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Agreed. Rating system should include customer reviews that cover not only general attitude but specific acts as well. I like the multiple choice system Croc suggests.I agree with one exception, and that is the inclusion of BBFS. I don't think it is fair to pin down the girls on this owing to the possibility the girl finds the customer has indications of STDs or open sores. In such a case should the girl be penalized if she backs out on doing this? I suppose the inclusion of GFE can serve as a weak indicator of whether BBFS is available. If GFE is not included as one of the services provided, it is pretty sure (but not certain) BBFS is off the menu. OTOH, if GFE is included on the menu, it is anyone's guess.
Franciscass
01-18-18, 12:01
I'll post this here as a continuation of a conversation on PSE versus GFE and how they should be listed on an escorts profile.
If the escort lists PSE on her profile I believe it should be broken down further and at a minimum include the specific services I mentioned. There then should be no confusion I. E. A+ is A+, CIM means CIM. What can't be described but is hugely important is attitude, expertise and overall enthusiasm.
On GFE kissing and cuddling can be listed on her profile but the affection that for me is needed for a true GFE is so individually unique to each girl and indeed each situation that it will only be known whether it exists or not after spending time with her. No way of telling from a profile what she considers as a GFE.
So yes as much detailed information as possible should be shown on profiles but other than an actual booking customer reviews are by far the best source of knowing what the service is like and even here these as we all know can be highly subjective.
I don't use escorts but I visit oilies and occasionally soapies. I have my "known quantity" favorites but I like checking new situations. There are duds out there for sure but after some 20 years here I have found lowering your expectations, ordering a beer for both of you, being of good cheer, and respecting the girl almost always makes a for a good time even if sometimes she delivers less than what I may initially have wished for.
I agree with one exception, and that is the inclusion of BBFS. I don't think it is fair to pin down the girls on this owing to the possibility the girl finds the customer has indications of STDs or open sores. In such a case should the girl be penalized if she backs out on doing this? I suppose the inclusion of GFE can serve as a weak indicator of whether BBFS is available. If GFE is not included as one of the services provided, it is pretty sure (but not certain) BBFS is off the menu. OTOH, if GFE is included on the menu, it is anyone's guess.I did a quick survey of some Smooci girls who now claim to provide GFE, PSE or both earlier today and discovered something very interesting; none of the half dozen or so girls I checked also say they provide GFE, PSE or both on their original escort service website profiles. In fact, none of the escort service websites related to those girls even include the option to check or cite GFE or PSE. Which, from what I recall, is not the way things were in the fairly recent past, like within the past 2-3 years. It seems to me almost all of the popular Bangkok escort services used to include the terms GFE and/or PSE in their check list of services offered and almost all of the girls on those websites claimed they provided one or both of them. Does anyone else remember that or am I mis-remembering it?
The way it relates to your post here, LA Guy 5, and why I am replying to it this way is because I am wondering if it is now more accepted than it generally has been over the past 20 years or so that GFE and/or PSE are, indeed, more likely as not "code" for BBFS being on the table and up for negotiation. I mean, there must be a reason all those escort services dropped those terms from the girls' offerings and why so few of their girls on Smooci have so far included the terms in their profiles. Is it because all too often when customers saw GFE or PSE, they hit up every girl claiming it for BBFS and the girls just got tired of the arguments that ensued? When you filter out for each term on Smooci, the number of girls claiming they offer them is reduced quite dramatically, by 50% or more for GFE and by around 70% for PSE. That just doesn't sound right if most of the girls think (and believe the customers think) it only means either being a bit more affectionate and sweet or less connected and driven than many customers typically experience with a Thai P4P girl. But it does make sense if the girls think (and believe most customers would think) it has something to do with adding a service as substantially more involved as putting BBFS on the table for negotiation.
Just my humble opinion, of course. Maybe someone in the know about why so many popular Bangkok escort service websites eliminated the terms GFE and PSE from their list of offerings from the girls. I did see a couple of essay type testimonials on those escort websites from customers reporting that they enjoyed a "GFE" with this or that girl. But, as usual, there was no clear description of exactly what that meant to them with regard to being so different from what almost any other Thai P4P experience would provide.
Franciscass
01-19-18, 04:14
I agree with one exception, and that is the inclusion of BBFS. I don't think it is fair to pin down the girls on this owing to the possibility the girl finds the customer has indications of STDs or open sores. In such a case should the girl be penalized if she backs out on doing this? I suppose the inclusion of GFE can serve as a weak indicator of whether BBFS is available. If GFE is not included as one of the services provided, it is pretty sure (but not certain) BBFS is off the menu. OTOH, if GFE is included on the menu, it is anyone's guess.Irrespective of whether GFE or PSE is listed to avoid any confusion it should be clearly shown on her profile when BBFS is not available. Some customers seem to require this more than any other service and when it's expected but not available it can cause friction.
Personally I truly believe it's irresponsible for either party to engage in casual unprotected sex for the obvious health issues involved but hey what goes on between consenting adults etc etc.
Crocodilexp
01-19-18, 09:07
I agree with one exception, and that is the inclusion of BBFS. I don't think it is fair to pin down the girls on this owing to the possibility the girl finds the customer has indications of STDs or open sores. In such a case should the girl be penalized if she backs out on doing this? There are always exceptional circumstances. The girl is still free to refuse any service, for whatever reason, checking the box on the website is not an absolute guarantee. That's precisely why customer reviews matter. If there are a few dozen reviews, the girl won't be penalized for a single refusal.
As for BBFS (or even more, BBA+), there's a decent argument to be made that it shouldn't be on the menu at all since working girls should never be encouraged to engage in unsafe activities with high risk to their health (note that HIV transmission is much higher male-to-female than the other way around). On the other hand, it's a fact of life that some girls offer it, but maybe it's better not to explicitly call it out on the profile, giving the girls a bit more leeway to refuse it.
The way it relates to your post here, LA Guy 5, and why I am replying to it this way is because I am wondering if it is now more accepted than it generally has been over the past 20 years or so that GFE and/or PSE are, indeed, more likely as not "code" for BBFS being on the table and up for negotiation. I mean, there must be a reason all those escort services dropped those terms from the girls' offerings and why so few of their girls on Smooci have so far included the terms in their profiles. Is it because all too often when customers saw GFE or PSE, they hit up every girl claiming it for BBFS and the girls just got tired of the arguments that ensued? Yes absolutely. Makes a lot of sense to drop GFE and PSE terms off, if are regularly misinterpreted to mean BBFS. To me GFE means apparent enthusiasm, including kissing and even perhaps letting herself go. So generally indistinguishable from a real GF, possibly better, with exception that condom might be required. PSE tends to mean things like CIM and anal and full on wild activities, perhaps extra stamina, accepts large cock, but not necessarily BBFS. Just my view of it.
Just because a girl provides pretty great service, does not mean she wishes to risk catching an STD, vaginal warts, Thrush, etc. , from any guy just met of unknown hygiene standards. Gonnoreah and Chlamydia are still pretty common, but less likely caught from BB oral. Can't agree with Crocodile's "exceptional circumstances" if needed to back out of BBFS. However looks like he did not mean it to apply to BBFS. Educated sensible girls surely are not trusting every customer, so easily.
I like BBFS a lot myself, but does not mean I expect to get it, and I am selective who I risk it with, and when. I am not trying to get it with every low class girl. Can't afford to give the long time GF a dose of something. That would not be nice, and hard to estimate the Psychological damage. Meanwhile Okamoto 003 condoms are giving me pretty good feeling such that it is hard to accept any other thicker condoms right now. I don't return to Durex. These condoms are smallish (Japan size LOL) so not easiest to get on, but they do stretch well and seem quite thin. So go on OK with the right stretching action (and tend to stay on). I have tried Sagami but the non stretching Polyurethane, that is not smooth (has wrinkles), does not work well for me.
If girl insists on using her own condoms, that is deal breaker for me. I could have very low feeling with bad thick condoms or too tight condoms.
Franciscass
01-20-18, 03:32
Usually a profile will list what's available and so by omission if it's not mentioned it's not available.
That said even though some will agree to it I don't think I've ever seen BBFS listed on a profile on Smooci, Backpage, Craiglist or any other site.
Makes me feel that most working girls know this is really a dangerous practice they should not be involved in and those that do don't want it known publicly.
While recognizing with some girls there is possibly ignorance of the risks involved and for others the temptation of the extra money is difficult to walk away from I believe BBFS is an unnecessary risk for both partners.
Sounds a bit preachy I know but we're talking about some real sad outcomes here when things go wrong.
Yes absolutely. Makes a lot of sense to drop GFE and PSE terms off, if are regularly misinterpreted to mean BBFS. To me GFE means apparent enthusiasm, including kissing and even perhaps letting herself go. So generally indistinguishable from a real GF, possibly better, with exception that condom might be required. PSE tends to mean things like CIM and anal and full on wild activities, perhaps extra stamina, accepts large cock, but not necessarily BBFS. Just my view of it.
While many popular Bangkok escort service websites do not currently include the terms GFE or PSE in the check list of services offered by their girls (although I seem to recall that virtually all of them used to do so and those terms, whatever they meant to the girls, were more often than not cited by each of the girls as being services on offer), German FKK Club Tour ads, an adventure I have never tried, including the one that appears regularly on this site, are not shy about shouting "GIRL FRIEND EXPERIENCE" as a headline feature of their business.
After clicking on the "GIRL FRIEND EXPERIENCE" headlined ad, and then clicking on Read More or What is an FKK Club? option for the overview of the service, this is what I found they have to say about the term "GFE" as used in their ad headline:
The term "GFE", or Girl Friend Experience, is common in German FKK clubs. Kissing is standard as well as GFE services without the same barriers one expects from a stranger.On the one hand, "kissing" is the only specific act mentioned and that does fit in with what many men mention as a qualifying "GFE" even when the thought of BBFS is nowhere in mind. On the other hand, I would put that allusion to "GFE services without the same barriers one expects from a stranger" as a rather overt code phrase for BBFS. And the overall description of what a German FKK is all about, apparently a kind of nudist camp where only the women are prancing around nude and you can enlist one or more at a time to engage in all sorts of sports and recreational activities that probably evolve into group sexual encounters before the first glimpse of the windmill on a miniature golf course, does not exactly sound like the more sweetly affectionate and deeply connected emotionally vibe that defines the term for some as not being at all about BBFS.
So I have to think that with that kind of headline shouting about a "GIRL FRIEND EXPERIENCE" as it appears in that ad on the internet, rather blatantly, imo, implying that the term is about the removal of "barriers" as one would expect with a real Girl Friend rather than a stranger, that is a strong indication that the term might be returning to the meaning I remember it had in the P4P trade a couple of decades+ ago. At least as far as Germans and anyone else so influenced by ads like that are concerned. And maybe those were the customers Bangkok escort service girls began to run into more often than before that triggered the removal of the terms from their website service offering lists.
There are always exceptional circumstances. The girl is still free to refuse any service, for whatever reason, checking the box on the website is not an absolute guarantee. That's precisely why customer reviews matter. If there are a few dozen reviews, the girl won't be penalized for a single refusal.
As for BBFS (or even more, BBA+), there's a decent argument to be made that it shouldn't be on the menu at all since working girls should never be encouraged to engage in unsafe activities with high risk to their health (note that HIV transmission is much higher male-to-female than the other way around). On the other hand, it's a fact of life that some girls offer it, but maybe it's better not to explicitly call it out on the profile, giving the girls a bit more leeway to refuse it.I generally agree with you although if one fell back entirely on the exceptional circumstances argument to justify a girl who states in her profile she provides BBFS not doing so in a particular case, one could expect some pretty untoward incidents to result, in addition to some unfair ratings. I doubt you disagree.
Everyone has to assess the amount of risk they are willing to take, but I have often said to friends if I were one of the girls, I would have to be crazy to offer BBFS to the customers. The risk calculus is different for the customer (being male) but there is no doubt there are some substantial risks, perhaps these days more related to antibiotic resistant STDs than HIV.
Irrespective of whether GFE or PSE is listed to avoid any confusion it should be clearly shown on her profile when BBFS is not available. Some customers seem to require this more than any other service and when it's expected but not available it can cause friction.
Personally I truly believe it's irresponsible for either party to engage in casual unprotected sex for the obvious health issues involved but hey what goes on between consenting adults etc etc.The problem with stating BBFS is not available, is if this were common then not stating that it is not available would essentially be the same as stating BBFS is available. It is probably better not to raise the issue in the profile at all.
I generally agree with you although if one fell back entirely on the exceptional circumstances argument to justify a girl who states in her profile she provides BBFS not doing so in a particular case, one could expect some pretty untoward incidents to result, in addition to some unfair ratings. I doubt you disagree.
Everyone has to assess the amount of risk they are willing to take, but I have often said to friends if I were one of the girls, I would have to be crazy to offer BBFS to the customers. The risk calculus is different for the customer (being male) but there is no doubt there are some substantial risks, perhaps these days more related to antibiotic resistant STDs than HIV.Raw is War in commercial sex. This is the fundamental and unspoken rules.
Yet many still like to take the unnecessary risk. When own self gets it.
Will start to blame the girl, the agency and the many other but own self.
Own self is never wrong, the wrong is always the others.
Franciscass
01-21-18, 05:32
The problem with stating BBFS is not available, is if this were common then not stating that it is not available would essentially be the same as stating BBFS is available. It is probably better not to raise the issue in the profile at all.Agreed listing what's not available is impractical. How about in listing what is available she includes CFS.
Hey guys,
If I liked the escort and decided to go from ST to LT after she reached my hotel. Do I need to top up the different between ST and LT, or I need to pay LT money on top of ST money?
Thanks guys.This was in the Escort section but it hit upon a question I had. If I'm super pleased with the looks of the girl who shows up and assuming she's free after doing the 2 hour session that I book, what if I want to extend the booking for another hour or two? There should be an option to extend the session by simply picking adding time on the app vs having to contact the agency.
Member #4698
01-21-18, 21:10
This was in the Escort section but it hit upon a question I had. If I'm super pleased with the looks of the girl who shows up and assuming she's free after doing the 2 hour session that I book, what if I want to extend the booking for another hour or two? There should be an option to extend the session by simply picking adding time on the app vs having to contact the agency.Why contact anyone? Assuming the girl has no other engagements, it seems to me she is free to do whatever she wants to do for the remainder of the night. So I am pretty sure certain arrangements can be made if both parties agree. It depends on the guy, the girl, and the circumstances. Some girls may not want to go around their escort agency especially with a 1st time customer, but other girls will have no problem doing that.
These are just my thoughts on the subject based on my experience with working girls from other venues. I have never done a dial up escort in my life. No, wait, I have done 141 dot com hotel reservation girls in HKG. You see the girl's picture on the 141 web site, call her manager (ha ha), make an appointment, and he tells you what hotel to go to where the girl is staying. Once you arrive at the hotel, you call the manager again, he puts you on hold while he calls the girl to make sure she is available, he then tells you her room number and up you go.
I had some good times with a few 141 Chinese, Korean and real Japanese girls this way. But the HKG scene is very different from BKK. In HKG, the bar action is very expensive and honestly not that great for quality lookers. Hence almost the need for high quality 141 dot com hotel reservation girls.
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While recognizing with some girls there is possibly ignorance of the risks involved and for others the temptation of the extra money is difficult to walk away from I believe BBFS is an unnecessary risk for both partners.
Sounds a bit preachy I know but we're talking about some real sad outcomes here when things go wrong.BBFS is a necessary risk for those of us who intend to engage in P4P sex including FS but who cannot finish wearing a condom.
Yes, it is a bit preachy in the sense that it is drawn from our Western moral judgment regarding sex rather than easily observable reality; there are all kinds of occupations where the practitioner takes extraordinary risk, I would submit more likely and greater risk to life and limb than Thai P4P girls who sometimes engage in BBFS. Yet we pass by them on a daily basis and scarcely give a moment's pause of concern about it. Construction workers, motorcycle taxi drivers, long haul truck drivers, the lady who stands over a smoking bbq pit for hours at a time almost every day of her life, bartenders, Lady Drink hustlers, hell even restaurant servers and bank tellers who handle money given to them by customers and then rub their noses with their hand before washing with soap and water probably get sick more often than most P4P girls, even those who regularly engage in BBFS and not just occasionally.
And if one wants to protect himself from whatever negative outcome befalls a P4P girl who chooses to engage in BBFS with some customers, the fix is easy and well-known; wear a condom yourself and, if engaging in FS and finishing is impossible while wearing a condom but your worry of risk is greater than your worry of living the rest of your life without enjoying BBFS with a P4P girl, then skip FS with those girls and do something else.
Agreed listing what's not available is impractical. How about in listing what is available she includes CFS.I have seen escort service websites where the girls state "Full Service (protected)" or something like that. At least, I used to. Which might have made the other services offered and mentioned in those days of "GFE" and "PSE" without the word "(protected)" next to them even more likely to be taken as meaning BBFS is on the table for negotiation. Don't know.
Of course, the girl could still list all of them as "Full Service (protected)", "GFE (protected)", "PSE (protected)" and so on. But I am guessing even the girl would suspect her bookings would dry up to near zero rather quickly if she sprinkled her list of offerings with that many "(protected)"s all over the place. Hazmat suit to fit all sizes issued in the lobby.
Franciscass
01-22-18, 04:19
BBFS is a necessary risk for those of us who intend to engage in P4P sex including FS but who cannot finish wearing a condom.
Yes, it is a bit preachy in the sense that it is drawn from our Western moral judgment regarding sex rather than easily observable reality; there are all kinds of occupations where the practitioner takes extraordinary risk, I would submit more likely and greater risk to life and limb than Thai P4P girls who sometimes engage in BBFS. Yet we pass by them on a daily basis and scarcely give a moment's pause of concern about it. Construction workers, motorcycle taxi drivers, long haul truck drivers, the lady who stands over a smoking bbq pit for hours at a time almost every day of her life, bartenders, Lady Drink hustlers, hell even restaurant servers and bank tellers who handle money given to them by customers and then rub their noses with their hand before washing with soap and water probably get sick more often than most P4P girls, even those who regularly engage in BBFS and not just occasionally.
And if one wants to protect himself from whatever negative outcome befalls a P4P girl who chooses to engage in BBFS with some customers, the fix is easy and well-known; wear a condom yourself and, if engaging in FS and finishing is impossible while wearing a condom but your worry of risk is greater than your worry of living the rest of your life without enjoying BBFS with a P4P girl, then skip FS with those girls and do something else.I totally support and respect the right of consenting adults to freely engage in whatever they want to even when it goes against the grain of common sense health issues. That's their choice.
Not being able to pop with a condom on is a bummer, you have my symphony but I don't get the argument it's about "Western moral judgment regarding sex rather than easily observable reality."
Sure there are risks involved in everyday life, hell crossing the street in Bangkok is most likely more dangerous than having unprotected sex.
I guess for me it comes down not so much to the risk the customer is taking because it's his need and his choice that creates the situation but rather for the girl who may not be as informed as to the consequences when things go awry and yes the unfortunate observable reality is that they can and do go awry with sad outcomes both in the East and in the West.
This was in the Escort section but it hit upon a question I had. If I'm super pleased with the looks of the girl who shows up and assuming she's free after doing the 2 hour session that I book, what if I want to extend the booking for another hour or two? There should be an option to extend the session by simply picking adding time on the app vs having to contact the agency.In most cases you can just discuss this directly with the companion and negoitiate an extension fee. The Smooci platform only creates the initial connection and we have no problem with clients extending their booking outside of SMooci or contacting the companion or agency directly to make another booking.
An escort is probably one of the worst persons to have BBFS with.
Most are left for themselves, and have never actually seen anyone from their agency in person.
With a bargirl at least there's a boss, who in theory should put some responsibility on the girls to get tested.
The "our girls are tested every month" statements on the escort sites is pure horseshit. (Source: escorts).
So be cautious.
I have seen escort service websites where the girls state "Full Service (protected)" or something like that. At least, I used to. Which might have made the other services offered and mentioned in those days of "GFE" and "PSE" without the word "(protected)" next to them even more likely to be taken as meaning BBFS is on the table for negotiation. Don't know.
Of course, the girl could still list all of them as "Full Service (protected)", "GFE (protected)", "PSE (protected)" and so on. But I am guessing even the girl would suspect her bookings would dry up to near zero rather quickly if she sprinkled her list of offerings with that many "(protected)"s all over the place. Hazmat suit to fit all sizes issued in the lobby.I think many have change the terms for own self's sake.
Full service is all the standard service from kissing, BJ to FJ. It never ever means BBFS from first day.
GFE is the escort giving the effect of girlfriend and not much commercial feels. Not just on bed but also during outing. It never ever means BBFS from first day.
PSE is the escort able to perform like or similar like a pornstar which means more on the wild side. It never ever means BBFG from first day.
Even in Porn flicks, some porn stars still wear caps on casts.
Seriously what I see some of the comments on these abbreviations issue, just let me giggle off. How on earth one will think GFE and PSE and Full service will means the escort can do BBFS.
I think many have change the terms for own self's sake.
Full service is all the standard service from kissing, BJ to FJ. It never ever means BBFS from first day.
GFE is the escort giving the effect of girlfriend and not much commercial feels. Not just on bed but also during outing. It never ever means BBFS from first day.
PSE is the escort able to perform like or similar like a pornstar which means more on the wild side. It never ever means BBFG from first day.
Even in Porn flicks, some porn stars still wear caps on casts.
Seriously what I see some of the comments on these abbreviations issue, just let me giggle off. How on earth one will think GFE and PSE and Full service will means the escort can do BBFS.Because my international mongering days did not begin during or after the HIV hysteria era. It began more than 40 years ago when Girl Friend Experience was more generally understood to mean Bare Back sex. And I maintain there is still a tendency to see it that way in many parts of the world. Did you ever click on the flashing ad on the first page of this website where the headline feature being touted is "GIRL FRIEND EXPERIENCE"? Please quote the passage in that service's overview that describes "GFE" as far as their business model is concerned being closer to what you claim it is rather than what I quoted from it in an earlier post, which I believe is rather overt code wording for Bare Back sex.
Now that you have given us your near meaningless definitions for them (I'm betting there are many, many times more examples of Bare Back Anal Sex in porn than men donning condoms for vaginal sex. And "the effect of a girlfriend"? Well, I guess that settles it, nothing to do with Bare Back Sex there. Lol) are you now saying your definitions for those terms ought to be accepted and appear on the Smooci site to clarify what the girls are suggesting when they include the terms "GFE" and "PSE" in their list of services provided?
In case you missed it, that is the primary reason the rest of us are posting about this topic here at this time; because the owner of Smooci asked us to comment on and address the fact that those terms are so subjective and do not mean anything particularly specific that he is even on the fence about including them at all.
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GFE is the escort giving the effect of girlfriend and not much commercial feels. Not just on bed but also during outing. It never ever means BBFS from first day.
PSE is the escort able to perform like or similar like a pornstar which means more on the wild side....
I don't think GFE and PSE aren't mutually exclusive. You can have both at the same time.
GFE contains the word 'Friend' in it. And that's what its main meaning is. The lady treats you like her friend and provides good companionship for you. There might be sex in it too. But I think it's possible to have GFE even when there is no sex in it.
And PSE has the word 'Porn' in it. And that's what its main meaning is. It means that the lady is really good in bed with you, so good that you could film it and have a reasonably good porn movie.
And of course it's possible to have a girlfriend, who is really good in bed with you. And that's when you have both GFE and PSE at the same time. I'd say that this is probably the ideal for most guys, rather than just one or the other.
Of course, people have different sexual interests, desires, and habits. Which means that guys and women aren't always compatible with each other. And that's why guys might disagree whether their sexual experience with the lady was good or bad.
If you want something from the lady that she isn't willing to give you, then this might leave you dissatisfied. But many other guys might be totally happy with her as far as their sexual experience goes, because they are compatible with the lady in terms of their wants and desires.
Guys and women need to be compatible with each other for GFE and PSE to work. Which means that such experiences depend on both you and the lady. It's not something the lady can provide entirely on her own. She can try. But there is no guarantee that you will be compatible with her this way.
That's why I say that you should describe your experience with the lady in detail, rather than just use abbreviations such as GFE and PSE. Because your description tells everybody exactly what the lady is like. But your GFE and PSE abbreviations are inexact terms that can mean different things to different people.
but rather for the girl who may not be as informed as to the consequences when things go awry and yes the unfortunate observable reality is that they can and do go awry with sad outcomes both in the East and in the West.Yep, I'm not a big fan of condoms myself but BBFS from an escort you've never met is risky, and even though I have done it myself a few times, I try not to take that risk.
I fully understand why the girls wouldn't want to offer it, especially to guys they have never met. If they get knocked up they are pretty much screwed for the rest of their lives. No more 3,000 baht short time for them, it's 1,000 baht. You don't need to read too many post to see how many guys are put off by stretch marks and see-scars. It's not as though they can offer BBFS to a lot of guys and then go looking for them for child support.
I read that the term GFE has never meant sex acts without a condom but only a certain attitude that conveyed a simulated girlfriend "effect", even though I sure remember a time when it did fairly widely, and that it should not be mistaken for such a thing today either. So I don't know how that squares with what a Western European P4P FKK service advertising this very day on several websites (see my previous post referencing it) is strongly suggesting the term means and what a NYC brothel apparently intended it to mean with their South Korean ladies less than two years ago:
www.thedailybeast.com/nyc-brothel-customer-the-feds-now-have-your-number
I bring this up to point out why many men from those and other parts of the world might naturally assume the inclusion of that term and the term PSE means BBFS is at least on the table for negotiation with a girl who says she provides them.
Franciscass
01-23-18, 14:22
Yep, I'm not a big fan of condoms myself but BBFS from an escort you've never met is risky, and even though I have done it myself a few times, I try not to take that risk.
I fully understand why the girls wouldn't want to offer it, especially to guys they have never met. If they get knocked up they are pretty much screwed for the rest of their lives. No more 3,000 baht short time for them, it's 1,000 baht. You don't need to read too many post to see how many guys are put off by stretch marks and see-scars. It's not as though they can offer BBFS to a lot of guys and then go looking for them for child support.With respect I suggest the issue is not unwanted pregnancy although that happens a lot with younger Thai girls and their first sexual experience with usually local Thai lads.
When they become working girls and are willing to go BB they most likely take some form of contraception.
The issue it seems to me are STD's some of which while treatable are not curable and involve a life on medication.
Franciscass
01-23-18, 14:36
I read that the term GFE has never meant sex acts without a condom but only a certain attitude that conveyed a simulated girlfriend "effect", even though I sure remember a time when it did fairly widely, and that it should not be mistaken for such a thing today either. So I don't know how that squares with what a Western European P4P FKK service advertising this very day on several websites (see my previous post referencing it) is strongly suggesting the term means and what a NYC brothel apparently intended it to mean with their South Korean ladies less than two years ago:
www.thedailybeast.com/nyc-brothel-customer-the-feds-now-have-your-number
I bring this up to point out why many men from those and other parts of the world might naturally assume the inclusion of that term and the term PSE means BBFS is at least on the table for negotiation with a girl who says she provides them.ET sorry to disagree but it's really a stretch to suggest GFE is synonymous with BBFS.
Obviously in a true relationship with your girlfriend the likelihood is that unless she is trying to become pregnant she will use contraception and both of you know each other well enough to know neither has a communicable disease.
Paying a working girl to simulate a GFE essentially means she will kiss and cuddle and there will be a semblance of what passes for affection but the bottom is, it is not real she is not your girlfriend.
If anything PSE which is far more real in execution than GFE could include BBFS because as anybody who watches porn can attest to condoms are rarely used at least in the genre I'm addicted to.
ET sorry to disagree but it's really a stretch to suggest GFE is synonymous with BBFS.I think I have been very conscientious about not asserting that the term GFE is synonymous with BBFS these days in Thailand.
But if you disagree that the term GFE could naturally be taken to mean that BBFS is at least on the table for negotiation with P4P girls who claim to offer it virtually anywhere in the world then you'll have to explain how someone would miss the connection between that term and sex without the usual "barriers", as it is described in the ad that appears on sites like this one and between that term and the report on men in NYC paying premium rates in a brothel to engage in "sex acts without a condom" with the South Korean prostitutes working there.
Excuse me, but I just think many posters on these threads live in a strange bubble where they think this historic and contemporary connection between the two is something I have conjured up in a fever dream or something. LOL.
I suspect most Thai P4P girls are hit up for BBFS often enough anyway. But the percentage of girls claiming online to offer GFE (and, yes, PSE of course), or rather back when more of them actually did make that claim, must be significantly higher still.
That being the case, you should know that is what will happen via Smooci as well unless someone has a brilliant idea about clarifying it. Lol. And so far every time I have challenged someone who posts that it is only about an attitude to recommend their definition be stated on Smooci (since he asked for such suggestions), they have not stepped up and said Yes. Maybe it doesn't really concern us what the terms mean all that much in the first place.
I read that the term GFE has never meant sex acts without a condom but only a certain attitude that conveyed a simulated girlfriend "effect", even though I sure remember a time when it did fairly widely, and that it should not be mistaken for such a thing today either. So I don't know how that squares with what a Western European P4P FKK service advertising this very day on several websites (see my previous post referencing it) is strongly suggesting the term means and what a NYC brothel apparently intended it to mean with their South Korean ladies less than two years ago:
www.thedailybeast.com/nyc-brothel-customer-the-feds-now-have-your-number
I bring this up to point out why many men from those and other parts of the world might naturally assume the inclusion of that term and the term PSE means BBFS is at least on the table for negotiation with a girl who says she provides them.Your Western European P4 P FKK example needs to be understood in context. Until a new law was passed in Germany prohibiting it, Germany had numerous AO clubs, I. E. , clubs where condoms were optional and usually not used and where their ads so indicated (certain agencies and freelancers advertised this way as well). BBFS in commercial sex is now illegal in Germany and cannot be advertised as such. Accordingly, "AO girls" need some way of conveying they are willing to go without a condom, and I would guess "GFE" may have become the way to do it. I cannot say this is what GFE means universally in Germany, but I suspect it often means that.
But as just mentioned, Germany is a special case owing to its history of AO clubs and the new law prohibiting them.
As to the Asian massage places referenced in the Daily Beast article, it states these places offer "premium-priced" girlfriend experiences. I don't know whether this means one pays extra (premium priced) for a GFE, but if that is correct the paying extra part might be a reliable indicator the GFE is premium priced. If the Smooci website indicated a surcharge for GFE, then, and only then, would it be reasonable to expect GFE included BBFS.
Your Western European P4 P FKK example needs to be understood in context. Until a new law was passed in Germany prohibiting it, Germany had numerous AO clubs, I. E. , clubs where condoms were optional and usually not used and where their ads so indicated (certain agencies and freelancers advertised this way as well). BBFS in commercial sex is now illegal in Germany and cannot be advertised as such. Accordingly, "AO girls" need some way of conveying they are willing to go without a condom, and I would guess "GFE" may have become the way to do it. I cannot say this is what GFE means universally in Germany, but I suspect it often means that.
But as just mentioned, Germany is a special case owing to its history of AO clubs and the new law prohibiting them.
As to the Asian massage places referenced in the Daily Beast article, it states these places offer "premium-priced" girlfriend experiences. I don't know whether this means one pays extra (premium priced) for a GFE, but if that is correct the paying extra part might be a reliable indicator the GFE is premium priced. If the Smooci website indicated a surcharge for GFE, then, and only then, would it be reasonable to expect GFE included BBFS.I would agree that if there was a surcharge for GFE with girls listed on Smooci that would go further to defining those terms as genuinely offering something more as far as the girl is concerned. In other words, that at least would tell us that the girl understands she can't just check that box and claim she provides an additional service unless she is prepared to deliver something tangibly more than merely not being an aloof starfish all during the session. Not without risking a lower Star Rating for not really delivering anything extra, that is. But I don't agree that many customers wouldn't reasonably expect girls claiming it, even without the surcharge, are suggesting they are up for at least negotiating BBFS.
For example, your description of German clubs "where condoms were optional and usually not used" now being illegal so the term "GFE" is rather obviously their code term of choice for working around the law did not indicate that going without a condom required a surcharge, only that wearing one was optional. And I don't see anywhere in their current description of the "GFE" their girls offer requiring a surcharge or buying into a higher priced package. So anyone familiar with that advertised feature would certainly connect the term "GFE" with having BBFS on offer or as an option without having to pay a surcharge. Why would Thailand's P4P industry be so different? Moreover, the fact that so many Thai P4P girls do not merely check the box that is supposedly mostly only saying she will smile and try to be more pleasant with you during the session already strongly suggests many of them know it means something quite a bit more than that, imo.
P.S. - It looks like this is all just an academic discussion now because, after checking, I see that neither term, GFE or PSE, appears on the Smooci site option list anymore. They have gone the way they went on almost every other popular escort-related website in the recent past; bye-bye. Feedback from the girls or their original escort agency? Realizing how at least the term GFE is being used in other P4P venues around the world? Our discussion here? Down for maintenance on the terms to provide more information or to add a surcharge to them?
Who knows. Maybe Smooci App will let us know some day.
Franciscass
01-24-18, 08:12
I think I have been very conscientious about not asserting that the term GFE is synonymous with BBFS these days in Thailand.Actually ET it is precisely because you are connecting the two that this discussion is taking place.
True you not saying GFE automatically includes BBFS but you definitely are suggesting a tangible link and contend when listed on a profile it's more likely to be on the table for negotiation.
Because of your issues with condoms you obviously have more experience than I have and if it's your experience that when GFE is listed you have a better chance of getting BB then who am I to disagree.
ET sorry to disagree but it's really a stretch to suggest GFE is synonymous with BBFS....
If anything PSE which is far more real in execution than GFE could include BBFS because as anybody who watches porn can attest to condoms are rarely used at least in the genre I'm addicted to.I'd like to point out that porn-stars in real porn get tested thoroughly for all kinds of STD's, before they have any kind of bareback sex. And it's not just the women who get tested. Guys get tested just as much as women.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/05/19/std.protection.ep/index.html
In a P4P type of situation, there is no requirement at all for guys to get tested, before they go to see the lady. Which is a really good reason for the lady to say a big 'No' to bareback sex with you, even when she is providing a Porn Star Experience for you.
Risking her health and her life for some money that won't last long doesn't make sense for any P4P lady at all, no matter what kind of experience she is providing for you. It's total nonsense to ask the lady to do it bareback with you. Some ladies might agree to do it anyway. But the lady must be either ignorant or desperate to do something like this.
If you guys at Smooci are looking for a great format as to what the gal does and does not do; pattern it after the gal's pages at Devil's Den in Pattaya. It spells it out clearly. The customer will know exactly what to expect and not to expect. I wish all shops were that specific.
I'd like to point out that porn-stars in real porn get tested thoroughly for all kinds of STD's, before they have any kind of bareback sex. And it's not just the women who get tested. Guys get tested just as much as women.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/05/19/std.protection.ep/index.html
In a P4P type of situation, there is no requirement at all for guys to get tested, before they go to see the lady. Which is a really good reason for the lady to say a big 'No' to bareback sex with you, even when she is providing a Porn Star Experience for you.
Risking her health and her life for some money that won't last long doesn't make sense for any P4P lady at all, no matter what kind of experience she is providing for you. It's total nonsense to ask the lady to do it bareback with you. Some ladies might agree to do it anyway. But the lady must be either ignorant or desperate to do something like this.Customers who want BBFS can get tested too and always have a result document to show the girl if she wants to see it. I do.
This obviously would have to be hiv viral load test instead of aids test. The girl may not know that?
Customers who want BBFS can get tested too and always have a result document to show the girl if she wants to see it. I do.One scenario.
Today you checked and cleared and go with a lady who allow BBFS, and all went well. Deal done.
Lata in the night, you go again with another lady who allow BBFS and in fact she is affected with something or whatever. Deal done and finished.
3 days you want to book a lady and ask for BBFS and you told her, yeah no problem I have it, just cleared myself 3 days days ago and show her the card.
Then she kind of agree and the session went tru as you planned.
So outcome you were infected by the previous lady and assume you ownself are clear and pass on to others.
Good scenario isn't it?
Customers who want BBFS can get tested too and always have a result document to show the girl if she wants to see it. I do.Yesterday results card can't prove today one is clear of anything.
To be more safer side, cap on in commercial sex. Save the raw session to your own permanent partners.
Play with responsibility mate.
Franciscass
01-28-18, 06:10
This obviously would have to be hiv viral load test instead of aids test. The girl may not know that?There have been advances in reducing the "window period" I. E. The period within which a person can be infected and thereby infectious and when it shows positive on a test. Presently the quickest is Early (NAAT / RNA) which detects virus ten to 12 days after infection in about 90% of cases.
What this means is a negative HIV result is only really 100% reliable if there has been no sexual interaction where there was a possibility of becoming infected both during the ten to twelve day period prior to the test and obviously since the test was done.
There are other more standard tests where the "window period" can be up to three months for 100% accuracy.
I am not sure in establishments where girls are regularly tested which tests are used, but as I understand it while testing will eventually show positive for infection in the short term whatever test is used they are not totally reliable.
Smooci,
It seems some girls like to pressure, guilt, or shame (guys into a 5-star rating, and it seems some guys go for it. I wouldn't consider a companion with a perfect 5 - don't trust it. Do you suppose it may make sense, since you already have tracking on the app, that the rating system is available only after companions and clients have parted company to help keep the system more honest?
Just a thought.
Yesterday results card can't prove today one is clear of anything.
To be more safer side, cap on in commercial sex. Save the raw session to your own permanent partners.
Play with responsibility mate.
"Yesterday results card can't prove today one is clear of anything."
Then that means any venue's claim that "Our girls are tested regularly", etc. is essentially meaningless as well, right?
My preferred method is I do what I want and need in order to get the job done for me and what I have found to be more responsible and safer for myself and every partner I have had than what men who claim to wear caps all the time have apparently encountered and, if you are worried about it, then you wear a cap every time or confine your sexual encounters to your permanent partners.
But I can help anyone who is concerned about being with Thai girls who I can assure you from first hand experience provide BBFS to certain customers (or dates) more often than you might think.
Avoid these girls:
Go-go bar girls.
Dating site girls.
Non P4P girls at restaurants, shops, malls.
Beer Bar girls.
Freelancers, except in Beer Garden Soi 7 in Bangkok.
Blowjob Bar girls.
On the other hand, here are the venues and environments where I have found the girls to be very resistant to offering BBFS. So if you choose to be with one of these girls and your cap "falls off", "slips off", "breaks", "tears" or you are too drunk or horny to put one on as seems to happen remarkably often with men who rely on condoms to protect themselves and their partners, these places and girls ought to be a much safer bet for you:
Beer Garden Soi 7 in Bangkok.
Massage Shops, including oilies, so-called PSE shops, etc.
Almost anywhere in Pattaya except freelancers (again, my experience).
Don't know about escorts in Thailand (I have used them in the Philippines and elsewhere) because I have not yet been convinced a rating system and photo shopping won't do more to misinform than inform me about what will happen in the room. But I have been with 3-4 girls I have seen on Smooci and other escort-related sites when they were younger, slimmer and working the sois as freelancers and, again, my experience was those particular girls provided BBFS for certain customers.
Smooci,
It seems some girls like to pressure, guilt, or shame (guys into a 5-star rating, and it seems some guys go for it. I wouldn't consider a companion with a perfect 5 - don't trust it. Do you suppose it may make sense, since you already have tracking on the app, that the rating system is available only after companions and clients have parted company to help keep the system more honest?
Just a thought.We did have a complaint of this some months ago; as a result we now allow the clients to edit the rating / commemt once within 7 days of posting it.
A new issue which is cropping up is the reverse. We've had 2 recent reports of clients who requested extra shots / time from the companion with the threat of giving a 1 star and bad review if they refused. As a response to this we are considering letting the companions respond to comments they receive.
We are also starting to introduce the ability for companions to rate and comment on their clients. This info will not be available on the site but it will be shown to companions along with booking request, helping them to accept or reject a booking.
Franciscass
01-31-18, 14:12
We did have a complaint of this some months ago; as a result we now allow the clients to edit the rating / commemt once within 7 days of posting it.
A new issue which is cropping up is the reverse. We've had 2 recent reports of clients who requested extra shots / time from the companion with the threat of giving a 1 star and bad review if they refused. As a response to this we are considering letting the companions respond to comments they receive.
We are also starting to introduce the ability for companions to rate and comment on their clients. This info will not be available on the site but it will be shown to companions along with booking request, helping them to accept or reject a booking.I've always thought it would so interesting to have a forum where working girls posted their experiences with customers. It would give us all a peek into what is really going in the P4P world. Would it surprise us to know that they love us or could it be something a little less flattering? My favorite answer when I chat to girls about which customers they like is when they tell me there are only two kinds of customer, good customer and bad customer, race, ethnicity, age, weight looks are all essentially irrelevant. Good for you Smooci if you go ahead with this but as you I'm sure realize it's a bit dodgy if a punter believes his session could go public. Anonymity would be essential.
I've always thought it would so interesting to have a forum where working girls posted their experiences with customers. It would give us all a peek into what is really going in the P4P world. Would it surprise us to know that they love us or could it be something a little less flattering? My favorite answer when I chat to girls about which customers they like is when they tell me there are only two kinds of customer, good customer and bad customer, race, ethnicity, age, weight looks are all essentially irrelevant. Good for you Smooci if you go ahead with this but as you I'm sure realize it's a bit dodgy if a punter believes his session could go public. Anonymity would be essential.Probably a new game play in this industry. Whereby customers are being rated by the girls rather only the other way.
Pretty fair to me if ask me. Not all customers are always right.
Pretty sure there are some really demanding and nasty customers around too.
Way to go Smooci.
I've always thought it would so interesting to have a forum where working girls posted their experiences with customers. It would give us all a peek into what is really going in the P4P world. Would it surprise us to know that they love us or could it be something a little less flattering? My favorite answer when I chat to girls about which customers they like is when they tell me there are only two kinds of customer, good customer and bad customer, race, ethnicity, age, weight looks are all essentially irrelevant. Good for you Smooci if you go ahead with this but as you I'm sure realize it's a bit dodgy if a punter believes his session could go public. Anonymity would be essential.It is anonymous, we have a flagging system and regularly read through comments in order to remove anything which may be too personal or revealing of identity. So far we are not seeing any issues or anything too nasty, and mostly it's very positive comments.
The companion comments are a new introduction and most are just starting to work out the importantce of them (to recommend and warn). We are hoping it will work the same way as the user comments and ratings do, rewarding the genuine clients and highlighting those who are a potential problem.
It is anonymous, we have a flagging system and regularly read through comments in order to remove anything which may be too personal or revealing of identity. So far we are not seeing any issues or anything too nasty, and mostly it's very positive comments.
The companion comments are a new introduction and most are just starting to work out the importantce of them (to recommend and warn). We are hoping it will work the same way as the user comments and ratings do, rewarding the genuine clients and highlighting those who are a potential problem.There may be a potential problem with this system depending on its specifics. As you noted earlier, to mitigate against customers being pressured to give five ratings while the girl is still there, you have a seven-day window during which the customer can change his rating. What about the girl? How long does she have before her rating is finalized and cannot be changed? Suppose, for example, a customer leaves a five-star rating because the girl pressures him for this, but later changes it and comments that the girl pressured the customer for a five-star rating but deserves less. Such a customer comment would alert other potential customers to the possibility the girl received other five-star ratings owing to pressure, not merit. Will the girl be able to retaliate against the customer by then leaving him a low rating, or changing a high rating to a low one?
Although the specific scenario above might not play out in its specifics so often, other situations where retaliatory comments or ratings of customers could be made are very possible. Indeed, this problem of retaliatory feedback is why Ebay no longer allows sellers to rate buyers. Essentially, by allowing a seller of any service to rate customers it makes it quite probable, if adequate safeguards are not in place, that honest customer feedback would be discouraged for fear of retaliation. And it is no answer to say the ratings are done anonymously because if a rating includes certain details of the session, or if the girl does not have a lot of customers, it would not be difficult to figure out who left the feedback.
I'm not sure what the best solution to this is, but one would be to give the girl a very short time window to leave a review, and hold up on posting the customer ratings and comments until after this time window has closed. This does not mean the customer would be prohibited from giving his feedback immediately, only that Smooci would keep it under wraps until after the girl's time window for leaving feedback, which could be as short as ten or fifteen minutes, has expired. And since the customer presumably would not have access to the girl's ratings of him, this would not open up the possibility of a customer retaliating against a girl for leaving a bad rating for him.
Franciscass
02-01-18, 08:08
It is anonymous, we have a flagging system and regularly read through comments in order to remove anything which may be too personal or revealing of identity. So far we are not seeing any issues or anything too nasty, and mostly it's very positive comments.
The companion comments are a new introduction and most are just starting to work out the importantce of them (to recommend and warn). We are hoping it will work the same way as the user comments and ratings do, rewarding the genuine clients and highlighting those who are a potential problem.The system would need to be anonymous from both ends.
ISG members are not recognizable. I could be sitting beside a fellow member at a bar perhaps even somebody I had a difference of opinion with and I wouldn't know it.
Working girls can be recognized by their place of work, their name / number, their net pics etc. Because of this, masking their identity is essential if they are posting unfavorably about dickhead customers particularly as some of these guys are real nut jobs. No knowing how they might react.
With that safeguard in place I look forward to hearing from the girls about their experiences. They just might be more informative and entertaining than the one sided accounts we have.
We are also starting to introduce the ability for companions to rate and comment on their clients. This info will not be available on the site but it will be shown to companions along with booking request, helping them to accept or reject a booking.Why would Escort ABC want to convince Escorts DEF, GHI, JKL, etc. that they should happily accept a booking from a particularly easy and generous customer if it is in Escort ABC's interest for him to encounter roadblock after roadblock in booking someone other than Escort ABC again tonight?
There may be a potential problem with this system depending on its specifics.
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I am bewildered by guys wanting to read "ratings" of service quality from girls, and even more by the issues likely from girls rating customers.
Almost every post on ISG refers to how YMMV depending on at least 8 variables at any given time. I am not going to take any notice of any other guy's rating because I know it will not have any relevance to my experience.
The key issue is that the MP accurately advertises girls with clear updated pics and honest description of the service they will provide plus price.
Nothing else matters (to me anyway).
SunnyBoyPerth
02-01-18, 16:52
Quick question to seniors.
Those girls that are available for A+ do I need to pay extra (apart from tips that may be normal) for A level? If so, how much is considered normal?
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The key issue is that the MP accurately advertises girls with clear updated pics and honest description of the service they will provide plus price.
Nothing else matters (to me anyway).There's the challenge, isn't it?
I read reports here of guys being begged by the girl to give them a 5 Star rating, not that there is much reason to assume any customer's rating is based on an honest report on her claimed services anyway.
I mean, someone recently praised a girl for providing a "GFE" for which he likely would have given her a high Star rating anyway even though she walked in complaining about being tired, he had to wake her up before she wasted more than an hour snoozing of the 3 hours he booked and paid her for and, oh by the way, she refused to deliver DFK, CIM and something else she claimed to deliver in her profile. Incredible.
Mind you, these are guys who search for, read and post on this site. So it stands to reason they actually know and understand the scene MORE than 99.9% of those girls' usual customers.
Dion Cassius
02-02-18, 05:16
Quick question to seniors.
Those girls that are available for A+ do I need to pay extra (apart from tips that may be normal) for A level? If so, how much is considered normal?It is usually a 2000 baths extra.
AstoraDick
02-02-18, 11:44
I wonder if number of shots can be revised for 12, 15, and 24 hours bookings and possibly introduce an option for unlimited shots, too, like anal additional fee across the board. I'm aware that longer bookings is meant for those who want a companion to tour the city but there is much more room than only limiting to 4-shot for 15 and 24 hours while touring. I think an increase to 6 and 7 shots for 15 and 24 hours is proper especially that it won't necessary lead to full usage.
Lastly, could you clarify more on couple option offered by some of the companions. It's double the price, understandably, but does the companion choose the one she works best or is that I already have my own and wishes she could come and mingle with us? I really want to try threesome through Smooci and of my own choosing, too.
Thanks.
Why would Escort ABC want to convince Escorts DEF, GHI, JKL, etc. that they should happily accept a booking from a particularly easy and generous customer if it is in Escort ABC's interest for him to encounter roadblock after roadblock in booking someone other than Escort ABC again tonight?I don't think you are giving the average escort enough credit. So far we are seeing the companions give generally very positive comments and highlighting the clients that were a positive experience. As with the clients, the companions can buy into a community system and contribute to it working and reap it's benefit, and signs so far are that it will work and help the companions.
We are sure that occassionally a companion will give a falsely bias report, but we are sure the clients do too, and it shouldn't stop the comments and ratings being useful from both sides.
I wonder if number of shots can be revised for 12, 15, and 24 hours bookings and possibly introduce an option for unlimited shots, too, like anal additional fee across the board. I'm aware that longer bookings is meant for those who want a companion to tour the city but there is much more room than only limiting to 4-shot for 15 and 24 hours while touring. I think an increase to 6 and 7 shots for 15 and 24 hours is proper especially that it won't necessary lead to full usage.
Lastly, could you clarify more on couple option offered by some of the companions. It's double the price, understandably, but does the companion choose the one she works best or is that I already have my own and wishes she could come and mingle with us? I really want to try threesome through Smooci and of my own choosing, too.
Thanks.We don't control the number of shots, the companions / agencies set this. Admittedily all the agencies we have worked with so far offer just about identical number of shots, but as we are starting to add independents it should hopefully start to bring more variety in the number of shots and rates.
Couples refers to companions who will service a male / female couple. This means they are offering to give sexual service to both the male and the female (lesbian / bi). In your scenario I would probably suggest booking the escort as a solo booking but picking a girl who has couples as a service. You can then negotiate with her to change the booking to the couples rate if / when you find someone else to join you.
I don't think you are giving the average escort enough credit. So far we are seeing the companions give generally very positive comments and highlighting the clients that were a positive experience. As with the clients, the companions can buy into a community system and contribute to it working and reap it's benefit, and signs so far are that it will work and help the companions.
We are sure that occassionally a companion will give a falsely bias report, but we are sure the clients do too, and it shouldn't stop the comments and ratings being useful from both sides.Can you give us some insight on what the girls are considering a "positive experience" vs a "negative experience" with regard to the customers?
I mean, based on what you have read so far, how would I be more likely to earn a 5 Star rating from more girls instead of a 1 Star rating? And, btw, just curious, how often has an unprompted question like that been asked of you from the girls with regard to their ratings and assessment by the customers?
Can you give us some insight on what the girls are considering a "positive experience" vs a "negative experience" with regard to the customers?
I mean, based on what you have read so far, how would I be more likely to earn a 5 Star rating from more girls instead of a 1 Star rating? And, btw, just curious, how often has an unprompted question like that been asked of you from the girls with regard to their ratings and assessment by the customers?I would say about 90-95% of reviews have been positive and about 70% of those are pretty general with comments like 'good'. 'good client', ' nice guy' and variations of that. The more indepth ones are pretty mixed but I've seen good hygeine being commented on a several times (and have seen bad hygeine commented on a lot in the less positive reviews) and I've also seen a few comments that a client is a 'funny guy', and I'm pretty sure thay mean good humour.
A lot of the negative ones tend to be more specific, detailing a particular issue they had.
I would say about 90-95% of reviews have been positive and about 70% of those are pretty general with comments like 'good'. 'good client', ' nice guy' and variations of that. The more indepth ones are pretty mixed but I've seen good hygeine being commented on a several times (and have seen bad hygeine commented on a lot in the less positive reviews) and I've also seen a few comments that a client is a 'funny guy', and I'm pretty sure thay mean good humour.
A lot of the negative ones tend to be more specific, detailing a particular issue they had.I see. Thanks for the info. Maybe there could be a check list for customers at the booking stage for the girls to review before deciding to accept an appointment with them or not. You know, similar to what the customers see on the girls' profiles before they make a decision. Something like:
Personal Qualities/Habits:
FAC (funny and charming)
SDFC (shower daily, fresh clothes)
BTBS (brush teeth before session)
FOTT (fast on the trigger)
SSNN (second shot not necessary)
RGFER (real girlfriend experiences rewarded)
RBCD (recent blood check document)
etc.
I'm sure others could recommend a few more.
Of course, I think current photos (with faces blurred out I suppose) along with data on Age, Height, Weight, Body Type, Erect Penis Length/Circumference would be very helpful as well.
AstoraDick
02-06-18, 15:02
We don't control the number of shots, the companions / agencies set this. Admittedily all the agencies we have worked with so far offer just about identical number of shots, but as we are starting to add independents it should hopefully start to bring more variety in the number of shots and rates.
Couples refers to companions who will service a male / female couple. This means they are offering to give sexual service to both the male and the female (lesbian / bi). In your scenario I would probably suggest booking the escort as a solo booking but picking a girl who has couples as a service. You can then negotiate with her to change the booking to the couples rate if / when you find someone else to join you.If so then, can you invite agencies that offer unlimited shots to the platform, too? They can still be listed without the discounted rate but at least the availability will be there and might encourage other participants to follow the lead. Noticeably, those independents tend to copy what others provide and yet aren't unanswerable to anybody but themselves.
We are now inviting freelance escorts (girls and ladyboys) to join Smooci in Bangkok, and offering clients who bring a freelance companions on to the platform a free premium membership.
THe girls simply contact us to get the download link for our app (currently Android only). Using the app they can create their profile, set their services and prices, and upload their pictures. Companions click on and offline when they are available, and bookings come direct to the app. They have 10 minutes to accept or reject each booking / After each*booking companions can rate and review their client.
Smooci is currently free for companions, and they keep 100% of the booking earnings. Girls need to contact us on Line (ID: smoociapp).
For guys who help us sign up companions we are happy to offer a free 1-month premium membership, please tell the girl to let us know your email address for your free membership.
Why would Escort ABC want to convince Escorts DEF, GHI, JKL, etc. that they should happily accept a booking from a particularly easy and generous customer if it is in Escort ABC's interest for him to encounter roadblock after roadblock in booking someone other than Escort ABC again tonight?I suppose, it's the same reason why a guy would want to give a good rating to the lady he likes, even though this would make her more popular among other guys and make her less available for him.
It's not an exclusive one-on-one relationship. When you have many ladies available, then usually you want to butterfly. Because your sex-interest doesn't just depend on you. It also depends on the lady. One lady might have really nice tits. So, she brings out the tit-man in you. And you fall for her this way. Another lady might have a pretty face, which makes you want to get some oral sex from her. And a third lady might have a nice ass, which brings out the ass-man in you. Every lady is interesting in her own way. Which makes you want to butterfly with your dick on every chick.
And the hot lady, who did well with you, needs to do well with other guys too. Or else, she might not be there, when you come back. It's in your interest to help her out by giving her a good recommendation.
And P4P ladies of course know that virtually every guy likes to butterfly. They get guys from other ladies, and other ladies get their guys. Which makes it in the interest of all the ladies to rate their guys honestly and openly for each other. Their guys are common property, rather than an exclusive relationship. All of the ladies benefit, when they rate their guys openly and honestly. And they all suffer, if they lie and give inaccurate ratings.
When everybody is trading and exchanging with each other, then everybody has an interest to keep the market going for themselves and for everybody else.
I suppose, it's the same reason why a guy would want to give a good rating to the lady he likes, even though this would make her more popular among other guys and make her less available for him.
It's not an exclusive one-on-one relationship. When you have many ladies available, then usually you want to butterfly.
-snip-Right. The last sentence I quoted above is exactly why it is different when a customer gives a girl he liked a high rating. More often than not, most guys might see the same girl a second or third time at the most then they move on. And there is an element of trophy boasting at play; "Yeah, I had her every which way but Sunday and she wanted me to do her Sunday as well."
Then the guy still has this candy store of options available to stroll through and choose another.
But there is no such counterpart for the P4P girls who can't stroll through a candy store and point to the next guy who now is under pressure to pay her before rent is due. The competition between P4P girls to bag a good, clean and generous paying customer before the day or night is over is high. The competition between customers to bag the next available and receptive P4P girl is practically non-existent if you're willing to wait 90 minutes or less.
If a P4P girl could have the same easy, clean, pleasant and generous customer every day of her working life she would probably take that deal in a minute. But for a punter to consider such an arrangement with almost any P4P girl, even his favorite of the week, is practically unthinkable.
The joke on the way out of the brothel is, "Ok, thanks, honey. See you tomorrow! Haha." But it's the girl saying that to a favorite customer, not the other way around.
Franciscass
02-08-18, 11:11
So an escort's post might read like this.
Had 3 customers today 2 falangs and a Japanese. Made 10,000 baht so good business for me. One pum pui old guy falang so have to make sure he not lie on me, he not too much power and take long time to finish, have to give him hand job, but he ok nice guy. He give me 500 Baht tip and then fall asleep. He snoring when I leave room.
Next customer from Japan. He have school uniform he want me to wear with no panties. He tell me to sit at table with book open and write on paper and then he go out of room and come back again. He come behind me and ask me what I do and I laugh because I not really understand what he saying and what he do. Then he say he school teacher and I bad student and he want to teach me lesson. He very serious but I am ok because I know men from Japan sometimes are bit crazy and do like this and really I think he very funny guy and he have good body and good boom boom with but he not tip anything when we finish.
Last customer stay very nice hotel but when I see him I not so happy. He look not so good, not smile not say Hello, and tell me to go to bathroom and have shower. I think maybe I leave but It's my job so cannot be like this just I not like customer. When I come from shower he have no clothes on and I see he have big dick. He say to bend over on bed and he try to put in my ass. I tell him no, it's too big cannot do but he says its ok he will use KY and will give me big tip. I try again and he go in a little bit but I feel pain so I say sorry but cannot do. Then he say he want to kiss me and I say ok but he stick his tongue too much in my mouth I nearly choke. I say ok I go and give you back your money. Then he change and say he so sorry and ask me to stay. He tell me his girlfriend leave him go with somebody else and he very sad and angry. I see he nearly crying and I try to take good care of him and make him happy and he better when I leave him. I think he ok good man but not so happy now.
So soon I meet my friends for dinner and then go home check my phone for line messages Instagram and Facebook watch Korean series and have a good sleep. Tomorrow new day. I wonder what customers I meet tomorrow.
...Then the guy still has this candy store of options available to stroll through and choose another.
But there is no such counterpart for the P4P girls who can't stroll through a candy store and point to the next guy who now is under pressure to pay her before rent is due. The competition between P4P girls to bag a good, clean and generous paying customer before the day or night is over is high. The competition between customers to bag the next available and receptive P4P girl is practically non-existent if you're willing to wait 90 minutes or less....People usually cooperate for mutual benefit. And the mutual benefit P4P women have is in pointing out bad guys, who don't treat P4P women well. They all want to avoid such guys. And they all have an interest in pointing out such guys to each other.
On smooci.com website, the lady doesn't interact with the guy, until he contacts her and wants to meet her. Which means that she already has the guy at the price she asks for. Competition isn't a concern for her anymore at this point. But she needs to know if the guy has behaved well with other women before. And she can trust the ratings of other women. Because they all have an interest to cooperate with each other and help each other in this.
The lady doesn't even come into contact with the guy in a competitive situation. Because the competition happens, when the guy looks at the pictures of ladies, reads their descriptions of what they are willing to do, and looks at their ratings from other guys. When the guy is contacting the lady, then her competition is finished and done. The guy has already made his choice. That's why ladies can cooperate with each other in pointing out bad guys, without becoming less competitive with each other. Their cooperation happens only after they've finished competing with each other.
And guys have an interest in giving good ratings to ladies who did well with them, because one guy's business isn't enough for a lady to stay in business. She needs to be successful with many guys. Or else it doesn't make sense for her to stay in the business. She might as well go home.
Which means that if you like the lady and you want to see her again some time in the future, then you'd better give her good ratings. Or else she might not be in the business anymore, the next time you look for her.
People usually cooperate for mutual benefit. And the mutual benefit P4P women have is in pointing out bad guys, who don't treat P4P women well. They all want to avoid such guys. And they all have an interest in pointing out such guys to each other.
On smooci.com website, the lady doesn't interact with the guy, until he contacts her and wants to meet her. Which means that she already has the guy at the price she asks for. Competition isn't a concern for her anymore at this point. But she needs to know if the guy has behaved well with other women before. And she can trust the ratings of other women. Because they all have an interest to cooperate with each other and help each other in this.
The lady doesn't even come into contact with the guy in a competitive situation. Because the competition happens, when the guy looks at the pictures of ladies, reads their descriptions of what they are willing to do, and looks at their ratings from other guys. When the guy is contacting the lady, then her competition is finished and done. The guy has already made his choice. That's why ladies can cooperate with each other in pointing out bad guys, without becoming less competitive with each other. Their cooperation happens only after they've finished competing with each other.
And guys have an interest in giving good ratings to ladies who did well with them, because one guy's business isn't enough for a lady to stay in business. She needs to be successful with many guys. Or else it doesn't make sense for her to stay in the business. She might as well go home.
Which means that if you like the lady and you want to see her again some time in the future, then you'd better give her good ratings. Or else she might not be in the business anymore, the next time you look for her.Ok. And all of that is fine if all the girls are honest players in the game. But bear in mind that if you find yourself with a girl who is not really making a conscientious effort to provide services for which you booked her in the first place, presents a notably lousy attitude about it and doesn't take kindly to you not just accepting it with a smile, "thank you, ma'am" and how dare you expect her to squeeze out that second shot in the second hour instead of letting her go early, you just might be in store for a pretty darn negative report and review yourself that all the other Smooci girls will be reading and likely accepting as the gospel truth.
Ok. And all of that is fine if all the girls are honest players in the game. But bear in mind that if you find yourself with a girl who is not really making a conscientious effort to provide services for which you booked her in the first place, presents a notably lousy attitude about it and doesn't take kindly to you not just accepting it with a smile, "thank you, ma'am" and how dare you expect her to squeeze out that second shot in the second hour instead of letting her go early, you just might be in store for a pretty darn negative report and review yourself that all the other Smooci girls will be reading and likely accepting as the gospel truth.My earlier post concerning the possibility a girl who gets a bad rating may retaliate by giving the guy a bad rating never received an answer from Smooci (I proposed one way, probably among many, this could be prevented). I wouldn't trust guys' ratings on the website if the guys know they themselves will be rated, and part of their rating might depend on how they rate the girl.
I wouldn't trust guys' ratings on the website if the guys know they themselves will be rated, and part of their rating might depend on how they rate the girl.Even though a customer who is "forced" or emotionally blackmailed by the girl to give her a high rating in her presence can change his rating over the next few days without her knowing it, the customer who is faced with a truly awful delivery or non delivery of claimed services, lousy attitude or whatever will now be reluctant to simply convey a disapproval of it in real time during the session in order to possibly get things back on track for fear that any negative vibe he exudes or a normally firm request for this or that will be taken as a reason for her to report negatively about his "poor hygiene" or him being a "problem customer".
I'm guessing a lot of guys who book girls for, among other things, that second shot but it requires the girl to work harder and stay longer to achieve it than she felt like providing that night are suddenly going to be subject to getting negative comments about "poor hygiene" or being a "problem customer" in HIS review as a way for her to run ahead of whatever negative review she suspects she will (rightfully) get from him. I would liken it to a terrible session with a scammer girl from a bar where she knows you might report badly on her to the mamasan later that night or tomorrow, so she runs ahead to give the mamasan an earful about how terrible YOU were to HER as soon as she returns to the bar and before you get to tell your side of the story. Only in this case, it isn't just the mamasan that gets an earful of terrible stories about you, but also every other girl in the bar and even girls who are not working there yet but will start working there next week, next month or next year! lol.
I'm a little puzzled about why Smooci thinks they need to give the girls this routine reviewing leverage rather than just asking them to report any abusive and particularly objectionable behavior from the customers in general with an assurance that it will be acted upon and responded to appropriately.
Even though a customer who is "forced" or emotionally blackmailed by the girl to give her a high rating in her presence can change his rating over the next few days without her knowing it, the customer who is faced with a truly awful delivery or non delivery of claimed services, lousy attitude or whatever will now be reluctant to simply convey a disapproval of it in real time during the session in order to possibly get things back on track for fear that any negative vibe he exudes or a normally firm request for this or that will be taken as a reason for her to report negatively about his "poor hygiene" or him being a "problem customer".
I'm guessing a lot of guys who book girls for, among other things, that second shot but it requires the girl to work harder and stay longer to achieve it than she felt like providing that night are suddenly going to be subject to getting negative comments about "poor hygiene" or being a "problem customer" in HIS review as a way for her to run ahead of whatever negative review she suspects she will (rightfully) get from him. I would liken it to a terrible session with a scammer girl from a bar where she knows you might report badly on her to the mamasan later that night or tomorrow, so she runs ahead to give the mamasan an earful about how terrible YOU were to HER as soon as she returns to the bar and before you get to tell your side of the story. Only in this case, it isn't just the mamasan that gets an earful of terrible stories about you, but also every other girl in the bar and even girls who are not working there yet but will start working there next week, next month or next year! lol.
I'm a little puzzled about why Smooci thinks they need to give the girls this routine reviewing leverage rather than just asking them to report any abusive and particularly objectionable behavior from the customers in general with an assurance that it will be acted upon and responded to appropriately.I was thinking the exact same thing as you expressed in your last paragraph. It is hard to know what motivated Smooci to adopt a system where the girls rate their customers. Did they have a lot of agencies or girls who told them they would refuse to be part of their service unless the girls could rate the customers? Somehow I think I know the answer.
It results in a bad incentive structure. An ill-advised move on their part IMHO.
My earlier post concerning the possibility a girl who gets a bad rating may retaliate by giving the guy a bad rating never received an answer from Smooci (I proposed one way, probably among many, this could be prevented). I wouldn't trust guys' ratings on the website if the guys know they themselves will be rated, and part of their rating might depend on how they rate the girl.We don't have a clear answer for that yet, the rating of clients is new and it's something we are watching carefully as it develops, but we will do our best to keep it fair and useful.
We don't feel the client ratings will be as powerful as the companion ratings. Whereas companion ratings help a client choose who to book, client ratings are more of a 'heads up' and one bad experiences and comment is unlikely to stop a client getting a booking.
Whereas companion ratings help a client choose who to book, client ratings are more of a 'heads up' and one bad experiences and comment is unlikely to stop a client getting a booking.Yes, I am sure a customer reported as smelling bad and being over-demanding just once will eventually get a girl to accept a booking from him down the road. And when she shows up she will have been forewarned and therefore fore-armed with whatever deflection methods work best for her under those circumstances. She might not be his first, second, third, fourth or fifth choice lady and isn't likely to be among the more popular girls maintaining Star Ratings at 4.0 or above. But he will no doubt eventually get a booking accepted by somebody.
Franciscass
02-09-18, 10:58
Question!. How will escorts know which nut job to avoid unless he is identifiable? Other than his location which may be temporary she has little else to share.
We are also starting to introduce the ability for companions to rate and comment on their clients. This info will not be available on the site but it will be shown to companions along with booking request, helping them to accept or reject a booking.So the girls already got our full real name, and from now, they will also know how many girls we have fucked (given that most of the girls will probably leave a comment) and possibly who we've fucked with details about or behaviour with these previous girls. I think it's too much privacy given to a girl that I pay to fuck.
I don't believe that I'll use smooci again if it's confirmed that it's the way you're going to work.
JohnnyNumber5
02-09-18, 13:56
I was thinking the exact same thing as you expressed in your last paragraph. It is hard to know what motivated Smooci to adopt a system where the girls rate their customers. Did they have a lot of agencies or girls who told them they would refuse to be part of their service unless the girls could rate the customers? Somehow I think I know the answer.
It results in a bad incentive structure. An ill-advised move on their part IMHO.Smooci and the agencies on smooci are pretty much all owned by the same company. Although managers would have incentive to compete, the company as a whole does not care which agency snags a particular client. Bangkok Escort is currently their flagship agency. Therefore if a questionable client with poor ratings attempts to hire a girl from bangkokescort, where their tier 1 girls are, he may be given the 'she's fully booked' response knowing that the client will eventually select a girl from Pure Bangkok, which hosts some of their tier 2 and tier 3 girls. The rating system can protect their upper tier girls making them less likely to leave the company and move to an agency like absoluteangels (not part of the company). Whether it's Pure Bangkok, New Bangkok or Bangkok Escort or Ladyboy Bangkok it doesn't matter. It's all the same company that wants to take care of their top girls. In the end they get the money.
All you need to do is look to see if the chat window opens up in the lower right hand corner that advertises Smooci. That's the easiest way of knowing if the agency is part of the company.
So the girls already got our full real name, and from now, they will also know how many girls we have fucked (given that most of the girls will probably leave a comment) and possibly who we've fucked with details about or behaviour with these previous girls. I think it's too much privacy given to a girl that I pay to fuck.
I don't believe that I'll use smooci again if it's confirmed that it's the way you're going to work.I agre. I will also never use Smooci after this.
Smooci and the agencies on smooci are pretty much all owned by the same company. Although managers would have incentive to compete, the company as a whole does not care which agency snags a particular client. Bangkok Escort is currently their flagship agency. Therefore if a questionable client with poor ratings attempts to hire a girl from bangkokescort, where their tier 1 girls are, he may be given the 'she's fully booked' response knowing that the client will eventually select a girl from Pure Bangkok, which hosts some of their tier 2 and tier 3 girls. The rating system can protect their upper tier girls making them less likely to leave the company and move to an agency like absoluteangels (not part of the company). Whether it's Pure Bangkok, New Bangkok or Bangkok Escort or Ladyboy Bangkok it doesn't matter. It's all the same company that wants to take care of their top girls. In the end they get the money.
All you need to do is look to see if the chat window opens up in the lower right hand corner that advertises Smooci. That's the easiest way of knowing if the agency is part of the company.If I think sensibly, they should have some marketing agreements between them, or the agencies which are with smooci.
Examples, Farmers sell their staffs to CP, all 7-11 in Thailand owned by CP, the poultry all sold to CP will be market in 7-11, why in 7-11 and not to the normal wet market? Is due to the target of customers and the traffic flows for the 7-11. But does it means the Farmers are under the company of the CP? I don't think so. Its call Marketing strategies and agreement I would say.
Then how do you explain for the independents? I have tried some of them too. Conversation with them is just that they applied to Smooci on their own. They also show me the independent app too. Did see it briefly how it works.
Anyway, till date, personally I still think, this platform of smooci is still the most transparent platform in the market.
So the girls already got our full real name, and from now, they will also know how many girls we have fucked (given that most of the girls will probably leave a comment) and possibly who we've fucked with details about or behaviour with these previous girls. I think it's too much privacy given to a girl that I pay to fuck.
I don't believe that I'll use smooci again if it's confirmed that it's the way you're going to work.The girls will recieve the booking details as they have always (not full name but name you give for your hotel room. Most commonly a first name only) - plus any reviews you have received. We carefully monitor the reviews to make sure no personal details are given in the comments (such as name, address, etc.).
We are sorry if you are not happy with this and don't wish to use our service, but our concept is to create a system which imrpoves the expereince for the genuine clients AND genuine companions. We feel confident that this is the best way forward at the moment, and we think this move will only improve the experience for the genuine clients.
The reviews so far have been mostly very positive and help the companions accept a booking with confidence and set everything off on a positive foot.
The girls will recieve the booking details as they have always (not full name but name you give for your hotel room. Most commonly a first name only) - plus any reviews you have received. We carefully monitor the reviews to make sure no personal details are given in the comments (such as name, address, etc.).
We are sorry if you are not happy with this and don't wish to use our service, but our concept is to create a system which imrpoves the expereince for the genuine clients AND genuine companions. We feel confident that this is the best way forward at the moment, and we think this move will only improve the experience for the genuine clients.
The reviews so far have been mostly very positive and help the companions accept a booking with confidence and set everything off on a positive foot.Could you please tell us what the difference is between a client, and (as you referred to in your post two times) a "genuine" client?
Franciscass
02-10-18, 06:00
Having escort ratings help punters avoid duds, so no issues there. Conversely why not something that helps escorts avoid nut jobs. There will always be exceptions where on both sides personal bias will mislead but over time repeated patterns of behavior of certain clients and escorts will immerse to paint a more accurate profile of those to be avoided. So while always ensuring the privacy of all clients is front and center I feel what Smooci is attempting to do makes sense.
Smokers Rule
02-10-18, 06:49
Oh no you di'int.
Could you please tell us what the difference is between a client, and (as you referred to in your post two times) a "genuine" client?
Could you please tell us what the difference is between a client, and (as you referred to in your post two times) a "genuine" client?A genuine client, as we are refering to it, is someone who wants to book and meet a companion. We want to cut out the picture collectors, guys who just want to chat, and other dishonest client that a lot of companions have to deal with in the industry, especially the freelancers.
I would assume the vast majority of users here are genuine clients.
The girls will recieve the booking details as they have always (not full name but name you give for your hotel room. Most commonly a first name only) - plus any reviews you have received. We carefully monitor the reviews to make sure no personal details are given in the comments (such as name, address, etc.).
We are sorry if you are not happy with this and don't wish to use our service, but our concept is to create a system which imrpoves the expereince for the genuine clients AND genuine companions. We feel confident that this is the best way forward at the moment, and we think this move will only improve the experience for the genuine clients.
The reviews so far have been mostly very positive and help the companions accept a booking with confidence and set everything off on a positive foot.Will you be stating clearly and up front about this Customer Review feature on your site before the customers book a girl? I imagine you will make sure every customer cannot help but be aware of it before booking since it is such a great and positive move for everyone's benefit, right?
Hi, SmoociApp. Just checking; is this where you are highlighting this innovative new feature that will "improve the experience" for genuine customers and genuine companions or is it somewhere else too?
Inside Terms & Conditions on the Smooci website:
https://smooci.com/terms
3.13. Use Of Companion Accounts:A Companion may use the Companion Account to carry out the following:
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3.13.8. Provide ratings as to the Members with which the Companion has arranged a meeting and add comments in respect of any arranged meetings.That doesn't seem like nearly enough of a headline to tout this wonderful new feature designed to benefit everyone. Shouldn't it be displayed more prominently on one of the pages/steps one takes to book a girl in the first place? After all, the girls are made eminently aware that they will be rated by the Members/Users/Customers. Shouldn't the Members/Users/Customers be made as eminently aware that they will be rated, too, and that their rating will be visible to every escort in the land?
We should probably help spread the word about this far and wide on every website and message board discussing Thailand escort-related services just to make sure as many potential customers know about it before deciding to book through Smooci. Or before they book through virutally any Thai escort service website I suppose. Won't these customer ratings be visible to all escorts in the land, not just those escorts showing up on Smooci? Maybe it will only be girls booked through Smooci since they are the ones with a Smooci Companion Account. Still, that is likely to be almost any escort in Thailand.
Having escort ratings help punters avoid duds, so no issues there. Conversely why not something that helps escorts avoid nut jobs. There will always be exceptions where on both sides personal bias will mislead but over time repeated patterns of behavior of certain clients and escorts will immerse to paint a more accurate profile of those to be avoided. So while always ensuring the privacy of all clients is front and center I feel what Smooci is attempting to do makes sense.You've mentioned "nut jobs" a couple if times already. I don't think anyone has an issue with girls reporting lunatic customers who are truly abusive or try to steal the girl's time and money so Smooci or maybe even the police can respond accordingly. But when I asked Smooci what the girls' ratings of the customers were looking like, there wasn't one word mentioned about saving the next girl from suffering at the hands of a "nut job." The negative comments were primarily about "bad hygiene" and something vague about "particular issues".
It renains to be seen if reports or even a single report of "bad hygiene" and whatever those "particular issues" are will blackball a customer as effectively as reporting that he is a "nut job." But my prediction is this system will be quite effective at weeding out customers who might be so demanding as to actually expect a girl claiming to provide this or that service, even the outright scammer and poser girls, to actually conscientiously perform them even when she doesn't feel like it at the moment and he would dare to express some displeasure that she isn't even trying. Time will tell.
The companions still think like normal women, even while in this business. All my regulars think I'm exclusively their's. They constantly nag me about who I've been with. They find a hair in my hotel room and freak out.
And now they can just see every single companion I've been with, who they are, and when we met?
I'll tell you, that's going to screw up a lot of things. To get any semblance of GFE from a woman you need to play along with this fantasy world they've created. When the girl sees you've already fucked a girl earlier today, before she got there, and dozens of other girls on the site, this whole fantasy will shatter.
I really can't see this working out well for the customer at all.
Franciscass
02-10-18, 17:55
You've mentioned "nut jobs" a couple if times already. I don't think anyone has an issue with girls reporting lunatic customers who are truly abusive or try to steal the girl's time and money so Smooci or maybe even the police can respond accordingly. But when I asked Smooci what the girls' ratings of the customers were looking like, there wasn't one word mentioned about saving the next girl from suffering at the hands of a "nut job." The negative comments were primarily about "bad hygiene" and something vague about "particular issues".
It renains to be seen if reports or even a single report of "bad hygiene" and whatever those "particular issues" are will blackball a customer as effectively as reporting that he is a "nut job." But my prediction is this system will be quite effective at weeding out customers who might be so demanding as to actually expect a girl claiming to provide this or that service, even the outright scammer and poser girls, to actually conscientiously perform them even when she doesn't feel like it at the moment and he would dare to express some displeasure that she isn't even trying. Time will tell.Seems ET you believe escorts by not delivering advertised services are much more likely to be a problem for customers than customers behaving badly towards the girls. Sure we have all had our share of duds and agree rating the girls makes sense but yes there are oddballs out there if you prefer that term and the girls should have the same freedom in mentioning them.
If you talk to any working girl particularly FL'S and escorts how they feel about what they do, they will quite often mention the risks with a new customer. Some are more fearful than others but they all recognize the possibility.
Please don't misunderstand me, there can be a problem with what Smooci is doing whereby a "nut job" escort that visits me at my home who for some only god knows why reason wants to give me a bad name can post with an address at Apt 38 23/3 Soi etc. That is not on and Smooci should never publish anything that identifies a private residence.
That is why I would never have any working girl whether an escort or from any other source know where I live, it's just too dangerous for all sorts of reasons.
It's a different situation for visitors staying at hotels for relatively short durations and it is here that I feel what Smooci is trying to do makes some sense.
Let's just agree to differ eh?
The companions still think like normal women, even while in this business. All my regulars think I'm exclusively their's. They constantly nag me about who I've been with. They find a hair in my hotel room and freak out.
And now they can just see every single companion I've been with, who they are, and when we met?
I'll tell you, that's going to screw up a lot of things. To get any semblance of GFE from a woman you need to play along with this fantasy world they've created. When the girl sees you've already fucked a girl earlier today, before she got there, and dozens of other girls on the site, this whole fantasy will shatter.
I really can't see this working out well for the customer at all.Oh, that's right. I totally forgot about that aspect of it. Every escort you book through Smooci will know approximately when you booked another escort and who it was. Yes, we get that this is a business, we are customers, they are providers, blah blah blah. But when you are scoring REAL GFE skin in the game, so to speak, you are absolutely right that many girls will feel a sense of sexual territoriality about you that would not be the case if the only thing that occurred between you was the standard, basic lick around the edges, cover up and proceed fare. Not to mention they will know how much money you've been spending on other girls instead of them.
I assure you their behavior and quality of service with you changes when girls you have that kind of relationship with have their noses rubbed into an awareness of all the other girls you are seeing, and not changed for the better.
I think you can kiss that kind of GFE fantasy world goodbye with any girls you book through Smooci from now on even if they back pedal and tell us they have abandoned this idea. It is a communication between the girls, all the girls, that is kept secret from the customers. No future assurance that it has ended because of negative backlash from customers can be believed, imo.
Oh, that's right. I totally forgot about that aspect of it. Every escort you book through Smooci will know approximately when you booked another escort and who it was. Yes, we get that this is a business, we are customers, they are providers, blah blah blah. But when you are scoring REAL GFE skin in the game, so to speak, you are absolutely right that many girls will feel a sense of sexual territoriality about you that would not be the case if the only thing that occurred between you was the standard, basic lick around the edges, cover up and proceed fare. Not to mention they will know how much money you've been spending on other girls instead of them.
I assure you their behavior and quality of service with you changes when girls you have that kind of relationship with have their noses rubbed into an awareness of all the other girls you are seeing, and not changed for the better.
I think you can kiss that kind of GFE fantasy world goodbye with any girls you book through Smooci from now on even if they back pedal and tell us they have abandoned this idea. It is a communication between the girls, all the girls, that is kept secret from the customers. No future assurance that it has ended because of negative backlash from customers can be believed, imo.If a working lady knows you have another girl earlier and not providing a GFE, she in the first place not suitable in this biz.
In whatever circumstance, a working girl, in order to survive long enough in this trade, should have some pro play in herself. When to turn on the GFE and when to turn it off.
Of because the GFE is a fake from those pro but is a mental fantasy the customers are seeking.
The girl shouldn't even bother it anyway. We are not looking for long lost lover that went missing 25 yrs ago.
Even she try to be bother about it, its all part of the the play.
There are still things that can be done to save the customer-review system.
1. Use computer generated names for the escort reviews, so no one knows who they are, but also use the same generated name on all their reviews so that they have some accountability. E. g. The girl will know not to trust false reviews from a specific escort.
2. Don't show the date. Not even month. If it's displayed as the same month then that means trouble.
3. The current rating algorithm needs work. At the moment a bunch of 5 + one 1 will give a terrible rating. It should give the median rating, like e. G. On IMDB.
4. Maybe pre-defined things to rate, instead of a review with one rating. E. g. Cleanliness 5/5 median etc. With this you could even hide the amount of reviews, so the girls wouldn't know if you're with a bunch of other girls.
HotShaneHot
02-11-18, 14:12
I agre. I will also never use Smooci after this.Wow lots of people saying will never use Smooci again. I was not care about having my name. I was care about advertising girls that are not available "1".
"2" The GPS app to track the girl don't work. "3". It was like 1 HR 30 minutes after my booking time did not hear from no one saying there will be late.
"4" I was book a sexy costume. She did not take it.
"5" what was in her profile as in she will do this. " cum in mouth" she was saying no way. But it was saying yes she do? In profile. False advertising should get your money back 100%.
The girls will recieve the booking details as they have always (not full name but name you give for your hotel room. Most commonly a first name only) - plus any reviews you have received. We carefully monitor the reviews to make sure no personal details are given in the comments (such as name, address, etc.).
Every hotel I've used in Thailand requires my full name and passport number. Your website also asks for the name the room is under. Are you saying that we can book a girl on your website using only our first name? If I enter my full name on your website do you keep a record and a rating under my name? I'm not talking about using your app and registering, I'm talking about using your website from the hotels computer and booking a girl to my room using only my first name. Will your system or the agency reject booking made with the first name only?
This isn't Uber. I want a ride but I don't want to be taken anywhere.
Every hotel I've used in Thailand requires my full name and passport number. Your website also asks for the name the room is under. Are you saying that we can book a girl on your website using only our first name?I used smooci's service a couple of times a few month back. I had to give my full and real name in order to get a booking. They need the name that you used to register to your hotel, and the hotel takes your passport full name (first name and family name) from your passport so you cannot give any name that you like. Then the girls had my full name in order to be able to meet me in the hotel. How do I know that they had my real name? Because one of them kept saying that she was unable to read my name, as it was an unusual name for her. So at least a few month ago the girls had your exact and full real name (first name and family name).
The premium membership seems to be useful only to see reviews about the girls.
I used smooci's service a couple of times a few month back. I had to give my full and real name in order to get a booking. They need the name that you used to register to your hotel, and the hotel takes your passport full name (first name and family name) from your passport so you cannot give any name that you like. Then the girls had my full name in order to be able to meet me in the hotel. How do I know that they had my real name? Because one of them kept saying that she was unable to read my name, as it was an unusual name for her. So at least a few month ago the girls had your exact and full real name (first name and family name).
The premium membership seems to be useful only to see reviews about the girls.We pretty can use our common sense here.
You working in a hotel frontline, and a Non guest came to you and ask you to access to a hotel guest room.
Won't you need and want a verification first that he really know the guest he wish to visit?
Example, Mr Mohamed. Oh. We have over 20 Mohamed in our hotel sir. So. What's next?
Or we give and Mr X. And we are the genuine customer, the escort reached and give hotel staff as Mr X, how are they possible to verify the name and allow her to proceed up to our room?
For things to go smoothly, I still think, it take two hands to clap and totally make sense.
A lot of people talks about privacy in escort usage. But never we came across a news that was reported personal particulars are leaked or what so ever.
But people are openly giving out personal particulars and banks detail online willingly and so many reports of scams and blah blah blah etc. But still people still doing it.
I guess, we pretty need to put some weighing on these.
Anyway for my opinion, a name is just a name, there is no ID number and picture involve, so no issue. There are so many chance that two persons or more have the same name, but ID numbers only one person and not two.
We pretty can use our common sense here.Yes, I knew everything you said and a few month ago (before the escort girls being able to read reviews about us) I didn't care giving my real name for such an activity because she couldn't have access to any other information about me.
Firstly, my post was following SmoociApp's post saying that they don't give our full name to the girls. Here I shared my experience and I'm sure 100% that girls had my full name.
Secondly, the girl has a link on your activity (through Smooci) and once you make a booking with her, she can put a real name on that link. She can know the number of girls you have fucked, possibly which girl you have fucked, the money you have spent just to fuck girls, and what you have done with other girls.
Some guys doesn't care about that, especially guys that don't like to book the same girl twice, but keep in mind that it will be the only venue where girls that you fuck for money will know so much things about your real life (while in the contrary you will know less about her because she works with a nickname). When you meet a girl in any other place (bar, MP, soapy, disco, restaurant.) she knows nothing about you. You just give her a nickname, and tell her whatever you like about your past.
HotShaneHot
02-12-18, 16:34
The big man in charge of this is known he is doing false advertising. This is how he / her is making the money. Fix it Smooci.
A lot of people talks about privacy in escort usage. But never we came across a news that was reported personal particulars are leaked or what so ever.Really? No leaks? Ashley Madison mean anything to you? A major data breach caused problems for many many people. Google it. Email addresses, names etc all out there for anyone to see.
Guys, the fact that Smooci collects and keeps this data is worrisome. It also inherently puts their best customers at risk. If say you're a regular user of escorts in Bangkok you might go to this agency or that and accept that those agencies have your data on file. But now you're using smooci. Like a centralised database. You use them to access multiple agencies and independents. Mind you, this is just the beginning. Smooci will expand into other regions, and presumably so will your patronage, as well as the details of your exploits.
The fact that companions can also see this data is beyond worrisome. It's to me unacceptable. The developer's "name you provide the hotel" comment is both insulting and telling. They don't seem to care. But they're vulnerable and so are you.
I loved this service when it first emerged and was happy that I used it quite a bit then, but slowly it began to change in ways that made me like it less. Eg) needing the cell, then the premium memberships, then the customer ratings. (among other things). I was reminded of the 'frog in the boiling water' analogy. For me the water is boiling and I don't want that liability. I now gladly pay a bit more using the agencies direct or I might chance getting a bit 'ripped off' by a stunner gogo. Small price to pay for feeling safer and less exposed. At least, if I'm going to get screwed I'm going to at least see it right then and there.
Really? No leaks? Ashley Madison mean anything to you? A major data breach caused problems for many many people. Google it. Email addresses, names etc all out there for anyone to see.
Guys, the fact that Smooci collects and keeps this data is worrisome. It also inherently puts their best customers at risk. If say you're a regular user of escorts in Bangkok you might go to this agency or that and accept that those agencies have your data on file. But now you're using smooci. Like a centralised database. You use them to access multiple agencies and independents. Mind you, this is just the beginning. Smooci will expand into other regions, and presumably so will your patronage, as well as the details of your exploits.
The fact that companions can also see this data is beyond worrisome. It's to me unacceptable. The developer's "name you provide the hotel" comment is both insulting and telling. They don't seem to care. But they're vulnerable and so are you.
I loved this service when it first emerged and was happy that I used it quite a bit then, but slowly it began to change in ways that made me like it less. Eg) needing the cell, then the premium memberships, then the customer ratings. (among other things). I was reminded of the 'frog in the boiling water' analogy. For me the water is boiling and I don't want that liability. I now gladly pay a bit more using the agencies direct or I might chance getting a bit 'ripped off' by a stunner gogo. Small price to pay for feeling safer and less exposed. At least, if I'm going to get screwed I'm going to at least see it right then and there.Then please explain how a girl can come to your room with just any initial you given? Let say, Mr Sheldon, Or Mr Mohamed or Mr Tee, (just a few example) at Room XXX.
Then after which, hotel say need full name, girl don't have, girl call their agency, then wait, agency call you or email you and ask for your full name, then wait for you to reply, blah blah blah, to and fro for too long, just because of a name, then you cancelled due to all the wait and blame it on the girl or agency? Make any sense? LOL.
As I mentioned earlier, is just a name and is without ID number and Picture, to me is nothing to give a full name I use to check into a hotel. Even I give out my real name here Sheldon Lee Rock, So. Nobody can do anything with it. The most those with? Mark, will just google about it. But even so, can't do much about it.
Imagine loading up smooci to look at the available ladies only to see name after name of the customers and their reviews.
My earlier post concerning the possibility a girl who gets a bad rating may retaliate by giving the guy a bad rating never received an answer from Smooci (I proposed one way, probably among many, this could be prevented). I wouldn't trust guys' ratings on the website if the guys know they themselves will be rated, and part of their rating might depend on how they rate the girl.I often use customer ratings, when I buy something online from Amazon.com. And when the product has a lot of ratings, then it's never perfect. The best rated products usually range between 4.5 and 4.9 out of 5.0.
Sure, you always get some exceptions where people might give bad ratings to a good product. But it's the average that counts and not the individual ratings.
I actually don't trust perfect ratings, when I buy something online. Because a perfect rating usually means that only 2 or 3 people have rated the product, and they all gave it a perfect rating.
To trust a rating, I need not only good rating, but also a good rating from a substantial number of people. And I think that's the way it needs to work at Smooci.com.
And the Uber ride service has already proven that mutual ratings by workers and customers works well as a system. The market involves two sides, and that's why you need ratings by both sides for the whole market to work well. If you make it one-sided, then you give advantage to one side over the other. Which discourages the disadvantaged side from participating in the market. This is how you destroy the market and create a shortage of either customers or providers, depending on which side gets the advantage.
Then please explain how a girl can come to your room with just any initial you given? Let say, Mr Sheldon, Or Mr Mohamed or Mr Tee, (just a few example) at Room XXX.
Then after which, hotel say need full name, girl don't have, girl call their agency, then wait, agency call you or email you and ask for your full name, then wait for you to reply, blah blah blah, to and fro for too long, just because of a name, then you cancelled due to all the wait and blame it on the girl or agency? Make any sense? LOL.
As I mentioned earlier, is just a name and is without ID number and Picture, to me is nothing to give a full name I use to check into a hotel. Even I give out my real name here Sheldon Lee Rock, So. Nobody can do anything with it. The most those with? Mark, will just google about it. But even so, can't do much about it.Yeah, we're talking about slightly different things. Having the information she needs to get to the customer is not the issue. We were talking about a booking system that stores that data forever, presumably, which includes a lot more than just your name. It will have the cell number you used to book because you need that for sms verification. It will have of course your history with Smooci companions. Dates? Hotel name? City name? Previous companion names? If you like that, power to you, enjoy. Perhaps your name is fairly common. Googling my name, for instance, would locate me very easily. And, my oh my, what if for example I got really kinky one day and went for a whole team of ladyboys! Is that something I'd ever want public? I'm just trying to say that it makes me and obviously others nervous. So what would I / we do to avoid unnecessary risk? Assume some false identity to check into hotels? Or maybe rent an apt instead? Perhaps I'll buy a local sim card in each city to monger with. For what? I've liked a lot of your reviews Tiandihui. What if every post you wrote here was suddenly made public with your real name and more? Or maybe not even public (worst case) but instead in the hands of your favorite provider?
I agree with Dan7373 and the need for balance. But in lieu of full reviews I would think that maybe the companions should only see an aggregate rating and perhaps a physical description. Which is an anonymous compendium of physical data like:
Approx age (avg of responses provided), approx height, weight, body type, attitude / atmosphere / drug user?/ drunk?/ stinky?/ generous?/ aggressive?/ violent?/ insists on bare back? Whatever Smooci thinks companions would care to know.
Maybe that would be all that the companion is shown when she receives the booking request. Once she accepts she gets the name and room number in a separate communication or from her agency. She could then write it down I suppose for future reference but would she do that? Anyway, I dunno I haven't thought that much about it but there is a system in there somewhere that could work. As I said, its not for me anyway. It's gotten stupid now and I think will only get more stupid.
I often use customer ratings, when I buy something online from Amazon.com. And when the product has a lot of ratings, then it's never perfect. The best rated products usually range between 4.5 and 4.9 out of 5.0.
Sure, you always get some exceptions where people might give bad ratings to a good product. But it's the average that counts and not the individual ratings.
I actually don't trust perfect ratings, when I buy something online. Because a perfect rating usually means that only 2 or 3 people have rated the product, and they all gave it a perfect rating.
To trust a rating, I need not only good rating, but also a good rating from a substantial number of people. And I think that's the way it needs to work at Smooci.com..Very logic and sensible way of thinking I should say and totally agrees with you mate.
And the Uber ride service has already proven that mutual ratings by workers and customers works well as a system. The market involves two sides, and that's why you need ratings by both sides for the whole market to work well. If you make it one-sided, then you give advantage to one side over the other. Which discourages the disadvantaged side from participating in the market. This is how you destroy the market and create a shortage of either customers or providers, depending on which side gets the advantage.Are Uber drivers now offering BBBJ+CIM+SWALLOW and FS with REAL GFE to their more loyal riders these days? I hadn't heard.
Seems to me the P4P industry has gotten along just fine for centuries without the ladies utilizing a universally accessible communication network to better select low to no demand customers most likely to over pay with a smile for nothing and weed out customers who might actually expect them to deliver on their advertised services and, worse, to do a very good job of it.
And one side having a distinct if not an even overwhelming advantage over the other was precisely the key to that centuries' long success.
And the Uber ride service has already proven that mutual ratings by workers and customers works well as a system. The market involves two sides, and that's why you need ratings by both sides for the whole market to work well. If you make it one-sided, then you give advantage to one side over the other. Which discourages the disadvantaged side from participating in the market. This is how you destroy the market and create a shortage of either customers or providers, depending on which side gets the advantage.Ebay, a very successful company from what I understand, disagrees with you. A few years ago they stopped giving the Seller the option to leave negative reviews of buyers largely because of the problem of retaliatory feedback and how it can make buyers hesitant to leave honest reviews.
YWhat if every post you wrote here was suddenly made public with your real name and more? Or maybe not even public (worst case) but instead in the hands of your favorite provider?Even worse, what if they decide that the data is actually worth a lot of money and sell it like facebook does.
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Seems to me the P4P industry has gotten along just fine for centuries without the ladies utilizing a universally accessible communication network to better select low to no demand customers most likely to over pay with a smile for nothing and weed out customers who might actually expect them to deliver on their advertised services and, worse, to do a very good job of it.
And one side having a distinct if not an even overwhelming advantage over the other was precisely the key to that centuries' long success.I wouldn't call it success, when both you and the ladies need to hide from the police and risk getting arrested in most places of the world.
Sure, P4P is something people need. And that's why it never goes away, despite widespread persecution of both women and men, who do this. But persistence despite persecution isn't a good way to succeed.
I think it's important to create a balanced market, where both men and women have equal say. Because this is what you need to make it fair and square for everybody involved. Or else you end up with one side having an advantage over the other. Which provides good reasons for politicians and government bureaucrats to persecute everybody involved and make it difficult for everyone.
When there is unfairness, then there is political support to make the whole market illegal and drive everybody in it underground.
Ebay, a very successful company from what I understand, disagrees with you. A few years ago they stopped giving the Seller the option to leave negative reviews of buyers largely because of the problem of retaliatory feedback and how it can make buyers hesitant to leave honest reviews.My impression is that Ebay is a declining business. Ebay isn't nearly as popular now, as it was in late 1990's and early 2000's. They were more successful, when they had mutual reviews by customers and sellers.
http://time.com/3695714/ebay-rise-and-fall/
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ebay-results-idUSKCN0V52QW
https://thetechreader.com/tech/ebay-is-dead-why-ebay-is-no-longer-a-viable-selling-mechanism-for-selling-your-items-online/
But I agree with you that negative reviews can be a form of unfairness and retaliation. That's why it might be a good idea to prohibit negative reviews by both customers and providers. And this can be implemented with a star rating on a scale of 1 to 10, where the minimum rating allowed is 6 and maximum 10.
This way, nobody gets their feelings hurt. And people on both sides can still see who is better and who is worse.
The point of all these reviews and ratings is to help people choose the way they want to choose. And it's possible to do this without hurting people's feelings and creating problems associated with that.
Franciscass
02-14-18, 11:55
So the argument seems to be whether the privacy of the customer should be paramount even when there are some oddballs out there that the girls should know about. The problems with these customers need to be serious though, postings about hygiene and other relatively irrelevant details of the encounter should be ignored.
Also it's certainly true that unsubstantiated accusations from escorts which can cause serious problems for innocent clients cannot be allowed. There is the age old maxim in law that it is better that a 100 guilty go free than one innocent is unjustly convicted. Problem here is how to verifiably substantiate the escort's account.
It would be interesting to know how many escorts have experiences with customers who are real problems. How prevalent this is I feel needs to be factored in by Smooci in what is not an easy call for them to make.
I do not condemn Smooci for what they trying to do here protecting escorts but if bookings are way down business realities may eventually sort this out in favor of dropping escort reviews.
Could a possible solution be that all escorts who sign up with Smooci have a private platform maybe through Line or WhatsApp totally independent of Smooci.
I wouldn't call it success, when both you and the ladies need to hide from the police and risk getting arrested in most places of the world.
Sure, P4P is something people need. And that's why it never goes away, despite widespread persecution of both women and men, who do this. But persistence despite persecution isn't a good way to succeed.
I think it's important to create a balanced market, where both men and women have equal say. Because this is what you need to make it fair and square for everybody involved. Or else you end up with one side having an advantage over the other. Which provides good reasons for politicians and government bureaucrats to persecute everybody involved and make it difficult for everyone.
When there is unfairness, then there is political support to make the whole market illegal and drive everybody in it underground.Well, then Smooci's Customer Review system is exactly what the doctor ordered if the goal is to create a P4P industry where what occurs between the customer and the provider is so tame, mild and uneventful that it meets the Ladies Home Journal Approval standards of equality, fairness and legality, about as naughty and worth a man's time and money as circle chain pony ride at Kiddie Land.
Well, then Smooci's Customer Review system is exactly what the doctor ordered if the goal is to create a P4P industry where what occurs between the customer and the provider is so tame, mild and uneventful that it meets the Ladies Home Journal Approval standards of equality, fairness and legality, about as naughty and worth a man's time and money as circle chain pony ride at Kiddie Land.I'd say that having balance between men and women leads to mutual respect, rather than tameness.
If you look at the porn industry, where there is some balance between men and women, then you can find all kinds of kinky and hardcore stuff to enjoy watching.
There are some women who want to do hardcore stuff, some women who don't, and some women who progress from doing softcore to hardcore. Having balance between women and guys doesn't eliminate this. But it does eliminate undue pressure and not taking 'No' for an answer.
The lady isn't going to give you a bad review, if she told you 'No' for something you wanted to do, and you've listened to her. But if you force yourself on her, then of course, she'll give you a bad review.
And the ladies, who are willing to do the kinky and hardcore stuff, have an incentive to do so. Because this is how they get especially good reviews from guys and become popular among guys. That's why porn ladies do it. And it works the same way in the P4P industry.
I'd say that having balance between men and women leads to mutual respect, rather than tameness.
If you look at the porn industry, where there is some balance between men and women, then you can find all kinds of kinky and hardcore stuff to enjoy watching.
There are some women who want to do hardcore stuff, some women who don't, and some women who progress from doing softcore to hardcore. Having balance between women and guys doesn't eliminate this. But it does eliminate undue pressure and not taking 'No' for an answer.
The lady isn't going to give you a bad review, if she told you 'No' for something you wanted to do, and you've listened to her. But if you force yourself on her, then of course, she'll give you a bad review.
And the ladies, who are willing to do the kinky and hardcore stuff, have an incentive to do so. Because this is how they get especially good reviews from guys and become popular among guys. That's why porn ladies do it. And it works the same way in the P4P industry.Really? I often read glowing reviews from guys who are describing pretty tame stuff. The porn industry has nothing to do with what happens behind closed doors in private between a P4P girl and her customer.
Look, the decline in quality of service in the Thai P4P industry has not come about because there are too many over-demanding cheap charlies forcing girls to do more than they damn well feel like doing for almost no money. LOL. Far from it. The opposite of it, in fact.
Even without a communication network available for P4P girls to help each other select for low to no demand customers who will happily overpay for very little with a smile and weed out those who might actually expect the girl to deliver on the advertised services, the balance overwhelmingly favors the girls getting closer to their ideal customer reward than the customer getting his ideal reward from the girl. With the communication network, there is no reason to expect that balance to come any closer to favoring the customer side rather than making it even more favorable for slacker girls than ever.
I'd say that having balance between men and women leads to mutual respect, rather than tameness.
If you look at the porn industry, where there is some balance between men and women, then you can find all kinds of kinky and hardcore stuff to enjoy watching.
There are some women who want to do hardcore stuff, some women who don't, and some women who progress from doing softcore to hardcore. Having balance between women and guys doesn't eliminate this. But it does eliminate undue pressure and not taking 'No' for an answer.
The lady isn't going to give you a bad review, if she told you 'No' for something you wanted to do, and you've listened to her. But if you force yourself on her, then of course, she'll give you a bad review.
And the ladies, who are willing to do the kinky and hardcore stuff, have an incentive to do so. Because this is how they get especially good reviews from guys and become popular among guys. That's why porn ladies do it. And it works the same way in the P4P industry.Dan7373,
Not all have the same mentality as us who really understand.
"The self centered and I pay you must do and say yes" thinking just cannot absorb that there is no One way traffic and instead is 2 way traffic now.
No more "customer is always right."
I always mention, in this Era, "If you want good service, Be a good customer first" If you are one, they are more willing to go a little extra miles.
A good session takes both hands to clap.
Ebay, a very successful company from what I understand, disagrees with you. A few years ago they stopped giving the Seller the option to leave negative reviews of buyers largely because of the problem of retaliatory feedback and how it can make buyers hesitant to leave honest reviews.Probably not as successful as the Chinese TaoBao.
Ebay is so "Then" now. Ebay is going to be like the "Friendster".
Crocodilexp
02-15-18, 03:34
Smooci is failing to understand that they're not Uber, Amazon or AirBnB, and that in their line of business, privacy of the customers is paramount.
An online working girl booking service which keeps my credit card data and full name on file, along with a full history of what every hooker I slept with thought about me? Moreover, it gives access to real name and reviews to any random hooker that I might book? No, thanks.
Even if Smooci was eager to guard customer privacy as much as possible (which obviously it isn't), simply storing it is a major problem. From security breeches, to changes of ownership, it is virtually guaranteed that such data will at one point leak, and be abused.
Customers should be allowed to sign up under a pseudonym, and pay anonymously for premium services. Reviews of customers are a horrid idea, even when associated with a pseudonym, as it's way too easy to connect the dots to identity. This is a separate issue from a customer-service problem, with girls cherry-picking the "easiest" customers.
Sex providers and customers are NOT equal sides (generally, sellers and buyers are not exactly equal either, but this is a special case). Girls working as prostitutes also deserve some privacy protections, but they inherently cannot retain full privacy, since they need to advertise to get and keep business (either post at minimum a picture online or work at a bar / street corner in the offline world).
Franciscass
02-15-18, 06:54
IMHO it is seriously inadvisable to give credit card details when using P4P services. The opportunities for blackmail and fraudulent misuse of the card are just too obvious to be ignored. Payments should be in cash.
Additionally having to give your real name when booking should not be necessary, all that is needed is the confirmed location of the rendezvous.
A sense of anonymity is important to a lot of customers particularly those in existing relationships which is why I use only on site facilities or take my lady straight to a short time hotel.
Escorts troubled by the possibility of meeting unpleasant customers could and should form their own on line support group to advise on who to avoid.
I don't get the thing about escorts using whatever posts are available from wherever and only picking easily satisfied clients and avoiding those that like certain services. Some escorts can be choosy because they have numerous bookings, most I believe just don't have the luxury of turning down bookings.
That said some will miss out on bookings by limiting what services they provide. These must be clearly stated by the agency on their profile. Personally I would not part with money until this was confirmed by the escort herself.
Pics should be recent and age should be accurate. If all this is in place and both parties are reasonable, I. E the escort delivers a good experience for the client according to what he likes and what was agreed to and the client in return treats her right what can go wrong?
Consistently apparently quite a lot for some members.
Really? I often read glowing reviews from guys who are describing pretty tame stuff. The porn industry has nothing to do with what happens behind closed doors in private between a P4P girl and her customer....I'm surprised that you don't see any relationship between porn and P4P. Because porn-stars have lots of sex with many guys in exchange for money. Which is exactly what P4P women do too. The only difference between them is that porn-stars film their sexual encounters, while P4P women don't.
Porn-stars show you what experienced women can do. And they also appreciate having many porn-fans, who like their pussy and buns.
Normally, a guy would feel jealous and uncomfortable, when he knows that the woman he is with has been sleeping around with many guys. I've tried to overcome this feeling by sleeping around with many ladies, so that I wouldn't be any different from them. But it was porn that made me feel okay about women like that. My experience of being a porn-fan of various good-looking ladies in porn made me feel the same way about P4P ladies. I'm the P4P lady's porn-fan, when I go after her pussy and bum.
That's why I can respect the lady, even while I pound her with my cock. It's like she is a popular lady, who is doing me a favor, a balls-deep favor that is. Which is the best favor you can have from a hot, good-looking lady.
For any market to work well, you need to have mutual respect and bargaining-power-balance between buyers and sellers. Because when you break this balance, then you get either too many customers or too many sellers, depending on who gets the advantage. And this destroys the market by either driving down prices to an unsustainable level, or by jacking up prices so much that most people can't pay.
This is a basic market principle that's true for any market, including the dating market, the marriage market, and the P4P market.
I'm surprised that you don't see any relationship between porn and P4P. Because porn-stars have lots of sex with many guys in exchange for money. Which is exactly what P4P women do too. The only difference between them is that porn-stars film their sexual encounters, while P4P women don't.
Porn-stars show you what experienced women can do. And they also appreciate having many porn-fans, who like their pussy and buns.
Normally, a guy would feel jealous and uncomfortable, when he knows that the woman he is with has been sleeping around with many guys. I've tried to overcome this feeling by sleeping around with many ladies, so that I wouldn't be any different from them. But it was porn that made me feel okay about women like that. My experience of being a porn-fan of various good-looking ladies in porn made me feel the same way about P4P ladies. I'm the P4P lady's porn-fan, when I go after her pussy and bum.
That's why I can respect the lady, even while I pound her with my cock. It's like she is a popular lady, who is doing me a favor, a balls-deep favor that is. Which is the best favor you can have from a hot, good-looking lady.
For any market to work well, you need to have mutual respect and bargaining-power-balance between buyers and sellers. Because when you break this balance, then you get either too many customers or too many sellers, depending on who gets the advantage. And this destroys the market by either driving down prices to an unsustainable level, or by jacking up prices so much that most people can't pay.
This is a basic market principle that's true for any market, including the dating market, the marriage market, and the P4P market.In porn the "customer" is the viewer of the video, not the man performing the sex act and not the woman performing the sex act. They are paid actors whose job it is to make it "look" like one, both or all ten of them are into it with each other when it might be that none of them are into it. Yes, that even includes the man with an erection in the video. Quite often, the guy even has to (or chooses to for the sake of "showing" the money shot) jerk himself off in order to finish outside the woman's mouth, vagina or anus, something I doubt any of those porn actors would tolerate when they have sex without a camera present and what I would probably consider botching her job so badly I might actually refuse to pay a P4 P girl if she had clearly agreed to a much better finish than that.
Not to mention the filming experience is stop and go, new set ups and angles between edits in order to make it "look" even more like he and she are into it, into each other and better at performing sex than they are in real life.
Smooci is failing to understand that they're not Uber, Amazon or AirBnB, and that in their line of business, privacy of the customers is paramount.
An online working girl booking service which keeps my credit card data and full name on file, along with a full history of what every hooker I slept with thought about me? Moreover, it gives access to real name and reviews to any random hooker that I might book? No, thanks.
Even if Smooci was eager to guard customer privacy as much as possible (which obviously it isn't), simply storing it is a major problem. From security breeches, to changes of ownership, it is virtually guaranteed that such data will at one point leak, and be abused.
Customers should be allowed to sign up under a pseudonym, and pay anonymously for premium services. Reviews of customers are a horrid idea, even when associated with a pseudonym, as it's way too easy to connect the dots to identity. This is a separate issue from a customer-service problem, with girls cherry-picking the "easiest" customers...If any post in this conversation deserves all caps it would be this one, for those who have 'ears to hear'/ eyes to see. Well said Croc.
.... Not to mention the filming experience is stop and go, new set ups and angles between edits in order to make it "look" even more like he and she are into it, into each other and better at performing sex than they are in real life.Perhaps you aren't into Porn Star Experience (PSE) as much as I am. Because you've just described the best parts that I like about porn sex.
Stop and go, new set ups, different angles, and making it look good for the viewer means that you get to penetrate the hot chick with your dick many times. You last for a long time with her. You take her in several different positions. And you get to pound her for all you are worth, withdraw before you cum, take a rest, then pound her some more.
I'm not sure why you don't like this. But this sounds pretty good to me. This is actually something I'd like to do with a good-looking P4P lady.
Perhaps you aren't into Porn Star Experience (PSE) as much as I am. Because you've just described the best parts that I like about porn sex.
Stop and go, new set ups, different angles, and making it look good for the viewer means that you get to penetrate the hot chick with your dick many times. You last for a long time with her. You take her in several different positions. And you get to pound her for all you are worth, withdraw before you cum, take a rest, then pound her some more.
I'm not sure why you don't like this. But this sounds pretty good to me. This is actually something I'd like to do with a good-looking P4P lady.I like stop and go just fine. What I meant was what you are seeing in a porn video has often been hobbled together with only the highlights left in but the lulls and wait times between set ups edited out. He is not the "customer" being serviced by her. She has not been hired to give him the best sexual experience she can deliver, only to behave in such a way that it "looks" like that is what she has delivered. The fact that he, the hired porn actor, is expected to pull out in order to "show" the real customers, the viewers, the Money Shot not only works against it being anything like what would occur between those two people if they were really into each other and alone in a room without a camera present, but totally unacceptable to me if I were paying the girl to have sex with me under virtually any circumstances.
The fact that porn sex is practically 100% condom-free is the best argument in favor of paying extra for a so-called PSE with a P4P girl. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the result most guys even expect or demand from it. But the need to "show" us the Money Shot, the guy cumming, renders most finishes in porn pathetically inadequate and certainly not worth an hour of my time or much if any of my money were I to be paying thousands of baht to get it with an escort or any other Thai P4P girl.
And finishing a blowjob the way most porn actors have to do it in order to "show" us the Money Shot is utterly unacceptable in my real life; he pulls away from her mouth to jerk himself off into the open air. Ugh. If he does cum fully into her mouth, the porn actress will then probably spit it back out into her hand or something and display it for the camera that way. Horrible. They'd have to pay me to endure that rather than me paying them for it. There are only a tiny handful of porn actresses who can finish a blowjob on camera where it actually looks like it would be a wonderful finish in real life, essentially finishing it orally and inside the mouth while still managing to "show" the video viewer that the man is cumming big time. Heather Brooke and Camille Crimson come to mind. Not many others. And they're both swallowers.
Franciscass
02-16-18, 05:46
There are only a tiny handful of porn actresses who can finish a blowjob on camera where it actually looks like it would be a wonderful finish in real life, essentially finishing it orally and inside the mouth while still managing to "show" the video viewer that the man is cumming big time. Heather Brooke and Camille Crimson come to mind. Not many others. And they're both swallowers.And now we're all off to google Heather Brooke and Camille Crimson.
ShimShimHeyo
02-16-18, 06:44
Smooci is failing to understand that they're not Uber, Amazon or AirBnB, and that in their line of business, privacy of the customers is paramount.
An online working girl booking service which keeps my credit card data and full name on file, along with a full history of what every hooker I slept with thought about me? Moreover, it gives access to real name and reviews to any random hooker that I might book? No, thanks.
Even if Smooci was eager to guard customer privacy as much as possible (which obviously it isn't), simply storing it is a major problem. From security breeches, to changes of ownership, it is virtually guaranteed that such data will at one point leak, and be abused.
Customers should be allowed to sign up under a pseudonym, and pay anonymously for premium services. Reviews of customers are a horrid idea, even when associated with a pseudonym, as it's way too easy to connect the dots to identity. This is a separate issue from a customer-service problem, with girls cherry-picking the "easiest" customers.
Sex providers and customers are NOT equal sides (generally, sellers and buyers are not exactly equal either, but this is a special case). Girls working as prostitutes also deserve some privacy protections, but they inherently cannot retain full privacy, since they need to advertise to get and keep business (either post at minimum a picture online or work at a bar / street corner in the offline world).There are some really valid points here, enough to possibly convince me to stay off smooci. Yes, it is easy, convenient and a little cheaper but the expansion to storing credit card information, independent listings and client reviews really escalates the privacy and security risk. If anyone of you recognize me in the short time I've been on this forum will know that I've been an avid supporter of outcall escorts in Bangkok. Smooci is really making me reconsider. I don't know for sure but for now, gogo bgs, MP bgs and gees, even to a certain degree, Thermae indys are looking like the safer option.
Smooci? I am asking with an open and receptive mind. What is your response to Croc's opinion? I am on the fence and want to know your side of the issue.
We are open to feedback and debate, but its' important to clear up the misinformation some people are posting here.
When a client makes a booking, the information we require are the hotel name and room number, name on the room, email address, and a mobile phone number. The client only needs to give a first name, we do not require a surname in order to confirm the booking. While it is helpful to have a full name, if the client only puts a first name (which the vast majority of clients do), the booking still goes through and it is confirmed.
We do not keep credit card details on file.
For card payments of premium memberships, these payments are made through a secure third party company. This info is not stored on our system, we are informed that we have received a payment and given the email address and payment amount which is used to create the account.
The only time we would be sent additional info is when a card payment is flagged a fraudulent and the payment company send us the full name on the card to check if it matches the details we have and this is very rare.
Regarding client reviews, this isn't fully rolled out yet and we are listening to feedback from clients and companions. We started allowing companions to rate and comment on clients last month and at first we were just storing and reviewing that info. We allowed a small group of independents to receive this to test it and get their feedback.
The feedback from the companions has been very positive; it helps them quickly confirm whether a client is genuine and helps cut out false bookings. We have also received mixed feedback from clients, with the main concerns over security.
We have taken the feedback on board and we have stopped the companions receiving this info. However, we are still looking to find the best way to give the companions more information to accept bookings with confidence and ultimately show that a client is safe and genuine. This may now be using a simpler system which doesn't reveal the number of bookings and written details of past bookings, but involving a badge and flagging system.
A quick response to the other comments mentioned:
The GPS tracking works successfully in over 90% of cases. It does rely on the companion having an undisrupted network signal, so in cases when a companion loses, or has a poor network signal, the tracking will have errors.
Companions are encouraged to be on time and to inform the client when they are running late. The Smooci system sends a reminder to the companion 1 hour before a booking, and if the companion hasn't already click o start her journey the system sends another reminder 30 minutes before, also warning them to inform the client if they are running late. The client is also given direct contact with the companion and / or agency.
Regarding unprotected sex; Smooci doesn't allow companions to advertise unprotected full sex and doesn't encourage it. This is something we will not change our stance on.
I like stop and go just fine. What I meant was what you are seeing in a porn video has often been hobbled together with only the highlights left in but the lulls and wait times between set ups edited out. He is not the "customer" being serviced by her. She has not been hired to give him the best sexual experience she can deliver, only to behave in such a way that it "looks" like that is what she has delivered. ....I think it's important to remember that porn isn't just sex for show. It's sex for show to a male audience.
It usually starts out with the hot lady strip-teasing you with her pussy, tits, and ass. She drives you into a frenzy of lust. And then she gets a guy or several guys to do her hard-and-fast in the way guys in the audience want to see her done.
She is having sex totally for the guys. And that's why it looks so good to all the guys watching her. And of course, she isn't doing it all by herself. She gets her guy or guys to nail her just the way guys in the audience want to see her done.
"So, how does the lady know what guys in the audience want to see?" You might ask.
And of course, the lady doesn't know. She relies on her guy to nail her just the way other guys want to see her done. Guys have a lot in common with each other. And that's why the lady needs to rely on her banging guy to imagine what the male audience wants to see and do her exactly this way.
From what I've read about making porn, the porn stars, porn studs, and the film director usually get together and plan their sex-scene. But it always ends being what the guys want to see, because they are doing it for a male audience. And they don't necessarily plan out every detail. The details are often left for the banging guy to decide in the heat of the moment.
And of course, the lady's banging guy can't read the minds of other guys. He can only fantasize about the lady from his own male point of view and assume that sex fantasies of other guys are probably like this too.
So in effect, the guy banging the lady gets to fulfill his own sex fantasies with her. The only concession he makes to the audience is that he needs to exaggerate his sex acts, do them repeatedly in a variety of ways, and make it last for a long time too. Because guys in the audience might not see everything right away. And even if they see it, they still need time to watch and enjoy it.
The guy banging the hot lady in porn gets to fulfill his most extreme fantasies for her. Because he just needs to say to the lady that other guys want to see her done this way. And she has no way of knowing if this is true or not. She needs to rely on his judgment and opinion. Because as a guy, he is in a better position to know what other guys want to see, than she is.
P4P ladies don't usually watch porn made for guys. And that's why they often don't know how guys want to plow. But you can remedy the situation and provide the lady with some sex-education. You can load some GIF animation clips on your phone and quickly show them to the lady you like. This is a quick way to communicate to the hot chick how you want to do her with your dick.
P4P ladies are also doing it for guys. And that's why they might want to learn from experienced ladies in porn.
Great to see that the concerns are being addressed and fixed.
Why the full name as an option when it's not necessary though? Would be better to go out of your way as a company / app to protect the customer's privacy, for their own good.
Franciscass
02-16-18, 16:23
My favorite thread at the moment, partly because of the interesting conversation between ET and Dan on the similarities or lack thereof between P4P and porn which incidentally Dan I have to admit ET at least IMHO is winning.
Smooci is a good platform for booking escorts. I cannot believe they are out to cause unnecessary problems for customers and seem to be more than open to taking on legitimate concerns while helping the girls avoid unpleasant situations and in case you're wondering no I have no skin in the game.
Useless post, I know.
Coming down in the next week.
I don't see a private messaging system on Smooci before you actually book the girl and so I expect all further negotiations take place in person? I'm interested in securing bareback encounters, BBBJ / BBFS, CIM and CIP.
When going through Smooci in Bangkok, anyone have experiences securing / failing to secure this? I've done enough mongering to just be done with condoms and don't mind doing the extra leg work or paying more for bareback.
I can bring clean test results from the US if that matters to the local girls.
Any input would be appreciated.
Coming down in the next week.
I don't see a private messaging system on Smooci before you actually book the girl and so I expect all further negotiations take place in person? I'm interested in securing bareback encounters, BBBJ / BBFS, CIM and CIP.
When going through Smooci in Bangkok, anyone have experiences securing / failing to secure this? I've done enough mongering to just be done with condoms and don't mind doing the extra leg work or paying more for bareback.
I can bring clean test results from the US if that matters to the local girls.
Any input would be appreciated.Quote from Smooci's previous post: "Regarding unprotected sex; Smooci doesn't allow companions to advertise unprotected full sex and doesn't encourage it. This is something we will not change our stance on".
Coming down in the next week.
I don't see a private messaging system on Smooci before you actually book the girl and so I expect all further negotiations take place in person? I'm interested in securing bareback encounters, BBBJ / BBFS, CIM and CIP.
When going through Smooci in Bangkok, anyone have experiences securing / failing to secure this? I've done enough mongering to just be done with condoms and don't mind doing the extra leg work or paying more for bareback.
I can bring clean test results from the US if that matters to the local girls.
Any input would be appreciated.I am with you on most of that. In my case, I have had a vasectomy to be safer from unwanted pregnancy as well. And I am circumcised, although I never bother to mention that upfront since it is too complicated to explain why that is an added precaution against disease.
Of course, many of the girls on Smooci state they provide CIM, so that part shouldn't be difficult to filter out for. I see there is a Special Request box on the first page of the booking process. Why not state your BBFS request there along with whatever conditions relate like the clean test results and the extra payment proposal and see what happens? Smooci says they don't allow the companions to advertise unprotected full sex and don't encourage it. But that doesn't mean it isn't done between the companions and the customers, especially since they are now listing Independents/Freelancers in their service.
I think the move would be NOT to "ask" if the girl is ok with BBFS as long as you can show her a clean test result, pay extra or whatever in that Special Request box. I think the move is to simply request it with those conditions included. I have no idea who or how many people read that Special Request box other than the companion herself, if that. But I would not put her in a position of having to give a written "Yes" response to such a request at that point. I would just state what I want and what I have done and am prepared to do to get it. Then, if the girl accepts the booking and shows up you have every reason to assume a negotiation for BBFS is very much on the table rather than assume she would put up some dramatic show of shock about it.
I have not read that Smooci now charges a cancellation fee for their regular companions. Do they? If not, then a girl showing up after having been told what you want in the Special Request box but who then adamantly refuses to provide what you requested under any circumstances ought to know that a cancellation even after arriving is a distinct probability.
Speaking of Independents/Freelancers and cancellation fees, I notice Smooci's freelancers routinely state full payment must be made upfront, within "10 minutes of arrival" and that there is a 1,000-1,500 baht cancellation fee for them. Which is hilarious since 1,000-1,500 baht is an amount of money one might easily pay a Bkk freelancer after she fully delivered a 60-90 minute Short Time, often including BBFS or BBBJ+CIM+Swallow with a smile, in the first place. How is that cancellation fee handled? Is it taken out of your credit card or handed to the girl in person after you discover she is 10 kilos heavier and 15 years older than indicated in her profile and photos? LOL.
Franciscass
02-21-18, 16:06
Smooci have a stated policy of not allowing escorts advertise BBFS which may also include customers requesting it. Need to wait and see their response.
I understand escorts for obvious reasons asking for payment within 10 minutes. This is routine in most developed markets.
The 10 minutes should be used for both parties to decide whether they want to continue during which time the customer confirms what he has specifically requested and expects is acceptable.
IMHO the so called cancellation fee should depend on the circumstances. If she looks nothing like her advertised profile vis a vis her age and appearance I would say no thank you, bye and close the door. If there was a genuine misunderstanding of some sort then I would explain say sorry and give 1 k.
We don't enforce any specific cancellation policy. Ultimately we are trying to work as a next generation directory, helping the client and the companion to create an agreement of terms and services before both parties confirm the booking.
There were some initial issues regarding cancellations and payment options, so to attempt to solve this we now give the companions / agencies a blank text spaces to write any cancellation policies and payment options, with the information visible on the companions profile.
We have also added default text in these spaces to help the companions, as the first indepedents didn't understand what to put, but this text is editable.
Crocodilexp
02-22-18, 11:46
I understand escorts for obvious reasons asking for payment within 10 minutes. This is routine in most developed markets.No, that is only routine in any markets where escorts have the upper hand and the customer has limited options. Thailand has always been a pay-after-sex sort of place, at least in the Farang-oriented scene, with very few exceptions (such as soapy massage parlors and low-end brothels).
I can't remember the last time I had a good experience after paying in advance. Acceptable, maybe, good, usually not.
TravelingMoron
02-22-18, 11:52
No, that is only routine in any markets where escorts have the upper hand and the customer has limited options. Thailand has always been a pay-after-sex sort of place, at least in the Farang-oriented scene, with very few exceptions (such as soapy massage parlors and low-end brothels).
I can't remember the last time I had a good experience after paying in advance. Acceptable, maybe, good, usually not.Yea I agree, that would be like going to MacDonalds asking for a double cheese burger and only getting a ham burger then them telling you you can't have a refund. Screw that eh!
No, that is only routine in any markets where escorts have the upper hand and the customer has limited options. Thailand has always been a pay-after-sex sort of place, at least in the Farang-oriented scene, with very few exceptions (such as soapy massage parlors and low-end brothels).
I can't remember the last time I had a good experience after paying in advance. Acceptable, maybe, good, usually not.I not really agree on this mate. In fact for service first and pay later policy are only the minor group of customers who demanded it.
Many or most places only do payment first and service comes. Though there are some option for service first and pay (BJ shop, small massage joints).
Thailand not has always been pay after sex. This only applies to the Freelance from disco or street walkers. Not just for farang, to all nationalities. Its all to the self neg.
Malaysia, Singapore, Taiwan, Shanghai, Europe, States, Canada etc. Most online escorts require the $$Gift) to be presented before the session starts. Be it by hand or leave on the table for her to see.
Whether a not for paying after the service are all from the self demand and neg with the escorts or the agency directly.
Upfront listing or their ads are all payment before session starts.
Can't expect one's demand to over rule the fundamental policies of the market.
Nothing to do with who has the upper hand or limited option or not.
I not really agree on this mate. In fact for service first and pay later policy are only the minor group of customers who demanded it.
Many or most places only do payment first and service comes. Though there are some option for service first and pay (BJ shop, small massage joints).
Thailand not has always been pay after sex. This only applies to the Freelance from disco or street walkers. Not just for farang, to all nationalities. Its all to the self neg.
Can't speak for "not has always" or for the Thai Escort scene specifically, but 20-25 years ago when I mongered in Thailand and the Philippines (mostly Angeles City) several weeks per year, one major difference between Thailand's P4P scene in both Bangkok and Pattaya vs Angeles City in the Philippines was that Thailand was PAY-AFTER (so was Manila) while Angeles City was PAY-BEFORE. The internet message boards raged incessantly over the difference. Mongers to both destinations argued about which was a better system for delivery of services; Thailand's (and Manila's) PAY-AFTER system or Angeles City's PAY-BEFORE system. I assure you of that because I was always on the PAY-AFTER side of those pervasive and heated discussions.
And in the past 5+ years I have lived and mongered in Bangkok/Pattaya, Thailand, PAY-AFTER is still the dominant system for go-go bars (talking about the girl's money, not talking about the barfine paid to the bar), beer bars, BJ Bars, Massage Shops and Freelancers. The only exceptions to most of those is when the mamasan or provider thinks she can pull a fast one on an unsuspecting or inexperienced monger and get him to PAY-BEFORE and therefore accept whatever crappy service the girl delivers afterwards having already fully paid up as though she had done a really fine job of it.
Again, can't speak for the Escort scene on that count. And I'm not talking about the big fishbowl operations, where I also have limited (and less than worthwhile) experience. But even in Angeles City, the Philippines, where I did on occasion partake of a hotel delivery escort and in an environment where almost everything was that lame "all-inclusive/PAY-BEFORE" nonsense, I usually paid the escort after and the escort seemed to accept that as the norm. But I suspect that was because the few hotel delivery escorts I had were all from Manila anyway, had worked there previously and found themselves working in Angeles City only for family reasons.
Franciscass
02-23-18, 05:12
No, that is only routine in any markets where escorts have the upper hand and the customer has limited options. Thailand has always been a pay-after-sex sort of place, at least in the Farang-oriented scene, with very few exceptions (such as soapy massage parlors and low-end brothels).
I can't remember the last time I had a good experience after paying in advance. Acceptable, maybe, good, usually not.I was specifically talking about the escort scene when suggesting upfront payment is standard in developed P4P markets. For validation simply check out terms and conditions on escort sites worldwide including some in Thailand.
In Thailand for as far back as I can remember paying upfront is certainly standard at soapies. Additionally in the past 5 years or so a lot of oilies have changed from the old system of paying for the massage down stairs and paying the girl for service in the room at the end of the session. Those that have changed in most instances have the whole fee paid up front. Even some shops in the low end BJ bar scene have upfront payment.
I totally agree it is not standard practice in the go go or FL scene.
Moving on I would differ with the proposition that in general paying upfront results in subpar service. I imagine the reasoning supporting this goes something like: If I don't deliver a good time he won't pay me as opposed to I'm paid so I'll sleepwalk through this and get out as quick as I can.
Without going into the ins and outs whether this makes sense I'll simply say it hasn't been my experience.
Personally I prefer paying at the end of the session but it is what it is.
Other day I saw an Indy being listed on Smooci and I decided to google her name (forget what it was now). What I found was a link to an escort agency and photo's of the same girl. Have to wonder if the agency's rush to advertise on smooci will bring about some of their girls breaking away to go the indy route.
Can't speak for "not has always" or for the Thai Escort scene specifically, but 20-25 years ago when I mongered in Thailand and the Philippines (mostly Angeles City) several weeks per year, one major difference between Thailand's P4P scene in both Bangkok and Pattaya vs Angeles City in the Philippines was that Thailand was PAY-AFTER (so was Manila) while Angeles City was PAY-BEFORE. The internet message boards raged incessantly over the difference. Mongers to both destinations argued about which was a better system for delivery of services; Thailand's (and Manila's) PAY-AFTER system or Angeles City's PAY-BEFORE system. I assure you of that because I was always on the PAY-AFTER side of those pervasive and heated discussions.
And in the past 5+ years I have lived and mongered in Bangkok/Pattaya, Thailand, PAY-AFTER is still the dominant system for go-go bars (talking about the girl's money, not talking about the barfine paid to the bar), beer bars, BJ Bars, Massage Shops and Freelancers. The only exceptions to most of those is when the mamasan or provider thinks she can pull a fast one on an unsuspecting or inexperienced monger and get him to PAY-BEFORE and therefore accept whatever crappy service the girl delivers afterwards having already fully paid up as though she had done a really fine job of it..Well, everyone has their shares of experience.
Who am I to cast yours away?
But, lets say, if all along is according to your "experience", it must be some drastic measure for the establishments because from some nasty customer who don't wish to pay the full amount or even the not at all to the girl after the session. Or even do some other "Low" stuffs to the girls. Not being gentlemen at all.
If not, why the changes over the times? Right?
We shall not say most but the amount of nasty customer enough, to an extend that makes many agency, bars and etc to take up, "Money first before services" policy.
Everything happens for a reason.
Other day I saw an Indy being listed on Smooci and I decided to google her name (forget what it was now). What I found was a link to an escort agency and photo's of the same girl. Have to wonder if the agency's rush to advertise on smooci will bring about some of their girls breaking away to go the indy route.If the girls are going to be paid 1,000-1,500 "cancellation fee" just for showing up to reveal a shocking difference between their photos and profile statements, I would be surprised if almost ALL of them didn't choose to go the "Independent" route.
Moving on I would differ with the proposition that in general paying upfront results in subpar service. I imagine the reasoning supporting this goes something like: If I don't deliver a good time he won't pay me as opposed to I'm paid so I'll sleepwalk through this and get out as quick as I can.
Without going into the ins and outs whether this makes sense I'll simply say it hasn't been my experience.
Personally I prefer paying at the end of the session but it is what it is.I suppose we can only go by our own non-scientific survey results, but my experience is similar to Crocodilexp's; I can't think of one time in thousands of PAY-AFTER sessions and I guess a couple of hundred PAY-BEFORE sessions where my paying the P4P girl BEFORE resulted in a better than acceptable experience. That was even true of my Angeles City, Philippines PAY-BEFORE experiences vs my Manila PAY-AFTER experiences years ago. In those days I was ok with staying in Angeles City and having PAY-BEFORE go-go bar girls because my main concern then as now was whether or not I would get a REAL GFE and that was standard all over the Philippines. But if I stayed in Angeles City I could stay longer because it was much cheaper than Manila. LOL. In those days. However, it was clear my PAY-AFTER Philippina go-go bargirl sessions in Manila were far superior to my PAY-BEFORE Angeles City experiences.
It isn't so much that we, the customers, are dangling the money over the girls' head and making them jump through flaming hoops to get to it. It is that we are in the presence of someone who understands it is up to her to earn the money first and her mind is focused on that during the session rather than how she is going to spend the money already banked in her purse (or, worse, in Angeles City it was banked at the bar before we left it!) with her friends or boyfriend as soon as she gets the hell out of this room.
ShimShimHeyo
02-27-18, 14:14
I suppose we can only go by our own non-scientific survey results, but my experience is similar to Crocodilexp's; I can't think of one time in thousands of PAY-AFTER sessions and I guess a couple of hundred PAY-BEFORE sessions where my paying the P4P girl BEFORE resulted in a better than acceptable experience. That was even true of my Angeles City, Philippines PAY-BEFORE experiences vs my Manila PAY-AFTER experiences years ago. In those days I was ok with staying in Angeles City and having PAY-BEFORE go-go bar girls because my main concern then as now was whether or not I would get a REAL GFE and that was standard all over the Philippines. But if I stayed in Angeles City I could stay longer because it was much cheaper than Manila. LOL. In those days. However, it was clear my PAY-AFTER Philippina go-go bargirl sessions in Manila were far superior to my PAY-BEFORE Angeles City experiences.
It isn't so much that we, the customers, are dangling the money over the girls' head and making them jump through flaming hoops to get to it. It is that we are in the presence of someone who understands it is up to her to earn the money first and her mind is focused on that during the session rather than how she is going to spend the money already banked in her purse (or, worse, in Angeles City it was banked at the bar before we left it!) with her friends or boyfriend as soon as she gets the hell out of this room.I booked Cherry from Bangkok Escorts and paid in advance. She counted the cash and what followed was the worst experience I have ever had with an escort. Bitchy, irritable and even asked me to give her my phone. I shit you not, she wanted my phone. No joke, she really asked for my phone. I have no doubt that it would have been completely different if it was a pay-after model.
I booked Cherry from Bangkok Escorts and paid in advance. She counted the cash and what followed was the worst experience I have ever had with an escort. Bitchy, irritable and even asked me to give her my phone. I shit you not, she wanted my phone. No joke, she really asked for my phone. I have no doubt that it would have been completely different if it was a pay-after model.I think it is possible that the service you get by paying upfront in a Massage Shop, a Soapy or one of those fish tank operations might be almost the same as if you paid after. I am not experienced enough with those kinds of places to make a comparison. In my case, the experiences have been pretty bad either way in those kinds of venues anyway. But it seems like if the action takes place on their premises, it is incumbent on the provider to represent her venue well even if the customer has already paid upfront, not wanting a truly unhappy customer to stop at the counter on the way out to lodge a loud complaint. I suppose. But I'll bet the PAY-AFTER shops are still more reliable for a great time than the PAY-BEFORE shops for the true aficionados of those kinds of venues.
However, for P4P situations where the girl comes to your room, paying her upfront, no matter how many assurances she gives you about how this is just to make her feel more comfortable or whatever "horror" stories she spins about customers not paying her afterwards, is almost certain to produce something between the worst experiences and the most forgettable ones. She's got your money, her job is done, her mind is already on the other side of that door and it is tugging her body in that same direction with all its might.
As with the cancellation policies, we don't enforce any specific payment policy.
We launched Smooci using a group of agencies, and all the initial agencies had a pay in advance policy. It's worth noting that every escort agency we looked at and talked too used this policy, and not just in Thailand, as well as other services such as soapies and higher end massage.
Now we are starting to introduce independents onto the platform we give them a text box to write / edit their own payment policy, and they are able to request payment at the start or at the end of the booking.
Crocodilexp
02-28-18, 22:51
I think it is possible that the service you get by paying upfront in a Massage Shop, a Soapy or one of those fish tank operations might be almost the same as if you paid after.
However, for P4P situations where the girl comes to your room, paying her upfront, no matter how many assurances she gives you about how this is just to make her feel more comfortable or whatever "horror" stories she spins about customers not paying her afterwards, is almost certain to produce something between the worst experiences and the most forgettable ones. She's got your money, her job is done, her mind is already on the other side of that door and it is tugging her body in that same direction with all its might.
Insightful and well said, agree 100%.
Regarding massage shops, only a handful have a reputation to protect. In the few that do (like Tulip or Snow White), I don't care if I pay upfront or later, outcome is the same. Most of the shops don't care much for reputation and provide borderline lousy service anyway. At those places, paying later gives you some slight leverage, but you're still on their turf and outmatched in case of any dispute, so it isn't too huge.
With a girl in your room, you could decide to pay her nothing at all if service is bad or she's too aggravating, and she's well aware of that. I'd never pay zero myself, but some guys would, depending on how pissed off they are. Paying after the deed gives the customer a substantial advantage, and there's nothing that the girl can do about it except try to be nice (sure, they can try revenge after the fact, but that's a big hurdle). If the customer throws that advantage away by agreeing to pay upfront, he deserves the misery that's coming.
Gigi Buffon
03-01-18, 04:32
I booked Cherry from Bangkok Escorts and paid in advance. She counted the cash and what followed was the worst experience I have ever had with an escort. Bitchy, irritable and even asked me to give her my phone. I shit you not, she wanted my phone. No joke, she really asked for my phone. I have no doubt that it would have been completely different if it was a pay-after model.I booked her (Cherry from Bangkok Escort) several times early last year. The first time she asked for the money upfront, but the other times, she did not and I paid her at the end. In all occasions, the service provided was above average and I enjoyed. I guess that once you are a repeat customer, the girl attitude to paying upfront or at the end changes. Also, I've noticed that once you become a regular or VIP customer to one of the top agencies, this information is passed on to ladies that you might be booking for the first time and this conditions their behaviour.
I booked her (Cherry from Bangkok Escort) several times early last year. The first time she asked for the money upfront, but the other times, she did not and I paid her at the end. In all occasions, the service provided was above average and I enjoyed. I guess that once you are a repeat customer, the girl attitude to paying upfront or at the end changes. Also, I've noticed that once you become a regular or VIP customer to one of the top agencies, this information is passed on to ladies that you might be booking for the first time and this conditions their behaviour.Exactly as I had always mentioned. For us to have good service for the long term- "Want good service, be a good customer first".
Just like, in other biz transaction, a first timer always need to pay in cash but as for the regular and good paying customer, by 2nd or 3rd time, will able to get 30-60 days credit term in their transactions.
It's kinda bad that with the current rating system a single 1 star rating can bring it from a 4. 9 to a 4. 7 rating. Probably means the girl won't put in the same kind of effort as before.
I tried Daisy when she was 4. 9, and she's definitely not a 1 rating. When all the rest is 5 stars, it seems fair to say it's one bad customer who would give the 1 star.
Maybe Smooci should change their rating algorithm to work something like IMDB, where one outlier does not hugely impact the rating?
It's kinda bad that with the current rating system a single 1 star rating can bring it from a 4. 9 to a 4. 7 rating. Probably means the girl won't put in the same kind of effort as before.
I tried Daisy when she was 4. 9, and she's definitely not a 1 rating. When all the rest is 5 stars, it seems fair to say it's one bad customer who would give the 1 star.
Maybe Smooci should change their rating algorithm to work something like IMDB, where one outlier does not hugely impact the rating?As I thought, Most for those giving low ratings, they will just go straight to the lowest at 1, but when give the positive points, they will think and consider from 3-5.
Maybe when the girls are asked to do some out of their services and they decline, the customer will still give 1 stars regardless if the lady has done most of her stated services.
Because his extra request was rejected. That's my thoughts.
It's kinda bad that with the current rating system a single 1 star rating can bring it from a 4. 9 to a 4. 7 rating. Probably means the girl won't put in the same kind of effort as before.
I tried Daisy when she was 4. 9, and she's definitely not a 1 rating. When all the rest is 5 stars, it seems fair to say it's one bad customer who would give the 1 star.
Maybe Smooci should change their rating algorithm to work something like IMDB, where one outlier does not hugely impact the rating?The algorithm takes into consideration how recent a review is given. However, the major factor of how a review score will affect a companion's overall rating is how many previous ratings she has had.
If a companion is new and within her first 10 bookings then each rating can affect her overal score greater for obvious reasons. Whereas when a companion has had 30+ bookings, then each rating will have less of an overall impact (unless she has been inactive for some time and then a little bit more weight will be given to new ratings).
The ratings are a good indication, but the comments help to give them context. Seeing how many ratings and comments a companion has received helps to better understand the rating, and spotting what the common complaints / compliments are.
WeewillyWinkie
03-26-18, 23:52
When you browse current off-line girls are you able to advance book them or is it just info on who is available at other times?
The algorithm takes into consideration how recent a review is given. However, the major factor of how a review score will affect a companion's overall rating is how many previous ratings she has had.
If a companion is new and within her first 10 bookings then each rating can affect her overal score greater for obvious reasons. Whereas when a companion has had 30+ bookings, then each rating will have less of an overall impact (unless she has been inactive for some time and then a little bit more weight will be given to new ratings).
The ratings are a good indication, but the comments help to give them context. Seeing how many ratings and comments a companion has received helps to better understand the rating, and spotting what the common complaints / compliments are.Your explanation is fine, however the idea to remove extreme outlier ratings is still a good one. It helps allow for very personal biases, and focuses on what the more average customers think. Olympic judging uses it.
If 10 people gave a 5 star rating and one gave a one star, you have to suspect the one star rating should be ignored. Similarly if 10 people gave a 1 star and one person gave a 5 star, bias could equally be suspected.
The question is, what percentage of reviews might be unfair ones, and can any allowance be made for that? I believe that removal of extreme outliers, once sufficient ratings have come in, leads to a fairer rating. I have used algorithms in my work in other fields to remove outliers from the average behaviour picture. This means get a compromise between an average and a medium rating. Median can be more meaningful although harder to determine.
The exact details of the algorithm might have to be secret to avoid attempted manipulation, e.g. do not specify how many outliers get removed.
Is it reasonable for a girl's otherwise great rating to suffer due to one unreasonable customer, giving her the lowest score possible? Obviously not.
The most likely reason for not removing unfair outliers, is that calculating a simple average is much easier. Doing it better is too much work!
When you browse current off-line girls are you able to advance book them or is it just info on who is available at other times?It has been stated many times I think, that you cannot book any girls more than 4 hours ahead. If a girl is not shown as available, you have to book through her normal agency at normal rates.
Very popular girls, may appear available on Smoochi quite irregularly.
Your explanation is fine, however the idea to remove extreme outlier ratings is still a good one. It helps allow for very personal biases, and focuses on what the more average customers think. Olympic judging uses it.Yes, but isn't that just in case one of the judges blinked during a slip and gave too high a score or a judge was being too harsh on a political foe for reasons having nothing to do with the sport and scored too low? And the range of scoring from Olympic judges for a performance is rarely off by more than a couple of whole points out of ten at either end. Meanwhile, I think most casual observers would have a hard time telling the difference between a 7.5 pole vault and an 8.5 pole vault when these Olympic level champions are giving their best at every attempt.
But P4P girls are not Olympic champions giving their best at every attempt. Even the fourth place non-medalist Olympic competitor didn't just shrug off her lifelong mission to win the gold at crunch time and decide not to even try. Not so with P4P girls. It is not the least bit implausible for me to believe a P4P girl walked into a hotel room with ABC customer and gave him objectively the best sex most men would ever experience but that same girl gave XYZ customer nothing but shit service and attitude the next day. So why not let each of those extremes be factored in and effect her overall score? Look, P4P girls are already far more likely to be given the benefit of the doubt by, as you have put it, "optimistic" customers, and scored much higher than they ought to be. So those very low scores are, imo, far more likely to be closer to reality than the higher ones. But it gets sticky to take away the highest score but not the lowest score if you're going to do it that way. Consequently, probably best to factor in all of them, even the extreme high and low scores.
As an aside, I believe it would be fairly easy for a new girl to rig the system in order to start her scoring out as high as, yep, 5.0 from the get-go. Then ride on an increase in bookings due to that high score for a while with very little decline in it over the next several customers even if she gave lousy service and got 1-2 Star ratings from a couple of them.
As an aside, I believe it would be fairly easy for a new girl to rig the system in order to start her scoring out as high as, yep, 5.0 from the get-go. Then ride on an increase in bookings due to that high score for a while with very little decline in it over the next several customers even if she gave lousy service and got 1-2 Star ratings from a couple of them.Too much imagination, not enough statistical math. Removal of outliers, whether top or bottom scores, makes attempted rigging less successful.
Engine Driver
03-27-18, 12:23
Can't speak for "not has always" or for the Thai Escort scene specifically, but 20-25 years ago when I mongered in Thailand and the Philippines (mostly Angeles City) several weeks per year, one major difference between Thailand's P4P scene in both Bangkok and Pattaya vs Angeles City in the Philippines was that Thailand was PAY-AFTER (so was Manila) while Angeles City was PAY-BEFORE. The internet message boards raged incessantly over the difference. Mongers to both destinations argued about which was a better system for delivery of services; Thailand's (and Manila's) PAY-AFTER system or Angeles City's PAY-BEFORE system. I assure you of that because I was always on the PAY-AFTER side of those pervasive and heated discussions.
And in the past 5+ years I have lived and mongered in Bangkok/Pattaya, Thailand, PAY-AFTER is still the dominant system for go-go bars (talking about the girl's money, not talking about the barfine paid to the bar), beer bars, BJ Bars, Massage Shops and Freelancers. The only exceptions to most of those is when the mamasan or provider thinks she can pull a fast one on an unsuspecting or inexperienced monger and get him to PAY-BEFORE and therefore accept whatever crappy service the girl delivers afterwards having already fully paid up as though she had done a really fine job of it.
Again, can't speak for the Escort scene on that count. And I'm not talking about the big fishbowl operations, where I also have limited (and less than worthwhile) experience. But even in Angeles City, the Philippines, where I did on occasion partake of a hotel delivery escort and in an environment where almost everything was that lame "all-inclusive/PAY-BEFORE" nonsense, I usually paid the escort after and the escort seemed to accept that as the norm. But I suspect that was because the few hotel delivery escorts I had were all from Manila anyway, had worked there previously and found themselves working in Angeles City only for family reasons.Angeles City is PAY BEFORE because the fee is all inclusive. There is no separate fee payable to the girl. The bar fine and girls fee is all rolled up and paid at the bar.
Angeles City is PAY BEFORE because the fee is all inclusive. There is no separate fee payable to the girl. The bar fine and girls fee is all rolled up and paid at the bar.Yes, that's the way it was years and years ago. So it still is done that way in Angeles City, huh?
That might not have been a bad idea back when the bars were no aircon, fly infested shitholes and the girls were anxious to get out of them ASAP and relax in a much more comfortable hotel for an entire night or longer. But when modern progress and the Western bar owners upgraded the bars into those high concept theme attractions with plenty of cool air, exciting lights and overwhelming music systems, along with their program of making the Ladydrink commission system so attractive to a bargirl she might never have a good reason to leave her girlfriends and all that glamour in the bar for very long in order to spend all night having sex with a fat old farang, paying an "all-inclusive" fee upfront at the bar turned out to be a really bad idea for anyone expecting a good romp in the room followed by a sleep over.
Too much imagination, not enough statistical math. Removal of outliers, whether top or bottom scores, makes attempted rigging less successful.No, I think you are using too little imagination and were apparently in such a hurry to get to one of your one-upmanship replies you didn't really take into account how I framed my assertion. I am not talking about a girl who has banked dozens of ratings from customers where removal of top or bottom scores wouldn't matter all that much. I said it would be fairly easy for a NEW girl to rig the system in order to START her scoring out as high as, yep, 5.0 from the get-go. Then she could ride on an increase in bookings due to that high score for a while with very little decline in it over the next several customers even if she gave lousy service and got 1-2 Star ratings from a couple of them.
Haven't you noticed a few girls on Smooci whose first posted Star Rating is 5.0? There is one on there right about now. Well, earlier today. That can only happen if every single one of the first customers who rated her, at least three, ALL gave her the top rating of 5 Stars, right? Do you think such opening Star Ratings for girls NEW on Smooci is plausible very often? Even getting an opening 4.8 Star Rating would be remarkable, imo.
But it wouldn't be difficult to pull that off at all if just three of her friends with a credit card "booked" her during her first days or couple of weeks with Smooci and every one of them gave her a 5 Star Rating whether or not she even showed up for the booking and delivered sex at all. Hell, it could even be three of her already smitten and slavishly devoted low-demand customers from before her association with Smooci who would agree to book her through Smooci now, get the same low-demand middling service she usually delivers to them but they don't have to pay her stated 3,750 baht rate at all. No, the deal is they might only pay her the 1,500 baht they usually pay her in exchange for giving her that 5.0 Star Rating.
But once an opening Star Rating of 5.0, 4.9 or 4.8 is established at the beginning, then we are in your world where one or two high or low ratings here and there won't make a big difference unless the trend in either direction continues for quite a while. Meanwhile, she can ride through many early bookings after her opening Smooci rating on the impression that she really is likely to deliver 5.0 or 4.9 Star Ratings level service whether she does or not. Not saying any girl on Smooci HAS done that. Just pointing out that it wouldn't be difficult to rig an opening 5.0, 4.9 or 4.8 Star Rating in that way.
What would be the purpose of "rigging the system" for an already established escort that is new to Smooci?
So she can rip off a couple of customers? She would get kicked off Smooci, and won't ever be able to return. Or her rating would quickly plummet to undesirable. That's the whole point of Smooci, making the girls accountable.
What would be the purpose of "rigging the system" for an already established escort that is new to Smooci?
So she can rip off a couple of customers? She would get kicked off Smooci, and won't ever be able to return. Or her rating would quickly plummet to undesirable. That's the whole point of Smooci, making the girls accountable.I wasn't aware that Smooci kicked off girls who occasionally get a 1-2 Star Rating. Or who go through many customers with no rating given at all. Remember, a lot of Smooci customers probably think giving NO rating is making a statement that the experience wasn't even worth a 1 Star rating. Yet if you dig down very deep into Smooci's nearly hidden blog section, you'll find out that giving NO star rating accomplishes nothing and doesn't influence her overall score at all because a 1 star rating is the lowest a girl can get and only Star ratings are factored into her overall score.
But, yeah, I imagine a girl who starts out with a high star rating can burn a few customers here and there if she doesn't feel like putting in two more hours of work on a given day or night, get a low star rating from them if they even bother giving her a rating, but that opening high rating (and subsequent ones as well) provides enough buffer to weather the fallout.
AmbiguousJonny
03-27-18, 17:23
It has been stated many times I think, that you cannot book any girls more than 4 hours ahead. If a girl is not shown as available, you have to book through her normal agency at normal rates.
Very popular girls, may appear available on Smoochi quite irregularly.His question was about Premium Membership though. AFAIK, you can book for up to 24 hrs with Premium. So it's a fair question, I'd also like to hear the answer!
I wasn't aware that Smooci kicked off girls who occasionally get a 1-2 Star Rating. Or who go through many customers with no rating given at all. Remember, a lot of Smooci customers probably think giving NO rating is making a statement that the experience wasn't even worth a 1 Star rating. Yet if you dig down very deep into Smooci's nearly hidden blog section, you'll find out that giving NO star rating accomplishes nothing and doesn't influence her overall score at all because a 1 star rating is the lowest a girl can get and only Star ratings are factored into her overall score.
But, yeah, I imagine a girl who starts out with a high star rating can burn a few customers here and there if she doesn't feel like putting in two more hours of work on a given day or night, get a low star rating from them if they even bother giving her a rating, but that opening high rating (and subsequent ones as well) provides enough buffer to weather the fallout.Just to cover this point again, it's not possible to give a 0 star rating. When you get the ratings form the rating starts at a 3. You can select 1 to 5 before submiting the rating, but a 0 rating is not possible.
We do try to monitor the way the companions and client are using the site and are becoming wise to a few tricks people use. In the last 2 weeks we banned a companion who created fake bookings to boost her ratings and another companion who had created a second account.
It's not a perfect system, and it will be near impossible to catch every bad companion (and client) on their first booking, but we are trying to create a system that doesn't let those user stay on the system for long.
Just to cover this point again, it's not possible to give a 0 star rating. When you get the ratings form the rating starts at a 3. You can select 1 to 5 before submiting the rating, but a 0 rating is not possible.
We do try to monitor the way the companions and client are using the site and are becoming wise to a few tricks people use. In the last 2 weeks we banned a companion who created fake bookings to boost her ratings and another companion who had created a second account.
It's not a perfect system, and it will be near impossible to catch every bad companion (and client) on their first booking, but we are trying to create a system that doesn't let those user stay on the system for long.Thanks for that follow up. I'll bet the trickster you mentioned is one of the girls I saw getting a 5.0 Star Rating recently as the first rating I'd noticed her getting. I wondered at the time if she really scored a straight 3 (or more) in a row 5 Star Ratings from her earliest customers, which is possible I suppose, or, well, had there been some trickery involved. And that is what led me to realize it wouldn't be that difficult for a girl to make 3 fake bookings for herself at the beginning of her association with Smooci and guarantee those bookings resulted in top Star Ratings no matter what. Glad to hear you were already on the scent of something fishy there.
Actually, what my mind conjured up and what that girl had in fact been caught doing is not that dissimilar from the "rigging" of the system by some girls that we have already read about in a couple of reports here. I'm talking about the girls who give just mediocre service but make a big show of pleading for a 5 Star Rating from the customer on the way out the door. In a sense, a girl like that is merely recruiting a partner in her "rigging" scam right there on the spot rather than having three of them all lined up ahead of time. If a girl like that is successful with that one and just two more customers before getting her first Star Rating published, then she has essentially done the same kind of "rigging" of the system the trickster you mentioned did in only a slightly less sophisticated way. Although much harder to detect, I would think.
The end result being the published Star rating she has convinced at least three customers to give her does not really hold her "accountable" for her offered service in the bed any more than those fake bookings ratings did for the girl you caught.
But, as you say, it's not a perfect system, and it will be near impossible to catch every bad companion (and client) on their first booking.
Thanks for that follow up. I'll bet the trickster you mentioned is one of the girls I saw getting a 5.0 Star Rating recently as the first rating I'd noticed her getting. I wondered at the time if she really scored a straight 3 (or more) in a row 5 Star Ratings from her earliest customers, which is possible I suppose, or, well, had there been some trickery involved. And that is what led me to realize it wouldn't be that difficult for a girl to make 3 fake bookings for herself at the beginning of her association with Smooci and guarantee those bookings resulted in top Star Ratings no matter what. Glad to hear you were already on the scent of something fishy there.
Actually, what my mind conjured up and what that girl had in fact been caught doing is not that dissimilar from the "rigging" of the system by some girls that we have already read about in a couple of reports here. I'm talking about the girls who give just mediocre service but make a big show of pleading for a 5 Star Rating from the customer on the way out the door. In a sense, a girl like that is merely recruiting a partner in her "rigging" scam right there on the spot rather than having three of them all lined up ahead of time. If a girl like that is successful with that one and just two more customers before getting her first Star Rating published, then she has essentially done the same kind of "rigging" of the system the trickster you mentioned did in only a slightly less sophisticated way. Although much harder to detect, I would think.
The end result being the published Star rating she has convinced at least three customers to give her does not really hold her "accountable" for her offered service in the bed any more than those fake bookings ratings did for the girl you caught.
But, as you say, it's not a perfect system, and it will be near impossible to catch every bad companion (and client) on their first booking.One issue we caught in to early on was companions pressuring clients to give them a good rating. We found the best way to deal with this was to give the clients 7 days to submit the review and and rating and 4 hours after submission to edit it. So in a case where a client felt he was pressured to give a rating he didn't agree with, he can then change it after the companion has left.
Equally, we have had reports where clients have pressured the companion to give extra service in exchange for a good review and rating. We have tried to counter this by adding a report feature. This allows companions to report such incidents directly to us after a booking. Again, it's not a fool proof system and we have to review these incidents manually, but we try to give the benefit of the doubt based on the history of the client and the companion.
WarmStone25
03-28-18, 17:40
It has been stated many times I think, that you cannot book any girls more than 4 hours ahead. If a girl is not shown as available, you have to book through her normal agency at normal rates.
Very popular girls, may appear available on Smoochi quite irregularly.If you take Premium Membership you can book up to 24 hours ahead. This is explained on the Smooci website.
Equally, we have had reports where clients have pressured the companion to give extra service in exchange for a good review and rating. We have tried to counter this by adding a report feature. This allows companions to report such incidents directly to us after a booking. Again, it's not a fool proof system and we have to review these incidents manually, but we try to give the benefit of the doubt based on the history of the client and the companion.On the "extra service" issue, a SPECIAL REQUESTS box appears early in the booking process and I see no stated limitation on what a customer may or may not ask for in that option. Assuming the girl accepts a booking with full knowledge of these SPECIAL extras the customer is requesting of her and that she has not replied negatively regarding those requests before accepting the booking and allowing the customer enough time to cancel on that basis, wouldn't it be reasonable for him to factor that into his rating of her should she accept the booking without objection and show up with no intention of honoring those SPECIAL REQUESTS?
But once an opening Star Rating of 5.0, 4.9 or 4.8 is established at the beginning, then we are in your world where one or two high or low ratings here and there won't make a big difference unless the trend in either direction continues for quite a while. Meanwhile, she can ride through many early bookings after her opening Smooci rating on the impression that she really is likely to deliver 5.0 or 4.9 Star Ratings level service whether she does or not. Not saying any girl on Smooci HAS done that. Just pointing out that it wouldn't be difficult to rig an opening 5.0, 4.9 or 4.8 Star Rating in that way.Look rigging is possible if too few ratings are used. Removal of extreme outliers is not generally causing this problem. Maybe you think of the case where there are 3 fake scores of 5 followed by 1 real score of 1. Yes in this very special case removal of top and bottom scores still leaves only rigged scores due to sample size being too small. Obvious no point to remove outliers if there are not enough scores in total. Most samples that remove 1 or 2 top and bottom scores, need at a reasonable number of ratings (as per Olympic scoring). No system can obtain a perfect fair score.
In this example we would still expect that 1 was likely to be an unfair score, but it would be guesswork.
I doubt that rigging is going to work well for a girl since very soon she will get some realistic scores, that start to build up. She would be better off trying to improve her performance. Fortunately recent scores are weighted higher than the old ones. That is very sensible.
We could all avoid risking girls with too few ratings. I probably would. In the end we all want to the good girls to get higher ratings than the crap girls.
Look rigging is possible if too few ratings are used. Removal of extreme outliers is not generally causing this problem. Maybe you think of the case where there are 3 fake scores of 5 followed by 1 real score of 1. Yes in this very special case removal of top and bottom scores still leaves only rigged scores due to sample size being too small. Obvious no point to remove outliers if there are not enough scores in total. Most samples that remove 1 or 2 top and bottom scores, need at a reasonable number of ratings (as per Olympic scoring). No system can obtain a perfect fair score.
In this example we would still expect that 1 was likely to be an unfair score, but it would be guesswork.
I doubt that rigging is going to work well for a girl since very soon she will get some realistic scores, that start to build up. She would be better off trying to improve her performance. Fortunately recent scores are weighted higher than the old ones. That is very sensible.
We could all avoid risking girls with too few ratings. I probably would. In the end we all want to the good girls to get higher ratings than the crap girls.First of all, I only WISH Smooci promoted and framed their Star Rating system as pertaining specifically to actual performance and completion of the skills at hand and made sure virtually every "judge" was as well informed about what they are actually scoring on as Olympic judges are. But Smooci doesn't do that. And, frankly, until they do that, neither removing extreme outliers or much of anything else will tell a prospective customer what a girl's score really represents. God knows I tried to encourage them to promote and frame it that way and to make sure beyond a reasonable doubt that every "judging" customer has been made aware of it. But Smooci and too many posters here just wouldn't have it. Oh well.
That would also keep the trickster girls intent upon manipulating a much higher score for themselves than their performance deserved to a minimum because then they would always have to assume their customer HAS read what the rating standards are and what the ratings ought to represent. That would put a major damper on the natural temptation to plead for a higher score than they deserved on the way out of the room instead of bothering to improve their performance after they first walked into the room.
The girls are the only ones in this transaction with an absolutely clear understanding of what a high Star Rating means; it means they will most certainly get more bookings than if they have a low Star Rating. And the instant they realize the weak spot in this system is that practically none of the customers they meet have a clue what the standards are for scoring or even know that there is a standard on which the scoring should be based (which there really isn't at this point), then what you'll get is an effort by the girls to exploit that weak spot, manipulate the system and the customer to get a higher Star Rating for themselves with "improving their performance" in terms of delivering BBBJ+CIM, Full Service, DFK and so on likely being dead last on their preferred means to accomplish that.
First of all, I only WISH Smooci promoted and framed their Star Rating system as pertaining specifically to actual performance and completion of the skills at hand and made sure virtually every "judge" was as well informed about what they are actually scoring on as Olympic judges are. But Smooci doesn't do that. And, frankly, until they do that, neither removing extreme outliers or much of anything else will tell a prospective customer what a girl's score really represents. God knows I tried to encourage them to promote and frame it that way and to make sure beyond a reasonable doubt that every "judging" customer has been made aware of it. But Smooci and too many posters here just wouldn't have it. Oh well.
I accept this point. It is problematic if several criteria mix into a single rating.
Looks, accuracy of the pictures, skills, mechanical or GFE, accuracy of the services list, punctuality, etc. Things like Surgeries probably don't come into it but are important to me. We all have different criteria, so I don't see how a single rating can be workable. If I was reviewing in text, I would try to cover as many different aspects as possible, and make as many comments as possible to be factual rather than just opinions, but most punters are too lazy to do that.
On the "extra service" issue, a SPECIAL REQUESTS box appears early in the booking process and I see no stated limitation on what a customer may or may not ask for in that option. Assuming the girl accepts a booking with full knowledge of these SPECIAL extras the customer is requesting of her and that she has not replied negatively regarding those requests before accepting the booking and allowing the customer enough time to cancel on that basis, wouldn't it be reasonable for him to factor that into his rating of her should she accept the booking without objection and show up with no intention of honoring those SPECIAL REQUESTS?We are referring to cases where the client attempts to blackmail the companion into giving more service (such as long time and more shots) in exchange for a good review and rating, but not cases where this info was requested in advance in the special requests section. Similar to the cases where companions try to convince the client to give a positive rating before they leave. These incidents are few but it does happen and we are trying to help the innocent party where we can.
The special request box is a free text space for clients to add notes, which the companion will see when receiving the booking and deciding whether to accept or reject. However, this isn't fool proof as some things can be lost in translation or misunderstood, so to be safe it's best to always double confirm special requests via the phone once a booking is confirmed or in person on arrival.
Member #4591
03-30-18, 17:28
I'm going to chime in here. Let's compare Smooci to dealing directly with the agency. Or even compare smooci to an agency that does not list their ladies on smooci. Smooci offers a star rating system that is at least 80% accurate. They give us the option to book ladies from multiple agencies at a lower rate than if booking them through their home agency on one portal. They offer a paid service which allows us to combine your booking with a review system that at least can be somewhat reliable compared to the fake comments the actual agencies post on their sites, more affordable one hour bookings, and verified photos. This enhances the user experience immensely. We are asking why smooci doesn't do this and I wish they did that. Well they are doing a heck of a lot more than the others. You guys overthink everything and the worst part about it is that the biggest overthinkers have never booked through smooci.
What I would like to know is what the heck you guys are complaining about? We finally have a reliable agency we can depend on for 24 hour bookings right to our condo or hotel. It's not going to get any better than this so let's just enjoy this while it lasts. I'd take this over Craig's list any day. In fact I see many CL ladies on smooci as well. Before smooci, I would never book through any of these agencies and now I have an option that I can trust. I use them 2-3 times per month with no complaints.
Guys, we have a solid and reliable extra option for our mongerimg pleasure. I recommend you try them if you haven't already.
Member #4591
03-30-18, 18:00
No, I think you are using too little imagination and were apparently in such a hurry to get to one of your one-upmanship replies you didn't really take into account how I framed my assertion. I am not talking about a girl who has banked dozens of ratings from customers where removal of top or bottom scores wouldn't matter all that much. I said it would be fairly easy for a NEW girl to rig the system in order to START her scoring out as high as, yep, 5.0 from the get-go. Then she could ride on an increase in bookings due to that high score for a while with very little decline in it over the next several customers even if she gave lousy service and got 1-2 Star ratings from a couple of them.
Haven't you noticed a few girls on Smooci whose first posted Star Rating is 5.0? There is one on there right about now. Well, earlier today. That can only happen if every single one of the first customers who rated her, at least three, ALL gave her the top rating of 5 Stars, right? Do you think such opening Star Ratings for girls NEW on Smooci is plausible very often? Even getting an opening 4.8 Star Rating would be remarkable, imo.
But it wouldn't be difficult to pull that off at all if just three of her friends with a credit card "booked" her during her first days or couple of weeks with Smooci and every one of them gave her a 5 Star Rating whether or not she even showed up for the booking and delivered sex at all. Hell, it could even be three of her already smitten and slavishly devoted low-demand customers from before her association with Smooci who would agree to book her through Smooci now, get the same low-demand middling service she usually delivers to them but they don't have to pay her stated 3,750 baht rate at all. No, the deal is they might only pay her the 1,500 baht they usually pay her in exchange for giving her that 5.0 Star Rating.
But once an opening Star Rating of 5.0, 4.9 or 4.8 is established at the beginning, then we are in your world where one or two high or low ratings here and there won't make a big difference unless the trend in either direction continues for quite a while. Meanwhile, she can ride through many early bookings after her opening Smooci rating on the impression that she really is likely to deliver 5.0 or 4.9 Star Ratings level service whether she does or not. Not saying any girl on Smooci HAS done that. Just pointing out that it wouldn't be difficult to rig an opening 5.0, 4.9 or 4.8 Star Rating in that way.With all due respect, I think this post Is foolish. I have first hand knowledge that the girls fork over 500 Baht for a booking of 3-4 K to the agency and or smooci. These girls will absolutely not ask 2 or 3 friends to make fake bookings as they would still be responsible for paying the fee. 3 fake bookings to achieve 3 good ratings would cost at least 1,500 Baht. I don't see any Thai lady doing that. Sorry to say. More overthinking again. May I ask if you have ever booked through smooci before? My first thought is no.
With all due respect, I think this post Is foolish. I have first hand knowledge that the girls fork over 500 Baht for a booking of 3-4 K to the agency and or smooci. These girls will absolutely not ask 2 or 3 friends to make fake bookings as they would still be responsible for paying the fee. 3 fake bookings to achieve 3 good ratings would cost at least 1,500 Baht. I don't see any Thai lady doing that. Sorry to say. More overthinking again. May I ask if you have ever booked through smooci before? My first thought is no.You're a bit behind the curve on this one, Bkkdog. Please see SmoociApp's Post/reply to my post on the very scenario you thought foolish, #657 below:
In the last 2 weeks we banned a companion who created fake bookings to boost her ratings and another companion who had created a second account.
And as long as we're doing the math, just one additional booking due to sporting a 5.0 Star Rating instead of a 3.5 Star Rating rewards the girl likely over 3,000 baht even after forking over 500 baht of her fee to her agency or Smooci. Pretty much wipes out and makes up for that earlier 1,500 baht expense I'd say. Not foolish at all either. Unless she gets caught and thrown off Smooci like the one SmoociApp reported above.
I'm going to chime in here. Let's compare Smooci to dealing directly with the agency. Or even compare smooci to an agency that does not list their ladies on smooci. Smooci offers a star rating system that is at least 80% accurate. They give us the option to book ladies from multiple agencies at a lower rate than if booking them through their home agency on one portal. They offer a paid service which allows us to combine your booking with a review system that at least can be somewhat reliable compared to the fake comments the actual agencies post on their sites, more affordable one hour bookings, and verified photos. This enhances the user experience immensely. We are asking why smooci doesn't do this and I wish they did that. Well they are doing a heck of a lot more than the others. You guys overthink everything and the worst part about it is that the biggest overthinkers have never booked through smooci.
What I would like to know is what the heck you guys are complaining about? We finally have a reliable agency we can depend on for 24 hour bookings right to our condo or hotel. It's not going to get any better than this so let's just enjoy this while it lasts. I'd take this over Craig's list any day. In fact I see many CL ladies on smooci as well. Before smooci, I would never book through any of these agencies and now I have an option that I can trust. I use them 2-3 times per month with no complaints.
Guys, we have a solid and reliable extra option for our mongerimg pleasure. I recommend you try them if you haven't already.I don't see anyone complaining about the questions and issues being brought up here, Bkkdog. Although it does appear you are complaining about potential Smooci customers asking those questions.
I would assume SmoociApp approves of and actually WANTS potential Smooci customers who are not yet already users of their service to ask questions and bring up issues that might be keeping them from becoming so. In fact, I would say that is a major reason this thread with Smooci's name on it even exists; to entice and add new Smooci customers.
You say that "Smooci offers a star rating system that is at least 80% accurate." Where did you come up with that figure? How would you know? And, BTW, "accurate" about what?
The fact that there isn't a more clearly defined and proposed standard on which customers are encouraged to base their rating (when there easily really could be) happens to be one of the main reasons no one can possibly know whether their Star Rating system is "80% accurate", "20% accurate" or even "1% accurate" for the things that matter to a given potential customer. And I would imagine that is a primary reason some potential customers here and elsewhere are reluctant to make a booking through Smooci when they are already steeped in plenty of hot, young P4P experiences via other options for less money than similar girls on Smooci are asking for and after already taking a first hand gander at the girl who is offering it, not just at questionable photos, and quite possibly with a negotiated assurance that if she doesn't deliver as agreed upon then even less money will be paid to her if not zero money.
At EihTooms I think you just want a perfect world. Smooci is never going to be perfect, and the concerns you are bringing up are of no concern to people who have actually used Smooci. Since we don't live in a perfect world, I sadly never see you ever trying Smooci unless you get over whatever strong opinions you have about the site.
Member #4591
03-31-18, 01:27
I don't see anyone complaining about the questions and issues being brought up here, Bkkdog. Although it does appear you are complaining about potential Smooci customers asking those questions.
I would assume SmoociApp approves of and actually WANTS potential Smooci customers who are not yet already users of their service to ask questions and bring up issues that might be keeping them from becoming so. In fact, I would say that is a major reason this thread with Smooci's name on it even exists; to entice and add new Smooci customers.
You say that "Smooci offers a star rating system that is at least 80% accurate." Where did you come up with that figure? How would you know? And, BTW, "accurate" about what?
The fact that there isn't a more clearly defined and proposed standard on which customers are encouraged to base their rating (when there easily really could be) happens to be one of the main reasons no one can possibly know whether their Star Rating system is "80% accurate", "20% accurate" or even "1% accurate" for the things that matter to a given potential customer. And I would imagine that is a primary reason some potential customers here and elsewhere are reluctant to make a booking through Smooci when they are already steeped in plenty of hot, young P4P experiences via other options for less money than similar girls on Smooci are asking for and after already taking a first hand gander at the girl who is offering it, not just at questionable photos, and quite possibly with a negotiated assurance that if she doesn't deliver as agreed upon then even less money will be paid to her if not zero money.Trying to speculate, review, suggest on a company, product, or service you have never used is frankly rediculous. Whenever I book a lady on smooci, I use their rating system, and it has never failed me. So for me, it has worked 100% percent of the time. I've booked enough ladies so I chose 80%. Other members who post about there experiences here seem to be in the same boat as me. For example, I booked Emma, who has been on Smooci for quite a while. She had a 3 star rating at the time. I booked her for her value and looks, 3000 Baht for 2 hours. Well, I must say, that 3 star rating was as accurate as I expected it to be. I booked Milk who is 18. She is always above 4 stars. Low and behold, her rating was also also a good indication of the service I received from her. Another member posted a review about Milk here on ISG and wait, low and behold, he was happy as well.
You are completely missing the point here. In Bangkok, we have many choices for P4P. Beer bars, Go go bars, clubs and discos, massage, cart bars, Dek sideline websites, Craig's list, street walkers, Chat and dating apps, and escort agencies. I for one have tried all of these options and can review and talk about the advantages and disadvantages. Until smooci, I vowed I would never ever ever use an escort service here in Thailand. Many members would post about the many negatives and wonder why ISGers would ever consider using them because of the formentioned other options. The problems were as follows:
1. Bait and switch.
2. Really bad photos.
3. Rude staff.
4. Unreliable bookings.
5. Too expensive.
6. Rude girls.
7. Bad service from the ladies.
8. Fake reviews and comments about the girls on their websites.
Smooci has made their best efforts to combat these issues and has done a pretty good job of that so far. Good enough to carve out a nice little niesh for themselves.
Now I can at least have the option of using 100% of the P4 P options in Bangkok. Escort agencies, out calls, or take out have the following Advantages:
1. Convenience.
2. Good for short BKK layovers.
3. Convenience.
4. More options sometimes I have seen 70 ladies available on smooci.
5. Convenience convenience convenience.
So, Eitooms, sit back in your condo one night after a hard days work. You don't feel like going out but your horny as hell. Open your smart phone, tablet, or computer, navigate to smooci, shop for your girl, and choose her. Then go take a shower, and lay on your bed. 20 minutes later, a knock on your door will come. Your lady will enter and she will be in your bed within 10 minutes. 2 hours later, kick her out, smoke your cigar and fall asleep. Oh and before you talk about BBFS not being an option, let me just tell you that I have had no more different of an experience dealing with this request with a smooci girl than I have had with this same request from one of the many other formentiomed mongerimg choices here in BKK. If the girl is willing to do it or not is up to the girl and not her employer or method of how she finds clients. It all comes down to service and return as in what the girl will get in return for her service.
I will have to agree with BKKdog's recent post about Smooci. I've been to BKK several times before this current trip and usually reached out to an escort company or made a visit to a soapy. However, I'm not the type of person that wants to find someone at a place like Thermae, Nana, etc. Nor am I interested in a place like Tulip that doesn't have much of a selection. That just leaves it down to a giant soapy or an escort agency. Between the two, I would rather go with an escort agency due to the convenience factor.
For the most part, it seems like all of the escort agencies charge roughly the same amount 5 K-6 K THB for two hours. So, Smooci's pricing of 3 K-5 K with many girls super competitive in terms of price. I just had a date with Kel the other night and she was definitely worth it for the price I paid. With that said, I look forward to Smooci opening up in other markets like SIN as reading stuff about the areas in Geylang seem to confusing for me.
So, Eitooms, sit back in your condo one night after a hard days work. You don't feel like going out but your horny as hell. Open your smart phone, tablet, or computer, navigate to smooci, shop for your girl, and choose her. Then go take a shower, and lay on your bed. 20 minutes later, a knock on your door will come. Your lady will enter and she will be in your bed within 10 minutes. 2 hours later, kick her out, smoke your cigar and fall asleep. Oh and before you talk about BBFS not being an option, let me just tell you that I have had no more different of an experience dealing with this request with a smooci girl than I have had with this same request from one of the many other formentiomed mongerimg choices here in BKK. If the girl is willing to do it or not is up to the girl and not her employer or method of how she finds clients. It all comes down to service and return as in what the girl will get in return for her service.Hmm. No mention that I had nailed a bit of inside rigging of the system that you thought a "foolish" notion and improbable but turns out was exactly what was going on behind the scenes in a service that you claim to know so much more about than me? Um. Ok. I'll let that pass. (nonexistent smiley emoticon).
I am perfectly aware of what it is like to do what you described. In fact, I booked an "escort" last night. LOL. One big difference in the scenario you described above is that I had already cleared the deck for hassle-free BBFS with the lady before I booked her, not leaving it up to chance or finding out if that will be a go or not after she arrives or, worse, at crunch time.
Here is how it went: A 22 year old honey whose photos I had seen and lusted over on ThaiFriendly but whose stated acceptable age range was at least ten years younger than me (so I didn't bother clicking on her profile) clicked Interested in me first anyway. She was upfront about her purpose; "I am looking for customers". I replied with my Line ID and that is where the rest of our chat last evening took place.
Her photos would compare very positively with the better photos on Smooci. In person, she looked about 95% as good as she did in her photos, which would be a very high mark for any of us posting photos on the Internet, imo. She would fit right in with the better looking girls in Thermae and could easily command the 2,500 baht+ rate stated for standard, lick around the edges (if that), slip on a cover and proceed kind of fare usually offered there. Except this was going to be much better than that for me.
Her asking price was 3,000 baht for "sex for money" ST. Not interested in negotiating on price exactly from that starting point but on service instead, I countered with my agreeing to pay that much if her pussy is shaved, if the ST is not rushed and if she is ok to do BBFS with me. On that last part she said, "with condom ok". I made my case about having a current, normal/negative/non-reactive HIV result blood test document and sent her a photo of it. In response to that she said she wanted to think about it. Well, she said "Let me thing". But I knew what she meant. One minute later the answer was affirmative and so we set a time to meet at my room later, 11PM. She arrived in a taxi at exactly and I mean to the minute of 11PM, after Lining me a few times along the way, updating me on where her taxi was at this or that moment.
Everything was exactly as I had negotiated, wanted, asked for and expected, but better. Now, I should also mention that our very brief and easy "negotiation" and assurances about her having a shaved pussy, agreeing to BBFS with me and so on was conducted in complete one-to-one privacy only between her and me. There was no requirement for me to write out those SPECIAL REQUESTS in a box on a website and follow up with a telephone conversation about it with anyone else. Most important on that point, the GIRL knew that there was no third party participation or interpreter involved in whether or not she was going to agree to my SPECIAL REQUESTS in the towering Smooci Booking Dispatch building. And I suspect that went a long way to leading her to a "yes" response to me rather than a "no" response.
So, THAT is Smooci's very real world competition in the "escort" business. My and other posts like mine here are, if nothing else, simply trying to move Smooci's admitted "work in progress" and requested suggestions on how to improve their service when they set up this thread in the first place closer to a competitive edge against the obvious alternatives like the one I enjoyed last night.
It has nothing to do with expecting "perfection". It is simply trying to help THEM get closer to what is already easily available out there where thousands of baht are being exchanged and where, unless they know WE know about that competition and are already partaking of it, THEY are missing out and leaving money on the table. I would love for what I enjoyed last night to be more closely institutionalized and incorporated into the Smooci business model. So I post my questions and concerns that might but only might lead them to doing what is necessary to make that happen. That's all.
Trying to speculate, review, suggest on a company, product, or service you have never used is frankly rediculous. I submit that is exactly a major reason why this thread with the Smooci name on it exists. It ought to go without saying a high priority mission here, for Smooci, is to smooth the way and field concerns that might be preventing reluctant, unconvinced or, frankly, better aware and informed potential customers who are already choosing and paying money to their competition to choose Smooci's service instead.
This is the 15th post submitted on this thread and SmoociApp's 3rd or 4th post:
Firstly, thanks for all your comments and feedback, we really do take it all on board.
Please note that Smooci is very far from being a completed product, and there are a lot of positive things going on behind the scenes as we speak.
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Again, please note that Smooci is still very much work in process with a lot of improvements to come, and we are very much open to all feedback. Our goal is to improve the Escort booking experience for both the users and companions, creating higher standards and more healthy competition within the markets, and we wish to work with both in order to achieve this.
Member #4591
03-31-18, 10:14
Hmm. No mention that I had nailed a bit of inside rigging of the system that you thought a "foolish" notion and improbable but turns out was exactly what was going on behind the scenes in a service that you claim to know so much more about than me? Um. Ok. I'll let that pass. (nonexistent smiley emoticon).
I am perfectly aware of what it is like to do what you described. In fact, I booked an "escort" last night. LOL. One big difference in the scenario you described above is that I had already cleared the deck for hassle-free BBFS with the lady before I booked her, not leaving it up to chance or finding out if that will be a go or not after she arrives or, worse, at crunch time.
Here is how it went: A 22 year old honey whose photos I had seen and lusted over on ThaiFriendly but whose stated acceptable age range was at least ten years younger than me (so I didn't bother clicking on her profile) clicked Interested in me first anyway. She was upfront about her purpose; "I am looking for customers". I replied with my Line ID and that is where the rest of our chat last evening took place.
Her photos would compare very positively with the better photos on Smooci. In person, she looked about 95% as good as she did in her photos, which would be a very high mark for any of us posting photos on the Internet, imo. She would fit right in with the better looking girls in Thermae and could easily command the 2,500 baht+ rate stated for standard, lick around the edges (if that), slip on a cover and proceed kind of fare usually offered there. Except this was going to be much better than that for me.
Her asking price was 3,000 baht for "sex for money" ST. Not interested in negotiating on price exactly from that starting point but on service instead, I countered with my agreeing to pay that much if her pussy is shaved, if the ST is not rushed and if she is ok to do BBFS with me. On that last part she said, "with condom ok". I made my case about having a current, normal/negative/non-reactive HIV result blood test document and sent her a photo of it. In response to that she said she wanted to think about it. Well, she said "Let me thing". But I knew what she meant. One minute later the answer was affirmative and so we set a time to meet at my room later, 11PM. She arrived in a taxi at exactly and I mean to the minute of 11PM, after Lining me a few times along the way, updating me on where her taxi was at this or that moment.
Everything was exactly as I had negotiated, wanted, asked for and expected, but better. Now, I should also mention that our very brief and easy "negotiation" and assurances about her having a shaved pussy, agreeing to BBFS with me and so on was conducted in complete one-to-one privacy only between her and me. There was no requirement for me to write out those SPECIAL REQUESTS in a box on a website and follow up with a telephone conversation about it with anyone else. Most important on that point, the GIRL knew that there was no third party participation or interpreter involved in whether or not she was going to agree to my SPECIAL REQUESTS in the towering Smooci Booking Dispatch building. And I suspect that went a long way to leading her to a "yes" response to me rather than a "no" response.
So, THAT is Smooci's very real world competition in the "escort" business. My and other posts like mine here are, if nothing else, simply trying to move Smooci's admitted "work in progress" and requested suggestions on how to improve their service when they set up this thread in the first place closer to a competitive edge against the obvious alternatives like the one I enjoyed last night.
It has nothing to do with expecting "perfection". It is simply trying to help THEM get closer to what is already easily available out there where thousands of baht are being exchanged and where, unless they know WE know about that competition and are already partaking of it, THEY are missing out and leaving money on the table. I would love for what I enjoyed last night to be more closely institutionalized and incorporated into the Smooci business model. So I post my questions and concerns that might but only might lead them to doing what is necessary to make that happen. That's all.So you did not book an escort. You booked an independent using a website or chat app. Not the same but great story. I've dkne that myself plenty of times but the one difference is I have to talk where with an agency just book.
So you did not book an escort. You booked an independent using a website or chat app. Not the same but great story. I've dkne that myself plenty of times but the one difference is I have to talk where with an agency just book.The end result of the girl showing up at my door for a pre-arranged price is the same, which is why I put quotation marks around the term "escort", but with the added advantage that a minimal amount of talk/chat confirmed for me before I even booked her that I would be enjoying DATY without eating hairy pussy, that there would be no further conversation about condoms, disease and death for the rest of the night particularly at the point of entry and that I would not be rushed.
The talk/chat necessary to get those things confirmed was so minimal and easy (and useful for allowing us a moment of personal interaction before meeting too), the shopping online required so convenient even when I click Interested first instead of the girl as it was in this case and the available young hotties so abundant I could achieve the same result with a new girl every night and only choose a different route such as hitting the go-go bars in order to add variety to my approach and get off my butt.
So when an online booking service purports to smooth the way by better informing me on the issues that matter to me (it might have been BBBJ+CIM or perhaps BBBJ+CIM+SWALLOW instead of shaved pussy, BBFS and no rush as it was this time. Or something else for another punter) via a Star Rating system as long as I pay more by using their service, I don't see it as complaining, unreasonable or a pursuit of unattainable "perfection" to ask them how they can claim to be doing that and, where appropriate, to offer suggestions re their self-described work-in-progress for how they could better accomplish that if they want my and others' business and money.
The Star System along with their initial guidelines came closest to accomplishing that at first. Tantalizingly close and I had high praise and support for them at that point because that gave at least some objective meaning to the Star Ratings. But then they dropped the ball on associating those guidelines with the Star Ratings by declaring them mere suggestions so it was fine if every rater makes up his own guidelines for what deserves a 5 Star Rating vs a 1 Star Rating. Huh? And the initial seeming standards and basis for the ratings were even further obscured wnen no effort was made to make anyone aware that they did or ever existed at the point if booking and rating afterwards.
So we're left with a Star Rating that might, might not and probably doesn't tell most potential customers anything objectively knowable about the girl's delivery or not of her listed services but we can pay for Premium if we want to read subjective rhapsodizing about the girl's perceived winning attitude, how warm and fuzzy Burt from Podunk felt when he saw her at the door and stuff like that. Meanwhile, if I want to confirm the things I easily confirmed before my booking last night, I need to type/chat about it in their SPECIAL REQUESTS box, talk/chat about it with a third party on the telephone and wait to see if my chosen girl is perfectly comfortable agreeing to things like BBFS or BBBJ+CIM+SWALLOW in front of whoever else is reading that SPECIAL REQUESTS box and on the phone when I call to have a conversation about it with that third party.
Now, I believe Smooci's system CAN provide a more competitive level of service and results to what I can already achieve quite easily without Smooci's help and paying more for it. And up to now I have tried to nudge them closer to getting there by posting in this thread. But if my doing so is just creating an annoyance, no problem, let the unqualified praise for achieving 100% success every time and without exception from those who are already giving them their money due to how it is right now continue uninterrupted.
if she is ok to do BBFS with me. On that last part she said, "with condom ok". I made my case about having a current, normal/negative/non-reactive HIV result blood test document and sent her a photo of it.(For non printer ones) With any normal report from normal clinic, dip into nail polish remover can produce a brand new fresh piece of report and still can be reuse again and again. Write what ever results you wish on your own.
Its a old school trick to reuse medical certificate to skip school.
Franciscass
04-01-18, 08:11
Smooci is very simple app to use and a welcome new platform for booking escorts. It's not perfect but as somebody said it's a work in progress. I believe they want to get it right and welcome suggestions from the forum. Their policy of not allowing escorts to include unprotected sex on their profiles is both their right to do so and in my opinion a responsible position to take.
The success of a session with an escort starts with.
1. Is what you see when you open the door what you were expecting. Here I have some issues with Smooci in that I believe they should confirm from the ID card whether the age on the profile is correct or not and no it is not easy for the escort to get a fake card. As to whether the pic is old or has been photo shopped, this is more difficult to monitor.
2. Will she provide all the services she advertised plus any you specifically asked for in the booking? This needs to be confirmed before the session starts.
3. The quality of the service itself we all know depends on too many variables to go into here. This is where the reviews are so important and notwithstanding possible manipulation of the ratings system it is I believe a good guide.
I have used then twice. On both occasions the lady was definitely a lot older than her profiled age. One I immediately gave 200 Baht taxi money to and said goodbye, the other because of her personality and great body I continued with and had a sweet time.
So I suggest let's work with Smooci to help them get it right.
WarmStone25
04-01-18, 14:18
I don't see anyone complaining about the questions and issues being brought up here, Bkkdog. Although it does appear you are complaining about potential Smooci customers asking those questions.
I would assume SmoociApp approves of and actually WANTS potential Smooci customers who are not yet already users of their service to ask questions and bring up issues that might be keeping them from becoming so. In fact, I would say that is a major reason this thread with Smooci's name on it even exists; to entice and add new Smooci customers.
You say that "Smooci offers a star rating system that is at least 80% accurate." Where did you come up with that figure? How would you know? And, BTW, "accurate" about what?
The fact that there isn't a more clearly defined and proposed standard on which customers are encouraged to base their rating (when there easily really could be) happens to be one of the main reasons no one can possibly know whether their Star Rating system is "80% accurate", "20% accurate" or even "1% accurate" for the things that matter to a given potential customer. And I would imagine that is a primary reason some potential customers here and elsewhere are reluctant to make a booking through Smooci when they are already steeped in plenty of hot, young P4P experiences via other options for less money than similar girls on Smooci are asking for and after already taking a first hand gander at the girl who is offering it, not just at questionable photos, and quite possibly with a negotiated assurance that if she doesn't deliver as agreed upon then even less money will be paid to her if not zero money.Much is said about the Smooci Rating system, but this should be used in conjunction with the reveiws submited to Smooci by customers. The reviews should be used to build up an impression of the service likely to be received from the provider. The reviews are based on the users feelings after the service has been provided and not on a calculation according to a formula. Smooci provides the number of reviews for each provider. A minimum numer of these, over a minimum length of time, should be required to help form a reliable impression. The Smooci service has not, in my experience, solved the problems of out of date photos, or stated ages. There are examples of where these can be out by about 10 years. I have not suffered from switch and bait, the girl at the door has always been the girl in the photo. I have had good service on the whole, by choosing girls with a good rating and using the reviews. Booking has always been quick and easy. Delivery has always been efficient, direct to the comfort and safety of my own room. There are some safety factors for provider and user. Providers should not be asked to engage in BBFS. In my opinion to engage in this does not make sense. I would not trust the views of any one who behaved like this.
-snip- Delivery has always been efficient, direct to the comfort and safety of my own room. There are some safety factors for provider and user. Providers should not be asked to engage in BBFS. In my opinion to engage in this does not make sense. I would not trust the views of any one who behaved like this.Just for clarification, are you saying that there is a statement somewhere on the Smooci website (There are some safety factors for provider and user.) that "Providers should not be asked to engage in BBFS" or were you already engaged in expressing your personal opinion at that point and no longer relating info about how the Star Ratings are calculated, how the website appears and your level of satisfaction with the service?
Smooci is very simple app to use and a welcome new platform for booking escorts. It's not perfect but as somebody said it's a work in progress. I believe they want to get it right and welcome suggestions from the forum. Their policy of not allowing escorts to include unprotected sex on their profiles is both their right to do so and in my opinion a responsible position to take.
The success of a session with an escort starts with.
1. Is what you see when you open the door what you were expecting. Here I have some issues with Smooci in that I believe they should confirm from the ID card whether the age on the profile is correct or not and no it is not easy for the escort to get a fake card. As to whether the pic is old or has been photo shopped, this is more difficult to monitor.
2. Will she provide all the services she advertised plus any you specifically asked for in the booking? This needs to be confirmed before the session starts.
3. The quality of the service itself we all know depends on too many variables to go into here. This is where the reviews are so important and notwithstanding possible manipulation of the ratings system it is I believe a good guide.
I have used then twice. On both occasions the lady was definitely a lot older than her profiled age. One I immediately gave 200 Baht taxi money to and said goodbye, the other because of her personality and great body I continued with and had a sweet time.
So I suggest let's work with Smooci to help them get it right.Good info. May I ask if the two ladies you booked were each sporting a 4.0 or higher Star Ratings when you booked them, particularly the one that was so much older than her photos suggested and profile stated that you sent her on her way with 200 Baht taxi money?
WarmStone25
04-01-18, 23:17
or were you already engaged in expressing your personal opinion at that point ?The words that I used were " In my opinion to engage in this does not make sense". This is my personal opinion.
Carpaccio18
04-02-18, 00:17
Smooci is very simple app to use and a welcome new platform for booking escorts. It's not perfect but as somebody said it's a work in progress. I believe they want to get it right and welcome suggestions from the forum. Their policy of not allowing escorts to include unprotected sex on their profiles is both their right to do so and in my opinion a responsible position to take.
The success of a session with an escort starts with.
1. Is what you see when you open the door what you were expecting. Here I have some issues with Smooci in that I believe they should confirm from the ID card whether the age on the profile is correct or not and no it is not easy for the escort to get a fake card. As to whether the pic is old or has been photo shopped, this is more difficult to monitor.
2. Will she provide all the services she advertised plus any you specifically asked for in the booking? This needs to be confirmed before the session starts.
3. The quality of the service itself we all know depends on too many variables to go into here. This is where the reviews are so important and notwithstanding possible manipulation of the ratings system it is I believe a good guide.
I have used then twice. On both occasions the lady was definitely a lot older than her profiled age. One I immediately gave 200 Baht taxi money to and said goodbye, the other because of her personality and great body I continued with and had a sweet time.
So I suggest let's work with Smooci to help them get it right.I've sampled Smooci on 2 occasions. Although I had previously never thought I'd be using an escort agency in BKK. Both experience were good. The girls showing up was clearly the girls on the picture. Both were very accommodating, nice, good english and good sex. The first was slightly chubbier than I had expected, but not due to any photoshopping (I double-checked afterwards, and I probably just wasnt paying enough attention originally). Anyhow, both had very good reviews, and delivered accordingly. In particular the second I picked also partly based on some very good reviews, and she did not disappoint. To the contrary.
But on the other hand, I do find the selection somewhat limited. You can go 5 minutes any direction on Sukhumvit and choose among thousand of girls. There is that.
So probably Smoooci's best thing could be in the consistency of service. Pickups can be hit and miss, dick scare, starfish, clock watching and all other kinds bad experiences.
Oh yeah - and the APP is impressive, like uber for mongers. It really works well.
The words that I used were " In my opinion to engage in this does not make sense". This is my personal opinion.Yes, but you didn't say, "In my opinion, Providers should not be asked to engage in BBFS. " Your "In my opinion" statement came after you said the thing about what Providers should not be asked. And the sentence before it, "There are some safety factors for provider and user," appeared to be setting up that particular statement as an example of a safety issue you saw on their website. That is what I meant.
There are all kinds of details hidden deep in their Blog, Terms & conditions, Privacy policy, etc. that I doubt most customers of Smooci ever see or know about and I thought the thing you said about Providers not being asked for BBFS was one of them, that's all. Thanks for the clarification.
Franciscass
04-02-18, 11:33
Good info. May I ask if the two ladies you booked were each sporting a 4.0 or higher Star Ratings when you booked them, particularly the one that was so much older than her photos suggested and profile stated that you sent her on her way with 200 Baht taxi money?It was a couple of months back. I was on a bender that day with a pal of mine so details are a bit sketchy. I booked both on the same day, the second after sending back the first. I've checked the Smooci site and cannot find the second girl at least as I remember her but I'm reasonably sure the first girl was Ngam who is rated 4.2.
Smooci is very simple app to use and a welcome new platform for booking escorts. It's not perfect but as somebody said it's a work in progress. I believe they want to get it right and welcome suggestions from the forum. Their policy of not allowing escorts to include unprotected sex on their profiles is both their right to do so and in my opinion a responsible position to take.
The success of a session with an escort starts with.
1. Is what you see when you open the door what you were expecting. Here I have some issues with Smooci in that I believe they should confirm from the ID card whether the age on the profile is correct or not and no it is not easy for the escort to get a fake card. As to whether the pic is old or has been photo shopped, this is more difficult to monitor.
2. Will she provide all the services she advertised plus any you specifically asked for in the booking? This needs to be confirmed before the session starts.t.He just want everything to follow his style and his way. Its better to leave no reply to his comments. It will be a never ending fault finding.
He just want everything to follow his style and his way. Its better to leave no reply to his comments. It will be a never ending fault finding.The poster you are replying to found enough fault with a Smooci booking that didn't conform to his style and his way to send her packing with only taxi fare. His replacement booking was a repeat of the same problem as the first one, but apparently not so much so that other factors couldn't compensate. For some of us, that is a 3,750+ baht bet not necessary to make unless and until Smooci's system is improved here and there to better sync up the relationship between the Ratings and the results. Should that happen, it is duly noted that there won't be any thanks for that to you or anything you have contributed to this thread.
It is very likely the girl he sent packing had a relatively high Star Rating because, thanks to my questions for him here, the owner of Smooci eventually posted the most inside tip imaginable; that, taking all intel on all the girls that he is privy to into consideration, even he wouldn't book a girl with less than a 4.5 Star Rating if her actually performing the services listed on her profile really mattered. If a poster having read that here (again, thanks to me and not you) still insists on booking a girl with less than a 4.5 Star Rating, it would most likely be because of factors other than that she will actually perform the services listed, such as her age, her looks or something else he sees in her profile or photos. Which is fine for the customers, perhaps including you, who don't care about such things as the girl actually performing the services she lists on her profile.
Gladiator69
04-03-18, 17:20
I have used then twice. On both occasions the lady was definitely a lot older than her profiled age. One I immediately gave 200 Baht taxi money to and said goodbye, the other because of her personality and great body I continued with and had a sweet time.Feels like we need to add 10 years to their stated age no matter where we book our ladies: Smooci or other agencies. Being with a lady around my age is not an issue, she just needs to know how to maintain her look and physique, then I'm in. I find ladies in their 30's with more experience know how to please me better than the ones in their early 20's. And of course a great personality is over the top of everything.
WarmStone25
04-03-18, 23:40
Yes, but you didn't say, "In my opinion, Providers should not be asked to engage in BBFS. " Your "In my opinion" statement came after you said the thing about what Providers should not be asked. And the sentence before it, "There are some safety factors for provider and user," appeared to be setting up that particular statement as an example of a safety issue you saw on their website. That is what I meant.
There are all kinds of details hidden deep in their Blog, Terms & conditions, Privacy policy, etc. that I doubt most customers of Smooci ever see or know about and I thought the thing you said about Providers not being asked for BBFS was one of them, that's all. Thanks for the clarification.When I used the words " There are some safety factors for the provider and user", what I meant was that using Smooci to make a date may be safer than other methods. My comment about providers not being asked to engage in BBFS was not related to anything that I saw on the Smooci website, but was related to something in one of your own posts. Photos and ages that are about 10 years old are provided by the agencies to be used on the Smooci website. In this digital age there is no excuse for using old photos, because they can be updated quickly and easily. Ages can be checked easily. The only way that the agencies will stop this behavior is if the girls with old photos or incorrect ages are not booked. To this end, more users should report, and reports should be honest, and reports should contain more than two or three words. Reading honest reports would appear to be the only way to see if photos are old or the age to young, photo verification does not appear to do this.
Franciscass
04-04-18, 00:29
Feels like we need to add 10 years to their stated age no matter where we book our ladies: Smooci or other agencies. Being with a lady around my age is not an issue, she just needs to know how to maintain her look and physique, then I'm in. I find ladies in their 30's with more experience know how to please me better than the ones in their early 20's. And of course a great personality is over the top of everything.It's all about expectations. I agree that experience is mostly preferable but I am a sucker for early to mid-twenties ladies so when that's what I'm expecting to see and don't my immediate reaction is one of disappointment. To Smooci I ask why can you not verify age, it would seem simple enough by checking ID'S as I imagine you do if only to insure no [CodeWord902] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902) girls are listed on your site. I've asked this question before but failed to get a response. Confused!
The poster you are replying to found enough fault with a Smooci booking that didn't conform to his style and his way to send her packing with only taxi fare. His replacement booking was a repeat of the same problem as the first one, but apparently not so much so that other factors couldn't compensate. For some of us, that is a 3,750+ baht bet not necessary to make unless and until Smooci's system is improved here and there to better sync up the relationship between the Ratings and the results. Should that happen, it is duly noted that there won't be any thanks for that to you or anything you have contributed to this thread.
It is very likely the girl he sent packing had a relatively high Star Rating because, thanks to my questions for him here, the owner of Smooci eventually posted the most inside tip imaginable; that, taking all intel on all the girls that he is privy to into consideration, even he wouldn't book a girl with less than a 4.5 Star Rating if her actually performing the services listed on her profile really mattered. If a poster having read that here (again, thanks to me and not you) still insists on booking a girl with less than a 4.5 Star Rating, it would most likely be because of factors other than that she will actually perform the services listed, such as her age, her looks or something else he sees in her profile or photos. Which is fine for the customers, perhaps including you, who don't care about such things as the girl actually performing the services she lists on her profile.I'm replying to F but I'm referring to E. Tooms.
It's all about expectations. I agree that experience is mostly preferable but I am a sucker for early to mid-twenties ladies so when that's what I'm expecting to see and don't my immediate reaction is one of disappointment. To Smooci I ask why can you not verify age, it would seem simple enough by checking ID'S as I imagine you do if only to insure no xxxxxx girls are listed on your site. I've asked this question before but failed to get a response. Confused!
It wasn't a simple choice of not wanting to create an auto age from the ID. We are constantly looking at improving the system and false ages and photoshopping are among our top priorities. We are always brainstorming new ideas and testing out possibilites.
- On launched we didn't require ID (companions had to accepted our terms and conditions and confirm they were over 18) so we didn't have the ID for the large groups of girls who joined smooci at the start.
- We later made new companions submit their ID and we manually verified that and tested the idea of manually filling in the ID. We did it to a small group of companions and got negative feedback and complaints that other companions were allowed to select their age. So we decided it would be fairer to put it on hold and try chase up the rest of the companions listed to get everyone's ID.
- We then began prepping our Singapore launch contacting the companions on our Singapore wiating list and the ID requirement became a huge issue; with the vast majority of Singapore girls being foreigners and paranoid. Almost every girl backed out when asked for their goverment ID and we realized that we had to rethink it again.
- So our current idea is that we don't request ID on sign up, we require them to read and accept the rules and confirm that they are of legal age. We are also building in algorythm that will bring girls who get a lot of negative responses and low rating to our attention, and we will then lock their account and require them to submit their idea in order to unlock it. So if for any reason an account is suspicious or not performing to our standards we can request their ID in order for them to continue. Once this is in place we can test out using auto ID on their profiles.
That is where we are at and why we aren't auto filling age at the moment.
As I say, we are constantly looking at ideas on how to improve issues like this, and will continue to do so. We also think the comments are working towards easing this problem. If a girl is clearly 10 years old than her stated age and she has had at least a few bookings, I would expect this to be noted in her comments. We don't edit the comments (unless it is something serious flagged as serious. Which has so far only happened once), and most notable negatives and positives about a girl will show up once she has a few bookinsg behind her.
Franciscass
04-04-18, 15:29
As I say, we are constantly looking at ideas on how to improve issues like this, and will continue to do so. We also think the comments are working towards easing this problem. If a girl is clearly 10 years old than her stated age and she has had at least a few bookings, I would expect this to be noted in her comments. We don't edit the comments (unless it is something serious flagged as serious. Which has so far only happened once), and most notable negatives and positives about a girl will show up once she has a few bookinsg behind her.Thanks for the reply. I sort of figured it might be something along the lines you mentioned.
It's a tough call. I guess it comes down to whether the escorts you lose because they don't want to show their true age and updated pics will be more than compensated for by the increased use of the site by clients who value authenticity of profiles.
Personally long term I feel an escort booking site which gets a reputation for "what you see is what you get" will be successful. I believe it will be used a lot more which in turn because of the money that can be made will attract better and better genuine talent.
Anyway I wish you guys the best of luck. I believe you genuinely want Smooci to be as good as it can be and to be honest I don't understand some of the criticism you get.
It was a couple of months back. I was on a bender that day with a pal of mine so details are a bit sketchy. I booked both on the same day, the second after sending back the first. I've checked the Smooci site and cannot find the second girl at least as I remember her but I'm reasonably sure the first girl was Ngam who is rated 4.2.I am not intending a criticism. However just a piece of trivia.
I don't recall ever meeting any Girl called Ngam, so it is not that common I guess. It is therefore quite unlikely to be her real nick-name. Naam (means water) is very common. Many Farangs can't pronounce "Ngam" (Ngaam) correctly. Ngam is a perfectly good Thai word though, with most common meaning as: Attractive (beautiful) and charming. It is a poetic word in Thai or normal word in Issan dialect. Alternate meaning (with different tone) is "tines of a fork" (very unlikely).
It rings a slight alarm bell with me. If normally girls do not have this name, could a girl choose this name over-compensating in some way? Just like if a Guy calls himself Biggus Dickus on this forum, is he actually over compensating for the lack of something? LOL Maybe I am too suspicious, and she actually was very beautiful, however you did send her away. I have no personal opinion on her beauty and charm, just that the name concerns me slightly. I would prefer something more normal.
To be fair, it is possible some other idiot chose the name for her, and she did not choose it, although she could have said she doesn't like it. It seems too flamboyant to me. I guess she is innocent till proven guilty, I am just a suspicious and sceptical type.
Thanks for the reply. I sort of figured it might be something along the lines you mentioned.
Personally long term I feel an escort booking site which gets a reputation for "what you see is what you get" will be successful. I believe it will be used a lot more which in turn because of the money that can be made will attract better and better genuine talent.
Thanks and we agree with that quote. Smooci is still very much work in progress and that is exactly where we want to eventually be.
Thanks for the reply. I sort of figured it might be something along the lines you mentioned.
It's a tough call. I guess it comes down to whether the escorts you lose because they don't want to show their true age and updated pics will be more than compensated for by the increased use of the site by clients who value authenticity of profiles.
Personally long term I feel an escort booking site which gets a reputation for "what you see is what you get" will be successful. I believe it will be used a lot more which in turn because of the money that can be made will attract better and better genuine talent.
Anyway I wish you guys the best of luck. I believe you genuinely want Smooci to be as good as it can be and to be honest I don't understand some of the criticism you get."I believe you genuinely want Smooci to be as good as it can be and to be honest I don't understand some of the criticism you get."
Exactly don't understand it too. Well, I suppose this will be the normal against the minority adnormal.
Currently can't find any other platform doing so far so good as Smooci in my own opinion. Wish you the best of luck too Smooci.
The critics you guys getting are just like the local Thai taxi complain about the GRab and Uber.
I'm replying to F but I'm referring to E. Tooms.I know. That is why I commented on your post that way. You referred to me as though I am the only punter who "want everything to follow his style and his way." Clearly, the punter you were replying to wanted everything to follow his style and his way enough that, when it didn't, he sent the first girl packing with only taxi fare. That is kinda' what paying for it is all about, especially when paying much more than what one really needs to pay in a given environment; the goal being to get it our style and our way.
WarmStone25
04-06-18, 23:26
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Currently can't find any other platform doing so far so good as Smooci in my own opinion. Wish you the best of luck too Smooci.
.I have visited a massage place on Soi33 Soi4. Their web site shows pictures of the girls that work there. In my experience they are accurate and up to date, as are the ages. On my last visit they appeared to be very busy. Their approach appears to be successful. Their mission is not to improve the escort industry but their example is one that should be copied.
Gigi Buffon
04-08-18, 05:41
I have visited a massage place on Soi33 Soi4. Their web site shows pictures of the girls that work there. In my experience they are accurate and up to date, as are the ages. On my last visit they appeared to be very busy. Their approach appears to be successful. Their mission is not to improve the escort industry but their example is one that should be copied.I missed the point, what exactly is the best practice that this massage shop is using? Also, I am intrigued by their mission "not to improve the escort industry". I am in favor of progress and transformation, and I do see benefits in the services that Smocci offers, I am not saying it is perfect, but it is work in progress to facilitate finding and booking a very extensive and diverse gallery of escorts, not to mention some healthy competition on rates and the ability to rate escort performance, which based on my encounters, most girls care about the rating that you will give them. Privacy is an issue of concern, which has been flagged and discussed in this thread already, but remains a matter to be cautious about.
Franciscass
04-08-18, 09:53
I missed the point, what exactly is the best practice that this massage shop is using?Perhaps he was suggesting that being strict on using only authentic profiles and pics on a site need not result in a poor business outcome. I happen to agree but also understand Smooci while wanting to use this model are unable to execute due to resistance from the escorts themselves. Problem is if this is what they eventually aspire to then they have to start somehow somewhere sometime. Unfortunately I fear it may be getting away from them and too difficult to make the needed changes. Hope not because as I think we nearly all agree Smooci a good site but with only authentic profiles it would truly be a great site.
Franciscass
04-08-18, 09:57
I missed the point, what exactly is the best practice that this massage shop is using?Perhaps he was suggesting that being strict on using only authentic profiles and pics on a site need not result in a poor business outcome. I happen to agree but also understand Smooci while wanting to use this model are unable to execute due to resistance from the escorts themselves. Problem is if this is the model they eventually aspire to then they have to start somewhere. Unfortunately I fear it may be getting away from them and too late to make the needed changes. Hope not because as I think we nearly all agree Smooci is a good site but with only authentic profiles it would be a great site.
the goal being to get it our style and our way.The goal being to get it our style and our way=self centered (Everything is all about ME) LoLx, Thumbs up.
We will officially be launching in Singapore tonight.
With our Singapore launch we are offering clients a free one-month membership when booking in Singapore this month.
Once you have a confirmed booking with a Singapore companion simply email us with the details to contact@smooci.com and we will upgrade you to premium membership for 1 month.
The goal being to get it our style and our way=self centered (Everything is all about ME) LoLx, Thumbs up.Wow. I was just accused by another poster in the Bangkok Reports thread of being too much of an "advocate/defender" of Working Girls and "over protective" of them. LOL! Freud would have a field day around here.
Member #4698
04-11-18, 18:28
We will officially be launching in Singapore tonight. Good luck on your new business endeavor. Although others have tried and failed, Singapore IMHO, might turn out to be a more successful market for Smooci than BKK. Only time will tell.
I have one small suggestion for the Smooci Singapore internet site: you should include the girl's nationality on her profile page. Why? Because the # 1 difference between BKK & Singapore P4P is the source of supply. The BKK scene is primarily composed of local Thai girls with imports a distinct minority whereas the Singapore scene is almost 100% composed of import talent mainly from a few neighboring Asian countries - Viet, PI, China, Indo, and Thai. So, knowing a girls nationality in this type of market can be a critical deciding factor unless Smooci Singapore is planning to concentrate on only one national origin like Thai for example.
Good luck to your new endeavor. Singapore, IMHO, might turn out to be a more profitable market for Smooci than BKK. Only time will tell. One small suggestion for Smooci Singapore: include the girl's nationality on her profile page. The # difference between BKK & Singapore P4 P is the BKK scene has an ample local supply of talent with imports a distinct minority where as the Singapore scene is composed of an almost 100% variety mix of import talent.Thanks for the tip, adding nationality may be a good ideas as there seems to be such a huge mix of nationalities available.
To be honest with you we expect Smooci in Singapore to take a while to pick up, the girls there are definitely more cautious with where they put their details.
Wow. I was just accused by another poster in the Bangkok Reports thread of being too much of an "advocate/defender" of Working Girls and "over protective" of them. LOL! Freud would have a field day around here.No need to reference that. Irrelevant! Just shows someone (him) can reach a really silly conclusion on occasion.
WarmStone25
04-12-18, 23:53
Perhaps he was suggesting that being strict on using only authentic profiles and pics on a site need not result in a poor business outcome. .Sucessfull platform.
It was said by Tiandihui that he cannnot find any other platform doing so far so good as Smooci. I was pointing out that a massage parlour has a web site which uses photos and states ages which, as far as I can see are uptodate. From my observation the massage parlour appears to be busy and successful. So it would appear that a business can provide accurate information and be successful. In contrast I have seen examples of pictures and ages, which would be provided by agencies, on the Smooci web site, in the last week or two, which are not accurate. One of these examples was a girl I dated through Smooci about a year ago. When the girl turned up at the door I thought that she was the girl in the photos, but that she looked about 10 years younger in the photos. This may have been in part due to photo shoping. I have seen an example of what photo shoppng can do, this very night, and it is remarkable what a skilled operator can do. In the case of the girl that I dated she was young, good looking and sexy with pale skin, in the photos. At the door she looked older with dark skin, but was the girl in the photos. Should users of the service verify the photos in a case like is? I suspect that in many cases, if the user gets a good session, he will. The girl that I dated gave me a good session, I gave her a good rating, perhaps to much. There is no excuse for out of date photos, because in this digital age they can be easily and quickly be updated, as can ages. I assume that this massage parlour has an objective of keeping its customers happy and making profit. At the beginning Smooci sated that they wanted to deal with the long standing problems of the escort industry. The problems were inaccurate photos and ages, and bait and switch. As far as I know, I have not suffered bait and switch, but not all of the ages and pictures are accurate. I understand that Smooci is a work in progress. I applaud Smooci for tackling these problems. When using Smooci I would use the rating system and user reports together, to help me make a selection. It would help if more users would report, and report honestly, and use more than two or three words in the report. The user reports have the potential to provide usefull feedback. I hope that Smooci continue to improve their service. When visiting Bangkok, using the Smooci service would be my prefferred way of getting a girl to the safety and comfort of my room. If I wanted to go out I might be tempted to try The Hentai at Mitu, which I have enjoyed on a number of occasions.
Sucessfull platform.
It was said by Tiandihui that he cannnot find any other platform doing so far so good as Smooci. I was pointing out that a massage parlour has a web site which uses photos and states ages which, as far as I can see are uptodate. From my observation the massage parlour appears to be busy and successful. So it would appear that a business can provide accurate information and be successful. In contrast I have seen examples of pictures and ages, which would be provided by agencies, on the Smooci web site, in the last week or two, which are not accurate. One of these examples was a girl I dated through Smooci about a year ago. When the girl turned up at the door I thought that she was the girl in the photos, but that she looked about 10 years younger in the photos. This may have been in part due to photo shoping. I have seen an example of what photo shoppng can do, this very night, and it is remarkable what a skilled operator can do. In the case of the girl that I dated she was young, good looking and sexy with pale skin, in the photos. At the door she looked older with dark skin, but was the girl in the photos. Should users of the service verify the photos in a case like is? I suspect that in many cases, if the user gets a good session, he will. The girl that I dated gave me a good session, I gave her a good rating, perhaps to much. There is no excuse for out of date photos, because in this digital age they can be easily and quickly be updated, as can ages. I assume that this massage parlour has an objective of keeping its customers happy and making profit. At the beginning Smooci sated that they wanted to deal with the long standing problems of the escort industry. The problems were inaccurate photos and ages, and bait and switch. As far as I know, I have not suffered bait and switch, but not all of the ages and pictures are accurate. I understand that Smooci is a work in progress. I applaud Smooci for tackling these problems. When using Smooci I would use the rating system and user reports together, to help me make a selection. It would help if more users would report, and report honestly, and use more than two or three words in the report. The user reports have the potential to provide usefull feedback. I hope that Smooci continue to improve their service. When visiting Bangkok, using the Smooci service would be my prefferred way of getting a girl to the safety and comfort of my room. If I wanted to go out I might be tempted to try The Hentai at Mitu, which I have enjoyed on a number of occasions.Thanks for your apperciation.
With regards to the massage service you are referring to, it sounds like they are taking a great approach, and we wish more agencies and such services would try adding untouched photos. I'm sure in the long run it builds a much stronger client base.
Photos inaccuracy is among our main concerns and a problem we are constantly looking to reduce.
Our current system is allowing those who have had confirmed booking to go through the photos of the girl he has just met and click 'yes' or 'no' (are these photos accurate) on each of the photos on the girls profile. About 40-50% of clients select a rating, about 40-50% of those add a comment, and about 40-50% of those also rate the photos.
As we get around 100-150 bookings a day it still means we get a high number of photo ratings which should be able to make a difference, but it's still not having the desired effect.
The algorythm kicks in once a photo has had 5 votes, and photos with a very high number of yes votes gets lablled as 'verified', and the photos which get a very high number of no votes is removed from the system. All other photos are left on the system but don't hold the verified stamp.
Along with the profile comments, this is definitely combatting the issue, and a lot of girls who would be able to get away with extremely misleading photos on other sites, are being found out and their bookings are usually very limited (we've noticed several have added new photos, and some using photos they've taken themselves / selfies). Howeverm it's still not solving the issue completely and there is a lot more room for imporevment.
I think one of the issues is that a lot of clients base the photo accuracy on the total experience (which you have touched on). For example, a girl arrives looking notably different from her photos (but still the same girl). At first the client is disappointed but she has a nice attitude and a warm smile. As the evening goes on the client has an amazing time, and after the girl has left he is keen to give her a high rating and tell everyone about his experience. After doing this it then comes to rate the photos and that's when many guys will be more influenced by the experience in total rather than genuinely how accurate the photos are, in my opnion.
We have looked a creating algorythms to link the photo votes to the overal rating, but it's very complicated and has lots of flaws. We also played with sending out the review forms later (after the emotion of the experienced had calmed down), but we found that it notably lowered the number of ratings and repsonses we got. So, at the moment we are still relying on the client photo votes and comments to help combat the problem, but we are continuing to look at new ideas.
Photos inaccuracy is among our main concerns and a problem we are constantly looking to reduce.
Our current system is allowing those who have had confirmed booking to go through the photos of the girl he has just met and click 'yes' or 'no' (are these photos accurate) on each of the photos on the girls profile. About 40-50% of clients select a rating, about 40-50% of those add a comment, and about 40-50% of those also rate the photos.
As we get around 100-150 bookings a day it still means we get a high number of photo ratings which should be able to make a difference, but it's still not having the desired effect.
We have looked a creating algorythms to link the photo votes to the overal rating, but it's very complicated and has lots of flaws. We also played with sending out the review forms later (after the emotion of the experienced had calmed down), but we found that it notably lowered the number of ratings and repsonses we got. So, at the moment we are still relying on the client photo votes and comments to help combat the problem, but we are continuing to look at new ideas.Why not giving the user the chance to rate the accuracy of each picture from 1 to 10 and calculate the average?
Franciscass
04-16-18, 17:45
Thanks for the tip, adding nationality may be a good ideas as there seems to be such a huge mix of nationalities available.
To be honest with you we expect Smooci in Singapore to take a while to pick up, the girls there are definitely more cautious with where they put their details.I'm not familiar with the general P4P Singapore scene but judging by the 18,000 plus curvy Karla is asking on your new site I'm glad I play in Bangkok.
TallDarkUsa
04-19-18, 21:46
So unjust booked Zoey from the site. She arrived a little late which is fine if it's the actual girl in the lgtots. She looked about 15 years older then any of the photos on the site. Me being dumb and horny decide to continue. First off she gets in my room and starts looking around at things. That makes me feel very uncomfortable. Next we begin with the worst BJ I have had since InwS 14. I let her take a ride and that was god awful. She screeched every time I touched a nipple. So I get upset and just tell her to play with the jewels while I help myself. Paid for the full two hours and only had her in the room for about 25 minutes.
Never again will I use this agency. I know it's just one girl and one time but with how much advertising they do as the most "professional" agency in Bangkok they should know there girls and try not to scam.
Hopefully this saves someone a long and unpleasant headache!
I'm not familiar with the general P4P Singapore scene but judging by the 18,000 plus curvy Karla is asking on your new site I'm glad I play in Bangkok.Long time Bangkok player friend of mine from the USA decided to spend a few nights in Singapore first on his most recent trip here, booking a hotel close enough to the Geylang area to explore. He lasted exactly two days and one night before changing his flight to hightail it to Bangkok as soon as possible. And that meant bringing him here during SONGKRAN! LOL. He said it was a struggle to find any girls that were both acceptable in terms of looks and did not trigger an immediate scam-alert in his mind. He is a past Smooci user but their Singapore branch was not yet set up while he was there, not that he would have booked any of the options that have popped up so far.
Franciscass
04-20-18, 05:07
So unjust booked Zoey from the site. She arrived a little late which is fine if it's the actual girl in the lgtots. She looked about 15 years older then any of the photos on the site. Me being dumb and horny decide to continue. First off she gets in my room and starts looking around at things. That makes me feel very uncomfortable. Next we begin with the worst BJ I have had since InwS 14. I let her take a ride and that was god awful. She screeched every time I touched a nipple. So I get upset and just tell her to play with the jewels while I help myself. Paid for the full two hours and only had her in the room for about 25 minutes.
Never again will I use this agency. I know it's just one girl and one time but with how much advertising they do as the most "professional" agency in Bangkok they should know there girls and try not to scam.
Hopefully this saves someone a long and unpleasant headache!Assuming an honest post and no reason not to this was an unfortunate waste of 3000. Listed as 31 years old with a 3.5 rating was not an outstanding profile to begin with but it's no excuse for what transpired. When the door opened and she was obviously not what you were expecting (at least 15 years older which would make her 46, blimey) you should have politely explained she was as her pics showed, given her 200 taxi money and said thanks but no thanks and nobody would blame you. Smooci have explained and not totally convincingly in my opinion they cannot verify age due to resistance from the escorts so it's really up to clients to simply cancel bookings when a girl arrives who has included a completely misleading profile on the site.
Long time Bangkok player friend of mine from the USA decided to spend a few nights in Singapore first on his most recent trip here, booking a hotel close enough to the Geylang area to explore. He lasted exactly two days and one night before changing his flight to hightail it to Bangkok as soon as possible. And that meant bringing him here during SONGKRAN! LOL. He said it was a struggle to find any girls that were both acceptable in terms of looks and did not trigger an immediate scam-alert in his mind. He is a past Smooci user but their Singapore branch was not yet set up while he was there, not that he would have booked any of the options that have popped up so far.Booking a hotel in Geylang just to hope for getting laid is such an bad idea. Probably just wanted some budget hotel is the best reason I think.
Getting laid is Singapore is never that difficult at any times of the day or night. Just that you know where to go and look for it. If thinking only Geylang have it. Bad thoughts.
NicFrenchy
04-20-18, 07:44
Never again will I use this agency. I know it's just one girl and one time but with how much advertising they do as the most "professional" agency in Bangkok they should know there girls and try not to scam.And all this time I was under the impression this was like the "Uber" of escorts, where girls can choose to get on / off depending on their needs (whatever they may be) and get rated by the customers. The app being just the Platform for meetings.
And all this time I was under the impression this was like the "Uber" of escorts, where girls can choose to get on / off depending on their needs (whatever they may be) and get rated by the customers. The app being just the Platform for meetings.Not sure how to respond to that. I don't think allowing girls to choose their bookings and being a platofrm for meetings are opposing concepts, and we are both. Maybe I misunderstood you.
I think the complaint is aimed mainly at the individual Escort and the agency she works for. We definitely encourage users to publically post bad experiences as well as postivite ones. Our system is [partly based around clients with confirmed bookings being able to post honest and unedited reviews, which then appear on the companions profile.
We can't argue with any of the comments posted here with regards to Singapore. We try to encourage comeptitive pricing but ultrimately the girls have full control over what they charge. We are confident that in 6 to 12 months a more competitive market place will develop for Smooci Singapore.
Due to the strict local laws and the mass of scams in Singapore we are having to be tough, this means not allowing agencies and trying to stop pimps operating with independent account. It's difficult. We have already banned 95% of the indepdenents who signed up, mostly because they were pimps acting as independents, and half of them were not even based in Singapore.
We will be launching in Manila next month and that will be a similar launch to our Bangkok launch, based around a group of well respected agencies. We are also trying to organize a similar launch in Hong Kong, and potentially in Kuala Lumpr the following month.
With that said we are happy to let Singapore grow organically, keeping our rules strict. It might be very slow to grow, but with growth in other areas it should begin to promote a better standard for the Smooci platform in Sinagpore, and we should see more independent companions who move around different Smooci locations.
Booking a hotel in Geylang just to hope for getting laid is such an bad idea. Probably just wanted some budget hotel is the best reason I think.
Getting laid is Singapore is never that difficult at any times of the day or night. Just that you know where to go and look for it. If thinking only Geylang have it. Bad thoughts.Yes, he just had a hotel room there. He didn't only explore in that area. My friend didn't say he would have had difficulty getting laid in Singapore, just that the choices available and the vibe was far below what he is used to in Bangkok. Have you seen the Singapore offerings on Smooci?
Yes, he just had a hotel room there. He didn't only explore in that area. My friend didn't say he would have had difficulty getting laid in Singapore, just that the choices available and the vibe was far below what he is used to in Bangkok. Have you seen the Singapore offerings on Smooci?Comparing an Apple to Orange? LoLx.
What's wrong with the offering of Smooci in Singapore? Care to elaborate more?
Franciscass
04-21-18, 16:52
Comparing an Apple to Orange? LoLx.
What's wrong with the offering of Smooci in Singapore? Care to elaborate more?Not addressed to me I realize but can I suggest you check the Singapore link. If it"s not obvious I guess its not explainable.
NewOldKid07
04-24-18, 01:30
Hello all,
I am a 25 year old virgin, and I am planning on using servers from Smooci and loose my virginity. Any suggestions, do's and do not's?
I am planning to hire one girl each day in Bangkok, for 3-4 days. Never had any experience with a girl before. Any help would be appreciated.
Q:
1) My Banjo string is tight, will get a surgery for it very soon. Anything I should keep in mind regarding it?
2) I will be hiring through agencies, incall, no street hookers. Should I tell the hookers that I am a virgin so they'd help me, or will they try to rip off an inexperienced person?
3) Water based Lube, Condom, anything else?
4) I read about BBBJ. What is the other kind of a BJ, with a condom? Doesn't make much sense.
5) Will she allow me take pictures, if I pay her extra? Should I?
Thank you.
Hello all,
I am a 25 year old virgin, and I am planning on using servers from Smooci and loose my virginity. Any suggestions, do's and do not's?
I am planning to hire one girl each day in Bangkok, for 3-4 days. Never had any experience with a girl before. Any help would be appreciated.
Do your homework. I'd read this forum inside and out.
1) My Banjo string is tight, will get a surgery for it very soon. Anything I should keep in mind regarding it? Tell her you like it slow, don't be afraid to remind her during, and use lots of lubrication.
2) I will be hiring through agencies, incall, no street hookers. Should I tell the hookers that I am a virgin so they'd help me, or will they try to rip off an inexperienced person?I wouldn't. Most of them it wouldn't make any difference to, and yes, you run the risk they might try to in some way take advantage. Also, because it's your first time, don't be afraid to use this forum to pick an established, well regarded pro to do the deed. There are some bad choices out there.
3) Water based Lube, Condom, anything else?It's preference, but I'm pretty sure you'll get less friction built up with water based. She may be surprised if you have your own lubrication, but it'll be ok.
If you have a larger or thicker sized pecker, you will want to bring your own condoms to Southeast Asia, as the ones made here are made for smaller sized peckers. No, seriously.
4) I read about BBBJ. What is the other kind of a BJ, with a condom? Doesn't make much sense.Yes, the other is CBJ (Covered Blow Job). For sensation reasons, many prefer it without. Though being a virgin, you might last longer with it covered. But make no mistake, BB feels so much better.
5) Will she allow me take pictures, if I pay her extra? Should I?
Thank you.Possibly. Some do, some don't. I always ask first, if they say no, I ask 'what if I pay you'. Generally they'll have an amount that THEY will have in mind. If not I always start off at 200 Baht.
That sounds low, and I've had them laugh at me for that amount, but I've also been told yes a few times.
Other negotiating terms to use are: 'No internet, just for me!' and 'No face pictures'.
Comparing an Apple to Orange? LoLx.
What's wrong with the offering of Smooci in Singapore? Care to elaborate more?I'm not sure what comparing apples to oranges has to do with this. My friend was looking to engage in P4P with females, focusing primarily on paying money to satisfactorily if not pleasantly complete acts of vaginal and oral sex with attractive providers. Let's call that mission "apples". So, in this visit to Singapore, his assessment of the "apples" available were not nearly as fresh and juicy looking, as pleasantly presented and of competitive pricing as the "apples" he is used to enjoying so easily in Bangkok.
I think Franciscass answered the Smooci offerings issue quite well. If you go on the Smooci site and compare the Singapore "apples" to the Bangkok "apples" available for booking at virtually any time of the day or night, you might immediately get an idea what my friend was talking about. At least with regard to the escort scene, such that it is. Then again, you might not. It all depends on what you are looking for in your "apples", I suppose.
I realize that in each case we are only looking at photos and comparing the physical look of the "apples", right? But this intro from SmoociApp about problems he has encountered dealing with agencies, pimps, independents and so on in Singapore ought to support what my friend said about the negative, far less inviting "vibe" he got in Singapore compared with setting up a P4P session "apples" experience in Bangkok:
SmoociApp: "Due to the strict local laws and the mass of scams in Singapore (snip)"
Nobody is saying it is difficult to get laid in Singapore. It was not difficult for my friend to get laid in Singapore. He never said it was. Just that the "apples" on offer were not nearly the quality and value for money he could so much more easily purchase in Bangkok. Hence, he cut his Singapore trip short from about a week to only 1 and a partial night and instead came to the "apple" orchard in Bangkok earlier.
I'm not sure what comparing apples to oranges has to do with this. My friend was looking to engage in P4P with females, focusing primarily on paying money to satisfactorily if not pleasantly complete acts of vaginal and oral sex with attractive providers. Let's call that mission "apples". So, in this visit to Singapore, his assessment of the "apples" available were not nearly as fresh and juicy looking, as pleasantly presented and of competitive pricing as the "apples" he is used to enjoying so easily in Bangkok.
I think Franciscass answered the Smooci offerings issue quite well. If you go on the Smooci site and compare the Singapore "apples" to the Bangkok "apples" available for booking at virtually any time of the day or night, you might immediately get an idea what my friend was talking about. At least with regard to the escort scene, such that it is. Then again, you might not. It all depends on what you are looking for in your "apples", I suppose.
I realize that in each case we are only looking at photos and comparing the physical look of the "apples", right? But this intro from SmoociApp about problems he has encountered dealing with agencies, pimps, independents and so on in Singapore ought to support what my friend said about the negative, far less inviting "vibe" he got in Singapore compared with setting up a P4P session "apples" experience in Bangkok:
SmoociApp: "Due to the strict local laws and the mass of scams in Singapore (snip)"
Nobody is saying it is difficult to get laid in Singapore. It was not difficult for my friend to get laid in Singapore. He never said it was. Just that the "apples" on offer were not nearly the quality and value for money he could so much more easily purchase in Bangkok. Hence, he cut his Singapore trip short from about a week to only 1 and a partial night and instead came to the "apple" orchard in Bangkok earlier.LOL. You own self mentioned about Friend comparing Singapore's scene and Bangkok's scene and that's where the "Comparing Apple to Orange" comes about.
Not what you thought of Singapore's Apple and Bangkok's Apple. LOL.
LOL. You own self mentioned about Friend comparing Singapore's scene and Bangkok's scene and that's where the "Comparing Apple to Orange" comes about.
Not what you thought of Singapore's Apple and Bangkok's Apple. LOL.Ok, you win; There is no similarity or reason whatsoever to compare the looks, attitude, vaginas, mouths, costs, behavior, experiences or results of Bangkok P4P girls vs Singapore P4P girls. They are from a completely different species and, therefore, what is good about one cannot possibly be thought the same, compared with or contrasted to the other. In fact, I don't think anthropologists have ever discovered a case of a child being born with DNA from both areas of the world. Truly "apples vs oranges."
If anyone here wants to experience P4P with an Asian female human, he would be best to remain in Bangkok, imo, because I know for a fact such things occur there. Going to Singapore might result in some other form of human to whatever interaction that cannot possibly be compared or contrasted to what occurs in Bangkok. Or so suggests Tiandihui, anyway. Me? I've never been to Singapore. And based on what my long time Bangkok monger friend had to say about it and what I have seen so far available from Singapore "escorts" at least, I probably won't bother. But Tiandihui knows best about what happens with whatever those thingies are in Singapore. And, apparently, it is absolutely, positively, nothing whatsoever like what occurs in Bangkok at any level ever; "apples vs oranges".
All I know is, Bangkok has a lot of Adam's Apples!
All I know is, Bangkok has a lot of Adam's Apples!LOL. Yes, but even those kinds of Apples are apparently not present in Singapore in the same human form as they are in Bangkok, so it is futile to even try to compare or contrast the two.
Member #4698
04-26-18, 16:51
Me? I've never been to Singapore. And based on what my long time Bangkok monger friend had to say about it and what I have seen so far available from Singapore "escorts" at least, I probably won't bother. EihTooms, you know I love BKK, so you know where I am coming from. 555. Anyway, let me say a few positive things about Singapore.
1. Geylang. Great restaurants on the main street and a lot of small houses each with a stable of attractive Chinese, Thai, or Viet girls on the side lors. This area used to be more fun when hundreds of SW's were allowed to loiter around the lors. It was quite a site even for a jaded BKK regular like myself. But even today, the virtue of the Geylang houses lies in the possibility of doing attractive Chinese girls for anywhere from 75 to 150 Singapore dollars. It is not as fancy as the Macau saunas, but it's nice and cheaper.
2. Brix Bar in the basement of the Hyatt. Without a doubt (my opinion) Brix has the finest collection of the best-looking FL's I have seen in any FL pickup bar in Asia. It beats Hari's bar (in it's heyday) in HKG, Bats or CJ's in Jakarta, and Mixx or Spasso easily. Really high prices, but the talent level is amazing. Viets, Laotians, Pinays, Thais, a few African girls, and a few real, as in actualy born in Moscow, Russian girls.
3. Ipanema. Less quality talent than Brix, but a huge warehouse of international FL pick up bar talent. I think you would like this one too. Prices are relatively reasonable and in my humble experience Ipanema is filled with some fun loving girls. I will never forget a certain sexy Viet Ipanema spinner who impailed herself on my dick in the shower. What a gal!
4. Food is Great! Singapore has 3 native cuisines and with a plenty of small, independant establishments and food courts in which to partake. The food quality rivals BKK!
The downsides are obvious: prices are relatively expensive and aside from eating and whoring there is not much to do unless you enjoy shopping for expensive goods, but check it out. I suggest you schedule a 3 night layover when your business or other interests take you in the general vacinity. I think you will like it. Forget the escort services and oh yeah, in the OT several floors above Ipanema, you will find the adam apple bars. Have fun!
EihTooms, you know I love BKK, so you know where I am coming from. 555. Anyway, let me say a few positive things about Singapore.
1. Geylang. Great restaurants on the main street and a lot of small houses each with a stable of attractive Chinese, Thai, or Viet girls on the side lors. This area used to be more fun when hundreds of SW's were allowed to loiter around the lors. It was quite a site even for a jaded BKK regular like myself. But even today, the virtue of the Geylang houses lies in the possibility of doing attractive Chinese girls for anywhere from 75 to 150 Singapore dollars. It is not as fancy as the Macau saunas, but it's nice and cheaper.
2. Brix Bar in the basement of the Hyatt. Without a doubt (my opinion) Brix has the finest collection of the best-looking FL's I have seen in any FL pickup bar in Asia. It beats Hari's bar (in it's heyday) in HKG, Bats or CJ's in Jakarta, and Mixx or Spasso easily. Really high prices, but the talent level is amazing. Viets, Laotians, Pinays, Thais, a few African girls, and a few real, as in actualy born in Moscow, Russian girls.
3. Ipanema. Less quality talent than Brix, but a huge warehouse of international FL pick up bar talent. I think you would like this one too. Prices are relatively reasonable and in my humble experience Ipanema is filled with some fun loving girls. I will never forget a certain sexy Viet Ipanema spinner who impailed herself on my dick in the shower. What a gal!
4. Food is Great! Singapore has 3 native cuisines and with a plenty of small, independant establishments and food courts in which to partake. The food quality rivals BKK!
The downsides are obvious: prices are relatively expensive and aside from eating and whoring there is not much to do unless you enjoy shopping for expensive goods, but check it out. I suggest you schedule a 3 night layover when your business or other interests take you in the general vacinity. I think you will like it. Forget the escort services and oh yeah, in the OT several floors above Ipanema, you will find the adam apple bars. Have fun!Thanks for the info, Natty. I assume I will find myself exploring the area at some point in the future and I will revist your post if I do!
Has Smooci become an old age home for retired escorts? Last few months the younger, well reviewed girls haven't been on the site whereas all of the older 'well rounded' girls are there for the picking. Those other younger girls are still on the websites but its the dogs who are being sent to smooci. I had three well reviewed younger girls on my radar for last month and none of them were listed on smooci the three weeks I was in town.
Gigi Buffon
05-04-18, 06:29
Has Smooci become an old age home for retired escorts? Last few months the younger, well reviewed girls haven't been on the site whereas all of the older 'well rounded' girls are there for the picking. Those other younger girls are still on the websites but its the dogs who are being sent to smooci. I had three well reviewed younger girls on my radar for last month and none of them were listed on smooci the three weeks I was in town.The cute girls are still there, but most likely are being booked in advance by those with premium memberships, which means that those with regular membership will not see them for extended period of time. Also some of these high demand girls tend to have 2 or 3 bookings on a day, and then go offline.
ChinaSki111
05-04-18, 08:18
2. Brix Bar in the basement of the Hyatt. Without a doubt (my opinion) Brix has the finest collection of the best-looking FL's I have seen in any FL pickup bar in Asia. It beats Hari's bar (in it's heyday) in HKG, Bats or CJ's in Jakarta, and Mixx or Spasso easily. Really high prices, but the talent level is amazing. Viets, Laotians, Pinays, Thais, a few African girls, and a few real, as in actualy born in Moscow, Russian girls.I will be in Singapore soon, could you tell how much the girls usually ask in Brix Bar? What is the level of service? Thank you!
Gigi Buffon
05-05-18, 18:26
I will be in Singapore soon, could you tell how much the girls usually ask in Brix Bar? What is the level of service? Thank you!Read the Singapore forum and its threads, plenty of info there about prices in places like Brix, Ipanema, etc.
A lots of low quality independents are flooded Smooci. I am disgusted by this ugly picture. Why does she want to post this type of pictures? Why does Smooci administrator allow this type of pictures posted, on the cover?
A lots of low quality independents are flooded Smooci. I am disgusted by this ugly picture. Why does she want to post this type of pictures? Why does Smooci administrator allow this type of pictures posted, on the cover?To each his own I suppose. I think it's sexy and shows off her well defined muscle tone and especially strong butt. Fpr those of us who sometimes tire of the girls who sit around eating sticky rice every night, here is one who keeps herself in shape for the job she does.
A lots of low quality independents are flooded Smooci. I am disgusted by this ugly picture. Why does she want to post this type of pictures? Why does Smooci administrator allow this type of pictures posted, on the cover?I assume you are being sarcastic here? That is a great pic of a gal with a ripping body. Too bad we don't see more who are in that kind of shape.
Has Smooci become an old age home for retired escorts? Last few months the younger, well reviewed girls haven't been on the site whereas all of the older 'well rounded' girls are there for the picking. Those other younger girls are still on the websites but its the dogs who are being sent to smooci. I had three well reviewed younger girls on my radar for last month and none of them were listed on smooci the three weeks I was in town.I agree! I guarantee 75% are 5-10 years older than what they state on the site.
And maybe it's cause I'm not Premium so 2 hours could cost more, but at 2 am and lowest price is still high.
Signed up for premium, I'd say the talent is night and day being able to book at all times, etc.
Now onto booking just curious, does Smooci have any competition or is this the best site like this?
I assume you are being sarcastic here? That is a great pic of a gal with a ripping body. Too bad we don't see more who are in that kind of shape.I agree. But, unfortunately, that girl's body is not on offer through Smooci unless you convince her to add to her list of offered services. She only lists BBBJ, CIM, COB (otherwise known as you masturbating into mid air but it lands on her boobs afaik) and Couples.
At 4,000 baht for a 2 hour session with a claimed 29 year old with, imo, only a so-so face as depicted in her other photos.
Not this one, but I have now seen at least 3 Independents and 3 regular escorts featured on Smooci citing 5,000-6,000 baht for ST that I have picked up as freelancers around town for never more than 2,000-2,500 baht. And that would include me getting the kind of true GFE that no escort girl lists publicly on her profile. There is no doubt they would have jumped on an offer of 4,000 baht to stay LT from 10 pm or so until Noon the next day.
Just sayin', for those of us who had hopes that a system like this would have a positive effect on pricing and quality of service in the local industry. That is quite a premium to pay for the added convenience of the girl showing up at your door and ignoring the potential downsides of not actually seeing her in the flesh or having an opportunity to hash out certain critical details about the encounter before committing to a booking.
I guarantee 75% are 5-10 years older than what they state on the site.I'm not sure how you are getting that figure, unless you've managed to book all the girls. I guarantee 98.52% of that statement is completely made up.
We definietly have ongoing challeneges to combat false info and photoshopping, but these are industry wide problems and not unique to Smooci. Unlike other directories and dating sites we do deliver verified, unedited comments, so girls who do lie about their info are usually exposed very quickly.
We've started seeing a huge amount of traffic coming to Smooci, partly down to the closures of backpage and craisglist. And while that means a lot free users may not always see the most popular girls (usually booked in advance by premium members during peak hours), we are getting a lot more girls signing up now. We don't have quality control and we don't have direct contorl over pricing, the concept of Smooci is to create a fairer marketplace, but that means also creating a fairer marketplace fo rthe girls too. We are open to all freelancers to sign up and are seeing anew girls sign up daily.
Doing a search right now for a 2 hour booking in Bangkok (using a free account), I see 82 girls online, with prices starting from 2,700 Baht with 2 shots (which is much cheaper than what other agencies are charging, and even competitive the gogos and bars). The range of girls is very mixed in terms of looks and style, and now a good range of agency girls, freelancers, and even a grow selection of Non-Thai freelancers are available. Some guys may be very picky or have very particular tastes, but I'm confident that average guy will find many girls of interest.
We have also now launched Smooci Manila and have teamed up with several of the big agencies in the captial. We have 50 girls already registered and a backlog of another 60 of which we hope to get signed up by mid-next week. So we are hoping we can repeat the success of Bangkok in Manila by the end of this year. We are also offering any Manila based clients a free premium membership for 1 month on their first Smooci Manila booking. Please email us for more details contact@smooci.com.
We've started seeing a huge amount of traffic coming to Smooci, partly down to the closures of backpage and craisglist..The entire Thai culture is pretty much based on negotiating, you should add a section where a customer can put in a lower bid like you do in Ebay. Lady wants 5000, you can put in a bid for 4000. Its then up to her to accept the lower amount or wait for another customer. We do it all the time face to face, its hard to accept a price without a little give and take. There's also Thai friendly which is like your competition that allows communication between the two parties, that would be an added benefit to negotiations. I've asked for photo's of the girl in real time on Thai friendly so I can get a better idea of what i'm getting.
We definietly have ongoing challeneges to combat false info and photoshopping, but these are industry wide problems and not unique to Smooci. Unlike other directories and dating sites we do deliver verified, unedited comments, so girls who do lie about their info are usually exposed very quickly.Dating sites? But punters making a connection with a P4P girl on a dating site don't need to see a list of services offered on a profile, read other punters' opinions of the girl or rely on posted photos in order to find out if she is attractive enough to book and willing to perform whatever he wants in the session for whatever price they agree upon.
Once one of them has clicked "Interested" and the other has replied, they can easily take the conversation about any and all of it to their personal Line accounts (or similar apps), cover all the critical details without either side worrying about a third party monitoring the process and conversation, exchange current, to the moment photos, even video chat before an offer is made and accepted.
It doesn't matter what the girl agreed to do for the punters before him, whether or not she performed for them as promised or how any of them felt about it. For good or ill, it is now up to her to make good on the "promise" or not and up to him to assess whether or not she earned the agreed upon price.
Maybe I am not aware of dating sites where a meeting arrangement is anything like what occurs on Smooci. But if Smooci offers an option where private conversations and private video chatting can occur before booking, as on ThaiFriendly and ThaiCupid, that would be great news. However, I suspect there is no way such a thing would fit in your business model.
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05-09-18, 15:43
The entire Thai culture is pretty much based on negotiating, you should add a section where a customer can put in a lower bid like you do in Ebay. Lady wants 5000, you can put in a bid for 4000. Its then up to her to accept the lower amount or wait for another customer. We do it all the time face to face, its hard to accept a price without a little give and take. There's also Thai friendly which is like your competition that allows communication between the two parties, that would be an added benefit to negotiations. I've asked for photo's of the girl in real time on Thai friendly so I can get a better idea of what i'm getting.I'm not sure how you can compare Thai Friendly to smooci. Thai Friendly is actually a dating site that just happens to have some freelancers workimg on there. Are you one of those guys that thinks all Thai girls are prostitutes if they want to talk with foreigners? Only about 20% of the girls on there are freelance working girls actually, maybe even less.
I'm not sure how you can compare Thai Friendly to smooci. Thai Friendly is actually a dating site that just happens to have some freelancers workimg on there. Are you one of those guys that thinks all Thai girls are prostitutes if they want to talk with foreigners? Only about 20% of the girls on there are freelance working girls actually, maybe even less.Pattaya is loaded with freelancers compared to Bangkok on Thai friendly, think that's why Smooci is having a hard time opening up the Pattaya section. I chatted with girls from both Bangkok and Pattaya and almost 90% of the Pattaya girls replied with questions about how much I'd give them.
Dating sites? But punters making a connection with a P4P girl on a dating site don't need to see a list of services offered on a profile, read other punters' opinions of the girl or rely on posted photos in order to find out if she is attractive enough to book and willing to perform whatever he wants in the session for whatever price they agree upon.
Once one of them has clicked "Interested" and the other has replied, they can easily take the conversation about any and all of it to their personal Line accounts (or similar apps), cover all the critical details without either side worrying about a third party monitoring the process and conversation, exchange current, to the moment photos, even video chat before an offer is made and accepted.
It doesn't matter what the girl agreed to do for the punters before him, whether or not she performed for them as promised or how any of them felt about it. For good or ill, it is now up to her to make good on the "promise" or not and up to him to assess whether or not she earned the agreed upon price.
Maybe I am not aware of dating sites where a meeting arrangement is anything like what occurs on Smooci. But if Smooci offers an option where private conversations and private video chatting can occur before booking, as on ThaiFriendly and ThaiCupid, that would be great news. However, I suspect there is no way such a thing would fit in your business model.These comments are related to age / info verification. So yes, datings sites are a great point of reference as they also face the same issues of info verification and photo accuracy. To compare all aspects of Smooci with those of a dating site is taking those comments out of context.
The simple point being made is that escort directories and dating site (good ones at least) are eager to provide a platform that can give as much useful information and informed choice to the users as possible. Thaifriendly is a great example as the comments shown on the girls profiles are in no way verified. Hence the comment 'unlike other directories and dating sites we do deliver verified, unedited comments'.
That is the only comparison and reference point I was trying to make.
These comments are related to age / info verification. So yes, datings sites are a great point of reference as they also face the same issues of info verification and photo accuracy. To compare all aspects of Smooci with those of a dating site is taking those comments out of context.
The simple point being made is that escort directories and dating site (good ones at least) are eager to provide a platform that can give as much useful information and informed choice to the users as possible. Thaifriendly is a great example as the comments shown on the girls profiles are in no way verified. Hence the comment 'unlike other directories and dating sites we do deliver verified, unedited comments'.
That is the only comparison and reference point I was trying to make.Oh, I thought your "verified, unedited comments" reference was about the opinions expressed and feedback posted (essay type reviews and the star ratings) by men who have previously booked the girls through Smooci "so girls who do lie about their info are usually exposed very quickly."
I didn't think you were talking about the very brief personal info data listed on profiles as seen on ThaiFriendly. Is that what you were referring to?
That's why I wrote that comments and verification (of photos, age, claimed services, whatever) by someone else is irrelevant and unnecessary on a dating site like that since all you need to do to bust a girl for lying about her age or looks before arranging a meeting is to fire up a quick video chat with her. And to better ensure that she is up for your particular P4P requirements, you can ask her directly and make it known your payment to her is contingent upon her actually providing them.
I arrange P4P meetings with girls on ThaiFriendly fairly often and it never occurred to me to only rely on what TF has or has not verified in that brief personal data list before I agreed to a time, place, services, price, etc.
These comments are related to age / info verification. So yes, datings sites are a great point of reference as they also face the same issues of info verification and photo accuracy. To compare all aspects of Smooci with those of a dating site is taking those comments out of context.
The simple point being made is that escort directories and dating site (good ones at least) are eager to provide a platform that can give as much useful information and informed choice to the users as possible. Thaifriendly is a great example as the comments shown on the girls profiles are in no way verified. Hence the comment 'unlike other directories and dating sites we do deliver verified, unedited comments'.
That is the only comparison and reference point I was trying to make.Are you in any way concerned about the cracking down of sites that promote prostitution? On one hand you've got sites like Thai friendly where the girls can private message people and tell them that they are in fact 'working'. Its hidden behind a dating website. Then we have your website that actively promotes booking the girls for said service. Its pretty much every other week I read about Thailand cracking down on someone and or some website. And everything is international these days, being in another country doesn't give you a free pass. Wouldn't it be safer in the long run to do away with prices and bookings and just charge a fee for using your website? Keep the age verification for legal adults to use your website but distance yourself from the business itself.
Oh, I thought your "verified, unedited comments" reference was about the opinions expressed and feedback posted (essay type reviews and the star ratings) by men who have previously booked the girls through Smooci "so girls who do lie about their info are usually exposed very quickly."
Umm. No, suprisingly enough we were refering to the "verified, unedited comments".
I doubt Smooci's basic clientele is experienced mongers who want to bargain for price, and interview the girls for ultra specific sexual needs beforehand.
AND, not all guys out there looking for 'companionship' have a need to barter for price and have ultra specific sexual needs. In fact, that's most people. Most people DON'T want to haggle for price or deal with that. And most people are satisfied with basic sexual services.
AND, I'm sure there are a large amount of sex workers who are happy to put their profile on there and get no hassle johns to supplement their freelancer income. It's got to suck, day after day to go through that negotiation.
No offense intended to anyone who likes to haggle and needs a girl standing on her head with her hands tied behind her back in order to be able to perform CIM, but let's face it, not everyone is going to be empathetic to your specific needs. Honestly, no disrespect intended toward anyone, but no service is going to be all things to all people.
And realistically, a girl who offers BBFS on her profile anywhere is probably going to get a lot less business than the one who offers it 'one-on-one'. Most guys like to think when they do something risky like that, it's because they're special and don't think that it's maybe something she's offering to every guy in town.
Smooci provides a specific service, and what works on ThaiFriendly, isn't necessarily conducive to the way Smooci does business and vice versa. Next thing you know we'll be asking for a special button we can press to let the hooker know to clean the bathroom before she leaves our hotel!
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