2002-2004 Archived Vancouver Reports [Archive] - Page 2

SeattleGman

05-01-03, 02:10

picked up a 21 year old skinny blonde on the low track around 8pm. forgot her name, but another sw that evening identified her as lynsey. we settled for 40 fs. found a spot, but was interrupted by a passerby, so we moved. after finding onther place, she said she had to [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134). she talked me into letting her out after i initially objected. needless to say, she dashed with my 40 can. i was dumbass and fell for it.

i picked up michelle on the low track same evening around 9pm. she was a darker portugese girl in her early 20's. she okay'd 30 can for 1/2 and 1/2. the experience was okay, but she was really drugged up. after i finished, she fell asleep! (she might of even during). if she wasn't a drug addict, i'd have a complex about that! had to wake her up several times while driving to drop her off. all and all worth 30, but wouldn't call it a great experience.

went back to my room for a couple hours and came back out around midnight. picked up a hispanic looking girl, forgot her name. wearing a baseball has and sports outfit. settled on 30 fs, but this time i told her i would give her 20 and 10 after we were done. gave her the 20 and she started having attitude problems. started with refusing to get in the back. then she took off her pants and she smelled terrible. so i told her that bj would be fine because i couldn't do the deed in the front seat. she started having attitude again and just gave me a few strokes. i decided to cut my losses and kicked her out.

i drove around some more and picked up vanessa this time. she is a 19 year old native american. we settled on 30 can for 1/2 and 1/2. good technique on the covered bj. she was like a dead fish on the main event though. no movement, moaning or anything. was worth 30 can, but not a great experience.

Granola Boy

05-01-03, 05:33

SeattleGman, she was wearing a short coat that night. I didn't get out there until close to midnight. I think she was on Raymur, a block away from Cordova.

Granola Boy

05-01-03, 18:36

For SeattleGMan,

Not all SWs have been bad experiences IMHO. I got FS in the mid-track for 45.00 CAD, but that was bad. I got a CBJ in the low-track but that was excellent! So it's all YMMV.

As for the "old" hi-track, I'd skip it like like the plague. That's there for the tourists & nothing but. I've never gone there to do that, but talked with some of the girls. They start at 1 brown (100 CAD) & supposedly that's just to be with them. If you're looking for younger & nice, go to Kingsway near the boundary of Vancouver & Burnaby. You won't find them in such close proximity of each other, but if you have a car, it shouldn't be a problem.

JohnnyComet

05-01-03, 21:23

Finally back in Vancouver after a long absence.

Got ripped off once already- the old "gotta buy a condom" trick, but also had a couple surprisingly nice low track car dates.

Haven't tried the mid-track or Kingsway really- any tips? I've of course read un_circ's great site

JC

Granola Boy

05-02-03, 01:55

Was out on the Surrey stroll today. Needed to do some other stuff, but ended up passing by 6 SWs. Of them, four were not worth mentioning, one was decent & one was really nice, blond, 5'6" ish, flowery dress...seemed like the only one out there that wasn't cracked out. Seemed to be in her late teens, early twenties & the others looked much older (& much scarier). Got picked up by a guy in a black pickup...Had no money to spare, so went home. This was around 4:30.

Jock

05-05-03, 19:53

Originally posted by JohnnyComet
Finally back in Vancouver after a long absence.

Got ripped off once already- the old "gotta buy a condom" trick, but also had a couple surprisingly nice low track car dates.

Haven't tried the mid-track or Kingsway really- any tips? I've of course read un_circ's great site

JC

Yeah as a rule don't pay until you are parked and ready to go or in the room and ready to go, less chance of a rip off that way, although you usually have to pay before the condom is on so I have been hit with the "oh we can't do this I'm out of condoms line" after I had parked an paid. I bitched she bolted and that was that.. cost me 30.00..

oberon

Visaman

05-06-03, 03:51

Originally posted by oberon1999
I bitched she bolted and that was that.. cost me 30.00..

oberon

That was probably the best $30 you spend, who know what other surprises she had to give you.

Philofun

05-06-03, 10:54

Originally posted by Ashroid
Went out on the mid-track...according to un_circ's guide...saw a First Nations girl...

She was fairly big chested (she mentioned 38D)...
That sounds like Analine. She's fantastic, but is starting to show the wear and tear of the lifestyle.

Sunday for a change I started off in New West about eleven pm, up 12th until it became Kingsway in Burnaby and followed it out to Boundary without seeing a single prospect. Took Boundary north to Hastings and down to the familiar low track but instead of cruising around for a couple of hours first this time I immediately picked up a chubby red head that I'd seen before. Prominent nose, pierced with a diamond, low key person. After reading all of the recent posts about bolting b*tches I suppose I wanted to pick up someone who obviously didn't do a lot of running. She said her name was Wendy, did the usual negotiations and settled for a green for a bbbjtc then opened the passenger side door to spit. I was happy.

Monday night after the Canucks blew goats on national television I'd given up drinking in disgust and so had more cash in my pockets than normal. I'm usually a cheapskate, hitting the low track late at night for little more than a twenty at a time, but tonight I cut through the mid track and found an attractive petite east indian girl who offered the usual for 40/60/80, and I uncharacteristically went the fs route. She said her name was Devin, she reached over and reclined my car seat back, I smelled her perfume, she unzipped my pants and pulled them down, popped a condom in her mouth and applied it sans hands. She was wearing this cute little dark blue form hugging track suit, and I found out that the inside seam of the legs unsnapped and she just crawled on top of me and played cowgirl until I cried kowabunga. She had large very white teeth, and too much eye makeup that could only look good on her. I should have asked if she had a cell #, but by that point my brain had melted to the point of reducing me to saying "bye... bye... I love you..."

I suppose I must have driven home after that.

Jock

05-06-03, 15:44

Originally posted by visaman
That was probably the best $30 you spend, who know what other surprises she had to give you.

Yeah actually the long story is I bitched she started to get out of the car, I grabbed her coat, she said she had a knife (nothing showing) and since I was leaning across the passenger seat with my pants around my ankles I figured I was not exactly in a position of power and let go....

it was one of those dates that had a bad vibe from the start, should have just kicked her out but did not..

oberon

Granola Boy

05-07-03, 23:56

phil0fun (or anyone that can kindly answer): Do you usually ask for a BBBJTC & if you do, do they usually say yes? or is it something that's usually offered to you? I've only gone for the CBJs, but I'm thinking of trying that out...

Thanks for your time.

BTW, congrats on the 20 for the BBBJTC.

Jock

05-08-03, 16:20

Originally posted by phil0fun
That sounds like Analine. She's fantastic, but is starting to show the wear and tear of the lifestyle.

Hey Phil, why is she fantastic????, I see her around a lot during the day and have always passed, she looks like she is showing some ware and tare....

If she is something more special than she looks she might be worth a try.

thanks

oberon

Travelin Monger

05-08-03, 20:11

Wowsa, wowsa. Things sure are different in B. C. Flew into Seattle for a few days last week and FRiday decided to cruise up to Vancouver to check out the action. Started in Surrey where I found 4 honeys at 135 and 106. Also 1 fair WSW at 105 and W. Whalley. Few minutes later LE rolled through and the streets were empty. Headed west on 64th to New West. Counted 4 by the time I got to the top of the hill. One was really a hottie about 19 but when I stopped she responded badly. Either thought I was LE or just too old, too fat, too bald. So was thinking this might not be a great deal after all. Continued down Kingsway though Burnsby and on in towards Vancouver. Fair WSW at Kingsway and Carraugh. Stopped to chat with a a WSW at KW and Slocan but too many piercings and too dirty for my taste. Finally grabbed Sara at Kingsway and Rupert. About 24-25 and a solid 7. Wanted $50 CAD for a CBJ but I said no way. Offered her $20 US and she said okay. Best CBJ I ever had. She told me how great I was and when done offered to take me to smoke a joint. Told me this was her first time out in 6 months and said could not go to her place coz the b/f didn't know and would freak out. If I had not already paid for a room in Seattle, and had a flight out the next morning, I would have spent all my money in Vancouver. Great service and great attitude even if she is on methadone, and trying to kick. I love BC and got to do this more often.

TM

Seoulmate

05-09-03, 18:53

I talked a few minutes with a First Nations girl
this morning although I didn't have time to pick her up.
She gave me a good squeeze through the window and
seemed OK. Said her name was Tanya. I have seen her a couple
times in the same spot on Franklin between Clarke and
Commercial. She has a tattoo on her right upper arm that
says Taylor. Does anyone know anything about her?

Un_Circumcised

05-09-03, 23:09

I cruised last night from about 12:15 AM to 2:15 AM. Weather was dry and relatively warm. My observations are in chronological order.

SURREY: Other johns have been saying lately that there seems to have been an overall decline in activity here, and that was my impression last night. However, I saw little (if any) LE (at least marked) in the hot spots, and no obvious prostitution-related stops. I logged one definite on the lower King George stroll (104 Ave down to perhaps 68 Ave), but there was also a probable (Caucasian, upper fair quality) who turned east off King George down 96 or 92 Ave. I saw nothing on 104 Ave out to and around the Guildford area. I logged three definites in the Whalley blocks, with the best being fair quality.

NEW WESTMINSTER: One (fair quality) on 12th St around 8th to 6th avenues. There were two loitering in front of the 7-Eleven between London and 10th for a bit--apparently taking a refreshment break. Then they crossed over to Kingsway in Burnaby to work. They looked pretty hot from a distance (both showing bare leg), but when I got a closer look their faces only merited them a "fair" rating in my book.

BURNABY: In addition to the previously-mentioned two, I also noted at least two other "fair" definites on Kingsway from 10th Ave to perhaps Griffiths Ave.

VANCOUVER: I logged 7 definites on Kingsway from near Boundary to perhaps Knight or Fraser, and as usual, the best were top-notch SW quality. The low-track was hopping, and there were probably at least 10 there--with a couple of younger, borderline cuties who I would call "good". Not quite Kingsway good, but they surely would be considered good if they were working the Seattle area. I took a nap for an hour, then noted two on Clark Dr after 3 AM from Hastings to 3rd Ave. The one near Hastings was poor quality, the one near 3rd was fair.

Seattle-Vancouver street guide (http://www.geocities.com/un_csd/streetguide.html)

Philofun

05-12-03, 09:00

originally posted by oberon1999
hey phil, why is she fantastic????, i see her around a lot during the day and have always passed, she looks like she is showing some ware and tare....

if she is something more special than she looks she might be worth a try.

thanks
oberon i should qualify that "fantastic" rating. when i've picked her up in the cold at five am or in the rain early sunday morning she was happy to get a green, but once when i picked her up at one in the afternoon she was clearly expecting more. but each time she's put forth the same professional effort in caressing the kielbasa. she really knows how to do her job, um, as it were. funny thing is she never seems to remember me from one trick to the next. she suggested that i'd switched cars, which is true, but still. she'd been working vernon (vernor?) beside the chevron station on hastings, one block west of clark for at least five years, showing off her ample cleavage in enticing hookersuits, but now that that street is blocked off she's moved into the mid-track, and is expecting mid track rates. one thing that is funny that i'd never thought about before... she has huge hooters, but i've never really had a chance to play with them. when she's doing cbj she's positioned so that i can't really reach them. this last time i asked for a peek and she obligingly popped the left one out of its hammock and i did what was only natural and she said in somewhat mock indignation "you said look, not suck!" and put it away. in her defense she had already been pissed off at me for only having a green. she did tell me that she'd do half and half for three greens. if it's slow out she'll take her time and just chat, but at one in the afternoon i could just tell that she was thinking of all the business she was losing sitting in my beater for a lousy twenty dollar cbj. it's getting to be longer and longer between times that i've picked her up and she's really starting to age rapidly. if i'm ever going to take her up on that ½ and ½ i should do it soon.

originally posted by ashroid
phil0fun (or anyone that can kindly answer): do you usually ask for a bbbjtc & if you do, do they usually say yes? or is it something that's usually offered to you? i've only gone for the cbjs, but i'm thinking of trying that out...

thanks for your time.

btw, congrats on the 20 for the bbbjtc.sorry about the tardyness of my response, i'd tried to answer this before but my browser hiccoughed and with the posting delay i wasn't sure if the reply had been lost or was just waiting to be vetted. i guess it was lost.

i've *never* asked for a bbbj. i honestly didn't know they were on the menu until cheryl (a girl i saw regularly for years until she moved away) just decided to stop using condoms on me. i picked up bianca where kingsway turns into new westminster and she discovered that she didn't have a condom on her and didn't want to leave without doing something she could be paid for. megan offered to go bareback for another fiver and ashley didn't bother to ask. there were quite a few girls over the past couple of years whose names i can't recall who've offered to lose the latex for an additional fin. one suggesting half way through that for another 10 she'd go fs... 30 bucks for ½ and ½. 20 should be standard for a bj on the low track. there was a pretty blond who was too thin, just emaciated looking, and i pulled up to her corner (jackson and cordova if memory serves) to ask her how much she was asking (this was before i read un_circ's legal guide, if you haven't read his page (link below in his article) then there are things pertaining to your health and well being that you may be ignorant of) and she told me twenty but her teeth were just rotting out of her head, they were brown and yellow and disgusting looking. i tried to avoid visibly shuddering and told her that i didn't have that much and she counter offered fifteen as i drove away.

at the other end of the scale was a young native girl who just chatted with me while i drove for twenty minutes trying to find a parking spot, rode me cowgirl so hard that any pornstar watching would have been put to shame and it was only after i'd dropped her off that i realized that i hadn't paid her. i doubled back to look for her (honest, i wanted to see her again) but i never found her.

say la vee...

Granola Boy

05-12-03, 09:05

Was out on the town last night after having some dinner with friends & checked out the strolls.

Unfortunately got surprised by two trannies...finally out where the tranny sub-track is. There was one possibility in the mid-track. But I saw her at the gas station. For those that go to the Mohawk gas station near Powell (it's near the Subway/McDonalds), on the recommendation of the station attendants, don't get any of the 5 cent candy. They told me that some of the low-track girls get some of that candy & they don't wash their hands (well they didn't say it in those exact words).

Overall, it was a quiet night, but I guess I was there a little early (10:30ish). Passed by three, but didn't stop.

Ended up waiting for a friend that was going to be getting off work.

After seeing her, it must've been about 4 am & passed by the Kingsway track. Only saw one there (& not much of a looker compared to some of the other ones there in my opinion).

There was one in the New West area, but she looked rough.

Checked out the 92nd & King George area, but nothing there too. Funny thing was there was a guy driving in that area & I guess when he saw how dead it was, he did a U-Turn! I guess he was checking it out like I was...

BTW, thanks for mentioning her name. I remembered it started with an "A" (Analine). She was very talkative & talked a lot about her hometown.

Jock

05-12-03, 21:50

Did my typical lunch hour look for action today... several out on both MID and LOW but not much worth spending hard earned cash on.

A few other notes:

I have not seen the John Watch car around in a few weeks BUT I have seen security from the same company on bicycles several times including today, always in twos and always dressed in Gray coloured jackets, Guess bikes are cheaper for the businesses that are paying for this.

Picked up a regular girl of mine last week, she said she has had no problems with the LE crackdown lately but did sat that she saw Vice setting up a sting on the MID one block east of commercial, She also said they start around 6pm and the decoy was good lookin (too good lookin in her opinion). She said they usually come out in warm weather :-) I am a reasonably steady client of her's and she is a pro so no drugs and stuff -- I tend to listen to what she says about the street...

I might give it another crack tomorrow..

oberon

Jock

05-12-03, 22:10

Originally posted by phil0fun
If it's slow out she'll take her time and just chat, but at one in the afternoon I could just tell that she was thinking of all the business she was losing sitting in my beater for a lousy twenty dollar cbj. It's getting to be longer and longer between times that I've picked her up and she's really starting to age rapidly. If I'm ever going to take her up on that ½ and ½ I should do it soon.

hmm If we are talking about the same person and I think we are when I see her during the day she is not working too hard, mostly just sitting proped against a building on Salsbury just north of Franklin, that's where she was today and did not pay much attention as I made multiple loops... I'd say the 1/2 and 1/2 should be real soon, but hey 20 for a CBJ is not bad, I'm going to have to switch to workin nights so to speak soon so maybe I'll give her a try...

I finding good and cheap BJs hard to come by these days my last few have been cheap but not good by any standard (I've got a few regulars that give good service but are not cheap)...

Part of it is I hate car dates during the day last time I broke that rule it did not go that well (see an earlier post).. so it costs me more for room and girl...

Thanks for the info Phil

oberon

Visaman

05-13-03, 07:36

I know that Mohawk quite well I bout two two litre botles of Coke there on the weekend. It used to be a lumberland store.

Granola Boy

05-15-03, 02:54

Originally posted by oberon1999
but not much worth spending hard earned cash on.

Was in the area & did a stroll of Surrey yesterday afternoon, last night & this afternoon...it was just like what oberon1999 said. I saw one definite yesterday, but she got picked up really quick. At night there were two & one of them looked early 20s. Picked up her, saying her name was Sylvia...nice girl...but I'm almost sure she uses stuff...wanted CBJ (& only offered CBJ although I didn't want anymore than that) for 40.00! I said I only had 25...she asked "Are you quick?"...Anyway...pretty decent CBJ & she let me guide her & she went fairly deep. She wanted a few extra dollars. All in all she got 27.50.

Passed by 92nd & saw two girls there. One of them I'd seen her before & picked her a couple weeks ago. The other girl wasn't my style. Went home...Today, passed again & saw only one girl. Some guys would think she's cute, but she wasn't my style & I'd rather just do my hobby at night.

I am a reasonably steady client of her's and she is a pro so no drugs and stuff -- I tend to listen to what she says about the street...

A question, Oberon1999, how do you tell if she's a pro & also that she doesn't do any drugs? I met a girl who was in the tranny sub-track, but she's definitely a woman...she seems clean & will only do FS covered. Nice girl & would see her again if we cross paths...

Thanks for your time...

Un_Circumcised

05-15-03, 05:32

Ashroid, I was wondering if you could be more specific about where your Surrey sightings and pickups are. I have that city broken into three strolls in my guide (The Whalley area, King George south of Whalley, and 104 Ave out to Guildford), and I'd like to log your information if you could narrow it down more geographically. When you say you "passed by 92nd & saw two girls there", do you mean King George & 92, or on 92 a few blocks off King George east or west? The reason I ask is because there was a recent article in The Surrey Leader on a resident of 92 complaining of ho's there. Then last week I saw a suspected ho turn off King George and start walking east on 92 or 96.

Surrey strolls (http://www.geocities.com/un_csd/streetguide.html#Vancouver)

Jock

05-15-03, 17:10

Originally posted by Ashroid
A question, Oberon1999, how do you tell if she's a pro & also that she doesn't do any drugs?

Well, Like i said I have picked her up a fair number of times, always go back to her place in the east end off commercial dr. Her place is clean furnished and in a good building for the area so she is paying a decent amount in rent. She has never appeared anything other than clean and alert. She is getting her GED and is I would guess over 30 and been working for a lot of years. Said she has run adds as an escort before but perfers to work on the street (I don't know why)... Last time we met she said she had quit drinking so her only vice left was smoking a bit to get high.

She strikes me as someone who for whatever reason got caught up in the business but managed to keep some control of her life. Everything is covered with her and she is actually pretty restrictive in what she allows but seem to be loosening up a bit after multiple visits, however the main reason I keep seeing her is she is dependable - 100 back at her place gets you a massage (not the best in the world but hey done by a good lookin naked woman) and 1/2 and 1/2, no rush no worries no problems -- great for those times you just want to relax and unwined..

I also have another regular girl i see now and then who is younger and I THINK not on drugs but has more imotional issues (and a kid) and her place is a dump but she is less restrictive and has a little moan (probably fake) that drives me crazy :-) same price... between the two of them that is probably over 50% of the girls I pick up, the rest are the usual hit and miss street stuff.

oberon

JohnnyComet

05-15-03, 22:47

Anyone have any good tips for incall places or nice, pampering escorts in Van??

Tried a couple already, but haven't found anything very good. I find SWs may be cheaper-depends on the track- but much more risky in terms of quality and service.

JC

Granola Boy

05-16-03, 03:07

Sorry about that un_circumcised,

I saw the majority of them in the Whalley area. In the day I've seen as few as one, but at night I've sometimes clocked up to 6.

Recently I even saw a taxi drop off three SWs in the Whalley area & they all looked related!

As for 92nd Ave, I saw the two right at 92nd & King George Hwy by the DQ, one on each corner.

* * * * * Clarification * * * * *

That was 94A Avenue (the DQ)

* * * * * Clarification * * * * *

One of them I'd recognized from before, but I didn't pick her up. Was a little too giggly for my taste, although she did have large natural breasts - she mentioned 38C.

This morning though I did see Sylvia again in the Whalley area around 7 am...She was in a fairly conspicous spot to be standing-kitty corner from the baseball park intersection.

This afternoon, I saw a woman standing behind the Brick, just smiling. She turned to look in my direction as I drove by. It was about 4:30. It just makes me wonder if they want to get picked up, how can they stand in conspicuous spots, especially in the middle of the day?

I still haven't seen any on 104th from King George -> 152nd St/152nd St. from 104th Ave to 100th Ave.

What is the date of the Surrey Leader that you saw the 92nd Ave article in? I'd like to look at the copy you saw it in.

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Johnny Comet,

You might want to look in PERB (do a search on Google). I'm not sure how Jackson would like us advertising other sites, so I'll just keep it at that.

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oberon1999,

Finally...thanks for the insight. I think I've met someone like the girl you're most comfortable with. Most of the SWs I've met are usually seeming to be on something or if they aren't at that time, then it looks like they have before. She doesn't live in Vancouver, but in the suburbs instead. She even has her own vehicle! I just met her recently though...

Philofun

05-17-03, 11:51

Just for a change I tried cruising out to Surrey tonight. Well, I followed Kingsway from downtown all the way out to New West down to Columbia without seeing anyone in the low-track equivalent areas, so I took the Portullo bridge over and drove up K George Hiway into Whalley, which was more in my strange comfort zone. For one thing Surrey really is a suck pit and if you can make eye contact with anyone there day or night there's a darn good chance they'll turn a trick. Even before I got to Whalley there was a girl in hooded sweatshirt and blue jeans making eye contact from the other side of the road. I even circled around to get a better look, but she was (of course) gone. There were five or six SWs out, this was two a.m. on a friday night/saturday morning. Unfortunately there were a whole lot of drug dealers out as well, and gangs of young guys just roaming around. There was one attractive young SW wearing tight polka dot pants, but she never distanced herself from a small pack of admirerers so I never bothered contact. There was one guy in a gray pickup making a ruckus of some kind... eventually I saw a buck toothed girl in pig tails wearing a striped shirt under a jean jacket and showing a pierced belly button ring. The way she was dressed I thought she'd be on the young side (lighting in some parts of the Whalley stroll is absent) but when she got in the beatermobile she looked closer to forty. Hey, no problem, she was in shape and at that age SWs usually really know what they're doing. I told her I only had a green, and she said okay although she usually charged half again that. A disconcerting note, when she saw a cop car she ducked down and said that if they had seen her they'd have stopped us. Hm. Didn't know that about the Surrey Mounties. Well it turns out her name is Patty and she really DID know her job. cbj all the way, soft then vigorous with fondling and theatrical slurping noises until I loaded the latex. She told me that the guy in the pickup was throwing a fit because he'd gotten a bj but lost his wallet when his trousers dropped around his ankles and he was circling the strip looking for the SW who'd robbed him. I'd learned that lesson long ago, but was much luckier and found my wallet on the car floor missing only a few two dollar bills (which dates me I know...) Surrey was a nice change of pace, but not really worth the drive all the way out to Sorrey when the low track is right here.

Oh, and for Un_Circ, I drove quite a ways down KGH, and only saw one SW, a very attractive slender young blond at a bus stop near Bear Creek Park. She said that all she did was cbj, and that her minimum was $40, and that she liked to park in the park parking lot. I declined but drove through the parking lot anyway and saw a car full of high school boys about her age hiding behind a dumpster. Probably a coincidence, but in this game a coincidence only has to coincide once, don't it?

Granola Boy

05-17-03, 22:30

thursday night was dead in the whalley & 92 avenue/king george area. in the whalley area, there was le busting someone for who knows what, so it rep001tered all the sws away.

so, i went to check out the services in the area & wanted a massage. i saw "alley cats body rub", but it was closed. one thing to note though was i saw a chilling note from the le saying "the premises have now been vacated. anyone found inside will be arrested". i found out that it had been a crackhouse & they booted everyone out. anyway, alley cats was closed & they closed early.

went home & checked that it was still dead.

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i was out in the whalley area yesterday afternoon (friday) & checked out the scene. it was dead...but it was afternoon, oh well.

there was one girl that had guys stopping for her left & right...but no one was picking her up! i was wondering wtf?

anyway checked her out & she said her name was tanya. this girl must've been either stupid or she knew i wasn't le (by the car i drive). i ask her what she's up to & she said the standard line.

she got in & she immediately offered her services ("80.00 for sex"). i thought why not. she was seriously hot, late teens-early 20's (i'm in my 20s so it's alright for me).

we headed to this really smart spot in the industrial area...she says one of her clients takes owns it. she said she's a dancer in a stripclub.

the 80.00 was for just sex, no cbj. for 1/2 & 1/2 (2 sogs), it was 160.00. i think i might have paid her 180.00, not knowing the dollars i had. the cbj was pathetic & she finished that with a handjob. the sex was was even worse & it was my first time in a car. i can never do it in a car ever again. my muscles were aching. i couldn't even finish & the condom (durex avanti) totally sucked. it felt too oily.

she turned out to be the biggest ***** i've ever met. she didn't seem to be on any drugs. i'm normally polite to the ladies, but she was nothing but. she even admitted she was a ***** (she's like "on the back of my truck it even says "*****""). she had all these rude & demeaning comments. one of the things that really pissed me off was her comment of "do you keep wet wipes for the hookers you pick up?!" i was astounded by that.

after the deed, i couldn't wait to drop her off. she must've been really stupid because she called for a cab & gave her number. while she was using the phone, she's like "i just want you to be quiet." i wasn't even saying anything! i still have her number in my phone for those of you who want...even though she didn't want me to remember it.

if you guys see a girl hanging by the legion, blond, eyes, says she's 5'9" (didn't get to check it out as she was already in my car) & really attractive with minimal makeup, but on the younger side, stay away...she says she only works in the day because "she'd rather use other people's money to have fun than her own." she said she has a 2 year old & went off about how her box should be loose?! all in all, the worst experience for me.

this was the biggest burn i've ever had (& hopefully the last, at least for a long time)

Un_Circumcised

05-18-03, 05:59

thanks for being more precise, ashroid. the story about 92 ave was actually from the now--another surrey paper, and is the 9th story on my news page (http://www.geocities.com/un_csd/news.html) under surrey resident upset with drug-using ho's on 92 ave. as for the bad date you had, that's why i don't like to spend more than $50 on someone i've never picked up before (and i should point out that i only do intercourse--never bjs or half-and-half), and figure i can always offer more money during the date if her service and company are great, and i want more time. i think a lot of these hot, younger, "[CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)" - age sws have bad attitudes because they haven't been in the business long enough to where they ran into a john who didn't put up with their shit, and consequently scared them into being less arrogant. i'm not into being mean and threatening to ho's for no reason, but sometimes you have to lay down the law with them, and fight fire with fire, so to speak.

Visaman

05-18-03, 09:06

Last night I went to ****** and I saw ****** and she said ****** and I said ****** and we ****** then I went home.

Granola Boy

05-18-03, 22:19

un_circumcised,

Thanks for the advice. I'm looking at my post & every mention that I made of the bad experience was bleeped out. Was I too explicit? If so...I didn't know. The word I used was a word that's now commonly used on television...hmmm....ok.

The funny thing about tipping...Tanya said that I'd get better service if I tipped. i said that I tip after good service. I'm glad I didn't tip. I wish I didn't even pay. It was that bad.

Wanker

05-19-03, 01:45

Hi guys.

Longtime reader of the system. First post. Typically, I cruise in the early a.m. In the mid-track Vancouver, there is a kind of shift change where the crack hos give it up and a few better looking girls work for a few hours. Evidently, the johns are less likely to be drunk or abusive in the morning and that appeals to these girls. Weather is a real factor. If raining, it's only the truly desperate that come out.
I have a couple of regulars that I seek out that will give bbbj for 30, one of whom let me go pornstar on her face.

Most of the LE has gone home by 6 am.

It's worth noting that many of the sweatshops in the mid begin their shifts at 6 as well. A lot of traffic with old ladies being dropped off.
I'll try to keep a record for the next time I go out.

underground

05-20-03, 14:10

Looking for help!! I will be in Vancouver for 2 nights before and after a fishing trip. Most of the posts for MP or escort are negative unless you go to Victoria. I won't have the time for Victoria so I'm hoping someone has a good recomendation in Vancouver. I will be happy to trade for some spots in the San Jose, CA area.

Thanks

Jock

05-20-03, 16:17

Ashroid

Yeah FS in the car is a pain :-) for me I am getting too old for that, the last 2 time I did it, once I slipped and just about broke my toe and the other time took me longer to get off her than it did to get things done.

Phil

Sounds like you were lucky you did not pick up the girl by the parking lot, I try to avoid going very close to where I pick up for that very reason... I'd like to check out surrey but it is oput of the way for me and quite frankly it takes a long time to get comfortable in new territory. I've been picking up in Vancouver for almost 15 years off and on so I know the area :-)

I will be changing work hours soon that will means no more lunch time pick-up so it will soon be back to crusing in the dark every now and then, oh well maybe some if the girls I use to do are still working nights :-)

oberon

Jock

05-20-03, 16:18

Originally posted by underground
Looking for help!! I will be in Vancouver for 2 nights before and after a fishing trip. Most of the posts for MP or escort are negative unless you go to Victoria. I won't have the time for Victoria so I'm hoping someone has a good recomendation in Vancouver. I will be happy to trade for some spots in the San Jose, CA area.

Thanks

e-mail me at oberon1961@hotmail and I MIGHT be able to help.

oberon

Wanker

05-21-03, 23:48

Had a cruise by the mid this afternoon. Quite a bit of action for a Wednesday. Saw a real hottie with super long hair. Native, possibly asian, hair dyed red/brown. Quite thin, but also young looking. I have a firm rule about picking up anyone that looks too young. I'd say a total of 7 regulars out, mostly hardcore crackheads, and the girl I hadn't seen before.

Jock

05-22-03, 17:09

LOW and MID Track Repaort Wed May 21

Crused both after work I was surprised to find LOTS of girls out, in fact 6 on the LOW and 14!! on the MID, several on the MID were fair and one BSW was good to excellent, 5'6" in jeans and a pink sweater, hair pulled back, large lips and what looked like a good rack. I saw several cars pick her up and drop her off quick, I can only assume she was asking a lot and was getting no takers, eventually she disappeared.. anyone tried her?

6am Thurday AM 3 on mid and 4 on low all poor (maybe one fair on LOW)...

oberon

Embassy

05-23-03, 21:42

Was out cruising last night from about 11:30 onwards. Like oberon found on Wed, there were lots and I mean lots of girls out. Lo track was kind of quiet, but mid track, broadway between Frsr and Main, and even Kingsway was really busy. Not all that many cruisers, probably due to the shitty weather.

Just some observations: Midtrack area was really busy with some nice looking girls. Most were not standing still but walking the strip. Quite a few were doing the side streets to the east of Victoria Dr. where it is must more convenient to pick them up. Not as much traffic, and no residential. One real hot SW in CumFMe boots and a nice micro black skirt and boobs spilling out over her top. Each time I circled around someone else had stopped to talk to her. At least 20 to 25 different girls in the midtrack area N of Hastings.

Broadway between Fraser had some good quality as well as quantity. Again, just like midtrack, the girls were mostly strolling the street as opposed to standing on a corner. At least 8 different girls in this area during my 3 cruise thrus.

Headed up to Kingsway. The area between Boundary and Joyce was real quiet. 4 pass thrus and not one SW to be seen. However, I did count at least 13 in the area between Joyce and Fraser. A good selection of what appeared to be union and indys through the area. I appears that the high priced ones have moved westward and are not concentrating all in one area on Kingsway.

On my last cruise through mid track saw a SW I hadn't seen before. Not real eye candy but not a crack head either. She was about 5'4", blonde hair, wearing a white skirt and a red top with a fair amount of cleavage showing. She was standing on Hastings right at Clark. After a couple of times around the block I stopped and she got in. Wanted $30 for a blow and $80 for 1/2 and 1/2. Said no thanks, and then she asked for a favour. Wanted to go up to the Kingsway strip and needed a ride. Said she would make a deal. Offering $20 for a BJ and $40 for 1/2 and 1/2. She actually was really quite sweet and maybe a bit fresh on the street. Drove part way up to Vic and Kingsway, found a quiet street and got in the back seat. She stripped right down. Boobs a bit droopy but nice nips. Spent some time sucking those tits to firmness while getting a CBJ. Getting close, off came the cover and ended up cumming between the tits. Not bad for $20 and a ride. No phone yet, but out most nights.

Latin Walker

05-25-03, 21:54

Hey haven't been on this board for quite some time now. Been strolling around Vancity's mid and low tracks for 5 years now. Haven't done it a couple of months though.

Anyone can help me get reacquainted with the area and our lovely SW?

- Where can I find older ladies? (over 40-50) as well as the younger ladies? (18-19)
- Where can I get a cheap ($20) BBBJ?
- Where are the east indians girls and the latin girls?

I know streets change and nights are different with different girls all the time but I would like a general idea because I know that a couple of years ago we used to have sectors (yong sector, old, asian, crack heads, etc.)

Let me know and let everyone else know too, I'm sure it would be quite informative. Thank you.

- I'll be back with some stories very soon as I'm going back into the game.

The John

05-26-03, 21:37

I was cruising from 8:00 PM Friday night, May 23rd and again on Saturday the 24th, it seems that the quality of girls has gone way down, both on the King'sway stroll and the mid-track just off Hastings up by the A&W (from about Salisbury back towards the downtown). I spoke to several girls who said that this crackdown is part of the bid to attract the Olympics. Funny, in Utah they USED Prostitutes to win a bid for the Olympics! Seriously, I have heard that many of the meduim quality girls have heade3d out of town or are laying low. However, while taking Commercial between Kingsway and Hastings I spotted a local trying to pick up possible hookers along Comercial. The first one really looked like a (low key) SW, but she blew him oof (Me too). However, I ended up following this guy for a couple of blocks, he made two more attempts, and succeeded on his third try. this was between 9:00 and 10:00 PM Friday the 23rd about a 1/2 mile from Kingsway on Commercial. Later I saw an obvious SW in her late 20's trying to wave me down on Commercial just a couple of blocks from Hastings. Anyone else had similer experiences? Fellow hobiests BEWARE there are many NON-Street walkers here until at least 3 AM

Granola Boy

05-27-03, 09:23

Latin Walker,

I wanted to post my Thursday adventures, but I haven't gotten time to until tonight...

It was the night before I was leaving Vancouver for the weekend. I couldn't get any sleep so I decided to hit out on the town.

I drove through most of the strolls - low, mid, & Kingsway. I checked out the mid & one of the bloody LE must've spotted me in the area. I was clearing out some garbage in my vehicle (nothing of THAT sort), just papers & stuff. He pulled into the gas station I was at in front of my car & gave me a stare-down! WTF? Screw you too LE! I wasn't even doing anything remotely questionable, unless throwing garbage into a wastebin is considered unlawful! That really got me steamed. That was around 10:30. There wasn't much out in the mid anyway - about 2 if I remember correctly.

Needed to waste some time so I decided to go to No 5 Orange. Got a dance from a "Nine". It was my first time to the Orange. It'll be my last time unless I go with others. The futility of lap dances is a reason I'm not a big fan of strip clubs. No. 5 Orange reaffimed that, even if it is one of the most highly tauted clubs in Vancouver. But they do have gorgeous girls there & a nice mix of cultures.

After blowing money on two low-mileage dances, decided to hit the town again. Checked out the low & mid & they were still quiet! I don't know what it was for me, but I had no luck in getting any eye candy!

I decided to head off onto Kingsway & the pickings were still slim. By this time it must have been past 2 am. There was one girl that seems to be a regular (a heftier girl).

Shortly thereafter, up near the Purdy's there was a woman looking to hitch a ride. I did a doubleback. Anyway...I don't know how I can sugarcoat this so I won't - she wasn't anything Kingsway track material. She said she got into a fight with her boyfriend & needed a place to stay that night. She'd been sleeping in a parking garage the night before & was keeping her stuff at a friend's house (who had a girlfriend). To sum it up, she said she'd give 1/2 & 1/2 for the price of a room...which turned into the price of a room...plus cigarettes...plus a phone card (which she exchanged for grass)...& water & chips. All in all, about a buck thirty five...if you know what I mean...

The 1/2 & 1/2 turned out to be only a BJ & a HJ. She gave the line..."I forgot to bring rubbers"...yeah...ok...

By that time, I was so tired & ready to go home, I didn't even care anymore to pursue it. I don't know why, but I wasn't raging upset about it. I guess I was more feeling sorry for her situation.

So yeah...if you guys find a woman on the street in her 30s or so...a little larger with smallish breasts...use your discretion. I don't even remember what her street name was...she did tell me her real name though.

On my way home though (which must've been after 3:30 ish) there were at least 6 SWs I remember on Kingsway all ranging in age...some looked young & you may want to take care in picking some of those ones up...

Oh...one more thing...check un_circumsised's guide. It's listed under his threads.

Lickher

05-29-03, 00:51

the old i forgot the rubbers routine huh ashroid. i've lost count of how many girls have tryed to pull this stunt on me over the years. years ago i adopted the old boy scout motto 'be prepared'. i never go cruising without a couple of condoms in my pocket.

i've gotten a couple of priceless looks when they start the old "i'll have to give you a hj or bj instead because i forgot to bring condoms" speech only to pull out my own and tell them thats okay. you just know they are suprised and disappointed but they don't want to let their true feeling show so they end up looking confused at how they have been outsmarted.

as for buying her $135 worth of goodies, i think you need to be a little more hard hearted if your going to pick up sws. you'll find that there are a lot of girls who are able to spot a soft touch and they'll have a sob story to bring out the white knight in you. i'm not saying all these stories are all lies but i doubt if your girl would have died without the cigs and phone card (grass).

PoorGuy

06-01-03, 08:07

Well, now that welfare week is over, I thought I'd try midtrack for once. I've just been doing lowtrack (for the fear of a sting in midtrack), and after hearing about the abundance of SW on midtrack, I'd like to try it.

So do the SW often have a place of their own? Do I expect $100 for FS? $80 for a CBJ?

Lickher

06-01-03, 09:09

Hey Poorguy

In my experience it is extremely rare that the girls on the low track have a place of their own. On the mid-track I've found that there are a lot more girls with their own places but sometimes the time of day influences how many will take you home. I've found that during daylight hours while there are fewer girls working there are more who are willing to take you back to their place. At night I've found it harder to find girls that would take me back to their place unless I've seen them before.

The prices on the mid-track used to be more predictable before many of the low track girls started moving in. Lately on the mid-track I've been quoted anywhere from $40-$100 for 1/2 and 1/2 , $40-$80 for a lay, and $20-$60 for a bj.

PS I don't usually ask for FS since I've found some girls who interpret this as a lay while others consider it 1/2 and 1/2. I usually specify bj, lay, or 1/2 and 1/2. Also if you want bbbj I would specify that as well as there may be extra charge.

Visaman

06-02-03, 03:04

Ashroid

For $135 you should have at least spent the night with her. I think she wanted to spend the night at your place, it would have been cheaper.

What don't you like about the No 5? I saw Nine, there a while ago, but I just had 2 dances with another girl, I told her and she understood. I notice that the opened a smoking room. I don't smoke, so that's less sitting area for me.

Jock

06-02-03, 15:56

Originally posted by Lickher
Hey Poorguy

In my experience it is extremely rare that the girls on the low track have a place of their own. On the mid-track I've found that there are a lot more girls with their own places but sometimes the time of day influences how many will take you home. I've found that during daylight hours while there are fewer girls working there are more who are willing to take you back to their place. At night I've found it harder to find girls that would take me back to their place unless I've seen them before.

The prices on the mid-track used to be more predictable before many of the low track girls started moving in. Lately on the mid-track I've been quoted anywhere from $40-$100 for 1/2 and 1/2 , $40-$80 for a lay, and $20-$60 for a bj.

PS I don't usually ask for FS since I've found some girls who interpret this as a lay while others consider it 1/2 and 1/2. I usually specify bj, lay, or 1/2 and 1/2. Also if you want bbbj I would specify that as well as there may be extra charge.

This is pretty much my experience as well especially be SPECIFIC what you are asking for, I have had good luck going to a girls place with MID track pickups but as always BE CAREFULL. I have two gorls I regularly pick up on the MID that I go back to their place...

oberon

Lickher

06-02-03, 19:58

I agree with Oberons warning to be careful. I usually have pretty good radar for detecting scammers so I've had pretty good luck going back to girls places. Over the years I've probably gone back to about 100 girls places and only had one scary incident.

One time after I got back to the girls apartment and gave her the money she left and came back with her pimp who proceeded to threaten to bash my head in if I didn't leave. Luckily he didn't have a weapon and he didn't seem especially eager to fight so I just left.

Now I make sure to survey my surrounding carefully when going to a new girls apartment. If you get a bad feeling give the girl a couple of bucks and leave, its better to be safe than sorry.

PoorGuy

06-06-03, 20:35

Well, I was going to plan an afternoon visit, but the temperature decided to climb to 28°C. Today is no better!

However, the night temperature was a stunning 20°C. That's almsot room temperature. I'm sure you 1-3 AM cruisers had a lot of fun!

Jock

06-06-03, 23:18

Originally posted by PoorGuy
Well, I was going to plan an afternoon visit, but the temperature decided to climb to 28°C. Today is no better!

I braved the midday heat and found Kara a regular of mine on the corner of Commercial just north of Hastings. Her services and price are somewhere between and expensive street hooker and a cheap escort. Back to her place to sweat a bit.. loves DATY and 69. not model material about 5' 6" and a bit of extra weight but not too much. She has a kid so is a bit saggy but again not too much.. Her place is messy but again not too bad....., Basically she is just good enough for the price to keep going back to... She is clean so DATY is fun and say no drugs, tend to look like it.

a fiar number of girls around but most seemed to just be laying in the shade like old dogs (hmm is that a pun).

oberon

Rain City

06-07-03, 18:56

Visited Temptation Studio in Richmond (http://www.temptationstudio.com). Early in the afternoon and the talent was limited. I should have said, "No thank you" at that point, but I was horney (big mistake!). So I chose Ginger.

She was around 23 yr old, with red hair and cute face, 5'6", 155 lb., I guess. She was not my type (I like pettie figure), but did not look too bad until she took off her clothes. To make the matter worse, she was into safe service to the extreme degree. Don't take me wrong. She wasn't a *****, and she was nice and all. But I felt it was not worth $$ ($150 CDN/30 min) for what I got. 6/3/5 (face/body/service). No repeat for sure.

Wanker

06-11-03, 00:21

Had a cruise through the mid track today. The clouds just starting to break, but no quality girls out. Has anyone seen Bobbie Joe lately? Tall native, ponytail, miniskirt, f-me boots?

The girls on Triumph / Pandora are getting scary looking.

Wanker

06-12-03, 00:24

Out again in what will probably be the last of the hot sunny afternoons for a while. It could be welfare Wednesday, I don't keep track. Only serious crackheads in the mid track. A fairly decent looking Native chick with superlong hair and big tits working near the tranny stroll. I picked her up months ago and had to pass as she was firm on a $50 fee.

Very little action on Kingsway at this hour as well. (2pm-4pm)
Gave up for today.

Jock

06-12-03, 21:34

I see a news report this week that LE in Vancouver is considering cameras in the downtown east side. Not that they could do anything to johns without recordings of voice but might scare a few people off.

oberon

Donnie Brasco #2

06-13-03, 07:07

Hey guys...

I am a new cruiser but to be frank it's rather hard to see anything really hot on the mid track and on kingsway. I'm also sort of shoe fetishist (those high heel platforms and stuff) and unfortunatley all the SW that i saw are wearing stupid dirty shoes like sneakers and stuff.

Notwithstanding the above, last weekend I had a good experince with one SW, Kara on the Kingsway track.

Also, I have some questions. Last Saturday there was a hot, tall SW very close to the Canadian tire. She was very different from what usually see in that area. I went round and round a few times but I was afraid she might be undercover because nobody stopped to pick her up. Does anybody knows anything about her?

There is an asian SW, her name is Sachi. I saw her on Fraser and 12th. We chat for a while but it was already late and did not pick her up. She looks quite well. Does anybody can share some impression about her?

EDITOR's NOTE: I took a few minutes to revise the capitalization and punctuation in this report. However, I would very much appreciate it if everyone could refrain from using the "chat room" style of writing with no caps or punctuation. Thanks!

Bun Stuffer

06-20-03, 05:50

Warning: Scam Hotel.

The "New Wing On Hotel" on Gore and Dunlevy (??) is a scam joint. I was taken TWICE in the joint.

First time was a disappearing act. The SW climed that she heeded to wash out her tw*t and leaving me panting desperately.

The next time was the yelling pimp stunt. The SW was a cute little redhead, but the screeching pimp ruinrd the mood, so I took off.

If any SW takes you to the New Wing On, avoid it like poison.

Jock

06-20-03, 17:22

Vancouver MID and LOW

I've been doing a bit of crusin on the MID and LOW the last few days mostly at noon hour but today around 7am.

A decent number of girls out on bith tracks, mostly druggies on the MID. The LOW seems to be a mix with a few good lookin ones and the usual bottom of the barrel ones. Pick up two regluars for me from the mid over the last few days. One Kara who I think I have mentioned before offered me overnight for 300, I might take her up on it sometime, she is early to mid 20s, has a kid so is a bit saggy and not what you would call thin (not fat just a bit of meat on the bones). Everything is covered but she is fun.

This morning I saw a few fair lookers on the MID and on might have been a good. Also was driving down the LOW when a girl lifted her skirt for me to do a little advertizing (no underware obviously). In her case it was not the best thing to do since she was a 2 at the very best and the view down there waqs not pretty :-0...

enjoy

oberon

Wanker

06-21-03, 02:00

I have been around a bit lately. Early mornings and afternoons. There is a cute blonde that works the Franklin/Commercial northeast corner. Could be a sting, but I've seen her a couple of times there.
Lots of girls working Friday afternoon, but lots of LE and lots of traffic as well. I couldn't find any of my regular girls, so I gave up.

Latin Walker

06-22-03, 22:52

"I have been around a bit lately. Early mornings and afternoons. There is a cute blonde that works the Franklin/Commercial northeast corner. Could be a sting, but I've seen her a couple of times there."

==========================

I think I know which blonde you're talking about. She's not new to the work but new to the area. She used to be on the Kingsway Strip. I picked her up once around Commercial on the late afternoon of last Friday. If this is the same girl, I would strongly recommend her. She is very cute 8-9 in my books, better looking up close (which is rare). Did half and half in car for $60 (bargained down from $80.

I'm going again tonight to pick up something new, will let you guys know if I find the rare perl...

Ciao

Latin Walker

Jock

06-23-03, 16:06

Originally posted by Wanker
I have been around a bit lately. Early mornings and afternoons. There is a cute blonde that works the Franklin/Commercial northeast corner. Could be a sting, but I've seen her a couple of times there.
Lots of girls working Friday afternoon, but lots of LE and lots of traffic as well. I couldn't find any of my regular girls, so I gave up.

Sounds Like Dawn, she is on that corner at that time. I've talked about her before here, She is a good lookin blond with her hair often pulled back, but she changes her hair style and colour a lot (always some shade of blond). She has a good body except for a big C section scar and I bet if you were hard nosed you could get FS from her for 40 (cost me 60).

Problem is she is a dead fish, took her to the no name hotel on Franklin for FS no life in her and after she was dressed and out the door before I was even started to dress. Only reason I picked her up again was it had been a while and she had changed her hair so much I did not recognise her until she was naked, same deal with try # 2. She is good lookin and not much $ but left me feelin cold and I have avoided since, but hey maybe YMMV....

Oh While I am 99% sure it is Dawn, if she is wearing a peasant style skirt it is probably Kara who is worth a try, but she usually works the northwest or southwest corner.

oberon

Wanker

06-26-03, 01:01

Thanks for the info Oberon and LatinWalker. Has anyone seen Bobbi Joe lately? A tall native with ponytail, miniskirts and f*me boots. Sometimes will work mornings or evenings on the mid.

Had a cruise Wednesday, but no one out. Payday? I don't keep track.

EastlakeHorndog

06-26-03, 03:43

I live in Seattle and I'm finally going to make my way up to Vancouver July 4th weekend (07/04-07). I'm taking a train up and since I won't have a car I was planning to get motel/hotel. I'd like to get one fairly close to some SWs, but don't want to stay in an area that's too bad. From what I've been reading, it sounds like my best bet is to check the low-track strolls as there are some really hot SWs mixed in with the usual druggies. It also sounds like most on the mid-track strolls are poor quality. I'd also consider the high-track strolls, but from what I've read they're mostly rip-offs.

So, basically I looking for any suggestions to make my experience as good as possible. What I'm really looking for is someone I can take back to my motel/hotel room and spend at least a couple hours with. Where do you think I should stay? What are the best strolls for what I'm looking for? Any information and suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks, ELH

Lickher

06-26-03, 06:40

Hey Eastlakehorndog

Personally there aren't any Hotels/Motels near the Low or Mid Tracks where I would want to spend the night. If it were me I would prefer to stay on Kingsway. There are several Motels near Nanaimo Street that aren't too bad. I've had very good luck finding good quality SWs in this area. For the most part better quality than the low and mid tracks just not in the same quantity.

Jock

06-26-03, 19:01

Originally posted by EastlakeHorndog

So, basically I looking for any suggestions to make my experience as good as possible. What I'm really looking for is someone I can take back to my motel/hotel room and spend at least a couple hours with. Where do you think I should stay? What are the best strolls for what I'm looking for? Any information and suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks, ELH

Hey Eastlake

If you look back a bit you will find some info from previous post along similar lines, also how much is your budget for a couple of hours?? I might be able to help.

I think you are right I have found the best lately by crusing the LOW and MID tracks you seem to be able to find a good one among all the usual with some regularity.

Also how much of a budget for the hotel?? there are places on Kingsway that are kinda motel 6 or small mom and pop operations but I have absolutely no experience with them. there are a few on the low that I MIGHT consider - then you move into the west end which is expensive but surprisingly close to the LOW track, you going to rent a car???

As far as bringing a girl back I have no experience but I bet if she did not look too much like a SW you could do it..

if you want e-mail me at oberon1961 at hotmail dot com..

oberon

Wanker

06-27-03, 21:42

Had a quick look around the mid on Friday, noonish. Only a couple of crackheads out. Is it just me or is it a slow summer for the SW's?
Almost nothing doing on Broadway or Kingsway - Fraser to Boundary.
Am going to Seattle for the weekend. I may have a post to report on that site when I get back.

Un_Circumcised

06-28-03, 01:13

I cruised around Wednesday night from around 12:45 AM to 4 AM. Cities and strolls are in mostly chronological order.

Surrey
As usual, there was nothing on King George between Hwy 10 and 80 Ave at this time of night, but I logged at least 3 SWs between 80 and 104 Avenues (I only made one pass between 80 and about 96 because there was construction going on) -- with the best being fair quality. 104 Ave from King George to around 150 St was more active than I'd seen lately: I counted at least 3 ho's in there--with the best being fair quality. I seem to recall one or two other girls walking alone in that stretch who looked young and good, but I wasn't sure if they were working. The Whalley blocks (between King George, W Whalley Ring Rd, 104 Ave, 108 Ave) were quite active, and there was at least one in there who I rated "good". I also recall that there were more ho's actually working the King George strip in this area--whereas in the past the action was more in the blocks to the west. Another thing that struck me as unusual was that a lot of the SWs seemed to be accompanied by males: This "ho-pimp" duo is something I've never seen much of in BC, and perhaps the women are doing this in an effort to make themselves less vulnerable to police harassment (there has been a big "clean up Whalley" campaign going on for months). Another new thing I saw was that there were about 3 SWs working King George north of 108 Ave--up to near 132 St. I've seen suspected activity there in the past, but this time there was no doubt about it. Overall, Surrey was really hoppin' this night!

Burnaby
Unlike last month, 12th St in New Westminster was dead tonight, and I didn't see activity until I crossed over to Kingsway in Burnaby--where I logged at least 3 (fair quality) from 10th Ave to about Royal Oak Ave. There were also two young babes strolling closer to Royal Oak (kind of weird given the time of night), and I passed them several times but didn't get any blatant indication that they were working. As usual, there was nothing in the Metrotown area, but there was at least one (fair) working Kingsway near Jersey Ave--a few blocks before the Vancouver city limits.

Vancouver
I saw a number (probably at least 10, I lost count) of SWs (many of them good quality) on Kingsway. A report by the John on 5-26 indicated that there was activity "about a 1/2 mile from Kingsway on Commercial". I'm not sure about the exact location he was referring to because Commercial Dr never intersects with Kingsway (Commercial turns into "Victoria Div" about 16th Ave, which then turns into Victoria Dr before Kingsway). There is a "Commercial St" that continues down to Kingsway, but it is a narrow, mostly residential street, and I can't imagine it having activity. Anyway, I did see a few possible SWs on Commercial Dr between Hastings and Broadway, but every time I turned around to confirm them they were either gone or focused on something other than the passing cars. My observations of the low and mid-tracks were similar to what others have been saying here lately: Not much high-quality action (if any) on the mid, but the low occasionally had one who I would classify as good or near-good (especially considering the typical rates on that track). I also saw one (fair-quality Asian) working Hastings at Templeton Dr--a bit beyond the eastern end of the mid-track. I've seen activity or suspected activity in this area of Hastings before, but the side streets (Templeton Dr, Lakewood Dr, and parts of Semlin Dr) are residential and unlikely to offer much. I also saw one or two on Clark Dr a few blocks south of Hastings, a couple of transvestites on Campbell Ave and Raymur Ave, and the usual 10 or so tourist-trackers with their gold-plated poontang: They seem to be mostly on Seymour St now, and I noticed there's now a no right turn from Richards on to Helmcken late at night.

Seattle-Vancouver street guide (http://www.geocities.com/un_csd/streetguide.html)

Philofun

06-28-03, 16:12

Saturday morning between six thirty and seven thirty a.m. Inadequate numbers on the low and mid tracks, sadly falling even below my generous standards. Perhaps it's the bright sunlight, but these SWs were obviously in need of a shower. None of them made the type of eye contact that indicated that they were eager to slide down the firepole face first for a green. I don't think any of them wanted to be there at all. The ones on the mid track were really no better looking than the dregs of the low track. Analine was out on Semlin, but like the last time I'd seen her (and as Oberon described) she seemed to have this really pissed off expression on her face. Admittedly that face was right above the best tits on the tracks, but I didn't want the implied attitude today so I just went home. I suppose I'll just wait to see what early morning Sunday brings.

On a side note I did see a blue sedan with yellow lettering declaring it to be YORK SECURITY right outside the Patricia Hotel on Dunleavy. The driver wandered about a bit, sat in his car for a half hour and then drove away.

Hm, and there was one cutie on Cordova just west of Dunleavy in front of the mission who appeared to be on heavy drugs, dancing and pulling at her garments. This didn't prevent her from being picked up almost immediately. If I knew then what I learned after an hour of cruising I'd have picked her up myself.

Vpofkuba

06-28-03, 21:37

Heys Guys,

I have taken girls to the London Guard Motel on Kingsway, I brought back two girls in one night and they didn't complain. It was 2am-5am so who knows if the are SW friendly in the day. The rate I payed was $74.00 cnd plus tax.

I have also stayed at the Renaissance Vancouver Harbourside Hotel on West Hastings. Now this is a 4 star Hotel and I don't think a E.Hastings girl would make it in the door. The reason I mention it here is by using Priceline.com I was able to get a rate of $40.00 U.S a night. Now by using priceline you might not get the same location but Downtown Vancouver is small and when you are getting 3-4 star hotels for $40 U.S who cares.

Vpofkuba

Un_Circumcised

06-29-03, 20:51

Oops: Almost all the observations on my lengthy cruise report below were actually Wednesday--not Thursday--night. So much for the myth about "Welfare Wednesday" being a dead night. I'm always amazed at how much more late night action there is in BC compared to WA, and how the cops seem to pay less attention to it (I saw virtually no suspected prostitution enforcement the two nights I was in BC). In contrast, I just read a report on the Seattle board where the cops clamped down hard when a hot spot near downtown started getting too active--even interrogating some SWs for the better part of an hour. So don't complain too much about your strolls: You guys usually have a much better scene than us. If you don't believe me, come down to WA and check out our sparsely-populated strolls and humorless LE sometime. I didn't pick anyone up in BC this week because I wasn't high enough: For me, sex without drugs is like cake without icing, and I feel like I'm wasting my money unless I'm at least moderately high. I did have a nice afternoon tripping in a park on some morning glory seeds I bought at The Urban Shaman headshop (see my Tips & Subversion page), but that isn't the best psychedelic plant, and the effect didn't make me as horny as 'shrooms, peyote, or cannabis does. :cool:

JohnnyComet

06-30-03, 18:38

Saturday Night-

After cruising the mid and low, I took a chance and scored on Fraser St. near 49th. Cruising around the block by a school- spotted a yound black-haired SW. She was obviously a little high, but the little head was talking so I picked her up.

She was running I think from her Fijjian "boyfriend," so I high-tailed it out of the area. We parked and had some good 1/2 and 1/2 - $.60.

I've seen sporadic activity over there- she mentioned there were only five girls or so that work that area. Also un_circ, I have seen some SW activity on commerical drive side streets- mostly towards Broadway. Clark from Hastings to Broadway sometimes as well.

What a city for mongers.

JC

Jock

06-30-03, 19:12

Originally posted by phil0fun
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On a side note I did see a blue sedan with yellow lettering declaring it to be YORK SECURITY right outside the Patricia Hotel on Dunleavy. The driver wandered about a bit, sat in his car for a half hour and then drove away.

Yeah that would be John Watch, York Security is the company that appears to have the contract to do it... Not much of an issue other than a nusance, they usually park by a girl and try and intimidate her away ...

oberon

Jock

07-01-03, 17:53

Late Night eary moroning on the MID and LOW

For the first time in months I got out on the Mid and LOW tracks later around 1-2am

Lots of girls out on the MID many were pretty good lookin, some LE action and a bit of interest, i saw and unmarked LE car talkin to one young lookin SW then on my next time around the LE officer was on foot, looked like he when around to all the major corners on foot and had a few words with the girls then disappeared... Never saw that before. He was short and stocky with a bald or shaved head. Anyway there was marked LE around but not enough to slow things own.

The LOW was quieter but a few girls out nothing worth much. on a side note the tranny area had one that looked like my brother ;-) YUCK just a little obvious.. all and all a good night . I would have picke up if I had not already had two shots with a girls at lunch, gotta love th nooners ;-)

oberon

Little Tony

07-02-03, 01:58

I'm going to be in Langley soon. Any suggestions on where to look for SW's and avoid LE?

Lickher

07-02-03, 08:01

Littletony I doubt you will find any SWs in Langley. Your closest options are either Surrey or Abbotsford. Abbotsford is pretty slim pickens though. Surrey is the best bet for quantity of SWs. 104 Ave to 108 Ave between King George and Walley Ring seems to be the most active.

As far as avoiding LE troubles don't discuss business until the SW gets into your car and you are driving away. Also obey all traffic laws. If LE spots you picking up a SW they might try to pull you over, I've been pulled with a SW, but if you don't admit to anything they can't really do anything. They tried to intimidate me but I wouldn't admit to anything so eventually they had to let me go.

Donnie Brasco #2

07-02-03, 09:18

From my own personal experience I can really say that the SW in the MID and LOW track are of a rather questionable quality to say the least. Maybe I missed the real hot ones but in any case I must say I'm dissapointed with what the scene has to offer.

On the other hand on the so called the tourist track every and any SW is a real hottie and I decided that even though their price tag must be definitely higher I'll go for them.
Now, I was wondering what is the price that I'm looking at and how can I make sure that they are not undercover.

Any advice would be highly appreciated.

Also, this not be the right place but I was wondering if there are any pick up joints in Vancouver. I mean something like a bar where working gals are to be found rather than in the streets.

Jock

07-02-03, 18:15

Originally posted by Donnie Brasco #2
From my own personal experience I can really say that the SW in the MID and LOW track are of a rather questionable quality to say the least. Maybe I missed the real hot ones but in any case I must say I'm dissapointed with what the scene has to offer.

On the other hand on the so called the tourist track every and any SW is a real hottie and I decided that even though their price tag must be definitely higher I'll go for them.
Now, I was wondering what is the price that I'm looking at and how can I make sure that they are not undercover.

Any advice would be highly appreciated.

Also, this not be the right place but I was wondering if there are any pick up joints in Vancouver. I mean something like a bar where working gals are to be found rather than in the streets.

If you are going to look at the high track/tourist track girls get and escort for 200-300 an hour, you'll have a better time and it will be cheaper !!!!

The high/tourist track quote you 100 for a good time which turns out to be a clothed HJ then they add extras as you try for more so FS would probably run you 300+ and it would be rushed if you spent 300 on a "good" escort you could have fun...

Personnally that's too much cash for me thus all my posts about the LOW and MID.... good luck, you'll probably need it ;-)

oberon

Lickher

07-02-03, 20:45

Donnie

I completely agree with Oberon on this one. Don't even bother with the tourist track. I've picked up girls on this track and it isn't good value for your money. Your looking at $300-400 for FS and $400-500 for 1/2 and 1/2 and the attitude and performance sucks. If your going to spend this amount of money you may as well go with an escort. At least this way you can do some research, read some reviews, and have some idea of the quality of performance you are going to receive.

The tourist track prices are way too big of a gamble for an unknown commodity. You are right most of the low and mid track girls are of a questionable quality. I frequent the mid track and Kingsway and if you are persistant there are gems to be found.

Latin Walker

07-03-03, 09:56

Donnie Brasco:

I have tried the higher "tourist track" and it is RIDICULOUS. Girls go from $300 and up for full service - that's for half an hour. They are extremely hot but unless you're extremely rich, it is a complete waste of money.

I suggest you try the local papers for escorts and in-out call girls. These girls (depending on the location) range from good looking to model like and are a bargain at around $120-$160 for full service and full hour. I have been with a few that have given me two hours for $180. It's also a lot more safe than playing with LE.

I love the challenge and the risk involved in SW and that's why I still do it. Plus I love being able to drop a green and get a BJ at anytime of night or day.

As for clubs that would have SW mingling with the patrons; the only one I can think of where it is completely in the open is "The Penthouse" (corner of Nelson and Granville). The girls will walk from table to table talking to the guys that look their way. You can enjoy a beer, watch a stripper and sample the goods from a SW, all from a relatively safe place.
I've done it a few times and it's pretty easy, just don't be fooed by the low light environment, you might have a surprise when she steps outside. hehehe...

If anyone has any other clubs or joints that let SW work their patrons, please post for all to enjoy.

Hope it helped Donnie, have fun.

"Enjoying the streets in Vancouver since 1999", Latin Walker

Un_Circumcised

07-03-03, 20:28

Something I've never really understood about the Tourist Track (AKA "Old High-Track") is why the cops have never seemed to pay much attention to it. I've never heard of any stings there, and there was only one time I was hassled in years of cruising and picking up there: I slowed down to gawk at a SW, and a cop pulled up beside me and motioned me to keep moving. This track was where I became a john in '85, and the standard rate for a lay then was $80. I think the prices started getting more outrageous by the early '90s, but by then I had moved over to the low-track (which I didn't even know existed until around '90). I think the track has shrunk in size in recent years due to Yaletown gentrification, and now the SWs are mostly on Seymour between Helmcken and Nelson. This geographical reduction seems to have reduced what little competition there was, and contributed to the "union" attitude among the women. But I think the "tourist" moniker (which I coined) is accurate: I can't imagine that locals aware of the other strolls (Kingsway in particular, which has kind of become the new high track) would mess with this stroll.

Dave

07-04-03, 10:32

pardon me if i'm being presumptous here as a new member, but i think the obvious reason that the tourist track sees less overall le is that the sw, and johns there are not causing the kinds of outlandish problems that they are on the low track, and that there is not the problem of sw scaring the supposedly straight and upstanding citizens of suburban bedroom comunities. most le are not against prostitution per se, but usually are responding to complaints and political pressure. i mean really, take it from somebody that has known a few cops, there are no bigger mongers than off duty le!
however, the tourist track is not always the safe zone that its often made out to be. i have observed stings there, although not in several years, and i have seen an unmarked mini-van with a plainclothes officer photographing every car that makes more than one circuit around the block. this was about two months ago.
now, a question; are there any porn cinemas, peep shows etc. in vancouver where a movie buff could reasonably expect to get a tug or blow from a sw, and if so, what type of $ and quality are we talking about? this was my main form of recreation during my days in the military in europe.
thanks, and great forum,

dave

SweetWillyP

07-05-03, 08:44

ok i know i am gonna look like a dumb ass. but who coined the high track, low track, mid track, was that you un circ?and why are they called that? i know that the low has the nasty low dollar girls, but the mid and high seem to have all types

Un_Circumcised

07-07-03, 04:49

Not I, Sweetwilly. In fact, I don't even recall hearing the term "track" until I got online in '97 and started reading alt.sex.prostitution. As for Dave's remarks, I suspect that there is also probably an element of classism in why the Tourist Track has been ignored so much.

EastlakeHorndog

07-08-03, 03:54

Vancouver low-mid track stroll:

I just got back from Vancouver, and cruised the low/mid strolls pretty extensively:

I arrived on Friday night. I found a decent hotel (the only one) on E hastings, about in the middle of the stroll. After I got settled in, I started walking around about 7pm. I checked all along Hastings and Cordova sts. This stroll is a john's utopia compared to what I'm used to in Seattle! On Hastings, there was a SW on almost every block! It seemed most girls kept in the same general area, only moving a block or two occasionally, perhaps to avoid harassment. Most were on Hastings, but Cordova had a few, and I also someone occasionally in the alley between Hastings and Cordova. I saw lots of LE, none hassled me or the SWs.

After about 90 min of checking out the scene, I picked up 'Lisa'. She was pretty decent of a SW, about 5' 7", blond, said she was 23. I'd say she was about a 7 by SW standards (I would rate a 7.5, but after she got undressed, a noticed her tiny tits). After we got back to my room, she said a lay was $50. I asked if she did greek, we agreed on $100 for everything. We started with an average covered BJ, then moved to missionary. After a few minutes, she turned over and I tried greek. What a rip! She would only let me put it in about an inch, then complained it hurt. Realizing this was pointless, I finished her doggie style. Even though I got duped, it was still better than most experiences I've had in Seattle.

The next night I cruised Main St. and Kingsway pretty extensively. I only saw a couple on Kingsway, and I'm not positive they were SWs. In any event, they were not any better quality than what I saw on the E Hastings/Cordova stroll.

Uncircumsized, you are so right: the Vancouver street seen is far better than Seattle's. I'll be sure to spread the word.

Loveacpi

07-08-03, 04:30

[QUOTE]Originally posted by EastlakeHorndog
[i]Vancouver low-mid track stroll:

>I just got back from Vancouver, and cruised the low/mid strolls >pretty extensively:

>I arrived on Friday night. I found a decent hotel (the only one) >on E hastings, about in the middle of the stroll.

What was the name of the hotel? I go up to Vancouver on business every couple of months. I have thought of getting a room near the stroll and was wondering what was there. I usually stay in Richmond near my customer stops.

Thanks!

Terry

Donnie Brasco #2

07-08-03, 07:47

I don't know how the scene in Seattle looks like but one should not confuse quantity with quality. I mean, indeed there is a lot of action going out there but I rarely saw something really worthy.
One of the members suggested that if one really persists and gather enough patience he will come across the "gems" on the low/mid track. I have been out twice since my last postings and I did see 2 gems.

The first was on on Friday night on Kingsway, just north of Nanaimo junction. She was looking absolutely astonishing (at least from a few meters distance), tall, long hair, sexy platform shoes. Unfortunately, by the time I managed to turn back she was just about to get into a Bimmer SUV. I was sooo upset I went straight home. If anybody had an experience with her maybe you can share it, just in case.
The second one was on Kingsawy, around the Safeway area. I circled 2-3 times but just when I wanted to stop I saw a police car approaching from the opposite direction. I had to continue driving on and when I came back she wasn't there anymore. She was looking real hot(I'd give her a 8.5-9).

I had some small talks with some of the SW on the high track but for now I decided to follow the advice and look elsewhere. I was once in Vegas and picked up one stunning brunette from the Bar at the Rio and the whole thing was a real flop (big bucks for sub par service). From what I understand this is what I should expect if I pick a SW from the high track.

Also, I have a question. It seems to me that all the area on Clark and part of Hastings is populated mainly by trannies. Am I right or is a visual ilusion?

Latin Walker

07-08-03, 11:35

Well guys, as a local, let me tell you that you're spending too much money on the Hastings stroll. 100$ for half and half is extremely expensive for any girl on that part of town. You shouldn't have to spend more than $60 (sometimes $80 if she's really hot) for half/half.
Be careful about those hotel on Hastings too, most, if not all, will NOT let you go up to the room with a girl. Our guy here probably got lucky with the one he brought back that night. They didn't notice you.

Just a friendly reminder.. that's all!

Happy hunting,

Latin Walker

Philofun

07-08-03, 19:57

East Lake Horndog,

You can pay far less than you did while in Vancouver. Of course you can pay far more, as well. There are several top line providers who supply their own apartment, supermodel looks and GFE level service and they charge accordingly. A few nights ago I was out and about at five a.m. and saw a very attractive young lady on the corner of Jackson and Hastings, slender and brunette, who provided a pleasant and competant cbj for $20. She just asked me what I was interested in, I said a bj, she said she'd like to be paid before she started and I already had the green in my hand. She unrolled the latex and made me a happy man. Her name is Wendy, and we also talked about the trannie section of the track. It's mostly where Raymur drops under Hastings between Glen and Campbell, and crosses Cordova. Those guys can look really hot, but as you drive past you notice the large hands, the adams apple, the square jaw, involuntary shudder. A female SW, unmade up, just wearing a tied off shirt and cut off jeans was chatting with a couple of the guys one day and the contrast was shocking. She looked about a foot shorter, and not as attractive, but seeing those guys made up like women just made my skin crawl. I have nothing against them (and hope to never have anything against them) I just have a preference for women, and seeing them looking prettier than a woman standing next to them, but by comparison looking like the Lions linebacking corp just freaked me out.

Hm, I bet the Lions could use these guys.

Wanker

07-09-03, 02:08

Had a cruise through the mid track today. Noticed a very hot brunette with a plaid micro-mini and f*me boots. Typically a girl this hot will be out of my price range so I continued on. On a subsequent pass, I saw her get into an unmarked Crown Victoria cruiser, black and no hub caps, an obvious LE vehicle.

They ended up behind me at the light at Commercial / Hastings.
She had her boots off and was eating a hamburger and laughing with the LE driver.

The time was exactly 3:00 in the afternoon, so I guess they were having a coffee break.

I can't recall much about her looks other than spectacular legs and dark brown hair.

Beware what looks too good to be true.

EastlakeHorndog

07-10-03, 03:38

Terry,

I think the Hotel's name is the Patricia - budget hotel. I know the moniker had the words 'budget hotel' in it. It isn't a great place (small room), but it's clean and seems pretty safe. It was the only decent looking hotel I saw in the low/mid area.

As far as getting the girl into you room, I didn't have any problem. She was pretty smart though; she put on her coat, and acted casually when we entered. I think the desk clerk was in the back, and didn't see us, but he seemed pretty laid back anyway. My guess is if you're pretty discrete, it shouldn't be a problem.

RE prices, yeah I sort of knew I paid too much, but I don't get a chance to do greek everyday, so I thought I'd take a chance. The girl I hooked up with was worth $50 CA for H&H, so I wouldn't have felt at all bad about just paying that. Check other posts for prices (that's what I did). It looks like for straight sex or H&H, the price range is about $30-60 depending on quality.

Philofun

07-10-03, 19:13

Originally posted by EastlakeHorndog
I think the Hotel's name is the Patricia - ...The Patricia is on what, Dunleavy and Hastings? They spruced it up in '86 for Expo and were charging ludicrous rates throughout. I'd been on foot and popped in to use their restroom, during the day the dining room was packed with pensioners, not a one of them younger than 80 by their looks. Undoubtably safe as your greatest danger is having one of the residents wish to talk to you. Even though I live in Vancouver I'd often considered getting a room for a few days on Hastings and just slumming. Maybe I'll call the Patricia and see what their rates are. Or maybe I'll totally dumpster dive and call the Astoria.

Originally posted by EastlakeHorndog
RE prices, yeah I sort of knew I paid too much, but I don't get a chance to do great everyday, so I thought I'd take a chance. The girl I hooked up with was worth $50 CA for H&H, so I wouldn't have felt at all bad about just paying that. Check other posts for prices (that's what I did). It looks like for straight sex or H&H, the price range is about $30-60 depending on quality. Mid-track girls quote 40-60-80 (bj, straight, ½+½.) I stopped asking high track girls. Hey, as long as you're happy with what you get you're doing fine. I think anyone in a new area might pay more initially. Of course the opposite is true, a new SW doesn't know what to charge, and I once had a fairly pretty girl from Kamloops provide ½+½ for a $20. Play the game long enough and it all evens out.

Wanker

07-12-03, 01:15

Had an afternoon cruise through the mid track today. The usual pack of hyenas was lolling about in the shade. Pretty hot today, must be near 30.

A SW that I had tried before (named Neesa, I think) was working at Commercial / Franklin and I picked her up. Big mistake. She hadn't had a shower in some time, so I said no thanks.

This caused her to get kinda freaky. Had to give her a blue just to get her out of the car without raising a major stink.

Lots of LE out today as well, so I gave up.

SweetWillyP

07-13-03, 21:48

surrey and vancouver low mid and high
i decided it was high time to come back to the great north. i was nervous after a bad situation a couple months ago, anyway drove thru surrey up king george i saw 3 mid level girls around 64th but i didnt want to stop till i saw it all. i was comming up to i think edmond street and saw a perfect 10 now let me give you this disclaimer i only drove past and talked to her for a second. she was euro looking with a tight black mini dress and short black hair i passed because i hadnt seen enough.i cruised high track and saw various very hot girls.went down to low track and saw the usual variance between very hot and extremely scary. i picked up a sw she was 4-11 and very skinny nice looking probly a solid 8 for seattle and a 5 for vancouver,but i have a thing for cute little short women.she wanted 40 for half and half, i didnt negotiate i just said ok. the service was good better than most for a extra 10 she finished bbbjtc.i was goona head outta town but i still had 80 in my budget so i went sight seeing over to the mid track and various other side streets the girls were everywhere.i finally found a hot blonde dressed in totall sw gear white fishnets etcetra.she wanted 40 for a bj i wanted a bbbj she agreed for 50.extremely good technique even though i had already had a girl it didnt take long and i was a happy man heading for the border and back to crappy seattle streetwalkers

Visaman

07-14-03, 06:39

It's been awhile, since I wrote in here, but I was in Las Vegas last week, and got spiced by Cindy Spice, you can read about it in the LV Forum. I didn't post the price there, but it was 7 bills for 2 hours, but well worth it.

alext512

07-16-03, 06:28

Hey all (writing from the seattle board)-

Not to ask too newbie a question but..

1) Is there a good referrence site for Vancouver? These posts are great, but I feel like they are being built on no foundation- i.e., I got no idea what you all are talking about with the different tracks and everything else.

Also..

2) Anyone have any experience with the massage parlors? I found a list here, includes madame cleo's and swedish touch- http://www.geocities.com/hipsterdca/vancouver1.htm Any good? Any idea on prices(prices posted on the sites look good, but I assume there is more to it than the listed prices)? These appeal because I can't bring anyone back to my hotel.

3) Any suggestions for a b.c. newbie trying to avoid a car date and the hotel?

4) Any suggestions for an out of towner to easily and safely pick up some green leaf?

I'll be up there this weekend and will try and take copious (and copulatory ;) notes..

Oh yeah, I will be staying Downtown/Harbourside...

Thanks!! and happy hunting....

Oceanman

07-16-03, 08:32

Hi guy, new to this hobby. I was just wondering if this don't sound to stupid. What does DATY stand for. I would like to found out.

Thank you.

Hi,

I see this question in the Forum all the time, so I have to ask: In your browser, can you see the link labeled "Terms and Abbreviations" in the black menu bar at the top of this page? Apparently there must be some problem with the visibility of this link in some browsers, so any feedback you could give me would help me identify the specific problem.

jackson@wsgforum.com

Thanks,

Jackson

Jock

07-16-03, 16:21

Originally posted by alext512
1) Is there a good referrence site for Vancouver? These posts are great, but I feel like they are being built on no foundation- i.e., I got no idea what you all are talking about with the different tracks and everything else.

2) Anyone have any experience with the massage parlors? I found a list here, includes madame cleo's and swedish touch- http://www.geocities.com/hipsterdca/vancouver1.htm Any good? Any idea on prices(prices posted on the sites look good, but I assume there is more to it than the listed prices)? These appeal because I can't bring anyone back to my hotel.

3) Any suggestions for a b.c. newbie trying to avoid a car date and the hotel?

4) Any suggestions for an out of towner to easily and safely pick up some green leaf?
1) Try any of the tourist sites I guess, take a look at Uncirc's site URL on this and the Seattle board.

2) AVOID Madam Cleos adn Swedish Touch unless you have several hundred to spend minimum, rip offs in my opinion, I'm not into massage scene but try Bex, it is in the phone book also look on www.perb.ca for more reviews..

3) Uncirc list some short say hotels, someone just used the Patricia Hotel with success but I assume you already have a place to say..

4) no idea ....

oberon

JohnnyComet

07-16-03, 20:11

For leaf, go to one of the hemp cafes on Hastings and ask. Someone will point you in the right direction.

Try Lavanda Massage on Pender, but make sure you ask for the "all inclusive" price. YMMV, depending on the SP. Around $$ Cdn.

Un_Circ's guide is the best for track guides. Check perb.ca for occasional references and reviews, but watch for the shills.

JC

Un_Circumcised

07-17-03, 22:47

Alex, the main purpose of my home page is trying to decipher the locations johns are referring to on these boards, and give them some rough boundaries so newbies can circle them on a map. I don't log every post because some johns define locations by businesses and obscure landmarks rather than streets, but I try to figure them out using online yellow pages, and ask for clarification if it sounds like a new area. In addition, I check a few dozen local newspaper, TV, and radio station sites for street prostitution news every week--so if there are any inaccuracies or omissions in my guide, they must be very few.

As for marijuana, Vancouver is still not comparable to Amsterdam (despite the Vansterdam nickname), and there are no coffeeshop-type outlets selling bud. Unless you have connections, you're therefore forced to score off the street--just like any other city in prohibitionist North America--with its attendant rip-off and bust risks. You might try the blocks around the BC Marijuana Party Headquarters-Bookstore (307 W Hastings St) or the Granville (street) mall area. I don't recommend trying to bring your own stash across the border unless you've eaten it or it's cooked into some food item (techniques I've used successfully for 12 years).

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Lickher

07-18-03, 02:42

Originally posted by SweetWillyP
ok i know i am gonna look like a dumb ass. but who coined the high track, low track, mid track, was that you un circ?and why are they called that? i know that the low has the nasty low dollar girls, but the mid and high seem to have all types I think the SWs themselves coined these terms. I heard the girls on the high track using these terms when I started in the hobby 13 years ago. If I had to hazard a guess I would guess that it was the high track girls that came up with these terms and I think they are refering to the class of the SWs that work these areas. ie. High Track= High Class SWs, Low Track= Low Class SWs, from talking to these girls they has a pretty low opinion of the low track girls.

Tom Thompson

07-21-03, 07:35

Originally posted by "phil0fun" on April 3, 2003:
... there is a trim figured sw appearing intermittently on either Heatley or Hawks from early evening to well after midnight, 1920s style bobbed hair cut, looks as if she could be cast as Wallice Simpson (the American divorcee Duchess of Edinborough) on PBS' Masterpiece Theatre. She disappeared for a few months, was back the other night but was gone before I could catch her on the return circuit. It's obvious she's developed a loyal clientele. Does anyone have a name (or review) to go with the face? Phil, the SW you're looking for sounds a bit like the one I'm looking for. I haven't posted in a while, so here's a VERY long story:

Back in early May, I met a girl named Heather on the corner of Kingsway & Clarendon (the corner before Nanaimo, heading west on Kingsway). I believe that was the first time I had ever seen her there because I'm positive I would've picked her up right away had I seen her there before. Basic description: 19 years old, Caucasian, around 110 lbs., 5'5", approx 34B-24-34, one of those "beautiful people" you might see at a club or something. She had very short curly blond hair, above-her-ears-short. Phil, I'm not sure who Wallice Simpson is and I never watch Masterpiece Theatre, but your description of a "1920s style bobbed hair cut" sure seems like the type of hair this girl had (even though I'm not sure what a bobbed hair cut is, it eerily sounds similar). I would compare her hair to that of Drew Barrymore's in "The Wedding Singer" (with Adam Sandler). The moment I saw her, I double backed and luckily she was still there. Instantly, she came to my door and hopped right in, no questions asked. She charged 4 greens for CBJ but we agreed on 3. I was unfamiliar with the area so we ended up driving around for about twenty minutes trying to calm my paranoia of being busted by the cops. All the while she was extremely calm and cooperative. Finally I found a secluded spot and she was in no rush whatsoever. We sat talking for almost twenty more minutes and she made me feel totally at ease. After settling the fee, she got down to business and I must say, hands-down, that was the best BJ I have EVER received, covered or bare, young or old, girlfriend or provider. She totally took her time, this girl knew how to give a great BJ. She put the condom on without her hands and performed most of the BJ the same way (her hands wandered everywhere else but my groin area). Also included was complementary gentle testicle massage and obligatory "balls-in-mouth with humming". After almost ten minutes, I couldn't hold it anymore. I blew my load and I was drenched in sweat, and that's probably the longest I've had a BJ ever last. Afterwards, she gave me her number and told me to call anytime, and I dropped her off where I picked her up.

I try to get out each weekend and cruise all the tracks, and throughout May I did just that, and I saw Heather at her corner on at least 2 occasions during that month but never approached her (just wanted to make sure she was still there).

At the beginning of June, I finally made the time to see Heather for a private session and decided to call her up for the first time. Right away, she remembered who I was. We set up a time and place, and a price (2 browns, plus a green for use of her friends place). I timed it for a Sunday night, hoping she was having a slow night and it turned out she wasn't even planning to go out, so all was well. Where we ended up going was kind of a dive (Main & 10th area), it was upstairs in a home which had 6 different tenants. The place was quite messy, everything was in boxes, and she had an air mattress for us to use. I thought this was going to turn out to be a rushed, dirty session. Her friend was in the next room and she offered to have her leave, but when I asked her to do so, the friend ended up staying. Little head didn't give a shit about the friend when he had this young, wholesome, gorgeous tight blond in front of him. After another ten minutes or so of chatting, I offered to smoke a joint with her and she accepted, then we got down to business. She wore some lingerie I picked out and after much deep deep french kissing and heavy petting/stroking, she started me off with another priceless BJ, this time not covered, again beautiful technique. After a few minutes, I turned her over and returned the favour. Fifteen minutes and two loud 'O's later, she was so worked up she really wanted to start with the full service, and I was really overjoyed that everything had went so well so far. She climbed on top and rode me cowgirl, and she really really knew how to work it. It seemed like almost ten minutes she rode me. I was just trying to concentrate on not exploding, continuously thinking about how much the Ducks are really going to suck this coming season now that Kariya is gone :) Then she said doggie style would make her cum, so we switched and within a minute I blew my load. That was the first time ever I lasted a full hour with an SW and that was the first time ever a session lasted the full 60 minutes with no "uncomfortable silences."

As we sat there, neither of us able to move, slouched over each other, we took another few minutes to recuperate and I had an epiphany of sorts: in my 6+ years of pooning, that was definitely the best session I ever had and I was off all other SW's, I would only call Heather, and I truly meant it. We chatted some more and parted with another long, soft sensual GFE-type kiss. Walking down those stairs, I thought my legs were going to give out from under me at any second, and don't even ask about the drive back out to the 'burbs. You know when you daydream while driving and you still get to your destination, not knowing exactly how you got there? That's exactly what happened.

During the month of June, I made another few passes by Kingsway and Clarendon, and I saw her once for sure. My plan was to call her in the first week of July. When I did, her phone wasn't accepting calls (it was out of minutes) and hasn't since been fixed. I went by her house a few days later and her landlord mowing the lawn said she actually lived there, not the friend, and that they had skipped out June 30 on the rent, left all of their belongings and split. During July, I've made many passes by Kingsway and Clarendon but she is gone, haven't seen her there again.

I suspect there are many people who read this board who also cruise that track regularly. Out of ANYONE reading this, do you recognize anything I've described about Heather? Has anyone ever met her in the last 3 months at the corner of Kingsway and Clarendon? Has anyone had a session with her? Does ANYONE know where she has gone or how to get a hold of her? Judging by how incredibly well she does her job and the fact she's not on the street anymore, Phil's contention that his SW must have developed a loyal clientele sounds like it definitely could apply in this case (I wanted to be one of those loyalists :) )

If you have any information, please reply and we'll talk. Just the fact that she's "missing-in-action" is concern enough. There are a few other distinct characteristics about her that I can divulge when we speak privately, in order to confirm that we are talking about the same SW without giving away too much of her private life (these would be things she most likely tells any of the people she's had sessions with and feels comfortable with).

If you have any information, please reply and we'll talk.

Thanks for reading,

Tom

Hargow20

07-22-03, 01:18

Un_Circumcised

Surrey Anit-prostitution law:

This sounds like another intent to solicit law??? It's a little unclear from the story......I suppose it would depend on how they intend to define solicitation. Let's hope this not another one of those intent to solicit laws.

"bylaw would also make it illegal to solicit occupants of motor vehicles on public roads, or for those occupants to seek prostitution while on public roads. "

Un_Circumcised

07-23-03, 01:30

I attended the Surrey City Council meeting last night where the proposed anti- street prostitution by-law (# 15059) was debated and explained more. From what I understand, they're considering this a motor vehicle offence because cities can't supersede the federal anti- public solicitation law. It sounded like they're going to ticket johns through their license plate numbers (like photo-radar) -- apparently meaning that no contact with a cop need occur before you receive a fine in the mail. The issue was kind of raised about how the cops could be sure a suspected john was stopping to communicate with a ho instead of a legitimate hitchhiker or pedestrian, and the answer seemed to be that the cops know who the hookers are because they've had contact with many of them. There was also talk about sending the men "caught" in this fashion to the $400 john school, and entering their names and vehicle descriptions into the vice goons' DISC database. The penalty under this by-law is $100 to $2000 (according to an article in The Now), whereas men who have been charged under the federal law have been getting off with fines of $100 according to one councilmember who attended some Crown court proceedings for busted johns--so it sounds like going to court is a better deal than the john school route for men arrested for the first time. This by-law strikes me as remarkably Orwellian and giving the cops too much power--and indeed the issue was raised as to whether it would be struck down by higher authorities as unconstitutional. The mayor and councilmembers acknowledged this, yet indicated that they are going to approve it anyway.

This is the second city council meeting on increasing prostitution penalties I've attended (the other was in Seattle last year), and I've noticed some similarities:

1) There are no hookers or johns present (or at least any with the nerve to stand up and speak).

2) The hookers are mostly portrayed as "victims" who need to be protected from scumbag, predatory, abusing johns--which all johns are.

3) There is at least one representative from a feminist, "prostitutes' advocacy" group--whose message is that the answer to all the problems surrounding street prostitution is to lighten up on the women while cracking down more on the johns.

In addition, the Surrey meeting featured some words from Linda Tylor--who seems to be the leader of the Newton neighbourhood anti-prostitution movement. She was less accomodating and compassionate toward the ho's than the rest of the speakers were, but really became vitriolic when discussing johns--even declaring that they "should be crucified!" Not surprisingly, no one in the chamber objected to this outrageous declaration.

This by-law wasn't the first item on the agenda, and in order to make sitting through an hour and a half of land use and zoning issues more palatable, I had ingested some mescaline (San Pedro cactus) tea before entering the chamber. I didn't realize how high I had become until I left the building, and thought I was almost too fuked-up to drive. I made my way up King George to the nearest McDonald's, and felt more sure about myself after some nourishment. I made a couple of passes on the lower King George stroll (below 104 Ave), and only saw a couple of lower-quality women. 104 out to Guildford was more active, and I recall at least 3 fair-quality ho's. The Whalley blocks west of King George were the most active, and there were some borderline good-quality SWs there. I saw one ho there being questioned by marked LE. There were also a couple on King George north of 108. The mescaline and all that prostitution talk made me horny--and I was considering picking someone up in Surrey--but I'm a die-hard Vancouver low-tracker, and eventually headed off for that destination. See my next post for the remainder of my night.

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Un_Circumcised

07-23-03, 04:21

after surrey (see my last post), i made one pass through 12th st in new westminster (saw a couple of possibles, but nothing convincing), then kingsway in burnaby (saw a few fair-quality ho's), then kingsway in vancouver (several good-quality). these were seen around 12:30 am. next, i arrived at the low-track around 1 am, and was surprised at the number of women out versus the number of johns cruising. it's been a long time since i've cruised this track on a late monday night, and am considering doing it more often after seeing how it was yesterday: it really was a buyer's market! i spotted a sw on gore who i've picked up a few times before and had good experiences with (native or asian mix, goes by nicky or nicole), and we went to her nearby room--where i had to pay a $15 guest fee. after some negotiation, we agreed on at least a half hour of anal sex and straight sex for about $80 canadian (i paid her in canadian and us currency). the room was incredibly hot--at least 95 degrees f (i'm not kidding), and i told her to open the window. she said it was, but there was a comforter hung over it which impeeded any real air flow. she got naked and laid down on the bed. it was at that time that she remarked about having recently had a colostomy, and i noticed the bag on her stomach (i guess they go in through the front, because there was a scar on her abdomen). i'd noticed in the past that her anus looked enormously stretched, but am now thinking it was missing all along--which probably explains why she prefers anal sex. i played with her pussy and rectal hole, but just coudn't get it up because of the heat, and was sweating so bad that it looked like i just got out of a shower. i told her that we needed to find a cooler place. she suggested we could do a car date after she bought some crack. now normally i wouldn't have agreed to this, and would have demanded some of my money back because there was no penetration. however, i've had good experiences with this girl before, so i trusted her. well, she didn't come back to my car (where we agreed to meet) after close to a half hour, so i took off--hoping to find a decent lay with the $35 canadian (in mixed currency) i had left. the great selection i saw earlier had declined, and the track was the deadest between about 3 and 4 am. then--as i've seen many times before--things started picking up again. as earlier, there were some chicks out who i rated "good": they were young, clean, and dressed in catchy outfits. i eventually found a hottie on the south side of jackson at hastings. i stopped past her, she walked up, i invited her to get in, she did, and we took off. this girl was hot! i mean, she looked like she could have just walked out of a mall or high school--flawless complexion, light skin, not sure about her ethnicity. she agreed to fuk for the $35, but we would have to do it in the car because she didn't have a place and i didn't have more money for a room. i was kind of freaked-out about that because she looked so young, and then she started getting noticeably freaked-out about me (said i seemed hyper or something). i told her i was still high from some psychedelic cactus i did in the evening, and that i was just excited by her. she told me she doesn't do drugs--on dates at least. she then indicated that maybe i should just drop her back on the track, and i could tell she was paranoid about me for some reason (i also think i didn't smell too good because of all the sweating i did earlier). i was going to try to negotiate some clothed cuddling and groping, but given both of our paranoias i just decided to take her back, and let her out on pender near jackson. i gave her $5 (she didn't ask for anything) for her time, and she left on good terms. at that point i was too tired to continue, and went home and jerked-off to sexzool.com. anyway, the low-track is looking good: the selection and quality i saw last night was one of the best i've seen in my 13 or so years of prowling it.

as always, watch out for marked and unmarked le on this track: they've been known to shake down johns in the past when they have nothing better to do. i saw them stop a couple of suspected cruisers--but for whether it was anything prostitution-related, i don't know. at one point, an unmarked unit sat on cordova between heatley and hawks for a while. i also saw the usual 3 or so trannies on their sub-track, and one or two on clark south of hastings about 5 am.

Jock

07-23-03, 20:40

Surrey Bylaw

I have heard several legal experts say it would be struck down in court if challenged, also saw something about city being liable for expenses and damages if it was.... Of course you have to find someone willing to challenge it to get it overturned... Surrey City council is pretty bad when it comes to trying to do anything it thinks it can get away with. I can't see this lasting but will no doubt be a pain for a while

Uncirc, you did not follow your own advice and it cost you 80.00...

I do it sometimes too...

oberon

Hargow20

07-24-03, 00:16

Un_Circumcised
Surrey City Council meeting on anti-prostitution by-law... Surrey sightings

This seems like one the most extreme anti-prostitution laws I have heard of. What sort of civil liberty laws does Canada have. Hopefully this law can be contitutionally challenged.

Random Guy II

07-24-03, 07:34

I was in Vancouver from Friday night until Tuesday morning. I spent hours on the strolls, but I didn't pick up very often. Sometimes I just like to window-shop. I'm weird that way.

At this time of year it doesn't get dark until around 9:00pm, which is good for me, because my eyesight isn't terribly good in the dark, and I hate letting someone into my car and then finding out that they're ugly. Again, I'm weird that way.

The low and mid tracks did seem to have quite a few ladies at various different times, although many of them are showing damage from their drug of choice. I try to find ladies who are new to the lifestyle, but it doesn't always work out that way. Over the course of the four days, I really didn't see much in the way of LE harassing SW or Johns, although I saw them having several altercations with male denizens of lower Hastings, and Saturday night they had a roadblock on Hastings on the Raymur overpass. They were only stopping eastbound cars, though.

During the day on Kingsway in Vancouver, I never saw more than 1 SW working, and none in Burnaby or New West. All of the action was in the low and mid during the day. The other tracks and tourist track tend to wake up after 8:00 or 9:00. On any given night between 9:00pm and 2:00am, I would generally see one SW in New West. I would see 1-3 in the part of Burnaby that borders New West, including one that I'm really kicking myself for not picking up. There would occasionally be one in the middle part of Burnaby. And there were often 3-10 on Kingsway, from Rupert St down to about Knight. I never saw anyone on the other parts of Kingsway.

On monday night around 10:00pm, I saw a couple of unusually sharply dressed ladies on Kingsway about 7-8 blocks east of Nanaimo. About 15 minutes later, the same ladies were a couple of blocks west of Nanaimo on Kingsway. LE sting? They looked a little too good to be out there.

This is getting long, so I'll break this up into multiple posts.

Random Guy II

07-24-03, 07:55

Part II

There was a beautiful East Indian babe out on Hastings at Vernon between 7:00 and 8:00 on Monday night. She looked like she didn't belong there. I must have passed her 8 times because I wasn't sure if she was even working. Petite, big breasts, bright red lipstick, gorgeous face. She was dressed sexily, but not "obvious" like many of the other ladies out there, and she made eye contact, but not strong eye contact, so I really wasn't sure. I'm kicking myself for not at least stopping and offering her a ride. If anyone has experience with someone matching this description, I'd like to know.

As for the ladies that I DID meet up with, well, there's one that I need to warn you guys about. The name that she gave me was Jennifer, and I picked her up one evening around 8:00pm on the mid track. She claims to be originally from Vancouver Island. White girl, long brown hair, positively huge breasts. At first, she appeared to be the best looking girl on the mid by far. When I got her in the car, I then saw that her teeth were in bad shape, but I guess that's true of a lot of the ladies out there. The drugs do take their toll, eh? I later noticed that she has recently had a baby, although she dresses to conceal that fact. Neither of these reasons are the reasons I would give for avoiding her. She has a very nice personality, and it seemed that the date was going to go well. Her prices were $40-60-80, which I thought reasonable. However, when we got to the spot, she gave very rushed service, and was not happy that I didn't finish things asap. Based on quality of service alone, I would say that if you find this woman in your car, just let her out immediately. Don't even bother to go through with things. It's your money, and there are better values out there.

Late Monday night I met up with Jess out on Kingsway around Victoria. She's a dark-skinned First Nations girl with long black hair. She's probably 5'7" to 5'9", and very thin. Pretty face. She's a nice girl, although kinda reserved, with a tough exterior. Even though she was strolling the high track, she quoted me mid track rates, which was a nice surprise. She didn't rush things, but she didn't really get into it either. But overall, I can't complain. You can certainly do alot worse than Jess.

Random Guy II

07-24-03, 08:15

Part III

Someone earlier asked about the local massage establishments, and I spent some time at one, so I'll give a report. The establishment in question is the Tokyo Spa, located in the 2700 block of W.4th St. in Vancouver.

Door price is $50 for 45 minutes, $60 for an hour, or $75 for 75 minutes. Service prices are $100 for handjob, $120 for BJ and $160 for FS or 1/2 and 1/2. Now, before anyone calls me a fool for paying those kinds of prices, let me just say that I really, really love massage, almost as much as sex, and $60 Canadian for a great massage is worth it to me. And as for $160 for 1/2 and 1/2, that's twice as much as I paid the street girls, but the service I received was more than twice as good. To each his own. I'd love to be able to find an attractive provider in Washington or Oregon that would give me a great 1 hour massage and great 1/2 and 1/2 for the US equivalent of $220 Canadian.

Anyway, first time there I saw Kiki, who is Japanese and in her early 20s. She speaks good English, and is fun to talk to. She's roughly 5'5", very thin, A-cup, very small butt, and a very cute face. 1/2 and 1/2 was very good.

Second time there I saw Judy. Judy is Chinese, and I'd say she's about 27. She doesn't speak much English, but I don't care. :) She is about 5'6", thin, great lightly muscled legs, B-cup, and a fantastic butt. The massage was excellent, and 1/2 and 1/2 was fantastic. She has excellent muscle control, if you know what I mean, and I think you do. I definitely recommend her, and I'll definitely be seeing her again if she's still around when I get back to Vancouver.

Now if I can just win the lottery.

Poncho

07-25-03, 06:12

Originally posted by hargow20
Un_Circumcised
Surrey City Council meeting on anti-prostitution by-law... Surrey sightings.

This seems like one the most extreme anti-prostitution laws I have heard of. What sort of civil liberty laws does Canada have. Hopefully this law can be contitutionally challenged. As a former Canadian and the key reason for living in the U.S. is that true civil liberties do not exist in that country! Sure they have the Charter of Rights, but the government has the power to overide it. The Supreme Court of Canada can be overturned by the Prime Minister on the federal level. It is impossible to bring real challenge to the constitution of Canada. Long story short without a giant history lesson. Canada's constitution was re-written in 1981 the foundation of the "document" was the original charter granted by the King of England in 1876 (give or take a few years) the only real updating was giving the Prime Minister more control of the country than the monarchy in England without breaking from the common wealth. Simply put the whole purpose of the constitution of Canada is to lull the Canadian people into a false sense of living within a democracy. The King (Prime Minister) can legaly put down any rebellion towards the government because Canada's constitution is the complete opposite of the United States where we the people have all the real power!

Make sense it kinda does to me, but I might be a tad stoned!

Un_Circumcised

07-26-03, 02:59

Yes, Hargow, that Surrey law does sound crazy and unconstitutional--and the city politicos and their attorneys didn't do a very good job of clarifying it the other night as far as I'm concerned. As I've said, they're going at this from a "traffic offence" angle because prostitution law is set at the federal level. My overall impression is that the mayor and councilmembers probably know this is ultimately going to be struck down by higher authorities, yet they're going ahead with it anyway so they can say to the voters: "Hey, we tried to crack down harder, but the bleeding heart courts won't let us."

By the way, Surrey anti-prostitution zealot Linda Tylor gave me an idea for my site: I'm now marking strolls where hookers have been stung with the dagger symbol--but it also resembles a cross--which reminds me of Tylor's "They should be crucified!" remark. I know she was referring to johns, but I didn't want to cause confusion by changing the john sting symbol from the current "bullet".

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Deep Throat

07-26-03, 03:38

Anyone remember "Bobbie the urban legend"? I'm posting this from Seattle but get up to Vancouver whenever I get too depresssed with the dull scene down here.

A few years ago I read about Bobbi The Urban Legend on an old web site, it actually posted her phone number and said she was not an urban legend but a real legend - a provider who honestly loved giving head. Called her and made an appointment and it was definitely as described. One of the best techniques I'd ever experienced, although she couldn't throat me all the way to the base (my personal fetish) but she got most of the way. When I'd get too close to coming she'd tongue my anus until I'd calmed down for more. Usually our sessions lasted 20-30 minutes. Saw her quite a few times but then lost the number.

I tried to find her this spring, went to her apartment and rang the bell, she told me she'd "retired". Don't know if she really did, or perhaps had forgotten me and thought I was LE or something (it had been 2 years since our last date).

Anyone got any new info?

Lickher

07-26-03, 08:21

Hello Oberon

I was the one who mentioned on another board that if the courts overturn this bylaw or declare it ultra vires then the city of Surrey may be liable for damages flowing from an invalid bylaw. This stupid bylaw has the potential to cause significant financial damage to someone beyond the initial fine and lawyers fees fighting it. What if the a john's wife intercepts the City's letter regarding this bylaw. A divorce can be a very costly matter and in this case the divorce could be directly attributed to the actions of the city. Once the bylaw has been overturned they would have no justification or defense for their actions.

Originally posted by oberon1999
Surrey Bylaw

I have heard several legal experts say it would be struck down in court if challenged, also saw something about city being liable for expenses and damages if it was.... Of course you have to find someone willing to challenge it to get it overturned... Surrey City council is pretty bad when it comes to trying to do anything it thinks it can get away with. I can't see this lasting but will no doubt be a pain for a while

Uncirc, you did not follow your own advice and it cost you 80.00...

I do it sometimes too...

oberon

Un_Circumcised

07-27-03, 05:58

poncho, my opinion is that canada is definitely the freer of the two countries--at least in practice if not on paper. sure, the u.s. likes to claim the title of freest, but look at the numbers: they incarcerate a much greater percentage of people for consensual "crimes" like drugs and prostitution than canada, europe, and australia does. one area where the us might still be freer is in terms of freedom of speech: i think high times magazine was banned in canada until the early '90s, and there may still be other magazines and books that are tolerated in the us but not canada. in addition, us shock jock tom leykis was recently booted off a vancouver station because of objectionable content despite high ratings (he's aired continuously in seattle for about 10 years). but the overall trend in the us during the last two decades has clearly been more authoritarian--especially since 9-11. as for the higher court jurists in both countries, well, i think they mostly interpret their constitutions or charters based on their own political biases--not through careful study and tortured intellectual argument. i must say it was strange and disconcerting sitting in surrey city hall and seeing photos of queen elizabeth and prince philip prominently-placed on the wall. but then again, many us political chambers begin their sessions with prayers--which i find even more repugnant.

Poncho

07-27-03, 19:28

I agree in certain area's Canada has a much better attitude than the U.S.. The United States designed it's legal system and constitution to prevent it from beeing a colony ruled by the government. Canada is still a common wealth with the Queen of England as the head of state with provisions to use the constitution to legaly keep power over the people. When Pierre Trudeau was Prime Minister he ensured he received that power. So when it comes to fighting the ban of books, magazines or stupid laws it makes challenging almost not possible.

Allthough it can be proven that Canada has more in common with Cuba as a country than the U.S. the police in Canada do know how to turn a blind eye towards alot of things that would get you into real hot water in the U.S.. When I was about 20 I was on a date with a 16 year old girl. We spent some time getting drunk on the beach. She needed to be held-up walking home going along Robson st. we passed 4 VPD's who ask where we where going. I told them and they suggested we grab a cab to get her home before she got sobber. This girl looked younger than her age and they did nothing. If this was in Seattle I would be writting this from prison! I would also preffer to be arrested in Canada than the U.S.A.

Deep Throat

07-27-03, 21:57

I don't think anyone except the staunchest Republican boob could argue that Canadian's experience more personal freedoms than us Yanks. Aside from a few censorship issues which still seem to plague my brothers to the North, the Canadian enjoys more liberties and freedoms than his Southern neighbors have in decades.

A big part of this is the fact that Canadian politics have not been purchased by the corporate interests as they have here in the states. Canadian legislators, by and large, still seem to deliberate and make decisions that (often) reflect the best interests of the populace. Down here, the decision making is a reflection of corporate lobbying and funds, and if it means negating a civil liberty found in our Constitution it just means the price tag for the sponsoring party/corporation will be a bit higher.

We are all truly fucked. I wish I could blame this on George Bush and/or the Republican Party, but they are merely the worst and most aggredious examples of this in action. The Democrats only pay lip service to the common man nowadays, and I think this is what hurts even more than the Republican's overt corruption.

Van Man

07-31-03, 21:21

In USA or Canada you can still get robbed or get the shiv by any SW. Also can still be nailed by LE in Canada that can put you in the computer which can screw up any cross border travel. There is still the rampant STD'S in Canada especially on the lower East Side of Vancouver. Think about it when you feel the impulse to pick up one of these "Ladies"

Makati Fan

08-01-03, 21:16

I'm going to be making my first trip to Vancouver in a couple of weeks and I'm looking for some guidence. I'll be staying on West Hastings around the 600 block. Are there any decent priced SW and or strip clubs within walking distance of there?

Poncho

08-01-03, 23:38

Originally posted by Van Man
In USA or Canada you can still get robbed or get the shiv by any SW. Also can still be nailed by LE in Canada that can put you in the computer which can screw up any cross border travel. There is still the rampant STD'S in Canada especially on the lower East Side of Vancouver. Think about it when you feel the impulse to pick up one of these "Ladies" Sure all those things can happen! Chances of beeing arrested in Canada are in my opinion about the same odds as winning the lotto. The key to getting out of trouble with LE is to remain respectfull without kissing ass. Cops are like bullies, the more scarred you are of them the more they want to torture you (arrest). Also, the more you act like a jerk the more they want to nail you.

Yes STD's exist but in Canada health information has a lot more religious biased that inflate stats to scare people like us to lead a more moral lifestyle. I'm not saying do not take precautions, no condom etcetra! Safe sex does reduce the risk's in my mind to nil. Lastly sure they can robb you but those odds can be reduced with street smarts, learn to play the game!

PoorGuy

08-02-03, 06:31

Well, I just encountered a SW I doubt was 18. She said she was old enough, but her attitude and body didn't fit.
Oops.

Also, for those who are parking along Powell St. and those side alleys in the dark industrial areas, you should be aware of a resident in a white T-shirt and black pants who walks along that corridor. I circled many times around low track and noticed him all the time. When I left after finishing my business, I saw him leaning over the window of a Crown Victoria consulting with the LE who had his LCD screen lit up. You might want to take your "business" elsewhere! This man had peppery hair and was quite large, around 250 lbs.

PoorGuy

08-02-03, 06:33

Wow I'm a senior member with 10 posts!

Anyways, the action during this heat spell was greatly reduced last night due to you-know-what Wednesday. Thursday 11 PM - 2 AM. Huge number of cars circling for scraps.

Poncho

08-02-03, 20:05

About three weeks ago late Sunday night driving back to friends house in Surrey, N.Delta area. Decided to travel Vancouver tourist track than home via Kingsway. Near the strip of stores before the London Guard, about a block away from the KFC saw a girl about 20 blonde sorta cute not looking like a sw in plain jeans and t-shirt, 5.5 tall. Since it was late decided to turn up the side street near where she was standing and park about 20 feet up from Kingsway. Approached and made offer BJ $60, tried negotiate $40, countered with that plus $20 tip because it will be best you ever had. O.K. with me if it's the best! Found spot paid full amount up-front, received CBJ it was awsome sucking balls and was the best ever. On return drive she asked for another $20 in tip and tried staying in car for it! Looks are plain but still about a 6, attitude o.k. almost easy going, best BJ but the tip demand attitude kinda turns you off. Also saw her next night closer to the 7-eleven and Mcdonalds on corner with older couple (parents?).

Player33

08-02-03, 20:50

I am a US citizen, and was wondering if it was worth going to Canada for a GFE experience? Has anyone gone on escort dates?

Visaman

08-03-03, 22:29

Player33, you may want to have a look at the PERB escort board. Just go to Google and type in PERB Vancouver. It is more of an escort board. I hope that helps.

Visaman

08-03-03, 22:38

Makati fan, there is the Brandi's strip club on Hornby, but it is an upscale joint, so I have never been there. In the 80's the 600 block was the the Hi-track, but now they have moved onto Kingsway or the Massage parlours. Try the Swedish Touch or Madame Cleo's.

Latin Walker

08-04-03, 09:49

Brandi's is fine if you've got lots of cash to burn. I prefer "The No 5 Orange" near Main/Hastings. The ladies are hot, the service is great, the private shows upstairs are something else that's for sure. Of course it's $50 for 10 minutes upstairs but in my opinion it's worth it if you've got the balls to go through with what some guys do up there. Haha. All the best.

Good luck, going out tonight to the low-track.. hope to catch something good.. :)

Latin Walker

08-05-03, 10:03

le's sw decoy!!!!

last night i felt like some bbw-sw, so i headed to the low-track and spotted a girl i had months ago. she is native and always wears black. probably 250 lbs, lots of black make up, very white face.. very gothic looking obviously. i picked her up at around 3 am at the corner of hastings / commercial. she waived me down and jumped in. i only felt like a bj and she rapidly agreed for a green. she's a real pro, lots of moans, and grabs your ass while she shoves your c**k deep inside her mouth.. just hot!

anyway, i dropped her off and saw behind me an unmarked le car alongside a cherry and blue topped police car. all men inside the cars were chatting, not really looking around for speeding cars or anything.. probably mostly johns though. a young looking woman turned a corner and made her way to the cars with a coffee in her hands. she wore torn fishnet stockings, a black dress, a red top, with a little black jacket over it. she had blondish hair and some make up.. certainly 100% decoy sw working the low-track. she talked with the cops for 2 minutes, engaged in what seemed to be a professional conversation and not an interogation.

i made my way off hastings and turned off to park my car in the residential areas. i got out of my car and casually walked over to the corner to peek at them. she was back on the street walking back towards town. i saw lots of johns look her way. she'd wave to all the cars getting her attention. by then, i had lost the two cars and decided to jump in mine and try to drive back to town via hastings to see more of her. i did but couldn't see her again. maybe an unlucky john tried to pick her up or something.. just be careful guys... i usually now, drive a bit before picking up anyone. just to be sure.

p.s. by the way, if you guys want a good place to find unprofessional sws, try east broadway just before main street. near the subway. drive around that little residential neighborhood and you'll see a couple of women trying to make a few bucks. mostly native women though, so it'd better be your thing. just don't pick up that bad looking tv standing at her corner. there's only one, he/she's always there.

good luck!

Un_Circumcised

08-05-03, 16:51

I'm now giving equal billing to Vancouver in the title of my site! I've changed it from Seattle-Tacoma-Everett street guide (Including Vancouver & Victoria) to Seattle - Vancouver street guide. Yeah, I know: Whoop-de-do.

Anyway, I want to agree with Poncho's response to Van Man's paranoia. I've been a street john for nearly 20 years, have never been busted, and have never had a STD to my knowledge (I was last tested for HIV last year). I've been with approximately 150 different ho's, and had intercourse (mostly vaginal, but also some anal) with all of them (using condoms 100% of the time). I'd advise everyone to take hysterical STD warnings from authority figures with a grain of salt: Most of these people are against prostitution for other reasons than the STD issue, and are clearly using the threat of venereal disease as a scare tactic. I've seen many vice goons on TV essentially say with a straight face that condoms are useless against HIV, and only valiant cops can protect society from disease-spreading ho's. What's that Nazi saying? If you tell a lie often enough, it becomes the truth.

Of course I've been blatantly ripped off several times, but that is an inevitable part of this hobby. I'm now more adept at sensing and avoiding rip-offs than I was even 10 years ago. Like Poncho said, learn to play the game (read my Police tactics & john countermeasures essay (http://www.geocities.com/un_csd/legal.html#police)). My site is a truth-seeking project dedicated to the belief that knowledge is power. Unlike the cops, politicians, social workers, feminist advocacy groups, and pondering academics--I'm not making any money off the prostitution issue, so who are you going to trust: Them or me?

Seattle - Vancouver street guide (http://www.geocities.com/un_csd/streetguide.html)

Dave

08-05-03, 18:31

I must agree very completely! Obviously, where personal and financial matters are concerned, you are taking some risks in chasing ho's. The biggest one is being charged with communicating in public for the puposes of blah blah blah. But, like everything else in life, you weigh the risks and benifits, and for me, I'll be chasing them ho's! There are far more dangerous ways to have fun. Of course, I'm also single, and don't have to worry about a wife guttin me for receiving a Dear John letter from the cops. If I was involved in a serious relationship, I would have a different set of concerns.

As to worrying about violence from a SW? Please. Thats just plain silly.

The STD concern is valid to a point. I wear a cap for anything except handjobs, and even then, I have a good look for clean hands. Everybody is entitled to do as they wish, but I would advise caution, and common sense. Common sense would also dictate that when somebody says that condoms will not protect against HIV, you should laugh in their face. This is the same BS that the bible thumpers are trying to tell kids in school. The results? More babies having babies, and more trips to the free clininc for antibiotics.
With all of these concerns, I always ask myself, "Now what would I do if I didn't have a hard on right now. Common sense and reason goes a long way kids.

Originally posted by Un_Circumcised
I'm now giving equal billing to Vancouver in the title of my site! I've changed it from Seattle-Tacoma-Everett street guide (Including Vancouver & Victoria) to Seattle - Vancouver street guide. Yeah, I know: Whoop-de-do.

Anyway, I want to agree with Poncho's response to Van Man's paranoia. I've been a street john for nearly 20 years, have never been busted, and have never had a STD to my knowledge (I was last tested for HIV last year). I've been with approximately 150 different ho's, and had intercourse (mostly vaginal, but also some anal) with all of them (using condoms 100% of the time). I'd advise everyone to take hysterical STD warnings from authority figures with a grain of salt: Most of these people are against prostitution for other reasons than the STD issue, and are clearly using the threat of venereal disease as a scare tactic. I've seen many vice goons on TV essentially say with a straight face that condoms are useless against HIV, and only valiant cops can protect society from disease-spreading ho's. What's that Nazi saying? If you tell a lie often enough, it becomes the truth.

Of course I've been blatantly ripped off several times, but that is an inevitable part of this hobby. I'm now more adept at sensing and avoiding rip-offs than I was even 10 years ago. Like Poncho said, learn to play the game (read my Police tactics & john countermeasures essay (http://www.geocities.com/un_csd/legal.html#police)). My site is a truth-seeking project dedicated to the belief that knowledge is power. Unlike the cops, politicians, social workers, feminist advocacy groups, and pondering academics--I'm not making any money off the prostitution issue, so who are you going to trust: Them or me?

Seattle - Vancouver street guide (http://www.geocities.com/un_csd/streetguide.html)

Philofun

08-06-03, 20:02

Warning! The road crews were digging up Cordova from Gore all the way up to Jackson yesterday, August fifth, and it looked like they were planning on "laying pipe" (wait, they were laying pipe, it's not a euphemism) all the way up the street. Then Cordova from Jackson to Princess was blocked off, first by an ambulance picking up another heat stroke victim and then by loading trucks. The cruising area up until one or so was reduced to the strip between Princess and Glen on the low track.

This didn't limit the number of girls out, though. In fact there were two pregnant SWs wandering about, a chubby blonde who just looked fat but I'd seen her so many times I could tell she had a bun in the oven; and a slim brunette in a slinky black dress who looked to be seven or eight months along. Not my scene, but she had a pretty face, made eye contact and smiled with beautiful pearly whites, and that always puts a gal into the elite of Hastings Street.

I picked up a more discrete jeans and jean jacket wearing young lady with girl next door looks, a brunette who said her name was Megan. Over the last few years this seems to be a popular name for low track SWs, even more so than "Tiffany." A twenty changed hands, latex was applied and I ended my lunch hour a happy man. As I lolled my head over during the cbj I could see Strathcona Park, on Venables Street, and imagined taking a girl right into the middle of the playing field and letting her do me right in the outfield grass. Hey, it was a nice sunny day, and now I'm wondering if anyone working in the area would complain? No, of course I don't have the guts to try it, but a guy can dream.

Poncho

08-08-03, 02:20

What does happen upstairs in private, Mr. Walker? A report please?

If you think about it Vagina sex, if you have no open sores, cuts etcetra. on your penis. HIV has no way into your blood stream. Hence why the majority of cases invovle intervenous drug use, share of needles and homosexual type intercourse, anal.

Brian Glazer (Starsky) of televisions, Starsky and Hutch. His wife was HIV positive from tainted blood products. The wife also passed on the disease to one of the children, became pregnant before they knew she was possitive. This couple had protected and unprotected sex for years without Starsky contracting HIV. From other studies this seems to be the norm. Homosexual couples are only slightly higher in infecting there clean partner. Most straight sex encounters seem to have another std active when they get HIV, such as a open herpes sore.

I really enjoy the guide.

Deep Throat

08-08-03, 02:52

Does anyone have new info on Bobbie (or Barbie) the Urban Legend? One of the greatest BBBJTCWS I've ever had, but don't know if she's truly retired or what. Please post if you have any info.

I'll be coming up to Vancouver next weekend for a bit of fun. Anyone found any great deep throat providers working Hastings lately?

If you encounter Deep Throat providers, please note it in your encounter description.

Thanks again!

Deep Throat - Seattle

Wanker

08-10-03, 08:30

Right around midnight on Main St at 25 ave, I noticed a tall brunette working the corner. I circled and picked her up. She wanted 2 greens for BBBJ, but really reeked of beer. I gave her a purple and said thanks, but no thanks. I had not seen SW this far up Main St before.

Latin Walker

08-11-03, 05:45

For Poncho and others requesting a little report on the upstairs activities at the No5 Orange, here goes:

Last I went there was at the beginning of the summer and they were advertising a lot of girls each and every night (good nights up to 30). A buddy and I decided to check it out more in depth, having been there before but never too long and only playing pool. As advertised, the place is jumping with 30 or so girls. Some talking with Gents at their tables, some doing rounds, some even playing pool. We both sat down close to the stage (but not too close). We ordered a $6.25 Heineken and started drinking. In no time, we had a couple of girls by our sides chatting away and asking us if we were interested in a private dance. We declined wanting to survey the available girls in the room. They were gracious and left us alone. By my third beer, I spotted a gorgeous redhead and stared at her so she would notice me from across the room. She did and she was on her way.

Her name was Heather. She had long curly red hair, had a great complexion, nice pouty lips and smelled amazing. We started chitchatting and she mentioned something about a private dance. I asked her how much. She said it depended. On what? I asked. She replied, "You can get a dance for $10 in a little booth or a even better dance upstairs for $40 + tip if you enjoy it". I was stunned. I asked her what was the difference between the two and she just said that we would have more intimacy upstairs. I agreed and got up while my buddy was chatting away with this hot blonde next to him. The stairs going up are shit; they smell and they look old and like they're about to crumble. Although, when you get upstairs, the decor is different and filled with sofas, couches and soft dimmed lighting. I followed Heather to a couch at the end of the room but not before looking at all the guys enjoying their own little piece of paradise. The first guy I glanced over at was getting a BJ from this hot piece of Asian ass. I was floored!

I sat down on the couch and Heather got naked and started grinding over my pants and my obvious bulge. She licked her lips and asked me what I wanted. I asked her what was the deal here.. She said that $40 will pay for one dance with touching (except for her bikini area). If I wanted more it would be more $$$. I said how much for more. She pointed at the guy getting the BJ and said for that, it's $50 extra. I politely declined the offer and got an extraordinary private show (I tipped her $10).

Guys, I know that roughly $90 is expensive for a BJ in Vancouver, but when it's performed by a total knockout and lounging on a velvet sofa with no LE on your ass, you gotta admit it's pretty tempting. I didn't have the cash that night to indulge in that kind of partying but next time I'll be certain to bring enough and to choose the poutiest lips on the floor.

Instead, I left and walked my buddy home (he lives nearby in Gastown), and headed back towards Hastings to pick up some head for a green. I had an amazing night.

Till next time guys,

LW

Van Man

08-12-03, 06:46

That was at the beginning of the summer. Is the action still the same in August at the NO 5 Orange?

Latin Walker

08-12-03, 09:52

happy stroll tonight, this early tuesday morning. i was driving a buddy home after a night of drinking (i had juice, hehe) and was following the speed limit on lougheed near boudary when i saw this little piece of ass walking. she didn't look likle she was really going anywhere so my sw senses woke up so to speak.

i had never seen any action on that part of town before (and probably never will again) but i slowed down and gave her the look. she looked back and smiled. i slowed the car down and she approached my passenger window. i asked her if i could give her a lift and she said sure. she hopped in and broke it to me nice and quick: she usually doesn't do this --blablablabla -- but she'll gimme a bj for a green. i told her she had to be kidding.. my oh my that could be considered prostitution.. hehe.. well anyway to make it short and sweet, she sucked me good and made me a happy man for a little green bill.

she was brunette, about 5'4"-5'5", nice figure, and pretty young (around 18-19)... nice lips and played with balls and all throughout the whole thing. 9/10 for service!!

i let her get out behind the milestones on lougheed and she walked back in the direction i picked her up at. guys, i'm not saying that stuff like that happens in that area, you just have to keep your eyes open for play at all times. it was greatly unexpected but sure a lot of fun and exciting.

good hunting,

lw

Jock

08-12-03, 19:21

Latin Walker

Good report about the Lougheed area... I spend a lot of time on the Mid and Low tracks, window shopping mostly these days and they seem to be in termoil... The police crack down against drug dealing on the low has pushed a lot of the drug activity to the MID and it is now often of lower quality than the LOW track. I have been told by one girl yesterday that there was increase police interest in girls on the MID lately in fact she had stopped working there and moved to a massage parlor for less $ due to the fact and that she was increasing scared by the heavy drug adicts now in the area .... so it does not surprise me that girls are moving out to other areas especially when you add the reported crackdown on Kingsway ....

oberon

tescoveee

08-12-03, 21:43

Hey guys. I'll be heading into Seattle and Vancouver this weekend from the East Coast. Looking for a massage parlor that has good looking white girls who give FS. Please reply here or to tescoveee@yahoo.com. Also if you could recommend a dirrty strip joint or two, I'd appreciate it :)

Tesco

Latin Walker

08-13-03, 00:11

Makes sense Oberon, I guess we will really have to look, they might be popping everywhere. :)

LE has been going strong for the past couple of weeks in the Metrotown area as well. I was strolling around 1 AM yesterday and drove up and down Kingsway and saw some heavy action LE for a Monday night. Unmarked dark blue cars, and one gray were parked near a couple of SW that were just chatting. I don't know if this was a sting but it sure looked empty all around them.

So I decided to drive a little further and still on Kingsway towards New Westminster. After a few miles, the car dealerships slowly disapear and residential areas start flowering. That's where I saw her. She was standing by a street lamp post and had on tight jeans and a dark sweater. Some cars would slow down as she'd look in the car to smile or wave. I knew I had to stop to see her from up close. She was at a corner So I passed her and turned right on the next street and went around the block. She smiled at me when she saw me slow down and turn to her.

She was chinese, a little over 30, not thin but not fat, face=7, body=7, smile=10 !!

She said her name was Julie and wanted to know if I wanted company. I didn't even plan this tonight and I told her I was just really looking around for tonight. She understood but still persisted a little. She asked me how much money I had.

****Guys! NEVER tell a SW how much money you really have. They'll jack their prices depending on the amount you're carrying. Or they could even rob you during the deed.****

I told her I only had $10 (which was actually true since I wasn't looking for play that night, just driving around and seeing what was out there on a Monday night). She said that was too bad, that if I had $10 more she would give me the best BJ I had ever gotten. Nice trick from her to try and see if I had more money or not. But I didn't. I showed her the crunched up ten dollar bill out of my pocket, I asked her if she would consider a handjob instead for it. She agreed and I looked for a parking. I was able to park in a residential back alley garage, very discrete and dark. I gave her the bill and she went to work on my fly and eventually my c**k. She had very sexy eyes and looked deep into mine while jerking me off. I was close to the edge and she felt it, she used both hands to deliver the ultimate massage (sack and all). I grabbed her by the hair and pulled her closer to my crotch trying to push my luck at this point. She let herself go down up to the point of almost touching me with her lips. I lost it then.

All in all, it was worth it for $10 and my little car excursion. She told me she stays out very late and usually in the residential area, close to the main street (Kingsway).

Until next time guys,

LW

Latin Walker

08-13-03, 00:13

Originally posted by Van Man
That was at the beginning of the summer. Is the action still the same in August at the NO 5 Orange?

Van Man, not sure about that for August. I will have to check it out for myself and as soon as I do, I'll report it back here.

LW

Jock

08-13-03, 16:13

I took a look around the low and mid last night around 7pm, saw a few good looking ones on the mid. I also saw an older blond woman about 5'6" good figure looked a bit older hair was very blond, I've seen her around before anyone tried her out???

oberon

Van Man

08-13-03, 16:21

Checked out the No 5 Orange on Aug 12 and found it to my liking. Good dancers and a good choice of Lappers ready to relieve any tension.

Makati Fan

08-13-03, 22:15

I saw a place called "The Penthouse" mentioned awhile back as possibly being a good place to hook up with a SW? Any one have any more info, prices?

I'll be in town 8/25 - 8/29 staying at Delta Vancouver Suites on W. Hastings. I won't have a car though so cruising the "tracks" is out and I can't afford the out-call escorts.

Any info or other ideas will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

deke

08-14-03, 06:10

Hey Latin Walker, good posts. I was wondering about No 5. For 40 you get a lap, for another 50 you can get a bj, it actually sounds like a good deal by comparison. I have read other reports that it is an extra 100 to get these services. Of course bj's for greens sounds even better. I ate at that Milestones last week. I should have kept my eyes open!

Visaman

08-14-03, 07:55

Originally posted by oberon1999
I took a look around the low and mid last night around 7pm, saw a few good looking ones on the mid. I also saw an older blond woman about 5'6" good figure looked a bit older hair was very blond, I've seen her around before anyone tried her out???

oberon

As oposed the the red head or the burnnete?

Jock

08-14-03, 17:52

Originally posted by visaman
As oposed the the red head or the burnnete?

Yeah Yeah I know.... actually she does stand out a bit, blonde almost white hair, usually dress in jeans but clean and OK looking but like I said older...

Just hoping someone had some info.... :-]

oberon

Un_Circumcised

08-14-03, 20:29

Interesting reports about the No. 5 Orange scene. For those who don't know, it is at 203 Main St (corner of Main & Powell, I think). I doubt I'll partake since it sounds quite pricey compared to the nearby low-track--plus I'm strictly an intercourse person, and it didn't sound like that was available at any price.

Also, I want to remind everyone to make sure you and your date wear at least your shoulder belts: I came across a story today (first item on my news page (http://www.geocities.com/un_csd/news.html)) about cops in Abbotsford stopping a vehicle because everyone wasn't buckled up. I know there is a mandatory seat belt law in BC, but I wasn't sure how often it is enforced, or if the cops could stop you just for that (they can in WA now).

Jock

08-14-03, 22:35

Originally posted by Un_Circumcised
Also, I want to remind everyone to make sure you and your date wear at least your shoulder belts: I came across a story today (first item on my news page (http://www.geocities.com/un_csd/news.html)) about cops in Abbotsford stopping a vehicle because everyone wasn't buckled up. I know there is a mandatory seat belt law in BC, but I wasn't sure how often it is enforced, or if the cops could stop you just for that (they can in WA now).

Cops don't often bother most people without seatbelts EXCEPT at road checks OR if they need an excuse. I often forget on the way to work and stuff but ALWAYS wear it will on the tracks... and yes it is perfectly legal for them to stop you if they do see you with out a seatbelt, can't remember the fine but probably at least 50.00. Never give the LE an excuse to stop you while crusing (not that some LE care)...

oberon

Van Man

08-15-03, 01:48

The Penthouse used to be the #1 place in Vancouver to window shop for a "Lady of the night". However I have heard it is a different type of club now. Haven't been there in 2 years.

Visaman

08-15-03, 03:07

It's interesting about the Penthouse. In it's hay day it was a bottle joint. Selling booze was prhibited, but you could enter the joint with a bottle and hide it with the management turning their head.

Then it became a strip joint, and interesting, the working girls worked the joint so to speak, until the cops forced them onto the streets.

I haven't been in their in a few years, but it's a rough crowd appearently.

PoorGuy

08-15-03, 09:54

Wow, lots of SW's out tonight on low track. Almost all were wearing short skirts and skimpy halters. There were two or three on every street from Gore to the E. Hastings overpass. Cruised from 12:30 AM to 1:30 AM. No LE in sight. I got lucky and gave an ex-stripper fallen on the rock a lift. Got the best CBJ of my life. Slow-fast-slow-fast, playing billiards, etc. Her name is Rhonda, a blonde 5'4" with nice 34C. However, you can see the wear and tear on the rest of her body, so I just opted for a CBJ.

Latin Walker

08-16-03, 23:28

Funny thing about the Penthouse, it's not such a dump anymore. The caliber of dancers has increased incredibly and the whole interior was remodeled last spring. It looks awesome compared to what it was before.

I used to work for a well known "bar company" on Granville Street and was a regular of the Penthouse (I would pop in before or after shifts). I even got to be a guest judge on their Monday Night Amateur Contest, it was crazy. I got my first Vancouver SW in that strip joint as well. Got a lousy CBJ for $300 from a blonde bombshell Cameron Diaz look a like. Ohh well, I quickly learned about the game in Vancity and looked for better bargains on the different tracks after that.

The Penthouse is open about their SW's walking around and chatting away with their johns. Some good selection on some good nights, but still very pricey compared to the low or mid-track. You're looking at, at least: $100 for a CBJ, $50 extra to take some clothes off and an extra $50-$100 for FS. Much more of a tourist track than anything else..
I just like the atmosphere of the place, the conversations with the girls, the strippers, the booze and the johns.. everything is done in a friendly manner and doesn't live up to its previous reputation as a "hard" or "heavy" club to go into..

I rather the Orange though for their better looking buffet.. hehehe!

Take care guys,

LW

Tom Thompson

08-17-03, 18:17

CRUISING KINGSWAY

Thursday night, Aug 15, went cruising between 11pm & 2am, up and down Kingsway a few times between New West and King Edward in Vancouver, which lately seems to be where that track ends. Average number of SW's out, more older than younger, which isn't my thing. Dawn and her friends were in front of the Wendy's in Burnaby. Usual quality around the 7-11 at Joyce. Checked out the Hastings strip, but I've never picked up on the low-track before, so I left it at that. Even checked out the Franklin/Woodland area for the first time, but didn't see much.

Around 1am I settled on a girl named Crystal I had seen walking when I started cruising at 11pm, in Burnaby at Kingsway & Royal Oak, in front of the 7-11. She was carrying two sacks on her back, like she had nowhere to go. She had no shoes on, walking back and forth in front of the 7-11. Two greens for the BJ in an underground car garage. Everything was great, even put the dome on with her mouth which I personally love. The only thing was that she had what I call man-hands, a few SW's have these. Hands that look like my buddy's, and he fits heating ducts. Dirty, small cuts, stuff under the nails. I managed to keep her hands away from down there for the majority of the time, but suffice it to say I had a really good wash when I got home.

Early this morning, Aug 17, went cruising between 6am & 8am. I had never cruised this early and wanted to see if there were some hidden gems available. I've heard some good stories from the 4am-6am cruisers, but there wasn't anything this late in the hunt. Approached a couple young white girls with all of their teeth missing, just past King Edward going east on Kingsway. Futher on, saw a blond around 28 yrs old, remnants of two black eyes, so I moved on again. That was it until New West, which only had a homely 40+ platinum blond SW to offer. Didn't end up grabbing anything this morning.

Anyone know a young, clean BJ provider available through a cell phone, preferably decent looking without the man-hands? I gotta see a somewhat attractive face 'doin the deed' to get off. It's so hard for me to enjoy a BJ unless the girl looks & smells clean, and has at least a 7 face, which is why I cruise around in circles instead of just grabbing whats available at that moment.

Fatman

08-17-03, 18:43

hi guys, this is fatman15 from perb. anyways, to makati fan you are in luck, your hotel is close to decent action. asian kitty and angelina (asian) and kiana (asian) are all within walking distance of your hotel (about 3 or 4 blocks away). i don't know if you are an asian fan, so i will put up the info if you request.

when you get to vancouver in your hotel lobby you can pick up two free newspapers (the georgia straight and the westender). both will have ads for the ladies. as well www.perb.ca is a good source of info if you are looking for a specific type of gal.

i have given up on the tracks, since i find that there is not very much quality or quantity. you really have to put time into the hunt to find a gem. sometimes i might pick up a hitchiker off the main tracks, but that is few and far between. forget about the downtown high track since the usual conversation starts with a low ball offer, but everything is extra until you are spending big bucks for not very much action in a flea bag hotel.

as for the strip clubs, i am not a big peeler man, but when i go i have always been a "cecil" man. the cecil is also within walking distance (but i would take a cab). the review on the no. 5 has piqued my interest. i might go there to see the asian private dancer for a quick dance and more. with the no. 5 i would recommend taking a cab in and out since it is a neighbourhood plaqued by drugs. but that is relative since the crime is more property oriented than violence oriented.

Poncho

08-17-03, 19:25

The Police in Canada need a lot less "cause" to pull you over, than they do in the United States. In many places driving a registered vehicle on a public street is enough.

The Penthouse and Flamingo (closed I think) in Surrey where my favorite dive hangout's. Both places where visited daily you clued in real fast that getting some from gals inside was way to expensive. Seldom have I heard about or received full service from a stripper. If they do it than the cost is in the high class escort range and not worth it. Considering you can find girls that are one step from going tourist track on the mid. If you know how to "talk" you can usely get prices just a little above low track. I would forget about the indoor service providers in Vancouver better deals out on the street.

Seems alot of us did the high track for our first time picking up a date. Mine I was 16 and it was something I wanted as far back as I can remember. From the moment I knew what they where doing out there I wanted one. The girl made it seem like I was going to get what I want for about $160. Got to the hotel on Hasting's and everything went up includeing her taking off her cloathes. FS was around $300, thank god I found the scene around W.4th. area a week latter.

Latin Walker

08-18-03, 07:47

Hey guys, it's the Walker again with a little report.

I was on my way back home from the airport tonight and was driving on Marine Drive when I saw a couple of obvious SW standing by the Hotel/Casino (I forget the name, about 5 minutes from the airport).
One was smoking hot, wearing white long boots with a white coat and had black hair. From far she looked like a 10. I turned right on the corner and stopped nearby the gas station, I walked towards the Hotel. She didn't see me at first as I was walking not looking directly at her. I swerved off my path and went on to meet her. She was a 8 from close but still a looker. I said hello and she right away ask me if I wanted any company. I said that it depended on what kind... hehe! She asked if i had a car and I said yes. We walked back to my car hand in hand. She was very sweet and told me her name was Mary and that she was 22. I jumped in my car first and then opened her door. She told me she gave the best BJs (like everyone else). That sounded good, and she asked for two greens. I was taken back a bit since I usually had the same service on the mid-low tracks for one green. I still accepted and I drove off to park in a secluded parking area nearby. She had a wet and very inviting mouth. She finished me without cover but didn't swallow (she open the car door and spat out my cum). I was very happy with the kind of service she provided. She told me that she usually stood by the casino from Thursday to Sunday and picked up the "winners" wanting to spend their earnings.. Good plan in deed! I dropped her off and went home happy.

I'm happy to see so many new places where action can be found in this city.. Every corner can hide new and exciting things for all of us. Happy hunting guys!

LW

Makati Fan

08-18-03, 14:25

Hey Fatman,

Thanks for all the info. Yes I am a big fan of Asian girls. I spent 3 weeks last March in Manila, that expierence just about ruined me for white american girls. If any one wants a true GFE, go to the Philippines, $20 USD will get you a beauty who won't leave your side until you tell her to leave the next day. But anyway, this isn't the Manila section, and when in Canada I'll just have to deal with the price's and short times that the market demands.

Again, thank you very much for the info.

Un_Circumcised

08-19-03, 00:22

Latin Walker, you mean that stretch of Marine between Oak and Granville? There used to be a strip club in there that I occasionally stopped at because I was too high to drive (I used to eat marijuana right before I crossed the border). I think it was part of a hotel and pub complex.

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Latin Walker

08-19-03, 04:57

Originally posted by Un_Circumcised
Latin Walker, you mean that stretch of Marine between Oak and Granville?

Hey Un_Circumcised, yes that part of Marine. It gets pretty hot during those week-end nights.. :)

Later,

LW

deke

08-19-03, 06:07

I think LW is talking about the Quality Inn at Fraser & Marine Drive with the Casino.

Latin Walker

08-19-03, 21:47

Originally posted by deke
I think LW is talking about the Quality Inn at Fraser & Marine Drive with the Casino.

Getting all confusing again.. hehe.. well anyway, I'm coming up with a complete report on the Vancouver scene with pictures so we can all see what we're talking about. I'm off tonight to take pictures.. c ya later guys,

LW

Fatman

08-19-03, 22:49

Hi Makati

You are in luck. The hotel that you are staying at is in the same complex as "Asian Kitty". And there is also a massage parlour that you could try out a block away. They have gone to all inclusive pricing so you won't get reamed in the wallet. I haven't seen her in about a year but her pad used to be there and she still advertises. She is a little hard to get ahold of, but she is really contienious of providing a good experience. She is also a bit of a bigger gal (not overly so). I just want to warn you in case you were looking for a spinner type of waif woman.

NYSmartman

08-19-03, 23:17

Hi there,

Been missing from this board a long time, just found my way back. For some members here would recognize my handle from another P board, just like I see many familiar handles here as well.

Anyway, traced back to the end of last year or early this year's SW report, there was a girl named Krista. Some dude did her in the sauna room on Hastings. Does anyone know her whereabouts?

Latin Walker

08-21-03, 07:22

Originally posted by NYSmartman
Anyway, traced back to the end of last year or early this year's SW report, there was a girl named Krista. Some dude did her in the sauna room on Hastings. Does anyone know her whereabouts?

Woah! I feel like a new-b; a sauna on Hastings? Please more info.. thank you.

LW

Visaman

08-21-03, 09:35

Ha! Ha!

The Sauna has been at the same location since 1926, so it's not exactly new.

There is one large area for men only and several small private saunas for anyone. They Charge $12 and hour.

It's near the corner of Hastings and Hawks. It was used mainly by the lumberjacks who worked on "Skid Road"

Now the gays use the men only section, but as they are getting older(and not too bolder) not too many of them use it anymore and it's mainly hookers and their clients who use the private saunas, although some families use the facilities it is claimed.

The facilities are rough and very worn, but the owneres will spruce it up every 20 years or so, if it needs it or not. :- )

I hope that helped you.

Lickher

08-21-03, 19:11

Sauna is on the south side of Hastings between Hawkes and Heatley. I've used the private saunas for daytime dates on a number of occasions. Much more discrete than the car and I find it cleaner and more pleasant than the fleabag hotels in the area. Plus if you work up a sweat, this way you can have a shower before returning to work, home, etc.

Wanker

08-28-03, 04:35

Had an early morning cruise around 5 am. Not a lot of girls out so I packed it in and went to the 7-11 just east of the midtrack. Cindy was using the phone. She is a very tiny Vietnamese girl. Very accommodating. She let me have bbbj with facial. All in all, a great start to the day.

Fatman

08-29-03, 01:06

Hi Wanker

Yes Cindy can sometimes be a good find. Was she wearing the white pants, black top, and too much makeup? She kept on trying to take me behind that bakery near the post office, I perfer to go somewhere more private. I would like to meet her at the sauna on Hastings one day so I could make sure she was a little bit cleaner first. Anyways, FYI there was a cute chick standing by the Church between Victoria and Commercial. I didn't make it around fast enough, but if you like the spinner type there is a white one there for you.

Tom Thompson

08-29-03, 10:19

Extremely dead last night between 1am-230am. Hastings at Commercial area had nothing. Drove Kingsway from Main east. Nothing until Slocan area, 2 young'ins in knee-highs. Nothing more until Burnaby near the Super Save Gas. Picked up a lady named Crystal who quoted two greens but I talked her down to a green and a blue. Used my secret underground parkade (perfect spot), great service, took her time. Good deal for what I paid. Dropped her off and checked out New West but there wasn't a single one out. Boy, it's sure dead out these days.

Chikan

08-30-03, 15:44

I've had that Cindy chick before. Saves me flying to the "nam". lol. Haven't seen her out for a while, she still hanging around on Hastings - up from Commercial heading east? When is she usually out?
Cheers all!

Burnaby Boy

09-01-03, 08:34

This is a question for Latin Walker. You mentioned a Chinese streetwalker in Burnaby. I frequent Kingsway in Burnaby and I haven't seen any Chinese sw. Could you tell me where abouts in Burnaby you saw her?

Philofun

09-01-03, 17:23

Early morning degenerated fast! Aaargh! Hit the tracks about four am and there were some fairly attractive young ladies about... a couple of whom were certainly under twenty years old. Now I like to window shop, and in my experience the quality usually improves a bit as morning draws near, so I circled for quite a while. This turned out to not have been a good choice this particular morning. There was a particular cutie on the south side of Hastings street, on the corner of the street (Salisbury?) between Commercial and Victoria. I got close enough for her to tap on the passenger side window and ask if I was looking for company. Dear lawdy I wish I'd taken her up right then and there. But I had to cruise around, didn't I? The actual low track had one or two possibles... a blonde kept signalling me, holding up ten fingers. Really? Well, she kept walking around and I finally saw her under a streetlight and she was easily 40+. There was construction of some enormous kind blocking off all of Cordova and Raymur, so the trannies were out and up along the low track. I was looking at an attractive one when a guy walked up and asked "her" something... she easily dwarfed him, I shuddered and moved on. LE was out and obviously looking for someone... they did catch someone, on Hastings between Heatley and Princess. A guy in a black t-shirt, surrounded by two cop cars and the paddy wagon, presumably his girlfriend was standing on the sidewalk bawling her eyes out as the cops were handcuffing him. She was decent looking, but I decided not to pull in between the cop cars to ask her if she needed a ride. Still, this should have been a good sign. With LE pinned down there, I pulled around and picked up the first SW I saw... corner of Hawks and Cordova... big mistake. She hadn't looked all that bad on earlier passes, maybe late 30s hippie chick look, cleavage showing... well there was a reason she had her hair falling over her face. I offered a green, she replied cbj but when she pulled her hair back she looked closer to 50 than to 40. She told me she normally charges 60 and she'd show me why she was worth it. Hey, if she had been worth it I would have been happy. I've picked up the Old Pro before, the regular redhead on the lowtrack you've all seen. She said she was 56 but she really knew how to hoover. Not this one. She said her name was "Dee." She said she was willing to continue until I popped, but I could tell that that would not be happening. When she took off her jacket she clearly hadn't been using any deodorant. I finally convinced her to let go of my dick and I dropped her off. I couldn't go back to the track after that, I just rolled down the windows and let the odors of the docks, the chicken processors and the horse manure of Hastings Downs clear my car of the old hooker odor. $60? Man, I wouldn't have given her three greens to appear in a snuff film. I think I would have given her a single green anyway, just to get out of my car. Well, the sun's up now, maybe I'll have better luck when I can see who I'm picking up.

Wanker

09-02-03, 01:07

Fawk Me Philofun! Sorry about your poor experience, but I laughed my ass off at your report. Noticed only the skanks out lately and lots of LE. Hopefully, September will improve.

Latin Walker

09-03-03, 21:11

OHH MY GOD!!!
Bad experiences you say? I went out yesterday during the day at around 1 PM to check out some of the sights on the low & middle tracks. I was amazed of the amount of LE. They're everywhere and driving very slow. I got stuck behind a cop car going 2 miles an hour on backstreets checking out SW. It was weird.
I was out there to film and take pictures of the different streets for my big report but had to call it quits quickly.

Let's hope LE relaxes a little..

Ciao for now,

LW

Enjoy356

09-14-03, 00:06

I am new to Vancouver and am interested in meeting Asian/Chinese escorts etc. I have not seen too many listings in the typical pages. Where do the Asian girls hang out? Anyone have information or advice on the subject?

JimmyDR

09-19-03, 20:55

I remember when I was there in the early 90's there were alot of 18-19 year olds out during the afternoon hours. It was by a stripclub around the corner from a large hotel. Those were the days.

Red Cork

09-20-03, 06:54

When in Vancouver , forget the streetwalker scene , most are junkies , and seriously infected with multiple desease. Check out the local newspaper "province -buy and sell -westender" . There are literally hundreds of well priced to overpriced , every shape , colour , size ., or kink that you are into. It is easier than buying a pizza. Or if you would like more info search for "perb" pacific escort review board. When there do your homework and do search on specific girls or service you are into.

Wanker

09-23-03, 01:31

This afternoon was pretty good shopping on the mid. A great sunny day and the prettier girls come out. Commercial and Franklin (NW corner) had a hot blonde in green bustier. A block east had a pretty native and another brunette. Took a lap around the block and all 3 gone. WTF? Gotta make up your mind quick these days.

Morty888

09-25-03, 03:36

Hi folks

How the heck do I find Cindy, the Vietnamese chick, is she the one who hangs out at 7-11 on East Hastings near that Penny Chinese Food restaurant ?

Thanks in Advance

Mort

Bra Tee

09-26-03, 09:32

Just a question,

I was getting gas at the Chevron on Powell St and thought I saw a super hot blonde (6 inch heels, micro mini skirt etc) I was about to leave and she asks if I want to have some fun in the back of her van, sez she has a bed. Anyways I didnt take her up on the offer and decided to go home. Now it seems that this person is actually a trannie? Is this true? Anyone know this for sure, because I was either really drunk or she is fucking a hottie! Someone let me know.

Any any hot spots right now for picking up SW's? Let me know!

Un_Circumcised

09-28-03, 03:11

I was at that gas station the week before last, and a tranny bummed a quarter off me for the phones. That area is populated mostly by transvestites, so that's probably what you saw. Some of them appear quite feminine, so look for the Adam's apple, unusually broad shoulders, and weird voice.

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Fatman

09-29-03, 04:10

Morty888, one thing you should consider about Cindy is that she is a dirty girl (both ways). I will see her for a budget Asian session every so often, but I will only do bukkake with her since she will do almost anything and I am scared to do fs with her. I like to ask what her limits are and they seem to be if you are doing bbfs, you have to pull out or CIA. You can find her anywhere from the Money mart on Nanimo to Victoria. Some people say she is out during the day, but I find her during the night. On the bright side, she has switched from the black lipstick to more conventional red. Always make sure you negotiate with her and be quite specific since she always tries to bump up the price.

SeattleGym

09-30-03, 20:00

Hey Red Cork,

You have any providers you would recommend, and what is $$.

Thanks, Jim

Tom Thompson

10-01-03, 22:59

Jim, try www.perb.ca

Colnago

10-02-03, 03:11

I am debating on going up to Vancouver this weeked? I was in town this summer on a Tuesday and it was pretty slow. Has the action been good enough on the weekens to justify a 3 hour drive and a hotel room?

Ron

10-04-03, 18:42

I saw an asian sw near china town. She says her name is Courtney. Does anyone know if that is also Cindy? Perhaps she goes with 2 different names? Or if it is 2 different girls?

Regal

10-07-03, 20:23

Colnago, Vancouver is always an interesting place. If the street is really bad or empty you can grab a Georgia Strait and find some low prices by phone or go to one of the various bars ie: No5, Cecil, Drake or various others in the burbs. Last week I ran into a lady Melissa in all places Sapperton on her way to 'work'. We tied up for a number of hours in a Motel in Burnaby. The Motel was a little pricy and it was irritating because she wanted to score blow. Anyway had some fun for total $ including room once it was all done. She would have done anything 'anything' to get money to score - The druggies are a risk but I am always careful.

Fatman

10-07-03, 21:38

Ron,

I think you were looking at two different woman. Cindy works the Eastern side of Hastings (between Naniamo and Victoria) because it is closer to where she lives. You cannot mistake Cindy because true to her other reviews she is quite small (about 4' 10'', 90 lbs give or take). When she first started on the track in 1990 she was about 15, but now she is legal.

About the SW that you saw in Chinatown, was she near the School? I heard that another member picked up a SW right by the church for $20. I try to avoid that part of town since it is residential and that there is too many drug addicts for my liking.

Colnago

10-10-03, 01:20

Spent last weekend in Vancouver and had some fun searching for gems. It seems like some of the low track girls have mingled in with the mid track near Franklin. I first experianced what this great city had to offer in the mid 90's, and it has changed some since then. I was looking for a Greek experience and found an accomodating 30ish (about a 7) gal who even supplied the place. She sucked and liked like she loved cock and even moaned and faked like she was cuming when we were doing the deed. One thing she did do that was irretating was keep reminding me that she accepts tips. I told her I only tip cute waitress' and my barber. Has the amount of cute little 20ish mid track girls dwindled or was it just an off day?

Ham Sap Lo

10-12-03, 08:07

Boy, am I glad I read this board before heading to Vancouver. Followed the advice of some on here about the low track on E. Hastings. Cruised by car on Tuesday night at around 11 pm or so. Most of the SWs weren't on Hastings itself (although there were a few), but the streets north and south, parallel to it (Cordova and Pender I think).

The girls don't ask for that much money. Picked up "Debbie" first. The trick is to make it look like you're thinking about it or just shopping around (as I was). Some of them really want the business. We settled on a BBBJ and a lay for $40. BJ was average but she gave a nice effort. Unfortunately when it came time to stick it in her she didn't have a condom and I wasn't about to go in unprotected. I just let her go since I wanted to try some of the other flavors if you know what I mean.

I later found this hot, younger, native-looking girl while cruising on Cordova between Hawks and Campbell. Nice darker area. She was seriously strung out on something, but that turned out to be a plus (I'll explain later). She wanted $30 for a BBBJ and a lay. Found a spot to park. Name was "Lenora" or "Minara" or something (couldn't hear her very well). Christ, this girl was fucking amazing. I've been with 30+ SWs and no one has fucked me like this. She gave me the sloppiest, wettest BBBJ I've ever had. It was like being in heaven. Total deepthroating action. Feeling her lips on the bottom of my shaft and the back of her throat on my tip made me want to blow it all (and she would have let me if I wanted to), but I wanted to see how good a lay she was. She blew me for what must have been a good 15 minutes. Since she was all strung out she lost all track of time. I could have sat there for an hour, but I didn't feel I could last much longer. Threw on the condom and fucked the shit out of her. She was amazing at that too. Most girls just sit there but she was grinding in a great rhythm with me. Plus we were making out like a horny high school couple. Best $30 I've spent hands down.

Anyone know this girl or where I can find her again if I need to? This could become a habit :)

A bunch of parting questions for the board:

1) Why the hell is there so much LE? It was Tuesday and there was TONS all over the midtrack and lowtrack (paddy wagon + bicycle cops). In fact one was parked 2 blocks away while we were screwing but didn't pull me over when I left. My heart jumped but he didn't stop me (WA plates maybe?)

2) From reading a lot of the reports it sounds like there's some daytime action too. When I went back at 9:30-10 am there was nothing to be found. What gives?

Un_Circumcised

10-13-03, 07:51

There has been a big push to "clean up" the Downtown Eastside (which includes the low-track and possibly mid-track strolls) since April of this year. I initially thought this campaign was mostly directed at the drug trade, but I've seen some articles in the last couple of months that indicate the cops have been targeting prostitution more as well: There was one in August saying that ho's are showing up in the West End part of downtown--an area they were driven out of approximately 20 years ago. And I posted an article last week on my news page (http://www.geocities.com/un_csd/news.html) about cops busting more ho's in the Downtown Eastside than they have in perhaps decades. This could explain you seeing action on Pender St--which is a residential street that I haven't seen many SWs on since I began cruising the area around 1990. As for the cops giving johns with WA plates a break, I wouldn't count on it--in fact, I became convinced a few years ago that they were actually targeting us more after I was stopped and thoroughly harassed a couple of times just for cruising, and other U.S. johns reported similar experiences around the same time. The emphasis on johns may have subsided somewhat with the Pickton arrest, but given the current crackdown, I'd keep a sharp eye on your surroundings at all times. The latest thing I heard is that Vancouver is now sporting U.S. flags on their police cars (presumably only the marked ones) -- an astonishing development in my opinion, and another indication that the climate of relative tolerance of consensual "crimes" up there may be waning.

Jock

10-14-03, 17:15

un-circ

I have not heard too much about excessive prostitution enforcement, but I have not been out much lately... I know one girls i talked to said they were getting hasseled more but that was "looking for drugs"... I talked to a regular I see the other day and she said she had not been hasseled.

Now there certainly are more LE around and no girl like working under LE's nose so that might be part of it...

I have not heard of anymore stings ....

have fun

oberon

Un_Circumcised

10-15-03, 06:59

Oberon, what's your reaction to the news that the VPD is sporting U.S. flags on their cars now? I'm still amazed and scratching my head about that. I'm guessing the idea was sold as a display of solidarity in the war on terrorism, but I'd be surprised if admiration for the American police state and its draconian crusade against drugs & prostitution wasn't part of the thinking as well. As I've said, it strikes me as another sign (along with the rise of the troglodytic Paul Martin and the questionable recriminalization of marijuana by an Ontario court) that the political winds are shifting the wrong way--at least from the perspective of those of us who want an end to the persecution of hookers, johns, and drug users. It seems that the incessant strong-arming of Canadian authorities by the neo-fascist Bush administration is paying off. Can you imagine cops in the U.S. displaying Canadian flags on their cars? I certainly can't.

Jock

10-15-03, 23:29

You know I have not looked that close at and VPD cars, I will next one I see .... As a rule Canadians have no love for the US Government, now that does not mean US citizens just your government is well, you know pushy and have cost us a lot of $$ recently... Not to mention the meddling in our internal affairs ... They might hae some sort of flag as a Sept 11 memorial ???

The Cdn Govenment sees to be moving to a decriminalization of small amounts od pot but we will see ...

The Ontario ruling will probably have little day to day effect ...

oberon

Bra Tee

10-17-03, 03:06

I was out cruising the low & mid tracks around 5pm on this rainy, very crappy day. A few lookers but I happened to stumble across "Tracy" by the Astoria hotel. She is a bit heavier, but agreed to a green & blue for CBJ! She got into the car and immediately took my hand and let me feel her moist pussy! Spread her legs on my dashboard as we drove away. We parked on some side street where she proceeded to give me the best BBBJ, she took the intiative...I was expecting CBJ, but even better. She took me deep into her throat and I was about to expose when she says" So you want to fuck?" I said sure, and climber over to her seat where we banged and fucked each other real hard, all this unprotected. DFK included! After I finisked fucking her I took her back to the Astoria where she disappeared. This was an exciting experience with a sexy SW!

Anyone seen Tracy before or know how I can contact her for the future? Truly AMAZING!

Bacon Dog

10-19-03, 09:25

Bra Tee,

You are insane. Don't have unprotected sex with a street walker or service provider. I have seen your name on this board and others... and you sound like a newbie to the scene. Take my advice and don't do unprotected stuff. Unprotected oral is probably safe from most permanent diseases (I've done it for 6 years now), but I never do unprotected intercourse nor DFK. I've never had a venerial disease and I've tested negative for HIV. Don't give yourself herpes or AIDS. Don't be a fool, the stats are that roughly 50-60% of the street walkers are HIV+.

Regal

10-19-03, 20:02

Cruised the Kingsway strip last night. Saw a lady named Deara at 11th Ave Burnaby. Early 20's has stretch marks full menu except kissing/DATY/Greek and I'm sure that was negotiable. She was much better IMHO than the usual collection along that Edmonds to 12th Ave strip. Some observations on the track. girls are appearing in unexpected places. Saw 2 at different times at Inman across from Central Park. Both looked pretty good but someone got to them b4 me. I tend to size them up too long. The Nelson to Gilley strip has dried up. Last night at the bank parking lot at Walker it got too crowded with the activity for my liking. Late night you will sometimes see some on streets back of MacDonald's by Middlegate. Kingsway often has the unexpected along the Bby-NW stroll. Kingsway must be one of the longest strolls in NA.

Colnago

10-20-03, 00:45

Bra Tee,

You might want to rethink the unprotected sex behavior. There are some pretty nasty things out there that can kill you and no SW is worth that risk.

GettingTang

10-20-03, 09:31

Hello to all!

I have a new program for showing detailed road maps of the greater Vancouver area. So I'm wondering if some of you more knowledgeable mongers from the Vancouver area could list the top 5-10 streets or so. I hear a lot on this thread about Hastings, lower and mid tracks. what are the specific street names, so I might put myself together some sort of route.

Also, what are some recommended hotels within 10-15 miles of these areas. I'm not looking for a shit hole, but something like a super 8 are equivalent would do fine. Thanks in advance!

GETTINGTANG~!

GettingTang

10-20-03, 09:43

An interesting article i found on Hastings:

p. B4.

Prostitute policy upsets citizens
Neighbors say a new policy makes it hard to prevent prostitution
Vancouver police have given prostitutes "cart blanche" to ply their trade anywhere in the city with the decision not to arrest them, says Councillor Gordon Price.

And residents and businesses in the East Hastings area worry the new police policy will hamper their efforts to prevent prostitutes from working there.

The comments from the East Hastings residents and Price, a long-time opponent of legalizing prostitution, come after police said they are no longer charging prostitutes unless there are unusual circumstances.

Police say the policy recognizes that sex trade workers are actually victims and police resources are better spent pursuing johns and pimps.

while Mayor Philip Owen has said he supports the policy, Price disagreed that prostitutes are victims. He said he's skeptical the plan to arrest only pimps and customers will work.

"It's open season for prostitutes to go where they wish," said Price. "While the victim argument is appealing, the moment you say they have no choice you take away some of their humanity and rights.... But prostitutes are not powerless. They moved into a residential are on a 24 hour basis. They had choice."

Some East Hastings residents and businesses have recently begun holding meetings to deal with prostitution.

"Police have basically let this area become a red light district," said Cindy Piper of the Hastings East Neighborhood group. "That's a jam-out [not to charge]. They're just going to let it get worse."

Howard Orbrand, general manager of Beatty Floors at Pandora and Victoria, said police have pushed prostitutes into the area. "We've had to put iron bars on our windows. I find condoms and syringes every day and the police response is for us to put garbage receptacles out. Police deciding not to deal with the problem is a problem."

But Leonard Cler-Cunningham, of Prostitution Alternatives Counselling and Education praised the new policy. "It's finally recognizing 30 years of research that prostitution needs a social response and not a criminal one."

Joanne Russell, a former sex trade worker who now counsels prostitutes, believes police are finally taking the right approach.

"It's time police and society see them as victims because they truly are victims. No woman goes into prostitution because she wants to. There are other factors, child abuse, abandonment, poverty, oppression."

Regal

10-20-03, 17:21

GT, what you are looking for is available. Links are banned on here so you have to go hunting. WSG provides a link to a west coast site by clicking on this page upper left ************* and going to interesting links then Seattle/Vancouver. You can also scan the reports here and piece the bits together. Have fun!

Bun Stuffer

10-20-03, 22:30

GT,

Phillip Owen ain't been Mayor for over a year. Nobody asks his opinions on anything.

Double-check the date on your article. There seems to be plenty of LE activity going on right now. Would be god to know if this is just a mis-perception.

BTW, Gordon Price is famous (used advisedly as this is ONLY Vancouver & environs) as being a lowbrow downscale, mispronounced nasty (na-tsi, get it?). He can be relied upon to ***** and moan about anything that makes Vancouver more livable.

Bunners

Un_Circumcised

10-21-03, 09:08

What's the publication and date of that article, GettingTang? It sounds like it was written at least three years ago. From everything I've read recently, the cops have clearly abandoned the ho's are victims, leave them alone policy they briefly embraced for a couple of years, and are now pursuing SWs across the city in an American-style zero-tolerance fashion. Also, I'm surprised you forgot about my Vancouver-area stroll guide (http://www.geocities.com/un_csd/streetguide.html#Vancouver)--which is map-friendly -- meaning that I've already deciphered where the McDonald's, Safeway's, etc are that some johns insist on marking strolls with, so you don't have to.

I agree with those who warn about unprotected intercourse. It's true that the female is more at risk than the male, but the last I heard HIV is still a permanent, nasty infection that shortens your life. Even more contagious are the hepatitis viruses (A, B, and C) -- which weaken or destroy the liver: True, the one most likely transmitted during vaginal sex is B--which there is a three-series vaccine for (I've had it) -- but there is no protection against C except for avoiding contact with the virus. I've had some form of intercourse with every (approximately 150) ho I've picked up, and have never had a STD to my knowledge. I credit that record with 100% condom use and my hepatitis B and A vaccinations.

Regal, thanks for the Burnaby update.

Fatman

10-24-03, 02:45

GettingTang, there are two hotels that you might find interesting near the tracks. The first is the Biltmore Hotel, (http://www.vancouver.hotelreservationandinformation.com/biltmore-hotel.phtml#top) which is near Kingsway and Broadway and is 5 minutes away from all the tracks. The prices are quite low and it has a reputation as being a clean hotel. Two blocks away from the Biltmore is the Comfort Inn (200 Kingsway) which is a new hotel (built in the last few years). You may also try the Ramada on Broadway which is also nearby and has a good blues bar on the ground floor.

Bra Tee, as for yourself you are taking some really big risks. I shouldn't cast stones since I have done the bbfs a few times myself. However in my defence I have done the deed with sp's that have have plans for their life after this business. I also did pay the costs, I avoided hiv and Hep C, but I did catch a dose that required antibiotics. I took it to be sign to modifiy my behavior. A word of advice, people down there will give hiv to people that they don't like. The will tell you they are clean when they are not. If you come across a SW with a problem with men, then you could find yourself in a place that you don't want to be.

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Zipper Fran

10-28-03, 22:58

Anyone seen a girl named Doreen lately? She usually works along Clarke Dr about two blocks north of Venables. Full blondish/brown hair, in her mid thirties and stands about 5ft 5in 110lbs (bit of a town boy look and looks mid twenties). Last time I saw her was over a month ago. Now I don't get out much and just want to make sure she is Ok. When I last saw her she was down on her luck and had gotten a room somewhere close to the Drake Hotel. If you've seen her lately or know her please respond and tell her to stay safe.

Van Man

11-02-03, 05:22

Avoid the downtown Eastside from now on as there are reports of robberies from junkie hookers using syringes as weapons. You have to be totally desperate to go down there.

Latin Walker

11-02-03, 21:45

Hey guys..
I've been busy way too long but I'm back on the streets and encountered last night a hot SW on Commercial and Broadway. She was a bit bigger than usual but I didn't care at that point. We agreed to go back to her place nearby for $40.

I had my DV camera and asked her if I could shoot while she was playing with herself. She agreed and dropped her pants.

She sucked amazingly! She was impressively tight and she let me COHF which was a great bonus.

Here is a picture of her shaved pussy with my fingers working around those thick lips. Enjoy!

Latin Walker

P.S. The quality is not great, it was very dark... hehe

Latin Walker

11-04-03, 07:53

This is the same woman from before. Let me know what you think guys and if I should go on and bring my camera to other outings. ;)

This shot is still dark and I used the nightshot function on my cam for it. You can still see the moment of the COHF shot.

Good Hunting Guys,

LW

Bacon Dog

11-04-03, 12:13

Hey LW,

I hope you're not doing your cam stuff in the car. You could get into some serious trouble if you get caught. Go some place private like your house or something.

Latin Walker

11-05-03, 01:07

Read my post. We were at her place.

LW

Van Dog

11-06-03, 21:17

I am new to the Vancouver scene and was wondering if anyone could direct me to where all the best street action is at the moment without having to pay over the top of course.
Any help would be much appreciated.

Latin Walker

11-08-03, 19:33

#1369 -

Simply go back a few months in the post and you'll find all the information you need.

Right now, I would recommend calling an non-agency escort from the newspaper (BUY AND SELL) as the streets are roaming with Law Enforcement and can be quite scary.

If you still want to go on the streets for cheap just go on the low-track on Hasting. Anywhere between the corner of Main and Nanaimo and the surrounding streets are good places to find gems sometimes. Don't be surprised if you only find druggies though.

As for the next step up, really quickly, check out the Kingsway strip. Driving from Downtown, you should see a lot of Street Walkers before you hit MetroTown (a huge mall that you can't miss on your right). They are better than the low-track but usually a little more money.

Hope that helps a little. Have fun and be safe.

LW

P.S. Really read the past posts, they are a wealth of information and still pretty current. No one should attempt to drive the streets without proper info if they want the best experience. Peace!

Van Dog

11-09-03, 05:59

L W,

Thanks for the advice I will check out the previous posts as I intend to do some cruising tonight at about 11:00pm,is the Broadway and Commercial location a good pickup spot or were you just lucky?

I will write a report after my cruise of some of these locations tonight, lets hope I get some good SW action.

Latin Walker

11-10-03, 03:15

The Broadway stroll between Main and Commercial are always a safe bet to find a non-pro, mother trying to feed her kids or native indian trying to feed her pimp willing to give it up for a green.

Try it out and let me know.

Just don't talk to the She-Male on one of the corners (you can't miss her-him).

They usually stand by the north side of the street and in some corners of back alleys. Just drive around and around. No big real threat from LE which is awesome.

Have fun tonight #1369, good luck and let us know how it went. I might see you out there tonight too ;)

LW

Latin Walker

11-10-03, 12:06

I'm on a new mission:

I'm looking for swingers clubs that accept single men. Are they common in Vancity? Where?

Thanks guys, much appreciated.

LW

Van Dog

11-10-03, 22:15

Hi LW,

Went out Saturday night around 11pm and cruised the low track all the way from Main down as far as Victoria Dr and was very disapointed with the lack of SW action only a few Strung out druggies and I mean only a few,cruised up and down this track for about an hour but absolutely no action.

Decided to check out Clark Drive seen a couple of the regulars there but really not my type,older and rougher looking SW's.

Drove on down to Kingsway and headed east from Victoria Drive towards Metrotown and again there was absolutely nothing on the way there but as I headed back towards Vancouver I seen two very nice SW's just outside the money mart so I pulled over to check them out,one was blonde the other brunette both were at least a 9 very hot,mini skirts,black leather boots and looked to be around 20 yrs old,when I asked them the going rate the blonde replied,minimum service statred at $100,too rich for me so I bid them good- night but very hot.

By this time I was getting pretty horny and decided to give the low track one last try as it was now almost 1:00am and to my pleasure I seen an old aquantance of mine on the south corner of Victoria and Hastings,she is a young native girl about 23 and goes by the name of Stephanie,not bad looking and pretty clean always smells nice,I pulled over and she quickly got in my car and we drove off,she wanted $30 for a CBJ and I offered $20 which she agreed to,we usually head over to a spot off Clark Drive which is pretty quiet,as we drove towards our spot she undid her top and placed my hand on her nice big tits with great nipples which my cold hands were making quite hard and then she started rubbing my cock which was now rock hard.

I pulled over to our spot and as she was wearing a mini skirt she let me rub my hand betwen her legs by now I was just throbbing,she slipped om the condom and gave me a nice passionate BJ as I came she said one of these days we will have to fuck.
The evening started out badly but finished well,where have all the SW's in Vancouver gone, I have noticed over the last few weeks a serious decline in SW's, has LE been clamping down more and driving our treasures out.

Van Dog

11-11-03, 23:08

I am thinking of trying out some of Vancouvers many massage parlours and would appreciate any recomendations with my preferance being Asian,clean and of course not too expensive.

Any information regarding this would be much appreciated.

Regal

11-12-03, 04:45

Although I cruise Vancouver I do not tend to partake of any of the treasures as I am not comfortable with LE activity. I usually stay East of boundary.

The lowermainland seems to run in waves. One strip in Burnaby from Nelson to Gilley seems to have dried up but it will come back.

Took a Surrey KG cruise today 10:30 AM. Spotted 2. A regular at 94A Ave across from DQ. I have spoken to her. She offers a short menu CBJ. At about 92 Ave West side spotted a pushing 20 cutie not seen B4. Uturned and drove by and around the block. Looked good so went around block and poof gone.

All for now!!

Un_Circumcised

11-14-03, 04:38

I saw too many ho's to count Wednesday night from about 11 PM to 3:30 AM (see my guide for the strolls), weather was dry and cold but a bit above freezing. One odd thing I noticed on the low-track after 2 AM was someone cruising in a full-size lorry (trailer and all)! Also, LE in the Downtown Eastside seems to be fond of motorcycles these days: I saw a few in yellow jackets zipping around on them. My main purpose in visiting BC this week was to do my first survey of Vancouver Island strolls, and you can read my findings on the Victoria and Nanaimo boards.

Vancouver-area strolls (http://www.geocities.com/un_csd/streetguide.html#Vancouver)

Van Dog

11-15-03, 06:43

Hi Guys,

I am thinking of trying Wave massage on Fraser,does anyone have any experiance with this particular venue or can someone recomend a decent MP without getting ripped off.
Any info regarding this would be much appreciated.

Hoping to get some action this weekend so I will be sure and post a full report.

Van Dog

11-16-03, 10:31

Was out cruising this evening Saturday between 11:00pm and 1:30am on the tracks and there were very few SW's out,thats because there was LE everywhere,seriously I would not even have tried to pick up anyone tonight as there were all kinds of LE out there,never seen it so bad,they seem to be comming down hard at the moment so guys be extra carefull as I seen a few poor mongers pulled over by LE, I decided to call it a night.
Lets hope LE starts hanging out at the Donut shops again and leaves us all alone.......

Van Dog

11-19-03, 20:15

Was out last night after dropping off a friend in Vancouver and to my delight I spotted a very nice looking SW at the corner of Commercial and Powell, although I was not really looking for some action I decided to check her out as it was rainning pretty heavily, I circled the block and came back and there she was standing under an umbrella, I pulled over to get a closer look, she was native about 23 and had that slutty but attractive look that I like so I asked her to get in, she got in and was only to happy to be out of the rain and had on these tight fitting jeans and a nice little top beneath her jacket and had a very nice smile, she told me her name was Jessica and said she would do a CBJ for $20 or FS for $40 both in the car, I opted for a CBJ and we proceeded to a quiet parking spot close by, as we drove to the spot she was massaging my cock which I really like, I parked and she undid her top and bra to reveal a lovely set of very firm 36C tits with very nice nipples, she slipped on the condom with her mouth and got down to buisness, this girl really knows how to give head and actually sems to enjoy it, even when I had cum I had to ask her to stop as she was really getting into it, I would love to see this girl in full view next time as I think sex with her must be pretty wild.

EDITOR's NOTE: Posting of this report was delayed pending revisions to add a space between sentences. To avoid future delays, please include one space between sentences in future reports. Thanks!

PoorGuy

11-20-03, 08:29

http://www.canada.com/vancouver/news/story.asp?id=8CDD4477-9D2C-4C5B-86D7-1378D1A44CEF

Don't be surprised if the next SW you pick up is on edge.

Tarl

11-24-03, 08:17

Why won't SW go with a black guy in a car? Every time I try YVR it turns into a hassle of trying to get them to come up to me. I end going to the low track for a BJ. Would like to get the good stuff. Any ideas? (no jokes please :) )

Stephen Horndog

11-25-03, 08:05

Tari,

The reason the white hoes wont go with a black guy is because all the thug brothers out there are trying to pimp them. In the thug brother world being a pimp is king of the castle. So the white hoes can not really tell so they stereo type all black males as wanting to pimp them. Some hoes have also told me that black males want to screw them for free or pay them next to nothing for their services.

SH

Little Tony

11-26-03, 22:10

Tarl...I agree with Stephen.

I have also run into this problem on occasion. The problem can be worsened if you have a nice vehicle, because then they REALLY let their imaginations run wild with the pimp/thug thing.

I have been able to mainly overcome the issue because I am pretty well spoken and do not at all have a threatening manner. I also had one time where the girl was so hot and pickings on Kingsway so thin, that after she refused to get in my car initially, I parked and approached on foot and she agreed (this was probably three years ago).

I'm not suggesting that you are doing anything wrong (most of these girls are just stereotyping us), but having a soft approach has worked for me. It may help you, too.

LT

Nico

11-27-03, 00:31

Umm I was wondering do I need Car Insurance to cross into Canada? I want to come up there and enjoy some of what you have but I don't want to be turned around at the border. Thanks

J Boy

11-27-03, 01:53

Nico you probably have coverage on your own car insurance policy but check with your agent. If you don't have it you don't have much of a policy.

Un_Circumcised

11-27-03, 22:20

I haven't been asked for proof of auto insurance in over 10 years, so I think it is one of those technicalities the Canadian border inspectors demand of Americans they don't like for whatever reason, and can't find anything more serious on which to deny entry. My belief is that single American men crossing into Canada (and I suspect single Canadian men crossing into the US) are regarded with more suspicion than couples and families, and should be prepared for this. My new page is based on my 23 years of experiences at the border--which includes successfully crossing into Canada at least 100 times, and being denied entry 4 or 5 times. This is the first version of this page, and it will surely be subject to future revisions. If anyone has experiences at the Canadian border which contradict what I say, let me know.

Beat the Canadian border (http://www.geocities.com/un_csd/border.html)

Travis Bickle 2

12-01-03, 01:35

I just read the site about beating the Canadian border. In the report it says if asked if you've ever been convicted of a crime to say no. While in interogation if asked again to tell them their information is wrong. Personally I would assume that if they take me into interogation because of my answer to this question that they are probably looking at a computer screen with this information on it. Or perhaps can call the American authorites with my license number and other information and get it. If I am caught baldfaced lying about a conviction am I guilty of breaking another law? Like trying to gain entrance illegally into Canada? I would love to get some Vancouver SW's but not at the cost of another conviction.

Would it not be better to hope that the question never comes up (it never has in the past with me) and if it does answer honestly and just get turned back? I'm not questioning anything in the site, it just doesn't address the question: "what if they catch you lying". Because it does mention you are in even more trouble if subsequently you admit to falsehood.

Any input would be appreciated.

Civ2000

Un_Circumcised

12-02-03, 00:45

My belief is that the "primary" inspectors (the ones in the booths) do not do criminal background checks--so if you can bullshit your way past them you're on your way down the road. As for lying to the "secondary" inspectors (the ones inside the building) about having criminal convictions, I can only offer my experience: I've done it, and they've turned nothing up. However, I must add that my record consists of two petty offenses that happened in the '70s and '80s, so it's possible that the Canadians are aware of them but have decided not to hold it against me (if they denied everyone with an ancient minor shoplifting conviction, for example, that would surely exclude a lot of harmless tourists who want to spend money in Canada). I've also lied about ever having been denied entry into Canada (both at the booths and inside). Once again, lying about it at the booths had me waved through within a matter of seconds. I've been busted lying about it inside once, and they just turned me around (the woman was noticeably angry about it). I must add, though, that some of these incidents happened before 9-11 and the subsequent increase in scrutiny. What the penalties are (and I mean in practice, not on paper) for being charged with lying at the Canadian border, I don't know. The purpose of my page is to put up my experiences and tactics of crossing the border, and hopefully get some feedback from others who have had problems and how they solved them. The page is currently a first draft, and will be subject to revisions.

Regal

12-03-03, 19:21

Until I read Un's beat the C'dn borders I didn't know how much we hassled our American friends. Except when I was a young teen (60's long hair) I have rarely had a problem going either way. I suggest you tell the truth then you don't get caught in lies. I have worked on contract in the US going back and forth several times per month and only twice been sent to immigration. Once because the guy was an ass and didn't like yes/no and the other because one of my associates was carrying a foreign passport with US Visa. Un, you are right look them right in the eye! Take off hats and sun glasses and if possible let them see you do it as you drive up. Be honest! I am meeting friends in Vancouver. etc. I am not certain but I believe the US and Canada do some information sharing. Finally on insurance - Please don't come to BC without liability insurance. We do have underinsured protection but nobody should be on the road without coverage no matter what the law says. My $0.02CAD

Beetle Bug

12-03-03, 23:20

I live in Portland (and was in Seattle for a while) , but have been travelling to Vancouver 3-4 times a year for probably the last 25 years. Something under half of those trips have been with the family -- in those cases, I have not usually even been asked for ID, mostly 1) Where is home? 2) where are you going? (A) Vancouver/Victoria to shop and see the sights 3) Any guns? 4) Anygifts you're going to leave, and 5) fruits of vegetables?

Of more interest to the group here is when I go alone. When I was 20-25 (I'm 41 now), just saying that I was going to hit th enightclubs in Vancouver was enough to get waved through (ahhh the days....). I'm always asked for ID now, but I have never ever been in the immigration office there.

Things I do know, from comparing information with others (like me) considering immigrating to Canada. The US and Canada DO exchange information. A felony will show up in the computer. A misdemenor MIGHT appear, and it might not. One example, DUI convictions DO show up in the files -- they are a considered to be a worse offence in Canada than in the US. No one seems to know the complete list. Being caught in a lie can get you banned from the border for up to 10 years, so while I would suggest not volunteering information, consider the consequences if you don't answer truthfully.

My suggestions:

- Do have a good answer to "What are you doing in Canada?". Even if it's "Spending my long weekend drinking canadian beer", having a specific place in mind to tell them where you are going is better than just saying "partying". A "friends" name and address in Vancouver couldn't hurt.

- Dress the part. No suits, but I make a point of chosing the border wearing a button down shirt, perhaps a sweater, hair groomed, car recently washed, etc. I can't believe any of that hurts.

- Whether the answers you give are, ahem, truthful or not, let them be sure, quick in coming, or at least well practiced. They will pick up on doubt.

Oh yeah, the argument that you will be shopping in Canada or spending/not spending money there will not change their mind. Thier attitude is to keep the riff raff (me!) out; they don't care about our contribution to the economy. That argument will turn them off.

BTW, I usually find it to be more of a hassle getting back into the US.

Un_Circumcised

12-04-03, 00:23

i don't think they can hassle 99% of american visitors to the degree i've been at times because it would shut down the border, and canada would lose billions of tourist dollars. what they do is target certain people based on various factors. one is race: they seem to target non-caucasians more (i've seen a high percentage of blacks, asians, etc inside secondary immigration inspection on both sides over the years). i'm also convinced that single men (and vehicles with only men) get scrutinized more than couples, families, old folks, etc. however, i was waved through at the booths for several years in a row during two stretches in the '90s after i had mastered the questions, the eye contact, etc. since 9-11, i've been sent inside several times because i didn't have a birth certificate or passport. i was then oked after they checked out my driver's license. apparently they're now tired of me wasting their time, and are demanding that i have proof of citizenship before i'm allowed back in. my name has been entered into the primary booths lookout system, so trying multiple border crossings won't help. in addition, they are demanding that i jump some other hurdles that i'm not going to discuss at this time. in short, they have raised the bar so high that i'm seriously wondering if some authority on either side has identified me as the person behind the stroll guide, and have passed that info along to the canadian border guards in an effort to thwart the research i do in bc for my site. i'm wondering if the canadians won't just find other hurdles for me to jump if i go to the trouble and expense of satisfying the current demands they're making on me. i know all this sounds a bit paranoid, but given the way big brother has grown since 9-11, i don't think my fears are far-fetched. everyone should understand by now that the internet isn't as anonymous as it seems, and that the u.s. and canadian authorities have the technology and legal power to trace ips. i've known this all along, but accepted the risk because i strongly believe that the prostitution laws are bullshit, feel that they deserve to be challenged and subverted, and want my life to stand for something other than being an obedient cog for the status quo and the gun-toting thugs with badges who maintain it. i think my site would have been shut down long ago if authorities in the u.s. thought they could do it (it's been nearly 2 years since the seattle weekly review of my site came out--
and that publicity probably resulted in every le agency in the region being made aware of it), but i don't know if it would still be up if i were based in canada--which has had less protection for controversial speech than the us has. whatever happens with my ability to visit canada again, i'm not removing the bc strolls and news from the guide, and will continue to monitor and report on the situation up there via internet research.

My Alias

12-04-03, 11:49

In reply to UnCircumsized posts about the U.S.-Canadian border, I must say I've never really been hassled.

I have long hair (pulled back in a ponytail, it goes halfway down my back) and a beard, so I look pretty rough, too. I drive a rusting SUV with 250,000 miles on it and usually I'm going through the borders near Haines or Skagway, Alaska, or the one up near Tok, Alaska. Most of the time, I just show them my driver's license (sometimes I haven't even been asked for that) and say I have no guns or drugs in the car.

I've got friends with military haircuts and look very squared away who had to pull every piece of cargo out of their rigs to go through the border, but I've never had a problem. I've had more problems going through airport security for a commuter flight than I have going through an international border. When I was going through Europe on the trains, I'd just pass my passport over to the border guard, who'd look at it and hand it back within five seconds.

Beetle Bug

12-04-03, 19:10

I was in Vancouver over the long US Thanksgiving weekend. I had friends with me this time (I usually go alone) so there was not a lot of time for hobbying.

Ah yes, the Friday where I got stuck in traffic for hours after my last business call. I was surprised to find some potential companionship out on Kingsway after there being so much rain that day -- so I tried to make it worth being out there for one of them! Saw one BSW well covered up walking near Safeway, but seemed a little creepy once I got a little closer. Ended up with a young (22ish) lady "Crystal" very cute, short, a little plump but pleasantly so (not fat by any means!) that I found near the bus stop at KW and Naniamo. Took her back to my room, had my way with her (CBJ - my choice and FS) for .60.

Next day (Saturday) drove down E Hastings a couple of times (with others in the car) just to check out the action. Didn't seem like a lot of choice out there that particular time compared to times past (althought the last time was in the Summer). But no complaints -- it was wet out there, and I kept my scoring streak alive!

Tube Steak

12-10-03, 00:25

Glad to find a website for my favorite pastime (and a name- hobbying). I've been hobbying in Seattle since '80 but have recently moved "up north". Have crossed the Canadian border 6-7 times since the move and have found the SP's plentiful and cheap compared to Seattle. You guys up there have it so good.

Went last week, Tuesday, around 4PM. No load at the I-5 crossing. Easy access, medium heavy traffic northbound into the city. You wouldn't even think about this in Seattle traffic-wise. Cruised around a bit to get my bearings while still light out. Then headed for the low-track east of Chinatown. Actually don't have a clue where the rest are. Plenty to pass up but there are always gems, if there IS LE they are not high profile.

I love the hunt, shopping for the just right SP.

Cruised for about an hour up and down Hastings and Pender and the neighborhoods surrounding. Finally settled on a tall native gal. Long legs looked good in the semi-dark. Linda (has a chipped front tooth, but fine legs and firm B-cups) agreed to .2CAN for a BJ, however it was at the moment of truth she revealed it was slightly more BB. Ok, .05 more.

Now I am the kind of guy who is not in a hurry, so after about 20 min. she is getting a little impatient. Can't blame her there, eh guys? .1 more bought me 15 more min. She stuck her finger in her mouth and massaged me at the same time. I blew, what can I say...She's says, if you f**k like that we are doing FS next time, 'cause I'm all wet. Ever get THAT from a Seattle crack ***** ? Doubt it.

Anyways, a short message to the Seattle brethren. That was 35 min++ for $27 US. This is not an unusual price. 1/2 & 1/2= .4 = .32US. Don't over pay, be civil and all will be well in Vancouver tonight.

SweetWillyP

12-11-03, 04:13

Salivatore,

I could not agree with you more! I am from the Seattle area and I gave up on the street scene in Seattle, nowadays it is up to the low and mid tracks on the weekend. I have yet to pay more than $60can for what would be considered a perfect 10. I typically pay $20can for bbbj and $40can full service and this is usaully what I would consider at least a 7 on the street walker scale.All I have to say is "music starts" ohhh cannaaadaa ohhh cannaaadaa.

Philofun

12-11-03, 10:17

I really had no intention of picking anyone up, honest. I didn't even get to the low track, I was just going home and happened to be on Clark, northbound, when all of a sudden there were SWs on every corner. This would be on both west and east sides of Clark, between Venables and Hastings, ten pm. Old reflexes kicked in and I circled to get heading southbound on Clark from Hastings and saw a couple sporting full frontal floatation devices. I picked up Tracy, about 5'6", long straight dark blonde hair, white peasant blouse under a black jacket, glasses. I only had a green, which started a cbj, then after a while I said that it sometimes took me awhile and how much would it be to go FS I only had a purple. Heh heh. She was in her thirties but still had nice sweater melons and seemed to like having them fondled, and she made some really nice fake moaning noises. If I pick her up again I wonder if I can get away with ½ and ½ for thirty again?

Then just for old times sake I cruised the low and mid tracks. Couple of real cuties on Gore, Jackson and Hawks. Mid track there's that group of guys hanging around Salisbury and Pandora, I wish they'd go sell drugs somewhere else, they detract from the eye candy. Hey, whatcha gonna do? I'm not going to ask for more LE patrols through the area, dammit.

Tube Steak

12-15-03, 08:27

Seein' as there's nothing new here, I'll report about a fine summer eve on the low track. Initially I picked up this fine looking Asian girl a block south of Hastings ( I think). Right near the end of Chinatown. She agrees to 1/2 & 1/2 for .4 and get her dough. Then tells me it's more to touch these and no you can't touch this. etc, etc. Always a bad sign. One minute BBJ and she wants to get to the main course, then it's you're too big, not like that and etc,etc. Couldn't finish. I finally had to throw her out , big scene and all, and went cruising again.

There's a lot of trash out there so you have to be patient. I see this blonde and she looks so good I can't believe she's working. I think that's how I got her, as I don't think anyone else thought she was working either. She was about 20, a 9 IMHO. Sweet and petite. I cruised by her twice and finally just pulled up next to her. She says "Can I have a ride?" Are the Kennedy's gun -shy? I had my VW vanagon and it is the best mongermobile, as the rear seat is comfy and private, pull the back curtains and all is good. Excellent BBJ technique AND she spoke Greek. for .5 more. I think she would have taken less but in Seattle you could not have afforded it... Now I was going to be a good boy and go home, but had to stop for some noodles and just thinking about her I had to go looking again. Couldn't find her so I settled on what looked like a 6, but turned out to be a crack 4. She did give a nice sloppy BJ that I would never have thought I could finish, but she was persistent. Ah, don't think I could do that again.