Sexual Tourist. And that's before they have paid for hotel, food, gifts (some expensive; most are cheap) and hourly (or nightly in some cases) pussy rental.
When presented with the possibility that since I live here I might actually know more about parts of the island other never explore and that I have the chance to deal with a different type of chica in a different way, well that idea is immediately rejected. When presented with the idea that there are significant differences in the different chicas available on the island, the Sexual Tourists are confronted with an idea that simply does not compute and it throws them into an apoplectic fit. From the very moment of my first post I have understood this.
I did not have to negotiate an amount up front before any of my harem girls slept with me. There wasn't a quid pro quo. I didn't have to interview them for a detailed list of sexual acts they would or would not perform with me. In fact none of my harem girls ever asked for any money up front. In addition we have the advantage of being adults. Healthy relationships based on mutual respect. I don't have to stalk them on Facebook or lose sleep watching their "last active" status on Whatsapp. We are all free agents. But we take care of each other. That's what's understood. The question of if the respect is based on their personal enjoyment of me or my money is an exercise left for the reader. I'm perfectly content with enjoying getting my dick sucked as much as I want or fucking them until one of us taps out. With my harem girls, I don't have to exercise some enhanced sense of manhood, "my way or the highway" mentality in making sure my pussy is on call and available to me. I'm perfectly fine with working around the things that come up in the day-to-day lives of regular women (kids, work, school, periods, in some cases boyfriends).
Booty call girls are a little different. There is a straight puta personal aspect to those relationships. And they have a more traditional transactional nature to them. But it's still a little more gentile than the straight street chica mentality I experienced in Sosua or Boca Chica. But of course my philosophy is more along the lines of: "Your time, your money, your dick!
An esteemed member and I had a conversation. I was wondering why so much of the membership is unable to make the fine distinctions between the different types of chicas that live here. Of course my position is very clear. Touristas de sexo (Sex Tourists) think they know the Republica Dominicana because they have been coming here for years and they have traveled the island working with garden tools to sow their oats within the narrow confines of the fertile lands they seek. Somehow they feel the narrow view of the country and its culture they experience makes them experts on the people and culture within the entire Dominican Republic. That's the real problem I have with the Sexual Tourists and critics. They project their experiences onto others and make assumptions about the country they are visiting based on a very narrow range of experiences. Then they have the nerve to be critical of me or to tell me I don't know what I'm doing. Of course I do motherfuckers. I live here! But the critics are many; they are vocal; they are the critics. And men in the arena know that they do not count.
Every seen a Haitian woman pushing a baby stroller through the barrio loaded with candy and snacks for sale? If you haven't then maybe you should get out more. My number #3 works 5 days a week, 10 hours a day. Goes to university on the sixth day. On the seven day she rests. She makes 12000 pesos a month. My cash gifts add seventeen percent to her monthly income (do the math). She cooks for me and cleans my (ocean view) apartment when she's here. She fucks and sucks me as much as I want. She wants to be here more than I want her to be. This is what I am speaking of when I say "qualitative difference". It is well documented that only about 20% of all women in the Dominican Republic are involved in prostitution. How do the other 80% of women survive since they are not interested in being paid to take your dick? May we have the envelope please?
They put in work! They put in work someplace other than on their backs or on their knees.
Just saying!
1000 pesos a month will feed one kid. That's right! I said 1000 pesos feeds one kid for a month. And you paying the chicas 1000 to 1500 pesos a fuck? You are helping feed her kids? Only if you are her first fuck of the month? I would like to know how you calculated this and what nutritional standards you consider to be reasonable.
I agree that rice is pretty cheap and older children can drink water, not juices or sodas, and fresh fruit is fairly cheap in the DR, but you say you can feed a child (age unspecified) for 1000 pesos a month, but one glass of milk daily or a small carton of chocolate milk would use up more than half of this budget of about US $0. 75 per day regardless of whether you buy ready made or the powders like Nido or Alpha plus that have added vitamins and minerals formulated for children. School lunches in the DR cost 100 pesos or more daily, so that alone could be 2000 pesos per month. [CodeWord131] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131) are 15 pesos each if bought singly and a bit cheaper if bought in larger packs, but 2 or 3 per day would meet your 1000 pesos. How about health insurance and the cost of medications? A bottle of pediatric Augmentin is how much? I think about 400 pesos. A bottle of cough medicine? A copayment at the pediatrician office? And then there is the cost of childrens clothing, school uniforms, shoes, back-to-school supplies, and so on. Transportation to school in a guagua will run about 2000 pesos a month and not much cheaper using motoconchos. And then women may have to pay caregivers to mind the children while they work if they don't have mothers doing this.
I would like to know how you calculated this and what nutritional standards you consider to be reasonable.In your reply, you jump all over the age spectrum in your estimate of costs and we both know they will differ dramatically depending on the specific age of the child. Since you desire to challenge my statement, I would like to see your age specific list of expenses for raising a child in the Dominican Republic at Dominican standards in pesos. Pick any age you would like. Give me your specific examples of how much it costs to feed your child or the child of someone you intimately know. Feel free to do this by PM if you don't want to reveal this private information in a public forum.
How about health insurance and the cost of medications? A bottle of pediatric Augmentin is how much? I think about 400 pesos. A bottle of cough medicine? A copayment at the pediatrician office? And then there is the cost of childrens clothing, school uniforms, shoes, back-to-school supplies, and so on. Transportation to school in a guagua will run about 2000 pesos a month and not much cheaper using motoconchos. And then women may have to pay caregivers to mind the children while they work if they don't have mothers doing this.You have a valid point. You have pointed out that there are additional costs of raising a child (age unspecified) here in the Dominican Republic. But my post did not address those issues. I specifically addressed the costs of feeding a child. Here is what I wrote:
1000 pesos a month will feed one kid. That's right! I said 1000 pesos feeds one kid for a month. And you paying the chicas 1000 to 1500 pesos a fuck? You are helping feed her kids? Only if you are her first fuck of the month? Nah man, more likely you be paying for the iPhone / Samsung Galaxy, hair and nails prepared in the salon, clothes, shoes, visits to the gym and the boyfriend who knows or doesn't know how she is really making her money. Trying to maintain their dignity my ass! They are there because they made a choice. It's easy money for them. That's my opinion. You don't have to like it. This is a user blog.
It is well documented that only about 20% of all women in the Dominican Republic are involved in prostitution. How do the other 80% of women survive since they are not interested in being paid to take your dick? May we have the envelope please?
They put in work! They put in work someplace other than on their backs or on their knees.
Just saying!
In your reply, you jump all over the age spectrum in your estimate of costs and we both know they will differ dramatically depending on the specific age of the child. Since you desire to challenge my statement, I would like to see your age specific list of expenses for raising a child in the Dominican Republic at Dominican standards in pesos. Pick any age you would like. Give me your specific examples of how much it costs to feed your child or the child of someone you intimately know. Feel free to do this by PM if you don't want to reveal this private information in a public forum.
You have a valid point. You have pointed out that there are additional costs of raising a child (age unspecified) here in the Dominican Republic. But my post did not address those issues. I specifically addressed the costs of feeding a child. Here is what I wrote:When you are buying food for a family, it is almost impossible to quantify the exact amount of food bought for a single child at any specific age point, but you have claimed that a child can be fed for less than a dollar a day. I know of a child whose mother was paying around 2000 pesos per month for school lunches, so that is about 100 pesos per school day, so already double the amount that you state is the norm in the DR. The exact amount varied depending on exactly what she ate. It was no cheaper to pack lunches or snacks for the child to take to school.
But a small ice cream cone is about 30 pesos, a quart carton of milk is about 42 pesos, a small bottle of cold water is 10 pesos, a can of beans is 40 pesos, so how can you feed a child on about 33 pesos a day, which is what you say?
Since you have this certain knowledge that it only costs 1000 pesos per month to feed a child in the DR, I am sure there are lots of readers and lost of families who would like to know how this is done. If you can feed a child on 75 cents a day in the DR, you can probably do it on 50 cents per day in the US.
I realize you said this is just for food, and does not include other expenses of raising children, but I think that when girls say they need money to feed their children, they are just simplifying the whole story a bit to avoid going into details. If the chica's mother is taking care of the children, the chica is probably sending her money out of which the grandmother will also feed herself, buy [CodeWord131] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131), milk formula, and other things the child needs. When a chica says she needs money for food for her children, that is not a promise to spend any funds received on absolutely nothing but nutrition for the child (ren).
Anyway, you have made this claim that a child in the DR can be fed on 1000 pesos a month, which is less than a dollar a day. Now please explain what this will buy for the child, so that we know you are not just bullshitting. You are the person on the ground who has this superior knowledge that we do not have. I, on the other hand have lived in the DR for more than 2 years (though I am not there now) and fed two children at various ages and do not see how one could feed a child on 1000 pesos per month even if you eliminated all luxuries and treats and minimized portions of proteins like chicken, fish, and eggs and fed the child mainly on rice and beans.
Share your knowledge with us, if you have any.
You missed the entire point of my post. Women do not need to be prostitutes to feed their children. If you wish to debate this issue with me then address the fact that it is estimated only 20% of women are prostitutes in the Dominican Republic, but 80% of the children in the Dominican Republic are not starving. Do any of you care to share your knowledge on this issue? Do you have any to share? Here is my knowledge on the issue: I've taken my #2 to the store and she has spent 5,500 pesos on just food (acknowledging that it takes a village of critics to raise a child) for herself, two children, her sister and her child (to share) and the Aunt who lives with her. She has told me the food would last a month. Three adults and three children: 916.67 (rounded to the second digit) per human being.
Pick any reasonable number you wish. I'll stipulate to it. Then put your money where your mouth is and hand it to me. I will take the money you hand to me and I will give it to a regular woman and ask her if she can feed her kid with it for a month. I bet she will be able too. In reality, the individual that has made the challenge in my user blog is not using his pesos in Dominican Republic to directly buy food for a child or children. That individual is just talking about it. I am and I have. When I was at the store with my #2 the money came out of my pocket. I loaded the food into my rather large "gas guzzling" vehicle that uses diesel fuel. I drove from the store that was further than two blocks from my house. And all of this required that I leave my apartment. But when I don't you can be certain I'm enjoying my ocean view with or without company.
I'm kicking street knowledge straight in your eyeholes motherfuckers. Open them up! My point remains that prostitutes make a choice. A choice the majority of women on this island do not make. If the parties involved feel like they are doing social work instead of doing business when they are together. I'm fine with that. But don't tell me they need to do it for their children.
Just saying!
There are a lot of prostitutes in the DR. You say it is estimated that 20% of women there are prostitutes. Where does that figure come from? I think it's way way way too high. 1 in 5 women are not prostitutes.
You missed the entire point of my post. Women do not need to be prostitutes to feed their children. If you wish to debate this issue with me then address the fact that it is estimated only 20% of women are prostitutes in the Dominican Republic, but 80% of the children in the Dominican Republic are not starving. Do any of you care to share your knowledge on this issue? Do you have any to share? Here is my knowledge on the issue: I've taken my #2 to the store and she has spent 5,500 pesos on just food (acknowledging that it takes a village of critics to raise a child) for herself, two children, her sister and her child (to share) and the Aunt who lives with her. She has told me the food would last a month. Three adults and three children: 916.67 (rounded to the second digit) per human being.
Pick any reasonable number you wish. I'll stipulate to it. Then put your money where your mouth is and hand it to me. I will take the money you hand to me and I will give it to a regular woman and ask her if she can feed her kid with it for a month. I bet she will be able too. In reality, the individual that has made the challenge in my user blog is not using his pesos in Dominican Republic to directly buy food for a child or children. That individual is just talking about it. I am and I have. When I was at the store with my #2 the money came out of my pocket. I loaded the food into my rather large "gas guzzling" vehicle that uses diesel fuel. I drove from the store that was further than two blocks from my house. And all of this required that I leave my apartment. But when I don't you can be certain I'm enjoying my ocean view with or without company.
I'm kicking street knowledge straight in your eyeholes motherfuckers. Open them up! My point remains that prostitutes make a choice. A choice the majority of women on this island do not make. If the parties involved feel like they are doing social work instead of doing business when they are together. I'm fine with that. But don't tell me they need to do it for their children.
Just saying!
You missed the entire point of my post. Women do not need to be prostitutes to feed their children. If you wish to debate this issue with me then address the fact that it is estimated only 20% of women are prostitutes in the Dominican Republic, but 80% of the children in the Dominican Republic are not starving. Do any of you care to share your knowledge on this issue? Do you have any to share? Here is my knowledge on the issue: I've taken my #2 to the store and she has spent 5,500 pesos on just food (acknowledging that it takes a village of critics to raise a child) for herself, two children, her sister and her child (to share) and the Aunt who lives with her. She has told me the food would last a month. Three adults and three children: 916.67 (rounded to the second digit) per human being.
Pick any reasonable number you wish. I'll stipulate to it. Then put your money where your mouth is and hand it to me. I will take the money you hand to me and I will give it to a regular woman and ask her if she can feed her kid with it for a month. I bet she will be able too. In reality, the individual that has made the challenge in my user blog is not using his pesos in Dominican Republic to directly buy food for a child or children. That individual is just talking about it. I am and I have. When I was at the store with my #2 the money came out of my pocket. I loaded the food into my rather large "gas guzzling" vehicle that uses diesel fuel. I drove from the store that was further than two blocks from my house. And all of this required that I leave my apartment. But when I don't you can be certain I'm enjoying my ocean view with or without company.
I'm kicking street knowledge straight in your eyeholes motherfuckers. Open them up! My point remains that prostitutes make a choice. A choice the majority of women on this island do not make. If the parties involved feel like they are doing social work instead of doing business when they are together. I'm fine with that. But don't tell me they need to do it for their children.
Just saying!The food might last a month or more if it is rice, dried foods, or canned stuff, but that is not the same as saying that they would not need to buy any more food for a month. Fresh meats, fruits, vegetables, milk, bread will not last that long and most Dominicans don't have freezers and the electricity supply is somewhat unreliable, so people don't stock up on perishables.
My Peruvian cleaning lady in Spain used say that the working girls are too lazy to trapear I. E. Cleaning other people's shit. She worked hard, six days a week and made a decent living. I doubt if she actually knew anyone selling ass, but I still agree with her to some degree. My experiences may not be valid in DR, but might be, as well.
I don't know any other group of people that love money and buying things with that money, like these girls, except their families. Of course there are the Wall Street brokers or other groups of people, but I don't know them, so I don't talk about them. There are families that don't know anything, what these girls are doing or how much they earn, but there are also many families that close their eyes and refuse to think about it, when they receive a lot of money, which cannot be earned cleaning hotel rooms or waiting tables.
I have known many girls that have had hard times in some moment of their lives and have started selling tail to get over it, but when they get used to having money they don't want to start cleaning other people's houses anymore. Too much work for so little money. They want the house. They send the down payment for the house back to their families. The families make the down payment, but not all the money received goes to the house, because they needed a television. The two children of the girl are so much trouble that they need to hire somebody to take care of them. The children need new school uniforms. Not just two new school uniforms, but three, because the cousin's daughter also needs a new uniform and the girl in Spain makes a LOT of money cleaning hotel rooms. The children of the girl are miserable because their mother is far away, so she buys them 2 four wheelers. One is not enough and it is actually the girl's brother who wants the four wheelers, because the daughters are still 8 and 9 and cannot drive them. And if she doesn't send the family more money, they complain and threaten to sell the house.
The girls sacrifice a lot to get all that money to buy things to their families and to themselves. They want the latest iPhone and the Louis Vuitton wallet to show their colleagues and they want the most expensive suitcase, just in case someday they can afford to travel for holidays back home. It's not cheap, because there are so many family members that need to be bought a present.
I am not moralizing anybody, how could I? I am happy when somebody wants my money when I want her body to rent. I am not saying I don't like money, but there are so many things in my life, and I suppose in your lives too, that are more important than money (when you reach a certain level of financial security). Maybe most of the girls in RD have started the business to get Pampers and milk to their fatherless children, but partying, drinking Presidentes every night, iPhones and fast money becomes a way of life very easily and it is difficult go back to normal life.
My Peruvian cleaning lady in Spain used say that the working girls are too lazy to trapear I. E. Cleaning other people's shit. She worked hard, six days a week and made a decent living. I doubt if she actually knew anyone selling ass, but I still agree with her to some degree. My experiences may not be valid in DR, but might be, as well.
I don't know any other group of people that love money and buying things with that money, like these girls, except their families. Of course there are the Wall Street brokers or other groups of people, but I don't know them, so I don't talk about them. There are families that don't know anything, what these girls are doing or how much they earn, but there are also many families that close their eyes and refuse to think about it, when they receive a lot of money, which cannot be earned cleaning hotel rooms or waiting tables.
I have known many girls that have had hard times in some moment of their lives and have started selling tail to get over it, but when they get used to having money they don't want to start cleaning other people's houses anymore. Too much work for so little money. They want the house. They send the down payment for the house back to their families. The families make the down payment, but not all the money received goes to the house, because they needed a television. The two children of the girl are so much trouble that they need to hire somebody to take care of them. The children need new school uniforms. Not just two new school uniforms, but three, because the cousin's daughter also needs a new uniform and the girl in Spain makes a LOT of money cleaning hotel rooms. The children of the girl are miserable because their mother is far away, so she buys them 2 four wheelers. One is not enough and it is actually the girl's brother who wants the four wheelers, because the daughters are still 8 and 9 and cannot drive them. And if she doesn't send the family more money, they complain and threaten to sell the house.
The girls sacrifice a lot to get all that money to buy things to their families and to themselves. They want the latest iPhone and the Louis Vuitton wallet to show their colleagues and they want the most expensive suitcase, just in case someday they can afford to travel for holidays back home. It's not cheap, because there are so many family members that need to be bought a present.
I am not moralizing anybody, how could I? I am happy when somebody wants my money when I want her body to rent. I am not saying I don't like money, but there are so many things in my life, and I suppose in your lives too, that are more important than money (when you reach a certain level of financial security). Maybe most of the girls in RD have started the business to get Pampers and milk to their fatherless children, but partying, drinking Presidentes every night, iPhones and fast money becomes a way of life very easily and it is difficult go back to normal life.Yes, you do see a variety of situations. For some, its temporary. For some, single mothers with 3-4 kids, its the only way for a single income to make it. Some get "addicted" to the relatively easy money, earning a month's pay in a few days.
I once met a Dominican woman working in a bordello in Germany. Like many of them, she contracted with an agency to work for a time in Europe. She was not a young kid. She was married, with children. Her objective was to earn enough money to buy a business back home.
In a country with such a low pay scale, money is spent as soon as it is earned. Anyone with ambitions for more and needs to accumulate money in less than a lifetime, has to work in the sex industry or get involved with the drug trade. Honest jobs there barely cover living expenses. A dentist in Puerto Plata for example (a medical professional) earns about 600 US a month. Compare that with most, who barely have a high school education.
You presented me with a challenge to provide a specific example. But your rebuttal to my specific example is based on generalities. I was not talking about most Dominicans. I was talking about one particular woman who lives in the Dominican Republic that is not using prostitution to feed her kids.
You are going to tell me what she does or does not know about her household? Not possible. Do you know what she purchased? No you do not. Were you with us? No you were not. Have you been in her home when she serves her meals? No, you have not. I can answer of the questions that I proposed in the affirmative.
How much more food does she need to buy? How do you know she does not have a freezer? Yes, the electrical supply is not reliable, but what does that have to do with the choices she made when she purchased food during my trip with her? Exactly what is your point anyway? When the electricity goes off food stays cold in both the refrigerator and the freezer unless it is off for an extended period of time. If we are talking about the possibility of food spoilage then you are talking days. Even in the Dominican Republic unless you are talking about a natural disaster of some type the electricity is not off for days at a time. And she is a smart woman (she hangs out with me after all). I'm certain she would make an effort to prepare the food before it got to that point.
What should be done, what can be done and what has to be done are often three completely different situations. Critics talk about what should be done. Men in the arena do what has to be done. The woman in my example is not using prostitution to feed her kids. Mr. GoGo and the others can criticize my personality and lifestyle choices in Sosua Reports all they want. You can debate with me about the specific amount actually needed to feed a child in the Dominican Republic until your fingers get tired of typing. None of that will ever change my opinion that women in the Dominican Republic do not need to be prostitutes to feed their children. They have made a choice.
My thoughts are your friend Mr. GoGo has it right: "you are just talking out of your ass as usual". And if you wish to continue to do what he says you do: "Frannie keeps exposing him as a fool and he still hasn't caught on", well then you are going to have you are going to have to come stronger to the basket than that. Because I have rejected your shot into the stands and the crowd has gone wild!
The food might last a month or more if it is rice, dried foods, or canned stuff, but that is not the same as saying that they would not need to buy any more food for a month. Fresh meats, fruits, vegetables, milk, bread will not last that long and most Dominicans don't have freezers and the electricity supply is somewhat unreliable, so people don't stock up on perishables.
There are a lot of prostitutes in the DR. You say it is estimated that 20% of women there are prostitutes. Where does that figure come from? I think it's way way way too high. 1 in 5 women are not prostitutes.Mr. JJ341,
You may be right!
Here are the numbers I was able to source from my internet research. Percentage of Population that are women: 49.8. Using this number to estimate the number of women in Sosua: 24,682. Number of women in Sosua working as prostitutes: 1000. Percentage of women working as prostitutes in Sosua: 4%. It is impossible to project even this number into the general female population of the island. But as a amateur sociologist, I can make the following statement with complete confidence: "Mr. E's posts in the General Information section present anecdotal evidence that females under report themselves as prostitutes". ROTFLMAO!
Could you let Frannie know that the lower we push the estimated number of prostitutes in the Dominican Republic, the stronger my argument becomes that a woman does not need to be a prostitute to feed her children? He can pick any number he likes when it comes to the cost of raising a child. Because if poverty was the sole reason women enter prostitution in the Dominican Republic we would expect that number to be around 35 - 40%. That would be in line with the percentage of women living in poverty in the Dominican Republic. Or we could take the female rate of unemployment in the Dominican Republic: 23.4%. Trying to make the argument based purely on economics shows that someone is out of touch. Others have outlined qualitative factors unrelated children's economic well being that have lead women into or keep women in prostitution. Mr. GoGo has indicated that I am the one out of touch. I'll leave it to the reader to figure it out.
Sources:
http://countrymeters.info/en/Dominican_Republic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...nican_Republic
http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/loc...Sosuas-tourism
http://data.worldbank.org/country/dominican-republic
https://www.quandl.com/collections/dominican-republic/dominican-republic-unemployment
Sister of my number one is pregnant. Lives in the country. Has a problem with her baby. Pregnancy has encountered a problem. Water breaks. Baby does not come. Baby has stopped moving. Bad scene. Her sister is not satisfied with the medical advice or care she is receiving in the country. So she comes into the city and arrives where my #1 stays.
Together they seek out medical care for the baby. Recommendation is a cesarean section. The surgical procedure is expensive for her. So using public transportation and on foot they seek out prices from three other clinics. They find a quality clinic with recommendations my #1 is satisfied with. Her sister does not have insurance. The public hospital system is not trying to help her because she is has a pregnancy with complications. Her sister needs money. Her spouse deposits the money in my #1's account and it's off to the bank to collect the money. This has taken up the entire day. They are back in my #1's place and her sister is resting. It's after 8 PM and her sister is insisting that she keeps her commitment go visit me. But my #1 insists on taking a taxi instead of me picking her up in my rather large, expensive "gas guzzling" vehicle.
Now, I've been putting diesel fuel in it since I bought it. I explained that to Mr. GoGo while I drove through a rainstorm that was really hampering visibility on our trip to Boca Chica. Good thing he was riding shotgun on that trip. Hwy 3 runs right past Boca Chica and the Villa Capri. Since I had never left my apartment before we went on our trip, I'm certain I wouldn't have found Boca Chica without his help. LOL! My vehicle allows me to forge shallow rivers formed after heavy rains due to the poor water management infrastructure that creates water hazards on the roads. This often leaves people pushing their cars out of the standing water. My vehicle also handles the rough and ready road conditions that you find in the poorly maintained parts of the city where I roam. Leaky apartment in my barrio on the ocean is where I stay. Talking out my ass again Mr. GoGo? Nah! Got pictures and videos (in focus) to prove it. Wait! I don't need those. You have been in my apartment. You have seen the view. I have explained exactly why and when my apartment leaks and you know it's not "every time it rains". Expensive? Well that depends on your budget. Only used to drive two blocks? My odometer is rolling. Excessive? It wasn't for me. It's worth every peso I paid for it. But I diverge.
After she arrives, she insists on cooking even after I offer to take her out, because she knows my money is low. You know what they say "A fool and his money is soon parted". She cooks a great meal of rice, chicken with a homemade sauce and a salad. All the while acting like a mobile command post for her family who are blowing up her phone and mine in great anticipation of operation "Baby arrival".
We are off to the bedroom where she puts in a "Pyramid scheme" like performance. We are sleeping hard. But when morning arrives, I'm still up early. She sleeps in late. But her phone is blowing up. I wake her up and she learns the baby is here and she's an Aunt once again. She insists on cleaning my ocean view apartment, scrubbing every tile in both of my bathrooms (that have views of downtown Santo Domingo when you are taking your shower), sweeping and mopping the balcony, doing her laundry, and making enough chinola juice to last me a week. She makes lunch for us both and prepares meat for me to cook for myself later that night because she will be spending the night in the clinic with her sister. But everyone receives this sort of treatment from their girls right? It's just that I happen to be one of those suckers who have to overpay because I'm a permanent Sugar Daddy. LOL! After all that we are off to the clinic, in my rather roomy, expensive, "gas guzzling" diesel powered vehicle. We enter the room and it's filled with baby love. I'm shaking hands, kissing and holding the baby. She is really small. I'm speaking my bad Spanish and being misunderstood by everyone. LOL! But I'm having a great time.
My #1 spends the night with her sister helping her take care of the baby. During the next day there is a long procession of family members and friends from the city and county to the clinic to visit her sister and her new baby. They bring meats, fruits and vegetables. The fruits and vegetables they bring from the country of are of higher quality than anything I can consistently buy in my beloved city of Santo Domingo Este. In the afternoon she heads back over to her house, takes a shower and rests for a few hours. She goes back to the clinic. In the evening she hits me in whatsapp to tell me she would like a medium pizza from Papa Johns when I come to visit her sister and her new baby in the clinic. Thirty minutes later she texts and tells me not to buy the pizza.
She needs money tomorrow for her medical school registration. Her sister had some expenses she needed to pay for and she used the last of her money she earned last month from work helping her sister. She would rather for me to help her pay for her medical school registration instead of buying her a pizza because she knows my money is low right now. Here we have another example of the "qualitative difference" that I personally seek out. After I arrive, she has six plantains from the country for me. I've seen plantains sold on the street ranging from five pesos with a price ranging all the way up to 16 pesos in the store. The plantains she gave me are of excellent quality. They were similar to ones I that I purchased on the side of the highway when I returned from Barahona. (Yes, I said Barahona. It's further than two blocks from my house. No, I can't explain it. I guess you just have to ask Mr. GoGo. He made the statement). I can use two to prepare mangu for me. Mangu is one of my favorite Dominican dishes. Add some meat and a vegetable and you have a rather inexpensive meal now don't you?
We are all hungry so everyone wants Pica Pollo. We head down the street from the clinic, which happens to be in the barrio my #1 grew up in. I want some Chow Fan. So my girl orders me some Chow Fan, 5 pieces of chicken and French fries. My cost: 250 pesos. I eat my chow fan in the restaurant along with a piece of chicken. She has a piece of chicken and some fries. After that, we return to the clinic and she smuggles the Pica Pollo into the clinic. Where her cousin, sister and one other visitor share the three pieces of chicken and fries that are left. And while they are doing that they are expressing concern that I bought the food but I am not eating. My number #1 explains that I ate in the restaurant and I also let them know I am fine. When they are done it looks piranhas have been in that to go box. There is nothing but bones left.
When you motherfuckers residing in the private club of the Sosua Reports Forum are done being critics and are instead interested in educating yourself on the realities of real women instead of remaining in your fantasy world with prostitutes; after you are done debating the actual number of pesos it takes to raise a child living here; I suggest you head on over to Youtube and search for the video "Lamado A La Patria".
This video was shot in the barrio where my #1 spends most of her time when she is not working, going to medical school, studying with her classmates or taking care of family and friends. It is the barrio of her Aunt. Look at those images motherfuckers! Better yet, listen to what they are saying. The images and lyrics of this video represent a most inconvenient truth to the Sexual Tourists and critics. These are the images I see weekly in person. After viewing them you tell me the children in that video are having 3000 pesos or more spent on them each month or receiving 2000 pesos a month for school lunches alone. I'm out of touch with reality? Hardly!
The children you see in that video are not the children of prostitutes earning 1500 2000 pesos a fuck. That was the actual point of my original post that was reposted from my user blog to the main forum of the Sousa Reports section. Where is Tomjackin when you need him? My point remains that prostitutes in the Dominican Republic make a choice. A choice the majority of women on this island do not make. If the parties involved feel like they are doing social work instead of doing business when they are together. I'm fine with that. I am not making a moral judgement against either party. But don't tell me they need to do it for their children.
Could you let Frannie know that the lower we push the estimated number of prostitutes in the Dominican Republic, the stronger my argument becomes that a woman does not need to be a prostitute to feed her children? He can pick any number he likes when it comes to the cost of raising a child. Because if poverty was the sole reason women enter prostitution in the Dominican Republic we would expect that number to be around 35 - 40%. Your whole concept is way off beam. We are not just talking about all Dominican women, but about (mostly) single mothers who do not have college educations. Now in the US only a very small number of such women prostitute themselves, but on the other hand they can usually earn at least $10 per hour in unskilled jobs, and they have access to food stamps (SNAP), subsidized or capped rentals via HUD, Medicaid, CHIP free school breakfasts and lunches, free schools, free school buses, Social Security disability (in some cases), and some other programs. She can probably also earn $40 for 2 hours work off the books cleaning someone's house. Now what is the Dominican equivalent to food stamps? Are groceries and formulas cheaper in the DR than in the US? How much can she earn for cleaning someone's house in the DR?
Here is an example. I know a pleasant young Haitian woman (attractive). She lives with her family in Montellano. She is a legal resident of the DR. She is married, but her husband is in Haiti. She is not a hooker. She is hard working and intelligent and honest and likes to go to school and do courses. I have known her for about 5 years. She worked for me for about 2 years. She got 5000 pesos from me every 2 weeks, plus transportation fare, plus free meals on the job.
After I left the DR she was left jobless. She now has a new job working 6 days a week in a clothing store in Sosua as a sales assistant. After she pays 100 pesos a day for transportation to and from Montellano plus pays for her daily lunches she has 1500 pesos per two weeks left over for herself (and to feed a child, but she doesn't have a child) or to give to her mother.
So that is just an example of the economics of life for a young women in unskilled work. Now give me your example of someone you know and how much they earn, how much it costs them to get to work, and so on.
The other point I take issue with you on is the question of how often women accept money for sex. You are kind of assuming that women will have several clients per day for most of the days in the month, , make a lot of money, and spend most of it on luxuries, but while that might be the case for some hard core pros fpr a limited time in their short careers, I don't believe it is the case with the majority of part timers who just get a paying client or boyfriend when they can, or when they really need extra cash to pay bills or something.
Incidentally another Haitian woman who also worked for me who was older, uglier, fatter, and stupider, is currently living in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. When I asked how she got over there, of course the answer was that she had a boyfriend who took her. So yes, Dominican and Haitian chicas are ingenious and find ways to travel all over the world, but it is rarely without financial help from someone else.
In my user blog, I've already provided three examples of women living in the DR without being prostitutes. Two of my examples have children. Now you have provided the fourth. All of the examples provided between the two of us are anecdotal and therefore cannot be projected through any population of women living here (single mothers, uneducated, unskilled or otherwise). Do you have some academic research to show me that indicates a woman needs to be a prostitute to feed her children or survive in the Dominican Republic? No, you don't. Because if you did you would have quoted it by now.
My point is and will remain that a woman does not need to be a prostitute to feed her children or survive in the Dominican Republic.
Here is an example. I know a pleasant young Haitian woman (attractive). She lives with her family in Montellano. She is a legal resident of the DR. She is married, but her husband is in Haiti. She is not a hooker. She got 5000 pesos from me every 2 weeks, plus transportation fare, plus free meals on the job. She now has a new job working 6 days a week in a clothing store in Sosua as a sales assistant. After she pays 100 pesos a day for transportation to and from Montellano plus pays for her daily lunches she has 1500 pesos per two weeks left over for herself (and to feed a child, but she doesn't have a child) or to give to her mother.
Parkinsons
06-10-16, 06:58
My point is and will remain that a woman does not need to be a prostitute to feed her children or survive in the Dominican Republic.Agreed. She just needs to find herself a big boss sexpat, preferably one with an SUV that can ford streams and rivers, to pay her a monthly stipend and for her medical school registration, in exchange for sexual favors and janitorial service on an ocean view apartment that may or may not leak during rain. Because this sugar baby / sugar daddy relationship is definitely NOT prostitution.
Of course I do!
Because this sugar baby / sugar daddy relationship is definitely NOT prostitution.Mr. Parkinsons, Let me kick a little knowledge into your eye holes.
Prostitution: the business or practice of engaging in sexual relations in exchange for payment or some other benefit.
Sugar Baby: A female or male who is financially pampered / cared for by a sugar daddy or sugar mama in exchange for companionship (I. E. Sexual favors).
Here is some additional information for you:
"In light of recent events, we thought it might be time for a refresher course in the definitions of Sugar. Many are quick to label the Sugar lifestyle choice as prostitution, but there are many differences between this lifestyle and the oldest profession. High-end or not, a call girl is not an interchangeable word for a Sugar Baby. Here are four reasons why.
1. A Relationship vs A Transaction.
A prostitute and a client have a transaction relationship. They meet, exchange funds, and participate in some sort of physical act and part ways. Typically, this is a one time occurrence. A job. There is no relationship, and no possibility for a relationship. And that is the key difference really: Relationship. Sugar Babies and Sugar Daddies have on-going relationships, not transactions. More often than not, a Sugar relationship will resemble that of a girlfriend-boyfriend relationship. There are real connections and real possibilities at romance, something that is not in the realm of possibility with an escort or prostitute. Just because a relationship doesn't follow the traditional rules of courtship, doesn't mean it isn't valid. It also doesn't mean it's illegal.
2. Being a Sugar Baby vs being a Prostitute.
Sugar is a lifestyle choice, not a profession. A sugar baby is a woman who wants to date financially secure men who can provide her with the lifestyle she desires. She's selective about who she dates; a prostitute isn't picky about who she takes on as a client. The risks involved with prostitution are countless, and include exposure to crime, abuse, sexually transmitted diseases and theft of service. Many prostitutes are also subject to physical and emotional abuse, especially when involved with a pimp. And in Sugar, sex is never a requirement, only an aspiration.
3. Dating a Sugar Baby vs ordering a prostitute.
A Sugar Daddy is generous, and wants to see their partner succeed. When two people are involved in a mutually beneficial relationship, they respect and value one another's time. Sugar relationships can turn into long term serious relationships. Prostitutes are paid to perform a service, while Sugar Babies sometimes receive funds as an added benefit of dating a generous man. A john doesn't want a hooker to stick around, and a Sugar Daddy doesn't want his Sugar Baby to leave. While an escort might have a sordid sexual history, a Sugar relationship is often monogamous.
4. Quality vs Quantity.
Most Sugar Babies aren't solely involved in the sugar world. Sugar Babies are also teachers, college students, actresses, and business professionals. They seek successful mentors that can advance their career, not a temporary fix. Sugar Babies can be present in the lives of Sugar Daddies because they have long-term professional goals, and interesting personalities to keep everyone intrigued. Prostitutes on the other hand, use their trade as a source of income it's a last resort for many women who are pressed for money. They aren't looking for mentors or anyone with a specific level of expertise. You may meet hundreds of prostitutes before finding anyone to fulfill your emotional needs. Prostitutes are hired to role play for the evening they'll be whomever you want them to be, but they won't necessarily be themselves. She treats you like a job, not like a man".
Source: http://blog.seekingarrangement.com/2014/07/14/four-differences-between-sugar-prostitution/.
Now, If you have read what I have written before then you know I don't agree. In case you haven't seen my previous work:
You pretty much hit this nail right on the head. To say it's something else is simply self-rationalization. We know the ability of individuals to self rationalize is infinite. I think you are dealing with the difference of what society approves as opposed as what is legal. Anecdotal evidence has been presented on this board that prostitution is legal in the Dominican Republic but it is not approved. And it's unlikely to ever be approved outside of the circles that engage in it.
Chicks exchange sex for money, goods and services all the time for a ST, TLN, week, month, year, or lifetime. Societal approval is provided for the length of time and type of relationship. Prostitution is legally allowed within societies where it tends to facilitate and assist the society. And it is suppressed in societies where it perceived to be disruptive to society.
It is not surprising to me that chicks do not want to admit in engaging in an activity not approved within their society. But you are dead on with your definition.What you fail to understand is that this is the thread UTR's, Non-Pros (NP) and Sugar Babies (SB). Read through all of my posts and tell me where I have said the Sugar Baby / Sugar Daddy relationship is not prostitution. My contention has always been that I have found there is a "qualitative difference" between prostitutes working the streets of Sosua and Boca Chica and UTR's, Non-Pros (NP) and Sugar Babies (SB) I have encountered throughout the Dominican Republic.
Now from your previous responses to my posts I see that you like to debate and be critical. Go ahead and do that my man. You can debate what prostitution is until your fingers get tired of hitting the keyboard. I'm not interested in that. If you desire to engage in an intellectual discussion of definition of prostitution, knock yourself the fuck out. I prefer to leave such things as an exercise for the reader. Be a man in the arena! Don't be a critic, because then you don't count.
Let Mr. GoGo levitate. Let Mr. Frannie pontificate. Both can notate, meditate ruminate, debate, orate and evaluate all the different reasons they have to berate. Unfortunately for them it amounts to nothing more than a mental attempt to masturbate, self-fellate and placate. That's what critics do. Why concentrate on the critics as they corroborate to misevaluate? As far as I'm concerned they can fornicate or defecate. It makes no difference to me. I prefer to disseminate knowledge that educates. So that others can imitate and operate in a way that creates a life that is far from boilerplate.
A little word play for you motherfuckers, because things were getting a little too serious up in here. LOL!
Tempoecorto
06-11-16, 00:15
Let Mr. GoGo levitate. Let Mr. Frannie pontificate. Both can notate, meditate ruminate, debate, orate and evaluate all the different reasons they have to berate. Unfortunately for them it amounts to nothing more than a mental attempt to masturbate, self-fellate and placate. That's what critics do. Why concentrate on the critics as they corroborate to misevaluate? As far as I'm concerned they can fornicate or defecate. It makes no difference to me. I prefer to disseminate knowledge that educates.I love this! Are you sure you were not a student of Prof. Henry Higgins in your last incarnation, I mean, in GBS's mind, that is?
Of course I do!
Mr. Parkinsons, Let me kick a little knowledge into your eye holes.
Prostitution: the business or practice of engaging in sexual relations in exchange for payment or some other benefit.
Sugar Baby: A female or male who is financially pampered / cared for by a sugar daddy or sugar mama in exchange for companionship (I. E. Sexual favors).
Here is some additional information for you:
"In light of recent events, we thought it might be time for a refresher course in the definitions of Sugar. Many are quick to label the Sugar lifestyle choice as prostitution, but there are many differences between this lifestyle and the oldest profession. High-end or not, a call girl is not an interchangeable word for a Sugar Baby. Here are four reasons why.
1. A Relationship vs A Transaction.
A prostitute and a client have a transaction relationship. They meet, exchange funds, and participate in some sort of physical act and part ways. Typically, this is a one time occurrence. A job. There is no relationship, and no possibility for a relationship. And that is the key difference really: Relationship. Sugar Babies and Sugar Daddies have on-going relationships, not transactions. More often than not, a Sugar relationship will resemble that of a girlfriend-boyfriend relationship. There are real connections and real possibilities at romance, something that is not in the realm of possibility with an escort or prostitute. Just because a relationship doesn't follow the traditional rules of courtship, doesn't mean it isn't valid. It also doesn't mean it's illegal.
2. Being a Sugar Baby vs being a Prostitute.
Sugar is a lifestyle choice, not a profession. A sugar baby is a woman who wants to date financially secure men who can provide her with the lifestyle she desires. She's selective about who she dates; a prostitute isn't picky about who she takes on as a client. The risks involved with prostitution are countless, and include exposure to crime, abuse, sexually transmitted diseases and theft of service. Many prostitutes are also subject to physical and emotional abuse, especially when involved with a pimp. And in Sugar, sex is never a requirement, only an aspiration.
3. Dating a Sugar Baby vs ordering a prostitute.
A Sugar Daddy is generous, and wants to see their partner succeed. When two people are involved in a mutually beneficial relationship, they respect and value one another's time. Sugar relationships can turn into long term serious relationships. Prostitutes are paid to perform a service, while Sugar Babies sometimes receive funds as an added benefit of dating a generous man. A john doesn't want a hooker to stick around, and a Sugar Daddy doesn't want his Sugar Baby to leave. While an escort might have a sordid sexual history, a Sugar relationship is often monogamous.
4. Quality vs Quantity.
Most Sugar Babies aren't solely involved in the sugar world. Sugar Babies are also teachers, college students, actresses, and business professionals. They seek successful mentors that can advance their career, not a temporary fix. Sugar Babies can be present in the lives of Sugar Daddies because they have long-term professional goals, and interesting personalities to keep everyone intrigued. Prostitutes on the other hand, use their trade as a source of income it's a last resort for many women who are pressed for money. They aren't looking for mentors or anyone with a specific level of expertise. You may meet hundreds of prostitutes before finding anyone to fulfill your emotional needs. Prostitutes are hired to role play for the evening they'll be whomever you want them to be, but they won't necessarily be themselves. She treats you like a job, not like a man".
Source: http://blog.seekingarrangement.com/2014/07/14/four-differences-between-sugar-prostitution/.
Now, If you have read what I have written before then you know I don't agree. In case you haven't seen my previous work:
What you fail to understand is that this is the thread UTR's, Non-Pros (NP) and Sugar Babies (SB). Read through all of my posts and tell me where I have said the Sugar Baby / Sugar Daddy relationship is not prostitution. My contention has always been that I have found there is a "qualitative difference" between prostitutes working the streets of Sosua and Boca Chica and UTR's, Non-Pros (NP) and Sugar Babies (SB) I have encountered throughout the Dominican Republic.
Now from your previous responses to my posts I see that you like to debate and be critical. Go ahead and do that my man. You can debate what prostitution is until your fingers get tired of hitting the keyboard. I'm not interested in that. If you desire to engage in an intellectual discussion of definition of prostitution, knock yourself the fuck out. I prefer to leave such things as an exercise for the reader. Be a man in the arena! Don't be a critic, because then you don't count.
Let Mr. GoGo levitate. Let Mr. Frannie pontificate. Both can notate, meditate ruminate, debate, orate and evaluate all the different reasons they have to berate. Unfortunately for them it amounts to nothing more than a mental attempt to masturbate, self-fellate and placate. That's what critics do. Why concentrate on the critics as they corroborate to misevaluate? As far as I'm concerned they can fornicate or defecate. It makes no difference to me. I prefer to disseminate knowledge that educates. So that others can imitate and operate in a way that creates a life that is far from boilerplate.
A little word play for you motherfuckers, because things were getting a little too serious up in here. LOL!From what I can make out from the ejaculations you expect us to gobble down, a Sugar Daddy is about the same thing as a Western Union novio?
Or rather Sugar Daddy is a term used on certain prostitution Web sites in the hope of avoiding legal sanctions and of persuading some gullible young women to prostitute themselves while fooling themselves into thinking they are not. Having had a bit of a browse of the Web site you link to, I find the Western Union novio thing in the DR infinitely honester and more likely to give satisfaction to both sides.
I love this! Are you sure you were not a student of Prof. Henry Higgins in your last incarnation, I mean, in GBS's mind, that is?Other than having an eye for the Fair Ladies, I see no point of resemblance.
I've been in this game for years. It made me an animal. There's rules to this shit. I wrote me a manual. A step-by-step booklet for you to get your two balls drained while many pesos remain.
Rule numero uno: Never let a chica know how much dough you hold cause you know. The chicas be use pussy against thee but don't you be a sugar daddy like me.
Number two: Never let them know you next move. Don't you know mongers move in complete silence without violence. Take it from your highness. Arrive unannounced and always much new pussy you'll pounce.
Number three: never trust what chica may say. She will lie every day to get the pesos in play. She be making stuff up to get that fast buck. You need to set the tool straight and let her know what's up.
Number four: know you heard this before. Never get sprung just because you cum.
Number five: never let chica rest where you rest at. I don't care if the chica wants to pout; tell her out!
Number six: chica want god damn credit, dead it. You think a chica be paying you back, shit forget it.
Seven: this rule is so underrated, Keep your chica and your personal business completely separated. Chicas and money don't mix. Ignore this. Find yourself broker than shit.
Number eight: never keep big money on you. Those chicas fucking you will steal your stuff too.
Number nine: should been number one to me. Two chicas you don't know will bring you certain whoa. Threesome in your room is always a no go. Turn head for a minute you be left with nothing in it.
Number ten: A strong word called compassion. Strictly for freshmen, not for veterans. If a chica has a problem just say "hell no". She's only there to suck and fuck, rain, sleet, hail, snow.
Follow these rules you have plenty of pussy to bang up. If not, you might just have a bad wake up.
I'm out!
Tempoecorto
06-11-16, 22:04
Other than having an eye for the Fair Ladies, I see no point of resemblance.Jajaja, that was a good word play but then I think of Pygmalion rather than Rex Harrison!
Jajaja, that was a good word play but then I think of Pygmalion rather than Rex Harrison!Well, yes, but My Fair Lady was a successful movie that won the Oscars for Best Film, Best Actor, and Best Director in 1964. Audrey Hepburn probably missed out on a shot at another Oscar due the the slight controversy over Julie Andrews not getting the part after starring in the stage version on Broadway. However Andrews got the consolation prize of the lead role in Mary Poppins in the same year and did win the Oscar for Best Actress for that year. So that is where most people will know about Professor Higgins from.
I've been in this game for years. It made me an animal. There's rules to this shit. I wrote me a manual. A step-by-step booklet for you to get your two balls drained while many pesos remain.
Rule numero uno: Never let a chica know how much dough you hold cause you know. The chicas be use pussy against thee but don't you be a sugar daddy like me.
Number two: Never let them know you next move. Don't you know mongers move in complete silence without violence. Take it from your highness. Arrive unannounced and always much new pussy you'll pounce.
Number three: never trust what chica may say. She will lie every day to get the pesos in play. She be making stuff up to get that fast buck. You need to set the tool straight and let her know what's up.
Number four: know you heard this before. Never get sprung just because you cum.
Number five: never let chica rest where you rest at. I don't care if the chica wants to pout; tell her out!
Number six: chica want god damn credit, dead it. You think a chica be paying you back, shit forget it.
Seven: this rule is so underrated, Keep your chica and your personal business completely separated. Chicas and money don't mix. Ignore this. Find yourself broker than shit.
Number eight: never keep big money on you. Those chicas fucking you will steal your stuff too.
Number nine: should been number one to me. Two chicas you don't know will bring you certain whoa. Threesome in your room is always a no go. Turn head for a minute you be left with nothing in it.
Number ten: A strong word called compassion. Strictly for freshmen, not for veterans. If a chica has a problem just say "hell no". She's only there to suck and fuck, rain, sleet, hail, snow.
Follow these rules you have plenty of pussy to bang up. If not, you might just have a bad wake up.
I'm out!Now this is a good one.
Tempoecorto
06-12-16, 13:57
So that is where most people will know about Professor Higgins from.You are right. Curiously, I read the book long before I got into the theater, as I do not like musicals and found the book (like all others of GBS) to be way superior not to speak of GBS' forwards and of course, his language and wit. So Audrey Hepburn notwithstanding, it is Pygmalion, for the undersigned.
And I did think Subcommander had a nice way with his wordplay.
Latest reports show that 4.5 million Dominicans or 45.7% of the population are borderline poor. The report says that 17.1% already live in poverty and 8. 8% in extreme poverty. The UNDP defines poverty as living on an income of between US $4 and US $10 a day. The 2015 report is based on 2014 data. Gentlemen, (using the term very loosely) that is between 184 and 459 pesos a day. Which translates to 5,520 to 13,770 pesos a month. Going back to the numbers from one of my earlier original posts:
Because if poverty was the sole reason women enter prostitution in the Dominican Republic we would expect that number to be around 35 - 40%. That would be in line with the percentage of women living in poverty in the Dominican Republic. Or we could take the female rate of unemployment in the Dominican Republic: 23.4%. Trying to make the argument based purely on economics shows that someone is out of touch. Others have outlined qualitative factors unrelated children's economic well being that have lead women into or keep women in prostitution.And what Mr. Franne has to say:
The other point I take issue with you on is the question of how often women accept money for sex. You are kind of assuming that women will have several clients per day for most of the days in the month, ,make a lot of money, and spend most of it on luxuries, but while that might be the case for some hard core pros fpr a limited time in their short careers, I don't believe it is the case with the majority of part timers who just get a paying client or boyfriend when they can, or when they really need extra cash to pay bills or something.You take issue with me based on what knowledge? Because you have run prostitutes and know how often they are fucking?
A prostitute has to fuck 10 times (at 1500 pesos / fuck) before she crosses the "borderline poor" income line out of 13,770 pesos a month. And if she has a child then she would have to double that number to bring both her child and her over that line. I have presented this most inconvenient truth. It's time for you and all my other critics to explain how women around the 5,520 peso range are living and feeding their children. Do you have any suggestions about how they do it? Are they relying on Sexual Tourists flying dick in one hand and pesos in the other to assist mothers to feed the poor starving children of the Dominican Republic?
In addition you write:
Your whole concept is way off beam.
Here is an example. I know a pleasant young Haitian woman (attractive). She lives with her family in Montellano. She is a legal resident of the DR. She is married, but her husband is in Haiti. She is not a hooker. She is hard working and intelligent and honest and likes to go to school and do courses. I have known her for about 5 years. She worked for me for about 2 years. She got 5000 pesos from me every 2 weeks, plus transportation fare, plus free meals on the job.Using your example, if this employee worked 40 hours a week she made 62.5 pesos an hour. That means for two years you paid her an income left her in the "borderline poor" category. Yes, it was on the upper end of the range but still you were paying wages that left this hard working and intelligent, honest, university course attending young woman "borderline poor"!
Now if we take the market rate of 1500 pesos for a short time and you are willing to stipulate that a short time is 2 hours. If you hire prostitutes at that rate you are paying them 700 pesos an hour. That means you are paying the woman who licks your ass over ten times more an hour than the woman that cleaned up after your ass! Although, I'll stipulate they are both equally unpleasant tasks. How do you justify that situation which is totally within your control because as the employer you set the rate of pay in both cases? Now I don't know what the lady did for you (or the prostitutes for that matter). Nor am I am in the position to state the value of the additional compensation you provided through transportation and meals. But even if you add 2000 more pesos per month that still leaves her in the "borderline poor" category.
Are you going to continue to take issue with me saying prostitutes do not make more money than the "borderline poor"?
In addition you write:
Using your example, if this employee worked 40 hours a week she made 62.5 pesos an hour. That means for two years you paid her an income left her in the "borderline poor" category. Yes, it was on the upper end of the range but still you were paying wages that left this hard working and intelligent, honest, university course attending young woman "borderline poor"!
Now if we take the market rate of 1500 pesos for a short time and you are willing to stipulate that a short time is 2 hours. If you hire prostitutes at that rate you are paying them 700 pesos an hour. That means you are paying the woman who licks your ass over ten times more an hour than the woman that cleaned up after your ass! Although, I'll stipulate they are both equally unpleasant tasks. How do you justify that situation which is totally within your control because as the employer you set the rate of pay in both cases? Now I don't know what the lady did for you (or the prostitutes for that matter). Nor am I am in the position to state the value of the additional compensation you provided through transportation and meals. But even if you add 2000 more pesos per month that still leaves her in the "borderline poor" category.
Are you going to continue to take issue with me saying prostitutes do not make more money than the "borderline poor"?She did not work anywhere close to 40 hours per week for me, so all your calculations are in vain. She loved working for me. However I am not going to explain why, because that is private business.
Nor am I am in the position to state the value of the additional compensation you provided through transportation and meals.About 100 pesos per day for transportation, and you know perfectly well how much food costs in the DR and how much it costs to feed one more person on regular household meals.
Anyway, your arguments are about what constitutes poverty are meaningless without context. If she lived with her parents and sisters, which she did, and had no rent or utility bills to pay other than her cell phone, and ate communally with her family, and had no children, there is no comparison for the cost of living for a single mother who lives away from her family.
What I did say was that when she was no longer able to work for me because I no longer maintained a residence in the DR, the kind of job that she was able to get barely paid for her fares to and from work and her lunches, so she was much worse off. Although she never has and probably never will engage in prostitution, other members of her family have done so, and one married and moved to Europe, one can easily see that many young women will turn to casual prostitution for quick money.
Actually, you have reminded me of the innocent, religious young virgin I met several years ago in Sosua, who was saving herself for her husband, which she did, and when she turned 21 she married. I often fantasized about sex with her, but I never thought it would happen. Less than a year later she had sex with me a few times, so that she could get the money for a new kitchen stove (and also experience oral sex for the first time). Then I didn't see her for a few years until I bumped into her in the street distributing religious tracts to passers-by. She had split from her husband and was living a celibate life. She had not experienced oral sex since, so I took her over to my place and worked her over again for old times sake, although she had added some poundage in the meantime, and she was super orgasmic. She used the donation to buy a new dress.
I might have continued the relationship, except that I had just gotten involved with someone else whom I am still with 5 years later.
Yes, of course some prostitutes make a lot of money, but most don't because they don't have a high volume of clients and their careers in prostitution are short. But there are numerous part times who will accept donations if you catch them at the right time and in the right mood. This is part of the system by which wealth in the DR, which is largely held by older men, is transferred to young families.
SavePros321
07-04-16, 17:40
I've been in this game for years. It made me an animal. There's rules to this shit. I wrote me a manual. A step-by-step booklet for you to get your two balls drained while many pesos remain.
Rule numero uno: Never let a chica know how much dough you hold cause you know. The chicas be use pussy against thee but don't you be a sugar daddy like me.
Number two: Never let them know you next move. Don't you know mongers move in complete silence without violence. Take it from your highness. Arrive unannounced and always much new pussy you'll pounce.
Number three: never trust what chica may say. She will lie every day to get the pesos in play. She be making stuff up to get that fast buck. You need to set the tool straight and let her know what's up.
Number four: know you heard this before. Never get sprung just because you cum.
Number five: never let chica rest where you rest at. I don't care if the chica wants to pout; tell her out!
Number six: chica want god damn credit, dead it. You think a chica be paying you back, shit forget it.
Seven: this rule is so underrated, Keep your chica and your personal business completely separated. Chicas and money don't mix. Ignore this. Find yourself broker than shit.
Number eight: never keep big money on you. Those chicas fucking you will steal your stuff too.
Number nine: should been number one to me. Two chicas you don't know will bring you certain whoa. Threesome in your room is always a no go. Turn head for a minute you be left with nothing in it.
Number ten: A strong word called compassion. Strictly for freshmen, not for veterans. If a chica has a problem just say "hell no". She's only there to suck and fuck, rain, sleet, hail, snow.
Follow these rules you have plenty of pussy to bang up. If not, you might just have a bad wake up.
I'm out!Nice play on Biggie's Ten Crack Commandments, lol :-D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYb_8MM1tGQ
Anyway, your arguments are about what constitutes poverty are meaningless without context. Yes, of course some prostitutes make a lot of money, but most don't because they don't have a high volume of clients and their careers in prostitution are short. But there are numerous part times who will accept donations if you catch them at the right time and in the right mood. This is part of the system by which wealth in the DR, which is largely held by older men, is transferred to young families.Mr. Frannie,
What is your basis for making the above statement?
Nothing in your statement contains a single hard fact. You have failed to present any information other than your personal opinions, along with your personal suppositions about poverty, the income received by prostitutes and the transference of wealth in the Dominican Republic. Who owns the wealth in the US? The wealthiest 160,000 families own as much wealth as the poorest 145 million families, and that wealth is about 10 times as unequal as income. Care to guess the age and racial composition of the patriarchs of those families? But I digress!
Originally you took issue with my statement of how much it costs to raise a child. Since you feel the need to put things into context, remember that I was illustrating that the majority of women manage to raise their children without becoming prostitutes. I rejected the idea that prostitutes are just trying to get by and feed their children. I presented both anecdotal evidence and statistical facts to support my argument. I have shown that even though there is a high rate of poverty in the Dominican Republic. The majority of women do not resort to prostitution to make it economically. Furthermore, I showed how a prostitute does not need to fuck that much (10 fucks can be acheved in one weekend) to bring herself out of the borderline poor category. I have provided you with the context. You cannot simply declare them to be meaningless because you don't like what I've written. Ignoring the facts doesn't change them.
Your post contained some interesting stories. I found them to be entertaining.
Originally you took issue with my statement of how much it costs to raise a child. Since you feel the need to put things into context, remember that I was illustrating that the majority of women manage to raise their children without becoming prostitutes. I rejected the idea that prostitutes are just trying to get by and feed their children. I presented both anecdotal evidence and statistical facts to support my argument. I have shown that even though there is a high rate of poverty in the Dominican Republic. The majority of women do not resort to prostitution to make it economically. Furthermore, I showed how a prostitute does not need to fuck that much (10 fucks can be acheved in one weekend) to bring herself out of the borderline poor category. I have provided you with the context. You cannot simply declare them to be meaningless because you don't like what I've written. Ignoring the facts doesn't change them.
Your post contained some interesting stories. I found them to be entertaining.It may be true that the majority of (single) women in the DR get by without selling sex, but also true that the main reason those who sell sex do so is to get by financially.
I had a friend several years ago who ran a nightclub where they had 20-odd girls living on site who were taken out by men for a 500 peso salida. He kept an Excel spreadsheet that he showed me several times of the salida earnings for the population of girls. It was a bell curve thing. There were a few girls who got taken out pretty much every day they worked, but the majority were hardly ever called upon, and some not at all. I am pretty sure that is the same in any area where there is prostitution in the DR, so that is why I doubt that it is easy for most women to get sex with 10 tourists in a weekend. Also, based on conversations and relationships with some other women I have known, and their friends, I find this to be doubtful. I have also spoken to women who work in the massage parlors, and they say that most days they don't make any money at all. For them a day in which they get two paying customers is a godsend.
It may be true that the majority of (single) women in the DR get by without selling sex, but also true that the main reason those who sell sex do so is to get by financially..Based on the anecdotal evidence you presented this remains simply your opinion.
Anecdotal: based on personal observation, case study reports, or random investigations rather than systematic scientific evaluation.
Once again you choose to take a series of stories based on personal observations, case study reports and random investigations rather than using any systematic scientific evaluation, and instead simply stating that this is your opinion you present the information as if they are the actual facts in all of the situations involving prostitution in the Dominican Republic. You cannot use those anecdotal stories to make a statement that covers all situations involving prostitution in Dominican Republic. It may be true that, in the cases you presented, the women involved in prostitution within the Dominican Republic were not making much money. But it's still not possible for you to state with systematic scientific evaluation that this is the case for "any area in which there is prostitution in the DR".
In your stories you did not even detail the city in which the "nightclub" and massage parlor operations were located. Are you taking the position that there is no difference in demographics, per capita income, or market demand for prostitution across all of the cities and towns located in the Dominican Republic? Furthermore, the idea that sex is being sold mainly to get by financially is once again simply your opinion that you have chosen to present as a statement of fact for 100% of the women who have entered prostitution. Yet, using your own example:
Less than a year later she had sex with me a few times, so that she could get the money for a new kitchen stove. She had not experienced oral sex since, so I took her over to my place and worked her over again for old times sake, although she had added some poundage in the meantime, and she was super orgasmic. She used the donation to buy a new dress.She used the money to buy a new kitchen stove and for buying a new dress. I didn't see a woman in that story that could not feed her children or that was going to starve. Yet, you and other employers pay hourly wages that leave women in the "borderline poor" category while continuing to pay prostitutes hourly wages that are well above that standard.
You are entitled to your opinion that women who enter prostitution do not make a lot of money at it. But being a prostitute is one of those economic activities where you get paid like being a pilot. A pilot only gets paid when the engines are running. A prostitute is only gets paid when one of her holes is being penetrated. But the hourly rate of pay received in both cases exceed the average in both cases.
It may be true that the majority of (single) women in the DR get by without selling sex, but also true that the main reason those who sell sex do so is to get by financially.
I had a friend several years ago who ran a nightclub where they had 20-odd girls living on site who were taken out by men for a 500 peso salida. He kept an Excel spreadsheet that he showed me several times of the salida earnings for the population of girls. It was a bell curve thing. There were a few girls who got taken out pretty much every day they worked, but the majority were hardly ever called upon, and some not at all. I am pretty sure that is the same in any area where there is prostitution in the DR, so that is why I doubt that it is easy for most women to get sex with 10 tourists in a weekend. Also, based on conversations and relationships with some other women I have known, and their friends, I find this to be doubtful. I have also spoken to women who work in the massage parlors, and they say that most days they don't make any money at all. For them a day in which they get two paying customers is a godsend.Sex work is not a regular job, with a fixed income. It is more like fishing. There are productive periods, and long dry spells. Even for the most attractive chica, there may be periods when clients are plentiful, and other periods, when there are none. But even during the dry spells, their overhead / expenses (local accommodations, food, etc) remain.
Mr Enternational
07-06-16, 00:56
Sex work is not a regular job, with a fixed income. It is more like fishing. There are productive periods, and long dry spells. Even for the most attractive chica, there may be periods when clients are plentiful, and other periods, when there are none. But even during the dry spells, their overhead / expenses (local accommodations, food, etc) remain.And besides that, how many sex workers ANYWHERE do you really see living large? Every now and then a Heidy Fleiss or somebody will come along, but your average, everyday, run of the mill hooker ain't coming down in a drop top Benz or pulling up to a mansion. Most of them are doing it for just bread and meat.
Based on the anecdotal evidence you presented this remains simply your opinion.
Anecdotal: based on personal observation, case study reports, or random investigations rather than systematic scientific evaluation.
Once again you choose to take a series of stories based on personal observations, case study reports and random investigations rather than using any systematic scientific evaluation, and instead simply stating that this is your opinion you present the information as if they are the actual facts in all of the situations involving prostitution in the Dominican Republic. You cannot use those anecdotal stories to make a statement that covers all situations involving prostitution in Dominican Republic. It may be true that, in the cases you presented, the women involved in prostitution within the Dominican Republic were not making much money. But it's still not possible for you to state with systematic scientific evaluation that this is the case for "any area in which there is prostitution in the DR".
In your stories you did not even detail the city in which the "nightclub" and massage parlor operations were located. Are you taking the position that there is no difference in demographics, per capita income, or market demand for prostitution across all of the cities and towns located in the Dominican Republic? Furthermore, the idea that sex is being sold mainly to get by financially is once again simply your opinion that you have chosen to present as a statement of fact for 100% of the women who have entered prostitution. Yet, using your own example:
She used the money to buy a new kitchen stove and for buying a new dress. I didn't see a woman in that story that could not feed her children or that was going to starve. Yet, you and other employers pay hourly wages that leave women in the "borderline poor" category while continuing to pay prostitutes hourly wages that are well above that standard.
You are entitled to your opinion that women who enter prostitution do not make a lot of money at it. But being a prostitute is one of those economic activities where you get paid like being a pilot. A pilot only gets paid when the engines are running. A prostitute is only gets paid when one of her holes is being penetrated. But the hourly rate of pay received in both cases exceed the average in both cases.You are just using a lot of high-flown academic terminology to cover up the fact that you have no special information. Of course I do not name the city or club that was run by my friend, because in the current climate of expulsions of foreign club operators from the DR, I don't want to publish information that would identify individuals and their families to possible adverse consequences.
Hower, it is my hypothesis, first of all, that more money is spent on prostitution in the North coast stretch from Puerto Plata to Cabarete than in other parts of the DR, possibly excluding Santiago and Santo Domingo, where the clientele seems to be mainly Dominican. So when I speak of my knowledge of the amount that hookers are earning on the North coast, I am assuming that there are not other areas where they are making considerably more money and finding more customers, otherwise why do so many chicas travel from places like Bonao, La Vega, Santiago, and even Santo Domingo, to Sosua if they could make more money in those other places?
Of course there are some chicas who hit the jackpot and find a man who accommodates them in a luxury apartment, provides a car, (I know a few in the Cabarete area), and in some cases marries them and takes them to Europe, Canada, Brazil, or the US. However they are not making money by a large volume of sex acts, so they fall outside what you are talking about. Anyway, by the time the chica has been with the guy living overseas for a few years, and has children and a job, the questions of her origins and how they met become moot.
Buying a new stove or a new dress are pretty humble aspirations. If someone in the DR is wanting a kitchen stove, it is because they don't have one, or the cooking arrangements they have are pretty modest or inadequate. Maybe they had to cook over at her mother's house. I don't recall the exact details now, about 10 years later. When the chica in question was newly married her husband was working in a junior capacity in the meat department of a well known supermarket, so I don't think he was exactly bringing home a lot of money, but perhaps he got some meat out the back door, I don't know. She was living in Sabaneta, which has a lot of pretty humble homes, many of which would be described as shacks, where I would hesitate to even sit down, never mind sleep. No, you are correct that she was not dying of hunger or suffering from malnutrition, but I did not say that she was.
Nice play on Biggie's Ten Crack Commandments, lol :-D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYb_8MM1tGQThat's right Mr. SavePros. That was the inspiration for The Ten Chica Commandments!
You are just using a lot of high-flown academic terminology to cover up the fact that you have no special information
She was living in Sabaneta, which has a lot of pretty humble homes, many of which would be described as shacks, where I would hesitate to even sit down, never mind sleep. No, you are correct that she was not dying of hunger or suffering from malnutrition, but I did not say that she was.There you go again my man. Another anecdotal story to prove a point that can't be proven solely with the information you have provided. But you are right about one thing. I don't have any special information about prostitution in the Dominican Republic. I will stipulate that you are the expert on prostitution in the Dominican Republic in this discussion.
My hypothesis was that economic conditions do not drive the majority of women in the Dominican Republic into prostitution, neither to care for themselves nor to care for their children. I presented statistical facts about the difficult economic conditions over 40% of the women face here in the Dominican Republic. You counter with stories about prostitutes. My special knowledge and experiences are with regular women that are not prostitutes. I've told you their stories. As I said before, this entire discussion started because you took issue with me over my statement about how much it took to raise a child in the Dominican Republic.
Although your endless stories about prostitutes are very interesting and entertaining they really are not germane to the discussion at hand. You have not provided any specific information even on an anecdotal basis about the economic hardship of your prostitutes that shows this as the driving factor of their entry into prostitution. I have provided at least three examples of regular women (and you provided one) who are surviving on "borderline poor" incomes without resorting to prostitution. And I would like to add that in almost 2 years of living here I personally know many regular women who continue to exist and survive on "borderline poor" incomes. Regular women are my area of expertise. I started the UTR's, Non-Pros (NP) and Sugar Babies (SB) thread to discuss these women.
The argument you make is that most prostitutes are not making very much money. If one were to stipulate to that statement, then the anti prostitution candidate I read about in another thread actually has it right. Sexual Tourism is bad for the city of Sosua. It's bad for the women involved in prostitution because it does not provide a sustainable income. A fact you support: "So when I speak of my knowledge of the amount that hookers are earning on the North coast, I am assuming that there are not other areas where they are making considerably more money and finding more customers. " According to your statement these women would be better off working in jobs similar to the one you provided where they receive wages that leave them "borderline poor". Your statements as an expert and person of special knowledge in this area provides support for the anti prostitution politicians arguments for the need to get rid of prostitution in Sosua because it is holding back economic growth. With the removal of prostitution Sosua can be restored to the place it once was as a beach playground for tourists and families. Right?
From what I can make out from the ejaculations you expect us to gobble down, a Sugar Daddy is about the same thing as a Western Union novio?
Or rather Sugar Daddy is a term used on certain prostitution Web sites in the hope of avoiding legal sanctions and of persuading some gullible young women to prostitute themselves while fooling themselves into thinking they are not. Having had a bit of a browse of the Web site you link to, I find the Western Union novio thing in the DR infinitely honester and more likely to give satisfaction to both sides.Mr. Frannie,
You speak about me asking the forum to gobble down ejaculate. I make no such request of you or any other readers of this thread. Although I am flattered by your offer (I didn't know you rolled like that) I must decline. I have three harem girls that are happy to swallow the copious amounts of ejaculate that my seminal vesicles produce!
Your grasp of the Sugar Daddy concept is at best: faulty.
In no way does it resemble being a Western Union novio. How you managed to reach that conclusion escapes me completely. In your post you appear to reject the information that I provided. If you need more information from what you might deem to be a more credible source then I suggest that you review the extensive bank of material posted by other mongers on the issue.
This information can be found at http://www.usasexguide.info. The majority of the information will be under Virginia: Richmond: "Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" "Amateurs or Not?" in the User Blog section. There is also a very active thread in California: "LOS Angeles: Sugar Daddy Sites" in the User Blog section and a formerly active thread in Nevada: Las Vegas: The Sugar World in the User Blog section.
I've been to The Sue and during my entire time there I didn't see a single establishment advertising that you could find prostitutes inside. Yet you advocate entering places of business (declaring them to be "prostitute bars") with the express purpose of picking up a prostitute, but you wish to accomplish the task while avoiding making a purchase in the establishment. True there is not expressed obligation for you to make a purchase. But the owner of the establishment has invested capital in overhead and has monthly expenses to maintain. And if a woman is sitting in the bar is just having a drink and minding her own business, aren't you the one convincing her and taking advantage of a gullible young women by proposing that she has sex with you for money? LOL!
You speak about me asking the forum to gobble down ejaculate. I make no such request of you or any other readers of this thread. Although I am flattered by your offer (I didn't know you rolled like that) I must decline. I have three harem girls that are happy to swallow the copious amounts of ejaculate that my seminal vesicles produce!
Your grasp of the Sugar Daddy concept is at best faulty
In no way does it resemble being a Western Union novio. How you managed to reach that conclusion escapes me completely..
Urban dictionnary: Sugar daddy.
A man who provides money or other favors in exchange for sexual relations.
"All that ***** wants is a sugar daddy. ".
pros·ti·tute
ˈprästəˌt(y)o͞ot/
noun
noun: prostitute; plural noun: prostitutes
1.
a person, typically a woman, who engages in sexual activity for payment.
I've been to The Sue and during my entire time there I didn't see a single establishment advertising that you could find prostitutes inside. Yet you advocate entering places of business (declaring them to be "prostitute bars") with the express purpose of picking up a prostitute, but you wish to accomplish the task while avoiding making a purchase in the establishment. True there is not expressed obligation for you to make a purchase. But the owner of the establishment has invested capital in overhead and has monthly expenses to maintain. And if a woman is sitting in the bar is just having a drink and minding her own business, aren't you the one convincing her and taking advantage of a gullible young women by proposing that she has sex with you for money?
You are incredibly naive if you don't understand that certain bars and discos in Sosua (no one calls it 'The Sue") and some other places, exist purely for the purposes of making money out of prostitution, by providing a place where prostitutes can meet johns. They do not advertise this because if they did, they would be shut down, like Passions in Sosua was shut down primarily because it overtly advertised prostitution. The women you have seen sitting in these bars do not go there to "have a drink and mind their own business" even if it might appear that way to a naive prospect like yourself.
Frannie,
You know didn't quote my post as I wrote it. Here is exactly what I wrote:
Mr. Frannie,
You speak about me asking the forum to gobble down ejaculate. I make no such request of you or any other readers of this thread. Although I am flattered by your offer (I didn't know you rolled like that) I must decline. I have three harem girls that are happy to swallow the copious amounts of ejaculate that my seminal vesicles produce!
Your grasp of the Sugar Daddy concept is at best: faulty.
In no way does it resemble being a Western Union novio. How you managed to reach that conclusion escapes me completely. In your post you appear to reject the information that I provided. If you need more information from what you might deem to be a more credible source then I suggest that you review the extensive bank of material posted by other mongers on the issue...And your response (edited somewhat):
You are incredibly naive if you don't understand that certain bars and discos in Sosua (no one calls it 'The Sue") and some other places, exist purely for the purposes of making money out of prostitution, by providing a place where prostitutes can meet johns. They do not advertise this because if they did, they would be shut down, like Passions in Sosua was shut down primarily because it overtly advertised prostitution. The women you have seen sitting in these bars do not go there to "have a drink and mind their own business" even if it might appear that way to a naive prospect like yourself.You must be incredibly pedantic if you could not figure out that my response was in jest and my question to you rhetorical. Since you are fond of quoting the Urban Dictionary: LOL. It's original definition was "Laughing out loud" (also written occasionally as "Lots of Laughs" used as a brief acronym to denote great amusement in chat conversations).
What happens when a critic (such as yourself) is having an intellectually challenging conversation with a man in the arena (similar to me) when they run out of logical arguments and find themselves intellectually bankrupt? They resort to misrepresentations and personal insults.
One of my girls saved me 18,000 DOP. I just ordered her a new cell phone. BOOYAO!
I have a friend who's wife is pregnant and she got bit and has it. But she was out of her first trimester and that's when the baby faces the greatest danger from birth defects because that is when the organs affected by Zika are developing. So, far she is just in a lot of discomfort. The baby is fine.
This is a threadjack. Nobody touch a keyboard and no one gets hurt.
Game
Having a deeper understanding of the situation or transaction taking place than person and or people you're dealing with, thereby using it to your advantage. We all got game and gamed. And we all pay something.
Grownman1.From man in the arena!
Mr. Revere,
You prefer to be addressed directly? I'm going to do that here. Because according to Mr. Yonkers44 the Sosua Reports section is not the appropriate place to, how did he say it? Inject political or religious views. Since I have no medical skills the only thing I inject is my ejaculate into the holes of the many willing chicas that I run across on this island (But I digress).
Have the people here that keep talking like they know sonething go where I have gone. If you read my La Victoria maximum prison post.Actually I did. But we are here to talk about your most recent post. You claim that others "talk shit" and you are here to save us all as the great checker of "weak motherfuckers". Ok. It reminds me of a line out of "Welcome to my Hood" where little Wayne says "I talk a lot of shit and practice what I preach". In addition you drone on and on about your adventures in La Victoria. You claim to have inside knowledge of a jail that is the subject of a detailed report the Dominican government only wants to as "Snoop Dogg" says: "drop it like it's hot". Yes, you have been there and reported what you saw. But your claim of exclusive inside knowledge is dubious at best.
http://acento.com.do/2016/actualidad/8364588-la-victoria-genera-mas-rd3-millones-semanales-negocios-internos/
http://www.elnuevodiario.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=487907
People on the ground. I am on the ground right now! Really my man? So you are using your time and experience to be critical of others, give lessons on proper decorum when interacting with street prostitutes, and espousing your personal rhetoric in regards to how visitors of a particular racial background should behave. Give us some real information instead of hinting about seeing secret reports issued by the Dominican Government. Or stories about a Dominican Jail that are unrelated to the issues at hand.
He reminds me of some people on this board who think they know something and have no connections that can help them when the shit hits the fan. Everyone talking tough like they know something has never been in there and trust me you have no connections in there and do not speak spainish you can forget it and pray you make it out. But I am snob. You been in there? No have have not "been in there". Unless you happen to be talking about the pussies of many Dominicanas. I've "been in there" plenty of times. And that is a more interesting past time (at least to me). And exactly who are you addressing? The majority of your post seems to address an audience really has not been participating in the discussion. I haven't seen a single post from a "want to be gangster", "weekend baller" or "Thug". (Although it is quite possible in this volatile environment that no one is self identifying as such). The entire point of your post is lost on me.
I haven't been in La Victoria. But if you think you are the only one with connections here on this island you are sadly mistaken. Mr. Oakie has police connections. Mr. E has pictures with high ranking government officials. They are both visitors. And I'm certain that many other long term visitors to this island have the same type of connections. But most importantly they have knowledge about how things operate on this island.
I am as real as they come always respectful, but people want to talk shit like they know something I will check them because weak mothfuckers always want to try to lash out and put you down because they are not shit.Real? Maybe. Respectful? Hardly. Knowledgeable user of street lingo and slang? Yeah, I'll give you that one to you my man.
Although I have been known to fuck a mother on occasion, I hope I am not in the minority on that issue and if so I guess it just means I need to hit the gym and throw up some weight. I do not feel like I have been checked like a "weak motherfucker". Although I'm fairly certain that you and members of your critical crew would disagree.
"When a man who is nothing more than a critic has lost the intellectual battle they resort to misrepresentations and personal insults".
Subcmdr
Mr. Revere,
You prefer to be addressed directly? I'm going to do that here. Because according to Mr. Yonkers44 the Sosua Reports section is not the appropriate place to, how did he say it? Inject political or religious views. Since I have no medical skills the only thing I inject is my ejaculate into the holes of the many willing chicas that I run across on this island (But I digress).
Actually I did. But we are here to talk about your most recent post. You claim that others "talk shit" and you are here to save us all as the great checker of "weak motherfuckers". Ok. It reminds me of a line out of "Welcome to my Hood" where little Wayne says "I talk a lot of shit and practice what I preach". In addition you drone on and on about your adventures in La Victoria. You claim to have inside knowledge of a jail that is the subject of a detailed report the Dominican government only wants to as "Snoop Dogg" says: "drop it like it's hot". Yes, you have been there and reported what you saw. But your claim of exclusive inside knowledge is dubious at best.
http://acento.com.do/2016/actualidad/8364588-la-victoria-genera-mas-rd3-millones-semanales-negocios-internos/
http://www.elnuevodiario.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=487907
Really my man? So you are using your time and experience to be critical of others, give lessons on proper decorum when interacting with street prostitutes, and espousing your personal rhetoric in regards to how visitors of a particular racial background should behave. Give us some real information instead of hinting about seeing secret reports issued by the Dominican Government. Or stories about a Dominican Jail that are unrelated to the issues at hand.
No have have not "been in there". Unless you happen to be talking about the pussies of many Dominicanas. I've "been in there" plenty of times. And that is a more interesting past time (at least to me). And exactly who are you addressing? The majority of your post seems to address an audience really has not been participating in the discussion. I haven't seen a single post from a "want to be gangster", "weekend baller" or "Thug". (Although it is quite possible in this volatile environment that no one is self identifying as such). The entire point of your post is lost on me.
I haven't been in La Victoria. But if you think you are the only one with connections here on this island you are sadly mistaken. Mr. Oakie has police connections. Mr. E has pictures with high ranking government officials. They are both visitors. And I'm certain that many other long term visitors to this island have the same type of connections. But most importantly they have knowledge about how things operate on this island.
Real? Maybe. Respectful? Hardly. Knowledgeable user of street lingo and slang? Yeah, I'll give you that one to you my man.
Although I have been known to fuck a mother on occasion, I hope I am not in the minority on that issue and if so I guess it just means I need to hit the gym and throw up some weight. I do not feel like I have been checked like a "weak motherfucker". Although I'm fairly certain that you and members of your critical crew would disagree.
"When a man who is nothing more than a critic has lost the intellectual battle they resort to misrepresentations and personal insults".
SubcmdrOk here is where I am right now. Let's see if you show up. I am hanging on the malecon in ensanche isabelita barrio across from the texaco. It is popping here right now. I am the only one with a cleveland caviliers hat on. No one else has it on cannot miss me. At 1 am I will be at eurphoria right before the bar on the left in the owners vip booth. You want to talk I will be there. You know the owner of eurphoria right should be no problem seeing me. I do not do brothels I like to hang out at hot spots with non pros. You have been to eurphoria on venezuela right? I will be there at 1 am. Hottest club tonight in santo domingo. You know that right. I know you been to eurphoria so you know exactly where the owners vip booth is meet drinks on me.
First, the club next to Eurphoria is Energy Night Club. However, I said in a previous post the girls in groups meet in the next club to Energy on the corner that looks like a country western club and plays Latin music before they go to Energy and Eurphoria.
Ok here is where I am right now. I am hanging on the malecon in ensanche isabelita barrio across from the texaco. At 1 am I will be at eurphoria right before the bar on the left in the owners vip booth. You have been to eurphoria on venezuela right? I will be there at 1 am. Hottest club tonight in santo domingo. Mr. Revere,
Welcome to the UTR's, Non-Pros (NP), and Sugar Babies (SB) thread. Given that we both prefer Non-Pros. I'm surprised you have not posted here before. I am familiar with your previous posts. If your invitation was sincere then I'll take a rain check.
I already had plans with my #1. But who wouldn't miss the opportunity to pop bottles with you and your "dimes" at the owners VIP booth in Euphoria. But, if you want to talk, there are better venues and better times. I prefer to have my harem girls keep me company during my prime social times. I don't ask them to fan me because I purchased one after I moved here. But I still enjoy it when they feed me grapes.
Euphoria is actually located in Santo Domingo Este. But you got the street right my man. If you are standing on the sidewalk in front of the Burger King and look across the street you will see Evolution, Euphoria, Energy, La Barrica. My harem girls prefer La Barrica. We sit on the second floor outside, have drinks and watch the street life below.
I hope you had a good evening and a most invigorating night. I certainly did.
P.S. PM me and we can set something up for the future.
Mr. Revere,
Excellent advice. I'll have to try your method next time. I don't mind checking a place out with a regular. Usually I go because they recommend it. And it never hurts to be seen in a venue with a pretty girl. It's not like the other girls care. It just makes you a challenge.I am surprised on you own blog you do not remember I did post a message which you said good advice to help you. You okay? I did go to La Victoria I posted pictures but like you did not remember I posted on your blog you did not due your due diligence to see I had posted pictures of La Victoria before you started talking as you always do trying to check me. You got to get it together your not as tight as you think because you would not be making these mistakes. Very sloppy and you know it! Eurporhia was poping last night please tell the board what's better than that on Saturday night. I am all over santo domingo and I do not know where more talent on a satuday night with dimes then eurphoria. Please do not just say better places tell the board. Next time show up you might learn something and meet people you do not know. If i know the owner of eurphoria assume i know a lot of people.
You called me out on your board I told you I am going to respond. Just let it go! You cool with me.
I am surprised on you own blog you do not remember I did post a message which you said good advice to help you. You okay? I did go to La Victoria I posted pictures but like you did not remember I posted on your blog you did not due your due diligence to see I had posted pictures of La Victoria before you started talking as you always do trying to check me. You got to get it together your not as tight as you think because you would not be making these mistakes. Very sloppy and you know it! Eurporhia was poping last night please tell the board what's better than that on Saturday night. I am all over santo domingo and I do not know where more talent on a satuday night with dimes then eurphoria. Please do not just say better places tell the board. Next time show up you might learn something and meet people you do not know. If i know the owner of euphoria assume i know a lot of people.I'm fine my man. Thank you. My night with my #1 was very satisfying.
A review of my blog shows that you posted about Euphoria on Venezuela before. Nothing else. And if you read my previous post carefully you will see that I said my harem girls prefer La Barrica. I did not proffer the name of what I felt was the best club in Santo Domingo. Nor will I. I don't need too. You have already done that for me. I posted the pictures because you are not the only reader of this thread. You have not posted a single picture in my thread. I suppose that if someone wanted more information they could use the search function. But to do that they would need correct spelling of names, streets and proper locations.
I make mistakes. I've made many of them. In life and in what I have written on this forum. And when I make mistakes on this board there is a long list of critics to point them out. You are one of them. I make no challenge to the majority of your claims to fame. But if you are going proclaim yourself as the official checker of "weak motherfuckers", I would suggest that you check your spelling and your facts.
Woke up and the sun was shining. I looked out of my bedroom window. What did see? My never changing ocean view. Somehow, I just never seem to get bored with it. Haven't been in a hotel here yet that could match it.
Up early, doing my morning routine because I've got a busy day today. Fire up the Gran Jefe mobile and I'm off to complete my first task. Headed to the Western Union office. My #2 is on the outs with the father of children again and he refuses to pay what's required or anything else. A couple of days ago she let me know her youngest child's birthday was coming up and she wanted to take him to the pool and buy him a cake. I told her to let me know if she needed any help. And left it at that.
Never heard anything back from her. And it's the night before her child's birthday and she still hasn't figured it out. OK, I've got to ask her how much she needs. She indicates the birthday cake she has her eye on costs X (insert whatever large number that you can't afford to pay or that you are too cheap to pay here) pesos, but asks me if I could give her X plus (again just insert whatever large number that you can't afford to pay or that you are too cheap to pay, but add an amount that would make it totally ridiculous here). I tell her: "no problem". Because that's how I roll! But I'm thinking to myself: How, am I going to get the pesos to you? His birthday is tomorrow. I'm in for the night and I'm not headed back out to look for an open Western Union office". Now, if I was back in Vegas, there is a 24 hour place located 10 minutes from my apartment. Wouldn't be any problem. I ask her if tomorrow morning would be fine. And her response is: "Whatever you can do. " I love her to death!
So, I arrive at the Western Union office and get in line. It's longest line I've ever seen in this particular office and they have only person working. The gentleman in front of me was complaining to me about it and I wanted to tell him "It's your country". But thought better of it. Simply agreed and responded that I didn't know why they don't have more people working.
While waiting in this long line and I am multi-tasking like a mug. I have my number #3 on Whatsapp. And I gave the heads up that I would be visiting her in the store and was ready to purchase the items we had discussed. I've got a photo showing me my cart with all my items already there and a question do I want anything else. I tell her the additional things that I want and she goes off to look for them in her store. Sends me the pictures. Not the right stuff. We make a slight correction and she's back with more photos. Bingo! And I'm all set. I let her know I have some things to do before I arrive but I will be there a little bit after noon.
I arrive at the window and the transaction is seamless. My #2 is in the system already. It goes very quickly. And although I receive constant correction from the Spanish Professors in the forum, I'm able to complete the transaction quickly, efficiently and without question. I take a picture of the receipt and send it to my #2 in whatsapp. She's very happy and thankful. I apology for not being there in person (my money it there and that's even better for everyone involved) but I'm there in spirit. I tell her to document the day's event in pictures and send them to me.
Fire up the Gran Jefe mobile back up and I'm off to the store where my #3 works. I arrive and everything that I wanted is there. She is happy to see me and I'm happy to see her. She's right in my sweet spot age wise and we seem to have a special bond going even though we had a rough start. I have a few more things to price and we are off together to look around the store and price out the things I'm looking for. The things I need are so expensive here. You are paying for the boat trip. And they are so heavy I'm not sure it makes since to try and have them shipped in. The price difference on some of the items has me looking into it. My budget is already maxed so we return to her desk and has her boss ring my items up. She gets me a discount. I just love her to death!
So, she has been my personal shopper. She has saved me time, effort and money. And she is an outstanding performer in the bedroom. I decided to take her to lunch with the money she saved me. No, we are not going for empanadas motherfuckers. We are going to Galeria 360 motherfuckers. We are going to eat at the food court motherfuckers. And that is what we did. The eye candy in Galeria 360 is outstanding. I let her pick the food vendor because it's her treat. We had a leisurely lunch and talked about a lot of stuff.
So, it comes around to what I call the "I want to have your baby" discussion. I don't shy away from these discussions. I approach the issue head on. I start by telling her I'm interested but I have few things she needs to know and a few conditions. First thing is I remind her of how old I am. And I point out I'll be even older after 18 years of a child growing up. To a chica they are not phased by that "no importa" is always their response. Then I let her know that she needs keep having my babies until she gives me a son. That gives her pause. Then I let her know that I will not be providing any physical childcare. I'm up for doing fatherly duties and providing financial support (if the baby is mine) but that she better find a relative or hire someone to help her take care of the child or children. Lastly, I tell her she will not be living with me. I will always keep a residence separate from hers and I will be spending most of my time there. To a chica after having this discussion they simply say, "Tu me diste muchos cosas por me piensas" (You gave me many things for my thoughts).
Lunch is over with and I just hang out with her at her desk for the rest of the day. Every once and while I venture out to check out other stores and pick up a few other things. I also take a few pictures of just regular people going about their regular business.
Photos:
1. Old man putting in work. 2. But first, let me take selfie. 3. Ass for days.
All my harem girls (three right now) keep me interested and excited both inside and outside of the bedroom. I made my #2 AND her child happy! She sent me pictures of the pool party and the party with the birthday cake she bought him later that evening. And she saved the sexy photos in her bikini and bikini cover up and sent them to me the next day. Man she is gorgeous! I made my #3's day a little brighter. It was interesting seeing her interact in her work environment. She's a very popular girl and out going. I'm sure she will do well when she finishes university and starts seeking out better employment. It was also fun knowing I had seen her naked. LOL. This is how I prefer spending my time and money. I returned home and my number #1 hit me late in the evening. She had a long day at work.
This is SubCmdr reminding all critical motherfuckers that they don't count. I'm a man in the arena. And because I live here motherfuckers, it's not a trip report it's a life report. Until next time, this is SubCmdr signing off!
FuckAfMedDig
09-07-16, 18:21
Woke up and the sun was shining. I looked out of my bedroom window. What did see? My never changing ocean view. Somehow, I just never seem to get bored with it. Haven't been in a hotel here yet that could match it.
Up early, doing my morning routine because I've got a busy day today. Fire up the Gran Jefe mobile and I'm off to complete my first task. Headed to the Western Union office. My #2 is on the outs with the father of children again and he refuses to pay what's required or anything else. A couple of days ago she let me know her youngest child's birthday was coming up and she wanted to take him to the pool and buy him a cake. I told her to let me know if she needed any help. And left it at that.
Never heard anything back from her. And it's the night before her child's birthday and she still hasn't figured it out. OK, I've got to ask her how much she needs. She indicates the birthday cake she has her eye on costs X (insert whatever large number that you can't afford to pay or that you are too cheap to pay here) pesos, but asks me if I could give her X plus (again just insert whatever large number that you can't afford to pay or that you are too cheap to pay, but add an amount that would make it totally ridiculous here). I tell her: "no problem". Because that's how I roll! But I'm thinking to myself: How, am I going to get the pesos to you? His birthday is tomorrow. I'm in for the night and I'm not headed back out to look for an open Western Union office". Now, if I was back in Vegas, there is a 24 hour place located 10 minutes from my apartment. Wouldn't be any problem. I ask her if tomorrow morning would be fine. And her response is: "Whatever you can do. " I love her to death!
So, I arrive at the Western Union office and get in line. It's longest line I've ever seen in this particular office and they have only person working. The gentleman in front of me was complaining to me about it and I wanted to tell him "It's your country". But thought better of it. Simply agreed and responded that I didn't know why they don't have more people working.
While waiting in this long line and I am multi-tasking like a mug. I have my number #3 on Whatsapp. And I gave the heads up that I would be visiting her in the store and was ready to purchase the items we had discussed. I've got a photo showing me my cart with all my items already there and a question do I want anything else. I tell her the additional things that I want and she goes off to look for them in her store. Sends me the pictures. Not the right stuff. We make a slight correction and she's back with more photos. Bingo! And I'm all set. I let her know I have some things to do before I arrive but I will be there a little bit after noon.
I arrive at the window and the transaction is seamless. My #2 is in the system already. It goes very quickly. And although I receive constant correction from the Spanish Professors in the forum, I'm able to complete the transaction quickly, efficiently and without question. I take a picture of the receipt and send it to my #2 in whatsapp. She's very happy and thankful. I apology for not being there in person (my money it there and that's even better for everyone involved) but I'm there in spirit. I tell her to document the day's event in pictures and send them to me.
Fire up the Gran Jefe mobile back up and I'm off to the store where my #3 works. I arrive and everything that I wanted is there. She is happy to see me and I'm happy to see her. She's right in my sweet spot age wise and we seem to have a special bond going even though we had a rough start. I have a few more things to price and we are off together to look around the store and price out the things I'm looking for. The things I need are so expensive here. You are paying for the boat trip. And they are so heavy I'm not sure it makes since to try and have them shipped in. The price difference on some of the items has me looking into it. My budget is already maxed so we return to her desk and has her boss ring my items up. She gets me a discount. I just love her to death!
So, she has been my personal shopper. She has saved me time, effort and money. And she is an outstanding performer in the bedroom. I decided to take her to lunch with the money she saved me. No, we are not going for empanadas motherfuckers. We are going to Galeria 360 motherfuckers. We are going to eat at the food court motherfuckers. And that is what we did. The eye candy in Galeria 360 is outstanding. I let her pick the food vendor because it's her treat. We had a leisurely lunch and talked about a lot of stuff.
So, it comes around to what I call the "I want to have your baby" discussion. I don't shy away from these discussions. I approach the issue head on. I start by telling her I'm interested but I have few things she needs to know and a few conditions. First thing is I remind her of how old I am. And I point out I'll be even older after 18 years of a child growing up. To a chica they are not phased by that "no importa" is always their response. Then I let her know that she needs keep having my babies until she gives me a son. That gives her pause. Then I let her know that I will not be providing any physical childcare. I'm up for doing fatherly duties and providing financial support (if the baby is mine) but that she better find a relative or hire someone to help her take care of the child or children. Lastly, I tell her she will not be living with me. I will always keep a residence separate from hers and I will be spending most of my time there. To a chica after having this discussion they simply say, "Tu me diste muchos cosas por me piensas" (You gave me many things for my thoughts).
Lunch is over with and I just hang out with her at her desk for the rest of the day. Every once and while I venture out to check out other stores and pick up a few other things. I also take a few pictures of just regular people going about their regular business.
Photos:
1. Old man putting in work. 2. But first, let me take selfie. 3. Ass for days.
All my harem girls (three right now) keep me interested and excited both inside and outside of the bedroom. I made my #2 AND her child happy! She sent me pictures of the pool party and the party with the birthday cake she bought him later that evening. And she saved the sexy photos in her bikini and bikini cover up and sent them to me the next day. Man she is gorgeous! I made my #3's day a little brighter. It was interesting seeing her interact in her work environment. She's a very popular girl and out going. I'm sure she will do well when she finishes university and starts seeking out better employment. It was also fun knowing I had seen her naked. LOL. This is how I prefer spending my time and money. I returned home and my number #1 hit me late in the evening. She had a long day at work.
This is SubCmdr reminding all critical motherfuckers that they don't count. I'm a man in the arena. And because I live here motherfuckers, it's not a trip report it's a life report. Until next time, this is SubCmdr signing off!Great report!
I'm very experienced in Rio but new to DR. Have had alot of success off The Cupids. Latinamerican, brasil--in Brazil.
How are the non-pros in DR? Am speaking to a student who also works in a bank.
Are they keen to link with gringos? im pretty Young looking-about 30. Good looking. Speaks portuguese but understands spanish. She's 21 and im youthful 45. Thanks.Is it the norm there like brasil-with age discreptancy male-female and vice versa? best
Mr Enternational
09-07-16, 18:58
How are the non-pros in DR? Am speaking to a student who also works in a bank.Be careful. Does she work in a banco or a banca?
FuckAfMedDig
09-07-16, 20:27
Be careful. Does she work in a banco or a banca?Banca de loteria and studies civil engineering but can't afford the books anymore so will drop out.
They say those things all the time to get guys to send them money.
Banca de loteria and studies civil engineering but can't afford the books anymore so will drop out..
Great report!
I'm very experienced in Rio but new to DR. Have had alot of success off The Cupids. Latinamerican, brasil--in Brazil.
How are the non-pros in DR? Am speaking to a student who also works in a bank.
Are they keen to link with gringos? im pretty Young looking-about 30. Good looking. Speaks portuguese but understands spanish. She's 21 and im youthful 45. Thanks.Is it the norm there like brasil-with age discreptancy male-female and vice versa? bestBanca de Loteria is not a bank. You play lottery there. Age difference in Dominican Republic doesn't mean much. If you are 45 and decent looking, you can have any girl up from 18. If the girl doesn't have ID, she's probably less than legal age, so be careful. You can meet Dominicanas anywhere, in shopping malls, buses, in the street. Just start talking to them and you have a good chance taking them back to your hotel room. Just be careful with your money, because these girls are even more after your money than the Brazilian girls. They think that you have a printer in your hotel room, where you can print more dollar bills.
FuckAfMedDig
09-12-16, 22:00
Banca de Loteria is not a bank. You play lottery there. Age difference in Dominican Republic doesn't mean much. If you are 45 and decent looking, you can have any girl up from 18. If the girl doesn't have ID, she's probably less than legal age, so be careful. You can meet Dominicanas anywhere, in shopping malls, buses, in the street. Just start talking to them and you have a good chance taking them back to your hotel room. Just be careful with your money, because these girls are even more after your money than the Brazilian girls. They think that you have a printer in your hotel room, where you can print more dollar bills.Thank you. Also do you know if a student at their free university-autonomia do Santo Domingo which has chapters all over DR get their books and materials free-I know tuition is pretty much free at public universities. Or the they have to pay?
This obviously could be a useful, almost plausible scam line.
Appreciated.
Girl is from Francisco De Macoris and works and studies. From poor family.
Charles Pooter
09-12-16, 22:38
Also do you know if a student at their free university-autonomia do Santo Domingo which has chapters all over DR get their books and materials free. Or the they have to pay?
No, they have to buy them. It is another scam as they are always updating the required edition and they are incredibly expensive and poorly produced. The upside is the students share books, buy second-hand, and use older editions corrected in ballpoint as far as they can get away with it.
This obviously could be a useful, almost plausible scam line.
If You don't see her you'll never know. Most students even in the first world countries are short of money and a job in a banca de loteria is as good (or bad) as any other job. There are 60000 of them in DR and they are totally legal. Just stay away from WU and don't get involved in her problem solving. As you know, all the Latin women have a long list of problems.
Tempoecorto
09-13-16, 21:00
... and don't get involved in her problem solving. This is prudent advice. Just also remind your reader that by not "getting involved in her problem solving" E. G. , without giving the BFE, no chance of getting a GFE, as simple as that quid pro quo. Of course, it is fine for many.
Great report!
I'm very experienced in Rio but new to DR. Have had alot of success off The Cupids. Latinamerican, brasil--in Brazil.
How are the non-pros in DR? Am speaking to a student who also works in a bank.
Are they keen to link with gringos? im pretty Young looking-about 30. Good looking. Speaks portuguese but understands spanish. She's 21 and im youthful 45. Thanks.Is it the norm there like brasil-with age discreptancy male-female and vice versa? bestMr. FuckAfMedDig,
The non-pros in the Dominican Republic are lovely and plentiful. There are plenty of beautiful, young, hardworking women here that are not on the streets, or in the bars and "restaurants" slinging pussy for a living every night. This is the blog where we talk about them. You will not have a problem when it comes to age difference my man. The average age difference of my harem is 22.5 years younger than I am.
BFE gets you GFE. If it's true that the Sosua venue is in decline then bringing some language skill to the table and a bit of game will indeed have you cleaning up as I have been for almost the last two years of living here.
Join me. It pays to be a man in the arena!
This is prudent advice. Just also remind your reader that by not "getting involved in her problem solving" E. G. , without giving the BFE, no chance of getting a GFE, as simple as that quid pro quo. Of course, it is fine for many.Exactly. It is a miracle that older men can fairly easily get the opportunity in the DR to have something that approximates pretty closely to lovemaking with a lithe young under-25. But if that is not your bag, then go for whatever turns you on.
The advice to not get involved in their problems is prudent if your desire is simple to get your dick off. Which I might add is a perfectly reasonable goal. As a sexual tourist to the Dominican Republic you will find a plethora of young women here that provide that service at a reasonable price.
But if you are interested in something different, check out the posts by Mr. Oakie and I. We provide plenty of examples of how you can pursue a different type of experience. Men in the arena do not pay attention the the advice or suggestions of critics.
Chica wants / needs newest Iphone or Galaxy? What if she's out of money to pay a rent? Or maybe she needs a few thousand dollars to pay for University? Or what if her mother has a cancer and needs thousands or even dozens of thousands for medical bills?
This is prudent advice. Just also remind your reader that by not "getting involved in her problem solving" E. G. , without giving the BFE, no chance of getting a GFE, as simple as that quid pro quo. Of course, it is fine for many.
FuckAfMedDig
09-15-16, 11:35
Chica wants / needs newest Iphone or Galaxy? What if she's out of money to pay a rent? Or maybe she needs a few thousand dollars to pay for University? Or what if her mother has a cancer and needs thousands or even dozens of thousands for medical bills?Its true but you have to think what she would have done if she hadn't met you?- exactly. Carried on surviving or maybe tried to meet a new guy with "stability".
My one just asked reluctantly for some new shoes and dress for her cousin's graduation.
I haven't met her yet but will in October.
I said "love that's not my responsibility".
If I get down there and all is great and I dig her, I might help her with a few school books-in other words I would go with her to buy them.
Once you start indiscriminately shelling out, it won't stop because she needs and you're the nearest ATM. Even if she likes you.
Same with poor hot girls from Rio and rest of Brazil but in Rio theyre very forward with requests for help.
FuckAfMedDig
09-15-16, 11:54
Mr. FuckAfMedDig,
The non-pros in the Dominican Republic are lovely and plentiful. There are plenty of beautiful, young, hardworking women here that are not on the streets, or in the bars and "restaurants" slinging pussy for a living every night. This is the blog where we talk about them. You will not have a problem when it comes to age difference my man. The average age difference of my harem is 22.5 years younger than I am.
BFE gets you GFE. If it's true that the Sosua venue is in decline then bringing some language skill to the table and a bit of game will indeed have you cleaning up as I have been for almost the last two years of living here.
Join me. It pays to be a man in the arena!I agree-its sounds like Brazil on a smaller scale.
Many good=hearted non-pros to be had-in Br its Cupid etc. No one has ever asked me for money.
DR seems even more empoverished or maybe somewhere like Cupid in DR is an obvious place to try and connect with better off men in an easy environment.
Even the good-hearted girls need help if they come from nothing so its just a choice whether to get involved knee-deep or just help when it really matters to a degree.
To me theres a difference between wanting school books or an Iphone 7. I don't even have an Iphone 7!loool.
Tempoecorto
09-15-16, 13:12
Chica wants / needs newest Iphone or Galaxy? What if she's out of money to pay a rent? Or maybe she needs a few thousand dollars to pay for University? Or what if her mother has a cancer and needs thousands or even dozens of thousands for medical bills?Clearly the answer will depend on how badly you want her, and if you are only meeting people that want Iphone, most likely you are in the wrong neck of the woods. I have bought a iPhone but you want to separate the wheat from the chaff and then use your judgment based on how deep your pocket is and how desirable the object is (and most importantly if your objective is short or long term; Especially if you want to get into rent or medical bills). I have been at this for awhile but I know that I am not a white knight BUT no matter what, one can always treat the person with respect even when the answer is "no", that is where the BFE begins.
I agree-its sounds like Brazil on a smaller scale.
Many good=hearted non-pros to be had-in Br its Cupid etc. No one has ever asked me for money.
DR seems even more empoverished or maybe somewhere like Cupid in DR is an obvious place to try and connect with better off men in an easy environment.
Even the good-hearted girls need help if they come from nothing so its just a choice whether to get involved knee-deep or just help when it really matters to a degree.
To me theres a difference between wanting school books or an Iphone 7. I don't even have an Iphone 7!loool.Damn straight Mr. MedDog!
The guys on this board that can't tell or don't know the difference between a hard working young lady with a real job and those that are out there slanging pussy on the streets, bars and "restaurants" every night need to stay out of this part of the game and in their own lane. They need to stop getting twisted up. This part of the game requires judgement and independent thought. If they can't figure that out then they need to stay in the slow lane.
There is a difference between a chica wanting school books or money for their kids birthday party and a iPhone 7 request. A chica who asked me for a iPhone 7 gets cut, immediately! If I run into a situation that has me pondering, then I run it past my "cabinet of wise men" a group of other mongers who's advice experience and judgement I respect.
You have to know what things cost where and how that chica lives. If a chica is telling you they need 200 pesos for her taxi home and then you watch her get on her phone after she leaves and she gets on a moto, you may have reason to expect that her reputation for veracity is incomplete.
I have found that once you help a chica out, if you tell them no on another request it does not cause a problem. They know that if you helped them out before, you may help them out again later. Also you don't need to every provide assistance for more than they can expect from a Dominican male from their own station in life. Of course all of this takes knowledge developed from experience, time and language skills.
Men in the arena are a triple threat. Knock the bottom of it my man!
Chica wants / needs newest Iphone or Galaxy? What if she's out of money to pay a rent? Or maybe she needs a few thousand dollars to pay for University? Or what if her mother has a cancer and needs thousands or even dozens of thousands for medical bills?It would be unwise to pay out thousands of dollars for her to go to university unless you wanted to make a long term commitment to a relationship with her. After all it is not uncommon even in the US for one spouse to work to pay for the other to go to law school or medical school or something in the hope that the investment will pay off in the long term.
If a chica is asking for a newest model iPhone or Galaxy from the get-go, I would take that as a warning sign, because more than likely she would be looking to sell the device on or pawn it. If she just wants a smart phone to use for Whatsapp and Facebook, a much later model phone would do the job. For example you could get an unlocked Apple 5 C phone on Ebay for less than $150 that would meet her needs perfectly well, but if she demurred and insisted she wanted the latest model, I would pass her by to avoid future problems. (You could also get her a perfectly good smart phone of various brands for as little as $30.).
There are an almost infinite number of different levels of engagement from occasional weekends for recreational sex without commitments to parenting children together, so there are different levels of financial commitment. If you want the former, it is probably best to just be honest with her about what you want and you might be surprised how well it works out, but of course you will not get exclusivity.
If you have not yet met the woman and started a sexual relationship with her, but she seemed promising, you might send a small token down payment or present one time ahead of meeting her, but I would not go overboard on it--kind of like bringing a bunch of flowers to a first date to show sincerity, but cash rather than flowers.
As far as phones and stuff goes, there is a kind of opportunity cost factor in that in major countries like US and Canada you may be able to buy certain items that are very expensive in the DR for much less money in your country, so that the gift has a higher value for her than the cost to you, especially if she does not have a credit or debit card to make overseas purchases (which is the case for most chicas.) Something like a cheap smart phone combined with a Bluetooth speaker to play music would cost a lot more in the DR than what you would pay for it, or you might want to give her your old phone and speaker and get a new one for yourself.
Low tech is high tech when you have no tech. And it's always the thought behind the gift that counts much more than the gift!
If a chica is asking for a newest model iPhone or Galaxy from the get-go, I would take that as a warning sign, because more than likely she would be looking to sell the device on or pawn it. If she just wants a smart phone to use for Whatsapp and Facebook, a much later model phone would do the job. For example you could get an unlocked Apple 5 C phone on Ebay for less than $150 that would meet her needs perfectly well, but if she demurred and insisted she wanted the latest model, I would pass her by to avoid future problems. (You could also get her a perfectly good smart phone of various brands for as little as $30.).
The more hard core girls are will insist on the Samsung and I phones. In truth DR chicas are very geared toward brand names. As in the US the poorest people want the most expensive things. The status of having one of items can not ne appreciated by us first world mongers.
Low tech is high tech when you have no tech. And it's always the thought behind the gift that counts much more than the gift!
The more hard core girls are will insist on the Samsung and I phones. In truth DR chicas are very geared toward brand names. As in the US the poorest people want the most expensive things. The status of having one of items can not ne appreciated by us first world mongers.That is why you want to avoid the ones who are asking for an iPhone 7 or similar.
Yes, Dominicans are geared towards brand names, but in many cases it is just because those are the only products they have heard of, which is why they will tend to buy heavily advertised brands like Carnation condensed milk, Colgate toothpaste, Kelloggs cornflakes, and Pampers [CodeWord131] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131) even though there are equivalent cheaper local brands available for half the price. Actually you could also say the same about Americans.
Low tech is high tech when you have no tech. And it's always the thought behind the gift that counts much more than the gift!I don't know if you still can, but as recently as a few months ago you could buy the Lumia 640 Windows phone in Best Buy for $29.99 and that is a phone with 5-inch display, 4 G LTE connectivity and an 8-megapixel camera and a micro SD card slot.
Tempoecorto
09-16-16, 03:13
Yes, Dominicans are geared towards brand names, but in many cases it is just because those are the only products they have heard of, which is why they will tend to buy heavily advertised brands like Carnation condensed milk, Colgate toothpaste, Kelloggs cornflakes, and Pampers even though there are equivalent cheaper local brands available for half the price. Actually you could also say the same about Americans.Once a girl from the DR asked me to bring "Chiclets". I do not chew gums and so I thought she was specific about the brand. Only when I took some to her, I realized that "Chiclets" is a generic world for them for gums, just like you mentioned: "pampers".
Older folks everywhere are brand neutral, focusing more on functionality. We can see through the trick of marketing played my Madison Ave. Young people (as much as in this country as anywhere else) are too taken by the game of "one up-manship" - which is why you see queues in front of Apple store through the night. WTF?
Low tech is high tech when you have no tech. And it's always the thought behind the gift that counts much more than the gift!When I was kid I didn't realize I was poor until I got into college and started hanging out with people who were really rich. In my family, the concept of the "hand-me-down" ran deep. Dad or Mother got the nicest things and when they replaced something then it came to me or my brother. Now the concept of the "hand-me-down" is something that I have introduced to my Chias. I tell them straight up that when they have worked and saved for the last 30 years then they can have what I have.
The first phone I ever bought a chica was a $30 BLU purchased during a Black Friday sale at Fry's. It was truly a piece of junk. But she was ecstatic to receive it and used that phone until it literally fell apart in her hands. The next phone I got her was a used iPhone 4 8 GB. She was jumping up and down about that one and is still using it to this day. It was having some problems so I bought her a BLU Studio something for $70. She used it for a while and then decided that her iPhone 4 was better so she gave the BLU to her sister that did not have a smartphone. Her sister was very appreciative to receive it and my chica told her that I bought it for her from the US. Thereby earning both her and I some family cred and goodwill. For my chica's birthday I have bought her a refurbished iPhone 4's 16 GB which was the best brand / type / model of phone I have ever owned in my life. She is going to be static. And I am moving her up the tech curve.
Your chica has asked you for a iPhone 7? Do it Dominican male style. Promise her the world and only deliver your cum. Sure baby, bend over and play with mine while I fuck you in the ass and I'll get you one.
Uh huh, LOL!
FuckAfMedDig
09-17-16, 20:45
When I was kid I didn't realize I was poor until I got into college and started hanging out with people who were really rich. In my family, the concept of the "hand-me-down" ran deep. Dad or Mother got the nicest things and when they replaced something then it came to me or my brother. Now the concept of the "hand-me-down" is something that I have introduced to my Chias. I tell them straight up that when they have worked and saved for the last 30 years then they can have what I have.
The first phone I ever bought a chica was a $30 BLU purchased during a Black Friday sale at Fry's. It was truly a piece of junk. But she was ecstatic to receive it and used that phone until it literally fell apart in her hands. The next phone I got her was a used iPhone 4 8 GB. She was jumping up and down about that one and is still using it to this day. It was having some problems so I bought her a BLU Studio something for $70. She used it for a while and then decided that her iPhone 4 was better so she gave the BLU to her sister that did not have a smartphone. Her sister was very appreciative to receive it and my chica told her that I bought it for her from the US. Thereby earning both her and I some family cred and goodwill. For my chica's birthday I have bought her a refurbished iPhone 4's 16 GB which was the best brand / type / model of phone I have ever owned in my life. She is going to be static. And I am moving her up the tech curve.
Your chica has asked you for a iPhone 7? Do it Dominican male style. Promise her the world and only deliver your cum. Sure baby, bend over and play with mine while I fuck you in the ass and I'll get you one.
Uh huh, LOL!Lool I'm stocking up on used Iphone 4's here in Uk cause theyre dirt cheap. Like 50 $. Presents for my girls in Brazil who don't even have a phone and maybe a few in DR.
Hey man what would be the best way to go from Santiago or Sn Francisco de macoris to SD? I have never travelled there. Trying so hang w a few I've set up if I fly into Santiago then to San Francisco then to SD. And fly back to NY.
I don't drive.
What would be some options -you the expert man!
Mr Enternational
09-17-16, 21:22
Hey man what would be the best way to go from Santiago or Sn Francisco de macoris to SD? I have never travelled there. Trying so hang w a few I've set up if I fly into Santiago then to San Francisco then to SD. And fly back to NY.
I don't drive.Since you don't drive then you should have the chick come see you in Santo Domingo or Santiago or you could be in for hella disappointment and / or a bunch of wasted time.
FuckAfMedDig
09-17-16, 23:19
Since you don't drive then you should have the chick come see you in Santo Domingo or Santiago or you could be in for hella disappointment and / or a bunch of wasted time.Yes in SD one of them is comin to see me-landin in Santiago but have a few in Francisco I want to see who can't come to santiago due to university. How would I best get from somewhere like Francisco de Macoris to SD in your expert opinion?
Hire someone to drive?
Mr Enternational
09-17-16, 23:26
Yes in SD one of them is comin to see me-landin in Santiago but have a few in Francisco I want to see who can't come to santiago due to university. How would I best get from somewhere like Francisco de Macoris to SD in your expert opinion?
Hire someone to drive?No idea since I drive. But the flake out percentage is high in that area and there is not shit to do there. That is why I say it is best to have them take the bus to you in one of the major cities. You are probably looking at $80-$100 to have someone drive you there. Also I am not aware of any hotels in the area. I have been to cabanas (sex motels) on the outskirts though.
Once a girl from the DR asked me to bring "Chiclets". I do not chew gums and so I thought she was specific about the brand. Gum in Spanish = 'chicle' so she was probably saying 'chicles.'
Tempoecorto
09-18-16, 03:12
Gum in Spanish = 'chicle' so she was probably saying 'chicles.'It is entirely possible but on phone it sounded like Chiclets. Also because that is a brand I have seen. I know nothing about gums in English, let alone Spanish.
I don't have a car. Can you please buy me a Porsche or Lexus. That's how it sounds when someone asks for the latest iPhone or Galaxy. If you don't see the signs then she has the right fool.
Mr Enternational
09-18-16, 16:51
It is entirely possible but on phone it sounded like Chiclets. Also because that is a brand I have seen. I know nothing about gums in English, let alone Spanish.LOL. That is because she did say chiclet. DH is giving you the formal word. But nobody goes around saying chicle. Most people use the diminutive chiclet when refering to chewing gum. Pay attention to the root. If a chick told you that she was in her casita (instead of casa) then you would know she was simply saying she was at home.
Mr Enternational
09-18-16, 17:02
I don't have a car. Can you please buy me a Porsche or Lexus. That's how it sounds when someone asks for the latest iPhone or Galaxy. If you don't see the signs then she has the right fool.Well you are a better man than me. Because I don't hear shit when someone asks for something like that. Dudes too scared to lose out on some pussy. In Thailand I used to mess around with a Filipino chick who was married to a European guy. They had a tight crib with a pool. She drove a big ass Toyota SUV. And she had what appeared to be a new phone. Do you know this bih going to ask me to buy her a new phone? I'm the side guy; I don't have that type of responsibility. Needless to say, the day she asked for that phone was the last day that we ever spoke. Bih was fine, pussy was good, and she treated me like a king. She even had a cookout for my mom and aunts at her house when her husband was out of town. But bih I'm not about to buy your ass a phone.
No idea since I drive. But the flake out percentage is high in that area and there is not shit to do there. That is why I say it is best to have them take the bus to you in one of the major cities. You are probably looking at $80-$100 to have someone drive you there. Also I am not aware of any hotels in the area. I have been to cabanas (sex motels) on the outskirts though.There is Caribe Tours bus service from Santo Domingo to San Francisco de Macoris every hour. Western Union $50 to me and I will send you a free ticket. There is also at least one hotel there Hotel Las Caobas, but it is not close to downtown. The last bus back to Santo Domingo leaves at 6:30 pm.
Tempoecorto
09-18-16, 21:16
landin in Santiago but have a few in Francisco I want to see who can't come to santiago due to university. How would I best get from somewhere like Francisco de Macoris to SD?Often by sending a small amount, say 500 pesos as passage money, you are establishing your credibility and making an offer that is hard for them to refuse including "university" girls. Also, you have hometown advantage if they are visiting you and like Mr Enternational states, less risk of flaking not to speak of your wasted travel time. Of course, there is a risk that some may flake despite the money and I have had such things happen to me. Personally I visited that city (3rd largest if I recall) as I had a couple of contacts there and stayed at a hotel in the center. Hotel Libano?
Also check when they say San Francisco, if it is indeed that or other towns close by, like Pimentel, in which case, two sets of buses are required. Actually three, scooter to the first bus that brings you to San Francisco and then another change to Santiago. Easily about a 2-3 hour's jaunt. However, it is entirely possible to do it, I. E. , back and forth the same day.
Re going to SD from there, you would need to check Caribe Tours' website. They have a service from Nagua that passes through Pimentel if I recall, on its way to SD. This means you will have to also find where Pimentel is and get a bus / cab to get to the bus terminus, from San Francisco which is about a 15-20 minutes ride. The alternative is to return to Santiago and catch another bus.
In terms of getting a driver, I have no clue either as I rent a car.
Good luck!
FuckAfMedDig
09-18-16, 21:29
There is Caribe Tours bus service from Santo Domingo to San Francisco de Macoris every hour. Western Union $50 to me and I will send you a free ticket. There is also at least one hotel there Hotel Las Caobas, but it is not close to downtown. The last bus back to Santo Domingo leaves at 6:30 pm.Thanks man. How long us that bus ride BTW? 3/4 hours?
Whats a GF friendly hotel in SD that's good quality as well?
Also do hotels have issues w girls coming up daytime who don't stay over? Non-pros etc.
Sorry-I'm only a Rio expert -not DR at all.
Thanks again gents.
Tempoecorto
09-18-16, 21:31
LOL. That is because she did say chiclet. DH is giving you the formal word. But nobody goes around saying chicle. Most people use the diminutive chiclet when refering to chewing gum. It is curious because the French uses "chewing gum" or gum albeit with their accent and the Italians say, "gomma the masticare" or "chingomma" while the Spaniards took the brand name and made a word out of it.
FuckAfMedDig
09-19-16, 22:29
Often by sending a small amount, say 500 pesos as passage money, you are establishing your credibility and making an offer that is hard for them to refuse including "university" girls. Also, you have hometown advantage if they are visiting you and like Mr Enternational states, less risk of flaking not to speak of your wasted travel time. Of course, there is a risk that some may flake despite the money and I have had such things happen to me. Personally I visited that city (3rd largest if I recall) as I had a couple of contacts there and stayed at a hotel in the center. Hotel Libano?
Also check when they say San Francisco, if it is indeed that or other towns close by, like Pimentel, in which case, two sets of buses are required. Actually three, scooter to the first bus that brings you to San Francisco and then another change to Santiago. Easily about a 2-3 hour's jaunt. However, it is entirely possible to do it, I. E. , back and forth the same day.
Re going to SD from there, you would need to check Caribe Tours' website. They have a service from Nagua that passes through Pimentel if I recall, on its way to SD. This means you will have to also find where Pimentel is and get a bus / cab to get to the bus terminus, from San Francisco which is about a 15-20 minutes ride. The alternative is to return to Santiago and catch another bus.
In terms of getting a driver, I have no clue either as I rent a car.
Thanks for advice!
Good luck!Thanks again.
I will ship one to Punta Cana when I'm there. Some passage money. Back and forth everyday for sure. How are hotels with day time guests by the way?
San Francisco one is pickin me up in Santiago airport so shd be ok. But for sure will check out which particluar city she's in. Also if I'm going to Punta Cana or from Punta Cana might be easier to fly to Santiago? And back from Santiago to Punta Cana if I'm flying back to Europe from there. Anyone tried domestic flights?
Tempoecorto
09-19-16, 23:19
I will ship one to Punta Cana when I'm there. Some passage money. Back and forth everyday for sure. How are hotels with day time guests by the way?
San Francisco one is pickin me up in Santiago airport so shd be ok. But for sure will check out which particluar city she's in. Also if I'm going to Punta Cana or from Punta Cana might be easier to fly to Santiago? And back from Santiago to Punta Cana if I'm flying back to Europe from there. Anyone tried domestic flights?No one can give you a standard answer on hotel guest policy. Some may allow, others not and some others might need ID etc. The all-inclusive resort in places like Punta Cana is a whole different animal, I am given to understand but I have no personal experience there. The short term motels, known as cabanas might do the trick should you run into trouble. In any case, you had better read some of the material written here.
I would never allow anyone pick me up at an airport. When and how I come in and go out is not information that I share, typically, certainly not with someone I have never met.
I have no idea about internal flights. I rent a car.
Have fun!
LOL. That is because she did say chiclet. DH is giving you the formal word. But nobody goes around saying chicle. Most people use the diminutive chiclet when refering to chewing gum. Pay attention to the root. If a chick told you that she was in her casita (instead of casa) then you would know she was simply saying she was at home.Umm well I hate to tell you, but the diminutive of a noun that ends in "e" is -cito / a, so it would be 'chiclecito. ' I promise you I've been to more Spanish-speaking countries than you have been to, and 'chicle' for gum is quite universal.
the Spaniards took the brand name and made a word out of it.I hope you don't seriously think that. It was completely the other way around. The brand name comes from the French and Spanish words. But in any case, chewing gum is considered 'muy común' in most Spanish-speaking countries.
Mr Enternational
09-20-16, 00:42
Umm well I hate to tell you, but the diminutive of a noun that ends in "e" is -cito / a, so it would be 'chiclecito. ' I promise you I've been to more Spanish-speaking countries than you have been to, and 'chicle' for gum is quite universal.Educate me brother. The only Spanish speaking countries that I have not been to are Honduras, Bolivia, Paraguay and the Canary Islands. I am in no way claiming to be an expert in Spanish either way. I do have a degree in French and was a high school French teacher though.
Tempoecorto
09-20-16, 00:45
I hope you don't seriously think that. It was completely the other way around. The brand name comes from the French and Spanish words. But in any case, chewing gum is considered 'muy comn' in most Spanish-speaking countries.This is what Wikipedia states: "The product's name is derived from Nahuatl word tziktli, in Spanish chicle, the substance from which chewing gum was traditionally and still is made. " I certainly did not know.
Thank you.
Educate me brother. The only Spanish speaking countries that I have not been to are Honduras, Bolivia, Paraguay and the Canary Islands. I am in no way claiming to be an expert in Spanish either way. I do have a degree in French and was a high school French teacher though.Well, the Canary Islands are not a country. They are part of Spain. So assuming you have been to Equatorial Guinea, we might be tied. Been there?
Anybody who really loves pussy has to go to Paraguay. That is the best pussy on the planet. However, it is best experienced out of its native environment because other than pussy, Paraguay sucks. I strongly encourage all mongers to seek out paraguayas in places like Spain and Argentina. I've even found them in Amsterdam.
Mr Enternational
09-20-16, 01:14
Anybody who really loves pussy has to go to Paraguay. That is the best pussy on the planet.I hit one in Troc in Lima. No complaints from me!
I don't know if you still can, but as recently as a few months ago you could buy the Lumia 640 Windows phone in Best Buy for $29.99 and that is a phone with 5-inch display, 4 G LTE connectivity and an 8-megapixel camera and a micro SD card slot.Yes you still can. And although the description you provided of the phone is accurate, it comes with a windows operating system and is not a unlocked phone. IMO a phone that requires a carrier plan before they will unlock it for you is not the optimal purchase to make for anyone that does not live in the USA.
Everybody get your hands up. It's a mother fucking thread jack!
Simple answer before I take everything in. The basic premise of relationship or arrangement between a man and a woman is consensual and it is mutual (use). Nothing wrong with that. The complexity of such things is when deception and unwanted imbalances is introduced, and occurs in those relationships / arrangements (by either party or both concurrently).Mr. WRX,
Let's start with simple definitions. I see an arrangement as no more than different type of relationship (I. E. Business relationship, friendship, competitor). And I now have a better understanding of how you are using the word USE (my question was intended to be rhetorical and was written in jest). I see that USE can be both mutual and desired. But is it really that hard to remember that if I'm nothing more than a walking ATM, then they are nothing more than cum depositories? For me personally, no! I have no problem remembering what Slick Rick had to say about the matter. And I'm quite comfortable with that type of relationship and all other types (presuming of course they lead to sex and my CPO stays within my targeted range).
Now, it is the rare relationship that starts with both parties on an equal footing. (And yes I know you are a stickler for precise language. I read what you wrote. Continue to read on). Often times imbalance precipitates the initiation of the relationship in the first place. Mere circumstance can precipitate "unwanted imbalances" and by its very nature any "arrangement" is by it's very nature deceptive. In fact deception is required and demanded. GFE: when when the individual damn well knows she is not your fucking girlfriend and you have no intention on being her fucking boyfriend but the expectation or demand is that her performance is good enough to trick the higher brain functions into believing that is the case. I am uncertain how anyone who says they got it can deny that they were deceived or that they simply chose to be deceived in order to achieve the experience. The only way that that type of interaction could happen without deception is if GFE is defined in terms of specific behaviors.
It is also rare that a certain amount of deception does not creep into every relationship. I look at it like a machine where the specs on how the parts go together change over time but still remain in tolerance for successful operation. When they get out of tolerance catastrophic failure occurs. In an airplane that situation can test the skill of any aviator. If you find yourself in that situation and you run out of altitude before your skill allows you to land safely, it can often be fatal. But if that occurs in a well constructed arrangement or relationship, it should simply be a matter of sticking your head out the door and yelling "next".
The idea of added complexity to me seems like a given as the parties in relationships are not machines and that is exactly what makes the relationships we enter into interesting in the first place. Or maybe not. As the raging debate that seems to be on going about mongering techniques seems to illustrate.
Yes you still can. And although the description you provided of the phone is accurate, it comes with a windows operating system and is not a unlocked phone. IMO a phone that requires a carrier plan before they will unlock it for you is not the optimal purchase to make for anyone that does not live in the USA.You can get them unlocked free of charge if you are not a customer of Cricket or ATT and do not attempt to use the SIM provided with the phone (just take it out immediately). Yes, it is Windows operating system, which does not have Snapchat and one or two other apps, but all the same it is a phone at least equal to or better than the iPhone 4 for about $30, which is something to think about considering phones with similar capability have been bought by millions of people for $600 upwards within the last few years. Can be used for Whatsapp, Skype, Facebook, e-mail, texting, phone calls, navigation, Internet browsing, photography, music, Amazon, Spotify, etc.
Everybody get your hands up. It's a mother fucking thread jack!
Mr. WRX,
Let's start with simple definitions. I see an arrangement as no more than different type of relationship (I. E. Business relationship, friendship, competitor). And I now have a better understanding of how you are using the word USE (my question was intended to be rhetorical and was written in jest). I see that USE can be both mutual and desired.And I can see USE as mutual too. But I also know certain aspects of mutual USE may be or can be UNdesirable as well as desired.
But is it really that hard to remember that if I'm nothing more than a walking ATM, then they are nothing more than cum depositories? For me personally, no! I have no problem remembering what Slick Rick had to say about the matter. And I'm quite comfortable with that type of relationship and all other types (presuming of course they lead to sex and my CPO stays within my targeted range).Understood in what's applicable to you. For other folks they may have their own interests, motivations within their relationships / arrangements. It might resemble yours to a certain degree, or may differ in other aspects.
Now, it is the rare relationship that starts with both parties on an equal footing. (And yes I know you are a stickler for precise language. I read what you wrote. Continue to read on). Often times imbalance precipitates the initiation of the relationship in the first place. Mere circumstance can precipitate "unwanted imbalances" and by its very nature any "arrangement" is by it's very nature deceptive.Sounds reasonable to me up to the point before, "Mere circumstance can precipitate "unwanted imbalances" and by its very nature any "arrangement" is by it's very nature deceptive. In fact deception is required and demanded. ".
The thing though, I'm not simply a stickler when it comes to language. I pay attention to and apply CONTEXT and APPLICATION to information. By doing that, I try to see where something may be true in a certain context or application, and also where it may not be true or applicable in a different context or situation. I don't pay attention to only conclusions that are made, but also the foundation and criteria that is being used to support those conclusions. Your statement IMO is mainly applicable to a situation or situations that fit the criteria. In which you provide an example, that fits (further down in your post). Alone, without prequalifiers that general conclusion / statement may not exactly be valid in every relationship / arrangement.
Like, if we were to apply your statement to a different type of relationship / arrangement, it may not be applicable. For instance, a different mutual use relationship / arrangement. A boss and the bosses employee. (you can substitute man and woman if you choose to) That relationship can be considered something that does not start off on equal footing, right?. And yes there is an imbalance that initiates their relationship in the 1st place, Right?. In addition, mere circumstance during the course of their interaction can precipitate unwanted imbalances between them as well. But none of that means their arrangement is deceptive by it's very nature. And I will submit, unless I know the specifics of any particular relationship / arrangement (business or otherwise), including one between a man and a woman having sex, I can't conclude that the very nature of their arrangement is necessarily deceptive. Or that deception is required and demanded in that relationship/arrangement.
Just as we can come up with examples supporting what you said, I'm sure we can come up with examples of a relationships between a man and a woman where the arrangement is not by it's very nature deceptive. Here's one. My neighbor downstairs hired a chica to be his housekeeper, and his fuck buddy. He explained to her how much and when she was to get paid. She agreed to the arrangement. There were no specifics regarding when sex was to take place. I'm sure they "worked it out" on their own. So far, we have 2 mutually consenting adults on unequal footing, starting off imbalanced, and as far as I can surmise, mere circumstance may present some unwanted imbalances. Like perhaps she may not clean as well as he likes. Or maybe he fucks her too hard. Now here we have a relationship / arrangement which I think has all of the elements weve been talking about, but there is no deception (by the very nature of their arrangement) going on. So that's 2 different examples that may not apply to situations where there may be unwanted imbalances etc in that arrangement, but deception is not necessarily a variable involved.
My point is, anything can be relevant and valid if the critera supports the conclusion one is making. But when the criteria doesn't fit or certain variables are not there, then one should see a particular conclusion may not be applicable. Of course one can bypass knowing the details and decide to assume (often wrongly) whats going on. Which is often what a lot of folks do on the regular. Another way to put it.. The relationship or sex going on between a man and a woman does not inherently mean deception will be there or demanded. IE, guy goes to Blackbeards to see a particular chick there he likes to bang. He fucks her, pays his money, and goes back home to his wife. Unless I know specifics, there is nothing deceptive by the very nature of that business arrangement or demanded. Its just two consenting adults mutually using each other. Now what he tells his wife on the other hand, thats another story. Or whatever his wife tells him of what she was doing why he was away.
GFE: when when the individual damn well knows she is not your fucking girlfriend and you have no intention on being her fucking boyfriend but the expectation or demand is that her performance is good enough to trick the higher brain functions into believing that is the case. I am uncertain how anyone who says they got it can deny that they were deceived or that they simply chose to be deceived in order to achieve the experience. The only way that that type of interaction could happen without deception is if GFE is defined in terms of specific behaviors.This example matches your premise. The thing I was trying to emphasize is that the behavior of both parties may define the arrangement and it's course. If you have two parties not even operating on that level of GFE, pretend GF etc, and it's just business, there may not be any innate deception.
We know from experience that certain behavior between men and women, there can be deception. What I'm pointing out though, is that there can be relationships / arrangements between two parties where there is no deception by it's very nature or a demand for it. If a man has a 3 some and pays each what is agreed on, does that mean deception was involved just by the nature of their relationship / arrangement? NO, not necessarily. Mind you I'm not saying deception can't occur at all, I'm just saying deception is not necessarily something that happens by the nature of their arrangement / relationship. The example you provided I can see the application within that context. But not in a general business arrangement/relationship.
It is also rare that a certain amount of deception does not creep into every relationship.Given the criteria that fits, I can agree with that. Where it is not applicable I just don't apply it. Lying/deception is something folks do even if it has no impact for or against the association / arrangement / relationship. So the question can be, how much impact does any deception going on have on the relationship or either party? Can there be deception that has zero impact one way or the other? IMO, yes. So we know deception is practiced. Question though? Does it cause conflict in every instance? Not always. Some deception is acceptable, even tolerable.
The idea of added complexity to me seems like a given as the parties in relationships are not machines and that is exactly what makes the relationships we enter into interesting in the first place. Or maybe not. As the raging debate that seems to be on going about mongering techniques seems to illustrate.Yes, interesting is one aspect of outcome one may experience. In addition, frustration, boredom, excitement and the list is endless are just a few others.
I have a buddy, and an ex co worker that used to do this. They would ask people questions. And then they would give you their multiple choice answers. The irony with that, is that very often there were more choices than the ones they gave you to pick from. I've laughed at them internally many times, and outwardly shared with them; . Why don't you just ask me the question, and let me choose my own answers or give my own perspective? Especially since my answer may be more thorough.
This kinda reminds me of our discussion on the sharing of information, giving and receiving advice. What I've noticed, is that very often folks have a script, a perspective. And when they relate to others they operate from their script, and they kinda expect others to follow suit. But when the individuals they relate to end up having a totally different perspective, or approach it is difficult for some to include that other persons perspective as being relevant and valid in a different context or situation.
So folks that are like that only see things from their vantage point, and when it comes to other people, they have an indifference or disconnect when it comes to others operating differently or having their own perspective. In fact, in some instances they may not even care to know the other persons perspective deep down. And because they do not ask for feedback, or if they do ask, they still work from their script for others to follow. They never get to know the interest, motivations or passions of another. And that's why a person like that may ask a question and offer their multiple choice answers instead of just allowing the person to explain how they see it.
One reason may be, the person offering answers has a hard time accepting a perspective that doesn't jive with their own. If you have ever observed some of my rough back and forth exchanges with a few people on this board, then you might know what I'm talking about. 2 in particular always had a habit of trying to reinterpret wrongly the context of my posts, falsely assign how I supposedly felt, and then argue with me based on the contrived information that they created. Its like they invented their own adversary and I was used as a representative. So I ended up going back and forth with them. Some people paid attention to the battle, but not how it started. And why should they? It wasnt happening to them. I guess, no I know I enjoyed it. It was entertainment.
The two guys I mentioned, my ex co worker and my buddy? It was funny the look they had on their faces when I didn't accept the choices they offered, but had my own choices. They had that deer in the headlights look. They even seemed frustrated with me, like I was being difficult or not playing fair. If I'm a stickler for something, I guess you can say I do not allow anyone to assign my feelings or perspective to me. If you want to know how I feel, then let me express myself. If my perspective does not follow the script one has for me, then so be it. Thats their problem, not mine. If I tell them that's not my POV, and they turn it around and act like I have a problem, there will be a problem.
I want to be understood and I am willing to include and accept the other parties perspective for understanding. But when it becomes a challenge instead of for seeking mutual understanding, I want no parts of that. When two parties can articulate each others perspective correctly, and accept it, then a better understanding and relationship can emerge. You wanna measure whether or not someone really understands your POV or is really listening? Ask them to repeat back what they understood of what you said, and you do the same. People usually find out right then and there, that the other person really has no clue what your POV is.
They have their own interpretation which doesnt match yours. Thats because they are working from their script , concentrating on making the communication a challenge rather than seeking mutual understanding. Asking for feedback can help correct misinterpretations and misunderstandings. If that were their MO. Often that isnt their goal. BTW what I just shared has nothing to do with our exchange. I just thought it would be interesting to share and add clarity in how I perceive some aspects of communication.
You can get them unlocked free of charge if you are not a customer of Cricket or ATT and do not attempt to use the SIM provided with the phone (just take it out immediately). Yes, it is Windows operating system, which does not have Snapchat and one or two other apps, but all the same it is a phone at least equal to or better than the iPhone 4 for about $30, which is something to think about considering phones with similar capability have been bought by millions of people for $600 upwards within the last few years. Can be used for Whatsapp, Skype, Facebook, e-mail, texting, phone calls, navigation, Internet browsing, photography, music, Amazon, Spotify, etc.Mr. Frannie,
Are you actually speaking from experience of using the phone yourself or having given it as a gift and received feedback on it's qualities? Are your statements simply based on your personal opinions or reviewing stats on paper? Have you actually owned a iPhone 4 (the one that you are comparing it too)?
Mr. Frannie,
Are you actually speaking from experience of using the phone yourself or having given it as a gift and received feedback on it's qualities? Are your statements simply based on your personal opinions or reviewing stats on paper? Have you actually owned a iPhone 4 (the one that you are comparing it too)?Yes, I have owned more than one of the phones, unlocked them free of charge, given them as gifts, owned an iPhone 5, which was about equal except in battery life where the Lumia 640 was much better. Also in my opinion better as you can add as much memory as you like with an SD card for very little money. How about you?
Manizales911
10-22-16, 18:36
Mr. Frannie,
Are you actually speaking from experience of using the phone yourself or having given it as a gift and received feedback on it's qualities? Are your statements simply based on your personal opinions or reviewing stats on paper? Have you actually owned a iPhone 4 (the one that you are comparing it too)?I bought one of the Lumia phones based on Frannie's suggestion, I bought it two years ago unlocked on Ebay for something like $50. I think and it has worked flawlessly for me in the DR and Colombia. I was impressed enough that I bought a second one this year but a newer model. I also own a $700. Factory unlocked Iphone 6's but am perfectly happy using the Lumia phones and the Windows operating system.
Court is in session. The Honorable Grand Jefe is presiding. The question before the court today is: "Can a $30 phone really be as good as phones costing over 20 times as much?
The written arguments have been previously presented to the court.
There is no way you would be able to pass one of those cheap ass old phones on a Brazilian that guys say they are giving to Dominicans. They are much too sophisticated for that.Well that is some good information to have. I guess if you are the type of guy that likes to rock the thrift shop chic Macklemore style: "I'm going to pop some tags. Only got twenty dollars in my pocket". Then you are dead on. Functionality aside that makes a lot of sense to me especially since a phone is much more than just a communication device. OK, I will stipulate that they work great but do they make great gifts? The definitive answer to that question is "it depends".
But then again I think Macklemore makes another good argument that is supported by comments from other posters.
"They be like, "Oh, that Gucci. That's hella tight. ". I'm like, "Yo. That's fifty dollars for a T-shirt. ". Limited edition, let's do some simple addition. Fifty dollars for a T-shirt. That's just some ignorant * (shit). I call that getting swindled and pimped (shit). I call that getting tricked by a business. That shirt's hella dough. And having the same one as six other people in this club is a hella don't. Peep game, come take a look through my telescope. Tryna get girls from a brand? Man you hella won't. Man you hella won't".
but all the same it is a phone at least equal to or better than the iPhone 4 for about $30, which is something to think about considering phones with similar capability have been bought by millions of people for $600 upwards within the last few years.
I was impressed enough that I bought a second one this year but a newer model. I also own a $700. Factory unlocked Iphone 6's but am perfectly happy using the Lumia phones and the Windows operating system.Certainly something to think about.
Court is adjourned. All rise!
Anybody who really loves pussy has to go to Paraguay. That is the best pussy on the planet. However, it is best experienced out of its native environment because other than pussy, Paraguay sucks. I strongly encourage all mongers to seek out paraguayas in places like Spain and Argentina. I've even found them in Amsterdam.Buenos Aires is great place to find beautiful Paraguayanas, without going to Paraguay. Agree that You may get the best GFE from these girls.
We got to Terra Linda at 10:38 and the guy said the kitchen was closed. Well what time do you close? 11 pm. So how the hell is the kitchen closed? Dominican logic. We went to NY Pizza and they were not going to make anything else either. The girl said that because of the early closing time of the bars, they close early too.After spending some time in the Dominican Republic, I returned to my country of origin. One of the most interesting things for me has been observing the difference in the way things get done in the Dominican Republic and my country of origin: Untied States of America. My base operations is: Las Vegas.
One night I went to a Church's chicken and ordered some chicken strips. I was told they were closed. I asked what time did the close. They say 9:30 PM. It was 9:25 PM. I inquired what was the deal and was told the cook turned of the fryers early and they could not prepare more chicken. I was provided with apologies and then it was let's make a deal. He began to offer chicken as bargain prices. Without going through the details of the negotiation I wound up leaving the place with 10 pieces of chicken three sides and some biscuits for about a $2. 00 more than I was going to pay for my original strip meal.
Least you think that it was a one off occasion. I return again a couple of weeks later. This time calling myself smart by arriving a 9:00 PM. This time my chicken strip dinner was available but no biscuits. Substituted two apple pies for my biscuit. Figured as long as I didn't get both apple pies probable wind up with the same damage to my metabolic system.
I have a friend who works for a quick serve restaurant. He a friend that works for a quick serve restaurant right next door. It was about thirty minutes before closing when my friend was there. His friend said watch this. His friend announced via the loud speaker that they could only take cash as the credit card machine had gone down. My friend was confused and asked how can you keep operating if that happens. He explained that the computer system in his restaurant was unified cash and credit. He friend explained to him that theirs were also. He said that they do this when they want to be able to close on time. And they both watched as about half the cars waiting to order backed out of the line and left.
Another night my friend, now being hip to the work avoidance moves of poorly supervised staff, was in his usual Denny's for take out order. He was told that he would not be able to place an order because they did not have any take out boxes available to pack his meal. He told them that was an excellent way to avoid work. The hostess stuttered and stammered until he laughed and decided to go another location.
Dominican Logic? I think not.
Mr Enternational
10-26-16, 18:14
Untied States of America. My base operations is: Las Vegas.
One night I went to a Church's chicken and ordered some chicken strips. I was told they were closed. I asked what time did the close. They say 9:30 PM. It was 9:25 PM. I inquired what was the deal and was told the cook turned of the fryers early and they could not prepare more chicken. I was provided with apologies and then it was let's make a deal. He began to offer chicken as bargain prices. Without going through the details of the negotiation I wound up leaving the place with 10 pieces of chicken three sides and some biscuits for about a $2. 00 more than I was going to pay for my original strip meal.Same shit happened to me at Church's in Atlanta. They didn't have what I wanted because they were closing. Dude gave me a bunch of other shit that was left and said just give me $2.
This is a thread to discuss the named topics and share my adventures here in the Dominican Republic (DR). A catch all place for things that just don't fit into the action packed threads of the different cities that are focused solely on the pro action. Cultural observations, philosophy, economics, game, chica psychology, negotiation, and anything else that leads to getting the panties on the floor action (POF) that we are all looking for.
When I post and use the term arrangement I'm using it in reference to Sugar Baby / Sugar Daddy arrangements or any other transaction sexual arrangements between a male and female. There is a huge quantity of information previously posted where the discussions are focused on that issue. I didn't think I needed to explain that given the name and nature of this forum.
My last trip to Sosua was before it's style and structure was somewhat modified by the controlling legal / political entities that are currently in place. I wrote about my adventures with a chapiadora. A review of that post will reveal that particular arrangement fit my modified hypothesis that most arrangements are deceptive. But, I also saw two more girls on day two and three.
The girl on day two was one that I met on the street while walking around Sosua. She was new in town and she had a female escort showing he the ropes and doing the talking. It was early in the trip and I was not read to make a move so I took her number and said I'the get back to her. That afternoon my travel partner was wife up and on an adventure to Caberete. I had passed my check ride and he had given me permission to fly solo. The weather was iffy so I was in to interest in heading out to the track to hunt / fish / prowl / troll or any of the other colorful metaphors used to describe the simple process of finding a ho, fucking a ho, paying a ho.
That afternoon I was texting a ho. Me: Hey ho, you available. Ho: yes; Me: I'm in this hotel. Can you meet me in the lobby? Ho: Yes; Me: When? Ho: In one hour. Me: See you then. One hour later I go to the lobby with my cell phone, because this is the Dominican Republic and ho's are never on time. So, I'm just chilling in the lobby and killing time on my cell phone waiting on a ho. So, I'm "posted up in the lobby" I believe that's the term. And I decide to see what cell phone camera can really do. So without moving, I document other mongers doing their monger thing without ever moving from my "post". Ho shows and we go to the desk. She leaves her cedula. And we start walking to the room.
We have never discussed price so I'm thinking this is as good of time as any to bring it up. Me: How much? Ho: This is Sosua and the price is set. It's 2000 pesos. Me: No, love it's what every we decide works for us. Ho: I want 2000 pesos. Me: Ok, but I get to bust two nuts. Ho: No, 2000 for one nut. Me: If I only get to bust one nut then it's 1500 pesos. Ho: She says no 2000 pesos. We were leisurely walking and talking that entire time. And we get to the door and I have my key out. We are standing there and I pause. And at the time I didn't know this but I was about to use a WRX communication method. Ho: I want 2000 pesos for one nut. Me: 2000 pesos for two nuts, 1500 pesos for one nut, or we can go our separate ways right here and now. Yes, that right, I threw in another option. Had my own "choices" so to speak. And then silence. As I learned in sales training after the closing question: wait. And so I did. And we stood there in silence as she pondered my offer. The she took a deep breath. Rolled her eyes and said: OK. Operator: We're in!
Now, I'm of those old guys, Spanish is bad, mind is going, don't read or spell so good, and couldn't logically reason my way out of wet paper bag. In fact, if I didn't have Mr. GoGo to drive me out of there I'the probably still be wondering around in circles. I'm a Sexpat. But that trip I was a sexual tourist. And delighted to be one at that. I'm just so happy to get some pussy that all that talk about CBJ, BBBJ, GFE, PSE does not matter to me. I'm looking for he. Ho experience. That's the straight forward, honest no hassle transaction sexual experience that seems to be the ideal but don't read much about. So, I don't get into all of that stuff during negotiations. It's what's the price? How many nuts do I get? Agreement and let the adventure begin.
I'm thinking as we enter the room that this probably going to be a problem. But it wasn't. She was an absolute sweetheart that was from Santo Domingo. She gave me BBBJ that was so good I had to make her stop before I busted in her mouth. Pounded that thing doggie style. She was a petite little thing but she could take some dick. I busted my nut and she was like is that all. I said yep. She gave me that Staples tag line look: That was easy. And it was. We got dressed. No GFE but hey, I don't look for that when I'm ho hunting. Stick and move. Straight fucking no kissing is fine for me. The excitement of the first time fuck is all the stimulation I need.
She asked if I sold hair. I told her yes. She asked to see it. And it pulled out my sample pieces. She declared the quality to be good (because it is). I paid her and she was on her way. It was a simple straight forward and dare I say "honest" transaction sexual experience. When in Rome mother fuckers! You know the rest.
This is useful sharing of information. And I lead by example. Simply taking issue with people in order to stimulate your mind when you don't have a ho on your dick really does not serve any purpose. I've leaned so much from a few people here. And absolutely nothing from most. I stay focused on the information posted here that is going to get me laid while creating the least amount of problems for self. Grownman said he does not immerse himself in Dominican Culture. And why should he? He knows all he needs to know to accomplish his goals when he is in country. He knows Dominican Ho Game!
I've got nothing to prove. And that goes triple for when the person taking issue with my statements is not adding any usable knowledge to the forum. Because this is not a scholarly journal, debate club, or oral arguments before the court. But when we use examples or better yet actual experiences when we share information helps us all. In other words, information on the Ho's helps us all to get our dick wet. When principles are proffered there's not point in taking issue with them unless they are completely misleading.
Take for example my discussion with WRX on deception. My only concern at the diatribe being spouted ad nauseum distracts from the purpose the forum I started. But engaging in those discussions on occasion keeps the synapses in my brain firing and is good exercise similar to the mornings I play tennis. It was totally useless in my opinion. And I really don't give a fuck about it.
But my larger message that was lost in the minutiae of a war of definitions was deception more often than not is the core issue of that seems to be the fly in the ointment of what should be a fairly straight forward transaction and experience is deception. That was my original message. But I hardly thought I would find myself in an Allen Iverson like situation where the future hall of fame basketball player was being castigated over "practice". Substitute the word "any" for me.
It's more important to me to spend time discussing scenarios that other have experienced that could lead to danger signs. Mr. GoGo's posts are an excellent example this. Describing his experiences along with the activities and actions of the Ho's. The collective sharing and that type of writing within the group allow us to form principles that we pick and choose based on our style of mongering.
TripAdvisor16
10-27-16, 14:31
Guys,
Any contact with semi pros in Ft. Lauderdale / Miami that you are willing to share?
Guys,
Any contact with semi pros in Ft. Lauderdale / Miami that you are willing to share?I've got nothing for you man. But if you come to Santo Domingo hola.
TripAdvisor16
10-28-16, 14:20
I've got nothing for you man. But if you come to Santo Domingo hola.Will do and thanks.
Source DR1:
The annual Afro descent Festival organized by the Plataforma Dominicana de Afrodescendientes, the Dominican Committee for the Slaves Route / Unesco and the Centro Cultural de Espaa in Santo Domingo is underway.
The program opened with a lecture and concert at the Centro Cultural de Espaa on Thursday, 27 October and continues on Friday, 28 October in Boca de Nigua with daytime visits to the Boca de Nigua sugar mill, and in the afternoon a workshop at the Centro Cultural de Espaa.
On Saturday, 29 October, there will be an exhibition by artist Geo Ripley accompanied by the Congos de Villa Mella, Guloyas de San Pedro de Macors, Tony * and Jos Duluc, Gag del Batey Bienvenido, among others.
To close the festival, on Sunday 30, in the morning there will be a talk on the historical impact of the rebellion of black slaves at Boca de Nigua, an exhibition of curly hairstyles, and an atabales music performance. In the evening there will be performances by LOS Soneros de Haina, Enerolisa why la Salves de Mata LOS Indios, Folklor Imaginario with Rafaelito Mirabal, Fell Vega, Quiqui Curiel, among others.
http://ccesd.org/2016/09/afrodescenciafest/
I watched a segment on This is life with Lisa Ling on CNN. It was about legal brothels in Nevada. A woman was denied a licence to be a prostitute in one of the counties because she was behind on child support.
For me that is the best example of government regulation to the point of nonsense within the US.
Mr Enternational
11-16-16, 16:06
I watched a segment on This is life with Lisa Ling on CNN. It was about legal brothels in Nevada. A woman was denied a licence to be a prostitute in one of the counties because she was behind on child support.
For me that is the best example of government regulation to the point of nonsense within the US.Why is that? To me it shows that the law is being applied evenly across the gender line. If a male is behind on child support then neither is he allowed to obtain a license or passport. It is only right for the same thing to apply to a female.
Why is that? To me it shows that the law is being applied evenly across the gender line. If a male is behind on child support then neither is he allowed to obtain a license or passport. It is only right for the same thing to apply to a female.Mr. E,
I usually have mad respect for your views but not this time. This is an example of severe government overreach into the lives of average Americans and furthermore is a most highly illogical regulation that is unfortunately becoming more and more pervasive throughout the US.
In this particular case, the government is denying her the most basic and fundamental right in the US. The right to work! They are denying her the opportunity to have a occupational licence to earn the money she could use to pay child support. Furthermore, since the government knows that a bunch of horny mother fuckers are going to be paying her a lot of money for her sexual services, the government has the opportunity to contact the organization where she is going to be earning the money and require them to withhold the amount they deem necessary.
For the sake of argument, I'll overlook the fact that the only attempt to open a male brothel failed, therefore making this a unique situation only being applied to women. Please provide an example to support your premise that this simply an example of the law being applied evenly across the gender line. Give me an example where a man is denied the opportunity to earn money or denied a occupational licence because he behind on child support. It should also be noted that this is a law specific to a county within Nevada. But, if you wish you can provide an example anywhere within the State of Nevada or any other State within the US simply to illustrate the general premise of your statement.
I yield the floor to Mr. E.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3144-Mr-Gogo-in-the-Dominican-Republic
That is exactly what this person is doing. The case is not closed. Only the mind of the writer.
His so called "decent" Dominican friends are the ones with the money, power and influence to make a profound impact on the social conditions, laws and behaviors that he writes about. Yet they, just like him have chosen instead simply to reap the benefits of operating in the upper class while looking down at those who are struggling within the country where they live the good life.
During my time living here I have found that attitude to be pervasive to an extreme with those that have money. In my opinion, most of the people with money here have those attitudes (as do many of the rich around the world I might add). This is not just my opinion, but is an opinion that has been expressed to me by other Dominicans that I am in contact with. This particular writer is equating decency (having money) with a set of social norms that he has observed, defines and has decided to live by. He loses complete credibility with me by saying my friends and I fuck around but we don't do it with known prostitutes, in known prostitute towns while drinking also. OK. Now, how does that make the writer better than the average sexual tourist? Is it a double standard? I'll leave that as and exercise for the reader.
The attitude the writer illustrates to me a near sociopaths lack of caring for those who live as Mr. Frannie pointed out: "Of course a lot of things are cheaper in the DR, but consumer goods are not, medicines are not, gasoline is not, cooking gas is not, nutrients like milk powder for babies are not. Few people in the DR have air conditioning in their homes in the stifling heat, and even if they have electric fans to sleep at night, the power often goes out. When people cook with gas in their kitchens, the heat and humidity of the whole apartment becomes unbearable".
The writer does not need a lecture. The writer needs a surgical consult for a heart transplant.
Why is that? To me it shows that the law is being applied evenly across the gender line. If a male is behind on child support then neither is he allowed to obtain a license or passport. It is only right for the same thing to apply to a female.Right, but it makes no sense to deprive either men or women of occupational licenses, otherwise how are they going to pay the arrears of child support? Inherit the money, cash in some investments, steal it, win the lottery?
Mr Enternational
11-17-16, 13:05
Right, but it makes no sense to deprive either men or women of occupational licenses, otherwise how are they going to pay the arrears of child support? Inherit the money, cash in some investments, steal it, win the lottery?But it makes sense for them to deprive their child? Were they paying or attempting to pay the shit before they needed the license? More than likely not. Because if they were then the shit would not have gone that far. It takes a while for the arrears to hit the system to the effect that you are not able to obtain or keep your license. The shit is not overnight. There is no late today, no license tomorrow. It is more ain't paid in a few months, 3 or 4 warning letters, bye bye license. So it is their own damn fault.
I was not arguing whether the law should exist or not. I was saying that since the law does exist, it is nice to know that they are applying it to everyone and not just one gender, one race, or one economic group.
My problem with the post is that it popped up after a woman could not get a license for fucking. What about all the guys that couldn't get whatever type of license before this? That law did not start this year, so why get up in arms all of a sudden?
My cousin has been behind on child support in Georgia for years. When they finally cut his license and passport off 2 years ago, he was living overseas in Malaysia where his wife is from. He went to the embassy to get more visa pages and they revoked his passport.
Fast forward to August 8 this year. I took him down to the court because he was making arrangements to get his shit together. It is a good thing that I went with him. We were about to leave and I said did you ask him about getting your license back? He had forgotten. So he went back to the guy and asked about his license and passport. The guy gave him a paper to fill out so he could get his license back, but told him that they will not let you get another passport until you are current on your child support.
So there. It is not a big deal. If you have made arrangements to take care of your debt then you will have no problem getting the license. But if you just say fuck it I am not worried about paying that shit then hey. Know the law and how it works before you start crying foul.
Right, but it makes no sense to deprive either men or women of occupational licenses, otherwise how are they going to pay the arrears of child support? Inherit the money, cash in some investments, steal it, win the lottery?In this particular case you are right Mr. Frannie. By his own admission Mr. E has failed to address if is good law or not. In the example given by Mr. E, he has also failed to address if it was a occupational license that was denied due to child support arrears. So, Mr. E has essentially provided a non answer and failed to address the point of the original post, one that I might add, you understood completely.
Understanding the law and equal application of the law was never the issue. This is another example of paradigm and grandstanding taking precedent over actual discussion of the issue at hand.
Driver: Guillermo
Based in Santo Domingo.
Speaks English, French and Spanish.
Full Disclosure: Last time I used him he had a late model mini van with air conditioning. I get nothing from this recommendation. I will not receive any kickbacks, free rides or special consideration of any type. We have worked together since I moved to the island over two years ago. He is not the cheapest but I have found him to be reliable. If you have further questions hit me on the back channel.
Google: Gimnasio Bar Privado Santo Domingo. First link that comes up with give you list of casa locations. Second link is an actual map of locations.
I meant to say rarely "charted" territory, not "unchartered" territory.Professor Wrx2005,
If they were exploring by sea, they would be using charts. If they were exploring by air, they would be using charts. But if they were exploring by land they would be using maps. So when were you in a hurry? When you wrote your first post or in the one where you were responding to me? You acknowledged your error. But you didn't seem to be able to get that part right in either post.
Unlike you, I don't need to offer "olive branches" as this is not war. Unlike you, I was not looking for some "golden opportunity" (unless it involves pussy) as this is not a debate club (at least not for me). And unlike you, I am not interested in making sure everything written here is perfect. Furthermore, I don't have to communicate in a way that you find most effective or pleasing (or anyone else for that matter). It's unfortunate that as grown men writing about grown up things I have to address issues like this. But sometimes when people "go rogue" it's necessary.
"And I make that pussy tap out, I knock that pussy out cold. Nigga you get beat the crap out but that's just how the dice roll. These hoes want that hose pipe, so I give all these hoes pipe. She get on that dick and stay on, all night like porch lights" - "Rich as Fuck", Little Wayne.
Last night I was not proofreading my posts looking for errors of word uses in case WRX finds them. No, my time is too important for that. I was out on the town with a lovely non-pro chica. It was her birthday and we had great time. We had dinner on the water and drinks and snacks on rich side of town. Those who fly first class, have ocean view apartments, and gran jefe mobiles can do that sort of thing and not worry about how it affects the budget. (or greater social interactions between men and women for that matter). And when we were back at HER apartment, trust me when I say that golden opportunity was not missed nor did I fuck it up. Actually that's a lie. I fucked it up, down, left, right, on the floor, bed, standing against the wall and bent over the kitchen cabinet in the morning.
Can somebody please call 911? I think she broke my dick!
Thank you for the opportunity to address why (as the moderator) I deleted most of our exchange. I didn't delete our entire exchange. Only the parts where you failed to add any useful information. I left the posts where you actually made a contribution to the objectives of the forum here. You are not in the position to know what is within anyone else's mind. Yet you state what I'm going to do, when I am going to do it and why. Have you actually read anything in my forum other than your own work? I can find any number of exchanges within my forum that have not gone "to my satisfaction" but they are still there. Since you are speaking for the people for the forum now: Why have they stopped engaging me in one on one discourse? And since they have exactly what does that say?
Now before you answer, please note that I don't give a fuck why. If someone, anyone, even if only one person reads something in my forum that helps them enjoy their time on the island better then I'm happy. I don't need anyone to tell me it helped them. I don't need anybody to reply to me. I don't need to make a bunch of posts that don't contain any useful information order to run up my post count. As for the forum being dead my man that's your interpretation. The forum is focused. The focus of my forum is contained in the name. Since most who live on the island or come to the island don't focus on the things I do why would they post in my forum. Prostitutes are very popular here. The Sosua forum is very active. But even with all that activity it contains very little useful information as of late. I do not judge the quality of my discourse in volumes of words used or post count.
I'm glad you think I'm special, but I wonder how you know this as you have never even met me. Oh, BTW I enjoyed our PM exchange also. Resolved or unresolved, it was not a problem for me (think my tennis analogy). Feel free to publish them similar to Mr. E if you would like. Take a moment and actually read the other forums on ISG. The lack of civility (bordering on sociopathic behavior) does not occur on other forums. It's a unique aspect driven by the cast of critics that populate the Dominican Republic forum. They don't count. I'm a man in the arena!
Mr. Oakie said it best and he has it right!
Folks on this forum are so adversarial now I think it is more about ego than sharing actual experiences. It is basically a pissing match with some posters who will adopt any opinion, no matter how inconsistent, to deride others who are perceived to be a threat to their ego, street cred, rep, their worldview, whatever.
With these would be moderators on the prowl, checking everything from your grammar, language, to the price you pay, and even the propina you give a local, (not necessary they whine, because you could be "spoiling the monger market", with your generosity, reminding you of their "monger's code"Reference made to the following post:
Some folks can't handle or admit being wrong or shown their errors, successfully. He deleted an entire exchange between him and I for that reason. Not because it didn't meet the objective of the forum. And it wasn't like it was in Sosua Reports, it was in his personally moderated forum. Further, he is the one who copies information from another forum to address you in his. So if there was a problem with anybodies post/focus not meeting his objective, he shouldn't have copied their post from another forum to address them in his?
Now if the exchange doesn't go according to his satisfaction, chances are the entire exchange will be deleted anyway. Because he cannot delete your exchange in this forum, the damage control effort is gonna be unrelenting. So have fun..
From DR1:
"In an article sponsored by the Banco Popular Dominicano, several newspapers are talking about a new application called Costa Dominicana, which is available for iPhones and Android devices. The app covers 133 beaches, 18 of which are shown in virtual reality. Sponsored by the BPD, the content is based on the work of agricultural engineer Domingo Marte, who traveled from the mouth of the Dajabon River in Montecristi (northwest) to the mouth of the Pedernales River on the southwestern coast. Most of this was done on foot or by boat and covered the 227 beaches along the Dominican coastline. The app encourages everyone to emulate Domingo Marte and explore the coastline. The app filters beaches by geographical region and allows the user to find out if there are any options such as the availability of food nearby, or whether access is easy or difficult and finally what kind of infrastructure is available. The app is synchronized with Google Maps, which allows the user to select the best route for reaching a new beach. "
This a great idea and I love the beach. But downloaded the app onto my iPhone and it didn't work.
In every pussy that I go.
The ho's are reducing fees.
For regular gringos like me.
And I still get to cum in their mouth!
I say this because two ho's that I had not seen before because they were asking 3000 pesos and 4000 pesos respectively, told me they would see me for 1500 pesos and 2000 pesos respectively because it was "navidad" and they needed money to buy gifts.
How lovely!
The SubCmdr sends you his greetings from Santo Domingo where the pussy is wet, where we go hard and deep in the pussy and where the men in the arena know the critics do not count! Taking a break from going hard in the pussy and busting nut all over their faces. Cause you know these hoes want that hose pipe, so we give all these hoes pipe, we hope she gets on that dick and stays on, all night like porch lights, that's right! One of my brothers sent me this:
"I dreamed during my recent visit to the Capitol that I spirited off to one the cabanas in north Malecon where several choices are available. It's So much thanks for sharing a UTR, that's under-the-radar, phone number, photos and contact.
Of three potential contacts, she was the first to discuss a reasonable service arrangement - 2500 plus 500 add on for a specific service. Now that arrangement upset the others who asked for more, but negotiated down when the offer was serious, especially when I shared that a slow response means there is no interest. Such arrangements prevent golden-pussy syndrome and the usual haggling. And the next time an offer to dream comes up the lady knows how far to push before the deal goes away.
A curvy girl with no fat, she crawled up on me and laid those puppies in my face. Nice eraser nipples. Kissing was off limits and no desire to play around. All service covered. No oral, and little discussion and lots of spit lube, she mounted reverse cowgirl with experience evident as she knelt on one knee with the other leg flat-footed on the bed. Loud moans were fake and Oscar quality. After about ten she switched to regular cowgirl with the same technique before a quick jump off awaiting instruction. I had asked for BBBJCIM as part of the deal, but denied, until a reminder about the add-on bonus. Off to the bathroom to wash first, she got to business with good but predictable technique, tired easily and didn't understand my need for aggressive head. Once communication improved she turned into suckzilla and developed a rhythm to finish the job, catch the evidence and then off to the bathroom.
Totally satisfied I laid back on the bed and commented that I was at full mast. Unusual with an absent prostate, she made it clear round #2 which was not on the menu. We rested a little bit, laid beside each other and tried to DATY receiving much resistance. She reluctantly consented to a tease contest. Some flicking of the tongue and a finger teasing her vajay produced some now realistic soft moans until her hips began to gyrate in slow motion. She became dripping wet, grabbed my hand and pushed the finger deep into her, lifted up her hips and went into vajay convulsions. She wasn't expecting that and just laid back and pushed my head away. Battle won.
Pros: Semi pro UTR by reference only. Natural curves and no scars. Rides the pony at champion quality. Can follow instructions. With reminders, stuck to negotiated fee without add ONS.
Cons: Was not ready for our appointment and was 90 minutes late for our appointment. Did not follow instructions well to link up at the appointed place. Agreed to pre-paid taxi fare home, but left the cab when I did and insisted I pay the driver. Stupid Gringo syndrome?
Provided digits. Would recommend but negotiate rate and if late for service. Move on. "
Ah shit! Seems like my brother caught some push back from a ho. Seems she may be a little more pro and a little less semi than she initially let on. But mos def UTR. That's what we working wit here. Did a ho lie to me to get what she wanted? No? Say it isn't so. Santo Domingo is not hard. Did you bust a nut my brother? Yes, you did. Can I get a quote from a brother? "Totally satisfied". Word! Nah, two words! You had to take the scenic route, but sometimes the journey is the reward.
But I understand that's not what you are looking for when you are on a time schedule my man. I get that. My apologies to a brother for the ho being late and running the taxi scam. I know I should try the pussy out before I make the recommendation. Cause dis ho def is not making a brother look good in the eyes of another brother. But there is so much pussy here in Santo Domingo and I just don't have enough time to run up in all of it! Give a brother another chance and I'll hook you up with more digits the next time you are running through Santo Domingo on a mission to blow backs out!
The SubCmdr is out but with the following message: If a chica spreads her legs for you and you didn't have any fun, it was your own damn fault!
Drops the microphone and walks off the stage to thunderous applause!
A girl I know came over to my place. She swept my floors, mopped my floors, got down on her hands and knees and scrubbed every square meter of my floors (and balcony) and then mopped my floors again. It was a six hours process. Now I was not standing over her telling her what to do. I explained to her what I wanted (in my poor Spanish since this has been pointed out by the numerous linguistic experts in both English and Spanish here. In face I'm sure this post contains some kind of grammatical or spelling error that is sending at least one of you into a apoplectic fit.) and she took it from there. I left her in my apartment while I went shopping on the rich side of town (I'm just a poor gringo trying to make it). I was gone about four of the those six hours. Nothing was missing. And after she completed her work she asked if I had any other for her. Which I did not at the time. But told her she could count on returning one time each month for same work. She agreed to do that and thanked me when I paid her. I paid her 500 pesos plus 100 pesos for transportation.
Today my view of the ocean is great and my floors, well my floors are sparking. In fact, I'm sitting at my desk right now writing this being bathed in sunlight and occasionally peering out my million dollar (US) view.
So, the next time one of you sexual tourist motherfuckers is arguing with some chica over the money they want to fuck you or lamenting the poor sexual performance you received, keep in mind that the individual you are dealing with is lazy and of poor character. Because most women in the Dominican Republic are not prostitutes. If fact, most are hard working individuals trying to make it under circumstances that would break most people. If you didn't know any of this before, now you know.
*The exchange rate today 01/20/2017 is 46.41 to the dollar.
Sosua is not the best DR location to find the sort of chica you (and I) prefer, but it is doable. Most of the girls are take-the-money and run types. If you apply your philosophy of "keep trying until you get what you want" indiscriminately you could end up wasting a lot of money.
If you like black girls, many ex-pats and repeat visitors have learned to prefer haitianas to dominicanas because of their generally better attitude.Mr. CP,
I find it interesting that you are providing the information on Sosua when many of the self promoting experts are saying nothing. Just an observation. But you are dead on about your assessment of the type of women you find in Sosua. But they do serve their purpose.
Now, I've had two Haitians and they fucked good (no doubt about that) but they played way more games with me than the Dominicans. So maybe it was just the type of girls I hooked up with. One was out of Batay in Boca Chica and the other was a Facebook hit here in Santo Domingo. I do prefer black woman (actually as long as they are butter pecan or darker that works for me. But I've found that the dark Dominicans are the best. They are very appreciative because they are neglected by Dominican men. My experience is that they will serve your every need with a smile.
Dominican dudes are conflicted in this area. They want white babies and to be seen with a white girl to increase their street value. But they will will fuck and run on a smoking hot dark Dominican girl in a minute. Grab one and hit the streets with her and she will turn heads everywhere she goes. I find it interesting. Just last night my girl was entering my apartment building ahead of me and a guy that lives in the building tried to talk to her. Then as he was walking away he continued down the hall looking at her ass. He did not see that I observed the entire thing as I was trailing her at a distance because we were unloading stuff from the Gran Jefe mobile.
Just thought I'd share. It never goes well when I post in the Sosua section and simply don't need the grief. I enjoy your posts my man. Keep up the good work!
At Burger King an apple pie is 80 pesos. Take a look below at what 90 pesos can buy you at a Panaderia four blocks away.
An insight into living rich, poor and in between:
Money and status is really not that important to me. What you have had you might miss when you don't have it anymore, but you never have to wonder about what it would have been like. I live in a apartment that costs me $550.00 a month (US Dollars). I didn't use the internet so I don't think I got market price. Only $550 a month and I rent. Can you look at the price that I pay for my apartment and know if I'm rich or am I poor?
Warren Buffet's house is a modest property in Omaha that he purchased in 1958 for just $31,500. Does that mean that everyone in the United States of America that lives in a house that cost more is rich?
He also says: "Success is really doing what you love and doing it well. It's as simple as that. Really getting to do what you love to do everyday. That's really the ultimate luxury. . . Your standard of living is not equal to your cost of living. " By the standards of Warren Buffet I am successful. And so I consider myself in good company. It's been documented that he is rich. That's a fact.
Am I rich? Using the Latin American Standards published by the World Bank. That would be a yes! And depending upon how old the person is asking me the answer would be: "Yes! I am rich Sir. " got to show respect being a newbie and all that.
But I prefer this answer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMFJBd40Awo.
ROTFLMFAO!
I was wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv063nzZIEk
Here is what I know for a fact: You can't define someone in terms of Socioeconomic Status (SES) by giving examples of how much a person spends, what they pay in rent, how many cars they own, or by a persons self-definition simply using a few examples. If you want to do that you better have a lot of data. It's the type of data even years of living here in the Dominican Republic can't give you. Window observations and knowledge of others personal situations are simply interesting antidotes. You can only define someone as Middle Class by how much money they make.
I make reference to the paper: "Economic Mobility and the Rise of the Latin American Middle Class" published by the World Bank in 2013. In Chapter 5 of this report "The Rising Latin American and Middle Class" (page 135) in the section "Who is Middle Class in Latin America and the Caribbean" (page 145) it says "This section which draws on Birdsall (2012). " This a reference with "A Note on the Middle Class" a paper written by Nancy Birdsall in 2012 is heavily relied on in the paper.
The middle class in Latin American is defined as a household income between $10 - $50 (In 2005 US Dollars). To find out how much that would be in today's dollars, scale both the lower number and the higher number up by the US rate of inflation. Can any of you do that for us No? OK, no problem. I got this! Using the US Inflation calculator the range in today's dollars (2016) is: $12.29 - $61.45.
In the report you will find a table that contains the data for the Dominican Republic. It shows that in 2000 26.8% of households were middle class. But in 2008 only 20.4% were. If you have more recent or more accurate data, please present it. Using the information I provided for you here any of you interested in knowing if your friends and neighbors are middle class. All you have to do ask how much MONEY they make each month. Then you divide that by 30. That will give you their daily income. Present this information and after you have done that I am prepared to discuss anything you would like about the Dominican Middle Class.
So, although I might not be able to find the market price of an apartment in Santo Domingo / Santo Domingo Este online. I sure as hell know how to do social science research. Which is a infinitely more interesting subject for me. No need for me to squat, reach around and fling it at my audience or to look out the window and simply ponder for that matter. I've been told I easily confuse my facts and opinions. Really?! This report is straight out a episode of Dragnet: The facts ma'am. Nothing but the facts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVzvRsl4rEM&list=RDsVzvRsl4rEM
My Dad thought all that money he paid for my fancy university degree that received from one of the top undergraduate schools that had one of top ten departments in Sociology in the United States of America (at that time and is still ranked number #4) was a waste of money. I wish he was still alive so I could tell him this story. You know the one about how I just intellectually knocked it out the ball park and into the ocean.
And I bet all those middle class women make excellent Non-Pro finds. If I just get out the barrio for a quick minute. Nah. Never happen!
Pro's, Non-Pro's and Novia's.
When they left I gave my Haitian treat 2000 pesos and a nice dress. Fresh gave his Novia $100 for her $100 for her mother and $200 for her mother to get groceries for his stay when he gets there in two days. He wonders why I don't do Novias or get into meeting their families.I can't speak for GrownMan. But the implication is clear. I don't have to wonder. I don't need to read between the lines. The comparison here is stark and clear. The way I see it. It's all about the mother fucking money.
2000 DOP= 42.87 USD*; 100 USD= 4,664 pesos; 400 USD= 18,662 DOP; Wow! And I'm mother fucking Santa Claus? ROTFLMAO! Fresh must a straight 7 figure philanthropist. But I've never been one to comment on how another man spends his money. But I'm quick throw out some figures of relative value. Unfortunately in this case I can't say a damn thing. It's impossible for me to comment on the specific situation that Grownman outlines. Because I use Cost per Orgasm (CPO) as a quantitative comparison of relative value when it comes to busting a nut. And we don't know how many times Fresh busted a nut in order to make the CPO calculation. We also don't know Fresh's ideal CPO budget.
Here is what we know:
Latest reports show that 4.5 million Dominicans or 45.7% of the population are borderline poor. The report says that 17.1% already live in poverty and 8. 8% in extreme poverty. The UNDP defines poverty as living on an income of between US $4 and US $10 a day. The 2015 report is based on 2014 data. Gentlemen, (using the term very loosely) that is between 184 and 459 pesos a day. Which translates to 5,520 to 13,770 pesos a month.
A prostitute has to fuck 10 times (at 1500 pesos / fuck) before she crosses the "borderline poor" income line out of 13,770 pesos a month. And if she has a child then she would have to double that number to bring both her child and her over that line.I don't know if Fresh intended his 18,662 DOP as a monthly payment. Or if it was a special payment in addition to the monthly stipend he gives his novia.
"Rozay, don't you know that pussy worth it" - Scrillix Rick Ross, Purple Lamborghini.
Grownman says she is a Dominican 10. She better be! But you can't always judge a book by it's cover. And we don't know the intangible qualities that she brings to the table. For Fresh they may very well be priceless. It's very easy to handle the entire family wanting to ride your back. You just say no. Early on one of my harem girls wanted additional money to give to her father. I told her that her Father was a grown man like me. And if he needs some money she better give it to him out of what I give to her. Or send him to come talk to me about it. I never heard anything about that ever again.
I prefer my non pros to be students, to have jobs, no kids and no history of slinging pussy on the street. If they have kids she better look to daddy to provide the support she needs. We all like different things and have different budgets.
*Today is February 7, 2017. XE.com has the exchange rate as USD= 46.65 DOP.
Sometimes Mr. Camero's basic idea gets lost in the continual back and forth that goes on the other forums. Every ex-pat does things differently. While some may have chosen to study, do homework, over analyze everything and consult the "Expat Standard Operating Procedure Manual" (whatever the fuck that might be), others choose to take action (having already completed their hard knock life degree in a earlier phase in their lives).
For expats that have made the ultimate move / sacrifice to liquidate almost everything they own, and basically transition themselves from living in the country they resided in almost all of their lives, they arent criminals or unsavory characters trying to escape from the law or duty; I call that the ultimate example of someone not stuck in any zone, but a major accomplishment in life. A life changer.Yes, Mr. Wrx2005. They live their lives in a linear fashion making course corrections along the way and are not worried about what others think, do, or say here in this forum. We are here to share not to judge or be critical. Living in the Dominican Republic gives you the opportunity to: "Do what you like!" (within the law of course). But you actually have to live there right? These are MY experiences and opinions and in no way do they invalidate or challenge anyone else's.
Are all Dominicans alike?Of course not!
It never ceases to amaze me when I speak about some of my experiences with Dominican women with other Dominican women the response is always "todas las mujeres no son iguales" in the beginning I didn't have a come back but now I say " yo se pero la mayoria son similar. .I have some common ground with you here. But since all individuals are different, drawing conclusions for an entire group of individuals simply using anecdotal examples is difficult (it's the quantitative social scientist in me). But I do see patterns. And after a while your pattern recognition software accumulates enough data to recognize that "hanging curve ball" and knock it out of the park. I've read where others have referred to "finding the diamond in the rough". Yes, it certainly is possible but you got to have a great screening system, be patient and run them through to do it. You can't find a diamond if you are not moving a lot of dirt. LOL!
I have been giving this issue a lot of thought. Much of my time outside of chicas is spent with other extranjeros specifically ex pats who live here and the majority of us have the same types of experiences however it seems that there are several factors that determine what type of experience we will have.I learned the hard way to keep to myself and pretty much stay away from ex pats who lived there and my biggest mistake was associating with a very specific group that I met at a party about a year after I was there.
Since then I have watched my associations more closely and met several high quality expats from my country of origin and others that have extensive travel experiences. Most have dramatically different backgrounds from me. But we are all on the same wavelength when it comes to actually experiencing different cultures and being men of action. We share a common viewpoint on our life experiences in the Dominican Republic. They were my crew of trusted advisers while in country and continue to offer up good advice now that I have left. Interestingly enough, we all came to our conclusions about living in the Dominican Republic independently of each other by actually living there (no homework needed) and they all dovetail like the joints on high quality woodwork.
Since you set the parameters Mr Camaro, I will follow your criteria in my analysis:
1. Family background, is it a two parent household and what role does the father play in the family? Is the family religious and to what degree do they practice their religion? Since the first set of values comes from the family I find this to be very important.Pattern I have viewed: The vast majority of Dominican males don't handle their "man" business. Please note I said "vast majority". There are a small number (very small number) that handle their business and their family responsibilities, but they are in the minority. And no I'm not chalking it up to Latin culture or Dominican culture. Handling your business and taking care of your responsibilities is a universal male trait. The ones that are taking care of their families, their business, and still managing to get it in on a regular basis, hats off to them.
The highest quality Dominican males that I interacted with while living there were doctors, followed by military and law enforcement professionals of high rank. I also met one engineer and one business owner and they never tried to rip me off. Always gave me good advice and gave me insight into how the actual Dominican Republic operated on on a day to day life level and culturally. This has been my personal experience. So, I didn't / wouldn't use family background as an evaluation factor when it comes to my girls.
2. Socio economic class, Dominican society is similar to American society in that there is a upper class, middle class, working class and poor class. The difference between the Dominican Republic and the United States is that in the Dominican Republic is the disparity between the classes is much greater. What I have personally discovered is that if a woman in working my interaction with her is generally different than if she is not.This happens to be an area of scholarly expertise and personal interest. In my country of origin it's all about the (expletive deleted) money. Studies show that there is greater wealth inequality in the United States of America than in another country in the world and this wealth inequality is even greater than income inequality.
That being said a girl working a regular job or not working in the Dominican Republic can make a difference but I have not found it to be so. It's much more about the personality of the girl. And if she is materialistic or if she is being stretched thin because her family is riding on her back then she can be just a much of a money grabbing hustler similar to ones constantly being discussed working the streets of your favorite puta pueblos (Boca Chica and Sosua). Personally, I've found that having a job or not doesn't necessarily make a difference. Because the are all hustlers (just a matter of degree) and survivors. The type of personality that the girl has is much more important.
3. Level of education is very important also, I have met women in their late 20's who have not completed high school due to pregnancy, being married or other circumstances of life. There is a direct correlation between education and success in life regardless as to what country you are from. I realize there are many college educated Dominicans that are unemployed but those who have not completed high school have less hope for the future.I'm surprised to read this statement. You can find at any number of multi-millionaires or in some cases billionaires that are here in the United States of America that don't have high levels of formal education. That being said, this a another area that did not factor at all into my experiences or qualifications with my girls. Even in the Dominican Republic I met girls in the age classifications you described going to school and trying to advance their careers and economic prospects. One of the thing that seem to be unique is there no stigma on taking classes no matter what age you happen to be. I attended classes at APEC taking Spanish at the university level. I helped girls with their homework from their English classes (the only homework I need to do at this point in my life). I've also accompanying them to classes on their various campuses. My perception is that education is highly valued and most (not all) understood that developing and improving the skills most demanded by employers was the key to their economic advancement. Cause there weren't any Dominican males around to do it. Once again it was all about the individual personality of the girl and what they were trying to achieve. Were they playing the cards they were dealt in the best way they could? Or were they unmotivated and not trying to make anything of themselves?
My conclusion is that if I only deal with Dominican women from broken families of low socio-economic status who are uneducated I will generally get the same results. Admittedly the majority of my experiences are similar, but when I have different experiences with Dominican women it is likely due to one of the 3 above factors. Although it is difficult stepping outside my comfort zone I am enjoying the challenge.My conclusion: I've got a Ivy league education, I come from a two parent household, and according to Latin american standards I'm rich! But that's not the first thing you see when you meet me. I never really like being judged based on superficial factors. And I've got a very big one that's quite visible for all to see.
I went with a strictly performance based system. Because when you are actually living in the Dominican Republic (instead of talking to others continually about it) you can "Do what you like". I didn't use Mr. Camaro's factors when evaluating, analyzing and reviewing experiences with my girls. And although those factors can be important and there is absolutely nothing wrong with looking at things from that perspective, I found that they were not important to me. And quite honestly why would I? I didn't need to study Harem Construction and Management 101. I didn't need to do any home work. I didn't ask anyone any questions about how to do it. It was MY harem and I built my team for me. I just did it!
I evaluated my girls first on their performance with me: How did they treated me? What they did for me? How they communicated with me? How available they were? And kept my expense ledger updated (got to know your CPO). I tallied up the report card with my qualitative and quantitative criteria. That's how they earned their spot on the roster and I placed in them in line up accordingly. The best girls got the best deals.
Mr. Camaro, I would like to hear how the different factors you outlined have actually played into your interactions with different girls on the island and effected your experiences. Do you consider your girls pros, semi-pros or non-pros? Do you even use those classifications? Why or why not? Others have pointed out that not all Dominican girls are "fucking for money". Have you found that to be the case also? Others have said "they are not impressed when a women refuses or does not ask for money". What has been your experiences along those lines?
You said it best Mr. Camaro "Every ex-pat has to do what is best for them". Real talk brother! And as always I enjoy your contributions to the forum!
May the pussy be with you!
On day before my last day in the Dominican Republic I needed a little taste to remember my time in country. On my last day, while passing through SDQ, I stopped by the Duty Free shop to compare prices. Sexy Dominicans were offering more tastes in cute outfits and their soothing Latina accents. Their English wasn't too good. But nice eye candy and their accents were lovely.
For a 700 ML bottle of Barcelo Gran Anejo I paid 375 DOP.
For a 700 ML bottle of Brugal XV Ron Reserva I paid 435 DOP.
In the duty free store they wanted 15 USD for each bottle. You can always save a little money when you are not on the tourist economy. Nearly three years of actually living in the Dominican Republic taught me a few things. LOL!
Hello all,
I have enjoyed reading all of the threads in this particular forum and hope to being some more discussion on developing relationships with non-pros etc.
I am an experienced SD here in the states in a Big Ten college town, and lately have been enjoying the idea of developing those relationships in sunnier, warmer climates. I do feel it is important to disclose that I am inexperienced when it comes to mongering on an international level. I would like to learn other cultures, and experience them with women whose lives I can contribute to in not only financial ways, but in a relationship that is both encouraging and educating to them (and myself). I have no interest in staying in all-inclusive resorts and spending time with pros. I would much rather assist in helping a few young women in obtaining a better lifestyle, expose them to finer things in life. And truly experience those countries I visit. I have been told my longer term SD / SB relationships here in the states have been extremely beneficial to the women I spend time with by increasing their self-esteem, self worth and goals in life.
Hell, I am most likely naive to think that a 36 year old successful white dude from the midwest can have that kind of impact on a woman in the DR. That said, I'm not scared to try. I just need help finding the woman in the situation I am looking for. I have started a little bit in discussions with women on cupid, and would appreciate some advice on distinguishing pros from non-pros. When it comes to the cultural dynamics of male / female relationships in the DR, this particular forum has been helpful.
Again, my goal here is to help encourage discussion for those of us who want more than a "wham bam thank you ma'am" on our travels to the DR, and really cultivate BFE / GFE experiences on our travels.
Thank you, and Happy New Year to you all.
Hello all,
I have enjoyed reading all of the threads in this particular forum and hope to being some more discussion on developing relationships with non-pros etc.Welcome Mr. Almond. My apologies for your having to wade through the off topic subjects and grown men having the written version of an apoplectic fit while replying to my posts. I'll bring my editing tools to bear with greater precision during redevelopment of the subject.
It would seem that some simply cannot handle being presented with a different world view. Even though they have entire sections in which to talk about prostitution as a method of having sex with girls, there seems to be a visceral reaction when the idea is presented that there are other ways to going about banging out the hot sexy girls (younger and older) that reside on the island.
I am an experienced SD here in the states in a Big Ten college town, and lately have been enjoying the idea of developing those relationships in sunnier, warmer climates. I do feel it is important to disclose that I am inexperienced when it comes to mongering on an international level. I would like to learn other cultures, and experience them with women whose lives I can contribute to in not only financial ways, but in a relationship that is both encouraging and educating to them (and myself). I have no interest in staying in all-inclusive resorts and spending time with pros. I would much rather assist in helping a few young women in obtaining a better lifestyle, expose them to finer things in life. And truly experience those countries I visit. I have been told my longer term SD / SB relationships here in the states have been extremely beneficial to the women I spend time with by increasing their self-esteem, self worth and goals in life.Your experience is welcome here. I too spent a great deal of time roaming through the sugar world in the east, southwest and southern California. You goals are well within reach if you are willing to put in a little time to tighten up your language skills and shed the toxic outer shell those from the United States (including myself initially) arrive with. Finally, stay out of the puta pueblos where so many sexual tourists and sex pats tend to congregate. If you initial efforts do not get your balls off to your satisfaction, you can always fall back to those locations.
Remember prostitution is legal in the Dominican Republic. You can find a prostitute, fuck a prostitute and pay a prostitute. Now, there are those that seem to want to make it more complicated than that. But, I've been to a few of the puta pueblos and I'll let you in on a secret: there is not much more to it than that.
Hell, I am most likely naive to think that a 36 year old successful white dude from the midwest can have that kind of impact on a woman in the DR. That said, I'm not scared to try. I just need help finding the woman in the situation I am looking for. I have started a little bit in discussions with women on cupid, and would appreciate some advice on distinguishing pros from non-pros. When it comes to the cultural dynamics of male / female relationships in the DR, this particular forum has been helpful.Pro / Semi Pro / Non Pro.
The differences are razor thin in Republica Dominicana. Only you can define those differences and what works for you. For example, there are girls who will travel to a puta pueblo in order to make money for (put reason here). They keep it secret and don't want anyone to find out. Others, make no bones about it it. And that is how they are paying for how they like to live and how they help out the others they are providing financial life support for in their lives. Others fuck for money when they have a one time expense (supplies to get the kids prepared for school, money for gifts end of year, insert any number of other reasons here). Others engage in what has been referred to as "girl game". That is getting as many men as possible to provide financial support for them by any means necessary.
Where would you put each of these girls in my examples on the scale? The question is rhetorical. Rather than getting in to the labels, I suggest that making a list of your standards and then sticking with them "holding frame" so to speak. That will be the key to your success! Not anything any of us say here. Your dick! Your money! Do what you like my brother!
Again, my goal here is to help encourage discussion for those of us who want more than a "wham bam thank you ma'am" on our travels to the DR, and really cultivate BFE / GFE experiences on our travels.
Thank you, and Happy New Year to you all.A most worthy goal Mr. Almond. One that I support!
And if I say so myself (and I do). I have a lot to contribute. With well over 1000 RONs (remain over nights) in Santo Domingo Este and other parts of Republica Dominicana not even my haters can continue to contest my qualifications to comment on the subject matter at hand.
Yes, I arrived first class to a throng of greeters at SDQ. The thunderous applause was deafening and took me by total surprise. I have to say that I was quite the experience being greeted and picked up at the airport. That's right! I live on a island. I got the sun in my face and the ocean for a view. I fuck hot girls anytime I like. It's not a dream. It's not a rap video gentleman. It's my life. So don't hate, make of your mind to participate.
Happy motherfucking New Year!
Try, boga boga, don pepe, sofia, asadero argentino, david crockett. Have a churrasco at don pinchos.This is real information! If I'm able to get a Uber I might just check some of them out. Nah, why do that? I'll just take the gran jefe mobile and arrive in style with a smoking hot chica riding shotgun. LOL. Just pass me the hooka!
The only amenity I will ever need is the view off my balcony. Check it out gentleman and ask yourselves if 30 minute blooming onion delivery from Outback is more important than that? Not for me. I don't eat that shit even when I'm in my country of origin!
5 years ago a view similar to this cost 3000 USD a month for a 2 bedroom apartment in my country of origin. I might not be rich, but I can recognize value when I see it. I'm not a elitist and I don't have my nose in the air. The only way you will see me behind the wheel of a Kia is during a test drive in the process of buying for one of my girls. I'm long past the materialistic drive in my life. Good health, good friends and new experiences is the road I travel now!
A little rum, hit the hooka and a sexy chica serving you almuerzo (lunch) in the bikini you bought her. While enjoying it all looking at the view in the photo below. Life is good. Live how you like!
I have had good fun in Sousa. I tend to do other things if the girl is GFE like going on day trips etc. I do rent a car always. Gives me the mobility I require and girls are impressed too. One girl had her mom in the hospital for some operation and I took her to get her mom. She was more than grateful. Certain minor things you do for them goes a long way rather than wham bam TY.You are dead on point my brother. Your positive experiences with doing little things are exactly the same as mine. And shows that even treating a prostitute with respect and as a human being is valued no matter what their profession happens to be or where you are in the country. Remember the bar of male performance in the Dominican Republic is so low that even assholes from other places give better treatment to these women than they receive from the domestic males they have access too. The only thing most males here have going for them is home field advantage. They are here for them day in and day out. My personal experiences bear this out and so do the experiences of others (who live here also) they have shared with me. Excellent "man in the arena" post!
Little things is how people survive the often difficult conditions that they face here. For example, my girl has left to help out a friend of hers that doesn't have any food. I've met her friend. I know her friends situation. She loaded up things from my pantry along with other basic things like toilet paper and headed out to help her cook and clean today. She borrowed 1000 DOP because it is raining very hard here and she wanted to take a taxi. You wait for public transportation in the rain. I understand her situation. It's not a problem. None of it is. My girl will pay me back when she gets paid the money she earns from working. There is not a thing she took for her friend than I couldn't replace if I just skipped a one paid "bust a nut" experience. It's great living a life where I have not only enough to take care of myself but I can be a "small time philanthropist". And even though I don't have a foundation with my name on it funded by millions or billions of dollar that I've earned in business, I can still help others whom I actually know live just a bit better if only for a day. And when I'm done, grab a Barcelo and hit the hooka. Life is good!
Always representing East Side!
Again, my goal here is to help encourage discussion for those of us who want more than a "wham bam thank you ma'am" on our travels to the DR, and really cultivate BFE / GFE experiences on our travels..When will you be in the DR again? It seems like we have similar philosophies and approaches. And we are both a little younger than most guys here. I am always looking for a wingman.
Took my #1 to the cine last night. Regular viewing 2 the: 400 DOP / each. Snacks: 550 DOP. Parking: 60 DOP.
Now you don't have to pay those sorts of numbers to see a movie in Santo Domingo / Santo Domingo este. I don't mind paying them. My money comes fast so that's how I spend it. But I happen to like the theater in Blue Mall better than all the others in the city. Unobstructed views from all parts of the theater. Reserved seating. Lazyboy type chairs that fully recline with a footrest. And a state of the art sound system. Last night four other people in the salon with us. It was like having a private viewing. They also have 2 IMAX screens. We went to see Black Panther on opening night a few weeks ago. The IMAX (with the glasses) experience was worth every peso!
There are some nice amenities on that side. I've read that they have 30 minute blooming onion delivery (from Outback). But, honestly I don't give a fuck about that! One of my favorite stores (PriceSmart) is just 2 weeks away from completion in Santo Domingo este. After they open, the only reason I'm going to have to cross the bridge anymore is for entertainment purposes. I've been to over half a dozen venues over there. One is a take out bar where every women in the place is available. The educator has turned me onto two more venues right in Zona Colonial. And I've got a lead on a new one right here in Santo Domingo este.
I have read opinions that Santo Domingo is not monger friendly. That the "golden age" has passed. Makes me laugh! Straight oyster thinking in my opinion. If you are a hunter with a moisture seeking warhead on your pussy penetrating missile then you are good. I got 99 problems. Hiring a prostitute in Santo Domingo is not one. And Santo Domingo has the advantage of being full of hard working girls that would just like a good time on their one day off. Of course if you are only here on vacation that might not meet your schedule for ball drainage. Santo Domingo / Santo Domingo este are real cities unlike the the puta pueblos of Sosua and Boca Chica and therefore offers many other activities that don't involve busting a nut. There is a reason why Sosua is filled with girls from the big cities, better market conditions.
Right now the V's are invading Santo Domingo. Lot's of them are taking service jobs. They are living in small places with 4 or 5 girls in the place. One of my boys met one in a bar / restaurant / car wash on San Ysidro. Invited her to his place. She asked if she could bring a friend. He told me that they rocked his world all night and into the morning. Actually had to kick them out at noon the next day. Not going to quote the gift of cash he gave them. But it was less than I've seen people being quoted in Sosua (for just one). If you don't know, now you know!
Santo Domingo is hard. Right!
What has changed in the world of girls is the smart phone. The smart phone gives a girl unlimited connectivity to the world no matter what her plight in life may be. This connectivity allow a average girl to be contacted much more than simple approaches in real life allow. One of the biggest differences between men in the Dominican Republic and men in the United States is the open society that allows you to approach girls at will. And approach is what Dominican guys do. They do it all day (and all night) and they do it well. In fact they do exactly the thing that old school guys from the United States decry as being unskilled. They play the numbers game.
All this bullshit about doing a proper interview and taking the time to get to know a girl before you invite her back to the room is a function of just being old, inflexible and unable to adapt to the new social ways of doing things. Now I know we all have different styles. And we should, because we are all different people. But if over the years if your methods and thinking processes do not change then all that time you have spent gathering experience is wasted. If you have reached the point in your life where you think you have nothing to learn from others, if you feel like you must give advice and have it followed in order to be validated, then that points to deep hole in your personality that is not going to be filled by traveling the world and fucking third world WGs.
Men in the arena don't need validation from others in order to attempt great things. They don't have a problem with being a failure at making the attempt. And they especially don't pay attention to those that are critical of them. Men in the arena handle their business. The best of those give back. And the rest, well they just remain in that place and shall forever be one of those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.
I learn more from new folks passing though Santo Domingo este / Santo Domingo than I have ever learned from the old school folks with their old school ways. And why not, the new generation is the next one. It will be the generation that saves us from the fuck ups we have made in our generation. The surgeon who fixes me will be younger than me and might even be female. My team of student doctors working on my dental issues is composed of two females and one male. Two of which speak English and is over seen by a female doctor who also speaks English. The one student who didn't speak English was kind of hanging back. During a time where everyone was trying to get the x-ray machine to take a good film (yes, it's not all digital here yet), I spoke to her in Spanish and she was amazed. I learned that she was from Cuba. Had grand plans for improving medical treatment in her country when she returns. And she had a great ass (even through those unflattering medical pants.)! But I digress, my team of doctors are suggesting work that no medical professional in the United States every took time to suggest. They took pictures of the problems and explained them too me. When they were computing the price of my work, they were a bit concerned about the price. But the price left me with a internal smile. With half down and the rest to be paid over the number of appointments the work would take to complete.
Cuban student doctor. Yes, she is part of my treatment team. We are not going on a date. But guys I know that travel to Cuba are not telling me about those types of girls, they are not hanging out with those types of girls. But I am! I'm regularly invited to parties full of medical students and doctors. I've got a friend married to doctor who has a sister-in-law as an attorney. That is my Dominican Republic. These are the types of girls old school people don't have access to because they can't communicate effectively with girls. You know those old school guys that only use a fist full of pesos in one hand and pocket full of condoms in the other to attract girls. Real talk!
Yes, I still have to deal with the motos driving on the wrong side of the street without lights, the lights going out and inconsistent, insanely slow internet. But instead of being in a puta pueblo and unable to hack it in a real city of the Dominican Republic. I'm a man in the arena! Who just happens to enjoy live to the fullest. I know where the rich folk at, I know where the 1000 DOP ho's at. Choose to believe it or not. I really don't give a fuck! No one can invalidate anyone else's experiences based on disbelief. And critics don't count.
Knowledge, Experience, Wisdom. There is nothing old school about it!
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Knowledge, Experience Wisdom. Nothing old school about it.
Take a donkey and put him on a cruise ship for a trip around the world. Show him all the exotic ports of call. Give him language training and cultural insights. And when you return to your home port what gets off the cruise ship: a donkey.
Thank you for reading my posts. Thank you for your participation in my blog (if only to hurl personal insults and rant like a girly man while failing to add any useful information).
Your post in my blog has me rolling on the floor laughing. Doesn't everybody have self love? Is it possible to fuck porn stars and prostitutes and have class? Does it define someone as has having no class?
It's possible to fuck both porn stars and prostitutes and be president in my county of origin. But you did get one thing right my man. I am not old school. Not even close.
Everybody has the right to their opinion. And thanks for validating everything I said in my post. You have chosen to be a critic. And you don't count. I learned long ago not to pay attention to your type. It is a long list of those that seem to populate the Dominican Republic forums and you have just added yourself to it. You think your personal views and those of the county are the only one that count. How many times do I have to read in your posts that you do not like casas? Why do you keep repeating yourself? So, if I like casas there is something wrong with me? Just one example of your narrow view on things.
Knowledge Experience Wisdom are not derived from time. It is derived from mental acuity. You missed the point of my post in it's entirety. When old school people get to the point where they are trashing the views of others simply because they are not the way THEY like to do things, they are showing that they have failed to develop the mental acuity needed to use all of the knowledge, experience and wisdom developed over the years. The are showing their closed minds and that they have lost the ability to learn from others. I've had more than one old school guy PM me in order to trash my ideas on both a personal and intellectual level. At least you had the testicular fortitude to do it in the open forum. I welcome it. Because personal insults are the last refuge of the intellectually bankrupt during a discussion based on logic and reason.
Ok, so fucking prostitutes is not worthy of high intellectual discussion. But when it comes to learning from the ideas of others what are old school people afraid of? I don't know you personally, but you have chosen to attack me on a personal level. Point out where I have provided factual information (and let me remind you that the purpose of sharing of information on women is in the founders statement) that is incorrect. Be a man in the arena, because critics do not count!
We can sit down over a good bottle of dominican rum, or just bottle of Brugal Blanco on ice at a colmado take hit of my hooka or new mig vapor and open your mind. It's the modern day peace pipe. Or you can continue to rant and rave at the changes brought on by young people and be left behind. Lift yourself up to a higher level. Or no because everybody is free to do what they like.
"17.5 same color T-shirt" who said it my man and what does it mean?
BTW, speaking of my haggling "skills", a 19 year old on Tinder, was okay coming to see me today from Pto Plata for 1200 pesos. She started at 2500 but I reminded her that I was not a rich gringo, and she quickly acquiesced! LOL.Mr. Tempoeorto, you are a serious man in the arena. You going hard on them. Who you representing? Throw up your sign. LOL!
I don't know about you but I couldn't live in DR without instant internet access to the outside world, banks, insurance companies, officina, familia. Instant access to schedules, transportation, chicas and no wasted time waiting around, or trying to hook up with friends and chicas. Wifi almost everywhere, bluetooth and Youtube for any kind of music you like! More hot water and A/C.You and me both brother! Old school people lament progress. Inflexible, binary, narrow minded, backwards thinking is the Achilles heel of those stuck in old school thought. Hey I know some old school people. They do what they do. But I don't waste my time talking to them or hanging out with them anymore. I'm completely lost without a speedy internet connection. Last night I was working with the Educator. We both trade in the FOREX markets. I'm on a serious roll and wanted to share some new insights and methods with him. I called the meeting of the minds at the McDonald's on Lincoln Ave. Not only does it have a speedy free (but unsecured) internet connection there were some big booty MILF's and young hotties up in there too. So there we are there (and we were not alone using the free WiFi) him with his laptop, and me with my iPad and both of us with our smart phones looking at the charts and doing analysis of the markets. Third world country my ass! Get out of your puta pueblos and check out what a real city in the Dominican Republic looks like.
For me personally things are better than ever in Sosua. I thought I was "old school". After my last long term relationship with a local, I leaned a lot, like how to set the ground rules from the beginning, stay in overall control of the relationship and budgets. It requires saying no, firmly and meaning it!, and being willing to walk if you have major differences of opinion! Training. It's not easy but when it works, it is great!Nothing "old school" at all about learning from your current experiences and sharing them with other. Visitors will never be able to understand the culture the way those that live here do. I'm I'm surprised at how much advice is offered by "old school" people that don't even live here to those that live here or even going as far to be critical of those that visit and choose not do do things the way they like. Advice is useless. Information is useful. And that's what I seek in my exchange with others that I have interacted with here. I feel the same way about Santo Domingo este. Things are better than ever for me here.
Lost 35 pounds, thanks to mi chica's home cooking, and encouragement. My fridge is always full of home made food so literally I only get to a resaurant about twice a week, But lots of Predidente Lite which agrees with me and seemingly I can drink with no loss of control, just a nice little buzz! Spent a long weekend with great local family campo up in the hills, and had the best time of my life! "Livin' the dream", as they say!Living the dream! That's right. Living the dream not looking at it from off shore through the "old school" paradigm (love that word). We are "all in" on the Dominican Republic. Not just 1 week or 1 month visitors who can't hack a few inconveniences and run back to their North American havens. "The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena".
Your experiences closely mirror mine. I've experienced many of the things you have written about. I've also experienced health improvements and home cooking. I have no need to be in a restaurant or on the street every night in order to validate myself or feel entertained. I've experienced going out into the country and enjoying the unique hospitality that Dominican country folk give you. I've also returned with a huge bounty of fresh fruits and vegetables. But more importantly I just love the sugar cane just cut from the field and fresh coffee directly from the country not processed by the large companies. There is much to be experienced in Republica Dominicana. It's more important to enjoy yourself while you are here than to slavishly adhere to someone else antiquated version of how they should live their life or even spend time on their vacation.
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