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You are quite correct. And there are a few others who follow the same path. They can't formulate a reasonable argument or logical premise so they alter what was (said) written to provide them with a platform to argue what they want.I see that the Dunning-Kruger Effect is in full swing. The two American libtards are buss stroking each others already bloated egos.
Little do they know that the rest of the world are laughing at how uneducated and arrogant they are.
You are quite correct. And there are a few others who follow the same path. They can't formulate a reasonable argument or logical premise so they alter what was (said) written to provide them with a platform to argue what they want.The straw man is clearly the favorite. The second is the fallacy of the ad nauseum, or "proof by repetition. " This is when the same fallacious arguments / lies are repeated over and over while all corrections and rebuttals are ignored. This clearly is Trump's favorite, and that of his followers by extension.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_nauseam
There's many more, but if I had to pick a third favorite it would be the non-sequitur, followed by false delimmas, either / or fallacies, also called black and white thinking errors. The latter is Mr E's favorites.
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Non-Sequitur
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/False-Dilemma
Just popping in here to take a pop and remind people how stupid low class Americans are. German engineers are the world's best. That is not in dispute. Pretty silly comment. Depending on the type of product, Germany frequently doesn't rank. The US ranks much higher, and so does China, South Korea and India.
Americans, of course, have no savings and most have no equity so they don't figure in the rainy day stakes. Too many hamburgers, not enough forward planning.An equally ignorant comment. You obviously haven't a clue how American society works. It is true that many Americans retire with next to nothing in their savings account. But they receive a livable wage from Social Security when they retire. Some still receive pensions when they retire. The rest of the working population has IRAs and 401 Ks to supplement their retirement income. Most private companies make contributions to their employees 401 K plans.
But the point many ill-informed blowhards don't understand is that Americans own homes that they have lived in for many years and the value of those homes acts as a very large 'savings account'. Many of those Americans you despise, retire, sell their house netting a small fortune and have a very comfortable retirement. You might also remember that Americans have Medicare to absorb their medical costs once they reach 65.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewbiggs/2019/03/15/u-s-retirement-system-rocks-europe/?sh=22371cc063ce
But lets remind you what you actually wrote about salaries in Europe: "Those higher paying jobs that you are crowing about are largely with American companies."
Haha, its so stupid and incorrect that I have to laugh. It doesn't matter if you said a large part or all, its still just as moronic and incorrect. Embarrassing.So you now admit that you lied about what I said or perhaps had trouble reading it but now you're saying it doesn't matter that you distorted the response. OK, sure buddy.
Let me ask you something else, Elvis. Oh I mean Shoo Bree hahahaha.
If lockdowns don't work (as you've said many times before) and Europeans are so smart. Then how come Austria has just entered into a lockdown with a vaccination mandate required as of February 1st.
Slovakia has also announced a lockdown and Netherlands has introduced a partial lockdown. Belgium introduced a work from home requirement for 4 days a week. Germany has seen a recent surge and is cosidering similar type measures.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-59343650
Apparently you aren't so smart afterall. Or maybe you think you're smarter than all the Europeans governments that are taking these measures. Or maybe the reality is that you're not nearly as smart as you wish you were and you just don't know that much. Maybe I should just call you Euro-Elvis.
PedroMorales
11-23-21, 18:23
Pretty silly comment. Depending on the type of product, Germany frequently doesn't rank. The US ranks much higher, and so does China, South Korea and India.In engineering, to repeat, Germany and its satellite nations win. The US are just magpies. Germany's problem, as I said, is China vastly outnumbers them. That can be seen in China's advances in space and in blue water navies, which will soon clobber the Yanks and the British rust buckets.
Software is a different issue but again all the Let's Go Brandon's can do is cause dissension in China and kidnap Chinese citizens.
An equally ignorant comment. You obviously haven't a clue how American society works. It is true that many Americans retire with next to nothing in their savings account. But they receive a livable wage from Social Security when they retire. Some still receive pensions when they retire.LOL. Here is a video of the USA. Kensington Ave "the street where I live" where everyone owns their own cardboard homes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUsdqsCMNwg&ab_channel=kimgary.
Here are home ownership rates. Cardboard land is in about place 50, though this varies in typhoon season https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_home_ownership_rate.
So you now admit that you lied about what I said or perhaps had trouble reading it but now you're saying it doesn't matter that you distorted the response. OK, sure buddy.
Let me ask you something else, Elvis. Oh I mean Shoo Bree hahahaha.
If lockdowns don't work (as you've said many times before) and Europeans are so smart. Then how come Austria has just entered into a lockdown with a vaccination mandate required as of February 1st.
Slovakia has also announced a lockdown and Netherlands has introduced a partial lockdown. Belgium introduced a work from home requirement for 4 days a week. Germany has seen a recent surge and is cosidering similar type measures.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-59343650
Apparently you aren't so smart afterall. Or maybe you think you're smarter than all the Europeans governments that are taking these measures. Or maybe the reality is that you're not nearly as smart as you wish you were and you just don't know that much. Maybe I should just call you Euro-Elvis.LMFAO, you claim to be from the US yet you can't even read and understand simple English. Its irrelevant and beside the point if you wrote "a large part" or all, it's still just as incorrect and moronic beyond belief. I for one couldn't care less. Instead of splitting hairs you should provide some evidence for your claim or just admit that you're a liar.
It's no secret that politicians are incompetent, just look at Biden! Yeah, I'm smarter than the politicians in charge, but I see that you're stupid enough to look up to them. That is laughable.
Its already been proven that lockdowns are ineffective, extremely harmful and an extreme way to punish innocent people.
You are dumber than I even thought was possible, you should come to Europe so more Europeans get to laugh at your stupidity.
What a ridiculous new system the Colombian government is imposing.
I went today to a restaurant with my brother's vax pass (I don't have one). The vax pass has a large QR code (for scanning only in the country of origin), his name, and a valid until date. It also mentions "COVID Pass" somewhere among a load of small print.
It is not possible for anyone in Colombia to read the QR code, and there are not even any details on the pass about what vaccine was taken or where etc.
I was asked "do you have a vax card? So I showed them the one that I had and I entered the restaurant with a shrug. Great protection this new system is offering.
Just popping in here to take a pop and remind people how stupid low class Americans are. German engineers are the world's best. That is not in dispute. Sweden and (belatedly) Finland are also good. Ditto Switzerland, Denmark and the Netherlands. Northern Italy and Austria are amongst the richest parts of Europe. There is a reason the super wealthy live in Switzerland. Italian and French brands dominate the luxury market. And you think they are all US dependent, you Walmart winker.
Germany has survived the US robbing its technology and kidnapping its engineers (Paperclip). The problem for Germany is US bullyboy tactics over its Russian deals and the threat China's amries of engineers pose. For every one engineer Germany can throw at a problem, China can throw hundreds.
America, land of fat women, does not figure.
Here is a snap shot of median (not "average" salaries, you American moron). Note Europe wins https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/median-income-by-country.
Americans, of course, have no savings and most have no equity so they don't figure in the rainy day stakes. Too many hamburgers, not enough forward planning.Its interesting to look at the value of cars imported to USA from the EU and vice versa.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/286399/eu-percentage-of-imported-vehicles-by-country-2012/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1128887/eu-car-export-value-us/
When I lived in Silicon Valley almost all of the engineers came from Europe, India, Iran and East Asia. The USAns worked at Dunkin Donuts. LMFAO!
MarquisdeSade1
11-23-21, 22:25
Its interesting to look at the value of cars imported to USA from the EU and vice versa.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/286399/eu-percentage-of-imported-vehicles-by-country-2012/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1128887/eu-car-export-value-us/
When I lived in Silicon Valley almost all of the engineers came from Europe, India, Iran and East Asia. The USAns worked at Dunkin Donuts. LMFAO!Silicon valley aka the land of 3rd world slaves in the bay area.
How do you think big tech gets so rich, by "overpaying" under qualified 3rd worlders to do perfunctory / menial tasks.
But hey you made it to the Land of milk and honey, living 20 guys jammed in a 3 bedroom apt LOL.
Like the poultry and ag workers from Mexico in the USA jajajaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
Elvis 2008
11-24-21, 00:56
Let me ask you something else, Elvis. Oh I mean Shoo Bree hahahaha.
Or maybe you think you're smarter than all the Europeans governments that are taking these measures. Or maybe the reality is that you're not nearly as smart as you wish you were and you just don't know that much. Maybe I should just call you Euro-Elvis.Yeah, there you go again in your imagined majority. Sorry, douche, I am not Shoo Bree.
And yes, Europe is locking down again and just like I have been tired of you douches using Covid to control our lives under the guise of saving them, Europe and other places have rebelled against lockdowns. See the link: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/thousands-join-anti-lockdown-protests-australia-amid-new-restrictions.
Nobody is listening to you douches and your "scientists" anymore.
Elvis 2008
11-24-21, 04:10
What a ridiculous new system the Colombian government is imposing.
The vax pass has a large QR code (for scanning only in the country of origin), his name, and a valid until date. It also mentions "COVID Pass" somewhere among a load of small print.
It is not possible for anyone in Colombia to read the QR code, and there are not even any details on the pass about what vaccine was taken or where etc.
I was asked "do you have a vax card? So I showed them the one that I had and I entered the restaurant with a shrug. Great protection this new system is offering.I wonder how much Pfizer donated to the president of Colombia. He was on CNBC saying anyone spreading misinformation about the virus should be charged criminally.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/09/covid-vaccines-pfizer-ceo-says-people-who-spread-misinformation-on-shots-are-criminals.html
He said life for many people can go "back to normal" once many of the unvaccinated get vaccinated.
End of quote.
Guess he has not heard what is going on in Gibraltar. Maybe we should charge him for criminally spreading lies about the vaccine touting how great it is.
I just wonder what a restaurant is supposed to do? Is this like using a fake ID? There is no photo on my Covid card, and it can be doctored so easily and it cannot be verified in Colombia. Haven't the restaurants been through enough hell yet?
It's no secret that politicians are incompetent, just look at Biden! Yeah, I'm smarter than the politicians in charge, ...... That is laughable.
Its already been proven that lockdowns are ineffective, extremely harmful and an extreme way to punish innocent people.
You are dumber than I even thought was possible, you should come to Europe so more Europeans get to laugh at your stupidity.OK Elvis. I mean ShooBreezer. One post you claim I'm too arrogant the next post you claim that Europeans are so much smarter than the rest of us. Then you turn around again and claim that you are smarter than the politicians in charge of European countries. You know what is best is regards to lockdowns, partial lockdowns, vaccination mandates etc. . Even though your European countries are reinstituting those same lockdowns, partial lockdowns and vaccination mandates.
Excuse my stating the obvious. But if you want a good look at arrogance, try looking in the mirror. As far as knowing what is effective in combating CoVid, you might try listening to scientists because you sure as hell don't know anything. As to you being smarter than European politicians? I doubt you're as smart as their pets.
Watch this short video. It explains so well why neo-libs in the USA are so staunchly pro-vax for everything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At-BI1KAUJw
Brainwashed by propaganda, paid for by Big Pharma.
Yeah, there you go again in your imagined majority. Sorry, douche, I am not Shoo Bree.
And yes, Europe is locking down again and just like I have been tired of you douches using Covid to control our lives under the guise of saving them, Europe and other places have rebelled against lockdowns. See the link: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/thousands-join-anti-lockdown-protests-australia-amid-new-restrictions.
Nobody is listening to you douches and your "scientists" anymore.Yet despite all your protestations against getting vaccinated. "It has major side effects", "it doesn't prevent transmission", "it isn't effective", "it's only a political ploy" and on and on and on. Yet you've been vaccinated. I guess that makes you one of the biggest hypocrites around. Or perhaps you don't believe your own BS?
Elvis 2008
11-24-21, 19:11
Yet despite all your protestations against getting vaccinated. "It has major side effects", "it doesn't prevent transmission", "it isn't effective", "it's only a political ploy" and on and on and on. Yet you've been vaccinated. I guess that makes you one of the biggest hypocrites around. Or perhaps you don't believe your own BS?I guess your tiny pea brain can only handle two POVs, Republican and Democrat, provaxx and antivaxx. MDS and I have been among the first to get vaccinated, and we have been open about that since day one.
The other part your little pea brain cannot get is that you have to be devoted to one POV despite the new data coming in. So if a treatment goes from being 88% effective to 3% effective, you have to continue to recommend that treatment even when it does not work: https://fyi.com/living/health-fitness/study-johnson-johnsons-covid-vaccine-only-3-effective-as-of-august-2021/.
And yes, no matter how much you douches scream and pout and click your heels and wish for it, the vaccine does not prevent transmission. The CDC says so and if a treatment is only 3% effective that would stand to reason.
But I have never been anti-vaxx but anti-douche. I am against almost all mandates and the bird brained one size fits all vaccine policy you dummies think is necessary. Vaccinating 5 year olds? Really? Given it does not affect transmission, I believe in freedom of choice when it comes to vaccination.
Of course, the vaccines have been political. Hell, half the reason I got vaccinated was political in that I wanted to travel. I suspected we would need vaccine cards to travel and sure enough that day has arrived.
But I never thought I would need a vaccine card to eat in a restaurant. I never imagined that things would get that stupid.
OK Elvis. I mean ShooBreezer. One post you claim I'm too arrogant the next post you claim that Europeans are so much smarter than the rest of us. Then you turn around again and claim that you are smarter than the politicians in charge of European countries. You know what is best is regards to lockdowns, partial lockdowns, vaccination mandates etc. . Even though your European countries are reinstituting those same lockdowns, partial lockdowns and vaccination mandates.
Excuse my stating the obvious. But if you want a good look at arrogance, try looking in the mirror. As far as knowing what is effective in combating CoVid, you might try listening to scientists because you sure as hell don't know anything. As to you being smarter than European politicians? I doubt you're as smart as their pets.Here you go showing your ignorance again, there's no such thing as "my" European countries. No European would ever say or think something like that.
You're so stupid and gullible that you actually consider politicians to be smart, oh my god! Did you intentionally try to kill me by giving me a laughing attack?
Are Hillary Clinton, that brown VP chick and Joe Biden the smartest people USA got to offer? If that's the case then I can honestly say that I have severely overestimated the USAns.
I could easily raise the GDP / capita of my country with over 10% in less than 2 years. The politicians are corrupt and incompetent, only brain damaged fools like you are impressed by them.
Anyways you have constantly failed to make any sort of real argument, you have instead lied and changed the subject every time that I prove you wrong.
Like for real where are the evidence that supports your statement: "Those higher paying jobs that you are crowing about are largely with American companies."
And when will you explain why Peru with their lockdowns have twice as many deaths / capita than Colombia and Peru?
Not to mention the failed lockdowns in Spain, France, Belgium and so on.
For once, be a man and don't change the subject or lie.
MarquisdeSade1
11-24-21, 23:00
Watch this short video. It explains so well why neo-libs in the USA are so staunchly pro-vax for everything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At-BI1KAUJw
Brainwashed by propaganda, paid for by Big Pharma.https://thejewishvoice.com/2021/10/los-angeles-psychiatrist-says-covid-policies-are-not-about-health-theyre-about-authoritarian-control/
And yes, no matter how much you douches scream and pout and click your heels and wish for it, the vaccine does not prevent transmission. The CDC says so and if a treatment is only 3% effective that would stand to reason..It's been a long-time, if ever, that anyone has argued those that have been vaccinated are not contagious. But clearly, if you don't have the virus, you can't spread it. So if 100 people are vaccinated, and 5 get COVID anyways, that is better to reduce transmission than 20 unvaccinated people getting it and walking around. How does that basic concept elude you? Regarding your 3% argument, did you bother to follow your own link? That was just for JnJ. Moderna and Pfizer numbers were stated as being 64% and 50% effective in the same original article. Not as good as anyone would hope, but light years away from your basic premise. You are really showing yourself to be a dullard for the ages.
BTW, let me save you some keystrokes. I know "douche" will be coming my way. But since I'm not a democrat, you don't need to add "democratic" in the front of it. And will save you from being wrong once again. And just to note, douche was an insult that was used in the 80's. Time to update your vernacular a bit (hint: "whippersnapper" is not considered current either).
Yet despite all your protestations against getting vaccinated. "It has major side effects", "it doesn't prevent transmission", "it isn't effective", "it's only a political ploy" and on and on and on. Yet you've been vaccinated. I guess that makes you one of the biggest hypocrites around. Or perhaps you don't believe your own BS?For Elvirus, preaching the latest right wingnut propaganda is a very high priority, yet his survival instincts trump that by a nose. Wink.
And when will you explain why Peru with their lockdowns have twice as many deaths / capita than Colombia and Peru?..I sorry, I can't explain why Peru has twice as many deaths as Peru. Just a hint, if you can't write or understand English. At least proofread what you scribble out.
So if 100 people are vaccinated, and 5 get COVID anyways, that is better to reduce transmission than 20 unvaccinated people getting it and walking around. How does that basic concept elude you?.I don't wish to stand in your way of a good argument, but I would like to ask you where you get your %s from. Whatever reduction in % you give, kit is based on false logic. You ask "How does that basic concept elude you?. " - - I would like to ask you how does the concept elude you that all these studies have been based on a fixed length of time- which is false framing. How does it elude you and elude nearly all the pro-vaxers that in the real world, we do not restrict time. All credible scientists agree that we will all catch COVID eventually. So we are all at 100% certainty in the real world, not in a fictitious world where a short period will favour a vax. Even the head of the CDC agrees. So please explain to me, how is a vax person less likely to catch it when both vax and non-vax are 100% certain?
I don't wish to stand in your way of a good argument, but I would like to ask you where you get your %s from. Whatever reduction in % you give, kit is based on false logic. You ask "How does that basic concept elude you?. " - - I would like to ask you how does the concept elude you that all these studies have been based on a fixed length of time- which is false framing. How does it elude you and elude nearly all the pro-vaxers that in the real world, we do not restrict time. All credible scientists agree that we will all catch COVID eventually. So we are all at 100% certainty in the real world, not in a fictitious world where a short period will favour a vax. Even the head of the CDC agrees. So please explain to me, how is a vax person less likely to catch it when both vax and non-vax are 100% certain?I'm not sure I fully understand what % reduction in numbers you are questioning, but I believe it was the effectiveness of the vaccines over time. If so, those were straight out of links in the article linked in the original post in which egregious cherry-picking occurred. The main point is that if you don't have COVID, you can't spread COVID. Anything that prevents you from having COVID, no matter how long a period you wish to choose to look at, prevents the transmission of COVID. Now maybe there are good arguments that say "yeah, but, the costs of vaccination outweigh the benefits of that", but if the starting premise is false, the rest of the argument is suspect and difficult (at least for me) to accept.
Even if I were to accept that 100% of people will get COVID at some time, I find your "we do not restrict time" a bit contradictory, as what you have effectively done is not "restrict time" versus a longer period, but actually condensed it into a single time period. Which is the ultimate restriction of time.
I don't wish to stand in your way of a good argument, but I would like to ask you where you get your %s from. Whatever reduction in % you give, kit is based on false logic. You ask "How does that basic concept elude you?. " - - I would like to ask you how does the concept elude you that all these studies have been based on a fixed length of time- which is false framing. How does it elude you and elude nearly all the pro-vaxers that in the real world, we do not restrict time. All credible scientists agree that we will all catch COVID eventually. So we are all at 100% certainty in the real world, not in a fictitious world where a short period will favour a vax. Even the head of the CDC agrees. So please explain to me, how is a vax person less likely to catch it when both vax and non-vax are 100% certain?Apologies, I just realized you quoted the 5 in 100 and 20 in 100 numbers in your response. I made those numbers up for examples, but they have no relevancy for my core contention. Feel free to substitute in 3 and 10, or 5 and 7, or 11 and 15. It doesn't matter. The foundation of my argument stays exactly the same and still supports my next statement. The only case (s) where it would not is if you were to say the chance of getting COVID is exactly the same despite vaccination status (which you might be doing with your "everyone will eventually get COVID" statement) or you are less likely to get COVID by being unvaccinated.
Here you go showing your ignorance again, there's no such thing as "my" European countries. No European would ever say or think something like that.
You're so stupid and gullible that you actually consider politicians to be smart, oh my god! Did you intentionally try to kill me by giving me a laughing attack?No, ShooBreezer I didn't say politicians were smart. You seem to be infatuated with changing what someone says so that you can make your argument. Learn that from Elvis did you?
Here is what I did and still do say. European politicians are smarter and much better informed than you!.
Are Hillary Clinton, that brown VP chick and Joe Biden the smartest people USA got to offer? If that's the case then I can honestly say that I have severely overestimated the USAns.I can't really comment on Kamala Harris or Joe Biden but Hillary Clinton is one of the smartest people that ever ran for President of the US. So why did she lose? She is unattractive and extremely unlikeable. In American politics smarts can not overcome being generally unattractive and unlikeable.
I could easily raise the GDP / capita of my country with over 10% in less than 2 years..Of course you can, jajajajaja. Why don't you run for office and prove it? Otherwise you're just another narcissistic windbag.
Anyways you have constantly failed to make any sort of real argument, you have instead lied and changed the subject every time that I prove you wrong.
Like for real where are the evidence that supports your statement: "Those higher paying jobs that you are crowing about are largely with American companies."
And when will you explain why Peru with their lockdowns have twice as many deaths / capita than Colombia and Peru?
Not to mention the failed lockdowns in Spain, France, Belgium and so on.
For once, be a man and don't change the subject or lie.OK, I seriously considered writing up an explanation and sourced analysis of each of your 'issues' but decided it isn't worth my time. You think these are 'gotcha' points but the reality is you are too lazy and incapable of analytical work to do it yourself. So you challenge anything and everything that doesn't fit your worldview. Why should I waste my time presenting the research and sources when you could do it yourself? (if you were not so lazy and incompetent). I think a better course for you would be to read and believe everything Elvis writes. It won't be right but at least you won't have to do any work. Have a nice day, wear your mask when you leave home and remember to take your Vaxx card.
The only case (s) where it would not is if you were to say the chance of getting COVID is exactly the same despite vaccination status (which you might be doing with your "everyone will eventually get COVID" statement) or you are less likely to get COVID by being unvaccinated.Yes, this is exactly it! Exactly what I am saying and what most pro-vaxxers fail to take in to consideration. I agree that the vax has some efficacy in the short term. The stats are clear on that. So of course, all other things being equal, in the short term fewer vaxd people will contract COVID than non-vaxd (I. E. A smaller % of the group). But everyone will eventually get COVID (I assume this means not literally everybody, but enough people that it may as well be everybody). This has been confirmed by Biden COVID response leader.
Its also clear that the unvaxd is only more susceptible to contracting the virus bcos that group includes people who have yet to catch the virus. But over time more of that group will catch the virus and will have natural immunity, so essentially the vital characteristics of both groups will become equal. Both will undergo a period when they have the virus, and both groups will be equally dangerous to vulnerable people at that time.
So if the end result is the same in both groups, why is it essential to be vaccinated? The non-vaxd are only an extra danger to themselves, so why not leave them be?
No, ShooBreezer I didn't say politicians were smart. You seem to be infatuated with changing what someone says so that you can make your argument. Learn that from Elvis did you?
Here is what I did and still do say. European politicians are smarter and much better informed than you!.
I can't really comment on Kamala Harris or Joe Biden but Hillary Clinton is one of the smartest people that ever ran for President of the US. So why did she lose? She is unattractive and extremely unlikeable. In American politics smarts can not overcome being generally unattractive and unlikeable.
Of course you can, jajajajaja. Why don't you run for office and prove it? Otherwise you're just another narcissistic windbag.
OK, I seriously considered writing up an explanation and sourced analysis of each of your 'issues' but decided it isn't worth my time. You think these are 'gotcha' points but the reality is you are too lazy and incapable of analytical work to do it yourself. So you challenge anything and everything that doesn't fit your worldview. Why should I waste my time presenting the research and sources when you could do it yourself? (if you were not so lazy and incompetent). I think a better course for you would be to read and believe everything Elvis writes. It won't be right but at least you won't have to do any work. Have a nice day, wear your mask when you leave home and remember to take your Vaxx card.Wow, so much stupidity and dishonesty from you. All that you wrote is incorrect.
Time after time you respond with lies, personal attacks and pathetic attempts to change the topic. You still haven't revealed the source to your lie that "Those higher paying jobs that you are crowing about are largely with American companies".
You're a troll, plan and simple. You make false claims and when confronted you change the topic. Its ridiculous to see.
You just made a long post where you implicitly expressed how smart you consider politician to be and now you changed the tune. You don't have a leg to stand on. You go back and forth because you lack any real arguments.
I don't expect a loser like you to understand it, but there's really no reason to become a politician unless you can't make it in the private sector. That applies especially to us who like to monger.
Time after time you reveal that you have no clue at all how politics works.
OK, I seriously considered writing up an explanation and sourced analysis of each of your 'issues' but decided it isn't worth my time. You think these are 'gotcha' points but the reality is you are too lazy and incapable of analytical work to do it yourself. So you challenge anything and everything that doesn't fit your worldview. Why should I waste my time presenting the research and sources when you could do it yourself? (if you were not so lazy and incompetent). I think a better course for you would be to read and believe everything Elvis writes. It won't be right but at least you won't have to do any work. Have a nice day, wear your mask when you leave home and remember to take your Vaxx card.Another reason why you shouldn't waste your time is because we had this same discussion about a year ago, hashed out thoroughly and with source citations, at least from some. Such are virtually non-existent from ShooBree and Elvis, probably because they are embarrassed of the places where they read. Surely laziness and incompetence play into it as well. But no one should feel compelled to do it all over again for a twerp in a basement in Sweden whose never been to Colombia, and only frequents the free for all threads where his posts won't get deleted.
The bottom line is that "lockdowns" or written laws are meaningless without effective enforcement and compliance. He operates with the assumption that these laws are well enforced and obeyed, a fallacy on it's face as it assumes "facts" not entered into evidence, thus his questions are loaded. Not surprisingly for anyone who has been to Latin America, there's been plenty of weak enforcement and non-compliance there. Other factors also enter the equation, such as population density, modes of transportation, the makeup of households which are often multi-generational in Latin America, food sourcing, gig economies etc. Etc. And this leap from Sweden to Peru is all a red herring to turn attention away from Sweden's poor Covid performance when measured against their Nordic neighbors who represent similar societies. The immigrant (Blacks and Arabs) card has been played but it fails as Denmark and Norway have similar rates of immigration from Africa and the Middle East.
But anyway it's all still here for sure, in this Stupid Shit thread. Look for posts by myself, JJBee62, and some others, going back about a year, maybe a bit later by a few months. The short of it is that masks and social distancing work, hardly surprising for a respiratory illness passed through aerosols.
Happy Thanksgiving everyone.
Elvis 2008
11-26-21, 03:27
It's been a long-time, if ever, that anyone has argued those that have been vaccinated are not contagious. But clearly, if you don't have the virus, you can't spread it. So if 100 people are vaccinated, and 5 get COVID anyways, that is better to reduce transmission than 20 unvaccinated people getting it and walking around. How does that basic concept elude you?Because it has already been proven false. Israel was the most vaccinated country on earth a few weeks ago and had higher cases per capita than anyone. I could also add other countries with higher than ever case loads that are heavily vaccinated. On top of that, I do not think you even understand the concept of "if you do not have the virus", what does that means? Infection? Colonization? And how high are the viral counts?
Do you believe the virus went from pangolin to man? If so, then how do you account for transmission from animals to humans given none of them are vaccinated and so many carry the virus? And we are just going to assume this number is zero too? You have not accounted for so many variables in your theory, a theory that has already been disproven.
Regarding your 3% argument, did you bother to follow your own link? That was just for JnJ. Moderna and Pfizer numbers were stated as being 64% and 50% effective in the same original article. Not as good as anyone would hope, but light years away from your basic premise.Say what? Pfizer's vaccine reportedly has gone from 95 to 50 to 39% effective the last time it was checked. You mean you are just following them now?
Let me ask you something JC do you even get what those numbers mean?
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099%2821%2900075-X/fulltext
Rather, a 95% vaccine efficacy means that instead of 1000 COVID-19 cases in a population of 100 000 without vaccine (from the placebo arm of the abovementioned trials, approximately 1% would be ill with COVID-19 and 99% would not) we would expect 50 cases (9995% of the population is disease-free, at least for 3 months).
End of quote.
Well, that is great. Hell, things are so fucking great with the vaccine that I am going to have to expand these numbers by 20 to make my point. Two million citizens Unvaxxed has 20,000 cases. Vaxxed has 1000, but there is more. Being vaxxed means you are at least 10 X less likely to die. So we have 1000 people. Let's say 1% die. Now we are down to 10. Then you add in that you get a 10 X reduction of being vaxxed and you are down to 1 death. One out of 2 million people die if everyone is vaxxed versus 200 without a vax. Vaccines can prevent 99+% of all deaths. It is a miracle!!
But here is the problem. https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20211122/us-covid-deaths-2021-surpass-2020-total.
The number of COVID-19 deaths recorded so far in 2021 has surpassed the total for 2020, according to the latest data from Johns Hopkins University.
Overall, more than 771,000 COVID-19 deaths have been reported in the USA During the pandemic. About 385,000 were reported in 2020, according to CDC data, and more than 386,000 have been reported this year.
Want to explain that?
And maybe this too: Unvaccinated People Are 11 Times More Likely To Die Of COVID-19, New Research Finds.
https://www.npr.org/2021/09/10/1036023973/covid-19-unvaccinated-deaths-11-times-more-likely
BlackThought
11-26-21, 03:33
Silicon valley aka the land of 3rd world slaves in the bay area.
How do you think big tech gets so rich, by "overpaying" under qualified 3rd worlders to do perfunctory / menial tasks.
But hey you made it to the Land of milk and honey, living 20 guys jammed in a 3 bedroom apt LOL.
Like the poultry and ag workers from Mexico in the USA jajajaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.LOL there you go again, talking about a subject you know nothing about. I work in tech in the Bay Area and I am paid very well. Maybe if you stopped being so mad at the world, you'd be able to use that energy towards finding a decent job, then you can finally go live out your fantasies in Medellin lmao.
Elvis 2008
11-26-21, 03:46
And when will you explain why Peru with their lockdowns have twice as many deaths / capita than Colombia?
For once, be a man and don't change the subject or lie.As expected, he behaved like a douche and gave a POS snobby response and did not answer your question. You have to understand he is a Democratic douche and if it is not reported in left wing media, like a douche, he is perplexed. When you do not know the answer, douches will not answer or attack you.
Democratic douches do not know anything about the virus outside of what is in the left wing media, and the answer was not listed there with prominence. The reason Peru had such a high death rate is they had an oxygen shortage. See the link: https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/americas/peru-coronavirus-oxygen-shortages-intl/index.html.
You have to understand that douches are like going without oxygen themselves if they have to think on their own. All that matters with Covid spread is what Fauci and the "scientists" say: hand washing, social distancing, lockdowns, vaccines ETC. If the "scientists" do not say it, it does not exist.
I half expect Viliany the douche to say, "Since when does oxygen save lives? That sounds like Elvis logic to me".
Please watch this with open eyes and ears.
It explains very well why we are all going to get it, and why we should quit pointing the finger and accept that we have to live w it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7bYeLszh0M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwrt23SDSFs
Maybe 30 minutes in total. 30 minutes very well spent that would settle this debate if we could all sit still and listen with an open mind for a few minutes.
Elvis 2008
11-27-21, 08:16
I appreciate the effort JustTK, but you do not understand how the Democratic douches operate.
The DDs here do not care about saving lives. They just want to say that they do a better job saving lives Republicans would.
The DDs here do not care about educated. They want to smugly believe they are superior.
You can tell them the vaccine does not prevent Covid from spreading. You can point to all the links, science, and data you want. They want a smoke screen. They want the ability to create conflict to make people look away from what really scares them, and that is their checks from the government stopping.
When an American pol talks about the supposedly hard working blue collar types, they talk about teachers, firemen, police officers. These employees do not work. No, they serve. That phrase makes me gag.
The reality is these supposedly honorable hard working government types are bankrupting the country.
https://nypost.com/2018/01/20/thousands-of-retired-ny-teachers-rake-in-more-than-100k-in-pensions/
More than 3,000 retirees drew pensions of more than $100,000 in 2017, according to data compiled by the Empire Center for Public Policy.
Forty-six retirees bagged more than $200,000 including Schools Chancellor Carmen Faria, who collected $215,582 on top of her yearly $233,430 city salary.
End of quote.
This is why the USA is done. Our forefathers knew we were done once people could vote themselves money. When you start talking just $50,000 per year for 20 years, that is $1 million per employee, and people are living longer than ever.
Bear in mind this story is from back in 2017. There are numerous states with the same figures and the numbers are worse now.
In addition, those under 65 are also paying for the health care of those older than them.
So the DDs will always try to put a spotlight on anything but them. They will point at the unvaxxed, the Trump supporter, and they will proclaim that money is better spent on them than anyone else.
That is the basis of the point and hate Democratic douche. The goal is the finger is pointed at anyone but them because THEY are the most selfish pigs in the USA right now and their biggest fear is that Republicans take an axe to their payouts.
MarquisdeSade1
11-27-21, 14:41
LOL there you go again, talking about a subject you know nothing about. I work in tech in the Bay Area and I am paid very well. Maybe if you stopped being so mad at the world, you'd be able to use that energy towards finding a decent job, then you can finally go live out your fantasies in Medellin lmao.I am paid very well LMAO I'm sure they appreciate you think so LMAO.
I'm sorry I struck a nerve again and you had to stop eating buttholes to reply.
I've been to the bay many times over the last several yrs to see it 1st hand.
East bay / south bay / the valley / the city, just about every area except north of the GG bridge.
Now get back to eating CCP wart encrusted buttholes.
https://www.newsmax.com/finance/streettalk/president-xi-jinging-covid-19-south-african-variant-omicron-world-health-organization-who/2021/11/26/id/1046344/?fbclid=IwAR0SzX9A5yL9SzmpjSCvBp6Qxnj5rj_sluqpx3zU1qr6opmqJTdQiZwEF8E
MarquisdeSade1
11-27-21, 20:19
I am paid very well LMAO I'm sure they appreciate you think so LMAO.
I'm sorry I struck a nerve again and you had to stop eating buttholes to reply.
I've been to the bay many times over the last several yrs to see it 1st hand.
East bay / south bay / the valley / the city, just about every area except north of the GG bridge.
Now get back to eating CCP wart encrusted buttholes.
https://www.newsmax.com/finance/streettalk/president-xi-jinging-covid-19-south-african-variant-omicron-world-health-organization-who/2021/11/26/id/1046344/?fbclid=IwAR0SzX9A5yL9SzmpjSCvBp6Qxnj5rj_sluqpx3zU1qr6opmqJTdQiZwEF8EThe oligarchs used to source slaves from Afrika but that ended badly, so they pivoted to Central America for agriculture and Asia for the railroads.
Now its 2021 and not that much has changed they still source Central America for agriculture and Asia for low end tech needs.
That's why they fought our Lord and Savior so hard against Americas great wall, they have 3 billion dirt poor slaves in CCP land and India alone to source.
https://www.businessinsider.com/china-bridge-collapses-2012-8
Lets not even mention the dams hospitals and schools etc that collapse, quintessential cases of you get what you pay for GIGO.
Look at the big tech oligarchs and their wealth, all modern day slaveowners Zuckerburg Dorsey Gates et al.
Another reason why you shouldn't waste your time is because we had this same discussion about a year ago, hashed out thoroughly and with source citations, at least from some. Such are virtually non-existent from ShooBree and Elvis, probably because they are embarrassed of the places where they read. Surely laziness and incompetence play into it as well. But no one should feel compelled to do it all over again for a twerp in a basement in Sweden whose never been to Colombia, and only frequents the free for all threads where his posts won't get deleted.
The bottom line is that "lockdowns" or written laws are meaningless without effective enforcement and compliance. He operates with the assumption that these laws are well enforced and obeyed, a fallacy on it's face as it assumes "facts" not entered into evidence, thus his questions are loaded. Not surprisingly for anyone who has been to Latin America, there's been plenty of weak enforcement and non-compliance there. Other factors also enter the equation, such as population density, modes of transportation, the makeup of households which are often multi-generational in Latin America, food sourcing, gig economies etc. Etc. And this leap from Sweden to Peru is all a red herring to turn attention away from Sweden's poor Covid performance when measured against their Nordic neighbors who represent similar societies. The immigrant (Blacks and Arabs) card has been played but it fails as Denmark and Norway have similar rates of immigration from Africa and the Middle East..Paulie the Dunning Kruger Effect personified, Paulie the liar, Paulie the deranged weirdo, Paulie the mad stalker, Paulie the basement dweller, Paulie the fact resistent retard, is at it again.
Of course he and his only "friends", aka the other pathetic internet weirdos trolling this site, never produced anything that wasn't easy to rebuttal. All Paulie does is it to lie and fantasize, I guess that is normal for the scared little basement dweller.
Paulie even admits in his own post that I'm right, lockdowns do not work. Hes just too stupid and confused to understand that its irrelevant if it works in theory if it doesn't work in the real world. We have stats on it, the lockdowns failed.
What Paulie fails to understand is that I'm talking about what's actually happening, while he goes on and on with his "could: s" and "if: s". Sorry, but I don't give a fuck about what works in Paulies irrelevant fantasies.
What's needed is an approach based on precision and an understanding of the people's mentality.
The lockdowns failed to do so, it caused more harm than good. The lockdowns only satisfied the scared (aka Paulie) and the need for the incompetent politicians to look like they were doing something.
The actions were based on fear, populism and incompetence.
People don't need laws to adjust their behaviour and they will easily break the laws if they don't agree with them. Just look at the legalization of marijuana or how many that are breaking the speed-limits.
Too bad Paulie the retarded can't read, otherwise he would have seen that I compared Peru with Brazil and Colombia, not Sweden. Another lie from Paulie the deranged weirdo.
Sweden managed this way better than most countries, less deaths / capita than other EU-countries which implemented lockdowns. Paulie the Ugly USAn is pretty much the perfect example of the Ugly American, hes an uneducated loudmouth with preconceived opinions. What he says has nothing to do with reality, it's all just based on his crazy fantasies and prejudice.
I feel sorry for those who got imprisoned by their politicians, I feel even more sorry föare Paulie the deranged basement dweller whose life is so pathetic that he wants to be imprisoned in his home by the politicians.
Its rather distateful to read his ugly racist remarks pretending that all Scandinavian countries are the same. Paulie is a brain dead racist. There are many differences between the countries and it's obvious for anyone who actually wants to know, instead of just pretending like Paulie the deranged racist.
Paulie is extremely selfish and scared of the little Covid-virus, probably because hes a fatso with health problems.
Its funny how that asshole lies about me while we have yet to see him do any post on the actual topic of this site.
Elvis 2008
11-28-21, 00:13
Paulie the liar, Paulie the deranged weirdo, Paulie the mad stalker, Paulie the basement dweller, Paulie the fact resistent retard, is at it again.
Paulie even admits in his own post that I'm right, lockdowns do not work. Hes just too stupid and confused to understand that its irrelevant if it works in theory if it doesn't work in the real world. We have stats on it, the lockdowns failed.
What Paulie fails to understand is that I'm talking about what's actually happening, while he goes on and on with his "could: s" and "if: s". Sorry, but I don't give a fuck about what works in Paulies irrelevant fantasies.
What's needed is an approach based on precision and an understanding of the people's mentality.
The lockdowns failed to do so, it caused more harm than good. The lockdowns only satisfied the scared (aka Paulie) and the need for the incompetent politicians to look like they were doing something.
The actions were based on fear, populism and incompetence.
People don't need laws to adjust their behaviour and they will easily break the laws if they don't agree with them. Just look at the legalization of marijuana or how many that are breaking the speed-limits.
Too bad Paulie the retarded can't read, otherwise he would have seen that I compared Peru with Brazil and Colombia, not Sweden. Another lie from Paulie the deranged weirdo..That is an epic post, SB. Hopefully, Paulie crawls back into his hole and does not climb back out. Thing is the Democratic douches were upset I was not playing with them in the American politics forum, so they had to come over here and stir up shit. The American Politics form resembled the talking heads on MSNBC.
As you said the lockdowns do not work, and I am reading the book "What really happened in Wuhan" and guess who said travel bans do not work? Fauci, yes Lord Fauci.
You are right about the racism part too. Thing about the Democratic douches is they only criticize white people which means they are the biggest racists of all. Hence, all the hatred for Sweden and the Republicans but China? Nah, attacking them is racist. So the CCP, the fuckers who are the most guilty party of all, get a complete pass from the Democratic douches.
I think it really is time we start looking at cutting the checks going out to these douches. They are so fucking bored they have to come onto a hooker board and stir up shit. Have you seen any Republican retards come here and start stirring up shit about abortion or Jesus?
I actually do not like discussing this, but let's be real. When it came to mongering, there is no question that Trump had a much more friendly travel policy than Biden but if you are a Democrat, you are so fucked in the head you cannot even say it let alone think it. That is how fucking deranged these people are.
Paulie .......... Paulie......, Paulie......, Paulie......., Paulie......., Paulie......., is at it again..[/B]Hey Shoe Breezey. You really seem to have a man-crush on Paulie. In your rant you used his name 16 times (unless I missed some others). WoW! You might consider moving on. I don't think he's all that interested.
But I suspect that Elvis and Marquis may be interested.
Oh and as to your last screech of a comment. I've read many posts from Paulie on Medellin and the state of the hobby here. Oddly enough I've never read anything from you. Can you explain that? Have you ever been to Medellin? Can you find it on a map? Can you afford to fly over here?
You know, maybe you should just stick with the Germany FKK Club - Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus! section. You seem to be winning the contest for biggest jerk over there.
MarquisdeSade1
11-28-21, 02:00
This is why the USA is done. Our forefathers knew we were done once people could vote themselves money..I love your posts and hate to disagree, but.
What about when turds like GW Bush sent $300 tax rebates to the poor.
And $10 million to turds like Cheney the Kochs Bozo et al?
SawZonaNorte
11-28-21, 09:31
Because it has already been proven false. Israel was the most vaccinated country on earth a few weeks ago and had higher cases per capita than anyone. You are mis-stating the data about Israel "a few weeks ago" that was so absurdly misunderstood by those many who can't understand simple math.
But here is the problem. https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20211122/us-covid-deaths-2021-surpass-2020-total.
The number of COVID-19 deaths recorded so far in 2021 has surpassed the total for 2020, according to the latest data from Johns Hopkins University.
Overall, more than 771,000 COVID-19 deaths have been reported in the USA During the pandemic. About 385,000 were reported in 2020, according to CDC data, and more than 386,000 have been reported this year.
Want to explain that?Good job at cherry-picking meaningless data. You wouldn't be any further off if you cited the USA having had more Covid deaths than has Barbados, as being truly indicative of anything.
You fail to add the following:
USA 2020: approximately 346,687 Covid deaths.
USA 2021 through Nov 26: approximately 439,700 covid deaths.
USA 2020: approximately 20,037,736 confirmed cases.
USA 2021 through Nov. 26: approximately 28,148,237 confirmed cases (which is 1. 40476 times as many cases as there were in 2020).
So now, if you have any common sense, you multiply 1. 40476 by the number of last year's deaths.
Only then can you fairly compare what is this year's 439,700 YTD deaths to the new number, which is 487,012.
Then magnify it all by so much more of the world having been so much more immobilized during Covid times in 2020 than has been the case in 2021. (it is impossible to fully represent the fact that a far higher percentage of the stupid people are the ones being so affected {and Infected} in 2021 than was the case in 2020).
Say nothing of the extremely obvious snowball effect where there were almost zero USA Covid deaths for the first 2 months of 2020, while 2021 has already had 11 solid months of widespread Covid, and yet, with vaccines and masks, the percentages are markedly better in 2021 than they were in 2020.
Furthermore, the up-to-the-day 28-day-moving-averages of Covid deaths are trending downward in the USA even as the newsmedia trumpets all of the talk about the brand new, scary variant from South Africa.
Not to mention that you have no way to fairly compare the difference between Covid having been allowed to rampage the USA fully unchecked (sans masks or vaccines) to what we have now, which is approximately the following:
The stupid people shunning all forms of Covid defense and gathering willy-nilly amongst themselves in pre-Covid stupid form, while at the same time a giant percentage of the rest of the population is wearing masks, and cutting way back on human contact, particularly that which is unnecessary.
One need only sort the USA States by % of Covid infections to clearly understand this statistical reality. Then it might become more clear if you cross-reference that list to the typical Presidential election map.
At the end of the big, multi-faceted equation, the only clear conclusion is that the stupid people will never understand. (which plagues society today much as it has since the beginning of time).
Hey Shoe Breezey. You really seem to have a man-crush on Paulie. In your rant you used his name 16 times (unless I missed some others). WoW! You might consider moving on. I don't think he's all that interested.
But I suspect that Elvis and Marquis may be interested.
Oh and as to your last screech of a comment. I've read many posts from Paulie on Medellin and the state of the hobby here. Oddly enough I've never read anything from you. Can you explain that? Have you ever been to Medellin? Can you find it on a map? Can you afford to fly over here?
You know, maybe you should just stick with the Germany FKK Club - Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus! section. You seem to be winning the contest for biggest jerk over there.Naawww, its so cute to see you trying to defend your boyfriend, Paulie the creepy stalker.
I like that you skipped doing your failed arguments and instead jumped right to the lying and personal attacks. Surely both you and Paulie are both stalkers and mentally challenged, but somehow you manages to be even dumber than him. Its kinda impressive.
If you're too lazy and / or stupid to find my posts you're only making a fool out of yourself.
No offense to Colombia, been there twice, but its a lowbudget place which brings too many trashy USAns. There are better places to go to, or what do you think of Brazil and the UAE? More to see and do, and most importantly less US trash. I've also just recently discovered this lowkey, USAn free mongering destination. Its perfect May to October, but you probably can't even afford the flight to get there.
I'm still waiting for you to share the source of how "Those higher paying jobs that you are crowing about are largely with American companies". You really know how to make yourself look stupid.
Around 100% of your posts consists of questions, lies, personal attacks and irrelevant blablabla.
You're an pathetic old geezer who belongs in a nursing home. Or insane asylum.
MarquisdeSade1
11-28-21, 19:58
Hillary Clinton is one of the smartest people that ever ran for President of the US. So why did she lose? She is unattractive and extremely unlikeable. In American politics smarts can not overcome being generally unattractive and unlikeable.Does Villany the vagina have a real vagina or a backdoor substitute?
What kind of pus oozing feminist would write on a hooker board that Hillary is the sooper smartest ever ever LMAO are you fucking kidding me.
He lost because he's dumb, like you.
He had the global media at her back 24/7 attacking our Lord and Savior and still lost.
He lost to the most unpopular opponent ever because he's a low IQ mental midget.
Hes never had a real job, he married a redneck from the south, because nobody from Chicago would ever want him.
Does Hillary have XY or XX?
Lets see Bubba got him a job at the Rose Law Firm where he defended a child molester, is that why you admire Hillary?
Other than that, that was just another ghost payroll gig.
Sen from NY LOL look who they have now that low IQ Kirsten G from cow shit to dog shit.
Sec of State under the other guy she lost to Barry Hussein ROTFLMFAO!
Hey Shoe Breezey. You really seem to have a man-crush on Paulie. In your rant you used his name 16 times (unless I missed some others). WoW! You might consider moving on. I don't think he's all that interested.
But I suspect that Elvis and Marquis may be interested.
Oh and as to your last screech of a comment. I've read many posts from Paulie on Medellin and the state of the hobby here. Oddly enough I've never read anything from you. Can you explain that? Have you ever been to Medellin? Can you find it on a map? Can you afford to fly over here?
You know, maybe you should just stick with the Germany FKK Club - Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus! section. You seem to be winning the contest for biggest jerk over there.I responded to the Euro twerp for about six months, which was generous of me given that he only spins fallacies and has no ability to engage in genuine debate. I can say the same for Elvis, thus I also for the most part stopped bothering with his posts. But looks like I certainly kicked the beehive and good, as the gang is all here, JustTK, Marquis de Twat, Elvis, Shoo Swede, but where is Pedro Morales? The tool that talks about Big Mac eaters in the states even though Europe is littered with Mickey DS franchises.
But yea Covid is a respiratory illness passed through aerosols thus masks and social distancing hinder the spread, duh. As does staying out of crowded indoors environments full of maskless people, duh. Is amazing all the gymnastics right wing nut media will go through to try and obfuscate these obvious but inconvenient facts. Hey no one is enjoying this pandemic, but do like most of the rest of us, grow a pair and accept it for what it is.
BTW has anyone met any of these guys on the ground in Medellin? I speak of JustTK, Marquis de Twat, Elvis, Shoo Bree or Pedro? De Twat has been caught in some lies so we know he's never been to Colombia. As to the rest, who knows? There's plenty enough information posted in ISG for someone to use to pretend they have been to some of these countries.
You are mis-stating the data about Israel "a few weeks ago" that was so absurdly misunderstood by those many who can't understand simple math.
Good job at cherry-picking meaningless data. You wouldn't be any further off if you cited the USA having had more Covid deaths than has Barbados, as being truly indicative of anything.
You fail to add the following:
USA 2020: approximately 346,687 Covid deaths.
USA 2021 through Nov 26: approximately 439,700 covid deaths.
USA 2020: approximately 20,037,736 confirmed cases.
USA 2021 through Nov. 26: approximately 28,148,237 confirmed cases (which is 1. 40476 times as many cases as there were in 2020)...You corrected a series of non-sequiturs from the logical fallacy specialist, Elvis, who spends his days here twisting himself in knots. He's a mediocre tool of right wing nut propaganda and doesn't even know it.
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Non-Sequitur
As to your final point, here it is.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109004/coronavirus-covid19-cases-rate-us-americans-by-state/
I responded to the Euro twerp for about six months, which was generous of me given that he only spins fallacies and has no ability to engage in genuine debate. I can say the same for Elvis, thus I also for the most part stopped bothering with his posts. But looks like I certainly kicked the beehive and good, as the gang is all here, JustTK, Marquis de Twat, Elvis, Shoo Swede, but where is Pedro Morales? The tool that talks about Big Mac eaters in the states even though Europe is littered with Mickey DS franchises.
But yea Covid is a respiratory illness passed through aerosols thus masks and social distancing hinder the spread, duh. As does staying out of crowded indoors environments full of maskless people, duh. Is amazing all the gymnastics right wing nut media will go through to try and obfuscate these obvious but inconvenient facts. Hey no one is enjoying this pandemic, but do like most of the rest of us, grow a pair and accept it for what it is.
BTW has anyone met any of these guys on the ground in Medellin? I speak of JustTK, Marquis de Twat, Elvis, Shoo Bree or Pedro? De Twat has been caught in some lies so we know he's never been to Colombia. As to the rest, who knows? There's plenty enough information posted in ISG for someone to use to pretend they have been to some of these countries.We all know that Paulie is a compulsive liar and fantasist. He will ignore all the facts presented against his fictitious lies since hes an fact resistant egomaniac and then pretend as if he wasn't disproved for the millionth time.
We all know that Paulie is still hiding in the basement, terrified of Covid-19. He's a loser that never travelled anywhere and even less contributed with anything of value to this forum.
MarquisdeSade1
11-29-21, 14:49
I responded to the Euro twerp for about six months, which was generous of me given that he only spins fallacies and has no ability to engage in genuine debate. I can say the same for Elvis, thus I also for the most part stopped bothering with his posts. But looks like I certainly kicked the beehive and good, as the gang is all here, JustTK, Marquis de Twat, Elvis, Shoo Swede, but where is Pedro Morales? The tool that talks about Big Mac eaters in the states even though Europe is littered with Mickey DS franchises.
But yea Covid is a respiratory illness passed through aerosols thus masks and social distancing hinder the spread, duh. As does staying out of crowded indoors environments full of maskless people, duh. Is amazing all the gymnastics right wing nut media will go through to try and obfuscate these obvious but inconvenient facts. Hey no one is enjoying this pandemic, but do like most of the rest of us, grow a pair and accept it for what it is.
BTW has anyone met any of these guys on the ground in Medellin? I speak of JustTK, Marquis de Twat, Elvis, Shoo Bree or Pedro? De Twat has been caught in some lies so we know he's never been to Colombia. As to the rest, who knows? There's plenty enough information posted in ISG for someone to use to pretend they have been to some of these countries.https://amgreatness.com/2021/10/26/the-left-is-everything-they-hate/
Stop projecting, I don't lie, lying is for sick losers.
Ala Paulie IMing me to avoid MDE so I don't get kidnapped for ransom or held indefinitely to do daily ATM withdrawals.
You said I was caught in lies? Well you're a lying POS because I don't lie.
You "brag" to be a door to door grifter conning senior citizens in veteran communities of their last extra pennnies.
You are scum of the earth and you try to pull down others, sorry dirtbag.
You're cover has been blown, you are a criminal and I'm guessing an Ex-con.
Elvis 2008
11-29-21, 16:10
You are mis-stating the data about Israel "a few weeks ago" that was so absurdly misunderstood by those many who can't understand simple math.https://www.aa.com.tr/en/latest-on-coronavirus-outbreak/israel-leads-world-in-average-of-new-daily-covid-cases-per-capita-study/2352018
Israel recorded the highest number of coronavirus cases per capita over the past week, according to data published Tuesday by Oxford University Press. The country overtook Montenegro and Georgia with an average of 1,013 new daily cases per million people over a week, figures by Our World in Data showed.
What the hell does math have to do with that?
You fail to add the following:
USA 2020: approximately 346,687 Covid deaths.
USA 2021 through Nov 26: approximately 439,700 covid deaths.
USA 2020: approximately 20,037,736 confirmed cases.
USA 2021 through Nov. 26: approximately 28,148,237 confirmed cases (which is 1. 40476 times as many cases as there were in 2020)..I am not quite sure what your point is. It looks to me like you are a Democratic douche trying to prove me wrong. The irony is your presentation of the data supports the point that I was trying to make namely that vaccines are not that effective. If the vaccine worked, cases and deaths in 2021 should have been down not up.
At the end of the big, multi-faceted equation, the only clear conclusion is that the stupid people will never understand. (which plagues society today much as it has since the beginning of time).I think what you are trying to say is that if not for "the stupid people" which I guess means Republicans and their noncompliance the pandemic would be over by now.
Thing is that if you are doing forecasting models and do not account for "stupid people" or noncompliance, you yourself are stupid.
So you might want to turn down that MSNBC, get the Washington Post from your face, and try something different like you know writing coherent sentences that actually have a point.
Good job at cherry-picking meaningless data. You wouldn't be any further off if you cited the USA having had more Covid deaths than has Barbados, as being truly indicative of anything.
You fail to add the following:
USA 2020: approximately 346,687 Covid deaths.
USA 2021 through Nov 26: approximately 439,700 covid deaths.
USA 2020: approximately 20,037,736 confirmed cases.
USA 2021 through Nov. 26: approximately 28,148,237 confirmed cases (which is 1. 40476 times as many cases as there were in 2020).
So now, if you have any common sense, you multiply 1. 40476 by the number of last year's deaths.
Only then can you fairly compare what is this year's 439,700 YTD deaths to the new number, which is 487,012. ...You epitomize the saying "figures don't lie, but liars figure". With your fuzzy logic, having more confirmed cases is making progress. I will counter that the reason for the decrease in ratio of deaths to cases is because of medical advancements in treatments and weakening of the virus variants. If the number of cases had stayed the same or decreased, look at how many fewer deaths we would have had this year. In one respect, having more cases is a good thing because that means more people are becoming immune. But you are probably of the mindset that the only immunization is the shot.
You epitomize the saying "figures don't lie, but liars figure". With your fuzzy logic, having more confirmed cases is making progress. I will counter that the reason for the decrease in ratio of deaths to cases is because of medical advancements in treatments and weakening of the virus variants. If the number of cases had stayed the same or decreased, look at how many fewer deaths we would have had this year. In one respect, having more cases is a good thing because that means more people are becoming immune. But you are probably of the mindset that the only immunization is the shot.The liar and the fuzzy one here is you, as from the beginning you've opposed all Covid mitigation measures. You've also claimed without proof that US hospitals were cooking Covid numbers to rip off Medicare, implying it's all a hoax. In a word you've bought the whole right wing nut narrative each step of the way and have the t-shirt to prove it.
The poster's logic was clear, as Elvis attempted to downplay the usefulness of mitigation measures by noting the increase in USA Covid deaths in 2021 over 2020. It was then shown that case numbers have also increased. Other variables were indicated, including the fact that the pandemic didn't get going until late March of 2020, plus there has been far more mobility among the population in 2021. As to his final point, red states lead the way in confirmed cases per 100 K population since the start of the pandemic, so you and your other Trump buttboys with your lack of cooperation are a big part of the problem.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109004/coronavirus-covid19-cases-rate-us-americans-by-state/
Masks and social distancing work, as does avoiding indoor environments with crowds of people not wearing masks. For after all, it's a respiratory disease passed through aerosols. Duh. Why do you insist on making a fool of yourself avoiding the obvious?
SawZonaNorte made another good point, that it's impossible to know how many cases and deaths we would have seen thus far without mitigation measures and the many Americans who have chosen to comply and use masks and social distance. Given what we know about how the disease is spread, plus laboratory studies showing the efficacy of masks, the numbers would surely be much higher. So there's another clear point from SawZonaNorte that Funluvr, in his eagerness to preserve his worldview, chose to ignore.
You epitomize the saying "figures don't lie, but liars figure". With your fuzzy logic, having more confirmed cases is making progress. I will counter that the reason for the decrease in ratio of deaths to cases is because of medical advancements in treatments and weakening of the virus variants.One cannot even label it as cherry picking, bcos the evidence he presented does not even support his case. Q estupido! As you say, there are so many variables that he just disregards that his claim has more holes than a slice of Gouda. All the arguments you presented, plus greater immunity in the public at large, changes in the process of reporting of cases, changes in attitudes to report, variations in excess deaths. Really, any stat based on case numbers is just so flimsy as to be laughable.
BlackThought
11-29-21, 21:36
https://amgreatness.com/2021/10/26/the-left-is-everything-they-hate/
Stop projecting, I don't lie, lying is for sick losers.
Ala Paulie IMing me to avoid MDE so I don't get kidnapped for ransom or held indefinitely to do daily ATM withdrawals.
You said I was caught in lies? Well you're a lying POS because I don't lie.
You "brag" to be a door to door grifter conning senior citizens in veteran communities of their last extra pennnies.
You are scum of the earth and you try to pull down others, sorry dirtbag.
You're cover has been blown, you are a criminal and I'm guessing an Ex-con.You steal photos from blogs. You dodge and deflect when asked to prove you've Mongered in places you claim by showing stamps on your passport. You claim to have met several ISG mongers, yet nobody can confirm. Who are you fooling? Lolol.
Elvis 2008
11-29-21, 21:38
You epitomize the saying "figures don't lie, but liars figure". With your fuzzy logic, having more confirmed cases is making progress. I will counter that the reason for the decrease in ratio of deaths to cases is because of medical advancements in treatments and weakening of the virus variants. If the number of cases had stayed the same or decreased, look at how many fewer deaths we would have had this year.Great post FL! So if the vaccine lived up to its 95% efficacy and seeing as how we are about 60% vaccinated, the number of cases should have gone from about 20 million to about 10 million. Furthermore, as people were vaccinated, the number of cases should have gone down in direct correlation to how many were vaccinated, I. E. Fewer cases in October than March. That did not happen.
And the most vaccinated countries in the world (Israel, Ireland, and Gibraltar) should have seen near complete eradication of the virus. Instead they have all dealt with new severe outbreaks requiring lockdowns.
So what did Fauci and the "scientists" do? The same thing the "scientists" who spoke of global warming did. They changed the name. For global warming, it was "scientists" changing the name to climate change when the earth quit heating up and here the focus was not on percent effectiveness with stopping new cases but preventing death and hospitalization. You are 11 X less likely to die if vaccinated they say.
I do not get that last part because if we have more deaths in 2021 and over half the population is vaccinated and the death rates are higher in 2021, the only way those numbers add up is if the unvaccinated had to deal with a virus like 11 X more potent right?
What we paid for and what we were sold on were the vaccines were 95% effective at preventing new cases. Well, they were not 95 nor 60 nor 35% effective, they were 0% effective. And I do not think you can dismiss the possibility they were negative. The vaccine is supposed to affect the course of the virus. Well, who says it cannot do that in a negative fashion? Gibraltar is 99% vaccinated and they are dealing with an outbreak so bad they had to shut down.
Thing is that the vaccine worked great for the first 3 or so months after it was made available and then it failed. Now it will be interesting to see if that Israeli data showing natural immunity is so much better will hold true in the next few years. If it is, things could be much worse for the vaccinated who were never infected.
Can you imagine if the vaccine manufacturers could be sued though? We paid billions for a vaccine that did not work as advertised. There were no reduction in cases at all and yet the Democratic douches keep falling all over themselves insisting that the vaccine prevents transmission. Unfucking real!
"Rate of coronavirus (COVID-19) cases in the United States as of November 26,2021, by state (per 100,000 people). ".
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109004/coronavirus-covid19-cases-rate-us-americans-by-state/
Taking up the head, with few exceptions is your strong red states. Taking the up the tail with very few exceptions is your super leftist states. Has Fox, Newsmax, or any aspiring right wingnuts on Youtube told you this? Have they, or will they ever make you aware of this data? No they are only going to tell you about a few red states up north that are currently experiencing an expected surge due to cold weather and more indoor activity, while skipping the big picture which is most damning to them, their people, and their lies and slanted reporting. Anyway here's three screen shots showing the data. Yea masks, social distancing, and vaccines help a lot. Yes, compliance with the recommendations of virtually every contagious diseases specialist (not opthamologists) has born fruit. Now sing, dance, twist yourselves in knots. This discussion is over as far as I'm concerned.
Elvis 2008
11-30-21, 04:27
Taking up the head, with few exceptions is your strong red states. Taking the up the tail with very few exceptions is your super leftist states. Has Fox, Newsmax, or any aspiring right wingnuts on Youtube told you this? Have they, or will they ever make you aware of this data? No they are only going to tell you about a few red states up north that are currently experiencing an expected surge due to cold weather and more indoor activity, while skipping the big picture which is most damning to them, their people, and their lies and slanted reporting. Anyway here's three screen shots showing the data. Yea masks, social distancing, and vaccines help a lot. Yes, compliance with the recommendations of virtually every contagious diseases specialist (not opthamologists) has born fruit. Now sing, dance, twist yourselves in knots. This discussion is over as far as I'm concerned.LOL. There was never a discussion with you. All it takes is to expand the data to show you are full of shit. Here you go douche: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51235105.
Look at the graphs. Europe is in a massive upswing while SA, and North America, the Middle East, and Asia are down. Why is that douche? A Republican convention in Europe? Europeans quit using masks? And why the down trend in South America after they loosened up?
"I am not answering you Elvis." Well how about answering the data douche?
Look at world wide cases. Despite the vaccine, social distancing, and masks ETC, the TOTAL number of world cases has gone from 84 million at the end of 2020 to 258 million. That is an increase of 174 million so 2021 has more than double the number of cases as 2020, and we are not even done with this year yet. This data is what you and every contagious disease specialist define as "bearing fruit"? You are so fucking stupid you are running around declaring victory when it is clear you do not know what the fuck you are talking about. If you and the contagious disease specialists are proud of these numbers, you should be hung.
So that was the goal of the global lockdowns, a doubling of cases in 2021? Yeesh. We destroyed the world economy for nothing.
Okay, douche, put your money where your mouth is: how many cases will there be in 2022, and what do you define as success? Show everyone how gutless you are and do not answer the question.
Here's something on the growing blue / red divide in vaccination status. See attachments. It's very clear who the problem is here, and what their problem is, irrespective of what state they happen to live in.
https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/poll-finding/importance-of-partisanship-predicting-vaccination-status/
Their heads are implanted up in their colons watching Fox and Newsmax.
And the most vaccinated countries in the world (Israel, Ireland, and Gibraltar) should have seen near complete eradication of the virus. Instead they have all dealt with new severe outbreaks requiring lockdowns.Israel and Ireland are the most vaccinated countries in the world? Simply not even close to being true.
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations This is just one source, the rest that I looked at all say the same thing.
Cuba is far more heavily vaccinated than Ireland or Israel (just to give one example).
I agree Gibraltar is heavily vaccinated but sheesh there are only 33,000 people living there. Hell, Elvis my family has more cousins than that.
I understand you have your looney tunes arguments to make and facts and statistics just get in the way. So you make up your own.
I know. I know. I must be a Democratic douche. Afterall I believe in math, statistics and science; and I don't believe in the latest ravings from the Elvis school of make-believe.
Great post FL! So if the vaccine lived up to its 95% efficacy and seeing as how we are about 60% vaccinated, the number of cases should have gone from about 20 million to about 10 million. Furthermore, as people were vaccinated, the number of cases should have gone down in direct correlation to how many were vaccinated, I. E. Fewer cases in October than March. That did not happen.
And the most vaccinated countries in the world (Israel, Ireland, and Gibraltar) should have seen near complete eradication of the virus. Instead they have all dealt with new severe outbreaks requiring lockdowns.
So what did Fauci and the "scientists" do? The same thing the "scientists" who spoke of global warming did. They changed the name. For global warming, it was "scientists" changing the name to climate change when the earth quit heating up and here the focus was not on percent effectiveness with stopping new cases but preventing death and hospitalization. You are 11 X less likely to die if vaccinated they say.
I do not get that last part because if we have more deaths in 2021 and over half the population is vaccinated and the death rates are higher in 2021, the only way those numbers add up is if the unvaccinated had to deal with a virus like 11 X more potent right?..Everyone on this board knows that you are an anti-science, anti-vax, anti-everything RethugliKKKan.
You were probably cheering when, at one of the former guy's post-election-loss propaganda events, he was booed when he suggested to the "crowd" that they get vaccinated. 74 million Americans were duped in 2020 and they are too ignorant to realize it.
Mr Enternational
11-30-21, 16:30
Patience folks. Your new jabs are coming soon.
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/moderna-ceo-says-vaccines-likely-less-effective-against-omicron-ft-2021-11-30/
ScatManDoo
11-30-21, 18:15
So what did Fauci and the "scientists" do? The same thing the "scientists" who spoke of global warming did. They changed the name. For global warming, it was "scientists" changing the name to climate change when the earth quit heating upAs usual, you are flat out wrong.
Unfortunately the earth's temperature continues to rise.
What fake news reports the earth has stopped heating up?
The truth is that our planet is still getting warmer.
IPCC climate report: Earth is warmer than it's been in 125,000 years.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02179-1
MarquisdeSade1
11-30-21, 21:34
LOL. There was never a discussion with you. All it takes is to expand the data to show you are full of shit. Here you go douche: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51235105.
Look at the graphs. Europe is in a massive upswing while SA, and North America, the Middle East, and Asia are down. Why is that douche? A Republican convention in Europe? Europeans quit using masks? And why the down trend in South America after they loosened up?
"I am not answering you Elvis." Well how about answering the data douche?
Look at world wide cases. Despite the vaccine, social distancing, and masks ETC, the TOTAL number of world cases has gone from 84 million at the end of 2020 to 258 million. That is an increase of 174 million so 2021 has more than double the number of cases as 2020, and we are not even done with this year yet. This data is what you and every contagious disease specialist define as "bearing fruit"? You are so fucking stupid you are running around declaring victory when it is clear you do not know what the fuck you are talking about. If you and the contagious disease specialists are proud of these numbers, you should be hung.
So that was the goal of the global lockdowns, a doubling of cases in 2021? Yeesh. We destroyed the world economy for nothing.
Okay, douche, put your money where your mouth is: how many cases will there be in 2022, and what do you define as success? Show everyone how gutless you are and do not answer the question.How much of the global spread of the CCP plague is attributable to the "PPE" they are selling? ROTFLMFAO.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/30/health/covid-masks-counterfeit-fake.html?fbclid=IwAR3HATr69mA4yPARp_NxNfKuRkMrUkisE4u4IEphwct2qDEm0d-l8_JOc5Y
Not unlike the vax they were selling which was made from sewer water.
How much of the global spread of the CCP plague is attributable to the "PPE" they are selling? ROTFLMFAO.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/30/health/covid-masks-counterfeit-fake.html?fbclid=IwAR3HATr69mA4yPARp_NxNfKuRkMrUkisE4u4IEphwct2qDEm0d-l8_JOc5Y
When are you going to realise that no one can read your linked articles? Who TF would make a subsrcription to the NYT?
MarquisdeSade1
12-01-21, 03:57
Great post FL! So if the vaccine lived up to its 95% efficacy and seeing as how we are about 60% vaccinated, the number of cases should have gone from about 20 million to about 10 million. Furthermore, as people were vaccinated, the number of cases should have gone down in direct correlation to how many were vaccinated, I. E. Fewer cases in October than March. That did not happen.
And the most vaccinated countries in the world (Israel, Ireland, and Gibraltar) should have seen near complete eradication of the virus. Instead they have all dealt with new severe outbreaks requiring lockdowns.
So what did Fauci and the "scientists" do? The same thing the "scientists" who spoke of global warming did. They changed the name. For global warming, it was "scientists" changing the name to climate change when the earth quit heating up and here the focus was not on percent effectiveness with stopping new cases but preventing death and hospitalization. You are 11 X less likely to die if vaccinated they say.
I do not get that last part because if we have more deaths in 2021 and over half the population is vaccinated and the death rates are higher in 2021, the only way those numbers add up is if the unvaccinated had to deal with a virus like 11 X more potent right?In the late 70's the media was screaming that the "scientists" were sounding the alarm that the next ice age was 10-20 yrs away.
Yes ice age? ROTFLMAO.
I am no expert on "climate science" but I can easily see it is a political issue.
With a large anti capitalism segment and I suspect a huge campaign from the CCP to con western countries.
To pass stricter environmental laws, so that it will be easier for everyone just to move all global manufacturing to lawless CCP land.
Politics and science don't mix well.
Case in point, the CCP plague of 2019.
Elvis 2008
12-01-21, 12:21
Israel and Ireland are the most vaccinated countries in the world? Simply not even close to being true.Your "source" did not even list those countries, and your list contains a number of heavily vaccinated countries in Europe getting pounded with Covid right now.
Let's get back to the question at hand. The cases of Covid have doubled in 2021 despite the vaccine. How many do you project in 2022 and how would you define success?
The thing we know about you douches is that no matter what the result is, you will bash Republicans as the cause of disease and death and praise "scientists" no matter what the data shows.
Afterall I believe in math, statistics and science; and I don't believe in the latest ravings from the Elvis school of make-believe.No, you do not. You use "scientists" to advance your political agenda and ignore data when it does not suit you.
I am not going to get into a debate on global warming / climate change. What I will say is that the theory is that rising CO2 leads to higher temperatures. Again, just like if the vaccine worked, we would see a linear decline in cases. The same should go with CO2 and temperature, higher CO2 leads to higher temps but when the data does not fit, you see all the bullshit excuses.
https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/GISSTemperature/giss_temperature4.php
Of greater concern to Hansen than global warming skeptics is the problem of global warming itself. If greenhouse gases are to blame then why did Earth's average temperature cool from 1940-1970? And why has the rate of global warming accelerated since 1978? Hansen's answers to these questions brought him full circle to where he began his investigation more than 40 years ago.
"I think the cooling that Earth experienced through the middle of the twentieth century was due in part to natural variability," he said. "But there's another factor made by humans which probably contributed, and could even be the dominant cause: aerosols."
https://www.winterwatch.net/2021/02/global-warming-industry-is-hiding-impending-cold-sun-dark-winter-phase/
The biggest driver of the Earth's climate is the Sun, not carbon emissions. The Sun controls 99.5% of climate, not trace CO2.
Climatologists have also theorized that Sun-spot activity follows cyclical trends. Right now, Sun-spot activity is very diminished and diminishing. This will rapidly manifest as colder weather. Furthermore, historic cyclical temperature patterns indicate the Earth is on schedule for a 30-years cooling trend, which will likely include four extreme troughs with virtually no Sun-spot activity, or cold so extreme that it's as though your thermostat shuts down in the winter.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2018/04/26/global-temperatures-have-cooled-since-2016-heres-why-thats-normal/
The current cooling episode is mostly the result of a reversal of waters in the Tropical Pacific, which can modulate global temperature. Since the Pacific Ocean is our largest global body of water, what it does makes a big difference on global climate. Temperature anomalies hit record peaks in 2016 but have been sliding since then.
So after pounding home that rising CO2 leads to rising temperatures, we see the "scientists" reach for straws when the data does not go their way. The climate is totally dependent on CO2 levels except for natural variability, aerosols, the Pacific Ocean, and this just in, the sun.
The irony is that I am using your data and your "scientists" excuses when the data does not go their way. What else is there to do but just personally attack me and get involved in partisan politics?
MarquisdeSade1
12-01-21, 12:25
Great post FL! So if the vaccine lived up to its 95% efficacy and seeing as how we are about 60% vaccinated, the number of cases should have gone from about 20 million to about 10 million. Furthermore, as people were vaccinated, the number of cases should have gone down in direct correlation to how many were vaccinated, I. E. Fewer cases in October than March. That did not happen.
And the most vaccinated countries in the world (Israel, Ireland, and Gibraltar) should have seen near complete eradication of the virus. Instead they have all dealt with new severe outbreaks requiring lockdowns.
So what did Fauci and the "scientists" do? The same thing the "scientists" who spoke of global warming did. They changed the name. For global warming, it was "scientists" changing the name to climate change when the earth quit heating up and here the focus was not on percent effectiveness with stopping new cases but preventing death and hospitalization. You are 11 X less likely to die if vaccinated they say.
I do not get that last part because if we have more deaths in 2021 and over half the population is vaccinated and the death rates are higher in 2021, the only way those numbers add up is if the unvaccinated had to deal with a virus like 11 X more potent right?.No bueno.
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/covid-19-omicron-quarantine-variant/2021/11/30/id/1046827/
MarquisdeSade1
12-01-21, 12:34
https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/peter-navarro-vaccine-mandates-covid-19-pandemic/2021/11/30/id/1046826/
Your "source" did not even list those countries, and your list contains a number of heavily vaccinated countries in Europe getting pounded with Covid right now.https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
Seriously dude. I think most 3rd graders could figure out how to use the page. Here let me explain it so that even an 'Elvis' can understand it. You look at the chart. If you see a country is missing and you want to look at their information, you go down the list of countries and check the box and 'low and behold' it will mysteriously appear along with the data. I realize that is very complicated for someone from the 'Elvis School of Analysis'. It's a lot easier to just make up whatever you need to support your make-believe arguments.
No, you do not. You use "scientists" to advance your political agenda and ignore data when it does not suit you.
I am not going to get into a debate on global warming / climate change. All evidence to the contrary....given what follows
What I will say is that the theory is that rising CO2 leads to higher temperatures. Again, just like if the vaccine worked, we would see a linear decline in cases. The same should go with CO2 and temperature, higher CO2 leads to higher temps but when the data does not fit, you see all the bullshit excuses.
https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/GISSTemperature/giss_temperature4.php
Of greater concern to Hansen than global warming skeptics is the problem of global warming itself..Gee and foolish me. I thought you were only an expert on the Corona Virus and Epidemiology and Statistical Analysis. Little did I know you are an expert on Environmental Science too. Now if you could just learn to add and subtract and read. Maybe some of us would stop laughing at your hair-brained theories.
Mr Enternational
12-01-21, 20:31
So is everybody getting their vaccines now that they will probably be required? It's not official yet, but the writing is on the wall, that's where this thing is heading.
If not, you're running out of places that don't require vaccines.
Would you quit the hobby over it?
Just curious about people's viewpoints on this.My viewpoint is that you do not need a vaccine; you only need a vaccine card. Besides, they have said that the vaccine does not do much for the new strain, so what is the point?
SouthEaster
12-01-21, 21:14
So you are telling people to purchase fake documents and break laws individual countries have enacted to try to safeguard their populations? I normally am on the same page as you but not this one. This isn't getting a fake drivers license on Khao San road, this is potential illness or worse, and not just for the individual breaking said laws.
As for "they" saying vaccines are ineffective against the new strain. Well I keep a fairly keen eye out for developments and so far the jury is out on that. It may well turn out to be true but so far it falls under "misinformation", in other words bullshit.
My viewpoint is that you do not need a vaccine; you only need a vaccine card. Besides, they have said that the vaccine does not do much for the new strain, so what is the point?Actually it may turn out that if your going to get COVID, then Omicron is the strain to get, as there are reports surfacing that the symptoms are very mild for those catching that strain. Yet it's all speculation right now, so saying the current vaccines don't work well against it, or what I just stated, is all pure conjecture at this point.
NapataJohn
12-01-21, 22:51
My viewpoint is that you do not need a vaccine; you only need a vaccine card. Besides, they have said that the vaccine does not do much for the new strain, so what is the point?https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-biontech-boss-says-dont-freak-out-about-omicron-as-pfizer-vaccine-likely-to-protect-against-severe-disease-from-variant-12483481
"Rate of coronavirus (COVID-19) cases in the United States as of November 26,2021, by state (per 100,000 people). ".
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109004/coronavirus-covid19-cases-rate-us-americans-by-state/
Taking up the head, with few exceptions is your strong red states. Taking the up the tail with very few exceptions is your super leftist states. Has Fox, Newsmax, or any aspiring right wingnuts on Youtube told you this? Have they, or will they ever make you aware of this data? No they are only going to tell you about a few red states up north that are currently experiencing an expected surge due to cold weather and more indoor activity, while skipping the big picture which is most damning to them, their people, and their lies and slanted reporting. Anyway here's three screen shots showing the data. Yea masks, social distancing, and vaccines help a lot. Yes, compliance with the recommendations of virtually every contagious diseases specialist (not opthamologists) has born fruit. Now sing, dance, twist yourselves in knots. This discussion is over as far as I'm concerned.Screen Shot 2021-11-30 at 7. 02.36 PM. Jpg (126.9 KB).
This is from Worldometer. If you go there just click on the USA and then sort by cases by 1,000,000 persons to get a fair comparison. Guess what? Paulie was right and Elvis? Well Elvis is still in denial.
My viewpoint is that you do not need a vaccine; you only need a vaccine card. Besides, they have said that the vaccine does not do much for the new strain, so what is the point?Mr. E,
I respect your posts concerning the hobby on this board and others (Pattaya, Tijuana, etc.) but until you say that your an epidemiologist or have a background in genetic sequencing of viruses, IMHO, you should leave it to the experts. Those experts would not include you, me, or virtually anyone else on the board.
Actually, based on this Reuters report, vaccines are effective against the new Omicron strain based on early, preliminary results. And as others have pointed out, not one expert has said the vaccines are not effective. I haven't seen a report where any expert has made a claim. My suggestion to all. Keep a level head, get vaccinated, and enjoy the women of Medellin to the fullest, and let's leave the talk about vaccine effectiveness to people who actually know what they're talking about.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/omicron-present-five-nine-south-170208276.html
Mr Enternational
12-01-21, 23:34
So you are telling people to purchase fake documents and break laws individual countries have enacted to try to safeguard their populations? I normally am on the same page as you but not this one. This isn't getting a fake drivers license on Khao San road, this is potential illness or worse, and not just for the individual breaking said laws.Catch 22. Do you follow laws which have the propensity to change? Or do you do what you have to do? Reminds me when I interviewed for CIA officer and they asked a similar question. Well we all know all the things those guys do are not on the up and up, but are they to keep it to themselves? Are they to admit it to superiors? Are they going to hire someone that will straight up admit they will do what it takes, or someone that is adamant they will not go where the law does not allow?
As for "they" saying vaccines are ineffective against the new strain. Well I keep a fairly keen eye out for developments and so far the jury is out on that. It may well turn out to be true but so far it falls under "misinformation", in other words bullshit.Maybe you are overdue for lasik. Those keen eyes must have missed this one. Sure you do not have to believe me, but would you believe the boss of the vaccine company? Some thought he was full of shit the first time, but you are saying he is full of shit this time.
"The head of drugmaker Moderna (MRNA.O) said COVID-19 vaccines are unlikely to be as effective against the Omicron variant of the coronavirus"
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/moderna-ceo-says-vaccines-likely-less-effective-against-omicron-ft-2021-11-30/
Actually it may turn out that if your going to get COVID, then Omicron is the strain to get, as there are reports surfacing that the symptoms are very mild for those catching that strain. Yet it's all speculation right now, so saying the current vaccines don't work well against it, or what I just stated, is all pure conjecture at this point.Yep.. The Moderna CEO should stop it with his conjecture.
So you are telling people to purchase fake documents and break laws individual countries have enacted to try to safeguard their populations? I normally am on the same page as you but not this one. This isn't getting a fake drivers license on Khao San road, this is potential illness or worse, and not just for the individual breaking said laws.
As for "they" saying vaccines are ineffective against the new strain. Well I keep a fairly keen eye out for developments and so far the jury is out on that. It may well turn out to be true but so far it falls under "misinformation", in other words bullshit.And it's because of bullshit like this that this thing is harder to beat because selfish people want to do whatever they want to, without regard to anybody else. They don't want to get vaccinated, and will engage in fraud to have their cake and eat it too. We need to get more and more vaccine into the developing world is what we need to do, and people need to stop trying to beat the system, and instead do the right things so that the world can get back to like before this scourge of COVID.
PedroMorales
12-02-21, 01:19
The vaccines / boosters are not working. I know double jabbed who got Covid. I got Covid and am unvaxxed. But guess what? I am not going to be ig sporting events or drinking with thousands of others.
Some odd balls running the risk of jail and more with fake certs are not Typhoid Marys. So far, Africa has done Ok without Yankee vaccines (sic). No one needs the USA and their comfort blankets. No one needs Big Pharma for shtt like this.
You want to feed the word with Big Pharma poison. What are you, a retro Coca Cola ad?
What happened to all those Indians who dies with Covid? That is so yesterday. Now we are on the Zulu variant.
Mr Entertainment is taking his road. I am stocking up on dried foods with long shelf lives to minimize shopping trips / mingling with vaxxed morons.
Soon it will be winter in my life. I am preparing everything, even P4 P bonking. Not easy but that is how the deck has been shuffled.
Travel and other rules are changing too much so I have to shop local. Not pleasant and not cheap (or good).
And it's because of bullshit like this that this thing is harder to beat because selfish people want to do whatever they want to, without regard to anybody else. They don't want to get vaccinated, and will engage in fraud to have their cake and eat it too. We need to get more and more vaccine into the developing world is what we need to do, and people need to stop trying to beat the system, and instead do the right things so that the world can get back to like before this scourge of COVID.
The vaccines / boosters are not working. I know double jabbed who got Covid.I get tired of saying it, but no vaccine guarantees you from not getting the thing it's supposed to protect you from. That's not how any vaccine works. Vaccines can protect you from getting a particular illness, but there is always the chance of a break-through case. And when that happens, what the vaccine does is prevent the illness from being so virulent that it kills you. That's how all vaccines work. But of course, you can talk to people until you're blue in the face. They will just believe what they want to believe, and say stupid stuff like why should I get vaccinated when I'm not sick (slapping forehead)? The point of getting vaccinated is to protect you from getting sick at all, and if in the event you still do get sick (the exception and not the rule), then the thing won't be so virulent that it takes your life. It's undisputed that most of the folks who have been dying now are the unvaccinated. I have seen some of them on TV lying in their death beds. Wishing they had gotten vaccinated, and pleading with others to do so before it's too late. Yep. COVID isn't so bad. That is, until it kills you or somebody you care about.
Mr Enternational
12-02-21, 03:21
And it's because of bullshit like this that this thing is harder to beat because selfish people want to do whatever they want to, without regard to anybody else. They don't want to get vaccinated, and will engage in fraud to have their cake and eat it too. We need to get more and more vaccine into the developing world is what we need to do, and people need to stop trying to beat the system, and instead do the right things so that the world can get back to like before this scourge of COVID.Still nobody explains why the importance is put on having the vaccine instead of having the disease. Everybody knows that Jj got the vaccine and thereafter got the disease. Say if instead of leaving Colombia and going to the USA, he left Colombia and went to Peru. I have not gotten the vaccine, and I have not gotten covid. Yet, to enter Peru on the same plane as Jj, I would have had to show a test saying that I was negative, while he could have waltzed in with full blown covid by showing only his card.
So I am walking around selfish with no card and no covid, while he is allowed to go around selfless with a card and covid. He is a sick man praised and given the red carpet, while I am a healthy man shunned and told to get in the back of the bus. Make that make sense please.
"The head of drugmaker Moderna (MRNA.O) said COVID-19 vaccines are unlikely to be *** as *** effective against the Omicron variant of the coronavirus"..Does not mean the vaccines are INeffective.
Definitely go for the LASIK. And maybe throw the Golden Gate MBA away.
Still nobody explains why the importance is put on having the vaccine instead of having the disease. He is a sick man praised and given the red carpet, while I am a healthy man shunned and told to get in the back of the bus. Make that make sense please.Not sure which of these is most appropraite.
"It is always a much easier task to educate uneducated people than to re-educate the mis-educated. " - Herbert M. Shelton.
"The American people are free to do exactly what they are told. " - Ward Churchill.
Still nobody explains why the importance is put on having the vaccine instead of having the disease. Everybody knows that Jj got the vaccine and thereafter got the disease. Say if instead of leaving Colombia and going to the USA, he left Colombia and went to Peru. I have not gotten the vaccine, and I have not gotten covid. Yet, to enter Peru on the same plane as Jj, I would bave had to show a test saying that I was negative, while he could have waltzed in with full blown covid by showing only his card.
So I am walking around selfish with no card and no covid, while he is allowed to go around selfless with a card and covid. He is a sick man praised and given the red carpet, while I am a healthy man shunned and told to get in the back of the bus. Make that make sense please.In order to make sense, proof of vaccination (or proof of recovery from infection) and a recent negative test should be required. I understand that this is what they're doing in Germany at the moment (they call it 2 G), and to fly back to the States you have to be tested too (even citizens).
Not sure which of these is most appropraite.
"It is always a much easier task to educate uneducated people than to re-educate the mis-educated. " - Herbert M. Shelton.
"The American people are free to do exactly what they are told. " - Ward Churchill.Americans doing as they are told? Apparently not since 40% of Americans still aren't fully vaccinated. I guess whether or not you're doing as you're told depends on who you're listening to. I happen to be an extremely well-informed, well-educated person who takes my counsel from other well-informed, well-educated persons in their respective fields. And by the way in Mr. E's example, just because somebody else is doing something wrong doesn't mean that you too should go and do something wrong yourself. One still has a choice to make about doing the right thing or choosing to act fraudulently yourself. You know the saying. Two wrongs don't make a right!
MarquisdeSade1
12-02-21, 06:06
You steal photos from blogs. You dodge and deflect when asked to prove you've Mongered in places you claim by showing stamps on your passport. You claim to have met several ISG mongers, yet nobody can confirm. Who are you fooling? Lolol.Is that the best you can do? Make shit up like JJqusiamodo LMAO.
Like I'm going to show a self proclaimed obsessed anal wart licker my passport LMAO?
https://amgreatness.com/2021/12/01/third-worldizing-america/
He look, it looks just like Market St. 24/7/365.
"The American people are free to do exactly what they are told. " - Ward Churchill.Ward Churchill, disgraced former University of Colorado professor, was fired for lying about being Native American and for multiple incidents of plagiarism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward_Churchill
Elvis 2008
12-02-21, 06:26
So I am walking around selfish with no card and no covid, while he is allowed to go around selfless with a card and covid. He is a sick man praised and given the red carpet, while I am a healthy man shunned and told to get in the back of the bus. Make that make sense please..Sure, I will explain it. The Democratic douches put out that they care more about human life than Republicans. They then embraced the "scientists", and they have a relationship with the "scientists" where they look out for each other. So the "scientists" and the point and hate Dems point a finger at you and say, "he does not care about human life, and you should hate him" and they do.
The way you trap the douches is get them to reveal what the data should be. No one gets what it means when a vaccine is 95% effective so you have to define what that means and then get them to define what success is. When they cannot define that, you know you have won.
The Democratic douches do not care about what is right. They tell you what is right and then squeeze the data in to fit their beliefs. So they will blather on about how shitty the red states are and then have no answer for why Europe has cases surging right now. That is not "science" which is proving a theory but faith based religion.
So in 2021, the vaccine is rolled out and the number of worldwide cases doubled. Now can you imagine if they were cut in half? We would be hearing non stop how fucking great the vaccine is. So the vaccine is rolled out and cases double and that cannot be the fault of the vaccine? Why? Why can the vaccine only be good and not bad? Because the "scientists" say so?
So the vaccine data says you should NOT get the vaccine. It seems to me that the vaccinated are like JJ and spreading it around to other people particularly the unvaccinated.
60% of the USA is vaccinated. Other countries have more. What is success? What % reduction should there be if 60 or 80% of a population is vaccinated? If the "scientists" will not do that and all they can do is point a finger at the unvaccinated and say, "Vaccines would work if they got vaccinated", which is what they are doing, you know and I know they are full of shit. We know now that even if a country is 100% vaccinated, the virus will still spread.
So I would just ignore those who are trying to demonize you. They are just pointing a finger at you because they do not have the answer while proclaiming to the world that they do, So giving vaccines to everyone and vaccine mandates have already been proven not to work. The demonizing of the unvaccinated should stop, and it would but "scientists" would have to admit they made a mistake, and they never do.
The only thing certain about the virus data in 2022 is that like in 2021 the Democratic douches and their "science" buddies will declare victory no matter what the data shows.
"It is always a much easier task to educate uneducated people than to re-educate the mis-educated. " - Herbert M. Shelton.Another impressive source. A fake doctor, arrested and jailed multiple times for practicing medicine without a license, and starving people to death.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_M._Shelton
Still nobody explains why the importance is put on having the vaccine instead of having the disease.Sigh. Okay, I know you went to Golden Gate so I will try to keep it real simple. Asymptomatic transmission. You only think you don't have the disease. You are not sure. So, you're running around unvaccinated and not sure if you have the disease or not. Yes, vaccinated people can get the disease but it is less likely that they will. And, if they do, it is less likely they will be contagious.
Again, to review, currently the vast majority of people hospitalized with COVID are unvaccinated. The vast majority who are dying are unvaccinated. The rates of infection, symptoms, hospitalization, and death are all not just lower but much lower in the vaccinated population.
So now I have explained it to you. But, you're a proven selfish asshole and genuinely do not care. I really hope you get busted with your fake vax card.
Not sure which of these is most appropraite.
"It is always a much easier task to educate uneducated people than to re-educate the mis-educated. " - Herbert M. Shelton.
"The American people are free to do exactly what they are told. " - Ward Churchill."It is much usually much harder to get people to do the right thing / the social responsible thing rather than the selfish thing. " - Villainy.
JohnnyWalker55
12-02-21, 15:33
I get tired of saying it, but no vaccine guarantees you from not getting the thing it's supposed to protect you from. That's not how any vaccine works. Vaccines can protect you from getting a particular illness, but there is always the chance of a break-through case. And when that happens, what the vaccine does is prevent the illness from being so virulent that it kills you. That's how all vaccines work. But of course, you can talk to people until you're blue in the face. They will just believe what they want to believe, and say stupid stuff like why should I get vaccinated when I'm not sick (slapping forehead)? The point of getting vaccinated is to protect you from getting sick at all, and if in the event you still do get sick (the exception and not the rule), then the thing won't be so virulent that it takes your life. It's undisputed that most of the folks who have been dying now are the unvaccinated. I have seen some of them on TV lying in their death beds. Wishing they had gotten vaccinated, and pleading with others to do so before it's too late. Yep. COVID isn't so bad. That is, until it kills you or somebody you care about.That's not how any vaccine, has ever worked. TB, smallpox, cholera, polio, yellow fever. You can't get these diseases, and spread them, if you're vaccinated.
The cdc literally changed the definition of vaccines and herd immunity in 2020. This is a fact.
The covid shot isn't a vaccine, it's a treatment like the flu shot to prevent harsher symptoms. The same way a flu shot doesn't prevent you from getting it or spreading it.
This is why there wasnt a spanish flu vaccine and why there has never been one for respiratory viruses, they naturally mutate too fast to have any "vaccine".
I am vaxxed but against mandates as they are an obvious govt power grab pushed forward by manipulating emotional and illogical peoples' heart strings like yourself.
you shouldnt care if anyone is unvaccinated or "anti-vaxx". Wake up.
That's not how any vaccine, has ever worked. TB, smallpox, cholera, polio, yellow fever. You can't get these diseases, and spread them, if you're vaccinated.Not true. I have been around vaccines my entire life and have received every single one of those inoculations you mentioned (and then some) before going abroad, and I know what kind of protections they gave me. Vaccines offer some damn good protection. That's why people should get vaxxed (thanks for making the case), but they don't make one impervious to illness. And what did I say? I said to get infected after vaccination would be the exception versus the rule. Which means that it would be quite rare in most circumstances. Chill out Johnny Walker. Have a drink!
"It is much usually much harder to get people to do the right thing / the social responsible thing rather than the selfish thing. " - Villainy."It is usually much harder to get people to do the right thing / the socially responsible thing as opposed to the selfish thing. " - Villainy.
MarquisdeSade1
12-02-21, 17:44
Not true. I have been around vaccines my entire life and have received every single one of those inoculations you mentioned (and then some) before going abroad, and I know what kind of protections they gave me. Vaccines offer some damn good protection. That's why people should get vaxxed (thanks for making the case), but they don't make one impervious to illness. And what did I say? I said to get infected after vaccination would be the exception versus the rule. Which means that it would be quite rare in most circumstances. Chill out Johnny Walker. Have a drink!https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/yellen-covid-germany-restrictions/2021/12/02/id/1047066/
In the Netherlands, health authorities called for pre-flight COVID-19 tests for all travel from outside the European Union, after it turned out that most of the passengers who tested positive after arriving on two flights from South Africa on Nov. 26 had been vaccinated.
Did they get vaxxed with sewer water? Aka Sinovax ROTFLMMFAO.
That's not how any vaccine, has ever worked. TB, smallpox, cholera, polio, yellow fever. You can't get these diseases, and spread them, if you're vaccinated.
The cdc literally changed the definition of vaccines and herd immunity in 2020. This is a fact.
The covid shot isn't a vaccine, it's a treatment like the flu shot to prevent harsher symptoms. The same way a flu shot doesn't prevent you from getting it or spreading it.
This is why there wasnt a spanish flu vaccine and why there has never been one for respiratory viruses, they naturally mutate too fast to have any "vaccine".
I am vaxxed but against mandates as they are an obvious govt power grab pushed forward by manipulating emotional and illogical peoples' heart strings like yourself.
you shouldnt care if anyone is unvaccinated or "anti-vaxx". Wake up.Have you ever taken a science class? How do you think vaccines are developed? You think that one day some scientist says "Eureka" I know the answer and puts together some chemicals and / or bio agents and voila! The world now has a vaccine that works perfectly and no one ever gets the disease again? That is a fair interpretation of what your post suggests.
The reality is that the disease is studied and a vaccine is eventually developed as a result of that research. It is tested and retested, side effects and efficacy are measured. Over time the vaccine results are studied and the vaccine is revised and revised and revised until eventually it is nearly perfect. So you object to calling the "CoVid vaccine" a vaccine because it isn't perfect yet? Sorry man, you need to get a refund from the Elvis School of Science Fiction and enter the real world.
Did they get vaxxed with sewer water? Aka Sinovax ROTFLMMFAO.Speaking of sewer water, if there's anybody here who thinks getting vaccinated is 100% protection from getting sick, here's what I want them to do. First, get a cholera shot, or maybe you already have one. Then next, go to some poor, underdeveloped country in say Africa or somewhere in Asia. And then, start drinking from the same rivers, ditches, and holes that they drink from. And let's see what happens. Don't tell me that having the cholera vaccine means you absolutely can't get it! I know better. The risk is still there. Same with other diseases. I just got vaccinated against shingles, and they out and out tell you that there is no guarantee that you won't get shingles. And in the unlikely event that you do get it, then the vaccine will help you fight it and get through it. That's how vaccines work. They aren't guaranteed shields against contracting a disease, but they offer an awful lot of protection, and make it far less likely that you will get sick. But if you do, then thank your lucky stars you got that shot! Because, it could save your life (or that of somebody you love).
MarquisdeSade1
12-02-21, 20:35
Speaking of sewer water, if there's anybody here who thinks getting vaccinated is 100% protection from getting sick, here's what I want them to do. First, get a cholera shot, or maybe you already have one. Then next, go to some poor, underdeveloped country in say Africa or somewhere in Asia. And then, start drinking from the same rivers, ditches, and holes that they drink from. And let's see what happens. Don't tell me that having the cholera vaccine means you absolutely can't get it! I know better. The risk is still there. Same with other diseases. I just got vaccinated against shingles, and they out and out tell you that there is no guarantee that you won't get shingles. And in the unlikely event that you do get it, then the vaccine will help you fight it and get through it. That's how vaccines work. They aren't guaranteed shields against contracting a disease, but they offer an awful lot of protection, and make it far less likely that you will get sick. But if you do, then thank your lucky stars you got that shot! Because, it could save your life (or that of somebody you love).Leave it to a hyper parasitic capitalist country like the CCP (you know the one Villany the pus oozing vagina "respects so much") to initiate a virulently deadly global pandemic and then to compound the injury by selling.
Useless PPE and Sinovax, even worse than useless, people are buying and using them thinking they are being protected.
The Jews have a saying in re, WW2.
Never again.
Will the world go back to letting the CCP destroy the planet after the CCP plague of 2019?
I read they are stock piling nukes LOL I sure hope they are made in China LMAO.
So why are they stock piling nukes?
https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/pentagon-report-reveals-beijing-aims-to-quadruple-nuclear-weapons-stockpile/news-story/475b0918749d8bc9e324636f2896d81d
If you want to save humanity stop sending your money to China, quit buying trash made in Asia.(except for Taiwan or Vietnam)
Another impressive source. A fake doctor, arrested and jailed multiple times for practicing medicine without a license, and starving people to death.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_M._Sheltonhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
I happen to be an extremely well-informed, well-educated person who takes myYou are also extremely full of yourself.
MarquisdeSade1
12-02-21, 22:10
No bueno.
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/covid-19-omicron-quarantine-variant/2021/11/30/id/1046827/https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/12/2/wrapup-1-first-omicron-case-in-u-s-adds-to-global-alarm-over-virus-variant
To cancel or not.
Leave it to a hyper parasitic capitalist country like the CCP (you know the one Villany the pus oozing vagina "respects so much") to initiate a virulently deadly global pandemic and then to compound the injury by selling.
Useless PPE and Sinovax, even worse than useless, people are buying and using them thinking they are being protected.
The Jews have a saying in re, WW2.
Never again.
Will the world go back to letting the CCP destroy the planet after the CCP plague of 2019?
I read they are stock piling nukes LOL I sure hope they are made in China LMAO.
So why are they stock piling nukes?.And I think you missed mine. I wasn't trying to get your point and was only interested in making my own. Hahaha!
Mr Enternational
12-02-21, 22:49
And by the way in Mr. E's example, just because somebody else is doing something wrong doesn't mean that you too should go and do something wrong yourself. One still has a choice to make about doing the right thing or choosing to act fraudulently yourself. You know the saying. Two wrongs don't make a right!But you also have to remember just because someone is doing the fraudulent thing does not mean it is the wrong thing. Or someone doing the right thing now may not be considered the right thing later on.
There were plenty in history that were doing what their societies considered the right thing at the time but looking back turned out being a fucked up thing to be doing. The right thing at the time would have been those people turning Anne Frank's family over to the authorities instead of hiding them. The right thing in early American history would have been people like Harriet Tubman turning in runaway slaves instead of helping them. Many times right and wrong depend on the perspective.
If you feel you are being unfairly treated should you just stand idle and abide by it or find a work around? Can't get mad at the slaves for running off the plantation; or can you?
Mr Enternational
12-02-21, 23:03
Ward Churchill, disgraced former University of Colorado professor, was fired for lying about being Native American and for multiple incidents of plagiarism.
Wait until those Martin Luther King FBI tapes come out in 2027. Then we can talk about how wrong he was about everything ever.
Mr Enternational
12-02-21, 23:14
Sigh. Okay, I know you went to Golden Gate so I will try to keep it real simple. Asymptomatic transmission. You only think you don't have the disease. You are not sure. So, you're running around unvaccinated and not sure if you have the disease or not.So you are saying THE TESTS I take every week that say I do not have the disease and the symptoms that I do not have are wrong? But the test Jj had that said he was positive and the the symptoms that he had indicating it were right? I think I am getting it now. You are asserting a heads I win, tails you lose thing!
PedroMorales
12-02-21, 23:24
Wait until those Martin Luther King FBI tapes come out in 2027. Then we can talk about how wrong he was about everything ever.That he plagiarized his thesis and he was banging hookers the time he was whacked? That has been in the public domain for years. He crossed some heavy dudes and got whacked. I was speaking to friends about mutual friends who got whacked by crossing ultra heavies. I said they should not have done a Daniel and crawled into an evil lion's den. Others say crooked lions should be taken on. On their home turf. I may be crazy but I ain't that fucking crazy.
Mr Enternational
12-02-21, 23:28
I said to get infected after vaccination would be the exception versus the rule. Which means that it would be quite rare in most circumstances.Then it would also hold that to be unvaccinated and get covid is the exception and not the rule (at least for now). Afterall, there are way more unvaccinated people that have not gotten covid than have gotten it.
So you are saying THE TESTS I take every week that say I do not have the disease and the symptoms that I do not have are wrong? But the test Jj had that said he was positive and the the symptoms that he had indicating it were right? I think I am getting it now. You are asserting a heads I win, tails you lose thing!And there is a guy recently got COVID but still got on airplane multiple times but no one talked him down just because he is vaccinated.
Then it would also hold that to be unvaccinated and get covid is the exception and not the rule (at least for now). Afterall, there are way more unvaccinated people that have not gotten covid than have gotten it.Man your logic and reasoning sometimes. Here's the thing. The focus has to be on who is getting it and dying from it. That's by far and above the unvaccinated, and they're contracting it at rate that's still too high and threatens to overwhelm the healthcare system quickly. I don't think we need anymore major shutdowns but vaccination, masking, testing, and distancing combined with sensible travel restrictions to slow global spread is the only way out of this thing. And everyone needs to do their part, including world leaders getting people in the poorer countries vaccinated as well. We're not safe until everybody is safe!
But you also have to remember just because someone is doing the fraudulent thing does not mean it is the wrong thing. Or someone doing the right thing now may not be considered the right thing later on.
There were plenty in history that were doing what their societies considered the right thing at the time but looking back turned out being a fucked up thing to be doing. The right thing at the time would have been those people turning Anne Frank's family over to the authorities instead of hiding them. The right thing in early American history would have been people like Harriet Tubman turning in runaway slaves instead of helping them. Many times right and wrong depend on the perspective.
If you feel you are being unfairly treated should you just stand idle and abide by it or find a work around? Can't get mad at the slaves for running off the plantation; or can you?When I read or hear stuff like this, it always strikes me as coming from people who just don't want to be accountable. They're the same ones who will say things like there is no such thing as "truth" or "right and wrong". No, they just don't want to be held accountable for their actions in the moment. I'm one of those people who does believe in truth and what's right and wrong. I'm not saying that they're easy to find and identify, or even necessarily always remain the same, but they do exist, and we as people need to strive to find them. You just strike me as the kind of guy who is always going to prioritize what you want to do above anything else, then try to muddy the waters by suggesting that maybe what's right really isn't, and vice versa, and make it all about you and your rights and how you're being treated so badly. The typical American. Far more concerned about your rights and self-expression, and not concerned enough about your obligations and self-restraint.
Elvis 2008
12-03-21, 00:58
Yes, vaccinated people can get the disease but it is less likely that they will. And, if they do, it is less likely they will be contagious.That is complete bullshit. If the vaccinated were less likely to get the disease, the case numbers for 2021 would be lower than 2020 not just in the USA but the world.
Elvis 2008
12-03-21, 01:01
In the Netherlands, health authorities called for pre-flight COVID-19 tests for all travel from outside the European Union, after it turned out that most of the passengers who tested positive after arriving on two flights from South Africa on Nov. 26 had been vaccinated.
Did they get vaxxed with sewer water? Aka Sinovax ROTFLMMFAO.Probably. I am shocked, shocked the vaccine did not work. Maybe if we get people 10 more boosters it will.
When you're wrong, you're wrong:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32772245/tampa-bay-buccaneers-wr-antonio-brown-suspended-3-games-covid-19-violation?platform=amp
MarquisdeSade1
12-03-21, 01:09
Speaking of sewer water, if there's anybody here who thinks getting vaccinated is 100% protection from getting sick, here's what I want them to do. First, get a cholera shot, or maybe you already have one. Then next, go to some poor, underdeveloped country in say Africa or somewhere in Asia. And then, start drinking from the same rivers, ditches, and holes that they drink from. And let's see what happens. Don't tell me that having the cholera vaccine means you absolutely can't get it! I know better. The risk is still there. Same with other diseases. I just got vaccinated against shingles, and they out and out tell you that there is no guarantee that you won't get shingles. And in the unlikely event that you do get it, then the vaccine will help you fight it and get through it. That's how vaccines work. They aren't guaranteed shields against contracting a disease, but they offer an awful lot of protection, and make it far less likely that you will get sick. But if you do, then thank your lucky stars you got that shot! Because, it could save your life (or that of somebody you love).https://www.newsmax.com/politics/mittromney-dalio-china/2021/12/02/id/1047142/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominemYeah, so an ad hominem attack would be if I attacked TK and not his sources. Like if I said TK was an ignorant, uneducated, dangerous piece of shit. Now that would be an ad hominem attack. Instead, I am questioning his sources. You fucking idiot.
So you are saying THE TESTS I take every week that say I do not have the disease and the symptoms that I do not have are wrong? But the test Jj had that said he was positive and the the symptoms that he had indicating it were right? I think I am getting it now. You are asserting a heads I win, tails you lose thing!I am saying that between the incubation period and the one week testing interval, combined with asymptomatic transmission, you unvaccinated people are still a danger to those around you. Once a week ain't shit.
Like if you eat tacos in Tijuana. You could take immodium first. Or you could not take immodium. If you don't take immodium you might shit your pants. And just because you went to Tijuana and did not take immodium, and ate tacos, and did not shit your pants, does not mean you won't shit your pants the next time. And just like you can't get vaccinated for COVID once you have it and are intubated, you can't unshit your pants.
Man your logic and reasoning sometimes. Here's the thing. The focus has to be on who is getting it and dying from it. That's by far and above the unvaccinated, and they're contracting it at rate that's still too high and threatens to overwhelm the healthcare system quickly. I don't think we need anymore major shutdowns but vaccination, masking, testing, and distancing combined with sensible travel restrictions to slow global spread is the only way out of this thing. And everyone needs to do their part, including world leaders getting people in the poorer countries vaccinated as well. We're not safe until everybody is safe!What a load of BS!
The vaccine won't stop the vaccinated people from getting infected and infecting others with corona. So no, it doesn't matter to me if someone else is unvaccinated.
If the vaccine truly worked so great I should be able to travel freely across the world by just showing my passport and vaccination status. But that's not the case isn't it?
PedroMorales
12-03-21, 10:24
https://www.rt.com/sport/542051-vaccination-antonio-brown-suspension/
Here is some Yankee ball juggler who got suspended for three games for using a fake Vax card. Now, as I don't want to be suspended for three games, I would not use a fake card. However, for the "gas them all" lobby, please note the dude went to a Halloween party. It is people like him, vaxed or unvaxed, who mingle who are the risk. That said, I am going to bang a local Asian provider this afternoon.
MarquisdeSade1
12-03-21, 13:03
You are also extremely full of yourself.Well informed vs ill informed?
Eye of the beholder! Jajajajajaaa.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.11.20062133v1
Main outcome measures Estimated acute care and intensive care hospitalizations, COVID-19 attributable deaths, and infections among healthcare workers from 10 April until 29 June.
Findings Our model for Sweden shows that, under conservative epidemiological parameter estimates, the current Swedish public-health strategy will result in a peak intensive-care load in May that exceeds pre-pandemic capacity by over 40-fold, with a median mortality of 96,000 (95% CI 52,000 to 183,000). The most stringent public-health measures examined are predicted to reduce mortality by approximately three-fold. Intensive-care load at the peak could be reduced by over two-fold with a shorter period at peak pandemic capacity.
Its funny how the scaremongers turned out to be, what's not funny is that governments across the world actually listened to their BS.
Mr Enternational
12-03-21, 14:42
When I read or hear stuff like this, it always strikes me as coming from people who just don't want to be accountable. They're the same ones who will say things like there is no such thing as "truth" or "right and wrong". No, they just don't want to be held accountable for their actions in the moment. I'm one of those people who does believe in truth and what's right and wrong. I'm not saying that they're easy to find and identify, or even necessarily always remain the same, but they do exist, and we as people need to strive to find them. You just strike me as the kind of guy who is always going to prioritize what you want to do above anything else, then try to muddy the waters by suggesting that maybe what's right really isn't, and vice versa, and make it all about you and your rights and how you're being treated so badly. The typical American. Far more concerned about your rights and self-expression, and not concerned enough about your obligations and self-restraint.Well of course. I am not waking up every morning living my life for Joe down the street; I am living my life for me. So you prioritize your life around other people? More power to you. As long as a person is not infringing on others then why should they not live their life how they see fit? It is like the saying I see on this board all the time, I spend my money how I want. You should also spend your life how you want. It is yours to do as you please.
Where did I all of a sudden pick up some obligations and accountability that I did not sign up for and what are they? That sounds like some communist stuff. I live in a capitalistic constitutional republic where I am free to exercise my rights, and exercise them is what I shall do until the day I die. What I just ate for breakfast is not going to make anyone else's bowels move.
Of course their is a such thing as truth or rather facts, but right and wrong depends on the perspective. From the perspective of Britain it was dead wrong for the colonists to be unaccountable in not honoring their obligation to pay their taxes and to take up arms against them, but from the colonists' perspective it was the right thing to do. Whose perspective of right and wrong is the one that matters or the true one and how is that decided?
Well of course. I am not waking up every morning living my life for Joe down the street; I am living my life for me. So you prioritize your life around other people? More power to you. As long as a person is not infringing on others then why should they not live their life how they see fit? It is like the saying I see on this board all the time, I spend my money how I want. You should also spend your life how you want. It is yours to do as you please.
Where did I all of a sudden pick up some obligations and accountability that I did not sign up for and what are they? That sounds like some communist stuff. I live in a capitalistic constitutional republic where I am free to exercise my rights, and exercise them is what I shall do until the day I die. What I just ate for breakfast is not going to make anyone else's bowels move.
Of course their is a such thing as truth or rather facts, but right and wrong depends on the perspective. From the perspective of Britain it was dead wrong for the colonists to be unaccountable in not honoring their obligation to pay their taxes and to take up arms against them, but from the colonists' perspective it was the right thing to do. Whose perspective of right and wrong is the one that matters or the true one and how is that decided?You have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! And don't get caught using your fake vaccination card. That might result in you getting banned from going to one or more of your favorite mongering destinations around the world.
The focus has to be on who is getting it and dying from it. That's by far and above the unvaccinated, and they're contracting it at rate that's still too high and threatens to overwhelm the healthcare system quickly.You made a similar statement before. Where is the data to substantiate that claim?
That is complete bullshit. If the vaccinated were less likely to get the disease, the case numbers for 2021 would be lower than 2020 not just in the USA but the world.The sheeple keep repeating the same propagandised mistruths. It is illuminating that they just trot out the tropes, and never provide any evidence. Bcos such evidence does not exist. They keep repeating that they are less liikely to get infected, when what they mean is that they are less likely to get infected in the short term than a unvaxd and vulnerable person who has no natural immunity. So when you stack the cards in your favour, sure you are going to win. But that is not the real world. In the long term we are all going to get it and therefore we are all just as likely. . Same goes for the lie that the unvaxd are more contagious when they have it, the non-science that masks work (all RCTs ever conducted show no evidence that they work).
Slowly, the smarter people will wake up to what is going on. It might take them a couple more jabs, a few deaths of their vaxd family and friends, but eventually they will question WTF were they thinking? That they have fall enfor another pile of government BS, that they have been duped.
About quotes. What does it matter who said / wrote a quote? What is important are the words, not the morality of the person. Even the words greatest humanitarian leaders did some terrible things. And some of the world's most evll people had brilliant minds. Joseph Goebbels was one of the sharpest oraticians.
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and / or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State. ".
"Propaganda works best when those who are being manipulated are confident they are acting on their own free will. ".
"To be a socialist is to submit the I to the thou; socialism is sacrificing the individual to the whole. ".
"Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place. ".
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels
MarquisdeSade1
12-03-21, 16:55
It is like the saying I see on this board all the time, I spend my money how I want.JJquasimodo loves to say her time, her vagina, her money.
Its quite fair to say medical autonomy and informed consent for new "vaxs" supercede what she claims, on the other hand if you want to join a monger community / forum to share intel and then when the pricing advice doesn't coincide with your sooper thirsty / desperate sexual persona, then you want to throw out that libertarian hyper self serving crap, I say don't let the door hit you in the vagina lips on the way out!
Yeah, so an ad hominem attack would be if I attacked TK and not his sources. Like if I said TK was an ignorant, uneducated, dangerous piece of shit. Now that would be an ad hominem attack. Instead, I am questioning his sources. You fucking idiot.You're a fucking moron, instead of attacking the message you attacked the messenger. You didn't question the quote as such but the person who said it.
Its a classic ad hominem argument.
Elvis 2008
12-03-21, 19:07
From Europe. Despite being heavily vaccinated, most of Europe is near all time highs in Covid cases.
While none of this funny, there is irony to be enjoyed. You see there is a ring of countries right now at an all time high number of cases and those are the ones in the Scandinavian region. Denmark, the Netherlands, Finland, Norway are all at an all time high number of Covid cases right now.
But there is one exception? Funny what country it might be? Yeah Sweden. Sweden's number of cases right now is only at 20% of its all time peak.
Hmm, I wonder if Sweden did anything different that the rest of the world should emulate.
And what did those douches say about Sweden again?
MarquisdeSade1
12-03-21, 19:53
When I read or hear stuff like this, it always strikes me as coming from people who just don't want to be accountable. They're the same ones who will say things like there is no such thing as "truth" or "right and wrong". No, they just don't want to be held accountable for their actions in the moment. I'm one of those people who does believe in truth and what's right and wrong. I'm not saying that they're easy to find and identify, or even necessarily always remain the same, but they do exist, and we as people need to strive to find them. You just strike me as the kind of guy who is always going to prioritize what you want to do above anything else, then try to muddy the waters by suggesting that maybe what's right really isn't, and vice versa, and make it all about you and your rights and how you're being treated so badly. The typical American. Far more concerned about your rights and self-expression, and not concerned enough about your obligations and self-restraint.Typical American? WTF?
https://www.mic.com/articles/108578/the-surprising-thing-people-who-resist-authority-have-in-common
So your saying that the Aiffe is becoming that popular, that would be a first. I didn't say that at all. LOL It's to the point where ISG needs to market a reading comprehension course, to benefit the forum and as an extra source of income.
Over the last 10 yrs that I visited there off and on there has always been a minimum of at leasrt 5 girlsWho knows. At this point you can claim anything you want.
I was the only one there before and after I left, I never seen anybody else there And how long were you there? Ten minutes? That's hardly enough time to get a read on the comings and goings of the place. Plus this tells you nothing about who may be there but busy in the rooms.
It's not uncommon for them to only have four or five girls working. It can vary a lot from day to day, and it would be far from unheard of for all but one to be busy. Did you ask the woman how many girls were occupied? "Tienes chicas ocupadas?" You are announcing their demise on scant evidence. That was my point.
P.S. I'm surprised a woman was running the place. It's usually a guy, father and son team and one or the other is there.
Despite being heavily vaccinated, most of Europe is near all time highs in Covid cases.
Denmark, the Netherlands, Finland, Norway are all at an all time high number of Covid cases right now.
Sweden's number of cases right now is only at 20% of its all time peak.
Haha, that is funny. Even NZ, which thinks they live in a different universe to the rest of us, is going thru a peak.
You know, what I would love most of all. Is for this fantasy to end the pandemic. To find out that COVID can be transmitted by birds. Now that would be hilarious. Could you imagine how soon that would bring a halt to all this BS?
Faking it for a fake: https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/03/europe/italy-man-silicone-arm-vaccine-intl-scli/index.html.
VasyaPetya
12-04-21, 06:36
Except for faking a vax card could sicken and kill a lot of other people, while faking onward travel does not. Just pointing that out for you.Uhh no it couldn't kill anyone. Is everyone on this board is retarded boomer?
I don't think its that's simple TBH. I think there are still some twists and turns to come. What happens when more of the world realises that they have bought in to a never ending cycle of vaxs? What happens when ppls realise that new variants make the vax almost worthless? What happens when more people realise that COVID isn't actually dangerous at all if your healthy.What happens?
1. An endless cycle of vaccinations? I suppose it depends on the person. I'm getting a booster dose in 2 weeks. If it goes the way of the first 2 doses, I'll have invested just over 1 hour of my time with zero monetary cost. Figure if it does require 2 more doses each year, add in another 45 minutes of my time per year. Personally, that doesn't seem like a world changing expenditure. I can't imagine anyone who is so busy that an average investment of less than 8 seconds per day is going to completely alter their lifestyle.
2. When new variants make the vax almost worthless? This assumes we live in a world where no scientific advances are ever made. It's quite likely that within a few months altered vaccines will become available effective against new variants. It's also likely vaccines which are effective for longer terms, if we return to point 1 for a moment.
3. When people realize Covid isn't actually dangerous at all if your (sic) healthy? I guess the same thing that happens when people realize they can jump off a 20 story building and fly, or that they are bulletproof. They die from their delusion.
It seems to be a bit of a race of time at the moment, between the pro-vax sheeple view and the pro-science anti-mandate view. To me, it is not clear who will win out, especailly since its so easy to fake a vax card to buy time. Bit like faking an onward ticket when you arrive in a new country.For someone who claimed to not be anti-vax you sure do spout a lot of anti-vax nonsense. The pro-science view is to get vaccinated.
Faking a vax card is easy. Just like faking a negative Covid test is easy. However, what are the consequences when the fake is caught? We live in the digital age. It's only a matter of time before people start getting caught with their fake cards. I expect some countries will deal harshly with them. We've already seen that Colombia wasn't too happy when they caught 3 US citizens with fake tests. Being banned from a country, or possibly banned from air travel seems a high price to pay just to avoid getting vaccinated.
It's really nothing like faking an onward ticket. With a fake onward ticket you're still in the system as having entered the country and still subject to the country's rules for length of stay. If you want to make a comparison, faking a vax card is like entering a country illegally. Actually, if the country requires vaccination, using a fake vax card is entering the country illegally.
Uhh no it couldn't kill anyone. Is everyone on this board is retarded boomer?Can you clarify that for me? Are you saying that COVID-19 does not, in any cases, cause death? You lost me there.
In my mind if someone is willing to fake a vax card, they're probably willing to circumvent travel restrictions when they are infected with Covid. If they're willing to travel when infected with Covid, they increase the risk of infecting others. If they are willing to risk infecting others, there's a chance someone down that infection chain will die from Covid.
Unless, of course, nobody has ever died from Covid.
I didn't say that at all. LOL It's to the point where ISG needs to market a reading comprehension course, to benefit the forum and as an extra source of income.Maybe you should volunteer to do it, since you have all this time to analyze and critique reports.
Who knows. At this point you can claim anything you want.LOL, all I was doing was reporting my point of view based on my experiences.
And how long were you there? Ten minutes? That's hardly enough time to get a read on the comings and goings of the place. Plus this tells you nothing about who may be there but busy in the rooms.'Ten minutes?'More like 30 or 45 minutes. Or should I say 'I didn't say that at all'. Over the dozen times I've been there over a period of 10 years I personally never seen anybody else there and there was always at least 5 girls. I think that's pretty good estimation based on the amount of times and time span.
You are announcing their demise. That was my point.Well many of them have. Dulce on Carrera 45 #57-55 is the last one standing on that street, but I hope Aiffe stays around and many others start up or come back. I think I made my point.
Uhh no it couldn't kill anyone. Is everyone on this board is retarded boomer?LOL what? First of all you got it backwards. Boomers. Right wing are the anti vaxxers.
Its been killing Colombians 129 k fatalities so far. 2. 5% may be insignificant to you but its still killing their elderly.
Lastly, stay out of Colombia if you you're an anti vaxer covidiot.
LatinaLover#1
12-04-21, 12:04
LOL what? First of all you got it backwards. Boomers. Right wing are the anti vaxxers.
Its been killing Colombians 129 k fatalities so far. 2. 5% may be insignificant to you but its still killing their elderly.
Lastly, stay out of Colombia if you you're an anti vaxer covidiot.I have 2 shots and a booster AND I still need a one day test to enter my country. So it's obvious Dumb and Dumb'er, (Brandon & Fauci) NEVER EVER believed in the Vaccine or they would not require fully vaccinated people to get this 24 hour test. It's not the few hundred people on a plane from Colombia, that's the problem, it's the half a MILLION people walking across the border, unvaxed, untested dispersed through the country, that is spreading the virus.
MarquisdeSade1
12-04-21, 13:14
You have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! And don't get caught using your fake vaccination card. That might result in you getting banned from going to one or more of your favorite mongering destinations around the world.https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/jordan-vaccination-database-house-covid-19/2021/12/03/id/1047270/
it's the half a MILLION people walking across the border, unvaxed, untested dispersed through the country, that is spreading the virus.Then surely that begs the question. Why do we live in a world with 2 or 3 tier status. Where only people from tier 1 and 2 tier 2 can access a vax, whereas tier 3 must suffer what they must bcos the rich want to profit from property rights. Yet these policies come right back to bite tier 1 and 2 in the arse bcos these same less valuable people spread the virus back in ever more deadly forms.
If you think a little deeper, you can actually see this as a metaphor for poverty in general. Explot people and deny them freedom and opportunity, and they will come back and bite you in the arse. I just hope its a big and painful bite.
I have 2 shots and a booster AND I still need a one day test to enter my country. So it's obvious Dumb and Dumb'er, (Brandon & Fauci) NEVER EVER believed in the Vaccine or they would not require fully vaccinated people to get this 24 hour test. It's not the few hundred people on a plane from Colombia, that's the problem, it's the half a MILLION people walking across the border, unvaxed, untested dispersed through the country, that is spreading the virus.I try to stay out of arguments on this board because there's already too much acrimony in the world and this space is about our mongering hobby. But in this instance I'll jump in here for a sec. It's apparent you may only get your information from Fox News or worse, Newsmax. No Covid vaccine is 100% effective and they have never been advertised as such. What they all do effectively is drastically reduce the possibility of serious illness and death. You can be fully vaxxed with a booster and still become a breakthrough case. But feeling no symptoms, you can infect others, including kids under 5 who can't get the shot. By the way, South Africa is experiencing a unsettling uptick in cases of kids under 5 with the Omicron variant.
In regards to your right wing talking point about illegals spreading the virus, there are zero evidence that is happening. The only evidence that can truly be relied on is that this virus is still raging because there large numbers of people across the globe not vaccinated. The Southern Hemisphere needs to vaccinate 3 billion people still. Here at home there are still 40%+ of Americans that refuse to roll their sleeves up and do what's right.
LOL what? First of all you got it backwards. Boomers. Right wing are the anti vaxxers.
Its been killing Colombians 129 k fatalities so far. 2. 5% may be insignificant to you but its still killing their elderly.
Lastly, stay out of Colombia if you you're an anti vaxer covidiot.129 K deaths from CoVid in a population of 52 M is only 0. 25%. Just to be accurate, but all your points are exactly right. Colombians believe the science and are getting vaccinated at a very high rate, higher than many European countries. As of December 1st, 48.9% have have been fully vaccinated and 74.5% have had at least 1 vaccination.
So just like Maelstrom said. If you are an anti-vaxxer stay out of Colombia.
RamDavidson84
12-04-21, 15:27
Then surely that begs the question. Why do we live in a world with 2 or 3 tier status. Where only people from tier 1 and 2 tier 2 can access a vax, whereas tier 3 must suffer what they must bcos the rich want to profit from property rights. Yet these policies come right back to bite tier 1 and 2 in the arse bcos these same less valuable people spread the virus back in ever more deadly forms.
If you think a little deeper, you can actually see this as a metaphor for poverty in general. Explot people and deny them freedom and opportunity, and they will come back and bite you in the arse. I just hope its a big and painful bite.That is the dumbest thing I have ever read. Like seriously, I have never read a more idiotic comment ever. I don't want to start a fight TK, I am sure your a good guy at heart. I just can't understand how that could even be a logical thought in another persons mind.
Fact- It is absolutely no ones fault in the USA that people from other countries are in poverty. The people of the USA owe nothing to anyone else on this planet. People in poverty from other nations by the millions, are illegally crossing into the USA and spreading a deadly virus.
Opinion- For a very long time, nations went to war for far less.
That is the dumbest thing I have ever read. Like seriously, I have never read a more idiotic comment ever.Well, keep reading this thread.
Elvis 2008
12-04-21, 19:07
I try to stay out of arguments on this board because there's already too much acrimony in the world and this space is about our mongering hobby. But in this instance I'll jump in here for a sec. It's apparent you may only get your information from Fox News or worse, Newsmax.And you are trying to lessen the acrimony with that statement? LOL.
No Covid vaccine is 100% effective and they have never been advertised as such.No, you Democratic douche, they were advertised as being 95% effective in preventing the spread of Covid and turned out to be 0% effective. So now you try to apologize for Fauci, the drug companies, and Brandon with this bullshit line about "no Covid vaccine is 100% effective". Do you understand the difference between 95 and 0 douche?
What they all do effectively is drastically reduce the possibility of serious illness and death.So that 95% reduction is thrown out, and the powers that be came up with that new benefit, and you just went along with it.
With death, you can throw those numbers out the fucking window. When the Italians got rid of comorbidities, they reduced the number of Covid deaths by 97%. Deaths can easily be manipulated by government to get the figures it wants.
Hospitalization cannot be as easily manipulated, and the numbers there are not what the government says. Different countries have different thresholds for admission but in Israel the unvaccinated had double the rate of hospitalization.
Okay, douche, here is your homework. What is the rate of hospitalization with Covid and the rate of side effects with the vaccines?
You see, I know three people who have had debilitating tinnitus after getting the vaccine so help me out.
Here at home there are still 40%+ of Americans that refuse to roll their sleeves up and do what's right.Right huh? Are you going to do what is right and man up and pay $10,000 to anyone who follows your advice and has a side effect to the vaccine? NO then STFU Douche. No one wants to hear from someone who is a government dick sucking mouth piece.
Drug companies and government douches have immunity from lawsuits. If their advice was so fucking great, why do they need said immunity?
Mr Enternational
12-04-21, 19:20
Fact- It is absolutely no ones fault in the USA that people from other countries are in poverty. The people of the USA owe nothing to anyone else on this planet. Fact: he did not say anything about USA! Why did you quote him and go on a rant saying what Americans do not owe anyone?
That is the dumbest thing I have ever read. Like seriously, I have never read a more idiotic comment ever.
Fact- It is absolutely no ones fault in the USA that people from other countries are in poverty. The people of the USA owe nothing to anyone else on this planet. People in poverty from other nations by the millions, are illegally crossing into the USA and spreading a deadly virus.
Opinion- For a very long time, nations went to war for far less.Hi Ram. Apologies, but you have lost me there bud. I don't see the relevance of what you wrote has to demonstrate that what I wrote is dumb. I assume that was what you were trying to do? (I don't agree with what you wrote, but that is beside the point).
Fact: he did not say anything about USA! Why did you quote him and go on a rant saying what Americans do not owe anyone?Haha, you beat me to it!! I too was wondering why he got his knickers in a twist about the USA there.
I try to stay out of arguments on this board because there's already too much acrimony in the world and this space is about our mongering hobby. But in this instance I'll jump in here for a sec. It's apparent you may only get your information from Fox News or worse, Newsmax. No Covid vaccine is 100% effective and they have never been advertised as such. What they all do effectively is drastically reduce the possibility of serious illness and death. You can be fully vaxxed with a booster and still become a breakthrough case. But feeling no symptoms, you can infect others, including kids under 5 who can't get the shot. By the way, South Africa is experiencing a unsettling uptick in cases of kids under 5 with the Omicron variant.
In regards to your right wing talking point about illegals spreading the virus, there are zero evidence that is happening. The only evidence that can truly be relied on is that this virus is still raging because there large numbers of people across the globe not vaccinated. The Southern Hemisphere needs to vaccinate 3 billion people still. Here at home there are still 40%+ of Americans that refuse to roll their sleeves up and do what's right.Great post in all ways.
Elvis 2008
12-04-21, 19:44
129 K deaths from CoVid in a population of 52 M is only 0. 25%. Just to be accurate, but all your points are exactly right. Colombians believe the science and are getting vaccinated at a very high rate, higher than many European countries. As of December 1st, 48.9% have have been fully vaccinated and 74.5% have had at least 1 vaccination.
So just like Maelstrom said. If you are an anti-vaxxer stay out of Colombia.Deaths per one million population per worldometer is 2491 in Colombia, 2422 in USA, and 1486 in Sweden.
Not sure what being an antivaxxer has to do with anything, but those numbers show it really was stupid for the government to have shut down and banned international travel for as long as they did.
RamDavidson84
12-04-21, 19:51
Haha, you beat me to it!! I too was wondering why he got his knickers in a twist about the USA there.Haha, let me tone it down, I will admit my post came off too harsh and I should have checked the hostility. Always happy to debate the proper way.
You are responding to a post about the current border situation and in which the post is pointing out how millions of illegal immigrants fleeing nations of poverty are crossing the border illegally and spreading the virus. You then post about how "Tier 1" and "Tier 2" nations are profiting off these people in poverty because of "property rights". I assumed you meant a tier 1 nation is a first world industrialized nation. I also assumed you were referring to the USA because you are replying to a post which was referencing problems currently occurring at the border of the USA and Mexico.
I assumed you were trying to argue that first world nations deliberately try to keep third world nations in poverty? Is this what you meant?
I also assumed you were trying to state that due to this level of poverty that people in third world nations do not have access to the vaccine and because of this the virus can mutate and flourish and reinfect people in more dangerous forms in both first and third world nations. Were you trying to state that point?
I strongly disagree that anyone out there in a free market democratic society is trying to deny people in poverty freedom and opportunity just so that they can exploit them. Maybe in Cuba and Venezuela, but they are communist dictatorships and not "Tier 1" or "Tier 2" nations, if that's what you meant.
I assumed when you stated that people in poverty are going to "Bite back painfully", I took that as a hostile comment meaning the USA and Tier 1 nations deserve the chaos, death, and toxic environment created by the mass influx of illegal immigrants at the border. Am I wrong in that statement?
And I am very confused on how the property rights of first world nations impoverish people in third world nations? What exactly did you mean by that?
My bad if I misinterpreted anything in your post. I have a made a stupid post from time to time.
RamDavidson84
12-04-21, 20:07
I try to stay out of arguments on this board because there's already too much acrimony in the world and this space is about our mongering hobby. But in this instance I'll jump in here for a sec. It's apparent you may only get your information from Fox News or worse, Newsmax. No Covid vaccine is 100% effective and they have never been advertised as such. What they all do effectively is drastically reduce the possibility of serious illness and death. You can be fully vaxxed with a booster and still become a breakthrough case. But feeling no symptoms, you can infect others, including kids under 5 who can't get the shot. By the way, South Africa is experiencing a unsettling uptick in cases of kids under 5 with the Omicron variant.
In regards to your right wing talking point about illegals spreading the virus, there are zero evidence that is happening. The only evidence that can truly be relied on is that this virus is still raging because there large numbers of people across the globe not vaccinated. The Southern Hemisphere needs to vaccinate 3 billion people still. Here at home there are still 40%+ of Americans that refuse to roll their sleeves up and do what's right.Please correct me if I am wrong. I am just stating my opinion.
1. To the best of my knowledge, millions of undocumented immigrants have crossed the southern border to the USA illegally since the start of this Pandemic. Is seems almost impossible to assume that none of them transmitted the virus across the border which significantly contributed to the spread of the virus. There may be no scientific studies on it, but "common sense" would indicate that many of them probably spread the virus. That same common sense logic is probably why for a long time, many nations secured their border and did not allow travel at all in any form.
I think its hard to argue that the policy of Biden makes any sense. He does as little as possible when it comes to securing the border but allows millions of illegals to cross the border. He then makes all international travelers take a 24 hour covid test regardless of vaccination. It really looks like to me, he is trying to increase the size of his voter base through illegal immigration and this comes at the expense of American citizen's health, and if you speak out against it, your deemed a racist bigot.
This is my opinion and I understand if you see it a different way and would encourage someone to explain to me why his policy makes sense.
MarquisdeSade1
12-04-21, 20:24
I try to stay out of arguments on this board because there's already too much acrimony in the world and this space is about our mongering hobby. But in this instance I'll jump in here for a sec. It's apparent you may only get your information from Fox News or worse, Newsmax. No Covid vaccine is 100% effective and they have never been advertised as such. What they all do effectively is drastically reduce the possibility of serious illness and death. You can be fully vaxxed with a booster and still become a breakthrough case. But feeling no symptoms, you can infect others, including kids under 5 who can't get the shot. By the way, South Africa is experiencing a unsettling uptick in cases of kids under 5 with the Omicron variant.
In regards to your right wing talking point about illegals spreading the virus, there are zero evidence that is happening. The only evidence that can truly be relied on is that this virus is still raging because there large numbers of people across the globe not vaccinated. The Southern Hemisphere needs to vaccinate 3 billion people still. Here at home there are still 40%+ of Americans that refuse to roll their sleeves up and do what's right.https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-careerists/
https://amgreatness.com/2021/12/03/the-folly-of-wisdom-in-an-unwise-age/
BTW your numbers are a bit off!!!
https://www.google.com/search?q=population+of+the+southern+hemisphere&source=hp&ei=OcWrYdD6CN_S1sQPr6eVyAc&iflsig=ALs-wAMAAAAAYavTSbUy3EECe24XNetRBgOVV8tHK04m&oq=population+of+the+southern+hemis&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAEYADIFCAAQgAQyBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeOgcIABCABBAKOgUILhCABDoKCAAQgAQQRhD7AVAAWLEsYLQ7aABwAHgBgAHWBYgB7TCSAQ4wLjIwLjYuMi4wLjEuMZgBAKABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz
My bad if I misinterpreted anything in your post. I have a made a stupid post from time to time.Well, you made a lot of false assumptions in what I wrote .
"I also assumed you were referring to the USA because you are replying to a post which was referencing problems currently occurring at the border of the USA and Mexico. ".
Clearly I am referring to tier 1 and 2 nations.
"I assumed you were trying to argue that first world nations deliberately try to keep third world nations in poverty? Is this what you meant?
No, I never wrote that.
"I strongly disagree that anyone out there in a free market democratic society is trying to deny people in poverty freedom and opportunity just so that they can exploit them".
I never claimed that either.
"Maybe in Cuba and Venezuela, but they are communist dictatorships and not "Tier 1" or "Tier 2" nations, if that's what you meant. ".
Totally false, but that's an argument for another day. Hehe.
"I assumed when you stated that people in poverty are going to "Bite back painfully", I took that as a hostile comment meaning the USA and Tier 1 nations deserve the chaos, death, and toxic environment created by the mass influx of illegal immigrants at the border. Am I wrong in that statement?
I hoped for a big and painful bite so that the tier 1 and 2 would wake up and take notice of what their policies are reaping. To get their attention.
"And I am very confused on how the property rights of first world nations impoverish people in third world nations? What exactly did you mean by that?
I never claimed that.
Maybe it's easier if I just start again? – Nearly all the vaxes have gone to Tier 1 and 2 nations. Tier 1 nations are refusing to waive their intellectual property rights to the vaxes as they want to profit from the vaxes. I think this is a selfish and myopic policy. The WHO agrees with me. Poor countries could produce their own vaxes or buy them at affordable prices if Tier 1 nations waived their rights. You cannot eradicate any virus unless everyone is vaccinated with an effective vax. Allowing a virus to circulate will lead to more variants, and these variants will come back and bite the Tier 1 in the arse. That's the point I was making. Although I did prefer my point about this being a metaphor for poverty in general. Hehe.
MarquisdeSade1
12-04-21, 21:07
Deaths per one million population per worldometer is 2491 in Colombia, 2422 in USA, and 1486 in Sweden.
Not sure what being an antivaxxer has to do with anything, but those numbers show it really was stupid for the government to have shut down and banned international travel for as long as they did.JAJAJAJAJA.
Going on 2 fucking years later!
https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2021/12/03/masks-outdoor-recess-burr-elementary-chicago-public-schools/
That is the dumbest thing I have ever read. Like seriously, I have never read a more idiotic comment ever. I don't want to start a fight TK, I am sure your a good guy at heart. I just can't understand how that could even be a logical thought in another persons mind.
Fact- It is absolutely no ones fault in the USA that people from other countries are in poverty. The people of the USA owe nothing to anyone else on this planet. People in poverty from other nations by the millions, are illegally crossing into the USA and spreading a deadly virus.
Opinion- For a very long time, nations went to war for far less.Nothing is more predictable. Since the start of the pandemic and with few exceptions it's the strong red states that are leading the way when it comes to confirmed Covid cases per 100 K population. This while your leftist states with very few exceptions bring up the rear. And it's Republicans that lead the way by far when it comes to refusing vaccinations. See attachments. This data was already posted so apparently you haven't been following this thread. But save the fake indignation pal as no one here with any sense is buying it. Right wing nuts are the biggest problem we face in this country. They also lead the way in domestic terrorism as determined by Trump's DHS.
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/2020_10_06_homeland-threat-assessment.pdf
P.S. The border is a complex issue but needless to say Trump's "wall" would never have worked.
RamDavidson84
12-04-21, 21:28
Well, you made a lot of false assumptions in what I wrote .
"I also assumed you were referring to the USA because you are replying to a post which was referencing problems currently occurring at the border of the USA and Mexico. ".
Clearly I am referring to tier 1 and 2 nations.
"I assumed you were trying to argue that first world nations deliberately try to keep third world nations in poverty? Is this what you meant?
No, I never wrote that.
"I strongly disagree that anyone out there in a free market democratic society is trying to deny people in poverty freedom and opportunity just so that they can exploit them".
I never claimed that either.
"Maybe in Cuba and Venezuela, but they are communist dictatorships and not "Tier 1" or "Tier 2" nations, if that's what you meant...I understand what you meant. You sure did choose some interesting words to write your original post with if this is the message you actually wanted to convey. Either way, after reading your post, I agree that the Pharma Companies should allow poorer nations to produce their own vaccines and share their intellectual property rights regarding the vaccine. I wasn't aware that it was even taking place to be honest. It is not something covered at all in the American media. I do know that even here in the USA, it took a very long time to produce the vaccine and distribute it to the masses.
I disagree with you though that people from any country should bite back at first world nations for not sharing the I. P. Rights, I followed the vaccination rates around the world and it wasn't a significant difference at the speed of distribution from first world to third world nations and remember this, if it wasn't for those first world nations, we wouldn't have a vaccine to begin with. Just curious TK, what country are you from?
'Ten minutes?'More like 30 or 45 minutes...I made my point.Okay so according to you Affiee (the red door) only had one girl available, and that you were the only one there the whole time other than that girl and the lady manager. You didn't take the girl but stayed 30 to 45 minutes. Why? To stare at the wall? If you wanted to play with your phone 45 minutes you wouldn't be out hunting for as girl. You obviously don't speak any basis Spanish, probably can hardly fumble around with Google translate as you never asked the manager if any girls were occupied or if any more were arriving soon. Yet you assumed all the rooms were empty and that the casa is on it's last legs. Your point is that you are a liar, which a lot of people are when trying to defend bone headed posts, but next time try to make your lies at least somewhat believable. That's the only point here.
LOL what? First of all you got it backwards. Boomers. Right wing are the anti vaxxers.
Its been killing Colombians 129 k fatalities so far. 2. 5% may be insignificant to you but its still killing their elderly.
Lastly, stay out of Colombia if you you're an anti vaxer covidiot.You're obviously the idiot given that even fully vaccinated can infect others with the virus.
Also, it's not needed to be vaccinated to be allowed in to Colombia so just STFU with your moronic opinions.
I try to stay out of arguments on this board because there's already too much acrimony in the world and this space is about our mongering hobby. But in this instance I'll jump in here for a sec. It's apparent you may only get your information from Fox News or worse, Newsmax. No Covid vaccine is 100% effective and they have never been advertised as such. What they all do effectively is drastically reduce the possibility of serious illness and death. You can be fully vaxxed with a booster and still become a breakthrough case. But feeling no symptoms, you can infect others, including kids under 5 who can't get the shot. By the way, South Africa is experiencing a unsettling uptick in cases of kids under 5 with the Omicron variant.
In regards to your right wing talking point about illegals spreading the virus, there are zero evidence that is happening. The only evidence that can truly be relied on is that this virus is still raging because there large numbers of people across the globe not vaccinated. The Southern Hemisphere needs to vaccinate 3 billion people still. Here at home there are still 40%+ of Americans that refuse to roll their sleeves up and do what's right.Well, that's incorrect. The vaccine is still raging because we have no effective vaccine to reduce transmissions.
RamDavidson84
12-05-21, 01:34
Nothing is more predictable. Since the start of the pandemic and with few exceptions it's the strong red states that are leading the way when it comes to confirmed Covid cases per 100 K population. This while your leftist states with very few exceptions bring up the rear. And it's Republicans that lead the way by far when it comes to refusing vaccinations. See attachments. This data was already posted so apparently you haven't been following this thread. But save the fake indignation pal as no one here with any sense is buying it. Right wing nuts are the biggest problem we face in this country. They also lead the way in domestic terrorism as determined by Trump's DHS.
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/2020_10_06_homeland-threat-assessment.pdf
P.S. The border is a complex issue but needless to say Trump's "wall" would never have worked.Paulie97,
I am not an anti-vaccine and I never said anything about people who are either pro-vaccine or anti-vaccine. Personally I am fully vaccinated and I feel safer that way and I think its the smart thing to do to get vaccinated if your health is good. I also consider myself a moderate and not a Republican and I am from a strong blue-state. When it comes to the border issue, I tend to agree with Republican policies these, but I always judge any issue on my own and don't just blindly take party lines. The border issue is very complex, I agree. In my opinion the safest solution regarding the spread of covid-19 would be to secure the border which our President, or my President depending on your country, is failing miserably to do anything about.
Please don't label me a right-wing nut just because I advocate for border security to protect labor wages, taxes, protection from drug cartels, reduction in drug trafficking, voter base-size regulation, and the reduction of covid cases within my nation. There's no justification there to label someone a nut for advocating those policies.
As far as Right-wing nuts go, they are definitely a problem, but the thing is I never hear of terrorist acts they actually commit in real life. I have never seen a right-wing terrorist attack in my local community. Ever. I literally see weekly shootings from inner city crime in my local community as well as many other forms of serious crime and it seems like a much realistic problem which effects my life and the lives of people in my community. People can spit out what ever strange facts and statistics they want, but when I read the local news and its constantly covering local shootings, looting, vandalism, car thefts. Etc on a very regular basis and I have never ever in decades seen one act of domestic terrorism, I am much more concerned about inner city crime. For the record, I have a close friend who was shot several weeks ago and my neighbors house was broken into and robbed a few weeks ago as well. Just judging life by what I actually experience. I am sure your life experiences are different and they shape your views on these same issues much differently from mine.
Again I would never condone right-wing extremism and things like the Jan. 6th riots are a disgrace and the actions of those right-wing nuts were reprehensible. You can never condone riots like that. They were just as bad and shameful as the Left-wing nuts who burnt cities down over the George Floyd murder.
RamDavidson84
12-05-21, 02:18
Well, that's incorrect. The vaccine is still raging because we have no effective vaccine to reduce transmissions.I hate raging vaccines that aren't effective because the vaccine wasn't effective at reducing vaccines. LOL.
I followed the vaccination rates around the world and it wasn't a significant difference at the speed of distribution from first world to third world nations and remember this, if it wasn't for those first world nations, we wouldn't have a vaccine to begin with. Just curious TK, what country are you from?Am not sure what news channels you watch Ram, but I would consider changing them. Hehe. As of 15 Sep 2021,60% of people in high income countries had received 1 jab, whereas 3% in low income countries had received one. Thats according to the UN. https://news.un.org/en/story/2021/09/1100192.
The World Bank stated that of the first 4 billion vaccine doses used, only 0. 3% of them went to people from low income countries.
Which country am I from? I would rather not say. Nothing against you Ram, but there are plenty others here who pounce on any information to insult and mis-characterise you.
RamDavidson84
12-05-21, 02:36
Am not sure what news channels you watch Ram, but I would consider changing them. Hehe. As of 15 Sep 2021,60% of people in high income countries had received 1 jab, whereas 3% in low income countries had received one. Thats according to the UN. https://news.un.org/en/story/2021/09/1100192.
The World Bank stated that of the first 4 billion vaccine doses used, only 0. 3% of them went to people from low income countries.
Which country am I from? I would rather not say. Nothing against you Ram, but there are plenty others here who pounce on any information to insult and mis-characterise you.Interesting and concerning statistics you present. I followed the world vaccination chart on vaccination rates from CNN I believe. They had an interactive map and I followed much of Latin America and their vaccination rates, hehe especially Mexico and Colombia for obvious reasons and I didn't notice many nations were so far behind. I am always in support of a free market and private ownership of business and industry and unfortunately healthcare is privatized in the USA so I would have to support their rights in a situation like this most of the time, but I think for future pandemics, perhaps there could be a discussion on the use of emergency legislation to allow a more even distribution of a vaccine to third world nations.
And respect to your privacy, the most I would ever reveal about my self on a forum like this is my nationality.
Well, that's incorrect. The vaccine is still raging because we have no effective vaccine to reduce transmissions.You're a great combo. Toxic and stupid.
Vaccines to prevent serious illness AND wear a fucking mask to limit transmission. Jesus f'ing Christ.
Okay so according to you Affiee (the red door) only had one girl available, and that you were the only one there the whole time other than that girl and the lady manager. You didn't take the girl but stayed 30 to 45 minutes. Why? To stare at the wall?LOL, Maybe you need the comprehension course. I never said I was there that particular time for 30 to 45 minutes. I was saying majority of the times I visited there I spent 30 minutes or more, but it seems you like to spin things to fit your own argument. I guess your the CN of the forum. Lmao.
MarquisdeSade1
12-05-21, 05:20
Deaths per one million population per worldometer is 2491 in Colombia, 2422 in USA, and 1486 in Sweden.
Not sure what being an antivaxxer has to do with anything, but those numbers show it really was stupid for the government to have shut down and banned international travel for as long as they did.https://amgreatness.com/2021/12/04/oh-oh-omicron/
I never said I was there that particular time for 30 to 45 minutes.That's exactly what you said when asked how you could possibly know how many girls were present in just ten minutes, a normal time frame for the visit since you didn't take a girl. But let's go back to your original post for the fun of it.
Went to Aiffe on Calle 57 (Argentina) 43-27 earlier today. Sat down, waited for the presentation, the first girl comes out, shows herself and goes back through the curtain. Waited for the next girl, the lady comes out and I though she said wait a moment the girls were getting ready, but more like there' s only one girl. They usually had at least between 5 to 8 girls if I remember. I guess now this is the new norm. This place is one girl away from closing."If you remember" but you obviously don't. This place often over the years has only a few girls to present. Much relates to how many happen to be occupied and / or how early you arrive. It's a smaller operation than say New Life or Zandalay. So on a single visit only one girl was presented, and without asking the manager how many were occupied you assume this is "the new norm" and the place is "one girl away from closing. " That's some fine reasoning ability there pal, beautiful use of logical deduction. LMAO Can you walk and chew gum at the same time? It's not safe for you to be wandering around a foreign country without a guardian. Wink.
Over the dozen times I've been there over a period of 10 years I personally never seen anybody else there and there was always at least 5 girls. Yea right, you are obviously making it up as you go along. Your experience is in German gangbang clubs / sausage fests. Hey why wait for October? LOL Wink. It's obviously minimal for Medellin, and your latest trip was only four days. Affiee (the red door) is well established for many years and popular with North Americans and locals alike. Often men are seen on the couch and chairs deciding on girls. If the door is closed to the big front room than someone is in there. They get plenty of traffic. One reason surely is because the directions to there from New Life are so simple. You obviously know little of these places or common sense when you assume that no one else was in the building because you never saw them. LMAO These places thrive on activities behind closed doors between hookers and customers. And you didn't bother booting up Google translate to see if any other girls were working other than the one presented to you. That's standard procedure when visiting a casa.
Well many of them have. Dulce on Carrera 45 #57-55 is the last one standing on that street The one next door to Dulce Acompania was hanging by a thread before the pandemic and may well resurface later. The only other one on that street was several blocks down the street, was know as the Coffee House. It likewise was a weak business before the pandemic and may have went under prior. It likely won't resurface as it's a personal residence now. Those are the only two failures in that general vicinity. There are five strong businesses in the general area, New Life, Affiee, Dulce, Amigas de Sexy, and Zandalay.
Though no doubt equally divisive. Cop26 was a disaster and here is a superb discussion as to why.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuBJvu6XNww
LOL, Maybe you need the comprehension course. I never said I was there that particular time for 30 to 45 minutes. I was saying majority of the times I visited there I spent 30 minutes or more, but it seems you like to spin things to fit your own argument. I guess your the CN of the forum. Lmao.Yeah, we all know that Paulie is a compulsive liar. He just can't help it.
Nothing is more predictable. Since the start of the pandemic and with few exceptions it's the strong red states that are leading the way when it comes to confirmed Covid cases per 100 K population. This while your leftist states with very few exceptions bring up the rear. And it's Republicans that lead the way by far when it comes to refusing vaccinations. See attachments. This data was already posted so apparently you haven't been following this thread. But save the fake indignation pal as no one here with any sense is buying it. Right wing nuts are the biggest problem we face in this country. They also lead the way in domestic terrorism as determined by Trump's DHS.
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/2020_10_06_homeland-threat-assessment.pdf
P.S. The border is a complex issue but needless to say Trump's "wall" would never have worked.The libtards are destroying their own countries. When looking at the 12 states with most deaths / capita 6 of them are libtard states. Not to mention how the politicians elected by the libtards broke the very same restrictions themselves had implemented.
MarquisdeSade1
12-05-21, 18:22
Am not sure what news channels you watch Ram, but I would consider changing them. Hehe. As of 15 Sep 2021,60% of people in high income countries had received 1 jab, whereas 3% in low income countries had received one. Thats according to the UN. https://news.un.org/en/story/2021/09/1100192.
The World Bank stated that of the first 4 billion vaccine doses used, only 0. 3% of them went to people from low income countries.
Which country am I from? I would rather not say. Nothing against you Ram, but there are plenty others here who pounce on any information to insult and mis-characterise you.Tell us where you're from already, the worst place I can imagine being from would be Lagos, say it ain't so bro?
BTW I feel that 0.3% is offensively high!
You're a great combo. Toxic and stupid.
Vaccines to prevent serious illness AND wear a fucking mask to limit transmission. Jesus f'ing Christ.I will play ball w you.
1. "Vaccines prevent serious illness". Ok, so if I am not bothered about the risk of serious illness, then I am exempt from the vax, right?
2. "Wear a mask to limit transmission" - do you have any evidence at all to support that claim? By evidence I mean an RCT, you know, the type of evidence that scientists normally rely upon. I know of 14 RCTs worldwide on mask use, and NONE of them demonstrated that mask use was effective.
So please demonstrate that it is SB that is toxic and stupid. And, indeed, not you!
Interesting and concerning statistics you present. I followed the world vaccination chart on vaccination rates from CNN I believe.Follow the USA news and you will receive US-centric news. And we all know that the USA doesn't give a flying fuck about anyone else in the world. Hehe. Except Israel and anyone else that pays them to care.
Tell us where you're from already, the worst place I can imagine being from would be Lagos, say it ain't so bro?
BTW I feel that 0.3% is offensively high!Hehe. So tell me, what do I stand to gain from telling you where my home is? And what do you stand to gain? I know the answer to the second question, but I am struggling with the first one.
"I feel that 0. 3% is offensively high".
Don't let compassion ruin your image MdS!
MarquisdeSade1
12-06-21, 00:49
Follow the USA news and you will receive US-centric news. And we all know that the USA doesn't give a flying fuck about anyone else in the world. Hehe. Except Israel and anyone else that pays them to care."Compassion" is a word for want to be manipulators!
I truly "am my brothers keeper" and that applies to inside USA borders!!
I'm glad you went outside the reservation, so now I can say what I really want to say. When I first read your comment starting from the title and I though "what a douce bag. " It doesn't seem like you have been part of this guide or I should say contributed anything to it but typical douchebag trolling comments. You still seem to make your own interpretations out of comments. You should work for CN. All your comments have a douchebag tone to them. If it were some other member that made the comment, for example, WT 69 (whom is a big contributor) I would reply with something like "Oh okay that's possible, I mean you would know". But to a neophyte libtard douchebag, like yourself, that trolls and takes from the forum, I think "NOT".
So on a single visit only one girl was presented, and without asking the manager how many were occupied you assume this is "the new norm" and the place is "one girl away from closing.You still make it sound as if I'm basing my assumptions on one 10 minute visit.
Affiee (the red door) is well established for many years and popular with North Americans and locals alike. Often men are seen on the couch and chairs deciding on girls..LOL. Your delusion illuminates like a Rockwell painting. Maybe you can write an expo piece on them, or better yet a novel. You seem to know so much about this place. Chances are I bet you were behind the red door when I was there or when anyone else was there for that matter. And of course, in your visits there was nowhere to sit because the Couche let alone the floor was full with North Americans and locals alike, eagerly waiting.
These places thrive on activities behind closed doors between hookers and customers. LOL, well who else would be behind the closed doors, if there's anyone? I mean, do you go back there and look. Maybe when you show up the Chica's all play the enferma card and hide in the rooms and the manager has no other option but to say, "las Chicas estand ocupadas. ".
Someone told you or made you think you're smart. You must be real winner outside of this forum because you bring all these other nonrelated topics to the sex guide such as politics, Trump. Etc. More than likely, you can't get a legitimate platform anywhere else. So, you use the sex forum to showcase your so-called douchebag intellect. Couldn't make it in any academia circles, huh? Maybe we should start adding disclaimer clauses in our reports for people like you. We can call it the DB disclaimer. LOL.
Deaths per one million population per worldometer is 2491 in Colombia, 2422 in USA, and 1486 in Sweden.
Not sure what being an antivaxxer has to do with anything, but those numbers show it really was stupid for the government to have shut down and banned international travel for as long as they did.WoW! So you want to compare Sweden to the US and Colombia. I see. How about comparing Sweden to its neighbors? The countries with the most similar climate, population density and genetics?
Worldometer statistics to date:
Deaths per million:
Sweden: 1,485.
Denmark: 508.
Norway: 200.
Finland: 249.
Every way you look at the statistics the conclusion keeps coming back to one central fact. Sweden has done worse than their closest comparatives. I. E. Their neighbors.
No amount of Elvis anal--ysis is going to make the facts different than what they are. Now call Shoo (t) (the) Bree (ze) to come in and tell us again that Iraq is the best country to compare to Sweden.
Shortening the testing window means less contagious people are getting on the crowded planes or waiting in lines in crowded airports. If a person is infected, but tests negative within 24 hours of their flight, there's a good chance they'll be away from the crowds before they are infectious. If an infected person tests negative 3 days before their flight, chances are they will be contagious before they board the plane.
They're making all this fuss about people on airplanes, and yet 20,000 pedestrians cross the border into the US from Tijuana everyday without having to show proof of covid test or vaccinations. Not to mention the other US / MEX border crossings. And they are not practicing social distancing on those crowded pedestrian lines. The people who fly are getting the short of end of the stick. It's sounds like neursosis to me.
For all you chicken littles out there sacred of a flu, I remind you that so far only about 5 millions people worldwide have died of this thing, most of them around 80 years old, or with pre-existing terminal illnesses--a small fraction-of-one-percent of the nearly 8 billion people on this planet. I personally know a 77 year old woman who got covid-19, was sick for a bit, and is now back to her jolly old self.
Like FDR said, the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. This is a pandemic of fear.
They're making all this fuss about people on airplanes, and yet 20,000 pedestrians cross the border into the US from Tijuana everyday without having to show proof of covid test or vaccinations. Not to mention the other US / MEX border crossings. And they are not practicing social distancing on those crowded pedestrian lines. The people who fly are getting the short of end of the stick. It's sounds like neursosis to me.If the Biden people were actually concerned about "crowded planes or waiting in lines in crowded airports", they would put the same testing requirements on all airline passengers, regardless of whether it's an international or domestic flight. After all, the number of cases per one million population is higher in the US than 90% of all countries and territories. If they tried to impose those requirements on domestic flights, there would be a revolution. The international fliers really are getting the short end of the stick.
PolyOrchid
12-07-21, 05:10
This is a pandemic of fear.Sadly so, Frogg. I'm 74, had Delta Dawn in Nicaragua, including pneumonia, came through, and back in the fray. Thank god I've pretty much lived in places where the fear isn't so bad, but I feel the noose is tightening everywhere. And look at the reaction to Omicron, even though the WHO and others say they don't really know how serious it will be. But the first reaction is shut her down. Fear, fear, fear.
Well, I'm following your tracks, Frogg, and am booked for 3 days, January 1-4 in Villavicencio and hope to have half as good a time as you did.
Merry Christmas. And "tranquilo," people.
Let's keep the stupid shit in the stupid shit threads. My post was to pass on information, nothing more.
For all you chicken littles out there sacred of a flu, I remind you that so far only about 5 millions people worldwide have died of this thing, most of them around 80 years old, or with pre-existing terminal illnesses--a small fraction-of-one-percent of the nearly 8 billion people on this planet. I personally know a 77 year old woman who got covid-19, was sick for a bit, and is now back to her jolly old self.
Like FDR said, the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. This is a pandemic of fear.I'll play the game. I personally knew a 63 year old man, in excellent health, with no pre-existing conditions, who died from Covid after spending nearly 3 months in ICU. Does that mean anything? No. Just like your 77 year old woman, he was just one person.
Bringing up one person's experience immediately after mentioning the nearly 8 billion world population, as if that proves anything is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen.
I'm not going to rewrite my own experience with Covid. I'll just say it was the worst experience of my life.
At this point, anyone still referring to Covid as "a flu" is a complete, fucking, clueless moron, who shouldn't be without parental supervision.
Yo Cee Jay.
The bottom line is that you went in a certain casa once, were presented with one girl, and based on this single visit concluded that this was all they had to offer, and without ever asking the manager how many girls were busy. You then further concluded that, based on this experience, that the place is about to go out of business. Those are the points that you consistently ignore and for obvious reasons. I'll let the audience decide how foolish you are.
P.S. It makes perfect sense that you are a Trump conservative. Now all the pieces are fitting together.
Paulie97,
In my opinion the safest solution regarding the spread of covid-19 would be to secure the border which our President, or my President depending on your country, is failing miserably to do anything about.Once again the biggest problem our nation has with Covid is right wingers that spurn mitigation measures such as mask wearing, social distancing and vaccinations. Data has repeatedly been posted on this thread demonstrating that red states with few exceptions have greater Covid case rates based on population since the start of the pandemic than blue states. The difference becomes all the more striking when comparing the states at the top to those at the bottom. I'll include two attachments. Republicans also make up the lion's share by far when it comes to hold outs with vaccinations. And this data has come from more neutral data collection services like World O Meter. The border in the context of Covid is a red herring fit only for propaganda networks like Fox News and the like. And you cannot completely secure the border, even while employing a ridiculous amount of resources. The border is close to 2000 miles long and includes the Rio Grande River. Stowaways can also be hidden in vehicles and we have trade agreements. So what is a red herring? Here ya go.
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Red-Herring
P.S. Thanks for the congenial post.
Elvis 2008
12-07-21, 18:34
WoW! So you want to compare Sweden to the US and Colombia. I see. How about comparing Sweden to its neighbors? The countries with the most similar climate, population density and genetics?
Worldometer statistics to date:
Deaths per million:.Actually, douche, here is a news flash, the pandemic is not over with, and point #1 is Finland, Norway, and Denmark are at all time highs with case numbers while Sweden is not.
And the same can be said about your stupid douche analysis of blue states and red states. Point #2 is right now blue states are getting killed with Covid while red states have a much smaller number of active cases.
I am not cheering on Biden having more cases and deaths than Trump did. Hell, I wish he had a plan that works, but all he is doing is more finger pointing. All you douches do is spin the numbers in an attempt to make Biden look good and Republicans look bad because Biden's plan has sucked ass.
If good governance matter with regards to Covid, point #3 is that we should be looking at fucking Africa as the best in the world.
https://www.science.org/content/article/pandemic-appears-have-spared-africa-so-far-scientists-are-struggling-explain-why
Although Africa reported its millionth official COVID-19 case last week, it seems to have weathered the pandemic relatively well so far, with fewer than one confirmed case for every thousand people and just 23,000 deaths so far. Yet several antibody surveys suggest far more Africans have been infected with the coronavirus discrepancy that is puzzling scientists around the continent. "We do not have an answer," says immunologist Sophie Uyoga at the Kenya Medical Research Institute.
End of quote.
It is funny and here I thought you douches had all the answers. Well, whatever is going on in Africa, it is NOT due to ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine right?
Points #2 and 3 are just to counter your stupid spin that governance has jack shit to do with a virus spreading. To me, all that government does is try to take credit for something good and blame someone else for something bad.
Truth is that it did not matter who was in office, the virus kept spreading, and the Swedish approach, education and persuasion not harsh laws, is going to happen. It is just going to take a lot longer as long as politicians hope to spin that they have all the answers with Covid, and douches like you believe it.
WoW! So you want to compare Sweden to the US and Colombia. I see. How about comparing Sweden to its neighbors? The countries with the most similar climate, population density and genetics?
Worldometer statistics to date:
Deaths per million:
Sweden: 1,485.
Denmark: 508.
Norway: 200.
Finland: 249.
Every way you look at the statistics the conclusion keeps coming back to one central fact. Sweden has done worse than their closest comparatives. I. E. Their neighbors.
No amount of Elvis anal--ysis is going to make the facts different than what they are. Now call Shoo (t) (the) Bree (ze) to come in and tell us again that Iraq is the best country to compare to Sweden.It's funny how you are cherry-picking, we all know that Norway, Finland and Denmark are statistical outliers. So why are you so dishonest?
Sweden is nothing like their neighbors and have much more in common with other European countries such as the UK, France and Belgium.
The UK 2132.
France 1826.
Belgium 2343.
Sweden 1485.
Sweden is a country ravaged by gang shootings, sexual violence, uncontrolled migration and poverty.
There are way more immigrants in Sweden than in Finland, way more gang shootings than in Denmark and we are significantly less prosperous than Norway.
So why would we be the same as our neighbors when we are different in so many other aspects?
Villainy is just another ignorant libtard, he's so stupid that he actually claimed that Sweden is genetically homogeonous and a large part of wellpaying jobs in Europe are with US companies. Its weird that he has yet to present any source to his claim but still have time to make other posts.
One day he might realize that Sweden is full of Turks, Iraqis and Syrians and that those groups are extremely overrepresentated when it comes to Covid.
Also lets not forget to compare Brazil and Colombia with Peru:
Brazil 2868.
Colombia 2494.
Peru 5990.
Good night!
I'll play the game. I personally knew a 63 year old man, in excellent health, with no pre-existing conditions, who died from Covid after spending nearly 3 months in ICU. Does that mean anything? No. Just like your 77 year old woman, he was just one person.
Bringing up one person's experience immediately after mentioning the nearly 8 billion world population, as if that proves anything is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen.
At this point, anyone still referring to Covid as "a flu" is a complete, fucking, clueless moron, who shouldn't be without parental supervision.This does not mean anything to me. People in their 60's die all the time from natural causes, even people in their 40's! The problem is you are afraid of dying of natural cause--I am not. If you lived your life well, why fear dying? I'm not afraid of the flu, of omikron, or whatever weird name you want to call it. I'f I get sick and die, too bad, I've lived happily. And yet, were all going to die--get over it. (I'm am much more frightened of car accidents, which is why I try not to spend time on the road if possible. I know of many more people whose lives have been ruined by car accidents--yet there's no outcry to stop cars on the road). Many people get covid and it does absolutely nothing to them! Yet, like Charles Darwin pointed, the survival of the species goes to the fittest. That the weak are dying only benefits our species. There are 7 billion left. Covid is nothing compared to the post 1492 pandemics that wiped out 90% of indigenous populations. What percent of the human race has died from Covid? I rest my case.
Let's keep the stupid shit in the stupid shit threads. My post was to pass on information, nothing more.
I'll play the game. I personally knew a 63 year old man, in excellent health, with no pre-existing conditions, who died from Covid after spending nearly 3 months in ICU. Does that mean anything? No. Just like your 77 year old woman, he was just one person.
Bringing up one person's experience immediately after mentioning the nearly 8 billion world population, as if that proves anything is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen.
I'm not going to rewrite my own experience with Covid. I'll just say it was the worst experience of my life.
At this point, anyone still referring to Covid as "a flu" is a complete, fucking, clueless moron, who shouldn't be without parental supervision.Actually, Covid-19 is pretty much the same thing as the flu.
0.0% of the Swedish population age 0-70 have died with Covid-19.
PedroMorales
12-07-21, 21:51
Sadly so, Frogg. I'm 74, had Delta Dawn in Nicaragua, including pneumonia, came through, and back in the fray. Thank god I've pretty much lived in places where the fear isn't so bad, but I feel the noose is tightening everywhere. And look at the reaction to Omicron, even though the WHO and others say they don't really know how serious it will be. But the first reaction is shut her down. Fear, fear, fear.
Well, I'm following your tracks, Frogg, and am booked for 3 days, January 1-4 in Villavicencio and hope to have half as good a time as you did.
Merry Christmas. And "tranquilo," people.Good post. The fear porn is never ending. South Park did a good episode on the new variant that hits South Park. The propagandists have entire university sectors teaching marketing. Advertising is a huge industry. They know howq to manipulate people.
You may not be "The Greatest Generation" but you are am ong the last cohort that had independent thinking faculties.
HighOnTravel
12-07-21, 21:56
This does not mean anything to me. People in their 60's die all the time from natural causes, even people in their 40's! The problem is you are afraid of dying of natural cause--I am not. If you lived your life well, why fear dying? I'm not afraid of the flu, of omikron, or whatever weird name you want to call it. I'f I get sick and die, too bad, I've lived happily. And yet, were all going to die--get over it. (I'm am much more frightened of car accidents, which is why I try not to spend time on the road if possible. I know of many more people whose lives have been ruimed by car accidents--yet there's no outcry to stop cars on the road). Many people get covid and it does absolutely nothing to them! Yet, like Charles Darwin pointed, the survival of the species goes to the fittest. That the weak are dying only benefits our species. There are 7 billion left. Covid is nothing compared to the post 1492 pandemics that wiped out 90% of indigenous populations. What percent of the human race has died from Covid? I rest my case.I really believe the majority if people dying from it are vitamin the deficient and don't know it. Probably deficient in other immune system vitamins as well. I take 10 to 15 k iu of vitamin d3 daily, a shit ton if since and 1000 MG of vitamin see like 2 to 3 times daily or every hour if I'm feeling under the weather. I also try to eat as many antioxidant vegetables as well.
Pretty sure I had covid last month. It was an on and off again flu like sickness that last for 5 to 6 weeks. At one point my chest got really bad and I experienced shortness of breath. I feel like if I had not been mega dosing vitamin the and zinc daily that one could have killed me because it was a very persistent sickness that worked in waves. I did notice that once I started taking 1000 MG of vitamin see every hour of the waking day I seemed to recover faster.
RamDavidson84
12-07-21, 23:18
Once again the biggest problem our nation has with Covid is right wingers that spurn mitigation measures such as mask wearing, social distancing and vaccinations. Data has repeatedly been posted on this thread demonstrating that red states with few exceptions have greater Covid case rates based on population since the start of the pandemic than blue states. The difference becomes all the more striking when comparing the states at the top to those at the bottom. I'll include two attachments. Republicans also make up the lion's share by far when it comes to hold outs with vaccinations. And this data has come from more neutral data collection services like World O Meter. The border in the context of Covid is a red herring fit only for propaganda networks like Fox News and the like. And you cannot completely secure the border, even while employing a ridiculous amount of resources. The border is close to 2000 miles long and includes the Rio Grande River. Stowaways can also be hidden in vehicles and we have trade agreements. So what is a red herring? Here ya go.
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Red-Herring
P.S. Thanks for the congenial post.Hey Paulie,
These are all complex issues and again I want to state that this is just my opinion. Regarding covid, I think the biggest problem which no one is speaking about is how the vaccines don't seem to be anywhere near 95-90% effective like they were supposed to be. The virus seems to have spread just as easily before and after the vaccinations began and I understand there will be a plethora of statistics to argue against my point. If you look at the numbers of daily infections around the nation and even other nations, the virus still hasn't been mitigated and the vaccines have been out almost a year. With 60% of the USA population vaccinated and another 50 million confirmed cases, "not counting unconfirmed cases", we should have hit some level of heard immunity which we haven't yet. I attribute much of this due to the false effectiveness of the vaccines. Yes, I could absolutely be wrong. I am also completely aware of how the American media portrays the people who are anti-vaccine as being mostly conservative. That being said, from my experience, Anti-vaccination has much more to do with age, health, and not being able to miss work for several days while you are recovering from the vaccine. Younger healthier adults from both conservative and liberal backgrounds don't feel as threatened by the virus and are not as likely to get the vaccine. I have never actually met someone who fits the liberal narrative of a right wing "anti-vaxer", yes I am sure they are out there, but I don't think they are anywhere as numerous as the liberal media would try to make you believe. It reminds me of the Q-NON weirdos the left tries to associate with conservatives. The vast vast vast majority of conservatives would never associate with such non-sense.
I also agree with you on the fact we should be publicly wearing masks, distancing when necessary, and if you are healthy enough-to get the vaccine. Due to the speed at which the vaccine was created, I don't believe it should mandatory outside public sector employment and I even feel maybe public employees should be able to choose for themselves about what to do with their own health regarding such an unproven vaccine.
Yes of course it would be almost impossible to secure a 2000 mile long border, I am not saying Biden has to secure it 100%, but he could put more effective measures in place to protect the Americans and Mexicans living along the border and just as importantly, take away the economic opportunities for drug cartels to cash in on with an unsecured border. I know it sounds ridiculous, but when you look into it, a nation with the resources of the USA could secure such a vast distance, it wouldn't be as expensive you might think. It does seem to be more feasible than many realize. The previous administration was much more effective at stopping illegal immigration and I am personally quite angry this administration cares so little for all who are victims of an unsecured border. It seems like they are so dismissive of border problems just to spite Trump and his supporters which is sad.
I think a much better solution to the immigration crisis, and I believe is should be referred to as a crisis, would be to create a much easier form of temporary immigration where immigrants can live and work in the USA, pay taxes and have their children schooled here, but they do not get the right to vote or access to certain welfare services. Such a compromise could alleviate much of the problems stemming from unchecked migration. Dems and Republicans would never be able to put their differences aside for such a compromise though.
This does not mean anything to me. People in their 60's die all the time from natural causes, even people in their 40's! The problem is you are afraid of dying of natural cause--I am not. If you lived your life well, why fear dying? I'm not afraid of the flu, of omikron, or whatever weird name you want to call it. I'f I get sick and die, too bad, I've lived happily. And yet, were all going to die--get over it. (I'm am much more frightened of car accidents, which is why I try not to spend time on the road if possible. I know of many more people whose lives have been ruimed by car accidents--yet there's no outcry to stop cars on the road). Many people get covid and it does absolutely nothing to them! Yet, like Charles Darwin pointed, the survival of the species goes to the fittest. That the weak are dying only benefits our species. There are 7 billion left. Covid is nothing compared to the post 1492 pandemics that wiped out 90% of indigenous populations. What percent of the human race has died from Covid? I rest my case.I already rested my case, thanks for proving my point:
At this point, anyone still referring to Covid as "a flu" is a complete, fucking, clueless moron, who shouldn't be without parental supervision.Good job failing to understand the process of natural selection. Fittest refers to the passing on of DNA. A disease which primarily affects people who are past the age of reproduction has no effect on improving the species.
It's not a competition. You don't have to try to come up with something stupider every post. Or does it just come naturally?
Let me combine your thoughtless thoughts. Are you saying that the indigenous people of south and central America benefitted greatly from having 90% killed by disease?
I really believe the majority if people dying from it are vitamin the deficient and don't know it. Probably deficient in other immune system vitamins as well. I take 10 to 15 k iu of vitamin d3 daily, a shit ton if since and 1000 MG of vitamin see like 2 to 3 times daily or every hour if I'm feeling under the weather. I also try to eat as many antioxidant vegetables as well.
Pretty sure I had covid last month. It was an on and off again flu like sickness that last for 5 to 6 weeks. At one point my chest got really bad and I experienced shortness of breath. I feel like if I had not been mega dosing vitamin the and zinc daily that one could have killed me because it was a very persistent sickness that worked in waves. I did notice that once I started taking 1000 MG of vitamin see every hour of the waking day I seemed to recover faster.Really? After 2 years of study by practically every health organization in the world, the solution comes from someone who stays fucked up on any kind of drug he can find, mixing and matching them with no regard for the possible interactions?
I'm sure the Nobel committee will be in touch soon.
It's not a pandemic of fear, it's a fucking plague of idiots.
Actually, Covid-19 is pretty much the same thing as the flu.
0.0% of the Swedish population age 0-70 have died with Covid-19.You're an idiot - 15000 Swedes have died from COVID. Not as many as americans but they're more vaccinated.
Really? After 2 years of study by practically every health organization in the world, the solution comes from someone who stays fucked up on any kind of drug he can find, mixing and matching them with no regard for the possible interactions?
I'm sure the Nobel committee will be in touch soon.
It's not a pandemic of fear, it's a fucking plague of idiots.I love it. Plague of idiots. I'm so sick of this shit. If these chucklefucks would get vaccinated this would be over.
Anti-vaccination has much more to do with age, health, and not being able to miss work for several days while you are recovering from the vaccine.I know hundreds and hundreds of people who got the vax and don't know of a single one who missed work recovering. Zero. Maybe if you had to use your non-dominant arm all day long, maybe you'd miss one day. I got the Moderna and had absolutely zero side effects either shot. I had a sore arm, but that's not a side effect, and I could have swung a sledgehammer or whatever the next day.
Fittest refers to the passing on of DNA. A disease which primarily affects people who are past the age of reproduction has no effect on improving the species.
Are you saying that the indigenous people of south and central America benefitted greatly from having 90% killed by disease?By this reasoning, we should not care at all that the old die. Yet, it's the old people who have highjacked society for rest of us, with their vaccine mandates and shutdowns, thinking they are going to be immortal.
The indigenous survivors, their descendants, and the species as a whole benefited. Now we have a globalized world. Isn't that what you're doing by going to Colombia, international business?
Elvis 2008
12-08-21, 03:08
It's not a pandemic of fear, it's a fucking plague of idiots.Yeah, you do not get to say that after what you have done. Go back and crawl into your hole douche.
Actually, Covid-19 is pretty much the same thing as the flu.
0.0% of the Swedish population age 0-70 have died with Covid-19.As is so often the case Shoo (t) (the) Bree (ze) doesn't know what he is talking about. He (or she) never bothers to verifiy anything he says which means nothing he says can be trusted.
11% of Swedish deaths from CoVid-19 are in the less than 70 age groups.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1107913/number-of-coronavirus-deaths-in-sweden-by-age-groups/
By this reasoning, we should not care at all that the old die. Yet, it's the old people who have highjacked society for rest of us, with their vaccine mandates and shutdowns, thinking they are going to be immortal.
The indigenous survivors, their descedants, and the species as a whole benefited. Now we have a globalized world. Isn't that what you're doing by going to Colombia, international buisness?If you're an ant****ial douchebag, you shouldn't care if old people die. However, for most of those old people who you seem happy to watch perish, there are young people who care about them and learn from them.
As a borderline old person, probably already old in your opinion, I can tell you old people don't think they are immortal. Most are well aware that their remaining time is limited. It's hard not.
To notice when all the people you grew up with start dying.
The old people didn't hijack anything, at least not in an attempt at immortality. All the shutdowns, all the mandates are business decisions. Replacing employees is expensive, cutting productivity is expensive. Having entire schools infected and spreading Covid to everyone around them. Not to mention the strain upon our healthcare system, and the lack of available resources necessary for routine health management.
Finally, let me just clarify about the indigenous people of south America. In 1492 they were self ruled, had public services, culture, government and large cities. Now, they work the hardest, lowest pay. They are mostly mired in poverty and live precariously. Doesn't sound like much of an improvement.
HighOnTravel
12-08-21, 16:40
Really? After 2 years of study by practically every health organization in the world, the solution comes from someone who stays fucked up on any kind of drug he can find, mixing and matching them with no regard for the possible interactions?
I'm sure the Nobel committee will be in touch soon.
It's not a pandemic of fear, it's a fucking plague of idiots.Yet I'm never addicted to any single substance. Why is that? Because I am smart. I never abuse anything for two long without getting it out of my system properly and rotating to something else.
I also eat very healthy, do very strenuous cardio keep a lot of good bacteria in my gut through fermented foods and stay well stocked on vitamins. I do swimming and qigong as well that I learned from a real master in a small rural town in Taiwan years ago not some vague youtube BS.
Vitamin the controls thousands of aspects of your body. You should research it more. Of course the big pharmaceutical companies would prefer you to stay ignorant. And if you trust WHO then you are an actual sub 80 IQ brainlet.
Go get your vitamin the levels tested. The average person has very low levels. It takes months of proper supplementation to accumulate high levels. If you wait until you are already sick it's too late. You can't just increase your levels in a few days. Doesn't work like that. Your body also doesn't absorb calcium well with low levels, prone to high blood pressure, stroke heart disease. The list goes on.
My mom when she was 65 and was very the deficient looked and walked like she was 80. Brittle bones low calcium very weak in general. I got her on a high vitamin the daily dose and after half a year to a year she started turning back to her old self. Now she is 70 and in better health than ever and goes off on big shopping trips pike she did in her youth and very happy. Combine that with zinc and other stuff and take precautions. Fuck injecting something that can alter your DNA.
HighOnTravel
12-08-21, 16:59
Really? After 2 years of study by practically every health organization in the world, the solution comes from someone who stays fucked up on any kind of drug he can find, mixing and matching them with no regard for the possible interactions?
I'm sure the Nobel committee will be in touch soon.
It's not a pandemic of fear, it's a fucking plague of idiots.A plague of idiots? More people literally die from driving their cars everyday and cigarettes each year.
If you know how to eat right, supplement and exercise then your body is a lot more powerful / smarter than you think.
Sheep like you are literally cattle for these big companies herding in and profiting off of all of this. Spreading your silly fear mongering everywhere left and right. I personally feel way more at risk of something bad happening just driving my car each day back home in Atlanta traffic than I do with covid.
Pussies like you who don't know how to fend for ourselves are why we have to wear these stupid fucking masks every day. Imagine growing up as a child in this era only knowing to be masked at all times. I value my natural rights and freedom clearly you do not.
And BTW I was in Wuhan when this stupid covid stuff first broke out. China locked their shit up fast after letting it get put to the rest of the world. I was in total lockdown over there then was finally flown out. Not scared of it then and certainly am not scared of it now.
JohnnyWalker55
12-08-21, 17:41
Just a bunch of decrepit 60-70 year olds like jjbee, huancho, villainy, paulie spending their last 5-10 years on earth screaming into the ether "PLAGUE RATS! GET THE DAMN JAB!
Lmao I really hope it gets better for you guys, I can't imagine being this angry everyday.
Actually, Covid-19 is pretty much the same thing as the flu.
0.0% of the Swedish population age 0-70 have died with Covid-19.You are correct SB. As of 3 Nov 2021, 2.663 Swedes aged 0-70 have died from CV. That's out of roughly 8.500.000 people aged 0-70, and represents 0.03% . Or 0.0 to the nearest 1 decimal point, as you state. The criminal that tries to ridicule you seems to think that by presenting a different equation he can refute your metric. No. You are correct. Over the almost 2 years of CV in Sweden, the death rate of swedes aged 0-70, is 0.0% (0 03%.
The fact that CV deaths of those aged 0-70 represents 11% of total CV deaths, just goes to illustrate how few deaths there have been in total in Sweden.
A plague of idiots? More people literally die from driving their cars everyday and cigarettes each year.People who smoke cigarettes are idiots, though, is the thing.
Sheep like you are literally cattleI'll just let that beauty stand on its own.
As is so often the case Shoo (t) (the) Bree (ze) doesn't know what he is talking about. He (or she) never bothers to verifiy anything he says which means nothing he says can be trusted.
11% of Swedish deaths from CoVid-19 are in the less than 70 age groups.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1107913/number-of-coronavirus-deaths-in-sweden-by-age-groups/Here you go embarrassing yourself again. Are you really from USA? You can't even read or understand regular English.
0. 0% of the Swedish population 0-70 years old have died with Covid-19.
1684 deaths / 8'800'000 Swedes (0-70 years old) = 0. 0 %.
Stop embarrassing yourself.
You are a stupid liar. You should apologize.
I love it. Plague of idiots. I'm so sick of this shit. If these chucklefucks would get vaccinated this would be over.What would be over? People get infected and die with Covid-19 even though they are double vaccinated.
You won't be seeing any unvaccinated non residents here beginning December 14.
Just a bunch of decrepit 60-70 year olds like jjbee, huancho, villainy, paulie spending their last 5-10 years on earth screaming into the ether "PLAGUE RATS! GET THE DAMN JAB!
Lmao I really hope it gets better for you guys, I can't imagine being this angry everyday.
RamDavidson84
12-08-21, 22:07
I know hundreds and hundreds of people who got the vax and don't know of a single one who missed work recovering. Zero. Maybe if you had to use your non-dominant arm all day long, maybe you'd miss one day. I got the Moderna and had absolutely zero side effects either shot. I had a sore arm, but that's not a side effect, and I could have swung a sledgehammer or whatever the next day.Just curious, how did you verify how sick hundreds and hundreds of people felt after the vaccine? I felt awful for two days after the first shot and for a day after the second shot. No way I could have done a manual labor job the next day. Well maybe, but it would have been absolutely miserable. Interestingly enough, the older people who got the shot I spoke with said it wasn't that bad for them. I definitely didn't speak extensively with hundreds of different people about their reaction to the vaccine though.
The president said, "Cuando una persona tiene una prueba negativa, eso no quiere decir que de pronto no pueda tener el virus. " When a person has a negative test it does not mean they will not suddenly have the virus.
??? neither does having a vaccination card.
https://m.elcolombiano.com/colombia/salud/viajeros-internacionales-necesitan-carnet-de-vacunacion-anticovid-para-entrar-a-colombia-BE16124234Just polish up your fake vaccination card and hope there's no consequences. All the crying in the world in a hooker forum won't change these policies. Not to mention that a lot of us are tired of listening to it.
Here you go embarrassing yourself again. Are you really from USA? You can't even read or understand regular English.
0. 0% of the Swedish population 0-70 years old have died with Covid-19.
1684 deaths / 8'800'000 Swedes (0-70 years old) = 0. 0 %.
Stop embarrassing yourself.
You are a stupid liar. You should apologize.OH I see now. You were dazzling the world with your statistical prowess. 0% of Swedes between 0 and 70 died of CoVid. Gee the world wide rate of CoVid is 3.35%. The world wide death rate is 0. 0665%.
So I guess using your statistical prowess you could say that 0% of all the people in the world have died of CoVid.
But of course this comes from a statistical wizard that thinks that CoVid cases are more closely related to "by gang shootings, sexual violence, uncontrolled migration and poverty" and therefore the best comparison for Sweden is anybody but their neighbors.
If anyone should apologize, I think it should be your parents. They should have sent you to a school that teaches arithmetic and simple comparisons.
OH I see now. You were dazzling the world with your statistical prowess. 0% of Swedes between 0 and 70 died of CoVid. Gee the world wide rate of CoVid is 3.35%. The world wide death rate is 0. 0665%.
So I guess using your statistical prowess you could say that 0% of all the people in the world have died of CoVid.
But of course this comes from a statistical wizard that thinks that CoVid cases are more closely related to "by gang shootings, sexual violence, uncontrolled migration and poverty" and therefore the best comparison for Sweden is anybody but their neighbors.
If anyone should apologize, I think it should be your parents. They should have sent you to a school that teaches arithmetic and simple comparisons.Yep, the only reply was insults while repeating the same lies over again, and of course also while ignoring your statistical refutation with source citation. That's impressive indeed, and on the intellectual level of a teenage twerp in a Swedish basement, nada mas.
Yep, the only reply was insults while repeating the same lies over again, and of course also while ignoring your statistical refutation with source citation. That's impressive indeed, and on the intellectual level of a teenage twerp in a Swedish basement, nada mas.Well said Paulie.
Well, Shoo Bree (if he isn't Elvis in drag) isn't exactly an intellectual. He thinks that no one died of CoVid because it is 0% and that other giant of statistical wizardry (JustTK) agrees with him. I guess we can all go back to our lives since 0% die from CoVid.
Vitamin the controls thousands of aspects of your body. You should research it more. Of course the big pharmaceutical companies would prefer you to stay ignorant. And if you trust WHO then you are an actual sub 80 IQ brainlet.The software on this site screws up some things you want to say. Vitamin "the" is Vitamin D, probably D3. Please correct me if I am wrong.
OH I see now. You were dazzling the world with your statistical prowess. 0% of Swedes between 0 and 70 died of CoVid. Gee the world wide rate of CoVid is 3.35%. The world wide death rate is 0. 0665%.
So I guess using your statistical prowess you could say that 0% of all the people in the world have died of CoVid.
But of course this comes from a statistical wizard that thinks that CoVid cases are more closely related to "by gang shootings, sexual violence, uncontrolled migration and poverty" and therefore the best comparison for Sweden is anybody but their neighbors.
If anyone should apologize, I think it should be your parents. They should have sent you to a school that teaches arithmetic and simple comparisons.LMFAO! It amazes me how you manage to be wrong on point after point and yet you do your best to keep deflecting. For fuck sake, you're an old demented retard who can't even understand your native language.
If you don't understand something is it simply a result of you being too dumb to get it.
Anyways, you're statistically more likely to get murdered in Colombia than what it's for a Swede in the age 0-69 to die with Covid-19.
Perhaps it's because I'm English, or perhaps it's my age, or perhaps it's just blind prejudice, but when I wake to the news that the Austrian government has interned an entire third of its national population as a 'danger to public health', a chill runs down my spine.
Austria, I think to myself. Ah.
I look at the news photos of armed, masked, black-clad police stopping people in the streets to ask for their digital papers, and I read stories of others arrested for leaving their own house more than the permitted once a day, and I hear Austrian politicians intoning that those who refuse to accede to the injection are to be shunned and scapegoated until they acquiesce. Then I watch interviews with 'ordinary people', and they say that the 'unvaxxed' had it coming. Some of them say that they should all be jailed, these enemies of the people. At best, the 'anti-vaxxers' are paranoid and misinformed. At worst they are malicious, and should be punished.
A few days later I wake up to some more news about Austria: from next year, everyone in the country will have a covid vaccine forced into them by the state, overriding their right to what certain people, who have gone very quiet recently, used to call 'bodily autonomy. '.
Then I look across the border at Germany. I see that in Germany, politicians are also considering interning the 'vaccine hesitant', and are currently discussing forcing vaccination upon every citizen. By the end of the winter, says Germany's refreshingly honest health minister, Germans will be 'vaccinated, cured or dead. ' There is apparently no fourth option.
They have been busy in Germany. Recently they put up fences in Hamburg to separate the Bad Unvaxxed from the Good Vaxxed at the Christmas markets. Outdoors. Perhaps they will also provide the Good people with rocks to throw across those fences. When I see cartoons like the one at the top of this page, which recently appeared in a mainstream German newspaper, I think that this may not be far off. Here, the man on the sofa has bought himself a first-person shooter game in which he can having fun killing unvaccinated people. It will be, says the cartoonist, 'a big hit under the Christmas tree. '.
Ha ha ha, I think. Germany. Fences. Internment. Forced injections. Armed police. Scan your code. Kill the unvaxxed.
Ha ha ha.
I am watching all this from Ireland, the country which has the highest adult vaccination rate in Western Europe, at over 94% of the population. At the same time, curiously, we have some of the highest covid infection rates in Western Europe too. The government has not been able to explain this fact, but it is a trend that has recently manifested in some other highly-vaccinated places too: Gibraltar, Israel, West Flanders. High levels of vaccination do not seem to correspond with low-levels of disease; often quite the opposite.
In other parts of the world, strange things are happening too. Africa, for example. Africa's population is the largest, fastest-growing and materially poorest of any continent. Few governments there can afford to supply their people with the pricey corporate vaccines which we in the West have staked our nations on. Only 6% of Africa's population is vaccinated, and national healthcare systems barely exist in many places, yet the WHO describes the continent as 'one of the least affected regions in the world' by the virus. In fact, the richer, more 'developed' parts of the world seem to be suffering worst from the pandemic.
Nobody seems to be able to explain any of this, but that hasn't changed the official direction of travel. Certainly in Ireland, the script remains the same. For six months we have been living with vaccine apartheid, with the 'unvaxxed' excluded from much of society, but it hasn't worked. Rates of infection are shooting up as winter arrives. As you might expect with a respiratory virus. We were all told recently to work from home, and another lockdown is on the cards. A midnight curfew has recently been imposed on pubs and nightclubs. This is odd, as only vaccinated people have been allowed into them for months, and we have repeatedly been assured that vaccinated people are safe to be around.
In an honest society, all of this would have been subject to robust public debate. We would have seen scientists of all opinions openly debating on TV and radio and in the press; views of all kinds aired on social media; journalists properly investigating reports of both vaccine successes and vaccine dangers; serious explorations of alternative treatments; public debates about the balance between civil liberties and public health, and what 'public health' even means. But we have not seen this and we will not see it, for debate, like dissent, is out of fashion. The media here in Ireland has not asked a critical question of anyone in authority for at least eighteen months. Google's algorithms are busy burying inconvenient data, while the social media channels from which most people receive their worldview are removing or suppressing critical opinions, even if they come from virologists or editors of the British Medical Journal.
Day after day, I have been waking and wondering: what is going on?
Internment. Mandatory medication. Segregation of whole sections of society. Mass sackings. A drumbeat media consensus. The systematic censoring of dissent. The deliberate creation by the state and the press of a climate of fear and suspicion. What could possibly justify this? Perhaps the combination of a terrible pandemic which killed or maimed large percentages of those it infected, and the existence of a safe and reliable medicine which was proven to prevent its spread. This, of course, is what we are said to be living through. This is the Narrative.
But it is clear enough by now that the Narrative is not true. Covid-19 is a nasty illness which should be taken seriously, especially by those who are especially vulnerable to it. But it is nowhere near dangerous enough. If anything could be. To justify the creation of a global police state. As for the vaccines. Well, let's just acknowledge that vaccination has become a subject which it is virtually impossible to discuss with any calmness or clarity, at least in public. As with almost every other big issue in the West today, opinion is divided along tribal lines and filtered through the foetid swamp of anti-social media, to emerge monstrous and dripping into the light.
Often, in an argument, what people think they are arguing about is not the real subject of disagreement, which is deeper and often unspoken, if it is even understood. So it is here. The divisions that have opened up in society about the covid vaccines are not really about the covid vaccines at all: they are about what vaccination symbolises in this moment. What it means to be 'vaxxed' or 'unvaxxed', safe or dangerous, clean or dirty, sensible or irresponsible, compliant or independent: these are questions about what it means to be a good member of society, and what society even is, and they are detonating like depth charges beneath the surface of the culture.
This is not to say that the surface disagreements don't matter. They do. There are plenty of good reasons to be concerned about these medications and their enforced use. Here we have a novel technology, never before used at scale or for this purpose, used to create a series of vaccines which have been rolled out to millions before their clinical trials are even complete. This is an unprecendented situation. As is vaccination for a respiratory virus in the middle of a pandemic, which some people with serious expertise warn may worsen the sitution rather than end it. The companies manufacturing these things are making equally unprecedented hourly profits, and their long histories of dishonesty and cover-ups, plus the fact that they are legally immune from any liability for problems arising from these vaccines, makes it impossible to take seriously their assurances of safety. And when we witness an active state / media campaign against early treatment of a disease. The precise opposite of what every doctor is taught at medical school. Along with a refusal to report any of the mounting evidence of short-term side-effects, it ought to be clear that something is happening which cannot be explained by the story we are being told.
For all these reasons and more, I have not been vaccinated against covid, and I don't plan to be. This does not make me 'anti-vax' - a category that is designed to feed into the ongoing culture war narrative which separates the good from the bad people, and leads both sides in that war to demonise the other. I am not against vaccination, and I certainly wouldn't imagine I had a right to tell others what to do with their bodies. I don't believe that the available covid vaccines are ineffective. Though they do not do what they were sold to us as doing. And I can see plenty of reasons for people, especially vulnerable people, to take them if they choose.
I expect that readers of this essay could argue with me about my decision if they felt like it, and I expect I could argue back. This is what much of the world has been doing sine these vaccines arrived on the scene. We could all throw peer-reviewed studies that we don't really understand at each other, and they would all miss the mark because the vaccine is not the point. The point is what it symbolises. And what it is being used to build.
I am a writer. I know how to construct stories. I know what makes them succeed or fail, and I have a nose for when a story does not hang together. The covid Narrative is just such a story. It doesn't fit together, even on its own terms. Something is wrong. The surface tale does not reflect what lies beneath. And what lies beneath is what interests me now.
We live in an apocalyptic time, in the original sense of the Greek word apokalypsis: revelation. What is happening on the surface is revealing what has always lain beneath, but which in normal times is hidden from view. All of the action now is in the underworld. Beneath the arguments about whether or not to take a vaccine that may or may not work safely, glides something older, deeper, slower: something with all the time in the world. Some great spirit whose work is to use these fractured times to reveal to us all what we need to see: things hidden since the foundation of the modern world.
Covid is a revelation. It has lain bare splits in the social fabric that were always there but could be ignored in better times. It has revealed the compliance of the legacy media and the power of Silicon Valley to curate and control the public conversation. It has confirmed the sly dishonesty of political leaders, and their ultimate obeisance to corporate power. It has shown up 'The Science' for the compromised ideology it is.
Most of all, it has revealed the authoritarian streak that lies beneath so many people, and which always emerges in fearful times. In the last month alone I have watched media commentators calling for censorship of their political opponents, philosophy professors justifying mass internment, and human rights lobby groups remaining silent about 'vaccine passports. ' I have watched much of the political left transition openly into the authoritarian movement it probably always was, and countless 'liberals' campaigning against liberty. As freedom after freedom has been taken away, I have watched intellectual after intellectual justify it all. I have been reminded of what I always knew: cleverness has no relationship to wisdom.
I have learnt more about human nature in the last two years than in my preceding forty-seven. I have learnt some things about myself too, and I don't especially like them either. I have noticed my ongoing temptation to become a partisan: to judge and condemn those on the other side of the question. Those sheeple, those malicious enemies of Truth. I have noticed my tendency to seek out only sources of information which confirm my beliefs. Revelation is never comfortable.
Most of all, though, what the covid apocalypse has revealed to me is that when people are frightened, they can be easily controlled.
Control: this is the story of the times. Across the world we are seeing an unprecedented claim to control staked by the forces of the state, in alliance with the forces of corporate capital, over your life and mine. All of it converges on the revealed symbol of our age: the smartphone-enabled QR code that has, with frightening speed and in near-silence, become the new passport to a full human life. As ever, our tools have turned on us. Another revelation: they were never our tools to begin with. We were theirs.
Amongst the vast flock of contested facts that wheel around this virus like a murmuration of starlings, darkening the skies and addling the mind, one stands out. It is the single fact that blows a cathedral-shaped hole in the strategy being pursued by governments at present, and which offers a glimpse into the crypt. It is the fact that these vaccines, whatever their efficacy in other areas, do not prevent transmission of the virus.
This single fact. Which has long been known but is barely ever mentioned. Blows apart the case for vaccine passports, segregation, lockdowns of the 'unvaxxed' and all such similar measures. Even if you believe (or pretend to) that this virus is dangerous enough to justify the radical new forms of authoritarianism which have emerged around it. And I certainly don't. Those forms will fail anyway if both vaccinated and unvaccinated people can spread it; which we know they can.
What, then, can be the justification for the system of technological control and monitoring which has arisen around us with curious speed and smoothness over the last year? And what could explain the strangely similar language in which the world's governments explain and justify this system, which so many have adopted in similar ways with similar technologies in similar timeframes? That the 'unvaxxed' are a danger to society, and that the 'vaxxed' must be protected from them is the pretext. But as we are seeing on the ground in Ireland, the pretext is baseless.
If we were operating, as we pretend to be, from the ground of reason. If we really were 'following The Science' - then we would be dismantling these systems at this point. Instead we are moving deeper into them. We are being herded into a future in which scanning a code to prove you are a safe and obedient member of society will be a permanent feature of life, as unquestioned as credit cards and driver's licences. We are moving towards enforced mandatory vaccination of entire populations. Including children. And prison sentences for those who refuse. By winter's end, we could be living in a world in which the state has taken full charge of our bodies, and our only chance of remaining active members of society is to submit to their every instruction, and agree to permanent digital monitoring to prove our compliance.
Eighteen months ago, anyone suggesting that this would be the direction of travel when this virus arrived in town would have been dismissed as a paranoid David Icke fanboy. But over that eighteen months we have moved smoothly from 'two weeks to flatten the curve' to 'mandatory injections to avoid prison. ' We have normalised this, and accepted it. We have not asked questions. Those who have dissented have been censored, silenced, bullied and abused.
Even as I was writing this essay, the situations in Germany and Austria were eclipsed by news from Down Under. This weekend, the Australian army began shifting covid-infected people into state-run camps. Parts of the Northern Territories of Australia have entered a 'hard lockdown', in which nobody can leave their house for any reason at all except for urgent medical treatment. Those who have contracted the virus, or simply been in contact with someone who has, will now be forcibly 'transferred' by soldiers to a government-run camp where they will be held until the state decrees they are safe enough to be released.
These 'mandatory supervised quarantine facilities' have been used to quarantine incoming travellers for the last year. Now they are being used to 'contain' Australian citizens. You can watch this measure being announced by the government here. You can see another Australian politician fulminating about the 'unvaxxed' and what he would like to do to them here. If after this you are not filled with foreboding, then I don't know what to say to you.
My own sense of foreboding is deepening daily. Beneath the surface, down in those depths, I am far from the only one who can see what is emerging. The Narrative does not hang together, the story does not gel, but it is doing its job nonetheless. It is being used to summon forth and justify an unprecedented authoritarian technocracy which is hemming us all in with no consent, no debate, and no right to opt out.
In a short but momentous two years, this is who we have become. We in the West, who have spent decades, if not centuries, lecturing the rest of the world about 'freedom', and sometimes trying to bomb them into accepting it. We who invented this thing called 'liberalism'; we who are now burying it. It didn't take much, did it, for our words to be revealed as hollow?
Nearly a decade ago, I wrote an essay called The Barcode Moment. It's collected in my book Confessions of a Recovering Environmentalist, but you can also read the original version, in three parts, here, here and here. It was about the advance of intrusive technologies, and the question it posed was: where will you draw your line? I was trying to work out for myself the answer to this question, which has nagged at me for years. At what moment does the direction of travel of the Machine become so obvious, so intolerable, so frightening, that you can no longer acquiesce? What is the breaking point? For some people it was smartphones. For others it might have been social media. These days I think that the really smart people stepped off the carousel at dial-up modems and went quietly into the woods.
That essay was easy to write compared to this one. Ten years ago, I shivered at the sight of Google's new Glass technology, which in retrospect was an early shot at a prototype metaverse, and wrote about what it might portend. It turns out that it's a dozen times easier to write about a future of technological control that might be around the corner than it is to write about it as it manifests around you.
But this is what is happening today. Over the last six months I have been writing about the evolution of the vast grid of technological control that I call the Machine: where it came from, what powers it, how we manifest it in our culture and in our individual lives. Over the next few months, I was planning to write about how it manifests in the here and now, in our politics, society and culture. I will still be doing that, but I find myself being overtaken by events. By the time I finish writing these essays, we will be living in a very different world to the one we lived in when I started them. We already are.
The covid pandemic has proven to be the perfect controlled experiment for the rollout of the next stage of the Machine's evolution. This is the missing piece of the jigsaw puzzle without which the rest cannot be deciphered. The Narrative does not make sense until we understand that we are watching a new, radical form of techno-authoritarianism unfold before our eyes. It is not an accident, and it is not temporary. In the EU, Smartphone-enabled vaccine passes have been on the cards since at least 2018. The entire pandemic scenario was wargamed less than a year before it happened. The technology was ready, and the tightening of the ratchet long anticipated. All that was needed was a trigger event. As I wrote in my last essay here, the future in a collapsing society is a combination of both breakdown and clampdown. So it begins.
No 'conspiracy theory' is required for this to be true. It doesn't mean that the virus is not real or dangerous, or that Bill Gates wants to inject you with microchips (well, he might, but that's a separate conversation.) No hidden cabal of people needs to be in control. The people who are in control. Or at least, who aspire to be. Are out in plain sight, and have been for years, and most of us either don't notice or don't care. We are too busy playing with the toys they make for us. And what is the line between Them and Us, and how blurred is it?
What we are seeing is the Machine doing what it always does; what I have traced through its history for the past six months. It is taking advantage of events to cement its dominance. It is colonising our societies and our bodies and our minds. It is replacing nature with technology, and culture with commerce. It is making us parts in its operational matrix, and it is using our fear to justify its tightening grip. When we are afraid, we welcome control, we welcome authoritarianism, we welcome strong leaders who will save Us by excluding Them. We willingly give up our freedom for safety, and end up with neither. Our fear leads us by the hand towards the next stage of our long journey away from Earth and into artifice; away from human freedom and into the digital net.
Perhaps you think this sounds exaggerated. Hysterical, even. Just a few months ago I might have agreed. A year ago, I almost certainly would. But a year ago I had not seen what I have seen now. I had not seen the smartphone passports, the QR scanners, the meek public compliance, the deliberate whipping up of fear and hatred by political leaders. I had not seen the mandatory vaccination orders. I had not seen the camps.
Next week I will write more on what I see happening, and where it is heading. But for now, it is enough to say that my personal Vaccine Moment has arrived. Where once I was on the fence, now I am firmly off it. Even if I were to be convinced that these vaccines worked safely, I could never get myself a vaccine passport and acquiesce in the technological segregation of society. I could never scan my code without shivering. I cannot participate in this.
We all have a breaking point, and we all should, because this is the means by which our human intuition screams to us that something is wrong. This is mine. I will not go along with what is happening. I will not validate what is emerging. I will resist it. I will take my stand.
What has been interesting about just the last few days, as I have struggled with how to express myself here, is that huge numbers of people have taken to the streets to say the same thing: enough. As the pressure builds, the explosions begin. Following widespread walkouts and strikes in the USA in recent weeks, hundreds of thousands of people across Europe have begun to take to the streets to oppose the closing-in of the technium. Few of these vast demonstrations have been reported in the mainstream media. Another of those facts which, if the world was what it pretends to be, would ring alarm bells, but which we have become inured to in the age of the Spectacle.
But something is happening out there. It's as if the Vaccine Moment is some kind of thoughtform, drifting through the air, settling on millions of us at once like soft rain. Or perhaps it is more that a fog has suddenly cleared. Perhaps more and more people are coming to see that what is happening now is the Rubicon of our age. Nothing will be the same after this, and it is not intended to be. If we don't want the future to look like a QR code flickering across a human face forever, we are going to have to do something about it.
PedroMorales
12-09-21, 18:17
Perhaps it's because I'm English, or perhaps it's my age, or perhaps it's just blind prejudice, but when I wake to the news that the Austrian government has interned an entire third of its national population as a 'danger to public health', a chill runs down my spine..The best post I have seen anywhere in quite a while.
Elvis 2008
12-09-21, 20:27
I get that the author is pessimistic, and there is reason to be. What has stunned me is how time and again the government has entered the health arena, lied, had horrific results, and they have continued about their way. Instead of people getting upset with the CDC lying about heterosexual AIDS, a fact, they have insisted that condom usage means safe sex. Even some here are taking pills as prophylaxis against HIV after sex which is fucking insane.
The government crack down on pain pills is another. In 2000, there were 3,000 deaths, and that number went to 10,000 in 2010. Doctors and pain pills were blamed. In 2010, the DEA announces there will be a crackdown, and now there is one-third as much pain medication prescribed as in 2010. Of course, if you use death rates instead of pills prescribed, then the war on pain was a horrific failure and now there is a 100,000 people a year dying. People needing pain medications are buying pills marked as oxycontin but have lethal levels of fentanyl within them, and the notion that we should go back to what the policies were in 2010 is not even being discussed. Better still would be a Portugal policy where all drugs are decriminalized and they have like 10 overdoses per year. I will say the state of Oregon has decriminalized some drugs and now people are able to get their hands on heroin but not oxycontin. Before the shaming of the unvaxxed, there was a shaming of those in chronic pain. Again, it is fucking insane.
I won't forget during the Bush administration where someone came up with the notion of a chemical weapons attack and that if you duct taped your windows, you would not die. I was not sure where this came from (maybe Bush's team was trying to scare people about chemical weapons), but suffice to say, there was a run on duct tape, and you could not find any for weeks. Fucking insane again.
Given the government's history in public safety and hysteria, I have been skeptical that we are not going to see complete compliance. Flatten the curve has been forgotten as has the duct tape scare. Mexico did not catch the hysteria in any of those 3 above episodes, and I was hopeful once more it would be a refuge. But I was in Mexico when it finally shut down in March 2020, and I was so depressed thinking, "Even Mexico now is fucking insane."
The depression was so bad I would go to Walmart every day just to get out. I think the funniest lockdown scare was a buddy of mine got the keys to a gym we go to. It is just he and I and it is like 11 at night, and we see a cop drive by and we run to the back scared we are going to get arrested. Fucking insane.
I realize that you are never going to get 100% resistance, but like all the other times, I thought there would be little to none, but I have been seeing some green roots growing. The leftists in our country, the Democratic douches, will do whatever the government says, but the liberal wing of the Democratic party, has had enough. They are openly speaking up against the restrictions now. The leftists do not get that it was fatigue from the dictatorial deep state, the people in three letter government organizations like CDC and NIH, that got Trump elected. They just think we are stupid and the recent Virginia election was an outlier. It is going to take a beatdown in 2022 and 2024 before Covid is out of the headlines because at this point more now than ever, this is not a health issue but a political one. I do not have high expectations for the Republicans fighting the bureaucratic deep state but I think they will make things a little more reasonable.
I have been looking at spending way more time in Colombia and Mexico and while Mexico has been the more rational of countries for tourists, Colombia did revolt when the government got too crazy. Colombia has changed the Covid entrance requirements 8 times in the last 15 months for foreigners, so I cannot imagine the insanity if you run a business there. Still, a revolt against federal government policies would never happen in the USA; there are too many people living off their government checks.
But I am in a good mood because I now know that there are a ton of people who feel the same way. In this video, a youtuber asks what we can do to change our oppressive government, and no one had a viable solution except one, leave.
The youtuber's solution was to enjoy the decline, and he offered a one line zinger that summarizes how I feel exactly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXvcZwbEFuU.
"People don't want freedom they want free shit." I cannot think of a more apt line that summarizes everything so well.
The Vaccine Moment by Paul KingsnorthVery well written. Now get ready for the attacks, even though you are not the author.
RamDavidson84
12-09-21, 22:03
You posted a truly profound piece of literature. Very excellent read, quite troubling as well.
Just polish up your fake vaccination card and hope there's no consequences. All the crying in the world in a hooker forum won't change these policies. Not to mention that a lot of us are tired of listening to it.We are extremely tired of seeing you spam this forum with lies and personal attacks.
What would be over? People get infected and die with Covid-19 even though they are double vaccinated.Yes they do at a rate of less than 1/20th of unvaxxed. The bigger point is that the spread will slow down and stop if we all get vaxxed. I have wasted too much time on this subject. The antivaxxers just plain won't listen to facts, make up facts and completely ignore that hospitals are full of retards who won't get vaxxed. Hope you have a heart attack and don't get treated because the hospital is full of jackwagons who did their research- they will not be convinced- so unless it goes away. Expect more vaccine mandates- if it was up to me -unvaxxed would get put in a gymnasium and given horse dewormer when they got sick- as far as I'm concerned. If you won't take one for the team you shouldn't be part of the team.
Just a bunch of decrepit 60-70 year olds like jjbee, huancho, villainy, paulie spending their last 5-10 years on earth screaming into the ether "PLAGUE RATS! GET THE DAMN JAB!
Lmao I really hope it gets better for you guys, I can't imagine being this angry everyday.Do you know what's even sadder? You, for a few obvious reasons.
1. You are obviously lacking in reading comprehension skills. I've certainly never told anyone to get vaccinated. I've stated, more than once that, in my opinion, it's in most people's best interest to get vaccinated, but whether or not they do doesn't matter to me. I don't believe anyone else who you listed has insisted people get vaccinated. What they and I have stated is that Covid is a serious issue. That's not an extremely radical position. Basically every country, every research organization, every healthcare organization, etc, has stated the same thing. Considering the past 20 months, anyone smarter than a hamster recognizes that Covid is quite likely the most significant event within our lifetimes, no matter how you want to measure it.
2. The people who you listed have been writing about something they believe in, right or wrong, each of us has a certain amount of passion for the subject. You're not here to discuss, debate or provide information. You're merely here to spit on people because of their age. What could be more pathetic than that?
3. You're speaking of things which you have no knowledge. I've never met Huacho, but the rest of the guys you feel threatened by, myself included, are generally easy going, laid back guys.
Our last 5-10 years on earth? I suppose if you go by actuarial tables, that might be within range for one or two of us. However, it's a rather silly prediction to make. It's silly because whether we die in 5 years or 45 years doesn't matter at all to you. What's more, assuming you live to be "60-70", you'll be right where you think it's sad that we are, although I'm not quite 60 yet. Where will you be then? Will you be living as well as I am? Will you be doing the things I'm doing? Will you be happy and satisfied? For all you know, you'll be laying in a hospital bed, unable to wipe your own ass.
Although, considering your post, you're not figuratively there already.
A plague of idiots? More people literally die from driving their cars everyday and cigarettes each year.
If you know how to eat right, supplement and exercise then your body is a lot more powerful / smarter than you think.
Sheep like you are literally cattle for these big companies herding in and profiting off of all of this. Spreading your silly fear mongering everywhere left and right. I personally feel way more at risk of something bad happening just driving my car each day back home in Atlanta traffic than I do with covid.
Pussies like you who don't know how to fend for ourselves are why we have to wear these stupid fucking masks every day. Imagine growing up as a child in this era only knowing to be masked at all times. I value my natural rights and freedom clearly you do not.
And BTW I was in Wuhan when this stupid covid stuff first broke out. China locked their shit up fast after letting it get put to the rest of the world. I was in total lockdown over there then was finally flown out. Not scared of it then and certainly am not scared of it now.And that's what happens when you fry your brain cells daily.
Let's start with the obvious:
Neither traffic accidents, nor smoking are communicable diseases. They aren't comparable to Covid. However, let's look at traffic deaths.
Every year about 1.35 million people die from traffic accidents. If we average it out, over the past 2 years, about 2.8 million people have died from Covid each year. I guess you should have just stuck with smoking, which is more deadly. Except that smoking is a choice, while getting an infectious disease isn't.
I'm actually pretty good at fending for myself. For example, I don't stagger and stumble around in foreign cities, unable to speak because I'm so fucked up, a self-inflicted condition which makes it impossible to fend for yourself.
Natural rights? Freedom? What the fuck are you babbling about? You think putting on a mask takes away your freedom? There are hundreds of thousands of requirements which you are subject to every single day, but if you have to put a mask over your face it's the same as being thrown in prison? Whatever you say.
As for your "change drugs every few days so you don't get addicted" silliness, that's just plain stupid. If you can't get through your day without some type of chemical crutch, you're already addicted. All your method does is prevent physical withdrawal symptoms, which might be worse in the long run.
Being addicted to one drug, a physical addiction, is finite. The drug takes its toll until you reach rock bottom. At that point you either die from the addiction, or you get the help you need and recover, giving you the opportunity to go on with life. However, being addicted to the effects of the drugs has no boundaries. Each one takes a toll, but it's not immediately recognized as related to the drugs, as with your stomach issues with alcohol. There's little hope of recovery, because you don't get into the love-hate relationship with the one drug. You just keep jumping from high to high, until you hit the wrong combination, or the cumulative bills all come due at once.
Yes they do at a rate of less than 1/20th of unvaxxed. Please provide a link to the research to substantiate that claim.
You posted a truly profound piece of literature. Very excellent read, quite troubling as well.I'm beginning to suspect that you've never read a good book. Those were the ramblings of a clueless blogger / conspiracy theorist who was out of court before he got started. Truth was optional. His whole argument centered on Ireland and Sub-Saharan Africa and he misinterprets both. A surge in infections was expected in Ireland as we enter winter. What's telling is that the death totals of the last two months are drastically lower than a similar surge back in January / February. The cases to deaths ratio has greatly diminished which is evidence that the vaccines are working. Improved treatments are also a factor, though not near enough over the last 9 or 10 months to account for the great disparity. In fact their total deaths linear scale has moved only a bit since the summer.
As to Sub-Saharan Africa, that's easy. They have a very young population, median age 16 to 17. We all know the young are less effected by Covid. They also have few if any long term care facilities and limited testing capabilities. None of this applies to South Africa and their stats look very different. Check the data yourself.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/ireland/
Please provide a link to the research to substantiate that claim.You need to ask the same of the blogger that you and JustTK have your head up between the butt cheeks of, not a link in site.
Very well written. Now get ready for the attacks, even though you are not the author.Anyone not given to attacks shouldn't post links to such poorly written, unsourced, uninvestigated blog posts. C'est La Vie.
I've never met Huacho, but the rest of the guys you feel threatened by, myself included, are generally easy going, laid back guys.I'm not easy going or laid back and anyone who does not want to get vaccinated should be bastinadoed.
Just a bunch of decrepit 60-70 year olds like jjbee, huancho, villainy, paulie spending their last 5-10 years on earth screaming into the ether "PLAGUE RATS! GET THE DAMN JAB!
Lmao I really hope it gets better for you guys, I can't imagine being this angry everyday.Pot calling the kettle black as you've had plenty to say on this thread and likely aren't done. As to anger, who has the cap key on? LMAO. But your anit-vaxxer / Convid conspiracy theorist side, though a minority view in the world, has the greater representation on this thread, and are a sure bet to get the last word. No dedication beats dedication to lies.
P.S. As to longevity, based on health and family history I likely have about another 30 years. But yea, being only in your 30's or 40's doesn't do you much good if you are ugly and / or fat as hell, or just stupid. You are good for at least one, if not all three.
A plague of idiots? More people literally die from driving their cars everyday and cigarettes each year.
If you know how to eat right, supplement and exercise then your body is a lot more powerful / smarter than you think.
Sheep like you are literally cattle for these big companies herding in and profiting off of all of this. Spreading your silly fear mongering everywhere left and right. I personally feel way more at risk of something bad happening just driving my car each day back home in Atlanta traffic than I do with covid.
Pussies like you who don't know how to fend for ourselves are why we have to wear these stupid fucking masks every day. Imagine growing up as a child in this era only knowing to be masked at all times. I value my natural rights and freedom clearly you do not..I got busy and neglected one part of this gem of a response.
I have 2 questions about your claim you were in Wuhan.
1. When was this? Was it back in 2019 when a respiratory illness of unknown origin was reported in Wuhan? Was it when the SARS-CoV-2 virus was isolated? Was it when the WHO declared the pandemic? Or was it when travel restrictions began? I'm asking, because that covers about 6 months.
2. So what? Is that how you think knowledge is gained? There are several buildings designed by Frank Lloyd Wright convenient to me. If I go tour them do I magically become an architect? Better yet, I was married to an artist and spent several years dealing with all things art, including some modeling. I can just visit a few galleries and poof, I'm an artist. Heck, I can go cruise the halls of a med school and next week I'll be a doctor.
Regarding your lecture on vitamins, it appears I know more about them than you.
1. There's a limit to how much of each vitamin your body can assimilate. Exceeding those limits is at best useless.
2. Vitamins received from eating properly are more effective than swallowing a few handfuls of pills.
3. Overdosing vitamins and minerals can cause some serious health issues.
Please provide a link to the research to substantiate that claim."A new study from the CDC published Friday finds that people who are vaccinated were far less likely to develop COVID-19 and to be hospitalized or die from the disease.
Compared to people who were not vaccinated, people who were vaccinated were five times less likely to develop COVID-19. They were 10 times less likely to be hospitalized and die from the disease. "
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/what-is-your-actual-risk-of-getting-covid-19-if-youre-vaccinated#Breakthrough-infections-risk.
"Fully vaccinated people with a vaccine breakthrough infection are less likely to develop serious illness than those who are unvaccinated and get COVID-19.
Even when fully vaccinated people develop symptoms, they tend to be less severe symptoms than in unvaccinated people. This means they are much less likely to be hospitalized or die than people who are not vaccinated. "
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effectiveness/why-measure-effectiveness/breakthrough-cases.html
"We do not have conclusive proof. But more and more studies and real-world evidence points to fully vaccinated people, who are not immunocompromised, are less likely to transmit the virus if they become infected," said Brian Laird, PharmD, manager of Pharmacy Operations at OSF HealthCare Heart of Mary Medical Center in Urbana, Illinois. "The reason why is that vaccinated people have a lower viral load if they get infected," Brian said.
https://www.osfhealthcare.org/blog/fully-vaccinated-less-likely-to-pass-covid-19-to-others/
This last is why it matters to ME if YOU are vaccinated, and why you're a selfish asshole if you're not.
Elvis 2008
12-10-21, 03:33
Please provide a link to the research to substantiate that claim.FL, he is just another Democratic douche spouting off their dogma. You can tell just by the term "horse dewormer". There are 68 million horses and 8 billion people, and the use of ivermectin in people (and dogs, cats, reptiles ETC) dwarfs the number of horses, so you can imagine who came up with that name. Clearly, the vaccine manufacturers are worried about it.
You might ask why. Every fucking day the NYT sends me a morning email and there is the constant comparison of red and blue states and counties with an attempt to show blue regions are handling Covid better, and I do not see any difference at all. It is like this Sweden crap. Sweden did good or bad with Covid based on who you compare them to.
Where there is a real discrepancy is in Africa. Look at these numbers in cases per million: 51,000 in South Africa, 57,000 in Libya, and in the most populous country in Africa, Nigeria, 1000 per million. If politics were not dominating Covid, this is the discrepancy that should be studied or maybe not if you are a vaccine manufacturer.
You see this might be one reason as to why: https://i0.wp.com/noqreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Ivermectin-Africa.jpg?ssl=1.
https://stuartbramhall.wordpress.com/2021/09/07/shocking-conclusions-from-africa-study-expose-why-big-pharmas-puppets-are-suppressing-ivermectin-data/
And anybody who writes this about sick people, "the unvaxxed would get put in a gymnasium and given horse dewormer" has got issues.
Most people with Covid do not get put in the hospital (it is now less than 1%) and even then you put these people on oxygen, blood thinners, steroids, and / or Regenron if they qualify and they do well. So why does this guy want unvaxxed sick people to be put in a gym? Because he is a fucking asshole.
Do you know what's even sadder? You, for a few obvious reasons.
1. You are obviously lacking in reading comprehension skills. I've certainly never told anyone to get vaccinated. I've stated, more than once that, in my opinion, it's in most people's best interest to get vaccinated, but whether or not they do doesn't matter to me. I don't believe anyone else who you listed has insisted people get vaccinated. What they and I have stated is that Covid is a serious issue. That's not an extremely radical position. Basically every country, every research organization, every healthcare organization, etc, has stated the same thing. Considering the past 20 months, anyone smarter than a hamster recognizes that Covid is quite likely the most significant event within our lifetimes, no matter how you want to measure it.This true and it's fully appropriate to counter fallacious arguments that attempt to diminish the value of vaccinations and other mitigation efforts.
Paul Kingsnorth.
From his website in the "film" section:
"In this conversation with Unherd, in March 2021, I talk to Freddie Sayers about mythic versus logoic ways of seeing, avoiding culture wars, Bill Gates, conspiracy theories and escaping the Machine."
"An interview from spring 2021 with the 'Techtonic' programme on WFMU radio in New York, about my novel Alexandria, and the onrush of techno-feudalism in our society. We talked about the failed promise of the internet, the coming surveillance civilisation, Jacques Ellul, techno-colonialism, neo-environmentalism and more."
https://www.paulkingsnorth.net/sounds
He's another tin foil hat global conspiracy theory peddler but with a coffee house vibe. And one that can't be bothered with doing a bit of basic data research on Sub-Sarahan Africa and Ireland before rolling out his preset monologue. Those were launching pads, nothing more. Lolol.
Just wear a mask. Get the jab or suffer the consequences. Societies have a right to protect themselves from selfish people. It's nothing so lofty, devious, conspiratorial, or complicated. Pandemics happen, and if history is an indicator this should be temporary.
"A new study from the CDC published Friday finds that people who are vaccinated were far less likely to develop COVID-19 and to be hospitalized or die from the disease.
This last is why it matters to ME if YOU are vaccinated, and why you're a selfish asshole if you're not.Hi Huacho.
As much as you would like to believe it, the data is not on your side. I have always said, and I remain open to persuasion by facts. But currently the evidence rests on the side of the skeptics.
The new CDC study reported in Healthline lacks any multivariable analysis so can be dismissed immediately as inconclusive – no details of timeline of vaccinations, no details on the immune status of the non-vaxd, no age analysis. Look, we all accept that the vax has some efficacy for the first few months. The issue is that it does not do what it was sold to the public to do – it does not provide long term protection. And is it any better than natural immunity? Please come back when you have that evidence.
"Even when fully vaccinated people develop symptoms, they tend to be less severe symptoms than in unvaccinated people. This means they are much less likely to be hospitalized or die than people who are not vaccinated. ".
So why does this bother you? This is just validation that it is indeed a personal choice. Lie cigarettes and alcohol etc, its up to me if I want to take the health risk. It doesn't impact you, so stop concerning yourself about my health.
"We do not have conclusive proof. But more and more studies and real-world evidence points to fully vaccinated people, who are not immunocompromised, are less likely to transmit the virus if they become infected," said Brian Laird, PharmD, manager of Pharmacy Operations at OSF HealthCare Heart of Mary Medical Center in Urbana, Illinois. "The reason why is that vaccinated people have a lower viral load if they get infected," Brian said.
Ok, great. Some guy who works at a pharmacy tells us he has inconclusive proof, so Huacho now thinks I am a selfish arsehole. That says it all really, Huacho. That shows how robust your argument is. What about some real evidence Huacho?
Huacho – do you eat beef, chicken, fish, pork, cheese, milk? Then I think you are a selfish arsehole. Firstly, bcos you do not care about the lives of those unfortunate creatures (the very definition of selfishness), and secondly bcos by eating those animal products, you put yourself and others at greater risk of infection. That IS scientifically proven. So Huacho, tell me honestly, who is the arsehole now?
Mr Enternational
12-10-21, 14:57
Most people with Covid do not get put in the hospital (it is now less than 1%) and even then you put these people on oxygen, blood thinners, steroids, and / or Regenron if they qualify and they do well. So why does this guy want unvaxxed sick people to be put in a gym? Because he is a fucking asshole.I went to the doctor yesterday for a regular checkup and one of the first things she asked was if I had gotten a covid vaccine. I told her no and she asked the reason why not. She said if you ever decide to get one then you can just go to the lobby and sign up. Then it was on to the next thing.
She did not tell me about how the hospitals were overcrowded because of people like me or how I was going to get sick and die (especially having asthma) or how I was going to infect everyone around me. She did not mention Sweeden or what happened to people in Timbuktu. She did not say how many people the Mayo Clinic study said are in ICU from covid in my age range. This is a lady that makes money off of me and she was totally unconcerned. Hell, she did not even have her mask over her nose.
It was the very opposite of a group of strangers that want to quote sources of how this world is doomed if I do not get a shot and are so concerned with my personal health that they stress themselves out wanting to beat some sense into me, jab me with a needle themselves, or wish for the incarceration or death of myself and others like me. Maybe my doctor got her license out of a cereal box and does not know better than all the "experts" in this room and others like it.
Elvis 2008
12-10-21, 15:40
"A new study from the CDC published Friday finds that people who are vaccinated were far less likely to develop COVID-19 and to be hospitalized or die from the disease.
Compared to people who were not vaccinated, people who were vaccinated were five times less likely to develop COVID-19. They were 10 times less likely to be hospitalized and die from the disease.And you believe that? How come if 40% of the world is vaccinated there are double the number of cases in 2021? How come if 60% of the USA is vaccinated we have more cases now than last year? Do you know how easy it is to rig a study like that? Even the guy you quote says, "We do not have conclusive proof." Why not?
This last is why it matters to ME if YOU are vaccinated, and why you're a selfish asshole if you're not.If the vaccine works so damned great and you are vaccinated, why do you care at all? Are you as mad at drunks or fat diabetics? And what variants are we talking about?
Let me give you some data to put your 5 X number in perspective. In Tunisia and South Africa, cases per million are 60,000 and 51,000 per million. Deaths are 2100 and 1500 per million.
Now here are two countries in central Africa, Nigeria and Uganda. Cases per million are 1,000 per million and 2600 per million. Death rates are 14 per million and 68 per million.
Why is there 50 X more cases and 100 X more death in some countries in Africa versus others?
Given you are a Democratic douche, and you have all the answers, it has to be that Nigeria does better with vaccines, social distancing, and mask wearing. What else could it be? You douches know all there is to know about Covid and that is what it has to be.
Here is a novel idea: quit listening to people paid to promote the vaccine. This is from Robert Kennedy's book:
"The CDC is a subsidiary of the pharmaceutical industry. The agency owns more than 20 vaccine patents and purchases and sells $4. 1 billion in vaccines annually. Congressman Dave Weldon has pointed out that the primary metric for success across the CDC is how many vaccines the agency sells and how successfully the agency expands its vaccine program regardless of any negative effects on human health."
40% of Pfizer's revenue has been off of the Covid vaccine and its profit off of it is close to $1 billion. It is amazing how many people are getting rich off a shitty vaccine, a vaccine so bad that it might not even work for the latest variant Omicron.
"A new study from the CDC ... Thanks for the reply. The only research you referenced was a "study" from the CDC. The others were opinions. As for the CDC, that is a political entity of the Federal government. Each president of the US has the option of replacing the CDC director, and Biden exercised that option.
Digging through that CDC study revealed some interesting details. It was compiled using reports from 13 jurisdictions (25% of the US population). Were those cherry-picked reports, or was that all they had? The study doesn't indicate which.
Those reports were from April 4 to July 17.2021. "Case IRRs decreased, suggesting reduced vaccine effectiveness for prevention of SARS-CoV-2 infections." That was in July, so what might be the effectiveness now?
The data is skewed. They classified everyone as vaccinated or unvaccinated. People who were not fully vaccinated were classified as unvaccinated. Why not compare the fully vaccinated to the people with no vaccination, and leave out those who were partially vaccinated?
An interesting footnote in that study indicates that the fully vaccinated who got Covid had a higher percentage of death than those who were unvaccinated and got Covid (1.33% to 1.08%, respectively).
She did not mention Sweeden or what happened to people in Timbuktu. She did not say how many people the Mayo Clinic study said are in ICU from covid in my age range. This is a lady that makes money off of me and she was totally unconcerned. Hell, she did not even have her mask over her nose.
Maybe my doctor got her license out of a cereal box and does not know better than all the "experts" in this room and others like it.I think she is using a fake license MrE. Did you ask to scan it with your QR code reader so that you could verify it was not a fake license that she bought fom the street downtown?
Does anyone here know the history of how Timbuktu came to be the go-to place to use when referencing some place that never matters?
PedroMorales
12-10-21, 19:09
Does anyone here know the history of how Timbuktu came to be the go-to place to use when referencing some place that never matters?Google, the medical source, failed me, so I used BBC https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-17583772.
Sorry for thinking you were the author of that well-written piece. Following your post, I looked him up, listen and learned https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_uAwsVn10Y&ab_channel=UnHerd.
It is good to see the odd Briton can still think for himself and can use "the King's". Badgers here and elsewhere yelping about "the science" remind me of what the late and great Nazi fighter Joachim Piper (played by Robert Shaw in The Battle of the Bulge when he fought the American surrender monkeys) said of the men who fought under him. They only knew rudimentary of Nazi race theory, as most of them had little formal education. But could handle weapons and hated the American scum whose planes were incinerating their families.
It reminds me because the pro Nazi lockdown / apartheid lot are similarly uneducated bozos who don'; t even wash their hands after using the toilet. The difference is the bozos are gutless.
I used BBC https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-17583772.
Sorry for thinking you were the author of that well-written piece. Following your post, I looked him up, listen and learned https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_uAwsVn10Y&ab_channel=UnHerd.
Haha, that's excellent! Thanks for that Pedro. Although I was hoping it might have a more dramatic history. Not blaming you, obviously. Hehe.
Unherd is one of my fave news channels. And Freddie Sayers is a great host. Intelligent and not scared to queston authority. He did a superb investigation a couple of weeks ago when he went to Austria to research what it was like on the streets of Vienna during the new unvaxd lockdown.
"UnHerd aims to do two things: to push back against the herd mentality with new and bold thinking, and to provide a platform for otherwise unheard ideas, people and places".
I recommend it to anyone that seeks to hear alternative yet intelligent opinion.
RamDavidson84
12-10-21, 22:32
I'm beginning to suspect that you've never read a good book. Those were the ramblings of a clueless blogger / conspiracy theorist who was out of court before he got started. Truth was optional. His whole argument centered on Ireland and Sub-Saharan Africa and he misinterprets both. A surge in infections was expected in Ireland as we enter winter. What's telling is that the death totals of the last two months are drastically lower than a similar surge back in January / February. The cases to deaths ratio has greatly diminished which is evidence that the vaccines are working. Improved treatments are also a factor, though not near enough over the last 9 or 10 months to account for the great disparity. In fact their total deaths linear scale has moved only a bit since the summer.
As to Sub-Saharan Africa, that's easy. They have a very young population, median age 16 to 17. We all know the young are less effected by Covid. They also have few if any long term care facilities and limited testing capabilities. None of this applies to South Africa and their stats look very different. Check the data yourself.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/ireland/I found it to be a very interesting read. I also don't respect your tone and it takes away from the point your are trying to make. There's no need to insult someone and laugh at them because they found a short reading interesting. Your reactions seem childish and you should show some more maturity if you are going to debate a serious topic. I have never enjoyed debating with someone who was only interested in winning the debate rather than actually trying to gain a deeper understanding of what is being discussed. Just not my style. You seem hurt more people don't agree with you in the moment so you lash out with insults as a desperate attempt to validate your argument. Most adults don't respect that type of emotional instability, especially on a forum where you have the time to calculate your response.
As for the reading, it stated a lot of things I think many have been feeling, but the media doesn't cover and it was refreshing to read. Obviously there is still a pandemic raging which has killed millions and no one is saying that vaccines are useless or there is some global conspiracy like you are trying to insinuate. I thought the author did an excellent job at illuminating the connections between tech companies, pharmaceutical companies, the media, their profits, and their vaccine stance. I do think to a certain degree the importance of "Free Speech" has been diminished and the reaction to the vaccine and pandemic goes much deeper than many realize or understand to an almost tribal level like the author stated. I found it be intellectually stimulating and of course anyone who is remotely educated realizes the author is exaggerating a bit to entertain the reader. Nothing wrong with that, no one is going to join an anti-vax cult after reading it, so just relax bro. It's all good. Should we bully and insult those who enjoy novels like Animal Farm or 1984 as well? The reactions of people like you are exactly why someone like me appreciates an author like Paul Kingsnorth. As I have stated before, I just feel people are educated enough to make decisions regarding their own health, especially with such an unproven vaccine. I also don't agree with the lockdowns at this point as the vaccine has not done what it was supposed to. If you want to make me out to be an idiot or an evil anti-vaxer, that's your right, but don't expect me or most people with basic common sense to have any respect for your intelligence and maybe even morality.
God bless America! Haha jk.
ScatManDoo
12-11-21, 00:56
The reactions of people like you are exactly why someone like me appreciates an author like Paul Kingsnorth. As I have stated before, I just feel people are educated enough to make decisions regarding their own health, especially with such an unproven vaccine. I also don't agree with the lockdowns at this point as the vaccine has not done what it was supposed to. If you want to make me out to be an idiot or an evil anti-vaxer, that's your rightThank you for your permission.
I found it to be a very interesting read. but don't expect me or most people with basic common sense to have any respect for your intelligence and maybe even morality.
Unfortunately common sense has gone out of the window a long time ago, and the response of P97 is precisely what the essay was talking about! P97 actually did a really good job in demonstrating the issues that he was discussing.
................. There's no need to insult someone and laugh at them because they found a shortreading interesting.........
As for the reading, it stated a lot of things I think many have been feeling, but the media doesn't cover and it was refreshing to read. Obviously there is still a pandemic raging which has killed millions and no one is saying that vaccines are useless or there is some global conspiracy like you are trying to insinuate. ................. The reactions of people like you are exactly why someone like me appreciates an author like Paul Kingsnorth. As I have stated before, I just feel people are educated enough to make decisions regarding their own health, especially with such an unproven vaccine. I also don't agree with the lockdowns at this point as the vaccine has not done what it was supposed to. If you want to make me out to be an idiot or an evil anti-vaxer, that's your right, but don't expect me or most people with basic common sense to have any respect for your intelligence and maybe even morality.
God bless America! Haha jk."Short"? Seriously dude I've read novels that weren't much longer.
"no one is saying that vaccines are useless."
Apparently you only read selectively. Elvis, JustTK, Shoo (t the) Bree (ze) and others are saying exactly that and without even a modicum of serious evidence to support their views.
"or there is some global conspiracy like you are trying to insinuate."
Again the same gabble of conspiracy theorists have been saying exactly that. I'm just not sure right now if their consensus is that it is a political conspiracy, or a Big Pharma conspiracy or Medical Establishment getting paid-off conspiracy.
"I just feel people are educated enough to make decisions regarding their own health."
If the health decision was about whether to get a minor operation (or even a major one) absolutely people should have the right to make that decision for themselves. but when the decision affects the health of many others should Government not step in and make decisions based on best information to protect the citizenry as a whole?
"especially with such an unproven vaccine".
Either you are listening to the masters of make-believe analysis (here in this section) or you haven't been reading anything by the real scientists. No credible source thinks the vaccine is "unproven". Sure there are questions about the length of effectiveness and about whether it remains highly effective against some of the new variants. But "unproven" . Sorry that isn't a rational position anymore.
"I also don't agree with the lockdowns at this point as the vaccine has not done what it was supposed to".
Are you saying that since the vaccine isn't a miracle cure (yet) Governments taking the very unpopular stance of initiating lock-downs is unreasonable? Apparently you think you are either smarter or better informed that politicians in many countries who are receiving the best advice the science community has to offer. What exactly did you think the vaccine was supposed to do, by the way? It seems to dramatically reduce the likelihood that you will contract the CoVid virus in the first place and if you do it is extremely unlikely you will need to be hospitalized or will die from it. I don't know about your expectations but for a first pass (I expect the pharmaceuticlal companies are going to extremes to improve the vaccine and make it effect for longer and against viral mutations) but I think the vaccine is pretty damn good.
"most people with basic common sense".
Most people with basic common sense are taking the vaccine. If you aren't among them, common sense may not be your forte.
"God bless America! Haha jk".
Dear God, you wrote this big ol' article and it wasn't until the very end that you said something that almost all of us agree with. Except for a few of the Euro-fanatics.
Regarding cold weather Covid surges, data trumps such and YouTube conspiracy theorists every time. Don't be a sucker. Here's an interesting comparison of Euro countries. First we have Russia, the Ukraine, and Romania where ant-vaccine propaganda has been prevalent. Vaccination rates are low, 43,27, and 39 percent respectively. All three countries have had recent spikes in cases with high body counts to match. Then there's Germany and Ireland, both with high vaccination rates but drastically lower case to death ratios than they experienced in earlier spikes prior to vaccine distribution. I'll even add France for good measure as it demonstrates the same point.
Add to all of this the fact that in the range of 75 to 80 percent of Covid hospital deaths in the US involve the unvaccinated, and that many deaths of the vaccinated recently have been of those who were long beyond their second shot, and that's about all a reasonable person needs to conclude that vaccines are worthwhile and useful. Not to mention that they are recommended by virtually every contagious disease specialist on the planet.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/russia/
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/ukraine/
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/romania/
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/ireland/
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/france/
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/
P.S. As to your freedoms, "no shirt no shoes no service," so now it's wear as mask as requested. Respect the rights of business owners to do business with whom they please. As to the government, forced quarantines of the TB infected were upheld by the SCOTUS. Nations can protect themselves from inconsiderate people until the pandemic ends. The whiners are way outnumbered, so best bet is the accept the circumstances and ride this out with the rest of us.
Dropping the mike. It's vacation time. .
RamDavidson84
12-11-21, 05:07
"Short"? Seriously dude I've read novels that weren't much longer.
"no one is saying that vaccines are useless."
Apparently you only read selectively. Elvis, JustTK, Shoo (t the) Bree (ze) and others are saying exactly that and without even a modicum of serious evidence to support their views.
"or there is some global conspiracy like you are trying to insinuate."
Again the same gabble of conspiracy theorists have been saying exactly that. I'm just not sure right now if their consensus is that it is a political conspiracy, or a Big Pharma conspiracy or Medical Establishment getting paid-off conspiracy.
"I just feel people are educated enough to make decisions regarding their own health."
If the health decision was about whether to get a minor operation (or even a major one) absolutely people should have the right to make that decision for themselves. but when the decision affects the health of many others should Government not step in and make decisions based on best information to protect the citizenry as a whole?
"especially with such an unproven vaccine".
Either you are listening to the masters of make-believe analysis (here in this section) or you haven't been reading anything by the real scientists. No credible source thinks the vaccine is "unproven". Sure there are questions about the length of effectiveness and about whether it remains highly effective against some of the new variants. But "unproven." Sorry that isn't a rational position anymore.
"I also don't agree with the lockdowns at this point as the vaccine has not done what it was supposed to".
Are you saying that since the vaccine isn't a miracle cure (yet) Governments taking the very unpopular stance of initiating lock-downs is unreasonable? Apparently you think you are either smarter or better informed that politicians in many countries who are receiving the best advice the science community has to offer. What exactly did you think the vaccine was supposed to do, by the way? It seems to dramatically reduce the likelihood that you will contract the CoVid virus in the first place and if you do it is extremely unlikely you will need to be hospitalized or will die from it. I don't know about your expectations but for a first pass (I expect the pharmaceuticlal companies are going to extremes to improve the vaccine and make it effect for longer and against viral mutations) but I think the vaccine is pretty damn good.
"most people with basic common sense."
Most people with basic common sense are taking the vaccine. If you aren't among them, common sense may not be your forte.
"God bless America! Haha jk."
Dear God, you wrote this big ol' article and it wasn't until the very end that you said something that almost all of us agree with. Except for a few of the Euro-fanatics.You have made completely false assumptions to my entire post and point of view regarding this topic. It makes you look a little delusional how you came to the conclusions that you did from "my posts". I think your reading what other people wrote and attributing their views as mine, which they aren't.
I am very confused as to how the posts of other members had anything to do with my post and my opinion on the essay by Paul Kingsnorth. I have stated before that I am fully vaccinated and I think its the smart thing to do and I just can't understand how from my post you came to the conclusion that I think vaccines are useless or you would associate my post with people who posted vaccines are useless. Again it seems like your a borderline troll with that statement. The covid vaccine is priceless and has saved millions of lives. That being said, I still don't think it should be mandatory outside of Public Employment and you can read my earlier posts if you want more of my opinion on it.
Again, I am extremely confused how you are trying to pick my post apart and make it look like I support some diabolical global covid conspiracy theory when I clearly stated the opposite in my post. I do think there is a strong economic correlation between Pharma companies, tech industry, liberal politics, and their stance regarding the covid vaccine. That doesn't mean I believe there is a group of evil scientists trying to take over the world with a vaccine that is going to brainwash us. Again, relax bro.
Yes. The vaccine is unproven! This is a new technology and we have never approved a vaccine anywhere near this fast. It will be years before we truly know how effective it was and also very importantly if there are any long term side effects from the vaccine. It could be a decade or more before we know all this information, so therefore the vaccine is unproven. Yes it is most likely very safe, and it probably greatly reduces your chance at being infected with serious disease from covid. But it is still unproven and because of that fact, I think people should be able to decide for themselves what to do with their health.
I am absolutely saying that Governments are totally unreasonable at this point to lockdown. No I don't think I am smarter or more informed that anyone else, but I have the right to an opinion and the right to express it, so I will based off my life experiences. The vaccine was suppose to achieve heard immunity and reduce the chance of serious infection by 95%. It did nether. The vaccine did not achieve heard immunity and I believe at this point, even if we vaccinated 100% of the population, due to the false effectiveness of the vaccine and viral mutation, we would still have significant community spread from covid. How did professional virologists not anticipate the virus would mutate and render the vaccines not as effective? The "experts" should have taken that into consideration and educated the public on it at the start of the pandemic for us to make the best possible decision as to what we will do with "our" lives and societies. I believe lockdowns absolutely do more damage to society that the actual virus. In a lockdown; Crime, Suicide, Mental Illness, Lack of Education and Socialization for Children will all plague society far worse than the actual virus, and that is a best case scenario. Worst case scenario is a violent uprising of a large percentage of society who have been economically and socially destroyed from a total lockdown. Are you saying you think we should return to total lockdowns? I strongly disagree with you if that is your stance.
My friend, it seems you are the one who lacks "common sense". Read my earlier posts, I have stated so many times I think people should take the vaccine and I am fully vaccinated. Your reading comprehension skills are horrible because some how you came to the conclusion that I am telling people not to take the vaccine. When did I or the article by Kingsworth ever state such non-sense? Seriously how did you come up with that garbage and associate it with me? Like I said earlier, you seem kinda delusional bro. You are putting so many false words in my mouth to try and argue a point I never agreed with just to start an argument. Again I was arguing that "PRIVATE CITIZENS OUTSIDE PUBLIC SERVICE SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE FOR THEMSELVES IF THEY WANT TO TAKE THE VACCINE". I never said people should not take the vaccine bro.
All that being said, I understand your reasoning for mandatory vaccines. I get it, there is a possibility that by not getting the vaccine you could spread the virus which could potentially infect and kill an innocent person. That is an incredibly noble and valid argument to make. I would never vilify an individual for advocating such a policy.
This is a poor argument to make on my part, but this is some of my reasoning for why I don't think the vaccine should be mandatory. Pandemics are forces of nature, its like trying to stop a hurricane, you can't, all you can do at some point is take the best measures possible and pray for the best. I think if we made all vaccines mandatory, the loss of freedom would not justify the security it is trying to promise. I think many people would still get infected and die because the vaccines are not as effective as they were promised. The loss of personal freedom would erode society to the point that it would do more damage than the few lives spared from mandatory vaccinations. And again it is a horrible thing to say, but these spared lives would be the lives of people who are going to pass away relatively soon anyway. I believe when your run is over, taking one for the team is a noble deed. I have no problem dying for the freedom which has contributed so much to western civilization and societies all around the world. And just look at any genocide from history if you don't think freedom is worth fighting / dying for.
Villainy, sorry if I sound like a jerk, appreciate you didn't resort to name calling and once again God Bless America haha.
RamDavidson84
12-11-21, 05:23
Regarding cold weather Covid surges, data trumps such and YouTube conspiracy theorists every time. Don't be a sucker. Here's an interesting comparison of Euro countries. First we have Russia, the Ukraine, and Romania where ant-vaccine propaganda has been prevalent. Vaccination rates are low, 43,27, and 39 percent respectively. All three countries have had recent spikes in cases with high body counts to match. Then there's Germany and Ireland, both with high vaccination rates but drastically lower case to death ratios than they experienced in earlier spikes prior to vaccine distribution. I'll even add France for good measure as it demonstrates the same point.
Add to all of this the fact that in the range of 75 to 80 percent of Covid hospital deaths in the US involve the unvaccinated, and that many deaths of the vaccinated recently have been of those who were long beyond their second shot, and that's about all a reasonable person needs to conclude that vaccines are worthwhile and useful. Not to mention that they are recommended by virtually every contagious disease specialist on the planet.I would be much more interested in seeing the actual anti-vaccination propaganda statistics / campaigns in Russia, Romania and Ukraine.
RamDavidson84
12-11-21, 05:55
Thank you for your permission.I am being trolled by a dude who likes to sexually gratify himself with human feces so much that he actually created an online alias about it. Right now I am questioning all my life choices as to how I ended up in a forum being criticized by this fucking dude. A guy who wants to use people's shit to get himself off and lord only knows do what else with people's shit hahahaha. This guy has no fucking shame either, dude straight up makes his forum name Scatman hahahahahaha. That's some funny fucking shit, pun intended LOL. I am taking a picture of this post and sending it out to my friends in a group chat, hahaha thank you for existing Scatman.
Elvis 2008
12-11-21, 06:23
P.S. As to your freedoms, "no shirt no shoes no service," so now it's wear as mask as requested. Respect the rights of business owners to do business with whom they please. As to the government, forced quarantines of the TB infected were upheld by the SCOTUS. Nations can protect themselves from inconsiderate people until the pandemic ends. The whiners are way outnumbered, so best bet is the accept the circumstances and ride this out with the rest of us.
Dropping the mike. It's vacation time..TB is very contagious and kills millions per year. The Covid vaccine does not prevent transmission.
I do not think anyone here has said that the vaccine does not prevent hospitalization and death. What has been said is more vaccination is not going to lead to an end to the pandemic and that forcing people to get the vaccine, when it does not prevent transmission, is barbaric. All you keep saying is the vaccine has no risk and is all benefit. That is complete nonsense. The vaccine has horrible side effects and given that there is a risk and benefit, it should be up to the individual not you Democrats to decide if people want it or not.
I had looked at this from the wrong angle using logic. This is the usual BS I get from the NY Times, "In Republican-leaning communities, the biggest Covid problem remains a widespread refusal to take the pandemic seriously. About 40 percent of Republican adults have not received a vaccine shot, according to the most recent Kaiser Family Foundation poll. As a result, the Covid death rate is far higher in heavily Republican counties than in Democratic ones."
I was like "what is the point?" Fauci said we would get to herd immunity if we were 70% vaccinated and then 85%. We now know from Gibraltar and Ireland that even if you go to 90+% that is not true. There is no herd immunity and therefore no end to the pandemic. We can run around scared or accept that we have to live with it.
But that is not what the Democrats have been saying the whole time. Guys like Paulie, Villany, PVMonger and all the Democrats have been saying nonstop that if we just listened to the "scientists" everything would be fine. Well, the vaccines being 95% effective was pure bull, and herd immunity is too. The "scientists" record is abysmal, and the question now is are they serving us or themselves.
The Democrats ran on the pandemic. Biden said that no president should be in power with the number of people who died with Covid under Trump. At the time, that number was 220,000. By Biden's own definition, he is a failure.
So the point of this is not a debate about the vaccine. That is a red herring. It is the Democrats complete failure on the pandemic. Instead of owning that they were wrong, they are pointing their fingers at Republicans and saying "Everything would be fine if not for you guys. " I was wrong to mentally challenge them. I should have been laughing and said "Really? That is the best you got? The worldwide pandemic continuing on is the fault of Republicans?
We should not take these guys seriously at all. They know they are wrong and just hoping to distract enough people from the truth. With the pandemic, the Democratic leadership has done nothing to prove they have been better when Trump was president. Absolutely nothing.
"Short"? Seriously dude I've read novels that weren't much longer.
"no one is saying that vaccines are useless."
Apparently you only read selectively. Elvis, JustTK, Shoo (t the) Bree (ze) and others are saying exactly that and without even a modicum of serious evidence to support their views.
"or there is some global conspiracy like you are trying to insinuate."
Again the same gabble of conspiracy theorists have been saying exactly that. I'm just not sure right now if their consensus is that it is a political conspiracy, or a Big Pharma conspiracy or Medical Establishment getting paid-off conspiracy.
"I just feel people are educated enough to make decisions regarding their own health."
If the health decision was about whether to get a minor operation (or even a major one) absolutely people should have the right to make that decision for themselves. but when the decision affects the health of many others should Government not step in and make decisions based on best information to protect the citizenry as a whole?..Amen brother. Amen. The anti-vaxxers are too brain-dead to understand.
They are also the first people who would beat a shirtless / shoeless person to death for disrespecting a "No shirt. No shoes. No service. " sign but somehow don't see the parallel to disrespecting a "Masks required for entry" sign.
Huacho do you eat beef, chicken, fish, pork, cheese, milk? Then I think you are a selfish arsehole. Firstly, bcos you do not care about the lives of those unfortunate creatures (the very definition of selfishness), and secondly bcos by eating those animal products, you put yourself and others at greater risk of infection. That IS scientifically proven. So Huacho, tell me honestly, who is the arsehole now?First of all, I have been vegan for over twenty years. It doesn't protect you from viruses. Second of all, you exhibit all symptoms of those proposing failing arguments, most notably introducing arguments about veganism to support your stance on COVID, which, again also being vegan, I can assure you is absolutely unrelated.
The vaccine has horrible side effectsEvidence? I make it a point to talk to all vaccinated people about their experiences and as I said previously, hundreds and hundreds of people I've talked to and none report 'horrible side effects.' So again I postulate that many anti-vaxxers are just plain pussies who are scared of needles.
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